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| 00:01.32 | dondelelcaro | tgs3: you should be able to use apt-zip |
| 00:01.48 | dondelelcaro | tgs3: or you can do that if you want |
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| 00:08.05 | tgs3 | dondelelcaro: I don't get the wiki page about it. So to install "vim, mc, atop, g++" (with all dependencies) on non network computer A, with availalbe networked computer B (also debian) what do I type on A, then on B, then on A again? |
| 00:09.20 | tgs3 | meh apt-zip is not in default. So I can just use CDROM .iso on USB + apt-cdrom? |
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| 00:09.39 | dehbohtaw | His Holiness position on Facebook is well known but has He said anything about badoo? |
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| 00:09.53 | themill | dehbohtaw: wrong channel? |
| 00:10.43 | dehbohtaw | His Holiness position on DEBIAN and Facebook is well known but has He said anything about badoo? |
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| 00:10.58 | dondelelcaro | tgs3: it isn't, but you can get the package and dpkg -i it. You can also mount cdroms via loopback or similar, and use apt-cdrom that way |
| 00:11.57 | tgs3 | dondelelcaro: apt-cdrom insisnts on mounting a cd.. even with -m option, will it work fine where I jsut mount usb into /mnt/foo ? |
| 00:12.08 | dondelelcaro | tgs3: it should, I bleive |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | but I don't use apt-cdrom or really apt-zip... |
| 00:12.21 | tgs3 | is intersted who His Holiness was anyway >_> |
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| 00:14.46 | n-iCe | was iwlwifi removed on jessie? |
| 00:14.55 | n-iCe | can't load my wireless card, it was firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:15.09 | themill | ,v firmware-iwlwifi --release jessie |
| 00:15.10 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 0.38 |
| 00:15.42 | n-iCe | I'm in 64bits |
| 00:15.44 | n-iCe | could be that? |
| 00:16.04 | dondelelcaro | anyway, with apt-zip, you can go apt-zip-list -p vim mc atop g++ --medium /mnt/foo; then run the script produced on the networked machine, and then run apt-zip-inst --medium /mnt/foo -p vim mc atop g++; |
| 00:16.04 | themill | no. Are you missing non-free in your sources.liste? |
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| 00:17.12 | n-iCe | checking themill |
| 00:17.43 | n-iCe | Err http://ftp.debian.org jessie-updates/contrib amd64 Packages |
| 00:17.55 | n-iCe | I assume that's why |
| 00:18.38 | themill | n-iCe: there's no such thing as jessie-updates. Also, please use a different mirror to ftp.debian.org |
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| 00:21.27 | n-iCe | so this thing does not work http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 00:22.14 | themill | no. It's crap and best avoided |
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| 00:24.34 | themill | in fact it seems even more broken now than when I last looked at it and it was pretty broken then... "ftp.debian.org/debian/ Sid-updates" "security.debian.org/ Sid/updates" |
| 00:24.51 | n-iCe | I see |
| 00:25.03 | n-iCe | where can we get the correct sources list we should have |
| 00:25.11 | themill | dpkg: tell n-iCe about jessie sources.list |
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| 00:26.35 | a7x | dpkg firmware |
| 00:26.35 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 00:34.10 | wjtaylor | how do I give a folder one of those custom icons I see in my home directory? |
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| 00:43.00 | themill | sends another grumpy email to the maintainer of debgen asking him to fix that damned site |
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| 00:55.43 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Wait, I thought we were _supposed_ to use ftp.debian.org and let IT handle the load balancing and geography. |
| 01:00.09 | jhutchins_wk | wjtaylor: Look for hidden files in folders that have custom icons. see what's in them. |
| 01:00.22 | themill | jhutchins_wk: no. I'm sure we've had that discussion before |
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| 01:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Supposed to use the country code then? |
| 01:01.02 | jhutchins_wk | I mean, I suppose I could just go read the instructions... |
| 01:01.56 | themill | jhutchins_wk: if you want automagical, use http.debian.net; if you want to pick one mirror, then grab one from the mirrors list |
| 01:02.08 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, http. |
| 01:02.17 | jhutchins_wk | read the directions. |
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| 01:03.58 | jhutchins_wk | wjtaylor: I mean, I can tell you, but it's fun to find it yourself. |
| 01:05.17 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, there may be a way to do the custom icon through a GUI, I dunno. |
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| 01:15.11 | Chris | Good day guys |
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| 01:15.26 | jacks4899 | Hi! |
| 01:15.36 | Guest17768 | Could you please help me with something about my debian 7 installation |
| 01:15.46 | jacks4899 | Possibly… what's up? |
| 01:16.43 | moof2 | Guest17768, we like helping with something! |
| 01:16.48 | Guest17768 | Ok, look, I was installing the OS with a minimal CD installation, when I reached the part where it selects the packages, there was an error and the packages were not downloaded, now I only have console and no desktop environment |
| 01:17.14 | jacks4899 | Do you have network connection? |
| 01:17.17 | moof2 | sometimes the base is installed from the cd |
| 01:17.19 | Guest17768 | yup |
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| 01:17.53 | moof2 | did the installer succeed at starting the net (for installation purposes)? |
| 01:18.14 | jacks4899 | Also, were you using the Stable CD? |
| 01:18.15 | Guest17768 | Yup, the problem was in package number 680/1390 |
| 01:18.22 | Guest17768 | I was using the stable CD |
| 01:18.47 | jacks4899 | Ok. what happens when you type starts? |
| 01:18.50 | jacks4899 | *startx |
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| 01:19.40 | Guest17768 | bash: startx: command not found |
| 01:20.22 | jacks4899 | ok. do an 'aptitude install xorg gnome' |
| 01:20.38 | moof2 | would you mihd retrying the install, this time unselect all package groupings so you get the minimal install, have it install that (the minimum) and reboot into it |
| 01:20.47 | moof2 | startx might be in xbase-clients |
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| 01:21.45 | Guest17768 | Ok moof2 I will proceed with a fresh reinstall, I will be back when it finishes, yeah |
| 01:21.58 | jacks4899 | yea, definitely do that. |
| 01:22.32 | jacks4899 | So guys, who uses Firefox/Iceweasel and who uses Chromium/Chrome? |
| 01:22.51 | moof2 | who's who? |
| 01:23.02 | phy1729 | jacks4899: why? use whichever you like |
| 01:23.07 | jacks4899 | I don |
| 01:23.10 | jacks4899 | *'t know |
| 01:23.13 | jacks4899 | just curious |
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| 01:25.32 | ImaLamer | apt-get upgrade'n a machine to wheezy over ssh... should i be ready to get up? |
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| 01:26.12 | jacks4899 | I didn't have to. |
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| 01:27.28 | ImaLamer | opened the machine to add a HDD, added 3 more in the end and now i'm making it all yummy |
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| 01:28.23 | dasher__ | hi |
| 01:28.30 | dasher__ | penis pump sold here? |
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| 01:29.03 | dasher__ | I need one |
| 01:29.06 | moof2 | we make them out of leg bones... why, you volunteering? |
| 01:29.25 | dasher__ | no I need someone to make one for me |
| 01:29.44 | moof2 | ok, saw off your leg and wait 6 weeks |
| 01:29.55 | dasher__ | how does that help? |
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| 01:30.13 | galaxyquest993 | I tried to install Debian on my UEFI motherboard. Each time get to the install screen my keyboard and mouse stop working. My bios settings are all to legacy and not UEFI. Is there a fix? |
| 01:30.15 | LtL | moof2: don't feed the troll man |
| 01:30.24 | ImaLamer | you are less concerned with your penis at that point |
| 01:30.32 | dasher__ | oh |
| 01:30.49 | moof2 | LtL, yeah, no kidding... |
| 01:30.51 | dasher__ | I thought all linux geeks used penis pumps |
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| 01:31.36 | ImaLamer | galaxyquest993: upon seeing the install screen? before or after you can change the options (type of install, etc) |
| 01:31.45 | dasher__ | amirite? |
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| 01:32.26 | galaxyquest993 | ImaLamer: It happens when seeing the install screen. I can not type, scroll or tab over to complete install. |
| 01:33.01 | dasher__ | also apt-get install penispump doesn't work |
| 01:33.05 | ImaLamer | galaxyquest993: after text, when you hit the GUI |
| 01:33.15 | ImaLamer | dasher__: that's an ubuntu package, so offtopic |
| 01:33.26 | dasher__ | oh |
| 01:34.01 | galaxyquest993 | ImaLamer: Right. I have tried text install and gui install and both fail to give me keyboard / mouse use. |
| 01:34.35 | galaxyquest993 | My keyboard and mouse are both USB 2.0. |
| 01:34.45 | ImaLamer | galaxyquest993: do they happen to be wireless USB? |
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| 01:35.04 | ImaLamer | galaxyquest993: it may be worth check if 'legacy' usb input is turned on in the BIOS |
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| 01:35.19 | ImaLamer | *may be* because i'm grasping at straws |
| 01:35.34 | galaxyquest993 | ImaLamer: Both wired. This is why I am puzzles. This should be easy install. And yes everything is set to Legacy Only. |
| 01:35.44 | galaxyquest993 | Puzzled* |
| 01:36.59 | ImaLamer | i mean legacy USB HID inputs... i can't remember how my BIOS names it |
| 01:37.19 | ImaLamer | it's off typically, and works fine, but was just wondering.. |
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| 01:37.41 | LtL | galaxyquest993: many UEFI boards have a secure boot toggle, be certain that's disabled if applicable. |
| 01:38.37 | galaxyquest993 | LtL: I have looked for that I have not found it. I will try to go to mobo site and see if there's a fix. |
| 01:38.41 | ImaLamer | restored grub with parted magic USB stick - is it common to have it change the hostname on you? |
| 01:39.10 | ImaLamer | galaxyquest993: maybe changing 'everything' to legacy has broken something |
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| 01:40.06 | galaxyquest993 | ImaLamer: I have tried that too. I thought the problem was that Debian is not signed and UEFI is blocking install. I don't know. |
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| 01:42.39 | galaxyquest993 | ImaLamer, LtL: Thank you both. I will try to research more. |
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| 01:45.14 | ImaLamer | i don't know UEFI, but would the live CD boot at all? no idea how bad it's locked down |
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| 01:51.51 | Christcb | Hello moof2 are you still there? |
| 01:52.57 | Christcb | I am in the software selection screen in the fresh installation |
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| 01:53.20 | Inv1s1ble | when using dpkg -b to create a Debian package, how do I get it to not package .gitignore files |
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| 01:53.51 | Christcb | So, I must not select a single option, right? Not even the laptop nor standard system utilities? |
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| 01:55.01 | moof2 | Christcb, so something was wrong after installing maybe 70% of the packages... let's install less packages (maybe much less) |
| 01:55.38 | Christcb | I do not have any of the packages selected, should I select any? |
| 01:56.05 | moof2 | you can do that later. did you configure the sources from the list of mirrors? |
| 01:56.20 | Christcb | I am still in the instala |
| 01:56.44 | Christcb | Installation, I selected the ftp debian source |
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| 01:56.59 | Christcb | From US |
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| 01:57.34 | moof2 | ok, so howbout we try installing nothing else (this is very temporary), and let it continue |
| 01:58.27 | moof2 | as soon as you reboot into your new installation, you can run tasksel |
| 01:58.28 | Christcb | Ok, continuing without any package. Remember that I am using a netinst cd,no problem with that righr? |
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| 01:58.48 | moof2 | nope, I don't see one right now |
| 01:59.00 | Christcb | Cool, hitting continue |
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| 01:59.35 | Christcb | The new debian looks amazing, I am dying for use it |
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| 02:00.35 | moof2 | so as soon as the installer reboots your machine and you log back in, you'll be in your debian. |
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| 02:00.53 | nfm | Hi, is there a security/other reason for why local email to root is redirected to a standard user? I was trying to get mutt + fetchmail + postfix working together and failed miserably, but I learned more about email than I thought possible and that was something I was curious about. Apparently "Exim cannot deliver as root since 4.24" but no explanation is given as to why. |
| 02:01.23 | moof2 | having said that, right now if I'm understanding correctly, you will not yet have any graphical stuff... it will be all text only |
| 02:01.45 | jacks4899 | I can't really think of anything, other than if an infected executable was sent to root and opened it could wreak more havoc. |
| 02:01.52 | Christcb | That is righht moof2 |
| 02:02.23 | moof2 | that will change once you install the stuff that puts the graphical stuff on your machine |
| 02:02.43 | Christcb | Great, how should I proceed now? |
| 02:02.56 | moof2 | is it rebooting? |
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| 02:03.17 | Christcb | Already and logged |
| 02:03.23 | dondelelcaro | nfm: there's quite a bit of difference between delivering as root and delivering to root. |
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| 02:03.36 | moof2 | ok, there is a thing you can run called tasksel (as root) |
| 02:03.51 | moof2 | then you can select the groups you want |
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| 02:04.17 | dondelelcaro | nfm: delivery does not happen as root, but mail can be delivered to /var/mail/root or similar |
| 02:04.33 | moof2 | they won't come from the cd (err, I don't think they will), and this might fix the problem from before (where it got stuck) |
| 02:04.41 | dondelelcaro | nfm: however, since you almost certainly don't want to read mail as root, almost every system redirects mail to root to some other local or remote user. |
| 02:04.52 | Christcb | So, I must select the desktop environment and laptop, yeah? |
| 02:05.08 | moof2 | sure, is that what you did before? |
| 02:05.19 | nfm | dondelelcaro: Ok, so it's not an exim thing but an OS thing? |
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| 02:05.44 | Christcb | Yes, but also the basic system utilities, they do not appear in this screen |
| 02:05.46 | dondelelcaro | nfm: the delivery not running as root is an exim thing, but almost every single MTA does not do delivery as root |
| 02:05.48 | moof2 | let's put names when we talk, there's a coupla other conversations going (like this: Chriscb, something) |
| 02:06.12 | nfm | Ah, I see. |
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| 02:06.49 | Christcb | Moof2 installing the stuffs now, give me a moment, it will take a while |
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| 02:07.22 | dondelelcaro | (it's also possible that exim may not allow root's .procmailrc to be fired; I'm not sure aout that) |
| 02:07.24 | moof2 | Christcb, as far as I know, the base is already installed... I think you're thinking of what has been called "the standard system" |
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| 02:08.10 | moof2 | how would I go about installing standard? |
| 02:08.23 | Christcb | I believe moof2 |
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| 02:12.03 | Christcb | moof2 28 minutes remaining, I will be right back once it finishes, is ok? |
| 02:13.37 | moof2 | sure... and, you can try rebooting after that, you should get the graphical stuff (unless there are driver/firmware issues) |
| 02:14.07 | Christcb | Ok, I will try once it is done. Thanks a lot moof2 |
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| 02:15.35 | moof2 | sure. enjoy your debian |
| 02:15.45 | dvs | he's gone |
| 02:16.04 | moof2 | oh ok |
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| 02:16.54 | user0 | Hey, can someone tell me when this does not work ? http://cxg.de/_876772.htm |
| 02:16.58 | user0 | why* |
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| 02:32.31 | ImaLamer | during the move to wheezy i get the standard prompts to keep/replace config files... if i go to the shell, can i view the new version somewhere? |
| 02:33.03 | ImaLamer | (does this send the job to the background, bring back with 'fg' or do i 'exit') |
| 02:33.35 | WormFood | what was the logic behind moving /var/run to /run in wheezy? |
| 02:33.49 | WormFood | you type "exit" |
| 02:33.50 | themill | !run |
| 02:33.50 | dpkg | /run is a new cross-distribution location for storing transient writable files needed from system startup to shutdown, but do not require preserving across reboots. It replaces several locations in the <FHS>. http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory |
| 02:34.36 | dvs | ImaLamer: It creates a new file with an ending like "dpkg-new" or something like that. |
| 02:34.38 | WormFood | thanks themill |
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| 02:35.27 | ImaLamer | thanks dvs |
| 02:35.39 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:36.32 | ImaLamer | usually my changes have been exotic enough that i keep my config, but for once i'm actually changing it |
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| 02:42.51 | madprops | ImaLamer, how did you know? |
| 02:43.09 | ImaLamer | i knew something? |
| 02:43.22 | dvs | REALLY!?! |
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| 02:44.38 | ImaLamer | madprops: give me something to go on here |
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| 02:46.14 | ImaLamer | i trucked through the upgrade to wheezy and it 'looked' like it finished, didn't prompt to reboot, and apt-get upgrade shows 1,050 packages being held back... |
| 02:46.40 | dvs | ImaLamer: did you do a "dist-upgrade"? |
| 02:46.45 | themill | did you follow the release notes? |
| 02:46.53 | dvs | even better!! |
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| 02:47.01 | ImaLamer | moi, never |
| 02:47.09 | dvs | heh, that's why |
| 02:47.46 | dvs | If you did that with squeeze, you whoulda been screwed |
| 02:47.51 | ImaLamer | did this last week-ish without doing any RTFM and didn't have this |
| 02:48.27 | ImaLamer | yeah, i did read this |
| 02:48.54 | ImaLamer | kinda |
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| 02:55.19 | ImaLamer | seems like it just died on the 'triggers for menu' |
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| 02:58.48 | themill | ImaLamer: you need to commands and output in a pastebin for us to help you -- our ESP isn't perfect |
| 03:00.00 | ImaLamer | I think I found that I have mysteriously run out of room on /var |
| 03:00.06 | ImaLamer | which, is news to me |
| 03:00.24 | themill | predicts that the release notes cover this |
| 03:00.44 | ImaLamer | news to me that i wouldn't have room in that PC |
| 03:03.17 | ImaLamer | what does the release notes say about blatant stupidity? |
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| 03:04.35 | ImaLamer | just two days ago i put some big stupid file in /var/www for someone |
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| 03:08.55 | themill | the release notes does actually have a section on making sure you have enough room in /var ;) |
| 03:09.40 | ImaLamer | oh, i know, and i didn't think about it since... i forgot about putting that directory out there |
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| 03:14.42 | ImaLamer | (it is chugging along just finely now) |
| 03:14.56 | ImaLamer | once your remove the users, the machines do alright |
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| 03:33.13 | lng | Hi! I have addded repository and then removed it and issued apt-get update, but now I have: php5-cli : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.6) but 5.4.15-1~precise+1 is to be installed |
| 03:33.52 | lng | seams like it is not removed |
| 03:34.05 | themill | lng: you want #ubuntu |
| 03:34.22 | lng | is not apt the same? |
| 03:34.41 | themill | no it isn't. And this is a problem with the packages not with apt in any case. |
| 03:34.49 | lng | yea |
| 03:34.51 | lng | ok |
| 03:35.06 | themill | and also, ubuntu users are supported in #ubuntu not here anyway. |
| 03:35.58 | lng | I'm Gentoo user |
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| 03:42.54 | ChristCB | Hello moof2? |
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| 04:10.57 | ImaLamer | so i looked at my bash histories and i def tried to bork the install, we'll see :) |
| 04:11.16 | KsM | Is there a way I can install debian on another partition from within another linux distro |
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| 04:11.45 | KsM | e.g. similar to how you can install gentoo via chroot |
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| 04:12.51 | ImaLamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 04:13.31 | ImaLamer | KsM: ^ for you |
| 04:13.41 | KsM | hm |
| 04:13.55 | KsM | will that work for installing amd64 from a 32bit linux install though |
| 04:14.07 | KsM | because debootstrap doesn't install the kernel afaik |
| 04:14.46 | ImaLamer | says you should |
| 04:15.11 | KsM | and, I don't think 64bit binaries/environment would work from a 32bit kernel |
| 04:15.34 | themill | KsM: you can tell debootstrap to also install the kernel and bootloader |
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| 04:15.53 | KsM | themill: how? |
| 04:17.02 | KsM | that guide has you do it after chrooting |
| 04:17.15 | themill | as described quite clearly in the man page... Alternatively, you can enter the chroot after it is created and install them manually. In either case, you probably want to install and reboot into an 64-bit kernel prior to starting |
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| 04:18.07 | ImaLamer | KsM: says to choose the arch when installing the kernel, reboot and run tasksel to finish your install |
