| 00:00.01 | bit0 | sorry, I'm only a desktop user. I think so, in my experience |
| 00:00.32 | ichthys | Thank you for your replies, good sir. |
| 00:01.08 | bit0 | you're welcome :) |
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| 00:05.54 | alteregoa | is it possible to use iptables to reroute a port to another gateway? |
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| 00:07.36 | alteregoa | e.g route port 80 to 192.168.1.1 instead of default 0.1? |
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| 00:13.22 | mythril | how do I review a log of initscripts? |
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| 00:20.41 | diytto | moof2: not sure what the problem is... |
| 00:20.53 | diytto | the webserver on my laptop if ully connectable |
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| 00:25.18 | mns | is there some other tool besides htop that can tell me what is putting a load on my system ? the load has been between 4 and 5 for over 4 hours and htop says that htop is the process eating up most CPU at 5% ... |
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| 00:28.58 | themill | mns: "load" meaning "load average"? That could easily be io-wait not actual cpu usage |
| 00:29.20 | themill | !load average |
| 00:29.20 | dpkg | i heard load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses. |
| 00:30.17 | r3m | ,v url2jpeg |
| 00:30.18 | judd | No package named 'url2jpeg' was found in i386. |
| 00:31.42 | mns | themill: but there doesn't seem to be any i/o going on .. I don't hear anything from the disks .. because they do make such lovely music when being written to .. :) |
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| 00:32.51 | themill | mns: io-wait isn't io actually happening... it's processes waiting for io. Hung nfs-mounts are a great way of doing that, for instance. Do you have any processes in a "D" state? |
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| 00:33.14 | mns | themill: let me check |
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| 00:33.29 | mns | any easy eay to find those processes ? |
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| 00:34.50 | mns | themill: only one as far as I can see .. [usb-storage] |
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| 00:38.28 | paxcoder | what's the command to show available package versions? |
| 00:38.51 | dondelelcaro | paxcoder: apt-cache policy foopkg; will do that |
| 00:39.04 | themill | mns: that would be enough. Were you copying something to/from a usb stick? |
| 00:39.27 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 00:40.38 | mns | themill: no wasn't doing that .. but one of the external drives seems to be offline for some reason ... looking at it now .. |
| 00:43.05 | paxcoder | Can you tell why 5.5 package is being ignored? http://paste.debian.net/plain/10051 |
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| 00:43.48 | themill | paxcoder: ignored in what way? (can you pastebin the output of your apt run) |
| 00:44.03 | dvs | paxcoder: priority of 1000? |
| 00:45.17 | dvs | =-090 |
| 00:45.17 | dvs | [po |
| 00:45.23 | dvs | ops |
| 00:45.33 | paxcoder | dvs, larger the number, higher priority |
| 00:45.41 | paxcoder | themill, will do |
| 00:46.26 | paxcoder | themill, http://paste.debian.net/plain/10053 |
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| 00:50.21 | themill | paxcoder: try "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" You may well find that this is not possible at all as you are in the middle of the php and apache transitions |
| 00:51.34 | paxcoder | themill, tried but error persisted |
| 00:52.38 | paxcoder | themill, all started when I tried to aptitude dist-upgrade. It said it'd remove some things, but not php. It said it'd remove apache, but it seemed to me to be just a migration to a later version. Then that failed, and now php is somehow broken too. |
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| 00:53.58 | mns | paxcoder: what release are you on ? |
| 00:54.30 | paxcoder | mns, unstable |
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| 00:55.32 | mns | oh |
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| 01:04.53 | paxcoder | So am I to conclude that this is acceptable for unstable: To update packages that depend on others which are not updated? |
| 01:05.07 | moof2 | would an upgrade affect anything in /home? |
| 01:05.48 | mns | paxcoder: yes, that's the whole point of unstable .. its unstable :) |
| 01:05.51 | paxcoder | moof2, the config files which reside in hidden directories therein. |
| 01:06.54 | moof2 | and an upgrade would cause these files to be altered? main thing I'm worried about is I have limited storage in /home right now, but plenty in /usr, /var, / |
| 01:07.11 | themill | moof2: packages are never going to touch things in /home |
| 01:07.39 | moof2 | that;s what I thought (and what I tell people)... hearing you say it makes me relax |
| 01:07.44 | mns | unless you have symlinks from /usr /var or such that point to /home .. .bu |
| 01:07.48 | paxcoder | themill, how are config files updated then? |
| 01:07.59 | moof2 | no, I was gonna say, no such symlinks |
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| 01:08.26 | mns | paxcoder: only config files in /etc are updated .. not the ones in your home directory ... those are up to you .. |
| 01:08.28 | themill | paxcoder: that's the user's responsibility (or better, it's the responsibility of the program to be backwards compatible) |
| 01:10.12 | paxcoder | themill, But if they're not, I reckon apps could still update them when being restarted. |
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| 01:11.05 | themill | sure. But that's not the package changing things in /home. That's you running a program that then changes things in /home. |
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| 01:11.40 | moof2 | which would be after the actual upgrade |
| 01:11.41 | moof2 | \? |
| 01:11.57 | themill | well it can't be before it |
| 01:12.05 | paxcoder | themill, but packages instruct them to be restarted |
| 01:12.09 | moof2 | and not allowed to during |
| 01:12.11 | paxcoder | moof2, i think it may be during |
| 01:12.13 | themill | paxcoder: no |
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| 01:13.12 | moof2 | paxcoder, in order to make that happen, each service would have to iterate over each user |
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| 01:14.29 | paxcoder | themill, moof2, I guess you might be right. Only system-wide things get restarted then (daemons), and their config files are in /etc/. |
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| 01:15.34 | moof2 | I think (I hope!) the tack taken by programs with config files, is that the upgrade happens, then the users who want to would run one such program, which would then say "I'm about to upgrade your config file, as it's old and I'm new" |
| 01:17.07 | dvs | moof2: definitely. The install will stop dead with most config changes. |
| 01:17.09 | moof2 | and then maybe given a coupla choices about how, and whether to backup the original, stuff like that |
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| 01:17.51 | paxcoder | dvs, he's now talking about user apps, I think |
| 01:18.02 | dvs | oh |
| 01:18.03 | paxcoder | I wouldn't count on them being so considerate |
| 01:18.27 | moof2 | for example iceweasel would do something like that |
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| 01:20.31 | mns | moof2: iceweasel/firefox doesn't go about changing configs too much in my experience .. |
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| 01:21.07 | Lucho_ | espaƱol ? |
| 01:21.13 | dvs | !es |
| 01:21.14 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 01:21.24 | Lucho_ | thanks ! |
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| 01:22.14 | paxcoder | <tekoholic> paxcoder: Apologies, I'm not sure what you mean... |
| 01:22.15 | paxcoder | <paxcoder> tekoholic, sorry, wrong channel. |
| 01:22.19 | paxcoder | darnit |
| 01:22.26 | paxcoder | so basically, I can hopefully continue programming in a few days, eh? XD |
| 01:22.32 | paxcoder | that ^ |
| 01:22.57 | moof2 | you can continue when you want to :) what's holding you up? |
| 01:23.26 | paxcoder | moof2, I'm missing a few php modules, and the server |
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| 01:24.05 | paxcoder | I don't understand why aptitude didn't see this coming. |
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| 01:24.13 | mns | few days or weeks .. depends on when the missing pacakges get done .. |
| 01:24.25 | mns | did you try doing a safe-upgrade rather than a dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:24.37 | paxcoder | mns, the what now? I am all ears. |
| 01:24.53 | mns | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:25.10 | mns | surely you know of that, yes ? |
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| 01:25.33 | paxcoder | mns, if i did i forgot |
| 01:25.42 | mns | paxcoder: why are you using unstable anyway ? |
| 01:26.34 | paxcoder | mns, This is my primary desktop, and I settle for nothing less than Debian. |
| 01:27.07 | mns | paxcoder: that's good but why Debian/unstable ? why not Debian/stable ? or even Debian/testing ? |
| 01:28.21 | paxcoder | mns, those packages are too old for me. For example, I'm trying to keep up with Chrome's implementation of the HTML5 defacto standard |
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| 01:28.35 | paxcoder | mns, and I don't want to compile. |
| 01:29.04 | phlux | I use Gentoo locally to keep my packages more up-to-date, but if you don't want to compile, Arch is a viable option |
| 01:29.16 | paxcoder | mns, I can deal with any other problems that may arise, and you even seem to have managed to solve this one for me. |
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| 01:29.49 | paxcoder | phlux, Nah, I like my Debian full-blooded (was on Sidux very shortly). |
| 01:29.54 | mns | paxcoder: you could always just set up things in /etc/apt/ so that you can pull Chrome from unstable but everything else from testing .. |
| 01:30.21 | moof2 | it may or may not be blooded... it will be bleeding... |
| 01:30.22 | phlux | 'full-blooded'? |
| 01:30.30 | paxcoder | mns, then certain individuals call my system a frankenstein system and refuse help. |
| 01:30.39 | phlux | Gentoo and Arch have nothing to do with Debian. They're not like Ubuntu or Mint. |
| 01:30.42 | mns | I've tried Arch .. its good, but I'm too fond of Debian/testing .. :) |
| 01:30.59 | paxcoder | mns, besides, stuff is just old there. |
| 01:31.41 | paxcoder | I've been using sid for years now. I better remember that aptitude has safe-upgrade XD |
| 01:32.01 | mns | paxcoder: to each their own I guess. I use Debian/testing .. have been for years .. and no issues. at one point for a few packages .. I was pulling them from unstable and experimental .. otherwise .. everything was from testing. has worked just fine for me. |
| 01:32.17 | mns | lol aptitude certainly does have safe-upgrade |
| 01:32.43 | mns | you may want to try out what packages it upgrade with safe-upgrade, full-upgrade, dist-upgrade .... and compare .. |
| 01:32.56 | mns | just to give you an idea of the differences between them |
| 01:33.09 | paxcoder | mns, I used to do that years ago. My browsers were crashing. Not sure if it was the combo, or just that things got better overall. |
| 01:33.38 | paxcoder | *combo = combination of packages from various repos |
| 01:33.54 | paxcoder | mns, thanks |
| 01:35.08 | mns | since you're doing browser stuff I don't know .. mine was with non-browser related stuff .. can't remember what it was though lol |
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| 01:39.15 | moof2 | paxcoder, it's just that the multiple sources thing is really hard to support |
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| 01:40.02 | paxcoder | moof2, that's ok, i'm happy with sid, and after these packages get unbroken, I'll be even happier with mns' suggestion |
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| 01:41.34 | ImaLamer | my daemon.log is filling with msgs from NetworkManager |
| 01:42.11 | ImaLamer | repeated "Rejected send message" warnings |
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| 01:42.44 | Zelda | hi |
| 01:43.01 | Zelda | i have a problem |
| 01:43.07 | Zelda | in my gnome-terminal |
| 01:43.13 | Zelda | all of a sudden for some reason |
| 01:43.24 | Zelda | the very top line is always blank/invisible |
| 01:43.38 | Zelda | but that only seems to occur for larger size terminals |
