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| 00:11.38 | chomwitt | my dist-upgrade (squeze->wheezy) fails with : 1http://tinyurl.com/ks2bafa |
| 00:14.25 | themill | chomwitt: and what does "apt-get -f install" want to do? |
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| 00:16.06 | chomwitt | http://tinyurl.com/ms7ejjj |
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| 00:16.24 | themill | boo |
| 00:16.59 | themill | I assume "apt-get -f install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" gives the same result? |
| 00:18.11 | chomwitt | yep. the same |
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| 00:18.57 | themill | chomwitt: we'll get there.... dpkg -r --force-depends kde-plasma-netbook; apt-get -f install |
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| 00:20.29 | ShadowDemon | Meow |
| 00:21.22 | chomwitt | themill: the same.. |
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| 00:21.45 | chomwitt | themill: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kde-plasma-netbook'. |
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| 00:22.54 | themill | hmm |
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| 00:23.16 | themill | chomwitt: what happens if you just try to "aptitude install kde-plasma-netbook"? |
| 00:23.38 | themill | fwe: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
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| 00:23.52 | chomwitt | themill: |
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| 00:23.57 | chomwitt | themill: |
| 00:24.03 | chomwitt | http://tinyurl.com/myllqx5 |
| 00:24.09 | chomwitt | sorry for the typos |
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| 00:25.14 | badzavrza | http://www.california-roleplay.org/ |
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| 00:25.39 | themill | chomwitt: was that the output you intended to paste? What happens if you say Y to that dpkg -r? |
| 00:26.02 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/kle5ak6 |
| 00:26.59 | chomwitt | in the dpkg -r after Y i get : E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kde-plasma-netbook'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 00:27.04 | themill | ok |
| 00:28.28 | themill | aptitude's solution is pretty icky, but if it works it's better than nothing. I suggest you keep a copy of that paste with the 530 packages it is going to remove let it complete (hopefully) and you can always install whichever of those packages you actually needed afterwards |
| 00:29.14 | themill | chomwitt: actually, before you do that, does "aptitude full-upgrade" do anything sensible? |
| 00:30.21 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/n3xfamn |
| 00:31.13 | themill | that looks less intimidating. Do that. Later, you can install any of those packages aptitude wants to remove that you want |
| 00:31.34 | chomwitt | ok . |
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| 00:32.41 | themill | it's mostly k-stuff that I think you said you don't use any more so that's not so bad. There are a few things like vlc that you might want -- just check over that last when you're done with the upgrade |
| 00:33.16 | chomwitt | themill: full-upgrade after my first Y gives: http://tinyurl.com/kyubvr8 |
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| 00:33.31 | chomwitt | should i procedd with Y each time it asks? |
| 00:33.47 | themill | it shouldn't ask again. don't really know why it asked a second time anyway |
| 00:33.50 | themill | say Y |
| 00:34.57 | roelj | Just letting you know that reinstalling debian solved the unmet dependencies problems I had. |
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| 00:41.43 | chomwitt | themill: no luck. http://tinyurl.com/luxywok |
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| 00:42.21 | themill | chomwitt: but it had already found a solution. I don't understand why it's recalculating it |
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| 00:43.00 | themill | chomwitt: what happened to the previous aptitude run where it had a solution and all you needed to do was hit Y? |
| 00:43.13 | chomwitt | i accidentaly kill it the previous time |
| 00:43.39 | themill | and this time it's not finding a solution :( |
| 00:43.59 | chomwitt | :-( |
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| 00:47.19 | themill | I'd much rather we were able to guide apt to a solution by telling it to install packages rather than by pruning bits of the dependency tree (and breaking it in places). But I can't see how we're going to get it to do that. |
| 00:47.47 | themill | chomwitt: I assume you've tried "aptitude install apt" again recently? |
| 00:48.13 | chomwitt | no |
| 00:48.32 | chomwitt | one moment |
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| 00:48.57 | slixz85 | COME TO #linuxbbq for GOOD BULLSHITTIN CHAT |
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| 00:49.15 | chomwitt | themill: again it proposes a long solution |
| 00:49.22 | themill | pastebin? |
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| 00:49.59 | chomwitt | wow.. it scrolled beyond the scrollbar avaialble . one moment |
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| 00:50.47 | themill | ah that's not a good sign |
| 00:53.47 | chomwitt | http://pastebin.com/27UbuhdF |
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| 00:54.58 | themill | 1171 removals. Nice work, aptitude |
| 00:55.16 | adh0c | Hey I'm working on a server that recently had its FTP client disabled to mitigate a security compromise. |
| 00:55.18 | themill | no, 975 |
| 00:55.34 | adh0c | I have to reenable it, but the client only wants it accessible to one IP address. |
| 00:55.49 | adh0c | Normally I'd do that via Shorewall, but it is not installed on this box. |
| 00:55.57 | themill | (anything that requires ftp is pretty broken) |
| 00:56.03 | adh0c | (tell me about it) |
| 00:56.15 | adh0c | Unfortunately, I still need to appeal for advice on how to do this. |
| 00:56.45 | adh0c | My initial thought was xinetd, but it doesn't appear to be possible. |
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| 00:59.17 | chomwitt | themill: could you please tell me WHY all that mess is happening? Is it my fault? third party packages that i should have uninstall before begin the upgrade or sth like that (backports?) |
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| 01:00.24 | brotatos | Hi, I'm new to debian. Will a program installed via a .deb file be updated when performing an update via apt-get? |
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| 01:00.55 | themill | chomwitt: squeeze->wheezy is slightly hairy to begin with. Some of the 3rd party packages you have there like googleearth and mariadb certainly have potential for causing trouble. Particularly mariadb as it won't have a nice upgrade path. |
| 01:01.42 | themill | brotatos: only if the package exists in a repo you are looking at and has a candidate version (as determined by version numbers and pinning preferences) that would cause it to be upgraded. Check the output of "apt-cache policy $package" to see |
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| 01:04.13 | chomwitt | themill: why to we try to install apt ? |
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| 01:07.24 | themill | chomwitt: the newer version of apt from wheezy can work out how to get around the "immediate configuration" and "solution generated Breaks" problems which would help us. But we can't get that version installed so we're going to have to do it without. |
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| 01:08.02 | chomwitt | i see |
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| 01:08.41 | themill | chomwitt: One thing we haven't tried is just "aptitude install" -- what does that want to do? (and "aptitude -f install") |
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| 01:09.10 | nc90 | hi guys who knows how to handle dynamically multiple domains on apache2 WITHOUT using a2ensite and similar... i'm looking for an automatic solution |
| 01:09.12 | nc90 | thanks |
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| 01:10.00 | chomwitt | themill: aptitude install , wants to remove 570 packages :-) |
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| 01:11.23 | themill | yay! |
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| 01:12.19 | chomwitt | themill: with -f i get the same output |
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| 01:12.50 | chomwitt | themill: should i accept? |
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| 01:13.07 | themill | I think you're at the stage here where you're either going to need to manually force removal of a pile of packages (5 to 10, if we can work out which ones) to then force apt-get to upgrade or accept that mass removal, finish the upgrade and then reinstall whatever you wanted. |
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| 01:15.55 | chomwitt | i dont know. |
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| 01:16.19 | chomwitt | themill: i mean i can know how crippled the system will be without all those packages |
| 01:16.58 | chomwitt | i mean i cant .... |
| 01:17.01 | dvs | chomwitt: yeah, but if removing those packages don't prevent you from installing new ones then you might have to do t. |
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| 01:17.24 | chomwitt | dvs: you got a point |
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| 01:19.51 | chomwitt | ok. i let it run. let see |
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| 01:24.25 | toothpick | #flood |
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| 01:26.16 | chomwitt | themill: thanks ! |
| 01:26.46 | themill | chomwitt: how's it going? |
| 01:27.06 | chomwitt | oups.. bite my tongue |
| 01:27.12 | chomwitt | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 01:27.55 | chomwitt | Current status: 62 broken [-16], 713 updates [-365], 11826 new [-3]. |
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| 01:29.07 | chomwitt | themill: http://tinyurl.com/mwtshxw |
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| 01:30.01 | themill | You seem very good at finding every missing PreDepends in debian ;) |
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| 01:30.57 | themill | chomwitt: try running "apt-get -f install" |
| 01:31.32 | chomwitt | ok |
| 01:32.22 | themill | (it might just be that the unpack order was wrong and it's now happy; if not, we'll have to download the python-support and gconf2 packages and install them with dpkg -i and see if that solves it) |
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| 01:36.23 | nonconvergent | I just had a kernel panic on my laptop. |
| 01:37.35 | nonconvergent | It appears to happen when it suspends on its own...I can suspend it just fine through the keyboard shortcut or by closing the lid. |
| 01:38.42 | nonconvergent | Hmm...maybe not. |
| 01:39.08 | nonconvergent | It's set not to go to sleep on battery. |
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| 01:44.24 | chomwitt | themill: apt-get -f install seems ended ok http://paste.debian.net/11458/ |
| 01:44.33 | chomwitt | themill: how do i proceed? |
| 01:44.50 | ImaLamer | nonconvergent: which is it? :) |
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| 01:45.29 | themill | chomwitt: ok, so try "apt-get dist-upgrade" then |
| 01:45.47 | dvs | upgrade was done already? |
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| 01:46.12 | themill | dvs: I believe so. I think that's how we got to this point, yesterday. |
| 01:46.17 | nonconvergent | ImaLamer: I'm not sure what causes it. |
| 01:46.28 | ImaLamer | nonconvergent: when does it happen? |
| 01:46.37 | nonconvergent | It doesn't happen when I'm actively using it. |
| 01:46.54 | themill | chomwitt: as dvs points out, if apt can do anything with "apt-get upgrade" it doesn't hurt to break down the problem into smaller chunks |
| 01:47.00 | nonconvergent | I changed it from suspend to standby on monitor. Maybe that'll help. |
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| 01:48.01 | chomwitt | i've already started the 'apt-get dist upgrade'.. |
| 01:48.09 | themill | that's fine |
| 01:48.24 | dvs | ...or is it? muhhahahah |
| 01:48.54 | ichthys | Does anyone have any any suggestions for login failures? My server will no longer allow me to log into them. Is there a log file i could potentially look into for this |
| 01:49.11 | ImaLamer | ichthys: fail2ban installed? |
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| 01:49.42 | ichthys | no, i was just messing around with kerberos and pam. along with sshd_config |
| 01:50.00 | ImaLamer | do you have any access to the server now? |
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| 01:50.34 | ichthys | yes, i still have an open terminal to it |
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| 02:19.25 | zzing | I am attempting to setup cracklib to prevent obviously bad passwords from being selected. When trying it, it will warn about bad passwords (can't tell if it is cracklib), but it never prevents their use. I use password requisite pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=10 difok=3 in /etc/pam.d/common-password (should be default addition after install). Any ideas? |
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| 02:21.27 | freebir | you guys, I"ve a hp mini net book, and it's all woking fine, but my wi fi is not working, says I don't have the firmware, how do I find which is the right firmware for me ? pĺease |
| 02:21.53 | ImaLamer | lspci |
| 02:23.13 | freebir | ImaLamer, Pci Bridge Intel corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge |
| 02:23.29 | themill | lspci -nn is more useful |
| 02:23.51 | ImaLamer | freebir: listen to themill, i'm partially distracted... paste the results of that to paste.debian.net |
| 02:24.17 | themill | dpkg, distract ImaLamer |
| 02:24.18 | dpkg | puts on a blonde wig and saunters past ImaLamer. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 02:24.41 | ImaLamer | ;D |
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| 02:25.33 | dvs | O_o |
| 02:26.20 | freebir | ImaLamer, themill paste.debian.net/11464 |
| 02:26.39 | themill | !BCM4312 |
| 02:26.40 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 02:28.07 | ImaLamer | he cheated and used a bot |
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| 02:29.49 | freebir | dpkg, tks man |
| 02:29.49 | dpkg | freebir: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:29.50 | freebir | worked |
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| 02:30.53 | hjf | hi all |
| 02:30.53 | freebir | tks |
| 02:31.15 | hjf | i need a lil help. i tried to install mongodb-10gen but it failed because mongodb-server was already installed |
| 02:31.24 | hjf | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mongodb-10gen_2.4.4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/mongo', which is also in package mongodb-clients 1:1.4.4-3 |
| 02:31.25 | dpkg | hjf: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 02:32.18 | hjf | now every time i try to run apt-get remove mongodb-.* it fails because of the pending mongodb-10gen install. how can i abort the pending install? |
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| 02:40.12 | zzing | Can I prevent passwd from allowing root to set just any password? |
| 02:40.19 | zzing | (eg. that violate cracklib policy) |
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| 02:45.40 | phy1729 | zzing: what good does that do? root can modify /etc/shadow ? |
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| 02:46.28 | zzing | phy1729, which means extra work. If somebody is determined, then ok, I want to have this for normal use. |
| 02:46.40 | dvs | zzing: if someone just a hold of root, it's game over. |
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| 02:47.53 | zzing | naturally, that is not what I am concerned over. |
| 02:48.05 | qman__ | in short, no, root can do whatever he pleases |
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| 02:48.39 | zzing | I unfortunately have to deal with a person who is an idiot. He isn't going to know how to deal with the shadow file (he would break it if he figured out what the file did). I have no control over this part, but he does know about passwd. |
| 02:49.00 | qman__ | if that person is an idiot, he shouldn't have root |
| 02:49.19 | phy1729 | make him only use sudo |
| 02:49.20 | dvs | agrees |
| 02:49.22 | phy1729 | if that |
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| 02:49.32 | zzing | Certainly not, but there is a certain amount of policy control I do not have |
| 02:49.41 | ichthys | can anyone pastie a default sshd_config file? or link one. |
| 02:50.35 | ghking | hello everyone! I have used "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt dev/sdb " to install grub2 to my flash disk.but, when i boot from it there is only "grub>", why? |
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| 02:55.21 | ghking | hello! is there some can help me? |
| 02:55.59 | Warp4 | well if it is legit, you need a / between the /mnt and dev |
| 02:56.31 | Warp4 | but since it is a flash disk, you might not be able to do that |
| 02:56.47 | Warp4 | IMO, grub2 should ALWAYS be installed on a regular hard drive |
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| 03:00.12 | qman__ | ghking, because you gave it bad information; are you trying to install an OS to the flash disk, or boot to your main OS from the flash disk? |
| 03:00.40 | qman__ | if you're installing a full environment to the flash disk, you need to chroot into it and then do grub-install |
| 03:01.07 | qman__ | if you're just trying to boot your system that's on your hard disk, but having grub on the flash disk, simply grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 03:01.34 | Warp4 | ok so i was partly incorrect :) |
| 03:01.38 | Warp4 | par for the course tonight |
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| 03:04.37 | ghking | <qman__>, i want use it to boot my main OS , and I have used "update-grub",after install it to my flash disk. but it just update the "grub.cfg" in my hard disk, how can I do it to let "update-grub" update "grub.cfg" in my flash disk. |
| 03:05.19 | qman__ | you don't, in short |
| 03:05.32 | qman__ | if the OS you're trying to boot is on the hard disk, that's where the grub.cfg goes |
| 03:05.53 | qman__ | grub-install just does the boot record and bootloader code |
| 03:06.23 | qman__ | if the OS you're trying to boot is on the flash disk, then you have to chroot into that environment to install grub |
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| 03:09.42 | qman__ | in case you didn't know, grub doesn't read grub.cfg at boot time, grub.cfg is only used at install time and any time you redo grub-install |
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| 03:10.11 | qman__ | grub-install compiles that configuration in with the bootloader |
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| 03:13.10 | ghking | <qman__>, ok, and what should i do to let me can see the boot menu, not just "grub>". |
| 03:13.26 | qman__ | ghking, grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 03:13.44 | qman__ | (assuming the flash drive is sdb) |
| 03:14.06 | ghking | <qman__>, I know , I will try it, thank you |
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| 03:21.45 | ghking | <qman__>, hello! I have used "grub-install /dev/sdb" but it show "grub rescue>" when booting |
| 03:24.03 | qman__ | ghking, are you booting while the hard drive is available? |
| 03:24.28 | ghking | no, I boot it in virtualbox |
| 03:24.36 | qman__ | then that's why |
| 03:24.50 | qman__ | I take it you're actually trying to put an OS on your flash drive |
| 03:25.15 | qman__ | in which case you need to chroot into the flash drive and then do grub-install |
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| 03:25.33 | ghking | <qman__>, I WILL try again |
| 03:27.24 | qman__ | ghking, as in, mount /dev/sdb /mnt; cd /mnt; mount -t proc none proc; mount --rbind /dev dev; mount --rbind /sys sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash; grub-install /dev/sdb; exit; cd; umount -l /mnt/dev; umount -l /mnt/sys; umount /mnt/proc; umount /mnt |
| 03:27.59 | qman__ | (why yes, I have done this a few times before) |
| 03:28.42 | ghking | <qman__>, it's really thank you, i will try. |
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| 03:36.51 | ghking | m /msg dpkg paste |
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| 03:41.21 | ghking | <qman__>, I have put ISO file into flash disk and created /boot/grub/grub.cfg see here pleade http://paste.debian.net/11469 but I cant see "Backtrack5" menu, only "grub>" |
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| 03:42.00 | qman__ | that's a completely different use case than the one I was describing |
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| 03:42.37 | qman__ | I don't know how to make that work, personally I'd follow the instructions on their website for setting up a bootable flash disk |
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| 03:45.49 | gsantovena | Anyone knows a place where I can check for performance tweaks for a server with debian squeeze? |
| 03:46.30 | Vicissitude | /etc/*.conf ?? |
| 03:46.42 | ghking | <qman__>, that a pity, but thank you all the same |
| 03:47.08 | jeep | gsantovena: is it having problems of some sort ? |
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| 03:55.11 | Zeranoe | What are some decent lightweight terminal emulators? |
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| 03:55.40 | qman__ | I didn't know there was such a thing as a heavyweight terminal emulator |
| 03:56.28 | Zeranoe | qman__: Gnome's terminal emulator is heavier than urxvt for example. |
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| 03:59.17 | phy1729 | Zeranoe: why not xterm? |
| 03:59.42 | Rusty1 | or emacs |
| 03:59.59 | Rusty1 | ducks |
| 04:00.22 | phy1729 | Rusty1-- not lightweight; and besides he already has an OS. |
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| 04:09.03 | copec | Would anyone happen to know why since kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 came out, I can no longer ssh to lxc containers on a box of mine? |
| 04:09.23 | copec | With this error in the container auth.log |
| 04:09.25 | copec | http://paste.debian.net/11473/ |
| 04:10.41 | jeep | copec: i would guess the error about the read only file system means fstab needs a edit on the box your trying to ssh into |
| 04:12.03 | zykotick9 | Zeranoe: urxvt gets my vote. i haven't found anything that displays curses apps better. |
| 04:12.23 | copec | It was working for quite a while until I upgraded the host, I was wondering if it is something known, I can't find anything googling |
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| 04:12.47 | copec | upgraded from pre-release wheezy to the latest |
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| 04:16.32 | qman__ | copec, and booting the old kernel works? |
| 04:16.45 | qman__ | it's honestly more likely that you have a filesystem problem and need to fix it |
| 04:16.59 | RigidWig | can anyone recomment a light FTP server that will only be used to save some images from a security cam? |
| 04:17.05 | RigidWig | *recommend |
| 04:17.18 | qman__ | oh, in /proc |
| 04:17.20 | qman__ | nvm |
| 04:17.48 | mumpitzel | RigidWig: vsftpd |
| 04:17.55 | phy1729 | RigidWig: server? is this to run on the securit cam? |
| 04:17.57 | qman__ | I can only recommend against using FTP |
| 04:18.13 | RigidWig | mumpitzel thanks will try it out |
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| 04:19.02 | RigidWig | phy1729: nope, just a dumb wifi webcam that has no native functionality for saving raw video somewhere, but it can send images over FTP (unfortunately no SFTP)... so I'm just setting up a quick server for that |
| 04:19.49 | phy1729 | weird but ok |
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| 04:20.21 | RigidWig | phy1729: I will have my revenge on D-Link... someday... |
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| 04:37.48 | JasonWoof | after upgrading espeak, it has a lisp |
| 04:39.17 | JasonWoof | sorta... the "s"es sound like "f"s |
| 04:41.17 | JasonWoof | something to do with me building my own pronunciation rules in. but still odd! |
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| 04:43.03 | subb1 | Hi debian. |
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| 04:44.48 | subb1 | I have a custom bash script which I'd like to make bootable for runlevels 2 and 3. Is there an official debian documentation to prepare an init script so that I could do an "update-rc.d service defaults" to make it run at boot time. Thanks |
| 04:45.00 | subb1 | I'm on debian 6 |
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| 04:47.33 | jeep | subb1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 04:48.11 | JasonWoof | rrr... why does espeak-data install into /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/espeak-data/ ? |
| 04:50.39 | JasonWoof | huh. maybe the compiled dictionaries are in native endian or something |
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| 04:54.17 | JasonWoof | anyway, I was able to rebuild the pronunciation dictionary with my word list |
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| 05:35.35 | Andymeows | Hello, what is the preferred nagios-type monitoring software for Debian Wheezy? |
| 05:35.46 | Andymeows | I see that most of them don't support Wheezy yet |
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| 05:36.35 | vlt | Andymeows: What’s wrong with … nagios? |
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| 05:37.54 | Andymeows | vlt: I've used Opsview (based on Nagios), but I've heard that it's more difficult to configure |
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| 05:58.15 | qubits | Hey what's up? I'm having an issue where my audio is sounding staticy or like it has disortion. Sometimes it goes away when i modify the volume quickly or pause and play but I can't seem to figure out the issue. I'm using pulse audio and this occurs with multiple applications |
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| 05:59.19 | kepler_ | hey guys, working towards a preseed supported d-i use - is there a way to manually perform the partitioning install step, drop to a shell and dump the disk configuration as a 'partman-auto/expert_recipe' string? this would later be used with similar machines... |
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| 06:00.07 | toothpick | I have grub4dos installed. Setting up a menu entry to boot from debian cdrom iso (using my usb stick). I get stuck as the installer is not able to find cd-rom. Any help appreciated... |
| 06:00.55 | mumpitzel | your PC can't boot from CDROM? |
| 06:01.00 | mumpitzel | or from USB? |
| 06:01.23 | qubits | halp |
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| 06:03.11 | ayaka | quleap, sorry, I can't understand what the problem is with you |
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| 06:04.28 | toothpick | i can boot from a usb |
| 06:05.02 | toothpick | mumpitzel: this is a multi-boot usb stick using grub4dos |
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| 06:05.41 | mumpitzel | use Yumi then |
| 06:06.10 | toothpick | yumi does not have listing for Debian 7.1 |
| 06:06.30 | mumpitzel | but 7.0 |
| 06:06.38 | mumpitzel | do you need any more? |
| 06:06.40 | toothpick | thats true it does have for 7.0 |
| 06:06.55 | mumpitzel | live cd, but you can install from it netinst way |
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| 06:07.24 | ayaka | maybe unetbootin can help you to install debian |
| 06:07.33 | toothpick | mumpitzel: i was hoping to use latest live debian which is 7.1 |
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| 06:08.23 | toothpick | which one should i use unetbootin or yumi? |
| 06:08.36 | mumpitzel | never ever unetbootin |
| 06:08.44 | mumpitzel | cause that one is famous for the CDROM not found bug |
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| 06:08.49 | mumpitzel | !unetbootin |
| 06:08.49 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images: ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 06:09.13 | toothpick | Okay so unetbootin no go. So i'll try out yumi |
| 06:09.58 | toothpick | thanks guys |
| 06:10.05 | toothpick | i'm downloading yumi now |
| 06:10.18 | toothpick | i'll be back in a few minutes to post back if successful |
| 06:10.20 | themill | there's only a dozen or so packages different between 7.0 and 7.1 and they're only an apt-get dist-upgrade away so don't worry about that |
| 06:10.38 | toothpick | themill: oh okay. thank u mill |
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| 06:12.33 | toothpick | Okay guys, yumi is downloading debian 7.0 32 bit getting ready to install on the other computer.. I'm a bit excited since this is my first time on debian. |
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| 06:15.34 | tekzilla | is there a command that will return a random, free unprivileged local tcp port ? |
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| 06:21.40 | ayaka | tekzilla, there are many programs doing that, like telnet |
| 06:22.14 | tekzilla | ayaka: no i mean i want to get a port number thats free on the local system |
| 06:22.57 | ayaka | tekzilla, but why do you want that? if you want to know which ports are used, you can use netstat |
| 06:23.47 | tekzilla | yeah i just want a random port for an ssh tunnel created by a script |
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| 06:35.12 | quleap | ayaka: I'm just basically getting some distortion on whatever output I use on my intel hda card sometimes |
