| 00:00.24 | demoorian | anything works, if you to the correct settings |
| 00:00.28 | baudmon | i tried the allow hotplug command but not recognized |
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| 00:00.59 | demoorian | allow hotplug is not essential |
| 00:02.16 | demoorian | what do you want? dhcp, or static? |
| 00:02.33 | baudmon | definitely not static |
| 00:02.54 | demoorian | ok, i'm behind a router, too |
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| 00:03.07 | demoorian | no probs with static |
| 00:03.32 | baudmon | true |
| 00:04.02 | baudmon | so that script you sent me before, would i have to apply that to a created file in /interfaces.d/machine-dependent? |
| 00:04.04 | demoorian | yes, else i could not write in here |
| 00:04.34 | demoorian | that was an example |
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| 00:05.46 | baudmon | i dont have a problem leaving it as it is if the adapter is working correctly, especially since using airodump still works; should i really fix it? |
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| 00:06.11 | demoorian | if you like to do static behind a router, you need to know the ip for your connection ( 1 per connector) |
| 00:06.53 | demoorian | when it works, why chage? |
| 00:06.59 | demoorian | change |
| 00:07.43 | baudmon | does leaving it the way it is leave me open to anything? |
| 00:08.14 | baudmon | seriously, i already fussed with it enough to let it be now |
| 00:08.26 | demoorian | of course, you can change at any time |
| 00:08.47 | baudmon | so the 'man interfaces' could help me change it, correct? |
| 00:09.15 | demoorian | yes, it is the main helping man page for this |
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| 00:09.42 | baudmon | awesome, thanks for sticking with me on this |
| 00:09.54 | demoorian | you're welcome |
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| 00:17.20 | lhx | can someone message me with lhx: in the name? testing out highlighting |
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| 00:17.45 | Vicissitude | lhx gets a result |
| 00:18.28 | lhx | Vicissitude: thanks! It's working |
| 00:18.57 | maroloccio | hi #debian. on the topic of service management. i read debian-policy and i now understand on debian is best to always start w/ invoke-rc.d, stop using invoke-rc.d, configure which services to start automatically (per runlevel) using update-rc.d |
| 00:19.26 | maroloccio | what about getting a list of: 1) currently running services 2) currently enabled services (for this runlevel) |
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| 00:27.02 | Coburn | maroloccio: yeah, invoke-rc.d is the de facto debian way |
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| 00:27.15 | Coburn | 'stop' 'start' 'restart'... pfft... lazy way out |
| 00:27.33 | Coburn | REAL MEN/WOMEN USE REAL COMMANDS |
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| 00:29.33 | maroloccio | Coburn: how do I 1) see the list of services running *now* 2) see the list of services configured to start automatically in *this* run level? |
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| 00:30.49 | abrotman | maroloccio: 1) ps aux 2) ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 00:32.07 | Coburn | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-show-what-services-are-running-253009/ |
| 00:32.26 | Coburn | also abrotman, your nick is like what the exploit on the Nintendo Wii NAND was ;) |
| 00:32.32 | Coburn | ABROT |
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| 00:33.58 | demoorian | Coburn: abrotman was here at least 6 to 8 jears ago |
| 00:34.20 | demoorian | when i rember correct |
| 00:34.35 | Coburn | heh |
| 00:34.49 | demoorian | sorry - bad typing |
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| 00:36.16 | demoorian | IP music SLOW - MP3@256 Kb/s |
| 00:36.36 | demoorian | nice music, and hearable |
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| 00:50.04 | maroloccio | it is curious that i should need to `ps aux' when i only want to see "services", isn't it? |
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| 00:51.01 | abrotman | maroloccio: we'll await your utility |
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| 01:02.54 | factor | Why does the debian live cds not have wifi setup |
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| 01:03.57 | epitamizor | only so many drivers can fit on a cd |
| 01:04.04 | haylo | you probably got an image without the non-free components |
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| 01:05.19 | haylo | factor: what wifi card do you have ? |
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| 01:05.58 | factor | netgear and a trendnet |
| 01:05.59 | haylo | regardless, try one of these images http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/ |
| 01:06.24 | factor | haylo, oh thanks |
| 01:06.35 | haylo | they were buitl with the non-free drivers enabled. for most hardware, that is going to be ideal. albiet quite a bit larger, than if built without |
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| 01:19.15 | daniel-s | Hello, I got this error: http://penguintengil.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/solving-error-0-000000-fast-tsc-calibration-failed-when-booting-in-fedora-16/ |
| 01:19.23 | daniel-s | On debian (jesse) in VirtualBox |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | that's on fedora |
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| 01:21.53 | abrotman | it tells you how to solve it |
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| 01:24.10 | daniel-s | I tried what it says, it didn't work |
| 01:24.14 | daniel-s | I also found this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/24/221 |
| 01:24.20 | daniel-s | which says it's just a warning |
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| 01:25.32 | r3m | ,v mtpfs |
| 01:25.33 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4 |
| 01:25.54 | dvs | no wheezy? that sucks |
| 01:25.58 | r3m | on squeeze but not on wheezy? |
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| 01:26.13 | abrotman | this is a known bug |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | !tell r3m about mtp |
| 01:26.22 | r3m | thanks |
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| 01:31.45 | gz4rth | o/ |
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| 01:43.34 | daniel-s | \o |
| 01:43.48 | daniel-s | at gz4rth |
| 01:44.10 | gz4rth | can i send pm you daniel-s ? |
| 01:44.14 | gz4rth | to you* |
| 01:44.18 | daniel-s | OK |
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| 01:52.39 | introom | remove all the files other than the specified one. What's the correct command? |
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| 01:53.23 | Th0masR0ss | introom: try 'rm -?' |
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| 01:54.47 | Vicissitude | or man rm |
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| 01:54.55 | introom | I am maning rm. |
| 01:55.01 | Th0masR0ss | true |
| 01:55.19 | Vicissitude | rm -? may not be a good idea |
| 01:55.25 | Th0masR0ss | man rm is probably a better idea |
| 01:55.44 | haylo | better to use sed to sort your file names. shell wildcard expansion sucks for that stuff. or use any program that will take regular expressions (regex) |
| 01:56.08 | haylo | like grep for instance, will take regex |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | find . ! -name foo -exec cmd {} \; ? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | maybe add a -type f for flavor |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | and that will recurse subdirectories and do cmd on them |
| 01:57.31 | introom | but I haven't rm -? on my os |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | takes the 'bad person' award |
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| 01:59.43 | introom | nor in debian. and didn't find a suitable rm -flag either. |
| 01:59.58 | Th0masR0ss | er. |
| 02:00.15 | Th0masR0ss | has been spending too much time on a different os |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | introom: i gave you the answer |
| 02:01.00 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman's answer is pretty thorough |
| 02:01.26 | introom | abrotman: sounds too complicated. :-) |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | then find a better way |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | maybe ask #bash |
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| 02:13.18 | haylo | introom: rm $(ls *| grep -v file_you_want) |
| 02:13.37 | maroloccio | abrotman: i have studied the status quo and the probable reason it is difficult to do such a thing is not so much the fact that we have both update-rc.d and upstart (and sysv) services to look at |
| 02:14.11 | introom | haylo: nice |
| 02:14.24 | maroloccio | because that is handled by the program `service' already (`service' being an inspiration from red hat/centos/fedora..) |
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| 02:15.17 | tempspace | Can someone on wheezy do a pidstat -w | grep rcu and tell me what their context switch value is? I'm trying to decide if mine isn't normal |
| 02:15.26 | maroloccio | but more, i would say, because the /etc/init.d/ scripts do not actually honour a contract of responding to an action of "status" (which is said not to be used by debian, but the debian port of service, particularly in the option --status-all) uses that to check status |
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| 02:15.57 | abrotman | maroloccio: what? |
| 02:16.18 | maroloccio | i was going about writing the utility you asked me to write |
| 02:16.35 | maroloccio | and found this problem: |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | maroloccio: ah, yes .. there are a few nuisances .. |
| 02:17.03 | maroloccio | if init scripts in /etc/init.d/ do not all have a valid `status' action they respond too.. it's hard to do |
| 02:17.26 | maroloccio | if you apt-get install service, you'll see an incredible hack by which that tool does a --status-all |
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| 02:18.01 | maroloccio | it just greps (!?!!) for the word "status)" in the /etc/init.d/ script and returns a "?" if the word is not there at all |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | seems reasonable? |
| 02:18.47 | maroloccio | of course this is insane as there may be a totally unrelated sequence of chars corresponding to "status)", not even within a case/esac block |
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| 02:19.06 | maroloccio | i mean, it could be in a comment, and it would be picked up as a recognised action |
| 02:19.35 | maroloccio | which would mean that the service progam actually invokes that script with that (missing) action |
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| 02:19.54 | maroloccio | causing totally random behaviour |
| 02:20.19 | maroloccio | so.. yes, abrotman, i was going to write this but it's trickier than expected |
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| 02:20.33 | maroloccio | and what we have right now is.. "creative" |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:21.40 | maroloccio | the problem of grepping for status is that the script may have that string as a comment, meaning it would actually DO something if invoked, it would not be a "non-invoking call", but a real call with an unrecognised argument (the "status" string) |
| 02:22.19 | maroloccio | it's very easy to imagine the script then doing totally unexpected things and... the status program.. actually fagocitates all input into an "out" variable |
| 02:22.28 | maroloccio | so.. stuff would happen and nobody would know about it |
| 02:22.47 | maroloccio | i think if i am to fix this, there is much more work to be done than just writing that utility, which i was going to do |
| 02:23.09 | maroloccio | why did i come back here though? |
| 02:23.14 | maroloccio | to pose the key question: |
| 02:23.40 | maroloccio | is there another way in debian to query an /etc/init.d/ script to see if it's running that is safe and sane? |
| 02:23.50 | maroloccio | if there is.. i have my utility ready basically |
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| 02:28.27 | haylo | introom: if you turn on the correct bash shell option with: shopt -s extglob , you can just: rm !(file_you_want) . enter shopt to look at your shell options |
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| 02:31.13 | haylo | also learning to do the same thing with "find" is obviously way more powerful. as suggested |
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| 02:33.45 | silorge | How do I make sure that my eth0 has this info? |
| 02:33.48 | silorge | static ip |
| 02:33.59 | silorge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:34.11 | silorge | default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 proto static |
| 02:34.23 | silorge | nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | !tell silorge about interfaces |
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| 02:38.29 | factor | haylo, Where those debian images nofree hybrid ? |
| 02:38.39 | factor | trying to get it to usb but not working it seems |
| 02:39.01 | ooldirty | silorge: echo -e 'auto eth0 inet static\n\t address 192.168.2.2\n\t gateway 192.168.2.1\n\t netmask 255.255.255.0' >> /etc/network/interfaces && echo 'nameserver 192.168.2.1' >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:39.40 | ooldirty | silorge: ??? |
| 02:39.49 | factor | I guess they are |
| 02:39.55 | factor | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:40.06 | factor | since its dir is called iso-hybrid |
| 02:41.04 | haylo | yeah , i think they are made with xorisso as well, if you want to claim the remainder of the stick for persistence |
| 02:41.26 | Ologn | Anyone see this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/us/politics/documents-show-liberals-in-irs-dragnet.html |
| 02:41.26 | haylo | probably should join #debian-live on oftc . that is where i know all this crap from |
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| 02:41.42 | Ologn | The Times says the IRS has been targeting "open source" groups |
| 02:41.43 | factor | nice |
| 02:42.01 | factor | noted |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | Ologn: wrong channel |
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| 02:42.40 | Ologn | abrotman: fuck you |
| 02:42.55 | dvs | see a |
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| 02:43.18 | nonconvergent | Anyone got a preferred ftp server? |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | vsftpd, but you really shouldn't use ftp |
| 02:44.19 | nonconvergent | abrotman: I'm getting a little frustrated with mtp and adb, moving files to my android device. The solution appears to be to just avoid it entirely and push things around. |
| 02:44.28 | nonconvergent | hence ftp. |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | yuck |
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| 02:44.59 | nonconvergent | adb just likes to give up halfway through a push to my xoom sometimes. |
| 02:45.09 | nonconvergent | Big files are almost garaunteed not to make it. |
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| 02:46.24 | factor | haylo, how can I tell if dd is doing something |
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| 02:46.42 | nonconvergent | And as I like to treat the thing more like a portable library than a youtube and facebook kiosk... |
| 02:47.06 | nonconvergent | factor: Did it finish? If no: it's doing something. |
| 02:47.18 | factor | ppsft |
| 02:47.27 | nonconvergent | dd is pretty simple. |
| 02:47.31 | factor | its a 1.2gig image |
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| 02:47.55 | nonconvergent | Yeah, that'll take a minute. particularly depending on the speed of the device. |
| 02:48.09 | factor | usb 2.0 |
| 02:48.19 | nonconvergent | That'll take a good long minute then. |
| 02:48.35 | crafty1 | I need to replace the motherboard on one of my computers and reinstall Debian. Has anyone had any really bad issues with the Secure Boot? Or can I just disable it and install Debian like usual? |
| 02:48.37 | factor | been at least 10 mins so far I think |
| 02:48.37 | haylo | specify something reasonable like bs=4M so you arent watching it all day |
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| 02:49.30 | nonconvergent | I'd make a cup of tea. And then drink it. Then make another cup. |
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| 02:49.51 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Why do you say not to use ftp? |
| 02:50.08 | haylo | and /connect irc.oftc.net and then #join #debian-live |
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| 02:50.36 | abrotman | nonconvergent: for an internet service, it's completely insecure |
| 02:50.41 | haylo | that is a mroe correct place for this conversation. i dont think the devs are even on this channel |
| 02:51.10 | factor | ok I am out hope it finishes in the next 10 mins. |
| 02:51.58 | nonconvergent | abrotman: exploitable? I mean, I already run an ssh server on here, using key pair auth only. |
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| 03:03.26 | elkng | I'l ask here |
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| 03:04.05 | dvs | elkng: no, the minimum is a 486 |
| 03:04.22 | dvs | at least for Debian anyways |
| 03:04.34 | mumpitze1 | elkng: it is possible yes. it's not possible to install current debian on this machine |
| 03:05.01 | mumpitze1 | what do you want to achieve with this, cause the software that will run is extremely limited due to lack of RAM |
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| 03:05.10 | elkng | mumpitze1: but I asked "to install linux" not "to install debian" anyway |
| 03:05.31 | mumpitze1 | and you asked this in #debian. please go to ##linux then |
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| 03:05.51 | haylo | what, di dyou tell someone it is, and now you want to see if it is actually true ? :) |
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| 03:06.58 | haylo | oh wait i misunderstood |
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| 03:07.05 | haylo | yes, you might write to swap alot though |
| 03:07.33 | Dewi | elkng: it's possible, but you'll probably want a distro designed for embedded use |
| 03:07.38 | Dewi | elkng: not debian |
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| 03:09.00 | haylo | debian can be nearly as low ram as some of the tiny linuxes. when it is in its slimmest form. maybe <10MB |
| 03:09.31 | apm1 | haylo, good morning :) |
| 03:09.36 | haylo | and you can make an emdebian build |
| 03:09.47 | haylo | heya apm1 , morn o/ |
| 03:11.05 | apm1 | how can someone actually live with binaries as limited as <10mb |
| 03:11.25 | apm1 | it can be a toy system yes |
| 03:11.48 | apm1 | not a workstation never , well unless vim is all you need perhaps then |
| 03:11.49 | haylo | you can run apache and and ssh server, direct networking, make a router |
| 03:12.03 | haylo | oh yeah, and awk for spreadsheet :) |
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| 03:15.04 | elkng | apm1: you can use it as headless client |
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| 03:16.06 | apm1 | elkng, yeah well you can but 10mbs is just too less for me |
| 03:16.20 | apm1 | i'd refuse to work with such low specs |
| 03:16.46 | elkng | what computer did linus own when he built his first 0.1 kernel ? |
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| 03:16.58 | haylo | a guy was talking about installing to 350 machines with 8 MB ram |
| 03:17.02 | caf | a 386 of some sort |
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| 03:17.10 | haylo | that was what brought it up |
| 03:17.11 | apm1 | elkng, iirc that was 1990 |
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| 03:17.29 | apm1 | i wasn't even born in 1990 |
