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| 00:00.17 | anon_ | also my Xfce is at 4.8, instead of 4.10, and Wheezy is at 7.0 instead of 7.1 |
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| 00:01.28 | Vicissitude | anon_, I'm using wheezy (7.1) and my xfce is 4.8 too |
| 00:01.32 | anon_ | and because this person here has only 4 source lines and I have 6 http://www.garron.me/en/linux/upgrade-debian-squeeze-wheezy-6.0-7.0.html |
| 00:02.13 | anon_ | ah yes now that you put it that way I feel stupid lol 4.8 is after 4.10 |
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| 00:03.10 | Vicissitude | no, 4.10 is after 4.8. |
| 00:03.44 | anon_ | :) |
| 00:03.59 | Vicissitude | it's weird but it works apparently :) |
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| 00:04.59 | zaltekk | because it isn't a decimal number |
| 00:05.09 | zaltekk | the dot is dividing different aspects of the versioning number |
| 00:05.13 | zaltekk | major.minor.patch |
| 00:05.21 | zaltekk | major version 4, minor version 10 |
| 00:05.28 | zaltekk | is hiher than major version 4, minor version 8 |
| 00:05.35 | zaltekk | higher* |
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| 00:06.34 | anon_ | changes from 4.8 to 4.10? |
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| 00:10.47 | anon_ | can I at least get a link on understanding sources and Debian versions? |
| 00:10.52 | anon_ | if I beg? |
| 00:11.00 | dondelelcaro | anon_: what in particular do you want to know about them? |
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| 00:12.57 | anon_ | dondelelcaro, I want to know how to edit them to get Debian 7.1 |
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| 00:13.05 | dondelelcaro | anon_: the precise definition of it is explained here, but that may not be useful for whatever you are asking: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 00:13.38 | anon_ | ya that won't help |
| 00:13.55 | dondelelcaro | anon_: oh; for that, you just keep the standard wheezy entry in your sources.list, and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
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| 00:14.02 | dondelelcaro | anon_: and viola, you'll have wheezy 7.1 |
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| 00:15.55 | anon_ | ah ok, it shows 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:16.09 | dondelelcaro | then that's it; not much changes in point releases |
| 00:16.10 | anon_ | does that mean I have 7.1? I don't know how to check my version |
| 00:16.39 | dondelelcaro | anon_: yes. |
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| 00:20.12 | anon_ | oh ok I need Debian Jessie for Xfce 4.10? |
| 00:20.50 | scootypuff | when i add a line to sources.list how do i get rid of the 'no public key' warning whenever i update? |
| 00:21.33 | zykotick9 | scootypuff: i take it, this isn't a debian repo? the answer is, add the key. |
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| 00:23.17 | anon_ | brb |
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| 00:27.14 | anonnumberanon | clear |
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| 00:29.41 | nsgn | goodeve. feeling somewhat like a moron here. what on earth is the command to get to that blue and red text only screen for setting up network interfaces? |
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| 00:30.45 | abrotman | nsgn: man interfaces |
| 00:31.44 | nsgn | abrotman, i'm rather familiar. already have things set up that way just looking for that tool i thought i had used in the past for being able to easily check the settings of more than one card, change default gateway, see DNS, etc |
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| 01:08.31 | HelenaKitty | I want to know why the debian repos don't distribute the example config with mocp. Here is a quote I pulled from mocp's man page. |
| 01:08.39 | HelenaKitty | " |
| 01:08.41 | HelenaKitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.43 | HelenaKitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.45 | HelenaKitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.47 | HelenaKitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.49 | HelenaKitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.51 | HelenaKitty | " |
| 01:08.53 | HelenaKitty | Woops I didn't mean for the multiple lines. |
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| 01:13.25 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, where can I get the source code for apt-get? |
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| 01:14.47 | transfinite | Ephexeve: apt-get source apt |
| 01:15.44 | Ephexeve | cool, it would install automaticaly wont it? |
| 01:15.47 | Ephexeve | I just want to read the source |
| 01:15.56 | Ephexeve | also, where will it save? in my current dir? |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | try it and see ... |
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| 01:28.40 | blackjack | martint: you there bro? |
| 01:29.02 | martint | blackjack, hello |
| 01:29.11 | blackjack | can we continue my problem |
| 01:29.22 | blackjack | lol. what shall we must do. |
| 01:29.31 | blackjack | uninstall who between the two |
| 01:29.51 | martint | blackjack, well do you use gnuplot? and do you know if anything uses libgd2-xpm:i386? |
| 01:29.59 | blackjack | <martint> blackjack, you can remove gnuplot-nox with "apt-get remove gnuplot-nox". | <martint> or you can do as erai says and try to remove the i386 version of libgd2-xpm and then reinstall gnuplot |
| 01:30.06 | martint | if you don't know what either are, i'd say you don't use gnuplot |
| 01:30.12 | martint | since you didn't even notice it didn't work |
| 01:30.17 | blackjack | no |
| 01:30.21 | blackjack | none |
| 01:30.44 | martint | well, try "apt-get remove gnuplot-nox" |
| 01:30.58 | blackjack | i dont know why they are installed, maybe because i issued the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:31.03 | blackjack | ok |
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| 01:32.59 | blackjack | errr i used my limit in pastebin |
| 01:32.59 | blackjack | wait |
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| 01:34.20 | martint | you can /query me with the output |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | don't go to msg |
| 01:35.26 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093084 |
| 01:35.46 | blackjack | unable to locate |
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| 01:36.10 | abrotman | seriously ... |
| 01:36.14 | martint | it's gnuplot and not gnuplox |
| 01:36.18 | martint | gnuplot-nox |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | blackjack: try reading what people tell you to do .. don't just make stuff up |
| 01:36.26 | blackjack | lol ok |
| 01:36.46 | blackjack | sorry my eyes |
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| 01:37.42 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093090 |
| 01:39.10 | blackjack | errr i copied again the first error pastie |
| 01:39.38 | blackjack | there is again unmet dependencies |
| 01:39.47 | martint | uninstall gnuplot too |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | or just fix it correctly .. |
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| 01:40.54 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093101 |
| 01:41.07 | martint | abrotman, i think he might have to do that eventually, but he doesn't know why he has the i386 lib installed, so maybe not yet |
| 01:41.12 | blackjack | abrotman: we are trying to fix it. Its just i needed assistance. |
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| 01:42.34 | blackjack | i hope not that the OS is totally damage yet? |
| 01:42.40 | blackjack | maybe it can still be fixed |
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| 01:45.15 | martint | it's not totally damaged, it's not even damaged. you just have a weird set of packages installed |
| 01:45.40 | martint | do you know why you have the i386 version of libgd2-xpm installed when the rest of your system is amd64? |
| 01:46.25 | blackjack | i really dont know. but the truth is. i ordered this vps, by default it was centos |
| 01:46.46 | blackjack | then i sent a ticket to make a change of OS too the latest Debian 7 |
| 01:46.48 | blackjack | and they did |
| 01:46.53 | blackjack | maybe they are the ones wrong |
| 01:47.34 | blackjack | and i did the "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" thing |
| 01:47.43 | blackjack | just to check everything is okay |
| 01:47.47 | erai | holdon |
| 01:47.48 | blackjack | and it went well w/o errors |
| 01:47.57 | blackjack | then i was able to download znc and irssi |
| 01:47.59 | blackjack | and nmap |
| 01:48.18 | erai | it looks like you still need gnuplot for libsvm |
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| 01:48.48 | blackjack | actually its weird. now i cant run my nmap :/ |
| 01:49.04 | blackjack | nmap: error while loading shared libraries: libblas.so.3gf: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:50.13 | martint | yeah, so maybe you should reinstall gnuplot instead |
| 01:50.27 | martint | but to do that you'd have to remove libgd2-xpm:i386 instead |
| 01:50.44 | blackjack | ok how to proceed? |
| 01:52.03 | erai | #apt-get install gnuplot-nox gnuplot |
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| 01:52.52 | blackjack | okay erai |
| 01:53.13 | martint | it will probably complain about not being able to install libgd2-xpm because the i386 version is already installed |
| 01:53.26 | blackjack | erai but martint said i need to remove libgd2-xpm:i386 first |
| 01:53.31 | erai | martint shouldnt it ask to remove that package? |
| 01:53.35 | martint | try what erai says first |
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| 01:54.45 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093122 |
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| 01:55.33 | blackjack | those two problems again |
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| 01:55.48 | grubles | hello |
| 01:55.55 | grubles | proud user of 7 here |
| 01:56.06 | martint | blackjack, yeah this is exactly where you were at the very start |
| 01:56.07 | blackjack | how was it for you using 7? |
| 01:56.25 | grubles | to clarify: I meant debian 7 |
| 01:56.29 | erai | blackjack: dpkg -r libgd2-xpm:i386 |
| 01:56.29 | grubles | not windows 7 |
| 01:56.42 | blackjack | ok erai. brb |
| 01:57.48 | martint | i wonder if it's a dependency of some 3rd party software his vps installed for him? or just something he randomly installed without knowing. because it's very hard to install anything i386 on a amd64 system by default |
| 01:57.51 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093126 |
| 01:58.11 | erai | arg |
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| 01:58.57 | blackjack | it did not remove |
| 01:58.58 | erai | grab a more up-to-date version of libgd2-xpm |
| 01:59.05 | erai | the multiarch one |
| 01:59.09 | blackjack | how |
| 01:59.15 | erai | and install it using dpkg |
| 01:59.16 | blackjack | apt-get again? |
| 01:59.21 | blackjack | hmm |
| 01:59.32 | erai | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libgd2-xpm |
| 01:59.44 | blackjack | via wget? |
| 01:59.58 | erai | 1 sec |
| 02:00.14 | erai | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgd2/libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1_amd64.deb |
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| 02:00.20 | erai | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgd2/libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1_i386.deb |
| 02:00.46 | blackjack | which one? |
| 02:00.50 | erai | both |
| 02:01.00 | blackjack | wget both? |