| 01:44.29 | Zelda | anyone know what's wrong? |
| 01:44.42 | ImaLamer | "org.freedesktop.ModemManager" seems to be the issue, can i remove this application? |
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| 01:45.18 | mns | I keep seeing the following errors /var/log/messages .... http://paste.debian.net/10057/ ... is the drive dying ? :( |
| 01:45.26 | jeep | ImaLamer: my prefer using wicd instead of network manager |
| 01:45.57 | ImaLamer | i have wicd installed and am using it to hold my static IP |
| 01:46.26 | ImaLamer | for whatever reason every other way to set my IP caused some issue with my router which made me try wicd for s&g's |
| 01:46.27 | jeep | ImaLamer: you need to disable/uninstall network manager |
| 01:46.36 | mns | ImaLamer: same as jeep .. I use wicd ... yes it only lets me do one interface at a time .. but it works and I have not had problems with it ever. |
| 01:46.37 | jeep | wicd and it dont play nice |
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| 01:47.14 | ImaLamer | i could have swore this wasn't on here unless i got it with wheezy |
| 01:47.26 | jeep | mns: what kind of drive is that ? |
| 01:47.43 | mns | its a LaCiE .. USB external drive .. |
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| 01:48.55 | jeep | mns: what file system is it ? |
| 01:49.12 | ImaLamer | can i make logrotate move a log file to another disk? |
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| 01:49.50 | jeep | ImaLamer: im gonna say yes however i never tried that |
| 01:49.58 | mns | jeep .. ext2 |
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| 01:50.20 | ImaLamer | i left the machine up and now my logs ate all the space with this constant error |
| 01:50.32 | ImaLamer | i wasn't really done configuring it and i've been lazy |
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| 01:51.02 | Matip | Hello |
| 01:51.04 | moof2 | my log ate my homework!!!! |
| 01:51.07 | Matip | what do you use to record videos on linux? |
| 01:51.25 | Zelda | get a software? |
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| 01:51.49 | Skymont | is iceowl still supported by Debian? |
| 01:51.55 | elkng | how to find out how many files in directory ? |
| 01:51.58 | Zelda | anyone help me? |
| 01:52.00 | elkng | ls -R | wc -l ? |
| 01:52.07 | mns | jeep: http://paste.debian.net/10058/ updated with the disk information |
| 01:52.10 | elkng | Zelda: what was the question ? |
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| 01:52.40 | elkng | is there other way than "ls -R" ? that command generate many useless information in addition to files name itself |
| 01:52.43 | Zelda | ls -l | grep ^- | wc -l |
| 01:52.51 | themill | Skymont: iceowl isn't in wheezy or jessie; /msg dpkg iceowl |
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| 01:53.21 | themill | elkng: specifically files only? |
| 01:53.24 | Zelda | 21:44 < Zelda> i have a problem |
| 01:53.24 | Zelda | 21:44 < Zelda> in my gnome-terminal |
| 01:53.24 | Zelda | 21:44 < Zelda> all of a sudden for some reason |
| 01:53.24 | Zelda | 21:44 < Zelda> the very top line is always blank/invisible |
| 01:53.24 | Zelda | 21:45 < Zelda> but that only seems to occur for larger size terminals |
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| 01:53.46 | Zelda | thats the problem elkng |
| 01:53.57 | elkng | Zelda: I use mrxvt |
| 01:53.57 | jeep | mns: i cant find much on that is it possible for you to change it to ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 01:54.00 | themill | Zelda: ask you question concisely and in one line and you're much more likely to get answers |
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| 01:54.19 | Zelda | themill, okay |
| 01:54.21 | elkng | Zelda: you mean "ls -lR" not "ls -l" ? |
| 01:54.41 | elkng | themill: just number of files in directory and in all its subdirectories |
| 01:54.43 | mns | Skymont: only thing in wheezy and jessie is iceowl-extension ... which is an extension for thunderbird/icedove ... the standalone application is only in squeeze and sid ... |
| 01:54.47 | deadmund | I'm trying to set up a proxy server (squid) I've set the http_port to 8081 and I set http_access allow all right before http_access deny all am I doing this right? nmap -p 8081 localhost lists it as icecap (strange) and says it's closed |
| 01:55.09 | themill | elkng: should the directories themselves be counted in that number? |
| 01:55.10 | mns | jeep: maybe once I finish the fsck on it .. which is going to take ages since its doing it so slowly because of hte errors .. |
| 01:55.19 | Zelda | In gnome-terminal, all of a sudden for some reason, the very top line is always blank/invisible (I can't see the output there) but that only seems to occur for larger size terminals |
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| 01:56.21 | elkng | themill: only files, but I would accept both version just in case |
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| 01:56.58 | themill | elkng: "find -type f | wc -l" (as long as you can promise that no filenames contain newlines) |
| 01:57.07 | memleak | hello! do i apply patches within a debian source tarball? |
| 01:57.29 | elkng | themill: it will search in current dirrectory bu default ? |
| 01:57.40 | elkng | or it should be: "find . -type f | wc -l" ? |
| 01:57.47 | themill | cwd is the default |
| 01:58.06 | elkng | thanks |
| 01:58.17 | mmnicolas | deadmund: it just assumes your running icecap because you're running nmap and its probably closed because its not listening in the right interface or check your acls net_allow something IIRC |
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| 01:58.52 | mmnicolas | hold on I still have a squid running somewhere |
| 01:59.03 | memleak | i downloaded linux_3.2.41.orig.tar.xz and linux_3.2.41-2.debian.tar.xz and i want to apply the patches from debian/patches/features to the source |
| 01:59.19 | deadmund | mmnicolas: got it working, I had http_access allow all right above http_access deny all it didn't like that. I removed http_access deny all entirely and it works now. thanks |
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| 01:59.29 | elkng | Zelda: your version "ls -lR | grep ^- | wc -l" gets 15361 and themill's version "find -type f | wc -l" gets 15477 |
| 01:59.30 | memleak | but only the ones used in the official debian kernel for PREEMPT_RT |
| 02:00.06 | mmnicolas | deadmund: acl localnet src [X.X.X.X/X] |
| 02:00.54 | themill | elkng: that grep doesn't look right, particularly if you have things other than files or directories in there (like sockets, devices, symlinks) |
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| 02:01.06 | ImaLamer | i moved some log files out of /var and don't have the free space - did they not really move? |
| 02:01.09 | themill | elkng: also, parsing the output of "ls" is a mug's game. /msg dpkg parsing ls |
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| 02:02.08 | andre_pl | i recently booted to a frowny face telling me something went wrong... how am I to debug this? |
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| 02:02.19 | themill | elkng: that ls will also miss .foo and .foo/bar |
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| 02:03.05 | Zelda | elkng: try this: ls -1p | grep -vc "/$" |
| 02:03.13 | Zelda | that gives ust files |
| 02:03.15 | Zelda | just* |
| 02:03.22 | themill | eww |
| 02:03.37 | elkng | Zelda: it gave only 9 |
| 02:04.11 | themill | really... I struggle to find any time when "ls ... | grep ..." is a good thing to do. |
| 02:04.33 | Zelda | elkng: hmmm, do you have lots of folders? |
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| 02:04.42 | Zelda | or like actual files? |
| 02:04.52 | moof2 | how else do you get filenames to stdout? |
| 02:05.00 | moof2 | glob? |
| 02:05.17 | paxcoder | themill, the rule of thumb in #bash is not to use ls in scripts |
| 02:05.23 | themill | paxcoder: I know |
| 02:05.31 | themill | !parsing ls |
| 02:05.32 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 02:05.55 | elkng | Zekah: those are source code of VirtualBox-4.2.10 |
| 02:06.03 | themill | paxcoder: ^^ I think I stole most of that from greybot |
| 02:06.07 | elkng | there are directories in it |
| 02:06.16 | themill | moof2: seriously... how long have you been in #debian and you've never seen us have a discussion about parsing ls before/ |
| 02:06.18 | themill | ? |
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| 02:07.07 | moof2 | that question is the same as who has authority to say what x can do on x's box |
| 02:07.18 | paxcoder | for f in *; do echo $f; done |
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| 02:07.50 | paxcoder | you can make that conditional if [[ -f "$f" ]] |
| 02:07.51 | moof2 | yes, and that's going to be slow :) |
| 02:08.08 | memleak | how do you get the kernel source for debian's PREEMPT_RT kernel ? |
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| 02:09.00 | memleak | the kernel source i untarred isn't patched with RT support |
| 02:09.03 | ImaLamer | apt-get source linux-image(for RT) |
| 02:09.10 | paxcoder | moof2, if you're trying to get numbers of files in nested directories, use find |
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| 02:09.18 | ImaLamer | not image! not at all even |
| 02:09.25 | memleak | that just downloads http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.41.orig.tar.xz |
| 02:09.41 | paxcoder | moof2, i was away, so if i'm missing some key info, my bad |
| 02:09.54 | themill | paxcoder: you're not missing anything here |
| 02:10.01 | memleak | i untar it and it isnt a full preempt_rt kernel |
| 02:10.44 | moof2 | paxcoder, yes, and find is going to be faster... what's behind for i in *? what is the * fed to? |
| 02:10.59 | paxcoder | themill, thanks |
| 02:11.11 | paxcoder | moof2, bash expands that |
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| 02:11.28 | memleak | ImaLamer: you seem to know what you're talking about, is there a way I can fetch the tarball of the PREEMPT_RT debian kernel? |
| 02:11.33 | themill | moof2: do you have a concrete question here? or is this generic "why is trying to parse the output of ls(1) bad"? |
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| 02:12.05 | memleak | im actually on gentoo and the debian kernel source has what i need for RT_PREEMPT but i just don't know how to get it. |
| 02:12.16 | memleak | don't worry, once i have the source i won't ask for support :P |
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| 02:13.01 | memleak | the debian kernel just has some code in it that fixes the pagefaults i'm getting. |
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| 02:13.13 | ImaLamer | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/linux-latest |
| 02:13.44 | themill | memleak: the debian source package recompiles the kernel several times in different configurations. That .orig.tar.xz is going to have different sets of patches applied to it and different compilation options for each different flavour compiled. |
| 02:14.01 | moof2 | themill, I think I'm reacting to someone claiming that a tool author (such as cat or grep) would get to say "my tool can't be used for y purpose" |
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| 02:15.22 | memleak | themill: so I need linux-latest_46.tar.gz ? |
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| 02:15.37 | memleak | seems awfully small.. |
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| 02:15.40 | themill | moof2: that's not what anyone has said. I have stated that the output of ls(1) was not *designed* to be parsed and that you can always get the same information in a much more reliable fashion from tools that were designed with consumption of their output in mind (or even directly acting on predicates like find is) |
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| 02:16.47 | themill | or what dpkg said. |
| 02:16.50 | moof2 | so you're kinda saying "ls isn't up to "the rest of unix" in terms of "tool should do one thing and do it well"" |
| 02:16.59 | nevyn | like X |
| 02:17.24 | themill | moof2: ls does one thing and does it well. It displays a directory listing for the user to view. |
| 02:17.57 | moof2 | well it sends such output to stdout |
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| 02:18.03 | memleak | themill: is there a way to somehow.. build the official source tree debian uses, using a mix of the orig.tar.xz and linux_3.2.41-2.debian.tar.xz files? |
| 02:18.11 | themill | well it's harder to view the output if it's not on stdout. |
| 02:18.29 | nevyn | memleak: if you're on gentoo why are you asking here? |
