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| 00:13.54 | jordilopezamat | Hello, dewbie here...:-D |
| 00:14.13 | jordilopezamat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:17.34 | jordilopezamat | ... cause after rebooting, it seems that network-manager is still leading my network management... ¿how can i make Wicd prevail over network-manager ? As i already said... ¿should this be achieved by uninstalling network-manager, thus leaving Wicd 'alone ' ? thanks again |
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| 00:20.40 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: why do you want wicd instead of n-m? |
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| 00:22.13 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, because of the post-connection and pre-connection scripts feature in Wicd ... |
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| 00:22.34 | jordilopezamat | i would like to use them... |
| 00:22.58 | vadimkolchev | jordilopezamat, sorry to come in with the question, does networkmanager have such features as preconnection or post-connection scripts? |
| 00:23.24 | jordilopezamat | ... as far as i know, no ... |
| 00:23.35 | vadimkolchev | jordilopezamat, sad |
| 00:24.35 | nfm | I have Wicd without Network Manager (I run Fluxbox), so I don't think uninstalling NM will kill anything |
| 00:24.37 | jordilopezamat | ( FYI : i would like to use the scripting capability for adjusting wireless card power consumption in a given SSID... ) |
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| 00:25.07 | jordilopezamat | thanks for sharing your experience nfm |
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| 00:26.10 | jordilopezamat | .. then mi guess is that, it should be fine uninstalling NM and adding Wicd on the autostart apps list ¿? |
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| 00:26.38 | nfm | Yes, I think it should be no problem at all. |
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| 00:28.07 | themill | jordilopezamat: network-manager also has pre-up/post-up etc scripts -- /etc/network/if-*.d/ |
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| 00:29.11 | jordilopezamat | thanks nm & thanks themill for the info ... The fact is that i was just willing to switch to Wicd ... |
| 00:29.15 | vadimkolchev | themill, oh, thanks a lot, where can I find out about writing those scripts? need to add one specific clause but not sure how, know only the command that has to be executed |
| 00:29.43 | themill | vadimkolchev: they are the same scripts as used by ifupdown -- interfaces(5) documents them |
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| 00:30.14 | vadimkolchev | themill, never done it, have to look into it |
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| 00:33.30 | vadimkolchev | themill, pre-up and post-up commands are part of some package? don't have them. Or do I have just to edit the files? |
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| 00:53.18 | SARC^ | I have a Dell R410 with Matrox G200ew card. Gnome3 doesn't recognize the card and fails to load. I need help finding and installing the correct driver. |
| 00:54.57 | gnarface | SARC^: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-mga |
| 00:55.12 | gnarface | SARC^: (as root) |
| 00:55.13 | wolfmitchell | How would I install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386? when I do sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386, apt-get shows that it has no installation canidate... I need it to play steam games... |
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| 00:56.27 | gnarface | wolfmitchell: on the dpkg manpage do a string search for 'architecture' to see the options for adding alternate architecures (i'm assuming you're on amd64 right?) |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: did you enable i386 as an architecture yet? |
| 00:57.01 | wolfmitchell | gnarface, I added i386 already as an architecture |
| 00:57.07 | wolfmitchell | and I'm on amd64 |
| 00:57.37 | SARC^ | gnarface: "xserver-xorg-video-mga" is already the newest version... |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: and did yuou apt-get update after dding it ? |
| 00:57.52 | gnarface | SARC^: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 00:58.26 | SARC^ | gnarface: No I don't. |
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| 00:59.48 | abrotman | SARC^: did you try another window manager? |
| 00:59.48 | shell` | with iptables, im trying to block the entire range 178.17.160.0/20 from connecting to my machine on port 80.. but on this same range i want to allow 178.17.166.33 to connect to me on port 80.. so i have these 2 lines: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -s 178.17.166.33 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -s 178.17.160.0/20 -j DROP -- but yet 178.17.166.33 still cant connect on port |
| 00:59.48 | shell` | 80.. ? I have ACCEPT first, then DROP after.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:59.59 | wolfmitchell | aboman, yeah |
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| 01:00.04 | abrotman | shell`: ask #netfilter |
| 01:00.05 | Quix0r | moof2: still up? |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: abrot<tab>, thank you |
| 01:00.26 | gnarface | SARC^: you may need one, to specify the driver, i guess. after it crashes look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it might tell you exactly what is wrong |
| 01:00.42 | wolfmitchell | aboman, heh, forgot about tab >.< |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: again ... |
| 01:00.50 | Quix0r | moof2: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678809#c7 <-- fix for missing cxflann.h |
| 01:00.54 | wolfmitchell | I used tab |
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| 01:01.05 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: you still didn't spell my name correctly |
| 01:01.09 | wolfmitchell | abr<tab> |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:02.06 | hotwings | anyone doing efi booting to debian by chance? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | !polls |
| 01:02.27 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 01:02.37 | abrotman | waves at sussudio |
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| 01:03.27 | wolfmitchell | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/WuWYqXXL |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: using LMDE ? |
| 01:04.16 | wolfmitchell | abrotman, i like mate :D |
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| 01:04.30 | wolfmitchell | already have it customised to my liking |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: doesn't answer the question |
| 01:04.53 | wolfmitchell | I'm not using lmde |
| 01:05.14 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | wolfmitchell: if you're using LMDE, that could mess up your box .. good luck |
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| 01:06.19 | chovy | howdy |
| 01:06.42 | vadimkolchev | lol, made my first ever script that I understood fully how it should be working :) |
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| 01:10.37 | chovy | so is debian getting a new version now? |
| 01:10.46 | chovy | I just got an email. but it was unclear to me. |
| 01:10.59 | dvs | chovy: one was released last month |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | chovy: it's just an upgrade of sorts |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | !point releases |
| 01:11.03 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. There are no point releases for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" yet. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <6.0.7>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases |
| 01:11.03 | vadimkolchev | chovy, minor one, said to be released on 15th |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | ugh, guess we have to update that now |
| 01:11.50 | chovy | i'm still on squeeze, is that the latest stable? |
| 01:12.17 | vadimkolchev | chovy, no, you have to update to wheezy |
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| 01:12.27 | abrotman | chovy: /topic |
| 01:12.33 | chovy | when did wheezy become the stable? |
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| 01:12.38 | abrotman | chovy: /topic |
| 01:12.43 | vadimkolchev | chovy, beginning of may |
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| 01:14.20 | chovy | is there a page that explains how to u pgrade to wheeze on a remote server? |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | !tell chovy about squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:14.35 | chovy | thanks |
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| 01:17.01 | hotwings | abrotman - my question was not a poll. neither was it a survey or tally |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | it was a poll |
| 01:17.28 | themill | hotwings: just ask your real question then |
| 01:17.52 | hotwings | so what youre really saying abrotman, is that you dont know what a poll is. *shrug* |
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| 01:18.10 | abrotman | hotwings: still waiting for you to ask a real question .. you know, not a poll |
| 01:18.15 | wjtaylor | vbox is telling me it can't open my audio (pulse). How do I troubleshoot this? |
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| 01:18.50 | vadimkolchev | themill, thx for advising on pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces . I managed to do what I needed. |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | wjtaylor: does any sound work? |
| 01:19.05 | themill | vadimkolchev: excellent! |
| 01:19.24 | wjtaylor | yeah. I'm listening to Steely Dan on my host now. |
| 01:19.28 | wjtaylor | Banshee |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | wjtaylor: not hte host, on the VM |
| 01:19.35 | vadimkolchev | themill, I was able to add a path of a script there. worked great |
| 01:19.58 | wjtaylor | no the vm (xp) gives an error in device manager saying it can't be opened. |
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| 01:21.11 | inhumantsar | does anyone know how to squelch these suhosin errors? |
| 01:21.17 | inhumantsar | "script tried to disable memory_limit by setting it to a negative value -1 bytes" |
| 01:21.29 | inhumantsar | the blasted cms my client's using is closed source |
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| 01:22.02 | inhumantsar | so i can't change it's attempt to change memory_limit and suhosin won't take -1 as an acceptable value |
| 01:23.05 | hotwings | sure themill, i can be more specific. how do you install debian testing to a bootable uefi usb 3.0 flash drive? preferably using gpt partitions, and 64bit. |
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| 01:23.55 | themill | hotwings: don't ask me, ask the channel. |
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| 01:24.35 | hotwings | sure, i have copy & paste capability. |
| 01:24.35 | hotwings | how do you install debian testing to a bootable uefi usb 3.0 flash drive? preferably using gpt partitions, and 64bit. |
| 01:25.23 | zykotick9 | hotwings: my input (not worth too much) would be to install stable 64bit onto you UEFI, then once that's successful, transition it to testing/jessie |
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| 01:26.32 | hotwings | debian stable doesnt support gpt afaik, and it doesnt have grub2-efi |
| 01:26.59 | zykotick9 | hotwings: wheezy support uefi and gpt, just NOT secure boot. |
| 01:27.06 | wjtaylor | Is pulse installed by default in squeeze? |
| 01:27.10 | Noturno99 | hey guys, have you had problem to remove these packages: libgtk2.0-cil libglib2.0-cil ? |
| 01:27.21 | themill | wjtaylor: if you select gnome it is |
| 01:27.25 | zykotick9 | wjtaylor: if you install gnome, then yes. |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | Noturno99: pastebin please |
| 01:27.36 | Noturno99 | I cannot remove then and I've got this error: E: File does not exist: /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.6.glib-sharp.installcligac |
| 01:27.36 | Noturno99 | dpkg: error processing libglib2.0-cil (--remove): |
| 01:27.36 | Noturno99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.36 | Noturno99 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:27.36 | Noturno99 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.36 | dpkg | noturno99: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:27.40 | wjtaylor | Ok. I must have uninstalled it at some point.. |
| 01:28.06 | wjtaylor | If I install it back, will it mess up my sound? |
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| 01:28.21 | abrotman | Noturno99: pastebin, not channel |
| 01:28.33 | Noturno99 | okay: http://pastebin.com/uPcbh7EW |
| 01:28.47 | Noturno99 | I've got this error |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | it tells you the problem |
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| 01:29.12 | hotwings | zykotick9 - i used the weekly debian testing snapshot the other day to install a different box and saw no reference to efi anywhere |
| 01:29.14 | zykotick9 | Noturno99: if you want more people to see your paste, consider reading "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" |
| 01:29.43 | zykotick9 | hotwings: if you're using the "testing" installer, i have no idea - never used it. good luck. |
| 01:30.03 | Noturno99 | I'm using debian unstable |
| 01:30.07 | sysroot | how can i find out what type of connection my server has. its not a home server, and before i purchased it, i didnt check, but now that i did, it doesnt say |
| 01:30.21 | Noturno99 | I tried many thing and I cannot remove it |
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| 01:30.33 | abrotman | Noturno99: the error is right there, if oyu're running unstable, this hsould be easy to fix |
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| 01:31.02 | abrotman | sysroot: call your hosting company |
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| 01:32.05 | Noturno99 | abrotman I have only dependencies problems and I can't fix it |
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| 01:32.37 | abrotman | Noturno99: the problem is right in the error log you pasted .. |
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| 01:33.28 | Noturno99 | I see there is no file, but how can I fix it? |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | how do you normally create a file? |
| 01:34.33 | Noturno99 | I need just to create and that's it? |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:35.01 | Noturno99 | oka |
| 01:35.02 | Noturno99 | okay |
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| 01:41.12 | Noturno99 | okay, I create the file and the apt-get asks for the files again... |
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| 01:45.58 | abrotman | Noturno99: probably a different file if you read more closely |
| 01:48.12 | themill | it may also be that the file needs content. I'm curious as to where these files come from though |
| 01:48.49 | Noturno99 | I created the files it is asking for... |
| 01:49.32 | Noturno99 | and I cannot remove libmono as well |
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| 01:52.03 | shadows | I have updated packaging to contribute, and the package maintainer does not respond to my inquiry ; How do I make this happen in Debian repos? |
| 01:53.06 | themill | shadows: which package? |
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| 01:54.12 | shadows | themill: libcdio upstream is at 0.90 which splits off "libcdio-paranoia" into its own distribution |
| 01:55.27 | shadows | themill: so, it would be libcdio and then a new package libcdio-paranoia |
| 01:58.40 | themill | shadows: You could attach your updated packaging to your bug report as a first step so that the packaging is there for others to look at and to help the maintainer along. Would you be interested in maintaining this package in debian in the long run? |
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| 02:00.26 | shadows | themill: I could do that |
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| 02:01.19 | shadows | themill: what overhead is there to maintain a package? |
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| 02:01.41 | themill | shadows: if, after attaching the updated packaging to the bug, the maintainer isn't responsive for another couple of weeks, ask if someone on the debian-mentors mailing list would be willing to sponsor your upload of these packages. |
| 02:01.42 | shadows | i.e. in Gentoo it was a 3 month long mentoring process, where I maintained some pro audio stuff |
| 02:01.49 | shadows | ah okay |
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| 02:03.03 | themill | shadows: you'll likely have some back and forth for polishing your packaging before it gets uploaded. You'll also need to convince people that it's important to update these libraries now rather than leave the current maintainer to do it in his own time. (Also, maintaining library packages is harder than maintaining applications) |
| 02:03.04 | wjtaylor | Just lost my sound. I don't know how. I was playing music in Banshee, then I made a change to my vbox *guest*. Now I lost my sound on my HOST.. WTF? |
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| 02:03.20 | shadows | themill: I was wondering, how do we test package updates that break other packages? Some header file locations may have changed |
| 02:05.00 | themill | shadows: ouch. You'll need to check if every package that build-depends on that package still works with the updated package and bugs will need to be filed (preferably with patches) for those that need work. build-rdeps from devscripts is a good way of finding all those packages |
| 02:05.28 | shadows | good info thank you |
| 02:05.35 | elkingrey | I had remote desktop viewer working just fine the other day with another computer in my LAN, but then it quit on me suddenly and every time I try to reconnect it gives me an error. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 02:05.37 | themill | (there are 13 build-rdeps for the -dev package) |
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| 02:10.33 | themill | shadows: I assume you'll also be needing to bump the soname on the library. There's a library packaging guide (which does have a few mistakes in it as well, but it's a good start) and you should look at how other "transitions" are handled on the debian-release mailing list. As I said, packaging libraries is a lot more work because other maintainers are directly reliant on your packages |
| 02:10.54 | themill | Don't let this put you off completely though... it's a fun learning experience, really :) |
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| 02:13.00 | Noturno99 | I've got it. |
| 02:13.06 | Noturno99 | Problem fixed |
| 02:13.08 | Noturno99 | thanks guys |
| 02:14.01 | themill | dpkg, congratulate Noturno99 |
| 02:14.01 | dpkg | Good show Noturno99, you did it! |
| 02:14.16 | elkng | Noturno99: "Bruno Sampaio Pinho da Silva", is that your real name ? |
| 02:14.28 | elkng | are you a canadian ? |
| 02:14.30 | themill | Noturno99: what did you need to do? (for our future reference if we see this again) |
| 02:14.35 | wjtaylor | I installed pulse, now I lost my sound... how do I troubleshoot this? |
| 02:16.06 | Noturno99 | Yes, it is my real name. I'm Brazilian |
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| 02:17.30 | Noturno99 | I had to run again apt-get update, after that, apt-get -f install |
| 02:18.14 | Noturno99 | I could not remove or install these packages, they are giving a loop situation... |
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| 02:19.19 | Noturno99 | and this problem was blocking the command dist-upgrade |
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| 02:22.11 | shadows | themill: do you by chance have experience with autotools and C programming? libcdio currently makes a copy of its config.h and installs that; but I'm concerned this may be a problem |
| 02:22.31 | themill | dpkg: tell shadows about mentors |
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| 02:22.58 | shadows | themill: thanks for your time :) |
| 02:22.59 | themill | shadows: you'll get better packaging help over in the mentors channel -- my autofoo is sufficiently rusty... |
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| 02:32.10 | wjtaylor | I reinstalled pulse and lost my sound. |
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| 02:37.23 | DreamPCs | Hey guys, I think I might have an interesting one for you. |
| 02:39.02 | DreamPCs | Alright, so my current setup is a desktop running Debian Wheezy (the computer I'm on now). My router is not near this machine and I don't have a wireless NIC so I'm repurposing an older netbook, running Fuduntu, just to share the internet for my desktop. |
| 02:39.22 | DreamPCs | The netbook receives the wireless connection and shares it via a cable to this desktop. |
| 02:39.55 | DreamPCs | And, for the record the screen is cracked on the netbook so the display is useless. I have it hooked up to an external monitor (the same display for the desktop) |
| 02:40.03 | DreamPCs | Anyway, here's the question. |
| 02:40.23 | ImaLamer | (killall gdm) |
| 02:40.31 | tharkun | lol |
| 02:40.47 | DreamPCs | The netbook has a built in webcam, is it possible to use that webcam on the desktop as if it were a native webcam? |
| 02:41.11 | DreamPCs | i.e. cheese and other standard apps. |
| 02:41.12 | CaptainK | throw it all away! |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:41.23 | DreamPCs | lol I rather not. I finally got the thing to run stable. |
| 02:41.32 | CaptainK | Buy a brand new HP Laptop with UEFI! |
| 02:41.35 | ImaLamer | dont' toss it |
| 02:41.43 | tharkun | DreamPCs: nope since it is not a native webcam, But you can redirect the output of the notebook to your pc usins something like vlc or similar |
| 02:41.50 | DreamPCs | I'm afraid to touch the installation of Fuduntu for fear of screwing up the internet sharing. |
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| 02:42.27 | DreamPCs | Well, as far as upgrading the OS and what-not. |
| 02:42.58 | DreamPCs | Thanks tharkun, I may look into that. |
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| 02:49.29 | transfinite | DreamPCs: check out v4l2loopback; it lets you treat any video source (like mplayer output) as a video input device. So you can pipe your remote video into it. |
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| 02:53.48 | Noturno99 | hey guys, do you know the best way to get the latest gnome from experimental? |
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| 02:54.08 | Noturno99 | now I'm running the 3.4 |
| 02:54.23 | dvs | !iyhtays Noturno99 |
| 02:54.23 | dpkg | Noturno99: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 02:57.26 | Noturno99 | hahahaha |
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| 02:57.50 | Noturno99 | But I wanna try the latest version, I had it before and I'm just asking to be safe |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | you should know how if you're running unstable |
| 02:59.33 | Noturno99 | okay. I'll see here. Thanks anyway |
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| 03:17.59 | Noturno99 | There is no distro like Debian! |
| 03:18.02 | Noturno99 | Thanks, guys! |
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| 03:22.38 | DreamPCs | Thanks transfinite I'll check that out. |
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| 03:26.44 | jwilliams_ | i have wireless intel 6205. i've installed microcode iwlwifi-6000g2a-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz |
| 03:26.58 | jwilliams_ | now how should i configure so that my wireless can access to the internet? |
| 03:27.13 | jwilliams_ | at the moment i only have base system with amd64 ver |
| 03:27.15 | jwilliams_ | version |
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| 03:29.41 | ImaLamer | jwilliams_: you likely need to move onto testing it with a config tool like iwconfig, wicd(-curses) or another |
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| 03:30.41 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello guys ! |
| 03:31.09 | jwilliams_ | does netinstall cd contains those packages? |
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| 03:36.33 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hy guys anyone here have some experience with 3g modem and can give some help, my olivetti 3g modem is not detected on wheezy ? any tip are greatly welcome |
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| 03:39.57 | chz|bacon | so abrotman, after a few hours of mucking about, i finally solved my plymouth issue. seems the only way to make it work properly is to use the open source drivers. |
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| 03:40.31 | chz|bacon | which reminds me of when i had ubuntu 12.04 on this laptop before, and had plymouth issues after installing the non free driver. |
| 03:42.27 | jwilliams_ | iwlist scan can find my ap now. in interfaces, what key word (wireless-key?) should be used for encryption wpa2 personal |
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| 03:47.15 | sambagirl | does gnome 3.8 and the extensions attributes work with d7/ |
| 03:47.16 | sambagirl | ? |
| 03:49.16 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: it would probably be on your router supplied by your ISP |
| 03:49.21 | chz|bacon | usually on a little sticker |
| 03:49.34 | chz|bacon | sambagirl: not sure still on 3.4 here |
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| 03:50.00 | sambagirl | ok |
| 03:50.07 | chz|bacon | sadly that little sticker isn't a little unicorn sticker, it's just a regular sticker. :/ |
| 03:50.13 | sambagirl | i'll run it in vm and see what i get |
| 03:50.37 | chz|bacon | rite o, drop a line on your findings |
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| 03:52.40 | sambagirl | is there youtube video for debian 7? |
| 03:53.29 | jwilliams_ | chz|bacon: isn't that something like wireless-essid or wpa-psk? |
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| 03:55.09 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: yeah, can you explain to me exactly what you're trying to do? |
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| 03:55.40 | chz|bacon | just connect to a wpa encrypted network? do you have a desktop enviroment? |
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| 03:56.17 | jwilliams_ | i install debian amd64 to my new laptop which has intel 6205 wireless. |
| 03:56.36 | jwilliams_ | but debian amd64 doesn't contain related firmware |
| 03:56.53 | jwilliams_ | so only base system is installed in laptop at the moment. |
| 03:57.19 | chz|bacon | ok do you have a ethernet cable connected to give that machine access? |
| 03:57.47 | chz|bacon | btw if i'm treating you like a noob, it's cause i don't know your level of knowledge. |
| 03:57.55 | jwilliams_ | then i go to website downloading 6205 firmware and install it to /lib/firmware, which looks working by lsmod | grep iwlwifi (after modprobe -r iwlwifi, and modprobe iwlwifi) |
| 03:58.23 | jwilliams_ | so now i want to access to the internet by editing interfaces file in /etc/network. |
| 03:58.24 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: what do you get when you run sudo ifconfig -a |
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| 03:59.13 | jwilliams_ | lo and wlan0 with wlan0 setting to "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST" |
| 04:00.00 | chz|bacon | ok so wlan0 is your wireless interface |
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| 04:00.06 | jwilliams_ | yes. |
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| 04:02.55 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: which window manager are you using? |
