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| 00:00.12 | chz|bacon | cool |
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| 00:00.18 | raSter^ | ImaLamer, actually i just started using screen + irssi. THe thing is. i heard many good things w/ tmux so i want to learn it too. However right now. i even dont know other useful features of screen now im starting a new one. lol |
| 00:00.21 | ImaLamer | making me feel old |
| 00:00.24 | Nanuq | Aside from being rather inefficient on slow serial terminals, it does everything and more. |
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| 00:01.46 | Nanuq | Hmm, actually more like 18 years. |
| 00:01.51 | chz|bacon | raSter^: http://blog.hawkhost.com/tag/tmux-tutorial/ |
| 00:02.03 | ImaLamer | hey, i'm about to go back to work on a Microsoft Access project so i can't get into screen vs tmux vs vi vs emacs debates |
| 00:02.04 | chz|bacon | that's the best little tmux tutorial i've found |
| 00:02.14 | raSter^ | thanks pal. i was just reading man tmux |
| 00:02.18 | ImaLamer | was forced |
| 00:02.23 | chz|bacon | had a lot of friends switch from screen to tmux and use that tutorial |
| 00:02.31 | Nanuq | 19 if you count the overlap before I committed to it completely. |
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| 00:02.42 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: MS database? |
| 00:02.57 | chz|bacon | what is that 1997 |
| 00:03.00 | vadimkolchev | ok, so now I have debian up and running, thanks everyone for help, appreciated |
| 00:03.03 | chz|bacon | ADB |
| 00:03.05 | ImaLamer | yeah, i find it to be handy for a lot of tasks actually |
| 00:03.32 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: it's great for a simple database |
| 00:03.43 | ImaLamer | in my last corporate job i used it to mangle/fix data a lot really |
| 00:03.44 | chz|bacon | i used it in some VB projects back in the day |
| 00:04.04 | chz|bacon | easy to keep it on a flash drive with the app |
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| 00:04.10 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: if you need to write a db based application fast, it's not too bad really (and cheaper than other MS alternatives) |
| 00:04.19 | chz|bacon | yeah |
| 00:04.26 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 00:04.27 | chz|bacon | sqlite is kew too |
| 00:04.34 | chz|bacon | abrotman: sorry |
| 00:04.40 | ImaLamer | abrotman: i was going to say we were getting too far |
| 00:04.41 | dekiss | ImaLamer, I needonly to make one A record in account from dymanic dns companies? |
| 00:04.42 | chz|bacon | i loves debian |
| 00:04.46 | chz|bacon | brb |
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| 00:05.48 | abrotman | dekiss: Didn't you buy this? ask the company you bought it from how to make it work |
| 00:05.59 | codepython777 | anyone has any pointers to creating vagrant wheezy box? |
| 00:06.23 | ImaLamer | dekiss: right |
| 00:06.46 | ImaLamer | dekiss: visited #networking ? |
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| 00:06.56 | dekiss | ok |
| 00:07.01 | dekiss | nop :) |
| 00:07.03 | dekiss | sry thanks |
| 00:07.18 | ImaLamer | dekiss: they will likely have more expansive answers for you really |
| 00:07.30 | dekiss | thanks |
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| 00:14.20 | vadimkolchev | is it safe to enable multiarch on Debian? |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: many people do |
| 00:15.42 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, thanks |
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| 00:21.14 | glasgowgirl | Hi |
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| 00:22.32 | ImaLamer | rite |
| 00:22.50 | vadimkolchev | hi |
| 00:22.50 | SexyGirlG | my skype am a hot girl add em guys : rose.mourad |
| 00:23.04 | vadimkolchev | lol |
| 00:23.05 | ImaLamer | o.0 |
| 00:23.14 | ImaLamer | wrong crowd |
| 00:23.41 | vadimkolchev | sorry, we installed Debian because we don't like to f**k with anything)) |
| 00:23.45 | dekiss | how can I make script that will run in terminal that will open one ulr address every 2 seconds |
| 00:24.02 | ImaLamer | dekiss, are you trying to find your IP? |
| 00:24.25 | dekiss | wget -q --read-timeout=0.0 --waitretry=5 --tries=400 --background http://ipv4.cloudns.net/api/dynamicURL/?q=MjE5ODY1OjIwMDY0NjE6N2ZhN2Q2ODZmYWEzMzgwZGI3YzJjMjU3NTEwYmYxNmQwMDEwMmZmNGJmNzgyYmMyZTQ1MzRlOWFmNDRkOWE5Yg |
| 00:24.29 | dekiss | no |
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| 00:24.37 | dekiss | .. |
| 00:24.54 | ImaLamer | every 2 seconds? |
| 00:24.55 | dekiss | this url updates records with my ip address |
| 00:25.04 | ImaLamer | and ours too |
| 00:25.05 | dekiss | I need script that will open this url every 2 seconds |
| 00:25.12 | abrotman | dekiss: you'll get banned |
| 00:25.18 | dekiss | why |
| 00:25.18 | ImaLamer | that seems like too fast |
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| 00:25.29 | ImaLamer | you can do this less than each hour |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | dekiss: you're doing it wrong .. ask the company you bough this from how to do it |
| 00:25.35 | dekiss | ok but something like few seconds |
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| 00:25.43 | dekiss | how should I do this? can I do that with wget? |
| 00:25.49 | ImaLamer | that looks like his private URL to update it :/ |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | dekiss: are you paying for this service? |
| 00:26.02 | dekiss | not yet |
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| 00:26.21 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:26.38 | dekiss | I am just testing companies I found on google |
| 00:26.41 | dekiss | their services |
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| 00:26.45 | dekiss | how they work |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | dekiss: maybe you should test their support also |
| 00:27.57 | dekiss | you are right |
| 00:28.31 | wjtaylor | what is the total in a ls -l? |
| 00:28.36 | wjtaylor | total of what? |
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| 00:29.34 | ImaLamer | S |
| 00:29.48 | dekiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.55 | abrotman | dekiss: last warning |
| 00:29.58 | dekiss | his try to open same url every 5 seconds? |
| 00:30.01 | dekiss | ok ok |
| 00:30.02 | dekiss | no more |
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| 00:36.47 | ImaLamer | what's the debian way of getting my current resolution from the command line? |
| 00:37.08 | LtL | ImaLamer: xrandr |
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| 00:58.26 | elkng | is it safe to do "Ctrl-C" if I run command "rm -rf /dir" and I want to stop it ? |
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| 01:02.57 | rudi_s | elkng: Sure. |
| 01:03.27 | rudi_s | However safe here means it will - sooner or later - stop to delete the directory. But what exactly got deleted is "random". |
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| 01:04.09 | acherion | i agree, the system won't 'half-delete' a file, so if you need to stop it for whatever reason, Ctrl-C would be 'safe' (although the files already deleted would be gone) |
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| 01:04.23 | moof2 | elkng, it should be safe, and you can't know how far it got |
| 01:04.46 | moof2 | see: rudi_s |
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| 01:05.14 | moof2 | so the deleting itself is atomic? |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | how did oyu think it happened? |
| 01:05.40 | rryoumaa | moof2: yes |
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| 01:07.04 | moof2 | abrotman, I didn't think it was atomic... but now that I think about it, I never ran across a situation where it did some form of half-delete and therefore damaged the filesystem |
| 01:07.12 | elkng | rudi_s: I mean "safe" if there will be no lost inodes or something that I need to do e2fsck |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | elkng: correct |
| 01:07.49 | rudi_s | elkng: Yes, of course. |
| 01:08.02 | rudi_s | (Otherwise the file system would be really borken.) |
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| 01:19.39 | jharri34 | hello all i attempted to install skype onto my system...what a mistake |
| 01:20.33 | jharri34 | i read the tutorial 3 time before i did anything and now something is wrong with libc and ldconfig |
| 01:22.12 | jharri34 | so now apt-get -f install doesn't fix my dependencies and apt-get upgrade no longer works |
| 01:23.05 | jharri34 | after some google i found out that libc is a big thing almost a system wrecker lol great just my luck |
| 01:23.12 | dekiss | any terminal command taht will just try to reach some url? I dont need anythin from the url also I dont need output but the command should use minimum resources as it will be setup to run each 5-10 seconds t oreach one url |
| 01:23.16 | jharri34 | can anyone help me |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | jharri34: use a pastebin to show us the problem |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | dekiss: did you try to search for this package yet? |
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| 01:24.12 | rryoumaa | dekiss: use wget or curl but OBEY ROBOTS.TXT |
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| 01:24.25 | rryoumaa | oh wait just to try it, hmm |
| 01:24.30 | rryoumaa | there should be a headers command |
| 01:25.32 | dekiss | I think nc is the command im looking for |
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| 01:25.45 | dekiss | abrotman, ye |
| 01:25.51 | dekiss | I think i found nc would do |
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| 01:26.17 | dekiss | thank you |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | that'd be a no |
| 01:26.33 | themill | nc isn't something you'd use "to reach some url" |
| 01:26.38 | rryoumaa | used to use telnet for that, must find out the differences with nc |
| 01:26.52 | Ghormoon | hi, what package do I need for basic pache modules like rewrite? in /var/lib/apache2/ there's no modules directory ... |
| 01:27.24 | jharri34 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/9431/ |
| 01:27.26 | Ghormoon | there's only /var/lib/apache2/fcgid |
| 01:27.44 | themill | Ghormoon: any particular reason you're expecting modules to be in /var? |
| 01:28.12 | Ghormoon | found that on the net :D (searching because my mod_rewrite is not working, I've enabled it, but apachectl -l doesn't show it) |
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| 01:28.48 | dekiss | well |
| 01:29.00 | dekiss | any idea what shoudl I use |
| 01:29.03 | dekiss | watch will do? |
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| 01:29.14 | abrotman | jharri34: and what's line 16 of that file ? |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | dekiss: try it and see .. |
| 01:29.23 | dekiss | I need something that will use as little resources as possible |
| 01:30.08 | acu | I want to rotate the desktops like a cube in LXDE - (I can do that in KDE, but do not know how is done in LXDE) |
| 01:30.33 | themill | Ghormoon: "-l" lists compiled-in modules not loaded modules. If you have apache installed, you already have mod_rewrite available. |
| 01:30.49 | Ghormoon | amn, in apache2ctl -M it's listet as shared ... but my php application doesn't recognize it (in_array('mod_rewrite', apache_get_modules())) |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | acu: you might have more luck with #lxde on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:31.36 | Ghormoon | anyway, where are the modules then? just curious (and I don't really wanna "find" it in whole /) |
| 01:31.37 | jharri34 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/9432/ |
| 01:31.43 | blast_hardcheese | dekiss: maybe curl, but I guess you could just echo your request into NC |
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| 01:32.00 | blast_hardcheese | *nc; but it doesn't speak HTTP, you'd have to do that yourself |
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| 01:32.37 | abrotman | jharri34: you removed libc-bin why? |
| 01:32.39 | themill | Ghormoon: "dpkg -S rewrite" might be useful |
| 01:33.40 | dekiss | thanks |
| 01:33.49 | jharri34 | abrotman: i followed this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 01:33.59 | Ghormoon | themill: thanks, really in /usr/lib :) but then why does the application behave like it wasn't there? |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | jharri34: i don't use skype, so i can't comment |
| 01:34.39 | themill | Ghormoon: did you enable the module with a2enmod? |
| 01:34.47 | wjtaylor | I can't connect to my virtualbox VM with remmina. It's enabled in the vm but I can't connect. |
| 01:34.51 | themill | jharri34: that tutorial says nothing about removing packages |
| 01:35.08 | Ghormoon | yep, also tried adding RewriteEngine On in both IfModule and <Directory /> |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | jharri34: you can take the package apart manually, put the files b |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | -b |
| 01:36.47 | jharri34 | themill: I apt-get -f install to fix the dependencies and it did it |
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| 01:37.35 | jharri34 | abrotman: okay im a noob what does that mean? |
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| 01:38.21 | jharri34 | abrotman: what package and put it back where? |
| 01:38.29 | themill | jharri34: «dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_*.deb /» |
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| 01:41.01 | jharri34 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/9433/ |
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| 01:46.52 | vsync_ | does .../libc-bin_*.deb match multiple files then |
| 01:47.06 | vsync_ | just my $ .02 |
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| 01:48.48 | hotwings | is there a command to completely rebuild my /etc/rc2.d? the links were removed by hand accidentally and for some reason update-rc.d isnt adding them back when i try to add them. the scripts are still present in /etc/init.d |
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| 01:49.48 | dvs | hotwings: copy from /etc/rc3.d ? |
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| 01:51.21 | Konomi | rc3.d and rc2.d do seem to contain exactly the same stuff on my system so copying them sounds like a good idea |
| 01:51.41 | hotwings | that doesnt solve the problem of update-rc.d not creating the symlinks though |
| 01:52.49 | themill | jharri34: so expand the * to match the correct version as vsync_ said |
| 01:53.25 | zaltekk | hotwings: adding to defaults? |
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| 01:54.21 | brw | Anyone here had issues with Logwatch in Wheezy? Google is playing dumb but the majority of the checks no longer function. |
| 01:54.34 | Konomi | that command is just a perl script would be pretty easy to read through it if you knew perl and see why it isn't making them |
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| 01:54.59 | brw | That was my next step. Was just wondering if anyone had heard of anything or had any experience. Will start digging and report back |
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| 01:55.33 | Konomi | brw: sorry that was for someone else xD |
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| 01:55.52 | Konomi | I'm too used to small channels I need to remember to use nick names |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | didn't realize we'd far surpassed 1,000 people again |
| 01:56.39 | brw | hah, though Logwatch is intact a perl script :) So it works in both. |
| 01:56.46 | brw | s/intact/indeed |
| 01:57.11 | Konomi | I was refering to hotwings and his issue with update-rc.d |
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| 01:59.25 | jharri34 | themill: vsync: libc-bin_2.13-38_amd64.deb libc-bin_2.13-38_i386.deb libc-bin_2.17-3_amd64.deb which one? |
| 01:59.41 | zaltekk | i'm sure releases cause a temporary surge in idlers |
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| 01:59.57 | zaltekk | s/releases cause/release causes/ |
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| 02:00.18 | vsync_ | jharri34: I came late, so to speak I didn't see your original problem. |
| 02:00.42 | abrotman | jharri34: which version of Debian are yo uusing? |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | jharri34: also, which version of libc6 is installed |
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| 02:02.45 | jharri34 | abrotman: Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ amd64 for the first |
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| 02:03.42 | ImaLamer | anyone using rdesktop have problems clicking and dragging wanting to take over? |
| 02:03.43 | themill | jharri34: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc-bin dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | ImaLamer: wanting to take over what? |
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| 02:06.41 | jharri34 | themill:http://paste.debian.net/9434/ i also get the following error bash: /lib/apt-cache: No such file or directory |
| 02:07.56 | dvs | jharri34: you have wheezy and jessie |
| 02:07.58 | themill | what gives that error? |
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| 02:09.14 | themill | jharri34: btw, please include the command you give when you make a pastebin |
| 02:09.16 | appleguru | still not having any luck with my wifi :( |
| 02:09.18 | appleguru | http://pastebin.com/MD0jXxkz |
| 02:10.04 | jharri34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.37 | jharri34 | themill: root@debian:/# /lib/apt-cache policy libc6 libc-bin dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy >> 33 |
| 02:11.05 | themill | jharri34: that's not the command I asked for :( |
| 02:11.17 | themill | appleguru: I assume you've already installed firmware-realtek |
| 02:11.38 | jharri34 | themill: i uploaded 33 to paste bin |
| 02:11.45 | appleguru | themill: running the rasbpi wheezy distro; comes with it built in now |
| 02:12.14 | appleguru | unless you mean something other than the RTL8188CUS driver? |
| 02:12.35 | themill | appleguru: if it needs firmware, it probably still needs firmware ... are you actually running debian there? or raspbian? |
| 02:13.01 | jharri34 | themill: apt-cache policy libc6 libc-bin dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy this command right? |
| 02:13.09 | appleguru | themill: the latter |
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| 02:14.13 | themill | jharri34: yes |
| 02:14.37 | themill | appleguru: you'll get better help in #raspbian then. There's no way we can know how their packages differ from those in debian. |
| 02:14.53 | appleguru | themill: thanks, I'll ask there :) |
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| 02:15.44 | themill | appleguru: the firmware-realtek package still exists in raspbian btw. |
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| 02:16.59 | appleguru | "firmware-realtek is already the newest version." |
| 02:17.17 | themill | ok, so at least that bit is sorted. |
| 02:17.57 | jharri34 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/9435/ |
| 02:18.06 | jharri34 | themill: sorry about the confusion |
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| 02:19.09 | ImaLamer | abrotman: rdesktop - when clicking and dragging (or scrolling) it sometimes just starts doing the action very slowly and without interupption |
| 02:19.11 | themill | jharri34: welcome to jessie! You're not running wheezy any more |
| 02:20.04 | dvs | !beer me |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for dvs |
| 02:20.05 | jharri34 | themill: ...no idea how that happen |
| 02:20.42 | themill | jharri34: well... you added testing to your sources.list and then started installing packages |
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| 02:21.04 | themill | dvs: yeah, I just wanted to know how much had come from testing at this stage |
| 02:21.19 | jharri34 | themill: yep that i did |
| 02:22.07 | jharri34 | themill: well how screwed am i |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | ImaLamer: eh .. without interruption ? |
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| 02:24.26 | jharri34 | themill: give to me striaght this is like 4th or 5th having to reistall debian i learn a little bit more each time |
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| 02:24.42 | abrotman | jharri34: you don't have to reinstall, it just won't be 'stable' |
| 02:25.11 | themill | what on earth are you doing to it that you need to keep reinstalling? And why don't you stop doing that? |
| 02:25.28 | themill | «Doctor, it hurts when I do this» «So don't do that, then» |
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| 02:25.52 | vsync_ | it seems like, *sunglasses*, he was installing skype |
| 02:26.23 | themill | that doesn't require screwing up your machine |
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| 02:27.07 | jharri34 | abrotman: woot that great news everytime i have to install i go through so much to get my video card setup or get my wireless driver to work |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | wonders which instructions on that page say to change sources to 'testing' |
| 02:32.40 | jharri34 | abrotman: that was for getting flashplugin-nonfree to work |
| 02:34.18 | themill | jharri34: flashplugin-nonfree has the same version in wheezy and jessie. No need to add testing to your sources.list |
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| 02:35.03 | abrotman | wonders where these instructions come from |
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| 02:37.28 | jharri34 | themill: I followed some tutorial that said add testing sources.list |
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| 02:37.58 | abrotman | some tutorial ... |
| 02:38.03 | jharri34 | abrotman: i google... it not really working out |
| 02:38.06 | themill | jharri34: well that tutorial is wrong. There's a huge amount of crap out there on the web. Don't believe all of it and think for yourself. |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | maybe you should ask someone here before you rollow a random tutorial |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | follow |
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| 02:39.14 | relipse | I'm trying to 'su git' but I can't remember the password, what do I do? |
| 02:39.38 | zaltekk | relipse: passwd git |
| 02:39.40 | zaltekk | as root |
| 02:39.45 | themill | relipse: root doesn't need the passwd to su |
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| 02:40.50 | jharri34 | abrotman: i should |
| 02:41.10 | relipse | I'm using PUTTY, is there a reason when I su to root and then to git i lose tab auto completion and colors and such cool shell features? |
| 02:42.18 | themill | relipse: the "git" user probably doesn't have much of a profile set up -- users that aren't designed to be interactive users might not even have bash as their shell |
| 02:42.22 | brw | relipse: ensure you have the same .bash_login or .bash_profile, or .vimrc or other dot files in the root and/or git home directories (with the right permissions. |
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| 02:44.18 | jharri34 | themill: since im on jessie which should i use libc-bin_2.13-38_amd64.deb libc-bin_2.13-38_i386.deb libc-bin_2.17-3_amd64.deb |
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| 02:45.14 | abrotman | jharri34: look on packages.debian.org |
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| 02:45.40 | tharkun | abrotman: morituri is not in wheezy What is the bot command to find out why? |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | tharkun: is it in jessie/sid? |
| 02:46.16 | tharkun | sid |
| 02:46.38 | tharkun | ,verisons morituri |
| 02:46.43 | jharri34 | abrotman: that |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | tharkun: probably the BTS is a decent place to start |
| 02:46.49 | jharri34 | abrotman: thank* |
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| 02:47.05 | jharri34 | thanks all |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | tharkun: which the first bug makes me think that's why it didn't release with wheezy |
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| 02:47.47 | themill | jharri34: the 3rd one |
| 02:48.32 | themill | ,bug #661922 |
| 02:48.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/661922 in morituri (open): «morituri: Fails to build on amd64, test failure: twisted.trial.unittest.FailTest: not equal:»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-03-02; last modified: 2013-01-22. |
| 02:48.37 | themill | tharkun: ^^ |
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| 02:49.54 | jharri34 | themill: thanks |
| 02:51.25 | tharkun | themill, abrotman: thanks |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | sysrqalt: fix your damn internet |
| 02:52.11 | tharkun | ,versions morituri |
| 02:52.12 | judd | Package: morituri on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.1-1; sid: 0.2.0-2 |
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| 02:54.33 | tharkun | themill: on bug #661922 it states Found in version morituri/0.1.2-2 and it is more than a year old. Is that a sign that the package has been orphaned? |
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| 02:55.33 | abrotman | tharkun: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/morituri.html .. doesn't look like it |
| 02:57.22 | jharri34 | is there any tool that will allow me to test to see if something will work but go back if it does? |
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| 02:58.02 | abrotman | jharri34: less vague please |
| 02:58.56 | wjtaylor | how do I add an init script using update-rc.d? |
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| 02:59.40 | jharri34 | im not to sure on technical terms but just something that will let me go back if i break my system again |
| 02:59.58 | zaltekk | test what? |
| 03:00.39 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks nice reading. |
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| 03:02.02 | dvs | jharri34: oh, that's called "backups" |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | lvm snapshot |
| 03:02.32 | jharri34 | zaltekk say if you wanted to install program a if in the process of installing program a something break i can call the abort so i would have never installed program b |
| 03:03.05 | zaltekk | jharri34: apt-get purge <package> |
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| 03:05.13 | ImaLamer | just install multiple items depending on the success of the previous? |
| 03:05.15 | jharri34 | dvs: is there a program that takes a snap shot of your computer everytime something changes? |
| 03:05.46 | ImaLamer | oh i'm slow at the reading nvm |
| 03:07.26 | dvs | jharri34: rsnapshot can backup files every so often. |
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| 03:07.35 | abrotman | lvm snapshots |
| 03:08.38 | zaltekk | backing up your systems binaries is pretty wasteful, though |
| 03:08.56 | zaltekk | it's highly unlikely you are going to install a package that breaks your system beyond repair |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | zaltekk: those are the things he keeps screwing up ? |
| 03:09.11 | zaltekk | abrotman: it was his example of what he'd want to revert |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | zaltekk: he removed libc-bin earlier |
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| 03:09.41 | zaltekk | can't he just reinstall it? |
| 03:09.49 | jharri34 | abrotman: thanks im going to read up on that right now |
| 03:10.19 | abrotman | zaltekk: no |
| 03:10.57 | zaltekk | apt-get depends on it i guess |
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| 03:12.52 | jharri34 | zaltekk: im a linux noob and ive completely broken me system several times already having to go through the process of reinstalling several occasion and starting from scratch |
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| 03:13.57 | vsync_ | jharri34: did you get it sorted |
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| 03:15.03 | jharri34 | vsync_: my computer is updating properly now and i just gave up on using skype |
| 03:15.09 | vsync_ | hah |
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| 03:16.26 | dvs | until testing breaks |
| 03:17.07 | brw | Wow, this is really odd. For some reason, there was no syslog (or equiv) package on my wheezy system. THat might be the problem... |
| 03:17.14 | vsync_ | I haven't been using debian on a desktop for a long time now, but back when I did, there was no way in hell to actually use stable on desktop |
| 03:17.33 | jharri34 | dvs: do you know of a way to get back to stable? without reinstalling |
| 03:17.36 | vsync_ | cause the stable repos lagged really behind |
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| 03:17.52 | dvs | jharri34: can't be done |
| 03:18.14 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 03:18.14 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 03:18.45 | jharri34 | ...yep waiting for the bomb to drop:) |
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| 03:21.48 | jharri34 | good night folk |
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| 03:23.23 | brw | ahh, found a few other folks who complained about sysklogd being removed. |
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| 03:36.41 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i have a very weird problem here ... i downloaded thunderbird and firefox from the website ... but when i go to execute them ... gives me => bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory |
