| 00:00.55 | jelly-home | mersault: whatever you prefer, either dpkg or readd squeeze sources back and apt |
| 00:01.56 | error3_ | mersault: is it rebooting on a specific action,or just randomly? |
| 00:02.29 | lenswipe | error3_, so yeah I'm printing from debian to debian and the job is stalling on my local CUPS server with the message: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed" |
| 00:03.31 | mersault | error3_: I was at work all of today, and during that time it rebooted several times. It's a a Xen host, with my router as a domU, and the girlfriend was home using the internet, but she wouldn't have interacted with the host directly. there may be a trigger, but I don't know what it would be. |
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| 00:04.23 | error3_ | so the dom0 is rebooting or the domUN |
| 00:04.25 | error3_ | ? |
| 00:05.28 | mersault | error3_: dom0 |
| 00:05.37 | mersault | if it were a domU I'd have better visibility |
| 00:06.04 | mersault | I'm just saying the domU would have likely been doing something, but the dom0 is the one rebooting. |
| 00:06.27 | mersault | the dom0 is running very few services. it's a xen host and file server. |
| 00:06.43 | mersault | anything more interesting I reserve for domU. it's a mix of HVM and PVM domU. |
| 00:06.46 | error3_ | could you try desabling everything related to watchdog? |
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| 00:08.08 | mersault | error3_: done. |
| 00:08.13 | error3_ | ok |
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| 00:08.23 | error3_ | then on next reboot, check the ram |
| 00:09.14 | mersault | hmmm… I see memtest86 and memtest86+ in apt - does it matter which I install? |
| 00:09.16 | error3_ | you can probably do it with memtest |
| 00:09.18 | error3_ | yeah |
| 00:09.25 | error3_ | I really don't know |
| 00:09.39 | error3_ | I never actually used them, I just know they exist... |
| 00:09.49 | mersault | I've used them, but usually from install media. |
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| 00:10.25 | error3_ | another thing you can do, is trying to not start any of the domU and see if the server is rebooting... |
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| 00:10.36 | error3_ | you can also try to reboot without XEN |
| 00:10.41 | error3_ | and see if it reboots |
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| 00:11.05 | mersault | error3_: aye, problem is then large amounts of my network are down, and the reboots are so random. |
| 00:11.15 | mersault | so we'll call those desperation measures. |
| 00:11.21 | error3_ | :/ |
| 00:11.30 | error3_ | if it's multiple per day, it's not that bad |
| 00:11.32 | error3_ | for reproduce it |
| 00:11.37 | error3_ | reproducing i t |
| 00:11.48 | error3_ | but yeah I understand it can be annoying |
| 00:11.50 | mersault | if I get a hard crash tonight, and it doesn't reboot, then I'll do that over the weekend (going to the cottage, won't need the network) |
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| 00:12.53 | mersault | So, while I wait for a crash… any recommendations on hardware to get if I want a current gen Debian dom0? |
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| 00:13.19 | mersault | I guess I could always turn my desktop into the server, and use that as an excuse to upgrade my workstation.... |
| 00:13.35 | error3_ | I really have no idea... i currently have lots of problem with my system :) |
| 00:13.40 | error3_ | (basically a FS corruption) |
| 00:13.54 | error3_ | so I'm not yet to re-start my xen domU... |
| 00:13.58 | mersault | that blows. the one thing I'm really happy about is that my data appears to be consistent |
| 00:14.07 | error3_ | and I have very old hardware so I probably can't help you |
| 00:14.24 | error3_ | yeah keeping the data is great :) |
| 00:14.27 | mersault | mdadm raid 6 with lvm on top. best aspect of my system right now. |
| 00:14.48 | error3_ | I have just a raid1 with ext4 on top |
| 00:14.52 | mersault | the OS is on a separate disk. I've had two drives fail in the array over the years, been able to rebuild smoothly both times. |
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| 00:15.14 | mersault | actually, the lockups started around the same time as the most recent disk failure. |
| 00:15.18 | error3_ | yeah I had some disks failure the last 5 years |
| 00:15.25 | error3_ | and I've been able to replace them well :) |
| 00:15.34 | error3_ | mmm that is interesting :) |
| 00:15.37 | error3_ | could be a clue |
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| 00:16.06 | mersault | yeah, though I'm not really sure about what. once the raid rebuild was good the system was good for about a week. |
| 00:16.07 | error3_ | mersault: so you checked all log files? |
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| 00:16.32 | mersault | yeah. kern.log, messages, debug, daemon. |
| 00:16.50 | mersault | I added an option in rsyslog.conf to send *.emerg to emergency.log as well as console. |
| 00:16.56 | error3_ | ok |
| 00:16.59 | error3_ | makes sense... |
| 00:17.01 | mersault | see if that does anything |
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| 00:17.37 | error3_ | do you know if like temperature of your pc is ok? |
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| 00:17.53 | error3_ | I know some bios can choose to restart PC when it's overheating |
| 00:18.12 | mersault | thinking about adding an option to send syslog to my media centre as well, which is the only other host that's always likely to be up. |
| 00:18.39 | mersault | cpu cores are between 60 and 70 celcius |
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| 00:19.23 | mersault | hard disks between 35 and 42 |
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| 00:19.42 | error3_ | ok |
| 00:19.45 | mersault | CPU and MB are 41-44 |
| 00:19.54 | mersault | all of those seem reasonable to me. |
| 00:19.56 | error3_ | could you try to stress up a bit the machine? |
| 00:20.06 | error3_ | see if that makes something happening |
| 00:20.18 | error3_ | oh I know you should deactivate RoL |
| 00:20.22 | error3_ | (reboot on lan) |
| 00:20.24 | error3_ | (kidding) |
| 00:21.17 | mersault | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M | gzip > /dev/null |
| 00:21.49 | mersault | running four instances of that. |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | there's aprogram called cpuburn .. but i've killed hardware with it :) |
| 00:22.14 | mersault | it's a core2quad, so that should get all four cores running at full tilt. |
| 00:23.03 | error3_ | abrotman: lol really? |
| 00:23.03 | dvs | O_o |
| 00:23.05 | error3_ | fun |
| 00:23.26 | error3_ | mersault: does that kind of dd really use CPU? |
| 00:23.30 | dvs | mersault: compile a kernel! |
| 00:23.37 | abrotman | judgrrr |
| 00:23.42 | abrotman | dpkg: info cpuburn |
| 00:23.48 | mersault | error3_: the dd of /dev/zero is just to I can blast gzip with bits |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: no judd? |
| 00:24.03 | error3_ | oh sorry I missed the gzip in your command |
| 00:24.06 | mersault | it's the gzip that turns the cpu into an easy-bake oven. |
| 00:24.11 | error3_ | yeah |
| 00:24.29 | lenswipe | anyone have any ideas about my printer problems? |
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| 00:24.42 | mersault | hottest core is now 90, cpu is over 60 |
| 00:24.42 | error3_ | lenswipe: sorry I forgot |
| 00:24.44 | dpkg | cpuburn: (Collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4a-5 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:24.49 | mersault | so we're "high" |
| 00:25.08 | mersault | drives are no hotter, since this is specifically a cpu burn |
| 00:25.12 | lenswipe | error3_, no worries :) |
| 00:25.22 | error3_ | lenswipe: would that help: http://forum.eeeuser.com/index.php?/topic/16111-cannot-print-usrlibcupsbackendipp-failed/ |
| 00:25.23 | lenswipe | error3_, just having issues printing from CUPS to CUPS |
| 00:25.33 | lenswipe | error3_, it might - lemme take a look |
| 00:25.49 | error3_ | mersault: prepare watter to cool it down! |
| 00:26.01 | error3_ | i'm sure it will reboot for the last time! |
| 00:26.31 | mersault | typically the box runs with load in the 0.5-2.0 range. |
| 00:27.14 | error3_ | :) |
| 00:27.20 | mersault | hottest core is still only 92, the increasing cpu temp appears to be because the rest of the cores are joining |
| 00:27.47 | error3_ | gzipping an infinite sequence of 0 seems obvious... |
| 00:27.57 | error3_ | why do it need cpu for that O_o |
| 00:27.59 | error3_ | ;) |
| 00:28.14 | error3_ | with /dev/random that would make more sense |
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| 00:30.16 | dn4 | !topic |
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| 00:31.09 | mersault | I found /dev/random didn't give bits fast enough |
| 00:31.10 | lenswipe | error3_, that likely won't help because I don't have a /etc/cups/mime.convs |
| 00:31.32 | error3_ | mersault: try with /dev/urandom ;) |
| 00:31.38 | error3_ | doesn't it come faster? |
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| 00:32.14 | lenswipe | error3_, oh, but I do have a /etc/cups/raw.types with application/octet-stream in it and it's not commented out |
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| 00:33.28 | error3_ | lenswipe: do you have more details in cups log? |
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| 00:48.08 | lenswipe | error3_, oddly enough there aren't |
| 00:48.27 | lenswipe | error3_, just a very terse: " |
| 00:48.28 | lenswipe | * Sary (~sary@pdpc/supporter/student/sary) has joined #debian" |
| 00:48.39 | lenswipe | oops |
| 00:48.45 | lenswipe | paste fail |
| 00:48.49 | lenswipe | I meant to paste: E [28/Jun/2013:01:46:31 +0100] [Job 33] Stopping unresponsive job! |
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| 00:52.59 | lenswipe | error3_, right now it's holding the job with that message |
| 00:53.03 | lenswipe | held since |
| 00:53.04 | lenswipe | Fri 28 Jun 2013 01:31:47 BST |
| 00:53.04 | lenswipe | "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed" |
| 00:53.13 | lenswipe | clicking release job does nothing |
| 00:54.17 | error3_ | mmm I falling asleep lenswipe sorry |
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| 00:54.53 | lenswipe | error3_, no worries, I'll ask someone else |
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| 00:54.56 | lenswipe | thanks anyway thouhg |
| 00:54.58 | lenswipe | are you in the UK? |
| 00:55.03 | error3_ | France |
| 00:55.19 | error3_ | 3:00 is time to sleep |
| 00:55.24 | error3_ | (am) |
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| 00:57.54 | lenswipe | error3_, i'm in scotland and it's 2am :p |
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| 01:00.48 | error3_ | lenswipe: lucky you ;) |
| 01:02.45 | lenswipe | error3_, lol |
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| 01:11.25 | bosss | hey guys |
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| 01:11.53 | bosss | woops |
| 01:12.53 | bosss | sooo, every time I type "apt-get something" it says "/usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file" |
| 01:13.08 | error3_ | ... |
| 01:13.17 | error3_ | do you want to apt-get install <something> ? |
| 01:13.26 | error3_ | if so, you are just missing something :P |
| 01:13.29 | bosss | yes |
| 01:13.36 | bosss | such as? |
| 01:13.43 | error3_ | install ? |
| 01:13.51 | bosss | lol |
| 01:13.54 | error3_ | ;) |
| 01:13.55 | bosss | no I type something like |
| 01:14.10 | bosss | su root apt-get install kvirc |
| 01:14.23 | error3_ | I guess your partition is not mount as noexec, or you wouldn't be able to execute anything... |
| 01:14.38 | bosss | I don't even understand that |
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| 01:15.00 | error3_ | well you have a hard drive |
| 01:15.04 | bosss | yessir |
| 01:15.10 | error3_ | that hard drive can be partitionned (split) in multiple partition |
| 01:15.17 | bosss | I dig that |
| 01:15.32 | error3_ | some partition can be mount (= attached to the <root>) |
| 01:15.47 | error3_ | and you can put options when mounting them |
| 01:15.50 | error3_ | one option is |
| 01:15.51 | error3_ | noexec |
| 01:15.55 | bosss | ah |
| 01:15.56 | error3_ | and means: you can't execute it |
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| 01:16.17 | error3_ | but i don't think it is your problem here... |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | thought error3_ was going to bed .. |
| 01:16.27 | bosss | I don't think so either |
| 01:16.31 | mersault | error3_: rebooted just now. |
| 01:16.43 | lenswipe | thought error3_ was going to bed too |
| 01:16.44 | error3_ | ok so your problem is your command boss :) |
| 01:17.28 | error3_ | bosss: you have to specify the command you want to su with -C |
| 01:17.37 | error3_ | bosss: like su root -c apt-get install <yourpackage> |
| 01:17.51 | error3_ | and you could use sudo which is better |
| 01:17.54 | lenswipe | +1 |
| 01:18.00 | lenswipe | <error3_> and you could use sudo which is better |
| 01:18.00 | error3_ | lenswipe: well I should have :/ |
| 01:18.05 | lenswipe | so much that |
| 01:18.08 | lenswipe | ah lol |
| 01:18.19 | error3_ | yeah you have to avoid to type your root password all the time |
| 01:18.21 | bosss | sudo asks for a password that I don't know |
| 01:18.23 | error3_ | and limit sudo to certain commands :) |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | not sure i'd say it's better, it's different |
| 01:18.31 | error3_ | bosss: it's asking for your user password |
| 01:18.38 | error3_ | not the root password |
| 01:18.46 | bosss | I'm aware. |
| 01:19.01 | error3_ | abrotman: I'm gonna go to bed |
| 01:19.05 | bosss | anyway, when I do the command with -c, it gives me a menu or things |
| 01:19.25 | bosss | and it shows me the usage |
| 01:19.28 | error3_ | maybe because your command is invalide :) |
| 01:19.31 | error3_ | invalid |
| 01:19.47 | bosss | so I need to type install twice? |
| 01:19.53 | error3_ | I don't think so |
| 01:19.56 | error3_ | what did you type? |
| 01:20.00 | bosss | 1 sec |
| 01:20.39 | bosss | "su root apt-get install install kvirc" |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | didn't make it very far ... |
| 01:20.43 | error3_ | oh you probably need double quotes around your command |
| 01:20.52 | bosss | but first I did with one install |
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| 01:21.08 | error3_ | su root -c "apt-get install kvirc |
| 01:21.08 | error3_ | " |
| 01:21.18 | error3_ | sorry second double quote on the same line |
| 01:21.29 | mersault | okay, new task: why is my host rebooting randomly, rather than hanging like a normal host? |
| 01:21.42 | bosss | Fuck yeah, thanks brother |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | mersault: clean reboot, or reset? |
| 01:22.06 | bosss | simple syntax error is all |
| 01:22.33 | error3_ | abrotman: I think it's a reset |
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| 01:22.40 | abrotman | that's why i'm asking mersault |
| 01:22.45 | error3_ | yeah... |
| 01:22.52 | mersault | abrotman: dunno. was reading an artlcle, clicked to the next page, didn't load, flipped monitor to vga input and it was already booting. |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | not the person that's going to bed :) |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | mersault: it does matter |
| 01:23.02 | error3_ | ok i'm not here anymore |
| 01:23.18 | mersault | night error3_, thanks for the assistance. |
| 01:23.31 | error3_ | you're welcome. |
| 01:23.37 | bosss | Thank you |
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| 01:23.55 | mersault | abrotman: I didn't touch the host. I'd long since stopped my crazy gzip commands. |
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| 01:25.42 | mersault | I didn't toggle the power or reset switches (infact, they're behind a cover so not likely an accidental bump or anything). as I said earlier, my router is one of the domU, so it failed and rebooted very quickly - in the time it took me to read one page of a forum. |
| 01:26.28 | mersault | it wasn't done booting when I noticed, but it was long past the stage where any diagnostic info was on screen. |
| 01:26.43 | mersault | nothing in the emergency.log I setup for *.emerg is rsyslog |
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| 01:53.24 | Jef91 | Anyone know off hand what the package for python gtk3 bindings is called |
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| 01:53.55 | abrotman | apt-cache search python gtk3 ? |
| 01:54.05 | lenswipe | anyone able to help me with my CUPS issue? |
| 01:54.15 | lenswipe | having problems printing from one CUPS server to another |
| 01:54.25 | dvs | lenswipe: I've never even heard of a CUPS to CUPS print |
| 01:54.37 | lenswipe | the client CUPS machine is holding the job indefinitely "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed" |
| 01:55.06 | Jef91 | abrotman: that only yields python-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets |
| 01:55.15 | Jef91 | which doesn't appear to be the python bindings for generic GTK3 |
| 01:55.24 | lenswipe | dvs, i have a cups server sharing printers for windows clients, I have my desktop computer connecting to that (for some reason using cups) |
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| 01:56.42 | lenswipe | dvs, failing that how do i print to a remote cups server from debian? |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | floppy drive |
| 01:58.10 | lenswipe | hands abrotman a floppy drive |
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| 01:58.29 | dvs | lenswipe: dunno. I've never done that before. |
| 01:58.40 | lenswipe | dvs, so how do you do network printing on linux? |
| 01:58.48 | lenswipe | abrotman, http://media.tumblr.com/0cde6afbaa40932ee93df150d9cf24b5/tumblr_inline_modtr5lO1U1qz4rgp.gif |
| 01:59.19 | dvs | lenswipe: I don't. My printer is connected to my computer by USB. |
| 01:59.37 | lenswipe | >.> |
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| 01:59.42 | lenswipe | T_T |
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| 02:01.07 | dvs | I've been trying to setup and outgoing fax printer for the occasional fax but it aint working so far. |
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| 02:14.44 | atannus | is getting his ass kicked by bind9 |
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| 02:18.33 | abrotman | he made it back after all |
| 02:18.57 | dvs | lays more land mines |
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| 02:21.45 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 02:24.12 | RJ45 | how does one chage the position of the Date/Time in the panel of the latest Debian?, I'm used-to the way the old Gnome works (which was way better) |
| 02:24.20 | RJ45 | change* |
| 02:24.22 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:25.29 | RJ45 | ??? |
| 02:26.06 | Arrowmaster | gnome3? |
| 02:26.21 | dvs | what else? |
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| 02:26.32 | Arrowmaster | probably have to find an extension that does it |
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| 02:26.35 | phlux | RJ45: You may want to install MATE...it's a fork of GNOME2 (or what you'd call the "old Gnome" |
| 02:27.02 | Arrowmaster | oh mate is in debian now |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | sadly |
| 02:27.17 | phlux | ah..that I don't know |
| 02:27.17 | Arrowmaster | guess they must have fixed the duplicated libs |
| 02:27.19 | RJ45 | I've looked everywhere, and there's no way to personalize this crappy new version of Gnome!, I want muh panel back! X_X |
| 02:27.20 | phlux | I run Gentoo locally |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | RJ45: did you try to find someting on extension.gnome.org ? |
| 02:27.41 | RJ45 | what? |
| 02:27.57 | Arrowmaster | personally i recommend cinnamon |
| 02:27.58 | phlux | DID YOU TRY TO FIND SOMETING ON EXTENSION.GNOME.ORG? |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | RJ45: http://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | phlux: knock it off |
| 02:28.05 | RJ45 | I just wanna make some alterations to the Gnome Panel in DebiaN! |
| 02:28.14 | RJ45 | Deabian* |
| 02:28.18 | Arrowmaster | RJ45: the gnome devs went full retard |
| 02:28.20 | RJ45 | ...fuck my typing |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | RJ45: http://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: please stop |
| 02:29.07 | RJ45 | Arrowmaster: ffs... what's wrong with the Gnome devs!?, why are they trying to destroy Gnome!?! |
| 02:29.21 | Arrowmaster | RJ45: im just saying you cant blame this on debian, gnome devs removed a lot of features so you have to find extensions for them on http://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | or just keep ignoring helpful advice |
| 02:29.56 | RJ45 | I have-to install an 'Extension', just to move the position of the Date/Time!?! |
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| 02:30.01 | RJ45 | ...for real!?? |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | RJ45: you're welcome to use another WM in wheezy, no one is making you use Gnome3 |
| 02:30.46 | RJ45 | seriously though, is that right? |
| 02:30.53 | Arrowmaster | sadly yes |
| 02:31.01 | abrotman | RJ45: there are lots of extensions, some do some pretty neat things |
| 02:31.04 | RJ45 | WTF!?!, is this some sorta bad joke!? |
| 02:31.29 | dvs | RJ45: Well, either get the extensions you want or move on to another DE |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | RJ45: so use something else |
| 02:31.32 | RJ45 | I wanna hit some Gnome devs in the face right now... |
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| 02:31.39 | abrotman | RJ45: do you actually want help? |
| 02:31.43 | Arrowmaster | i had a lot of issues with extensions when i tried them, everything was always quickly updated for the latest version of gnome which wasnt in debian |
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| 02:32.02 | RJ45 | ¬_¬ |
| 02:32.09 | Arrowmaster | and no way to get versions for older versions of gnome |
| 02:32.12 | th3pun15h3r | searched online for info about how long will debian squeeze be supported till. Anyone know? |
| 02:32.23 | dvs | th3pun15h3r: Feb 2014 |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | th3pun15h3r: one year after wheezy's releaes |
| 02:32.40 | th3pun15h3r | thank you dvs abrotman. |
| 02:34.08 | Dank | I'm back |
| 02:34.10 | Dank | forever |
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| 02:34.18 | dvs | runs |
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| 02:35.10 | lenswipe | so im sharing a printer with CUPS and it's using DNSSD to make the printer discoverable on the network |
| 02:35.39 | lenswipe | the only trouble is that instead of serving the printer up with it's normal name "Laser1" it's serving it up with a sliced chunk of it's make/model string which ends up being "series" |
| 02:35.42 | lenswipe | anyone know what's up with that?> |
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| 02:36.10 | atannus | f%@$#% semicolon... |
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| 03:16.42 | deltaray | Hi, after installing Debian, all the places where icons would show up it is just showing me a page icon with a red x in it. I assume this means the icon files are missing or something. |
| 03:17.08 | deltaray | I checked to make sure I had gnome-icon-theme and some others installed. I even tried reinstalling them, but none of that is working. |
| 03:17.12 | deltaray | ideas? |
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| 03:36.16 | sideup66 | Hey room, does anyone here use any free dns clients to establish sub domains |
| 03:36.36 | atannus | clients? |
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| 03:37.01 | sideup66 | im asking because I need some help setting up ddclient, I cant seem to find the stupid protocol needed to connect to the freedns service I just set up |
| 03:37.33 | sideup66 | I'm using afraid.freedns.org, but in ddclient it asks for the protocol, im not sure what works frankly |
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| 03:38.03 | OptimizedCoder | Quick help guys,. I'm booted into 32-bit linux - don't have CD writer or USB sticks. I have already d/led the netinst ISO - I want to install the bare minimum as I like. I have mounted the ISO - Can I jsut install to my new HDD - /dev/sdc ? |
| 03:38.04 | atannus | I use dyndns and I remember they had a guide do setup ddclient. |
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| 03:38.25 | OptimizedCoder | I'd like to install the 64-bit version on /dev/sdc - that is the ISO I d/led |
| 03:39.53 | sideup66 | atannus, should I switch over to them then? I never used anything like this before so Im trying to figure it out for the first time, my goals are ssh and sftp servers running off of my home server |
| 03:40.15 | deltaray | Weird, so I fixed my problem by running this: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache |
| 03:40.54 | mumpitze1 | sideup66: dyndns doesn't accept free new registrations anymore. you can't switch. and you need to log in to their website once a month or the host expire |
| 03:41.20 | mumpitze1 | OptimizedCoder: no you can't |
| 03:41.50 | sideup66 | oh, ok mumpitzel, seems freedns is well, free |
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| 03:42.03 | mumpitze1 | Opiumozor: it might work if you boot a 64bit kernel (you can do this under a 32bit linux) and then chroot to the mounted CD or use debootstrap |
| 03:42.11 | sideup66 | i just need to get the stupid thing to update, I did find a windows client that worked under wine, not sure about the service though |
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| 03:44.30 | mumpitze1 | sideup66: http://freedns.afraid.org/scripts/freedns.clients.php says they support ddclient and they give an example config |
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| 03:46.27 | kittonian | hi all. can anyone help me figure out how to realtime monitor an ip on the lan to see all the incoming and outgoing traffic and perhaps why the device is having trouble communicating to the outside world? |
| 03:46.48 | sideup66 | mumpitzel: *facepalm* how did I overlook that |
| 03:46.49 | kittonian | i've tried iftop but either i'm using the wrong filters or it's just not showing me anything relevant |
| 03:46.56 | sideup66 | *facepalm |
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| 03:48.18 | anonnumberanon | I should be ok if I use this command to backup my root into the current directory?? |
| 03:48.19 | JyZyXEL | kittonian: maybe iptraf? |
| 03:48.23 | anonnumberanon | tar cvpzf rootwithgnomeshell.tgz --checkpoint / |
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| 03:49.00 | sideup66 | sorry to ask a stupid question there, Im really not sure how I overlooked that |
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| 03:50.04 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: is the / mounted read-only? |
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| 03:51.08 | anonnumberanon | it is mounted, it is the one I am in right now mumpitze1, I am not sure if it's read-only |
| 03:51.35 | anonnumberanon | erase that let me rephrase: |
| 03:51.59 | anonnumberanon | it is mounted and it is the root that I am currently using right now |
| 03:52.02 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: if it's not read only or you in single-user mode then there will be errors and data corruption |
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| 03:53.16 | kittonian | JyZyXEL: i'm looking at iptraf and it seems to be very similar to iftop |
| 03:53.26 | kittonian | am i missing something? |
| 03:53.53 | anonnumberanon | mumpitze1 your statement was complicated and full of variables I don't know how to check :( |
| 03:54.01 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: how does it have problems communicating? what exactly do you want to solve? |
| 03:54.45 | anonnumberanon | I'm running the tar right now and realizing I shouldn't have done --checkpoint |
| 03:55.02 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: if your root is normally mounted, programs will write to it in the hour or so it is archiving all the files. so the archive will be inconsistent aka corrupted. so you best boot in singlu user more (recovery or so in your grub menu) and do the archive there |
| 03:55.05 | sideup66 | weird |
| 03:55.17 | sideup66 | a debug run is returning that the update-url is invalid? |
| 03:55.21 | sideup66 | (?) |
| 03:55.25 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: or even better start from a livecd and do it there |
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| 03:56.18 | anonnumberanon | mumpitze1 ok I think I understand now, the root will change during the time I am making the archive so there will be problems? |
| 03:56.27 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 03:56.35 | cast | LVM, snapshot |
| 03:56.41 | cast | [not perfect but better] |
| 03:57.07 | anonnumberanon | By the way this is a recovery root as I am about to change my shell to Xfce. Does it matter? |
| 03:57.34 | mumpitze1 | no it doesn't. you can also have xfce and gnome3 installed at the same time. will work fine |
| 03:58.08 | mumpitze1 | why do you want to make this big tar archive in the first place? actual real backup (which is not a good way to do it) or why? |
| 03:58.32 | phix | I like to use dar |
| 03:58.38 | phix | with LVM snapshot |
| 03:59.17 | anonnumberanon | mumpitse1, because I don't want to make irreparable mistakes during the removal of Gnome3 and the adding of Xfce. |
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| 03:59.19 | phix | some services you need to stop first though to do it properly or use their associated backup util for use when the program is running (such as samba4) |
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| 04:01.11 | anonnumberanon | phix I am making a recovery partition |
| 04:01.18 | phix | nice |
| 04:01.20 | anonnumberanon | a full copy this |
| 04:01.23 | anonnumberanon | thus |
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| 04:02.44 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: then use clonezilla |
| 04:03.07 | phix | clonezilla <3 |
| 04:03.22 | Rusty1 | partclone |
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| 04:04.59 | anonnumberanon | how long to tar 20 Gb on a SSD |
| 04:05.01 | anonnumberanon | ? |
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| 04:09.02 | phix | anonnumberanon: to the same SSD? |
| 04:09.07 | phix | from an SSD as well? |
| 04:09.21 | kittonian | mumpitze1: it's an at&t microcell that I cannot get to activate. i'm trying to trace all communication from the device to find out what is going on, whether it's on my end or at&t's end |
| 04:10.08 | kittonian | mumpitze1: at&t claims that they aren't seeing it even try to connect, but i have seen it trying to communicate but not responding to requests. just trying to nail down the issue |
| 04:10.11 | anonnumberanon | phix, yes doing the root partition into my user's, both partitions being on the same SSD. |
| 04:10.51 | phix | anonnumberanon: so hdparm -tT /dev/sda (assuming that is your SSD) and divide it by two |
| 04:11.22 | phix | for the transfer rate, then divide that with the data amount or something |
| 04:12.20 | mumpitze1 | phix: that doesn't work. SSDs are usually a lot slower in writing than reading, usually half |
| 04:12.34 | mumpitze1 | sometimes more |
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| 04:13.33 | phix | mumpitze1: hdparm should will give you the write speed |
| 04:13.40 | phix | s/will// |
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| 04:15.31 | anonnumberanon | but taring =/= writing, right? |
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| 04:17.56 | mumpitze1 | phix: only if you write desctruvtively to the SSD. he really doesn't want to overwrite his root partition... |
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| 04:18.16 | mumpitze1 | phix: simple -tT does not give write speed at all |
| 04:18.35 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: no. you read and write obviously. you create a big file somewhere. that's a lot of writing |
| 04:19.10 | anonnumberanon | I am getting 250MB/sec which means the save should have taken 80 seconds |
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| 04:21.18 | mumpitze1 | if you have a modern sata3 drive running on your sata2 controller then you might get 250MB/s both reading and writing |
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| 04:24.58 | sideup66 | hmm according to the buglist it seems the program had an update as thefolks at freedns decided to change the way they did things slightly |
| 04:25.18 | sideup66 | though the debian maintained version isnt that old, so how can it possibly have a problem with freedns(afraid.org)? |
| 04:28.00 | sideup66 | its strange, it finds the host ok then says that my domain is invalid (?) |
| 04:28.01 | sideup66 | wat |
| 04:28.27 | sideup66 | i mean, that my update url is wrong |
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| 04:31.41 | phix | mumpitze1: time cp /some/large/file /some/other/directory |
| 04:31.44 | phix | perhaps |
| 04:31.53 | phix | or is that only CPU time that returns *shrugs* |
