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| 00:00.04 | chloe | I asked in GIMP, no help. I searched google throughly with multiple queries |
| 00:00.05 | digitalirony | alternatively, you could try using another user |
| 00:00.13 | chloe | err, I asked in #gimp, no help |
| 00:00.31 | digitalirony | yeah, I was gonna suggest #gimp |
| 00:00.43 | digitalirony | chloe: your best bet is to just hang out there and be patient |
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| 00:00.44 | harrison | chloe i had to do something similar and i can confirm that it is tricky |
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| 00:01.15 | moof2 | chloe, I dunno, maybe you would need to make a scheme function to set transparency of all selection to N |
| 00:01.29 | digitalirony | chloe: what if you do a 'select all, create layer from selection. add alpha to layer' |
| 00:01.33 | box_elder | oh, right .. Debian is also a Desktop OS .. heh … <inches towards door> |
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| 00:01.42 | harrison | i THINK what i did involved using one of the brushes and the erase tool and a tool transparency setting |
| 00:01.55 | chloe | how do I create a layer from the selection? |
| 00:02.02 | digitalirony | chloe: I don't remember |
| 00:02.04 | digitalirony | but there is a way |
| 00:02.13 | digitalirony | try right click? |
| 00:02.23 | digitalirony | somewhere in that context menu you can |
| 00:02.50 | digitalirony | chloe: easy way would be screenshot.... |
| 00:02.52 | digitalirony | heh |
| 00:03.01 | digitalirony | just screenshot that shit, and paste it back in |
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| 00:03.45 | chloe | what I'm trying to do is paste a similar shaped object over an existing one, and have the previous object seen through this next object |
| 00:04.07 | digitalirony | open each object in two different canvas |
| 00:04.15 | digitalirony | screenshot the on you want transparent |
| 00:04.24 | digitalirony | paste it into the other one |
| 00:04.30 | digitalirony | and set the layer to have an alpha |
| 00:04.37 | digitalirony | prolly not the best way |
| 00:04.39 | digitalirony | but I bet it works |
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| 00:06.16 | chloe | yeah |
| 00:06.50 | chloe | I can do waht you said on another image, when I pasted clipboard contents as new image |
| 00:06.57 | chloe | But I can't make it translucent to the background |
| 00:07.30 | digitalirony | sorry, I can't help anymore than that :/ |
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| 00:07.35 | digitalirony | im no graphics artist |
| 00:07.38 | elisa87 | I don't know how to fix this: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 00:07.58 | digitalirony | is there more to it |
| 00:09.19 | digitalirony | elisa87: can you paste the ouput of the 'locale' command in pastbin |
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| 00:10.13 | elisa87 | digitalirony: http://pastebin.com/wqVjaNMM |
| 00:10.31 | digitalirony | hrmm |
| 00:10.36 | digitalirony | I think thats your problem |
| 00:10.58 | digitalirony | http://pastebin.com/96BXHrh2 |
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| 00:11.35 | digitalirony | not really sure what would set it all to POSIX like that...maybe its supposed to be that way for some reason that I don't know? but |
| 00:11.45 | digitalirony | what I pasted there is what I see most in the US |
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| 00:13.28 | elisa87 | digitalirony: http://pastebin.com/BDiA1HzN |
| 00:13.29 | digitalirony | elisa87: is it only like that as your root user? |
| 00:13.31 | digitalirony | or as all users |
| 00:14.05 | elisa87 | digitalirony: do you mean that I should your settings? |
| 00:14.21 | digitalirony | elisa87: do you use english and US? |
| 00:14.27 | elisa87 | I am the only user |
| 00:14.32 | digitalirony | its an environment setting |
| 00:14.41 | digitalirony | elisa87: yes, but you only use the root user? |
| 00:14.44 | elisa87 | I am in US and use english digitalirony |
| 00:14.45 | digitalirony | you don't have a non root user? |
| 00:15.05 | robert__ | I am using debian / wheezy / stable. I am trying to figure out why vhost is not being added to the command line. It looks like the system is set up for vhost since /dev/vhost-net exists. I am using virsh start IMAGE_NAME. |
| 00:15.17 | robert__ | Q1: I don't have to do anything to the xml config file, right? Q2: qemu-system-x86_64 -device virtio-net-pci,? looks right http://pastebin.com/VJp9d8Dp |
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| 00:15.20 | fongseiyuc | HI |
| 00:15.30 | digitalirony | oh elisa87 I see |
| 00:15.33 | digitalirony | you have a dep problem |
| 00:15.41 | elisa87 | digitalirony: I did it with sudo http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743564/ |
| 00:15.42 | digitalirony | did you do a distupgrade or something like that> |
| 00:15.44 | digitalirony | ? |
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| 00:16.02 | elisa87 | I did upgrade not a disupgrade digitalirony |
| 00:16.14 | elisa87 | anyway is there any solution? digitalirony |
| 00:16.27 | digitalirony | did you reboot after doing the upgrade? |
| 00:16.49 | digitalirony | elisa87: there is always a solution |
| 00:16.53 | fongseiyuc | i have a SanDisk Ultra SDHC i Card. 8GB 30MB/s ... unfortunately i cannot not see it in fdisk -l or ls -l /dev/sd* |
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| 00:17.39 | elisa87 | I hope so ...I couldn't find sth so far in google digitalirony |
| 00:17.41 | digitalirony | elisa87: do you see that block there that says dpk: dependency problems |
| 00:17.53 | digitalirony | thats the issue |
| 00:18.08 | digitalirony | its because your repositories only provide locales version 2.13 |
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| 00:18.41 | digitalirony | and you have libc6 2.17 |
| 00:19.09 | digitalirony | and if you install locales that is less version thatn 2.17, with libc6 2.17, it breaks locales |
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| 00:19.33 | digitalirony | it looks as if you might be using 3rd party debian repos? |
| 00:19.48 | elisa87 | so I should upgrade libc6 version? digitalirony |
| 00:19.49 | elisa87 | ' |
| 00:19.52 | digitalirony | no |
| 00:19.59 | digitalirony | you have to install locales 2.17+ |
| 00:20.06 | digitalirony | but apt get only has 2.13 available |
| 00:20.20 | digitalirony | so, you will either have to install it from a '3rd party' package with a later version |
| 00:20.29 | digitalirony | or figure out what is wrong with your repos |
| 00:21.10 | elisa87 | which version should I install? >2.17 digitalirony |
| 00:21.33 | digitalirony | well, thats up to you really....I don't really know anything else about your environment |
| 00:21.41 | digitalirony | what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:21.45 | moof2 | elisa87, if your debian is a mixture, it requires extra effort to support it |
| 00:21.47 | digitalirony | what apt repos are you using |
| 00:21.56 | elisa87 | ubuntu 12.04 is this OK? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/libc6/2.17-0ubuntu4 digitalirony |
| 00:22.02 | moof2 | (by anyone, including yourself) |
| 00:22.05 | digitalirony | .... |
| 00:22.09 | digitalirony | thats probably your issue |
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| 00:22.21 | digitalirony | thats an ubuntu package |
| 00:22.23 | digitalirony | not debian |
| 00:22.23 | elisa87 | digitalirony: what apt repos are you using (I don't know! I am a novice user) |
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| 00:22.36 | digitalirony | ubuntu tends to have 'newer' packages than some versions of debian |
| 00:22.39 | elisa87 | but I have a ubuntu12.04 |
| 00:22.45 | digitalirony | elisa87: what does 'cat /etc/issues' report? |
| 00:23.06 | elisa87 | digitalirony: cat: /etc/issues: No such file or directory |
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| 00:23.12 | digitalirony | err |
| 00:23.16 | moof2 | no s at end |
| 00:23.18 | digitalirony | elisa87: what does 'cat /etc/issue' report? |
| 00:23.20 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 00:23.21 | digitalirony | heh |
| 00:23.55 | elisa87 | digitalirony: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743590/ |
| 00:24.10 | digitalirony | uhhh |
| 00:24.17 | digitalirony | thats dmesg |
| 00:24.22 | digitalirony | do 'cat /etc/issue' |
| 00:24.28 | digitalirony | I said issues earlier |
| 00:24.29 | elisa87 | digitalirony: cat /etc/issue...Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l |
| 00:24.30 | digitalirony | I was wrong |
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| 00:24.37 | digitalirony | yeah, thats not ubuntu |
| 00:24.41 | digitalirony | I have a fear you have fuxed up |
| 00:24.49 | moof2 | see if this works: apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 00:24.52 | elisa87 | I know but I was creating disk message I had many issues shown in dmesg ... |
| 00:25.55 | elisa87 | moof2: digitalirony http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743593/ |
| 00:26.01 | digitalirony | I think what you have done is installed a bunch of ubuntu stuff on debian :/ |
| 00:26.46 | digitalirony | elisa87: do what it says |
| 00:26.51 | digitalirony | 'apt-get -f install' |
| 00:27.00 | moof2 | one sec |
| 00:27.00 | digitalirony | but its going to break heh |
| 00:27.05 | digitalirony | oh I see that you did |
| 00:27.16 | moof2 | howbout first, we see her sources.list |
| 00:27.22 | digitalirony | slidesinger: pastbing your sources.list |
| 00:27.22 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 00:27.27 | digitalirony | I think you have mixed repos :/ |
| 00:27.53 | moof2 | and, let's check in with you, do you want debian? ubuntu? |
| 00:27.57 | digitalirony | err elisa87 not slidesinger |
| 00:29.08 | moof2 | elisa87, can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.ubuntu.com? |
| 00:29.16 | elisa87 | digitalirony: moof2 isn't here ? vi /ect/apt/sources.list nothing shows up :| |
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| 00:30.13 | honkeymagoo | Do you have root permission |
| 00:30.16 | moof2 | no such file? or file exists and is empty? |
| 00:30.29 | elisa87 | digitalirony: moof2 my mistake it's here http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743602/ |
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| 00:30.51 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.07 | honkeymagoo | Holy crap that's crazy |
| 00:31.14 | digitalirony | I tabbed wrong elisa87 |
| 00:31.47 | moof2 | you have combined debian unstable with ubuntu in your sources.list |
| 00:31.48 | elisa87 | digitalirony: what are you trying to find in sources.list? |
| 00:31.53 | digitalirony | oh shit elisa87 thats what you did |
| 00:31.54 | digitalirony | heh |
| 00:32.15 | elisa87 | Can you explain a little more? thanks :) moof2 digitalirony |
| 00:32.15 | digitalirony | you have ubuntu repos in your debian box |
| 00:32.24 | digitalirony | more or less |
| 00:32.26 | digitalirony | you are hosed |
| 00:32.30 | digitalirony | you COULD fix this |
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| 00:32.39 | digitalirony | but I fear you don't know enough to do it no offense |
| 00:32.46 | digitalirony | and I don't have the energy or time to fix that |
| 00:32.50 | moof2 | it's pretty simple, you combined two WIDELY incompatible distributions |
| 00:32.51 | digitalirony | you need to re-install |
| 00:32.57 | moof2 | agreed, |
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| 00:33.14 | digitalirony | elisa87: next time, just DO NOT touch sources.list |
| 00:33.15 | digitalirony | ever |
| 00:33.22 | moof2 | well... |
| 00:33.34 | digitalirony | till you know what it does |
| 00:33.36 | moof2 | that suggests we don't trust her |
| 00:33.37 | digitalirony | lol |
| 00:33.39 | digitalirony | well |
| 00:33.45 | digitalirony | its not that I don't trust you |
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| 00:33.48 | honkeymagoo | You can't fix the sources.list then aot-get dist upgrade? |
| 00:33.50 | digitalirony | I just don't trust what you might read |
| 00:33.54 | moof2 | no |
| 00:33.57 | digitalirony | honkeymagoo: no |
| 00:33.58 | digitalirony | anyway |
| 00:34.00 | digitalirony | im going home |
| 00:34.01 | digitalirony | later guys |
| 00:34.21 | moof2 | honkeymagoo, well we don't nkow for sure, but it's really likely she's hosed |
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| 00:34.31 | elisa87 | oh don't leave me alone with my darned ...system |
| 00:35.00 | elisa87 | I remember I added this line for a few packages I had to install last week deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
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| 00:35.19 | dvs | elisa87: There's no recovering from what you did. Reinstall is the best option. |
| 00:35.22 | moof2 | for my case, can't help that... I'm pretty hungry... what you need to do first, is decide: what dist do you want to run? then install the latest stable version of that |
| 00:35.27 | honkeymagoo | Does she have Ubuntu packages installed? |
| 00:35.39 | moof2 | don't know |
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| 00:35.52 | dvs | honkeymagoo: elisa87 has a Ubuntu system with Debian packages. |
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| 00:36.20 | honkeymagoo | ... Why? |
| 00:36.23 | moof2 | btw, that pastebin (like pastebin.com) makes my browser scroll intensely slowly... seconds between click and response |
| 00:36.24 | roshan | Good morning. How do we remove root account from Wheezy. I haven't provided the root password while installing, but it still asks me when I run commands. When I enter my password, it says invalid password. |
| 00:36.53 | elisa87 | dvs what should I re-install? |
| 00:36.55 | moof2 | roshan, first, that's crazy... and incredibly not recommended |
| 00:37.15 | dvs | elisa87: Either Debian or Ubuntu but not both. |
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| 00:37.30 | fongseiyuc | roshan, maybe just press ENTER instead of any Password |
| 00:37.38 | moof2 | elisa87. entire operating system. you may wish to save everything in /home |
| 00:37.44 | roshan | Thanks moof2, but i was just learning |
| 00:37.47 | elisa87 | dvs! is it that serious? I have a ton of packages on my system and a lot of simulators installed |
| 00:37.55 | fongseiyuc | then # passwd to change/assign passwd for root |
| 00:38.39 | roshan | yeah, I know that, passwd... but, my intention is like the setting in mint or ubuntu, where there is no root |
| 00:38.46 | moof2 | roshan, is it that you actually want to remove the whole root account, or just set its password? |
| 00:39.23 | fongseiyuc | roshan, like 'sudo' ? |
| 00:39.25 | honkeymagoo | Elisa87: how did this happen |
| 00:39.37 | dvs | elisa87: Yes, there's no telling what other packages were upgraded when those packages from sid were installed. |
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| 00:39.53 | roshan | moof2, actually, i don't know how it is in like other distros. If removing root makes my installation to malfunction, I wont do that. |
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| 00:39.53 | dvs | like locales |
| 00:39.57 | fongseiyuc | roshan, man sudo or apt-cache show sudo |
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| 00:40.13 | roshan | yeah, I use sudo |
| 00:40.15 | moof2 | roshan, ok, thanks for clarifying that |
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| 00:40.28 | roshan | But, once or twice, it asks to enter root password. |
| 00:40.31 | elisa87 | I wanted to install libvirt-bin but I was unsuccessful! I don't know why it doesn't get installed! |
| 00:40.57 | roshan | fongseiyuc |
| 00:41.04 | roshan | Thank you for that |
| 00:41.31 | honkeymagoo | Elisa87: how arr you running both debian and Ubuntu? |
| 00:41.47 | ImaLamer | witchcraft |
| 00:41.55 | dvs | heh |
| 00:42.01 | honkeymagoo | Haha |
| 00:42.10 | elisa87 | honkeymagoo: I don't know what you exactly mean! I just have Ubuntu 12.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743629/ |
| 00:42.59 | moof2 | elisa87, maybe your -linux- and many operating system commands work, and, your package database is hopelessly confused, the effect being, you no longer have "debian" or "ubuntu" either. |
| 00:43.26 | roshan | I would like to know, is there any difference between the root user and the way we install or use sudo ? I know that, it is just an elevated privilege. Will it be safe to set the privileges given for root to my <username> and delete <root> from passwd and shadow files? |
| 00:43.30 | elisa87 | moof2: how it has happened!? |
| 00:43.47 | elisa87 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743629/ moof2 can you see this? |
| 00:43.53 | moof2 | can't say with any certainty or precision |
| 00:44.16 | roshan | So, it is a trial and error method. |
| 00:44.17 | moof2 | would you mind repasting on gist.github.com? |
| 00:44.29 | roshan | sure |
| 00:44.48 | moof2 | roshan, my response is in answer to the question "what happened" |
| 00:44.48 | honkeymagoo | Elisa87: but your sources.list showed both Ubuntu and debian repos? |
| 00:45.15 | roshan | sorry |
| 00:45.17 | roshan | my bad |
| 00:45.40 | dvs | elisa87: libvirt-bin is asking for locales 2.17-5 which is in Debian sid. |
| 00:45.43 | moof2 | no problem... and, gist.github.com doesn't slow my browser down :) |
| 00:46.31 | elisa87 | dvs so I should install locales 2.17-5 from debian sid? |
| 00:46.48 | fongseiyuc | roshan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superuser |
| 00:47.11 | dvs | elisa87: If you do, then it'll ask for more and more packages from Debian worsening your problem. |
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| 00:49.14 | roshan | Thanks fongseiyuc. can you tell me, will the way i mentiond above work? |
| 00:50.00 | roshan | I know the superuser account, but many i distros dont have it, or is disabled |
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| 00:50.40 | fongseiyuc | roshan, i don't know of any |
| 00:50.55 | fongseiyuc | roshan, which distros ? |
| 00:51.10 | roshan | ubunt / mint/ even fedora |
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| 00:51.36 | fongseiyuc | roshan, they don't have root ? |
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| 00:52.15 | fongseiyuc | roshan, what if you were to type sudo su in ubut. for example, then type passwd |
| 00:52.20 | roshan | I don't know that, but,, when we use sudo with any command, and give our password, it works. |
| 00:52.30 | fongseiyuc | would you change the root password then or the users ? |
| 00:52.39 | roshan | but in Debian, u know, we require admin paassword for many operations |
| 00:53.07 | roshan | We dont actually set a root password in ubuntu while installing |
| 00:53.21 | fongseiyuc | roshan, i don't know |
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| 00:53.49 | fongseiyuc | roshan, maybe if you do expert install, if that exists (shrug) |
| 00:54.35 | roshan | Can i tell you something pretty interesting that happened to me? i instaled wheezy from a netinstall iso, stripped off many setting, no graphical desktop, and even "DISABLED ROOT" in expert install...but still when i login, they sometimes ask for root passwrd |
| 00:55.25 | moof2 | and when you give the root password, it works? |
| 00:55.38 | fongseiyuc | and, what was it ? |
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| 00:55.55 | fongseiyuc | ENTER you're root ? |
| 00:57.24 | moof2 | just so you know, I am -not- curious about what any of your passwords are |
| 00:57.34 | fongseiyuc | :-) |
| 00:57.42 | roshan | fongseiyuc moof2 : i haven't set a passwrd for root, so how do I enter that, when i give my passwrd, it says invalid.... |
| 00:58.09 | roshan | my passwrd is so simple, 1-to-6 |
| 00:58.32 | fongseiyuc | roshan, i thought you didnt set a passwd |
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| 00:59.06 | roshan | i havnt set a password for root in expert mode, but have set a pasword for my username |
| 00:59.22 | fongseiyuc | roshan, then do $ su |
| 00:59.36 | fongseiyuc | then press ENTER and see what happends |
| 00:59.52 | moof2 | ahh, so something is asking and since you haven't set one, it has nothing to compare against, even if it did ask |
| 00:59.56 | fongseiyuc | if it works, do # passwd |
| 00:59.58 | fongseiyuc | set passwd |
| 01:00.04 | fongseiyuc | if it doesnt work |
| 01:00.06 | fongseiyuc | reinstall |
| 01:00.12 | moof2 | or rescue |
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| 01:00.53 | roshan | 1 min... |
| 01:01.03 | roshan | let me try that fongseiyuc |
| 01:01.30 | roshan | su : authentication failure |
| 01:01.41 | moof2 | howbout this: sudo bash |
| 01:01.48 | moof2 | then enter your non-root passwd |
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| 01:02.38 | moof2 | and as a matter of basic security... never ever give out any of your passwords, here or anywhere |
| 01:02.44 | roshan | now, it is root |
| 01:02.47 | roshan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.56 | fongseiyuc | coool |
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| 01:03.06 | moof2 | great... so you don't have to reinstall anything if you don't want to |
| 01:03.27 | fongseiyuc | leard something this evening |
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| 01:03.37 | roshan | but, my original question stands. how do i give the privileges given to root to my username |
| 01:03.44 | moof2 | and, where you typed sudo bash, hit ctrl d (shouldn't stay logged in there) |
| 01:03.59 | roshan | fongseiyuc: i learned something this early moring. |
| 01:04.16 | roshan | its 6.30 am here |
| 01:04.19 | fongseiyuc | true .. its early morning here too :-) |
| 01:04.30 | elisa87 | Is there really no tricky way for solving this problem? The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6 : Breaks: locales (< 2.17) |
| 01:05.18 | roshan | moof2 : is it like, i am giving my <username> the capability to access root account with sudo bash ? |
| 01:05.19 | moof2 | roshan, you can probably do that... and... not recommended, for security reasons having to do with your skill with shell commands and the various gotchas |
| 01:05.28 | roshan | ok |
| 01:05.42 | moof2 | no, it's temporary (as it should be) |
| 01:06.05 | roshan | ok |
| 01:06.41 | fongseiyuc | moof2, i feel like getting rid of sudo now |
| 01:06.56 | roshan | Thanks moof2 and fongseiyuc . I never thought I could understand something at thi time, as its early...but, you people helpd. |
| 01:06.57 | moof2 | that's up to you |
| 01:07.30 | moof2 | I think in this case having you try to understand this stuff was necessary |
| 01:07.33 | ImaLamer | how do i hide joins/parts in irssi again? |
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| 01:08.36 | fongseiyuc | jepp |
| 01:08.48 | moof2 | it's important when trying to explain that stuff, the explainer take full responsibility for both sides of the conversation |
| 01:09.17 | roshan | Off-topic :- will the future Debian released have the same gnome 3 ? |
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| 01:10.13 | ImaLamer | roshan: post-wheezy? |
| 01:10.15 | moof2 | dunno :) |
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| 01:10.29 | ImaLamer | roshan: that's really hard to answer, will there be a replacement? |
| 01:10.34 | moof2 | depends on what's available and tested by debian developers at the time |
| 01:10.36 | roshan | ok, so that is the irc channel for that |
| 01:11.00 | roshan | gnome 2 was better in terms of ease of u. |
| 01:11.16 | moof2 | went to u of ease |
| 01:11.24 | nvz | idk but this is annoying, I did an upgrade after wheezy went stable (been running it for awhile) and now videos don't thumbnail in nautilus anymore.. I tried rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia, tried service restart lightdm, rebooted, rm -rf ~/.thumbnails .. |
| 01:11.28 | ImaLamer | well it could be gnome 3.9 or gnome 4 or 5 depending on when that all happens |
| 01:11.54 | elisa87 | moof2: so you said I should re-install mu Ubuntu! how can I do it without removing the simulators I have installed? |
| 01:12.05 | fongseiyuc | :-) |
| 01:12.17 | moof2 | yes, if it's ubuntu that you want |
| 01:12.43 | ImaLamer | nvz: could you be missing something related to reading the media itself that won't generate thumbs? |
| 01:12.50 | elisa87 | does re-installing removes my installed simulators? |
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| 01:13.01 | elisa87 | moof2: |
| 01:13.10 | nvz | ImaLamer: the files still play and the ffmpeg thumbnailer is still installed |
| 01:13.41 | ImaLamer | elisa87: jumping in where i was missing earlier - likely |
| 01:13.55 | ImaLamer | elisa87: can you back some things up to another drive or anything? |
| 01:14.03 | moof2 | probably yes... what dir do they live in? you may wish to back up, and/or save whatever is on /home |
| 01:14.30 | elisa87 | It's not a backing up thing! It's a whole lot of stuffs installed in about 4 months! My whole research :| |
| 01:14.53 | roshan | bye... happy netting |
| 01:14.57 | fongseiyuc | bye |
| 01:15.05 | moof2 | would you say you put your research in your home dir? |
| 01:15.39 | ImaLamer | you likely will need to back up data and program settings - idk about the programs themselves if you can get them again somewhere |
| 01:16.23 | moof2 | elisa87, do you have: a spare machine? a fairly large and empty or unused disk? |
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| 01:16.53 | moof2 | a lot of unpartitioned space on your active disk? |
| 01:17.34 | elisa87 | moof2: i REMOVED DEBIAN sid from the first line of my sources.list and now it is working! |
| 01:17.50 | moof2 | oh, cool :) |
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| 01:18.05 | moof2 | does apt-get -f install want to do anything? |
| 01:18.57 | elisa87 | as I said everything is working after removing that line I added previously in sources.list |
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| 01:19.34 | moof2 | got it; my question still stands: does apt-get -f install want to do anything? |
| 01:19.53 | nvz | hell when I run ffmpegthumbnailer manually it works.. hmm.. idk what is up with this damn thing |
| 01:20.45 | nvz | every now and then I have this issue with videos not thumbnailing, spend months fooling with it, then it just magically works somehow :-/ |
| 01:21.13 | Azzy | "idk what is up with this damn thing" should be the Debian motto, I sometimes think |
| 01:21.27 | nvz | heh |
| 01:21.37 | moof2 | debian wants to be complex |
| 01:21.48 | moof2 | or |
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| 01:22.09 | nvz | I'm technically using mate but its not working in anything else either |
| 01:22.10 | moof2 | debian developers want debian to be complex |
| 01:22.21 | elisa87 | moof2: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded. NO :) |
| 01:22.25 | nvz | and it was all working before my last upgrade |
| 01:23.00 | moof2 | elisa87, cool... so as you can see there are some updates not yet applied... |
| 01:23.02 | nvz | gettin too old to navigate files without pictures :-P |
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| 01:24.37 | moof2 | elisa87, and, I still say a backup is in your future if you wish to protect your installation |
| 01:25.02 | moof2 | having said all that... you're on your own :) |
| 01:25.35 | firztspawn | unsure if anybody is going to know this.. but does Debian have the equivalent of Gentoo's emerge -e world.. where you can rebuild the entore syste, and find any mssing links/deps etc |
| 01:25.49 | firztspawn | entire system* |
| 01:26.20 | phogg | firztspawn: you want to recompile packages? |
| 01:26.32 | firztspawn | the entire install |
| 01:26.38 | phogg | firztspawn: to what end? |
| 01:26.42 | ImaLamer | firztspawn: yes |
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| 01:27.05 | moof2 | firztspawn, I'd say you can do it, I don't know how automatic it is |
| 01:27.18 | ImaLamer | it's fairly |
| 01:27.20 | firztspawn | I suspect my system has some missing deps/links from a remove that went badly wrong last week |
| 01:27.30 | ImaLamer | 'apt-get -f install' |
| 01:27.40 | moof2 | you asked before about emerge... and debian doesn't have an emerge or bsd-like ports system |
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| 01:27.54 | ImaLamer | if you want build dependencies for an app: apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 01:27.57 | firztspawn | I don't really want to reinstall the entire OS if I can help it |
| 01:28.16 | ImaLamer | which are you running now firztspawn |
| 01:28.24 | firztspawn | Debian stable |
| 01:28.33 | firztspawn | wheezy |
| 01:28.41 | ImaLamer | then: 'apt-get -f install' to fix packages |
| 01:28.42 | phogg | firztspawn: did you use dpkg manually? |
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| 01:29.13 | phogg | firztspawn: I'm trying to understand how it is you think you got the system into a state where there are broken depends. It's not particularly easy. |
| 01:29.42 | firztspawn | yes I know phogg |
| 01:29.48 | metrix | I can re-produce the following closed bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677026 how do I re-open the issue? |
| 01:29.55 | elisa87 | moof2: sudo apt-get -f install : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. (That's all right now) |
| 01:30.09 | firztspawn | but it seems that uninstalling gstreamer-bad** and autorremove can do some interesting things |
| 01:30.23 | ImaLamer | autoremove can sometimes, yes |
| 01:30.38 | moof2 | elisa87, dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version |
| 01:30.47 | ImaLamer | if you are missing something you wanted (was installed by another package, and now removed) then just... apt-get install them again |
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| 01:31.06 | moof2 | that would be the end of the health check |
| 01:31.08 | elisa87 | dpkg-query: error: --status needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance moof2 |
| 01:31.16 | elisa87 | why did you ask so btw? |
| 01:31.21 | firztspawn | part of the autoremove was some gnome deps I think.. |
| 01:31.48 | ImaLamer | firztspawn: that can happen - but usually they aren't critical |
| 01:31.55 | firztspawn | the OS itself is fine.. but gnome and x seem to be a bit jumpy now |
| 01:31.59 | ImaLamer | they may look like it |
| 01:32.04 | moof2 | earlier you said something about libc, and libc is depended upon by most packages in the archive |
| 01:32.08 | Azzy | So worst case: reinstall gnome and it'll pull them all back in |
| 01:32.41 | firztspawn | gnome is a metapackage? |
| 01:32.43 | ImaLamer | firztspawn: install a missing gnome application and see if it brings with it a ton of packages |
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| 01:32.59 | moof2 | anyway, I suggest you do this: go to #ubuntu, ask them how to determine the version of your libc6, tell them that version and ask what version it should be |
| 01:33.24 | moof2 | there are a coupla things that make it seem like things are good |
| 01:33.25 | Azzy | Yes, gnome is a metapackage |
| 01:33.52 | WhizNDR- | I have a dumb question...I have a UEFI laptop that I want to install debian 7.0 on but trying to boot from the LiveDVD gives me Operating System Not Found....any thoughts? |