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| 03:44.42 | peaceblaster | it's only midnight here |
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| 03:45.03 | cobra-the-joker | lol midnight |
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| 03:45.33 | peaceblaster | my hours of operation, so long as I remain unemployed, are about 4pm - 6am |
| 03:45.55 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: using out of debian repo software is technically OT in #debian, just sayin'. why not use debian's packaged versions? ... (no need to answer... it doesn't make sense to me) |
| 03:46.34 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 03:47.03 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9: it's iceweasel ... and it's 17.0.4 .... firefox now is 21 |
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| 03:47.52 | zykotick9 | ya ya... see "/msg dpkg sns" for why debian might not be a great fit for you - well... stable anyways ;) |
| 03:48.42 | cobra-the-joker | on the nets i found that it maybe an arch problem .... 64 bit here and firefox is 32bit |
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| 04:09.33 | chz|bacon | and then there was the internet |
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| 04:12.41 | SuperPhly | Is there a decent tool to sorta show me what services are being started up and on what run levels in debian 6.0? I'm using the dependency based stuff. |
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| 04:21.23 | NoOova | What directory name i can get for common files (NFS directory for all users) |
| 04:21.27 | NoOova | ? |
| 04:21.50 | NoOova | i search for /var/share or /var/common but it does not exists |
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| 04:23.41 | blast_hardcheese | NoOova: /mnt ? |
| 04:24.05 | NoOova | Why mnt? mnt is for mounted data |
| 04:24.16 | blast_hardcheese | You're mounting NFS, right? |
| 04:24.23 | NoOova | in a server side |
| 04:24.41 | blast_hardcheese | oh, you're asking about where to put hosted files? |
| 04:24.46 | NoOova | where to place user files |
| 04:24.54 | NoOova | yes |
| 04:24.56 | chz|bacon | SuperPhly: this maybe? ls -C /etc/rc*.d|more |
| 04:25.29 | blast_hardcheese | NoOova: I've seen people make directories for this directly, /nfs or /srv/nfs or something |
| 04:25.44 | NoOova | thanx. srv nfs is good |
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| 04:26.15 | blast_hardcheese | (might want a little more descriptive name than /srv/nfs, maybe /srv/nfs/homes or /srv/nfs/shared) |
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| 04:54.04 | jillsmitt | Ош http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free amd64 Packages |
| 04:54.04 | jillsmitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.12 | jillsmitt | how to fix it? |
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| 04:54.58 | jillsmitt | every time i type apt-get update i see this |
| 04:57.12 | phy1729 | apt-get -s install doesn't show the amount of space the package would take with dependancies. How can I see that? |
| 04:58.52 | jillsmitt | is there anyone alive? |
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| 04:59.46 | themill | jillsmitt: what's the issue? |
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| 05:00.39 | jillsmitt | themill, when i run 'apt-get update' i receiving Err http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources 302 Redirect [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 05:01.27 | jillsmitt | and then |
| 05:01.35 | themill | jillsmitt: can you put the full output in a pastebin along with the output of "apt-cache policy apt libc6; apt-cache policy" for me? |
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| 05:03.22 | jillsmitt | themill, http://paste.kde.org/767594/ |
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| 05:10.52 | padma | I tried to make a new account in wiki.debian.org and I got this error, "Account creation failed: Error 912: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues." If anyone can suggest a solution to this it would be grateful. |
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| 05:15.08 | themill | jillsmitt: hmm... I can't see any problem with that, and apt supports 302 redirects just fine |
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| 05:17.22 | jillsmitt | themill, my network configuration was wrong |
| 05:17.26 | jillsmitt | thanks anyway |
| 05:17.28 | themill | ah |
| 05:17.37 | jillsmitt | i am new in XEN configuration |
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| 05:18.13 | jillsmitt | fist time i configured static xenbr0 bridge |
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| 05:29.56 | Aktau | Hey guys :) |
| 05:30.30 | Aktau | I'm a very happy debian wheezy user, but there are a few niggles my current setup that bother me. I've read about the features provided by console-kit and policy kit and I decided I don't want them |
| 05:30.43 | Aktau | However, they seem to be pulled in by xfce as required so can't exactly uninstall them |
| 05:30.55 | Aktau | However, is there a cleaner way to just get them to "not start"? |
| 05:31.12 | Aktau | The internet doesn't seem to be of much help here, mostly arch users complaining about console kit and saying good riddance |
| 05:31.27 | themill | what specific problem are you trying to address? |
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| 05:32.04 | Aktau | It's not really a problem, it's not like they consume too much resources, I just don't require their funtionality |
| 05:32.16 | Aktau | And I was wondering if it would be doable (easy enough) to disable them |
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| 05:32.35 | Aktau | And still functionally use my XFCE |
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| 05:49.23 | RJ45 | jus' a little history question here: who was the first to put a GUI on Debian?, Debian themselves, Ubuntu, Knopix, other?.. |
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| 05:53.48 | themill | RJ45: the fvwm window manager, for example, has been in debian since 1996. knoppix started in 2000 and ubuntu in 2004... |
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| 05:54.33 | RJ45 | themill: thank you for ur concise answer :) |
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| 05:55.44 | RJ45 | 2nd question: who was the first to try out Gnome DE?, Debian, Ubuntu, other? |
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| 05:57.23 | themill | RJ45: gnome packages were in debian from 2002. |
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| 05:57.55 | RJ45 | so Debian was the very first OS to include Gnome Desktop Environment? |
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| 05:59.52 | themill | you'd have to check other distros like redhat linux |
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| 06:00.20 | RJ45 | so for now it's sorta a grey area? |
| 06:00.25 | RJ45 | 'k |
| 06:00.32 | RJ45 | thx m8 :) |
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| 06:00.57 | themill | it's not a grey area, it's "I have no idea off the top of my head and I don't care enough to research it for you" are |
| 06:00.58 | themill | a |
| 06:01.27 | RJ45 | XD lulz |
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| 06:04.40 | RJ45 | "GNOME is part of the GNU Project and can be used with various Unix-like operating systems, most notably GNU/Linux and as part of OpenSolaris Desktop." - Wikipedia |
| 06:05.18 | RJ45 | ...hmmm, not a very direct answer, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume OpenSolaris was the first to have Gnome |
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| 06:05.29 | themill | err no |
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| 06:07.37 | jmcnaught | i think i remember using gnome 1 in slackware, probably 2000-2001. i didn't really like it very much until a few releases into gnome 2 |
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| 06:08.30 | RJ45 | fuck!, it's sooo hard to find an actual answer to this on Google! |
| 06:08.33 | RJ45 | X_X |
| 06:08.46 | themill | probably because no-one cares... |
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| 06:10.04 | jmcnaught | every distro would have had gnome shortly after it was released. who was first to include gnome would have simply been a matter of release cycles |
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| 06:11.02 | themill | it's trivial to exclude projects like opensolaris, ubuntu, ... that didn't even exist at the time |
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| 06:11.58 | Niichan | Is there a way to turn a crunchbang install into pure debian? |
| 06:12.31 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:12.52 | RJ45 | "The first version of GNOME to ship in a Linux distribution was a derivative of GNOME 1.0" - http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html ...oookay, but seriously, NOT HELPING!!! >.< |
| 06:13.15 | themill | Niichan: no. back up your data and install the installer from debian.org |
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| 06:13.56 | Niichan | themill: Are you sure? |
| 06:14.06 | themill | RJ45: perhaps ##linux or #gnome would be better places to ask. This really isn't related to debian user support |
| 06:14.07 | themill | Niichan: yes |
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| 06:14.42 | Niichan | themill: I have services I would rather not go down on this server, is there any way around this? |
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| 06:15.30 | RJ45 | "October GNOME (1.0.55) ...This release was cordinated by Elliot Lee at Red Hat." - - - "This release of GNOME was pretty solid and got distributed by various Linux vendors." - http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html |
| 06:15.35 | RJ45 | ...well I be damned |
| 06:15.45 | themill | RJ45: still not debian related |
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| 06:16.00 | RJ45 | apparently the first OS was either Red Hat or a multitude of OSs |
| 06:16.09 | RJ45 | neato |
| 06:16.14 | RJ45 | (^_^) |
| 06:16.15 | themill | you could install on a different machine and then cut-over, or you could install and configure in a chroot on a different partition and boot into that |
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| 06:17.13 | Niichan | My main problem is that I have updated from Squeeze to Wheezy and then tried to compile ZNC and got this |
| 06:17.14 | Niichan | sam@genesect:~/code/znc-1.0$ make |
| 06:17.16 | Niichan | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/include/c++/4.4/map', needed by `adminlog.o'. Stop. |
| 06:17.30 | Niichan | I try to build-dep znc, and I get this |
| 06:17.39 | themill | RJ45: you'll note that gnome was in debian (and other distros) prior to that 1.0.55 release. Anyway... not debian user support related... |
| 06:17.55 | Niichan | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'waldorf' of package 'znc' |
| 06:17.56 | Niichan | E: Unable to find a source package for |
| 06:18.24 | themill | Niichan: "waldorf" is not a debian release... that doesn't sound like a debian box at all |
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| 06:19.11 | Niichan | themill: It's crunchbang, crunchbang is based on debian, it's a problem with how I have my package manager set up, my debian package manager, so I am asking in a debian channel |
| 06:19.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Niichan about crunchbang |
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| 06:19.52 | themill | Niichan: if you want support from #debian, you install debian not some random derivative that may have done anything to their packages. |
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| 06:21.15 | Niichan | themill: As a general rule of thumb, is it autogen.sh, configure, make then make install? |
| 06:21.46 | themill | Niichan: take it to #crunchbang, thanks. |
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| 06:36.58 | vadimkolchev | hi all |
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| 06:56.10 | neirpyc | Would someone mind explaining if the text under the MacBook Pro 13 (7,1) means Debian can or can't be installed on my laptop? http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro#For_MacBook_Pro_13_.287.2C1.29 |
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| 06:59.42 | themill | neirpyc: sounds like the installer doesn't work but either the lenny installer or that iwamatsu installer should work. I don't know if, once installed and then upgraded to squeeze then wheezy, it works |
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| 07:00.24 | neirpyc | that sounds like a lot of work considering i don't know what any of it means =) |
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| 07:04.32 | darsie | hi |
| 07:04.42 | darsie | The '-' key doesn't work in "shell in a box", although the numeric pad '-' key works. |
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| 07:05.46 | darsie | You can test here with the username: https://www.bksys.at/shell/ |
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| 07:08.06 | tgs3 | how come debian fails to fix 2 year old bugs? |
| 07:08.27 | tgs3 | like the fact that typing .l command twice in sqlite = segfault. since 2011. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623869 |
| 07:09.08 | darsie | lack of time/motivation/priority? |
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| 07:11.47 | pii3 | Hi all |
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| 07:12.31 | pii3 | by following this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 + tcpdump can i capture network traffic with Ip + Date/Time and visited website URL ? |
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| 07:14.40 | jelly-home | tgs3: can you reproduce that crash in debian 7? |
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| 07:14.56 | jelly-home | tgs3: I can't reproduce it on i386 or amd64. |
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| 07:22.19 | tgs3 | jelly-home: on debian6 |
| 07:22.28 | tgs3 | didn't tried on 7 |
| 07:22.47 | tgs3 | jelly-home: IF it would be in deb7, how can I help to fix it? |
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| 07:23.28 | tgs3 | (or, for other bugs that would be). it IS reported and confirmed but no one pushes stable-upgrade by getting newer version nor by patching old on |
| 07:23.31 | tgs3 | (or, for other bugs that would be). it IS reported and confirmed but no one pushes stable-upgrade by getting newer version nor by patching old one |
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| 07:24.22 | jelly-home | tgs3: stable only gets fixes for critical issues like data loss and security |
| 07:24.39 | Joschii | hi |
| 07:24.44 | jelly-home | and sometimes new hardware support |
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| 07:25.05 | tgs3 | jelly-home: well this is what irritates me about debian |
| 07:25.18 | tgs3 | every sehfault IS security exploit untill proven otherwise |
| 07:25.23 | tgs3 | segfault |
| 07:25.34 | jelly-home | that's nonsense really |
| 07:26.11 | tgs3 | segfaul means program fucked up and accessed memory it shouldn't be accessing |
| 07:26.22 | tgs3 | this is exactly number cause for security exploits |
| 07:26.44 | jelly-home | tgs3: you're running sqlite as user foo, that already has access to its stuff. If it crashes... you're still user foo. |
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| 07:27.21 | tgs3 | if the way in which it segfaults can be influenced by attacker (and usually the segfault depends on some input data), then it's exploitable arbitrary execution |
| 07:27.59 | jelly-home | and it's an interactive tool; if you connect it to a public API (eg. a web page) and don't clean up the input, it's your public api that's faulty not the interactive tool |
| 07:27.59 | tgs3 | especially while debian is not defaulting to use grsecurity or anything like that to provide PaX / R^X |
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| 07:28.36 | jelly-home | tgs3: sure, but there's nothing stopping you from using grsec |
| 07:28.38 | tgs3 | jelly-home: what you just said is totall nonsence, care to read it again? |
| 07:28.47 | tgs3 | about already having access to user foo |
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| 07:29.33 | tgs3 | it is a huge deal if program X as user foo is running normally or overwritting own memory possibly allowing arbitrary execution! |
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| 07:31.33 | tgs3 | unless you put every program * every user * every use case in isolated environment (separate linux user) then yeah in such case it would be not so big problem |
| 07:31.41 | jelly-home | tgs3: sure, but what's your attack surface for sqlite3 interactive usage. |
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| 07:32.19 | tgs3 | jelly-home: if it always crashes in identical "safe" way then it is proben to be non-exploit |
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| 07:32.57 | tgs3 | jelly-home: but in other cases, if application crashes due to some input, e.g. from the internet, then we should assume next time it will overwrite memory successfully/silently and we lost |
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| 07:33.44 | jelly-home | tgs3: you're missing my point. Assume there's a viable exploit. In deciding how problematic this is, it matters how and where this tool gets used. |
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| 07:34.36 | tgs3 | jelly-home: there should be no exploitable programs on the system, not just in internet-facing programs. Because one small bug + another small bug = exploit. Though internet facing apps are even higher priroity to fix |
| 07:34.38 | jelly-home | tgs3: who cares about an exploit in vim if you're only using it in a terminal. |
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| 07:35.07 | tgs3 | now this is the idiotic thinking that hurts security. What is this, microsoft? |
| 07:35.18 | tgs3 | the attacker that will be publishing "new cool example vim config" cares |
| 07:35.43 | jelly-home | tgs3: no, it's risk assesment. |
| 07:35.44 | zrin | hi ... what is the default metacity theme? I'd just like to increase the window border widths and keep it as-is otherwise |
| 07:35.46 | tgs3 | actually, bug in vim would be secuirty nightmare and would lead to compromising many systems |
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| 07:36.24 | jelly-home | tgs3: I'm out of time for this nonsense, sorry. See you in #debian-offtopic in an hour if you want to continue. |
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| 07:37.05 | tgs3 | exploitable bug in vim = exploit as root for like every two out of ten sysadmins. Of course it would be horrible. |
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| 07:40.32 | iceroot | hi |
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| 07:41.18 | iceroot | is it possible to encrypt an already installed system with dmcrypt or do i need to reinstall for that? |
| 07:41.26 | iceroot | i want a full encrypted / |
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| 07:42.25 | chrisirc | What does the sticky bit ("T") on device files mean? |
| 07:43.15 | chrisirc | It confuses my program that uses "file" to see partition types: file says "sticky " in front of its output for that reason. Before adapting my program I'm worrying what that means. |
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| 07:44.55 | chrisirc | The sticky bit is set on all block devices under /dev, as well as most char devices. |
| 07:45.06 | chrisirc | Is my system buggy or is this normal? |
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| 07:47.42 | chrisirc | That *might* answer it http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg01273.html |
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| 08:09.39 | olivier_bK | hi |
| 08:10.33 | olivier_bK | how do you change the name of server when the server has started ? |
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| 08:10.58 | mquin | olivier_bK: change /etc/hostname, then run 'hostname newname' |
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| 08:12.19 | olivier_bK | thanks mquin |
| 08:12.21 | olivier_bK | :) |
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| 08:13.20 | pii3 | by following this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 + tcpdump can i capture network traffic with Ip + Date/Time and visited website URL ? |
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| 08:16.30 | rryoumaa | hi, what window manager or desktop environment will work best with very high dpi settings (228 or so)? i have only tried xfce so far, and a lot of things are too small or misaligned, like titlebars and gadgets. |
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| 08:16.55 | rryoumaa | (also the display manager is too small) |
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| 08:21.34 | JPeterson | is there a `do-release-upgrade`? should I use `sudo sed -i 's/squeeze/wheezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list`? |
| 08:25.54 | PerfDave | JPeterson: Read the installation instructions for wheezy, they will tell you how to upgrade from squeeze. |
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| 08:26.39 | jelly | !tell JPeterson about wheezy release notes |
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| 08:26.47 | jelly | !tell JPeterson about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 08:27.51 | pii3 | by following this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 + tcpdump can i capture network traffic with Ip + Date/Time and visited website URL ? |
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| 08:28.25 | JPeterson | answer the question directly |
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| 08:31.10 | jelly | pii3: yes, except for https (ssl) traffic. |
| 08:33.08 | jelly | JPeterson: there is no do-release-upgrade equivalent. |
| 08:33.11 | rryoumaa | if you install wheezy with encrypted lvm, it makes root 10gb. how do you make it larger? |
| 08:33.38 | JPeterson | should i upgrade with |
| 08:33.41 | JPeterson | sudo sed -i 's/squeeze/wheezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y upgrade; sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
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| 08:36.55 | ectospasm | apt-get -y is dangerous |
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| 08:49.16 | pii3 | jelly, i dont want payload of packets just header Ip + URL ! |
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| 08:50.16 | jelly | the URL is _in_ the payload, pii3 |
| 08:50.50 | pii3 | any solution ? |
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| 08:51.19 | jelly | postprocess the traffic |
| 08:51.36 | pii3 | can you please explain more ? |
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| 08:52.22 | jelly | find a different tool that can analyze http and grab just the request headers out of it |
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| 08:53.23 | jelly | I guess you could limit the amount of captured traffic by saving only the outbound packets |
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| 08:53.32 | wolfje | Heloo |
| 08:54.15 | jelly | pii3: sorry, there probably are http-specific sniffers out there but I know not their names |
| 08:54.39 | spidernik84 | hey there. Anyone knows how to limit apt-cacher-ng maximum cache size? Thanks |
| 08:54.42 | pii3 | work with https too! |
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| 08:55.03 | pii3 | or maybe i save them into .pcap and analyze it with other tools? |
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| 08:55.46 | jelly | pii3: you're not going to be able to get anything useful out of https unless you use a completely different approach |
| 08:55.59 | jelly | well. You'll get the time and remote IP |
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| 08:56.44 | jelly | and you probably don't have the know-how or money to make or buy a decent MITM ssl interception tool |
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| 08:58.54 | pii3 | thanks |
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| 09:01.22 | Nirvash | Does anyone know of a linux ISO that is *only* a terminal from a LiveCD? |
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| 09:02.04 | histo | Nirvash: there are plenty... grml |
| 09:02.09 | histo | Nirvash: if you like debian |
| 09:02.24 | rryoumaa | how do you turn a burned netinst into a .iso file so you can do checksums on it? |
| 09:02.26 | histo | Nirvash: it also has X if you want |
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| 09:02.48 | histo | rryoumaa: you don't turn it into an iso you checksum based on size |
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| 09:03.17 | Nirvash | histo: That looks like what I need; do you know if it has standard programs like ls, dd, and cat? |
| 09:04.34 | rryoumaa | histo: that sounded a little more involved, so i figured i woul djust copy the cd to disk |
| 09:04.38 | histo | Nirvash: yes has them all. The package list is on their site. There is also the debian live project |
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| 09:04.46 | histo | rryoumaa: What are you trying to do? |
| 09:04.57 | rryoumaa | histo: verify the iso |
| 09:05.06 | Nirvash | histo: Sweet! I'm downloading the 'both' ISO. Any idea how that works? 0_o |
| 09:05.07 | rryoumaa | i want the checksums of the burned cd |
| 09:05.25 | histo | rryoumaa: okay ls -l /path/to/cd.iso to get the size |
| 09:05.44 | rryoumaa | histo: no, it is on a cd |
| 09:05.51 | histo | rryoumaa: then dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=1 count=(that size) | md5sum |
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| 09:06.10 | histo | rryoumaa: I know but you need the count of the iso size so you can pass the same ammount of data to md5sum from the cd |
| 09:06.12 | Nirvash | Wow... 96bit is like the most intelligent thing ever |
| 09:06.12 | rryoumaa | and if i do > myfile.iso that will be the same as the original? |
| 09:06.21 | Nirvash | histo: You have my unending thanks |
| 09:06.30 | histo | Nirvash: unending? |
| 09:06.48 | Nirvash | while 1: return 'Thanks!' |
| 09:06.51 | histo | rryoumaa: yes if you use the proper count they should be the same |
| 09:07.35 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 09:08.11 | rryoumaa | how do i get last.fm to work on wheezy? is there a package i can download instead of downloading the plugin that iceweasel wants me to download? |
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| 09:09.39 | histo | rryoumaa: looks like flash to me |
| 09:09.43 | Kilhd | Hi, I just installed 7.0 I am guessing this default windows manager is Gnome3? It's really annoying and "windows 8 feeling" Is there a way to remove this juvenile, windows like catastrophe or would I have to install a different WM? |
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| 09:10.18 | histo | Kilhd: you can run whatever WM and DE you want |
| 09:10.51 | rryoumaa | histo: does that mean gnash then? |
| 09:11.07 | histo | rryoumaa: it may work with gnash |
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| 09:11.21 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 09:11.36 | rryoumaa | what window manager or desktop environment will work best with very high dpi settings (228 or so)? i have only tried xfce so far, and a lot of things are too small or misaligned, like titlebars and gadgets. |
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| 09:12.15 | Kilhd | I may have chosen my words poorly. I meant is there a way to remove this bubbly, child like look and feel? Or would I have to install another WM/DE? Gnome 2 maybe |
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| 09:13.30 | Kilhd | Am I the only one not impressed with this new look? |
| 09:13.33 | histo | Kilhd: gnome-look.org |
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| 09:14.03 | histo | Kilhd: I kind of like gnome3 and I also like unity. They both grew on me |
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| 09:15.57 | Kilhd | I guess I'm "old-school" Heh. I can't live with this though! |
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| 09:18.11 | vadimkolchev | I hope debian won't get unity by default, as well as some concepts ubuntu is trying to push now |
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| 09:22.18 | histo | Kilhd: you can always switch it's all free |
| 09:22.45 | jillsmitt | "To create a cd image with the file on it, stick that file in folder on its own, then do the following:" |
| 09:22.45 | histo | vadimkolchev: unity is very similiar to gnome3 |
| 09:22.55 | jillsmitt | what is "stick that file"? |
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| 09:23.08 | histo | jillsmitt: mv somefile /to/some/directory |
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| 09:23.27 | histo | jillsmitt: or cp somefile /to/some/directory |
| 09:23.43 | jillsmitt | on its own - that directory? |
| 09:24.26 | jillsmitt | it is from xen manual |
| 09:24.32 | schlitzer|work | hey all, i need to pack the contents of a tgz/folder into a debian package. how can i modify the owner/group & filemodes of the files when the get installed? |
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| 09:24.53 | schlitzer|work | i had a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#install, but did not find a hint :-/ |
| 09:25.09 | schlitzer|work | they^^ |
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| 09:27.37 | vadimkolchev | histo, not really, but I do not object too much for unity, but object to some concepts they want to introduce |
| 09:28.13 | histo | vadimkolchev: what concepts would those be? |