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| 04:40.19 | sideup66 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/1092966mumpitzel: if your following me still, I think I found the reason for my issues, we debian guys seem to be in the same pickle the ubuntu guys are in: |
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| 04:52.05 | adh0c | Hi, I have a server that seems to be under attack by an IP address that is flooding my error log with invalid URI requests containing pages of slashes. |
| 04:52.29 | adh0c | I've added a route reject rule for the IP address, but it has appeared to do nothing despite restarting the webserver. |
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| 04:57.18 | adh0c | I've also tried dropping the IP address with iptables, which has made no difference either. |
| 04:57.52 | cast | so you're dropping all packets from $ip, and your httpd error log is still being flooded with $ip junk? |
| 04:59.33 | fyuckwack | where do I find two to three year old porn magazines in pdf format, online? |
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| 05:00.41 | sideup66 | fyuckwack: interesting request.....oO |
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| 05:12.04 | cast | suppose he could file a RFP |
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| 05:12.33 | scx | hello |
| 05:12.49 | sideup66 | hi room |
| 05:13.04 | sideup66 | did anyone come or go whom knows how to setup ddns for afraid.org? |
| 05:13.22 | sideup66 | I need somthing simple thatll do it, somehow ddclient doesnt contain the ability |
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| 05:15.37 | scx | i need help with ocrfeeder: can someone put on pastebin results of: |
| 05:15.37 | scx | cat /usr/share/applications/ocrfeeder.desktop; |
| 05:15.38 | scx | apt-file search "/usr/share/pixmaps/*ocrfeeder*"; |
| 05:15.38 | scx | apt-file search "/usr/share/icons/*ocrfeeder*" |
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| 05:15.58 | scx | it wasnt flood |
| 05:16.01 | scx | only 4 lines |
| 05:16.40 | sideup66 | scx is arguing with the bot |
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| 05:17.16 | scx | so, can someone show me results of this?: cat /usr/share/applications/ocrfeeder.desktop; apt-file search "/usr/share/pixmaps/*ocrfeeder*"; apt-file search "/usr/share/icons/*ocrfeeder*" |
| 05:17.36 | scx | sideup66: no, with admins which setup bot here |
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| 05:24.37 | scx | So, nobody use Debian here, hmm? What a pity. |
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| 05:26.03 | cast | use packages.debian.org, you'll be able to search by file |
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| 06:25.15 | ectospasm | scx has no patience |
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| 06:30.58 | Skaag | how do I add a new usb 'modem' (cdc acm)'s vendor and product, so that it will be automatically detected? |
| 06:31.15 | Skaag | (when plugged in via USB) |
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| 06:31.30 | ectospasm | sounds like you'll have to concoct udev magic for that. |
| 06:31.42 | ectospasm | ...I dunno exactly what that would entail |
| 06:32.05 | ectospasm | but essentially you need to tell udev to do the needful when you plug in the device |
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| 06:32.20 | ectospasm | Skaag: ^ |
| 06:32.21 | Skaag | right, udev, I forgot about that |
| 06:33.03 | ectospasm | Skaag: you may want to google for "udev cdc acm" (or whatever) |
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| 06:33.22 | Skaag | doing that |
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| 06:38.28 | Skaag | ok but wait a sec. when my device is plugged in, no /dev/ttyACM0 is created... you sure this is udev's job? |
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| 06:39.00 | Skaag | because I look at /etc/udev/ and it's very sparse, all I see in there is wlan0 and wlan1 related (for the wifi device) |
| 06:39.15 | Skaag | I seem to remember something about /etc/modules.alias |
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| 06:39.19 | jargon | Skaag: u sure it's not supposed to be /dev/ttyUSB0? |
| 06:39.22 | ectospasm | Skaag: udev will create the device nodes as necessary |
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| 06:39.41 | ectospasm | ...or at least, it can |
| 06:39.46 | Skaag | jargon: well I would think that since it's a cdc_acm device that it would be /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 06:40.40 | Skaag | this is my vendor/product: idVendor=2475, idProduct=0105 |
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| 06:43.14 | phix | Skaag: HSPDA device? |
| 06:43.20 | CruX| | hello, where are stored dns servers obtained via dhcp ? |
| 06:43.26 | CruX| | in /etc/resolv.conv there is only nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:43.36 | Skaag | phix: it's a cash acceptor... |
| 06:43.37 | phix | CruX|: yeah, there is a daemon that handles that |
| 06:43.37 | CruX| | so dnsmasq is serving all requests |
| 06:43.47 | CruX| | phix: which one ? |
| 06:43.57 | phix | Skaag: I am a cash acceptor |
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| 06:44.01 | Skaag | :) |
| 06:44.06 | phix | CruX|: the libresolve daemon |
| 06:44.16 | phix | network manager handles it |
| 06:44.33 | phix | I hate network manager, then again I have never bothered to learn how to use it |
| 06:44.39 | phix | I am guessing you have a gnome gui CruX| |
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| 06:46.00 | CruX| | phix: I'm using kde network manager, and we have problem with dns server here.. |
| 06:46.05 | ectospasm | I don't recall having major issues with network-manager, but it attracts a lot of ire for some reason |
| 06:46.08 | CruX| | phix: thx |
| 06:46.08 | phix | ah |
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| 06:46.20 | ectospasm | I have heard nothing but bad things about the KDE network manager |
| 06:46.21 | OptimizedCoder | guys, I did a stupid thing |
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| 06:46.55 | OptimizedCoder | I symlinked 'ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles /etc/local' instead of /etc/localtimezone |
| 06:46.58 | phix | ectospasm: because I set stuff in /etc/network/interface or manually use ifconfig and network manager shits all over it and does its own thing and stuff doesnt work |
| 06:47.08 | OptimizedCoder | can I safely do rm /etc/local? |
| 06:47.24 | phix | OptimizedCoder: if you want to |
| 06:47.26 | ectospasm | OptimizedCoder: /etc/local does not exist on my system |
| 06:47.34 | OptimizedCoder | ectospasm, phew thanks |
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| 06:47.36 | CruX| | damn network manager, avahi, artsd, dbus are the examples how to not do things |
| 06:47.48 | phix | CruX|: they infuriate me |
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| 06:47.58 | ectospasm | OptimizedCoder: if /etc/local had existed, I don't think ln would have let you overwrite it |
| 06:48.25 | Skaag | OptimizedCoder: you probably have a Los_Angeles link under /etc/local/ |
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| 07:03.17 | phix | KDank: wow |
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| 07:06.03 | phix | werd |
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| 07:29.56 | osfd | Hi there. For some reason, I don't understand, when I click a link in icedove, midori opens whereas I want iceweasel to start. |
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| 07:30.14 | osfd | sensible-browser is set to iceweasel |
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| 07:32.24 | JimmyAx | Check x-www-browser |
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| 07:34.06 | osfd | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser -> iceweasel |
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| 07:35.13 | martint | also check xdg-open query text/html |
| 07:35.22 | babilen | osfd: Which program is used when you use xdg-open ? |
| 07:35.24 | babilen | heh |
| 07:35.32 | martint | er, xdg-mime query default text/html |
| 07:35.59 | martint | i garbled that until i tried it |
| 07:36.09 | babilen | It might also be a setting specific to the desktop environment. Setting default applications really is, well, a bit complicated. |
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| 07:38.19 | osfd | babilen: iceweasel |
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| 07:39.46 | BillyZane | hi |
| 07:40.32 | BillyZane | I'm new to linux and I'm using Ubuntu. I was wondering if switching to Debian is a difficult transition |
| 07:42.42 | JimmyAx | Usually not. They got 99% the same software. |
| 07:42.53 | JimmyAx | I just ripped out Ubuntu and replaced it with Debian |
| 07:43.03 | BillyZane | oh |
| 07:43.13 | martint | also, i think the mozilla-based stuff (firefox, thunderbird, etc) store their default application stuff inside a .rdf file in their profile directory |
| 07:43.27 | JimmyAx | Had to do some reconfigurations as the desktop was messed up, but nothing to bad |
| 07:43.45 | BillyZane | hmm. i don't know how to do reconfigurations :( |
| 07:43.53 | BillyZane | also, i have no idea what a .rdf file is |
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| 07:43.58 | martint | if it's not set there, then by default, a lot of them just use xdg-open |
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| 07:44.09 | martint | BillyZane, oh, i was just talking to osfd |
| 07:44.15 | BillyZane | oh, haha |
| 07:44.17 | BillyZane | cool |
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| 07:44.34 | dTal | I wonder what would happen if you just changed your sources.lst to point to debian instead of ubuntu |
| 07:44.42 | JimmyAx | With "reconfigurations" I mean setting back the default theme, your settings, etc |
| 07:44.49 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to debootstrap a tiny tiny Debian with nearly nothing except openvpn and openssh-server? |
| 07:45.07 | JimmyAx | dTal: That would be a bad idea. They're not binary compatible |
| 07:45.13 | vlt | (~128 MB?) |
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| 07:45.21 | ectospasm | dTal: probably not good things, they're not that interchangeable. |
| 07:45.26 | starbuck | hello, what is a good way to restrict ssh users to see only their home dir? |
| 07:46.01 | BillyZane | JimmyAx, oh I see. I think apt-get is a part of Debian, so I presume that all the applications I typically use in Ubuntu would be as easy to get as with Debian. Would I have to add any special binary thingys? |
| 07:46.04 | phix | starbuck: filesystem permissions |
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| 07:46.09 | ectospasm | starbuck: see man sshd_config |
| 07:46.13 | dTal | Obviously you'd have glibc issues, but if you "upgraded" every package there'd be nothing left right? |
| 07:46.23 | ectospasm | starbuck: there's a way to do it, I just can't remember off the top of my head. |
| 07:46.37 | ectospasm | I can't remember if it sets up a chroot, or what |
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| 07:47.18 | JimmyAx | BillyZane: Any special binary things you might need to install are some non-free firmware drivers for your hardware (usually wireless and/or graphics card, if at all) |
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| 07:47.31 | JimmyAx | They're easy to install afterwards though |
| 07:47.47 | JimmyAx | (Or you can use the unofficial installer with those included) |
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| 07:48.16 | BillyZane | JimmyAx, how did you rip out Ubuntu and replace it with Debian? |
| 07:48.21 | martint | BillyZane, but it's pretty easy to go between ubuntu and debian. the biggest differences are the installers are different, you might have to install a few firmware/drivers afterwards, you are using a different desktop (gnome, kde, whatever) instead of unity, and some programs are named differently (firefox -> iceweasel, thunderbird -> icedove) |
| 07:48.22 | moof2 | if your screen works for text and the installer can put itself on the net, you're pretty much good to go |
| 07:48.51 | JimmyAx | BillyZane: Backed up my /home, made a clean installation of Debian and restored my /home |
| 07:49.17 | BillyZane | martint: that sounds fair, i don't particularly like unity, but i've grown to appreciate it using it on another PC |
| 07:49.20 | starbuck | phix: i don't think this is a good way to do it, i don't want to mess around with permissions |
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| 07:49.38 | BillyZane | JimmyAx, oh. i have a lot of applications in /usr/local |
| 07:49.43 | starbuck | i mean file permission in the root dir |
| 07:49.44 | phix | starbuck: run it in a chroot |
| 07:49.45 | BillyZane | would i have to reinstall them? |
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| 07:49.52 | phix | starbuck: or use a BSD type jail |
| 07:49.54 | BillyZane | well, i suppose i would. but, could i back them up? |
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| 07:50.07 | phix | BillyZane: that is your actual name? |
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| 07:50.14 | moof2 | JimmyAx/BillyZane, perfectly valid way to go. you can also make a partition for /home and copy to it |
| 07:50.28 | martint | (i've gotten caught on the firmware part a few times, my screen doesn't work out of text mode if i don't have amd firmware installed, so when x autostarts i just get static) |
| 07:50.31 | BillyZane | phix, yeah. i'm a famous B movie actor |
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| 07:50.42 | phix | BillyZane: great! |
| 07:50.56 | BillyZane | i was also wondering |
| 07:50.58 | phix | BillyZane: at least you are not a TV star, they are rated lower |
| 07:51.07 | BillyZane | phix, they're TV movie actors |
| 07:51.09 | phix | according to Futurama |
| 07:51.11 | JimmyAx | BillyZane: You will need to reinstall those. If you compiled them from source you will need to recompile them. It's fine to back them up, but they might not work 100% when you try to run them after the reinstallation. |
| 07:51.12 | BillyZane | heh |
| 07:51.14 | phix | BillyZane: ouch |
| 07:51.23 | moof2 | tv... movies... either way they make money |
| 07:51.24 | phix | I like heads in jars |
| 07:51.28 | phix | is that weird? |
| 07:51.42 | phix | well, of B actors that is :) |
| 07:51.44 | BillyZane | JimmyAx, I guess it's best to reinstall them. It's just I did a lot of them for the first time, so it took me awhile to figure out how to do it |
| 07:51.48 | phix | they look great in Futurama |
| 07:51.52 | BillyZane | but I guess it would be easier the second time |
| 07:52.09 | JimmyAx | It usually is :) |
| 07:52.28 | moof2 | what about your /home? much there? |
| 07:52.37 | BillyZane | not awhole lot |
| 07:52.47 | BillyZane | just mainly source code, some files in /Downloads |
| 07:53.02 | moof2 | source code you wrote? |
| 07:53.15 | BillyZane | yeah, nothing special |
| 07:53.32 | BillyZane | just stuff i write to learn how to program |
| 07:53.42 | moof2 | well ok... you -could- put that on github |
| 07:53.50 | martint | if you're the only one using those apps in /usr/local you can always install them inside your home dir too |
| 07:54.13 | BillyZane | actually, that's something i've been meaning to learn how to do. i need a way of having a revision system |
| 07:54.24 | BillyZane | i've heard of something called merculated or something like that |
| 07:54.28 | moof2 | howbout git? |
| 07:54.30 | JimmyAx | Use git |
| 07:54.32 | JimmyAx | It's awesome |
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| 07:54.42 | BillyZane | i can use git |
| 07:54.46 | BillyZane | i don't really know how it works |
| 07:54.48 | bjoernb | can somebody give me a complete list of packages for a functioning gnome |
| 07:55.16 | BillyZane | i thought people use git to upload source files. |
| 07:55.29 | moof2 | BillyZane, are you familiar with data structures and algorithms? |
| 07:55.35 | JimmyAx | http://git-scm.com/book/en/ |
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| 07:55.50 | JimmyAx | bjoernb: task-gnome-desktop? |
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| 07:56.07 | BillyZane | moof2, not really. i plan to take data structures next semester though. however, i'd probably be better of learning something like SQL |
| 07:56.23 | BillyZane | moof2, i'm somewhat familiar with algorithms, but in the mathematical sense |
| 07:56.28 | moof2 | install postgres :) |
| 07:56.35 | JimmyAx | data structures and SQL are two entirely different things :) |
| 07:56.42 | BillyZane | true |
| 07:56.49 | JimmyAx | You'll need both of them in everyday programming |
| 07:57.05 | CissWit | i dont really understand how you go from "switching from debian to ubuntu" to "use git!" |
| 07:57.07 | JimmyAx | (Well probably not so much SQL, but more data structures) |
| 07:57.13 | BillyZane | lol CissWit |
| 07:57.33 | BillyZane | well, github looks pretty awesome |
| 07:57.43 | moof2 | CissWit, you had to be there... |
| 07:57.47 | bjoernb | JimmyAx: how to install that task? |
| 07:57.51 | BillyZane | i just don't get how it works though. would i be uploading files to github automatically? |
| 07:58.02 | JimmyAx | bjoernb: sudo aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
| 07:58.10 | moof2 | BillyZane, you could get a free github acct |
| 07:58.12 | CissWit | if you used a different partition for your /home partition, then, you can just reinstall debian on top of your ubuntu install and you shouldn't loose much data (as long as you don't save personal data elsewhere, of course) |
| 07:58.20 | BillyZane | moof2, ok, i'll do that |
| 07:58.23 | JimmyAx | bjoernb: Or in root terminal: aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
| 07:59.12 | BillyZane | ok, it seems i need to set up git |
| 07:59.17 | CissWit | if you didn't, you just need to backup, id use an external disc drive instead of github, and think about having a different partition for your home this time, it makes reinstall a much less pain |
| 07:59.41 | moof2 | BillyZane, after getting a little familiar with git, you can google to find this 31 pg pdf called "git from the bottom up" |
| 07:59.52 | moof2 | it seems you have the background |
| 07:59.58 | martint | BillyZane, git is just something you used to keep track of changes to your files. you would not be automatically uploading to github. there are also other sites similar to github that are not github (i.e. bitbucket) |
| 08:00.06 | BillyZane | moof2, ok, thanks, i'll google it |
| 08:00.11 | osfd | where do you think I should investigate about my browser issue ? |
| 08:00.39 | CissWit | osfd: on your browser channel ? |
| 08:00.46 | CissWit | it al ldepends on your issue |
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| 08:01.03 | osfd | CissWit: it's a debian related thing, I think |
| 08:01.09 | bjoernb | JimmyAx: that did not help. that did only install libreoffice-evolution, task-gnome-desktop and synaptic. the issue is i have no icons. |
| 08:01.13 | moof2 | CissWit, so BZ said he had some source he wrote in his home dir, so I thought git might be a good way to keep it |
| 08:01.26 | CissWit | then you should describe it, you are on the good channel for debian related problems, i guess. |
| 08:01.47 | CissWit | moof2: git is a good way to keep track of change, it's a very bad way to backup |
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| 08:02.28 | martint | osfd, what are you trying to click on in icedove? is it a link like "http://www.example.com"? the two places to check are mimeTypes.rdf in your icedove profile dir, and also xdg-open "http://www.example.com" |
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| 08:02.59 | osfd | martint: xdg-open opens iceweasel |
| 08:03.00 | martint | there are a whole bunch of different mime-types that can be set to open in different applications and you want them all set to the browser you want to use |
| 08:03.31 | BillyZane | well |
| 08:04.04 | martint | on my machine i had a weird situation where if i xdg-open "http://something.com" it opens in chromium but xdg-open "abc.html" opened in iceweasel until i reset both of them |
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| 08:04.26 | BillyZane | i was wondering, what advantages would i have using Debian instead of Ubuntu if I already use Ubuntu? that is to say, what would I gain or lose in this process? |
| 08:04.29 | osfd | martint: how do I reset ? |
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| 08:04.52 | error3_ | BillyZane: gain definitely |
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| 08:05.06 | martint | you use xdg-mime default iceweasel.desktop type1 type2 ... |
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| 08:05.35 | martint | because there are a bunch of different but similar mime-types that's why i asked what kind of link you were trying to click |
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| 08:06.33 | osfd | martint: would you mind being a little bit more verbose, please |
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| 08:07.19 | BillyZane | error3_, as of now, I want to make the switch out or principal, which is, Ubuntu feels to me like linux with training wheels, as well as, not being as customizable. but aside from that, I can't imagine a concrete example of how I might gain something of importance |
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| 08:10.11 | osfd | martint: this xdg-mime default iceweasel.desktop html will tell xdg that iceweasel is the default for html links ? |
| 08:10.21 | martint | osfd, for example "xdg-mime default iceweasel.desktop x-scheme-handler/http x-scheme-handler/https text/html" would modify a file "~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list" so that your user's mime associations are changed |
| 08:10.39 | martint | such that iceweasel handles http, https, and .html |
| 08:10.41 | error3_ | BillyZane: you can do the same things with both |
| 08:10.51 | error3_ | you have more direct support with Debian |
| 08:11.14 | error3_ | and Debian doesn't compromise on licenses |
| 08:11.29 | error3_ | and tends to use more standard, less home grown solution (e.g. unity) |
| 08:11.45 | error3_ | and doesn't compromise with quality |
| 08:11.53 | CissWit | BillyZane: you probably won't. It's a matter of taste of how the distribution is managed. I like the debian use of "stable" "backports" "testing" "unstable" and "experimental" and the life cycle of a packet a lot. I dislike how ubuntu is isolating from other distribution with programs like mir, unity or upstart (which are all very good programs, or wlil be, i guess), thats why I use debian over ubuntu. But |
| 08:11.55 | CissWit | again : thats a matter of taste. |
| 08:12.44 | BillyZane | hmm |
| 08:13.21 | BillyZane | so desu |
| 08:13.49 | martint | BillyZane, i don't think you will gain or lose much going between debian and ubuntu. i use both and they might as well be the same to an end user as long as you use the same desktop |
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| 08:14.10 | osfd | martint: last question, what are these xdg-* are ? |
| 08:14.21 | BillyZane | well |
| 08:14.29 | error3_ | osfd, freedesktop standardization |
| 08:14.33 | BillyZane | i guess when you put it that way, i'd be better off staying with ubuntu |
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| 08:14.47 | BillyZane | but, i think if i ever have to do a reinstall, i'll try debian |
| 08:14.52 | error3_ | BillyZane: depending also on the release cycle you prefer |
| 08:14.59 | martint | osfd, the xdg stuff are a way for different desktops to work together (gnome and kde, etc) |
| 08:15.29 | BillyZane | error3_, i think i would prefer stability |
| 08:15.32 | osfd | martint: ok... some kinda standardization |
| 08:15.37 | BillyZane | unless i were to get a very good update on something important |
| 08:15.54 | JimmyAx | I switched to Debian because of two reasons: They have a strong focus on free software, and Ubuntu started to get more and more commercial |
| 08:16.09 | jargon | JimmyAx: when did u make the switch? |
| 08:16.10 | JimmyAx | As a bonus I use stable that just works |
| 08:16.11 | error3_ | the focus on free software is the main reason for me |
| 08:16.12 | osfd | for love sake that works !!! |
| 08:16.19 | martint | osfd, i.e. instead of gnome an kde each keeping their own set of custom application preferences, they both call xdg-open and use the custom settings there (if they exist) |
| 08:16.19 | BillyZane | i don't necessarily feel the need to keep getting updates, especially since Debian tends to be so solid |
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| 08:16.35 | JimmyAx | jargon: A year ago now, though I was looking around at various distros before that. |
| 08:16.38 | BillyZane | JimmyAx, i agree with that |
| 08:16.46 | error3_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.24 | JimmyAx | Wheezy + MATE is my killer combination |
| 08:17.37 | BillyZane | error3_, i suppose i could try it with a virtualbox |
| 08:17.40 | osfd | martint: how do I check my exo-web-browser.desktop ? |
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| 08:17.51 | tuxcraft1r | does somebody have a working remote-tempdir rdiff-backup example |
| 08:17.54 | jargon | i prefer crunchbang, myself. although i will be delving into gentoo the coming weekend or week |
| 08:17.56 | tuxcraft1r | i cant get it to work |
| 08:18.24 | error3_ | JimmyAx: I personnally prefer gnome-shell |
| 08:18.30 | tuxcraft1r | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.34 | martint | osfd, i don't understand what you mean |
| 08:19.20 | phix | but it's stir Friday |
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| 08:20.44 | ian` | Argh, just intalled Wheezy, and reallyb not liking Gnome 3. Q1: How do I get it to automatically login to Gnome Classic? |
| 08:20.46 | osfd | martint: http://paste.debian.net/13086/ |
| 08:21.07 | JimmyAx | error3_: I tried that for a month too. They're stripped down the customizability options too much for my taste. Combined with the default theme that wastes a lot of space (huge buttons, whitespace, etc) it wasn't my cup of tea. |
| 08:21.23 | osfd | martint: line 20/21, what is this variable and how do I check what is it linked to ? |
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| 08:24.16 | martint | osfd, that just means that exo-web-browser.desktop is set to be able to open http and https links (not necessarily by default). as for what exo-web-browser.desktop points to, you'll have to find the file |
| 08:24.50 | osfd | martint: ok :) thank you |
| 08:24.51 | martint | it is probably in /usr/share/applications, or maybe it's in ~/.local/share/applications |
| 08:25.10 | martint | osfd, when you open it up, there'll be a line Exec in it which tells you what it executes |
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| 08:26.03 | osfd | martint: you're right :) !!! |
| 08:26.57 | R0SSI | I'm going to install workman layout, but I don' know how! may you help me? |
| 08:26.57 | R0SSI | Workman-layout-link: http://www.workmanlayout.com/blog/?page_id=964 |
| 08:26.58 | R0SSI | Github link: https://github.com/deekayen/workman/tree/master/linux_console |
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| 08:31.10 | moof2 | R0SSI, is it packaged? |
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| 08:36.58 | sbl | Hi, I trying to make own script in bash to manage MySQL Server users. |
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| 08:37.32 | sbl | when i wrote in script mysql -u root -p and under next commands like GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES etc, scripts returns errors |
| 08:37.36 | sbl | anybody help |
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| 08:40.54 | pav5088 | If I want to do a scripted installation of a machine I know I can use debconf or FAI... if I want to modify the configuration of existing machines automagically is there a tool? |
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| 08:43.04 | ectospasm | pav5088: I hear puppet or chef can do that |
| 08:43.12 | ectospasm | ...maybe even saltstack |
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| 08:44.19 | cast | cfengine, though personally i'd only look at puppet and salt, possibly chef |
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| 08:44.39 | pav5088 | cast, why's that? |
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| 08:45.53 | lotia | pav5088: I'd also throw ansible into the tools to research list. |
| 08:46.10 | lotia | exceedingly simple compared to the others |
| 08:47.11 | pav5088 | lotia, thanks |
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| 09:12.35 | KOPRajs | hi, trying to configure exim smtp to use spamassassin and I'm not sure where to edit the acl rules... should I edit exim4.conf.template or conf.d/acl/40-exim4_conf_check_data? |
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| 09:13.05 | impaktor | In Wheezy, running Gnome Classic, how can I change the color of the menu bar? |
| 09:13.50 | Stygia | impaktor, I don't remember exactly, been a while, but isn't there something like menu settings under the settings top menu? |
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| 09:14.55 | impaktor | Stygia: No, Gnome 3 drives me crazy which too few/scattered settings menus. |
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| 09:15.14 | impaktor | I've looked in all settings menus I could find, but nothing. |
| 09:15.17 | Stygia | impaktor, Ah, GNOME3 with the "classic" setting... right. Sorry, then I"m of no help. I gave up and went to XFCE after GNOME3. |
| 09:15.25 | Stygia | impaktor, Have you tried the GNOME settings editor? |
| 09:15.34 | Stygia | impaktor, ... they still have one, yea? |
| 09:16.12 | impaktor | No, there are like 5 different programs to do different settings, with no apparent logic in what goes where. |
| 09:16.28 | Stygia | impaktor, Pity... |
| 09:16.55 | impaktor | I had a ton more control in Gnome 2 / Squeeze. |
| 09:17.38 | Stygia | impaktor, http://askubuntu.com/questions/69576/how-to-customize-the-gnome-classic-panel |
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| 09:17.52 | Stygia | impaktor, That _may_ be it, but to be honest I did not read all of that. |
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| 09:19.25 | impaktor | Why does progress always run backwards? chalk board is 10000% better than white board. Vinyl way nicer than CD, Kodak film better than digital photography. Ah, what I wouldn't give to live in the stone age! |
| 09:19.47 | Stygia | impaktor, It doesn't, you're wrong. |
| 09:19.50 | Stygia | impaktor, So yea. :P |
| 09:20.05 | moof2 | impaktor, become Benjamin Button... |
| 09:20.08 | R0SSI | moof2: >is it packaged? => I don't know! I searched and found an entry on launchpad but it is empty: https://launchpad.net/workmanlayout |
| 09:20.08 | R0SSI | you can look at is repo: https://github.com/deekayen/workman |
| 09:20.12 | lotia | hi all. I've built my own kernel package using make-dpkg and I use the --initrd param to create a new initramfs. When booting using the new kernel + initramfs, the lvm vols aren't auto activated. Is lvm activation done within a config file within initramfs or grub bootprarams? |
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| 09:20.55 | Stygia | lotia, I have never had to manually specify that, did you install the make-kpkg package with dpkg? |
| 09:21.10 | R0SSI | Does anybody know how to install workman layout? (http://www.workmanlayout.com/blog/?page_id=964) |
| 09:21.41 | moof2 | R0SSI, I'm just saying if there is a debian package for the thing you want, it will be much easier as you don't have to make decisions about where things go as the packager made those decisions already |
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| 09:22.00 | lotia | Stygia: I did. It shows up in the boot menu and I can boot off it, but need to manually do a vgscan -a y in the initrd rescue shell |
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| 09:22.48 | Stygia | lotia, Sounds pretty unusual. Sorry, I don't have any meaningful advice - Like I said, it always just worked for me on debian. |
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| 09:23.24 | R0SSI | moof2: It seems there is not any deb package :'( |
| 09:23.31 | moof2 | lotia, after booting into your system try rebuilding the initrds |
| 09:23.56 | moof2 | R0SSI, then you'd have to continue as you were originally going |
| 09:24.54 | moof2 | you can build stuff to go into /usr/local or into your home dir so as to not interfere with debian packaging, which will have no qualms about interfering with you if you put stuff in (say) /usr |
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| 09:27.16 | JimmyAx | impaktor: You can try MATE if you want Gnome 2. |
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| 09:30.17 | Stygia | impaktor, I second what JimmyAx said, AFAIK MATE is an attempt to maintain old-style gnome. |
| 09:30.33 | JimmyAx | It's actually a fork of Gnome 2 |
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| 09:31.13 | JimmyAx | I love it |
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| 09:33.02 | error3_ | JimmyAx: you're nostalgic ;) |
| 09:33.03 | impaktor | JimmyAx: Yeah, I've thought about it, but heard that they have some bugs. |
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| 09:33.17 | JimmyAx | error3_: :D |
| 09:33.30 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Hay, can anyone gimme a link on how to re-install Debian? |