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| 04:04.39 | jwilliams_ | at the moment only console is available. so that's why it's a bit difficult for me to get it work, for i can't remember all those key words, etc. |
| 04:05.24 | chz|bacon | np i can get you setup real quick with a window manager and graphical network manager |
| 04:05.38 | chz|bacon | that is, unless you want to run a console only system |
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| 04:05.54 | chz|bacon | what kind of laptop is it? what type of specs? |
| 04:05.57 | ImaLamer | wicd-curses |
| 04:06.23 | chz|bacon | or that |
| 04:06.47 | ImaLamer | later he can add the gtk component |
| 04:07.06 | chz|bacon | though if he's going to install a wm/de he should do it over his wired connection :P |
| 04:07.14 | ImaLamer | right |
| 04:07.22 | chz|bacon | throws a sock at ImaLamer |
| 04:07.24 | chz|bacon | clean btw |
| 04:07.39 | jwilliams_ | thinkpad w520 so wireless is intel 6205 |
| 04:07.42 | ImaLamer | jwilliams_: are you wanting to see if this works before you keep installing stuff? |
| 04:09.04 | chz|bacon | yeah jwilliams_ you can go one of two ways. do what ImaLamer said an install wicd-curses by running sudo apt-get install wicd-curses , or installing a window manager with a graphical tool to configure your networking. |
| 04:09.26 | jwilliams_ | i am used to wicd-client as well. but searching amd netinstall cd (apt-cache search wicd) doesn't produce any result. seems no wicd related packages in that boot cd. |
| 04:10.04 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: can you connect that machine directly to the network via ethernet? |
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| 04:11.17 | jwilliams_ | seems there is eth0, i do not have cable (i will need to buy one). i think that's why i am in a dilemma : p |
| 04:11.30 | jwilliams_ | that laptop doesn't have any internet connection. |
| 04:11.34 | ImaLamer | i was only suggesting because i thought that was your goal - if you can fire up a window manager |
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| 04:11.55 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: can you snatch a cable from another computer? |
| 04:12.43 | jwilliams_ | i will go get one that looks fast than battling with those key words. |
| 04:12.45 | chz|bacon | or i suppose you could use wireless tether on a smartphone if you have it |
| 04:13.01 | chz|bacon | just setup an open network then sudo apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 04:13.12 | mumpitze1 | jwilliams_: you don't need wicd. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 04:13.22 | ImaLamer | ^ |
| 04:13.42 | mumpitze1 | jwilliams_: however, you need firmware for your wlan chip |
| 04:13.56 | chz|bacon | mumpitze1: he's got it loaded apparently |
| 04:13.59 | chz|bacon | wlan0 is up |
| 04:14.54 | jwilliams_ | mumpitzel: i tried key word provided by that url (wireless-ssid, etc.) but it doesn't work probably because the encrypt is for wpa personal with which i don't know what key word needs to be applied interfaces file. |
| 04:14.56 | chz|bacon | you could grab sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant as well |
| 04:15.05 | chz|bacon | though that might take a little more time to explain how to use |
| 04:15.39 | mumpitze1 | jwilliams_: no keyword. simply ssid and password as shown |
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| 04:16.24 | mumpitze1 | jwilliams_: iwlist scan shows your ap? and wpa-ssid and wpa-psk are all you need |
| 04:16.27 | jwilliams_ | mumpitzel: is it wpa-password in interfaces? |
| 04:16.45 | jwilliams_ | mumptizel: yes. iwlist scan wlan0 show ap i want to connect to. |
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| 04:17.13 | mumpitze1 | no it's not wpa-password: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
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| 04:18.30 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: do you have wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant? |
| 04:19.15 | jwilliams_ | chz|bacon: there is no wpa_* package in amd64's boot cd. |
| 04:19.48 | jwilliams_ | mumpitzel: that' weird. i tried that previously, but didn't work. will try it again. |
| 04:19.53 | mumpitze1 | there is wpasupplicant. no _ |
| 04:19.54 | jwilliams_ | or any log i can check? |
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| 04:20.43 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: you'll need to sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant |
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| 04:21.14 | jwilliams_ | apt-cache search wpasupplicant doesn't return anything. |
| 04:21.37 | jwilliams_ | so it looks like wpasupplicant is not included in amd64 netinstall cd. |
| 04:22.03 | ImaLamer | can that be? |
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| 04:22.49 | chz|bacon | jwilliams_: can you grab another iso and burn it? then just mount it |
| 04:22.56 | jwilliams_ | going to get cable. then battle later once i come back. |
| 04:23.01 | jwilliams_ | thanks. : ) |
| 04:23.04 | chz|bacon | np |
| 04:23.26 | ImaLamer | disc would be cheaper |
| 04:23.27 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: i wouldn't think it'd be on the netinstall |
| 04:23.39 | chz|bacon | note: i'm not sure if you were being sarcastic :P |
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| 04:23.45 | mumpitze1 | no it cannot be. netinst CDs can connect to WPA networks while installing |
| 04:23.50 | ImaLamer | seems to me, it should be |
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| 04:24.06 | mumpitze1 | so wpasupplicant is present |
| 04:24.15 | chz|bacon | it's pretty important these days |
| 04:24.31 | chz|bacon | but again.. you're grabing the 35mb netinstall |
| 04:24.36 | chz|bacon | what do you expect |
| 04:24.59 | chz|bacon | netinstall + no network connection = not wise to install at that time. |
| 04:25.21 | mumpitze1 | chz|bacon: you talk gibberish here |
| 04:25.34 | chz|bacon | agreed |
| 04:25.50 | mumpitze1 | netinst hasn't ever been 35MB ever. businesscard maybe but that's a different thing |
| 04:26.02 | ImaLamer | ~211 |
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| 04:27.00 | chz|bacon | yeah sorry mumpitze1 i was thinking bizcard |
| 04:27.15 | chz|bacon | 135mb on the netinstall huh |
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| 04:28.16 | chz|bacon | what wm/de are you all using? |
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| 04:28.41 | ImaLamer | xfce atm |
| 04:28.48 | phy1729 | chz|bacon: i3 |
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| 04:28.59 | chz|bacon | gnome3 here atm |
| 04:29.02 | chz|bacon | love i3 |
| 04:29.20 | chz|bacon | and xfce, but thunar always drives me a bit nuts. |
| 04:29.46 | chz|bacon | maybe i'm just not configuring it right, who knows |
| 04:29.58 | ImaLamer | i dislike thunar and nautilus now is ugly |
| 04:30.18 | chz|bacon | yeah i don't mind nautilus |
| 04:30.31 | chz|bacon | i like files that the elementary guys are working on |
| 04:30.39 | chz|bacon | still abit buggy though |
| 04:30.52 | chz|bacon | and you gotta love the trusty ol mc |
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| 04:32.01 | ImaLamer | i want samba support @ home |
| 04:33.30 | jair | guys this might be a silly question, but is there a way I can test my swap memory in linux? I want to run a process that can use so much memory I can see the spike? |
| 04:33.53 | ImaLamer | google chrome works for me ;) |
| 04:34.25 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: samba is super easy |
| 04:34.51 | jair | ImaLamer: I notice it uses most of the memory on my top processes, I just want to see how conky shows the usage of the swap memory |
| 04:34.53 | ImaLamer | oh, i mean in my filemanager... and the occasional ability to 'mount' SCP hosts |
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| 04:35.47 | chz|bacon | jair: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1367/how-to-test-swap-partition |
| 04:35.50 | chz|bacon | something like that |
| 04:35.54 | mumpitze1 | jair: just write a mini program which runs a HUGE calloc() command |
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| 04:36.37 | jair | chz|bacon: will check that thank you! |
| 04:36.46 | mumpitze1 | jair: it won't help you |
| 04:36.57 | chz|bacon | oh here we go |
| 04:37.02 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: ironically i use samba from a debian box at home to host to the windows machines |
| 04:37.03 | jair | mumpitze1: hmm I don't know how to write that program you are talking about... |
| 04:37.19 | mumpitze1 | the memeater in the chz|bacon link will work |
| 04:37.34 | chz|bacon | i'll just stop trying to assist seeing as how all my suggestions are wrong |
| 04:37.36 | jair | :P |
| 04:37.44 | jair | chz|bacon: haha |
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| 04:38.48 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: yeah i built a small one for work, only 4tb though. |
| 04:39.21 | chz|bacon | great little work horse running an amd e350 |
| 04:39.50 | ImaLamer | this is a P4, still quite quick |
| 04:40.53 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: you should run openbox or i3wm on it |
| 04:41.21 | chz|bacon | cut the overhead you get with xfce, though i'm sure it's not that much. |
| 04:41.33 | ImaLamer | on that one i don't even have a monitor, kb or mouse on it |
| 04:42.00 | ImaLamer | on this laptop i only have 1GB RAM and i run xfce, but have i3 installed |
| 04:42.24 | ImaLamer | i should look at it now (the quick howto) |
| 04:42.26 | mumpitze1 | i3? |
| 04:42.26 | chz|bacon | yeah openbox might be worth a shot |
| 04:42.33 | chz|bacon | i3wm |
| 04:42.38 | chz|bacon | tiling wm |
| 04:42.57 | rryoumaa | is there a way to test every wm sequentially? |
| 04:43.06 | rryoumaa | like you quit one and the next runs? |
| 04:43.32 | phy1729 | rryoumaa: too many |
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| 04:43.42 | chz|bacon | rryoumaa: seems like i heard about a distro awhile back that did that, loaded a live disk with a bunch of window managers, can't remember the name of it now. |
| 04:43.43 | phy1729 | by the time the test ends there'd be more :P |
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| 04:44.02 | rryoumaa | i mean all that are in debian |
| 04:44.17 | phy1729 | chz|bacon: what pdf reader do you use out of curiosity? |
| 04:44.33 | chz|bacon | rryoumaa: sounds like a fun rainy weekend project |
| 04:45.05 | rryoumaa | i just want something that does not look too tiny with high dpi |
| 04:45.56 | chz|bacon | evince |
| 04:46.12 | chz|bacon | just the default one that comes with the gnome desktop install |
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| 04:46.45 | chz|bacon | seems to work pretty well phy1729 |
| 04:47.08 | chz|bacon | at least just the bit of reading i've been doing in the debian handbook |
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| 04:48.21 | jair | chz|bacon: the program is working very nicely |
| 04:48.32 | jair | chz|bacon: allocating more and more memory :) |
| 04:48.38 | chz|bacon | ^5 jair |
| 04:48.42 | chz|bacon | glad it worked for ya |
| 04:48.59 | chz|bacon | lil' googling does wonders |
| 04:49.00 | jair | chz|bacon: I will be able to see the swap in use haha |
| 04:49.20 | jair | chz|bacon: thank you really, sometimes is to know what you are looking for as well |
| 04:49.23 | jair | ;) |
| 04:49.50 | chz|bacon | while i could have just said http://www.usethefuckinggoogle.com/ , i feel it's nicer to just help |
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| 04:50.14 | chz|bacon | btw i love that site :P |
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| 04:52.24 | jair | chz|bacon: I appreciate your valuable time thank you! |
| 04:52.41 | jair | chz|bacon: I really mean it my friend |
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| 04:53.06 | rideh | so… it looks like my sysadmin created a custom group and added that to sudoers… didnt realize this until I'd deleted what looked like an arbitrary group name that conflicted with a new user being created (had searched for files owned by the group with no success, thought it to be safe)… still have open session via ssh. Any way to regain access? |
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| 04:53.41 | chz|bacon | no problemo jair, my pleasure |
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| 04:56.15 | ImaLamer | rideh: are you root? |
| 04:56.30 | rideh | negative, i'd disabled root with passwd -l a while ago |
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| 04:57.46 | chz|bacon | hey rideh not that i can think of |
| 04:57.55 | rideh | oh boy... |
| 04:57.59 | chz|bacon | was anyone in the sudoers file? |
| 04:58.05 | rideh | this is what happens when my sysadmin gets tricky... |
| 04:58.09 | chz|bacon | aside from the group? |
| 04:58.20 | rideh | no idea, i cant read it |
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| 04:58.43 | rideh | didn't think to check it beforehand because i figured we were just members of sudo or wheel |
| 04:59.05 | chz|bacon | yeah |
| 04:59.37 | chz|bacon | err could you mount the system from a live boot disk and repair the file? |
| 04:59.48 | chz|bacon | or could you boot into recovery |
| 04:59.52 | rideh | its a live server |
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| 04:59.57 | chz|bacon | ouch |
| 05:00.06 | rideh | yes |
| 05:00.10 | chz|bacon | ummm |
| 05:00.16 | smw | rideh, if you don't have root, the only way to get it is to take down the server. This is a security feature :-) |
| 05:00.20 | chz|bacon | set the building on fire and run? |
| 05:00.25 | rideh | no kidding |
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| 05:00.34 | rideh | why he would do that and not tell me |
| 05:00.53 | chz|bacon | why would you not check the sudoers file |
| 05:00.56 | rideh | anytime you deivate from the "book" you need to communicate |
| 05:01.01 | chz|bacon | you silly admins :P |
| 05:01.10 | smw | rideh, what did he name your sudo group? |
| 05:01.12 | rideh | chz|bacon: that part is on me - guess thats what i get for trying to fix something at 1 am |
| 05:01.18 | rideh | acronym for the biz name |
| 05:01.36 | rideh | i did search for ownership of files and such but didnt even think to check suoders |
| 05:01.37 | chz|bacon | yeah, crap happens, but if you can bring the box down long enough to fix it, then it's not the end of the world |
| 05:01.40 | rideh | till obviously too late |
| 05:01.55 | rideh | whats the quickest way to fix it? its a vm on a vps host |
| 05:01.58 | chz|bacon | rideh: i've been there too my friend |
| 05:02.01 | smw | rideh, you probably should have checked what the group was used for before deleting it... but yeah, at this point you need a root terminal or to boot in single user mode |
| 05:02.21 | rideh | smw: wont argue that but hes not available and i had to fix an issue at 1 am |
| 05:02.30 | rideh | thats what i get for trying to get stuff done. |
| 05:02.42 | ImaLamer | no good deed goes unpunished |
| 05:02.50 | rideh | mmhmm, |
| 05:03.04 | ImaLamer | so... no one has the ability to sudo now? |
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| 05:03.05 | chz|bacon | rideh: just say you tripped over the power cable >_> |
| 05:03.12 | smw | rideh, what do you have access to with the VPS? Can you get a fake keyboard/monitor and boot into single user mode? |
| 05:03.24 | smw | rideh, can you plug the virtual hard drive into a working machine? |
| 05:03.40 | rideh | hmm, i have access via a lish console |
| 05:03.44 | chz|bacon | looks like smw is on to something |
| 05:03.47 | rideh | ImaLamer: correct |
| 05:03.47 | chz|bacon | brb |
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| 05:04.04 | smw | rideh, never used linode |
| 05:04.08 | ImaLamer | does the VPS have the ability to use something like LISH and boot to single user |
| 05:04.16 | rideh | ImaLamer: yes |
| 05:04.58 | smw | rideh, then boot single user. Also, a good thing for the future is to give root a very long and impossible password to remember and then lock it in a safe. |
| 05:05.03 | ImaLamer | missed you saying that, i was running to another machine that's gone crazy |
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| 05:05.28 | rideh | smw: had a 60 char password but i disabled root login with -l |
| 05:05.32 | smw | rideh, ("safe" can be a draw in the bosses desk if that is good enough for you ;-) ) |
| 05:05.40 | rideh | i am the boss |
| 05:05.58 | rideh | :) but no thats definatly not good enough for me |
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| 05:06.27 | smw | rideh, do you know how to boot into single user mode using lish? |
| 05:06.30 | ImaLamer | rideh: don't worry about losing the root password, you can do harm with less (as we are finding) |
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| 05:07.08 | rideh | haha |
| 05:07.19 | smw | rideh, https://blog.linode.com/2003/06/28/single-user-mode/ |
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| 05:08.06 | smw | rideh, single user mode will allow you to set a root password and then reboot and fix privileges at your leisure. |
| 05:08.25 | rideh | smw: yep thanks, working through it |
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| 05:10.28 | ImaLamer | i need a printer to put a i3 cheat sheet above the desk here |
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| 05:14.04 | dem0n | hey can anyone here assist me with trying to add the resolution size 1600x900 with xrandr i have been googleing for hours now and i have come close i have added 1600x900 and i see it in the list when i run the command "xrandr" but when i try to change to that size it gives me a "failed to change screen configuration!" error |
| 05:16.52 | rideh | well looks liek there is a utility for resetting root password.. that made it easy |
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| 05:22.05 | ImaLamer | rideh: you can also use fennix with that VPS provider |
| 05:22.19 | ImaLamer | dem0n: is it a valid resolution for the monitor? |
| 05:22.31 | rideh | ImaLamer: i'll have to look into that. got my immediate problem resolved |
| 05:22.46 | rideh | smw, ImaLamer thanks |
| 05:23.58 | ImaLamer | actually, i guess running i3 makes having the 'cheat sheet' handy at all time |
| 05:24.00 | ImaLamer | *tiems |
| 05:24.03 | ImaLamer | f it |
| 05:25.33 | ImaLamer | exit |
| 05:25.38 | ImaLamer | bah |
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| 05:32.30 | elkingrey | I'm trying to get my wife to switch from OSX to Linux. Do you think she could easily install Linux on Mac hardware? Or does Apple to things to prevent anything other than their own software on their hardware? |
| 05:33.18 | rideh | elkingrey: should work fine - but i'd suggest letting her dip toes in first. try a virtualbox setup |
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| 05:34.45 | elkingrey | Oh, she used to use Linux on an old PC. I'm just concerned that we'll try to put Linux on her Mac, and things won't work. |
| 05:34.58 | blz37 | What is the default option for gnome-terminal-->profile preferences-->Title and Command-->Initial Title ? |
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| 05:35.19 | dem0n | ImaLamer: yes that is my screens resolution |
| 05:35.23 | blz37 | I set it to a custom title but what I really wanted was for the title bar to show the currently open file. |
| 05:35.27 | ImaLamer | Title |
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| 05:35.48 | ImaLamer | terminal rather |
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| 05:36.33 | blz37 | ImaLamer, terminal and replace,keep, or append the initial title ? |
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| 05:36.39 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: two obstacles, EFI and the broadcom wifi chip |
| 05:37.04 | ImaLamer | "Terminal" is what it says for me |
| 05:37.18 | ImaLamer | replace initial title |
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| 05:38.19 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: So, it sounds like everything will work fine, but some nonfree software will have to be installed for full functionality. Is that right? |
| 05:38.39 | blz37 | ImaLamer, still doesn't show the name of the currently opened file. |
| 05:38.47 | blz37 | I must be missing something. |
| 05:39.25 | ImaLamer | restart your terminal? |
| 05:39.38 | ImaLamer | or a new session |
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| 05:41.43 | blz37 | ImaLamer, yes. Restarting works. |
| 05:42.23 | blz37 | The main problem is, actually, just by looking at the tab, I couldn't tell which one has the focus. |
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| 05:48.41 | moof2 | when you click the tab you think has focus, does something change? |
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| 05:53.16 | ImaLamer | before i start looking, can i put my memory usage on my i3bar? |
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| 05:55.19 | phy1729 | ImaLamer: the FAQ addresses just that |
| 05:55.32 | phy1729 | or the man page I forget which |
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| 05:56.07 | ImaLamer | i didn't even want to get into configuring it until i used it more, here goes i guess |
| 05:56.20 | blz37 | moof2, I don't see anything changes. if there is any, it is so slight that I don't notice it at all. |
| 05:56.30 | blz37 | I am using unstable and notion window manager |
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| 06:00.57 | moof2 | is it themable? |
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| 06:05.57 | gnarface | SARC^: did you get it working? |
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| 06:42.50 | jair | I hope many of you are familiar with conky, the only problem is I need to make it run at start up |
| 06:43.17 | jair | I am using debian 7.0 and lxde desktop manager. I am googling and checking with the debian masters |
| 06:43.21 | mumpitze1 | .xinitrc |
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| 06:49.01 | thesadmafioso | Hi, just got my first 64-bit system up and running with debian and having some trouble with broadcom wireless card |
| 06:49.29 | thesadmafioso | Can anyone tell me where firmware is typically housed on a debian system? I am running debian 7.0 |
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| 06:49.36 | mumpitze1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.40 | mumpitze1 | which broadcom chip is it? |
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| 06:49.55 | thesadmafioso | BCM4318 |
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| 06:50.07 | themill | !BCM4318 |
| 06:50.07 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 06:51.34 | recy | hello all |
| 06:51.37 | thesadmafioso | Hmm, I tried /lib/firmware. "Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by b43-cutter" |
| 06:51.41 | recy | i took harddrives out of a dell 860 and put them in another dell 860 |
| 06:51.45 | recy | now the network does not work |
| 06:51.50 | recy | maybe because of different mac address? |
| 06:51.55 | recy | i don't know, does anyone have any clue what it could be? |
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| 06:52.11 | mumpitze1 | thesadmafioso: you need to get the file with the firmware inside and _put_ it into /lib/firmware. not the other way around |
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| 06:52.27 | recy | its running proxmox |
| 06:52.30 | mumpitze1 | recy: yes, could be. run ifconfig -a |
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| 06:53.23 | themill | recy: proxmox is not supported in #debian -- try http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 06:53.34 | thesadmafioso | mumpitze1: Ah, ok. It told me that b43-cutter got an unknown md5sum from the file. |
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| 06:55.15 | recy | it is debian 6.0 |
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| 06:56.01 | mumpitze1 | recy: it's not debian, but it's based on debian. Which is why we cannot support it: we don't know what the proxmox people changed. ask them for support please |
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| 06:56.31 | themill | and the main things that change with proxmox is the kernel and presumably also device enumeration. |
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| 06:57.37 | jair | mumpitze1: I am looking at xinitrc in debian wiki and looks pretty symple. So I can just create that file and add the command I want to start the application? |
| 06:57.38 | thesadmafioso | mumpitze1: ok, I copied the file that corresponds with my device pci-id to /lib/firmware and I am trying again |
| 06:57.48 | jair | mumpitze1: looks like that is all I need to do? |
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| 06:58.30 | mumpitze1 | jair: yes |
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| 06:59.13 | jair | mumpitze1: thank you I will give it a try now |
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| 07:03.10 | thesadmafioso | !b43-cutter |
| 07:03.30 | thesadmafioso | Eh, what did I do wrong haha |
| 07:03.31 | elkingrey | Does anybody know of an on screen keyboard program for debian? |
| 07:03.35 | recy | ok if it was debian, how would i normally do it on debian? just curious |
| 07:03.39 | metaspike | there's been a lot of issue with the intel-hda-snd module for some time, still lots of noise and glithy volume controls for certain gigabyte, azilia codecs and reltek crap. i think its related to timer frequencies or IRQ assignments, causing the inputs to get mixed up. how can I disable them/test relevant low level audio configurations to get to the bottom of this? how?! |
| 07:05.23 | metaspike | elkingrey, apt-cache reveals 'iok' , matchbox is a wm that might also provide this functionality |
| 07:05.59 | metaspike | oh dear, iok is for indian |
| 07:06.21 | metaspike | might still have something you can use who knows |
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| 07:09.15 | milligan | Has anyone here installed TORA (database administration tool) on debian? I am trying to get it to work with my oracle client, but it's not listing oracle as a possible connection provider... |
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| 07:15.22 | jdoles | Which package contains the Emacs Lisp reference manual in PDF? |
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| 07:16.55 | Wizard | milligan: TORA requires oracle libs available during build, afaik. |
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| 07:26.48 | elkingrey | metaspike: Hey, it's right there under universal access, enable screen keyboard. =P Can I get that with Gnome 2 as well? |
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| 07:27.41 | metaspike | probably not sure, i could always write one if you cant find one eheh |
| 07:28.32 | metaspike | elkingrey, on gnome you would use "gok" |
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| 07:30.17 | jwilliams_ | eventually get wireless intel 6205 working |
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| 07:31.02 | jwilliams_ | basically what was missing is wpasupplicant package after firmware-wireless is installed. |
| 07:31.36 | jwilliams_ | adding wpa-psk, and wpa-ssid to interfaces and do ifdown wlan0 and then ifup wlan0 would get wireless working. |
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| 07:31.42 | jwilliams_ | thanks all your help. |
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| 07:32.58 | moof2 | jwilliams_, enjoy |
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| 07:37.10 | thesadmafioso | mumpitze1: I carted the tower out to the router to hardwire a connection and ran apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 07:37.24 | thesadmafioso | mumpitze1: Sucess. |