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| 06:36.19 | ayaka | quleap, have you checked your audio wire? |
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| 06:38.33 | ectospasm | I had a problem with electronic-sounding intermittent distortion on my HTPC... when I stopped using GNOME it went away |
| 06:38.41 | ectospasm | quleap: ^ |
| 06:39.21 | ectospasm | it always seemed to be triggered by some kind of window event, though it was never repeatable. |
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| 07:25.42 | N34lO | hi, can someone tell me what this could mean? "ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xf7d32000 port 0xf7d32380 irq 46" "ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)" |
| 07:25.47 | N34lO | from dmesg |
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| 07:27.13 | mumpitzel | sata link down is fairly self explanatory, no? |
| 07:27.20 | ksk | :) |
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| 07:30.04 | safridzal | is it just my system, or there's no systray option on Debian's libreoffice ?? |
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| 07:30.54 | safridzal | I think LO systray is great, its preload the LO so writer/calc can open instantly |
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| 07:31.48 | safridzal | is there a way to make systray using LO from the repo? (LO from LO site is already come with that feature) |
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| 07:32.08 | N34lO | mumpitzel, well how do i get it up? |
| 07:32.53 | themill | safridzal: "libreoffice --quickstart" isn't it? |
| 07:33.20 | ksk | N34lO: fix the cable, the hdd, the controller? |
| 07:33.36 | safridzal | themill: so i just add that command on startup item? |
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| 07:33.52 | themill | safridzal: if I have remembered the option correctly... |
| 07:33.57 | safridzal | sorry for the cross post |
| 07:34.06 | N34lO | ksk - root-server: i don't have access (only bios - with a KVM over IP |
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| 07:35.29 | safridzal | themill: nothing happen after running that command |
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| 07:36.44 | e6tgy | Is installation of haveged in system (entropy generation) a good idea? |
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| 07:37.57 | ectospasm | e6tgy: it won't be as good as a HRNG or TRNG, but it will increase your entropy pool. |
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| 07:38.36 | ectospasm | I enabled it on all my systems, and I haven't noticed any problems. Haven't looked for any, either. |
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| 07:43.31 | e6tgy | ok, what is best to use on headless computer and virtual machine? |
| 07:44.36 | ectospasm | e6tgy: depends on the virtual machine |
| 07:44.58 | e6tgy | is it enough to to just install it, and it works, or I must enable it somehow? |
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| 07:45.04 | ectospasm | some VMs (like OpenVZ guests) won't let you adjust the entropy generation unless you also have access to the host |
| 07:45.27 | ectospasm | e6tgy: I had to tweak some things... hold on... |
| 07:45.49 | ectospasm | https://eldon.me/?p=95 << e6tgy |
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| 07:47.54 | e6tgy | I am using KVM |
| 07:49.09 | ectospasm | yeah, I dunno off the top of my head whether a KVM/qemu guest is as restricted as OpenVZ. You can follow my link (sorry they don't seem to show up very well) |
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| 07:51.38 | e6tgy | ectospasm: thanks, it explains a lot |
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| 07:56.49 | mynameisbruce | while upgrading from squeeze to wheezy i get the following error message |
| 07:57.05 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 07:57.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:57.13 | mynameisbruce | File "/usr/bin/pycompile", line 28, in <module> |
| 07:57.13 | mynameisbruce | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.13 | mynameisbruce | ValueError: bad marshal data |
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| 07:57.22 | themill | mynameisbruce: the command and full output in a pastebin would be good |
| 07:57.29 | mynameisbruce | okay |
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| 07:59.01 | mynameisbruce | http://paste.debian.net/11491/ |
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| 07:59.17 | mynameisbruce | i get the same error while configuring debconf |
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| 07:59.25 | mynameisbruce | i think its related to python |
| 07:59.35 | mynameisbruce | maybe broken python installation |
| 07:59.39 | mynameisbruce | or something like that |
| 07:59.46 | themill | mynameisbruce: what happened that you are trying to install python2.7-minimal by hand like that? |
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| 08:00.22 | mynameisbruce | i thought i could fix the debconf python error by upgrading from python2.7 to python2.7 |
| 08:00.32 | mynameisbruce | sorry 2.6 -> 2.7 |
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| 08:02.06 | mynameisbruce | my installation is in an inconsistent state....cause the dist-upgrade stuck at the "configure" step of debconf |
| 08:02.28 | themill | hmmm. debconf is perl not python |
| 08:02.31 | quleap | ectospasm: that sounds shitty |
| 08:02.41 | quleap | i think it occured since i tried to install some alsa stuff |
| 08:02.51 | mynameisbruce | right...but there are python commands in the prerm and postinst of debconf |
| 08:02.55 | quleap | it stopped in the middle of happening while i was removing alsa-utils |
| 08:03.11 | quleap | but its still going i feel like i might have dual out of sync audio daemons? |
| 08:03.16 | mynameisbruce | i found pycompile in the debconf postinst |
| 08:03.53 | themill | mynameisbruce: ahh. Indeed. |
| 08:04.26 | mynameisbruce | maybe its an error of debian 7.1 .... cause this is my 4. upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and never saw this kind of error |
| 08:04.53 | quleap | whats the command to grep what pkgs of alsa are installed |
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| 08:05.05 | themill | mynameisbruce: Do you have a local python install too? python or python modules in /usr/local? or in a PYTHONPATH? |
| 08:05.14 | mynameisbruce | nope |
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| 08:05.40 | mynameisbruce | no custom data or packages installed on this system |
| 08:05.55 | themill | mynameisbruce: does "python -V" say atm? |
| 08:06.06 | mynameisbruce | 2.6.6 |
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| 08:07.19 | quleap | cmon guys this is easy |
| 08:07.29 | quleap | how do i grep alsa out of installed pkgs |
| 08:07.31 | mynameisbruce | dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 08:07.31 | dpkg | ii | grep alsa 2.7-15.2 mynameisbruce's private gamp collection |
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| 08:07.32 | themill | quleap: aptitude search ~i~nalsa |
| 08:07.33 | mynameisbruce | maybe |
| 08:07.37 | quleap | thanks alot |
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| 08:10.24 | mynameisbruce | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589349 |
| 08:10.35 | themill | mynameisbruce: does "aptitude install python python-minimal python2.7 python2.7-minimal" sort you out? |
| 08:10.45 | mynameisbruce | according to this bugreport...i could be another bug in python-minimal |
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| 08:11.09 | mynameisbruce | nope...same error message like for package debconf |
| 08:11.15 | themill | pastebin? |
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| 08:11.30 | mynameisbruce | http://paste.debian.net/11491/ |
| 08:11.36 | themill | mynameisbruce: you've got different versions of python and python-minimal there, I think. The python interpreter maintainer can't always be convinced to fix the predependencies there because they are "corner cases"... |
| 08:11.58 | themill | mynameisbruce: wrong pastebin? |
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| 08:13.02 | mynameisbruce | thats the pastebin for my manual install of python i did 15min aga |
| 08:13.15 | themill | mynameisbruce: it's not "aptitude install python python-minimal python2.7 python2.7-minimal" |
| 08:13.16 | mynameisbruce | gonna try the aptitude |
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| 08:13.52 | mynameisbruce | http://paste.debian.net/11492/ |
| 08:13.59 | mynameisbruce | same error |
| 08:14.52 | themill | but different outcome. |
| 08:15.02 | mynameisbruce | i found a way to bypass the debconf error message by manually editing the debconf postinst.....but thats very nasty :D |
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| 08:15.31 | themill | that's not going to help here really. Every single python-using package is going to have a hissy fit like this |
| 08:15.40 | mynameisbruce | but i think python is the main prob |
| 08:15.51 | mynameisbruce | yeah |
| 08:15.59 | themill | yes. Sadly aptitude didn't try to unpack the new python for you. |
| 08:16.27 | themill | do you have the wheezy versions of those 4 packages in /var/cache/apt/archives already? |
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| 08:17.26 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 08:17.31 | lenswipe | i just ran mkfs /deb/sdb1 |
| 08:17.42 | lenswipe | that should format /dev/sdb1 right? |
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| 08:18.05 | lenswipe | guys? |
| 08:18.32 | well_laid_lawn | make what sort of filesystem on sdb1 ? |
| 08:18.58 | mynameisbruce | themill, looks like i got the packages on my system....do i have to manually extract them? |
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| 08:19.13 | luke` | I am running apt installed version of qemu 1.1.2 on debian wheezy. I setup the filesystem mount of a directory on the host and am able to mount it in the client. But it is always mounted read only. I would like to have the guest modify the host's filesystem. |
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| 08:19.28 | mumpitzel | mynameisbruce: tried to install all of them with a single dpkg -i ? |
| 08:19.41 | mynameisbruce | nope |
| 08:19.49 | themill | mynameisbruce: try installing them with "dpkg -i foo.deb". Doing those 4 and python-support all at once might be enough to get that sorted |
| 08:19.55 | Marqin | uh |
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| 08:20.07 | Marqin | i installed bridge-utils and now i don't have network |
| 08:20.11 | boydoy | hi! who know the mail server? |
| 08:20.23 | lenswipe | well_laid_lawn, well it was NTFS but I cancelled mid-format and windows thew a permissions error when I tried to read/write to/from it |
| 08:20.34 | lenswipe | >: [] |
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| 08:21.51 | e6tgy | What is the baest way to increase KVM enthropy? |
| 08:22.33 | mynameisbruce | oha...successful....cant believe it :D |
| 08:22.43 | lenswipe | e6tgy, tangle all the cables up - anything could happen! >: ) |
| 08:22.47 | lenswipe | \:D/ |
| 08:22.55 | themill | mynameisbruce: so an "apt-get -f install" would be good next |
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| 08:24.19 | mynameisbruce | yes thats it....thank you ! |
| 08:25.51 | halden | e6tgy: I have actually seen the use of "find /" for generating entropy |
| 08:27.16 | Marqin | anyone here know how to set up bridging the right way? i've done like on wiki, but i still don't have network connection |
| 08:27.20 | Marqin | no route to host |
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| 08:31.53 | p3rror | how to list file |
| 08:32.02 | p3rror | by last created file |
| 08:32.14 | grandie | hope this is the correct place to ask, need a pdf records editor for a debian installation. |
| 08:32.43 | CalimeroTeknik | you want to edit a pdf doc? |
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| 08:32.52 | themill | grandie: "pdf records"? |
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| 08:33.49 | CalimeroTeknik | be warned, that editing a pdf is a living hell. want to try? install pdfedit |
| 08:33.51 | grandie | CalimeroTeknik: yes, one with record fields |
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| 08:34.06 | CalimeroTeknik | if you REALLY CAN'T |
| 08:34.10 | CalimeroTeknik | get the source |
| 08:34.11 | ectospasm | grandie: both evince and okular can be used to fill in PDF forms, if that's what you want... |
| 08:34.39 | ectospasm | I like okular, if only because it goes to the next field when you hit TAB |
| 08:34.55 | mumpitzel | grandie: try inkscape |
| 08:34.58 | CalimeroTeknik | ectospasm, they can fill some, but the ones that are made so they be submittable forms only work in adobe reader |
| 08:35.29 | CalimeroTeknik | ah you just want to fill in some blank fields grandie ? |
| 08:35.39 | themill | (and even then they don't necessarily work with acroread) |
| 08:35.43 | grandie | themill: yes, used okular but could not save my changes |
| 08:35.49 | CalimeroTeknik | use xournal, it's a piece of cake |
| 08:35.50 | ectospasm | I use Xournal to mark up a PDF form that doesn't have proper fields. |
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| 08:36.13 | ectospasm | granted, the resulting completed form may not necessarily be "machine readable" |
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| 08:37.07 | themill | grandie: okular only lets you print your filled in form. (you can print it to a new PDF... but it's still only a "printout" and is no longer an editable form) |
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| 08:39.02 | grandie | thanks for the feedback, i was hopping someone had a better program than okular |
| 08:39.04 | CalimeroTeknik | you mean text created with xournal can't be selected as such in a pdf reader? |
| 08:39.15 | CalimeroTeknik | hops over grandie |
| 08:39.31 | themill | grandie: pdf forms are a bit of a disaster at best |
| 08:39.36 | CalimeroTeknik | I'm hopping too! |
| 08:40.10 | themill | !fill pdf forms |
| 08:40.11 | dpkg | You can use evince, inkscape or xournal to fill in pdf forms. (Try evince first!) Otherwise, you can do so using pdftk: pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; Or, using flpsed: pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps; |
| 08:40.20 | grandie | hoping ;-) |
| 08:40.49 | themill | (pdftk works fine as long as the form is nicely structured so you can figure out what field corresponds to what entry in the fdf) |
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| 08:42.27 | grandie | was told libreoffice would work, until i opened my one page document and got about twenty pages |
| 08:43.40 | N34lO | hi, can someone help me? i'm in the rescue system of my provider, but it doesn't show me /dev/sda1 etc. (fdisk -l /dev/sda looks fine) rescue system is a debian 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 08:43.55 | grandie | again thanks, i'll have to checkout some of these recommendations |
| 08:43.56 | themill | grandie: it can sometimes work. libreoffice draw is often better than write for this, but it's still going to make a mess of the document |
| 08:44.22 | CalimeroTeknik | libreoffice tries to interpret the document; that almost always breaks it |
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| 08:44.57 | jelly | ACROREAD!! |
| 08:45.00 | jelly | hides |
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| 08:46.26 | themill | jelly: if it works |
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| 08:46.53 | grandie | i have used okular in the past, but could not save my changes to the form and ended up re-entering the same information each time i needed to submit a new form |
| 08:47.04 | ectospasm | yeah, but Adobe is way behind on versions for acroread... like on version 9.x instead of the rest of the world on 11 or 12. |
| 08:47.09 | Dark_light | http://i.imgur.com/jcTYohs.png why do I have so many connection open on transmission's port while it's not even running ? |
| 08:47.17 | Dark_light | it's worring me |
| 08:47.26 | ectospasm | Dark_light: is the daemon running? |
| 08:47.37 | Dark_light | ps aux | grep transmission shows nothing |
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| 08:48.20 | Dark_light | ectospasm, ^ |
| 08:49.03 | ectospasm | Dark_light: it looks like your nethogs output shows less info than top, namely, connection status |
| 08:49.05 | grandie | should have said "most" of the same information |
| 08:49.32 | ectospasm | Dark_light: er, netstat |
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| 08:49.42 | Dark_light | ? |
| 08:49.55 | ectospasm | and CONNECTION STATE is what I'm looking for, in netstat |
| 08:50.10 | ectospasm | They all could be in TIME_WAIT |
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| 08:50.36 | ectospasm | Dark_light: ^ |
| 08:51.09 | Dark_light | I'm not sure what I should run with netstate |
| 08:51.13 | Dark_light | *netstat |
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| 08:52.54 | ectospasm | Dark_light: I typically run "netstat -altn" |
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| 08:53.13 | kaste | what does debian use internally when I specify dhcp in the network/interfaces? dhcpcd dhclient? And more importantly if it didn't get a response for a longish time, will it continue? |
| 08:53.18 | ectospasm | maybe add -p (as root!) to show which process is associated with a given connection? |
| 08:53.28 | ectospasm | Dark_light: ^ |
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| 08:53.51 | Dark_light | ectospasm, http://paste.debian.net/11502/ |
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| 08:54.21 | Dark_light | seems ok there |
| 08:54.29 | ectospasm | Dark_light: isn't bittorrent UDP? Maybe pass the -u option |
| 08:54.55 | Dark_light | http://paste.debian.net/11504/ |
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| 08:55.23 | kimmaria | Hello. How do i make autologin on Debian W Xfce, LightDM? |
| 08:55.44 | mynameisbruce | after solving the python dependency probs....i got an kernel panic during reboot |
| 08:55.49 | mynameisbruce | oh dear! |
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| 08:57.58 | mynameisbruce | error 6 in libselinux.so |
| 08:58.03 | mynameisbruce | kernel panic |
| 08:59.00 | ectospasm | mynameisbruce: does your application or site policy dictate SELinux? |
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| 09:16.27 | mynameisbruce | nope |
| 09:16.34 | mynameisbruce | selinux can be deactivated |
| 09:16.50 | mynameisbruce | i tryed grub kernel line selinux=0 |
| 09:16.55 | mynameisbruce | but still panic |
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| 09:20.27 | petn-randall | kaste: IIRC it uses dhclient, and will timeout after a longish (~1 minute) time, and continue to booting. |
| 09:20.32 | petn-randall | s/to// |
| 09:21.07 | ikrabbe | Hi, how can I remove apache2 from my system, which fails to install (apt-get remove apache2 gives an error cause apt-get install apache2 failed) |
| 09:21.56 | ikrabbe | actually its dpkg that fails to --remove the package cause it tries to start apache2, which actually never installed |
| 09:22.26 | petn-randall | Dark_light: nethogs doesn't clear those connections from display when there's no traffic. Especially with UDP nethogs has no way to find out if the connection is "over". |
| 09:22.35 | musca | ikrabbe: on unstable? |
| 09:22.50 | Dark_light | petn-randall, I see |
| 09:22.52 | Dark_light | thank you |
| 09:22.58 | ikrabbe | I think its unstable, I lost debian versions somewhere (sid is unstable, isn't it?) |
| 09:23.26 | ikrabbe | finally I want to install php5-apcu without apache2 |
| 09:24.30 | musca | ikrabbe: yes, sid is in the middle of a transition from apache 2.2 to 2.4 |
| 09:24.42 | ikrabbe | during setup apache2-2.4.4-6 it mutters about authn_core not existing |
| 09:24.52 | petn-randall | ikrabbe: If you can't remember which release you're on, for the sake of sanity you shouldn't be running sid. |
| 09:24.55 | ikrabbe | musca: I just want to get rid of apache2 |
| 09:25.49 | ikrabbe | petn-randall: seems i've fallen into a debian pit here. I can't revert as apache2 is marked as install (but failed) |
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| 09:26.18 | ikrabbe | petn-randall: and I remeber that it is sid |
| 09:26.35 | ikrabbe | petn-randall: but I can't tell if sid==unstable |
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| 09:26.49 | Sevet | it is |
| 09:26.51 | ikrabbe | thx |
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| 09:28.40 | Dark_light | I really need to get my hands on a newer kernel with 3.2 I alway have temps over 50 degrees even with the fan running at mid speed |
| 09:29.28 | kaste | petn-randall: ok thank you thats what I feared (I really like it for continuing to boot but I was hoping for something like dhcpcd that would retry after a while) |
| 09:29.29 | ikrabbe | Dark_light, are you sure that your problem is the kernel version and not just a heavy impact of dust on your fans? |
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| 09:30.46 | Dark_light | ikrabbe, yes on another distro I get much lower temperatures with a 3.9 kernel even with my fan set to spin at the minimum |
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| 09:39.13 | ikrabbe | so, how can I remove an unstable package, that fails to install |
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| 09:40.07 | Dark_light | it's not clear is it not installed or just not configured ? |
| 09:40.08 | petn-randall | Dark_light: There are backport kernels. |
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| 09:40.22 | Dark_light | petn-randall, where can I find them? |
| 09:40.36 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Dark_light -about bpo |
| 09:40.59 | petn-randall | Dark_light: that should get you going. |
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| 09:41.40 | Dark_light | yes but I didn't know they were already aviable |
| 09:41.45 | Dark_light | *available |
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| 09:44.16 | mumpitzel | ikrabbe: with dpkg. why did you install it in the first place? |
| 09:44.49 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: you sure there is a 3.9 in bpo? |
| 09:46.15 | musca | ,kernels |
| 09:46.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc5-686-pae (3.10~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 09:46.41 | Dark_light | yep there does not seem to be any kernel backports |
| 09:46.43 | Dark_light | yet |
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| 09:48.05 | musca | not even in testing, that's the stopper for bpo |
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| 09:49.07 | ikrabbe | mumpitzel: hmm dpkg also fails to remove the package, and I installed it as a dependency of php5-apcu |
| 09:49.09 | Dark_light | musca, from experience do you think we'll see one land in testing and then backports soon or am I better off just compiling my own? |
| 09:49.59 | ikrabbe | mumpitzel: i even tried to --force-all |
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| 09:54.50 | Arroyo1010 | I would like to learn to use a tiling window manager. What TWM works well with debian? |
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| 09:55.44 | CissWit | i use xmonad, but most of them work nice : awesome, i3, .. |
| 09:56.03 | Arroyo1010 | cool. thanks :) |
| 09:57.41 | ikrabbe | ok, moving the /var/lib/dpkg/info files for apache2 out of the way seems to work finally |
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| 09:58.51 | musca | Dark_light: kernel 3.8 didn't arrive in testing at all |
| 09:59.24 | Dark_light | musca, so I assume it's likely it'll take quite some time before we'll see a new kernel in backports |
| 10:00.50 | musca | you may ask in #debian-next on oftc.net, but what kind of answer do you expect? |
| 10:01.36 | musca | "I want development results immediately." |
| 10:02.53 | Dark_light | we not immediately it was just to know if it was more likely to come out in say within a couple of months or for christmas o:P I think I'll just roll my own for the time being |
| 10:03.04 | Dark_light | s/we/well |
| 10:03.14 | ectospasm | Dark_light: there's always Sid kernels... |
| 10:03.16 | ectospasm | !sid |
| 10:03.17 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 10:03.54 | Dark_light | ectospasm, they require newer stuffs which in turn require newer glibc basically It'd still take me less time to just take sid config and compile it myself |
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| 10:04.26 | musca | Dark_light: the better way would be a bugreport |
| 10:04.40 | ectospasm | Dark_light: you may end up with an unusable, unsupportable system. |
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| 10:04.57 | Dark_light | musca, why? |
| 10:05.26 | musca | to get the kernel 3.2 optimized for all users. |
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| 10:05.42 | Dark_light | ectospasm, I'm used to compile my own kernels, the only reason I'd copy that config over si because of laziness in choosing all the modules needed to get iptables and ufw working |
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| 10:06.28 | musca | Dark_light: so you compiled your kernel from source? |
| 10:06.53 | ikrabbe | Dark_light, then better keep it that way. Once selected you should just protect save your selection for future use |
| 10:06.59 | Dark_light | musca, not this one but I've been a gentoo user for some time I know how to build something that works |
| 10:07.10 | Dark_light | or better a kernel that boots |
| 10:07.30 | Dark_light | ikrabbe, that's a must I'm also willing to share if someone needs it |
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| 10:10.07 | Dark_light | hopefully there won't be regressions with the default sid configuration for 3.9 |
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| 10:11.52 | musca | Dark_light: 3.9 has intel P-states |
| 10:11.56 | ikrabbe | I'm running a vanilla kernel for years now, every few weeks compiled from the latest git HEAD and I never experienced regressions |
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| 10:15.24 | Dark_light | off we go, let's see how long it takes to build |
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| 10:21.48 | petn-randall | Dark_light: You can always bake your own kernel. It just takes 10 minutes of preparation and 30-90 minutes of compiling, depending on your system. |
| 10:23.08 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Use a stable git clone of the kernel, configure it if you want, then use 'make-kpkg kernel_image' and a few options to build it. |
| 10:23.20 | Dark_light | petn-randall, I'm compiling already :) |
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| 10:23.59 | Dark_light | I'm using the default sid config + PSTATE enabled mostly because I'm to lazy to choose everything I'd need for iptables and such |
| 10:24.01 | petn-randall | Dark_light: make-kpkg gives you a .deb which you can install and make the initrd for you :) |
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| 10:46.31 | colo-work | how can I find out if this commit: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1313981/ has made it into wheezy's kernel source? (preferably without checking out if the patch's contents are reflected in the kernel source package files) |
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| 10:55.35 | petn-randall | colo-work: I'd say that's the only way. |
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| 10:59.08 | Robert_L | I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and was affectd by bug 647219. Strange it wasn't resolved before wheezy was released. A simple fix at bug 668739 resolved it for me. |
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| 10:59.18 | colo-work | petn-randall, thanks |
| 10:59.26 | babilen | judd: bug #647219 |
| 10:59.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/647219 in php5-suhosin (open): «php5-suhosin: cron.d message after removal»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-10-31; last modified: 2012-04-14. |
| 11:02.18 | Robert_L | babilen, for me it was exposed as a PHP warning on the console when using a CLI PHP tool called drush. The error and solution was the same though. |
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| 11:05.51 | babilen | Robert_L: Well, it is generally speaking a good idea to purge removed packaged. (aptitude purge ~c) as stray configuration files *do* affect the running system. This particular bug has also not been fixed and there was therefore no actual fix that could make it into wheezy. |
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| 11:06.00 | babilen | As you notice the bug is still open |
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| 11:06.45 | andyjpb | hi Debians! |
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| 11:07.07 | andyjpb | how does one install things from deb-multimedia these days? it seems to be the only source for cinelerra |
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| 11:11.01 | Robert_L | babilen, I see. So aptitute purge ~c? Is there an apt-get equivalent? |
| 11:11.06 | neon__ | my Application menu items are messed up. Is there anything that reorganize them to default? |
| 11:11.57 | Robert_L | babilen, d'oh! This exact issue was actually in the upgrade manual, but I missed it. 4.5.7.3. Suhosin PHP module |