| 02:01.01 | erai | installing them should allow you to get gnuplot back |
| 02:01.04 | erai | yep |
| 02:01.33 | erai | then "dpkg -i" them |
| 02:02.18 | erai | martint: is there an easier way to do this with apt? |
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| 02:02.38 | martint | erai, i don't think so, but i am unsure |
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| 02:03.43 | martint | erai, i don't even know why his apt-get didn't see see his i386 version but his dpkg did, so i can only conclude i don't know how to use apt-get or he has an old version that's not multiarch |
| 02:04.11 | erai | martint yep he was on squeeze |
| 02:04.21 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093143 |
| 02:04.30 | blackjack | i installed one |
| 02:04.33 | blackjack | thats the result |
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| 02:04.53 | erai | now apt-get -f install |
| 02:04.56 | erai | should resolve all that |
| 02:05.24 | blackjack | but erai, i just installed the first file |
| 02:05.32 | blackjack | i should apt-get -f install now? |
| 02:05.46 | erai | install both of them first |
| 02:05.51 | blackjack | ok. wait |
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| 02:08.10 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093151 |
| 02:08.26 | blackjack | i still havent made "apt-get -f install" |
| 02:08.31 | blackjack | should i do it still? |
| 02:08.49 | erai | first |
| 02:09.10 | blackjack | what erai? |
| 02:09.13 | erai | try "dpkg --force-architecture -i ..." |
| 02:09.20 | blackjack | okay wait |
| 02:10.06 | erai | its like multiarch was disabled or something? |
| 02:10.09 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093155 |
| 02:10.29 | erai | i meant ... the i386 package |
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| 02:10.33 | blackjack | errr |
| 02:10.38 | blackjack | sorry |
| 02:11.21 | blackjack | "dpkg --force-architecture -i libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1_i386.deb" <-- is this what you mean? |
| 02:11.41 | erai | yes |
| 02:12.36 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093162 |
| 02:13.59 | erai | hmmmm, "apt-get -f install" |
| 02:16.01 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093169 |
| 02:16.50 | blackjack | :( |
| 02:17.00 | blackjack | looks like so many errors |
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| 02:17.06 | martint | do you know if you have anything that even needs those i386 packages? |
| 02:17.46 | erai | it looks like multiarch needs to be enabled |
| 02:17.47 | erai | or |
| 02:18.02 | erai | you did do apt-get update |
| 02:18.07 | erai | many times... |
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| 02:18.22 | blackjack | not really many |
| 02:18.38 | blackjack | but i just see to it thats its always complete |
| 02:19.21 | blackjack | sorry for stressing you guys out here :) |
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| 02:20.12 | martint | does he need to do dpkg --add-architecture? |
| 02:20.13 | erai | paste output of "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 02:20.27 | erai | martint i think he does |
| 02:20.48 | blackjack | amd64 |
| 02:21.07 | martint | now try "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 02:21.08 | blackjack | only that |
| 02:21.12 | martint | and see what that prints |
| 02:21.34 | blackjack | nothing |
| 02:21.38 | blackjack | it did nothing. no output |
| 02:21.46 | martint | ok, do dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 02:22.09 | blackjack | it also did nothing |
| 02:22.15 | erai | martint how does he have i386 packages XD |
| 02:22.17 | blackjack | same as the first one |
| 02:22.17 | martint | and then try the whole apt-get update and apt-get -f install etc etc |
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| 02:22.39 | martint | blackjack, when you do dpkg --print-foreign-architectures now does it print i386? |
| 02:22.49 | blackjack | nothing |
| 02:22.53 | blackjack | no print at all |
| 02:23.03 | blackjack | its just like i enter to the next line |
| 02:23.17 | blackjack | theres no even a error message |
| 02:23.47 | blackjack | root@blackjack:~# dpkg --print-architecture |
| 02:23.47 | blackjack | amd64 |
| 02:23.47 | blackjack | root@blackjack:~# dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 02:23.47 | blackjack | root@blackjack:~# dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 02:23.47 | blackjack | root@blackjack:~# |
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| 02:23.59 | grubles | pastebin ftw |
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| 02:24.11 | blackjack | sorry i forgot -.- |
| 02:24.36 | martint | so after you added i386 when you do dpkg --print-foreign-architectures you still get nothing? |
| 02:24.56 | blackjack | did i add it already? |
| 02:25.12 | blackjack | umm |
| 02:25.14 | martint | you just added it, but you didn't say if you tried to print-foreign-architecture again |
| 02:25.22 | martint | when you add it you don't get any output |
| 02:25.28 | blackjack | yes |
| 02:25.31 | blackjack | no out put too |
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| 02:26.13 | blackjack | if i do not need it. why cant i just delete it off? |
| 02:26.19 | blackjack | so that i dont have error like this. hm |
| 02:26.29 | martint | yes that is what i'm thinking too. but you don't know if you need it or not |
| 02:27.28 | blackjack | very hard |
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| 02:28.36 | erai | hmmm what about your dpkg version "dpkg --versuib'" |
| 02:28.40 | erai | oops typo |
| 02:28.46 | erai | "dpkg --version" |
| 02:28.51 | erai | sorry |
| 02:29.03 | blackjack | wait |
| 02:29.26 | blackjack | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.16.10 (amd64). |
| 02:29.27 | OptimizedCoder | I need help updating the system time |
| 02:29.36 | OptimizedCoder | I'm on PST |
| 02:29.42 | OptimizedCoder | timezone is set properly as Americas/Los_Angeles, however what ever I do the damn clock is set at UTC time |
| 02:29.51 | blackjack | i did not paste everythign. thats the important line |
| 02:30.00 | erai | yes |
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| 02:31.16 | erai | blackjack: i really don't understand why --add-architecture didn't work |
| 02:31.49 | blackjack | hmmm |
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| 02:31.56 | martint | blackjack, what do you get for "cat /var/lib/dpkg/arch" |
| 02:32.15 | blackjack | maybe thats the reason why. Most of the vps i see when i see their selection, only debian 5 and 6 |
| 02:32.17 | blackjack | no 7 |
| 02:32.24 | blackjack | maybe theres an existing problem? hehe |
| 02:32.58 | blackjack | wait martint brb |
| 02:33.29 | blackjack | amd64 |
| 02:33.29 | blackjack | i386 |
| 02:33.42 | erai | so add-arch did work |
| 02:34.23 | blackjack | it added i386 yes |
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| 02:35.15 | erai | blackjack: do "apt-get update" and "apt-get -f install" |
| 02:35.21 | blackjack | should i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade again? |
| 02:35.36 | blackjack | ok erai |
| 02:35.53 | martint | btw, blackjack, you upgraded from squeeze, right? was that squeeze 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 02:36.06 | blackjack | no martint. this is different |
| 02:36.12 | blackjack | that was a different vps. |
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| 02:36.29 | blackjack | this vps was installed by the hosting company directly as debian 7 |
| 02:36.44 | blackjack | the other i tried to upgrade from 6-7 |
| 02:36.52 | OptimizedCoder | timezone is set properly as Americas/Los_Angeles, however what ever I do the damn clock is set at UTC time. How do I get it set properly? Something I noticed : 'export TZ=PST' changes it appropriately |
| 02:36.54 | blackjack | let me do erai's instruction first. |
| 02:37.40 | martint | blackjack, i don't think they installed it properly if you have i386 packages installed but multiarch isn't even set up... |
| 02:37.42 | blackjack | it took time to download. it download many |
| 02:38.09 | blackjack | erai: should i pastebin the "apt-get update" results to you? |
| 02:38.15 | erai | OptimizedCoder: you mean to store local time in the rtc |
| 02:38.16 | blackjack | or no need |
| 02:38.22 | erai | blackjack: no need |
| 02:38.33 | blackjack | ok ill f install now |
| 02:38.49 | erai | OptimizedCoder: try "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to reconfigure the timezone |
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| 02:39.04 | OptimizedCoder | erai, uh, I thought it was discouraged to store it like that. Everywhere it says to make localtime UTC |
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| 02:39.12 | OptimizedCoder | erai, did that - no luck |
| 02:40.09 | erai | OptimizedCoder: what clock do you mean? |
| 02:40.10 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093215 |
| 02:40.21 | blackjack | result of "apt-get -f install" |
| 02:40.41 | erai | blackjack now apt-get install |
| 02:40.53 | erai | should give no errors? |
| 02:41.10 | blackjack | only "apt-get install" ? |
| 02:41.16 | erai | yes |
| 02:41.42 | blackjack | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 43 not upgraded. |
| 02:41.47 | blackjack | no errors yes |
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| 02:41.57 | erai | problem solved? |
| 02:42.33 | blackjack | so if i do apt-get update/upgrade and dist-upgrade ... i should get 0 errors now? |
| 02:42.35 | OptimizedCoder | erai, http://pastie.org/8093219 |
| 02:44.09 | erai | OptimizedCoder: so you just need to sync your clock |
| 02:44.27 | grubles | woot got my screen brightness to work finally |
| 02:44.35 | OptimizedCoder | erai, sync- how? |
| 02:44.37 | grubles | im not getting blasted by the brightness anymore |
| 02:45.13 | blackjack | .init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl |
| 02:45.26 | blackjack | it does this infinite times |
| 02:45.50 | erai | OptimizedCoder: rdate |
| 02:45.53 | blackjack | i did a "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 02:46.08 | blackjack | ok it stopped |
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| 02:47.00 | blackjack | cool Genius both of you erai and martint :) |
| 02:47.17 | blackjack | its now all fix. i installed nano w/o error. thanks. **installing fail2ban now** |
| 02:47.18 | erai | blackjack: pastebin mount |
| 02:47.23 | erai | blackjack: nvm |
| 02:47.24 | blackjack | oops |
| 02:47.35 | blackjack | i will |
| 02:47.45 | blackjack | erai, how do i pastebin my mount |
| 02:48.02 | blackjack | i dont knwo the path |
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| 02:48.10 | erai | blackjack: i mean the output of "mount" |
| 02:48.23 | blackjack | oh i type mount |
| 02:48.23 | blackjack | wait |
| 02:48.33 | erai | you shouldnt get an error for /run/initctl |
| 02:48.50 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/8093227 |
| 02:48.52 | erai | unless you are running an old kernel or somthing? |
| 02:48.59 | blackjack | im on old |
| 02:49.09 | blackjack | Linux blackjack 2.6.32-042stab076.8 #1 SMP Tue May 14 20:38:14 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:49.31 | erai | ok that explains the /run error |
| 02:50.23 | blackjack | i typed cat /run/initctl |
| 02:50.34 | blackjack | and it did nothing but im not on the command line |
| 02:50.42 | erai | careful |
| 02:50.45 | blackjack | so i did ctrl + z |
| 02:50.51 | blackjack | its still running on background |
| 02:51.40 | blackjack | why is it on running background process |
| 02:52.09 | erai | fg will get it back |
| 02:52.24 | blackjack | what do you mean? i can just leave it behind? |
| 02:52.27 | blackjack | it will die later? |