| 09:33.37 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I wanna do it with LUKS. |
| 09:33.43 | error3_ | TooTinyofPantsIF: www.debian.org |
| 09:33.45 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I have a modern motherboard. |
| 09:33.49 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, LUKS is supported by the default installer. |
| 09:33.59 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Well. |
| 09:34.03 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Just pick encrypted LVM during disk setup and you're there. |
| 09:34.15 | JimmyAx | impaktor: All software has bugs ;) |
| 09:34.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I set boot priority for cd/DVD first, and it just skips to the one pre-installed. |
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| 09:34.33 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I get to a "shell" screen. |
| 09:34.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | That's new to me. |
| 09:34.37 | Stygia | JimmyAx, Bollocks. Give ma second and I can easily write you a completely bug-free program. |
| 09:34.38 | JimmyAx | impaktor: I'm not having any problems with it. I suggest you give it a spin yourself |
| 09:34.41 | Stygia | JimmyAx, I'm not saying it'll do anything ,but still. |
| 09:34.43 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm used to Ubuntu |
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| 09:34.48 | JimmyAx | Stygia: lol |
| 09:34.57 | impaktor | Hm, #evolution channel will not let me post. Damn them then. |
| 09:34.58 | petan | hello, guide on debian.org has almost no information about configuration files in .deb packages it just say it preserve them |
| 09:35.09 | petan | how do I flag a file in .deb package as configuation file? |
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| 09:35.24 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm about to just unplug the HDD and plug in a new fresh one. |
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| 09:35.34 | petan | I made a .deb package and all my content in /etc get removed when I uninstall it |
| 09:35.40 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I've checked in debian.org quite a bit. |
| 09:35.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | IDK UEFI well enough I guess. |
| 09:36.06 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I set boot order to boot from disk first. |
| 09:36.15 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...but it skips it and boots off the HDD. |
| 09:36.19 | impaktor | JimmyAx: I'm actually installing it for my mom, so, _if_ there's a bug (and she notices it) she will not know what to do. I myself can deal with bugs. |
| 09:36.40 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I suspect that your boot disk is broken. Try using unetbootin to generate one, BUT, download the image, unetbootin doesn't really work with "automatic" generation of images. |
| 09:37.03 | TooTinyofPantsIF | It's a brand new Seagate 2TB. You really think so? |
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| 09:37.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...or the DD I made two days ago you mean? |
| 09:37.18 | JimmyAx | impaktor: My parents and my grandparents are using it and they're not having any problems. I think that explains how good you can get it :) |
| 09:37.29 | TooTinyofPantsIF | lol |
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| 09:37.44 | impaktor | JimmyAx: Also, I heard that programs in Mate can have different names compared to Gnome 3, so you might end up with the same program installed twice. |
| 09:38.02 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Oh not the hardware, the partition most likely. |
| 09:38.15 | JimmyAx | impaktor: You will, if you install them twice :P |
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| 09:38.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Yes, probably correct. |
| 09:38.17 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Use the same disk, just repartition it and install a new image. |
| 09:38.18 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Well. |
| 09:38.23 | TooTinyofPantsIF | It loads great. |
| 09:38.30 | JimmyAx | impaktor: A basic non-desktop install of Debian and then add MATE on top of that. Done |
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| 09:38.37 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...from unebootin? |
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| 09:38.39 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, It loads the debian installer? So what's the problem? |
| 09:38.45 | TooTinyofPantsIF | No/ |
| 09:38.47 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Oh, right. |
| 09:38.55 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Only the OS that isn't encrypted via LUKS |
| 09:38.56 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Well in that case great, go ahead and make a new image. |
| 09:39.12 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...should I go USB or DVD? |
| 09:39.20 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Just a sec. Are you booting from it? Then it shouldn't be affected by the existing OS. |
| 09:39.22 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, USB. |
| 09:39.22 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I don't see how it could have gotten messy in only 3 days. |
| 09:39.25 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Easier. |
| 09:39.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | OK, I'll try that. |
| 09:39.38 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Thanks. |
| 09:39.41 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Gimme a few. |
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| 09:39.57 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Maybe it never worked, or maybe something messed up during installation. I don't know. You want to achieve a bootable USB debian installer, yea? I've always had luck with unetbootin + _downloaded_ image, so that's why I'm suggesting it. |
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| 09:40.21 | TooTinyofPantsIF | The installed bootable drive works great. |
| 09:40.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...I installed it before I knew about LUKS |
| 09:40.34 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...so I'm starting over. |
| 09:40.35 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, So reinstall? |
| 09:40.39 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Trying to encrypt. |
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| 09:40.50 | TooTinyofPantsIF | What to do @ the "shell" screen? |
| 09:40.57 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, And the USB installer should do that. |
| 09:41.05 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, You shouldn't get a shell, you should be able to get a graphic installer. |
| 09:41.06 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...why not the DVD? |
| 09:41.22 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Then you can't recreate it, you're making an installer that will be obsolete and useless soon. |
| 09:41.24 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...in UEFI, I set it to first boot from disk. |
| 09:41.26 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Won't work. |
| 09:41.31 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Thanx for the help BTW |
| 09:41.58 | TooTinyofPantsIF | So... USB stick will probably work? |
| 09:42.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I've just built too many PCs with optical drives I guess, lol. |
| 09:42.30 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I suppose so yea. If you boot and set that disk as the #1 boot disk, and it's bootable, it should. |
| 09:42.45 | TooTinyofPantsIF | That's what I thought. |
| 09:42.54 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I had similar issues with Ubuntu. |
| 09:43.00 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Had to use GRUB2 loader. |
| 09:43.03 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Took forever. |
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| 09:43.07 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Anyway, yeah. |
| 09:43.10 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, GRUB shouldn't even enter the picture until you've installed. |
| 09:43.18 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'll try just from a stick, see what happens. |
| 09:43.22 | Stygia | Stygia, It's a (grand, unified) boot loader. Try the stick. |
| 09:43.37 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Also, please pretext everything you write just for me with Stygia, you are generating alerts for everybody. |
| 09:43.38 | TooTinyofPantsIF | As I said; there is a bootable image installed I want to get rid or. |
| 09:43.40 | TooTinyofPantsIF | *of |
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| 09:43.54 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, So, when you install, choose to use the entire disk, and select 'Encrypted LVM' |
| 09:43.58 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ Stygia; my apologies/ |
| 09:44.06 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Then you will get a fully encrypted system. |
| 09:44.14 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Don't forget the key, nobody can help you then. |
| 09:44.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ Stygia: yeah that's the idea. |
| 09:44.33 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Heh exactly. |
| 09:44.39 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I haven't been able to get there again since the optical drive install. |
| 09:44.56 | Stygia | Stygia, Also, look into "cryptkeeper" and encfs, for encrypted more sensitive files within your decrypted root system. |
| 09:45.09 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I'll try via thumbdrive and let you know what happens. SHould not take long. |
| 09:45.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: good thing I have more than one PC, lol. |
| 09:45.26 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: Thanks again. |
| 09:45.29 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Yea, holy shit, troubleshooting your only main PC sucsk. |
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| 09:45.55 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I guess I'm lucky to have this POS to chat with, haha. |
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| 09:46.22 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, You are, I'd have given quite a bit for another PC yesterday. Damn GRSEC. |
| 09:46.42 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: ALWAYS have a back up! haha! |
| 09:47.02 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I had backups. In short... my GRSEC enabled kernel was the only one that worked with my USB modem, but firefox didn't work. |
| 09:47.17 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, So, I could either have FF (and no internet) or internet and no browser - making it hard to troubleshoot |
| 09:47.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: Been there |
| 09:47.21 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I eventually figured it ouh, but yea. |
| 09:47.29 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: STILL don't know why it happened. |
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| 09:48.22 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I do now, I can help you out with GRSEC if you'd like |
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| 09:49.48 | boudiccas | any sound gurus in the house who can help guide me into getting sound in 'freedoom' please/ |
| 09:50.21 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: First off I'd like to know what GRSEC is, lol |
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| 09:50.39 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm new to Linux. |
| 09:50.51 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I came to PCs late in the game; not even 10 years ago. |
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| 09:50.59 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Ah, then never mind it, it's a RBAC system for the kernel... increases security. |
| 09:51.13 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I know you probably want security, but this takes tons of efforts to get right ,save yourself for the first while. |
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| 09:52.32 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: Yes, start slow. |
| 09:52.46 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm looking for a replacement for TrueCrypt, as this new build is UEFI |
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| 09:53.47 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Alright, LUKS/LVM will do you good here. |
| 09:54.00 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, And then cryptkeeper + encfs when you want to specifically encrypt some files more. |
| 09:54.12 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, and/or cccrypt if you like command line tools. |
| 09:54.13 | boudiccas | TooTinyofPantsIF, cryptkeeper may be it |
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| 09:55.11 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I think LUKS and Enigmail will do just fine... if I can get there. |
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| 09:55.40 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Look into OTR encryption for IRC and IM. |
| 09:55.49 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, I use and love pidgin + pidgin-otr, great stuff. |
| 09:56.11 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Yes, I use Pidgin with OTR running through TOR. |
| 09:56.14 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ Stygia: |
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| 09:56.34 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, The Tor is redundant for that I'd say, unless you want some assurance that nobody knows who you're talking to. |
| 09:56.35 | myamore | very accurate soccer predictions here : http://tiny.cc/p6rbzw ... amazing wins |
| 09:57.00 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Usually, your treat model should allow you to ignore that (and use something like gchat) if they can't read what you're actually saying. |
| 09:57.02 | Stygia | !mods myamore |
| 09:57.12 | Stygia | How was that again... |
| 09:57.14 | ksuhku | too slow :) |
| 09:57.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ Stygia: yes, in my line of work, privacy can mean life or death |
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| 09:57.39 | Stygia | ksuhku, Ah right, awesome. |
| 09:57.49 | Stygia | ksuhku, Doesn't help that I don't even remember the command. |
| 09:58.11 | ksuhku | Stygia, I never remember it either, so thanks for the reminder! |
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| 09:58.38 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Then I suggest you get a VPN, unfortunately TOR does not always promise privacy (It promises some anonymity, there is a difference) |
| 09:58.38 | ksuhku | it's actually ops preceded with a bang |
| 09:58.47 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Also what is your line of work? |
| 09:58.51 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia:: Absolutely. |
| 09:58.59 | moof2 | bang ops? |
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| 09:59.04 | ksuhku | yeah baby |
| 09:59.07 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I can't disclose that. I'm part of the deep web. |
| 09:59.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: sorry. |
| 09:59.19 | ksuhku | he's a spider |
| 09:59.24 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Deep web... so you're either with the silk road or some kiddy porn, or, selling botnets. |
| 09:59.30 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, "Deep web" is a bullshit term BTW. |
| 09:59.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia:: That's a bit harsh. |
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| 09:59.54 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia:: I do currency exchange. |
| 10:00.00 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Well, I can think of 3 things you can do business in in a darknet. #1 drugs #2 kiddy porn #3 exploit kids and botnets. |
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| 10:00.03 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: much through Coins. |
| 10:00.12 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, So bitcoin farming and whitewashing? |
| 10:00.21 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Don't hold back, I don't give two shits if it's illegal. |
| 10:00.22 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: Yes, the former. |
| 10:00.33 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Not like I don't have 100's of illegal files on my own computer. |
| 10:00.39 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I'm somewhat of a broker |
| 10:00.51 | ksuhku | let's talk debian |
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| 10:00.58 | Stygia | ksuhku, pardon. |
| 10:01.06 | babilen | .oO( Maybe you guys want to move over to #debian-offtopic ) |
| 10:01.12 | moof2 | Stygia, you like going to those places when you think? |
| 10:01.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: what is your recommended software for making a bootable USB? |
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| 10:01.30 | Stygia | moof2, Hmm I don't understand, when I think? |
| 10:01.33 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, unetbootin |
| 10:01.53 | JimmyAx | puts on his super secret FBI hat and listens |
| 10:01.53 | babilen | (unless it's for Debian as unetbootin breaks our installers ) |
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| 10:02.04 | ksuhku | JimmyAx, xD |
| 10:02.08 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: you're right. Sorry, I am very tired. |
| 10:02.25 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I had to re-build my power supply, as it's the second one I bought with problems. |
| 10:02.31 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: LOOOOOOOONG night. |
| 10:02.46 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, and truthfully, you kinda attracted that energy |
| 10:02.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | moof2: ? |
| 10:03.08 | TooTinyofPantsIF | My power supply? |
| 10:03.12 | Stygia | babilen, Wait it does? I've installed all my debian systems with unetbootin lately. |
| 10:03.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | You guys are ruthless. |
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| 10:03.35 | Stygia | babilen, But note that I specifically asked him to download an ISO and use, that works, "automatic" does not. |
| 10:03.48 | moof2 | well not meaning to make anyone feel bad or anything |
| 10:03.49 | babilen | Stygia: It's one of the most common problems in here (it causes the installer to not find data on the USB or causes grub installation problems or ...) |
| 10:04.05 | Stygia | babilen, Oh. I didn't know that. That being _with_ using the ISO? |
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| 10:04.19 | Stygia | babilen, I find the automatic process sucks but creating an installer with it is fine. |
| 10:04.41 | babilen | Stygia: There simply is *no* reason to use unetbootin. There are better tools and you can simply copy the iso directly to the USB stick. (as in "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" assuming /dev/sdb is the stick) It really doesn't get much easier than that. |
| 10:05.14 | Stygia | babilen, Well fair enough. I actually though I had to dd the contents onto there, but alright. I will cease recommending it. |
| 10:05.24 | Stygia | babilen, I used it ages ago, it worked, and I guess I've just gone there by habit ever since. |
| 10:05.29 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, well you strongly attracted curiousity when you made the "life or death" comment |
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| 10:05.53 | Stygia | moof2, Yea, I will admit I can hardly contain my curiosity when I see things like that. I'm too nosy. |
| 10:05.55 | TooTinyofPantsIF | moof2: something very bad happened recently I was too close to,. |
| 10:06.21 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...is Victor Escudera a bad person> |
| 10:06.24 | TooTinyofPantsIF | *? |
| 10:06.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | It's like that. |
| 10:06.40 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF (a) we had no clue of that... (b) sorry to hear that |
| 10:06.42 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm just not as public. |
| 10:06.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | moof2: no worries. |
| 10:07.03 | babilen | Stygia: You don't need dd (and if you *really* need dd I would recommend the enhanced dcfldd) for that. cp copies data just fine and even scales the blocksize for you automatically which cuts down on time (with dd you would have to specify a static blocksize in advance (e.g. bs=1M)) |
| 10:07.06 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, You know, for someone who seemingly has something to hide, you sure just easily gave away the fact you're Spanish-speaking easily. |
| 10:07.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...I just don't wanna get booted again because I fall asleep @ the keyboard sometimes and type nonsense. |
| 10:07.29 | Stygia | babilen, Duly noted, next time I will just move the ISO there. That is much easier, and I honestly did not know that was an option. |
| 10:07.45 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: Good guess, but no. My Spanish is horrible. |
| 10:08.04 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: I'm just really good at remembering people's names. |
| 10:08.10 | moof2 | you'll know when that happens when the pattern of the keyboard makes the face look like a waffle :) |
| 10:08.27 | `26 | Hello. I have fairly good knowledge of Debian and have used it for quite a while now. I now want to set up a small network of computers for a university lab. I wish to make it such that the workstations boot from a remote readonly root (using an aufs overlay for the bits that need rw). The problem I am having is the logging in and mounting remote FSes part. I've read a bunch of articles about --- |
| 10:08.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ moof2: yes, that happened. |
| 10:08.31 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, All I'm saying is, if you want to be secure, start shutting up, it's more important than encryption. Rule #1 of OPSEC, whatevere you're doing... shut up. |
| 10:08.34 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I got banned thereafter. |
| 10:08.37 | `26 | --- LDAP and Kerberos and they really seem like overkill. |
| 10:08.42 | babilen | Stygia: Remember that everything is a file and that you can therefore simply copy the data (the installer that has all the data) to the "file" that is the USB block device. dd is typically needed if you want to specify something like "copy n chunks of data (each 512 bytes), starting with an offset of ..." - Another nice thing about it is that you can send it the USR1 signal to get information about the progress. |
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| 10:08.55 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia: You asked. I was only trying to be polite. |
| 10:09.17 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: I'd recommend to simply take a break now and go to sleep unless you want to work on an actual issue :) |
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| 10:09.34 | Stygia | babilen, I would actually have thought that couldn't be done, figured the ISO'd be compressed or something. |
| 10:09.37 | babilen | Stygia: But even then I would recommend to use dcfldd in lieu of dd |
| 10:09.52 | Stygia | TooTinyofPantsIF, Not insulting you. Just saying. If you want operational security this is the rule. If you don't follow it you won't have any. |
| 10:09.54 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, some clients will hold off on hitting enter |
| 10:09.55 | babilen | Stygia: No, there is nothing special about the iso. |
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| 10:10.17 | Stygia | babilen, Well all right, all duly noted. I will keep that in mind, thanks. |
| 10:10.38 | babilen | `26: You really want to look into systems such as puppy |
| 10:10.41 | babilen | *puppet |
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| 10:10.58 | babilen | *sigh* -- /me blames his flatmates |
| 10:11.01 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ et al: thank you guys. I appreciate it. Now, seems to be many unetbootin packs to D/L. I'm on a Windows 7 machine now. |
| 10:11.12 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...which to choose? |
| 10:11.15 | babilen | Stygia: yeah, just thought that I provide the background information to that |
| 10:11.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/unetbootin |
| 10:11.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell TooTinyofPantsIF about usb install |
| 10:11.41 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm on Win 7 |
| 10:11.59 | Stygia | babilen, Yes, I do appreciate that, very helpful and informative. I love learning new stuff. |
| 10:11.59 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, well, is it that you want to install debian? (yea, sometimes I miss things) |
| 10:12.01 | TooTinyofPantsIF | At the moment. |
| 10:12.02 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Have you even read the message the bot sent you? |
| 10:12.12 | `26 | babilen: somehow that also sounds a bit like overkill, but I will definitely look into it. Do you have any specific links I should be looking at? |
| 10:12.30 | TooTinyofPantsIF | babilen: which one? |
| 10:12.52 | moof2 | do you actually want to blow away your windows install? |
| 10:12.58 | TooTinyofPantsIF | bablien: the one that kicked me off because I fell asleep on my keyboard or.... |
| 10:13.11 | TooTinyofPantsIF | moof2: absoulutely |
| 10:13.12 | TooTinyofPantsIF | And |
| 10:13.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I have 2 PCs. :-) |
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| 10:13.49 | moof2 | which do you want to install debian on? make up a coupla names for them, for the conversation |
| 10:14.08 | TooTinyofPantsIF | New1 = Debian; old granny = this one. |
| 10:14.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Ol' granny has Win 7 |
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| 10:14.25 | moof2 | so granny stays as it is? |
| 10:14.37 | babilen | `26: It will pay of in the long run as it automates the configuration of your boxes -- http://docs.puppetlabs.com/learning/index.html is a nice tutorial |
| 10:14.38 | TooTinyofPantsIF | New1 has an unsecure installation of debian that won't let go. |
| 10:14.54 | TooTinyofPantsIF | With a SSD in her, it aint too bad, lol |
| 10:15.29 | JimmyAx | Man I'm happy I followed the conversation and just didn't read that without context |
| 10:15.32 | TooTinyofPantsIF | New1 ALWAYS boots to the disk... where I want to eradicate that little unsafe mofo. |
| 10:15.35 | moof2 | let's just see what the options are... does New1 have a bootable cdrom drive? |
| 10:15.48 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Indeed, yes moof2 |
| 10:15.54 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Seriously: The factoid the bot sent you contains a link to a tool that you can use to write the ISO to your stick. And please take off-topic talk to #debian-offtopic. It is a perfect channel for all socialising and was created for exactly that reason. |
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| 10:15.58 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...but it won't boot from it anymore. |
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| 10:16.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | bablilien; I'm sorry. |
| 10:16.32 | `26 | babilen: what are the security assumptions? assuming all clients are compromised, are any attacks against the server possible? |
| 10:16.44 | moof2 | won't boot? could that be a bios setting preventing that? usually the form of that which could work is in the bios, set boot order to cdrom before disk |
| 10:16.55 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Stygia was helpful and asked some nonsequiturs |
| 10:17.09 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ moof2; I'd assume so. |
| 10:17.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | This is my very first encounter with UEFI |
| 10:17.24 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: And note that my nickname is "babilen" and that you can tab-complete nicknames in your IRC client by typing: bab<TAB> |
| 10:17.25 | TooTinyofPantsIF | It's not even set up right. |
| 10:17.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell TooTinyofPantsIF -about hybrid images |
| 10:17.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell TooTinyofPantsIF -about enter |
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| 10:17.52 | moof2 | hmm. I'm not completely familiar with uefi |
| 10:18.03 | moof2 | babtab: noted! |
| 10:18.04 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Most people are not, moof2 |
| 10:18.10 | babilen | moof2: Few people are, but our installer and grub-efi supports it just fine. |
| 10:18.31 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: So, is there a specific technical issue that we can help you with? |
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| 10:18.38 | babilen | (right now, that is) |
| 10:18.52 | moof2 | does uefi have to do with the partition table type? |
| 10:19.04 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ bablilen: I don't think this was warranted: "(4:17:35 AM) dpkg: babilen wants you to know: The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel." |
| 10:19.18 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Yes there is. |
| 10:19.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | My optical drive seems to have worked one time only. |
| 10:19.34 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I am new to UEFI. |
| 10:20.03 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I can't seem to use the same disk to re-install Debian via LUKS encryption for the first volume. |
| 10:20.11 | tralala | TooTinyofPantsIF, there you go again - sending 3 lines that could fit just fine in one. |
| 10:20.20 | Stygia | babilen, Question, is there a way to tab-complete to something different, if I say type ba<tab> and get "babylon"? |
| 10:20.28 | Stygia | babilen, Or just delete it and redo? |
| 10:20.33 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Please don't repaste factoids into the channel and look at your last three messages. You hit enter after every single sentence, don't make use of subordinated clauses at all. So please, last warning: lets concentrate on a specific issue and please take chat (even technical chat) to #debian-offtopic |
| 10:20.45 | babilen | Stygia: Hit it multiple times. |
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| 10:21.13 | babilen | (it == the tab key) |
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| 10:21.52 | babilen | `26: I am not aware of an attack vector like that, but you should probably ask in #puppet if something like that has been reported in the past. |
| 10:22.01 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @babilen, here it is in a nutshell, in my next IM: |
| 10:23.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I installed Debian with no problems whatsover... before I found out about LUKS encryption, Now I want to re-install as though it were a new HDD, but it would seem no matter what I do in UEFI, I ether end up stuck in BIOSII GUI, or I boot from HDD. |
| 10:24.06 | moof2 | isn't luks involve an encrypted lvm pv? |
| 10:24.14 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: You mean you cannot boot the installer via UEFI? |
| 10:24.44 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...@ least not from the optical drive... again. I did before, for the initial install, but not anymore. |
| 10:24.51 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ babilen |
| 10:25.51 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: You don't need the "@" as this isn't twitter. So you burned an image (which one exactly?) to a blank CD and you are trying to boot from it with UEFI (not legacy mode or whatever it is called in your BIOS), but .. what? (it doesn't boot at all, ...) |
| 10:26.38 | Stygia | babilen, I actually meant to change what I had already written, but still, thanks (I knew about this one feauter) |
| 10:26.41 | Stygia | *feature |
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| 10:29.17 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ et al: Thank you for your help. This group chat is far and away much different than any I have been on before. I'm sorry to have offended some; I hope it's obvious that was not my intent. I'm going to make a bootable thumb drive when I wake up, and see if that helps. |
| 10:29.58 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Too many questions @ once guys. Thank you for the help, but... What should I answer first. |