| 02:18.36 | nevyn | memleak: gentoo isn't debian |
| 02:18.41 | themill | memleak: the debian packages do that via debian/rules but you don't want to do that. |
| 02:18.51 | memleak | nevyn: i want the RT_PREEMPT kernel source from debian, that' all. |
| 02:19.08 | nevyn | why the debian one? why not just RT_preempt from git or ftp.k.o? |
| 02:19.13 | moof2 | memleak, there are ways of building packages from their debianized sources |
| 02:19.29 | memleak | because debian has exclusive fixes for pagefaults for their RT_PREEMPT kernel |
| 02:19.39 | andre_pl | has anyone else had gnome3 barf recently? even creating a brand new user he can't log in. just a stupid frowny face with zero useful info |
| 02:19.44 | nevyn | we do? |
| 02:19.49 | memleak | yep! |
| 02:19.51 | nevyn | that arn't upstream? |
| 02:19.55 | memleak | correct! |
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| 02:20.19 | nevyn | so kernel from kernel.org then rt patches then the patches out of the debian package. |
| 02:20.27 | nevyn | memleak: do that ^^ |
| 02:20.32 | nevyn | then build as per usual. |
| 02:20.44 | memleak | too many patches wouldn't apply. |
| 02:21.13 | moof2 | many times. the .tar.gz that comes with the package source is the upstream, and there is a .diff that changes the upstream to the debian version |
| 02:21.14 | nevyn | you got the rt that matched the debian version right? |
| 02:21.31 | memleak | i rather just have the entire official tree with every patch used in the upstream /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 bzImage |
| 02:21.32 | nevyn | moof2: kernels use one of the debian quilty things I think |
| 02:21.46 | moof2 | sometimes, the tarball is altered from upstream |
| 02:21.59 | nevyn | moof2: isn't that a violation of policy? |
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| 02:22.18 | nevyn | unless it's because of licencing problems with parts of the orig tarball or something? |
| 02:22.19 | memleak | nevyn: no because debian complies with GPL |
| 02:22.30 | themill | nevyn: no. but the version of the tarball would normally include "ds" or "dfsg" to note tat |
| 02:22.33 | moof2 | no, in that case there wouldn't be a diff (unless policy has changed to not allow native packages) |
| 02:23.19 | memleak | maybe i should just install debian in a virtual machine to get the kernel source if i cant do it with wget and patch (or a fancy bash script somewhere) |
| 02:23.49 | nevyn | memleak: just grab the source package unpack it with ar and then build the source tree by hand |
| 02:24.12 | memleak | the source tree in orig.tar.xz is the official non-preempt_rt kernel source |
| 02:24.19 | nevyn | right. |
| 02:24.40 | ImaLamer | it's inside the deb file |
| 02:24.43 | moof2 | are you saying you want to build a kernel from that src? |
| 02:24.43 | nevyn | then apply the .diff or patches in the deb file |
| 02:25.01 | memleak | theres a .diff in the deb file? |
| 02:25.08 | nevyn | memleak: orig.tar.xz is not the source "package" |
| 02:25.16 | nevyn | it's the original upstream tarball |
| 02:25.21 | ImaLamer | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/linux-latest <-- get the headers here |
| 02:25.40 | nevyn | memleak: but this is still offtopic |
| 02:25.49 | themill | the "linux-latest" package is only a metapackage; there's nothing useful in it |
| 02:26.53 | memleak | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/linux-headers-rt-amd64/filelist |
| 02:26.56 | memleak | no .diff file |
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| 02:27.22 | themill | that's the binary package not the source package |
| 02:28.09 | moof2 | there will be either two or three files in the source package, which you download when you say apt-get source some-pkg |
| 02:28.30 | memleak | what if i dont want to use apt-get though.. |
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| 02:28.36 | memleak | thats the tricky part.. |
| 02:28.40 | nevyn | no it's not |
| 02:28.49 | nevyn | download the source deb file with wget |
| 02:28.54 | nevyn | unpack it with ar |
| 02:28.58 | nevyn | or alien or whatever |
| 02:29.05 | memleak | i use ar.. then.. |
| 02:29.05 | themill | why does he want the deb to get the patch? |
| 02:29.12 | nevyn | cause it's not upstream |
| 02:29.13 | moof2 | one's the upstream tarball (which is not always the same as what upstream provides), maybe a .diff, and a .dsc |
| 02:29.15 | nevyn | apparently |
| 02:29.32 | themill | the patch isn't going to be in the binary package (.deb) it's only going to be in the source package |
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| 02:29.33 | memleak | its not upstream with the official RT_PREEMPT code |
| 02:29.42 | moof2 | themill, I think he's not clear on how things work in debianized-source land |
| 02:29.53 | memleak | i'm definitely not. |
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| 02:31.04 | memleak | doesnt debian have a git tree for their kernels? |
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| 02:31.13 | memleak | surely there must be a debian-rt.git repo, yes? |
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| 02:31.17 | themill | svn |
| 02:31.23 | moof2 | memleak, there are binary packages (which end in .deb), which are compiled from the source packages |
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| 02:31.35 | moof2 | svn when the kernel uses git? wow :) |
| 02:31.37 | ImaLamer | i don't get what's the problem |
| 02:31.45 | memleak | moof2: there is like 500 different amd64 RT .deb files.. |
| 02:31.58 | moof2 | I don't think there is a problem |
| 02:32.27 | ImaLamer | can i not move log files in /var safely if it's full (without going offline)? |
| 02:32.47 | themill | memleak: you can download the necessary files directly from the mirror or from packages.debian.org. For the kernel, you want the "orig" tarball and the debian.tar.xz; you unpack them. The patches debian is using are either already in the orig tarball if they are part of the "upstream" stable branch of the kernel or in the debian.tar.xz |
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| 02:33.10 | diytto | moof2: what do you know about networking? |
| 02:33.11 | themill | memleak: look at the very bottom of http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/linux |
| 02:33.40 | moof2 | diytto, mostly about simple static routing |
| 02:34.07 | memleak | themill: i have the two .xz files |
| 02:34.22 | dmorris_home | Hi, I was logged into a server and there was an emerg level broadcast "kernel:[47069.351517] Disabling IRQ #1262" then the box soon became unreachable. Someone rebooted it for us and we found nothing in syslog, not even than message. Our rsyslog config is default, can anyone think of why an emergency broadcast like that would not be written to the logs? |
| 02:34.27 | moof2 | what's .xz? |
| 02:34.35 | nevyn | moof giyf |
| 02:34.41 | memleak | xz-utils, compression algorithm |
| 02:34.46 | themill | memleak: first hit on google... |
| 02:35.16 | memleak | where the full, entire, RT_PREEMPT debian kernel, pre-patched, source tree, is definitely not anywhere on google. |
| 02:35.21 | nevyn | memleak: so the problem is. those sources generate ALL the binary packages corresponding to that version |
| 02:35.25 | diytto | alright...\ |
| 02:35.41 | themill | memleak: err... that was for moof2, not you. Sorry. Everyone's nick should start with a different letter ;) |
| 02:35.42 | ImaLamer | pre-patched as in w/o debian patches? |
| 02:35.43 | nevyn | memleak: that's cause it's build by the debian tools |
| 02:35.56 | memleak | nevyn: oh... |
| 02:36.09 | moof2 | there's a thousand people here... that would be kinda impossible :) |
| 02:36.53 | memleak | lets say im on debian, what apt-get command do i need to run to have it automatically build me a fully working, fully pre-patched kernel tree of the official RT_PREEMPT kernel? |
| 02:37.05 | memleak | i'll just run it in a vm and post to github. |
| 02:37.35 | ImaLamer | prepatched how? |
| 02:37.37 | nevyn | memleak: so.. building the source package will generate all the resultant binary files |
| 02:37.46 | themill | memleak: "apt-get source -b linux" but that would build you a bazillion different packages that you don't need in this case; you also don't need it as you've already got the files you need. |
| 02:37.57 | memleak | i just want the RT_PREEMPT using apt-get |
| 02:37.59 | nevyn | ImaLamer: as in the exact coresponding source to the -rt binary only |
| 02:38.06 | nevyn | memleak: debian doesn't work that way. |
| 02:38.18 | nevyn | memleak: you'd get every .deb that is built from that source package. |
| 02:38.58 | memleak | so there is no possible way to get a pre-patched kernel tree of debian's RT_PREEMPT code? its all automatic?.... |
| 02:39.03 | diytto | moof2: would it be possible for you to help me with some wan networking stuff? |
| 02:39.05 | nevyn | memleak: it's all automatic |
| 02:39.17 | memleak | so nobody can get the source of debian's RT_PREEMPT? |
| 02:39.21 | memleak | now thats violation of thw GPL.. |
| 02:39.26 | themill | memleak: sure, you already have the source |
| 02:39.32 | memleak | WHERE? |
| 02:39.36 | moof2 | diytto, maybe :) there are people here now that are much better than I am |
| 02:39.40 | themill | memleak: you just downloaded it |
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| 02:39.50 | nevyn | in the two .xz files you have |
| 02:39.55 | diytto | moof2: any suggestion to whom i could talk to then? |
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| 02:40.13 | memleak | in the kernel tree of orig.tar.xz i dont see anything to do with RT_PREEMPT |
| 02:40.24 | memleak | so its not there at all. |
| 02:40.27 | nevyn | we just told you that it's in the other file |
| 02:40.33 | andre_pl | i tracked my problem down to (i THINK) libcanberra. a lot of gtk apps just crash constantly.. i can't imagine anything i've done recently that could have caused this, can anyone help? |
| 02:40.37 | memleak | where exactly in the other file? |
| 02:40.48 | moof2 | I get two hits on that, you can just ask the question here, don't pick someone specific, the more data you provide in your question, the more people will know if they can contribute |
| 02:40.56 | moof2 | second hit, ##networking |
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| 02:41.31 | themill | memleak: that's your job to work out... you're the one who wants the source. You've chosen what is probably the most complicated package in debian to go poking in around for your first attempt... |
| 02:41.49 | nevyn | memleak: it'll be some set of the patches in the .debian.tar.xz file as defined by the debian/rules (and possibly other stuff) |
| 02:41.56 | moof2 | memleak, you won't see it in the source, it's in the .config file |
| 02:41.56 | memleak | debian/patches/features/all/rt i see about 500 patches |
| 02:42.04 | memleak | scratch that, 307. |
| 02:42.13 | themill | memleak: sounds feasible |
| 02:42.34 | memleak | now to apply.. |
| 02:42.43 | memleak | do i apply all of them> |
| 02:43.14 | moof2 | you need to apply them in a specific order |
| 02:43.16 | nevyn | I'll be shocked if it's that easy... |
| 02:43.24 | memleak | not numerical order? |
| 02:43.30 | themill | there's a series file |
| 02:43.31 | moof2 | meetoo |
| 02:43.39 | memleak | AH! |
| 02:44.00 | memleak | in the series file thats the order? |
| 02:44.03 | nevyn | I suspect there's general fixes which it requires first (but maybe the kernel guys duplicate that stuff into each /all/feature tree) |
| 02:44.03 | memleak | it s numerical.. |
| 02:44.37 | moof2 | I didn't know about the series file |
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| 02:45.03 | nevyn | You'd need to examine rules or control to workout if all/rt is directly applied or if some other series is applied first |
| 02:45.28 | diytto | moof2: thanks |
| 02:45.45 | memleak | using debian is there a way to automate this process for me? |
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| 02:45.57 | memleak | like a fakeroot command or something |
| 02:46.22 | moof2 | maybe something involving iterating over the series file |
| 02:46.44 | nevyn | if there's a series file can't quilt deal with that? |
| 02:46.56 | memleak | so basically even if i was running debian, it'd be a pain to get the official source of the debian RT_PREEMPT kernel |
| 02:47.09 | memleak | just as difficult as doing it from gentoo.. |
| 02:47.38 | nevyn | there might be a tool which will build the corresponding source tree for the partiuclar binary target.. maybe. |
| 02:47.48 | memleak | oh! |
| 02:47.55 | memleak | sounds lovely! |