| 02:52.41 | erai | when you logout or kill the shell |
| 02:52.54 | blackjack | ok thanks |
| 02:53.10 | blackjack | ill try to install fail2ban now, as i see many login attempts |
| 02:53.11 | blackjack | brb |
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| 02:53.44 | blackjack | in auth.log |
| 02:53.59 | blackjack | and uses random login names. is it a bruteforce? |
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| 02:57.57 | blackjack | guys |
| 02:58.00 | blackjack | question |
| 02:58.15 | blackjack | What is the current default setting of fail2ban? |
| 02:58.25 | blackjack | How it will restrict login attempts |
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| 02:59.42 | OptimizedCoder | nope I need to get a good server to sync to |
| 02:59.46 | OptimizedCoder | I meant an NTP server |
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| 03:01.36 | erai | OptimizedCoder: pool.ntp.org |
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| 03:07.27 | blackjack | err erai thanks again :) |
| 03:07.38 | blackjack | i guess i am on my own now about fail2ban |
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| 03:08.46 | superstraw | blackjack: from what I understand, after 6 failed login attempts it bans the ip for a short period of time. |
| 03:08.49 | erai | blackjack: your welcome |
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| 03:09.05 | erai | blackjack: DERP i ment you're |
| 03:09.17 | superstraw | his welcome :D |
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| 03:24.14 | alberto | Hi, how to configure fonts on debian wheezy, leaving in best quality |
| 03:24.19 | alberto | ? |
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| 03:51.58 | Warp4 | so far, the debian 6 based Scrollout F1 software is pretty decent as far a despammers go :) |
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| 03:52.18 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 138: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 03:52.21 | alberto | how to solve this? |
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| 03:54.47 | jerryzhou | hi |
| 03:54.56 | jerryzhou | how to install chrome under debian |
| 03:55.15 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 03:55.15 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 138: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
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| 03:55.44 | Rusty1 | jerryzhou: aptitude install chromium-browse |
| 03:55.46 | Rusty1 | r |
| 03:58.11 | jerryzhou | E: Unable to locate package chromium-browse |
| 03:58.14 | jerryzhou | what is that |
| 03:58.24 | grubles | broswer |
| 03:58.28 | grubles | browser* |
| 03:58.33 | grubles | chromium-browser |
| 03:59.34 | Rusty1 | jerryzhou: aptitude install chromium-browser |
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| 04:00.37 | jerryzhou | OK thanks |
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| 04:13.56 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I hope this isn't too stupid of a question, but: what's the difference between "aptitude install chromium-browser" and "sudo apt-get install chromium browser"? |
| 04:15.15 | dvs | TooTinyofPantsIF: the first one will work if the user is root. The second one are for users that are set up in sudo. |
| 04:15.50 | atannus | they both work for sudoers afaik |
| 04:15.57 | TooTinyofPantsIF | dvs: thank you for clearing that up. |
| 04:16.05 | dvs | no prob |
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| 04:16.49 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 138: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 04:16.55 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 04:16.57 | dvs | TooTinyofPantsIF: oh, and apt-get and aptitude behave similiarly except the way they resolve conflicts is different |
| 04:17.02 | alberto | how the fix this problem in wheezy? |
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| 04:17.24 | alberto | hi-' |
| 04:17.28 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ dvs: also good info. Aptitude is new command line to me. |
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| 04:19.09 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ anybody: I'm trying to do another install of Wheezy. First one I didn't encrypt with LUKS. When I try to install via the CD, I always go straight to the UEFI, then GRUB, even if the boot order specifies to boot from disk first. I was told to try and use a bootable USB instead. I just got finished making the bootable USB w/Wheezy on it. Any ideas on why I'm having trouble with the CD? |
| 04:19.13 | atannus | TooTinyofPantsIF, aptitude is a frontend for apt-get. apt-get is part of a set of tools for package management, and aptitude is a higher-level client of apt-get. |
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| 04:19.43 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @atannus: wow, that's a lot of front-end for a front-end for a front-end! |
| 04:20.08 | dvs | I don't think aptitude is a front end to apt-get. They just share a database of packages. |
| 04:20.25 | atannus | well, an interface for apt-get. |
| 04:21.32 | cast | it's not an interface for apt-get either |
| 04:21.46 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 138: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 04:21.49 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ anybody: I should mention the default configuration is to boot from USB first on my motherboard. |
| 04:21.50 | alberto | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 04:21.50 | atannus | cast, then why does man say it is? |
| 04:21.53 | alberto | how the fix this problem in wheezy? |
| 04:22.15 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ alberto: I'd help if I could, but I don't have an answer. |
| 04:22.27 | atannus | alberto, don't do that. |
| 04:22.54 | cast | atannus: no it doesn't. |
| 04:23.13 | atannus | cast, yes it does. |
| 04:23.28 | atannus | "aptitude - high-level interface for the package manager." |
| 04:23.35 | cast | care to paste the line from man aptitude that says it is an interface to apt-get? |
| 04:23.43 | atannus | I just did. |
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| 04:24.32 | atannus | DESCRIPTION: *aptitude* is a text-based interface to the Debian GNU/Linux package system. |
| 04:24.37 | cast | atannus: that's not another way of saying "interface for apt-get", sorry |
| 04:24.43 | Rusty1 | they both use apt libraries , not a front end as such |
| 04:25.37 | cast | one could perhaps say aptitude and apt-get were frontends to apt |
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| 04:26.50 | atannus | Then why does the man page for apt-get say that "several front-end interfaces exist..." for it? |
| 04:26.54 | Rusty1 | cast: type: man apt , in a terminal |
| 04:27.03 | atannus | Is Debian documentation all wrong, cast? |
| 04:27.12 | atannus | Is it that unreliable? |
| 04:27.18 | atannus | redundantly wrong? |
| 04:27.39 | cast | Rusty1: ahh, nice to see i'm not wrong :) |
| 04:28.10 | cast | atannus: you're confused, though i'm ceasing to engage further with you as i have better things to do. |
| 04:28.24 | atannus | :) |
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| 04:28.40 | kristijonas | hello, i experienced dummy output error and no sound issue, reinstalled debian, the issue persists and "lspci -v" returns no sound devices; does it mean my sound card is dead?;/ |
| 04:29.40 | atannus | Oh, and by the way, man apt-get cites aptitude as one such front-end interface for apt-get. Perhaps I should file a documentation bug? |
| 04:30.08 | alberto | is possible set lenguage of gtk aplication? |
| 04:30.48 | Rusty1 | atannus: no it says that Several "front-end" interfaces exist, as well as the back-end apt-get |
| 04:31.13 | alberto | i try export LANG=pt_BR.UTF8 and execute audacious |
| 04:31.18 | alberto | but not work |
| 04:31.41 | alberto | exist other method? |
| 04:31.52 | atannus | No, it says 'Several "front-end" interfaces exist, such as dselect(1), aptitude(8), '. |
| 04:32.42 | cast | atannus: interfaces to apt, yes. i admit that's not the best worded paragraph, it does not mean aptitude is a frontend to apt-get |
| 04:32.48 | atannus | The semantics are poor. |
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| 04:33.14 | atannus | But don't tell me I'm not fucking quoting right. I'm reading the document. |
| 04:33.25 | Rusty1 | atannus: what did you need help with, inasmuch as i'm running short on time as wll |
| 04:34.07 | atannus | I don't. I was helping someone when cast began annoying me over semantics. |
| 04:34.38 | cast | i was correcting misinformation. |
| 04:35.15 | atannus | Perhaps you should correct the documentation too. |
| 04:36.10 | atannus | That way I won't me misinformed. |
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| 04:36.54 | Rusty1 | atannus: the package maintainers may be contacted about the docs. we neednt be bothered |
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| 04:38.24 | Rusty1 | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/20/apt-get-aptitude-%E2%80%A6-pick-the-right-debian-package-manager-for-you/ |
| 04:38.40 | OptimizedCoder | Guys, I have a question about samba - I do not get the 'Sharing' tab in the /DIR1 but do get them in 2,3,4, etc.. in /DIR1/DIR2/DIR3.. |
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| 04:45.12 | kristijonas | so can someone help me with my sound card? |
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| 04:47.12 | jerryzhou | chorminum canot display chinese |
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| 04:49.00 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: pastebin the output of lspci -nn and tell us what kind of PC you have |
| 04:49.11 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ everyone: I really didn't mean to start a semantics war. Sorry for the trouble. You all made good points though, and I learned more about what front-ends are in the process. |
| 04:51.46 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, http://paste.debian.net/13253/ |
| 04:52.52 | jerryzhou | why canot the chrome-browser canot display chinese |
| 04:53.10 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: then check lsusb maybe it's a usb device |
| 04:54.08 | jerryzhou | ? |
| 04:54.23 | mumpitzel | jerryzhou: chrome or chromium |
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| 04:54.34 | jerryzhou | chromium |
| 04:54.46 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, no it is not a usb device, and it worked properly till yesterday with the same version of Debian (Sqeeze). because yesterday I had no sound, i just decided to simply reinstall my os, so probably is a hardware issue. |
| 04:54.50 | jerryzhou | chinse dispaly like a square |
| 04:55.24 | mumpitzel | jerryzhou: is chromium-l10n installed? are you running your system in UTF8? |
| 04:55.57 | jerryzhou | what is chromium -l10n |
| 04:56.30 | mumpitzel | please read what I wrote |
| 04:56.38 | mumpitzel | and it's a package. you can look yourself what it does |
| 04:57.30 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, anyways, http://paste.debian.net/13255/ |
| 04:58.02 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: check BIOS then. all you can do |
| 04:58.22 | mumpitzel | linux needs the hardware to show up on the pci bus or wherever it is attached for it to make it work |
| 04:59.37 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, and if it does not show up on BIOS settings, so my card is likely to be dead then, right? |
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| 04:59.55 | mumpitzel | imho yes |
| 05:00.06 | mumpitzel | buy a SB Live 5.1 for 10$ then if you care |
