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| 00:28.40 | allure | how can I put the kernel on hold so it won't update? |
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| 00:32.06 | roboman2444 | im having trouble installing the necisary packages for wine... |
| 00:32.19 | roboman2444 | ia32-libs-i386 isnt there |
| 00:33.00 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.04 | dvs | roboman2444: What does "uname -m" say? |
| 00:33.16 | roboman2444 | im a 64 |
| 00:33.39 | roboman2444 | didnt you guys recently switch to multiarch for 32 bit support? |
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| 00:33.49 | dvs | roboman2444: run dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 00:33.49 | Arrowmaster | did you enable multiarch |
| 00:34.24 | roboman2444 | dvs, still doesnt work |
| 00:34.43 | roboman2444 | Arrowmaster, no... but i only really need this stuff for wine |
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| 00:35.04 | roboman2444 | and i dunno if wine likes debian multiarch |
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| 00:35.36 | Arrowmaster | run aptitude update after the command dvs gave you |
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| 00:36.14 | roboman2444 | apt-get update and then apt-get install ia32-libs still has same problem |
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| 00:38.10 | roboman2444 | this is a testing system |
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| 00:39.58 | dvs | roboman2444: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 00:40.29 | roboman2444 | jessie/sid |
| 00:40.56 | jelly-home | roboman2444: what does apt-cache policy wine-unstable say? |
| 00:41.13 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, wine from source |
| 00:41.20 | roboman2444 | i dont want a 5 month old wine |
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| 00:42.20 | jelly-home | roboman2444: oh, you want to build it? I suggest using an i386 chroot for that. |
| 00:42.35 | jelly-home | multiarch might still be a bit of hit and miss |
| 00:42.37 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, my laptop does it in x64 just fine |
| 00:42.41 | roboman2444 | on ia32-libs |
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| 00:42.56 | roboman2444 | but someone removed a certian package, and now i cant install the requirements on my desktop |
| 00:43.33 | jelly-home | roboman2444: it wasn't "removed" as much as being only present in i386 now. |
| 00:43.51 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, then how can i get ia32-libs |
| 00:44.00 | jelly-home | so the easiest thing to do now is use that environment to build |
| 00:44.20 | roboman2444 | kinda broken if ia32-libs is in the amd64 repo, but cant be installed |
| 00:44.28 | jelly-home | roboman2444: /msg dpkg upgrade ia32 libs |
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| 00:45.42 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, did that, doesnt work |
| 00:45.54 | roboman2444 | still doesnt like me after an apt-get update |
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| 00:46.44 | roboman2444 | ah, now it works for some reason |
| 00:46.54 | dvs | heh |
| 00:47.08 | dvs | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 00:47.08 | dpkg | dvs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:47.10 | roboman2444 | oh... now i remembered why i disliked multiarch in the first place... |
| 00:47.13 | jelly-home | you probably did not do an update after enabling the foreign arch |
| 00:47.24 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, no, just took 3 times |
| 00:47.31 | jelly-home | roboman2444: and 1.5.29 isn't 5 months old |
| 00:47.39 | roboman2444 | 186 mb of files to get |
| 00:47.39 | jelly-home | merely 2 months ;-) |
| 00:47.46 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, exactly |
| 00:48.01 | roboman2444 | well my laptop uses the git one, and i have had better expeiance using the git |
| 00:48.08 | roboman2444 | same with graphics drivers |
| 00:48.24 | roboman2444 | debian tends to be way behind with fglrx and nvidia stull |
| 00:48.27 | roboman2444 | stuff |
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| 00:48.50 | jelly-home | I don't upgrade nvidia drivers once they work |
| 00:49.15 | jelly-home | unless it's absolutely inevitable or there's a security issue |
| 00:49.18 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, well unless debian decides that X version, breaking drivers, should be put into the testing repo |
| 00:49.32 | jelly-home | roboman2444: that's what testing is FOR |
| 00:49.41 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, thats what unstable is for |
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| 00:50.13 | jelly-home | they're pretty much the same thing -- development and enthusiast playground |
| 00:50.25 | roboman2444 | eh |
| 00:50.35 | jelly-home | you need to do work on you machine? Don't upgrade blindly. |
| 00:50.46 | roboman2444 | anyway |
| 00:51.00 | roboman2444 | why use multiarch when ia32-libs worked perfectly |
| 00:51.14 | roboman2444 | multiarch basically needs a duplicate package for every lib you require |
| 00:52.00 | roboman2444 | and it still doesnt work |
| 00:52.01 | roboman2444 | trying to overwrite shared '/etc/vga/null.keymap', which is different from other instances of package libsvga1:i386 |
| 00:52.28 | jelly-home | it's technically superior and has many benefits. It's also a work in progress. |
| 00:52.38 | roboman2444 | sure |
| 00:53.11 | roboman2444 | i just think you guys jumped on the multiarch train because steam "needs" it |
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| 00:53.34 | roboman2444 | trying to overwrite shared '/etc/vga/null.keymap', which is different from other instances of package libsvga1:i386 |
| 00:53.35 | jelly-home | that feature has been in the works for years |
| 00:53.38 | roboman2444 | what is the issue there? |
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| 00:54.36 | jelly-home | it's hard to say. can you pastebin the command used and the whole output? |
| 00:55.03 | roboman2444 | apt-get -f install |
| 00:55.13 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 00:55.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:55.15 | roboman2444 | and it fails with that error |
| 00:56.52 | jelly-home | it doesn't look like the whole output, and I'm too tired to guess, sorry |
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| 00:57.40 | roboman2444 | http://paste.debian.net/12706/ |
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| 00:58.23 | jelly-home | roboman2444: one thing to look for, make sure the versions of native and foreign architecture for a library match, so if there's a libsvga1:amd64 installed, make it up to date before asking apt to install the same version of libsvga1:i386 |
| 00:58.46 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, everything is up to date |
| 00:59.27 | jelly-home | roboman2444: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libsvga1" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 01:00.15 | jelly-home | roboman2444: er, make that first command "apt-cache policy libsvga1:i386 libsvga1:amd64" |
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| 01:01.02 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, everything here http://paste.debian.net/12707/ |
| 01:01.53 | roboman2444 | hm... im starting to think that i should do a complete reinstall, but keep my /home/ |
| 01:02.13 | jelly-home | roboman2444: remove squeeze from sources, for a start |
| 01:02.37 | jelly-home | and experimental shouldn't really be used without unstable |
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| 01:03.28 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, squeeze removed |
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| 01:04.19 | jelly-home | roboman2444: what does dpkg -l libsvga1\* say? |
| 01:05.04 | roboman2444 | http://paste.debian.net/12708/ |
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| 01:05.45 | jelly-home | roboman2444: right. Purge the remains of libsvga1:amd64 manually with dpkg -P, then continue the apt-get -f install |
| 01:06.14 | roboman2444 | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libsvga1 which isn't installed |
| 01:06.14 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, roboman2444 |
| 01:06.14 | roboman2444 | wat |
| 01:06.27 | jelly-home | that's normal |
| 01:06.58 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, so what do i do? |
| 01:07.08 | jelly-home | roboman2444: did you run "dpkg -P libsvga1:amd64" or something else? |
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| 01:07.13 | roboman2444 | that exactly |
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| 01:07.21 | jelly-home | hmph |
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| 01:07.53 | jelly-home | roboman2444: does dpkg -l ... show any difference? |
| 01:08.19 | roboman2444 | what do you mean? |
| 01:08.26 | roboman2444 | ah, nope |
| 01:08.49 | jelly-home | that's not nice of it. Do "dpkg -P libsvga1", then |
| 01:09.04 | jelly-home | there's a dpkg bug to report here |
| 01:09.22 | roboman2444 | ok, -f install worked now |
| 01:09.23 | roboman2444 | thanks |
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| 01:09.38 | roboman2444 | but seriously... 186mb? |
| 01:09.57 | roboman2444 | if i wanted that sort of stuff, i would be running gnome |
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| 01:10.48 | roboman2444 | hrmph |
| 01:10.54 | roboman2444 | wine still complains about x |
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| 01:11.47 | jelly-home | ia32-libs had 81MB installed size |
| 01:12.05 | roboman2444 | yea, half of multiarch |
| 01:12.12 | roboman2444 | and it worked, outta da box |
| 01:13.03 | jelly-home | building of wine WILL require different and more stuff than running it. What you installed now is just the runtime bits. |
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| 01:13.31 | roboman2444 | i would perfer to be able to run it |
| 01:13.35 | roboman2444 | err |
| 01:13.36 | roboman2444 | compile |
| 01:13.42 | jelly-home | again, I'd suggest building it in an i386 chroot |
| 01:13.55 | jelly-home | have fun, /me -> bed |
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| 01:20.24 | antiwire | Has anyone had this problem with nfs-coomon happen after updates last week? http://pastebin.ca/2408177 |
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| 01:24.41 | antiwire | crap...I fixed it by removing rpcbind and reinstalling nfs-common which grabbed rpcbind again... |
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| 01:26.27 | jelly-home | antiwire: you need rpcbind to run any of the nfs component services. |
| 01:26.37 | antiwire | I know, but it was installed already |
| 01:27.00 | jelly-home | antiwire: was the service running? Is it linked in /etc/rc2.d/S??rpcbind ? |
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| 01:27.26 | antiwire | Well, It probably was running before I purged it |
| 01:27.40 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, oh boy, wine still cant do opengl |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: you are the worst sleeper ever! |
| 01:28.15 | roboman2444 | you can probably tell why i annoyed |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | annoyed who? |
| 01:28.26 | lolgnu | why isnt all locales generated by default? |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | lolgnu: you didn't ask it to? |
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| 01:28.53 | lolgnu | abrotman: no? |
| 01:28.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: I blame the afternoon nap. |
| 01:29.02 | lolgnu | But now I am doing it |
| 01:29.07 | lolgnu | one bit at a time |
| 01:29.41 | lolgnu | abrotman: Is there a single reason why it is not default? |
| 01:29.42 | jelly-home | lolgnu: if you want them all, always, install locales-all. alternatively, run dpkg-reconfigure locales and enable every single one |
| 01:29.56 | lolgnu | but why isn't it default? |
| 01:30.27 | jelly-home | lolgnu: because users typically do not need ALL the locales, just theirs |
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| 01:30.38 | lolgnu | I can't see the advantage of hiding them in some obscure folder instead of generating them all |
| 01:30.40 | racar | Hey guys, i have debian squeeze ( 6.0.6 ) and this weekend google-chrome had some issue and right now im unable to install it ( even from the .deb) Looks like i have some unmet dependencies. (gconf-service) Any hint for me ? thx |
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| 01:31.36 | cstdio | racar: indtall gconf-service |
| 01:31.40 | cstdio | ? |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | lolgnu: takes a lot of space |
| 01:31.43 | jelly-home | lolgnu: it saves some time for other apps dynamically generating locale support, and some inode usage |
| 01:32.03 | jelly-home | lolgnu: notice I didn't say they take a lot of space, that's just silly. |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | they do! |
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| 01:32.19 | abrotman | according to people with 1GB HDDs .. |
| 01:32.20 | lolgnu | abrotman: like what, a few hundred megabytes? |
| 01:32.28 | jelly-home | Installed-Size: 111362 |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | lolgnu: FIIK .. i only have the ones I need |
| 01:32.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's 111GB! |
| 01:32.37 | jelly-home | ^^ locales-all, 111MB |
| 01:32.39 | lolgnu | I think it went from 700M to 1,11G |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | lolgnu: okay, good luck |
| 01:32.49 | racar | cstdio, gconf-service is not available, but is referred to by another package ... (aptitude search return empty ) |
| 01:32.51 | lolgnu | abrotman: I am done generating them all |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | lolgnu: file a bug if you don't like the default |
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| 01:33.26 | jelly-home | lolgnu: it's faster to install locales-all instead and save on regeneration time on upgrades. |
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| 01:33.57 | Th0masR0ss | racar: find a deb? |
| 01:34.13 | racar | Th0masR0ss, for gconf-service or chrome ? |
| 01:34.25 | Th0masR0ss | gconf |
| 01:34.59 | lolgnu | abrotman: I also don't get why the default filesystem isn't zfs instead of ext4. |
| 01:35.14 | lolgnu | md + lvm + ext vs zfs |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | lolgnu: zfs isn't native to the linux kenrel ? |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | kernel |
| 01:35.45 | lolgnu | abrotman: that should be fixed |
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| 01:35.53 | abrotman | lolgnu: we await your patches |
| 01:36.19 | racar | Th0masR0ss, i will try |
| 01:36.36 | lolgnu | abrotman: even unnative my server boots of it fine |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:36.45 | jelly-home | lolgnu: zfs support cannot be distributed in binary form by debian |
| 01:36.53 | racar | Th0masR0ss, i will add "sid" in my sources.list |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | that seems like a bad idea |
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| 01:37.32 | jelly-home | lolgnu: the installer would need to have gcc and kernel headers to build zfsonlinux support |
| 01:37.46 | abrotman | why not btrfs! |
| 01:37.53 | lolgnu | btrfs isn't done |
| 01:38.00 | jelly-home | because it's alpha quality, unlike zfs |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:38.19 | jelly-home | (and I'm probably giving it a bone by calling it alpha) |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | i'd say it's alpha .. |
| 01:38.39 | lolgnu | Does btrfs even have raid or self healing? |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | it works, it mostly works well, it may eat your data in corner cases :) |
| 01:39.37 | racar | Th0masR0ss, i have a problem with lsb-core and python-apt when i try to install gconf-service. |
| 01:39.42 | jelly-home | lolgnu: yes; maybe not yet, respectively |
| 01:39.47 | Th0masR0ss | problem is? |
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| 01:40.19 | Th0masR0ss | ^ why does debhelper do that |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | Th0masR0ss: join flood prevention |
| 01:41.31 | jelly-home | s/prevention/protection/ |
| 01:41.32 | phy1729 | is that a problem usually? |
| 01:41.34 | lolgnu | I don't get why not all computers have mirrored root drives |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | lolgnu: some have striped root drives? |
| 01:41.48 | phy1729 | lolgnu: cost? |
| 01:41.54 | jelly-home | lolgnu: yours don't? |
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| 01:41.58 | lolgnu | phy1729: harddrives is cheap |
| 01:42.04 | lolgnu | jelly-home: my laptop doesn't |
| 01:42.12 | jelly-home | lolgnu: why not? |
| 01:42.13 | lolgnu | My desktop has a three way mirror with zfs |
| 01:42.19 | lolgnu | jelly-home: my SSD is too small |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | sell it! |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | also, standard SATA drives are cheap ... |
| 01:42.54 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman: is that +I or +l? |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | L |
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| 01:43.24 | racar | Th0masR0ss, i want to reinstall chrome but doesnt work. I checked with apt-cache depends, and some package are missing like "gconf-service" "libgconf-2-4" and "libudev1". I added "sid main" in the sources.list and when i tried to install gconf-service i got this : "The following packages have unmet dep. libc6: breaks: lsb-core <= 3.2-27) but 3.2.23.2squeeze1 is to be installed python-apt: Breaks: python-software-properties ( < 0.70.d |
| 01:43.25 | racar | ebian-1+) but 0.60.debian-3 is to be installed. |
| 01:43.27 | Th0masR0ss | oh i though it was a I |
| 01:44.10 | phy1729 | Th0masR0ss: you need a better font ;) |
| 01:44.32 | Th0masR0ss | then remove python-software-properties and lsb-core |
| 01:44.40 | Th0masR0ss | racar: ^ |
| 01:44.53 | Th0masR0ss | phy1729: not much you can do on a phone |
| 01:45.05 | jelly-home | racar: you seem to be mixing different debian releases |
| 01:45.49 | jelly-home | racar: don't do that, or you're going to end up with an unsupportable mess and require a reinstall |
| 01:46.04 | jelly-home | or the whole OS, not just chrome |
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| 01:46.38 | Th0masR0ss | oh ok dont listen to me |
| 01:46.48 | Aivaras | Why no one told me that Garry's mod is available for linux now? :D |
| 01:46.50 | jelly-home | racar: remove that sid line from your sources.list. |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | lets jelly-home handle that one |
| 01:47.52 | jelly-home | runs away screaming |
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| 01:48.03 | Th0masR0ss | pokes racar |
| 01:48.10 | jelly-home | it sounds like a squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:49.51 | racar | Th0masR0ss, ok |
| 01:50.03 | Th0masR0ss | racar: NO NO NO |
| 01:50.19 | Th0masR0ss | racar: LISTEN TO jelly-home NOT ME |
| 01:50.37 | jelly-home | is not here |
| 01:50.38 | racar | hahaha yeah i removed it |
| 01:50.48 | Th0masR0ss | darnit |
| 01:50.58 | Th0masR0ss | oh ok |
| 01:51.16 | Th0masR0ss | jelly-home: racar would like continue |
| 01:51.47 | racar | im using chromium now |
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| 01:52.06 | Th0masR0ss | oh ok |
| 01:52.18 | Th0masR0ss | is confuzzlled |
| 01:52.24 | racar | cuz i can't fix chrome installation. |
| 01:52.41 | racar | thats why im here. |
| 01:54.58 | Th0masR0ss | racar:.did you remove sid? |
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| 01:55.05 | racar | yes |
| 01:55.14 | Th0masR0ss | k |
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| 01:56.07 | racar | i dont see gconf-service in squeeze (from packages.debian.org) |
| 01:56.15 | racar | not sure whats the next step |
| 01:56.23 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman: help racar? |
| 01:56.41 | Th0masR0ss | from what youve said it looks like you can? |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | help what? |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | use chromium, it's already in Debian ? |
| 01:57.36 | Th0masR0ss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.47 | racar | i have both ... but i was using chrome for the past 6 month |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 01:58.23 | VsioZaebis | hi fellas |
| 01:58.29 | Th0masR0ss | hi |
| 01:58.32 | VsioZaebis | after many many years of not using Debian |
| 01:58.42 | racar | ... if you're telling me its a problem to have chrome-stable on squeeze, i will go with chromium |
| 01:58.43 | VsioZaebis | I am trying to install some packages |
| 01:59.11 | Th0masR0ss | VsioZaebis: errors? |
| 01:59.48 | VsioZaebis | no errors yet, only taking precaucions |
| 01:59.54 | VsioZaebis | precausions * |
| 02:00.13 | Th0masR0ss | ok |
| 02:00.28 | VsioZaebis | Debian 6.0.7 |
| 02:00.51 | VsioZaebis | I just ran aptitude install phpmyadmin |
| 02:01.11 | Th0masR0ss | and? |
| 02:01.49 | VsioZaebis | and something is happening lolz |
| 02:01.53 | dvs | VsioZaebis: Change your /etc/apt/sources.list to use archive |
| 02:01.53 | VsioZaebis | not sure what ) |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:01.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | racar: squeeze isn't 'stable' |
| 02:03.08 | racar | thx, any addons on chromium ? |
| 02:03.23 | SARC | I am trying to recompile and reinstall grub2 over the default grub2 that's installed by wheezy. I have downloaded the sources and made the modifications. Do I just do a configure/make/make install? Is there anything else I need to do? |
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| 02:04.37 | Wamphyri | i use username / password based auth |
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| 02:42.05 | raSter^ | excuse me |
| 02:42.27 | raSter^ | how do i uninstall what i apt-get ? |
| 02:42.30 | AleksEst | Is it possible to use 3.9 kernel on wheezy without problems? |
| 02:43.08 | raSter^ | AleksEst what is the latest kernel in debian 7? |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | raSter^: man apt-get |
| 02:43.41 | AleksEst | raster 3.2 |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | AleksEst: i'd wait for it to appear in backports |
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| 02:51.34 | raSter^ | i type uname -a |
| 02:51.50 | raSter^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.57 | raSter^ | old kernel? |
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| 02:52.06 | raSter^ | but this is vps so is it okay? |
| 02:52.17 | dvs | wtf kernel is that? |
| 02:52.25 | raSter^ | lol dvs |
| 02:52.29 | raSter^ | using debian 7 |
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| 02:58.50 | raSter^ | how do i install to the latest 3.2 kernel? |
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| 02:59.11 | dvs | raSter^: apt-get install kernel-image-amd64 |
| 02:59.16 | dvs | duh |
| 02:59.20 | raSter^ | sorry |
| 02:59.23 | dvs | raSter^: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 02:59.28 | dvs | that duh was for me. |
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| 02:59.58 | raSter^ | dvs i thought kernel gets installed too when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:00.22 | raSter^ | this first ---> apt-get install kernel-image-amd64 |
| 03:00.25 | dvs | raSter^: if linux-image-amd64 is installe |
| 03:00.30 | dvs | d |
| 03:00.31 | raSter^ | then ---> apt-get install linux-image-amd64 ? |
| 03:01.12 | raSter^ | should i update to the newest? does 2.6 have problems? |
| 03:01.20 | raSter^ | or its more stable? |
| 03:01.37 | dvs | raSter^: 3.2 should come with Debian 7 |
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| 03:01.52 | raSter^ | but i already have debian 7 |
| 03:01.58 | raSter^ | how come when i do uname -a its only 2.6? |
| 03:02.29 | dvs | raSter^: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:02.35 | AleksEst | Raster probably you will not be able to change kernel on vps. Ask support about that. |
| 03:03.08 | raSter^ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 03:03.08 | raSter^ | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:03.19 | raSter^ | i see AleksEst. okay |
| 03:03.29 | dvs | !ftp.debian.org |
| 03:03.29 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 03:03.39 | Th0masR0ss | he said pastebin not paste |
| 03:03.45 | raSter^ | sorry :/ |
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| 03:07.58 | raSter^ | so how come if your system is on vps |
