| 00:00.03 | moof2 | or 3? |
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| 00:00.42 | Robert_L | lets just get him to echo iface eth0 inet dhcp > /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:00.49 | Robert_L | it's a one liner which should do the job... |
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| 00:00.58 | Robert_L | or eth1 maybe |
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| 00:01.10 | census | moof2: iwlist scan did not work |
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| 00:01.18 | Robert_L | actually, I think it's time for me to stop making things worse :) |
| 00:01.27 | census | sharky: no do not know ip can be used |
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| 00:01.45 | moof2 | census, ok, thanks |
| 00:01.50 | sharky | census, well then we can try dhcp |
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| 00:02.06 | census | sharky; what do i do to try that? |
| 00:02.15 | sharky | census, type dhclient3 eth0 |
| 00:03.29 | census | sharky3; dhclient3 not found |
| 00:03.56 | sharky | census, try without the 3 at the end |
| 00:04.07 | sharky | just dhclient |
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| 00:04.36 | census | sharky: failed to get attributes of /etc/resolve/conf |
| 00:04.44 | census | chown and chmod were both prefixed to that |
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| 00:05.26 | sharky | census, what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" give you |
| 00:05.54 | Robert_L | strange the dhclient wouldnt just create it.. |
| 00:06.06 | sharky | yup |
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| 00:07.32 | census | sharky: 3 lines of output |
| 00:07.39 | census | nameserver 3 times with 3 different numbers at the end |
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| 00:07.55 | census | 167.206.245.130; 167.206.245.129; 192.168.1.1 |
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| 00:08.17 | sharky | census, and if you now ifconfig |
| 00:08.35 | sharky | do you only see lo again and no eth0 stuff |
| 00:08.54 | census | sharky: no, there is now eth0 stuff |
| 00:09.31 | sharky | census, hm do you have a line like inet addr:192.168.132.141 Bcast:192.168.132.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 00:09.56 | sharky | with other numbers |
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| 00:10.03 | census | sharky yes |
| 00:10.17 | census | sharky: yes there is inet adr:192.168.1.106 Bcast: 192.168.1.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:10.23 | census | that is for eth0 |
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| 00:10.32 | sharky | good, try nslookup kernel.org |
| 00:10.56 | census | nslookup command not found |
| 00:11.08 | sharky | ok then ping google.com |
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| 00:12.05 | sharky | you can stop it with ctrl + c |
| 00:12.26 | census | nothing is happening one way or the other .... |
| 00:12.37 | census | sharky: it is as if it is thinking |
| 00:12.59 | mnuhmnuh | sharky: ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:13.15 | sharky | census, what is the output of netstat -nr |
| 00:13.50 | sharky | mnuhmnuh, yes census also try ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:14.08 | census | sharky eventually it said ping: unknown host google.com |
| 00:14.41 | census | mnuhmnuh: tha tone said 1 packets trasmitted, 1 error, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 00:14.46 | sharky | census, ok your dns is definitely not working but we may repair it |
| 00:14.52 | census | from 192.168.1.105 icmp_seq=1 destination host unreachable |
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| 00:15.19 | sharky | census, try ping 192.168.1.105 |
| 00:15.31 | census | sharky: do you still want netstat -nr? |
| 00:15.35 | sharky | yes |
| 00:15.42 | mnuhmnuh | census: network is not up, dns definitely won't resolve hostnames |
| 00:15.44 | census | it is hard to type out since it is a table |
| 00:15.47 | census | do you want one aspect of it? |
| 00:16.23 | census | ping 192.168.1.105 destination host unreachable lots of times |
| 00:16.27 | sharky | census, can you copy or you type all the output by hand |
| 00:16.28 | census | ctrl+c killed |
| 00:16.30 | census | oy |
| 00:16.33 | census | i';ll do it for you |
| 00:16.49 | census | first row: destination; gateway; genmask; flag; mss; window; irtt; iface |
| 00:17.07 | census | 2nd row: 0.0.0.0; 192.168.1.1; 0.0.0.0; ug; 0; 0; 0; et0 |
| 00:17.20 | census | third row: 192.168.1.0; 0.0.0.0; 255.255.255.0; u/ 0; 0; 0; eth0 |
| 00:17.40 | sharky | hm I wonder what is wrong with your net |
| 00:17.53 | sharky | man it should work type ping localhost |
| 00:17.55 | mnuhmnuh | census: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
| 00:18.17 | sharky | mnuhmnuh, yeah thanks |
| 00:18.32 | sharky | but it should be normally up, it showed in ifconfig |
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| 00:19.14 | mnuhmnuh | sharky: it's there, but not configged with IP addy. |
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| 00:20.20 | moof2 | he's actually got a default route |
| 00:20.25 | sharky | census, try again ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:20.30 | sharky | after that |
| 00:20.37 | census | mnuhmnuh: nothing happened with i did the /sbin etc... |
| 00:20.48 | moof2 | I'd be curious if you can ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:21.08 | census | sharky: ping localhost just does repeatly 64 bytes from localhost with some othe rinfo like time |
| 00:21.26 | moof2 | so you're getting replies from localhost |
| 00:21.36 | moof2 | which is the same machine you're pingign from |
| 00:21.37 | sharky | census, ok you can stop it you know already how |
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| 00:21.48 | census | sharky; i already told you that one. it is 1 packet transmitted; 0 received; 1 error; 100% packet loss; time 0 ms |
| 00:22.11 | sharky | census, but before /sbin/... eht0 up |
| 00:22.15 | census | moof2: from 192.168.1.105 destination host unreachable |
| 00:22.24 | sharky | census, is it the same now? |
| 00:22.30 | moof2 | census, that's from ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 00:22.46 | census | moof 2 that is wha ti did |
| 00:22.51 | census | i am telling you the output for that |
| 00:22.53 | sharky | man census just type that man |
| 00:22.55 | moof2 | ok |
| 00:23.00 | sharky | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:23.00 | census | from 192.168.1.105 destination host unreachable |
| 00:23.21 | sharky | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105/24 |
| 00:23.25 | census | i apprecaite all the help but im getting a bit overwhelmed |
| 00:23.27 | census | a lot to type |
| 00:23.34 | census | i hpoe you are all clear about what i'm producign |
| 00:23.38 | census | i'mt ryign to put your individual name in |
| 00:23.40 | sharky | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:23.57 | census | sharkey: ifconfig eth0 down produced nothing |
| 00:24.00 | sharky | census, just type the last commands that I send you |
| 00:24.02 | mnuhmnuh | census: take your time & learn. no hurry :-) |
| 00:24.38 | census | sharky: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 : siocaddrt no such processs |
| 00:24.42 | sharky | census, all commands should return nothing, don't worry that is sign of success in that case |
| 00:25.20 | sharky | census, did you first type ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105/24 |
| 00:25.32 | sharky | and then route |
| 00:25.50 | census | sharky: i am typing wht you told me |
| 00:25.53 | census | so if you told me that i typed it |
| 00:25.59 | census | i wil do it again |
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| 00:26.06 | sharky | :D ok try again |
| 00:26.34 | sharky | lets do it slower firts ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:26.35 | census | sharky nothing happened |
| 00:26.44 | sharky | then ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105/24 |
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| 00:26.49 | census | sharky nothing agin |
| 00:26.52 | sharky | then route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:26.56 | census | sharky nothing again |
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| 00:27.10 | census | sharky nothing again |
| 00:27.12 | sharky | and now ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 |
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| 00:28.17 | mnuhmnuh | census: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 assuming you've a network cable plugged into a router |
| 00:28.56 | wolfmitchell | When compiling my own kernel, how would I get the makefile to generate a version.h? |
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| 00:29.36 | sharky | census, are you there? |
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| 00:29.52 | census | sharky: ping -c 1 8.8i.8.8 gives some message as before about packet loss |
| 00:30.17 | census | mnuhmnuh what do you want to know from that? |
| 00:30.21 | census | inet addr? |
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| 00:30.56 | sharky | census, it is strange your network should be set up do you have the network cable in |
| 00:30.59 | mnuhmnuh | census: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 will tell yoy whether eth0 has an IP addy. |
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| 00:32.49 | census | sharky yes i believe it is in |
| 00:32.55 | census | otherwise wrilesss shoudl in tehroy work |
| 00:33.03 | sharky | census, also it may have written 1 packet transmitted and 0% packet loss |
| 00:33.31 | sharky | or was 100% loss |
| 00:33.31 | moof2 | if there is 0 loss, then the reply was received |
| 00:33.35 | census | mnuhmnuh i todl you i see inet address |
| 00:33.50 | census | ping 8.8.8.8 you ready ? |
| 00:33.56 | census | ping -c 1 8.8.8.8. you all ready? |
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| 00:34.17 | census | ping 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 00:34.26 | census | from 192.168.1.105 icmp_seq=1 destination host unreachable |
| 00:34.31 | census | -8.8.8.8 ping statistics |
| 00:34.39 | sharky | ok we see |
| 00:34.43 | mnuhmnuh | census: then ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 should say 1 received, 0% packet loss |
| 00:34.46 | census | 1 packes transmitted, 0 received, +1 error, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 00:34.56 | census | mnuhmnuh: i have todl you awht is says |
| 00:34.59 | census | i have done that one several times |
| 00:35.03 | census | it has said the same each time |
| 00:35.05 | census | i jus ttyped it all out :) |
| 00:35.07 | moof2 | Mind if I try something here? |
| 00:35.25 | census | as long as it is not ping -c 1 8.8 8. 8 :) |
| 00:35.31 | sharky | :D |
| 00:35.32 | moof2 | no :) |
| 00:35.37 | moof2 | it won't be that |
| 00:36.05 | moof2 | I want to see if the debian extensions to the network config would work |
| 00:36.15 | moof2 | wanna try that? |
| 00:36.24 | census | i gues ? |
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| 00:36.46 | moof2 | ok, first, nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:37.29 | moof2 | and see if there are any lines containing "eth0" |
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| 00:38.04 | mnuhmnuh | hates nano :-P |
| 00:38.13 | moof2 | might be all he has |
| 00:38.18 | sharky | likes vim |
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| 00:39.33 | moof2 | census, do you see a line iface lo inet loopback? |
| 00:40.16 | sharky | moof2, I wanted to try to ping the router in his local net, I thing his interface is up and cofigured now ... |
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| 00:41.02 | moof2 | tried that earlier, .105 sent a packet saying host unreachable |
| 00:41.30 | sharky | moof2, but that was after dhclient that returned some error |
| 00:42.02 | moof2 | he may have tried it maybe twice after that |
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| 00:42.29 | moof2 | he's not replying right now... I wonder what's going on |
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| 00:43.06 | sharky | maybe writing something long |
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| 00:43.21 | moof2 | so at the moment his closest gateway is unreachable |
| 00:44.08 | sharky | I think we can try to ping it again, after the manual setup |
| 00:44.10 | moof2 | also remember he's feeling overwhelmed |
| 00:44.59 | census | sorry i needed a break |
| 00:45.02 | sharky | I can imagine that, he would feel better with user interface, but for that he needs network |
| 00:45.37 | census | moof: i'm kinda scared why did i do this nano ting? |
| 00:45.37 | mnuhmnuh | census: welcome back. havin' fun yet? :-) |
| 00:45.48 | sharky | : ))) |
| 00:45.58 | census | auto lo; iface loinet loopback moof2 is the result of nano whatever |
| 00:46.01 | nickdaly | i have to hand it to the Debian folks: Wheezy's awesome. |
| 00:46.07 | census | yes mnuhmnuh i'm really stressed out about nano now |
| 00:46.10 | census | super stressed sorry moof2 |
| 00:46.39 | census | hahahah moof2 "he's feeling overwhelmed" |
| 00:46.46 | moof2 | nickdaly, is tne nano still on your screen |
| 00:46.53 | sharky | census, there are ppl around don't be stressed, calm down |
| 00:46.56 | mnuhmnuh | census: sorry 'bout that nano crack. |
| 00:47.06 | census | can i leave nano as soon as possible? |
| 00:47.08 | census | please? how |
| 00:47.12 | census | i'm about to go back to panic attack mode again |
| 00:47.16 | nickdaly | moof2: the nano? I think you have the wrong guy. |
| 00:47.40 | moof2 | just a sec there is a reason we're in nano |
| 00:47.48 | moof2 | yeah, true wrong guy |
| 00:48.02 | census | please do we have to be in nano |
| 00:48.07 | census | i hate this black screen |
| 00:48.11 | mnuhmnuh | moof2: could'a just used cat ... |
| 00:48.17 | census | please |
| 00:48.20 | census | get me out of here |
| 00:48.21 | census | is that ok? |
| 00:48.24 | sharky | census, don't worry man |
| 00:48.26 | census | i'm really freaking otu about nano |
| 00:48.27 | census | sorry |
| 00:48.31 | dsockwell | census: change your terminal emulator to another color |
| 00:48.36 | census | how? |
| 00:48.40 | census | you say these things like i know how |
| 00:48.50 | dsockwell | just kidding, sorry, i shouldn't have said that |
| 00:48.59 | census | get me out of nano |
| 00:49.02 | mnuhmnuh | dsockwell: he has no gui |
| 00:49.03 | census | this computer is as good as dead in nano |
| 00:49.08 | moof2 | could people other than census hold off please? I'm trying to accomplish something |
| 00:49.15 | census | i'm ready to drop it out of the window in nano |
| 00:49.21 | census | sorry moof2 :) |
| 00:49.24 | census | i'm getting impatient |
| 00:49.25 | sharky | : ))) |
| 00:49.26 | census | i appreciate your help |
| 00:49.29 | census | i'm just getting antsy |
| 00:49.33 | dsockwell | yeah, sorry, i'll let you guys take care of it |
| 00:49.35 | census | i really appreciate all of your help |
| 00:49.41 | census | hope you don't mind my moodw swings hree |
| 00:49.43 | moof2 | census, try moving cursor down with down arrow |
| 00:49.52 | census | no cursor |
| 00:49.57 | census | if there is one it is black so i don't see it |
| 00:50.07 | census | oh i think i see a white think blkinkging? |
| 00:50.13 | census | aaaaaaaaaaah nano |
| 00:50.16 | moof2 | try hitting it like 5 times |
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| 00:50.55 | moof2 | do you see something blinking on the left, below the iface lo inet loopback? |
| 00:50.58 | census | why? |
| 00:51.00 | census | what arewe doign? |
| 00:51.04 | census | yes i tis below alll of that |
| 00:51.10 | census | i am now like 10 lines below those lines |
| 00:51.13 | moof2 | altering the interfaces file |
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| 00:51.27 | census | huh? |
| 00:51.29 | census | nano is crazy |
| 00:51.31 | census | hahhah |
| 00:51.36 | census | sorry nano is putting me in a crazy mood |
| 00:51.36 | moof2 | ok, that's fine, now type this: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:52.29 | moof2 | do you see what you type show up on the screen? |
| 00:52.31 | census | i think nano is like a psycedelic |
| 00:52.34 | census | meant to mess with your brain |
| 00:52.50 | nickdaly | census: just try vim. it's weirder than emacs. |
| 00:52.58 | census | moof2 nothing is happening |
| 00:52.59 | census | i typed that i think |
| 00:53.04 | census | nickdaly get me out of nano then |
| 00:53.09 | sharky | census, don't worry the black screen man, it is actually very powerful |
| 00:53.17 | moof2 | and it did not appear on the screen? |
| 00:53.19 | census | sharky it is about to give me a panic attack |
| 00:53.23 | census | moof2 i don't know |
| 00:53.27 | census | i tpyhed what you said and i hit enter |
| 00:53.29 | sharky | no |
| 00:53.31 | census | can we please leave nano? |
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| 00:53.35 | nickdaly | census: stick with nano for the moment, you'll be all right. |
| 00:53.37 | census | sharky no to what? |
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| 00:53.43 | sharky | no panic |
| 00:53.45 | census | aaahhh nano |
| 00:53.47 | census | i just like whining |
| 00:53.48 | census | i hope that i sok |
| 00:53.53 | census | nano is giving me someting to yell about |
| 00:54.04 | sharky | so you like it? |
| 00:54.09 | census | no i hate it |
| 00:54.11 | census | i don't like debian |
| 00:54.15 | census | but i really hate nano righ tnow |
| 00:54.31 | census | shadow`` hi!!!!!! |
| 00:54.51 | dekiss | can I ask web dev question here? |
| 00:54.53 | census | oh shadow quit :( |
| 00:54.58 | census | no :P |
| 00:55.02 | census | hahah just kidding |
| 00:55.11 | moof2 | not sure what's going on. ok, hold the ctrl key down, and press X |
| 00:55.31 | census | and then? |
| 00:55.37 | moof2 | btw, nano is very easy to figure out |
| 00:55.39 | census | now it says at the vottom save modified buffer |
| 00:55.42 | census | NANO |
| 00:55.49 | moof2 | say y for yes |
| 00:56.02 | census | yay nano is GONE |
| 00:56.06 | census | GONE FOREVER |
| 00:56.08 | census | BYE NANO |
| 00:56.10 | census | hahahha |
| 00:56.14 | census | sorry nano was making me go crazy |
| 00:56.26 | census | ok i feel a little calmer |
| 00:56.29 | moof2 | ok, now do this: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:56.37 | dekiss | how can I make when textarea is clicked cursor to be at first character so visitor can't move cursor across the textarea with clicking on mouse button? |
| 00:56.45 | census | moof2 i think i did that like 10 times already |
| 00:56.47 | moof2 | do it again |
| 00:56.56 | census | nothing happened then, nothing now |
| 00:57.07 | moof2 | good, now type: ifup eth0 |
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| 00:58.00 | moof2 | and tell me what happens |
| 00:58.46 | moof2 | hmm, my time is short... |
| 00:59.15 | census | ignoring unknown interface etho = eth0 |
| 00:59.15 | fabio | hi, when i use debian 7.. after installation, os is ready to use or i need an heavy setup? |
| 00:59.37 | moof2 | ok, when you used nano, it didn't save the right stuff to the file |
| 00:59.45 | moof2 | try this: |
| 00:59.47 | sharky | fabio, it is ready to use |
| 01:00.14 | jpinx_ | does " aptitude --schedule-only " download the .debs ? |
| 01:00.22 | moof2 | echo "iface eth0 inet dhcp" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:00.32 | fabio | sharky: tnx.. and.. 4 very stable desktop which DE i can choose? |
| 01:00.50 | moof2 | make sure the line is exactly like that before hitting enter |
| 01:01.15 | moof2 | especially the >> |
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| 01:01.15 | census | moof2 nothing happened |
| 01:01.15 | moof2 | great. |
| 01:01.17 | moof2 | try again: ifup eth0 |
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| 01:02.10 | census | moof2 a bunch of stuff. anyhthing in particular? |
| 01:02.10 | sharky | fabio, well I like Xfce4, but kde and gnome are also stable now |
| 01:02.10 | census | now it is doig dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.25 .255 |
| 01:02.10 | census | i thinjk it is still thinking] |
| 01:02.10 | moof2 | great |
| 01:02.33 | sharky | fabio, I think you will be fine with kde |
| 01:02.33 | sharky | fabio, it is more intuitive |
| 01:02.35 | fabio | sharky: i hate kde.. gnome 2? |
| 01:03.07 | census | moof2 it ended with no dhcpoffers received |
| 01:03.07 | census | no workign lesaes in persistent database - sleeping |
| 01:03.24 | fabio | sharky.. maybe xfce4 |
| 01:03.58 | qman__ | I like lxde |
| 01:03.58 | sharky | fabio, well then choose what you like, if you install gnome with the package manager it will install gnome 3 i think |
| 01:03.58 | moof2 | ok, so right now, I think it could be the cable is connected to the wrong interface on your machine (it may be connected to eth1 instead) |
| 01:03.58 | qman__ | it's visually and functionally similar to gnome2 |
| 01:04.07 | qman__ | but lighter and faster |
| 01:04.20 | sharky | fabio, yup xfce4 is light and stable |
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| 01:04.33 | fabio | sharky: did u know about battery performance? |
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| 01:05.12 | dsockwell | xfce4 doesn't have many dumb things to waste your battery |
| 01:05.33 | dsockwell | unless you really want them |
| 01:05.35 | sharky | fabio, nope, I think it depends on your hardware |
| 01:05.47 | queso | How do I remove some deb-multimedia packages that gnome depends on? basically I want to remove that repo from my system and use only debian packages. So I need to downgrade some packages somehow.. |
| 01:07.50 | queso | Oh, I see, Aptitude can suggest previous versions. |
| 01:08.29 | fabio | sharky, which iso is the proper choice 4 setup an xfce DE? |
| 01:09.28 | sharky | fabio, debian-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 01:09.31 | census | moof2 meaning .. ? |
| 01:10.02 | sharky | fabio, if your architecture is 64 bit, if not then 386 |
| 01:11.00 | queso | Is there a more direct way to say "downgrade this package" or "use a version of this package from such and such repo" instead of paging ad infinitum through aptitude's dependency resolution suggestions? |
| 01:11.02 | sharky | fabio, you can download from here ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:11.43 | moof2 | census, meaning a cable might be in the wrong place or disconnected |
| 01:12.04 | fabio | sharky, tnx.. finally i can safely use all base software such browser etc or it's better use more updated version? |
| 01:12.45 | moof2 | queso, downgrading is something that is purposely not supported, due to a decision made a long time ago |
| 01:13.07 | sharky | queso, maybe remove the package and then try to install previous version, but downgrading is normally not so straight forward process, so you can expect everything |
| 01:13.24 | census | moof2 if there is a problem witht he cable then it must the comptue rtiself |
| 01:13.36 | census | when i plug the cable into the laptop it is fine on that mchine |
| 01:13.40 | census | a differnet laptop, tha tis |
| 01:13.58 | moof2 | so this is a laptop you're installing on? |
| 01:14.06 | census | yes |
| 01:14.12 | census | i have 2 laptops |
| 01:14.16 | moof2 | we can test this pretty simply |
| 01:14.22 | moof2 | do this: |
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| 01:14.49 | moof2 | echo "iface eth1 inet dhcp" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:14.59 | moof2 | then do: ifdown eth0 |
| 01:15.51 | census | what do you wnat to know about that? |
| 01:15.52 | sharky | fabio, you can use everything, newest browsers and what not, xfce4 is just the window manager |
| 01:15.53 | moof2 | (note: ifup, ifdown and /etc/network/interfaces are part of a system that's built on top of regular linux networking) |
| 01:15.54 | census | it retuend a few luines of info |
| 01:15.57 | queso | moof2, sharky: Okay, I suppose I'll just leave the packages on there that I can't get downgraded through Aptitude. Eventually I suppose a new version will hit the standard debian repos that is newer to replace the deb-multimedia ones. Some of these I can't remove and reinstall because it will remove half my system. :) |
| 01:16.19 | census | listening on lpf/eth0/00:06:1b:32:d3:be |
| 01:16.26 | census | sneidng on lpf/eth0/00:06:b:d2:d3:be |
| 01:16.29 | census | senindg on socket/failback |
| 01:16.49 | mnuhmnuh | queso: been there. :-( |
| 01:16.54 | moof2 | census, it should have released it when you did the ifdown eth0 |
| 01:17.15 | moof2 | census, let's try eth1: try ifup eth1 |
| 01:17.16 | fabio | sharky: your opinion? 4 example, u use the default debian browser & e-mail client or not? |
| 01:17.20 | census | don't know what you mean by release. by release you mean a response of nothing moof2 ? |
| 01:17.36 | census | similar output to before |
| 01:17.47 | census | now als, a few lines of dhcpdiscvoer on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 por67 at the end |
| 01:17.50 | sharky | queso, I think that is the wiser decision, and if *must* do it, then probably test on backed up image in virtualbox, not to trash your system |
| 01:17.51 | moof2 | got any dhcpoffers? |
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| 01:18.05 | census | no, dhcpdocvoers |
| 01:18.20 | census | discover that is |
| 01:18.34 | moof2 | is it still trying? |
| 01:19.01 | census | no it now stopped moof2 |
| 01:19.09 | sharky | fabio, I use firefox and thunderbird, I think I like mozilla, but standartd are also ok |
| 01:19.14 | census | it ended with no dhcpoffers received. no workign leases in persistend atabase. sleeping |
| 01:19.17 | moof2 | and there were at least one DHCPDISCOVER? |
| 01:19.18 | queso | sharky: None of the packages have given me any trouble. I'm just wanting to remove dependency on 3rd party stuff so I have a cleaner system. I'll leave it as it is, she's been running fine. Thanks for your help. |
| 01:19.50 | sharky | ;) |
| 01:19.52 | moof2 | and also no DHCPOFFERs? |
| 01:20.07 | queso | Now if anyone knows of a decent, up-to-date NX client & server.. the nomachine stuff hasn't been updated in a while it looks like, and this x2go stuff is ... well, what in the world is going in with the UI/interface? |
| 01:20.17 | census | moof2 i told you it said no dhcpoffers received |
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| 01:20.46 | moof2 | ok. it sounds like there is no media over which the packets go... check both sides of the cable |
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| 01:20.57 | fabio | sharky: ok! tnx 4 urs precious help! bye |
| 01:21.17 | moof2 | also type: ifdown eth1 |
| 01:21.22 | sharky | fabio, ;) bye and enjoy your debian |
| 01:21.46 | census | moof2: output like before |
| 01:21.50 | census | ending with sending on socket/failback |
| 01:21.57 | moof2 | ok |
| 01:22.25 | fabio | sharky: i wish :) |
| 01:22.30 | moof2 | what is the cable on the other end connected to? |
| 01:22.46 | census | moof2 don't know what you are asking |
| 01:22.56 | census | i have a wirite. pluggged in from the laptop to the router |
| 01:23.04 | census | both laptops have such wires |
| 01:23.09 | sharky | queso, do you want to forward X |
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| 01:24.09 | queso | sharky: I want an NX client/server setup and was wondering if there was an open source solution that has matured. |
| 01:24.22 | queso | sharky: otherwise I will try NoMachine's packages again. |
| 01:24.52 | moof2 | census, so the other side of the cable is connected to your router? how many possible sockets are there on the router? |
| 01:26.08 | moof2 | queso, maybe you could install squeeze from scratch, then install the packages you want |
| 01:26.36 | census | a few |
| 01:26.49 | census | but i don't think it is the routers or the wire becuas if i swtich them with the other laptop they beahve fin |
| 01:27.40 | sharky | queso, well I think NX server does more things, I have virtualization server and use xpra to access virtualbox on the remote server |
| 01:27.43 | moof2 | census, take a look at dmesg | less |
| 01:27.54 | moof2 | anything there talk about firmware? |
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| 01:28.12 | census | it says bash: less: command not found |
| 01:28.31 | moof2 | ok, make it more instead |
| 01:28.37 | moof2 | census, take a look at dmesg | more |
| 01:28.39 | sharky | queso, it is like X over ssh but you can reconnect to a session if connection breaks |
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| 01:28.48 | census | moof2: wow there is a whole lot |
| 01:29.02 | mnuhmnuh | census: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 01:29.02 | census | pages and pages ooutput moof2 |
| 01:29.03 | moof2 | yeah, it's longish |
| 01:29.25 | moof2 | you can try /firmware |
| 01:29.40 | census | thank mnuhmnuh |
| 01:29.47 | census | that makes it easy and possible to process |
| 01:29.51 | census | yes thare are abou 8 ilnes |
| 01:30.00 | census | do you want me to type them all out? |
| 01:30.08 | moof2 | not necessarily |
| 01:30.10 | census | thinkpad_acpi: WARNING Outdated thinkpagd BIOS?EC firmware |
| 01:30.18 | census | this firmway may be missing critical bug fixes and/or important features |
| 01:30.32 | census | platorom radeon_cp.0: firmawage; agent aborted loading radeon/R100_cp.bin (not found ?) |
| 01:30.41 | moof2 | could you look at them and see if you can tell if it represents a problem |
| 01:30.45 | census | drm:r100_cp_init ERROR failed to load firmware! |
| 01:30.50 | moof2 | I have about 5 mins left |
| 01:31.00 | moof2 | sharky: thank you very much for your patience |
| 01:31.03 | census | platform radeon_cp.0 firmware agent aboreted loading radeon-R_cp.bin (not found?) |
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| 01:31.11 | census | drm:r100_cp_init ERROR failed to load firmware! |
| 01:31.22 | census | moof2 it does not look good, ikn sum |
| 01:31.24 | sharky | moof2, did you mean census :D |
| 01:31.33 | census | firmware: agent loaded ipw2100-1.3.f2 into memory |
| 01:31.47 | census | moof2 thank you! |
| 01:32.04 | census | IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x03 buttons 3/3 |
| 01:32.06 | moof2 | sharky, actually I meant you: I asked for some space, you granted it. |
| 01:32.14 | census | moof2 did i remember |
| 01:32.21 | mnuhmnuh | census: fyi - http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:32.25 | sharky | moof2, ohh I see, all good man ;) |
| 01:32.34 | census | that was before i started freaking out about nano hahahaha |
| 01:32.52 | census | sharky if antyhign i was not patient with nano :) |
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| 01:33.22 | sharky | census, you are alright man, you have potential to like debian :D |
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| 01:33.42 | census | i use cygwin for perl |
| 01:33.47 | queso | sharky: Yeah, thanks, I've used xpra before. I think I'll just go with NoMachine's implementation of NX again, it's been reliable. |
| 01:33.50 | census | moof2 so what should i do abourt firmware? ti does not look good |
| 01:34.16 | moof2 | I need to leave in about 2 mins... census: your next step is to resolve your firmware issues, get help from the smart folks here... |
| 01:34.55 | moof2 | once the firmware issues are resolved, yuou're probably good to go to try ifup eth0 or ifup eth1 |
| 01:35.33 | sharky | queso, ;) I need to try it too |
| 01:35.40 | census | sharky: can you help with firmware? :) |
| 01:35.47 | census | mnuhmnuh: can you help with firmware? :) |
| 01:36.05 | dsockwell | queso: what's NX got that xpra doesn't? |