| 01:34.30 | moof2 | WhizNDR-, maybe it's not actually booting the dvd? |
| 01:34.33 | ImaLamer | does it ever spin up the DVD WhizNDR- (does it look for a DVD before getting to the drive) |
| 01:35.21 | Azzy | Or even just gnome-core if you don't want all the bells and whistles but want to be sure your basic gnome stuff is all there, along with it's dependencies. |
| 01:35.28 | WhizNDR- | yes it does and I can boot other linux distro DVDs |
| 01:35.48 | WhizNDR- | which is how I can ask for help now lol |
| 01:36.10 | moof2 | hmm. maybe the cpu is different than what's on the dvd? |
| 01:36.19 | digitalirony | and back |
| 01:37.02 | WhizNDR- | Core i5...AMD64 would be what I downloaded :/ |
| 01:37.13 | digitalirony | moof2: did you get elisa87 sorted out |
| 01:37.41 | moof2 | she got herself sorted out |
| 01:38.17 | digitalirony | nice |
| 01:38.54 | moof2 | she removed the debian sid line, updated and then she was back... apt-get -f install didn't do anything but indicate there were some additional packages to update, she did that, and now seems her installation is healthy |
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| 01:40.13 | digitalirony | moof2: oh sweet |
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| 01:40.20 | digitalirony | but, isn't she running debian |
| 01:40.30 | digitalirony | according to /etc/issue she was running debian |
| 01:40.33 | dvs | fail! |
| 01:40.36 | moof2 | no, looks like she's running ubuntu |
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| 01:40.41 | digitalirony | and she said she did a apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:42.13 | WhizNDR- | well I'll try the netinstall and see...I really don't like ubuntu :/ and Fedora and Arch and Gentoo are meh...I will make this work somehow lol |
| 01:42.26 | digitalirony | WhizNDR-: why don't you like arch |
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| 01:42.48 | digitalirony | im sure people in here will get mad, but I switched to arch from debian, and I kinda like it better |
| 01:43.05 | WhizNDR- | I don't dislike it...I just haven't seen a compelling reason for it I guess? |
| 01:43.09 | dvs | !lart digitalirony |
| 01:43.09 | dpkg | whacks digitalirony with a giant beaver's tail |
| 01:43.14 | digitalirony | lol |
| 01:43.21 | digitalirony | WhizNDR-: its rolling release is why I like it |
| 01:43.35 | digitalirony | and the AUR is really awesome |
| 01:43.59 | WhizNDR- | AUR? |
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| 01:44.22 | digitalirony | yeah, its like packages that don't make it in the distro release/repos, are maintained by the community |
| 01:44.47 | WhizNDR- | Ah...hmmmm maybe I should give it a shot...I'll be honest it has been awhile |
| 01:44.59 | digitalirony | and they release these special packages called AUR, which is hard to explain, but think of it like someone scrippted the build/compile/install process for whatever random peice of software, |
| 01:45.22 | WhizNDR- | I primarily use the laptop for development...which I love Debian for stability but it lags badly on some package versions :/ |
| 01:45.25 | digitalirony | cause, it could be a .bin, or a tar.gz etc |
| 01:45.39 | digitalirony | yeah, if you use it for dev, you will love arch then |
| 01:45.53 | digitalirony | I love debian for servers |
| 01:46.03 | digitalirony | but for testing stuff, and running the latest, I like arch on desktop |
| 01:46.09 | elisa87 | moof2: digitalirony sorry suddenly I got sick and I had to leave |
| 01:46.12 | WhizNDR- | I just got this laptop like a month ago and I'm just tired of fighting with Windows 8 :/ |
| 01:46.31 | digitalirony | WhizNDR-: I haven't used it, I hear bad tings |
| 01:46.33 | moof2 | awww feel better |
| 01:46.34 | elisa87 | I am all OK now ...just felt too much stress at once :} |
| 01:46.40 | Azzy | I don't even have W8 and I'm sick of W8 :P |
| 01:46.44 | digitalirony | I think 7 is pretty solid once you kill the bloat |
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| 01:46.58 | digitalirony | I really liked XP the best though |
| 01:47.00 | Azzy | I... am still running XP on my laptop |
| 01:47.04 | digitalirony | lol |
| 01:47.06 | WhizNDR- | ya this Sony Vaio came with Windows 8 |
| 01:47.16 | WhizNDR- | and ugggghhhhh |
| 01:47.28 | Azzy | I eventually bit the bullet and got W7 for my desktop, cause videogames, but meh. |
| 01:47.38 | digitalirony | yeah thats why I have it |
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| 01:48.14 | digitalirony | windows VM worked for most games, but not these new fangled ones |
| 01:48.16 | andreas_ | delete windows |
| 01:48.18 | zacts | network manager keeps on disconnecting my wifi. I then have to unplug my device, usb, and plug it back in. |
| 01:48.27 | zacts | this happens like two times every ten minutes |
| 01:48.30 | WhizNDR- | I don't game haha...I have a PS3 for that...I had a Mac for a long time...I loved it but it died and I just couldn't justify the price difference to have a mac |
| 01:48.39 | Azzy | network manager has always been terrible for me |
| 01:48.42 | zacts | is this a common problem amongst debian users? |
| 01:48.48 | zacts | what alternatives do I have? |
| 01:48.59 | digitalirony | zacts: apparently network-manager not working is common today anyway |
| 01:49.05 | digitalirony | but all different issues |
| 01:49.09 | Azzy | zacts: I think the usual response is "wicd" |
| 01:49.12 | digitalirony | zacts wicd |
| 01:49.18 | digitalirony | lol |
| 01:49.20 | zacts | ok, I'll check it out |
| 01:49.24 | zacts | ty ^_^ |
| 01:49.36 | digitalirony | you have to comepletey remove network-manager I think |
| 01:49.43 | digitalirony | least, I remember having to do that |
| 01:49.54 | digitalirony | or else they would fight over control or something |
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| 01:50.10 | WhizNDR- | this new gnome is...difference...last tim eI used it was 2.x haha |
| 01:50.26 | digitalirony | I like awesome |
| 01:50.34 | digitalirony | took a bit to get used to it |
| 01:50.37 | Azzy | Yeah... the new gnome made me move to xfce :P |
| 01:50.49 | digitalirony | or also, I used to like window maker |
| 01:50.50 | moof2 | I do like wics,,, is this a wireless on a laptop? (that's the most likely candidate for nm or wicdsthing |
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| 01:51.12 | WhizNDR- | I think I like gnome 3....but really difference |
| 01:51.26 | digitalirony | try something lighter heh |
| 01:51.28 | roshan | hi, i am back. Wahat is the difference between gdm and gdm3 |
| 01:51.42 | zacts | hm.. ok |
| 01:51.43 | zacts | just barfed on me again. |
| 01:51.58 | digitalirony | zacts: did you remove nm? |
| 01:52.13 | digitalirony | also is there anything in dmesg |
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| 01:52.29 | moof2 | parfed == doesn't work |
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| 01:52.37 | moof2 | !doesn't work |
| 01:52.37 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 01:52.47 | WhizNDR- | something lighter? |
| 01:52.48 | roshan | Why cant i install gdm by using apt-get install gdm gdm-themes |
| 01:53.22 | digitalirony | roshan: you can? |
| 01:53.25 | Azzy | I don't know, what error message do you get when you try? |
| 01:53.26 | moof2 | roshan, so far there is not information that would allow that question to be answered |
| 01:53.43 | Azzy | See "doesn't work" above :P |
| 01:53.50 | elisa87 | Confessions: I like this channel better than Ubuntu channel though I have Ubuntu :P |
| 01:53.56 | digitalirony | WhizNDR-: yeah you can try awesome, or fvwm-crystal(try the different themese or recipes before you give up), or window maker |
| 01:53.56 | moof2 | and remember... |
| 01:53.59 | moof2 | parfed == doesn't work |
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| 01:54.10 | moof2 | err barfed |
| 01:54.11 | roshan | digitairony : it says no installation candidate... and also not in wheezy repos |
| 01:54.13 | digitalirony | WhizNDR-: awesome is all done in a giant lua script, which alot of devs like |
| 01:54.14 | roshan | moof2 : ? |
| 01:54.15 | Azzy | elisa87: That's only because no one has started a EVERYTHING MUST BE F/OSS argument yet this evening. |
| 01:54.32 | inhumantsar | elisa87: install debian instead, you might find you like the OS better too :P |
| 01:54.41 | digitalirony | oh, your on 7.0, I guess its not available ? |
| 01:54.46 | moof2 | roshan, are you running wheezy right now on the machine you're talking about? |
| 01:55.22 | roshan | no, i am having it in a virtaual machine |
| 01:55.26 | zacts | is installing wicd and wicd-curses |
| 01:55.57 | moof2 | so you are running wheezy, as a guest of a virtulization server? |
| 01:56.58 | elisa87 | cool! I am where I was 4 hours ago: E: Package 'libvirt' has no installation candidate |
| 01:57.07 | digitalirony | yay |
| 01:57.10 | roshan | my question can be reframed as can i install gdm instead of gmd3 |
| 01:57.19 | digitalirony | elisa87: make a disk image heh |
| 01:57.29 | digitalirony | roshan: on what |
| 01:57.49 | roshan | on Wheezy |
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| 01:58.35 | elisa87 | I have successfully installed libvirt-bin but I don't know which other packs does this http://blog.johngoulah.com/2013/01/building-your-own-cloud/ tutorial want from http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743748/ digitalirony moof2 |
| 01:58.39 | digitalirony | roshan: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=70383 |
| 01:58.45 | Azzy | elisa87: As much as I hate to steer you away from the channel you like better than the ubuntu channel, they're probably going to be more helpful to you when it comes to ubuntu dependency problems than we are. |
| 01:58.50 | digitalirony | in short, it doesn't look like you can |
| 01:58.53 | digitalirony | sorry |
| 02:00.24 | roshan | hmmm.. tht explained a lot... |
| 02:00.52 | roshan | I searched th enet to find gdm3-themes similar to gdm-these, but to no avail. |
| 02:01.01 | digitalirony | hrm |
| 02:01.23 | digitalirony | I mean, you could try and compile it all and chase dep issues? |
| 02:01.29 | Azzy | You can always just dop gmd entirely |
| 02:01.32 | Azzy | drop* |
| 02:01.54 | digitalirony | try slim? |
| 02:02.01 | ImaLamer | gnome anything 3 isn't going to be theme-y like gnome 2 |
| 02:03.08 | digitalirony | roshan: I like this one alot. But thats my opinion http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/slim |
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| 02:04.35 | roshan | digitalIrony, but there are no infos about customization, and i read somewhere that, it may brreak my system |
| 02:04.48 | ImaLamer | i seemed to have suddenly lost my mouse cursor in xfce/wheezy - any ideas on getting that back? |
| 02:05.03 | digitalirony | roshan: its pretty easy to customize I think, its very sleek. |
| 02:05.14 | roshan | ok |
| 02:05.18 | digitalirony | and I have never had it break my system....maybe on wheezy though, I haven't tried it |
| 02:05.18 | Azzy | I'm telling you, drop it entirely. Chicks/dudes did chicks/dudes who log in from the cli :P (Disclaimer: I just got ivorced, so not really.) |
| 02:05.21 | Azzy | dig* |
| 02:05.35 | fongseiyuc | elisa87, have you tried: apt-cache search libvirt or aptitude search libvirt ? |
| 02:05.36 | roshan | i will try that too. one thing, can i have multiple display managers installed |
| 02:05.36 | digitalirony | but then again, breaking a system is what teaches |
| 02:05.47 | digitalirony | roshan: yes, but not in use |
| 02:05.50 | roshan | ahem..ahem |
| 02:05.58 | digitalirony | roshan: well, technicaly, you can have multiple ones in use |
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| 02:06.05 | roshan | ok |
| 02:06.08 | ImaLamer | breaking things is what brings us together |
| 02:06.15 | digitalirony | but, thats way out of topic lol |
| 02:06.29 | Azzy | Breaking my system is what made me give up on Debian for like 8 years before I finally came back and tried it again :P |
| 02:06.47 | digitalirony | heh |
| 02:06.52 | moof2 | so we are a gang of thing breakers!!? |
| 02:07.07 | digitalirony | apparently |
| 02:07.15 | ImaLamer | because we can |
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| 02:07.31 | digitalirony | I only break things, cause I know they can be repaired |
| 02:07.34 | Luke-Jr | how risky is upgrading my etch VPS? |
| 02:07.48 | elisa87 | what should I name this if I am doing it for Ubuntu? is the name really important? virt-install --name=virt-base-deb --ram=512 --graphics vnc,listen=0.0.0.0 --network=bridge=br0 \ --accelerate --virt-type=kvm --vcpus=1 --cpuset=auto --cpu=host --disk /var/lib/libvirt/images/debbase.img \ --cdrom debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:07.49 | ImaLamer | Luke-Jr: how risky is not upgrading it! |
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| 02:08.14 | digitalirony | Luke-Jr: depends....do you have a backup |
| 02:08.28 | moof2 | Luke-Jr, what does your etch VPS do? |
| 02:08.39 | Luke-Jr | moof2: hosts games |
| 02:08.46 | moof2 | one sec :) let me just rule one thing out |
| 02:08.50 | Luke-Jr | digitalirony: it's small enough I could make one easily |
| 02:08.58 | Luke-Jr | restoring a backup.. not so simple I think |
| 02:09.01 | digitalirony | Luke-Jr: always have abackup if you can |
| 02:09.10 | digitalirony | depends on how you back it up |
| 02:09.12 | moof2 | so, it's a server on a static IP used by others? |
| 02:09.17 | Luke-Jr | yes |
| 02:09.24 | ImaLamer | take stock of what needs to be backed up - and what REALLY needs to be backed up |
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| 02:10.16 | ImaLamer | what VPS? (if one a la linode you can likely create a second disk, fresh install to test, or copy that disk/partition and test on the other, etc) |
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| 02:10.50 | Luke-Jr | erm, I'm not really even sure who hosts it anymore <.< |
| 02:11.00 | Luke-Jr | kinda just paid upfront for a few years and forgot about it |
| 02:11.08 | ImaLamer | check your cc statemen... never mind ;P |
| 02:11.28 | digitalirony | trace route the ip |
| 02:11.28 | Luke-Jr | it's like $4/mo |
| 02:11.39 | digitalirony | see what the last hop is before and whois that up |
| 02:11.41 | digitalirony | *ip |
| 02:11.47 | Luke-Jr | cheapvps.co.uk |
| 02:11.52 | digitalirony | that will give you a good clue |
| 02:11.54 | digitalirony | there ya go |
| 02:12.05 | moof2 | Luke-Jr, one way of thinking about the machine, is: it's a production server |
| 02:12.11 | ImaLamer | anyone know about my missing mouse cursor? :( |
| 02:12.29 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: its just missing? |
| 02:12.33 | moof2 | and what you should do is copy that server to another machine (maybe a virtualized) |
| 02:12.35 | digitalirony | like even after reboot? |
| 02:12.38 | moof2 | then try upgrading that |
| 02:12.58 | ImaLamer | digitalirony: it just disappeared a few minutes ago |
| 02:13.03 | Luke-Jr | also, it's OpenVZ |
| 02:13.05 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: does the mouse cursor show up in a live cd? |
| 02:13.11 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: what if you try another mouse? |
| 02:13.14 | Luke-Jr | which means I can't change the kernel from 2.6.32 |
| 02:13.15 | digitalirony | anything in dmesg? |
| 02:13.19 | digitalirony | try to reboot? |
| 02:13.27 | ImaLamer | it's working |
| 02:13.42 | moof2 | you could upgrade to squeeze hten |
| 02:14.05 | ImaLamer | i tried changing the pointer theme in xfce and it didn't appear |
| 02:14.09 | moof2 | but again, I recommend you never touch production while you're fiddling trying to see what to do |
| 02:14.12 | ImaLamer | i'm really wondering about this nv driver |
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| 02:15.26 | elisa87 | How long does usually this command take to be processed? :S |
| 02:15.29 | elisa87 | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/lib/libvirt/images/x86_ubuntu.img bs=1M count=2G |
| 02:15.37 | ImaLamer | prob a while |
| 02:16.45 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: do you really have that much disk space? |
| 02:16.55 | Luke-Jr | 2 PB, I think? |
| 02:17.13 | elisa87 | hmm good question ? should I know it by df -h :? Luke-Jr |
| 02:17.13 | moof2 | 2 peanutbutterbytes?? |
| 02:17.19 | Luke-Jr | petabytes |
| 02:17.27 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: well, how many hard drives? |
| 02:17.35 | Luke-Jr | the biggest made is somewhere around 0.01 PB |
| 02:18.10 | elisa87 | hey Luke-Jr I don't know that much of details how shouold I find out? |
| 02:18.11 | moof2 | that;s 10tb? |
| 02:18.21 | ImaLamer | the cursor still doesn't come back after exiting and restarting X |
| 02:18.25 | Luke-Jr | moof2: yes |
| 02:18.53 | smw | elisa87, you can send a signal and get its progress |
| 02:18.56 | moof2 | and the max in a single drive? |
| 02:19.00 | fongseiyuc | ImaLamer, i've had it happend too before ... only reboot helped |
| 02:19.13 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: if you paid less than $50,000, you don't. |
| 02:19.17 | ImaLamer | bah, that's two reboots in 9 days - 2 being today |
| 02:19.45 | moof2 | maybe they have 2pb total for them and all their customers |
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| 02:20.00 | hydro-prince | I need some help. |
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| 02:20.45 | moof2 | can't help yet. |
| 02:20.53 | elisa87 | smw gow can I send a signal ? Luke-Jr this the the research lab computer and it's a XEON server machine |
| 02:20.54 | ImaLamer | with what hydro-prince |
| 02:20.56 | Azzy | We need information to help you. |
| 02:21.10 | hydro-prince | While I was creating a Debian Wiki account, I got account creation 918 and I emailed the address it said to contact regarding the issue |
| 02:21.11 | ImaLamer | i hate computers |
| 02:21.21 | hydro-prince | but it's been a week since I emailed, no reply |
| 02:21.25 | elisa87 | azzy smv I want to know what's up with this? sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/lib/libvirt/images/x86_ubuntu.img bs=1M count=2G as it's taking so long to proceed |
| 02:21.31 | Azzy | Oh. No clue at all about the wiki. |
| 02:21.34 | smw | elisa87, kill -USR1 dd_pid |
| 02:21.49 | elisa87 | smw what does kill -USR1 dd_pid do? |
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| 02:21.56 | moof2 | if it's a person at the other end of the email, you 'd have to wait till he sees it |
| 02:22.10 | smw | elisa87, it makes dd output its current progress |
| 02:22.21 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: I really don't think you want to do that dd |
| 02:22.21 | smw | elisa87, anyways, I think count is the number of blocks, not bytes |
| 02:22.43 | smw | elisa87, that dd is probably wrong. |
| 02:22.49 | hydro-prince | I emailed the error info to debian-www@lists.debian.org |
| 02:22.57 | hydro-prince | I don't think that's a person... |
| 02:23.01 | smw | elisa87, instead of count=2G, perhaps bs=2G |
| 02:23.08 | Luke-Jr | smw: O.O |
| 02:23.17 | elisa87 | what is dd pid ? ps |
| 02:23.18 | smw | oops, bs isn't right either :-\ |
| 02:23.19 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.19 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.19 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.32 | smw | Luke-Jr, yeah, wrong one :-) |
| 02:23.40 | moof2 | smd, count= is how many units of bs= |
| 02:24.08 | elisa87 | smv I was following here : http://blog.johngoulah.com/2013/01/building-your-own-cloud/ instead of 8G I used 2G |
| 02:24.21 | smw | moof2, ok |
| 02:24.23 | elisa87 | I want my disk image to be 2G |
| 02:25.06 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: that link doesn't say 8G, it says 8192 |
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| 02:25.26 | elisa87 | I believe that counts for 8G |
| 02:25.30 | Luke-Jr | put 2048 if you want 2G |
| 02:25.37 | Luke-Jr | elisa87: it doesn't |
| 02:25.58 | elisa87 | Luke-Jr: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/lib/libvirt/images/x86_ubuntu.img bs=1M count=2048 |
| 02:25.58 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.08 | Luke-Jr | yes |
| 02:26.30 | ImaLamer | fongseiyuc: reboot did fix it |
| 02:27.02 | fongseiyuc | ImaLamer, i know :-) |
| 02:27.11 | fongseiyuc | i also have nv |
| 02:27.27 | elisa87 | Gosh .... God save you Luke-Jr sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/lib/libvirt/images/x86_ubuntu.img bs=1M count=2048 |
| 02:27.27 | elisa87 | [sudo] password for jalal: |
| 02:27.27 | elisa87 | 2048+0 records in |
| 02:27.27 | elisa87 | 2048+0 records out |
| 02:27.27 | elisa87 | 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 26.5742 s, 80.8 MB/s |
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| 02:27.29 | ImaLamer | in a laptop |
| 02:27.48 | ImaLamer | poor elisa |
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| 02:29.35 | moof2 | elisa87, /dev/zero, it's like it's infinite length, so you would need to add something to limit it to what you want |
| 02:30.07 | elisa87 | moof2: I am not getting what you say |
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| 02:31.16 | moof2 | if you just put dd if=/dev/zero, it will never stop putting out zeros until the cows come home or the sun explodes, whichever takes longer |
| 02:31.48 | moof2 | essentially "forever until stopped" |
| 02:32.59 | moof2 | dd has bs= and count= to have the effect of limiting that |
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| 02:33.49 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.10 | elisa87 | Can you please take a look at this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743797/ |
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| 02:41.22 | elisa87 | No write access to directory /home/jalal/.virtinst |
| 02:41.24 | elisa87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.42 | elisa87 | I used sudo before virt-install ! |
| 02:41.45 | moof2 | yeah, wonder what's up with that |
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| 02:43.48 | elisa87 | anyway are you aware of any other way that I can create a .iso which has linux x86 inside it and has a size about 1 or 2 G ? I have been using many manuals today but totally unsuccessful |
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| 02:48.42 | elisa87 | Why pacstrap: command not found ??? I can't find a guide for installing it! moof2 |
| 02:49.36 | lernr | Hey everyone - I need gwibber 3.4.2 to sync with my facebook account. I can add the account, but after authorizing it gives a message saying Success - and doesn't have the account in account lists... How do I fix..? |
| 02:49.43 | Drakeson | Which one of wayland or mir is more likely to be supported by debian (e.g., come in main)? |
| 02:50.29 | moof2 | so... I don't know ubuntu or pacstrap; as to why any command would not be found, that would be because it's not in one of the dirs in your $PATH |
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| 02:55.19 | zykotick9 | Drakeson: try #d-offtopic, but wayland is only "real" possibility. mir is ubuntu-land crazyness. |
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| 03:04.08 | elisa87 | I am using this python script for creating disk image with Linux 86 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5740800/ but I receive this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743842/ Interestingly before running the script when I do sudo losetup -f it says /dev/loop0 is free but when I run it , it says it's busy! I am just helpless regarding this ...any help is really appreciated |
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| 03:15.21 | elisa87 | I am using this python script for creating disk image with Linux 86 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5740800/ but I receive this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5743842/ Interestingly before running the script when I do sudo losetup -f it says /dev/loop0 is free but when I run it , it says it's busy! I am just helpless regarding this ...any help is really appreciated mood2 Luke-Jr digitalirony |
| 03:15.46 | ImaLamer | i'm stuck with this perl based 'rename' command - can i not feed it a list of file names to rename extensions of? |
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| 03:33.20 | jharri34 | hello |
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| 03:35.15 | jharri34 | i just installed debain wheezy and follow the tutorial for installing nvidia drivers now my computer only boots into text mode |
| 03:36.02 | histo | ImaLamer: who wrote the perl script? |
| 03:36.11 | jharri34 | i tried startx and restartx but i recieve the following error fatal error no sceens found |
| 03:36.23 | ImaLamer | it's the one supplied by debian as 'rename' |
| 03:37.07 | ImaLamer | jharri34: did you already have a working system with the open source NV drivers? |
| 03:37.10 | histo | ImaLamer: what kind of files are you trying to rename? |
| 03:37.37 | ImaLamer | a bunch of GIF files with the wrong extension |
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| 03:37.54 | histo | ImaLamer: what is their current extension that you want renamed to gif? |
| 03:37.59 | ImaLamer | i used file to pipe them into a text file (the ones needing renamed) |
| 03:38.02 | qman__ | ImaLamer, IIRC, rename accepts a regex statement similar to sed, not a list of files |
| 03:38.10 | ImaLamer | mostly jpg because of bad webhosts |
| 03:38.12 | jharri34 | i used this Version 195.36.31 from the debian wiki |
| 03:38.32 | ImaLamer | right, with regex i can't pass the list of files to it |
| 03:38.33 | histo | ImaLamer: rename 's/\.jpg/\.gif/' *.jpg |
| 03:38.55 | ImaLamer | i'm trying to rename them in place and my usage of 'while IFS' is not great |
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| 03:39.23 | ImaLamer | or rather 'read' i guess |
| 03:39.32 | jharri34 | @ImaLamer yes it did but was would randomly crash on boot leaving me with a blnk screen |
| 03:39.49 | histo | ImaLamer: is there a reason you don't just do the command I typed? |
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| 03:40.09 | ImaLamer | jharri34: certain you have all the packages and the correct ones for your video card model? |
| 03:42.07 | jharri34 | yes i did lspci -nn and i have the nvidia 555m and its listed under the supported devices |
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| 03:44.15 | histo | jharri34: lspci -k and see which module is loaded currently |
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| 03:45.55 | jharri34 | sorry what does the module look like |
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| 03:47.18 | ImaLamer | how can i grep on multiple things? |
| 03:47.54 | ImaLamer | ...by using 'or' ... who would have guessed |
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| 03:48.40 | histo | jharri34: the Kernel driver in use: xxxxx line |
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| 03:50.14 | histo | ImaLamer: I believe you can use -e pattern1 -e pattern2 |
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| 03:50.45 | ImaLamer | histo: sorry, i missed that earlier... i only want to rename some of the *jpg files |
| 03:51.07 | ImaLamer | histo: which i've identified with 'file' and output that to a text doc |
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| 03:51.22 | histo | ImaLamer: well then redirect your list of files to the rename command |
| 03:51.29 | ImaLamer | that fails |
| 03:51.53 | ImaLamer | used a while IFS to feed into: mv -i -- "$f" "${f%.jpg}.gif" |
| 03:52.10 | ImaLamer | (ignore the -i, doesn't do anything :P ) |
| 03:52.36 | ImaLamer | grep -E 'pattern1|pattern2' |
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| 03:53.47 | histo | ImaLamer: rename 's/\.jpg/\.gif/' < listoffiles.txt |
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| 04:04.43 | wbill | what is a good torrent downloader for mac |
| 04:04.55 | ImaLamer | transmission |
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| 04:05.53 | zacts | cool wicd-curses fixed my issue |
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| 04:07.27 | histo | wbill: please stop spamming all the wrong channels just join the #mac channel and get your answer |
| 04:07.33 | Azzy | Good to hear, zacts |
| 04:07.47 | ImaLamer | zacts: seems that happens a lot around here |
| 04:08.28 | robsonpeixoto | hi. How can I install Debian um My notebook who came without OS using a USB? I have an macbookpro. Can I create the USB using os x? thanks |
| 04:08.50 | ImaLamer | do you have OSX running elsewhere? |
| 04:09.01 | histo | dpkg: tell robsonpeixoto about usb |
| 04:09.39 | histo | dpkg: tell robsonpeixoto about usb install |
| 04:09.46 | Rusty1 | robsonpeixoto: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 04:10.12 | jharri34 | my fresh debian install boots into text mode after following the nvidia tutorial on the debian wiki |
| 04:10.39 | robsonpeixoto | Rusty1: I tried but not work. I'm using this iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 04:10.55 | jharri34 | heres the tutorial |
| 04:11.16 | histo | jharri34: please lspci -k and figure out what module is being loaded for your video card |
| 04:11.41 | histo | robsonpeixoto: do you have anything on the thumb drive that you currently need? |
| 04:12.04 | histo | robsonpeixoto: and what type of system are you going to create the usb from? Windows/Linux/Mac? |
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| 04:13.49 | jharri34 | "kernel driver in use:nvidia" |
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| 04:14.17 | histo | jharri34: which driver did you install and how did you install it? |
| 04:15.20 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: did you 'press alt/option key while the Mac is restarting to choose the USB stick' ? |
| 04:15.33 | ImaLamer | jharri34: i think you may have the older driver and need the newer |
| 04:15.55 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: if it boots to text mode then X is not installed or not set up to run. Have you installed xorg and a desktop environment? |
| 04:16.11 | robsonpeixoto | histo I'll use Mac to create the USB |
| 04:16.22 | jharri34 | this website http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/#Use_DKMS said this Version 304.88 drive |
| 04:16.40 | robsonpeixoto | ImaLamer: I'll install in a PC, not in a mac |
| 04:16.48 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: for which videocard? |
| 04:16.50 | histo | robsonpeixoto: dd the iso to your usb device |
| 04:16.56 | ImaLamer | jharri34: i thought you were running an older version (like 19X) |
| 04:17.29 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: you said earlier you'd isntall to macbookpro ... are you creating the USB drive on that pro then? |
| 04:17.41 | robsonpeixoto | histo: I tried this too. On install process the installer try to find the cdrom, but my Dell don't have a cdrom |
| 04:18.26 | robsonpeixoto | ImaLamer: Sorry, my english is terrible. I'm using the Mac to create a USB bootable to install in a Dell notebook |
| 04:18.28 | jharri34 | I've done apt-get update and upgrade |
| 04:18.43 | ImaLamer | ha! my gif renaming script even works after 'porting' it to run under cygwin (don't set me on fire) |
| 04:19.32 | otend | I appear to have occasional connection drops with nothing pre-empting them. I'm not sure if it's a driver issue or something else. How could I debug this? |