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| 07:37.32 | thesadmafioso | Or success, even. |
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| 07:37.45 | thesadmafioso | Thanks for the help |
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| 07:38.09 | [lANCE] | is there an squid/dansguardian/ntlm specialist here? |
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| 07:38.32 | beepie | lol |
| 07:39.34 | ekle86 | hi, how can i disallow networkmanager to use /dev/ttyACM2 ? |
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| 07:44.11 | metaspike | what's the best way to compile mono, C# software? monodevelop? |
| 07:44.19 | factor | Anyone know where I can get the windres debian package from |
| 07:44.23 | metaspike | i wonder what state it's in on testing... |
| 07:44.29 | factor | Need it for cross compiling |
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| 07:47.08 | metaspike | factor, isn't that part of binutils? |
| 07:47.19 | factor | I dont seem to have it |
| 07:47.29 | factor | metaspike, ^ |
| 07:47.39 | factor | But i have binutils |
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| 07:48.18 | jelly-home | factor: crosscompiling to which platform? Have you tried searching with apt-file? |
| 07:48.24 | factor | metaspike, so I would say with Debian 7.0 no |
| 07:48.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell factor about apt-file |
| 07:48.40 | factor | windows |
| 07:48.49 | factor | 64 preferably. |
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| 07:50.38 | factor | updating apt-file |
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| 07:51.04 | metaspike | factor, apt-file says cmake, gcc-mingw32 and mingw32-binutils might have it |
| 07:51.27 | factor | thanks |
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| 07:56.10 | factor | Look slike I may have to make a link |
| 07:56.14 | factor | symlink |
| 07:56.27 | factor | has a bla blabla minggw 64 etc etc windres name |
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| 07:57.24 | [E]sc | i'm using 2 monitors with separate X running, however, all the X features are only on the main monitor, and everytime i logout and back in, the number of features duplicates each time, does anyone know a fix for this? i'm running wheezy with gdm3 |
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| 07:58.48 | Wizard | Wait what? You said you run "separate X" |
| 07:59.18 | Wizard | These mean two servers or two screens managed by one server? |
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| 07:59.44 | [E]sc | Wizard, I mean I can run a second X screen |
| 07:59.58 | [E]sc | the video card i'm using supports dual screens. |
| 08:00.39 | michaelis | Hi. If I install a program directly by downloading it from it's website, do I somehow "break" the package management system? I wish to download the latest Xen hypervisor since the version in Debian doesn't support USB 2. |
| 08:00.43 | factor | metaspike, thanks got past that error, now on to the next |
| 08:00.55 | metaspike | of course :) |
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| 08:03.24 | metaspike | [E]sc, there's plenty of ways to dual head, but see what " xrandr --auto " in console does |
| 08:03.32 | kula1922 | how can i add exist private ssh key before reinstall debian? i have created .ssh/id_rsa manually and generated id_rsa.pub by ssh-keygen -y but still i cannot get anything from gitlab for example. When i generated public key from private key the public key is the same like key wrote in gitlab but it still not work |
| 08:04.16 | michaelis | Anyone? |
| 08:04.27 | mumpitze1 | kula1922: as soon as your /target is created and mounted you can go to vtty 1 and copy over your ssh key |
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| 08:06.06 | [E]sc | metaspike, thanks. it mirrors the view of the main monitor onto the secondary... |
| 08:06.25 | milligan | Wizard, yep, I have working sql plus etc, so I think that's fine. The build messages they the oracle client is found etc as well |
| 08:06.26 | [E]sc | brb |
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| 08:07.11 | moof2 | kula1922, man ssh-keygen |
| 08:07.18 | kula1922 | mumpitze1: sry for my mistake, i said before but it man after :) i have done instalation now and try to get accesst to my remote sources |
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| 08:08.11 | moof2 | oh, you mean an existing key pair... |
| 08:08.15 | moof2 | you have to find the keys |
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| 08:10.17 | milligan | Wizard, it compiles and installs fine (I even created a .deb for future use) .. it just doesn't have the oracle provider in the gui :) |
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| 08:11.05 | kula1922 | moof2: ? exactly i dont understen you :) i have found my key... just i try to use it now :) in google i found any information about manualy create id_rsa and past them my private key. Everything should work but it in my case it is not. |
| 08:11.24 | mumpitze1 | just copy over your old files? |
| 08:11.47 | kula1922 | just content |
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| 08:11.57 | moof2 | kula1922, it's ok :) I thought it was something else |
| 08:12.05 | mumpitze1 | if you copy over your old files, you don't need to generate anyways |
| 08:12.07 | kula1922 | aaa ok :0 |
| 08:12.15 | kula1922 | yea i know |
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| 08:13.40 | Wizard | milligan: Did you install Oracle client first? |
| 08:14.11 | kula1922 | mumpitze1: yes, exacly the same is wrote on google but when i copy my key, still i cannot get anything from my remote source when the ssh-key authorization is needed |
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| 08:14.43 | kula1922 | mumpitze1: meaby is something else to do? |
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| 08:15.47 | metaspike | kula1922, what's the error? |
| 08:15.47 | moof2 | well make sure permissions are correct... sshd (and a few other programs) are very picky about perms and ownerships |
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| 08:17.14 | SexyBitch | Hey I found this cool linux search based on google. Feel free to go and check it out at http://www.jonnybowes.co.uk/Linuxsearch.html :) |
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| 08:18.37 | SexyBitch | This find is not my website, just something I came across and felt I should share :) |
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| 08:21.31 | Wizard | +q? |
| 08:21.41 | moof2 | it's gone |
| 08:22.14 | mumpitze1 | I hope it stays that way |
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| 08:23.12 | moof2 | someone probably pinged #freenode (altho never saw a /kill) |
| 08:24.17 | voxadam | Does a "testing-updates" deb repository ever exist when running "testing" or are the changes that would normaly go into such a repository simply get incorperated directly into main? |
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| 08:24.43 | mumpitze1 | simply into main |
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| 08:24.50 | voxadam | Thanks. |
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| 08:25.24 | themill | voxadam: there's a testing-proposed-updates but it doesn't get much use except during the freeze and even then, it's only for packages that can't go via unstable |
| 08:25.48 | ekle86 | is there a repository for getting the lastest kde in debian 7 ? |
| 08:25.50 | voxadam | themill: Good to know. |
| 08:25.56 | themill | ekle86: no |
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| 08:26.20 | milligan | Wizard, yep |
| 08:26.51 | Wizard | Maybe it requires some additional setup or something? :P |
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| 08:31.24 | milligan | Wizard, hard to say mate :) I'm just pissed I have to work with oracle in general .. let alone battle the tools made to lighten the burden :P |
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| 08:31.53 | Wizard | :D |
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| 08:37.40 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 08:37.59 | moof2 | hi |
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| 08:38.30 | Shadur | ... Note to self, switch off apt-listbugs /before/ doing a dist-upgrade. |
| 08:38.55 | moof2 | lotsa bugs? |
| 08:39.11 | Wizard | :D |
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| 08:39.27 | Shadur | It's been five minutes so far and the server's about 30% through scanning packages and bug lists. |
| 08:39.29 | lancelot_of | i made a bootable usb with dd, doing dd if=/path/to/.iso of=/dev/sdb for a bios upgrade iso but when i reboot and try to boot from usb nothing happens, like if no images would be there. indeed when i mount the created iso stick, the image is there!please help!what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 08:40.15 | Wizard | lancelot_of: Not all ISO images are bootable from USB. |
| 08:40.15 | Shadur | At least I *did* think to disable apt-listchanges beforehand. |
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| 08:43.03 | ChrisH | lancelot_of: If you use a Debian Image, the supported way to creating a bootable media is NOT dd but cat, check documentation. |
| 08:44.17 | ksk | it does not matter though ChrisH |
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| 08:44.30 | ksk | and its not even cat anymore IIRC ;) |
| 08:44.37 | Wizard | :) |
| 08:44.45 | ChrisH | ksk: looks like I need to check the doc once more :) |
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| 08:45.03 | Wizard | Well, dd worked for me yesterday, with 7.0 live. |
| 08:45.42 | lancelot_of | ChrisH, i'm not using a Debian image, as i wrote it's a bios upgrade utility...and i tried also cat /path/to/.iso > /dev/sdb then sync but the same result happened |
| 08:46.02 | sungem | hi.copying files from a nfs mount to a local partition |
| 08:46.13 | Wizard | lancelot_of: Once again, not all ISO images are bootable from USB. |
| 08:46.16 | Wizard | Period. |
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| 08:46.22 | michaelis | Hi. If I install a program directly by downloading it from it's website, do I somehow "break" the package management system? I wish to download the latest Xen hypervisor since the version in Debian doesn't support USB 2. |
| 08:46.25 | sungem | adn scp files from the same remote host |
| 08:46.36 | sungem | *and |
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| 08:46.43 | sungem | which is faster |
| 08:46.51 | enyc | michaelis: sort of, depends etc.... |
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| 08:47.04 | format_c | lancelot_of: however, why using cat not dd? |
| 08:47.06 | enyc | michaelis: also, often you can download the .deb package form them, intended for your distro/version or compatible |
| 08:47.07 | ChrisH | sungem: is that a question? |
| 08:47.18 | enyc | michaelis: which then installs it, via the package management system |
| 08:47.22 | sungem | i have no handy machines,can someone tell me |
| 08:47.40 | spm_Draget | Is envvar-support for apache debian specific? (like mentioned in this ubuntu thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1639623 , running debian squeeze here) |
| 08:47.47 | sungem | well,ChrisH ,do i miss anything which should be told |
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| 08:49.28 | moof2 | dd without too many options is close enough to cat |
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| 08:50.30 | sungem | moof2: ok. |
| 08:50.37 | enyc | michaelis: not sure if i'm making much sense |
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| 08:51.13 | ChrisH | sungem: I am not sure if I understood what you want to ask. Some sentences with one question and one time return makes it easier to understand. Is your question: What is faster? transfer files via NFS mount or scp? If that is the answer, my assumption is: NFS is faster. |
| 08:51.26 | michaelis | enyc: Ok. Thank you. The latest version doesn't exist as a deb package. Oh well, I'll just have to install my Window$ on a separate computer since having it as a guest doesn't work properly. |
| 08:51.33 | moof2 | dd has great options for translation, size and probably other things |
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| 08:52.23 | sungem | ChrisH: yeh.you catch me.and thanks. :- ) |
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| 08:54.53 | enyc | michaelis: hrrm |
| 08:55.12 | enyc | michaelis: Xen hypervisors themselves, you can just install the binary in /boot and update-grub and it sould be an option |
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| 08:55.47 | sungem | sometimes I found that using *lftp* is much slower than rsync.so I think transfering files via different protocol will differ |
| 08:55.51 | enyc | michaelis: but that doesn't do anything about xen tools etc. |
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| 08:56.13 | michaelis | enyc: Ok. I will look into that option. |
| 08:56.23 | enyc | michaelis: however.... for running windows over diabn you may want to try VirtualBox |
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| 08:56.48 | michaelis | enyc: Is VirtualBox free software as in GPL? |
| 08:56.53 | enyc | michaelis: yes |
| 08:57.12 | mumpitze1 | michaelis: it's in the debian repos |
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| 08:57.24 | prsn | hi! I have a desktop that was working fine, then sat unused for some time, was moved, and now sound doesn't work and running "alsamixer" prints "cannot open mixer: no such file or directory" |
| 08:57.31 | enyc | michaelis: you May want to use the virtualbox deb's from virtualbox.org . there is a (non-free? but gratis?) extension to that which then allows usb passthrough that works well. can be useful, etc. |
| 08:57.35 | prsn | I am in the audio group, and it doesn't work as root |
| 08:57.36 | moof2 | rsync was written after ftp and ftpd... it was probably designed to be more efficient |
| 08:57.49 | sungem | ok |
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| 08:57.52 | Stygia | prsn: try sudo aptitude reinstall alsamxier |
| 08:57.55 | michaelis | mumpitze1: Ok. Thank you. |
| 08:57.56 | Stygia | prsn: dirty hack I know, but it may work. |
| 08:58.07 | michaelis | enyc: Ok. I will try it out then. |
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| 08:58.12 | prsn | Stygia: trying |
| 08:58.15 | moof2 | prsn, youre you and root is root :) |
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| 08:58.33 | prsn | moof2: i know, those were two separate statements |
| 08:58.58 | Stygia | prsn: it may be alsamixergui |
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| 08:59.04 | prsn | yeah ok was just running into that |
| 08:59.11 | enyc | michaelis: definetly runs winxp well, you can probably get windows 7 in there etc... but im not a windows supporter in generoal, but it may help you. good luck =). In any case as a ''single person desktop user'' you are likely to find Virtualbox more useful than Xen, but ymmv =) |
| 08:59.32 | prsn | Stygia: says it's not currently installed; installing... |
| 08:59.42 | spm_Draget | Is envvar-support for apache debian specific? (like mentioned in this ubuntu thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1639623 , running debian squeeze here) |
| 08:59.47 | Stygia | prsn: then you should be able to run alsamixer after |
| 08:59.58 | prsn | weird that it new the command though? |
| 09:00.06 | prsn | and nope |
| 09:00.08 | prsn | still breaks, same error |
| 09:00.10 | michaelis | enyc: I'm also not a M$ supporter but I have a application that only runs in windows. |
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| 09:00.56 | prsn | huh. running 'alsamixergui' gives a graphical window with an error saying snd_ctl_open failed |
| 09:01.09 | Stygia | try running just alsamixer |
| 09:01.13 | prsn | i did |
| 09:01.18 | prsn | same error, as i said |
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| 09:01.31 | Stygia | prsn: not 'alsamixergui', just 'alsamixer' ? |
| 09:01.33 | prsn | yes |
| 09:01.41 | prsn | alsamixer is the same terminal-based error |
| 09:01.50 | prsn | alsamixergui is a popup with a variant of the error |
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| 09:02.46 | enyc | michaelis: also, SOMETIMES you can run the application in wine ... |
| 09:03.03 | Stygia | prsn: please use Stygia: first when you write to me, won't get notification otherwise. |
| 09:03.09 | Stygia | prsn: which driver are you using? |
| 09:03.27 | Stygia | prsn: lspic | grep -i audio |
| 09:03.54 | michaelis | enyc: But there is a special RS485 to USB converter that only has a windows driver and I must use since it is the only one that supports their protocol. |
| 09:04.07 | prsn | Stygia: 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) |
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| 09:04.33 | Stygia | prsn: Have you installed a driver for that? Try googling for that card and the 'snd_ctl' open failed error |
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| 09:05.29 | enyc | michaelis: yah, use the oldest (smallest!) windows you can get? with the virtualbox with addons package for usb |
| 09:05.38 | prsn | Stygia: I mean, this machine worked fine for like a year |
| 09:05.43 | prsn | Stygia: what can have changed? |
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| 09:06.12 | enyc | michaelis: you (may) need to muck about adding /proc/bus/usb and stuff or not, not sure... it DEFINITELY works well to run winxp virtual machine with usb passthrough using the verions of virtualbox from virtualbox.org, in any case |
| 09:06.16 | prsn | Stygia: as far as I know, no one used it since the sound last worked. It just sat around for a while and then got plugged in in a different building |
| 09:06.43 | michaelis | enyc: Ok. Thank you for your help. It's most appreciated. |
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| 09:07.12 | Stygia | prsn: A number of things could have changed - maybe the kernel got updated and a driver that used to work now doesn't. |
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| 09:07.33 | Stygia | prsn: try modprobing anything with snd and intel in it. |
| 09:07.39 | Stygia | prsn: then run speaker-test each time |
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| 09:08.14 | Stygia | prsn: also, edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and add |
| 09:08.16 | Stygia | prsn: options snd-hda-intel model=auto |
| 09:08.48 | Stygia | prsn: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32470 |
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| 09:12.03 | prsn | Stygia: okay so 'modprobe -l | grep snd | grep intel' gives four results, e.g. kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd_hda_intel.ko. 'modprobe x' where x is each of those four all says FATAL: module x not found |
| 09:12.47 | Stygia | prsn: modprobe -l? On my debian testing that does not exist. |
| 09:12.58 | Stygia | prsn: you mean lsmod? |
| 09:13.18 | prsn | no.. i just ran man modprobe, /list, and -l was there, and it seemed to work.. |
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| 09:14.06 | prsn | Stygia: module-init-tools version 3.12 |
| 09:14.37 | Stygia | prsn: that I already have installed. Either way, try lsmod so I can keep up, yea? |
| 09:14.44 | Stygia | lsmod with the same, grep for snd and intel, then modprobe that |
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| 09:15.42 | Stygia | prsn: Did you learn anything from the two threads? Did their solutions help? |
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| 09:16.54 | prsn | Stygia: um, not really from the first one, and the second one is the same link again by accident :) |
| 09:17.20 | Stygia | prsn: Ah, alright, fair enough. Do you have any snd modules when you lsmod | grep -i intel | grep -i snd? |
| 09:18.00 | prsn | Stygia: yeah, including snd_hda_intel. I ran 'modprobe snd_hda_intel' and i guess it succeeded? there was no output |
| 09:18.38 | prsn | i also added that line to that file, but i'm not sure if i need to reload it or something? |
| 09:18.42 | prsn | Stygia: ^ |
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| 09:19.02 | prsn | Stygia: thanks for all your help/patience btw :) |
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| 09:19.38 | Stygia | prsn: No prob. You _may_ need to restart alsa if it's a service (can't remember, using pulse), or, some other similar service. The lazy/stupid way out is to reboot. |
| 09:19.40 | prsn | Stygia: and speaker-test spits out a lot of errors |
| 09:19.42 | Stygia | prsn: no output is success. |
| 09:19.56 | Stygia | prsn: which errors? also, since that module loaded, go ahead and add it to /etc/modules |
| 09:20.12 | Stygia | Prsn: just add snd_hda_intel on a line of its own, probably with 'loop' as the only other. |
| 09:20.23 | prsn | Stygia: http://pastie.org/8033846 |
| 09:21.10 | prsn | Stygia: ok, added to /etc/modules |
| 09:21.12 | Stygia | prsn: hmm.... well now I'm guessing, but try this |
| 09:21.26 | Stygia | prsn: sudo aptitude reinstall alsa-base alsa-firmware loaders; sudo apt-get remove alsa-oss |
| 09:21.41 | Stygia | prsn: I am somewhat stumped by your issue, though, it seems abnormally 'hard' to fix. |
| 09:21.43 | Stygia | prsn: for alsa. |
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| 09:22.01 | prsn | Stygia: alright, i ran that |
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| 09:22.12 | prsn | Stygia: seemed to work, alsmixer still doesn't. should i reboot? |
| 09:22.13 | Stygia | prsn: did it add/remove anything? |
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| 09:22.38 | Stygia | prsn: Hmm. Well, yea, I kinda wanna say try that. There's probably a way to reset everything without, but... this is easier. |
| 09:22.38 | prsn | Stygia: oh, there was a typo |
| 09:22.56 | prsn | Stygia: alsa-firmware-loaders instead of alsa-firmware loaders |
| 09:23.01 | prsn | Sygia: trying again |
| 09:23.06 | Stygia | prsn: Ah yea, try again. |
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| 09:23.26 | prsn | Stygia: okay, worked, except alsa-oss is not installed |
| 09:23.34 | prsn | Stygia: so i guess I'll go ahead and install that? |
| 09:23.38 | prsn | oh |
| 09:23.39 | prsn | not |
| 09:23.55 | prsn | Stygia: nvm, i think it just removed successfully the first itme |
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| 09:23.57 | voxadam | How does one flush the dns cache on a Debian machine? |
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| 09:24.17 | prsn | Stygia: alsamixer still doesn't work though. Going ahead and rebooting, see you in a sec :) |
| 09:24.23 | Stygia | prsn: Oh no please don't, that was apt-get remove for a reason. |
| 09:24.32 | Stygia | prsn: we want either also, or oss, or pulse. Not a mix. |
| 09:24.34 | prsn | yes, i see that |
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| 09:24.41 | prsn | i figured it out before i messed it up :) |
| 09:25.07 | Stygia | prsn: Ah would have been no harm done. |
| 09:25.11 | Stygia | prsn: I'll hang around, give a reboot a try. |
| 09:25.15 | prsn | thanks |
| 09:25.17 | Stygia | Again, if anyone else has ideas... |
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| 09:26.14 | jelly | voxadam: depends on which dns cache is installed and used. By default, there is none. |
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| 09:26.56 | prsn | Stygia: hi! so nothing works still, but something interesting happened |
| 09:27.00 | voxadam | jelly: Thanks. I figured out my issue. It was DNSMasq on my router. |
| 09:27.02 | Stygia | prsn: Oh? |
| 09:27.10 | shiin | is there an easy way to remove dotdeb packages from my system? |
| 09:27.23 | prsn | Stygia: during boot, i noticed that there was a message like "alsactl failed: [...] no sound cards found" |
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| 09:27.29 | Stygia | Hmm, yea. |
| 09:27.34 | prsn | Stygia: so that seems relevant :P |
| 09:27.35 | Stygia | Seems like you need to modprobe the right driver then. |
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| 09:28.50 | Stygia | prsn: modprobe snd? |
| 09:28.51 | prsn | Stygia: alright, how do i figure out what that is? |
| 09:29.00 | Stygia | prsn: I wish I could tell you my friend. |
| 09:29.02 | prsn | Stygia: no output |
| 09:29.10 | Stygia | prsn: speaker-test? |
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| 09:29.32 | prsn | Stygia: same errors |
| 09:29.41 | Stygia | prsn: try something like ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ | grep -i sound | less |
| 09:29.49 | Stygia | prsn: try finding one that seems relevant and modprobe it... |
| 09:30.04 | Stygia | prsn: I don't really have much more advice. I don't know what's up. But I'm no expert, try the debian forums. |
| 09:30.06 | prsn | Stygia: pasted that as is, was empty |
| 09:30.15 | prsn | wait |
| 09:30.18 | prsn | nvm lol |
| 09:31.06 | prsn | Stygia: ok that outputs things like /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/sound: |
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| 09:31.16 | prsn | Stygia: but that doesn't seem to be the right format |
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| 09:31.46 | Stygia | prsn: For me it lists a number of .ko files? |
| 09:31.53 | Stygia | prsn: ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ | grep -i snd | less |
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| 09:31.57 | Stygia | with ` being backtics? |
| 09:32.44 | prsn | Stygia: yeah, that worked better |
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| 09:33.03 | babilen | shiin: "aptitude purge ' |
| 09:33.03 | Stygia | prsn: I, by the way, have snd, snd_hda_intel, snd_hda_codec, snd_hda_codec_realtek and snd_hda_codec_hdmi as relevant snd modules |
| 09:33.13 | babilen | shiin: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" that is :) |
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| 09:33.51 | shiin | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 09:34.15 | prsn | Stygia: so snd-hda-codec-atihdmi seemed good. You're sure that speaker-test will change when i find the right one? |
| 09:34.36 | Stygia | prsn: No. But I believe it should stop throwing errors if you've loaded all the proper modules |
| 09:34.45 | Stygia | prsn: Note that it may be more than one module that matters |
| 09:34.48 | prsn | I see |
| 09:34.59 | Stygia | prsn: Also... don't modprobe each by turn, don't waste your time. Look for reasonable ones. |
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| 09:35.09 | Stygia | prsn: Like I said, I'm unsure of this issue |
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| 09:35.18 | Stygia | prsn: And I suggest you try the debian forums. |
| 09:35.19 | prsn | Stygia: could something bad happen if i just pipe the list to xargs modprobe? |
| 09:35.33 | Stygia | prsn: Almost certainly. |
| 09:35.43 | Stygia | prsn: I mean, nothing that wouldn't be fixed by a reboot, though. |
| 09:35.49 | Stygia | prsn: It's just modprobe. I hope I'm right anyway. |
| 09:36.00 | Stygia | prsn: Eh just try. |
| 09:36.06 | Stygia | Although... |
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| 09:36.19 | Stygia | modprobe probably won't load .so files, you'd need to sed them to s/\.so//g |
| 09:36.34 | Stygia | prsn: Uh, substitude .so with nothing |
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| 09:40.10 | yuhbud888 | he |
| 09:40.13 | yuhbud888 | =h[= |
| 09:40.21 | yuhbud888 | hello |
| 09:40.24 | AndIrc__ | he yuh |
| 09:40.34 | yuhbud888 | hey i liek windowz |
| 09:40.42 | yuhbud888 | steve ballmer iz da bestzz |
| 09:41.06 | yuhbud888 | i slept with steve ballmer |
| 09:41.12 | yuhbud888 | last night |
| 09:41.13 | AndIrc__ | yuh : thresnt abt windows |