| 03:08.04 | raSter^ | you sometimes cant update kernel |
| 03:08.11 | raSter^ | dont you have a total control over vps? |
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| 03:10.17 | AleksEst | Welcome to real life, raster |
| 03:11.48 | mumpitzel | raSter^: no. cause the way the VPS is implemented means all customers share the same kernel |
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| 03:12.08 | dvs | that sucks! |
| 03:12.10 | mumpitzel | or the kernel is outside the VPS filesystem |
| 03:12.21 | dvs | Now I know why the kernel version is so strange. |
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| 03:13.19 | AleksEst | Mumpitzel is it possible to load it in openvz or xen-only? |
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| 03:13.40 | mumpitzel | never in openvz. in xen depending how it's set up |
| 03:14.05 | mumpitzel | in all *vz the kernel is shared so only the hoster can change it |
| 03:15.14 | AleksEst | Raster switch to xen vps hosting then. Openvz are usually not god anyway |
| 03:15.37 | raSter^ | thankz |
| 03:15.54 | raSter^ | so thats the difference between openvz and xen? |
| 03:16.06 | AleksEst | Take a look on digitalocean.com |
| 03:16.11 | raSter^ | i always pick openvz because my thinking its the way to go when choosing Linux VPS |
| 03:16.30 | dvs | I see that xen is much more popular here |
| 03:17.07 | raSter^ | iniz.com only provide openvz |
| 03:17.15 | AleksEst | Openvz is like 40 old lady, xen are like 20 old girl |
| 03:17.24 | raSter^ | okay |
| 03:17.30 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:17.37 | raSter^ | so AleksEst you say if i get another vps, i should stick more to xen? |
| 03:17.59 | AleksEst | Raster definetly |
| 03:18.05 | raSter^ | but a 40 old lady means it has way more experience |
| 03:18.07 | raSter^ | oh anyway. |
| 03:18.12 | raSter^ | thanks for the tip |
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| 03:19.02 | raSter^ | but i think its more expensive |
| 03:19.28 | raSter^ | theres no cheap vps deals that may be running on xen. always openvz |
| 03:19.35 | raSter^ | ? |
| 03:19.41 | raSter^ | whats your thoughts on this |
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| 03:19.46 | raSter^ | anyway let me search now. |
| 03:20.07 | AleksEst | Digitalocean.com |
| 03:22.31 | raSter^ | okay |
| 03:22.37 | AleksEst | http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/vps-dedicated-colocation-hosting/28085-openvz-vs-xen-whats-difference-better.html |
| 03:23.01 | raSter^ | in most of the hosting company i see xen solution is always much more expensive compared to openvz. Even it has the same specs |
| 03:23.08 | AleksEst | Check out this link, you will get the idea |
| 03:24.36 | raSter^ | oh so Xen is like cheating. |
| 03:24.52 | raSter^ | i mean, it wants to be a dedicated server on a virtualized orientation eh? |
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| 03:26.13 | AleksEst | Well its intended that if you need vps you need dedicated resources and special access rights |
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| 03:26.56 | AleksEst | So I does not understand why we need openvz |
| 03:27.35 | raSter^ | for cheap operations |
| 03:27.39 | raSter^ | it still needed |
| 03:27.58 | AleksEst | Lowendbox.com is anotqher place for hosting deals |
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| 03:32.48 | raSter^ | thanks for all the links AleksEst :) |
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| 03:33.22 | AleksEst | Np |
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| 03:40.13 | anonnumberanon | Hi. |
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| 04:05.42 | muslimmasr | Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa??????? |
| 04:05.42 | muslimmasr | do they record and analyse every word we type???????????? |
| 04:05.42 | muslimmasr | Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa??????? |
| 04:05.42 | muslimmasr | do they record and analyse every word we type???????????? |
| 04:05.42 | muslimmasr | هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لصالح اسرائيل وامريكا؟؟؟؟؟؟ |
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| 04:08.42 | anonnumberanon | I have trouble nativating through my directory in order to check if things are in order on this new install. |
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| 04:14.22 | anonnumberanon | muslimmasr, yes tghey do |
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| 04:15.09 | LtL | anonnumberanon: he ran away. |
| 04:15.52 | LtL | anonnumberanon: why would you have trouble navigating directories? |
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| 04:17.41 | anonnumberanon | LtL, because the ls command shows nothing |
| 04:18.02 | anonnumberanon | I am supposed to have a /var/www but I can't get anywhere. |
| 04:18.13 | anonnumberanon | lol |
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| 04:19.21 | LtL | anonnumberanon: try /bin/ls ... maybe your path isn't set |
| 04:19.53 | LtL | anonnumberanon: nevermind, that would error... very odd. try dir |
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| 04:20.28 | anonnumberanon | dir does nothing |
| 04:20.49 | LtL | anonnumberanon: no output, or an error |
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| 04:21.31 | LtL | anonnumberanon: type `echo on` |
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| 04:22.53 | LtL | anonnumberanon: hrm, thats strange |
| 04:23.16 | Wamphyri | anyone used cloudflare for there dns? |
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| 04:24.49 | anonnumberanon | LtL, I went in / and now I see things, I could have swore I had already tried that! |
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| 04:29.56 | roboman2444 | jelly-home, i got it fixed |
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| 04:30.08 | roboman2444 | turned out in the upgrade the 3.9 kernel came through |
| 04:30.17 | roboman2444 | which messed up my drivers |
| 04:30.25 | roboman2444 | so i reinstalled them and rebooted, and now everything works |
| 04:33.10 | anonnumberanon | What is echo on/echo off for anyway? |
| 04:33.52 | kuroishi | man echo |
| 04:34.09 | kuroishi | it just echoes whatever you put after it |
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| 04:38.00 | LtL | years ago on some systems echo off would make the terminal not display any output. apparently that dosn't happen anymore |
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| 04:38.24 | LtL | *doesn't |
| 04:38.26 | kuroishi | that is a DOS thing |
| 04:38.39 | kuroishi | it turns off output for .bat scripts |
| 04:38.42 | LtL | omg, i remember now |
| 04:39.28 | anonnumberanon | I am trying to do a sudo and it's not in the sudoers file, can i HAve a link to setup sudo? maybe I should apt-get it? |
| 04:39.35 | LtL | kuroishi: yeah it works in scripts but i remember is would whack the terminal |
| 04:40.18 | kuroishi | anonnumberanon: you'll need to run visudo as the root user and add the user to the configuration before that user can sudo |
| 04:40.35 | anonnumberanon | oh thanks |
| 04:41.11 | moof2 | I guess they set up a sudo group too |
| 04:41.26 | moof2 | you could try adding yourself to that |
| 04:43.08 | kuroishi | oh right |
| 04:43.16 | kuroishi | I've been off in redhat land for too long |
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| 04:48.23 | anonnumberanon | kuroishi, I can't man visudo, or apt-get visudo, what is visudo? |
| 04:48.35 | sweb1 | shutdown -rF now will be scan all hard device with all partions ? |
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| 04:50.31 | kuroishi | it edits your sudo configuration in vi |
| 04:50.36 | kuroishi | or $EDITOR |
| 04:50.43 | moof2 | after it finishes shutting town, the machine will boot again (-r is reboot),,, once it starts, it will scan those that have been set up in /etc/fstab, and the pass column is nonzero |
| 04:51.03 | moof2 | , file bin/visudo |
| 04:51.12 | judd | Search for bin/visudo in wheezy/i386: sudo-ldap: usr/sbin/visudo; sudo: usr/sbin/visudo |
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| 04:51.35 | moof2 | so it's in sudo if you have sudo installed |
| 04:51.50 | moof2 | maybe you don't |
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| 04:53.21 | kuroishi | anonnumberanon: you should just add the user to the sudo group like moof2 said before |
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| 04:55.16 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, [ -e /usr/sbin/visudo ] && echo yes || echo no |
| 04:55.23 | anonnumberanon | ya I hate to Google things but I'll have to do that, I did it not too long ago |
| 04:55.56 | anonnumberanon | (I did the sudo thing but I think it was on Ubuntu, unsure) |
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| 04:59.29 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, type that into your shell... does it say yes or no? |
| 05:00.05 | anonnumberanon | -e: command not found |
| 05:00.06 | anonnumberanon | NO |
| 05:00.33 | moof2 | did you include the brackets? |
| 05:00.42 | anonnumberanon | -e /usr/sbin/visudo ] && echo yes || echo no |
| 05:00.47 | anonnumberanon | i typed that hang on |
| 05:00.56 | moof2 | you need theopening bracket |
| 05:00.58 | anonnumberanon | I dont recognize what the command (s ) is/are |
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| 05:01.16 | kuroishi | it's an if statement to see if that file exists |
| 05:01.24 | moof2 | [ ... ] is an alias for test |
| 05:01.57 | anonnumberanon | -e is for "exist" ? |
| 05:02.03 | moof2 | right. |
| 05:02.15 | anonnumberanon | command gives YES |
| 05:02.37 | moof2 | the part before the | can also be written test -e somefile | ... |
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| 05:03.00 | moof2 | ok, does whoami say root? |
| 05:03.32 | anonnumberanon | nope |
| 05:03.41 | anonnumberanon | i go in root? |
| 05:03.44 | anonnumberanon | su |
| 05:03.50 | moof2 | ok, you would have to run visudu as root |
| 05:04.05 | moof2 | I would suggest su - |
| 05:04.24 | anonnumberanon | whoami==root |
| 05:05.11 | moof2 | now if you look at "echo $PATH" you should see /usr/sbin |
| 05:06.17 | moof2 | which means you can run commands in that dir without fully qualifying them (aka visudu instead of /usr/sbin/visudo) |
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| 05:07.29 | toothpick | Wireless adapter: TP Link TLW722N. need help on installing on debian 7.0 |
| 05:07.39 | anonnumberanon | hey for echo $PATH, how come it shows me 5 paths? |
| 05:08.02 | moof2 | when you run a command, it will look in each of those paths |
| 05:08.12 | anonnumberanon | ooooh good to know |
| 05:08.13 | moof2 | starting with the leftmost one |
| 05:08.24 | moof2 | there is one more wrinkle... |
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| 05:09.23 | anonnumberanon | you did say visudu vs visudo, right?> |
| 05:09.29 | moof2 | if you type a command that has a / in it (like ./something or /usr/sbin/visudo), it will not search $PATH |
| 05:09.31 | toothpick | can anyone help me to install a wifi usb adapter? |
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| 05:10.22 | anonnumberanon | ok, while if I type the full path before it it will only execute THAT one |
| 05:10.36 | moof2 | toothpick, pls start by running lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 05:10.57 | moof2 | you'll probably get two lines (if you have a wired and a wireless nic) |
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| 05:11.40 | toothpick | moof2: how can i copy and paste that output of that machine to this one? Since the problem is on the other machine (not hooked up to the internet) sorry for noob question |
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| 05:11.52 | moof2 | the -nn will add a thing that looks like: [2345:abce] |
| 05:12.00 | moof2 | do you see those? |
| 05:12.23 | toothpick | 3f:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200] Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme |
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| 05:12.36 | toothpick | moof2: sorry i am trying to type out the result of that command you gave me |
| 05:12.57 | moof2 | you don't necessarily need to type the whole thing |
| 05:13.04 | moof2 | anyway, |
| 05:13.25 | toothpick | moof2: oh ok is that sufficient. That's all i see. I don't see the TP Link device |
| 05:13.46 | toothpick | moof2: I believe it is Atheros Based chip but i'm not 100% sure. |
| 05:13.54 | moof2 | the things that look like [2345:abce] are identifying numbers for the card |
| 05:14.41 | toothpick | moof2: I am a little bit confused. but the TP Link adapter in question is not even detected (drivers missing i assume) . Should it still show up in the command you gave me? |
| 05:14.54 | moof2 | did you say it's usb or pci or some other way of connecting the card? |
| 05:15.02 | toothpick | moof2: it is a usb device |
| 05:15.09 | moof2 | oh, oops :) |
| 05:15.13 | toothpick | moof2: should i try unplug it and replug it? |
| 05:15.17 | moof2 | try lsusb |
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| 05:15.29 | toothpick | moof2: ok going to give that a shot right now |
| 05:15.44 | moof2 | you;ll have to swim thru the output :) |
| 05:15.54 | Wamphyri | has anyone successfully setup mx records on cloudflare? |
| 05:16.14 | toothpick | moof2: i ran lsusb | grep Atheros |
| 05:16.25 | toothpick | moof2: I got the following output |
| 05:16.46 | toothpick | moof2: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications |
| 05:17.09 | toothpick | moof2: AR9271 802.11n |
| 05:17.12 | moof2 | I'll try that id |
| 05:17.17 | anonnumberanon | gedit /etc/sudoers |
| 05:17.20 | anonnumberanon | i tried that |
| 05:17.35 | moof2 | , pciid 0cf3:9271 |
| 05:17.36 | toothpick | moof2: ok i'll let you try it although i have no idea what all this means.. |
| 05:17.37 | judd | [0cf3:9271] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0cf3:9271 |
| 05:18.04 | anonnumberanon | And after typing that command I get multiple errors |
| 05:18.25 | toothpick | moof2: what should i do next? so this usb won't work with debian? |
| 05:18.41 | moof2 | well we haven't determined that |
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| 05:19.12 | toothpick | moof2: oh ok . i should continue with patience |
| 05:19.50 | moof2 | yeah, I just found an article that might interest you |
| 05:20.08 | moof2 | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2Fath9k_htc&ei=0HnKUZHaMMyQqwHrooGACg&usg=AFQjCNHKVxdMqSCq-VlMuFfI0jSYWKZKKQ&sig2=FDcScgVJ3npvXn-3CnmGuQ&bvm=bv.48340889,d.aWM |
| 05:20.54 | moof2 | aka http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 05:21.01 | toothpick | moof2: wow. neat looks like it is for me and straight from debian. but i don't understand most stuff on it |
| 05:21.32 | moof2 | do you understand kernel modules? |
| 05:22.13 | toothpick | moof2: yes. I believe those are drivers that plug into the kernel as "modules"? hm i have no idea what i'm talking about do i? |
| 05:22.40 | moof2 | yes, some kernel modules are device drivers. |
| 05:23.12 | toothpick | moof2: ok. so in that link, two options. free and non-free. which one do i want? |
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| 05:23.23 | moof2 | (others are drivers for things like filesystems, and still others implement kernel features) |
| 05:23.30 | anonnumberanon | moof2: I believe gedit is inaccessible from the command line for me right now, I can access it with the GUI but then once inside gedit it won't give me permission to open /etc/sudoers |
| 05:24.27 | anonnumberanon | doe sthat mean I need to fing the path uys9ing a combionation of $PATH and echo? |
| 05:24.31 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, probably the shell you're using lost access to the graphic X screen |
| 05:24.54 | anonnumberanon | no |
| 05:26.23 | toothpick | moof2: according to the documentation it says to modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:26.27 | moof2 | toothpick it looks like you have a coupla choices,,, you can actually compile the firmware |
| 05:26.45 | toothpick | moof2: i just did pico /etc/apt/sources.list and added that source for non-free driver |
| 05:27.19 | toothpick | moof2: and i just ran apt-get install firmware-atheros. right now it's doing it's thing |
| 05:27.24 | toothpick | moof2: fingers crossed |
| 05:28.05 | toothpick | moof2: OMG..... the TP Link green light is now ONNN! |
| 05:28.25 | toothpick | moof2: wow amazing community. its working now. this is second time. before someone named mill helped me fix my raid driver |
| 05:28.37 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, depends on what thowe errors were |
| 05:28.50 | moof2 | toothpick, ok, now try this: iwlist scan |
| 05:29.01 | moof2 | to answer this question: |
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| 05:29.13 | moof2 | do you see lots of access points? |
| 05:29.33 | toothpick | yes!! i see them all including my own access point ! |
| 05:29.59 | toothpick | it's alive now.. wow i was spinning in circles for 2 hours before this. with some help took like 5 mins lol. should have came here before |
| 05:30.10 | moof2 | great... so now your wireless seems to be working |
| 05:30.23 | toothpick | yes it's working. thx a bunch again! |
| 05:30.25 | moof2 | are you trying to install debian? |
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| 05:30.47 | Wamphyri | lol i remeber install debian in the 1.2v days |
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| 05:30.55 | Wamphyri | what a nightmare back then |
| 05:31.16 | toothpick | i already installed debian . initially raid was no go. someone helped me Here and fixed it |
| 05:31.29 | toothpick | and also wifi was no go. you helped me fixed that just now. all my devices are working now. |
| 05:31.32 | toothpick | so am happy |
| 05:31.44 | moof2 | ok, great |
| 05:31.52 | toothpick | thx |
| 05:32.14 | moof2 | so now you have to make a connection with your AP |
| 05:32.39 | toothpick | moof2: i already did using gnome's standard utility, the thingy on right corner that spins around in circle |
| 05:32.46 | moof2 | if you have wicd or nm, that process is pointy clicky |
| 05:33.27 | moof2 | ok, so then ping yahoo.com should work |
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| 05:33.54 | toothpick | moof2: yes, its working. iceweasel working like a charm |
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| 05:34.24 | toothpick | moof2: to summarize, why would anyone want free driver for this chip moof? they seem hard to work and install? |
| 05:34.57 | moof2 | some people feel uncomfortable with non-free stuff and they try to minimize it |
| 05:34.59 | toothpick | moof2: whereas non-free from deb source were just one line command away.. apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 05:35.10 | toothpick | moof2: oh ok. |
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| 05:36.16 | anonnumberanon | ok got it guys to get sudo do adduser$yourusername sudo |
| 05:36.36 | anonnumberanon | adduser $yourusername sudo |
| 05:36.52 | moof2 | yeah, then you would have to log out/log in for that group add to take effect |
| 05:37.08 | anonnumberanon | I had to reboot actually |
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| 05:37.25 | moof2 | oh, and you did that after doing the adduser? |
| 05:38.02 | anonnumberanon | ya but apparently logging out would have been sufficient] |
| 05:38.18 | toothpick | i know that question. moof is right log out and in was sufficient to add current user to sudo |
| 05:38.26 | moof2 | toothpick, plus it looks like you have to build the free firmware (not sure why they don't have it packaged yet) |
| 05:39.01 | toothpick | moof2: yeah exactly. that would have taken too long. i'm glad they have the packaged non-free . Works well. |
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| 05:41.15 | anonnumberanon | moof2, thanks for your knowledge |
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| 05:41.31 | moof2 | just pay it forward |
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| 05:42.11 | anonnumberanon | Will this do well or am I messing up the syntax? |
| 05:42.14 | anonnumberanon | sudo apt-get openssh-client openssh-server |
| 05:42.41 | anonnumberanon | moof2, I try |
| 05:42.44 | moof2 | apt-get has subcommands |
| 05:43.02 | moof2 | like apt-get somesubcommand foo bar baz |
| 05:43.18 | toothpick | anonnumberanon: sudo apt-get install <packagename> |
| 05:43.45 | anonnumberanon | I know but I'm getting more than one package as you can see behind apt-get |
| 05:43.48 | anonnumberanon | . |
| 05:43.53 | moof2 | that's fine |
| 05:44.05 | moof2 | apt-get install will accept multiple packages |
| 05:44.16 | Coburn | ... |
| 05:44.26 | beardy | Read the manual. |
| 05:44.27 | Coburn | sudo apt-get install nginx-full php5-fpm php5-gd php5-sqlite.... |
| 05:44.36 | Coburn | ^ perfectly valid example |
| 05:44.42 | anonnumberanon | beardy, I have it open and it looks mighty scary |
| 05:44.45 | beardy | Read the Debian Administration Guide. |
| 05:44.47 | toothpick | moof2: i actually didn't know that apt-get install accepts multiple packages. lol |
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| 05:44.57 | Coburn | single-command apt-get would be hell |
| 05:45.19 | moof2 | toothpick, certain situations would be very tedious without that |
| 05:46.06 | beardy | Reference, I mean.. |
| 05:46.09 | beardy | !reference |
| 05:46.09 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: «aptitude install debian-reference» |
| 05:46.24 | beardy | anonnumberanon: ^^^ |
| 05:46.27 | moof2 | ahh,,, so what's this channel for again? |
| 05:46.40 | beardy | Debian. |
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| 05:47.49 | ksuhku | http://bits.debian.org/2013/06/remove-debian-multimedia.html |
| 05:48.36 | moof2 | some people are idiots... what can you say... |
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| 05:49.30 | toothpick | moof2: there will always be some of those here and there. |
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| 05:50.04 | Wamphyri | you need them in life, make you appreciate the smarts you have |
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| 05:50.28 | anonnumberanon | beardy thanks I'll get that package |
| 05:50.48 | beardy | anonnumberanon: You're very welcome. |
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| 05:53.29 | toothpick | is there a simple samba configuration tool? Trying to avoid manually editing the smb.conf for my new debian machine. i'd mess it up |
| 05:54.20 | moof2 | so let's see, you get rid of dmm, and one thing that could happen as a result is they might find debian hostile and therefore undeserving, and stop producing stuff that people find useful |
| 05:54.45 | Coburn | valid example |
| 05:54.50 | Coburn | I watch a lot of 10bit anime. |
| 05:55.02 | Coburn | What if, debian core repo have codecs that break 10bit playback |
| 05:55.11 | Coburn | while dmm has the fixed codecs |
| 05:55.23 | Coburn | dmm "disappears" |
| 05:55.33 | Coburn | I need to reinstall debian and get the fixed codecs |
| 05:55.37 | Coburn | whoops, I can't |
| 05:55.39 | moof2 | and you cna't watch the aname |
| 05:55.50 | Coburn | yep |
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| 05:56.07 | Coburn | some people are just stubborn |
| 05:56.18 | moof2 | don't get me started :) |
| 05:56.28 | Coburn | and I don't want to use VLC... that thing is a mess and a half |
| 05:56.33 | Coburn | MPlayer kthxbai |
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| 06:01.52 | anonnumberanon | Coburn I don't know what's involved with 10bit anime but VLC has always been the go-to player for me. |
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| 06:11.25 | Coburn | anonnumberanon: it's not that... it's just that VLC brings in overkill features |
| 06:11.28 | Coburn | I just like simple things |
| 06:11.38 | Coburn | well |
| 06:11.45 | Coburn | simple, but not OS X Simple |
| 06:11.55 | Coburn | I hate that fruity company with all my fury |
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| 06:13.03 | toothpick | sorry guys.. one more thing. i installed samba but having a little trouble configuring the smb.conf |
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| 06:13.22 | toothpick | the folders are shared but i cannot login to them from a windows machine. |
| 06:13.30 | toothpick | or access them i should say |
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| 06:14.05 | scootypuff | did you set up an user account for samba? |
| 06:14.24 | anonnumberanon | Coburn, but do you use Apple hardware though? |
| 06:14.29 | Coburn | Nope |
