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| 00:01.05 | Guest47522 | Well I am trying again now |
| 00:01.13 | Guest47522 | Will tell if it works |
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| 00:04.38 | Guest47522 | nope |
| 00:05.54 | Guest47522 | So now what? |
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| 00:06.44 | Guest47522 | Is there any way to remove all symbolic links in my system? |
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| 00:07.50 | clearskies | Guest47522, I just tried that little series of steps you linked to earlier, and it works |
| 00:07.59 | Guest47522 | serious |
| 00:08.00 | Guest47522 | how? |
| 00:08.40 | clearskies | Wait - you said you used the files for the wrong arch before. What happens with the 64bit files? |
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| 00:09.17 | Guest47522 | it doesn't work |
| 00:09.24 | Guest47522 | I ran sublime_text |
| 00:09.31 | Guest47522 | said the command doesn't exist |
| 00:09.51 | clearskies | And you're sure you symlinked it into the /usr/local/bin directory? |
| 00:10.14 | Guest47522 | yes |
| 00:10.18 | Guest47522 | I am positive |
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| 00:10.59 | clearskies | One sec, I'll walk you through what I did, exactly |
| 00:11.10 | Guest47522 | For a 64bit os? |
| 00:11.15 | clearskies | Yes |
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| 00:12.39 | Guest47522 | I hate when that happens |
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| 00:13.34 | Guest47522 | In all honesty I have never had to deal with this kind of thing before so I only know what half of those commands meant. |
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| 00:14.46 | Guest47522 | You still there? |
| 00:14.58 | clearskies | Oh, turns out I did something slightly different |
| 00:15.02 | cz21 | does anyone know why i might be getting a "command not found" error when i try to use a package i have installed |
| 00:15.14 | clearskies | I misread a directory the guy wrote, here: http://pastebin.com/E2pgK6tV |
| 00:15.30 | nkuttler | cz21: what's the command + error? |
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| 00:15.50 | cz21 | bash: sandfox: command not found |
| 00:16.04 | cz21 | the command is sandfox |
| 00:16.07 | Guest47522 | So that should work |
| 00:16.09 | nkuttler | cz21: what's sandfox? |
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| 00:16.23 | nkuttler | cz21: doesn't seem to be in Debian |
| 00:16.42 | clearskies | Guest47522, they worked for me |
| 00:16.49 | cz21 | the guy who made spacefm made sandfox. i installed it from his source |
| 00:17.18 | cz21 | it's a sandboxing package for firefox |
| 00:17.37 | nkuttler | cz21: maybe the build failed, or it's not installed into your $PATH? |
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| 00:18.03 | cz21 | synaptic package manager shows it as being installed. how can i check if its in my path? |
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| 00:18.12 | nkuttler | ,v sandfox |
| 00:18.14 | judd | No package named 'sandfox' was found in i386. |
| 00:18.21 | nkuttler | cz21: where did you install it from? |
| 00:18.48 | cz21 | deb http://ignorantguru.github.com/debian/ unstable main |
| 00:18.50 | cz21 | From there. |
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| 00:18.57 | cz21 | the spacefm author also made this package |
| 00:19.03 | selim | hi can someone give me a hint how I can retry my aptitude upgrade, after it failed for every package due to "not enough space" |
| 00:19.14 | nkuttler | cz21: you should probably ask them for support |
| 00:19.15 | selim | now I have 0 upgrades left and am not able to do the upgrade |
| 00:19.26 | nkuttler | cz21: or try find / -name sandfox -type f |
| 00:19.55 | selim | is there some way to reset the package db to the status before the upgrade task?# |
| 00:20.18 | cz21 | thank you |
| 00:20.26 | cz21 | /etc/init.d/sandfox |
| 00:20.30 | cz21 | that was the result of the find |
| 00:20.31 | yeshellothere | selim: have you tried just running apt-get -f install |
| 00:20.43 | nkuttler | cz21: that's the init script, read it and see which binary it uses |
| 00:20.52 | yeshellothere | it sounds like they're probably set as broken or partially installed |
| 00:20.55 | Guest47522 | I owe you thanks |
| 00:21.09 | nkuttler | selim: do you get an error? |
| 00:21.23 | cz21 | sorry, what does that mean? |
| 00:21.23 | Guest47522 | just wish it included the download portion and you had removed the spaces in that first line |
| 00:21.26 | selim | nkuttler no, just no updates anymore |
| 00:21.31 | Guest47522 | Otherwise perfect |
| 00:21.33 | cz21 | it is a #!/bin/bash script |
| 00:21.49 | nkuttler | selim: when you run which command? |
| 00:22.07 | selim | nkuttler: apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade |
| 00:22.12 | Meep | Much better user name |
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| 00:22.35 | acu | I am trying to install wheezy amd64 in a 8 core - with Realtek RTL8169 and RTL 8111/8168b NICs - I tried everything - used the non-free firmware netinstall, and those network cards do not let me connect into the dhcp - what should I do ? |
| 00:22.38 | Meep | clearskies do you mind if I gist it |
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| 00:22.43 | abrotman | meep is a mouse here |
| 00:22.53 | Meep | Explain |
| 00:23.24 | yeshellothere | acu: do you mean you can't connect to DHCP in the installer? |
| 00:23.36 | acu | yeshellothere, yes |
| 00:23.58 | yeshellothere | acu: i see, at a terminal, does 'ip link list' show any ethernet devices? |
| 00:25.20 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: well i am looking into getting a usb to hdmi or dvi video card so i can use my external monitor |
| 00:25.33 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:25.44 | selim | yeshellothere: yes I tried that as well but 0 upgraded 0 newly installed as well |
| 00:25.48 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: i cant use my hdmi port because of the optimus crap |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | you sohuld be able to? |
| 00:26.27 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: well i am looked up and tried a few solutions but i cant get them to work |
| 00:26.59 | acu | yeshellothere, if i do ip addr or ip link I get eth0 <BRIADCAST, NYKTUCAST> nty 1500 qdisk pfifo_fast qlen 1000 |
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| 00:27.19 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: they generally go along the lines of starting another x session in something like lxce and forcing it through the hdmi port |
| 00:27.38 | acu | link ether: c8.3a (I think is MAC) vollowed by brd ff:ff: ff |
| 00:28.23 | acu | could it have something to do with EFI - if you boot in EFI the NICs to get screwed ? |
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| 00:28.53 | acu | maybe I should change the MB from EFI to BIOS |
| 00:29.04 | Meep | https://gist.github.com/RabbitofCaerbannog/5847060 |
| 00:29.10 | Meep | This should work in theory |
| 00:29.17 | Meep | I hope \mean spaces |
| 00:29.23 | Meep | *\ means |
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| 00:39.13 | kyconquers | I recently purchased a Android lucid 2 smart phone and am having some trouble being able to connect to my phone's file system and using it as a usb drive. |
| 00:39.30 | kyconquers | Is there a driver I need to install for this device? |
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| 00:40.42 | mmnicola1 | usually no, but that depends on the hardware |
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| 00:44.15 | dlynes | I'm using Wheezy, and I'm not sure whether this is a debian issue, or a kernel issue. However, my machine seems to randomly lock up. And by lock up, I mean my mouse and keyboard stop responding, and there doesn't seem to be any easily discernible reason from looking at the log files (looked for driver output and that kind of thing) |
| 00:44.24 | amphorion | kyconquers: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/use-android-mtp-on-linux/ |
| 00:45.03 | dlynes | If it helps, I'm using an AMD A8-3500M. It also doesn't seem to make a difference whether I'm using ATI native binary drivers, or the ATI drivers that came with Wheezy |
| 00:45.30 | dlynes | I also seem to get some CPU firmware bug warning when the kernel is first starting up, if that helps at all |
| 00:46.11 | dlynes | Sometimes I'll be up for a few seconds before it locks up, and other times I could be up for 1/2 day before it locks up |
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| 00:47.17 | tempspace | Has anybody seen an issue on Wheezy where almost everything is taking more virtual memory than squeeze? |
| 00:47.25 | Zharf | " MTP stands for Media Transfer Protocol, and it carries several benefits over USB Mass Storage" lawl |
| 00:47.45 | acu | dlynes: do you have solid state drive ? what file system do you use ? |
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| 00:47.55 | barfod | tempspace, not really |
| 00:47.59 | dlynes | acu, no ssds, and I'm using a mix of ext3 and ext4 |
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| 00:48.35 | tempspace | I have a bunch of app servers, upgraded 2 of them to Wheezy |
| 00:48.38 | acu | dlynes: nothing on dmesg or /var/log/ ? |
| 00:48.51 | tempspace | I have a load of 3 on my wheezy boxes and .5 on my squeeze |
| 00:48.59 | tempspace | driving me crazy |
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| 00:49.18 | dlynes | acu, no...nothing that seems to be of any particular interest in /var/log/messages, /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/auth.log, or /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 00:50.14 | acu | in bios there are some energy saving settings - I do not recall details, but they matter to ahci or whatever.... |
| 00:50.14 | dlynes | acu, and as far as typing dmesg at the time, I would have to have a non-frozen system, but I've compared timestamps to other logs to see what time it was at 0.000000 when dmesg rolled over |
| 00:50.32 | acu | dlynes, also, did you check the temperature of the cpu and mb and vga card ? |
| 00:50.39 | dlynes | acu, you're thinking power savings might be kicking in? |
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| 00:50.48 | dlynes | acu, cpu is at 40C |
| 00:51.17 | dlynes | acu, GPU is at 39C |
| 00:51.28 | acu | dlynes: it is very unlikely for a laptop, while you use it to be only 40c but I do not say no |
| 00:52.02 | acu | did you enable non-free repos ? |
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| 00:52.34 | acu | and do a linux-nonfree-firmware (something like this) - it will try to pull all the drivers from manufacturers |
| 00:53.21 | anarxia | dlynes: are you on the latest bios? |
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| 00:54.44 | acu | dlynes, also, did you try to run your laptop in different desktop environments: KDE or LXDE instead of GNOME ? |
| 00:54.44 | selim | is there any other way to reset the package list so the upgrade process just starts all over again? |
| 00:55.04 | anarxia | dlynes: are you on the latest bios? |
| 00:55.07 | dlynes | acu, Last message I got from you was 'it is very unlikely for a laptop...' before my system locked up again |
| 00:55.21 | dlynes | anarxia, Never tried updating the bios.... |
| 00:55.42 | acu | dlynes, it is tough to diagnose it without some logs, it maybe the battery is bad, perhaps something in the desktop may screw it, so trying different desktop may help too |
| 00:55.47 | dlynes | And the warning I get at startup is something about APIC500 being already registered in use, and something about IBS |
| 00:56.12 | dlynes | acu, If it helps at all, it's a brand new laptop (bought it in January), and it works flawlessly on Windows 8 |
| 00:56.50 | acu | dlynes: if I remember right this apic is related to energy savings - oh - so you have it as dual boot ? |
| 00:56.55 | dlynes | Ok, so I'll try a BIOS update (if one exists), and changing the desktop to KDE |
| 00:57.05 | dlynes | acu, No...trying that completely fubared Windows 8 |
| 00:57.11 | acu | dlynes: try lxde too, it is lighter |
| 00:57.22 | dlynes | acu, So I swap out the Windows drive and swap in the Linux drive |
| 00:57.35 | acu | dlynes: something else |
| 00:57.42 | acu | did you check your hard disk for errors ? |
| 00:57.45 | dlynes | acu, Mostly because my usb 3 external drive isn't recognized as a boot device by the bios (most of the time) |
| 00:57.56 | dlynes | acu, yeah |
| 00:58.05 | acu | in gnome there is disk utilities, there there are few choices to see how healthy your hard disk is |
| 00:58.30 | dlynes | acu, you mean disk usage analytics? |
| 00:58.37 | acu | hard disks or messed file systems can give you errors too |
| 00:58.44 | acu | no, health of the disk |
| 00:58.57 | anarxia | dlynes: you can also try memtest. RAM errors might cause crashes |
| 00:59.55 | acu | in GNOME there is DISK UTILITY - there there is SMART DATA view smar data and run selrf -tests - it will tell you everything about the hard drive - |
| 00:59.57 | kyconquers | thanks amphorion |
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| 01:01.11 | acu | dlynes: yes memory messes are also weird - though you are saying until now worked fine in W8 - but if memory chips are bad, the system behaves strangely without clear logs too |
| 01:01.20 | acu | anarxia know some stuff too :) |
| 01:01.49 | anarxia | my bet is on bios update fixing the issue |
| 01:02.00 | acu | or messes it :) |
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| 01:03.29 | anarxia | you can always rollback (like 99.9% of the time) |
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| 01:06.17 | dlynes | anarxia, ok...for some reason memtest isn't a standard boot option in debian any longer |
| 01:06.37 | anarxia | did you install the package? |
| 01:06.43 | acu | dlynes: the bios usually have a memtest - better than anything else |
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| 01:06.57 | dlynes | acu, Yeah, it still works fine in Windows 8, but then again Windows 8 doesn't tax the system in the same way Linux does, either |
| 01:09.22 | dlynes | anarxia, it is installed now |
| 01:09.59 | anarxia | it should automatically add it to the boot menu |
| 01:10.04 | dlynes | rebooting...bbl |
| 01:10.09 | anarxia | good luck |
| 01:10.14 | dlynes | Thanks for the suggestions anarxia and acu |
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| 01:26.35 | kanliot | i think i wanna switch to debian-unstable from lubuntu, but one of the things i liked about lubuntu is that nobody got upset when i asked stupid questions. Is there a forum or something for people who are basically idiots, or are you just ignoring people like me as much as you can? |
| 01:27.17 | Derpian | kanliot: I wouldn't recommend debian unstable |
| 01:27.24 | Derpian | I recommend debian testing instead |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | i wouldn't even recommend that right now |
| 01:27.53 | kanliot | i use lxde and the old packages are pretty bad |
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| 01:28.03 | abrotman | old? |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | judd: versions lxe |
| 01:28.08 | judd | No package named 'lxe' was found in i386. |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | judd: versions lxde |
| 01:28.09 | judd | Package: lxde on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.0-4; jessie: 4+nmu1; sid: 4+nmu1; wheezy: 4+nmu1 |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | i have no idea what that numbering skeep means, but seems wheezy and sid have the same |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | scheme |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | wtf is skeep |
| 01:28.44 | Derpian | kanliot: which debian release are you on now? |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | Derpian: lubuntu ... |
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| 01:29.17 | kanliot | yah |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | kanliot: regardless, version of LXDE is the same in most versions of Debian |
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| 01:29.50 | abrotman | judd: versions lxde-core |
| 01:29.53 | judd | Package: lxde-core on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.0-4; jessie: 4+nmu1; sid: 4+nmu1; wheezy: 4+nmu1 |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | yeah, still the same |
| 01:30.10 | Derpian | abrotman: well there are 3 releases in debian. Stable (Currently Wheezy/7.0), Testing (Currently Jessie/8.0), Unstable (Forever codenamed Sid), old Stable (Currently Squeeze/6.0) |
| 01:30.33 | Derpian | the main 3 are stable, testing, and unstable |
| 01:30.41 | Derpian | I don't recommend old stable |
| 01:30.46 | acu | I have a box with two Network Interface cards - One PCI Realtek RTL-8169 the other one built in motherboard RTL8111/8168B - they work fine in Squeeze (I just slapped a hard drive with squeeze and they work perfect - got DHCP and all) - however - WHEEZY they do not work - I can ifup either/or both eth1 or eth0 - but they cannot find dhcp, does anyone has a hint how this can be solved - again Squeeze works - Wheezy not |
| 01:31.01 | kanliot | well i guess i dont realy understand. if i need the version of lxde from 8 months ago, how should i be using that in debian? |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | Derpian: i'm aware of how Debian works, thank you |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | kanliot: you'd wait for the maintainer to upload it .. hasn't happened yet |
| 01:32.01 | Derpian | sorry abrotman, I meant to send that to kanliot |
| 01:32.11 | Derpian | kanliot: well there are 3 releases in debian. Stable (Currently Wheezy/7.0), Testing (Currently Jessie/8.0), Unstable (Forever codenamed Sid), old Stable (Currently Squeeze/6.0) |
| 01:32.22 | Derpian | if you read that before please disregard |
| 01:32.37 | acu | did I write my message to long ? |
| 01:32.44 | barfod | kanliot, dont let it bother you. as you learn more, the people you encounter might seems touchy. mostly every one is just trying to use language in accurate ways, by using questions to clarify instead of statements. |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | .. |
| 01:33.17 | kanliot | acu i actually have a RTL8111/8168B it was working badly with ubuntu 11.10+ then it started working with newer versions of the kernel |
| 01:33.19 | barfod | when it all works correctly though, the company is quite nice |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | kanliot: is lxde4 really that different than lxde5? |
| 01:33.48 | acu | kanliot: what version of kernel ? In which distribution ? |
| 01:34.08 | kanliot | abrotman, your milage may vary. they fixed a lxpanel bug that was pretty bad IMHO |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | kanliot: that fix may have been backported |
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| 01:36.16 | kanliot | i hate to change subjects on you. but ultimately i'd like to get RazorQT running under wayland. and be contributing to RazorQT project |
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| 01:37.13 | kanliot | acu sorry I can't dig that up right now |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | so it looks like you'd have to run jessie with all the bumps you'll get from that |
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| 01:37.32 | LinuxGuy2020 | . |
| 01:39.12 | barfod | just run the testing machine in a qemu vm. you can back it up with a single invocation of cp. |