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| 09:29.31 | vadimkolchev | histo, new type of installation, for example, with each program in separate folder and devs packing all needed libs with their apps. Just like in M$. Don't want a lot of same libs on one system. |
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| 09:29.51 | vadimkolchev | histo, they think this will attract more devs |
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| 09:31.07 | vadimkolchev | histo, and also I was upset to know that there are actually 2 types of programs - some of programs were at software center but not in repos. Ridiculous. And if I don't want unity? I can't have software center and not have unity - it is a must have dep. So I'm out of some apps. Ridiculous as well. |
| 09:31.33 | vadimkolchev | histo, that's why I hope debian will not accept it |
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| 09:32.46 | histo | vadimkolchev: what are you talking aboout 2 types of programs? some in software center and not in repos? |
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| 09:33.50 | vadimkolchev | histo, sorry, english is not my native. I only tried to say that some of programs that can be installed from point-and-click software center couldn't be found with apt-cache search in repos |
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| 09:37.07 | vadimkolchev | histo, and this is the way I personally don't like because I'm used to cli, it is more convenient for me |
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| 09:38.09 | histo | vadimkolchev: I understand but I've never experienced that behavior... What apps did you find like that? Just the paid ones? |
| 09:38.28 | vadimkolchev | histo, it was free |
| 09:38.42 | vadimkolchev | histo, it was nitro, to-do app |
| 09:39.10 | vadimkolchev | histo, this for sure, and some others, but I won't remember now |
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| 09:43.16 | histo | vadimkolchev: let me check... this was on ubuntu correct? |
| 09:44.45 | histo | vadimkolchev: because it's proprietary code |
| 09:44.47 | vadimkolchev | histo, yes, of course, i haven't seen any other distro doing that. And I communicated with their people on irc and they confirmed that it is really so, however, they said, that the other apps except new ones (probably proprietary), will stay in repos as usual |
| 09:45.09 | histo | vadimkolchev: it's part of the software store not the repositories |
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| 09:46.00 | vadimkolchev | histo, probably this is the reason, i agree |
| 09:46.21 | vadimkolchev | histo, but still this concept I don't like |
| 09:46.25 | histo | So you don't want to pay for any software |
| 09:46.57 | histo | and you're upset that others may want to so you choose not to use a product based solely on this... |
| 09:47.08 | vadimkolchev | histo, no, not like this, I want to be able to load free-of-charge software from cli. |
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| 09:47.19 | histo | ahh |
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| 09:47.50 | vadimkolchev | histo, even if it is proprietary. Why can I install skype from repos and nitro I can't? |
| 09:48.10 | vadimkolchev | histo, this is what makes me upset |
| 09:48.11 | histo | vadimkolchev: skype is in the partner repos not the "software store" |
| 09:48.19 | histo | There is a huge distinction |
| 09:48.42 | vadimkolchev | histo, yes, I understand that |
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| 09:51.51 | Iridos | vadimkolchev, you can install skype from the repos? |
| 09:52.20 | vadimkolchev | Iridos, I was talking about ubuntu, not debian, in debian I used dpkg |
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| 09:58.35 | nevyn | smells gems and tarballs |
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| 10:02.50 | Nirvash | So I'm in GRML; how do I mount sda1 and view its contents? |
| 10:04.20 | osfd | Hi there. I'm looking for an email (webmail) provider that would be privacy respectfull, can you please help me ? |
| 10:04.40 | osfd | I don't feel like self hosting |
| 10:04.47 | dingo | @osfd I used to use hushmail.com |
| 10:05.02 | dingo | But you will only get real privacy if you connect via TOR / logless VPN |
| 10:05.49 | osfd | why would I trust them ? |
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| 10:07.40 | dingo | You wouldn't. |
| 10:07.46 | dingo | But their login system provides some security. |
| 10:07.56 | dingo | But the point is... you can't trust a webmail provider. They have your data. |
| 10:08.07 | osfd | my point here is related to the recent revelation about NSA backdoors |
| 10:08.11 | dingo | Get one outside the US, though, and you're a bit better off, connect via TOR and you're a bit more. |
| 10:08.17 | dingo | Get one in Europe. |
| 10:08.42 | dingo | They, BTW, aren't as much backdoors as they're splitters, copying all data back and forth - backdoor usually implies the ability to get a 'shell' on a box. |
| 10:09.02 | osfd | dingo: you got my point though |
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| 10:10.11 | osfd | is it the tor you takl about https://www.torproject.org/ |
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| 10:12.03 | ksk | yes, it is. |
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| 10:13.26 | osfd | what do you think about the gandi and hover service ? |
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| 10:28.25 | maroloccio | Hi. I have found a reproducible bug in gconf-editor which I'd like to report. Is there an apt/dpkg built-in way to report, starting from a binary name, the package it belongs to and all the versions of the packages it depends on? |
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| 10:29.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell maroloccio about reportbug |
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| 10:31.18 | babilen | maroloccio: Just report it against gconf-editor if it is a bug in that package ("reportbug gconf-editor") -- make sure that reportbug can send mails, I typically just use Debian's SMTP servers that are used if you configure reportbug (reportbug --configure) to *not* use your mail server. |
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| 10:33.42 | maroloccio | babilen: Thank you. Reportbug probably does everything I need. I appreciate it. |
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| 10:36.33 | babilen | maroloccio: It should :) |
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| 10:52.54 | osfd | should I go for gandi or hover ? |
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| 10:53.39 | osfd | Gandi (based in Europe) Hover (based in North America) |
| 10:53.44 | osfd | got my answer |
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| 10:55.58 | ksk | europe likes to give the US any data they like to have, just in case you did not know ;) |
| 10:56.16 | ksk | "swift" and stuff.. |
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| 10:57.24 | osfd | yes, we like having our pants down to our ankles... |
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| 10:57.38 | CorvetteZR1 | hi. i got wheezy running on a dell latitude d600 with ati rv250 (radeon 9000). i have xorg-radeon drivers and mesa-glx packages, but getting only ~120fps in glx gears. what do i need to do to get this number up to ~500 which is what it was scoring in deb6, any ideas? |
| 10:58.07 | osfd | ksk: but I try to find a new email address and this solution sounds raisonnable |
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| 11:02.35 | skinofstars | hi. i'm having trouble with an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. i've changed my sources to point at the latest packages, but i'm still getting them held back |
| 11:02.42 | skinofstars | i changed /etc/apt/preferences, but it doesn't seemed to have helped. any suggestions appreciated |
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| 11:03.29 | vadimkolchev | skinofstars, after changing sources you have to upgrade such tools as apt, dpkg first of all. Are you able to do it? |
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| 11:04.04 | ksk | !tell skinofstars about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 11:04.30 | skinofstars | thanks |
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| 11:06.50 | sergchsr3 | netinst 7.0 run on virtualbox? |
| 11:06.55 | skinofstars | i have been working through the upgrade in the release notes and performed the tasks in that bot message |
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| 11:07.33 | Roberth1990 | hello, I have a question about wheezy |
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| 11:07.47 | sergchsr3 | shoot |
| 11:07.51 | babilen | skinofstars: Does that resolve your problem? |
| 11:08.08 | Roberth1990 | why does it use kernel version 3.2.0 and not an version of the 3.2 kernel which is updated? |
| 11:08.29 | skinofstars | babilen: that bot message didn't, no |
| 11:08.47 | ksk | Roberth1990: proably because wheezy got its "freeze" when this kernel was "recent" |
| 11:08.59 | sergchsr3 | debian must be stable... very very stable... |
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| 11:09.20 | Roberth1990 | yes, but doesn't that undermine stability? |
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| 11:09.48 | sergchsr3 | that's the questions |
| 11:09.49 | Roberth1990 | and why doesnt it use the lts |
| 11:10.01 | Roberth1990 | branch |
| 11:10.03 | babilen | skinofstars: I mean the additional information in the release notes -- If not, could you please let me know at which step in the release notes you are and provide information + command output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:10.13 | sergchsr3 | cause is debian.. haha |
| 11:10.21 | Roberth1990 | lol:P |
| 11:10.47 | ksk | Roberth1990: why should it? take a look at the kernel latest red-hat-enterprise server uses.. |
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| 11:11.07 | sergchsr3 | yes, but is not debian |
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| 11:11.33 | babilen | Roberth1990: One fact to keep in mind is that Debian's kernel maintainer is the same person as the one that takes care of 3.2.0 upstream. In fact the whole reason why 3.2 is a LTS release is because Debian (or Ben Hutchins) picked that version for wheezy. |
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| 11:12.43 | babilen | Roberth1990: Ben also backports quite a number of features from later releases into Debian's 3.2 kernel (in particular hardware support) |
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| 11:13.05 | Roberth1990 | well I more care for bugfixes |
| 11:13.14 | Roberth1990 | babilen: do they appear in the backports repo? |
| 11:13.34 | babilen | Sure, fixes for security or grave bugs are backported too |
| 11:13.51 | skinofstars | babilen: i am at step 4.4.4/4.4.5 of the upgrade doc. http://paste.debian.net/9482/ |
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| 11:14.19 | Roberth1990 | okay, so instead of backporting lets 3.2.1, debian rather manages things like that internally, if I understood it right? |
| 11:14.45 | babilen | Roberth1990: backports typically has the version of the package in testing (not necessarily as timely though) -- But please also remind yourself that "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" and nothing else. |
| 11:15.06 | Roberth1990 | okay |
| 11:15.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Roberth1990 -about kernel abi |
| 11:15.23 | babilen | Roberth1990: Don't let the ABI naming scheme confuse you |
| 11:15.30 | babilen | (of the packages that is) |
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| 11:15.51 | babilen | skinofstars: One second please |
| 11:16.13 | Roberth1990 | well the ABI stuff doesn't matter for me, my server only runs with open drivers |
| 11:16.24 | Roberth1990 | and just runs samba |
| 11:16.46 | Roberth1990 | how long is wheezy supported? |
| 11:17.32 | babilen | Roberth1990: We don't know yet, but at least for one year after the release of jessie. As we have no idea when we will release jessie i cannot answer that question yet... |
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| 11:17.57 | Roberth1990 | isnt stable released every two years? I think I read that somewhere... |
| 11:18.13 | babilen | skinofstars: Ah, that is a known issue. Let me find the bug description ... |
| 11:18.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Roberth1990 -about release history |
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| 11:19.43 | jdoles | Why do I have X11 drivers installed for hardware that I don't have? |
| 11:19.45 | babilen | Roberth1990: We release "when its ready", but nowadays freeze after a given timeframe. There are also discussions on how to structure the development process in the future as we tend to freeze a bit too long, so i can't really predict the future. We definitely don't release just because k months passed (regardless of bugs, ...) |
| 11:19.51 | Roberth1990 | neat little bot you got there for shutting up annoying question machines like me:P |
| 11:19.55 | bubak | does anynone running btrfs on wheezy (not for root fs, just for data)? i would lkike to give it a shot, instead of RAID 1. has anyone who tried had stability problems, data loss etc.? |
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| 11:20.37 | Roberth1990 | bubak: the btrfs devs recommends that you use latest kernel for btrfs |
| 11:20.38 | jdoles | There is some meta package for libdrm- which installs basically everything. How do I keep just what I need? |
| 11:21.04 | babilen | skinofstars: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707301 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645726 |
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| 11:21.46 | skinofstars | babilen: thanks |
| 11:22.22 | CorvetteZR1 | i have an rv250 chipset and getting this error in xorg log: AIGLX error: r200 does not export required DRI extension |
| 11:22.46 | CorvetteZR1 | apparently the new mesa dri libs don't support my chipset anymore...anything i can do for workaround to get 3D acceleration? |
| 11:23.06 | CorvetteZR1 | yes this laptop is 10 years old, no i can't get a new one right now :) |
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| 11:23.41 | bubak | roberth1990: i just read through kernel wiki, they say so :-), but there is a also a table with brtfs through different distros and debian wheezy has older kerbel, but sufficient btrfs tools |
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| 11:24.33 | bubak | so i am ready to compile new kernel, but i would gladly avoid it if what comes with debian wheezy is usable |
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| 11:24.45 | Roberth1990 | bubak: yes, but the kernel part is the most crucial one |
| 11:25.07 | Roberth1990 | bubak: I would compile a new kernel |
| 11:25.13 | bubak | robert1990: ok, thanks, i would do it |
| 11:25.23 | bubak | mean will do it :-) |
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| 11:25.35 | Roberth1990 | bubak: keep in mind that btrfs loves to eat ram |
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| 11:26.26 | babilen | Roberth1990: You should be able to install the latest kernel from unstable without problems (*kernel* only) |
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| 11:26.50 | Roberth1990 | babilen: tell that to bubak |
| 11:26.52 | babilen | (on wheezy that is) |
| 11:26.57 | babilen | Ah, alright .. bubak ^^^^ |
| 11:26.59 | Roberth1990 | I use ext4:P |
| 11:27.08 | babilen | Roberth1990: wise choice ;) |
| 11:27.32 | bubak | babilen & robert1990: great support guys |
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| 11:27.57 | Roberth1990 | I have an old 32 bit intel cpu and 4 gb ram on my server, in my experience, 8 gb and 64 bit is minimum |
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| 11:29.17 | ykkie\splat | Roberth1990: the minimum for what? |
| 11:29.33 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: btrfs |
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| 11:29.53 | ykkie\splat | oh that's a software RAID thing isn't it? |
| 11:29.58 | Roberth1990 | no |
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| 11:30.02 | Roberth1990 | its a filesystem |
| 11:30.09 | ykkie\splat | oh |
| 11:30.11 | ykkie\splat | k |
| 11:30.11 | Roberth1990 | regarded as the successor for ext4 |
| 11:30.21 | Roberth1990 | but far from ready to replace it |
| 11:30.56 | Roberth1990 | replace != use |
| 11:30.58 | ykkie\splat | 8 GB RAM and 64 bit seems like quite a high requirement for a file system |
| 11:31.17 | ykkie\splat | I'm rocking 2 GB RAM on 64 bit |
| 11:31.20 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: yeah its very advanced |
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| 11:31.44 | ykkie\splat | Roberth1990: not sure we have the same definition of 'advanced' in mind |
| 11:31.55 | babilen | bubak: In order to be able to install that package from unstable add something like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" to your sources.list and set your default release to "wheezy" with 'APT::Default-Release "wheezy"' in /etc/apt/apt.conf -- you can then run "apt-get update" and install the kernel package with "apt-get -t unstable install linux-image-amd64" (or another architecture) |
| 11:32.04 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: the way it works is advanced |
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| 11:32.28 | ykkie\splat | Roberth1990: if you say so |
| 11:32.32 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: for example it has a lot of features to ensure file integrity |
| 11:32.40 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: familiar with ZFS? |
| 11:32.42 | ykkie\splat | sounds like it's also very memory intensive ;) |
| 11:32.43 | babilen | bubak: Don't forget to install firmware packages too -- And *DO NOT* install anything else from unstable. The kernel is typically fine, but any mixing in any other package is bound to cause massive problems. |
| 11:32.46 | ykkie\splat | nah |
| 11:33.07 | bubak | babilen: thanks, i can handle that -- from time to time i experiment with packages from unstable if i really need them, well, not kernel :-), but this is my home server, so i will update the kernel package |
| 11:33.17 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: about btrfs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs |
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| 11:35.02 | babilen | bubak: If you require other packages that are not in wheezy-backports already it would be more appropriate to backport them yourself by following <ssb> -- /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:37.07 | ykkie\splat | Roberth1990: :o it is quite advanced isn't it. |
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| 11:39.55 | Roberth1990 | ykkie\splat: yes, ext4 is very simple compared |
| 11:40.00 | histo | Roberth1990: where do you get that btrfs requires those specs? |
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| 11:40.48 | ykkie\splat | yup, I still feel that's probably wrong - a file system however advanced shouldn't need all that |
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| 11:40.56 | ykkie\splat | all that RAM! |
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| 11:41.51 | Roberth1990 | histo: my own experience, I have 8 gb ram, and when watching hd video file from btrfs volume, the video is often slow |
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| 11:42.20 | Roberth1990 | histo: works fine on the same system with ext4 |
| 11:42.41 | histo | Roberth1990: I highly doubt it's the filesystem.. There is another factor you are missing |
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| 11:43.37 | Roberth1990 | histo: well it is, had the same problem with zfs which is very much the same as btrfs, and also likes ram |
| 11:43.38 | ykkie\splat | histo: btrfs isn't very mature yet |
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| 11:44.17 | ykkie\splat | hold up |
| 11:44.18 | histo | Roberth1990: ykkie\splat I understand it's not mature but performance test online contradict what you are saying. |
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| 11:44.52 | ykkie\splat | Roberth1990: you can't quote 8 gb as a minimum if that's your system and you get slow video with btrfs |
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| 11:45.04 | ykkie\splat | you have to compare 2 systems with different ram sizes |
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| 11:45.08 | ykkie\splat | at leaset |
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| 11:47.29 | lionel_ | hi |
| 11:47.38 | lionel_ | I am under debian wheezy and i installed lxc & apparmor. I imported lxc config unbuntu under debian. Lxc profile for lxc-start work. i can see profile lxc-container-default in apparmor_status. My config container containt "lxc.aa_profile = lxc-container-default". When i start my containter with debug level: i see in log: "lxc_apparmor - aa_enabled set to 0" |
| 11:47.46 | lionel_ | Is someone will have an explanation for my problem please? |
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| 11:58.03 | pb__ | hi |
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| 12:00.18 | Stygia | Hello. |
| 12:00.32 | vadimkolchev | hi |
| 12:01.02 | Stygia | I wonder, I have had a sporatic problem on my debian box lately. |
| 12:01.11 | Stygia | I am on testing. |
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| 12:01.14 | Stygia | With XFCE4. |
| 12:01.44 | Stygia | Whenever I start network-manager and plug in my USB modem, I have about an 80% chance of the connection attempt stalling, and dmesg saying something about a hardware error. |
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| 12:02.03 | Stygia | However, if I switch between USB ports enough and restart network-manager enough, it eventually manages to connect. |
| 12:02.08 | Stygia | Which makes me suspect it isn't a hardware issue. |
| 12:02.10 | Stygia | Any advice? |
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| 12:04.02 | pb__ | I use debian wheezy, a crucial m4 ssd, lvm + luks |
| 12:04.11 | pb__ | I just try to get trim working with my ssd |
| 12:04.19 | pb__ | here is my config https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7abcf32a81abc3727be6 |
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| 12:04.47 | pb__ | do you have an idea what could cause the error: FITRIM ioctl failed: Operation not supported |
| 12:05.16 | pb__ | trim support is detected and I modified the config as well, but it still doesn't work :/ |
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| 12:05.53 | pb__ | crypttab looks like that |
| 12:05.55 | pb__ | sda3_crypt UUID=3ea879c7-a4af-44c4-96d5-9d1a5fa2710e none luks allow-discards |
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| 12:06.54 | jargon | pb__: have you tried pasting that error into google? i'm seeing various results with that exact same error related to SSDs |
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| 12:07.06 | jargon | pb__: never heard of it myself, however |
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| 12:07.16 | jargon | i don't use SSDs |
| 12:07.18 | pb__ | h |
| 12:07.22 | pb__ | yes |
| 12:07.22 | jargon | maybe that's why |
| 12:07.28 | pb__ | adjusted the config as well |
| 12:07.36 | sec | somebody knows if debian squeeze has support for security patches? |
| 12:07.37 | pb__ | but it still doesn't work, but it should somehow |
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| 12:08.09 | jargon | pb__: sorry, i can't be of any help on this. maybe if you wait a bit, someone else might know how to fix this |
| 12:09.15 | jdoles | What's a good way to organize VMs? |
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| 12:10.14 | Stygia | pb__: Are you trying to run FITRIM? |
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| 12:11.55 | pb__ | Stygia: i run fstrim -v / |
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| 12:14.33 | pb__ | give it another reboot, it may works now |
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| 12:15.48 | phaidros | trying to extract data from an ancient machine, I got a debian live distro running and see the scsi devices. now fdisk tells me there is "Novell Netware 386" on da hd .. any idea how to access that data? |
| 12:15.58 | phaidros | mounting seems not trivial o.O |
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| 12:17.57 | pb__ | okay, got trim working now |
| 12:18.09 | pb__ | sda3_crypt UUID=3ea879c7-a4af-44c4-96d5-9d1a5fa2710e none allow-discards luks,discard |
| 12:18.28 | pb__ | i just added allow-discards before but it needs the discard at the end as well |
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| 12:21.24 | qiy | hi all. anyone provide me a proxy to access os-forum.com temperarilly? |
| 12:21.38 | miha | not sure where to ask (tried #apache, #php)... old server has debian squeez, new server has wheezy. on old server, script called from php has access to /usr/bin/, /usr/lib, script in new server doesnt, both have same ispconfig settings and suphp. |
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| 12:21.59 | miha | i really need to do some processing, i can set PATH inside script, not sure how to set library path |
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| 12:22.43 | sec | somebody knows if debian squeeze has support for security patches and how long? |
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| 12:23.45 | Stygia | sec: I believe only stable has security patches, specifically. |
| 12:23.48 | babilen | sec: It does (up until May 2014) |
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| 12:24.32 | babilen | sec: Note that we cannot provide the same level of security support as for stable though |
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| 12:25.40 | sec | babilen: perfect |
| 12:25.41 | sec | thx |
| 12:25.43 | sec | and... |
| 12:25.47 | babilen | hmm? |
| 12:26.02 | sec | I need modify my sources.list changing stable by oldstable? |
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| 12:26.41 | sec | or with this: |
| 12:26.41 | sec | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:26.42 | sec | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:26.44 | sec | ? |
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| 12:27.46 | babilen | sec: That is perfectly fine (don't use "stable" in your sources.list) |
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| 12:28.57 | Stygia | babilen: Why not? I always use 'testing' instead of a release name, so I don't have to worry about new releases. |
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| 12:30.01 | babilen | Stygia: I did not say anything about testing -- Using that is appropriate if you actually want that setup, but "stable" is almost always the wrong choice as you will (at best) perform an unsupported updated after the release. |
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| 12:30.44 | Stygia | babilen: dist-upgrade between oldstable and stable isn't supported? |
| 12:30.50 | Stygia | What, reinstalls are recommended? |
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| 12:31.43 | vadimkolchev | Stygia, it is supported, he only asked you not to mention stable in sources.list, put the name of release instead |
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| 12:32.50 | babilen | Stygia: I am saying that you shouldn't use "stable" but the actual codename and perform the upgrade in a supported fashion (as detailed in the release notes) at a time of your choosing, not involuntarily just because a new version was released. |
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| 12:47.00 | sec | thx babilen :D |
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| 12:47.06 | babilen | yw |
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| 12:51.24 | Stygia | babilen: Which makes sense from a server perspective. Alright, fair enough, I usually do it because I have debian on my workstation. Thanks. |
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| 12:53.42 | spidernik84 | any decent kvm webgui to suggest? Managing it via virt-manager over X forwarding is kinda... slow |
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| 12:54.07 | alberto | How to conect http://localhost:9000/ in chrome? |
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| 12:54.43 | darsie | is it ok to use reportbug as root? |
| 12:54.48 | abrotman | we're done with that flood fest |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | darsie: you can, i'tll ask you for email etc, you can put in anything you like |
| 12:55.12 | darsie | k |
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| 12:56.20 | darsie | Running 'reportbug' as root is probably insecure! Continue [y|N|q|?]? |
| 12:56.56 | abrotman | it probably is .. doesn't mean you can't |
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| 12:57.21 | darsie | So I better don't. |
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| 12:57.37 | Mattix | Hello |
| 12:57.43 | abrotman | unless you have a specific reason, right |
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| 12:58.01 | alberto | How to conect in http://localhost:9000/ in chrome? |
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| 12:58.38 | Mattix | is there any easier way to ssh into a server that is only reacheable from another server? right now I have to ssh to server1, from there ssh to server2 and finally ssh to server3 |
| 12:59.25 | abrotman | alberto: like that |
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| 13:00.33 | alberto | I try this https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/158556 |