| 10:30.32 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: You did not offend anyone, but the purpose of this channel is to provide technical support on a high level. One thing we require people who seek help in here to do is to ask precise questions and refrain from "chatting" in here (we have an offtopic channel for socialising) |
| 10:30.41 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, you're learning, and we see and accept that. it does get harsh (sometimes very) from time to time. |
| 10:31.03 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Read http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html to get some background. |
| 10:31.23 | moof2 | those are pretty harsh :P |
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| 10:31.32 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: So, do you want to work on this problem now or tomorrow? |
| 10:31.59 | moof2 | better thing to read is the install guide |
| 10:32.02 | moof2 | !ig |
| 10:32.02 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 10:32.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | bablien; I got kicked out of here for falling asleep on the qwerty pad yesterday; so, I'm gonna try to avoid a similar situation from happening. |
| 10:33.10 | moof2 | there are a lot of ways to install, and there are even more permutations of those ways... the install guide pretty much goes thru all of them |
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| 10:33.38 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ...it's more the initial install that I'm having the worst trouble with. |
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| 10:34.08 | moof2 | once you can boot an install media, that would take care of that? |
| 10:34.31 | TooTinyofPantsIF | IDK why the HDD will over-ride to optical drive even when I disable-it. At any rate, I really need to fall asleep, and not on the keyboard again. |
| 10:34.35 | `26 | TooTinyofPantsIF: wow, you seriously fell asleep on the keyboard? and nobody posted the log to bash.org? wow. |
| 10:34.41 | `26 | (sorry about offtopic) |
| 10:34.50 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ '26: I guess not. |
| 10:34.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I just got banned. |
| 10:35.01 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Well, then create an installation disk (either USB or CD) using a recent installation image for wheezy and boot from that. I'd personally recommend to use a netinstall image with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
| 10:35.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell TooTinyofPantsIF -about firmware image |
| 10:35.21 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I do have a working ISP |
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| 10:36.01 | moof2 | let's hope the installer has drivers to get New1 to connect to it |
| 10:36.30 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: And also read the installation guide that has been pointed out to you by moof2 earlier. It discusses the installation process and the various options in great detail. |
| 10:36.50 | babilen | moof2: New1 ? |
| 10:37.23 | moof2 | historically, there have been times where the installer can't connect to the net due to driver issues... |
| 10:37.32 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Thanks babilen, '26, moof 2 and Stygia! |
| 10:37.47 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'll almost for sure have good news later today. |
| 10:37.48 | moof2 | babilen, machine name, for purpose of conversation |
| 10:37.53 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Take care, all. |
| 10:38.21 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: Alternatively you could use one of the larger installation images (CD1, DVD1, ...) and place firmware (downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ on a USB stick (or on the second partition if you install from USB, you have to unpack that)) |
| 10:39.18 | babilen | TooTinyofPantsIF: The larger installation images contain all the packages that are needed for an installation with a DE of your choice (Gnome 3 with the default CD1 and LXDE,XFCE and KDE with the respective ones) |
| 10:39.45 | moof2 | babilen, the machines we were talking about were granny and New1 |
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| 10:40.08 | babilen | They do, however, not contain firmware which is why you would have to download that separately and unpack the firmware.zip / firmware.tar.gz to a USB stick (or the second partition if you install from a stick) if your hardware requires firmware. |
| 10:40.22 | babilen | moof2: Okay, I understand :) |
| 10:40.27 | `26 | #puppet sent me back here saying I should figure out how to solve my problem manually before attempting to automate it. So how does one mount a remote /home such that only the files belonging to an authenticated user are accessible? More importantly, what programs and systems and tools are involved in such a setup? |
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| 10:44.56 | moof2 | TooTinyofPantsIF, one final comment, it will be helpful and faster if we all are focused on the install... or if you want to do it yourself, focus will also be helpful |
| 10:45.29 | babilen | `26: You have two different things going on here. The first is the question of how to mount the remove filesystem and the other is how to authenticate users and make sure that filesystems permissions are in sync with your expectations. |
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| 10:47.26 | babilen | `26: NFS and NIS is probably the "easiest" solution, but NIS requires you to synchronise your UIDs across boxes. |
| 10:47.41 | moof2 | and this is not directed at only you, as I wasn't that focused either |
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| 10:47.58 | `26 | babilen: there's only one "box"; the server. the rest are diskless clients. |
| 10:49.11 | babilen | `26: You could also look into integrating AFS (or NFS) with LDAP and kerberos, but I have no experience with that. It is what is being used at my current location, but I am not sure if it is the *best* solution. |
| 10:49.30 | `26 | babilen: as for NFS; if root@diskless mounts the nfs share /home, they would be able to read any user's data, wouldn't they? |
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| 10:50.44 | babilen | `26: It depends -- See the "root_squash" mount option |
| 10:50.50 | olga_ | Hello people. So im setting up this SSH server with debian and i have err: "Failed to determine codename for the release." |
| 10:51.07 | olga_ | apparently, this happens when you try to install from external cd drive over usb |
| 10:51.10 | olga_ | which is my case |
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| 10:51.43 | olga_ | Is there a solution to this or is it not possible to install debian from external cd drive |
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| 10:52.28 | babilen | olga_: How did you get the installer on the external drive? |
| 10:52.43 | olga_ | babilen, burned the small cd on it |
| 10:53.05 | babilen | olga_: You burned a CD to your USB disk? |
| 10:53.27 | olga_ | babilen, external CD drive |
| 10:53.43 | babilen | olga_: Please elaborate -- You would, typically, simply copy the Debian image (which one did you use exactly) to the USB drive as detailed in "/msg dpkg usb install" |
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| 10:54.05 | olga_ | babilen, this is not a usb flash drive |
| 10:54.08 | babilen | olga_: Ah, it is an external CD drive -- Sorry, I missed that very important bit of information. Excuse that oversight. :) |
| 10:54.14 | olga_ | np |
| 10:54.21 | babilen | Which image did you use exactly? |
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| 10:54.32 | olga_ | 7.1 small netinst |
| 10:55.27 | olga_ | babilen, ^ |
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| 10:57.36 | babilen | olga_: yeah, I've seen that. I haven't encountered this particular error before as I never had to install from an external CD drive. This typically happens if the "CD" is mounted wrongly, which in your case probably simply means that the USB layer in between introduces something unexpected. |
| 10:58.06 | babilen | olga_: I take it that this happens during the "install base system" step in the expert install? |
| 10:58.14 | KOPRajs | hi, trying to configure exim smtp to use spamassassin and I'm not sure where to edit the acl rules... should I edit exim4.conf.template or conf.d/acl/40-exim4_conf_check_data? |
| 10:58.14 | olga_ | babilen, yes |
| 10:58.25 | `26 | I also thought of something clever using sshfs; the user would then gain *their own* view of the /home directory. |
| 10:58.32 | olga_ | babilen, do you think that retrying the whole install could help, as i would remount the drive? |
| 10:58.35 | `26 | ooh, that is actually clever. |
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| 10:59.08 | `26 | but then the obvious downside is that all users must be able to ssh into the server. which is a bit of s security risk. |
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| 11:00.56 | babilen | olga_: It is worth a try, but you might want to raise this question in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net -- What I would try beforehand though is to "load additional compoments from CD" or something like that. |
| 11:01.54 | babilen | `26: You might want to look into kerberos, ldap and nfs -- I would also recommend to raise this question on debian-user. |
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| 11:02.12 | `26 | babilen: sure, thanks |
| 11:02.14 | olga_ | babilen, but if its net install, why doesnt it pull it from the repos? |
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| 11:04.30 | babilen | olga_: The netinstall image contains everything that is needed for a minimal install. The issue is that, apparently, your CD is mounted in a strange way. (probably due to it being connected via USB) |
| 11:05.14 | babilen | olga_: And I'd seriously recommend to raise this on #debian-boot as they are most likely to know how the installer behaves in this kind of setup. |
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| 11:09.17 | babilen | olga_: Please also check the output you see on tty4 (ALT-F4) which should shed some light on the actual issue you run into -- I am referring you to that channel as I'm off for lunch (very) soon. |
| 11:11.00 | olga_ | babilen, ok thank you for help, enjoy your meal |
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| 11:33.27 | phorce1 | I have a drive I just hooked up via usb <---> IDE adapter. fdisk -l give me the old "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun...label". I used dd to try to copy the whole (4GB) drive as an image and it failed at 3.1GB with an i/o error. When connected back to it's original machine it still boots and runs fine. It's running DOS 6.22 on a Pentium-133. Any ideas how to read and get a good image backup of the drive plus mount it |
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| 11:34.32 | ChrisH | phorce1: dd seems to be a good approach. can you show us the dmesg from the USB attached box on paste.debain.net ? |
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| 11:37.37 | phorce1 | ChrisH: copying ... brb |
| 11:38.38 | phorce1 | http://paste.debian.net/13111 |
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| 11:40.15 | phorce1 | I also just ran chcdsk in DOS and it reports 2,146,467,840 (2GB) total disk space which is what I was expecting for a DOS 6.22 drive. Should be a FAT12 partition |
| 11:40.25 | frostschutz | phorce1, dd with conv=noerror,sync would write bad blocks as zeroes in the image |
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| 11:42.47 | phorce1 | frostschutz: and since it failed with the i/o errors at 3.1GB i could probably use cout=2146468000 to write only just past the first 2GB. I'm still trying to relearn enough DOS and old hardware/driver tricks to try to be sure that 2GB is actually all at the beginning of the drive though. |
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| 11:43.23 | frostschutz | phorce1, dunno about cout, usually it's seek=x skip=x with same x |
| 11:43.28 | phorce1 | I'm still not sure why it shows up as no valid partition table when it should be FAT12 |
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| 11:44.05 | frostschutz | if the image has no useful data, it may be the usb adapter doing something funny |
| 11:44.32 | frostschutz | check the image with testdisk or something |
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| 11:45.18 | mitrax | using ip addr add how do you specify the mask for the new address ? |
| 11:45.58 | frostschutz | mitrax, doesn't 1.2.3.4/5 work? |
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| 11:47.21 | moof2 | the original interface should have the mask, which defines a single subnet |
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| 11:48.06 | mitrax | moof2: yes but both are on completely different subnet, and i'm required a 255.255.255.255 mask on the secondary address |
| 11:48.30 | moof2 | hmm, so there'd be two subnets on the same wire |
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| 11:49.12 | mitrax | moof2: yes, i'm just asking if there's a way to specify the network mask though ip add addr like you would when editing directly /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:49.48 | moof2 | I wonder if you'd do that using the ip alias syntax |
| 11:50.09 | moof2 | eth0 would have one subnet, and eth0:0 would have another |
| 11:50.33 | frostschutz | don't be silly |
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| 11:52.10 | moof2 | my question at that point would be, how do you route each? |
| 11:52.54 | chomwitt | i've downloaded the sources and i rebuild package 'basket' . Now i want to run it for backtrace. Should i purge the already installed binary package? |
| 11:53.08 | moof2 | frostschutz, instead of off-topic adjectives meant to be on-topic, say what you actually mean... aka actually be helpful |
| 11:53.46 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.56 | phorce1 | frostschutz: testdisk and fdisk both say the same thing for the image that they said for the drive directly --- No valid partition table found |
| 11:54.21 | ChrisH | phorce1: that dmesg sounds a lot like a really defective Disk to me. So ddrescue and/or the above discussed tricks might do it. |
| 11:54.43 | moof2 | that's what I would think... I guess he could do that using the alias syntax and do static routing |
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| 11:55.29 | Brigo | phorce1: testdisk can do deep search for partitions ... |
| 11:56.00 | phorce1 | frostschutz: fdisk in DOS 6.22 shows 1 PRI-DOS fat16 partition and 1 EXT-DOS partition both at 2047MB. Must be a bad USB <---> IDE adapter |
| 11:56.19 | moof2 | mitrax, so under moreorless static conditions, each subnet would need a gateway whose IP is in the subnet |
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| 11:56.28 | frostschutz | mitrax, you should get a 255.255.255.255 mask with ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0 |
| 11:56.53 | moof2 | unless it's not intended for the subnet to get out of the subnet |
| 11:56.55 | frostschutz | useful in routed setups |
| 11:56.57 | phorce1 | ChrisH: the disk is fine and passes chkdsk when booted to DOS in the machine I'm trying to back up |
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| 12:02.14 | phorce1 | I guess I may have to shove a PCI network card in the machine and see if I can find an olde enough LiveCD to bot to rescue mode on a Pentuiim-133 with ... WOW! just 640K of RAM installed |
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| 12:02.36 | _debian__ | in a internet packet, not a lan packet, is ppp the protocol in the 2nd layer ... but which protocol is in layer 1 ? :) |
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| 12:02.43 | frostschutz | phorce1, there is no p133 with 640k of RAM... my p90 came with a whopping 8MB! |
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| 12:02.53 | babilen | _debian__: try ##networking |
| 12:03.07 | _debian__ | i am in the network channel |
| 12:03.16 | _debian__ | no one answer to my question |
| 12:03.32 | moof2 | _debian__, are you describing an existing situation? or somethign you want to build? |
| 12:03.45 | phorce1 | frostschutz: chkdsk reports 655,360 total bytes of memory |
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| 12:04.09 | moof2 | if there is a ppp connection, most likely there will be a pppd process running |
| 12:04.13 | frostschutz | phorce1, it could also be an issue with drive geometry, I think that mattered more back in the day than nowadays. make an image with the adapter you have, another with another adapter, see if it matches, then you'll just have to find out what to do with it |
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| 12:04.30 | ChrisH | phorce1: chkdsk does only check the used parts of the disk, whereas dd reads anyhing. |
| 12:04.44 | moof2 | frostschutz, right, maybe a bios setting for that drive |
| 12:04.58 | frostschutz | phorce1, you could also use binwalk on the image or similar tools... you don't need a partition table to find a filesystem |
| 12:09.19 | phorce1 | I'm still in shock ath the 640K -- I'd have to find at most a kernel 1.2.13 live cd to boot on that machine I suspect. I may try putting the drive in another (newer tech) machine directly on the IDE controller and see if it gets recognized. I have only the one USB adapter |
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| 12:11.06 | frostschutz | phorce1, the box will have 8MB at the very least, 16MB more likely, more if it was ever used and upgraded at the time (I spent a fortune to get 96MB into my pentium90 at the time...). 640k is just the low mem that dos sees |
| 12:11.54 | phorce1 | frostschutz: Ahh, that's right. And I recall seeing the emm386 stuff in config.sys |
| 12:11.59 | wdouglass | 96MB on a pentium 90 is a TON! |
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| 12:12.41 | frostschutz | yes, fun times with 3d studio in dos, ever spent a week rendering 400 frames of a 320x240 pixel vid? ;-D |
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| 12:13.58 | moof2 | if that's all the ram on that machine, would there be another machine more suitable for modern debian? |
| 12:14.05 | j24 | did someone known where I can dl the intel-ucode 06-45-01 |
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| 12:14.23 | j24 | even the unstable intel-ucode does not include it |
| 12:14.47 | frostschutz | phorce1, if you have a linux box with ide , that's probably for the best then |
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| 12:15.21 | moof2 | possibly, the older intel-ucode packages will have a link in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/copyright |
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| 12:16.06 | moof2 | as to where that version of intel-ucode was downloaded... you may be able to explore the site for other newer versions of it |
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| 12:17.08 | phorce1 | frostschutz: it has a single row of 256k ram chips (8 + 1 parity) |
| 12:18.56 | phorce1 | frostschutz: this is all for a friend who hates the newer autocad versions. Keeps using his autocad for DOS r12c1 |
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| 12:20.11 | phorce1 | the machine is from 1995. Time to figure out a way to get his DOS running on something a few years newer. |
| 12:21.22 | frostschutz | dos autocad? with no ram?!? jesus... I hate map editors for the modern 3D games (except the portal 2 one I guess), but that doesn't mean I'm still using Duke3D's build editor... ;D |
| 12:21.40 | error3_ | Duke3d editor was fun :) |
| 12:21.52 | datguise | time to get your friend running in protien and carbohydrates, not dos |
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| 12:22.09 | _debian__ | hi |
| 12:22.34 | CommaCrazy | anybody here using cacti and snmp on debian 7.1 |
| 12:22.35 | CommaCrazy | ? |
| 12:22.54 | mumpitze1 | !anyone use cacti |
| 12:22.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses cacti, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:23.09 | error3_ | lol |
| 12:23.25 | phorce1 | frostschutz: it actually runs pretty darn quick. I've had to play with it a bit. this started when his digitizer died and he wanted me to figure out how to switch to "mouse-only" in acad |
| 12:23.27 | _debian__ | in a internet packet, not a lan packet, is ppp the protocol in the 2nd layer ... but which protocol is in layer 1 ? :) i have a modem and a router in my lan ... the modem is not part of my router ... |
| 12:23.33 | mumpitze1 | CommaCrazy: ask a useful question please |
| 12:23.57 | mumpitze1 | phorce1, frostschutz, etc: is there anything debian related in this chatter? |
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| 12:24.51 | mumpitze1 | _debian__: in your LAN there is no ppp. and layer 1 is the physical layer, signals on the wire |
| 12:25.13 | elfranne | i am trying to find the UUID of a newly added disk (hotplugged). It show up in fdisk but not in blkid ? |
| 12:25.24 | phorce1 | mumpitze1: yes, I'm trying to read an old DOS hard drive on my squeeze machine and failing miserably. That has been answered with suggestions though so we'll stop |
| 12:25.49 | frostschutz | elfranne, does it show in dev/disk/by-uuid? |
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| 12:26.32 | elfranne | frostschutz, nop it does not |
| 12:26.38 | ChrisH | elfranne was the disk recocnized? eg: dmesg ; lshw -short -C disk or lsblk If not you need to force the kernel to rescan |
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| 12:27.42 | elfranne | ChrisH, i formated the disk with fdisk so i suppose it is recognized |
| 12:28.07 | frostschutz | elfranne, is there a filesystem on it? |
| 12:28.30 | frostschutz | elfranne, if nothing is on it there won't be uuid either |
| 12:28.32 | ChrisH | elfranne: fdisk does not format anything, it simply create a partition table. mkfs.ext3 does create the filesystem, and afterwards a UUID exosts |
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| 12:29.23 | elfranne | ChrisH, oh that was the error ! |
| 12:29.25 | CommaCrazy | The people in #cacti are of no use at all. Some of my charts are getting updated some are not and on the same device ethernet is being updated but cpu and me usage not. and I'm getting Did not find 'InetZoneIndex' in module INET-ADDRESS-MIB (/usr/share/snmp/mibs/IP-MIB.txt) when using poller.php |
| 12:29.35 | j24 | moof2: I check |
| 12:29.40 | j24 | no info |
| 12:29.51 | CommaCrazy | searching for the answer for 2 days now and banging my head in the wall |
| 12:30.09 | DammitJim | would doing a df "wake up" an external hard drive that is mounted? |
| 12:30.28 | DammitJim | I have configured hdparm.conf to spin down a hard drive after 5 minutes |
| 12:30.28 | CommaCrazy | and the file IP-MIB.txt exists |
| 12:30.37 | DammitJim | and just now I checked it and it is active after doing a df |
| 12:30.39 | jargon | CommaCrazy: welcome to my world. not catci, but helpdesk software |
| 12:31.15 | j24 | I install the intel-microcode |
| 12:31.25 | j24 | moof2: but notthing inside |
| 12:31.32 | CommaCrazy | yup :( |
| 12:31.46 | j24 | for the last Intel SoC |
| 12:32.19 | CommaCrazy | moving the damned thing from physical to virtual with new installation and updates and all with no use |
| 12:32.24 | j24 | I've a i7-4650U |
| 12:33.06 | mumpitze1 | j24: microcode for a cpu loaded by the OS? |
| 12:34.24 | j24 | mumpitze1: yeah |
| 12:34.34 | j24 | I get this |
| 12:34.44 | j24 | "platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-45-01" |
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| 12:34.48 | j24 | on the 3.9 |
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| 12:35.40 | mumpitze1 | j24: and this leads to a problem for you? |
| 12:36.01 | j24 | linux does not boot |
| 12:36.13 | j24 | on 3.2 it's ok but not on 3.9 |
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| 12:38.34 | ChrisH | j24: might it be needed to get intel-microcode from backports/experimental, too? |
| 12:39.59 | j24 | ChrisH: where can I found it |
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| 12:41.18 | ChrisH | j24: _I_ would check here: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?ProductID=483&DwnldID=22508&lang=eng&iid=dc_rss coming from here http://packages.debian.org/sid/intel-microcode |
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| 12:41.35 | Asmageddon | Hello |
| 12:41.57 | Asmageddon | Could anyone suggest me the best way of installing zram in Debian? |
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| 12:59.01 | j24 | ChrisH I get it the last one |
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| 12:59.34 | j24 | but you get a microcode.dat |
| 12:59.48 | woozly | Guys, I've got W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: error. On Debian 6 (which on server). |
| 12:59.58 | woozly | Do I need to install keyring for fixing this issue? |
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| 13:03.43 | j24 | ChrisH: I'm not lucky |
| 13:03.45 | j24 | # iucode_tool --scan-system --write-firmware /usr/share/misc/intel-microcode.dat |
| 13:03.45 | j24 | iucode_tool: system has processor(s) with signature 0x00040651 |
| 13:03.45 | j24 | iucode_tool: No valid microcodes were selected, nothing to do... |
| 13:03.50 | j24 | with the last one |
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| 13:10.28 | ChrisH | What CPU is that? |
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| 13:11.27 | woozly | Guys, why I've got this Error message on apt-get install php5-fpm? |
| 13:11.27 | woozly | http://pastie.org/8091203 |
| 13:11.35 | woozly | Can't understand what to do |
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| 13:12.00 | woozly | Please help |
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| 13:13.20 | mumpitze1 | woozly: you should stop using dotdeb packages. |
| 13:13.22 | mumpitze1 | !dotdeb |
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| 13:13.23 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 13:13.37 | mumpitze1 | they packages are shit and now you know why |
| 13:13.43 | woozly | oh... |
| 13:13.56 | woozly | Okay! But how to install php5-fpm than? with official? |
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| 13:14.29 | mumpitze1 | you install debian stable aka wheezy |
| 13:14.29 | cra1g321 | woozly http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/php5-fpm |
| 13:14.30 | mumpitze1 | ,v php5-fpm |
| 13:14.32 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; jessie: 5.4.4-15.1; sid: 5.5.0+dfsg-4 |
| 13:14.49 | woozly | Okay. thank you guys! |
| 13:14.51 | cra1g321 | same version is in debian repos for wheezy |
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| 13:15.48 | j24 | ChrisH this last intel |
| 13:16.02 | j24 | Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4650U CPU @ 1.70GHz |
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| 13:17.12 | anonnumberanon | Man this is now the third time that I get a black screen after install on Debian without a desktop environment. Wut DU? |
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| 13:17.30 | woozly | but when I try to apt-get install php5-fpm, it says: E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm |
| 13:17.32 | woozly | :/ |
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| 13:18.05 | mumpitze1 | woozly: what debian version are you running? |
| 13:18.17 | woozly | 6.0 |
| 13:18.25 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: does ctrl+alt+f1 work? what videocard do you have |
| 13:18.31 | mumpitze1 | woozly: debian stable is 7.1 |
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| 13:18.46 | woozly | how to update it? :/ |
| 13:18.50 | woozly | it is on server |
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| 13:19.22 | woozly | But can I install php5-fpm on Debian 6 with apt-get? :/ |
| 13:19.28 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 13:19.33 | anonnumberanon | mumpitze1 no CtrlAlt F1 doesn't do anything, and I have a radeon 7870 card |
| 13:19.36 | mumpitze1 | !tell woozly about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:19.50 | anonnumberanon | installing Wheezy |
| 13:19.55 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: do a recovery boot to single user mode and check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 13:19.55 | anonnumberanon | (7.0) |
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| 13:20.02 | woozly | Okay! Thank you! |
| 13:20.04 | mumpitze1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.14 | anonnumberanon | yme? |
| 13:20.17 | bitgeek | !tell bitgeek about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:20.30 | mumpitze1 | !tell bitgeek about selftell |
| 13:20.32 | thyphus | of couse mumpitze1 |
| 13:20.39 | thyphus | mumpitze1 woozly: dotdeb got php5-fpm |
| 13:20.45 | atannus | I have an entry on fstab mounting a drive with 0777. Is setting a umask on the entry the only way to fix this, or can I set a default somewhere? |
| 13:20.57 | thyphus | mumpitze1 woozly: http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ |
| 13:20.59 | mumpitze1 | thyphus: and it is not supported here and besides: it won't install for woozly |
| 13:21.11 | mumpitze1 | thyphus: please do not suggest dotdeb packages to people in here |
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| 13:21.37 | mumpitze1 | atannus: umask in fstab for filesystems which don't support permissions (ntfs, fat, etc) |
| 13:21.45 | thyphus | mumpitze1: any reason? |
| 13:21.54 | mumpitze1 | their packaging is shit |
| 13:21.59 | mumpitze1 | !tell thyphus about dotdeb |
| 13:22.06 | mumpitze1 | they cause more problems than solving them simply |
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| 13:22.43 | atannus | mumpitze1, this is an ext4 system; my previous installations defaulted to 755, where can I set that default? |
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| 13:23.36 | mumpitze1 | atannus: you set this via umask and dmask for each user |
| 13:24.00 | mumpitze1 | systemwide in /etc/profile |
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| 13:25.37 | atannus | The default umask value os 022. That should mount 744, no? |
| 13:25.43 | ChrisH | atannus: For extX a chmod 755 $MOUNTPOINT with and without mounted filesystem should fix it. |
| 13:25.44 | atannus | err, 755 |
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| 13:26.22 | ezra-s | atannus, 022 = 755 afaik |
| 13:26.38 | sunbeam | Is there already a trusteable working Full Disk Encryption method for Linux systems? |
| 13:26.40 | dvs | ezra-s: Correct |
| 13:26.44 | sunbeam | Like Truecrypt for Windows |
| 13:26.48 | atannus | that's what I said. |
| 13:26.52 | ezra-s | sunbeam, LUKS |
| 13:27.01 | sunbeam | Whats this |
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| 13:27.35 | ezra-s | sunbeam, a whole disk encryption method which is already in most distributions to enable at install without much hassle |
| 13:27.42 | ezra-s | base on dm-crypt I believe |
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| 13:28.04 | ezra-s | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUKS |
| 13:28.04 | sunbeam | ok |
| 13:28.10 | sunbeam | the idea is that there are always backdoor |
| 13:28.12 | sunbeam | backdoors |
| 13:28.16 | ezra-s | ezra-s, debian has it |
| 13:28.17 | sunbeam | for any non truecrypt |
| 13:28.22 | ezra-s | wops |
| 13:28.37 | ezra-s | sunbeam, you can enable LUKS in debian install |
| 13:28.52 | sunbeam | Ohh reallty |
| 13:28.54 | sunbeam | really |
| 13:28.56 | sunbeam | didnt know even |
| 13:28.59 | rozie | (or add this later) |
| 13:29.06 | ezra-s | sunbeam, backdoors? where did you get that? |
| 13:29.12 | atannus | ezra-s, I just double checked, when I re-mount id is comes back as 0777 |
| 13:29.31 | atannus | sorry ezra-s, that was meant at ChrisH. |
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| 13:29.46 | ezra-s | atannus, ext support permissions so you don't mount it with set permissions, you set then.. and use it |
| 13:30.00 | ezra-s | s/then/them/ |
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| 13:30.08 | atannus | huh? |
| 13:30.18 | ChrisH | atannus: can you please show the full procedure you did incl. some ls -l and conteent from fstab on paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:30.23 | ezra-s | sunbeam, LUKS has been available for Debian for quite a while afaik |
| 13:30.32 | ezra-s | atannus, maybe I mixed conversations, sorry |
| 13:30.48 | atannus | ChrisH, sure, brb |
| 13:31.10 | anonnumberanon | mumpitze1, recovery boot takes me to a black screen just the same, I don't know what to do now.. |
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| 13:33.06 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, use a rescue disk to check what's going on |
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| 13:34.31 | anonnumberanon | ok and how do I troubleshoot this? |
| 13:34.41 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: boot with the nomodeset kernel parameter to disable kms |
| 13:34.58 | mumpitze1 | in grub, press "e" and edit the kernel line to add this parameter |
| 13:35.17 | anonnumberanon | ok just type nomodeset? |
| 13:35.18 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, checking logs first of course, first boot with a rescue and see what's been logged in your hdd /var/log/syslog and/or dmesg |