| 04:20.10 | mumpitze1 | otend: you check your kernel log |
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| 04:20.44 | mumpitze1 | and what is the word "pre-empt" doing here? |
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| 04:21.15 | mumpitze1 | robsonpeixoto: what is the dd command you used on the mac? |
| 04:21.27 | robsonpeixoto | dd |
| 04:21.34 | mumpitze1 | the full commandline? |
| 04:21.35 | Akuw | hi |
| 04:21.37 | robsonpeixoto | mumpitze1 is the same. |
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| 04:22.40 | robsonpeixoto | sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=4096 |
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| 04:22.54 | factor | What is the ssh command to copy its key automatically to your server so you dont have to log in again ? |
| 04:23.08 | robsonpeixoto | I tried too: sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/disk1s1 bs=4096 |
| 04:23.15 | jharri34 | i cant find any updated driver the on e im using seems to be the newest |
| 04:23.27 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: please answer my question |
| 04:24.01 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: sorry what was the question |
| 04:24.43 | mumpitze1 | what card, is xorg and a DE installed, what does Xorg.0.log say? |
| 04:26.23 | Rusty1 | robsonpeixoto: try sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdx oflag=direct bs=1048576 |
| 04:26.50 | histo | robsonpeixoto: I read some place online about converting the iso to img on mac first then imaging for whatever reason. |
| 04:27.10 | Rusty1 | if its a sandisk u3, all bets are off |
| 04:27.14 | robsonpeixoto | histo: I tried it too? Maybe a problem on the iso ? |
| 04:27.16 | jharri34 | i do see a gdm3 folder and in xorg log i see fatal server error no screen found |
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| 04:27.51 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: i do see a gdm3 folder and in xorg log i see fatal server error no screen found |
| 04:28.49 | histo | robsonpeixoto: check the md5sums |
| 04:29.03 | histo | mumpitze1: he's getting errors about no screens found |
| 04:31.24 | ImaLamer | factor: i had the command ready to paste in and my video card barfed... |
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| 04:32.09 | ImaLamer | histo: yeah, i read too that you must convert the iso on OSX |
| 04:32.28 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: put your Xorg.0.log on paste.debian.net |
| 04:32.57 | robsonpeixoto | sorry guys. Bad checksum. Thanks histo, Rusty1, mumpitze1 and everybody. I'll download again and retry |
| 04:33.36 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: xorg log i see fatal server error no screen found |
| 04:33.48 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: that's nice. now pastebin that Xorg.0.log |
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| 04:34.14 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: it's not everything you can see there. always remember: FIRST error. not the last that you just wrote about |
| 04:35.04 | ImaLamer | factor: you still with us? |
| 04:35.47 | ImaLamer | factor: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh user@hostname 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' |
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| 04:37.26 | ImaLamer | or rather... authorized_keys2 |
| 04:37.26 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: gotcha im working on a separt computer one sec |
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| 04:48.37 | robsonpeixoto | I downloaded the file again, made the DD and got: 'cd-rom unit not detected' =( |
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| 04:50.10 | robsonpeixoto | i'll try this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25401/how-to-create-a-bootable-usb-stick-with-debian-squeeze |
| 04:50.12 | ImaLamer | did you run hdiutil |
| 04:50.30 | jharri34 | http://paste.debian.net/9133/ |
| 04:50.47 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/9133/ |
| 04:52.27 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: why not try http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for OSX |
| 04:52.29 | robsonpeixoto | no, only dd. ImaLamer, I got the friend's notebook with ubuntu 13.04 to create the USB |
| 04:52.30 | ImaLamer | or have you? |
| 04:52.37 | ImaLamer | oh i see |
| 04:53.16 | robsonpeixoto | ImaLamer: I tried but not work. Always the same problem: 'can't find cd-rom device =(' |
| 04:53.50 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: how about http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html |
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| 04:54.32 | ImaLamer | what gives you that error robsonpeixoto |
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| 04:55.03 | robsonpeixoto | ImaLamer: The installer, after change the language. |
| 04:55.17 | robsonpeixoto | ImaLamer: I'm trying this: 4.3.2. Manually copying files to the USB stick |
| 04:55.26 | oops | Could you please see this video description and suggest if this a reasonable attack we should prevent against? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8oa0oqR-c4 |
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| 04:56.52 | oops | I feel that if an attacker has physical access to a system, why would he even bother about modifying the grub menu? He can simply boot the system with a live CD and access the file system. |
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| 04:57.02 | oops | secure grub does nothing to prevent against such an attack, does it? Isn't the correct solution encrypting the file system? |
| 04:57.33 | ImaLamer | physical access means you have nothing left to hide |
| 04:58.03 | oops | ImaLamer, but encrypted file system can prevent physical access attacks too, am I right? |
| 04:58.19 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: it looks like instead of using dd= to put the files on the USB stick you might want to try putting the ISO file on there directly |
| 04:58.23 | ImaLamer | robsonpeixoto: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1550317 |
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| 04:59.07 | ImaLamer | oops: encrypted files/filesystems can slow down someone's ability to get to your data - how slow (your lifetime, 1,000 years) depends on the encryption |
| 04:59.13 | ImaLamer | *and it's implementation |
| 04:59.14 | oops | ImaLamer, agreed |
| 05:00.19 | chrisirc | its |
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| 05:01.14 | chrisirc | I really wouldn't bet on lifetimes or something like 1000 years. |
| 05:01.28 | ImaLamer | for what type of encryption? |
| 05:01.48 | chrisirc | For any that we use. |
| 05:02.16 | ImaLamer | and who is attempting the crack, with what resources? |
| 05:02.49 | ImaLamer | too many variables to make such statements |
| 05:02.53 | chrisirc | You can bet that encrypted data is safe for decades, but then you really bet on there being no new kinds of tech or mathematical insights. |
| 05:03.28 | chrisirc | Yes. Also, is 1000 years much? use 1000 times as much power and it's 1 year. |
| 05:04.09 | ImaLamer | sure, does your attacker have that type of power? |
| 05:04.09 | chrisirc | Or, if every 10 years computers are 10 times more powerful, just wait 30 years longer. |
| 05:04.32 | ImaLamer | then is 30 years enough for your data? |
| 05:04.34 | chrisirc | No way that you'll wait 1000 years. That number just doesn't make sense :). |
| 05:04.59 | ImaLamer | _it's_ not just a simple answer |
| 05:05.08 | chrisirc | Yeah, that's the question I'm asking myself. Something in about that range of time, a couple decades. |
| 05:05.12 | rryoumaa | one bit of key length doubles brute force time |
| 05:05.13 | ImaLamer | except - that it will be cracked, eventually |
| 05:05.31 | rryoumaa | 10 bits by a factor of a thousand; 20 bits by a factor of a million |
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| 05:06.18 | ImaLamer | big keys on bad algorithms don't help much (from my limited brain pan's wiki) |
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| 05:07.02 | chrisirc | So, if you tell me, that it will take 1 billion years with current tech, then that is more meaningful. I.e. might withstand 100+ years with computers still advancing the same way they do today. But yep exactly, who knows whether the algorithms stay safe? |
| 05:07.16 | rryoumaa | true, but it limits the discussion to cracking algorithms, math for cryptanalysis, quantum computing, maetc. |
| 05:07.48 | ImaLamer | using peer reviewed encryption helps you know if it's a safe algorithm to start |
| 05:08.13 | chrisirc | That only brings up what we know *today*. |
| 05:08.18 | rryoumaa | i haven't heard anybody claiming 1000 years for an algorithm |
| 05:08.30 | ImaLamer | take current tech, do some math with moore's law (adding in possible growth rates in hardware sales) and you'll get to how long it'll take |
| 05:09.43 | ImaLamer | i just pulled that length of time out of my ~ |
| 05:10.11 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: line 21 is pretty self explanatory. fix your xorg.conf |
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| 05:10.38 | rryoumaa | i'm saying probably the real locus of conversation shouldn't be how to get around a few years (1000 is only a few years) but how to make big slashes in the amount of time |
| 05:10.54 | rryoumaa | but what do i know? i am not a cryptographer |
| 05:11.58 | robsonpeixoto | guys, thank you e good night |
| 05:12.03 | robsonpeixoto | i'll sleep |
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| 05:14.20 | ImaLamer | rryoumaa: "Bruce Schneier showed (via thermodynamics) that if you had perfect computational efficiency, you'd need the power of something like 40 trillion suns in order to crack one perfect 256-bit key" |
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| 05:18.58 | Azzy | ImaLamer: Only if you had the worst possible luck in the world, though. |
| 05:19.05 | chrisirc | That's what I would call a key long enough to need an algorithmic breakthrough. Or said differently, I still doubt that you can be sure (i.e. proove) that any encryption algorithm will be safe for longer than a lifetime. |
| 05:19.48 | ImaLamer | chrisirc: yeah, you would have to depend on your scheme having a flaw (i.e. in 5 years AES-256 is blown open, etc) |
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| 05:20.33 | chrisirc | "Flaw" may not be the right word. "Missing a discovery" sounds more like it. |
| 05:20.38 | ImaLamer | more than likely, someone steals your key if it's that size |
| 05:21.17 | ImaLamer | Bruce is in the minority in suggesting it's best to write down passwords on slips of paper because humans are better at protecting that piece of paper than anything else we deal with |
| 05:22.00 | ImaLamer | i need sleep - talk to you folk tomorrow evening after my non-technical job |
| 05:22.27 | chrisirc | good night |
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| 05:40.44 | culleyetc00 | hi |
| 05:41.52 | culleyetc00 | Debian doesn't like the wired network at my local library |
| 05:42.19 | culleyetc00 | Picks up USB tethered internet fine through smartphone though :-/ |
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| 05:45.51 | elkingrey | I'm attempting to install debian on an hp pavilion zv5000 but during installation it's telling me it needs some non-free software for my hardware. I'm assuming that it's for the wireless. Is there any way to find out if there is some free software driver for my wireless? I'd really like to stay 100% free if possible. |
| 05:46.24 | culleyetc00 | you don't have to pay for the non-free software as far as I know |
| 05:46.28 | culleyetc00 | elkingrey: it |
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| 05:46.55 | culleyetc00 | elkingrey: it's just not legal to distribute freely in all countries so they make you add it on manually, i think? |
| 05:48.02 | culleyetc00 | elkingrey: non-free includes stuff like codecs for audio & video formats too |
| 05:48.42 | chrisirc | Well, a good reason to avoid non-free is if the drivers are buggy (and them being non-free not suggesting an easy way to be fixed). |
| 05:48.59 | otend | okay, it appears to be the ath9k driver |
| 05:49.00 | elkingrey | I'm trying to RMS this shizz |
| 05:49.10 | chrisirc | (Also, they taint the kernel, i.e. kernel devs can't debug issues that arise when such drivers are around.) |
| 05:50.00 | otend | i.e. the ath9k driver in stable is not playing nice with this router or something, I dunno |
| 05:50.01 | culleyetc00 | If free drivers exist, why aren't they available in repositories etc? do you just have to add those repositories? |
| 05:50.26 | chrisirc | They can take time to be integrated. |
| 05:50.41 | chrisirc | Often drivers just need to be patched with a new hardware identifier. |
| 05:50.44 | otend | what should I do? trunk upgrade? |
| 05:50.45 | otend | (also, I forgot how to trunk upgrade, whee) |
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| 05:51.32 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: what wlan chip is it? |
| 05:52.00 | culleyetc00 | is there any obvious reason why my Debian finds a wired network but not a connection to connect to? |
| 05:52.05 | otend | or is there some way to patch the driver in? (I'm new to this) |
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| 05:52.23 | GorillaPatch | Good morning everybody. I am configuring debian wheezy on my raspberry pi and I cannot get rid of the sit0 network interface. I do not need it as I am using a sixxs tunnel. |
| 05:52.30 | mumpitze1 | otend: there is a way. google compat wireless. or you get the 3.8 kernel from sid |
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| 05:52.46 | clinton | I'm getting a "grub rescue>" prompt with the error "symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" |
| 05:52.49 | chrisirc | otend, sometimes you can recompile newer packages from Debian sid (only makes sense if you're using stable). |
| 05:53.00 | GorillaPatch | I have followed instructions on the web to add a "blacklist sit" line to a config file in modprobe.d but it does not worl |
| 05:53.01 | clinton | set root to the partition of the drive, prefix to the partition/boot/grub |
| 05:53.06 | chrisirc | otend, otherwise, follow installation procedure provided by the upstream devs. |
| 05:53.07 | culleyetc00 | could the library be only allowing windows/mac joins to their network? |
| 05:53.11 | clinton | but when I run "insmod normal" I still get the same error |
| 05:53.23 | clinton | do I need to set something else? |
| 05:53.55 | chrisirc | otend, or what mumpitze1 says |
| 05:54.30 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, use "tcpdump -i eth0 -n -p" to see what's going on. |
| 05:54.57 | mumpitze1 | GorillaPatch: are you actually running debian or raspbian? |
| 05:55.02 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: ok. should i disconnect my usb tethered connection first? |
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| 05:55.30 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, hm, in principle you don't need to; |
| 05:55.50 | chrisirc | just bring your wired interface up while the other is still running. |
| 05:56.16 | chrisirc | Depends on what you use to bring up interfaces. Network Manager? |
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| 05:56.51 | culleyetc00 | tcpdump: command not found |
| 05:57.02 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, also make sure tcpdump is installed -- apt-get install tcpdump |
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| 05:57.11 | culleyetc00 | :) |
| 05:58.25 | GorillaPatch | mumpitze1: I downloaded raspbian |
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| 05:58.47 | mumpitze1 | GorillaPatch: then ask in the raspbian channel |
| 05:58.51 | culleyetc00 | how can i tell apt-get to dl it not look in discs? |
| 05:59.07 | mumpitze1 | culleyetc00: edit your sources.list /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 05:59.09 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out/remove those lines |
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| 05:59.58 | GorillaPatch | mumpitze1: is it really that different? |
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| 06:00.13 | mumpitze1 | #debian supports debian only, yes |
| 06:00.15 | mumpitze1 | !raspbian |
| 06:00.16 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 06:00.17 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, also, a simpler thing to try first is to make sure the ethernet is actually physically connecting to the cable; I'm not sure whether all ethernet drivers do this, but the ones I've seen lately say in /var/log/kern.log when a cable is connected. |
| 06:00.42 | GorillaPatch | mumpitze1: Thanks anyway. |
| 06:00.54 | otend | what version should I use for compat-wireless/compat-drivers? |
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| 06:01.03 | otend | should it match my kernel version, or should I just use the newest? |
| 06:01.10 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, so, "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" then plug in the cable and see whether you see a new message appear. |
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| 06:02.15 | jmd | What is a reliable way to eject my cd door? |
| 06:02.19 | mumpitze1 | otend: you should use the newest. that's the whole point! |
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| 06:02.31 | mumpitze1 | jmd: unmount and then eject |
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| 06:03.01 | otend | mmkay. just wasn't sure. thanks! |
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| 06:03.14 | jmd | mumpitze1, It is already unmounted. What do you mean "eject"? How? |
| 06:03.26 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, ah, and I just noticed that the message only appears (for some drivers?) when the interface is brought up; if network-manager doesn't do that already, run "ifconfig eth0 up" (all of this needs root, i.e. prepend "sudo "). |
| 06:03.39 | mumpitze1 | jmd: apt-cache show eject |
| 06:04.10 | jmd | Oh. Thanks. |
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| 06:04.53 | roshan | hello... how do we create an iso from my wheezy installation |
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| 06:06.25 | clinton | any idea why grub rescue is throwing "symbol not found" errors? |
| 06:06.35 | roshan | hello |
| 06:07.03 | clinton | why is grub searching for symbols? what is it looking for? and how can I tell it where to look? |
| 06:07.17 | culleyetc00 | i get a segfault in nm-connection-editor |
| 06:07.23 | chrisirc | Rosha, hi; maybe nobody who's reading knows how to. Why not do a backup onto a hard drive (that's what I do)? |
| 06:07.31 | culleyetc00 | but no change with unplugging/plugging in ethernet cable |
| 06:08.15 | culleyetc00 | i'm using default gui thing to manage connections |
| 06:08.17 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, so, you've run "ifconfig eth0 up"? |
| 06:08.25 | chrisirc | aha; try that ^ |
| 06:08.35 | chrisirc | just to be sure; |
| 06:09.01 | mumpitze1 | clinton: how is your system set up? what controllers, what partitions etc? |
| 06:09.14 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: yes. terminal doesn't display a message when I run that |
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| 06:09.33 | clinton | mumpitze1: This happened just after an upgrade to wheezy |
| 06:09.58 | clinton | mumpitze1: two disks, one for home and one for everything else |
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| 06:10.11 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, good; "ifconfig eth0" should give a message that starts with "UP" in the 3rd line. |
| 06:10.41 | mumpitze1 | clinton: which one is disk1 in bios? |
| 06:10.48 | clinton | mumpitze1: doing an "ls" on my prefix (hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub does reveal files |
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| 06:10.58 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, if that doesn't make the kernel show something like "e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex" or so, then, hm, either the driver you're using is quiet, or perhaps the cable is broken. |
| 06:11.09 | clinton | mumpitze1: So I'm assuming it's picking the right disk yes? |
| 06:11.14 | otend | http://pastebin.com/EqbUR0zx :( |
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| 06:12.05 | clinton | mumpitze: ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub has a whole lot of .mod and .img files |
| 06:12.11 | otend | (this is the result of attempting to make compat-drivers |
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| 06:12.34 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, do you have an LED near the ethernet port that lights up when plugging in the cable? If so, does it light up? (it may only light up when ifconfig eth0 says UP) |
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| 06:13.13 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: there's no light on the machine. but I get the message from "ifconfig eth0" |
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| 06:13.58 | mumpitze1 | ,kernel |
| 06:13.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 06:15.07 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, ok, perhaps the cable or connector is bad, but let's proceed with tcpdump anyway; |
| 06:15.27 | chrisirc | run "tcpdump -i eth0 -n" without the -p |
| 06:16.00 | chrisirc | it should tell you whether there's any traffic on that cable. If it is silent, then you've got a problem with the connection. |
| 06:16.23 | culleyetc00 | ah, tcpdump is not available on i386 ? |
| 06:16.24 | chrisirc | (again, as root, i.e. "sudo ..." |
| 06:16.26 | chrisirc | ) |
| 06:16.32 | chrisirc | sure it is? |
| 06:16.47 | mumpitze1 | culleyetc00: you will have to install it. it is available |
| 06:16.54 | chrisirc | aha, that's the new package versioning |
| 06:17.02 | chrisirc | i.e. multiversioning or what it's called. |
| 06:17.07 | culleyetc00 | ok. never opening software center again :) |
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| 06:17.17 | chrisirc | just run apt-get install tcpdump and it will be installed |
| 06:17.59 | chrisirc | Debian Wheezy supports installation of the same package of different architectures at the same time |
| 06:18.09 | chrisirc | so that's why it will say tcpdump:i386 or so. |
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| 06:19.39 | Sevet | ,v tcpdump --arch i386 |
| 06:19.41 | judd | Package: tcpdump on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-1; wheezy: 4.3.0-1; jessie: 4.4.0-1; sid: 4.4.0-1 |
| 06:20.00 | culleyetc00 | ok just fixing repositories |
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| 06:20.33 | chrisirc | (or the reverse, tcpdump may *not* have the suffix for some reason, unlike some other packages, and perhaps that's what software center is telling you) |
| 06:21.09 | chrisirc | needs to read up about that new Debian feature |
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| 06:21.50 | Sevet | chrisirc: i think the suffix is (only) added by apt-get/aptitude/etc when it's not your main architecture |
| 06:21.58 | Sevet | (but could be wrong) |
| 06:22.09 | otend | any idea as to how to fix this problem and/or get/install /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/build on my system? |
| 06:23.01 | otend | ...ohhhhhhhhh |
| 06:23.05 | otend | nevermind, I think. |
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| 06:24.18 | culleyetc00 | ha 3 mins left on repositories. running wifi through smartphone through usb to pc. |
| 06:24.23 | otend | yep. I forgot to install the headers. whoops! |
| 06:24.55 | chrisirc | (culleyetc00, but you intend to use an ethernet cable, not wifi, on your laptop, right? just to be sure) |
| 06:26.03 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: yes. it's an old laptop with no wifi card. I have a usb-wifi adapter which works, but want to get ethernet cable working too for where it's available. |
| 06:26.10 | jmd | I was burning a DVD and got this message: |
| 06:26.13 | chrisirc | k |
| 06:26.16 | jmd | cdrskin: FATAL : SCSI error on write(895392,16): [2 04 08] Logical unit is not ready |
| 06:26.16 | jmd | cdrskin: SORRY : Asynchronous SCSI error on SYNCHRONIZE CACHE: [3 0C 00] Write error |
| 06:26.16 | jmd | Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 1833795584/1833762816 (895392 sectors). |
| 06:26.16 | jmd | cdrskin: FATAL : burning failed. |
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| 06:27.09 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, I just found a way to see whether the driver sees the ethernet carrier signal: "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier" should output "1". |
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| 06:27.53 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: the output is 0 |
| 06:28.07 | chrisirc | ("cat /sys/class/net/eth0/speed" will say "1000" for a gbit ethernet.) |
| 06:28.22 | chrisirc | hm well, another sign that you don't get any signal. |
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| 06:29.35 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: I get "Wired Network (Broadcom BCM4401 etc etc)" in network connections :S |
| 06:30.22 | chrisirc | I would expect that this should still return 1 from the .../carrier file. |
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| 06:30.58 | culleyetc00 | hmm yes makes sense |
| 06:31.16 | chrisirc | If you also don't see any traffic reported from tcpdump, it's definitive. |
| 06:31.42 | mumpitze1 | culleyetc00: firmware is installed? |
| 06:31.56 | clinton | any ideas about how to fix "symbol not found" errors coming out of grub rescue prompts? |
| 06:32.03 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: tcpdump returns this: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes |
| 06:32.10 | chrisirc | mumpitze1, He could "up" the interface, so that means yes he's got a driver.. |
| 06:32.21 | culleyetc00 | mumpitzel: I'm not sure that it is |
| 06:32.42 | mumpitze1 | chrisirc: that's great. did I ask for a driver? |
| 06:32.42 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, good, now wait a little bit (like 30 seconds), if there's nothing else showing up, then the line is dead. |
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| 06:32.53 | clinton | mumpitze1: ummm, I was upgrading to wheezy, ,was 2.6.32 |
| 06:33.00 | chrisirc | mumpitze1, or whatever the driver needs as a firmware, right? |
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| 06:33.30 | clinton | mumpitze: I'm not sure it's got to the point of loading the kernel yet though |
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| 06:34.56 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc: hmm tcpdump is not showing any other activity |
| 06:34.57 | roshan | how do we create an iso from a debian installation ? |
| 06:35.34 | mumpitze1 | BCM4401 does not require firmware according to dpkg. so that's no problem |
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| 06:36.21 | chrisirc | Ok, so I think we can conclude that there's no signal coming into culleyetc00 's laptop. |
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| 06:36.27 | culleyetc00 | tcpdump: WARNING: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 06:36.58 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, that doesn't matter; tcpdump still shows all traffic (at least with the -p option). |
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| 06:37.19 | chrisirc | culleyetc00, I just verified that it does for me. |
| 06:37.44 | otend_ | haha oops. there goes my wireless connection with that attempt. |
| 06:37.47 | otend_ | "[ 182.867050] cfg80211: Unknown symbol netdev_set_default_ethtool_ops (err 0)" |
| 06:37.58 | oops | okay otend_ |
| 06:38.36 | otend | whoops. sorry for beeping you. |
| 06:39.07 | jharri34 | otend: how do you beep people |
| 06:39.17 | culleyetc00 | chrisirc, mumpitze: thanks. I have to sign off. |
| 06:39.26 | chrisirc | np |
| 06:39.34 | otend | jharri34, saying their name, basically |
| 06:40.03 | jharri34 | oh ok |
| 06:40.10 | otend | anyway, should I just throw my hands up in the air and use the 3.8 kernel? |
| 06:40.22 | otend | (will that severely affect stability?) |
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| 06:41.09 | jharri34 | mumpitze did you ever see the paste bin post from early? |
| 06:41.29 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: I did, and I answered you. line 21. fix your xorg.conf |
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| 06:41.53 | chrisirc | otend, I've been using the kernel.org kernels on various machines for the longest time, with no problems at all; if Debian doesn't mess them up, then it won't matter whether you install the sid or whatever package. |
| 06:42.07 | otend | mmkay. just wanting to make sure. HERE WE GO |
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| 06:43.29 | chrisirc | otend, be aware that there are no security upgrades for sid/testing (hm wasn't that discussed recently though?), so just be sure that you regularly upgrade those too. |
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| 06:44.45 | chrisirc | otend, see http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 06:44.52 | jharri34 | mumpitze1 i dont have one |
| 06:46.08 | jharri34 | i did find / -name xqor.conf no results? |
| 06:47.08 | chrisirc | xorg.conf |
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| 06:48.57 | otend | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.03 | otend | oh boy, this'll be a fun one to fix |
| 06:49.26 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: and no xorg.conf.d/ either? |
| 06:49.56 | roshan | anyone know how to create an installable iso from debian installation |
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| 06:50.11 | mumpitze1 | roshan: clonezilla |
| 06:50.35 | roshan | while searching for clonezilla, i am getting some iso image only |
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| 06:50.48 | mumpitze1 | ,v clonezilla |
| 06:50.49 | judd | Package: clonezilla on i386 -- sid: 3.3.10-1 |
| 06:50.54 | mumpitze1 | interesting |
| 06:51.01 | jharri34 | mumpitze1 i do have both etc/X11/xorq.conf.d and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 06:52.07 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 06:52.19 | onebitxajax | i can't connect to tor network with debian sid |
| 06:52.21 | onebitxajax | /etc/tor/torrc http://paste.debian.net/9134/ |
| 06:52.31 | roshan | Does that work on wheezy |
| 06:52.34 | onebitxajax | there isn't any error in log, only connection refused |
| 06:52.47 | onebitxajax | roshan: i don't know, i don't have wheezy |
| 06:53.08 | roshan | ok |
| 06:53.14 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: anything inside those directories? |
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| 06:54.27 | boudiccas | how can i recover or change the password to keyring default as i'm unable to use gdebi without it please? |
| 06:54.35 | chrisirc | otend, not sure why you're getting that message; is there an issue installing newer initramfs-tools? (ok perhaps libc...)? |