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| 03:17.47 | elkng | apm1: such machines can still be around, what if you find one of them what will you do, go along ? |
| 03:17.50 | dvs | it was 1991 |
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| 03:18.11 | apm1 | elkng, toss it or give it to a collector |
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| 03:20.26 | elkng | isn't it ironical, whereas blackbox or other tiny DE can use kilobytes of RAM, you need entire X to run it that will consume dozens of megabytes of RAM ? |
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| 03:24.20 | peterrooney | elkng: Just goes to prove that X has met the goal of providing mechanism rather than dictating policy. |
| 03:25.02 | catsup | my X is only 24MB |
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| 03:30.04 | mizo_96 | Hi has anyone done a cobbler kickstart install of debian by the LAN fully, as in it refers to apt repo on the local subnet from the Debian ISO??? |
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| 03:30.42 | mizo_96 | I do not wish to use apt-mirror to do download 50gigs |
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| 03:35.32 | mumpitze1 | mizo_96: what would you need to download 50GB for? I don't follow you |
| 03:36.12 | dvs | mumpitze1: a Debian mirror for wheezy is about 79GB in size |
| 03:36.16 | mizo_96 | hi mumpitzel, if I was to use apt-mirror, and choose my architecture, it downloads so many files |
| 03:36.25 | mizo_96 | totals around 50gb |
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| 03:36.53 | mizo_96 | I need to create an apt repo from cd > then publish it in apache |
| 03:36.57 | mizo_96 | so then |
| 03:37.04 | mizo_96 | when the kickstart needs the mirror |
| 03:37.29 | mizo_96 | by kickstart i mean preseed |
| 03:37.29 | mizo_96 | I can point to the local mirror on my subnet |
| 03:37.35 | mizo_96 | new to the ubuntu / debian world |
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| 03:45.47 | reavengrey | Hi, using cgroups/linux-vservers/lxc |
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| 03:46.04 | reavengrey | Based on my reading, it appears you can start whole userspace process trees |
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| 03:46.33 | reavengrey | For example, you can run say, apache, sshd, etc in an isolated jail context |
| 03:46.44 | reavengrey | Is this basically the idea? |
| 03:46.54 | reavengrey | It's like having a whole other userspace running in parallel? |
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| 04:23.01 | nonconvergent | Huh, I deleted a /usr/share/ directory created when something was installed by mistake. How can I get it to create it again? purge and install didn't seem to work. |
| 04:24.45 | epitamizor | assuming you have no backup |
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| 04:26.08 | nonconvergent | No backup. I just installed this thing for the first time, and I was messing around with it, and was thinking it was writing stuff there...turns out it was just reading. |
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| 04:27.38 | epitamizor | if you reinstalled it and the files are still missing then that isnt part of the package |
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| 04:29.00 | nonconvergent | Well I didn't put them there. |
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| 04:31.38 | epitamizor | unless something is broken then I wouldn't worry about it |
| 04:32.06 | epitamizor | may have been just themes or something |
| 04:32.20 | nonconvergent | It's broken or this wouldn't be a problem. |
| 04:32.29 | nonconvergent | Maybe there was a dependency package that provided it. |
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| 04:33.06 | epitamizor | reinstall all your applications then to see if it comes back |
| 04:34.01 | epitamizor | otherwise you probably need to reinstall OS |
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| 04:39.39 | peterrooney | nonconvergent: I doubt _anything_ would work after deleting /usr/share/ - what subdirectory did you delete, and what is broken? |
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| 04:41.15 | nonconvergent | Ah, I think it was mediatomb-common I needed to reinstall. |
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| 05:42.21 | jaalto | How do you check from bash script if OS is Ubuntu? |
| 05:43.16 | jaalto | ... or Debian, that is. |
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| 06:09.09 | jaalto | haylo: thanks |
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| 06:15.33 | checka | hello freidns of debian! |
| 06:16.03 | checka | today i ran into an strange problem on one of my dedicated servers, im not able to su to root anymore ! |
| 06:16.27 | bytecounter | why not? |
| 06:16.28 | checka | if i enter the password i know is correct i get the error su: permission denied |
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| 06:16.50 | bytecounter | Caps Lock? |
| 06:16.50 | checka | if i enter an wrong password |
| 06:16.53 | checka | i get su: Authentication failure |
| 06:16.59 | bytecounter | Ok |
| 06:17.04 | checka | well its that strange |
| 06:17.29 | checka | i try to remember what ive done lately to this server but i cant figure out what should have compromised my root accound |
| 06:17.34 | checka | *account |
| 06:17.59 | checka | last thing i have done was starting mysql in save mode and changed mysql's root password |
| 06:18.09 | checka | but that should not effect my system root accound |
| 06:18.11 | checka | *account |
| 06:18.14 | checka | any ideas ? |
| 06:19.29 | mav | checka: sudo su -? or can you physically access the server to login from tty? |
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| 06:20.25 | checka | no im afraid i cant physically access it |
| 06:20.38 | Dewi | checka: you don't have sudo on anything? |
| 06:20.53 | checka | well im not a friend of sudo, i just left it unconfigured |
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| 06:21.04 | checka | so no i have no sudo account |
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| 06:21.25 | Dewi | checka: is it a vm/vps or real? |
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| 06:22.56 | checka | its an real dedicated server |
| 06:23.18 | checka | but well i now remeber |
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| 06:23.58 | checka | last thing i added though was adding to file: /etc/pam.d/common-session the line: session required pam_limits.so |
| 06:24.21 | Dewi | checka: if you really cannot recover the password (try other passwords like mysql's in case you accidentally saved it over root's) |
| 06:24.35 | bytecounter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.46 | bytecounter | He changed the pam.d service.... |
| 06:24.57 | Dewi | oh |
| 06:25.13 | Dewi | is there a way to ssh past that? |
| 06:25.33 | checka | well yes i changed the pas.d service ... |
| 06:25.40 | checka | root soft nofile 131072 |
| 06:25.45 | bytecounter | Is it possilble(allowed) to login as root via ssh? |
| 06:25.52 | checka | no it is not |
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| 06:26.17 | checka | i only can login with 2 users that are not allowed to sudo and are just for ssh connection to the box |
| 06:26.39 | checka | this is done via public key auth |
| 06:26.43 | bytecounter | An dyou have no access to the hardware directly..it seems you have really a problem :-( |
| 06:26.56 | bytecounter | Why did you change the pam.d? |
| 06:27.05 | checka | nope im afraid i cant access the box physically |
| 06:27.24 | Dewi | checka: I think you might need to boot from external media |
| 06:27.34 | bytecounter | You must be root to undo this changes.. |
| 06:27.45 | Dewi | I was going to say you might be able to determine something from a backup image but you might only learn that you are indeed locked out. |
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| 06:27.56 | mav | checka: any hp or dell remote access modules available? like iDrac? |
| 06:28.27 | checka | damn it, im in a dilemma, no there is no remote access or failover serial connection or anyhting i can access |
| 06:28.36 | checka | my hoster is very lame when it comes to failover |
| 06:28.39 | Dewi | checka: is it in a data centre? |
| 06:28.44 | checka | yes it is |
| 06:29.40 | Dewi | checka: my impulse would be to ask them to pop in a debian live cd (rescue version), boot, change password, install sshd |
| 06:29.44 | bytecounter | Why you changed the pam.d ? |
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| 06:30.27 | bytecounter | I think sshd is running, but it is not allowd to login as root directly |
| 06:30.38 | checka | i added to /etc/security/limits.conf the following lines |
| 06:30.39 | checka | root soft nofile 131072 |
| 06:30.46 | Dewi | yeah, debian live would have a working pam tho |
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| 06:31.05 | checka | so i added to my common-session file session required pam_limits.so |
| 06:31.21 | checka | cause i thought my ram access was limited by debians security features |
| 06:31.25 | Dewi | checka: you don't have any remaining root prompts in a pre-connected session or screen session? |
| 06:32.05 | checka | no its not allowed to log in via root directly ... via ssh |
| 06:32.20 | checka | and well im that afraid i have no connections opened any more |
| 06:32.55 | checka | thing is i lately added an user that is allowed to sudo and this user can restart 2 services without the use of a password, nginx and php-fpm |
| 06:33.20 | checka | but probably i configured sudo that this user only can access this 2 single files not anything else |
| 06:33.32 | checka | i will though now try to sudo edit the pam file |
| 06:33.44 | checka | but i dont think of success right now :( |
| 06:33.46 | Dewi | checka: try starting sftp as well |
| 06:33.54 | Dewi | although |
| 06:34.03 | Dewi | I have no idea if that's possible through sudo |
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| 06:34.17 | Dewi | so scratch that |
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| 06:36.28 | checka | damn so no sudo wont let me do anything than restarting nginx and php-fpm |
| 06:37.11 | checka | and i have checked my /etc/pam.d/common-session file... i entered the last line wrong ... so i think pam isnt working in any way i thought |
| 06:37.19 | checka | omg this is weird |
| 06:37.56 | checka | but okay so i need to call my hosting provider to physically access the machine and have him replace that file |
| 06:38.09 | checka | with some sort of live cd |
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| 06:48.22 | mav | checka: looks that way.. or go there yourself depending on what is cheaper/faster |
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| 07:08.03 | DexterF | greetings |
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| 07:09.34 | DexterF | I backed up an mbr and two partitions, now I wanted to dd them back to a real disk with same geometry. I used: # cat mbr sdb1 sdb5 | dd_rescue - /dev/sdb |
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| 07:10.02 | DexterF | now cfdisk does not see the second partition. I think I got it wrong somehow? |
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| 07:11.26 | Wizard | DexterF: Probaby you have to restore mbr first, than dd images to partitions directly. |
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| 07:12.31 | DexterF | Wizard: sounds sane. not said they follow each other directly. will try! |
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| 07:27.15 | dape | hello, where can i ask the status of this mirror bug please? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711944 |
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| 08:42.58 | gebi | any idea why xset m x y and xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 ..." stopped working in unstable? |
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| 09:08.55 | groolot | I want to set a boot PXE system to widely spread a unique system to a classroom |
| 09:09.38 | groolot | Does someone have some documentation or links to help me doing that , |
| 09:09.45 | histo | groolot: ltsp ??? |
| 09:09.51 | lolgnu | groolot: sounds like a lot of work |
| 09:09.59 | histo | groolot: http://www.ltsp.org/ |
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| 09:10.41 | groolot | lolgnu: It's like clonezilla system but with a convenient system for my students |
| 09:11.13 | lolgnu | groolot: can't you just yank out their harddrives and clone them? |
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| 09:15.31 | switch | Hi. if I burn a iso image from a nfs mount, will the burning dvd-rom catch the speed of transfer? both are debian lenny. |
| 09:16.01 | groolot | lolgnu: no! the goal is to keep in the single point the configuration and the system |
| 09:16.21 | lolgnu | groolot: I am confused |
| 09:16.29 | groolot | lolgnu: cloning was the old way we worked |
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| 09:16.45 | Iridos | he doen't want to install systems on all desktops but have them all boot the same system via pxe |
| 09:16.45 | groolot | lolgnu: we now want to achiev a centralised booting system |
| 09:16.51 | Iridos | dpkg, pxe |
| 09:16.51 | dpkg | Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
| 09:17.31 | lolgnu | groolot: for install or like thin clients? |
| 09:17.40 | lolgnu | groolot: how many students? |
| 09:17.49 | groolot | lolgnu: thin client |
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| 09:18.04 | groolot | lolgnu: 3 classrooms of 18 students |
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| 09:18.16 | groolot | something easy no? |
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| 09:18.52 | lolgnu | groolot: if you have the hardware it shouldnt be to hard |
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| 09:19.04 | lolgnu | but it seems like a terrible idea if you dont |
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| 09:20.18 | gebi | groolot: we changed from a pxe environment to something similar, just roll out ubuntu with a kickstart file and make the few necessary changes afterwards with puppet |
| 09:20.30 | gebi | was a much more stable system overall than pxe |
| 09:20.57 | gebi | bonus is you can roll out windows with the same system if you want |
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| 09:23.40 | Rollozuh | does anybody remember how to set shared-memory (shmmax) for one user only? there was a short command. but i dont remember. |
| 09:23.42 | groolot | gebi: do you have some links to help me understand |
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| 09:24.27 | elfranne | I am having problem with an old Lenny and the archive repo : http://pastebin.com/meRvPhnz |
| 09:24.42 | gebi | groolot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer |
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| 09:26.44 | groolot | gebi: I don't understand the difference between what you linked me and what I want to do |
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| 09:30.31 | gebi | groolot: hope you got my last messages |
| 09:30.56 | groolot | gebi: not at all |
| 09:31.11 | groolot | gebi: nothing more than the link |
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| 09:31.28 | groolot | gebi: nothing more than the link to help.ubuntu.com |
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| 09:32.21 | MCMic | Hello, I'm updating from squeeze to wheezy, I'm getting a APT::Immediate-Configure about python-mlt5, I tried running "apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" as the documentation suggest, and I still get the same error. |
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| 09:33.51 | mumpitze1 | !tell MCMic about squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 09:34.17 | MCMic | thanks |
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| 09:34.31 | MCMic | a and b are done, trying (c) |
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| 09:38.42 | gebi | i'd use atftpd and gpxe as preboot pxe environment, but the above site should get you started |
| 09:38.47 | gebi | groolot: in the end you have a network boot dialog where you have an install menue and we also always add eg. memtest86+ or some other tools there |
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| 09:39.35 | groolot | gebi: well, is this an install deployment system or a live booting system ? |
| 09:42.02 | gebi | install deployment |
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| 09:42.29 | gebi | as i said earlier, we changed from a live pxe boot system to pxe deployment because it has better stability |
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| 09:53.47 | gebi | groolot: why do you want a pxe live boot system? |
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| 09:55.02 | yaf_elec | hi, I'm trying to install a 32bit skype version on my system. There is a deb file at skype's website. After executing dpkg -i I get this error: "dpkg: error processing skype-debian_4.2.0.11-1_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)" Any help ? |
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| 09:55.56 | yaf_elec | should I use the tar file they have ? install any libs ? |
| 09:56.13 | MCMic | mumpitze1: I'm not getting any result. "add squeeze back into sources.list", does that mean before, after, or instead of the wheezy lines? |
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| 09:57.14 | babilen | yaf_elec: See http://wiki.debian.org/skype for installation instructions |
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| 09:58.11 | gebi | yaf_elec: the deb works without problems here, i just installed it with dpkg -i --force-architecture, though i still have skype v2 |
| 09:58.35 | yaf_elec | gebi, how long ago did you install it ? |
| 09:58.58 | gebi | years? |
| 09:59.23 | gebi | but there was no update for a long time |
| 09:59.46 | gebi | yaf_elec: use the wiki, it has the "right" approach |
| 09:59.54 | gebi | i installed it before my sid became multiarch ;) |
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| 10:02.57 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: just "add". add doesn't mean replace or says anything about sequence |
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| 10:04.35 | MCMic | mumpitze1: Then it doesn't work, I tried |
| 10:04.50 | MCMic | I can't remove the package, it's not installed, I can't install it, it fails |
| 10:07.18 | yaf_elec | following the instructions on the wiki, I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/12536/ |
| 10:07.47 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: are debconf and dpkg already on wheezy versions? |
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| 10:08.31 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: I did it wirh testing 2 days ago. But I used apt-get -f install not aptitude and all was smooth. |
| 10:09.03 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: you did an apt-get update before? |
| 10:09.18 | yaf_elec | ChrisH, yes |
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| 10:10.11 | yaf_elec | can someone clarify my if I should use apt-get or aptitude ? can I switch between them if something doesn't work ? |
| 10:10.18 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: and it looks like the gnome stuff is a dependecy from something else but skype. |
| 10:10.34 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: you can use apt-get right now. switching is no problem. |
| 10:10.37 | yaf_elec | ChrisH, I use xfce, I didn't like gnome3 |
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| 10:11.17 | yaf_elec | apt-get worked for me too, thanks! |
| 10:11.19 | MCMic | mumpitze1: dpkg --version tells me 1.15.8.13 |
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| 10:12.42 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: the doku does not mention aptitude IIRC. can you show me aptitude why gnome-chess gdebi guile-2.0-libs gnome-games please? |