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| 01:40.41 | acu | it is so anyoing, in squeeze RTL8111/8168B works perfectly while in wheezy not at all |
| 01:40.48 | barfod | then you arent sitting there trying to to decide which distro is best. i have a folder for each of the major distros and bsd's , and run them off of a minimal debian install. |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | acu: have you filed a bug? |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | barfod: i think the point is that he wants LXDE as his desktop .. |
| 01:41.24 | kanliot | acu i think you have to blacklist the driver or use a newer kernel newer than ubuntu 12.04 |
| 01:41.38 | acu | abrotman: no, I just found a ton of comments and forums with fixes, I thought that will fix it |
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| 01:43.04 | acu | I even compiled it from realtek still same, it seem I have to file a bug, if abrotman show me how to do it :) just let me give a more try, but I am certain now, both cards work fine in Debian Squeeze and Windows 7 (I know, this is a sin to contaminate a computer with windows :) :) |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | acu: man reportbug |
| 01:43.25 | Derpian | acu: have you tried jessie |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:43.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc5-686-pae (3.10~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 01:44.04 | acu | Derpian: no, I did not, I want to use this as a server, and not dilly dally with it - so I have to choose wheezy |
| 01:45.02 | Derpian | acu: like the others said you should try a new kernel |
| 01:45.46 | acu | Derpian: that's is for playing in sand, if you want to have something solid, changing kernels and stuff does not fly, unless you have few people on staff just to take care of repositories |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | acu: so use squeeze until a backports kernel for wheezy arrives? |
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| 01:46.48 | acu | abrotman: I will get two Intel NICs, that is all, is just a bit anoying, I never thought I could not make a bunch of NICs work |
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| 01:48.07 | acu | Intel worked always, though I do not want to sponsor monopoly and behemoths, I will need to now :) |
| 01:49.25 | barfod | i really dont see any problems with installing a new kernel. not that it is the solution. it is certainly , in no way "just another problem" |
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| 01:54.38 | acu | barfod: the problem is that if you start cracking the kernel you loose the very core of debian concept of reliability = when you update/upgrade things can go wrong if you run your own kernel, it is not as trivial, also if you get errors and things do not work, your question become irrelevant to this channel, for the latest - always latest, people run Archlinux, but if you have 15 or more virtual machines that need to be reliable, the h |
| 01:54.38 | acu | ost and the machines have to run something thoroughly tested and fixed |
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| 01:56.12 | barfod | a kernel from sid or experimental is more debian way than recompiling it. |
| 01:56.36 | P0ng0_ | Hi mumpitzel, are you around? |
| 01:57.18 | acu | barfod: but they break every two weeks :) they are moving targets |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | it's also lacking security support |
| 01:57.46 | kazagistar | I am looking to move away from Ubuntu, and Debian seemed like a logical jump... is there any kind of assurance that debian will at least support systemd in a reasonable way in the future? |
| 01:57.57 | acu | lol |
| 01:58.00 | amphorion | i think, he should try a newer kernel for testing |
| 01:58.08 | acu | kazagistar: you are funny |
| 01:58.20 | kanliot | kazagistar, i was gonna ask the same thing but for wayland |
| 01:58.53 | P0ng0_ | If not, could someone help me out? i was on here yesterday with a atheros issue. I was told to upgrade my kernel to 3.9.* from wheezy, and I attempted to do so by downloading packages from packages.debian and using dpkg. However, dependencies weren't correct and I would have had to install a library that was undesireable. I had already tried to dpkg the kernel and today when I booted, I had 3.9 as an option. My question is, since (I ass |
| 01:59.05 | P0ng0_ | install, then what will happen if I boot to it? It's first in my boot list |
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| 01:59.44 | abrotman | who told you to upgrade your kernel ? |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | kazagistar: it's already in Debian |
| 01:59.58 | kazagistar | kanliot: wayland looks a bit less controversial... it has a solid X11 transition path, and the alternative (Mir) is not particularly popular outside Ubuntu |
| 02:00.12 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: mumpitzel was helping me out |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | acu: why is that funny? |
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| 02:01.32 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: In the end it was deemed that I needed to backport it but I could not (or was worried) that I was not skilled enough to get everything properly so I did not try.. |
| 02:01.38 | kazagistar | abrotman: does it still have the issue with clashing with sysv? And... doesn't it just call the existing sysv scripts? |
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| 02:01.55 | abrotman | kazagistar: i haven't used it, you'd have to try it and see for yourself |
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| 02:02.54 | acu | abrotman: no, is not funny, kazagistar, once a package is in the official stable repositories, it is maintained for the duration that particular version is supported, some of the newer features are backported |
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| 02:03.26 | abrotman | acu: what are you talking about .. he was asking about systemd |
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| 02:04.34 | acu | this one ? http://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 02:04.48 | nickdaly | has anyone else found that the default Wheezy Gnome3 environment tends to make your system run hotter than Squeeze did? |
| 02:05.05 | nickdaly | my fan pretty much never turns off anymore, and I'm wondering if it's just me. |
| 02:05.25 | Arrowmaster | wasnt squeeze gnome2, so no 3d effects on the desktop |
| 02:05.42 | Arrowmaster | gnome3 might have the gfx card running more and needing more cooling |
| 02:06.11 | kazagistar | acu: indeed, it seems like the debian is still not sure about systemd, I was just hoping to see if there is any clarification I missed |
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| 02:07.11 | kanliot | nobody asked me, but if systemd is as buggy as pulseaudio i will go back to C=64 |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | kazagistar: right, part of the problem is that systemd doesn't work with the freebsd parts of Debian |
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| 02:09.33 | kazagistar | abrotman: indeed, though I read today that they are working on some kind of abstraction for cgroups to make it easier to port |
| 02:09.34 | sooermmd | hi |
| 02:10.00 | sooermmd | is it possible to run a Virtualbox VM on a tty? |
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| 02:11.04 | kazagistar | kanliot: well, fedora, opensuse, and arch have been ironing out the bugs for a year or two now, and there were only a very few show-stopper bugs from what I hear |
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| 02:12.42 | abrotman | kazagistar: you could assist in the development if you have that ability |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | sooermmd: you mean setup/start, etc? probably ask #vwmware, but I would think so |
| 02:13.59 | kazagistar | abrotman: I very well could develop that ability, but my low level linux hacking knowledge is pretty thin as is |
| 02:14.02 | kanliot | i'm reading that systemd/ control groups change. I guess systemd now requires that no other cgroup hierarchy exists on the system |
| 02:14.06 | sooermmd | abrotman: not vmware, virtualbox. On debian wheezy. The VM is *not* graphic (no X, only TTYs) |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | sooermmd: sorry, #vbox then |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | i'd really hope so though |
| 02:15.16 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: What would happen if I booted to the incompletely installed kernel? Will it run? |
| 02:15.57 | sooermmd | P0ng0_: try to reinstall it |
| 02:16.36 | P0ng0_ | sooermmd: I cannot install it correctly without changing some dependancy that was apparently a bad idea |
| 02:16.49 | P0ng0_ | \Something like upgrading a library to a newer edition |
| 02:16.58 | P0ng0_ | Hence why I was told to backport |
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| 02:18.31 | kazagistar | somehow, I feel that a systems programming newbie like myself would have a hard time contributing patches to something like systemd, but maybe...? |
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| 02:20.16 | abrotman | kazagistar: you could test/file bugs/triage bugs |
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| 02:27.52 | kazagistar | maybe I could help try to port init scripts? He mentioned something like 1400 scripts needed to be ported total |
| 02:28.52 | abrotman | you could try a few to see how easy/hard they are |
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| 02:29.59 | P0ng0_ | Hi, will this guide work for 64 bit wheezy? http://linuxg.net/compile-kernel-3-9-on-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 02:31.06 | abrotman | P0ng0_: why are you compiling it? |
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| 02:31.48 | dlynes | P0ng0_, it will work for 64-bit, assuming your current kernel is a 64-bit kernel, yes |
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| 02:32.14 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: I don't know how else to do it. I can't just use apt-get because of some problem. I'll try to find out what it was. |
| 02:32.15 | dlynes | P0ng0_, and that the build machine is the same as the target machine |
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| 02:33.12 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/12060 |
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| 02:33.22 | P0ng0_ | This is the output from my attempted installation yesterday |
| 02:33.40 | P0ng0_ | I was advised not to use apt as it might break things and apparently that was justified |
| 02:33.42 | nickdaly | arrowmaster: thanks for pointing that out. I'll give gnome2 mode a try next time and see what comes of it. |
| 02:33.43 | abrotman | oh, wants to upgrade libc6 .. neat |
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| 02:34.23 | P0ng0_ | I assume that's bad abrotman? |
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| 02:35.25 | abrotman | P0ng0_: it's not good |
| 02:36.01 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: Can you suggest how I can get the new kernel then? I put backports in my sources.list but I am lost from then on. Could I just follow said guide? |
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| 02:36.21 | abrotman | there isn't a newer kernel in backports yet |
| 02:36.27 | P0ng0_ | Also, why is libc6 not good? |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | P0ng0_: it's one of the very core libraries |
| 02:37.11 | P0ng0_ | So will I probably just have to keep this kernel then? |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | what's wron gwith the wireless? |
| 02:37.49 | KrisB | hello, what is the difference between running some_program and ./some_program ? |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | KrisB: depends on your path |
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| 02:38.48 | P0ng0_ | Some problem with atheros 9285, buggy wifi, drops out every few minutes and then the interface just disappears completely. Have replaced the card with the same card but a different model (so the same exact card but from another laptop) and it's the same. |
| 02:38.58 | P0ng0_ | It's a pcie card |
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| 02:41.03 | P0ng0_ | Well if I cannot get the 3.9 kernel, how can I remove it from my pc? I don't want the option to boot it if it wont work (or will it work)? Maybe I will just boot to it.. |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | P0ng0_: dpkg -p <packagename> |
| 02:41.23 | KrisB | abrotman, if my current working directory (in bash) is /home, then could does it differ? |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | KrisB: you keep binaries/scripts in /home/ ? |
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| 02:42.33 | KrisB | abrotman, yes. |
| 02:42.44 | nullby7e | does Wheezy haves backports? |
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| 02:43.50 | dlynes | nullby7e, yes, it does: https://www.google.ca/search?q=wheezy+backports&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a |
| 02:44.17 | barfod | in /home/user you have permissions, but only the super user can write to /home as a default |
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| 02:45.44 | P0ng0_ | Uh oh - uname -r outputs 3.9-1-amd64 |
| 02:45.53 | P0ng0_ | Implying that I am using the 3.9 kernel right now |
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| 02:46.07 | dlynes | P0ng0_, correct...why is that an uh-oh? |
| 02:46.22 | P0ng0_ | It seems to be working well enough to use irc then... Because I have not installed it correclty dlynes |
| 02:46.44 | dlynes | P0ng0_, what leads you to believe that it's not installed correctly? |
| 02:46.56 | dlynes | P0ng0_, is that most of your hardware isn't showing up? |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | KrisB: that's a fairly silly place to keep binaries and scripts |
| 02:47.44 | P0ng0_ | The paste I posted earlier made me believe that I had installed it incorrectly (as I would not update the lbc6) |
| 02:48.02 | dlynes | P0ng0_, libc6 isn't part of the kernel |
| 02:48.20 | P0ng0_ | dlynes: So the kernel installed fine? What's the catch? |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | it's not, it's a core library, but the kernel from sid has a dependency on a newer libc6 |
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| 02:48.44 | dlynes | abrotman, ah |
| 02:48.49 | KrisB | abrotman, thank you for advice, but it still does not answer my question. |
| 02:48.59 | P0ng0_ | I don't understand what I need to do or if I can use this kernel right now? |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | KrisB: i did answer you .. why do you ask why there's a difference? |
| 02:49.49 | dlynes | KrisB, abrotman's trying to help you avoid huge headaches down the road, not to mention possible takeover of your box |
| 02:49.50 | raSter^ | can i ask your opinion guys here |
| 02:50.22 | raSter^ | me and my friend are starting to make a whole new server. Would you recommend opteron over xeon? |
| 02:50.34 | raSter^ | will be building on debian |
| 02:50.57 | P0ng0_ | dlynes: What are the consequences of not having libc6 with the sid kernel? I am confused here. |
| 02:51.01 | raSter^ | i dont know the two chips how to perform on debian |
| 02:51.03 | dlynes | raSter^, both are good |
| 02:51.08 | KrisB | abrotman, I did not ask WHY there is a difference, I asked WHAT the difference is. |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | KrisB: okay, why are you asking? |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | KrisB: do you believe there is a difference? |
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| 02:51.38 | barfod | raSter^, look up the intel and amd manufacturing charts, choose the newest processors with the highest GHZ |
| 02:51.40 | dlynes | P0ng0_, abrotman would the better person to answer that...I wasn't aware sid had a dependency on newer libc6's |
| 02:51.40 | raSter^ | dlynes: but for the money. i think ill save more on opteron. what do you think |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | raSter^: do you have any special needs, or just a basic server? |
| 02:52.01 | raSter^ | just a basic server abrotman |
| 02:52.04 | dlynes | barfod, that's not necessarily a true comparison...1GHz on an AMD is not the same as 1GHz on an Intel |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | raSter^: then it won't matter |
| 02:52.14 | raSter^ | not that it will carry out special extensive jobs |
| 02:52.29 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: What will the consequences of not having libc6 on here be? |
| 02:52.30 | barfod | thats why i said to look up both types :P |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | raSter^: the other parts will probably be more important .. you'll likely never use all 8 cores or whatever |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | P0ng0_: probably broken apt .. try to install 'robotfindskitten' .. what does it say ? |
| 02:52.58 | raSter^ | yes abrotman, for example. an 8 core opteron against only a 4 core xeon |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | assumes it's sitll in debian |
| 02:53.02 | raSter^ | same price. |
| 02:53.06 | raSter^ | which i pick? |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | judd: versions robotfindskitten |
| 02:53.07 | judd | Package: robotfindskitten on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7320508.406-2; jessie: 1.7320508.406-3; sid: 1.7320508.406-3; wheezy: 1.7320508.406-3 |
| 02:53.12 | raSter^ | im leaning towards opteron on this. |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | giggles with joy! |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | raSter^: so do it .. |
| 02:53.25 | KrisB | abrotman, yea, like if I'm trying to compile a program from sources and type "configure", not "./configure", nothing happens. so I assume "./" means the current directory, does it? |
| 02:53.26 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: It worked |
| 02:53.28 | raSter^ | actually its also 8 core for intel. but not real 8 cores |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | P0ng0_: did you actually play it ? |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | KrisB: yes |
| 02:53.42 | dlynes | KrisB, yes |
| 02:54.16 | P0ng0_ | abrotman: I am right now, yes |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | KrisB: withou the "./foo", it needs to be in your $PATH (echo $PATH to see it) .. otherwise, you need to use "./foo" to have your shell use the binary from the current directory |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | P0ng0_: who needs an xbox?! :) |
| 02:54.30 | dlynes | P0ng0_, btw...as far as libc6 goes, 99.999% of the binaries installed on your machine are linked against it |
| 02:55.10 | P0ng0_ | dlynes: What should that mean to me? Haha. I just want to know if I can use this kernel or if things will explode |
| 02:55.13 | P0ng0_ | or not work.. |
| 02:55.18 | dlynes | P0ng0_, there's a handful that aren't, but they're also designed to be used from a minimal bootup |
| 02:55.25 | KrisB | abrotman, ok, aren't all files actually binaries (even an image or a song)? |
| 02:55.29 | raSter^ | abrotman: ive been reading the hypertransport technology AMD says. WIll that be a deal breaker in terms how my debian server will benefit to it? |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | KrisB: no |