| 04:18.08 | KsM | well I read multiple times before saying that debootstrap can't |
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| 04:18.28 | KsM | in fact |
| 04:18.28 | KsM | http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
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| 04:21.12 | ImaLamer | all you need |
| 04:21.42 | ImaLamer | cross compile before reboot even |
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| 04:22.44 | otend | err... my laptop feels like it might set my house on fire. I don't think the fans are going. What can I do? |
| 04:23.24 | ImaLamer | open it |
| 04:23.39 | ImaLamer | check fan status in debian |
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| 04:24.05 | rue_more | what is smbmount called now? |
| 04:24.07 | otend | how would I do that? |
| 04:24.11 | turtlethumper | you should look for a guide on configuring your laptop, perhaps there are some special things needed for it |
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| 04:25.51 | rue_more | how do I command line mount a samba share now? |
| 04:26.10 | ImaLamer | rue_more: do you have 'smbfs' installed |
| 04:26.37 | rue_more | However the following packages replace it: |
| 04:26.37 | rue_more | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.37 | rue_more | E: Package 'smbfs' has no installation candidate |
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| 04:27.43 | ImaLamer | rue_more: cifs-utils then |
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| 04:29.33 | rue_more | ok, back to question 1 |
| 04:29.43 | rue_more | how do I mount a samba share? |
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| 04:31.20 | ImaLamer | rue_more: which way? |
| 04:31.38 | rue_more | how about a way that works |
| 04:31.44 | rue_more | zippo:/home/dan# mount -t cifs -o guest //192.168.8.246/Downloads /mnt |
| 04:31.45 | rue_more | mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
| 04:31.45 | rue_more | mount error(19): No such device |
| 04:32.17 | rue_more | I'm paying for my custom kernel now aren't I? :) |
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| 04:32.31 | ImaLamer | looks like it :( |
| 04:32.50 | rue_more | there is no cifs in my kernel |
| 04:32.53 | rue_more | ntfs? |
| 04:33.06 | ImaLamer | is that your target? |
| 04:33.27 | rue_more | haha I found it, its not selected |
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| 04:40.34 | joako | When I run visudo in debian it uses nano. How can I make visudo launch vi? |
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| 04:41.22 | ImaLamer | can i background a job, disown it and have another login pick it up? |
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| 04:42.26 | ImaLamer | joako: sudo update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 04:52.36 | zorrot | using windowmaker live, which is wheezy -- vlc (and all other media players) play audio, but show no video. |
| 04:52.39 | zorrot | ls |
| 04:53.32 | zorrot | vlc says something about "Can't locate X11/Protocol.pm" in a bunch of perl-related paths. |
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| 04:54.37 | zorrot | excuse me -- plot thickens -- video just worked. |
| 04:54.42 | themill | joako: use update-alternatives to select vi (or vim) as your editor |
| 04:55.04 | litejeti | how do i copy/save a magnet link from a console browser like w3m or lynx? that way i can pass it to rtorrent or transmission |
| 04:55.05 | themill | yeah.. what ImaLamer said. |
| 04:55.44 | joako | ImaLamer, themill Thanks I was able to select mcedit with update-alternatives. |
| 04:55.56 | ImaLamer | i go for joe |
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| 05:08.09 | peaceblaster | Is there an obscure flavor of Debian out there that runs Gnome and has more out-of-the-box support for Intel networking chipsets that is NOT Ubuntu? |
| 05:08.36 | turtlethumper | Are you against ubuntu based distros? |
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| 05:09.27 | peaceblaster | I can't say I'm a huge fan |
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| 05:12.10 | turtlethumper | well I'd recommend linux mint |
| 05:12.28 | turtlethumper | your looking for a distro running Gnome 3? |
| 05:12.44 | peaceblaster | Yeah, I am |
| 05:13.03 | peaceblaster | Mint was my first *nix OS, but I hated cinnamon =/ |
| 05:14.01 | turtlethumper | have you looked at the standard debian install which includes non-free firmware? |
| 05:14.10 | turtlethumper | the standard debian desktop has Gnome 3 |
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| 05:15.34 | peaceblaster | I thought it did too, but for some reason all the installers I've downloaded are KDE =/ I mean changing it out isn't too big of a deal but the lack of networking support kinda is |
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| 05:16.49 | turtlethumper | so the debian install which includes restricted firmware, didn't have the firmware you needed? |
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| 05:18.38 | peaceblaster | not as far as I could tell... here's the machine I'm attempting to use: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152349 |
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| 05:20.19 | turtlethumper | I guess debian only has the netinstall including non-free firmware: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 05:20.30 | turtlethumper | (see section at bottom in yellow box) |
| 05:21.20 | peaceblaster | ok, thank you |
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| 05:21.51 | turtlethumper | I guess at the very worst, you could put the firmware package you need on a usb drive, and install it with dpkg |
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| 05:23.46 | peaceblaster | guess that could work |
| 05:24.02 | peaceblaster | though are you sure gnome 3 is the default de? |
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| 05:25.02 | turtlethumper | I'm pretty sure it is, I recently did a install which included the standard desktop from the netinstall |
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| 05:25.34 | turtlethumper | it only offered one option, and when it rebooted, it was gnome 3 |
| 05:25.36 | peaceblaster | ok, well, I'll give that a go |
| 05:26.07 | Chetic | is it possible to force NTP to accept unreasonable values from a reference clock? |
| 05:26.40 | Sevet | Chetic: automatically or as a once off? |
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| 05:27.34 | Chetic | Sevet: I mean all the time. not sure what you mean |
| 05:28.05 | Sevet | you could try manually running 'ntpdate' to get it in line with the reference clock, but they shouldn't be unreasonable times after that |
| 05:28.15 | Sevet | guess it depends what you mean by unreasonable |
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| 05:28.20 | moof2 | peaceblaster, do you have the machine in front of you? |
| 05:28.48 | Chetic | Sevet: I mean prepostrously random :p |
| 05:29.03 | moof2 | Chetic, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 05:29.17 | Sevet | if it normally returns those, i wouldn't use that server then |
| 05:29.27 | Chetic | it's for testing an embedded system |
| 05:29.34 | Chetic | that gets it's time from an external gps |
| 05:29.50 | Chetic | time control is useful during testing |
| 05:29.58 | moof2 | does the gps publish the time using ntp? |
| 05:30.25 | Chetic | ntp polls gpsd as a reference clock |
| 05:30.41 | moof2 | oh, ok |
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| 05:31.56 | moof2 | I would also suggest other than the randomness, to get a list of the times that would trigger cron jobs |
| 05:32.27 | romel | hello guys. I am trying to build binary package with debuild but the 'make test' stage fails so the whole process of building fails too. is there any way to tell debuild to not perform 'make test'? |
| 05:33.01 | moof2 | I would guess that the make test is in the packaging |
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| 05:33.30 | moof2 | it's not something either contained in debuild or controlled by it |
| 05:33.56 | moof2 | you can verify this by checking debian/rules |
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| 05:34.33 | kj4 | exit |
| 05:35.26 | romel | moof2: thanks |
| 05:36.05 | romel | i'll read maintainer's guid more thoroughly |
| 05:36.08 | romel | *guide |
| 05:36.41 | moof2 | that will give you general information on building packages and authoring packagings |
| 05:36.48 | moof2 | what package? |
| 05:37.43 | moof2 | and in that general info will also be statements of debian policy (which is supposed to follow current/common practice) |
| 05:37.59 | moof2 | what you actually want to do is check debian/rules |
| 05:38.14 | themill | dpkg: tell romel about nocheck |
| 05:38.44 | moof2 | yeah tell me about that too |
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| 05:39.56 | themill | romel: note that failing tests normally means a failed build so suppressing them isn't a great plan. nocheck is there to save build time for tests that take ages to run, not to avoid failing tests |
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| 05:41.02 | moof2 | themill, are all packages that run tests supposed to listen to nocheck? |
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| 05:44.52 | themill | what dpkg said |
| 05:46.41 | baudtack | hrm... i'm running sid and my headphone audio no longer works. it's not muted and the headphones work fine. The speakers also work fine |
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| 05:47.48 | moof2 | ! factinfo nocheck |
| 05:47.49 | dpkg | nocheck -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Mon Oct 25 22:51:26 2010 (960 days); last modified at Mon Oct 25 22:55:05 2010 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 43 times, last by moof2, 8m 41s ago. |
| 05:49.13 | themill | moof2: yes? |
| 05:49.38 | moof2 | question still stands |
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| 05:50.56 | themill | the answer hasn't changed either... |
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| 07:11.30 | sssilver | Hey guys... I have an ATI card and I'm trying to set up dual monitor, but looks like ATI's native way of doing this isn't too good. How can I revert to using xrandr? |
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| 07:12.54 | sssilver | this is quite confusing because it's like each monitor has a separate context or something |
| 07:13.14 | sssilver | when I run xrandr on the left monitor, it displays only the left monitor, and same on the right monitor |
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| 07:30.20 | somiaj | sssilver: what does xrandr -q give you? both the radeon and fglrx drivers support xrandr (not positive on fglrx but I belive so) |
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| 07:30.46 | sssilver | somiaj: that's the funny part... if I run xrandr -q on the left desktop, I get only the left desktop |
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| 07:31.03 | sssilver | I have no idea how/why it works that way |
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| 07:32.39 | sssilver | somiaj: look at this http://bpaste.net/show/3vXJ3t8hiTt27PkKhjo4/ |
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| 07:35.01 | well_laid_lawn | sssilver: how are you shifting/opening the terminal between screens ? |
| 07:35.12 | peaceblaster | is there an equivalent of systemd for Debian? I'm migrating from Fedora |
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| 07:35.57 | sssilver | well_laid_lawn: the mouse cursor travels between them, the windows themselves don't |
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| 07:36.31 | sssilver | even technically, it's quite difficult for me to understand how qrandr gives different outputs when run from different screens |
| 07:36.36 | sssilver | *xrandr |
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| 07:37.37 | well_laid_lawn | what's the de/wm you use? |
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| 07:39.15 | somiaj | sssilver: do you have xinmera configured or running them as seperate xsessions |
| 07:39.28 | themill | peaceblaster: there is an (oldish) version of systemd in debian which works, but the supported init system for the time being is sysvinit. |
| 07:39.32 | sssilver | I haven't done anything like that specifically, somiaj |
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| 07:39.46 | sssilver | I'm currently trying to install the proprietary catalyst drivers from ATI website |
| 07:39.48 | sssilver | perhaps that'll help me |
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| 07:40.07 | somiaj | sssilver: I would not do that |
| 07:40.18 | sssilver | somiaj: ow |
| 07:40.21 | somiaj | sssilver: what video card do you have, how did you install the fglrx drivers? What version of debian |
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| 07:40.56 | sssilver | somiaj: I have Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 + 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Turks [Radeon HD 6670] |
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| 07:41.05 | sssilver | it's quite recent |
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| 07:50.30 | somiaj | did you install the fglrx drivers from the debian dkms package? |
| 07:50.37 | sssilver | yes sir |
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| 07:53.57 | somiaj | what is your xorg.conf file then? |
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| 07:54.24 | somiaj | or I guess I could stop guessing and just ask you to post /var/log/Xorg.0.log and if /var/log/Xorg.1.log exists, that too |
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| 07:54.28 | petan | hi |
| 07:54.35 | petan | can someone help me creating a service script? |
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| 07:55.27 | petan | I have a daemon that is running using a wrapper script, which is being started by script in init.d but problem is that this wrapper script is launching some other processes |
| 07:55.30 | d_arcy | hi |
| 07:55.34 | joltcan | petan: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to something and modify that |
| 07:55.38 | d_arcy | how can I solve "Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg:i386 for perl-base:i386, probably a dependency cycle." ? |
| 07:55.47 | d_arcy | apt-get install -f does nothing |
| 07:55.50 | petan | when I do service xx stop I need it to kill all processes that were started by it, not just the master process |
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| 07:56.03 | sssilver | does Debian have an alternative/equivalent of wgetpaste? |
| 07:56.17 | petan | joltcan I know I have that, but it's not able to stop service properly :/ |
| 07:56.40 | petan | I am wondering if there is a way for start-stop-daemon to recursively kill all child processes |
| 07:56.43 | joltcan | petan: if it writes a pid-file, do kill $(cat /foo.pid), if it doesn't try "killall processname"? |
| 07:56.50 | peaceblaster | anyone know some general-purpose open source webcam drivers for a laptop? |
| 07:56.56 | joltcan | petan: that I don't know, sorry |
| 07:57.14 | petan | for example apache server is running multiple processes as well |
| 07:57.28 | joltcan | peaceblaster: v4l does support a bunch of cams |
| 07:57.39 | peaceblaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.41 | joltcan | petan: then look at how that script is handling it? |
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| 07:57.54 | peaceblaster | this is by far the most helpful linux-relate irc channel I have seen |
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| 07:58.24 | themill | peaceblaster: you presumably want the ones that match your actual webcam not just other random drivers :) uvcvideo is one of the commonly used ones but this should all be automatically detected by kernel+udev |
| 07:58.32 | joltcan | peaceblaster: aptitude install cheese and see if it can open it |
| 07:58.49 | themill | d_arcy: can you pastebin the entire output for me? |
| 07:58.59 | sssilver | somiaj: http://bpaste.net/show/YGKhK6feRL52IcmoWHzC/ for the log, http://bpaste.net/show/VAuZyUmncIVOkUJyN4Ey/ for the config |
| 07:59.12 | petan | joltcan: is there a way to start a process using init script so that the process start with predefined working directory? |
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| 08:00.06 | joltcan | petan: you really should look at the documentation for start-stop-daemon, that most people use in their init scripts |
| 08:00.14 | joltcan | petan: it can do stuff like that, (option -d in this case) |
| 08:00.28 | petan | yes I am trying to use that |
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| 08:01.17 | joltcan | petan: in the end of the manfile there are some examples, try to run them on their own and see if it works, then add them to a script to see if that works as well before you start with the init file |
| 08:01.29 | petan | ok |
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| 08:01.50 | sssilver | somiaj: why is the ATI website proprietary driver a bad idea? |
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| 08:02.20 | petn-randall | Is anyone aware of a program to search the unicode map? E.g. I search for "*arrow*", and it gives me back a list of all arrows in the unicode plain. |
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| 08:03.45 | petn-randall | sssilver: Because upon installation, it overwrites some libraries, and causes a heck of a pain when something breaks, or you want to upgrade your system. |
| 08:03.58 | themill | petn-randall: kcharselect |
| 08:03.58 | petn-randall | sssilver: amongst other things. |
| 08:04.29 | sssilver | petn-randall: I see |
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| 08:04.58 | petn-randall | themill: Ah nice, thanks. |
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| 08:06.45 | tuxcraft1r | http://paste.debian.net/9849/ < i keep getting unclean lvremoves for snapshots, the lvm guys cant help anymore because the debian lvm maintainer doesnt use a lvm version that passes the lvm test suits, the lvm maintainter changes stuff and its broken |
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| 08:09.04 | petn-randall | tuxcraft1r: LVM doesn't pass the test suits? |
| 08:09.23 | tuxcraft1r | petn-randall: not the one in debian |
| 08:09.35 | tuxcraft1r | thats what the lvm devs says |
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| 08:10.09 | jelly-home | tuxcraft1r: report a bug to debian and quote upstream in full |
| 08:10.27 | jelly-home | best to have them talking to sort it out |
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| 08:10.51 | tuxcraft1r | they gave up on the current maintainer in debian |
| 08:11.12 | tuxcraft1r | but i will see if i can find a few hours of free time in a few weeks to write a bug report |
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| 08:11.23 | jelly-home | tuxcraft1r: was the conversation with upstream a public one? |
| 08:11.36 | tuxcraft1r | jelly-home: in #lvm |
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| 08:16.34 | ChrisH | tuxcraft1r: I have them, too. But no negative side effects. I do backup several systems every day using snapshots and from now-and-then the lvremove fails |
| 08:16.59 | tuxcraft1r | ChrisH: i have to use dmsetup to remove the leftovers |
| 08:17.05 | tuxcraft1r | i backup over iscsi |
| 08:17.24 | tuxcraft1r | ChrisH: the second time i run the commands it all goes haywire if i dont clean them up |
| 08:17.37 | tuxcraft1r | i get backups froom the cow volumes and such |
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| 08:18.20 | ChrisH | ugly. as said I see these lvremove/umount issue also. but no sideeffects visible so far. |
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| 08:19.30 | frostschutz | hm, I had an issue recently where I needed to dmsetup remove, but I don't remember if it was snapshot related... *scratches head* sucks if you can't remember whatever issues you had 2 weeks ago |
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| 08:21.34 | Iridos | frostschutz, rumor has it, that writing the stuff down helps |
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| 08:22.01 | Iridos | although nobody actually does it |
| 08:22.07 | Iridos | 'tis why it's only a rumor |
| 08:22.24 | ChrisH | uses a local wiki for important stuff... sometimes |
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| 09:01.59 | zrin | how can i link a binary so that the loader looks for shared library in a sub-directory of a standard library path, like in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/<subdir>/ ? |
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| 09:02.45 | ezra-s | zrin, you can add the new path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH I believe |
| 09:02.56 | Wizard | nods. |
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| 09:03.18 | Wizard | Besides, most libs use pkg-config or some kind of script providing proper compiler/linker options. |
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| 09:03.40 | zrin | yes, but there are binries that work without adding all the paths to /etc/ld... nor LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:03.48 | jelly | zrin: you want the path hardcoded in the binary? |
| 09:04.10 | ezra-s | that subdir could also be a symbolik link to the previous directory in the tree |
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| 09:04.46 | jelly | zrin: packages with loadable lib in custom paths usually dlopen() them at runtime |
| 09:05.06 | zrin | there is /usr/bin/pactl (from pulseaudio) that uses /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/...so, but when i compile it, the loader can't find that .so |
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| 09:05.50 | jelly | zrin: why are you compiling pulseaudio? |
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| 09:06.16 | zrin | I've got the source with apt-get source and I'm trying to compile parts ... to start writing a new utility |
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| 09:07.17 | jelly | zrin: did you apply debian patches to the source and ./configure it the same way debian does (if it uses autotools)? It's quite possible that path is debian specific |
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| 09:07.38 | ezra-s | zrin, you didn't have what you needed with libpulse-dev? |
| 09:07.47 | zrin | ... so the source code is (should be?) the same, the options are for sure different ... and somehow debian's /usr/bin/pactl finds the .../pulseaudio/that.so |
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| 09:09.50 | zrin | ezra-s: libpulse-dev does not have all needed includes |
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| 09:10.23 | zrin | includes for the most part of libpulsecore are not included |
| 09:10.56 | zrin | jelly: I did not apply debian patches ... I'll look into that now - thank you |