| 10:13.19 | MCMic | Version: 1.5.36.1 for debconf |
| 10:13.21 | yaf_elec | ChrisH, I didn't get it. Show what ? |
| 10:13.45 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: output from 'aptitude why gnome-chess gdebi guile-2.0-libs gnome-games' please |
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| 10:14.34 | yaf_elec | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/12541/ |
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| 10:15.33 | MCMic | mumpitze1: it seems debconf is up to date but not dpkg |
| 10:15.44 | MCMic | mumpitze1: but apt won't let me install or update anything |
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| 10:16.03 | MCMic | (the apt-get install apt from dpkg bot earlier did not work) |
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| 10:18.56 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: and nopw please the output from: 'dpkg -l gnome-chess desktop-base gnome' and 'dpkg -l | egrep -v -e ^ii |
| 10:19.04 | babilen | yaf_elec: You have two separate problems there -- The first is that you didn't follow the instructions on the wiki to the end as you forgot to run "apt-get -f install" -- It also looks as if you are *not* using wheezy, but unstable. Is that correct? |
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| 10:19.52 | babilen | yaf_elec: The latter is what ChrisH is investigating right now and probably stems from earlier package removals. |
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| 10:20.23 | yaf_elec | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/12544/ |
| 10:20.25 | babilen | yaf_elec: And please, if we say "apt-get -f install" we mean apt-get not aptitude |
| 10:20.34 | babilen | yaf_elec: So, are you using unstable? |
| 10:20.57 | yaf_elec | babilen, I thought I should stick either with aptitude, or with apt-get... and since I started using the former. I stayed with it |
| 10:21.04 | yaf_elec | babilen, I'm using testing |
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| 10:21.36 | ChrisH | yaf_elec: three command lines please Line 1: dpkg -l gnome-chess desktop-base gnome Line 2: dpkg -l | egrep -v -e ^ii Line 3: lsb_release -a |
| 10:22.45 | babilen | yaf_elec: First and foremost: This channel (#debian) is for stable support and you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for help with testing or unstable. Secondly: Could you also paste "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6:i386" please? |
| 10:22.50 | yaf_elec | http://paste.debian.net/12546/ |
| 10:23.34 | yaf_elec | http://paste.debian.net/12547/ |
| 10:24.26 | babilen | yaf_elec: Okay, please run "aptitude keep-all" and then "apt-get -f install" and show us the output of that |
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| 10:24.46 | babilen | (apt-get *not* aptitude in the second command) |
| 10:24.54 | yaf_elec | :) |
| 10:25.12 | yaf_elec | http://paste.debian.net/12549/ |
| 10:25.34 | babilen | So, you are done ... Does "aptitude -f install" still want to install random packages? |
| 10:25.50 | yaf_elec | nope |
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| 10:26.34 | babilen | okay, you had scheduled actions -- You also might want to consider purging the packages you have removed earlier by running "aptitude purge ~c" -- That will remove all configuration files of packages that you removed. |
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| 10:26.47 | babilen | yaf_elec: And please keep in mind that you want #debian-next in the future |
| 10:27.04 | yaf_elec | babilen, ok |
| 10:29.31 | yaf_elec | babilen, can you verify if this sources.list is ok: http://paste.debian.net/12552/ ? |
| 10:30.37 | babilen | yaf_elec: I wouldn't recommend to use deb-multimedia and I personally prefer to use a metamirror like http.debian.net, but apart from that it is okay ;) |
| 10:31.32 | yaf_elec | babilen, thanks |
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| 10:31.49 | babilen | yaf_elec: Ah, you are also missing "contrib non-free" for testing/updates but then there aren't really any security updates for testing anyway. I would furthermore recommend to use a testing/unstable mix as you will frequently be in a position that you want to pull packages from unstable. See "/msg dpkg tum" for details on that. |
| 10:32.16 | Deeps | Is there a 'recommended' way to go about doing two-factor authentication on debian wheezy, using software applications to generate the OTPs (rather than a hardware token device)? |
| 10:32.34 | Deeps | E.g. is there a preference towards duo-security over google, or other services? |
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| 10:37.11 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: you need to install via dpkg |
| 10:38.03 | MCMic | mumpitze1: install what? The package that fail configuration? I download it from here : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-mlt5 ? |
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| 10:38.16 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: no, dpkg and debconf from wheezy |
| 10:38.25 | MCMic | ok |
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| 10:38.28 | MCMic | apt too? |
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| 10:38.42 | mumpitze1 | dpkg has a new feature that the new packages need. old squeeze doesn't. in a nutshell, that is your problem |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | mumpitze1: what are you talking about? |
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| 10:38.49 | mumpitze1 | not apt |
| 10:38.58 | MCMic | ok |
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| 10:39.11 | babilen | Deeps: Take a look at, for example, libpam-otpw and libpam-google-authenticator |
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| 10:39.50 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, I am in the group sudo, so I added this in my visudo: ephexeve ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 10:39.57 | jwilliams1 | any place where a user can find battery status information for a specific laptop model? |
| 10:39.57 | Ephexeve_laptop | but it doesn't seem to work, any idea why? |
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| 10:43.42 | MCMic | mumpitze1: installing last dpkg requires multiarch-support which require a libc6 version that it seems I can't install |
| 10:44.10 | babilen | Deeps: There are also plenty of packages that come up when you run "apt-cache search totp" that might be of interest to you. |
| 10:45.37 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: aptitude why python-mlt5 |
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| 10:45.48 | Ephexeve_laptop | Anyone? |
| 10:46.23 | babilen | Deeps: Also OpenSSH 6.2 added support for two-factor authentication, but that version isn't in wheezy. |
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| 10:46.36 | Deeps | babilen: Thanks, I'd been looking at that kind of stuff. Was just curious if there was a 'preferred' service - ie, one that would be less likely to stop being supported in future (google's strikes me as one such possibility) |
| 10:47.01 | Deeps | babilen: to clarify, google's strikes me as a kind of example of a service that *might* be less likely to be supported in future |
| 10:47.12 | MCMic | mumpitze1: it says openshot, i'll try removing that |
| 10:47.15 | Deeps | based on debian/google philosophies |
| 10:47.17 | babilen | Deeps: yubikey is frequently mentioned, but I really don't have enough experience in that area to make reasonable guesses about the future |
| 10:47.37 | Deeps | babilen: Fair enough. Thanks for the suggestions |
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| 10:49.20 | babilen | Deeps: You might want to ask on the mailing lists too (debian-security and debian-user come to mind) |
| 10:49.50 | Deeps | babilen: That's probably the best idea, thank you! |
| 10:50.04 | babilen | Deeps: Good luck :) |
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| 10:50.44 | MCMic | mumpitze1: Thanks, it seems it's upgrading nicely now |
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| 10:58.39 | MCMic | mumpitze1: err, now I'm getting this : http://paste.debian.net/12560/ (sorry some of the text is in french, but I think important part are in english) |
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| 11:00.32 | beboj_ | hi , im getting error while upgrading http://pastebin.com/WnM2Wdnr , any ideas how to solve this issue? |
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| 11:01.24 | magenbrot | beboj_: No space left on device |
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| 11:03.43 | caf | (which means: you're out of disk space) |
| 11:04.01 | babilen | beboj_: Check the output of "df -h" and act accordingly. Either add more storage to your box or delete some data. Running "apt-get autoclean" or "apt-get clean" might be a start. |
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| 11:04.42 | beboj_ | thx ! |
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| 11:11.03 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: install (or uninstall) apt-listchanges. if you uninstall, you can install it back after the upgrade. pat-listchanges needs some python and errors for some reason or other :( |
| 11:11.15 | mumpitze1 | MCMic: more python fallout it seems |
| 11:11.25 | MCMic | hum |
| 11:11.28 | MCMic | I'll try |
| 11:11.39 | pduersteler | i just did something stupid and dist-upgraded to wheezy whithout checking if the websites will work on php5.4, which some won't. how can I tell apt to re-setup 5.3 and not upgrade? |
| 11:11.59 | MCMic | mumpitze1: apt won't let me do anything because of packages half installed |
| 11:12.11 | mumpitze1 | of course. dpkg again |
| 11:12.57 | MCMic | mumpitze1: to do what? remove apt-listchanges? installing python-apt ? (it seems related) |
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| 11:13.52 | MCMic | mumpitze1: dpkg get me the second error of the paste |
| 11:14.06 | MCMic | mumpitze1: the problem of Description in quixie status |
| 11:14.54 | mumpitze1 | !tell MCMic about localized errors |
| 11:14.58 | mumpitze1 | my french isn't too good anymore |
| 11:15.02 | mumpitze1 | (well, it never was) |
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| 11:15.07 | MCMic | ^^ |
| 11:15.50 | MCMic | mumpitze1: dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 14018 package 'quixie': blank line in value of field 'Description' |
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| 11:16.16 | mumpitze1 | make a copy of the status file as backup then open it with an editor and fix the corrupted line 14018. give quixie a non blank description |
| 11:16.20 | _dep | How do i clear dns cache ? |
| 11:16.36 | mumpitze1 | _dep: for which application? |
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| 11:17.17 | MCMic | ok |
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| 11:17.49 | _dep | mumpitze1: is it possible for the hole system? |
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| 11:18.32 | mumpitze1 | _dep: there is no cache afaik |
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| 11:19.20 | mumpitze1 | if you use dnsmasq or bind for caching then there is |
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| 11:19.54 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, is there apt-fast for debian |
| 11:19.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | ? |
| 11:20.01 | _dep | mumpitze1: ah ok thanks! |
| 11:20.04 | Ephexeve_laptop | or only works on Ubuntu? |
| 11:20.22 | mumpitze1 | !tell Ephexeve_laptop about serch |
| 11:20.32 | mumpitze1 | !tell Ephexeve_laptop about search |
| 11:20.41 | Ephexeve_laptop | I alrady did.. |
| 11:20.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | it's not in the repo, but I added the ppa, and I got some errors fetching when doing an update |
| 11:21.28 | SKYLAKE-10nm | hi grawity |
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| 11:21.30 | mumpitze1 | using ubuntu PPAs in debian is not a good idea. guaranteed way to system breakage |
| 11:21.58 | Ephexeve_laptop | yeah, that was the actual question, is it only for ubuntu and not debian? |
| 11:22.25 | mumpitze1 | ask the developer of apt-fast, not us. how would we know random software off the internet? |
| 11:22.27 | Ephexeve_laptop | pathetic, writting a package for ubuntu only when ubuntu is based on debian :( |
| 11:22.43 | Ephexeve_laptop | seems widely used, that's why the question |
| 11:23.01 | mumpitze1 | if it is you have a shitty internet connection |
| 11:23.26 | mumpitze1 | or bad mirrors |
| 11:23.58 | Ephexeve_laptop | Don't think a 200mb upload and download is shitty :p |
| 11:24.48 | Ephexeve_laptop | But this is what I got -> http://codepad.org/l5xOq89h |
| 11:24.50 | mumpitze1 | it is if your ISP advertises this speed but cant deliver it :P |
| 11:25.01 | Ephexeve_laptop | Nah, it does pretty well |
| 11:25.54 | mumpitze1 | you ask launchpad.net for "wheezy"? and you really thought this would work? anyways: not a debian problem in the slighest |
| 11:26.18 | Ephexeve_laptop | man, I just added the ppa like the github page said |
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| 11:27.15 | osfd | how should I proceed if I wanna do something like for f in `ls` when some files have spaces in their name...? |
| 11:27.18 | osfd | please |
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| 11:28.36 | babilen | osfd: I guess you want #bash rather than #debian -- I also wouldn't recommend to "parse" the output of ls, but use sensible tools such as find |
| 11:28.49 | osfd | :( ok |
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| 11:29.17 | babilen | osfd: See also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs for example |
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| 11:29.44 | osfd | babilen: thank you :) |
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| 11:40.13 | peque | Hi there :-) |
| 11:40.29 | peque | Which package will provide the command "deb" in Debian 7? |
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| 11:43.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell peque -about apt-file |
| 11:43.33 | babilen | peque: But I am not aware of that command and can't quite find a single package that ships a binary of that name. |
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| 11:45.11 | peque | babilen: ok, thank you :-) |
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| 11:54.33 | Ephexeve_laptop | hey guys, question, I did a apt-get install vim, and then I removed vimrc in /etc/vim/vimrc then I reinstalled vim, but it's not adding the vimrc in /etc/vim/vimrc anymore |
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| 11:54.41 | Ephexeve_laptop | how can I completly resintall replacing any file? |
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| 12:03.32 | _WolfeZ_ | How can i add applets to the panel? |
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| 12:04.46 | ChrisH | Ephexeve_laptop: check /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 12:15.17 | A_I_ | hi |
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| 12:15.39 | A_I_ | using dh_link is it possible to make symlinks like ../../blabla/blibli ? |
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| 12:15.53 | A_I_ | or can dh_link only use abspath ? |
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| 12:23.02 | snoopybbt | hi! |
| 12:23.06 | snoopybbt | something strange happened |
| 12:23.12 | snoopybbt | i was using my debian 7 laptop |
| 12:23.21 | snoopybbt | then all of a sudden it became extremely slow |
| 12:23.32 | snoopybbt | and now the hostname is changed to new-host-2 |
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| 12:23.53 | snoopybbt | what happened ?? |
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| 12:28.39 | ChrisH | snoopybbt: check logs like messages and /var/log/apt/history.log* , atop, ip adresses, did your DHCP Server do strange things? |
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| 12:41.33 | tgs3 | on pure xserver with no mangager or openbox |
| 12:41.37 | tgs3 | how would you lock screen? |
| 12:41.45 | error3 | xlock? |
| 12:41.51 | tgs3 | it's a server, so no screensaver's crap (security/perfomrance) |
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| 12:43.10 | error3 | tgs3: then why do you put xserver on it? |
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| 12:43.29 | tgs3 | temporarly it's needed untill all can work fully headless |
| 12:43.44 | error3 | so why are you worried about xlock? |
| 12:44.02 | ChrisH | tgs3: why not simply run ssh -X to that box? |
| 12:44.22 | error3 | I meant xscreensaver sorry |
| 12:44.27 | tgs3 | ChrisH: no sshd, for security |
| 12:44.42 | ChrisH | tgs3: sorry for laughing no sshd but X running!?! |
| 12:44.51 | tgs3 | I think running open source X for basically only kvm application is more secure then risking ssh computer being compromised |
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| 12:45.22 | babilen | peque: What would that "deb" command do and why do you think that it exists in Debian? |
| 12:45.25 | tgs3 | server with sshd + client with X running to be compromised, versus server with NO SERVICES at all |
| 12:45.29 | tgs3 | doesn't 2 sounds better? |
| 12:45.56 | ChrisH | tgs3: is the physical security given? Can you control you can put his fingers on the box? |
| 12:46.02 | peque | babilen: I was wrong, it does not exist :-P (I'm a newbie in Debian) |
| 12:46.09 | tgs3 | ChrisH: yes, it's vlock -sa anyway |
| 12:46.21 | tgs3 | btw, it would be cool to have a sysrq that does vlock -sa |
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| 12:47.05 | ChrisH | tgs3: I was more pointing to: poweroff and put a bootable USB stick in to take over the box. |
| 12:47.40 | error3 | tgs3: you can put a global keyboard shortcut |
| 12:47.55 | error3 | like in inittab |
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| 12:48.09 | error3 | like the ctrlaltdel |
| 12:48.12 | error3 | it's not sysreq |
| 12:48.15 | error3 | but it's powerful :) |
| 12:48.30 | tgs3 | error3: it will work from any console including text console? keyname/url how t? |
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| 12:48.33 | tgs3 | how to |
| 12:48.49 | error3 | I think so |
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| 12:49.27 | error3 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=inittab+shortcut |
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| 12:49.50 | tgs3 | error3: thanks will llok into it. Wonder if it is secure, e.g. no X server or something could capture it |
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| 12:55.13 | MCMic | mumpitze1: Finally got through the update, rebooting soon. Thank you for your precious help |
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| 12:57.46 | babilen | peque: Oh, that's no problem. Any particular thing you wanted to do? I'd recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ to you (at least chapter 5 on apt tools) |
| 12:57.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a virtual package I can pass on to xapt/dpkg-cross to build a cross toolchain from source? |
| 12:59.40 | peque | babilen: thanks again! :-) |
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| 13:00.23 | babilen | peque: You are most welcome (to Debian as well) -- Just let us know if something is unclear or you need help with anything. |
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| 13:00.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see a bunch of duct-tapey answers if I google, but is there a cleaner way to just tell Debian to e.g., build a cross-{build-essential} from source? |
| 13:00.53 | peque | ^^ |
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| 13:06.19 | ChrisH | tgs3: did you test xscreensaver ? |
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| 13:06.56 | tgs3 | ChrisH: not yet |
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| 13:29.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you tell apt-get to 'download' for a specific arch? -a / --host-architecture doesn't do anything. |
