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| 00:00.05 | factor | anyone familiar with uefi booting of grub |
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| 00:08.10 | nevyn | factor: it should just work with a amd64 image if required |
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| 00:08.43 | factor | nevyn, it seems I am not in uefi mode. if i cant get modprobe efivars to work |
| 00:08.50 | factor | at least form what i read |
| 00:08.56 | nevyn | did you install amd64 ? |
| 00:09.07 | nevyn | did you install using efi? |
| 00:09.15 | factor | inux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:09.22 | factor | live boot |
| 00:09.30 | nevyn | did it boot efi or legacy bios? |
| 00:09.34 | factor | my old system worked fine until I upgraded early today |
| 00:09.43 | factor | is that a setting in BIOS |
| 00:10.08 | nevyn | yes it's a setting in the increasingly badly named "bios" |
| 00:10.16 | factor | heh |
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| 00:10.19 | factor | humm |
| 00:10.28 | factor | ok I guess I will drop down and search for it. |
| 00:10.38 | factor | thanks |
| 00:10.42 | nevyn | as an efi system doesn't have traditional bios. it's really an efi configuration application |
| 00:10.50 | factor | so it seems. |
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| 00:10.57 | factor | I have /boot/efi/EFi |
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| 00:11.13 | nevyn | and even on a traditional bios the system of menu's and stuff for configuring the bios isn't "the bios" |
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| 00:11.22 | nevyn | but it doens't have a real name |
| 00:11.48 | factor | i knew EFI was going to bite me at some point. |
| 00:11.55 | factor | as it seems to have done this morning. |
| 00:12.18 | nevyn | but then what do I know I can't even get an installer to boot.. |
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| 00:14.17 | factor | oiok shutting back down |
| 00:14.19 | factor | thanks |
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| 00:21.24 | CaptainK | EFI another dissatisfied customer...and some people defend this garbage |
| 00:21.35 | spacebison | nevyn: Are you trying to use a live cd? |
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| 00:29.17 | nevyn | spacebison: no. |
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| 00:29.44 | nevyn | spacebison: it's a long story and that was a snide jab #700519 I think is the install report debbug |
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| 00:30.15 | nevyn | spacebison: #700918 |
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| 00:35.23 | factor | noticed my BIOs only went to disk 5 I have 6 disk and my boot disk are 5 and 6 , my debian 6 booted and was on 5 my d7 was on 6 and was not being detected it seems for boot |
| 00:35.51 | factor | will see if I can get grub to install now with only my d7 boot disk in disk 1-4 are my raid array |
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| 00:38.10 | phix | G'day, I am having issues with the cyrus-imapd-2.2 package from squeeze. After a while of operation it just freezes and doesn't take any further connections, lmtp delivery fails too. I can extend the time until it fails by increasing the prefork value in cyrus.conf however eventually (around 12 or so hours) it freezes again |
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| 00:38.36 | phlux | woah |
| 00:38.40 | phlux | it's phix |
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| 00:38.50 | phlux | its, too |
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| 00:40.05 | phix | phlux: hey hey! |
| 00:40.35 | phlux | You wouldn't happen to be the same phix I know from efnet, would you? |
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| 00:41.22 | phix | Most likely |
| 00:41.28 | phix | I used to use that server |
| 00:41.48 | phix | not sure if I went under the name phix or threat |
| 00:42.08 | phlux | aye |
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| 00:43.49 | Mike9863 | Once I change .fonts.conf, how can I get the settings to take effect? |
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| 00:44.52 | phlux | Mike9863: if the applications respect fontconfig properly, the changes should take effect upon restarting them |
| 00:45.11 | phlux | I use Gentoo locally, but I'd assume it would work the same across all Linux distributions |
| 00:48.41 | badsuperblock | hi, I'm setting up my own mail server, should I go with exim4 which is the default mta? or is dovecot recommended? |
| 00:50.10 | phlux | badsuperblock: On my Debian mail server I use dovecot and postfix, but only because that's what I'm used to. |
| 00:50.19 | phlux | I handle multiple domains via MySQL |
| 00:50.43 | tonyoy | Mike9863: you could try fc-cache --help |
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| 00:52.42 | badsuperblock | phlux: I'd go for the one that is easier to setup and maintain. I only have one domain, but possibly several users |
| 00:53.16 | phlux | badsuperblock: Well, I can't comment on exim4 as I've never tried it. There are tons of guides for using postfix+dovecot, though. |
| 00:55.14 | badsuperblock | I saw there were many guides yes. I was wondering, because exim seems lighter on resources. also, I'm not sure I want to rely on mysql. would make more sense to keep everything in plain text files |
| 00:55.15 | civillian | badsuperblock: dovecot is not an MTA |
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| 00:55.33 | badsuperblock | sorry,.meant postfix |
| 00:55.34 | factor | Still not booting to UEFI |
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| 00:56.47 | civillian | postfix is awesome, use it. If you want other features like spam filtering, postfix has more guides |
| 00:56.59 | badsuperblock | postfix seems more powerful and popular than exim. but exim was the default. decisions... |
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| 00:57.22 | badsuperblock | civillian: I think you're right. |
| 00:58.41 | badsuperblock | is it reasonable to expect using postfix+dovecot without mysql? |
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| 00:59.41 | badsuperblock | as in, does someone have experience with a mail server setup that doesn't require mysql? |
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| 01:01.58 | ImaLamer | badsuperblock: i have a machine which acts as a very simple mailserver and i never integrated either of those with mysql |
| 01:02.27 | ImaLamer | badsuperblock: all it does is send emails generated by the system to an outside address, nothing else |
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| 01:04.55 | badsuperblock | imalamer: looks good. I also have found some resources on running postfix+dovecot without a db server. |
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| 01:05.20 | badsuperblock | thanks for your advices, people. |
| 01:05.35 | factor | If I reinstall with D7 can I just install grub? |
| 01:05.45 | factor | or does it make me install and do more now |
| 01:09.23 | Su7 | Hi |
| 01:09.59 | Su7 | I seem to have an issue with arithmetic expressions in Wheezy's dash |
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| 01:10.11 | badsuperblock | factor: you want to upgrade from debian 6 squeeze to debian 7 wheezy? |
| 01:10.33 | factor | badsuperblock, I already did , the this morning my system borked . |
| 01:10.42 | factor | I have an unusable 7 now |
| 01:10.45 | Su7 | the issue is the following : i have a line like this one in a script ==> echo "diff = $(($SECONDS - $var))"; |
| 01:10.54 | badsuperblock | factor: what does it do? |
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| 01:11.00 | factor | no grub on boot |
| 01:11.06 | Su7 | and I keep getting the following error arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " - " |
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| 01:11.10 | factor | I am in chroot on it now mounted as it would be |
| 01:11.16 | Su7 | does anyone have and idea ? |
| 01:12.03 | factor | badsuperblock, but it wont let me grub-install /dev/sde |
| 01:12.10 | badsuperblock | factor: chrooted from a live cd / usb? |
| 01:12.16 | factor | yes usb |
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| 01:13.18 | badsuperblock | factor: it may or may not be sde from your live system, block device letters do change. you meet to find the guide for your boot disk |
| 01:13.27 | badsuperblock | need |
| 01:13.37 | badsuperblock | uuid |
| 01:13.49 | badsuperblock | sorry, phone keyboard |
| 01:13.50 | themill | Su7: $SECONDS is a bashims, isn't it? |
| 01:13.59 | Su7 | it is |
| 01:14.09 | themill | so it's not going to work with dash |
| 01:14.10 | factor | badsuperblock, here is my current mount http://pastebin.com/zsf6scPq |
| 01:14.42 | Su7 | themill as far as i understood, dash is debian's implementation of both bash and sh |
| 01:14.43 | themill | Su7: also, if that's a one-line script, then $var is not set |
| 01:15.01 | badsuperblock | factor: that machine has an EFI? |
| 01:15.07 | Su7 | there's a much more complicated script before that line :) |
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| 01:15.09 | themill | Su7: no, dash is dash, bash is bash. sh is provided by dash on debian |
| 01:15.29 | Su7 | right, ok |
| 01:15.32 | factor | yes I booted into it many time now in the past few hours |
| 01:15.49 | factor | Does debian install EFi normally with D7 |
| 01:15.52 | factor | if it has it |
| 01:15.56 | factor | or is it compat mode |
| 01:16.05 | themill | Su7: that error message also indicates that $var is not set. You might want to "set -u". |
| 01:16.16 | Su7 | but I stil do not understand why that line worked perfectly in Squeeze and does not work anymore in Wheezy |
| 01:16.31 | themill | Su7: perhaps you had manually configured sh->bash on the squeeze box |
| 01:16.37 | factor | Looks like live system ade is also my d7 disk |
| 01:16.43 | factor | sde I mean |
| 01:16.46 | themill | Su7: it doesn't work with squeeze's dash either. |
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| 01:17.07 | badsuperblock | factor: I have no experience with grub and EFIs. I don't know how its supposed to work. but what I would do is run blkid and double check that grub is installed on the drive that holds the /boot partition |
| 01:17.18 | Su7 | themill I can assure you it used to work, without any change to the configuration |
| 01:17.26 | badsuperblock | you should not use /dev/see |
| 01:17.30 | themill | Su7: not with dash. With bash perhaps. |
| 01:17.32 | badsuperblock | sde |
| 01:17.51 | Su7 | themill absolutely, with bash |
| 01:18.00 | themill | Su7: there you go then... |
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| 01:18.05 | badsuperblock | but something like /dev/disk/by-uuid/blahblahblahblah |
| 01:18.24 | Su7 | and the SAME script with #!/bin/bash |
| 01:18.24 | Su7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.25 | themill | Su7: if you use bash features, you should use #!/bin/bash. If you don't, you can use #!/bin/sh |
| 01:18.31 | badsuperblock | the blkid command gives you the partitions uids |
| 01:18.36 | factor | badsuperblock, here is the output of the blkid http://pastebin.com/PF43hXiG |
| 01:18.46 | themill | Su7: the error message is that $var is not set. |
| 01:19.23 | themill | Su7: it's also a problem that $SECONDS is bash-specific, but if you're using that with #!/bin/bash then that's not an issue |
| 01:19.57 | Su7 | themill indeed, should not be an issue |
| 01:20.30 | themill | Su7: but I would note that the error message you showed indicates that dash is being used not bash. So you still have two problems to fix. $var is not set and dash is being used. |
| 01:20.31 | badsuperblock | factor: you have 3 partitions with the same label (TERADATA), is it normal/intended? |
| 01:20.54 | factor | badsuperblock, its a RAId array they are the same |
| 01:21.17 | factor | 0+1 |
| 01:21.25 | Su7 | themill in my script $var is set to $SECONDS, and I use #!/bin/bash |
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| 01:22.39 | factor | Not having a problem with the RAID array |
| 01:22.42 | factor | its fine |
| 01:23.08 | factor | if I setup my d6 it boot as well it just the UEFI d7 disk I have is no longer booting with grub |
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| 01:23.34 | factor | just need to grub-install , but it wont let me |
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| 01:24.25 | badsuperblock | factor: ah well ok. I never booted on raid arrays. I would install grub on the partition that holds /boot/ and double check its set as the boot device in the bios. |
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| 01:24.57 | factor | yes , I will check boot styles in BIOS. |
| 01:25.10 | badsuperblock | I mean, the disk device that holds the boot partition |
| 01:25.16 | factor | I think it has a compat mode from reading. I dont boot raid arrays its just data drives |
| 01:25.28 | factor | yes its set as boot |
| 01:25.33 | Su7 | themill it seems that in my scripts all var initilized with $SECONDS are null or empty |
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| 01:26.12 | themill | Su7: can you pastebin a minimal reproduce case for this please? We're just going around in circles here. |
| 01:26.23 | badsuperblock | usually I just install grub on every disk mbr in such cases, but I don't have any experience with raid. might do more harm than good, check if its ok to do that |
| 01:26.45 | factor | ok thanks shutting down and going into BIOS again |
| 01:26.53 | themill | Su7: also, how are these scripts being invoked? |
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| 01:27.22 | Su7 | themill here my more-than-minimalist script http://pastebin.com/q37qmz4L |
| 01:27.41 | Su7 | they are invoked in a ssh terminal that uses bash |
| 01:27.46 | themill | how |
| 01:27.52 | badsuperblock | oh well I'm having boot problems too. if anyone can help, the issue is that my root filesytem on my home server always mounts read only at boot |
| 01:28.13 | badsuperblock | smart tests are ok |
| 01:28.52 | Su7 | well, that's embarassing themill :( |
| 01:28.58 | Su7 | sh test.sh :( |
| 01:29.10 | themill | I think you've now got your answer ;) |
| 01:29.49 | Su7 | I've never been that ashamed |
| 01:29.56 | Su7 | thanks for your help ! |
| 01:29.57 | themill | dpkg, coffee Su7 |
| 01:29.57 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of hippy-blend Tanzanian for Su7, courtesy of themill |
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| 01:30.01 | themill | no worries |
| 01:30.26 | themill | Su7: btw "set -u" is your friend |
| 01:30.58 | Su7 | can't fin what is set -u |
| 01:31.13 | themill | Su7: adding that to line 2 of your script would give "SECONDS: parameter not set" which would flag the problem sooner. (man bash) |
| 01:31.29 | Su7 | and still, $SECONDS worked on Debian 5 when invoked by sh command :( |
| 01:31.54 | themill | only because we had sh->bash there because noone had thought carefully about what /bin/sh meant yet. |
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| 01:32.13 | themill | It took linux 15 years to relearn the lessons of shell portability |
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| 01:32.58 | Su7 | you mean sh was handled by bash in previous distros ? |
| 01:33.12 | themill | yes, with the corresponding penalties for speed and portability |
| 01:33.46 | themill | much of the faster boot that we see now compared to years ago is due to changing sh to dash rather than things like upstart. |
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| 01:36.54 | Tramp | !bashism > Su7 |
| 01:37.08 | themill | (wrong bot) |
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| 01:37.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Su7 about bashism |
| 01:37.26 | Tramp | ahrg |
| 01:37.36 | Tramp | Su7: see also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism |
| 01:38.14 | Su7 | looks like dpkg hasn't finished pouring my tasty hippy-blend Tanzanian |
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| 01:41.04 | Su7 | all right |
| 01:41.24 | Su7 | Now I understand why what worked in Squeeze does not anymore |
| 01:43.02 | themill | new installs of squeeze and wheezy will always have sh->dash; upgrades from lenny will ask if they can switch it for you (and you might have said no) |
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| 01:44.48 | Su7 | I'm fairly sure it was a fresh install of squeeze |
| 01:45.10 | Su7 | but it's too late to solve that mystery ! |
| 01:45.21 | Su7 | still, thanks a lot |
| 01:45.30 | ImaLamer | are there significant changes to Samba that I'm not finding in my searches? Pre-wheezy upgrade that machine was a network server workhorse and now nothing can connect to it |
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| 01:47.48 | ImaLamer | i have been having issues with the static IP for it being a moving target but that seems to be resolved now |
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| 01:49.40 | squisher | hey folks, I have the funny situation that some program core dumps when i run it, but runs fine when I use gdb or strace... |
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| 01:50.14 | themill | heisenbug! |
| 01:50.40 | crn | ImaLamer, try comparing the new smb.conf file to the one that worked. I haven't seen any significant changes. |
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| 01:51.57 | squisher | themill, :D |
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| 01:52.43 | crn | squisher, turn off optimization |
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| 01:54.45 | ImaLamer | crn: I kept the conf file because it had more than a few custom entries for directories and access rights |
| 01:55.28 | crn | I |
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| 01:58.05 | crn | ImaLamer, I think it should work. I just checked squeeze vs wheezy on two boxes. But I did restart wheezy. It seemed that restarting the daemons wasn't working. |
| 01:58.54 | ImaLamer | bah, I've got to cycle the router for something else so maybe that'll fix it |
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| 01:59.00 | crn | ImaLamer, of course when I compared files I concentrated on my changes. |
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| 01:59.22 | banjo | sun is rising |
| 01:59.33 | ImaLamer | being there was some IP address conflict there between *.129 (my assigned static) and *.128 which is where the router tried to keep putting it |
| 01:59.40 | ImaLamer | we'll see :) |
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| 01:59.55 | banjo | for sure |
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| 02:00.55 | themill | banjo: can we help? |
| 02:01.25 | squisher | crn, you're probably right, I should try that and report a bug |
| 02:01.28 | banjo | maybe someone has here experience with low ram optimization? |
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| 02:03.23 | crn | squisher, when I did code I think I debugged non-optimized code. Then I optimized at the end. |
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| 02:03.54 | squisher | crn, this is not my code, but a package out of debian |
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| 02:04.07 | squisher | but I'm on sid, so no complaints here ;-) |
| 02:04.31 | boldfilter | Any mods in here? |
| 02:04.58 | sammy | can anyone help me debug a command? I've got some data being piped across an ssh link, that I can see if I do `ssh host "cat"` - now what I want is actually `ssh host "cat | tee file.pcap | tcpdump -r -" but that says gives me a command not found for tcpdump |
| 02:05.01 | sammy | which is boggling my mind |
| 02:05.20 | jpinx | doing squeeze->wheezy and getting an error with backports. dpkg told me the line to put in sources.list, but during update I get an error .. Err http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports/main Translation-en_GB Something wicked happened resolving 'mirror.kku.ac.th:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) [IP: 46.4.205.43 80] |
| 02:06.03 | crn | squisher, sid! I'm just upgrading a server running lenny. I thought I was going to be the last one out. |
| 02:06.49 | boldfilter | The boggling of the mind |
| 02:06.52 | squisher | crn, it's my desktop. At work we still have a couple of lenny servers as well... |
| 02:07.04 | sammy | so boggled. I'm never any good at syntax :( |
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| 02:07.58 | squisher | jpinx, seems like a scrambled error... unless http.debian.net does some funny DNS stuff... |
| 02:08.16 | dvs | squisher: http.debian.net does some funny DNS stuff |
| 02:08.31 | themill | no, http.d.n is a redirector |
| 02:08.51 | themill | jpinx: just leave backports out of your sources.list for the period of the upgrade |
| 02:09.31 | dvs | jpinx: only use the main debian repos for the upgrade process. |
| 02:09.51 | jpinx | I tried the recommended «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main» and I tried it without the second "http " but both failed :( |
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| 02:10.19 | dvs | ... |
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| 02:11.45 | jpinx | themill: I guessed that might be the answer .. but dvs - I ave only deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main in sources.list and yet the update wanders off into google.com and this funky .co.th one |
| 02:11.57 | squisher | sammy, does "ssh host tcpdump" find the command? |
| 02:12.09 | dvs | jpinx: why cdn.debian.net? |
| 02:12.18 | themill | jpinx: cdn and http are both going to send you off to a real mirror |
| 02:12.34 | jpinx | dvs: historic -- i.e. I can't remember ;) |
| 02:13.26 | jpinx | themill: so should I change cdn.... for http.... or what ? |
| 02:13.32 | themill | jpinx: just leave backports out of your sources.list for the period of the upgrade |
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| 02:14.22 | themill | and yes, in general, http.d.n will work better than cdn.d.n |
| 02:15.42 | jpinx | themill: yep - backports now commented out and cdn edited to http -- thanks :) |
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| 02:16.10 | jpinx | themill: a note about backports in the squeeze->wheey factoid might be in order ? |
| 02:16.16 | themill | (that error is apt's way of saying "your dns setup is on drugs" btw) |
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| 02:16.42 | themill | jpinx: the release notes already tell you that. And the factoid would already be at its character limit |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | like the <wheezy-backports> mention? |
| 02:16.47 | TwitchTEK | Howdy All! I have a question regarding the development process. It's not specific to any particular feature or specific process. More of an overview question. Would anyone like to take a shot at my querry? |
| 02:17.04 | jpinx | themill: ah-ha -- ok -- that is probably true where I am ;) |
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| 02:17.33 | TwitchTEK | color test |
| 02:17.34 | TwitchTEK | nope still black |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:18.00 | jpinx | abrotman: I meant the "comment it out for the update && full-upgrade" idea |
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| 02:18.28 | themill | TwitchTEK: there's #test if you want to test your irc client. If you want to ask a debian user support question here, then just ask it. |
| 02:19.27 | TwitchTEK | Thanks mill. Dont want to seem rude. I know a developer channel isnt the place to ask support ?s. So this isnt really a support ?n so much as a 'how does this thing happen' question. so to that end... |
| 02:19.48 | themill | if you don't ask a question, you don't get answers |
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| 02:19.54 | TwitchTEK | I understand the differences between the sid jessie and wheezy distros... |
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| 02:20.27 | TwitchTEK | my question is, say i have the lastest stable wheezy distro running on my machine... |
| 02:20.31 | dvs | !enter |
| 02:20.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 02:20.40 | abrotman | is this question going to be spread over 12 lines? |
| 02:20.42 | franck_ | hello :) |
| 02:20.56 | TwitchTEK | im trying to be polite and not hog screen space |
| 02:21.23 | TwitchTEK | if there is a preferred method for asking questions in this chanel i'd be happy to abide by that method |
| 02:21.28 | dvs | TwitchTEK: hog screen space. your question will be lost among the other chatter |
| 02:21.56 | TwitchTEK | Roger that, thanks for the tip, I say again from beginning... |
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| 02:22.11 | jpinx | themill: fwiw - http fails , cdn works :s |
| 02:22.32 | themill | jpinx: that would be your local dns being weird or the mirror you're being directed to having a very screwy dns setup |
| 02:22.48 | dvs | jpinx: then use one mirror. |
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| 02:24.57 | TwitchTEK | I understand the diffs among sid jessie and wheezy. Say some brand new awesome and amazing development works its way into the unstable and then into the testing release. My question is, how does this amazing development end up in my already installed and running Stable Wheezy? |
| 02:25.19 | jpinx | themill: I guessed upgrading over gprs on a mobile network with known dns issues would be funky - hence leaving it hopefullt long enough for the mirrors to all be on the same page.... |
| 02:25.22 | dvs | TwitchTEK: backports if anything |
| 02:25.22 | sammy | figured it out! for those following along at home, tcpdump is in /usr/sbin and ssh doesn't source .bashrc or .profile and most users don't have /sbin or /usr/sbin in their path anyway so tee and cat were found in bin directories but it had no idea to look in /usr/sbin! so just defining /usr/sbin/tcpdump worked. |
| 02:25.56 | crn | if I install postfix on wheezy will the rcX.d directories be up updated in favor of postfix not exim? |
| 02:25.59 | jpinx | dvs: I'm guessing cdn.deb... connects me to the "nearest" mirror - or not ? |
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| 02:26.27 | dvs | jpinx: both cdn and http connects to mirrors. |
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| 02:27.29 | themill | jpinx: cdn.d.n only requires one dns resolution; http.d.n requries two. So if you've got a screwed up dns, then that's going to be twice as much fun. |
| 02:27.29 | jpinx | dvs: ok - thanks :) |
| 02:27.47 | TwitchTEK | Another way to ask it, does Wheezy get updated with the latest and greatest stuff from testing/Jessie |
| 02:27.53 | themill | jpinx: btw upgrading over gprs is going to be slow and expensive... |
| 02:27.57 | themill | TwitchTEK: no. /msg dpkg stable |
| 02:28.00 | dvs | TwitchTEK: no, thats why it's called stable |
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| 02:28.19 | abrotman | TwitchTEK: you said you understood the difference ... |
| 02:28.44 | chaz68 | Any of you guys good at permissions / security running Ajaxplorer on Apache with Debian Wheezy? |
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| 02:29.18 | jpinx | themill: I yes - and flaky. actuall the expence is not the issue because I have unlimited but very slow |
| 02:29.21 | chaz68 | Got this message. Everything else OK... http://pastebin.com/zpwxR89K |
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| 02:30.29 | chaz68 | Running on rpi... |