| 13:01.21 | ChrisH | alberto: the same way as all other browsers? |
| 13:02.03 | alberto | yes |
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| 13:02.51 | ChrisH | alberto: the same way as all other browsers! (this is what I wanted to say. there was no difference for me till now visible between chromium and iceweasel) |
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| 13:05.00 | alberto | Something is blocking. |
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| 13:07.18 | vadimkolchev | if i enabled backports and updated, is it easy to revert everything back to stable without backports and downgrade upgraded packages? |
| 13:07.36 | colo-work | what's a decent filter tool in Debian for summarizing system logs these days? (like logwatch, which seems unmaintained) |
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| 13:09.50 | ChrisH | alberto: telnet localhost 9000 and check |
| 13:10.05 | ChrisH | alberto: could be your proxy setting, missing exclude for localhost |
| 13:10.27 | alberto | $ telnet localhost 9000 |
| 13:10.27 | alberto | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 13:10.27 | alberto | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 13:10.34 | alberto | this? |
| 13:10.54 | ChrisH | alberto: So its not your browser, but there is no listener behind port 9000 |
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| 13:11.34 | alberto | How to release? |
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| 13:14.10 | alberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.10 | alberto | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 13:14.10 | alberto | Connected to localhost |
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| 13:15.05 | alberto | ChrisH |
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| 13:17.21 | jhutchins_wk | alberto: Have you configured something you believe should be listening to port 9000? |
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| 13:17.50 | alberto | some this https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/158556 |
| 13:18.10 | alberto | read in: How to use it: |
| 13:18.33 | jhutchins_wk | alberto: Do you have a firewall on this machine? |
| 13:19.45 | harrison | Tearing eyeholes in a placenta doesn't make it into a marsupial mask. |
| 13:20.14 | alberto | i use iptables |
| 13:20.38 | jelly | !ops harrison nonsense bot from linode |
| 13:20.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: harrison nonsense bot from linode |
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| 13:28.18 | miha | that thing i was asking about PATH/libs not available in script from php, suphp config was wrong for PATH http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647604#10 and i forgot i need two 32bit libs on 64bit server for that script :) |
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| 13:41.12 | marius3 | Could someone have a look at my login problem for gdm3? I've posted some promising log-diffs (last 2 posts). If something isnt clear just ask. I've tried a lot of things, but I cant get further |
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| 13:41.15 | marius3 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=104733 |
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| 13:48.52 | Stygia | marisu3: having a look. |
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| 13:50.07 | Stygia | Silly question maybe, do you need your xorg.conf if there is one? Try moving it to a .bak and letting the defaults kick in. |
| 13:50.47 | codepython777 | anyone using vagrant with wheezy here? |
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| 13:52.34 | lasers | Stygia: Xorg.conf is optional afaik, but sometimes it's nice to have one (due to multimonitors or certain wanted settings). |
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| 13:53.42 | marius3 | Stygia: I'll try... means that I need to log out here |
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| 13:54.20 | lasers | Stygia: (Oh you were talking to someone). |
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| 13:54.58 | marius4 | Stygia: different computer -> trying |
| 13:55.09 | Stygia | lasers: Oh yup, I was trying to advice marius4, I usually just delete my xorg.conf when in doubt |
| 13:55.23 | Stygia | marius4: Gotcha. |
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| 13:57.20 | Stygia | While I'm here. |
| 13:57.46 | Stygia | Does anyone have any clue why my network-manager will usually fail when trying to connect to my USB modem, but eventually succeed after several restarts of network-manager, and moving it between USB ports? |
| 13:57.53 | Stygia | There is no consistent pattern - some ports work sometimes. |
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| 13:59.40 | codepython777 | is wheezy rc1? or is it a stable release? |
| 13:59.59 | themill | codepython777: /topic |
| 14:02.10 | marius4 | Stygia: seems like there's no xorg.conf on my computer :) |
| 14:02.26 | Dwarf | Afternoon, can somebody assist me with getting my microphone to work? |
| 14:02.27 | Dwarf | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22999631/alsa-info.txt |
| 14:02.28 | Dwarf | I'm running Debian Wheezy x64 |
| 14:02.41 | Stygia | marius4: Duly noted. |
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| 14:05.09 | Stygia | marius4: I suspect it _may_ have something to do with PAM. I can't say for sure, but I believe I remember having a problem with PAM not configured to allow GDM once upon a time. |
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| 14:05.37 | Stygia | marius4: Can you make it work with xdm, or lightdm? |
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| 14:05.54 | Stygia | marius4: Not saying switch to them, but if you could, it would maybe shine light on where the problem is. |
| 14:05.54 | marius4 | Stygia: doesnt work with kdm too |
| 14:06.02 | Stygia | (lightdm is fine, though) |
| 14:06.08 | Stygia | Yes, but try xdm specifically, it is very light-weight. |
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| 14:06.14 | marius4 | ok |
| 14:06.32 | Stygia | Since you can startx I suspect some kind of permission issue. |
| 14:06.55 | maciek | hi, is there any options to run dpkg-reconfigure in noninteractive mode but with defined "answer"? I am trying to change /bin/sh link from /bin/dash to /bin/bash using dpkg-configure way (just selecting "no" in first question) |
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| 14:07.38 | Stygia | Did you read the manpage? |
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| 14:07.57 | mquin | shouldn't you use update-alternatives to do that? |
| 14:07.59 | Stygia | I believe if you set -p to something lower than the question it would just go ahead. |
| 14:08.07 | Stygia | mquin may be right. |
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| 14:09.17 | marius4 | Stygia: works with lightdm... is there a autologin feature for it? |
| 14:10.06 | Stygia | Now I am almost sure you have a permission issue. |
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| 14:10.24 | themill | maciek: you should be able to preseed the answer with debconf-set-selections and then dpkg-reconfigure the package, but that works better for new installs than for existing installs. (sh is not managed by update-alternatives) |
| 14:10.25 | Stygia | And I don't know, try looking at /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 14:11.06 | themill | maciek: the canonical answer is, however, to fix your shell scripts so that scripts that use bash features have #!/bin/bash rather than #!/bin/sh. |
| 14:11.18 | marius4 | Stygia: might it break something if I do startx or starting the *dm from the root account? |
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| 14:12.24 | Stygia | You should never, ever run something you use all the time as root. |
| 14:12.46 | Stygia | That means any small-ish vulnerability would get you completely owned, plus, I believe anything you ran from a root X would start as root. |
| 14:13.30 | Dwarf | Do any of my messages get through, at all? |
| 14:13.36 | Dwarf | My internet is being an ass |
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| 14:14.04 | Stygia | Dwarf: Yes. |
| 14:14.09 | Stygia | Dwarf: At least just now. |
| 14:14.23 | Dwarf | Hmm I have a problem with my microphone |
| 14:14.37 | Dwarf | Sound is working perfectly but the mic doesn't feel like doing anything |
| 14:15.46 | Dwarf | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22999631/alsa-info.txt |
| 14:15.48 | Dwarf | ^ some info |
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| 14:17.17 | Stygia | Dwarf: Using pulseaudio? |
| 14:17.24 | Dwarf | Alsa |
| 14:17.33 | Stygia | Ah, then I've no idea, sorry. |
| 14:17.43 | Stygia | I've fixed a similar issue with pavucontrol though. |
| 14:17.45 | Dwarf | I've had some problems with pulse in the past (at least on arch) |
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| 14:18.03 | Stygia | Dwarf: Everybody's had issues with pulse, it's shit. |
| 14:18.14 | Dwarf | Frankly my microphone worked then tho |
| 14:18.30 | Stygia | In alsamixer, is your mic unmuted and turned up? |
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| 14:18.47 | Dwarf | It's 100% |
| 14:19.04 | Dwarf | Mic boost is 0%, if I turn it up I can hear static |
| 14:19.38 | diamonds | hep me http://hastebin.com/monokiratu |
| 14:19.48 | diamonds | why aren't I in the `sudo` group |
| 14:20.01 | diamonds | jelly» I'm on windows here, debian in VM |
| 14:20.29 | themill | diamonds: you need to log out and log back in before group membership changes take effect |
| 14:20.30 | jelly | diamonds: you need to log off and back on |
| 14:20.38 | marius4 | Stygia: thx for help! |
| 14:20.39 | jelly | slow |
| 14:20.54 | Stygia | marius4: No problem. But don't you go running startx as root, really. Please don't. |
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| 14:20.56 | diamonds | jelly» not just quit shell? OK |
| 14:21.20 | marius4 | Stygia: I won't :) |
| 14:21.25 | marius4 | goodbye |
| 14:21.35 | diamonds | how much memory should I give my VM to feel kinda snappy? |
| 14:21.41 | diamonds | using xfce as wm |
| 14:21.46 | maciek | themill: thanks! I found something like this: echo "dash dash/sh boolean false" | debconf-set-selections ; dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive dash ;) |
| 14:21.55 | Dwarf | diamonds: how much do you have |
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| 14:22.39 | diamonds | Dwarf» 8gb |
| 14:22.44 | Dwarf | 2GB should do |
| 14:22.56 | Dwarf | xfce is pretty light |
| 14:22.57 | diamonds | if I'm running firefox... 7 gb. if I'm running eclipse, 1gb :) |
| 14:23.00 | themill | maciek: yeah, as I said, I'm not sure how dpkg-reconfigure will handle that situation. |
| 14:23.01 | diamonds | Dwarf» ok thanks |
| 14:23.15 | themill | maciek: and fixing your scripts is definitely the better way of solving the problem |
| 14:23.27 | diamonds | I actually stopped using my last VM cuz I had to use Eclipse and they can't run simultaneously on 8gb ram :( |
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| 14:23.47 | Dwarf | hah |
| 14:23.50 | Dwarf | Java's a bitch |
| 14:24.44 | maciek | themill: http://pastebin.com/YVZpXRdg - looks good, yeah, I know ;) |
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| 14:25.05 | Dwarf | So anyway, nobody knows why my mic isn't working? |
| 14:25.33 | Stygia | Dwarf: Sorry. |
| 14:25.47 | Dwarf | That's alright |
| 14:26.03 | Stygia | Question. Does anyone here know if debian backports patches to flashplugin-nonfree? Firefox plugin checker says I am vulnerable. |
| 14:27.18 | colo-work | what's a decent filter tool in Debian for summarizing system logs these days? (like logwatch, which seems unmaintained) |
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| 14:27.53 | jeremy_c | We have a brand new Debian 7 server with Superb. We required port 8089 be opened, so they added it to their managed hardware firewall. Temporarily we made sshd listen on port 8089 and can access from itself on the external ip, but when we try external to the box ssh never connects. Superb swears they opened the port correctly and that it is out system. Any ideas? |
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| 14:28.46 | themill | Stygia: flashplugin-nonfree is only an installer. You need to run the updater yourself to keep the plugin updated. |
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| 14:29.10 | Stygia | themill: Where is the updater? |
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| 14:29.19 | themill | same package -- /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:30.19 | Stygia | themill: Indeed. Thank you. It does say I have the upstream version, I figure firefox's page must just compare the windows version number to mine and conclude I am insecure. |
| 14:30.51 | Stygia | themill: Although it does seem like a major issue this isn't done via apt... most people, presumably, won't know this, and will thus never update their flash, which is a major source of vulnerability. Just look at their listing of vulns at secunia.com... |
| 14:31.08 | ChrisH | jeremy_c: connect to the nox and snoop/tcpdump whats coming in while trying to connect. |
| 14:31.58 | jaalto | Does anyone know a command which can do filterdiff(1) equivalent, but ignore hunks if the change matches a regexp? |
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| 14:32.32 | themill | Stygia: it can only be done via apt if adobe permits it... which they don't |
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| 14:33.14 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: I'll try, but will I see anything since we are using ssh to test with, i.e. encrypted content? |
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| 14:34.13 | Stygia | themill: Legally, how would they prevent anyone from triggering an update of a file public on their servers? Advisories are public, if I see their advisory and then trigger an updater.... such as simply forcing apt to call the update script each time, which terms have I violated? |
| 14:34.13 | ChrisH | jeremy_c: tcpdump not my ip (see man tcpdump for detailed syntax) |
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| 14:34.37 | Stygia | themill: Because I absolutely intend to do this with my own security scanner, and I don't believe they can legally stop me (See Secunia's PSI which does this). |
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| 14:36.56 | gabx | Hi guys. I have trouble with setting sound on my box. It seems to me everything is correctly setup (alsa, pulseaudio) but no sound. I am coming from another distro and shall deliver the machine to our client quickly. I am CLI only and can't past any file (irc is on my n7).Any help to check everything would be great. Ty |
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| 14:37.53 | ws2k3 | when i have a eth0 and a eth0:0 when i disable etho is eth0:0 still able to work then ? |
| 14:37.54 | phy1729 | I'm using i3 as a wm and login to a CLI and use startx to start it. Why are my xterm under init and not x-window-manager or something |
| 14:37.57 | jhutchins_wk | !tell gabx about alsa checklist |
| 14:38.16 | gabx | Saw it |
| 14:38.31 | ws2k3 | when i have a eth0 and a eth0:0 when i disable etho0 is eth0:0 still able to work then ? |
| 14:38.59 | themill | Stygia: how is the client doing this? If you want to do this from cron, then you already can. |
| 14:39.05 | gabx | Aplay /usr/... /Noise. Wav gives nothing |
| 14:39.24 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: All I see are SYN flags. |
| 14:39.37 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: I have not used tcpdump before though :-/ |
| 14:39.43 | gabx | Pulseaudio is running and I have access |
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| 14:40.02 | gabx | Channel unmuted |
| 14:40.07 | jhutchins_wk | gabx: Pulse audio breaks things more often than it helps. |
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| 14:40.22 | gabx | I know. I hate it |
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| 14:40.48 | ws2k3 | when i have a eth0 and a eth0:0 when i disable etho0 is eth0:0 still able to work then ? |
| 14:41.02 | gabx | But I need Mpd/pulseaudio for a music server |
| 14:42.26 | gabx | Vv |
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| 14:44.13 | Stygia | themill: I believe the client is just downloading the file from adobe (Well, secunia repackage binaries now, but still). |
| 14:44.31 | Stygia | themill: So, I believe debian should just call the downloading script each time they push an update to flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:44.43 | Stygia | ... I'd be happy to maintain that, really, having an unpatched flash is a major security problem. |
| 14:45.11 | ChrisH | jeremy_c: SYN incoming looks OK. Next step run: ip route get EXTERNAL-IP to confirm the routing on you box is OK |
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| 14:45.29 | jelly | Stygia: sure, you could set up a cron job or something |
| 14:45.33 | themill | Stygia: sure. But saying that does not make it happen. |
| 14:46.01 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: hm, that was on the external box, should I have run tcpdump on the internal? |
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| 14:47.19 | Stygia | jelly: Yes, that would be fine. But that does not fix the issue for other users. |
| 14:47.26 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: when running it on the server box in question, nothing comes across w/tcpdump |
| 14:47.33 | Stygia | themill: No... I'll go look who maintains flashplugin-nonfree, have a chat with him. |
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| 14:48.01 | jelly | Stygia: I meant in the context of fixing the installer package |
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| 14:48.41 | jelly | this is one case where an automatic update might be prefered to a manual one |
| 14:48.43 | themill | Stygia: My point is that a file appearing on adobe.com does not magically make update-flashplugin-nonfree run on every debian box out there which seems to be what you want to happen. |
| 14:48.50 | ChrisH | jeremy_c: it only makes sense on the system behind the Firewall. If you do not see anything there, provide that to your hoster and have them check again. |
| 14:48.55 | jelly | themill: that can be remedied! |
| 14:49.07 | themill | Stygia: If you want to run it from cron, then you are already at liberty to do so |
| 14:49.15 | OptimusCrimeONE | Hi you all! |
| 14:49.18 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: thanks, I just wanted to go back with solid information. |
| 14:49.50 | OptimusCrimeONE | What "tuned" debian package would you suggest for noob |
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| 14:50.35 | OptimusCrimeONE | I would use debian for softtware developement and as a media center |
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| 14:51.28 | OptimusCrimeONE | 3d programming, machine vision, and gui developement |
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| 14:51.50 | ksk | wtf is a "tuned" debian package?^^ |
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| 14:52.41 | Stygia | themill: However, the script could either look to see if a more recent version was available, or, the debian maintainer could update the package whenever a security fix came out. I am, indeed, at liberty to do so, I can personally deal with that. |
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| 14:53.04 | Stygia | themill: However, I fear many debian users do not know about this, but simply install flashplugin once and forget about it. |
| 14:53.14 | Stygia | themill: Which would translate to lot of vulnerable debian users. |
| 14:53.32 | Stygia | jelly: Ah, your suggestion is adding the cronjob to the installer package? That does make sense. |
| 14:53.49 | OptimusCrimeONE | not sure exactly a friend of mine mentioned "tuned" |
| 14:54.06 | themill | Stygia: flashplugin-nonfree is explicitly designed to not require an update every time that adobe feels the need to update flash. A cron job that may unexpectedly eat a pile of bandwidth is unlikely to be welcome either. |
| 14:54.53 | ksk | OptimusCrimeONE: you are wondering which DesktopEnvironment you want to install? just try some of them popular like xfce, kde and gnome |
| 14:55.36 | OptimusCrimeONE | hmmm, mint is running xfce? |
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| 14:56.16 | jelly | themill: that pile of bandwidth is comparable to an apt-get update, and it could be disabled |
| 14:57.12 | OptimusCrimeONE | someone suggested "whezyy" for me. any owrds about that? |
| 14:57.12 | themill | jelly: apt-get update doesn't happen from cron |
| 14:57.15 | jelly | thinks it's a good idea |
| 14:57.20 | jelly | themill: it can. |
| 14:57.26 | themill | i.e. it doesn't happen when when you're on mobile internet... |
| 14:57.41 | jelly | themill: it does for me! |
| 14:57.50 | themill | /msg dpkg pal me |
| 14:58.20 | OptimusCrimeONE | ksk: i think its gonna be gnome or xfce |
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| 14:58.41 | jelly | we're talking about flash users; they tend to eat bw by a few orders of magnitude more |
| 14:58.42 | Stygia | themill: You do have a point. However, I see it as a problem that we cannot deploy security patches for flashplugin via apt. So maybe simple trigger the script each time a patch is available, just like you would maintain any other package for security fixes. |
| 14:58.59 | Guest65922 | hello |
| 14:59.00 | Guest65922 | re |
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| 14:59.14 | themill | Stygia: you've still not explained how adobe.com is going to trigger the update on everyone's machine |
| 14:59.26 | themill | Yes, a nicer way of keeping flash updated would be good. A free flash would be nice too. And one without bugs. I also like ponies. |
| 14:59.42 | Guest65922 | i wanna know, what does linux-arm ? |
| 14:59.47 | jelly | take what you can get, eh |
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| 14:59.50 | Guest65922 | linux for arm architecture |
| 15:00.03 | Stygia | themill: It could by listening on adobe, but as you said, that would mean automatic downloading everytime adobe felt like updating. So maybe the better solution is to not do that, and just update the script each time. |
| 15:00.16 | themill | Stygia: you might also like to look at the flashplugin-mozilla package from deb-multimedia.org |
| 15:00.26 | ag4ve | is there a good way to tell when a usb disk (thumb drive or hdd) is 'ready'? |
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| 15:00.48 | Stygia | themill: Oh? That sounds interesting, immediately. But my concern, ATM, is fixing this for _other_ flash users on debian. I suspect most will not know this needs to be done. |
| 15:00.57 | jelly | Stygia: or make it call home (= debian), check the list of approved sizes/timestamps/checksums and download if the adobe update looks decent |
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| 15:01.41 | Stygia | jelly: An option. But I think themill has a point in saying we shouldn't be downloading things without user interaction - we can't assume everybody has good internet. |
| 15:01.44 | themill | Stygia: it wouldn't be "listening on adobe", it would be checking for updates at a fixed intervals and subject to any race conditions and problems with local internet connections etc. Making it a hook that is part of apt-get update or apt-get upgrade would be better. |
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| 15:02.17 | Stygia | themill: Yes, like I said, that solution is better. "Listening on adobe" means checking updates as fixed intervals, obviously. |
| 15:02.34 | OptimusCrimeONE | ksk: any suggestion for what debian I should try, "wheezy"? |
| 15:02.42 | Stygia | themill: You are right, though, that solution is better. It would require a devout package maintainer, but that's the usual story. |
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| 15:03.48 | ksk | OptimusCrimeONE: yes sure wheezy. its debian stable |
| 15:03.50 | ksk | go ahead |
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| 15:04.47 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: I normally find testing is better on a desktop/laptop. |
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| 15:05.17 | Stygia | I feel stupid for asking, but English isn't my first language. What is the implication of a "zeroizable" key? |
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| 15:05.58 | OptimusCrimeONE | stygia:I didn't understand? |
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| 15:06.34 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys, I'm working with Xen and been trying to mask my CPU flags with XL / LIBXL. doing 'host,tm=0,sse3=0' ... but the thing is that I need to mask features like constant_tsc and rep_good or dtherm |
| 15:06.39 | Stygia | OptmimusCrimeONE: I find that it's preferably to run debian testing to debian stable on a "normal" system. Stable is a bit dated. |
| 15:06.42 | dimitry7 | do you know how should I manage to mask these flags? Also I have checked Intel papers to see the registers where they belong to but found nothing. |
| 15:07.08 | dimitry7 | I am on Debian 7 |
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| 15:07.26 | maroloccio | What is the recommended torrent client these days? |
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| 15:07.52 | zyrox | transmission qt/gtk is pretty good |
| 15:08.08 | Stygia | I'll admit I prefer deluge, transmission feels too light for me. |
| 15:08.10 | Stygia | But both are good. |
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| 15:08.14 | vadimkolchev | maroloccio, if you won't like transmission, you could try deluge |
| 15:09.42 | zyrox | transmission is light, but also pretty smart about picking up on available bandwith etc. imo. |
| 15:10.21 | OptimusCrimeONE | Stygia: but if I'm software developer, shouldn't I use stable system? |
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| 15:10.34 | maroloccio | zyrox, Stygia thank you for your advice |
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| 15:10.52 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: Depends. Do you want to have a newish browser, a newish emacs, or anything like that? If so, it could be a pain. |
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| 15:11.07 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: Or new libraries. To you want a more server-like environment? Then sure, stable. |
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| 15:11.30 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: Just understand the difference - stable is "old" software known to work, while testing is sorta-old software with few known bugs. |
| 15:11.47 | babilen | Stygia: There are backports and we just released stable - It's really not that bad. That being said: It is also quite easy to install up-to-date iceweasel versions from http://mozilla.debian.net (and so on) |
| 15:11.55 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: So, in short, stable protects you more from buggy recent additions, but also makes developing a bit more inconvenient. |
| 15:12.19 | Stygia | babilen: Oh yes, you are right. Stable isn't _that_ much of a bother. I'm just trying to hightlight why I prefer to work on testing as a developer myself. |
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| 15:12.51 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: So do pay heed to babilen, he is right, you can do what you need on stable. For me it's just easier/less painful here on testing (my current, primary and only general OS) |
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| 15:13.01 | OptimusCrimeONE | Stygia:ok, I got the point and I'm not gonna have server kind of a environment |
| 15:13.24 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: The important thing is to understand that nothing is wrong with stable. It just chooses older software to avoid any possible bugs. |
| 15:13.30 | Stygia | Well as far as possible. |
| 15:13.45 | ImaLamer | 'older' is a relative term |
| 15:13.50 | Stygia | Indeed it is. |
| 15:13.59 | ImaLamer | not to be confused with 'old' |
| 15:14.05 | Stygia | Correct. |
| 15:14.05 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: I would recomemnd to install and use stable for now. You can *always* switch to testing if you want to or once that becomes necessary. Running testing is a bit more involved and you have to be aware of a couple of its idiosyncrasies to go forward. |
| 15:14.24 | babilen | would also like to clarify that "stable" simply means "not changing" in Debian |
| 15:14.27 | OptimusCrimeONE | In my experience when there might be bug, it most definetly will occur in some case |
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| 15:14.56 | Stygia | Babilen presumably knows this better than me. I have just found, personally, that working as a developer is a bit easier on testing, since it gives me more 'by default'. But I also have experience fixing debian, so I may no longer experience how "troublesome" testing is. |
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| 15:15.54 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: Note my opinion is subjective. Nothing is wrong with testing. |
| 15:16.04 | ImaLamer | stable is going to give frequent updates - when needed. testing might give updates, 'just because' |
| 15:16.08 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: As as was said, you can easily upgrade to testing once needed. |
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| 15:16.44 | marc_smith | Hello. Does anyone have any experience with Wayland and Weston under Debian Experimental? Is it worth testing, or is it still too unstable to even launch it? |