| 02:47.56 | nevyn | never needed it so havn't bothered to find out |
| 02:48.06 | nevyn | not how debian tends to work. |
| 02:48.11 | themill | debian/README.source is enlightening |
| 02:48.32 | memleak | wouldnt apt-get build-dep linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 do that? |
| 02:48.55 | themill | that only gets the packages required to build the package -- it does nothing to the source |
| 02:48.58 | themill | dpkg: tell memleak about package recompile |
| 02:49.20 | themill | memleak: but that's back to the "kernel package is designed to build a million different kernel flavours" problem) |
| 02:49.22 | memleak | apt-get source linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 ? |
| 02:49.35 | nevyn | will get you the files you just downloaded |
| 02:49.40 | memleak | as long as i can build RT_PREEMPT i guess i dont get. |
| 02:49.41 | nevyn | plus the .dsc |
| 02:49.43 | themill | that just gets you to where you already are |
| 02:49.44 | memleak | *care. |
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| 02:50.33 | memleak | well how does the average debian developer build a kernel then? |
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| 02:50.44 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 02:50.50 | EasyAsPie | how r u carif |
| 02:50.53 | nevyn | memleak: unless they're on the kernel team they don't |
| 02:50.54 | moof2 | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 02:51.02 | themill | memleak: the average debian developer doesn't build "a" kernel, the kernel team builds lots of different kernels. |
| 02:51.05 | nevyn | make deb-pkg |
| 02:51.33 | memleak | make-kpkg.. can i use that for RT_PREEMPT ? |
| 02:51.39 | carif | EasyAsPie, fine, ty |
| 02:51.40 | memleak | or make dep-pkg ? |
| 02:51.49 | EasyAsPie | I'm sad |
| 02:51.54 | EasyAsPie | want to chat? |
| 02:51.59 | memleak | EasyAsPie: zoloft |
| 02:52.00 | nevyn | memleak: sure but they don't solve your problem |
| 02:52.09 | memleak | what problem is that? |
| 02:52.11 | EasyAsPie | where? |
| 02:52.20 | memleak | EasyAsPie: pharmacy |
| 02:52.29 | EasyAsPie | no prescription |
| 02:52.31 | EasyAsPie | u got some? |
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| 02:52.40 | memleak | EasyAsPie: see a doc.. |
| 02:52.43 | nevyn | memleak: they are both mechinisms to build a .deb binary from a kernel source tree. |
| 02:52.48 | nevyn | memleak: this helps you not at all |
| 02:52.50 | themill | EasyAsPie: did you have a debian user support question we can help you with? |
| 02:52.54 | EasyAsPie | cannot afford it |
| 02:52.56 | LtL | EasyAsPie: get one, you're off-topic |
| 02:52.56 | memleak | yeah i can decompress the .deb binary from gentoo |
| 02:52.57 | memleak | tada |
| 02:53.28 | memleak | i can at least build my own kernel! |
| 02:53.31 | nevyn | memleak: so you could do that now and just move all the bits around and put the initrd and vmlinuz files in /boot and moduels etc. |
| 02:53.36 | moof2 | so if the buildds build kernels automatically, it must be possible to select patches to apply... what mechanism allows that? |
| 02:53.44 | nevyn | moof2: control |
| 02:53.58 | memleak | no i want to modify the kernel config.. |
| 02:54.07 | moof2 | you mean debian/control? |
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| 02:54.14 | nevyn | memleak: did you read README.source? |
| 02:54.18 | EasyAsPie | anyone want to chat? |
| 02:54.23 | EasyAsPie | I'm lonely and sad |
| 02:54.25 | memleak | EasyAsPie: seriously kid.. |
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| 02:55.19 | peaceblaster | ...that's what 4chan is for, isn't it? |
| 02:55.38 | memleak | peaceblaster: facebook, 4chan you get laughed at now. |
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| 02:55.51 | memleak | bunch of /b/tards tell you to go kill yourself. |
| 02:56.03 | nevyn | memleak: DID YOU READ README.source it really is illuminating. |
| 02:56.14 | memleak | READING NOW, THANKS! |
| 02:56.23 | moof2 | YAY! |
| 02:56.27 | memleak | IKR! |
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| 02:57.10 | peaceblaster | the same trolls seem to be everywhere... that's why I prefer more intellectual communities like the Linux user community |
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| 02:59.38 | memleak | it says if i want to build a source tree with all patches applied, use make -f debian/rules source, not how to select one series of patches |
| 02:59.52 | memleak | (in this case RT PREEMPT) |
| 03:00.29 | rjsalts | memleak: have a look in debian/rules and see if there is a target for it |
| 03:00.33 | memleak | make -f debian/rules will still make me a kernel tree though with RT PREEMPT yes? |
| 03:00.54 | rjsalts | memleak: it will build all the kernels |
| 03:00.55 | moof2 | in that case, you make sure the patches you want are in the patches dir (which you'll have to locate) |
| 03:01.20 | memleak | rjsalts: not the source tree, still?? |
| 03:02.33 | memleak | no target for RT PREEMPT |
| 03:03.01 | nevyn | nah. it's all autoconf foo. |
| 03:03.08 | memleak | rjsalts: it says it will generate a source tree, not kernels themselves. |
| 03:03.34 | memleak | (which is what i want..) |
| 03:03.51 | nevyn | memleak: patches/series-rt |
| 03:04.00 | memleak | what about it? |
| 03:04.02 | nevyn | is most likely the patch application rules you need |
| 03:04.05 | memleak | ohh |
| 03:04.48 | memleak | its just a list of patch names.. |
| 03:04.53 | memleak | in numerical order. |
| 03:05.07 | nevyn | :) |
| 03:05.35 | memleak | so could i just do patch < ../0001*.patch etc etc ? |
| 03:05.52 | memleak | (i'd script it obviously) |
| 03:05.59 | nevyn | or you could you know use QUILT |
| 03:06.04 | nevyn | which does that. |
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| 03:06.10 | memleak | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:06.23 | moof2 | I thought someone showed how to apply the patches earlier |
| 03:06.27 | nevyn | as in a patchwork quilt |
| 03:07.01 | memleak | so i dont need debian at all :) |
| 03:07.05 | themill | QUILT_PATCHES='debian/patches' QUILT_SERIES=series-rt QUILT_PC=.pc quilt push --quiltrc - -a -q --fuzz=0 |
| 03:07.06 | memleak | quilt does all this for me! |
| 03:07.09 | themill | sure |
| 03:07.24 | memleak | YAY! |
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| 03:08.16 | ichthys | does anyone know how to install 'cplv'? or is there is a whole package suite for lvm management (besides lvm2) |
| 03:08.21 | memleak | themill: what does that QUILT_PATCHES thing do? |
| 03:08.35 | themill | memleak: tells quilt where to find the patches |
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| 03:10.12 | memleak | hope this works.. |
| 03:10.31 | johndoe__ | anyone running debian on a NSLU2? |
| 03:10.56 | moof2 | a slug plug! |
| 03:11.05 | johndoe__ | yes |
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| 03:11.40 | moof2 | there is a channel #debian-arm |
| 03:11.49 | moof2 | either here or at irc.oftc.net |
| 03:11.56 | johndoe__ | mine has been in storage, i can't remember the password to the main drive -_-; |
| 03:12.26 | johndoe__ | there an easy way to reset using chroot or something similar? |
| 03:13.43 | memleak | themill: do i run that quilt command inside the kernel source tree? |
| 03:14.14 | themill | memleak: the packaging first copies the source elsewhere (except for the .pc and debian directories) and then cd's into it and then applies the patches |
| 03:14.34 | themill | quilt doesn't handle the concept of two different series of patches being applied to the same code |
| 03:14.49 | memleak | where do i run it though? |
| 03:15.02 | memleak | outside it then in the dir above it? |
| 03:15.10 | themill | inside the copied source tree |
| 03:15.26 | memleak | so inside the decompressed .orig.tar.xz file |
| 03:15.32 | themill | (you'd need to adjust the QUILT_PATCHES path) |
| 03:15.36 | memleak | s/file/folder/ |
| 03:15.39 | johndoe__ | some of the operating system is on the boot area on the slug so i dunno if chroot password change does anything.. i assume it does but trying to make sure before i manhandle the thing |
| 03:15.44 | themill | you need both xz files uncompressed |
| 03:15.49 | memleak | of course |
| 03:15.53 | memleak | but thats correct? |
| 03:16.06 | themill | you'd need to blow away .pc first if you were going to do that |
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| 03:16.31 | memleak | oops.. |
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| 03:16.41 | nevyn | memleak: those need to be paths to those files/directories |
| 03:16.58 | nevyn | that are navigable from where the top level of your unpacked orig.tar.xz is |
| 03:16.59 | memleak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.02 | memleak | correct? |
| 03:17.11 | nevyn | dunno where you unpacked it to. |
| 03:17.20 | memleak | ../debian |
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| 03:17.36 | nevyn | where did you unpack the orig.tar.gz to? |
| 03:17.50 | memleak | inside the decompressed .orig file, the debian folder in the dir above it (../) |
| 03:17.53 | nevyn | absolute path please |
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| 03:18.01 | memleak | /usr/src for both |
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| 03:18.19 | nevyn | what is the absolute path to the top of the unpacked orig.tar.xz? |
| 03:18.24 | nevyn | and to the patches file? |
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| 03:19.02 | memleak | /usr/src/linux-3.2.41 (*orig.tar.xz) /usr/src/debian (kernel version-debian.tar.xz) |
| 03:19.13 | nevyn | and btw ewww to building in /usr/src |
| 03:19.26 | memleak | i know i know |
| 03:19.32 | nevyn | so then ../debian/patches is fine |
| 03:19.38 | memleak | ok so its all good |
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| 03:20.26 | memleak | remove the QUILT_PC stuff though, yes> |
| 03:21.11 | nevyn | themill: I don't understand the bit with .pc ? |
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| 03:21.58 | johndoe__ | chroot to usb drive seems to work.. guess the only part on the slug is the bootloader? O_o either way, it works. nice to know about #debian-arm, thank you |
| 03:22.44 | memleak | same.. |
| 03:23.21 | themill | memleak: btw you probably need to apply debian/patches/series before you can apply debian/patches/series-rt |
| 03:23.29 | moof2 | johndoe__, np |
| 03:23.44 | memleak | themill: yeah.. |
| 03:23.47 | themill | nevyn: quilt has already tried to apply a series of patches when first unpacking the source tree (from debian/patches/series) and has recorded its state in .pc. You can't then switch to a different series file and expect quilt to be happy. |
| 03:24.17 | johndoe__ | =] |
| 03:25.14 | memleak | themill: so i remove QUILT_PC or just the .pc part? |
| 03:25.23 | memleak | looks cleaner than leaving an empty variable.. |
| 03:25.24 | nevyn | themill: that only applies if he used make -f debian/rules to unpack it right? |
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| 03:25.44 | nevyn | if he did it with xzcat|tar not so much? |
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| 03:25.59 | memleak | i used tar xf |
| 03:26.03 | memleak | (specifically) |
| 03:26.40 | themill | you need to apply two different quilt series; you have to get rid of .pc in between quilt runs to be able to do that |
| 03:26.46 | nevyn | right. |
| 03:27.07 | nevyn | themill: how did you determine that series and series-rt are to be applied incrementally? |
| 03:27.12 | memleak | find . -name *.pc -exec rm -rf "{}" \; tada |
| 03:27.55 | themill | nevyn: dpkg-source automatically applies debian/patches/series; the build system then also applies debian/patches/series-rt as the feature set. (see debian/rules.real) |
| 03:28.02 | nevyn | ah. |
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| 07:38.43 | themill | oh look |
| 07:38.47 | jelly-home | Dewi: the context is bots on the channel |
| 07:38.51 | themill | apt, hello |
| 07:38.52 | apt | Howdy Bub |
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| 07:40.37 | Dewi | jelly-home: I was joking |
| 07:40.37 | jelly-home | it wasn't funny! |
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| 07:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall I set autojoin? |
| 07:40.37 | jelly-home | with all the network shenanigans, I'm not surprised the bot got a hiccup |
| 07:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might have suffered from some glitch on bot |
| 07:40.40 | themill | DocScrutinizer05: it should already be. |
| 07:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #debian |