| 13:35.38 | mumpitze1 | no. ADD nomodeset at the end of the kernel line as a parameter |
| 13:35.53 | ezra-s | oh, anonnumberanon , propietary driver install? |
| 13:36.11 | mumpitze1 | ezra-s: more likely a lacking atombios me thinks |
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| 13:36.33 | ezra-s | wops |
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| 13:36.47 | mumpitze1 | anonnumberanon: that's another possiblity: boot from cd/usb, chroot to debian installation and install the non free amd videocard firmware |
| 13:37.24 | atannus | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/13131/ |
| 13:37.29 | anonnumberanon | ok ill try that if the nomode does not give me a cli |
| 13:37.55 | anonnumberanon | what is the kms, the kernel mode set? |
| 13:38.44 | atannus | odd, aint it? |
| 13:39.23 | ezra-s | atannus, no |
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| 13:39.26 | ChrisH | atannus: this is not what I suggested. as root: chmod 755 /media/raid ; umount /media/raid ; chmod 775 /media/raid ; mount /media/raid and not it should be OK. (Mainly the chmod 755 /media/raid while it is mounted is expected to fix it.) |
| 13:39.48 | ezra-s | atannus, do you know that the directory permissions don't have to be the same permissions when something is mounted over them? |
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| 13:40.05 | atannus | ChanServ, I did that the first time, I just didn't do it the second time for the pastebin. |
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| 13:41.03 | atannus | ChrisH, I did that the first time, I just didn't do it the second time for the pastebin. |
| 13:41.14 | atannus | lol... |
| 13:41.54 | ChrisH | atannus: Please do it again as root not sudo! and add 'dmesg | tail' please. |
| 13:42.26 | ezra-s | all I see in that paste is that umounted dir has 777, chmod 750 umounted dir and that's all |
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| 13:43.48 | anonnumberanon | ok so I plugged in my monitor to the motherboard instead of the video card and Win, I get my user login prompt |
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| 13:44.27 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, so you have two videocards.. nice to know |
| 13:44.35 | anonnumberanon | no only one |
| 13:44.44 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, two |
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| 13:45.13 | anonnumberanon | are you calling my motherboard a video card? |
| 13:45.23 | ezra-s | motherboard = integrated gpu, isn't it? |
| 13:45.30 | anonnumberanon | ya :) |
| 13:45.36 | ezra-s | two videocards |
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| 13:45.53 | dvs | hates APUs |
| 13:46.00 | anonnumberanon | man all along, the system was sending me the signal I now see, but to the motherboard outpuut |
| 13:46.19 | anonnumberanon | dvs, at least they work.. |
| 13:46.26 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, unless you have some odd pc which has two plugs for the same integrated gpu |
| 13:46.35 | dvs | bah! Just make simple CPUs |
| 13:46.41 | sunbeam | ezra-s: ok thanks |
| 13:47.11 | anonnumberanon | ezra I have Dvi and Vga.. That's 2 plugs ehh? |
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| 13:47.31 | atannus | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/13133/ |
| 13:47.38 | ezra-s | anonnumberanon, ok |
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| 13:47.46 | CommaCrazy | well I'm off have a nice weekend all |
| 13:47.54 | ezra-s | CommaCrazy, you too |
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| 13:49.42 | atannus | ChrisH, what is dmesg for? Just to be sure I'm (u)mounting? |
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| 13:50.32 | phr3ak | do you know any tool that can search words in files? which_file_contains_these_words word1 word2 word3 |
| 13:50.40 | ezra-s | atannus, man dmesg |
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| 13:50.49 | ChrisH | atannus: mainly to see it the kernel does something unexpected while mounting it. |
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| 13:51.45 | ChrisH | phr3ak: find $PATH_TO_START -type f -print0 | xargs --null egrep -l -e "word1|word2|word3" |
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| 13:53.48 | ChrisH | atannus: thats really strange. can you please show the one line from grep raid /proc/mounts here? |
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| 13:54.23 | atannus | /dev/md0p1 /media/raid ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 13:56.31 | atannus | I'm going into a meeting, just dump/ask whatever in here and I'll brb. Thanks for the help, ChrisH. |
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| 13:58.36 | ChrisH | atannus: I hoped to see some weird option shows up... I am currently out of ideas. |
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| 13:59.18 | ezra-s | ChrisH, what is the real problem? |
| 13:59.22 | anonnumberanon | To install Debian Xfce, click (advanced Options) at the installer's first screen and Desktop Options to Xfce. |
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| 14:01.21 | ChrisH | ezra-s: the permission of / from the mounted device is 777 instead of expected 755 as it was set while the filesystem was mounted. |
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| 14:02.03 | tempspace | So, I'm having big problems with wheezy, I have 7 identical servers, did a fresh install with wheezy with the same code, same version of packages (compiled in the same way, just on wheezy), but my load on Wheezy is around 3 whereas my Squeeze boxes are around .5, CPU, Memory, I/O, Interrupts, Context Switches are all the same as on squeeze, but for some reason, the load is higher. Anybody have any ideas how I can troubles |
| 14:02.03 | tempspace | hoot this further? |
| 14:02.11 | ezra-s | ChrisH, when he pasted he was showing permissions of the umounted directory being different than the permissions when it was mounted |
| 14:02.23 | ville | hmm hmm what package provides me up-to-date GL/gl.h? |
| 14:02.25 | ezra-s | which can happen/is normal |
| 14:02.46 | ezra-s | ville, probably mesa, try apt-file search GL/gl.h |
| 14:03.06 | ezra-s | if you don't have apt-file you can try http://packages.debian.org to search for the correct package |
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| 14:03.39 | ezra-s | probably propietary drivers have their own version |
| 14:04.47 | ChrisH | ezra-s: http://paste.debian.net/13133/ looks OK to me and I do expect that in line 29 the permissions are the same as set in line 6 (while it was mounted) |
| 14:05.02 | mumpitze1 | tempspace: what in top is different? us, sy, wa, etc? |
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| 14:05.21 | tempspace | mumpitze1: nothing, that's the problem |
| 14:05.44 | tempspace | It's all the same |
| 14:05.47 | phr3ak | ChrisH: it's OR relation I need AND |
| 14:06.08 | tempspace | top is the same, iostat over time is the same, vmstat over time is the same |
| 14:06.22 | tempspace | I can't figure out why on earth the load is bigger |
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| 14:07.29 | ville | ezra-s: mesa-common-dev possibly |
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| 14:08.20 | anonnumberanon | thanks guys |
| 14:09.55 | ChrisH | phr3ak: then you need to do it sequentially. grep -l word1 * > list1 then read list 1 and grep these files. I have not quick solution at hand. |
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| 14:10.59 | AciD` | hi, I want to add the asus-nb-wmi module in the ramdisk, where can I do that ? |
| 14:11.18 | phr3ak | ok thanks |
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| 14:17.32 | tempspace | mumpitze1: Any ideas? |
| 14:19.06 | atannus | ChrisH, ezra-s I'm back, thanks for the insights, I'll keep looking and try to figure this out. |
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| 14:29.25 | awktion | sup sup |
| 14:29.29 | awktion | debian >> all |
| 14:29.51 | mumpitze1 | you don't need to prclaim you loyalty |
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| 14:30.20 | AciD` | (awktion > only make a donation) |
| 14:30.27 | AciD` | (:>) |
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| 14:34.13 | pduersteler | i need to keep an ssh connection alive, however the target host has a very low server alive interval, and I need to run a job there until it is finished (cron kills the job after a while on the server...). there is no "nohup" and when I put the job into background, i need to keep the connection somehow alive to not get disconnected. I'd use top, however that's not in my chroot env, so... any ideas? |
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| 14:44.01 | ChrisH | pduersteler: 2 options here. 1. use screen on the remote side 2. use ServerAliveInterval and/or TCPKeepAlive to keep the session open |
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| 14:45.09 | ChrisH | pduersteler: option 1 is allways the preferred way for me |
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| 14:45.34 | pduersteler | ChrisH: screen isn't available either, and I have no access to administer things because it is a shared webhosting |
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| 14:46.13 | ChrisH | pduersteler: can you run at jobs? |
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| 14:47.34 | pduersteler | ChrisH: jep, however, the system is configured to automatically kill jobs running longer than e.g. 10 minutes, at least in cron |
| 14:47.37 | lotia | any pointers to a good kernel buiding guide. Know how to do manual compiles. Would like to learn how to do do it the debian way. |
| 14:47.40 | pduersteler | but that would be a try |
| 14:48.02 | dvs | !tell lotia about kp |
| 14:50.17 | ChrisH | pduersteler: sounds like you need another hoster. :) or run while true ; do echo . ; sleep 1 ; done |
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| 14:54.36 | Re[m] | Hi, I got a little problem with my computer on debian. All first i'm a beginner on linux so i'm not really easy with it. My problem is that my computer crash when the temperature reach 101°C, wich is quite fast to reach. I used a vaccum cleaner to clear my comp but it didn't woked well. Do you know if there is a solution please ? |
| 14:54.48 | pduersteler | ChrisH: hoster is good as far as I know, so I will try the until now avoided loop.. thanks anyway! :) |
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| 14:55.25 | ChrisH | Re[m]: that does not sounds like a Debian problem, but a HW and/or cooling issue. |
| 14:56.15 | Re[m] | ChrisH: sure but it's a laptop sor not really easy to set up a cooling solution, and i would want to know if a software solution can help me |
| 14:57.14 | tempspace | How can I tell what is contributing to higher sy in top? |
| 14:57.36 | mumpitze1 | with a laptop you usually have to disassemble the heatsink and fan to clean it |
| 14:57.48 | DammitJim | are there any recommended live block level backup applications? |
| 14:57.55 | mumpitze1 | Re[m]: what hardware is it exactly? what cpu, what videocard, what notebook brand and model? |
| 14:57.55 | ChrisH | Re[m]: reduce CPU speed using tools like cpufrequtils. Prefered is the HW fix. |
| 14:58.07 | DammitJim | I've used CLonezilla to do image backups, but you have to boot to the CD/USB and take the system offline :( |
| 14:58.08 | Re[m] | mumpitze1: i tried but it looks dangerous for the computer, not so easy, and i'm not used to |
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| 14:58.26 | ChrisH | tempspace: I use atop to find out most times. |
| 14:58.43 | jordanm | tempspace, iotop? high sys is usually th result of a lot for I/O operations or a lot of context switching |
| 14:58.44 | mumpitze1 | DammitJim: how else can it be done. LVM snapshots might work, but generally the harddisks needs to be offline for a backup to be made |
| 14:58.49 | jordanm | check vmstat |
| 14:58.53 | Re[m] | mumpitze1: this is a dell inspirion 1546, i don't more know about hardware in it sorry :/ |
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| 14:59.54 | ChrisH | Re[m]: If I google for Dell inspriton 1546 overheating I get eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6riEox42Fs |
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| 15:00.16 | frostschutz | DammitJim, does it have to be block level? file based is much faster (incremental). anyway, look at LVM snapshots, dm-snapshot, with a snapshot you can use dd or what ever for blocks |
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| 15:00.44 | ChrisH | Re[m]: I did not check the video! Just showing there are several ideas out there on how to fix it. |
| 15:00.47 | error3_ | DammitJim: does partimages would do that? |
| 15:00.57 | error3_ | that plus lvm snapshot could be great :) |
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| 15:01.38 | Re[m] | ChrisH: i check it |
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| 15:03.15 | tempspace | Looks like my context switches is equal, but I have 30% more interrupts in Wheezy than squeeze |
| 15:05.06 | tempspace | and I've tried this on several different board/cpu combo's |
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| 15:06.13 | tempspace | how can I diagnose what's causing the interrupts? |
| 15:06.54 | ChrisH | tempspace: I assume this is nothing new for you: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 15:07.32 | DammitJim | error3_, not sure |
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| 15:07.40 | waqar | hello all |
| 15:07.51 | waqar | a quick question |
| 15:08.22 | DammitJim | frostschutz, not sure if it has to be block level, but I want something I can just restore to a clean hard drive and the machine will just run... no OS, no config |
| 15:08.24 | waqar | can multiple ports be assigned to a single service. e.g FTP on ports 21 and 10000? |
| 15:08.29 | tempspace | ChrisH: I was hoping there was a program I didn't know about that would look at trends within that file :) |
| 15:09.07 | DammitJim | no LVM here... straight hard drive config |
| 15:09.09 | waqar | .join slackware |
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| 15:10.00 | ChrisH | waqar run 2 instances of ftp or use iptable to route it. I cannot tell you the command but google can |
| 15:10.09 | Re[m] | ChrisH: thanks for your link, i'll try to do it tonight, but that's almost the thing i did, i hope it will help, i'll come back if the problem remains |
| 15:10.12 | awktion | AciD`: oh i haz and doez; mumpitze1 and you can share in my exhuberation if you wish but don't need to either. |
| 15:10.17 | DammitJim | dd wouldn't work, right? |
| 15:10.22 | tempspace | looks like timer is interrupting quite a bit more often on wheezy |
| 15:10.44 | awktion | pduersteler: you have shell? ive had to tail log files that were slow moving, and had the same issue |
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| 15:10.55 | ChrisH | tempspace: wasn't there a kernel change on timer interupts? |
| 15:11.07 | awktion | oh nvm my irssi was showing old stuffs |
| 15:11.09 | awktion | guess your good |
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| 15:13.49 | tempspace | ChrisH: I don't know |
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| 15:17.22 | lotia | I'm a bit confused by what the bot has to say since asking about "make-kpkg" lists that "make-kpkg is no longer recommended" while asking about "kernel compile" suggests using make-kpkg |
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| 15:18.38 | frostschutz | DammitJim, you don't necessarily need LVM, you can use dmsetup directly. you could snapshot the entire hdd (if you have another block device to keep original data for any changes written during that time) |
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| 15:22.46 | waqar | thank you |
| 15:23.08 | mechanicalduck_ | raphink: what is dsc? |
| 15:23.14 | mechanicalduck_ | what is dsc? |
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| 15:24.03 | caraconan | Hi all. Does somebody know if there's any opensource collaborative application that would allows me to draw objects (such as a Business Model Canvas) and then edit and share the document? |
| 15:24.16 | caraconan | Something like a "visual" wiki |
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| 15:29.12 | caraconan | Nobody? |
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| 15:35.18 | abrotman | oh well, he left |
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| 15:36.44 | mechanicalduck_ | abrotman: hi |
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| 15:37.09 | mechanicalduck_ | abrotman: What is dsc? And is this debian package build tool just another build tool, couldn't they have used for example maven, too? |
| 15:37.32 | babilen | NOOOOO! |
| 15:38.04 | mumpitze1 | !hug babilen |
| 15:38.04 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around babilen |
| 15:38.07 | mechanicalduck_ | babilen: no? hi! |
| 15:38.17 | mumpitze1 | it's alright, no worries. it's only a bad dream. |
| 15:38.25 | babilen | mechanicalduck_: Well, building Debian packages is quite specific to, well, Debian which is why we use our own build tools. You might want to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ to learn about our workflow |
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| 15:39.27 | knyl | Does the Debian DVD iso include all the software I need, without any internet connection required> |
| 15:39.29 | knyl | ? |
| 15:39.38 | mechanicalduck_ | !hub mumpitze1 |
| 15:39.46 | mechanicalduck_ | !hug mumpitze1 |
| 15:39.47 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around mumpitze1 |
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| 15:40.08 | mechanicalduck_ | knyl: need for what? |
| 15:40.15 | mechanicalduck_ | !hug dpkg |
| 15:40.16 | dpkg | gives dpkg a hug |
| 15:40.24 | knyl | working system and desktop enviroment |
| 15:41.57 | awktion | hm |
| 15:43.06 | awktion | knyl: what sort of system are you putting it on? |
| 15:43.15 | mumpitze1 | knyl: so does the CD. packages are put on the CDs/DVDs in order of popularity |
| 15:43.28 | awktion | mumpitze1: well might need some extra drivers or something |
| 15:43.51 | awktion | someone should put the whole distro on a live bluray (multimedia and all :>) |
| 15:44.27 | knyl | Xfce + system tools |
| 15:44.38 | mumpitze1 | knyl: CD1 then |
| 15:44.42 | knyl | that's all, but the CD isos need a working internet connection |
| 15:44.58 | mumpitze1 | not even netinst needs a working internet connection |
| 15:45.02 | mechanicalduck_ | awktion: this wouldn't make sense, downloading the packages needed is the best way |
| 15:45.04 | knyl | I don't have a working internet connection for it, it needs to be an offline full install. |
| 15:45.47 | awktion | mechanicalduck_: it makes perfect sense |
| 15:45.52 | awktion | knyl: i get that |
| 15:45.56 | mechanicalduck_ | Can one make an own media with custom packages? |
| 15:45.56 | mechanicalduck_ | knyl: only if there is stuff to be downloaded, missing on the cd |
| 15:45.56 | mechanicalduck_ | knyl: but when you haven't got a working internet connection, how are you talking right now? :) |
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| 15:46.05 | awktion | the problem is proprietary drivers, etc |
| 15:46.12 | awktion | mechanicalduck_: not helpful |
| 15:46.28 | knyl | mechanicalduck_: I need firmware_realtek in order for it to work, which no iso contains |
| 15:46.36 | awktion | knyl: in general i've had good luck, but if a wifi card is involved its a crapshoot |
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| 15:46.49 | awktion | ethernet or wifi knyl ? |
| 15:46.51 | knyl | I only have wireless... |
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| 15:46.59 | awktion | ic |
| 15:47.03 | mumpitze1 | awktion: then there is the netinst installer image with firmware included |
| 15:47.03 | knyl | ethernet simply isn't possible |
| 15:47.15 | mumpitze1 | knyl: then use the firmware installer. |
| 15:47.15 | knyl | mumpitze1: that doesn't contain firmware-realtek :D |
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| 15:47.24 | knyl | I have tried many times |
| 15:47.28 | DammitJim | I see diff has an option to show if 2 files are identical |
| 15:47.31 | mumpitze1 | then download the pakcage you need manually. is that soooo hard? |
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| 15:47.46 | DammitJim | is there another utility that can just tell you that the same file 'name' is in the two directories one is comparing? |
| 15:47.50 | knyl | mumpitze1: but a reboot is required for it to work |
| 15:47.55 | awktion | its in non-free |
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| 15:48.02 | mumpitze1 | knyl: and? |
| 15:48.02 | awktion | not sure how much of anything but main will be on a dvd |
| 15:48.10 | DammitJim | I want to copy files that I have already edited to a directory that could have some of them(but unedited) |
| 15:48.14 | awktion | knyl: do you have the option to clone the deb repo online, and take that offline? |
| 15:48.18 | mechanicalduck_ | you would have to provide them on an extra media |
| 15:48.30 | knyl | mumpitze1: How is installing the deb file possible in the installation? |
| 15:48.50 | knyl | as I reboot afterwards it's just useless |
| 15:49.00 | mumpitze1 | knyl: you don't need to do it while installing and you have a console via ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 15:49.05 | awktion | ok check knyl http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 15:49.23 | awktion | If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common firmware packages or download an non official image including these non-free firmwares. Instructions how to use the tarballs and general information about loading firmware during an installation can be found in the Installation Guide (see Documentation below). |
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| 15:49.31 | mumpitze1 | knyl: and if you have read the install guide, you knew you can put it on a usb stuck and let debian load it automatically |
| 15:49.31 | knyl | mumpitze1: How do I do it without installing? |
| 15:49.34 | mumpitze1 | !firmware |
| 15:49.35 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 15:49.39 | awktion | which is exactly what you do need knyl |
| 15:49.44 | mumpitze1 | !installer firmware |
| 15:49.45 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 15:49.50 | awktion | go, get, be happeh |
| 15:49.51 | mumpitze1 | so read this |
| 15:50.12 | knyl | thanks so much |
| 15:50.20 | knyl | I have asked here many times, nobody ever suggested that |
| 15:50.24 | mechanicalduck_ | when the firmware resides in eprom or flash memory, why does debian need it then? |
| 15:50.44 | mumpitze1 | it is loaded by the driver into memory. and it's a non-free blob |
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| 15:51.01 | mumpitze1 | if it were in (e)eprom, there wouldn't be a problem at all |
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| 15:52.28 | mechanicalduck_ | oh |
| 15:52.29 | mechanicalduck_ | wow, this means that a piece of hardware like a network adapter is blank slate first and then the software is uploaded onto the eprom |
| 15:52.31 | mechanicalduck_ | but why does one has to flash firmware when it is uploaded each time during device init? |
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| 15:54.10 | knyl | mumpitze1: Can I just do http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware#Wheezy_Example_.231_:_add_single_firmware_deb in the console in the installer? (Alt + F2) |
| 15:54.14 | maroloccio | service foo start or invoke-rc.d start? |
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| 15:55.57 | kimmaria | hello. is it possible to speed up Chrome startup time when you boot the system? It takes like 10 sec to start it the first time. The second it takes a halph second. Using DB W Xfce |
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| 15:56.54 | mumpitze1 | knyl: this only works if you already have a linux system you can run the commands on. you could of course do it inside a VM like virtualbox on windows |
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| 15:57.39 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: that's due to caching. you can make chrome start on debian startup/login |
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| 15:58.18 | kimmaria | mumpitzel yeah, but the it comes like a popup right? |
| 15:58.42 | kimmaria | mumpitzel or is it possible to have like "thunar" in session? |
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| 15:59.29 | kimmaria | mumpitze1 |
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| 16:00.23 | mbecona | Hi, I have a strange error message after logging into my shell. "-bash: have: command not found". I don't find any error in my /etc/profile or in my ~/.bash_rc and neither in ~/.profile. Anybody has an idea how to solve this? |
| 16:00.32 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: ask google. they made that software, not us |
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| 16:00.50 | mumpitze1 | mbecona: grep have ~/.* ? |
| 16:01.01 | kimmaria | its big program dude. thats why ;) |
| 16:01.39 | mbecona | mumpitze1: 1 occurence starting with # |
| 16:01.57 | mumpitze1 | mbecona: maybe in /etc then? |
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| 16:02.07 | mbecona | I have a look. |
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| 16:04.29 | mbecona | mumpitze1: Neither there |
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| 16:06.58 | ChrisH | mbecona: put some echo commands into ~/.profile ~/.bashrc to detect which have been executed before this have is seeb |
| 16:07.09 | mbecona | I try |
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| 16:08.26 | kittonian | hi all. i asked this question last night, but still don't have a resolution |
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| 16:09.37 | kittonian | I have a device on the LAN (it's an AT&T Microcell). This device is not communicating with AT&T's activation servers and Time Warner swears they aren't blocking any ports, and AT&T says everything is fine on their end. Nothing makes sense so I am trying to figure out a way to track all bandwidth going to and from this device to see where it is being blocked or having an issue. |
| 16:09.46 | kittonian | how can I do this with detailed answers? |
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| 16:10.09 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: wireshark, tcpdump |
| 16:10.10 | nevyn | kittonian: you could mitm it with ettercap |
| 16:12.31 | kimmaria | how do i set prioritary in Deb W? |
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| 16:12.55 | mumpitze1 | priority of what and what is "Deb W"? |
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| 16:14.00 | kimmaria | mumpitzel Debian Wheezy |
| 16:14.11 | kittonian | nevyn: just looked that up, the linux box does not run x windows and compiling on my mac is not possible at the moment |
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| 16:14.29 | kimmaria | on Chromium |
| 16:14.31 | NEVYN | huh? |
| 16:14.39 | NEVYN | how the hell was X involved? |
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| 16:15.04 | NEVYN | tshark == wireshark for terminal |
| 16:15.05 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: tcpdump works on CLI |
| 16:15.10 | NEVYN | ettercap is terminal based |
| 16:15.23 | mumpitze1 | ettercap doesn't exist anymore it seems. |
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| 16:16.06 | kittonian | NEVYN: sorry, it looked like it needed x windows to compile. maybe i'm wrong |
| 16:16.11 | kimmaria | i dont understand. im new to Debian. How do i set the prio? :P |
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| 16:17.02 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: why would you compile anything? |
| 16:17.12 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: process priority? |
| 16:17.14 | Walex2 | which priority? As to what resource? CPU, Memory, disk, ...? |
| 16:17.19 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: process priority? |
| 16:17.29 | kittonian | mumpitze1: ettercap is source. you have to compile it to run it |
| 16:17.30 | kimmaria | for programs... like Chromium for example |
| 16:17.44 | mumpitze1 | ,v ettercap |
| 16:17.46 | judd | Package: ettercap on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.7.3-2.1+squeeze1 |
| 16:17.54 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: see how it's not? |
| 16:18.11 | kittonian | i went to the actual website and they offer source to download |
| 16:18.12 | mumpitze1 | I wouldn't use ettercap but thark or tcpdump, but you certainly don't need to compile anything |
| 16:18.15 | kittonian | didn't try apt yet |
| 16:18.20 | kimmaria | in Task Manager its says that i dont have the priviliges |
| 16:18.23 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: then learn to do it in the future |
| 16:18.29 | NEVYN | ettercap-text-only - Ettercap console-mode executable |
| 16:18.30 | kimmaria | Walex2 |
| 16:18.47 | kittonian | learn to do what? i've compiled tons of software from source. it's no big deal |
| 16:18.47 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: priviledges to do what? what command? |
| 16:18.56 | mumpitze1 | kittonian: then debian is the wrong distro for you |
| 16:18.58 | NEVYN | kittonian: are you using debian? |
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| 16:20.17 | Walex2 | kimmaria: there are separate priorities for CPU and IO, and IO works only in certain cases. |
| 16:20.23 | NEVYN | mumpitze1: It looks like it exists here.. |
| 16:20.31 | kittonian | guys, seriously, it's cool. you can certainly compile from source when using debian, or you can use apt |
| 16:20.37 | kittonian | and yes, i am using debian |
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| 16:20.57 | NEVYN | kittonian: you can.. but you probably shouldn't ;) |
| 16:21.01 | Walex2 | kimmaria: to change CPU priority of a program you can use 'renice' from the command line or 'top'. and depending on which desktop environment you use, from various process list monitors. |
| 16:21.08 | kittonian | of course you should, depending on what you need to do |
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| 16:21.13 | kittonian | otherwise, apt is fine |
| 16:21.13 | NEVYN | particularly if you're confused about what dependancies applications have ;) |
| 16:21.23 | kittonian | no one said anything about being confused. |
| 16:21.28 | Walex2 | kimmaria: to change IO priority you can use 'ionice' from the command line, and that's probably the only way. |
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| 16:21.38 | kittonian | i read the web page on ettercap and it looked like it was a graphical application |
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| 16:22.01 | Walex2 | kimmaria: in general however on recent multi-CPU chips changing CPU priority is not necessary, there are usually more CPUs than most programs can make use of. |
| 16:22.11 | mbecona | mumpitze1: Thanks for hinting. found the bug |
| 16:22.20 | kimmaria | Walex2 okey.. cus i want my chromium to startup faster |
| 16:22.28 | kimmaria | but thats not the solution then? |
| 16:22.34 | NEVYN | Walex2: there's also block elevator dm-cache a bunch of other stuff... |
| 16:23.02 | mumpitze1 | kimmaria: the solution is to buy a SSD |
| 16:23.09 | NEVYN | but it's less about prioritising a particular process and more about general io tuning and optimisation |
| 16:23.13 | mumpitze1 | or compile chromium fully static |
| 16:23.50 | kimmaria | the thing is, its start extremly fast the second time... it takes 0,10 sec |
| 16:24.11 | kimmaria | but when i start it the first time, after boot. it takes like 10 sec |
| 16:24.12 | Walex2 | kimmaria: no, and most likely your chromium starts up slow because of network stuff. |
| 16:24.53 | kimmaria | walex2 cant i put in session somehow, to get it start faster after boot? |
| 16:25.16 | Walex2 | kimmaria: those 10s can be because either your root filetree is badly fragmented, or because some kind of network-related cache (e.g. DNS) needs to fillup. |
| 16:25.30 | Walex2 | kimmaria: that's a good idea, to pre-start it. What you can do is |
| 16:26.04 | kimmaria | walex2 okey.. but it dont want it in session so it popups after boot. |
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| 16:27.07 | Walex2 | kimmaria: I just checked and regrettably chromium cannot start up iconified. Some other GUI programs can be put in the session startup list and they don't popup because they stay in the background. |
| 16:27.30 | kimmaria | walex2 okey... thanks. |
| 16:27.53 | kimmaria | hmm |
| 16:27.55 | Walex2 | kimmaria: wait, perhaps there is a way |
| 16:28.18 | kimmaria | okey... :) |
| 16:28.27 | Walex2 | kimmaria: I missed the line in 'man chromium' that says that chromium takes all the GTk options, maybe there is one... Checking. |
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| 16:28.44 | psnider85 | is interested. |
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| 16:29.34 | kimmaria | thank you sir |
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| 16:33.06 | Walex2 | kimmaria: no, can't use that. sorry about that. |
| 16:33.13 | kimmaria | walex2 okey |