| 05:01.15 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, I guess my motherboard using PCI so I could have a PCI sound card, couldn't I? |
| 05:01.27 | mumpitzel | yes. like a SB Live 5.1 |
| 05:04.15 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, could you send me the link so I don't buy wrong one? |
| 05:04.48 | mumpitzel | sblive 5.1 is usually bought used. your PC is ancient, not worth to buy a new soundcard. it's probably worth less than a new soundcard |
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| 05:07.00 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, I don't want to discuss about what's worth and what is not. I just want to get a sound card which'd work. |
| 05:07.17 | kristijonas | if technically possible. |
| 05:07.24 | mumpitzel | it is, and I told you what |
| 05:07.32 | mumpitzel | or any other linux compatible soundcard |
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| 05:09.20 | kristijonas | is there some list of sound cards that are compatible with linux? |
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| 05:25.43 | chomwitt | aloxa from Hellas. In wheezy+xfce i run a kde app and akonadi but i see no kde panel to disable akonadi. is there a related package? |
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| 05:34.56 | SARC | I am trying to compile a 32-bit binary on 64-bit installation of wheezy. How do I get the appropriate 32-bit stdlib and other packages to compile with? I have already figured out that I need the -m32 flag. |
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| 05:42.32 | mumpitzel | !tell SARC about multiarch |
| 05:42.40 | mumpitzel | SARC: libc is 32/64 by default |
| 05:43.32 | martint | chomwitt, http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Disabling_the_Akonadi_subsystem |
| 05:44.03 | martint | chomwitt, note that if you use any program that uses akonadi (kdepim, the clock, or the contact widget in krunner), then akonadi will run. so you can't use any of those |
| 05:44.39 | martint | well, the clock might be saying it wrong. i meant the event calendar feature of the clock i guess |
| 05:45.24 | SARC | mumpitzel: Thanks, once i have multiarch enabled, how do i get previously x64 packages to also pull down the x86 versions? |
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| 05:47.59 | kristijonas | mumpitzel, should this http://www.speedlink.com/?p=2&cat=27&pid=23371&paus=1 work on debian? |
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| 05:52.43 | SARC | mumpitzel: After enabling multiarch, now I am getting /bin/sh: gcc: not found error (127) |
| 05:52.43 | LtL | kristijonas: you might check the HCL here, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 05:53.47 | SARC | Do I need to apt-get install gcc:i386? |
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| 05:55.48 | kristijonas | LtL, ok, well, since I have issues with my sound card, I want to buy a new one quickly, and I found that SpeedLink USB sound card, i want to make sure it'd work on Debian before I buy it. |
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| 05:56.30 | mumpitzel | SARC: afaik gcc can build both architectures. you have installed build-essential? |
| 05:56.49 | LtL | kristijonas: USB devices are rather sketchy, i would recommend a PCI card, creative labs typically work but it all depends on the chipset |
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| 05:57.45 | SARC | mumpitzel: I have installed gcc and make but not build-essential |
| 05:57.48 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+speedlink+vigo+usb says it works |
| 05:58.01 | mumpitzel | SARC: that's your problem. compiling needs more than gcc |
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| 07:42.44 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I'm trying to create a LUKS partition over a pre-existing NON encrypted partition, and it appears to be frozen. |
| 07:42.47 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Any ideas? |
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| 07:43.19 | SARC | I am getting a /bin/sh gcc not found error. I am trying to compile an i386 app on an amd64 platform. |
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| 07:50.09 | mumpitzel | TooTinyofPantsIF: not enough randomness to initialize the partition? |
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| 07:54.02 | TooTinyofPantsIF | mumpitzel: Good point. I'll start over after writing the HDD with jibberish. Wow; I didn't even think that could be a problem. |
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| 07:58.22 | mumpitzel | TooTinyofPantsIF: that's what it currently most likely does, writing "gibberish" |
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| 08:15.21 | kaste | SARC: did you install gcc? |
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| 08:21.41 | knyl | Hello, any Debian isos which will install a desktop environment without the need for an internet connection during the install? |
| 08:23.50 | mumpitzel | yes. any "CD1" |
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| 08:29.37 | knyl | mumpitzel: it doesn't install a desktop environment without an internet connection |
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| 08:31.41 | mumpitzel | wrong |
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| 08:32.58 | mumpitzel | knyl: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.list.gz shows how CD1 contains gnome3 |
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| 08:33.57 | knyl | mumpitzel: but the installer doesn't install it |
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| 08:34.32 | mumpitzel | it does. the "desktop" task in tasksel |
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| 08:35.06 | knyl | not without an internet connection |
| 08:35.30 | mumpitzel | you are wrong. what didn't work with the firmware on the usb stick yesterday? |
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| 08:36.04 | knyl | mumpitzel: I didn't understand |
| 08:36.07 | knyl | anyway |
| 08:36.14 | knyl | I will try the Xfce CD iso |
| 08:36.39 | knyl | and hopefully it will install Xfce and I can install the firmware after it's installed |
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| 09:25.36 | kristijonas | can SM56 PCI modem be used as a sound card? |
| 09:25.51 | ectospasm | kristijonas: no |
| 09:26.17 | ectospasm | modems cannot generate arbitrary sounds |
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| 09:27.54 | kristijonas | ectospasm, why does it have have microphone and speaker slots then? |
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| 09:28.49 | ectospasm | you sure it's a modem? |
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| 09:29.36 | kristijonas | that's what lspci -nn says |
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| 09:30.05 | codesoup | there used to be combination modem/sound/multipurpose cards. i had one in the 90s. i didn't know they still made those? |
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| 09:30.17 | kristijonas | ectospasm, 03:0b.0 Communication controller [0780]: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem [11d4:1805] |
| 09:31.29 | ectospasm | kristijonas: if it is a multipurpose card, you'll probably need firmware or special drivers for it |
| 09:31.50 | jimcooncat | what program to automate xfce, or just plain x? looking for keystroke playback from a hot key. |
| 09:32.31 | ectospasm | jimcooncat: xmacroplay |
| 09:32.40 | ectospasm | I use it to great effect |
| 09:33.03 | ectospasm | the only thing xmacroplay doesn't handle well is non-ASCII UTF-8 |
| 09:33.10 | jimcooncat | ectospasm: thanks so very much! |
| 09:33.11 | kristijonas | ectospasm, how to check if it is a multipurpose one if it is where do I get special drivers? |
| 09:33.52 | ectospasm | jimcooncat: you might find the package autokey more friendly, though I haven't used it |
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| 09:34.48 | ectospasm | kristijonas: look up the PCI vendor ID (in the lspci output), search for the reported model, and hope for the best. |
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| 09:36.01 | kristijonas | ectospasm, "03:0b.0 Communication controller [0780]: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem [11d4:1805]" which of these is the vendor ID? |
| 09:36.16 | ectospasm | kristijonas: 11d4 |
| 09:36.32 | ectospasm | (1805 is the PCI model number) |
| 09:37.39 | grandie | hi, is there anyway to make synaptic use a sudo user instead of root |
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| 09:38.18 | kristijonas | ectospasm, I googled and found this: http://listing.driveragent.com/c/pci/11d4/1805/11d41805 |
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| 09:42.55 | ectospasm | kristijonas: did you tack "linux" on the end of that search? Or the beginning? |
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| 09:45.23 | kristijonas | ectospasm, i was trying to figure out if the PCI device is multipurpose, did not think operating system would matter. |
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| 10:14.31 | TestingLife | hello, which distro is the fastest for low PC with 512mb of ram and 1ghz cpu? |
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| 10:17.08 | well_laid_lawn | TestingLife: the apps you run have more impact on resource use than the distro |
| 10:17.21 | TestingLife | I see |
| 10:17.30 | TestingLife | so ubuntu vs debian about speed? |
| 10:17.45 | well_laid_lawn | e.g. firefox on any distro is resource heavy |
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| 10:19.04 | utkarshsins | Distro is not about speed. It's about packaging. |
| 10:19.58 | utkarshsins | If you want to consider speed, I would advise you to start comparing different Desktop Managers.. |
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| 10:20.20 | well_laid_lawn | or just use a window manager |
| 10:20.23 | utkarshsins | Compare Gnome, Unity, XFCE, etc. XFCE is quite light |
| 10:20.34 | well_laid_lawn | get a tiler |
| 10:21.26 | TestingLife | awesomewm is a good idea though |
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| 10:23.08 | well_laid_lawn | awesomewm is pretty heavy on resource use - or can be if you tart it up |
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| 10:30.24 | Cavil | lxde is nice too |
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| 10:30.55 | well_laid_lawn | lxde is openbox plus lots of stuff |
| 10:31.17 | well_laid_lawn | for lightweight you don't want lots of stuff |
| 10:31.26 | well_laid_lawn | get a tiler |
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| 10:48.27 | kimmaria | Hello. Is it possible to have Chromium in startup session, without popup? Im using Deb Wheezy Xfce |
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| 10:51.39 | nkuttler | kimmaria: popup? |
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| 10:51.53 | mumpitzel | he actually means "window" |
| 10:52.10 | mumpitzel | he wants to prestart chromium without any window opening. it's foolish but that's what he wants |
| 10:52.35 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 10:52.45 | kimmaria | mumpitzel exactly... because it takes to long to startup chromium the first time, after boot |
| 10:53.17 | kimmaria | second time i start chromium it popups immetidetly |
| 10:53.37 | nkuttler | kimmaria: well that's because the second time all files, libs etc are cached |
| 10:53.56 | kimmaria | nkuttler i know |
| 10:54.02 | nkuttler | is quite happy with his ssd |
| 10:54.24 | kimmaria | but if i have chromium in session, running in background. It should start faster |
| 10:54.29 | kimmaria | like "Thunar" |