| 02:31.08 | TwitchTEK | I understand the general difference. But what I don't understand is, what is the point of making developments and updates if it never ends up in the top most release? Its akin to scientists making progress in things that will improve people's lives, but they only stay in the lab and never get released in a form usable by the general public. What good is that? |
| 02:31.10 | jpinx | themill: and I am doing updat multiple times till no errors and then using -d full-upgrade multiple times before actually committing to the upgrade. Fingers crossed... |
| 02:31.31 | dvs | TwitchTEK: it does get released... in the next stable release. |
| 02:31.36 | TwitchTEK | Thank you! |
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| 02:32.51 | ImaLamer | TwitchTEK: think, the debian idea is... if it works don't break it, even for fancy new stuff. otherwise you need to make a leap of faith |
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| 02:35.31 | TwitchTEK | ok so, Wheezy is Wheezy as is, stable and unchanging. Lets say the next release, complete with the latest and greatest developments is callled, lets say "Sammy" for example. Can one go from Wheezy to "Sammy"? Does doing so require a complete brand new install? Or is there a form of 'in place upgrade' of sorts? |
| 02:35.52 | dvs | TwitchTEK: you really dont understand how this works |
| 02:35.55 | TwitchTEK | ^callled^called |
| 02:36.03 | TwitchTEK | That is why I am asking the question. |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | you said you understood |
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| 02:36.29 | dvs | <TwitchTEK> I understand the diffs among sid jessie and wheezy |
| 02:37.25 | TwitchTEK | I did say that. Please allow me to edit that previous statment: ^understand^understand basic general differences |
| 02:37.45 | badsuperblock | hey sorry, I was away and think someone wrote something to me. crappy irc client and I don't have backlogs. would someone be kind enough to copypaste me that last message? |
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| 02:39.31 | ImaLamer | TwitchTEK: wheezy will update over time and fix big and small problems, and you can sometimes get new packages onto wheezy (stable)... but when testing becomes stable you can then upgrade to it all together |
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| 02:40.09 | dvs | TwitchTEK: you read the release note on how to upgrade to the next major version without reinstalling everything. |
| 02:40.12 | ImaLamer | i'm not sure i even explained that right |
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| 02:41.34 | roboman2444 | How do i set my default X session |
| 02:41.40 | roboman2444 | it seems to have reset itself |
| 02:41.52 | dvs | pulls the plug on roboman2444 |
| 02:42.03 | roboman2444 | hey, i dont do no startx |
| 02:42.05 | roboman2444 | im all a slimjim |
| 02:42.15 | roboman2444 | so, i dont know which file contains the default |
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| 02:42.26 | TwitchTEK | I understand that each is a different 'pool' or level of development for Debian. What I do not understand, are the finer aspects of how those developments end up in front of an end user. What I am asking is a general outline of how a development gets from somone's brain to an end user's sudo <insert_command_here> Please forgive my ignorance. I am a Windows/Network Admin professionally. |
| 02:42.26 | TwitchTEK | I have dabblled in Linux off and on for the past several years. While I am not exactly a NOOB im not exactly a SuperUser either. Thank you all very much for the information so far. |
| 02:42.39 | ImaLamer | TwitchTEK: picture development in stages, new packages are developed aside from "what works" - if they reach a certain point of maturity they can be obtained in backports |
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| 02:42.57 | fongseiyuc | Good Morning |
| 02:43.15 | TwitchTEK | Thank you ImaLamer |
| 02:43.50 | badsuperblock | roboman2444, it should be in ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:44.08 | roboman2444 | badsuperblock, sure... but i want system wide defaults |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | roboman2444: any useful files in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 02:44.39 | badsuperblock | roboman2444, right, I've always wondered where it was too... |
| 02:44.54 | roboman2444 | abrotman, looked... there are some in xsession.d, but they are a little hard to follow |
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| 02:47.03 | badsuperblock | roboman2444, i recall there's stuff in /usr/share/Xsessions/ too |
| 02:47.06 | TwitchTEK | Next question regarding BACKPORTING. How does a Linux Admin know, or what information source do Linux Admins check, to find out if there have been enough significant developments necessitating backporting them into his/her environment? |
| 02:47.23 | roboman2444 | yea |
| 02:47.28 | roboman2444 | well for now i will use a .xinitrc |
| 02:47.42 | ImaLamer | TwitchTEK: you should look into the backports page http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 02:50.33 | TwitchTEK | Excellent. I will do that ImaLamer. Thank you. I appreciate everyone's patience. I have a HEAVY Windows Network Admin background. Linux; only bits and pieces. So, some of the questions I ask may seem dumb or not make any sense. But that is a product of me trying to not phrase my questions in 'Windowneese'. |
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| 02:55.07 | TwitchTEK | ImaLamer: Thank you for the link to Debian backports. I believe that is exactly what I need. The first few statements on the page pretty much answered all the questions I had already presented here. If there is a way I can return the favor, I would be happy to oblige. |
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| 02:56.39 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: most of us just rely on Debian to decide what versions we run |
| 02:56.56 | dsockwell | so the information source is the Debian repositories |
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| 03:00.21 | winsen | Hi all |
| 03:00.28 | winsen | What is the best remote desktop software for long distance? thanks |
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| 03:01.32 | themill | ssh+screen? |
| 03:01.49 | TwitchTEK | Thanks you dsockwell. Some colleages of mine and I have been Windows Admins for some time, and we are venturing into the fields of development. Linux often provides an environment better suited to different development techniques & programming languages, than Windows. As far as Linux goes, we have aggreed that Debian is our favorite. We just want to make sure we don't miss anything if some |
| 03:01.51 | TwitchTEK | new development/upgrade/update comes out. |
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| 03:02.10 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: what you want to watch out for is what happened this month |
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| 03:02.26 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: the distribution Wheezy went from testing to stable |
| 03:02.35 | dsockwell | and so now the recommendation is for all new installs to be Wheezy |
| 03:02.45 | dsockwell | and for Squeeze installs to be upgraded |
| 03:02.59 | dsockwell | and for Lenny installs to be trashed with extra urgency |
| 03:03.09 | TwitchTEK | I saw that as I was researching the other day. That is part of what prompted my current set of questions. |
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| 03:03.16 | dsockwell | oh yeah |
| 03:03.28 | dsockwell | so debian has different levels of new software |
| 03:03.38 | dsockwell | stable has things that are known to work well |
| 03:03.43 | dsockwell | they're maintained with security patches and that's it |
| 03:03.56 | dsockwell | nothing is supposed to get broken in stable |
| 03:04.10 | TwitchTEK | Exactly. Whereas testing and unstable are more akin to science lab environments |
| 03:04.12 | dsockwell | testing has newer, more exciting stuff, but it changes often |
| 03:04.25 | dsockwell | unstable is named Sid after the little boy on Toy Story who broke everything |
| 03:04.42 | TwitchTEK | ahh, now we get to finer points! very good! |
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| 03:05.00 | dsockwell | and that's about it |
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| 03:05.31 | dsockwell | if you're concerned about not being where you should be, either update your software from repositories or reevaluate your choice in releases |
| 03:06.35 | TwitchTEK | Ok, regarding the different releae levels, what exactly is tested/developed in each? Are things more specifically related to the Debian OS itself, ie. kernels, modules, etc... researched and developed? Or are 3rd party applications R&D'd? Or is it both perhaps? |
| 03:06.54 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: new kernel releases and newer versions of software |
| 03:07.12 | dsockwell | testing is meant to allow the OS to grow without stepping on stodgy old sysadmins' toes |
| 03:07.15 | ImaLamer | TwitchTEK: and possibly staged replacements of software |
| 03:07.23 | dvs | TwitchTEK: Everything is tested in testing. It contains the packages of an entire release. |
| 03:07.39 | dsockwell | right, when Testing gets good and figured out it gets made stable |
| 03:07.44 | dsockwell | as in renamed |
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| 03:07.56 | dsockwell | and a new release is created and made testing |
| 03:08.16 | dsockwell | or ... i never actually foudn out how testing was made, i might be wrong |
| 03:09.33 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: so at the beginning of the year, Squeeze was stable and Wheezy was testing and Sid was unstable/experimental |
| 03:09.52 | dsockwell | now Squeeze is old stable, Wheezy is stable, Jessie is testing, and Sid is still unstable/experimental |
| 03:10.15 | dsockwell | I don't know what will happen when they run out of Toy Story names |
| 03:10.40 | dvs | dsockwell: they already have! |
| 03:10.45 | dsockwell | no |
| 03:10.50 | dsockwell | is Jessie the last one? |
| 03:10.53 | dvs | !jessie |
| 03:10.56 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
| 03:11.33 | ImaLamer | not settled |
| 03:11.40 | dvs | even though "mike" was still available... |
| 03:12.06 | dsockwell | someone call Disney |
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| 03:14.37 | reavengrey | ,v libmpfr |
| 03:14.39 | judd | No package named 'libmpfr' was found in i386. |
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| 03:16.08 | reavengrey | ,v libmpfr4 |
| 03:16.11 | judd | Package: libmpfr4 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.0-2; wheezy: 3.1.0-5; jessie: 3.1.1-1; sid: 3.1.1-1 |
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| 03:16.47 | dvs | ImaLamer: not settled? "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) |
| 03:17.03 | ImaLamer | i meant how many names were left |
| 03:17.12 | themill | lots |
| 03:17.14 | dvs | ah |
| 03:17.14 | ImaLamer | i didn't know |
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| 03:18.37 | dsockwell | oh ok, i thought you were saying they were out, dvs |
| 03:18.53 | dsockwell | i'm so glad i don't have to have an existential crisis |
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| 03:19.14 | dvs | dsockwell: I did. They are out of Toy Story 1 (but there's always 2 and 3) |
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| 03:20.35 | dsockwell | oh |
| 03:20.52 | dsockwell | i thought it was a foregone conclusion that they were going to use names from the whole franchise |
| 03:21.03 | dsockwell | but i forget who told me that |
| 03:21.35 | themill | well "jessie" already is |
| 03:22.03 | dsockwell | hasn't paid attention to Toy Story outside the context of Debian since 1995 |
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| 03:22.22 | dvs | dsockwell: Yeah, as soon as they choose Jessie as a code name, the conclusion was concrete. |
| 03:22.31 | themill | dsockwell: you mean there are more important things Out There‽ |
| 03:22.34 | syntroPi | btw why is 32Bit still called i386? i thought even the kernel wouldnt support pure i386 anymore? |
| 03:22.49 | themill | syntroPi: there's no way anyone is going to rename a port. |
| 03:22.52 | dvs | syntroPi: That's a good question |
| 03:23.56 | dsockwell | yeah i think it's just a concession to inertia |
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| 03:24.06 | dsockwell | and how would you decide whether to name it i586 or i686? |
| 03:24.09 | dsockwell | or i486 |
| 03:24.41 | dvs | dsockwell: the minimum processing the kernel supports now is a 486 so that would be the logical name. |
| 03:24.47 | themill | it's not just a concession to inertia, you have no idea how much infrastructure would break if you tried to rename a port. You'd also break the upgrade path for people. |
| 03:24.49 | dvs | *processor |
| 03:25.09 | TwitchTEK | i see. If I may, please allow me to compare the development cycle to Microsoft. I am hoping to gain a better understanding of how all things Linux get from somone's brain, to an end user's computer. So to that end, MS owns and develops all things Windows; the entirety of the OS, native MS applications, and MS made software. I imagine that MS has development labs that test all those things |
| 03:25.12 | TwitchTEK | and see how they all work together. And it seems safe to say the Debian developers do the same regarding all things specificaly Debian. Now in a MS Windows environment, there are thousands of 3rd party SWs, apps, and developer companies that are in no way shape or form affiliated or owned with/by MS. Yet an end user can point click install a program and it works on their Windows. The question |
| 03:25.12 | TwitchTEK | of how those unafiliated with MS 3rd party apps get tested and developed to work with Windows is a question for another forum. However, am I correct in presuming that in Linux, the situation is similar? That Debian developers develop all things Debian, and there are hosts of independant developers/programmers/SW companies out there making Linux programs. How do these unafiliated with Debain |
| 03:25.12 | TwitchTEK | 3rd party apps get tested to work with Debian? And when they do, how do they end up in a Debian SW repository? |
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| 03:25.20 | dsockwell | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 03:25.30 | dvs | ok,,. that's flooding the screen. |
| 03:25.38 | dsockwell | that's flooding the server |
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| 03:25.46 | themill | TwitchTEK: tl;dr. |
| 03:25.54 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: IRC is for shorter messages, fyi. |
| 03:25.58 | dsockwell | we value brevity here |
| 03:26.08 | ImaLamer | tldr ver: 'how does something become a debian package?' |
| 03:26.12 | dsockwell | the server kicked you out because it thought you were trying to disrupt the channel by posting too much |
| 03:26.38 | themill | dpkg: tell TwitchTEK about nmg |
| 03:27.20 | TwitchTEK | Thank you dsockwell. tried brevity before, and was told to oneshot my questions to avoid them getting lost in the sauce. |
| 03:27.24 | dvs | TwitchTEK: That's where Debian differs. Third party packages are not supported by the Debian project. They can still make them but the Debian project will not support them. |
| 03:27.26 | dsockwell | TwitchTEK: the way it happens is if there is software that someone wants in Debian, they go and package it up in the Debian format and conform to a mountain of rules about how a Debian package behaves. |
| 03:27.48 | dsockwell | then they are responsible for maintaining it |
| 03:28.07 | dsockwell | Debian hosts it in their repositories and since it plays well with others (or else) anyone can just install it |
| 03:28.44 | dsockwell | for a sysadmin that means if you want software, look in the repository |
| 03:29.03 | dsockwell | if it's not in there, you can download and install (compile) it |
| 03:29.06 | dsockwell | which is closer to the windows way |
| 03:29.15 | dsockwell | but that's risky and more work |
| 03:29.54 | dsockwell | also if your third-party vendor really likes debian they can host their own third-party repository so you can install it the Debian way |
| 03:30.11 | TwitchTEK | I see, so if a 3rd party dvlpr wishes to become oficcaly affiliated, yet independant from Debian, they more or less submit an application to do so. But Debian specifically does not support 3rd party developr apps as part of thier official Debian. And to get such an app, download, compile, and test yourself. I see. |
| 03:30.22 | dsockwell | no |
| 03:30.25 | dsockwell | it's one or the other |
| 03:30.35 | dsockwell | If you're lucky the software you want is in debian because someone went to the trouble of packaging it |
| 03:30.39 | dsockwell | and maintaining it |
| 03:30.44 | dsockwell | and that's a lot of software |
| 03:30.52 | dsockwell | so you just pull it from the repositories and don't think about it |
| 03:31.40 | themill | TwitchTEK: have a read of the first few pages of the new maintainer's guide that dpkg gave you a link to. Also follow some of the links in the introduction. |
| 03:32.03 | dvs | TwitchTEK: You either become a Debian developer and maintain a package as part of the Debian project or you create your own repo and put your packages there (and those packages will not be supported by the Debian project) |
| 03:32.45 | TwitchTEK | so the current Debian repositories have a rather large amount of stuff out there. I haven't come across a situation needing to do so, but I wanted to be prepared if I needed a program that was not in the Debian repository. |
| 03:34.04 | TwitchTEK | And I got the link, and I will look over that too. Thank you. |
| 03:35.07 | themill | yes, the debian archive is enormous. wheezy contains over 17000 source packages; jessie has almost 19000 and sid almost 20000. |
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| 03:35.26 | themill | http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/ |
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| 03:37.30 | TwitchTEK | Ok, for the time being, I belive I have answeres to my questions, and links to resources to find other answers. Thank you all for humoring a long time Windows Ntwrk Admin guy and answering his silly Linux questions. And thank you all very much for your patience as well. I'm going to test out some Debian stuff now and hopefully get even more answers. Should I run into more questions, I |
| 03:37.33 | TwitchTEK | certainly hope I am welcome to ask them again here. |
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| 03:38.45 | peterrooney | TwitchTEK: your questions aren't silly. There's a different mental model of things here, and no shame in not 'getting it' right off the bat, or even years on. |
| 03:39.44 | TwitchTEK | Thank you peterrooney. Going from windows to linux is like visiting a different country. Doing my best to speak the native language and observe the local customes. |
| 03:40.02 | Vicissitude | using wheezy here. is there a means to tell which process or processes is/are abusing my hard drive so much? I swear it's been running nearly non-stop for at least 10 minutes now |
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| 03:40.04 | TwitchTEK | *customes*customs |
| 03:40.04 | peterrooney | TwitchTEK: you wouldn't believe how uneducated I sound to Windows folk. |
| 03:40.15 | peterrooney | Vicissitude: iotop |
| 03:40.29 | Vicissitude | thank you kindly |
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| 03:40.53 | peterrooney | Vicissitude: or maybe top if it's the swap partition that's getting pummelled. |
| 03:41.07 | TwitchTEK | Well, peterrooney, ImaLamer, and dsockwell, if there is anyway I can return the favor please let me know. I am very Windows knowledgable and would be glad to help should you need. |
| 03:41.47 | squisher | Vicissitude, install iotop |
| 03:42.00 | squisher | oops, that was suggested already... |
| 03:43.05 | peterrooney | TwitchTEK: the best way is, ask thoughtful questions about debian and help when you know how. Your questions revealed some fuzziness in how I think the debian project is set up. |
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| 03:45.42 | dante71 | HELLOOO |
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| 03:47.20 | TwitchTEK | Glad i could contrubute something positive peterroney |
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| 03:48.20 | Vicissitude | bah. it was chromium. :/ Thanks, guys. |
| 03:49.10 | peterrooney | TwitchTEK: you could always help in ##windows |
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| 04:00.14 | TwitchTEK | Ok, might be wrong place to ask this but, every link to download a Debian image, wether via HTTP/FTP, download manager, and jigdo, are all giving 404 not found. I know Wheezy just recently became the current stable release. Are all the links not updated yet? |
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| 04:26.40 | Sakara | Hi all, Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good web interfaces I can deploy to administer bind9 on debian? |
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| 04:34.01 | peterrooney | Sakara: No. If you insist on having a GUI front-end, look into gadmin-bind, though it may not satisfy you. |
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| 04:37.31 | breadtk | Hello. |
| 04:37.32 | Sakara | Thanks peterrooney , I will check it out. |
| 04:37.54 | breadtk | If there are anybody here from debian's webteam... there appears to be a 404 issue on your download page.. for both Small CD and Bittorrent packages. |
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| 04:40.56 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. Can anyone help? |
| 04:41.13 | breadtk | Anybody here from the debian website team? |
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| 04:41.22 | breadtk | there is a 404 issue on your download page... |
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| 04:56.29 | phix | 404 Debian Wesite team member not found |
| 04:56.37 | phix | Website even |
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| 05:00.00 | themill | breadtk: a real URL would be handy as "download pages" doesn't really mean anything. Given that www.d.o is farmed out to a geodns content delivery network, you'd also need to work out which mirror you were looking at. |
| 05:00.04 | jwilliams_ | i follow the url at http://sagark.org/optimal-ubuntu-graphics-setup-for-thinkpads/ and am able to see a virtual screen attached with xrandr -q command |
| 05:00.22 | jwilliams_ | but when trying the command `optirun true`, |
| 05:01.04 | jwilliams_ | it throws NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0. |
| 05:01.40 | jwilliams_ | what might be the problem? |
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| 05:07.59 | blackjack | can help my http://dpaste.com/1246580/ |
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| 05:14.04 | themill | breadtk: the output of "wget -O /dev/null $that_url" would be handy to see in a pastebin... |
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| 05:24.47 | breadtk | themill: adding it now... |
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| 05:26.30 | breadtk | themill: http://pastie.org/8050789 |
| 05:26.55 | themill | breadtk: and where are these links to be found? |
| 05:26.56 | breadtk | themill: I also sent the same details to "debian-www@lists.debian.org" |
| 05:27.22 | breadtk | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 05:27.32 | breadtk | and...http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 05:27.52 | themill | breadtk: and what's the out of "wget -O /dev/null www.debian.org" |
| 05:28.21 | themill | (that's actually the most important detail -- we already know that 7.1 has been released, we just need to know which www.d.o mirror is out of date) |
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| 05:28.58 | breadtk | It is http://caesar.acc.umu.se/ |
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| 05:29.36 | breadtk | As shown by line 13 in http://pastie.org/8050789 |
| 05:29.37 | themill | really? |
| 05:29.40 | themill | no |
| 05:29.55 | themill | That's the output for a different URL |
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| 05:30.22 | breadtk | Here is the wget output: http://pastie.org/8050803 |
| 05:30.28 | fgx1 | Hello everyone! I've got an urgent problem with my local SSH server: I get "connection refused" when trying to connect to localhost via SSH (no iptables etc.) and the post does not appear in netstat output, as if the sshd isn't listening |
| 05:30.50 | fgx1 | and yet, in auh.log it says "Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22" |
| 05:31.04 | fgx1 | s/post/port/ |
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| 05:31.41 | themill | breadtk: thanks -- debian www people prodded. Either that mirror will be taken out of the rotation of updated soon |
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| 05:32.03 | fgx1 | any ideas? netcat can't connect either, it's not an auth issue and DEBUG logging level doesn't seem to help... |
| 05:32.06 | breadtk | themill: thanks. I've poked them via debian-www@lists.debian.org as well.. |
| 05:35.12 | fgx1 | Also, the file /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run does NOT exist. This is driving me crazy... |
| 05:35.48 | themill | breadtk: can you do a hard reload on the distrib/netinst page? |
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| 05:40.21 | breadtk | htesure sec. |
| 05:40.25 | breadtk | *sure |
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| 05:41.16 | breadtk | Looks good. Though now there is a different problem... |
| 05:41.35 | breadtk | themill: It appears the Debian bittorrent tracker doesn't know about the new 7.1 torrent files? |
| 05:41.51 | breadtk | That wouldn't be in the www group's realm would it? |
| 05:42.10 | themill | nfc. Never use them. the bt stuff is probably the cd team |
| 05:42.29 | breadtk | k I'll ping them. |
| 05:43.18 | themill | breadtk: once again, please be specific about which URL you are looking at and which torrent link doesn't work |
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| 05:47.08 | fgx1 | This is crazy, changing t the default port (22) worked fine... |
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| 05:51.59 | sparse | Hello, I try to find a linux-debug package to get the kernel debuginfo symbols but I can not find that anywhere. Does it require a rebuilt? |
| 05:52.50 | peterrooney | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-i386-dbg |
| 05:52.51 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-i386-dbg' was found in i386. |
| 05:52.58 | peterrooney | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg |
| 05:52.59 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg' was found in i386. |
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| 05:53.21 | peterrooney | grr, braindead self much? |
| 05:53.24 | peterrooney | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg |
| 05:53.26 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg' was found in i386. |
| 05:54.04 | sparse | judd: I supposed the package should be named linux-debug (at least this is seenas a proposed for systemtap) but no such image exists |
| 05:54.05 | judd | No package named 'supposed' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 05:54.10 | peterrooney | ,v --arch amd64 linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg |
| 05:54.11 | judd | No package named '--arch' was found in amd64. |
| 05:54.42 | peterrooney | judd: versions linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg --arch amd64 |