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| 02:55.48 | P0ng0_ | so abrotman dlynes, will I be able to run this kernel then? |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | raSter^: a basic server won't notice .. |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | P0ng0_: try it and see |
| 02:56.02 | dlynes | P0ng0_, Well, abrotman was indicating that you need a newer libc for sid |
| 02:56.04 | tharkun | abrotman: I've got some isues with openssl digest can you help me out? :D |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | raSter^: you're not going to abuse your memory bandwidth, etc |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | tharkun: again ? |
| 02:56.13 | raSter^ | abrotman: will be having a shell service that might contain thousand of users |
| 02:56.13 | nevyn | raSter^: it depends on your workload. ;) |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | dlynes: that was the error he got |
| 02:56.18 | dlynes | P0ng0_, however, as I understand it, you're trying to use this kernel on wheezy, not on sid, right? |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | dlynes: http://paste.debian.net/12060 |
| 02:56.30 | P0ng0_ | dlynes: Correct |
| 02:56.31 | dlynes | abrotman, ah, ok...didn't see the pastebin |
| 02:56.34 | nevyn | but unless you understand your workload better than most you'll be unable to make a clear distinction. |
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| 02:56.54 | abrotman | could have sworn he saw a libc6 in there somewhere |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | oh, linux-kbuild-3.9 depends on an ewner libc6 |
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| 02:57.37 | tharkun | abrotman: In my example when I write Creep the hash is different as when i type creep. Do you want to taka a look at full one liner? :D |
| 02:57.40 | raSter^ | nevyn, give me an idea of workload. for example all of my shell users has its own website and runs atleast on ircd. For example i got 10,000 of them using it |
| 02:57.47 | KrisB | abrotman, wikipedia says: "A binary file is a computer file that is not a text file", so why is an image or music file not a binary? |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | tharkun: you can paste it for everyone, i'm nearly headed for bed |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | KrisB: i meant that a text file is not a binary |
| 02:58.10 | nevyn | raSter^: what is the bounding performance characteristic of your workload? |
| 02:58.24 | dlynes | P0ng0_, if you read the beginning of your pastebin, it didn't install the new libc6, because you don't have a newer glibc locales to match |
| 02:58.37 | tharkun | abrotman: Sleep tight :) |
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| 02:58.45 | abrotman | tharkun: ther'es also a #openssl |
| 02:58.47 | P0ng0_ | I understand that, which is why I am trying to work out if this kernel will be usable for me or not |
| 02:58.50 | dlynes | P0ng0_, and judging by the output, I would agree with abrotman that it's probably not going to work properly |
| 02:58.56 | dvs | bangs cymbols outside abrotman's bedroom |
| 02:59.02 | tharkun | abrotman: Forget about it. I was Teasing you :) |
| 02:59.13 | nevyn | if a website runs in the cloud and gets no hits does it consume any resources? |
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| 02:59.30 | P0ng0_ | Right, so I'll remove it. dpkg -P tells me that I need to specify names, not files I installed - How can I undo this mess? |
| 02:59.36 | raSter^ | nevyn: i wouldnt know. I still should run a statistic test on it |
| 02:59.41 | KrisB | ok then, why isn't a text file a binary file? |
| 02:59.51 | dlynes | nevyn, hard drive space, memory, and hits from spiders and script kiddies |
| 02:59.56 | tharkun | nevyn: a fuzy answer to a fuzy question. Depends |
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| 03:00.11 | nevyn | dlynes: it was ment to be a riff on "if a tree falls in the forest..." |
| 03:00.15 | P0ng0_ | I have to go, thanks for the help dlynes and abrotman |
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| 03:01.09 | dlynes | nevyn, ah...iow, you're bored |
| 03:02.36 | nevyn | dlynes: well it was more a direct reflection of the fact that 10,000 websites on a system doesn't tell you much about the workload. |
| 03:02.42 | nevyn | 13:02 < raSter^> nevyn, give me an idea of workload. for example all of my shell users has its own website and runs atleast on ircd. For example i got 10,000 of them using it |
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| 03:05.36 | raSter^ | whats your comment on that nevyn? |
| 03:06.06 | nevyn | raSter^: a idle website doesn't use any cpu ;) |
| 03:06.07 | raSter^ | i mean atleast every shell user uses 1 irc connection rather. not ircd |
| 03:06.59 | raSter^ | ok for example ill use it as another freenode irc server |
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| 03:07.20 | raSter^ | (well i dont know if that is resource consuming as well) |
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| 03:07.59 | Kilhd | Hi, I followed a guide to install netflix-desktop on my system and I got everything working but the sound(I have sound in native applications) Anything you guys can think that might cause sound not to work here? (Wheezy 3.2.0-4-amd64) |
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| 03:09.02 | kazagistar | hmm, so it looks like the systemd version in Sid is about 20 releases behind upstream |
| 03:09.05 | dlynes | Kilhd, does sound work in everything else? |
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| 03:09.31 | Kilhd | Yes... VLC works fine |
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| 03:09.56 | Kilhd | and Rythmbox |
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| 03:21.51 | nevyn | raSter^: so a socket some ram and a terminal. (you might want to check the number of pty's (it's runtime tunable tho) |
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| 03:44.15 | xiaorong | After i update debian from 6 to 7.I found my mysql and all my data is missing.where can i find my data? |
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| 03:46.39 | squisher | xiaorong, there was an upgrade from mysql 5.1 to 5.5 |
| 03:46.57 | squisher | afaik mysql automatically upgrades the data though |
| 03:47.20 | rjsalts | xiaorong: if the package was removed then the data should still be in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 03:48.41 | xiaorong | after i update 7,i found mysql is not installed automatilty. |
| 03:49.24 | mumpitzel | it should be. but if it's not, then reinstall it |
| 03:49.55 | xiaorong | and i need install it by hand.but my data in mysql5.1 is missing. |
| 03:50.17 | xiaorong | Can i found it back. |
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| 03:58.19 | tharkun | xiaorong: /var/lib/mysql should have your data. But then you should have backed up stuff before upgrading. |
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| 04:05.38 | raSter^ | nevyn: another thing |
| 04:05.53 | raSter^ | do i really need to use a server machine if i want to put up a server? |
| 04:06.00 | raSter^ | or will the desktop boxes can be fine? |
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| 04:06.23 | fluffywolf | who was it here who had the bike light explode, and anyone have the url to the pics handy? someone is questioning the usefulness of protected cells. :) |
| 04:06.23 | raSter^ | im also thinking of low power so that it doesnt consume much energy |
| 04:07.17 | squisher | raSter^, that totally depends on what you want to use it for... a low power desktop can be fine when you don't require much of it |
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| 04:10.58 | barfod | raSter^, all of my computers are servers and desktops. thats sort of the expense my family takes for using my computers. they are all serving something |
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| 04:12.44 | condenado | hello |
| 04:13.08 | barfod | ideally your users arent sitting their clicking away and watching youtube + dl bunches of crap. but all said and done, it will be a practically unnoticeable difference. if you have all modern equipment |
| 04:13.18 | condenado | is there a way to install glibc 2.15 and leave it in a different path so a particular application (steam) may use it? |
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| 04:17.26 | squisher | condenado, search the steam forums, there is a post on there about debian |
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| 04:17.50 | squisher | in unstable it's even packaged (but not easy to use in stable, go read the forum) |
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| 04:26.40 | Coburn | wow |
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| 04:26.47 | Coburn | Wheezy 7.1 got released? |
| 04:27.02 | xiaorong | when i install mysql5.5,i find this problem :Package mysql-server-5.5 is not configured yet. and i can't start mysqld. |
| 04:27.02 | Derpian | condenado: add the debian experimental repo and just run sudo aptitude install steam |
| 04:27.03 | Coburn | Damn, that's fast - I thought it was going to be 7.0.1 |
| 04:27.22 | Coburn | xiaorong: do dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:27.42 | Coburn | it means that the package is awaiting configuration |
| 04:27.47 | Coburn | or try apt-get -f instal |
| 04:27.49 | Coburn | install* |
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| 04:30.13 | xiaorong | i use apt-get -f install, it appear "unable to set password for mysql root user. |
| 04:32.12 | Coburn | xiaorong: try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 04:36.37 | dlynes | hrm...weird....seems gnome is locking up my machine on wheezy...switching to kde seems to have solved it |
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| 04:45.30 | xiaorong | Coburn,i have tried all you advice.it didn't work,and then i remove mysql-*.and install again.it appears "dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.5 (--configure)" and not more useful message.i thind it would be a bug. |
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| 04:48.56 | Coburn | xiaorong: you might want to consider using the mariadb distro |
| 04:49.03 | Coburn | which is mysql, only opensourced |
| 04:49.11 | Coburn | sorry, not a distro, replacement |
| 04:49.44 | moof2_ | or consider postgres if you're writing a new app |
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| 04:51.03 | xiaorong | i use php and python,so maybe sqlite3 is a good choice. |
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| 04:52.51 | mnach | hi everyone! do you know why `apt-get upgrade` dont upgrade all installed packages ? it tells me: |
| 04:52.51 | mnach | >> The following packages have been kept back: <list of packages> |
| 04:52.51 | mnach | And how i can upgrade this packages? Thanks! |
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| 04:53.58 | moof2_ | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:55.09 | mnach | Great! It works! |
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| 04:55.37 | moof2_ | just upgrade is like safe-upgrade, and only upgrades the packages you have as opposed to also allowing situations where upgrading a package also involves installing a dep that happens to be a new package |
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| 04:57.59 | mnach | Ok, i understand, i'll be carfull with dist-upgrade, and read all notes below |
| 04:58.30 | mnach | dancing cha-cha-cha |
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| 04:59.34 | xzased | hi there, does anyone know if wheezy uses biosdevname? |
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| 05:01.54 | mutable_malachi | Hey, guys. I have a machine running 7.0. I can boot an amd64 kernel on it, but the packages are currently compiled against 386. |
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| 05:02.09 | mutable_malachi | How can I change the architecture of my install without popping in a CD? |
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| 05:07.50 | sideup66 | hi room |
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| 05:09.22 | sideup66 | if anyone is around, im working on debian 7 again, this time im trying to adjust hdparm to spin down hard disks I have after a interval of time, while I can test the command using hdparm -s /dev/devx, it will work fine, however when I replace that with a uuid string, it will give the error that the file or directory is not found, does anyone know how to set this properly or why it will not work addressing the drives via uuid? |
| 05:09.46 | sideup66 | The reason for the uuid point is to make the command stick, as /dev/devx changes every time the system is booted |
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| 05:11.25 | rjsalts | mutable_malachi: http://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 05:12.14 | histo | sideup66: I don't see anything in hdparm's docs about specifying uuid |
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| 05:14.10 | sideup66 | histo: so i guess its impossible, my google foo says people over on ubuntu are doing it...I know its not debian but services like this are similar in both distros |
| 05:14.44 | histo | sideup66: also uuid specifies filesystems not disks |
| 05:15.07 | tharkun | sideup66: did you try /dev/disk/by-uuid/your_uuid_here ? |
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| 05:15.35 | sideup66 | tharkun: thats exactly the string I modified too attempting uuid, and it would throw the not found error |
| 05:15.37 | mutable_malachi | rjsalts: thank you! |
| 05:16.16 | tharkun | sideup66: those are all links to different partitions not the disk itself |
| 05:16.41 | barfod | use blkid -U to get the drive /dev/sdX label from the UIUD |
| 05:16.42 | histo | sideup66: Which I don't understand how you are going to set hdparm's on a partition |
| 05:16.45 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.11 | sideup66 | hdparm: im doing it wrong then |
| 05:17.22 | mutable_malachi | rjsalts: It looks like I'll have to purchase an external CD drive. It's a production server so I can't take any chances. :) |
| 05:17.30 | histo | tharkun: uuid's refer to filesystems not disks |
| 05:17.40 | barfod | so hdparm $(blkid -U "XXXXXX") sort of thing should work |
| 05:17.44 | sideup66 | thanks for the tip guys |
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| 05:18.28 | tharkun | histo: yes I know |
| 05:18.45 | histo | tharkun: he's trying to set hdparm on a disk has nothing to do with his partitions |
| 05:18.58 | tharkun | histo: yes, I know |
| 05:19.37 | tharkun | sideup66: /dev/disk/by-id/ might have some information you want |
| 05:19.39 | histo | tharkun: then why are you giving him instructions for determining the uuid of his filesystems |
| 05:19.40 | sideup66 | ok I had done that, and gotten the listing of the disks, /dev/sdx uuid= xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 05:20.22 | histo | sideup66: if you look those uuid's just point at filesystems not devices |
| 05:20.23 | tharkun | histo: ls -lah /dev/disk/by-uuid/ will tell you that |
| 05:20.46 | histo | tharkun: no just points at filesystems not disks |
| 05:21.34 | histo | sideup66: you can't use hdparm with uuid to answer your question. But you can keep following the nonsensical trail that tharkun is laying out for you. |
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| 05:22.28 | sideup66 | so I need to essentially find anoter tool/daemon to do this? |
| 05:22.40 | tharkun | histo: on /dev/disk/by-uuid/ you have simlinks to ../../yourdisk1 ../../yourdisk1 and so on which can be spotted with ls -lah |
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| 05:23.26 | tharkun | sideup66: ls -lah /dev/disk/by-id/ does have links to your disks you might as well try the one with no numbers on the target |
| 05:23.52 | sideup66 | ok tharkun |
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| 05:24.27 | histo | tharkun: Look closely at your results you will see they are symlinks to partitions sda1 etc... |
| 05:24.41 | sideup66 | whole point is when I first loaded debian (6) it used to sleep automagically with me doing nothing, then after updating a bit, it stopped, its a home server and since the system isnt accessed 24/7 it would be smart to put the disks to sleep when the system is not in use |
| 05:24.52 | sideup66 | only desktop drives, not server grade, rather not kill em |
| 05:25.04 | histo | sideup66: sata drives? |
| 05:25.31 | tharkun | histo: ls -lah /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 05:25.49 | sideup66 | yup |
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| 05:26.46 | sideup66 | histo: yes, sata drives |
| 05:27.20 | sideup66 | tharkun: when i run /dev/disk-by-uuid it doesnt like me and still doesnt know where their going :/ |
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| 05:28.11 | histo | tharkun: now using the disk id may be an option |
| 05:28.50 | moof2_ | sideup66, what does it do that doesn't serve? |
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| 05:29.36 | sideup66 | moof2: do you mean the error or its day to day activity? |
| 05:29.39 | histo | sideup66: you can't use the uuid as I've said. You should be able to /dev/disk/by-id/.... use those for the sdX |
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| 05:29.56 | sideup66 | histo: that doesnt even work |
| 05:30.19 | sideup66 | moof2_: it is idle when not in service, it hosts file, will point to web for sftp/ssh access |
| 05:30.26 | sideup66 | also hosts file and upnp locally |
| 05:30.31 | histo | sideup66: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id should work |
| 05:30.40 | sideup66 | histo: it doesnt exist |
| 05:30.43 | sideup66 | no file or directory |
| 05:30.56 | moof2_ | you're saying something I couldn't get the meaning of... when you run /dev/disk0by-uuid, it doesn't like you... I understand the phrase, but not understanding what you want |
| 05:31.20 | sideup66 | oh sorry moof, i mean that it is throwing an error |
| 05:31.20 | histo | sideup66: by-id != by-uuid notice the difference |
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| 05:31.44 | histo | sideup66: uuid's point to filesystems you need to point to disks so you have to use unique id's |
| 05:31.50 | sideup66 | histo: both cases are no |
| 05:31.52 | histo | sideup66: for the disks the by-id directory |
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| 05:32.03 | SuperPhly | hey guys, i'm using the new init scripts for squeeze… is there a init script template for starting a service? |
| 05:32.04 | histo | sideup66: the error you posted is because you used uuid |
| 05:32.14 | sideup66 | histo: i failed |
| 05:32.27 | moof2_ | sideup, can you tell which executable is throwing the error? |
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| 05:32.39 | sideup66 | histo: got em, sorry, i was forgetting the / before the foldername, oops |
| 05:33.28 | sideup66 | moof2_: essentially im trying to set hdarm sleep schedule to put my hard disks to sleep via hardware id as the /dev call changes every boot cycle |
| 05:33.39 | sideup66 | and when setting by id, the system will throw errors |
| 05:34.18 | histo | sideup66: please show us the command you are using |
| 05:34.48 | sideup66 | histo: i ran ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 05:35.20 | moof2_ | and so ls is throwing an error? |
| 05:35.44 | sideup66 | and I have alot of output, not to ask stupid questions but what ids, specifically am I looking for as it seems to list 2 for the disks im interested in, it shows sdb and sdb1 |
| 05:35.48 | histo | sideup66: yes and are you using the id that is symlinked to your disk /dev/sda or whatever |