| 09:11.34 | ezra-s | zrin, I see, good luck getting what you need, try the path I tell you earlier see if that works for you |
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| 09:15.24 | zrin | doesn't apt-get source automatically apply the patches? |
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| 09:16.04 | somiaj | zrin: no, it only downloads them. I belive they are applied during the build process |
| 09:16.15 | somiaj | (at least that is what I recall going on) |
| 09:17.25 | zrin | it did extract the source though ... how to check if it did apply the patches? |
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| 09:18.18 | jem^ | Running a Wheezy system with several desktop environments installed (GNOME3, KDE, Xfce). When I run xterm in Xfce, it uses an anti-aliased monospace font instead of the 'fixed' font as it does in the other desktops. Can anyone tell me where this default is being overridden in Xfce? |
| 09:18.51 | Wizard | It might be. |
| 09:19.15 | Wizard | This can be altered via settings env variables. |
| 09:19.33 | Wizard | Check if something like XFT_blabla is set. |
| 09:19.58 | jelly | zrin: the current preferred packaging format does not, I think |
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| 09:20.45 | zrin | jelly: I'll try wajig now and compare |
| 09:20.49 | jelly | zrin: see if you have stuff in debian/patches/ instead |
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| 09:21.55 | jelly | I don't know how to apply them, there's probably a debian/rules (makefile) target |
| 09:21.59 | jem^ | Wizard: ta, I'll check that out |
| 09:22.03 | zrin | jelly: yes, there are 4 patches in debian/patches/ |
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| 09:22.47 | Iridos | zrin, the section for the "source" option to apt-get in "man apt-get" would be a good start... |
| 09:22.54 | somiaj | then those patches are applied at build time. If you bypass the debian/rules building you need to aplly them yourself. |
| 09:23.07 | zrin | thank you |
| 09:23.57 | Iridos | actually I don't think that's possible... they have to be applied when downloading |
| 09:24.13 | Iridos | because the directory debian/rules as such is added through a patch |
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| 09:24.35 | Iridos | I do apt-get -b source mostly anyway and then modify |
| 09:25.13 | Iridos | err... why do you even ask, it tells you...e.g. for inkscape |
| 09:25.16 | Iridos | dpkg-source: info: unpacking inkscape_0.48.3.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 09:25.17 | Iridos | dpkg-source: info: applying inkscape_0.48.3.1-1.3.diff.gz |
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| 09:25.29 | somiaj | Iridos: there are two types of patches though |
| 09:26.17 | zrin | actually that are just 3 simple patches, nothing seems to influence loader / paths ... bbl, thank you so far! |
| 09:27.43 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#patches |
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| 09:28.44 | somiaj | I think the patch that is applied at the begining mainly adds the debian/ dir and the patches to the actual source are split up in debian/patches and applied at build |
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| 09:54.07 | DarsVaeda | what is the difference between the gnome and standard live iso? |
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| 09:54.25 | Wizard | Standard has no gui at all, afaik. |
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| 09:56.09 | DarsVaeda | okay thanks |
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| 09:58.44 | Wizard | DarsVaeda: Be aware that it also lacks wpa_supplicant, iirc ;P |
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| 09:59.04 | DarsVaeda | I just downloaded the gnome iso instead :) |
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| 09:59.24 | Wizard | Be aware wheezy has gnome 3.2 or 3.4 ;P |
| 09:59.39 | Wizard | I don't remember which one exactly. |
| 09:59.41 | Zitter | lool |
| 10:00.03 | Wizard | OK, OK, I didn't say that. |
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| 10:00.14 | DarsVaeda | yes I know, at least not as bad as unity |
| 10:00.30 | Zitter | Gnome 3 is really cool. And I am a big fan of G2+Compiz |
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| 10:09.22 | WormFood | what email client in debian, supports imap, other than Evolution? |
| 10:10.12 | ksk | WormFood: like any? |
| 10:10.26 | ksk | claws-mail, thunderbird/icedove, ... |
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| 10:11.05 | WormFood | icedove...that was the name I was looking for....because I didn't find it under "thunderbird" |
| 10:11.07 | WormFood | thanks ksk |
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| 10:12.17 | wolfje | Hoi |
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| 10:13.26 | ThothCastel | for ldap configuratin, if my hostname is server.procopio.local then my settings will be dc=server,dc=procopio,dc=local or dc=procopio,dc=local |
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| 10:27.31 | Bauer1 | guys, anyone knows how to Hot Add memory on Debian server in VMware? http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1012764 |
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| 10:28.26 | ksk | !tell Bauer1 about vmware |
| 10:29.17 | ChrisH | Bauer1: I did add extra Disks to a Debian VM and with rescan Debian saw them. |
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| 10:29.53 | Bauer1 | ksk: my problem is NOT vmware - but rather to make Debian detect the newly added RAM. |
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| 10:30.02 | ksk | does not matter :P |
| 10:30.13 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: how did you do that? is the rescan command the same for memory? or Disk specific? |
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| 10:31.06 | zrin | Bauer1: google linux hot add memory |
| 10:31.08 | Bauer1 | ksk, why not? I sense you have certain dislike to vmware+debian combo - at least those who wrote the sentence in dpkg bot |
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| 10:31.28 | Bauer1 | zrin: I have, and still cant find specific info about Debian |
| 10:31.33 | ksk | yes sure, Bauer1, because of the reasons the bot told you |
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| 10:32.13 | ChrisH | Bauer1: rescan is disk specific. google for debian rescan disk.... btw simply test the procedure shown on your link. I do not see much difference between the OS mentioned. |
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| 10:32.47 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: the process for SLES? |
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| 10:33.48 | ChrisH | Bauer1: Both are nearly the same... Give me a few minutes I will test it |
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| 10:34.10 | unr3al011 | hi my app(javA) uses redis and mysql (percona) as databases. after running for 12 hours or more it begins of loosing 99% of its performance. i wonder what could be the reason? my app runs on another pc than my database server. if i restart my database server,e verything is fast again. my DB server is powered by SSD & 32gb ram & i3. any ideas? |
| 10:34.27 | ChrisH | Bauer1: I cannot test it... my vmware server does not allow changing Memeory size. |
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| 10:34.32 | Bauer1 | ChrisH thanks, I just tested grep line /sys/devices/system/memory/*/state - Debian shows all 16 memory slots as "online" :/ so not sure what to do next... I am AFK for like 25 mins, will be back |
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| 10:37.52 | Wizard | Uh, seems nobody banned me for this good, old flamewar ;P |
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| 10:42.50 | sameerynho | hi guys, I'm using sid, and without any clue my debian box freeze during my work, is there any way to keep the last log after rebooting ? |
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| 10:45.11 | AciD` | hey, do you know any apps that could crunch a maildir folder, and output various statistics about a mailing list usage ? |
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| 10:51.14 | hays | this nginx vulnerability was announced; where can I see if the debian security team is working on it? |
| 10:51.15 | hays | https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-2070 |
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| 10:52.13 | jelly | Bauer1: it's very simple here, our old vSphere 4.0 doesn't even enable changing the memory size setting online so there's no problem ;-) |
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| 10:52.42 | hays | or figure out if they have already patched? |
| 10:52.52 | jelly | hays: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2013-2070 |
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| 10:53.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell hays -about tracker of doom |
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| 10:54.55 | hays | uhh security-tracker.debian.org seems to have an invalid ssl cert? |
| 10:55.28 | ChrisH | jelly: I was able to enable the memory hotadd for this VM but when using it.... This feature is not licensed :( |
| 10:55.52 | ChrisH | jelly: Its an ESXi 4.1.0 |
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| 10:58.00 | jelly | !pal ChrisH |
| 10:58.01 | dpkg | points at ChrisH and laughs hysterically |
| 10:58.32 | jelly | hays: it's signed by debian's own CA |
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| 10:59.22 | jelly | hays: browsers from debian itself do nt have a problem with it; if your browser is running on some other os, consider adding that CA to the trusted list |
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| 11:00.01 | spm_Draget | /etc/apache/envvars has environment-varibles that can be used in the apache config like ${LOG_DIR} etc. Is this a debian-specific feature or a general apache feature? |
| 11:01.28 | hays | jelly: hmm ok so I guess now I just need to know that someone isn't forging |
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| 11:08.46 | zrin | I've found out why debian PA executables can find shared libraries that are not in standard directoris: they have an explicit additional library search path, there is linker option -rpath for that |
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| 11:12.10 | Danielamallocci | ciao |
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| 11:12.23 | Wizard | Danielamallocci: :* |
| 11:12.30 | z127_ | hi, there is no squeeze-backports on ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ . where has it moved? |
| 11:12.51 | Danielamallocci | ciao a tutti |
| 11:12.53 | Wizard | Maybe they were closed? |
| 11:13.02 | Danielamallocci | !list |
| 11:13.03 | dpkg | danielamallocci: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:13.06 | vlt | Ciao Danielamallocci |
| 11:13.42 | Wizard | "Vedi"? Not "Vide"? |
| 11:13.46 | vlt | Prova #debian-it. Ma non per il file sharing. |
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| 11:14.58 | babilen | dpkg: No illegal warez here in this channel (or network) |
| 11:14.59 | dpkg | i don't know, babilen |
| 11:15.02 | babilen | argh |
| 11:15.10 | Wizard | Then why the hell you say "free software" on your website?! |
| 11:15.21 | babilen | Wizard: What? |
| 11:15.24 | Wizard | :P |
| 11:15.31 | vlt | Wizard: LOL |
| 11:16.27 | vlt | Wizard: “vedi” is the imperative form of “vedere”. |
| 11:16.37 | Danielamallocci | yes |
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| 11:17.03 | Wizard | Ah, italian != latin. |
| 11:17.10 | babilen | Wizard: I really can't help you if you are unaware of the differences between free (speech and beer) and pirated software. That being said: This discussion is also no really on-topic in this channel and i would kindly ask you (and vlt) to focus on support in here. |
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| 11:18.01 | Wizard | babilen: Ease your pants, man, it was a joke :) |
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| 11:19.31 | babilen | Wizard: Please, focus on support in here. There are myriads of channels appropriate for joking, socialising and discussing the differences between Latin and Italian. This is not it. |
| 11:19.58 | Wizard | Sure thing, captain. |
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| 11:20.14 | z127_ | x127_: seems like it is in /debian-backports/dists, which is mirrored by some servers. no idea why the wheeze backports are in /debian/dists, though. |
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| 11:20.30 | Wizard | vlt: /j #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:21.12 | Wizard | apt: Give babilen to cheer him up. |
| 11:21.12 | apt | ACTION gives to cheer him up. to babilen |
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| 11:33.45 | unr3al011 | which information is important to detect performance bottleneckts? like vmstat 1 an so on? |
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| 11:35.59 | Rix | is it better to use two swap partitions when you have two hard drives instead of one swap (yes i need swap space) |
| 11:36.40 | mumpitzel | Rix: what is on the 2nd hdd? I would probably only use the less used one, e.g. when you have bulk data like movies or such on it |
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| 11:37.01 | cryll | :0 |
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| 11:37.25 | mumpitzel | the hdd with / and your home directories I wouldn't use for swap. on the 2nd disk put the swap partition right at the start of the disk |
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| 11:38.04 | cryll | Does anyone know if the 'postrotate' section of a logrotate rule set will execute if the rest of the rules in there force a non-rotation? So in my casae I have 'notifempty', but I'm wondering if the postrotate section is still executed? |
| 11:38.08 | Rix | one is / the other is /data :) for like movies and stuff like you said but may be used for io operations too |
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| 11:39.05 | mumpitzel | Rix: unless that is a lot slower disk (e.g 5400rpm), I'd use it for swap |
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| 11:39.51 | Rix | so you recommend use only the second drive (it is 7200) for swap, instead of 2 swaps with total size of one bigger |
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| 11:40.43 | Danielamallocci | ciao a tutti |
| 11:40.58 | Danielamallocci | !list |
| 11:40.58 | dpkg | danielamallocci: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:42.12 | mumpitzel | !it |
| 11:42.13 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:44.53 | tgs3 | my ~/.bashrc is not executed after login to virtual terminal, have to manually do . ~/.bashrc . What could be the reason - which file is resposnbile for loading ~/.bashrc ? |
| 11:44.54 | Rix | if this second drive has the swap and it break, will it crash the system, or just the apps that used the swap.. i mean does kernel and system important stuff swap? so if swap break will my system crash? |
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| 11:46.42 | babilen | tgs3: Do you load it it in your ~/.bash_profile ? Note that the default .bash_profile looks like http://paste.debian.net/9890/ |
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| 11:46.48 | ksk | tgs3: .profile loads bashrc |
| 11:47.29 | mumpitzel | Rix: I'm not fully sure but I think not. However: if your word processor crashes and takes your data with it, who cares about the OS? |
| 11:47.33 | babilen | Yeah, also check the comments in ~/.profile (if you don't have a ~/.bash_profile ) |
| 11:47.51 | Rix | if the debian is on server i care :D, thanks |
| 11:48.29 | mumpitzel | Rix: your server daemons will crash too perhaps |
| 11:48.31 | jillsmitt | How to complete this?: Task 2: Make the boot loader changes to ensure that the Xen Hypervisor is the default. |
| 11:48.41 | jillsmitt | in debian 7 |
| 11:48.42 | Rix | that's fine if the system itself is ok |
| 11:49.00 | Rix | daemons can be always restarted (and checked using cron jobs) |
| 11:49.10 | Rix | but system may not be automatically restarted |
| 11:49.17 | tgs3 | babilen: ok and what about ~/.profile? how it related to bash_profile? I want for all users to auto load some settings... so in /etc/skel I should edit bashrc, and then profile? because there is no bash?_profile in skel |
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| 12:03.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning |
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| 12:10.05 | lxsameer | hi, does any one has any problem with X in sid ? mine keep hanging |
| 12:10.58 | histo | tgs3: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
| 12:11.12 | histo | lxsameer: sid is unstable |
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| 12:11.23 | mumpitzel | lxsameer: and which videodriver do you use? |
| 12:11.28 | lxsameer | histo: i see |
| 12:11.47 | lxsameer | mumpitzel: in laptop intel 915i, in pc nouveau |
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| 12:18.03 | tgs3 | what is the best command to copy files from /home/a ---> to /home/b , with re-checking consistency of files in b, assuming we are only adding new files and never overwritting. |
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| 12:19.54 | ChrisH | tgs3: man rsync (-a -n -v options might be of interest) |
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| 12:21.04 | histo | tgs3: rsync -av /home/a /home/b |
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| 12:23.03 | bjoernb_ | hello |
| 12:23.54 | bjoernb_ | i have s system that boots but mounts / read-only. i do not know how to mount it rw, since / is in a lvm-group. |
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| 12:24.37 | tgs3 | histo: I want it to ONLY create new files in ~/b/. if file in ~/a/ *Changed* then it's error, I want it reported instead of copies |
| 12:24.59 | tgs3 | histo: it must not override ~/b/x if ~/a/x changed (it should not changed ever) |
| 12:25.36 | bjoernb_ | mount gives: /dev/mapper/root on / type btrfs (ro, ...) umount / does echo nothing. mount -o remount,rw / gives: / not mounted or bad option and mount -o rw / gives /dev/mapper/root already mounted or / busy |
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| 12:26.06 | ezra-s | bjoernb_, have you tried "mount -o remount,rw /" ? |
| 12:26.16 | rozie | bjoernb_: probably some errors on the fs. try fscking it. make sure you have backup first or do it now |
| 12:26.46 | ezra-s | bjoernb, agreed with rozie make sure you are not having serious issues first |
| 12:26.55 | ezra-s | check dmesg |
| 12:27.00 | ChrisH | rozie: type btrfs <-- this shopuld not have any fsck (Assuming btrfs beeing similar to ZFS) |
| 12:27.52 | histo | tgs3: what? |
| 12:27.57 | bjoernb | it is a brand new installation on a brand new ssd |
| 12:28.14 | histo | tgs3: then use the -n switch |
| 12:28.32 | histo | tgs3: it will show you a dry run... or you can use something like rdiff-bakcup |
| 12:28.38 | histo | s/bakcup/backup/ |
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| 12:29.34 | histo | bjoernb: mount -o remount,rw /some/mount/point |
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| 12:30.11 | histo | bjoernb: is there filesystem errors that it's mounting as ro? |
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| 12:31.14 | bjoernb | how do i see if there are fs errors? |
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| 12:32.40 | bjoernb | i think the mistake might be that btrfs has no commit=600 as option to mount and i have it in /etc/fstab. problem is, that this is ro and i cannot modify it. |
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| 12:33.01 | histo | bjoernb: boot to a live distro |
| 12:33.10 | ChrisH | bjoernb: mount -o remount,rw,commit=600 / |
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| 12:33.54 | bjoernb | ChrisH: mount: / not mounted or bad option |
| 12:34.34 | ChrisH | bjoernb: you did an umount / before? boot into single usermode and retry that command. |
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| 12:34.57 | ChrisH | I am not sure if dmesg will show usefull information if / and/or /var is mounted ro |
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| 12:35.27 | bjoernb | ChrisH: how do i boot to single user mode? |
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| 12:36.01 | histo | bjoernb: from the grub menu |
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| 12:36.42 | bjoernb | yes but what do i have to edit then? |
| 12:36.57 | ChrisH | the kernel line ...append single |
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| 12:37.37 | petan | start-stop-daemon -d $FOLDER -u pidgeonsv -b --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_ARGS |
| 12:37.43 | petan | why this start a daemon as root? |
| 12:37.50 | petan | I am using -u <user> |
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| 12:37.59 | SunSoul | Hey all, I have debian wheezy installed, and it will not mount EXFAT formatted external drives. It gives an error that says no mount helper, and I installed EXFAT-Fuse, and now it says unable to mount read/write mode. Help? |
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| 12:39.39 | bjoernb | ChrisH: btrfs: unrecognized mount option 'commit=600' mount: / not mounted or bad option |
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| 12:40.11 | histo | SunSoul: what is the command you are trying to use to mount? |
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| 12:41.29 | ChrisH | bjoernb: are you in single user now? |
| 12:41.47 | bjoernb | ChrisH: yes |
| 12:42.10 | ChrisH | bjoernb: and a simple mount -o remount,rw / does not work? |
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| 12:42.20 | ThoMe | hey |
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| 12:42.23 | ThoMe | i create an archive with: tar --remove-files --absolute-names -jcf /tmp/backup/2013-06-12/configdb.tar.bz2 /tmp/configdb.sql |
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| 12:42.36 | ThoMe | but i would like the path "/tmp/" inside the archives. |
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| 12:42.45 | ThoMe | how i can put only the filename in my archive? |
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| 12:42.52 | ThoMe | without manuell "cd /tmp/" ? |
| 12:42.58 | ThoMe | with -C doesnt works. |
| 12:44.13 | SunSoul | histo, I used no command, I just wanted to see if it would auto mount. Desktop Environment is XFCE for Wheezy. |
| 12:44.22 | bjoernb | yes it does not work |
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| 12:44.56 | bjoernb | i get failed to create secure directory: read-only file system, when booting. then i have to give in root password for maintenance |
| 12:45.01 | SunSoul | histo, is there a way I can get it to auto mount without going through the terminal? |