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| 06:55.25 | chrisirc | otend, I tend to always recompile packages from sid instead of installing them directly; that will entail some lengthy compilation time though. |
| 06:56.23 | chrisirc | otend, well, in this case, recompiling the kernel doesn't make sense really, it's the initramfs-tools that's in user space; hence if installing newer initramfs-tools will break things, |
| 06:56.46 | mumpitze1 | ,depends initramfs-tools sid |
| 06:56.47 | judd | Package initramfs-tools in sid/i386 -- depends: klibc-utils (>= 2.0-1~), cpio, kmod | module-init-tools, udev. |
| 06:56.49 | chrisirc | recompile *that* package, not the kernel package. That would be less cpu intensive, too. And not so prone to security issues, thus no often compiing. |
| 06:56.54 | chrisirc | compiling. |
| 06:57.01 | mumpitze1 | ,depends klibc-utils sid |
| 06:57.02 | judd | Package klibc-utils in sid/i386 -- depends: libklibc (= 2.0.1-3.1). |
| 06:57.57 | mumpitze1 | otend: you can install initramfs-tools with your new kernel without a problem |
| 06:58.32 | jharri34 | <mumpitze1>: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d contains 20-nvidia.conf |
| 06:58.43 | jharri34 | <mumpitze1>: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d contains 10-evdev 50-synaptics.conf 50-vmouse.conf 50-wacom.conf |
| 06:59.04 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: and your nvidia conf is most likely broken |
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| 07:01.40 | otend | how should I get the source for initramfs-tools? |
| 07:01.49 | mumpitze1 | otend: don't. install the sid package |
| 07:01.56 | otend | oh. |
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| 07:02.01 | otend | sorry for being a bit thick tonight |
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| 07:03.37 | jharri34 | msg dpkg paste |
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| 07:04.46 | otend | thanks for all the help |
| 07:04.54 | mumpitze1 | otend: did it all install now? |
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| 07:05.26 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: I overloocked line 19 of your paste. there the actuall filename and line, and error message are clearly shown. |
| 07:05.48 | safridzal | hi all, I just install debian KDE using cd ISO downloaded using jigdo.. after I install synaptic, i cannot open it. my password always rejected.. what should i do? |
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| 07:06.13 | jharri34 | mumpitzel: http://paste.debian.net/9136/ here the conf file |
| 07:06.13 | boudiccas | safridzal, use the right password? |
| 07:06.17 | safridzal | i remember, at install, i choose to leave the root password blank |
| 07:06.20 | mumpitze1 | safridzal: did you set a root passwor on installation? which passowrd do you enter? the one for your user account? |
| 07:06.29 | safridzal | boudiccas: yes, it wors on sudo apt-get |
| 07:06.33 | safridzal | *works |
| 07:06.39 | boudiccas | safridzal, then set the roiot password |
| 07:06.47 | boudiccas | root |
| 07:06.50 | safridzal | err, how to? |
| 07:07.05 | safridzal | but i dont want root to ble able to login |
| 07:07.23 | mumpitze1 | safridzal: don't set it |
| 07:07.23 | safridzal | sorry for typo, new keyboard here :D |
| 07:08.02 | safridzal | okay, now, how to make synaptic works? i can use sudo apt-get just fine, but i still need synaptic :( |
| 07:08.28 | boudiccas | safridzal, without the root password you have a very unsafe system |
| 07:08.43 | mumpitze1 | safridzal: please ignore boudiccas |
| 07:08.46 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: stop this please |
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| 07:09.07 | DarthExpeditor | I'm having some difficulty setting up my vsftpd server. I have the server installed and when I attempt to connect to it I am unable to log in as if it doesn't recognize my username and password |
| 07:09.25 | safridzal | I prefer that root cannot login, use sudo instead |
| 07:09.38 | safridzal | thats why i leave the root password blank on installation |
| 07:09.45 | mumpitze1 | DarthExpeditor: grep local_enable /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 07:10.45 | wbill | DarthExpeditor: u sure there are no spaces before or after the id /pass |
| 07:10.59 | jharri34 | i added the ' " ' quotation mark to the config file |
| 07:11.11 | safridzal | On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use this program. >> I've add wheel group, and add my username on it, but still cannot open synaptic |
| 07:11.38 | boudiccas | safridzal, i dont understand why you are so adverse to setting a password for root. you are also root aren't you? its youir machine isn't it? |
| 07:11.44 | DarthExpeditor | yeah. |
| 07:11.50 | DarthExpeditor | I typed it myself |
| 07:11.51 | safridzal | boudiccas: yes, |
| 07:12.02 | DarthExpeditor | I'm trying to access at through a command prompt |
| 07:12.19 | DarthExpeditor | local_enable is already set |
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| 07:12.30 | safridzal | but i just dont like root to be able to login, (afaik, its the same on ubuntu) |
| 07:12.41 | boudiccas | safridzal, so root account and password are your failsafe against doing something stupid with your machine, surely? |
| 07:12.51 | wbill | sure the port nots already in use |
| 07:13.25 | safridzal | yea, i'm afraid if i login with root, i can break my os |
| 07:13.51 | boudiccas | safridzal, simple then, dont ever login as root but just use sudo |
| 07:14.01 | Azzy | boudiccas: I do not understand why you think he needs to enable the root account |
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| 07:14.46 | boudiccas | Azzy, because i believe that any machine without root is unsafe/dangerous |
| 07:14.53 | Azzy | boudiccas: That is absurd. |
| 07:14.57 | wbill | yea leave the root active and get hacked ... |
| 07:15.02 | safridzal | i'll google it for my self about should i enable root or not, thanks :D but, can i use my synaptic without creating root acount? |
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| 07:15.28 | Azzy | safridzal: You are having problems authenticating GUI programs with gksu or something, yes? |
| 07:16.03 | safridzal | Azzy: im using kde, and the terminal says that kdesudo bash: kdesudo: command not found |
| 07:16.17 | safridzal | same goes to gksudo |
| 07:16.24 | safridzal | or gksu |
| 07:17.06 | mumpitze1 | safridzal: kdesu should exist |
| 07:17.38 | safridzal | mumpitze1: bash: kdesu: command not found |
| 07:17.50 | jharri34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.50 | boudiccas | safridzal, if you can do sudo apt-get, can you not also do sudo synaptic? |
| 07:18.02 | safridzal | is that because i've install using cd iso? |
| 07:18.16 | safridzal | No protocol specified |
| 07:18.19 | mumpitze1 | safridzal: dpkg -l kde-runtime | tail -1 |
| 07:18.23 | safridzal | (synaptic:11347): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 |
| 07:18.40 | safridzal | ii kde-runtime 4:4.8.4-2 amd64 runtime components from the official KDE release |
| 07:19.04 | safridzal | my sources.list tracking testing right now |
| 07:19.41 | mumpitze1 | !tell jharri34 about nvidia dkms |
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| 07:22.40 | Azzy | Sorry, got distracted there. So kdesu and kdesudo commands are both giving you "Not found" errors? |
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| 07:22.51 | safridzal | Azzy: yes |
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| 07:23.34 | Azzy | And I know this sounds dumb, but you're certain you've got the package for it installed? |
| 07:23.40 | safridzal | Azzy: do i need to download the dvd ISO and reinstall using it? |
| 07:23.55 | safridzal | the package for it >> means synaptic ? yes |
| 07:24.27 | Azzy | Shouldn't be any reason to reinstall, no. |
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| 07:24.45 | Azzy | I meant the actual "kdesu" or "kdesudo" package |
| 07:25.09 | safridzal | okay thanks :D the dvd is 4.4Gb and my inet is so slow.. eh? is there "kdesu" package? |
| 07:25.16 | safridzal | wait, apt-get it |
| 07:25.39 | Azzy | (I'm not a KDE person, so I'm not sure 100% on anything here, for the record, but I'm assuming it's pretty similar.) |
| 07:25.42 | safridzal | ouch, still configuring on apt-get upgrade now |
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| 07:26.17 | safridzal | cannot apt-get install kdesu.. Azzy can you look on your synaptic for me? |
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| 07:26.44 | Azzy | Already checking, one sec |
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| 07:28.01 | Azzy | kdesudo is available as a stand-alone, trying to figure out which package includes kdesu right now |
| 07:28.50 | safridzal | Azzy: so i should be able to apt-get install kdesudo ? ugh,.. why the configure process took so long... |
| 07:28.59 | Azzy | Ah, this may help you http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50788 |
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| 07:30.02 | Azzy | But yeah, you should just be able to apt-get install kdesudo at the very least |
| 07:30.11 | safridzal | A default Debian KDE install now includes kdesudo so I just use that, does the job. If you prefer su to sudo just symlink it. >> such a lie |
| 07:30.36 | safridzal | i'm using debian iso KDE cd 1 and i'm not getting kdesudo |
| 07:31.06 | safridzal | lol |
| 07:31.22 | wbill | that post i old did they move the actual path again? |
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| 07:32.11 | wbill | mlocate kdesudo? |
| 07:32.39 | safridzal | wbill: no result on that command |
| 07:33.04 | babilen | Err, no ... don't symlink su to sudo or anything like that. |
| 07:33.20 | wbill | i digress i have no box in front of me at present |
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| 07:33.48 | safridzal | babilen: i just quote from http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50788 |
| 07:33.53 | babilen | *shudder* |
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| 07:36.28 | babilen | safridzal: Ah, that's not *that* bad ... But then, you probably still want to use kdesudo. If it works anything like gtksu/gtksudo you can configure the exact mechanism by which it acquires superuser privileges (su/sudo) somewhere. But I am not a KDE user and can't really help with that. |
| 07:36.55 | safridzal | yey, it works :D after install kdesudo :D |
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| 07:37.59 | safridzal | should i write bug report about synaptic should include kdesudo as dependency ?? |
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| 07:38.39 | safridzal | btw, thanks babilen Azzy mumpitze1 wbill :D |
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| 07:39.02 | switching | wahoo moving to debian from ubuntu |
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| 07:39.12 | asdjaputra | congratulations! |
| 07:39.30 | babilen | safridzal: It might make sense to add it to synaptic's Recommends - Another approach would be to have some kde package depend on it. |
| 07:39.31 | switching | :) |
| 07:39.39 | Azzy | Glad you got it working! |
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| 07:40.01 | babilen | judd: why kde-plasma-desktop synaptic |
| 07:40.01 | switching | azzy moving^^ not moved yet |
| 07:40.02 | project2501a | switching: congratulations! Best of luck. |
| 07:40.05 | switching | :) |
| 07:40.10 | switching | ty |
| 07:40.11 | project2501a | you will need it. |
| 07:40.28 | judd | No dependency chain found between packages kde-plasma-desktop and synaptic in wheezy/i386. |
| 07:40.29 | switching | especially since i cannot do a net install |
| 07:40.34 | Azzy | I was talking to safridzal, but good luck to you on the move too ;) |
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| 07:40.41 | project2501a | switching: in debian or ubuntu? |
| 07:40.43 | switching | azzy oic whoops |
| 07:40.51 | switching | project2501a either |
| 07:41.03 | project2501a | switching: how will then moving to ubuntu help you? |
| 07:41.07 | switching | my wireless adapter is not compatible with linux |
| 07:41.13 | switching | project2501a im moving to debian |
| 07:41.16 | Azzy | And welcome to Debian, prepare to tear out your hair (but it's worth it... eventually.) :P |
| 07:41.20 | project2501a | compile your own kernel then. |
| 07:41.37 | switching | project2501a i'm not complaining, ndiswrapper works great! |
| 07:41.42 | project2501a | hm |
| 07:41.56 | project2501a | ok. apologies, too many users this morning |
| 07:42.02 | Azzy | project2501a: He's moving FROM ubuntu to debian |
| 07:42.03 | asdjaputra | your wireless adapter not compatible? than you're not searching hard enough ;) |
| 07:42.08 | project2501a | too many users not willing to pick up a book. |
| 07:42.10 | babilen | fears judd's reply and wishes he had asked the bot in private … |
| 07:42.15 | switching | azzy thank you :) |
| 07:42.53 | switching | asdjaputra ubuntu documentation has a page on how to install my wireless adapter using ndiswrapper, i don't think it's compatible |
| 07:43.03 | switching | project2501a what book am i not willing to pick up? |
| 07:43.13 | project2501a | switching: nono, not you. just my users. |
| 07:43.18 | project2501a | i admin scientists. |
| 07:43.21 | babilen | switching: I would recommend to take a look at http://debian-handbook.info/ -- Which wireless adaptor do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 07:43.27 | project2501a | they keep me... happy |
| 07:43.28 | switching | project2501a ahhhh haha |
| 07:43.36 | switching | i see :P |
| 07:44.01 | switching | netgear wg311v3 babilen |
| 07:44.06 | project2501a | they put a smile on my face... |
| 07:44.12 | project2501a | *puke* |
| 07:44.34 | babilen | switching: May I see the output of the command I mentioned or don't you have access to a Linux box right now? |
| 07:44.46 | switching | babilen i'm currently in winblows xp |
| 07:44.54 | switching | project2501a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU |
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| 07:45.18 | asdjaputra | butnut, winblows, are there anything for debian? |
| 07:45.23 | babilen | Sorry, but could we focus on support in here and chat in #debian-offtopic? |
| 07:45.34 | switching | sorry |
| 07:45.40 | solrize | any idea how to get rid of apache2 and samba from a debian system? apt-get remove doesn't find the right packages and aptitude crashes with a c++ assertion error |
| 07:46.05 | switching | babilen Marvell 88w8355 "Libertas" is the chipset |
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| 07:46.05 | babilen | switching: Okay, are you aware of a method to get the PCIID of that card in Windows? (An alphanumerical identifier) |
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| 07:46.24 | switching | babilen nope |
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| 07:46.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching about 88W8335 |
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| 07:47.37 | switching | it said to use ndiswrapper :P |
| 07:47.38 | babilen | switching: Yeah, looks as if you have to go down the ndiswrapper rabbit hole - Just wanted to confirm that. |
| 07:47.39 | switching | babilen |
| 07:47.59 | switching | well i have used it quite a few times so it shouldn't be an issue |
| 07:48.09 | switching | it just means i will have to install off of cd #1 and go from there |
| 07:48.22 | switching | are there any critical packages not included on cd #1? |
| 07:48.28 | switching | like GNOME? :P |
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| 07:48.42 | babilen | switching: Sure - See http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper for Debian specific instructions. |
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| 07:49.11 | switching | babilen thanks, i have that saved to a flash drive already along with all the ndiswrapper .debs :D |
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| 07:49.32 | babilen | switching: Choosing the best image depends on a number of factors - Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? How can you connect to that internet connection? Do you want to install Gnome (i.e. Gnome 3) or do you prefer a different desktop environment? |
| 07:49.50 | switching | no internet connection during install |
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| 07:50.08 | switching | i dont mind gnome |
| 07:50.09 | babilen | switching: Not at all? Would it be hard to change that? |
| 07:50.22 | switching | not at all, and yes |
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| 07:51.54 | switching | babilen |
| 07:51.56 | switching | ^ |
| 07:52.04 | switching | is it possible to install off of cd #1 only? |
| 07:52.09 | switching | the folks in #linux said it was |
| 07:52.23 | babilen | switching: Okay, that is slightly suboptimal as the Debian system will be configured in offline mode and you will have to configure your /etc/apt/sources.list to use online repositories manually. But that is not a huge problem. I would recommend to use either CD1 or DVD1 for the installation. I would furthermore recommend to download the firmware package from our servers so you have that ready if/when you need that. |
| 07:52.43 | switching | link to firmware package? |
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| 07:53.05 | babilen | switching: Yes, you can even install from a netinstall without network, but that, naturally, wouldn't include X or a desktop environment or any of that modern nonsense ;) |
| 07:53.27 | babilen | switching: I'll get to links in a second -- do you plan to install from CD or from USB ? |
| 07:53.53 | switching | babilen: it depends, does cd#1 have a desktop environment on it? |
| 07:53.55 | switching | and guide to manual configuration of sources list? |
| 07:54.09 | switching | or is that gui based? |
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| 07:54.54 | switching | also how do you install all the packages from cds 2-8 once i'm online? |
| 07:55.00 | babilen | switching: No, I simply mean: Do you plan to burn the image to a blank CD or would you want to install from a USB stick? |
| 07:55.05 | switching | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:55.15 | switching | i already burnt it to a cd babilen |
| 07:55.16 | babilen | switching: Once you are online you simply download the packages from the internet. |
| 07:55.29 | switching | babilen ok sweet |
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| 07:55.33 | babilen | switching: Okay - I have all the information I need. One second please. |
| 07:55.39 | babilen | processes |
| 07:55.42 | switching | thanks |
| 07:56.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching about installer firmware |
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| 07:56.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching -about ig |
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| 07:57.39 | babilen | switching: You can download the firmare from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stable/current/ and *unpack* that zip/tar.gz on a USB stick. You might be asked to provide that during the installation, but you can also install necessary packages manually *after* the installation. |
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| 07:58.06 | switching | ok ty, and what is the firmware for again? :P |
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| 07:58.54 | switching | babilen |
| 07:59.26 | babilen | switching: Okay, http://paste.debian.net/9138/ is a very complete sources.list for wheezy that you might want to adapt to your needs. It uses a meta-mirror that picks the "best" mirror for you automagically. See http://http.debian.net and "man sources.list" along with http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html#sect.apt-sources.list for further information |
| 07:59.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching -about firmware |
| 08:00.22 | babilen | switching: Some of your hardware *might* require non-free binary code (firmware) to function properly. It is simply a good idea to have this around in case you need it. |
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| 08:00.55 | switching | ok sweet thanks |
| 08:01.03 | switching | also i will be on irc on my ipod or phone or something when i install |
| 08:01.07 | switching | which will probably be tomorrow |
| 08:01.15 | switching | (it is nighttime) |
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| 08:02.11 | babilen | switching: Another thing that, unfortunately, not many people know about is that your processor itself requires up-to-date software to function properly as well. This software is called "microcode" and updated if you flash a new firmware version for, say, your motherboard. |
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| 08:03.03 | switching | babilen how does that affect the install? |
| 08:03.12 | babilen | switching: As not many people update firmware frequently or the mainboard vendors don't provide updates in time you might end up with a "buggy" processor. These bugs are typically *very* hard to diagnose ... Luckily Linux offers a method to load up-to-date microcode during the boot. |
| 08:03.13 | switching | babilen is it another reason for possibly needing firmware? |
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| 08:03.38 | switching | babilen i see, will it be obvious if there are bugs? |
| 08:03.39 | babilen | switching: It doesn't affect the installation, but I don't want you to forget about it as this point is not common knowledge |
| 08:03.51 | switching | babilen ah i see |
| 08:03.59 | switching | my processor is ancient |
| 08:04.06 | switching | 3.06 ghz pentium 4 |
| 08:04.10 | babilen | switching: Well, "something somewhere" might not work, but you'll have no idea that the processor is to blame. Do you have an AMD or an Intel processor? |
| 08:04.18 | babilen | Ah, thanks. |
| 08:04.29 | switching | it's 64-bit though, surprisingly enough |
| 08:04.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching about microcode |
| 08:05.15 | switching | wait, so i just have to do apt-get install intel-microcode if i want to fix the problem? |
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| 08:05.57 | switching | assuming there is one |
| 08:06.22 | babilen | switching: So, just use my sources.list, run "apt-get update" and make sure to install the intel-microcode package. If you want to check that it changed something run "grep microcode /proc/cpuinfo" before you install that package, then install it an reboot and run that command again. If the output changed you now have a newer version. |
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| 08:07.55 | babilen | switching: You should *always* have that package installed. Every system requires a bug-free and working processor and installing that package is one way to ensure that you have the up-to-date version after it is loaded during the boot. If you already have the newest version than it won't hurt and you still now that you'll get the newest version if there ever is one. |
| 08:08.10 | switching | gotcha |
| 08:08.15 | switching | thank you soooooo much |
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| 08:08.36 | babilen | switching: There is simply no reason why not everybody would want to install that package *unless* for philosophical reasons. But then, you would simply accept that you have to use buggy hardware. |
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| 08:08.45 | babilen | switching: Is there anything else I can help you with? |
| 08:08.54 | switching | babilen why don't they put it in the core? |
| 08:09.00 | switching | and no, thank you! |
| 08:09.30 | babilen | switching: It is non-free software and we don't force users to use that |
| 08:09.56 | babilen | switching: What about your graphic card? What do you use and do you have a preference regarding its driver/module ? |
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| 08:10.11 | switching | ah i see |
| 08:10.17 | boudiccas | due to having screwed up the 'virtual machine manager' and kvm/qemu whilst trying to load up a vbox-only images, and with the help of #virtd, i now wish to remove kvm/qemu, purge it, and the reinstall it such that it then works properly. but, how to do it please? |
| 08:11.07 | switching | babilen it's a geforce 210 |
| 08:11.18 | switching | babilen on ubuntu i was using proprietary drivers |
| 08:11.19 | babilen | boudiccas: And yeah, using a vbox image with, well, anything that isn't virtualbox is not going to work. |
| 08:11.25 | switching | they seemed to work a bit better |
| 08:11.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching -about nvidia dkms |
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| 08:11.55 | dutchfish | boudiccas, normally a `aptitude purge foo && aptitude install foo` would do, but i recommend backing up your configs in front. Do you have backups? |
| 08:11.56 | switching | babilen i can barely read that |
| 08:11.59 | switching | lol |
| 08:12.18 | babilen | switching: The installation of those drivers is detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- Do yourself a favour and follow them. You *do not* need a xorg.conf and you don't want to run nvidia-xconfig or anything like that. |
| 08:13.13 | boudiccas | dutchfish, yes, but its the configs that are screwed up. it wont even start 'libvirtd' |
| 08:13.55 | dutchfish | boudiccas, ok, then purge | look for any left over configs, remove manually if needed | install again |
| 08:14.01 | babilen | switching: Well, it is a *very* optimised factoid that simply works for every user. The wiki provides more information -- The "uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" command simply figures out the architecture of your system (amd64 for example) -- Which means that if you install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') on an amd64 system you install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 08:14.55 | jelly-home | it's optimized tofit in 240 characters, rather than being optimized for understanding |
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| 08:16.20 | switching | babilen ok cool well i already have linux-headers-amd64 downloaded because i think it is a dependency of ndiswrapper |
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| 08:17.41 | switching | babilen wait no it's not a dependency but the first ndiswrapper install command is: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 wireless-tools |
| 08:17.42 | babilen | switching: That package is just a metapackage that ensures that you already have the latest *real* package with the headers installed. |
| 08:18.21 | dutchfish | boudiccas, dpkg-query -L foo | grep '/etc' will list all the orig configs |
| 08:18.24 | babilen | switching: Do you require all those packages *before* you are online as you can only connect to the internet via wireless (and therefore your wireless adaptor has to work) ? |
| 08:18.40 | boudiccas | dutchfish, ah thanks, thats brilliant |
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| 08:18.47 | switching | babilen that is correct :/ |
| 08:19.07 | switching | babilen i am hoping some of the dependencies will be on cd#1 |
| 08:19.16 | switching | babilen but i have most downloaded to a flash drive |
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| 08:19.22 | babilen | switching: Hmm, that is slightly suboptimal |
| 08:19.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching -about cd content |
| 08:19.30 | switching | babilen only slightly (not) |
| 08:20.18 | babilen | switching: Let me check which image contains those packages (in particular the ndiswrapper and linux-header ones -- I would be surprised if they are on CD1, but you might find them on DVD1) |
| 08:20.30 | switching | babilen woah thank you |
| 08:21.06 | switching | ndiswrapper> cd #18!?!? |
| 08:21.11 | switching | i thought there were 8?? |
| 08:21.27 | babilen | switching: yeah, ndiswrapper-dkms is on cd19 and DVD3 :( |
| 08:21.34 | switching | 19?!?!? |
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| 08:21.50 | ectospasm | debian is BIG |
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| 08:22.44 | switching | but there are only 8 here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 08:22.46 | babilen | switching: Those CDs contain *all* packages in Debian sorted by popularity -- Debian contains more than 35k packages, so you shouldn't be surprised. |
| 08:22.48 | switching | ectospasm^ |
| 08:23.00 | switching | oh |
| 08:23.13 | switching | how big IS it? |
| 08:23.17 | babilen | switching: We don't build all of them as they aren't used frequently enough and users who *really* need them can build them themselves. |
| 08:23.19 | switching | my hdd is like 120 |
| 08:23.28 | switching | babilen got it |
| 08:23.57 | babilen | switching: No, you don't have to install all the software that is in Debian. It is simply that the CD/DVD/BD sets would allow you to install all of them even if you were never online. |
| 08:24.04 | switching | i'm getting more and more of a feeling that this will be a total crapshoot |
| 08:24.13 | switching | some dependency will be missing and i won't have it downloaded |
| 08:24.32 | babilen | switching: Hmm ... hmm ... In the light of this I would recommend to go somewhere where you can connect to the internet via ethernet. Would that be a possibility? |
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| 08:25.14 | babilen | switching: That is exactly my feeling too -- I mean we can surely make it work and you can dowload missing dependencies as you run into them, but this is not necessarily going to be completely easy. |
| 08:25.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell switching about apt-zip |
| 08:25.33 | switching | babilen it would be a PIA, but i could make it happen |
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| 08:26.32 | switching | babilen and then idk if i have an ethernet cord lying around |
| 08:26.33 | switching | lol |
| 08:27.20 | babilen | switching: Okay, I see three options: 1. (best) Go somewhere where you can have internet access during the installation 2. Use apt-zip to download packages on another computer (if available) that allows you to use wget 3. Download all DVD images and burn them (say, up to 4) |
| 08:27.46 | switching | babilen there's a small chance i have 4 dvds |
| 08:27.54 | dutchfish | or if you run more then a few machines, run your own partial mirror |
| 08:28.06 | switching | babilen would that include everything? more specifically ndiswrapper? |
| 08:28.21 | babilen | Or .... just buy a £15 wireless adaptor that isn't as horrible as the one you have. Preferably one with Atheros that does not require firmware |
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| 08:28.43 | switching | babilen that is an option too lol |
| 08:29.02 | switching | #2 is an option if i can get wget on an iphone :P |
| 08:29.12 | babilen | switching: ndiswrapper-{dkms,common, ...} are on DVD-3 -- linux-headers are on DVD1 ... |
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| 08:29.23 | switching | ndiswrapper-utils? |
| 08:29.33 | babilen | switching: So you only have a single computer and you would have to render that unusable in order to install Debian? |