| 05:54.43 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64-dbg on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 3.2.41-2+deb7u2; jessie: 3.2.46-1; wheezy: 3.2.46-1 |
| 05:55.09 | peterrooney | I knew it existed SOMEWHERE! Would have been faster to config and recompile from source |
| 05:55.13 | gnude | hello, why 7.1 and not 7.0.1 as it would be normal? |
| 05:55.35 | themill | gnude: redundant zeroes are redundant. |
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| 05:56.00 | sparse | peterrooney: well, but how do I setup that? Do I need anything more than CONFIG_DEBUG? Please note that I need just debuginfo not real debugging support in kernel |
| 05:56.48 | peterrooney | sparse: not really. assuming bash-completion installed and active, apt-get install linux-image<TAB><TAB> and go from there. |
| 05:57.47 | sparse | peterrooney: you are right, thanks |
| 05:58.08 | sparse | peterrooney: I found the package finally as you said |
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| 06:00.45 | Elrond_Wang | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 06:19.47 | tkl | Hello |
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| 06:24.28 | reavengrey | Yo, if somehow somebody was to mess up their host GCC installation |
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| 06:24.47 | reavengrey | Say, LD was somehow messed up from a failed cross-compiler build |
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| 06:25.00 | reavengrey | And the person may or may not have overwritten his host LD or something |
| 06:25.19 | reavengrey | Is there a magic apt command that can repair the host binutils and config, or build-essential? |
| 06:26.29 | themill | !debsums |
| 06:26.30 | dpkg | [debsums] a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
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| 06:27.11 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks |
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| 06:51.41 | rlax | hello everyone |
| 06:51.53 | superlinux-hp | rlax, hi |
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| 06:53.52 | rlax | is possible to run 2 geusts with apache (one apache per one vserver) and divide an incomming traffic by iptables |
| 06:54.04 | rlax | host has only one ip address |
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| 06:54.57 | rlax | and of course it will be great if both apaches will be listen on port 80 :) |
| 06:55.32 | ksk | not possible |
| 06:55.54 | ksk | in theory one could divdive bei ServerNameIndication but afaik this is just implemented at webserver-level |
| 06:56.12 | rlax | I thought hmm :/ |
| 06:56.19 | themill | You could do it with a proxying frontend like varnish or similar |
| 06:56.33 | rlax | proxy on the host ritght? |
| 06:56.44 | themill | or on Yet Another VM |
| 06:56.46 | ksk | or on a 3rd vm |
| 06:57.07 | histo | rlax: why would you want to do that? |
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| 06:57.17 | histo | rlax: you can have multiple sites on one machine with just regular apache |
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| 06:57.58 | rlax | i'd like to run few project (one per vm) in that way, that coders from one project won't see a code from other project |
| 06:58.14 | rlax | i'd like phyzicaly separate projects |
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| 07:00.01 | rlax | ok thanks, proxy variant seems good |
| 07:02.48 | histo | rlax: This could all be controlled with proper configuration and user setup |
| 07:03.02 | themill | histo: not easily |
| 07:03.04 | histo | rlax: if you want to go the virtual route to really seperate them. Take a look at lxc's |
| 07:03.08 | histo | themill: sure it could. |
| 07:03.19 | themill | histo: do elaborate then |
| 07:03.44 | themill | rlax: another alternative to varnish is nodejs btw http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/node-reverse-proxy/ (or you can use apache as a reverse proxy) |
| 07:03.49 | histo | themill: restrict address to the code via users.. Use sites-enabled etc... to have each site hosted from different places |
| 07:04.23 | themill | histo: if the apache process can read the code and the developer can write programs that apache runs, then any developer can grab any file |
| 07:04.58 | histo | themill: this is all accessible via the web then it doesn't matter what you do they can grab any file. |
| 07:05.18 | histo | themill: they just need to know the other url that answers |
| 07:05.21 | themill | histo: no |
| 07:05.45 | histo | Well it sounds to me as if he is over complicating things that don't need to be this difficult. Unless I missed something. |
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| 07:06.15 | themill | histo: the web server will only dish out the interpreted php/perl/python/whatever. But anyone else who is writing code that is executed by that webserver can get the source code |
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| 07:07.34 | histo | themill: Not if they don't have access to that directory etc... |
| 07:08.07 | themill | histo: if www-data has access to it then they do |
| 07:08.31 | histo | themill: you aren't understanding me. |
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| 07:09.38 | themill | histo: basically, there is no way of preventing someone who writes code that is executed by apache from not grabbing any source code from some other person on the same machine who is also allowing apache to read their code and execute it. |
| 07:10.03 | histo | themill: groups |
| 07:10.13 | themill | histo: no. That doesn't work... |
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| 07:10.27 | themill | I think we're going around in circles here... |
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| 07:11.03 | histo | themill: you can have them not be a member of the www-data group |
| 07:11.16 | histo | themill: but still ahve access to "their" files you understand that right? |
| 07:11.19 | themill | histo: the httpd is still a member of www-data, however |
| 07:11.31 | histo | themill: they aren't running httpd |
| 07:11.41 | themill | histo: httpd is still running, right? |
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| 07:12.01 | Dewi | histo: apache binds one listen IP:port to one user |
| 07:12.19 | jelly-home | so make the code not be executed by apache, but by separate fastcgi services |
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| 07:12.40 | jelly-home | one for each user, problem solved |
| 07:12.44 | themill | yes, that is what is requried. And it's far from "just change the groups" and a long way from the standard configurations |
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| 07:12.48 | histo | I though he just wants different people to have access to their own code? two different sites |
| 07:13.06 | themill | histo: no, different people to *not* have access to someone else's code |
| 07:13.08 | Dewi | histo: yes but only one apache |
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| 07:13.42 | Dewi | in the end whatever apache can access, it can access. To break free of that you need suexec/fastcgi/reverse proxy to another server |
| 07:13.50 | histo | one site belongs to user x group www-data user x is not in www-data ; the other site in an entirely different directory belongs to user y and www-data. user y is also not in www-data. User x has no access to y etc... |
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| 07:13.58 | themill | histo: httpd is running as www-data:www-data. So if I give httpd some code to execute, it is executed as www-data:www-data. So if apache can read *your* source code, it can then give it to *me* if I ask it to. Unless you do some sort of per/php-suid thingy |
| 07:14.03 | Dewi | histo: so apache will only work on one of them |
| 07:14.08 | Dewi | histo: because apache is only one user |
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| 07:14.49 | histo | Dewi: apache can answer multiple url requests give access to "their code" via permissions on the server |
| 07:14.54 | Dewi | themill: doubt that's doable with mod-php since they all share everything |
| 07:15.16 | Dewi | histo: at what point does it change uid? |
| 07:15.19 | themill | Dewi: indeed |
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| 07:15.42 | histo | Dewi: who said anything about changing uid. He said he wanted two sites with users only having access to "their code" |
| 07:15.55 | themill | histo: no. Permissions do not help you here. If apache can read it, anyone who writes a cgi for apache can read it via the cgi they have written. |
| 07:16.47 | Dewi | histo: apache is only one "user", it either can read something or can't, there is no "depends" |
| 07:16.54 | themill | histo: you seem to be missing the fact that everyone's CGIs are being executed by the www-data user in the end. (unless you do what jelly-home suggested with user-specific cgid) |
| 07:17.01 | histo | themill: Oh I see what you are saying access via cgi well that's an entirely different thing. |
| 07:17.17 | Dewi | histo: um, no, cgi or reverse proxy is the ONLY solution |
| 07:17.37 | Dewi | because those are the only ways to pass the request to something that isn't that same uid |
| 07:17.39 | themill | (were user-specific cgi is essentially a reverse proxy) |
| 07:18.38 | Dewi | themill: the process lifetime is different, but they are broadly similar |
| 07:18.49 | themill | yes |
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| 07:20.15 | histo | I would assume with the multitude of ISPs out there that dynamically host pages there is an easy way to accomplish cgi per user |
| 07:20.25 | Dewi | there isn't |
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| 07:21.23 | Dewi | most of those would be running commercial software not available in debian |
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| 07:22.44 | Dewi | anyway php-fpm is fully endorsed as part of php now |
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| 07:28.29 | jelly-home | histo: there are multiple ways, usually doing per-vhost instead of per-user, some more efficient than others. php5-fpm can be part of such a solution |
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| 07:29.10 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 07:29.20 | cousin_luigi | How can I remove all packages for a particular architecture? |
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| 07:31.08 | themill | aptitude search '?architecture(...)' is alleged to work. You can also use "foreign" in there to find all of them |
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| 07:32.15 | themill | so "aptitude remove '?architecture(i386)?installed'" would hopefully do what you want |
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| 07:38.34 | cousin_luigi | themill: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 07:38.51 | cousin_luigi | themill: by the way, do yo think it's possible to obtain a similar result using apt? |
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| 07:41.22 | themill | cousin_luigi: not easily, but you should be able to get it out of dpkg. (dpkg -l would work with an appropriate amount of sed or awk; dpkg-query should be able to do it too) |
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| 07:41.54 | cousin_luigi | themill: yeah, I was hoping there was an inbuilt solution |
| 07:41.56 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
| 07:41.58 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 07:43.32 | CalimeroTeknik | can I ask dpkg-buildpackage or something to install the required dependencies for a package I'm compiling? |
| 07:44.29 | petn-randall | CalimeroTeknik: You can use 'apt-get build-dep $sourcepackage' for that. |
| 07:44.40 | themill | or mk-build-deps |
| 07:44.44 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, good, thanks |
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| 07:46.31 | gebi | hi all |
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| 07:47.07 | gebi | since a few days xset/xmodmad commands do not work most of the time on debian sid, any idea what that could be? |
| 07:47.17 | gebi | (no error, nothing, just it does not work) |
| 07:47.48 | gebi | eg. changing buttons with xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 ...' or xset m 1 1 |
| 07:47.51 | CalimeroTeknik | apt-get build-deps says I must put "some source URI in sources.list"; I tried with the source archive as the argument as well but it doesn't seem to be it |
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| 07:48.27 | themill | dpkg: tell CalimeroTeknik about deb-src |
| 07:48.47 | CalimeroTeknik | can mk-build-deps install the dependencies for a debian source package? (*.debian.tar.gz) |
| 07:49.18 | themill | yes. It looks in debian/control for the relevant information |
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| 07:49.59 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: note that the source package is not just the .debian.tar.gz file -- it's 3 files .dsc .orig.tar.gz and .debian.tar.gz (or bz2 or xz) |
| 07:50.46 | CalimeroTeknik | yes, indeed. it's just, the dependencies are in the .debian.tar.gz file |
| 07:51.18 | CalimeroTeknik | I'm not proficient with the debian utilities, but mk-build-deps is probably in the package devscripts |
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| 07:51.42 | themill | yes. You also need "equivs" installed |
| 07:52.43 | CalimeroTeknik | ah? what does it provide? |
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| 07:54.17 | themill | mk-build-deps for package foo gives you a package called "foo-build-deps" which you can then install. foo-build-deps depends on the packages you need. The nice thing is that when you get rid of foo-build-deps, apt's autoremove function will get rid of the build deps for you too |
| 07:54.58 | CalimeroTeknik | yes but I can't install a package file with apt |
| 07:55.25 | CalimeroTeknik | and dpkg doesn't install dependencies from repositories, so I'm screwed |
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| 07:55.55 | themill | no, you can either "mk-build-deps -i" or "mk-build-deps; dpkg -i foo-build-deps*.deb; apt-get -f install" |
| 07:56.14 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, yes! the apt-get -f install trick |
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| 07:56.37 | CalimeroTeknik | apt-get needs to get support for installing from a file :) |
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| 07:56.53 | themill | why? that's not its job. |
| 07:57.26 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, because we have to resort to breaking the dependency tree and fix it with another command |
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| 07:58.10 | themill | there's already gdebi and cupt that do this in one step if you need it |
| 07:58.51 | CalimeroTeknik | whoa, more tools? |
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| 07:58.58 | CalimeroTeknik | reads on |
| 07:59.19 | themill | I wouldn't bother with either of them... "mk-build-deps -i" already does what you need |
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| 08:01.18 | themill | ,bug 47379 |
| 08:01.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/47379 in apt (open): «apt-get install could install local package files, too»; severity: wishlist; opened: 1999-10-14; last modified: 2013-04-15. |
| 08:01.21 | themill | jtfr |
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| 08:02.32 | CalimeroTeknik | pacman had this almost from the beginning, -U option (it installs the package file and the requisite dependencies from the repositories) |
| 08:03.03 | themill | So? It's really not a feature that is interesting so it's not there. |
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| 08:03.47 | themill | ls could have a --make-me-a-sandwich option too that could do so if you had the necessary hardware... but no-one would think it was a good plan |
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| 08:05.08 | mrtnt | I need to change FAT32 file system size over a CLI. What is the best file-system manager for this? Parted? |
| 08:05.57 | jelly-home | function apt-get () { case "x$1$2" in xinstall*deb) dpkg -i "$2"; apt-get -f install ;; *) exec /usr/bin/apt-get "$@" ;; esac } |
| 08:06.15 | jelly-home | (completely untested) |
| 08:06.34 | themill | you're a sick man, jelly-home |
| 08:06.46 | jelly-home | lets themill make ls be able to sandwich |
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| 08:07.16 | themill | tbf, it should be an option for sudo |
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| 08:08.44 | CalimeroTeknik | they could add it to the easter eggs, along with "the dolphin has plunge" "you can't has your sandwich" |
| 08:08.53 | jelly-home | wonders if there are any packages in the repo named *deb |
| 08:09.43 | themill | jelly-home: 10 |
| 08:09.53 | CalimeroTeknik | wait, mk-build-deps doesn't take a source .debian.tar.gz file as its argument? |
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| 08:10.12 | themill | ,names *deb |
| 08:10.17 | judd | Search for *deb in wheezy/i386: bzr-builddeb 2.8.4; customdeb 0.1; cvs-autoreleasedeb 0.12-1; emdebian-tdeb 3.0.7; gem2deb 0.3.0; kde-thumbnailer-deb 1.3.0-2; python-stdeb 0.6.0+20100620-2; python-van.pydeb 1.3.3-1; svn-autoreleasedeb 0.12-1; xdeb 0.6.6 |
| 08:10.53 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: you would normally be operating on the unpackaged source package. You need to unpack it to build it. |
| 08:12.38 | CalimeroTeknik | okay, will do then |
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| 08:13.07 | jpinx | on attempting to upgrade to wheezy I am presented with a huge amount of changes and a long list of solutions with option to "accept this solution" I accepted the default and went on to install, but now I amgetting a furthe screen full of information about things like "eglibc (2.13-25) unstable; urgency=medium". What am I doing wrong ? |
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| 08:14.20 | cameltoe1 | installed fbxkb , how do i add other languages? |
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| 08:15.44 | themill | jpinx: you should be using apt-get not aptitude to do the upgrade; you're currently seeing the NEWS files for the packages from apt-listchanges. You're still not following the release notes, are you? |
| 08:15.49 | jpinx | http://paste.debian.net/10832/ |
| 08:16.44 | BlueShark | Hi, I'm trying to install webmin on Debian following http://www.webmin.com/deb.html but I'm getting this error. How can I fix it? |
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| 08:16.54 | BlueShark | errorist: http://pastie.org/8051114 |
| 08:17.25 | BlueShark | *errors |
| 08:17.38 | BlueShark | I tried "apt-get -f install" as suggested, but it didn't do anything. |
| 08:17.39 | themill | BlueShark: /msg dpkg pal me |
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| 08:18.25 | BlueShark | themill: sorry, what? |
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| 08:18.41 | themill | dpkg, pal BlueShark |
| 08:18.42 | dpkg | points at BlueShark and laughs hysterically |
| 08:19.05 | jpinx | themill: sorry |
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| 08:19.12 | themill | BlueShark: please ask the webmin people what's wrong. We don't support webmin or their packages here |
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| 08:20.12 | cameltoe1 | how do i add other languages? |
| 08:20.33 | superlinux-hp | cameltoe1, use the applet |
| 08:20.44 | BlueShark | themill: I'm not asking for help with any configuration or anything. Just installation. :) |
| 08:20.51 | BlueShark | But ... nvm. |
| 08:21.09 | cameltoe1 | applet? i am on bbqlinux |
| 08:21.10 | superlinux-hp | cameltoe1, right click the applet of keyboard layouts |
| 08:21.47 | superlinux-hp | cameltoe1, that's on gnome |
| 08:21.57 | cameltoe1 | jwm |
| 08:22.05 | jpinx | themill: seems like the upgrades become more problematic each time :( |
| 08:22.31 | themill | jpinx: ish. squeeze->wheezy is an icky one, but not for any of the reasons you've discovered yet... |
| 08:22.34 | superlinux-hp | cameltoe1, not sure then.. read about setxkbmap |
| 08:23.06 | cameltoe1 | the bbq got no chat room so this is the only place |
| 08:23.06 | jpinx | doesn't want to discover any more ickiness |
| 08:23.20 | superlinux-hp | themill, wheezy is a kind of let-down in the debian reputation |
| 08:23.28 | themill | cameltoe1: perhaps you want to try ##linux |
| 08:23.48 | cameltoe1 | its a deb based distro |
| 08:23.50 | themill | superlinux-hp: the upgrade is a little scary in places but still quite doable. Once you're there, it's fine. |
| 08:23.52 | cameltoe1 | wheezy |
| 08:23.57 | themill | cameltoe1: this channel is for debian. |
| 08:24.18 | cameltoe1 | i know and bbq is deb |
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| 08:25.06 | themill | cameltoe1: if it were debian, you would have downloaded it from www.debian.org; please take it elsewhere |
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| 08:25.12 | jpinx | themill: it seems a bit over-the-top to have to read that mighty tome of release notes just to find out that aptitude is no longer flavour-of-the-month :( |
| 08:25.36 | superlinux-hp | themill, my wifi disconnects for no reason from time to time. gnome 3 is rubbish. and many other things that are not the space to mention over here |
| 08:25.40 | themill | jpinx: aptitude hasn't been recommended for dist-upgrades for quite a while. And you should always be reading the release notes... |
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| 08:26.07 | themill | superlinux-hp: so use some other window manager or write your own... you can't blame debian for gnome 3 |
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| 08:26.25 | superlinux-hp | i know.. |
| 08:26.26 | jpinx | themill: I confess to not having been active in here much so I probably missed a few things like that |
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| 08:27.06 | CalimeroTeknik | all the more reason to read the news about what you're about to install! |
| 08:27.22 | jpinx | CalimeroTeknik: fair point ;) |
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| 08:28.01 | jpinx | waits for apt-get -d to finish before launcing the upgrade again |
| 08:29.21 | CalimeroTeknik | I reckon the lock file would prevent you from running two instances of the package manager anyway |
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| 08:32.19 | rjsalts | the lock file does, aye |
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| 08:33.26 | milligan | I have created some files programatically, but my code as failed and filenames have some strange character in them. I think it's a double '\n'. Ls shows files as ABC??.png. I want to remove all files that contain the ?? character, but not the files in the same directory that don't contain it. Any ideas how I can find them ? |
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| 08:35.12 | histo | milligan: find /some/directory -iname 'something' -exec rm {} + |
| 08:35.17 | CalimeroTeknik | it seems you can't use find -name '*\n*' |
| 08:35.28 | histo | milligan: I would make sure find works properly first before -exec rm |
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| 08:35.48 | CalimeroTeknik | histo, replace -exec rm {} \; by -delete maybe? |
| 08:36.48 | histo | wonders if + is faster than -delete |
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| 08:37.08 | milligan | histo, can find look for files that contain "\n" ? |
| 08:37.44 | CalimeroTeknik | why yes, forking rm for each file is bound to be slow, histo |
| 08:37.54 | themill | + doesn't fork for each file |
| 08:38.00 | CalimeroTeknik | ahh |
| 08:38.12 | milligan | I don't have millions of files, so speed is of no concern. I'm only concerned about finding the files that contain these special characters. |
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| 08:38.50 | CalimeroTeknik | sorry, my attempt at answering failed :[ |
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| 08:39.28 | CalimeroTeknik | wait |
| 08:39.35 | histo | milligan: yes if you escape the \ |
| 08:39.40 | CalimeroTeknik | find folder -name '* |
| 08:39.44 | CalimeroTeknik | *' |
| 08:39.53 | CalimeroTeknik | true line jump → works |
| 08:40.13 | CalimeroTeknik | good old trick |
| 08:40.36 | milligan | histo, find . -iname '\\n' returns nothing |
| 08:40.42 | themill | bash would probably let you $'foo\nbar' too. But I suspect it's not actually a \n |
| 08:40.48 | histo | milligan: you need * |
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| 08:41.02 | histo | milligan: find . -name '*\\n*' |
| 08:41.21 | milligan | still nothing |
| 08:41.33 | CalimeroTeknik | milligan, did you ignore my giving the solution? |
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| 08:41.46 | milligan | CalimeroTeknik, that would have to be inserted in a script ? |
| 08:41.47 | histo | milligan: let me try something hold up |
| 08:42.10 | CalimeroTeknik | milligan, in a script or your shell, it works |
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| 08:42.25 | milligan | CalimeroTeknik, how do I insert a "true line jump" on console ? |
| 08:42.34 | CalimeroTeknik | press enter |
| 08:42.40 | CalimeroTeknik | heh |
| 08:42.44 | histo | milligan: works here for me with *\\n* |
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| 08:43.00 | milligan | Ah, there we go! |
| 08:43.22 | milligan | CalimeroTekniks method worked, haha. Had a little brainfart on how to execute it :) I was doing it all in one line. |
| 08:43.58 | TheGrey | o/ I'm currently making a config for the linux 3.9.5 kernel. What is a "Cross-compiler tool prefic (CROSS_COMPILE) [] (NEW)" mean? It doesn't even have a Y/n next to it? Is this the right channel to ask? |
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| 08:45.48 | CalimeroTeknik | TheGrey, you needn't define this if you're not compiling the kernel for a different processor than the machine's |
| 08:45.49 | milligan | perfect. They're gone. Thanks guys :) |
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| 08:46.16 | CalimeroTeknik | also, good scripts ought to manage these files as if they were perfectly normal |
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| 09:10.23 | DarsVaeda | how can I get thunderbird addons to work in icedove? |
| 09:10.53 | CalimeroTeknik | isn't icedove just a rebranded thunderbird? |
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| 09:11.01 | DarsVaeda | you wish |
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| 09:11.18 | DarsVaeda | whoever had the great idea... |
| 09:11.26 | DarsVaeda | yeah well it seems addons don't like it |
| 09:11.48 | DarsVaeda | like iceteletubbi or whatever the calender might be called |
| 09:11.54 | DarsVaeda | and dropbox and others -.- |
| 09:12.14 | CalimeroTeknik | isn't the dropbox one proprietary stuff? |
| 09:12.19 | DarsVaeda | yep |
| 09:12.36 | DarsVaeda | I guess in the addon settings the name thunderbird is just hardcoded + version |
| 09:12.38 | CalimeroTeknik | debian is allergic to such things |
| 09:12.52 | jpinx | -d complete -- now for the dist-upgrade :s |
| 09:12.59 | Wizard | DarsVaeda: Rebranding is Mozilla Foundation's idea. |
| 09:13.11 | Zharf | DarsVaeda, I think they don't like it because icedove is so old |
| 09:13.37 | Wizard | Since they had some legal objections about Debian Project patching "their" stuff. |
| 09:13.43 | DarsVaeda | what version is icedove 10 compared to tb? |
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| 09:13.53 | Wizard | DarsVaeda: Same. |