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| 11:26.26 | babilen | Robert_L: No, there is no apt-get equivalent (powerful search expressions are one of aptitude's killer features) |
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| 11:27.08 | kia | hallo |
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| 11:33.54 | nonameerin | i think i am in love. somebody smack me.. |
| 11:34.00 | nonameerin | http://goo.gl/TWupC |
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| 11:34.14 | Dark_light | petn-randall, I went with 3.9.0 mostly because I forgot to get the minor .6 version :P everything's working ok so far |
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| 11:34.42 | babilen | nonameerin: Please not in this channel. |
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| 11:36.02 | nonameerin | sure |
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| 11:36.21 | petn-randall | nonameerin: Oh, another Debian fork, how interesting ... |
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| 11:36.59 | nonameerin | :) |
| 11:37.15 | petn-randall | oops, forgot </sarcasm> |
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| 11:37.32 | wdouglass | Hey quick question; i have my desktop setup to suspend after an hour of inactivity. last night, i tried to run a backup using rsync. it suspended, and didn't complete the backup. is there a way to re-define 'inactivity' so long-running processes like this can complete? or should i just mess with power management before running my rsync |
| 11:37.41 | nonameerin | they say imitation is the best flattery.. |
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| 11:39.03 | petn-randall | wdouglass: You can have your rsync script disable suspend, and re-enable it when it's finished. |
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| 11:40.07 | wdouglass | petn-randall: that's not a bad idea! i'm currently using gnome-power-manager to do the suspend, do you think i can disable it with a dbus message? or some other way? |
| 11:40.50 | petn-randall | wdouglass: I don't know for sure, but I bet there's a CLI way to configure the power-manager, and that would be the way to go. |
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| 11:41.07 | wdouglass | petn-randall: you're probably right. i'll look into it. thanks! |
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| 11:42.48 | CalimeroTeknik | er… running mk-build-deps alters the sources, says dpkg-buildpackage that I run afterwards :[ |
| 11:43.03 | CalimeroTeknik | was mk-build-deps supposed to touch the sources? |
| 11:43.08 | CalimeroTeknik | what is this? |
| 11:43.23 | CalimeroTeknik | betrayed by debian tools! |
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| 11:43.47 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: mk-build-deps has left the .deb in cwd as it says. You need to move that out of the way. |
| 11:44.15 | CalimeroTeknik | ah, yes, the .deb for the dependencies? |
| 11:44.20 | themill | yes |
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| 11:44.47 | CalimeroTeknik | thank you |
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| 11:52.09 | sianios | hello guys, after i accidentally switched off the power of my computer the graphics are messed up, I tried to change resolutions but still nothing also the monitor says Unknown any ideas? I'm running Debian Wheezy |
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| 11:56.04 | tralala | after upgrading a domU machine to wheezy (under squeeze dom0) I have a problem with the time offset - no matter what I do the domU time is two hours ahead of dom0. How can I fix that? |
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| 11:57.58 | nyuszika7h | tralala: I'm not familiar with Xen, but are dom0 and domU both have their hardware clock set to UTC time? |
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| 11:59.44 | tralala | nyuszika7h, only dom0 has hw clock and it's UTC |
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| 12:03.56 | nyuszika7h | tralala: have you tried this? http://southbrain.com/south/2009/09/rtc-sun-xvm-wrong-timezone-off.html |
| 12:04.48 | nyuszika7h | basically, hwclock --utc && service ntp stop && ntpd -q && service ntp start |
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| 12:13.31 | bitgeek | hi, I've just plugged in a new blu-ray burner, doing a s/w update now, what checks should I carry out please? |
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| 12:22.10 | tralala | nyuszika7h, let me try |
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| 12:23.41 | _martin | hi I'm using debian unstable, since the last update there will be no gnome panel be displayed |
| 12:25.01 | apm1 | *there is |
| 12:25.19 | apm1 | and well thats what you get for running sid |
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| 12:25.44 | apm1 | wait a few hours or days if its purty bad , but there is a fix coming for sure |
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| 12:26.28 | _martin | so you think this error doesn'T occour only on my machine? |
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| 12:26.40 | apm1 | no |
| 12:26.59 | apm1 | its probably a wide spread bug on sid |
| 12:27.08 | apm1 | this like this generally are |
| 12:27.31 | apm1 | last month on sid the gnome default icon set broke |
| 12:27.55 | apm1 | everyone running sid was effected if they updated their system |
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| 12:28.08 | apm1 | but the fix came pretty quick too |
| 12:28.13 | apm1 | hardly a few hours |
| 12:28.18 | _martin | ok I will check |
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| 12:28.21 | tralala | nyuszika7h, it worked! Thank you |
| 12:28.25 | nyuszika7h | np |
| 12:28.42 | _martin | i got an other question. If I do apt-get update will 404 sources be automaticly removed? |
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| 12:29.12 | apm1 | no _martin |
| 12:29.32 | apm1 | you'll have to edit the sources.list yourself by hand |
| 12:29.38 | _martin | ok |
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| 12:31.55 | halt | Hi all, i try to setup debian repos, with puppet, but I'm just suffering with it, is there anyone here who use debain with puppet, and to be more exact I having a trouble with the backports |
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| 12:35.45 | halt | I'm using the officaal apt module, if that's metter |
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| 12:38.12 | _martin | apm1 can I change from sid to an other version? |
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| 12:41.00 | alteregoa | high |
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| 12:41.18 | alteregoa | i am looking for a tool copy from a to b, but with speed limit |
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| 12:41.31 | alteregoa | hello cornelinux, the planet of apes |
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| 12:43.05 | ChrisH | alteregoa: you are looking for rsyc |
| 12:43.13 | alteregoa | rsyc |
| 12:43.25 | alteregoa | something like this |
| 12:43.38 | alteregoa | so rsynch has option to limit the bandwitdth |
| 12:44.09 | alteregoa | fascinating |
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| 12:44.28 | ChrisH | alteregoa: man rsync and search for limit will show --bwlimit=KBPS limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second |
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| 12:45.10 | alteregoa | someone knows how to rape midnight commander using rsync for copy commands? |
| 12:45.35 | jelly | alteregoa: what? |
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| 12:46.01 | ChrisH | midnight commander ? sounds like Volkoc commander I used on DOS 4.1 in the 90ies of last century |
| 12:46.03 | alteregoa | to use rsync copy method instead of midnight commanders defult one |
| 12:46.10 | apm1 | _martin, yes |
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| 12:46.31 | alteregoa | yeah i am from the last century i still use such tools like midnight commander or double commander |
| 12:47.01 | apm1 | _martin, just change your sources.list repos to stable or testing and then do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:47.13 | _martin | thanks |
| 12:47.45 | ChrisH | alteregoa: its easier to be used from commandline. rsnyc -anv --bwlimit=100 a/ b/ and off you go. -n means dry-run or simulation, does nothing harmful |
| 12:48.05 | apm1 | _martin, how long have you been using debian ? |
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| 12:48.42 | alteregoa | yeah thank you, its just because i have to copy 15TB of data within a week but the file server need to stay responsive for other tasks |
| 12:48.44 | _martin | hm on my netbook I'm using unstable since 6 months or so, bot its not in daily use |
| 12:49.06 | _martin | *but |
| 12:49.44 | apm1 | _martin, well jumping straight to unstable is a bit harsh on yourself me thinks , not saying you can't handle it , ofcourse you can |
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| 12:50.03 | apm1 | i recommend installing apt-listbugs package |
| 12:50.31 | Bsims | alteregoa: I have a script for you that does rsync backups... let me find it |
| 12:50.46 | alteregoa | great |
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| 12:51.33 | _martin | hm i think my source.list is broken http://ftp.atdebian.org/debian is unreachabel apm1 |
| 12:51.48 | _martin | * http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian |
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| 12:51.57 | petn-randall | _martin: I'd fall back to jessie if you can, you'll get a little less bugs there which you can then more easily handle. |
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| 12:53.38 | apm1 | _martin, maybe your country austria's debian archive is down |
| 12:53.41 | Bsims | alteregoa: http://pastebin.com/i9KiSmQt |
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| 12:53.51 | _martin | seems so, i exchanged at to us |
| 12:53.58 | _martin | apt-get update works know |
| 12:54.00 | Bsims | alteregoa: it backs up to a usb drive but that can be easily changed |
| 12:54.05 | alteregoa | many thanks Bsims |
| 12:54.15 | apm1 | _martin, great then :) |
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| 12:54.31 | Bsims | alteregoa: hey not a problem we were all newbies with a new program once |
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| 12:54.37 | Bsims | but rsync is the bomb |
| 12:54.42 | _martin | so maybe after the next apt-get upgrade will be the gnome issue fixed :) |
| 12:55.11 | apm1 | _martin, hope so |
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| 12:55.23 | _martin | So i dont need to move from sid to jessie |
| 12:55.28 | alteregoa | is there a way to tell rsyc with an HUP signal to change the bandwitdth if its running? |
| 12:55.41 | apm1 | not if you can take occasional breakage _martin |
| 12:56.33 | Bsims | alteregoa: Hrm not by default, but rsync only copies changes... so once you ran it once it will be much faster |
| 12:56.39 | _martin | what you mean by that? Do I lose thinks such as gnome settings / wifi, vpn stuff? |
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| 12:57.26 | apm1 | _martin, yes |
| 12:57.48 | _martin | My whole data is saved on the nas, so I can lose only settings |
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| 12:57.55 | _martin | ah ok, I have to keep that in mind |
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| 12:59.47 | _martin | hi LordDeath|OSX |
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| 13:00.56 | smmsadr | When I run tasksel in terminal noting happen. I want to use tasksel for LAMP installation on my debian server. |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | smmsadr: what's the error ? |
| 13:01.24 | abrotman | smmsadr: which version of Debian is this? |
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| 13:02.47 | smmsadr | abrotman: I installed debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 13:02.53 | LordDeath|OSX | hi _martin ^^ |
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| 13:04.05 | smmsadr | abrotman: I don't see any error. it simply don't show anything and go to new line. |
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| 13:05.55 | wcwrel | how do i do share smb |
| 13:06.04 | _martin | hm, seems that I have to use gnome classic until the next gnome fix will be releasied |
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| 13:07.42 | apm1 | _martin, do you mind if i advice you abt the WM/DE gui stuff ? |
| 13:07.43 | wcwrel | how do i share with smb? |
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| 13:08.29 | _martin | I dont know abt WM/DE apm1 |
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| 13:09.11 | apm1 | _martin, Window Manager / Desktop Environment , i.e the GUI session |
| 13:09.32 | _martin | ah you mean Start GUI apps without a DE/WM? |
| 13:09.39 | apm1 | no |
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| 13:10.28 | apm1 | i mean have you tried xfce , lxde , openbox , fluxbox and a zillion others |
| 13:10.35 | apm1 | _martin, ^ |
| 13:10.45 | _martin | ah ok I understand^^ |
| 13:10.57 | _martin | Is there a way to choose when login one of this DE/WM? |
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| 13:11.30 | apm1 | yes just select xfce in the drop down list below the password field |
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| 13:11.48 | _martin | ok so i do know apt-get xfce :) thanks |
| 13:11.58 | apm1 | but before logging out run "apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies" |
| 13:12.02 | apm1 | no xfce4 |
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| 13:12.10 | _martin | thanks |
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| 13:13.37 | LordDeath | _martin: also read this http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 13:14.06 | _martin | LordDeath you use xfce as primary DE/WM? |
| 13:14.16 | apm1 | i do |
| 13:14.26 | LordDeath | I don't have any DE/WM on debian ;-) |
| 13:14.44 | apm1 | x less , i like |
| 13:15.07 | apm1 | i have a xless stable install somewhere on this disk |
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| 13:20.29 | _martin | how can i move the the whole panel the bottom apm1 |
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| 13:20.41 | ikrabbe | I want to copy the package selections from one debian to another with dpkg --get-selections > x.sel; scp x.sel target:; ssh target; dpkg --clear-selections; dpkg --set-selections < x.sel |
| 13:20.49 | apm1 | _martin, on what ? |
| 13:20.56 | _martin | to the bottom |
| 13:20.58 | apm1 | gnome-classic ? |
| 13:21.08 | _martin | at the moment the panel is at the top |
| 13:21.16 | ikrabbe | but when I test that command chain with dpkg --get-selections @target, the result is completly different from x.sel |
| 13:21.17 | apm1 | on gnome classic ? |
| 13:21.22 | _martin | no xfce |
| 13:21.32 | ikrabbe | so doesn't that *selections thing work |
| 13:21.34 | ikrabbe | ? |
| 13:21.38 | apm1 | right click on the panel _martin |
| 13:22.19 | apm1 | and go to "panel"in the menu |
| 13:22.44 | apm1 | there click on panel preferences |
| 13:23.58 | ikrabbe | ah no, i hate software that thinks it could think |
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| 13:26.35 | _martin | ah ok i have to unlock it |
| 13:26.39 | _martin | thanks apm1 |
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| 13:30.21 | _martin | I think I become a friend to xfce :) |
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| 13:30.44 | pagios_ | hello, is there a way to install dmidecode using apt-get? |
| 13:30.52 | apm1 | i have to leave , be back later |
| 13:30.53 | RxDx | please, I just downloaded boost library 1.53 (via tarball, not apt-get)... I run ./booststrap to install and them ./b2 install.. everything runs fine but the libraries stay on the folder where I extracted the tarball.. How can I install it on /usr/lib or add a path on an environment variable? |
| 13:32.44 | lolgnu | Hello |
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| 13:34.11 | jelly | RxDx: never install custom, out of package management stuff under /usr/lib. Pick a separate prefix and make your software built and install under eg. /opt/boost1.53 |
| 13:34.12 | halt | HI all, i try to setup the backports repo, but it's faild all the time, with the following error W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release Unable to find expected entry 'stable/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 13:34.15 | lolgnu | Is badblocks safe? as: Is a drive that survives badblocks without errors safe to write data to? |
| 13:34.45 | jelly | lolgnu: did you run a read-only test or a write-read test on it? |
| 13:35.30 | Sevet | lolgnu: also define 'survives' - still usable at the end despite a list of bad sectors, or no bad sectors found? |
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| 13:36.15 | jelly | lolgnu: (note: there's a destructive and an attempted nondestructive rw test) |
| 13:36.28 | petn-randall | pagios_: apt-get install dmidecode |
| 13:36.28 | Sevet | it's also worth checking the smart information on remapped bad blocks - the drive reserves some space and remaps bad sectors to them. that means badblocks won't find any even though there are some that have been remapped (which is already time to look at replacing your drive) |
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| 13:36.36 | alteregoa | is it possible to send some growl message if smartmon has some issues? |
| 13:36.47 | jelly | lolgnu: if you did not run a rw test, it's hard to say whether further writes might fail or not |
| 13:36.58 | petn-randall | pagios_: You can use apt-cache search (check the man page) to search for packages you need. |
| 13:37.00 | pagios_ | petn-randall: : Package 'dmidecode' has no installation candidate |
| 13:37.36 | pagios_ | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/r7CTMADG |
| 13:37.36 | petn-randall | pagios_: Are you on Debian? It's available in all releases. |
| 13:37.45 | jelly | RxDx: after that, you can use that prefix to build other software against your boost |
| 13:38.00 | pagios_ | brb |
| 13:38.26 | petn-randall | pagios_: Use http://paste.debian.net, and show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list, please |
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| 13:38.44 | petn-randall | (pastebin is despised by many inhabitants of this channel) |
| 13:38.51 | abrotman | smmsadr: dworking yet? |
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| 13:39.23 | petn-randall | alteregoa: Check out the man page of smartd, you can configure it to do it. |
| 13:40.12 | RxDx | jelly, ok.. them I compiled a program with no problems.. but when I try to run it cant find my boost shared libs (cuz they are not on my $LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable I think) |
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| 13:41.11 | halt | I also has a paste http://paste.debian.net/11545/ error with the backport repo and cant figure out why .. |
| 13:41.25 | jelly | RxDx: huh, did your program link with -R/opt/boost1.53/lib -L/opt/boost1.53/lib or did it forget to use rpath (-R)? |
| 13:42.19 | petn-randall | halt: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy stable main contrib" ← the 'stable' is redundant, remove that. |
| 13:42.40 | petn-randall | halt: Check the man page which fields every line should have. |
| 13:42.47 | RxDx | jelly, actually I didnt write that program.. its an internet protocol (called odtone) that is compiled running b2 command (not make)... |
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| 13:43.34 | jelly | s/your program/the program you built/ then |
| 13:44.13 | jelly | RxDx: I'm clueless about b2, sorry. Try to figure out how and where to place arguments for the linker |
| 13:44.33 | jelly | alternatively, use LD_LIBRARY_PATH but that has problems of its own |
| 13:44.46 | RxDx | ok, thanks :) |
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| 13:45.11 | wcwrel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.33 | petn-randall | wcwrel: This howto is much better: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.windows-file-server-with-samba.html |
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| 13:48.08 | petn-randall | wcwrel: Yours was something someone rephrased from a blog as a source, which is ... meh :) |
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| 13:50.35 | yacc | Any idea where to get Debian qemu image? (Does Debian provide such (in)officially?) |
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| 13:56.06 | OpenTokix | yacc: Can't you just install one? |
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| 13:58.43 | psamim | Hi, excuse me, I am on a Debian 6 server, Is it possible to update the curl? the one in the squeeze repo is 7.21, which is too old for me. |
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| 13:59.15 | yacc | OpenTokix: Naturally, but it would save me some time, ... ;) |
| 13:59.34 | tomodachi | psamim: curl is quite small and simple, just download the sources to the version you reqire and compile it. |
| 13:59.49 | OpenTokix | yacc: I doubt it, since a qcow is probably a larger download then the netinstall :) |
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| 14:00.05 | psamim | tomodachi: oh tnx |
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| 14:01.18 | Sevet | psamim: 7.26 is in wheezy if you want to upgrade from oldstable to stable |
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| 14:01.58 | yacc | OpenTokix: Download size is not really a criteria for me :) => but yes I understand that it might be an issue for Debian ;) |
| 14:02.01 | psamim | Sevet: Can I use a package from Wheezy in squeeze? (curl) |
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| 14:02.35 | jeff_e47 | Hello all. I just upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy and I'm having trouble with /dev/shm warnings. During boot, it tells me a filesystem is already mounted on /dev/shm and I should remove that entry from /etc/fstab, but I don't see any entry like that in my fstab. |
| 14:02.35 | yacc | psamim: you might be able to rebuild it, ... |
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| 14:05.43 | roelj | I reinstalled Debian (wheezy), and install texinfo and texlive packages. When I try to build some documentation that has @part it in, I get the following error: Undefined control sequence. l.28 @part. |
| 14:06.11 | roelj | Am I missing some package? It worked on Debian (wheezy) before I performed a new install. |
| 14:06.50 | jelly | jeff_e47: care to pastebin your fstab and output of grep SHM /etc/default/* |
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| 14:08.54 | jeff_e47 | jelly: Glad to: http://pastebin.com/bmyhsWAk |
| 14:09.48 | jelly | jeff_e47: case is important. grep SHM |
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| 14:10.30 | jeff_e47 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/yN2mmLck |
| 14:10.39 | jeff_e47 | Should ramshm=no? |
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| 14:12.45 | jl- | how good does debian run in vmware player? |
| 14:12.57 | ksk | !tell jl- about vmware |
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| 14:13.02 | ksk | lovin it :D |
| 14:13.19 | elios | ^ |
| 14:13.26 | psamim | yacc: rebuild? |
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| 14:14.16 | tharkun | I found some bugs on mount/umount can someone give me a hand on a workaround? |
| 14:14.17 | elios | can i ask conky related questions in this channel ? |
| 14:14.45 | jelly | jeff_e47: everything is commented out, looks fine |
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| 14:15.34 | jelly | jeff_e47: I thought you might have leftover duplicate config in /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: We are skeptical, but you know to give more detail than "some bugs". |
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| 14:16.02 | elios | ...is it possible to run a second conky session just for time and/or date ? |
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| 14:18.18 | jeff_e47 | jelly: I see tmpfs filesystems get mounted in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh and /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh. Is that normal? I'm wondering if things got left over during the upgrade. |
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| 14:19.42 | Zopieux | hello |
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| 14:19.46 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: set up an nfs partition with the user option mount it with a regular user and then try to umount it. It will fail with umount.nfs: /public: not found |
| 14:19.49 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 14:20.08 | jelly | jeff_e47: same thing on this wheezy workstation, so probably not that (directly) |
| 14:20.10 | apm1 | _martin, how goes ? |
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| 14:20.29 | Naphatul | whats the default desktop enviroment that i get from selecting "Debian desktop environment"? gnome3? |
| 14:20.40 | Zopieux | I am using Debian stable and I would like to simulate systemd "tempfiles" tool so as to create some folders on boot (eg /var/run/fpm with perms 777) |
| 14:20.42 | Zopieux | is it possible? |
| 14:20.44 | apm1 | yes Naphatul |
| 14:20.45 | elios | Naphatul: i guess xfce |
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| 14:21.01 | apm1 | nope its gnome shell |
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| 14:21.17 | jelly | Zopieux: do it in the init script for the service that actually uses /var/run/fpm |
| 14:21.18 | apm1 | elios, get your facts straight kiddo |
| 14:21.28 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: If you mount it with the exec option and do not specify the vers=3 option mount will put on the options it feels like, not the ones specified by the fstab line |
| 14:21.32 | Zopieux | jelly, ok, good idea indeed |
| 14:21.33 | dury | is there a command to install package "Startup Disk Creator" in Debian? |
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| 14:22.03 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: if you do add the vers=3 option you still get no way of executing the program on the nfs partition. |
| 14:22.04 | jelly | Zopieux: and you probably want at least 1777 |
| 14:22.05 | elios | apm1: sry always install without x first, but ithought they throw gnome out. |
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| 14:22.18 | elios | threw* |
| 14:22.21 | Zopieux | why that, jelly? |
| 14:22.23 | apm1 | they didn't this time |
| 14:22.36 | elios | just a warning then huh ? ; ) |
| 14:22.46 | Zopieux | this folder will not contain any files, actually |
| 14:23.02 | apm1 | i honestly wish they should have , yeah pretty much the considerations were just vapors |
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| 14:23.21 | Zopieux | it is for apache fastcgi "ExternalServer" fake path (the folder has to exist but not the files) |
| 14:23.32 | dury | is there an option to install "Startup Disk Creator" package? |
| 14:23.39 | elios | does it rly matter. i mean you can install kde gnomeshell or any wm instead. |
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| 14:23.48 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: BTW the same line on a squeeze machine is working flawlessly on some 30 machines. |
| 14:23.51 | elios | after installing debian* |
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| 14:24.19 | apm1 | elios, no it doesn't matter but the meta package by the name of "default desktop" exists |
| 14:24.30 | apm1 | so its a philosophy/infrastructure flaw |
| 14:24.42 | elios | k |
| 14:24.57 | apm1 | i have seen people here say "nothing is default on debian" |
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| 14:25.35 | apm1 | well sirs and mams , please convey your thoughts to that metapackage maintainer |
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| 14:26.16 | apm1 | cause until there is the word "default" in the fucking title its not "nothing is default" |
| 14:26.30 | _martin | apm1 wb atm I feel well with xfc |
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| 14:26.42 | apm1 | _martin, :) |
| 14:26.44 | elios | its a good thing to have the oportunity to install without X |
| 14:26.45 | tharkun | apm1: Just whatch your language, there are kids around ;P |
| 14:26.58 | apm1 | lol will do |
| 14:27.07 | petn-randall | dury: No idea what you mean by that. What's the problem you want to solve, maybe we can help you with that. |
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| 14:27.49 | jeff_e47 | jelly: looking more deeply, I see an error about /dev/pts coming up when mountall.sh runs. Related or unrelated, do you think? |
| 14:28.06 | jelly | no idea |
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| 14:28.40 | jelly | Zopieux: in that case, there's no need to make it writable for everyone |
| 14:28.41 | jeff_e47 | anyone know if /dev/pts should be mounted in /etc/fstab, or leave it to /etc/init.d/mountall.sh? |
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| 14:29.00 | jelly | Zopieux: so make it 755 or 700 |
| 14:29.52 | themill | apm1: actually, there is no such package. But let's not let such facts get in the way of a good rant. |
| 14:29.59 | petn-randall | jeff_e47: What's the exact error message? You can configure /dev/pts to get mounted twice, then the second mount will just skip this. |
| 14:30.00 | dury | petn-randall: just to know if it's possible to install "startup disk creator" as in ubuntu in wheezy https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/usb-creator-gtk/ |
| 14:30.24 | tharkun | themill: How fluent are you whith wheezy nfs mount options? |