| 15:17.04 | Dwarf | Can anyone assist me with getting my microphone to work? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22999631/alsa-info.txt |
| 15:17.20 | babilen | Stygia: Don't get me wrong (I personally track unstable), but I simply think that stable is perfectly fine for users *until* they run into problems. And then it might also be more appropriate to use backports or backport software oneself. The lack of security support, the removal of packages and a bunch of other things caused by constant transitions and whatnot simply mean that testing is, in itself, also not easy to use. |
| 15:17.28 | ImaLamer | marc_smith: you may want to search bug reports against your hardware |
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| 15:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a utility that will show which filesystems have reached their maximum time/mount count and need to be fsck'ed? |
| 15:17.54 | marc_smith | ImaLamer: thanks. I will. I got pretty old HW, but I was just curious about testing it |
| 15:17.56 | Stygia | babilen: Fair enough. Like I've said, it's just my experience that testing is smoother for a desktop/laptop. |
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| 15:18.06 | babilen | Stygia: In fact I typically recommend a <tum> setup (testing as default release, unstable in sources.list) to "testing" users as that allows them to pull packages from unstable as the need arises. |
| 15:18.09 | Stygia | OptimusCrimeONE: You should probably just listen to babilen |
| 15:18.25 | Stygia | babilen: <tum>? |
| 15:18.40 | babilen | Stygia: Ah, <tum> == "testing unstable mix" -- /msg dpkg tum |
| 15:18.41 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen: stable sounds right exactly for that reason. Im a noob so with stable release I can focus on learning right things and platform is reliable |
| 15:18.44 | fgh2 | nope it did not work you can not configure eth0:1 and eth0:0 without configurationg eth0 so how can i have 2 seperate ip adresse so i can ifup and ipdown ethem seperatly |
| 15:18.46 | ImaLamer | marc_smith: i wasn't trying to give you a non-answer or a 'go away' answer at all |
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| 15:19.26 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: yeah, just let us know if you run into problems or require newer software and whatnot. Read http://debian-handbook.info/ to familiarise yourself with Debian. Do you know how to install Debian and which image to use and so on? |
| 15:19.35 | marc_smith | ImaLamer: ok. I appreciate your help. I will search for some info about HW compatibility |
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| 15:20.56 | Stygia | themill: Well, either way, I intend to try and chat with the flashplugin maintainer. I plan to somehow make APT trigger security updates for flashplugin, and I think the best way is to update the script with each released patch, like you said. |
| 15:21.00 | OptimusCrimeONE | bablien: not exactly. I'd like to use usb(live)-installer |
| 15:21.10 | Stygia | themill: I'll also fix it in my proprietary security scanner, but eh... I don't like debian being insecure by default. |
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| 15:21.46 | OptimusCrimeONE | babalien: and I'll install it on same drive where win 7 is |
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| 15:22.01 | OptimusCrimeONE | *bablien, sorry |
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| 15:22.47 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: Just type "bab<TAB>" which will cause your IRC client to autocomplete ("tab-complete") my nickname |
| 15:22.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about install debian |
| 15:22.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about usb install |
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| 15:23.47 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Do you, by chance, have a preferrence regarding a specific desktop environment (gnome, xfce, lxde, kde) or window manager (awesome, xmonad, fluxbox, openbox) you would like to use? |
| 15:23.50 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen:thanks, didn't know tab works also in irc |
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| 15:24.57 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen: : well, gnome or xfce and I don't know anything about managers |
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| 15:25.09 | Dwarf | Mate <3 |
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| 15:25.41 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen: ...and i have connnection |
| 15:25.56 | zeroxia | Hi, just aptitude -u and upgraded (shift+U, g, g), then slim seems to be wrong, log is here: http://pastebin.com/ZqQSEYq7 |
| 15:26.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about firmare image |
| 15:26.04 | zeroxia | System is sid. |
| 15:26.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about firmware image |
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| 15:26.37 | babilen | zeroxia: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for sid support |
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| 15:26.41 | jeremy_c | ChrisH: With my new information, they did some more looking and found their change was not applied. Once applied, everything started working. Thanks for the help. We have been going around with Superb since Thursday trying to get the port opened. |
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| 15:27.15 | zeroxia | This channel only covers stable releases? |
| 15:27.56 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: As you have a working internet connection I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware for the initial installation. Do you want Gnome or XFCE ? (both are possible, you can install the other later, but you have to choose one (or none) for the initial installation) |
| 15:28.23 | babilen | zeroxia: See "/topic" and trust me. Testing and unstable are explictly supported in #debian-next not in #debian |
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| 15:28.49 | zeroxia | Thanks. |
| 15:28.59 | zykotick9 | babilen: strange. i often do netinst's without selecting the desktop task? |
| 15:29.20 | babilen | zykotick9: "(or none)" |
| 15:29.47 | zykotick9 | babilen: sorry the (or none) was missed by my brain somehow. my bad. |
| 15:29.58 | babilen | no problem :) |
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| 15:30.13 | vadimkolchev | babilen, wow, just tried to visit #debian-next to see the number of people there and was banned instantly and thrown away, lol :) |
| 15:30.21 | babilen | You, naturally, don't have to install the Desktop task. But if you *do* install it you can only pick one Desktop Environment |
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| 15:30.35 | babilen | vadimkolchev: The channel is on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org not here on freenode |
| 15:30.52 | vadimkolchev | babilen, ah, i see, ok |
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| 15:31.23 | OptimusCrimeONE | bablien: suggestions? |
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| 15:31.39 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen: maybe xfce? |
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| 15:32.27 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: For what? I can't tell you what you would like :) If you want Gnome that is fine with me and you don't have to do anything specific as we install Gnome by default. If you want XFCE you have to configure the installer to install that. See "/msg dpkg install xfce" for details on that. |
| 15:33.08 | Tractor_Girl | How to remove split in Gnu Screen? |
| 15:33.39 | OptimusCrimeONE | bablien: i need to manage _many_ desktops at the same time |
| 15:34.06 | OptimusCrimeONE | manage as in use easily |
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| 15:36.08 | MrMonkey31 | Wanted: GUI emulator |
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| 15:37.05 | bubak | Tractor_Girl: C-a X |
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| 15:37.35 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: Yes, but you can only install one during the initial installation. |
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| 15:38.05 | bubak | Tractor_Girl: try tmux instead of screen |
| 15:38.31 | bal | Hello, is there a way to remove the existing RAID array using Debian installer ? |
| 15:38.43 | mtn | MrMonkey31: do you mean a virtual machine? |
| 15:38.50 | phaidros | are there somewhere debian live images with 2.4 kernel ? (potato, sarge) .. did they ever make them back then? |
| 15:39.08 | Tractor_Girl | bubak: thank you. I'll try. |
| 15:39.21 | OptimusCrimeONE | babilen: so any desktop environment doesn't support many desktop views natively? |
| 15:39.37 | MrMonkey31 | I was just babbling. I'm not up to vm's yet |
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| 15:40.58 | mtn | OptimusCrimeONE: do you mean workspaces? gnome3 does that well |
| 15:41.04 | cybrNaut | osfd: "Gandi has offices in Paris (France), Baltimore (USA) and Vancouver (Canada)". At least one of those offices are in a jurisdiction of influence that's not conducive to privacy. |
| 15:41.19 | OptimusCrimeONE | exactly, workspaces |
| 15:41.31 | cybrNaut | osfd: hushmail is better. HM is firmly in Canada.. and Canada has better privacy protections than France |
| 15:41.56 | OptimusCrimeONE | sorry Im confused with all these ne terms and stuff :) |
| 15:42.07 | mtn | OptimusCrimeONE: easy to do :) |
| 15:42.08 | _debian_ | europe has a very bad privacy protection |
| 15:42.29 | cybrNaut | _debian_: not compared to the US |
| 15:42.46 | cybrNaut | _debian_: check out the study done by privacy international |
| 15:42.57 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: I would recommend to download the image I linked earlier and just install the default (Gnome) -- you can alway install XFCE later if you want to try that. |
| 15:43.09 | cybrNaut | Luxembourg scored the same on privacy as Canada |
| 15:43.11 | Hydroxide | seees this conversation likely to devolve into politics - please move political discussion to #debian-offtopic or other channels. #debian should stay focused on Debian user support |
| 15:43.16 | babilen | cybrNaut, _debian_: You might want to take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 15:43.17 | Dwarf | _debian_: not compared to america haha |
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| 15:44.19 | vadimkolchev | if I install debian to usb stick and use it to boot and work on different machines with writing files, will it shorten my usb stick life significantly? |
| 15:44.23 | OptimusCrimeONE | bablien: is gnome _the_ desktop environment for developers/ people with need to manage many workspaces? |
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| 15:46.34 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: you'll find that no one agrees on that sort of thing - with the amount of options you really need to find what works best for you |
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| 15:47.18 | mtn | OptimusCrimeONE: yep, try them and see for yourself |
| 15:47.23 | jair | hello team, I have been using debian squeeze since release and was use to the gnome clean desktop and limited amount of files, basically all I need, trying to keep my laptop very lightweight. |
| 15:47.30 | babilen | OptimusCrimeONE: I wouldn't necessarily say that -- I personally use a window manager such as awesomewm, but that takes some time to get used to. My personal recommendation would be to take a look at http://www.gnome.org http://www.xfce.org and http://www.kde.org and watch some videos on youtube. That should give you a good overview of what it is like to use these. A lot of developers I know prefer minimal window managers such as the ... |
| 15:47.36 | babilen | ... aforementioned awesome, fluxbox or openbox. but really, install Debian first. Both Gnome and XFCE are reasonable choices and you can always install additional environments later. |
| 15:47.44 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: you can prolong the life of the stick by reducing how many times the system need to write to the disk |
| 15:47.53 | jelly | I accidentally deleted /etc/ssh/moduli file. What does it do? |
| 15:48.29 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, so actually I can tune it up for it to write only when I end the session? |
| 15:48.42 | babilen | jelly: moduli(5) discusses that |
| 15:48.45 | jair | that is great, I am not sure which desktop environment to use... |
| 15:48.58 | jair | very good recommendations above from babilen |
| 15:49.04 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: but you'll need to do things like turn off logging - you may look into building your own live system and running it on your stick |
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| 15:50.04 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: with the then problem of losing persistance - i'm not sure about a ready to go solution in your case (i'm sure there are 3 out there :) ) |
| 15:50.17 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, i do not object to changing my usb stick once in 3-4 years, if it is necessary, but I wouldn't like to make it more often |
| 15:50.34 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, ah, so there may be a problem in creating such stick? |
| 15:50.42 | jair | is there a guide with the basic things to have a latop running debian wheeze like, xorg, gnome, and other packages? |
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| 15:51.04 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: well, if it lasts just one year, think how much it'll be cheaper next year to replace |
| 15:51.06 | jair | also should I use the driver for NVIDIA or the one that comes with wheeze? |
| 15:51.16 | jelly | babilen: weird thing that dpkg-reconfigure generates new host keys, but not that file |
| 15:51.31 | jair | I don't want to sound annoying but those are all my questions ;) |
| 15:51.48 | ImaLamer | jair: for a laptop and minimum stuff - prob go with the free/open driver |
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| 15:51.52 | vadimkolchev | jair, what exactly do you need? if you do a usual installation you will end up with gnome and everything of the first need and after that will be able to add apps from repos |
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| 15:52.13 | vadimkolchev | jair, also, during installation there will be a checkbox for installation of software related to laptops |
| 15:52.13 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: i think he wants to pair it down |
| 15:52.13 | jair | ohhh and I will also need to install the Japanese locales and anthy-comon or whatever takes care of me switching between Japanese/English |
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| 15:52.47 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, sorry, I didn't follow from the very beginning |
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| 15:52.58 | jair | vadimkolchev: I saw that but I normally like to keep the system very clean just whatever I choose |
| 15:53.12 | vadimkolchev | jair, you need japanese locale or japanese input language? |
| 15:53.19 | ImaLamer | jair: i found i had most languages installed and then removed the ones i didn't want with bleachbit |
| 15:53.22 | jair | so I normally uncheck everything and start installing components as I start using the system |
| 15:54.04 | ImaLamer | jair: smart move |
| 15:54.04 | jair | alright is debian still using Xorg? I guess if I choose to install gnome will try to install the dependencies |
| 15:54.23 | jelly | jair: Xorg has no alternative!!!1 |
| 15:54.36 | vadimkolchev | jair, everything is using xorg, the question is if it uses xorg.conf or not |
| 15:55.04 | jair | I see understand |
| 15:55.06 | vadimkolchev | jair, you won't get graphical desktop without xorg |
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| 15:55.40 | jair | understand, there is this other software that mobile devices are trying to use forgot the name |
| 15:55.42 | babilen | jair: fwiw, I would recommend ibus-mozc for japanese input |
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| 15:56.08 | vadimkolchev | jair, so, the steps for you - 1) install base system 2) install xorg and xorg-related packages 3) install WM/DE of your choice |
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| 15:57.02 | ImaLamer | jair: you could always not use the gnome metapackages and pick what exactly you want |
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| 15:58.00 | jair | ImaLamer: perfect |
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| 15:58.32 | jair | I am just installing xorg now, will try to install clean gnome or gnome-core I guess and then build from there |
| 15:58.42 | OptimusCrimeONE | bablien: I didn't quite follow what link you mean? Can you link me net install gnome dedian? |
| 15:58.44 | jair | thank you all |
| 15:58.47 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, freebsd (archlinux, gentoo) would suit him better :) |
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| 15:59.30 | vadimkolchev | jair, np, come back when you are successful (or not successful). We will be here to try to help you |
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| 15:59.57 | jair | vadimkolchev: awesome |
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| 16:00.06 | jair | :) |
| 16:00.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about install debian |
| 16:00.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about usb install |
| 16:00.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimusCrimeONE -about firmware image |
| 16:01.19 | jair | I know there is a package to determine which is the fastest mirror colse to your location, I am right now in Tokyo Japan |
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| 16:01.58 | mumpitzel | jair: netselect-apt but sorta deprecated |
| 16:02.16 | jair | so there is a tool I used with squeeze but again after I finish installing squeeze and the packages I needed debian is so solid that I did not need to mess with it at all anymore in a daily basis |
| 16:02.41 | babilen | jair: I would recommend http.debian.net -- See http://http.debian.net for information about about that metamirror. |
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| 16:04.05 | vadimkolchev | just noticed one thing on my fresh installation - some apps take a very long time to start, for example rhythmbox (takes it 15-20 seconds every time disregarding if it has been open within session or opens for the first time), nautilus, when opening it from the shortcut. Strange |
| 16:04.39 | vadimkolchev | and the mouse cursor turns to loading mode (circle in gnome) |
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| 16:05.39 | g00se | Can you recall, when using wheezy installer, what option (using expert install) allows continued installation over ssh? This time, that option is eluding me. In the past, with other versions (iirc) i've had to choose open-ssh-server. That didn't seem to be there |
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| 16:07.26 | jair | mumpitzel: thanks |
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| 16:07.31 | jair | babilen: thank you |
| 16:07.42 | babilen | s/about// |
| 16:07.46 | babilen | jair: You are welcome |
| 16:07.48 | jair | I wonder what is less memory consumer gnome or kde |
| 16:07.54 | babilen | neither |
| 16:07.58 | babilen | :-þ |
| 16:08.02 | jair | haha |
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| 16:08.11 | jair | thinking about what to use... |
| 16:08.35 | zaltekk | memory usage of your DE isn't much of a concern on hardware that isn't like 10 years old |
| 16:08.36 | jair | I have another laptop with ubuntu and uses unity and dash, so I want to try kde I think |
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| 16:08.54 | jair | understand and make sense |
| 16:09.04 | jair | zaltekk: :) |
| 16:09.16 | babilen | Use a DE such as XFCE or LXDE if you are concerned about memory usage. but in the end you will have to investiage minimal window managers ... But then, do you *really* have a box with little memory? |
| 16:09.19 | zaltekk | i'm a fan on KDE. i like gnome2, but don't like gnome3. |
| 16:09.20 | jair | I have 16GB in my thinkpad W510 |
| 16:09.34 | zaltekk | *fan of |
| 16:09.44 | zaltekk | so to me KDE4 is the only full DE choice as of now |
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| 16:09.59 | babilen | jair: Well, there you go ... you have more than enough RAM to run three environments at the same time ;) |
| 16:09.59 | zaltekk | if I want something different, I use i3wm |
| 16:10.21 | tharkun | babilen: gnome3 is a resources hog and it fails unless it has recent hardware. Three year old laptops have isues when running it. |
| 16:10.43 | jair | very good info |
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| 16:10.48 | babilen | hates i3wm (they've taken everything that was great about wmii and threw it away and added a horrible and unpredictable "tree" model ) |
| 16:10.49 | jair | thank you guys |
| 16:11.07 | jair | I may go with lxde or kde |
| 16:11.10 | zaltekk | babilen: everything works great to me |
| 16:11.13 | jair | or both ) |
| 16:11.16 | jair | ;) |
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| 16:11.31 | babilen | zaltekk: I can elaborate on what I mean in #debian-offtopic if you are interested |
| 16:11.48 | zaltekk | babilen: sure, wouldnt mind hearing |
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| 16:12.48 | jair | sorry and thank you guys for all the recommendations |
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| 16:21.43 | zeroxia | Is wmii still being developed? |
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| 16:28.55 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to have a fallback NFS server using autofs? |
| 16:29.08 | FilipeMaia | (two IPs to access the same server for example?) |
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| 16:33.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright for whatever reason i cant change permissions on my usb drive |
| 16:33.49 | ImaLamer | my son's DS just crashed, it's time to talk about software bugs and maybe even free software |
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| 16:34.38 | ImaLamer | Eryn_1983_FL: what type of filesystem is it? |
| 16:35.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | vfat |
| 16:35.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i used the rw option |
| 16:35.29 | Neobenedict | http://i.imgur.com/DdbvPK7.png what magic is this that makes it coloured |
| 16:35.33 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: vfat has no permissions to set and therefore nothing to change |
| 16:35.37 | Neobenedict | magic |
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| 16:35.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | nothing to change? |
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| 16:36.04 | mumpitzel | vfat has no permissions |
| 16:36.10 | mumpitzel | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about vfatrw |
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| 16:36.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant create links on it |
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| 16:37.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
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| 16:37.46 | mumpitzel | no, vfat can't create links either |
| 16:38.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | bahhhhh |
| 16:38.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | then what is it good for? |
| 16:38.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | grumbles and wipes off 32 gb of data |
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| 16:39.02 | mumpitzel | vfat is good for getting microsoft some patent royalties! |
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| 16:39.11 | mumpitzel | and this job it does marvellously |
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| 16:39.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | aye |
| 16:39.42 | g00se | Can you recall, when using wheezy installer, what option (using expert install) allows continued installation over ssh? This time, that option is eluding me. In the past, with other versions (iirc) i've had to choose open-ssh-server. That didn't seem to be there |
| 16:40.38 | ImaLamer | Neobenedict: http://jbsteiner.com/article/enabling-colorful-bash-debian-squeeze |
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| 16:46.20 | welch | is there a way to make more than four nameserver entries work in /etc/resolv.conf ? we have four, the first three will work, but if they are not reachable, the fourth won't be used, dns lookups just fail |
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| 16:47.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | so if i make them ext4 then it will work right |
| 16:47.36 | ImaLamer | Eryn_1983_FL: is this USB stick/drive only going to be used with *nix systems? |
| 16:48.14 | Neobenedict | also |
| 16:48.17 | Neobenedict | i just installed something big |
| 16:48.31 | Neobenedict | everything was downloading from the dedicated server's own wheezy repo |
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| 16:48.34 | Neobenedict | is this... bad? |
| 16:48.59 | Neobenedict | or appeared to be "mirrors.hetzner.de/wheezy/" or something |
| 16:49.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup |
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| 16:49.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to use them with git annex |
| 16:49.38 | ImaLamer | Eryn_1983_FL: for a USB _stick_ you might want to see which filesystem requires the least amount of writes! |
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| 16:52.13 | ImaLamer | Neobenedict: during install? |
| 16:52.13 | ImaLamer | welch: i see 6 as the max nameservers that will be used to search... in older articles |
| 16:52.48 | welch | very odd, not sure why this is not working with 4 |
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| 16:52.51 | ImaLamer | welch: could you possibly have an error on that line |
| 16:52.58 | welch | well, when I move it up, it works |
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| 16:53.12 | welch | always the 4th one does not work, but doesn't matter which one is on the fourth line |
| 16:53.14 | ImaLamer | oh i see |
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| 16:53.29 | ImaLamer | welch: man resolv.conf - seems you can set the max in the header possibly |
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| 16:54.06 | ImaLamer | i lied... http://hd.kvsconsulting.us/netappdoc/733docs/html/ontap/nag/GUID-FAF4078E-B1A4-4A28-8E5C-B080C50D48A7.html |
| 16:54.16 | welch | aaah |
| 16:54.27 | welch | so 3 is the hard limit |
| 16:54.35 | welch | well, at least I know that I'm not crazy :) |
| 16:54.37 | welch | thx |
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| 16:54.47 | ImaLamer | no, but there surely is a workaround somewhere |
| 16:55.10 | welch | that's my next mission to find out how, yeah |
| 16:55.15 | ImaLamer | because i see 3, and then i read 6 (as defined by the code).. |
| 16:56.11 | ImaLamer | it can be changed in resolv.h |
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| 16:56.45 | localh0st_18F^ | Ciau :D |
| 16:56.48 | welch | looks like people are also using dnsmasq |
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| 16:57.24 | angs | when I run "openssl" it shows -bash: /usr/bin/openssl: No such file or directory. however, the correct file is located on /usr/local/ssl/bin on my Debian. what file do I need to edit so that openssl will be executed when I type it on the terminal? |
| 16:57.57 | ImaLamer | angs: you could put that directory entry in your path |
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| 16:59.31 | angs | ImaLamer, do I need to move libraries etc. to other directories? |
| 16:59.47 | ImaLamer | angs: i wouldn't think so - and not the command itself |
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| 17:03.01 | ImaLamer | angs: in your .bash_profile you can set the path - this will allow you to run 'openssl' from anywhere, when you use it next you can do so without explictly typing the directory first |
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| 17:09.42 | angs | ImaLamer: where is .bash_profile located? |
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| 17:13.04 | mumpitzel | angs: in your home directory? |
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| 17:15.17 | huglester | guys what is the most effective way top make daily backups ? |
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| 17:15.36 | huglester | Rsying lots of data makese system quite unresponsive while backup is running |
| 17:15.45 | huglester | I'd like to have more 'transparent' backups |
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| 17:16.14 | ImaLamer | huglester: if performance is your issue you can 'nice' the command |
| 17:16.22 | wjtaylor | Anyone happen to know if apcd will gracefully shutdown your system, if no root password is given? |
| 17:16.53 | huglester | ImaLamer: you thin nice -n 19 can solve the issue ? Nicing the rsync command |
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| 17:16.59 | simNIX | drbd is way to get a raid to another box, but thats more a copy then a backup - could that way maybe ofload rsnapshot load to another box - als i spotted backula and backuppc but those 2 i not tried yet |
| 17:17.17 | simNIX | *also |