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| 13:31.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | doesn't get this xapt / dpkg-cross business at all :/ |
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| 13:33.08 | ChrisH | Eduard_Munteanu: give an example |
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| 13:33.28 | Condenado | hello, is there a list of essential packages used in wheezy? (read: packages that cannot be removed through aptitude) |
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| 13:34.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | ChrisH: I want to build a cross-toolchain for armhf (the Raspbian one). Various howtos build it semi-manually, I was hoping there was a way to just tell xapt to install build-essential. |
| 13:34.27 | Condenado | as example, if one try to remove bash, aptitude automatically complains about it and ask you to type a whole sentence saying "it's not a good idea to remove this package" and more blablabla |
| 13:34.36 | mumpitze1 | you can remove any package. you will get serious warnings can can make your system unbootable and make it able to continue to run even, but you can remove everything |
| 13:34.57 | mumpitze1 | make it unable to continue to run rather |
| 13:35.43 | Condenado | yea exactly |
| 13:35.58 | mumpitze1 | Eduard_Munteanu: as xapt description shows, it's for libraries. not for toolchains |
| 13:36.00 | Condenado | how do i obtain a list of these packages (the ones that give such warning)? |
| 13:36.19 | paradigmarson | The Debian wiki recommends tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install for getting Gnome. Is that a good idea on an already installed system with Xfce? |
| 13:36.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, I see. |
| 13:36.22 | mumpitze1 | apt-cache show bash gives you Priority: required |
| 13:36.42 | mumpitze1 | so aptitude should have some filter where you can show only required packages |
| 13:37.01 | Condenado | hmmm thanks for the tip :) |
| 13:37.03 | mumpitze1 | paradigmarson: you can have all DEs installed if you want to |
| 13:37.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a reasonable way to tell apt-get or similar to build a cross build-essential? |
| 13:37.15 | error3 | aptitude search "~E" |
| 13:37.34 | error3 | for the list of essentials |
| 13:37.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gentoo has this thing they call "crossdev", I want to accomplish something similar in Debian. |
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| 13:37.57 | paradigmarson | mumixam, Yeah I know, it's just I'd normally use aptitude. |
| 13:38.27 | paradigmarson | Using tasksel feels clumsy and slightly unnerving. It's not even letting me cancel the operation. I was hoping to review the packages it want to install. |
| 13:38.38 | mumpitze1 | paradigmarson: which you can use just as well. tasksel --list gnome3 or whatever package. tasksel only installs a predefined list of packages with apt, nothing else |
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| 13:39.07 | paradigmarson | I think the difference is that it's not pulling in recommendations, though I'm not sure. |
| 13:39.20 | Condenado | error3, thank you :) |
| 13:39.27 | error3 | you're welcome |
| 13:40.20 | paradigmarson | I see. Perhaps aptitude would be better because it would bear in mind what I already have installed. Tasksel's started and doesn't want to stop now though. |
| 13:40.25 | Condenado | prepares to break my entire system |
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| 13:40.38 | mumpitze1 | Condenado: keep a debian live handy :P |
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| 13:41.01 | Condenado | ofc lol |
| 13:41.21 | paradigmarson | Thanks mumpitze1 |
| 13:41.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell Condenado -about standard |
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| 13:42.02 | babilen | Condenado: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:42.31 | Condenado | I'm just toying with the system, trying to make it as small as possible |
| 13:42.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, /me tries / looks at pdebuild-cross |
| 13:42.59 | babilen | Condenado: Well, remove all but essential packages. The system won't be of any use, but it will certainly be small |
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| 13:43.49 | mumpitze1 | babilen: is bash essential with ash being the shell for root? couldn't the user use ash too? or busybox? |
| 13:44.19 | babilen | or dash |
| 13:44.33 | mumpitze1 | anything but the big monster that is bash :) |
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| 13:44.40 | Condenado | yea i just checked, bash and dash are both essential |
| 13:44.46 | babilen | mumpitze1: Not sure what might rely on bash being available ... But what use would a system be without any software? |
| 13:45.18 | mumpitze1 | it already has a shell: dash. with your reasoning we would need to install all 4 DVDs just to have software :) |
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| 13:45.30 | mumpitze1 | he might want to put it on a embedded system or so |
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| 13:45.55 | babilen | mumpitze1: As I said: I am not sure what relies on bash being available. If you can remove it without causing problems then fair enough, but I wouldn't assume that |
| 13:46.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wish qemu, especially user emulation, wasn't so damn slow. :/ |
| 13:46.51 | babilen | mumpitze1: You would use emdebian for embedded systems -- And you typically want to still do some things with a computer. Small in itself is not a very sensible goal. "I want a system that can (only) do: 1. .. 2. .. 3. .." OTOH |
| 13:46.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder why though... perhaps the JIT isn't great. |
| 13:47.30 | mumpitze1 | babilen: small as in "I need to shave foo x kB so the damn thing fits into the flash" is a very good goal imho :) |
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| 13:47.50 | mumpitze1 | or "make debian as small as possible so I can cram more VMs onto that disk" is too |
| 13:48.26 | babilen | mumpitze1: That would be an actual goal -- but then the system should still be able to do *something* |
| 13:48.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | mumpitze1: you'd use KSM to deduplicate them, assuming you're running a bunch of VMs from the same install base :) |
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| 13:48.54 | babilen | mumpitze1: "As small as possible" is just not a sensible goal in itself. I mean you certainly want a system that you can log into or whatnot ... |
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| 13:49.39 | Condenado | well if it becomes in any way good enough for a wm8650 that would be neat |
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| 13:49.53 | babilen | mumpitze1: Which is exactly why I asked Condenado what (s)he wants to achieve |
| 13:49.58 | Condenado | but problem would be just the boot loader |
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| 13:50.18 | Condenado | for now im just toying with the system, i dont know much about linux really |
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| 13:50.35 | Condenado | so lets say that it is more for studying the system |
| 13:50.37 | babilen | Condenado: So, are you running out of disk space or anything? |
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| 13:50.56 | Condenado | nop, as i said, just studying the system. |
| 13:50.57 | babilen | Condenado: What do you have installed so far and what do you want to do with the system? |
| 13:51.26 | babilen | Condenado: I'd say: Start with a minimal system - I'd personally recommend to install packages in the standard task and take it from there. |
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| 13:51.48 | Condenado | be "runnable" on old systems like a pentium 133mhz or maybe a little more far: a wm8650 (arm system) |
| 13:51.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Argh, pdebuild-cross seems to download a toolchain. |
| 13:52.18 | rsmarples | hello. I'm trying to update a package. lintian spits out a valid error: init.d-script-missing-dependency-on-remote_fs. However, I wait that error silenced. How can I do this? |
| 13:52.19 | Condenado | all the rest would be just a selection of packages to run with it. |
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| 13:52.42 | rsmarples | s/wait/want |
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| 13:54.45 | Sweetshark | Hi, can anyone give me a hint on how long it takes for a new ssh key uploaded to the web interface to propagate through for alioth/git? |
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| 13:56.38 | babilen | Sweetshark: IIRC the keyrings are refreshed something like fortnightly -- You might want to ask in #debian-mentors or #debian-devel on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 13:58.47 | babilen | Sweetshark: Not sure about alioth, but #alioth (on oftc) should know that. I guess that they just use the keyring packages as well. |
| 13:59.22 | dizzylizzy | My nameserver listed in resolv.conf automatically resets at reboot to one provided by my ISP, but I want to manually set it and have that change persist. Where do I make that change? |
| 13:59.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Bah... it seems like apt-get doesn't let me configure target arch, though host is configurable |
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| 14:01.01 | Sweetshark | babilen: Thanks for the info. All thats not "a few seconds/minutes" lets me wait patiently some more ;) ... |
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| 14:02.24 | bitgeek | anyone know of a project/package that makes it easy to backup onto AMS S3? Maybe a GUI that allows you to select files then upload/sync to AWS cloud? |
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| 14:02.59 | babilen | Sweetshark: And I completely misread your question and somehow, for some stupid reason assumed "gpg keys". That didn't make sense so I was just about to ask what gpg keys have to do with git.d.o -- I now see that you asked about SSH keys from the beginning and realise the error of my ways. |
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| 14:04.06 | babilen | Sweetshark: Please ask in #alioth and #debian-devel as I don't know the actual answers. It is much faster than fortnightly though. |
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| 14:07.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a trimmed down version of build-essential, that includes just the basic toolchain? |
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| 14:07.43 | val_erie | pastein? |
| 14:08.26 | val_erie | can someone remind me the site for pasting messages? |
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| 14:08.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | val_erie: see /topic |
| 14:09.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | /msg dpkg paste |
| 14:09.04 | babilen | val_erie: http://paste.debian.net http://refheap.com http://paste.ubuntu.com are all reasonable choices |
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| 14:09.28 | val_erie | babilen, thanks |
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| 14:11.29 | Sweetshark | babilen: thanks again |
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| 14:12.39 | NotJimCarrey | just recently started having problems with my external hard drive |
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| 14:12.57 | NotJimCarrey | i'm getting this in syslog: |
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| 14:13.12 | NotJimCarrey | "mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 72 was not an MTP device" |
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| 14:13.38 | berndlauert | I believe I just found a bufferoverflow in the netcat version which is shipped with debian http://sprunge.us/WiDN should I report this? |
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| 14:15.02 | NotJimCarrey | only change since last know working is running mkudevrule.sh for beaglebone black, and connecting it |
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| 14:15.49 | NotJimCarrey | the script just adds a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ and runs udevadm control --reload-rules |
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| 14:20.25 | xiaorong | NotJimCarrey, have you installed debian on beaglebone black? |
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| 14:22.20 | xiaorong | I have a beaglebone black and I want to know whether can I access debian through usb cable if i installed debian on beaglebone. |
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| 14:24.44 | NotJimCarrey | xiaorong: no |
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| 14:25.20 | NotJimCarrey | xiaorong: i believe you can still ssh to it over usb |
| 14:25.47 | brontosaurusrex | any critics on my "divine touch" wallpaper wip? http://shrani.si/f/1p/3K/3euXzexe/2013-06-2513721700241280.png |
| 14:26.31 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: #debian-offtopic please (you should know) |
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| 14:27.00 | Asara | is there any way to see what options a package was compiled with without apt-get source? |
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| 14:27.35 | jordanm | Asara, only if the applications provides a way of showing that |
| 14:27.44 | jordanm | Asara, you might be able to guess based on ldd output |
| 14:27.47 | xiaorong | NotJimCarrey, Maybe need some extra work,but I'll try. |
| 14:28.21 | jordanm | Asara, in general, debian packages are compiled with all optional features |
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| 14:28.53 | p3rror | hello |
| 14:29.09 | p3rror | Can I activate both suphp and mod_php on debian |
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| 14:30.05 | jordanm | p3rror, possibly, but probably not for the same vhost |
| 14:30.35 | p3rror | jordanm, that's what I nedd |
| 14:30.37 | p3rror | jordanm, that's what I need |
| 14:31.00 | p3rror | jordanm, I need to activate suphp for a vhost and mod_php for tohers |
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| 14:40.21 | dizzylizzy | is anybody else getting 403 from wiki.debian.org? |
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| 14:41.24 | jordanm | dizzylizzy, no |
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| 14:42.17 | b0ss_ | hey, how does debian packages signature checking work ? I mean: I have a secret key in my distro to check their validity ?? |
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| 14:43.25 | jordanm | b0ss_, it's a gpg signature validated by the public gpg keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 14:43.37 | jordanm | only apt validates signatures, dpkg does not |
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| 14:44.06 | b0ss_ | jordanm: ok, so does APT possess a private key to validate ? |
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| 14:44.50 | jordanm | b0ss_, no, your apt does not contain any private keys, only public |
| 14:44.50 | error3_ | b0ss_: apt possess the public key to validate |
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| 14:45.09 | jordanm | the individual developers and ftpmasters have private keys |
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| 14:45.23 | b0ss_ | I read Debian uses assymetric key validation |
| 14:45.41 | mumpitze1 | !tell b0ss_ about secure apt |
| 14:45.46 | b0ss_ | so where is the private key ? |
| 14:45.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok, I got myself {gcc,binutils,libc6}-cross-armhf using xapt, but doing the same for xbmc fails. |
| 14:46.00 | mumpitze1 | on the debian servers of course |
| 14:46.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | b0ss_: apt-key -l |
| 14:46.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Err. |
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| 14:46.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | b0ss_: apt-key list |
| 14:46.29 | mumpitze1 | same way if you generate a gpg key for your email. YOU have the secret key, and you hand out the public one. same what debian does |
| 14:46.39 | jordanm | b0ss_, http://gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x135.html |
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| 14:48.28 | b0ss_ | mumpitzel: so my system owns a secret private key located somewhere in order to work with GPG ? |
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| 14:48.52 | diamonds | my networking is disabled on debian guest |
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| 14:49.58 | diamonds | trying to reload |
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| 14:50.06 | diamonds | I keep getting this message: [warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning). |
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| 14:50.36 | jordanm | diamonds, use ifdown and ifup |
| 14:50.40 | diamonds | rebooting debian guest for now, but wondering where else I should look for a solution to my network issue |
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| 14:50.43 | diamonds | jordanm» thank you |
| 14:50.47 | diamonds | interface down & up? |
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| 14:51.00 | jordanm | diamonds, ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 14:51.16 | diamonds | jordanm» thanks. They should put that in the warning message! :) |
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| 14:51.36 | diamonds | I know the `service asdf restart` tells you to use init.d on some distros |
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| 14:52.04 | b0ss_ | hey how to allow unauthenticated packages to be installed ? |
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| 14:56.29 | dizzylizzy | oh good, I asked dpkg and found my answer. Thanks, whoever contributed the "override dns" entry to the bot! |
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| 15:00.27 | jordanm | b0ss_, GET { AllowUnauthenticated "false"; } # apt.conf |
| 15:00.32 | jordanm | well, "true" |
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| 15:08.52 | Scall | If I have a repository with "Pin-Priority: 502" and onother one with "Pin-Priority 503", when a new package present in both repositories is available APT will install the one of the repository with priority 503, right? |
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| 15:13.05 | wooy | Hi, is there recommended way to make some commands (ifconfig) available for non-root users? Or should I run services depending on the tools as root? |
| 15:13.07 | Iridos | the way you ask, it seems the answer *you* get to that is "no" |
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| 15:14.11 | jordanm | wooy, you want non-root to be able to configure IPs or just view them? |
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| 15:15.02 | wooy | jordanm: tahoe-lafs requires access to ifconfig, I believe it would be ok with read-only |
| 15:15.30 | jordanm | wooy, non-root has access to that, it's just not in a user's PATH by default |
| 15:15.40 | jordanm | ifconfig is deprecated though, use ip addr |
| 15:15.48 | Iridos | nooooooooo |
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| 15:16.06 | wooy | I will let tahoe-lafs devs know. So I just edit path var? |
| 15:16.09 | haylo | ifconfig will be around for a while |
| 15:16.36 | Iridos | right. ip addr sounds kinda horrible after decades of ifconfig |
| 15:16.36 | haylo | it is part of busybox as well. so there are likely 2 ifconfigs acvailable at any time. |
| 15:17.06 | haylo | Iridos: in fact a user space busybox may be what you want |
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| 15:17.37 | Iridos | haylo, wooy, not me :) |