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| 12:45.47 | jmmy | I want to set up a key on my keyboard to represent a middle mouse button click. Is it possible? |
| 12:46.20 | histo | SunSoul: how are you trying to "automount" it? |
| 12:46.36 | bjoernb | i am just downloading grml and putting it on a stick to write /etc/fstab new. perhaps that solves the issue |
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| 12:49.33 | SunSoul | histo, I just plug in the drive, and when I see it pop up on the XFCE desktop, I double click on the drive that is "mounted" but a dialog complains saying those errors I talked about. |
| 12:50.38 | SunSoul | If I plug in a USB flash drive that is FAT32, it will show on the desktop as the EXFAT drive I am tryingg to access, but instead of giving me an error, I double click on the flash drive, and it opens the file browser. Any ideas histo ? |
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| 12:51.07 | bjoernb | how do i mount the lvm group? |
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| 12:51.40 | histo | SunSoul: try mounting via command line mount -t exfat-fuse /dev/of/usb /mountpoint/whereever |
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| 12:52.42 | histo | SunSoul: did you install exfat-fuse ? |
| 12:53.10 | SunSoul | histo yes, I installed exfat-fuse. |
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| 12:53.43 | ChrisH | bjoernb: vgscan, vgimport, vgchange (short version) |
| 12:54.06 | SunSoul | However, after I installed exfat-fuse, a different error came up, saying unable to mount read/write mode when just plugging in the drive and the OS tries to auto mount the drive itself. |
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| 12:54.59 | danboid | The ftp sites hosting the Wheezy DVD images only seem to have the first 3 DVDs whilst the md5sum files say there are 10 DVDs for Wheezy. Where do I download DVDs 4-10 from? |
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| 12:55.57 | litb | hello all folk |
| 12:55.57 | histo | SunSoul: I don't know if the exfat-fuse is ro or not in debian |
| 12:56.02 | tralala | danboid, there's no point in downloading all the DVDs |
| 12:56.16 | litb | what is the difference between the packages "fuse" and "libfuse2" ? |
| 12:56.20 | danboid | but there are md5s so they must exist |
| 12:56.22 | litb | i don't quite get it |
| 12:56.33 | bjoernb | helped me: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874?page=0,2 |
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| 12:57.03 | themill | danboid: if you are one of the 4 people in the world who needs those dvds, you can make them and then those are the md5sums you will get. |
| 12:57.43 | SunSoul | histo I see. Yes, exfat-fuse is in the debian repository, I installed it last night |
| 12:58.05 | danboid | So how is it decided what packages go on the first 3 DVDs? Are stats from popularity contest used? |
| 12:58.09 | pepone | I creating a deb package for a custom tool, i want to host this package my self, is there a good guide that explain how to create the respository? expecialy where i publish the keys used to sign the packages? |
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| 12:58.41 | tralala | litb, did you check the packages' descriptions? How about the packages' contents? |
| 12:58.51 | bjoernb | did not help to change /etc/fstab |
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| 12:59.20 | danboid | ponyofdeath: I see ponies! |
| 12:59.20 | bjoernb | i think i will do just a new installation. |
| 12:59.24 | bjoernb | thanks for all your help |
| 12:59.32 | themill | danboid: there's essentially no use for anything beyond dvd1. Saving disk space and bandwidth for our mirror network is much more important than giving people something to fill their disks with. |
| 12:59.37 | jmmy | bjoernb, what happend? |
| 13:00.22 | danboid | themill: I'd be better having a local debian mirror I suppose |
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| 13:00.36 | bjoernb | root is mounted ro on a lvm btrfs system. |
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| 13:00.46 | bjoernb | i cannot mount it read write. |
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| 13:00.52 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 13:01.44 | themill | danboid: you'd be even better off with a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng |
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| 13:03.21 | danboid | themill: OK thanks - looking into it now |
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| 13:08.00 | canolucas | hi. i'm trying to rotate some custom logs using logrotate. for this, i created a new file in /etc/logrotate.d/. this directory is the only one included in /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 13:08.05 | canolucas | but i cant make it work |
| 13:08.30 | canolucas | if i do a crontab -l, nothing is shown, i have no cron jobs running, do i have to create the job manually? |
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| 13:11.12 | Sevet | canolucas: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate - daily by default, you'll need to customise it if you need it more often |
| 13:11.35 | Sevet | (eg move to cron.hourly or put into a crontab) |
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| 13:14.10 | Bauer1 | Is there any way to use Hot-Add feature on Debian guest OS, to detect additional Memory without rebooting the system? |
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| 13:17.48 | adam8157 | anyone hangs when shutting down? debian sid, systemd, lvm |
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| 13:19.27 | babilen | adam8157: Try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for testing/unstable support |
| 13:19.47 | adam8157 | babilen: thanks |
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| 13:21.16 | histo | adam8157: it's unstable |
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| 13:24.59 | jelly | Bauer1: have you confirmed it does not work? |
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| 13:26.48 | ChrisH | Bauer1: and can you hotadd memory from your VMWare Server? I was not able to do. |
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| 13:28.45 | Bauer1 | jelly: yes, by changing the server's memory to 4gb in vcenter (operation completed), but debian still shows 2gb using free -m (without rebooting the server) |
| 13:29.28 | thyphus | Bauer1: you have to reboot |
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| 13:30.44 | jelly | Bauer1: have you confirmed the procedure linked above does not work? |
| 13:30.55 | jelly | Bauer1: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:31.01 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: yes I can, but we use ESXi 5, not 4 |
| 13:31.48 | Bauer1 | jelly: what procedure do you refer? the one I linked to? it does not work (the one for SLES) because all 16 memory slots show "online" in Debian |
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| 13:32.29 | jelly | Bauer1: after doing modprobe acpi_memhotplug and resizing, do new slots not appear? |
| 13:33.16 | Bauer1 | jelly: I use Debian GNU/Linux 7.04.6.3-14 |
| 13:33.19 | Bauer1 | Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 |
| 13:33.47 | jelly | Bauer1: that "7.04.6.3-14" thing looks weird. What does "uname -a" say? |
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| 13:34.18 | canolucas | Sevet, so it should be rotating the custom log, but it doesnt :( my new file in /etc/logrotate.d/ has this content: http://pastebin.ca/2396730 |
| 13:34.22 | Bauer1 | jelly 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:34.27 | canolucas | maybe i'm doing anything wrong? |
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| 13:35.49 | jelly | Bauer1: ok. That is an outdated kernel, but it should have acpi_memhotplug. If it didn't work, then that's pretty much it. It's relatively new functionality, I guess it doesn't work flawlessly. |
| 13:36.01 | Bauer1 | jelly, I didnt follow the guide exactly, I first resized the machine's memory in vcenter, and only after it didnt detect it, start googling for solutions.. I dont think modprobe should come before resizing memory anyway :) |
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| 13:37.04 | ChrisH | Bauer1: did you load acpi_memhotplug before or after increasing memory? |
| 13:37.04 | Bauer1 | jelly: is there anything I can try? like, recompiling, or something? doesnt make sense, that a popular and good distro as Debian would not support acpi_memhotplug while the much older Centos and RHEL do |
| 13:37.04 | jelly | Bauer1: ... if the driver is not loaded, there's nothing to catch the ACPI event indicating a change in memory layout |
| 13:37.31 | jelly | Bauer1: RHEL works closely with VMware to provide support |
| 13:37.36 | Bauer1 | ahhhh, nope :( I thought it only autodetects newly added memory.. hmm |
| 13:37.55 | ChrisH | Bauer1: give it another try.... I am curiuos. |
| 13:37.57 | Bauer1 | 5 mins I will go now get someone to resize memory again, and we see if it catches |
| 13:38.20 | Bauer1 | jelly: how can I confirm the module is loaded? |
| 13:38.28 | ChrisH | Bauer1: the SLES procedure shows 1. modprobe 2. increase memory |
| 13:38.31 | jelly | Bauer1: lsmod would show it |
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| 13:38.52 | Bauer1 | acpi_memhotplug 12966 0 |
| 13:38.53 | thomaschaaf | Hello I am running debian wheezy and would like to use the ath9k_ap driver (the varation for access points) I read about it here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k now I tried to compile it myself. I am running the 3.2.0.4 kernel which comes with debian and don't know what version of compat-drivers I am supposed to install. I tried 3.7.9 https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/60cc5a07c36f6ac345b7 but that failed. The |
| 13:38.57 | thomaschaaf | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable/#compat-wireless_3.2_stable_releases |
| 13:38.58 | Bauer1 | meaning it is enabled right, jelly? |
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| 13:39.32 | nameless` | ohai howdy ! :] |
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| 13:40.02 | sk1pper | hi all, anyone knows if i can see skype chat history on linux? |
| 13:40.06 | jelly | Bauer1: meaning it's loaded and the functionality registered with the kernel correctly, but check dmesg for any (weird) lines after you modprobed it |
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| 13:48.26 | Bauer1 | jelly, ChrisH : we have tested this again, it does not work :( http://codepad.org/EDK4WZJd |
| 13:49.01 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: I also found something interesting: I can only resize the memory once, it wont let me resize again unless I reboot... weird behaviour |
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| 13:49.49 | jelly | Bauer1: doesn't that dmesg say something worked? |
| 13:50.28 | ChrisH | Bauer1: it detects new memory. does free -m show any changed size? What number of online banks does the grep show before and after? |
| 13:50.31 | Bauer1 | jelly: I am not sure what it means :) that module was loaded successfully? detection was successful? |
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| 13:51.24 | jelly | me neither, but something happened on those phys. addresses |
| 13:51.35 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: good guess! I forgot about the memory banks! :) it shows 8 new banks |
| 13:52.09 | Bauer1 | so now I just echo online > /sys/devices/system/memory/memory[number]/state into each offline slot? |
| 13:52.13 | Bauer1 | and it should bring it online? |
| 13:52.14 | Wizard | What should I install to be able to change GTK themes from KDE system settings? |
| 13:52.18 | ChrisH | I just unloaded and loaded this acpi guy and it does not show anything in dmesg. |
| 13:52.30 | jelly | Bauer1: that's what the instructions say. |
| 13:52.46 | ChrisH | Bauer1: I would first test grep offline state to see something |
| 13:52.52 | Wizard | Wizard: kde-config-gtk-style |
| 13:52.59 | jelly | grep -l offline /sys/devices/system/memory/memory*/state | xargs tee -a online |
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| 13:53.36 | jelly | er, nope |
| 13:53.52 | Bauer1 | fucking hell, that works!!! Mem: 3036 239 2796 |
| 13:54.01 | Bauer1 | raised from Mem: 2012 |
| 13:54.17 | jelly | it helps if you follow the docs |
| 13:54.28 | Bauer1 | is there some memory test I could try to really see that the memory is really working? |
| 13:54.33 | ChrisH | Good to know its working. |
| 13:54.49 | jelly | ,i memtester |
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| 13:54.52 | judd | Package memtester (utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: Utility for testing the memory subsystem. Version: 4.2.2-1; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ |
| 13:54.54 | Bauer1 | well yup, I just assumed modprobe detects new memory, not listening to some event |
| 13:54.55 | ChrisH | Bauer1: free -m would be enough for me |
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| 13:55.24 | jelly | if it fails, you'll find out soon enough with a kernel panic |
| 13:55.26 | Bauer1 | thank you both ChrisH and jelly :) |
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| 13:56.50 | jelly | should have been "echo online | tee -a $(grep -l offline /sys/devices/system/memory/memory*/state)" |
| 13:56.50 | ChrisH | Bauer1: cann you do it the other way round? Offline memory and remove it from ESX? More an academic one, like filesystem normally get increased only. |
| 13:57.09 | jelly | ChrisH: that might not work at all |
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| 13:57.21 | jelly | even newer functionality |
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| 13:57.55 | ChrisH | From what my coworker explained from his VMWare Training.. it is hotADD not hotremove :) |
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| 13:58.29 | jelly | (it would certainly be useful in some cases, but vmware usually figures out which memory lies unused on its own) |
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| 14:00.47 | Ch4rAss | can anyone pls give me a screenshot of gnome-tweek-tool with default font selected (in Gnome3)? I would like to use default fonts on my system again (accidentally changed) |
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| 14:07.20 | ThothCastel_ | is there a difference in configuring a client with dns using the /etc/resolv.conf and using the /etc/network/interfaces with the dns-search and dns-nameservers ??? |
| 14:07.58 | mumpitzel | no. interfaces will put it into resolv.conf |
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| 14:12.54 | jordanm | mumpitzel, OP was already done, but the "resolvconf" package must be installed to use dns configuration in interfaces |
| 14:12.55 | DarsVaeda | hi I try to partition my harddrive from a debian 7 live but I get a device busy error |
| 14:13.20 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Any chance you can access the live and generate the error while typing here? |
| 14:13.28 | DarsVaeda | I am |
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| 14:13.43 | Stygia | lsof | grep -i something_unique_in_the_path |
| 14:14.08 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, grep it multiple times if you get too many results |
| 14:14.21 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, like lsof | grep -i path_thing_one | grep -i path_thing_two |
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| 14:14.34 | Stygia | To the harddrive you're trying to partition |
| 14:14.44 | Iridos | ChrisH, Cantarell|11 Sans|11 Monospace|11 Cantarell Bold|11 Medium Grayscale |
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| 14:14.48 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, also, type mount and look if it's mounted of course |
| 14:14.50 | DarsVaeda | how do I get the vertical bar on the english keyboard... |
| 14:14.52 | nameless` | i have a question regarding grub.cfg, what set root=(md126) does ? |
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| 14:15.18 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, which keyboard do you want? type setxkmap -layout us (substituted for your language |
| 14:15.39 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, the two character identification for your country, like us, en, ir, etc. |
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| 14:16.13 | DarsVaeda | that command is not available, german layout would be nice thou |
| 14:16.38 | DarsVaeda | but I found the bar anyway :) |
| 14:17.16 | Wizard | setxkbmap ru |
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| 14:18.38 | DarsVaeda | Stygia: there is nothing on that device, it is just an empty extended partition, so no paths I guess? |
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| 14:19.45 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Hmm, alright, if you find nothing then nothing's open there. |
| 14:19.50 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, What did mount say? |
| 14:20.09 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, it may be mounted ro or something |
| 14:20.11 | DarsVaeda | not mounted but the error changed too |
| 14:20.13 | DarsVaeda | http://pastebin.com/NzxAFxyY |
| 14:20.50 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, MSDOS_MAGIC found, interesting error. |
| 14:21.16 | DarsVaeda | I tried to install win server first and then install debian after it |
| 14:21.27 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, And you are running the partitioner on /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1 or something... |
| 14:21.30 | DarsVaeda | but windows is not intelligent enough to create extended partitions |
| 14:21.34 | Wizard | Well, MSDOS_MAGIC is probably notion of boot record. |
| 14:22.01 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Do you need to preserve the windows system? |
| 14:22.11 | DarsVaeda | not on that partition |
| 14:22.20 | unr3al011 | i installed munin over apt but how can i access its web frontend now? i thought default port is 4949? |
| 14:22.26 | DarsVaeda | I have win7 on another thou I like to preserve |
| 14:22.27 | Wizard | Hmm.. /dev/sda is a disk. |
| 14:22.47 | Stygia | Wizard, Yea, but you can write data directly without a partition/filestystem. |
| 14:22.56 | Stygia | Wizard, Wouldn't be surprised if MS did that. |
| 14:22.56 | DarsVaeda | oh wait that software is a bit misleading |
| 14:23.06 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, try fdisk? |
| 14:23.06 | DarsVaeda | it is actually dev/sda4 |
| 14:23.14 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Ah then that's it. |
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| 14:23.25 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Which command are you running, exactly? Which program are you using? |
| 14:23.32 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, I suggest fdisk, command line, it's pretty simple. |
| 14:23.38 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, if you have problems. |
| 14:23.39 | Wizard | Or cfdisk. |
| 14:23.43 | DarsVaeda | it is called disk utility |
| 14:23.45 | sevenfourk | fellas, what method would you recommend to implement executing some commands after hibernate (to ram)? |
| 14:23.51 | Stygia | Wizard, Sure, never used it really, couldn't say. |
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| 14:24.02 | Wizard | sevenfourk: After hibernate? |
| 14:24.25 | sevenfourk | Wizard: meant after restoring system |
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| 14:24.43 | DarsVaeda | unfortunately neither of those are installed |
| 14:24.45 | Wizard | Ah, than it's quite easy. Add your hook in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ |
| 14:24.52 | Wizard | DarsVaeda: Than install them :) |
| 14:25.03 | jhutchins_wk | DarsVaeda: fdisk should be on a base install. |
| 14:25.16 | DarsVaeda | can you do that with the live disk? |
| 14:25.19 | Wizard | Yes. |
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| 14:25.28 | jhutchins_wk | DarsVaeda: It's in /sbin, so you need to be root. |
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| 14:25.37 | Wizard | I think both are available. |
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| 14:25.58 | DarsVaeda | ahh |
| 14:26.02 | DarsVaeda | i see |
| 14:26.37 | sevenfourk | Wizard: I do not use pm-utils, nor acpi. Can't I do without them, I mean on some low level? |
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| 14:28.17 | jhutchins_wk | DarsVaeda: Please use paste.debian.net, there are problems with pastebin.com |
| 14:29.19 | DarsVaeda | k |
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| 14:31.39 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, sudo fdisk /dev/sda |
| 14:31.47 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Why do you want to manually partition? |
| 14:32.00 | DarsVaeda | I just installed gparted, that is suitable for a noob like I am and it works |
| 14:32.17 | nameless` | how does grub knows on which device is located the /boot ? |
| 14:32.18 | DarsVaeda | cause windows installation can not create extended partitions and I need one |
| 14:32.40 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, I think the partitioner that runs with the install wizard will do. It was Ubuntu right? |
| 14:33.14 | DarsVaeda | no windows server 2008 ^^ |
| 14:33.28 | Wizard | :D |
| 14:33.50 | Wizard | Shortest joke ever. Windows server. |
| 14:33.55 | asdhjk | Nono, you can't tell us about random archives. Bad boy! |
| 14:33.55 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Ah, so you are trying to create the extended partitions for windows. Gotcha. Have you tried running the gui tool with sudo? |
| 14:34.00 | DarsVaeda | laughable thing, but I need to try sharepoint, next joke |
| 14:34.01 | asdhjk | somebody Can help for this error ? |
| 14:34.12 | Stygia | asdhjk, which error? |
| 14:34.24 | asdhjk | "Nono, you can't tell us about random archives. Bad boy! |
| 14:34.25 | asdhjk | " |
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| 14:34.33 | DarsVaeda | Stygia: no I installed gparted now and run that as root, that worked :) |
| 14:34.35 | asdhjk | I try to create debian mirror |
| 14:34.37 | Stygia | asdhjk, That's an error? From which program? |
| 14:34.41 | DarsVaeda | thanks to everyone! |
| 14:34.52 | asdhjk | and use ftpsync.tar.gz |
| 14:34.54 | Stygia | DarsVaeda, Fantastic! Remember with linux there is no "admin", just run the programs logged in as "root" or with sudo. |
| 14:34.59 | asdhjk | and official documentation for debian mirrors |
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| 14:35.12 | asdhjk | All works, but if try to run /home/user/bin/ftpsync |
| 14:35.14 | Stygia | asdhjk, Ah, ask someone else than me then. |
| 14:35.16 | asdhjk | and have this error: |
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| 14:36.22 | Chetic | what are some examples of software that will not work properly if the system time is set back in time? |