| 14:30.35 | themill | tharkun: I always regret touching nfs. |
| 14:30.37 | petn-randall | dury: No, you can create startup disks with dd. |
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| 14:31.18 | jeff_e47 | petn-randall: "Mounting local filesystems…. mount: according to mtab, devpts is already mounted on /dev/pts. Failed. /etc/init.d/mountall.sh: line 59: kill 920 1: arguments must be process or job IDs |
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| 14:31.19 | tharkun | themill: Thanks I know it is painful but then I'm stuck with it. |
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| 14:31.50 | dury | petn-randall, what's dd? |
| 14:31.57 | tharkun | !dd |
| 14:31.57 | dpkg | well, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 14:32.36 | petn-randall | dury: ^^ see above |
| 14:32.41 | xelan | Hello guys. I have to take care of some computer but the users don't always logout. Is it possible to do something like "if screen is locked -> logout user who locked the screen"? |
| 14:33.02 | tharkun | themill: bugging lamont on #d-d would be useful to set up a proper bug report or is it a waist of time? |
| 14:33.28 | jhutchins_wk | Last I checked the combination of kernel+initrd was greater than 2.88Mb and would no longer fit on two floppy discs. |
| 14:33.53 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: You plan on booting by floppy? Nice! |
| 14:34.01 | jhutchins_wk | It's been a LONG time since a standard kernel would fit on one, although there are bootable linux floppies. |
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| 14:35.25 | themill | tharkun: bug reports via the bts are always preferred to bug reports on irc |
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| 14:36.14 | jelly | "I'm not bothered by this nearly enough to write a single coherent mail" |
| 14:36.52 | tharkun | themill: Actually I'm new at writting bug reports. Asking for the correct way of testing the set up might be more helpfull. Or am I on the wrong path? |
| 14:36.59 | xelan | Ok, maybe this way: I found this on google "export TMOUT=60". But I don't know how idling is defined. What makes a user "idling"? |
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| 14:48.01 | greycat | On a ...->...->squeeze->wheezy box, I am getting failure emails loading /usr/lib/php5/20100525+lfs/suhosin.so which as near as I can tell is a result of having /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/suhosin.ini still on the box. Should I remove that? |
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| 14:49.02 | greycat | It's the only ordinary file in that directory, and it's dated Aug 19 2010. Everything else in that directory is a symlink to ../mods-available/*.ini |
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| 14:50.56 | moty66 | hello, how can I run iceweasel in X without running any desktop? |
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| 14:52.02 | apm1 | moty66, if you have X installed , just type iceweasel and it'll pop up |
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| 14:52.13 | karlpinc | I've been using bogofilter for years and have a 335Mb bdb wordlist file. I found that the db does not verify and am rebuilding it by dumping the wordlist and reloading into a new db. But it's taking >12 hours. Is this normal or is the broken db resulting in some sort of loop? (I'm trying to dump the db to /dev/null, but that's only been running for an hour or so. |
| 14:52.14 | apm1 | moty66, if you have X installed , just type iceweasel and it'll pop up |
| 14:52.28 | moty66 | apm1: yes, i installed X |
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| 14:52.54 | moty66 | apm1: Error: no display specified |
| 14:53.05 | greycat | You have to run 'startx' first to be *in* X. |
| 14:53.32 | greycat | You'll most likely want to install a window manager. Any of them will do. |
| 14:53.38 | apm1 | he doesn't want a WM |
| 14:53.50 | greycat | He said he doesn't want a "desktop", which I take to be GNOME or KDE. |
| 14:54.03 | apm1 | meh |
| 14:54.08 | karlpinc | moty66: And if you're starting iceweasel from a vt then you'll probably want -display 0:0 (I think.) |
| 14:54.16 | apm1 | i can tell he doesn't want a WM either |
| 14:54.22 | greycat | That's possible. |
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| 14:54.48 | themill | greycat: suhosin is no more, yes |
| 14:54.48 | elios | how about ratpoison ? |
| 14:54.53 | karlpinc | But X still needs to be started somewhere. |
| 14:54.57 | apm1 | thats a WM elios |
| 14:55.06 | greycat | themill: thanks |
| 14:55.08 | apm1 | and its a good one |
| 14:55.30 | moty66 | what I wanted to do, is to run a browser in a full screen without using kde, gnome,.. ect |
| 14:55.38 | elios | i prefer fluxbox but yes, it is a good one. |
| 14:55.39 | moty66 | using startx then run firefox is ok |
| 14:55.56 | apm1 | moty66, then whats stopping you ? |
| 14:55.58 | greycat | moty66: do you not want a window manager either? |
| 14:56.04 | moty66 | greycat: no |
| 14:56.10 | karlpinc | Can you get an infinite loop when dumping a broken bdb? |
| 14:56.16 | greycat | apm1: 1 greycat: 0 |
| 14:56.19 | moty66 | apm1: I didn't know how to do that |
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| 14:56.26 | karlpinc | moty66: startx is for you. You can tell it to start iceweasel. |
| 14:56.53 | karlpinc | moty66: All in one command. |
| 14:56.56 | apm1 | moty66, you didn't know how to type "startx " or you didn't know such a command existed ? |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | Iceweasel without a WM will be a huge pain in the ass if you open a second window. |
| 14:57.09 | moty66 | apm1: I didn't know about that command |
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| 14:57.12 | apm1 | ok |
| 14:57.20 | karlpinc | greycat: Sounds exciting. What would happen? |
| 14:57.39 | apm1 | indeed sounds interesting |
| 14:57.48 | greycat | I'd imagine you'd be stuck looking at whichever window is on top, because you wouldn't be able to resize them or move them. |
| 14:57.49 | elios | why install X anyways if you not even use a wm. waste of space imo |
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| 14:57.52 | apm1 | i am gonna go try it on a tty myself |
| 14:57.52 | karlpinc | There'd probably be no way to kill the 2nd window. |
| 14:58.12 | apm1 | elios, gui browser lad |
| 14:58.23 | apm1 | they need to be drawn by a windowing system |
| 14:58.31 | elios | lynx is a browser too ) |
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| 14:59.18 | elios | but i dont see a way around this, without installing some kind of windowmanager. |
| 14:59.33 | apm1 | elios, wake me up when i can watch youtube on lynx without a media player app streaming it |
| 14:59.44 | Naphatul | so apprently "xfce4" doesn't come with a login manager, which one does xfce usually use? |
| 14:59.45 | elios | You what ? |
| 14:59.48 | moty66 | apm1: how can I start it in display 0:0? |
| 14:59.50 | berarma | do you know some software that helps translating text in the desktop? For example, translating synaptic package descriptions |
| 14:59.50 | apm1 | that shit is awesome if you live in a cave |
| 15:00.04 | karlpinc | How much data is in a 335MB bdb file? I tried dumping it to the fs and got > 50G before I quit. |
| 15:00.27 | karlpinc | Naphatul: Anything. slim is nice and simple. |
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| 15:00.36 | apm1 | moty66, the display 0:0 refers to the virtual display that X is drawing the app on |
| 15:00.39 | elios | ^^ |
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| 15:00.51 | karlpinc | apm1: I live in a cave. |
| 15:01.09 | karlpinc | Naphatul: I don't know what's default with debian. |
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| 15:01.28 | apm1 | moty66, just type startx and open a terminal there and run the app there |
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| 15:01.50 | karlpinc | moty66: What are you really trying to do? |
| 15:02.15 | orange_ | Hey, quick question, does anyone know how I can make a keyboard shortcut for vim? I want to launch it directly like I can with geany instead of opening up terminal and typing "vim" every time. However when I tried to make a shortcut like geany it doesn't work (I suppose since it runs in terminal) how do I work around this? |
| 15:02.16 | apm1 | he kinda wants to do away with a DE |
| 15:02.24 | moty66 | karlpinc: I want a full-screen browser with the minimum installation |
| 15:02.33 | karlpinc | apm1: It's because I live in a cave that I think html-only docs suck. |
| 15:02.50 | apm1 | karlpinc, you prefer what format then ? |
| 15:02.52 | karlpinc | moty66: You want a gui login, or not? |
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| 15:03.32 | moty66 | karlpinc: no, just power on the system, and automatically open the browser with a local url |
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| 15:03.34 | orange_ | Anyone? |
| 15:03.56 | karlpinc | apm1: Anything easily read from the terminal is fine. (I'm sorta partial to docbook, which will generate any sort of output, but that's another issue.) |
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| 15:04.12 | elios | moty66: if you dont need flash or java, stick with lynx on the command line. |
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| 15:04.28 | apm1 | i use w3m bitches |
| 15:04.44 | karlpinc | moty66: In a vt? Do you want to have to start it or it's there at boot? |
| 15:04.44 | jelly | elinks-lite ftw. |
| 15:04.47 | moty66 | elios: I need flash sometimes |
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| 15:05.23 | karlpinc | I kinda prefer links. But I don't recall why. |
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| 15:05.44 | karlpinc | moty66: Some sort of kiosk-y thing? |
| 15:05.45 | elios | moty66: then install a wm without a login manager. |
| 15:05.48 | apm1 | w3m has the least commands and keybindings and renders shit just fine |
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| 15:06.30 | moty66 | karlpinc: I will face the problem about starting it later, right now, I need to run the browser in a fullscreen mode |
| 15:06.35 | apm1 | if he wants a kiosky thing then he should be better off with a debian derivative that specialises in this browser only market |
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| 15:07.07 | moty66 | karlpinc: with startx , the window size in not correct, it wont cover all the monitor size |
| 15:07.16 | orange__ | Does anyone know how I can make a keyboard shortcut to lanch vim? |
| 15:07.16 | karlpinc | apm1: Is there a sub-project? (I forget the vocabularly.) |
| 15:07.17 | moty66 | karlpinc: don't know why it is in vertical |
| 15:07.33 | moty66 | elios: I don't need a wm |
| 15:07.38 | apm1 | karlpinc, "derivative" and yes atleast 5 |
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| 15:08.10 | karlpinc | apm1: "derivitive" does not sound like official debian, like, say emdebian. |
| 15:08.19 | elios | moty66: have you tried lynx yet ? |
| 15:08.56 | apm1 | karlpinc, i never said anything abt it being officialy debian |
| 15:08.58 | karlpinc | moty66: What will you do if you wind up opening another window in ff? |
| 15:09.01 | moty66 | elios: I use lynx, but in this case I am looking to a modern browser, which support flash and javascript |
| 15:09.23 | karlpinc | apm1: That was my question. If there was something offical for kiosks. |
| 15:09.26 | apm1 | moty66, look at this http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=webconverger |
| 15:09.35 | moty66 | karlpinc: in my case, this will not happen, because no mouse or keyboard are connected to this pc |
| 15:09.37 | apm1 | karlpinc, iirc there is nothing like that |
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| 15:10.42 | karlpinc | moty66: Simple enough. Ok.... Isn't there X arguments you can pass to startx to tell the server the resolution you want? There's a way to pass arguments to the started X server. But I don't recall the arguments to X. |
| 15:10.44 | elios | moty66: how about a live distro with X and swanky desktop environment ? |
| 15:11.37 | berarma | why not use a login manager with automatic login and put the program you want to start in ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 15:12.03 | orange__ | Does anyone know how I can make a keyboard shortcut to lanch vim? |
| 15:12.11 | karlpinc | moty66: Or maybe you need an argument to ff to tell it to use the right window size. See "man X" "GEOMEMETRY SPECIFICATIONS". |
| 15:12.12 | greycat | If 'startx' fails to detect the correct resolution, you probably need to create a config file for X. |
| 15:12.19 | moty66 | elios: why live cd? |
| 15:12.20 | CalimeroTeknik | mk-build-deps badmouthing the other debhelpers ^^ http://sprunge.us/MDNc |
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| 15:12.40 | greycat | Unless you're saying that the xterm window which you got from 'startx' with no WM is smaller than the display, because that's totally normal. |
| 15:12.44 | elios | moty66: so you dont have to install a wm or a desktop envirnment |
| 15:12.46 | nickgaw | Hi, I have an asus laptop with a wireless network card and have made a complete backup on my drive as I wish to install debian 7.0 on it does the text based installation support wireless networking? |
| 15:13.10 | elios | moty66: you can even get rid of X on your local platter |
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| 15:13.26 | orange__ | nickgaw: I don't believe it does, but I could be wrong. |
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| 15:13.34 | greycat | On the other hand, if you ran 'startx iceweasel' and the iceweasel window is "too small", then you need to configure iceweasel to start up at whatever size you need. |
| 15:13.39 | jelly | karlpinc: the specs for virulent ideas and thoughts dispersed over a geographical area |
| 15:13.40 | elios | moty66: or dualboot |
| 15:13.52 | moty66 | elios: yes, I don't want to install any WM, what I am asking for, what are the minimum requirements to run a browser in a fullscreen mode |
| 15:13.59 | orange__ | nickgaw: I would just bridge a connection to set it up, and then install wireless drivers |
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| 15:14.21 | karlpinc | jelly: That's virulence for you. (Uh, what?) |
| 15:14.35 | greycat | moty66: You need X, and it needs to be able to detect your hardware *or* you need to configure it if not, and you need to configure the APPLICATION (browser) to start at the correct size and location. |
| 15:14.49 | jelly | karlpinc: "GEOMEMETRY SPECIFICATIONS" |
| 15:15.15 | karlpinc | jelly: Ah. I never really have absobed X. I poke it with a stick to get it to work. |
| 15:15.21 | nickgaw | on the debian installation page it says wireless cards are supported but some other type of card is not supported but the question is what type of card are they talking about and how do I know what one I have? |
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| 15:15.45 | karlpinc | moty66: ff should take an arg to tell it how big to be (so you don't have to mess with config files) But I've not tried it. |
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| 15:15.55 | greycat | karlpinc: good luck with that. |
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| 15:16.13 | moty66 | greycat: thanks for the hints, I guess this is the only solution for now |
| 15:16.45 | karlpinc | greycat: I just poked xdm into submission for an X client. I seem to have to think about it every debian release or so. |
| 15:16.46 | psamim | I am really hopeless, is there anyway to have a more updated version of curl on debian squeeze? |
| 15:17.01 | karlpinc | !tell psamim about backports |
| 15:17.27 | elios | just X for running a browser ...dunno |
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| 15:18.03 | jelly | opera -kioskhelp |
| 15:18.05 | jelly | hides |
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| 15:19.02 | apm1 | just run netconverger |
| 15:19.10 | nickgaw | just in case where can I download the DVD of none-free firmware? |
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| 15:19.19 | psamim | karlpinc: thanks, but there is no backports package for curl in squeeze! is it? |
| 15:19.25 | apm1 | its everything you specified moty66 |
| 15:19.31 | _Naphatul | how can i add contrib and contrib non-free? |
| 15:19.58 | jelly | _Naphatul: " contrib non-free" includes " contrib" |
| 15:20.04 | nickgaw | edit sources.list and add it after everything else on the line. |
| 15:20.13 | _Naphatul | ok but how do i add it? i tried several variations |
| 15:20.14 | karlpinc | psamim: Dunno. You could try <ssb>. (There's a judd command to test for dependencies, but I forget what it is.) |
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| 15:20.28 | jelly | _Naphatul: just replace instances of "main" with "main contrib non-free" |
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| 15:20.49 | jelly | _Naphatul: same line, no wrapping, nothing more |
| 15:21.06 | karlpinc | _Naphatul: You'll have to "aptitude update" afterwords (or apt-get). |
| 15:21.42 | _Naphatul | thanks, i was adding new lines for it didn't know i had to edit the existing ones |
| 15:21.50 | karlpinc | Any suggestions on where I could go to ask about a bdb (bd5) problem? |
| 15:22.11 | jelly | uh.... ##oracle? |
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| 15:22.19 | psamim | When i want to install a package from wheeze on squeeze (curl), it depends on 'multiarch-support'. Is there any way to resolve this/ |
| 15:22.21 | moty66 | apm1: I am trying to figure how to run the broswer in fullscreen by default, so thanks |
| 15:22.39 | jelly | karlpinc: /msg alis list *berkel* ? |
| 15:22.41 | becker_11 | I'm currently running the most minimal net install possible and I've just now installed xorg and all the dependancies that brings with it. But I get a .Xauthority doesn't exist error |
| 15:22.53 | becker_11 | I thought anyone could run startx |
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| 15:24.02 | karlpinc | jelly: That /msg didn't seem to do anything. |
| 15:24.38 | apm1 | moty66, dude netconverger does that by defaults |
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| 15:25.21 | karlpinc | apm1: Gotta say, I like running debian. For one thing you can get help. :-) |
| 15:25.57 | karlpinc | jelly: Never mind. It put the answer in my freenode window. |
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| 15:26.59 | moty66 | R-kiosk works fine with Iceweasel |
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| 15:29.25 | elios | r-kisok ? |
| 15:29.34 | elios | kiosk* |
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| 15:30.08 | Desert_eagle | hi2all |
| 15:30.25 | Desert_eagle | how could i debug shell login process? |
| 15:30.47 | apm1 | by telling us the problem |
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| 15:30.53 | Desert_eagle | )) |
| 15:31.00 | elios | moty66: what is r-kiosk ? |
| 15:31.32 | Desert_eagle | my umask is wrong |
| 15:31.33 | _Naphatul | where am i supposed to install stuff that's not a deb? |
| 15:31.41 | moty66 | an add-on to run iceweasel in fullscreen mode inside X |
| 15:32.00 | becker_11 | what do I need to configure for my user so they can run 'start x'? |
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| 15:32.21 | greycat | By default any user on a Linux /dev/tty[1-6] text console can run 'startx'. |
| 15:32.27 | Desert_eagle | https://dpaste.de/uwyIA/ |
| 15:32.35 | greycat | If your user is not on /dev/tty1 or whatever, then you have to configure things. |
| 15:33.00 | CalimeroTeknik | what init system is debian using now? |
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| 15:33.43 | becker_11 | greycat: I did a net install and installed xorg but there isn't an Xauthority file and it says I'm not authorised to run the x server |
| 15:33.54 | greycat | CalimeroTeknik: "Dependency based booting" in System V init. |
| 15:33.55 | yaf_elec | I need to install python2.7 env. In my repos there is python 2.3 - 2.6 and python3, but no python 2.7. Any help ? |
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| 15:34.08 | becker_11 | greycat: I've never heard of the Xauthority file |
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| 15:34.19 | greycat | becker_11: are you logged in on /dev/tty1? |
| 15:34.32 | themill | yaf_elec: what's in your sources.list? → http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:34.58 | greycat | becker_11: .Xauthority is normally created for you by startx and other things, so you don't have to worry about it |
| 15:35.07 | becker_11 | greycat: I believe so. I booted and logged in to the terminal that came up |
| 15:35.29 | apm1 | becker_11, do you use the alias sector11 ? |
| 15:35.29 | greycat | The 'tty' command will tell you. |
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| 15:35.48 | becker_11 | apm1: my only alias is becker_11 |
| 15:35.50 | yaf_elec | themill, http://paste.debian.net/11574/ |
| 15:36.05 | apm1 | ah sorry mistook you for a friend becker_11 |
| 15:36.20 | becker_11 | greycat: bingo! I was/am running inside screen |
| 15:36.41 | CalimeroTeknik | so it's scripts on systemV, good! systemd does indeed have obvious defects (journald, notably) |
| 15:36.51 | themill | yaf_elec: python2.7 is the default python in wheezy. You could upgrade to wheezy to solve your problem. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:36.57 | becker_11 | greycat: so I'm in /dev/pts/1 |
| 15:37.09 | greycat | becker_11: I'd strongly suggest you not try to start X from within screen |
| 15:37.10 | themill | CalimeroTeknik: why is an optional component that complements other things a defect? |
| 15:37.25 | becker_11 | greycat: it wasn't intentional |
| 15:37.29 | greycat | Ah. |
| 15:37.33 | yaf_elec | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.36 | yaf_elec | oh :) |
| 15:37.45 | greycat | With no leading space. |
| 15:37.49 | themill | oh wait. it's systemd we're talking about. Couldn't let facts get in the way. |
| 15:38.14 | vanting | Hi. I made a php script to change my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname on boot.. But I'm not quite sure, how I make the system apply the hostname |
| 15:38.18 | CalimeroTeknik | themill, for the sake of allegedly faster requests on logs, journald consumes much I/O, mapping, and memory |
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| 15:38.45 | greycat | vanting: how do "php script" and "on boot" fit together here? |
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| 15:39.16 | CalimeroTeknik | people often complain that it's eating some resource (mostly processor or disk IO), which never happened with the systemV logger |
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| 15:39.31 | vanting | greycat, well, I thought the "how to apply the hostname after editing the files" would fit. |
| 15:39.50 | greycat | vanting: without rebooting? Run "hostname yournewname". |
| 15:39.56 | MO_Handes | my touchscreen monitor does not work in wheezy but works in ubuntu. I believe I can fix it by installing the new kernel. what is the latest kernel I can install? |
| 15:40.08 | _Naphatul | so where am i supposed to install non .deb programs? i want to install firefox |
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| 15:40.23 | greycat | _Naphatul: /usr/local or /opt |
| 15:41.09 | CalimeroTeknik | you can package in /opt, or install dirtily in /usr/local |
| 15:41.11 | vanting | greycat, yeah exactly. Thanks. |
| 15:42.50 | MO_Handes | what is the latest kernel available in debian repositories (unstable, testing, etc...) ? |
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| 15:43.09 | apm1 | MO_Handes, experimental has 3.9 |
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| 15:43.50 | MO_Handes | how can I have multiple boot options to boot into different kernels ? |
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| 15:44.09 | greycat | Install all the kernels you want, and a GRUB menu will be constructed with all of them in it by default. |
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| 15:45.14 | initself | i installed software on a 64-bit server via apt and 32-bit versions installed |
| 15:45.19 | initself | what could have caused that? |
| 15:45.28 | initself | file $(which perl) |
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| 15:45.33 | yaf_elec | I'll modify my sources.list. "note that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors" |
| 15:45.38 | initself | /usr/bin/perl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 15:45.38 | yaf_elec | how should I handle this ? |
| 15:45.54 | yaf_elec | (every time I upgrade or change that file... things brake :/ |
| 15:46.38 | Sevet_ | yaf_elec: wheezy-backports are on the main servers now, so you change the url as well as codename for that line |
| 15:46.40 | MO_Handes | greycat, if I like to just install kernel from experimental repositories and I don't like it to affect other packages I should I change it in sources.list? |
| 15:46.51 | Sevet_ | yaf_elec: see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:47.04 | greycat | I do not touch experimental, so I can't answer that. |
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| 15:48.06 | apm1 | i am pissed at something right now although i can answer it but i am too damn angry at someone else that currently i can't |
| 15:48.18 | apm1 | bbl |
| 15:48.56 | jelly | initself: "dpkg --print-architecture" will tell you whether you have a 32bit ("i386") or 64bit ("amd64") Debian userspace installed |
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| 15:50.13 | initself | jelly: what determines what kind of userspace is installed? |
| 15:50.29 | initself | because i started off with a 64-bit install and installed my files via apt like i always do |
| 15:50.34 | greycat | Which CD you installed from. |
| 15:50.45 | jelly | initself: the installer you used. In case of the 32+64bit combo installer, the CPU features it detected |
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| 15:51.50 | MO_Handes | what is the difference between experimental and unstable? |
| 15:51.54 | initself | jelly: my installed was just apt-get |
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| 15:52.06 | initself | oh, the CD i installed |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | initself: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
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| 15:52.26 | initself | jelly: i386 |
| 15:52.34 | jelly | initself: that's a 32bit debian |
| 15:52.35 | initself | but uname -a shows 64-bit |
| 15:52.43 | jelly | initself: that's a 64bit kernel, only |
| 15:53.09 | initself | how can 32 bit software be installed with a 64 bit kernel? |
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| 15:53.26 | zaltekk | the kernel can support the 32bit abi |
| 15:53.32 | zaltekk | and you need to install 32bit libs and etc |
| 15:53.34 | jelly | initself: the kernel is compatible with both i386 and amd64 userspace. |
| 15:53.49 | greycat | The 64-bit kernels can run both kinds of software. This lets you install 32-bit non-Debian programs on an amd64 box and run them. |
| 15:53.59 | jelly | initself: incidentally, I use this same setup on my workstations. |
| 15:54.22 | zaltekk | when you see a distro without 32bit compat it's because they didn't tackle the issue of having a 32bit and 64bit collection of binaries(or didn't want to dirty the system with it) |
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| 15:54.28 | jelly | greycat: it also lets you install 64-bit non-debian programs on an i386 install. |
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| 15:54.49 | jelly | zaltekk: RHEL has had that feature since RHEL4, 2005 or so. |
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| 15:55.15 | zaltekk | jelly: right. but not all distros do it. and some do it much less elegantly |
| 15:55.17 | xelan | how can I automatically logout idling GUI User? |
| 15:55.19 | jelly | zaltekk: debian was the one late to the game, mostly because they like to do things the Right Way |
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| 15:56.51 | karlpinc | The answer is, yes, there is an infinite loop when the bdb does not verify. I used bd5.1_dump -r | db5.1_load to recover. Without the -r it runs forever. |
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| 15:57.12 | zaltekk | jelly: haven't noticed. i *very rarely* use anything that requires 32bit |
| 15:57.24 | zaltekk | usually only when i need a binary blob to run on my desktop |
| 15:57.38 | jelly | karlpinc: if you can, you might want to save the broken db someplace and report the bug to the distro |
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| 15:57.41 | greycat | Firefox and Dwarf Fortress. |
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| 15:57.53 | jelly | and wine |
| 15:57.59 | zaltekk | never used wine before |
| 15:58.01 | greycat | Although there are amd64 firefoxes out there if you dig REALLY hard. But they make it hard as hell to find them. |
| 15:58.20 | jelly | and reasonably stable adobe flash |
| 15:58.33 | karlpinc | jelly: (This is the distro. :-) I'll bitch to bogofilter, which does not have the option in their version of a dump command. (Hey, if a db is broken, it's broken....) |
| 15:58.40 | zaltekk | hmm. the 64bit seemed to work alright for me when i used it |
| 15:58.49 | zaltekk | though i don't think i even have it setup on this machine |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | karlpinc: it shouldn't have become broken with normal use. |