| 05:35.49 | sideup66 | and has two different ids for them |
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| 05:36.03 | sideup66 | ok so sda1 is my partition? |
| 05:36.08 | histo | sideup66: use sdb ..... sdb1 is a partition |
| 05:36.19 | moof2_ | certainly 'a' partition |
| 05:36.28 | histo | sideup66: yes the # signifies what partition it is |
| 05:36.37 | histo | sideup66: sdX <---- is your disk |
| 05:37.31 | histo | sideup66: sdX# <-------- signifies which partition |
| 05:38.01 | moof2_ | like sdX2 |
| 05:38.06 | histo | sideup66: That's why I was stating earlier that UUID's point to partitions and you cannot set hdparms on partitions |
| 05:38.38 | histo | sideup66: disk ID's are predictable and will not change they use model and serial number I believe to generate them. |
| 05:38.39 | sideup66 | thanks for the tip, histo |
| 05:38.48 | sideup66 | let me adjust this command then :) |
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| 05:40.25 | sideup66 | and that worked, thanks histo |
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| 05:42.35 | sideup66 | just tested with a 30 second interval and i heard them both spin down |
| 05:42.53 | sideup66 | putting them up to 3 hours for production, should be plenty of uptime for a server disk |
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| 05:44.11 | sideup66 | thanks again histo and others for the help |
| 05:44.14 | histo | sideup66: what was it set at by default? |
| 05:45.06 | sideup66 | histo: im not sure because it couldnt specify |
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| 05:46.05 | sideup66 | it said when i ran hdparm -I somthing to the tune of: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum |
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| 05:46.14 | sideup66 | under the part for standby timer values |
| 05:47.32 | sideup66 | does that mean that somthing else is controlling it? |
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| 05:51.27 | sideup66 | histo: are you still there |
| 05:51.28 | sideup66 | ? |
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| 05:53.54 | moof2_ | elkng, unfortunately I've never seen it work that way... but one thing you can do is iterate over $PATH, looking for pathelement/*yourword |
| 05:54.38 | moof2_ | if you look at the value of $PATH, you'll see dirs separated by :, each are what I'm calling pathelement |
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| 05:56.08 | jgiorgi | just upgraded to wheezy and the new dovecot which seems to have moved all the config around, where are directives like protocols, disable_plaintextauth and mail_location now? |
| 05:56.10 | sideup66 | well i set the timer, im going to let my system idle tonight and ill check it at some point tomorrow to see if the drives indeed went to sleep |
| 05:56.26 | sideup66 | i just want to make sure my sleep schedule is going to work as I planned it |
| 05:56.55 | sideup66 | thanks again for the help, ill probably be around tomorrow to make sure its doing everything and or lock it permanently into the config file |
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| 06:19.49 | dlynes | fwiw, if anyone here seems to be getting random lockups with Wheezy, replacing Gnome with KDE or some other window manager should fix the problem |
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| 06:29.22 | pav5088 | Hi all... I submitted a Slashdot story on Rap News. It's a satirical look at various topics, with a major focus on the erosion of internet civil liberties. The latest installment is on the Snowden case : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnMPQmIPibE |
| 06:30.00 | pav5088 | If you like it could you please take the time to upmod my submitted story on these guys? : http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=2747953 |
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| 06:31.25 | themill | bad pav5088 |
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| 06:33.30 | pav5088 | themill, :-/ |
| 06:33.47 | pav5088 | themill, bad in the "hall him off to gitmo" sense? |
| 06:34.38 | themill | pav5088: bad in the "/mode #debian +b" sense ;) (please don't link spam) |
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| 06:34.56 | epitamizor | unfortunatly rap + news = people walking away |
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| 06:36.11 | pav5088 | epitamizor, even if it's comedy? with a call to concrete action at the end of many installments? |
| 06:36.20 | epitamizor | if was boobs + news it might be the other way around |
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| 06:37.51 | pav5088 | epitamizor, there's a satirical Star Wars spoof one... with nordic females in lingerie and stormtrooper helmets hauling off Julian Assange. That's the best they've got though... |
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| 06:46.11 | jgiorgi | i have dovecot running as a vmail user but the auth-master socket is owned by root, how can this be corrected (changing permissions only lasts till reboot) |
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| 06:49.39 | zeeflo | Hey. Just to confirm, this cronjob : * 12 * * * rsync -avzi ftp.blababla will run every 12th hour of every day right? |
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| 06:57.43 | jelly-home | zeeflo: wrong! Specify a minute instead of leaving it at * |
| 06:57.57 | zeeflo | could 01 be fine? |
| 06:58.14 | zeeflo | or is it just 1 |
| 06:58.15 | jelly-home | zeeflo: yes |
| 06:58.25 | jelly-home | zeeflo: both work fine |
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| 06:58.59 | zeeflo | Alright. Thanks |
| 06:59.05 | jelly-home | zeeflo: also, "12" is just 12. Won't work at minute after midnight if that's what you want, just at minute after noon. |
| 06:59.39 | zeeflo | if I would want it 1 minute after midnight I would just do, 1 12,24 right ? |
| 06:59.51 | jelly-home | or 1 */12 * * * |
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| 07:00.08 | zeeflo | ah ok |
| 07:00.08 | jelly-home | or 1 0,12 * * * |
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| 07:00.15 | zeeflo | ok |
| 07:00.20 | zeeflo | thanks |
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| 07:02.34 | zeeflo | jelly-home, is it possible to try and run the cronjob (force) ? |
| 07:02.54 | zeeflo | i dont see any help for cron --help |
| 07:03.06 | jelly-home | zeeflo: not that I know of |
| 07:03.10 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 07:03.22 | jelly-home | you can set up a copy runnin two minutes from now |
| 07:03.49 | jelly-home | (why two? the next minute cron just rereads the configs but does NOT run any new jobs) |
| 07:04.18 | zeeflo | ok |
| 07:04.36 | zeeflo | well.. Ill just let it run and check logs tomorrow |
| 07:04.42 | zeeflo | im sure it will work.. |
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| 07:08.53 | Mackwerk | Hello! I have rabbitmq on debian, but I am trying to find the logs to find out why I couldn't connect all of a sudden. I can't even find the config file, does anyone know where either the config file or the log files are stored by default on debian? |
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| 07:10.01 | Mackwerk | uh! Found it now... Sorry :o |
| 07:10.22 | jelly-home | Mackwerk: you can take a look at the package contents with dpkg -L packagename, for a start. Also, there's usually a /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian.gz which details distro specifics |
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| 07:10.42 | Mackwerk | jelly-home, oh cool, good to know, thanks :) |
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| 07:43.26 | jdoles | How can I select elements from an XML document on the shell? So: cat foo.xml | ???? '//foo/bar' => <bar>ori</bar> |
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| 07:46.25 | themill | jdoles: xmlstarlet is the best way. It's a bit painful at times, but normally works ok. |
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| 08:12.51 | jack_guru | I am on a network without dhcp and trying to connect to ethernet in gnome. When I open Network Manager on the ethernet tab it says "unmanaged". I tried changing to managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf but when I hit the options button on network manager everything is grayed out |
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| 08:13.17 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 08:13.18 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 08:15.43 | CalimeroTeknik | say, why would postgis, which is coded in C, would have java as a build-depend? |
| 08:16.30 | SKYLAKE-10nm | .* |
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| 08:20.18 | CalimeroTeknik | hum. dpkg-buildpackage complains a lot about modified files in the sources, how does it even know? |
| 08:20.42 | jack_guru | ok.. the solution is is here |
| 08:20.43 | jack_guru | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=104561 |
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| 08:23.00 | CalimeroTeknik | oh oops, subfolder of the same name as the package :| |
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| 08:27.07 | DarsVaeda | is there some tool that can notify me if the connection to the online network is lost? |
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| 08:35.22 | moof2_ | DarsVaeda, what machine would you have to reach to decide you're connected to the net? |
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| 08:37.30 | DarsVaeda | random, maybe google, or just any that is not likely to be down |
| 08:38.26 | moof2_ | you know that bash's if accepts the exit status of an executable? |
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| 08:39.16 | moof2_ | you can do something along the lines of: if ping -c 1 some.si.te |
| 08:39.29 | DarsVaeda | I thought more of a gui tool, maybe even one that can trigger a notification |
| 08:39.57 | DarsVaeda | I mean the network manager notifies if the local network is down, such |
| 08:40.17 | moof2_ | better to check the man page for ping to make sure its exit status means it received a ping reply from some.si.te |
| 08:40.56 | moof2_ | oh, I'm not that familiar with nm |
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| 08:45.25 | moof2_ | but I do know that you can test ping or fping to see if it succeeded |
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| 08:57.06 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: If you explain more detailled, what you want to do. BTW is is the jobs of the devices providing the external connectivity. eg. your external firewall. |
| 08:58.09 | DarsVaeda | my connection is down very often I just want to know when it is the case |
| 08:58.30 | DarsVaeda | (without manually checking) |
| 08:59.00 | DarsVaeda | I mean if there is no tool, so what, but though maybe there is one :) |
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| 09:00.35 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 09:01.44 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: which device provides your Internet connection? Most Router/Firewalls can send SNMP traps on link down/up events to a given target |
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| 09:02.30 | Nebukadneza | for some strange reason i cannot start pavucontrol (pulseaudio volume thingy) anymore. it moans about a missing libjson, however libjson is there and ldconfig knows about it: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?817 -- so i'm a bit lost at what to do here ;/ |
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| 09:05.46 | DarsVaeda | ChrisH, we have some router from the provide which is the most outer point, but I can't configure that one |
| 09:05.57 | DarsVaeda | +r |
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| 09:09.13 | Nebukadneza | mh, noone? :( |
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| 09:10.01 | DarsVaeda | hmm watchping can email...that might be an option |
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| 09:15.22 | CalimeroTeknik | say, I put a rule override_dh_auto_test: that is empty in rules to make a package |
| 09:15.26 | CalimeroTeknik | it still runs the tests |
| 09:15.52 | CalimeroTeknik | dh_auto_test still runs, that is |
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| 09:16.31 | CalimeroTeknik | how do I make it so it doesn't run? |
| 09:17.08 | CalimeroTeknik | debian's packaging tools do everything I don't want but rarely what I want |
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| 09:18.11 | tgs3 | how are you benchmarking general performance (speed) of system? cpu hdd mem etc |
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| 09:20.03 | CalimeroTeknik | tgs3, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and benchmarks |
| 09:20.30 | CalimeroTeknik | that being said, hdparm -t /dev/sdx will be a good test for sequential reads on a block device |
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| 09:21.38 | CalimeroTeknik | that only indicates at which speed you can say, replicate the device. |
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| 09:22.02 | Knaldgas | Anyone know a server-based application for uploading a set of files, then get a "secret" link, which then can be sent to the person(s) that may download these files? I'm not quite sure what keywords to use, any hints? |
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| 09:26.20 | tgs3 | Knaldgas: something like pastebin for files.. maybe img bay has open source |
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| 09:27.12 | Knaldgas | tgs3: exactly, something like pastebin for files. |
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| 09:30.49 | alpheb | Knaldgas: try https://coquelicot.potager.org/ which has a debian package available |
| 09:31.11 | neon__ | anyone know how to keep the settings of nvidia x server setting? |
| 09:31.42 | Knaldgas | alpheb: Looks very interesting, thanks! |
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| 09:31.59 | CalimeroTeknik | well of course neon__. it can output a xorg.conf file. |
| 09:32.04 | CalimeroTeknik | look better |
| 09:32.47 | CalimeroTeknik | anyway you can call it with -d or something, alternatively |
| 09:33.06 | CalimeroTeknik | at session startu |
| 09:33.08 | neon__ | CalimeroTeknik, does that include the GPU Fan settings? |
| 09:33.40 | CalimeroTeknik | no idea; running it at session startup with -d or something will do the trick I think. |
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| 09:33.53 | CalimeroTeknik | I don't have an nvidia bloat to test this at the moment; |
| 09:34.14 | CalimeroTeknik | the ./configure script of this postgis causes dpkg-buildpackage to complain about modified sources; hell why yeah, of course ./configure is supposed to make some modifs to the sources! |
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| 09:34.43 | babilen | neon__: Refer to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
| 09:34.44 | CalimeroTeknik | should I run ./configure before calling the dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 09:34.46 | CalimeroTeknik | this is nonsense |
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| 09:35.30 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: You shouldn't call ./configure at all as that is done during the package build anyway |
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| 09:35.54 | CalimeroTeknik | well, dpkg-buildpackage calls ./configure by default. |
| 09:36.11 | CalimeroTeknik | and then complains that the sources have been modified |
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| 09:36.30 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: That sounds like broken packaging -- Which Debian source package is that? |
| 09:36.31 | CalimeroTeknik | what would be the "good" way of getting it to build? |
| 09:36.45 | CalimeroTeknik | I'm just trying to package postgis |
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| 09:37.25 | CalimeroTeknik | from my experience, reusing debian source packages is almost impossible (say the one for v2.0.1, to build v2.0.3) |
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| 09:37.41 | babilen | That is not true, but either way. |
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| 09:37.47 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: Ah, you might have more luck in #debian-mentors with questions about packaging. Please note that postgis has already been packaged in Debian. |
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| 09:37.58 | CalimeroTeknik | but not 2.0.3 |
| 09:38.13 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: The channel is, with the rest of the official ones, on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 09:38.27 | Blinkiz | Hello. Am having trouble getting ssh to accept login with publickey. I have uploaded (ssh-copy-id) to my server so it exist in /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys. I have in my sshd_config PubkeyAuthentication yes and AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys. Still is does not accept publickey |
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| 09:38.39 | CalimeroTeknik | okay, thanks |
| 09:38.40 | Blinkiz | Works fine on my other servers |
| 09:38.46 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: So, your *real* question is: How do I get postgis 2.0.3 on Debian $DEBIAN_VERSION? |
| 09:39.06 | CalimeroTeknik | I have a lot of other packages to make |
| 09:39.08 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: You realise that I have no idea what you are doing and that I have to guess from the little information you provide, don't you? |
| 09:39.31 | CalimeroTeknik | I don't know what to provide, maybe a tar of my debian/ folder? |
| 09:39.37 | CalimeroTeknik | for the build |
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| 09:42.05 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: You find packages for 1.5.3 in Debian and I wouldn't necessarily expect the packaging to be compatible with 2.0.3. You probably want to get in contact with http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis for information about that and file a wishlist bug against postgresql-9.1-postgis ("New upstream version available or something like that ...") -- If you still want to package the new version yourself then I would kindly ask you to take it to ... |
| 09:42.11 | babilen | ... #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:42.51 | babilen | CalimeroTeknik: Oh, and there is even #debian-gis on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) -- Ask them directly for help as they are the people who *will* know their packaging. |
| 09:44.12 | CalimeroTeknik | yup, I went to #debian-mentors |
| 09:45.06 | kaste | Blinkiz: check your permissions, usually when that happens to me, the .ssh dir is readable by the group or similar |
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| 17:52.37 | metaphysician | maroloccio: I guess no. The Contents-* lists don't mention file types. |
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| 17:53.30 | maroloccio | Unless `find' had a way to read files to search from an input file.. does it? |
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| 17:53.57 | maroloccio | `rsync' can.. I don't need anything portable outside GNU, btw |
| 17:54.53 | greycat | I don't get what you're asking for. You wanted to get package file metadata without downloading the packages, so you're reading this apt-file thing, but where does 'find' come in if there are no actual installed files? |