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| 14:36.52 | Bauer1 | ChrisH: I did not try to offline memory banks, but I do not believe it will work - logically, once you expand memory and the system allocates it, cant really scale down to use less.. like a brain that evolves :) |
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| 14:39.05 | pbase | how do i rename the root account in debian ? |
| 14:40.16 | jelly | pbase: it is not safe to do that, on any unix or linux unless they specifically support it |
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| 14:41.17 | pbase | what is the threat if one changes it? |
| 14:41.39 | jelly | various things will break or behave unpredictably |
| 14:42.25 | jelly | having the user with uid 0 named root is so ingrained, it's hard to even say what might or might not break |
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| 14:43.51 | pbase | this probably can change.. a variable probably (ROOT_USER) probably can help |
| 14:43.54 | jelly | pbase: what's the supposed goal of this change? |
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| 14:44.31 | Sevet | pbase: many things are written assuming that that user is named root and will have that name hardcoded, thus breaking if you change the name. installation scripts for example. |
| 14:44.34 | pbase | jelly: preventing a attacker with the obbious username |
| 14:44.45 | Sevet | just deny remote root logins |
| 14:44.46 | jelly | pbase: preventing them from doing what? |
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| 14:45.40 | pbase | jelly: browsing thru my gazillion dollar documents ;) |
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| 14:46.07 | jelly | pbase: using what kind of access? |
| 14:46.29 | pbase | ofc remote/ssh |
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| 14:46.55 | Sevet | pbase: /etc/ssh/sshd_config PermitRootLogin no |
| 14:47.09 | deception | ^ |
| 14:47.36 | Sevet | (or i prefer PermitRootLogin without-password, which still lets me in with ssh keys) |
| 14:49.07 | deception | pbase, You could also setup sudo and disable the root account, sudo passwd -l root |
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| 14:49.50 | pbase | deception: dont like that approach.. separate users with defined roles makes more sense to me |
| 14:49.51 | Sevet | yep, that's a good alternative... rather than focussing on usernames focus on secure passwords or even better requiring ssh keys remotely |
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| 14:50.06 | deception | pbase, just giving you options |
| 14:50.13 | babilen | (keys with passphrases naturally) |
| 14:50.41 | deception | sudo gives you the ability to restrict which commands they can run as root |
| 14:50.50 | Sevet | pbase: sudo is a great way to do that - it lets you give root access to different groups of programs (doesn't have to be full root access) |
| 14:51.06 | pbase | still wondering.. what would be the need to hardcode the root user? |
| 14:51.32 | Sevet | (though if doing that be careful not to include a shell/interpreter in the list, otherwise they can then run anything from within that as root) |
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| 14:51.43 | jelly | pbase: If you require direct access to root from remote, allow it only from a VPN or limit it to a small set of known addresses. |
| 14:51.46 | pbase | Sevet: deception iam aware of that.. used to do it that way earlier |
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| 14:52.06 | Sevet | 'what would be the need to hardcode the root user' < it's just done that way, too many things depend on it now to do otherwise |
| 14:52.39 | deception | Why is the Windows privileged account named SYSTEM? |
| 14:52.42 | deception | Just cause |
| 14:52.50 | Sevet | and there's no real good reason to call it anything different. security by obscurity is not security. |
| 14:53.06 | jelly | pbase: what would be needed? Someone would have to inspect a significant amount of all the code in Debian. Maybe 5%. That's billions of SLOC. |
| 14:53.07 | Sevet | if you're worried about local users, /etc/passwd is world-readable |
| 14:53.18 | hamTo3 | i did set up a xen server and some virtual server on it. now i need to configura the network, which makes me some problems.. the server has a public IP and the virtuel servers have private IPs. but i do not get them to communicate with each other |
| 14:53.27 | deception | Sevet, Yeah right |
| 14:53.31 | deception | He can't hide it |
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| 14:54.27 | pbase | well I appreciate your responses but i am wondering why is noone addressing the core of my question.. the reason |
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| 14:55.13 | Sevet | pbase: because it's a core assumption of unix-type systems |
| 14:55.21 | jelly | pbase: it's not cost effective. |
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| 14:55.58 | deception | http://linuxers.org/article/fun-linux-changing-root-user-name-linux |
| 14:56.03 | deception | pbase, have fun |
| 14:56.12 | deception | Let us know what breaks |
| 14:56.17 | jelly | pbase: _someone_ needs to spend millions of dollars in engineer time to inspect that particular issue. |
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| 14:56.41 | themill | want to know how much code uses things like «install -o root -g root …» all over the place? |
| 14:57.08 | Sevet | apt-get install would be the first thing to break i'd guess because of ^^^ type stuff in postinst etc |
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| 14:57.52 | jelly | Sevet: themill's example makes "make install" break on any project using autotools |
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| 14:58.01 | Sevet | yep |
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| 14:58.27 | themill | (codesearch.debian.net -- have fun!) |
| 14:58.32 | jelly | pbase: does that answer your question? |
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| 14:59.57 | pbase | deception: interesting link! thanks |
| 15:00.15 | jelly | yay sloccount http://blog.james.rcpt.to/2012/02/13/debian-wheezy-us19-billion-your-price-free/ |
| 15:01.00 | pbase | jelly: sure cost is a factor, but there must be definitely someone who knows the reasoning of the assumptions |
| 15:01.11 | Pryon | Ken Thompson |
| 15:01.32 | pbase | jelly: yes more or less.. |
| 15:01.56 | jelly | pbase: there is no apriori decision or reasoning. This is 40 years of unix legacy. |
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| 15:02.12 | deception | pbase, No problem, It's more a ain't broke don't fix it type thing |
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| 15:02.22 | deception | I don't see any advantages to it |
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| 15:03.10 | damaxus | hello - i have a squeeze box I want to update and I don't see squeeze repos on archive.debian.org yet.. and the existing sources.list fails to update. |
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| 15:03.26 | jelly | dpkg, tell damaxus about squeeze sources.list |
| 15:03.29 | damaxus | anyone know where I can point apt to update it? |
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| 15:03.49 | babilen | damaxus: Could you paste your sources.list and the exact error to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:04.22 | babilen | damaxus: But try the http.debian.net metamirror too |
| 15:04.31 | banjo | hi im trying to setup the lxpanel on openbox for autostart. ive now opened terminal, write 'lxpanel' but with ctrl+c the lxpanel is closed. how can i make it standard running? |
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| 15:05.02 | damaxus | ahh, thanks jelly |
| 15:05.04 | damaxus | babilen: https://pastee.org/2r9zs |
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| 15:07.05 | deception | themill, Trying to find all the java code in debian off of codesearch with "filetype:java" but it's not playing nice |
| 15:07.16 | deception | Any idea how to see debian java code? |
| 15:07.17 | babilen | damaxus: You should have all packages from squeeze-updates in the latest <point release> so I wouldn't worry about that. |
| 15:07.32 | damaxus | Hm, still getting the E: Release file expired, ignoring http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 49d 6h 45min 11s) |
| 15:07.53 | jelly | finds http.d.n to be broken more often than not |
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| 15:08.20 | themill | jelly: please work out which mirror and hit the mirror owner (yourself) and also let the maintainer of http.d.n know |
| 15:08.33 | jelly | themill: http.d.n should do that on its own. |
| 15:08.45 | themill | jelly: indeed. Which is why you should report bugs. |
| 15:08.49 | jelly | themill: hell, if the mirrors page can do it... |
| 15:09.06 | themill | no, the mirrors page can't. http.d.n is trying to do much better than that |
| 15:09.13 | mtn | banjo: I don't remember for sure, but look in .config/autostart. I think you can put things there to autostart |
| 15:09.25 | themill | deception: no idea. Never looked at that |
| 15:09.36 | deception | themill, ty |
| 15:09.50 | jelly | themill: I do not know what it's _trying_, but see when it fails. |
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| 15:10.07 | themill | jelly: hence why reporting bugs is important. |
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| 15:11.01 | jhutchins_wk | host http.debian.net |
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| 15:11.26 | themill | jhutchins_wk: that won't tell you anything useful |
| 15:11.27 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: it's a layer 7 redirector |
| 15:11.43 | babilen | dpkg: which http.debian.net |
| 15:11.44 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <http.debian.net> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
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| 15:12.18 | babilen | Or just use their search function on http://http.debian.net/demo.html |
| 15:12.45 | themill | (there's actually an extra magic header you can throw at http.d.n to get it to give you back more info but I can't recall the details) |
| 15:12.57 | banjo | mtn i dont have .config/autostart. just the folder openbox with lxde-rd.xml and rc.xml in it |
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| 15:13.29 | jelly | themill: would there be a way to make an apt hook to call a command if an E:rror happens at apt-get update time? |
| 15:13.41 | themill | not that I know of |
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| 15:14.10 | themill | although the exit code allows you to do that |
| 15:14.10 | mtn | banjo: odd, that folder is there by default, as far as I know. What version of debian? |
| 15:14.48 | jelly | making a wrapper around apt-get or aptitude is a bit more complex than doing a hook |
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| 15:14.51 | zphinx | Hello folks, considering a move from Arch to debian, being an ATI Radeon user, what release should i aim for if i want to be able to use the propertiary drivers for my hd7750 card? testing? |
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| 15:15.14 | banjo | i found in the lxpanel menu the desktop-administration and there are listed the autostart programms. but i just can activate or deactivate them, but no adding. ive debian 7 mtn |
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| 15:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | zphinx: testing is not released. |
| 15:15.43 | jelly | they already break ^C handling on their own, I would just break some more |
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| 15:15.50 | mtn | banjo: I don't know openbox anymore. maybe someone else can help. |
| 15:16.03 | zphinx | jhutchins_wk: any suggestions then? |
| 15:16.05 | themill | jhutchins_wk: I assume that was supposed to be a helpful answer? |
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| 15:16.07 | banjo | ok thanks |
| 15:16.17 | themill | jelly: apt-get update doesn't |
| 15:16.17 | jhutchins_wk | zphinx: wheezy is the stable release. |
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| 15:16.43 | zphinx | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but i would prefer something more current then stable for a desktop installation. |
| 15:17.11 | banjo | someone here who knows how to add something to autostart with openbox? |
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| 15:17.53 | berarma | zphinx: there's no release newer than wheezy |
| 15:17.58 | jelly | themill: oh, true, now assuming this wrapper existed, we just need to make people on irc install it, a thing that does a diversion on apt-get :-| |
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| 15:18.03 | themill | zphinx: wheezy released 5 weeks ago, you can't really call it old yet |
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| 15:18.23 | mtn | banjo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox#Startup_programs |
| 15:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | banjo: Look for documentation on the autostart file. |
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| 15:19.05 | themill | jelly: or we could just keep on progressively improving the mirror network and our tools to manage it. BTW have you tried http.d.n in the last couple of months? It has become a lot stricter about the mirrors it includes. |
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| 15:19.09 | jhutchins_wk | zphinx: That is the most current release of debian. |
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| 15:19.39 | mtn | zphinx: some folks run sid, but you need to read up on it. do a search on running sid |
| 15:19.44 | jelly | themill: I have barely done an update during that time! |
| 15:19.48 | banjo | mtn thanks. got it |
| 15:19.57 | mtn | banjo: :) |
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| 15:20.08 | jhutchins_wk | mtn: sid is also not a release, it's a staging repository for software moving into testing. |
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| 15:20.22 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: but at least it's a complete repository |
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| 15:20.24 | mtn | jhutchins_wk: guess what? I know that. |
| 15:20.28 | themill | jhutchins_wk: they are releases. Stop being an unhelpful pedant. |
| 15:20.41 | berarma | zphinx: read about stable + backports and then about testing before trying |
| 15:20.54 | jhutchins_wk | themill: By definition they are not released. By all means, encourage new users to install sid. |
| 15:21.36 | themill | jhutchins_wk: do explain this URL then: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release. The filename part, in particular. |
| 15:22.07 | themill | (and I am not telling new users to install sid, I'm telling you to stop pretending that jessie and sid aren't called "releases" by everyone else in the world) |
| 15:22.19 | berarma | I think calling testing and SID the latest Debian releases is confusing at least |
| 15:23.14 | themill | jhutchins_wk: you may also like to read http://www.debian.org/releases/ carefully. |
| 15:23.21 | ws2k3 | when i change anything in sysctl.conf do i need to restart anything before it going to work ? |
| 15:23.39 | jelly | it IS confusing, but noone cares about the newbies unaccustomed to debian's slang |
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| 15:24.05 | babilen | It gets confusing once "suite" and "distribution" enter the equation :) |
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| 15:24.37 | jelly | I think 3-4 meanings for "release" or "updates" are sufficient enough; |
| 15:24.45 | themill | Sure, "distribution", "release" and "suite" are used interchangeably within debian. But pretending that they are not in order to pick fights on irc puts you in the same boat as chealer trying to convince everyone that it should be called the "ITS" not "BTS". |
| 15:25.17 | jelly | i? |
| 15:25.55 | babilen | ? indeed :) |
| 15:25.59 | berarma | ws2k3: you should run "sysctl -p" |
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| 15:35.57 | JohnathonDoe | Why the hell would you want to call BTS ITS o_o |
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| 15:37.33 | banjo | mtn thank and bye, have now to ready lil bout debian |
| 15:37.36 | DarsVaeda | hurray back to debian... |
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| 15:37.55 | DarsVaeda | can someone tell me what driver I need to use for the ATI X1600? (RV530) |
| 15:38.01 | jelly | ws2k3: fsck? It usually does not care what kind of block device is underneath. |
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| 15:51.48 | DammitJim | is it normal that I have an installedpackages file in my home directory? |
| 15:51.54 | DammitJim | how does such a file get generated? |
| 15:52.04 | DammitJim | root/root owns it |
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| 15:53.34 | babilen | DammitJim: What's inside? (and no, you must have created that) |
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| 15:54.39 | jelly | DammitJim: are there any other adminses on the machine, or was it installed from some unusual image instead of the normal debian installer? |
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| 15:55.42 | DammitJim | normal debian netinstaller |
| 15:55.52 | DammitJim | it just has a list of packages |
| 15:56.03 | DammitJim | listed one per line |
| 15:56.40 | babilen | Anything in any of /home/*/.*history ? or /root/.*history regarding that file? |
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| 15:57.25 | DammitJim | no history on this home folder |
| 15:57.26 | DammitJim | hold on |
| 15:57.49 | DammitJim | no, just the bash_history and mysql_history |
| 15:58.13 | DammitJim | it's interesting, though... I could possibly use this file to install all the packages I need on a new machine if this one decided to bork |
| 15:58.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell DammitJim -about aptitude clone |
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| 15:59.07 | DammitJim | very nice babilen, thanks |
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| 16:00.44 | Christoff522 | time to wipe again, this time im wiping debian xfce and installing crunchbang |
| 16:00.52 | Christoff522 | i get a week off work |
| 16:00.57 | Christoff522 | and this is what I do for fun |
| 16:00.59 | Christoff522 | I need a girlfriend |
| 16:01.13 | babilen | Christoff522: Have fun, no need to tell us though :) |
| 16:01.25 | Christoff522 | I needed to tell someone who understands |
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| 16:01.33 | Christoff522 | hahaa |
| 16:01.55 | babilen | (also, there are many much nicer ways to spend a week off work, but that's rather a topic for #debian-offtopic than #debian) |
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| 16:02.07 | Christoff522 | oops |
| 16:02.08 | Christoff522 | sorry |
| 16:02.25 | babilen | No problem, don't worry :) |
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| 16:03.13 | muculus | http://superuser.com/questions/606752/devscript-depency-install-failed |
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| 16:08.43 | jelly | muculus: it helps if you write a short description of the issue in the channel next to the link with more info |
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| 16:09.25 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:09.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:12.24 | muculus | In debian 6 when I try to install devscript, it's failed because of dependencies, |
| 16:12.24 | muculus | more in: http://superuser.com/questions/606752/devscript-depency-install-failed |
| 16:12.24 | muculus | plz help |
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| 16:12.50 | jelly | muculus: in your case, please read "/msg dpkg bat" and provide all the requested information including apt-cache policy devscript dpkg-dev dctrl-tools |
| 16:13.06 | jelly | dpkg, tell muculus about bat |
| 16:13.20 | jelly | erm. |
| 16:13.26 | jelly | devscripts, not devscript. |
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| 16:16.11 | muculus | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/9956/ |
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| 16:16.29 | nfm | I installed debian as a virtualbox guest on a windows host. During the installation it installed packages virtualbox-guest-utils, virtualbox-guest-x11, etc. Are those the same things as the Guest Additions in virtualbox, and if I prefer going ahead and installing the Guest Additions using the virtualbox iso, should I remove those packages first? |
| 16:17.14 | muculus | jelly: I know it's devscripts, I made this mistake when I typing here |
| 16:17.48 | jordanm | nfm, yes, it's the same. |
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| 16:18.36 | jelly | muculus: um, you just copy/pasted the same information from the forum questio |
| 16:19.06 | theunixfreak | is anybody online here? |
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| 16:19.16 | jelly | theunixfreak: yes |
| 16:19.22 | theunixfreak | Myrtti: what is your rig? |
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| 16:20.01 | muculus | jelly: no , I type it myself. |
| 16:20.07 | jelly | theunixfreak: some 1200 people. This is a tech support channel, if you don't need or give tech support and want to chat, you might be better served in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:20.11 | theunixfreak | jelly: have you upgraded to Wheezy? |
| 16:20.29 | jelly | muculus: my point was you did not provide the information from dpkg |
| 16:20.34 | theunixfreak | jelly: thanks, I will go to off topic |
| 16:20.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell muculus about bat |
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| 16:21.36 | nfm | jordanm: the virtualbox manual recommends a tight matching between guest additions version and virtualbox version, so should I uninstall the debian packages (which I assume are for whatever version of virtualbox is in the repositories) and install the additions that came with my windows installation of virtualbox? |
| 16:21.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell muculus about nopaste |
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| 16:22.03 | Neobenedict | dpkg, tell Neobenedict about tells |
| 16:22.17 | jordanm | nfm, that's what I usually do |
| 16:22.25 | nfm | Okay, thanks! |
| 16:22.26 | mumpitzel | !tell Neobenedict about selftell |
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| 16:22.55 | Neobenedict | is there a list |
| 16:23.09 | jelly | muculus: do you have "curl" installed on that machine at present? If you do, you can use "some command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" to paste stuff |
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| 16:23.56 | muculus | jelly: Itry it now |