| 01:36.11 | moof2 | also, it seems like your wireless firmware -did- load |
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| 01:36.44 | sharky | moof2, is it his firmaware? I did not read all your convo |
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| 01:37.30 | moof2 | not sure, but he has messages in his dmesg that suggest some firmware didn't load |
| 01:37.51 | mnuhmnuh | census: http://paste.debian.net/10647/ |
| 01:38.09 | sharky | moof2, ok |
| 01:38.16 | moof2 | it's probably a simple matter of installing the firmware on his machine, which still doesn't have net |
| 01:38.47 | census | mnuhmnuh what about that? |
| 01:39.42 | sharky | census, should we try to resolve the things? |
| 01:39.50 | mnuhmnuh | census: that's what you have to choose from on wheezy. find the one for your nic, get it, install it, be happy. :-) |
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| 01:40.14 | census | yes sharky :) |
| 01:40.20 | sharky | mnuhmnuh, he does not have network |
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| 01:40.40 | sharky | census, but we need to try to ping again and what not |
| 01:40.51 | mnuhmnuh | sharky: ... on that machine. he has > 1 machine. |
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| 01:41.03 | census | yay ping |
| 01:41.15 | sharky | mnuhmnuh, i see |
| 01:41.39 | sharky | census, ok is you interface now up? |
| 01:41.43 | sharky | eth0 |
| 01:41.52 | census | interace? |
| 01:42.00 | sharky | you can check it with ifconfig |
| 01:42.09 | census | how? |
| 01:42.15 | sharky | yes network interface that is eth0 |
| 01:42.24 | census | what exactly sharky? |
| 01:42.26 | census | i don' follow |
| 01:42.29 | sharky | just type ifconfig and see if eth0 is there |
| 01:42.40 | census | no |
| 01:42.43 | census | only lo |
| 01:43.06 | nickdaly | is the amd64-microcode package necessary? What's its purpose? |
| 01:43.07 | sharky | ok then please do next commands |
| 01:43.45 | sharky | census, no first something else |
| 01:44.03 | census | what |
| 01:44.04 | sharky | census, are you on windows machine right now that you are chatting from |
| 01:44.08 | census | yes |
| 01:44.09 | mnuhmnuh | nickdaly: not installed here (wheezy). |
| 01:44.10 | themill | dpkg: tell nickdaly about cross-post |
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| 01:44.34 | sharky | can you tell me your ip and network for that machine |
| 01:44.56 | sharky | census, is it 7 or what windows it is |
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| 01:45.03 | census | xp |
| 01:45.04 | mnuhmnuh | nickdaly: aptitude show amd64-microcode |
| 01:45.11 | census | i don't know ip or network |
| 01:45.49 | sharky | ok on the start menu button |
| 01:46.06 | sharky | where the run is can you type cmd and press enter |
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| 01:46.47 | census2 | sharkey this is census |
| 01:46.48 | census2 | sharky |
| 01:46.55 | census2 | just here as a backup |
| 01:46.59 | sharky | ok census2 |
| 01:47.05 | census2 | by the way, must that computer be plugged in to the router? |
| 01:47.15 | census2 | my body is killing me. i'd like to be a little more mobile. |
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| 01:47.56 | sharky | census2, yes it must be |
| 01:48.03 | sharky | with the cable |
| 01:48.15 | census2 | well i'm going to be off the cable for a bit. i can't do anything on the wireless? |
| 01:48.23 | census2 | my body is killing me |
| 01:48.51 | census2 | if i have to be on the ethernet all the time for debian this does not sound like a good deal |
| 01:48.57 | census2 | i don't even care right now if debian has internet |
| 01:49.02 | census2 | i just want to read .pdf files |
| 01:49.24 | mnuhmnuh | census: your wifi is up and configged?!? ping works? |
| 01:49.34 | census | my wifi works on my other laptop |
| 01:49.44 | sharky | census2, I meant for now, after you have your UI you can set up wifi too |
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| 01:50.12 | census | well i need a break is that ok |
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| 01:50.20 | census | i don't want to be on the cable is that ok? |
| 01:50.51 | sharky | census, the easiest way to setup your network is with cable for now |
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| 01:51.19 | sharky | then you can install the missing software and use mouse and windows and buttons |
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| 01:53.20 | sharky | census, if you are tired you can leave it for tomorrow or other day, it is not the end of world or something |
| 01:54.35 | census | yes it is the end of the world |
| 01:54.39 | census | my back is killing me |
| 01:54.44 | census | i want that comptuer to work |
| 01:54.46 | census | i don't care about intenret |
| 01:54.50 | census | i have internert on this one |
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| 01:56.06 | sharky | census2, well there are 2 options either we type now a lot of commands to try to resolve your issue with that network |
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| 01:56.36 | census2 | i'm ok typign a lot commands |
| 01:56.43 | sharky | or you can download the real *.iso file and try to install again |
| 01:56.43 | census2 | i've wated a day installing and another day crying about debian |
| 01:56.51 | census2 | the real .iso? |
| 01:56.55 | census2 | i did the fake one? |
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| 01:56.58 | census2 | do i need a new cd? |
| 01:57.01 | census2 | or can i use the same cd? |
| 01:57.24 | sharky | you used netinst or so which is minimal and make network installation |
| 01:57.25 | census2 | i'm not going to be on the cable anymore tonight. my body cannot handle it |
| 01:57.40 | Skymont | so what are the best ways to protect your internet security and privacy |
| 01:57.46 | census2 | can i use the same cd? |
| 01:57.51 | sharky | you can download one cd and install withouth network what so ever |
| 01:58.06 | census | sharky i don't understand |
| 01:58.13 | census | i had an .iso i burnt to a cd |
| 01:58.19 | sharky | census, what is not clear |
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| 01:58.30 | Skymont | how do you protect yourself from big brother government PRISM |
| 01:58.42 | census | do you understand what i did? step 1. download .iso. step 2. burn to cd. step 3. put cd in other computer |
| 01:58.51 | sharky | census, download this one ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 01:58.54 | census | sharky: you are telling me i did step 1 wrong? so i need a new .iso |
| 01:59.01 | census | can i use the same cd in step 2 that i used previously? |
| 01:59.16 | sharky | census, not wrong but you used network install iso |
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| 01:59.32 | census | sharky whatever. can i use the same cd? yes/no ? |
| 01:59.43 | sharky | better not |
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| 01:59.52 | sharky | use the new one only |
| 01:59.53 | census | well i'm not getting another one tonight |
| 01:59.55 | census | my back hurts too much |
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| 02:00.20 | census | sharky i was wondering whether i can erase the contents o fht ecurrent cd and put the new contents onto it? |
| 02:00.24 | census | like reformat? |
| 02:00.26 | sharky | yes that is why I am telling you this so that you can try tomorrow a new fresh install |
| 02:00.39 | census | i hate debian so far |
| 02:00.42 | census | it is killing my mody |
| 02:00.45 | census | body |
| 02:00.55 | themill | census, sharky: If the wireless chip needs firmware, then getting the kde iso won't help that |
| 02:01.08 | sharky | census, it will ask you during installation and you will say yes format and erase them and install fresh |
| 02:01.10 | census | thanks themill |
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| 02:02.08 | jmcnaught | census: you could use the netinst CD you already have if you download the firmware tarball and unpack it to a USB stick. you can plug that stick into your computer during the debian installation and it will install your wifi firmware. then you can connect to your wifi network (you need to know network name and password/key) during the installation |
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| 02:02.55 | sharky | themill, I doubt it is the firmware, but I think he is not in mood to type many commands to check the network |
| 02:02.56 | census | jmcnaught: thank you but that overwhelmed me a bit |
| 02:02.58 | census | slow down |
| 02:03.09 | census | sharky i am in the mood to type lots of commands |
| 02:03.15 | census | sharky that is the one thing i am in the mood for actually |
| 02:03.18 | jmcnaught | census: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware explains this and other options |
| 02:03.36 | themill | sharky: do we know what chipset it is? what driver? |
| 02:03.41 | census | i don't mind typing ping 8.8.8.8 lots of times in fact if that would help |
| 02:03.59 | sharky | themill, that is why I am trying at to give him advice for tomorrow to use the kde cd to install, now he is in console from netinst |
| 02:04.12 | jmcnaught | census: basically the debian installer can load firmware from a usb stick during the installation. then you can connect to wifi during the install, and download all the packages necessary to have a complete working system |
| 02:04.26 | sharky | themill, I think yes just a sec |
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| 02:05.06 | wsirc_7789 | Hello? |
| 02:05.12 | census | jmcnaught that sounds good |
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| 02:05.22 | census | jmcnaught but i'm not sure exactly what you would like me to do .... |
| 02:05.24 | wsirc_7789 | I am banned from freenode for having an open proxy because iptables simply wont save itself. |
| 02:05.46 | sharky | themill, <census> 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PPRO/100 VE (MOB) Ethernet Controller (rev 81) |
| 02:05.46 | census | wsirc_7789: proxies do not seem welcome here dpeending on the proxy ... |
| 02:05.50 | wsirc_7789 | I've googled all over which states the iptables-save command which I knew about |
| 02:05.54 | wsirc_7789 | which didn't work |
| 02:06.09 | themill | sharky: hmm.. that's not a wireless chip |
| 02:06.21 | wsirc_7789 | census: I don't have this proxy available to the internet, is it firewalled off by iptables but it wont save so it wont survive a reboot. |
| 02:06.26 | sharky | themill, he has the cable in |
| 02:06.32 | Skymont | wsirc_7789, the government is monitoring everything you do on the internet |
| 02:06.42 | wsirc_7789 | Skymont: And? |
| 02:06.46 | sharky | themill, we are trying to set up eth0 |
| 02:06.55 | wsirc_7789 | How do I save iptables? |
| 02:07.05 | themill | sharky: oh... there should be nothing to do |
| 02:07.06 | wsirc_7789 | the iptables-save command doesn't work and never did work.. |
| 02:07.19 | sharky | themill, you think :D |
| 02:08.05 | wsirc_7789 | Guys? |
| 02:08.14 | wsirc_7789 | I asked about this last time but nobody would help me. |
| 02:08.36 | themill | !iptables-persistent |
| 02:08.38 | dpkg | hmm... iptables-restore is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for more examples. You can run iptables-restore manually, from an interface hook script (see interfaces(5) for information about "pre-up" scripts) or from an init script provided by the iptables-persistent package. |
| 02:08.39 | wsirc_7789 | they said to use the iptables-save command which I tried numerous times before ever seeking for help, it doesn't work. |
| 02:08.56 | themill | You need to provide more information than "it doesn't work" if you want help |
| 02:09.07 | sharky | census, ok lets see you network from your windows |
| 02:09.08 | census | sharky: cable is no longe rin |
| 02:09.45 | census | sharky: ok what should i do? |
| 02:09.55 | sharky | can you press the start menu, then in the run on the right write cmd |
| 02:10.00 | sharky | then enter |
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| 02:10.21 | jmcnaught | census: when you installed debian did it ask you about missing firmware? if you download the firmware.tar.gz file and extract its contents to a USB stick, the debian installer can find the missing firmware and properly configure the device |
| 02:10.47 | census | jmcnaught: missing something. i believe firmware. and yes i put something on a usb stick |
| 02:10.57 | census | jmcnaught: i really appreciate your help |
| 02:11.18 | census | but when you write so much it is hard for me to take it in at once. i'm barely computer literate so i need simpler thoughts at a time if tha ti sok |
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| 02:12.06 | wsirc_7789 | themill: ANd that's it? |
| 02:12.08 | census | sharky: in a cmd |
| 02:12.11 | wsirc_7789 | How do I confirm it worked? |
| 02:12.22 | sharky | census, are in cmd? |
| 02:12.26 | census | yes sharky |
| 02:12.30 | themill | wsirc_7789: how do you confirm that it doesn't? |
| 02:12.31 | jmcnaught | census: http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html this page of the debian installation manual explains it |
| 02:12.39 | sharky | ok type ipconfig /all |
| 02:12.41 | wsirc_7789 | themill: ... |
| 02:12.44 | wsirc_7789 | what? |
| 02:13.11 | jmcnaught | census: my suggestions are of course an alternative to the help sharky and themill are recommending :) |
| 02:13.33 | mnuhmnuh | !iptables-persistent |
| 02:13.34 | dpkg | from memory, iptables-restore is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for more examples. You can run iptables-restore manually, from an interface hook script (see interfaces(5) for information about "pre-up" scripts) or from an init script provided by the iptables-persistent package. |
| 02:13.53 | sharky | census, I would like to know the numbers of ip and gateway |
| 02:14.12 | wsirc_7789 | mnuhmnuh: I already read that! |
| 02:14.30 | census | jmcnaught i apprecate it |
| 02:14.39 | mnuhmnuh | wsirc_7789: it doesn't sound like you did. |
| 02:14.39 | census | but again i am barely computer literature |
| 02:14.48 | census | whil ei think you are onto something i appreciagte how sharky is very hands on :) |
| 02:15.01 | wsirc_7789 | mnuhmnuh: Then clearly I didn't understand something in the doc. |
| 02:15.10 | census | sharky: ip and gateway for ethernet wireless? |
| 02:15.35 | sharky | census, yes wireless will do too, it is the same network |
| 02:15.36 | census | ip: 192.168.1.142; default gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:15.54 | census | sharky: are those the numbers you wanted? |
| 02:16.03 | sharky | alright then we tried to setup the right network |
| 02:16.07 | sharky | yes |
| 02:16.29 | sharky | we will try to setup the network again manually |
| 02:16.45 | sharky | census, are you ready |
| 02:17.36 | wsirc_7789 | abrotman: No clones please. |
| 02:17.47 | sharky | census, write as root (the "#" prompt) in your debian |
| 02:17.56 | wsirc_7789 | abrotman: Please remove aboman from the channel, thank you! |
| 02:17.58 | sharky | ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 02:18.20 | sharky | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105/24 |
| 02:18.36 | mmnicolas | wsirc_7789: who are you ? you're obviously new here |
| 02:18.36 | sharky | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:18.42 | themill | wsirc_7789: perhaps you should focus on fixing your problem... |
| 02:18.48 | census | sharky i am ready! |
| 02:18.49 | wsirc_7789 | mmnicolas: HelenaKitty |
| 02:18.58 | sharky | census, and all the commands should no output |
| 02:19.35 | sharky | census, did you write them? |
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| 02:20.01 | census | first one with ifconfig has no ouptut |
| 02:20.18 | census | 2nd one with route add has no output |
| 02:20.27 | census | ok did 2/2 |
| 02:20.44 | sharky | census, also the 3rd one route ... |
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| 02:23.12 | census | sharky where is the 3rd one? |
| 02:24.21 | sharky | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
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| 02:25.35 | census | yes i arleadyd did that sharkey |
| 02:25.47 | census | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105/24 and route add deaflut gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:26.00 | sharky | ok |
| 02:26.12 | sharky | now lets try to ping |
| 02:26.36 | sharky | ping -c 3 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:26.43 | mmnicolas | why dont you just edit /etc/network/interfaces and have a look at "man interfaces" |
| 02:27.34 | sharky | and watch for lines with some numbers and ms at the end |
| 02:27.59 | sharky | we need to know if your interface is fully working |
| 02:28.10 | sharky | or is it going to be firmware problem |
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| 02:28.53 | census | sharky: i see a few lines with ms |
| 02:28.53 | census | last lines: |
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| 02:29.08 | sharky | census, good now ping -c 3 192.168.1.105 |
| 02:29.14 | census | 3 packets trasnmitted, 3 recdeived, 0 percent packet loss, time 2003 ms; rtt mins/avg/max/mdev = 0.024/0.035/0.57/0.016 ms ? |
| 02:29.24 | abrotman | wsirc_7789: can i help you? |
| 02:30.07 | sharky | census, its good for now |
| 02:30.12 | sharky | make next ping |
| 02:30.22 | sharky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.37 | census | sharky: this ping of 3 192.168.1.105 is the same just slightly diffrerent nubmers at the end |
| 02:30.48 | census | sharky yes i just did that. you typed that earlier |
| 02:31.01 | sharky | ok now ping -c 3 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:31.49 | sharky | is it similar? |
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| 02:33.25 | census | sharky no it is not |
| 02:33.39 | census | 3 packets trasmitted, 0 received, 3 errors, 100 percent loss, time 2014 ms pipe 3 |
| 02:33.43 | census | deinstaion host unreachable throughout |
| 02:34.08 | mcrandello | trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong, installed the bumblebee-nvidia package, now the system is trying to load nvidia's GL libs during X startup. |
| 02:34.31 | sharky | census, interesting, lets try to ping google ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 |
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| 02:35.28 | mcrandello | running update-alternatives --config glx tells me that nvidia is the only one installed on the system, although I installed the libgl-mesa-dri package as the glx-alternatives-mesa description recommended |
| 02:36.10 | mcrandello | was having no problem using the intel dri until installing bumblebee-nvidia, any ideas? |
| 02:36.15 | sharky | census, how is the output? |
| 02:36.21 | census | sharky: 3 packets trasnmitted, 0 received 3 errors 100 percent loss |
| 02:37.09 | SuperPhly | Is there some documentation on running a newer version of a debian package than what's installed? For instance, I have debian 6.0 but i want to run a package from debian 7.0 |
| 02:37.29 | mcrandello | SuperPhly, in my experience that only ever ends in tears |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | !tell SuperPhly about ssb |
| 02:37.50 | themill | SuperPhly: "don't do that". You can looks at squeeze-backports to see if selected packages are there for you, or upgrade to wheezy |
| 02:38.10 | sharky | census, I suppose something with the connection of the cable to the router is not good |
| 02:38.29 | mcrandello | not saying it can't be done, it just usually involves updating a whole bunch of stuff and then in the end it segfaults and you have a broken system and wind up just flattening the system |
| 02:38.42 | census | sharky: i am off the cable and now on the wireless |
| 02:38.59 | sharky | census, what we have until now is that your router is at 192.168.1.1 and is working because you are connected with your windows |
| 02:39.19 | SuperPhly | found it in back ports, would it be easier to just download the .deb and dpkg -i ? |
| 02:39.20 | sharky | census, but you are on wireless on your windows machine, the other laptop is with cable right? |
| 02:39.53 | themill | SuperPhly: probably not. Read the instructions on backports.debian.org |
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| 02:40.31 | DMJC | ok, something has broken my system in a big way, I can't login with my user account, root access still works, I'm getting errors about permission denied when trying to run sudo username |
| 02:40.44 | DMJC | but my /etc/sudoers file has correct permissions |
| 02:41.06 | DMJC | I think something in /lib may have an incorrect permissions |
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| 02:41.32 | census | sharky: no both are wireless now |
| 02:41.34 | themill | DMJC: what changed to cause this? the full output in a pastebin might be good. |
| 02:41.43 | sharky | census, the debian machine need the cable to the router |
| 02:42.00 | census | well i said before i am off the calbe for the night |
| 02:42.17 | sharky | census, we are not setting up wireless for now on the debian machine, because it is more difficult that that |
| 02:42.30 | wsirc_7789 | abrotman: Now I'm going to ask you nicely. Please remove your clone "aboman". Thank you! |
| 02:42.50 | sharky | census, but u need to connect the machine with a cable |
| 02:42.57 | mcrandello | Is there some other package besides "libgl-mesa-dri" I'd need to install to make update-alternatives happy that I have proper GL for my intel card? |
| 02:43.03 | themill | wsirc_7789: stop being clueless pita. Thanks. |
| 02:43.11 | mcrandello | I think once that's happy then xorg will be too |
| 02:43.11 | sharky | census, otherwise there is no connection |
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| 02:43.17 | census | sharky well i told you that my body cannot handle it |
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| 02:43.22 | *** kick/#debian [wsirc_7789!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better) |
| 02:43.22 | census | i need rest from the desk |
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| 02:44.14 | sharky | census, can you connect the cable and still be comfortable? make small rearrange |
| 02:44.25 | census | maybe in a bit |
| 02:44.27 | census | i need a break |
| 02:44.37 | census | is there anything else i can do? |
| 02:44.46 | jmcnaught | census: if you end up trying to reinstall from scratch, read that page about firmware that i linked to: http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html you can probably avoid all these problems doing it this way |
| 02:44.57 | DMJC | themill, I don't actually know the cause other than I manually extracted google earth from it's .deb package which didn't cause it. |
| 02:45.00 | SuperPhly | What am I doing wrong? Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 02:45.08 | DMJC | But when I clicked on the postinst script, that's what nuked it. |
| 02:45.10 | sharky | well if you connect your debian with cable now internet should work |
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| 02:45.21 | themill | SuperPhly: that's the wrong url for squeeze-backports. |
| 02:45.44 | DMJC | the files all appear to still exist on the system so I suspect permissions but it could be a missing file. Nothing can run like gdm etc. |
| 02:45.45 | SuperPhly | themill: that's the URL that i got off here: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:45.50 | sharky | then you can install kde and you will have graphical user interface and do everything with your mouse |
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| 02:46.30 | census | do i have to read it? i don't understan dmuch about cmputers |
| 02:46.58 | census | sharky i can redo the installation |
| 02:47.02 | census | there was graphics option on the cd |
| 02:47.04 | jmcnaught | census: reading is how i figured this same issue out :) |
| 02:47.05 | census | i did not select it |
| 02:47.14 | census | jmcnaught you are better at reading than me |
| 02:47.18 | census | i don't have good reading skills |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | themill: if you didn't do that, i was going to :) |
| 02:47.21 | themill | SuperPhly: use «http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/» instead of «http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/» |
| 02:47.31 | census | i have a learning disability. i dont learn well that way |
| 02:47.38 | SuperPhly | themill: cool, will do. |
| 02:48.23 | jmcnaught | census: it's okay. debian doesn't include some necessary firmware (sort of like drivers) on the installation CD because it's not really Free Software |
| 02:48.37 | sharky | census, it is more work to do the installation again, but it is possible anytime |
| 02:48.41 | mnuhmnuh | census: reinstall's good. the more you do, the more you learn about it. practice makes perfect. :-) |
| 02:48.59 | census | ok so what should i do |
| 02:49.01 | jmcnaught | census: but they allow you to load those necessary firmware from an external drive (USB stick etc.) during the installation |
| 02:49.04 | census | sorry, 3 of you coming at different directions |
| 02:49.11 | sharky | census, just connect the cable man |
| 02:49.19 | sharky | otherwise it won't work now |
| 02:49.24 | census | jmcnaught i did try to load the firmware from usb |
| 02:49.27 | census | i was on the cable before . . . |
| 02:49.53 | sharky | jmcnaught, his drivers are OK, no firmware what so ever |
| 02:49.59 | jmcnaught | census: otherwise follow sharky's advice, perhaps tomorrow with a longer cable? |
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| 02:50.07 | DMJC | ok, I'm able to run the full gnome/gdm stack as root |
| 02:50.12 | DMJC | I just can't do anything as a user |
| 02:50.24 | DMJC | su username doesn't work |
| 02:50.41 | DMJC | cannot execute /bin/bash permission denied |
| 02:50.46 | sharky | jmcnaught, he has disconnected his cable and thinks he is wifi mode and we are trying to setup a simple eht0 |
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| 02:51.29 | sharky | and trying to connect him to internet to install some graphical interface |
| 02:51.32 | census | sharky: in a little bit i might be able to muster some stamina to plug back in |
| 02:51.33 | mnuhmnuh | DMJC: as root "passwd username" |
| 02:51.45 | jmcnaught | sharky: yeah i caught that, i was trying to suggest an alternative that didn't require the cable |
| 02:51.49 | census | what will happen if a plug back in ? |
| 02:51.59 | census | i have some firmware i put on the usb |
| 02:52.04 | census | thta is why i'm confused |
| 02:52.09 | census | i might have done those stpes. i don't know. maybe i didn't |
| 02:52.12 | census | i guess i didn't |
| 02:52.27 | DMJC | mnuhmnuh: I tried that, it still says permission denied |
| 02:52.27 | jmcnaught | census: maybe the installer didn't find the firmware? i think you have to unpack the file |
| 02:52.52 | sharky | jmcnaught, :D I know wpasupplicant and what not, but you can try to transit that :D |
| 02:53.02 | census | jmcnaught: i did not unpack, if my unpack you mean unzip |
| 02:53.24 | census | jmcnaught: i have 3 .fw files |
| 02:53.31 | census | ipw2100-1.3.fw |
| 02:53.33 | sharky | guys it is not firmaware problem, network is setup |
| 02:53.36 | census | ipw2100-1.3-i.fw |
| 02:53.41 | sharky | we need only the cable |
| 02:53.44 | census | ipw2100-1.3-p.fw |
| 02:53.53 | census | we hda the calbe before. and it did not work then . |
| 02:54.03 | census | what changed? |
| 02:54.14 | sharky | the manual setup |
| 02:54.20 | census | i don' tknow what you eman |
| 02:54.24 | census | by manual set up |
| 02:54.35 | mnuhmnuh | DMJC: ls -ld /home/username |
| 02:54.39 | sharky | now you ping 192.168.1.105 which is your ip at the moment on that machine |
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| 02:54.58 | DMJC | mnuhmnuh, it's not my /home dires that are affected it's a file permissions error in/ |
| 02:55.02 | census | so should i do that now sharky? |
| 02:55.08 | sharky | and that machine need to be connected with the router via cable |
| 02:55.27 | DMJC | I've just located someone having similar issues on google, not sure about howto reset the / permissions to their defaults |
| 02:56.07 | sharky | census, you already did it and said the ping was successful, which means interface is ok, no firmware issues |
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| 02:56.39 | sharky | census, just connect the laptop and the router with a network cable |
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| 02:59.10 | jmcnaught | i agree that plugging the cable is the way to go, if it's physically possible |
| 02:59.14 | census | i will sharky i just need to rest a little bit |
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| 02:59.37 | sharky | :D ok |
| 03:00.07 | sharky | but I am not indefinitely here |
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| 03:00.33 | census | how much longer are you here for |
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| 03:01.08 | sharky | 10-15 min |
| 03:01.29 | census | oh ok |
| 03:01.34 | sharky | here is 5 o'clock in the morning :D |
| 03:01.41 | census | well i think i will rest for more than 10-15 mins |
| 03:01.44 | census | how close am i to being finishede? |
| 03:01.54 | sharky | you are close |
| 03:01.58 | census | how close? |
| 03:02.01 | census | like 1 more step? |
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| 03:02.05 | sharky | 2 |
| 03:02.08 | census | exactly 2? |
| 03:02.16 | census | like 2 commands and that is it? |
| 03:02.26 | census | they are not ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 03:02.29 | census | that one i know! |
| 03:02.32 | sharky | well 2 steps but more than 2 commans |
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| 03:02.44 | census | how many mins do you think? |
| 03:02.52 | sharky | one step is after you connect the cable to make sure you are connected to internet |
| 03:03.02 | census | how many mins do you think? |
| 03:03.07 | census | we were at this for hours before |
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| 03:03.17 | sharky | and then to install graphical user interface like KDE or so |
| 03:03.18 | census | i appreciate it |
| 03:03.23 | census | how many mins? |
| 03:03.36 | sharky | 10 :D |
| 03:03.44 | census | ok for 10 mins i can muster strength |
| 03:03.51 | census | but 10 mins better not gturn into 10 hours |
| 03:03.59 | sharky | no |
| 03:04.03 | census | as we were at this for hours before with nano and ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 03:04.12 | census | we wer at nano for an hour |
| 03:04.13 | census | nano sucks |
| 03:04.46 | sharky | just connect the laptop and try to make yourself comfortable |
| 03:05.02 | sharky | why is problem with cable? |
| 03:05.43 | census | hold on |
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| 03:08.44 | sharky | census, I will fall asleep :) |
| 03:08.52 | census | i am plugging in |
| 03:08.54 | census | don't sleep yet1 |
| 03:09.12 | sharky | ok try to ping google now |
| 03:09.20 | sharky | ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 |
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| 03:10.32 | census | i knew that one would be it |
| 03:10.40 | census | no good |
| 03:10.49 | census | \e packets tramistted 3 errors ettc |
| 03:10.51 | sharky | is it again unreachable |
| 03:10.58 | census | i don't know what you mean by unreachable |
| 03:11.02 | census | i plugged in |
| 03:11.06 | census | i told you what i can do |
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| 03:11.34 | jmcnaught | maybe running dhclient (with cable plugged in) would help? |
| 03:11.36 | sharky | try ping -c 3 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:11.59 | sharky | jmcnaught, we set it manually |