| 07:40.51 | apt | chan: #debian (see _default also) |
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| 07:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | themill: so shall I set autojoin=apt? |
| 07:43.46 | themill | guess so |
| 07:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 07:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly wonder what happened to the bot's database, since I'm sure it had autojoin before |
| 07:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | done. sorry for the noise |
| 07:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 08:11.25 | patsToms | I mean - in archive is archive |
| 08:11.29 | patsToms | can I list it? |
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| 08:13.40 | volitek | I think I might have horribly broken my system, I can't seem to install anything: http://pastebin.com/0awhrUW4 apt-get -f install didnt help, it did this: http://pastebin.com/7PMtDgf4 |
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| 08:13.40 | patsToms | volitek, you tread to install them manually? |
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| 08:14.25 | volitek | what do you mean? |
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| 08:14.31 | themill | volitek: looks like you've found the apache transition. Congratulations. Try disabling php in your apache config (a2dismod php5) and try again |
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| 08:18.05 | volitek | themill: same errors :( when it first updated it asked me whether I wanted the new config or to keep the old one... I guess I picked wrong, picking to keep my old one |
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| 08:22.00 | sdr_ | anyone having trouble accessing security.debian.org? |
| 08:23.37 | emj | sdr_: what kind of problem? workf for me.. |
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| 08:24.01 | moof2 | , file rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 08:24.02 | sdr_ | apt-get update stops at this repo |
| 08:24.05 | judd | Search for rtl8168f-1.fw in wheezy/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
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| 08:25.11 | sdr_ | and this repeats for any ip it resolves to |
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| 08:25.45 | JoeHazzers | what will allow my console resolution to be set automatically on a radeon card? |
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| 08:32.02 | jillsmitt | edit /etc/network? |
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| 08:32.53 | moof2 | well first let's see what dns it's got already (btw, it should go on after maybe 3-5 mins if dns has it stuck, so maybe not that) |
| 08:33.20 | moof2 | do you have nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:34.02 | moof2 | maybe you can't find out at the moment... can you boot into single user mode? |
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| 08:35.35 | moof2 | brb |
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| 09:25.07 | KBme | hi |
| 09:25.18 | KBme | does anyone know how I can keep the boot messages so they don't clear when done? |
| 09:25.54 | mumpitze1 | KBme: /var/log/kern.log* |
| 09:26.03 | berarma | ,v bootlog |
| 09:26.05 | judd | No package named 'bootlog' was found in i386. |
| 09:26.08 | KBme | no, I want the init script's messages |
| 09:26.10 | mumpitze1 | berarma: bootlogd |
| 09:26.14 | berarma | ,v bootlogd |
| 09:26.15 | judd | Package: bootlogd on i386 -- jessie: 2.88dsf-41; sid: 2.88dsf-41; wheezy: 2.88dsf-41; experimental: 2.88dsf-41+jessie1 |
| 09:26.18 | berarma | :-) |
| 09:26.23 | KBme | the stuff in the form [DONE] starting foobar service |
| 09:27.11 | KBme | which is cleared on VT login |
| 09:27.11 | berarma | ,bootlogd |
| 09:27.11 | berarma | , bootlogd |
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| 09:27.11 | berarma | oh, sorry |
| 09:27.18 | berarma | KBme: it's bootlogd |
| 09:27.34 | KBme | ok |
| 09:27.57 | KBme | thanks i'll try it |
| 09:29.05 | mumpitze1 | ls /src |
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| 09:29.05 | KBme | how do I use it? just install it and it should be fine? |
| 09:29.26 | mumpitze1 | yes install it and read its docs /usr/share/doc/bootlogd |
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| 09:30.56 | KBme | some changelogs, great docs ;) |
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| 09:33.38 | KBme | lol I have a failed boot message and now way of checking what failed |
| 09:33.52 | KBme | what a great idea to lear the screen, it is really so much more prettier |
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| 16:50.58 | paxcoder | nkuttler, ? |
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| 16:55.58 | paxcoder | nkuttler, judd agreed with me that it should be in there, but it isn't. I tired its other suggestion (-dev), and got the prog, but now bash says the directory isn't where it should be |
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| 16:56.37 | paxcoder | should probably try x86_64-linux-gnu/ sub |
| 16:56.39 | Cyclohexane | what does sm-mta[837]: rejecting connections on daemon MSP-v4: load average: 49 mean? someone is spamming my mail box? |
| 16:56.39 | nkuttler | paxcoder: what's the exact error, and which command are you using? |
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| 16:57.34 | paxcoder | gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache |
| 16:57.34 | paxcoder | bash: /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache: |
| 16:57.41 | paxcoder | *No such file or directory |
| 16:58.12 | paxcoder | I wrote the thing in the subdirectory (see above) now. It's discouraging that the file wasn't already there. We'll see how it works. Need to restart X |
| 16:58.16 | paxcoder | nkuttler, ^ |
| 16:58.19 | paxcoder | brb |
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| 16:59.19 | paxcoder | nkuttler, that did it |
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| 17:02.54 | paxcoder | In summary; for missing icons & window chrome after dist-upgrade of unstable on amd64 arch, try (as root): apt-get --reinstall install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev && gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/loaders.cache |
| 17:03.17 | paxcoder | cya |
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| 17:03.41 | diamonds | sudo apt-get -t squeeze mysql-server |
| 17:03.54 | diamonds | assuming I have squeeze set up in my sources list, this should work, no? |
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| 17:05.13 | diamonds | hmm complains about unmet dependencies & broken packages |
| 17:05.19 | diamonds | dang |
| 17:05.32 | diamonds | I need mysql <5.5 to run this application |
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| 17:05.45 | diamonds | trying to figure the best approach here |
| 17:05.59 | diamonds | I know mixing OS releaseas is bad but I sort of must |
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| 17:08.42 | diamonds | I'll snapshot my system then try --force-yes |
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| 17:08.58 | diamonds | nope :/ |
| 17:09.15 | nkuttler | diamonds: or you on wheezy or .. ? |
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| 17:09.38 | diamonds | nkuttlerĀ» jessie |
| 17:09.50 | diamonds | but reaching back to squeeze for old mysql version |
| 17:09.51 | nkuttler | diamonds: get whichever source package you need and try to build it |
| 17:10.01 | nkuttler | diamonds: same procedure as backporting basically |
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| 17:10.33 | nkuttler | diamonds: oh, and stop running crappy php apps :p |
| 17:10.44 | diamonds | it's java ;) |
| 17:10.46 | diamonds | good guess tho |
| 17:10.50 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 17:10.59 | diamonds | just big, old, Enterprise application |
| 17:11.05 | diamonds | that hasn't been fully vetted on new mysql |
| 17:11.49 | tdn | How do I make my Debian server (without X) connect to a wifi network? I have just bought a ralink USB wifi NIC. |
| 17:11.56 | diamonds | nkuttlerĀ» so d/l the .deb file from packages.debian.../squeeze...mysql-server-5.1? |
| 17:12.05 | nkuttler | !tell diamonds about ssbp |
| 17:12.17 | nkuttler | diamonds: that's the procedure, you just get older sources instead of newer ones |
| 17:12.24 | nkuttler | and hope the build works.. |
| 17:12.52 | nkuttler | tdn: network-manager has a cli tool, you could use that |
| 17:13.13 | phy1729 | tdn: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 17:13.19 | tdn | nkuttler, I will need to install a lot of X packages, if I install network manager, right? |
| 17:13.30 | tdn | phy1729, thanks. |
| 17:13.43 | nkuttler | doesn't really do wireless |
| 17:13.47 | tdn | phy1729, so I need to install wireless-tools package? And not 'iw' package? |
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| 17:14.03 | phy1729 | tdn: you can check with apt-get -s install |
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| 17:16.27 | diamonds | nkuttlerĀ» sorry for the silly question but where do I get the source? |
| 17:16.43 | diamonds | I'm confused about this step: " aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename;" |
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| 17:17.01 | diamonds | is packagename just mysql-server[no verion] or mysql-server-5.1? |
| 17:17.18 | diamonds | and does `source` refer to the directory containing the source for that package? |
| 17:17.21 | mumpitzel | diamonds: you added a deb-src line, that's where you get the source from. and it's mysql-server-5.1 |
| 17:17.37 | mumpitzel | no it'a a literal apt-get -b source |
| 17:17.39 | diamonds | ahhh sorry source is `squeeze` etc. |
| 17:17.45 | diamonds | oh |
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| 17:17.49 | mumpitzel | no source is sid in your case |
| 17:17.58 | diamonds | no I need an older package |
| 17:18.03 | mumpitzel | mea culpa |
| 17:18.22 | phy1729 | tdn: I used wireless-tools when I setup wifi |
| 17:18.27 | diamonds | ok so the build-dep line; it doesn't need to know my target package version? just mysql-server? |
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| 17:18.51 | mumpitzel | no it does need to know the name. and in this case, the name includes a version number |
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| 17:19.04 | diamonds | ok |
| 17:19.50 | diamonds | wait lemme back up a sec |
| 17:19.58 | diamonds | I have squeeze-backports in my sources.list |
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| 17:20.21 | diamonds | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports mysql-server-5.1 says "is not available but is referred to by another package" |
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| 17:21.33 | diamonds | yeah so aptitude build-dep msyql-server-5.1 fouind "no candidate version" |
| 17:21.48 | diamonds | mumpitzelĀ» is this where you were suggesting to add the version name? |
| 17:25.07 | diamonds | I'm really confused why apt-get install -t squeeze mysql-server didn't work |
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| 17:25.40 | diamonds | I configured it to point to squeeze, told it I wanted squeeze, the package name... it gave me guff. I wish there were "--do-it-anyway" switch |
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| 17:26.10 | horse_ | for example how do I tell it to use eth1 rather then eth0 |
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| 17:26.49 | diamonds | these backports instructions from dpkg are confusing me... I'm pretty sure apt-get goes for the newest version of everything it can find so `aptitude build-dep packagename` doesn't really work if you need an older version |
| 17:27.16 | diamonds | the package (mysql-server) being installed via a metapackage doesn't seem to help... |
| 17:27.17 | mtn | diamonds: debian doesn't support downgrading. you will need to build it yourself, I believe. |
| 17:27.25 | diamonds | mm |
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| 17:28.17 | mumpitzel | apt-get -t <release> however does |
| 17:28.48 | staropram | horse_: http://daniel-lange.com/archives/53-Binding-applications-to-a-specific-IP.html |
| 17:29.29 | diamonds | mumpitzelĀ» It complained when I did that :( ` sudo apt-get -t squeeze mysql-server` -> complains about unmet dependencies & broken packages |
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| 17:31.18 | diamonds | I'm following the dpkg backports instructions I was pointed to but I have a strong feeling I'm build-dep'ing the WRONG deps because I'm not specifying the version :( |