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| 17:55.45 | barfod | metaphysician, use "apt-file search package_name" to look for the locations and names of files associated with different programs |
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| 17:56.26 | barfod | ofc find woul wok, but i doubt you are looking for something random. its probably a system library or conf file ( that one generally needs). apt-file is perfect for this |
| 17:57.22 | barfod | it searches all packages though. not just the ones installed on your machine. but thats fine, use dpkg --get-selections to show the packages you have installed |
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| 17:58.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm trying to use mkinitramfs to make a lzop-compressed initramfs, but no matter if I set that in the config or with -c on the cmdline, I get a gzip-compressed one. Any clue why? |
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| 17:58.50 | maroloccio | greycat: let me explain. apt-file returns a list of all files matching a pattern.. i am interested only in files matching the specified pattern _and_ exhibiting some properties, e.g. chmod +x |
| 17:58.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | 'file' tells me it's gzip-compressed |
| 17:59.45 | maroloccio | i could loop over the list using awk/bash and [[ -x $item ]] to check for perm mask 1 |
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| 18:00.15 | barfod | maroloccio, you want to use find then. and yes it accepts input files, if not then $(cat | awk) them into it |
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| 18:00.58 | greycat | maroloccio: So you're only interested in gathering these metadata on files that you get from apt-file which *ALSO* happen to be installed already? |
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| 18:01.18 | maroloccio | barfod: executable example of using `find' reading a list of files from a input file? (I suppose I should generate the list using NUL though, and that must be built into the front-end pattern-matchin tool..) |
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| 18:02.16 | maroloccio | greycat: i'll try to explain. i want this: give me all files provided by packages whose filename matches pattern `foo' and which have these attributes set (e.g. chmod -x) |
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| 18:02.28 | barfod | probably you want a file, containing multiple calls to find, which accepts its input as positional parameters, shifted , so it operates on an outside list |
| 18:02.34 | greycat | But in order to check those attribues, the file would have to be INSTALLED locally, right? |
| 18:02.53 | barfod | it is simple enough to do with a shell or bash script/program |
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| 18:03.09 | maroloccio | greycat: now, to begin with it seems that dpkg --search (or -S) does _not_ search outside what's already installed. enter apt-file, which downloads a list of files for offline consumption and querying (good for me as I am on a mobile phone) |
| 18:03.31 | greycat | Yes, I've got that part. You have this gigantic list of files from apt-file. |
| 18:03.32 | metaphysician | maroloccio: apt-file search -x <perl regex> You can thus search for executables by restricting the pattern. eg apt-file search -x '.*bin/date$' |
| 18:03.44 | barfod | the file would just have to be run. maybe as part of some other program, or called from crontab or /etc/rc start up files |
| 18:04.16 | maroloccio | metaphysician: that's where i am at, thanks to you |
| 18:04.19 | barfod | he wants to search the permissions of the files |
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| 18:04.36 | maroloccio | metaphysician: to find executable files, it's not sufficient to grep a regex though |
| 18:04.41 | barfod | so apt-file is just one little step it what he needs to do, to search all debian system files this way |
| 18:05.20 | greycat | finds a man page at http://csurs7.csr.uky.edu/cgi-bin/man/man2html?1+apt-file |
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| 18:05.49 | greycat | It doesn't say much about what your search patterns would mean. |
| 18:05.53 | maroloccio | what i need would be (but not really) apt-file ... | while IFS= read filepath -r -d ''; do [[ -x $filepath ]] && echo success; done |
| 18:06.11 | greycat | maroloccio: So once again we're back to "I am using checks against actual local files" |
| 18:06.20 | maroloccio | not really because this apt-file front-end does not output NUL separated at all, just \n |
| 18:06.28 | greycat | Then you'd need to drop the -d '' part. |
| 18:06.54 | maroloccio | greycat: which would be incorrect :) |
| 18:07.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, it corrects missing lzop to gzip silently, if -v isn't passed. |
| 18:07.16 | greycat | It magically becomes "correct" if you have some assurance that there are no files in any Debian package that contain a newline. |
| 18:07.22 | maroloccio | so, it seems like to find out the executables i _do_ have to download _all_ the files and then use find or [[ -x ... ]] to check them locally? |
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| 18:07.57 | maroloccio | because apt-file does not have perm metadata about the files it indexes and allows querying.. |
| 18:08.08 | greycat | Bingo. |
| 18:08.16 | maroloccio | or, UN-bingo |
| 18:08.48 | maroloccio | let's just say people don't query apt-file for this type of metadata enough for the tool to have that info in its metadata db |
| 18:08.57 | jordanm | greycat, the assurance is probably that utilities that read the file list file would break, and people would notice |
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| 18:09.05 | maroloccio | so, it's a "not yet implemented feature" of apt-file |
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| 18:09.24 | maroloccio | un-bingo, I can claim! :) |
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| 18:10.29 | maroloccio | apt-file needs this: 1) to output stuff NUL separated, as other file-list-spitting programs 2) keep (why not?) a bit more metadata about the files in its index |
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| 18:10.43 | maroloccio | 1) and 2) seem reasonable to me |
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| 18:10.59 | jordanm | maroloccio, apt-file isn't much more than grep on Contents-<arch>.gz files provided by the repos |
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| 18:11.28 | greycat | 2) is not necessarily a reasonable thing. It might be damned near impossible to generate that info. |
| 18:11.32 | jordanm | and that file is in a format of one entry per line, so packaged filenames should never contain a newline |
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| 18:12.16 | nkuttler | newline in filenames? that developer should be fired |
| 18:12.59 | maroloccio | i think you are right jordanm, this makes 1) unnecessary, if the package contract says so ahead of time. it actually helps to know there should be no risk there and remove useless downstream checks everywhere |
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| 18:13.46 | jordanm | nkuttler, I have never seen anyone do it on purpose |
| 18:14.01 | jordanm | code should typically handle it though, because you never know |
| 18:14.07 | maroloccio | i don't agree with 2), it is difficult just because of the way in which the apt-file db is packages.. it could be better. it probably does not get queried for that metadata often enough, as i said |
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| 18:14.33 | greycat | Well obviously it doesn't get queried for metadata *ever* because it does not have any. |
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| 18:14.42 | maroloccio | so, i can drop the -d '' ;) no need for it |
| 18:15.08 | jordanm | maroloccio, you may actually want grep-dctrl instead of apt-file |
| 18:15.23 | maroloccio | jordanm: interesting.. |
| 18:15.24 | jordanm | i'm not sure what your end goal was though |
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| 18:15.56 | greycat | I think his goal is (partly) "Show me all files, installed or not, which match foo* and are executables" |
| 18:16.18 | greycat | And I do not believe there is any way to do that AT ALL right now. |
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| 18:17.19 | greycat | As a workaround, most of us query for "bin/foo*" because executables should always be in a directory whose pathname ends with bin |
| 18:17.40 | greycat | There may be some weird cases where that doesn't work, but it should USUALLY work. |
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| 18:18.22 | maroloccio | i am fine with "usually" for now :) |
| 18:19.00 | greycat | !find bin/znc |
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| 18:20.08 | maroloccio | but yes, i think i uncovered an area of "not yet implemented" (I used to also be interested in something like: which packages, from _all_ packages, install anything chown'ed to dovecot - or I don't remember which systme user, to find out which "extensions" may be applicable from the whole pkg repo..) |
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| 18:20.29 | maroloccio | greycat: of course i never had any interest for znc itself ;) |
| 18:21.33 | greycat | just got an email saying, effectively, "you're on your own now!" for http://bugs.debian.org/625738 |
| 18:21.57 | maroloccio | I suppose if there was something like "/var/lib/dpkg/available" that could be "grepped" but included ls -l -like data (e.g. user/group/perms) that would be already something.. but i have what i need for now.. i'll look for bin/foo |
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| 18:22.04 | greycat | is also still waiting for dpkg to finish updating debian files for that !find request |
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| 18:22.31 | jordanm | greycat, and /lib(32|64)?/.*/foo.* |
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| 18:23.04 | jordanm | maybe just /usr/lib |
| 18:23.05 | maroloccio | was there somebody saying i could supply an input file to `find', somehow? |
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| 18:23.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/znc' (2): (/usr/bin/znc) in net/znc ;; (/usr/bin/znc-buildmod) in net/znc-dev. |
| 18:23.26 | greycat | maroloccio: it's a red herring. |
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| 18:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me like the last message in that bug says "this bug is freakin old, see if it still happens with newish kernels" |
| 18:36.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does 'apt-cache search' look for source packages too? If not, what should I use? |
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| 18:38.43 | well_laid_lawn | do apt-cache search 'package' then apt-get source 'package' |
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| 18:40.43 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, which means I have to choose one of the two production system that have this hardware on them, figure out if I can install a wheezy kernel on squeeze and reboot to test that, or see if I can upgrade to wheezy and continue to run the LENNY(!) kernel which is the only one that works at the moment |
| 18:41.08 | greycat | Because if I upgrade to wheezy with the wheezy kernel and it DOESN'T work, then I can't go back. |
| 18:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... isn't that fun? |
| 18:41.45 | greycat | So for now the solution is "do nothing". |
| 18:42.12 | mumpitzel | lenny kernel won't work with udev or libc IIRC |
| 18:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could maybe try with a backports kernel, though... or with a wheezy kernel alone |
| 18:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it shouldn't... seems it kinda does for him |
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| 18:43.08 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: libc has... something different in the way it's built or the ELF bits it uses. udev is not a big issue |
| 18:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... you already mentioned that... |
| 18:43.36 | jelly-home | it makes a wheezy chroot on older kernels impossible |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | arc1:~# cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | 6.0.7 |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | Linux arc1 2.6.28-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 18 17:16:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:44.14 | jelly-home | that kernel seems to be past lenny |
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| 18:44.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | well_laid_lawn: I don't understand, apt-source installs it, no? |
| 18:44.49 | greycat | Well, obviously the "upgrade userspace to wheezy, see if the wheeze kernel works" approach is far more dangerous, and I won't be doing that without a really good idea that it would work. |
| 18:44.50 | jelly-home | early testing squeeze, a great vintage? |
| 18:45.10 | jelly-home | greycat: you can test wheezy userspace in a chroot |
| 18:45.22 | jelly-home | greycat: and you can test wheezy kernel separately |
| 18:45.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | well_laid_lawn: besides, I'm thinking maybe there's no binary package for that source package. |
| 18:45.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | This is xbmc-bin on Raspbian if you're wondering. |
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| 18:46.47 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: raspbian, sadly, isn't debian and their "armhf" isn't the "armhf" that is supported here |
| 18:46.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: yeah, I know |
| 18:47.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm just asking how to search for source packages in case a certain app only has a source package. |
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| 18:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well_laid_lawn, it doesn't seem to search through packages you only have a src-deb line for... hm, I thought it used to... guess you can always look in http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:48.01 | jelly-home | apt-cache showsrc foo would show a foo source package if it were there |
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| 18:48.41 | jelly-home | but I don't know of a "search" equivalent for sources |
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| 18:49.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, I had seen that too, but it seemed more verbose than 'search'. |
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| 18:50.27 | jelly-home | at least it looks in the right place, unlike search |
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| 18:50.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder... can I use some sort of prefix to apt-get install the building tools and build packages? I don't want devel tools ending up in the production image. |
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| 18:51.34 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: use mk-build-deps from devscripts to track and easily install and remove build dependencies |
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| 18:52.26 | jelly-home | it has fast become one of my favorite things |
| 18:52.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Isn't there some way to keep the build deps, but in a different prefix? I might need to build other packages later on, and installing and reinstalling doesn't seem great. |
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| 18:52.43 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: no. |
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| 18:52.55 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: you can use a whole different chroot tho |
| 18:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | pbuilder? |
| 18:53.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hmm. |
| 18:54.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea if I can use a cross-compiler instead of a fully targetted compiler? |
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| 18:54.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | I figure my x86-64-hosted-but-ARM6-targetted compiler might be faster than. |
| 18:55.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Erm, faster than what build-essentials gets me in the chroot. |
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| 18:56.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, it seems to be a wrapper for debootstrap, no? Does it handle crossing over to ARM? |
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| 18:58.19 | raSter^ | apt-get vs yum? |
| 18:58.31 | raSter^ | grrr i hate one of my vps. it was installed on centos :/ |
| 18:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eduard_Munteanu, ha... I dunno! it's not something I tried recently |
| 18:59.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see, thanks. I'll just debootstrap another chroot. |
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| 19:00.20 | Tester21 | Now that 7.x is stable, where does one find 6.x release? |
| 19:00.42 | greycat | Tester21: /msg dpkg oldstable |
| 19:00.48 | mumpitzel | under "squeeze". there are still isos and still repositories |
| 19:01.51 | raSter^ | is there quick way to know if i already installed the recent updates?? |
| 19:01.56 | raSter^ | on debian 7 |
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| 19:02.45 | greycat | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... if that does nothing, then you are up to date |
| 19:03.03 | raSter^ | oh |
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| 19:04.15 | jelly-home | wheezy hasn't had any dep changes? I'd swear there was at least one bind9 update and its libs are notoriously abi unstable |
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| 19:04.34 | jelly-home | greycat: that might have to be dist-upgrade instead |
| 19:04.38 | jelly-home | s/have/need/ |
| 19:05.00 | greycat | Well, if that happens, then it'll say something like "bind9 was held back", right? |
| 19:05.12 | jelly-home | and do nothing. |
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| 19:19.44 | sepi` | I'm upgrading my dovecot because I installed dovecot-sieve. During the installation, dpkg asks me if I want a new version of the dovcot.conf installed. Will I be able to read the new configfile when I've chosen to just keep my current one? If yes, where will I find the new one and how will it be called? |
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| 19:21.41 | asimble | How do I get update-initramfs to add LVM2 support to my initrd? |
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| 19:22.00 | asimble | it's missing and that's why my Debian install won't boot |
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| 19:24.31 | jelly-home | asimble: are you using a custom kernel? Which Debian release? |
| 19:24.38 | asimble | Um...wheezy |
| 19:24.52 | jelly-home | asimble: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:25.19 | jelly-home | oh, well, you can't boot |
| 19:25.36 | asimble | it's kernel 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 |
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| 19:25.49 | jelly-home | asimble: are you in the debian chroot now? Is lvm2 package installed? |
| 19:25.58 | asimble | yes and yes |
| 19:26.12 | jelly-home | asimble: is your root fs on lvm? |
| 19:26.27 | asimble | yes |