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| 15:59.28 | MO_Handes | what iceweasel-release means and refers to in this line in sources.list? deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release |
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| 15:59.45 | The_Machine | Hi. I don't know much about linux or debian, but I've been tasked with P2V an old debian box that is running an in-house application. Version 2.2.19. After the P2V i get "operating system not found" which makes me think the MBR/LILO is corrupt. |
| 15:59.55 | greycat | MO_Handes: that's a third party repository, so it means whatever they decided it means |
| 16:00.05 | jelly | The_Machine: version 2.2.19 of what? |
| 16:00.10 | greycat | Literally, it is a directory name on their server. |
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| 16:00.14 | karlpinc | jelly: Who knows. This is about 15 years of spam filtering. I think I had to upgrade the db when I went to squeeze, but I've ignored it since (although I've been continuting to build it.) I'll put a cron job out there to verify the db integrity so it does not happen again (or rather, I'll recover from backup.) |
| 16:00.37 | The_Machine | Could I download a relatively recent version of debian and run this magical "linux rescue" command? |
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| 16:00.48 | The_Machine | of the linux kernel. |
| 16:00.54 | karlpinc | jelly: There's been crashes and so forth. Anything could have happened. (I upgraded to wheeze with smart getting me disk read warnings....) |
| 16:00.57 | jelly | The_Machine: oh. OH. |
| 16:01.00 | karlpinc | (onto a new box) |
| 16:01.22 | The_Machine | yea. :\ doesn't help that i don't know much about the OS either. |
| 16:01.30 | MO_Handes | what is the difference of wheezy and wheezy-updates in sources.list? |
| 16:01.33 | The_Machine | still, tasked to do it. Could use a point in a direction. |
| 16:01.52 | karlpinc | The_Machine: P2V? |
| 16:02.11 | The_Machine | Physical to virtual conversion of a old whitebox to VMware ESXi host |
| 16:02.16 | jelly | karlpinc: migration of a physical machine to a VM |
| 16:03.01 | jelly | The_Machine: this is horribly old. Normally I'd point you to read /msg dpkg reinstall grub |
| 16:03.04 | The_Machine | I could use a rescue disk, but i'm not sure if it will rescue a bad MBR/lilo bootloader or whatever it is. |
| 16:03.14 | The_Machine | it is horribly old. |
| 16:03.29 | The_Machine | Yea. I was thinking I would reinstall LILO. |
| 16:03.35 | karlpinc | The_Machine: Well, if it's only the bootloader/mbr then you should be able to use an install image to re-install grub, right from the installer..... Better tell whether it's lilo or grub. |
| 16:03.38 | The_Machine | I was wondering if it would be easy with a modern linux distro. |
| 16:03.49 | The_Machine | (as a boot disk) |
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| 16:03.52 | The_Machine | I can't upgrade the OS |
| 16:03.56 | The_Machine | it'll break too much stuff. |
| 16:04.08 | jelly | The_Machine: but you're going to need a suitably antique rescue image that's compatible with the userspace from that machine to reinstall lilo and make appropriate fixes to the fstab and boot loader and initrd configuration |
| 16:04.11 | The_Machine | I don't know enough to transfer that stuff over either (PHP versions screw it up a lot) |
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| 16:04.24 | The_Machine | here's a question |
| 16:04.38 | The_Machine | if someone wants to install grub instead of lilo - is that possible? |
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| 16:04.39 | greycat | You really do not want to be running a PHP version from the time period when Linux 2.2.x was in use. |
| 16:04.40 | The_Machine | I thought it was |
| 16:04.44 | greycat | At least not if it's exposed to the Internet. |
| 16:04.45 | jelly | The_Machine: it's possible. |
| 16:04.48 | The_Machine | greycat - it's only for internal use |
| 16:04.54 | The_Machine | it isn't accessible. |
| 16:05.09 | The_Machine | heh. though it was for like 5 years before I took it off. |
| 16:05.09 | jelly | The_Machine: moreso, it's possible without messing up the rest of the OS ;-) |
| 16:05.09 | karlpinc | The_Machine: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 16:05.40 | The_Machine | ah, potato |
| 16:05.44 | jelly | The_Machine: I'd hire someone that remembers how to deal with debian that old. |
| 16:05.55 | karlpinc | lilo |
| 16:05.58 | The_Machine | jelly - that isn't possible, unfortunately. |
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| 16:06.16 | The_Machine | i'll get potato and snapshot the OS |
| 16:06.19 | The_Machine | see if anything can come of it |
| 16:06.26 | jelly | sounds like a plan |
| 16:06.45 | zaltekk | the longer you wait to upgrade things like PHP, the more painful the process will be |
| 16:06.48 | jelly | The_Machine: which OS did you pick for that VM? |
| 16:07.03 | zaltekk | saying it's too much work to upgrade PHP becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy |
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| 16:07.17 | The_Machine | I don't understand the question jelly |
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| 16:07.46 | The_Machine | zaltekk - they just need a VM of it. It is closed and done with after that. |
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| 16:08.09 | greycat | Until they call you again. |
| 16:08.17 | jelly | The_Machine: when creating a VM in vsphere client, there's an option to choose the OS that's going to be installed. It somewhat affects what the emulated hardware looks like. |
| 16:08.32 | The_Machine | nods |
| 16:08.39 | MO_Handes | it should be fun using potato todays, but my laptop does not meet the dependencies |
| 16:08.45 | The_Machine | this was a P2V rather than installing the OS and then doing an rsync or whatever over to it |
| 16:09.05 | The_Machine | i tried to get images, tried dd, not experienced enough to rsync it over |
| 16:09.11 | The_Machine | this P2V actually compeleted |
| 16:09.11 | jelly | yeah, I don't know what P2V does |
| 16:09.24 | The_Machine | I suspect that once I get LILO/grub working that it will be OK |
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| 16:10.04 | jelly | (I mean, I know it tars up the whole thing, adapts fstab and /etc/network/interfaces a bit, and some other bits, but I don't know how it chooses the OS to set up) |
| 16:10.23 | The_Machine | doesn't know those details either |
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| 16:10.54 | The_Machine | who calls their OS "potato"? haha |
| 16:11.18 | jelly | The_Machine: yes, if you're emulating buslogic scsi and rtl2000 or something that 2.2 kernel actually had drivers for, you should be fine |
| 16:11.19 | greycat | Debian releases are named for Toy Story characters. |
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| 16:12.02 | mullein | the_machine, you got something against potatoes? |
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| 16:12.18 | The_Machine | censors himself |
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| 16:12.51 | jelly | The_Machine: but if P2V set up e1000 or $deity forbid vmxnet for network, you're going to have issues |
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| 16:14.02 | The_Machine | can't even boot it, so :P |
| 16:14.06 | The_Machine | Adapter shows "Flexible" |
| 16:14.25 | jelly | just how flexible is it? :-) |
| 16:14.59 | apm1 | The_Machine, i see you crossed the slack threshhold there :p |
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| 16:15.31 | The_Machine | doesn't know what that means. |
| 16:15.58 | timmmaaaayyy | hey all....looking for a little help with an NFS mount. i used to mount/unmount it all the time without any issues. i reformatted my machine, and now it seems like everytime i mount the drive it refuses to unmount saying the device is busy. is this common? |
| 16:16.06 | apm1 | The_Machine, you do remember me from #slackware |
| 16:16.29 | The_Machine | apm1 - i think you have me confused with someone else. I'm a loser who doesn't know anything about linux. |
| 16:17.07 | apm1 | damn , sorry , today is a bad day for me , i am mistaking people for friends |
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| 16:17.16 | Silent | Hello :) |
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| 16:17.46 | The_Machine | no worries! today is a crazy day for me too. |
| 16:17.53 | Silent | How can I remove *everything* but busybox and the kernel, so I have the bare minimum needed to boot? |
| 16:18.26 | apm1 | Silent, dpkg -policy |
| 16:18.47 | apm1 | except for kernel and busybox apt-get purge everything |
| 16:18.58 | The_Machine | guys - let's say I want to just try to install grub (I can't find where to get a potato i386 iso anywhere) - do I have to keep the same version of the kernel i'm working with? |
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| 16:19.14 | The_Machine | What's a good rescue CD? :/ |
| 16:19.21 | The_Machine | has to try something.. |
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| 16:20.29 | apm1 | The_Machine, did you check the old stable archives for the iso ? |
| 16:20.40 | apm1 | cause i remember seeing an iso there |
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| 16:20.53 | Silent | apm1 Should I run "dpkg -policy" ? |
| 16:20.53 | The_Machine | i was just looking but there weren't any download links or anything |
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| 16:21.14 | jelly | apm1: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ does NOT have any iso images for debian 2.2 |
| 16:21.34 | jelly | The_Machine: a woody .iso might work tho |
| 16:21.44 | Silent | dpkg -policy |
| 16:21.45 | dpkg | Silent: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:21.45 | The_Machine | nods |
| 16:21.59 | Silent | What |
| 16:22.05 | The_Machine | I thought you could get them all |
| 16:22.08 | jelly | if it were there. |
| 16:22.10 | The_Machine | this is strange. |
| 16:22.13 | jelly | The_Machine: "too old" |
| 16:22.21 | apm1 | ah well i was shitting in my diaper when you guys ran potato |
| 16:22.23 | The_Machine | which version of woody should I try it with? |
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| 16:22.44 | greycat | !potato |
| 16:22.44 | The_Machine | 3.1 r8? |
| 16:22.44 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. Get old potato ISOs here: http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/potato/2.2_rev7/iso/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
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| 16:22.54 | jelly | huh |
| 16:23.14 | apm1 | see i knew the iso exists :) |
| 16:23.20 | The_Machine | nice! |
| 16:23.38 | greycat | I can't vouch for anything the bot says about 13 year old software. You'll have to take your chances. |
| 16:23.42 | The_Machine | haha |
| 16:23.50 | The_Machine | holds you 100% responsible. |
| 16:23.56 | jelly | The_Machine: 3.0 would be... http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:23.58 | The_Machine | aw, it's gone |
| 16:24.04 | jelly | first cd only |
| 16:24.06 | greycat | Also, god damn, has it really been 13 years?! |
| 16:24.15 | The_Machine | yep. 2000. |
| 16:24.20 | The_Machine | does know that much |
| 16:24.27 | jelly | !release history |
| 16:24.28 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch |
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| 16:24.48 | The_Machine | i didn't realize Toy STory was out then. |
| 16:24.53 | apm1 | my first debian install was a squeeze |
| 16:25.03 | mullein | toy story was out in 1995 |
| 16:25.14 | jelly | [ObXkcd] |
| 16:25.18 | The_Machine | shakes his head |
| 16:25.20 | greycat | One of the Debian founders worked at Pixar. |
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| 16:25.30 | apm1 | i am a wee lad |
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| 16:25.39 | apm1 | i wasn't even born in 1995 |
| 16:25.43 | The_Machine | heh |
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| 16:26.08 | apm1 | i won't say bruce is a founder |
| 16:26.09 | apm1 | yes he was a DPL |
| 16:26.17 | The_Machine | stop reminding me of my age, youngin. |
| 16:26.19 | apm1 | the most influential perhaps |
| 16:26.29 | apm1 | founder = Ian murdoch |
| 16:26.41 | apm1 | nobody else |
| 16:27.00 | greycat | OK, some other word that's different from "founder". |
| 16:27.32 | apm1 | "pioneer" |
| 16:27.36 | apm1 | that fits |
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| 16:27.43 | The_Machine | This is broken: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:27.46 | The_Machine | the link |
| 16:27.48 | The_Machine | the DVD is there though |
| 16:27.52 | The_Machine | should I just get that? |
| 16:28.21 | jelly | The_Machine: it's a directory! |
| 16:28.21 | abrotman | why do you want 3.0 ? |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | do i want to know ? |
| 16:28.31 | The_Machine | abrotman - no. |
| 16:28.31 | jelly | abrotman: because there's no 2.2 |
| 16:28.33 | The_Machine | you don't. |
| 16:28.35 | The_Machine | haha |
| 16:28.43 | apm1 | lol |
| 16:28.59 | abrotman | !lol |
| 16:28.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:29.16 | The_Machine | AOL? |
| 16:29.34 | apm1 | !meh |
| 16:29.35 | dpkg | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meh&f=1 |
| 16:29.45 | greycat | If you're digging up software from 2000, you should remember AOL. |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | especially since AOL still technically exists |
| 16:30.13 | The_Machine | greycat - LOL wasn't really huge with AOL users AFAIK |
| 16:30.19 | abrotman | yes, it was |
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| 16:30.24 | abrotman | and is .. and children |
| 16:30.51 | greycat | I wouldn't know about that part, since I wasn't ever an AOL user. |
| 16:30.53 | The_Machine | thinks you're fighting a losing battle vs. the lolers |
| 16:31.00 | MO_Handes | what should I do if I sometimes like to install some packages from unstable repository but I like my other packages be upgraded with stable repository? |
| 16:31.02 | jelly | abrotman: a virtualized potato does not boot. |
| 16:31.10 | The_Machine | haha jelly :) |
| 16:31.26 | The_Machine | "Operating system not found" - lilo doesn't come up |
| 16:31.31 | abrotman | jelly: i'm shocked .. |
| 16:31.33 | The_Machine | getting woody to see if I can rescue it |
| 16:31.40 | abrotman | MO_Handes: probably not do that .. |
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| 16:31.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MO_Handes about ssb |
| 16:31.59 | apm1 | The_Machine, don't say "getting woody" |
| 16:32.00 | jelly | The_Machine: did the P2V make a separate /boot partition at the beginning of the (first) disk or not? |
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| 16:32.11 | apm1 | it implies something completely different |
| 16:32.24 | abrotman | apm1: ... |
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| 16:32.33 | The_Machine | hehe |
| 16:32.39 | greycat | apm1: But penis jokes are the most fun part of having to run woody! |
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| 16:32.58 | apm1 | :p |
| 16:33.15 | jelly | greycat: upgrading your woody would have been the end of those |
| 16:33.21 | MO_Handes | abrotman, it's not possible? so I install the package I want from unstable then remove it from sources.list? |
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| 16:33.40 | abrotman | MO_Handes: fine, go ahead, enjoy the busted system |
| 16:34.34 | MO_Handes | abrotman, what's the alternative? I don't have an idea what that ssb means and why I have to download sources and make them myself? |
| 16:34.36 | greycat | jelly: There were a lot of penis jokes here during that time. I remember it well. |
| 16:34.40 | jelly | MO_Handes: it's VERY likely going to result in partially upgraded dependencies and what people in here like to call "frankendebian", a system with different parts of different releases |
| 16:34.42 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 16:34.43 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Wheezy, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 16:35.29 | Silent | How can I purge all installed packages except ones that I define? |
| 16:35.34 | apm1 | this has to be the best dpkg bot answer ever ! |
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| 16:36.06 | apm1 | Silent, by typin their names after apt-get purge |
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| 16:36.17 | apm1 | *typing |
| 16:36.37 | jelly | MO_Handes: ssb is a procedure to build a package version from "sid" using matching dependencies from your currently installed release. This doesn't upgrade anything but that one package, and is acceptable |
| 16:36.39 | apm1 | and "dpkg -policy" lists all the packages installed on the system |
| 16:37.06 | greycat | In some cases you may need to build dependent packages yourself. It can be a bit of a pain. |
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| 16:37.17 | MO_Handes | abrotman, jelly, isn't there a way to make priorities for the package manager? to use a single repository with the higher priority? |
| 16:37.20 | greycat | But installing unstable binary pacakges on stable is VERY bad. |
| 16:37.27 | jelly | MO_Handes: that won't help. |
| 16:37.48 | jelly | MO_Handes: yes, it's possible, it's called "pinning", and it won't help, |
| 16:37.50 | Silent | Can't I just apt-get purge * ? |
| 16:38.08 | apm1 | its basically abt the newer versions of the dependencies thats whats lacking |
| 16:38.13 | Silent | It's not practical to write every package name in the system, I need to purge all but some |
| 16:38.20 | jelly | MO_Handes: which specific package are you interested in? |
| 16:38.29 | apm1 | Silent, idk |
| 16:38.35 | MO_Handes | jelly, linux-image 3.9.1 |
| 16:38.36 | jelly | Silent: you want to revert to just the base system? |
| 16:38.59 | apm1 | he just wants busybox and the kernel jelly |
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| 16:39.15 | Silent | I want to have the bare minimum installation needed to boot, so I can later install another distro's userspace |
| 16:39.20 | jelly | apm1: that's not debian, then. |
| 16:39.34 | apm1 | his problem not mine jelly |
| 16:39.50 | apm1 | Silent 's problem i mean |
| 16:39.51 | jelly | Silent: just reinstall the base system, then. |
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| 16:40.35 | apm1 | another distro's userspace won't work on a full debian base system |
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| 16:41.20 | Silent | I wanna get ALpine Linux running on Debian's kernes essentially |
| 16:41.38 | Silent | It's an OpenVZ host, so I can't touch the kernel, |
| 16:41.50 | apm1 | Silent, you should have never mentioned anything abt your final goal that is to mutilate a pure debian system and make it into a frankenstine's monster |
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| 16:41.55 | Silent | Everything else I want removed. I could just provide an image, but the host doesn't support that |
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| 16:42.13 | apm1 | people are known for Debian only elitism here |
| 16:42.23 | Ryushin | I'm trying to remember a tool I used a few months ago. It was a bit like atop. I used it to check disk latency and throughput. I think it started with a D. |
| 16:42.26 | jelly | Silent: oh. you can't use debian's (or any custom) kernel inside an openvz VPS anyway! |
| 16:42.39 | Ryushin | It did not have "*top" in it. |
| 16:43.15 | Silent | Yeah I know. As far as I understand, the host provides the kernel. I want to convert the base OVZ image, which is Debian, into Alpine |
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| 16:43.54 | Silent | Someone once told me I should get busybox and use that to remove everything and the fetch the Alpine tarball and install it |
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| 16:45.12 | jelly | Silent: you could first install it in a chroot, start a static shell like busybox-static, and carefully switch the directories around |
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| 16:45.41 | jelly | Silent: install busybox-static and experiment away |
| 16:46.10 | The_Machine | well, i have to wait forever for this DVD to download. Thank you guys for chatting with me about the potato P2V fail. I do appreciate that you would give me the time. |
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| 16:46.15 | jelly | Silent: sash is an alternative similar shell |
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| 16:47.10 | jelly | The_Machine: you couldn't get the download for first woody cd going? |
| 16:47.22 | Silent | jelly I see. It does have a chroot installation guide. What do you mean by switch the directories around? Can't I just delete all but /dev/* and copy over the chroot? |
| 16:47.22 | txomon|fon | hi, I am getting dpkg-gencontrol: error: no package stanza found in control info, but I don't understand what is wrong |
| 16:47.32 | txomon|fon | (I am packaging) |
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| 16:47.42 | jelly | Silent: delete, mv, same difference |
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| 16:48.26 | jelly | The_Machine: HEAD http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/debian-30r6-i386-binary-1.iso command said it was there |
| 16:48.46 | heikoo | is there any relatively easy way to install compiz 0.9 on stable or testing? |
| 16:48.56 | Silent | jelly I'm sorry, you confused me. Will what I just said work or not? |
| 16:49.03 | jelly | Silent: it might. |
| 16:49.09 | The_Machine | it's working now :) |
| 16:49.11 | Silent | I fear I will delete something that I need to boot |
| 16:49.30 | Silent | Well other than /boot |
| 16:49.45 | jelly | Silent: I do not know how openvz boot process works, whether there's something special about the way they start /sbin/init or not |
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| 16:50.56 | Silent | I see |
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| 16:51.06 | jelly | Silent: all the normal stuff in /boot probably doesn't get used, since openvz does not touch or use your own kernel or kernel modules. |
| 16:51.40 | MO_Handes | abrotman, jelly, for using ssb, why this dpkg wants me to enable debian-backports while the package I want to install is in sid ? |
| 16:52.04 | jelly | MO_Handes: sorry, I missed your answer about which package it was |
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| 16:52.13 | jelly | oh, kernel |
| 16:52.19 | MO_Handes | jelly, linux-image-3.9.1 |
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| 16:52.42 | knyl | I want to use DenyHosts to keep my VPS secure... but I have a dynamic IP address, not too sure what I can do. |
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| 16:53.33 | jelly | MO_Handes: that one will require a backprot of initramfs-tools as well |
| 16:53.44 | jelly | ,checkbackport linux |
| 16:53.45 | judd | Backporting package linux in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, wheezy. |
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| 16:54.15 | jelly | ,checkbackport linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 |
| 16:54.17 | judd | Backporting package linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, wheezy. |
| 16:54.30 | jelly | or maybe not |
| 16:55.12 | ttyS1 | I created a bash script that runs fine when i run it from a terminal. however when i create a menu shortcut to the script it runs but then it ends rightaway. how can i make this shortcut work ? |
| 16:55.20 | Desert_eagle | root@admin1:~# apt-get source sudo |
| 16:55.20 | Desert_eagle | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:55.21 | Desert_eagle | Building dependency tree |
| 16:55.21 | Desert_eagle | Reading state information... Done |
| 16:55.21 | Desert_eagle | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'stable' of package 'sudo' |
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| 16:55.44 | Desert_eagle | https://dpaste.de/A4sLO/ |
| 16:55.46 | Desert_eagle | wtf? |
| 16:56.28 | ttyS1 | the Bash script i"m using is a short script to mount a remote filesystem |
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| 16:56.55 | moty66 | apm1, karlpinc: this is a good solution http://www.alandmoore.com/blog/2011/11/05/creating-a-kiosk-with-linux-and-x11-2011-edition/ |
| 16:57.29 | apm1 | moty66, looks good to me |
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| 16:58.39 | alfplayer | ttyS1: is it a problem that it ends quickly? it should take some time to run? |
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| 17:00.45 | knyl | I want to use DenyHosts to keep my VPS secure, but I have a dynamic IP address, I'm not too sure what I can do? |
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| 17:02.41 | rryoumaa | i came across a bunch of people saying delayed allocation makes ext4 by default unsafer than ext3. is this true / false / fixed? |
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| 17:09.09 | psamim | Is it possible to install a package from wheezy in squeeze? |
| 17:09.18 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: it cannot be fixed. a write cache is always "dangerous" |
| 17:09.43 | nkuttler | !tell psamim about backports |
| 17:09.44 | mumpitzel | psamim: no. use a backport or create one yourself. but sinec wheezy is now debian stable: why not upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 17:09.59 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: but apparently it's 3m instead of 5s? |
| 17:10.45 | psamim | mumpitzel: is it OK to upgrade a server? |
| 17:11.12 | mumpitzel | psamim: you will have to sooner or later: may 2014 squeez isn't supported anymore. |
| 17:11.21 | mumpitzel | *squeeze |
| 17:11.33 | mumpitzel | but if you have to ask this, you are not fit to run a server in the first place |
| 17:11.45 | greycat | Upgrades should always be done with care, but it's *supposed* to be safe. |
| 17:11.45 | psamim | mumpitzel: tnx |
| 17:12.12 | greycat | You can check http://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy#Upgrade_issues but that's not always complete either |
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| 17:12.30 | mumpitzel | !tell psamim about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:12.36 | mumpitzel | psamim: is it a real server or a VPS or such? |
| 17:12.54 | psamim | It is a virtual server and I cannot find the package I need (curl 7.24+) in squeeze even in backports |
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| 17:13.11 | mumpitzel | psamim: for a virtual server, ask your hoster |
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| 17:13.39 | greycat | psamim: wheezy has curl 7.26 so you can simply BUILD your own backport if you can't upgrade the whole OS just yet |
| 17:13.50 | greycat | Surely someone has told you about ssb by now. |
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| 17:14.45 | mumpitzel | greycat: no one did. feel free to walk him through it. good luck... |
| 17:14.56 | greycat | !tell psamim about ssb |
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| 17:25.36 | alteregoa | is walking from N to P |
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| 17:28.37 | babilen | alteregoa: Please play elsewhere, thank you. |
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| 17:38.37 | MO_Handes | why linux-images wants to install latex?! is everything all right here? http://paste.debian.net/11607/ |
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| 17:39.41 | mumpitzel | !recommends |
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| 17:40.01 | dondelelcaro | MO_Handes: you asked for the build-dependencies to be installed |
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| 17:40.32 | dondelelcaro | MO_Handes: and some of the documentation needs latex to be built |
| 17:41.19 | jelly-home | wonders how the hell he was able install linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 without pulling any other unstable deps (initramfs-tools) |
| 17:41.31 | jelly-home | oh, I have grml-stable repos. |
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| 17:42.19 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.27 | jelly-home | thrml. |
| 17:43.11 | txomon|fon | so no debian packager here |
| 17:43.14 | greycat | glbl thrml nclr wr? |
| 17:43.26 | jelly-home | !grml |
| 17:43.26 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:43.26 | abrotman | txomon|fon: many of them |
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| 17:43.56 | babilen | txomon|fon: Anything in particular we can do for you? |
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| 17:44.10 | txomon|fon | I need to fix a stanza error thing |
| 17:44.20 | txomon|fon | I am trying to generate a package |
| 17:44.29 | txomon|fon | needs a second |
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| 17:45.11 | skiter | hi. I would like to change the default gnome automount properties to ask root password when the user try to access the usbdrives |
| 17:45.25 | babilen | .oO( maybe txomon|fon wants to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net ) |
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| 17:45.37 | skiter | have anybody know how to do it? |
| 17:45.46 | txomon|fon | oO |
| 17:45.48 | txomon|fon | good idea |
| 17:45.52 | babilen | skiter: users not in the plugdev group can't mount |
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| 17:49.01 | midacts | Does anyone have any recommendation for setting up a centralized authentication server. Should i do a kerberos/openldap server or is something like smaba4/kerberos better? |