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| 10:54.39 | nkuttler | kimmaria: check out the preload package, sounds like what you want |
| 10:54.41 | kimmaria | nkuttler yep... next computer will be with ssd ;;) |
| 10:54.51 | mumpitzel | starting it on bootup just makes bootup longer.it won't make it start faster |
| 10:55.01 | kimmaria | mumpitzel okey |
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| 10:55.16 | kimmaria | nkuttler you mean like "preload" or something like that? |
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| 10:57.15 | mumpitzel | kimmaria: it's a package name |
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| 11:31.07 | burek | hi all |
| 11:31.19 | burek | when will debian install isos start supporting yumi finally? |
| 11:31.34 | burek | with unetbootin it works fine, but with yumi (which is 10x better) it never works |
| 11:32.31 | burek | btw, centos, ubuntu, etc work with yumi, only debian is making problems every time :/ |
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| 11:37.13 | abrotman | burek: don't use unetbootin, it rarely works. Follow the instructions in the manual or use win32-diskimager |
| 11:37.19 | abrotman | or whatever that windows thing is called |
| 11:38.00 | burek | well with yumi i can put several ISOs on one usb stick, which is very convenient |
| 11:38.00 | abrotman | burek: as for Yumi, why doesn't it work? have you tried the wheezy isos? |
| 11:38.13 | burek | i downloaded latest debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:38.22 | abrotman | and the error is? |
| 11:38.24 | burek | and it didn't work with yumi |
| 11:38.30 | burek | cd error detection fails |
| 11:38.39 | burek | -error |
| 11:39.06 | AndreeeCZ | Hello! I have set up an ssh server and it works. But the cpu load on file transfer is 100% and the speed over lan is 2.3mbps. Would ftp be faster? |
| 11:39.08 | abrotman | burek: you can file a wishlist bug on the installer, that'd be my guess |
| 11:39.22 | burek | abrotman, that would be great, do you know the url to that page? |
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| 11:39.30 | Moe94 | Hello all |
| 11:39.35 | abrotman | burek: are you running Debian ? |
| 11:39.53 | burek | no, win |
| 11:40.07 | abrotman | burek: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 11:40.20 | burek | abrotman, thanks a lot :beer: :) |
| 11:40.34 | ectospasm | ummm |
| 11:41.04 | abrotman | burek: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
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| 11:42.22 | Moe94 | I installed a realtek RTL8191SE driver for squeeze and it isn't working. It worked perfectly before the last time I installed it |
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| 11:43.10 | musca | !RTL8191SE |
| 11:43.10 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 11:43.57 | Moe94 | !realtek firmware |
| 11:43.57 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
| 11:44.42 | abrotman | Moe94: you can msg the bot |
| 11:44.56 | abrotman | Moe94: also, why are you using squeeze instead of wheezy? |
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| 11:45.31 | Moe94 | abrotman: Isn't wheezy still in testing |
| 11:45.32 | Moe94 | :/ |
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| 11:46.58 | abrotman | Moe94: /topic |
| 11:47.08 | abrotman | the one you didn't read when you joined |
| 11:47.19 | abrotman | !tell Moe94 about firmware images |
| 11:47.56 | Moe94 | So, when I install wheezy, the firmware will work as before? |
| 11:48.10 | mumpitzel | burek: for yumi you need to use live cd. which can be used as netinst installers |
| 11:48.26 | abrotman | Moe94: see what the bot told you |
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| 12:00.20 | burek | mumpitzel, thanks, i'll try that too :) |
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| 12:16.17 | mnice | hello |
| 12:16.39 | mnice | again .. wherre can I presistently set in some link options to be used with NM ? in suse it's ETHTOOL_OPTIONS=foo (along with NM_CONTROLLED=yes) in ifcfg-eth0 |
| 12:16.46 | mnice | s/in// |
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| 12:17.37 | petn-randall | mnice: You want to statically configure an interface? Or what do you want to do? |
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| 12:18.19 | mnice | i want the iface still be used via NM but some specific link option |
| 12:18.26 | mnice | option(s) |
| 12:19.01 | mnice | with ofc .. typing too fast |
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| 12:20.58 | petn-randall | mnice: Is it a desktop machine? |
| 12:20.58 | mnice | petn-randall: are you happy with my answer .. btw, how could you conclude that I want to statically configure my iface when i need to use some nondefault link settings ? |
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| 12:22.47 | mnice | petn-randall: your Q:s are pointless because it's obvious, that you don't know answer (and probably you've never heard about ethtool) |
| 12:22.56 | mnice | :D |
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| 12:26.26 | petn-randall | mnice: I actually do know what ethtool is, and Debian is my daily bread-and-butter. But without context of what you're trying to achieve, we can only second-guess what the best way might be. |
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| 12:27.22 | babilen | mnice: You might want to look into scripting something yourself and calling it from /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/, but there might be a better way to achieve this as well. I, fortunately, never had the need to use NetworkManager and set options like this. |
| 12:27.37 | babilen | mnice: There is support fir ifup/ifdown, but then that wouldn't be NM |
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| 12:28.05 | mnice | petn-randall: i'm trying to set tso and gso off and still let the iface be managed via NM .. in suse/fedora i'd put in ifcfg-eth0 ETHTOOL_OPTIONS="tso off gso off" along with NM_CONTROLLED=yes and voila, it will work |
| 12:28.43 | mnice | these opts will be set within device/link initialization |
| 12:28.58 | mnice | and used by higher level represented now by NM |
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| 12:30.36 | mnice | babilen: thanks .. i googled and found some points to what you say but it's so ugly solution |
| 12:31.11 | mnice | petn-randall: ^^ now please prove your words about daily bread and butter man .. |
| 12:31.19 | mnice | so where should I set it ? |
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| 12:32.07 | petn-randall | didn't know we're having an e-peen contest here. |
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| 12:32.29 | doskey | I've a question, how come ccsm's took out the main repo? |
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| 12:33.02 | petn-randall | mnice: I'd set it in /etc/network/interfaces, but if you have to use network-manager (hence why I asked if you have static interfaces or not), I'd set it in /etc/rc.local. |
| 12:33.25 | mnice | yes, that's my case |
| 12:34.05 | mnice | petn-randall: JFYI, i'm suse/fedora guy and unfortunatelly considered as linux expert and the friend of mine callms my help with his workstation |
| 12:34.11 | mnice | that's why i don't know |
| 12:34.27 | mnice | i really don't use debian since say mid 70's :P |
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| 12:35.53 | petn-randall | doskey: In which release was it in? |
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| 12:36.53 | mnice | it works way too different - i mean etc/network/interfaces to ifup-foo .. it's either handled by NM skipping all in there or just not using NM .. |
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| 12:40.55 | petn-randall | doskey: If it got dropped from a release, it's probably because it has had release-critical errors for quite a while. |
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| 12:42.01 | knyl | hi, there is a bug in the Debian installer for both jessie and wheezy |
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| 12:42.36 | knyl | at the end, when it gets to "Gathering information for the installation report" is just hangs there, if you don't connect to a network in the installer |
| 12:42.39 | babilen | mnice: I am not sure why you consider adding scripts to the dispatcher to be an ugly solution, but AFAICT that is the way NetworkManager would handle this. |
| 12:42.50 | knyl | meaning, at the end of the install you have to manually reboot using the console |
| 12:43.18 | knyl | This is the bug I'm talking about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/173749 |
| 12:43.39 | abrotman | knyl: did you search the Debian bts? Did you let it timeout? |
| 12:43.50 | babilen | mnice: But then, if you have static connections anyway you could just use /etc/network/interfaces and hook into /etc/network/if-*.d/ or respective commands in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:44.00 | knyl | abrotman: yeah, it hangs infinitely |
| 12:44.08 | abrotman | how long did you wait? |
| 12:44.14 | knyl | an hour |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | ensure there is a bug filed for Debian |
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| 12:44.38 | knyl | I can't find one |
| 12:44.46 | abrotman | so file one for you |
| 12:44.48 | abrotman | for it |
| 12:45.00 | knyl | a quick Google search suggests no one else is experiencing this |
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| 12:45.08 | knyl | abrotman: Where do I report it? |
| 12:45.15 | abrotman | !tell knyl about reportbug |
| 12:45.20 | knyl | thanks, I will |
| 12:45.23 | abrotman | knyl: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
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| 12:46.17 | babilen | knyl: Please also take a look at tty4 (ALT-F4) for relevant errors -- Anything that might explain the current behaviour? |
| 12:46.31 | knyl | babilen: I looked in there, nothing... |
| 12:47.11 | knyl | From what you can remember, does the "Gathering information for the installation report" take a long time for you when installing? |
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| 12:48.30 | babilen | knyl: AFAIK nobody complained about that behaviour before and the fact that there nobody filed that bug is also a string indication that this is an unusual problem. Can you reproduce it reliably or did this "just" happen once? (not to say that it should *ever* happen) |
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| 12:48.54 | knyl | babilen: every time I've installed Debian on my machine, this happens |
| 12:49.08 | knyl | I've done it about 6 times btw :) |
| 12:49.08 | babilen | knyl: No, that doesn't take long at all. It might also be that the "Gathering information for the installation report" and that the installer simply couldn't initiate the next step for some reason. |
| 12:49.13 | C4709 | can somebody help me with iptables ? when I execute my iptables rules http://pastebin.com/32VNu7Df it gives me unknown option "INPUT" error . Can somebody tell me where I am doing it wrong ? |
| 12:50.12 | babilen | knyl: Yeah, definitely file it. You might want to pop into #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and ask what additional information they might need to troubleshoot this problem. Sorry about this, but it seems to be quite a rare problem that might be specific to your hardware (or something like that) |
| 12:50.37 | babilen | C4709: There is the wonderful ##netfilter channel for everything iptables |
| 12:50.42 | CableNinja | C4709: -m tcp -p tcp |
| 12:50.46 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 12:50.47 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:50.47 | CableNinja | instead of just -p tcp |