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| 17:17.59 | ImaLamer | huglester: it depends if it's CPU intensivity that's the problem or I/O i guess |
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| 17:18.43 | willmore | I fear I already know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. Is there a way to convert a 32-bit install to a 64-bit install that's easier than a reinstall? |
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| 17:19.04 | huglester | ImaLamer: maybe I should try limiting mb/sec on rsync ? |
| 17:19.22 | dingdreher | hi, hello there, is there some backup utility for debian which allows to make incremental backup on changes for a specific folder locally? something similar to windows shadow copy. i've read about samba shadow copy, but this seems to be for feeding the windows client |
| 17:19.58 | jordanm | dingdreher, rsync |
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| 17:20.23 | jordanm | and that's not what shadow copy on windows does. the equivalent to that in linux would be an LVM snapshot |
| 17:20.34 | simNIX | rsynced, maybe teamed up with rsnapshot or backula or backuppc |
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| 17:21.50 | ImaLamer | dingdreher: define 'incremental' in how you want to use it or think you want it to be done |
| 17:21.54 | simNIX | huglester, as my rsnapshot set grows so does the heavy load at start backup where it copies full set with hardlinks, very high on io and cpu indeed |
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| 17:22.30 | huglester | simNIX: yeah I do with hardlinks.... so probably not too much we can do? backup machines should be ready for this :D |
| 17:22.34 | simNIX | limiting rsync with --bwlimit helps me to not saturate remote links, but once copying i dont see too much load |
| 17:22.51 | dingdreher | ImaLamar: it should make a copy of all files which are saved in changed state.. |
| 17:23.18 | dingdreher | ImaLamar: and make these accessable for some python scripts |
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| 17:23.29 | simNIX | I realy like it as a solution, but the ssl encryption if copied in from remote is very hevy on some low power boxes I also run |
| 17:23.39 | simNIX | + the initial copy |
| 17:23.45 | simNIX | (localy) |
| 17:24.16 | simNIX | with rsync i can maybe copy with 14M max, drbd without any encryption gets bit past 50M |
| 17:24.23 | simNIX | but that a copy only ... |
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| 17:25.20 | simNIX | huglester, if proeduction one souldnt take it recomend try drbd for network raid copy to other bax that can |
| 17:25.34 | simNIX | or consider zfs |
| 17:25.39 | simNIX | but that needs beafy box |
| 17:25.43 | ImaLamer | dingdreher: then likely rsync because it will only backup (copy) changes |
| 17:25.43 | ImaLamer | dingdreher: but not multiple states of said backup - just one 'latest' |
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| 17:26.18 | simNIX | can do snapshots runnig filesystem, can compress on fly, and can do incemental snapshots |
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| 17:26.43 | dingdreher | ImaLamer: only for a day then only marked version should be kept. |
| 17:26.54 | huglester | simNIX: drbd - oki I'll google it... I'm rsying lots of data every day... maybe I should try rsying only few times a week or so |
| 17:27.09 | huglester | simNIX: I'll try with bwlimit at start to see how it helps me |
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| 17:28.10 | simNIX | huglester, also dont forget the recomended nice / renice not ... |
| 17:28.39 | simNIX | basicly it can say; this has low priority |
| 17:28.45 | huglester | simNIX: renice not ? Yeah will play with those too. because when we are rsycing data, we also want server be assessible :D |
| 17:28.47 | dingdreher | ImaLamer: best would be if this could be a dynamic setting dependent on filesize and usage |
| 17:29.08 | dingdreher | ImaLamer: or diskspace |
| 17:29.27 | Neobenedict | can i get support for debian etch? |
| 17:29.29 | simNIX | :o) |
| 17:29.44 | jordanm | !tell Neobenedict about etch |
| 17:29.49 | Neobenedict | heheheh |
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| 17:30.04 | Neobenedict | nice bot |
| 17:30.18 | Neobenedict | !tell Neobenedict about wheezy |
| 17:30.47 | jordanm | Neobenedict, you are about 3 years late |
| 17:31.00 | simNIX | i've not been on irc for some time - can someone tell me what was / is command to get bot output of how to utilize info in bot without spamming in room ? |
| 17:32.26 | mtn | simNIX: it is in the topic, so it is easy to find :) |
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| 17:32.35 | mtn | simNIX: "/msg" |
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| 17:33.27 | simNIX | should have spotted it there but only spotted the NO FLOOd |
| 17:33.28 | simNIX | ty |
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| 17:36.57 | jacklk | Should I use Debian wheezy or juliet? |
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| 17:37.46 | mumpitze1 | debian 7.0 aka wheezy |
| 17:38.36 | jordanm | jacklk, you mean jessie |
| 17:38.44 | jacklk | jessie sorry |
| 17:39.19 | nkuttler | jacklk: if you have to ask, wheezy |
| 17:39.52 | jacklk | okay |
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| 17:40.18 | jacklk | Also, what is the best way to connect to wireless from the CLI? |
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| 17:40.40 | vadimkolchev | jacklk, i used wpa_supplicant |
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| 17:41.29 | mumpitze1 | jacklk: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 17:42.04 | jacklk | I want to setup Debian myself and install what I want from a minimal iso without having to follow the installer |
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| 17:42.13 | jacklk | Which iso should I use? |
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| 17:43.15 | jordanm | jacklk, without following the installer? |
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| 17:43.47 | jacklk | well, to get a base system from the installer |
| 17:43.53 | jacklk | then install every package I want |
| 17:44.12 | jordanm | jacklk, the netinst CD will install a minimal system without an internet connection |
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| 17:45.25 | jordanm | jacklk, unlike anaconda, you can not install selected packages via the installer, only tasks |
| 17:45.25 | jacklk | enough to be able to mount drives and install packages |
| 17:45.29 | jacklk | > |
| 17:45.30 | jacklk | ? |
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| 17:45.50 | brw | I think I know the answer to this, but want to ask anyway. Somehow, I have an i386 arch system running on an amd64 processor (with 64-bit kernel running in 32-bit mode). Is it possible to convert an existing system from i386->amd64? (kind of like you would upgrade from squeeze to wheezy) |
| 17:45.54 | jacklk | will the mini.iso be able to do that? |
| 17:45.56 | jordanm | jacklk, if you want to take a manual route for some reason, you can use debootstrap from pretty much any livecd |
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| 17:46.15 | jordanm | jacklk, where do you see that? |
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| 17:46.56 | jacklk | jordanm: Will the mini.iso be able to mount drives and install packages? |
| 17:47.02 | jordanm | brw, it might be possible with wheezy with the introduction of multi-arch |
| 17:47.09 | jordanm | jacklk, where do you see a mini.iso? |
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| 17:47.20 | jacklk | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 17:47.23 | brw | jordanm: ok. I found this http://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit and am reading. |
| 17:47.24 | jacklk | jordanm: ^^ |
| 17:47.41 | jordanm | jacklk, that appears to be for network booting |
| 17:47.59 | jacklk | you said it will install minimal stuff without |
| 17:48.09 | jordanm | brw, that's more creating a new install in a chroot |
| 17:48.16 | [E]sc | should i be worried when the dist-upgrade to wheezy won't proceed due to lack of hard drive space? |
| 17:48.29 | Section58 | no |
| 17:48.35 | Section58 | just don't reboot |
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| 17:48.38 | jordanm | jacklk, you can't have a debian system without all priority required and priority essential packages |
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| 17:48.47 | jordanm | jacklk, it's around 200MB IIRC |
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| 17:49.01 | Section58 | clear some space (probably logs) and you can start again |
| 17:49.03 | jacklk | jordanm: Which iso should I use? |
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| 17:49.05 | jordanm | even debootstrap will install that |
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| 17:49.15 | jordanm | !tell jacklk about netinst |
| 17:49.19 | jacklk | I want to use an official iso |
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| 17:49.28 | Section58 | pats Jack |
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| 17:49.33 | brw | yikes. That looks scary anyway. |
| 17:49.44 | jordanm | jacklk, netinst is official |
| 17:50.17 | jacklk | jordanm: So it will install a base system? |
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| 17:50.56 | jordanm | jacklk, yes |
| 17:50.58 | rryoumaa | what window manager or desktop environment will work best with very high dpi settings (228 or so)? i have only tried xfce so far, and a lot of things are too small or misaligned. (if nobody knows, is there a way to try all window managers in succession?) |
| 17:51.01 | [E]sc | Section58, it's telling me I need 2gb, but i only have 700mbs, even after removing /var/logs. i'm still short quite a bit.. |
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| 17:51.40 | jacklk | jordanm: What desktop enviroment do you use? |
| 17:51.55 | Wizard | Hi. |
| 17:51.58 | Section58 | [E]sc, http://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace |
| 17:52.02 | Section58 | it might be helpful |
| 17:52.12 | Section58 | don't know where you will get another 1.3 gig from tho |
| 17:52.15 | jordanm | jacklk, KDE (wheezy) at home, gnome (squeeze) at work |
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| 17:52.51 | Section58 | [E]sc, old linux-images and programs you don't need/use are a good thing to clear |
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| 17:53.22 | jordanm | that page fails to mention nice graphical programs such as gdmap |
| 17:53.55 | jordanm | du can get the job done, but the graphical representation with the ability to drill-down is nice |
| 17:54.21 | Section58 | and er, 'apt-get clean'... use 'du -hsx * | sort -rh | head -10' to find out where all the space is going |
| 17:54.34 | [E]sc | thanks Section58 ... i had already separated my home directory from the root partition, and used the 10gb recommended I read online somewhere, but apparently still not enough space...what would you recommend as a good root disk size? |
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| 17:54.41 | jordanm | Section58, you don't want -h if you are trying to sort the results |
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| 17:55.46 | jordanm | [E]sc, 10GB is only suitable if you have a seperate /var and /usr |
| 17:56.03 | Section58 | ^^ |
| 17:56.10 | jordanm | [E]sc, I have a / and /home and I am using 58GB of / |
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| 17:56.20 | jordanm | but I have a large database in /var/lib |
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| 17:56.55 | Section58 | is there a 'this lib belongs to this app' program ? |
| 17:56.57 | jordanm | well, looks like "large" = 10GB |
| 17:56.58 | [E]sc | dammit... haha |
| 17:57.03 | Section58 | cause my lib folder is massive |
| 17:57.22 | jordanm | Section58, dpkg -S /path/to/lib |
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| 17:57.39 | Section58 | thanks, got to love dpkg |
| 17:57.40 | jordanm | aptitude why <package> |
| 17:57.44 | [E]sc | jordanm, maybe i'll just reformat my hard drive? |
| 17:57.53 | jordanm | [E]sc, are you using LVM? |
| 17:57.59 | Section58 | probably a bit rash [E]sc |
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| 17:58.28 | jordanm | Section58, maybe not if there is no LVM and the partition he needs to extend is at the beginning of the disk |
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| 17:58.49 | jordanm | [E]sc, pastebin your `df -h` output |
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| 17:59.20 | Section58 | o cool, i just found another drive |
| 17:59.26 | jordanm | he may be able to move /var onto his /home partition though |
| 17:59.27 | Section58 | forgot i added that on this box |
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| 18:00.50 | Section58 | interesting.. my / is only 10gig, and /var and /usr is shared |
| 18:00.56 | [E]sc | jordanm, not sure... let me check.. |
| 18:01.04 | Section58 | and just for the jokes /home has its own drive, and i don't use it |
| 18:01.55 | [E]sc | yeah I'm kinda stupid...10TB of space and i make my root partition 10gbs... |
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| 18:02.02 | brw | if I were to do multiarch, could I eventually get to the point where I swap the base and foreign arch? |
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| 18:02.17 | jordanm | [E]sc, is this a production server? |
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| 18:02.39 | jordanm | brw, I saw a blog post about it I was thinking about trying myself, I will see if i can dig it up |
| 18:02.44 | [E]sc | jordanm, no,...it's my personal |
| 18:02.56 | jordanm | [E]sc, personal box with 10TB? |
| 18:03.01 | NoOova | Hello all. I have a problem with nfs server. When i access it from windows 7 host i have very long timeout before refresh (continuing progressbar) |
| 18:03.10 | Section58 | i wouldn't say no to 10TB's either |
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| 18:03.15 | jordanm | brw, http://www.verboom.net/blog/index.html?single=20101023.0 |
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| 18:03.30 | NoOova | my share settings is: /srv/nfs *(rw,async,no_subtree_check,all_squash) |
| 18:03.49 | [E]sc | jordanm, i get lazy with burning stuff off the drive.. |
| 18:04.05 | jordanm | [E]sc, ok, paste the df output |
| 18:04.17 | rryoumaa | [E]sc: by the way, making your root partition 10gb is the default for the installer if you do encrypted lvm, and i found no way to change it |
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| 18:04.50 | jordanm | rryoumaa, but does it also make a seperate /var and /usr? |
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| 18:06.12 | rryoumaa | jordanm: dunno, i think it offers that as an option |
| 18:06.24 | rryoumaa | but doesn't explain in the dialog itself |
| 18:06.57 | jordanm | rryoumaa, you can always opt not to use the guided partitioning at all |
| 18:06.58 | rryoumaa | (i found partman to be really unintuitive. if you do lvm, and decide you don't want it, you have to reboot and start installation from the beginning. but maybe there is a way to do that.) |
| 18:07.32 | rryoumaa | jordanm: if you know what you are doing and know how to use partman, i presume you can |
| 18:07.37 | jordanm | rryoumaa, there is, you can just delete the PV |
| 18:07.46 | rryoumaa | jordanm: i didn't find that option |
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| 18:07.54 | jordanm | it isn't very intuitive |
| 18:08.04 | rryoumaa | you're telling me! :) |
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| 18:08.19 | [E]sc | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/64uQeq9F thanks. |
| 18:08.30 | rryoumaa | i liked cfdisk, but i guess it's not suitable for the advanced stuff? |
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| 18:08.47 | rryoumaa | i'm all installed now though, with that 10gb partition. where do i go to find out how to add partitions and resize my / to 50gb? |
| 18:09.11 | jordanm | [E]sc, are your /media partitions mounted at boot time? |
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| 18:09.47 | [E]sc | jordanm, yes. automatically |
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| 18:10.09 | AcePoker | installed through |
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| 18:10.13 | jordanm | rrehbein, paste the output of `pvs; lvdisplay` |
| 18:10.46 | jordanm | [E]sc, you can move /var and /usr to one of those filesystems and then symlink it to /var and /usr |
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| 18:11.25 | jordanm | [E]sc, should be done from a livecd |
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| 18:11.36 | rryoumaa | jordanm: oh do you mean me? i am not on the box now, but i will try it. |
| 18:13.13 | jordanm | rryoumaa, if your PV has free space, it's as simple as lvextend -L50G /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv; resize2fs /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv |
| 18:13.19 | jordanm | rryoumaa, and it can be done online |
| 18:13.49 | rryoumaa | jordanm: no, partman used up the entire disk |
| 18:13.52 | jordanm | if you have to shrink another LV to make a room, its a little more complicated (and risky) |
| 18:14.04 | rryoumaa | i couuldn't figure out a way to make it use only part of the disk |
| 18:14.44 | [E]sc | jordanm, thanks, but would that cause the upgrade any problems, since i will be rebooting? |
| 18:14.51 | rryoumaa | jordanm: where is a good place to go to figure out how to shrink my something like 1.7 tb /home? |
| 18:15.07 | petn-ran1all | Is there a way to control the read timeout of a block device? I'm trying to recover data from a failing disk of a friend of mine. Using myrescue to copy the data off-device, but the read errors stall for dozens of seconds. |
| 18:15.31 | rryoumaa | i just installed, so i can probably get away with blowing away /home if necessary |
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| 18:15.54 | brw | jordanm: thanks! its 3 yrs old. Wonder if there are any gremlins I should worry about |
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| 18:16.30 | jordanm | rryoumaa, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/reducelv.html |
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| 18:17.16 | jordanm | brw, the system I was wanting to try it on started on lenny |
| 18:17.25 | jordanm | brw, if you try it, let me know how it goes :) |
| 18:17.40 | brw | jordanm: haha, was just going to say the same to you :) |
| 18:17.52 | rryoumaa | jordanm: what do you mean by risky? if i try it, will i know if it breaks something or will it insidiously show up next week? |
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| 18:18.13 | jordanm | rryoumaa, I mean you should have good backups first |
| 18:18.13 | zaltekk | just take hte volume offline(unmount), fsck, resize |
| 18:18.22 | ircnode0 | I can't execute bash script in external hard drive. I have tried this command "mount -o remount,exec /media/FreeAgent" as root, but doesn't help. |
| 18:18.35 | jordanm | yes, and you should fsck before you mount again like zaltekk says |
| 18:18.39 | mitrax | hello, is there a command to specify a new password hash/salt for a user without messing with /etc/shadow directly? |
| 18:18.47 | monod | maybe because it has not +x |
| 18:18.50 | rryoumaa | zaltekk: ah, that sounds really straightforward. can i just use cfdisk then? i have never used lvm before so i don't know what i am doing. |
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| 18:19.03 | zaltekk | no |
| 18:19.11 | zaltekk | did you not setup lvm? |
| 18:19.13 | jordanm | ircnode0, just call the interpreter on the file. bash /media/FreeAgent/myscript |
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| 18:19.41 | rryoumaa | zaltekk: i did encrypted lvm in the installer, which took up the whole disk even though i did not want it to |
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| 18:19.49 | jordanm | rryoumaa, you need to shrink the filesystem with resize2fs and shrink the lv with lvreduce |
| 18:20.02 | zaltekk | luks with lvm on top? |
| 18:20.15 | CL4P-TP | Hi, I've a weird problem with Debian-installer, it not recognizes keyboard and mouse when I start the Install/Graphical Install |
| 18:20.21 | rryoumaa | zaltekk: dunno, i guess so. i really don't know anything about lvm |
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| 18:20.44 | CL4P-TP | the debian-installer is for testing (netinst of today) |
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| 18:20.58 | rryoumaa | for curiosity, why won't cfdisk work? |
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| 18:21.19 | ircnode0 | jordanm: well it works. thanks |
| 18:21.21 | jordanm | rryoumaa, because that would only resize the PV, not the LV |
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| 18:22.02 | rryoumaa | so cfdisk can't be run on the lv? |
| 18:22.18 | jordanm | rryoumaa, you have a PV (physical volume) which is the real partition. on top of that you have volume groups. inside the volume groups are logical volumes, which contain the filesystems that you use |
| 18:22.21 | rryoumaa | i thought the lv was disk-like |
| 18:22.24 | jordanm | rryoumaa, no, you must use LVM tools |
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| 18:22.57 | rryoumaa | i fear this. the page you linked to did not mention ext4. |
| 18:23.01 | jordanm | also, why anyone would use cfdisk/fdisk when there is GNU parted, I have no idea :) |
| 18:23.14 | jordanm | rryoumaa, resize2fs handles ext4 |
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| 18:23.28 | jordanm | just like e2fsck handles ext4 |
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| 18:23.57 | rryoumaa | nk |
| 18:23.58 | rryoumaa | ok |
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| 18:24.31 | rryoumaa | and e2fsadm -L-1G /dev/myvg/homevol also works on ext4? |
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| 18:25.42 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: you mean e2fsck? Looks more like lvcreate/lvextend ... |
| 18:25.47 | Dwarf | The ehm |
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| 18:26.37 | rryoumaa | petn-randall: that is what the page jordanm says to do |
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| 18:26.40 | Linuturk | is there a jessie or testing -updates repo? |
| 18:26.51 | Linuturk | keep getting a404 |
| 18:27.09 | jordanm | rryoumaa, not that section, the manual one below it |
| 18:27.27 | jordanm | sorry, should have made that more clear or found a better page |
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| 18:27.53 | rryoumaa | but now i have to find out the number of blocks :( |
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| 18:29.18 | jordanm | rryoumaa, size can be expressed in GB |
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| 18:29.36 | jordanm | rryoumaa, resize2fs /dev/foo 50G |
| 18:29.51 | AcePoker | dir>> |
| 18:30.22 | rryoumaa | so then i do "umount /home; resize2fs /dev/myvg/homevol -1G; lvreduce -L-1G /dev/myvg/homevol; mount /home"? |
| 18:30.49 | rryoumaa | oops, i left out the -L-: so then i do "umount /home; resize2fs /dev/myvg/homevol -L-1G; lvreduce -L-1G /dev/myvg/homevol; mount /home"? |
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| 18:34.13 | jordanm | rryoumaa, resize2fs /dev/foo 10G # where 10G is the *total* size of the resulting filesystem |
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| 18:34.50 | jordanm | it may accesp a negative value, but I'm not sure |
| 18:34.52 | jordanm | lvreduce will |
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| 18:36.23 | rryoumaa | jordanm: and i can get the exactly correct number by doing df? or is there some other command? also, will this cause corruption? |
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| 18:37.05 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 18:37.31 | lenswipe | installing debian on my girlfriend's macbook and I'm not sure which arch installer I need |
| 18:37.35 | jordanm | rryoumaa, if there is data at the end of the filesystem, it can cause corruption, but the fsck should clear it up |
| 18:37.38 | lenswipe | uname -a returns Linux Savannah 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:34:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:37.49 | lenswipe | is i386 the one I need to use? |
| 18:37.51 | lenswipe | it's a 2006 macbook |
| 18:38.26 | jordanm | well, that's what its running now for ubuntu |
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| 18:38.33 | mumpitze1 | lenswipe: how much memory do you have? |
| 18:38.43 | rryoumaa | so i shrink, then fsck the shrunk one, then i'm ok then? i wish i could just repartition instead of shrinking. maybe i will shrink, then mkfs or something. |
| 18:38.43 | mumpitze1 | your ubuntu currently runs i386 |
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| 18:39.12 | lenswipe | mumpitze1, I have no idea how much memory I have - It's running unity so it must be reasonable |
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| 18:39.16 | lenswipe | mumpitze1, and thank you |
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| 18:39.42 | lenswipe | mumpitze1, do you know which debian installer I need? |
| 18:39.50 | lenswipe | is the i386 one the one? |
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| 18:40.03 | Quix0r | hello I have installed a full AMD64 system and and I need some i386 packages as well, I followed your advice in wiki (multiarch-howto for users) but no luck e.g. with xserver-xorg-dev:i386 as it conflichts with xserver-xorg-dev (AMD64) |
| 18:40.13 | Quix0r | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 18:40.42 | Quix0r | I need to compile wine (latest GIT) on my AMD64 to let 32-bit games being playable |
| 18:40.49 | mumpitze1 | lenswipe: open a terminal, run "free" |
| 18:40.55 | lenswipe | okay |
| 18:41.21 | lenswipe | mumixam, it should be noted - I'm talking her through this over google hangout :p |
| 18:41.24 | lenswipe | she lives in the states |
| 18:41.25 | mumpitze1 | Quix0r: -dev packages are headers. why would you install those in a different arch? |
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| 18:41.39 | mumpitze1 | lenswipe: then just use i386 |
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| 18:42.51 | lenswipe | mumpitze1, okay |
| 18:43.08 | Quix0r | e.g. configure from wine needs X libraries and many more |
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| 18:43.48 | mitrax | i'm generating an encrypted password using mkpasswd --hash=sha-256 and using usermod --password with the result, but it doesn't seem to work (/etc/shadow shows an empty password hash) on wheezy, any idea why? |
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| 18:44.37 | mumpitze1 | Quix0r: that package doesn't contain X libraries... again: why do you need headers from two different archs? they have the same files |
| 18:45.00 | Quix0r | I just don't know how to fix compiling WINE 32-bit |
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| 18:45.07 | Quix0r | as the Debian package is far out-dated |
| 18:45.21 | lenswipe | mumpitze1, do you know a way to find out which version of ubuntu is installed? |
| 18:45.24 | Quix0r | 1.5.12 is already a little in its days |
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| 18:45.50 | mumpitze1 | ,versions wine |
| 18:45.51 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 18:45.58 | mumpitze1 | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 18:45.59 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.12-1 |
| 18:46.07 | mumpitze1 | Quix0r: I suggest you do a backport |
| 18:46.27 | Quix0r | ??? |
| 18:46.27 | mumpitze1 | Quix0r: if you need to "fix" something, you presumably have an error? |
| 18:46.41 | Quix0r | simple running configure is much easier |
| 18:47.05 | mumpitze1 | it's not easier. and if you don't want to state your actual problem, your choice |
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| 18:47.32 | Quix0r | ??? I stated it: I cannot compile Wine (32-bit) unter AMD64 |
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| 18:47.58 | mumpitze1 | !tell Quix0r about doesn't work |
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| 18:48.54 | Quix0r | configure:9436: error: X 32-bit development files not found. Wine will be built without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to install 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least. Use the --without-x option if you really want this. |
| 18:49.05 | brw | jordanm: I'm too scared. Started looking at this and I think I'm sticking with i386 for now. I can't imagine that at some point (maybe in the next major rev) that they won't provide a better upgrade epath |
| 18:49.14 | mumpitze1 | Quix0r: check your config.log |
| 18:49.27 | Quix0r | ... |
| 18:49.54 | jordanm | brw, I doubt anything other than a fresh install will ever be officially recommended |
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| 18:50.14 | brw | I'm going to flip up the hypervisor to see if I even have space for something like that |
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| 18:52.01 | Quix0r | :( |
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| 18:53.26 | Quix0r | (08:48:52 PM) Quix0r: configure:9436: error: X 32-bit development files not found. Wine will be built without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to install 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least. Use the --without-x option if you really want this. <-- I checked it |
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| 19:07.16 | Quix0r | this is why M$ and Apple are more successful than Linux and all their distributions together: they can give - for a fee, of course, good and competent answers |