| 19:26.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | That'd be the only reason to do it in the initramfs specifically. |
| 19:26.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | (FSVO root but /usr might count as such these days) |
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| 19:27.03 | jelly-home | asimble: use the /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname style for the root fs in /etc/fstab |
| 19:27.16 | asimble | ok |
| 19:27.18 | jelly-home | (not the canonical /dev/vgname/lvname) |
| 19:27.38 | asimble | /dev/mapper/linux-cb / |
| 19:27.53 | jelly-home | asimble: run update-grub, see if it picks that up for the root= boot parameter |
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| 19:27.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | What's that '/' at the end? |
| 19:28.11 | asimble | it's actually crunchbang but crunchbang is so close to debian, it's what they add on top of debian wheezy that makes crunchbang special, which isn't much |
| 19:28.18 | asimble | Eduard_Munteanu: mountpoint |
| 19:28.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
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| 19:28.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think root=/dev/disk/by-... should do too. |
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| 19:29.02 | asimble | but yes update-grub picks that up |
| 19:29.03 | jelly-home | asimble: can you reproduce the issue in proper debian? |
| 19:29.21 | asimble | jelly-home: sorry, can't without redoing all that I've done |
| 19:29.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's not a really great outlook for asimble. :) |
| 19:29.47 | asimble | I'm sure the update-initramfs part is the same |
| 19:29.51 | jelly-home | I'm suddenly much less interested in helping you, not knowing the environment in question. |
| 19:30.22 | asimble | if I just knew how to configure update-initramfs on proper debian I might be able to work it |
| 19:30.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | asimble: did you try using mkinitramfs instead? |
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| 19:31.01 | jelly-home | if it were debian, I'd just make sure everywhere /dev/mapper/vg-lv was used and then regenerated initramfs |
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| 19:31.26 | jelly-home | but I have no idea which settings your distro changed |
| 19:31.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, he's complaining the LVM modules aren't in the initramfs. |
| 19:31.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | asimble: how did you figure the LVM modules were missing? |
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| 19:32.42 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: and that usually does not happen in wheezy. It used to sometimes happen in lenny-squeeze, and the workaround I suggested forced a fallback code path that did "vgchange -ay" anyway |
| 19:32.52 | jelly-home | !crunchbang |
| 19:32.52 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 19:32.58 | ompaul | asimble: if it really was so close to debian as didn't matter it would be called Debian GNU/Linux, but it isn't. |
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| 19:33.13 | asimble | ok |
| 19:33.21 | jelly-home | it might be really close, but it's the differences that make it broken :-( |
| 19:33.28 | asimble | well erm...actually it's the lvm binary that's missing |
| 19:33.33 | asimble | dm-mod.ko is in the initramfs |
| 19:33.52 | jelly-home | asimble: that's alright, you just need vgchange |
| 19:33.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | asimble: is it installed at all on your system per se? |
| 19:34.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | vgchange is usually a link to 'lvm' IIRC, no? |
| 19:34.17 | jelly-home | (or to put it another way, the lvm support basically just adds vgchange) |
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| 19:34.27 | asimble | Eduard_Munteanu: OH LOL |
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| 19:34.34 | asimble | The lvm2 package wasn't installed |
| 19:34.37 | ompaul | asimble: and if you did the same in debian would be be broken - jelly-home suggests not, and jelly-home is rather well informed on how it all works together. |
| 19:34.45 | RafaelK | hello folks |
| 19:34.56 | jelly-home | [21:25] <jelly-home> asimble: are you in the debian chroot now? Is lvm2 package installed? [21:25] <asimble> yes and yes |
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| 19:35.14 | jelly-home | asimble: next time we meet, you owe me a beer |
| 19:35.15 | ompaul | s/be\ be/it\ be/g |
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| 19:36.24 | asimble | jelly-home: for all the time I wasted? |
| 19:36.43 | jelly-home | asimble: for lying! |
| 19:36.58 | jelly-home | it's bad mkay |
| 19:37.00 | asimble | asimble: well I thought the lvm2 package was installed |
| 19:37.32 | jelly-home | you shouldn't trust yourself that much |
| 19:37.51 | asimble | I think it was because I accidentally did mount /dev/mapper/linux-mint on /mnt/cb and chrooted there after bind mounting /boot/ under /mnt/cb/boot |
| 19:37.59 | asimble | but now I was looking at linux mint |
| 19:38.02 | jelly-home | (if the installation was done with d-i, it would have been there) |
| 19:38.30 | asimble | well alright it's time I tried rebooting to see if this works |
| 19:38.37 | DammitJim | great easy install of debian on a laptop with nvidia card! |
| 19:38.39 | DammitJim | woohoo |
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| 19:39.19 | tempspace | Does anybody know how I can troubleshoot why I am spending more time with software interrupts in top with wheezy compared to squeeze on the same box |
| 19:39.50 | RafaelK | what can be the reason for halt on the ssh session by some command? I use often two ssh sessions at the same time for two different ssh-users(root and some other). It breaks by both users. |
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| 19:40.22 | RafaelK | this is VSphere VM with VmWareTools |
| 19:41.04 | RafaelK | and second session is OK |
| 19:41.20 | jelly-home | RafaelK: it's hard to say. Network issues? Severely limited RAM in the VM leading to out-of-memory killer going crazy? |
| 19:41.28 | DammitJim | RafaelK, do you have some kinda latency? |
| 19:41.46 | RafaelK | is it possible to debug this? |
| 19:41.51 | DammitJim | I experience session problems with wireless connections all the time |
| 19:41.54 | jelly-home | RafaelK: what do the logs say? /var/log/auth.log for ssh, /var/log/kern.log for kernel. |
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| 19:42.13 | RafaelK | no latency is perfect |
| 19:42.59 | RafaelK | network must be fine, that is hosters-VM |
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| 19:43.17 | jelly-home | must, huh? |
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| 19:44.01 | jelly-home | RafaelK: add a -v or two or three to the ssh client invocation to see some debug info |
| 19:44.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hrm, can I configure apt-get to fetch files in parallel to installing the packages? |
| 19:44.23 | bixu_ | How can I script my way past an interactive warning screen in my dpkg install? |
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| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | bixu: what kind of a warning screen, by which package? |
| 19:45.11 | jelly-home | bixu: what is the exact command you're running? |
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| 19:45.39 | bixu | jelly-home: It's kernel module stuff. Here's the command: |
| 19:45.40 | bixu | dpkg --install --force all /var/tmp/linux-headers-3.8.4-joyent-ubuntu-12-opt_1.0.0_amd64.deb && dpkg --install --force all /var/tmp/linux-image-3.8.4-joyent-ubuntu-12-opt_1.0.0_amd64.deb |
| 19:45.40 | dpkg | bixu: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 19:45.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | -y, --yes, --assume-yes Automatic yes to prompts. Assume "yes" as answer to all prompts and run non-interactively. If an undesirable situation, such as changing a held package or removing an essential package, occurs then apt-get will abort. -- apt-get manpage |
| 19:46.11 | RafaelK | jelly-home : /var/log/auth.log is nothing interesting |
| 19:46.21 | bixu | Eduard_Munteanu: I'll try that. Thanks. I'm less familiar with apt than with yum and pkgsrc. |
| 19:46.22 | RafaelK | in /var/log/auth.log is nothing interesting |
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| 19:47.20 | jelly-home | bixu: a) don't use --force b) don't use --force-all c) are you really installing that on Debian? |
| 19:47.41 | bixu | jelly-home: It's actually Ubuntu 12. |
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| 19:48.01 | bixu | It's some bits for Joyent's KVM networking. |
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| 19:48.15 | jelly-home | bixu: use the #ubuntu channel, then, or ##linux. This is not the channel for dpkg questions. |
| 19:48.15 | greycat | Then the question belongs in #ubuntu, doesn't it? |
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| 19:48.18 | RafaelK | jelly-home: last entry in /var/log/kern.log is for about 4 hours ago |
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| 19:48.35 | bixu | greycat: Sure. Thanks anyway. |
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| 19:49.22 | jelly-home | there is no appropriate channel for dpkg and apt. Most of those questions are about broken packages anyway, but sometimes there's a genuine one |
| 19:49.24 | RafaelK | jelly-home: what do you mean by "-v or two or three" ? |
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| 19:50.12 | jelly-home | RafaelK: I mean, read man ssh. One -v shows some useful bits. -vv is more verbose. -vvv is VERY verbose, and probably useless. |
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| 19:50.48 | jelly-home | RafaelK: it might point you to the way the connection gets severed, and maybe the reason for that |
| 19:50.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | Random question: can you suggest a simple CPU-bound benchmark for the purpose of comparing qemu user emulation (armhf in this case) to native gcc performance? |
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| 19:51.32 | MaddinXx_ | Hi there. Any hints on how to find all files with immutable bit set? I've seen lsattr but can't find a way to combine it with find or anything |
| 19:51.50 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: is "make" in a kernel source tree simple? |
| 19:51.53 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 19:52.20 | greycat | MaddinXx_: hmm... looks like lsattr has a -R but I don't know what that looks like or how hard it would be to parse |
| 19:52.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: hm, it is, but it might be different due to ARCH |
| 19:52.39 | mumpitzel | Eduard_Munteanu: the compile any other debian source package |
| 19:53.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitzel: I guess that'd do, though I'm running Gentoo on the host. |
| 19:53.15 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: how? You'd build the same kernel with same config on emulated and native armhf |
| 19:53.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: no, this is emulated armhf vs actual x86-64 |
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| 19:53.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: I want to see if a cross-compiler would be faster than a native armhf compiler |
| 19:54.05 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: oh, you're comparing gcc inside armhf to cross-gcc FOR armhf on the same machine |
| 19:54.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: yep |
| 19:54.35 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: the cross compiler is faster, the only question is how much faster. |
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| 19:55.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, yeah. As far as I/O is concerned, the overhead would be minimal I think, user qemu just translates syscall / calling conventions. |
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| 19:57.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect CPU-bound code that's already highly-optimized might take a big hit compared to baseline. |
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| 19:57.46 | yaf_elec | hi all, I just did a fresh install of debian (jessie) |
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| 19:57.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | yaf_elec: hi |
| 19:58.17 | yaf_elec | I don't like this interface/appearance |
| 19:58.25 | yaf_elec | can I switch back to an older one ? |
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| 19:58.49 | petn-randall | yaf_elec: Back? What was there before? |
| 19:59.10 | dvs | petn-randall: I assume Gnome 2 |
| 19:59.20 | yaf_elec | something that I could parametrize at least... |
| 19:59.31 | jelly-home | yaf_elec: you're allowed to install and use something like xfce or kde or lxde or a standalone window manager |
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| 19:59.34 | yaf_elec | yeah, probably I had gnome 2 |
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| 20:00.28 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell yaf_elec about install xfce |
| 20:00.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you tell apt-get -b source to use -jN / multiple threads to compile? |
| 20:01.02 | yaf_elec | jelly-home, I don't want xfce |
| 20:01.13 | yaf_elec | how can I check if I'm using gnome3 ? |
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| 20:01.27 | greycat | yaf_elec: dpkg -l gnome\* |
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| 20:02.12 | jelly-home | yaf_elec: well, you can't get gnome 2 from debian any more |
| 20:02.23 | yaf_elec | :S |
| 20:02.45 | yaf_elec | I see no tool to change the settings... |
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| 20:03.24 | yaf_elec | window appearance... and I want a window bar... |
| 20:03.39 | mtn | yaf_elec: upper left corner, search for settings. also install gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 20:04.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, Google suggests DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=N which I guess I have to pass to apt-get |
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| 20:05.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Damn, ./configure is considerably slower. |
| 20:05.11 | heinzbert | hello! |
| 20:05.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | heinzbert: hi |
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| 20:06.57 | heinzbert | i would like to go on with squeeze.... where can i find an up to date list of available sources for apt? backports of newer stuff ans security fixes woud be great. |
| 20:07.06 | heinzbert | could you give me a hint? |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | !security |
| 20:07.14 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 20:07.18 | yaf_elec | I can't configure it... that's stupid |
| 20:08.12 | dvs | thats Gnome 3! |
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| 20:08.30 | heinzbert | greycat: add a line for wheezy even if i would like to continue using squeeze? |
| 20:09.15 | mtn | heinzbert: the sources for squeeze haven't changed, have they? |
| 20:09.16 | greycat | The same thing applies for squeeze, just putting "squeeze" on the line instead of wheezy. But the security support for squeeze will end in ~10 months. |
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| 20:09.43 | heinzbert | !oldstable security |
| 20:09.43 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <oldstable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <lifespan>. |
| 20:10.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | im having an issue with my fs, it reports "target filesystem doesn t have requested sbin init", so i did an fsck on the available partitions, but all report clean |
| 20:10.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Wow, it's still doing configure. |
| 20:10.09 | Te3-BloodyIron | and the error persists |
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| 20:10.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm pondering on grafting the crossdev-generated armhf cross-compiler to the Raspbian chroot. |
| 20:11.04 | yaf_elec | any suggestion ? should I stay with that or try another window manager ? what do you use guys ? |
| 20:11.12 | greycat | I use fvwm2. |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | No gnome, no kde, just fvwm2. |
| 20:11.26 | dvs | I use kde |
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| 20:12.04 | mtn | yaf_elec: I use gnome3 |
| 20:12.19 | heinzbert | mtn: "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" does not work anymore for me. |
| 20:12.28 | MaddinXx_ | greycat: thanks. I used it with -a -R now (recursive + dotfiles) to get a list of the files...processing them manually now.. :) |
| 20:12.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | anyone able to help with my fs issue? D: |
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| 20:13.33 | greycat | Te3-BloodyIron: Did it work in the past? If so, what changed that made it stop working? |
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| 20:14.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | it worked earlier today |
| 20:14.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | all i did was turn off the system properly |
| 20:14.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | then turn it back on like 30mins later |
| 20:14.31 | Te3-BloodyIron | it's a node in a cluster hosting vms (not production) |
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| 20:14.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | the filesystems are on a usb stick, but it's new and has worked reliably for like a month |
| 20:15.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | im okay with nuking it, but this seems like a good time to learn something |
| 20:15.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | the primary partition is ext3, then i have an lvm, and in there 3 partitions, one swap and 2 ext3 |
| 20:15.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | im using a debian based distro btw, hope that isn't a problem ;o |
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| 20:15.54 | dvs | !debian-based |
| 20:15.54 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:16.31 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay well is there a place i can go for like general linux support? nobody is responding on the distro channel :/ |
| 20:16.41 | dvs | try ##linux |
| 20:16.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | kay |
| 20:16.56 | Te3-BloodyIron | thx |
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| 20:18.54 | cz21 | could someone help me get spacefm to recognize my iphone? pcmanfm does it by default but i want to use spacefm |
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| 20:19.33 | dvs | ??? |
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| 20:20.47 | cz21 | ? |
| 20:20.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok, building under user-qemu doesn't seem like a great idea, ./configure has been working on a single item for 5 mins already. |
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| 20:23.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think I want to install dpkg-cross and get an x86-64 -> ARM6 crosscompiler. |