| 09:41.20 | yuhbud888 | and i shoved my penis right up his ass |
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| 09:42.12 | yuhbud888 | are you all jealous? debian is a idiot |
| 09:42.17 | yuhbud888 | debian sucks |
| 09:42.24 | yuhbud888 | your kernal builds no stable |
| 09:42.28 | yuhbud888 | windowz ftw |
| 09:42.29 | histo | !ops | yuhbud888 |
| 09:42.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: histo complains about: | yuhbud888 |
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| 09:42.46 | histo | ty |
| 09:42.54 | shiin | awesome |
| 09:42.58 | vadimkolchev | nice person it was |
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| 09:43.15 | AndIrc__ | an idiot come |
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| 09:44.10 | format_c | histo: was that a bot command? |
| 09:44.23 | histo | format_c: yes to alert the ops |
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| 09:45.16 | format_c | histo: is there a documentation about the commands available in the channel? |
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| 09:45.46 | Stygia | !ops | yuhbud888 |
| 09:45.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: stygia complains about: | yuhbud888 |
| 09:45.56 | jelly | Stygia: please don't abuse it. |
| 09:46.16 | Stygia | jelly: Abuse it? I believe I was concuring with histo's vote. |
| 09:46.29 | Stygia | jelly: If I have misused it I am unaware how. |
| 09:46.33 | jelly | Stygia: it's not a vote. It's a call for intervation. |
| 09:46.38 | mumpitze1 | it's not a vote. it's an alert so ops can solve a problem |
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| 09:46.50 | jelly | intervention, even |
| 09:46.52 | Stygia | Ah yes, fair enough. So telling them one is sufficient. Gotcha. |
| 09:47.20 | babilen | Stygia: And I already acted on it -- There really was (and is) no need to invoke the factoid again and highlight all ops of this channel *again* |
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| 09:48.39 | Stygia | bablien: Alright, quite sorry. I haven't been on IRC in ages, still adjusting to the culture and commands. |
| 09:48.53 | babilen | sure, np |
| 09:50.28 | Stygia | bablien: I saw it as more of a 'will someone do something about person X' vote type thing. |
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| 09:52.29 | babilen | Stygia: Try "bab<TAB>" to tab-complete my (and other people's) nickname in here. What that factoid does is simply highlighting a number of people (operators in fact) so that they can act appropriately. There really is no need to invoke it more than once :) |
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| 09:53.19 | kristjans_ | Hi - Can someone help me I have Debian Wheezy w/ default Gnome 3 installation somehow everything became magnified, not sure what key I hit. Super + Scroll does nothing |
| 09:53.21 | Stygia | babilen: Duly noted. Won't happen again. |
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| 09:53.33 | Stygia | kristjans_: ctrl + 0? |
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| 09:54.14 | kristjans_ | Nope :( |
| 09:54.20 | jwilliams_ | with xrandr -q i get the screen resolution as http://paste.debian.net/9640/ |
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| 09:54.44 | jwilliams_ | how can i configure dual monitor as it seems the second one VGA1 is not presented (though cable is connected) |
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| 09:59.57 | Stygia | I'm having a minor issue. I'm on debian testing, amd64, XFCE. Whenever I connect my USB modem -managed via network-manager - it usually will fail to connect. It will take several restarts of network-manager and switching between ports (No pattern) to finally connect. Further, dmesg says something about a hardware error, which I suspect is unlikely as a high enough number of service restarts / plugging in the USB again fixes the issue. Any advi |
| 09:59.58 | Stygia | ce? |
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| 10:01.08 | kristjans_ | jwilliams, both monitors should show up w/ xrandr -q |
| 10:01.15 | dape | hello, is there a debian channel related to mirrors? |
| 10:01.47 | ChrisH | Stygia: what kind of USB modem? Paste the dmesg output to paste.debian.net please. |
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| 10:02.48 | Stygia | CrisH: One from '3', a Scandenavian provider, using a SIM from TDC, another scandenavian provider. Unfortunately, I cannot do so right this moment, since I am at work. But it says that a hardware error occured. |
| 10:03.57 | jwilliams_ | kristjans: does that mean my second monitor VGA1 doesn't correct connected to cable? |
| 10:04.16 | jwilliams_ | for xrandr only outputs VGA1 disconnected. |
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| 10:05.02 | Stygia | CrisH: I'll come back later with the info, but it's a pain to connect from home, which is why I try avoiding the modem. |
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| 10:05.38 | ChrisH | Stygia: So its an UMTS Modem. My built-in one does not work after hibernating the system. |
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| 10:23.12 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning guys |
| 10:24.14 | kristjans_ | Very nice morning indeed |
| 10:24.29 | acherion | not so nice night here i'm afraid :( |
| 10:25.24 | SOUL_OF_R00T | my broadband modem is detected in lsusb as modem but the drivers loades is usb_storaga any help to solve this? |
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| 10:25.47 | ChrisH | SOUL_OF_R00T: there is some usb_switch binary to fix that. |
| 10:26.09 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i am running wheezy appear it is instaled |
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| 10:27.08 | ChrisH | SOUL_OF_R00T: checked it is usb-modeswitch and that might need some config or newer config Bugtracking. |
| 10:27.29 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok |
| 10:27.57 | ChrisH | This usv_mass_storage is to offer the WIndows driver to reduce the number of hotline calls :) |
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| 10:33.53 | Nirvash | Anyone know of a faster way to zero drives than DBAN? |
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| 10:35.56 | ChrisH | Nirvash: what is DBAN? I normally run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DISK bs=1024M before Disks go away. |
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| 10:36.21 | cusco | dban is like: shred -z -n5 /dev/something |
| 10:36.28 | Nirvash | ChrisH: Derik's Boot and Nuke. I have to have a liveCD/USB that loads quickly and can zero drives |
| 10:36.41 | Nirvash | I tried GRML, but it takes too long since it loads a ton of stuff |
| 10:37.12 | ChrisH | wonders why to boot something to zero disks is needed. |
| 10:37.28 | Nirvash | How else would you zero a disk? 0_o |
| 10:37.58 | cusco | shred |
| 10:38.07 | cusco | shred -z writes zeroes... |
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| 10:38.22 | Nirvash | Linux is required to run shred right? |
| 10:38.33 | Nirvash | These computers have no HDDs |
| 10:38.46 | Nirvash | They're only used to hot-connect the drives and wipe |
| 10:38.47 | ChrisH | Nirvash: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DISK bs=1024M on the system where the disk is avaliable. |
| 10:38.50 | Nirvash | Hence the need for live |
| 10:39.10 | Nirvash | ChrisH: I've been using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 |
| 10:39.26 | Nirvash | The problem is I need a fast-loading live environment that gives me a terminal |
| 10:39.56 | ChrisH | Nirvash: you want to use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (I assume you want to wipe the Disk not a partition) |
| 10:40.08 | ChrisH | Debian Live onto an USB Stick? |
| 10:40.20 | Nirvash | Deb Live takes too long to load |
| 10:40.36 | Nirvash | I need like 2-5 second load time (like DBAN) only I need a plain terminal ;__; |
| 10:40.41 | themill | nuking the drive is going to take far longer than starting any environment |
| 10:40.42 | Nirvash | And yeah sda lol |
| 10:40.48 | babilen | Nirvash: Then please tell us what this has to do with Debian .. I don't quite see the connection. |
| 10:41.19 | themill | (also d-live shouldn't take more than a few seconds to start) |
| 10:41.23 | Nirvash | I was wondering if there was a tool like GRML which is Debian-based which has an extremely fast load time, initializes nothing, and only displays a basic terminal |
| 10:41.24 | ChrisH | Nirvash: so your Q is not how to zero the Disk but - how do I boot debian in 5sec into a shell |
| 10:41.37 | babilen | Nirvash: And you should be able to use any live CD you want. You seem to already be aware of a number of excellent live CDs one of them even seems to be specifically designed for this purpose |
| 10:41.37 | Nirvash | ChrisH: Yeah |
| 10:41.43 | themill | Nirvash: so yes, grml or d-live. |
| 10:42.16 | Nirvash | babilen: It's all about load time like I said; there's no transparency with DBAN and I don't like that either |
| 10:42.22 | Nirvash | themill: GRML takes aroundn 2 minutes to load =/ |
| 10:42.35 | themill | it what? |
| 10:42.53 | Nirvash | Yeah, it initializes a lot of stuff, checks the environment, etc. and goes through this huge load process |
| 10:43.04 | themill | has never seen it do that |
| 10:43.15 | jpinx | heh - even plain ol' debian loads faster than that |
| 10:43.30 | Nirvash | =/ Really? It goes through maybe 40+ things in the terminal after you select that you want to boot |
| 10:44.00 | jpinx | Nirvash: depends on what it ahs to check or if it forces an fsck |
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| 10:44.24 | Nirvash | Yeah; I just need a terminal |
| 10:45.06 | jpinx | Nirvash: my debian live on an SD card takes about 10 seconds to boot toa terminal |
| 10:45.37 | Nirvash | jpinx: Teach me wise one |
| 10:45.39 | Nirvash | bows |
| 10:46.08 | Nirvash | Do you have anything specific for it? |
| 10:46.13 | Nirvash | Or a link to the install you used? |
| 10:46.22 | jpinx | er - download debian live of your chocice and burn it onto the sd card |
| 10:46.29 | Nirvash | Well damn lol |
| 10:46.47 | Nirvash | I'm multitasking like a boss which is why i'm distracted |
| 10:46.48 | milligan | Wizard, I ended up using Sql Developer from Oracle instead. Worked pretty nicely :) |
| 10:47.16 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i already have created de rules file for udev work with modeswitch for my broadband modem and no results |
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| 10:47.42 | Nirvash | jpinx: Is i386-rescue without startx? |
| 10:48.07 | jpinx | mine is old - it fits on the 512 card |
| 10:48.33 | Nirvash | I just want th elighest iso possible that will boot directly to a terminal |
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| 10:48.54 | jpinx | Nirvash: nfc - never used a rescue :) |
| 10:49.06 | Nirvash | nfc? |
| 10:49.16 | jpinx | no fscking clue |
| 10:49.39 | Nirvash | -_- All Deb loads to terminal and you have to initialize X with startx, don't you? |
| 10:49.42 | prsn | I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade while following the steps in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html to go from squeeze->wheezy |
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| 10:49.48 | prsn | it ended in 'E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)' |
| 10:49.52 | jpinx | my 512Mb lice SD card has rescued me a few times |
| 10:49.55 | prsn | did the rest of it succeed? |
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| 10:50.02 | prsn | should I just restart, or what? |
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| 10:52.02 | jpinx | Nirvash: I believe there is a # for debian-live |
| 10:52.03 | themill | dpkg: tell prsn about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 10:52.23 | [E]sc | gnome-panel keeps loading up like 10 panels, yet i can't access the menu, i'm running wheezy, gdm3 any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 10:53.15 | ChrisH | prsn: if you read some lines until 4.5.1 ... |
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| 10:54.08 | Wizard | Whoa, Qt5 is still in experimental? |
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| 10:56.03 | themill | Wizard: sure. It's a lot of work to get it ready for upload to sid. |
| 10:57.38 | Wizard | K, so I'll probably stick to Qt4 in my app and eventually port in to Qt5 when the time will come ;D |
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| 11:09.20 | tMH | ppl, I created user, used nologin as shell for him, changed passwd but - debian won't me to login via ftp. login incorrect. how to fix that, please tell me ? |
| 11:09.50 | ksk | is nologin a valid shell? |
| 11:10.13 | tMH | hm. |
| 11:10.17 | ksk | iirc the shell you give an ftp-user needs to be in /etc/shells |
| 11:10.27 | tMH | not listed.. |
| 11:10.34 | tMH | let me list it in there. |
| 11:11.18 | tMH | heck. |
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| 11:11.40 | tMH | fscking locale does not want to switch for ftp messages.. |
| 11:11.46 | tMH | heck.. |
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| 11:13.03 | mumpitze1 | tMH: my nonshell accounts have /bin/false there. not in /etc/shells either but afaik it works |
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| 11:14.36 | tMH | mumpitze1 - no matter |
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| 11:14.47 | tMH | set /bin/false, or /bin/nologin - error 530. |
| 11:15.13 | tMH | and because system locale is UTF8 (FUCK THE UTF!!!) I cannot understand what this moronic debian wants from me |
| 11:15.22 | tMH | google shows _several_ versions of error 530. |
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| 11:15.48 | tMH | why ppl won't to install ubuntu, I don't get it.. |
| 11:16.07 | ksk | you blame debian for not being able to configure your ftp daemon? cmon |
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| 11:16.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ChrisH, my modem has detected has a usb_storage driver |
| 11:16.33 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try edit udev rules but no solved |
| 11:16.52 | mumpitze1 | tMH: ftp:x:107:65534::/home/ftp:/bin/false works as intended |
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| 11:17.08 | babilen | SOUL_OF_R00T: Use usb modeswitch to "switch" it |
| 11:17.13 | tMH | ksk: it was not me who installed the sistem and ftpd;) |
| 11:17.16 | mumpitze1 | and I never ever had to edit it. debian put it in there when I installed an ftp server |
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| 11:17.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell SOUL_OF_R00T -about usbmodeswitch |
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| 11:18.29 | tMH | mumpitze1 - still no luck.. |
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| 11:19.52 | tMH | 530.. |
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| 11:22.31 | tMH | aha! |
| 11:22.32 | tMH | (Login failed): Invalid shell: '/bin/false' |
| 11:22.37 | tMH | it does not want /bin/false |
| 11:22.43 | tMH | should I add it to /etc/shells then |
| 11:22.45 | tMH | ? |
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| 11:23.22 | Iridos | no |
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| 11:24.04 | tMH | 230! |
| 11:24.09 | tMH | iridos: yes |
| 11:24.13 | tMH | no is wrong answer;) |
| 11:24.20 | tMH | ok, thanks everyone:) |
| 11:24.23 | tMH | good day! |
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| 11:25.00 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 11:29.45 | Iridos | of course, he never said what ftp server it is |
| 11:29.56 | Iridos | because who'd want to know boring technical details like that... |
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| 11:31.17 | Iridos | and it'd be impossible to find this thread from 2007 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=58543 |
| 11:31.33 | Iridos | anyway, seems you do add e.g. /dev/null to the allowed shells |
| 11:31.45 | ChrisH | [4031181.141513] sd 0:0:3:0: [sdd] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). |
| 11:31.54 | ChrisH | Funny line from dmesg |
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| 11:37.58 | Anticom | hi all |
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| 11:39.53 | Anticom | i want to set up a cron job that removes files in a tmp dir that have a certain age. our sys admin gave me this snippet http://pastebin.com/jxbNrJs2 from an existing cron job and told me to modify it. sadly i don't get all of it. Could please someone explain the options set there? |
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| 11:40.27 | ChrisH | Anticom: man find will explain all options. |
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| 11:41.19 | Anticom | ChrisH i searched for atime in the man but didn't get any documentation on that. it was only mentioned under "-daystart" |
| 11:41.27 | Anticom | but wasn't realy explained |
| 11:41.37 | Section58 | yo |
| 11:41.44 | Anticom | same applies to -type |
| 11:42.11 | Anticom | and i don't get, what the "{} \;" does |
| 11:43.13 | Anticom | and why is it done with "-exec rm -f" and not "| rm -f" ? is there any difference |
| 11:43.14 | Anticom | ? |
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| 11:43.57 | ChrisH | Anticom: did you search man find using /atime ? |
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| 11:44.09 | Anticom | ChrisH that's exactly what i just said |
| 11:44.23 | Anticom | ChrisH here's the online version of the man pages: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?find |
| 11:44.27 | Anticom | search for -atime |
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| 11:46.29 | Jarris | hey, i got a server with rootfs mounted at / and i did cp everything to a lv and did change the /etc/fstab entry. but after update initramfs and reboot, nothing changed.. what is my mistake? thx in advance |
| 11:46.38 | ChrisH | Anticom: I still cannot follow you. in the link you gave, eg. -type and -atime is properly explained. (under TESTS) And at the bottom its shows examples using xargs (my prefered may) and -exec {} |
| 11:46.56 | mumpitze1 | Jarris: you need to tell the kernel the new / |
| 11:47.12 | Jarris | mumpitze1: how ? |
| 11:47.32 | mumpitze1 | editing your grub.cfg |
| 11:47.42 | mumpitze1 | and your initramfs both probably |
| 11:48.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ChrisH, yesterday i connect but de device id in lsudb has changed |
| 11:48.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | why? |
| 11:48.47 | SOUL_OF_R00T | now i can connect |
| 11:49.17 | Jarris | mumpitze1: u are rigth -.- thanks for that hint ! |
| 11:49.59 | ChrisH | SOUL_OF_R00T: did you read what dpkg told you about usbmodeswitch? |
| 11:50.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | yes |
| 11:50.43 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but i have conf. the modem yesterday edited rules for udev and connect with success |
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| 11:51.00 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but today the product id on lsusb has changed |
| 11:51.18 | Anticom | ChrisH oh, i didn't see the stuff at the end. thought i searched the whole man page before. however i still don't get the "{} \;" |
| 11:51.44 | ChrisH | Anticom: Once more check for EXAMPLES |
| 11:51.54 | Anticom | did |
| 11:51.59 | Anticom | but still don't get it |
| 11:52.11 | ChrisH | SOUL_OF_R00T: Thats what usemodeswitch does... |
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| 11:52.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but the strange is the device product id on lusb change |
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| 11:52.58 | ChrisH | Anticom: find . -type f -exec file '{}' \; is explained in your link |
| 11:53.29 | Anticom | ChrisH that's what i've just read for the 3rd time now |
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| 11:57.16 | ChrisH | Anticom: OK. -exec X '{}' \; will run as command "X some-filename" for all files your find tests did locate. like find /tmp -atime +4 -exec ls -ld '{}' \; will show all files no longer accessed for 4 days or longer. if you add -type f you can remove the d from ls options. as it will only show files nothing else. Is that more understandable? |
| 11:58.04 | Anticom | ChrisH well i got the other stuff now. i just don't get, why the '{}' \; is needed and what would happen if i left it out |
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| 11:58.38 | ksk | {} is the filename (differnt each "iteration") |
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| 11:58.50 | Anticom | ah okay |
| 11:58.51 | Anticom | thx |
| 11:58.57 | Anticom | all i wanted to know :) |
| 11:59.09 | ksk | and the semicolon is needed to end the "exec" part of find, the backslash is needed to escape the semicolon, otherwhise the shell(bash) would "take" it |
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| 11:59.11 | Anticom | ksk so it's some kind of variable placeholder? |
| 11:59.21 | ksk | for find, yes. |
| 11:59.26 | Anticom | cheers =) |
| 11:59.41 | ChrisH | if you forget it, it will result in an error. if the command can take more arguments at one time, -print0 and xargs is an alternative. |
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| 12:04.38 | abrotman | i bet this is in the man page .. |
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| 12:06.36 | ChrisH | abrotman: I do not bet against you. |
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| 12:23.05 | zoplrdb | Hello. So the installation CD installs GNOME when you select KDE graphical install |
| 12:23.07 | zoplrdb | Why? |
| 12:23.50 | babilen | Which image and how did you select it? |
| 12:24.20 | jelly | ,v postfix |
| 12:24.22 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.0-3; sid: 2.10.0-3 |
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| 12:24.44 | zoplrdb | babilen: Wheezy CD 1 |
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| 12:25.00 | babilen | zoplrdb: And you picked the KDE CD1? |
| 12:25.12 | zoplrdb | In the initial bootup you see install/graphical install, then select advanced options, different desktops, KDE |
| 12:25.45 | zoplrdb | There is no KDE CD for download |
| 12:25.55 | zoplrdb | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 12:26.14 | babilen | Ah, okay .. I guess that very few people don't download the KDE CD1 if they want to install KDE from CD1 - Nonetheless the installer should function like a normal netinstall installer in that case (but then it really doesn't make sense to use CD1) |
| 12:26.31 | zoplrdb | Iäm downloading kde-full with apt-get, hopefully it should go OK |
| 12:27.21 | babilen | zoplrdb: Sure there is: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ -- But you can also use a netinstall image (optionally with firmware) if you have a working internet connection during the installation |
| 12:27.45 | zoplrdb | Ah OK, that was the problem then |
| 12:27.58 | babilen | zoplrdb: Torrents are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 12:28.49 | zoplrdb | babilen: You think I should reinstall with KDE image, or download kde-full with the currently installed GNOME? |
| 12:28.55 | babilen | You probably want to download firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it on a USB stick if you use those images. |
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| 12:29.37 | babilen | zoplrdb: Both are valid options -- simply installing KDE is probably easier and more appropriate (you can also remove gnome if you wish to do that) |
| 12:29.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell zoplrdb -about install kde |
| 12:30.11 | drAI | zoplrdb, check -->http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 12:31.04 | zoplrdb | Yeah I see it, also one thing: dpkg "To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".", does that mean that I wsas right that the installation was buggy? |
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| 12:32.45 | tgs3 | can net install complete without net, leaving some minimal system with bash and nano? |
| 12:33.56 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 12:34.54 | babilen | zoplrdb: Yes, you are right (I said as much already) -- Feel free to report a bug. All I was saying is that almost all users who want to install KDE and who also pick CD1 would pick the KDE CD1 and not the Gnome CD1. |
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| 12:39.59 | olivier_bK | do you know how i can create system user without password ? |
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| 12:41.28 | zoplrdb | Which command displays all partitions/etc with their UIDS? |
| 12:41.49 | mumpitze1 | olivier_bK: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+create+a+user+without+password first hit linuxquestions.org |
| 12:41.56 | mumpitze1 | zoplrdb: blkid ? |
| 12:42.02 | zoplrdb | Ah, yeah that |
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| 12:47.59 | sssilver_ | Hi guys, I wanna install Debian, but I choose to be on the unstable channel.... do I just proceed with installing the stable, then somehow switch? |
| 12:48.01 | sssilver_ | thanks much |
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| 12:48.33 | mumpitze1 | yes. and you shouldn't use unstable |
| 12:49.16 | sssilver_ | mumpitze1: why not? |
| 12:49.54 | ChrisH | sssilver_: Why do you want to run unstable? |
| 12:49.57 | mumpitze1 | cause you don't know enough to use it. it will break, often |
| 12:50.19 | mumpitze1 | and usually, what you want to achieve can be gotten differently, in another way |
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| 12:50.37 | Chehri | mumpitze1: to be fair it doesn't break that often |
| 12:50.49 | Chehri | but no, it is not nearly as stable as the stable release (no duh) |
| 12:51.10 | Chehri | sssilver_: What was your reason for picking unstable? |
| 12:51.24 | sssilver_ | well it's my PC, and I'm not running any critical applications on it, so I'm willing to sacrifice some stability for running newer software |
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| 12:51.59 | sssilver_ | I'd actually love to have some sort of a rolling-release debian install |
| 12:52.08 | drhouse123 | hi! how i can disable -Werror=format-security for building some qt project? |
| 12:53.02 | sssilver_ | I've been living with Gentoo's unstable channel for the past 5 years, I think I will be able to survive Debian |
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| 12:54.14 | mumpitze1 | sssilver_: use testing if you really really must then |
| 12:54.40 | sssilver_ | mumpitze1: does it go stable > testing > unstable ? |
| 12:55.50 | mumpitze1 | go in what way? |
| 12:56.09 | sssilver_ | in way of more stable to less stable |
| 12:56.32 | zoplrdb | Will debian switch to systemd? |
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| 12:58.52 | mongaj | zoplrdb: My opinion: once it is stable, yes |
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| 13:02.02 | abrotman | zoplrdb: no one knows yet |
| 13:02.06 | babilen | sssilver_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 13:02.33 | sssilver_ | thanks for sharing babilen |
| 13:02.35 | sssilver_ | makes sense now |
| 13:02.45 | sssilver_ | that's awesome |
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| 13:04.18 | Serpiente | till when will 7.0 be supported? |
| 13:04.37 | jelly | Serpiente: 12 months after next release is out |
| 13:05.04 | Serpiente | jelly: when will 8 come out aprx? how long did the development from 6 to 7 take? |
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| 13:05.38 | mumpitze1 | Serpiente: usually 18 to 24 months |
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| 13:05.40 | jelly | Serpiente: past performance is no indication of future developments. See /msg dpkg release history |