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| 16:24.29 | jelly | muculus: that way you will be able to paste output from "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy devscripts dpkg-dev dctrl-tools libc6 dpkg" (I added a few more packages to the command line) |
| 16:25.16 | muculus | jelly: thank u, I try it now. |
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| 16:28.01 | jelly | muculus: I'm off for about an hour, someone else might jump in after you gather the information |
| 16:28.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps my X is acting weird |
| 16:28.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | on the terminal its saying no protocol specified |
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| 16:35.13 | nvteighen | hi |
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| 16:36.17 | nvteighen | I'm a bit worried about the safeness of using contrib/non-free packages |
| 16:36.36 | mumpitzel | in what way? |
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| 16:37.10 | nvteighen | the only ones I've got are nautilus-desktop and flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:37.28 | nvteighen | my worry is that these download stuff from the internet |
| 16:37.50 | nvteighen | are these audited by the Debian mantainers? |
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| 16:38.01 | nvteighen | (I know there's no source, but tested, etc.) |
| 16:38.21 | mumpitzel | no they aren't. how could they be? you have to trust adobe for the flashplugin for example |
| 16:38.58 | nvteighen | I looked into the debian package source |
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| 16:38.59 | anddam | what's the recommended way to restart networking? |
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| 16:40.08 | nvteighen | mumpitzel: as far as I understood the code, it seems that the debhelper scripts (that run as root) |
| 16:40.15 | nvteighen | sorry |
| 16:40.21 | nvteighen | that the scripts don't do any harm |
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| 16:40.48 | nvteighen | they only download but do not start the service (so flash and dropbox don't ever run as root) |
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| 16:42.17 | nvteighen | my fear is that the scripts that control the deb package are run as root and I wanted to know who's behind them and if they are checked somehow |
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| 16:44.34 | mumpitzel | the scripts are uploaded by maintainers, are open source and you can see them. that's like any other package in debian main |
| 16:44.48 | mumpitzel | only flashplugin itself can't be scrutinized |
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| 16:45.15 | mumpitzel | look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for them |
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| 16:48.07 | R0s | hi all |
| 16:49.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | guys whats the oneliner to reinstall my wheezy kernel? |
| 16:49.12 | nvteighen | mumpitzel: ok, thanks. That was my concern. I'm not that concerned about Flash or Dropbox themselves because they do not run as superuser |
| 16:49.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | kernel is screwed up and it wont load X |
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| 16:51.02 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: dpkg -i <package> |
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| 16:51.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | o .. |
| 16:51.17 | muculus | jelly: I can not install even curl. It says curl depends libcurl3 (and also says:"but it is not going to be installed") , I try to install libcurl3, it says it depends on libssh2-1, I try to install libssh2-1, apt doesn't find it in its repositories. |
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| 16:53.03 | muculus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.04 | mumpitzel | muculus: pastebin your sources.list then |
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| 16:53.49 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: reinstalling the kernel without having a clue what's actually wrong is however a bad idea. most probably it won't break anything so it's no big deal, but it won't help either |
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| 16:54.27 | blut | hello |
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| 16:54.45 | blut | I have an issue with my mic. |
| 16:54.50 | blut | I run alsa |
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| 16:54.57 | blut | no pulse installed. |
| 16:55.38 | blut | i added 'options snd_hda_intel model=thinkpad' to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 16:55.52 | blut | i use alsamixer to set volume lvls |
| 16:56.07 | blut | however with arecord i can't seem to capture input |
| 16:56.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | it says it cant locate th pacakge |
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| 16:56.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | the pack age |
| 16:56.31 | blut | i didn't try a plugin mic yet but i want to get the internal mic working anyways. |
| 16:57.04 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: actually diagnose the problem instead of wildly flailing. and dpkg installs files you have on your system. as a debian user you should know that already |
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| 16:57.27 | anddam | when installing dovecot I get https://gist.github.com/anddam/5767131 but I have default apt sources list, why is this? |
| 16:58.11 | mumpitzel | anddam: apt-cache policy dovecot-imapd |
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| 16:58.49 | blut | well for one i don't have a seperate mic audio jack |
| 16:59.05 | muculus | mumpitzel: http://paste.debian.net/9963/ |
| 16:59.21 | anddam | mumpitzel: 500 http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages |
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| 16:59.39 | mumpitzel | muculus: you have a bad sources.list |
| 16:59.49 | mumpitzel | anddam: that's not the output |
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| 17:00.07 | nack | is there a single command to expand a tar.bz? |
| 17:00.14 | nack | is there a single command to expand a tar.bz2? |
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| 17:00.34 | mumpitzel | muculus: add a deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main |
| 17:00.36 | nvteighen | nack: IIRC it's tar -xvfj whatever.tar.bz2 |
| 17:00.39 | anddam | mumpitzel: not the whole output |
| 17:00.54 | mumpitzel | nack: tar -jxvf .... |
| 17:01.02 | nvteighen | nack: sorry tar -xvjf whatever.tar.bz2 |
| 17:01.03 | nack | thanks |
| 17:01.20 | anddam | mumpitzel: gist updated |
| 17:01.35 | nvteighen | nack: (the order of flags is irrelevant, as long as f is the option immediately before the filename) |
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| 17:02.04 | nack | thanks |
| 17:02.23 | nack | I didn't know about that j flag |
| 17:02.28 | nack | good to know :) |
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| 17:05.14 | anddam | mumpitzel: any further hint? |
| 17:06.03 | muculus | mumpitzel: thanks, thats right. |
| 17:06.29 | mumpitzel | anddam: do you get GPG warnings on apt-get update? |
| 17:06.32 | jch | has anyone been able to run netflix-dektop successfully on wheezy i386? |
| 17:07.42 | anddam | mumpitzel: I didn't and I just updated |
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| 17:07.58 | anddam | mumpitzel: or maybe… the network was broken when I ran update |
| 17:08.17 | anddam | and I never did that again, after |
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| 17:09.47 | jch | when I try to install netfix-desktop |
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| 17:10.18 | jch | I get an error because wine-browser-installer is not installed |
| 17:10.36 | jch | then when I try to install wine-browser-installer |
| 17:10.57 | jch | I get an error because ttf-mscorefonts is not installed |
| 17:11.15 | nvteighen | jch: never done it myself, but looks like you need wine |
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| 17:11.40 | berarma | I just upgraded my motherboard to a GA-990XA-UD3 and the USB2 ports didn't work, I enabled IOMMU in the BIOS and now I get a lot of IO_PAGE_FAULT errors in the logs from my NVIDIA blob driver |
| 17:11.52 | jch | then when trying to install ttf-mscorefonts I cannot download the pkg |
| 17:12.14 | nvteighen | jch: have you installed wine? |
| 17:12.31 | jch | yeah I have wine installed |
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| 17:13.14 | mumpitzel | jch: how were you trying to install wine-browser? |
| 17:13.57 | jch | nvteighen: I used apt-get install wine-browser-installer as root |
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| 17:16.23 | nvteighen | jch: no idea, then... |
| 17:16.35 | anddam | mumpitzel: confirmed, no GPG warning while updating |
| 17:16.54 | jch | nvteighen: thanks for trying to help |
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| 17:17.07 | nvteighen | jch: :) |
| 17:17.10 | mumpitzel | normally this warning comes when debian can't verify the archive via GPG |
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| 17:21.20 | anddam | mumpitzel: doesn't seem to be the case |
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| 17:25.43 | totte | I just installed Postfix and sent an e-mail with "mail" (mailx according to "man mail") and the name in the from field (my name) ends up garbled (it contains an "ä"). Using "mail -S sendcharsets=utf-8 myother@email.com" doesn't help. Where could things have gone awry? |
| 17:26.10 | totte | The message itself is fine, it's just the from header. :/ |
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| 17:33.24 | mogglegrange | Hi, does anyone know what user logrotate runs as? |
| 17:33.33 | mogglegrange | Does it run as root because it is executed as a cron job? |
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| 17:34.21 | mogglegrange | I need to know if I should keep the logs for a "locally" (installed in ~/bin) binary in ~/logs or /var/log/whatever |
| 17:35.08 | mogglegrange | Does it make sense to give my user permissions on /var/log/whatever and keep logs there? or is it better to keep everything related to this program in the user's home directory? |
| 17:36.39 | mogglegrange | Also: cron jobs execute using sh, rigght? But if I'm executing a bash script, that'll be done correctly, right? |
| 17:36.55 | mogglegrange | The script has #!/bin/bash at the top of course |
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| 17:39.42 | hron84 | Hi! on a debian lenny apt-get install (and other things too, e.g. upgrade) fails with segmentation fault, at fwrite in "pkgDPkgPM::OpenLog () from /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6" |
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| 17:40.14 | hron84 | where can i find source of this stuff? |
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| 17:45.38 | Neobenedict | can someone remind me of the letters for tar.gz compressing |
| 17:45.40 | Neobenedict | thanks |
| 17:46.04 | cent4urus | help |
| 17:46.21 | cent4urus | sorry miss the / :) |
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| 17:47.45 | atrapado | Neobenedict, tar czf file.tar.gz dir/ |
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| 17:50.22 | LordShiva | I have problem with radeon drivers on my Debian Sid machine |
| 17:50.43 | totte | Since /etc/passwd is in UTF-8, shouldn't the "from" header in mailx be UTF-8 as well for the receiver? |
| 17:50.45 | LordShiva | I have installed mesa 9 and now radeon wont start on my machine |
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| 17:52.22 | hamTo3 | i did setup XEN on wheezy but i do not get the virtuel network working, my server has just one public IPadresse, i even do not find a guide for that.. any halp would be nice, thx in advance |
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| 17:57.09 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 17:57.29 | jch | hi |
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| 17:57.52 | lancelot_of | which is the difference between -amd64 and rt-amd64 kernel images in wheezy repos? |
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| 18:00.00 | ghoti | I'm wondering about this: https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/13 |
| 18:00.05 | ghoti | What parts of Debian are "non-free"? |
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| 18:01.27 | Vicissitude | things in the non-free repos |
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| 18:03.09 | berarma | lancelot_of: rt kernels are realtime or low latency |
| 18:03.38 | lancelot_of | berarma, sorry for my ignorance, so the difference? |
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| 18:04.03 | berarma | rt kernels have some patches applied for lower latency response |
| 18:04.12 | lancelot_of | rt kernel 3.2 for example comes already patched? |
| 18:04.13 | berarma | just needed for realtime applications |
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| 18:04.34 | lancelot_of | ok, dunno what realtime applications are...but ok |
| 18:05.04 | mogglegrange | lancelot_of: examples include industrial control or robotics. |
| 18:05.09 | berarma | applications that need almost immediate response times to events |
| 18:05.13 | jch | lancelot_of: this link has some general info http://www.pengutronix.com/software/linux-rt/debian_en.html |
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| 18:05.53 | mogglegrange | lancelot_of: like, you need a high-resolution timer to drive a motor correctly or something. if the timer is off and signals get sent to the motor out of sync with the "real time", bad stuff happens |
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| 18:07.53 | trippeh | If you dont know what "real-time" in computing is, you probably dont need -rt. |
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| 18:08.39 | lancelot_of | trippeh, yeah....anyway i'm learning just a bit right now |
| 18:08.49 | lancelot_of | anyway thank you everybody |
| 18:08.58 | lancelot_of | have a nice night |
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| 18:42.36 | jhillis | has anybody tried netflix-dessktop on wheezy? |
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| 19:03.04 | jaydelarey | Oh hi |
| 19:03.31 | jaydelarey | Everyone having a good time |
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| 19:04.09 | jhillis | oh yeah |
| 19:04.12 | nkuttler | jaydelarey: what can we help you with? |
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| 19:04.41 | ThothCastel | is backtrack distro based on debian distro? |
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| 19:05.07 | jhillis | I have been having issues installing netflix-desktop |
| 19:05.15 | jordanm | !backtrack |
| 19:05.15 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
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| 19:06.21 | ThothCastel | jordanm: thank you... but ubuntu is based on debian, right? |
| 19:06.34 | jordanm | yes |
| 19:07.02 | jelly-home | heh, ASL |
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| 19:07.25 | ThothCastel | so is it wrong to say that backtrack is based on debian ? |
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| 19:07.30 | ThothCastel | why? |
| 19:07.51 | moof2 | ThothCastel, what's backtrack? |
| 19:08.01 | ThothCastel | it's a distro |
| 19:08.19 | moof2 | oh ok :) |
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| 19:10.47 | moof2 | what's it said to be based on (if anything)? |
| 19:11.26 | teraflop | moof2: backtrack? |
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| 19:11.54 | action09 | hi ! any solution at install i've got "error: "invalid arch independent ELF magic." grub rescue>" |
| 19:11.55 | moof2 | wait, I got it, thank you :) just had to scroll up |
| 19:12.21 | action09 | please :) |
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| 19:12.45 | moof2 | ThothCastel, which are you running now? which do you want to run? |
| 19:13.09 | jhutchins_wk | action09: What is the filename of the iso you used for installation? |
| 19:13.11 | moof2 | action09, that sounds like some thing that happened very close to the cpu |
| 19:13.12 | ThothCastel | running debian and ubuntu server |
| 19:13.21 | action09 | ho maybe bug=699038 |
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| 19:14.34 | moof2 | action09, currently my best guess is installation media is of wrong arch? also could you answer jhutchins_wk's q |
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| 19:14.40 | action09 | debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 19:14.47 | jhutchins_wk | ThothCastel: Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the backtrack people what it's based on? |
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| 19:15.46 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, well it's in the factoid that was presented a few mins ago... based on ubuntu lucid |
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| 19:17.06 | moof2 | action09, when does the error happen (relative to booting it and what you do) |
| 19:17.23 | action09 | moof2 fresh install, first reboot. |
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| 19:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | action09: Are you sure you have a 64b CPU? |
| 19:17.39 | action09 | jhutchins_wk yep |
| 19:17.55 | moof2 | so the installer did everything, and completed? |
| 19:18.02 | action09 | yes |
| 19:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | ISO & install medium verified by md5sum? |
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| 19:18.50 | action09 | Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz |
| 19:19.04 | jhutchins_wk | action09: That should be the right architecture. |
| 19:19.06 | action09 | jhutchins_wk yes i verified sha1sum correct |
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| 19:19.27 | moof2 | action09, thanks, I appreciate these clarifications |
| 19:19.27 | jhutchins_wk | action09: Sounds like grub or the kernel got corrupted. |
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| 19:19.43 | action09 | one thing, while partitionning at install it tells me an uefi part was not found. i continue. |
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| 19:20.02 | action09 | some bios settings to check.. weird :( |
| 19:20.14 | action09 | ? |
| 19:20.29 | moof2 | what's uefi? |
| 19:20.37 | action09 | don't ask me :D |
| 19:20.42 | moof2 | np :) |
| 19:20.45 | Warp4 | moof2, google it :) |
| 19:20.55 | action09 | install from an usb key :) maybe burn a cd and retry. |
| 19:21.12 | mns | uefi == Unified Extensible Firmware Interface |
| 19:21.22 | action09 | after trying to check uefi in bios.. |
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| 19:21.57 | moof2 | you put firmware files there? |
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| 19:22.14 | action09 | no |
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| 19:22.46 | moof2 | action09, understood |
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| 19:23.36 | Yoshi1 | hey is there a fix for dual screening on laptops yet? |
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| 19:24.03 | action09 | I'm going to enable rom EFI compatible in bios |
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| 19:24.25 | moof2 | Yoshi1, not that I know about. could you say more about the details of what's broken for you? |
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| 19:25.09 | ChrisH | Yoshi1: Its working fine on my Laptop, so you need to be more specific. |
| 19:25.18 | jhutchins_wk | !uefi |
| 19:25.18 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 19:25.38 | strixUK | hi, on a fairly fresh install, aptitude.log is telling me that a few packages (including rsyslog and mysql related pkgs) are on 'hold'; aptitude search ~ahold says nothing (nor does grepping through dpkg --get-selections), and yet aptitude search ?upgradable shows those same packages are upgradable. any idea what's going on? |
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| 19:26.00 | gondim | hi all. anyone know how to solve the problem of "failed" that occurs when the "/etc/init.d/iptables start" on wheezy? |
| 19:26.04 | jhutchins_wk | Windows 8 systems are starting to use UEFI and Secure Boot. |
| 19:26.13 | jhutchins_wk | Apple systems have been EFI for a while. |
| 19:26.15 | moof2 | strixUK, first do you want those packages? |
| 19:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | (Also used on some big iron.) |
| 19:26.34 | strixUK | moof2: definitely. this is a VM for, amongst other things, LAMP applications. |
| 19:26.38 | Yoshi1 | the issue with laptops that had the dedicated graphics card and an onboard |
| 19:26.53 | Yoshi1 | my hdmi port doesn output to an external monitor |
| 19:27.00 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, and you need a partition for uefi? |
| 19:27.05 | jhutchins_wk | gondim: It depends on what's causing it to fail. iptables is a complex system. Did you install a firewall? |
| 19:27.21 | moof2 | strixUK, try apt-get installing them |
| 19:27.47 | moof2 | the hold should go away when you do that |
| 19:27.51 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: I haven't worked with it in a few years, but it stores more information on the disk and uses a GPT instead of the DOS Partition Table. |
| 19:28.12 | moof2 | so he wiould need a disk with gpt? |
| 19:28.25 | Yoshi1 | ChrisH: moof2 the issue with laptops that had the dedicated graphics card and an onboard. my hdmi port doesn output to an external monitor |
| 19:28.25 | gondim | jhutchins_wk: nope, I'm using default "/etc/init.d/iptables" this load /etc/default/iptables |
| 19:28.29 | strixUK | moof2: it says that it (a sample from that list) can be upgraded. why would these packages be marked as hold? |
| 19:28.39 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Not necessarily. |
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| 19:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi1: What is your question? |
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| 19:30.17 | Yoshi1 | jhutchins_wk: well anyone have any luck on getting this sort of issue resolved. the hdmi port on my laptop doesnt output to a monitor |
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| 19:31.06 | teraflop | Yoshi1: i have no problem |
| 19:31.06 | gondim | jhutchins_wk: sorry. the script is not part of Debian. Thanks for your help |
| 19:31.16 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi1: How is that a resolvable issue? I assume it's hardwired to the internal monitor. Is there an additional port with an external connector? |
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| 19:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | gondim: If you have a local connection you should be able to troubleshoot the script. |
| 19:32.18 | Yoshi1 | jhutchins_wk: yeah i thought i said hdmi port. my monitor plugs into it |