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| 17:31.31 | diamonds | when I do specify mysql-server-5.1 it fails |
| 17:31.55 | diamonds | requests spoonfeeding |
| 17:32.05 | diamonds | can someone spell out for me exactly how to get the mysql-server-5.1 source? |
| 17:32.23 | diamonds | I am reading the dpkg instructions etc. but so many of the commands refuse to work as expected |
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| 17:32.27 | lasers | apt-spoon --feed mysql-server-5.1 |
| 17:32.51 | diamonds | currently I'm waiting on aptitude build-dep mysql-server to finish |
| 17:34.01 | diamonds | I'll switch from backports back to squeeze and see about getting source form there |
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| 17:35.19 | diamonds | http://hastebin.com/raw/cutuwaqobi |
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| 17:35.27 | diamonds | ^attempting to retrieve source from squeeze |
| 17:35.35 | diamonds | it sees it but ignores it |
| 17:36.20 | diamonds | oh I need the sources line in my sources.list.... |
| 17:38.46 | diamonds | yay getting the source now |
| 17:38.52 | diamonds | don't really know how to build it tho :p |
| 17:38.54 | diamonds | will figure out |
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| 17:42.42 | diamonds | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet bguild dependencies: libtool (>= 1.4.2-7) automake1.9 dpatch |
| 17:42.56 | wjtaylor | I upgraded my iceweasel to the release on mozilla.debian.com and it doesn't render youtube correctly. I want to go back to the old version. Also, many apps are telling me they can be upgraded since I added backports. Should I remove backports as well? |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | wjtaylor: what is your flash application ? |
| 17:44.03 | abrotman | or are these HTML5 videos? |
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| 17:44.30 | wjtaylor | I don't know.. it's www.youtube.com |
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| 17:44.56 | wjtaylor | it seems to remove pics that have mouseover |
| 17:45.06 | wjtaylor | epiphany is fine |
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| 17:45.34 | wjtaylor | I'm going to install firefox as well |
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| 17:45.58 | jhutchins_wk | diamonds: aptitude install build-essentials or build-deps mysql-server? |
| 17:46.15 | diamonds | jhutchins_wkĀ» I did both I believe |
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| 17:46.27 | diamonds | I just manually installed dpatch and got a little further in the process... |
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| 17:46.47 | jhutchins_wk | b-e should have done automake. |
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| 17:47.19 | diamonds | ok I can step back in the process and try again |
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| 17:48.33 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mysql-serveer |
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| 17:48.34 | judd | No package named 'mysql-serveer' was found in i386. |
| 17:48.42 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mysql-serveer |
| 17:48.43 | judd | No package named 'mysql-serveer' was found in i386. |
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| 17:48.55 | krisfremen | one e |
| 17:49.26 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, and backspace, not enter. |
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| 17:51.19 | diamonds | ,versions mysql-server |
| 17:51.20 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.31+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.31+dfsg-1 |
| 17:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | I'm surprized the squeeze version won't just install on wheezy. |
| 17:51.33 | diamonds | dango dango |
| 17:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | has caught up with the backsroll now... |
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| 17:54.59 | diamonds | mysql-server : Depends: mysql-server-5.1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:55.09 | diamonds | jhutchins_wkĀ» ^ apt-get install -t squeeze mysql-server |
| 17:55.20 | diamonds | "but it is not going to be installed" so passive :p |
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| 17:57.40 | diamonds | jhutchins_wkĀ» http://hastebin.com/raw/qebonebeku |
| 17:57.53 | diamonds | I'll show the apt-get -b one here presently... |
| 17:58.45 | diamonds | http://hastebin.com/raw/hiloqoxavu |
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| 18:01.38 | diamonds | thoughts on "build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied"? |
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| 18:03.26 | diamonds | ok trying again .... did build-dep mysql-server-5.1 and it worked this time |
| 18:03.48 | diamonds | not sure what was different :) |
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| 18:04.28 | diamonds | dang didn't work |
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| 18:04.39 | diamonds | closer tho it seems; it did more stuff at least |
| 18:05.00 | diamonds | `make[3]: *** [do_abi_check] Error 1 |
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| 18:07.29 | wjtaylor | does debian store glibc and glibc++ in an unusual location? |
| 18:07.50 | wjtaylor | I show these packages as installed, but two separate programs can't find them? |
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| 18:10.11 | jordanm | wjtaylor, nope, /lib. pastebin the errors you are getting |
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| 18:12.00 | wjtaylor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5762236/ |
| 18:12.15 | wjtaylor | it's for debian... I just used the ubuntu pastebin |
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| 18:13.19 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: libstdc++.so.6 is in the default library path. Which firefox build did you download? |
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| 18:13.22 | jordanm | wjtaylor, ldd firefox-bin |
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| 18:13.43 | wjtaylor | 21.0 |
| 18:13.52 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: URL please. |
| 18:13.58 | jordanm | that's not part of libc6 though |
| 18:14.05 | jordanm | wjtaylor, and pastebin the ldd output |
| 18:14.49 | wjtaylor | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/#download-fx |
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| 18:15.01 | wjtaylor | I think it auto-senses which os you have |
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| 18:15.18 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: this usually happens if you try a 32 bit binary on a 64 bit system, vice-versa, or use a binary completely inadequate for your distro |
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| 18:15.39 | wjtaylor | ldd looks very handy! |
| 18:15.52 | jordanm | he can use 32bit firefox in 64bit debian |
| 18:16.00 | jelly-home | not by default tho |
| 18:16.00 | jordanm | ia32-libs (squeeze) or multiarch |
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| 18:16.20 | jelly-home | waits for the output requested |
| 18:17.08 | tdn | I am trying to configure wireless USB NIC on wheezy. I have installed the non-free firmware that is required as well as wireless-tools and wpasupplicant. I have configured the network in /etc/network/interfaces, however, it does not connect and it cannot seem to find any SSIDs when scanning. What to do? |
| 18:17.50 | wjtaylor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5762254/ |
| 18:17.56 | wjtaylor | It's missing two libs |
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| 18:18.13 | wjtaylor | well... it can't find them. Not sure if they're missing |
| 18:18.21 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:19.48 | jordanm | the lib32stdc++6 should still work in both squeeze and wheezy |
| 18:19.56 | jordanm | not sure why they kept it for wheezy, but it's there |
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| 18:22.17 | wjtaylor | jelly-home: squeeze |
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| 18:25.09 | jgalt | how can what is on my screen be streamed over mpeg to points elsewhere. anyone know a video driver that does this? |
| 18:25.18 | tdn | iwlist wlan0 scan does not work. It says: "wlan0 No scan results" even when there are plenty of wifi networks. How do I fix this? |
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| 18:26.46 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: are ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk installed? |
| 18:27.06 | Bernd187 | tdn, is the interface up? hw ok? |
| 18:27.20 | tdn | Bernd187, how do I check if the iface is up? |
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| 18:27.32 | tdn | Bernd187, hw should be OK. It has worked fine on another machine. |
| 18:27.40 | Bernd187 | tdn, ifconfig |
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| 18:28.03 | tdn | Bernd187, ifconfig says it is up: UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 18:28.51 | Bernd187 | are there any firmware failures in /var/log/message ? |
| 18:29.24 | Bernd187 | tdn, 'grep firmware /var/log/message' |
| 18:29.36 | tdn | Bernd187, http://paste.yt/p2685.html |
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| 18:29.46 | chz|bacon | tdn: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 18:29.53 | tdn | Bernd187, this is the last lines from after I removed usb NIC and inserted it again. |
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| 18:30.09 | tdn | chz|bacon, wlan0 No scan results |
| 18:30.15 | chz|bacon | gotcha |
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| 18:30.32 | chz|bacon | tdn: do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 18:30.40 | chz|bacon | then run the scan command again |
| 18:30.40 | tdn | Bernd187, [ 847.114010] rt73usb 1-3:1.0: firmware: agent loaded rt73.bin into memory |
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| 18:30.51 | tdn | chz|bacon, it IS up, see http://paste.yt/p2685.html |
| 18:31.16 | tdn | chz|bacon, but I did what you wrote. Same result: wlan0 No scan results3 |
| 18:31.17 | chz|bacon | sorry kinda jumping back and forth here.. missing key bits :P |
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| 18:31.51 | Bernd187 | tdn, what kind of wifi is it? |
| 18:32.06 | chz|bacon | tdn: have you installed the firware package for your adapter? |
| 18:32.18 | chz|bacon | sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 18:32.22 | tdn | Bernd187, WPA2 |
| 18:32.33 | tdn | chz|bacon, that is already installed. |
| 18:32.35 | Bernd187 | no, i mean usb / pci ? |
| 18:32.39 | tdn | Bernd187, usb |
| 18:33.12 | chz|bacon | kk |
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| 18:34.35 | chz|bacon | lol tdn i just read this on the net. I had the same problem. It turned out that my laptop wifi function was off. |
| 18:34.38 | chz|bacon | Once I turned it on with the wifi button, i can scan and get a full list of wlans available. |
| 18:34.39 | Bernd187 | tdn, did you check http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 18:35.51 | chz|bacon | might be worth noting :P |
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| 18:35.51 | jiffe98 | is debian lenny not supported anymore? |
| 18:35.52 | Bernd187 | tdn, could you confirm this? > "Connect the device to your system. The rt73usb kernel module is automatically loaded for supported devices." |
| 18:35.58 | tdn | Bernd187, yes, I read that. That was where I learned about the firmware package and installed it. |
| 18:36.16 | tdn | Bernd187, correct, when I connect the card, the module is loaded. |
| 18:36.55 | Bernd187 | tdn, is your device supported? |
| 18:36.58 | tdn | chz|bacon, this is not a laptop |
| 18:36.58 | jelly-home | jiffe98: correct, it's not supported since February 2012 |
| 18:37.59 | chz|bacon | kk tdn still searchin' around while working |
| 18:38.00 | jelly-home | jiffe98: read /msg dpkg lenny |
| 18:38.00 | tdn | Bernd187, http://paste.yt/p2686.html |
| 18:38.07 | tdn | Bernd187, notice this line: [ 2184.516928] rt73usb 1-4:1.0: firmware: agent loaded rt73.bin into memory |
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| 18:38.48 | Bernd187 | tdn, sorry .. no more ideas |
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| 18:39.28 | jordanm | wjtaylor, apt-get install lib32stdc++6 |
| 18:39.44 | jiffe98 | neat, just got a vps and they installed lenny |
| 18:39.49 | tdn | Bernd187, the green LED on the NIC is not blinking. |