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| 15:17.59 | jordanm | especially in debian, where ifupdown still uses ifconfig |
| 15:18.09 | jordanm | Iridos, doesn't sound dumb to cisco admins :) |
| 15:18.25 | Iridos | pfft cisco |
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| 15:19.02 | Iridos | weren't those the routers whose happy users you could kick out of irc with some malformed line or other... and that should impress me much? |
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| 15:20.33 | kaje | My /boot partition filled up and now apt is choking. I've cleared some space, but I'm getting this error when I try to install anything: http://pastebin.com/bGtWrA1F |
| 15:20.35 | kaje | What should I do to fix this problem? |
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| 15:21.44 | jordanm | kaje, that doesn't look like debian kernels |
| 15:22.02 | haylo | kaje: make a larger one, copy the data over, and then add it to /etc/fstab |
| 15:22.04 | Iridos | and linux-server doesn't look like a debian package |
| 15:23.20 | jordanm | haylo, that's not going to "just work" with /boot, and that's not his current problem |
| 15:23.28 | kaje | I've made room on /boot by deleting old kernels. However, I can't figure out how to make apt deal with this dependency problem. |
| 15:23.43 | kaje | Yeah, this is a ubuntu box, but I was hoping you guys might be able to help =). |
| 15:23.46 | jordanm | kaje, you should seek support for the OS you are using, which does not appear to be debian |
| 15:23.46 | haylo | wtf are you talking about |
| 15:23.52 | haylo | ofc it just works. |
| 15:23.52 | jordanm | !tell kaje about ubuntu |
| 15:24.56 | haylo | thats how you handle a partition that is filled up, you falsely assume that /noot has some special properties that cp is uncapable of copying |
| 15:24.57 | jordanm | haylo, no, changing /boot requires at the least, an update-grub |
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| 15:25.18 | jordanm | haylo, you assume that grub.cfg will magically point to the new /boot |
| 15:25.45 | haylo | there is nothing wrong with update-grub being the next step after copying the data |
| 15:26.10 | Iridos | /boot also usually has the "special property" of not being 2TB big... solving some potential addressing pitfalls even when you do that |
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| 15:26.50 | haylo | i copy /boot partitions around all day. its not undoable. |
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| 15:29.51 | haylo | but yes kaje you are clearly either not using debian, or have added some ubuntu sources. the install should be considered basicallu ruined |
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| 15:30.51 | haylo | start over, and only use debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list. most of the guides that say you must do otherwise are written by people who are uninformed |
| 15:31.06 | jordanm | haylo, he already said he wasn't running debian |
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| 15:31.19 | haylo | jordanm: is there a problem ? |
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| 15:55.06 | val_erie | Where in Debian would I find postgresql conf file pg_hba.conf ? |
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| 15:57.08 | ChrisH | apt-file search pg_hba.conf |
| 15:57.08 | ChrisH | postgresql-9.1: /usr/share/postgresql/9.1/pg_hba.conf.sample |
| 15:57.10 | error3_ | val_heri /etc/postgresql/9.1/main |
| 15:57.20 | ChrisH | val_erie: does this answer your question? |
| 15:57.24 | salty007 | ehlo |
| 15:57.27 | salty007 | ;;P |
| 15:57.35 | val_erie | error3_, thanks, found it |
| 15:57.37 | error3_ | ChrisH: does apt-file search over conffiles? |
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| 15:58.00 | error3_ | maybe not if the conf file is generated during package installation |
| 15:58.03 | salty007 | any1 familiar with debian repositories, reprepro etc? |
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| 15:58.19 | ChrisH | error3_: it at least shows you the samples :) |
| 15:58.35 | error3_ | correct yeah :) |
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| 15:59.38 | olivier_bK | hi |
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| 16:00.20 | salty007 | i'm building own saltstack .deb packages for squeeze and wheezy and triying to add them to my private debian repository |
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| 16:00.37 | nkuttler | salty007: ask your real question |
| 16:02.19 | salty007 | why can't I add salt-common_0.15.0-1_all.deb (et al) for wheezy into my repository if squeeze package is already added there previously? |
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| 16:03.07 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I installed Debian 7, but I am thinking to go for debian testing, I should just change the source.list and add testing instead? Also, can I go back to stable in case? |
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| 16:04.10 | salty007 | the problem seems to be that they are same version but mdsums are different, so previously added files are not upgraded and also not replaced, which is good, since i'd like to have salt 0.15 for both wheezy and squeeze in my repo |
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| 16:05.01 | salty007 | how can i have separate salt_015 packages for squeeze and wheezy in my debian repo? |
| 16:05.48 | salty007 | too obscure? confusing? |
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| 16:09.08 | Ephexeve | I am using prelink on Debian, this is my conf file -> http://bpaste.net/show/rtQ7NpVYEUe53t0Sxivv/ anyone has an idea what's happening here? |
| 16:09.09 | salty007 | take program_v0.1_sourcecode and make a .deb of it under squeeze and also under wheezy. you get a .deb file in both with identical names but different file sizes. now try to add these .debs to your debian squeeze-wheezy repository with reprepro. first goes up there fine, but on the second one (since it is same name+version) won't go. |
| 16:09.11 | Ephexeve | Why am I getting a failure? |
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| 16:09.42 | nkuttler | salty007: modify the version string |
| 16:10.24 | salty007 | in source, before making package? |
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| 16:14.08 | salty007 | how does this work in official repos? how can there be same version of firefox in same repo for wheezy and for squeeze? they'd have the same version and name: firefox_900.0_x86.deb, but 2 identical versions (different builds tho) cant be in the same pool... |
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| 16:15.05 | nkuttler | salty007: if it's the same version you only need one package, don't you? |
| 16:15.06 | JoeHazzers | if i preseed an install just enough to get the network console up, why will the install carried out remotely skip the tasksel prompt? |
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| 16:15.22 | nkuttler | salty007: oh, never mind.. |
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| 16:15.27 | babilen_ | salty007: Firefox is not in Debian at all |
| 16:15.29 | Ephexeve | Anyone? |
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| 16:15.39 | nkuttler | ,v iceweasel |
| 16:15.40 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.6esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.6esr-1; experimental: 21.0-1 |
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| 16:15.52 | salty007 | firefox was for example.. |
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| 16:16.36 | babilen_ | Ephexeve: You cannot downgrade and I would recommend to take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of tips apply to testing just as well. I'd recommend a testing unstable mix at the moment as that allows you to pull packages from unstable if needed (see "/msg dpkg tum" for details) |
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| 16:16.38 | nkuttler | salty007: anyway, this doesn't seem relevant to your initial question, but feel free to read the debian policy, or /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 16:16.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | Huh? -a for apt-get seems broken... apt-get source --compile -aarmhf xbmc results in Build command 'cd xbmc-11.0~git20120510.82388d5 && dpkg-buildpackage -a armhf -b -uc' failed. |
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| 16:17.14 | Ephexeve | babilen_: Cool, thanks! |
| 16:17.19 | babilen_ | Ephexeve: And yes: Please think twice if you *really* want to run testing (it doesn't get security support for example) and if you are ready to deal with its idiosyncrasies (long transitions, package removals, ...) |
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| 16:17.36 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: that's not an apt-get problem |
| 16:17.37 | Ephexeve | babilen: Yeah.. thanks! |
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| 16:17.45 | Ephexeve | btw, do you use prelink? |
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| 16:18.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: hm, perhaps not |
| 16:18.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any quick fixes? |
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| 16:18.15 | salty007 | so there can't be iceweasel 3.5.16-20 for squeeze and wheezy at the same time in same repo? |
| 16:18.17 | Ephexeve | or anyone by any chance? |
| 16:18.17 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: fix the build script? |
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| 16:18.27 | babilen | Ephexeve: You can, for example, install packages from backports (cf <backports>) or backport them yourself (cf. <ssb>) -- Also note that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and not here in #debian |
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| 16:18.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh. |
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| 16:18.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks, I will. |
| 16:18.59 | Ephexeve | babilen: Yeah, I heard about backports, will give a check |
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| 16:19.22 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: btw, why are you trying to build it? it's already packaged |
| 16:19.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ephexeve about backports |
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| 16:20.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: it's only packaged by somebody else, outside the Raspbian repo. This is for Raspberry Pis. |
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| 16:20.14 | salty007 | what if i take iceweasel's latest source from github, build .debs from it under squeeze and wheezy (which would give same version of Iceweasel but different size files) and add the to same repo? |
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| 16:20.17 | nkuttler | !tell Eduard_Munteanu about raspbian |
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| 16:20.20 | babilen | Ephexeve: It really depends on what you want, your knowledge and experience and what you are willing to invest. I can't tell your that, but you have to decide for yourself. |
| 16:20.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Besides, I was wondering how to cross-compile stuff. |
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| 16:20.55 | salty007 | them* |
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| 16:21.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: yeah, I know that (re dpkg message) |
| 16:21.12 | nkuttler | salty007: did you read the policy on versioning yet? |
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| 16:22.16 | salty007 | ehmm... did u post me a link? |
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| 16:22.32 | babilen | dpkg: u |
| 16:22.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:22.39 | salty007 | (i'm using webclient) :P |
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| 16:25.23 | salty007 | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html ? |
| 16:26.57 | nkuttler | salty007: fwiw, i just checked a package and the same deb is used. i guess that makes sense as the linked stuff is in the same location, no matter which release |
| 16:27.29 | nkuttler | salty007: if the dependencies changed you'd have to change the package's version anyway, so.. |
| 16:28.17 | salty007 | so there is no need to rebuild the package for every debian release? |
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| 16:28.41 | nkuttler | salty007: um, not necessarily.. |
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| 16:28.57 | salty007 | i have like 6 chroots set up to build for debians 5, 6,7 and ubuntu 1004 and 1204... |
| 16:29.08 | JordiGH | How can I know what my computer is doing when I press the volume up media key? I'm in Gnome classic with compiz. |
| 16:29.13 | nkuttler | salty007: yeah, but the salt deps certainly change over time |
| 16:29.21 | JordiGH | I ask, because it's doing the "wrong" thing (messing with my mixer settings instead of just changing the master volume) |
| 16:29.34 | nkuttler | salty007: i looked into wmbiff and that depends on ancient libs that haven't changed in a looong time |
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| 16:30.00 | salty007 | but the .debs created are not identical... |
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| 16:30.23 | nkuttler | salty007: of course |
| 16:30.38 | nkuttler | wait, for building salt? first, different compilers |
| 16:30.55 | nkuttler | salty007: and like i said, you have completely different deps |
| 16:31.15 | nkuttler | salty007: your chroots probably all have a different 0mq for starters |
| 16:31.49 | salty007 | hmmm... probably yeah |
| 16:32.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | I don't get this... 'apt-get build-dep -aarmhf xbmc' complains that 'Build-Depends dependency for xbmc cannot be satisfied because the package python-support cannot be found', but... |
| 16:32.21 | nkuttler | salty007: so, anyway, did you have a support question? |
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| 16:32.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | 'apt-get install -aarmhf python-support' says it's already installed. |
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| 16:34.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, perhaps I need to convert it with dpkg-cross / xapt. |
| 16:35.01 | salty007 | is it safe to use packages built in one release of debian in another version of debian? is rebuilding packages for different debian releases necessary? |
| 16:35.35 | JordiGH | salty007: If the package is done properly, it should know in its metadata for which Debian release it can run on. |
| 16:35.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | salty007: usually it is necessary, because of e.g. .so versions changing. |
| 16:35.51 | JordiGH | salty007: If you just got the Debian package from Random Idiot, then it might have the wrong metadata. |
| 16:35.57 | nkuttler | salty007: for salt yes |
| 16:37.34 | salty007 | i'm a dummie, so... just to be sure: It is recommended or even required to build salt packages separately for every debian release? |
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| 16:38.22 | jelly-home | ,i salt |
| 16:38.24 | judd | No package named 'salt' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 16:38.28 | salty007 | Jordi, does a package know the release it was made for? |
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| 16:39.14 | nkuttler | salty007: do you support more releases than listed here: http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/installation/debian.html ? |
| 16:39.33 | jelly-home | salty007: a package has dependencies on other packages (and possibly their versions), but not explicitely on the distro release |
| 16:39.39 | jelly-home | judd: depends salt-minion |
| 16:39.40 | judd | No package named 'salt-minion' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 16:39.52 | jelly-home | judd: depends salt-minion --release sid |
| 16:39.53 | judd | Package salt-minion in sid/i386 -- depends: sysv-rc (>= 2.88dsf-24), python, python-pkg-resources, dctrl-tools, salt-common (= 0.15.1-1). |
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| 16:40.12 | salty007 | because there are no packages, i make my own. |
| 16:40.17 | jelly-home | judd: depends salt-common --release sid |
| 16:40.18 | judd | Package salt-common in sid/i386 -- depends: python (>= 2.7), python (<< 2.8), msgpack-python, python-crypto, python-jinja2, python-m2crypto, python-yaml, python-zmq (>= 2.1.9). |
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| 16:40.47 | jelly-home | salty007: is that the salt you're talking about? |
| 16:40.58 | jelly-home | ,i salt-common --release sid |
| 16:41.00 | judd | Package salt-common (admin, optional) in sid/i386: shared libraries that salt requires for all packages. Version: 0.15.1-1; Size: 842.7k; Installed: 2940k; Homepage: http://saltstack.org/ |
| 16:41.27 | salty007 | yep, saltstack... |
| 16:41.56 | jelly-home | apparently it's available in testing and unstable branches, but not in the current release |
| 16:42.29 | salty007 | yep, but it's no problem do git clone the source to my install of squeeze, wheezy and others and build the .debs |
| 16:42.36 | jelly-home | salty007: if you wish to use debian's packaging instead of upstream, you can try building that. read /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:43.10 | jelly-home | I have no idea which one works better or how well it's packaged in any case. |
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| 16:44.18 | salty007 | but packages i built can't be enterd into my local debian repository (with reprepro) because for sqeeze and wheezy both packages have same version ( salt-common_0.15.0-1_all.deb etc) |
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| 16:44.58 | nkuttler | salty007: i think i told you an hour ago to change the version string |
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| 16:45.40 | Semen_Dickman | is this teen sex chat? |
| 16:45.47 | nkuttler | !ops ^^ |
| 16:45.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: ^^ |
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| 16:45.48 | Semen_Dickman | im 13 years old can i sex chat? |
| 16:45.58 | salty007 | so the version string is manually changed every time the latest iceweasel is built for squeeze and wheezy? |
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| 16:46.09 | babilen | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 16:46.41 | jelly-home | salty007: mozilla.debian.net people probably automate that change in some way |
| 16:47.08 | jelly-home | but basically yes, a backport would be changed to have a slightly lower version number |
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| 16:48.22 | salty007 | yep, in debian policy there is talk about upstream_version and debian_revision... scary. |
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| 16:48.36 | DexterF | hi. I have a list of partitions with start/end sectors, which program lets me directly pass those as part creation parameters? |
| 16:49.00 | DexterF | i tried parted, won't work. claims knows "s", then says invalid token |
| 16:49.05 | jelly-home | you'd mess with just the debian revision bit so, 0.15.0-0~deb60.1 instead of 0.15.0-1, or similar |
| 16:49.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Err, is there no way to tell apt-get to ignore dependencies? |
| 16:49.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Unmet dependencies, that is. |
| 16:50.00 | salty007 | eww... that'd have to happen in source, before build, every time.... :( |
| 16:50.35 | DexterF | Eduard_Munteanu: should have a force switch |
| 16:50.35 | DexterF | I would not do that, tho |
| 16:50.35 | salty007 | --nodeps |