| 03:12.34 | sharky | I even made sure the gateway and network is the same reading it from his xp machine |
| 03:12.38 | census | sharky 3 errors for that to 100 percent packet os etc. |
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| 03:13.24 | neytiri | how do i setup a NON nat router on debian |
| 03:13.32 | sharky | census, are you sure you connected the router and laptop |
| 03:13.50 | census | no i am not sure |
| 03:14.07 | census | sharky i told you before. when i put the plug into my othe rlaptop -- the one i am typing to you on -- it works |
| 03:14.17 | census | i have no idea what is going on with the other machine. but i d put the wire in |
| 03:14.20 | sharky | census, if ping -c 3 192.168.1.105 is giving you packet succes then it is not firmaware and drivers |
| 03:14.41 | sharky | it is just the connection to your router that should be with cable |
| 03:14.45 | census | yes 0 percent loss on that last one |
| 03:15.05 | census | in fact i have tried two different wries for the laptop |
| 03:15.21 | jmcnaught | is there a link light on the ethernet port? |
| 03:15.22 | epsilon | neytiri: just route command, or something advanced like OSPF? |
| 03:15.29 | sharky | census, but you xp laptop is connected via wifi |
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| 03:15.46 | sharky | census, it is working without the cable too, or? |
| 03:15.53 | census | sharky yes it works either way |
| 03:16.03 | neytiri | simple |
| 03:16.05 | neytiri | all static |
| 03:16.28 | sharky | census, its the cable |
| 03:17.00 | census | sharky i have used 2 different cables |
| 03:17.04 | sharky | census, which is strange is that the same cable that you did the installation from the iso |
| 03:17.06 | census | maybe it is the machine itself? |
| 03:17.17 | census | the cable works when i put it into the laptop i'm currently on |
| 03:17.34 | epsilon | neytiri: route add -net <destination net/mask> dev <interface> |
| 03:18.04 | sharky | census, the laptop that you are currently on is connected via wifi if the cable does not work wifi is still working |
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| 03:19.01 | census | sharky that english did not make sense |
| 03:19.04 | census | sharky listen. |
| 03:19.10 | sharky | census, yeah when you connect the cable some diodes should light green or yellow |
| 03:19.14 | census | sharky i can connect on my current laptop via cable or via wifi |
| 03:19.32 | census | i *choose* to be on wifi only at the moment. but i can do cable |
| 03:19.35 | neytiri | kk |
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| 03:19.52 | jmcnaught | census: does the debian laptop have a link light when the cable is plugged in? |
| 03:20.09 | sharky | jmcnaught, can you take it from here? |
| 03:20.19 | census | what is a link light? |
| 03:20.24 | sharky | I need to sleep |
| 03:20.45 | sharky | census, good luck man, I am going to bed now |
| 03:20.51 | census | just please let me know when i can leave this cable |
| 03:20.55 | census | thank you sharky for all of your help |
| 03:20.56 | jmcnaught | sharky: have a good night :) |
| 03:20.56 | census | you were tremendous |
| 03:20.58 | census | good night brother |
| 03:21.09 | sharky | thanks, good night ;) |
| 03:21.21 | sharky | its actually morning already here |
| 03:21.34 | census | oko |
| 03:21.46 | census | jmcnaught can i unplug the cable? |
| 03:21.47 | census | i hate it |
| 03:21.59 | census | i thought it was going to be 10 mins |
| 03:22.01 | jmcnaught | census: a "link light" is usually a little tiny LED on the port where you plug the network cable into. usually there's two lights, 1 light to show the cable is plugged in (link light) and another to show network activity |
| 03:22.13 | census | jmcnajught as i said bvefore that is a lot of words |
| 03:22.16 | jmcnaught | census: leave it plugged in |
| 03:22.17 | census | i don't mean any offense by that |
| 03:22.24 | census | but i canno tread so much and process it |
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| 03:22.32 | census | simple ideas at a time |
| 03:22.41 | jmcnaught | census: is there any sort of light on the port where you plug the cable in? |
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| 03:23.06 | jmcnaught | or is there a light on your router? my router has a little light for each cable that is plugged in |
| 03:24.00 | census | jmcnaught green light when i plug it in for a second and then lifhgt goes away |
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| 03:25.17 | jmcnaught | okay, try this command: "dhclient eth0" |
| 03:25.39 | census | please tell me teh second i can unplug |
| 03:25.41 | census | by the way |
| 03:26.45 | jmcnaught | census: will do. after the dhclient command, try ping -c 3 192.168.1.1 again |
| 03:27.23 | census | 1 packet, 0 received, 1 rror, 100 percent loss |
| 03:27.41 | census | network unreachable |
| 03:27.45 | jmcnaught | did dhclient have an error message? |
| 03:27.52 | census | i told you |
| 03:27.54 | census | 1 error |
| 03:27.57 | census | 100 percent loss |
| 03:28.10 | jmcnaught | that was the error for ping. i asked about an error for dhclient |
| 03:29.12 | census | i told you for dhclient |
| 03:29.19 | census | that was dhclient |
| 03:29.24 | census | ping said network unreachable |
| 03:30.05 | jmcnaught | census: i think your network cable is not properly plugged in |
| 03:30.38 | jmcnaught | that green light that comes on for a second should probably stay lit |
| 03:32.01 | jmcnaught | census: if the cable is truly a strain for you, i suggest you try again later |
| 03:32.03 | census | it is plugged into the other laptop |
| 03:32.07 | census | so it might be the machine? |
| 03:32.23 | jmcnaught | census: the debian laptop should be plugged into the router directly |
| 03:32.25 | census | obviously there is a cable issue as well |
| 03:32.27 | census | i don't think we will resolve it |
| 03:33.02 | census | i am plugged in |
| 03:33.02 | mns | how do I get netflix to work on my debian system ? or is it not possible ? |
| 03:33.02 | census | is there no ther way to install? |
| 03:33.02 | census | clearly plugged in does help |
| 03:33.14 | ImaLamer | mns: look into 'netflix-desktop' |
| 03:33.48 | mns | ImaLamer: thanks. |
| 03:34.24 | jmcnaught | census: just to clarify, the debian laptop has network cable plugged into your router? |
| 03:34.37 | ImaLamer | mns: i don't think it's a debian package (haven't tried), and it's not perfect either. I think it uses WINE to run silverlight |
| 03:34.49 | mns | ImaLamer: is that in debian/jessie ? I don't get any results when I do "apt-cache search netflix-desktop" ? |
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| 03:35.12 | mns | oh .. ok .. hmmm I thought I had done it without WINE at a previous company .. could be mistaken . |
| 03:35.41 | jmcnaught | census: if the cable is such a problem, maybe you could try again later with a longer cable? |
| 03:36.08 | jmcnaught | census: or try the debian installation again, this time with the firmware files unzipped so your wifi will work |
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| 03:36.23 | abrotman | mns: netflix doesn't really work on linux |
| 03:37.17 | jmcnaught | mns: i got it to work under a windows VM once. by "work" i mean not very well and way too much hassle |
| 03:37.26 | ImaLamer | mns: it's got Ubuntu packages, and it's an ugly hack (http://www.skybert.net/debian/netflix-on-debian-wheezy-64bit/) ... not something we'd suggest really |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | ImaLamer: even though you just suggested it? |
| 03:38.38 | mumpitze1 | he's a complicated man with many contradictions :P |
| 03:38.43 | mns | ImaLamer: thanks. no worries. was just curious because I was sure that it used to work ... but couldn't figure out how I'd done it ... and the backup I had of my previous laptop .... well its having drive issues lol |
| 03:38.46 | ImaLamer | lol, for the record i'm not suggesting it... but with most things linux it's possible |
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| 03:40.35 | jmcnaught | that would make a good marketing slogan: "Linux, it's possible*" |
| 03:40.45 | ImaLamer | some conditions may apply |
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| 03:41.12 | ImaLamer | see store for details, only valid in the 48 states, not in Canada and in Cuba you are totally on your own |
| 03:41.27 | dvs | some assembly required |
| 03:41.39 | ImaLamer | that's the gentoo slogan, right? |
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| 03:43.18 | jmcnaught | i've been reading "The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques" and even though it's a little old, it's an amazing book! I really hope Martin Kraft does a 2nd edition! |
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| 03:43.53 | ImaLamer | i do believe the o'reilly book is free online |
| 03:46.52 | jmcnaught | I have the dead-tree edition. it actually sat untouched on my shelf for years. i regret not reading it sooner |
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| 03:49.11 | jmcnaught | census: i'm going to play video games for a bit but if i'm around later i'll try and help. take a break and get some rest :) |
| 03:49.15 | ImaLamer | had the same situation with the Stallman book, which, I may not have finished |
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| 03:50.34 | ImaLamer | i shouldn't have paid for it, that's for sure... |
| 03:51.11 | jmcnaught | heh.. i would probably pay for a 2nd edition of The Debian System |
| 03:52.03 | ImaLamer | i was making a crack about his 'free, free, free' mantra.. it is available under some sort of GNU license |
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| 03:52.23 | jmcnaught | yeah that went right over my head |
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| 04:06.43 | ivotkl | Hello everyone. Is there any way to use a live CD and try Debian from inside Windows? |
| 04:07.01 | mumpitze1 | ivotkl: use a virtual machine like virtualbox |
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| 04:07.35 | ivotkl | I know about that one, I have it at home. However, I cannot install anything on this computer unfortunately. It belongs to my dad. =P |
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| 04:09.25 | jmcnaught | ivotkl: the live CD won't install anything unless you tell it to. when you're done, reboot and take the disc out and windows will boot up like normal |
| 04:10.19 | ivotkl | I see... but is it possible for the live CD to enable me to work inside windows? I mean: |
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| 04:10.43 | ivotkl | Boot windows, then use live pendrive/CD to use a live version of Debian from within Windows. |
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| 04:12.50 | jmcnaught | ivotkl: you probably need to install something like virtualbox |
| 04:13.12 | ivotkl | OK, then I'll guess there no other way. =P |
| 04:13.19 | ivotkl | Thanks. =) |
| 04:13.23 | jmcnaught | ivotkl: there was a project called "andlinux" which was linux inside of windows, and you could run it from a USB stick. i think it went dormant though |
| 04:17.03 | ImaLamer | ivotkl: oddly, a lot of folks who develop those types of products, which let you run something free like linux charge for those products |
| 04:17.34 | ivotkl | That's too bad. =( |
| 04:17.43 | ivotkl | Although they have the right to do so. =P |
| 04:18.05 | ImaLamer | hard to get free software writers to develop something that will run in/are made for windows |
| 04:19.51 | ImaLamer | ivotkl: unfortunately you need to install the network driver from virtualbox in windows - which it sounds like you can't |
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| 04:26.22 | jmcnaught | you could probably boot debian from an external hard drive, and then run the windows installation in a VM. dad probably wouldn't like that solution either though |
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| 04:33.11 | mentor | In shell, there's no reason shell should jump out of more than one function, right? |
| 04:34.21 | dekiss | how can I compress directory from terminal? |
| 04:34.32 | dekiss | and send email from terminal with attachment can I do that? |
| 04:34.46 | dekiss | I guess I don't have permisions to attach files from usr directory? |
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| 04:35.20 | ivotkl | dekiss: You could use cpio and tar |
| 04:35.25 | mentor | If you can read the files, you should be able to attach them |
| 04:35.32 | dekiss | yeah I can nice |
| 04:35.40 | mentor | Just tar will do |
| 04:35.43 | themill | if you can read a file, you can attach it to an email. gzip/bz2/xz to compress. Try mutt for sending the email |
| 04:35.45 | dekiss | so tar file ? |
| 04:35.52 | dekiss | wait il lread tar man thanks |
| 04:35.56 | themill | tar doesn't compress |
| 04:36.10 | dekiss | ok |
| 04:36.18 | dekiss | how to compress it to tar archive? |
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| 04:36.29 | mumpitze1 | themill: dekiss is a windows user. for them creating an archive and compressing it are synonymous |
| 04:36.30 | mentor | tar will call the compressor for you, however. |
| 04:36.34 | ivotkl | sorry, I meant cpio and then bzip2 |
| 04:36.37 | themill | mentor: yes |
| 04:36.44 | ivotkl | was it tar -j? |
| 04:36.47 | themill | mumpitze1: err.. yes |
| 04:36.51 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: tar -cjvf |
| 04:36.57 | mentor | j for bzip, x for gzip |
| 04:37.05 | mumpitze1 | mentor: not z? |
| 04:37.10 | themill | all the cool kids use J these days |
| 04:37.12 | mentor | :P |
| 04:37.14 | mentor | yes |
| 04:37.16 | dekiss | so I do sudo gzip *.* file? |
| 04:37.19 | ivotkl | lol |
| 04:37.20 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: no |
| 04:37.36 | dekiss | ok :) |
| 04:37.38 | themill | dekiss: why would root privileges be required for this |
| 04:37.45 | dekiss | coz files are in usr |
| 04:37.48 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: you use tar and tar will create an archive and call a compression program at the same time (-j or -z) |
| 04:37.53 | themill | dekiss: you can read the files in /usr |
| 04:38.03 | dekiss | but i want to compress them |
| 04:38.09 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: you can read the files. no need for sudo. just the place where the archive file will be, you need write access |
| 04:38.11 | dekiss | i want t ocompress directory |
| 04:38.18 | themill | dekiss: no, you want to make a compressed copy of them |
| 04:38.30 | dekiss | ye |
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| 04:38.49 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: in your home directory: tar -jcvf usr.tar.bz2 /usr/ |
| 04:38.51 | dekiss | omg I need to give myself permissions |
| 04:38.56 | mumpitze1 | no you don't |
| 04:39.08 | dekiss | directory that needs compresing is in usr |
| 04:39.19 | mumpitze1 | I gave you a ready made commandline above |
| 04:39.19 | dekiss | ok |
| 04:39.20 | dekiss | wait |
| 04:39.25 | dekiss | than you! |
| 04:41.38 | dekiss | how to remove directory |
| 04:41.52 | dekiss | wait |
| 04:41.55 | dekiss | sry for this question :) |
| 04:42.15 | mumpitze1 | is anyone else thinking dekiss will have a debian reinstallation in his immediate future? |
| 04:42.28 | dekiss | omg how to remove not empty dir :S |
| 04:42.30 | dvs | yup |
| 04:42.35 | dekiss | haha :D |
| 04:42.36 | themill | mumpitze1: yes |
| 04:42.48 | jmcnaught | dekiss: what directory do you want removed? |
| 04:42.52 | dekiss | sry guys im just making so many things right now :S |
| 04:43.04 | dekiss | one directory that isnt empty -_- |
| 04:43.09 | mentor | dekiss: man rm |
| 04:43.10 | dekiss | i just came to linux from win sry |
| 04:43.19 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: that's fine |
| 04:43.25 | themill | dekiss: please try to be precise rather than vague when answering questions |
| 04:43.27 | jmcnaught | dekiss: just as long as you're not deleting /usr :) |
| 04:43.29 | mumpitze1 | just tell us the actual path of the directory you want to delete |
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| 04:43.36 | dvs | erasing a directory in /usr is not a good idea |
| 04:43.38 | mentor | If you don't understand any of it, we'll explain what it means |
| 04:43.56 | jmcnaught | each of us explaining it a slightly different way! |
| 04:44.09 | dekiss | nice i did it ^^ |
| 04:44.19 | dekiss | haha I know what you are thinking right now -_- |
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| 04:44.32 | dekiss | thanks you people |
| 04:44.43 | dekiss | na I understand :) that dir I made by mistake now its deleted |
| 04:44.46 | dekiss | sry and thanks |
| 04:45.51 | ImaLamer | how can i make dpkg tell me about a ncurses twitter client |
| 04:46.22 | mumpitze1 | ImaLamer: you can't. dpkg doesn't search for packages. apt-cache search and aptitude search do |
| 04:47.38 | mentor | dpkg doesn't have anywhere to search for packages |
| 04:47.39 | dpkg | mentor: no idea |
| 04:47.45 | mentor | dpkg shush |
| 04:47.45 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 04:48.45 | ImaLamer | i was actually thinking such a thing wasn't available, why would i? |
| 04:49.21 | jmcnaught | ImaLamer: did you find one? |
| 04:49.29 | ImaLamer | looking into it |
| 04:49.48 | mentor | !tell ImaLamer about search |
| 04:50.40 | ImaLamer | oh no i've been marked |
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| 04:51.57 | Tylerjd | ?testfiles |
| 04:52.05 | Tylerjd | Whoops, wrong channel |
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| 04:52.50 | ImaLamer | i think i asked already what is my best way to search descriptions in the CLI? |
| 04:53.09 | mumpitze1 | some arcane aptitude invocation |
| 04:53.16 | themill | "apt-cache search" searches descriptions |
| 04:54.07 | jmcnaught | ImaLamer: it helps to pipe the results through sort and less, something like: apt-cache search twitter|sort|less |
| 04:54.31 | ImaLamer | thanks, it something i clumsily do thought a WM too much. never bothered a lot |
| 04:54.34 | DeeEff | hey #debian, I did a dist-upgrade today since there was the wheezy 7.1 release, and now my sound has stopped working. I'm thinking it's a problem with alsa (alsa-base?), because when I run "cat /proc/asound/cards" it tells me there are no cards (not even my motherboard?) and I do not have an /etc/asound.conf file. |
| 04:54.57 | DeeEff | has this happened to anybody before? |
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| 04:55.21 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> wheezy (7.1) released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | /msg dpkg 7.1 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ |
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| 04:55.31 | mumpitze1 | holy crap? a 7.1 already? is debian pulling a mozilla.org to reach fedora version numbering? |
| 04:55.33 | themill | (topicdiff: 7.1) |
| 04:55.40 | mumpitze1 | what happened to 7.0.1 scheme of old? |
| 04:55.42 | themill | mumpitze1: umm... no. |
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| 04:55.51 | themill | mumpitze1: the redundant 0 was dropped |
| 04:56.16 | ImaLamer | DeeEff: did you have to install something in the past to make this work? |
| 04:56.18 | mumpitze1 | is looking back at slink |
| 04:56.46 | DeeEff | ImaLamer: no. Not that I know of. in the past I had problems with amixer and pnmixer though, neither would "load" but sound would work perfectly |
| 04:56.50 | DeeEff | now it's the other way around |
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| 04:57.19 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: you probably didn't need to do dist-upgrade. did it tell you it would remove any packages? |
| 04:57.59 | DeeEff | it did not remove any packages, but it did update alsa-base |
| 04:58.03 | themill | mumpitze1: x.y.z only existed for lenny and squeeze. Prior to that there was "x.y r z" but it was never clear whether a new release should increment x or y in that. |
| 04:58.38 | DeeEff | the only listing in the changelog about alsa-base though is that it said it corrected alsa to use the alsa-base.conf file instead of the alsa.conf file for settings |
| 04:58.42 | themill | mumpitze1: hence sarge mysteriously being 3.1 despite it being such a big upgrade on 3.0 |
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| 05:01.40 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: is the sound card listed when you run lspci? |
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| 05:02.30 | DeeEff | jmcnaught: I don't actually have a soundcard. I'm just trying to route sound through my motherboard |
| 05:02.48 | DeeEff | Which I assumed would not be an issue. |
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| 05:04.49 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: do you see an "audio device" listed when you run the command lspci? |
| 05:05.52 | DeeEff | yes, an audio controler |
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| 05:06.08 | DeeEff | and my video card, strangely enough |
| 05:06.16 | DeeEff | probably just the hdmi that I'm not using right now |
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| 05:08.18 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA suggests running the command "alsactl init" as root, but i'd read that page a little bit first |
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| 05:09.51 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10656/ |
| 05:09.54 | DeeEff | that's the output of lspci |
| 05:10.11 | DeeEff | jmcnaught: alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
| 05:10.21 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: you could also look at the output of lsmod and see if the correct modules are loaded |
| 05:10.25 | DeeEff | unfortunately, the problem is deeper than just reloading the module |
| 05:10.38 | DeeEff | what modules am I looking for in lsmod? |
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| 05:10.52 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: ones that start with snd- |
| 05:11.37 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10657/ |
| 05:11.44 | DeeEff | that's all the snd modules from lsmod |
| 05:11.58 | mumpitze1 | you need snd-hda-intel |
| 05:12.43 | DeeEff | alright, so should I modprobe snd-hda-intel? |
| 05:12.50 | jmcnaught | paste.debian.net isn't loading for me, i'll check your paste as soon as it does |
| 05:13.35 | mumpitze1 | yes, but the question is,why wasn't it loaded automatically? |
| 05:14.10 | DeeEff | mumpitze1: I may have an answer for you |
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| 05:14.36 | mumpitze1 | it's your debian, your answer ;) |
| 05:14.43 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10658/ |
| 05:14.55 | DeeEff | that's the output of "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" |
| 05:15.26 | mumpitze1 | then do what the nice error message tells you |
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| 05:15.59 | DeeEff | Well, that's lovely, but it seems to suggest there's a problem in the install command |
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| 05:16.49 | mumpitze1 | DeeEff: it's the first error that counts, not subsequent ones |
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| 05:17.36 | DeeEff | alright, so the only thing I see from dmesg is this: [ 2.476026] snd_pcm: Unknown symbol vm_iomap_memory (err 0) |
| 05:17.59 | mumpitze1 | what kernel is it? |
| 05:18.14 | DeeEff | 3.2.0-4amd64 |
| 05:18.28 | DeeEff | and I found this as well: [ 3492.573612] snd_mixer_oss: Unknown parameter `snd-pcm-oss' |
| 05:19.08 | mumpitze1 | seems you are not alone: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/37582 |
| 05:19.28 | mumpitze1 | it's most probably some kernel bug |
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| 05:20.46 | DeeEff | sorry, my network cut out for a second and cut me off IRC |
| 05:20.59 | DeeEff | so if I get this right, I need to recompile the sound drivers? |
| 05:21.07 | themill | DeeEff: have you rebooted since installing the new kernel? |
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| 05:21.31 | DeeEff | yes, once |
| 05:21.40 | DeeEff | I think |
| 05:22.00 | DeeEff | I never compiled the drivers to begin with, but if rebooting fixes my problem, then let me konw |
| 05:22.02 | themill | !reboot required |
| 05:22.05 | dpkg | If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi |
| 05:22.06 | DeeEff | s/konw/know/ |
| 05:22.16 | themill | DeeEff: ^^ what does that command say? |
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| 05:24.27 | DeeEff | the command outputs "syntax error near unexpected token 'then'" |
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| 05:25.11 | themill | didn't copy+paste it all? |
| 05:25.27 | DeeEff | themill: I did, now I'm writing it manually, one second |
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| 05:26.07 | DeeEff | ah |
| 05:26.20 | DeeEff | okay |
| 05:26.28 | DeeEff | I'll reboot and then come back and post results |
| 05:26.33 | DeeEff | I'm an idiot |
| 05:26.36 | DeeEff | I think. |
| 05:26.50 | well_laid_lawn | yep |
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| 05:27.49 | Mike9863 | The sound on my system randomly gets crackly. I'm able to fix it by going to sound preferences and changing the connector back and forth, but I'm not sure why it's happening or how to fix it permanently. Any ideas? |
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| 05:29.09 | DeeEff | alright, so rebooting didn't work. |
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| 05:34.00 | DeeEff | any other thoughts as to how to get this to work? if I have to recompile my sound drivers that's not a problem, I can do that well enough on my own, but I don't know which drivers they are or how to find them to recompile them. |
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| 05:35.32 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: i'm still having trouble loading paste.debian.net. that error you had for modprobe snd-hda-intel, did it say something about mikmod2? |
| 05:36.07 | DeeEff | no, it mentioned libkmod though |
| 05:36.27 | DeeEff | but it appears the problem has to do with the kernel image being updated |
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| 05:46.21 | jmcnaught | DeeEff: looks like this issue has happened to others after kernel updates over the years. i just found a bug report from 2008 with similar problem |
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| 05:47.34 | DeeEff | damn |
| 05:47.43 | DeeEff | I found a similar issue for ubuntu as well |
| 05:47.54 | DeeEff | I'm trying the fix now, but I don't think the default folders are the same |
| 05:48.11 | jmcnaught | what's the link? |
| 05:48.14 | themill | normally the errors you pastebinned are caused only by the need for a reboot (kernel on disk doesn't match running kernel) |
| 05:48.33 | DeeEff | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto#Troubleshooting |
| 05:49.03 | DeeEff | themill: well I've rebooted now, so that's strange. |
| 05:49.07 | themill | yeah |
| 05:49.26 | DeeEff | the only thing that's not dkms is my video driver, which should have been updated already. |
| 05:49.41 | DeeEff | so that should square out the rebooting problem. |
| 05:50.13 | themill | can you pastebin the entire output of "dmesg" now? |
| 05:50.38 | themill | also "modinfo snd-hda-intel" |
| 05:50.57 | DeeEff | themill: just give me a moment |
| 05:50.59 | DeeEff | I may cut out |
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| 05:52.05 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10660/ |
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| 05:52.49 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10661/ |
| 05:52.57 | DeeEff | first is dmesg, second is modinfo |
| 05:53.06 | themill | I assume dpkg --print-architecture says "amd64" |
| 05:53.25 | DeeEff | yes |
| 05:54.19 | themill | hmmm "/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko" isn't the normal path for that module at all |
| 05:54.35 | DeeEff | I just added that |
| 05:55.06 | DeeEff | the actual location is in "/lib/modules/3.2.0.4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko" |
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| 05:55.57 | themill | that sounds more standard |
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| 06:00.38 | DeeEff | any thoughts on what could be causing it? |
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| 06:01.58 | jmcnaught | there's a post on alsa-user mailing list from the other day with the exact same issue. the OP doesn't follow up though |
| 06:02.19 | DeeEff | yeah, I saw that one |
| 06:02.27 | jmcnaught | so maybe it's a bug? |
| 06:02.54 | DeeEff | I'd rather it not be, honestly |
| 06:03.26 | jmcnaught | when you boot the computer, does GRUB have the option to use an older kernel? |
| 06:04.10 | themill | You'd need to reinstall the older kernel package first -- the kernels have the same uname -r so they overwrite each other |
| 06:04.29 | DeeEff | grub gives me the option to use a recovery kernel |
| 06:04.35 | DeeEff | but not an older one |
| 06:04.40 | themill | (it might be worth doing that so we can pin it down to the kernel upgrade and not the alsa-base upgrade) |
| 06:04.48 | DeeEff | themill: how do I use the older kernel? |
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| 06:07.16 | DeeEff | hold up |
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| 06:07.32 | DeeEff | I'm going to switch to IRC on a different machine so I don't cut out if I need to reboot |
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| 06:08.11 | DeeEff | ok, I'm back |
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| 06:10.25 | census | hi moof2 |
| 06:10.43 | \\Mr_C\\ | what does this mean on bootup in debian very first line? over current condition on port 7 |
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| 06:24.49 | DeeEff | hrm, well, does anybody in here know how to get the old alsa-base version? |
| 06:25.16 | DeeEff | I'm thinking of pinning the old version in /etc/apt/preferences and maybe trying to revert the package |
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| 06:29.35 | mumpitze1 | it's not alsa that is your problem. if the kernel module is not loaded, alsa can't do a thing |
| 06:29.58 | mumpitze1 | if you can't get an older kernel, get a 3.8 or 3.9 kernel |
| 06:31.51 | owen1 | can someone recommend text-based podcast catcher? |
| 06:32.37 | DeeEff | mumpitze1: will upgrading the kernel that much screw anything else up (theoretically)? |
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| 06:33.23 | mumpitze1 | theoretically yes, practically no |
| 06:33.46 | mumpitze1 | you will need 2 packages, the new kernel and initramfs-tools |
| 06:33.58 | DeeEff | got the kernel 3.9.6 from kernel.org |
| 06:34.05 | DeeEff | where do I get initramfs-tools? |
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| 06:34.19 | mumpitze1 | same place you get the kernel |
| 06:34.34 | mumpitze1 | ah, you want to compile your own? then I dunno. I was assuming .deb packages |
| 06:35.03 | DeeEff | oh, where are the deb packages then? |
| 06:35.09 | mumpitze1 | ,kernels |
| 06:35.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc5-686-pae (3.10~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 06:35.13 | mumpitze1 | there |
| 06:35.13 | DeeEff | because I'd rather use those than compile |
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| 06:35.35 | mumpitze1 | packages.debian.org download the sid kernel |
| 06:38.17 | DeeEff | uh.... |
| 06:38.17 | DeeEff | so |
| 06:38.38 | DeeEff | I try to install the initramfs-tools deb from packages.debian.org |
| 06:38.45 | DeeEff | and it gives me an error of somekind |