| 08:30.00 | babilen | switching: DVD3 as well -- See http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 08:30.10 | switching | babilen cool |
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| 08:30.35 | babilen | switching: Looks as if you might be alright with, say, the first 4 DVDs -- but I haven't checked everything. |
| 08:30.36 | switching | babilen what do you mean render unusable? it would still have xp on the other partition |
| 08:30.54 | switching | where can i download #4 from?? it isn't online |
| 08:30.58 | switching | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 08:31.11 | patsToms | morning. maybe some offtopik here, sorry about that. But question is like that - can I host clocks on windows with on Debian hosted NTP server? |
| 08:31.20 | switching | also will the installer tell me when i need to change cds? |
| 08:31.21 | patsToms | s/offtopik/offtopic |
| 08:31.23 | switching | *dvd |
| 08:31.40 | patsToms | s/host/sync |
| 08:31.51 | babilen | switching: Yeah, sure ... I mean, yet another option, is to simply boot Debian install packages manually (dpkg -i /path/to/the/package.deb) and its dependencies and then reboot into Windows to download packages/dependencies as you need them ... install those until the packaging system is happy. You can download packages from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 08:32.19 | switching | babilen that seems painstakingly slow |
| 08:32.24 | babilen | switching: I haven't used apt-zip before, but it might be possible to use it from Windows too -- It essentially automates the approach I mentioned in the last message. |
| 08:32.34 | switching | babilen i see |
| 08:32.50 | babilen | switching: yeah, that approach is quite suboptimal too. I would personally simply recommend to download as many DVDs as you can |
| 08:32.52 | switching | dang i see why ubuntu is the noob distro |
| 08:33.02 | switching | babilen where is #4? |
| 08:33.04 | switching | and 5 |
| 08:33.05 | switching | ^ |
| 08:33.08 | switching | *6 |
| 08:33.22 | babilen | That wouldn't be a problem for me, as I have enough bandwidth to waste and wouldn't mind buying some blanks, but I have no idea if that is appropriate for you. |
| 08:34.08 | babilen | switching: As I mentioned earlier: We do not build them as they are not frequently used and would just waste space on the mirrors. You can build them yourself (on a Linux system, hah!) with jigdo ... |
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| 08:34.32 | babilen | switching: But so far it seems as if you would be fine with DVD 1-3 :-/ |
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| 08:34.44 | switching | babilen ok i will give it a shot tomorrow |
| 08:34.48 | switching | most probably |
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| 08:34.55 | switching | might go the ethernet route |
| 08:34.57 | switching | we'll see |
| 08:35.01 | babilen | switching: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 08:35.02 | switching | it may not be possible |
| 08:35.10 | ectospasm | couldn't he just get a list of all the packages he needs, download them from packages.debian.org, and "sideload" them into the Debian install? |
| 08:35.18 | babilen | switching: Ah, you can get jigdo for Windows |
| 08:35.26 | switching | babilen sweet! |
| 08:35.42 | babilen | ectospasm: That is what apt-zip is doing |
| 08:35.59 | switching | babilen thanks a ton for your help, i'm gonna get some sleep for now |
| 08:36.08 | babilen | switching: But still, I am under the impression that you are fine with DVD 1-3 -- 1-4 is, naturally, better and 1-5 even more so .. (and so on) |
| 08:36.27 | babilen | switching: Sure, sleep tight and see you around. Sorry that this is so complicated. |
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| 08:36.40 | babilen | blames your shitty wireless adaptor though ;) |
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| 08:36.58 | switching | babilen not your fault, mostly that ethernet is a pain to access |
| 08:37.03 | switching | cya round! |
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| 09:01.31 | Giles | Hi, how can I list the size of files in a directory with du, but not include any symbolic links? |
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| 09:01.57 | Giles | I would like the files in name order. |
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| 09:03.23 | mumpitze1 | Giles: du -D |sort -n ? |
| 09:03.25 | jelly-home | Giles: du is more suitable for aggregated totals, so use ls instead |
| 09:04.47 | Giles | mumpitze1: I don't want to follow the symbolic links, I want to just not include them...or is that the same thing? |
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| 09:09.11 | Giles | mumpitze1: it is, ok right. |
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| 09:17.13 | WormFood | when I clone a debian machine, that I want to run on the same network...what all do I need to change? Obviously the IP and hostname, but anything else? |
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| 09:19.23 | helpcrypto | hi |
| 09:19.26 | helpcrypto | talking about shared libraries i have readed "debian naming convention", but it doesnt states nothing about "valid characters for name". May i call my library lib-as-df-gh.so.1.2.3.4.5 ? |
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| 09:23.24 | mumpitze1 | helpcrypto: yes. but the numbers have a meaning you shouldn't discard |
| 09:24.07 | helpcrypto | sure |
| 09:24.59 | helpcrypto | mumpitze1: the fact is this library being used by some others, and i name it common, but "libcommon" is quite bad name. any idea how could i avoid name collision? |
| 09:26.56 | mumpitze1 | by renaming it from common to something else. what's the name of your main program |
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| 09:28.06 | helpcrypto | pong |
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| 09:28.36 | mumpitze1 | libcompong? |
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| 09:28.45 | helpcrypto | ok, perfect |
| 09:28.49 | helpcrypto | thx mumpitze1 ! |
| 09:28.55 | helpcrypto | bye |
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| 09:32.30 | cardiel | im going to setup a repo for a package. which software is lightest on resources? |
| 09:33.39 | ectospasm | cardiel: you might have better luck on #debian-mentors |
| 09:33.57 | ectospasm | cardiel: (that's on oftc.net, btw) |
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| 09:39.23 | vadimkolchev | hi all. new user here :) |
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| 09:50.52 | jmd | When trying to burn a DVD I get an error: cdrskin: FATAL : Cannot reserve track of 4939251712 bytes. Why can it not reserve such a track? |
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| 09:52.10 | vadimkolchev | jmd, are you sure that DVD has enough size for what you are trying to burn onto it? |
| 09:52.31 | jmd | The DVD is supposed to be a 4.7G disk |
| 09:52.36 | dzragon | jmd seems you are trying to burn too large a track |
| 09:52.55 | dzragon | try "overburning" if the program has such a feature |
| 09:52.59 | dzragon | and you burner |
| 09:53.06 | vadimkolchev | jmd, it is supposed, but even if you 1kb more - it will fail |
| 09:53.32 | jmd | Do the math. 4939251712 is 4.6GB |
| 09:53.44 | jmd | there should be 100M still free |
| 09:54.02 | vadimkolchev | jmd, what are you trying to burn? |
| 09:54.11 | jmd | a cpio archive |
| 09:54.15 | ectospasm | My math says that is 4710MB |
| 09:54.26 | vadimkolchev | ectospasm, )) |
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| 09:55.11 | dzragon | i didnt do math, but if thats the msg you get the logic would be you are trying to burn too large |
| 09:55.11 | ectospasm | if you have multiple disks, split it into two using "split" |
| 09:55.28 | jmd | ectospasm, and how many GB are in 4700MB ? |
| 09:55.34 | vadimkolchev | jmd, in fact, it cannot reserve the track and there can be two reasons - your dvd is corrupted or your file is of greater size than can fit. |
| 09:55.35 | jmd | 4.589 |
| 09:55.37 | dzragon | so redo math again to see if your math aint wrong :P |
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| 09:56.11 | mumpitze1 | jmd: no there aren't. there are exactly 4700 in GB |
| 09:56.13 | ectospasm | bash integer math tells me 4 (-; |
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| 09:56.31 | jmd | 1GB = 1024 MB |
| 09:56.33 | mumpitze1 | *exactly 4.7GB in 4700MB |
| 09:56.35 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 09:56.39 | mumpitze1 | 1GB = 1000 MB |
| 09:56.51 | jmd | No. 1GiB = 1000MB |
| 09:57.28 | mumpitze1 | kilo is the prefix for 1000 so. 1000 bytes = 1 Kilobyte. 1024 Bytes = 1 Kibibyte |
| 09:57.30 | beardy | Well more people than you have obviously been confused about that. It tells you it is too large, believe it. |
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| 09:57.55 | mumpitze1 | jmd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte |
| 09:58.02 | vadimkolchev | beardy, he was already told so, but he does not believe)) |
| 09:58.15 | jmd | mumpitze1, Right. Have you actually read that page? |
| 09:58.19 | mumpitze1 | jmd: i kilojoule are not 1024 joules |
| 09:58.31 | mumpitze1 | jmd: yes. have you? |
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| 09:58.41 | beardy | vadimkolchev: I Want To Believe |
| 09:58.51 | mumpitze1 | it clearly says: gigabyte (GB) 10^9 bytes |
| 09:58.55 | jmd | mumpitze1, I have. And your answers make it clear that you haven't |
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| 09:59.44 | mumpitze1 | jmd: so you still claim 1 Gigabyte is 1024 Megabytes? |
| 09:59.58 | mumpitze1 | sorry. 1000 megabytes |
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| 10:00.53 | entitativity | 1 kb = 1024 b when concerning ram, but 1 kb = 1000 b when concerning most drive storage media. |
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| 10:01.04 | entitativity | thought that was strange |
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| 10:01.28 | dzragon | the program believes its too large, just have to believe in the program being wrong, it still wont burn it if it believes it to be |
| 10:01.32 | dzragon | wrong size |
| 10:01.35 | mumpitze1 | cause you cannot build a RAM chip with 1000 bytes capacity entitativity |
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| 10:02.19 | entitativity | just popping in for a quick moment mumpitze1 :) I did not know that. |
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| 10:03.12 | mumpitze1 | ssds are actually made with 1024 too, they use the 24 "left over" bytes for error correction, wear leveling, etc |
| 10:03.29 | entitativity | kibibytes... is that pretty much a microsoft thing? |
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| 10:03.53 | vadimkolchev | lol, microsoft is funny. they try to make me use i386 architecture to use skype and add i386 repos here instead of producing 64-bit version |
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| 10:04.51 | mumpitze1 | entitativity: no, it's an official IEC thing. Microsoft doesn't use them: they write "kB" but use kibibytes |
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| 10:05.06 | entitativity | strange |
| 10:05.11 | entitativity | figures though |
| 10:05.14 | ectospasm | do they use kB or KB? |
| 10:05.29 | mumpitze1 | they use kilobytes in their notation but mean kibibytes |
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| 10:07.27 | vadimkolchev | kilo means 1000 everywhere. period. Go and buy a kilo of sugar. Will they intend you to give 1024 grams instead of 1000? :) |
| 10:08.10 | ectospasm | No, they'll intend that I pay them, not give them the sugar back (-; |
| 10:08.12 | jmd | In the domain of computer memory, it is a long established convention that kB means 1024B |
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| 10:10.02 | entitativity | vadimkolchev well, have you tried to buy a kilo of sugar from microsoft? |
| 10:10.14 | entitativity | lol. maybe you'll be surprised |
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| 10:11.28 | vadimkolchev | jmd, I bought 500 Gb hdd. fdisk says me it is 500.1 Gb. But df -h gives me less. Fdisk, for example, uses SI system,and not convention you specified |
| 10:12.03 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: fdisk doesn't care about filesystem metadata and reserved space. df however does |
| 10:13.10 | dzragon | had 4 old 500Gb in my system and windows said theyre 465 big |
| 10:13.23 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, i mean total, i just tried to show him the difference between df -h and df -H and explain that some programs may use such principle as in df -H and he counts his files as a df -h system |
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| 10:15.40 | jmd | df du and most utilites use 1024 |
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| 10:17.55 | vadimkolchev | jmd, i meant that you count your files to be less than the burning program considers them to be |
| 10:18.24 | vadimkolchev | jmd, or your disk more than it is |
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| 10:19.04 | jmd | vadimkolchev, You could be right. |
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| 10:48.11 | jmd | How long should it typically take to burn a 4.7 GB DVD ? |
| 10:48.35 | daemonkeeper | Your drive knows. We don't. |
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| 10:57.16 | dekiss | can I install google chrome in debian 7? |
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| 10:57.32 | ectospasm | dekiss: yes, but why isn't chromium good enough for you? |
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| 10:57.59 | dekiss | chromium has development tools? |
| 10:58.10 | ectospasm | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome |
| 10:58.17 | dekiss | I mean that windows that appears at bottom of the browser |
| 10:58.26 | dekiss | on the F12 key |
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| 10:59.28 | ectospasm | dekiss: yes |
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| 11:00.34 | ectospasm | Ctrl+Shift+I will bring up the developer tools as well |
| 11:00.43 | dekiss | ok thanks |
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| 11:01.35 | sssilver | Hello gentlemen. A process named 'whiptail' is consuming 100% on my remote Debian server. What gives? |
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| 11:01.46 | asdffdsa123 | hello |
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| 11:02.26 | asdffdsa123 | how can I statically pair up ip addresses with domain names? |
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| 11:02.33 | asdffdsa123 | I thought it was in resolv.conf |
| 11:02.45 | dekiss | should I install chromium or chromium-web browser? |
| 11:02.57 | dekiss | I have two packages in synaptic manager IM not sure how they differ and what should I install? |
| 11:03.06 | ectospasm | sssilver: according to packages.d.o, whiptail is a dialog replacement for ncurses, uses the newt windowing library. |
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| 11:03.17 | ectospasm | My guess is some process is causing that to peg. |
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| 11:04.02 | ectospasm | asdffdsa123: try /etc/hosts |
| 11:04.15 | asdffdsa123 | ectospasm: thanks |
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| 11:04.33 | sssilver | ectospasm: can I find out which process it is? |
| 11:04.53 | ectospasm | sssilver: top should display the PID |
| 11:05.16 | sssilver | I see the PID, but shouldn't I try to see the parent of that process? |
| 11:05.21 | mumpitze1 | sssilver: use pstree |
| 11:05.31 | sssilver | thanks mumpitze1 |
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| 11:06.27 | ectospasm | sssilver: use ps -ef --forest, and find it in the list. |
| 11:06.28 | sssilver | http://bpaste.net/show/h9H0F63o88P5a3A3yI0Z/ this is what pstree looks like... so it's Apache? |
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| 11:07.04 | sssilver | ectospasm: http://bpaste.net/show/ewjNZZXSKfW4IWmjeVt8/ |
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| 11:07.47 | mumpitze1 | your whiptail is spawned directly by init. no it's not apache2 and you can't do anything to init |
| 11:08.17 | ectospasm | looks like it's doing something with Postfix configuration... |
| 11:08.34 | ectospasm | do you have a screen session or other terminal session which may be configuring Postfix? |
| 11:08.36 | ectospasm | sssilver: ^ |
| 11:08.42 | mumpitze1 | it's a remnant from a package installation |
| 11:08.48 | mumpitze1 | kill it and reconfigure postfix |
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| 11:15.23 | Miro_Bahrenfeld_ | please, youtube on iceweasel doenst obbey autoplay. someone? |
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| 11:19.22 | phogg | ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????^&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& |
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| 11:27.55 | boudiccas | i've just reinstalled libvirtd after yesterdays debacle, andnow when i try to restart libvirtd i get this error message ..'Unable to connect to libvirt. authentication failed: polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1 Authorization requires authentication but no agent is available.' i can sudo pkill llibvirtd and it dies, but i ghet this error message when i restart it as root. how do i get round this please? |
| 11:27.59 | project2501a | hmmmm |
| 11:28.12 | project2501a | if boot is at /dev/sdc1 and root is at /dev/sdc2 |
| 11:28.25 | project2501a | does that mean that in grub i setup for hd(2,1) ? |
| 11:28.28 | project2501a | waves to boudiccas |
| 11:28.34 | apm1 | thats normal project2501a |
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| 11:28.37 | boudiccas | then you need to go left-hand down-a-bit |
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| 11:28.47 | boudiccas | project2501a, hiyas :) |
| 11:29.08 | project2501a | apm1: yeah it is, but grub 0.97 does not start at 1, right? it starts at 0 |
| 11:29.11 | project2501a | correct? |
| 11:29.12 | mumpitze1 | project2501a: you generally install to /dev/sda or whatever boots your system |
| 11:29.25 | mumpitze1 | project2501a: which debian is this? |
| 11:29.27 | project2501a | *nod* but it does not do the off-by-one thing? |
| 11:29.31 | project2501a | squeeze |
| 11:29.34 | apm1 | project2501a, not really man |
| 11:29.42 | apm1 | not with GPT |
| 11:29.43 | project2501a | grub2 does start at 1 |
| 11:29.55 | project2501a | i remember that much |
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| 11:36.00 | jacklk | All my VPN connections fail in Debian. |
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| 11:47.36 | osfd_ | Hi there |
| 11:48.04 | osfd_ | I would like to browse the doc provided with a software I just installed |
| 11:48.26 | osfd_ | /usr/share/doc/xxx |
| 11:48.51 | osfd_ | Is there a way of doing so, like a software done for that |
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| 11:49.43 | osfd_ | of I just go to the folder and consult with my usual softwares ? |
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| 11:53.39 | mumpitze1 | osfd_: zless <file> |
| 11:53.48 | boudiccas | i've just been playing and managed to get virt-manager to connect as root. how then do i configure it to work as user please? |
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| 11:54.46 | boudiccas | osfd, sudo leafpad /usr/share/doc/xxx |
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| 11:54.54 | guerrerofran | hi all |
| 11:55.07 | jnewt | I'm looking to automate some document scanning to database stuff. i think the biggest problem with this is going to be the ocr part. I've tried abbyy, because it came with a scanner i have, and i'd say it got 80-90% of the data. I'm not sure that's worth it. How accurate are other options? |
| 11:55.12 | mumpitze1 | osfd_: ignore boudiccas |
| 11:55.19 | mumpitze1 | osfd_: he gives bad advice again |
| 11:55.39 | osfd_ | mumixam: the zless thing works good |
| 11:55.50 | osfd_ | ok for boudiccas |
| 11:56.03 | boudiccas | mumixam, wrong, i am not a 'he', so please dont call me so. and do you have something against me? |
| 11:56.07 | mumpitze1 | jnewt: usually abbyy has the best recognition rates. Free software is usually worse |
| 11:56.22 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, wrong, i am not a 'he', so please dont call me so. and do you have something against me? |
| 11:56.32 | guerrerofran | anyone know how to pair a bluetooth mouse on wheezy from command line? i'm on gnome and when I try to pair it I get a notification on the bottom to accept it but there is no way to expand it and accept it with keyboard (no USB mouse right now) |
| 11:56.50 | jnewt | mumpitzel: these are typed documents, not hand written. Is the state of OCR tech just not there yet? |
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| 11:56.56 | osfd_ | boudiccas: shall we call you it ? |
| 11:56.56 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: yes. I don't like how you constantly give bad advice. I don't like you constantly totally fuck up your system and need help which you then ignore. lots of things I have against you. Well not you personally but your behaviour here: it stinks |
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| 11:57.12 | jnewt | Maybe my scanner sucks (fujitsu scansnap s1500)? |
| 11:57.21 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, right, i shall just ignore you then |
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| 11:58.18 | mumpitze1 | jnewt: special formatting or normal flowing text? it shouldn't be that bad at e.g. 300DPI |
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| 11:58.36 | osfd_ | mumpitze1: the zless thing works in case of a *.txt.gz, is that it |
| 11:58.54 | osfd_ | or at least in case of text files |
| 11:59.00 | mumpitze1 | yes. zless automatically displays .gz compressed files. and since all files there are gzipped... |
| 11:59.27 | jnewt | mumpitzel: most are tables and columns of information. so "special"? although that seems like probably 1/2 of all types of documents. |
| 11:59.48 | osfd_ | mumpitze1: does not work properly for *.pdf.gz... that I should open with evince for example |
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| 12:00.15 | mumpitze1 | yes. unfortunately. tho pdfs are allready compressed normally |
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| 12:10.30 | jmd | and then: SORRY : Asynchronous SCSI error on SYNCHRONIZE CACHE: [3 0C 00] Write error |
| 12:10.33 | jmd | ? |
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| 12:19.07 | cusco | hai |
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| 12:26.28 | tuxcrafter | its the group bit |
| 12:26.41 | tuxcrafter | it doesnt respond to chmod g+rwxS |
| 12:26.59 | tuxcrafter | drwxrws---+ < thats what i need |
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| 12:27.35 | xand | tuxcrafter: g+s |
| 12:28.04 | xand | or g+rws |
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| 12:28.42 | tuxcrafter | nope doesnt seem to work |
| 12:28.46 | jelly-home | don't forget the x if isn't not there already |
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| 12:29.52 | xand | yeah g+xs |
| 12:29.54 | xand | it's not S |
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| 12:29.56 | jelly-home | tuxcrafter: chmod g+rwxs blah wfm |
| 12:31.07 | tuxcrafter | found my issue |
| 12:31.16 | tuxcrafter | find /home/backoffice -type d -prune -o -iname secured -exec chmod g+rwxs,o-rwx {} \; |
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| 12:31.20 | tuxcrafter | im using prune wrong... |
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| 12:31.55 | ws2k3 | how can i get the md5 hash of a file |
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| 12:32.46 | fishcooker | :) how to know the open port on our server? |
| 12:32.47 | micols | Jun 8 13:47:26 cent2.local /USR/SBIN/CRON[19130]: (root) CMD (apt-get -y dist-upgrade) , then the server died, any idea how this could be avoided? it is running debian stable, both dns server, ssh server etc. died after the upgrade |
| 12:33.01 | micols | and apache too |
| 12:33.06 | mumpitze1 | ws2k3: md5sum <file> |
| 12:33.33 | xand | fishcooker: open port for what? |
| 12:33.36 | micols | it did respond on pings, just all services died |
| 12:33.40 | mumpitze1 | !tell micols about cron-apt |
| 12:33.51 | mumpitze1 | fishcooker: open port of what? |
| 12:33.52 | xand | fishcooker: ss -l |
| 12:34.11 | mumpitze1 | micols: generally happens when you upgrade libc6 |
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| 12:34.30 | micols | :-( |
| 12:34.33 | micols | yeah likely |
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| 12:34.44 | micols | all packages depend on that |
| 12:34.55 | micols | "It can also automatically install packages if you trust security.debian.org to never have broken packages" |
| 12:35.04 | micols | guess I'm not autoupdating anymore, not the first time it has happened |
| 12:35.08 | tuxcrafter | xand: jelly-home: thank you both |
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| 12:36.27 | jelly-home | micols: you could set up monitoring and restarting for the important services with something like "monit" |
| 12:36.43 | micols | the server didn't come back up after restarting, something seriously broke i think |
| 12:37.24 | micols | maybe it wasn't an upgrade problem, gotta check the console |
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| 12:37.29 | ido370 | can you see the error in dmesg? |
| 12:37.57 | micols | don't have console on, it just looked like an upgrade problem (no problems for 3-4 years, then the server stopped responding on other than pings, all services died after that cron upgrade) |
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| 12:38.04 | micols | but gonna test in a few moments |
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| 12:43.40 | fishcooker | on many apps that i've installed mumpitze1 |
| 12:44.35 | mumpitze1 | fishcooker: they generally listen on a port on their own if they need it |
| 12:44.44 | mumpitze1 | fishcooker: what do you actually want to do? |
| 12:45.24 | fishcooker | xand |
| 12:45.30 | fishcooker | ss -l works |
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| 12:45.49 | fishcooker | but doesnt list the spesific port |
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| 12:46.08 | fishcooker | list all port open |
| 12:46.09 | mumpitze1 | netstat -anp |grep LIST will |
| 12:46.13 | fishcooker | on our server |
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| 12:47.55 | xand | fishcooker: which specific port? |
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| 12:58.09 | fishcooker | mysql port |
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| 13:01.40 | xand | fishcooker: usually 3306 |
| 13:01.48 | xand | is that in the list? |
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| 13:03.23 | xand | fishcooker: ss -l -p (as root) will show the process name/pid too |
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| 13:15.37 | level7 | morning all |
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| 13:17.12 | DreamPCs | Morning all. Anyone has any idea why I can't change my mouse pointer look in the KDE settings? |
| 13:17.32 | DreamPCs | I selected and applied the different cursors but I still have a plan black Windows XP looking mouse pointer. |
| 13:18.36 | Ziarkaen | I've built a chromium-browser.deb package using apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage, along with source modifications. I want to test it alongside my current chromium-browser installed from repos. If I do dpkg --root=/my/dir -i chromium.deb, will I have lots of dependency problems? |
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| 13:20.20 | DreamPCs | I think I solved my problem nevermind guys. |
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| 13:21.44 | Ghormoon | hi, is there any easy way to check which filesystem is in file? (broken image from my friends wubi install, "file" dobesn't recognize it, nor does mount) |
| 13:21.59 | Ghormoon | most propably ext2/3/4 but which? :) |
| 13:22.22 | jharri34 | hello all after following this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers tutorial about getting nvidia grapics cards to work under debian |
| 13:23.53 | Cyclohexane | how do i get curl to output? it keeps forking |
| 13:25.24 | jharri34 | xorg.conf looks like http://paste.debian.net/9175/ |
| 13:25.45 | jelly-home | Ghormoon: what kind of image is it supposed to be? Does blkid /path/to/file say anything? |
| 13:27.12 | Ghormoon | blkid nothing ... it'w Mint wubi install, I've found that those images can be mounted just with -o loop and it works automatically, so I suppose it's same like if I did bitcopy of a partition |
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| 13:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is divxenc the right tool to re-encode a DVD to divx/mp4 or does something else work better? h264enc? |
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| 13:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh. which would be the less complex way, i.e. with the sanest default and least guesswork |
| 13:34.07 | trippeh | CutMeOwnThroat: Handbrake is pretty good. Uses the x264 encoder. |
| 13:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a package? |
| 13:34.43 | xand | uses mencoder |
| 13:35.16 | trippeh | CutMeOwnThroat: It is in experimental appearantly |
| 13:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, yeah, I did just use mencoder a year or two ago when last I had to do video stuff |
| 13:36.11 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: handbrake |
| 13:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok, thanks. will look after upgrade to wheezy then (which is running) |
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| 13:41.00 | jharri34 | 20-nvidia.conf looks like http://paste.debian.net/9175/ after installing installing nvidia driver and i have no xorg.conf file help please |
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| 13:41.46 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: what is your Xorg.0.log ? still the same error? |
| 13:42.32 | jharri34 | mempitzel: yes |
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| 13:43.46 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: it shouldn't be "inputclass" there cause it's a videocard |
| 13:45.58 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: do you have a network connection on your debian PC where X doesn't work? |
| 13:46.10 | ws2k3 | i just created a raid1 but hwt means resync=DELAYED |
| 13:46.20 | ws2k3 | can it only sync one disk at the time? |
| 13:46.36 | jharri34 | mumpitze1 yes i do |
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| 13:48.13 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: have you typed or used cut+paste for the debian.net paste? |
| 13:49.41 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: copying onto a flash drive and moving it to my desktop and pasting it from there |
| 13:50.04 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: install pastebinit on the debian PC and then do a "pastebinit http://paste.debian.net/9181/ |