| 13:05.48 | namoamitabuddha | Is kfreebsd still a technology preview? |
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| 13:06.29 | Serpiente | jelly: thanks. using 7 should cover at least 2,5 years from now |
| 13:07.10 | jelly | Serpiente: yeah, unless debian decides to move its collective arse and starts releasing yearly, which IN THEORY could happen |
| 13:07.46 | Serpiente | well. 2014 will be the next ubuntu lts release going to switch to it nevertheless as soon as it's available *gg |
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| 13:09.58 | jelly | dpkg, no art is http://wiki.debian.org/AlwaysReleasableTesting |
| 13:09.59 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 13:10.21 | sssilver_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.44 | Jarris | can u tell me whats the reasen for: |
| 13:11.46 | Jarris | "rootfs 9.9G 809M 8.6G 9% / |
| 13:11.46 | Jarris | /dev/mapper/vg0-root 9.9G 809M 8.6G 9% /" |
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| 13:13.07 | jelly | Jarris: side effect of how debian brings up root fs in initramfs. Expected on wheezy. |
| 13:13.16 | babilen | sssilver_: I would also look into testing and running a testing/unstable mix as detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" -- Please be advised that you have to familiarise yourself with Debian and its packaging system on a deep level. Read http://debian-handbook.info/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ along with the new maintainer's guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 13:13.48 | Jarris | jelly: so this is normal to all wheezy-systems |
| 13:13.55 | jelly | Jarris: yes |
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| 13:14.31 | jelly | Jarris: unless for some reason they still have a separate /etc/mtab instead of it just being a symlink to /proc/mounts |
| 13:14.49 | Jarris | jelly: can u lead me to any further inforamtion? |
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| 13:15.03 | jelly | Jarris: sorry, I don't have any references nearby |
| 13:15.15 | Jarris | jelly: thx anyway :) |
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| 13:16.13 | phorce1 | Rough idea of where to start poking when I'm seeing transfer rates of 8MB/sec from a squeeze box to a FreeNAS box through a GigE switch? I have a bit under 2TB to move to the new NAS and at that speed it'll take 4 or 5 days. {sigh} |
| 13:16.26 | jelly | Jarris: perhaps see http://bugs.debian.org/653073 and http://bugs.debian.org/697487 |
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| 13:17.45 | jelly | phorce1: which protocol? |
| 13:18.05 | jelly | nfs? v3? v4? samba? sshfs? :-) |
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| 13:18.37 | jelly | phorce1: nbd gives me 90MB/s ;-) |
| 13:18.40 | format_c | phorce1: sounds like a badnwidth of 100Mbps. Maybe the interface of the NAS only supports 100Mbps or is configured to use only 100 Mbps |
| 13:18.41 | phorce1 | jelly: samba ... the NAS has to be a samba share due to its intended purpose |
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| 13:20.16 | Jarris | jelly: thanks, was a good explanation in bug number two :) |
| 13:20.28 | jelly | phorce1: are rsize= and wsize= mount options set adequately large? |
| 13:21.05 | phorce1 | format_c: media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex,master>) |
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| 13:23.51 | Nomen_Omen | sorry |
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| 13:24.01 | zoplrdb | What happens with two identical lines in fstab? |
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| 13:24.21 | ksk | zoplrdb: it _should_ say sth like "already mounted" |
| 13:24.27 | phorce1 | jelly: on the freeNAS box? I'm unfamiliar with freebsd and have done all configure through the web interface after booting from their stock image written to a USB stick |
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| 13:25.14 | jelly | phorce1: mount options are client side |
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| 13:25.51 | jelly | phorce1: see mount.cifs(8) |
| 13:27.32 | format_c | phorce1: have you monitored the CPU utilization during tranfer. AFAIK samba can generate quite alot of processing pressure. |
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| 13:29.17 | phorce1 | jelly: ahhh, I'm being lazy after having been messing with this a couple of days. I just clicked on the NAS in nautilus and did a drag-drop for testing |
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| 13:30.11 | phorce1 | format_c: cpu usage on the NAS hasn't gone over 125% during the transfer (the NAS reports 2 CPUs as 200% rather than listing them separately) |
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| 13:35.57 | jelly | phorce1: if the smb server is single threaded over there, 100% would mean a cpu bottleneck |
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| 13:42.16 | betim | hi, how can I remove a repository which is not in sources.list (in this example: opera) |
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| 13:42.30 | phorce1 | jelly: I'm still googling around messing with it. Still need to put more RAM in the box (1GB currently). Older Athlon64 CPU running the FreeNAS x64 kernel |
| 13:42.42 | mumpitze1 | betim: remove what's not there? |
| 13:42.48 | jelly | Jarris: the poor souls not having root on lvm and up with those horrible /dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid paths in df |
| 13:42.51 | jelly | end* up |
| 13:43.14 | jelly | so consider yourself lucky! |
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| 13:43.29 | betim | mumpitze1, the point is, when I run apt-get update it tries to fetch opera, even though it's not in sources.list |
| 13:43.46 | Jarris | jelly: did change it from that just a few hours ago :D |
| 13:43.52 | mumpitze1 | check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 13:45.28 | HelenaKitty | hello |
| 13:45.30 | HelenaKitty | okay |
| 13:46.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys how the heck do i make my kindle mount?!?! |
| 13:46.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | it wont show up at all in /dev/ |
| 13:46.18 | HelenaKitty | Lets say I have an i686 that can boot from USB and an i386 with no way to plug in a keyboard/mouse, no disc drive and only a floppy drive |
| 13:46.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got it on lsusb though. what buttons do i have to push to make it work, its being a pita |
| 13:46.43 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 13:46.44 | HelenaKitty | How would I install an i386 version of Debian onto a hard drive for the i386 using an i686? |
| 13:46.50 | betim | mumpitze1, now I see, cheers :) |
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| 13:47.10 | HelenaKitty | I know that Debian installer reads the CPU architecture. |
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| 13:47.46 | jelly | HelenaKitty: debian does not support i386 cpus any more; I'm not sure it works on real 80486 either |
| 13:47.53 | HelenaKitty | jelly: I know |
| 13:48.01 | HelenaKitty | but I am talking about an older version of Debian |
| 13:48.08 | jelly | HelenaKitty: which older version? |
| 13:48.18 | AimHere | Is it Debian that doesn't support it or just Linux? Would Debian/NetBSD work? |
| 13:48.21 | HelenaKitty | jelly: Which ever version maximum supports i386 |
| 13:48.27 | nickdaly | is irc.oftc down for anybody else? |
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| 13:49.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | no |
| 13:49.05 | jelly | HelenaKitty: versions that old (I'm guessing here: debian 4.0, etch, or even older) don't do automatic kernel flavor detection |
| 13:49.13 | phorce1 | nickdaly: I'm seeing traffic in my OFTC window |
| 13:49.21 | format_c | phorce1: hopefully you work it out within 4-5 days :-) |
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| 13:49.41 | format_c | otherwize you could have it transfered with 8MB/s |
| 13:49.52 | phorce1 | nickdaly: (well, actually that was about 30 minutes ago) |
| 13:49.56 | jelly | HelenaKitty: one used to end up with a default non-smp kernel there after a netinst |
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| 13:50.00 | HelenaKitty | jelly: So I can just use the i686 to install Etch onto the hard drive then put that hard drive into the i386? I would be accessing the OS from the i386 via UART. |
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| 13:50.26 | nickdaly | thanks, I haven't been able to connect in seven hours, i'll just try restarting irc |
| 13:51.01 | jelly | HelenaKitty: pretty much, yes. Even if it installs a -686 or whatever flavor, you can remove that, install a -386 kernel and make sure it boots |
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| 13:51.12 | phorce1 | format_c: It's for a home media server. How long it takes me to get it working is irrelevant. How long it takes me to reload it in the future if I make changes is more important. <heh> |
| 13:51.17 | HelenaKitty | okies :3 |
| 13:51.20 | HelenaKitty | jelly: Thnx! :D |
| 13:51.44 | HelenaKitty | yeah I am aware of linux distros and finally Linux itself dropping support for i386. |
| 13:52.13 | jelly | HelenaKitty: with hardware that old, you might have other issues like having to use a separate /boot and fit it in the first 2GB of disk if you use LILO |
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| 13:52.36 | jelly | grub would be more forgiving if it worked |
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| 13:59.04 | HelenaKitty | Where can I download a Debian Etch ISO? |
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| 13:59.40 | themill | HelenaKitty: /msg dpkg install etch; I'm not sure that etch supported i386 either. |
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| 14:03.50 | tharkun | IIRC last one to support i386 was sarge. But I wouldn't bet on me recalling that correctly |
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| 14:04.43 | petn-randall | I'm not sure if a current Debian even runs on i386 because of the memory requirements. |
| 14:05.02 | petn-randall | What's the most you can stuff into a 80386? 8 MB RAM? |
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| 14:08.54 | jhutchins_wk | There have been some projects that attempted to derive a modern OS that will run on fairly old hardware, rather than having to resort to old versions. |
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| 14:11.11 | abrotman | !elks |
| 14:11.11 | dpkg | it has been said that elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | runs |
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| 14:11.30 | _clx | hi |
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| 14:13.28 | new[] | Is there a way to get GL3 on GMA X3000 ? |
| 14:15.28 | _clx | I need to turn on java into chromium (on debian), but i don't succeed... any help? |
| 14:16.13 | uovobw | _clx: version of both? packages? i have java running on my sid |
| 14:16.17 | babilen | _clx: Install icedtea-6-plugin and be done with it |
| 14:16.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell _clx -about install java |
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| 14:22.21 | _clx | iced-6-plugins seems to have resolved the problem :) thanks uovobw and babilen |
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| 14:23.34 | ChrisH | petn-randall: its more a matter of mainboard. more is possible. |
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| 14:24.07 | Hans_Henrik | i have some files that will be generated by a program that may crash or exit without cleaning up (go figure), and it will create a lot of files, those files never need to live for more than.. 5 minutes, anyway. (if it does live for 5 minutes, means something wrong happend with the program); is there anything in debian i can use to auto-delete files that are too old? |
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| 14:25.38 | frostschutz | Hans_Henrik, find can find files by modification date and delete |
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| 14:26.14 | jelly | Hans_Henrik: a simple cron job using find, -mmin option and -delete action |
| 14:26.37 | frostschutz | Hans_Henrik, how large files are we talking? if it's not large you could do it all in memory, and never write files in the first place |
| 14:27.43 | frostschutz | not sure if you could make something like aufs flip back and forth between to ramdisks and make a new one every 5 minutes... |
| 14:27.45 | Hans_Henrik | i need to pass the files to gcc for processing, so that would be hard (not impossible, but hard) |
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| 14:28.23 | Hans_Henrik | wonder if i can give GCC a file handle ID and tell gcc to "use this file handle!" |
| 14:28.42 | Hans_Henrik | then i could just use in ram/tmpfile()/whatever |
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| 14:31.35 | HelenaKitty | !dpkg install 3.0 |
| 14:31.39 | HelenaKitty | ... |
| 14:31.44 | HelenaKitty | dpkg install 3.0 |
| 14:31.46 | HelenaKitty | ... |
| 14:31.48 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 14:32.03 | ChrisH | Hans_Henrik: check man gcc for TMPDIR or similar ENV |
| 14:32.05 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
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| 14:32.12 | HelenaKitty | I asked for Debian 3.0! |
| 14:32.13 | HelenaKitty | O.o |
| 14:32.19 | HelenaKitty | then I get a sentence |
| 14:32.20 | themill | HelenaKitty: please /msg dpkg. You've been told before. |
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| 14:32.28 | HelenaKitty | oh okies |
| 14:32.29 | HelenaKitty | sowi |
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| 14:35.48 | Hans_Henrik | ChrisH, "ngladitz"@#gcc suggested i make gcc write to stdout, and redirect stdout to my handle, i think i can do that ^^ |
| 14:36.14 | strixbg | hey all |
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| 14:39.21 | phorce1 | jelly: rsize/wsize of 16384 dropped me back to 4MB/sec I'll keep playing with optimizing that for a while since it *DID* cause a change |
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| 14:40.21 | jelly | phorce1: if the default is larger, leave it at that. 3.2 kernel from wheezy seems to default to 60-64K which is decent |
| 14:40.50 | jelly | phorce1: and I guess ask the freenas people about the cpu usage |
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| 14:41.26 | phorce1 | jelly: 65536 also showed me at 4MB/sec. And this is still a squeeze box with 2.6.32 |
| 14:42.39 | strixbg | have trouble with bluetooth. Debian 7 netinstall, fresh install, laptop - HP 4530s, WiFi/Bluetooth - Atheros AR9285. Bluetooth is disabled. So far I tried installing bluez-firmware and ar3011-dkms_1.1ryu2.3_all.deb from this thread - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/714862, both no go. Any ideas? |
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| 14:43.03 | phorce1 | jelly: and I'm watching the CPU chart while a ransfer is running --- under 40% |
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| 14:50.22 | dimitry7 | Hi all. Where do I configure my proxy in Debian Wheezy? |
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| 14:51.33 | dimitry7 | from console.. |
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| 14:51.43 | ChrisH | phorce1: NFS V3 or V3 ? TCP or UDP? |
| 14:51.50 | ChrisH | phorce1: NFS V3 or V4 ? TCP or UDP? |
| 14:52.21 | phorce1 | ChrisH: samba --- tcp |
| 14:52.32 | jelly | slow ChrisH is slow |
| 14:52.46 | ChrisH | strixbg: is rfkill showing expected output? |
| 14:53.17 | dimitry7 | Hi all. Where do I configure my proxy in Debian Wheezy? |
| 14:53.45 | strixbg | ChrisH: rfkill: no such command |
| 14:54.10 | phorce1 | jelly: the mount.cifs defaults appear to be rsize=16384,wsize=57344 |
| 14:54.13 | dimitry7 | strixbg, # apt-get install rfkill |
| 14:54.52 | ChrisH | jelly: ACK, but running NFS over UDP with rsize,wsize at 64k over eg. Cisco switches (3/4 of their memory was reserved for TCP traffic in default setup) can slow down extrem. |
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| 14:55.15 | jelly | phorce1: man page suggests there's some negotiation going on if both ends support unix extensions (= samba) |
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| 14:56.02 | jelly | ChrisH: inferior hardware! |
| 14:56.04 | phorce1 | jelly: and they appear to leave me at about 5MB/sec. I need to remount through nautilus and see what /proc/mounts says it is using |
| 14:56.04 | jelly | hides |
| 14:56.16 | jelly | phorce1: both ways? |
| 14:57.38 | ChrisH | jelly: It's simply what I learned over the years. |
| 14:57.47 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have an NFS server with 100 clients which only write about 50MB once a minute. The load on the server is pretty high (about 20). Is this to be expected? |
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| 14:58.12 | phorce1 | jelly: just playing with the copy-to-the-NAS speed right now |
| 14:58.14 | no_gravity | Hello! When I do "apt-get upgrade" I get "The following packages have been kept back: iceweasel" why? |
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| 14:58.56 | jelly | phorce1: does iperf give anything more? |
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| 15:00.41 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: load can mean outstanding IO. run atop as root and checked for colored lines |
| 15:01.00 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: thanks i'll take a look |
| 15:01.09 | c0n | playing around with expert install and crypt, getting the msg "lvm2 not found in modules.dep" |
| 15:01.33 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: what do the colored lines tell me? |
| 15:01.52 | FilipeMaia | I have one blue colored line |
| 15:01.53 | FilipeMaia | PAG | scan 3743e5 | stall 0 | | swin 71483 | swout 34008 |
| 15:01.54 | nack | I start off with about 200mb use, then I do stuff and it rises, then I close the programs, and it doesn't get down back to 200mb |
| 15:02.16 | FilipeMaia | Now I have a few red ones |
| 15:02.19 | phorce1 | jelly: hmpf --- opening through nautilus doesn't put it in /proc/mounts --- it does, however, allow the copy to ramp back up to 8MB/sec |
| 15:02.31 | phorce1 | jelly: iperf? |
| 15:02.35 | jelly | iperf! |
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| 15:02.54 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: LVM and DSK were at 98% busy |
| 15:03.10 | jelly | phorce1: a simple bw tester for tcp and udp |
| 15:03.32 | strixbg | ChrisH: no blocked devices with rfkill list |
| 15:03.48 | phorce1 | jelly: aptinstalling now |
| 15:03.58 | jelly | phorce1: and both ends |
| 15:04.00 | jelly | at* |
| 15:05.15 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: looks like your system does not have enough memory and/or swap. |
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| 15:05.33 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: can you show me atop output on paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:05.59 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: sure, I'll wait until I get the red lines back |
| 15:06.03 | dimitry7 | Hi all. Where do I configure my proxy in Debian Wheezy? |
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| 15:06.14 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: BTW what Network cards is in? Is there something unexpected in dmesg? |
| 15:06.38 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: 1 infiniband (which I believe is not used) one 10G and 2x1G |
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| 15:06.46 | FilipeMaia | ChrisH: nothing too strange in dmesg |
| 15:07.45 | FilipeMaia | The only slightly interesting is the following bust of messages: |
| 15:07.46 | FilipeMaia | mpt2sas0: log_info(0x3112010c): originator(PL), code(0x12), sub_code(0x010c) |
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| 15:09.06 | phorce1 | jelly: gotta figure out how to install something "extra" on the FreeNAS image |
| 15:09.08 | FilipeMaia | http://paste.debian.net/9696/ |
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| 15:10.47 | phorce1 | jelly: nevermind, already installed. Reading the manpage now |
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| 15:11.56 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: check line 4 - free 311.2M = press M or m in atop to sort the processes on memory usage. |
| 15:12.34 | FilipeMaia | I don't see anything above 0% |
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| 15:12.55 | FilipeMaia | won't the memory be used for caching? |
| 15:13.29 | FilipeMaia | cache 25.9G? |
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| 15:15.46 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: you are right, overlooked that G :) |
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| 15:20.43 | palo_ | I upgraded from wheezy to jessie (changed sources.list, update dist-upgrade). iceweasels pentadactyl plugin does not work, so i removed iceweasel, but now i get when i do #> aptitude install iceweasel => No candidate version found for iceweasel |
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| 15:21.23 | palo_ | forgot to read the motd... |
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| 15:24.19 | joncrunchbang | palo_: you forgot to change apt. |
| 15:24.33 | joncrunchbang | *apt pinning i should say. |
| 15:24.52 | phorce1 | jelly: 11MB/sec from iperf regardless of which is the client. samba and file copy overhead make 8MB/sec file copy seem reasonable. I'll have to dig around some more too see why I'm only getting 11MB/sec tcp overall. |
| 15:25.08 | palo_ | joncrunchbang: thx i'll google pinning. |
| 15:25.22 | joncrunchbang | palo_: /etc/apt/preferences <--- edit this. |
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| 15:26.10 | palo_ | joncrunchbang: thx |
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| 15:26.12 | joncrunchbang | np. |
| 15:26.55 | palo_ | joncrunchbang: looks good. thx for the fast hint |
| 15:27.16 | joncrunchbang | palo_: not a problem, happy to help. |
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| 15:29.01 | dimitry7 | Hi all. Where do I configure my proxy in Debian Wheezy? |
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| 15:33.54 | calisto | hi , have problems ok elantech touchpad I cant use the rigth click |
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| 15:35.20 | calisto | the documentation speak about add options on xorg.conf but in debian 7 its the same |
| 15:35.22 | calisto | ?? |
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| 15:37.04 | jelly | phorce1: freenas box or inter-switch link negotiated to 100Mbps |
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| 15:37.58 | dimitry7 | calisto, I've been asking how to configure proxy in wheeze, i have set http_proxy but gotten no answer.. everyone is earting camote hehe :p |
| 15:38.09 | dimitry7 | calisto, hope u get an answer :D |
| 15:38.38 | dimitry7 | meant to sat eating when he said earting |
| 15:38.46 | dimitry7 | * say |
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| 15:38.54 | calisto | dimitry7: the proxy server are configure in icewaecel |
| 15:39.01 | calisto | for example |
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| 15:39.03 | Neobenedict | can someone tell me how i can find the total file size of all .mkv's in a directory, without recursing further in |
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| 15:39.19 | dimitry7 | calisto, which config file should i modify? |
| 15:39.20 | Neobenedict | or would that require a script |
| 15:39.26 | dimitry7 | what is icewaecel¡ |
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| 15:40.33 | dimitry7 | calisto, I want to use this as a client not as a server |
| 15:40.36 | ws2k3 | tcpdump -w $date -c 10 how should i replace $time with the time command? |
| 15:40.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell dimitry7 about why iceweasel |
| 15:40.43 | ws2k3 | i wanne name the file the time and date from now |
| 15:41.02 | Neobenedict | dpkg, tell Neobenedict about why iceweasel |
| 15:41.26 | jelly | ws2k3: -w "$(date ...)" |
| 15:41.30 | calisto | yes |
| 15:41.43 | calisto | in iceweacel configude th eserver proxy |
| 15:41.50 | jelly | ws2k3: pick your favorite date format yourself |
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| 15:43.14 | jelly | ws2k3: it might make some sense to give the output file a .pcap or .cap extension, eg -w "$(date).pcap" |
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| 15:43.35 | dimitry7 | calisto, is that a GUI app? |
| 15:43.41 | dimitry7 | i dont want to use GUIs |
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| 15:44.43 | jelly | dimitry7: for logged in, interactive sessions, you can put http_proxy=... into /etc/environment |
| 15:45.21 | jelly | dimitry7: if you want it to apply to a service started with an init script, you might have to use a different approarch |
| 15:45.28 | dimitry7 | jelly, $ echo $http_proxy http://192.168.1.23:3128/ |
| 15:45.52 | dimitry7 | jelly, no, just system wide for now |
| 15:46.17 | jelly | dimitry7: read /msg dpkg environment |
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| 15:48.12 | dimitry7 | jelly, login variable ... so I should log out and in again from my session |
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| 15:49.21 | jelly | dimitry7: correct |
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| 15:49.59 | jelly | (applied via PAM, pam_env module) |
| 15:50.23 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay, thank you!! |
| 15:50.52 | rndnick0xffag | Neobenedict: gosh -u file.util -E 'begin (print (apply + (map file-size (directory-list (current-directory) :children? #t :filter #/.mkv$/)))) (exit 0)' |
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| 15:52.22 | calisto | dimitry7: I dont understand your problem, sotty |
| 15:52.25 | calisto | sorry* |
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| 15:52.54 | rndnick0xffag | Neobenedict: or something like: du -b *.ogg|cut -f 1|{ s=0; while read i; do s=$[s+i]; done; echo $s; } |
| 15:52.56 | dimitry7 | calisto, have you ever configured a proxy in Ubuntu from Network Settings? |
| 15:53.02 | jelly | Neobenedict, rndnick0xffag: or simply du -c *.mkv |
| 15:53.20 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: ha |
| 15:53.52 | calisto | not really |
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| 15:54.20 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: more like: du -b -c *.mkv|tail -n1|cut -f 1 |
| 15:54.22 | calisto | I use gnome |
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| 15:54.37 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: that's just cosmetics |
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| 15:54.42 | calisto | if press "windows" key |
| 15:54.49 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: would be interesting to test the limits |
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| 15:54.51 | calisto | and type proxy |
| 15:55.11 | calisto | click on wetwork icon |
| 15:55.12 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: 256KB command line length |
| 15:55.23 | jordanm | rndnick0xffag, using $[] to do math in bash has been deprecated for a long time |
| 15:55.36 | calisto | and in this icon have a proxy setings |
| 15:55.41 | calisto | dimitry7: |
| 15:55.53 | jelly | jordanm: that's why he first did it in lisp(ish?) |
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| 15:56.40 | dimitry7 | calisto, yes, that thing you do from GUI to confg ur proxy, I wanted to do but from console... hopefully jelly told me how. |
| 15:56.44 | jelly | all those ellipsis prefix notation languages look the same to me |