| 06:38.50 | DeeEff | so I try to just install the kernel |
| 06:38.55 | DeeEff | and it says dependencies are met |
| 06:39.00 | mumpitze1 | you install both at the same time |
| 06:39.03 | DeeEff | but then fails because dependencies were not met |
| 06:39.12 | DeeEff | and then tells me to run "apt-get -f install" |
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| 06:39.15 | DeeEff | so I do |
| 06:39.39 | DeeEff | and now it's telling me I'm trying to remove a kernel with the same version as the kernel I'm installing |
| 06:39.47 | DeeEff | which is apparently a problem |
| 06:40.14 | mumpitze1 | you did install everything via apt-get? how the heck did you do that? |
| 06:41.06 | DeeEff | uh... I didn't |
| 06:41.17 | DeeEff | I just tried it again with dpkg specifying both at the same time |
| 06:41.18 | DeeEff | it worked |
| 06:41.23 | roboman2444 | so i noticing that apt-get dist-upgrade wants me to get rid of ia32-libs... why is that? |
| 06:41.24 | DeeEff | I guess I should reboot now? |
| 06:41.34 | DeeEff | roboman2444: multiarch changes things |
| 06:41.43 | DeeEff | I'm assuming that's the issue |
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| 06:42.25 | roboman2444 | yea... |
| 06:42.41 | roboman2444 | dunno if i wanna do multiarch... it looks like it will break some stuff |
| 06:43.15 | DeeEff | mumpitze1: so I installed the 3.9 kernel |
| 06:43.29 | DeeEff | but it doesn't show up in grub |
| 06:43.48 | mumpitze1 | update-grub should have run automatically. do it now then |
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| 06:45.21 | DeeEff | gotcha |
| 06:45.54 | DeeEff | except that didn't do anything |
| 06:45.59 | DeeEff | what the hell grub? |
| 06:46.04 | DeeEff | is this a UEFI thing now? |
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| 06:49.34 | tff | Hey, I have a VPS with Debian 6 for webhosting. I don't really know anything about Debian but I realized that, having this VPS for a while, I should learn. First thing I'd like to do is upgrade to version 7. Is this relatively straightforward to do 'in-place', or should i learn a little more first ? |
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| 06:50.12 | tff | By in-place, I mean downloading it, building it, installing it, etc, then rebooting directly into the new installation without affecting essential services like SSH |
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| 06:50.46 | mumpitze1 | !tell tff about squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:51.03 | mumpitze1 | read the release notes. and there is nothing about building. and the download and install step is integrating |
| 06:51.43 | tff | 'Integrating', OK |
| 06:51.48 | tff | Thanks |
| 06:51.56 | dmbaturin | tff: Make sure your VNC/IPMI/whatever works. :) |
| 06:52.10 | tff | I don't have anything like that, I operate over SSH |
| 06:52.15 | mumpitze1 | *integrated. and if you want to nitpick, you are welcome to get help from someone else |
| 06:52.18 | dmbaturin | Then don't. |
| 06:52.27 | tff | So simpler i guess? |
| 06:52.41 | dmbaturin | tff: Or make a full backup of your system first. |
| 06:52.59 | tff | mumpitze1, Didn't mean to nitpick, i actually hadn't heard the term before |
| 06:53.09 | dmbaturin | Live upgrading an unattended machine is an extremely dangerous operation. |
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| 06:53.44 | dmbaturin | So you always should have out of band management channel before getting into it. |
| 06:54.10 | tff | mumpitze1: I thought you were saying that the download/installation process was called 'integration', could make sense |
| 06:54.38 | tff | Yeah, I should ensure that the hosting support can rescue it I suppose |
| 06:54.42 | mumpitze1 | tff: what kind of VPS is it? |
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| 06:55.04 | mumpitze1 | with a VPS, Id check with the provider first |
| 06:55.04 | tff | i'm not aware of any distinctions within the VPS category :x |
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| 06:55.11 | tff | Managed vs unmanaged ? |
| 06:55.11 | dmbaturin | If it's OpenVZ, forget. |
| 06:55.27 | tff | Bad experience? |
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| 06:58.27 | dmbaturin | tff: I avoid upgrading servers between versions in general. But some cases are even more dangerous than other. :) |
| 06:58.50 | DeeEff | ugh |
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| 06:59.06 | DeeEff | well, I think my problems are getting worse by the minute |
| 06:59.12 | DeeEff | grub refuses to update properly |
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| 06:59.57 | mumpitze1 | !tell DeeEff errors |
| 07:00.12 | dmbaturin | Xen is also very dangerous from this point of view. KVM, VMWare and other full virtualization solutions are as dangerous as upgrading on physical hardware (just beware of PV drivers). |
| 07:00.16 | mumpitze1 | !tell DeeEff about errors |
| 07:00.54 | DeeEff | mumpitze1: well, for some reason I have "sudo update-grub" and "sudo update-grub2" |
| 07:01.10 | DeeEff | and they both output that they find all versions of the kernel installed |
| 07:01.33 | mumpitze1 | and this is an error how? |
| 07:01.39 | DeeEff | but if I reboot, the list that grub provides does not list all the versions installed, only the one (3.2.0.4-amd64) |
| 07:01.50 | DeeEff | and of course, the recovery |
| 07:01.58 | mumpitze1 | what does update-grub report? |
| 07:02.21 | DeeEff | hold up |
| 07:02.47 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10663/ |
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| 07:03.58 | mumpitze1 | and what is in your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 07:04.20 | DeeEff | one second for that as well |
| 07:05.14 | DeeEff | http://paste.debian.net/10664/ |
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| 07:06.34 | DeeEff | it appears as if this grub.cfg file is not loading at boot |
| 07:06.48 | mumpitze1 | !crunchbang |
| 07:06.49 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 07:07.10 | mumpitze1 | we do not support it. and stuff like doube update-grub, strange kernel errors. what do you think how that happens? |
| 07:07.49 | DeeEff | I imagine grub in this case is having problems between versions 1 and 2, which appear to both be installed. |
| 07:08.01 | DeeEff | and honestly, this probably isn't a crunchbang error. |
| 07:08.12 | mumpitze1 | could be. this is something that debian doesn't do. grub1 or grub2. not both |
| 07:08.22 | mumpitze1 | if you want generic linux help then ##linux |
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| 07:44.20 | bakibour | Good morning |
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| 07:45.13 | bakibour | Would anyone mind to have a look at this video here and maybe tell me what shell/terminal this guy is using? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFETKhhq8w |
| 07:48.09 | Bronze | do you know the difference between a shell and a terminal? |
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| 07:49.58 | bakibour | The terminal is just the thing that does the connection and the window and the shell is what runs the commands? |
| 07:50.13 | terr1 | anyone got any idea how important PTP 1588 clock support is for a netcard driver? Trying to compile one, but buggs about ptp_clock_register too many arguments.. Guess the kernel has changed? If I comment out this it compiles? |
| 07:50.23 | Bronze | bakibour: um sort of. |
| 07:50.43 | Bronze | bakibour: there are different shells available - you seem to know that. |
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| 07:52.10 | bakibour | I just happened to install Debian in VirtualBox havent used it for ages. Is there any way to get a more plain look than Gnome? Something like fluxbox in the olden days or so? |
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| 07:54.21 | Bronze | bakibour: the "terminal" is really a terminal emulator. here is the hardware it is emulating ==> https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=2E9&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1366&bih=589&tbm=isch&oq=terminal+-airport+-passenger+%28vt100|adm3a%29++-screenshot&gs_l=img.3...13871.18077.0.18492.13.13.0.0.0.0.74.638.13.13.0...0.0...1c.1.17.img.TlLC1Kews9U&q=terminal%20-airport%20-passenger%20%28vt100|adm3a%29%20-screenshot |
| 07:54.22 | well_laid_lawn | install fluxbox then |
| 07:54.28 | well_laid_lawn | bakibour: ^ |
| 07:54.33 | themill | -EURLTOOINSANE |
| 07:55.07 | bakibour | Ah ok :) |
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| 07:56.40 | bakibour | Are there any new fluxboxish windowmanagers? |
| 07:57.11 | well_laid_lawn | there's openbox which is more limited in some ways but has other benefits |
| 07:57.27 | well_laid_lawn | try a tiler out for a change |
| 07:57.38 | bakibour | Ok let me check that |
| 07:58.14 | well_laid_lawn | openbox has .xml configs which always make me chuckle |
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| 08:00.32 | dmbaturin | well_laid_lawn: Being a developer myself, I certainly understand its authors. |
| 08:01.24 | well_laid_lawn | I make window managers with config files and I'd never go the .xml route |
| 08:01.34 | well_laid_lawn | just unfriendly to use imo |
| 08:01.58 | dmbaturin | well_laid_lawn: Do you enjoy writing all the parsing and verification code yourself? |
| 08:02.17 | well_laid_lawn | dmbaturin: that's not hard to do |
| 08:02.48 | dmbaturin | Not always hard, but always time consuming and hard to modify. |
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| 08:04.03 | well_laid_lawn | I didn't find it that hard |
| 08:04.03 | dmbaturin | There is no other data interchange format that allows for instant verification against a schema right now. JSON schema could be promising if it was standardized. |
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| 08:05.17 | dmbaturin | well_laid_lawn: Guess I have something to talk about with you then. :) |
| 08:05.22 | well_laid_lawn | what's wrong with if something else someother |
| 08:05.24 | well_laid_lawn | ? |
| 08:05.43 | well_laid_lawn | simple is as simple does |
| 08:05.48 | dmbaturin | How do you test the config handling code? Do you do formal proof? |
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| 08:06.57 | well_laid_lawn | I check a line for the first term, the choice then for the second, third etc terms are limited, fail just moves on |
| 08:07.05 | dmbaturin | I.e. how do you know you there is no undefined or unspecified behaviour? |
| 08:07.15 | well_laid_lawn | see above |
| 08:07.22 | dmbaturin | So you have an ad-hoc parser? |
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| 08:08.17 | well_laid_lawn | I have a limited number of config options which each have a limited amount of choices - seems simple to me |
| 08:10.12 | dmbaturin | So in your config statements do not interfere with each other? I.e. no cases like "foo statement can't have baz child node if bar is set to 0"? |
| 08:10.14 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: .ini files are much easier to read by humans |
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| 08:11.24 | well_laid_lawn | dmbaturin: no. each config option only affects one thing - I wrote the wm like that from the start |
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| 08:11.37 | well_laid_lawn | why make my life hard... |
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| 08:12.21 | Bronze | dmbaturin: actually, the UNIX philosophy encourages keeping things in text mode. AND - if, as system scripts have done in the past, you use sh syntax in your config files, you don't have to parse anything. |
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| 08:13.38 | well_laid_lawn | dmbaturin: as complicated as I think a config should be - https://github.com/moetunes/Nextwm/blob/master/sample.rc.conf |
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| 08:13.58 | dmbaturin | well_laid_lawn: Ah, in this case .ini-style config can be a feasible option. Once you get dependencies, it adds lots of complexity to verification code. |
| 08:14.25 | well_laid_lawn | why? |
| 08:14.36 | well_laid_lawn | it will be as complex as you make it |
| 08:14.41 | well_laid_lawn | make it simple |
| 08:14.47 | dmbaturin | Because you now have to check every possible path. |
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| 08:15.53 | well_laid_lawn | for what ? |
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| 08:16.15 | dmbaturin | Well, for window manager it's not that important. |
| 08:16.59 | dmbaturin | Imagine, for instance, a BGP daemon at a large exchange point failing because the admin referenced a non-existing policy in the peer settings. |
| 08:18.01 | well_laid_lawn | why would the daemon have to fail? why not do nothing about that bad config choice? |
| 08:18.16 | dmbaturin | Or a web server not functioning correctly but not telling the user the config is incorrect either. |
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| 08:18.42 | moof2 | a good parsing algorithm could take care of every one of these issues |
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| 08:19.05 | well_laid_lawn | seems like bad coding - if there's a bad choice in the config use the default |
| 08:19.22 | dmbaturin | Unless there can't be defaults. |
| 08:19.41 | well_laid_lawn | there always can be defaults |
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| 08:19.55 | well_laid_lawn | do nothing is a default option |
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| 08:20.21 | milligan | Having some problems with pulseaudio and wine. Wine hogs the sound and doesn't let anything else play sound. Ideas? |
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| 08:20.37 | well_laid_lawn | maybe see ##winehq |
| 08:20.46 | well_laid_lawn | if that's the address |
| 08:20.52 | dmbaturin | If a software product implies defaults when the config is in fact malformed, it's a bug. |
| 08:21.10 | dmbaturin | milligan: Pulse should not have this problem. Make sure it doesn't use ALSA or OSS in fact. |
| 08:21.11 | well_laid_lawn | depends on perspective there imo |
| 08:21.24 | moof2 | or, generally parsing the config produces a tree, and if some kind of bad choice comes about, then the node that goes into the tree is (1) ignored later, and (2) is an error object (of some kind) node, that contains all the information about the error: where it is, and what the problem is |
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| 08:22.28 | well_laid_lawn | as I see it if a bad choice in the config causes issues the config is being read wrong |
| 08:22.37 | moof2 | once the end of the config is reached, the tree is complete, then you walk the tree, taking actions to set things up |
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| 08:23.41 | berarma | I'm trying to set up an easy way to share folders with samba, I'm trying nautilus-share but it seems the samba configuration doesn't allow per-user shares. Any advice? |
| 08:24.08 | dmbaturin | berarma: Why don't you just enable those in smb.conf? |
| 08:24.27 | berarma | I'd like users to configure folder sharing easily from the desktop |
| 08:24.29 | dmbaturin | security = user, or something like that. |
| 08:25.18 | berarma | nautilus-share comes with a smb.conf file that has security = share |
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| 08:25.58 | dmbaturin | Specify the whole /home as a share. Users can change access rights if they want to make their directories actually shared. |
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| 08:26.33 | dmbaturin | * Although I strongly prefer to create shares for logical groups (e.g. one for accounting department, another for marketing). |
| 08:26.33 | well_laid_lawn | this is onee thing that has always puzzled me about linux - why does a user have to escalate priveleges to connect to a network or share a file from thier home dir ? |
| 08:27.10 | well_laid_lawn | I spelt their wrong |
| 08:27.26 | dmbaturin | Because mounting a filesystem is a privileged operation? |
| 08:28.07 | dmbaturin | Unless it's FUSE or another userspace solution. |
| 08:28.12 | well_laid_lawn | I understand that it is a permission issue but why hasn't someone made it easier yet |
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| 08:28.22 | dmbaturin | FUSE did. |
| 08:28.47 | dmbaturin | I'm not sure what nautilus uses. |
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| 08:28.59 | well_laid_lawn | fuse doesn't help with connecting to a wifi ap |
| 08:29.16 | well_laid_lawn | but i digress |
| 08:29.23 | dmbaturin | NetworkManager helps. |
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| 08:29.41 | berarma | I don't see what nautilus-share is useful for , it's seems it falls short |
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| 08:31.37 | xingu | well_laid_lawn: there's a word for OS's that don't provide access control for shared resources (like, say, networking) - single user. |
| 08:32.28 | well_laid_lawn | xingu: just asking - how are they single user if you need a root user to connect to things |
| 08:32.37 | well_laid_lawn | as well |
| 08:33.24 | xingu | well_laid_lawn: can you think of an example where privilege escalation is not required to alter network configuration? |
| 08:33.39 | dmbaturin | Single user OSes don't provide control for shared resources. Linux is a multiuser one. |
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| 08:38.31 | franco | ciao |
| 08:38.39 | franco | !list |
| 08:38.39 | dpkg | franco: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 08:40.10 | GinToniCooL | debian can't boot log,why |
| 08:40.16 | GinToniCooL | help me !!!! |
| 08:40.23 | moof2 | yes, it is true that linux (how the distributions set it up too) is a multiuser OS, and so is capable of permitting certain things and denying others, on a user-by-user basis |
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| 08:40.46 | kripz | has the debian-multimedia.org thing been sorted out? |
| 08:41.05 | moof2 | as such, it's possible to use one linux machine to serve hundreds of people, and history supports this: that's how it started. |
| 08:41.13 | moof2 | having said all that, |
| 08:41.29 | GinToniCooL | i've just dist-upgrade to wheezy,now the system can't internet and can't open desktop,gdm3 erroe |
| 08:41.33 | GinToniCooL | error |
| 08:42.18 | moof2 | it -is- an older use case that's not as usual any more, and no dist that I know of has taken that to heart and created a way to have a linux that is DESIGNED for a single person |
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| 08:42.41 | Cowaeter | kripz: the domain is gone (debian requested the name not be used for unofficial repositories), use deb-multimedia.org |
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| 08:43.16 | dmbaturin | moof2: Not usual? Lots of companies run terminal servers to make software and user management simpler. |
| 08:43.36 | moof2 | it's certainly decreasing |
| 08:43.53 | moof2 | (or single-user linuxes is increasing)_ |
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| 08:44.40 | dmbaturin | moof2: Even machines intended for a single user still have to deny it some things for security reasons. |
| 08:44.57 | berarma | !tell GinToniCooL -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 08:46.58 | moof2 | dmbaturin, I do agree... and, "have to" is overly strong; "a good service to", "can", etc have less strength and I feel that's closer to the truth |
| 08:47.40 | moof2 | people who feel they -have to- do these things are intensely dedicated. and MORE POWER TO THEM. |
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| 08:48.38 | dmbaturin | moof2: I guess "have to" is the right word. You can't let corporate users install their own software or connect to untrusted networks, by any means. |
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| 08:50.56 | moof2 | that's a bit tangential to the main point I'm trying to make, which is just there should be possibilities that fit better for them. Stallman's stance is too far the other way (shouldn't deny anyone anything) |
| 08:52.46 | dmbaturin | Ah, agree. Good there's pretty much of possibility grant any privileges to anyone already. |
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| 08:54.51 | dmbaturin | Although I think everyone should start using computers in a true multiuser environment where you need to prove you actually need that and knowlegeable enough to use it already to get that privilege granted to you. :) |
| 08:56.26 | moof2 | I can see that. Here could be a service that an advanced person could perform: so someone who doesn't want windows or macos or whatever, has decided to install debian (it could happen :) |
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| 08:56.53 | moof2 | the person who decided to install, assume he's a newbie... |
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| 08:57.51 | moof2 | so the advanced person would document the server in an installation journal, including the passwords (root and whatever else he knows) in a journal. |
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| 08:59.26 | moof2 | the ongoing service is to take care of the system and running tutorials and such, and after a specific time, he hands the journal to the person who installed, and the advanced person's job is completed |
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| 09:02.09 | census | hi moof2! |
| 09:02.18 | moof2 | then at the end of the time, the installing person has the beginnings of able to read man pages, how to find information (including the determining of the structure of some specific piece of info out there) |
| 09:02.28 | moof2 | census: back from playing music... |
| 09:02.40 | census | cool |
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| 09:04.18 | moof2 | ... and has a better relationship with the shell, simple editors (which nano is, for example) and has a good start and a pretty well setup machine |
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| 09:04.31 | census | moof2 there seems to be a problem with me trying to put the cable in still |
| 09:04.52 | census | moof2 i am wondering whether there is any way that i can proceed without needing the cable ... |
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| 09:05.10 | moof2 | census, I wonder if your wireless works |
| 09:05.27 | census | at some level it all works because i am using it on this computer |
| 09:05.34 | census | it is just on the other computer where i am having connectivity issues |
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| 09:07.20 | dmbaturin | moof2: In the school computer lab where I started you had to answer some UNIX questions to get privileges you don't need to perform daily tasks (e.g. some more megs of disk space, using printers on your own or doing lprm etc.). |
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| 09:08.26 | dmbaturin | Service for newbies sounds like a good idea to me. :) |
| 09:09.05 | moof2 | who would this best be marketed to... |
| 09:09.37 | dmbaturin | Those who want to start an admin career? |
| 09:10.13 | census | moof2: anything that i can test? |
| 09:10.20 | census | moof2: anything that i can redo or download? |
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| 09:12.14 | moof2 | it's not really the newbie who installs linux... it's really, yes potential admins, or people who have been developing in just about any form (but who have no linux experience yet) |
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| 09:12.57 | moof2 | if it's going to be marketed, it should be to people who have money now and want to make money later |
| 09:13.53 | dmbaturin | moof2: I think it can't be "free" in exchange for doing tasks the newbie just learnt for their "master". |
| 09:14.48 | dmbaturin | There are always things not related to security, not critical and already boring for you that you'd like someone else to do. :) |
| 09:14.58 | moof2 | census, see if this works... ifconfig eth1 up |
| 09:15.29 | moof2 | then, iwlist scan |
| 09:15.34 | dmbaturin | "ip link list" can show what is up and what is present but down. |
| 09:16.02 | moof2 | good to know |
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| 09:23.58 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 09:27.52 | Nebukadneza | does anyone happen to know a simple no-frills QoS solution to be used on a debian home-router that routes a cable connection for ~8-10 clients? i'm not looking at actual service priorization or anything, rather queue "management" only. |
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| 09:28.34 | Nebukadneza | i was toying around with the "wondershaper" a bit, as it seems to do exactly this: queue management. but the parameters it requires, in manpage/website specified to be kbit/s, are rather random, and certainly not kbit/s oO |
| 09:29.11 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: What do you mean by random? |
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| 09:30.14 | Nebukadneza | e.g., i have 2.25megabyte/s actual downlink (quite stable over time). i calculate (2.25 * megabyte) / second = 18000(kilobits / s), then invoke "wondershaper eth5 18000 960", and wondershaper magically caps my downlink speed to ... 140kilobyte/s |
| 09:30.25 | dmbaturin | Hint: if you invest time in learning tc itself, you can charge that knowledge for valuables. ;) |
| 09:30.40 | dmbaturin | * trade |
| 09:30.43 | Nebukadneza | hehe, agreed - same as with iptables, etc |
| 09:31.27 | Nebukadneza | i just toyed around with it so i could have something that enabled me to let my gf watch hd streams while i happen to upload a few megabytes to my server ... wondershaper seemed like a good idea at first glance |
| 09:32.15 | dmbaturin | Make sure what is syntax for prefixes is. |
| 09:32.45 | Nebukadneza | on the other hand i wondered -- this is a problem just about everyone has, and it could be solved fairly generally IMO? so why is there only something that behaves as random as wondershaper does? |
| 09:33.34 | Nebukadneza | mh, wondershaper itself has no syntax for numbers, its just "always kilobit / second" |
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| 09:33.57 | oo_miguel | where can I configure how midnight commander handles Opening and Editing files? |
| 09:34.10 | Nebukadneza | wget spouts "megabytes / second", right? |
| 09:34.25 | oo_miguel | for some reason i have a .mc and a .config/mc directory |
| 09:34.27 | dmbaturin | Yes, AFAIR. |
| 09:34.31 | dmbaturin | Let me read the man. |
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| 09:38.56 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: was that @mc, @wondershaper, or @wget? :) |
| 09:39.17 | dmbaturin | wondershaper. |
| 09:39.20 | jair | hello guys, I am plugging an external drive to my laptop and looks like by default I can only mount the drive using root. I understand the security attached to it, but in this computer there are not more users other than me and root |
| 09:39.24 | Nebukadneza | ah, kay (and thanks :P) |
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| 09:39.42 | jair | I went to the ntfs-3g site and show something regarding chown root and 4755 |
| 09:40.19 | jair | I ran the commands as explained on the solution but I still can't get to the drive using gnome with non root user? |
| 09:40.39 | dmbaturin | oo_miguel: As of mc, I don't think you can change that behaviour at runti,e |
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| 09:41.18 | jair | maybe all I need to do is add the user jair to the ntfs-3g group? |
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| 09:44.50 | Nebukadneza | mh, also btw, does anyone happen to know some script/program that creates ping statistics to various hosts? especially in regard to packet loss? |
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| 09:48.16 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: First, yes, it uses kbit/s. You can modify the script easily to specify other units (e.g. mbit) from the command line. |
| 09:48.34 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: yes, i've understood that far in the tc lines |
| 09:48.59 | milligan | dmbaturin, wine uses the alsa plugin for pulse.. |
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| 09:49.22 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: Second, remind me what you wanted to do and what were the calculations? :) |
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| 09:51.09 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: well, wondershaper pretty much only covers one usecase: limiting bandwidth so that the queues are moved to the router instead of modem / isp-router, i want to do that in order to be able to (simply) prefer interactive traffic |
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| 09:51.37 | Nebukadneza | my measurements over a larger timespan are that my download rate is between 2.15megabyte/s and 2.35megabyte/s, and my upload between 105kbyte/s and 135kbyte/s |
| 09:52.10 | moof2 | a way to get more interactive traffic is to tune MRU |
| 09:52.30 | Nebukadneza | so i'd let wondershaper cap them a tad below the bottom of this: (2.12 * megabyte) / second = 16960(kilobits / s) and 102 * kilobyte) / second = 816(kilobits / s) |
| 09:52.42 | moof2 | see how small you can get it and not reduce overall throughput |
| 09:53.02 | Nebukadneza | which leads to the wondershaper eth5 16960 816 |
| 09:53.35 | Nebukadneza | which produces the following (strange) behavior: upload is correctly limited to some 95-100kbyte/s and doesn't affect pings and worsen ssh laggyness -> success |
| 09:53.48 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: Why 16960? |
| 09:53.49 | Nebukadneza | but downloads are limited to some 100-250kbyte/s, for *whatever* reason |
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| 09:54.35 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: (16960[kbit/s] / 8[bit]) / 1000[k] = 2.12 |
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| 09:55.02 | Nebukadneza | moof2: MRU as opposed to M*T*U? |
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| 09:55.42 | moof2 | I thougth that mru is the max receive unit before a routing function splits the packet |
| 09:55.44 | dmbaturin | 1 Mbyte = 1024 Kbyte. 1 Kbyte = 1024 * 8bit. |
| 09:56.02 | dmbaturin | Or 1000, doesn't change things too much. |
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| 09:56.44 | dmbaturin | To get how many bits in 2.12Mbyte are you need to multiply, not divide. :) |
| 09:57.08 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: yes, but as you asked "why 16960", i showed you the backwards calculation |
| 09:57.12 | Nebukadneza | forward calculation was above |
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| 09:57.57 | noz | Running jessie, I've just installed upstart. I need to ask detailed questions about interaction between upstart and initscripts. I have errors in /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh at boot, but don't think it should be running. |
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| 09:59.00 | noz | There is a file /etc/init/checkfs.sh.conf, which looks like it's supposed to stop /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh running, but I can't work out how. Anyone know? |
| 09:59.31 | moof2 | noz, I almost want to make this conversation more efficient by shortening it as much as possible... the first q I would ask to that end, is are you sure you want upstart? could you say more about why? |
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| 10:00.12 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: but yes, given those 2.12megabyte/s, whats wrong with the 16960kilobit/s? |
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| 10:00.36 | moof2 | I say "almost" because I don't want to shut you down |