| 13:50.55 | mumpitze1 | sorry. "pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 13:51.53 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: done |
| 13:52.52 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: does it show up for or should i paste the link? |
| 13:54.16 | babilen | is still not sure that jharri34 even mentioned the actual error :-D -- I'm off though, so good luck guys! (thought I look into it, but couldn't find any description of a problem) |
| 13:54.28 | mumpitze1 | you should paste the link |
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| 13:56.00 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: httt://paster.debian.net/9182 |
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| 13:56.16 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: http://paster.debian.net/9182 |
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| 13:57.06 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: and startx;pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 13:58.31 | jharri34 | http://pastedebina.net/9184/ |
| 13:59.13 | Ghormoon | damn, I'm experimenting with the image and I didn't manage to find any superblock, any ideas what to try next? |
| 13:59.15 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: http://paster.debian.net/9184 |
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| 14:02.00 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: so it's a very different error now! |
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| 14:02.24 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: lsmod |grep nvidia is the module loaded? |
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| 14:04.28 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/9188/ |
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| 14:05.12 | jharri34 | it seems to be but im not sure what a module is or look like |
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| 14:05.54 | mumpitze1 | yes it's loaded, the first line there |
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| 14:07.06 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: could it be your laptop has optimus? lspci -nn |
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| 14:08.26 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/9191 yes i have the nvidia 555m |
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| 14:11.05 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: you also have nvidia optimus most likely |
| 14:11.32 | jharri34 | what should i do? |
| 14:11.50 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: is that a bad thing |
| 14:12.37 | mumpitze1 | for linux often yes |
| 14:12.49 | mumpitze1 | can you disable your IGP in BIOS? |
| 14:13.02 | mumpitze1 | what laptop is it? |
| 14:13.34 | jharri34 | sager np5165 |
| 14:15.40 | jharri34 | no i dont see that option in bios |
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| 14:19.13 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch |
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| 14:20.19 | themill | dpkg: .. |
| 14:20.19 | dpkg | themill.. |
| 14:20.26 | themill | grr |
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| 14:21.43 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: there nothing in the debug folder |
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| 14:26.03 | mumpitze1 | then I dunno how to get your optimus to work, sorry |
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| 14:26.30 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: you could try http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 14:26.44 | mumpitze1 | with packages from wheezy backports |
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| 14:27.09 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: ill try |
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| 14:31.12 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: niether bumblebee or bumblebee-nvidia, and primus are in the debian repos |
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| 14:32.48 | mumpitze1 | backports |
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| 14:32.56 | mumpitze1 | !tell jharri34 about optimus |
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| 14:35.27 | ghking | hello everyone! I have installed gnome3 and xfce4. My default windows manager is gnome, and I have let my computer go to text-mode by default. So I have to use "startx". now the question is How can I use "startx" go to xfce4? |
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| 14:37.56 | transfinite | ghking: use startxfce4 instead |
| 14:38.24 | transfinite | (or put that in your ~/.xsession file and continue using startx) |
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| 14:38.48 | ghking | transfinite , really? It's rather easy. thank you |
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| 14:40.47 | apm1 | popcon says dwm is the most grabbed wm then how come gnome is on CD1 as the default DE ? |
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| 14:41.30 | ghking | transfinite: it's no use! but |
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| 14:42.46 | superlinux-hp | i have in gnome classic 3.4 in wheezy, whenever i open any file or directory, the bottom panel always gets an additional icon saying "opening blah.blah.." how can I get rid of it? |
| 14:43.01 | ghking | transfinite: maybe I have made some mistake, wait, I will try again |
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| 14:46.35 | KostyaSha | why wheezy has package with arch specific in package name? |
| 14:46.44 | ghking | transfinite: thank you! I have get into xfce4, it looks pretty good. |
| 14:47.11 | KostyaSha | i mean you now have normal multiarch, but still use old packages |
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| 14:47.40 | moof2 | KostyaSha, to which package do you refer? |
| 14:47.47 | KostyaSha | gcc for example |
| 14:47.59 | KostyaSha | and amd64 arch |
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| 14:48.22 | moof2 | gcc doesn't have the arch in the name... or did you misquote the name? |
| 14:48.23 | KostyaSha | it still depends on libx32* packages? |
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| 14:49.19 | moof2 | perhaps gcc of either arch wants to be able to produce code for either |
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| 14:52.47 | KostyaSha | moof2, im trying compare with other distros, ie fedora has one name for package for both arches |
| 14:52.56 | superlinux-hp | let me rephrase it : Whenever I open nautalis "Opening blah blah" hangs for like a minute and a half even though I've already went like 8 directories deep, opened a file and started editing it. |
| 14:53.45 | KostyaSha | moof2, and as i know in wheezy debian did the same + triplet for lib pathes. But for building gcc still used non multiarch packages |
| 14:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'm getting E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-mlt5' ... but python-mlt5 is not installed |
| 14:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get upgrade already finished successfully |
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| 15:07.46 | ghking1 | I can double or single point the touchpad, just use it to move the arrow. where can I set them. I don,t find anything can change it in mouth setting |
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| 15:20.31 | elkng | are winmodems fully supported under linux ? |
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| 15:22.11 | mumpitze1 | elkng: no |
| 15:22.18 | mumpitze1 | but where did you still find a winmodem? |
| 15:22.25 | sunzik | I can't detect my bluetooth mouse |
| 15:22.30 | ChrisH | elkng: if winmomde means soft modem: nearly not supported a at all |
| 15:22.35 | sunzik | in bluedevil or gnome |
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| 15:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can I get the immediate-configuration error on packages I don't have installed anyway |
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| 15:25.22 | elkng | ChrisH: should I throw my PCI winmodem away ? |
| 15:25.43 | elkng | I changed to linux, so I will not be able to use it anymore ? |
| 15:25.52 | ChrisH | elkng: do you need a modem at all these days? |
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| 15:26.09 | mumpitze1 | elkng: some do work in linux but not too many. you need to check which one it is |
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| 15:26.36 | ChrisH | I ionly have one Zyxel 1496 Modem for fax receiption active. |
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| 15:27.14 | mumpitze1 | heh, that was my first modem back then |
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| 15:27.24 | mumpitze1 | now fax is simply handled by my router |
| 15:27.47 | elkng | mumpitze1: acorp |
| 15:28.04 | ChrisH | mumpitze1: 1496 are the best supported ones from mgetty. maybe hylafax does softmodems. check that. |
| 15:28.09 | mumpitze1 | that's not a chip name |
| 15:28.28 | mumpitze1 | ChrisH: my router (which runs linux) does it all on its own. no need for anything else |
| 15:29.05 | ChrisH | elkng: lspci -nn should provide you the pci ids to google for |
| 15:29.10 | transfinite | ghking: I don't know of any graphical control panel for that (there is one in Gnome) |
| 15:29.31 | transfinite | ghking: but you can do it the hard way using xinput on the command line (or in an autostart command): |
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| 15:33.02 | fipu | Hi guys |
| 15:33.24 | fipu | I'm looking for a good iSCSI Server HowTo for Debian 7 |
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| 15:33.55 | fipu | Does somebody know a good one, I found that one for lenny: http://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI/iscsitarget |
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| 15:34.48 | ghking | <transfinite> I think I have solved the problem.thank you all the same |
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| 15:43.58 | peoro | Hello |
| 15:44.14 | AsumFace | sup |
| 15:44.37 | peoro | I have a host's public key. Can I pass that key to ssh? What I want to do is: "ssh to host X whose key is X_key.pub" |
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| 15:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea why I get "Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-mlt5'." although that's not installed at all? |
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| 15:49.16 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: can you reproduce the error? |
| 15:49.28 | mumpitze1 | if so: with what command? paste the full output of it |
| 15:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitze1, on my machine? all the time :P |
| 15:49.58 | mumpitze1 | no it won't |
| 15:50.10 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: give useful info if you want help |
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| 15:51.37 | fadeh | hi guys, I hope someone can help me with this: I installed debian on my laptop and everything was fine except grub refused to install on a GPT partion. I skipped that step and made a usb pen with grub in order to boot the new system from there but when I hit the grub console there is NO WAY I can see my internal ssd drive, so I can't manually boot my kernel. For example if I type: "set root=(" and I press tab |
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| 15:51.46 | mumpitze1 | !tell boudiccas about PM |
| 15:51.58 | fadeh | the autocomplete only shows me hd0 which is the pendrive itself |
| 15:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/9209/ |
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| 15:53.20 | gez | Hi |
| 15:53.52 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: so why don't you heed this very helpful message and read the manpage, then disable this option? |
| 15:54.19 | gez | After the last gnome-shell update in testing I lost the app search functionality for all the applications except core gnome's. Any ideas about how to fix it? |
| 15:54.29 | gez | (btw, alacarte also stopped working) |
| 15:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitze1, because that produces the exact same result... |
| 15:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, immediate configuration |
| 15:54.39 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; . If that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead. Finally, if that doesn't work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install. You should also read <release notes>. |
| 15:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I think I have something else |
| 15:54.51 | mumpitze1 | install python-mlt5 then |
| 15:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that also fails |
| 15:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | with E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-gobject-2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 15:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:56.24 | HelenaKitty | O.o |
| 15:56.26 | mumpitze1 | does any apt-get install still work. say if you update your gcc or whatever? |
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| 15:56.44 | HelenaKitty | How come Alpine keeps giving me relay denied errors when I try to send out? |
| 15:56.49 | HelenaKitty | no I can't elaborate. |
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| 15:57.02 | mutable_malachi | Hi. I've been without X since the upgrade. |
| 15:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... it still works... there's just no obvious targets that do work (python does not) |
| 15:58.08 | mumpitze1 | python gives the immedate error? I would update stuff piece by piece then. e.g. x, gnome, etc. until you have cut down your humungous packages list there to something manageable |
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| 15:58.26 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: you did install python-mlt5 with dpkg right? not apt? |
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| 16:03.28 | no_gravity | Hello! Screenshot functionality was much better in Debian 6 then it is now in Debian 7. Pressing print now saves the screen immediately somewhere. No way to choose where to save. No way to copy it to clipboard. Is there a way to get back the old behaviour? |
| 16:03.31 | fadeh | hi guys, I hope someone can help me with this: I installed debian on my laptop and everything was fine except grub refused to install on a GPT partion. I skipped that step and made a usb pen with grub in order to boot the new system from there but when I hit the grub console there is NO WAY I can see my internal ssd drive, so I can't manually boot my kernel. For example if I type: "set root=(" and I press tab the autocompl |
| 16:03.32 | fadeh | ete only shows me hd0 which is the pendrive itself. Any help? |
| 16:04.04 | mutable_malachi | When I try to start xdm, nothing appears to happen. |
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| 16:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitze1, no... actually I think that might only mess up stuff more... but I just found that that's planned to be installed because of openshot, so I removed openshot |
| 16:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now apt-get upgrade at least can apparently upgrade another 500 packages |
| 16:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is not to be sneezed at, I guess |
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| 16:05.47 | mumpitze1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the dpkg -r package,apt-get install -f above is just that: it is supposed to force the package to get installed from wheezy |
| 16:06.03 | mumpitze1 | that's why I suggested to do the same without apt which as you know is finicky :) |
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| 16:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitze1, yes... but if apt cannot install it either, I'm not at all convinced just installing it with dpkg will improve matters |
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| 16:10.54 | mumpitze1 | it will cause then doesn't want to configure it anymore. the worst that can happen is dpkg not installing it either. in which case you haven't lost anything |
| 16:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 16:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still don't see how it can fail to configure something that it doesn't try to install at the time |
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| 16:15.45 | JmZ | ah crap |
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| 16:17.13 | fadeh | anyone has samsung series 7 ultrabook? |
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| 16:20.36 | jacklk | Debian 8 = jessie? |
| 16:20.57 | AsumFace | yes |
| 16:20.59 | jacklk | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is confusing |
| 16:21.04 | jacklk | it says it's 7.0 |
| 16:21.09 | jacklk | and wheezy |
| 16:21.10 | AsumFace | 7 is wheezy |
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| 16:21.25 | jacklk | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has the jessie images, correct? |
| 16:21.52 | AsumFace | i think so |
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| 16:30.52 | mutable_malachi | I'm not sure why, but debian is not drawing my screen res correctly in this tty. |
| 16:30.56 | mutable_malachi | It's shifted over a bit. |
| 16:31.34 | mutable_malachi | But I've got an oddball resolution -- 1366x768 -- and xdm won't start, so that's probably a larger problem then the tty being absolutely right. :) |
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| 16:32.24 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i make pcmanfm the default file manager of gnome? |
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| 16:33.43 | dvs | has a 15.6" screen and has no problems. |
| 16:34.27 | dvs | mutable_malachi: Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log should be able to tell you want is wrong. |
| 16:35.11 | mutable_malachi | dvs: heh. While I look at that, would you care to tell how you got a 15.6" screen? That's interesting. |
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| 16:35.28 | dvs | mutable_malachi: It's on a laptop |
| 16:35.34 | AsumFace | are you using the nouveau driver? |
| 16:35.37 | mutable_malachi | Oh. I'm getting "no screens found." |
| 16:35.39 | mutable_malachi | AsumFace: yep. |
| 16:35.57 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: no you get an error before that |
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| 16:36.30 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: sorry, 'no devices detected' is what I get first. |
| 16:36.38 | mutable_malachi | It's the only (EE) in the file. |
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| 16:37.27 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: install pastebinit and paste the full log pleasr |
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| 16:37.59 | mutable_malachi | Yessir. |
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| 16:38.31 | mumpitze1 | is no sir but a random joe blow on the interwebs |
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| 16:40.40 | ghking | hello everyone where can i get more apllet for xfce4 |
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| 16:41.42 | ghking | is there some applet like system monitor in gnome for xfce4 |
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| 16:42.21 | wjtaylor | I've setup LAMP on my debain box. I can run php, but some commands blank out the page. I assume this is due to error, but I've taken examples off of php.net to test with and see no issue. |
| 16:42.32 | wjtaylor | reset($array) causes issues... |
| 16:42.34 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: it worked i got a gui back onto my laptop but i can only use the intergrated intel graphics card |
| 16:42.50 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: yes, due to optimus :) |
| 16:43.08 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: which is why linux torvalds cussed and ranted against nvidia not logn ago :) |
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| 16:44.31 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/9213 |
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| 16:44.35 | mutable_malachi | Thank you for looking. :) |
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| 16:45.14 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: bublebee does however give you the option to primusrum <program name> to run certain programs with the nvidia graphics card but that does not include the de or wm |
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| 16:45.56 | mumpitze1 | jharri34: correct but the intel IGP is plenty fast enough for the DE |
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| 16:48.39 | jharri34 | mumpitze1: yep just it doesn't seem compatible to gnome3 |
| 16:48.40 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: what is the output of "groups" |
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| 16:49.35 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: is the group "video" listed? |
| 16:49.46 | JmZ | wheezy to jessie... what does "wheezy-updates" in sources.list become? |
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| 16:50.03 | mumpitze1 | probably doesn't exist |
| 16:50.37 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: it does exist. |
| 16:50.44 | mutable_malachi | My user is in it. I am not sure whether root is. |
| 16:50.58 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: probably root can run your X but your user can not |
| 16:51.01 | mutable_malachi | Root is not in the group, but I don't know if it needs to be. |
| 16:51.09 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: these permission denied things are the problem |
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| 16:51.20 | ompaul | root is not |
| 16:51.28 | ws2k3 | can i do everythin i want while disks are resyncing? like rebooting change stuff etc ? |
| 16:51.29 | mumpitze1 | of course not but it doesn't need to |
| 16:51.33 | mutable_malachi | nods. |
| 16:51.52 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: can you start X as root? just for testing, not everyday use |
| 16:51.55 | mutable_malachi | Nope. |
| 16:51.58 | ompaul | ws2k3: how can a disk sync and do something at the same time? |
| 16:51.58 | mutable_malachi | startx doesn't work. |
| 16:52.12 | mutable_malachi | I receive the same error, and the same output in Xorg.0.log. |
| 16:52.17 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: same error in Xorg.0.log? |
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| 16:52.23 | superlinux-hp | how can i make pcmanfm the default file manager ? please. |
| 16:52.32 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: what videocard is it? is it hybrid graphics? |
| 16:52.36 | ompaul | JmZ: it won't because updates are something to do with stable |
| 16:52.53 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: Gosh, I wish. :) |
| 16:52.58 | mutable_malachi | It's an nvidia 7600. |
| 16:53.07 | mutable_malachi | 7600GT if I remember correctly. |
| 16:53.12 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: that cannot be. it loads radeon drivers |
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| 16:53.23 | ompaul | JmZ: jessie is the testing branch - some day it will be stable not for a year and a bit I'd guess (the bit is variable 1 day 2 years who knows) |
| 16:53.28 | mutable_malachi | Sorry, 7900GS according to lspci. |
| 16:53.41 | jacklk | What exactly is Mutt? |
| 16:53.45 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: That is very strange. |
| 16:53.53 | mutable_malachi | I have no onboard video. |
| 16:53.54 | ompaul | jacklk: cli email tool |
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| 16:54.00 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: check your xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d |
| 16:54.45 | mutable_malachi | Ooooh. Yes. There's an entry for an old graphics card I once had. |
| 16:54.47 | mutable_malachi | "radeon" |
| 16:54.58 | mumpitze1 | delete your xorg.conf |
| 16:55.20 | mumpitze1 | well, better rename it :) |
| 16:55.27 | mutable_malachi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.27 | JmZ | ompaul: so i don't need a "testing-updates" line? |
| 16:56.38 | JmZ | i know its testing |
| 16:56.52 | JmZ | just wasn't sure if that particular source existed |
| 16:58.30 | mumpitze1 | it doesn't. it's the volatile of old and that mekes no sense for a testing branch. it would simply go into the main testing repository |
| 16:58.55 | JmZ | ah i see |
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| 17:00.12 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i make pcmanfm the default file manager ? please. |
| 17:00.17 | phy1729 | Is sudo not installed by default? |
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| 17:01.46 | mumpitze1 | phy1729: it certainly is if you leave the root account disabled when installing |
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| 17:02.04 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: it looks like it works. Now I need to go find my mouse. :) |
| 17:02.10 | mumpitze1 | heh |
| 17:02.19 | mutable_malachi | Thank you. I wouldn't have known how to read the log file, but I see now what you saw. |
| 17:02.29 | phy1729 | mumpitze1: I'll try that. |
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| 17:06.11 | wwu | debian-next is private ? |
| 17:06.16 | phy1729 | mumpitze1: Look at that. Thanks. |
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| 17:07.34 | mumpitze1 | wwu: no. it's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:08.12 | mms_ | where can I download the kernel modules/drivers for phone for which the manufacturer has not provided them like samsung tab P3113 etc. or HTV One V |
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| 17:08.42 | wwu | ha ok |
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| 17:08.55 | mumpitze1 | mms_: kernel modules of the HTC One? are you running debian on your smartphone? |
| 17:09.21 | mms_ | mumpitze1: you get me wrong. I want to connect HTC One V to debian guest os on vbox |
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| 17:10.02 | mms_ | so then I can mount it in file manager and use as usb drive or use adb to install programs etc. |
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| 17:11.14 | mumpitze1 | and which kernel modules would that be? I don't know of ANY kernel modules HTC uses anywhere except on their phones |
| 17:11.31 | mms_ | I have bunch of android devices for which they have windows drivers and connect fine on windows but not to debian. |
| 17:12.05 | mumpitze1 | you don't need any device drivers from them to connect the phone. USB mass storage and MTP are both standards which don't need special drivers |
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| 17:12.19 | mumpitze1 | MTP is a bit of a hassle under lInux and you will need to use FUSE |
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| 17:12.55 | zinx | ? there's non-FUSE mtp stuff |
| 17:12.57 | hds- | hi there |
| 17:13.03 | mumpitze1 | zinx: working? |
| 17:13.06 | zinx | yes |
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| 17:14.08 | hds- | so i have the following problem: i have a raspbian, connecting to it via ssh but it won't recognize my function keys, so when i want to choose my usb sound card via alsamixer it won't work. where does alsamixer write its settings so that i could possibly just edit config files instead of using alsamixer |
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| 17:14.20 | mumpitze1 | !raspbian |
| 17:14.21 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:15.06 | hds- | mumpitze1: thanks. guess the "where does alsamixer write its settings" question is a general debian/gnu/linux question though isnt it? |
| 17:15.37 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: well, it sorta works now. When I start xdm, it draws and everything, but when I enter my login information it kicks me back to xdm. |
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| 17:15.59 | mumpitze1 | hds-: if you have a general linux question: ##linux. we support debian only. is your distro called debian? |
| 17:16.22 | jiohdi | mutable_malachi, that happens if your wm or de is borked, try a different wm |
| 17:16.23 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: that means your DE crashes or exits for some reason |
| 17:16.46 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: ~/.Xsession-errors or such should have a clue what happens |
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| 17:16.53 | hds- | mumpitze1: no, but it reminds me of the reason i was thinking twice about coming here. f'in arrogance. |
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| 17:17.02 | jiohdi | you can ctl-alt-f1 and sign in as root to reinstall or install another |
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| 17:19.43 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: huh. When I try to pastebin it, pastebinit just prints: http://paste.debian.net. |
| 17:19.47 | mutable_malachi | The file is mostly gibberish. |
| 17:20.00 | mutable_malachi | "error in .xsession, line 3" |
| 17:20.11 | mutable_malachi | And then .xsession is also binary gibberish. |
| 17:20.21 | mumpitze1 | check your .xsession line 3 then? ~/.xsession maybe? |
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| 17:21.21 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: Would there be any harm in deleting it? |
| 17:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | mutable_malachi: .xsession is supposed to be a text file. |
| 17:21.36 | jhutchins_wk | mutable_malachi: No, I think that's best. |
| 17:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | mutable_malachi: You might want to figure out what corrupted it though. |
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| 17:23.33 | mutable_malachi | jhutchins_wk: Thanks. Should it have something it in like "start this window manager"? I am not sure what it is supposed to look like. |
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| 17:24.21 | mutable_malachi | I am thinking exec /somewhere/there/is/a/file |
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| 17:26.35 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: run file ~/.xsession it shouldn't be "binary gibberish" normally |
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| 17:27.15 | mumpitze1 | mutable_malachi: it's basically a bash script normally |
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| 17:31.08 | mutable_malachi | mumpitze1: thank you. |
| 17:31.14 | mutable_malachi | And you too jhutchins_wk. |
| 17:31.27 | mutable_malachi | I am about to reboot so hopefully xorg will find my mouse. :) |
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| 17:37.44 | martin3z | im installing emacs23 or emacs23 on jessie and i get error, install script from ccrypt failed, should i uninstall emacsen? |
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| 17:46.47 | martin3z | i tried install emacs24-nox, emacsen is uninstalled, and i get the same, post-installation scripty ccrypt returned error |
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| 17:49.15 | martin3z | but emacs is working after installation |