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| 06:26.11 | kingsley | Why would Adobe's Shockwave player test page (http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/) say "A plugin is needed to display this content" when the "flashplugin-nonfree" package is installed and iceweasel->Tools->Add-Ons says Shockwave Flash is installed? |
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| 06:29.29 | arrith1 | hi, i'd like to format some ext3 or ext4 with the default options that the installer uses if you choose one big / and to put everything in that. is there a way to tell mkfs "use the same options as this filesystem"? |
| 06:29.45 | arrith1 | specifically what debian squeeze does |
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| 06:31.48 | moof2 | it's probably the default for mkfs |
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| 06:36.16 | arrith1 | moof2: i kind of assume that, but i'd rather be sure |
| 06:37.24 | moof2 | can we dig in a little further? |
| 06:37.52 | arrith1 | moof2: sure, how should we do the digging? |
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| 06:38.12 | moof2 | first I got curious about what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 06:39.24 | arrith1 | moof2: i have a VM inside KVM that i'm downloading a lot into, turns out the virtio qcow2 harddrive i gave it is not big enough so i want to add another disk to fill |
| 06:39.46 | arrith1 | i can create and add the disk and all, just how to format it |
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| 06:40.24 | moof2 | do you use lvm? |
| 06:40.32 | arrith1 | moof2: i didn't on this |
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| 06:41.04 | moof2 | ok, so you're looking to copy the entire system onto a new disk? |
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| 06:42.27 | arrith1 | moof2: nope, just make a new blank disk then add it on on bootup. same as putting a new hdd into the chassis of computer on a new SATA port sorta |
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| 06:42.40 | arrith1 | er rather, it will be recognized on bootup |
| 06:42.45 | arrith1 | i'll add it when the VM is powered off |
| 06:43.17 | moof2 | so you want additional storage on new mount points? |
| 06:43.38 | arrith1 | moof2: ye |
| 06:43.39 | arrith1 | yes |
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| 06:46.07 | moof2 | as you may know... if you wanted to you could add a disk a little larger than the original, put a /boot on a primary partition and an lvm PV on another primary... |
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| 06:46.46 | moof2 | then add LVs the size of the existing partitions (do you have just one?) |
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| 06:48.49 | Blue1 | !k9copy |
| 06:49.08 | moof2 | well the basic deal is, copy your system over to the new drive which has been prepared using LVM, then once everythign is copied, make a PV spanning the whole original drive, and simply add it to the volume group originally formed on the new drive |
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| 06:50.41 | Blue1 | i have the debian multimedia repo added but I can;'t find k9copy (wheezy/64 bit) |
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| 06:50.55 | arrith1 | moof2: sorry, did i miss anything? |
| 06:51.06 | moof2 | well the basic deal is, copy your system over to the new drive which has been prepared using LVM, then once everythign is copied, make a PV spanning the whole original drive, and simply add it to the volume group originally formed on the new drive |
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| 06:51.24 | arrith1 | moof2: much more involved than just mkfs'ing a disk |
| 06:51.43 | moof2 | then you'd have the equiv of unpartitioned space you can add to any lv |
| 06:51.56 | moof2 | it is more involved |
| 06:52.49 | arrith1 | also not two disks |
| 06:52.55 | arrith1 | for backup purposes it's kind of nice having simple disk iamges |
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| 06:53.16 | moof2 | sure |
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| 06:53.43 | arrith1 | well i'll poke around about what info i can get a filesystem to display and try to get as close as possible with mkfs |
| 06:53.54 | arrith1 | i appreciate the 'proper way', this is kind of a short-term thing though |
| 06:54.24 | moof2 | the proper way is really the way you want to do this... |
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| 06:54.54 | moof2 | I suggested the lvm approach as a way to have flexible storage |
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| 06:57.56 | moof2 | after that, you're right, things get more involved as you would have to image the PVs on both disks |
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| 07:19.55 | anonnumberanon | Does irc encryption use the same encryption as ssh protocol? |
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| 07:20.39 | psnider85 | Only if you set the server to use a certificate. |
| 07:21.08 | joltcan | anonnumberanon: encryption for IRC servers are usualla just SSL/TLS, SSH is usually others, and highly configurable based on client/server support, so no |
| 07:21.43 | anonnumberanon | cool |
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| 07:23.09 | joltcan | that said, ssl/ssh could use the same encryption, it depends on how it's configured |
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| 07:26.50 | doebi | i have a thinkpad and installed 'gpointing-device-settings' but i cant see my trackpoint in settings.. |
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| 07:31.24 | Iridos | ssl can also be configured to use any of a number of encryption schemes... no idea though how to find out which one an irc client would use... possibly the first off a list that the server offers |
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| 07:33.22 | johnny_net | Hey, I was wondering when we might get mumble 1.2.4 on debian? |
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| 07:34.08 | Iridos | In stable? In 2-3 years with the next release |
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| 07:39.36 | chomwitt | goodmorning from Hellas. I experience a problem in cheese (in wheezy) and http://tinyurl.com/qfx2bph a friend asks for a backtrace (i guess.. :-) . Should also download the cheese sources and compile it with debug symbols? |
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| 07:41.39 | chomwitt | sorry, the program i have problem with is 'basket' |
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| 07:44.49 | Iridos | it's not as if ssh tells what encryption it uses either... weird.. mine seems to use aes128-ctr ... at least with a nearby server |
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| 07:47.37 | Iridos | chomwitt, so this isn't about cheese at all? |
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| 07:49.12 | doebi | anyone else having trouble with adblock plus in iceweasel? |
| 07:49.28 | doebi | it doesnt block any ads at all. and i can't remove it. |
| 07:49.41 | chomwitt | Iridos: i have also problem with cheese, but the link i gave was about the problem i have with basket |
| 07:50.59 | chomwitt | Iridos: i'm not experienced in sending backtraces though so i'd like to know if i must enable the src-repository and download the sources to build again |
| 07:51.37 | Iridos | chomwitt, and the bug says what to do... get kdelibs5-dbg ... anyway, before recompiling it with debug symbols, I'd look if the backtrace already contains anything useful... if it doesn't, still time to do stuff that takes longer than the 20 seconds for a backtrace |
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| 07:53.34 | Iridos | doesn't sound as if you'd take a long time to produce a crash, at least |
| 07:54.08 | Iridos | time for coffee |
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| 07:57.00 | JuPaname|2 | irc://irc.JuPaname.fr |
| 07:57.17 | chomwitt | Iridos: but what means 'kde' debug package? |
| 07:57.27 | chomwitt | Iridos: i dont find one |
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| 08:02.20 | Iridos | well, I'd say kdelibs5-dbg ... |
| 08:02.30 | Iridos | not that I'm an intimate friend with debian kde packages |
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| 08:03.53 | Iridos | that does contain new versions of libkdecore.so.5.* and libkdeui.so.5.* |
| 08:03.58 | Iridos | which basket uses |
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| 08:04.19 | Iridos | anyway, much more useful to do that iteratively from wherever the crash leads |
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| 08:05.09 | chomwitt | Iridos: ok. i found kdelibs5-dbg |
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| 08:05.41 | chomwitt | Iridos: i'll try to search if more kde dbg packages are needed |
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| 08:08.42 | NTQ | Hi. I'm using LMDE with Cinnamon and everytime I want to use a new wireless network I have to enter my password to administrator privileges twice. How can I achieve that I don't have to enter the password for a simple wifi connection? |
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| 08:20.00 | anonnumberanon | NTQ, do you know how to write scripts? |
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| 08:20.13 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 08:20.28 | Wulf | where can I see which mysqld version was used in woody and potato? |
| 08:20.53 | NTQ | anonnumberanon: Yes, I do. |
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| 08:21.19 | anonnumberanon | may use a script then? |
| 08:21.39 | kimmaria | hello. anybody know how to speed up Chrome startup time? |
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| 08:23.09 | NTQ | I want to use the GUI furthermore. I know other distributions like LM14, Ubuntu where I don't have to enter my password to get a wifi connection. |
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| 08:23.55 | anonnumberanon | yes, or with Debian you don't, which this channel is for? |
| 08:24.01 | Wulf | never mind, foundit |
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| 08:25.18 | kimmaria | hello. anybody know how to speed up Chrome startup time? |
| 08:25.48 | NTQ | anonnumberanon: I thought Linux Mint Debian Edition were some sort of debian and i could use this channel for this. |
| 08:26.08 | psnider85 | Mint have their own channel. |
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| 08:31.07 | anonnumberanon | NTQ, ye good luck on #Mint |
| 08:31.08 | Iridos | NTQ, #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org (or also http://forums.linuxmint.com/ ) |
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| 08:32.41 | zooz | hey people |
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| 08:33.11 | Iridos | admittedly, I also wouldn't know the answer for a debian system ... there's a plethora of DEs or networky-managers, all of them probably behave somewhat differently |
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| 08:34.14 | Iridos | the network manager for gnome doesn't need you to enter any root passwords... not sure how it's done though... obviously you will have to have privilege escalation at some point |
| 08:34.24 | kimmaria | hello. anybody know how to speed up Chrome startup time? |
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| 08:34.55 | Iridos | kimmaria, debian has chromium-browser packaged... chrome comes from google directly... |
| 08:35.05 | Iridos | anyway, chromium-browser doesn't start up slowly for me |
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| 08:35.51 | kimmaria | iridos when i first startup the system it does |
| 08:36.01 | kimmaria | iridos the next time it start extreme fast |
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| 08:36.28 | Iridos | if that's directly after boot, the system is probably still busy with other boot-related stuff |
| 08:36.37 | Iridos | apart from that, I'd think your disk is slow? |
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| 08:36.53 | psnider85 | SSD ;) |
| 08:37.24 | kimmaria | iridos i have 4 gb ram |
| 08:37.27 | Iridos | I only have chromium-browser from debian... dunno how different that is |
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| 08:41.00 | Iridos | for that I'd look if du -hs .config/chromium/ shows that it's exceptionally large |
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| 08:51.43 | kimmaria | iridos i know... when looking in "Task Manager" i can see that chome uses almost 100mb of ram :P |
| 08:52.03 | Iridos | that's not unusual |
| 08:52.32 | kimmaria | nope.. but it takes hell of a long time to start it the first time |
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| 08:52.39 | Iridos | you can see on the page about:memory what uses it |
| 08:52.40 | kimmaria | guess its nothing to do about it |
| 08:53.08 | Iridos | dunno... does it open/restore 200 different windows? |
| 08:53.29 | kimmaria | nope |
| 08:53.49 | Iridos | that's what usually takes time when i have to start it ever again... |
| 08:54.02 | Iridos | but the first window that asks if it should do it is fast :P |
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| 08:54.17 | Iridos | dunno... guess you could always strace it |
| 08:54.58 | Iridos | perhaps you have some stale sshfs or nfs mount or something... but that typically hits later than on startup (i.e. when you want to open/upload a file) |
| 08:55.22 | kimmaria | okejk |
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| 09:01.59 | kimmaria | anyone can help with a step on this guide: http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/366-nspluginwrapper-on-debian.html |
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| 09:04.21 | oliver3 | Does anybody know if it's possible to override the packages that another package provides? |
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| 09:06.50 | nkuttler | oliver3: what do you mean? |
| 09:07.17 | nkuttler | kimmaria: what's your question? |
| 09:07.38 | kimmaria | nkuttler think i solved it now :D |
| 09:07.42 | kimmaria | thanks anyway! |
| 09:07.50 | oliver3 | nkuttler: I need to install a package that depends on sun-java6-jre, which is no longer available. openjdk-6-jre would suffice but it's not listed as a dependency for the package, so I can't install it. |
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| 09:08.17 | nkuttler | !tell oliver3 about equivs |
| 09:08.22 | oliver3 | nkuttler: I need to tell apt that openjdk-6-jre is a suitable replacement for sun-java6-jre (as if sun-java6-jre were in the Provides section of the package) |
| 09:08.50 | oliver3 | nkuttler: awesome, thanks :D |
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| 09:12.29 | zw | Hi. |
| 09:13.03 | zw | I have a question where nagios people don't have an answer on. I'm tesing a certain nagios plugin called check_apt. |
| 09:13.16 | zw | But when I run it I get dpkg: error: PATH is not set. |
| 09:13.26 | zw | When I echo $PATH everything is ok |
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| 09:14.07 | zw | I also tried this |
| 09:14.10 | zw | PATH=/usr/bin DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive /tmp/check_apt --upgrade="-qq -y --force-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" --fix-missing" -v |
| 09:14.21 | zw | But still dpkg gives me that error. |
| 09:14.23 | zw | Any ideas ? |
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| 09:16.08 | ChrisH | zw: I am using that check_apt too without any problems. I am using omd 0.56 for nagios |
| 09:16.54 | ChrisH | zw: my service definition is simple: sudo $USER1$/check_apt -t 60 -u |
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| 09:19.11 | zw | ChrisH: My plan is to actually use it to do upgrades also, are you doing security upgrades automatically via the plugin ? |
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| 09:21.42 | ChrisH | zw: No. I simply want to be notified about upgradable stuff. |
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| 09:24.08 | dupa | how show codename |
| 09:24.11 | dupa | under debian |
| 09:24.16 | dupa | there is some variable? |
| 09:24.28 | dupa | issue have number, i wanna codename |
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| 09:25.50 | doebi | the preinstalled package xul-ext-adblock-plus is not working for me. i removed it and installed adb from inside iceweasle, and it's still not working. what do i miss? |
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| 09:26.32 | ksuhku | dupa, lsb_release -sc |
| 09:26.45 | dupa | thanks! |
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| 09:28.04 | dupa | # dpkg --list | grep apache2 | awk '{ if ($2=="apache2") print $2 ":" $3 ":"}' && printf $(lsb_release -sc) |
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| 09:28.07 | dupa | apache2:2.2.22-13: |
| 09:28.10 | dupa | wheezy |
| 09:28.11 | dupa | any idea, how write in same line? |
| 09:28.12 | dupa | :) |
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| 09:28.26 | mrkiko | Hi guys! I'm testing debian sid on a mips device right now; I checked memory usage and configured the cache properly but apt dies with a "bus error" |
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| 09:28.35 | mrkiko | can someone give me some infos? |
| 09:28.56 | dupa | apt-get clean maybe? |
| 09:28.56 | mrkiko | aptitude instead, segfaults |
| 09:29.58 | ChrisH | mrkiko: Bus error es here explained: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault Bus error and SEGV are similar faults. |
| 09:30.00 | zw | ChrisH: update is working for me, it is the upgrade that is not working |
| 09:30.10 | doebi | anyone else having troubles with adblock plus in wheezy? |
| 09:30.32 | babilen | doebi: What kind of troubles? |
| 09:30.41 | doebi | babilen: it's simply not working |
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| 09:31.12 | mrkiko | ChrisH: thank you ... that's clear. the problem is I don't understand why, since there is memory enough |
| 09:31.21 | babilen | doebi: How did you install it? I'd like to note that we more or less discourage users from using the xul-ext-adblock-plus (or xul-ext-*) packages but advise them to install it directly. |
| 09:31.30 | mrkiko | and the bus error is produced while "reading package database" after an apt-get update |
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| 09:31.38 | babilen | doebi: And is this with iceweasel? |
| 09:31.42 | mrkiko | Might e the fpu emulator? |
| 09:31.59 | doebi | babilen: i set up firefox sync in iceweasel and it got installed |
| 09:32.38 | doebi | i removed xul-ext-adb... and installed it manually in iceweasel and still no success |
| 09:32.48 | babilen | doebi: Which version of iceweasel do you use? Could it be that it is enabled because your iceweasel version is to old? Could you check in the add-on settings? |
| 09:33.09 | doebi | babilen: icweasel 17.0.6 |
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| 09:33.51 | doebi | babilen: adbp 2.1 last updated today |
| 09:33.54 | babilen | doebi: Could you check in the add-on settings? It might provide a reason why it is not enabled -- Also check if you can configure it as you have to enable filter lists for it to work. Give me a second and I'll try 17.0.6 here. |
| 09:34.01 | babilen | doebi: And is it enabled? |
| 09:34.06 | doebi | babilen: yes |
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| 09:34.48 | ChrisH | mrkiko: none of these faults is expected to happen on low memory situations. It can be triggered by faulty HW or faulty commands/libs. 1. If possible I would restart the system first. 2. allow core dump creation ulimit -c unlimited and check the dump with eg. gdb 3. search google for the stacktrace you got. |
| 09:34.55 | babilen | doebi: But it does not actually block ads? |
| 09:35.09 | doebi | babilen: nope |
| 09:35.33 | babilen | doebi: Okay, I take it that you already checked that you enabled a number of filter lists given that I mentioned that earlier. Could you confirm that? |
| 09:35.47 | mrkiko | ChrisH: right.. XD trying |
| 09:36.05 | doebi | babilen: well, the standard 'easylist' is enabled |
| 09:36.11 | doebi | babilen: but no custom filters |
| 09:36.48 | doebi | babilen: lol, i upadted the list and now it works |
| 09:36.58 | doebi | babilen: ty |
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| 09:37.09 | doebi | weird thought that it doesnt upadte itself |
| 09:37.14 | babilen | doebi: You are welcome -- I guess that you simply haven't downloaded filter rules at all. |
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| 09:37.38 | doebi | babilen: well, i thought standard rules are applied as default |
| 09:37.42 | babilen | doebi: No idea, it would IMHO be the sensible thing to do, but then that has little to do with Debian. |
| 09:38.09 | doebi | babilen: ye, sry i thought its cause of the system-version of adbp |
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| 09:42.02 | mrkiko | does a mips soft-float port exist, like for arm, or not? |
| 09:42.06 | ksuhku | dupa, you could use echo -n |
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| 09:49.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea of a tool that can make statically-linked executables from dynamically-linked ones? I tried prelink but it doesn't convert all the way. |
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| 09:55.03 | ChrisH | Eduard_Munteanu: my first idea was to answer: gcc/ld but I am not sure if they can handle executables. Why to you want to do such things? |
| 09:55.32 | Iridos | to migrate binaries :P |
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| 09:55.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | ChrisH: in this particular case I want to get my Gentoo-built cross-compiler onto a Debian chroot |
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| 09:56.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | But arguably that would be useful in quite a few different scenarios. |
| 09:57.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Keeping around .a's is annoying. |
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| 10:10.41 | dupa | anyidea how list debian packages in CPE notation (Common Platform Enumeration)? |
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| 10:14.40 | babilen | dupa: Looks as if it is cpe:/a:debian:$PKG |
| 10:15.47 | babilen | dupa: I also have the impression that Petter Reinholdtsen is involved in this so you might want to contact him about this. |
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| 10:53.14 | zw | Hi. |
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| 10:54.19 | zw | Anyone has a clue why I get a dpkg: error: PATH is not set running a script to automate upgrades ? :/ I already added "setenv("PATH","/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin",1);" to the code ... same error. |
| 10:54.23 | zw | :/ |
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| 10:54.45 | Netsnipe | zw: are you running dpkg from within a deleted directory? |
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| 10:55.05 | zw | Netsnipe: No. I'm really getting desperate from that error |
| 10:55.33 | zw | Netsnipe: I'm trying to run a nagios plugin to automate updates, but I can't get it to upgrade due to that error ... very strange. |
| 10:55.53 | zw | It is a plugin written in c, that is why I added setenv("PATH","/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin",1); |
| 10:56.03 | zw | But for some reason it keeps on spitting that error |
| 10:56.11 | Netsnipe | zw: eek. why are on earth are you using nagios to patch your box? |
| 10:56.25 | Netsnipe | zw: have you looked into unattended-upgrades? |
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| 10:57.18 | Netsnipe | zw: I wouldn't be surprised if the environment that Nagios plugins are run are severely restricted for security reasons |
| 10:57.25 | Netsnipe | s/run/run in/ |
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| 10:59.48 | zw | Netsnipe: I'm running the plugin as root on cli |
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| 11:00.48 | zw | Netsnipe: maybe I can tell you my bigger problem. I have +500 debian servers that we maintain for customers. We need a way to do security updates automated, but with reporting if all updates where sucessful. And be able to trigger them at a certain point (for example once a month) |
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| 11:01.44 | hypnocat | when i type "dommainname" at a shell prompt, the answer i receive is "(none)" ... how can i change this to "foo.com" ? |
| 11:02.34 | ChrisH | hypnocat: man domainname states: domainname will print the NIS domainname of the system. |
| 11:02.47 | hypnocat | ah |
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| 11:02.52 | hypnocat | thanks |
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| 11:03.57 | Netsnipe | zw: unattended-upgrades can generate reports and email them off |