| 09:13.57 | Wizard | It is 1:1. |
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| 09:14.28 | DarsVaeda | oh thats 7 versions back then, that would explain something :) |
| 09:14.30 | DarsVaeda | thanks |
| 09:15.01 | Zharf | DarsVaeda, I just installed lightning to my icedove, worked fine |
| 09:15.18 | Zharf | my icedove is version 17.something |
| 09:15.30 | DarsVaeda | mine is 10 ? |
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| 09:15.33 | DarsVaeda | wheezy |
| 09:15.38 | Zharf | sid :) |
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| 09:16.30 | DarsVaeda | okay so do I fiddle out how to upgrade to icedove 17 or do I install thunderbird ^^ |
| 09:16.54 | Zharf | I don't have an opinion for that |
| 09:17.03 | jelly | !mdn |
| 09:17.03 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 09:17.34 | jelly | DarsVaeda: ^^ is where you're going to find icedove 17 esr builds |
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| 09:17.59 | DarsVaeda | now I'm puzzeld even more ^^ |
| 09:18.03 | DarsVaeda | so esr == 17? |
| 09:18.17 | DarsVaeda | cause other versions are 3.0 and 3.1 |
| 09:18.30 | jelly | at this point in time, yes esr = 17.0.x versions |
| 09:18.39 | DarsVaeda | okay thanks |
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| 09:19.12 | DarsVaeda | I wonder if this is really easier than finding out how to add BCC in evolution ^^ |
| 09:19.28 | Zharf | -.- |
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| 09:25.08 | CalimeroTeknik | !pkg boost in wheezy |
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| 09:27.35 | DarsVaeda | ah well can't install as not found...I guess I just give up |
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| 09:34.32 | DarsVaeda | ha guess what I got it :D |
| 09:34.54 | DarsVaeda | btw. do you know how to delete an icon in the main bar in gnome3 compat mode? :/ |
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| 09:39.35 | dekiss | why when I mount usb liek this sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/user/usb I got this /dev/sdb1 on /home/dejan/usb type iso9660 (ro,relatime) |
| 09:39.42 | dekiss | and warning that usb is mounterd read only |
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| 09:40.12 | Wizard | DarsVaeda: alt+right click gives you a menu. |
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| 09:40.42 | DarsVaeda | ah great that does it :) |
| 09:41.20 | Wizard | Well, personally I don't think it's great. That was one of the most stupid things they did in Gnome ;P |
| 09:41.37 | Wizard | Next stupid thing was *abandoning* classic mode in 3.6. |
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| 09:42.26 | DarsVaeda | get a graphics card that is not supported and you have at least this mode |
| 09:42.29 | DarsVaeda | :P |
| 09:42.50 | Wizard | Yes, I agree. |
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| 09:45.12 | dekiss | I am pretty sure something is very wrong with my fonts, when I visit webpages I see bad fonts |
| 09:45.20 | dekiss | what can be? how to install fonts? |
| 09:45.35 | Wizard | dekiss: apt-cache search fonts will give you big list ;) |
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| 09:46.19 | dekiss | Wizard, how to install all that are default? |
| 09:46.36 | ChrisH_ | dekiss: who's default? |
| 09:46.56 | dekiss | are there default fonts that are missing so I see this? |
| 09:47.08 | dekiss | sometimes I see webpages with very bad fonts |
| 09:47.14 | dekiss | strange fonts |
| 09:47.22 | Wizard | They come with *desktop tasks. |
| 09:47.35 | Wizard | If anything in Debian is 'default' :P |
| 09:47.37 | ChrisH_ | dekiss: I normally blame the webpage designer then :) |
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| 09:48.15 | DarsVaeda | guess you have to get used to standard debian fonts? |
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| 09:48.46 | Wizard | dekiss: You can additionally install non-free microsoft-core-fonts. |
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| 09:53.40 | dekiss | guys any idea why when I inserted new usb into my pc it auto mounted? |
| 09:53.46 | dekiss | in nautilus I can see files read only ^^ |
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| 09:53.48 | jpinx | themill: can I suggest that the release notes are available as a plain-text download that can easily be read in other OS's ? ;) |
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| 09:54.03 | dekiss | ChrisH, I use Arial for my webpage |
| 09:54.21 | dekiss | and I see my webpage with bad fonts from linux and good fonts from microsoft |
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| 09:55.03 | dekiss | Wizard, how to install non-free microsoft core fonts |
| 09:55.17 | dekiss | I installed all non free fonts i found in synaptic but they are not there in the list |
| 09:56.05 | dekiss | is it good idea to install all fonts that synaptic lists? |
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| 09:56.31 | Wizard | dekiss: It is your system. |
| 09:56.47 | dekiss | ok |
| 09:56.55 | dekiss | I am not sure whats going on |
| 09:57.12 | dekiss | on default debian 7 installation font Arial is installed or no? |
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| 09:57.42 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys! When istalling debian, the installer suggested I make a root partition of 10Gb. I agreed and now it seems that I'm getting out of space in / . Are there any ways of solving this? |
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| 09:58.31 | ChrisH | dekiss: run xfontsel to select the installed fonts... I am not sure if there are more |
| 09:59.08 | Cowaeter | dekiss: the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package will fetch the fonts you seem to be interested in, if you want a free variant look at the fonts-liberation package |
| 10:01.18 | dekiss | ok thank you |
| 10:01.31 | dekiss | I instaleld all font that are in synaptic :) |
| 10:01.33 | dekiss | pls tell me |
| 10:01.45 | dekiss | why when I inserted usb it auto mount read only? |
| 10:02.09 | dekiss | im not sure where it mount but I can see files from nautilus |
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| 10:05.03 | Cowaeter | run dmesg in a terminal window, maybe there was a message about why it mounted that way, here's an example of relevant lines when i plugged a usb stick http://paste.debian.net/10847/ |
| 10:05.09 | dekiss | i am doing sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb^C/home/user /usb |
| 10:05.14 | dekiss | but I get read only mount why? |
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| 10:05.58 | ChrisH | dekiss: in a shell: aptitude search ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 10:06.15 | Cowaeter | if you mount as root and try to access it as a user you probably won't have permissions |
| 10:06.31 | dekiss | ah yes |
| 10:06.34 | dekiss | so what I Do lol :S |
| 10:06.45 | dekiss | can I mount as user or give user permision to write to it? |
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| 10:06.55 | dekiss | I though if I mount it in user folder user can write to it |
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| 10:24.32 | Tumulte | Hey |
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| 10:25.48 | Tumulte | I've just had a power cut in the middle of an upgrade apache is broken and the usual tricks don't work |
| 10:26.09 | Tumulte | apt is broken because of a broken apache2 |
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| 10:29.23 | ksk | Tumulte: -vvv, also, paste the errors you get (probably apt-get upgrade or which step you were performing) |
| 10:29.35 | ksk | (nopaste) |
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| 10:30.40 | dmbaturin | Why gnome-terminal in wheezy doesn't pick up GTK3 theme settings when run outside of gnome3 session? |
| 10:31.35 | Tumulte | ksk: http://paste.debian.net/10853/ |
| 10:32.52 | ksk | Tumulte: export LANG=en_US or whatever, i do not understand french :P |
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| 10:33.12 | ksk | Tumulte: uncomment the php5.load file? |
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| 10:33.32 | Tumulte | ksk: I thought it was pretty strainght forward but still, here we go ! |
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| 10:33.44 | ksk | it is, no need to genereate a new paste |
| 10:34.29 | Tumulte | ok |
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| 10:35.09 | Tumulte | ksk: what do you mean uncomment ? |
| 10:35.29 | Tumulte | comment, you mean ? |
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| 10:36.30 | ksk | erm, yes. so apache starts, i guess you will read a reinstall apache2 or sth, as its in a inconsitent state (eg php modules do not meet with installed apache version) |
| 10:36.38 | ksk | s/read/need/ |
| 10:37.05 | dekiss | sudo -rm -rf "/home/user/usb/aa aa" sudo: /home/user/usb/aa aa: command not found |
| 10:37.15 | dekiss | I want to delete directory on usb which is not empty please help |
| 10:37.23 | dekiss | I tried everything I found on Google |
| 10:37.32 | ksk | -rm ? |
| 10:37.54 | ksk | put it in single quotes, or escape the whitepsace, like "aa\ aa" |
| 10:38.08 | ksk | or use find. or... |
| 10:38.47 | Tumulte | ksk: yup... but removing it thanks to apt won't work either |
| 10:39.18 | ksk | Tumulte: restore from backup ;) |
| 10:39.48 | ksk | im not into apt, sorry. guess just "try and error" should do the trick ;) |
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| 10:41.36 | Joe7 | hi |
| 10:42.04 | themill | jpinx: they are: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes.en.txt |
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| 10:42.56 | Joe7 | Just upgraded to wheezy, and spamassassin died bigtime, with the error http://pastebin.com/p6DFpQX8 . Any tips r appreciated :| |
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| 10:47.56 | osfd | Hi there, what would you install as a local server, just for web dev, please ? |
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| 10:48.51 | osfd | lighttpd ? |
| 10:48.54 | osfd | lamp ? |
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| 10:49.24 | Joe7 | whatever is adequate for your needs and is the simplest to use/set up for u |
| 10:49.26 | tralala | osfd, "what would you install" and "web dev" are very broad categories. Try narrowing down the question. |
| 10:50.15 | osfd | I compose web pages for a personnal website. My menu is in a separate file and I do include it in every pages. Though, I cannot see the result locally |
| 10:50.32 | osfd | so I guess I need a small local server |
| 10:51.30 | tralala | osfd, are you talking static content? |
| 10:51.46 | osfd | page is static, menu is static |
| 10:51.51 | osfd | averything static |
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| 10:52.17 | grzeslaw | hello guys. |
| 10:52.19 | osfd | tralala: http://opensourcewebsite.free.fr/ |
| 10:52.29 | tralala | osfd, thttpd should do fine |
| 10:52.35 | iwz1623 | osfd: most simple server would be thttpd i guess |
| 10:52.41 | grzeslaw | anyone have idea why my snmp is restarting from time to time automaticly? |
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| 10:53.04 | Flashtek | grzeslaw: anything in the logs ? |
| 10:53.24 | osfd | tralala: iwz1623 thttpd ? you're talking about lighttpd, aren't you ? |
| 10:53.33 | iwz1623 | osfd: no, thttpd |
| 10:53.55 | osfd | iwz1623: not in my repo :/ |
| 10:54.22 | iwz1623 | osfd: wtf? which distro version? |
| 10:54.31 | osfd | iwz1623: wheezy |
| 10:54.37 | grzeslaw | Flashtek: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vVJvGgr5 |
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| 10:54.42 | iwz1623 | osfd: debian squeeze still has it |
| 10:55.06 | osfd | well, that implies mixing distros... |
| 10:55.19 | iwz1623 | osfd: hold on, i'll check wheezy |
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| 10:56.19 | iwz1623 | osfd: damn, it is really gone |
| 10:56.27 | tralala | osfd, it seems that it's going to be dropped from debian, go with any other light weight server |
| 10:56.50 | osfd | tralala: lighttpd would be fine then... ? |
| 10:57.01 | iwz1623 | osfd: you could build it from source, its only dependecy is libc-dev |
| 10:57.13 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:57.22 | Joe7 | Any ideas regarding failing SpamAssassin install http://pastebin.com/p6DFpQX8a ? |
| 10:57.44 | tralala | osfd, anything small and simple will be fine for your needs. The smallest and the simplest - the better. |
| 10:57.48 | osfd | iwz1623: well, in case lighttpd does not the job, I will, but so far I'll see if he can handle it |
| 10:57.52 | Joe7 | http://pastebin.com/p6DFpQX8 even |
| 10:58.02 | Posterdati | please I running an ssh session to a remote machine executing a command, then my shell closed and my ssh session it's alive, how can I recover it? |
| 10:58.05 | iwz1623 | okay, i'm off |
| 10:59.45 | osfd | iwz1623: thank you though |
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| 11:01.48 | moonman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.00 | osfd | tralala: server is installed and I guess configured, thank to http://debianhelp.co.uk/lighttpd.htm |
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| 11:02.33 | osfd | localhost shws a page |
| 11:02.50 | Lartza | How would I handle "The following packages have been kept back: |
| 11:02.50 | Lartza | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.57 | Lartza | I don't know why it's kept back |
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| 11:07.49 | tralala | osfd, there you go - you're all set |
| 11:08.02 | osfd | tralala: I guess :) |
| 11:08.03 | osfd | thank you |
| 11:08.07 | tralala | sure |
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| 11:12.24 | osfd | tralala: I cannot see my included menu |
| 11:13.08 | osfd | this is server side include |
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| 11:14.08 | tralala | I'm not sure what you mean by server side include. |
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| 11:16.39 | osfd | say I have a html page where this <!--#include virtual="menu.html" --> is included |
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| 11:17.17 | osfd | I can see it when hosted but not when on my (brand new) server |
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| 11:22.03 | nkuttler | osfd: well configure your httpd properly.. |
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| 11:22.08 | osfd | ssi.extension = ( ".shtml" ) |
| 11:22.12 | osfd | done :) |
| 11:22.18 | osfd | sorry, this is new to me |
| 11:22.40 | abrotman | you did it on the old box? |
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| 11:54.35 | Maior | if I don't have a /boot/config-$KERNEL_VERSION can I generate it from something else somehow...? |
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| 11:56.47 | krofna | Maior: Not really. |
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| 11:58.05 | Joe7 | Any idea on howto debug compilation error (during apt-get install) of http://pastebin.com/p6DFpQX8 pls? |
| 11:58.12 | Maior | krofna: mmm thought as much, thanks |
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| 12:00.53 | abrotman | Joe7: you should probably ask the channel for your distro |
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| 12:01.34 | Joe7 | just upgraded to Wheezy and it failed in the process^ |
| 12:01.36 | abrotman | Joe7: either that, or finish upgrading your system to whatever veresion of Debian you think you're running |
| 12:01.57 | Joe7 | all other packages/ports r k |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | Joe7: that's part of the upgrdae? were you running random things? Debian packages don't use /usr/local/ |
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| 12:02.38 | Joe7 | random? went for the upgrade using the usual apt-get update && apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 12:03.24 | abrotman | Joe7: /usr/local/bin/sa-update is not a Debian package AFAIK |
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| 12:04.15 | ChrisH | debian has it here: spamassassin: /usr/bin/sa-update |
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| 12:04.49 | Joe7 | ehm no clue why is it different then |
| 12:05.05 | Joe7 | spamass was always installed via apt-get only afaik |
| 12:06.09 | Joe7 | anyhow, just need to get spamass up and running for Exim, getting 1000s of spams in inboxes, pita :> |
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| 12:06.39 | ChrisH | Joe7: show us aptitude search spamass ; dpkg -l spam\* ; apt-cache show spamassassin ; on paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:08.25 | Joe7 | sir yes sir. |
| 12:08.32 | Joe7 | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/10884/ |
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| 12:08.41 | abrotman | actually, you probably really want "apt-cache policy spamassassin" |
| 12:09.03 | Joe7 | that just |
| 12:09.08 | Joe7 | spamassassin: |
| 12:09.09 | Joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.09 | Joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.09 | Joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.09 | Joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.09 | Joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:09.18 | Joe7 | pardon me. |
| 12:09.33 | abrotman | hey, he got to five lines ... :) |
| 12:09.38 | Joe7 | http://paste.debian.net/10885/ :> |
| 12:10.27 | abrotman | interesting .. can you `dpkg -S local/bin/sa-update' ? |
| 12:10.56 | Joe7 | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *local/bin/sa-update* |
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| 12:12.16 | Twinkletoes | Is there an updated john package (not 1.7.3) which supports SHA512 hashes, or do I have to get/compile from source? |
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| 12:12.20 | Joe7 | ChrisH: anything usefull in there? |
| 12:12.24 | ChrisH | Joe7: _I_ would check the content of /usr/local and remove/rename tha directory. Then I would retry the update/config. |
| 12:13.19 | abrotman | Joe7: does /usr/local/bin/sa-update actually exist? |
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| 12:13.43 | Joe7 | abrotman: it does yep, spamassassin binary is there too |
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| 12:14.11 | ChrisH | does if differ from /usr/bin/sa-update ? |
| 12:14.13 | Joe7 | both with some nice date of nov 28 2006 |
| 12:14.45 | Joe7 | ChrisH: bigtime, yep |
| 12:15.05 | ChrisH | bigtime? |
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| 12:15.37 | abrotman | un es en espanol! |
| 12:15.39 | Joe7 | ./usr/local/bin ones seem like versions from 2006.. /usr/bin/ ones are 2010ish based on source and filedate is from today |
| 12:15.50 | abrotman | Joe7: seems like your old admin compiled SA to use with your system .. |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | yay documentaation! |
| 12:16.22 | Joe7 | that's great, how can I get rid of it properly? ;) |
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| 12:17.07 | abrotman | is this a now-broken prod system ? |
| 12:17.14 | Joe7 | yep |
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| 12:17.20 | abrotman | also, bad admin for leaving a SA binary from 2006 .. yuck |
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| 12:17.39 | abrotman | Joe7: move the binaries aside .. try to finish the upgrade .. do NOT delete them |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | Joe7: also note, this may break your MTA config if it has a hard-coded path |
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| 12:18.15 | znh_ | howdy |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | inherited systems are so much fun sometimes :) |
| 12:18.37 | Joe7 | :o |
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| 12:18.44 | znh_ | how does one generate default ssh keys without any prompt? there's a man page that mentions -A but ssh-keygen on Squeeze seems to lack this flag. Any idea? |
| 12:18.56 | Joe7 | abrotman: seems like the install suddenly finished once the binaries were moved from /usr/local/bin |
| 12:19.42 | abrotman | Joe7: just make sure you keep them around, and the originbal source if it's there somewhere, you may need it |
| 12:19.54 | abrotman | Joe7: you may have some configurations to polish up, etc .. just be wary |
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| 12:20.14 | abrotman | Joe7: SA has changed a fair amount in six years |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | or 'enough' anyway |
| 12:20.28 | Joe7 | okay, thx guys, gonna check exim now as I've temporary disabled Spamfiltering to get basic mailsystem back n running |
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| 12:20.33 | Joe7 | yeah, right, sounds like fun :P |
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| 12:20.56 | abrotman | hopefully it's more accureate and faster for you now though |
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| 12:42.58 | Joe7 | abrotman: so euhm spamd is now running, i see that w ps -aux. Reenabled spamfilter/router in exim4, but mails r simply not coming through => borked. /var/log/exim4/ reveals nothing usefull. The only hardcoded spamass path in exim4/conf is correct /usr/bin/spamc. |
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| 12:44.49 | abrotman | Joe7: is SA putting them somewhere on the filesystem ? |
| 12:46.10 | Joe7 | good question |
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| 12:46.58 | SerajewelKS | i currently have postfix+courier set up on my mail server, and i have an IMAP server at home that i pull mail into every minute. i'm wondering if there is some recipe for having mail delivered to this specific mailbox on the postfix server triggering a pull from my home server so that i don't have to poll it once per minute. |
| 12:47.23 | SerajewelKS | i thought about setting up an MTA at home and having postfix forward the mail on, but that's going to cause issues when my home connection goes down, as it tends to |
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| 12:50.49 | Walex2 | SerajewelKS: "triggering a pull on my home server" is exactly the same as "having postfix forward the mail on" as to "when my home connection goes down". |
| 12:51.26 | Walex2 | SerajewelKS: as "triggering a pull on my home server" obviously is equivalent to sending a message to your home server. |
| 12:51.28 | SerajewelKS | Walex2: not necessarily the same, but it would have a similar effect, yeah |
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| 12:52.00 | Walex2 | SerajewelKS: SMTP servers are designed to retry delivering to temporarily unaccessible destinations. |
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| 12:52.46 | Walex2 | SerajewelKS: the thing that cannot be temporarily offline is the DNS server with the relevant MX records, but that would not matter in your case. |
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| 12:53.30 | SerajewelKS | Walex2: well, assuming we are talking about just forwarding the mail on, i wouldn't be using MX records for that, but rather just a "for this mailbox forward to this mail server over here" |
| 12:54.02 | SerajewelKS | ex a transport map |
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| 12:54.45 | SerajewelKS | OTOH that means configuring an MTA at home to be able to accept the mail. hmm. cost-benefit analysis seems to indicate that polling is fine... ;) |
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| 12:58.38 | Walex2 | SerajewelKS: polling is fine... |
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| 13:02.54 | Joe7 | abrotman: where should I look? according to /var/log/mail.log spamass is doing its job but the mails r deffo not showing up -> gotta go somewhere ;> |
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| 13:03.55 | chipotle | how do i see what packages are installed that start with php5* via aptitude? |
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| 13:04.04 | abrotman | Joe7: mail logs have nothing ? |
| 13:04.25 | ksk | chipotle: dpkg -l | grep php5 |
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| 13:04.52 | ksk | (that does not actually mean "start with php" but "have php5 anywhere in string" - but will do the task) |
| 13:05.14 | ksk | you can add an "| grep ^ii" do only see packages that are installed right now |
| 13:05.38 | jelly | ksk: I think you meant | grep ^.i |
| 13:06.00 | ksk | jelly: why did i? thats regex foo? im not into it im afraid :D |
| 13:06.27 | jelly | the second i is "installed", the first one means something else |
| 13:06.29 | ksk | ah, it can be ".i" other then ii but still "installed"? |
| 13:06.33 | jelly | nod |
| 13:06.37 | chipotle | ksk thanks! |
| 13:06.38 | ksk | kk. thx :) |
| 13:06.44 | ksk | chipotle: see what jelly added ;) |
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| 13:10.28 | bitgeek | hello, I'd like to swap my DNS server to opennic, the instructions for Debian seem quite different to other OSs, can someone please confirm this looks legit? |
| 13:10.31 | bitgeek | http://www.opennicproject.org/configure-your-dns/how-to-configure-a-pppoe-internet-connection-on-a-debian-box/ |
| 13:10.37 | bitgeek | thanks |
| 13:11.11 | abrotman | Joe7: logs on max verbosity ? |
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| 13:13.12 | Joe7 | abrotman: have that with spamass or u mean exim? |
| 13:14.27 | CalimeroTeknik | bitgeek, it might be, for debian sometimes completely changes the configuration layout for some packages, for no reason — see apache2 |
| 13:15.32 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: the split config files in the apache packages are the best reason to use the debian packages. |
| 13:15.53 | Joe7 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/10900/ thats maillog nothing fancy in there |
| 13:16.16 | CalimeroTeknik | I'll stick with the original config scheme |
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| 13:17.24 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: I'd rather edit a 10 line file than find those 10 lines in a several-thousand line file any day. |
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| 13:18.34 | CalimeroTeknik | I have a file per group of vhosts… (also who has several *thousands* of lines in his config??) |
| 13:19.11 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: so you do have lots of separate files. Just like the Debian config. Win! |
| 13:19.28 | CalimeroTeknik | I have 3. and 30 vhosts |
| 13:19.36 | CalimeroTeknik | you'd have 32 |
| 13:19.52 | CalimeroTeknik | 3 files, 32 files, I guess you don't notice a difference |
| 13:20.00 | CalimeroTeknik | I do |
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| 13:20.47 | mechanicalduck | I am looking for a free shell account which is also allowed (not disallowed) to stream a mjpeg video from an ip camera (because the ip camera only supports 20 viewers, this is far too few) and in order to protect the originating ip address (which would be a router with port forwarding). |
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| 13:21.03 | CalimeroTeknik | actually the difference isn't there. it's that the files are included instead of just being "there" in a directory where everything is loaded |
| 13:21.08 | sarah83 | why am i unable to install debian?! |
| 13:21.10 | sarah83 | .clear |
| 13:21.12 | CalimeroTeknik | no need to argue on the number of files |
| 13:21.12 | Shadur | I'm pretty sure this isn't the right place to ask for that, mechanicalduck |
| 13:21.46 | Shadur | sarah83: You may need to be a little more specific. What are you trying to do, at which stage does the process fail, and in what way does it fail? |