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| 18:40.15 | Bernd187 | tdn, everythings looks like if is down :( |
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| 18:42.29 | kristijonas | Hello, the error Āfixme:mountmgr:harddisk_ioctl unsupported ioctl 560000Ā when I try to run some setup of some Windows program. Any ideas why? and how to make it run? |
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| 18:45.05 | tdn | Bernd187, :( |
| 18:45.37 | moof2 | upgraded my laptop to wheezy, I think I have X working, the dms won't start it |
| 18:46.15 | moof2 | testing if X is actually working by running it and seeing if I can fire up an x term |
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| 18:46.44 | chz|bacon | tdn: i'm guessing you have wireless-tools install also? |
| 18:47.11 | tdn | chz|bacon, yes |
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| 18:48.45 | chz|bacon | tdn: try sudo ip link set wlan0 up |
| 18:49.14 | chz|bacon | then iwlist wlan0 scan again |
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| 18:51.27 | tdn | chz|bacon, wlan0 No scan results |
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| 18:51.27 | chz|bacon | what's the device model number? |
| 18:51.27 | tdn | chz|bacon, how to check |
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| 18:51.43 | chz|bacon | lspci | grep -i net |
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| 18:52.21 | chz|bacon | if it doesn't show up there then try lsusb | grep -i net |
| 18:52.45 | tdn | chz|bacon, Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter |
| 18:52.59 | chz|bacon | as you could probably tell lspci (list you pci devices) and lsusb lists your usb devices |
| 18:53.34 | moof2 | confirmed, X works fine... |
| 18:53.48 | chz|bacon | ? |
| 18:53.54 | diamonds | what's that new debian fork called? tenglu? tunglu? |
| 18:53.58 | diamonds | tungle? |
| 18:54.19 | tdn | chz|bacon, yes, I am aware. I pasted the relevant line frmo lsusb above. |
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| 18:57.57 | chz|bacon | is that the only wifi adapter you have to try tdn > |
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| 18:59.21 | pmade | After upgrading to wheezy I can no longer use libvirt/virsh/qemu. I'm getting permission denied for the KVM module, but I'm in the kvm group and libvirt-qemu group, and even root can't use these tools. Google isn't helpful, is there something else I'm missing? |
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| 19:02.35 | tdn | chz|bacon, yes, the only one. :( |
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| 19:03.05 | chz|bacon | tdn: i'm almost tempted to send you another one |
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| 19:04.33 | chz|bacon | i mean this is the wiki page on it tdn http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
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| 19:05.11 | chz|bacon | tdn: actually http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 19:05.21 | chz|bacon | grr |
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| 19:05.25 | chz|bacon | that's the pci version |
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| 19:06.59 | chz|bacon | well i've got to get back to work tdn good luck. sorry i couldn't help you get it sorted out. |
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| 19:07.59 | tdn | chz|bacon, yeah, but both pci and usb should work. It is the same chip. |
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| 20:13.06 | zifnab | !tell zifnab squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:13.17 | zifnab | erm |
| 20:15.04 | zifnab | someone want to help me out with the proper command there? |
| 20:15.04 | moof2 | sure... if you want to show it here, you would say !tell zifnab about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 20:15.04 | moof2 | most of the time, you would do this instead: |
| 20:15.04 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.15 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.32 | moof2 | or |
| 20:18.32 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.32 | moof2 | in both of these cases, dpkg will reply to you privately |
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| 20:18.32 | vadimkolchev | restarted, but still have no idea why gnome 3 freezed |
| 20:18.32 | zifnab | thanks |
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| 20:21.54 | dorian | hiya. question: suppose i have packaged something and would like to push it out into debian/ubuntu. what do i do next? |
| 20:23.44 | moof2 | find a sponsor, a debian developer who is (ideally) interested in the thing you're packaging |
| 20:24.06 | moof2 | as far as debian. ubuntu? I dunno what they do around this |
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| 20:24.48 | dorian | i just assumed they snarfed the deb package directory and made changes where they felt like |
| 20:25.05 | dorian | no idea; venturing into unknown territory |
| 20:25.15 | dorian | so sponsor you say? |
| 20:25.43 | dorian | where does one go for that? |
| 20:25.44 | moof2 | for debian, yeah |
| 20:26.27 | dorian | i packaged this: http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_transform/ |
| 20:26.47 | dorian | which is, uh, stable heh |
| 20:26.55 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 20:26.56 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 20:27.13 | dorian | thanks |
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| 20:27.46 | jelly-home | note: that channel is not here on freenode, irc.debian.org is a different irc network |
| 20:27.51 | moof2 | you could get established on the mailing lists (http://lists.debian.org for more info) and post some details to debian-devel and (good idea jelly) debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:28.03 | dorian | thanks, noticed already (got auto-booted from there) |
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| 20:28.35 | dorian | excellent, i'm on my way. thanks folks |
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| 20:29.06 | moof2 | can't help being curious as to what you |
| 20:29.08 | moof2 | are packaging |
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| 20:29.34 | jelly-home | but you're unable to click on the link and find out? |
| 20:29.44 | dorian | mod_transform for apacche |
| 20:29.47 | dorian | xslt filter |
| 20:29.50 | moof2 | oh, there's a link? |
| 20:29.58 | jelly-home | <moof2> for debian, yeah <dorian> i packaged this: http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_transform/ |
| 20:30.00 | dorian | been around since 2004 but nobody bothered to package it |
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| 20:30.44 | dorian | i needed it for my own internal stuff which is all running on debian/ubuntu |
| 20:30.50 | dorian | depending on the client |
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| 20:33.25 | dorian | so it was easier for me to just build a deb |
| 20:33.25 | dorian | but i figure now that i've made it why not contribute it to the mothership, right? |
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| 20:56.49 | kristijonas | pmo, after deleting .wine folder, and trying to run the program setup again: http://paste.debian.net/10241/ |
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| 21:10.22 | kristijonas | pmo, so it didn't help |
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| 21:11.09 | nyuszika7h | !info nodejs |
| 21:11.13 | nyuszika7h | !search nodejs |
| 21:11.21 | nyuszika7h | where is the nodejs package in wheezy? |
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| 21:11.41 | SmashingX | somebody knows why when I launch vi and I press any of the arrow keys I see letters like A when I press the up arrow key, B when I press the down key and I can't even delete characters when I press the backspace key |
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| 21:12.06 | bernat | SmashingX, I think you're using vi-tiny |
| 21:12.15 | dpkg | nodejs: (Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine), section web, is extra. Version: 0.6.19~dfsg1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 798 kB, Installed size: 2543 kB |
| 21:12.26 | bernat | vim-tiny |
| 21:12.30 | SmashingX | but I typed vi test bernat |
| 21:12.47 | bernat | vi is provided by more than one package |
| 21:12.58 | bernat | see which one is installed |
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| 21:13.38 | nyuszika7h | SmashingX: workaround: use hjkl in normal mode |
| 21:13.40 | bernat | the vi installed by default in debian is a stripped down version called vim-tiny |
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| 21:14.41 | zykotick9 | bernat: ahhh, vim-tiny is "basically" vi, while vim is vim ;) |
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| 21:15.27 | bernat | both are vim |
| 21:15.31 | kristijonas | zykotick9, hello. :) |
| 21:15.53 | SmashingX | bernat: when I open the file and I press the key I, it should show insert right? |
| 21:16.07 | zykotick9 | bernat: technically, yes. that's true. but vim-tiny is posix vi requirement, NOT vim the real editor called "vim" |
| 21:20.18 | kristijonas | zykotick9, could u help me with this: http://paste.debian.net/10241/ ? |
| 21:20.18 | SmashingX | but when I type vi and enter it says VIM |
| 21:20.18 | bernat | try: update-alternatives --config vi |
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| 21:20.18 | bernat | and try: dpkg -l vim* |
| 21:20.18 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: i can not. as soon as i saw "wine foo" i was done. good luck. you probably shouldn't try to pick people out at random to help you. you should probably ask in #winehq |
| 21:20.18 | zykotick9 | bernat: i typically use update-alternatives for editor, rather then just vi myself |
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| 21:20.18 | bernat | sry, that was for SmashingX |
| 21:20.18 | zykotick9 | SmashingX: see my message above... |
| 21:20.18 | kristijonas | zykotick9, sorry for picking you up. and thanks for the channel. :) |
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| 21:21.24 | SmashingX | nothing seems to work :( |
| 21:21.34 | SmashingX | damn, why is this thing like that? |
| 21:21.39 | SmashingX | it's so frustrating! |
| 21:21.47 | bernat | SmashingX, what's your problem? |
| 21:22.08 | SmashingX | it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't |
| 21:22.18 | SmashingX | sometimes I open a txt file like vi txtfile |
| 21:22.19 | bernat | do you know how vi works? |
| 21:22.30 | SmashingX | yes I have used vi for more than a year |
| 21:22.34 | jeep | SmashingX: you will feel like a god once it does work its the punishment reward system that makes linux so great |
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| 21:22.47 | bernat | then? |
| 21:23.04 | SmashingX | ok sometimes like I was saying i open a text file normally |
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| 21:23.15 | SmashingX | and I press "i" and says insert at the bottom |
| 21:23.22 | SmashingX | so I can change the text on the file |
| 21:23.38 | SmashingX | and sometimes it doesn't say anything when I press the i key |
| 21:24.01 | SmashingX | but I can type, but then some keys are not doing what they suppose to do |
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| 21:24.17 | SmashingX | like I press the arrow key and it enters characters |
| 21:24.22 | SmashingX | B,A,F |
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| 21:24.27 | SmashingX | something like that |
| 21:24.30 | bernat | apt-get install vim |
| 21:24.35 | SmashingX | it's pretty random |
| 21:25.04 | SmashingX | I have had this problem with vi with many different machines |
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| 21:25.15 | SmashingX | but sometimes I ignore the problem |
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| 21:25.33 | SmashingX | sometimes it works, sometimes if it doesn't work I just use another editor |
| 21:25.57 | SmashingX | but I was wondering, why if there's a bug, why nobody hasn't said anything yet? |
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| 21:26.25 | SmashingX | if this problem has been around for like 2 years |
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| 21:29.37 | petn-randall | SmashingX: You know about the different modes vim can have? |
| 21:29.57 | petn-randall | SmashingX: I've been using vim for 10+ years, never had the problem you described on any machine. |
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| 21:30.10 | SmashingX | but you said vim |
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| 21:30.44 | SmashingX | I'm using vi |