| 11:04.11 | babilen | zw: So, what's wrong with puppet? And you might want to consider raising this topic on debian-user rather than coming here every day ;) |
| 11:04.31 | Netsnipe | zw: but if you want to fire upgrades only on certain boxes, you might want to look into mcollective + puppet |
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| 11:04.39 | CommaCrazy | hi all |
| 11:04.41 | Netsnipe | babilen: puppet by itself won't be enough |
| 11:04.43 | babilen | zw: We've mentioned unattenden-upgrades, cron-apt and puppet + various bits of documentation quite frequently in the last week. |
| 11:04.52 | ksuhku | http://bits.debian.org/2013/06/remove-debian-multimedia.html |
| 11:05.18 | Netsnipe | babilen: puppet is a configuration manager. it knows what the end state of a machine should be, but it's an all or nothing proposition really. |
| 11:05.25 | babilen | zw: Please take a look at thow these tools might fit together and gather information in other places as well. There really is no point in starting this over and over from scratch in #debian |
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| 11:05.55 | zw | babilen: ok |
| 11:05.55 | Netsnipe | zw: I suspect what's happening in your nagios problem is that $PATH is fundamentally a shell issue. |
| 11:06.05 | zw | Netsnipe: ok. |
| 11:06.11 | Netsnipe | zw: and whatever you're trying to do within your C code, Nagios is stripping it out. |
| 11:06.23 | zw | can I configure unatt updates to do security updates only ? |
| 11:06.25 | Netsnipe | zw: because ultimately, that's what's spawning your plugin process. |
| 11:06.26 | babilen | Netsnipe: We pointed out http://www.puppetcookbook.com/posts/latest-package.html |
| 11:06.43 | Netsnipe | zw: yes |
| 11:07.13 | babilen | zw: If you track stable you'll get security upgrades and those to grave bugs anyway - That is the definition of stable. |
| 11:07.18 | Netsnipe | zw: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
| 11:07.40 | Netsnipe | Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins { "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security"; } |
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| 11:10.13 | zw | Netsnipe: nice, and one last question, can I schedule it at a certain point ? |
| 11:10.14 | babilen | "you'll only get" rather |
| 11:10.42 | Netsnipe | zw: you can stick unattended-upgrades into a cron job |
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| 11:11.29 | zw | Netsnipe: when is it supposed to run default ? |
| 11:11.30 | Netsnipe | zw: but if you have a massive cluster where you need to patch A / B clusters, you'll need something like mcollective. |
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| 11:11.54 | caraconan | Hi there. How do you describe systems such as Facebook, Twitter and so on, "social media", "social networks"...? |
| 11:12.07 | torun | "useless"? |
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| 11:12.42 | Netsnipe | zw: it's not configured to do anything by default. |
| 11:12.47 | Netsnipe | zw: Read /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README |
| 11:13.04 | babilen | (and back again) |
| 11:16.53 | CommaCrazy | question, even after putting the 3 source lists for debian 7.1 I still cannot do apt-get install php-gd php-snmp |
| 11:16.56 | CommaCrazy | they both fail |
| 11:17.23 | Netsnipe | php5-gd |
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| 11:17.48 | Netsnipe | CommaCrazy: apt-cache search <string> is your friend. |
| 11:17.57 | babilen | zw: And please also look into apt-dater, cron-apt the puppet recipes (that I asked you to discuss in #puppet) the various cluster management services and ... well, read your logs. |
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| 11:23.51 | bezaban | ,v salt |
| 11:23.52 | judd | No package named 'salt' was found in i386. |
| 11:24.00 | bezaban | ,v saltstack |
| 11:24.01 | judd | No package named 'saltstack' was found in i386. |
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| 11:24.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell bezaban -about search |
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| 11:25.01 | bezaban | thanks :) |
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| 11:25.20 | bezaban | realized it's not in though |
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| 11:25.46 | babilen | bezaban: Also please use "/msg judd" or "/msg dpkg" to message our bot. You can find documentation for judd on http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ -- What are you looking for? |
| 11:26.32 | babilen | judd: i salt-master |
| 11:26.34 | judd | No package named 'salt-master' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 11:26.39 | babilen | judd: i salt-master --release sid |
| 11:26.40 | judd | Package salt-master (admin, optional) in sid/i386: remote manager to administer servers via salt. Version: 0.15.1-1; Size: 22.0k; Installed: 102k; Homepage: http://saltstack.org/ |
| 11:26.47 | bezaban | saltstack, apparently they use their own repo |
| 11:26.48 | babilen | bezaban: that ^^ ? |
| 11:26.57 | bezaban | ah nice, in sid. yes, thanks :) |
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| 11:27.59 | babilen | bezaban: You might be able to backport salt-* from sid to wheezy by following the recipe in "/msg dpkg ssb". apt-src might come in handy in that context too. |
| 11:28.28 | babilen | bezaban: You could also configure your own repository and maintain your very own backport there if you need it for a number of boxes. |
| 11:28.30 | bezaban | I'm thinking it should be straight forward enough since I think it's basically just pythion |
| 11:29.01 | babilen | yeah, all build-dependencies are satisfied in wheezy |
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| 11:29.29 | bezaban | and that's a pretty good idea, never have set up a local repo :) |
| 11:29.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell bezaban -about reprepro |
| 11:30.03 | bezaban | the bot-fu is with you ;) |
| 11:30.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell bezaban about own repo |
| 11:30.07 | babilen | indeed :) |
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| 11:37.41 | CommaCrazy | ty Netsnipe it should have been php5-gd and php5-snmp |
| 11:38.13 | Netsnipe | CommaCrazy: you're welcome. |
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| 11:41.01 | orp | hi |
| 11:41.20 | orp | any one have use radio broadcast servers ? |
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| 11:42.01 | orp | I am looking forward to make my own can you please add some clues ? |
| 11:43.00 | orp | i would like to broadcast radio stations and tv include my own |
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| 11:43.27 | orp | what server should I use |
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| 11:44.57 | ChrisH | orp: ain't that more a legal issue. like are you allowed to do that? |
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| 11:46.25 | HelenaKitty | Hello |
| 11:46.55 | HelenaKitty | Does anyone know of a curses music player? I'm currently using ncmpcpp but I want to get rid of mpd because it's using up all my CPU. |
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| 11:49.19 | proxy1 | mocp |
| 11:49.24 | HelenaKitty | proxy1: What? |
| 11:49.42 | proxy1 | mocp is good... |
| 11:49.59 | proxy1 | has an ffmpeg lib plugin too.. |
| 11:50.13 | proxy1 | and it is ncurses based. |
| 11:51.18 | proxy1 | http://moc.daper.net/ |
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| 11:57.29 | orp | yes i will do it legal |
| 11:57.38 | orp | no worries |
| 11:58.04 | orp | i just need to know what server should I use |
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| 12:00.37 | tralala | orp, you can start with vlc and when you gain enough experience you will be able to decide what to do next |
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| 12:01.25 | orp | mate I have a few station already legal i just want broadcast over web |
| 12:02.04 | orp | i want some server to server |
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| 12:02.18 | Seb | when I resume my laptop from sleep, my wifi connection is gone |
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| 12:02.22 | Seb | where can I start looking about that ? |
| 12:02.42 | tralala | orp, I mean digital broadcasting experience, not general. Are you asking for a hosting service for video/audio files? |
| 12:03.08 | orp | i have a server and a dedicate line to do it |
| 12:03.33 | orp | just need a broadcast server to broadcast video and radio |
| 12:03.50 | tralala | Seb, if you don't use NetworkManager you'll need to put some hooks to restart wifi upon wakeup |
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| 12:05.08 | tralala | orp, I don't know what you mean by broadcast server, but vlc can broadcast both video and audio. Have you considered it? |
| 12:05.30 | orp | yes i will read about |
| 12:05.36 | orp | thank you anyway |
| 12:05.48 | orp | is already a great help |
| 12:06.20 | abrotman | tralala: i think he means more like icecast |
| 12:06.58 | orp | icecast lovely |
| 12:07.08 | orp | have you use it mate ? |
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| 12:10.27 | orp | seb check in </etc/network/interfaces> |
| 12:10.35 | paullik | Hello. I plan on installing debian on two secondary computers of mine due to its stability, what I want to know is if I can upgrade between versions (such as squeeze to wheezy) without having to reinstall the systeM? |
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| 12:10.42 | abrotman | orp: try it and see |
| 12:10.50 | orp | ok |
| 12:10.55 | abrotman | paullik: yes, that's a big benefit of Debian |
| 12:10.56 | orp | i will |
| 12:11.00 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell paullik about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:11.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nevermind |
| 12:11.32 | ChrisH | paullik: I am currently doing exactly this step and it looks like the only impact is, I need to reboot once :) |
| 12:11.43 | tralala | paullik, upgrading the system (specifically the kernel) requires a reboot |
| 12:11.47 | paullik | yeah, that's not a problem |
| 12:12.14 | tralala | oh, sorry Ι read reinstall as restart |
| 12:12.16 | paullik | good, will do in the following weeks, thanks guys |
| 12:12.21 | tralala | yes, you can upgrade |
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| 12:12.45 | leehambley | hi all, how can I modify a netboot image to replace debianinstaller with my own completely unattended (partition, and unpack a tarball) |
| 12:12.54 | ChrisH | paullik: I wanted to show you the upgrade steps are well documented and smoothly. Come back here before you upgrade to get the latest instructions from our bot. |
| 12:13.13 | leehambley | I'm done with the scripting side, and can unpack/modify the iso and initrd.gz, but I'm lost at how to get from grub options to the kernel, to running the debian installer |
| 12:13.23 | leehambley | which is where I need to place my script |
| 12:13.26 | paullik | ChrisH, well, I'll certainly be here after I install it |
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| 12:13.59 | tralala | leehambley, did you know about fai? |
| 12:14.09 | leehambley | tralala: it's not applicable in this case, but I do indeed know |
| 12:14.22 | tralala | ok, just making sure |
| 12:14.35 | leehambley | this is about CI for a hardware installation process, Jenkins will control one of our hardware boxes over the AMT port, and then expect the box to PXE boot |
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| 12:15.05 | leehambley | but we need to setup LVM partitions, format them and then unpack a known-good tarball (to save time, really, our existing solution is pxeboot to preseed, but it takes ~1.5 hours to install the OS and system packages) |
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| 12:15.41 | leehambley | two open problems are 1) how to boot to our script from netboot, and 2) I didn't find (yet) a netboot image containing the lvm tools, but I figure I can solve that |
| 12:15.52 | leehambley | I'm just missing how one specifys that debian installer should be called |
| 12:16.41 | leehambley | ( I suppose the same qustion could be asked about how does a regular kernel know to boot "init", which I also never really thought about) |
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| 12:17.28 | chomwitt | hi. i want to debug and send a backtrace of 'basket' (a kde note app) in wheezy. . except kdelibs-dbg package wil i need another one ? |
| 12:17.33 | tralala | leehambley, the regular kernel must have some hard-coded default. It also takes an init= boot parameter |
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| 12:17.41 | grumper | o/ |
| 12:17.51 | tralala | perhaps you can start the installer this way |
| 12:17.54 | leehambley | tralala: that might be worth a look |
| 12:18.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell paullik about ig |
| 12:18.09 | grumper | the list of debian installer options I found here does not seem to have a version http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/tmp/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 12:18.18 | grumper | is there an updated wheezy-specific list? |
| 12:18.19 | Seb | tralala: sorry got afk for a little bit |
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| 12:18.24 | tralala | leehambley, another options would be a custom initrd |
| 12:18.34 | Seb | tralala: what kind of hooks are we talking about ? I use either wicd-curses, or ifup directly |
| 12:19.21 | leehambley | well tralala: I might be barking up the wrong tree, because the netinst initrd is just a *tiny* busybox |
| 12:19.27 | tralala | Seb, see man pm-suspend. You can put a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d that will ifdown and ifup the wifi |
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| 12:19.34 | leehambley | and I don't know if that's really hte place I need to hack |
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| 12:21.09 | tralala | leehambley, unfortunately I'm not much into the boot process nor into the installer so I'm just throwing ideas |
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| 12:21.18 | leehambley | yeah, you're helping, though :-D |
| 12:21.29 | leehambley | hadn't thought about just overriding init= on the command line |
| 12:21.34 | leehambley | sounds liek that might work |
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| 12:22.17 | tralala | it could, although Ι have a gut feeling that initrd is the proper approach |
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| 12:22.52 | grumper | anyone has any info on my d-i question? |
| 12:23.21 | leehambley | tralala: I'm already doing that, unpacking the initrd, adding a script, and repacking that, and the iso |
| 12:23.32 | drhouse123 | libreoffice from backports have sometimes seqfaullt |
| 12:23.35 | drhouse123 | [29650.327712] soffice.bin[4593] general protection ip:7f4dee49362d sp:7fff9ca2de80 error:0 in libeditenglo.so[7f4dee2cc000+21f000] |
| 12:23.38 | leehambley | but I think the initrd is a step too early, I think that just exists, to somehow bring the system up enough to boot into the debian installer |
| 12:23.39 | Seb | tralala: well, the idea is to have it reconnect to whatever network i was using before, so calling ifup is not obvious in that case |
| 12:23.48 | leehambley | and it's probably in step 2 that I'd ahve the LVM tools I need |
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| 12:25.08 | grumper | aha found it looks like http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en#installer-args |
| 12:25.10 | grumper | stable being key |
| 12:25.51 | tralala | leehambley, have a look at some mini/micro distros out there. I think there are some that only boot an initrd. |
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| 12:26.09 | leehambley | yeah, will have a play, thanks for the second pair of ears (eyes?) |
| 12:26.14 | leehambley | appreciated /me takes a bow |
| 12:26.43 | tralala | Seb, check out /etc/network/run/ifstate |
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| 12:27.22 | Seb | tralala: oh, nice |
| 12:27.24 | tralala | leehambley, good luck |
| 12:27.58 | benedikt | I have a system with two disks. Currently the first disk en encrypted with luks and has LVM on it with logical volums for /, /home and swap. Now I want to encrypt the second disk with luks as well and create a LVM and mount it in a few places. |
| 12:28.20 | Seb | tralala: one more thing; I see a bunch of scripts in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/; are those run by default, or do I need to link those I need into /etc/pm/sleep.d ? |
| 12:28.35 | benedikt | Is it as straight forward as, encrypting, creating lvm, create logical bolums for the partitoins, add them to fstab and crypttab and then I'm done? |
| 12:29.14 | benedikt | or should i somehow add the second disk to the LVM of the first disk? What worries me about such an approach is what happens if one drive failes? Or if i choose to move one drive to another computer. |
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| 12:29.17 | tralala | Seb, I don't know, but Ι guess the manual will say. |
| 12:30.09 | leehambley | from the "man (5) initrd", tralala: |
| 12:30.10 | leehambley | If the executable file /linuxrc is present in the initial root file-system, /linuxrc is executed with UID 0. (The file /linuxrc must have executable permission. The file /linuxrc can be any valid executable, including a shell script.) |
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| 12:31.44 | Seb | tralala: ok, fair enough |
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| 12:33.14 | tralala | leehambley, it sounds like you need to put lvm on the initrd and have your /linuxrc do the partitioning + unpacking |
| 12:33.26 | leehambley | yep, that's pretty much where I'm at as well! |
| 12:33.46 | leehambley | just testing that the linuxrc does what I think (looks like it might be loaded before the root filesystem >_<) |
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| 12:34.27 | tralala | I'm almost certain that it is |
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| 12:34.43 | alimj | Hellow everyone. Question: I want a higher TEXT resolution on my Wheezy server. After changing GRUB_GFXMODE to a higher resolution (which vbeinfo shows valid) and update-grub, the initial grub menu switches to the new mode. Yet, I get the 80x25 colums text mode afterwards. |
| 12:35.07 | tralala | at some point the initrd changes the root filesystem |
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| 12:37.36 | leehambley | tralala: for what it's worth the debian installer also starts any script in /lib/debian-installer-startup.d/S[0-9][0-9]* |
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| 12:38.56 | leehambley | https://gist.github.com/leehambley/4d308022fe42077cb50c < |
| 12:39.04 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to make a directory in /var/lock/ persistent? |
| 12:39.16 | tralala | leehambley, it doesn't sound like you need the debian installer for anything |
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| 12:39.35 | leehambley | I don't - but I'm sortof assumig by the time I get to debian installer, I should have lvm, anyway |
| 12:39.48 | tralala | alimj, perhaps you need to pass a vga= parameter to the kernel too |
| 12:39.58 | leehambley | so if I hook into whatever it's doing, the system can start at a prompt, I'll kill any active ttys, and start my script in the background |
| 12:40.07 | FilipeMaia | Has anyone noticed rsync taking 100% of cpu when copying a very large file (>1TB) even when going over the rsync server and not ssh? Also on the destination the file size does not seem to increase. |
| 12:40.07 | alimj | tralala: I will look into it |
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| 12:40.32 | tralala | leehambley, not really, no. The debian installer loads lvm at some point _during_ the installation process |
| 12:40.43 | leehambley | oh :-\ |
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| 12:40.44 | leehambley | damnit! |
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| 12:40.54 | leehambley | I still didn't find what loads the debian installer |
| 12:40.56 | leehambley | :-) |
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| 12:47.58 | jargon | why doesn't `rsync -aEPhup ...` preserve permissions? |
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| 12:51.45 | tgs3 | how to install apps that I have on install cd? |
| 12:52.02 | tgs3 | apt-cdrom is not working (says that it added, but then apt-get install doesnt do anything) |
| 12:52.20 | alimj | tralala: I required following config: "set gfxpayload=keep" "insmod gfxterm". It is working now |
| 12:52.22 | tgs3 | using deb copy:///media/cdrom/ etc, seems to work, but then it warns me the files are not crypto signed |
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| 12:57.56 | tralala | alimj, good to hear |
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| 12:59.27 | babilen | fwiw, tgs3's question was cross-posted to OFTC and is being handled there. |
| 13:00.04 | jargon | when i run `rsync -aEPhu` or `rsync -aEPhup` it doesn't preserve the permissions. instead it sets the permissions to drwx for directories and rw for folders, regardless of what the source permissions are |
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| 13:01.39 | alimj | jargon: I believe it requires ROOT permission on destination for such thing. Otherwise it will set all permission to usrename for destination. |
| 13:02.04 | alimj | jargon: Or maybe I am wrong. Would you please be more specific |
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| 13:02.29 | jargon | alimj: i'm trying to rsync my home directory to an external drive |
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| 13:02.57 | alimj | jargon: Did you try the same rsync command as root? |
| 13:03.06 | jargon | alimj: let me try it |
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| 13:10.07 | brontosaurusrex | jargon, how is the drive formated? |
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| 13:11.43 | jargon | brontosaurusrex: ntfs. apparently that doesn't take orders from linux |
| 13:11.48 | alimj | !!! |
| 13:11.48 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 13:13.53 | alimj | brontosaurusrex: Thank you very much for reminding us about such things. |
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| 13:14.53 | brontosaurusrex | jargon, it might, but that would probably break win compatibility |
| 13:15.19 | brontosaurusrex | jargon, so if you dont need win compatibility, you may just well format it to something else, like extX |
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| 13:17.07 | lionel_ | hi |
| 13:17.08 | jargon | brontosaurusrex: ok thanks |
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| 13:18.40 | ChrisH | I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy on my old Dell D800. All worked well, but my dual head setup (1920x1200 built-in Display) + 1280x1024 externel display are not detected seperate but as one 1280x1024 Display. Where can I start to fix it? |
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| 13:19.49 | babilen | ChrisH: Which GPU? Which drivers? What is the "xrandr -q" output? What about /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? Is the second screen plugged in? (are you sure?) |
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| 13:20.05 | lionel_ | I want use cgroup on wheezy. I used on squeeze with no problem. apt-get install cgroup-bin on wheezy don't install /etc/init.d/cgconfig & cgred . I create cgconfig.conf and cgrules.conf, and copie of /usr/share/doc/cgroup-bin/examples deamon script. I add default start and stop in script. cgconfig deamon start but impossible to create mount on /sys/fs/cgroup because error access not allowed |
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| 13:20.16 | lionel_ | and when start cgred multi error |
| 13:20.28 | ChrisH | babilen: I see both displays showing it in clone mode -> both connected :) |
| 13:20.47 | lionel_ | someone know this problem? |
| 13:21.08 | babilen | ChrisH: So, what is the "xrandr -q" output? It is no surprise that you get a single screen with the max res supported by both screens in clone mode. That is clone mode after all. |
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| 13:21.44 | abrotman | ChrisH: also, which DE? |
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| 13:22.07 | ChrisH | KDE and here the details http://paste.debian.net/12785/ |
| 13:22.31 | ChrisH | in KDE Systemsettings its also only one display detected. Before the reboot there were two displays shown |