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| 12:54.11 | petn-randall | C4709: Change the shebang to '#!/bin/bash -x' and see which line gives you the error. |
| 12:54.48 | catsup | anyone know how to decrease xorriso verbosity? my searches of the huge man page yield nothing. (unless i use -as mkisofs, which i can't) |
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| 12:57.00 | catsup | nevermind, i found it. it's -report_about severity |
| 12:57.51 | knyl | babilen: reported |
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| 12:59.32 | babilen | knyl: thanks |
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| 12:59.52 | C4709 | Thanks petn-randall solves my problem . I forgt to mention that lo is a interface (-i lo) in third rule |
| 13:00.14 | knyl | babilen: Do the devs reply via e-mail or not reply? |
| 13:00.39 | petn-randall | knyl: They usually reply via e-mail. Give it a few days. |
| 13:00.47 | knyl | okay |
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| 13:02.30 | babilen | knyl: Well, I mentioned earlier where you can find them to ask your questions directly. Replies/Inquiries to bug reports are done via mail. |
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| 13:03.10 | babilen | knyl: I would IMHO still have been a good idea to ask them before filing the report what kind of information they need to troubleshoot your problem ;-D |
| 13:03.35 | knyl | yeah |
| 13:03.38 | knyl | I might ask them now |
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| 13:20.47 | Quix86 | http://pastebin.com/8CCA6SmZ did my SD card die? |
| 13:20.57 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 13:20.58 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:21.17 | Quix86 | ponce |
| 13:21.36 | babilen | It's okay, no need to repaste it now but something to keep in mind for the next time. |
| 13:22.04 | Quix86 | I've got no reason to come in here if I get bot messages spammed at me every time. That's what #ubuntu is for |
| 13:22.23 | Th0masR0ss | lol |
| 13:22.23 | Quix86 | FWIW I see no ads, have no formatting issues, and didn't have to put in a captcha |
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| 13:22.44 | abrotman | Quix86: what's your current kernel? |
| 13:22.53 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 13:23.05 | Quix86 | 3.5.0 |
| 13:23.09 | abrotman | uname -r |
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| 13:23.40 | abrotman | waits for Quix86 to give the actual answer |
| 13:23.52 | Quix86 | 34 generic |
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| 13:24.10 | Quix86 | god damn I forgot how unpleasant IRC is |
| 13:24.17 | abrotman | Quix86: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu questions, have a nice day |
| 13:24.31 | Quix86 | <Quix86> I've got no reason to come in here if I get bot messages spammed at me every time. That's what #ubuntu is for |
| 13:24.40 | Quix86 | if I go in there it'll just be |
| 13:24.48 | Quix86 | !ubottu SD |
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| 13:24.51 | abrotman | that's not our problem, perhaps try ##linux |
| 13:24.53 | Quix86 | !ubottu dmesg |
| 13:25.06 | Quix86 | ##linux is -the worst- channel on this server |
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| 13:25.23 | abrotman | Quix86: this channel does not support Ubuntu, please use #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 13:46.17 | vad | Does dpkg-query offer a field for installation time of a package? |
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| 13:47.17 | abrotman | there are package manager logs |
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| 13:55.25 | asadpakistani1 | I have a crawler script running for two days using PHP CLI.... I did not want it to get killed so I ran... "pgrep -f php | while read PID; do echo -17 > /proc/$PID/oom_adj; done" ... I am running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server on amazon EC2 ... My question is that some people on the internet are saying i should use com_oom_adj instead of oom_adj...should I Re-run the command or just leave it alone...The crawler is 40% done and has comsum |
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| 14:03.37 | xomrk | hi how i can check on debian if turbo mode works? |
| 14:03.44 | xomrk | on cpu |
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| 14:04.06 | abrotman | turbo mode? like a 486? |
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| 14:04.15 | merethan | Hi all |
| 14:04.55 | xomrk | i got core i5 2.6ghz - 3.2ghz but i see my core have now 1200 mhz |
| 14:05.02 | apm1 | seeing an i486 being mentioned makes my heart skip a bear |
| 14:05.04 | xomrk | i saw max 2600 mhz |
| 14:05.06 | apm1 | *beat |
| 14:05.10 | xomrk | but never more than that |
| 14:05.14 | mumpitzel | abrotman: turboboost. no, not 488 (which had no turbomode, only a "disable cache" mode) |
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| 14:05.26 | abrotman | apm1: because you've never used one? |
| 14:05.30 | apm1 | xomrk, its probably because of power managment |
| 14:05.36 | apm1 | abrotman, yes |
| 14:05.41 | vad | xomrk: https://plus.google.com/114657443111661859546/posts/dLn9T4ehywL |
| 14:05.43 | mumpitzel | xomrk: run a single thread at full load, e.g. burnP6 |
| 14:06.23 | apm1 | seriously clock speed is the last thing you need to give a shit abt |
| 14:06.42 | apm1 | it is ireelavent to the actual power your cpu has |
| 14:06.56 | moof2 | well it's a coefficient thereof |
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| 14:07.34 | apm1 | yes but it is also a variable that means a lot of things i.e effects and is effected by a lot of things |
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| 14:07.58 | apm1 | and not always means faster clock speed = faster processor |
| 14:08.03 | merethan | Twitter dropped their API v1 in favor of their v1.1 API. All clients I have found in Wheezy stopped working. Since packages only receive security updates I'd say they have become exaclty useless and nothing more than waste of disk space. Is services changing their protocol a reason for allowing new versions of clients into the repositories? |
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| 14:08.39 | apm1 | an i3 2.6ghz is nowhere as fast as an i7 2.6ghz |
| 14:08.53 | apm1 | yet the clock speeds are the same and the number of cores are same |
| 14:09.10 | apm1 | so clockspeed matters to shit |
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| 14:09.30 | merethan | Aren't i3-i7 just marketing labels? |
| 14:09.42 | apm1 | merethan, no they are dif classes |
| 14:09.57 | abrotman | merethan: file bugs |
| 14:09.59 | moof2 | of course... it's what they label that you would compare |
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| 14:10.12 | mumpitzel | apm1: clockspeed matters a lot |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | look at SPEC scores if you really care |
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| 14:10.37 | apm1 | abrotman, ++ |
| 14:10.55 | apm1 | mumpitzel, not in the instance i stated |
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| 14:11.02 | merethan | I believe i3, i5 and i7 are marketing labels to class a CPU on clock. Same silicon designs on the same waver differ in quality. |
| 14:11.13 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 14:11.17 | apm1 | merethan, NO! |
| 14:11.40 | canolucas | hi. i've set up a vnc-server (vnc4server) in one of my debian virtual machines. this VM has just the defaults from the TTY installer of the stable version (downloaded today). so now right to the problem: whenever i connect to this machine using a VNC client, the desktop looks like if i were on plain X. no icons, no desktop, no nothing (i only see a terminal window). only the WM seems to work. it looks like i'm unable to use gnome-shell (i know that o |
| 14:11.40 | canolucas | n gnome3, the permissions and keyrings got more complex, so maybe i need to allow some permissions to use gnome-shell remotely?). what am i missing? thanks a lot |
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| 14:11.50 | apm1 | look at the benchmarks they'll tell you merethan |
| 14:11.52 | merethan | If you get an i3 of the same arch as an i7, and manage to overclock it you get the same performance. |
| 14:11.52 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:11.54 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:12.23 | mumpitzel | canolucas: gnome uses hardware 3D acceleration. vnc4server doesn't provide it |
| 14:12.25 | apm1 | merethan, i bet you a buck if it won't be anywhere as stable as an i7 |
| 14:12.34 | merethan | i3 and i7 are born on the same silicon wafers. |
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| 14:12.47 | merethan | Oh yes it won't be as stable |
| 14:12.49 | merethan | sure |
| 14:12.53 | apm1 | yes but they are constructed differently |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | merethan: #debian-offtopic, please |
| 14:12.55 | mumpitzel | apm1, merethan: please take it to #hardware |
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| 14:13.11 | merethan | nvm |
| 14:13.12 | apm1 | merethan, hence it is useless to me |
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| 14:13.57 | canolucas | mumpitzel, can it be handled in a different way (use gnome-fallback or something?). or instead, do i need to just change to another vnc server? |
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| 14:14.49 | merethan | abrotman, that's not really an answer. Are packages ever upgraded (i.e. new versions from upstream) if the service they use changes their protocol? If that's agains debian rules there's no need for filing bugs, as it's not gonna happen anyway. |
| 14:14.49 | eregus | hi, I wanted to install infinality with this manual: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1153268-installing-infinality-freetypefontconfig-in-debian-7/ |
| 14:14.59 | abrotman | merethan: they can be, hence filing a bug |
| 14:15.01 | eregus | I have a problem with creating freetype-infinality package: |
| 14:15.24 | eregus | dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
| 14:15.26 | eregus | debuild: fatal error at line 1357: |
| 14:15.28 | eregus | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc -b failed |
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| 14:16.59 | monod | debian is making me struggle :( |
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| 14:17.16 | monod | I've changed from squeeze to jessie, the current testing version |
| 14:17.26 | monod | I tried a apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:17.32 | moof2 | eregus, that's reporting an error that occurred before that, can you find the actual error? |
| 14:17.52 | KdgDev | my apt-get upgrade is telling me a package has been kept back |
| 14:18.00 | KdgDev | namely: xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 14:18.01 | eregus | here's full output: http://pastebin.com/pjKyxt9F |
| 14:18.02 | KdgDev | what's that all about? |
| 14:18.09 | monod | now there are two problems: 1)Preferences and Administration menus disappeared 2)apt-get cannot update because of "mime-support" |
| 14:18.11 | eregus | that's only the end of it |
| 14:18.11 | moof2 | monod, in one shot? so you didn't read the release notes... you should go one at a time. you should restore from your backup and try again |
| 14:18.42 | monod | moof2, I don't know this things :( I'm new to linux... |
| 14:18.45 | monod | these* |
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| 14:19.17 | moof2 | monod, so it's going to take some time... |
| 14:19.29 | moof2 | see if apt-get -f install wants to do something |