| 21:31.28 | petn-randall | /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 21:31.39 | petn-randall | /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.basic |
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| 21:33.12 | petn-randall | SmashingX: ^^ |
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| 21:34.49 | redscare | I'm using jessie on a G4 iMac, in pure CLI (though I do have xorg and awesomewm installed for emergencies) ... I'm playing music, chatting, and surfing the text-based web and it's fast as lightning, wellnigh instantaneous. Thanks Debian :) |
| 21:35.08 | redscare | Not many devs support ppc anymore |
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| 21:37.06 | tecna | Hello everyone how can I restore a corrupted usb drive to its original state? Please help. |
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| 21:39.18 | redscare | tacna: have you tried repairing it using a GUI frontend like gparted? |
| 21:39.31 | redscare | brb |
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| 21:44.19 | jdale | hi all |
| 21:44.25 | jdale | Could Debian run on a 512mb ram computer |
| 21:44.27 | jdale | 2.1 ghz |
| 21:44.31 | jdale | single core fx5200 |
| 21:44.34 | jdale | what dstro of Debian? |
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| 23:03.14 | wjtaylor | definitely some netscape/mozilla libraries outside the main repse |
| 23:03.16 | wjtaylor | repos |
| 23:03.31 | wjtaylor | python too... ??? |
| 23:03.40 | wjtaylor | sqlite? |
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| 23:05.13 | quleap_ | This sound device does not have any playback controls. |
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| 23:05.41 | quleap_ | why is my mixer not allowing pllayback interface now |
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| 23:07.44 | wjtaylor | what's the difference between /usr/share /usr/lib ? |
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| 23:09.20 | Kevin` | how can I tell grub2 that /boot is always on hd0? |
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| 23:13.01 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: As I said, that command will list you any packages you have installed that are not from the (old)stable archive. |
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| 23:14.17 | wjtaylor | it found a good number of mozilla ones . thanks |
| 23:14.35 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: What were you trying to achieve again? |
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| 23:15.13 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: downgrading iceweasel probably won't work, it upgrades your user files upon running a newer version for the first timem. |
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| 23:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | Kevin`: As opposed to what? |
| 23:18.25 | Section58 | http://bits.debian.org/2013/06/remove-debian-multimedia.html 'oops' |
| 23:18.58 | stratoka | hey all, i'we read that the debian-multimedia.org isn't safe anymore. This applies to deb-multimedia.org too? |
| 23:19.03 | Kevin` | jhutchins_wk: it autodetects most of the config file, including which device /boot is on, and frequently gets it wrong, preventing booting |
| 23:19.36 | petn-randall | stratoka: No. |
| 23:20.00 | stratoka | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 23:20.24 | petn-randall | stratoka: Being "not safe" is actually a bit of an exaggeration. Unless they put up a repo there and you blindly add the repo key, you can't harm your system with it. |
| 23:21.16 | jhutchins_wk | Section58: Pretty snarky of them not to include the correct address for the repo. They demanded that he stop using it, but expected him to keep it registered and safe? Didn't even offer to transfer it? |
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| 23:22.02 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: just want an iceweasel that doesn't crash |
| 23:22.20 | jhutchins_wk | stratoka: No, that's not true. |
| 23:22.30 | stratoka | petn-randall: so if i understan you correctly, the deb-multimedia.org is still a reliable repository? |
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| 23:23.20 | V155 | hi. Im trying to build acpi from the source for my architecture (armhf) because there is no compiled package in the repo. But i get an error: https://paste.xinu.at/ZIy9k/ What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:23.27 | jhutchins_wk | debian-multimedia.org points to a russian domain hoarder, deb-multimedia.org is safe and well maintained, but the debian maintainers have decided they don't like the implication that their packages are inadequate. |
| 23:23.31 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: No, he deliberately let it expire. |
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| 23:23.54 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: It's not quite that black & white. |
| 23:24.04 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Of course he did. Why would he maintain it if he can't use it? If debian wanted it, they should have transferred or re-registered it. |
| 23:25.08 | jhutchins_wk | Given that a lot of desktop users wouldn't have stuck with Debian if it weren't for him, you'd think they'd be a bit more respectful. |
| 23:25.13 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: You can read up on the discussion on the debian-devel mailinglist (IIRC), as the DPL said he couldn't use 'debian' is his domain name, he chose to let that domain expire. |
| 23:25.17 | PerfDave | Debian did offer to take over debian-multimedia.org but he let it expire rather than transferring it, and the domain squatters got it. |
| 23:26.25 | jhutchins_wk | What I've seen of the discussion doesn't put the debian people in a good light at all. They are snarky and self-centered and not at all appreciative of what he's done. |
| 23:26.45 | jhutchins_wk | ...which frankly surprizes me, I thought they were pretty decent folks. |
| 23:26.47 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: So you agree that he let the domain expire? |
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| 23:27.16 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: I don't agree, I think it's exactly what I would have doen. |
| 23:27.31 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: It's really not his responsibility. |
| 23:28.29 | jhutchins_wk | I don't necessarily disagree with the change either, I think it's a good idea to make it clear it's a thrid-party project. |
| 23:28.55 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: You seem to be a deb-multimedia partisan. :) |
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| 23:29.46 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: He made it possible for me to use Debian for some things I would have had to switch distros for. I've always found his packages to be excellent quality and very timely, and he did it all at his own expense. |
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| 23:30.48 | stratoka | i'm not a veteran debian user, but i agree with jhutchins_wk |
| 23:30.56 | user0 | Hi, i've broken my system by creating a script in /etc/init.d/ and used update-rc defaults on it while booting its freezing on my script exectution, but my grub screen was hidded, or 0 sleep time before boot ... what can i do ? |
| 23:31.11 | LordDeath | chsh -s `which zsh` |
| 23:31.18 | LordDeath | why isn't that working? |
| 23:31.23 | jhutchins_wk | user0: Boot to your rescue disk. |
| 23:31.28 | petn-randall | user0: Boot a rescue disk |
| 23:31.31 | LordDeath | I have zsh in /usr/bin/zsh |
| 23:31.35 | stratoka | nayhow, thanks for the update guys! |
| 23:32.01 | petn-randall | LordDeath: Have you checked the man page? |
| 23:32.02 | Kevin` | anyone know how I can fix the root hard drive number in grub? |
| 23:32.04 | dimitry7 | Hello, how can I check if a mail was delivered or not in postfix? |
| 23:32.10 | dimitry7 | I have my logs |
| 23:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | I think it's pretty unlikely that the Russian domain squatter who's into motorcycles will set up a functional but malign repo. |
| 23:32.20 | dimitry7 | here: http://pastebin.com/EvEwaEPC |
| 23:32.32 | zykotick9 | Kevin`: keep ubuntu issues in #ubuntu... |
| 23:32.44 | jhutchins_wk | Kevin`: Why does it need to be fixed? Has the drive number changed? |
| 23:32.47 | Kevin` | zykotick9: debian uses the same software |
| 23:32.51 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: Having good packages is only one part of being a good DD. |
| 23:32.58 | Kevin` | jhutchins_wk: yes, it moved from a raid array to a single drive |
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| 23:33.09 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: feel free to help in #ubuntu... ;) |
| 23:33.24 | jhutchins_wk | Kevin`: Can you edit the grub command line so it will boot? |
| 23:33.30 | Kevin` | zykotick9: if you have time to be an asshole, why not just answer the question? |
| 23:33.35 | Kevin` | jhutchins_wk: yes, but it has to be done every boot |
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| 23:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | Kevin`: update-grub should fix it. If not, update-grub then grub-install. |
| 23:33.59 | petn-randall | Kevin`: If it's an Ubuntu system, this is off-topic here. |
| 23:34.02 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 23:34.03 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:34.15 | jhutchins_wk | Kevin`: That's preferable to trying to edit the menu directly if you're on grub2. |
| 23:34.33 | themill | jhutchins_wk: were you helping him in #ubuntu? |
| 23:34.44 | jhutchins_wk | Not recently. |
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| 23:35.09 | zykotick9 | themill: no, i just watched the question move from #u to here. |
| 23:35.26 | wjtaylor | What's the diff between firefox and firefox-diff? |
| 23:35.31 | wjtaylor | What's the diff between firefox and firefox-bin? |
| 23:35.56 | V155 | is it possible to build a package from its sources delivered by apt for an architecture where no bin package is provided? |
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| 23:37.06 | PerfDave | V155: Depends on the package. If Debian doesn't provide a binary package for a particular arch, there's usually a reason. |
| 23:37.13 | user0 | jhutchins_wk: petn-randall tried with debian rescue mode dvd but cant mount /dev/sdaX it tells me : no such file ... |
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| 23:38.44 | V155 | PerfDave: can you please have a look at this Error? https://paste.xinu.at/ZIy9k/ |
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| 23:39.53 | user0 | please save my life !!!!! |
| 23:40.11 | petn-randall | V155: ACPI is specific to those archs, it won't work with ARM. |
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| 23:40.43 | PerfDave | V155: Uhm, pretty sure ARM systems don't use ACPI. |
| 23:41.03 | V155 | ah ok. so i have to write my own scripts to track bettery stats. |
| 23:41.04 | petn-randall | user0: What did you exactly do in rescue mode? Are you on the console? 'fdisk -l' will tell you which partitions you have. |
| 23:41.06 | V155 | thanks |
| 23:41.27 | petn-randall | V155: What were you trying to do? We might help you with that problem ... |
| 23:41.52 | user0 | petn-randall: fdisk : not found |
| 23:42.44 | V155 | petn-randall: i just want to know how much percent my battery got left. For this i usually used acpi (on x86) but I got the needed files/info at /sys/class/powersupply/ :) |
| 23:42.47 | user0 | i dont finding it looked in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin ... |
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| 23:44.31 | petn-randall | user0: which DVD are you exactly using? |
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| 23:44.31 | user0 | last debian i386 cd1 |
| 23:44.31 | rubin110 | Is there an install image for Jessy yet? |
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| 23:44.31 | rubin110 | er Jessie |
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| 23:44.31 | PerfDave | rubin110: Why would there be? It's nowhere near release. |
| 23:44.35 | petn-randall | rubin110: If you want to use jessie, install wheezy then upgrade to it. |
| 23:44.50 | petn-randall | rubin110: That's the recommended way to install. |
| 23:44.56 | rubin110 | I want to install Sid on a box, typically I start from a testing install and upgrade up. |
| 23:45.00 | petn-randall | V155: Great :) |
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