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| 13:23.23 | ChrisH | I assume going from 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:23.51 | ChrisH | I assume going from 2.6.32-5-686 to linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 or linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae would not change anything. |
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| 13:24.48 | jelly | ChrisH: if it's intel graphics, that's exactly what you should do |
| 13:24.56 | babilen | ChrisH: You *have* to use the 3.2 kernel with wheezy - you'll have framebuffer problems otherwise. Also: Which driver do you use? (I am sure we have entries in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that complain about a missing /dev/fb0) |
| 13:24.58 | abrotman | ChrisH: do you have a button that allows you to off/mirror/extra your external display? |
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| 13:25.26 | babilen | ChrisH: Why haven't you upgraded completely? (including kernel that is) |
| 13:26.32 | ChrisH | shame on me.... that happens when you get called for lunch and start the reboot without double checking the readme . |
| 13:26.44 | ChrisH | Xorg is full of these lines: [ 750.745] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument |
| 13:26.56 | ChrisH | Action plan is made, keep fingers crossed |
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| 13:28.15 | jelly | yah, that card ought to be using nouveau or some legacy nvidia driver, not fbdev |
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| 13:28.23 | ChrisH | [ 697.737] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 13:28.35 | ChrisH | thats the other EE entry |
| 13:28.38 | abrotman | nouveau ? |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | do you have a hard-coded xorg.conf ? |
| 13:28.52 | babilen | ChrisH: Do you have some /etc/X11/xorg.conf or anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
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| 13:29.15 | jelly | abrotman: missing kernel support means nouveau xorg bits won't get loaded |
| 13:29.21 | jelly | afaiui |
| 13:29.23 | babilen | ChrisH: But please, reboot into the recent kernel and simply make sure that you don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and we can take it from there. |
| 13:30.17 | babilen | judd: pciid 10de:0324 |
| 13:30.18 | judd | [10de:0324] is 'NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 64M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0324 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 13:30.25 | babilen | ChrisH: Is it that one ^^ ? |
| 13:30.59 | ChrisH | babilen: nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf nor /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and yes thats the card |
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| 13:31.31 | ChrisH | time to reboot now |
| 13:32.23 | babilen | Do we expect nouveau to work with that card or is it time to install the legacy driver? |
| 13:32.51 | jelly | is babilen using the royal We? |
| 13:33.14 | Th0masR0ss | no |
| 13:33.23 | babilen | no, I am addressing you, abrotman and the other people in the channel |
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| 13:34.08 | jelly | that chip is older than the nvidia I usually deal with. "TIAS" |
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| 13:34.21 | jelly | (no idea, hope it works) |
| 13:34.33 | babilen | Well, lets wait for ChrisH to return. AFAICT the 173.* legacy driver should support that chipset. |
| 13:35.12 | ChrisH | so looks much better now. |
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| 13:35.26 | babilen | \o/ |
| 13:35.48 | jelly | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ looks decent wrt video output support for NV30 |
| 13:36.17 | ChrisH | built-in display is running at 1920x1200 and systemsettings does the second display..... BUT it does not get out of power saving mode |
| 13:36.39 | jelly | ChrisH: pastebin the current output of "xrandr -q" |
| 13:37.11 | jelly | ChrisH: and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for good measure |
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| 13:38.54 | DammitJim | oh man! |
| 13:39.02 | DammitJim | I ran xrandr -x and everything flipped |
| 13:39.28 | Th0masR0ss | your screen flipped? |
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| 13:39.37 | Th0masR0ss | turn it over then |
| 13:39.39 | DammitJim | it's reflected or something |
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| 13:40.32 | DammitJim | who would need that? |
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| 13:40.37 | DammitJim | I guess if you were doing something with mirrors? |
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| 13:40.51 | abrotman | babilen: oh, i closed his lspci |
| 13:40.53 | jelly | DammitJim: people who punish coworkers that leave their terminal unlocked. |
| 13:41.06 | jelly | O:-) |
| 13:41.12 | DammitJim | I mean, wow! |
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| 13:42.15 | ChrisH | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/12790/ |
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| 13:42.47 | ChrisH | I am still fighting against paste.debian.net to upload Xorg log file. |
| 13:43.37 | mumpitzel | use pastebinit ? |
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| 13:43.55 | msl09 | Hi, I have a fresh install of debian wheezy and I can't access the on-lid-close configuration in gnome-power-manager |
| 13:44.13 | dvs | ChrisH: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 13:44.34 | mongaj | I have windows8 installed with uefi and all that |
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| 13:44.47 | mongaj | a guide tells me that if i want uefi debian |
| 13:44.49 | ChrisH | Xorg.log: http://paste.debian.net/12793/ |
| 13:44.52 | msl09 | I have installed from the first CD and installed laptop-mode-tools |
| 13:44.55 | mongaj | i need to make an mbr partition |
| 13:45.04 | mongaj | and install grub |
| 13:45.16 | mongaj | first off, what would happen? would it still detect win8? |
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| 13:46.32 | jelly | ChrisH: alright, and the external DVI-D-1 shows black screen? |
| 13:46.45 | ChrisH | jelly: exact |
| 13:46.49 | jelly | (could be dvi or hdmi physically) |
| 13:47.00 | ChrisH | jelly: its DVI |
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| 13:47.34 | ChrisH | in KDE Systemsettings is reported as connected |
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| 13:47.40 | jelly | ChrisH: try switching it off and back on :-D xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --off; sleep 4; xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --auto |
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| 13:48.09 | jelly | ChrisH: send last 500 lines of Xorg.0.log if the whole thing doesn't want to be uploaded |
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| 13:48.46 | ChrisH | jelly: pretty strange thing happened... LVDS-1 got blank for 4 seconds |
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| 13:48.57 | ChrisH | jelly: X.org see http://paste.debian.net/12793/ |
| 13:48.59 | msl09 | hmm, closing the lid suspends... that's the behavior that I wanted but, should I not be allowed to choose? |
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| 13:50.38 | jelly | ChrisH: your monitor is "L1950H", LG Flatron thingy? |
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| 13:51.50 | Deele | how do you think, is it possible to set up Dell wireless mou/kb combo to Debian 7 LXDE desktop? it requires logitech wireless interface devices software that is only avilable to windows |
| 13:51.57 | bezaban | msl09: gnome tweak tool lets you adjust this, but I have no further info on how it actually does it |
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| 13:55.32 | ChrisH | jelly: yes, thats the external one. |
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| 13:56.02 | jelly | ChrisH: dunno. xorg and xrandr looks as if the mode is set up nicely. It could be true and kde showing nothing on it...? |
| 13:56.34 | jelly | ChrisH: what happens if you xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --same-as LVDS-1 ? |
| 13:56.45 | jelly | ChrisH: (it might do the blank thing again) |
| 13:57.01 | jelly | ChrisH: sorry, xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --same-as LVDS-1 --auto |
| 13:58.04 | jelly | this just makes the viewports for both outputs start in the same upper left corner, showing the "same" picture on both |
| 13:58.05 | ChrisH | jelly: xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --same-as LVDS-1 --auto <<-- nothing happens |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | meh |
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| 13:58.48 | leehambley | tralala: eventually - http://mkcdrec.sourceforge.net/ - funny that you have to more or less get to the solution yourself before you find some obscurely named project! |
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| 13:59.21 | jelly | ChrisH: just for fun, also try changing the mode for dvi to something else, eh. xrandr --output DVI-D-1 -s 1024x768 --auto |
| 13:59.26 | ChrisH | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/12799/ exceprt from dmesg |
| 13:59.58 | Kon_Yu|2 | fatalerrors: don't even try to send unsolicited pictures without asking prior! |
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| 14:00.42 | ChrisH | jelly: the xrandr --output DVI-D-1 -s 1024x768 --auto resulted in monitor switing off power-save mode for a few seconds... Maybe a powercycle is the next step. |
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| 14:01.34 | jelly | ChrisH: I'm out of things to try, next thing I'd do would be a different version of kernel and xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:02.09 | jelly | ChrisH: might also try: a shorter/different DVI cable; ask in #xorg or #nouveau |
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| 14:03.14 | jelly | ChrisH: and if you have a second machine, switching off internal lvds to see if the external monitor magically starts working |
| 14:03.15 | tralala | leehambley, wow, that's really nice! |
| 14:03.37 | jelly | ChrisH: (using the magic of ssh access) |
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| 14:03.39 | leehambley | tralala: yeah, I was having issues related to checksums of my rebuild ISO, and googling the obscrure error code lead me to an FAQ on that site |
| 14:04.29 | fatalerrors | Kon_Yu|2: it's avatar downloading, a functionnality of my irc client |
| 14:04.41 | fatalerrors | totally authomatic |
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| 14:08.34 | The-Compiler | heya! I'm trying to install Debian in a virtual machine, and I really only need a minimal X with a small tiling WM - about how much space will this need for /? Would 1 GB or so be enough? |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | The-Compiler: what else will you need? |
| 14:09.24 | abrotman | and what other partitions will you have? |
| 14:09.29 | fatalerrors | Kon_Yu|2: then don't use kvirc, it's just a kvirc functionnality |
| 14:09.45 | The-Compiler | abrotman: skype, skyped (little python script), python3 |
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| 14:10.24 | The-Compiler | and iptables... yep, that's it pretty much |
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| 14:10.30 | abrotman | and what other partitions? |
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| 14:10.54 | The-Compiler | probably going to do a single / partition |
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| 14:11.39 | abrotman | probably 2GB then .. IIRC, skype uses Qt libraries, etc? |
| 14:11.55 | The-Compiler | hm, right |
| 14:12.19 | The-Compiler | actually... installing is fast anyways, so I might just set it up, see what space it needes, and do the same thing again with a smaller hard disk image |
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| 14:13.49 | abrotman | The-Compiler: or do it with LVM and add more later? |
| 14:14.08 | Deele | has enyone managed to make it work bluetooth devices on lxde |
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| 14:15.10 | The-Compiler | on the other hand it seems the sparse allocation of VirtualBox also works with partitioned disk images, so it only will use the space actually used anyways, then I don't even mind |
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| 14:21.30 | The-Compiler | Can I somehow view which packages are selected exactly by the "Software selection" (tasksel?) step while installing? E.g. what does "Standard system utilities" mean, and what's in there what's not in the "core of the system"? |
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| 14:22.27 | babilen | The-Compiler: Sure, just take a look at the "task-desktop" package and its dependencies/recommends |
| 14:23.14 | babilen | But you cannot get a complete list during the installation. You also cannot fine-tune the package selection during the installation - If you want the latter I'd recommend to simply install the standard task and take it from there after the installation. |
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| 14:23.25 | The-Compiler | babilen: but wouldn't that be "Debian desktop environment"? |
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| 14:24.04 | babilen | yeah, sorry ... not idea why I thought that task-desktop is relevant for your |
| 14:24.27 | The-Compiler | I already deselected desktop environment (because I really only need X) and "Print server", I more wonder if "Standard system utilities" is coreutils or more exotic stuff (say wget, nano, etc... stuff I won't need) |
| 14:24.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell The-Compiler about standard |
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| 14:26.23 | The-Compiler | meh, so I can't install just apt (which seems in there) without also getting things like exim4, mutt, ...? |
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| 14:27.22 | dcpc007 | hello, i have a very old video i can't read for now. it's an avi file with MSC2 codec. (should be an old high-speed camera video - year 2000) |
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| 14:27.50 | dzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.56 | dzen | oops, sorry |
| 14:28.01 | nkuttler | The-Compiler: you can remove the task-foo packages... but the mta isn't optional |
| 14:28.16 | nkuttler | The-Compiler: you can install some nullmailer or something though if you must# |
| 14:28.37 | jelly | The-Compiler: you can install the base system (no tasks at all!), then, and build on that |
| 14:28.55 | The-Compiler | jelly: and that does include apt and coreutils, for example? |
| 14:29.00 | jelly | The-Compiler: yes. |
| 14:29.04 | The-Compiler | ah, okay. |
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| 14:29.55 | ChrisH | jelly: magic of ssh did not fixed it... still weird |
| 14:29.57 | jelly | The-Compiler: you can try to avoid a MTA by making sure cron, if you pull it in, gets installed using aptitude --without-recommends |
| 14:29.57 | petn-randall | The-Compiler: Most VM management software can do thin-provisioning, so I'd just give the machine ~10GB and be done with it. |
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| 14:30.14 | The-Compiler | just tried 'aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' on another machine and that also included apt, but I guess that's both in that task and in the core system |
| 14:30.27 | petn-randall | The-Compiler: It'll save you a lot of trouble if you actually DO have to install something more. |
| 14:30.40 | The-Compiler | petn-randall: well, I still don't want too much bloat I don't need running |
| 14:30.55 | The-Compiler | maybe it shows that I'm an Arch user normally :D |
| 14:30.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell The-Compiler -about why a mta |
| 14:31.23 | babilen | The-Compiler: You might want to consider that when configuring the system. Note jelly's comment regarding the nullmailer though. |
| 14:31.33 | petn-randall | The-Compiler: Is it for a single instance? Because otherwise you'll be wasting more time "optimizing" the VM than the HDD space is worth ... |
| 14:31.58 | petn-randall | The-Compiler: At least it's not Gentoo ... ;) |
| 14:32.00 | petn-randall | hides. |
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| 14:51.34 | val_erie | I need to build an application in python virtualenv. This app requires decoder jpeg. I installed libjpeg8-dev in OS . Am I missing any other library? |
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| 14:52.40 | fourq | How do I config highlighting to auto copy to buffer so I can middle click paste? |
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| 14:53.09 | The-Compiler | fourq: that should happen automagically already, doesn't it? |
| 14:53.15 | fourq | nope =( |
| 14:53.23 | fourq | I have to middle click the highlighted text first |
| 14:53.26 | Rackmount | fourq: Are you trying to do this in gnome-terminal, or in an xterm or rxvt session? |
| 14:53.45 | fourq | Rackmount: I tried in both terminator and firefox |
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| 14:59.39 | Mackwerk | Hello! I have an ec2 instance that I need to extend the system disk on, so I created a snapshot of it and unmounted the old disk, and mounted the new one it's at /dev/xvda2 like the old. But when I do resize2fs /dev/xvda2 I get this message: "The filesystem is already 112420 blocks long. Nothing to do!" |
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| 15:00.32 | DarsVaeda | so where do I go to when orca doesn't work with iceweasel? debian support, iceweasel support (is there any or is that debian too), gnome, orca? |
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| 15:01.46 | abrotman | DarsVaeda: file a bug on orca would be my guess .. |
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| 15:05.49 | petn-randall | Mackwerk: That only means that the filesystem is already as big as the partition. You sure the disk got bigger? |
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| 15:10.19 | The-Compiler | abrotman: btw, for now 1.1 GB used after installing X and skype :) |
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| 15:11.49 | debian_user | Hey guys |
| 15:12.08 | debian_user | Question, I am installing Debian, I want debian testing! I downloaded the CD debian-testing |
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| 15:12.24 | debian_user | I wonder if I will have the options to install a DE and etc |
| 15:12.31 | debian_user | like I had in the DVD of debian 7 |
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| 15:12.56 | mumpitzel | tasksel can be run anytime |
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| 15:14.13 | petn-randall | debian_user: the testing installer is more to test the installer itself. The recommended way to get testing is to install wheezy and upgrade to jessie. |
| 15:14.37 | debian_user | petn-randall: I did this once, but then I had two different kernel in grub and etc |
| 15:14.47 | debian_user | does it mess up with performace or so? |
| 15:14.51 | petn-randall | debian_user: Btw, *NEVER* having an alias like 'stable' or 'testing' in your sources.list. You'll run into big surprise after the release of jessie. |
| 15:15.05 | petn-randall | debian_user: How does it mess with performance? |
| 15:15.31 | debian_user | petn-randall: So instead of having testing, I should keep it with the code name, remove wheezy and put jessie, correct? |
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| 15:15.52 | debian_user | petn-randall: Don't know, I am asking, does the upgrade just update the packages? or does it do something else also? |
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| 15:16.00 | petn-randall | debian_user: Yes, that's the recommended way. |
| 15:16.31 | petn-randall | debian_user: A dist-upgrade upgrades all packages on your system. |
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| 15:16.59 | debian_user | Cool, what kind of trouble can I encouter using testing? Will I encouter problems like I would encounter in a Arch system? |
| 15:17.01 | debian_user | Or worst? |
| 15:17.32 | mumpitzel | you can encounter various problems. since you have to ask, you shouldn't use testing |
| 15:17.46 | debian_user | well, I use Arch and Gentoo for 4 years now |
| 15:17.57 | debian_user | so I wonder if debian testing is worst or even more stable than that |
| 15:18.10 | larico | go for testing |
| 15:18.18 | petn-randall | debian_user: Never used Arch. Everything in 'testing' has seen at least 2 days of testing in sid, so it's a little bit safer than sid, maybe. On the other hand, fixes take also longer to reach it, so ... |
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| 15:18.33 | mtn | debian_user: the correct answer is: it depends. sometimes better, sometimes worse |
| 15:18.40 | debian_user | Ok! I see |
| 15:18.42 | debian_user | interesting |
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| 15:19.00 | petn-randall | debian_user: You should have a good understanding of how Debian works, otherwise you'll spend too much time fixing things. |
| 15:19.00 | debian_user | I would go for debian 7.. but it's just "too" stable |
| 15:19.09 | babilen | debian_user: I'd recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable tpoo |
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| 15:20.06 | petn-randall | debian_user: "Too stable"? Try hitting the computer with a noodle roll. |
| 15:20.20 | debian_user | hahah |
| 15:20.24 | babilen | debian_user: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" and has very little to do with "working" or "bug free" -- So if you are looking for something that does change "stable" is wrong for you. A common setup is, however, a mix of stable and backports, but that might also not be to your liking. |
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| 15:20.46 | rndnicksshagent | using ssh-agent and agent forwarding (ssh -A) is there a way to ask for confirmation everytime the agent is used? |
| 15:21.08 | debian_user | babilen: I assume backports is a compiled packaged from testing that would work in stable, correct? |
| 15:21.15 | babilen | debian_user: exactly |
| 15:21.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell debian_user -about backports |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | The-Compiler: 2GB is a good bet then, logs, etc .. package updates .. |
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| 15:22.29 | babilen | debian_user: You can create those yourself as well (cf/ <ssb>) -- Regarding testing: At this point in the release cycle I wouldn't recommend a pure testing system, but a testing/unstable mix that defaults to testing. This allows you to pull packages from unstable as the need arises and is documented in <tum> (/msg dpkg tum) |
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| 15:23.15 | debian_user | babilen: So a testing/unstable can also work? So you use source list from both? |
| 15:23.19 | babilen | debian_user: In the end it really depends on what you want and what you are willing to deal with. There are pros and cons to each approach. (if there weren't we would all use this hypothetical super system) |
| 15:23.26 | debian_user | or you use testing source list and backport unstalbe? |
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| 15:24.30 | babilen | debian_user: You can mix stable with *nothing* but backports. Packages transition from unstable to testing if they qualify (no serious bugs, long enough in unstable) which means that you can, essentially, mix testing and unstable. |
| 15:24.37 | dvs | debian_user: The difference between testing and unstable is (mostly) time. |
| 15:24.55 | debian_user | I see |
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| 15:25.05 | jordanm | some package may never migrate due to RC bugs |
| 15:25.30 | babilen | debian_user: But read the DebianUnstable wiki article/faq -- Some of your questions will be answered there. You *will* have to be willing to invest time into learning Debian system administration (and packaging) eventually if you run testing or unstable. |
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| 15:27.05 | badkid | i need to mark 'playonlinux' in my dpkg list in such a way that, apt-get install -f is not going to remove it. |
| 15:27.30 | petn-randall | badkid: Why does apt-get want to remove it in the first place? |
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| 15:27.31 | badkid | apt-get complains about dependency problems for wine n all, but everything works fine for me |