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| 10:01.05 | noz | moof2: I want more fine grained control over boot ordering. Specifically, I have had problems (e.g. #681961) that look like they should be able to be fixed by a full dependency-based boot |
| 10:01.49 | moof2 | you mean dependency based in real time (as opposed to manipulating future boot order) |
| 10:01.59 | moof2 | ? |
| 10:01.59 | noz | moof2: Yes |
| 10:02.16 | moof2 | curious how it |
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| 10:02.26 | moof2 | is more fine-grained |
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| 10:02.47 | noz | moof2: It just strikes me that having an event based boot is the right thing to do. I've obviously been sold on the upstart propaganda! ;-) |
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| 10:03.18 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: echo "2.12 * 1024 * 1024 * 8" | bc -l |
| 10:03.52 | moof2 | ok, I'm very convinced you know what you want. thanks for confirming that |
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| 10:04.08 | dmbaturin | noz: Why not systemd then? |
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| 10:04.48 | noz | dmbaturin: It just looked like debian was heading towards adopting upstart. Am I wrong? |
| 10:05.02 | dmbaturin | systemd is becoming a de facto standard, while upstart didn't get any popularity. |
| 10:05.18 | dmbaturin | Debian supports system as one of the options too. |
| 10:05.29 | moof2 | hmm, so you want to go where debian is likely to go, which is probably reasonable |
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| 10:06.09 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: uhm ... what about qalc is brookt?! Oo *confused* (thanks!) |
| 10:06.27 | moof2 | having said that... that decision may not have been made yet |
| 10:07.05 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: btw, and here comes wondershaper again and hits you in the face: even limiting to 10000000 (<17783848.96) does in no way limit the download rate |
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| 10:07.25 | moof2 | brookt burkt? |
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| 10:08.23 | noz | dmbaturin, moof2: Maybe I should reconsider and go read up about the differences between systemd and upstart. Where am I likely to find clues as to which will win? |
| 10:09.22 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: a slightly limiting effect is only visible from ~~40000 on downwards |
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| 10:09.55 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: which is why i said that wondershapers input is completely arbitrary |
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| 10:10.46 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: It looks weird to me. Their default class bandwidth is chosen in a rather arbitrary manner, for instance. |
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| 10:11.12 | Nebukadneza | those 10000k? |
| 10:11.43 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: http://git.vyatta.com/git/?p=vyatta-cfg-qos.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=master Look at this tc frontend. templates/ dir has frontend syntax definitions. |
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| 10:15.05 | Nebukadneza | dmbaturin: okay, i will clone it and have a look at, thanks! :) |
| 10:16.16 | dmbaturin | Nebukadneza: It's useless without the rest of the system, but you can get ISOs here: http://vyatta.org/downloads |
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| 10:16.56 | dmbaturin | It's in fact a heavily modified squeeze. |
| 10:17.00 | Nebukadneza | eh? Oo |
| 10:17.01 | Nebukadneza | oops |
| 10:17.37 | dmbaturin | Well, I mean that package alone is only good to find out how human terms translate to tc syntax. |
| 10:18.00 | Nebukadneza | i can't just bulldoze my router ;) |
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| 10:22.56 | dmbaturin | Well, it's time to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 10:23.14 | dmbaturin | For my workstation, I mean. |
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| 10:28.16 | dmbaturin | By the way, which ubuntu branch can be binary compatible with wheezy? |
| 10:30.09 | ksuhku | none |
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| 10:31.35 | dmbaturin | squeeze was largely compatible with lucid. |
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| 10:34.09 | jelly-home | one shouldn't hope for binary compatibilty, but backport or rebuild packages for the particular distro and release |
| 10:35.10 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: such a system would not be supportable neither here nor in ubuntu channels |
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| 10:38.55 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: I know that disclaimer, I've heard it many times. ;) |
| 10:41.28 | dmbaturin | Or, any way to get the source from launchpad? |
| 10:41.53 | dmbaturin | Packaging that stuff myself is not what I'm going to do, sorry. |
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| 10:43.03 | dmbaturin | If I knew they can go upstream, I would invest some time in it. But it would take years and lots of dedication to make anyone even look at ITP, so... |
| 10:43.16 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: ubuntu has deb-src repos just like debian |
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| 10:44.14 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 10:45.04 | jelly-home | or the similar /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:50.10 | dmbaturin | FIY: I do build debian packages at work. |
| 10:50.38 | dmbaturin | I just want to use a repo if I can and not to become a maintaner just to get things to work. |
| 10:50.52 | garo | I just installed my 1st postfix server so i'm not really sure if i did it correctly. First of all I want to make sure i'm not an open relay and second that it accepts mails to nikolas@garofil.be . |
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| 10:51.33 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: well, you can do whatever as long as you don't suggest it ot others and not complain in here when things go wrong |
| 10:51.37 | garo | Could anyone with some experience try to use it at as an open relay (my server is the MX of garofil.be) |
| 10:51.59 | garo | and can someone else try to mail me at nikolas@garofil.be ? |
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| 10:53.04 | dmbaturin | garo: Done. |
| 10:53.41 | garo | the 1st or 2nd thing ? |
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| 10:54.20 | jelly-home | garo: you could use a free tool like http://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx for the former |
| 10:54.35 | dmbaturin | garo: Both. Doesn't look like an open relay and I sent you a test mail. |
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| 10:55.38 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: I don't suggest it to anyone. I just want an answer if anyone knows it from the top of their head before I go compare kernel and libc versions to find out myself. |
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| 10:56.24 | garo | didn't receive anything here, did my server return any error to you ? |
| 10:56.44 | dmbaturin | garo: No, nothing so far. |
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| 10:57.11 | jelly-home | garo: the first thing to do is check your mail logs. |
| 10:58.34 | jelly-home | if there's no connection logged at all, verify the dns values for MX (or A record if MX is absent) for the domain is correct |
| 10:58.35 | garo | i don't see anything postfix related in /var/log and nothing new in the files /var/mail/ |
| 10:58.58 | jelly-home | garo: postfix logs to syslog, "mail" facility. |
| 10:59.16 | jelly-home | garo: in Debian, that ends up in /var/log/mail.log by default |
| 10:59.34 | dmbaturin | garo: I sent you another email directly from your server. |
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| 10:59.57 | jelly-home | garo: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 11:00.08 | xand | hmm |
| 11:00.42 | xand | anyone else seen this problem today? Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (199.27.76.129). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 11:00.51 | xand | (when trying to apt-get update) |
| 11:00.53 | garo | i think i found the error, i made nikolas a alias to my gmail adress and it seems that gmail blocked it |
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| 11:01.57 | garo | From: Daniil Baturin <daniil@baturin.org> |
| 11:01.59 | garo | Mail enhancement -- enlarge your mailbox up to 20 Gb in just a week. |
| 11:02.04 | garo | now it arrived |
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| 11:02.31 | garo | i guess that's your 2nd mail ? |
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| 11:02.55 | dmbaturin | garo: No, the first. |
| 11:03.29 | garo | oh, ok... than the mail servers are just a bit slow, so everything seems to work. |
| 11:03.33 | garo | Thanks everyone ! |
| 11:03.41 | dmbaturin | The second one was rejected as non RFC282 compliant. |
| 11:04.00 | garo | with good reason ? |
| 11:04.34 | dmbaturin | Well, it was actually no so RFC compliant as I just used minimal SMTP commands to send it. |
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| 11:05.26 | xand | oh, it's my own firewall, *facepalm* |
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| 11:06.54 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: swaks is a nice replacement for telnetting and manually sending mail |
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| 11:07.34 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: Thanks, good to know. |
| 11:07.56 | dmbaturin | By the way, what will installer say if home directory for the user already exists? |
| 11:08.20 | dmbaturin | I don't want to wipe out my /home partition to reinstall. |
| 11:09.01 | ChrisH | dmbaturin: Use the manual mode and mount the exosting /home partition. Should not harm anything |
| 11:09.50 | dmbaturin | The installer doesn't ask for user account in manual mode? |
| 11:10.59 | bezaban | manual mode while partitioning/selecting mount points |
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| 11:11.43 | dmbaturin | bezaban: Sure. Then when installer asks for the user account and it finds /home exists and there is a dir for that user, what does it do? |
| 11:12.02 | xand | dmbaturin: if you use expert mode, creating non-root user is optional |
| 11:12.19 | dmbaturin | xand: Thanks. |
| 11:12.23 | mumpitze1 | or you could just rename the directory before you even start installing |
| 11:12.26 | xand | I dunno what the installer does about home directories already there |
| 11:12.51 | xand | I always add users afterwards |
| 11:12.52 | mumpitze1 | any time you can use ctrl+alt+f2 and have a console outside the installer where you can rename and move files as you wish |
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| 11:13.29 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: Indeed, I just wanted to know if I should bother at all. |
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| 11:14.02 | kimmaria | hello. im using wheezy xfce. Keyboard shortcuts dont work. How to fix? |
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| 11:39.26 | Fabio | hi, what's the best way to install xfce4.10 on debian 7 and which iso is bettere for this purpose? (to upgrade immediatly at 4.10) |
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| 11:40.15 | jelly-home | Fabio: I do not know of any decent way to install xfce 4.10 and still call the system "debian 7" |
| 11:40.50 | ompaul | ,v xfce4 |
| 11:40.51 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 11:41.05 | jacklk | Fabio: what I done is use the live Xfce CD and installed Debian that way |
| 11:41.11 | Fabio | jelly-home why? 4.10 is quite stable?! |
| 11:41.17 | jacklk | it installs Xfce + Debian system without an internet connection required |
| 11:41.23 | ompaul | Fabio: it's not what comes with debian7 |
| 11:41.24 | jelly-home | Fabio: debian 7 uses 4.8 |
| 11:42.05 | jelly-home | Fabio: and debian does not upgrade components to newer versions during the lifetime of a distro release |
| 11:42.13 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 11:42.13 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 11:42.41 | Fabio | jelly-home.. ok i know and i got it the point! :) |
| 11:43.33 | Fabio | judd, jessie or sid? |
| 11:43.49 | ompaul | Fabio: judd is a bot |
| 11:43.49 | Arroyo1010 | ompaul, what about backports from jessie (if there even is such a thing), does using that constitutes as frankendebian ? |
| 11:44.00 | Arroyo1010 | constitute* |
| 11:44.06 | Fabio | ops |
| 11:44.25 | bezaban | jessie should be ok for a workstation :) |
| 11:44.34 | dmbaturin | Arroyo1010: Of course. You only can use packages from stable and security updates. |
| 11:44.35 | bezaban | although early in the release cycle |
| 11:44.50 | mumpitze1 | Arroyo1010: backports are fine. just mixing binaries from all over the place is not |
| 11:45.05 | dmbaturin | Arroyo1010: This would be called Centian. :) |
| 11:45.09 | Arroyo1010 | Ok. I think that you can steer Fabio in that direciton then? :) |
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| 11:45.32 | jelly-home | Arroyo1010: there are no backports of xfce 4.10 |
| 11:45.36 | Arroyo1010 | ah! |
| 11:45.37 | Arroyo1010 | gotcha |
| 11:45.38 | mumpitze1 | Arroyo1010: do you know what's involved in backporting a full DE? |
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| 11:45.58 | Arroyo1010 | mumpitze1, I would assume a whole lot because of the huge amount of deps |
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| 11:46.04 | Arroyo1010 | so yeahh |
| 11:46.18 | jelly-home | Arroyo1010: in addition, there's a high possibility such a backport would be too intrustive, requiring other libraries to get upgraded as well |
| 11:46.29 | jelly-home | intrusive* |
| 11:46.35 | Arroyo1010 | Gotcha |
| 11:46.36 | ompaul | Fabio: I would suggest that if you have to ask you should learn debians ways for a while - get 4.8 on debian 7 up and running learn how debian deals with that, then in a few months wonder about testing and sid depending on which you choose, you are expected to be able to dig yourself out of a mess if it happens - although there is a support channel for them |
| 11:48.06 | Fabio | ok then I try to see for jessie thank you all! |
| 11:48.06 | ompaul | Fabio: the biggest hint I can give you is don't use resources from outside of debian for your software |
| 11:48.18 | ompaul | Fabio: because ... |
| 11:48.39 | jelly-home | ompaul: then again, Debian is an OS. |
| 11:48.42 | Fabio | ompaul, the problem is that xfce4.8 has a lot of gaps |
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| 11:49.43 | ompaul | Fabio: I wouldn't know. .. I was going to say if you use stuff from outside be aware that you moving to testing (aka at the moment jessie) / sid may be problematic with external stuff in the mix |
| 11:50.27 | ompaul | jelly-home: it is, and people add the strangest of repos and expect it still to work :-) |
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| 11:50.43 | dmbaturin | ompaul: Like they have choice. ;) |
| 11:50.52 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: they usually do. |
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| 11:51.31 | ompaul | dmbaturin: and then it doesn't work ;-) |
| 11:51.44 | Fabio | ompaul, in the sense that if I have jessie i must to leave the default repo? |
| 11:51.55 | dmbaturin | At least there was a chance they can get stuff they need. |
| 11:52.43 | dmbaturin | Fabio: In sense using third-party repos makes upgrading to another version troublesome if not impossible. |
| 11:52.53 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: and they're not too lazy to make local backports? |
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| 11:54.14 | dmbaturin | Unless you are using those backports in a corporate network on all machines and your time you spend to make them is paid, it's no economicallt viable to do that. |
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| 11:54.59 | Fabio | bmbaturin for dist upgrade? |
| 11:55.29 | Fabio | dmbaturin for dist upgrade? |
| 11:55.59 | dmbaturin | Fabio: Yep. Actually upgrades inside the same version may be broken by third-party stuff too. You just need to realize what can go wrong before doing that. |
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| 11:56.59 | Fabio | I'm curious to Debian but it all seems so complicated to have a relatively current system |
| 11:57.30 | dmbaturin | It's always a tradeoff. Stability or fresh software, choose one. |
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| 11:58.26 | Fabio | usability? not only fresh |
| 11:59.16 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: my experience is spending time fixing a single home desktop system with a weird ABI breakage (that happens when mixing binaries from different releases) is easily avoided by making local backports instead |
| 11:59.20 | dmbaturin | Actually, with proprietary systems keeping it up to date is even more, way more complex. |
| 11:59.20 | Fabio | in xfce 4.8 does not work either the touchpad |
| 12:00.04 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: Once you do a local backport, you are now in charge for watching changes and rebuilding it when updates are issued. |
| 12:00.20 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: and you care about that on a home desktop because...? |
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| 12:00.59 | dmbaturin | Because packages do have bugs and security vulnerabilities that get discovered. |
| 12:01.35 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: and you care about that on a home desktop because...? |
| 12:01.55 | dmbaturin | Because security vulnerabilities can be exploited. |
| 12:03.11 | dmbaturin | I don't have anything but my router exposed to the Internet unprotected, but still there are many ways malicious code can get there. |
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| 12:05.02 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: it's a matter of risk assessment and exposure. I don't think a local backport of eg. pidgin-sipe can get exploited by anything other than the Lync server it's connected to. |
| 12:05.44 | dmbaturin | And Lync server is running on a terribly insecure system (not to start a holywar). |
| 12:05.56 | jelly-home | on the other hand, pulling it from testing or ubuntu distro requiring newer versions of glib can break the whole DE |
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| 12:06.59 | dmbaturin | apt-get is pretty good at telling what it is going to do. |
| 12:07.33 | dmbaturin | If it tells you that it's going to do something awful, it's never late to say N. |
| 12:07.36 | jelly-home | and if you tell it not to upgrade, you're exactly at the same point as you would be with an unattended backport. |
| 12:07.50 | jelly-home | so much about caring for security |
| 12:08.03 | dmbaturin | In this case you can switch to the backport or find another solution. |
| 12:08.08 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 12:08.27 | jelly-home | thanks, you just proved my point |
| 12:08.39 | dmbaturin | Speaking of the subject of my earlier question, the repo I was using from launchpad is mactel-support. |
| 12:09.03 | dmbaturin | I was using this squeeze setup for two years and I've never got problems with that repo. |
| 12:09.21 | dmbaturin | What have I proved? Using it saved me a lot of time. |
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| 12:09.58 | jelly-home | doesn't surprise me, seeing as it's mostly source code in dkms form |
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| 12:10.18 | dmbaturin | There are binary packages too. |
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| 12:10.58 | jelly-home | those I'd stay FAR away from |
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| 12:11.17 | jelly-home | esp. the gnome UI bits |
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| 12:11.36 | dmbaturin | macfanctld, for instance. |
| 12:12.57 | dmbaturin | Anyway, I'm off to reinstall to wheezy. Hope it installs fine. |
| 12:14.50 | Fabio | there is a stable and light operating system quite updated in senso of usability? (kde is heavy and intricate..gnome3 is't yet mature) |
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| 12:18.08 | Fabio | I'm looking for a quick OS for my old thinkpad T60 core 2 duo 7200 |
| 12:19.01 | frostschutz | Fabio, lxde, xfce? |
| 12:20.30 | Fabio | frostschutz, yes.. xfce but at least 4.10.. I can not figure out if I should use debian jessie |
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| 12:20.54 | yeshellothere | so here's a question. dpkg now has the ability to mark a package as automatically installed and that functionality is in apt-get |
| 12:21.18 | yeshellothere | but it seems a bit limited still, you can never uninstall or revert packages well and if i was to do apt-get build-dep package for example |
| 12:21.34 | yeshellothere | i'd have to manually go through and mark those as auto and then force apt-get or aptitude to mark them for removal via that method |
| 12:22.09 | yeshellothere | has there been any discussion on improving this? I'd like to see packages storing the action that had them installed, so for example 'build-dep' could have a counterpart 'build-done' which reverts things |
| 12:22.13 | jelly-home | yeshellothere: use mk-build-deps from the devscripts package |
| 12:22.17 | yeshellothere | (yes i mostly use pbuilder before someone points out there's a better system) |
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| 12:22.33 | yeshellothere | jelly-home: i don't have any direct issues with this as i just spin up a VM for it |
| 12:22.43 | yeshellothere | but i'm wondering if there's been any discussion on integrating it |
| 12:22.46 | Fabio | frostschutz xubuntu seems too commercial.. |
| 12:23.12 | jelly-home | yeshellothere: no idea, this channel is mostly user-level tech support unlike debian-devel |
| 12:23.18 | Fabio | frostshutz and a little more heavy to run |
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| 12:23.35 | yeshellothere | jelly-home: yeah figured as much, i'm just going over random webhosting control packages |
| 12:23.39 | yeshellothere | and i realised how awful they are |
| 12:23.50 | jelly-home | heh |
| 12:23.54 | yeshellothere | and one of those reasons is they never have a remotely good idea of packages and actions |
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| 12:24.00 | no_gravity | Hello! Everytime I start my shiny new Wheezy, I get a screen with "Oh no! Something has gone wrong ... system cant recover .. log out and try again. And a log out button". After clicking that button and login in, everything works normal. Any idea how to go about that shit? |
| 12:24.18 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: i occasionally get a whine from gnome-shell like that |
| 12:24.22 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: it disables all extensions when you do this |
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| 12:24.38 | yeshellothere | so have you installed any extension? sensors for example consistently crashes my wheezy desktop |
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| 12:25.07 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: i dont think i installed any extensions. i dont even know what an extension is. |
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| 12:25.30 | jelly-home | yeshellothere: does gnome not have automatic restarts of components in case of crash like kde and xfce do? |
| 12:25.47 | yeshellothere | jelly-home: not particularly afaik |
| 12:25.52 | yeshellothere | it's not even really got many 'components' anymore |
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| 12:25.57 | yeshellothere | as the desktop is half in JS |
| 12:25.57 | ksuhku | no_gravity, gnome3 probably puts you in fallback mode, you could try forcing it somewhere |
| 12:26.11 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: my biggest suggestion is ensure your graphics drivers are correctly set up |
| 12:26.18 | yeshellothere | as gnome 3 requires an accelerated desktop |
| 12:26.24 | yeshellothere | which requires decent graphics driver support |
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| 12:26.37 | yeshellothere | if you're on Intel there are well known bugs atm, but afaik ATI and NVidia both work fine on wheezy |
| 12:26.44 | yeshellothere | i'm running it on a 660Ti using the experimental drivers |
| 12:27.05 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: it wasnt always like that. i installed wheezy 2 weeks ago or so. and this message appeared 3 days ago for the first time. |
| 12:28.05 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: the best advice i can give you is to go ask gnome channel |
| 12:28.09 | yeshellothere | unfortunately wheezy is on 3.4 |
| 12:28.15 | yeshellothere | so it's 2 major releases behind the standard |
| 12:28.28 | yeshellothere | and you're not likely to get much help, but perhaps they can help you find the source of the complaint |
| 12:28.43 | yeshellothere | i know i've had false positive 'something has gnoe wrongs' where i can still use my desktop on my other monitors lol |
| 12:28.52 | yeshellothere | but i don't know if gnome logs the reason for it anywhere, that's what you really need |
| 12:29.23 | yeshellothere | but yeah, if you make it clear you're on 3.4 and need to find out the reason gnome is erroring you might be able to get some help |
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| 12:30.01 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: would testing always have the most recent gnome? |
| 12:30.16 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: 3.8 is making its way into sid/jessie yes |
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| 12:30.22 | yeshellothere | but i don't know if it's ready for testing |
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| 12:30.37 | yeshellothere | i have a VM i've been meaning to test it on but prly need to get accelerated drawing working |
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| 12:31.26 | no_gravity | whats sid and whats jessie? |
| 12:31.39 | yeshellothere | the names for unstable and testing respectively |
| 12:31.52 | no_gravity | ok |
| 12:32.04 | no_gravity | whats the dif between unstable and testing? |
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| 12:32.24 | yeshellothere | exactky what you'd expect, there's a technical reason but unstable is essentially 'might work' |
| 12:32.29 | yeshellothere | and testing is essentially 'should work' |
| 12:32.46 | yeshellothere | stable is 'does work' and experimental is 'your PC is your own responsibility' :) |
| 12:32.47 | no_gravity | ok. so unstable has the newest software? |
| 12:33.12 | yeshellothere | yes typically, but don't expect it to be trivially easy to move between them |
| 12:33.26 | yeshellothere | you can learn about apt pinning with google, but something like gnome is a huge project |
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| 12:33.32 | yeshellothere | with a lot of dependencies and requirements |
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| 12:37.11 | mufy | hy all |
| 12:37.13 | no_gravity | its really tough to find a distri that simply works these days. |
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| 12:37.48 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: honestly? i run wheezy on 40+ machines including desktops |
| 12:37.48 | mufy | I have a problem. I installed debian to my ac100 toshiba wich is armv7h and I want to install chromium-browser |
| 12:37.57 | yeshellothere | and it's really very good, you're just unlucky |
| 12:37.59 | jacklk | yep, wheezy just works |
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| 12:38.17 | mufy | and I have this error message chromium-browser : Depends: chromium (>= 10) but it is not installable |
| 12:38.38 | yeshellothere | mufy: does chromium build on arm? it sounds like it's not in your repositories |
| 12:38.52 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: honestly i'd recommend asking the gnome devs if theres a way to find out what caused that error |
| 12:38.52 | mufy | yeshellothere, I have on ubuntu |
| 12:38.57 | mufy | and on archlinux |
| 12:38.59 | yeshellothere | as it could easily be a misconfiguration |
| 12:39.15 | yeshellothere | mufy: i'm afraid i don't have much experience with debian on arm |
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| 12:39.31 | yeshellothere | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium |
| 12:39.38 | no_gravity | yeshellothere, mufy: well, its not only the error message. its also gnome3 and package-updater or whatever is its name. |
| 12:39.39 | yeshellothere | yeah there's no arm build so far |
| 12:39.53 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: what do you mean? |
| 12:40.37 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: i find gnome 3 inferior to gnome 2. |
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| 12:40.53 | yeshellothere | mufy: i don't know why it isn't built for arm but worst case scenario you can probably rebuild an ubuntu package (not recommended) |
| 12:41.08 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: it takes some getting used to, especially as 3.4 is a mid release and really it's not up to feature parity |
| 12:41.11 | mufy | ahha |
| 12:41.26 | yeshellothere | mufy: if you do rebuild ubuntu's packages, use pbuilder to do so |
| 12:41.29 | yeshellothere | google for tutorials on it |
| 12:41.39 | mufy | yeshellothere, thx |
| 12:41.46 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: inferior. as i say. |
| 12:41.51 | yeshellothere | there's a potentially very good reason |
| 12:41.54 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: in many many ways it is far superior |
| 12:42.01 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: and ther prob with package-updater is here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708548 |
| 12:42.18 | no_gravity | yeshellothere: what is superior? |
| 12:42.20 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: it's just a consequence of such a large change |
| 12:42.36 | yeshellothere | no_gravity: the desktop is defined by traditional markup + javascript |
| 12:42.47 | yeshellothere | so virtually everything about it can be modified live |
| 12:42.49 | yeshellothere | with virtually no barrier to entry |
| 12:42.59 | yeshellothere | and it's much easier to introspect and extend |
| 12:44.09 | no_gravity | well, thanks for the infos. gotta go! |
| 12:44.10 | no_gravity | cu! |
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| 12:50.56 | Brilliant | hi, how to install debian netinstall only with usb-stick? |
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| 12:52.30 | yeshellothere | Brilliant: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html |
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| 12:53.33 | Brilliant | thank you yeshellothere ... and witch iso i need for it? |
| 12:55.02 | yeshellothere | Brilliant: any of the CD installer ISOs work i think |
| 12:55.19 | Brilliant | cause i had tested an iso ... it was allways looking for a cd device |
| 12:55.45 | Brilliant | ok, i try it |
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| 12:57.47 | yeshellothere | Brilliant: just get the business card iso or similar |
| 12:57.53 | yeshellothere | that uses net packages by default |
| 12:58.24 | Brilliant | ok, thanks for the tipp |
| 12:58.43 | mumpitze1 | Brilliant: you used unetbootin? |