| 20:24.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | The one on the Gentoo host might do but it's not statically-linked so I'd need to cp the .so's too. |
| 20:24.42 | Aivaras | "I think I want to" awesome. :D |
| 20:25.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, beware not being sure about what you want. :P |
| 20:25.44 | heinzbert | if aptitude update says. "W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2" what should i do? Install something? |
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| 20:26.35 | bw_ | "The debian-volatile project has been discontinued with the Debian "Squeeze" release." |
| 20:26.43 | bw_ | see: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 20:26.43 | dvs | up |
| 20:26.56 | jair | guys what am I missing here to accomplish virtual hosting apache in debian wheezy: http://paste.debian.net/12435/ |
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| 20:28.40 | cusco | jair: why the different ports? |
| 20:28.56 | jair | cusco: I have just one static/external IP |
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| 20:29.36 | cusco | jair: that is what virtual hosting is for, it takes the server canonical name and uses a document root for each |
| 20:29.44 | jair | cusco: and the only person that will be using this site is myself for testing and development on web applications, phyton, php, html5 etc... |
| 20:29.44 | cusco | so it takes the address name of the site |
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| 20:29.58 | cusco | what problems are you having so far? |
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| 20:30.12 | jair | cusco: go to: www.plumswap.com |
| 20:30.21 | cusco | then what |
| 20:30.52 | cusco | you listed files under sites-available |
| 20:30.56 | cusco | have you enabled them |
| 20:30.57 | cusco | ? |
| 20:31.01 | cusco | a2ensite |
| 20:31.02 | jair | cusco: I should have the first page .com one and if I type www.plumswap.com:81 It should take me to the site .net and then 82 to .org |
| 20:31.08 | cusco | no |
| 20:31.17 | cusco | change the ports all to :80 |
| 20:31.17 | jair | no? |
| 20:31.37 | cusco | then run on cli: a2ensite plumswap.com.conf |
| 20:31.37 | jair | cusco: I am not trying to do name based OK |
| 20:31.46 | jair | let me try |
| 20:31.47 | cusco | ok |
| 20:31.57 | ompaul | try all you want and want all you try :) |
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| 20:32.59 | jair | cusco: on the Listen stanza as well? |
| 20:33.18 | cusco | not if you don't want to |
| 20:33.26 | cusco | keep them on separate ports if you wish |
| 20:33.34 | cusco | i thought you were simply mistaken |
| 20:34.01 | cusco | also the Listen - should already be specified in ports.conf |
| 20:34.10 | cusco | thus not needing it there |
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| 20:34.13 | cusco | (neither of the 3) |
| 20:34.36 | cusco | that should only go in ports.conf ... not that it would prevent it fromworking (I guess) |
| 20:34.50 | jair | cusco: OK I have not done anything on the ports.conf |
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| 20:35.18 | cusco | I guess all you would get, would be a warning stating already listening onport 80, or so |
| 20:35.25 | cusco | but have you enabled the configuration? |
| 20:35.36 | cusco | is it symlinked under sites-enabled/ |
| 20:36.55 | jair | cusco: will do it now |
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| 20:37.07 | cusco | oi dArK_IcE |
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| 20:39.21 | jair | cusco: I did enabled all three configurations and nothing |
| 20:39.45 | jair | did you say to change all the :80, 81 and 82 to :80? |
| 20:40.09 | cusco | no, after your reply, I meant none of those |
| 20:40.16 | cusco | keep them all separated as you wish |
| 20:40.34 | cusco | jair: did you restart apache after enabling the site? |
| 20:41.02 | cusco | also in cli: apache2ctl -S |
| 20:41.13 | cusco | will show the order and configuration files for vhosts |
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| 20:41.49 | jair | cusco: will do it again |
| 20:41.52 | dArK_IcE | boas cusco |
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| 20:42.09 | heinzbert | bw_: thanks. so squeeze's "volatile2 was replaced by "squeeze-updates". |
| 20:42.50 | jair | cusco: http://paste.debian.net/12442/ |
| 20:43.20 | jair | cusco: I am missing something and I think is because you might be assuming I did something that I have not done... |
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| 20:45.03 | jair | cusco: I thought that a2ensite was a script only for name based virtual hosting |
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| 20:45.56 | nkuttler | jair: afaik a2ensite just generates symlinks, nothing else |
| 20:46.02 | cusco | jair: I am not picky in apache configuration, most of my vhosts I copy/paste them... here is a sample of mine: http://paste.debian.net/12446/ |
| 20:46.16 | jair | Ok |
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| 20:46.53 | RafaelK | jelly-home: thank you! I will try it tomorrow with -v and maybe with -vv ;) |
| 20:47.03 | nkuttler | heh.. /^a2(en|dis)(mod|site|conf)((?:-.+)?)$/ |
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| 20:47.25 | jair | cusco: I got mine to work before but I unfortunately have just one external IP and one domain name |
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| 20:47.56 | jair | cusco: that is why I need to go with the IP-Based or port base solutiong virtual hosting |
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| 20:48.05 | cusco | jair: I have only one IP and several domain names, that makes no difference |
| 20:48.11 | nkuttler | jair: can't you use subdomains? |
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| 20:48.20 | jair | cusco: looks to me like that one you showed me is with one static IP and based on name |
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| 20:48.31 | cusco | jair: also apache2ctl -S on CLI, what does it output? |
| 20:48.32 | jair | nkuttler: I guess I could |
| 20:49.02 | cusco | jair: it has a wildcard for the IP |
| 20:49.15 | cusco | I don't see how you find it 'static' |
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| 20:49.46 | jair | cusco: http://paste.debian.net/12447/ |
| 20:50.04 | arawr | is it possible to do loadbalancing on a vhost basis? |
| 20:50.08 | cusco | jair: there seems to be something that either you or me, are not understanding about your desired configuration, regarding hosts/ip's |
| 20:50.25 | arawr | all loadbalancers like mod-proxy-loadbalancer use ips |
| 20:50.35 | greycat | I second the suggestion to use subdomains for name-based virtual domain setup. |
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| 20:50.51 | jair | cusco: ok here we go, I only have one external IP and one domain name www.plumswap.com (from godaddy) |
| 20:51.22 | greycat | Do you have the whole plumswap.com or just www.plumswap.com? |
| 20:51.32 | jair | cusco: I want to be able to access three sites on my web server from the internet [.com .net and .org] |
| 20:51.53 | cusco | but you only have one domain... right? |
| 20:52.06 | greycat | Then you also need to have control over plumswap.net and plumswap.org, or you at least have to be able to talk their owners into pointing those names to your IP. |
| 20:52.13 | jair | yes only one domain |
| 20:52.17 | cusco | I would go with the subdomain sugestion |
| 20:52.56 | cusco | so the servername would become site1.something.com and site2.something.com and site3.something.com |
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| 20:53.08 | greycat | I'm getting more and more confused by his explanation. I don't think he wants virtual domains *at all*. |
| 20:53.32 | jair | I am so sorry about it |
| 20:53.40 | jair | Ok cool |
| 20:53.46 | jair | lets try the sub-domain |
| 20:53.51 | cusco | also, your configuration seems to be fine. Guessing you don't have the 3 directories in the site under /var/www/www.plumswap.com ? |
| 20:53.53 | greycat | www.plumswap.net and www.plumswap.org are not found. |
| 20:54.27 | jair | cusco: correct i only own www.plumswap.com |
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| 20:54.38 | cusco | ow ! |
| 20:55.03 | greycat | I think he wants all three domain names to point to his single web site, which means he needs to register (or control) the other two domains. |
| 20:55.05 | cusco | but .. on the disk! ls /var/www/www.plumswap.com/ |
| 20:55.06 | jair | greycat: I will try to go with the subdomain option then I guess I have to set those sub-domains on my godaddy account as well |
| 20:55.48 | jair | greycat: correct but I don't want to register more domains |
| 20:56.26 | jair | root@apache1:/etc/apache2/sites-available# ls /var/www/www.plumswap.com/ |
| 20:56.26 | jair | about.css adding-and-removing-users.flv contact.html ideas.html index.html services.html videos.html |
| 20:56.27 | greycat | There is currently *no* DNS resolution for www.plumswap.org or plumswap.org. |
| 20:56.47 | greycat | If you want a user to get to your web site by putting http://plumswap.org/ in their browser, then that domain must be registered and configured. |
| 20:57.01 | jair | greycat: right nobody own those domains, I am just putting or creating those sites internally |
| 20:57.08 | greycat | Nothing you do on your web server will make the user's web browser resolve plumswap.org in the absence of DNS.. |
| 20:57.29 | cusco | ok he seems to understand that far |
| 20:57.41 | greycat | If you want all the A records that point to your box to result in the same web page, then you don't WANT virtual domains at all. |
| 20:57.53 | greycat | Virtual domains let you serve up DIFFERENT web sites for each domain name. |
| 20:58.06 | jair | greycat: I understand that and that is why I was trying the option of using ports, so the ports can redirect an internal site on my server or virtual host server that is not accessible directly but just with the port |
| 20:58.33 | greycat | cusco: ... do you understand what he's asking? I don't. |
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| 20:59.01 | cusco | I didn't quite understood the port need |
| 20:59.12 | cusco | jair: with subdomains you can have 3 different sites (namebased) - meaning 3 different directories for 3 different addresses .... |
| 20:59.14 | jair | greycat: I see what you mean then. I do not want to have additional domain names registered with go daddy only: www.plumswap.com |
| 20:59.27 | jair | cusco: OK |
| 20:59.32 | greycat | Then you don't need virtual domains or anything. Just make one web site. |
| 21:00.05 | jordanm | greycat, I think he doesn't want name-based *or* IP-based vhosts... he wants port-based |
| 21:00.12 | jair | greycat: OK I have just one web site. I will reset the configuration of my virtual machine again |
| 21:00.23 | greycat | jordanm: but he only has one domain. He doesn't need ANYTHING-based. |
| 21:00.54 | jordanm | what I got out of it was that he wanted foo.com:80 to be a different site than foo.com:81 |
| 21:01.07 | greycat | But he only has one web site. |
| 21:01.07 | jordanm | same domain, different ports |
| 21:01.31 | jordanm | then I have no idea what he's going for either |
| 21:01.35 | cusco | you can have that, or different sub domains, or even different addresses like /site1 or /site2 |
| 21:01.46 | cusco | thing is: do you have more than one site to display? |
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| 21:02.04 | jair | Yes |
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| 21:02.12 | jair | I have the sites in directories |
| 21:02.36 | jair | anyway, now i went back to the one server, one ip, one domain name |
| 21:02.43 | greycat | OK, if you have more than one website, then use foo.plumswap.com and bar.plumswap.com in a name-based virtual domain setup (where foo and bar are whatever names you want). |
| 21:02.45 | cusco | so.. you could have plumswap.com/site1 and plumswap.com/site2 <- right? |
| 21:02.51 | jair | www.plumswap.com will take you to the site no problems now |
| 21:02.58 | cusco | or subdomain |
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| 21:04.01 | cusco | good luck with your configuration jair :) I'll be back later |
| 21:04.07 | jair | cusco: correct either one will work for me, since what I want is to be able to access different web sites or home pages from different places in the world and do web development and self study |
| 21:04.23 | jair | thank you cusco ! |
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| 21:05.27 | dr__sooman | wouldn't you know it, need help again - trying to setup ati m7500 rv200 drivers |
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| 21:06.20 | ech0s7 | hi |
| 21:06.22 | ech0s7 | at the moment I do not remember the name of a powerful dhcp server, can you help me? |
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| 21:07.30 | zykotick9 | ech0s7: don't cross post between #ubuntu and #debian... |
| 21:08.16 | greycat | ech0s7: apt-cache search --names-only dhcp server |
| 21:08.17 | dr__sooman | or i would possibly need some command line functions to see if i could just simply activate it |
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| 21:09.21 | dimitry7 | hi there |
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| 21:13.24 | dizzylizzy | Let's say I have grub installed in /dev/sda and it points to my debian boot partition. if I install a second operating system on another partition, it's safe to simply not install a bootloader, right? Then when I reboot it will boot into debian and I can update grub to see the new installation and add it to the boot menu, right? |
| 21:13.31 | dizzylizzy | for some reason I feel like this won't work, even though it probably will |
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| 21:15.59 | dvs | dizzylizzy: it depends what the other operating system is. |
| 21:16.16 | dr__sooman | anyone? what would I need to build the xorg.conf |
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| 21:19.04 | dr__sooman | also i have failure of my ipw2100 (ipw_get_firmware failed) |
| 21:19.10 | dr__sooman | on bootup |
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| 21:28.45 | dizzylizzy | dvs, let's say it's ubuntu |
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| 21:31.26 | dizzylizzy | Debian's grub *should* play nice with that I presume |
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| 21:35.25 | petn-randall | dr__sooman: Why do you need to "build" xorg.conf? |
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| 21:36.14 | dr__sooman | from what i'm reading, i require some attention to the xorg.conf but perhaps this isn't what i need |
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| 21:36.53 | dr__sooman | its just when i login it says that gnome 3 isn't starting |
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| 21:40.06 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
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| 21:40.33 | rysiek|pl | is there a way to check what caused the system to wake-up from suspend-to-ram? |
| 21:41.04 | rysiek|pl | and/or to check if indeed the system has suspended and then woke up, OR it failed to suspend at all |
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| 21:42.27 | bw_ | rysiek|pl: /var/log/pm-suspend.log might help |
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| 21:43.39 | dr__sooman | okay it looks like video situation is in order (did some updating) now i have to tackle this ipw2000 problem with the onboard wifi card |
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| 21:43.50 | rysiek|pl | bw_: well, can you help me parse it? it seems... unreadable to me |
| 21:43.53 | dr__sooman | i installed wicd but it's not utilizing the hardware |
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| 21:43.57 | rysiek|pl | http://www.wklej.org/id/1073051/ |
| 21:46.23 | heinzbert | mtn, bw_, greycat: thank you for your help. |
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| 21:49.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Uh, there's no gcc *->armhf compiler in Debian repos. Should I add the emdebian repos to sources.list? |
| 21:49.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, or maybe I can build it. |
| 21:49.47 | bw_ | rysiek|pl: hmm looks to me like it suspend an wokeup right after, but i'm not sure either |
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| 21:50.21 | rysiek|pl | bw_: yeah |
| 21:50.41 | bw_ | was it suspend to ram or to disk? |
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| 21:58.14 | zykotick9 | rysiek|pl: are you using non-free graphics (or wireless) drivers? |
| 21:58.16 | LinuxGuy2020 | For some reason I'm experiencing a problem with the Bluray images not finishing the installation. I'm not sure why. I filed a bug #713941. It will install the base system and then throws an error that apt can not install any more packages. I'm not sure if its an image build issue or my machine or what. The DVD image works fine on the same machine. Wasn't sure if anyone might know the cause or not. Worth asking. |
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| 21:59.14 | bw_ | rysiek|pl: if it was suspend to disk, from the free output it looks like you have not swap, so there is no place to write the ram to |
| 21:59.21 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: i doubt the blueray images gets used "a lot"... good luck. |
| 21:59.26 | rysiek|pl | zykotick9: no and no (at least, I don't think so). intel wifi, intel gfx; besides, it worked a few weeks ago |
| 21:59.29 | rysiek|pl | bw_: to ram. |
| 21:59.39 | rysiek|pl | no swap, 8GiB RAM |
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| 22:00.54 | zykotick9 | rysiek|pl: my eee pcs use mainly intel as well - and suspend/hibernate seems to work pretty well on them. on a non-free nvidia graphics machine i had... not as well ;) good luck. |
| 22:01.33 | rysiek|pl | yeah, that's *precisely* why I have chosen an Intel-based wifi and gfx lappy ;) |
| 22:01.44 | rysiek|pl | (and yes I was able to get it without Windows tax) |
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| 22:03.16 | zykotick9 | rysiek|pl: how can you suspend to ram, with no swap? answer - i don't think you can. you CERTAINLY can't hibernate. |
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| 22:04.02 | bw_ | zykotick9: you can, but you can't hibernate |
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| 22:04.21 | zykotick9 | bw_: ok... but i still have doubts ;) |
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| 22:05.25 | LinuxGuy2020 | Why would you need swap to suspend to ram (sleep)? Completely guessing I wouldnt think you would need swap for that. |
| 22:05.49 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: i guess you don't... |
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| 22:17.40 | rysiek|pl | zykotick9: it worked flawlessly for months |
| 22:17.41 | rysiek|pl | yes |
| 22:17.44 | rysiek|pl | without swap |
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| 22:28.56 | acu | hello everyone, justt wanted to share a SOLUTION for a few days pain -- I had a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 moherboard with a eight core AMD, I could not add any newtork cards on it, I would see it there, but it would not connect to get IP address to DHCP, --- I tried everything under the SUN- the squeeze and window$ were fine, finally after compiling drivers and others, THE SOLUTION - is to ENABLE IOMMU in BIOS (I enabled EFI) but THE KEY |
| 22:28.56 | acu | was that IOMMU - now I can slap anycard ,any number of NICs and it works well, I just thought to share with you |