| 15:27.52 | badkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.52 | badkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.52 | badkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.04 | babilen | badkid: -f means "--fix-dependencies" and will simply cause apt-get to install missing dependencies. And also: Please don't paste into the channel but use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:28.23 | babilen | Well, "--fix-broken" :) |
| 15:28.24 | petn-randall | badkid: Use http://paste.debian.net to show us stuff, the bot will otherwise kick you for flooding. |
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| 15:28.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell badkid -about bat |
| 15:28.48 | badkid | m sorry. but using -f tries to remove playonlinux since wine-stable or wine-unstable are not installable |
| 15:28.57 | babilen | petn-randall: We should have expected it from a bad kid! |
| 15:29.07 | badkid | ;) bad kid |
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| 15:29.29 | danart82 | !list |
| 15:29.30 | dpkg | danart82: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 15:29.40 | badkid | so i want a way that apt-get or my dpkg list to ignore it. |
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| 15:30.53 | petn-randall | badkid: What release are you on? Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 15:32.09 | babilen | badkid: Please read the message our bot sent you and show us the "apt-cache policy PKG" output for the packages in question in addition to the information petn-randall asked about |
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| 15:33.24 | badkid | i did, getting that file |
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| 15:35.42 | danart82 | !list |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | danart82: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:36.12 | danart82 | !list |
| 15:36.12 | dpkg | danart82: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:36.34 | bazhang | !ops | danart82 |
| 15:36.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | danart82 |
| 15:36.59 | babilen | danart82: No illegal warez here. Change your life and use free software! |
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| 15:38.05 | peterS | yeah we're pretty tame, you can't even get libdvdcss2 from us |
| 15:38.38 | petn-randall | deb-multimedia has it, though. |
| 15:38.53 | badkid | please check http://pastebin.com/JRZJUqZh |
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| 15:39.14 | babilen | scowls at pastebin.com |
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| 15:39.36 | badkid | petn-randall, babilen : http://pastebin.com/JRZJUqZh |
| 15:39.49 | peterS | yes, they heard you the first time |
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| 15:40.29 | babilen | badkid: We are horribly opinionated people and strongly dislike pastebin.com, so use http://paste.debian.net or another nice pastebin like http://refheap.com or http://paste.ubuntu.com in the future. I know, I know ... this is getting all a bit too much, but we are a grumpy (but ultimately lovely) bunch |
| 15:40.46 | petn-randall | badkid: Oh, and anything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 15:41.05 | badkid | i'll do that in future. |
| 15:41.05 | lulz0r | How can I install gcc 4.8.1 on debian? :) |
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| 15:41.28 | petn-randall | squeeze, wheezy, sid, crunchbang, playonlinux, I think we have a new record! |
| 15:41.33 | babilen | badkid: First and foremost: you really don't need the [arch=amd64,i386] entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- They are needed for Ubuntu as their mirrors don't necessarily have all architectures, but these entries are meaningless on Debian. |
| 15:41.34 | badkid | there are few things in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* however, playonlinux.list is relevant to this problem that i've included in my pastebin |
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| 15:41.44 | mtn | petn-randall: that should work really well :P |
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| 15:41.51 | badkid | others are regarding icedove, liquorix kernel |
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| 15:42.18 | petn-randall | badkid: Your system has a different opinion. |
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| 15:43.29 | babilen | badkid: You also seem to use packages from Crunchbang, Playonlinux and virtualbox which render your system more or less unsupportable in #debian (in particular the crunbang ones) -- Not to mention that the http://liquorix.net/debian/ repository is not even mentioned. |
| 15:43.31 | petn-randall | badkid: 500 http://liquorix.net/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages ← there's no sources.list entry for that, you're missing something. |
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| 15:44.04 | badkid | http://paste.debian.net/12817/ |
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| 15:44.10 | lulz0r | apt-get install gcc-4.8 or g++-4.8 gives me unable to locate package |
| 15:44.40 | peterS | probably means you are still on debian stable (wheezy) |
| 15:44.47 | peterS | that doesn't have 4.8 |
| 15:44.52 | badkid | i can remove Virtual Box and Playonlinux from sources.list.d/ But i would like to keep few things from Crunchbang |
| 15:45.14 | badkid | bcz mine is a mixed system of debian and crunchbang |
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| 15:45.53 | babilen | badkid: We unfortunately don't support that. You might have more luck in #linux (or maybe #crunchbang) |
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| 15:45.57 | lulz0r | peterS: It's worse, I'm actually still on squeeze, as I noticed yesterday. ;) But there has to be a way to install it "manually"? |
| 15:46.02 | babilen | ##linux that is |
| 15:46.17 | badkid | thanks babilen :) |
| 15:46.17 | hossein | hi i dont now how to install firefox :| |
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| 15:46.25 | babilen | badkid: See you there! |
| 15:46.30 | peterS | lulz0r: yes, people did used to install gcc on systems where it wasn't available as a binary package. it's called building from source and it used to be popular (: |
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| 15:46.31 | dvs | !tell hossein about mdn |
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| 15:46.41 | badkid | but if you can only tell me a way so that my dpkg thingy ignores playonlinux. that would the simplest answer. |
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| 15:47.01 | badkid | Anyhow i value your opinions and 'll remember few things that i was told earlier. |
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| 15:47.18 | babilen | badkid: fwiw, I really wouldn't recommend mixing distributions like that or your use of unsupported third-party repositories. |
| 15:47.41 | petn-randall | lulz0r: gcc-4.8 is only available in jessie and higher. You can backport it yourself. |
| 15:47.50 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell lulz0r -about ssb |
| 15:47.55 | format_c | What happened to the hellanzb package in Wheezy? |
| 15:47.59 | lulz0r | peterS: Without torturing my CPU for 3 hours? :D |
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| 15:48.21 | peterS | bah, you're trying to install a compiler. what would you ever even use a compiler for, if not to torture your CPU? (: |
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| 15:49.27 | hossein | downloading firefox but i cant to install :? |
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| 15:49.54 | dvs | !firefox |
| 15:49.54 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:51.07 | tsunamie | get the following error [warn] proxy: No protocol handler was valid for the URL /crowd. If you are using a DSO version of mod_proxy, make sure the proxy submodules are included in the configuration using LoadModule. but I have mod_proxy and proxy_httpd modauls loaded. (this is ubuntu) |
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| 15:51.21 | tsunamie | can someone dirtect me to a guide as exusted google on this one |
| 15:51.31 | peterS | *grump* back in my day, we all used gcc 2.7.2. And we liked it. (We didn't like g++ 2.7.2 quite so much. It was kinda a pile of crap.) |
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| 15:52.30 | babilen | hossein: See also http://mozilla.debian.net for information on how to install Iceweasel versions that correspond to various Firefox release channels |
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| 15:53.14 | mullein | peterS, i thought we didn't like it, and that's why we went to egcs |
| 15:53.24 | peterS | mullein: oh, that was after my day (: |
| 15:53.40 | peterS | and let us not forget the short-lived but interesting pgcc |
| 15:53.55 | mullein | 1997 was after your day? |
| 15:54.06 | mullein | feels like a long time ago |
| 15:54.16 | peterS | well, you know, _during_. I mean, it's still kinda my day, as I'm still around. |
| 15:54.34 | mullein | fwiw, egcs became gcc 2.95 |
| 15:54.39 | jelly | peterS: egcs 4 lyf |
| 15:55.10 | mullein | glad to see that you're still around, zombie irc accts are the worst |
| 15:55.10 | peterS | yeah IIRC egcs numbered itself as 2.90, 2.91, 2.92 |
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| 15:55.42 | peterS | which would be why gcc went from the 2.8 series to the 2.95 series with no 2.9 through 2.94 in between (: |
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| 15:56.47 | badkid | fixed my problem. removed playonlinux from sources.list.d and removed architechtures from sources.list. it worked. |
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| 15:57.08 | badkid | less clutter in sources makes your system happy. :) . hv a good day everyone. |
| 15:57.15 | peterS | how many people remember when Debian had a 'gcc272' package containing gcc 2.7.2, specifically to build the Linux kernel, as Linux 2.0.x did not build correctly with egcs or newer? |
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| 15:58.22 | mullein | i do, as well as the monumentous libc5->libc6 transition |
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| 15:59.00 | mullein | it's been a few years since i've built any kernel stuff outside of drivers |
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| 16:00.48 | babilen | badkid: Good to hear! Good luck with your system and keep in mind that you are always welcome to ask your questions in here once you start using pure Debian again |
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| 16:01.33 | ChrisH | How Do I get a newer kernel then 3.2.0-4-486 onto my updated squeeze? |
| 16:01.48 | badkid | babilen, thanks. |
| 16:01.55 | babilen | ChrisH: I thought you upgraded to wheezy? |
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| 16:02.53 | nmschulte | Is it possible to have 2-channel audio playback automatically apply a low pass filter to the two channels and play the (added) on the LFE channel? |
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| 16:03.05 | ChrisH | s/squeeze/wheezy |
| 16:03.22 | nmschulte | Or is there a better way to do this, perhaps per-application (meaning the application does the filtering/munging for you)? |
| 16:03.23 | jelly | nmschulte: a kind of... 2.1 system? |
| 16:03.34 | nmschulte | jelly: Yeah, but in software. |
| 16:04.03 | nmschulte | e.g. I have a 5.1 stereo hooked up, and it doesn't do any post-processing (let's assume it's connected via analog). |
| 16:04.23 | ChrisH | babilen: I am on wheezy now and looking for newer kernel. Is backpots my approach? |
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| 16:08.21 | moof2 | ChrisH, what specific problem are you looking to solve? |
| 16:08.25 | babilen | ChrisH: Just wanted to clarify that "updated squeeze" == "wheezy" and not "fully up-to-date squeeze" |
| 16:08.39 | babilen | ChrisH: You can install the kernel directly from sid if you want to |
| 16:10.00 | ChrisH | moof2: My problem is my dual-head setup no longer working after I upgraded to wheezy. in #nouveau it was suggested to use a newer kernel. |
| 16:10.16 | Mackwerk | petn-randall, sorry for the late reply, yes I am sure :/ The amazon console says that the new disk is mounted and the old one is not |
| 16:10.26 | nmschulte | jelly: Does that make sense? It seems like a common use-case that would already have a solution. |
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| 16:10.49 | peterS | nmschulte: if you have a separate LFE output channel, I'd think the sound card itself would be able to do that filtering |
| 16:10.58 | nmschulte | I'm helping someone else, so I don't know all of the details, but I expect their stereo system has a solution already. |
| 16:11.11 | peterS | so it seems like a driver issue more than a software issue |
| 16:11.18 | babilen | ChrisH: You can also try the 173.* nvidia driver -- See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_173.14.35_.28legacy_GPUs.29 -- that is if you consider that driver to be an option |
| 16:11.18 | moof2 | oh ok; hope you find something that works |
| 16:11.22 | nmschulte | peterS: Yeah, I would think so as well. It's an X-Fi card, |
| 16:11.28 | peterS | (I mean, software-outside-the-driver) |
| 16:11.46 | nmschulte | peterS: Yeah, I would think so as well. It's an X-Fi card, EMU20K1 chip (snd-ctxfi I think) |
| 16:12.13 | babilen | ChrisH: Either way: you can install *the kernel* (nothing else!!!) directly from unstable if you want to try 3.9 |
| 16:12.24 | peterS | yeah I don't really know anything about the current state of sound cards, drivers, and software stacks. it just _seems_ to me that this is something the mixer on the card should be doing |
| 16:12.29 | ChrisH | babilen: IIRC this 173-driver was the reason I did a full reinstall of the system several years ago. Nothing worked and with Squeeze it was OK out of the box. |
| 16:12.36 | nmschulte | Exactly. I bet there's already an ALSA pcm that does just this, from the driver. |
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| 16:13.18 | moof2 | babilen, there are no deps to worry about eminating from the 3.9 kernel? |
| 16:13.21 | nmschulte | like... surround21. |
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| 16:13.39 | babilen | moof2: You'll get some deps, but installing those and the kernel is fine |
| 16:14.01 | FilipeMaia | On a SAS enclosure is there a way to figure out which port does not contain a hard drive? |
| 16:14.06 | babilen | And it won't take too long for 3.9 to make it into backports now anyway |
| 16:14.17 | peterS | FilipeMaia: well, you can find the ones that do |
| 16:14.23 | peterS | FilipeMaia: then deduce that the rest do not |
| 16:14.24 | FilipeMaia | peterS: how? |
| 16:15.04 | peterS | FilipeMaia: port=$(ls /sys/block/$dev/../../../../.. 2>/dev/null | sed -n '/phy-[0-9]\+:/s//p/p') |
| 16:15.14 | peterS | FilipeMaia: where $dev is something like 'sdc' |
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| 16:15.26 | peterS | do that for /dev/sd* and you've got your list |
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| 16:15.50 | peterS | FilipeMaia: (that's a paste from a script I wrote at work to figure out the "physical" address of each disk we plug into a SAS enclosure) |
| 16:16.15 | FilipeMaia | peterS: many thanks |
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| 16:16.27 | hossein | i live in iran and i cannot open sources :( i cannot update and use apt-get right now ... is there any other way to install proxychains or jandojap ? |
| 16:16.45 | hypnocat | i just tried to install maradns 1.4.12-5 via "aptitude install maradns", and got this error: "/etc/init.d/maradns: invalid arguments" (full install log here: http://bpaste.net/show/110002/ ) |
| 16:17.13 | moof2 | babilen, so to be specific, you;re saying that one could put a sid source, and apt-get install (the 3.9 kernel image) and allow (some of) the deps to be installed from sid? |
| 16:17.37 | FilipeMaia | peterS: i got as a result p11:14 |
| 16:17.44 | moof2 | assuming one is running wheezy7 |
| 16:17.56 | FilipeMaia | peterS: does that correspond to something physical? |
| 16:17.57 | peterS | FilipeMaia: more generally, poke around /sys/devices/pci{whatever}/hostN corresponding to the SAS card |
| 16:18.10 | peterS | FilipeMaia: note the 'port-*' and 'phy-*' subdirs |
| 16:18.28 | peterS | the 'port-*' subdirs are disks actually connected, and they have symlinks inside them to phy-* |
| 16:18.36 | peterS | phy-* are the physical ports |
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| 16:19.40 | peterS | FilipeMaia: on my system I have /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:0d:00.0/host2 which is a 16-port LSI card. it therefore has phy-2:0/ through phy-2:15/ |
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| 16:19.53 | FilipeMaia | peterS: why can't I cd to /sys/block/$dev/../../../../.. |
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| 16:20.09 | peterS | FilipeMaia: because bash is trying to resolve the ../../../../.. before it goes into /sys/block/$dev |
| 16:20.12 | ChrisH | What did I overlooked here? http://paste.debian.net/12824/ apt-get update was done |
| 16:20.21 | peterS | FilipeMaia: if you 'cd /sys/block/$dev; cd $(pwd -P); cd ../../../../..' it will probably work |
| 16:20.35 | FilipeMaia | peterS: I see, silly bash :) |
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| 16:20.39 | peterS | FilipeMaia: the 'pwd -P' part is to resolve the _real_ path of the symlink farm |
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| 16:21.41 | peterS | FilipeMaia: so on my system, 'cd /sys/block/sdc; pwd -P' shows /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:0d:00.0/host2/port-2:94/end_device-2:94/target2:0:94/2:0:94:0/block/sdc |
| 16:21.58 | hossein | any how me? |
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| 16:22.30 | FilipeMaia | peterS: ok mine shows /sys/devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:01.0/0000:82:00.0/host8/port-8:2/expander-8:6/port-8:6:26/expander-8:10/port-8:10:21/expander-8:11/port-8:11:50/end_device-8:11:50/target8:0:328/8:0:328:0/block/sdee. Many thanks for all the help |
| 16:23.01 | peterS | FilipeMaia: ah yes. you may have to do some additional scripting to figure out the _whole_ topology, given you are using expanders. (We are not. Well, we do, but not for the thing where I needed to write this script.) |
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| 16:23.12 | babilen | moof2: Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. (and would also be the answer you get in #debian-devel) |
| 16:23.32 | babilen | moof2: Note that this is specific to the kernel. *Only* the kernel and its dependencies. |
| 16:24.03 | moof2 | yes, understood. |
| 16:24.38 | moof2 | thanks |
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| 16:26.14 | babilen | moof2: Once the kernel is in backports you should, naturally, pull it from there. |
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| 16:30.55 | FilipeMaia | peterS: looks like p10:10 corresponds to the first port of the backend panel of the enclosure and p11:12 to the first port of the front part |
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| 16:32.11 | moof2 | hossein, not sure where you're having trouble |
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| 16:32.45 | FilipeMaia | peterS: would you be willing to share the script you wrote? I realize it probably won't work in my system but I'm just curious about what other information can be gathered from /sys |
| 16:33.23 | peterS | FilipeMaia: try this for fun. it may or may not work. portchain=; path=$(cd /sys/block/$dev; pwd -P); while [ -n "$path" ]; do case ${path##*/} in port-*) phy=$(echo $path/phy-*); phy=${phy##*/phy-*:}; portchain="$phy $portchain" ;; esac; path=${path%/*}; done; echo $portchain |
| 16:33.46 | peterS | FilipeMaia: my pile of scripts technically belong to my employer so I don't think I should share more than I already have. |
| 16:33.57 | FilipeMaia | ok |
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| 16:35.06 | peterS | FilipeMaia: overview though, I map each PCI device to a label like "SAS1" by a simple 2-column table that I read with: card=$(awk '$1=="'$pcidev'"{print $2}') |
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| 16:35.48 | peterS | FilipeMaia: I'm curious to see the output of that command line I constructed just now |
| 16:36.04 | petn-randall | Mackwerk: check with fdisk -l if there really is a new disk with more space available. I'm not sure how your setup is and if it even works how you think it should. |
| 16:36.05 | FilipeMaia | peterS: is that a one liner? |
| 16:36.09 | peterS | yep |
| 16:36.19 | FilipeMaia | peterS: i'm just trying to understand what it does |
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| 16:36.52 | FilipeMaia | and I guess i have to set $dev first |
| 16:36.59 | peterS | FilipeMaia: starts with the full path, then loops through it, cutting off the last dir each time, looking for "port-*" and if found, looks inside the port-* dir for a phy-* symlink, then adds the phy-* symlink to the front of $portchain |
| 16:37.19 | peterS | FilipeMaia: in the end, $portchain should say something like 2 3 1, which means SAS port 2, first expander port 3, second expander port 1 |
| 16:37.47 | FilipeMaia | 3 7 7 14 |
| 16:37.51 | Mackwerk | petn-randall, I think I found the reason. I am using a RichtScale image which uses a multi-partition structure so it is not diable without formatting it into one disk |
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| 16:37.58 | peterS | so, SAS port 3, then 3 levels of expanders |
| 16:38.14 | petn-randall | Mackwerk: Ah, ok then. |
| 16:38.31 | Mackwerk | petn-randall, but fdisk -l shows the correct size of the new volume |
| 16:38.43 | FilipeMaia | peterS: nice :) |
| 16:39.07 | peterS | FilipeMaia: does it seem accurate, then? port 3 on the SAS card, port 7 on the first expander, port 7 on the second expander, port 14 on the third expander? |
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| 16:39.32 | peterS | as I said, I don't use SAS expanders (though my workplace does, elsewhere), so I can't test this stuff directly |
| 16:39.52 | FilipeMaia | peterS: It's a bit hard to understand what port means |
| 16:40.11 | FilipeMaia | peterS: I have a SAS controller on the server with 2 4x SAS ports |
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| 16:40.26 | peterS | FilipeMaia: right, I was about to say, the ports are probably grouped into groups of 4 |
| 16:40.41 | FilipeMaia | peterS: from one of those a cable goes to the first enclosure |
| 16:40.59 | peterS | so exactly how the enclosure maps the 4 ports to its expanders is something you'd have to figure out, I guess |
| 16:41.01 | FilipeMaia | peterS: a cable goes out from that enclosure and goes to the second enclosure |
| 16:41.26 | peterS | FilipeMaia: if you have the ability to add and remove disks physically, you can map it all out. it'd just take some time. |
| 16:41.40 | FilipeMaia | peterS: i probably could you're right |
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| 16:42.10 | FilipeMaia | peterS: finally there's a cable going from the back to the front panel of the second expander |
| 16:42.14 | peterS | FilipeMaia: as a shortcut, you could just keep my one-liner, and then just do specific mappings: "3 7 7 14 means the 14th disk in enclosure XYZ" |
| 16:42.38 | peterS | ...and not try to understand the _exact_ topology |
| 16:42.45 | FilipeMaia | peterS: right |
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| 16:42.55 | hossein | howto install .deb file? |
| 16:43.09 | ulmer | use gdebi :) |
| 16:43.25 | peitong | hossein dpkg |
| 16:44.14 | FilipeMaia | peterS: the enclosures are Supermicro 847E16-RJBOD1, with 4 4x ports each |
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| 16:45.13 | FilipeMaia | peterS: we use them with software raid 6 for raw experimental data that's backed up somewhere else |
| 16:45.57 | peterS | FilipeMaia: try my one-liner with /dev/sd* and see if all the disks give unique "addresses". then go from there. (I think it'll work for partitions like /dev/sdf1, but in that case you'll obviously get duplicates, as /dev/sdf and /dev/sdf1 should give the same "address") |
| 16:46.27 | peterS | well, no, it won't work for sdf1 as there is no /sys/block/sdf1 |
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| 16:46.36 | peterS | but anyway |
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| 16:47.05 | FilipeMaia | so wrapping it on a for dev in /dev/sd*? |
| 16:47.17 | peterS | right. then dev=${dev#/dev/} |
| 16:47.22 | peterS | to strip off the prefix |
| 16:47.32 | peterS | or alternatively for dev in $(cd /dev; echo sd*) |
| 16:48.11 | peterS | or even for dev in /sys/block/sd* and go from there |