| 13:21.52 | CalimeroTeknik | sarah83, you're for sure able to install debian, no worries |
| 13:22.04 | sarah83 | Shadur: when selecting mirror... none of them work! |
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| 13:22.18 | CalimeroTeknik | maybe your connection isn't properly set up? |
| 13:22.22 | themill | sarah83: do you have a working internet connection from that box? |
| 13:22.35 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: it is themill: yes! |
| 13:22.41 | CalimeroTeknik | try and ping debian.org |
| 13:22.42 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: or i think it is |
| 13:22.49 | CalimeroTeknik | in another terminal |
| 13:23.17 | CalimeroTeknik | getting replies? |
| 13:23.33 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: no access to right now, but why do i have to do this? |
| 13:23.45 | CalimeroTeknik | to check if your connection is set up or not |
| 13:23.53 | CalimeroTeknik | you have 6 terminals you know |
| 13:23.56 | sarah83 | computer --> ethernet cable --> wall... no router or wireless cards or anything |
| 13:24.08 | CalimeroTeknik | you need to check anyway |
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| 13:24.11 | CalimeroTeknik | maybe this one is occupied by the installer |
| 13:24.19 | CalimeroTeknik | so type Alt+F2 |
| 13:24.27 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: so if there is no response what do i do? |
| 13:24.38 | CalimeroTeknik | we'll investigate this point |
| 13:24.48 | CalimeroTeknik | otherwise that'll be another problem. |
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| 13:24.53 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: i dont have access to that computer right now |
| 13:25.02 | sarah83 | i am asking now because i wont be able to ask for help later |
| 13:25.20 | sarah83 | CalimeroTeknik: ill never get it installed... i know it :( |
| 13:25.36 | themill | sarah83: what sort of network setup is it? static ip? dhcp? |
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| 13:25.41 | CalimeroTeknik | ah. well then. if your network is what's most common, that is, an IPv4 internal network with a DHCP server on the gateway |
| 13:25.47 | CalimeroTeknik | run dhcpcd eth0 |
| 13:25.52 | sarah83 | themill: i dont know... i guess its the most basic setup there is |
| 13:25.53 | CalimeroTeknik | and you should be fine. |
| 13:26.07 | themill | sarah83: well you would have told the installer what it is... |
| 13:26.17 | CalimeroTeknik | or is that dhclient eth0 ? if dhcpcd is command not found, use dhclient |
| 13:26.19 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: you don't have tools like dhcpd (or ping even iirc) in the installer |
| 13:26.20 | CalimeroTeknik | it's equivalent. |
| 13:26.31 | CalimeroTeknik | okay, dhclient then |
| 13:26.48 | sarah83 | i bet its really easy for you guys |
| 13:26.49 | CalimeroTeknik | bah anyway the installer has the network setup dhcp option? |
| 13:27.30 | CalimeroTeknik | isn't. for me debian is needlessly complicated, and I say that; I made my own distro. |
| 13:27.38 | mechanicalduck | Shadur: why not? I was looking for a good debian shell account |
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| 13:29.09 | StefCT | does anybody run Debian from an external USB HDD and could tell me how to go about installing it? |
| 13:29.49 | StefCT | I'd rather not mess with my existing Windows partition |
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| 13:30.17 | StefCT | I've already googled this question, but the results were rather poor unfortunately (and seemingly outdated, most of them) |
| 13:30.40 | mumpitzel | you install it to the hdd but you will have to install the bootloader into your existing windows hdd's MBR. or you edit your Winodws bootloader |
| 13:31.12 | mumpitzel | linux doesn't care if it's installed on internal or external, but you need to load the kernel somehow |
| 13:31.17 | StefCT | isn't there a way of installing the bootloader into the external HD? |
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| 13:31.35 | CalimeroTeknik | you can, provided your bios can boot it |
| 13:31.49 | CalimeroTeknik | pre-2006 bioses won't, most probably |
| 13:32.12 | StefCT | I think the PC is from 2006 or 2007, I'm not even sure |
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| 13:32.25 | StefCT | but years ago, I run CentOS on it from an external HD |
| 13:32.27 | StefCT | so that should work |
| 13:32.32 | CalimeroTeknik | try and display the boot menu with an external hdd plugged |
| 13:32.39 | mumpitzel | sure you can but you will have to switch in bios everytime |
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| 13:33.05 | CalimeroTeknik | or display the boot menu, |
| 13:33.06 | StefCT | I'm currently doing that with Knoppix from USB, that doesn't seem to be a problem |
| 13:33.14 | CalimeroTeknik | ok, it's fine then |
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| 13:33.38 | StefCT | I cannot test anything right now, though, because I'm not at the PC where I would want to do this |
| 13:33.49 | CalimeroTeknik | be sure to include usb device support in your initial ramdisk |
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| 13:33.59 | CalimeroTeknik | otherwise it won't find the external hd |
| 13:34.04 | CalimeroTeknik | (at boot) |
| 13:34.24 | StefCT | yeah, I would like to make sure that the bootloader doesn't end up on the wrong HD accidentally |
| 13:34.36 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, that is another problem altogether |
| 13:35.12 | CalimeroTeknik | when doing it by hand with grub 0.97 I never fail, but with grub-install now… you have to give it the right params |
| 13:35.34 | CalimeroTeknik | oh but debian even has a wrapper for grub-install most probably |
| 13:35.51 | CalimeroTeknik | (there's always one more layers of debian-specific wrappers) |
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| 13:36.02 | CalimeroTeknik | that's apt-get reconfigure grub-pc or something |
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| 13:36.18 | StefCT | can I run grub-install from Knoppix? |
| 13:36.19 | CalimeroTeknik | well… that dialog will be displayed at install most surely |
| 13:36.31 | CalimeroTeknik | you should chroot. |
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| 13:36.40 | pithagorians | hi all. anybody had cases when the soft link doesn't point to it's location |
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| 13:36.42 | pithagorians | ? |
| 13:37.03 | CalimeroTeknik | it's possible from knoppix, but with debian, you never know what can happen if you install by hand; upgrades will overwrite the bootloader on the internal HD |
| 13:37.22 | StefCT | oh I see |
| 13:37.49 | mumpitzel | StefCT: you can run grub-install from any livecd yes |
| 13:37.50 | CalimeroTeknik | debian is like that, so, you have to use its own config wrapper layers to avoid such wreakage |
| 13:38.05 | CalimeroTeknik | pithagorians, you mean symbolic link? that's just a special file type that contains a path. |
| 13:38.23 | CalimeroTeknik | so if the destination doesn't exist, well, the link still says the same thing |
| 13:38.28 | StefCT | thus would it make sense to use Debian Live instead of Knoppix? |
| 13:38.46 | CalimeroTeknik | no, chroot into your debian install from whatever livecd |
| 13:38.56 | mumpitzel | neither debian live nor knoppix are really suitable as day to day distros. they are not made for it |
| 13:39.01 | CalimeroTeknik | and configure where grub is installed there |
| 13:39.23 | pithagorians | CalimeroTeknik: yes, i mean symbolic. and the destination exist and it works but ls -al doesn't show me the link pointing to it's destination |
| 13:39.23 | CalimeroTeknik | day to day? |
| 13:39.31 | pithagorians | i see it like a simple folder |
| 13:39.33 | StefCT | mumpitzel: no, I meant using Debian live for running grub-install |
| 13:39.39 | mumpitzel | StefCT: are you using UEFI? use GPT? |
| 13:39.48 | mumpitzel | StefCT: either works fine |
| 13:39.59 | CalimeroTeknik | pithagorians, if it's a link to a folder run ls -ld |
| 13:40.06 | CalimeroTeknik | on the link |
| 13:40.08 | mumpitzel | !tell StefCT about reinstall grub |
| 13:40.11 | CalimeroTeknik | is that better? |
| 13:40.38 | pithagorians | CalimeroTeknik: i get same |
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| 13:40.41 | CalimeroTeknik | what |
| 13:41.03 | StefCT | mumpitzel: thanks |
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| 13:41.15 | CalimeroTeknik | you should see link -> some/folder |
| 13:41.20 | CalimeroTeknik | ls -ld link |
| 13:41.42 | pithagorians | ls -ld imagesgesamt |
| 13:41.44 | pithagorians | drwxrwxrwx 288 www-data www-data 8192 Jun 17 15:27 imagesgesamt |
| 13:41.44 | pithagorians | nothing .. |
| 13:41.46 | CalimeroTeknik | this is a folder |
| 13:41.47 | CalimeroTeknik | a real one |
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| 13:41.56 | CalimeroTeknik | this is no link. |
| 13:41.58 | pithagorians | actually not |
| 13:42.11 | CalimeroTeknik | sorry, that is a folder |
| 13:42.16 | pithagorians | if a create a test file into it |
| 13:42.33 | pithagorians | i get the same file into nfs share on supposed location |
| 13:42.36 | CalimeroTeknik | then the other folder whre it appears is the symlink |
| 13:42.48 | CalimeroTeknik | it's what you thought, just, the other way around. |
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| 13:43.37 | CalimeroTeknik | or if it's an NFS mount, same thing, if you're serving that folder over NFS… |
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| 13:45.26 | StefCT | mumpitzel: on a rather slow netbook, I tried both knoppix (with personal image on HD) and fedora (full install), and knoppix turned out to be way faster (with similar features) |
| 13:45.33 | StefCT | both using LXDE desktop |
| 13:45.48 | StefCT | is there a way of making Debian similarly fast? |
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| 13:46.45 | V155 | I got a bunch of packages in my apt cache. How can I find out which of them are from a third-party repo? Is there some option in dpkg or elsewhere that displays the packager or origin of package. |
| 13:46.52 | CalimeroTeknik | if it's the 32bit version, probably recompiling the libc and kernel will help StefCT |
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| 13:47.18 | CalimeroTeknik | or try my live-cd ctkarch.org |
| 13:47.20 | petn-randall | V155: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 13:47.30 | CalimeroTeknik | if you want something fast |
| 13:47.32 | petn-randall | V155: That will list you all packages that are not in the main Debian repos. |
| 13:48.07 | StefCT | CalimeroTeknik: thanks |
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| 13:48.52 | V155 | petn-randall: they are not installed now. the repo is down and i did an upgrade and now my vie acceleration stops functioning. I want to find the packages that are from the third party repo do downgrade to these versions. |
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| 13:50.07 | petn-randall | V155: How did you upgrade with the repo down? |
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| 13:50.40 | V155 | i think that they have been replaced with packages from debian repo. |
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| 13:51.57 | petn-randall | V155: 'apt-cache policy $nameofpackage' will show you how the packages are pinned, and which version from which repo is installed. |
| 13:52.13 | moogleban | Hi. Is there anywhere I can get a backport of emacs 24.3 to wheezy? |
| 13:52.34 | moogleban | I know about the emacs-snapshot .deb packages, but I don't want a snapshot -- I'd like the stable released version. |
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| 13:53.02 | petn-randall | moogleban: So you want to downgrade? |
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| 13:53.44 | petn-randall | wonders if this is the first time in the history of this channel that people like to have *older* packages than in the repos .... |
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| 13:54.20 | moogleban | petn-randall: I don't want to downgrade, wheezy comes with emacs 23 |
| 13:54.24 | petn-randall | moogleban: Oh wait, my fault, 23.4 is in wheezy. |
| 13:54.43 | moogleban | petn-randall: I want to upgrade, but to something that's been released, not a development snapshot. |
| 13:54.59 | petn-randall | moogleban: Thought it was 45.0, then noticed it was the metapackage's version. |
| 13:55.07 | petn-randall | doesn't use emacs. |
| 13:55.09 | themill | emacs24 hasn't even made it to testing yet |
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| 13:55.24 | moogleban | Yeah it's in experimental, right? |
| 13:55.32 | themill | no |
| 13:55.47 | CalimeroTeknik | emacs 24.3 here |
| 13:55.51 | moogleban | Oh, right, that's "sid". |
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| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | moogleban: You can always do the backport yourself. |
| 13:56.48 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 13:56.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:57.12 | themill | you'll probably find that just about every single el-containing package gets broken by that |
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| 13:59.39 | Harzilein | petn-randall: i know the info _in_ that factoid, but what is !ssb be mean? |
| 13:59.49 | Harzilein | supposed to mean* |
| 14:00.07 | Harzilein | (just curious) |
| 14:00.23 | jhutchins_wk | Harzilein: Simple Sid Backport |
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| 14:00.50 | Harzilein | ah |
| 14:01.02 | Harzilein | is there a factoid for proposed-updates btw? |
| 14:01.04 | themill | !literal ssb |
| 14:01.08 | dpkg | "ssb" is "<reply> see simple sid backport" |
| 14:01.20 | Harzilein | themill: <3 |
| 14:01.23 | Harzilein | mthemill: thanks |
| 14:01.25 | Harzilein | -m |
| 14:01.34 | themill | Harzilein: sure -- ask dpkg |
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| 14:01.44 | moogleban | Ugh. Maybe I'll just stick with emacs23. The new package management system from 24 looks cool nice, but probably not worth breaking everything that includes elisp stuff. |
| 14:01.55 | Harzilein | dpkg: is there a factoid for proposed-updates? |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | Harzilein: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:02.22 | themill | Harzilein: how about just «/msg dpkg proposed-updates» the bot's smart but not so good with English |
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| 14:02.42 | Harzilein | themill: does that search in the values as well? |
| 14:02.43 | petn-randall | dpkg: Why can't you speak plain english yet? |
| 14:02.45 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, petn-randall |
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| 14:03.11 | Harzilein | themill: last time i looked at it, it _did_ have some regexps for "english" simulation |
| 14:03.26 | Harzilein | themill: i might remember that wrong though |
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| 14:04.26 | themill | it can do s/what is// at the start of a request and it might answer "$keyword is $value" if not instructed otherwise. But that's about it |
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| 14:15.41 | V155 | Is there a possibility to revert an 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 14:16.36 | V155 | with the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 14:17.05 | themill | in general, no. If you're lucky, yes. |
| 14:17.34 | V155 | so i have to do it by hand with dpkg and the information of apt-history logfile? |
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| 14:17.54 | Trae32566-NE | V155, you could automate it, but yes. |
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| 14:18.01 | V155 | wow. ok |
| 14:18.18 | V155 | will be a long evening today :D |
| 14:18.19 | themill | !downgrade |
| 14:18.19 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 14:18.46 | V155 | ok. thanks |
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| 14:20.48 | abrotman | Joe7: sorry, got called away for actual work :) |
| 14:20.54 | abrotman | Joe7: did you get it figured out? |
| 14:21.08 | Joe7 | nope, had to disable spamass again as incoming mails were lost :/ |
| 14:21.46 | abrotman | Joe7: ask #exim how to make it log verbosely .. (you also might want to block inbound 25 for 5 minutes instead of having messages go poof) |
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| 14:25.23 | sfxcc | i done my first app for linux and it runs on ubuntu .. i copy it to debian and it says cant find libcrypto.so.1.0.0 what i have to install ? |
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| 14:25.39 | Joe7 | abrotman: sounds like an idea, not sure how to block em though :D |
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| 14:26.03 | Joe7 | I mean..I still wanna test it obviously |
| 14:26.15 | petn-randall | sfxcc: You have to build it on your target platform. How did you make the app? |
| 14:27.34 | sfxcc | lazarus .. i compile it to linux it works on ubunto and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 is there but here on debian no , maybe this is a old distro but i need to use this one, there is any way to install lib 1.0.0 |
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| 14:28.55 | sfxcc | im a newbie on linux |
| 14:29.00 | CalimeroTeknik | sfxcc, you need to recompile under the distro you use |
| 14:29.06 | CalimeroTeknik | library versions differ |
| 14:29.23 | CalimeroTeknik | you shan't copy the binary as is |
| 14:29.33 | jack_thompson | debian/unstable: just tried grub 2.00 for the second time.. and again it was broken afterwards and didn't boot the kernel... |
| 14:29.43 | jack_thompson | has that problem been acknowledged yet? |
| 14:29.45 | sfxcc | ok if i compile it here on debian it should work ? |
| 14:29.55 | CalimeroTeknik | grub 2.00 works for me |
| 14:30.10 | CalimeroTeknik | that's what I'm saying indeed sfxcc, didn't you see? |
| 14:30.27 | jack_thompson | tjhen idk what i am doing wrong... i updated from the old unstable... and everything went smooth except grub 2.00 |
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| 14:30.45 | sfxcc | CalimeroTeknik: thanks |
| 14:31.11 | jack_thompson | i am using grub1.99 from stable now.. |
| 14:31.17 | CalimeroTeknik | er, I have one patch applied on it jack_thompson, that's 0069-Backport-gnulib-fixes-for-C11.-Fixes-Savannah-bug-37.patch |
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| 14:31.42 | moogleban | So, aptitude search '~i !~M !~E' should turn up all non-essential, non-automatically installed packages on the system, right? |
| 14:31.48 | themill | dpkg: tell sfxcc about apt-file |
| 14:32.19 | sfxcc | ok |
| 14:32.29 | moogleban | Yet when I run that I still get a bunch of stuff like rsyslog, udev, etc. |
| 14:32.36 | moogleban | Am I messing up that query? |
| 14:32.42 | CalimeroTeknik | irrelevant imo, he just needs to compile his binary for the right version of the libs |
| 14:33.06 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: the next question is "what package has ssl.h" |
| 14:33.07 | moogleban | (I'd like a list of all packages that I explicitly requested be installed *after* system installation) |
| 14:33.58 | CalimeroTeknik | is there a group for base packages? just exclude packages in this one |
| 14:33.59 | jack_thompson | that patch is from december.. :o |
| 14:34.18 | themill | moogleban: looks fine to me, but packages installed by the installer normally end up as manually installed. "aptitude search ~i~poptional ~i~pextra" |
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| 14:34.40 | themill | moogleban: (the installer grabs everything "standard" priority and higher) |
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| 14:34.55 | jack_thompson | well.. whatever... when someone has the same problem... someone may point him here: http://allurgroceries.com/rescuegrub2.html |
| 14:35.08 | themill | moogleban: but kernel and bootloader will be in that list still... |
| 14:35.17 | moogleban | themill: oh, serrt thanks. |
| 14:35.21 | moogleban | sweet rather |
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| 14:35.43 | sfxcc | themill: how do i use dpkg |
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| 14:35.50 | jack_thompson | CalimeroTeknik: that patch is from december.. |
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| 14:36.45 | alberto | I disable GDM with the command rcconf to use startx, but why can not I turn off the computer or mount any pendrive our devices with normal user without root? |
| 14:38.25 | moogleban | themill: thanks, that gives me way fewer packages |
| 14:38.27 | CalimeroTeknik | jack_thompson, I don't know, whatever, it wasn't applied or something? |
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| 14:38.41 | alberto | I disable GDM with the command rcconf to use startx, but why can not I turn off the computer or mount any pendrive our devices with normal user without root? |
| 14:38.55 | jack_thompson | maybe... idk.. whatever... for the record: debian/unstable: updating to grub 2.00 results for /me/ in a grub in rescue mode and an unuseable system... |
| 14:39.36 | petn-randall | sfxcc: query dpkg, then type 'help' |
| 14:39.38 | jack_thompson | i heard purists are still using lilo.. may want to look into that |
| 14:39.53 | CalimeroTeknik | lilo is like 30× slower than grub0.97 |
| 14:40.00 | petn-randall | sfxcc: That is, if you mean dpkg the bot, and not dpkg the commandline tool. |
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| 14:40.11 | CalimeroTeknik | grub2 is like 1.4 to 2× slower than grub0.97 |
| 14:40.13 | jack_thompson | grub tries to do too many things anyway... and fails loading a kernel.. |
| 14:40.22 | CalimeroTeknik | guess what I use |
| 14:40.24 | CalimeroTeknik | grub OS |
| 14:40.26 | jack_thompson | meh.. :) |
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| 14:40.36 | CalimeroTeknik | soon it will be able to run emacs |
| 14:40.38 | alberto | I disable GDM with the command rcconf to use startx, but why can not I turn off the computer or mount any pendrive our devices with normal user without root? |
| 14:40.42 | alberto | anyone? |
| 14:40.44 | petn-randall | CalimeroTeknik: You measured that scientifically? |
| 14:40.52 | sfxcc | i did but i dont understand .. i need libcrypto.so.1.0.0 is any chance to set it running on a debian that doesnt haveit it haves only 0.9.8 |
| 14:40.54 | jack_thompson | CalimeroTeknik: it is bad when the problems start before the kernel had even a chance to load.. |
| 14:40.55 | CalimeroTeknik | I did |
| 14:41.04 | moogleban | So if I want to automate configuration of my desktop, is there something decent in wheezy repos to do that? |
| 14:41.17 | CalimeroTeknik | well what they say… three kinds of lies: lies, wretched lies, and benchmarks |
| 14:41.19 | CalimeroTeknik | still |
| 14:41.21 | sfxcc | im a windosw guy started linux yesterday |
| 14:41.24 | sfxcc | lol |
| 14:41.26 | petn-randall | alberto: Those permissions are allowed when you're in certain groups, irrelevant of gdm. |
| 14:41.34 | moogleban | I've heard of puppet & chef but haven't tried either |
| 14:42.02 | petn-randall | sfxcc: It won't work that way, but you've already been told several times. You need to recompile on Debian. |
| 14:42.15 | CalimeroTeknik | sfxcc, welcome, and compile your sources instead of trading binaries between machines! |
| 14:42.19 | petn-randall | sfxcc: Do you have the source of the app? Did you write it yourself? |
| 14:42.27 | CalimeroTeknik | seems so |
| 14:42.41 | alberto | petn-randall: but do not know why this happens. |
| 14:42.54 | sfxcc | yes . but i need to instal lazarus again and its not my server so i cant do what i want |
| 14:43.06 | CalimeroTeknik | alberto, you need to run some consolekit session stuff. |
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| 14:43.35 | sfxcc | i thougth the diff between 0.9.8 and 1.0.0 was the function structure |
| 14:43.44 | CalimeroTeknik | try "dbus-launch startx" alberto |
| 14:44.00 | CalimeroTeknik | depending on how PAM is configured if that's still what uses debian it may work |
| 14:44.28 | CalimeroTeknik | sfxcc, just recompile, you'll be fine. |
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| 14:44.32 | sfxcc | any way im importing libcrypto.so i dont know why it require libcrypto.so.1.0.0 i dont undestand |
| 14:44.33 | alberto | dbus-launch startx with user, i used start only |
| 14:44.38 | sfxcc | ok |
| 14:44.40 | alberto | dbus-launch startx with user?, i used start only |
| 14:44.51 | CalimeroTeknik | you mean you ran "startx" |
| 14:45.09 | alberto | yes |
| 14:45.22 | CalimeroTeknik | try what I said. |
| 14:45.24 | sfxcc | how can i finde the debian version to download it and install on a virtual machine |
| 14:45.33 | alberto | ok |
| 14:46.07 | alberto | but in console, use dbus-launch startx with user? |
| 14:46.14 | CalimeroTeknik | sfxcc, go on debian.org, come on. and download the iso. |
| 14:46.47 | sfxcc | but i need to compile it to the version on the server ... so i need to find the debian version or ill be on same foot again |
| 14:46.48 | CalimeroTeknik | that's what I'm saying alberto, something's wrong? |
| 14:47.01 | CalimeroTeknik | or compile it on the server |
| 14:47.14 | alberto | ok, i go try |
| 14:47.16 | sfxcc | i cant install nothing on the server .. :(~ |
| 14:47.20 | sfxcc | its not mine |
| 14:47.36 | CalimeroTeknik | if gcc is present, you don't need to install anything. |
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| 14:48.15 | sfxcc | lol ... i program in delphi ... which is pascal base ... so i dont have the compiler |
| 14:48.24 | petn-randall | sfxcc: How are you going to install "your app" then? |
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| 14:48.44 | sfxcc | remote desktop copy it there and run it |
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| 14:50.20 | wcwrel | what is the best way to add a new git user |
| 14:50.36 | jack_thompson | CalimeroTeknik: recommending grub, dbus and even console-(process diarrhea)-kit-daemon... are you sure you're not a reputation management shill from microsoft? :D |
| 14:50.53 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, am not! |
| 14:50.58 | jack_thompson | okay! |
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| 14:51.26 | CalimeroTeknik | well, my apologies but the "can not shutdown and mount pen drives" calls for this crap called consolekit |
| 14:51.32 | alberto | I use dbus-launch startx but not work |
| 14:51.51 | petn-randall | wcwrel: Any user can use git. You just need to believe in yourself! |
| 14:52.06 | CalimeroTeknik | well, I don't know what debian version it is. you may have to run "ck-launch-session startx" then, alberto |
| 14:52.07 | wcwrel | i'm adding gitolite and i've heard it is best to create a new 'git' user |
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| 14:52.38 | petn-randall | wcwrel: I think the debian package already does that for you. |
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| 14:52.47 | wcwrel | what do you mean petemc |
| 14:52.50 | wcwrel | petn-randall, |
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| 14:53.04 | sfxcc | is it possible to instal libssl1.0.0 by repository .dont find it on the default one ? |
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| 14:53.38 | alberto | ck-lauch-session startx again |