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| 16:33.22 | kimmaria | thank you anyway :D |
| 16:33.27 | Walex2 | kimmaria: which window manager do you use? |
| 16:33.44 | kittonian | well, ettercap was defintiely the wrong solution as it took down the entire network's internet access when I set it up to track the microcell against the firewall |
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| 16:34.51 | kimmaria | hmm dont really know... im using Debian Wheezy XFCE |
| 16:35.00 | kimmaria | So the thing that comes with that i guess :D |
| 16:35.01 | kimmaria | walex2 |
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| 16:38.04 | nevyn | kittonian: wrong solution for you maybe... |
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| 16:38.43 | nvz | I've been having strange issues lately they're hard to even describe really, but it seems as though there is sound/video lag on pretty much everything.. flash, vlc, w/e and when its low-res it seems like you can't really even notice it.. but higher res videos you can barely watch cause they're so choppy |
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| 16:39.11 | nvz | the only thing I've changed is I did an upgrade a few weeks ago when wheezy released.. had been using wheezy as testing |
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| 16:39.45 | nvz | nothing is wrong that I can see.. no errors in dmesg, no out of space conditions.. no fs corruption.. idk whats going on |
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| 16:40.08 | nvz | I just double checked my cpufreq.. switched it from powersave to ondemand.. got a little better but not much |
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| 16:42.03 | nvz | this is a Lenovo Thinkpad T61 w/ nVidia NVS140M btw.. and I have the nvidia drivers installed and working.. see the nvidia logo on boot |
| 16:42.39 | nvz | only thing I can think of is maybe the ram is failing.. idk.. if it were the HDD or FS I'd see something in dmesg.. |
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| 16:43.00 | nvz | either that or something is fubar when I upgraded.. video drivers or something |
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| 16:43.32 | psnider85 | Go back to FB then? |
| 16:43.46 | nvz | framebuffer? |
| 16:44.11 | psnider85 | Yeah. |
| 16:44.25 | psnider85 | Have you tried the Novaeu(?) drivers? |
| 16:44.39 | psnider85 | You might have more luck with them than nvidia. |
| 16:45.17 | nvz | idk man its weird.. I did a lot of watching stuff on here and working with video prior to Wheezy going stable.. and all worked fine.. now my filemanager will not thumbnail ANY videos which is a HUGE PITA and videos are all choppy through Flash/Chromium or VLC which are primarily what I use |
| 16:45.51 | nvz | I suppose I can try finagling the video drivers around for the choppiness issue to see if it changes at all.. |
| 16:46.08 | nvz | the thumbnailing I have no idea.. I tried everything I can think of.. deleting the thumbnail dirs..etc |
| 16:47.01 | nvz | wait a minute.. now that I think about it this probably is video drivers |
| 16:47.17 | psnider85 | Sounds like it :P |
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| 16:47.22 | nvz | the one issue anyhow.. I recall the upgrade doing an nvidia-driver-cleanup step that kept hanging indefinately |
| 16:47.36 | nvz | so I hacked the script to just exit 0 at the top so it'd get through the upgrade |
| 16:47.47 | psnider85 | ._. |
| 16:47.50 | nvz | goes to look at that script |
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| 16:49.11 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 16:50.01 | nvz | I wonder how I can without screwing stuff up too much insure clean removal and reinstall of the nvidia packages.. heh |
| 16:50.05 | ville | howdy. I switched motherboard, and thus different integrated audio chipset, from underneath my install and have no audio. alsamixer shows volumes at 100 and non-muted plus I can hear the "terminal bell" in my headphones. any ideas? |
| 16:50.21 | m_tadeu | hi...I have a question about packaging for debian...is this the right place? |
| 16:50.23 | nvz | switches screen to tty1 and shuts down X |
| 16:51.09 | mtn | ville: in alsamixer, F6 to switch cards. might help. |
| 16:51.14 | nvz | m_tadeu: probably not, can you briefly describe the issue to see if anyone here knows? |
| 16:51.18 | nvz | !mentors |
| 16:51.20 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:52.03 | nvz | the #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) is probably the best place for package questions, but someone here would likely know the basics |
| 16:52.12 | nvz | needs to clean his screen |
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| 16:52.22 | psnider85 | Apt-get moo |
| 16:53.11 | nevyn | aptitude moo |
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| 16:53.35 | psnider85 | :P |
| 16:54.02 | ville | mtn: doesn't appear to help. Is there a mechanism to reset alsa to its "never seen a soundcard" state? |
| 16:54.23 | mtn | ville: don't know of any |
| 16:55.11 | nevyn | ville: there's a .state file... |
| 16:55.23 | khronosschoty | hey guys. I was trying to set up a name sever and I think I might have screwed up my bind file so that apt can not reslove things. I Get thi error "Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'" is it possible I messed bind up? would it do that? |
| 16:55.26 | nevyn | but all it really holds is the volume settings |
| 16:55.40 | m_tadeu | the question is about custom path for shared libs...if I have an app that installs libs in /usr/lib/app/ how should I proceed? setting a new path in /etc/ld.so.conf.d is bad...rpath is discouraged by debian...what's the proper way to do it? |
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| 16:56.16 | nevyn | ville: if the installer tried to be "clever" (stupid) and tried to detect model and wrote someting in /etc/modutils.d somewhere that might be the cause of your problem |
| 16:56.24 | nvz | khronosschoty: put "nameserver 8.8.4.4" (without quotes) at top of /etc/resolv.conf if it solves the issue, then yeah.. |
| 16:56.44 | khronosschoty | thanks |
| 16:56.48 | nevyn | ville: but far more likely is the bios just lies about howto configure the codec so it's going horribly wrong |
| 16:56.50 | ville | nevyn: don't have an /etc/modutils.d |
| 16:57.01 | nevyn | update the bios |
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| 16:57.31 | ville | nevyn: this motherboard has worked before for 6+ years |
| 16:57.50 | nevyn | modprobe.d |
| 16:58.01 | ville | and the manufacturer released exactly one update to the bios and it has it |
| 16:58.06 | nevyn | ville: didn't you say you changed motherboard? |
| 16:58.27 | ville | nevyn: I did. it's a working motherboard from another computer. I am suspecting the one I switched out is faulty. |
| 16:58.46 | nevyn | working in linux? |
| 16:58.51 | nevyn | with this kerenl? |
| 16:58.59 | mtn | ville: recheck your connections |
| 16:59.27 | ville | there are couple files in /etc/modprobe.d/ indeed: alsa-base-blacklist.conf and alsa-base.conf |
| 16:59.31 | mumpitze1 | ville: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:59.44 | mumpitze1 | !tell ville about alsa checklist |
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| 17:00.09 | ville | mumpitze1: 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel and 1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia |
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| 17:00.25 | HMMH | hi plaese help to resolve error |
| 17:00.27 | HMMH | ImproperlyConfigured: settings.DATABASES is improperly configured. Please supply the ENGINE value. Check settings documentation for more details. |
| 17:00.29 | khronosschoty | worked thanks so much |
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| 17:00.48 | HMMH | in django |
| 17:00.50 | nevyn | !alsa-info |
| 17:00.55 | nevyn | !alsa-info.sh |
| 17:01.01 | khronosschoty | I have been looking through page after page for how to set up dns etc. I tried to sve my defual bind pages but I made mistakes |
| 17:01.02 | nevyn | really?... |
| 17:01.16 | khronosschoty | can anyone offer any solid bind9 guides |
| 17:01.23 | khronosschoty | I am too dumb to know what is good or bad |
| 17:01.41 | nvz | hmm.. got rather interesting output from "apt-get --purge remove nvidia*" http://paste.debian.net/13179/ |
| 17:02.26 | nvz | think if I do this then reinstall it should fix the video parsing issues, then I just gotta figure out how to make caja thumbnail again and thats not really a "debian" issue |
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| 17:06.03 | ville | mtn: I'd presume my connections are alright because I can hear the terminal bell in headphones |
| 17:06.23 | ville | mumpitze1: root doesn't hear so it doesn't appear to be audio group problem |
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| 17:07.37 | blackjack | guys how do i set in my box to ban ips that tried to log on my box several times? |
| 17:08.03 | nkuttler | blackjack: try fail2ban |
| 17:08.04 | blackjack | like 5 failed logins |
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| 17:08.26 | blackjack | is that an easy to setup app? |
| 17:08.30 | HMMH | i need help :( |
| 17:08.44 | nkuttler | blackjack: well try it and see? |
| 17:08.56 | blackjack | nkuttler: by the way, before i use fail2ban, should my firewall be on first? |
| 17:09.01 | blackjack | or will automatically on it? |
| 17:09.02 | mumpitze1 | HMMH: ask a django or python channel? |
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| 17:09.21 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: automatically. netfilter is always "on", it's part of the kernel |
| 17:09.31 | nkuttler | unless it's not built into it.. |
| 17:09.38 | blackjack | okay |
| 17:09.40 | blackjack | thanks |
| 17:09.43 | mumpitze1 | nkuttler: then it's not a debian kernel and OT :P |
| 17:09.44 | jean_brat | hi.. i am trying get skype on debian 7.1.. its not listed in package manager.. is there any repository i have to add? |
| 17:09.48 | nkuttler | blackjack: obviously if you flush your rules etc. the fail2ban rules are gone as well |
| 17:09.51 | mumpitze1 | !tell jean_brat about skype |
| 17:09.53 | nkuttler | mumpitze1: true that |
| 17:09.54 | blackjack | mumpitze1: can i set netfileter to drop icmp pings? |
| 17:10.01 | nkuttler | blackjack: certainly |
| 17:10.11 | nkuttler | !tell jean_brat about skype |
| 17:10.18 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: haven't you been told already that you can do it with sysctl? and that it's futile to do so? |
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| 17:10.41 | blackjack | nkuttler, but i have an old kernel, and i cant update coz its only VPS, which is openVM |
| 17:10.51 | nkuttler | blackjack: and? |
| 17:10.52 | mumpitze1 | then you cann't access iptables |
| 17:10.59 | blackjack | so i dont know if my kernel verssion supports netfilter? |
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| 17:11.08 | mumpitze1 | it doesn't. you have no kernel in the first place |
| 17:11.19 | blackjack | oh |
| 17:11.30 | blackjack | so the idea of having fail2ban is pointless as well? |
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| 17:12.30 | mumpitze1 | is it ssh you want to harden? then use certificate login only, maybe port knocking |
| 17:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | blackjack, fail2ban can also use routing rules... you'll just to... ya know... try things, I guess |
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| 17:13.13 | blackjack | i mean is it possible to use it even i dont have full control of my Kernel having a VPS only? |
| 17:13.29 | blackjack | which is openVM |
| 17:14.07 | blackjack | mumpitze1, yes i want to harden ssh and also to minimize failed logins, i noticed some failed logins are enormous and i think bruteforcers |
| 17:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | TIAS |
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| 17:14.25 | blackjack | so i want to limit their logins to only 5 |
| 17:14.32 | blackjack | failed logins |
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| 17:16.15 | nvz | idk but that whole purging and reinstalling nvidia packages, updating xorg didn't resolve my problem.. and I'm noticing unusually high load averages that I can't seem to figure out whats using the resources.. |
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| 17:16.50 | nvz | I'm at 1.17, 1.22, 1.34 loadavg right now and all I'm doing is running screen+irssi on tty1, I dont even have X running |
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| 17:17.02 | nvz | I should be at like 0.3 or less all the way across right now |
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| 17:17.19 | nvz | well I got htop running in another screen window to tell me this.. heh. .but w/e |
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| 17:20.27 | nvz | well I had mysqld running for some reason.. but thats the only thing I seen.. and that only brings me down to 1.01, 1.11, 1.27 loadavg with core 2 still spiking to 100% when I only see htop using 1% of the cpu intermittantly |
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| 17:20.46 | nvz | this computer is obviously doing something other than what I'm doing.. |
| 17:21.31 | nvz | and whatever it is, is causing me to not be able to even playback audio/video in real-time |
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| 17:22.16 | nvz | I'm also using 400MB of ram with only logged in on tty1 with a screen session running irssi and htop |
| 17:22.22 | nvz | should be more like 40MB |
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| 17:25.55 | nvz | there is so much crap in this system now I don't even know what it is.. like these system-tools-backeds, colord.. and whatever minisdpd is.. |
| 17:26.10 | khronosschoty | lol |
| 17:26.12 | nvz | but none of it is close to using the resources that are shown in use |
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| 17:26.55 | nvz | I'm using less than 1% of cpu and maybe 40MB at most.. yet I see 400MB in use and one CPU core spiking to 100% with way higher than normal load averages |
| 17:27.14 | nvz | I normally don't have load averages this high WITH X running, doing video playback, surfing the web, and such |
| 17:27.42 | nvz | what I'm doin on here right now I could do on my WRT54G without breaking a sweat.. |
| 17:28.33 | nvz | my only thought right now is to reboot and with the oldest kernel I have |
| 17:29.28 | nvz | either this shit is rooted and doing somethin crazy, or this kernel is FUBAR cause its not managing this systems resources for shit |
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| 17:30.20 | nvz | gonna do an update, upgrade, and reboot, then try another kernel I guess *shrug* seems to me like wheezy was more stable on my system before it was stable.. heh |
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| 17:31.27 | nvz | ...and go figure out what minisdpd is |
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| 17:32.08 | rryoumaa | is there a way to use aptitude to do set-selections? |
| 17:32.16 | nvz | ah.. upnp.. I thought thats what f'n avahi was for.. how come I have both?! |
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| 17:33.24 | nvz | dpkg, tell rryoumaa -about aptitude clone |
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| 17:35.48 | nvz | blah blah blah blah blah.. this is the worst my machine has ever run since I started using Debian.. makes me think its gotta be the hardware but its a tad suspicious it all worked fine until Wheezy released |
| 17:36.10 | nvz | not to mention the linux kernel tends to bitch a lot when the hardware is messed up and its not complaining at all |
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| 17:36.55 | rryoumaa | nvz: thank you. it sounds like that is better than dpkg --set-selections because of the automatically installed flag? some other snippets mention dpkg. |
| 17:37.04 | nvz | only two things it doesn't usually know about are Power Supply and RAM issues.. and I think I'd have noticed if that was the problem.. cause both cause random spurratic issues all across the board.. not specific failures |
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| 17:37.43 | Silent | Hello |
| 17:37.52 | Silent | Is having a 384mb root ok? |
| 17:37.52 | nvz | rryoumaa: sounds about right I guess.. idk anything about it.. I'm kinda old fashioned and only have used aptitude when I fubar something and am open for suggestions.. which its always ready to give a buncha crazy ones.. heh |
| 17:38.23 | nvz | Silent: yeah, you can also have a 386mb root or a 3.86MB root.. or whatever you want.. |
| 17:38.44 | Silent | But why so small? How much space is used on the root partition? |
| 17:38.51 | nvz | you could also be more specific so we can help your real problem other than answer silly questions |
| 17:38.56 | Silent | The installer auto-created this for me |
| 17:39.08 | nvz | Silent: you're not gonna install a desktop system in 384MB with no other partitions |
| 17:39.14 | nvz | if thats what you're asking |
| 17:39.24 | Silent | I also have seperate /var /usr /home |
| 17:39.30 | nvz | you need like 4-6GB just for the packages and probably another GB or two to be able to upgrade |
| 17:39.46 | Silent | And /tmp |
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| 17:40.55 | nvz | Silent: well all user data from settings to things you download and work with daily is in /home, programs are mostly in /usr and /var.. so yeah.. if you have /tmp, /var, /usr and /home about all you got sitting on / is /boot (kernels, initrds.. about 50MB or so per kernel), /dev and /etc, which are generally negligible in size.. and /bin, /sbin which aren't very big either |
| 17:41.14 | nvz | Silent: /bin and /sbin are 15MB total for both on my system |
| 17:41.22 | Silent | Oh |
| 17:41.36 | nvz | Silent: 19MB for boot, 18MB for /etc |
| 17:41.39 | Silent | Well it's ok then. Also, why does it give me 12GB swap? |
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| 17:41.51 | nvz | Silent: how much ram do you have? 4gb? |
| 17:41.58 | Silent | 6 |
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| 17:42.25 | nvz | Silent: it gave you enough swap to hold your ram twice over.. thats not needed.. you can create a swap file on any of your partitions as needed |
| 17:42.46 | Silent | Yeah that's why I'm so surprised. |
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| 17:43.01 | nvz | Silent: main things swap is for is handling when you exceed your ram usage to keep the system from totally locking up or to suspend/resume/hibernate |
| 17:43.24 | nvz | Silent: well 2x ram is a good rule of thumb.. but when you got more than enough to handle all you do IN RAM then its not really needed |
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| 17:44.08 | nvz | I can play 1080p video open 50 12MP images in the gimp, have 20 tabs open in chromium with flash applets and such and not even be close to useing 4GB of ram.. |
| 17:44.53 | nvz | but if you had 1 or 2GB and tried to do all that with no swap.. you're gonna have to hard reboot the machine.. cause as gimp opens those images, and is filling up its tile cache while VLC is buffering 1080p video.. the machine is gonna lock up hard |
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| 17:45.03 | nvz | heh |
| 17:45.31 | Silent | I see |
| 17:45.40 | nvz | swapping is always undesirable but not being able to when you need to deadlocks the machine |
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| 17:45.48 | Trae32566-NE | nvz, why do you only have 4GB RAM |
| 17:45.52 | Trae32566-NE | >.> |
| 17:46.50 | nvz | Trae32566-NE: I think 4GB is the max in this Lenovo T61.. but I maybe could get 8GB.. just don't need it.. and would have two 2GB chips I dont need if I replaced em with 4GB ones |
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| 17:47.18 | nvz | I'm just splainin to this person the reason there is a "rule of thumb" for swap and what its good for and what its not good for |
| 17:48.04 | nvz | a swap partition is always best if you HAVE to swap, but if your typical usage doesn't exceed your ram and you're talking 12GB or so wasted space.. then you probably just wanna make no swap partition and make swap files as needed |
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| 17:48.27 | nvz | swap files can be easily unloaded and removed to reclaim the space and added in increments as needed while the system is running |
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| 17:49.21 | nvz | however if you don't care about the 12GB then it'll be there when you need it most.. and will keep your machine running (slowly) when shit hits the fan |
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| 17:50.58 | nvz | Silent: keep in mind though your upgrades and any packages you download are cached in /var and if you run any servers with default configs they probably also reside in /var so that directory can get big |
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| 17:51.12 | nvz | I typically reconfigure my servers to use /srv instead to keep things separate |
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| 17:51.40 | nvz | which if you do this, you want a /srv/ too so you're not filling up your root when you use it.. |
| 17:52.14 | nvz | I generally throw crap like tftp boot servers, opensims, http servers..etc in /srv as recommended by the FHS |
| 17:53.10 | dondelelcaro | yeah; Debian has them use /var by default so they can work... we can't stick anything in /srv |
| 17:53.29 | dondelelcaro | so it's a good idea to change the configuration to use /srv as soon as you install them |
| 17:53.39 | nvz | dondelelcaro: why is that? that you can't use it by default? |
| 17:53.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's forbidden by the FHS |
| 17:54.06 | dondelelcaro | nvz: Debian can't assume any directory structure under /srv at all or create anything there |
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| 17:54.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: so since we want the daemons to work (in general) without any configuration, we have to use /var |
| 17:54.20 | nvz | ah.. right.. its user configurable like /opt |
| 17:54.42 | nvz | its recommended to use it but doesnt specify how.. so its left up to the user |
| 17:54.46 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 17:56.24 | nvz | looks like my upgrade is done.. I still don't understand whats up with this system.. but a reboot is the best idea I got.. its been running over 6 days and got cruft built up somehow.. cause there is way more resources showing in use than I'm using |
| 17:56.45 | nvz | I've never had this much trouble with a system running debian before.. its just running really poorly |
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| 17:57.58 | nvz | I'm still at 0.81, 0.86, 1.06 loadavg CPU1 is still spiking to 90% and I got over 380MB of ram in use.. with absolutely nothing going on here.. |
| 17:58.14 | nvz | irssi+screen in tty1 with htop is negligible.. it shouldn't even register |
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| 17:58.42 | nkuttler | nvz: is that some kind of vm? |
| 17:58.43 | nvz | my load avgs should all be below 0.3 w/ 40-60MB in use tops |
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| 17:59.29 | nvz | no, its just plain wheezy, stock kernel and everything, debian nvidia packages.. running natively on a Lenovo T61 (o |
| 17:59.40 | atannus | Every article I found on "how to mount samba share via fstab" tells me to reference the share via //servername/path/to/share but that does not work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:59.42 | nvz | (Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz w/4GB ram) |
| 18:00.08 | nvz | only non-debianess going on is I have mate repos in the sources and using mate with lightdm.. but thats all not running right now |
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| 18:01.07 | nvz | even with X and MATE running prior to Wheezy going stable I would be well below this usage |
| 18:01.26 | nvz | I keep graphs of all usage, temps, fan speeds, etc.. I know what my usage looks like.. heh |
| 18:01.41 | nvz | this machine is doing something other than what _I_ am doing.. |
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| 18:02.25 | nvz | can't even run it in powersave anymore which I do cause its summer and it gets really hot.. but in powersave with whatever is causing this load, it's way too choppy |
| 18:03.07 | nvz | and I can't even get real-time video playback anymore from anything unless its really low res 320x240 kinda low res or lower.. even with the CPU ondemand |
| 18:03.22 | nvz | just not making any sense to me |
| 18:03.37 | nvz | I expected to see dmesg saying my HDD was dying or df saying I was out of space or something |
| 18:04.02 | nvz | but I see no problems other than a horribly unresponsive system with seemingly too much resources in use |
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| 18:09.24 | nvz | oh well, I'll be back I guess.. gonna reboot and see what it looks like |
| 18:09.34 | abrotman | mechanicalduck: hi ? |
| 18:09.42 | abrotman | mecontext please |
| 18:09.50 | abrotman | mechanicalduck: context please |
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| 18:10.50 | blackjack | guys got a problem on pastebin, can you tell me whats my best solution? |
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| 18:11.04 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/LiZNWX6e |
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| 18:12.06 | dvs | blackjack: Try an "apt-get update" first. |
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| 18:12.21 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: show us your sources.list if that doesn't help |
| 18:12.44 | dvs | ,v fail2ban |
| 18:12.45 | judd | Package: fail2ban on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.8.6-3wheezy2; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy2; jessie: 0.8.10-1; sid: 0.8.10-1 |
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| 18:14.47 | nvz | hmm well it was able to play a whole lot more of a high res video without skipping.. but is still choppy even now with lightdm stopped and back on tty1 with screen+irssi I'm still having even my echoing of chars to the screen severely lagging |
| 18:15.17 | nvz | so this def isn't video drivers.. its delaying keyboard echoing on the tty.. that has little to nothing to do with the nvidia drivers |
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| 18:15.48 | nvz | nor does it explain why I already have a 1min load avg of nearly 3 when it should be 0.3 |
| 18:16.04 | nvz | it should actually be more like 0.01 but 0.3 at most |
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| 18:16.40 | nvz | though in relation to what nevyn said earlier.. this machine does have something vm-like.. it has that intel AMT crap.. |
| 18:17.13 | nvz | but none of that is exposed to linux that I'm aware of.. its all remote management technology not in use |
| 18:19.30 | mumpitze1 | nvz: what cpu is it? |
| 18:19.53 | mumpitze1 | it sounds like bad harddisk drivers which run in PIO mode |
| 18:19.57 | blackjack | <dvs> blackjack: Try an "apt-get update" first. <-- ok done! then? |
| 18:20.26 | dvs | blackjack: try it again |
| 18:20.33 | blackjack | should i do apt-get install fail2ban again? |
| 18:20.34 | blackjack | ok |
| 18:20.53 | blackjack | still same result |
| 18:21.00 | nvz | mumpitze1: core 2 duo t7500 2.2ghz |
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| 18:21.43 | blackjack | dvs: same result occured, same as in what i pastebin |
| 18:22.03 | nvz | whatever happened would pretty much have to have happened when I upgraded wheezy from testing/frozen to stable |
| 18:22.17 | nvz | cause it worked fine a couple weeks ago and I didn't change anything other than doing that upgrade |
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| 18:22.42 | nvz | only other thing I can think of is get another kernel.. all I got on here is the wheezy stock one right now |
| 18:22.45 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: show us your sources.list |
| 18:22.57 | blackjack | mumpitze1, how do i do that gain? :/ |
| 18:22.58 | mumpitze1 | nvz: you must see what causes the load and the memory usage |
| 18:23.16 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: you managed to show us your apt output, you know how |
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| 18:23.43 | nvz | mumpitze1: yeah well I don't see the "usage" shown at the top of htop being anywhere in the process list below.. heh.. looks like normal consolekit and such crap that is doing nothing |
| 18:23.44 | blackjack | im not familiar with sources.list. let me google |
| 18:23.54 | blackjack | oh also i etc/apt |
| 18:23.54 | blackjack | wait |
| 18:24.12 | nvz | I'm running on tty1, only one user logged in, running screen, irssi, and htop.. thats it.. and normal system daemons.. no servers or anything |
| 18:24.14 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:24.29 | nvz | and my system is right now less responsive than it's ever been the whole time I've owned it |
| 18:24.35 | mumpitze1 | nvz: run "top", press "C" |
| 18:24.55 | blackjack | mumpitze1: 2 lines of wheezy |
| 18:24.56 | jharri34 | I just installed debian and i need help setting up the wireless card |
| 18:25.19 | blackjack | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 18:25.21 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: that's nice but useless. |
| 18:25.24 | mumpitze1 | !tell blackjack about bat |
| 18:25.31 | blackjack | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:25.37 | blackjack | those 2 |
| 18:25.41 | nvz | mumpitze1: kworker and watchdog kernel processes are using the most cpu time.. |
| 18:25.57 | mumpitze1 | run powertop |
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| 18:26.37 | blackjack | its already wheezy |
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| 18:26.55 | nvz | mumpitze1: its showing 100% in power top on the audio codec.. is that normal? |
| 18:26.57 | jharri34 | can anyone help me setup my wireless card after a fresh install? |
| 18:27.04 | nvz | mumpitze1: audio is not in use at all.. |
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| 18:27.18 | blackjack | mumpitze1, what could be the problem? |
| 18:27.24 | badkid | Hi, i |
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| 18:27.28 | blackjack | fail2ban wont install. i already have perl |
| 18:27.34 | blackjack | maybe because of old kernel? |
| 18:27.41 | mumpitze1 | nvz: not if it's not using audio. blackist nd reboot? maybe it fixes the error |
| 18:27.45 | badkid | i've a question. My serial card gets disabled after a while and i've to restart my system to get t working again. |
| 18:27.48 | blackjack | i have python already rather |
| 18:28.09 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: the factoid told you what to do. unless you do, all we can do is guess |
| 18:28.25 | mumpitze1 | nvz: *blacklist rather |
| 18:28.31 | nvz | kworker seems to be just managing watchdogs for the ethernet and wifi, and disk schedulers.. and the laptop fan seems to be using most of the power.. heh |
| 18:29.00 | nvz | mumpitze1: yeah and breaks my sound in the process which is what caused me to start investigating in the first place.. choppy sound on video playback.. heh |
| 18:29.20 | nvz | but I'll see if I can unload the sound driver and if that solves anything for diagnostic purposes |
| 18:29.26 | mumpitze1 | then you have video without sound. right now you are in triage/diagnose mode |
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| 18:30.16 | nvz | yeah.. I smell ya.. |
| 18:30.55 | tempspace | Any ideas on fixing this interrupt issue? http://pastebin.com/qR0w2sLa |
| 18:30.58 | blackjack | mumpitze1, i have many questions about what he pmed me. :( like " the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." whats that? |
| 18:32.21 | mumpitze1 | the output of that command for the packages in question |
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| 18:36.00 | nvz | mumpitze1: well I removed all snd modules one at a time and can plainly see my chars are still pausing on the echo to screen about every 4-12 chars it pauses for a second or two.. only two still loaded are snd and snd_timer cause they're in use by thinkpad_acpi which is the next module I'd try unloading.. but that controls a lot of important stuff in this machine |
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| 18:37.44 | nvz | mumpitze1: this is now the most interesting line in power top 445.5 µs/s 42.6 Interrupt [1] timer(softirq) |
| 18:37.56 | nvz | was at over 200 wakeups a minute ago |
| 18:38.15 | nvz | probably from me typing.. idk.. not sure what interrupts those are referring to |
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| 18:39.05 | zinx | nvz: timer is the multitasking tick :/ |
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| 18:40.08 | nvz | zinx: ah.. well normally I go tickless when I build my own kernels.. |
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| 18:40.29 | zinx | nvz: it still has timer ticks :) |
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| 18:41.01 | nvz | on the device stats everything is 100% whatever that means |
| 18:41.12 | nvz | like literally everything.. bluetooth, usb, video, EVERYTHING |
| 18:41.16 | zinx | o_O |