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| 17:49.27 | DreamPCs | Hey guys, I'm trying to install the proprietary nvidia drivers on wheezy but I'm having issues. |
| 17:49.37 | DreamPCs | I'm using the wiki guide. |
| 17:49.37 | DreamPCs | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/#NVIDIA_Proprietary_Driver |
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| 17:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | midacts: nis? |
| 17:50.31 | DreamPCs | When I try to install the headers, I get this error: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 17:51.28 | DreamPCs | Any ideas? |
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| 17:52.26 | kristijonas | hello, what is the difference between sendmail and postfix? Are they both SMTP servers and so pretty much the same thing? |
| 17:52.36 | greycat | Yeah, they compete for the same role. |
| 17:53.14 | midacts | jhutchins_wk, hmm NIS seems like the old school approach to LDAP |
| 17:53.25 | abrotman | midacts: radius might be considered also |
| 17:53.29 | greycat | midacts: pretty much, yeah |
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| 17:53.48 | kristijonas | greycat, so I actually would not need postfix in order to send mails? |
| 17:53.56 | Slagwag | rebooted a debian server for the first time in 625 days |
| 17:53.59 | Slagwag | and it didnt come back online |
| 17:53.59 | Slagwag | :| |
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| 17:54.14 | greycat | You need *some* mail transfer agent to send mail out. Debian installs exim4 by default. If you prefer sendmail or postfix, you can choose one of those instead. |
| 17:54.16 | midacts | im just trying to learn and set one up for myself. ive just had trouble tying openldap in with kerberos. and i wanted to make sure that was probably the best approach to secure centralized authentication for linux systems |
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| 17:54.53 | midacts | abrotman, would you choose RADIUS over kerberos? |
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| 17:55.09 | abrotman | midacts: i just said it was someting to look at .. it depends on your actual needs |
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| 17:56.05 | jelly-home | midacts: why not just do direct auth from ldap |
| 17:57.17 | jelly-home | I don't know which nss and pam drivers are recommended this week, but there's probably some combo that actually works |
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| 17:57.30 | midacts | jelly-home, from what I read it ldap transfer users passwords unencrypted over the wire. Kerberos helps by circumventing that by using tickets, and not transferring the passwords. Im still learning it though. |
| 17:57.49 | jelly-home | midacts: you read wrong. ldaps:// exists and is in use. |
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| 17:58.14 | midacts | jelly-home, yah with the use of SSL, is that secure enough for a production environment? |
| 17:58.17 | kristijonas | greycat: in my case, no exaim4 is installed (tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 703/sendmail: MTA ) and I'm just wondering if I'll be able to send mails just with sendmail. |
| 17:58.43 | abrotman | midacts: you said you're just trying to learn ? |
| 17:58.58 | jelly-home | midacts: do you trust SSL with your banking account and transactions? |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | kristijonas: 99% sure you don't actually want to use sendmail |
| 17:59.20 | midacts | abrotman, yes, but i'd like to do it right the first time :P |
| 17:59.30 | kristijonas | abrotman, why? |
| 17:59.44 | abrotman | midacts: i doubt you will .. trial and error isn't a bad thing |
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| 17:59.45 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: you can use sendmail the binary |
| 18:00.00 | abrotman | kristijonas: because most people don't want to use sendmail, and wouled rather use postfix or exim |
| 18:00.17 | mumpitzel | abrotman: sendmail the binary != sendmail the package |
| 18:00.22 | midacts | jelly-home, that is true. Is it a better approach than integrating kerberos though? |
| 18:00.33 | greycat | kristijonas: well, if sendmail is already installed and working, then you can leave it in place |
| 18:00.37 | jelly-home | midacts: it seems simpler. |
| 18:00.53 | greycat | If it's installed but NOT working, then you can decide whether to keep it and try to fix it, or replace it. |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | mumpitzel: then they should specify? |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | midacts: kerberos provides some sort of single sign-on though, if you require it. |
| 18:01.56 | midacts | jelly-home, okay, if that is probably the only major upside to kerberos- with its ticket granting ticket, then maybe ldap with ssl is the way to go |
| 18:02.33 | jelly-home | midacts: there is some mention of recommended nss and pam modules for ldap in the wheezy release notes |
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| 18:03.47 | mumpitzel | abrotman: that would mean they know what they write about. too much to ask |
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| 18:05.06 | midacts | jelly-home, would you go with Samba4 over openldap for something like this? |
| 18:05.27 | kristijonas | btw, do a computer has both hostname and domainname? |
| 18:05.46 | greycat | "domain name" is an ambiguous term. |
| 18:05.46 | jelly-home | midacts: it might not be the only benefit, I don't know a lot about kerberos |
| 18:06.04 | greycat | There's long-form hostnames, and Kerberos domains, and NIS domains, and probably more. |
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| 18:06.24 | greycat | Or you might be referring to the default search domain for name resolution in resolv.conf. |
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| 18:06.56 | midacts | jelly-home, no worries. im fine with human input. I can sometimes glean alot more than reading thru documentation |
| 18:07.08 | midacts | jelly-home, because of user experience with the products |
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| 18:08.50 | kristijonas | greycat, I remember installing debian, it asked me for hostname and then something else, probably domain name.. |
| 18:09.20 | midacts | hostname > domain name > root password > verify root password > user name > username > user password > verify user password |
| 18:09.37 | greycat | If this was during email configuration, it's probably "domain names for which I accept incoming mail" or "the domain name that gets appended to outgoing unqualified addresses" |
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| 18:09.58 | greycat | If it was what midacts suggests, then it's the default search domain in resolv.conf. |
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| 18:11.49 | kristijonas | greycat, no that happened when I was installing Debian OS. |
| 18:12.00 | greycat | Then it's in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:12.26 | kristijonas | greycat, how to open a text file in shell? |
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| 18:12.41 | greycat | Since that file is so very small, I'd just cat it. |
| 18:12.49 | greycat | For larger files, use less. |
| 18:13.30 | kristijonas | how about "vi"? |
| 18:13.50 | greycat | If you want to EDIT the file, yes. Use a text editor like vi or emacs or nano -w. |
| 18:14.12 | greycat | If you just want to READ it, use less or cat. |
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| 18:17.27 | kristijonas | greycat, okay, well and I don't know how to save and close file after editing it with vi. |
| 18:17.37 | greycat | ESC Z Z |
| 18:17.48 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: next time use nano <file> |
| 18:18.05 | greycat | Use whatever editor you know best. Nano is pretty simple to learn. |
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| 18:20.53 | kristijonas | okay, and again talking about sendmail, can I specify "domain names for which I accept incoming mail" or "the domain name for outgoing mail" in sendmail as I can do it on postfix? |
| 18:21.13 | greycat | Yes, but the configuration is completely different. |
| 18:21.41 | greycat | If you already know postfix, use postfix. |
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| 18:23.57 | kristijonas | I just ordered a dedicated hosting, and trying to install mysql-server package, it says: E: Unable to locate package mysql-server |
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| 18:24.15 | orange_ | Does anyone know how to install the Radeonn 4200 HD driver for Wheezy? The last 3 times I have tried I messed up Debian to the point where I had to reformat, heh. |
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| 18:24.35 | greycat | kristijonas: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24.54 | Sevet_ | kristijonas: run 'apt-get update' first, and what does sources.list look like (http://paste.debian.net/) |
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| 18:25.16 | greycat | Those too, but /etc/debian_version is critically important. |
| 18:25.26 | kristijonas | greycat, 6.0.4 |
| 18:25.46 | greycat | OK, then check /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it includes whatever's needed. |
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| 18:26.27 | kristijonas | greycat, apt-get update helped :) |
| 18:27.51 | greycat | By any chance, is your hosting provider interserver.net? They install sendmail by default. |
| 18:29.14 | kristijonas | greycat, no, I'm from Lithuania and it's http://www.dedikuoti.lt/serveriai.html :) |
| 18:29.43 | greycat | OK, no problem. I'm on interserver and they installed sendmail, and I just left it in place because I didn't care much. |
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| 18:31.17 | kristijonas | Recently they (dedikuoti.lt) were experiencing DOS attacks a lot. :) |
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| 18:36.15 | tomsys | Why is the installation CD so huge compared to other distributions? |
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| 18:36.28 | nkuttler | !tell tomsys about netinst |
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| 18:37.14 | tomsys | nkuttler, ty :-D |
| 18:37.45 | chiel | hello all, in this server i have two 3tb drives in raid1, and then an additional ssd (not yet mounted). i want to format the ssd and then mount it as /home (and move the current /home there). what would be the best way to achieve this? |
| 18:38.23 | nkuttler | chiel: mount it somewhere else, move data, mount as /home ? |
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| 18:38.50 | greycat | You'll want to get all users logged out before messing with /home, so you'll probably have to be in single user mode. |
| 18:39.00 | nkuttler | chiel: oh, and i hope you have backups.. |
| 18:39.08 | chiel | it's a newly setup server :) |
| 18:39.11 | chiel | just getting it up and running |
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| 18:40.08 | greycat | cd /; mv home home.bak; mkfs.ext4 (or whatever) <the device>; vi /etc/fstab; mount /home; cd /home.bak; rsync -av . /home/ |
| 18:40.27 | jordanm | seems odd to put your fast storage on /home for a server |
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| 18:40.46 | chiel | jordanm: it's mostly a dev machine, so we want our home dirs to be on there :) |
| 18:40.51 | jordanm | cp is faster than rsync when incremental doesn't apply |
| 18:40.52 | chiel | greycat: cool, ty |
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| 18:41.19 | jordanm | http://lwn.net/Articles/400489/ |
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| 18:41.29 | jordanm | won't matter if there isn't much data though |
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| 18:41.41 | greycat | Sure, whatever. |
| 18:41.45 | chiel | yeah it's pretty empty |
| 18:41.50 | chiel | mv: cannot move `home/' to `home.bak': Device or resource busy |
| 18:41.52 | chiel | hrm |
| 18:41.55 | chiel | there is no one else logged in |
| 18:42.02 | greycat | Is it already a separate file system? |
| 18:42.16 | chiel | it shouldn't be |
| 18:42.18 | jordanm | chiel, lsof /home |
| 18:42.20 | _polto_ | bonjour |
| 18:42.26 | greycat | df /home |
| 18:42.34 | _polto_ | oups |
| 18:42.37 | _polto_ | bad window |
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| 18:42.52 | chiel | /dev/md3 1833052020 213260 1740458332 1% /home |
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| 18:43.08 | greycat | Since it is already a separate file system, you have to adjust things a bit. |
| 18:43.21 | chiel | alright |
| 18:43.23 | greycat | mount the device somewhere else first, then copy data over, then unmount BOTH, then vi /etc/fstab, then mount /home |
| 18:43.52 | chiel | i think i need to redo the partition table of the new drive as well, it seems... bah |
| 18:44.03 | chiel | maybe faster to just reinstall debian, since i had only just installed it anyway |
| 18:44.39 | chiel | i don't have much experience with partitioning linux, so i was a bit confused with the setup |
| 18:45.04 | greycat | Well, this is how you become experienced. ;-) |
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| 18:46.11 | chiel | this is true :) |
| 18:46.59 | chiel | ust they gave me some weird editor where i had to set raids and stuff |
| 18:47.07 | chiel | so i was confused about the mounting and all this |
| 18:47.16 | chiel | hopefully now i won't cock it up :D |
| 18:47.47 | petn-randall | chiel: Have you checked if the underlying block device is defect? |
| 18:48.07 | petn-randall | chiel: HDDs/SSDs you can check with SMART (man smartctl). |
| 18:49.03 | greycat | Is there any reason to *think* the device might be defective? All his questions so far are about configuration. |
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| 18:50.18 | petn-randall | greycat: "Device or resource busy" can also be a defective HDD timing out. I'd check it just for the sake of it, because all other steps would be moot if the HDD has bad blocks. |
| 18:50.53 | greycat | It's way more likely that it was caused by trying to mv home home.bak when /home is a mount point. |
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| 18:52.03 | chiel | nothing is defective, no :) |
| 18:52.06 | petn-randall | greycat: Sure, but my point is still valid. |
| 18:52.12 | chiel | just made a mistake during setup |
| 18:52.22 | chiel | a mistake i am hoping not to repeat now. :D |
| 18:52.40 | petn-randall | chiel: Do share, so we can learn from it. |
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| 18:54.19 | chiel | i dunno if any of you guys use hetzner as a host |
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| 18:54.35 | chiel | but they give me an editor to basically set all the partitioning stuff before the actual install starts |
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| 18:55.35 | petn-randall | chiel: Yeah, they bring their own funny installer. |
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| 18:57.07 | chiel | basically i want to use /dev/sbc for /home, but currently the partition definition for /home looks like this: `PART /home ext4 all` |
| 18:57.21 | chiel | which doesn't actually seem to specify the drive |
| 18:57.24 | mumpitzel | chiel: sbc is a full disk, not a partition. you should use sbc1 |
| 18:57.31 | mumpitzel | or better yet, use UUID or LABEL |
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| 18:57.56 | petn-randall | chiel: You CAN use a full disk for the filesystem, I would recommend it, though. |
| 18:58.06 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: you miss a "not" there |
| 18:58.18 | chiel | no UUID or label is provided, it just shows me the three mounted disks with their /dev/sd* locations |
| 18:58.38 | chiel | my point was that it does not seem to use those in the partition definitions |
| 18:58.52 | mumpitzel | it does not use "PART" that's for sure |
| 18:59.14 | chiel | it has things like `PART swap swap 8G` etc |
| 18:59.24 | chiel | but does not specify the drive, or partition for that matter |
| 18:59.26 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: It's not /etc/fstab we're talking about, but the config file to the custom debian installer from Hetzner. |
| 19:00.02 | petn-randall | chiel: IIRC the config file was verbosly commented, so you should find your way through. |
| 19:01.11 | chiel | yea, looking through some more documentation now. despite the verbose documentation inside the file, it makes no mention of using the devices to specify partitioning |
| 19:01.58 | petn-randall | chiel: Out of curiosity, which root server did you rent? |
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| 19:03.01 | petn-randall | correction, chiel: You CAN use a full disk for the filesystem, I wouldn't recommend it, though. |
| 19:03.12 | chiel | it's an EX4 |
| 19:03.20 | chiel | yes, got that :D |
| 19:03.25 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: Right, second time today. I guess my brain is frying from the heat ... |
| 19:03.52 | chiel | it says: 'extended partitions are created automatically' |
| 19:03.56 | petn-randall | chiel: EX4 + SSD? |
| 19:04.21 | chiel | yes |
| 19:04.29 | chiel | the ssd is additional, yea |
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| 19:05.06 | petn-randall | chiel: It does the partition table for you automatically, you just define the partion sizes AFAIR. |
| 19:05.16 | chiel | paritioning is defined as... `PART <mountpoint/lvm> <filesystem/VG> <size in MB>`... so no mention of device |
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| 19:05.43 | chiel | yea, it does... so i am confused about how i can use /sdc in here, since i don't use sdc as part of the raid group |
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| 19:07.38 | petn-randall | chiel: If in doubt, boot into rescue mode, use gparted to partition as you want, and install by hand. That's what I did (wanted to have RAID1 → LUKS → LVM, /boot being on RAID1 outside of that). |
| 19:08.18 | chiel | petn-randall: yea, i am in the rescue system atm, i was using the `installimage` utility |
| 19:08.21 | chiel | but it's being annoying :p |
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| 19:09.51 | chiel | petn-randall: out of curiosity, how did you then get the image onto the system? |
| 19:09.56 | petn-randall | chiel: You can set up everything you want, mount everything as planned into /mnt/tmp, copy the image onto there, chroot into it and finish up the last steps. |
| 19:10.11 | petn-randall | chiel: look into installimage, it's just a bash script. |
| 19:10.21 | chiel | htm |
| 19:10.24 | chiel | "(gpartedbin:6352): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" :D |
| 19:10.42 | chiel | superhappyfuntimes |
| 19:10.53 | petn-randall | chiel: ... uhm ... no X11 on there. Use parted. Or gdisk. |
| 19:11.36 | petn-randall | chiel: You can do X11 forwarding with 'ssh -X root@<server>', I wouldn't recommend that, though. The latency is annoying. |
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| 19:12.39 | chiel | hmm yea, will use parted then |
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| 19:15.32 | chiel | where is the rescue system booted from? |
| 19:15.53 | chiel | not on any of the sda sdb or sdc devices, right? |
| 19:16.28 | chiel | just curious before i destroy something.. :p |
| 19:17.41 | petn-randall | chiel: via PXE boot |
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| 19:18.28 | chiel | hm, gparted is not capable of creating raid |
| 19:18.55 | petn-randall | chiel: You want mdadm to create the RAID. parted only does partioning. |
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| 19:27.55 | NoReflex | hello! anyone know of a "translate channel"? I'm looking for someone who could translate "béka LAN" from Hungarian to English; google translate does not help |
| 19:28.57 | Wizard | #hungarian? |
| 19:29.04 | Wizard | Maybe it exists :D |
| 19:29.23 | NoReflex | Wizard, nope :D |
| 19:29.39 | greycat | ALIS says there is a ##zeitgeisthungary |
| 19:29.49 | greycat | With... 1 person in it. |
| 19:30.16 | abrotman | NoReflex: perhaps try #defocus and see if anyone is around |
| 19:30.17 | NoReflex | greycat, whos is ALIS? |
| 19:30.30 | ompaul | NoReflex: first word is frog have a nice day :) |
| 19:30.31 | greycat | "/msg ALIS list #*hungar*" |
| 19:30.49 | ompaul | points to offtopic and other places |
| 19:30.56 | nkuttler | searching for the hungarian word for hungarian would probably be more useful |
| 19:31.10 | apm1 | wonders where the other places are |
| 19:31.15 | greycat | dpkg's "hu" factoid mentions #debian.hu but that does not appear to exist |
| 19:31.27 | Wizard | Is apt-build on-topic? |
| 19:31.40 | apm1 | yes |
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| 19:33.53 | slixz85 | FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY TALK COME TO #linuxbbq |
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| 19:34.47 | nickgaw | Hi, What package or how can I download the none-free firmware called is there a DVD or CD of network none-free firmware I can download? |
| 19:34.49 | NoReflex | seems he already left; wanted to ask him if the talk Hungarian :D |
| 19:35.59 | Wizard | Is it possible to build whole dependency trees with apt-build? |
| 19:36.01 | nkuttler | !tell nickgaw about installer firmware |
| 19:36.10 | nickgaw | it is for an intel wireless and a realtek local area network driver |
| 19:36.13 | quleap | howdy |
| 19:36.17 | Wizard | Or will it allways complain on missing dependencies? |
| 19:36.22 | quleap | this is my second request for support |
| 19:36.51 | quleap | I am getting staicy electronic sounding noise in my audio, i have pulse, and its not the cable, its in my intel hda for any output? |
| 19:37.00 | quleap | staticy* |
| 19:37.28 | Wizard | You probably set some volume bar to high. |
| 19:37.38 | Wizard | Launch alsamixer and check. |
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| 19:39.10 | quleap | Wizard: im using pulse audio |
| 19:39.19 | Wizard | So? |
| 19:39.20 | quleap | i installed then removed all alsa stuff |
| 19:39.24 | quleap | maybbe ur right |
| 19:39.27 | quleap | bbut |
| 19:39.38 | quleap | when i jerk the volume around in pulse or control panel sometimes it stops |
| 19:39.43 | quleap | bbut rarely |
| 19:39.46 | tomsys | how many gb's does a basic installation takes? |
| 19:40.06 | nkuttler | tomsys: < 1 |
| 19:40.27 | Wizard | quleap: There is an app where you can fine-tune pulse settings. I've forgotten its name :D |
| 19:40.35 | tomsys | so why is it 4 installation CD's |
| 19:40.44 | Wizard | LOL |
| 19:40.45 | nkuttler | !tell tomsys about netinst |
| 19:40.56 | tomsys | nkuttler, I know about netinst |
| 19:41.05 | quleap | grrr |
| 19:41.07 | petn-randall | tomsys: For the "non-basic" stuff. It's far more than 4 CDs, btw. |
| 19:41.08 | nkuttler | tomsys: so why did you ask your last question? |
| 19:41.11 | tomsys | but still asking what does the regular install have |
| 19:41.22 | nkuttler | !tell tomsys about cd contents |
| 19:41.29 | tomsys | I wanted to know what takes so much space |
| 19:41.30 | greycat | I have no idea what you're looking at which is 4 CDs. |
| 19:41.38 | Wizard | quleap: For sure it wasn't grrr. |
| 19:41.43 | nkuttler | yeah.. that too.. |
| 19:41.46 | quleap | !tell nkuttler about dental care |
| 19:41.54 | quleap | :( |
| 19:42.22 | nkuttler | quleap: please stay on topic, and don't abuse the bots... |
| 19:42.26 | Wizard | quleap: pavucontrol |
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| 19:42.29 | nickgaw | what is the basic process for locating a firmware file for certain hardware that the installer prompts for so I can download it and then put it on an usb stick for the installer to find and use? |
| 19:43.08 | tomsys | ubuntu only comes in 1 cd |
| 19:43.36 | nkuttler | tomsys: you said you know about netinst.. |
| 19:43.39 | greycat | So does Debian, if you download the correct netinst image. |
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| 19:44.16 | tomsys | let's put it this way: why release debian with so many packages included? |
| 19:44.22 | greycat | Because people want them. |
| 19:44.35 | nkuttler | tomsys: you seem to confuse releases with CDs.. |
| 19:44.45 | greycat | He seems quite confused overall. |
| 19:44.57 | petn-randall | tomsys: Ubuntu comes with roughly the same amount of software, I don't know where you're getting the numbers from. |
| 19:45.37 | greycat | Debian has a bunch of mandatory pacakges that comprise the minimum possible installation, and a larger set of packages which comprise a "standard" installation, and then A WHOLE LOT of optional packages. |
| 19:45.53 | greycat | You just install what you want. |
| 19:46.12 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: ubuntu has a shitload of unsupported stuff like universe, ppas, etc. |
| 19:46.42 | nickgaw | is there a ftp site where I can search for none-free firmware that the debian-installer is prompting me for? both my wireless and local area network cards require none-free firmware but not sure the steps for locating the files the installer is asking for or the place to put them on the usb stick? |
| 19:47.06 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: They call it "community support" for universe. I don't count ppas, since debian has lots of 3rd party repos, too. |
| 19:47.23 | nkuttler | nickgaw: try http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 19:47.30 | petn-randall | nickgaw: There is an installer with firmware, try that. |
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| 19:47.49 | nkuttler | petn-randall: there is? |
| 19:47.52 | tomsys | does debian support less hardware than ubuntu? |
| 19:48.01 | nickgaw | where is it I downloaded the official amd64 DVD is there a different one? |
| 19:48.03 | nkuttler | tomsys: more |
| 19:48.12 | Wizard | Way more. |
| 19:48.26 | greycat | nickgaw: the wiki page mentions it |
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| 19:48.35 | mumpitzel | nickgaw: what do you need firmware for? for which hardware? |
| 19:48.52 | tomsys | so what does canonical do exactly? |
| 19:48.56 | nickgaw | my intel wireless and realtek network card. |
| 19:49.04 | nkuttler | tomsys: ask them |
| 19:49.09 | petn-randall | nkuttler: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 19:49.19 | nkuttler | petn-randall: yeah, just found it, thanks. |
| 19:49.27 | tomsys | nkuttler, i was cynical |
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| 19:49.41 | nickgaw | I have an i386 system is there a method for downloading the firmware on this system and then I can just use cp to copy it on to the usb stick? |
| 19:49.55 | petn-randall | tomsys: Do you have a support question? |
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| 19:50.06 | mumpitzel | nickgaw: realtek LAN generally works out of the box. nothing needed. intel wlan needs firmware. so if you need the wlan to install stuff over internet, then you get the installer with firmware. otherwise: not needed |
| 19:50.49 | nickgaw | so where can I download the full installer with firmware? |
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| 19:50.58 | nickgaw | or just the firmware? |
| 19:51.00 | babilen | nickgaw: You can download firmware from http://packages.debian.org or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 19:51.11 | greycat | nickgaw: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
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| 19:51.36 | babilen | nickgaw: Do you plan to install from USB or CD (or something else) ? |
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| 19:52.41 | nickgaw | I have a DVD disc of wheezy disc 1 but wish to just copy the firmware from usb stick to the installed system using the installer to do the work is this possible or should I download another iso image? |
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| 19:53.21 | greycat | nickgaw: are you refusing to load the wiki page that's been given multiple times? |
| 19:53.49 | nickgaw | I am looking at it now just wondering if there is a quicker way reading the wiki now. |
| 19:54.21 | babilen | nickgaw: You can unpack the firmware.tar.gz to the second partition on the usb stick after you have written the DVD image to it. (cf. "/msg dpkg usb install") |
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| 19:54.47 | greycat | I think he has an already-burned DVD and a blank USB stick. |
| 19:55.10 | nickgaw | correct already burned DVD and a blank usb stick |
| 19:55.11 | babilen | Ah, then just unpack the firmware.tar.gz to the usb stick and provide it during the installation |
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| 19:55.51 | nickgaw | is there one large firmware.tar.gz file I can download or just download what I need? |
| 19:56.00 | dgriffi | are there any plans to add sni-qt to debian? |
| 19:56.08 | babilen | nickgaw: yes, I gave you the link earlier and it is also linked from the wiki |
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| 19:59.43 | tomsys | How can I verify the CD I have is genuine? |
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| 20:00.24 | petn-randall | tomsys: Check it against the checksums provided there too. The checksum file is gpg signed. |
| 20:00.26 | jeep | tomsys: you burnt the cd yourself ? |
| 20:00.38 | tomsys | jeekl, yes |
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| 20:01.30 | jeep | tomsys: are you having problems with it ? |
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| 20:02.29 | tomsys | jeekl, no. but i prefer to verify it first... |
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| 20:03.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell tomsys about check cd |