| 14:53.45 | yinglei | Hello, I am trying to setup iptables - all I need for now is to be able to ssh into the server, and for the server to be able to do apt-get, is this config ok or am I doing something stupid: http://paste.debian.net/10918/ |
| 14:53.47 | petn-randall | sfxcc: NO. STILL NOT. And it won't change in 5 minutes. |
| 14:53.47 | alberto | not work |
| 14:54.14 | petn-randall | wcwrel: Install the gitolite package. It'll create a seperate user under which gitolite will run. |
| 14:54.30 | sfxcc | can you try at least explain me whay because im lost i dont undestand why not ? |
| 14:54.37 | wcwrel | seriously? i just added 'git' user should i delete it? |
| 14:54.58 | petn-randall | sfxcc: So you don't have to ask that question again in 5 minutes. You *still* have to recompile your package. If you don't have the source, you won't be able to recompile it. And you won't be able to install it on Debian. |
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| 14:57.44 | petn-randall | wcwrel: You can delete it, yes. |
| 14:58.28 | jelly | sfxcc: debian 7 has libssl1.0.0 if that helps |
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| 15:01.43 | sfxcc | i found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3153114/how-do-i-install-and-build-against-openssl-1-0-0-on-ubuntu should this work ? |
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| 15:02.22 | petn-randall | sfxcc: Do you have the source to "your app"? |
| 15:02.44 | sfxcc | i do but i cant compile it |
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| 15:03.02 | yinglei | sfxcc: why can't you compile it? |
| 15:03.09 | sfxcc | is ot my server |
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| 15:03.34 | yinglei | how did you compile in the first place then? |
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| 15:03.47 | sfxcc | on ubuntu i have on a vm |
| 15:03.53 | sfxcc | and it works fine |
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| 15:04.03 | yinglei | so why don't you get a debian vm? |
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| 15:04.06 | sfxcc | i cant touch server |
| 15:04.20 | petn-randall | sfxcc: Irrelevant, if you can neither compile it, nor install things on the target system, any further discussion is futile. |
| 15:04.24 | sfxcc | i need to find out the version |
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| 15:04.32 | yinglei | so the ubuntu is running on a vm running on a server which is not your own? |
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| 15:05.48 | sfxcc | no ubunto is my own .. the server is from an enterprise ... i compile it to i386 linux and i included libcrypto.so on my program and its asking me for libcrypto.so.1.0.0 whe i ruin it on the debian |
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| 15:06.14 | JustSighDudes | Hi. I'm looking to switch to debian. I see nginx is at version 1.2.1 which has a known vulnerability. How can I find out if that's been patched? |
| 15:06.24 | sfxcc | i look fo ssl1. on rep and i cant find it |
| 15:06.27 | themill | JustSighDudes: CVE number? |
| 15:06.47 | sfxcc | i cna install ssl1 if necessary |
| 15:06.56 | themill | sfxcc: you just told us you couldn't |
| 15:07.00 | jelly | JustSighDudes: look up the CVE number on http://security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 15:07.07 | petn-randall | puts sfxcc on his /ignore list |
| 15:07.19 | sfxcc | c mon |
| 15:08.19 | JustSighDudes | Bah. It's vulnerable. |
| 15:08.29 | JustSighDudes | I would've thought a package like nginx would be patched quickly. |
| 15:08.30 | jelly | JustSighDudes: oh noes! |
| 15:08.37 | sfxcc | i need this |
| 15:09.28 | JustSighDudes | What's sid? Is it the current version or the next one? |
| 15:09.39 | themill | JustSighDudes: which CVE number? |
| 15:09.48 | hoxu | how do I find out why a package was removed from debian? |
| 15:09.52 | jelly | JustSighDudes: you can track the related debian bug number to see when it gets fixed in stable |
| 15:09.56 | petn-randall | JustSighDudes: Sid is the kid from the playground that breaks all your toys. |
| 15:09.56 | themill | hoxu: packages.qa.debian.org |
| 15:09.57 | JustSighDudes | themill: CVE-2013-2070 |
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| 15:10.23 | yinglei | sfxcc: try asking in #ubuntu |
| 15:10.25 | wcwrel | How do i allow remote logins from 'git' user? |
| 15:10.25 | epsilon | sid is general name for ustable tree, it will never become stable |
| 15:10.35 | sfxcc | but tgis is debian serve |
| 15:10.42 | sfxcc | server |
| 15:11.16 | yinglei | sfxcc: in #ubuntu they might help you compile stuff on ubuntu that will run on debian |
| 15:11.23 | hoxu | themill, thanks, I had another look, and indeed there was a one-liner reason :) |
| 15:11.36 | sfxcc | ok thanks yinglei |
| 15:12.08 | jelly | sfxcc: there are decent technical reasons why you're discouraged of bringing in newer libssl and libcrypto binaries. It's usually much much better long term to build the software on the correct platform. |
| 15:12.35 | jelly | sfxcc: which debian release are you targeting? |
| 15:12.43 | sfxcc | do no im a newbie |
| 15:12.48 | sfxcc | how can i find it |
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| 15:13.09 | sfxcc | i have a console |
| 15:13.26 | jelly | sfxcc: "lsb_release -sc" command, if it's relatively fresh |
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| 15:13.58 | sfxcc | it says lenny |
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| 15:15.17 | jelly | sfxcc: that OS has been unsupported since 2012. Is there _any_ way to ask your customer to provide a debian 7 installation instead? |
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| 15:15.33 | wcwrel | how do i restart the ssh server? |
| 15:15.39 | wcwrel | i'm guessing i need to do that after modifying sshd_config |
| 15:16.13 | JustSighDudes | wcwrel: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
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| 15:16.21 | sfxcc | i dont know because is a enterrpise so maybe it have software running and it doesnt want to reconfigure a new one |
| 15:16.43 | ChrisH | sfxcc: which is 2 Releases behind current. lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy |
| 15:16.45 | wcwrel | /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 15:17.05 | sfxcc | how can i find it ? |
| 15:17.08 | JustSighDudes | wcwrel: Yes. But not in your IRC application. |
| 15:17.17 | wcwrel | i know it says no such file or directory |
| 15:17.24 | wcwrel | i was trying to paste the output |
| 15:18.19 | themill | wcwrel: "ssh" not "sshd" |
| 15:18.30 | jelly | sfxcc: ask them. |
| 15:18.35 | wcwrel | yep ssh worked |
| 15:18.37 | wcwrel | thanks |
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| 15:19.10 | sfxcc | version 5.0.10 |
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| 15:21.28 | jelly | yeah, that's lenny |
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| 15:27.53 | sfxcc | i have here libssl100 .deb how can i decompress it instead of installing it |
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| 15:28.41 | themill | sfxcc: man dpkg |
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| 15:28.45 | jelly | sfxcc: dpkg-deb will help |
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| 15:32.30 | sfxcc | when i run a executable it will search libraryes first on the current pathon on the lib |
| 15:34.05 | jelly | sfxcc: linux dynamic loader does NOT read or use the libraries in the current directory by default |
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| 15:34.32 | sfxcc | must be on the usr/Lib |
| 15:34.42 | jelly | sfxcc: since you seem to be intent on going that path, read man ld.so |
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| 15:36.07 | ^7heo | okay people, where are defined the default routes in debian? |
| 15:36.29 | ^7heo | like, if I want to redefine the route? |
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| 15:37.40 | jelly | sfxcc: then read about LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH on googles, eg. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
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| 15:38.39 | chipotle | i have a 15gb server, 10gb is used. i want to exclude a directory inside the dir i want to tarball, how do i do that? |
| 15:38.45 | chipotle | and can i tarball to another server, so i don't run out of space? |
| 15:39.25 | hoxu | chipotle, man tar, see exclude options, and yes you can pipe output from a command over SSH to another machine |
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| 15:40.03 | jelly | !ssh tar |
| 15:40.04 | dpkg | i heard ssh tar is what we use when we don't have rsync. cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' |
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| 15:40.16 | jelly | on a trusted network, |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | !nctar |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | well, nctar is Copying stuff on trusted network, on destination: "nc -l -p 49152 | tar xvf -", on source: "tar cf - <stuff to copy> | nc destination 49152", and see also <ssh tar> |
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| 15:41.42 | jelly | chipotle: if you want a tarball on the destination instead, replace the pipe to tar with a redirection to file |
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| 15:42.03 | jelly | cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && cat > important-archive.tar' |
| 15:42.31 | jelly | !uuoc jelly |
| 15:42.31 | dpkg | hands jelly the "useless use of cat" award |
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| 15:47.57 | sfxcc | jelly i have libssl1.0.0_1.0.1e-3_i386.deb if i install it on lenny version does it replace old ssl libs ? |
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| 15:51.57 | jelly | sfxcc: you can't install it without root access anyway, so the point is moot |
| 15:52.24 | sfxcc | i have root access i have evry thing... but cant install a development to there because people works there ... |
| 15:52.51 | sfxcc | i have the libssl1.0.0_1.0.1e-3_i386.deb can it be installed ? it will burb the server ? mess any thing |
| 15:53.15 | jelly | sfxcc: it might. Don't install binary packages from newer releases. |
| 15:53.28 | sfxcc | ok |
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| 15:53.36 | sfxcc | how i know is a newer release |
| 15:54.02 | sfxcc | where i can get lenny version 5.0.1 ? im looking on debian.org i cant find it |
| 15:54.58 | jelly | dpkg, tell sfxcc about install lenny |
| 15:55.12 | sfxcc | ok |
| 15:55.16 | sfxcc | dpkg |
| 15:55.19 | sfxcc | ??dpkg |
| 15:55.33 | sfxcc | dpkg on command line |
| 15:55.34 | dpkg | sfxcc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:55.36 | jelly | sfxcc: look for a private message from "dpkg" in a separate tab. |
| 15:55.45 | sfxcc | ok |
| 15:56.08 | sfxcc | jelly: thanks |
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| 15:58.12 | vadimkolchev | hi all |
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| 15:58.21 | sfxcc | jelly: ill install a vm and try it there if every thing ok i doit on the real server |
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| 15:58.43 | jelly | sfxcc: that's a good plan. |
| 15:58.45 | sfxcc | jelly:thank you for you help |
| 15:59.57 | jelly | you're welcome |
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| 16:07.05 | papamoose | Hopefully this is the right channel for this... I believe there is an error in the debian non free firmware tar.gz files found here: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.38.tar.gz |
| 16:07.06 | papamoose | Specifically, the bnx2 and bnx2x drivers are located one directory too deep for d-i to find them. If you untar the file above you will find that some of the firmware is located in bnx2/bnx2/somefirmware.fw instead of bnx2/somefirmware.fw. |
| 16:08.21 | jelly | papamoose: .tar.gz are basically free format. What's important is that binary .deb packages end up fine |
| 16:08.43 | jelly | papamoose: if d-i is looking specifically for .tar.gz, I'd say _that_ was the bug |
| 16:09.10 | jelly | papamoose: d-i has a channel over on irc.oftc.net, #debian-boot |
| 16:09.18 | papamoose | jelly: So theres no guarantees about how the tar.gz is made? |
| 16:09.53 | jelly | papamoose: absolutely none. It usually corresponds to upstream source tarballs. |
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| 16:10.53 | jelly | papamoose: apart from having everything in one subdir, I don't think anything else can be counted on |
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| 16:11.37 | papamoose | jelly: that is very unfortunate. thanks for your response. |
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| 16:24.08 | berarma | can i find any problem using the amd64 kernel in a 32bits Debian? |
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| 16:26.05 | MO_Handes | I installed some gnome shell themes using gnome-tweak-tool, now how can I remove them? |
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| 16:26.44 | berarma | MO_Handes: remove the theme directories inside ~/.themes |
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| 16:27.04 | MO_Handes | berarma, tnx |
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| 16:27.47 | jelly | berarma: not many. some apps may allocate a bit more virtual memory. virtualbox userspace does not work. Everything else has been fixed by now (nvidia and other drivers building for example) |
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| 16:28.31 | jelly | berarma: been using that setup for 2-3 years now on desktop, and a month or two on some servers |
| 16:28.48 | MO_Handes | does gnome3 work with compiz? |
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| 16:31.49 | LibertarianBroci | Oi! |
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| 16:32.38 | chipotle | how do i give www-data write permissions inside /var/www/* recursively? |
| 16:32.46 | chipotle | so all users that are in the www-data group can write to /var/www/* |
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| 16:33.57 | grothendieck | chown -R root:www-data /var/www |
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| 16:34.04 | grothendieck | see manual for chown and chgrp |
| 16:34.17 | chipotle | grothendieck that doesn't give write permissions, though? |
| 16:34.30 | grothendieck | then you will chmod to give write permission |
| 16:34.36 | chipotle | i thought i had to do chmod a+w -R /var/www but somehow i need to tell debian the group... |
| 16:34.40 | chipotle | that's what i don't get |
| 16:34.49 | grothendieck | no no no, not a+w that is very bad |
| 16:35.23 | grothendieck | you change owner group to www-data, then you set group-writable |
| 16:35.39 | grothendieck | world-writable is very dangerous |
| 16:36.01 | grothendieck | as a general rule, nothing should be world-writable |
| 16:36.07 | chipotle | so what is the group-writable option? |
| 16:36.30 | grothendieck | http://ss64.com/bash/chmod.html |
| 16:36.50 | grothendieck | chmod 775 |
| 16:36.57 | chipotle | what about the letter version? |
| 16:37.04 | grothendieck | g+w |
| 16:37.11 | chipotle | ok |
| 16:37.14 | grothendieck | but it is usually more clear to use octal |
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| 16:37.26 | grothendieck | the page I linked you to has a nice calculator ;) |
| 16:37.30 | chipotle | so, how do i specify the actual group in the chmod command? |
| 16:37.50 | grothendieck | you don't |
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| 16:38.11 | grothendieck | the owner/group perissions on the file is set by chown |
| 16:38.13 | ergonomic | to go from debian 7.0 to debian 7.1, which is correct? |
| 16:38.25 | chipotle | so just simply: chmod g+w -R /var/www/ |
| 16:38.27 | ergonomic | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:38.27 | ergonomic | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:38.28 | chipotle | it's already owned by www-data |
| 16:38.36 | chipotle | so all i have to do is chmod g+w -R now? |
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| 16:38.57 | grothendieck | chipotle: chown -R root:www-data /var/www ; chmod -R 775 /var/www |
| 16:39.02 | grothendieck | ah |
| 16:39.18 | grothendieck | yes then you just set the group-write permission |
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| 16:41.16 | chipotle | hmm |
| 16:41.21 | chipotle | this isn't group writeable, is it? -rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data |
| 16:41.57 | grothendieck | No, it is group readable and group executable |
| 16:41.59 | berarma | thanks jelly, virtualbox is important, I'm wondering whether installing completely 32bits or 64bits |
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| 16:42.14 | chipotle | grothendieck so what is going on? why isn't 775 not working? |
| 16:42.52 | grothendieck | what was the exact command you run? |
| 16:43.06 | chipotle | oops, i did 755 |
| 16:43.09 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 16:43.18 | chipotle | what about now, is this group writeable? drwxrwxr-x 2 www-data www-data |
| 16:43.25 | grothendieck | what do you think? |
| 16:43.33 | grothendieck | teach a man to fish yada yada |
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| 16:43.35 | chipotle | i am hoping |
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| 16:43.41 | chipotle | lemme check |
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| 16:44.05 | grothendieck | what is the one difference between the permissions now and the permission from the last time you asked the question? |
| 16:44.18 | chipotle | the w |
| 16:44.20 | chipotle | :) |
| 16:44.23 | grothendieck | yes |
| 16:44.29 | grothendieck | so it is group readable |
| 16:44.34 | grothendieck | er, writable |
| 16:44.44 | grothendieck | (also readable and executable) |
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| 16:45.05 | ergonomic | to go from debian 7.0 to debian 7.1, which is correct? |
| 16:45.08 | ergonomic | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:45.12 | ergonomic | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:45.26 | chipotle | thanks so much for the primer! :) |
| 16:45.29 | chipotle | file permissions really confuse me! |
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| 16:46.13 | ergonomic | chipotle: learn octal |
| 16:46.21 | ergonomic | and sticky bits |
| 16:46.27 | ^7heo | dauphin: sors de l'eau! |
| 16:46.36 | ergonomic | user | group | other |
| 16:46.36 | ergonomic | 0 |
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| 16:46.41 | ergonomic | 0-7 for each |
| 16:46.54 | ergonomic | 1 execute, 2 write, 4 read |
| 16:47.05 | ergonomic | mix the sum of any of those numbers you get your permissions |
| 16:47.19 | ergonomic | 5, read and execute but not write |
| 16:48.09 | grothendieck | ergonomic: pretty sure that 'apt-get upgrade' is all you need |
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| 16:49.11 | grothendieck | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata |
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| 16:56.03 | paxcoder | does anyone know what this is about: "fatal error: bits/predefs.h" (no such file)? |
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| 16:58.18 | ergonomic | paxcoder, locate predefs.h, if nothing comes up, apt-get update && apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search predefs.h | grep bits, apt-get install that package, then try again |
| 16:58.56 | paxcoder | ergonomic, i've got the header file |
| 16:59.09 | paxcoder | (in /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/predefs.h) |
| 17:00.59 | paxcoder | ergonomic, this suggest some gcc bug: http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchCrossToolchains but claims it's been fixed. Not really sure what's happening there. |
| 17:02.56 | berarma | since I've upgraded to a gigabyte 990xa-ud3 motherboard I get a ton of error messages in syslog and dmesg, see http://paste.debian.net/10951/, what's this and how could it be solved? |
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| 17:05.48 | _basic6 | Which process do I have to kill to close the "How do I close the "Oh no! Something went wrong" window? |
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| 17:06.02 | petn-randall | paxcoder: No idea what you're talking about without context. You're trying to compile something? What is it? |
| 17:06.46 | petn-randall | _basic6: Your X11 might allow you to kill a window by pressing ctrl+alt+esc and then clicking on the window. |
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| 17:08.42 | _basic6 | petn-randall: no it doesn't work (ctrl+alt+esc -> some sort of box/border appears at the bottom of the screen while i'm holding the keys, but a click won't do antthing) |
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| 17:09.59 | _basic6 | petn-randall: Oh Alt + F4 worked - now i have a working gnome session |
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| 17:11.23 | paxcoder | petn-randall, C-Dogs, it's a game. It uses cmake. I set the -m32 compiler flag, and got that. |
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| 17:19.02 | paxcoder | petn-randall, it simply pretends like there's no predefs.h |
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| 17:30.35 | paxcoder | petn-randall, thanks mate. i'll be sure to tell you next time as well |
| 17:30.46 | paxcoder | </sarcasm> |
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| 17:31.43 | ressdev | When I log in a specific system via ssh, I'm getting the wrong login shell. What could be causing this? |
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| 17:33.23 | peterrooney | ressdev: what shell are you getting, what shell are you expecting? If you're using keys, perhaps the target system is using the Force Command option. |
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| 17:33.36 | ressdev | I am using keys. |
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| 17:34.16 | ressdev | The login shell is defined in the ldap records, but it works fine in other machines. |
| 17:34.26 | ressdev | I'm getting dash, and I expect bash. |
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| 17:34.57 | peterrooney | though Force Command is unlikely to be forgotten if you're the admin of that system. |
| 17:35.05 | ressdev | what's that? |
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| 17:35.12 | ressdev | is that an ssh thing? |
| 17:35.21 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 17:36.16 | TheWarden | I'm trying to run the following command sudo mount -t cifs "//serverwin7-pc/servers-linux" -o rw,username="ServerWin7",password="passwordhere" "/mnt/backups" and I get an error message of "mount error(13): Permission denied". What would cause this, as this command is running as root so what more permissions would one need? |
| 17:36.17 | ressdev | all of the other machines using the same ldap server give me the right shell |
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| 17:36.44 | TheWarden | the share permissions maybe, mmm I'll double check |
| 17:37.56 | peterrooney | ressdev: one thing that happens during debian installs is (depending on your debconf priority) you choose wheter /bin/sh points to bash or dash |
| 17:38.16 | ressdev | it points to dash, as it should |
| 17:38.26 | peterrooney | Until now, I've not given that a thought in years |
| 17:38.27 | TheWarden | mm the share has read/write access for everyone. what the heck. |
| 17:38.29 | ressdev | it's debian wheezy, but the install is quite old |
| 17:38.46 | Bronze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.00 | peterrooney | ressdev: if ldap is asking for "/bin/sh", different debian systems can give radically different answers. |
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| 17:40.21 | ressdev | no, no |
| 17:40.21 | ressdev | loginShell is /bin/bash |
| 17:40.25 | ressdev | it's very weird |
| 17:42.58 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. I can also make the audio normal by switching the connector in my sound preferences. Can anyone help? |
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| 17:51.34 | DammitJim | what python package do you guys use with vi? |
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| 17:53.35 | DammitJim | I just installed vim-nox |
| 17:54.03 | puppet_ | DammitJim: i use a lot of different |
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| 17:54.14 | DammitJim | puppet_, what do you use? I'm just trying new stuff |
| 17:54.20 | puppet_ | DammitJim: syntastic/ is one |
| 17:54.27 | puppet_ | DammitJim: pep8 |
| 17:54.32 | DammitJim | and honestly not very familiar with vim + autocomplete and stuff |
| 17:54.36 | puppet_ | DammitJim: then i use one named markdown |
| 17:54.39 | DammitJim | puppet_, with vim? |
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| 17:55.09 | puppet_ | DammitJim: yes |
| 17:55.23 | DammitJim | is that as simple as apt-get install pep8? |
| 17:55.24 | puppet_ | DammitJim: and then of course pathogen |
| 17:55.47 | puppet_ | DammitJim: i used this one as base http://sontek.net/blog/detail/turning-vim-into-a-modern-python-ide |
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| 17:56.46 | DammitJim | puppet_, does one have to be running gVim for this or can one just use vim in a terminal? |
| 17:56.49 | DammitJim | this is all new to me |
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| 17:59.39 | puppet_ | DammitJim: also works in vim in terminal |
| 17:59.46 | puppet_ | DammitJim: i am using it in terminal and in MacVim |
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| 18:00.07 | puppet_ | DammitJim: good luck going to run from the office now |
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| 18:00.39 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 18:00.40 | moogleban | Is there a cli system monitor that shows memory usage in MB or gb instead of kb? |
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| 18:02.58 | socomm | moogleban: free -m |
| 18:03.13 | socomm | moogleban: sorry, free -h |
| 18:03.49 | moogleban | socomm: thanks |
| 18:03.58 | socomm | moogleban: also, I think 'htop' shows you memory usage in MB |
| 18:04.20 | socomm | moogleban: top may do the same |
| 18:04.43 | moogleban | I tried to get top to do it for a while, but couldn't figure that out :-( |
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| 18:05.11 | moogleban | socomm: htop show it in mb, thanks! |
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| 18:05.28 | socomm | moogleban: np |
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| 18:07.26 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:08.21 | Akuw | why when i copy a files from my external disk and see properties and see total size of file is a littel diferent in HDD and external HDD? |
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| 18:13.41 | sunbeam | anyone in here using debian on a chrome book as primary/only OS? |
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| 18:15.26 | superlinux-hp | hi, i cannot pause runlevel 2 becuase i have no scroll lock key on my HP pavilion dv6120se . how can I remap it? |
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| 18:17.42 | atrapado | superlinux-hp, ctrl-s/ctrl-q ? |
| 18:17.58 | superlinux-hp | atrapado, is that it?! |
| 18:18.29 | atrapado | ctrl+s is for locking and ctrl+q for unlocking |
| 18:18.38 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 18:18.41 | superlinux-hp | great! |
| 18:18.48 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: or get a usb keyboard |
| 18:18.52 | superlinux-hp | i was thinking of making a BOIS hack |
| 18:19.04 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, you know.. |