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| 19:33.01 | moof2 | is the end result that firmware for devices is loaded into memory near bios boot time? |
| 19:33.04 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi1: So your problem is that you're not getting output on the external port. That can be enabled through xorg configuration. xrandr usually does a good job, gnome/kde configuration utils often use it. |
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| 19:33.19 | gondim | jhutchins_wk: yep. I will look this problem now. |
| 19:33.25 | wjtaylor | I don't have any sound in my browser. Banshee is ok. Is this an iceweasel thing? |
| 19:33.31 | Yoshi1 | jhutchins_wk: xrandr doesnt detect the port |
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| 19:34.17 | fishcooker | how to resize ext4? |
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| 19:34.34 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi1: Does lspci see an interface for it? What chipset is it? Is there a setting in the bios to enable it? Is there a hotkey on the laptop that's supposed to select display? |
| 19:34.50 | jordanm | fishcooker, resize2fs |
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| 19:35.50 | fishcooker | i don't see it supports for ext4 jordanm |
| 19:36.19 | fishcooker | is it right? |
| 19:36.24 | Yoshi1 | jhutchins_wk: i am not sure which of these would be i have two different vga listed if i remember correctly from past atempts this issue has something to do with nvidias optimus technology |
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| 19:36.50 | jordanm | fishcooker, the first line of the manpage says it supports ext4 |
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| 19:37.08 | fishcooker | sorry my bad |
| 19:37.16 | fishcooker | thankyou for your quick response |
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| 19:37.23 | fishcooker | jordanm: |
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| 19:37.59 | fishcooker | no man here |
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| 19:40.24 | moof2 | the man page is missing from your instllation? |
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| 19:42.39 | moof2 | in any case, glad you got your answer... also remember: when shrinking, shrink filesystem then its container (partition, logical vol, etc)... when growing, grow container first |
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| 19:43.23 | Jason | i'm on a macbook air - what version of debian do I need? amd64? Darwin Jasons-MacBook-Air.local 12.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 12.4.0: Wed May 1 17:57:12 PDT 2013; root:xnu-2050.24.15~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 19:43.56 | moof2 | Jason, looks like your mac kernel is amd64 |
| 19:44.31 | moof2 | so you could choose that or i386 |
| 19:44.37 | worstadmin | Has anyone found a way around this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615864 ? |
| 19:44.48 | worstadmin | Having a broke iscsi implementation seems like a coffin nail |
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| 19:45.22 | Jason | moof2: got it. thanks. |
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| 19:46.42 | moof2 | Jason, amd64 and x86-64 are names for each other |
| 19:47.52 | Jason | moof2: ah. got it. |
| 19:48.05 | Jason | moof2: hm. i'm also looking for an *extremely* light version of debian. |
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| 19:48.28 | Jason | these disk images seem to be 600+ megabytes |
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| 19:48.48 | moof2 | those sound like the cd1 images? |
| 19:48.53 | Jason | possibly |
| 19:48.57 | Jason | yeah |
| 19:49.17 | Jason | moof2: i'm literally looking for a copy that I can just power on and apt-get whatever I need. |
| 19:49.28 | Jason | i may do netinst, actually |
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| 19:49.53 | moof2 | you could use those to boot or install, or you can use the netinstall which are a little larger than 1/3rd of the cd1s |
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| 19:51.17 | moof2 | here's one thing you're looking at... so, the installer will try to activate your network (driver/firmware/try dhcp) |
| 19:51.34 | moof2 | if that succeeds, then base and rest of installer comes over net |
| 19:52.25 | Jason | moof2: got it - thanks :) |
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| 19:52.28 | moof2 | if that fails, then net is not used or configured, and base and installer pieces come from cd. when you reboot into your installation, you won't have net, and that will likely be the first thing you'd want to take care of |
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| 19:52.55 | Yoshi1 | well theres primus but it doesnt solve my issue with the hdmi port |
| 19:53.27 | moof2 | my buddy was drummer in primus before they came out |
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| 19:54.47 | Yoshi1 | moof2: bumblebee/primus |
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| 19:56.14 | jhutchins_wk | Can anyone think of a potential problem with requiring a 16 character passphrase? |
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| 19:56.17 | teraflop | Yoshi1: did you read the bumblebee wiki? |
| 19:57.03 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, bad arthritis? what would do the requiring? |
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| 19:58.36 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, ssh-keygen?? |
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| 20:03.48 | Yoshi1 | teraflop: months ago yeah did they add something about hdmi port support? |
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| 20:05.21 | teraflop | Yoshi1: may be your disctrete gpu uses the hdmi port |
| 20:05.58 | Yoshi1 | teraflop: yes thats the general consensus online |
| 20:06.10 | Dry_Lips | Hi, I've just installed Debian 7 and I need to install the latest version of Scribus. Their wiki haven't been updated in a while, and testing is called Wheezy, and Stable is Squeeze... Should (running Debian 7) I add testing or stable? http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Debian#Debian_testing_.28Wheezy.29: |
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| 20:06.27 | teraflop | the bumblebee wiki has an entry about that Yoshi1 |
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| 20:07.36 | Yoshi1 | teraflop: http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ? |
| 20:07.40 | hanasaki | how can a dir/subdir hierarchy or file be monitored so an app is notified on file create/delete/open/close? |
| 20:07.44 | teraflop | no Yoshi1 |
| 20:07.51 | moof2 | Dry_Lips, that's the way it was a month ago... now, jessie is testing, wheezy is stable and squeeze is oldstable |
| 20:07.57 | teraflop | mmm, let me see |
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| 20:08.24 | moof2 | add wheezy, not "stable" or "testing" |
| 20:08.49 | teraflop | Yoshi1: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup |
| 20:08.52 | moof2 | you'd be in for a possible surprise (unless you're watching) |
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| 20:09.22 | Dry_Lips | moof2, exactly, their wiki haven't been updated, but wheezy is called "testing" in the wiki... Should I add "testing"? |
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| 20:10.56 | moof2 | no, that could break your system |
| 20:11.07 | transfinite | hanasaki: try inotify-hookable (for scripting) or inotify libs/bindings for programming |
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| 20:11.53 | Dry_Lips | moof2, so even if the wiki haven't been updated, their repos have been? |
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| 20:12.58 | moof2 | dunno about that part, you'd have to ask them. it could be, and it could also be the repos were not updated... plus, if the repos were not updated, (...) |
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| 20:13.29 | Yoshi1 | i'm a little wary of xorg.conf solutions |
| 20:14.10 | Dry_Lips | moof2, unfortunately there isn't much activity in #scribus at the moment :-/ But thanks for your attention... |
| 20:14.28 | moof2 | maybe some core stuff was updated in wheezy between the last update of the thing you want and now, and you should also not install that as it could (a) not work and/or (b) affect other parts of your system |
| 20:14.54 | moof2 | maybe you can contact someone in that project by email |
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| 20:15.13 | action09 | re |
| 20:15.25 | Dry_Lips | yeah, or I could harass the few peeps hanging around in scribus-dev... moof2 :D |
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| 20:15.42 | action09 | damn disabling "fast boot" or turbo.. didn't solved anything :( |
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| 20:15.53 | moof2 | sure, any way you can get in touch |
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| 20:25.58 | KsM | oh, looks like ttf-ipafont-uigothic makes nice smooth unicode apparently |
| 20:26.01 | ompaul | https://raw.github.com/Psychtoolbox-3/Psychtoolbox-3/beta/Psychtoolbox/PsychDemos/DrawHighQualityUnicodeTextDemo.m |
| 20:26.11 | ompaul | KsM: that might be useful |
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| 20:27.03 | wjtaylor | is there a package for firefox in non-free? |
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| 20:27.50 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: no |
| 20:28.24 | wjtaylor | If I download it off the website will it interfere with iceweasel? |
| 20:28.31 | jordanm | no |
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| 20:28.47 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: why don't you want iceweasel? |
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| 20:28.59 | mumpitzel | if it's cause iceweasel is too old for you, there is mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:29.31 | wjtaylor | mumpitzel: it's not rendering pages correctly. My bank doesn't support it, so the webpage says, and I have no sound on youtube. |
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| 20:30.19 | ashka | try updating it using the version on the backports then, might help |
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| 20:32.00 | wjtaylor | what 's the difference between esr and release? |
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| 20:33.05 | ashka | I'm not sure, I think esr means extended stable release |
| 20:33.14 | ashka | might be older |
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| 20:40.03 | TorTukiTu | Hi all |
| 20:40.23 | Wizard | Hi TorTukiTu. |
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| 20:40.41 | TorTukiTu | Got a problem with my debian Wheezy and my optimus nvidia card |
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| 20:40.48 | TorTukiTu | can someone here may help me ? |
| 20:41.01 | mumpitzel | never ask to asjk |
| 20:41.03 | mumpitzel | *ask |
| 20:41.09 | TorTukiTu | mmm, ok, sorry |
| 20:41.16 | Wizard | Don't be sorry ;P |
| 20:41.44 | TorTukiTu | anyway, got an Y580 (lenovo laptop) with a geforce 660M |
| 20:41.52 | mumpitzel | yes, don't be but finally state the problem |
| 20:42.05 | TorTukiTu | I am running applications fine with optirun Appname |
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| 20:42.20 | TorTukiTu | but my external screen is not detected |
| 20:42.37 | TorTukiTu | (no kernel event) |
| 20:42.57 | TorTukiTu | so, I am absolutly lost, and I don't know where to start |
| 20:43.48 | TorTukiTu | I can pastebin you resluts of lspci and lsmod if you want more info |
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| 20:44.11 | Yoshi1 | well predictable the xorg solution didnt work :{ |
| 20:44.23 | Wizard | Yes, please. At the beginning I have to state that I'm no expert in graphics, Vesa mode is my friend :P |
| 20:44.31 | Yoshi1 | why dont dsitros use xorg anymore |
| 20:45.33 | TorTukiTu | http://pastebin.com/SVYRcvGA |
| 20:45.35 | TorTukiTu | here |
| 20:45.39 | jeep | Yoshi1, they do |
| 20:45.41 | mumpitzel | Yoshi1: they certainly do |
| 20:45.54 | TorTukiTu | I am afraid it would be a driver problem |
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| 20:46.08 | Yoshi1 | well ok i shoud say why doesnt debian build on by default any more? |
| 20:46.42 | TorTukiTu | cause no event is catched by the kernel |
| 20:46.56 | mumpitzel | Yoshi1: english please? |
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| 20:47.17 | Yoshi1 | on the install of wheezy debian didnt build an xorg.conf |
| 20:47.19 | mumpitzel | Yoshi1: debian always ships with xorg and if you install any x server you get xorg |
| 20:47.23 | TorTukiTu | Small detail, I am using bbswitch to power on the optimus card |
| 20:47.37 | TorTukiTu | Xorg is there |
| 20:47.46 | TorTukiTu | but I am afraid the problem may be deeper |
| 20:47.56 | mumpitzel | there is no xorg.conf anymore. has been deprecated for years. xorg doesn't ues a xorg.conf by default. you can have one, but none needed. it's an upstream decision, debian had nothing to do with that |
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| 20:48.13 | mumpitzel | Yoshi1: X -configure and you will have one |
| 20:48.32 | Yoshi1 | ah mumpitzel yeah i was just wondering why it got dropped. i liked it it did fox some problems in the past |
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| 20:48.51 | Yoshi1 | fix* |
| 20:49.01 | TorTukiTu | does someone here has any idea ? |
| 20:49.06 | jeep | i miss the days of hand writting a xorg.conf to make xinerama and tri head desktop work |
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| 20:49.32 | moof2 | you can still do that |
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| 20:50.02 | jeep | moof2, im stuck in laptop land now unfortunatly |
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| 20:52.29 | Wizard | I don't miss them. |
| 20:52.43 | TorTukiTu | It's like nvidia driver was not inserted in kernel =/ |
| 20:52.51 | TorTukiTu | but it seems to be |
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| 20:53.01 | Wizard | I remember things like browsing my monitor's manual to look for hsync and vsync values. *not* fun. |
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| 20:54.07 | TorTukiTu | does soneone here has any idead or knows someone who may help to solve this problem ? =/ |
| 20:54.53 | jeep | TorTukiTu, which problem ? |
| 20:55.32 | TorTukiTu | no kernel event is logged when I plus an external screen to my laptop |
| 20:55.41 | TorTukiTu | got wheezy with optimus |
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| 20:55.55 | teraflop | TorTukiTu: im using bumblebee for a long time and never had this issue, may be you have the same problem as Yoshi1 |
| 20:56.08 | TorTukiTu | mmmmmm |
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| 20:56.36 | TorTukiTu | teraflop, strange, because everything run fine with optirun |
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| 20:56.58 | TorTukiTu | but no event is risen when I plug another screen |
| 20:57.11 | TorTukiTu | and gdm3 not seems to run with an nvidia driver |
| 20:57.14 | teraflop | im using xmonad so i need to use xrandr, anyway all works good |
| 20:57.37 | Monotoko | Evenin all... I need to do an upgrade on some servers at work soon (from 6 to 7) but it appears php5-suhosin is no longer there... is there a workaround for this? |
| 20:57.48 | TorTukiTu | does your gdm3 sucessfully runnign with optirun ? |
| 20:58.06 | Yoshi1 | TorTukiTu: the issue is that linux can only currently access the integrated card and the hdmi port is hooked directly into the nvidia card |
| 20:58.07 | teraflop | i do not use this stuff TorTukiTu |
| 20:58.34 | Yoshi1 | TorTukiTu: try this site https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup |
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| 20:59.11 | Wizard | And repeat after Linus.. "NVidia, F.." |
| 20:59.50 | TorTukiTu | Thanks, Yoshi1 |
| 20:59.54 | moof2 | Foo? |
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| 20:59.59 | teraflop | Yoshi1: i have used more or less the guidelines of that wiki for running an entire desktop vdpau powered |
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| 21:02.22 | Wizard | Monotoko: Did you see upgrade guide? |
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| 21:04.30 | Monotoko | Wizard, it just tells you to purge it as far as I can see :( |
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| 21:25.15 | emj | Does mlocate always have to access every file it prints out? Even when running as root? |
| 21:26.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i keep getting a no protocol specified error from X |
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| 21:26.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | can you gusy help i reinstalled my kernel but it didnt fix it |
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| 21:27.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i also reinstalled Xorg but nada not sure what else to do |
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| 21:28.48 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: stop reinstalling as an error fix. I told you this hours ago. Debian is not windows |
| 21:28.49 | Thalheim | Eryn_1983_FL, by "reinstall Xorg" do you mean, "remove, clear all config, reinstall" or just "remove and install" |
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| 21:29.04 | mumpitzel | does your X start? |
| 21:29.53 | moof2 | these actions are the kind of thing that people learn from... give them feedback, and hold the judgement |
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| 21:30.10 | diytto | So uh… I just screwed up the network settings on my server and I'm unable to connect to it. Is there a way to start it in like a recovery mode or something with default functions? |
| 21:30.17 | mumpitzel | moof2: I gave him feedback hours ago. he ignored it |
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| 21:30.53 | mumpitzel | diytto: there are only two ways, normal start and single user mode. and single usermode generally needs intervention via keyboard |
| 21:31.05 | diytto | well i can connect a keyboard to it |
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| 21:31.12 | mumpitzel | diytto: so what access do you still have? e.g. some bootconsole access? |
| 21:31.28 | mumpitzel | then prepare a usb stick and boot from that? |
| 21:31.28 | diytto | it's a local server sitting in my room :p |
| 21:31.40 | diytto | i can hookup a monitor etc |
| 21:31.41 | emj | Isn't there a network config watch dog for linux? |
| 21:31.48 | moof2 | you should do that |
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| 21:32.08 | diytto | i just need a command prompt |
| 21:32.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | Thalheim: its spewing that error thats all it does no X |
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| 21:32.27 | mumpitzel | you will get one on your monitor/keyboard |
| 21:32.31 | ichthys | Hello all. Is anyone familiar with linux shutdown issues? when i installed Debian 7.0 i could poweroff and linux AND my machine would shutoff. Now, after installing xen, when i run poweroff, only linux shutdowns and my windows hangs at the poweroff screen. It seems like linux shutdowns but for some reason my machine does not. |
| 21:32.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | mumpitzel: i looked for error messages i see nothing |
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| 21:32.58 | emj | Eryn_1983_FL: That's X for you, lots of info but little help.. |
| 21:33.31 | mumpitzel | Eryn_1983_FL: so you run startx and get this message and nothing else? |
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| 21:34.28 | moof2 | there might be an x screen running on vt7, so startx may have to be told to use vt8 (or other free vt) |
| 21:34.40 | diytto | So you're suggesting i boot from a live cd or something? |
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| 21:34.59 | mumpitzel | diytto: if you can plug in a monitor and keyboard, then do just that and boot |
| 21:35.09 | diytto | okay sounds good thanks |
| 21:35.13 | moof2 | diytto, I'd say try to boot normally first (so you can see what happens) |
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| 21:35.35 | diytto | alright |
| 21:36.23 | moof2 | you might also try to boot again without keyboard (again to see what happens) |
| 21:36.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | mumpitzel: yes |
| 21:37.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am checking my home logs now brb |
| 21:37.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry send me a pm the screen is freaking small netbook |
| 21:37.32 | moof2 | could you explain what happened that made you suspect a network config issue? diytto |
| 21:37.39 | diytto | well i have had this problem but the debian install i have always tries to show a guy even though i have removed all guis |
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| 21:38.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | dfdfdfjdlfljdfjldfldfldf |
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| 21:39.21 | diytto | i was editing /etc/network/interfaces and after i restarted the network services i couldn't connect |
| 21:39.29 | diytto | so that's why i assume that's the problem |
| 21:39.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry out in the woods guys, lag i see no logs in my ~ do you want me to check my configs? |
| 21:40.12 | Thalheim | diytto, make sure you stop X before removing it, and then be sure to remove ALL of it. |
| 21:40.25 | diytto | I stopped X before |
| 21:40.32 | moof2 | diytto, ah, I understand now, thanks |
| 21:40.35 | diytto | yeah |
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| 21:41.03 | diytto | Thalheim: I thought I removed it all, but I could be wrong |
| 21:41.09 | Thalheim | diytto, did you run "sudo apt-get autoremove gnome* --purge" |
| 21:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | Eryn_1983_FL: What are you looking for? |
| 21:41.36 | diytto | Thalheim: no |
| 21:41.46 | moof2 | Thalheim, oh, you mean on his server... |
| 21:41.55 | jhutchins_wk | diytto: use something like update-rc.d to turn off gdm (or whatever). |
| 21:41.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont got a clue, Xorg is not my best part of linux |
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| 21:42.27 | diytto | well right now i can't even connect to it |
| 21:42.50 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. Gonna be tough to fix that unless you have local console. |
| 21:42.50 | diytto | I have a debian install cd that's it. not very helpful |
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| 21:42.52 | Lars_G | Is there any way I can make make-kpkg use the include dir on the kernel I'm compiling rather than /usr/include/linux ?? |