| 19:07.47 | MrMonkey31 | I think it's the endless supply of chumps willing to fork over the fees that create the "success" |
| 19:07.50 | ImaLamer | Quix0r: they are hardly more successful |
| 19:07.53 | Quix0r | here, users are getting smacked around like "your bad that you choose a free OS, no guranty on it, your bad" |
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| 19:08.41 | ImaLamer | more people are walking around with a free OS in their pocket running the linux kernel than *any other device on the planet* |
| 19:08.46 | Quix0r | I can pay - if I have that much money 1,000 EUR to Microsoft's support team and I *get* an answer which stops my problems |
| 19:08.50 | vadimkolchev | anyone has an idea why can rhythmbox be so slow to start? takes approximately 20-25 seconds for it to show up |
| 19:09.08 | dondelelcaro | Quix0r: you can pay too, if you want |
| 19:09.11 | dondelelcaro | Quix0r: we have consultants |
| 19:09.12 | ImaLamer | Quix0r: Linux companies will take your money and help you too. If that's why you need, find it. |
| 19:09.28 | dondelelcaro | Quix0r: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 19:09.34 | Quix0r | I don't have that much money :( |
| 19:09.37 | ImaLamer | Quix0r: or toss around insults, it'll help you get help too! |
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| 19:10.03 | ImaLamer | I still have an unanswered (MAJOR) bug on the Microsoft support pages from 2 years ago |
| 19:10.06 | Quix0r | and it is only a "simple" thing: Playing 32-bit Windows games on latest WINE (GIT) under AMD64 |
| 19:10.18 | Quix0r | you payed them 1000 ? |
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| 19:11.31 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: The problem is not with the software, the problem is with your level of knowledge. |
| 19:11.42 | Sulfurix_ | ^ |
| 19:11.42 | Quix0r | 10 years here |
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| 19:11.54 | Sulfurix_ | There is ALWAYS more to learn. |
| 19:11.56 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: You're also asking in the wrong place I think, I think the knowledge you need is more likely found from wine-hq. |
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| 19:12.56 | Quix0r | if a third programs fails to configure, of course, mostly not the distri's fault |
| 19:12.56 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: Also, your assertation that the official package is "far too out-dated" is not well supported, newer isn't always better, the debian package has been tested and probably patched. |
| 19:13.15 | Quix0r | not with all patches I need |
| 19:13.22 | Quix0r | I give it a direct test now |
| 19:13.30 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: So do a debian rebuild. |
| 19:13.39 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: Have you installed the build-deps for wine? |
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| 19:14.39 | jhutchins_wk | This is EXACTLY "the problem with Linux" - users who think their lack of knowledge is an endemic problem with the OS. |
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| 19:14.50 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins_wk: no it hasn't. for WINE, yes newer is better |
| 19:15.04 | Sulfurix | Yes, and then overflows fora and channels with it |
| 19:15.19 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins_wk: I told him to do a backport of wine-unstable. he thinks it's too hard. |
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| 19:16.47 | vadimkolchev | is it possible to rebuild all my installed packages from source? |
| 19:17.02 | mumpitze1 | of course it is |
| 19:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | mumpitze1: ... and in spite of the fact that you can't even DO that in Windows he complains about Linux. |
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| 19:17.22 | nkuttler | vadimkolchev: certainly, but why? |
| 19:17.29 | jhutchins_wk | The solution to most wine problems is to find the native *nix method of solving the root problem. |
| 19:17.48 | vadimkolchev | nkuttler, have not so bad machine, but some programs lag, want to try to rebuild |
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| 19:18.13 | Sulfurix | /ignore -channels #kde #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS |
| 19:18.17 | Sulfurix | wait |
| 19:18.22 | Sulfurix | Damn it. |
| 19:18.26 | nkuttler | vadimkolchev: well, Debian is a binary distro.. if you want to build everything yourself.. |
| 19:18.27 | mumpitze1 | !gentoosmite vadimkolchev |
| 19:18.27 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling vadimkolchev, and when it's all done, vadimkolchev runs 3% slower than previously |
| 19:18.42 | Sulfurix | I guess it's that time of day i remove myself from root options |
| 19:18.47 | nkuttler | vadimkolchev: why don't you use a more lightweight environment? e.g. no gnome/kde |
| 19:18.53 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, lol :) |
| 19:19.05 | jhutchins_wk | vadimkolchev: If you really want to do that it's better supported by gentoo. If you find it significantly better, then you might try it for Debian, but it usually isn't. |
| 19:19.10 | ws2k3 | i'm having an issue i have one linux machine with 2 ip adresses i wanne ifup one ip and ifdown the other or vica versa but this does not work i now have eth0 eth0:0 and eth0:1 when i ifdown eth0:1 it works fine but when ifdown eth0:0 then eth0:1 also goes down how can i set it up so i can use both ip adresses and ifdown one of them |
| 19:19.13 | vadimkolchev | nkuttler, gnome supporter |
| 19:19.21 | Quix0r | one direct test is Duke Nukem Forever under Steam, crashed with Debian package |
| 19:19.24 | vadimkolchev | jhutchins_wk, I understand, used it |
| 19:19.33 | Sulfurix | You know what i'd like to see? An alchohol tester that you blow into, before you can do the su |
| 19:19.36 | Quix0r | at least it doesn't crash with GIT wine |
| 19:19.37 | Sulfurix | or sudo |
| 19:19.40 | jhutchins_wk | vadimkolchev: If you've chosen the correct architecture in the first place the code should be well enough optimized that any difference is imperceivable if not immesurable., |
| 19:19.53 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, jhutchins_wk I just can't figure out my problem with rhythmbox |
| 19:20.10 | ompaul | Sulfurix: I'd rather be drunk than tired in front of a keyboard (speaking from experience) |
| 19:20.17 | vadimkolchev | jhutchins_wk, yes, the correct arch was chosen |
| 19:20.24 | Sulfurix | ompaul: not here :/ |
| 19:20.30 | Sulfurix | It's the other way around |
| 19:20.33 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: It doesn't work that way. The actual interface is either up or down, the alias addresses follow that. |
| 19:20.47 | ompaul | Sulfurix: lets take it to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 19:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: What you CAN do is change the address of eth0. |
| 19:21.22 | Sulfurix | ompaul: ncie trick |
| 19:21.24 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_wk i thin i cant because i want both ip's to be able to be up at the same time |
| 19:21.38 | ws2k3 | only i wanne ifdown one of them want i need it |
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| 19:26.12 | Neobenedict | !gentoosmite Neobenedict |
| 19:26.12 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling Neobenedict, and when it's all done, Neobenedict runs 0.7% faster than previously |
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| 19:26.29 | Neobenedict | !gentoosmite deluge |
| 19:26.29 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously |
| 19:26.43 | Neobenedict | what a great bot |
| 19:26.47 | simNIX | hehe |
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| 19:27.07 | vadimkolchev | found out why rhythmbox is slow. Avahi daemon is not running and I can't run it. says i have a unicast .local domain |
| 19:27.18 | Neobenedict | you know how to make it better? |
| 19:27.21 | Neobenedict | !gentoosmite dpkg spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously |
| 19:27.22 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling dpkg spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously, and when it's all done, dpkg spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously runs no faster than previously |
| 19:27.31 | Neobenedict | !gentoosmite dpkg spends 9 days recompiling dpkg spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously, and when it's all done, dpkg spends 5 days recompiling deluge, and when it's all done, deluge runs 10% slower than previously runs no faster than previously |
| 19:27.33 | Neobenedict | etc |
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| 19:29.33 | simNIX | ws2k3, maybe overkill or not fitting but maybe this can do it as you like : http://linux-ha.org/wiki/Pacemaker |
| 19:29.52 | jhutchins_wk | Neobenedict: Once is enough with the bot. |
| 19:31.01 | ws2k3 | simNIX thx for the idea but i think that not what i'm looking for i had no idea that what i want is that hard |
| 19:31.17 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: A crude workaround would be take eth0/networking down, swap interfaces files, bring it back up. Keep multiple versions of interfaces with the different configs you want. |
| 19:31.19 | ws2k3 | is it asked that much to just have 2 ip adresse and seperaly ifup/ifdown them? |
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| 19:31.48 | zophy | why does debian install autoconf 2.13 ? |
| 19:31.54 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: It's just not an intended function of aliases. |
| 19:32.11 | jhutchins_wk | zophy: Is there a reason it should not? |
| 19:32.24 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_wk yeah i understand but still |
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| 19:32.40 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Two seperate NICs... |
| 19:33.07 | ws2k3 | ther eis only one nic int he machine |
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| 19:33.41 | ws2k3 | there is only one nic in the machine |
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| 19:34.45 | ompaul | ws2k3: you will not accept this but for what it's worth you are going to have to accept that unless you hack at kernel level you are not going to be able to get there from here |
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| 19:35.13 | ws2k3 | probarly not :) |
| 19:35.25 | ws2k3 | i have alot of ddos attacks on my servers |
| 19:35.51 | ws2k3 | so i was thinking with 2 ip adresses i could just switch them and ifdown the other ip adres there ddos removed |
| 19:36.08 | ompaul | ws2k3: you get upstream to sort you out |
| 19:36.08 | ws2k3 | then the interface is down the ip is null routed |
| 19:36.19 | ws2k3 | how you mean exacly ? |
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| 19:36.44 | ompaul | DDOS is usually prevented at supplier level ISP and their suppliers |
| 19:36.59 | ws2k3 | i know but my isp is refusing any coorporation |
| 19:37.08 | ws2k3 | but i am located at a budget host i have to say that |
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| 19:37.23 | ompaul | MOVE |
| 19:37.25 | ws2k3 | i was just investegating what i could do with 2 ip adresses |
| 19:37.34 | Linuturk | ws2k3: what is being hit? a website? |
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| 19:37.43 | ws2k3 | nope an ip adres |
| 19:37.43 | Linuturk | ws2k3: cloudflare.com |
| 19:37.46 | Linuturk | oh |
| 19:37.47 | ws2k3 | we already use :) |
| 19:38.03 | Linuturk | what kind of service? |
| 19:38.41 | mumpitzel | ws2k3: your logic is very faults. yes you can take down an ip, but how do the clients find your server then? |
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| 19:38.57 | mumpitzel | *very faulty |
| 19:39.13 | ws2k3 | people use my service from the website |
| 19:39.25 | ws2k3 | we have monitoring software just i can just switch to another server |
| 19:39.30 | ws2k3 | switch to another ip |
| 19:39.41 | mumpitzel | and what prevents the people DDOSing you doing the same? |
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| 19:40.09 | ws2k3 | nothing |
| 19:40.16 | ws2k3 | lets ask the question the other way around |
| 19:40.19 | 20WACLPPV | <ws2k3> i know but my isp is refusing any coorporation <-- time to get a new isp |
| 19:40.28 | ws2k3 | my connection is 100 mbit |
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| 19:40.44 | ws2k3 | when people send me 100 mbit> = server offline |
| 19:40.51 | ws2k3 | as far as i know there is nothing i can do about that |
| 19:41.03 | ompaul | ws2k3: what kind of service are you running that it attracts that kind of volume |
| 19:41.16 | ws2k3 | yeah the traffic is getting insta droppen by the firewall but that is not good enough i cant prevent them from sending |
| 19:41.20 | ompaul | ws2k3: I do not want to know - just if that is that case - fix your business model |
| 19:41.23 | ws2k3 | http://freegamehosting.nl |
| 19:41.30 | ws2k3 | a free public service for game hosting |
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| 19:42.10 | ws2k3 | i know why it happens i only cant do anything about it |
| 19:42.15 | Section58 | pumping loads of cash into a business with no return isn't a business |
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| 19:43.12 | Section58 | ooo, i see what you do .. |
| 19:43.28 | Section58 | free slots .. then pay us for better stuff |
| 19:43.30 | Section58 | cool pan |
| 19:43.33 | Section58 | *plan |
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| 19:46.43 | win5hit | hi there! I'd like to ask if Linux Integration Services Version 3.4 for Hyper-V work with debian stable? |
| 19:47.14 | moof2 | for wheezy, seems I have two sources (main and security)... could someone explain what the third is and how things work? |
| 19:48.05 | rryoumaa | maybe non-free? |
| 19:48.29 | moof2 | well I have main/contrib/non-free in the first one... and security for main in the second |
| 19:48.45 | moof2 | the third is named on a factoid: |
| 19:48.51 | moof2 | !wheezy sources |
| 19:49.01 | moof2 | or not :) |
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| 19:49.16 | moof2 | !wheezy sources.list |
| 19:49.16 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:49.20 | moof2 | there it is |
| 19:51.05 | moof2 | what I'm mainly curious about, is how do packages get to "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" |
| 19:51.17 | rryoumaa | back to my resizing with encrypted lvm question: can i just blow away /home and create a new /home that is smaller and then use the rest of the space for a new root partition? |
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| 19:52.41 | DrFoo | Can anyone manually mount.cifs a file system using a credentials file? |
| 19:52.51 | moof2 | if you have / and /home both as logical volumes, then you should be able to do it... one thing, reducing the size of an lv may require it to be unmounted |
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| 19:53.47 | rryoumaa | moof2: can i do that while booting from the 10gb root that i am trying to make bigger? |
| 19:53.51 | moof2 | also, remember that to reduce, you must reduce the filesystem size before you reduce the volume size, or it will cut off data |
| 19:54.20 | moof2 | why do you need 10gb on /? |
| 19:54.52 | moof2 | what dir do you really want to grow to that size? |
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| 19:55.22 | DrFoo | There is an old bug open for this, but I think this would have been resolved by now. |
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| 19:56.33 | SmashingX | I'm trying to remember what's the file in linux that holds the host name and DNS |
| 19:56.40 | SmashingX | could somebody help me to remember? |
| 19:56.56 | [E]sc | thanks again for the advice jordanm, Section58 ... i moved the var and usr directories ... suddenly got 8gb free.. |
| 19:57.03 | moof2 | hostname is /etc/hostname, dns is /etc/resolv.cnof |
| 19:57.11 | moof2 | err .conf |
| 19:57.44 | SmashingX | resolv |
| 19:57.45 | SmashingX | right |
| 19:57.47 | SmashingX | thanks! |
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| 19:58.47 | moof2 | np... sometimes resolv.conf is "owned" by another package, usually resolvconf so that you can put your own choice for name server in /etc/network/interfaxces |
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| 20:01.34 | Section58 | [E]sc, yey |
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| 20:01.51 | moof2 | and the purpose is, say you get your IP with dhcp, and you want to use a different name server than dhcp supplies... if you install resolvconf, then you can put the name server you want in the interfaces file |
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| 20:02.20 | Quix0r | ../../../../../seeks/src/plugins/img_websearch/ocvsurf.cpp:32:21: fatal error: cxflann.h: No such file or directory <-- that is what I have usually to deal with, most (not all) of them can be fixed by search for the header's name (here cxflann) with aptitude |
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| 20:03.36 | moof2 | Quix0r, so that's a header file that is missing. what debian did, is split libraries into compiletime parts (in which the headers for that lib are), and runtime (where the linked libs are) |
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| 20:04.13 | moof2 | if you see a missing header file, it's usually that the compiletime part of the lib package is missing... so |
| 20:04.26 | Quix0r | no, what I mean is that I have learned fixing them (simply searching for them in aptitude/apt-cache first than consulting ixquick |
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| 20:05.10 | moof2 | the question becomes "which *-dev package has that header file" |
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| 20:05.23 | diamonds | why does everything want to install from CD ROM |
| 20:05.26 | maroloccio | To stop mysql-server I would rather "service mysql stop" than init.d/mysql stop, correct? And Debian is not Ubuntu so no "upstart"-like "stop mysql".. Should I be "service X action"ing as a default? |
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| 20:05.48 | Quix0r | yes, that is what I investigate now |
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| 20:05.58 | moof2 | diamonds, look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (or /etc/apt/sources.list.d) |
| 20:06.00 | Quix0r | ixquick (I don't use google) says opencv |
| 20:06.11 | Quix0r | but libopencv-dev is already installed :( |
| 20:06.13 | Skymont | is debian going to support touch screen abilities in future releases? |
| 20:06.18 | floyy2 | hi, is there any txt how I can delete unnecessary stuff from my distro |
| 20:06.22 | Quix0r | find /usr/include/ -type f -name cxflann* <-- turns up nothing |
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| 20:06.57 | Quix0r | libopencv-flann-dev including this |
| 20:07.04 | diamonds | moof2» comment out the deb cdrom line? |
| 20:07.04 | jair | team, I have two laptops identical, one has ubuntu 13.04 and this is the other one with debina 7.0 |
| 20:07.06 | moof2 | Quix0r, you can use google for that, or install apt-file |
| 20:07.22 | maroloccio | Rephrasing the question: is service SERVICE_NAME ACTION the "right way" to control services in Debian? (I generally do a bit of upstart and a bit of "service" and/or etc/init.d on Ubuntu..) |
| 20:07.38 | moof2 | diamonds, let me try to give you a more complete picture... /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 20:07.45 | jair | On the ubuntu one the speakers are configured very nicely and I can hear the side ones and the front ones very clear and loud, but not on the wheeze? |
| 20:07.50 | jair | wheezy |
| 20:08.35 | jair | what are the packages I should install to configure sound on my thinkpad W510 Lenovo with debian Wheezy |
| 20:08.35 | Quix0r | moof2: no chance I use google : |
| 20:08.36 | Quix0r | :) |
| 20:08.40 | jair | alsa-base? |
| 20:09.00 | moof2 | then you miss out on a way to find info :) |
| 20:09.15 | Quix0r | or disinformation ;) |
| 20:09.20 | moof2 | in any case, does libopencv-flann-dev make your compile run to completion? |
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| 20:09.33 | Quix0r | moof2: it is already installed |
| 20:09.41 | moof2 | and? |
| 20:10.15 | jair | this is my audio device: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) |
| 20:10.25 | Quix0r | nothing like that file it in |
| 20:10.43 | moof2 | if it was already installed, does that mean your compile still fails since you haven't changed what headers are installed? |
| 20:10.44 | jair | any tips I can get to get the best out of this sound card? |
| 20:11.06 | diamonds | moof2» this is probably a can of worms but why is the bot advice at variance with the defaults in debian? or, why doesn't it default to install-packages-from-internet |
| 20:11.23 | Quix0r | I was able to compile it before I had to reinstall my system |
| 20:11.31 | Quix0r | so maybe the header file slipped out? |
| 20:11.35 | Quix0r | by mistake |
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| 20:11.48 | moof2 | diamonds, maybe it's how you initially installed... |
| 20:11.59 | free_mind | Quix0r: very good. an alternative to ixquick is also ddg.gg or startpage.com (When you search with Startpage the Web results are generated by Google.) |
| 20:12.09 | diamonds | moof2» I just clicked thru the defaults. It's a VM, maybe that's it |
| 20:12.16 | moof2 | in any case, if you put those three lines in (pause: do you have wheezy? |
| 20:12.34 | Quix0r | yes, wheezy here |
| 20:12.37 | moof2 | does the vm have net? |
| 20:12.42 | diamonds | moof2» I believe so. I left the existing "src" line |
| 20:12.45 | diamonds | moof2» yes it does |
| 20:12.56 | diamonds | there was 1 commented "cd" line & 1 uncommented |
| 20:13.00 | diamonds | not sure how that came to pass |
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| 20:13.49 | free_mind | Can anyone tell me the difference between /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- ? |
| 20:14.02 | moof2 | there are a lot of different possibilities... if you want to just ignore what happened before and move forward, you could put those three lines in there, run the update tnen you 're all set |
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| 20:14.45 | moof2 | Quix0r, did your compile succeed after installing the -dev pkg? |
| 20:14.54 | Quix0r | no |
| 20:14.57 | rryoumaa | moof2: the installation gave me no choice but to have only 10gb for root. i'm ok with blowing away /home if it will make it safer, but can i increase root to 50 while logged in? |
| 20:15.00 | diamonds | moof2» thank you |
| 20:15.16 | zaltekk | rryoumaa: no, not really |
| 20:15.18 | zaltekk | do it from the install media |
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| 20:15.23 | Quix0r | I downloaded it with aptitude and looked into CONTENTS directory, no such file there |
| 20:15.30 | rryoumaa | moof2: (i mean that the installation took up the entire disk and only had 10gb and did not let me change the size) |
| 20:15.34 | diamonds | I'm always curious about such things in linux distros as I'm not super skilled & UX bumps-in-the-road on linux install are always frustrating |
| 20:15.52 | diamonds | so I inquire to find out if maybe there's a reason I don't know about why the defaults are funky |
| 20:15.52 | rryoumaa | can it be increased anyway, or does it bump into the next partition? |
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| 20:15.58 | moof2 | so the installer just did it's thing? |
| 20:16.04 | zaltekk | rryoumaa: depends on the layout |
| 20:16.05 | rryoumaa | yes |
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| 20:16.32 | rryoumaa | i just went with what the installer said. it did not let me change the size of root so i had no choice. |
| 20:16.44 | moof2 | if you're running lvm, and / is also an lv, if you're careful you can do anything you want |
| 20:16.50 | rryoumaa | so now i have a 1.9tb /home or something :( |
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| 20:17.28 | moof2 | 10g fpr / is pretty large unless you are running with just the one partition |
| 20:18.15 | vadimkolchev | how can I add my own script to be run during boot even before my network interface goes up? |
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| 20:20.51 | moof2 | your script should (1) depend on networking, and (2) your network interfaces should be set to auto |
| 20:21.14 | moof2 | that's the only way to guarantee you have net before your script is run |
| 20:21.19 | Quix0r | can someone reach this: http://free-search.homelinux.org:9977/ |
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| 20:21.37 | vadimkolchev | moof2, I don't need net before it is run, I need net only after it is run |
| 20:21.38 | Quix0r | it is apt-p2p (patched to make it "work" again on Debian Wheezy) |
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| 20:22.15 | moof2 | Quix0r, Download Statistics? |
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| 20:22.47 | free_mind | anyone can give me input? |
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| 20:22.51 | Quix0r | moof2: apt-file search cxflann.h <-- nothing returned |
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| 20:23.10 | Quix0r | moof2: yes, from my apt-p2p node (+ I run two on my server) |
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| 20:23.14 | moof2 | Quix0r, did you apt-file update? |
| 20:23.33 | Quix0r | apt-p2p died because the author stopped fixing it due to limited time :( |
| 20:23.37 | Quix0r | yes |
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| 20:23.45 | moof2 | free_mind, one is a backup |
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| 20:24.30 | Quix0r | I have now some success to report to him because my peers can download from each other |
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| 20:24.35 | Quix0r | at least sometimes ;) |
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| 20:24.59 | RaycisCharles | codepython777 needs to fix his connection. |
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| 20:25.11 | Quix0r | http://mxchange.org:9977/ <-- my server box :) |
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| 20:25.53 | Quix0r | here is the main page: http://www.camrdale.org/apt-p2p/ |
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| 20:26.23 | free_mind | moof2: thanks. |
| 20:26.53 | moof2 | vadimkolchev, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:27.03 | moof2 | specifically look at the commented lines |
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| 20:28.58 | Ravaillac | vadimkolchev: Have a look at this: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 20:30.34 | moof2 | once you have your init.d scripts set up the way you want, run insserv |
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| 20:31.15 | moof2 | and if the lsb comments are set up correctly, it will make a boot order |
| 20:32.33 | lenswipe | can someone help me get the IM client working in gnome shell? |
| 20:33.42 | Quix0r | moof2: updating package lists now |
| 20:33.49 | Neobenedict | hi |
| 20:33.54 | Neobenedict | http://i.imgur.com/JjrVHK4.png <- how can i colour my p2p like my root? |
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| 20:38.05 | hotwings | i dont suppose anyone here is booting debian from a usb3.0 device plugged into their mainboard? |
| 20:38.34 | cusco | I booted debian installer from usb, dunno if it was already 3.0 |
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| 20:39.42 | diamonds | is it possible to pull a few packages out of jessie without switching fully? |
| 20:39.56 | hotwings | im looking to boot debian installed on a usb3.0 flash stick, plugged into a usb3.0 port on a mainboard. having trouble finding good info on it |
| 20:40.00 | cusco | add repo sources in sources.list |
| 20:40.06 | diamonds | I would like a feature from xfce 4.10 & I'm not confident in my skills to build from source |
| 20:40.10 | cusco | then apt-get install -t testing/jessie packagename |
| 20:40.25 | diamonds | cusco» but my default will remain weezy? |
| 20:40.44 | mumixam | Neobenedict: how did root get color in the 1st place? |
| 20:41.12 | cusco | diamonds: only that package (and deps?) will come from testing |
| 20:41.20 | cusco | then comment it again on sources.list |
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| 20:41.25 | diamonds | ah |
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| 20:41.41 | diamonds | cusco» where does jessie factor in here? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=103250 |
| 20:41.51 | diamonds | I see people mentioning sid & weezy but no jesse |
| 20:41.56 | diamonds | perhaps it's not in that repo |
| 20:42.22 | cusco | diamonds: there is referenced 'EXPERIMENTAL' |
| 20:42.48 | cusco | that is not jessie btw |
| 20:44.00 | diamonds | eh? |
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| 20:46.38 | dingdreher | ImaLamer: is there something like a version control system which can get applied to a folder to register all changes made by samba and nfs access and system processes? |
| 20:47.12 | Quix0r | moof2: all is up-to-date |
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| 20:48.15 | moof2 | ok, so now that you have that, does your compile work? |
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| 20:48.40 | angs | are .bash and .bashrc the same? |
| 20:49.02 | moof2 | no, they are two different strings (one a bit longer than the other) |
| 20:49.04 | Quix0r | moof2: sorry no. the header file is missing in -dev package |
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| 20:49.26 | Quix0r | angs: do you mean ${HOME}/.bashrc? |