| 16:48.23 | peterS | that's probably easiest in fact |
| 16:48.42 | FilipeMaia | peterS: interesting output http://paste.debian.net/12830/ |
| 16:49.33 | FilipeMaia | peterS: do you know if port numbers are 0 or 1 based? |
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| 16:51.51 | FilipeMaia | And on the main machine http://paste.debian.net/12832/ |
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| 16:54.10 | peterS | FilipeMaia: so lines 68, 69, 70 on the second paste give nothing. I wonder if those disks aren't SAS connected |
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| 16:54.31 | peterS | FilipeMaia: try the same but modify the one-liner to "echo $dev $portchain" at the end |
| 16:54.36 | FilipeMaia | peterS: on the first script there are also two empty lines |
| 16:54.52 | peterS | sounds like system disks on a motherboard SATA, or something |
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| 16:56.02 | FilipeMaia | Pei: sdc[m-o] are the ones that don't give anything |
| 16:56.26 | peterS | FilipeMaia: interesting that the only SAS ports in use are 3 and 7. so, one port from each SFF-8470 cable. |
| 16:56.37 | FilipeMaia | peterS: yup |
| 16:57.01 | peterS | blame the expander for not using the rest of the available bandwidth, I guess, by spreading out the ports more |
| 16:57.17 | FilipeMaia | They are actually SFF-8088 but same thing |
| 16:57.37 | peterS | right, SFF-8088 on the host end. I just didn't have that ID handy so I mentioned a common connector at the JBOD end |
| 16:57.55 | FilipeMaia | SFF-8088 on both sides |
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| 16:58.29 | peterS | ahh. the JBOD I'm doing all this stuff with has SFF-8088 on the host and SFF-8470 on the JBOD |
| 16:58.51 | FilipeMaia | peterS: i wonder if using just port 3 and 7 has actually performance implications |
| 16:58.57 | peterS | it's not an expander, just maps ports 1 to 1, so you need multiple cables when you have more than 4 drives |
| 16:59.22 | peterS | FilipeMaia: yeah I wonder too |
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| 17:01.44 | peterS | FilipeMaia: in answer to your earlier question, the ports seem to be 0-based |
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| 17:02.00 | FilipeMaia | makes sense |
| 17:02.15 | peterS | FilipeMaia: as on my system the SAS card has 0 through 15 |
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| 17:02.38 | peterS | so I have to assume the expander ports are also 0-based |
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| 17:08.47 | FilipeMaia | peterS: /dev/sdc[no] are two SSDs that serve as OS disk and /dev/sdcm is a hardware RAID array |
| 17:09.21 | FilipeMaia | The SSDs are connected through SATA |
| 17:09.30 | tortal | so.. after scripting experiences of setting up lamp servers i finally got my dedicated cpu core in a hypervisor set up. went for debian even though im used to ubuntu for lamp. This is, i really want to set up some general-purpose server sandbox ,both for javaee/flask/django and REST/HTTP. Now my limited knowledge in security puts my in major risk here.. im just looking for some good guidelines.. |
| 17:09.30 | tortal | i will go in to IP tables. already set up no root acecss from sshd, and using sudo (which actually i broke)... how shall i proceed so that i won't be raped |
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| 17:12.55 | Naphatul | what version of gnome shell is jessie running? |
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| 17:13.55 | mtn | Naphatul: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 17:19.53 | hossein | Unpacking replacement proxychains ... Setting up proxychains (3.1-3) ... Processing triggers for man-db ... next-step? |
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| 17:21.18 | hypnocat | if i try to install some packages and the installation of some of them was interrupted because of an error, how can i continue this installation without reinstalling everything? |
| 17:21.24 | hypnocat | (using aptitude) |
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| 17:24.58 | hossein | help me ? |
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| 17:27.04 | ChrisH | hypnocat: run the same apt/aptitude command once more, it will continure |
| 17:27.10 | hypnocat | thanks |
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| 17:29.22 | ChrisH | Still trying to install a 3.9 kernel from backports. What did I overlooked here? http://paste.debian.net/12824/ apt-get update was done |
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| 17:32.47 | Zambezi | What does this mean? (X11 error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter))? I'm trying to start Skype via skyped. |
| 17:33.49 | hossein | i install proxychains_3.1-3_all.deb how to run & next step? ??????? |
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| 17:34.58 | Chat8399 | Xx |
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| 17:35.55 | mumpitzel | hossein: /usr/share/doc/proxychains/ |
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| 17:47.52 | ChrisH | looks like I am doing nothing wrong. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-486 shows not avaliable red |
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| 17:50.10 | ksuhku | http://bits.debian.org/2013/06/remove-debian-multimedia.html |
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| 18:11.43 | riceandbeans | I think I found a bug in debian stable |
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| 18:11.59 | riceandbeans | apt-get install snort-pgsql |
| 18:12.00 | riceandbeans | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:12.00 | riceandbeans | Building dependency tree |
| 18:12.00 | riceandbeans | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:12.00 | riceandbeans | The following extra packages will be installed: libdaq0 libdumbnet1 libmysqlclient18 libprelude2 mysql-common oinkmaster snort-common snort-common-libraries snort-rules-default |
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| 18:12.16 | riceandbeans | sorry |
| 18:12.45 | riceandbeans | basically snort defaults to needing mysql, but if you install the snort-pgsql package it wants to install mysql as well |
| 18:13.44 | riceandbeans | moreover, snort-pgsql doesn't actually bring in any postgresql packages |
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| 18:15.36 | dvs | riceandbeans: snort-pgsql depends on libpg5 |
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| 18:16.54 | foo__ | Hi. I can see states of my battery in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0. I try to figure out when battery is called BAT0, BAT1 (BAT2?!) and if it alway starts with BAT, so one can write BAT* or BAT? for autocomplete. Sry for bad english. |
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| 18:20.05 | riceandbeans | dvs: no it doesn't |
| 18:20.08 | mumpitzel | foo__: a laptop can have more than one battery. afaik it always starts with BAT0 |
| 18:20.24 | riceandbeans | dvs: dpkg -l | grep libpg returned nothing |
| 18:20.40 | riceandbeans | apt-get install snort-pgsql mentioned ONLY mysql and no postgres |
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| 18:20.44 | dvs | riceandbeans: sorry, libpq5 |
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| 18:20.51 | riceandbeans | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.52 | riceandbeans | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.13 | riceandbeans | hmmm, I do have that installed |
| 18:21.30 | riceandbeans | why is the lib called pq instead of pg, that makes no sense |
| 18:21.48 | dvs | dunno, that's why I thought it was libpg5 |
| 18:21.58 | riceandbeans | still, it's making me install a mysql server |
| 18:22.00 | TuXer | riceandbeans: Why iis a table table? an dnot chair? |
| 18:22.05 | riceandbeans | that seems wrong |
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| 18:22.45 | riceandbeans | TuXer: it's a random letter in a short name, it'd be more like why is there a k in knob |
| 18:23.18 | dvs | riceandbeans: uninstall the snort package |
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| 18:23.38 | foo__ | ehm, I've never seen a laptop with more then one battery . . . but some scripts that are using BAT1 and only that. HM. |
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| 18:24.54 | riceandbeans | dvs: it's not installed in the first place, I was looking at installing it |
| 18:25.20 | dvs | riceandbeans: uninstall the snort-mysql package? |
| 18:25.32 | riceandbeans | no snort is installed |
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| 18:30.06 | farciarz94 | hi I have problems with debian |
| 18:30.07 | sunbeam | hi, i cannot connect to my mail server, normally i would connect on port 25 |
| 18:30.11 | farciarz94 | http://dpaste.com/1271846/ |
| 18:30.11 | sunbeam | what other port can i try to connect to |
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| 18:31.01 | farciarz94 | please help how to solve it |
| 18:31.15 | mumpitzel | 587 for example. probably your ISP blocks the port? |
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| 18:53.27 | riceandbeans | sunbeam: what other ports does it listen on? |
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| 18:56.44 | lxsameer | hi, i'm on sid, after todays package upgrade, my fonts are messed up, does any one knows about this issue |
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| 18:58.19 | hypnocat | how can i see a list of files for a package that i do *not* have installed ? |
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| 18:58.57 | dvs | hypnocat: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 19:00.50 | hypnocat | thanks |
| 19:00.56 | dvs | no prob |
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| 19:08.59 | TuXer | Hey |
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| 19:10.49 | lancel | This is quite a wide question but.. If you use only open source code (i.e. for drivers and programs) in Linux (or whatever), can you validate that there is no unwanted (i.e. Prism-planted) code. How about the hardware, is there "open source" hardware or can you validate that that your HW is "clean"? |
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| 19:13.03 | Wizard | lancel: Probably. |
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| 19:13.33 | Wizard | lancel: But such questions should go to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 19:13.57 | lancel | Wizard: ok :) |
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| 19:17.56 | riceandbeans | lancel: prism-planted? |
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| 19:18.42 | s0m3body | hello there, I am having some issues with my server.. I can connect to it fine through SSH, but I can't ping anything or use aptitude, as it can't find the host |
| 19:18.52 | s0m3body | and I can't ping IP addresses either, so it's not the dns |
| 19:19.30 | zaltekk | iptables? |
| 19:19.46 | s0m3body | don't think so.. it just suddenly stopped working |
| 19:19.58 | DomiX | check with tcpdump |
| 19:20.04 | s0m3body | how do I do that? |
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| 19:20.08 | Dry_Lips | Hi! I use debian 7 with xfce. I have root disabled and use sudo instead, but now I've noticed that the xfce update manager won't accept my password... Is there any way to fix this? |
| 19:20.20 | zaltekk | riceandbeans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) |
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| 19:20.42 | rfarris | Hello, canyou get a i386 rootfs from debian.org? I thought you could but cant find it |
| 19:20.47 | riceandbeans | zaltekk: I know about US govt surveillance... |
| 19:20.58 | DomiX | s0m3body: ping your server and from your ssh session: tcpdump -ni ethX icmp and see if your are seeing echo/reply packets |
| 19:20.58 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: try running the update manager through terminal (sudo <command>) |
| 19:21.05 | riceandbeans | I was more baffled by asking about inclusion within debian |
| 19:21.22 | s0m3body | DomiX: tcpdump: ethX: No such device exists |
| 19:21.29 | rfarris | ha |
| 19:21.29 | zaltekk | ah |
| 19:21.38 | riceandbeans | I guess he was more broad than debian specific but still |
| 19:21.45 | DomiX | replace X with the correct number of your interfaces (ifconfig |
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| 19:22.25 | chemtail | Running wheezy 64bit, KDE. After an 'apt-get remove' of something non-critical like k3b or juk, 'apt-get autoremove' is set to remove the entire KDE system (base, config) and a heap of other stuff. |
| 19:22.29 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body: thanks, do you know what the name of the package is? Is it update-manager-core, perhaps? |
| 19:22.41 | rfarris | actually nvm I guess I can just use debootstrap |
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| 19:22.42 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: not sure, sorry! |
| 19:22.59 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: why not do an apt-get update instead? |
| 19:23.02 | chemtail | I can't even call autoremove now to delete unwanted packages because it'll remove all of KDE in the process. |
| 19:23.37 | s0m3body | DomiX: okay let me try that |
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| 19:24.08 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body: that's what I usually do, but there is a package that is held back, and the update-manager icon won't go away from my panel |
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| 19:24.55 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: apt-get install -f (to install missing packages) or just remove the damn package manager ;) |
| 19:25.05 | s0m3body | DomiX: tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode |
| 19:25.06 | s0m3body | listening on venet0:1, link-type LINUX_SLL (Linux cooked), capture size 65535 bytes |
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| 19:25.46 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body, I'll have to know the name of the package before I can remove it, though ;-) |
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| 19:26.02 | musca | lancel: short story you cannot trust software or hardware http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html |
| 19:26.23 | DomiX | s0m3body: are your sure it's venet0 ? |
| 19:26.40 | s0m3body | DomiX: yep |
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| 19:27.08 | Dry_Lips | s0me3body: If it is in the core xfce package, then I'm not sure if I can remove it without removing xfce as well... |
| 19:27.12 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: ughugh xfce x.x |
| 19:27.39 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: how about using root and doing the update through the manager |
| 19:27.52 | DomiX | s0m3body: ok, did you see any echo/reply ? |
| 19:27.57 | lancel | musca: ty |
| 19:28.01 | s0m3body | DomiX: None :/ |
| 19:28.03 | Nik05 | s0m3body what manager? |
| 19:28.11 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body, could do I guess, but I prefer the sudo system |
| 19:28.18 | s0m3body | Nik05: the update manager |
| 19:28.27 | Nik05 | which one? |
| 19:28.44 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: you can remove root after if you like, just use it to get this done |
| 19:28.49 | s0m3body | Nik05: xfce |
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| 19:29.16 | Dry_Lips | yeah, I could do do that I guess, s0m3body, but I |
| 19:29.23 | Dry_Lips | 'll have the same problem later |
| 19:29.24 | lxsameer | some of my fonts did not show up in my font lists. how can i fix that? |
| 19:29.35 | Dry_Lips | but thanks, anyway! :) |
| 19:29.39 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: how so? It looks like its just a package that's stuck there |
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| 19:29.52 | s0m3body | however, it should be fixed with apt-get anywho, unless there is a bug |
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| 19:30.06 | s0m3body | or it could be trying to install another package for you :S |
| 19:30.25 | DomiX | s0m3body: I dunno venet interface, if you don't see packet maybe they are captured by your firewall... |
| 19:30.26 | leftist | out of the box what desktop manager is debian 7 using? gnome 2?3? |
| 19:30.32 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body, well, I can do a dist-upgrade and it'll probably install the other package |
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| 19:31.48 | s0m3body | DomiX: how would I fix that? Tbh its just a server for running some torrents, so can I just remove iptables? or disable? |
| 19:32.22 | jelly-home | leftist: gnome 3 |
| 19:32.25 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: that could work :D not sure what you have against root anyway though :c |
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| 19:32.53 | Dry_Lips | s0m3body: 2 passwords instead of one? ugh :P |
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| 19:33.34 | s0m3body | Dry_Lips: just one if you use the root account! I just use debian servers though, #windows! Run as administrator <-- |
| 19:33.42 | DomiX | s0m3body: sorry it's beeing a long time since I touched iptables… |
| 19:34.06 | s0m3body | DomiX: D: same |
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| 19:34.36 | leftist | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:34.59 | DomiX | s0m3body: are you sure it's not a problem with your workstation ? |
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| 19:36.10 | s0m3body | DomiX: Nope, everything is running fine here, its a VPS though, but the node is also working fine |
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| 19:41.11 | DomiX | s0m3body: paste somewhere "ipables -L" |
| 19:41.18 | DomiX | iptables |
| 19:41.47 | s0m3body | DomiX: http://pastebin.com/U0nWEf1L |
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| 19:46.04 | s0m3body | DomiX: and this is a ping example |
| 19:46.07 | s0m3body | DomiX: http://pastebin.com/yz6tRkxc |
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| 19:47.31 | DomiX | s0m3body: I can ping you |
| 19:47.41 | DammitJim | is there a command or some configuration I can use to make an external hard drive spin down? |
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| 19:48.03 | DammitJim | I have this machine with an external hard drive and it is doing virtually "nothing" but the hard drive is spinning like crazy |
| 19:48.04 | ws2k3 | how do i find out which raid i have ? |
| 19:48.12 | ws2k3 | software raid 0 or 1 ? |
| 19:48.33 | DomiX | ws2k3: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:48.42 | s0m3body | DomiX: yes, I can ping the server too |
| 19:48.53 | s0m3body | DomiX: its not a local server, and its accepting connections |
| 19:49.36 | ws2k3 | ok thanks you |
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| 19:51.30 | DomiX | s0m3body: try traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
| 19:51.49 | s0m3body | DomiX: nope :/ |
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| 19:52.12 | DomiX | where it stops ? |
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| 19:53.33 | s0m3body | DomiX: doesn't even start :/ |
| 19:53.59 | s0m3body | DomiX: 1 46.21.xx.xx(46.21.xx.xx) 0.034 ms 0.009 ms 0.007 ms |
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| 19:54.49 | DomiX | maybe your routing table is not complete |
| 19:55.28 | frikinz | ping -n 8.8.8.8 ? |
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| 19:56.40 | s0m3body | frikinz: ping -n 8.8.8.8 |
| 19:56.45 | s0m3body | 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3000ms |
| 19:56.45 | s0m3body | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.08 | s0m3body | DomiX: Honestly I have no idea what happened... I just logged in today and it wasn't working :/ |
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| 19:58.30 | DomiX | paste your netstat -rn and ifconfig |
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| 20:01.25 | s0m3body | DomiX: http://pastebin.com/zyBbCJA6 |
| 20:01.26 | s0m3body | :) |
| 20:01.41 | KinkyPinkie | Hey. I've got a problem. All the graphical stuff on my laptop broke, so I wonder how I can install gnome from a live disc to the correct partition on my drive. |
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| 20:02.54 | mumpitzel | KinkyPinkie: there is no need for a live CD |
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| 20:03.27 | mumpitzel | KinkyPinkie: how did your "graphical stuff" break? |
| 20:03.31 | KinkyPinkie | mumpitzel: I figured I did need it, because I haven't got wired network access |
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| 20:04.17 | DomiX | s0m3body: your gateway looks weird to me |
| 20:04.26 | s0m3body | DomiX: its a vps |
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| 20:05.34 | DomiX | I could be wrong but 0.0.0.0 it's not a gateway for me |
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| 20:05.53 | KinkyPinkie | mumpitzel: I had disabled multiarch support a while ago, and tried to install skype with only few dependencies. That didn't work, and I forgot to remove what I did before trying to enable multiarch and installing skype the "proper" way again. So I figured it was a good idea to aptitude purge skype, which removed everything. |
| 20:06.20 | s0m3body | DomiX: Oh I didn't see that |
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| 20:06.27 | s0m3body | DomiX: what should I change it to? |
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| 20:08.18 | frikinz | I think that's typical for a vps |
| 20:08.47 | DomiX | ok |
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| 20:09.06 | DomiX | s0m3body: sorry no more idea :( |
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| 20:09.50 | s0m3body | D: |
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| 20:12.02 | s0m3body | DomiX: okay thanks anyway! Ill check with the admin |
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| 20:13.00 | KinkyPinkie | mumpitzel: any suggestion? |
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| 20:13.25 | DomiX | s0m3body: no problemo |
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| 20:14.55 | chemtail | apt randomly decides that a gig's worth of packages are "no longer required" after removing tiny, non-critical, stand-alone. |
| 20:14.55 | apt | that's too long, chemtail |
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| 20:15.05 | s0m3body | DomiX: check pm :) |
| 20:15.47 | chemtail | I uninstalled 'juk' and now autoremove wants to pull _all_ of KDE, java, and a bunch of other stuff because it thinks nothing depends on them. |
| 20:16.01 | chemtail | Even if I set the KDE base packages to manually installed. |
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| 20:16.16 | chemtail | This is in Wheezy, I should add. |
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| 20:18.04 | hron851 | Hi! I have a Debian 6.0.7 system and it says very-very strange errors: http://pastebin.com/pv0Y2rKP Any idea what can be happened? On console, I cannot login as root. No config file touched (ever) under /etc/pam.d/ |
| 20:18.42 | chemtail | tldr; apt/packages seem to have screwed up dependency handling in Wheezy |
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| 20:21.43 | hron85 | When I try to login (e.g.) as root, it does not asks me for password, just throws a "Login incorrect" |
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| 20:26.19 | KebabBob | Is upgrading from 6 to 7 via sources.list change (squeeze -> wheezy) "safe"? |
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| 20:29.03 | mumpitze1 | !tell KebabBob about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:29.33 | KebabBob | Fair enough :) |
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| 20:31.33 | KebabBob | Doesn't really answer the question of if it's safe tho.. |
| 20:31.41 | KebabBob | Wondering if I should run this on a production server or what |
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| 20:36.42 | KebabBob | uh oh... E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 20:38.27 | jelly-home | KebabBob: see also: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 20:39.36 | jelly-home | KebabBob: and /msg dpkg immediate configuration |
| 20:39.53 | jelly-home | is out |
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| 20:40.51 | ResQue | hey guys, i am thinking of switching from Ubuntu to Debian, the new UI and the cpu load for the new versions of ubuntu are just to much for me. Any advice? |
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| 20:42.39 | th0r | ResQue, I just did the same thing. Installed debian/xfce and it cured all the shortcomings of xubuntu/ubuntu |