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| 17:51.17 | martin3z | damn how to exit emacs in keyborad? |
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| 17:54.33 | martin3z | what i realized now, in weechat-ncurses i dont see anyone, only my sentences. hello guys... |
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| 17:57.24 | harrison | what was the name of beethoven's favorite dog? |
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| 17:58.14 | MaxLanar | martin3z: maybe you should ask your questions on #emacs ... |
| 17:58.40 | martin3z | ok ok i got your answer, so it is rather quiet, i was thkinking... no matter |
| 17:58.44 | MaxLanar | (C-x C-c to quit emacs) |
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| 17:59.03 | martin3z | MaxLanar, thanks a lot |
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| 18:00.08 | Quix86 | "this kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae" |
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| 18:00.16 | Quix86 | is this a x64 install? |
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| 18:02.55 | MaxLanar | martin3z: And 'C-h t' is definitly a key bindings you should try ;) |
| 18:02.58 | Vicissitude | not necessarily. I have a 32-bit cpu with pae |
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| 18:03.47 | Quix86 | this is a P-M... |
| 18:04.01 | Quix86 | I don't think it's old enough to be missing anything important |
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| 18:04.39 | martin3z | MaxLanar, i'm trying :) |
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| 18:07.52 | elkng | I have 8 files in dev: loop0 - loop7, how to add more like: "loop8 - loop16" ? |
| 18:08.15 | elkng | can I copy "cp /dev/loop0 /dev/loop8" ? |
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| 18:09.40 | martin3z | ok i found, it is harmless, ccrypt package affect emacsen installation, solved |
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| 18:14.12 | MaxLanar | elkng: http://www.treshna.com/blog/?p=71 |
| 18:14.39 | MaxLanar | (not tested) |
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| 18:22.07 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | guys, i got a arm device with g_ether enabled. Now i need it to work with desktop debian |
| 18:22.26 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Desktop dmesg doesnt says a single thing about device being plugged |
| 18:22.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | it seems kernel doesnt support it |
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| 18:23.15 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | any "quick enable button" around here? |
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| 18:26.53 | harrison | what was the name of beethoven's favorite dog? |
| 18:26.54 | harrison | furry lisa |
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| 18:40.52 | Vicissitude | why would attempting to install icedove esr (17.x) incite apt-get to uninstall gnome? seems counter-intuitive |
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| 18:42.51 | mumpitze1 | what else, besides icedove gets installed? most likely one lib icedove needs and one other gnome needs don't play well with each other |
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| 18:44.18 | Vicissitude | apt-get doesn't show anything else being installed but wants to remove gnome and xul-adblock. I declined that for obvious reasons |
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| 18:49.08 | neon__ | ok, so I upgraded testing and now again wine sound don't work |
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| 18:53.46 | Walex | Vicissitude: in some cases if you have some slightly odd dependency configuration installing something creates a dependency conflict, and one way to resolve it is to uninstall one of the conflicting packages, and if the latter is depended upong by many others, they will be uninstalled too, and so on. |
| 18:54.13 | Walex | neon__: #Debian+1 on OFTC for discussing use of 'testing' archive |
| 18:54.37 | Vicissitude | Walex, it's okay but really seemed odd. Thanks, btw. |
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| 18:55.52 | neon__ | Walex, thereis no such channel |
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| 18:58.21 | Walex | neon__: on the OFTC IRC network |
| 18:58.43 | Walex | neon__: oops, it is actually #Debin+next |
| 18:58.53 | Walex | neon__: as described in the /topic for this channel |
| 18:58.58 | neon__ | k |
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| 18:59.37 | KZKG^Gaara_ | Hi |
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| 18:59.46 | KZKG^Gaara_ | Anyone use Thunderbird? .... |
| 19:00.07 | Walex | neon__: and actually the IRC server is irc.debian.org not OFTC (even if they are the same). |
| 19:00.21 | mumpitze1 | KZKG^Gaara_: no. we use icedove |
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| 19:01.00 | KZKG^Gaara_ | mumpitze1: Im using the tar.bz2 of thunderbird, but icedove is almost the same |
| 19:01.01 | buhman | the fakeroot git repository doesn't seem to include the manpages for non-english |
| 19:01.05 | buhman | where can I get those? |
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| 19:01.19 | KZKG^Gaara_ | By the way, sorry for my english, its not my primary language |
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| 19:02.06 | KZKG^Gaara_ | mumpitze1: the thing is that Thunderbird is downloading my emails too slow (to download 100kb takes several minutes) any idea why? |
| 19:02.32 | Walex | KZKG^Gaara_: our psychic advisors are all engaged on other astral planes :-) |
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| 19:04.43 | phy1729 | is there a way to get git 1.7.11 or later on stable through apt? |
| 19:04.54 | mumpitze1 | ,v git |
| 19:04.55 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; jessie: 1:1.7.10.4-2; sid: 1:1.7.10.4-2; experimental: 1:1.8.3-1 |
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| 19:05.54 | phy1729 | I don't know what to do with that |
| 19:07.12 | mumpitze1 | it's the first step of doing a backport |
| 19:07.21 | mumpitze1 | ,depends git experimental |
| 19:07.23 | judd | Package git in experimental/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.16), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libpcre3 (>= 8.10), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), perl-modules, liberror-perl, git-man (>> 1:1.8.3), git-man (<< 1:1.8.3-.). |
| 19:07.42 | mumpitze1 | doesnt look too promising |
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| 19:08.38 | phy1729 | and only moving to experimental would help not testing |
| 19:09.14 | mumpitze1 | you cannot move to experimental |
| 19:10.26 | phy1729 | ok |
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| 19:11.17 | wjtaylor | anyone know how to remove a pathname with nginx and then forward to another port? |
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| 19:16.04 | NotJimCarrey | i just started having PA issues after an update. I'm getting "Connection filed: Access denied" |
| 19:16.21 | nkuttler | wjtaylor: sounds like a normal reverse proxy config? |
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| 19:17.12 | erwin | hello guys |
| 19:17.21 | erwin | i have somequestions about debian |
| 19:17.47 | erwin | i colud not install debian to my asus pc . debian could not recognise me wireless card |
| 19:18.22 | dvs | erwin: It's much easier to use a wired install |
| 19:18.30 | erwin | hmm |
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| 19:18.40 | nkuttler | <3 cables |
| 19:18.40 | erwin | but i have a wireless network |
| 19:18.57 | erwin | ok i saw a debian wheezy standrt iso |
| 19:18.59 | erwin | wht is that |
| 19:19.32 | NotJimCarrey | i rm'ed ~/.pulse & ~/.pulse-cookie, ran alsa force-reload as root, the pulseaudio -D as user |
| 19:19.33 | NotJimCarrey | s/the/then |
| 19:19.47 | wjtaylor | knuttler: I can't get this one working, it sends to the port w/o rewriting the uri |
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| 19:23.34 | wjtaylor | knuttler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5746019/ |
| 19:23.42 | wjtaylor | under moviebase |
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| 19:27.42 | Ch4rAss | can anyone help me with this one: http://superuser.com/questions/605372/debian-wheezy-no-sound-trough-jack-output ? |
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| 19:29.45 | Walex | Ch4rAss: play around with the mixer types of the relevant ALSA chipset driver. |
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| 19:30.19 | Walex | Ch4rAss: in your case the 'snd-intel-hda' one IIRC |
| 19:30.49 | ichthys | Hello all. Is it possible to move logical volumes from one HDD to another? or it it better to just start from scrath |
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| 19:31.25 | Walex | Ch4rAss: it is the 'snd-hda-intel' module and its 'model' parameter |
| 19:32.07 | Walex | ichthys: yes. |
| 19:32.12 | ichthys | would i create a new physical volume and volume group on the new HDD and just copy the logical volume to the new HDD |
| 19:32.17 | Walex | ichthys: yes to move. |
| 19:32.53 | Ch4rAss | Walex: Walex where should I put that in? |
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| 19:33.16 | Walex | ichthys: you must obviously create a new physical volume. Add it to the existing volume group, and then ask the LVs to be moved to that physical volume, there is a specific option for that., |
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| 19:33.28 | Walex | Ch4rAss: in some file under '/etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 19:34.28 | Ch4rAss | Walex: I have `options snd-hda-intel model=hp` in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 19:34.36 | ichthys | Walex, Ohhh okay, so i add the new physical volume to the EXISTING volume group and then ask the LV to me moved |
| 19:34.43 | ichthys | That is enlightening |
| 19:36.05 | Walex | ichthys: yes, using 'pvmove --name LVNAME' as 'man pvmove' alleges |
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| 19:36.20 | ichthys | so my internet dropped |
| 19:36.37 | Walex | ichthys: yes, using 'pvmove --name LVNAME' as 'man pvmove' alleges |
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| 19:40.05 | ichthys_ | walex, thanks you for your help! so "pvmove --name LVNAME /dev/oldHDD /dev/newHDD" |
| 19:40.07 | wbill | z |
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| 19:41.36 | _WolfeZ_ | Hello |
| 19:41.49 | _WolfeZ_ | I want to install debian, but witch wann do i need? |
| 19:42.17 | xand | pardon? |
| 19:42.46 | _WolfeZ_ | xand, ?? |
| 19:42.53 | Vicissitude | he wants to install Debian but isn't sure which version to install |
| 19:43.03 | Walex | _WolfeZ_: the current one of course. |
| 19:43.04 | dvs | It depends on your hardware |
| 19:43.11 | AsumFace | on most systems you can use the x64 version |
| 19:43.14 | _WolfeZ_ | I136 or multi arch or ... |
| 19:43.20 | AsumFace | *amd64 |
| 19:43.28 | dvs | multiarch would be ok |
| 19:43.54 | _WolfeZ_ | debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso this one? |
| 19:44.03 | dvs | that'll work |
| 19:44.06 | adc | _WolfeZ_: Which processor is installed in the computer you want to install it on? |
| 19:45.22 | _WolfeZ_ | adc, Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz |
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| 19:46.05 | adc | _WolfeZ_: great, in that case you'll want to get the amd64 image |
| 19:46.16 | _WolfeZ_ | adc, Oh oke |
| 19:46.49 | _WolfeZ_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.49 | _WolfeZ_ | [ ] debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-2.iso 2013-05-04 17:17 642M |
| 19:46.49 | _WolfeZ_ | [ ] debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-3.iso 2013-05-04 17:17 629M |
| 19:46.49 | _WolfeZ_ | [ ] debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-4.iso 2013-05-04 17:17 636M |
| 19:46.49 | _WolfeZ_ | [ ] debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-5.iso 2013-05-04 17:17 573M |
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| 19:47.16 | AsumFace | lol |
| 19:47.19 | _WolfeZ_ | OEPS |
| 19:47.37 | babilen | _WolfeZ_: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 19:47.45 | _WolfeZ_ | YEss |
| 19:47.49 | dvs | wired? |
| 19:47.50 | _WolfeZ_ | of course i have |
| 19:47.53 | _WolfeZ_ | No wifi |
| 19:47.55 | adc | _WolfeZ_: then get the wheezy amd64 netinst image |
| 19:48.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell _WolfeZ_ -about firmware image |
| 19:48.10 | _WolfeZ_ | i use wifi |
| 19:48.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell _WolfeZ_ -about install debian |
| 19:48.53 | _WolfeZ_ | this one with wifi/ debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso 2013-05-04 16:44 221M |
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| 19:49.09 | babilen | _WolfeZ_: I'd probably pick the amd64 flavour these days. You can also install from CD1, but those don't come with firmware. So you can provide those on a USB stick. See "/msg dpkg installer firmware" for more information about that. |
| 19:49.33 | babilen | _WolfeZ_: As I said: I would recommend the image with firmware. See the link the bot sent you. |
| 19:49.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell _WolfeZ_ -about usb install |
| 19:49.44 | babilen | (in case you want to install from a usb stick) |
| 19:49.48 | adc | _WolfeZ_: I'd recommend that you hook up the PC with wired ethernet during the installation, since the WiFi functionality _might_ not work right away due to missing firmware |
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| 19:50.49 | _WolfeZ_ | Can i install fireware later with commands? |
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| 19:51.18 | dvs | _WolfeZ_: if you are trying to install wirelessly, you need it for the install |
| 19:51.56 | _WolfeZ_ | Im just taking cd one |
| 19:52.18 | dvs | Oh, then firmware can be installed later. |
| 19:52.26 | _WolfeZ_ | dvs, |
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| 19:52.28 | _WolfeZ_ | oke |
| 19:52.44 | _WolfeZ_ | Does debian hjas the some apps as ubuntu? |
| 19:54.03 | babilen | _WolfeZ_: Ubuntu is based on Debian, so, mostly, yes. |
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| 19:54.21 | _WolfeZ_ | babilen, Does debian has more? |
| 19:54.32 | tharkun | WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: when executing lpq -a ? Why would lpq need to connect to gnome-keyring? |
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| 19:55.16 | babilen | _WolfeZ_: There are more than 35k packages in Debian, you'll be fine. |
| 19:55.41 | dvs | only? |
| 19:56.32 | _WolfeZ_ | babilen, Qt and c++ stuff to? Thats what I need |
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| 19:56.51 | _WolfeZ_ | But |
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| 19:56.58 | tharkun | ~/.cache$ lpq -a \n WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/tharkun/.cache/keyring-8y5omd/pkcs11: No such file or directory no entries |
| 19:57.21 | _WolfeZ_ | Last time that i booted debian i dindt cant use my usb anymore ause i couldnt delete anything from it... |
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| 19:57.30 | Tvilling | I've got a haswell-machine with a Intel i210-based network card that seemingly isn't supported with wheezy. Does anybody know what I need to upgrade to to get it to work? |
| 19:57.45 | adc | _WolfeZ_: yes. See http://packages.debian.org if you want to check out the packages in the repositories |
| 19:57.54 | dvs | Haswell? Good luck... |
| 19:57.57 | Tvilling | =) |
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| 19:58.43 | _WolfeZ_ | adc, st time that i booted debian i dindt cant use my usb anymore ause i couldnt delete anything from it... |
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| 19:59.32 | adc | _WolfeZ_: I'm not sure i understand you correctly. You lost usb functionality after previously installing debian? |
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| 20:05.19 | adc | _WolfeZ_: got to go, good luck. Be sure to check out the Debian installation guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
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| 20:07.39 | _WolfeZ_ | adc, I lost all the storage couse its all locked |
| 20:07.39 | _WolfeZ_ | But i can try it |
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| 20:17.15 | jswizz8 | !list |
| 20:17.15 | dpkg | jswizz8: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 20:20.50 | erwin | guys which debian version do you advice me? |
| 20:20.59 | erwin | wheezy or squeezy |
| 20:21.07 | tharkun | erwin: stable whatever is called now |
| 20:21.22 | erwin | hmm |
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| 20:21.31 | erwin | squeezy is the stable one afaik |
| 20:21.39 | AsumFace | no |
| 20:21.40 | xand | wheezy. there is no "squeezy" |
| 20:21.44 | erwin | whezy is the up to date one |
| 20:21.48 | xand | the old stable was called squeeze |
| 20:21.49 | erwin | sorry |
| 20:21.55 | AsumFace | squeeze is now oldstable |
| 20:22.06 | erwin | oky i m downloading wheezy which xfce |
| 20:22.09 | erwin | with* |
| 20:22.27 | erwin | i hope it detects me wireless card . i am tired of using ubuntu |
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| 20:24.03 | dvs | erwin: probably not |
| 20:24.10 | erwin | ??* |
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| 20:24.17 | erwin | why not |
| 20:24.30 | erwin | wht is the kernel version of 7.0 |
| 20:24.36 | erwin | isnot it 3.x? |
| 20:24.43 | dvs | at least not during the install. YOu probably need firmware during installation. |
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| 20:25.05 | dvs | if you intend to install wirelessly. |
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| 20:25.22 | tharkun | erwin: lspci -nn |
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| 20:25.53 | mumpitze1 | erwin: it's 3.2.0 |
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| 20:26.15 | mumpitze1 | erwin: what wlan chip do you have? and you can also get a netinst image with the non-free firmware already included |
| 20:26.18 | mumpitze1 | !firmware image |
| 20:26.19 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 20:27.27 | erwin | mumpitze1, 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 93) |
| 20:27.38 | erwin | it is intel. |
| 20:27.42 | mumpitze1 | that's not wlan chip |
| 20:27.50 | dvs | that's just the PCI bridge |
| 20:27.50 | mumpitze1 | *not a |
| 20:27.51 | erwin | en moment |
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| 20:28.11 | mumpitze1 | lspci -nn|grep thernet |
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| 20:28.15 | erwin | 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232] |
| 20:28.16 | erwin | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02) |
| 20:28.16 | tharkun | .pciid 8086:2448 |
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| 20:28.31 | erwin | realtek |
| 20:28.37 | dvs | you need firmware |
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| 20:28.59 | zykotick9 | mumpitze1: fyi, all my asus eeepcs (i've owned many different models) support wireless installs without the non-official-firmware-images so it's all very h/w depenedent. but i don't think recommending the firmware installers from the get-go i necessarily a good idea... |
| 20:29.03 | tharkun | judd: pciid 8086:2448 |
| 20:29.04 | judd | [8086:2448] is '82801 Mobile PCI Bridge' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2448 |
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| 20:29.47 | tharkun | :( |
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| 20:30.01 | erwin | so i dont need to install non free firmware |
| 20:30.03 | erwin | right? |
| 20:30.28 | dvs | wrong |
| 20:30.36 | erwin | i have to install:( |
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| 20:30.48 | tharkun | erwin: firmware-iwlwifi is your package, grab it and throw it into a usb key |
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| 20:31.07 | tharkun | after unpacking it (obvious) |
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| 20:31.39 | erwin | hmm |
| 20:31.52 | erwin | last question how can i install debian iso t a usb |
| 20:31.53 | mumpitze1 | zykotick9: cause your eepcs use atheros ath5k. |
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| 20:32.03 | erwin | do i have to do boot bla bla |
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| 20:32.14 | mumpitze1 | zykotick9: and e.g. babilen recommends them all the time |
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| 20:32.23 | tharkun | erwin: t a usb ?? |
| 20:32.29 | mamed | yes |
| 20:32.33 | mumpitze1 | zykotick9: and he does need firmware |
| 20:32.34 | mamed | to install debian from usb |
| 20:32.43 | tharkun | !usb |
| 20:32.44 | dpkg | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
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| 20:33.41 | minipli | how can I use snapshot.debian.org for specific packages instead of the whole archive at a given timestamp? |
| 20:34.04 | minipli | I would like to install older versions of gcc |
| 20:34.18 | mamed | minipli, use synaptic |
| 20:34.26 | mamed | you can search old version |
| 20:34.27 | mamed | afaik |
| 20:35.17 | minipli | I would like to setup a apt aources.list instead to get compilers from older releases as well |
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| 20:37.04 | minipli | I know it used to work before but I don't know how the deb line looked like -- lost the sources.list I had |
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| 20:37.33 | zykotick9 | mumpitze1: mind joining #debian-offtopic (on freenode for a second?) |
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| 20:39.05 | mamed | get the source code and compile it |
| 20:39.14 | hyppias | a dhcp server hands out static IP addresses, that is, it has a pool, of addresses it can hand out to static clients. But where does DHCP get the dynamic addesses ? (I see in the DNS files, that they have lists of name-IP addresses.. does DHCP get them from these lists? |
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| 20:45.03 | wbill | does wheezy use a linux kernel still? |
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| 20:45.25 | AsumFace | uhm yes? |
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| 20:46.01 | wbill | what version i didn't see that anywhere |
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| 20:46.28 | AsumFace | 3.2 |
| 20:46.41 | wbill | k ty |
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| 20:47.41 | AsumFace | you should get the kernel version using "uname -v" |
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| 20:51.07 | OpenTokix | uname -r for kernelversion |
| 20:51.22 | OpenTokix | uname -v gives time and SMP/UNP info |
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| 20:52.10 | AsumFace | lol, my bad (numbers look similar :P) |
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| 20:57.48 | dekiss | how can I check if php-fpm is installed on my debian 7 ? |
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| 20:58.28 | dekiss | how is php-fpm package called 'php-fpm'? |
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| 20:59.04 | dekiss | sorry it is installed as php5-fpm I was not sure about it's name |
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| 20:59.43 | uuni | hello |
| 20:59.58 | AsumFace | hi |
| 21:00.05 | uuni | i need to get help |
| 21:00.10 | uuni | ok heres my issue: |
| 21:00.42 | uuni | when logging in a few hours ago i saw the option to login under the "default xsession" |
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| 21:01.13 | uuni | unfortunately, it was just a black screen, and now i am in weechat under a virtual terminal because i cannot shutdown my computer or exit that "default xsession" |
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| 21:01.35 | uuni | does anyone know how to resolve this |
| 21:01.49 | wbill | apparently if you ask ? in irc im automatically ignorant |
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| 21:02.02 | AsumFace | ctrl + alt + any F key |
| 21:02.04 | mumpitze1 | uuni: kill X, restart your DM, etc |
| 21:02.12 | uuni | i cant kill x though |
| 21:02.18 | mumpitze1 | uuni: why not? |
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| 21:03.04 | uuni | no processes found |
| 21:03.15 | uuni | i cant open a terminal where my desktop would be |
| 21:03.21 | AsumFace | do you have htop? |
| 21:03.22 | uuni | like, ctrl alt f7 |
| 21:03.32 | uuni | i have a laptop |
| 21:03.39 | uuni | but i dont use anything besides the monitor |
| 21:03.43 | mumpitze1 | uuni: ps aux |grep X (as root) |
| 21:03.55 | mumpitze1 | uuni: or what DM do you use? |
| 21:04.02 | uuni | xfce |
| 21:04.07 | uuni | or wait |
| 21:04.10 | uuni | gdm?? |
| 21:04.19 | mumpitze1 | xdm usually for xfce |
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| 21:04.24 | AsumFace | i use mate and login via shell |
| 21:04.27 | mumpitze1 | ps aux |grep dm |
| 21:04.53 | uuni | ooh |
| 21:04.58 | uuni | it says lightdm |
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| 21:06.24 | cantoma | hey guys, i was wondering if it is possible to add the following lines to my xorg.conf file as shwo |
| 21:06.34 | cantoma | hey guys, i was wondering if it is possible to add the following lines to my xorg.conf file as show in file http://pastebin.com/2PKAQite |
| 21:06.45 | cantoma | sorry for the double posting |
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| 21:07.10 | tharkun | cantoma: TIAS |
| 21:07.24 | cantoma | my intention is to prevent the screen from going black |
| 21:07.34 | cantoma | even after 2 hours of inactivity |
| 21:08.13 | cantoma | at the moment is happens every 20 min |
| 21:08.23 | cantoma | it is annoying when i am watching a movie |
| 21:08.26 | tharkun | cantoma: xset q |
| 21:08.45 | cantoma | tharkun, will that command alone solve that? |
| 21:09.08 | tharkun | take a look at it the DPMS part. Are you running gnome? |
| 21:09.17 | cantoma | tharkun, wmaker |
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| 21:09.42 | cantoma | DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600 Suspend: 600 Off: 600 DPMS is Enabled Monitor is On |
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| 21:09.56 | cantoma | so there is something in front of suspend |
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| 21:10.07 | tharkun | cantoma xset dpms 0 0 0 should work for you, or at least tryit |
| 21:10.20 | cantoma | i see |
| 21:10.24 | cantoma | they all end to 0 |
| 21:10.28 | cantoma | went |
| 21:10.34 | cantoma | hmm |
| 21:10.47 | cantoma | tharkun, can i make it permanent? |
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| 21:11.16 | tharkun | cantoma: It should be possible, I just haven't got the time yet to research how to do it. |
| 21:13.07 | cantoma | tharkun, thanks for the command |
| 21:13.28 | cantoma | i am just going to restart X to see if it is permanent |
| 21:13.38 | cantoma | as i added to .xinitrc |
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| 21:13.42 | cantoma | hopefully it will |
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| 21:14.03 | tharkun | Please do so and report back if it did. |
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| 21:14.44 | userfree | kde should be default. much better then gnome. |
| 21:15.20 | AsumFace | i prefer mate |
| 21:15.43 | userfree | now kde is crazy good |
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| 21:19.34 | AsumFace | maybe i'll try kde |
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| 21:23.05 | spidernik | hi all |
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| 21:23.11 | AsumFace | hi |
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| 21:23.52 | spidernik | I'd like some opinion on some idea. Probably already in place but worth sharing |
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| 21:24.37 | spidernik | after the events in NY a few months ago (the huge hurricane) |
| 21:24.49 | spidernik | restoring the communications has been quite a big task |
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| 21:25.15 | jacklk | debhelper: nice one |
| 21:25.17 | jacklk | ... |
| 21:25.18 | spidernik | how would an IT team face such a challenge? How can you restore the infrastructure in a fast way? |
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| 21:26.31 | spidernik | The best way would probably be to take a few servers and deploy all the OSes and software on demand. Is there something, some distro or framework to achieve this? |
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| 21:26.55 | spidernik | It would be cool to have, say, a Debian image |
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| 21:27.22 | spidernik | you deploy it and then some automation tool kicks in, like Puppet. |
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| 21:28.12 | mzmz | the system installer from the CD didn't install the "Desktop Environment" for some reason, the system is up and running though. how do I install it manually now? |
| 21:28.21 | spidernik | you choose the number of nodes and the suff gets installed. Some basic setup like: voip server, routing suite (quagga/zebra), dhcp, mailserver... |
| 21:28.31 | mzmz | I mean, I get booted into the command line |
| 21:28.39 | mzmz | (using irssi right now) |
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| 21:28.58 | wolfmitchell | Even when loading all the snd-* kernel modules, my sound does not work... I ran alsa-info.sh already: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b3e372b0e4ca524058d97dca5615dada9f8b841b |
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| 21:29.10 | spidernik | try tasksel |
| 21:29.30 | mzmz | also apologies if it's a "noob question", I'm sure it's something simple like "apt-get install xfce" or something like that :/ |
| 21:29.59 | AsumFace | yea |
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| 21:30.44 | AsumFace | for mate you can use apt-get install mate-desktop-environment for example |
| 21:31.01 | alienjeff | wolfmitchell: you run alsamixer? |
| 21:31.06 | spidernik | or apt-get tasksel && tasksel |
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| 21:31.21 | spidernik | then you can select some "package groups" |
| 21:31.22 | mzmz | AsumFace: I see, thanks |
| 21:31.33 | mzmz | AsumFace: mind if I ask... what's "mate" ? |
| 21:31.41 | wolfmitchell | alienjeff, yeah, everything is unmuted and at max volume |
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| 21:31.52 | AsumFace | a gnome2 clone |
| 21:32.06 | alienjeff | worstadmin: alsactl store ? |
| 21:32.21 | mzmz | AsumFace: I see, what does the debian installation script install by default for "desktop environment"? I mean which package |
| 21:32.36 | dekiss | how can I install macedonian support for language in debian 7? |
| 21:33.35 | mumpitze1 | mzmz: depends on the installer you use |
| 21:33.45 | AsumFace | mzmz: i think it is mate-desktop-environment, but i'm not sure; on my installation it installes the old gnome2 |
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| 21:34.03 | mamed | guys do i have t oextract non free firmware files to install them during the installation |