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| 20:19.09 | cj | hey folks |
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| 20:19.18 | cj | any of you know how to debug pam auth failures? |
| 20:19.37 | petn-randall | cj: Check the logs. |
| 20:19.43 | cj | yeah, no. |
| 20:19.47 | cj | Jun 20 11:57:15 t-s-freebsd7 sshd[57213]: pam_winbind(sshd): user 'cjac' granted access |
| 20:19.50 | cj | Jun 20 11:57:15 t-s-freebsd7 sshd[57209]: error: PAM: authentication error for cjac from taospoc-util |
| 20:19.53 | cj | that's the way the logs roll |
| 20:20.10 | cj | which really helps less than nothing at all. |
| 20:20.27 | cj | which section of the pam pipeline failed? |
| 20:20.54 | Wizard | FreeBSD? |
| 20:20.59 | cj | yessir |
| 20:21.09 | Wizard | Debian/kfreebsd? |
| 20:21.13 | cj | but I know debian does pam, and I have gotten the same issues there. |
| 20:21.15 | cj | nosir |
| 20:21.24 | Wizard | Than #freebsd :P |
| 20:21.27 | cj | and #debian is more helpful generally than #freebsd ;-) |
| 20:22.05 | Wizard | Hi Aston Martin Service, could you look at my Corsa? |
| 20:22.08 | petn-randall | cj: True, but we only support Debian in here, not FreeBSD, Crunchbang, Ubuntu, Rasbian or any other distro. :) |
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| 20:24.59 | cj | fine. I'll repro on debian ;-) |
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| 20:25.42 | Wizard | cj: That's the spirit :) |
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| 20:30.41 | cj | http://paste2.org/e4V2LO8F |
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| 20:31.33 | chiel | petn-randall: sorry, got called away to help a colleague :p |
| 20:31.40 | chiel | mdadm you say, i'll have a look |
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| 20:31.56 | cj | so I guess that throws a monkey wrench in the works... |
| 20:32.39 | greycat | Heh, I had a funny feeling it would end up working in Debian ;-) |
| 20:32.58 | Wizard | :D |
| 20:33.32 | chiel | petn-randall: that mdadm stuff seems kinda scary. never managed raid arrays myself before :p |
| 20:34.21 | chiel | do i have to partition one disk first, and then just create a raid, and that will copy things over to the other disk? or create the raid setup first, and then partition? |
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| 20:35.38 | cj | petn-randall: there's a #linux-raid channel that is very helpful |
| 20:35.39 | petn-randall | chiel: Either way works. I recommend partitioning both disks identical, doing a RAID1, ontop of that LVM. In that setup I recommend a small RAID1 (e.g. 512MB) for your /boot. |
| 20:36.09 | cj | wait, RAID1 on top of LVM? |
| 20:36.16 | cj | oh, you mean LVM VG on an MD device |
| 20:36.20 | cj | yeah, that's what I do. |
| 20:36.31 | cj | I avoid md for root and boot. |
| 20:36.59 | cj | my storage server has an internal 4G CF card that it mounts read only and boots off of |
| 20:37.04 | petn-randall | cj: I recommend RAID1 for /boot, in case one of the disks gets defect sectors. |
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| 20:37.17 | chiel | hrm ok, that sounds a bit advanced for me, hah |
| 20:37.33 | chiel | i can usually work with debian fine, but this is one step further |
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| 20:37.44 | petn-randall | chiel: it's the default Hetzner setup :) |
| 20:37.48 | chiel | is there a good guide on this subject that you guys could recommend? |
| 20:37.49 | cj | /boot is easy to generate in an emergency, and booting off of an md device is not simple |
| 20:38.01 | nkuttler | babilen: btw, aptitude purge ~c is dangerous advice as it can wipe config files that are still in use if they use the same location as a removed package |
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| 20:38.17 | petn-randall | cj: Uhm, it is? |
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| 20:38.25 | cj | petn-randall: yes. you need an initrd |
| 20:38.32 | cj | or grub2 |
| 20:38.34 | cj | which never works |
| 20:39.02 | cj | or are you asking whether /boot is easy to generate? and the answer there is also yes. |
| 20:39.05 | petn-randall | cj: It work in 3 out of 3 machines I own, plus a few dozen at work. Where are you getting your numbers from? |
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| 20:39.30 | chiel | ah well fuck it, maybe i will just the ssd separately for other stuff |
| 20:39.49 | cj | petn-randall: all of my systems. grub2 has failed to install or boot on nearly all of my systems. |
| 20:39.55 | petn-randall | cj: If the machine is in a datacentre and doesn't boot, there's no "easy" way to generate it. |
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| 20:40.28 | cj | chiel: yeah. on storage systems, I recommend a simple, read-only root filesystem that spins up the MD block device. |
| 20:40.29 | petn-randall | cj: I guess it's a configuration mistake then? |
| 20:41.02 | cj | petn-randall: if by configuration you mean walking through the installation menu |
| 20:41.05 | chiel | cj: yea i am pretty new to all this partitioning stuff (as in, i never did it before :p), so i will just use the default setup atm |
| 20:41.19 | chiel | the thing is, this machine has 2 3TB drived, and one 256gb SSD |
| 20:41.37 | chiel | the two 3TB drives should be in raid1, and then we wanted the /home on the SSD |
| 20:41.50 | cj | sounds like a good environment for booting off of the SSD and creating a RAID-1 + spare |
| 20:41.52 | chiel | i don't know if that's a good setup, or a bad idea |
| 20:42.00 | petn-randall | cj: No redundancy for your /home? |
| 20:42.10 | chiel | sure, sounds good if you're able to do that... but i am new to this :D |
| 20:42.19 | chiel | petn-randall: like i said, i have no idea if it's a good idea, haha. |
| 20:42.28 | cj | petn-randall: I create a vg0 on /dev/md0 and lvcreate /dev/vg0 -n home -L 4G |
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| 20:42.39 | chiel | i don't really know what kinda stuff would be most optimal to keep on the ssd |
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| 20:42.54 | petn-randall | woops, I meant chiel with the last statement. |
| 20:42.59 | cj | petn-randall: oh, you meant that last for chiel |
| 20:43.01 | chiel | i figured :D |
| 20:43.18 | chiel | but any advice you guys have regarding an ideal setup for this machine, i'm all ears. |
| 20:43.23 | cj | chiel: keep your cache and ephemeral stuff on the SSD. it is fast to read |
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| 20:44.18 | cj | chiel: create a lvm vg on the SSD and create LVs for things like /var/cache for instance |
| 20:44.23 | petn-randall | cj: I'd use the SSD for stuff that needs to be fast, and because of no RAID1, things that you can live without when the drive dies. |
| 20:44.36 | cj | I'm with petn-randall on that one |
| 20:44.38 | chiel | again meant for me i take it? :p |
| 20:44.50 | chiel | and okay, that sounds perfect, but how would i set that up? :D |
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| 20:45.07 | petn-randall | argh, tab completion doesn't do what I want :) |
| 20:45.19 | chiel | is there a guide on setting up boot on ssd adn then creating a raid from the other two disks or so? |
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| 20:45.46 | cj | chiel: assuming your ssd is /dev/sda, fdisk /dev/sda ; create 3 partitions. 1 for /, 1 for /boot, and one as an lvm PV |
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| 20:46.19 | chiel | cj: the ssd in sdc, sadly :p |
| 20:46.32 | chiel | i wish it was sda, cause i'm super anal about that kinda stuff >.< |
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| 20:46.57 | petn-randall | chiel: Irrelevant, you'll be addressing all drives by UUID, anyway. |
| 20:47.08 | chiel | i suppose yea :) |
| 20:47.37 | vadimkolchev | hi all. Wondering why when I issue lsb_release -a it tells me the following - Description:DebianEdu/Skolelinux |
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| 20:47.53 | greycat | Presumably because that's what is installed. |
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| 20:48.12 | cj | pvcreate /dev/sda3 ; vgcreate vgSSD0 /dev/sda3 ; lvcreate /dev/vgSSD0 -n cache -L 4G ; mkfs.ext4 /dev/vgSSD0/cache ; echo "/dev/mapper/vgSSD0-cache /var/cache ext4 defaults 0 0" >> /etc/fstab |
| 20:48.16 | chiel | hrm, how do i boot into the rescue system? |
| 20:48.42 | vadimkolchev | greycat, well, if it was response for me - i installed pure Debian with net install. I am not sure why it is showing this |
| 20:49.01 | cj | chiel: I use the install CD to boot into rescue system |
| 20:49.02 | nkuttler | chiel: do you mean single user mode? if so pick that entry |
| 20:49.24 | chiel | ah right, this is a remote server so i can't :D |
| 20:49.27 | chiel | only have ssh |
| 20:49.29 | cj | chiel: for single user, append ' single' (no quotes) to the end of your kernel string in grub |
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| 20:50.10 | cj | are you using the liquid web ssd VPS out of curiosity? |
| 20:50.12 | chiel | hm ok |
| 20:50.25 | chiel | it's an EX4 machine on hetzner |
| 20:50.29 | chiel | + additional ssd |
| 20:50.42 | User613 | Is this the proper question for Debian Live project questions? |
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| 20:50.54 | cj | User613: do you mean forum? |
| 20:51.22 | cj | User613: I'd say that oftc is the proper forum for debian questions |
| 20:51.29 | cj | but this one does in a pinch ;-) |
| 20:51.48 | ws2k3 | i was wondering is bugzilla suitable for change managment? i mean bugzilla is great for reporting bugs but i was looking for a tool that have bug management and change/project management in it assing tasks to other engineer etc anyone can advice me on this? |
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| 20:52.14 | karlpinc | User613: I think there's a separate channel for debian live, see the <debian live> factoid?) but you can ask here. |
| 20:52.16 | User613 | I was wondering how often after releases live images are usually released. |
| 20:52.21 | chiel | if i can't boot into rescue mode, i guess i can always regenerate the linux machine again, that puts it into rescue mode automatically |
| 20:52.24 | cj | ws2k3: RT is what I usually see for that sort of use case |
| 20:52.50 | cj | https://rt.perl.org/rt3/ |
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| 20:53.25 | cj | User613: I thought Debian Live was sort of abandoned. I haven't checked ;-) |
| 20:53.40 | User613 | They had a 7.0 release. |
| 20:54.31 | cj | yeah, over a month ago... |
| 20:54.32 | cj | http://live.debian.net/project/status/ |
| 20:54.34 | User613 | I also can't seem to join #debian-live, period, from webchat. |
| 20:54.36 | User613 | No idea why. |
| 20:54.37 | cj | seems like they're still around |
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| 20:54.49 | cj | you need to identify yourself to services |
| 20:55.00 | cj | well, you're on the channel |
| 20:55.18 | cj | User613: you're looking for #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:55.23 | chiel | cj: since i am not using /dev/sdc atm, can i just repartition that from the debian install on the other two disks? |
| 20:55.57 | cj | chiel: I do not understand your question, but you can certainly re-partition /dev/sdc if you can see it. |
| 20:55.58 | User613 | qwebirc must have bugged out then. I'll ask on OFTC. |
| 20:55.58 | nickgaw | Hi, ok the installation is working fine on my wireless network do I need to leave in the usb stick during the entire installation I did include the none-free firmware when I configured apt so will the correct firmware be installed on to my laptop? |
| 20:56.39 | cj | nickgaw: you were prompted to insert a usb stick containing the non-free firmware, and you want to know if and when you can remove said stick? |
| 20:56.54 | cj | hit alt-f2 and activate the console |
| 20:56.54 | chiel | cj: yea, was just wondering if it won't kill my current session or so |
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| 20:57.01 | nickgaw | yes the stick is currently still in the system. |
| 20:57.05 | cj | run df from that prompt |
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| 20:57.41 | cj | chiel: you can find out whether you've got anything on /dev/sdc mounted by running 'df | grep sdc' or 'grep sdc /proc/mounts' |
| 20:57.59 | cj | chiel: if those both return nothing, you should be good to partition the device |
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| 20:58.16 | chiel | both are empty yep |
| 20:58.18 | cj | nickgaw: do you see anything that looks like your usb stick in the output of df? |
| 20:58.24 | cj | chiel: you're golden. fdisk away |
| 20:58.36 | chiel | :D |
| 20:58.46 | chiel | never used fdisk before... this can only go well |
| 20:58.50 | cj | is afk playing IT guy to his wife |
| 20:58.59 | chiel | hah |
| 20:59.02 | cj | chiel: it's not hard. it prompts you for input and you give it. |
| 20:59.06 | User613 | cj: Kinky? |
| 20:59.07 | User613 | :D |
| 20:59.13 | nickgaw | does not look like it is mounted. |
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| 20:59.26 | petn-randall | cj: Do you dress up? |
| 20:59.27 | cj | type q<enter> to quit. read the output on the screen. pretty straightforward |
| 20:59.30 | petn-randall | hides. |
| 20:59.33 | cj | petn-randall: yes. do you want pics? |
| 20:59.39 | petn-randall | TMI TMI |
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| 21:01.11 | cj | nickgaw: do you know the device name? /dev/sdb maybe? |
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| 21:01.38 | cj | ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
| 21:02.32 | nickgaw | does debian support natively the setting up of a network based home directory so for example as I have two systems my desktop and laptop the system would mount using sshfs the desktop for the home directories as my desktop has /home on another different partition so I just wish to instead of using the laptop's internal drive for user accounts home directories use the desktop mounted home partition as the users home directories an |
| 21:02.50 | cj | nickgaw: ogod. /home on sshfs? |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | I don't think sshfs for /home is viable. |
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| 21:03.04 | cj | greycat++ |
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| 21:03.16 | greycat | Things that need to read config files from users' home dirs (like sshd) will fail. |
| 21:03.16 | nickgaw | what other filesystems do you suggest? |
| 21:03.16 | cj | nfs or (if you must) cifs |
| 21:03.31 | nickgaw | nfs the best choice? |
| 21:03.35 | greycat | NFS would be the standard here; it's what we've used for 25 years |
| 21:03.39 | cj | yessir |
| 21:03.46 | chiel | cj: yea, it seems /dev/sdc has no paritions, despite /dev/sdc1 existing |
| 21:03.52 | chiel | partitions* |
| 21:03.58 | cj | chiel: fdisk -l /dev/sdc ? |
| 21:04.05 | nickgaw | ok what package in debian is the nfs server or does it use the nfsd kernel module? |
| 21:04.12 | greycat | nfs-kernel-server package |
| 21:04.18 | User613 | "All network filesystems suck. NFS just sucks less." |
| 21:04.19 | chiel | cj: yea tried that, it lists /dev/sdc1 2048 468862127 234430040 83 Linux |
| 21:04.23 | cj | apt-cache search nfs kernel |
| 21:04.30 | cj | User613++ |
| 21:04.33 | chiel | when i hit d inside fdisk, it doesn't let me delete anything. :/ |
| 21:04.38 | User613 | mutt joke thar. |
| 21:04.40 | cj | chiel: so it does have a partition |
| 21:04.46 | cj | User613: I thought I recognized it |
| 21:05.04 | cj | evolution and mutt are my MUAs of choice in that order |
| 21:05.27 | chiel | i did `fdisk /dev/sdc`, then hit d, and it says: "Selected partition 1" |
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| 21:05.36 | chiel | but then just returns me to the regular prompt |
| 21:05.36 | cj | yeah, if there's only one, it selects that one |
| 21:05.40 | cj | w |
| 21:05.40 | cj | q |
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| 21:05.50 | chiel | ah |
| 21:06.01 | chiel | i see, thanks |
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| 21:06.12 | cj | n, p, 1, enter, +4G |
| 21:06.31 | cj | and enter for the type |
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| 21:06.45 | chiel | it asks for last sector first |
| 21:06.51 | chiel | just enter nothing? |
| 21:06.59 | chiel | oh nvm |
| 21:07.05 | chiel | i entered first sector on the wrong thing |
| 21:07.06 | chiel | derp :p |
| 21:07.11 | User613 | Is there a reason you're using fdisk instead of cfdisk? |
| 21:07.19 | cj | 1 = 4G (used for root), 2 = 256M (used for /boot), 3 = remainder (used for lvm [code 8e]) |
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| 21:07.28 | cj | User613: force of habit |
| 21:07.32 | User613 | I believe fdisk's maintainers recommend you use cfdisk, and have for quite some time. |
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| 21:07.47 | User613 | It will do the cylinder alignment for you, for as much as it's worth. |
| 21:07.47 | cj | I ignore them ;-) |
| 21:07.50 | chiel | xD |
| 21:07.56 | cj | User613: this might be why grub2 fails for me |
| 21:08.03 | greycat | All *fdisk programs are kind of dying anyway, aren't they? |
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| 21:08.15 | chiel | all partitions should be specified as primary? |
| 21:08.19 | cj | greycat: huh? how would one partition their block devices? |
| 21:08.29 | cj | chiel: yeah, I never use extended |
| 21:08.31 | cj | especially now that lvm |
| 21:08.43 | chiel | you're talking to a complete noob haha :D |
| 21:08.45 | User613 | chiel: Yes, unless you're using more than 4 on a MBR/DOSy partition table. |
| 21:08.46 | greycat | parted, I figure, because disks are becoming too large for old DOS thingies |
| 21:08.55 | cj | but don't do that |
| 21:09.16 | User613 | Yeah parted for GPT, fdisk is still good for BSD tables though. |
| 21:09.26 | User613 | Well... not "good" :) |
| 21:09.36 | User613 | But cfdisk won't do them. |
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| 21:09.45 | greycat | I figure in a decade or two, there won't be any non-GPT disks left |
| 21:09.48 | chiel | so https://gist.github.com/chielkunkels/384f6a2f1e06646256e9 is ok? |
| 21:09.51 | nickgaw | ok installed that now what is the easiest method for exporting /home and all of it's directories? |
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| 21:10.56 | greycat | nickgaw: man exports, then edit /etc/exports, then /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
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| 21:11.24 | cj | okay. good luck kids. I'm going to go do some consultation. |
| 21:11.31 | User613 | Be sure to sacrifice some pure animals. It will make the network filesystem gods go easy on you. |
| 21:11.35 | nickgaw | ok then what about on the client side of things? |
| 21:11.37 | joaocfernandes | hey Windows 8 users |
| 21:11.38 | ws2k3 | how can i search in the debian reposetory to find out the version of a package |
| 21:11.45 | greycat | (/me checks his work machine's disk and sees that it is in fact "Partition Table: msdos") |
| 21:11.49 | User613 | packages.debian.org |
| 21:11.57 | greycat | (granted, work is ... not using the most recent software) |
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| 21:12.51 | chiel | cj: darn :p good luck :) |
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| 21:13.30 | greycat | nickgaw: client side, typically you put something like this in /etc/fstab: cyclops:/home /home nfs nolock,rsize=8192 0 0 |
| 21:15.01 | greycat | where "cyclops" is the hostname of the NFS server |
| 21:15.47 | chiel | if i created those three partitions now on the ssd, should i now install debian on there or so? |
| 21:15.53 | nickgaw | so replace the first portion with the name on my server here on my local area network? |
| 21:15.55 | chiel | and then reboot and create a raid from the other two drives? |
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| 21:16.20 | greycat | nickgaw: "man mount.nfs" if you need more than just that one line example |
| 21:16.50 | greycat | nickgaw: also "man fstab" has some details |
| 21:17.01 | ws2k3 | how fast is debian exacly when new releashed of software comes out before it come available in the reposity? |
| 21:17.20 | greycat | ws2k3: "stable" means no new software versions are added except in urgent cases |
| 21:17.26 | chiel | petn-randall: are you still there by any chance? cj had to leave :p |
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| 21:18.18 | ws2k3 | okay so what if i want to install nagios 3.5.0 nog in debian reposity is there a way i can still it useing the reposity? |
| 21:18.34 | ws2k3 | i prefer to not compile it by hand because its a pain in the ass with upgrading the software again |
| 21:18.36 | greycat | !tell ws2k3 about backports |
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| 21:21.45 | ws2k3 | can i search somehere in the backpost reposity? |
| 21:22.06 | greycat | You want http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 21:22.24 | ws2k3 | yeah i understand |
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| 21:22.40 | ws2k3 | but how should i check if a newest version of the software is already available in the backports |
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| 21:23.01 | greycat | Once you've added the backports sources correctly, you use "apt-get update" and "apt-cache show" |
| 21:23.14 | ws2k3 | i cant just search on the website? |
| 21:23.23 | greycat | I don't know. Maybe? You can try. |
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| 21:24.14 | ws2k3 | http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ tryed to search there but it it just shows me no results found |
| 21:24.25 | ws2k3 | so that would mean there is no bugzilla in the backports? |
| 21:24.37 | greycat | I don't know what it means. Try adding the backports sources and using apt. |
| 21:25.04 | ws2k3 | ah okay |
| 21:25.06 | jelly-home | ws2k3: is there a bugzilla in debian at all? |
| 21:25.13 | ws2k3 | yes there is |
| 21:25.17 | ws2k3 | i just installed it :P |
| 21:25.25 | jelly-home | ws2k3: what's the package name? |
| 21:25.29 | jelly-home | ,v bugzilla |
| 21:25.31 | judd | No package named 'bugzilla' was found in i386. |
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| 21:25.48 | ws2k3 | search for bugzilla3 |
| 21:25.53 | jelly-home | ,v bugzilla3 |
| 21:25.55 | judd | Package: bugzilla3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.6.2.0-4.4; squeeze: 3.6.2.0-4.6 |
| 21:26.22 | jelly-home | oh, oldstable only, that probably means it's been removed from Debian since |
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| 21:27.19 | ws2k3 | so that would mean there is not coming a new version of bugzilla in debian reposity? |
| 21:27.24 | jelly-home | ws2k3: correct |
| 21:27.32 | jelly-home | ,bug 638705 |
| 21:27.34 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/638705 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: bugzilla -- RoST; open security issues, unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-08-21; last modified: 2011-09-21. |
| 21:28.45 | karlpinc | Sort of a shame, but I hear that request tracker (?) is better. Dunno. |
| 21:29.30 | jelly-home | having an unmaintained, security bugs laden package in the repos is a larger shame I guess |
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| 21:30.51 | ws2k3 | i understand |
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| 21:31.16 | ws2k3 | maby a stupid question but is the Debbugs system available for own usage? |
| 21:31.28 | ws2k3 | so can i install debbugs on my server to use it for my own purphase? |
| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | ,v debbugs |
| 21:31.44 | judd | Package: debbugs on i386 -- jessie: 2.4.1; sid: 2.4.1; squeeze: 2.4.1; wheezy: 2.4.1; experimental: 2.4.2~exp1 |
| 21:31.52 | jelly-home | apparently you can |
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| 21:32.17 | karlpinc | ws2k3: I think trac also has a bug tracking system. YMMV. |
| 21:32.29 | karlpinc | ws2k3: (debtags is your friend) |
| 21:33.09 | ws2k3 | well i'm just looking for a bug tracking system but i still dont know what to do choise bugzilla or Debbugs |
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| 21:35.04 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Install debtags and: aptitude search '~Gbugtracker' |
| 21:35.08 | nickgaw | ok why did the debian installation not copy the firmware from the system and network information to the installed system after I removed the usb stick during installation of the base system? |
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| 21:35.23 | nickgaw | the system was on line |
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| 21:37.09 | ws2k3 | karlpinc should should i do that ? |
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| 21:37.26 | karlpinc | ws2k3: It will search for bug trackers to choose from. |
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| 21:37.42 | ws2k3 | ah okay thanks you ;) |
| 21:38.30 | karlpinc | ws2k3: But it does not see request-tracker4 (or request-tracker3.8). You might "aptitude show request-tracker4" and see what the tags are and search for those. |
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| 21:39.19 | wjtaylor | I have an onboard sound card and a soundblaster audigy that I put in. I can't get sound from the sound blaster. Can someone guide me through troubleshooting? |
| 21:39.53 | ws2k3 | ah okay thanks you |
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| 21:43.46 | ws2k3 | if i only need to send out mail with a debian machine should i go for exim sendmail or postfix? |
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| 21:47.15 | karlpinc | I'm in love with postfix, but really anything will do. Use the debconf configuration tool which should run when any are installed and select smarthost. |
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| 21:50.29 | th0r | to make a long story short, I backed up /etc/mountnfs.sh and then proceeded to edit /etc/umount.sh. The edits aren't damaging, but I do now have an error at shutdown I would like to eliminate. Is there somewhere I can download the original /etc/umountnfs.sh? |
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| 21:52.23 | nickgaw | by default should the debian-installer install and setup my none-free firmware just like it did during the installation? |
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| 21:54.34 | nc90 | guys do you use cloudflare ? |
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| 22:00.27 | chrisirc | How are PDFs a security risk in Debian? |
| 22:00.42 | chrisirc | Chromium warns when downloading one. |
| 22:01.20 | chrisirc | What I've read is that Acrobat Reader had or has some (many?) issues re security. But, that program is not even in Debian. |
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| 22:02.02 | chrisirc | So, am I safe or am I not when using xpdf, is my question. |
| 22:02.14 | Baribal_ | Hi. I'm experimenting with virtualization. Are there boot-ready disk images of Debin, or will I have to create them myself? |
| 22:02.32 | nickgaw | probably safe. do you trust the author of the pdf file? if so then you are probably safe. |
| 22:03.23 | chrisirc | Well that sounds like an oxymoron. If I can trust the author and delivery, then I'm always safe. |
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| 22:04.03 | chrisirc | Baribal_, disk images of Debian? There are installer images and live images, what else do you want? |
| 22:04.11 | th0r | Baribal_, if you are using virtualbox, at one time I did find a website that had a collection of .vdi files for various OS's. Don't know if it is even still online. |
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| 22:04.59 | chrisirc | Aha, ready-to-use (i.e. installed) system images. |
| 22:05.02 | Baribal_ | th0r, KVM/QEMU/virt-manager actually, which, as far as I know, stacks up to the same result. :) |
| 22:05.27 | Baribal_ | chrisirc, exactly.Well, ready to use once you either set user/pass or get ssh credentials on it. |
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| 22:06.25 | chrisirc | I've always created my VM images by installing the OS myself. |
| 22:06.29 | Baribal_ | I guess I'll install from CD image, then figure out how to automate initial setups; I think that's what Cobbler is for, after all. ^^ |
| 22:06.54 | chrisirc | Then keeping that image around (maybe after some tweaking) and then clone from it. |
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| 22:07.46 | lenswipe2 | hey guys |
| 22:08.03 | lenswipe2 | having problems with a printer driver on samba |
| 22:08.07 | lenswipe2 | can someone help |
| 22:08.48 | chrisirc | Baribal_, that way you get Debian's security checks; I was always a bit wary using third party images. |
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| 22:09.37 | chrisirc | (What I mean is, you check the sha256 of the installer image, look it up on google, if it looks sound, you're protected by public key signatures from there on.) |
| 22:10.08 | chrisirc | (Or even, Debian installer images come with gpg signatures, too, iirc.) |
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| 22:11.39 | Baribal_ | chrisirc, that wouldn't be a concern if there were official disk images. :) But I'll consider it an opportunity to practice working with libvirts tools and exploring installation automation. |
| 22:11.49 | lotus | Hey, I just installed the ATI Proprietary driver fglrx -- I open up arandr and I now see both monitors. I do not, however, have enough room to move the monitors within arandr -- any ideas how I can make more "workspace" room in arandr? |