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| 21:43.08 | jhutchins_wk | diytto: I thought they were all hybrid live CDs now. |
| 21:43.18 | diytto | uh |
| 21:43.37 | moof2 | diytto, you're getting to the machine now tho, yes? (not over net) |
| 21:43.38 | diytto | i have the netinst |
| 21:43.43 | diytto | no |
| 21:43.48 | diytto | hold on |
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| 21:43.52 | jhutchins_wk | AH, that won't be the live one. |
| 21:44.19 | diytto | yeah it's not useful |
| 21:44.20 | moof2 | is unclear where you guys are going right now |
| 21:44.42 | diytto | moof2: i'm rebooting it give me a sec |
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| 21:44.53 | moof2 | ok |
| 21:44.57 | diytto | okay so when i boot it it just goes to a fuzzy screen |
| 21:45.00 | diytto | no prompt |
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| 21:45.15 | jhutchins_wk | diytto: If it gives you any problems on the reboot, you can try appending "single" to the boot command. |
| 21:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | diytto: Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 21:45.39 | diytto | nothing happens |
| 21:45.45 | diytto | let me try another keyboard |
| 21:46.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright X works with root |
| 21:46.07 | moof2 | what kind of connection is used for keybard? |
| 21:46.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | we got that far. |
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| 21:46.49 | diytto | i have a usb keyboard and pc/2 |
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| 21:46.52 | moof2 | Eryn_1983_FL, so this implies stuff "under" x is working |
| 21:46.57 | diytto | or whatever that weird connector is |
| 21:47.05 | moof2 | the round one |
| 21:47.10 | diytto | neither do anything on ctrl alt f1 |
| 21:47.37 | Lars_G | Where was the debian dev channel? |
| 21:47.52 | moof2 | #debian-devel |
| 21:48.02 | Lars_G | Ah this network? thanks |
| 21:48.11 | moof2 | maybe, and/or oftc |
| 21:48.18 | Lars_G | Nope, it's a private channel |
| 21:48.21 | Lars_G | yeah I though oftc |
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| 21:49.12 | diytto | yay i booted into recovery |
| 21:49.34 | moof2 | oh, great.... did you get the passwd prompt? |
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| 21:51.34 | diytto | yep |
| 21:51.42 | diytto | just reset my interface file |
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| 21:56.21 | moof2 | diytto, and that's working? |
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| 21:57.10 | diytto | not yet |
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| 21:59.30 | diytto | it seems like it's not connecting correctly |
| 21:59.37 | diytto | there's no eth0 in ifconfig |
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| 22:01.15 | moof2 | howbout ifconfig -a? |
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| 22:01.59 | mumpitzel | in single user mode the network is not brought up |
| 22:02.31 | diytto | i have a network interface of ham0 |
| 22:02.34 | moof2 | in what version of debian? it always has been for me |
| 22:02.36 | diytto | eth0 has no lan ip |
| 22:02.49 | diytto | i'm not in single user |
| 22:02.53 | moof2 | but eth0 is shown? |
| 22:03.01 | diytto | yeah |
| 22:03.05 | diytto | with -a appended |
| 22:03.20 | diytto | i wonder if ham0 is hamachi |
| 22:03.21 | moof2 | -a shows all interfaces whether up or down |
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| 22:04.13 | moof2 | see if "ifup eth0" gets you there... also, could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:05.54 | moof2 | diytto, I also want to get to what you wanted to accomplish when you were editing your /etc/network/interfaces originally |
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| 22:06.11 | diytto | oh |
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| 22:06.25 | diytto | i was just setting the machine to dhcp pan ip |
| 22:06.31 | diytto | i had it set to a static one |
| 22:06.54 | moof2 | I see |
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| 22:08.04 | moof2 | and you're still using the static IP? |
| 22:08.15 | diytto | no |
| 22:08.31 | diytto | ssh: Could not resolve hostname server.local: nodename nor servname provided, or not known |
| 22:08.37 | diytto | i keep getting that |
| 22:08.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got it peeps my /home was full up |
| 22:09.16 | moof2 | Eryn_1983_FL, congratulations... everythign working now? |
| 22:09.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup except for mosh but i need to figure that one out |
| 22:09.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ssh works though so |
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| 22:10.19 | moof2 | diytto, is it the server that's on dhcp? |
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| 22:10.50 | diytto | yeah |
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| 22:11.04 | diytto | ha got it |
| 22:11.05 | moof2 | diytto, is the server connected directly facing the internet? |
| 22:11.19 | diytto | i'm in now |
| 22:11.54 | moof2 | great... is the server being your gateway? |
| 22:12.00 | diytto | let me post a picture of what the monitor looks like, maybe you can help me fix it |
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| 22:12.10 | moof2 | ok |
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| 22:12.49 | diytto | http://d.diytto.com/fXZV |
| 22:12.58 | diytto | that's what the monitor looks like on boot |
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| 22:14.10 | riceandbeans | do packages in non-free have to meet the DFSG? |
| 22:14.36 | moof2 | I can see the pic when I enable javascriot, which then causes scrolling to take forever |
| 22:14.49 | diytto | let me get a direct link |
| 22:14.50 | diytto | hold on |
| 22:15.06 | peaceblaster | this may be a long shot, but has anyone ported Valve's "Steam" to Debian? |
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| 22:15.14 | moof2 | riceandbeans, no, and that's why nothing in non-free is actually considered part of debian |
| 22:15.23 | peaceblaster | there's an Ubuntu installer for it but it just leads to dependency hell |
| 22:15.31 | diytto | http://d1zjcuqflbd5k.cloudfront.net/files/acc_8050/fXZV?response-content-disposition=inline;%20filename=iPhone%20image%20on%202013-06-12%20at%2016%3A12%3A26.png;%20filename*=UTF-8%27%27iPhone%20image%20on%202013-06-12%20at%2016%3A12%3A26.png&Expires=1371075354&Signature=BUUzcodQokzHFDBzDa9D0dlFLbpnAXkgCD-YyOdWu1Sf1st6UifaZNJBH6HQj16FUd8CI~HIlNHQI-fr7OlZRWGG4mbBLM6JYfLzDUvsiyIc0oHu5LFqmm4i44qIAhfVgHsHy6bEBG~KpRldIS9AieAEAnYbbtoy0hLB4SlYm50_&K |
| 22:15.31 | diytto | ey-Pair-Id=APKAJTEIOJM3LSMN33SA |
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| 22:15.32 | diytto | well |
| 22:15.41 | diytto | let me dropbox it lol |
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| 22:16.17 | diytto | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6437521/iPhone%20image%20on%202013-06-12%20at%2016-12-26.png |
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| 22:16.55 | moof2 | so in the upper left you have a term window? |
| 22:17.07 | moof2 | thanks, I can see it now |
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| 22:17.50 | diytto | yeah |
| 22:17.53 | diytto | it's super small |
| 22:18.05 | diytto | i don't know how to get rid of the other fuzzy stuff |
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| 22:19.36 | moof2 | can't tell what's going on myself.... are we looking at picture-in-picture with your monitor? |
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| 22:21.51 | diytto | that's just a picture of the monitor |
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| 22:22.17 | diytto | it has the small command prompt, but there other crap is just there and it always shows up on boot |
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| 22:23.33 | diytto | it's like it tries to load a guy or somthing |
| 22:23.43 | diytto | wow why does the irc client have autocorrect |
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| 22:24.09 | moof2 | understood... hmm. I wonder if your monitor naturally shows the text stuff in the upper left, and in the rest is shown something it's trying to read from anohter input on the monitor? |
| 22:24.59 | wjtaylor | I'm looking to install the package that contains the file lib.so.6. How do I find it? |
| 22:25.05 | moof2 | or if your monitor is doing picture-in-picture according to the monitor settings |
| 22:25.16 | diytto | ummm |
| 22:25.22 | diytto | what is picture in picture |
| 22:25.34 | moof2 | wjtaylor, you mean ld.so? |
| 22:26.23 | moof2 | diytto, where you see one input or channel in a small area in the corner, and the rest has another input or channel |
| 22:26.37 | diytto | let me hook up different vga cables |
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| 22:26.54 | wjtaylor | moof: I don't understand your response. A script can't find a file called lib.so.6 |
| 22:27.21 | wjtaylor | specifically /lib/686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 22:27.21 | moof2 | also you could look at the settings in your monitor |
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| 22:27.50 | moof2 | , file lib/686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 22:27.56 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:28.38 | moof2 | wjtaylor, hmm. which os and version are you running? |
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| 22:31.38 | diytto | moof2: how could i find a picture in picture setting |
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| 22:31.47 | diytto | i'm thinking it's not but i have no idea |
| 22:32.01 | moof2 | you could very well be right |
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| 22:32.35 | moof2 | I made that guess because of what I saw, and it matched a pattern |
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| 22:33.35 | moof2 | tellyawhat... is there a way you could try a different monitor? (maybe it's not that important too) |
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| 22:33.50 | moof2 | the important thing is your networking seems to be up |
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| 22:34.06 | diytto | yeah networking is good |
| 22:34.17 | diytto | i don't have another monitor unfortunately |
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| 22:34.30 | diytto | the same thing happened when it had a gui interface running |
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| 22:34.47 | moof2 | ok, since it usually operates headless, probably not important |
| 22:34.47 | diytto | i disbaled the gui to hopefully fix it and just give me a prompt which is all i need |
| 22:35.29 | diytto | well it's only at my house for now, it's going to be moved to my friend's house and he doesn't use a unix machine |
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| 22:35.40 | diytto | it would be easier for him to just use the on screen prompt |
| 22:36.09 | moof2 | is he going to need that monityr you're using now? |
| 22:36.22 | diytto | no |
| 22:36.31 | moof2 | ok |
| 22:36.46 | diytto | should i just see if it's still weird on his when it's hooked up there? |
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| 22:37.37 | moof2 | so he could use putty to get in... and speaking of networking, I'd still like to see your interfaces file... could you try this: apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 22:37.58 | diytto | yeah |
| 22:38.22 | moof2 | it'll install a largish handful of perl modules, each of which are very small |
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| 22:38.26 | anew | does saving to sites-available automatically write to sites-enabled? |
| 22:39.27 | diytto | done |
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| 22:39.57 | moof2 | diytto, ok, great :) now do: cat /etc/network/interfaces | nopaste |
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| 22:40.18 | anew | anyone? |
| 22:40.20 | anew | does saving to sites-available automatically write to sites-enabled? |
| 22:40.20 | diytto | http://pastie.org/8037505 |
| 22:40.28 | diytto | wow that's a cool little tool |
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| 22:42.03 | moof2 | yeah, except I can't get to pastie.org :/ |
| 22:42.37 | moof2 | no replies when I ping it |
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| 22:46.31 | moof2 | diytto, I do like it... and, I don't know why I'm not able to contact the site... could you try: ping -c 4 pastie.org |
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| 22:47.01 | diytto | try http://mac.diytto.com/Misc/interfaces.txt |
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| 22:47.24 | diytto | pastie works for me |
| 22:47.36 | ZorroT | i'm in the middle of installing debian 7, and the screen blanker pops up. what's the password for the debian live user? |
| 22:47.41 | bernat | I'm having a problem with IOMMU in 990XA motherboard, any directions for help? |
| 22:47.45 | moof2 | so you got ping replies from pastie? |
| 22:48.32 | diytto | yeah |
| 22:48.51 | moof2 | must be some widespread network issue... |
| 22:49.11 | moof2 | so, I didn't get the file on your server either... says not found |
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| 22:49.46 | diytto | http://mac.diytto.com/~diytto/Misc/interfaces.txt |
| 22:49.50 | diytto | heh |
| 22:49.52 | diytto | that should work |
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| 22:50.14 | moof2 | that did work |
| 22:50.36 | diytto | :) |
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| 22:51.10 | moof2 | looks good: what I wanted to make sure of, is wheter booting debian will also put the net up, and it looks like yes |
| 22:51.37 | diytto | moof2: what would you suggest i use for a webserver on my debian server |
| 22:52.18 | moof2 | I don't know :) I have my own opinion, and it varies widely with any kind of lamp |
| 22:52.39 | moof2 | I do use linux, so that's the L |
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| 22:53.08 | diytto | do you use lighttpd? |
| 22:53.19 | moof2 | but no perl or php or mysql... I use aolserver, tcl, openacs and postgresql |
| 22:53.39 | moof2 | no, but I haven't heard here of problems |
| 22:53.53 | diytto | i don't know what any of that is :p |
| 22:53.59 | moof2 | do you just want to serve static content? |
| 22:54.06 | diytto | yeah |
| 22:54.09 | diytto | like a file server |
| 22:54.18 | diytto | maybe an html file or two |
| 22:55.04 | moof2 | diytto, berkleemusic.com uses it... if you just want static content, anything will do |
| 22:55.35 | moof2 | what I'm using is probably nuke-to-kill-ant for doing that |
| 22:55.50 | diytto | probably so :p |
| 22:56.10 | diytto | i use apache2 on my mac, but it comes with that installed so it's easy |
| 22:56.11 | moof2 | I'm writing apps for it |
| 22:56.18 | diytto | that's the server you accessed |
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| 22:56.25 | moof2 | installing apache is easy |
| 22:56.38 | diytto | i've set it up before |
| 22:56.42 | moof2 | if you're used to that, it's fine for serving static content |
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| 22:56.48 | diytto | it has too many configs though |
| 22:57.09 | alteregoa | i am looking for a tool to show network traffic display in megabit or something on terminal for each NIC |
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| 22:58.00 | moof2 | once you get to doing a dynamic site, that's when you need to ask the questions about what you prefer and what's most effective |
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| 22:58.22 | ZorroT | answer is "live" thanks |
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| 22:59.38 | moof2 | the answer is going to be your preference as to what scripting language you want to use, what database, what if any framework (and notice already that now we're talking big big big) |
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| 23:01.40 | moof2 | sambagirl, how was carnival |
| 23:01.53 | jhutchins_wk | alteregoa: Most of the GUI monitoring tools will do that. |
| 23:02.12 | alteregoa | i use a terminal |
| 23:02.35 | jhutchins_wk | alteregoa: so you're looking for a numeric reading? |
| 23:02.43 | moof2 | so you want a curses-based monitor? |
| 23:02.44 | alteregoa | yeah like vnstat |
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| 23:05.23 | hays | is there a channel for the security team |
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| 23:06.04 | hays | I'd really like to see this patch applied: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-2070 |
| 23:06.35 | moof2 | you could appl;y that patch and build a package you would install on your system |
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| 23:08.53 | moof2 | hays, you might find "/msg alis help" useful for searching for channels by their name and by their topic |
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| 23:11.41 | hays | moof2: I could, but this production box isn't really set up for compiling and I don't have another suitable target environment without pretty significant effort |
| 23:11.52 | hays | i'll check out alis. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 23:12.23 | moof2 | welcome :) |
| 23:13.35 | hays | hmm that bot seems broken or im not using it right |
| 23:14.22 | moof2 | oh, hmm. I think the bot belongs to someone in #freenode |
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| 23:16.27 | moof2 | when I look at alis help, it mentions list, the main command, which lists channels matching given "parameters" and does not talk about the parameters... I'll try help on list |
| 23:16.44 | hays | i tried to list debian* and got no results |
| 23:16.50 | hays | maybe I need a # |
| 23:17.30 | moof2 | try *debian* |
| 23:18.30 | moof2 | I got results for *debizn* |
| 23:18.44 | hays | ahh yes I was forgetting the # |
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| 23:22.04 | diytto | moof2: does debian come with any firewall that could be activated on install? |
| 23:23.41 | moof2 | I think there are firewall front ends... I don't remember their names, I think they all use iptables |
| 23:23.54 | diytto | oh alright |
| 23:24.13 | Vicissitude | gufw is what I use |
| 23:24.15 | diytto | i'm wondering because i'm trying to run a minecraft server on this server and novody is able to connect to me |
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| 23:24.58 | moof2 | you prbably have to forward ports from your actual gateway |
| 23:25.31 | diytto | i have the ports forwarded |
| 23:25.43 | diytto | and the server is in the dmz |
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| 23:26.18 | moof2 | diytto, that static ip is in the dmz? |
| 23:26.23 | diytto | yeah |
| 23:26.26 | anew | http://apaste.info/fMvi anyone have any idea what's wrong with this rewrite ? |
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| 23:29.11 | Noturno99 | hey guys, I cannot auto mount partitions anymore in my system, is it related to polkit? |
| 23:29.27 | Noturno99 | I can still mount them using mount command, though |
| 23:29.57 | Noturno99 | I'm using sid |
| 23:30.35 | moof2 | what's preventing you? |
| 23:31.13 | Noturno99 | it says I have no permission |
| 23:31.41 | moof2 | hmm. is it that you don't have permission on the device, or the mount point./ |
| 23:31.45 | moof2 | ? |
| 23:31.59 | moof2 | or on the mount command |
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| 23:32.15 | Noturno99 | It should prompt an option asking for adm password |
| 23:32.19 | Noturno99 | but it doesn't |
| 23:32.44 | Noturno99 | when you try opening a partition and prompt that option, you know? |
| 23:32.57 | moof2 | what exactly do you do that you expect that to happen? |
| 23:33.01 | Noturno99 | i saw that I have udisks and udisks2 on my system |
| 23:33.31 | Noturno99 | I wanna click in my partition here and the system prompts an option for adm password to mount it |
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| 23:33.54 | Noturno99 | so I dont need to mount it typing mount command |
| 23:34.27 | moof2 | the command line stuff for that, is the mount command (as you know) and /etc/fstab |
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| 23:35.36 | Noturno99 | yes. but you know this functionality I'm talking about, right? |
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| 23:36.05 | Noturno99 | when you open your file manager and click in some partition to mount it and then a prompt appears asking for permission... |
| 23:36.18 | vadimkolchev | hi all |
| 23:36.25 | Noturno99 | so, it's not working anymore |
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| 23:36.41 | Noturno99 | just wondering if it's related to polkit package on sid |
| 23:36.51 | Noturno99 | and how I can fix it |
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| 23:38.11 | moof2 | you're talking about clicking... that's gui... I believe there are several gui things that deal with partitions and mounting, and truthfully I'm only familiar with mount and fstab |
| 23:38.46 | Noturno99 | okay |
| 23:38.53 | moof2 | whether it's related to polkit, is that something you can check by listing what's been done in polkit? |
| 23:39.07 | Noturno99 | yes, probably... |
| 23:39.17 | Noturno99 | thanks, moof2 |
| 23:39.26 | moof2 | point I'm trying to make, is it could be, and you'd have to find out |
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| 23:47.56 | bit0 | why there's no kernel-3.x x>2 in testing? thanks in advance |
| 23:49.20 | themill | bit0: because newer kernels do not successfully compile on some architectures |
| 23:49.43 | themill | https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linux&suite=sid |
| 23:49.59 | bit0 | themill, thanks :) |
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| 23:52.29 | ichthys | does anyone have any suggestions for shutdown problems? My physical machine just sits at the shutdown screen once i poweroff linux |
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| 23:56.31 | bit0 | ichthys, I have similar problem, it was an ACPI issue, IMHO |
| 23:56.56 | ichthys | bit0, that is what I have heard as well. |
| 23:57.11 | ichthys | bit0, when i had debian 6, I did not have this problem |
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| 23:57.34 | ichthys | not when i did a fresh install to debian 7 it still worked fine. |
| 23:57.53 | ichthys | but when i install xen and started using my machine as my xen hypervisor, that is when it started happening |
| 23:57.57 | bit0 | ichthys, I suggest you to look for boot -grup options |
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| 23:58.19 | ichthys | and i reinstalled and started from scrath, and i still had the same problem, but it didnt happen until i installed xen |
| 23:59.32 | ichthys | bit0, it would be a shutdown issue, correct? or would it just be a general APCI/grub issue . |
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