| 22:29.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | How is one supposed to build a cross-toolchain? |
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| 22:31.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | acu: what OS? Maybe the BIOS is buggy and gives you a wrongly-initialized IOMMU when it's disabled. |
| 22:31.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, I suppose it was debian. |
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| 22:31.52 | bernat | acu, I used that on a Gigabyte 990XA-UD3, it also fixes USB |
| 22:32.20 | bernat | but now I get a lot of IO_PAGE_FAULT messages in the logs, supposedly from my Nvidia driver |
| 22:32.31 | bernat | do you know how to get rid of that? |
| 22:32.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Having the IOMMU on is a good idea anyway. |
| 22:33.16 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu, I've read IOMMU is necessary because the BIOS isn't compatible with Linux |
| 22:33.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess there should be a kernel option to make the IOMMU driver less verbose. |
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| 22:33.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | That doesn't say much. |
| 22:34.00 | bernat | nope, but I'd like to be able to disable IOMMU |
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| 22:34.07 | mercutio22 | where can I find the passwords stored for my wifi networks? |
| 22:34.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: ew, why? |
| 22:34.15 | mercutio22 | using gnome3 |
| 22:34.41 | bernat | to get rid of IO_PAGE_FAULTs and because it's slightly faster (I don't need IOMMU right now) |
| 22:34.58 | ecube | /etc/conf.d/netcfg |
| 22:35.04 | ecube | um, no |
| 22:35.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: err, where did you get the "slightly faster" idea? |
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| 22:35.34 | ecube | try /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 22:35.47 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu, reading some docs |
| 22:35.48 | SKYLAKE-10nm | hi grawity |
| 22:36.40 | bernat | mercutio22, I guess they're saved in the Gnome password ring |
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| 22:36.51 | ecube | ^ |
| 22:37.23 | bernat | Gnome Keyring* |
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| 22:39.28 | mercutio22 | found it: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ |
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| 22:40.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: it's easy to disable but you shouldn't. There should be a way to turn off the verbosity. |
| 22:40.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: but it could be the NVIDIA driver is just buggy |
| 22:40.32 | baudmon | is there any way to resolve a wireless issue relating to ipw2100-1.3.fz preventing a start from boot? (failed -2) |
| 22:40.48 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu, I know and it's my main guess, but still, I can't fix it |
| 22:41.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: now if you disable the IOMMU you just let it mess with memory it shouldn't touch |
| 22:41.36 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu, I don't think so, it just doesn't use mapped IO |
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| 22:42.24 | baudmon | this is for debian 7 wheezy |
| 22:42.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: how do you mean? The GPU surely does DMA from/to memory, so maybe it happens to poke some wrong addresses. |
| 22:42.45 | Noturno99 | I'm having troubles with authorization, mounting devices, accessing synaptic, I always have the "not authorized to perform operation" message.. Could someone give some path to follow in order to fix it? |
| 22:42.59 | bernat | It works anyway |
| 22:43.13 | Noturno99 | I'm using unstable version with gnome3.8 |
| 22:43.37 | bernat | and I don't think it can overwrite other processes' memory anyway |
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| 22:44.34 | acu | Eduard_Munteanu, sorry for late answer - the IOMMU requirement for ON on BIOS was needed for Debian Wheezy 7.1 |
| 22:44.42 | bernat | Noturno99, the way to fix it is working on the problems, reporting bugs and sending patches or waiting for the to get fixes |
| 22:44.45 | bernat | fixed* |
| 22:45.01 | acu | Debian Squeze ver 6 was OK |
| 22:45.29 | Noturno99 | bernat, thanks! Maybe this should be some relation with polkit packet? |
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| 22:46.00 | bernat | it may be |
| 22:46.39 | bernat | the Gnome3.8 transition is going slow and some things need to get fixed, that's why it's in experimental |
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| 22:47.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: you should probably filter them through syslog, can't find a way to alter the verbosity level. NVIDIA should really fix the issue, try updating. |
| 22:47.50 | bernat | you may ask in the #debian-gnome channel |
| 22:48.10 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu, I'm already filtering them out |
| 22:48.26 | bernat | I'm up to date, running SID |
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| 22:49.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: they shouldn't cause much trouble unless they occur *very* frequently. |
| 22:50.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: anyway, you can certainly disable it, see the amd_iommu= kernel parameter. But YMMV. |
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| 22:51.16 | bernat | I'll read about it, thanks |
| 22:51.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889749 |
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| 22:52.57 | bernat | I knew about this but it's not the problem I have |
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| 22:53.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat: it was only meant to show you how to disable it |
| 22:53.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | (which you shouldn't :D) |
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| 22:54.43 | acu | it is weird, this days I have all kind of bit***s network issues - I have a remote server with two NICs - debian wheezy as host and a couple of KVM virtual machines (all wheezy) --- I have setup the host for eth0 to be brWAN and eth1=brLAN then I can add two NICs for each virtual machine - one goes to LAN (through brLAN) one through WAN (through brWAN), suddenly I cannot have any trafic through brWAN -- physically it shoudl be connec |
| 22:54.44 | acu | ted - but I do not know what to do now - thankfully the brLAN works, and I can connect to the server remotely through another server which is in the same LAN as the one I am talking about - how can a reinstate brWAN (eth0 ?) and check first if it works or not |
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| 22:56.45 | acu | that was long, I may need to translate it in English :) |
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| 22:57.36 | baudmon | please someone has to know about ipw2100 issue |
| 22:58.25 | acu | what is ipw2100 and what OS do you run baudmon |
| 22:58.33 | bernat | baudmon, have you googled? |
| 22:59.31 | baudmon | ipw2100 seems to be a firmware for onboard wireless device |
| 22:59.53 | baudmon | yes, been reading - there are discussions but not really any working solutions |
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| 23:00.02 | baudmon | running wheezy i386 |
| 23:00.07 | mtn | baudmon: I googled it for you: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
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| 23:00.51 | baudmon | it's not that i don't have it, it's not activating on bootup |
| 23:00.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a way to ask Debian to build/install a cross-build-essential? I see a lot of duct taping in tutorials. |
| 23:01.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean, there isn't a toolchain for that arch, I want to build it. |
| 23:01.15 | baudmon | some are saying that it is an issue with firmware on a filesystem that's not mounted when it's calling the file |
| 23:01.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | *a toolchain binary |
| 23:01.34 | mtn | baudmon: it would help if you explained your issue in detail |
| 23:01.54 | acu | baudmon: do not know much about it - is an intel ? you need to be a bit more explicit in your questions - however the biggest shortcut you can have is to enable contrib non-free repositories (/etc/apt/sources.list) then aptitude update then aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree (usually this solves a lot of driver issues) |
| 23:02.36 | baudmon | essentially, when i boot - it's saying that ipw2100-1.3.fz firmware failed to load with a '-2' number (possibly code) |
| 23:02.52 | mtn | baudmon: did you install firmware-ipw2x00? |
| 23:03.19 | mtn | baudmon: from the repo? |
| 23:03.31 | baudmon | it's installed |
| 23:03.57 | baudmon | wait, which repo? |
| 23:04.03 | mtn | baudmon: debian |
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| 23:05.49 | baudmon | okay, i downloaded manually, extracted with nautilus |
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| 23:05.57 | baudmon | it appears to be working, got the green light |
| 23:06.09 | mtn | baudmon: wrong way to do it. follow the wiki I linked and it will work fine. |
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| 23:06.50 | baudmon | the problem seems to be that the files are being called in the wrong usr/firmware folder |
| 23:07.00 | bernat | baudmon, read the wiki! |
| 23:07.15 | baudmon | i read it way before |
| 23:07.18 | mtn | baudmon: always use the repos when possible. using apt-get to install get the files where they should be. :) |
| 23:07.19 | bernat | and follow the instructions closely |
| 23:07.24 | acu | or install non-free :) |
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| 23:07.36 | acu | there is no free beer, really :) |
| 23:07.45 | baudmon | thanks guys |
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| 23:08.06 | acu | firmware linux non-free is a newbie shortcut :) |
| 23:08.42 | baudmon | i wanted to go away from non-free unless absolutely needed because it's old hw |
| 23:08.55 | acu | yep, I do the same :) |
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| 23:09.18 | acu | but you can't postpone joy too long :) |
| 23:09.32 | acu | unless you are Mother Theresa |
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| 23:10.17 | baudmon | can't always be batman |
| 23:10.33 | bernat | baudmon, I don't get it, old hw doesn't like non-free? |
| 23:11.15 | baudmon | i think the install just put it in the wrong firmware directory or was installed improperly |
| 23:11.27 | baudmon | after the update, probably got wonked out or something |
| 23:11.39 | acu | bernat: yes, a lot of old does not get non-free, that is why debian was a bit "masochistic" distro :) you needed good coronary arteries :) |
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| 23:12.16 | baudmon | which do u think is mo masochistic arch or debian? |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | !u |
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| 23:12.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:12.53 | baudmon | damn sorray |
| 23:13.15 | mtn | spelling is vastly overrated |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | right |
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| 23:14.02 | acu | baudmon: at this point debian is a luxury OS, kick back and enjoy :) Archlinux is still way easier than what was debian few years ago |
| 23:14.16 | baudmon | admittedly, i shouldn't be shorting anything, especially spelling |
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| 23:14.27 | abrotman | shortening? |
| 23:14.37 | mtn | heh |
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| 23:14.44 | bernat | some of you are specially masochistic, really |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | baudmon: try them both, let us know. |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | especially? |
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| 23:15.04 | acu | bernat: most veterans here are |
| 23:15.33 | acu | newcommers have it easy, they still whine :) |
| 23:16.10 | bernat | they don't do it publicly |
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| 23:17.26 | baudmon | i general use arch but i setup and pawn off debian systems to others |
| 23:17.53 | jon8 | http://pastebin.com/y9Amfysc -- how can I fix this? |
| 23:17.58 | demoorian | hi, to tell just one thing: i am using debian since potatoe, had about 3 years absence from computers due to private probs, installes wheezy, all working, no probs, not even during instal |
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| 23:18.59 | abrotman | potato |
| 23:19.05 | abrotman | demoorian: is this a bad thing? |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | !tell jon8 about gpt |
| 23:19.24 | baudmon | you figure you still got it until you start running new ver. os' on old hardware then the tests come |
| 23:20.26 | demoorian | abrotman: no, shows just the thing, debian is just usable |
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| 23:21.59 | demoorian | was using testing/unstable before, no need anymore, i don't want to compromise my system any more. need a working one |
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| 23:23.31 | baudmon | how come i dont have wlan0 and it's using ethx? |
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| 23:25.29 | abrotman | baudmon: depends on the driver |
| 23:25.39 | acu | baudmon: is this a rhetoric question ? network stuff is controled in debian either through /etc/network/interfaces or LAN manager |
| 23:26.02 | acu | of course you need to know what hardware you have type lspci -v |
| 23:26.14 | acu | if you do ip addr |
| 23:26.22 | baudmon | ya but shouldn't a wireless device be showing up in iwconfig as wlanx? |
| 23:26.23 | demoorian | when all is working, why bother? |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | acu: seriously? |
| 23:26.31 | acu | will tell you what cards use what media |
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| 23:26.40 | abrotman | acu: are you just making stuff up? |
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| 23:27.02 | acu | sometimes :) you could correct me, being so handy on the watch :) |
| 23:27.39 | baudmon | at this point i'm not going to bother but i do need to operate it through the command line |
| 23:28.01 | baudmon | first i'm going to reboot |
| 23:28.22 | demoorian | reboot... like win* |
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| 23:29.04 | demoorian | reboot only when using a new kernel |
| 23:30.24 | baudmon | true, but i reboot to remount encrypted filesystems |
| 23:31.05 | demoorian | this should also be done without reboot, only remount if i am right |
| 23:31.21 | acu | abrotman: so how do you mostly control your network? I do it through /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager |
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| 23:31.34 | abrotman | acu: depends which system |
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| 23:33.32 | baudmon | everything seems to be in order, though one command is telling me the hardware need ieee80211 |
| 23:33.46 | baudmon | which i believe i already setup or installed |
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| 23:34.15 | demoorian | ? are you behind a router? which? |
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| 23:35.41 | baudmon | should i be answering beyond yes (for router) |
| 23:36.13 | demoorian | ok, so you seem to use dhcp, correct? |
| 23:36.43 | baudmon | okay i can't set mode - won't create mon0 for monitor |
| 23:37.01 | baudmon | i belive im using dhcp |
| 23:37.06 | baudmon | believe* |
| 23:37.56 | demoorian | ok, usually a router gives athe same ip to a machine always on the same connecor, if no other machine interferes |
| 23:38.18 | demoorian | just a moment, please |
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| 23:40.16 | baudmon | i don't have a good feeling about my wireless using eth1 |
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| 23:40.50 | MrBIOS | hi folks, I'm trying to automate configuration of "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" by first running "debconf-set-selections /tmp/debconf-exim4-config" to repopulate the answers |
| 23:40.50 | demoorian | http://paste.debian.net/12490 |
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| 23:41.12 | MrBIOS | but once I run "dpkg-reconfigure -u exim4-config" it doesn't seem to be using/honoring the values I set with debconf-set-selections |
| 23:41.24 | MrBIOS | any advice? |
| 23:41.34 | demoorian | this is a possibility to make things permanent, as example |
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| 23:42.59 | demoorian | badmon: if all works, all is ok |
| 23:43.25 | demoorian | baudmon: if all works, all is ok |
| 23:43.57 | baudmon | but i can't put it into monitor mode |
| 23:44.15 | demoorian | ahh, ok, i remember some |
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| 23:45.28 | demoorian | you need to put the device into a mode to use by any network (monitoring) device - from kde or others, right? |
| 23:45.29 | baudmon | it says that it cannot create (sys/class/ieee80211/phy0/add_iface: directory nonexistent |
| 23:46.32 | baudmon | yes i'm going to require it for any network, pretty much |
| 23:46.45 | baudmon | i think i'm just going to use gnome |
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| 23:47.54 | demoorian | (me don't like gnome, i just made my system doing what i want it to do |
| 23:48.33 | baudmon | should i go lighter? or switch to kde? |
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| 23:48.43 | baudmon | i dont mind openbox |
| 23:49.11 | demoorian | ok, ther are some things you could do using network monitor (availlable for kde, gnome, and many other environments) |
| 23:50.13 | demoorian | have those on my machine, but i don't use them |
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| 23:51.49 | demoorian | you should learn to read man pages - do a simple 'man interfaces' |
| 23:52.47 | demoorian | ... (: |
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| 23:57.08 | demoorian | hey baudmon did you do a 'man interfaces' ? |
| 23:57.39 | baudmon | sorry no, did u link me anything? |
| 23:57.48 | demoorian | just that |
| 23:57.55 | dizzylizzy | I've had a VPN service for the past month but have not been able to use it. My flatmate's computer uses Windows and can access it perfectly fine, if I use a LiveCD of Ubuntu 12.04 and use the service's ubuntu 12.04 installation script it works perfectly fine, but if I try just accessing the service by inputting the necessary information into GNOME network manager's vpn information, it simply fails to connect with no error messages. I'd really lik |
| 23:57.55 | dizzylizzy | e to get my VPN service working in Debian, but I need some help. I'm using sid. |
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| 23:59.10 | dizzylizzy | I've tried connecting by opening a terminal and running "openvpn Location.ovpn" where location.ovpn is one of the service's provided openvpn configuration files, and that appears to connect with my username and password that I give it but then, with no error messages, I get a few kilobytes of connection before I cannot connect to anything at all. |
| 23:59.11 | baudmon | okay i see what you're talking about now |
| 23:59.31 | demoorian | fine |