| 15:56.59 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: was more thinking about file size |
| 15:57.18 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: GNU du has --apparent-size |
| 15:57.43 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: size of the sum - du -c likely using some limited int |
| 15:57.45 | Na_Klar | can I keep a ssh session alive while I disconnect and then reconnect to the same session again? when I use 'logout' the session is ended, and e.g. running programs which write to stdout are not visible anymore (though they are still running of course). |
| 15:57.54 | jordanm | rndnick0xffag, also, awk probably would have been a better choice. `du -b *.ogg | awk '{ s+=$1 } END { print s }'` |
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| 15:58.05 | jordanm | but I would just use du -c as jelly suggested |
| 15:58.49 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: make a few 1PB files and test it |
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| 15:58.53 | masteruser | hallo |
| 15:58.57 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: (it works for TB sizes) |
| 15:59.00 | jordanm | Na_Klar, GNU screen |
| 15:59.10 | Na_Klar | jordanm: what's that? |
| 15:59.14 | masteruser | hat jemand von euch herausgefunden wie ich alle panels von gnome-shell löschen kann? |
| 15:59.20 | jelly | !de |
| 15:59.21 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:59.36 | jordanm | !tell Na_Klar about screen |
| 16:00.02 | Na_Klar | jordanm: thank you kind sir |
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| 16:00.28 | calisto | dimitry7: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/how-to-configure-proxy-client-in-console-159720/ |
| 16:00.29 | calisto | For HTTP proxying, including apt-get, you need to set an environment variable http_proxy to the server address and port of your proxy. |
| 16:00.29 | calisto | export http_proxy=192.168.0.1:8080 |
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| 16:01.44 | jelly | calisto: he knows all that, the question was where to set it to apply globally |
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| 16:02.48 | wolfmitchell | On my kvm setup, in virt-manager when I try to enable the default network, I get this: "Error starting network 'default': failed to add iptables rule to enable masquerading"... I'm on a 3.9.5 kernel I compiled, how would I get iptables to let me do this? |
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| 16:04.27 | dimitry7 | calisto, that config won't work on wheezy |
| 16:04.31 | dimitry7 | jelly, right! |
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| 16:04.37 | dimitry7 | calisto, thanks :) |
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| 16:05.28 | calisto | jelly undestand not all programs use the proxy servers not a standar optiona has route for exaple |
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| 16:05.54 | calisto | the aplication layer need to interactue whith a proxy implemantation |
| 16:06.01 | calisto | yours mechanism |
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| 16:06.21 | calisto | wget for example have a spetial option to set a proxy |
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| 16:06.36 | jelly | calisto: wget, and most CLI tools, obey the env.var |
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| 16:07.07 | jelly | in fact, wget was created to make use of proxies and reconnects on slow, broken links |
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| 16:07.55 | jelly | calisto: wget also obeys its sister variable ftp_proxy (and https_proxy, I think) if present |
| 16:08.24 | edju | running testing. uname -a lists 3.2.0-4-686-pae. also listed is 3.2.41-2+deb7u2. what is that last? some wheezy (7) update (u)? |
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| 16:09.10 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: du -c is using size_t |
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| 16:10.15 | calisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.18 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: then you're going to have issues counting totals upwards of what, 2^63-1? That's 10^21, ... septobytes |
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| 16:10.40 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: and it seems i was wrong ... looking at du.c |
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| 16:11.36 | jelly | calisto: that particular env.var is a defacto standard |
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| 16:11.57 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: in fact it uses uintmax_t |
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| 16:12.16 | rndnick0xffag | jelly: sorry for the noise |
| 16:12.18 | calisto | yes jelly how explain a dimitry7 |
| 16:12.21 | jelly | calisto: I'd go that far to file wishlist or minor bugs if an app from Debian used http but did not obey it |
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| 16:12.44 | jelly | rndnick0xffag: we all learned something today? |
| 16:12.47 | SuperNull | hey guys, is there a way to tell on 32bit kernel if you have more than 4gig of ram available ? (not useable but physically installed perhaps) |
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| 16:13.30 | jelly | edju: look at the package version (which is 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 as well) |
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| 16:13.58 | jelly | edju: if you want a quick confirmation, /msg judd kernels |
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| 16:14.42 | wolfmitchell | Anyone know why on a 3.9.5 kernel I compiled I cant start the 'default' network on my KVMs? I keep getting this in virt-manager when I try to start the default network: "Error starting network 'default': failed to add iptables rule to enable masquerading" |
| 16:14.56 | Na_Klar | jordanm: screen is great. exactly what I need. thanks again. |
| 16:15.00 | dimitry7 | jelly, are you woman? |
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| 16:16.06 | zeh | dimitry7: wft does that matter? |
| 16:16.08 | jelly | dimitry7: I'll refuse to answer that personal question at this time. |
| 16:16.10 | rndnick0xffag | SuperNull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 16:16.27 | dimitry7 | :-O |
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| 16:16.33 | dimitry7 | I am sorry :-( |
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| 16:17.20 | phorce1 | jelly: both NICs are showing 1000BaseTX connection on the respective machines and they are plugged into adjacent ports on a 24port GigaBit switch. Would all traffic somehow be going through the gateway (which is a DSL router provifing DHCP servicesand it *IS* 100TX to the switch) even though they are on the same subnet? |
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| 16:18.21 | jelly | phorce1: it shouldn't, does arp see the other peer's MAC on each machine? |
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| 16:19.13 | lxsameer | how can i prevent some package to upgrade (dist-upgrade) for example kernels packages? |
| 16:19.39 | dimitry7 | lxsameer, with hold |
| 16:19.49 | lxsameer | dimitry7: thanks |
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| 16:20.25 | phorce1 | jelly: yes to ARP question |
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| 16:20.49 | jelly | phorce1: it's ethernet gremlins |
| 16:21.07 | jelly | (no idea) |
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| 16:23.27 | phorce1 | jelly: time to try a new cable. Maybe I'll hook it up to the T-1 switch and give it a static address. That switch is GigE all the way to the firewall/gateway and only drops to 100TX from the internal gateway to the Cisco headed outside. |
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| 16:28.48 | diamonds | what's the URI of unstable packages? |
| 16:29.10 | diamonds | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable ? |
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| 16:29.54 | diamonds | ok deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main |
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| 16:30.10 | diamonds | and I add that to the END of sources to make lowest priority, yes? |
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| 16:31.18 | wjtaylor | I notice that I can set up more than one IP per network interface. I tried using the second one I added, but it wouldn't work, even on the local host. Can you really have more than one IP per interface? |
| 16:31.32 | dimitry7 | Is Lenny still supported? |
| 16:31.38 | dimitry7 | or just Squeeze now.. |
| 16:32.00 | wjtaylor | I think they killed Lenny |
| 16:32.10 | wjtaylor | Oh, that was Kenny.... sorry |
| 16:32.28 | dimitry7 | haha no, that was Lenon hahahah |
| 16:32.42 | LtL | dimitry7: lenny is not supported anymore, squeeze is for another year... roughly |
| 16:32.52 | Sevet | diamonds: experimental != unstable |
| 16:33.04 | diamonds | Sevet» yes thank you |
| 16:33.23 | diamonds | I want xfce 4.10 http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
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| 16:34.58 | jordanm | diamonds, the order in sources.list doesn't change priority |
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| 16:35.15 | dimitry7 | LtL, thank you!! |
| 16:35.20 | Sevet | dimitry7: lenny has been EOL for over a year (2012-02) |
| 16:35.27 | LtL | dimitry7: welcome |
| 16:36.00 | Sevet | dimitry7: if you're upgrading lenny->squeeze, you might as well squeeze->wheezy too |
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| 16:36.10 | diamonds | jordanm» ok |
| 16:36.35 | diamonds | why does this: sudo apt-get -t experimental install xfce4 |
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| 16:36.46 | diamonds | yield: xfce4 is already the newest version |
| 16:36.52 | jelly | I want a pony! |
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| 16:36.58 | diamonds | when I'm on 4.8 & experimental is 4.10 |
| 16:37.03 | jelly | ,v xfce4 |
| 16:37.04 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 16:37.06 | Sevet | diamonds: did you apt-get update? |
| 16:37.17 | diamonds | yes |
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| 16:37.33 | diamonds | I'll try again |
| 16:37.35 | jelly | diamonds: pastebin the output of your "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy xfce4" |
| 16:37.40 | Sevet | diamonds: unstable/sid has 4.10... you shouldn't need experimental |
| 16:38.02 | diamonds | Sevet» ah OK I'm working from here: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 16:38.20 | Sevet | what is your base system btw? squeeze/wheezy/jessie/sid? |
| 16:38.26 | diamonds | weezy |
| 16:38.37 | Sevet | not generally a good idea to mix distributions |
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| 16:39.00 | diamonds | Sevet» yes but I want a feature from xfce 4.10 |
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| 16:39.10 | Sevet | moving to testing might be better, if you're prepared for the issues being on a moving target presents |
| 16:39.14 | Sevet | (jessie) |
| 16:39.24 | diamonds | the whole machine? |
| 16:39.27 | diamonds | how involved is that |
| 16:39.39 | diamonds | anyway I want to just try installing 4.10xfce for now |
| 16:39.54 | diamonds | I have snapshotted the VM so i can roll back |
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| 16:40.20 | jelly | diamonds: do NOT mix stable and anything newer, that way lies pain, misery and madness |
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| 16:40.27 | diamonds | ok |
| 16:40.32 | diamonds | well fuck : |
| 16:40.35 | diamonds | thank you |
| 16:40.45 | diamonds | I guess I'll switch WMs so I can get tiling :p |
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| 16:40.53 | diamonds | how can I move the whole system to Jessie? |
| 16:40.55 | jelly | if you absolutely require xfce 4.10, consider switching to jessie completely |
| 16:40.56 | Sevet | !tell diamonds about stable->testing |
| 16:41.07 | jelly | (jessie is current testing) |
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| 16:41.37 | Sevet | wheezy-backports would be least invasive, but doubt it's been backported yet |
| 16:41.39 | diamonds | ok sounds clear enough |
| 16:41.47 | [E]sc | http://justpaste.it/2tu1 anyone have this using gdm3 with wheezy and nvidia graphics card? |
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| 16:44.05 | [E]sc | for some reason gdm is creating multiple taskbars and panels, shrinking the workspace and there doesn't seem to be a way around that i can find... |
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| 16:46.03 | diamonds | updoodling right now. Will let you know how it comes out :) |
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| 16:56.26 | feld | where do you configure static routes at in Debian? or is the "recommended" way to use post-up things in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:59.19 | abrotman | feld: post-up |
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| 16:59.48 | feld | abrotman: seems awfully hackish, but OK |
| 16:59.52 | feld | i'll go that route |
| 16:59.53 | feld | thanks |
| 17:00.42 | abrotman | feld: patches welcome! :) |
| 17:01.14 | feld | if i was going to submit a patch i'd replace the entire OS with freebsd |
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| 17:01.27 | feld | but i dont think it'd get committed ;) |
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| 17:05.48 | phorce1 | jelly: moved it to the T-1 switch and now iperf shows [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 650 MBytes 65.0 MBytes/sec |
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| 17:12.18 | diamonds | heyo |
| 17:12.29 | diamonds | xscreensaver & xlockmore must be restarted before upgrading |
| 17:12.50 | diamonds | should have logged out of pt7 & used pt0 or w/e to upgrade distro... |
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| 17:13.05 | socomm | What is the best way to upgrade packages? 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 17:13.06 | diamonds | anyway is there a way to do this restart/quit from inside xfce session? |
| 17:13.07 | phorce1 | jelly: nautilus is copying at about 18MB/sec now so I need to try mount.cifs again rather than letting nautilus/HAL/whatever handle it |
| 17:13.36 | diamonds | socomm» the latter is for upgrading core OS distro packages if I understand correctly |
| 17:14.47 | socomm | Maybe I shoulda read the man page before asking. |
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| 17:15.35 | socomm | "apt-get has "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at teh expense of less important ones, if necessary" |
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| 17:16.33 | socomm | Thats in regards to the 'dist-upgrade' option |
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| 17:17.13 | Dry_Lips | Hi! I'm considering Debian 7 as my next distro. Is mate available in the in the official Debian repos? |
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| 17:18.16 | phorce1 | That's really wierd. Using mount.cifs once again cuts the file copy speed in half. Down to 9MB/sec copying to a mount point on the local file system instead of the 18MB/sec I was showing when allowing nautilus to navigate to smb://server/share (which shows no mount point in /proc/mounts) |
| 17:18.55 | socomm | Dry_Lips: doesn't look like it |
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| 17:20.49 | Dry_Lips | socomm: No? I'm a bit confused about this... According to this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658783 mate has been included, yet I didn't find it when I searched the package archive |
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| 17:22.24 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: that's an ITP, but parts are now uploaded .. also, Check out Cinnamon instead of MATE if you want that type of interface |
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| 17:22.33 | ws2k3 | i wanne put a limit on certain network packages http://pastebin.com/h39qNwzh |
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| 17:22.56 | abrotman | ws2k3: ask #netfilter, good luck |
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| 17:24.37 | rozie | ws2k3: doe they run on the same host? |
| 17:24.44 | abrotman | ask #netfilter |
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| 17:25.02 | OptimusCrimeONE | how in the eart ( :) ) one must have cd/dvdrom drivers for debian installer in 2013!!? |
| 17:25.12 | Dry_Lips | abrotman: Ah, so it is eventually coming... Cinnamon is cool, but a little buggy yet, in my opinion. Might go for xfce instead.- |
| 17:25.15 | OptimusCrimeONE | COME ONE!! |
| 17:25.26 | OptimusCrimeONE | *COME ON!! |
| 17:25.34 | socomm | Dry_Lips: I would also recommend Cinnamon over MATE |
| 17:25.37 | rozie | abrotman: easy |
| 17:25.55 | rozie | OptimusCrimeONE: you can use USB. or PxE |
| 17:25.58 | socomm | OptimusCrimeONE: you can install via USB or netinstall |
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| 17:26.53 | Dry_Lips | socomm: how come you'd rather go for Cinnamon? |
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| 17:27.05 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: gnome2/gtk2 are dead upstream, right ? |
| 17:27.08 | OptimusCrimeONE | socomm: no I can't! Also the USB started wining about cdrom drivers |
| 17:27.13 | socomm | Dry_Lips: more modern interface, and in my experience its lighter than MATE |
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| 17:27.16 | jmd | Whenever I do (almost) anything in wheezy I get a warning: |
| 17:27.19 | jmd | WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/john/.cache/keyring-M3p6th/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.19 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: how did you create the USB image? |
| 17:27.26 | mumpitze1 | OptimusCrimeONE: you used unetbootin? |
| 17:27.43 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: I dld it |
| 17:27.56 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: how did you write the ISO to the USB stick ? |
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| 17:28.07 | rozie | there's no need for unetbootin AFAIK... |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | rozie: tell them that .. broken pile of crap |
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| 17:28.58 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: probaply the wrong way if you're asking |
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| 17:29.08 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: did you use unetbootin ? |
| 17:29.13 | OptimusCrimeONE | aboman: how should it be done?! |
| 17:29.16 | mumpitze1 | OptimusCrimeONE: we can't know that unless you answer the question |
| 17:29.20 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: unetbootin is broken, and works about 30% of the time |
| 17:29.36 | OptimusCrimeONE | aboman: no, what's that? |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: ABROTMAN |
| 17:29.55 | abrotman | this isn't hard |
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| 17:30.27 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: sorry, you're all pressing me! :) |
| 17:30.33 | Roberth1990 | hello, I have wheezy installed, and I have added the backports repository, but debian doesn't upgrade from it, any ideas? |
| 17:30.41 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: why are you complaining? better than the usual abortman... sheesh, people as so thin-skinned ;) |
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| 17:30.46 | abrotman | Roberth1990: have to explicitly do it |
| 17:30.50 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: ok, go on |
| 17:31.00 | abrotman | mumpitze1: at least i highlight on abortman |
| 17:31.11 | Roberth1990 | abrotman: oh, how do I do that? |
| 17:31.20 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: what OS are you using to create the USB drive? how did you do it? |
| 17:31.20 | mumpitze1 | so you gave up already? ouch! |
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| 17:31.37 | abrotman | Roberth1990: backports.debian.org has instructions |
| 17:31.39 | mumpitze1 | Roberth1990: by reading the backports documentation on the website |
| 17:31.41 | abrotman | mumpitze1: years ago |
| 17:31.51 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: win 7.... i copied it |
| 17:31.52 | rozie | Roberth1990: it's described on backports page |
| 17:32.07 | mumpitze1 | OptimusCrimeONE: with what tool on windows 7? |
| 17:32.13 | rozie | or just read about apt-pinning (the hard way) |
| 17:32.32 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: copied it? |
| 17:32.32 | rozie | mumpitze1: drag&drop ;) |
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| 17:32.50 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: try win32diskimager .. good luck |
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| 17:33.52 | jhutchins_wk | I would think drag&drop would give you an iso file on whatever filesystem was on the drive rather than a bootable installer. |
| 17:33.52 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: for some reason I'm not very confinsed |
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| 17:34.28 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: is threre the way to go for USB install? |
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| 17:34.57 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: or do you prefer netinstall? |
| 17:35.30 | OptimusCrimeONE | I feel, with netinstall its easier to fuck up completely |
| 17:35.32 | calisto | OptimusCrimeONE: download de net install and cp xxx.iso /deb/sdb if sdb are the usb |
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| 17:35.34 | calisto | sync |
| 17:35.36 | OptimusCrimeONE | ...my computer |
| 17:35.40 | calisto | and boot form the usb |
| 17:35.47 | mumpitze1 | calisto: he runs windows... |
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| 17:36.07 | mumpitze1 | OptimusCrimeONE: how does your PC connect to the internet? |
| 17:36.08 | calisto | mumpitze1: remove this :-) |
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| 17:36.20 | OptimusCrimeONE | and Im gonna install debian on side of win |
| 17:36.25 | mumpitze1 | calisto: it means he has to use windows to write to the usb stick |
| 17:36.33 | OptimusCrimeONE | mumpitze1: dsl |
| 17:36.49 | geggam | why not just use unetbootin ? |
| 17:36.50 | calisto | exist netbut in? |
| 17:37.18 | OptimusCrimeONE | what is unetbootin? |
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| 17:37.35 | geggam | what is google ? |
| 17:37.36 | calisto | downlad a net install xxx.iso and use a burn cd to create a cd and boot from cd cd lector |
| 17:37.37 | OptimusCrimeONE | dpkg: what is unetboot |
| 17:37.37 | dpkg | OptimusCrimeONE: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:37.42 | rozie | OptimusCrimeONE: can you check if http:/google.com is working for you? |
| 17:37.44 | OptimusCrimeONE | dpkg: what is unetbootin |
| 17:37.44 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images: ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 17:37.53 | dimitry7 | OptimusCrimeONE, a GUI tool to make USB bootable from ISO files. |
| 17:38.01 | tgs3 | geggam: it's a spying agency to gather intel on your web searches. use duckduckgo.com if you can |
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| 17:38.18 | geggam | lol tgs3 |
| 17:38.33 | OptimusCrimeONE | dimitry7: is that really realiable? |
| 17:38.39 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: use the netinst, and win32diskimager .. |
| 17:38.45 | geggam | i use trackmenot in firefox ... i pollute the results tgs3 |
| 17:38.47 | mullein | tgs3: do you really think duckduckgo is any safer, when it is hosted on amazon ec2? |
| 17:38.51 | dimitry7 | OptimusCrimeONE, yes, I have used it |
| 17:38.54 | abrotman | DO NOT USE UNETBOOTIN |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | god damn it |
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| 17:39.05 | dimitry7 | abrotman, why not? |
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| 17:39.10 | OptimusCrimeONE | ...its for linux, right? |
| 17:39.10 | tgs3 | mullein: then what else? |
| 17:39.11 | geggam | quit telling people to not use unetbootin... it works |
| 17:39.13 | abrotman | it's a fucking broken pile of shit that doesn't work |
| 17:39.19 | dimitry7 | OptimusCrimeONE, yes |
| 17:39.26 | calisto | but ATENTION IF YOU have a efi system installed UNetBootIn not work fine |
| 17:39.34 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: please use win32diskimager |
| 17:40.03 | OptimusCrimeONE | is that some of so linux diskmanagers? |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: find it with google |
| 17:40.20 | mullein | tgs3: good question, i saw a recommendation today for startpage.com but i don't know that it's any better. it seems almost certain, however, that amazon would hand over customer data if asked. |
| 17:40.21 | abrotman | the website will explain it |
| 17:40.27 | OptimusCrimeONE | the diskmanager concept is not clear fo me yet |
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| 17:40.46 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: see their website for a good description |
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| 17:40.51 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: i will. thx, brb |
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| 17:41.05 | calisto | dpkg install |
| 17:41.06 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 17:41.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell calisto about selftell |
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| 17:41.58 | OptimusCrimeONE | btw, one more basic fuck up with debian -> i'll install gubuntu |
| 17:42.15 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: maybe you should ask people that know what they're doing ... |
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| 17:42.52 | tgs3 | how to reinstal debian7 over debian6, preserving /home and /foo ? |
| 17:43.05 | tgs3 | the problem is that this debian6 uses raid + encryption + lvm |
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| 17:43.19 | rozie | tgs3: can't you just upgrade? |
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| 17:43.23 | OptimusCrimeONE | Amazingly here, in this world on this channel there are a shitload of people telling you what to do!! |
| 17:43.33 | tgs3 | rozie: no, it might be compromised |
| 17:43.35 | calisto | dpkg: tell abortman thanks |
| 17:43.40 | geggam | rsync /home and /foo somewhere else and reinstall :) |
| 17:43.45 | tgs3 | given debian's poor security record (compared to my standards) |
| 17:43.50 | geggam | especially if its compromised |
| 17:43.51 | OptimusCrimeONE | I like it, but there is allwas the other side |
| 17:43.54 | tgs3 | geggam: without doing that, because of 1) time 2) free space needed |
| 17:43.56 | OptimusCrimeONE | ..of the coin |
| 17:44.15 | tgs3 | HE SAID BITCOIN! arrest him. and burn the constitution |
| 17:44.17 | geggam | save time... reinstall and dont save /home and /foo tgs3 :) |
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| 17:44.34 | geggam | hackers took it ! |
| 17:44.35 | moof2 | OptimusCrimeONE, ar joo treatenin debian? oh, wait, it's an inanimate object... |
| 17:44.45 | abrotman | rgare they on separate mountpoints ? |
| 17:44.58 | abrotman | tgs3: are they on separate mount points ? |
| 17:45.17 | tgs3 | abrotman: of course yes. on own LVM logical volumen lv_home and lv_foo |
| 17:45.46 | tgs3 | abrotman: thet is inside lvm VG that is on encryption (dm) made by deb6 installer, that is on raid (md0) maid by deb6 installer |