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| 14:20.18 | monod | impossible to get a unique block |
| 14:20.23 | monod | moof2, ^ |
| 14:20.26 | moof2 | while that's running, what do you see linux/debian doing for you? |
| 14:20.44 | moof2 | unique block? never seen that message |
| 14:20.51 | monod | wait, I've translated from ita to en |
| 14:21.04 | monod | "another process may be keeping it busy" |
| 14:21.06 | monod | something like this |
| 14:21.24 | monod | /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 14:21.53 | moof2 | run it again, and put this first: LC_ALL=C (then put the command here) |
| 14:22.08 | monod | O_O okay |
| 14:22.15 | monod | can you explain it to me after? :D |
| 14:22.36 | monod | oh, I now see |
| 14:22.39 | monod | it's in english now |
| 14:22.40 | moof2 | it's setting the language the error messages will be expressed in |
| 14:22.44 | monod | thanks |
| 14:22.49 | monod | now I can paste them to you |
| 14:23.02 | monod | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 14:23.02 | monod | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 14:23.08 | monod | sorry for double-lines |
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| 14:23.24 | moof2 | ok, first are you root when you run this? |
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| 14:23.29 | monod | of course |
| 14:23.53 | moof2 | do you have anything like aptitude or synaptic running? |
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| 14:24.09 | monod | there IS an icon on the top-right panel |
| 14:24.14 | monod | with an engine (?) |
| 14:24.18 | monod | and it is orange |
| 14:24.25 | monod | but I cannot quit it! |
| 14:24.32 | moof2 | not sure what that would be |
| 14:24.34 | monod | it's the update manager |
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| 14:24.41 | wjtaylor | Is there a way to launch a gui application in a specific workspace from the CL? |
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| 14:24.49 | moof2 | oh, maybe that is monopolizing the lock |
| 14:24.57 | monod | is what I though too, moof2 |
| 14:25.05 | monod | thought* |
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| 14:28.04 | monod | ..so? |
| 14:28.35 | monod | I've killed the notifier |
| 14:28.38 | monod | with SIGTERM |
| 14:28.50 | monod | ..and again with that error message |
| 14:29.10 | moof2 | are you sure it's gone? |
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| 14:29.20 | monod | yeah, htop confirms |
| 14:29.42 | moof2 | ok (btw, you know a bit more than you're saying) |
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| 14:30.09 | monod | I can't say my entire story everytime I enter, that's the point... I would really like to tell it, but it would be long |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | monod: if oyu read the docs, you can disable it |
| 14:30.20 | monod | yes, I have some experience, but just "some" |
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| 14:30.42 | monod | what are you saying I should disable? abrotman |
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| 14:32.57 | moof2 | I wouldn't know specifically how to disable it (the notifier) |
| 14:33.08 | monod | I don't even need to honestly |
| 14:33.23 | monod | and, there's a check when right-clicking it that says "disable notifier" |
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| 14:33.39 | monod | so, that's not the problem: the problem is that I still can't update nor upgrade |
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| 14:34.28 | moof2 | so that would be it... but then the question becomes: is it the notifier that is holding the lock? |
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| 14:35.16 | monod | seems it is not |
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| 14:35.30 | monod | since even after stopping it, I can't get the lock free |
| 14:36.03 | moof2 | there's a dir /run which is new, and is where some lock files are stored... |
| 14:36.49 | monod | checking it out... |
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| 14:37.02 | monod | "No such file or dir" |
| 14:37.21 | monod | can't see my own emssages |
| 14:37.22 | monod | oh |
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| 14:37.31 | monod | now I do: I said "/run ?" |
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| 14:38.42 | monod | it's really a struggle with Debian these times... |
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| 14:39.22 | moof2 | monod, you can try ls /run |
| 14:39.27 | moof2 | to see what's in there |
| 14:39.53 | moof2 | also, you can check if it's mounted: mount | grep /run |
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| 14:40.09 | monod | it's a pity, would you suggest me to back to ubuntu for a while, until I don't become more aquaintaced with linux? or would you suggest another distro for me? there's no /run folder, looking if it's mounted now |
| 14:40.12 | monod | moof2, ^ |
| 14:40.29 | monod | no results from grep |
| 14:40.49 | monod | and no /run folder |
| 14:40.57 | mtn | monod: if nothing else, rebooting would get rid of the lock |
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| 14:41.18 | monod | that windows feeling... :'( (lulz) |
| 14:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I'd suggest not doing stuff like a direct upgrade from squeeze--->jessie without doing the minimal research necessary to show that that's a bad idea |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | monod: what's the problem? |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | goes back and reads |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | monod: if you double click the icon, what happens? |
| 14:42.20 | monod | CutMeOwnThroat, the fact is that everything I would do, I need to read tons of stuff in order to know if I can or cna't do it? It's not good to me. abrotman, which icon? the notifier? if so, I've already killed it |
| 14:42.22 | moof2 | abrotman, he upgraded to jessie directly from squeeze, and right now he can't acquire the dpkg lock |
| 14:42.32 | monod | exactly.. |
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| 14:42.54 | monod | wouldn't you say I still need a more newuser-friendly distro? |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | monod: so remove the lock ? |
| 14:43.01 | monod | ahha |
| 14:43.07 | monod | how please? :D |
| 14:43.09 | abrotman | monod: did you look for a dpkg or apt process running? |
| 14:43.15 | Java_Nunes | ai que vontade de dar meia hora de cu |
| 14:43.16 | monod | nope |
| 14:43.20 | monod | looking it up now |
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| 14:43.55 | abrotman | Java_Nunes: english please |
| 14:44.04 | monod | no apt-get, aptitude nor dpkg processes, abrotman |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | monod: you owuld grep for apt|dpkg |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | monod: otherwise, just kill the lock file yourself .. |
| 14:44.29 | Java_Nunes | estou falando ingles da sua mae de perna aberta |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | seems like moof2 had you do something silly |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:44.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:44.36 | monod | how to grep for apt|dpkg? |
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| 14:45.05 | abrotman | monod: ps aux | egrep "apt|dpkg" |
| 14:45.08 | monod | and how to find the correct file to kill? |
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| 14:45.19 | monod | oh, nice abrotman |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | monod: /var/lib/dpkg/lock .. maybe |
| 14:45.47 | abrotman | monod: depends which lock file it's whining about |
| 14:45.58 | moof2 | if he's running jessie and doesn't have /run, is it broke? |
| 14:45.59 | monod | abrotman, I do not know anything about dpkg, trust me, |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | her certainly shouldn't have gone squeeze->jessie |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | he/she |
| 14:46.43 | monod | he <-- |
| 14:46.52 | monod | should I open the "lock" file? |
| 14:46.56 | monod | is it ro be read or what? |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | delete it |
| 14:47.05 | monod | alright |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | monod: also, what's the output of "uname -r" |
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| 14:47.24 | monod | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | monod: thta's definitely wrong |
| 14:47.33 | monod | I imagined |
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| 14:47.34 | abrotman | monod: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:47.56 | monod | aptitude is currently blocked, until I delete the file (hopefully) |
| 14:47.56 | abrotman | runs away .. |
| 14:48.02 | monod | hey |
| 14:48.04 | monod | :D |
| 14:48.12 | monod | I'm a poor man not understanding ANYTHING |
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| 14:48.15 | monod | please be kind xD |
| 14:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind |
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| 14:48.47 | monod | what that command will do? I can't see an end to my sufferings |
| 14:48.49 | monod | with linux |
| 14:48.54 | moof2 | in the right measure? |
| 14:49.03 | monod | breakdown |
| 14:49.06 | monod | I have it. |
| 14:49.11 | monod | depression |
| 14:49.13 | monod | have it too |
| 14:49.30 | apm1 | monod, what are your machine's temps ? |
| 14:49.31 | mtn | monod: linux isn't the problem. following the correct procedures is. I would reinstall and follow the instructions. |
| 14:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | the "problem" with the lock file isn't a problem, it's only a small nuisance... |
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| 14:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | the real problem is, that you tried to upgrade from squeeze to jessie which most probably leaves you, what experts technically call "a mess" |
| 14:50.25 | apm1 | i have had similar issues with a debian derivative but the reason there were high temps |
| 14:50.38 | moof2 | monod, one choice you have is to back up /home and install debian from scratch... it may be too broken to try to examine forensically and be finished in less than several hours |
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| 14:50.48 | apm1 | yeah well thats a "big mess" |
| 14:51.06 | moof2 | it might be a big mess too |
| 14:51.06 | monod | ok, read you all guys |
| 14:51.23 | monod | I was answering, but you have already answered everything I was going to ask |
| 14:51.31 | monod | so I think I'll reinstall Debian from scratch |
| 14:51.51 | moof2 | monod, if you have stuff in your home dir, you may wish to back it up first |
| 14:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course that mess can be fixed... but it probably (depending on how big the mess actually is and your expertise) will cost you a lot more time than it's worth |
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| 14:52.36 | monod | I'm sad for this btw :( and also: should I consider another distro more easy for me? until I become more aquaintaced? |
| 14:52.50 | monod | moof2, oh of course I have things to backup, thanks |
| 14:53.10 | monod | (thanks for remind I mean) |
| 14:53.13 | moof2 | make sure you do so... or do you have /home as a separate mount? |
| 14:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as such I'd suggest you save your user data and reinstall... at least that's a well-documented procedure. I also recommend to you to use stable (i.e. wheezy right now) and stick with it until you know your way around a bit better... |