| 18:19.21 | jelly-home | always carries one |
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| 18:19.23 | superlinux-hp | not always you can do it |
| 18:19.35 | superlinux-hp | i mean get the keyboard |
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| 18:20.18 | superlinux-hp | and I just don't know what's wrong with that key omitted! |
| 18:20.40 | jelly-home | I have two of these ,http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lenovo_thinkpad_usb_trackpoint_keyboard-2.jpg?dur=1999 when I travel I usually put one in the backpack |
| 18:20.45 | jelly-home | erm, http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lenovo_thinkpad_usb_trackpoint_keyboard-2.jpg?dur=1999 |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | it has a scroll lock key! |
| 18:21.44 | jelly-home | because, really, fuck any other laptop keyboard layout |
| 18:21.56 | superlinux-hp | i have the classical keyboard at home |
| 18:22.07 | jelly-home | including the new thinkpad ones :-( |
| 18:22.15 | superlinux-hp | i can attach it anytime |
| 18:22.49 | superlinux-hp | but the way i sit not on a desk or so.. i am always in my bed |
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| 18:27.31 | wcwrel | how do I give permissions to user 'git' to directory /var/www/, i am getting permission denied |
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| 18:32.09 | ressdev | wcwrel what are the permissions of /var/www ? |
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| 18:37.53 | wcwrel | ressdev, drwxrwsr-x 4 jim www-data 4096 Jun 14 15:58 www |
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| 18:41.41 | pmo | dont know if this question belongs here, but do any of you know if ksplice is free for debian? |
| 18:42.17 | wcwrel | how do I use 'sudo' it says 'sudo] password for git: |
| 18:42.24 | wcwrel | i tried entering root password bu tit failed |
| 18:42.48 | ompaul | pmo: it's in main if that suits you (therefore it should meet DFSG) |
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| 18:43.26 | pmo | what do you mean ompaul ? :) |
| 18:43.28 | ompaul | wcwrel: if set up correctly you use your own password - your question is a bit vague to be honest |
| 18:43.37 | ompaul | pmo: what I said |
| 18:44.01 | ompaul | pmo: I lost my sense of humour - if you find it send back please. |
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| 18:45.11 | Sevet | wcwrel: sudo asks for -your- password, and only grants you access if you're a sudoer |
| 18:46.01 | Sevet | access is granted via the permissions in /etc/sudoers... by default a group named 'sudo' has permission to run any command as root if they enter their user password, but you'll need to add your user to that group first (usermod -a -G sudo yourusername) |
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| 18:48.08 | wcwrel | sevet: how do i make someone a sudoer |
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| 18:48.44 | ompaul | !sudo |
| 18:48.44 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 18:49.56 | wcwrel | how do I add user 'jim' to group 'sudo' ? |
| 18:50.21 | berarma | sevet already told you, you can also do addgroup username sudo |
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| 18:50.27 | ompaul | wcwrel: /msg dpkg the stuff in <> |
| 18:50.38 | ompaul | wcwrel: that's the channel bot and FAQ |
| 18:51.05 | wcwrel | isn't doing that dangerous? In ubuntu any user can sudo by entering root's password, how do I set it up like that/ |
| 18:52.17 | daemonkeeper | Err no. |
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| 18:52.24 | daemonkeeper | No provide your OWN password |
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| 18:52.30 | daemonkeeper | To sudo to root. |
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| 18:52.37 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise it's pointless. |
| 18:52.47 | pmo | ompaul, i can inform you its not free.. since i need a key |
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| 18:53.18 | ompaul | pmo: what key? |
| 18:53.31 | pmo | one you pay for from oracle |
| 18:53.55 | ompaul | file a bug |
| 18:54.05 | pmo | dont need to |
| 18:54.23 | pmo | they state on their website that its free for ubuntu and fedora |
| 18:54.24 | ompaul | free as in freedom not costless that is the definition of free |
| 18:54.32 | ompaul | so you're trolling |
| 18:54.42 | pmo | im not trolling |
| 18:54.46 | pmo | they want 10 usd per month |
| 18:55.05 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. I can also make the audio normal by switching the connector in my sound preferences. Can anyone help? |
| 18:56.06 | ompaul | pmo: you confusing free as in freedom with free as in costless? |
| 18:56.16 | pmo | i think you are |
| 18:56.48 | pmo | but i think its because you dont know what ksplice is |
| 18:57.01 | ompaul | pmo: man the four ksplice items they This is free software and documentation. You can redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 2. |
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| 18:57.26 | pmo | i still have to pay money for a subscription it seems |
| 18:57.46 | ompaul | oh woop de doop go look at red hat they'll take your money also |
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| 19:05.21 | pmo | i guess i need Kexec for debian |
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| 19:07.31 | jordanm | ompaul, the kslpice software itself is GPL, the update server it uses likely is not |
| 19:08.02 | jordanm | I believe Oracle did or is planning to drop support for debian and RHEL |
| 19:09.09 | drhouse123 | hi! how need proper debian/rules for building package because packages are empty, i guess due to dh_install |
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| 19:09.40 | pmo | oracle dropped debian it seems |
| 19:09.40 | drhouse123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.40 | pmo | but not redhat |
| 19:09.53 | pmo | debian is in lagacy, and thats not offered to new customors |
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| 19:10.26 | jordanm | !tell drhouse123 about nmg |
| 19:10.29 | petn-randall | paxcoder: Excuse me, is there a support contract I don't know of? I'm not online 24/7, so no need to be grumpy at me. |
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| 19:10.51 | pmo | and what do we do when such tricks are played on us? we clone it and add our own patches :P |
| 19:11.07 | petn-randall | paxcoder: You probably want to fix your Makefile to include /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ instead of /usr/include. |
| 19:11.22 | jordanm | pmo, or we suck it up and accept the 5-10minutes of downtime for a single system |
| 19:11.33 | jordanm | if it's mission-critical, you should have redundancy anyways |
| 19:11.34 | pmo | 5-10? O_o |
| 19:11.46 | petn-randall | paxcoder: I guess the game is a little older and didn't go with the arch split in the include headers. |
| 19:11.55 | ompaul | so it needs a bug report |
| 19:11.57 | pmo | i reboot once every 2 years atm |
| 19:11.57 | jordanm | some BIOS initializations are pretty slow... |
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| 19:12.50 | drhouse123 | jordanm: thx |
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| 19:13.04 | pmo | its not acceptle that we should reboot linux distro's till |
| 19:13.07 | pmo | we are in 2013 |
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| 19:13.24 | pmo | still* |
| 19:13.51 | petn-randall | pmo: go cloud! |
| 19:14.02 | benedikt | I'm having trouble installing the propriatary fglrx module. Installed per the wiki (not -legacy) and radeon was blacklisted. "lsmod" verifies that fglrx is loaded and radeon is not. I configured xorg.conf to use fglrx, but X can't start |
| 19:14.03 | ompaul | petn-randall: you're mad :) |
| 19:14.05 | pmo | petn-randall, tempted :) |
| 19:14.16 | socomm | Oracle offers its own Linux, I'd not be surprised if they dropped support for more linux distros. |
| 19:14.18 | ompaul | does not want to defend that supposition :) |
| 19:14.26 | jordanm | benedikt, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:14.41 | ompaul | fork it make it work go ahead you have the interest |
| 19:14.44 | ompaul | the tools |
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| 19:14.46 | benedikt | jordanm: working without X, typing out the important bits |
| 19:15.01 | pmo | ompaul, i have my own "internet" ;) |
| 19:15.15 | petn-randall | pmo: Only cloud computing will downsize your company while increase productivity and customer satisfactoin! |
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| 19:15.27 | petn-randall | *increasing |
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| 19:15.35 | pmo | petn-randall, i dont need it for a company :) |
| 19:15.35 | socomm | petn-randall: what does the 'cloud' provide that one can't? |
| 19:15.36 | benedikt | 'Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)' |
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| 19:15.41 | berarma | !tell benedikt -about pastebinit |
| 19:15.42 | ompaul | perhaps that's all a bit offtopic :) |
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| 19:15.51 | benedikt | berarma: neat |
| 19:16.09 | jordanm | benedikt, curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:16.19 | petn-randall | sucks at buzzword bingo. |
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| 19:16.30 | rozie | hi. I have a problem with icons (lxde, but looks like gtk issue) after today's upgrade. Debian unstable |
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| 19:16.44 | pmo | for now im on openvz, hence why i dont need to reboot at all |
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| 19:17.24 | jordanm | pmo, ah, so this is budget VPS webhosting? |
| 19:17.32 | pmo | no |
| 19:17.35 | benedikt | jordanm: sprunge.us/XWCV |
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| 19:17.50 | rozie | tried to regenerate icon cache with gtk-update-icon-cache -t -f /usr/share/icons/ |
| 19:17.53 | rozie | but no change |
| 19:17.57 | pmo | with openvz you can use ksplice on the host |
| 19:18.07 | jordanm | benedikt, you are missing the X driver, which is different from the kernel driver |
| 19:18.13 | pmo | with xen and kvm you do your own kernel |
| 19:18.21 | pmo | guess why i asked about ksplice? |
| 19:18.29 | jordanm | benedikt, install fglrx-glx |
| 19:18.34 | benedikt | jordanm: makes sense. how do i get it? |
| 19:19.06 | jordanm | pmo, I managed openvz systems at one time that use ksplice |
| 19:19.18 | pmo | in this case openvz is the "highend" since it doesnt need to reboot on kernel upgrades |
| 19:19.31 | rozie | what else can I check? |
| 19:19.39 | benedikt | jordanm: sprunge.us/hDcE |
| 19:19.55 | pmo | i do want kvm for this one server, and i have it and all |
| 19:20.09 | pmo | but rebooting is an issue |
| 19:20.12 | benedikt | doesn't this mean that the debian wiki gives broken instructions? |
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| 19:20.16 | jordanm | benedikt, that's after installing it? |
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| 19:20.25 | benedikt | and shouldnt fglrx-glx be in the fglrx-driver metapackage? |
| 19:20.28 | benedikt | jordanm: yep |
| 19:20.34 | benedikt | didn't reboot though, so no module were reloaded |
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| 19:21.18 | benedikt | s/were/was |
| 19:21.45 | socomm | openvz works with kvm/qemu backend? |
| 19:22.12 | jelly-home | socomm: nope |
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| 19:22.29 | jelly-home | socomm: openvz works with an openvz specific kernel |
| 19:22.32 | socomm | jelly-home: what virtualization back-end does it use. |
| 19:22.38 | socomm | maybe I should just do my own research |
| 19:22.45 | socomm | jelly-home: ah, I see |
| 19:23.23 | jelly-home | in addition, it's a shared kernel container solution. Think glorified chroots |
| 19:23.25 | benedikt | jordanm: giving reboot a shot, brb |
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| 19:23.49 | socomm | jelly-home: interesting, thx for the info |
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| 19:24.59 | pmo | yet openvz seems to be the best to run, unless you run ubuntu desktop in kvm hehe |
| 19:25.08 | pmo | based on rebooting |
| 19:25.24 | wcwrel | where is apache configuration file where i can turn on .htaccess? |
| 19:25.24 | pmo | sometimes it imprortant not to reboot much |
| 19:25.24 | benedikt | jordanm: no luck |
| 19:25.28 | pmo | realtime stuff |
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| 19:25.35 | pmo | its* |
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| 19:26.15 | rooster | I have several files in /var/lib/dpkg they cannot be removed. It's impossible to install packages because of it. |
| 19:26.26 | socomm | wcwrel: apache configuration files can be found under /etc/apache2/ |
| 19:26.38 | jordanm | ,versions xorg-server |
| 19:26.40 | judd | No package named 'xorg-server' was found in i386. |
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| 19:26.58 | socomm | rooster: cannot be removed? |
| 19:27.04 | Walex2 | rooster: thanks for letting us know... |
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| 19:27.33 | jordanm | ,versions xserver-xorg-xore |
| 19:27.34 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-xore' was found in i386. |
| 19:27.38 | jordanm | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:27.39 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-security: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2:1.12.4-6; sid: 2:1.12.4-6; wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6 |
| 19:27.47 | rooster | Walex2: you're welcome. |
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| 19:28.35 | benedikt | jordanm: bunch of packages related to xorg and kernel headers are outdated. lemme upgrade and see what happens |
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| 19:30.24 | rooster | socomm: i did fsck. |
| 19:30.34 | rooster | no errors were found |
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| 19:30.43 | petn-randall | rozie: Dunno if someone else already answered: Check out #debian-next on oftc.net, they might be able to tell you. This channel is mostly squeeze/wheezy. |
| 19:30.49 | rooster | socomm: ~ $ sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-sisusb.list{,_} |
| 19:30.50 | rooster | mv: cannot move `/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-sisusb.list' to `/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-sisusb.list_': |
| 19:30.50 | rooster | Operation not permitted |
| 19:30.52 | socomm | rooster: my question should've been 'why can you not remove them?' |
| 19:31.01 | benedikt | rooster: is the partition mounted read-only? please use a pastebin |
| 19:31.15 | petn-randall | rooster: Use http://paste.debian.net, the bot will kick you if you paste into the channel. |
| 19:31.16 | rooster | benedikt: it's r/w |
| 19:31.21 | rozie | petn-randall: thx :-) |
| 19:32.01 | rooster | petn-randall: i'm sorry. i tought 3 lines are not a big deal |
| 19:32.02 | socomm | rozie: can you 'touch' a file into the directory? |
| 19:32.19 | socomm | rooster: can you 'touch' a file into the directory? |
| 19:32.24 | rooster | socomm: yep |
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| 19:32.56 | socomm | rooster: can you lsattr on the file |
| 19:33.09 | socomm | rooster: also, are you using ubuntu? |
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| 19:34.01 | rooster | socomm: http://paste.debian.net/10979/ |
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| 19:35.17 | benedikt | jordanm: still here? |
| 19:35.37 | rooster | socomm: it's debian stable |
| 19:35.47 | alexbligh | rooster, A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted or renamed, |
| 19:36.01 | alexbligh | (from the manpage) |
| 19:36.10 | socomm | rooster: what alexbligh said, you gonna have to remove the immutable flag |
| 19:36.28 | socomm | rooster: if you wanna delete/rename the file |
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| 19:37.05 | alexbligh | rooster, chattr -i [filename] |
| 19:37.12 | alexbligh | though whether that is a good idea or not is another question. |
| 19:37.21 | benedikt | Still can't get X to use the propiatary fglrx driver. I've purged fglxr-driver and installed again, this is the error i'm getting: http://sprunge.us/OVKU . lsmod shows the absense of radeon and fglrx isloaded |
| 19:37.26 | benedikt | is loaded* |
| 19:37.34 | tdrusk | I have never installed Wheezy, but am going to tonight. I currently have opensuse 12.3 with a separate home partition. What do I have to do to make sure debian doesn't format that partition during the install? |
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| 19:37.37 | alexbligh | manually altering installed .list files sounds like a bad plan. |
| 19:37.49 | benedikt | tdrusk: pay attention during the install. take a backup to be sure. |
| 19:37.51 | socomm | tdrusk: dont use automated partitioning |
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| 19:38.08 | benedikt | and please take a backup |
| 19:38.15 | benedikt | murphys law and all that |
| 19:38.31 | socomm | tdrusk: you'll have to do manual partitioning. Creating a backup, if you haven't already, would als obe a good idea. |
| 19:38.35 | tdrusk | yeah all my data is in dropbox, but I would like to not have to redownload it all. |
| 19:38.51 | tdrusk | I'll do it! Thanks guys! |
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| 19:39.09 | benedikt | tdrusk: you should consider using something else. Google "NSA PRISM Leak Dropbox" |
| 19:39.20 | socomm | tdrusk: dropbox? If dropbox goes out you can always call up the NSA, they've a copy too. |
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| 19:39.21 | socomm | :^) |
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| 19:39.57 | socomm | tdrusk: j/k |
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| 19:40.31 | rooster | socomm: thanks a lot, feel ashamed that I forgot about attributes |
| 19:40.41 | benedikt | socomm: "Hello, is this the NSA? Great. You see, my computer crashed and my data is gone. Can you send me my Gmail and Dropbox data overnight? That would be great, thank you!" |
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| 19:40.55 | socomm | rooster: np, not something I use on a regular basis either |
| 19:41.19 | socomm | benedikt: lol, might as well, I pay enough in taxes |
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| 19:42.08 | socomm | NSA: We're your backup cloud. |
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| 19:42.10 | socomm | lol |
| 19:42.14 | benedikt | socomm: i'm not in or from the US, does that mean i would have to pay them for this service? :) |
| 19:42.28 | benedikt | anyhow, this fglrx problem is driving me up the wall. |
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| 19:45.03 | benedikt | wait. if i remove the fglrx line from the config, it starts X. This must mean that it defautled to radeon, but that isnt supposed to be possible since it isnt loaded. |
| 19:45.17 | benedikt | lsmod verfies, radeon isn't loaded. |
| 19:46.02 | benedikt | http://sprunge.us/jaQG |
| 19:46.09 | benedikt | XOrg log mentions Radeon |
| 19:46.11 | benedikt | What is going on? |
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| 19:57.35 | benedikt | anybody? |
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| 19:58.17 | ompaul | nobody |
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| 19:58.32 | ompaul | benedikt: if you have a debian question please feel free to ask |
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| 19:58.56 | benedikt | ompaul: the last few lines in the backlog for #debian |
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| 20:00.08 | ompaul | !fglrx |
| 20:00.08 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
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| 20:00.27 | ompaul | benedikt: I don't know anything about it - I use intel chipsets |
| 20:00.38 | benedikt | ompaul: yes. Followed that, it is broken. |
| 20:01.01 | benedikt | ompaul: i use what i get. beggars can't be choosers |
| 20:01.22 | ompaul | benedikt: fair point |
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| 20:01.53 | benedikt | and i'd rather not have to switch to ubuntu |
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| 20:02.32 | ompaul | benedikt: threats always work well :) |
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| 20:03.51 | benedikt | ompaul: no threat. its the final utilitarian solution. google doesn't show much for my problem so either ive run into a fairly new problem or i've done something to my system that put it in a strange state for these drivers. neither of which are situations i can get help with fixing |
| 20:04.51 | ompaul | benedikt: the fact is this, right now you know you have radeon working |
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| 20:05.02 | ompaul | benedikt: the page says how to move beyond that |
| 20:05.06 | benedikt | ompaul: but it isnt loaded, per lsmod |
| 20:05.06 | ispirto | do ext4 auto fsck on power loss? |
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| 20:05.19 | benedikt | ompaul: and now i am unsure. can a module be in use, and not shown by lsmod? |
| 20:05.24 | ompaul | if you said on line 8 I get X or Y |
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| 20:05.39 | benedikt | according to lsmod, fglrx (propriatary) is loaded. |
| 20:05.49 | ompaul | but your xorg knows nothing of it |
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| 20:06.10 | benedikt | nothing of radeon or fglrx? |
| 20:06.31 | benedikt | if i remove any mention of fglrx from xorg.conf, it defaults to radeon. which shouldnt work (if i'm right) since it isn't loaded |
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| 20:07.16 | ompaul | so you borken - how about removing the modules for fglrx and the xorg and starting again |
| 20:07.30 | benedikt | already tried it |
| 20:07.33 | benedikt | no change |
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| 20:07.53 | ompaul | well I've no box to compare and contrast with you, I have four boxes here all intel :) |
| 20:07.56 | benedikt | and i'd rather not mess with backports. |
| 20:07.56 | tdrusk | socomm: I don't keep anything critical in dropbox, just boring documents and pictures. Nothing is safe. << >> |
| 20:07.56 | Ergo^ | whats a proper way to update root certificates in debian? |
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| 20:08.49 | benedikt | ompaul: can you get an intel chipset for a desktop machine? only seen them in laptops (where they work extremely well with linux. i downgraded my laptop to get rid of a nvidia chipset in favour of intel.) |
| 20:09.01 | ompaul | benedikt: I have them |
| 20:09.12 | ompaul | three of the boxs here two are old and one is newer |
| 20:09.20 | ompaul | 1 laptop |
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| 20:10.14 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.00 | benedikt | nice |
| 20:12.26 | ompaul | that;s the motherboard H61M-DS2 DVI |
| 20:12.36 | ressdev | wcwrel sorry, I was afk |
| 20:12.46 | ompaul | not a great board but it's ok |
| 20:12.47 | ressdev | wcwrel just add git to the www-data group: adduser git www-data |
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| 20:14.19 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. I can also make the audio normal by switching the connector in my sound preferences. Can anyone help? |
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| 20:15.31 | mp19uy | I have a lenovo y580 laptop, I want to give a try to debian, where should I start? |
| 20:15.55 | ompaul | mp19uy: I assume it has an ethernet port? |
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| 20:16.22 | mp19uy | yes, ethernet and wifi |
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| 20:17.18 | ompaul | mp19uy: ethernet is more useful for installs - you can do wireless but it can be a pain. 1) go to debian.org check mirrors near you get the netinstall cd and put it on a USB key |
| 20:17.28 | ompaul | mp19uy: do you intend to dual boot it? |
| 20:18.00 | mp19uy | yes, in fact right now I have dual boot ubuntu-windows 8 |
| 20:18.22 | ompaul | windows 8 no idea how to do that - I use a machine with only debian on it |
| 20:18.41 | ompaul | so I assume you have some free space get ubuntu to manage grub for you perhaps in that space |
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| 20:19.14 | Ergo^ | hello, my python program fails with: SSLHandshakeError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:503: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed |
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| 20:19.28 | Ergo^ | someone suggested to me that my certificate information on server is outdated |
| 20:19.29 | mp19uy | yes, I am using grub to boot either from windows partition or ubuntu partition |
| 20:19.41 | Ergo^ | any ideas how to refresh my CRL's ? |
| 20:20.31 | ompaul | mp19uy: do you have eufi enabled? |
| 20:21.05 | mp19uy | No I dont think I have it enable because I would not be able to boot ubuntu |
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| 20:21.55 | mp19uy | I mean, I have checked before the BIOS configuration, I can not remember right now if it was enabled or no. But I think it not. Anyways when I restart I will check again just in case |
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| 20:22.05 | ompaul | mp19uy: then just install debian on a spare partition if you have a partition already set for swap perhaps debian will cop it |
| 20:23.20 | ompaul | mp19uy: get the netinstall cd do a wired install and enjoy it {... in a couple of weeks you'll rm ubuntu and windows and fly solo the best way the debian way ;-) [some kind of fantasy ends here]} |
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| 20:24.21 | mp19uy | ompaul, should I know anything in particular before attempting to install debian from the netinstall? Like something to configure, I am asking because I know debian is not as ¨automatic¨ as ubuntu or other distros |
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| 20:24.55 | ompaul | mp19uy: as long as you know where you are installing and take your time answering the questions you'll be ok |
| 20:25.05 | ompaul | mp19uy: which desktop dop you want to use? |
| 20:25.09 | Cueball | Is it possible to upgrade all packages to 64 bit or would I have to do a fresh install? |
| 20:25.20 | mp19uy | dop? |
| 20:25.43 | zykotick9 | ahhh s/dop/do/ |
| 20:25.50 | ompaul | mp19uy: do |
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| 20:27.00 | mp19uy | you are talking about kde/gnome/etc? I want to use gnome |
| 20:27.13 | ompaul | mp19uy: thats the default install |
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| 20:29.07 | mp19uy | ok, so the installation it is just answering properly the questions, no need to know certain commands or things like that? |
| 20:29.35 | ompaul | keep a link open to here if yiou can |
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| 20:30.22 | mp19uy | ok I will connect from another computer to here |
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| 21:02.48 | mmnicolas | mp19uy: if it scares you that much you can give it a shot in a vm if you have virtualbox installed on whatever is your current platform |
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| 21:04.26 | mmnicolas | as long as you don't choose "Expert install" it'll only ask you "normal" things, the trickiest part is usually partitionning your disk if you intend to dual boot, and it's not hard its just easy to mess up |