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| 18:42.29 | zinx | nvz: means they're on, i guess? |
| 18:42.36 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/13197/ |
| 18:42.45 | nvz | idk I'd hope so.. heh |
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| 18:43.34 | nvz | cpu went down for a second to 97.7% |
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| 18:44.12 | nvz | I read intel's documentation on power top ages ago.. never really used it.. so idk what any of this means as far as whats normal |
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| 18:46.15 | nvz | I do know this is really annoying.. I can't even type cause I gotta keep waiting to see where I'm at.. heh.. I can type a almost a hundred chars before I see em |
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| 18:46.48 | nvz | there is no good reason I can think of for this damn thing running this shitty.. I'd think a dual core 2.2ghz cpu with 4GB ram is enough to run irssi on a text console.. ffs |
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| 18:47.12 | dvs | run top |
| 18:47.39 | nvz | I've had htop running for hours.. and ran top and powertop. .thats not getting anywhere obviously |
| 18:47.55 | TH0MASR0SS | .15 |
| 18:47.56 | nvz | its showing resources in use and not showing whats using em |
| 18:48.04 | dvs | top does |
| 18:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also gotta look at it's output to do any good :) |
| 18:48.08 | nvz | its as though the kernel and hardware itself is using all the reources |
| 18:48.12 | nvz | heh |
| 18:48.20 | nvz | true.. true.. |
| 18:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/it's/its/ |
| 18:48.56 | nvz | just said when I ran top and hit C that kwatchdog was using 200% of the cpu |
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| 18:49.14 | dvs | so that's what's using the cpu! |
| 18:49.15 | nvz | which I seen mate system monitor say that about VLC the other day when I first noticed this stuff happening |
| 18:49.23 | nvz | how does something use 200% of something? |
| 18:49.25 | nvz | heh |
| 18:49.26 | riceandbeans | do you feel that it's a good idea to version control config files for things like exim? |
| 18:49.36 | nvz | I don't have 200% of CPU to be used! |
| 18:49.38 | riceandbeans | nvz: more than one cpu |
| 18:49.49 | riceandbeans | 100% of 2 |
| 18:49.52 | riceandbeans | or 50% of 4 |
| 18:49.56 | riceandbeans | or 25% of 8 |
| 18:50.03 | nvz | there is only one cpu.. technically two cores, but not really.. |
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| 18:50.19 | riceandbeans | same thing |
| 18:50.24 | dvs | so it's using up both cores |
| 18:50.24 | nvz | its a T7500 which is technically a single core "Core2 Duo |
| 18:50.35 | riceandbeans | buy a better chip |
| 18:50.43 | dvs | Duo means 2 cores |
| 18:50.48 | nvz | but shows up as two cores.. but the specs say its a single core |
| 18:50.59 | nvz | look up intel's docs on the t7500.. says single core |
| 18:51.08 | riceandbeans | intel is wrong |
| 18:51.19 | nvz | I guess.. but they made the damn thing.. heh |
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| 18:51.41 | riceandbeans | what you want is a Dell r770 |
| 18:51.50 | riceandbeans | with 32 cores and 256GB RAM |
| 18:51.55 | nvz | if I ercall correclt the other core shows up as 50mhz in linux |
| 18:51.57 | dvs | nvz: http://ark.intel.com/products/29761/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T7500-4M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB?q=T75 |
| 18:52.00 | dvs | 2 cores |
| 18:52.02 | riceandbeans | that will run debian nicely |
| 18:52.24 | nvz | this machine ran debian nicely until a couple weeks ago |
| 18:52.42 | nvz | and as I said before a f'n WRT54G can run what I'm running right now without breaking a sweat |
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| 18:53.19 | nvz | I got a dual-core 2.2ghz w/4gb ram.. if I can't run screen and irrsi on tty1, something is really fubar |
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| 18:53.32 | aegis | Anyone have problems running deluged on Wheezy? I get trace callbacks for errors and then crashes. |
| 18:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you said that... maybe time you focused a bit more on finding out what's going wrong than on the general ranting |
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| 18:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happens when you kill the process using up all cpu? |
| 18:54.27 | nvz | well people are chiming in with stuff that is irrelevant and stupid to even mention.. like go buy another computer |
| 18:54.36 | nvz | you can't kill the kernel process |
| 18:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlc doesn't seem unusual |
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| 18:55.03 | nvz | last thing I seen using 200% was kwatchdog which is process 0 which is the kernel |
| 18:55.15 | nvz | doesn't seem to be any one process.. and its highly intermittant |
| 18:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder about that... it sounds like a kernel process, but I don't seem to have one of the name |
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| 18:55.39 | nvz | depending what is running some process or another eats up ALL the resouces is what seems to be happening |
| 18:55.48 | nvz | which is obvious from the typing not even echoing on the screen |
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| 18:56.03 | nvz | takes a lot to bog a machine down to not even be able to respond to basic I/O |
| 18:56.08 | aladds | hey all. Just did a fresh install on a pc, and I'm unable to ssh in. I have physical access, so I can still use it, but every ssh attempt is giving me a "Permission denied" error. What gives? |
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| 18:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | aladds, you type the wrong password? :) |
| 18:57.00 | aladds | CutMeOwnThroat: I know it's correct |
| 18:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | aladds, run ssh -v -v -v -v user@host to see what's happening on the client side... |
| 18:57.10 | aladds | I can ssh localhost on the box |
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| 18:57.28 | riceandbeans | that's a lot of verbosity |
| 18:57.34 | martint | nvz, just curious, since you said it ran nicely until a couple weeks ago, did anything change in the intervening weeks? |
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| 18:57.53 | AndreeeCZ | hello. How do i run a script right after the user is asked to login? (login from cli) |
| 18:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | aladds, on the server side... dunno, guess you have to stop the sshd, start it up with debugging options and make it not fork (for maximum information) |
| 18:58.01 | nvz | martint: nothing other than upgrading when Wheezy released.. I'd been running wheezy for like 6-8mo fine |
| 18:58.15 | riceandbeans | is there a big difference between smtp and esmtp? such that if I run a server that needs to forward all mail from my domain outbound and not accept any for local delivery, that it will matter if it supports smtp and not esmtp? |
| 18:58.24 | aladds | CutMeOwnThroat: "we sent a password packet, wait for reply" then "Authentications that can continue: publickey,password" |
| 18:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, not if it's really filling up IO and the 100%CPU is only a consequence of that... |
| 18:58.45 | riceandbeans | I initially told it to esmtp to google.com for the domain but it freaked out, so I changed that to smtp to google.com and it was fine with it |
| 18:58.57 | dondelelcaro | aladds: that usually means that the password was wrong |
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| 18:59.12 | dondelelcaro | aladds: the auth log on the server should tell you more information |
| 18:59.13 | riceandbeans | AndreeeCZ: put it in the bash rc |
| 18:59.13 | aladds | I can type the password on the console and I know it's right |
| 18:59.16 | aladds | right |
| 18:59.23 | AndreeeCZ | riceandbeans, thx |
| 18:59.23 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah well thats what I'm getting at.. something seems to be wrong at the lowest level beyond what I can see with top.. cause it only shows processes |
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| 18:59.36 | martint | nvz, but you can't pinpoint the particular upgrades that caused it to happen? |
| 18:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, looked at iotop? dmesg? |
| 18:59.48 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: as I'm sure you know I been here awhile.. like 10 years.. I got some clue what I'm doing.. heh.. I can narrow down simple problems of process usage |
| 18:59.55 | riceandbeans | AndreeeCZ: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/sample-bashrc.html |
| 19:00.02 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and I'm assuming you've checked out iotop and similar, right? |
| 19:00.04 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: dmesg isn't showing anything.. never heard of iotop |
| 19:00.08 | aladds | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah the auth.log says failed password. how odd |
| 19:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, I do... but you neither mentioned dmesg, nor iotop, so I ask |
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| 19:00.40 | nvz | looks into iotop |
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| 19:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | aladds, something weird with the remote keyboard you use? |
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| 19:01.37 | aladds | shouldn't be, but I just tried changing the password to a simple one, and without shift it seems to work fine...perhaps the keyboard on the box has a broken shift key or something :P |
| 19:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- psychic |
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| 19:02.24 | nvz | iotop seems to show disk usage.. and I got a little green dummy light for that.. disk usage is fine |
| 19:02.25 | aladds | wierd |
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| 19:02.31 | aladds | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks :) |
| 19:02.35 | Bryanstein | Anyone here ever used a Unisys ES 7000? I can't get this silly thing to work for me |
| 19:02.37 | nvz | 0in 0out |
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| 19:03.21 | lgsmTUX | hi, how to change Gui startup with XDMCP instead gdm menu ? |
| 19:03.21 | Bryanstein | ES 7000-510 ... I get nothing from it, she powers on and everything but beyond that nill, no video, etc |
| 19:03.23 | Asara | hey anyone here have any experience with snort/barnyard? |
| 19:03.35 | nvz | goes to read /var/log/dmesg to look for any errors during boot |
| 19:03.47 | lgsmTUX | i´m trying in /etc/inittab but no success |
| 19:03.59 | aladds | CutMeOwnThroat: The M key on the keyboard doesn't work when shift is pressed! |
| 19:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | iotop shows... surprise, surprise... the io which is mostly disk but includes network etc, I think |
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| 19:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | aladds, nice... |
| 19:04.22 | NuggaBoomBoom | YO YO YO HOW TO INSTALL ECLIPSE NUGGAZZ |
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| 19:04.48 | nvz | first thing I see that is wierd to me but probably not an issue is "Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware" |
| 19:04.53 | dvs | ,v eclipse |
| 19:04.54 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-4; sid: 3.8.1-4 |
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| 19:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got that, too |
| 19:06.08 | NuggaBoomBoom | nuggazz ..i have error libz.so could not be located hwo me get NUGGAZZZZZZZZZZ??? |
| 19:06.16 | NuggaBoomBoom | HALP ME NOW BITCH NUGGAZZZ |
| 19:06.52 | nvz | hmm.. the "[ 0.148008] Measured 399784 cycles TSC warp between CPUs, turning off TSC clock." and "[ 0.148008] Marking TSC unstable due to check_tsc_sync_source failed" are also a tad curious |
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| 19:07.32 | bazhang | !ops | NuggaBoomBoom |
| 19:07.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | NuggaBoomBoom |
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| 19:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... this is kinda old pre-sata hardware, right? |
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| 19:12.12 | abrotman | that was more polite than I might have been .. |
| 19:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can get massive performance problems when DMA is switched off on the disks... but usually the source of that is clear, as you get freezes when you access the disk |
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| 19:13.44 | nvz | maybe its this damn TCO watchdog timer |
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| 19:14.00 | shadows | shows distant interest in "pre-sata hardware" comment and continues typing on his "USB but not bootable reflective LCD tablet" device from the '00's |
| 19:14.01 | nvz | reading through /var/log/dmesg it says it finds and enables one |
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| 19:14.57 | nvz | is gonna go aimlessly unload a bunch more drivers since unloading all the snd* drivers didn't solve anything |
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| 19:15.36 | dvs | It doesn't seem like it's drivers, it's whatever kwatchdog is doing. |
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| 19:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should be called "watchdog, not kwatchdog |
| 19:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and all it does is write to a device once a minute |
| 19:16.33 | dvs | but the k is silent. ;-) |
| 19:16.37 | nvz | haha |
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| 19:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I'd try running the previous kernel if no udev or similar unpleasantness prevents it |
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| 19:19.17 | martint | i think a lot of people with problems with high kworker usage is from one or more acpi interrupts going haywire, but it's different for each person what needs to be disabled to make it go away |
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| 19:19.59 | dvs | my problem is neo... or whatever. It goes berserks once in a while. |
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| 19:22.04 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't seem to have another kernel to try and was trying to assume the debian one works.. |
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| 19:24.03 | nvz | I'm to the point now I'm catting random device nodes trying to figure out what the hell is quite apparently throwing interrupts so damn fast it can't even echo my chars onto the screen |
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| 19:25.08 | nvz | saw PS/2 spike in powertop when I wasn't using anything ps2.. so I tried cat /dev/psaux nothing happening there but what I type or touch on the touchpad.. so idk |
| 19:25.19 | nvz | keeps saying shit is doing stuff it can't or shouldnt be doing |
| 19:25.42 | dvs | Could be the keyboard or touchpad. |
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| 19:25.51 | nvz | this is why I run linux.. to keep something from doing this to my system |
| 19:26.00 | nvz | heh |
| 19:26.12 | nvz | the kernel be failing me |
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| 19:26.53 | leftist | is this a 64bit config? Quad Core Xeon3000 |
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| 19:27.17 | Zitter | hi, I have myurl.com with dns configured in ns1.dnsdomain1.com previously registered in ns1.dnsdomain2.com Now can I temporarly point that url to ns1.dnsdomain2.com ? |
| 19:27.20 | dvs | leftist: it's a 64-bit CPU if that's what you mean. |
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| 19:27.40 | leftist | dvs so it runs 64bit. it's confusing to me sometimes |
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| 19:28.30 | martint | nvz, what about "for x in /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/*; do echo $x; cat $x; done" |
| 19:29.19 | val_erie | I need to install an application in python virtual environment. One of the prerequisites for that app is Solr. If I install solr-tomcat in os, whould it be accessible from virtualenv? |
| 19:29.24 | leftist | so quad core means 4 cpu? or 2x2? |
| 19:29.30 | leftist | or 1x4? |
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| 19:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | leftist, it can run 64bit, doesn't necessarily do it. dpkg --print-architecture should show what type of packages dpkg is installing |
| 19:29.48 | wulllst | hey there. should i be seriously concerned if rsync says "some files vanished before they could be transferred (code 24)" |
| 19:30.16 | nvz | martint: I guess the numbers shown are the number of interrupts? |
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| 19:30.58 | leftist | i wanted to buy this http://pastebin.ca/2411104 |
| 19:31.05 | leftist | link is in the pastebin |
| 19:31.27 | nitrodex | why didn't you buy it then |
| 19:31.44 | leftist | umm it looks like it only has 1 cpu |
| 19:31.47 | martint | nvz, yeah. maybe one of them is going up really fast for whatever reason |
| 19:32.01 | nvz | martint: cause gpe12 shows 2333 and that is apparently the total for all shown |
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| 19:33.38 | nyzer | i'm having trouble to get the routing table show in the shell of the kfreebsd installer. |
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| 19:33.54 | nyzer | is there any other tool then route that should be used? |
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| 19:34.21 | Th0masR0ss | nyzer: this isn't FreeBSD? |
| 19:34.53 | nyzer | debian Kfreebsd |
| 19:35.00 | Th0masR0ss | oh |
| 19:35.04 | Th0masR0ss | never mid |
| 19:35.07 | Th0masR0ss | mind |
| 19:35.30 | nyzer | and im having problem troubleshooting why the installer doesnt want internett. |
| 19:35.33 | Th0masR0ss | missed the k |
| 19:35.40 | nvz | I'm running the default 2.6 686 pae kernel, but I guess I'm gonna install the RT and AMD64 ones and try them too.. since this seems to be at the kernel/hardware level |
| 19:36.19 | nyzer | ip is ok, dns is ok. but it wont resolv. I suspect routing. But i cant confirm when i cant display the routing table |
| 19:36.47 | nyzer | I have found a bug thats closed in version 8.2 of the kernel. |
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| 19:41.05 | nvz | idk but it doesn't make any sense at all but this machine is posessed or rooted or something somehow.. cause even now installing the two other kernls with it doing dkms crap.. both cores are spiking to 200% and its not showing enough process usage in htop, top, powertop, nothing.. |
| 19:41.18 | nvz | how the hell are resources being used I can't see? |
| 19:41.33 | nvz | its almost like the kernel thinks I got more resources than I have or something |
| 19:41.48 | nvz | its totally not doin its job.. I know that much :-P |
| 19:42.28 | nvz | guess I'll try the RT kernel first see if anything changes, then boot the 64bit one.. |
| 19:42.33 | nvz | reboots |
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| 19:45.51 | karatekid | has anyone here successfully installed debian on a macbook air? |
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| 19:46.12 | ivnz | hello how can I make that user can accest to program service to? |
| 19:46.14 | karatekid | actually what i'd like to do is run debian off a usb drive, like this: |
| 19:46.15 | karatekid | http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/718439-how-to-run-fedora-linux-on-the-macbook-air-without-touching-the-ssd |
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| 19:46.40 | OptimizedCoder | I have a new debian Wheezy install - howver - I might need later packages - from say, Testing (Jessie) - Would this be an as easy change as adding jessie's sources under /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:47.05 | OptimizedCoder | ^ Or is there any potential to bork the system/install if I do that |
| 19:47.16 | OptimizedCoder | I don't want to live in dependency-hell |
| 19:47.37 | dvs | OptimizedCoder: mixing releases is a sure way to bork the system. |
| 19:48.08 | OptimizedCoder | dvs, okay, lets asay I just want ot update specific pkgs to Testing, then - like libc |
| 19:48.30 | dvs | OptimizedCoder: that would be one of the worst packages to update |
| 19:48.38 | OptimizedCoder | all my apps need later than libc-2.13 :( |
| 19:48.44 | OptimizedCoder | hmm |
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| 19:48.51 | OptimizedCoder | okay - I'm ready to take the plunge |
| 19:49.01 | OptimizedCoder | how easily do I update my whole system to Testing? |
| 19:49.02 | mtn | ha ha |
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| 19:49.28 | martint | i've never actually had a problem with mixing releases, but i just run unstable and pull from experimental (and sometimes testing) as needed |
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| 19:49.48 | dvs | OptimizedCoder: That's easy. Just update your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 19:50.00 | OptimizedCoder | martint, whats the easiest way to do that - can you point me to a DUMMIES wiki? |
| 19:50.15 | martint | Opiumozor, as dvs says, edit sources.list |
| 19:50.28 | nyzer | change stable to testing, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:50.29 | OptimizedCoder | dvs, in other words remove all Wheezy's sources and replace them with Jessie's? |
| 19:50.40 | dvs | OptimizedCoder: yes. |
| 19:50.58 | OptimizedCoder | ok - let me take the leap of faith |
| 19:51.14 | OptimizedCoder | prays |
| 19:51.19 | martint | i'd probably use "aptitude full-upgrade --visual-preview" to carefully look at what it's removing though |
| 19:51.35 | dvs | good idea |
| 19:51.37 | OptimizedCoder | martint, good suggestion |
| 19:51.41 | martint | you want to make sure it's not removing something you really want without replacing it with the equivalent |
| 19:52.17 | OptimizedCoder | gotcha, brb |
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| 19:55.12 | nvz | well I don't know what to make of this, but using the RT kernel I can playback video, my load averages are under 1 and things are generally working within a somewhat acceptable level now.. but its still obvious something is bogging the machine down |
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| 19:56.08 | val_erie | I am trying to setup django-oscar demo in virtualenv. I am following howto at http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/install.html I installed pysolar and pyquery in virtualenv as requiremaents for apache Solr. I downloaded Solr tgz package and decompressed it with tar xvzf apache-solr-3.5.0.tgz && SOLR_PATH=`pwd`/apache-solr-3.5.0/example. I copied and pasted sites/demo/deploy/solr/schema.xml to solr/conf/schema.xml. Do |
| 19:56.09 | val_erie | I need do the commands ./manage.py build_solr_schema > $SOLR_PATH/solr/conf/schema.xml and cd $SOLR_PATH && java -jar start.jar? |
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| 19:56.52 | val_erie | soory, I am in the wrong channel |
| 19:56.53 | nvz | I'm in X now, with MATE running and playing phineas and ferb (1280x720) video with no choppiness.. but the usage still is way too high for just doing this |
| 19:58.01 | nvz | I don't see how doing the same stuff I been doing for 10 years suddenly requires more resources o.O |
| 19:58.45 | nvz | I also don't see any reason to not just use the 64bit kernel which will probably have better performance than even this RT kernel |
| 19:59.13 | nvz | I know FGLRX cannot do hybrid, but nvidia can.. and thats what I use.. so I can have a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland |
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| 19:59.40 | petemc | ~. |
| 19:59.40 | apt | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. |
| 19:59.43 | petemc | ~>`~. |
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| 20:00.44 | nvz | why is it there are RT patched 32bit kernels and not 64bit? are they inherently "RT" or something? |
| 20:01.46 | martint | nvz, are you looking for linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 20:01.53 | nvz | messed up part is, all I wanted to do was listen to this music video on my desktop then go do some work.. 3hrs later.. I can finally play the video without skipping and I'm not interested anymore :-P |
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| 20:02.46 | nvz | and while I can do that now, I don't see the problem as being solved cause for whatever reason this machine still has resources tied up in $DIETY only knows what |
| 20:03.03 | vlt | nvz: http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 20:03.21 | nvz | martint: I didn't see anything like that when I searched my package cache.. is what I'm getting at |
| 20:03.56 | nvz | not even sure what the RT-preempt patch is.. just curious to me there are patched 32bit kernels in the package list and not 64bit |
| 20:04.36 | martint | nvz, if you can't find it maybe you have to change your dpkg arch settings |
| 20:04.57 | nvz | vlt: heh |
| 20:05.19 | nvz | martint: so there is such a thing in amd64? |
| 20:05.42 | nvz | I been sticking with 32bit to avoid any problems.. but they probably got that crap well ironed out by now |
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| 20:06.00 | martint | nvz, this is what apt-cache tells me yes |
| 20:06.02 | nvz | last time I ran 64bit I still had lots of issues with 3rd party stuff like google earth and such |
| 20:06.21 | nvz | which are only avaibale in 32bit and the ia32libs were still sketchy |
| 20:06.35 | martint | you can run 32-bit programs in amd64 just fine, you just need to install lots of 32-bit libraries afterwards |
| 20:07.00 | nvz | at this point I'm so fed up with the way this is running I'm ready to do a clean install.. so I may just reinstall and use a full 64bit OS since my hardware will support it |
| 20:07.33 | nvz | I just have it all on one partition and only got two 500GB notebook drives to my disposal and they're both full |
| 20:07.53 | nvz | got maybe 20GB or so on each :-P |
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| 20:09.33 | martint | you can do a 32->64 conversion in place... but it might be hairy |
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| 20:09.49 | dvs | might? |
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| 20:10.08 | nvz | heh.. yeah.. really |
| 20:10.12 | nvz | I'm not even attempting that |
| 20:10.21 | nvz | I'd sooner try install over top of this using D-I |
| 20:10.37 | nvz | go in and manually delete everything but /home |
| 20:11.25 | nvz | I just am really annoyed with the fact this seems to have gone all MS Windows on me.. and broke randomly for no reason with no signs of what is wrong |
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| 20:12.11 | blackjack | i got the same problems with installing fail2ban and even nano, here are the errors --> http://pastebin.com/NqNe7sHw |
| 20:12.28 | blackjack | can someone know why i always get those 2 errors? |
| 20:12.29 | nvz | I got process monitors showing high load averages, cpu and ram usage and none of the utilities can show me whats using any of it.. I have all these graphs on my screen at all times.. I know how they normally look.. and the load average one is usually so low even under what I consider my peak usage I can't even see it on this tiny graph |
| 20:12.49 | nvz | and I've NEVER seen 200% CPU usage which I see a lot anymore |
| 20:13.30 | dvs | ,v libgd2-noxpm |
| 20:13.31 | judd | Package: libgd2-noxpm on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-5; jessie: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1; sid: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1; wheezy: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1 |
| 20:13.57 | dvs | blackjack: you installed packages from sid |
| 20:14.08 | blackjack | whats sid? |
| 20:14.11 | nvz | I normally got my machine playing back video just for background noise, doing lots of photo editing, documents (spreadsheets..etc) lots of tabs open in chromium.. all that.. and never shows usage like its showing now no matter how low I take the system.. I can go to tty1 and stop everything and its still showing higher usage stats than the machine has ever shown my whole time owning it |
| 20:14.23 | dvs | blackjack: unstable |
| 20:14.35 | blackjack | how did i do that? |
| 20:14.36 | nvz | then the damn top utils show nothing adding up to what is shown to be in use |
| 20:15.10 | martint | nvz, it's probably a kernel/driver upgrade that did it |
| 20:15.20 | blackjack | so dvs what do you suggest, reinstall it all over again? |
| 20:15.45 | dvs | blackjack: Actually, I'd use another mirror, not ftp.debian.org |
| 20:16.03 | Th0masR0ss | !ftp.debian.org |
| 20:16.04 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 20:16.06 | blackjack | how come? but thats the offical |
| 20:16.19 | format_c | I head nearly the same problem wiht upgrading two system of mine. in my case vlc-nox broke the upgrade |
| 20:16.19 | dvs | ^^^^ |
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| 20:16.22 | Th0masR0ss | blackjack: see above |
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| 20:16.51 | nvz | martint: yeah.. thats the only thing I can think of.. but what could they have possibly done in the last few months to have effected performance this much and why am I the only one noticing it? heh.. |
| 20:17.08 | nvz | which is what brings me to doing a clean install to see if that solves all the issues |
| 20:17.51 | blackjack | dvs: how do i use another mirror with apt-get ? |
| 20:18.02 | format_c | I had to manually remove the affected packages using dpkg to be able to execute the recommended apt-get install -f and then I were able to continue the dist-upgrade |
| 20:18.22 | dvs | blackjack: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:18.30 | nvz | for now running RT-686-PAE seems to at least have it working well enough for me to keep doing day-to-day stuff until I have time and resources to do a new install without having to lose my data.. would help to wait until I can afford a RAID tower.. which I plan to get soon and offload all this crap off my notebook |
| 20:19.08 | nvz | this just shouldn't happen.. another thing I may try is putting this HDD in the T500 and see if it runs like crap on there |
| 20:19.31 | nvz | only problem there is, it doesnt have nvidia, so I'd have to alter my x config |
| 20:19.53 | nvz | they're very similar hardware though.. the T500 is slightly more powerful |
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| 20:20.00 | akcx | hey |
| 20:20.00 | akcx | i have a script that exits if it is already running. what is the recommended exit value? 1? oder something else? |
| 20:20.19 | akcx | s/oder/or/ *g* |
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| 20:20.42 | nvz | akcx: most things only pay any attention to 0 or non-zero.. the rest is all user-defined |
| 20:20.47 | Th0masR0ss | akcx: 0 means it went fine. |
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| 20:21.15 | nvz | i.e. this && that only checks to see if this exited 0, if its 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 498, 2981851.. it doesn't care.. its failed either way |
| 20:21.59 | blackjack | i think www.debian.org is down |
| 20:22.26 | dvs | ??? |
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| 20:22.36 | erai | blackjack: i think its just you |
| 20:22.39 | nvz | if this says 1 is foo and 2 is bar, and that says 1 is bar and 2 is foo.. then those are specific to this and that.. exit codes don't have a standard I'm aware of :-P |
| 20:23.00 | akcx | hmm ok. I thought maybe there is some sort of convention (like exit code 2 on wrong commandline arguments...) |
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| 20:23.22 | nvz | blackjack: yeah, no problems here |
| 20:23.37 | format_c | blackjack, http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian.org |
| 20:24.02 | nvz | akcx: only people I know that done stuff like that are Microsoft.. heh.. recall that being in the help section of quick basic.. back when they were trying to standardize error codes |
| 20:24.19 | nvz | akcx: in the real world errors are only specific to the program that generated em |
| 20:24.51 | nvz | there is error and there is no error.. and there are also warnings.. heh.. but other than that, the rest is all individually defined on a per-case basis |
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| 20:25.13 | akcx | well then, i'll just exit with 1 and be okay with it... :-) thanks for you opinions... |
| 20:25.47 | nvz | as far as the universe is concernt exitting 1 is just as fail as exiting 20982149603496 |
| 20:26.24 | format_c | nvz, well that could become an issue on 32-bit systems :-) |
| 20:26.34 | Th0masR0ss | 0 is all good |
| 20:26.36 | nvz | heh.. figured someone would say something like that |
| 20:26.53 | erai | i thought returns are 32(int) even on 64 bit systems |
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| 20:27.46 | blackjack | guys can you suggest me another editor. i cant download pico or nano |