| 12:59.07 | Brilliant | no |
| 12:59.15 | mumpitze1 | then how did you put the ISO onto the stick? |
| 13:00.27 | Brilliant | with dd |
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| 13:00.51 | Brilliant | the installer starts, but wants allways a cd-device |
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| 13:09.16 | factor | What is the best way to make a recovery usb boot image for D7 |
| 13:09.35 | factor | messed up the boot secotr , need to mount it manually. |
| 13:09.48 | dvs | factor: Debian live iso image |
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| 13:10.28 | factor | dvs:where is that located? |
| 13:11.01 | factor | found it dvs |
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| 13:11.18 | mumpitze1 | factor: the installer you used can be used for that easily |
| 13:11.36 | factor | I copied over the install long ago |
| 13:11.49 | factor | was a boot usb |
| 13:11.54 | mumpitze1 | a netins image is only 150MB vs. 950MB to download for a live ISO |
| 13:11.58 | factor | dont have cdrom anymore |
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| 13:12.38 | mumpitze1 | and to use the live ISO I suggest you use Yumi (if you have a windows handy). will put on the live ISO without deleting anything on the usb stick |
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| 13:12.54 | factor | I am on debian 6.0 box now |
| 13:13.05 | factor | my 7 is lvm install I can mount the drives |
| 13:13.20 | factor | 6 is old skool partitions. |
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| 13:15.25 | factor | Will make a perm usb boot from now on |
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| 13:15.41 | dvs | hence the live iso |
| 13:15.42 | factor | but thanks downloading the live iso |
| 13:16.07 | edju | Running testing and KDE. If I run synaptic-pkexec from the cli, synaptic starts up, asking for the root pswd. However, if I click the icon, which is set to run that same command, I get nada. Any advice greatly appreciated. |
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| 13:30.47 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 13:31.13 | mumpitze1 | why is lxde live 32bit bigger than 64bit? strange |
| 13:31.15 | nyuszika7h | do any packages use UIDs >=900? |
| 13:31.55 | themill | mumpitze1: quite a few i386 images are larger than amd64 images because they contain two (or even 3) kernels |
| 13:32.26 | themill | (-486, -686-pae, -amd64) |
| 13:32.28 | mumpitze1 | almost 100MB it seems.big kernels. and yes it has i486 and i686 :) |
| 13:34.28 | epsilon | nyuszika7h: 1-99 is used by packages, 100-999 are dynamic |
| 13:34.41 | nyuszika7h | ok |
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| 13:36.01 | epsilon | nyuszika7h: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html 9.2.2 for details |
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| 13:36.34 | themill | (also /usr/share/doc/base-passwd) |
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| 13:44.14 | kripz | just dist-upgraded to wheezy from squeeze and im about to reboot but got this: http://pastebin.com/LKMs6Hy7 |
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| 13:48.12 | ChrisH | kripz: you did it using sudo? I fixed it: sudo -i and then rerun the command |
| 13:48.37 | themill | dpkg: tell kripz about sudo path |
| 13:49.02 | kripz | themill, how do i do that |
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| 14:02.09 | GinToniCooL1 | hi guys .help me please |
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| 14:03.16 | GinToniCooL1 | after dist-upgrade ,it show mounting local filesystems ....failed ,help please |
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| 14:14.23 | GinToniCooL1 | after dist-upgrade ,it show mounting local filesystems ....failed ,help please |
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| 14:15.15 | dsychov | Is error message tell why it failed? |
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| 14:15.34 | dsychov | sorry for my English |
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| 14:16.48 | _WolfeZ_ | Hello |
| 14:16.54 | _WolfeZ_ | I want to boot debian |
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| 14:17.29 | _WolfeZ_ | but when i select my usb he is saying no boot ui found |
| 14:17.40 | _WolfeZ_ | en than he says boot:... |
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| 14:17.49 | _WolfeZ_ | en then i need to say something>> |
| 14:17.57 | brandonj | does anybody know why compiz is not in wheezy? |
| 14:18.03 | Fabio | how to install debian jessie? |
| 14:18.46 | _WolfeZ_ | ?? |
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| 14:18.55 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: how did you create your usb stick? |
| 14:19.05 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: Unetbootin |
| 14:19.13 | GinToniCooL1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.20 | mumpitze1 | that's your proble. use win32diskimager or yumi on windows |
| 14:19.32 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: Im on ubuntu?\ |
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| 14:19.56 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: then use dd or cat or cp as the debian manual tells you |
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| 14:20.19 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: Wher can i find that> |
| 14:20.27 | mumpitze1 | the usb stick will be completely overwritten however. cp debianimage.iso /dev/sdd or whatever your usb stick is |
| 14:20.30 | mumpitze1 | !ig |
| 14:20.31 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 14:21.07 | dsychov | GinToniCooL1: try to ask for help on #debian channel on irc.oftc.net, official debian channel |
| 14:21.13 | mumpitze1 | GinToniCooL1: can you log in? if so run "Mount" |
| 14:21.19 | mumpitze1 | *mount |
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| 14:21.36 | mumpitze1 | GinToniCooL1: and check which ones are mounted and which additional ones in /etc/fstab are not |
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| 14:21.57 | GinToniCooL1 | you mean i should run '*mount' ,what's this |
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| 14:22.11 | mumpitze1 | youz should run "mount" |
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| 14:22.49 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: I try it one time aigen or i will do it with the commands! |
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| 14:23.00 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: try what again how? |
| 14:23.02 | GinToniCooL1 | mumpitze1: how ,what should i to do |
| 14:23.05 | factor | ok got the live iso image of 7 see if I can un munge my boot |
| 14:23.16 | mumpitze1 | GinToniCooL1: you should do what I wrote above |
| 14:24.00 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: With booting from unetbootin |
| 14:24.05 | DexterF | is it normal when creating a raid5 that while initially building there's one disk missing like [UUUUU_] ? |
| 14:24.12 | mumpitze1 | !unebootin |
| 14:24.20 | mumpitze1 | !unetbootin |
| 14:24.21 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images: ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 14:24.29 | GinToniCooL1 | how can i check 'ones are mounted and which additional ones in /etc/fstab are not ' |
| 14:24.35 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: you already did and it will not work. unetbootin is shit |
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| 14:24.51 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: But i did it before with debian and it worked |
| 14:24.52 | mumpitze1 | GinToniCooL1: by comparing the output of "mount" with the content of /etc/fstab |
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| 14:25.21 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: past performance is no indication of future results |
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| 14:26.33 | GinToniCooL1 | mumpitze1: you mean that i run 'mount ' in root ,after that ,comparing it with /etc/fstab ,all right ? |
| 14:27.09 | mumpitze1 | no need to run it as root, but basically yes |
| 14:27.25 | mase76 | hi! i have 2 problems with the jessie version of lightdm. my custom background image does not fit the screen. in the earlier version it was stretched automatically. when entering the username, i cannot jump to the pw field with enter. i have to press tab. |
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| 14:28.42 | _WolfeZ_ | Didnt worked |
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| 14:29.41 | _WolfeZ_ | Do i need to unmount my usb stick and then write the debian.iso to my usb? |
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| 14:30.17 | _WolfeZ_ | ?? |
| 14:30.22 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: yes. what command did you use to write the USB stick? |
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| 14:30.29 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, not necessary, make sure you don't write to partition, but to device itself, I mean not to /dev/sdx1 but /dev/sdx |
| 14:30.33 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: No one yet |
| 14:30.42 | _WolfeZ_ | oke |
| 14:30.49 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: then it can't "doesN't work" if you bloody didn't DO anything, can it? |
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| 14:31.04 | aluali | should I install "linux-firmare-nonfree" with "fglrx-driver" or firmwarenonfree is only for radeon driver? |
| 14:31.04 | mumpitze1 | correction: "didn't worked" |
| 14:31.51 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: My usb is dev/sdb |
| 14:32.08 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, then write to it with dd |
| 14:32.14 | _WolfeZ_ | vadimkolchev: Oke |
| 14:32.33 | _WolfeZ_ | so: cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ? |
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| 14:32.48 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, no, use dd |
| 14:32.52 | _WolfeZ_ | vadimkolchev: How?? |
| 14:33.01 | _WolfeZ_ | so: dd debian.iso /dev/sdb ? |
| 14:33.06 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: why not cp? |
| 14:33.27 | _WolfeZ_ | I just do what mumpitze1 Says |
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| 14:33.48 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, it will NOT boot |
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| 14:33.58 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: why not? |
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| 14:34.53 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, it will have no loader, he will have to install it manually after he copies the contents of iso to his usb. If he uses dd he will get bootable installation stick out of the box |
| 14:34.55 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: please read section 4.3.1 of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html |
| 14:35.05 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: you are very mistaken |
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| 14:35.45 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, wow, didn't know that, I'm sorry and I apologize. See this way for the first time, always used dd |
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| 14:36.14 | mumpitze1 | dd and cp do the _exactly_ same thing. remember in unix, everything is a file |
| 14:36.14 | _WolfeZ_ | sudo cp debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb |
| 14:36.19 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: yes |
| 14:36.21 | _WolfeZ_ | nothing happens? |
| 14:36.53 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: it will take a bit of time and then return to prompt. run "sudo fdisk -l" and you will see a (small) partition on your stick. |
| 14:36.57 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, just let it run until you get a prompt. It will take a while |
| 14:36.58 | mumpitze1 | you can also mount this partition |
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| 14:37.43 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: In the usb ? |
| 14:37.59 | _WolfeZ_ | if i use the command i cn typ something? |
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| 14:38.36 | mumpitze1 | no you can't. wait until you get your prompt back |
| 14:38.38 | _WolfeZ_ | mumpitze1: cp: writing ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device |
| 14:38.38 | _WolfeZ_ | cp: failed to extend ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device |
| 14:38.49 | mumpitze1 | how big is the ISO and how big is the usb stick? |
| 14:39.04 | _WolfeZ_ | usb: 14 - 16 gb |
| 14:39.16 | _WolfeZ_ | file 698 mb or something |
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| 14:39.26 | mumpitze1 | _WolfeZ_: you know that everything on the stick will be erased, right? |
| 14:39.35 | mumpitze1 | or already has been erased rather |
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| 14:40.01 | mumpitze1 | something is not right then. what does sudo fdisk -l say? |
| 14:40.14 | _WolfeZ_ | I try aigan! |
| 14:42.15 | _WolfeZ_ | could my usb s name is sdc? |
| 14:43.02 | aluali | should I install "linux-firmare-nonfree" with "fglrx-driver" or firmwarenonfree is only for radeon driver? Thank you. |
| 14:43.24 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, if you put it out and in without unmounting first it could become sdc |
| 14:43.25 | mumpitze1 | aluali: afaik not needed, but since you already install non-free blobs, it doesn't hurt to get it |
| 14:43.29 | Fabio | how to install debian jessie? |
| 14:43.39 | _WolfeZ_ | vadimkolchev: oke |
| 14:43.42 | mumpitze1 | Fabio: you install wheezy and stich |
| 14:43.47 | mumpitze1 | *switch |
| 14:43.49 | intosh | _WolfeZ_: use command dd if=debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdX rather then cp |
| 14:43.52 | aluali | ok ty |
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| 14:44.03 | mumpitze1 | Fabio: and if you don't know how, then you shouldn't run jessie |
| 14:44.39 | themill | intosh: both will work, that's not the issue |
| 14:44.43 | vadimkolchev | _WolfeZ_, probably better if=debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M It will be faster |
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| 14:44.59 | _WolfeZ_ | Its ready |
| 14:45.06 | _WolfeZ_ | Going to try it! |
| 14:45.24 | Fabio | mumpitzel, stich? |
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| 14:45.47 | mumpitze1 | switch |
| 14:46.08 | ompaul | Fabio: you install wheezy and then change the sources to jessie and after that you get your xfce |
| 14:46.33 | ompaul | Fabio: also note there is no security repo for wheezy |
| 14:46.35 | vadimkolchev | Fabio, you have to modify /etc/apt/sources.list and change wheezy entries to jessie |
| 14:46.46 | Fabio | mumpitzel ok |
| 14:46.57 | Fabio | ompaul TNX |
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| 14:47.15 | Fabio | vadimkolchev perfect! |
| 14:47.22 | aluali | at "http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary" debian changed "aticonfig --initial" for "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf", is it the same thing if I do aticonfig --initial after installed fglrx-driver? (it was on the squeeze page) |
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| 14:48.01 | ompaul | aluali: the ati way is not the debian way - so No is the answer to the question |
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| 14:48.28 | Fabio | vadimkolchev then apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:48.58 | ompaul | Fabio: that's the one - if you start with the netinstall wired to the network it works best |
| 14:49.13 | vadimkolchev | Fabio, yes |
| 14:50.30 | Fabio | thankyou at all |
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| 14:52.20 | noz | moof2: I had no idea there was such a "debate" (argument?) going on at the moment re: systemd vs. upstart. It has taken me most of the day to read, and I'm still not much the wiser as to which to choose. |
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| 15:02.53 | dmbaturin | What does "could not open the file /dev/nvidia0 (input/output error)" is supposed to mean? |
| 15:03.20 | dmbaturin | * Sorry for the malformed sentence. |
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| 15:03.54 | seirl | hi, i've got a question about which behavior to adopt when creating a daemon that handles sighup to reload its config |
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| 15:05.04 | seirl | if I handle sighup, i launch the daemon (which isn't supposed to fork) in standalone in a term and i close the term, it won't be killed |
| 15:05.44 | seirl | which is pretty annoying |
| 15:06.16 | seirl | i thought I could check isatty() on stdout to handle sighup or not, but it's a bit dirty |
| 15:06.17 | mumpitze1 | dmbaturin: which driver do you use? |
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| 15:06.58 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: Proprietary. Automatically installed for dependencies with nvidia-xconfig. |
| 15:07.14 | alexbligh1 | seirl, this thing you are launching does not sound like a daemon. A daemon detaches itself from the controlling terminal - see man daemon |
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| 15:08.02 | seirl | alexbligh1: I meant "init script" actually |
| 15:08.14 | seirl | well |
| 15:08.24 | seirl | something which is launched by an init script |
| 15:08.27 | alexbligh1 | seirl, you have an init script that responds to SIGHUP? Init scripts should be short running |
| 15:08.40 | alexbligh1 | seirl, that should fork(). |
| 15:08.48 | seirl | oh, okay |
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| 15:08.49 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: In dmesg I see "NVRM: rm_initadapter failed". |
| 15:08.54 | alexbligh1 | Else it will stop subsequent init scripts running on non-parallel boot |
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| 15:09.12 | alexbligh1 | If you don't want to write the fork() code, I think start-stop-daemon has a way of wrapping something non-forking |
| 15:09.26 | daemonkeeper | Having that said, some people believe detaching from the terminal is 1985 technology and daemons should not do that. |
| 15:09.57 | seirl | alexbligh1: i think i'll just fork() :p |
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| 15:10.23 | alexbligh1 | daemonkeeper, do these correlate highly with people who like to see their daemons die? |
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| 15:11.46 | boodie | Hi ... a trivial question (but not for me) ... how can I add an existing user to an existing group? |
| 15:11.49 | daemonkeeper | alexbligh1: No. They think that job should be handled by a governor who also acts as a watchdog which can restart the process when it dies and so on. As such they claim, suff like runit or systemd should watch over the process. |
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| 15:12.05 | daemonkeeper | Which only works when it does not detach. |
| 15:12.05 | dmbaturin | boodie: man sermod |
| 15:12.09 | dmbaturin | * usermod |
| 15:12.27 | Bronze | seirl: take a peek at the existing init scripts, that are all almost identical and work quite well. and Yess its the code in the daemon thats handles the signals. |
| 15:12.43 | seirl | wat |
| 15:13.02 | alexbligh1 | daemonkeeper, OIC. TBH I write mine with an additional process that forks off and checks the main process is running, and if not reforks it, so SIGABRT in the main daemon does not kill it. But then I'm 1985 vintage. |
| 15:13.22 | daemonkeeper | giggles |
| 15:13.23 | boodie | dmbaturin: usermod -a -G existinggroup existinguser? |
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| 15:15.35 | mumpitze1 | dmbaturin: blacklist nouveau and check if the nvidia.ko module is loaded |
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| 15:17.41 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: That's why I ask. I already did that. |
| 15:19.05 | mumpitze1 | you checked? and what does lsmod say? |
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| 15:23.50 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: lsmod says nvidia is loaded. |
| 15:24.24 | mumpitze1 | and what is in your xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 15:24.46 | dmbaturin | And that nv/nauevau is not loaded. In xorg.conf I have "Driver "nvidia"". |
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| 15:31.25 | vadimkolchev | probably it is a stupid question, but I can't figure out how to format my usb stick to fat 32 in cli. tried mkfs.vfat and mkdosfs and mkfs -t vfat but fdisk continues to show me linux filesystem on my usb partition |
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| 15:32.40 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd1 |
| 15:32.42 | zeroxia | Use fdisk to create the partition. After quitting fdisk, unplug the usb stick and plug it in again. |
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| 15:33.02 | zeroxia | re-plug the usb stick will make sure the system finds the new partition. |
| 15:33.03 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: the partition type you have to change with fdisk or any other partitioning program |
| 15:33.04 | vadimkolchev | zeroxia, did almost that except unplugging |
| 15:33.56 | mumpitze1 | no need to recreate the partition, fdisk and "t" for partition type you can simply change it |
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| 15:35.20 | zeroxia | Sometime the system just doesn't see the changes made by fdisk, maybe that's because I'm on squeeze, which is a bit outdated. |
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| 15:35.34 | vadimkolchev | zeroxia, this was not the issue |
| 15:36.14 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, that worked greatly, thanks, still a lot to learn about fdisk capabilities) |
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| 15:36.49 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: linux doesn't care about partition types. windows however very much chokes on the wrong ones. and since usb sticks are often used with both... |
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| 15:37.55 | vadimkolchev | mumpitze1, sure, I wouldn't object if the machines I have to work with at my job were running linux, but that's impossible) |
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| 15:53.53 | jacklk | What is better, FAT16 or FAT32? |
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| 15:55.42 | jmcnaught | fat32 is newer and probably what you want to use |
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| 15:56.37 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: Well, I've found the problem. It install _legacy_ drivers, with predictable result. |
| 15:56.40 | mumpitze1 | jacklk: if you have a small device, fat16, if you have one which is >4GB then fat32 |
| 15:56.51 | mumpitze1 | dmbaturin: what videocard do you have? |
| 15:56.59 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: 330M. |
| 15:57.29 | jacklk | mumixam, but FAT32 works on my 2GB device |
| 15:57.35 | mumpitze1 | yes, that should work with the current nvidia drivers. 304 or so |
| 15:57.36 | jacklk | Why can't it be used universally? |
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| 15:58.08 | mumpitze1 | jacklk: it works and can be used. it wastes some space for itself tho |
| 15:58.22 | dmbaturin | mumpitze1: Still doesn't solve the question why in von Neuman's sake it decided to install legacy drivers, but now I have X again. |
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| 15:59.08 | census | hi moof2! |
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| 15:59.46 | census | anybody remember me from yesterday? |
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| 16:00.49 | census | how do i get to the root directory? |
| 16:01.04 | fabrax | cd / |
| 16:01.19 | census | fabrax: maybe i am saying it wrong. the directory with the # ? |
| 16:02.51 | fabrax | ls |
| 16:02.53 | fabrax | cd .. |
| 16:03.02 | fabrax | to go up |
| 16:03.05 | fabrax | cd # |
| 16:03.08 | zykotick9 | fabrax: this is not a terminal ;) |
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| 16:03.26 | fabrax | i know, answering census |
| 16:03.48 | fabrax | it sure feels like a terminal |
| 16:04.06 | trystero | census: do you mean how do you get to *be* root (so your shell prompt is #)? if so, "su" |
| 16:04.27 | zykotick9 | i'd suggest using "su -" myself... |
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| 16:05.42 | census | thsanks! |
| 16:05.45 | census | yes su |
| 16:06.16 | census | moot2: ifconfig eth1 up works |
| 16:06.32 | census | moot2: iwlist scan says iwlist command not find |
| 16:06.50 | census | moot2: ip link list shows li eth0 irda0 and eth1, with details on each |
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| 16:08.40 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone tell me the correct "AlsaDevice = hw:1,?" line for an NI Komplete Audio 6? (I'm trying to get it working with mocp.) |
| 16:08.47 | vlt | I tried hw:1,0 and hw:1,1 but always get a "can't send() int to server" error message from mocp |
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| 16:11.40 | trystero | vlt: try "aplay -l" for the list of card,device numbers |
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| 16:19.09 | enigmuriatic1 | if i'm doing a custom installation of GHC, which directory should i use? |
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| 16:24.01 | mumpitze1 | enigmuriatic1: /usr/local or /opt |
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| 16:26.24 | derpderp3200 | Heyo |
| 16:26.38 | derpderp3200 | Could someone give me an example of how sources.list file should look for sid? |
| 16:27.08 | derpderp3200 | I've had a somewhat botched installation and while I did set it up and everything works, I can't find some packages that I think should be in there |
| 16:28.25 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, you need every repo for sid? |
| 16:28.44 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, I mean, main and updates? |
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| 16:28.56 | derpderp3200 | You mean both for sid and the other two? |
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| 16:29.18 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, I mean, you don't mix sid with anything else? Need pure sid? |
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| 16:29.35 | mumpitze1 | vadimkolchev: what updates? |
| 16:29.37 | derpderp3200 | I do not know what you mean |
| 16:29.56 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: which packages are you missing? |
| 16:30.20 | derpderp3200 | I can't seem to find for an example apt-source or apt-mirror-setup that some sites seem to mention |
| 16:30.30 | ImaLamer | I'm having issues getting and keeping the correct static IP in wheezy - i have it set through wicd, and network manager is removed... what else should i prod? |
| 16:30.39 | mumpitze1 | ,v apt-source |
| 16:30.40 | derpderp3200 | Also, can't find language packs |
| 16:30.40 | judd | No package named 'apt-source' was found in i386. |
| 16:30.42 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, you just need to use "unstable" in your sources.list deb yourmirror unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 16:31.01 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: both things don't exist. e.g. sources you get via "apt-get source" |
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| 16:31.19 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: and which localization packages are you missing? |
| 16:31.26 | Mike9863 | Is it a bad idea to update from GNOME 3.4 to 3.8 using sid repos in Debian Wheezy? |
| 16:31.37 | derpderp3200 | I'm not sure, I can't find any |
| 16:31.39 | mumpitze1 | Mike9863: yes |
| 16:31.41 | derpderp3200 | I have ones for specific programs |
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| 16:31.53 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: you are lacking some. which ones are you lacking? |
| 16:31.57 | Mike9863 | mumpitze1: Why? How should I go about updating instead? |
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| 16:32.14 | mumpitze1 | Mike9863: either backport or run sid outright. both not a good idea when you have to ask |
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| 16:32.24 | mumpitze1 | Mike9863: backport is basically impossible |
| 16:32.31 | derpderp3200 | mumpitze1: For example for gnome |
| 16:32.33 | derpderp3200 | Or in general |
| 16:32.34 | derpderp3200 | IDK |
| 16:32.40 | derpderp3200 | I want to install support for the polish language |
| 16:32.44 | derpderp3200 | But can't seem to find out how to |
| 16:33.37 | mumpitze1 | gnome has no i18n packages afaik. it's all integrated into the normal ones |
| 16:33.50 | derpderp3200 | And the normal ones are? |
| 16:33.54 | derpderp3200 | The language-something ones? |
| 16:33.57 | derpderp3200 | I don't have any such languages |
| 16:34.01 | derpderp3200 | Err, packages* |
| 16:34.12 | census | hi mnuhmnuh! |
| 16:34.16 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, I always thought that gnome depends on set locale currently |
| 16:34.21 | mumpitze1 | no. the normal packages. each gnome app comes with the .po files it supports |
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| 16:34.36 | derpderp3200 | Uhhh..... |
| 16:34.45 | derpderp3200 | So how can I make my system be in polish for example? |
| 16:34.51 | mumpitze1 | !locales |
| 16:34.52 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 16:34.53 | derpderp3200 | You know, Xfce4, browsers, etc. |
| 16:35.01 | derpderp3200 | What about setting it just for some users? |
| 16:35.18 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, modify /etc/locale.gen up to your needs, and then run locale-gen |
| 16:35.19 | mumpitze1 | same: you can set $LANG to whatever you want in your login scripts |
| 16:35.41 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, however the example I gave you is systemwide |
| 16:36.01 | derpderp3200 | Ummm |
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| 16:36.13 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, missed one step, you have to export $LANG variable for the needed language afterwards |
| 16:36.15 | derpderp3200 | Are there, you know, ways to do basic system tasks without touching any config files manually? |
| 16:36.38 | derpderp3200 | I mean, CLI commands are borderline ok, but having to write config files for something as basic as language settings...? |
| 16:36.42 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, for gnome3 none that I'm aware of currently, but I don't know everything |
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| 16:37.07 | derpderp3200 | So, what file should I put the LANG in? And what should I set it to? |
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| 16:37.50 | obiwahn | are there any known problems with gnome in sid |
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| 16:38.06 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, look at /etc/locale.gen - it is rather clear there, you have to uncomment needed line for polish language. I think it is like pl_PL.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 16:38.59 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: pl_PL.UTF-8 is your locale |
| 16:39.08 | fabrax | obiwan: apart from the fact that gnome3 is naff... |
| 16:39.22 | mumpitze1 | obiwahn: bugs.debian.org knows |
| 16:39.51 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, after you uncomment it in /etc/locale.gen save the changes, run locale-gen as root |
| 16:40.05 | obiwahn | mumpitze1: is i knew the exact lib etc ... |