| 22:12.19 | chrisirc | Baribal_, aha, there are none that I know of. |
| 22:12.20 | nickgaw | by default should the debian-installer install and setup my none-free firmware just like it did during the installation? |
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| 22:15.55 | chrisirc | nickgaw, why not check /etc/apt/sources.list whether it references non-free? |
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| 22:16.33 | nickgaw | my reason is my wireless network which was working fine during the installation no longer works. |
| 22:16.48 | chrisirc | i.e. I don't know, but iirc the installer that installs from full CD only adds the security repository to the sources.list, hence, to install anything not on the CD you have to add sources yourself, |
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| 22:16.57 | chrisirc | and then it's just a question of what you add. |
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| 22:17.06 | nickgaw | and yes I chose to install none-free for this very reason. |
| 22:17.43 | chrisirc | Yeah, I think the installer does some helpful hacks that may or may not be around in the proper system. |
| 22:17.48 | nickgaw | I ran the installer with priority=low so was prompted about none-free software which I answered yes to. |
| 22:19.04 | babilen | nickgaw: How do you know that it is not working? |
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| 22:19.26 | chrisirc | The only thing I can say (I'm not really a debian guru) is that you'll have to track down what's not working now :) |
| 22:19.30 | nickgaw | I am not able to go to any local or remote addresses on the internet or my local area network. |
| 22:19.45 | chrisirc | Are you using network manager? |
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| 22:20.05 | nickgaw | no no x installed. |
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| 22:20.22 | nickgaw | but the installation worked fine and pulled in security and updates just fine |
| 22:20.26 | chrisirc | what does "iwconfig" show? |
| 22:20.31 | babilen | nickgaw: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? Is the interface configured (correctly?) in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 22:23.18 | nickgaw | just loop back is listted. |
| 22:23.21 | babilen | nickgaw: Ok, lacking any response: Make sure you have suitable firmware installed. You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line and configure the correct module/install firmware ... |
| 22:23.55 | nickgaw | I was checking just loop back is shown. |
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| 22:24.15 | babilen | nickgaw: Well, you have to configure your wireless network if you want to use it. The wiki page that I mentioned above contains information on how to do that. That being said: If you configured it during the installation it should have configured the system ... |
| 22:24.15 | chrisirc | nickgaw, ^ in iwconfig? Then you don't have firmware or driver for it. |
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| 22:25.42 | nickgaw | I will take a look at that page would removing the usb stick right after things were setup during installation have messed with something as wireless was working just fine during the installation? |
| 22:26.34 | chrisirc | nickgaw, nothing is written to the stick; you should not remove it before it tells you to remove it tho. |
| 22:26.57 | chrisirc | i.e. if it didn't get to the stage where it told you that you can remove the stick and reboot, |
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| 22:27.08 | chrisirc | then it might perhaps not have finished. |
| 22:27.11 | nickgaw | no I mean does it copy files from the stick after the first access when it loads the firmware? |
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| 22:27.45 | chrisirc | After the first access, access of what? |
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| 22:29.37 | chrisirc | nickgaw, it might be useful to boot the installer and go to a console/shell, and figure out what driver it used there. Although the installer shell is a pain to use (busybox). |
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| 22:30.30 | chrisirc | OTOH you should figure out what driver to use anyway, if there's any available at all (which it seems there is, unless the installer used some kind of last minute update). |
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| 22:34.52 | nickgaw | should I run those commands after networking is fully working during the installation? |
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| 22:36.23 | chrisirc | Which commands are you talking about? What I meant is, you could run some commands to figure out what driver the installer is using; but the page babilen pointed you to will probably not talk about the installer. |
| 22:36.59 | chrisirc | nickgaw, for "iwlist" to work you already need a driver/firmware installed. |
| 22:37.09 | chrisirc | dito for wpa_supplicant. |
| 22:37.42 | chrisirc | Actually I'm not sure that http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse will help you in the case where you're missing a driver/firmware. |
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| 22:37.59 | babilen | nickgaw: Forget the installer, you installed already. I am not sure why the installer didn't configure your network and I can only assume that you did *something* strange or that our DVD images are broken in this regard (they don't configure a network connection in /etc/network/interfaces but only network-manager) - Not sure about the latter as you would be the first one to run into this. (but then it is quite atypical to use the DVD image to ... |
| 22:38.05 | babilen | ... install a system without xorg) |
| 22:38.19 | chrisirc | nickgaw, "Once your wireless device has an interface available (verifiable with iwconfig), it is required to be configured to access a network. If you do not have a wireless interface present, please refer to WiFi for information on providing a driver for your device" |
| 22:38.45 | chrisirc | babilen, I told him/her that he/she might boot the installer again to check what driver it was using. |
| 22:39.00 | chrisirc | Just in case it doesn't become evident anyway. |
| 22:39.04 | babilen | nickgaw: You should have sure that your wireless adaptor is working (check "lspci -nn|grep -i vga", then take the PCIID (at the end, looks like [abcd:1234]) and message our bot "judd" with "judd: pciid PCIID" |
| 22:39.34 | chrisirc | vga? |
| 22:40.05 | babilen | That should tell you the module in use. You can then read the wiki page about that module, but assuming you have *all* firmware installed already you then simply have to configure the network as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line - active the interface and you are done |
| 22:40.25 | chrisirc | babilen, why grep for vga? That's got nothing to do with wifi? |
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| 22:40.35 | babilen | yeah |
| 22:40.43 | chrisirc | "lspci -nn|grep -i wireless" makes more sens |
| 22:40.47 | babilen | I meant "lspci -nn|grep -i network" (as mentioned before) |
| 22:41.15 | nickgaw | my consearn so I am redoing the installation and am leaving the usb stick in with the firmware on it in for the entire installation and currently it is downloading portions like it should. |
| 22:41.30 | babilen | I am more or less off, but wanted to at least finish that thought. I could have helped better if I had actually been given the output of the commands I asked about earlier ... but meh, clearly getting tired. Good luck! |
| 22:41.50 | babilen | nickgaw: Forget the installation - The system is installed and you simply have to configure it. |
| 22:42.24 | nickgaw | ok I will reboot out of the installation and see what I can find out. |
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| 22:42.52 | babilen | Out of the installation? Didn't you finish it after all? |
| 22:42.56 | babilen | is confused |
| 22:43.31 | nickgaw | I was redoing the installation going to leave the usb stick in for the entire time rather then removing it right after the firmware was loaded. |
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| 22:44.08 | babilen | either way .. good luck and good night |
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| 22:44.33 | babilen | make sure the firmware is installed (you can install it manually if it isn't), configure the network and reload the module(s)/reboot |
| 22:44.44 | chrisirc | nickgaw, aha that usb stick was not the boot drive containing the installer? Rather, did it contain additional drivers? |
| 22:45.13 | nickgaw | my question is do I just install all of the .debs or how do I find out what firmware files the installer loaded? |
| 22:45.54 | babilen | installing all won't hurt, but I told you how to figure out which module is needed and how to get further information earlier (see the lspci remark) |
| 22:45.54 | chrisirc | Yeah I was just wondering what firmware babilen meant to install. |
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| 22:46.34 | babilen | chrisirc: Whatever firmware (if any) is needed for the wireless adaptor (I still don't know what it is as I *still* haven't seen the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" or at least the pciid) |
| 22:46.43 | chrisirc | Yep. |
| 22:46.50 | babilen | so, shrug and good luck |
| 22:48.25 | nickgaw | can I switch to console 2 during the installation and get that information with that command? |
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| 22:49.12 | chrisirc | I'm not sure lspci is available in the installer. |
| 22:49.43 | chrisirc | As I said, the shell environment in the installer is quite a pain. |
| 22:49.56 | chrisirc | But you can always cat proc files instead |
| 22:50.21 | chrisirc | or, sometimes |
| 22:50.27 | babilen | .oO( or reboot into the working and installed system ) |
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| 22:51.14 | chrisirc | babilen, off to bed now! :) |
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| 22:53.38 | nickgaw | the system is now installing software a minimal system with no X windows and I am leaving in the usb stick with the firmware and will do so until the installer tells me to remove it might this fix my problem if I told the installer to include none-free software as I ran it with priority=low? |
| 22:54.43 | chrisirc | I think you've got something like a 5% chance that it was because you removed the stick early (I still don't know whether it was the installer stick or what it contained). |
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| 22:55.36 | nickgaw | I am using a normal debian DVD as I thought it would include everything and did not know at the time it required firmware |
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| 22:55.55 | chrisirc | So what is the USB stick holding? |
| 22:56.02 | nickgaw | and the firmware.zip was put on the root of an usb stick and unpacked into the root. |
| 22:56.13 | nickgaw | unpacked then removed |
| 22:56.15 | chrisirc | Where did you get it from? |
| 22:56.23 | chrisirc | the firmware.zip? |
| 22:56.28 | nickgaw | the firmware section of the debian wiki. |
| 22:56.32 | chrisirc | Aha |
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| 22:56.45 | chrisirc | ok. I never did that, so that's why I had to ask. |
| 22:57.15 | chrisirc | I think it's probable that loading firmware this way will just be for the duration of the installer. |
| 22:57.33 | chrisirc | i.e. that's probably a hack to enable the installer to run. |
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| 22:57.50 | chrisirc | But the installer might not know how to copy those files over into the installation. |
| 22:58.00 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello Good Sirs, I have a query to make. I recently installed the AMD proprietary triver for my computer. Upon reboting, my computer was no longer as smooth as it used to be, jumping when opening my launcher (Kde4). Anyone who can help this young penguin troublshoot the problem will be thanked. Thank you. |
| 22:58.04 | chrisirc | So as I said, perhaps a 5% chance that it will actually do that just if you leave the stick in. |
| 22:58.06 | nickgaw | you don't think it is coppied on my system after the installation? |
| 22:58.13 | chrisirc | 5% chance. |
| 22:58.56 | chrisirc | I would have said, 20% chance, but since you didn't say it reported an error that it couldnt' copy because the stick was removed, makes me think, it probably didn't even try. |
| 22:59.10 | chrisirc | When I said earlier that you have to leave the stick in till it's finished, |
| 22:59.18 | chrisirc | I wasn't thjinking about a firmware stick. |
| 22:59.31 | chrisirc | I was thinking you booted from the stick with the installer on th stick |
| 22:59.34 | nickgaw | ok that is what I thought you were thinking. |
| 23:00.10 | chrisirc | *BUT* if you're running the installer now: |
| 23:00.18 | chrisirc | try to figure out what driver it's using. |
| 23:00.39 | chrisirc | Are you ready? Then I can tell you what to do |
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| 23:02.29 | nickgaw | I am now at the busybox prompt on console 2. |
| 23:02.50 | chrisirc | Good, then try "lspci -vv|grep network" first. |
| 23:03.15 | chrisirc | Or even just "lspci". |
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| 23:04.08 | chrisirc | (The latter will show you all devices; the -vv is not needed anyway.) |
| 23:04.37 | chrisirc | What does that say? Command not found, or output something? |
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| 23:05.20 | petn-randall | chrisirc: The most important part with 'lspci -vv' is that is shows the full PCI ID. That's needed to reliably identify the device and look it up for anything. |
| 23:05.44 | nickgaw | lots of stuff but grep network does not just display the networking stuff. |
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| 23:06.11 | chrisirc | petn-randall, but the line that's filtered by grep is not chainging with -vv |
| 23:07.02 | nickgaw | network controler intel and it also sees the realtek controler. |
| 23:07.14 | chrisirc | nickgaw, That's good. |
| 23:07.26 | chrisirc | nickgaw, one of those will say "wireless". |
| 23:07.36 | nickgaw | yes intel does. |
| 23:07.39 | chrisirc | good. |
| 23:07.55 | chrisirc | so you know you've got something from intel. |
| 23:08.28 | chrisirc | Honestly I'm not sure where the PCI ID shows up. |
| 23:08.58 | nickgaw | should I hit reboot on the finish screen to see if I still have internet access yet? |
| 23:09.13 | chrisirc | Anyway; you can as well re-run lspci once you've rebooted into the normal syste. |
| 23:09.17 | chrisirc | no,wait |
| 23:09.29 | nickgaw | ok I am waiting. |
| 23:09.37 | chrisirc | Now, run "lsmod|grep intel" |
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| 23:10.02 | chrisirc | Hm, actually I'm thinking what the best way of figuring out which driver is. |
| 23:10.12 | chrisirc | I think it can be seen from ifconfig perhaps, |
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| 23:11.28 | chrisirc | aha found out how: |
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| 23:12.07 | chrisirc | nickgaw: the line from lspci that reported the wireless device, note what it said at the start of the line |
| 23:12.14 | chrisirc | something like "03:00.0" |
| 23:13.09 | chrisirc | Now if you enter this (with my example of 03:00.0): |
| 23:13.12 | chrisirc | ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/*03:00.0/driver/module |
| 23:13.27 | babilen | the command is "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 23:13.51 | nickgaw | ok but intel just lists lots of modules not really one of them as far as I know are for wireless but some say codec in their name does that mean they contain external firmware? |
| 23:13.52 | chrisirc | it will show you a symlink poining to a path that ends in /module/iwl4965 (in my case). |
| 23:13.53 | babilen | you can also run "lspci -knn" which will list the kernel modules directly |
| 23:14.19 | babilen | but seriously, we could have had configured that system ten times by now :( |
| 23:14.29 | nickgaw | true |
| 23:14.40 | chrisirc | babilen, no |
| 23:14.47 | chrisirc | you didn't say how to show the running driver. |
| 23:14.52 | chrisirc | Unless just now perhaps, |
| 23:15.00 | chrisirc | if lspci -knn does that (and what is nn?) |
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| 23:15.46 | holaxd | hola |
| 23:15.46 | babilen | "lspci -nn|grep -i network" results in something like: "03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 [8086:4238] (rev 35)" (in my case) |
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| 23:15.55 | babilen | Note the "8086:4238" at the end |
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| 23:16.21 | babilen | We use that (as explained earlier) to figure out the module and other useful information by asking out "judd" bot: |
| 23:16.26 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:4238 |
| 23:16.26 | chrisirc | babilen, that's not the module |
| 23:16.27 | judd | [8086:4238] is 'Centrino Ultimate-N 6300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4238 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 23:16.36 | chrisirc | that's a device identifier. |
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| 23:17.18 | chrisirc | There can be many modules for the same device. |
| 23:17.26 | babilen | We now know that it uses the iwlwifi module on wheezy and that the adaptor is supported by the kernel in wheezy. Now that we know that it is "iwlwifi" and that the 3.2 kernel supports it we can proceed to ask another bot (dpkg) about that module or read the wiki page |
| 23:17.30 | babilen | dpkg: iwlwifi |
| 23:17.30 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 23:17.32 | chrisirc | What I'm trying to go through with nickgaw is find out which one the installer is using. |
| 23:17.51 | babilen | So ... now adapt that example to whatever output nickgaw is using |
| 23:18.00 | chrisirc | babilen, we *don't* know |
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| 23:18.09 | chrisirc | because iwlwifi *can* handle that device, |
| 23:18.14 | chrisirc | but it needn't be., |
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| 23:18.37 | nickgaw | would running ifconfig wlan0 during the installation do any good as when the system was booted no ip address and all of the dropped and tx packets were 0? |
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| 23:18.58 | chrisirc | nickgaw, why not run the command I showed? |
| 23:19.02 | basiclaser | hey guys i'm trying to scp a id_rsa.pub public key over to another machine, but it says no such file or directory exists (the id_rsa.pub that is), even though i can see the file sitting there in .ssh |
| 23:19.04 | babilen | Once you figured out which module it is (and if it needs firmware) finish the installation and make sure that firmware-iwlwifi (or firmware-realtek) or all of the firmware packages on the USB stick are installed. (if they aren't installed you can install them manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/usb/stick/*.deb") |
| 23:19.09 | canaima172421 | alguna chica |
| 23:19.15 | basiclaser | sisi |
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| 23:20.27 | babilen | nickgaw: You still have to configure the actual network connection in /etc/network/interfaces as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line -- It might have very well been the case that your network wasn't working simply because no interface was configured. (IIRC you only had the loopback device "lo" in there, which cannot work) |
| 23:20.59 | nickgaw | iwlwifi driver in use. is that what you are looking for? |
| 23:21.08 | babilen | So, if nickgaw would be so kind to run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and give us the PCIID of the wireless adaptor ... |
| 23:21.17 | chrisirc | nickgaw, if that's what ls -l showed at the end, then yes, good. |
| 23:21.38 | chrisirc | babilen, why not let us finish my part, please? |
| 23:22.24 | nickgaw | I think it just might not be connected to the network as ifconfig wlam0 says the device exists and no not found errors. |
| 23:22.40 | chrisirc | babilen, also, if nickgaw confirms that iwlwifi was what was shown by ls -l, then you've got the answer right there. |
| 23:22.58 | nickgaw | yes this is what it looks like. |
| 23:23.03 | chrisirc | good. |
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| 23:24.20 | chrisirc | nickgaw, I'm confused about what you're asking now; you're in the installer, right? Did it not connect to the network? Why would you want to connect to it now? |
| 23:24.56 | nickgaw | still just loopback in /etc/network/interfaces what should I add to it to have my wireless network I am looking on my installed system's system. |
| 23:25.14 | th0r | canaima172421, wrong channel |
| 23:25.36 | basiclaser | guys? D: any advice plaz |
| 23:25.42 | petn-randall | basiclaser: What's the complete command you're using? |
| 23:26.12 | chrisirc | nickgaw, not so fast please. *In the installer?* |
| 23:26.44 | chrisirc | aha, " I am looking.." means, no. |
| 23:27.01 | Vicissitude | basiclaser, need the exact command |
| 23:27.13 | chrisirc | (Writing correct sentences helps me.) |
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| 23:27.44 | basiclaser | scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub/ 192.168.1.7:.ssh/authorised_keys2 |
| 23:27.47 | chrisirc | nickgaw, now the wiki page babilen linked to will help (for configuration). |
| 23:28.28 | petn-randall | basiclaser: id_rsa.pub is not a directory, you've got a traling slash. |
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| 23:29.34 | petn-randall | s/traling/trailing/ |
| 23:29.39 | basiclaser | petn-randall: thanks i only chucked that on after getting desperate :) i tried again without, same error |
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| 23:30.22 | basiclaser | i recreated the keys a few times as well, rebooted in between.. not sure why its not recognising |
| 23:30.24 | babilen | nickgaw: Did you finish the installation and rebooted into the installed system by now? |
| 23:30.28 | petn-randall | basiclaser: and 'ls -al .ssh/id_rsa.pub' shows you what? |
| 23:30.50 | nickgaw | no should I do so or stay in the installer? |
| 23:31.00 | petn-randall | basiclaser: rebooting, heh :). You've been using Windows for quite a while, right? |
| 23:31.32 | basiclaser | petn-randall: haven't used windoze in atleast two years :P |
| 23:31.41 | babilen | nickgaw: You should certainly finish the installation. You were never supposed to install again, so just finish it now. There is nothing we can do while you are in the installer. Just make sure you configure your network there. |
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| 23:32.21 | chrisirc | nickgaw, (I wonder " I am looking on my installed system's system.", hm so you didnt' reboot, were you looking at a moutn? Why does that make sense? You're just confusing, you know?), |
| 23:32.24 | chrisirc | yes, reboot, |
| 23:32.30 | chrisirc | you have all you need to know now. |
| 23:32.34 | chrisirc | iwlwifi it will be. |
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| 23:33.29 | basiclaser | petn-randall: weird! the output of your command is 'no such file or directory exists'. However from within .ssh a simple ls shows the file |
| 23:33.34 | nickgaw | should I look on the installation ramdisk at /etc/network/interfaces to see what it says? |
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| 23:34.08 | petn-randall | basiclaser: Paste the output of 'ls -al .ssh' to http://paste.debian.net please. |
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| 23:34.19 | chrisirc | nickgaw, feel free to, but it prolly won't mention wlan0 |
| 23:34.20 | babilen | nickgaw: Finish the installation, boot into the installed system and take it from there. And *do not* reinstall simply because something is not configured exactly like you want it. |
| 23:35.14 | chrisirc | nickgaw, there are many ways to configure networking, esp wireless. network/interfaces is one of them |
| 23:35.31 | chrisirc | I'm tempted to leave you with babilen now, he's eager to lead you to finish. |
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| 23:35.42 | basiclaser | petn-randall: :S no such file etc. etc. |
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| 23:35.51 | babilen | nickgaw: Just finish the installation, check if firmware-iwlwifi is installed (dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi|tail -n1" should start with "ii") -- If not: Install it manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/firmware-iwlwifi.deb", If yes: Check if your network is configured in /etc/network/interfaces (if not configure it as detailed on the wiki) |
| 23:36.06 | petn-randall | basiclaser: Well, the etc. etc. is the important part, so paste it please. |
| 23:36.14 | babilen | anyway, i'm out |
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| 23:36.56 | petn-randall | basiclaser: You can easily copy+paste from the terminal. |
| 23:36.57 | chrisirc | remembers babilen said that long ago |
| 23:37.22 | petn-randall | chrisirc: Could have been a real time saver, yes. |
| 23:37.40 | chrisirc | what? |
| 23:38.06 | petn-randall | chrisirc: Doing what babilen said. |
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| 23:38.29 | chrisirc | So what? |
| 23:38.57 | basiclaser | petn-randall: ok strange, so the first time i tried ls -al .ssh, i got 'no such file or directory', then i tried sudo and then without sudo again and i got http://pastebin.com/DTdXj7Fn (i checked the spelling too, exact same command) |
| 23:39.48 | petn-randall | basiclaser: root wouldn't solve any display problem, no need to do that. |
| 23:40.08 | petn-randall | basiclaser: The error isn't a permission problem. |
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| 23:40.39 | petn-randall | basiclaser: You sure you didn't change dirs? I can't see, you skipped the actual command line |
| 23:40.44 | basiclaser | petn-randall: ok i wasnt sure, what with copying keys and ssh and all |
| 23:40.46 | basiclaser | sorry yeh |
| 23:40.48 | nickgaw | ok the installer has the correct network interfaces file and the installed system does not so can I try to copy the working file to the none working system to see what it does? |
| 23:40.50 | chrisirc | Considering that he used a drive with special driver or firmware, and that he said he had non-free enabled, led me to point out the possibility that it may help to check what driver the installer used. Also, we got there efficiently enough re what I was concerned, w/o the mess of unclear answers etc. |
| 23:41.04 | chrisirc | petn-randall, ^. Also thanks for the dissing if it was that. |
| 23:41.11 | basiclaser | petn-randall: the first time i ran it was from inside .ssh :P and the second time from ~ |
| 23:41.22 | basiclaser | my mistake |
| 23:42.10 | basiclaser | petn-randall: that was the issue thanks, i was referring to a directory with . whilst i was in it :D |
| 23:42.46 | nickgaw | ok now I am connected! I can ping google.com |
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| 23:46.45 | chrisirc | nickgaw, cool. |
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| 23:47.37 | chrisirc | petn-randall, who are you? And why your comment? |
| 23:47.52 | nickgaw | now the next question is for read and write access for all users who have accounts as I wish to do the nfs home directory thing what is the line to add to /etc/exports for /home on my server? |
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| 23:49.27 | chrisirc | nick, again it really helps adding punctuation to your sentences. |
| 23:50.21 | chrisirc | helps to add. Whatever. You know, I'm not a native english speaker. (Correct language helps everyone, esp. language learners.) |
| 23:50.23 | nickgaw | sorry, I just wanted to get this wireless networking thing completed. |
| 23:50.40 | chrisirc | I'm saying because your last line was again without punctuation. |
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| 23:51.20 | basiclaser | excuse me petn-randall can i ask one more thing? what should expect to see in the recipient machine's .ssh folder? there is currently only the file authorised_keys2. I was expecting public and private files also |
| 23:51.58 | nickgaw | How would the /etc/exports file look for all home directories to be exported? I am trying to have /home on my local desktop system and not on my laptop, is this possible using nfs? |
| 23:52.17 | petn-randall | chrisirc: I'm a long time inhabitant of this channel. So is babilen. My statement above is self-explanatory. |
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| 23:53.02 | petn-randall | basiclaser: Only if that user uses public keys to identify himself to other servers. |
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| 23:53.12 | chrisirc | You're an agressive bastard. |
| 23:53.33 | petn-randall | Who? |
| 23:53.38 | chrisirc | you. |
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| 23:53.44 | chrisirc | That's how your comments come over to me. |
| 23:54.00 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i enable vesa from boot kernel line ? |
| 23:54.11 | petn-randall | Please refrain from ad-hominem attacks in this channel. This channel is for support only. |
| 23:54.18 | themill | chrisirc: please move on, particularly skip the name calling. |
| 23:54.23 | basiclaser | petn-randall: cool good to know |
| 23:54.24 | chrisirc | Yeah, I'll be quiet now. |
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