| 20:27.58 | blackjack | is there default editor in debian? |
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| 20:28.02 | erai | blackjack vi? |
| 20:28.03 | nvz | blackjack: nano and vi are usually installed on any debian system |
| 20:28.12 | blackjack | mines not |
| 20:28.24 | nvz | probably not debian.. or not installed all the way |
| 20:28.43 | KDank | hey yo |
| 20:28.50 | format_c | erai, not sure about that but I thought on 64-bit systems int means 64-bit and when I introduce my main() with int main() {return 0;} it propably returns a 64-bit integer. |
| 20:29.05 | KDank | sooo I have installed Lynx, but for some reason it won't start |
| 20:29.39 | format_c | gonna check that.... |
| 20:29.50 | dvs | blackjack: editor |
| 20:29.59 | dvs | proabably nano |
| 20:30.08 | format_c | is bootin the 64-bit machine.... |
| 20:30.37 | KDank | "#start lynx" right? |
| 20:30.46 | transfinite | actually exit status codes are only 8 bits! you can exit with any int value but that only the low 8 bits are returned to the parent process |
| 20:30.51 | nvz | nano is priority: important and should be installed even if you select nothing but a base install |
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| 20:31.36 | nvz | transfinite: well thanks for that.. heh.. just further proving my point that nobody cares what the exit code is other than is it 0 or not zero |
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| 20:32.13 | nvz | in any case you gotta go look it up.. cause there is no standard on exit codes |
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| 20:32.17 | transfinite | right, just don't exit with a big power of two :-) |
| 20:33.04 | Fah | if you want 64 bit ints, you want a long long int |
| 20:33.10 | nvz | transfinite: why not? Ambiguous errors that are unpercievable are common in the field.. look at Microsoft's error messages.. |
| 20:33.15 | AndreeeCZ | im trying to execute a command before logging in, but to no avail |
| 20:33.16 | dvs | or int64_t |
| 20:33.26 | AndreeeCZ | bashrc is After the boot |
| 20:33.31 | AndreeeCZ | i mean log in |
| 20:33.39 | AndreeeCZ | how can i do this? |
| 20:34.14 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: .bashrc is after bash starts, .profile is before bash starts, after login.. |
| 20:34.28 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: you can no more run a command before logging in than you can run one before turning the computer on.. heh |
| 20:34.51 | nvz | you'd have to hook pam directly or poll auth log to run a command before logging in, and technically you're still not doing it without loggin it |
| 20:35.15 | AndreeeCZ | nvz, wel i wanted to run a command just between boot and login |
| 20:35.24 | Fah | add the command to rc.local? |
| 20:35.25 | KDank | hey how do I start a program I have installed? "#stary lynx" right? |
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| 20:35.47 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: I throw small things into /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh which runs at the last stage of booting.. |
| 20:36.07 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: you can however make your own init script put it in /etc/init.d/ and link it just the same.. |
| 20:36.56 | Guest51875 | correct me if I am wrong but this is the standard source list for debian wheezy http://paste.debian.net/13214/ |
| 20:36.57 | AndreeeCZ | nvz, but in init.d/ there are is a lot of stuff |
| 20:36.58 | Guest51875 | ? |
| 20:37.03 | AndreeeCZ | so i just put it there, nvz |
| 20:37.12 | format_c | ah yes I was wrong. int is also of 32-bit even on a 64-bit system |
| 20:37.54 | Guest51875 | I ask because the last time I had those as my repos I could install dropbox from the software manager |
| 20:37.59 | Guest51875 | and this time around I cannot |
| 20:38.43 | format_c | and transfinite was also right that bash reduces the return value to a 8-bit short value |
| 20:38.45 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: /etc/init.d/ is where the scripts go, then links are made in the runlevel folder.. for example /etc/rcS.d/ the "startup" runlevel has a link S20bootmisc.sh which runs /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh on boot |
| 20:39.01 | KDank | How do I start lynx? |
| 20:39.02 | format_c | bash or the kernel ... |
| 20:39.50 | mtn | Guest51875: It looks fine, but I would change "stable" to "wheezy". |
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| 20:40.02 | Guest51875 | Thank you |
| 20:40.12 | Fah | KDank: you run "lynx" |
| 20:40.13 | blackjack | why is the vim vi editor so hard to operate :( |
| 20:40.15 | mtn | Guest51875: http://packages.debian.org to see what packages are available |
| 20:40.24 | alpheb | KDank: just type "lynx" in a shell ? |
| 20:40.28 | blackjack | just save something its hard |
| 20:40.30 | KDank | wtf is a shell |
| 20:40.38 | nvz | AndreeeCZ: debian by default boots to runlevel 2, so anything linked in /etc/rcS.d/ is run first, then /etc/rc2.d/ is run, then you see the login.. |
| 20:40.38 | KDank | oh wow dumb |
| 20:40.40 | dvs | Guest51875: I'd change the second line to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:40.42 | KDank | thanks ya'll |
| 20:40.50 | KDank | I kept typing #start lynx" |
| 20:41.02 | blackjack | dvs: how about the security |
| 20:41.08 | blackjack | securty.debian.org |
| 20:41.13 | blackjack | should i put.us to it? |
| 20:41.16 | dvs | that's fine |
| 20:41.24 | Guest51875 | done |
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| 20:41.35 | martint | Guest51875, in addition to /etc/apt/sources.list, there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 20:41.54 | KDank | What about when the program I want to run is a .sh? |
| 20:41.59 | martint | i.e. i think google chrome doesn't modify sources.list, it just puts a snippet inside sources.list.d |
| 20:42.00 | KDank | shell script, I believe? |
| 20:42.13 | nvz | KDank: use windows much? |
| 20:42.22 | KDank | I'm just starting.. |
| 20:42.33 | KDank | and I haven't had many problems except with two programs |
| 20:42.41 | nvz | KDank: yeah well forget the file extension.. that doesn't and never did mean anything outside windows |
| 20:42.57 | KDank | didn't think so, but I figured it had something to do with why it was opening in kwrite |
| 20:42.59 | zaltekk | just do: file <blah> |
| 20:43.03 | zaltekk | to see what it is |
| 20:43.03 | Guest51875 | Okay so I have another question are any of you having trouble installing the firmware 64bit edition of wheezy through unnetbootin |
| 20:43.04 | Guest51875 | ? |
| 20:43.11 | nvz | file type is determined in every other OS by heuristic scanning or by file headers.. the filename and its "extension" have nothing to do with it |
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| 20:43.43 | KDank | well, on the tutorial, it says I'm just supposed to click the file and it will start the programs associated with it |
| 20:43.48 | nvz | a shell script can be .gif, .jpeg, .avi, .sh .nobody.cares whatever :-P |
| 20:43.49 | KDank | but when I click it, it opens in kwrite |
| 20:43.55 | martint | KDank, with a .sh file, you can either execute it (run it as a program) or edit it (look at it as a text file) |
| 20:44.09 | martint | if you right click it, there might be menu options there for execute and edit |
| 20:44.19 | zaltekk | or maybe it needs execute permissions |
| 20:44.28 | zaltekk | otherwise i don't think it'd open in kedit by default |
| 20:44.37 | nvz | KDank: well then I take it you're using KDE.. which I don't know much about so I can't offhand tel you how to change file associations, but it GNOME its usually just right click file, goto the properties and then to the "open with" tab |
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| 20:44.56 | nvz | KDank: GNOME also asks you if you want to display/run the file if its executable.. |
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| 20:45.10 | nvz | executable is a filesystem permission, has nothing to do with the filename or its contents |
| 20:45.33 | mtn | Guest51875: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 20:46.04 | zaltekk | nvz: aye, but there is no "open with execute this file" |
| 20:46.06 | KDank | well in the properties, there is a check box for "is executable" |
| 20:46.13 | zaltekk | it should execute by default if it's got +x |
| 20:46.13 | Guest51875 | thanks |
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| 20:46.33 | martint | kdank, you want that checkbox checked if you want to execute it |
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| 20:46.42 | KDank | I did, but nothing |
| 20:47.00 | KDank | well, it won't stay checked |
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| 20:47.27 | nvz | KDank: well sounds to me like konqueror or whatever KDE uses these days for filemanagement.. dolphin or w/e is stupid.. it should know to ask you if a file is executable if you want to execute it or not |
| 20:47.35 | nvz | an executable file has no association.. |
| 20:47.51 | KDank | which file manager do you recommend? |
| 20:47.55 | brontosaurusrex | KDank, in cli: chmod +x file |
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| 20:48.10 | brontosaurusrex | then ./file |
| 20:48.15 | brontosaurusrex | and it may run |
| 20:48.29 | martint | KDank, who is the owner of the file? if your user account is not the owner then you can't change its permissions |
| 20:49.06 | nvz | KDank: I'm not gonna go there.. other than saying I prefer the old gnome 2.x environment if I'm gonna use a full desktop environment. But I will say KDE is not widely used in the debian community so questions about it are gonna be hard to answer for a lot of people.. thats why there is a specific channel and mailing list and such for KDE users on Debian |
| 20:49.09 | KDank | it should be |
| 20:49.35 | martint | i.e. i notice earlier that you showed your prompt as starting with a #, which is the prompt for the user root. but now you are trying to change the file permission inside the file manager as your own user (kdank) |
| 20:49.45 | nvz | KDE is more cartoony and seemingly more friendly to new users.. but in the debian world, one of more savvy users, not many people use KDE so support with it is scarse |
| 20:49.56 | martint | so kdan the user account can't change the permissions of a file owned by root |
| 20:50.41 | KDank | well |
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| 20:50.52 | KDank | I did the chmod command that was suggested |
| 20:50.56 | nyzer | \ |
| 20:51.00 | KDank | nothing |
| 20:51.12 | brontosaurusrex | not even an error? |
| 20:51.13 | KDank | the terminal doesn't say anything though |
| 20:51.17 | KDank | no error |
| 20:51.33 | martint | what is the name of the file you are trying to run? |
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| 20:51.41 | nvz | KDank: techically you'd run a script as "bash script.sh" or "python script.py" and that'd be the same as "associating" it with bash or python in the file manager.. but its more common to use the shebang and ./script.sh or ./script.py or just "run/execute" the file as a program. |
| 20:51.52 | brontosaurusrex | KDank, what does "file ./file" give you? |
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| 20:51.56 | nvz | the shebang is #! on the first line of the file followed by which shell should interpret it |
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| 20:52.36 | nvz | on a default install of debian you have at the very least dash(bash),perl, and python.. among other shells typically |
| 20:52.38 | KDank | got it |
| 20:52.42 | KDank | fantastic |
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| 20:52.48 | nvz | so a "shell script" is a generic term |
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| 20:53.07 | KDank | Thanks nvz |
| 20:53.21 | KDank | aaand brontosaurusrex |
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| 20:53.35 | KDank | I'm just starting out with debian, so it's a bit rough for me |
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| 20:53.39 | brontosaurusrex | KDank, so what does your misterious exe do? |
| 20:53.55 | KDank | well, it's for the tor browser |
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| 20:54.03 | brontosaurusrex | oh, ok |
| 20:54.04 | KDank | go ahead and laugh, if you feel the need |
| 20:54.11 | nvz | sane graphical file managers should see the "executable" bit on the file and ask you if you want to run (execute) or display (open with associated program) the file |
| 20:54.34 | KDank | do you suggest one? I was just using kde's default |
| 20:54.40 | brontosaurusrex | nvz, seriously, which one is sane? |
| 20:54.52 | KDank | really, i'll take any advice you're willing to offer |
| 20:55.05 | rryoumaa | brontosaurusrex: emacs dired can be set to offer you various options |
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| 20:55.14 | martint | kde's default file manager is sane. the file just probably had the wrong permission |
| 20:55.31 | brontosaurusrex | yeah, dolphin should be good |
| 20:55.49 | KDank | So have any of you tried to use tor browser? |
| 20:56.14 | rryoumaa | there is one? |
| 20:56.20 | KDank | well, it's a bundle |
| 20:56.27 | KDank | firefox+tor+vidalia |
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| 20:56.46 | KDank | you run the script and it starts them all and configures it for the most part |
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| 21:00.42 | blackjack | nvz: i already changed the sources.list ftp site to us. Yet i still get the two errors i posted on my pastebin |
| 21:01.01 | Dwarf | Hello debian people if freenode! |
| 21:01.02 | Dwarf | How would I get foobnix? |
| 21:01.03 | Dwarf | It's not in the normal repos |
| 21:01.11 | Dwarf | Wait I'm blind |
| 21:01.11 | blackjack | actually many other application if i use apt-get install .. it gives me those two errors |
| 21:01.14 | Dwarf | Disregard what I siad |
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| 21:01.37 | blackjack | how could i continue? |
| 21:02.02 | erai | blackjack: did you apt-get update |
| 21:02.08 | blackjack | yes |
| 21:02.19 | blackjack | it downloaded more |
| 21:02.24 | blackjack | and did okay |
| 21:02.32 | blackjack | but when i type apt-get upgrade |
| 21:02.39 | milobit | 7 |
| 21:02.39 | blackjack | the two errors that i post still appears |
| 21:02.42 | blackjack | yes |
| 21:02.44 | blackjack | wheezy |
| 21:03.24 | blackjack | damn i was having a hard time with vi or vim, i just downloaded winscp to do the job :D |
| 21:03.51 | blackjack | to edit that is. |
| 21:04.24 | blackjack | maybe i should edit the url http://security.debian.org as well? |
| 21:04.33 | erai | i just looked at the pastebin |
| 21:04.36 | blackjack | whats wrong with it. |
| 21:04.49 | erai | did you "apt-get -f install" |
| 21:04.54 | blackjack | not yet |
| 21:05.00 | erai | or use aptitude |
| 21:05.00 | blackjack | not yet erai, totally not yet |
| 21:05.09 | blackjack | not yet also on aptitude |
| 21:05.19 | blackjack | how do i use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 21:05.32 | blackjack | but on my other VPS apt-get alone work real fine |
| 21:05.48 | erai | same commands |
| 21:06.30 | blackjack | yes |
| 21:06.32 | blackjack | same commands |
| 21:06.33 | Th0masR0ss | blackjack: aptitude help |
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| 21:06.58 | blackjack | how do i put out those two errors on the paste bin that i posted, thats my question Th0masR0ss |
| 21:07.08 | blackjack | i dont think using another application with cut it. |
| 21:07.28 | erai | aptitude is better at fixing deps, IMO |
| 21:07.32 | blackjack | is there something wrong on my install? Or maybe it really doesnt want me to. because of my old kernel? |
| 21:07.39 | blackjack | okay |
| 21:07.43 | blackjack | let me man aptitude then |
| 21:08.29 | erai | how did you manage to install gnuplot-nox without its deps anyways? |
| 21:08.50 | blackjack | i really dont know. weird. |
| 21:09.01 | blackjack | i actually was able to instal irssi as well and znc |
| 21:09.04 | blackjack | but using apt-get |
| 21:09.18 | blackjack | should i apt-get -f install > |
| 21:09.20 | blackjack | ? |
| 21:09.22 | martint | blackjack, yes |
| 21:09.23 | blackjack | should i do that |
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| 21:11.31 | blackjack | now this is the error after doing the command |
| 21:11.32 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/njY0X3yx |
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| 21:12.29 | blackjack | hows that errors now. error after error |
| 21:13.18 | blackjack | hello |
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| 21:13.59 | erai | looks like your install is pretty broken... |
| 21:14.12 | erai | you can mark the package to ignore its deps for now |
| 21:14.19 | erai | and do a dist upgrade |
| 21:14.31 | blackjack | how? |
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| 21:14.55 | blackjack | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:15.14 | blackjack | by the way aptitude is not working |
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| 21:15.30 | blackjack | it says command not found |
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| 21:15.52 | martint | you don't have aptitude installed. what do you get when you do "dpkg --list libgd2-xpm" |
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| 21:17.41 | blackjack | here martint are the results .. http://pastebin.com/8vY79HFz |
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| 21:19.11 | martint | blackjack, what about "dpkg --list gnuplot-nox"? |
| 21:20.07 | martint | oh, i know why |
| 21:20.18 | martint | you have the 386 version installed, but your repo lists are for amd64 |
| 21:20.35 | martint | are you running 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 21:20.42 | dvs | !prize martint |
| 21:20.42 | dpkg | gives martint a beer. |
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| 21:21.46 | blackjack | hmmm |
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| 21:23.52 | martint | blackjack, type "dpkg --print-architecture" to see what arch gets installed by default |
| 21:23.56 | blackjack | here it is martint.. paste bin. http://pastebin.com/j75eKvZp |
| 21:24.16 | KDank | so when I go to start a program, it says "Permission denied" but then when I go to run it as root, it won't let me because it's a browser and should not be run as root... |
| 21:24.25 | martint | yeah, see, you have the amd64 version of gnuplot-nox, but libgd is the i386 version |
| 21:24.28 | frikinz | blackjack: you're running ubuntu? |
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| 21:24.35 | blackjack | no frikinz, debian |
| 21:24.46 | martint | blackjack, do you know if the rest of your system is (mostly) amd64? |
| 21:24.59 | blackjack | root@blackjack:~# dpkg --print-architecture |
| 21:24.59 | blackjack | amd64 |
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| 21:25.21 | blackjack | i dont know, but this is vps |
| 21:25.24 | frikinz | blackjack: I don't see such package version in debian ? |
| 21:25.28 | martint | if so, you figure out why you have a random i386 package there and see if it's needed. otherwise uninstall libgd-xpm, reinstall the amd64 version, and apt-get -f install and you should be good to go |
| 21:25.40 | dvs | blackjack: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 21:25.42 | blackjack | let me look at my /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 21:26.11 | blackjack | dvs it already said Amd64 |
| 21:26.45 | frikinz | Ah I didn't scroll enough. it existed indeed |
| 21:26.51 | blackjack | but cat /proc/cpuinfo says |
| 21:26.52 | blackjack | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz |
| 21:26.55 | martint | blackjack, what do you get when you type "dpkg --list | grep i386" |
| 21:27.44 | blackjack | im in a openVM by the way. vps |
| 21:27.54 | blackjack | wait this is plentiful. let me paste bin martint. |
| 21:28.39 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/h6J9Bvf2 |
| 21:28.45 | blackjack | martint, thats it. |
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| 21:29.30 | martint | blackjack, uh, what about "dpkg --list | grep amd64" |
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| 21:29.45 | martint | do you also get a whole bunch of packages listed? |
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| 21:30.36 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/ERKXYdiN |
| 21:30.42 | blackjack | yes |
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| 21:30.51 | blackjack | a whole bunch like the first |
| 21:30.52 | mumpitze1 | blackjack: you mean OpenVZ. there is no "OpenVM" |
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| 21:31.19 | blackjack | oh sorry |
| 21:31.22 | blackjack | lol yes. |
| 21:31.39 | blackjack | the other one which isnt XEN :P |
| 21:31.48 | blackjack | maybe thats more precise. lol |
| 21:31.57 | mumpitze1 | that would be kvm. OpenVZ is something totally different from both |
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| 21:32.26 | blackjack | so whats happening with my vps then? |
| 21:32.27 | blackjack | lol |
| 21:32.28 | martint | blackjack, what do you get when you do "apt-get remove --simulate libgd2-xpm" (this simulates what happens if you tried to remove libgd2-xpm |
| 21:32.30 | blackjack | is it being confused |
| 21:32.51 | blackjack | let me type it first. brb |
| 21:32.57 | martint | blackjack, no, what's happening is you have the i386 version of libgd2-xpm installed, but gnuplot-nox needs the amd64 version |
| 21:33.56 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/r89Bx6e3 |
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| 21:35.09 | blackjack | how could i just install nano and fail2ban with out this mess? :D |
| 21:35.10 | blackjack | lol |
| 21:35.26 | blackjack | those are the both programs that failed to install on apt-get |
| 21:35.35 | erai | wheezy version of libgd2-xpm is multiarch, btw |
| 21:35.39 | blackjack | but znc and irssi was ok |
| 21:35.48 | martint | blackjack, how about "apt-get remove --simulate libgd2-xpm:386" |
| 21:35.56 | blackjack | brb |
| 21:35.56 | martint | er, |
| 21:35.59 | martint | blackjack, how about "apt-get remove --simulate libgd2-xpm:i386" |
| 21:36.02 | martint | that's missing an i there |
| 21:36.34 | martint | and maybe that's not even the right invocation to try to remove the i386 version |
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| 21:37.18 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/ei3N5Xqj |
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| 21:38.08 | blackjack | how about that |
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| 21:39.30 | blackjack | hmm |
| 21:39.39 | martint | blackjack, i don't know why dpkg says you have the i386 version of libgd2-xpm installed but apt-get can't find it. i might've given you the wrong thing to type i dunno |
| 21:40.11 | blackjack | ok lol |
| 21:40.15 | blackjack | i give up for today |
| 21:40.16 | martint | in any case, do you really need gnuplot-nox? because apt-get won't let you install stuff right now because gnuplot-nox is broken (because the wrong version of libgd2-xpm is installed) |
| 21:40.16 | dvs | apt-get remove --simulate -a i386 libgd2-xpm |
| 21:40.33 | blackjack | its late now. ill continue this later. ill just sleep for now ! thanks guys :) |
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| 21:40.55 | blackjack | ok dvs wait |
| 21:42.13 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/mniDHezf |
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| 21:42.50 | dvs | oh well |
| 21:43.25 | blackjack | is this a special case of a real headache? lol |
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| 21:43.48 | martint | i don't know how dpkg and apt-get can get out of sync |
| 21:43.55 | erai | its the old apt |
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| 21:45.03 | KDank | Why can I not move files to the trash? |
| 21:45.24 | Rix | is there a way that debian can handle large amounts of packets somehow? i've filtered all udp traffic but still i get ddosed with 1-byte udp flood, most curious the bandwidth of the attacks are 5 times less than my capacity.. so i get busted by the huge number of packets, and my processor is very good and fast.. so it must be system thing? |
| 21:45.41 | KDank | access denied to /home/boss/.local/share/trash/files |
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| 21:45.44 | KDank | such and such |
| 21:45.51 | blackjack | but how come i was able to install znc and irssi here |
| 21:45.59 | blackjack | and never saw such an error before? |
| 21:46.13 | martint | how did you install znc and irssi? |
| 21:46.19 | dondelelcaro | Rix: you can drop such packets pretty easily. However, it's quite possible that it's something upstream of you which is causing the problem |
| 21:46.32 | blackjack | all in apt-get isntall (however their version of znc is quite old .2 something, its already version 1) |
| 21:46.47 | blackjack | thru apt-get martint |
| 21:46.51 | blackjack | through* |
| 21:47.00 | blackjack | apt-get install znc |
| 21:47.04 | blackjack | apt-get install irssi |
| 21:47.05 | Rix | dondelelcaro i use netfilter (iptables) to drop all udp traffic and as i see in tcpdump it is dropped but still the network is out when someone attacks with 1-byte udp packets even though the bandwidth is 5 times less |
| 21:47.27 | bugzy | KDank: possibly there from a previous install? why not sudo rm -r .local? |
| 21:47.37 | blackjack | so i was under the impression that i would be able to install fail2ban as well and nano |
| 21:47.44 | KDank | rm means..? |
| 21:47.46 | blackjack | but both install will give me same error |
| 21:47.54 | blackjack | remove |
| 21:48.13 | martint | blackjack, it's nothing to do with fail2ban and nano. your archive has a broken package (gnuplot-nox) because of missing dependencies |
| 21:48.35 | martint | blackjack, i'd just try to remove gnuplot-nox and see if anything else is broken |
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| 21:48.50 | blackjack | wanna try? |
| 21:48.52 | dondelelcaro | Rix: when this attach is happening, what is the load on the machine? If it's less than 1, you need to drop the traffic farther out |
| 21:48.58 | martint | (and the missing dependencies is because you have the i386 version of the package installed instead of the amd64 one) |
| 21:48.59 | blackjack | how do i? |
| 21:49.08 | erai | martint why not just dpkg -r libgd2-xpm:i38 |
| 21:49.22 | dondelelcaro | Rix: this is the sort of thing that your upstream network provider should be working with you to mitigate and/or fix |
| 21:49.26 | martint | erai, i don't know what he needs/doesn't need |
| 21:50.02 | blackjack | actually what i want to install now is fail2ban :D thats my need |
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| 21:50.09 | blackjack | as i found out many has attempted to break in |
| 21:50.10 | martint | blackjack, you can remove gnuplot-nox with "apt-get remove gnuplot-nox". |
| 21:50.17 | blackjack | using brute force attack on ssh |
| 21:50.20 | martint | then you see if apt-get complains about more broken packages |
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| 21:50.42 | martint | or you can do as erai says and try to remove the i386 version of libgd2-xpm and then reinstall gnuplot |
| 21:51.04 | erai | martint to list dependents apt-cache showpkg x |
| 21:51.05 | blackjack | are both ways risky?? |
| 21:51.30 | Rix | dondelelcaro thanks a lot. the cpu load is 2.5 on a eight logical core processor |
| 21:51.59 | blackjack | ooh well |
| 21:52.02 | blackjack | ill try it later |
| 21:52.04 | blackjack | thanks guys |
| 21:52.43 | Rix | during the attacks |
| 21:53.09 | martint | erai, well, that shows what's installed that needs that package... but it doesn't show what he (the user) needs. i figured he must not need gnuplot if he didn't notice that it was broken |
| 21:53.12 | KDank | no such file or directory |
| 21:53.22 | martint | er, not even what's installed, just what needs it in general |
| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | Rix: that seems a bit high |
| 21:54.02 | dondelelcaro | Rix: show us your iptables rules, please. |
| 21:54.11 | erai | martint you are right, i assumed that he needed everything that is installed |
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| 21:54.53 | Rix | dondelelcaro the iptables is very large, cause i've blocked all nets from asia south america africa and so on |
| 21:55.01 | Rix | can this cause degradation? |
| 21:55.16 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: 2.5 is a high load on an 8 core system? really? i'd think that was quite low... isn't it "basically" 2.5 divided by 8? |
| 21:55.26 | Rix | dondelelcaro http://vpsbg.eu/iptables.rules |
| 21:55.35 | Rix | as you can see very large list |
| 21:55.56 | Rix | Zyferus you are right, but load average is not always about cpu, it is also about IO |
| 21:56.13 | Rix | a system with 0% can generate 5.00+ because of iops |
| 21:56.20 | Rix | 0% cpu * |
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| 22:00.56 | Rix | i cleared the list (of course i have it saved) and only i am blocking udp traffic (without port 53), let's hope the system will sustain large amoutns of udp packets |
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| 22:02.34 | dondelelcaro | Rix: that host doesn't exist. |
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| 22:02.52 | Rix | which host dondelelcaro |
| 22:02.59 | dondelelcaro | Rix: vpsbg.eu |
| 22:03.01 | Rix | https://www.vpsbg.eu/iptables.rules |
| 22:03.07 | Rix | but it works here |
| 22:03.21 | Rix | can you paste 'host vpsbg.eu' |
| 22:03.34 | Rix | rix@server [/etc]# host vpsbg.eu |
| 22:03.34 | Rix | vpsbg.eu has address 217.174.151.130 |
| 22:03.34 | Rix | vpsbg.eu mail is handled by 1 mail.vpsbg.eu. |
| 22:03.42 | Rix | from a remote server of course |
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| 22:04.21 | abrotman | doesn't work here either |
| 22:04.38 | dondelelcaro | Rix: ns1.euchat.net isn't reachable |
| 22:04.43 | Th0masR0ss | Nor here |
| 22:04.48 | dondelelcaro | Rix: and you only one have one NS, which is broken. |
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| 22:05.50 | Rix | but i specified three... |
| 22:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Rix: but in any event, without seeing the list, I'm going to guess that you're not properly using subchains to separate out the traffic before processing it with all of the rulesets. |
| 22:06.09 | Rix | try https://217.174.151.130/iptables.rules |
| 22:06.30 | dondelelcaro | Rix: whois vpsbg.eu; will ttell you about it |
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| 22:07.49 | dondelelcaro | Rix: still not accessible. Just use a paste site. |
| 22:08.15 | Rix | dondelelcaro probably your ip is in that iptables rules :D just a second |
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| 22:09.35 | KDank | so it's not letting me delete a file... |
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| 22:10.03 | abrotman | yeah, my IP is in the rules also .. |
| 22:10.21 | Th0masR0ss | and I guess mine is too |
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| 22:10.30 | Rix | too large for pastebin, so http://speedy.sh/qyRZ2/iptables.rules dondelelcaro |
| 22:11.17 | abrotman | site also fails |
| 22:11.32 | Rix | :D sec |
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| 22:14.40 | Rix | hm |
| 22:14.49 | Rix | maybe the upstream provider did sth |
| 22:14.55 | dondelelcaro | if your rulefile really is that large, you really should be using something like ferm or similar |
| 22:15.21 | Rix | https://217.174.151.158/iptables.rules |
| 22:15.23 | dondelelcaro | (which has the advantage of handling subchains for you) |
| 22:15.24 | Rix | is this working? |
| 22:15.39 | Rix | yes the iptables are 300kb+ |
| 22:16.05 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Yeah, there's no way that's going to be fast, ever. |
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| 22:16.15 | Rix | is this link opening? i guess if it does open then it must be filter in the upstream for other ips |
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| 22:16.26 | dondelelcaro | it's working now |
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| 22:17.43 | dondelelcaro | Rix: first off, you want to be using ipset, not that monstrosity. |
| 22:17.56 | abrotman | that's awful :) |
| 22:18.15 | Rix | :D thanks a lot i removed all and put just for udp |
| 22:18.32 | Rix | so you think it is possible to ddos a server with such large ruleset just with many packets |
| 22:18.39 | dondelelcaro | Absolutely. |
| 22:18.42 | abrotman | have you called your ISP yet? |
| 22:18.46 | Rix | yes i did |
| 22:18.57 | Rix | but ips were spoofed |
| 22:19.01 | Rix | so they did nothing |
| 22:20.09 | Rix | thanks a lot :) |
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| 22:23.23 | sebastian__ | i need some good tutorial |
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| 23:56.07 | anon_ | hi |
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| 23:58.39 | anon_ | with a clean install of Wheezy I should remove wheezy-updates from my sources? |
| 23:59.06 | zaltekk | why would you do that? |
| 23:59.17 | anon_ | because it is confusing |
| 23:59.25 | anon_ | # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