| 20:43.06 | zykotick9 | ResQue: just be clear - debian is NOT ubuntu. they are different in many ways... |
| 20:43.07 | ResQue | th0r: thanks, i was wondering if i was making the right choice. Did you run in to any issues? |
| 20:43.36 | zykotick9 | ResQue: i was an ubuntu migrant myself, several years ago ;) |
| 20:43.56 | th0r | ResQue, I have a fairly generic Gateway netbook and it all went pretty straightforward. I do have a broadcom wifi that requires a bit of tweaking, but other than that...no issues |
| 20:43.58 | ResQue | zykotick9: ye i heard that ubuntu was based on debain at the start of its life cycle. Could you give me an example of one difference? |
| 20:44.21 | ResQue | i hear that debain is a rock solid stable OS and one of the more mature linux distros |
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| 20:44.28 | realf | hello guys! have anybody tried to install wheezy on macbook pro mid 2012? I want to install it in a dual-boot mode. should I use rEFIt/rEFInd? can I install it without rEFIt as a dual-boot? |
| 20:44.33 | zykotick9 | ResQue: debian is an enterprise grade - stable os. ubuntu is a cutting edge toy... |
| 20:44.44 | th0r | ResQue, I do miss the Users and Groups in Settings Manager. Todays project is to find out what to install to get that back <smile> |
| 20:44.57 | debdeb | i have an rtsp://xyz.mp4 stream, wich i want to be recorded in a file |
| 20:44.58 | ResQue | realf: use refind, it has been updated a lot more and is still in active development |
| 20:45.18 | debdeb | and i allready tried rtmpdump and gstreamer |
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| 20:45.24 | ResQue | debdeb: cant u just open the stream in vlc, and then clikc save straam? |
| 20:45.37 | debdeb | has to be console-based |
| 20:45.46 | ResQue | debdeb: you can use vlc on the console |
| 20:45.55 | debdeb | i know vlc may do that too |
| 20:46.03 | debdeb | but i dont know how :-( |
| 20:46.08 | realf | ResQue: I cannot sync MBR, it says like 'not found returned from gptsync_x64.efi' |
| 20:47.05 | ResQue | realf: use gpt fdisk to recreate the GPT/MBR hybrid: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/ |
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| 20:47.49 | realf | thank you, I'll try with it |
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| 20:48.00 | ResQue | realf: before you change anything, use gpt to backup the partition table to a external drive (cd/dvd/usb, etcc.) series man it will save you tons of time if u fuck up |
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| 20:48.26 | ResQue | i mean use gpt fdisk to backup, then use gpt fdisk to recreate the gpt/mbr hybride |
| 20:48.57 | realf | how do I restore backup (in case of a fuck up)? |
| 20:49.00 | ResQue | zykotick9: lolz i like the comparision ::P |
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| 20:50.44 | realf | ah, it's described in the doc on gdisk… sorry) |
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| 20:52.40 | DammitJim | anyone done NIC teaming? |
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| 20:58.31 | new[] | it's been written in the stars of our hearts and we can learn to love again |
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| 21:01.42 | nc90 | hi guys how can i install ONLY security updates using apt-get ? |
| 21:01.45 | nc90 | thanks in advance |
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| 21:02.25 | hron85 | nc90: unattended-upgrades? |
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| 21:02.39 | hron85 | iirc it installls only sec updates |
| 21:02.50 | hron85 | but i am not using it |
| 21:02.51 | nc90 | hron85: not automatically. i'd like to know just the command used |
| 21:02.56 | th0r | nc90, my guess would be to comment out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list except the security repos |
| 21:04.13 | nc90 | mmh.. th0r i want to keep also other sources in my configuration... is there a command that allows me to install updates only from security repo? |
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| 21:05.13 | th0r | nc90, I don't see any such option in apt-get |
| 21:05.31 | jeep | Hello |
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| 21:06.30 | nc90 | th0r: mmh.. thanks.. but how unattended-upgrades works? i'm sure that it uses apt-get to install only security updates |
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| 21:08.21 | th0r | nc90, I find no such command, or option in apt-get |
| 21:08.24 | atannus | What is de Debian equivalent of Ubuntu Server? I did some googling and it seems it is up to me to define what packages go into each installation... Anything worth reading? |
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| 21:08.46 | nc90 | th0r: many thanks |
| 21:08.51 | moof2 | atannus: debian stable? |
| 21:08.57 | atannus | I moof2 yes. |
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| 21:09.50 | zykotick9 | atannus: debian netinst is "like" ubuntu server, but an actual server-grade OS |
| 21:09.54 | moof2 | it is up to you, and of course it depends on what the box will serve |
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| 21:10.59 | jeep | Atannus should use a tutorial for which server "debian howto Apache " for example |
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| 21:12.17 | atannus | jeep, didn't follow that, sorry. |
| 21:12.22 | anonnumberanon | what's 'cd !$' again? |
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| 21:13.39 | jeep | Google "debian howto apache " for example or proftpd samba whatever your setting up |
| 21:14.19 | atannus | I've been running a basic lamp stack + beanstalk on top of ubuntu server 10.04 since late 2010... I've had to reboot twice (perhaps 3 times), only because of security updates, so it is pretty stable but no longer receiving sec updates. At work we're migrating all workstations to Debian, so I'd like to have that in our production environment too... I'm wondering if Debian ootb will peroform as well or if I should look into packages and tools Ubuntu might |
| 21:14.19 | atannus | have pre-installed for me... I don't even know where to begin. It made me so lazy! :) |
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| 21:14.47 | atannus | jeep, I don't think that's what I'm looking for... |
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| 21:16.08 | moof2 | if you run stable, there's not going to be much else than security updates... so I invite you to consider just taking the updates when you run the update command |
| 21:16.13 | zykotick9 | atannus: by way of comparison, ubuntu lucid was based on squeeze (while it was in testing). so the current "old-stable" = squeeze, would be VERY close to lucid as far as package age etc. BUT old-stable is still supported ;) |
| 21:16.15 | atannus | jeep by Ubuntu Server I don't mean a particular server (ftp, http, ssh, ...), but a bundle Canonical offers with no GUI and possibly preset tools for a pure server (as opposed to workstation) environment. |
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| 21:17.08 | atannus | hmmm. I'm either not expressing myself right or not getting what you guys are saying... |
| 21:17.24 | atannus | I'm not worried about packages on my stack. |
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| 21:17.47 | atannus | That's covered, Wheezy does splendid (except for gnome3). |
| 21:18.03 | jeep | Atannus i get it now use netinstall for a base install then install theservers you need |
| 21:18.04 | ResQue | atannus: why do you say except for gnome3? |
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| 21:18.11 | moof2 | which you're not going to run since you're running a server? |
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| 21:18.38 | atannus | ResQue, because I hate its guts. |
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| 21:18.56 | atannus | moof2, right. |
| 21:19.16 | ResQue | atannus: the reason i ask is i am looking to change to debain and not sure to choose KDE/Gnome3/XFCE they all seem to have good and bad points |
| 21:19.36 | moof2 | so, gnome2 is off your current support topic :) |
| 21:19.48 | atannus | moof2, right! |
| 21:20.05 | ResQue | moof2: thats also a good idea, are they still going to be supporting and developing it? |
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| 21:20.50 | jeep | Resque its all personal preference drive space is easy to come by try them all |
| 21:21.03 | atannus | ResQue, I'm giving gnome3 a shot once again, but it is just too shitty, I'm strongly considering moving to kde. |
| 21:21.06 | ResQue | jeep: interesting idea |
| 21:21.17 | moof2 | supporting/maintaining what? |
| 21:21.18 | ResQue | atannus: KDE is the devil :P |
| 21:21.27 | atannus | why? |
| 21:21.29 | ResQue | gnome2 |
| 21:21.41 | ResQue | atannus: im just joking, nothing wrong with the devil :-D |
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| 21:21.45 | moof2 | is curious what my good idea is! |
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| 21:22.29 | jeep | I use xfce with mix of gnome and kde programs so i tend to install everything |
| 21:22.30 | ResQue | now gnome3 is out, im not sure what will happen with 2. i am guessing the main dev team wants to push 3 forward |
| 21:22.58 | atannus | feels more like "push down the throat". The thing is not finished. |
| 21:23.02 | ResQue | what is the performace like with gnome 3? |
| 21:23.03 | zykotick9 | ResQue: gnome2 support is done... it's dead. |
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| 21:23.16 | ResQue | zykotick9: thanks, ye i will stay away then |
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| 21:23.41 | atannus | ResQue, well, it puts some weight on graphics with all the animations and fading and all that useless crap. |
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| 21:23.59 | ResQue | atannus: ye but you can turn that off right, its compiz it think? |
| 21:24.12 | atannus | ResQue, not compiz afaik |
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| 21:24.20 | moof2 | so debian isn't going to touch it in later versions of debian as that would require debian to take over that support |
| 21:24.21 | ResQue | atannus: ah i will google that |
| 21:24.22 | atannus | isn't it metacity? |
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| 21:25.30 | zykotick9 | no compiz in gnome3, mutter i believe |
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| 21:27.17 | atannus | Rephrasing: Are there maintenance packages I should consider for a basic production lamp server? |
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| 21:29.35 | moof2 | well there's backup... you should have a way to backup the database and the filesystem which is the service |
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| 21:30.05 | anonnumberanon | the Debian gui file search does not work from a fresh installm how odd |
| 21:30.20 | moof2 | there's keepalive or aliveness monitoring |
| 21:31.02 | atannus | moof2, keep going |
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| 21:31.13 | anonnumberanon | i think it would be gnome search instead that does not work |
| 21:31.53 | jeep | Atannus i always start with a hardened kernel |
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| 21:32.50 | moof2 | there's creating a new database and populating it with the tables that all aspects of the app need |
| 21:33.45 | moof2 | lots of times those are mostly scripts |
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| 21:36.02 | atannus | That's on me afaik. |
| 21:36.15 | moof2 | aliveness monitoring usually happens from a different host |
| 21:36.38 | moof2 | keepalive is simply restarting the server when it dies |
| 21:36.46 | atannus | yeah, my host actually has a service that covers that. |
| 21:37.47 | jeep | Atannus are you doing one server or many? |
| 21:37.59 | atannus | I'm looking into Ubuntu's difference between desktop and server editions and it seems server is pretty much desktop-gui |
| 21:38.15 | atannus | jeep, one for now, it'll be many soon. |
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| 21:39.23 | moof2 | as far as mysql, I have no idea how often it has to be restarted... if you're using postgres, my experience so far is never (assuming basic server partitioning, which first makes sure / never fills, and logs are on a separate partition from the data) |
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| 21:40.30 | ivanovnegro | is away: Away |
| 21:40.35 | atannus | moof, right now I don't have to worry about / filling. |
| 21:40.38 | jeep | Gonna set up a pxe install server ? |
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| 21:43.29 | moof2 | that sounds io-intensive |
| 21:43.51 | anonnumberanon | is there a gnome channel? I need to fix the gnome search |
| 21:43.58 | anonnumberanon | it is deactivated |
| 21:44.07 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, /msg alis help |
| 21:44.09 | atannus | anonnumberanon, what's wrong with it? |
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| 21:47.02 | anonnumberanon | atannus, I can't search, for instance I was about to get a torrent file transfer, the Gnome opened a window for which app I wanted to use to torrent and there was no available choice, so I wanted to find Transmission and opened another file browsing window to be able to write "Transmission" in the field and hopefully find its location (for the executable), but search returned nothing. |
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| 21:48.13 | moof2 | you can search the web for that stuff... you can use apt-file and packages.debian.org and udd |
| 21:48.49 | anonnumberanon | sure I could |
| 21:48.51 | anonnumberanon | hehe |
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| 21:49.30 | moof2 | you could do all the things mentioned in /msg dpkg search |
| 21:50.01 | anonnumberanon | I'll be fine. thanks |
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| 21:50.41 | moof2 | point being, gnome doesn't need to have a gui for each one |
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| 21:52.41 | anonnumberanon | I don't understand that grammar, I don' |
| 21:52.45 | atannus | anonnumberanon, odd, it doesn't work for me either. |
| 21:52.48 | anonnumberanon | t want to sound condescending |
| 21:54.02 | moof2 | curious, which part of the grammar are you having trouble with? |
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| 22:00.08 | maroloccio | hi. i need to recover grub on a mac mini (intel) w/ wheezy |
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| 22:00.27 | anonnumberanon | moof2: "Gnome doesn't need to have a GUI for each one" >> for each what? each way to use aptitude to find packages? "Does not need", ya but noone needs anything except water, air and food, |
| 22:00.59 | anonnumberanon | :) |
| 22:00.59 | moof2 | maroloccio, /msg dpkg fix grub |
| 22:01.06 | maroloccio | moof2: i'll try that.. that takes care of intel macs as well? |
| 22:01.29 | moof2 | I believe so... grub started life as intel afaik |
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| 22:02.20 | moof2 | anonnumberanon, for each different type of search, or for each different source of search data |
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| 22:10.54 | moof2 | maybe when a situation like where gnome tries to open a file (like a torrent) and gnome would otherwise say "couldn't find a program to handle those", it should search for packages that handle that (as a mime type?) without having to know more about torrents except they end in .torrent -- this would require package metadata |
| 22:11.35 | moof2 | without something like that, and more coverage for similar situations, gnome (and others) seem incomplete |
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| 22:19.36 | anonnumberanon | well sure, but Nautilus isn't working and the web doesn't talk about it |
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| 22:25.26 | atannus | Yah, let's remove the minimize button. That's useless, no one ever wants to minimize a window. And while at it, let's remove the toggle button, screw anyone who uses that. And alt-tab? Let's completely change how that works and make sure it is impossible to efficiently tab between two distinct applications. Who would want to do that, right? |
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| 22:26.35 | maroloccio | moof2: i interacted a bit with the bot |
| 22:26.36 | atannus | A taskbar? Useless. System tray? Thing of the past. Launcher? Who needs it? I just use my Debian to watch movies and look at my vacation pictures, one at a time. |
| 22:26.40 | maroloccio | twas fun but i did not solve my problem |
| 22:27.02 | maroloccio | what is a good troubleshooting sequence to recover a mac with wheezy and a broken grub? |
| 22:27.18 | anonnumberanon | atannus, YES |
| 22:27.19 | atannus | maroloccio, do you have an empty partition? |
| 22:27.35 | atannus | maroloccio, or one you can spare? |
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| 22:28.49 | atannus | When you install a fresh os, it usually detects other OSs on the disk and updates grub accordingly... perhaps that might help.... I don't know much about grub. |
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| 22:28.59 | atannus | anonnumberanon, yes what? |
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| 22:31.07 | anonnumberanon | yes I feel all these things you said also |
| 22:31.09 | FilipeMaia | peterS: I just wanted to let you know that all 4 ports are actually used, just that the script you gave me only shows the last one |
| 22:36.13 | peterS | FilipeMaia: so the "phy-*:3" symlink in /sys is not really to be believed? |
| 22:36.35 | FilipeMaia | peterS: no, the symlink is to be believed |
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| 22:36.46 | peterS | or maybe in the expander case there's actually multiple symlinks created and my script just didn't notice the rest? |
| 22:36.46 | FilipeMaia | but there's also a :2 a :1 and a :0 |
| 22:36.52 | FilipeMaia | exactly |
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| 22:36.58 | peterS | ahh, yeah. my one-liner was definitely, you know, a one-liner |
| 22:37.10 | FilipeMaia | A remarkably good one i must say |
| 22:37.13 | peterS | thanks (: |
| 22:37.29 | peterS | I guess that explains why we saw only the last link in the 8088 cable |
| 22:37.42 | FilipeMaia | yup |
| 22:38.02 | FilipeMaia | do you know what the digit before the : means? |
| 22:38.18 | FilipeMaia | like the 6 in phy-8:6:7 |
| 22:38.24 | peterS | ummmm ... I think Linux numbers these interfaces in some way |
| 22:38.54 | peterS | exactly how the numbering works I have not really determined |
| 22:39.06 | zinx | peterS: much of Linux is first come first serve |
| 22:39.07 | peterS | (partly becuase I only have one SAS card and no expanders to look at here) |
| 22:39.10 | FilipeMaia | peterS: but is it related to the hardware os just a software thing? |
| 22:39.33 | peterS | FilipeMaia: I'm guessing it is scan / detection order in the kernel, at boot time, and probably not something you can rely on to be persistent across boots |
| 22:39.46 | FilipeMaia | peterS: does it denote for example the SAS device ID or something? |
| 22:40.00 | FilipeMaia | such that all those sharing the same number are attached to the same thing? |
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| 22:40.46 | peterS | well, take an example disk on my system: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:0d:00.0/host2/port-2:100/end_device-2:100/target2:0:100/2:0:100:0/block/sdc |
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| 22:41.04 | peterS | note the "host2" part. That means it's the third detected SCSI host interface |
| 22:41.15 | peterS | the first two being, I think, onboard SATA or something |
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| 22:41.36 | peterS | then the 2 in "port2:100" probably is the same thing as the 2 in host2 |
| 22:42.23 | peterS | and likewise the "phy-2:0" through "phy-2:15" that are also under host2 |
| 22:42.24 | FilipeMaia | peterS: and that matches the phy number? |
| 22:42.28 | FilipeMaia | ok, thank |
| 22:42.44 | peterS | FilipeMaia: it does on my system. But I have only a single SAS card, so it is hard for me to be sure it is not just a coincidence |
| 22:42.54 | FilipeMaia | of course |
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| 22:43.49 | atannus | feels confident |
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| 22:44.04 | atannus | Hey, I'll go see about that server. ttyl, thansk all. |
| 22:44.04 | peterS | what you have to understand is that everything I know about SAS and /sys/devices, I have learned just by poking around this one system. (And now with your system, I know how it notates SAS expanders.) |
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| 22:44.56 | FilipeMaia | Here's another example |
| 22:45.14 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.19 | FilipeMaia | phy is phy-0:1:18/ |
| 22:45.41 | peterS | which phy? there should be 3 phy-* at 3 different levels, there |
| 22:45.45 | FilipeMaia | the last one |
| 22:45.53 | FilipeMaia | the deepest |
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| 22:46.28 | peterS | right, so, "physical port 18" on the expander, but the 0:1: are a bit more mysterious |
| 22:46.41 | FilipeMaia | above it is phy-0:0:[0-3/ |
| 22:46.53 | FilipeMaia | that was phy-0:0:[0-3] |
| 22:47.04 | peterS | right - you said it uses all 4 links and notes that in /sys |
| 22:47.21 | FilipeMaia | and above it phy-0:[0-3] |
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| 22:47.35 | FilipeMaia | so it looks like the extra digit is just used for expanders |
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| 22:47.50 | peterS | apparently so. but how to predict or interpret that middle digit, your guess is as good as mine |
| 22:48.03 | FilipeMaia | I think the middle digit represents the expander ID |
| 22:48.13 | peterS | of course you could go read the linux kernel SCSI / SAS source code and eventually figure it out |
| 22:48.16 | peterS | I haven't done so |
| 22:48.27 | FilipeMaia | that's going a bit too far for me :) |
| 22:48.28 | peterS | heh |
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| 22:49.47 | maroloccio | atannus: i suppose i do or i can do |
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| 22:50.13 | maroloccio | all i get now is: no bootable device. insert boot disk and press any key |
| 22:50.39 | peterS | "insert boot disk" used to mean floppy. these days I guess they mean USB. |
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| 22:56.37 | anonnumberanon | how do you call the user interface in a desktop environment? |
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| 23:01.15 | anonnumberanon | the shell? |
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| 23:15.01 | bjoernb_ | hi |
| 23:15.34 | muck | peace |
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| 23:19.50 | bjoernb_ | i am using iceweasel and since some days forms are not displayed with decorations any more. i cannot see checkboxes or radiobuttons as well as edit fields. screenshot: http://bjoern.homelinux.org/public_stuff/wikipedia-debian.png |
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| 23:20.10 | bjoernb_ | am i missing a package that is responsible for that decoration? |
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| 23:35.04 | bjoernb_ | bbl. good night, you may query me, if you have an answer. |
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| 23:40.01 | vultyre | Yesterday I installed Debian with XFCE4. Today I ran dist-upgrade and now my default DE is GNOME and I can no longer use XFCE4 from the DM. I haven't used Debian in a while. Does anybody know what happened? |
| 23:41.45 | riceandbeans | what release are you using? |
| 23:42.08 | vultyre | Testing, with unstable Iceweasel installed |
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| 23:43.45 | riceandbeans | and for a DM you're using GDM3? |
| 23:45.46 | vultyre | that is the default for debian, correct? |
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| 23:47.31 | vultyre | I am using lightdm |
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| 23:49.09 | vultyre | I wouldn't have a problem with reinstalling now, I'd just like to be able to prevent it from happening in the future |
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| 23:50.36 | Arrowmaster | so you ran a dist-upgrade and it removed xfce and you want to know how to prevent it in the future? |
| 23:51.39 | vultyre | I believed that dist-upgrade would just update/fix dependencies, not remove xfce |
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| 23:53.44 | Arrowmaster | dist-upgrade removes stuff if it needs to |
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