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| 17:45.53 | calisto | hi , have problems ok elantech touchpad I cant use the rigth click, the documentation are about debian 6, any have how configure all functionalities of touchpad rigth click and 2 fingers displace? |
| 17:46.03 | calisto | on<+ |
| 17:46.05 | tgs3 | will deb7 installer be able to open all this up and reuse this setup if I give it luks password? |
| 17:46.06 | calisto | on* |
| 17:46.10 | diamonds | works so far (jessie). Thanks Sevet &c! |
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| 17:48.06 | Vicissitude | is there some reason why 7.1 is 7.1 rather than 7.0.1 ? |
| 17:48.19 | OptimusCrimeONE | dpkg: what is win32diskimager |
| 17:48.20 | dpkg | OptimusCrimeONE: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:49.30 | moof2 | there's already a 7.1? |
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| 17:49.51 | diamonds | can I get /experimental/nodejs since I'm on jessie? |
| 17:50.00 | OptimusCrimeONE | moof2: I am human being! |
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| 17:50.11 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi guys. ive got a problem with /dev/shm |
| 17:50.26 | Vicissitude | moof2, said to be coming on the 15th of June |
| 17:50.27 | fluffybunnyuk_ | no matter how many times i build a kernel i get the error failed to mount /dev/shm |
| 17:50.28 | tgs3 | abrotman: does it? |
| 17:50.34 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: can I use dikimager for usb install? |
| 17:50.50 | moof2 | but debian isn't... ... or maybe it's DebiAn |
| 17:50.51 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: or do you suggest? |
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| 17:52.14 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, maybe you didn't include support for it when you menuconfigd |
| 17:52.42 | fluffybunnyuk_ | its included |
| 17:53.02 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hang on let me open my .config and search |
| 17:53.46 | moof2 | also, howbout looking in /dev, is there shm in there? |
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| 17:55.03 | coldiso | howdy guys i am getting spinlock issues with stable 3.2 on ivy bridge so installed 3.10 but need headers for it and am getting an error about linux-kbuild-3.10 not being available. is this known by the crowd in here or am I in the wrong room |
| 17:55.12 | abrotman | tgs3: wait what? |
| 17:55.18 | abrotman | tgs3: sorry, got side tracked |
| 17:55.44 | moof2 | Vicissitude, ah... any idea why? were too many things broke? |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: please use win32diskimager to write the ISO to your USB drive .. you will lose all information on the USB drive. |
| 17:56.03 | coldiso | as background i have a identical ivy-bridge that was running wheezy when it was testing and got into the 3.6 tree and that has been very stable (read no spinlock errors) |
| 17:56.06 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i have CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y |
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| 17:56.29 | tgs3 | abrotman: is debian7 partitioner able to assemble existing raid0, then open LUKS encryption on it, and then assemble existing LVM on it, in order to install into existing partitions on lvm like / /usr /var /tmp and *preserving* existing /home and /foo (all this are mount points on the lvm). existing layout was done from debian6 installer |
| 17:56.35 | tgs3 | *raid1 |
| 17:56.35 | fluffybunnyuk_ | and i have the default /dev/shm fstab option |
| 17:56.53 | ikonia | fluffybunnyuk_: is this even on debian ? |
| 17:57.01 | abrotman | tgs3: i believe so, in expert mode .. I'd certainly try on a VM first |
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| 17:57.16 | abrotman | tgs3: alternately, ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if you don't want to try it yourself |
| 17:57.26 | tgs3 | thanks |
| 17:57.40 | abrotman | would try it in a VM either way :) |
| 17:57.42 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, isn't that tmpfs? I don't think that's shm (well, keep searching the config :) |
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| 17:58.19 | Vicissitude | moof2, I'm not sure. Seems only a smidgen more than a month before wheezy came out and now a big update is in the wings |
| 17:58.28 | Vicissitude | (big only in terms of version not size) |
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| 17:59.06 | moof2 | yeah, that seems like a whole diffdrent dist (by the version name) |
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| 18:00.05 | coldiso | anyone in here running 3.10 kernel from the tree ? |
| 18:00.57 | moof2 | I'm running 3.2 from the debian repos |
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| 18:01.14 | coldiso | moof2: yea i get spinlock panic with ivy-bridge with that kernel |
| 18:01.52 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hmmm i have CONFIG_TMPFS is not set moof but not much else like Virtual memory file system support :( |
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| 18:02.19 | ikonia | fluffybunnyuk_: is this a.) Fedora b.) Debian c.) your own distro you are trying to build |
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| 18:02.20 | coldiso | though it is possible my issue is related to -rt |
| 18:02.23 | ikonia | fluffybunnyuk_: which distro is it ? |
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| 18:03.46 | OptimusCrimeONE | PLEASE dont say "win32diskimager" doesn't support iso-files!!! |
| 18:03.46 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, you might want tmpfs; seems to be used a lot |
| 18:04.06 | ikonia | it will depend on his distro how this is setup |
| 18:04.23 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: it does |
| 18:04.26 | ikonia | but as he's asking in #fedora and #debian and I know he's trying to build his own botched distro - I'm trying to find out which distro it is |
| 18:05.54 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i wasnt using it b4 |
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| 18:06.01 | ikonia | fluffybunnyuk_: what distro is this ? |
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| 18:06.16 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: Debian uses hybridisos |
| 18:06.19 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hang on im just chrooting in |
| 18:06.25 | ikonia | fluffybunnyuk_: what distro is it |
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| 18:06.29 | ikonia | it's not a hard question |
| 18:06.44 | abrotman | fluffybunnyuk_: you've been asked 10 times which distro this is, seems like you're trolling |
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| 18:09.31 | tgs3 | aboman: you probably need to -q him now? |
| 18:09.36 | tgs3 | abrotman: |
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| 18:10.39 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: ok, thanks again. How about partitioning? 10gigs for OS 2 for swap rest i can find for coding stuff, music ect? |
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| 18:11.10 | tgs3 | ikonia: "trying to build his own BOTCHED distro" good job being nice and helpful. What's with the hate |
| 18:11.12 | hatoon | j #php-br |
| 18:11.59 | moof2 | I thought she had a wheezy install as well |
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| 18:12.13 | ikonia | tgs3: errr there is no hate there, I'm trying to understand if the problem is with a fedora kernel, a debian kernel or the distro he's trying to made that he's making a mess of, as the majorit of the problems with that are before the kernel |
| 18:12.36 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: if you don't know, let it guide you |
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| 18:13.12 | abrotman | ikonia: for the record, he tells me in msg it's Wheezy, so you can tell #fedora to ban fluffybunnyuk_ for trolling |
| 18:13.20 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: well, i planned something like i said |
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| 18:13.38 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: what is your WM/DE? |
| 18:13.48 | ikonia | abrotman: no need to ban him - and I suspect it's not wheezy - as he was asking in ##linux about his "own" distro, that' why I'm confused, as his own distro has other problems that will stop what he's doing working |
| 18:13.53 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: what is my what? |
| 18:14.05 | ikonia | abrotman: just wanted to know what info was genuine,false to see what the real issue was |
| 18:14.15 | moof2 | that sounds to me the right place to ask about her dist |
| 18:14.17 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: Window Mangaer? GNome? KDE? |
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| 18:15.34 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: I was thinking of gnome. The most important thing is ease of handling workspaces. I've heard gnome provides that |
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| 18:16.28 | OptimusCrimeONE | abrotman: develper, lots of windows and stuff open all the time |
| 18:16.36 | OptimusCrimeONE | *developer |
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| 18:18.07 | OptimusCrimeONE | Any Window manager suggestions for softwaredesigner/developer!!? |
| 18:18.14 | rndnick0xffaf | sawfish |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: if you're new, probably gnome or kde or xfce or maybe even lxde |
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| 18:18.43 | abrotman | OptimusCrimeONE: anyway .. i'd probably go with 20GB for the OS |
| 18:18.44 | jordanm | OptimusCrimeONE, KDE extends past workspaces and provides "activities" |
| 18:19.26 | jordanm | /dev/mapper/newvg-root 100G 58G 38G 61% / |
| 18:19.27 | grawity | So I have a server that has "openjdk-7-jre-headless" and "openjdk-7-jre-lib" installed. When I try to remove them, apt-get automatically wants to install openjdk-6 in its place. How do I find out what packages want JRE so that I could remove it completely? |
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| 18:19.52 | jordanm | I personally wouldn't do 20 without a separate /var |
| 18:20.16 | mechanicalduck | Ah this is funny, you hit /clear in order to clean up the screen and you can just glimpse the answer from someone. Damn :) |
| 18:20.19 | jordanm | grawity, aptitude why openjdk-7-jre-headless |
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| 18:20.55 | grawity | i openjdk-7-jre-headless Depends openjdk-7-jre-lib (= 7u21-2.3.9-5) |
| 18:20.57 | grawity | i A openjdk-7-jre-lib Depends openjdk-7-jre-headless (>= 7~b130~pre0) |
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| 18:21.53 | grawity | ...which isn't very helpful, tbh |
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| 18:23.54 | mullein | grawity, apt-rdepends -r should also work |
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| 18:25.21 | mullein | grawity, or else: apt-cache --installed rdepends $packagename |
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| 18:27.02 | grawity | The latter goes in a loop again, and the former outputs a lot of packages that aren't actually installed |
| 18:27.45 | grawity | http://sprunge.us/GSYG |
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| 18:30.21 | mumpitze1 | grawity: try to remove them with dpkg |
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| 18:31.45 | grawity | http://sprunge.us/geGb – ah, it points at ca-certificates-java |
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| 18:34.34 | grawity | and removing all four worked |
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| 18:39.48 | OptimusCrimeONE | how about, if I have unfinished installation of debian in my bootloader atm. If I start a fresh one will it overwrite the unfinished one? |
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| 18:40.27 | OptimusCrimeONE | and you can still suggest developer WMs for me!! |
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| 18:42.56 | vsync_ | OptimusCrimeONE: unfinished installation in your bootloader? |
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| 18:43.04 | vsync_ | does not compute. |
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| 18:44.00 | OptimusCrimeONE | well bootloader suggest continue debian installation process whatnot, start win7 |
| 18:44.28 | boudiccas | i've just rebooted and found that dmlight has lost my 'fluxbox' entry so i am unable to log into fluxbox. how do i get it back please? |
| 18:44.49 | OptimusCrimeONE | so i tried to install debian yesterday but jammed to the cdrom thingy |
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| 18:45.37 | vsync_ | OptimusCrimeONE: you can of course overwrite the unfinished one if you like |
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| 18:46.09 | vsync_ | just format the partitions, can be done in the installer |
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| 18:47.58 | OptimusCrimeONE | it hasn't partitioned anything yet i guess/hope its my win7 drive |
| 18:48.26 | OptimusCrimeONE | but im about to install debian on same drive as win 7 currently is |
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| 18:48.57 | vsync_ | umm, i can't really understand what you're saying |
| 18:49.11 | vsync_ | but if you had win7, ran debian installer, and now there's a bootloader in place |
| 18:49.19 | OptimusCrimeONE | and seems like due the lack of space i take swap from another drive and third partition from some other drive :) |
| 18:49.27 | vsync_ | it definately has partitioned something |
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| 18:49.41 | OptimusCrimeONE | sounds hazardous? |
| 18:49.56 | vsync_ | however, i don't really understand, iirc the bootloader is probably the last one to install |
| 18:50.27 | vsync_ | you should probably check you're partition tables and so on |
| 18:50.30 | vsync_ | your* |
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| 18:52.23 | OptimusCrimeONE | well i almost didn't even got started with debian install, and the installer started to whine me about cdrom drivers or something, i stopped |
| 18:52.41 | OptimusCrimeONE | vsync_: : but you're right |
| 18:52.42 | jacklk | Does anyone use Debian who is not a programmer? |
| 18:53.11 | inhumantsar | i'm a sysadmin and i use debian for everything |
| 18:53.29 | inhumantsar | almost |
| 18:53.36 | mumpitze1 | OptimusCrimeONE: do you have empty space or a special partition for linux on the harddrive? |
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| 18:55.10 | OptimusCrimeONE | vsync_: can i handle the previous debian installation tryout partitions with installing and doing the partitioning during the installation properly? |
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| 18:55.41 | vsync_ | you can wipe the previous partitions clean during installing |
| 18:55.45 | vsync_ | and reformat them |
| 18:56.08 | OptimusCrimeONE | mumpitze1: i have some space on 3 separate drives, and Im about to partition during the install |
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| 18:56.47 | OptimusCrimeONE | vsync_: nice, thanks! i was betting all in for that |
| 18:56.54 | OptimusCrimeONE | :) |
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| 18:58.08 | OptimusCrimeONE | so is it torable to use these 3 drives so that 1 is for OS, 1 for swap and 1 for well disk space |
| 18:58.18 | OptimusCrimeONE | ext4 or something |
| 18:58.21 | OptimusCrimeONE | ? |
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| 18:59.15 | moof2 | OptimusCrimeONE, you can do that if you want |
| 18:59.57 | moof2 | actually swap works better if it's on a separate drive |
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| 19:01.00 | vsync_ | moof2: marginally |
| 19:01.14 | OptimusCrimeONE | nice! |
| 19:01.42 | vsync_ | you don't even need a swap partition if you don't want to |
| 19:01.44 | OptimusCrimeONE | more hw @ work? |
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| 19:02.00 | OptimusCrimeONE | vsync_: of course i want to |
| 19:02.08 | vsync_ | well sure then, go for it |
| 19:03.11 | OptimusCrimeONE | mmm. should i take a try again? |
| 19:03.37 | vsync_ | why not |
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| 19:04.35 | OptimusCrimeONE | yup, no reason! |
| 19:04.37 | OptimusCrimeONE | --> |
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| 19:09.52 | no_gravity | Hello! Im looking at where all my disk-space went and I see that /var/cache/ is 302 mb. Is that good for anything or can i rm -r it? |
| 19:11.31 | jmd | no_gravity, I think almost everything is safe to remove there. |
| 19:11.53 | jordanm | erm |
| 19:12.31 | marc_smith | no_gravity: or you can just apt-get autoremove --purge and apt-get clean |
| 19:12.31 | moof2 | you'll probably find debian packages that were installed in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:13.13 | moof2 | well hold off before using the golden screwdriver that is rm |
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| 19:14.05 | no_gravity | marc_smith: ok, did that. that reduced the size of /var/cache to 88mg |
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| 19:14.08 | no_gravity | mb |
| 19:14.39 | no_gravity | biggest is now apt-xapian-index with 72mb |
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| 19:15.28 | no_gravity | wonder what that is |
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| 19:16.32 | reza | hi can anyone help me about sources.list ? |
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| 19:17.26 | no_gravity | Oh, and there is 500mb in /usr/share/locale. what the fuck are all the languages doing there? |
| 19:17.30 | no_gravity | reza: sure. |
| 19:17.44 | moof2 | reza, sure. also, additional info in man 5 sources.list |
| 19:17.55 | marc_smith | no_gravity: xapian helps with index caching for the packages |
| 19:18.03 | mumpitze1 | !tell no_gravity about locaelpurge |
| 19:18.05 | moof2 | you first have to let us know what's up |
| 19:18.13 | mumpitze1 | !tell no_gravity about localepurge |
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| 19:18.24 | mumpitze1 | dpkg: you suck |
| 19:18.25 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 19:18.33 | moof2 | yes you do |
| 19:18.55 | reza | how can i update sources.list ? and what should i add ? |
| 19:19.00 | mumpitze1 | reza: never ask if anyone can help you. just state your problem |
| 19:19.08 | mumpitze1 | reza: why would you want to add something? |
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| 19:19.12 | moof2 | what do you want to install? |
| 19:19.19 | no_gravity | mumpitze1: E: Unable to locate package localpurge |
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| 19:19.32 | mumpitze1 | no_gravity: writing names correctly helps |
| 19:19.40 | marc_smith | lol |
| 19:19.42 | mumpitze1 | ,v localepurge |
| 19:19.43 | judd | Package: localepurge on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.2+nmu1; jessie: 0.6.3; sid: 0.6.3; wheezy: 0.6.3; experimental: 0.7.2 |
| 19:19.54 | moof2 | also, can you pastebin your sources.list |
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| 19:20.17 | moof2 | no_gravity, no big deal, you forgot an e |
| 19:22.05 | reza | hello :-s i saw 3 main source before i just need them |
| 19:22.12 | no_gravity | mumpitze1, moof2: ok, it runs now. but strangely afterwards /usr/share/locale is still 500mb. |
| 19:22.50 | no_gravity | mumpitze1, moof2: oh, i thought it already ran during installation. looks like you have to start it manually afterwards. |
| 19:23.08 | no_gravity | mumpitze1, moof2: very nice. 3mb now :) |
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| 19:24.34 | no_gravity | thanks guys! |
| 19:24.42 | moof2 | reza, what os are you running |
| 19:24.59 | moof2 | no_gravity, enjoy |
| 19:25.24 | reza | debian weezy installed right now |
| 19:25.37 | reza | i just have deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20130504-14:44]/ wheezy contrib main |
| 19:25.47 | reza | i want sources for downloading packages from net |
| 19:26.07 | mumpitze1 | reza: to access dpkg in a PM: /msg dpkg sources.list for wxample |
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| 19:26.26 | reza | ty |
| 19:26.28 | reza | done |
| 19:26.33 | user0_ | Hi, where can i find kbdmap app ? |
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| 19:27.16 | mumpitze1 | user0_: use package.debian.org or apt-file to find out |
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| 19:40.13 | lord_rob | apt-file doesn't even find that command |
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| 19:40.43 | mumpitze1 | lord_rob: maybe he means xmodmap? |
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| 19:41.45 | lord_rob | I don't know in this case it is already installed |
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| 19:43.58 | lord_rob | (ignore what I said, I changed my sources.list so I need to do apt-file update) |
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| 19:45.41 | lord_rob | user0_: syslinux-common (I think this package should be installed already) |
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| 19:47.33 | JyZyXEL | where is the dhcp timeout adjusted for startup? |
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| 19:47.58 | JyZyXEL | seems it defaults to 30 seconds which is horrible if your network cable is unplugged |
| 19:48.20 | JyZyXEL | and you have no intetion of plugging it in either |
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| 19:58.10 | jmd | Neobenedict, If it's without compression, then it's not a .gz |
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| 19:58.31 | jmd | tar -cf |
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| 20:09.59 | OptimusCrimeONE | whoa |
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| 20:10.09 | OptimusCrimeONE | partitioning scares me |
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| 20:11.42 | SuperPhly | hey guys, i'm sorta in freak out mode right now. i have a production server that i'm trying to rectify things with and it's not going so well. i've got a degraded software raid1 that is the boot/swap drive. |
| 20:11.57 | Rackmount | OptimusCrimeONE: If you have sufficient backups in place, you shouldn't have to worry. |
| 20:12.03 | SuperPhly | I've rebooted the machine after replacing the broken hard drive and i'm trying to boot off the second drive (the good one) |
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| 20:12.16 | SuperPhly | right now it's giving me just a blinking cursor... |
| 20:12.23 | SuperPhly | no kernel bootup, nothing. |
| 20:12.24 | moof2 | SuperPhly, can yo uback up the data? |
| 20:12.36 | moof2 | oh so no |
| 20:12.42 | SuperPhly | right. |
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| 20:12.52 | SuperPhly | i know the second drive is good and things are just fine |
| 20:13.05 | moof2 | the second drive has the data? |
| 20:13.08 | SuperPhly | i went ahead and failed the bad drive and removed it from the array a few months back |
| 20:13.10 | SuperPhly | right |
| 20:13.12 | SuperPhly | but it won't boot. |
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| 20:13.30 | SuperPhly | i got into the debian installer and verified the raid array, seems fine |
| 20:13.37 | inhumantsar | exit |
| 20:13.41 | inhumantsar | derp |
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| 20:13.54 | Rackmount | I think something must be wrong with me. I'm using GNOME 3 under Wheezy, and I actually like it. |
| 20:14.00 | SuperPhly | moof2: when i try to boot off that second drive, it's just giving me a blinking cursor. |
| 20:14.19 | n-iCe | Hello how can i set wlan0 to set 5.5M auto while im installing debian |
| 20:14.31 | moof2 | maybe it doesn't have boot juice installed (aka grub or somethign) |
| 20:14.50 | SuperPhly | moof2: that's what i'm thinking |
| 20:15.03 | SuperPhly | moof2: can you walk me through how i might go about getting that setup? |
| 20:15.36 | moof2 | I need to pass you to someone... beyond this point I'm guessing, and we don't want to guess around your production box |
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| 20:16.16 | n-iCe | Please |
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| 20:16.18 | moof2 | here's the thing, with a raid you have several disks... so what do you do? install grub to each one? |
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| 20:17.09 | SuperPhly | essentially i need to install grub on just that second drive |
| 20:17.12 | SuperPhly | to get the system going |
| 20:17.17 | SuperPhly | any mdadm users around? |
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| 20:18.39 | SuperPhly | i need to get this second disk to boot. |
| 20:19.11 | moof2 | root__, you may have to come back as non-root login to talk here; forgot if that's devoiced or what |
| 20:19.18 | frostschutz | SuperPhly, boot a live cd, chroot, grub-install? |
| 20:19.43 | moof2 | put mount between boot and chroot |
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| 20:20.32 | frostschutz | or get a live cd (that uses grub) and use this grub to boot your system direct-like |
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| 20:22.06 | moof2 | ]hmm, frostschutz, if he gets into grub using the first drive, maybe he can boot using that? |
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| 20:35.16 | garulf | hi guys, I've a problem with a new installation of a debian on a laptop. Seems the system hang for some second every time it uses the hd. dmesg says: EH complete, hard resetting link, device reporte invalid CHS sectors 0 (regarding ata1) |
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| 20:36.06 | SuperPhly | ok, so any tips on how to use this grub-install command? |
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| 20:36.28 | SuperPhly | i'm in the debian rescue environment with my raid array mounted as / |
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| 20:37.00 | SuperPhly | grub-install sdb |
| 20:37.03 | SuperPhly | that should do it right? |
| 20:37.07 | SuperPhly | err /dev/sdb |
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| 20:39.07 | ImaLamer | anyone have experience moving multiple mount points (/ /var /usr /home) to another disk and to something simpler (/home /)? |
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| 20:43.25 | useless-eater | Hi, im on wheezy and want to install the fglrx-legacy-driver. how should that be done? |
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| 20:44.10 | somiaj | useless-eater: with apt-get or aptitude (just make sure you enable the non-free sources first) |
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| 20:45.53 | useless-eater | somiaj: thanks, seems I need to use backports for the legacy though :\ |
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| 20:46.32 | SuperPhly | so i've run the grub-install /dev/sdb and it's still just giving me a blinking cursor. |
| 20:46.48 | SuperPhly | do you guys know what could be going wrong? when i ran the grub-install it gave me no errors. |
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| 20:48.13 | ImaLamer | do you see grub on boot? |
| 20:48.16 | ImaLamer | (at all) |
| 20:48.45 | somiaj | useless-eater: oh I just saw it in my repo, didnt see what one. |
| 20:49.02 | musca | !tell useless-eater about fglrx dkms |
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| 20:49.24 | somiaj | useless-eater: yea didn't notice they were in backports. you are correct. |
| 20:49.40 | somiaj | SuperPhly: are you sure your bios is booting off the right disk? |
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| 20:50.15 | useless-eater | rebooting and crossing fingers :) |
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| 20:51.23 | SuperPhly | somiaj: i'm going to double check that again… removing all drives except the for the one known good drive |