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| 16:40.33 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, you should see the output that it generates locales and your locale |
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| 16:40.46 | derpderp3200 | Hm, ok, now I assume I put something like "export LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8" somewhere, but where? |
| 16:40.48 | vadimkolchev | after that export your $LANG variable |
| 16:40.59 | derpderp3200 | From bash/zsh ? |
| 16:41.05 | derpderp3200 | Don't I need to write it in a file or anything? |
| 16:41.11 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, from bash just run it |
| 16:41.28 | derpderp3200 | Does running it for another user via su work? |
| 16:41.48 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, try it, dunno |
| 16:41.59 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, I only did it systemwide |
| 16:42.11 | vadimkolchev | derpderp3200, so I did it as root |
| 16:42.16 | mumpitze1 | derpderp3200: read the factoid from dpkg again |
| 16:42.21 | mumpitze1 | !tell derpderp3200 about locales |
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| 16:44.44 | vlt | trystero: Thank you. I get three lines. May I paste them here? |
| 16:44.58 | vlt | "card 1: K6 [Komplete Audio 6], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]" |
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| 16:46.11 | vlt | How does the hw:?,? line look like to address a playback device in ALSA? |
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| 16:46.37 | derpderp3200 | Hmm, mumpitze1, vadimkolchev, one more last thing |
| 16:46.43 | derpderp3200 | I know what files to use for zsh/bash |
| 16:46.49 | derpderp3200 | But what files do I use for whole sessions? |
| 16:47.01 | derpderp3200 | Like if I wanted to put export LANG=something somewhere then where would I? |
| 16:47.09 | derpderp3200 | Something like .loginrc or something, idk |
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| 16:47.35 | vlt | How can I set the card to be used in aplay? |
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| 16:49.54 | ChrisH | Guest68691: run it using bash -xv to see what gets executed. |
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| 16:53.00 | Fabio | instead startx wich login manager i could install 4 xfce? |
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| 16:54.38 | ImaLamer | Fabio: you are looking for alternatives to GDM and KDM? |
| 16:55.43 | Fabio | ImaLamer no, i simple install debian testing w/o default de.. after i setup xfce but i need default login manager of xfce |
| 16:56.25 | Fabio | imalamer, now i must use startx after text login |
| 16:56.40 | rozie | lightdm is OK |
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| 16:57.13 | Fabio | rozie is the default 4 xfce? |
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| 16:58.02 | ImaLamer | Fabio: try lightdm |
| 16:58.13 | Fabio | TNX |
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| 16:59.38 | Mike9863 | I've got a Radeon HD 4200 Series card and I'm trying to use the proprietary drivers on Debian Wheezy. I followed the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary that tell me to install the legacy package however when I restarted my system my login screen wouldn't load. I'm assuming it's because of this http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522 bug so I downgraded to xorg version 1.11 but the same issue occurs. |
| 17:00.02 | Fabio | it's better or not to use a login manager? |
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| 17:01.22 | ImaLamer | Fabio: that's a hard question to answer - if it's just you and you don't need one, why use one? |
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| 17:02.43 | Fabio | imalamer, lightness of the system? |
| 17:03.23 | Fabio | or is indifferent? |
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| 17:04.27 | mumpitze1 | Mike9863: how did you downgrade your xorg? |
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| 17:05.41 | Mike9863 | mumpitze1: I added a snapshot repository from a few days before the upgrade to version 1.12 and pinned the xorg packages to that. |
| 17:05.57 | census | hi! i am trying to install debian but it is not going well. i cannot do anything. i have a black screen. network issues. it is a mess. can anybody pleaes help? |
| 17:06.10 | census | i've done commands of the sort like ping 8.8.8.8. to help diagnose |
| 17:06.13 | mumpitze1 | census: what installer? |
| 17:06.21 | census | i don't know |
| 17:06.21 | mumpitze1 | and what hardware? |
| 17:06.24 | census | should i still you the .iso? |
| 17:06.42 | mumpitze1 | if you don't know what debian installer file you downloaded you are not suitable to install anything: go and hire someone then |
| 17:07.52 | jmcnaught | census: hey i was trying to help you last night |
| 17:07.56 | census | mumpitzel: you are correct. people in this forum were very kind to help me yesterday! |
| 17:08.03 | census | hi jmcnaught!! :) |
| 17:08.07 | census | thank you for repsonding!! :) |
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| 17:08.17 | jmcnaught | census: honestly i think you'd be better off reading some documentation to improve your understanding of the concepts |
| 17:08.20 | mumpitze1 | census: you didn't hire someone from here |
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| 17:08.42 | census | jmcnaught: were you the one who recommended a different .iso? |
| 17:08.44 | jmcnaught | and then come here to ask questions about concepts you don't quite get |
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| 17:09.30 | jmcnaught | census: i think i recommended trying the same .iso but with the firmware files unzipped on a USB stick, so the debian-installer would be able to load your wifi properly during the installation |
| 17:09.46 | census | jmcnaught: i have 3 files on the usb. |
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| 17:10.23 | census | ipw2100-1.3.fw ; ipw2100-1.3-i.fw ; and ipw2100-1.3-p.fw |
| 17:10.27 | census | are these the 3? |
| 17:10.53 | CaptainK | I thought archlinux was going to be awesome...then *halt*...smashed against systemd and erogant channel supporers...sure hope debian sticks with init |
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| 17:11.45 | jmcnaught | census: i don't know what specific files you need for your computer |
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| 17:12.04 | census | jmcnaught then how would i know if i got the correct 3? |
| 17:12.36 | mumpitze1 | !firmware installer |
| 17:12.37 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 17:13.00 | mumpitze1 | census: but for you I suggest a different approach |
| 17:13.03 | census | yes that is what i tried to do |
| 17:13.04 | mumpitze1 | !firmware image |
| 17:13.05 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 17:13.07 | jmcnaught | census: i usually put all of the available firmware files on a USB stick. this is assuming that your issue is that firmware was not loaded for your wifi. i recall some confusion last night |
| 17:13.26 | census | jmcnaught: i don't know. i put those 3 files on the usb during the installation |
| 17:13.26 | mumpitze1 | census: get an installer image with firmware included |
| 17:13.37 | census | mumpitzel: would tha tentail a different .iso? |
| 17:13.54 | jmcnaught | census: mumpitzel is right, use the netinstal .iso that has the firmware included it'll be less confusing |
| 17:13.59 | mumpitze1 | yes it would |
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| 17:14.38 | census | i had used debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso. i downloaded debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso. should i go with this second one? |
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| 17:15.31 | jmcnaught | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:15.38 | jmcnaught | use that one |
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| 17:17.52 | census | hi Shadow' ! |
| 17:18.13 | census | jmcnaught: so burn that .iso onto a cd |
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| 17:18.30 | census | jmcnaught: install debian from scratch using that one ? |
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| 17:18.53 | mumpitze1 | census: use an usb stick instead |
| 17:19.17 | mumpitze1 | the data on the usb stick will be gone however. backup it beforehand |
| 17:19.35 | jmcnaught | that .iso should let you use wifi during the installation. or you should get a longer network cable and do the installation plugged into the router |
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| 17:22.16 | census | mumpitzel: i'm nto following. i can only boot to this laptop from a cd, usb was not an option. although it did say that i can add the firmware via usb during the instlalation process |
| 17:22.43 | census | jmcnaught: i have a long network cable. plugged into the router? what does that entail? |
| 17:23.05 | jmcnaught | census: last night having the cable plugged in was an issue for some reason |
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| 17:24.17 | jmcnaught | if you cannot get wifi working with this firmware .iso, do the installation with the laptop plugged into the router (the whole time) |
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| 17:24.44 | master2 | Hi. Just installed Debian wheezy. I then found a gnome3.4 theme on gnome-looks.org...how do i install this? Any guides? |
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| 17:26.52 | berarma | master2: you need the user-themes extension, then put the theme files in ~/.themes or something alike, check the extension instructions |
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| 17:27.46 | c0rnel | hello |
| 17:28.07 | census | jmcnaught: normally the cable goes from the laptop to the modem? |
| 17:28.12 | c0rnel | can anyone read debian-news.net ? |
| 17:28.13 | census | sorry i'm not good with all the buzz words |
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| 17:28.26 | census | the linksys thing i have i thought is the router ... |
| 17:29.07 | jmcnaught | census: maybe you have a friend who knows linux that can guide you through the installation? |
| 17:29.25 | census | jmcnaught: well frankly i just want windows xp back |
| 17:29.35 | master2 | berarma: any chance you know where these instructions are? |
| 17:29.37 | census | jmcnaught: i just want to read .pdf files on this machine and do things like excel |
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| 17:31.01 | jmcnaught | census: you can do all of that in debian. plugging computers into the router is the same on windows as it is on debian |
| 17:31.11 | master2 | this is pretty ridiculously difficult just to get a theme to work. |
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| 17:33.26 | census | jmcnaught: can i use my windows cds to install these programs? the windows .exe files? |
| 17:33.40 | fabrax | master2: gnome3, why bother? Are you not the Master.... :) |
| 17:34.06 | jmcnaught | census: honestly i'm not sure if you're a troll at this point |
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| 17:34.59 | jmcnaught | census: you can run some windows software on linux using Wine, but there are native linux alternatives to most windows software |
| 17:35.18 | master2 | So what's the typical path to install a theme. Download -> extract -> place folders in .themes. Now what? |
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| 17:35.44 | census | jmcnaught: i'm for real. i don't know what you mean by troll. honestly i'm just not good at computing. i have this machine that i just want to restore. i do have a friend who konws linux who suggested i use debian on it because windows xp is out of business |
| 17:36.27 | nickdaly | If anyone's missing the gnome-power-manager applet in Wheezy (since the Gnome2->3 transition), try the xfce4-power-manager. It seems like a drop-in replacement :) |
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| 17:36.41 | jmcnaught | census: ok sorry :) my advice is get that friend to help you. or get a book about linux from the library |
| 17:37.10 | census | jmcnaught: he does not know anymore. and i'm not very computer literate. i'm doing the best that i can |
| 17:37.24 | census | i know how to computer program a little. i word process. i don' thave sophisticated needs |
| 17:37.52 | master2 | it feels like debian doesn't want you to change themes :( |
| 17:38.00 | master2 | ...or customize much at all |
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| 17:38.48 | c0rnel | you mean gnome3? |
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| 17:39.12 | census | jmcnaught: anwyays i'm downloading this .iso now. |
| 17:39.17 | census | what exactly do you suggest doing? |
| 17:39.19 | jmcnaught | census: well there are some excellent linux books out there that can guide you through installation and explain all the concepts |
| 17:39.22 | mumpitze1 | master2: that's certainly not a debian trait but a very normal gnome trait |
| 17:39.30 | census | reinstall debian with the modem? |
| 17:39.34 | berarma | master2: google should know |
| 17:39.36 | fabrax | master2: you did not have to install gnome3, try kde or trinitydesktop, gnome3 is in my experience not easy to configure...There is also lxde, xfe, and so on... |
| 17:39.41 | census | aren't i normally directly connected to the router? |
| 17:39.47 | census | isn't it modem -> router -> computer ? |
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| 17:40.12 | jmcnaught | census: i don't know your normal network setup. usually computers are connected to the router (which is then conencted to a modem) |
| 17:40.34 | master2 | mumpitze1: yes i know :( |
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| 17:40.44 | master2 | i'm tempted to go back to IceWM |
| 17:40.53 | jmcnaught | at least the default gnome3 theme is nice... i like it at least |
| 17:40.58 | census | jmcnaught: so yes i think that is my set up. wha tare you suggesting differently? |
| 17:41.04 | census | i hear gnome3 is great but hard |
| 17:41.07 | c0rnel | likes openbox |
| 17:41.22 | berarma | master2: gnome-tweak-tool can install and handle gnome themes |
| 17:41.38 | master2 | ah, got it. |
| 17:41.39 | jmcnaught | census: i'm suggesting that if you cannot connect laptop with wifi during the installation, you may need to have a network cable plugged in |
| 17:41.46 | master2 | needs to be in a subfolder of it's own under .themes |
| 17:41.54 | census | jmcnaught: isn'tt aht what i'm already doing? |
| 17:41.58 | census | (just not successfully) |
| 17:42.00 | c0rnel | berama, what about gdm?can its theme be changed too? |
| 17:42.02 | master2 | and "install theme" just doesn't seem to work, but manually copying seems to |
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| 17:42.43 | master2 | so does gdm3 allow themes? |
| 17:42.49 | berarma | c0rnel: I think it should use the same gnome theme, not sure |
| 17:43.31 | c0rnel | thank you |
| 17:44.00 | jmcnaught | census: i don't know? last night there was a lot of confusion about whether or not that cable was plugged in |
| 17:44.36 | jmcnaught | census: you're trying to use a "network installation" disc, which clearly needs to be connected to a network in order to install |
| 17:44.43 | master2 | oh..so i need gdm3setup and it's not in debian repos? |
| 17:44.44 | census | jmcnaught: it plugged in i believe but not working somehow when plugged into that machine |
| 17:44.54 | census | do can i use a different disc? |
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| 17:45.07 | mumpitze1 | census: what machine is this you are trying to install debian on? |
| 17:45.10 | master2 | I could have sworn ten years ago I could configure all this crap easily with Debian :-/ |
| 17:45.14 | jmcnaught | census: that firmware .iso file will probably let you use wifi during the installation |
| 17:45.29 | census | debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso forget about that? |
| 17:45.31 | census | install debian from scratch using the one you suggested? |
| 17:45.39 | census | mumpitzel: lenovo r40 |
| 17:45.42 | census | thinkpad ibm |
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| 17:46.57 | c0rnel | is this a 64bit machine, census? |
| 17:47.00 | jmcnaught | debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso probably does not include the necessary firmware |
| 17:47.41 | jmcnaught | firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso will have the firmware for your wifi card, which means you can install without having the computer plugged into network (which was a major issue last night) |
| 17:48.35 | census | ok great, thanks! |
| 17:48.43 | census | jmcnaught so reinstall debian from scratch with that? |
| 17:48.50 | census | can i use the same cd somehow? |
| 17:49.02 | census | that is can i somehow delete the contents of the current cd and burn new stuff onto it? |
| 17:49.14 | jmcnaught | census: i recommend reinstall debian from scratch using the firmware .iso |
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| 17:49.30 | census | jmcnaught: yes ok i will do that after the istallation is over |
| 17:49.37 | census | but can i burn that .iso onto the same cd |
| 17:49.38 | census | i'm low on cd |
| 17:50.09 | jmcnaught | census: you need to use a new CD unless the one you used is rewritable |
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| 17:52.06 | census | ok thanks |
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| 17:55.50 | grenev | Hi |
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| 17:56.17 | grenev | I wanted to understand something about Debian non-free classification |
| 17:56.54 | grenev | A couple of weeks ago I tried installing Wheezy on a laptop using the netinstall disk |
| 17:57.09 | grenev | the installer showed up fine and did its thing |
| 17:57.31 | grenev | Come post install first boot, I see a populating /dev hang |
| 17:57.52 | grenev | I postulated that it was a problem with the gpu driver |
| 17:58.00 | grenev | Its an AMDS apu btw |
| 17:58.23 | grenev | so anyway I create a bootable usb with wheezy non-free firmware included |
| 17:58.46 | grenev | and upon booting I get garbage output on the screen |
| 17:59.12 | grenev | which gave me the clue that there was something wrong with the driversin both instances |
| 17:59.21 | grenev | am I right? |
| 17:59.39 | grenev | Should I have used sid instead for better hardware support? |
| 17:59.55 | grenev | or do the latest drivers get backported to stable all the time? |
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| 18:00.15 | mumpitze1 | no. how long ago was this and which APU? |
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| 18:00.32 | grenev | Its a E-300 |
| 18:00.37 | mumpitze1 | tho, no new APU has been out recently, just a relabeling |
| 18:00.46 | mumpitze1 | that one is old as yonks |
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| 18:00.58 | grenev | toshiba satellite c855 |
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| 18:01.43 | grenev | its gpu is an AMD 6310 |
| 18:02.16 | grenev | ok so if its not a firmware issue what could it be? |
| 18:02.27 | grenev | *In your opinion |
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| 18:09.18 | grenev | I turned on the verbose option in grub and it hangs at this stage: waiting for /dev to be populated... |
| 18:09.18 | grenev | input:Power Button as /devicesLNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNPOCOC:00/input/input1 ACPI: Power Button [PWRB] |
| 18:09.18 | grenev | Input:Lid Switch as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNPOCOD:00/input/input2 |
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| 18:13.12 | grenev | any idea as to what that could mean then? |
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| 18:19.47 | ChrisH | grenev: you are using a laptop. |
| 18:19.55 | grenev | yes |
| 18:20.08 | grenev | ChrisH: yes |
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| 18:20.41 | elkingrey | I recently installed Debian on an old hp pavilion zv5000 laptop, and it's got an S-Video card with an outlet that allows me to plug it into my TV. I can't get that to work anymore. I'm assuming I'm going to need some nonfree software. I'm not sure which nonfree software I'm going to need, though. Also, I know the video card is nvidea. Is S-Video card the same as nvidea, or are they two separate cards? |
| 18:21.04 | ChrisH | grenev: I know... it simply means your Powerbutton and lidswitch ( detects display shut) are detected and are expected to work |
| 18:21.04 | robert5 | What does this error message mean http://pastebin.com/45qbGrus ? Where should I post it? |
| 18:21.51 | grenev | Chrish: but it never moves past this point in booting though. |
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| 18:22.30 | vadimkolchev | where to find more detailed examples of debian packaging than in wiki? |
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| 18:23.12 | ChrisH | grenev: thats a differen point. I did not see you were wrting a longer time. sorry but My shift is over and I will be offline now. |
| 18:23.46 | grenev | ok thanks anyway |
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| 18:24.38 | robert5 | all Trace <IRQ> [<ffffffff81046a55>] ? warn_slowpath_common+0x78/0x8c |
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| 18:34.27 | acu | are the btrfs pathches ported into debian kernel ? |
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| 18:35.24 | elkng | is there anyone ? |
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| 18:35.49 | elkng | is "9p distributed file system" supported in debian ? what packages should I look for ? or its only for Plan9 OS ? |
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| 18:36.18 | grenev | elkng its used in kvm |
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| 18:36.52 | elkng | what is kvm ? |
| 18:37.10 | grenev | Linux's native virtualization solution |
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| 18:37.28 | elkng | grenev: its used only to communicate files with virtual OSes ? |
| 18:38.07 | grenev | its well suited for that because of speed |
| 18:38.25 | grenev | its a network protocol |
| 18:38.33 | grenev | rather than a native filesystem |
| 18:38.38 | Dwarf | I changed my hostname and domainname on debian and now my sudo tells me that it cannot open display :0,0 |
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| 18:38.48 | grenev | AFAIK it blurs the lines between local and remote |
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| 18:39.44 | zophy | is vmware server the best answer for local virtual machines ? |
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| 18:40.59 | grenev | zophy: if vendor lockin and security holes are your thing then yeah. |
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| 18:41.35 | edju | Running testing and KDE. If I run synaptic-pkexec from the cli, synaptic starts up, asking for the root pswd. However, if I click the icon, which is set to run that same command, I get nada. Any advice greatly appreciated. |
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| 18:42.22 | grenev | elkng: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9P |
| 18:42.25 | mumpitze1 | zophy: VMWare server is EOL for years now. it's an ex product |
| 18:42.34 | grenev | 9p protocol is analogus to NFS |
| 18:42.55 | mumpitze1 | zophy: look into kvm+qemu or virtualbox |
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| 18:43.55 | grenev | zophy: kvm is completely opensource and packs way more features than Virtualbox |
| 18:44.24 | grenev | its easy to use with many gui tools for it |
| 18:44.30 | elkng | grenev: I asked because that page http://harmful.cat-v.org/software says "9p" is less harmful than "nfs" |
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| 18:45.32 | grenev | elkng: that is correct it is much more secure |
| 18:46.00 | elkng | grenev: but is it more reliable and stable ? |
| 18:46.37 | grenev | yes and that is why its used in corporate needs like virtualization |
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| 18:50.22 | grenev | elkng: ok upon second look this site seems to be trolling |
| 18:50.30 | grenev | its an anti GNU site |
| 18:51.20 | grenev | copyleft licenses guarntee that no parasites aka Apple will ingest the code and leave the original project for dead |
| 18:52.24 | grenev | if you disagree then feel free to be slave labor for a corporation |
| 18:52.29 | grenev | its your time and energy |
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| 18:53.18 | robert5 | Is there a command to see which devices are using IRQs? |
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| 18:58.17 | Elw3 | hello, i am looking for the package that allows the file managers to see partitions. hope that is a package at all and not a script.... |
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| 19:00.26 | mumpitze1 | robert5: cat /proc/interrupts ? |
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| 19:00.29 | vargzzz | can anyone tell me how do i add the line ShowOnlyIn=KDE to every desktop file in /usr/share/applications/kde ? without manually editing each and every file ? |
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| 19:01.56 | Elw3 | vargzzz you would need to write a script. is it only appending to the last line? that would be easy |
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| 19:03.30 | DexterF | creating a raid5, shouldn't the first init list all drives, [UUUUUU] instead of one missing like here: [UUUUU_] ? |
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| 19:04.45 | frostschutz | DexterF, is it still syncing? |
| 19:04.51 | DexterF | frostschutz: yes |
| 19:05.16 | frostschutz | it should go from _ to U when sync finishes |
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| 19:06.08 | DexterF | frostschutz: alright then. seems weird to be, but if you say so. that sync is gonna take another 2 days, so I wouldn't want to tinker with it more than necessary :) |
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| 19:12.23 | robert5 | mumpitzel: thanks. I was hoping for something different. Oh well. |
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| 19:31.34 | Dark_light | Which breaks less often and less seriously, testing or unstable? because here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.html it suggests to use sid rather than testing |
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| 19:34.59 | DexterF | Dark_light: i knwo a guy from irc.gimp.net who says he hasnt been happier than with sid. up to date, still stable etc. ymmv. |
| 19:35.06 | elkingrey | Can somebody help me? I recently added an nvidia driver to my computer and it won't start fully any more. I followed these instructions http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-173xx when I think I should have followed these instructions http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_96.43.23_.28legacy_GPUs.29 |
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| 19:35.24 | DexterF | Dark_light: but as I ran testing for a while: there's gonna be *lots* of updates |
| 19:36.12 | DexterF | so expect to reboot the machine every couple of days when new kernels come in |
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| 19:49.59 | Dark_light | DexterF: that's no big deal as long as there are no breakages, do they happen frequently? |
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| 19:50.36 | DexterF | Dark_light: I guess that depends on the weird 3rd party repos rather than anythign else |
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| 19:51.17 | DexterF | Dark_light: I haven't heard so far that sid got unbootable by just upgrading, but I'd make regular backups :) |
| 19:51.20 | superlinux-hp | hi. gnome 3.4 system settings is not starting at all. what should i do? |
| 19:52.26 | Lns | superlinux-hp, have you tried running system settings from a terminal to see if there's any error output? |
| 19:52.56 | superlinux-hp | lol! i couldn't figure out its binary name |
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| 19:53.29 | superlinux-hp | Lns, what would be the name? |
| 19:53.36 | Lns | trying to figure out |
| 19:53.57 | Lns | superlinux-hp, it's "systemsettings" ;) |
| 19:54.02 | Lns | oh wait |
| 19:54.11 | superlinux-hp | that's kde's |
| 19:54.15 | Lns | that's for kde looks like..they look similar now haha |
| 19:54.24 | superlinux-hp | i am talking about the kde |
| 19:54.31 | superlinux-hp | sorry i mean gnome |
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| 19:56.02 | Dark_light | DexterF: what about testing? |
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| 19:57.00 | Lns | superlinux-hp, looks like it's intergrated pretty tightly or something..i can't find the ps even when i run it |
| 19:57.39 | superlinux-hp | ok thanks |
| 19:58.07 | Lns | try ~/.xsession-errors maybe |
| 19:58.09 | Rix | hi, i've written a new partition table, but: WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
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| 19:58.26 | jmcnaught | Dark_light: early in the development cycle (like right now) there's going to be more big changes that can potentially break testing and unstable. if you can't afford to have your computer go do, use stable. if you don't mind the occassional hiccup you can use testing or unstable |
| 19:58.31 | Rix | i understand that the kernel is still using the old table, so my question is: how do i keep the old, i don't want the new (i made a mistake)? |
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| 19:58.54 | jmcnaught | i ran unstable on one of my home computers for all of last year, but i switched to Wheezy when it was released |
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| 20:00.20 | jmcnaught | personally i prefer stability over having the newest version of everything, which is one of the reasons to use Debian IMO |
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| 20:03.20 | elkingrey | For the first time just a few minutes ago I needed to start in recovery mode. What I find highly disturbing is that it started me off as root! I didn't even have to type my password in! Isn't that a MAJOR security flaw? What's going on here? |
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| 20:04.23 | Dark_light | jmcnaught: in most cases I do too but there funcionalities that are not present and (few) bugs that can't be fixed in gnome 3.4 , also with the 3.2 kernel I have issues powering off my laptop while on battery |
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| 20:06.47 | jmcnaught | Dark_light: my experience with unstable wasn't too bad, it was about as reliable as ubuntu. there were updates to do everyday, and you cannot use ATI/Nvidia drivers with unstable (because updates will break it) |
| 20:07.07 | jmcnaught | also I think that testing doesn't have security updates until it's almost ready to be released |
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| 20:08.17 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: that's how it's always been. if a person has physical access to your computer they can compromise it anyways without the recovery mode. if you're really worried you could maybe add a boot password in the bios, or encrypt your hard drive |
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| 20:10.19 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: That's lame. What's the whole point of even having root passwords then? |
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| 20:12.04 | jelly-home | elkingrey: it still works well for remote usage. |
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| 20:13.37 | jmcnaught | yeah.. it protects the system under normal use. but if someone can gain physical access to a computer, they don't need recovery mode to compromise it. they could for example remove the hard drive and install a root kit to it, then replace it |