| 21:34.05 | mumpitze1 | AsumFace: you are mistaken. there is no mate in debian |
| 21:34.05 | mzmz | mumpitze1: I see |
| 21:34.10 | mzmz | AsumFace: alright, thanks |
| 21:34.23 | mumpitze1 | mzmz: the most common one is gnome3. others are kde, xfce and lxde. |
| 21:34.37 | AsumFace | for mate you have to edit the sources.list afaik |
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| 21:35.03 | mamed | guys do i have to extract non free firmware files to install them during the installation.or the installation detects the tar.gz file automatically? |
| 21:35.07 | mumpitze1 | AsumFace: it's not in debian, period |
| 21:35.10 | wolfmitchell | alienjeff, did you mean for that to go to me? |
| 21:35.20 | mzmz | mumpitze1: what would be the package to install to have xfce? (for some reason apt-get doesn't complete package names for me :/) |
| 21:35.39 | alienjeff | er, yes wolfmitchell |
| 21:35.47 | alienjeff | nick completion failage here |
| 21:35.48 | alienjeff | ;) |
| 21:36.02 | mumpitze1 | mzmz: xfce4. apt-cache search xfce |
| 21:36.15 | mzmz | mumpitze1: ah, thanks ! |
| 21:36.23 | wolfmitchell | alienjeff, ran that |
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| 21:36.33 | reimorster | guys, how can I get and use latest gcc ? (c++11) |
| 21:36.34 | wolfmitchell | no output |
| 21:36.37 | mamed | i think i will do it myself |
| 21:36.52 | mamed | see you next hours i am going to install a debian |
| 21:37.05 | mumpitze1 | ,v gcc |
| 21:37.07 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; jessie: 4:4.7.2-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; experimental: 4:4.8-0exp2 |
| 21:37.26 | alienjeff | wolfmitchell: sorry. that's all I've got. |
| 21:37.32 | wolfmitchell | :/ |
| 21:37.42 | alienjeff | bbiaf |
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| 21:37.49 | mumpitze1 | reimorster: http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html shows that gcc 4.7 can do most of C++11 |
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| 21:38.58 | reimorster | thanks mumpitze1 |
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| 21:42.16 | reimorster | what are the disadvantages in using a live on flash drive distro? is there any? i am a newcomer. |
| 21:42.32 | mmnicolas | reimorster: its slower |
| 21:42.42 | mumpitze1 | no proper persistent storage |
| 21:42.50 | dekiss | how can I make so I can type in macedonian letters in debian 7? |
| 21:43.03 | mumpitze1 | !locales |
| 21:43.04 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 21:44.40 | dekiss | mumixam, but I don't want to use debian in macedonian fonts I just want to be able to hange keys so I can type in macedonian sometime |
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| 21:45.22 | reimorster | i have 8gb of ram and the flash usb has 16gb, with debian live.. my goal is to program in standard c++. visual studio does lacks support to many of the 'new' features. |
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| 21:46.16 | reimorster | with this purpose should I better made a dualboot installation? |
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| 21:47.06 | ws2k3 | what can i do from the grub console |
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| 21:50.11 | Walex | dekiss: usually that mans changing keyboard layout. That depends on which enviropnment you use |
| 21:50.42 | dekiss | Walex, will that give me shift+alt option to change in which language I am writing? |
| 21:50.57 | dekiss | like in windows is alt+shift |
| 21:51.11 | dekiss | to change language letters in which I type |
| 21:51.19 | mzmz | installed xfce, when I do "startx" I get "X: user not authorized to run X server", any hints? |
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| 21:52.14 | dekiss | I am on gnome in debian 7 |
| 21:52.51 | mtn | mzmz: are you doing that as root? |
| 21:52.54 | dvs | !win dekiss |
| 21:52.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, dekiss! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 21:54.49 | mzmz | mtn: no |
| 21:54.56 | mzmz | mtn: as root it works fine |
| 21:55.13 | mzmz | mtn: but I don't want to run xfce4 as root |
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| 21:55.46 | mtn | mzmz: not sure why that is happening, but how about isntalling a dm, like gdm? |
| 21:56.01 | petn-randall | dekiss: So you want to use different keyboard layouts? |
| 21:56.06 | histo | mzmz: what groups is your user in? |
| 21:56.16 | dekiss | petn-randall, yes |
| 21:56.28 | histo | mzmz: Believe your user would have to be in atleast the video group |
| 21:56.46 | petn-randall | dekiss: gnome has support for that, in settings ➠ keyboard, I think |
| 21:56.52 | mzmz | histo: user cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev |
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| 21:57.16 | mzmz | mtn: that might be a good idea |
| 21:57.17 | dekiss | petn-randall, I can't find |
| 21:57.27 | histo | mzmz: that's bizarre did you log in and out after adding your user to those groups? |
| 21:57.33 | ivanovnegro | dekiss, i do not use gnome but it is possible, something like: system -> preferences -> keyboard -> layout, add macedonian |
| 21:57.44 | KostyaSha | could somebody point me on man who is know very well debian build system and available in irc to chat? |
| 21:57.52 | mzmz | histo: I didn't add the user to the groups, the installer did it automagically |
| 21:58.20 | histo | mzmz: what's in your users xinitrc? |
| 21:58.45 | mzmz | histo: it's non-existent |
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| 21:59.07 | dekiss | nice |
| 21:59.09 | dekiss | I found it |
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| 21:59.14 | dekiss | sorry all for bothering :S |
| 21:59.18 | ivanovnegro | dekiss, look it up in the gnome control center under keyboard, damn i forgot everything about gnome |
| 21:59.22 | histo | mzmz: so how do you expect startx to start xfce? |
| 21:59.22 | dekiss | however what means dead keys? |
| 21:59.36 | histo | mzmz: isn't it startxfce4 or something like that |
| 21:59.45 | dekiss | I was confused with locales |
| 21:59.56 | dekiss | some guy above gived me locales and that is not what I asked :S |
| 22:00.10 | dekiss | locales are for using linux in native language.. so I got confused sorry |
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| 22:00.21 | dekiss | if you know what are dead keys tell me=thanks :) and sry again |
| 22:00.30 | mzmz | histo: it's still the same message - "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" |
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| 22:00.43 | histo | dekiss: edit your keyboard language settings |
| 22:01.04 | reimorster | how can i get latest graphics drivers to my vga? 8800gtx G80 nvidia. |
| 22:01.05 | mzmz | I'll probably just install a dm |
| 22:01.34 | dekiss | nice ok thanks |
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| 22:02.16 | dekiss | oh also I have that problem too, I think I haven't installed good driver, I have radeon hd 5* graphic card any idea how to isntall latest driver? |
| 22:02.23 | zykotick9 | reimorster: i did successfully use the debian-dpkg nvidia method with the drivers from experimental (to get 310+) on a wheezy box a month ago... YMMV. good luck. |
| 22:02.32 | histo | mzmz: you don't need a dm |
| 22:02.49 | reimorster | zykotick9, thanks bro |
| 22:03.05 | mzmz | histo: what do you suggest instead? |
| 22:03.18 | histo | mzmz: look at /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 22:03.49 | histo | mzmz: or dpkg-reconfigure x11-common to change the allowed users |
| 22:05.02 | mzmz | histo: I don't actually have dpkg-reconfigure for some reason |
| 22:05.22 | histo | mzmz: what is the allowed users value set to in that file? |
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| 22:05.41 | mzmz | histo: allowed_users=console |
| 22:05.50 | histo | mzmz: Are you logged in locally to the machine? |
| 22:05.55 | mzmz | histo: yes |
| 22:05.59 | histo | mzmz: that's odd. |
| 22:06.06 | mzmz | histo: oh wait, I'm using the gnu screen |
| 22:06.10 | mzmz | that might be it :/ |
| 22:06.11 | histo | lol |
| 22:06.33 | mzmz | histo: ok now it's fine, thanks |
| 22:07.22 | histo | mzmz: root was able to startx in screen though right? |
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| 22:09.52 | mzmz | histo: yeah |
| 22:10.20 | mzmz | it's working now though so guess I'll leave it for now |
| 22:10.27 | mzmz | thanks man |
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| 22:11.23 | histo | mzmz: well you could change it to allowed users anybody then you could startx in screen with a regular user. |
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| 22:12.48 | mzmz | histo: I see |
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| 22:14.06 | histo | mzmz: man Xwrapper.config |
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| 22:14.47 | glycol | what makes synaptic-pkexec ask for the user password every single time it's launched? |
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| 22:16.23 | dekiss | I was installing driver for ati radeon graphic card and my internet connection dropped on the middle of installation and I got error I restarted my pc and now I can't see that menu in top left that is like windows start menu , I just see 'Activities' menu |
| 22:17.09 | dekiss | what could go wrong? I also don't see tabs in the bottom of screen like before but I need to go to top left to see tabs - windows |
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| 22:18.55 | glycol | dekiss: previously you were in gnome's fallback mode, now you're in 'full experience' mode |
| 22:19.11 | mamed | hello guys . a question about non free firmwares . iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode and 4 3 2 1 . how can i install them during installation |
| 22:19.41 | dvs | !ig |
| 22:19.42 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 22:19.43 | dekiss | glycol, hm? |
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| 22:20.19 | dekiss | I have two monitors when I change from mirror to one monitor I can't see properly :S |
| 22:20.56 | dekiss | hm wait |
| 22:21.12 | dekiss | ok so now how can I access that shortcut menu like windows start menu? |
| 22:21.15 | dekiss | I miss it :S |
| 22:21.18 | mamed | i read it. also i have downloaded the package and extract it but it did not work ? do i have t ocreate a firmwares directory and copy the files(not with subdirectories) into it? |
| 22:21.21 | glycol | dekiss: the interface with the "activities" menu is gnome's default interface, the one with tabs on the bottom and stuff is called fallback mode |
| 22:21.24 | dekiss | I got used to it and is very usefull |
| 22:21.40 | dekiss | glycol, can I get that interface back? |
| 22:21.45 | dekiss | in full mode |
| 22:22.05 | glycol | dekiss: you can log out and select 'gnome classic' in the lower left corner |
| 22:22.09 | dekiss | I mean applications menu can I get it on desktop? |
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| 22:22.32 | dekiss | can I just put Applications in desktop on top left or somewhere? |
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| 22:23.01 | mtn | mamed: there are images with the firmware. type: /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 22:23.39 | mamed | sorry?? |
| 22:23.45 | dekiss | can you see this ? http://www.mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/webgl/clouds/ |
| 22:23.58 | mamed | i am trying ot install them during installation from a usb device |
| 22:24.01 | dekiss | when I try to open it it says sorry your graphic card doesn't support webgl |
| 22:24.24 | mtn | mamed: yes, I know. I was giving you another, perhaps easier, option |
| 22:24.29 | dekiss | this means I haven't installed good graphic card drivers? how can I install drivers for my ati radeon hd 5* card? I tried from synaptic package manager |
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| 22:24.55 | mtn | dekiss: if your installation of drivers stopped partway, you need to redo it |
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| 22:26.23 | dekiss | mtn, I think when I go again in it it wasn't installed at all at least it said so so I installed it again |
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| 22:26.41 | dekiss | now I think I should have good drivers I can see gnome in full mode but I am not sure coz I can';t open http://www.mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/webgl/clouds/ |
| 22:26.42 | dekiss | you can? |
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| 22:26.49 | mamed | hmm . well i will try this way. i have seen the iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode-8.24.2.12 in the folder . i copied this into root folder and renamed it iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode . i hope it works |
| 22:26.51 | mamed | se you then |
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| 22:27.13 | dekiss | its webgl technolllogy something like opengl butfor web some animation that need graphic card to be displayed |
| 22:27.19 | mtn | dekiss: mine says the same thing, and I have full mode |
| 22:27.31 | glycol | try something else like glxgears |
| 22:28.00 | glycol | mesa-utils provides it |
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| 22:29.42 | mtn | dekiss: if gnome is full mode, your drivers are fine |
| 22:31.01 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 22:31.17 | dekiss | ill try installing rest of the drivers it seems I haven't installed catalyst |
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| 22:34.39 | phlux | Hey folks..I'm trying to secure access to one of our Debian server's sshd via iptables, but for some reason, what I'm doing blocks ALL connections on the SSH port even though I've set certain hosts to accept. I'm using the following commands: 'iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --source ip.with.access --dport ssh_port -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2084 -j DROP' |
| 22:34.59 | phlux | Does anyone have any idea why it's not allowing ip.with.access through? |
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| 22:39.22 | xand | phlux: have you got a rule for established/related? |
| 22:39.41 | angs | I compile openssl-1.0.1e on Debian lenny. make is completed successfully, would it be correct to follow the instruction on http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/openssl.html , if you don't recommend it how do you suggest me to complete the installation? |
| 22:39.43 | xand | phlux: I would remove the state parts. |
| 22:39.55 | phlux | xand: No, I don't. I don't have any iptables rules afaik. |
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| 22:40.15 | xand | phlux: well that's the problem |
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| 22:40.37 | xand | try again without "-m state --state NEW" |
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| 22:41.58 | phlux | Aha, that seems to do it. |
| 22:42.01 | phlux | Thanks, xand. |
| 22:42.04 | jhutchins_wk | angs: Hard to say, we usually do packages. You can build a debian package using debian's openssl as an example. |
| 22:42.17 | xand | lenny?! |
| 22:42.38 | jhutchins_wk | angs: Why did you need to build it yourself? |
| 22:42.53 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions openssl |
| 22:42.54 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2; jessie: 1.0.1e-3; sid: 1.0.1e-3 |
| 22:43.14 | angs | jhutchins_wk, apt-get install does not install very old version of openssl (because of lenny) . The device that I am using support only lenny. |
| 22:43.52 | jhutchins_wk | angs: Ah, I'm familiar with that situation. But still, lenny's openssl works fine for me. |
| 22:44.02 | jhutchins_wk | angs: You could look into backporting it. |
| 22:44.04 | jhutchins_wk | !backport |
| 22:44.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:44.05 | angs | is there anyway how "apt-get install ..." compile the openssl on wheezy or jessie? |
| 22:44.38 | jhutchins_wk | angs: Not recommended. |
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| 22:49.59 | epitamizor | how do I get dhcpd to listen on a specified interface? |
| 22:49.59 | dekiss | I have broke my debian 7 os somehow now I can't get in gnome, please I have very importnat files on hard disk of which I need back up how can I copy them to usb or to email or something? |
| 22:51.00 | mtn | dekiss: use a live disk and copy them to usb or cd |
| 22:51.24 | mtn | dekiss: or work from terminal/tty |
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| 22:51.57 | dekiss | how to get live disk |
| 22:52.10 | mtn | dekiss: ? |
| 22:52.12 | dekiss | now I shoudl learn linux terminal commands all night :S |
| 22:53.48 | ws2k3 | hello i have just moved my boot disk to /dev/md0 and now i''m facing a grub file not found |
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| 22:54.51 | dekiss | any way to easy copy paste 2 files from hard disk to usb from terminal? |
| 22:55.13 | ws2k3 | dekiss use cp? |
| 22:55.34 | dekiss | I know 0 about linux terminal commands |
| 22:55.43 | ws2k3 | type man cp |
| 22:55.58 | ws2k3 | a good place to start |
| 22:56.14 | ws2k3 | http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/cp.1.php |
| 22:56.55 | dekiss | ok thanks all guys for help |
| 22:57.14 | dekiss | I was installing radeon driver I installed all drivers that were in synaptic when I wrote radeon and my os broke |
| 22:57.20 | dekiss | cant get in gnome anymore why? :S |
| 22:57.42 | dekiss | by the way usb disk will be read in debian terminal now? |
| 22:57.43 | dekiss | :S |
| 22:58.16 | ws2k3 | hello i have just moved my boot disk to /dev/md0 and now i''m facing a grub file not found |
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| 23:01.52 | elisa87 | Hi I have mounted a disk image I have created myself with ext2 filesystem but none of those common folders has been created in the disk image which is mounted...can you take a look at this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5746669/ |
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| 23:03.27 | dekiss | how can I access usb disk from terminal? |
| 23:03.42 | ws2k3 | dekiss probarly you should moun it |
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| 23:04.15 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, before you can mount, look in /dev to find out the actual name of partiition, then mount it and cd into dir you mounted it in |
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| 23:04.56 | glycol | he said recently that he barely knows a thing about terminals |
| 23:05.15 | vadimkolchev | glycol, oh, just logged in, sorry, didn't know it |
| 23:05.33 | mtn | dekiss: you might be able to get gnome working again by deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:06.30 | glycol | dekiss: to delete xorg.conf just do "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 23:07.22 | vadimkolchev | glycol, he uses sudo? |
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| 23:08.40 | glycol | ahhh |
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| 23:09.23 | glycol | dekiss: to delete xorg.conf type "su", type in your root password then type "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 23:10.15 | dekiss | I am trying and I think I am succedeing in making backup to usb .. |
| 23:10.35 | dekiss | what you people use mostly for linux I mean which interface? do you use graphic interface? |
| 23:10.44 | md_5 | Hi, I'm running debian 6, with all the latest updates, however for the life of me I cannot make my cron job run.. This is what it looks like: 0 0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21 * * * /home/michael/mysql-backups/backup.sh |
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| 23:11.21 | dekiss | thank you all for help |
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| 23:11.28 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, I use default gnome 3 for my 7.0 installation. Love it. |
| 23:11.36 | dekiss | I knwo about terminals alot but I totally forgot linux comands |
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| 23:12.02 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, it happens, no problem )) and you are welcome |
| 23:12.13 | mtn | dekiss: you might be able to get gnome working again by deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:12.15 | dekiss | Its easy now I managed to do the thing I guess, I stil lam confused why my os broke |
| 23:12.21 | phlux | dekiss: I use i3wm locally (Gentoo) but for all of my servers (90% of them are Debian) I just prefer to sit at the CLI :) |
| 23:12.34 | md_5 | and yes, the backip script does work when I execute it |
| 23:12.46 | dekiss | I installed all drivers I found with radeon search, where are graphic card drivers located in synaptic? how can I install newest radeon graphic cards? |
| 23:12.49 | dekiss | card* |
| 23:13.16 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, you need proprietary or free? |
| 23:13.20 | glycol | mtn: do ati drivers touch xorg.conf at all? |
| 23:13.37 | dekiss | well I need what is best :) |
| 23:13.52 | mtn | glycol: all the proprietary drivers do, I think |
| 23:14.04 | dekiss | it warned me before installing that I haven't configure graphic driver :S |
| 23:14.19 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, i prefer open source |
| 23:14.22 | dekiss | so do I need to set up something manually before installign the,m? |
| 23:14.38 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, I think it is known as xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 23:15.03 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, you have to install X, if you don't have one |
| 23:15.21 | mtn | vadimkolchev: he had it working fine and then broke it |
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| 23:15.49 | vadimkolchev | mtn, ok, then he highly likely has X installed. And what is wrong? |
| 23:16.11 | mtn | vadimkolchev: he tried installing proprietary drivers and failed somehow |
| 23:16.23 | vadimkolchev | mtn, ah, I see, thx |
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| 23:16.26 | dekiss | I haven't instaleld those x open source alternative drivers Ithink |
| 23:16.42 | mtn | dekiss: you said it crashed in the middle of driver installation |
| 23:16.50 | md_5 | Jun 8 23:14:01 staminus /USR/SBIN/CRON[24656]: (michael) CMD (/home/michael/mysql-backups/backup.sh) |
| 23:16.50 | md_5 | Jun 8 23:14:01 staminus /USR/SBIN/CRON[24655]: (CRON) error (grandchild #24656 failed with exit status 2) |
| 23:16.51 | md_5 | hum |
| 23:16.59 | dekiss | can I mount usb that is formated in windows? |
| 23:17.11 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, yes, you can |
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| 23:17.57 | dekiss | it says special device /dev/sdb1 doesn not exist :S |
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| 23:18.22 | dekiss | I could mount debian start up usb with no problem but this one i cant |
| 23:18.29 | vadimkolchev | cd in /dev and see what sdX devices there exist |
| 23:18.58 | vadimkolchev | could your paste the output of ls /dev command? |
| 23:19.10 | dekiss | how? :S |
| 23:19.18 | dekiss | im on other pc cahtign with u |
| 23:19.41 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, does your problematic pc boot? |
| 23:19.42 | dekiss | there is only sdb |
| 23:19.46 | elisa87 | bash: ls: command not found (what should I do after chroot to make ls known?) |
| 23:19.50 | dekiss | no sdb1 |
| 23:19.59 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, what is there in your usb? |
| 23:20.04 | dekiss | with fdisk -l I get /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:20.22 | dekiss | vadimkolchev im not sure some win files |
| 23:20.31 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, do you need them? |
| 23:20.58 | dekiss | vadimkolchev yeah' |
| 23:21.04 | dekiss | ok ill lcopy them here wait |
| 23:21.18 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, try to mount /dev/sdb , whithout any number and see what happens |
| 23:21.47 | vadimkolchev | dekiss, ok, sorry pal, got to go urgently, sorry can't help anymore |
| 23:21.52 | vadimkolchev | bye-bye all |
| 23:22.02 | dekiss | ok if that doesnt succedd im gona format usb |
| 23:22.14 | dekiss | ok thank you for help so far vadimkolchev and all |
| 23:23.21 | glycol | isn't the usb already formatted? |
| 23:24.40 | dekiss | yes but it is formated in windows I think that might be problem |
| 23:25.06 | glycol | try "ls /dev | grep sd" |
| 23:25.16 | dekiss | copying files now iwll try mount /dev/sdb once more then im gona format it |
| 23:25.43 | dekiss | I get sda sda1 sda2 |
| 23:25.51 | dekiss | but wait usb is not in pc now |
| 23:25.53 | dekiss | sec |
| 23:25.56 | dekiss | backing up |
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| 23:31.06 | dekiss | hm |
| 23:31.21 | dekiss | I can't view files that are on the usb is this normal? |
| 23:31.34 | glycol | ls doesnt list the files? |
| 23:31.37 | dekiss | how can I format usb |
| 23:31.50 | dekiss | no |
| 23:31.55 | dekiss | but I can make directories |
| 23:32.17 | dekiss | it said mount: you must sepcify the filesystem type |
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| 23:33.09 | glycol | specify vfat, "-t vfat" |
| 23:35.27 | dekiss | how can I copy whole directory on the usb? |
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| 23:35.51 | dekiss | aw files copied from linux will be viewable in windows? |
| 23:36.09 | dekiss | usb is formated with fat32 I have journaling filesystem on linux |
| 23:36.40 | glycol | yes, "cp -r source_dir dest_dir" |
| 23:36.46 | dekiss | ok thanks |
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| 23:40.24 | dekiss | im confused, can I copy files that are in one filesystem to usb and then to copy them on other pc which uses another filesystem? |
| 23:41.13 | dekiss | I thinnk I haven't mounter my usb with mount /dev/sdb |
| 23:41.18 | dekiss | omg im lost |
| 23:41.28 | dekiss | how to format my usb in terminal |
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| 23:42.00 | glycol | first make sure dosfstools is installed, "apt-get install dosfstools" |
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| 23:43.41 | histo | dekiss: mkfs.somefilesystem /dev/sdX# |
| 23:43.42 | dekiss | ok then..? |
| 23:44.01 | glycol | did it succeed? |
| 23:44.20 | dekiss | I installed dosfstools |
| 23:44.24 | glycol | oh |
| 23:44.28 | histo | dekiss: Have you previously used this usb drive? |
| 23:44.34 | dekiss | yes |
| 23:44.39 | dekiss | i want to format it |
| 23:44.53 | glycol | mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/(usb device) |
| 23:45.31 | dekiss | but |
| 23:45.32 | glycol | it's probably /dev/sdb |
| 23:45.36 | dekiss | why I cant see faken usb :S |
| 23:45.51 | dekiss | im not sure when I write fdisk -l I get sdb1 |
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| 23:45.58 | glycol | does fdisk -l list it? |
| 23:46.02 | dekiss | isnt that for checking usb labbel? |
| 23:46.04 | dekiss | yes |
| 23:46.07 | nfm | Hi, I just installed the Debian base system (did without the desktop environment because I'm going to install Fluxbox) so I'm booting that box up in text mode right now. I have the computer plugged into my router but DHCP does not work. In /etc/network/interfaces I have auto eth0 and then iface eth0 inet dhcp. On boot it does DHCPDISCOVER a few times and then gives up. I disabled ipv6 as... |
| 23:46.10 | nfm | ...outlined on the wiki page because at first I thought that might have been the problem. My ethernet card is found, there is a driver, DHCP just...fails. I suspect this will be a wall of text sorry about that. |
| 23:46.21 | dekiss | ./dev/sdb1 but I can't mount that :(* |
| 23:46.28 | dekiss | without dot |
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| 23:46.55 | glycol | do this first: mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdb |
| 23:46.57 | dekiss | it says: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 23:46.58 | petn-randall | nfm: mii-tool or ethtool should tell you if the network card even finds a link. |
| 23:46.59 | dekiss | but fdisk lsited it |
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| 23:47.29 | WilliamDotSI | im getting OOM kills as i run out of RAM, however it does not seem that swap is used at all to cover the spikes (i added a *LOT* of swap and swap -s shows it as enabled) |
| 23:47.39 | WilliamDotSI | can i force the system to use swap or check if something is set wrong? |
| 23:47.45 | WilliamDotSI | Debian 6, latest OpenVZ kernel |
| 23:48.12 | WilliamDotSI | swappiness is set to 60. |
| 23:48.26 | dekiss | Bad number of FATs : 32 |
| 23:48.27 | nfm | petn-randall: alright, I'll see what that does |
| 23:48.48 | dekiss | ok wait |
| 23:48.53 | dekiss | done |
| 23:49.54 | glycol | can you mount it now? |
| 23:49.59 | dekiss | hm\ |
| 23:50.45 | dekiss | you must specify filesystem type |
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| 23:51.06 | dekiss | its swapspace |
| 23:51.08 | nfm | petn-randall: mii-tool says eth0: negotiated Base1000T/FD flow control, link ok. Something like that. |
| 23:51.18 | dekiss | fdisk -l lists 2 things sda1 and sda2 |
| 23:51.29 | dekiss | sda2 is swapspace I think sda1 is my harddisk |
| 23:52.06 | dekiss | I think I have /dev/sdb which is my usb but im nto sure |
| 23:52.26 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: Paste the output of 'cat /proc/meminfo', please. ⇉ http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:52.43 | dekiss | good god |
| 23:52.49 | dekiss | now I have mount it I guess |
| 23:52.51 | dekiss | :S |
| 23:52.59 | ws2k3 | hello, my debian wont boot up anymore i just moved my /boot to md0 and my / to /dev/md1 |
| 23:53.27 | petn-randall | nfm: Maybe you're missing some firmware? |
| 23:53.34 | petn-randall | ws2k3: And why should that boot? |
| 23:54.46 | dekiss | I have it now glycol thank you man for walking me through you have helped me alot thanks |
| 23:54.57 | dekiss | now I will try to reinstall debian 7 and reinstall radeon driverrs |
| 23:55.11 | ws2k3 | i changed my grub.cfg |
| 23:55.23 | ws2k3 | but it says file not found |
| 23:55.32 | ws2k3 | now i'm booted into a livecd i was wondering how to fix it |
| 23:56.08 | nfm | petn-randall: I'll google around and see if there's any I need for my device. Thanks for your help. |
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| 23:56.22 | glycol | dekiss: this could happen often so reinstalling everytime, you could try following tutorials like these: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7.0_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 23:56.34 | glycol | so reinstalling everytime isn't fun* |
| 23:57.17 | petn-randall | nfm: You can search your /var/log/kern.log for "missing". I think the warning was along the lines of "... possible missing firmware for ..." |
| 23:57.36 | nfm | petn-randall: oh, cool. |
| 23:57.50 | dekiss | glycol yeah I guess so :S I think IM ight leave radeon driver for after I finish my very important things first |
| 23:57.52 | dekiss | thanks again |
| 23:57.57 | dekiss | and for the links |
| 23:58.24 | dekiss | I would need that changes for sources.list file by the way :S |
| 23:59.54 | dekiss | and what is very bad I can't remember what I should put after my mirrors links :S and for nginx download :( |