| 20:51.53 | SuperPhly | i've done the grub-install /dev/sda from the command line and i've run it from inside the debian installer |
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| 20:53.45 | moof2 | are you booting from that drive (err attempting to)? |
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| 20:53.58 | SuperPhly | yes, and it looks like it's finally working :) |
| 20:54.09 | SuperPhly | i removed all the storage drives temporarily |
| 20:54.12 | SuperPhly | and now it's booting up |
| 20:54.42 | SuperPhly | now it's doing a drive check, fsck i'm guessing |
| 20:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah. why would I get bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 20:56.28 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat, ulimit |
| 20:56.41 | SuperPhly | is it safe to add drives during the bootup? |
| 20:57.06 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat, pid_max |
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| 20:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, how can I count processes the way ulimit does... /etc/security/limits.conf was at 500, I count 133 |
| 20:57.25 | somiaj | SuperPhly: I would think so, not sure exactally what will happen about them being detected or if it will pause it until a time it is ready to detect new usb devices. |
| 20:57.27 | calisto | hi all, have problems ok elantech touchpad I cant use the rigth click, the documentation are about debian 6, any have how configure all functionalities of touchpad rigth click and 2 fingers displace? |
| 20:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | pid_max? |
| 20:57.53 | SuperPhly | somiaj: these are sata |
| 20:58.02 | wjtaylor | I'm having trouble in a mixed Windows / Debian environment. Does anyone know of a windows irc channel? |
| 20:58.32 | wjtaylor | nevermind I fat fingured it last time |
| 20:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max ---> 32768 |
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| 20:59.27 | apes | Anyone know where I can find detailed information on the settings in limits.conf? The manpage is very basic. |
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| 21:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is the default) |
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| 21:02.36 | postfixhelp | does anyone know how to tell postfix to reject relay of an email based on a from header? |
| 21:03.03 | postfixhelp | like if someone sends to my server and says 'from me@gmail.com' instead of me@mycompany.com' the email is rejected |
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| 21:05.59 | Inv1s1ble | What's the right way to create symlinks for your service within a DEBIAN/postinst when building packages? |
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| 21:07.44 | jhutchins_wk | What do I need to do to change an LVM partition from /dev/mapper/<name> to /dev/sd? |
| 21:07.59 | jhutchins_wk | Not using LVM has finally gotten me in trouble. |
| 21:08.25 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat, is this an openvz container? |
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| 21:09.18 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk, the PV should be a /dev/sd? |
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| 21:10.14 | jordanm | apes, what do you feel is missing? |
| 21:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, no, just desktop... woken from hibernate is the only think slightly unusual about it I'd think |
| 21:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also retrying a couple of times then giving me the shell |
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| 21:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... now stopped giving the error |
| 21:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps something created a lot of processes with a short lifetime |
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| 21:11.59 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: It should be, but it was created as a /dev/mapper/<name> multi-path device (with one path). |
| 21:12.18 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk, the LV or the PV? |
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| 21:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | Um. |
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| 21:13.14 | apes | jordanm: There is data, stack, as, and memlock, and I'm not 100% sure on how they all actually map out. |
| 21:13.15 | SuperPhly | so when i'm booting up, there's a bunch of services that didn't start up correctly... |
| 21:13.17 | jhutchins_wk | When the machine was set up, the drive was mapped as a multipath device. |
| 21:13.23 | SuperPhly | they say error in red, how do i get a log of that? |
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| 21:13.32 | SuperPhly | failed, sorry. |
| 21:13.52 | jordanm | SuperPhly, check /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 21:14.40 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: My knowledge of LVM is almost non-existant. |
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| 21:15.28 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk, show the output of `pvs; lvdisplay` |
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| 21:19.42 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: I must confess, this not a Debian machine. Perhaps I should take this to PM? |
| 21:19.57 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk, sure, or #d-ot |
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| 21:20.13 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk, and you should know better :) |
| 21:20.41 | jhutchins_wk | I of all people should. |
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| 21:24.16 | ws2k3 | can i add an ip to my machine with ip address add and provide a gateway and netmask ? |
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| 21:25.16 | somiaj | SuperPhly: oh I'm unsure, I didn't think sata was hotplug, but I forget. I think you need esata for that |
| 21:26.00 | SuperPhly | somiaj: it's hotpluggable. |
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| 21:26.16 | somiaj | SuperPhly: I would just try it, but yea I am unsure |
| 21:26.24 | garulf | guys I've problem with my hd in debian. After 20sec of freezing the pending operation dmesg says device reported invalid CHS sector 0, followed by some hard link reset |
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| 21:26.49 | SuperPhly | It worked like a charm. |
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| 21:27.20 | teliti | Hello. Is it possible to find out which package do I have to install to get the latex package "wrapfig" installed? |
| 21:27.38 | jordanm | ,file wrapfig |
| 21:27.43 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:28.02 | jordanm | teliti, is wrapfig a command? |
| 21:28.23 | teliti | No, it isn't. |
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| 21:28.40 | teliti | It's a LaTeX package |
| 21:28.56 | jordanm | teliti, texlive-latex-extra |
| 21:29.11 | jordanm | via apt-cache search wrapfig |
| 21:29.25 | teliti | thank you jordanm :-) |
| 21:29.53 | Rix | v |
| 21:29.54 | Rix | is it bad if i set ulimit -Hu and -Su to 128 000 (processes limit, default 32000) |
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| 21:33.22 | ws2k3 | can i add an ip to my machine with ip address add and provide a gateway and netmask ? |
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| 21:34.59 | num7 | Hi, does someone know how to enable the vi mode on MonoDevelop 3.0.3.2? |
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| 21:48.49 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I think you need two interfaces for that. |
| 21:49.13 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I'm not certain though. It's theoretically possible, |
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| 21:51.04 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:52.46 | Dry_Lips | Hi! I've got two hard disks in my computer... I've installed Debian to the SSD, but at the end I'm asked if I want to "install the Grub boot loader to the master boot record of your first drive". This isn't necessarily my SSD, is it? |
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| 21:54.39 | Dry_Lips | Is there any way to install the GRUB to my ssd (sdf) instead of my hdd (sda) |
| 21:54.48 | Dry_Lips | During installation... |
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| 21:56.05 | jordanm | Dry_Lips, you want grub on the first boot device. doesn't matter if that's where you installed debian |
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| 21:56.52 | Sandman9 | Can someone help http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/2111 |
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| 21:57.11 | bazhang | try #crunchbang Sandman9 |
| 21:57.25 | Sandman9 | I am..but no one there |
| 21:57.27 | Sandman9 | to help |
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| 21:57.39 | bazhang | debian does not support that afaik |
| 21:57.39 | Dry_Lips | jordanm: thanks, I'm just thinking that a SSD would be more less prone to malfunction than my hdd... |
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| 22:11.15 | Christoff522 | debian rocks |
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| 22:11.32 | Vicissitude | well, it pebbles |
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| 22:12.13 | Christoff522 | well, im currently running it on my samsung galaxy s2, and both laptops..im thoroughly impressed |
| 22:12.33 | kexibq | anyone know why i would get some errors produced when trying to install build-essential and devscripts with wheezy? |
| 22:12.51 | Christoff522 | what sort of errors? |
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| 22:13.15 | zykotick9 | !tell kexibq about bat |
| 22:13.27 | tharkun | kexibq: paste the errors on a pastebin |
| 22:14.24 | kexibq | http://pastebin.com/TJEGDaui tharkun |
| 22:14.29 | wjtaylor | can a dd file be mounted? |
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| 22:15.07 | dondelelcaro | wjtaylor: yes, through a loopback device |
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| 22:17.28 | moof2 | ws2k3, yes, you can in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:20.50 | BaKKaR | hello everyone, i am trying to get somesupport for the apt-get package tool |
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| 22:21.41 | Section58 | http://pastie.org/8035089 dhcp problems, not offing me a static ip, but a dynamic one |
| 22:21.47 | BaKKaR | basically there is a pack that has been downloaded but does not want to install. I have tried (clean, install -f) everything i can think of cant still get it off the system nor install it. It is a broken pack |
| 22:22.11 | BaKKaR | looking for you kind support :) |
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| 22:25.20 | moof2 | BaKKaR, more info |
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| 22:26.07 | moof2 | full output of the install command, including exact text of the command line you used |
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| 22:26.22 | tharkun | Section58: the ip you are requesting is not on the subnet the dhcp server is responsable for. |
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| 22:26.43 | Section58 | how can i make it resonsible for that range too ? |
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| 22:27.09 | Section58 | i can't see examples on google |
| 22:28.30 | Section58 | i effectivally wish to lease that dynamtic range, and the static ip on the different subnet to that host |
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| 22:29.01 | Section58 | with a similar range snippet i feared the wrong computers to get the wrong range |
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| 22:29.20 | barbado | Hi all. |
| 22:29.51 | else- | anyone knows how to do usb passthrough with lxc? can't seem to find information on that |
| 22:29.56 | else- | lsusb just dies with error -99 |
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| 22:30.03 | else- | (can't open the bus, no device nodes available) |
| 22:30.28 | moof2 | else-, not in man lsusb? |
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| 22:31.04 | else- | why should it be there? it's more like a general problem. |
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| 22:31.10 | else- | there are no usb devices in the container. |
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| 22:31.26 | barbado | Can you please help me providing me with info of some APT repos offering the "quake2" package? |
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| 22:31.31 | BaKKaR | guys ... someone can help with the package manager apt-get? |
| 22:31.40 | moof2 | BaKKaR, more info |
| 22:31.47 | moof2 | full output of the install command, including exact text of the command line you used |
| 22:31.52 | bazhang | BaKKaR, with Mint? |
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| 22:32.52 | BaKKaR | moof2: --> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libembryo0_1.7.7-1ppa1~raring_amd64.deb (--unpack) |
| 22:33.00 | BaKKaR | moof2: it is a PPA from ubuntu |
| 22:33.10 | moof2 | which you're installing on what? |
| 22:33.31 | BaKKaR | moof2: i was trying to install E17, actually upgrading it! |
| 22:33.58 | BaKKaR | moof2: so i used the GUI upgrade tool. Did not work. Did apt-get clean then Update then Upgrade |
| 22:34.08 | BaKKaR | but the broken pack always stops me |
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| 22:34.33 | moof2 | what os and version are you running? |
| 22:34.35 | bazhang | ppa from ubuntu onto mint BaKKaR ? |
| 22:34.41 | BaKKaR | moof2: i have tried as well autoinstall / autoremove / -f install ..... all no joy |
| 22:34.54 | BaKKaR | bazhang: yes |
| 22:35.10 | bazhang | and asking for support in #debian ... |
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| 22:35.40 | bazhang | #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 22:35.46 | zykotick9 | barbado: honestly, i haven't had a package for quake2, in quite some time. good luck, i hope it still runs in modern libraries for you. |
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| 22:36.41 | BaKKaR | bazhang: thank you u have mentioned that. Someone is kind to give a hand so pls allow me to be helped :) |
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| 22:37.09 | BaKKaR | moof2: I am running mint 15 aka raring |
| 22:37.15 | BaKKaR | moof2: I am running mint 15 aka raring 13.04 |
| 22:37.17 | phlux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:37.49 | phlux | BaKKaR: I don't ask for Gentoo support here, because it's likely that most people wouldn't know how to answer the Gentoo-specific questions in #Debian. |
| 22:38.16 | BaKKaR | phlux: i understood his point. I respect the rules as well. Believe me i wont be here if i have not tried there first and could not get enough support. |
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| 22:38.40 | phlux | BaKKaR: That's tough. You're still not going to get help here, and you obviously don't respect the rules. |
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| 22:39.26 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.39 | BaKKaR | phlux: thank you |
| 22:40.00 | BaKKaR | bazhang: yeah I know it :) the XCHAT is connecting to it by default :) |
| 22:40.06 | barbado | zykotick9: so far I found 2 places searching via "www.apt-get.org" but they do not seem to work via command line APT. I have edited "sources.list", did an "apt-get update" but only see quake2-data on there. Repos are: |
| 22:40.49 | phlux | please don't paste your entire sources.list.. |
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| 22:41.01 | BaKKaR | bazhang and phlux at least i was honest when i said I am on mint when i know it is Debian support |
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| 22:41.11 | zykotick9 | barbado: adding random repos from the internet, usually ends in tears. i'd just try finding a DEB if i where you. but seriously, random repos are a bad idea. |
| 22:41.25 | phlux | BaKKaR: That doesn't change the fact that you're asking in the wrong channel |
| 22:41.33 | BaKKaR | moof2: they discouraged you, eh? |
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| 22:41.41 | wjtaylor | I can't mount this dd image (incorrectly named iso). Does this look mountable? |
| 22:41.45 | wjtaylor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5756483/ |
| 22:42.15 | barbado | deb ftp://www.markus-raab.org/eigene ./ |
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| 22:42.17 | barbado | deb ftp://www.markus-raab.org/apps ./ |
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| 22:42.29 | BaKKaR | phlux: that does not change the fact that someone was willing and was helping. When you have kindly jumped in. I dont mint if you were supporting then you have stopped. But to discourage ppl. MEH! |
| 22:42.30 | abrotman | barbado: do you need help ? |
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| 22:43.13 | phlux | BaKKaR: I didn't discourage anyone. He was asking what you were trying to install it on (meaning the operating system). If anything, you discouraged him when you said "Yes, I'm running Mint." |
| 22:43.18 | n-iCe | Hello guys, something must be wrong with todays testing lxde iso debian cd, it did not install anything, looks like a minimal installation, DE was not even installed. |
| 22:43.27 | phlux | Anyways, please ask for help elsewhere, BaKKaR |
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| 22:43.32 | n-iCe | In order to install lxde, would lxde-core and xserver-org work |
| 22:43.32 | phlux | Good luck |
| 22:43.35 | n-iCe | ? |
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| 22:43.55 | n-iCe | I have no browser, so can't really check the packages. |
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| 22:44.01 | n-iCe | Have no X, indeed. |
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| 22:44.06 | barbado | zykotick9: I know, it's a Wheezy vm. It's just that my boss ordered us to play with him xD |
| 22:44.21 | BaKKaR | Anyways, thank you for reminding me for the 1^10000 time. Thank you phlux :) |
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| 22:45.00 | barbado | abrotman: hey. yes, thanks. I'm looking for a quake2 package. |
| 22:45.01 | zykotick9 | barbado: well, good luck. but as i've said, i haven't had a native quake2 in quite some time. hope you have better luck then me. |
| 22:45.05 | administ` | hello debian |
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| 22:45.18 | phlux | BaKKaR: Good luck elsewhere. |
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| 22:45.48 | moof2 | BaKKaR, the ppas likely won't work; you may have to compile what you'd want from them |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | still offtopic here |
| 22:46.04 | n-iCe | !lxde |
| 22:46.05 | moof2 | oops :P |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:46.09 | barbado | a deb package would be fine :) |
| 22:46.11 | n-iCe | !install lxde |
| 22:46.11 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
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| 22:47.12 | BaKKaR | moof2: i can live with that. The question is how to get the broken pack resolved. Even Synaptic cannot resolve the broken dependencies :-/ |
| 22:47.36 | n-iCe | !install |
| 22:47.37 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 22:47.38 | n-iCe | !install x |
| 22:47.42 | phlux | sighs |
| 22:47.52 | BaKKaR | moof2: now my hall pack installation tools kinds (jammed) if you know what i mean |
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| 22:48.17 | abrotman | BaKKaR: are you running Debian ytet? |
| 22:48.24 | abrotman | n-iCe: msg the bot please |
| 22:48.45 | BaKKaR | abrotman: ytet?! |
| 22:48.46 | n-iCe | abrotman: sure, the thing is already did what it say, install xserver-xorg and lxde but startx does not work. |
| 22:49.02 | BaKKaR | unstable u mean? |
| 22:49.25 | abrotman | n-iCe: package is 'xorg' |
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| 22:51.40 | wjtaylor | I have most of my sound working. I have the gnome volume applet working with my internal sound card, but the volume control on the gnome panel (at the top) doesn't do anything. I have to double-click and set it manually. |
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| 22:53.04 | barbado | Oh man I just don't wanna play Quake 2 on some m$ crap :'( |
| 22:54.17 | barbado | somebody...? |
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| 22:54.57 | wjtaylor | wait... I have TWO volume controls in my panel... ??? |
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| 22:59.42 | barbado | What is wrong with the world when APT cannot point some quake2 package? |
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| 23:02.56 | n-iCe | abrotman: worked, I'm in lxde |
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| 23:18.03 | ThothCastel | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart is not restarting the service... |
| 23:18.22 | ThothCastel | is this a wrong command to restart network services after change of ip settings? |
| 23:18.27 | ThothCastel | debian 7 |
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| 23:21.54 | dondelelcaro | ThothCastel: that won't actually do anything |
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| 23:22.11 | dondelelcaro | ThothCastel: in general, you'd have to run ifdown interfacename; ifup interfacename; |
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| 23:22.49 | ThothCastel | dondelelcaro: is that command not supported in debian? |
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| 23:23.16 | dondelelcaro | ThothCastel: which command? |
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| 23:24.07 | dondelelcaro | ThothCastel: /etc/init.d/networking restart; will restart network settings if you're using ifupdown |
| 23:24.21 | dondelelcaro | (but generally speaking, you often only want to restart the particular interface you are using) |
| 23:25.01 | ThothCastel | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 23:25.14 | n-iCe | hello, any package to configurate my mouse? want to enable mousepad click |
| 23:26.12 | Archwyrm | Hi, I get this 'exec: 3: grub-mkconfig: not found' when upgrading the kernel. packages.debian.org says grub-mkconfig does not exist in any package. Full output: http://pastebin.com/nbKsaGxM Any ideas? |
| 23:26.44 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: in theory, xinput can do that. |
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| 23:27.05 | Archwyrm | (still running Debian 6 by the way) |
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| 23:27.51 | n-iCe | installing |
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| 23:28.51 | ThothCastel | with static ip addressing, if I leave without the network and the broadcast, will that be ok? |
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| 23:29.41 | dondelelcaro | Archwyrm: grub-mkconfig is in grub-common |
| 23:29.54 | dondelelcaro | ThothCastel: if you specify the netmask, that's fine |
| 23:30.15 | dondelelcaro | unless your networking is insane, anyway |
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| 23:31.43 | wjtaylor | How do I remove an item from the notification area? |
| 23:31.49 | matlock | maybe you guys can shed some light on this. |
| 23:32.29 | matlock | http://imgur.com/op9TU9V |
| 23:32.52 | dondelelcaro | matlock: what about it? |
| 23:33.12 | Archwyrm | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I reinstalled grub-common and that fixed it. Might be some other issue underlying. |
| 23:33.14 | matlock | http://imgur.com/uh41y46 |
| 23:33.21 | matlock | well it doesn't seem reasonable |
| 23:33.44 | matlock | that i have nothing but a terminal window open and my cpu is at or above 90% |
| 23:34.04 | dondelelcaro | matlock: see what top; says. |
| 23:34.12 | matlock | yea i did |
| 23:34.26 | Archwyrm | dondelelcaro: Oh, and apparently I'm blind. I was using 'Search package directories' on packages.debian.org :) |
| 23:35.09 | dondelelcaro | matlock: and? use a paste site to give its output |
| 23:35.47 | Archwyrm | His xorg is using 40% CPU. |
| 23:35.47 | matlock | http://imgur.com/k0gXIs6 |
| 23:35.51 | matlock | yea it is |
| 23:35.57 | matlock | i got compiz running |
| 23:36.07 | matlock | but fresh after a boot? |
| 23:36.18 | matlock | that shouldn't be using nearly that much |
| 23:36.33 | Archwyrm | matlock: Has this machine comfortably run with compiz before? |
| 23:36.37 | dondelelcaro | you're probably using compiz without a working gl renderer, or something similar. |
| 23:36.54 | matlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.10 | matlock | well it should have a gl renderer |
| 23:37.20 | matlock | i mean i got cairo-dock in gl mode |
| 23:37.50 | Archwyrm | It could be using software GL, hence the high CPU usage. |
| 23:37.53 | matlock | Archwyrm, honestly i've never checked the system monitor for cpu usage |
| 23:37.55 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; I don't use copmiz. Someone else here might be able to help you, but that's most likely where your problem is. |
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| 23:38.24 | matlock | swapped to metacity |
| 23:38.26 | matlock | cpu still high |
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| 23:39.55 | matlock | direct rendering: Yes |
| 23:39.55 | matlock | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9600M GS/PCI/SSE2 |
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| 23:41.10 | matlock | it's like system monitor is seeing something running nothing else is seeing.... |
| 23:41.24 | Archwyrm | I'd try running X with xinit and see if you still have that load. |
| 23:41.36 | matlock | how do? |
| 23:42.03 | matlock | I didn't notice a complete slowdown until like two days ago also |
| 23:42.13 | matlock | before that i've had an uptime of something like 60 some odd days |
| 23:42.46 | Archwyrm | matlock: xinit -- xterm |
| 23:43.04 | Archwyrm | That should get you a basic X server with just the terminal. |
| 23:43.29 | matlock | kk |
| 23:43.32 | matlock | so i'll be back |
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| 23:46.27 | matlock | hmm |
| 23:46.30 | matlock | i can't drop to tty |
| 23:47.05 | matlock | welp |
| 23:47.09 | matlock | reinstall time i guess. |
| 23:47.12 | Archwyrm | matlock: Might have to go to runlevel 3. |
| 23:47.27 | matlock | it's a laptop with internal monitor problems |
| 23:47.33 | matlock | so i have an external hooked up |
| 23:48.01 | Archwyrm | Oh? And the tty doesn't display on the external? |
| 23:48.01 | matlock | when i switch from tty8 to any of the others it kills my external screen |
| 23:48.06 | matlock | it used to |
| 23:48.14 | matlock | something's borked |
| 23:48.18 | Archwyrm | Ah ha. |
| 23:48.54 | matlock | and there's 7 updates it won't install... |
| 23:48.57 | Archwyrm | You could start a second X server. |
| 23:49.51 | Archwyrm | Actually, you can just do this: xinit -- :0 |
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| 23:50.01 | Archwyrm | It will default to starting an xterm. |
| 23:50.14 | Archwyrm | I had forgotten that because I use an xsession file. |
| 23:50.34 | Archwyrm | Err, in your case you want: xinit -- :1 |
| 23:52.25 | matlock | yea i think imma backup my shit |
| 23:52.28 | matlock | and reinstall |
| 23:52.32 | matlock | sorry for the lang |
| 23:53.24 | Archwyrm | matlock: Heh, good luck. Got to run myself. |
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| 23:59.31 | tgs3 | how to give packages to network-less machine over usb stick? record installer CD1 .iso to stick and put that in machine and run apt-cdrom? |