| 20:13.43 | unr3al011 | hey i got a network problem: i have 2 local servers and 1 local client. my local client uploads a 4.5gb testfile to each local server. not simultaneously. server 1 (1gbit) has transferrate of ~ 100mb/s , but server 2(also 1gbit) has a transfer rate of ~40mb/s.the file is read from ssd(client) and written to ssd(server 1+ 2). why isserver 2 so slow? all 3 machines have 1gbit network card |
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| 20:14.04 | unr3al011 | transfer is over ftp |
| 20:14.52 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: Okay, thanks for the lesson. So, FDE is the only way to protect your computer, and it's got to be turned OFF when they get to it. |
| 20:15.10 | jelly-home | unr3al011: to exclude disk issues, test bandwidth with something like iperf |
| 20:15.37 | unr3al011 | problem is my client is windows and i cannot run it then |
| 20:15.49 | jelly-home | unr3al011: why not? |
| 20:15.54 | unr3al011 | i benchmarked all ssd's and they have an average read / write of 300m/s |
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| 20:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | do we have a factoid on flash in chromium? |
| 20:17.24 | unr3al011 | ok just noticed iperf is available for windows too |
| 20:17.52 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: yeah i guess if it's on they can freeze the RAM and pull encryption keys from it. that's a much more sophisticated attack than even the hard drive stuff i was talking about though |
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| 20:20.12 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: server #1: 669Mbits/s , serer #2 550 Mbits/s |
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| 20:22.25 | jelly-home | unr3al011: increase the tcp window size, for a start, see how much it helps |
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| 20:23.19 | jmcnaught | unr3al011: are both servers running the same OS and ftp daemon? |
| 20:24.36 | unr3al011 | yes |
| 20:24.38 | unr3al011 | debian 7, proftpd |
| 20:25.03 | unr3al011 | increase to what for example? tcp window size was 16kb |
| 20:25.09 | unr3al011 | 32kb , 1mb? :P |
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| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | unr3al011: 2MB would be nice |
| 20:26.53 | unr3al011 | do i have to set it on the client or server? |
| 20:27.06 | ScottO_ | is there a test i can run on vps servers to compare hosts? |
| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | both, but client primarily |
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| 20:27.42 | unr3al011 | when i run iperf test a 2nd time, the tcp window size automagically increased to ~80kb... |
| 20:27.49 | ScottO_ | or even configurations |
| 20:28.14 | unr3al011 | AND i got a message "kernel:[ 2024.472106] Disabling IRQ #16 |
| 20:28.16 | unr3al011 | ". after this message my speed was 4.49mbits/s |
| 20:28.37 | jelly-home | unr3al011: which machine, 1 or 2? Which debian release is this? |
| 20:28.49 | unr3al011 | all tests go on machine 2. machine 1 is just reference |
| 20:28.52 | unr3al011 | debian 7.0 wheezy |
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| 20:29.21 | jelly-home | unr3al011: pastebin that last 100-200 lines of dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log |
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| 20:30.17 | unr3al011 | http://pastebin.com/EGiDAV9p |
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| 20:33.06 | jelly-home | r8169? Try a different kernel; if that fails, get a decent card instead. |
| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:33.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc5-686-pae (3.10~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 20:33.19 | unr3al011 | mh i never did a kernel update :| |
| 20:33.35 | DexterF | in a mix of small and large files (from few K to few G), should I go for ext4 or xfs? |
| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | and there's no ready-made backport for wheezy yet |
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| 20:34.00 | kexibq | how to set persistent DNS in 7.0 wheezy? |
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| 20:37.32 | fgh1 | how can i on the fly(without rebooting add ip adresses/gateway's and remove them |
| 20:37.37 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: i also got a 2nd onboard gbit lan port, or a 100mbit network card |
| 20:37.48 | jelly-home | kexibq: if the machine gets IP and dns resolver setup via dhcp, read /msg dpkg override dns |
| 20:38.03 | fgh1 | i have multiple ip adresses on my system and i wanne add new one remove old whenever i want to but i'm having a hard time with it with the eth0:0 and eth0:1 |
| 20:39.00 | kexibq | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 20:39.04 | kexibq | is that jelly from the arch bbs? |
| 20:39.07 | ImaLamer | unr3al011: r8169 sometimes works better with the 8168 (dkms) modules |
| 20:39.08 | jelly-home | fgh1: you ought to have only one default gateway at a time; other alias configuration should NOT have a gateway line |
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| 20:39.23 | jelly-home | kexibq: different person |
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| 20:39.43 | unr3al011 | sorry can you explain a bit more what i have to do? i am not very familiar with that |
| 20:40.05 | peterrooney | I'm trying to build a factoid that has '(', '$', and ')' in it; the escapes are eluding me. |
| 20:40.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell unr3al011 about r8168 |
| 20:40.31 | fgh1 | well i have 2 ip adresses(seperate network) so other default gateway how can i se them both why not ip adresses can use seperate gateways? |
| 20:40.38 | jelly-home | ,v r8168-dkms |
| 20:40.39 | judd | Package: r8168-dkms on i386 -- sid: 8.035.00-2 |
| 20:40.41 | ImaLamer | unr3al011: you can install the r8168 dkms module with apt-get - though your mileage may vary if it will or won't help you with your 8169 |
| 20:40.48 | fgh1 | maby i can set a primary gateway and a secondary gateway? |
| 20:41.10 | jelly-home | ImaLamer: can't install it with apt unless sid repo is enabled, and that's not a good idea |
| 20:41.19 | unr3al011 | so i shall do apt-get install r8168? |
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| 20:41.54 | ImaLamer | jelly-home: it's been in unstable for quite some time |
| 20:42.08 | jelly-home | unr3al011: no. get it from http://packages.debian.org/r8168-dkms and install with dpkg |
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| 20:42.31 | jelly-home | unr3al011: in addition, install build-essential and linux-headers-amd64 first |
| 20:42.44 | neagix | can anbyody help me with this? "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 20:42.46 | neagix | I am pulling hair :( |
| 20:42.50 | unr3al011 | okay |
| 20:43.09 | ImaLamer | fgh1: one gateway per NIC, so each interface will have it's own |
| 20:43.54 | xand | you don't want one gateway per NIC, just one overrale |
| 20:43.55 | xand | -e |
| 20:43.58 | xand | neagix: from what? |
| 20:44.10 | neagix | xand: ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 20:44.28 | unr3al011 | mhh it needs packet dkms :| install it over apt? |
| 20:44.47 | unr3al011 | ok its done i think |
| 20:44.54 | xand | fgh1: and you can add/remove IP addresses with "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0" (or replace add with del) |
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| 20:45.14 | xand | neagix: what's in your interfaces file? |
| 20:45.26 | unr3al011 | it completes but printed out this message 8 times: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 20:45.43 | neagix | xand: auto eth0, tried both with iface eth0 inet dhcp and static |
| 20:45.45 | neagix | same results |
| 20:46.01 | neagix | and I have an auto-generated udev persistent rule |
| 20:46.37 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: its ready. shall i reboot? |
| 20:46.44 | xand | neagix: see if dmesg has more info |
| 20:46.54 | ImaLamer | fgh1: you really *can* have multiple "default" gateways and use a metric value for preference (i.e. the prefered goes down)... but this is a networking question overall |
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| 20:47.28 | neagix | xand: nothing |
| 20:47.42 | jelly-home | ,file lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw |
| 20:47.47 | judd | Search for lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw in wheezy/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw |
| 20:47.55 | ImaLamer | unr3al011: you seem to have an error to resolve! |
| 20:47.59 | jelly-home | unr3al011: install firmware-realtek while you still have access |
| 20:48.14 | jelly-home | ImaLamer: that's a warning, not an error |
| 20:48.27 | neagix | xand: could be some missing kernel module? |
| 20:48.53 | xand | neagix: if you run "ifconfig" with no options, does it list eth0? |
| 20:48.58 | neagix | xand: no |
| 20:49.01 | unr3al011 | its not in apt, so install over dpkg, right? sry for asking but i do not want to kill my network connection :| only come via putty on it :P |
| 20:49.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell unr3al011 about non-free sources |
| 20:49.16 | neagix | xand: but eth0 is in /sys/class/net/ |
| 20:49.18 | jelly-home | unr3al011: you don't have console access? |
| 20:49.34 | xand | neagix: "ifconfig eth0" shows it OK? |
| 20:49.48 | neagix | xand: yes. /proc/net/if_inet6 is missing..but that shouldn't be a problem, right? |
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| 20:50.09 | unr3al011 | i only have console access |
| 20:50.11 | jelly-home | unr3al011: you should be able to install the firmware package after adding non-free and doing an update |
| 20:50.13 | dekiss | .j #ecmascript |
| 20:50.19 | unr3al011 | yes it works thanks jelly-home |
| 20:50.23 | jelly-home | unr3al011: you just said you used putty |
| 20:50.25 | unr3al011 | its installed now |
| 20:50.36 | unr3al011 | yes i use putty for accessing my local servers, they have no gfx cards, so no gui |
| 20:50.43 | jelly-home | unr3al011: so is it putty or console access? |
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| 20:50.56 | unr3al011 | i use putty for accessing ssh |
| 20:51.06 | xand | neagix: umm that's a bit odd unless ipv6 is absent |
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| 20:51.24 | jelly-home | unr3al011: I would advice against rebooting until you can connect a monitor and keyboard |
| 20:51.31 | jelly-home | advise* |
| 20:51.32 | neagix | xand: i didn't compile it in |
| 20:51.49 | xand | oh..... you compiled the kernel? |
| 20:51.49 | unr3al011 | yeah i could add a gfx card in an "emergency situation" :P |
| 20:51.54 | neagix | yes |
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| 20:52.14 | unr3al011 | if it fails, i got a backup monitor and gfx card ready here |
| 20:52.19 | xand | maybe the driver for the NIC isn't compiled/configured properly :| |
| 20:52.38 | neagix | xand: /sys/class/net/eth0 wouldn't be there |
| 20:53.34 | unr3al011 | so what to do now jelly-home ? reboot? |
| 20:53.44 | unr3al011 | or reinstall the dpkg that got an error? |
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| 20:54.10 | xand | neagix: well something about the kernel networking seems broken :) did you try it with the stock debian one |
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| 20:56.02 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: i reinstalled the r8168-dkms...... deb file again, no error occured:) |
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| 20:58.17 | rafiks | !!! |
| 20:58.18 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 20:58.45 | texel | NFSv4+krb5 is currently driving me insane. |
| 20:58.51 | rafiks | i keep getting this weird error bull.. |
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| 20:59.01 | texel | Trying to serve a Subversion repo from NFSv4 with kerberos auth for the apache user. |
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| 20:59.21 | texel | Writing just flatly fails. |
| 21:00.00 | rafiks | invalid attributetype blah blah blah. reinstall purge nothing helps.. |
| 21:00.03 | unr3al011 | mhh... |
| 21:00.06 | unr3al011 | what shall i do now :| |
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| 21:01.44 | DexterF | raid5, lvm, partitions and lvm is 4k aligned. can I just call xfs.mkfs now or do I still need to tell mkfs about stripe sizes and stride for xfs? |
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| 21:04.06 | jelly-home | unr3al011: well, you can try rebooting if this isn't a production system |
| 21:04.14 | unr3al011 | yes i did it now... |
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| 21:04.46 | unr3al011 | its not working :D |
| 21:05.24 | unr3al011 | what to do now? |
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| 21:06.17 | jelly-home | now figure out how it failed, and probably remove the r8168-dkms package if it can't be fixed |
| 21:07.10 | unr3al011 | okay, i will plug in my gfx card now... brb in some minutes |
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| 21:11.19 | texel | When mounting an NFSv4 filesystem with sec=krb5p and rw set on the server-side exportfs file, what would cause a client to report "Read-only filesystem" when a write is done? |
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| 21:19.30 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: i booted up with monitor now on server2, what to do? |
| 21:19.47 | unr3al011 | no network access is detected, and my gigabit port led is red |
| 21:22.00 | unr3al011 | i deinstalled r8168-dkms now |
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| 21:22.36 | jelly-home | unr3al011: put the dmesg output into a file, lsmod output as well, reboot back into r8169 and pastebin both |
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| 21:24.43 | unr3al011 | mhhh how to get it off of that machine :D |
| 21:24.58 | jelly-home | just purge the package |
| 21:25.07 | unr3al011 | i deinstalled r8168 (apt-get remove= |
| 21:25.13 | unr3al011 | and rebootet |
| 21:25.15 | unr3al011 | and now i dumped the files |
| 21:25.49 | jelly-home | the idea was to look at BOTH r8168 dmesg and the normal one |
| 21:26.07 | unr3al011 | damn |
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| 21:27.41 | unr3al011 | i got network now |
| 21:27.48 | unr3al011 | on my 2nd onboard port |
| 21:28.13 | unr3al011 | so i re-install the package and do all again |
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| 21:29.21 | jelly-home | frankly I wouldn't bother, and would just get a decent intel server card |
| 21:29.47 | unr3al011 | so buying a new network card would also fix the problem? |
| 21:30.17 | python_man | can anyone help me understand why my volume/battery/network icons appear this way in xfce? http://i.imgur.com/E7LA3bl.png |
| 21:30.23 | jelly-home | unr3al011: it would avoid usage of problematic r8169 driver |
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| 21:31.14 | unr3al011 | can you recommend any network card?i could get a dlink, asus, logilink |
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| 21:31.50 | jelly-home | I just said an intel server card. The brand is intel as well. |
| 21:32.30 | unr3al011 | they are pretty expensive :D |
| 21:32.43 | unr3al011 | is there no network card for 10-20$ doing the job? |
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| 21:33.17 | jelly-home | you already bought a board with cheap cards. If you want to experiment some more, go ahead |
| 21:33.27 | rooster_rus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.28 | rooster_rus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.45 | rooster_rus | dpkg can't replace some files |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rooster_rus |
| 21:33.46 | unr3al011 | mh okay i got your point |
| 21:34.05 | rooster_rus | i cant' remove them with rm either |
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| 21:34.26 | rooster_rus | i did fsck, problem still occurs |
| 21:34.33 | jelly-home | ,v xserver-xorg-video-sisusb |
| 21:34.34 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-sisusb on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.9.3-2; squeeze-backports: 1:0.9.4-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 1:0.9.4-3; sid: 1:0.9.4-3; wheezy: 1:0.9.4-3 |
| 21:35.06 | rooster_rus | there are several packeges broken like that |
| 21:35.08 | rooster_rus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.10 | rooster_rus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.24 | jelly-home | rooster_rus: pastebin the output of "dmesg" and "mount" |
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| 21:36.15 | jelly-home | rooster_rus: also, pastebin the complete output of your installation attempt |
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| 21:37.56 | squisher | ponders why it's so damn hard to kill network connections with linux |
| 21:38.31 | rooster_rus | http://paste.org.ru/?vb8g0l |
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| 21:39.56 | rooster_rus | http://paste.org.ru/?tz9btn |
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| 21:43.22 | rooster_rus | jelly-home: |
| 21:43.29 | jelly-home | rooster_rus: no obvious issues. You did force the fsck run so it actually does something? |
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| 21:45.20 | rryoumaa | can you run the partition tool exactly as it is run in the installer? |
| 21:45.40 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: what about "intel pro/1000 T Server Adapter pci-x gigabit network card"? |
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| 21:46.06 | jelly-home | unr3al011: that sounds nice if you have a 64bit PCI-X port. |
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| 21:46.23 | unr3al011 | eeehhm :D i have to check... |
| 21:46.25 | jelly-home | unr3al011: most new machines only have PCIe (pci express) |
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| 21:46.45 | rooster_rus | jelly-home: there were some errors, and when I did fsck the second time no errors at all |
| 21:46.51 | jelly-home | unr3al011: PCI-X is an older extension of normal PCI |
| 21:47.35 | unr3al011 | i got an asus p67 b3 board |
| 21:48.34 | unr3al011 | mhh it only has pcie |
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| 21:50.35 | unr3al011 | i also could get an intel pro 1000 mt dual port card |
| 21:50.51 | unr3al011 | it supports 32 and 64bit pcie and low profile |
| 21:51.50 | jelly-home | that sounds nice if it's really pcie |
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| 21:54.21 | unr3al011 | jelly-home: may i whisper you a link of a picture? |
| 21:54.21 | jelly-home | rooster_rus: ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info /var/lib/dpkg/info/tasksel-data.list |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | unr3al011: sure |
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| 21:59.22 | SuperPhly | when doing a local compile of a library, does configure/make put /usr/local/lib at a higher priority than /usr/lib? |
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| 22:02.55 | aguitel | what twitter client is working ? |
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| 22:03.34 | ex-parrot | aguitel: I'm interested in knowing this too... turpial seems to have stopped working entirely |
| 22:04.04 | aguitel | ex-parrot, yes |
| 22:04.22 | aguitel | gwibber too |
| 22:04.49 | jhutchins_wk | SuperPhly: Have a look at the configure script, see what it does. |
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| 22:06.35 | mns | what's a good music player for debian ? non-GNOME, non-KDE preferrred :) |
| 22:06.43 | dsockwell | mpd |
| 22:06.55 | jhutchins_wk | Maybe Twitter changed it's interface. |
| 22:07.06 | mns | dsockwell: something that will play CDs |
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| 22:07.41 | jhutchins_wk | mns: clementine, exaile, mplayer |
| 22:07.52 | mns | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 22:08.04 | ex-parrot | jhutchins_wk: they retired an older version of the API recently, I think eveyron was using it |
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| 22:12.16 | SuperPhly | how can i find out what xmlrpc-c version this configure script is using? I am suspecting it's using the one out of /usr/lib not /usr/local/lib |
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| 22:13.13 | jhutchins_wk | SuperPhly: Read the script. |
| 22:13.21 | jhutchins_wk | SuperPhly: search for xmlrpc |
| 22:13.28 | SuperPhly | i did/have. |
| 22:14.23 | SuperPhly | i'm trying to figure out how to make it use the xmlrpc-c library i have compiled in /usr/local/ not the older version that came with my distro |
| 22:14.57 | SuperPhly | it's complaining about this: xmlrpc.cc:259: undefined reference to `xmlrpc_read_i8' |
| 22:15.14 | SuperPhly | that feature wasn't enabled with the old library, but is with the newer one |
| 22:15.49 | SuperPhly | there's this option: configure --with-xmlrpc-c=/usr/local/lib/ |
| 22:15.53 | SuperPhly | but it doesn't work |
| 22:16.16 | SuperPhly | configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test. |
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| 22:17.11 | puppet_ | Hello everyone, just me that havent found a solution for HP servers, DL120/d60/etc with Wheezy, HPs packages don't work there |
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| 22:25.20 | vadimkolchev | how can I save a bunch of html files linked with each other in debian? |
| 22:25.41 | puppet_ | wget -m and then check for more parameters in the man page |
| 22:26.12 | vadimkolchev | puppet_, ok, thanks, i'll look into it |
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| 22:28.18 | puppet_ | grrr |
| 22:28.28 | puppet_ | libcpqci64.so.2 now to find who gives that one |
| 22:28.29 | peos | Hello, when netinstall for amd64 is gonna be available ? |
| 22:28.51 | rooster_rus | jelly-home: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 204800 Jun 17 01:29 /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 22:28.58 | peos | Currently, I get not found message |
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| 22:29.05 | rooster_rus | jelly-home: -rw-r--r-- 1 558825472 1704394752 12288 May 5 22:05 /var/lib/dpkg/info/tasksel-data.list |
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| 22:29.54 | rooster_rus | jelly-home: sorry for delay |
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| 22:30.25 | mtn | peos: install for what? |
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| 22:31.09 | peos | debian NETinstall for amd64 architecture |
| 22:31.44 | peos | mtn: .torrent and direct link on debian.org are down. |
| 22:31.44 | mtn | peos: what version of debian are you talking about? netinstalls are always available for amd64 |
| 22:31.54 | musca | peos http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 22:32.09 | musca | its the new pointrelease |
| 22:32.31 | peos | musca: the stable is not up atm |
| 22:33.21 | musca | there are new images for stable 7.1 with bugfixes |
| 22:33.27 | mtn | peos: not sure what you are talking about, but: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 22:34.11 | musca | mtn: try to klick the amd64 link |
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| 22:35.07 | peos | musca: is 7.1 stable ? |
| 22:35.16 | mtn | musca: so I see |
| 22:35.23 | peos | (I am new to debian) |
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| 22:36.03 | musca | peos: yes, it is still wheezy, not jessie |
| 22:36.04 | SuperPhly | I've got two versions of the same library. How do I tell my configure script to use the library in /usr/local/lib and not /usr/lib -- I've read through the configure script and searched google 10x over. |
| 22:36.13 | puppet_ | i so just want to kill HP now |
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| 22:37.02 | peos | ok I am downloading it |
| 22:37.07 | peos | thank you folks |
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| 23:02.04 | tubaman | it seems like compiz is unmaintained. what are you guys using for a composite window manager? |
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| 23:05.08 | mtfnub | if u run an established, illegal website that distributes copyrighted materials and rakes in $$$-$$$$ per month, what would be the best course of action to protect yourself from legal liability / consequences? |
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| 23:06.12 | Vicissitude | that isn't related to debian |
| 23:06.15 | jiohdi | mtfnub: dont get caught |
| 23:06.35 | mtfnub | my website is run on debian |
| 23:06.38 | epsilon | mtfnub: escape to a country where that site is legal |
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| 23:07.35 | epsilon | if unsure, choose Bermuda, Cuba, Iran or China |
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| 23:09.06 | puppet_ | Hi guys, whats the best way to hack into this bank andd not get caught? I mean I am running Debian! so it is clearly related, right? |
| 23:09.09 | puppet_ | God some people... |
| 23:10.53 | rryoumaa | maybe the question-asker was intending to elicit advice so that he could then claim that free software people are abetting crimes |
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| 23:18.53 | factor | I am trying to run grub-install and getting error : Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables. |
| 23:18.53 | factor | Try 'modprobe efivars' as root. |
| 23:19.07 | factor | I try that command but wont load it |
| 23:19.16 | factor | and wont let me install grub |
| 23:19.24 | factor | this is d7 |
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| 23:20.23 | factor | was in a chroot, now out I installed that but not in the chroot |
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| 23:22.14 | factor | I am in live d7 mode , do I need to boot into rescue mode instead? |
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| 23:23.10 | nvz | how could I solve the problem of needing linux style permissions on a cifs share? |
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| 23:24.06 | nvz | I couldnt figure out what these scripts weren't working then I realized this isn't an ext3 partition, its probably NTFS over CIFS |
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| 23:25.08 | marsje | Just wondering, how come I just got a bunch of security updates (kernel, apache, apt) without any related email on debian-security-announce? |
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| 23:27.25 | epsilon | marsje: wheezy 7.1 update |
| 23:27.31 | nvz | hmm I just had a crazy idea... haha.. loop mounting a linux fs via cifs |
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| 23:28.01 | marsje | epsilon: cool then :) |
| 23:28.18 | marsje | epsilon: on what mailing list should I be to hear about that? |
| 23:29.24 | epsilon | dunno, some announce chan... I got it via press release |
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| 23:30.06 | marsje | debian-announce I guess |
| 23:30.13 | marsje | let me subscribe |
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| 23:31.17 | nvz | this might just work ;) |
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| 23:32.33 | mumpitze1 | factor: when you are in a chroot you need to bind mount /dev/ and /proc/ into the chroot. then it will work |
| 23:32.51 | mumpitze1 | then you can use a live cd |
| 23:32.58 | factor | ok |
| 23:33.07 | factor | i bound dev |
| 23:33.10 | factor | but not proc |
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| 23:33.14 | liUms | Hi |
| 23:33.47 | liUms | I've installed a chroot of debian on my android phone, but there is not aptitude ... any idae ? :s |
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| 23:33.58 | ex-parrot | liUms: does it have apt-get? |
| 23:34.02 | liUms | nop |
| 23:34.07 | obiwahn | dpkg |
| 23:34.10 | ex-parrot | how did you create the chroot? |
| 23:34.23 | liUms | dpkg yes, and aptitude-curses |
| 23:34.23 | dpkg | liUms: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:34.37 | marsje | is going to reboot to 7.1 now |
| 23:34.49 | factor | <mumpitze1>Thanks that worked , now on to the next issue :) |
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| 23:35.24 | mumpitze1 | liUms: is there dpkg? simpyl install aptitude then |
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| 23:35.33 | liUms | ex-parrot > debootstrapt on a archlinux ( is it independant from the ox, no ? ) then put the folder on the phone |
| 23:35.49 | ex-parrot | it should have installed apt-get then, liUms |
| 23:35.58 | liUms | mumpitze1 > i've try dpkg -i aptitude.deb but there is a lot of dependances |
| 23:36.20 | liUms | ex-parrot > as i see it, no ^^ |
| 23:36.28 | ex-parrot | you usually have to do it in two parts, run debootstrap with --foreign on the host machine, then on the phone run debootstrap --second-stage |
| 23:36.32 | ex-parrot | did you do that? :) |
| 23:36.40 | factor | <mumpitze1>Would you know how I can get lsmod to work on a chrooted system |
| 23:36.45 | factor | or can I |
| 23:36.53 | liUms | the --second-stage don't work |
| 23:36.59 | liUms | I unmount all an retry |
| 23:37.05 | factor | <mumpitze1> I just get a bunch of errors when I do it |
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| 23:38.08 | factor | <mumpitze1>I had to bind sys as well |
| 23:38.10 | factor | got it |
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| 23:43.04 | nvz | yeah for whatever reason this don't seem to be working.. seems like I should be able to just "dd if=/dev/zero of=/cifs/image bs=1024k count=512 && mkfs.ext3 -F /cifs/image && mount -o loop /cifs/image /mnt" but it just hangs on the mount command |
| 23:43.21 | factor | Is this a correct setup for boot efi and root paritions ? http://pastebin.com/jfc5FR5x |
| 23:43.27 | nvz | I vaguely recall umsdos or something but idk if you could use that over cifs |
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| 23:43.39 | factor | grub-install /dev/sdf cand seem to find EFI vars |
| 23:44.46 | factor | root@debian:/usr/sbin# grub-install '(hroot@debian:/usr/sbin# grub-install '(hd0)' |
| 23:44.46 | factor | Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables.d0)' |
| 23:44.46 | factor | Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables. |
| 23:45.46 | factor | can I run a grub command to just generate a fresh grub install |
| 23:45.52 | factor | for EFi system |
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| 23:51.16 | Konata | where can I get a copy of the debian netinst image |
| 23:51.22 | Konata | because it appears NOBODY is hosting it over http |
| 23:51.38 | Konata | 7.0.0 amd64 |
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| 23:52.18 | Vicissitude | 7.1.0 now |
| 23:52.51 | Konata | Vicissitude, well, where can I download it? |
| 23:53.03 | Konata | I've tried on three different pcs all at debian.org and i get a 404 error |
| 23:53.06 | Konata | every. time. |
| 23:53.10 | Vicissitude | sec... checking |
| 23:53.34 | Konata | http://caesar.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:53.38 | Konata | It's commonly this mirror |
| 23:54.54 | factor | reading up on issue ,seems i have to boot using uefi mde , just how is that odne |
| 23:55.00 | factor | uefi mode^ |
| 23:55.44 | Vicissitude | how queer. it's 404ing for me as well |
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| 23:56.55 | Konata | managed to get it from utexas |
| 23:57.05 | Konata | yeah... may want to check ya mirrors debian folk |
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| 23:59.47 | Vicissitude | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