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| 16:51.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | salty007: that doesn't seem to work for apt-get build-dep -aarmhf --nodeps xbmc |
| 16:51.53 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: no, apt-get really wants its state to be clean |
| 16:52.12 | jeanbrat | hi |
| 16:52.26 | jeanbrat | i have Debian 7.1 |
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| 16:52.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | apt-get build-dep bugs me about python-support, but it is installed. |
| 16:53.00 | jeanbrat | TPB magnet link in firefox doesnt directly open in Transmission.. is there any way to link it? |
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| 16:53.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any other way to obtain build dependencies? |
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| 16:54.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I could simply install the list dpkg-buildpackage gives me. |
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| 16:56.48 | jeanbrat | ok to rephrase my question..if any application asks to open it with something? like u browse for Programfiles in windows and select the application u want to open it with,, how do i select the application in debian? |
| 16:57.11 | jeanbrat | where does the Executable is present? |
| 16:57.52 | mtn | jeanbrat: most file managers will do that with a right click on the executable file |
| 16:57.56 | boudiccas | i've lost my command prompt in tmux, how do i get it back please? |
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| 16:58.49 | salty007 | jean: isn't that in Firefox-Options-Applications? |
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| 16:59.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, all those deps are already installed, not sure why dpkg-buildpackage complains. |
| 16:59.28 | jeanbrat | ok i am trying to open a maganet link. and it opens a launch application windows and shows my home directory |
| 16:59.36 | jeanbrat | instead of listing the installed applications |
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| 16:59.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'll tell dpkg to ignore missing deps. |
| 16:59.52 | jelly-home | boudiccas: open a new tab? |
| 17:00.06 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, anyone using Jessie? can anyone correct to see if this is correct? http://codepad.org/Uq1bjwo4 I am doing the upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie now |
| 17:00.09 | boudiccas | doesnt work, its still lost |
| 17:00.22 | Ephexeve | the first one if the one I have on my source.lst, and the second one if the one I will replace |
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| 17:00.45 | salty007 | find where your transmission is - go to command line and do which transmission |
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| 17:01.37 | boudiccas | jelly-home, its not accepting anything at its non-existant prompt |
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| 17:01.45 | salty007 | i think the client's executable's name is 'transmission'? |
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| 17:01.56 | mtn | Ephexeve: there are no jessie updates and don't use "testing" in your source.list |
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| 17:02.41 | jeanbrat | salty007, it doesn help mate.. it displays nothing |
| 17:02.54 | Ephexeve | mtn: How then? |
| 17:03.02 | Ephexeve | in the wiki it says to replace wheezy to jessie |
| 17:03.02 | jeanbrat | however i can open transmission from gnome 3 application window |
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| 17:03.14 | mtn | Ephexeve: at least know what happens if you do use testing in there :) |
| 17:03.17 | salty007 | did u do ' which transmission ' |
| 17:03.25 | jeanbrat | yes |
| 17:03.33 | jelly-home | boudiccas: does it open a new tab and stay there, or does it not even open it? |
| 17:03.47 | mtn | Ephexeve: you only need the first section, there are no update sections |
| 17:03.48 | salty007 | can u right click on transmission launcher and see it's properties? |
| 17:04.00 | boudiccas | jelly-home, doesnt open it, doesnt allow you to use any key combos |
| 17:04.40 | Ephexeve | mtn: Hmm, I am a bit lost now |
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| 17:04.55 | Ephexeve | I thought I had to change the source.list for testing instead of wheezy |
| 17:05.20 | jeanbrat | salty007, ironically gnome3 launch window gives only 2 options 1 ) new window and add to favorites |
| 17:05.38 | mtn | Ephexeve: sorry. jessie is the name of testing. if you want it to always stay with testing, that will be fine. if you want to stay with jessie, then use that. |
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| 17:06.00 | Ephexeve | mtn: well, isn't jessie just a code name for testing?! |
| 17:06.13 | jelly-home | boudiccas: so you've got a stuck terminal, maybe it's not tmux at all. Have you tried ^Q ? |
| 17:06.20 | Ephexeve | mtn: well, currently I have wheezy installed |
| 17:06.24 | mtn | Ephexeve: when jessie goes stable you would then have stable if you use "jessie" |
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| 17:06.35 | Ephexeve | aaah I see |
| 17:06.37 | boudiccas | jelly-home, nope, will do |
| 17:06.38 | Ephexeve | because check this |
| 17:06.41 | mtn | Ephexeve: if you use "testing" it will never go stable |
| 17:07.08 | Ephexeve | mtn: Indeed, this is what I have on my source list -> http://codepad.org/ycxAnYOb |
| 17:07.43 | salty007 | i think it might be /usr/bin/transmission-gtk |
| 17:07.47 | Ephexeve | but when I do a apt-get update I get this -> http://codepad.org/uIAlKpeJ |
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| 17:08.14 | mtn | Ephexeve: the first and last lines duplicate and there are NO update sections |
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| 17:08.49 | Ephexeve | mtn: so deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main can be deleted? |
| 17:08.53 | boudiccas | jelly-home, nope, doesnt work , no change |
| 17:09.02 | Ephexeve | or deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main ? |
| 17:09.04 | mtn | Ephexeve: can and must! |
| 17:09.04 | salty007 | so when it prompts for transmission, navigate there and poit to it |
| 17:09.13 | Ephexeve | but which one of them? |
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| 17:09.21 | Ephexeve | ah both |
| 17:09.31 | mtn | Ephexeve: yes, again. NO NO update sections. none. noway. |
| 17:09.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Damn, the Debian cross-building stuff is a bit intimidating. |
| 17:10.01 | jeanbrat | salty007, from fire fox when i click on the link it opens a window for launch application |
| 17:10.11 | jelly-home | boudiccas: oh well, start a new terminal and try to detach that session and reattach it in the new terminal |
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| 17:10.28 | salty007 | then navigate to /usr/bin from that window |
| 17:10.35 | jeanbrat | i dont know where it is cause it shows my home directory.. |
| 17:10.49 | salty007 | upp two times |
| 17:10.57 | jelly-home | boudiccas: I haven't used tmux but I guess it has all the basic functionality from screen |
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| 17:11.20 | boudiccas | jelly-home, i've tried that, and it doesnt matter which variety of terminal i open, there is no prompt from tmux, it doesnt accept any keypresses |
| 17:11.20 | salty007 | then to /usr then to /bin and clik on transmission-gtk then ok |
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| 17:11.53 | Ephexeve | mtn: Cool! This is what I have now -> http://codepad.org/p5pXbDYq |
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| 17:13.41 | jelly-home | boudiccas: no ideas then |
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| 17:14.10 | jeanbrat | salty007, Excellent.. Thanks a lot .. it worked |
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| 17:15.34 | boudiccas | jelly-home, i've removed it, purged, now i'll reboot and then install it again and see iuf i can get it back |
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| 17:24.38 | boudiccas | jelly-home, that sorted it out, the prompt is back! :) |
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| 17:25.48 | jelly-home | boudiccas: next time when a process is stuck, try just killing it. Rebooting, or purging and reinstalling, shouldn't really be done without a real reason. |
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| 17:26.26 | boudiccas | jelly-home, i hads pkill'd it many times |
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| 17:27.25 | boudiccas | jelly-home, wheni pkill'd it, it went back to the urxvt prompt, showing that tmux was dead. i had no alternative but to try removing and reinstalling |
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| 17:28.15 | jelly-home | did you verify all of its processes were dead at that point? |
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| 17:28.32 | jelly-home | I'd have just started it again |
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| 17:33.05 | lulz0r | How can i monitor/show the current clock speed of an i5/i7 processor? |
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| 17:34.14 | jordanm | lulz0r, cpufreq-info |
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| 17:36.51 | lulz0r | jordanm: command/package not found, how do I get that?^^ |
| 17:37.06 | jordanm | ,file bin/cpufreq-info |
| 17:37.11 | judd | Search for bin/cpufreq-info in wheezy/i386: cpufrequtils: usr/bin/cpufreq-info |
| 17:38.15 | ksuhku | lulz0r, just cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:38.32 | ksuhku | or rather grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:39.34 | jordanm | ksuhku, if the clock rate is slowed down that won't report the current clock speed |
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| 17:39.42 | jordanm | which I think is what lulz0r wanted |
| 17:39.47 | ksuhku | jordanm, sure does report for me |
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| 17:40.17 | jordanm | ksuhku, ah, you are right, it does report it properly for me as well |
| 17:40.24 | lulz0r | ksuhku doesn't seem to work, it shows 3491 for all cores but the server is basically idle so it should be something around 1.6gh |
| 17:40.55 | ksuhku | lulz0r, are you using ondemand? |
| 17:41.01 | boudiccas | jelly-home, yes, i'd even tried 'tmux attach' just in case it had got disattached , but there wasnt any |
| 17:41.13 | ksuhku | jordanm, I found the behavior somewhat surprising too |
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| 17:41.18 | lulz0r | ksuhku: I'm not sure what you're asking^^ |
| 17:41.46 | ksuhku | lulz0r, basically are you sure you get lower clocks at idle automatically? |
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| 17:41.54 | jelly-home | boudiccas: it's going to take 10 years for that thing to become as stable as screen is |
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| 17:42.47 | lulz0r | ksuhku: That's how it works, isn't it? on my windows machine it does, that is. If I have to configure something to make it work I'm happy to do that^^ |
| 17:43.03 | boudiccas | jelly-home, i like it, this is the first problem i've had with it |
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| 17:44.42 | ksuhku | lulz0r, what do you get with cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 17:45.12 | ksuhku | perhaps repeat for all cpus |
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| 17:47.00 | lulz0r | ksuhku, nothing, the folder cpufreq doesn't exist |
| 17:47.33 | ksuhku | lulz0r, that sounds strange to me, dunno what to make of it... |
| 17:48.23 | lulz0r | ksuhku, cpu0 has cache, cpuidle, crash_notes, thermal_throttle, topology |
| 17:48.34 | jelly-home | lulz0r: frequency scaling support isn't loaded at all, then |
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| 17:48.48 | lulz0r | jelly-home: How do I load it? |
| 17:48.54 | jelly-home | lulz0r: which cpu is this? |
| 17:49.05 | lulz0r | jelly-home: i7 3770k |
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| 17:49.22 | jelly-home | lulz0r: oh, a consumer cpu, that's good |
| 17:49.37 | lulz0r | ^^ |
| 17:49.41 | jelly-home | lulz0r: modprobe acpi-cpufreq, see what happens |
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| 17:50.08 | lulz0r | folder magically appears |
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| 17:50.11 | jelly-home | lulz0r: a server board and cpu might have had freq. scaling disabled or managed by bios |
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| 17:50.40 | lulz0r | jelly-home Wow nice, /proc/cpuinfo now gives me 1.6GH |
| 17:50.44 | lulz0r | Thanks a lot :) |
| 17:50.50 | ksuhku | :) |
| 17:50.57 | jelly-home | lulz0r: add it to /etc/modules |
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| 17:51.04 | ksuhku | shaved the planet dude, and your electricity bill |
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| 17:52.59 | lulz0r | Now I only need to figure out how to read the temps :D |
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| 17:53.51 | ksuhku | lulz0r, lm-sensors package will come handy |
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| 17:54.57 | jelly-home | lulz0r: modprobe coretemp will give you intel cpu sensors. For the board sensors, run sensors-detect from the package ksuhku mentioned |
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| 17:56.32 | jelly-home | grep . /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.*/temp* |
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| 17:56.54 | lulz0r | yeah I already tried lm-sensors a while ago, but it only shows 27.9°C and 29.8°C every time I run it, and I don't think that's correct since it never changes. I already ran sensors-detect several times^^ |
| 17:57.00 | jelly-home | temp2_input:31000 # seems to be 31°C |
| 17:57.17 | lulz0r | modprobe coretemp gives FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (.........): No such device |
| 17:57.25 | jelly-home | hm |
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| 17:58.06 | lulz0r | Exakt error: FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device |
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| 17:59.24 | jelly-home | lulz0r: you will probably need a newer kernel. |
| 17:59.36 | jelly-home | lulz0r: which debian release is this supposed to be? |
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| 17:59.49 | ksuhku | smells like squeeze based on the kernel version |
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| 18:01.40 | lulz0r | jelly-home: I installed from the net install version a few weeks ago, should be fairly new. How do I check the version? |
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| 18:02.45 | jelly-home | lulz0r: lsb_release -sc |
| 18:03.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | About 'apt-get -aarmhf' calling 'dpkg-buildpackage -a armhf' erroneously (should be -aarmhf), it doesn't seem xbmc's source package's fault. |
| 18:03.07 | lulz0r | squeeze |
| 18:03.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can't find anything like that in debian/. |
| 18:03.33 | jelly-home | lulz0r: ah. You installed old Debian 6.0 somehow. |
| 18:03.44 | lulz0r | :( |
| 18:04.03 | lulz0r | sooo |
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| 18:05.26 | lulz0r | jelly-home: Can I update without reinstalling? So that all configurations etc. remain the same and I don't have to reinstall the whole apache2/ftp mess? |
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| 18:05.50 | jelly-home | lulz0r: yes, but things may break. |
| 18:05.59 | jelly-home | lulz0r: read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:06.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, it is a bug indeed... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699075 |
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| 18:10.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a quick way to get that fixed apt from 'experimental' without messing with source lists and pinning? |
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| 18:10.48 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: if you're running unstable, you just add experimental to our sources.list. No pinning is necessary |
| 18:11.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro: nah, wheezy |
| 18:11.47 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: if you're running wheezy, in general, experimental will not work. |
| 18:13.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see. I'll try dpkg-buildpackage then. |
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| 18:14.27 | jelly-home | lulz0r: if you have work to do, you can try installing a newer kernel from squeeze-backports instead, and delay the release upgrade for a better time |
| 18:14.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lulz0r about bdo kernel |
| 18:14.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Somebody should write a quick guide for this. (Maybe I will... ;)) |
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| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: for backporting? We usually just slap the user with /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:15.33 | jelly-home | plugging a newer apt into stable might be a bit of a pain though |
| 18:15.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: no, for cross-building packages |
| 18:15.56 | jelly-home | oh yes. |
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| 18:16.48 | jelly-home | building on a 1-2GB single-quad core armhf isn't that fun |
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| 18:17.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah. |
| 18:17.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | And building through qemu user/system emulation is slow too. |
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| 18:19.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Arrrrgggh... package gcc-4.7-base:armhf 4.7.2-5+rpi1 cannot be configured because gcc-4.7-base:amd64 is at a different version (4.7.2-5) |
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| 18:22.28 | DexterF | apt upgraded kernel. any way to tell what version it overwrote? |
| 18:23.12 | DexterF | 23M Mai 16 01:31 linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.41-2+deb7u2_amd64.deb is in archives and the current. so - the .41 has to be the last? |
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| 18:26.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Damn, I think I need to make a chroot based on Raspbian itself. |
| 18:27.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eh, this had to be cleaned up. |
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| 18:28.01 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: why are you not asking in the raspbian channel? they shold know how to compile stuff.. |
| 18:28.05 | msn | i am trying to nstall capiistrano on debian wheezy everything is good other than railsless-deploy which cant find capistrano which was installed using debian package management |
| 18:28.35 | nkuttler | !tell msn about errors |
| 18:28.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: I did a couple of time, no answer. But I'm not quite asking Raspbian-specific stuff here, this should be general enough. |
| 18:29.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | *of times |
| 18:29.14 | nkuttler | i doubt many people cross compile |
| 18:29.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: yeah, the alternative is to compile on the device or through qemu, but that's hella slow :) |
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| 18:30.29 | msn | nkuttler: the error i get is http://pastebin.ca/2407928 |
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| 18:31.19 | nkuttler | msn: oh, i see. i don't do ruby but if capistrano is indeed installed i'd guess it's not on a PATH ruby can find |