| 20:49.29 | moof2 | maybe that's not the -dev pkg you want? |
| 20:49.45 | angs | Quix0r: I mean on /root/.bashrc |
| 20:49.51 | Quix0r | ${HOME}/.bash seems not to be the right file name, only I know is .bashrc and .bash_history |
| 20:50.05 | Quix0r | be careful as root :) |
| 20:50.08 | moof2 | angs, take a look at man bash, scroll to FILES section |
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| 20:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: I asked earlier and never saw your answer, did you install build-deps for the package? |
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| 20:50.44 | Quix0r | jhutchins_wk: will try it |
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| 20:51.02 | jhutchins_wk | Quix0r: Ah, I see you are on to another package. If it's not currently in your debian release build-deps won't be either. |
| 20:51.04 | chz|bacon | has one here used software raid in awhile? i had it eat my lunch twice a few years back. |
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| 20:54.00 | Quix0r | jhutchins_wk: I try to compile seeks (which is also a debian package) from latest git |
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| 20:55.34 | Quix0r | my guess: libopencv-flann-dev should contain cxflann.h and now it does not contain it |
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| 20:56.11 | Quix0r | Version: 2.3.1-11 |
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| 21:01.00 | Roberth1990 | is there a r8168 .deb package for wheesy out there? |
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| 21:01.43 | Quix0r | r8168 is a kernel module which will be provided by most recent kernels (not to old) |
| 21:01.46 | vadimkolchev | Roberth1990, why would you need it? r8169 is working well |
| 21:01.53 | Quix0r | so if you install 3.9 kernels, you should be fine :) |
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| 21:02.28 | Quix0r | Roberth1990: become root and modprobe: sudo modprobe -v r8169 |
| 21:02.54 | Quix0r | use a "terminal program" like xterm is |
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| 21:06.25 | angs | does a debian have to have .bash_profile? |
| 21:06.37 | angs | (debian lenny) |
| 21:06.49 | moof2 | no |
| 21:07.03 | ws2k3 | how can i let tcpdump log 5 rules for exampke |
| 21:07.08 | ws2k3 | i wanne say max 10 rules for example |
| 21:07.16 | moof2 | that's something in your home dir, which debian packages are not permitted to touch or influence |
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| 21:09.08 | ompaul | angs: the default is drawn from /etc/bash.bashrc or you can also influence /etc/profile (if that is of help to your use case) |
| 21:09.20 | angs | when I type openssl on the terminal, it outputs "-bash: /usr/bin/openssl: No such file or directory", however the binary is located on /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl. how can I define that bash checks /usr/local/ssl/bin to run openssl? |
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| 21:10.03 | moof2 | angs, that's not a debian package |
| 21:10.09 | jhutchins_wk | angs: Is /usr/local/ssl/bin in your user's path? |
| 21:10.19 | ImaLamer | angs: edit the path variable in your .bash_profile |
| 21:10.29 | ImaLamer | angs: this file is in your home directory |
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| 21:10.47 | angs | I compiled the openssl manually from the source code, but I could not find .bash_profile on /root |
| 21:10.50 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.05 | moof2 | you would create it |
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| 21:11.29 | ImaLamer | angs: try 'ls .*' at the command line or 'ls -al' |
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| 21:12.30 | moof2 | also to see what a new user would get in their home dir, ls -a /etc/skell |
| 21:12.31 | angs | I dont have .bash_profile on /root and /home http://pastebin.com/nNPkLkEj |
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| 21:12.32 | jhutchins_wk | ImaLamer: Missing .bash_profile for root is normal. |
| 21:12.35 | moof2 | err -l |
| 21:13.22 | jhutchins_wk | angs: You could also symlink the binary to the standard location. |
| 21:13.30 | ImaLamer | ^^ |
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| 21:14.28 | moof2 | that symlink is the kind of thing I'd put in my installation journal, to allow you to duplicate it on a different machine or replacement of the same machine |
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| 21:15.37 | Neobenedict | http://pastebin.com/QJhE2KLd <- can someone help me make /home/ 2tb and shrink rootfs? |
| 21:16.10 | angs | thank you , it works now after symlink |
| 21:16.51 | frostschutz | Neobenedict, fdisk -l, cat /proc/mdstat? |
| 21:17.52 | moof2 | !test |
| 21:17.53 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:18.20 | Neobenedict | dont have fdisk on here, what's it's install name? |
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| 21:18.47 | Roberth1990 | vadimkolchev Quix0r I know about that driver but it doesnt work very well for me |
| 21:18.56 | moof2 | isn't fdisk required/base? |
| 21:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | Neobenedict: back up (always needed if you're messing with partitions); repartition; restore. |
| 21:19.17 | Quix0r | any errors messages in syslog? (/var/log/syslog) |
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| 21:20.13 | jhutchins_wk | Neobenedict: util-linux, you can find which package contains a file with apt-cache. |
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| 21:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | !r8186 |
| 21:21.02 | jhutchins_wk | !realtek |
| 21:21.03 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 21:21.23 | jhutchins_wk | !r8168 |
| 21:21.24 | dpkg | r8168 is an out-of-tree Linux kernel driver supporting Realtek PCI-E gigabit Ethernet controllers, made available by the vendor. r8168 should only be used for devices not yet supported by the in-tree <r8169> driver. Packaged for Debian as r8168-dkms in <unstable>, this will never be part of a stable Debian release. Purging the r8168-dkms package is required to remove the r8169 blacklist. http://code.google.com/p/r8168/ |
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| 21:24.46 | nvz | so.. I just upgraded this box to Wheezy a couple days ago and its been working fine until today he boots it up and he logs in at gdm3 and then this screen comes up like you might see on a mac, frown face computer says contact admin (me) |
| 21:24.55 | Roberth1990 | is it possible remake the package for wheesy? |
| 21:25.00 | Roberth1990 | *wheezy |
| 21:25.01 | nvz | I get here "service restart gdm3" from tty1 and login, it works fine |
| 21:25.06 | ImaLamer | any suggestions for a slideshow program, one I can add a list of images from various locations and set to run (as opposed to just one directory) |
| 21:25.11 | nvz | what was that crap all about? heh |
| 21:25.42 | ImaLamer | nvz: starts fine except for the initial boot? |
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| 21:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: Can you reproduce the error? |
| 21:26.36 | nvz | ImaLamer: I just got here.. he called me an hour ago he had turned the machine on and tried to login and it gave him that big computer with frown face said contact admin, so he calls me, I get over here and all I did was switch to tty1 and restart gdm3 and it works fine |
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| 21:26.58 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: just got here, and restarting gdm3 and logging in did not reproduce the error |
| 21:27.16 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: however I saw it on the screen looking a whole lot like macos when I got here.. heh |
| 21:27.45 | ImaLamer | is someone messing with you? |
| 21:27.47 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: he does have mate on here in addition to gnome3 so this could be a mate thing.. as I never heard of anything like this |
| 21:27.53 | nvz | ImaLamer: you'd think so wouldnt you? |
| 21:27.59 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: So the next step is to reboot and see if it happens again. |
| 21:28.20 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: yeah I suppose.. I just wanted to see if everyone was thinkin the same thing as me and ImaLamer |
| 21:28.27 | ImaLamer | i know gnome 3 was trying to be more like OSX but that's gone too far |
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| 21:28.33 | nvz | yeah really |
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| 21:29.17 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.29 | OptimusCrimeONE | How should i choose partition sizes in install? |
| 21:29.32 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: Search the gdm package for image files, brows them and see if that's one of them. |
| 21:29.52 | jhutchins_wk | browse even. |
| 21:29.55 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: I should've looked at ps and crap before I restarted gdm3 |
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| 21:30.02 | nvz | I checked dmesg and message log |
| 21:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: Unless you know a reason not to, I would use a single partition + swap. |
| 21:30.26 | moof2 | OptimusCrimeONE do you want a throwaway practice install, or more permanent? do you want a server arrangement (or use one for desktop) or desktop? |
| 21:30.33 | nvz | Idk much about gdm3 when it replaced the old gdm I went to lightdm on my machines |
| 21:30.54 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: The current partitioning scheme is a holdover from when drives were the size of washing machines and does not optimize for normal users. |
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| 21:31.14 | nvz | idk I'll be back I guess, gonna restart the machine see if I can reproduce the error. |
| 21:31.51 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: jhutchins_wk has wisdom in his point - if the drive is going to partition 1 then partition 4 then partition 2 then... every few accesses you will see a degradation in performance |
| 21:32.08 | johnshaft | Where are the SSL libraries installed by default in wheezy i386? |
| 21:32.12 | ImaLamer | you are increasing seek times - unless one of those partitions is on another disk |
| 21:32.42 | moof2 | johnshaft, probably in /usr/lib somewhere |
| 21:33.03 | OptimusCrimeONE | jhutchins_wk:and swap was like 2xmemory? |
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| 21:33.22 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: : desktop |
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| 21:34.05 | OptimusCrimeONE | im doing this for the firs time |
| 21:34.07 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: swap will need a different partition because of the filesystem type (unless you build a swap file instead) |
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| 21:34.28 | moof2 | OptimusCrimeONE, in my opinion the biggest reason supporting having separate partitions is to protect / from filling |
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| 21:34.41 | moof2 | and that;s not going away anytime soon |
| 21:34.51 | rindolf | Hi all. I'm using Debian Testing on a Core i3 machine with integrated Intel graphics and the screen loads only the "vesa" driver and I have a resolution of 1280x1024 instead of 1920x1024. What should I do? |
| 21:36.25 | OptimusCrimeONE | ImaLamer: yes swap needs own partition, but I meant the size of a swap partition = 2*ram? |
| 21:36.34 | moof2 | rindolf, you should describe the situation you do want; I take it you've described what you don't want? |
| 21:36.43 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: generally that was the rule, how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:37.08 | OptimusCrimeONE | ImaLamer: 4 I think :) |
| 21:37.31 | rindolf | moof2: I want the intel driver to run and be detected and a resolution of 1920*1024. |
| 21:38.05 | OptimusCrimeONE | I'm about to intall this on same drive where win lies |
| 21:38.23 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: I think you could do 1.5 x RAM |
| 21:38.26 | OptimusCrimeONE | ImaLamer: 4Gbs... |
| 21:38.35 | zaltekk | 1920x1024? |
| 21:38.45 | OptimusCrimeONE | ImaLamer: ok, thanks |
| 21:38.49 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: and that might be overkill sometimes |
| 21:39.13 | zaltekk | note that you need at least as much swap as ram to hibernate(suspend to disk) |
| 21:39.15 | ImaLamer | OptimusCrimeONE: except - will you likely use hibernation |
| 21:39.41 | OptimusCrimeONE | hibernation as in what? |
| 21:39.46 | zaltekk | suspend to disk |
| 21:40.06 | ImaLamer | if it's a desktop, don't use it |
| 21:40.09 | OptimusCrimeONE | aahh, sorry, ok |
| 21:40.31 | moof2 | hibernation halts your machine and saves everything you're doing in swqp (which means, swap needs to be greater than mem size) |
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| 21:41.06 | OptimusCrimeONE | ok |
| 21:41.17 | moof2 | the reason someone might want to do that is to have the machine start quicker and not have to initialize everything |
| 21:41.38 | OptimusCrimeONE | what is good size for Debian then? |
| 21:41.42 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: Swap 2x memory up to about 2G. If you have more than 2G memory and you're swapping you need to fix something. |
| 21:41.50 | ImaLamer | I'd say best for sloooow machines or laptops which you may want to powerdown quickly to save battery |
| 21:41.51 | zaltekk | or for when you are moving a laptop and want to eliminate the memory drain of suspend to ram |
| 21:41.57 | zaltekk | s/memory brain/power brain/ |
| 21:42.04 | zaltekk | omg can't type |
| 21:42.08 | zaltekk | **power drain |
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| 21:42.47 | moof2 | I need my memory brain back in time for valentine's day! |
| 21:42.58 | zaltekk | jhutchins_wk: many workloads make that statement false |
| 21:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | zaltekk: There are many bad ways to configure and use a system. |
| 21:43.36 | zaltekk | there are many use cases that require more than 4gb of ram |
| 21:43.56 | jhutchins_wk | You really don't want to manage more than 4G of disk swap, your system will become unusable. |
| 21:43.57 | zaltekk | high resolution photo and video editing, for example |
| 21:44.19 | zaltekk | jhutchins_wk: depends on what is getting swapped, but generally, yes, you should invest in more ram at that point |
| 21:44.28 | jhutchins_wk | zaltekk: When you neeed hardware, fake hardwarea won't cut it. |
| 21:44.44 | OptimusCrimeONE | So you guys think mbr, swap, system are all partitions i need? |
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| 21:45.08 | zaltekk | but saying that you have a problem because you have >2GB of RAM and something gets swapped is a bit of an exaggeration |
| 21:45.10 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: mbr is not a partition. |
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| 21:45.24 | moof2 | there's one mbr on each disk... it's the very first 512 bytes on the disk |
| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_wk | zaltekk: THat's not what I meant. |
| 21:45.38 | OptimusCrimeONE | jhutchins_wk: you're right, Im tired |
| 21:45.42 | OptimusCrimeONE | :) |
| 21:45.49 | zaltekk | jhutchins_wk: ah. well, thats what i got from reading it |
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| 21:46.11 | IBLUES76 | I created a disk in Virtual Box (a second disk) for a debian machine that I'm running. (debian 7) How do I see if the OS is recognizing the device and how do I mounted and format . I did df -h but I don't see it . |
| 21:46.20 | moof2 | OptimusCrimeONE, how ya doin? undertanding this stuff? |
| 21:46.26 | jhutchins_wk | zaltekk: I was saying that if you have more than 2G of ram on a normal system and are swapping regularly you need to change something. |
| 21:46.39 | zaltekk | IBLUES76: fdisk -l |
| 21:47.04 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: at least most of it |
| 21:47.25 | moof2 | and feeling pretty confident in knowing what you want? |
| 21:47.32 | jhutchins_wk | IBLUES76: fdisk, create partition, mkfs to format, then mount. |
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| 21:47.49 | OptimusCrimeONE | Im not quite sure how much i need space |
| 21:47.54 | moof2 | there have been quite a few things thrown at you, just want to make sure |
| 21:48.03 | OptimusCrimeONE | Im doing software development |
| 21:48.11 | moof2 | in what languages? |
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| 21:48.30 | IBLUES76 | zaltekk: thanks... I did fdisk -l but is not there... it is probably something with vbox |
| 21:48.35 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: A typical Debian install is about 5-6G (I think). 10G is plenty for the OS itself. From there it depends on what you're going to do with the system. |
| 21:48.37 | OptimusCrimeONE | c++, python, sometimes php, java |
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| 21:49.17 | moof2 | so you may need additional space for /home |
| 21:49.29 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: The default partitioning in the installer is based on a physically secure multi-user system with many non-privileged users; something like a University server. |
| 21:49.32 | OptimusCrimeONE | jhutchins_wk: and thats only for the OS? |
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| 21:50.02 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: Right, OS is <10G. |
| 21:50.07 | moof2 | are you planning to separate partitions? |
| 21:50.14 | OptimusCrimeONE | jhutchins_wk: I think I won't use defaults on this |
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| 21:51.05 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: Once you get a feel for what you use where, you can make better decisions about what needs to be hard-separated from other things. |
| 21:51.08 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: well OS and tools/music... |
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| 21:51.40 | moof2 | if you're going to separate, lvm is a good way to go. if you're not, just make / as big as the drive is (minus whatever you decide for swap) |
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| 21:52.52 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: I have one problem. I dont have MUCH space on any disk left |
| 21:53.06 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: lvm? |
| 21:53.20 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: Use what you have to start, expand when you can. Keep backups. |
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| 21:54.28 | moof2 | I'd say, your considerations are, do you wish to protect / from filling? do you want to keep /home on a separate volume, making it easier to save in case of some disaster (keep backups of it, /home seems to be your largest area of concern for backup purposes) |
| 21:55.02 | Rackmount | It's not a big deal really, but did anyone else have difficulty adding Wheezy DVD no. 2 to the repository list? Seems that the volume name is not recognized by synaptic even though it was added there. |
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| 21:55.37 | moof2 | if you dn't have much space to install debian, let this be your opportunity to give it a test drive |
| 21:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | Rackmount: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, use existing entry as an example. |
| 21:56.18 | moof2 | and, an additional drive is in your future if you would like to expand |
| 21:56.34 | Rackmount | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I did. Just wondered if it was a known bug, or something stupid that I had done. |
| 21:56.59 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: ok, I'll need that anyway som near future |
| 21:57.17 | OptimusCrimeONE | separate home sounds good |
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| 21:57.55 | moof2 | kick the tires, see if you can build all your projects and run them in their current state... |
| 21:58.07 | jhutchins_wk | OptimusCrimeONE: The problem with a seperate home is that you might choose a music manager that stores metadata in /var - and uses up all the space while there's still plenty in /home. |
| 21:58.47 | zaltekk | lvm is very nice |
| 21:58.47 | OptimusCrimeONE | how do i separate particularly /home |
| 21:58.51 | OptimusCrimeONE | ? |
| 21:58.57 | OptimusCrimeONE | lvm? |
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| 21:59.36 | moof2 | gotta go... give him a intro to lvm link to see if he wants to go there |
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| 22:00.03 | moof2 | you very devinitely want to play around before moving your source there |
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| 22:02.06 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: sure |
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| 22:03.09 | zerick | Anybody here has done clustering over Debian ? |
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| 22:11.47 | rumpler | Hey guys, |
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| 22:31.11 | wjtaylor | does anyone use apcupsd? |
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| 22:37.20 | abrotman | !polls |
| 22:37.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 22:38.03 | nfm | A militant badger once bit my sister. |
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| 22:41.01 | ImaLamer | in a disaster where even backups are dead and gone - would using LVM have a harder time at rescue than traditional block device partitions? |
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| 22:42.14 | ImaLamer | (right now I know of tools to use to rescue data from a bad/failing disk... would i simply find other tools?) |
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| 22:49.58 | mmnicolas | ImaLamer: I don't think it would affect data carving tools like foremost and such |
| 22:50.20 | mmnicolas | unless it's an encrypted lvm |
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| 22:51.45 | ImaLamer | ImaLamer: i'm only familiar with some terms / ideas of LVM but never installed onto it, used it directly |
| 22:52.22 | ImaLamer | used machines with it and have access to servers that do, but on those servers i could care less about the hardware |
| 22:52.53 | ImaLamer | or rather, if it dies due to the data management, i received it before they did |
| 22:55.45 | ImaLamer | i have a drive sitting right behind me that is going in an old machines, i'll have to fire it up with it i guess |
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| 22:56.27 | ImaLamer | on that machine there is enough data that i really don't care enough about that my backup system is... if i can recovery it, good, if not, oh well |
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| 22:59.53 | wjtaylor | Does apcupsd shutdown the system w/o requiring a password? If I'm not around for the power outage, will it still shutdown gracefully? |
| 23:01.37 | ImaLamer | wjtaylor: you can likely help change this policy too |
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| 23:02.14 | wjtaylor | what? |
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| 23:02.40 | dekiss_ | find -name is for searching folder or just files? |
| 23:02.47 | ImaLamer | about shutting down without a password |
| 23:03.17 | ImaLamer | wjtaylor: the upstream manual says it runs with privledges |
| 23:03.20 | wjtaylor | ImaLamer: I like the policy, just not for apcupsd. Can it be changed on a user basis? |
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| 23:04.13 | dekiss_ | nevermind sorry bothering with such questions |
| 23:04.56 | wjtaylor | ok. |
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| 23:05.21 | ImaLamer | wjtaylor: can you test the UPS to see it's effect? |
| 23:06.06 | wjtaylor | I can't drop the box right now, otherwise yes. |
| 23:06.16 | ImaLamer | ideally i think (not knowing that package) you'd want to give that user or assign that user to a group that *can* shutdown the machine |
| 23:06.34 | ImaLamer | service, not package |
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| 23:07.28 | ImaLamer | i would be surprised if this wasn't already the case |
| 23:07.33 | wjtaylor | I'm sure if it didn't work that way others would complain about it. Othewise it's of no real use. The website said the debian port is solid. So I'm trusting in those facts. |
| 23:07.42 | vadimkolchev | Is 15th confirmed to be the release of 7.1? |
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| 23:08.49 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: does it really matter? |
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| 23:09.42 | Zeranoe | Is there any way to test a debian machine to see if it is using all 100% of the CPU? I'm running a virtual machine with virtualbox and I have it allowed to run on all 8 cores, but make -j 8 only uses roughly 50% |
| 23:09.48 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, wouldn't ask if it didn't for me:-) just curious |
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| 23:10.26 | vadimkolchev | curious |
| 23:10.55 | elkng | was emacs influenced by zen religion somehow ? |
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| 23:12.38 | ImaLamer | i just saw some sad article with top distros of 2013 with no Wheezy |
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| 23:13.26 | feniix | any idea why pycurl comes linked agains gnutls by default and there is no pycurl-openssl option? |
| 23:13.52 | feniix | I am behind a very unfriendly proxy/interceptor and it is making my life very miserable |
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| 23:16.05 | ImaLamer | why? licenses |
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| 23:20.40 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: that's the date they've given, unless something happens, shuld be then |
| 23:20.56 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: in reality, unless one of those bugs affects you, won't make a difference |
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| 23:24.10 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, none that I wasn't able to cope with the help of google or great guys from this irc, including you:-) but still it's a first time for me to use debian seriously and I love it so far. However, sometimes I can be too enthusiastic about it, sorry if I ask some unnecessary questions :-) |
| 23:26.18 | petn-randall | Zeranoe: cpuburn :) |
| 23:27.01 | petn-randall | Zeranoe: if 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' shows you 8 cpus, then they're usable by the VM. |
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| 23:28.24 | petn-randall | vadimkolchev: The point releases are identical earlier releases after an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'. Unless there are bugs that stop you from installing, point releases are seldomly a reason for excitement ... ;) |
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| 23:30.39 | vadimkolchev | petn-randall, well, just was trying to explain that for me as a newcomer everything now is a reason for excitement, whatever stupid it may seem from the side.:-) but thanks anyway for clarification :-) |
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| 23:31.54 | petn-randall | vadimkolchev: I see! You'll find lots of more exciting things within Debian then! |
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| 23:39.59 | petn-randall | ... whiskey sampling at the Debian booths, for example. |
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| 23:40.40 | ImaLamer | if i installed from source and then try a prepacked kernel am i going to break those packages? |
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| 23:41.52 | petn-randall | ImaLamer: "it depends". |
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| 23:51.33 | ImaLamer | virtualbox for windows, use the netinstall cd? |
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| 23:53.32 | Lars_G_ | Hello all. |
| 23:54.06 | Lars_G_ | I am a wheezy testing to wheezy stable installer. I have a pretty strange behaviour, and I hope you can help me with it, but I have little information so far to debug with: |
| 23:54.35 | histo | ImaLamer: you can |
| 23:54.56 | ImaLamer | i think i'll boot the CD over the network just to make everyone else in the house mad |
| 23:55.02 | Lars_G_ | After a screensaver take (it seems to happen only after), the mouse buttons become "unresponsive". that is, to have a left click, or right click have an effect, it seems the mouse has to be moving (even slightly) while I click. |
| 23:55.08 | Lars_G_ | Otherwise, the click has no effect. |
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| 23:55.27 | ImaLamer | USB? |
| 23:55.32 | Lars_G_ | Unplugging and replugging the mouse has no effect on this... is there maybe something in xinput, or gnome, I could check? |
| 23:55.41 | Lars_G_ | ImaLamer: For me? Yes, usb (microsoft) mouse |
| 23:56.06 | ImaLamer | I have a similar issue with a laptop, it seems when it sleeps it is turning off the mouse |
| 23:56.29 | Lars_G_ | ImaLamer: But you can't get it to work at all? mine works, and clicks work if I'm moving while I click |
| 23:56.34 | ImaLamer | the trackpad and keyboard will wake the machine giving me the mouse back |
| 23:56.51 | ImaLamer | only while moving? |
| 23:56.55 | Lars_G_ | yes |
| 23:58.01 | ImaLamer | mine doesn't move |
| 23:58.34 | Lars_G_ | yeah your trouble sounds like an incomplete/wrong suspend restar usb bus/module cycle |
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