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| 21:06.43 | mp19uy | mnicolas, no, I am not scared but I am starting to hate how unstable can be a linux distribution sometimes, I spent great part of the day just setting things on ubuntu because some features of my computer are not compatible. |
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| 21:08.31 | mp19uy | I am about to format the partition I will use to install debian, what should I choose, ext4 or sth else? |
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| 21:09.28 | Kezako | mp19uy: use ext4 |
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| 21:12.34 | Kezako | e2fsck /dev/sda6 => give me this message: /dev/sda6 is in use., but it was umount befor. how can I fix it ? |
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| 21:13.20 | berarma | Kezako: the umount obviously failed probably with the same reason |
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| 21:15.03 | berarma | if you wanted to free the device then no |
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| 21:18.13 | Kezako | berarma: have you any idea to fix it? I can't reboot the server. |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins_wk | Kezako: does plain old mount show it as still mounted? |
| 21:19.18 | fetoega | Hi my lovelies. Do any of you know how to use the rtsp stream of twitch.tv used in the iphone, chrome and ffmobile to watch the stream on a debian PC? |
| 21:19.24 | jhutchins_wk | Kezako: Are you running a GUI on the server? |
| 21:19.30 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: mount and /etc/mtab show nothing |
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| 21:19.48 | jhutchins_wk | fetoega: There's probably a way to do it with mplayer. |
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| 21:20.05 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: I kill all pid that use the partition |
| 21:20.21 | jhutchins_wk | Kezako: Did you verify they were gone? |
| 21:20.21 | fetoega | i know cvlc can do it, but i just cant find the url. |
| 21:20.39 | fetoega | and the games are almost starting |
| 21:20.43 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 21:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | fetoega: THat's not a problem we can solve for you. |
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| 21:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | Kezako: You could try umount -f /dev/sda6 |
| 21:21.46 | fetoega | i know.... but some people have an android or iphone and could check the url for me. I only have a Doro non-smartphone |
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| 21:22.26 | Naphatul | who's running stable? how up to date are packages? |
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| 21:22.34 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: umount: /dev/sda6: not mounted |
| 21:22.52 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: sda6 was mount on /home |
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| 21:22.59 | DS-labs | Heyo |
| 21:23.28 | berarma | Naphatul: http://debian.org/Packages |
| 21:23.37 | floogy | I can't figure out, why wol isn't working. How can I see if the nic is enabled for wol? |
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| 21:25.14 | bezaban | floogy: did you enable it in bios? |
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| 21:25.23 | bezaban | os should'nt mind about that |
| 21:25.28 | floogy | yes |
| 21:26.05 | floogy | cat /proc/acpi/wakeup gives GLAN S4*enabled pci:0000:00:19.0 |
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| 21:27.10 | floogy | lspci |grep '00:19.0' |
| 21:27.10 | floogy | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) |
| 21:27.34 | floogy | sudo ethtool eth0 |grep Wake |
| 21:27.34 | floogy | Supports Wake-on: pumbg |
| 21:27.34 | floogy | Wake-on: g |
| 21:27.36 | TheGrey | o/ I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to 3.9 from the sid debian repos. From dpkg it gets this issue: http://pastebin.com/nFjsPq2J |
| 21:27.47 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: it is funny: mount -o ro /dev/sda6 /home/ => mount: /dev/sda6 already mounted or /home/ busy |
| 21:28.23 | Kezako | jhutchins_wk: umount -f /home/ => umount: /home/: not mounted |
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| 21:30.45 | berarma | Kezako: that's what a lazy umount is supposed to do |
| 21:30.49 | Kezako | I don't know how unset EXT3_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_RECOVER flags ... |
| 21:30.58 | mp19uy | I am installing debian and I have a doubt, I have selected a partition to be formated as ext4 and mount point / |
| 21:31.10 | mp19uy | also selected another for swap use |
| 21:31.33 | mp19uy | Do I need to set any other parameter at this step? |
| 21:31.34 | Kezako | berarma: I know, it was not a good idea :( |
| 21:32.21 | mp19uy | like Configure software RAID/the Logical Volume Manager/encrypted volumes, I need to touch something there? |
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| 21:32.41 | berarma | mp19uy: not if you don't want to |
| 21:32.42 | bezaban | mp19uy: no need no |
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| 21:33.12 | mp19uy | Where do I configure the ¨dual boot¨? |
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| 21:33.27 | mp19uy | I mean, debian uses something like grub? |
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| 21:33.37 | Naphatul | how new are the testing packages compared to a LTS ubuntu? |
| 21:34.08 | Naphatul | yes i tried looking at the site but comparing versions of a ton of packages to a timeline will take forever, a rough estimate is fine |
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| 21:34.23 | bezaban | Naphatul: worse if you want cutting edge most likely |
| 21:34.31 | bezaban | mp19uy: yes, that is configured with grub |
| 21:34.41 | census | hi moof2! |
| 21:35.15 | census | hi mnuhmnuh! |
| 21:35.18 | Naphatul | i don't want cutting edge but i don't want to be years off either |
| 21:36.05 | Sevet | !tell mp19uy about grub config |
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| 21:37.03 | bezaban | Naphatul: it's hard to say what versions will be in jessie since it just recently was started |
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| 21:37.44 | bezaban | working towards a stable in about 2 years from nwo |
| 21:38.02 | Naphatul | how far behind were the previous testing packages? |
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| 21:38.14 | bezaban | they are what are in wheezy now |
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| 21:38.49 | bezaban | you'll see differences, but most I hear is people complaining about 'old' packages |
| 21:39.03 | Sevet | Naphatul: that'll depend on the package |
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| 21:40.58 | Naphatul | so how far would samba python and gnome terminal be? |
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| 21:41.12 | Sevet | ,v samba |
| 21:41.13 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6; wheezy-backports: 2:3.6.15-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:3.6.15-1; sid: 2:3.6.15-1 |
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| 21:41.58 | sideup66 | does anyone know how to get to the gnome chat for debian |
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| 21:42.07 | sideup66 | I am having problems with gnome 3 on my debian box |
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| 21:42.31 | sideup66 | in short, i cant open the dialog to change screens nor the gnome system settings panel |
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| 21:42.37 | sideup66 | and no i dont mean gnome tweak |
| 21:45.38 | TheGrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.51 | somiaj | TheGrey: what version of debian do you run? |
| 21:45.53 | Tramp | dpkg, tell sideup66 -about gnome |
| 21:46.13 | TheGrey | wheezy somiaj |
| 21:46.26 | sideup66 | running weezy here too |
| 21:46.38 | somiaj | TheGrey: you do not want to do that. Installing binary sid packages can and will break wheezy as you see. |
| 21:46.47 | sideup66 | tramp: dpkg isnt doesnt do that |
| 21:46.52 | somiaj | TheGrey: you will have to either 1) wait until a newer kernel is put into backports, or 2) compile your own kernel. |
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| 21:47.20 | Tramp | sideup66: he told me he did - however, just "/msg dpkg gnome" then |
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| 21:47.46 | sideup66 | hmm i hear a blip but get nothing |
| 21:47.50 | somiaj | sideup66: dpkg is a factoid bot here to make it so we can just point you to standard answers. |
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| 21:47.59 | sideup66 | i understand |
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| 21:48.03 | somiaj | sideup66: check your other windows/tabs/fooalicious for what ever client you use |
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| 21:48.18 | sideup66 | im just using a web...wait nevermind, found it xD |
| 21:48.20 | somiaj | TheGrey: it appears there are no kernels in wheezy-backports right now, but kernels are fairly common to be backported. |
| 21:48.34 | TheGrey | somiaj: right. Thanks. you see i compiled the 3.95 kernel and installed it and it didn't detect my raid: it gave mdam issues: specifically "mdam: No devices listed in conf file were found Gave up waiting for root devices" |
| 21:48.41 | sideup66 | found it |
| 21:48.41 | sideup66 | sorry |
| 21:48.45 | sideup66 | noob mistake |
| 21:48.49 | Tramp | np |
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| 21:49.10 | somiaj | TheGrey: you can grab the .config file for debian kernels in /boot/config-version if you want to use that config file as a starting point (or just use it) |
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| 21:49.27 | somiaj | TheGrey: any reason why the 3.2 kernel does not work for you? |
| 21:49.34 | sideup66 | this is strange |
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| 21:50.38 | TheGrey | somiaj: I have a wifi card: atheros that should work perfectly; but reguarly drops connections, randomly inserts r8168 into my kernel when I use it exclusively via wifi. I think a new kernel may fix these issues I hope. |
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| 21:51.24 | somiaj | TheGrey: I would veryify that the new kernel contains fixes for that. Do you need to black list the r8168 module? |
| 21:52.32 | TheGrey | somiaj: i've blacklisted it & it does nothing. Even when I rmmod it the wifi still doesn't work. It's so tempormental. I've turned off power management on it, I use wicd, this kernel upgrade seems like the last restort! |
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| 21:54.00 | Naphatul | whats in the "Standard system utilities" package during netinstall? |
| 21:54.18 | somiaj | TheGrey: again I would read up on that card. If you do not see any metion from others of a newer kernel the shot in the dark may not be worth the effert |
| 21:54.27 | somiaj | Naphatul: I belive any package with priority standard or higher |
| 21:54.44 | somiaj | !tell Naphatul about standard |
| 21:54.47 | TheGrey | somiaj: thanks I appreciate the sage advise. I'll do some research then. |
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| 21:55.51 | somiaj | TheGrey: but yea you either have to compile your own kernel or just wait until one makes it into backports. The second I am sure will happen, but no sure what kernel they will deem worthy to backport |
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| 21:59.48 | TheGrey | somiaj: fair enough. I might try that pick of the config to try the job. Otherwise i'll wait for a backport or indeed double check fixes for the card itself. |
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| 22:00.28 | somiaj | TheGrey: another thing is see if you can compile the module from the actual card manfuacture. That should compile against the wheezy 3.2 kernel (hopefully) |
| 22:01.18 | TheGrey | somiaj: would that have the same effect as a module upgrade? |
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| 22:02.18 | somiaj | TheGrey: in many cases (again I do not know your card) the module and firmware do come from the card manufacture. But depending on the card the fixes for issues like you have may or may not be made by upstream and by the linux kernel team. |
| 22:03.50 | TheGrey | somiaj: it's this: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
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| 22:05.03 | JasonWoof | is there some way I can get gtk file open dialogboxes that are keyboard friendly? |
| 22:05.33 | JasonWoof | I want to hit ctrl-O and then type a path |
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| 22:06.31 | somiaj | JasonWoof: something like gtkrun? |
| 22:06.55 | JasonWoof | I'm talking about gtk file open dialog boxes, like when you press ctrl-0 in gimp |
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| 22:07.19 | somiaj | oh, sorry, was thinking you wanted a run box...yea not sure then |
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| 22:12.39 | sh_t | hey folks. I'm trying to create a package with checkinstall that I can use on a few identical debian servers. I've added a few extra lines into my Makefile/install area to create some directories in addition to some similar commands already there (mkdir -p). When I checkinstall on the server that I'm creating the package on (in the source tree) everything in my Makefile is done correctly. When |
| 22:12.39 | sh_t | I copy the package to another server, only some of these commands are actually ran. I've tried --fstrans=no to no avail. any ideas what might cause this? |
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| 22:16.26 | sh_t | it's odd because some of the commands which I've added to copy files are working, others to mkdir are not. It's just a package for nginx.. I want to create an /etc/nginx/sites-enabled folder for instance. The makefile is able to copy some custom files into /etc/nginx for me, but can't create that folder, nor /var/log/nginx |
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| 22:17.30 | sideup66 | ok surprisingly ditching nvidia drivers for nouveau helped |
| 22:17.55 | sideup66 | now my question is how to make nouveau set a resolution systemwide, dont ask me why but it insists that everything be ant sized on the display |
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| 22:19.16 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. I can also make the audio normal by switching the connector in my sound preferences. Can anyone help? |
| 22:19.18 | nsax | on installing a software i get "Package perlapi-5.10.1 is not installed" but the package does not exist in the archive. what can i do? |
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| 22:23.16 | peterrooney | nsax: tell us what software you were installing, how, and when the message appeared during the installation process. |
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| 22:23.48 | nsax | i fetched megahal from the oldstable archive because its missing in the current stable release |
| 22:24.00 | nsax | i did the "apt-get -f install" magic already |
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| 22:24.17 | nsax | and now it complains about a missing package called "perlapi" which does not exist in no archive |
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| 22:29.24 | peterrooney | nsax: I would look at the chain of Depends of megahal next. if you've got an oldstable VM about, apt-cache show megahal might reveal the version (and proper name) of the missing perl package. |
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| 22:31.07 | nsax | mhmm, ok |
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| 22:32.31 | peterrooney | Or, look at packages.debian.org |
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| 22:34.27 | nsax | i did |
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| 22:34.40 | nsax | thats why i am saying nothing with "perlapi" exists |
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| 22:38.23 | n3lthon | hi, how can i install LORCON on debian, im compilling openwrt on debian wheezy host |
| 22:40.19 | nkuttler | nsax: fwiw, i just installed megahal on oldstable.. it lists "perlapi-5.10.1" as dependency but that's neither installed nor available.. |
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| 22:41.11 | nkuttler | nsax: 'perlapi-5.10.1' as it purely virtual |
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| 22:41.41 | nkuttler | !tell nsax about virtual package |
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| 22:49.10 | nsax | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 22:56.43 | tharkun | echo -n 'abrotman is a creep'|openssl dgst -md5 on squeeze outputs c1b483145565838f460caab242d56217 on wheezy outputs (stdin)= c1b483145565838f460caab242d56217 How can I make both versions of openssl behave the same? |
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| 22:57.55 | daemonkeeper | | cut -d= -f2 |
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| 22:58.46 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: I get a leading space that is not cut out. |
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| 23:07.47 | Tramp | read -r _ dgst < <(echo -n 'foobar'|openssl dgst -md5); printf '>%s<\n' "$dgst" |
| 23:07.47 | Tramp | >3858f62230ac3c915f300c664312c63f< |
| 23:07.59 | Tramp | tharkun: ^^ |
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| 23:12.15 | daemonkeeper | Oh, is this the 1st Internation Obfuscating Use of OpenSSL Contest? |
| 23:12.18 | daemonkeeper | My contribution: |
| 23:12.19 | daemonkeeper | echo -n 'abrotman is a creep'|perl -MDigest::MD5 -e 'print(Digest::MD5::md5_hex(<>)."\n");' |
| 23:12.30 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 23:12.44 | sideup66 | i have a question |
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| 23:14.25 | sideup66 | I had recently reloaded the nvidia drivers in my system due to problems with the gnome environment refusing to run some panels on them |
| 23:14.30 | sideup66 | and now my desktop doesnt load period |
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| 23:16.45 | ParadoxG | is testing workable enough to use as a development machine yet? I mean, is it "reasonably stable"? |
| 23:16.59 | sideup66 | does anyone know how to get gnome to work properly, I have removed nouveau because it had the bright idea of making my screen microscopic |
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| 23:22.47 | berarma | ParadoxG: I don't know, I'm not using it, but it seems it hasn't changed a lot yet and it may start breaking anytime soon if not already |
| 23:23.09 | nkuttler | ParadoxG: if you have to ask, no |
| 23:23.52 | berarma | sideup66: gnome should work properly ootb |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | sideup66: how did you install them ? |
| 23:24.14 | sideup66 | abrotman: I installed it using apt-get install gnome-core |
| 23:24.20 | sideup66 | and it loaded up gdm and some other packages |
| 23:24.56 | ParadoxG | okay, thanks |
| 23:24.57 | Arrowmaster` | you should do it with aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
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| 23:26.14 | sideup66 | but no launch |
| 23:26.33 | berarma | sideup66: which debian version? |
| 23:26.42 | sideup66 | 7.0 |
| 23:27.03 | sideup66 | berarma: it and my nvidia drivers just are not getting along |
| 23:27.04 | berarma | I understand your problem is with your video card, which one? |
| 23:28.44 | berarma | which card? have you installed the nvidia drivers from Debian? |
| 23:28.47 | mp19uy | I have just installed debian but now I can boot from it |
| 23:28.55 | mp19uy | I get the grub rescue prompt |
| 23:29.32 | mp19uy | Im doing a dual-boot setup, I was told to install os-prober package and then update-grub |
| 23:29.56 | mp19uy | but how can I do this if I can get into debian? |
| 23:30.21 | sideup66 | nvidia geforce somthing or other |
| 23:30.29 | sideup66 | I know the reccomended driver is the 96.xx one |
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| 23:30.58 | berarma | mp19uy: using a live cd, but the installer should have installed it automatically |
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| 23:31.30 | berarma | sideup66: ok, then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:31.36 | mp19uy | yes the installed did itç |
| 23:31.51 | mp19uy | but for some reason I get grub rescue prompt |
| 23:32.20 | sideup66 | ok |
| 23:32.30 | mp19uy | before installing debian I had installed ubuntu, but I deleted it partition |
| 23:32.51 | mwarning | hi ppl; I try to make a debian package. Where do I have to place the command that copies a configuration file to it's location? |
| 23:32.59 | mp19uy | maybe there were remaining files from the grub config of ubuntu somewhere and that is causing the problem |
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| 23:33.41 | mp19uy | the error I am getting is: file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found |
| 23:33.44 | sideup66 | going to reinstall gnome with a viarant of the command, as it could be missing somthing |
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| 23:33.54 | sideup66 | graphically things seem fine with the nvidia driver |
| 23:34.02 | sideup66 | it needs the proprietary to work properly |
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| 23:34.40 | berarma | nouveau works ok for the desktop in the computers I've tried it |
| 23:36.30 | sideup66 | I know, but for some reason, it gets mad at the gfx card in this machine, noueaveau makes everything tiny |
| 23:36.31 | grimeton | typical debian: patching the shit out of the package and then missing half of the components needed: kadmind is part of the heimdal-servers package but not mentioned in any init script anywhere .. |
| 23:36.35 | grimeton | it's so typical debian |
| 23:37.01 | sideup66 | unless there is a way to tweak the driver to change resolution systemwide.... |
| 23:37.13 | sideup66 | does anyone know a way to tweak noueaveau systemwide |
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| 23:37.24 | sideup66 | to change the resolution, not just the current user login |
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| 23:38.24 | sideup66 | I honestly wish they gave people the ability to use gnome 2 in debian, its only a server I need it for, no need for a fancy ui....just a functional one is enough |
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| 23:39.22 | berarma | no problem with fancy and functional, you can install others, like xfce |
| 23:39.45 | berarma | though a server doesn't need a desktop |
| 23:39.48 | sideup66 | running apt-get install gnome-desktop environment |
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| 23:42.16 | sideup66 | see if that leads me anywhere |
| 23:42.26 | grimeton | sideup66: yeah, it pulls in half the tree |
| 23:42.49 | grimeton | debian turned from a handy distro to an unmanageable beast over the years |
| 23:42.50 | grimeton | really sad |
| 23:43.02 | sideup66 | normally yes, I would run default, also im still getting comfortable in linux so im playing with ui still |
| 23:43.08 | sideup66 | but getting more and more shell based :) |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | sideup66: i meant the nvidia drivers, not gnome .. though you probably want the 'gnome' package |
| 23:43.19 | sideup66 | ah |
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| 23:44.37 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi users of debian, is there any way to use my keyboard to guarantee proper shutdown sequence? |
| 23:44.42 | tharkun | Tramp: Thanks also but that is a bashism and this has to run on sh |
| 23:44.58 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: 'poweroff' ? |
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| 23:45.10 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: or you mean a keyboard sequence? |
| 23:45.13 | MonkWitDaFunk | What if my.system.hangs |
| 23:45.31 | abrotman | then how would you like to solve that with your keyboard? |
| 23:46.40 | berarma | MonkWitDaFunk: sometimes you can switch to a VT with ctrl-alt-Fx, if that doesn't work you may try connecting remotely thru SSH or telnet |
| 23:46.45 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: your solution seems to be the one to earn the blue ribon. :) |
| 23:47.19 | tharkun | abrotman: your nick was picked by tab completion. All similarities to real life is simply coincidence :) |
| 23:47.24 | Mike9863 | Sounds on my system randomly get crackly for some reason. I'm able to reproduce it by pausing and playing a video in VLC, but it affects all sounds on the computer. After a few seconds the crackling sound goes away and the audio is normal. I can also make the audio normal by switching the connector in my sound preferences. Can anyone help? |
| 23:47.40 | MonkWitDaFunk | Ctrl alt t doesnt work so why would ctrl alt fx? |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | tharkun: i'll remember this day! |
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| 23:47.55 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: alt-sysreq-b ? |
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| 23:48.32 | musca | !sysrq |
| 23:48.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | gets the cookie! |
| 23:49.07 | _niCe_ | hi, is there a way how i can setup a chroot (like with debootstrap) but only including a minimal system (apt + openssh-server + nginx) |
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| 23:49.51 | Harzilein | musca: i thought that for maximum chance of success one should use r-e-i-s-u-b |
| 23:49.57 | musca | raising skinny elephants is so utterly boring |
| 23:50.31 | grimeton | _niCe_: there is this magical command calld "man" |
| 23:51.11 | grimeton | _niCe_: which leads you to install scripts |
| 23:51.26 | grimeton | _niCe_: where a ton of 'em exist in /usr/share/deboostrap/scripts/ |
| 23:51.28 | grimeton | pick the right one |
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| 23:52.34 | GinTonic | upgrade from squeeze to wheezy,now i can't link to internet and mounting filesystems failed ,can't start up desktop too ,can someone help ,thank a lot |
| 23:53.20 | _niCe_ | grimeton, yea ... but that are only different debian versions |
| 23:53.22 | _niCe_ | not services |
| 23:53.34 | grimeton | _niCe_: did i mention "man" already? |
| 23:54.11 | aegis | Hi all! Has anyone been successful in getting xen and/or xcp-xapi running while using an nvidia card? If I boot without xen my nvidia card/drivers work fine. When I boot to xen I get alternating black screens on dom0 running Debian (kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64) |
| 23:54.48 | berarma | aegis: nvidia drivers don't support xen |
| 23:54.50 | themill | _niCe_: it's a chroot. You can chroot into it and install stuff. |
| 23:54.53 | aegis | I also cannot access any of the tty consoles via ctrl-alt-F# ... just black screens. |
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| 23:56.37 | aegis | berarma: Thanks. My research had me headed to that conclusion, but I have seen ways online to compile the kernel module for the nvidia driver so that it does work. Unfortunately, it seems to only work in OpenSuse. |
| 23:58.01 | GinTonic | upgrade from squeeze to wheezy,now i can't link to internet and mounting filesystems failed ,can't start up desktop too ,can someone help ,thank a lot |
| 23:58.12 | sideup66 | hmm |
| 23:58.16 | sideup66 | still no graphics |
| 23:59.13 | berarma | aegis: the Debian README mentions that problem |