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| 18:33.13 | msn | ruby can find capistrano, the gem cant find it |
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| 18:38.44 | DexterF | what does the avahi-daemon do? |
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| 18:39.08 | kaste | trouble |
| 18:39.24 | kaste | lookup bonjour DexterF |
| 18:39.37 | ompaul | http://linux.die.net/man/8/avahi-daemon |
| 18:40.54 | DexterF | can be just disabled? |
| 18:40.54 | DexterF | fileserver |
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| 18:42.21 | kaste | sure disable it |
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| 18:43.04 | acidchild | does /etc/default/$process always have the same variables and syntax? |
| 18:43.23 | acidchild | i want to raise the ulimit for a application and the init.d script looks for /etc/default/$name |
| 18:43.34 | babilen | no, not at all |
| 18:43.48 | acidchild | i found ULIMIT= in another $name and used it. |
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| 18:44.08 | acidchild | no? ok... |
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| 18:46.52 | babilen | acidchild: If that file is read and options parsed in there you can, naturally, specify them, but /etc/default/ is by no means a way to specify random options for every single process. |
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| 18:47.55 | babilen | acidchild: It is rather used by a small number of programs to specify default values -- Take a look at its content and you'll understand. It's probably documented somewhere, but I can't think of a reference immediately |
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| 18:49.55 | DexterF | Jun 25 06:58:08 xerxes shutdown[14745]: shutting down for system halt <- I did not shut down that machine! why would it do that? |
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| 18:52.12 | DexterF | socomm: shouldn't the logs say so then somewhere? |
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| 18:53.35 | socomm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-shutdown-command-and-logfile.html |
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| 18:56.17 | acidchild | babilen: well there is also /etc/security/limits.conf for users |
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| 18:57.21 | DexterF | socomm: well, the kernel itself initiated the shutdown |
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| 19:01.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can't multiarch systems track different versions of the same libraries? |
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| 19:02.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean, I get "package gcc-4.7-base:armhf 4.7.2-5+rpi1 cannot be configured because gcc-4.7-base:amd64 is at a different version (4.7.2-5)", but that should be doable, right? |
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| 19:38.16 | Wamphyri | anyone famiul with postfix? |
| 19:38.21 | Wamphyri | familiur* |
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| 19:39.20 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:39.28 | SerajewelKS | Wamphyri: ^^^ |
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| 19:40.09 | Wamphyri | lol typically i would just ask instead of asking to ask but at the same time i didn't want to waist time if no one is familiur with it ;) |
| 19:40.17 | Wamphyri | waste ffs |
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| 19:40.42 | SerajewelKS | Wamphyri: i assure you someone is. if you want to increase the ratio of people who know postfix : people in channel, then try #postfix. |
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| 19:41.02 | Wamphyri | SerajewelKS can't post to channel in #postfix -.- |
| 19:41.08 | Wamphyri | thats the first channel i tried |
| 19:42.03 | Wamphyri | anyone i kept getting ipv6 errors so i managed to fix that by setting up for only ipv4 |
| 19:42.21 | SerajewelKS | Wamphyri: #postfix has mode "+q $~a" which loosely translates to "people not identified with nickserv cannot speak" |
| 19:42.27 | Wamphyri | now i can't send any emails outbound or receive apperently (hotmail -> postfix) |
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| 19:42.34 | Wamphyri | ahh ok |
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| 19:45.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can I instruct apt-get to install stuff under a new root? |
| 19:45.21 | SerajewelKS | actually it pretty strictly translates to that |
| 19:45.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Something like debootstrap, but without needing to chroot in there |
| 19:46.17 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: is there a reason you can't chroot? |
| 19:46.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: it's a foreign arch |
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| 19:46.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: I want to be able to install packages belonging to another arch to some other root |
| 19:47.24 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: install the apt-get for your arch, chroot, then install the packages for the other arch? |
| 19:47.33 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: this is bound to fail anyway |
| 19:47.43 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: what if the post-install scripts need to run some binaries? |
| 19:48.07 | Sysaxed | so, my system is broken. apt-get dist-upgrade tried to upgrade apache but failed, now I can't do anything. If I do apt-get install -f it will fail once again without any usefull effect, if I try to apt-get remove apache2 it wont do that... I've tried dpkg remove --force-all apache2 and it removed it successfully, but apt-get install -f still wants to install it and fails... Any idea? I don't need apache, I need my system working... |
| 19:48.07 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: those binaries won't be in a chroot. and they'll be the wrong arch anyway. installation will fail. |
| 19:48.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: I don't want to run the post-install scripts |
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| 19:48.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: anyway the issue is the package versions differ in that arch, and I just want to use that root to cross-compile a package |
| 19:49.01 | doebi | i installed my appropiate wireless driver, activated it using modprbe, rebooted and still i cant see any wirelss devices in network manager.. |
| 19:49.42 | Sysaxed | doebi, you would have to modprobe it again after reboot |
| 19:49.44 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: i see. maybe you could debootstrap for your own arch, chroot, and then install the stuff you need on the other arch? this is one of the things multiarch support should be able to solve. |
| 19:49.46 | Sysaxed | I guess |
| 19:49.48 | doebi | hmm i did |
| 19:49.50 | doebi | twice |
| 19:49.57 | mtn | doebi: maybe it needs firmware? check out the wiki for your card/driver |
| 19:50.09 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: why does the apache install fail? |
| 19:50.09 | doebi | it's also weird that it lisst 2 wired connections with different MAC |
| 19:50.21 | doebi | mtn: i installed firmware |
| 19:50.27 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: unixd_config |
| 19:50.37 | doebi | its a Intel N-2230 i installed ipw2200 for it |
| 19:50.52 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: sounds like you need to upgrade libapache2-mod-php5 too? |
| 19:50.54 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, I don't even care why does it fail, how can I get rid of it for now? |
| 19:51.08 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: something is depending on apache. you need to find and remove that too. |
| 19:51.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: yeah, something like that, but I can't install in my host-bootstrapped arch directly, it will complain about different gcc-base versions and such |
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| 19:51.52 | mtn | doebi: looks like wrong driver: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 19:52.09 | doebi | k, wil try that one, thx |
| 19:52.27 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: honestly i'm not sure. but i don't know that your host apt-get will be able to operate correctly in a different-arch environment anyway, even just to install packages |
| 19:52.42 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, http://pastebin.com/NPBSbb6R |
| 19:52.52 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: do let me know if you figure something out, it's an interesting problem |
| 19:53.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: I'm doing it to cross-compile packages for Raspbian, qemu / real hw is just too slow. |
| 19:53.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | But Raspbian has different versions of some key packages. |
| 19:54.16 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: apt-get remove apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:54.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | So I'm thinking I could have a host amd64 Debian and its apt-get would install armhf packages into a different root |
| 19:54.58 | doebi | mtn: thanks, it works. i shopuld learn to read^^ |
| 19:55.09 | mtn | doebi: good deal |
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| 19:56.00 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, same error |
| 19:56.23 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: hmm, try: apt-get -o RootDir=/path/to/root |
| 19:56.28 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: it can't be the same error. pastebin? |
| 19:56.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: heh, I just looking at that, thanks |
| 19:56.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | *I was |
| 19:56.50 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: http://stackoverflow.com/q/3954584/501250 |
| 19:57.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nice. |
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| 19:57.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I could also look at debootstrap's code. |
| 19:57.56 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, oh, removing php5-cli and some other packages helped |
| 19:57.57 | Sysaxed | thanks |
| 19:58.37 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: k. generally if it can't uninstall something because of dependencies it will tell you which packages depend on the ones you are trying to remove. just keep adding those packages to the end of the "apt-get remove" line and eventually you'll get everything |
| 19:59.00 | Sysaxed | SerajewelKS, that is what I did :) |
| 19:59.21 | SerajewelKS | Sysaxed: alternatively, use aptitude, which can suggest multiple solutions to fix the dependency problem. apt-get is pretty limited to "install stuff" (that's a bit oversimplified, i know) whereas aptitude will suggest things that remove packages too. |
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| 20:00.38 | DexterF | I have now PURGED mythtv-backend to have it ask me again on reinst for the mysql root passwd and STILL it just goes thorugh dpkg and yaps about enied access to mysql |
| 20:00.39 | DexterF | WHY? |
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| 20:01.34 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: try 'dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend'? |
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| 20:02.30 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: note that purge won't delete configuration files that don't exist in the package itself, i don't think... so a configuration file created brand new by a utility might not get deleted by purge |
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| 20:08.32 | kexibq | hey guys, what is the default login manager for the xfce variant of wheezy? |
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| 20:08.42 | kexibq | and my .xinitrc seems to be being ignored, anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 20:09.14 | zykotick9 | kexibq: .xinitrc is used by startx... i'm unaware of any DM that uses it (but maybe?) |
| 20:09.32 | DammitJim | ugh, how dumb is it that I am going to replace a desktop debian machine for a laptop with an eSata external drive? |
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| 20:10.01 | SerajewelKS | yeah, the plethora of files that get executed on login is really rather obnoxious. .xinitrc is one of the most frequently confused ones. |
| 20:10.34 | diytto | is there a way to install the default debian packages? |
| 20:10.38 | DammitJim | it is replacing a server that has been up for 272 days |
| 20:10.46 | DammitJim | and I've had it for like 4 years |
| 20:10.51 | diytto | i just got a server and it's basically a bare install… i had to install sudo |
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| 20:11.03 | SerajewelKS | diytto: what do you mean by "default" |
| 20:11.21 | diytto | heh good question |
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| 20:11.36 | SerajewelKS | sudo is not installed by default |
| 20:11.40 | diytto | really? |
| 20:11.43 | diytto | hmmm |
| 20:11.44 | SerajewelKS | really |
| 20:11.47 | diytto | nevermind then |
| 20:11.51 | SerajewelKS | install what you need to accomplish what you need to do |
| 20:12.22 | SerajewelKS | debian is not windows, we don't give you freecell during the install ;) but you can get it if you want it |
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| 20:12.56 | SerajewelKS | the debian base install gives you enough to install stuff, basically |
| 20:13.06 | kaste | windows has freecell during install? |
| 20:13.08 | SerajewelKS | (which i really like) |
| 20:13.10 | diytto | yeah i see that |
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| 20:13.28 | diytto | i'm used to the netinstall being able to pick options to install |
| 20:13.31 | SerajewelKS | kaste: "give you" there meaning "install" |
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| 20:13.42 | SerajewelKS | diytto: you can still do that part if you want, see tasksel |
| 20:13.52 | kaste | ah ok, that would have been an actual plus :) |
| 20:13.56 | SerajewelKS | diytto: but generally it's better to figure out what you need and just install that |
| 20:14.03 | SerajewelKS | kaste: :) |
| 20:14.06 | diytto | yeah i'm working on it :p |
| 20:14.16 | transfinite | kexibq: no particular one, I think. I use slim, and I've seen lightdm mentioned a lot |
| 20:14.39 | SerajewelKS | diytto: i don't think the base install even installs an ssh server by default, but the images used by most hosts will include an ssh server |
| 20:14.54 | diytto | yeah it has an ssh server |
| 20:15.02 | SerajewelKS | diytto: generally when a vps/server provider gives you a debian box it's base debian install plus some stuff they preinstall |
| 20:15.08 | kexibq | ah, seems I could just add some stuff to xfce session and startup |
| 20:15.14 | SerajewelKS | and that usually includes openssh-server |
| 20:15.27 | diytto | alright |
| 20:15.37 | SerajewelKS | but the less they install the better for you :) |
| 20:15.38 | diytto | i've never used a server that i've had to setup |
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| 20:15.52 | diytto | yeah it's pretty bare right now :) but i can fix that! |
| 20:16.06 | SerajewelKS | diytto: setting up a server is a nice experience. by the end you will know exactly what is running, in detail. |
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| 20:16.48 | kaste | SerajewelKS: that's a bit optimistic |
| 20:17.02 | diytto | i need java... |
| 20:17.05 | diytto | hmmm |
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| 20:17.47 | SerajewelKS | kaste: well you will certainly have a better idea than when someone tosses you a redhat box with tons of daemons preinstalled |
| 20:17.58 | SerajewelKS | diytto: maybe you only think you need java ;) |
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| 20:18.10 | diytto | no i need it for my minecraft server ;) |
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| 20:18.53 | pulse00 | hi there. can anyone recommend a good monitoring tool for basic stuff like disk-space/cpu-usage etc with a web-based UI? |
| 20:18.53 | diytto | wow java has a lot of dependencies :o |
| 20:19.06 | kexibq | a |
| 20:19.14 | SerajewelKS | diytto: yes it does. make sure you are installing the headless version to avoid X dependencies. |
| 20:19.27 | transfinite | diytto: to paraphrase jwz "and now you have two problems" |
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| 20:20.26 | diytto | there is a headless version? |
| 20:20.29 | diytto | >.> |
| 20:20.31 | frikinz | pulse00: munin? |
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| 20:20.39 | diytto | i just installed the openjd-7-jre |
| 20:20.47 | diytto | i left out the k but whatever |
| 20:21.00 | SerajewelKS | openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 20:21.15 | pulse00 | frikinz: thanks. that's still the way to go? i hoped to find something with a slightly nicer UI ^^ |
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| 20:21.54 | frikinz | I stumbled upon something else a few days ago but can't find it right now |
| 20:22.02 | SerajewelKS | diytto: note that openjdk-7-jre depends on openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 20:22.18 | diytto | ah okay |
| 20:22.48 | SerajewelKS | diytto: if you already installed openjdk-7-jre then: aptitude unmarkauto openjdk-7-jre-headless && aptitude purge --purge-unused openjdk-7-jre |
| 20:23.00 | SerajewelKS | diytto: that will remove all of the GUI crap while retaining the headless JRE |
| 20:23.12 | diytto | awesome thanks |
| 20:23.42 | frikinz | pulse00: there's also this http://www.zabbix.com/screenshots.php |
| 20:24.10 | DammitJim | what file system should I use for an external HDD... it is currently NTFS |
| 20:24.27 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: depends 100% on what you intend to do with it and with which systems |
| 20:24.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you add apt keys to a normal user? I'm planning on using a fakechroot, but I need the keys to debootstrap. |
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| 20:24.55 | pulse00 | frikinz: thanks |
| 20:25.02 | DammitJim | SerajewelKS, looking to use it to hold media like videos, pictures, music |
| 20:25.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | apt-key exportall | su user -c "fakeroot -- apt-key add -" tries to access /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 20:25.43 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: if you will only ever use it on a linux box, ext3/4 are fine |
| 20:25.46 | frikinz | pulse00: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems |
| 20:26.16 | DammitJim | SerajewelKS, yeah, only on this linux box... probably access it's files through samba from a windows machine |
| 20:26.20 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: if the files will all be under 4gb then you can use fat32 for maximum portability. otherwise, ntfs might be your best bet (sadly). |
| 20:26.26 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: then probably an extN |
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| 20:26.38 | DammitJim | no nfs or anything like that, right? |
| 20:26.38 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: i have an external drive i have shared in exactly the same way, it is ext3 |
| 20:26.50 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: why would you need nfs |
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| 20:27.15 | DammitJim | I really don't know |
| 20:27.17 | DammitJim | or reiserfs |
| 20:27.28 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: nfs is not a filesystem |
| 20:27.58 | DammitJim | oh, I thought it meant network file system |
| 20:28.09 | frikinz | DammitJim: I'd actually put personal stuffs in an encrypted container |
| 20:28.20 | SerajewelKS | it does, but it's not a filesystem. it's a protocol for accessing files remotely. |
| 20:28.42 | SerajewelKS | NFS and SMB are the same type of thing |
| 20:28.52 | SerajewelKS | they exist on network cables, not on disks |
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| 20:29.14 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: ext3 or ext4 will be fine for your needs |
| 20:29.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I can use --keyring |
| 20:29.52 | DammitJim | oh yeah, SerajewelKS sorry |
| 20:30.07 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: if it's just going to be a home media server then just use ext. you can debate with yourself about which filesystem to use but for your workload "something stable" is more important than experimental features. |
| 20:30.20 | DammitJim | is ext3/4 more reliable for cases where the drive gets disconnected vs NTFS? I think I read that online |
| 20:30.22 | SerajewelKS | i don't know what reiser would give you |
| 20:30.32 | diytto | anyone want to reccomend a good httpd? |
| 20:30.54 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: ext3/4 are journalled. so is ntfs. they should both be about as reliable. |
| 20:31.05 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: (as reliable against disconnections i mean) |
| 20:31.14 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 20:31.16 | DammitJim | thanks for your help |
| 20:31.40 | transfinite | Eduard_Munteanu: (as user:) sudo apt-key exportall | gpg --import - |
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| 20:31.42 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: if you unplug then next time you mount both filesystems will replay the journal, that should leave the filesystem consistent. i don't know how reliable each are for other issues, such as new bad sectors or physical damage. |
| 20:32.30 | DammitJim | right |
| 20:32.36 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: i have heard ntfs is more resilient to damage, but for a simple power outage or unplugging the drive, journalled ext and ntfs should both handle it |
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| 20:33.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | transfinite: hmm... so debootstrap looks there first? |
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| 20:33.25 | The_Kingz | Helli |
| 20:33.27 | The_Kingz | Hello* |
| 20:33.39 | SerajewelKS | (i'm not saying ntfs is more resilient, only that i have heard that in the past) |
| 20:34.19 | transfinite | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't understand your question. I thought you wanted to import apt's keys to a user's keyring |
| 20:34.47 | The_Kingz | Can somebody help me with my wifi? I am using rtl8188ce and i added a non free repo do sources.list but i don't know which packages i need |
| 20:34.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | transfinite: I wanted to import apt keys such that debootstrap can use them |
| 20:35.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | transfinite: I guess I can just pass --keyring to debootstrap |
| 20:35.03 | The_Kingz | to the* |
| 20:35.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | To make it use the user's keyring. |
| 20:36.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | This seems to have worked... $ fakechroot -- fakeroot -- /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch=armhf --foreign --variant=fakechroot --keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg wheezy fakechroot/ http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ |
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| 20:36.51 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: might be a good idea to blog your steps when you figure it out, i'm sure others would appreciate the documentation :) |
| 20:37.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | SerajewelKS: yep, I'm planning to |
| 20:37.06 | SerajewelKS | Eduard_Munteanu: good man |
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| 20:38.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess Debian users would peel off one layer of that... I needed to debootstrap a Debian environment since I use Gentoo on this machine. |
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| 20:41.00 | frikinz | as a user |
| 20:41.13 | frikinz | normal user |
| 20:41.25 | frikinz | interesting. didn't know about fakechroot |
| 20:43.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | thinks he still needs qemu to do the second stage for debootstrap |
| 20:43.25 | DammitJim | is there a good tutorial on how to automount eSata drives? |
| 20:43.32 | frikinz | I guess. that's what I did qemu-static |
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| 20:43.53 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: fstab might be your best bet... |
| 20:44.32 | The_Kingz | Is somebody using rtl8188ce from realtek which is working for him? |
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| 20:46.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hrmpf... fakechroot doesn't seem to work with my qemu setup. |
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| 20:46.52 | babilen | acidchild: Yeah, sure - but that has nothing to do with /etc/default/* |
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| 20:48.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, hm, it does. But I need a statically compiled sh it seems. |
| 20:49.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | The_Kingz: wait a bit, sometimes we just don't know... :) |
| 20:49.39 | The_Kingz | okay thanks |
| 20:50.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | The_Kingz: it's also best to stick to public conversation, unless you know the other person and they want to talk privately. |
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| 20:53.43 | mooglebam | Hi, how do I get a default .bashrc? The sort that comes with wheezy? I accidentally deleted mine. |
| 20:54.06 | mooglebam | I looked in /usr/share/doc/bash, but it doesn't seem to have "examples" |
| 20:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mooglebam, the one in /etc/skel/ |
| 20:54.33 | mooglebam | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
| 20:54.58 | glorks | hi |
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| 20:55.30 | The_Kingz | hi |
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| 20:56.18 | thebananafish | hey friends, I am trying to block an IP via iptables. I have done this many times before but now when I add the range I need blocked it comes up as network-addr/24 in iptables |
| 20:56.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: what command / rule are you typing? |
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| 20:58.31 | thebananafish | iptables -I INPUT -s 209.133.94.0/24 -j DROP |
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| 20:59.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: well, that's clearly a network_address/24 |
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| 20:59.25 | thebananafish | what? |
| 20:59.30 | thebananafish | when I run iptables -L |
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| 20:59.36 | thebananafish | I get this |
| 20:59.46 | glorks | -m iprange -src-range 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.254 |
| 20:59.59 | thebananafish | http://bpaste.net/show/UajmvUt2UUCOpeFaTsNd/ |
| 21:00.09 | glorks | -m iprange --src-range 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.254 -j DROP ... sorry |
| 21:00.13 | thebananafish | why is it just this range giving me network-addr/24 |
| 21:00.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: probably because you have an /etc/hosts entry? |
| 21:00.36 | thebananafish | I need to block this range http://bpaste.net/show/UajmvUt2UUCOpeFaTsNd/ |
| 21:00.48 | thebananafish | I mean this range : 209.133.94.0-209.133.94.255 |
| 21:00.56 | thebananafish | Eduard_Munteanu: what do you mean |
| 21:01.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | < thebananafish> iptables -I INPUT -s 209.133.94.0/24 -j DROP |
| 21:01.15 | thebananafish | etc hosts is all clear |
| 21:01.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's exactly what you asked for. :/ |
| 21:01.19 | thebananafish | just the default |
| 21:01.29 | thebananafish | I dont understand |
| 21:01.31 | thebananafish | sorry |
| 21:01.34 | thebananafish | prior |
| 21:01.42 | thebananafish | I did iptables -I INPUT -s 64.41.145.0/24 -j DROP |
| 21:01.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: are you asking why it appears as "network-addr" literally? |
| 21:01.51 | thebananafish | YES |
| 21:01.53 | thebananafish | like in the paste |
| 21:01.57 | thebananafish | that shows up as network-addr |
| 21:02.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok, so it's not sanitized. |
| 21:02.00 | thebananafish | and the others resolve to dns |
| 21:02.04 | thebananafish | or ips |
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| 21:02.18 | babilen | thebananafish: You are aware of ##netfilter aren't you btw? |
| 21:02.25 | thebananafish | I am not sorry |
| 21:02.30 | thebananafish | * I was not |
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| 21:02.47 | babilen | That's okay, pray continue but it might make sense to ask them |
| 21:03.11 | thebananafish | ok thanks, I just wantto make sure this is getting blocked |
| 21:03.28 | thebananafish | all the other IPs I have ever blocked dont show up as network-addr in iptables |
| 21:03.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: what does host 209.133.94.0 say? |
| 21:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | iptables-save shows the IP, though |
| 21:04.01 | thebananafish | ? |
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| 21:04.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: I think your DNS server might give a name to that |
| 21:04.23 | thebananafish | 0.94.133.209.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer network-addr. |
| 21:04.25 | thebananafish | ah |
| 21:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 21:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just translating the name |
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| 21:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit weird on a *.0 |
| 21:04.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | I forget if there's a tool to check how a name gets resolved, hm. |
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| 21:05.14 | thebananafish | that is ... |
| 21:05.15 | mullein | eduard: dig? |
| 21:05.16 | thebananafish | weird |
| 21:05.19 | thebananafish | wtf |
| 21:05.21 | thebananafish | but okay |
| 21:05.23 | thebananafish | that makes sense |
| 21:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dig + some options, possibly |
| 21:05.58 | thebananafish | so its blocking properly |
| 21:06.00 | thebananafish | just |
| 21:06.06 | thebananafish | the resolved name is being shown |
| 21:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... bit weird thing to resolve into |
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| 21:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially as the reverse doesn't work (albeit not surprisingly so) |
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| 21:07.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | thebananafish: yeah, -n suppresses name resolution |
| 21:07.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | In iptables, that is. |
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| 21:07.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | e.g. iptables -nL |
| 21:08.46 | pulse00 | does anyone know a non-cloud-based solution for syncing calendars and contacts between devices? |
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| 21:10.52 | glorks | Do you know ownCloud ? |
| 21:11.37 | pulse00 | glorks: nope, gonna have a look at it, thanks |
| 21:11.55 | joltcan | I think I remembered that I ran apples calendar sync on a standalone system, it's java based |
| 21:13.00 | pulse00 | i'm going through the full paranoia-program and migrate everything away from any cloud services... http://prism-break.org has some good alternatives but nothing for calendar / contact sync which is really a handy feature |
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| 21:13.47 | petn-randall | pulse00: I've looked into this a while back. |
| 21:14.13 | pulse00 | petn-randall: into ownCloud ? |
| 21:14.20 | petn-randall | pulse00: owncloud and funambol are two possible solutions to your problem. |
| 21:14.49 | petn-randall | pulse00: I went with owncloud, don't remember what were the convincing arguments though. |
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| 21:15.07 | pulse00 | petn-randall: thanks for the funambol hint |
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| 21:16.28 | DammitJim | is there a good pop3 package I can use instead of qpopper? I think qpopper was removed from wheezy |
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| 21:17.57 | glorks | dammitjim : courier-pop ? |
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| 21:18.08 | DammitJim | glorks, yeah, I was just reading about that |
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| 21:29.42 | atannus | Any thoughts on the most adequate way to get java7 (oracle) on Wheezy? |
| 21:31.35 | NTQ | Hi there. I have problems with a udev rule for my avrisp mkII programmer. It creates the correct symlink but it has not the specified group and mode. |
| 21:31.36 | NTQ | This is the rule: ATTR{idVendor}=="03eb",ATTR{idProduct}=="2104",SYMLINK+="avrispmkii",MODE="0666",GROUP="plugdev" |
| 21:31.36 | NTQ | Any suggestions? |
| 21:32.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | NTQ: symlink permissions don't matter |
| 21:32.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | NTQ: you'd have to change the permissions on the target |
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| 21:33.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | NTQ: I guess you want to create another dev file for it |
| 21:33.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | (unless changing the permissions of the target) |
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| 21:37.08 | NTQ | okay, thank you. now it seems to work properly. strange. and now I need the symlink no longer. strange... 10 minutes ago the rule did not work and now the same rule does work. |
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| 21:49.28 | pablo | hello guys, is there a simple way to check initrd content? |
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| 21:52.11 | jordanm | pablo, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html |
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| 21:56.22 | pablo | jordanm: thank you! |
| 21:56.34 | pablo | and how do I check if selinux is enabled? |
| 21:56.43 | pablo | I don't have the getenforce command |
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| 22:01.50 | pablo | is there any intention of moving to dracut? |
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| 22:02.17 | JuPaname | irc://irc.JuPaname.fr |
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| 22:02.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | JuPaname: I hope you're not spamming |
| 22:02.49 | petn-randall | pablo: Who has intentions? |
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| 22:03.31 | pablo | petn-randall: the debian project |
| 22:03.43 | petn-randall | pablo: I thought dracut is already packaged? |
| 22:04.07 | pablo | petn-randall: I mean making it the default initramfs generator |
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| 22:05.45 | petn-randall | pablo: I think the way it is already works fine. If you want it, you can install it. |
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| 22:42.51 | pablo | hello guys |
| 22:43.40 | pablo | from where can I download the packages that are here: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ ? |
| 22:44.57 | Vicissitude | pablo, http://www.thedailynailblog.com/ just had to go one level up |
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| 22:46.42 | pablo | Vicissitude: ? |
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| 22:46.57 | Vicissitude | oops, wrong paste |
| 22:47.07 | Vicissitude | try this instead: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ |
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| 22:48.10 | pablo | Vicissitude: I don't find the .debs in there |
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| 22:49.50 | pablo | Vicissitude: I am interested in this one: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/modemmanager_0.7.991-1.html |
| 22:49.58 | pablo | Vicissitude: but I don't find the .debs |
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| 22:50.25 | pablo | can I download it from somewhere? |
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| 22:50.55 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I'm building a custom debian initramfs and kernel. All is well except I cant seem to get ext3 and ext4 into /proc/filesystems. Anyone aware of the kernel config for this? |
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| 22:51.45 | Vicissitude | pablo, it's a repository. You'll have to figure out how to add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:53.03 | pablo | Vicissitude: can't I browse the repo? |
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| 22:53.52 | Vicissitude | doesn't seem to be possible |
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| 22:54.23 | pablo | Vicissitude: hmm do you have the deb line? |
| 22:54.36 | Vicissitude | no |
| 22:54.53 | pablo | Vicissitude: do you know how can I add it? |
| 22:55.10 | Vicissitude | no, I don't |
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| 22:55.20 | pablo | ... |
| 22:55.58 | pablo | somebody knows if it is possible? |
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| 23:26.50 | szymonssss | hello all , anyone know how to encrypt entire disk , which will decipher automatically when he recognize hardware ? |
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| 23:43.42 | SARC | I am trying to enable modesetting on my dell poweredge. The graphics are Matrox. I added mga modeset=1 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules but I am getting an error that modeset is not a valid parameter. |
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| 23:50.52 | jelly-home | SARC: are you sure the kernel in Debian has modeset support for mga at all? |
| 23:51.16 | SARC | jelly-home: no, not really |
| 23:53.08 | jelly-home | SARC: there's a separate mgag200 module, in newer kernels, that seems to have support for at least some cards |
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| 23:54.09 | SARC | jelly-home: would I be able to do a modinfo mgag200 if its supported in wheezy? |
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| 23:54.47 | jelly-home | SARC: it's not present in wheezy kernel. |
| 23:54.53 | jelly-home | ,kconfig CONFIG_DRM_MGAG200 |
| 23:54.54 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_DRM_MGAG200' in wheezy kernel config gives no results. |
| 23:55.00 | jelly-home | ,kconfig CONFIG_DRM_MGAG200 --release jessie |
| 23:55.01 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_DRM_MGAG200' in jessie kernel config gives DRM_MGAG200=m. |
| 23:55.01 | SARC | oh |
| 23:55.35 | SARC | so i need a newer kernel for wheezy |
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| 23:57.06 | jelly-home | if you insist on a framebuffer console or GL support on your server, yes |
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| 23:58.14 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 23:58.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc5-686-pae (3.10~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.6-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