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| 14:54.02 | moof2 | jessie is still very new, and you'd have to decide if you want to slog through the related problems |
| 14:54.14 | monod | ok CutMeOwnThroat. moof2, in effects, I do have it as a separate mount |
| 14:54.31 | monod | but I also problems with the partitions I hand-made, but that's not too difficult to fix, for me |
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| 14:55.05 | mtn | monod: install debian stable and you will find it very easy. |
| 14:55.09 | moof2 | so, mount | grep /home |
| 14:55.16 | moof2 | does that produce anything? |
| 14:55.21 | monod | moof2, cc everyone else: I tried jessie because I felt like the stable version was waaaay out of date, so some guys suggested me to go for the testing which has some unstable packages |
| 14:55.28 | monod | of course, moof2 |
| 14:55.51 | monod | do you want a paste? |
| 14:56.07 | moof2 | it shoudl be one line |
| 14:56.12 | monod | yes |
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| 14:57.14 | monod | okay guys, if there's nothing left out, I'll prepare myself to reinstall |
| 14:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | monod, stable right now is quite new... but that is exactly the point of stable... to be unchanging. which I find great for most things. if you use testing, that's what you do. you test lots of new packages and probably one of them will be broken every month, if not every week... for just getting things done, nothing beats stable |
| 14:57.46 | monod | ok |
| 14:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | monod, also, you can get newer versions of selected packages (just need a bit of luck that someone bothered to backport them) from backports |
| 14:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell monod about backports |
| 14:58.15 | monod | thanks :D |
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| 14:59.12 | moof2 | show us this: echo ". $(mount | grep /home)" |
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| 14:59.41 | moof2 | that just puts a dot at the start. |
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| 15:00.02 | monod | . /dev/sda6 on /home type ext4 (rw) |
| 15:00.09 | monod | why a dot? boh |
| 15:00.33 | moof2 | because / at the start of an irc line is interpreted |
| 15:00.42 | monod | oh ok |
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| 15:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and because he likes dots |
| 15:03.45 | monod | xD |
| 15:03.49 | monod | OFC |
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| 15:04.00 | abrotman | i do! |
| 15:04.00 | moof2 | so, when you reinstall, you will be placed in the partitioning tool |
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| 15:04.22 | monod | of course |
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| 15:04.49 | abrotman | moof2: if you had a decent IRC client, it wouldn't gobble that line |
| 15:04.50 | monod | and I have not to format the dev, but only to mount home on it |
| 15:06.05 | moof2 | when you get in there and you're working on /dev/sda6, make sure: (1) you set it to be mounted on /home, (2) it is not to be formatted |
| 15:06.12 | moof2 | right, exactly |
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| 15:07.31 | moof2 | ok, great. so you seem to have what you need. I would still recommend you go thru the install guide and the release notes for wheezy |
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| 15:09.06 | moof2 | once you do so, you can go ahead and install. |
| 15:09.14 | monod | oh, ok.. I hope I will then be okay... |
| 15:09.18 | monod | with Debian. |
| 15:09.22 | monod | also: |
| 15:09.34 | monod | what about my icons on the top panel? or the programs I've installed? |
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| 15:09.42 | monod | is there no way to "backup" those? |
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| 15:10.07 | abrotman | !tell monod about aptitude clone |
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| 15:10.55 | moof2 | sure there is... and, if you will be installing wheezy, the programs you have (some combination of squeeze and jessie) aren't likely to work |
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| 15:11.34 | monod | so there's no point for backupping those |
| 15:11.46 | monod | instead it's better to just fresh reinstall |
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| 15:12.07 | moof2 | unless you want to back up the whole thing such that you can restore it if you have to |
| 15:12.08 | abrotman | monod: no, you can backup your package list and install most of the same package |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | packages |
| 15:12.14 | abrotman | i have no idea what moof2 is talking about |
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| 15:12.48 | JavaNunes | a minha rede(my network is ghost rat c2) |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | JavaNunes: english |
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| 15:13.46 | monod | okay guys, I'll will manage how to backup, thanks |
| 15:13.52 | monod | oops |
| 15:13.54 | monod | double will |
| 15:13.54 | monod | xD |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | monod: see what the bot told you |
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| 15:14.27 | monod | did (Y) |
| 15:14.30 | JavaNunes | abrotman, aliens exists in eua? |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | JavaNunes: do you have a question about Debian? |
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| 15:16.17 | p3rror | where can I find application icone in debian |
| 15:16.23 | p3rror | where can I find application icone informations in debian |
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| 15:16.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell p3rror about apt-file |
| 15:16.53 | p3rror | abrotman, apt-file ???? |
| 15:17.00 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
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| 15:19.53 | DammitJim | is there an xorg setting for auto connect monitor detection? |
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| 15:20.36 | DammitJim | when I turn off the monitor |
| 15:20.41 | DammitJim | and turn it back on, I have nothing on the screen |
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| 15:30.25 | Kaotiko | hi, i have a problem with debian instalation, I cant install the package grub-pc |
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| 15:31.18 | moof2 | any idea about why that is? does your computer display any messages that might suggest why? |
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| 15:34.44 | Kaotiko | moof2: grub-pc failed to install into /target/ |
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| 15:35.57 | moof2 | hmm, doesn't say much |
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| 15:37.03 | Kaotiko | fail when go to install grub-pc |
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| 15:37.37 | wjtaylor | what is display 0:0 ?? |
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| 15:39.00 | moof2 | Kaotiko, do you think you allocated enough disk space? |
| 15:39.05 | Kaotiko | is a bug |
| 15:39.05 | Kaotiko | yes |
| 15:39.10 | Kaotiko | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=83138 |
| 15:39.17 | Kaotiko | because i m install from a USB |
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| 15:40.12 | Kaotiko | fisrt day that i will go change RedHat to Debian, bug in installation |
| 15:40.38 | mtn | Kaotiko: how many hard drives do you have? |
| 15:41.02 | Kaotiko | one and one USB (with the image of Debian) |
| 15:41.23 | mtn | Kaotiko: is grub being installed to mbr or partition? |
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| 15:41.47 | Kaotiko | partition, i add a primary partition with /boot |
| 15:42.54 | moof2 | that';s a good idea... so you could install grub to that partition if you want, and of course the other choice is to install it to the mbr |
| 15:42.56 | mtn | Kaotiko: why not mbr? |
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| 15:43.27 | Kaotiko | i have a bug report about it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672689 |
| 15:43.52 | Kaotiko | mtn: it s not the problem... |
| 15:44.06 | mtn | Kaotiko: how do you know? |
| 15:44.07 | Kaotiko | i have a primary partition with /boot but dont install the grub |
| 15:44.24 | moof2 | there's not any information presented here about what the problem is |
| 15:44.31 | moof2 | not so far |
| 15:45.58 | mtn | I might be wrong, but shouldn't it be installed to the root directory if not mbrrrr? |
| 15:46.05 | Kaotiko | i can continue without grub, but dont like it |
| 15:46.59 | moof2 | is this a new machine? or are you replacing another os? |
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| 15:47.50 | Kaotiko | new, i hadnt other OS, but delete all |
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| 15:48.31 | Kaotiko | now i create 4 partition, one primary for boot, 3 logical, swap, / and /home |
| 15:49.03 | Kaotiko | other partitions are windows (because is a netbook and when u paid for it, u are paid the SO too...) xD |
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| 15:50.13 | moof2 | so, there is windows on that machine? it sounds like you're saying you don't want the windows, and would be fine overwriting it |
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| 15:51.19 | moof2 | mtn, usually you would install grub either to the mbr or to a primary partition |
| 15:52.21 | moof2 | this is also not an lvm installation and as far as I can see also not a raid installtion |
| 15:52.44 | mtn | moof2: I am not aware it has to be a primary. |
| 15:53.59 | moof2 | all I can say is I've never succeeded at installing grub to a logical partn |
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| 15:54.48 | moof2 | Kaotiko, are you still in the installer? |
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| 15:55.14 | Kaotiko | no, finally installed without grub |
| 15:55.20 | Kaotiko | but i will try install the last time |
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| 15:56.08 | Kaotiko | do u recommend? |
| 15:56.10 | moof2 | when you get to the point where it's going to install it, start doing so and then switch over to alt-F4, which shoudl be a log of the install |
| 15:56.20 | Kaotiko | install only /home and / ? |
| 15:56.49 | moof2 | I would say also add the /boot... how much space is there for /boot? |
| 15:56.50 | dkeav | anyone working with a haswell chip yet? and got X working with acceleration? |
| 15:56.53 | Kaotiko | Ok, i will try install other time |
| 15:57.09 | Kaotiko | 200MB or 250MB |
| 15:57.29 | dkeav | http://pastebin.com/gseRxGuV |
| 15:57.35 | moof2 | how much space is on the drive? |
| 15:57.48 | dkeav | Xorg.0.log looks good, but no accel |
| 15:58.00 | Kaotiko | moof2: have 60GB free |
| 15:58.21 | Kaotiko | but i want 15GB to / and 25 /home |
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| 15:58.38 | Kaotiko | other free space is for other OS |
| 15:58.40 | moof2 | oh ok, that's plenty... and a quarter g is not a problem |
| 15:58.49 | moof2 | so there is/will be another os? |
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| 15:58.59 | Kaotiko | yes, 15GB / |
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| 15:59.09 | Kaotiko | and use same /home that Debian |
| 15:59.26 | moof2 | ok |
| 15:59.32 | Kaotiko | is kali linux, only use the root account, not more users |
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| 16:00.00 | Kaotiko | moof2: in this install dont put /boot? or yes? |
| 16:00.29 | moof2 | you can put it, if you do it will be one possible target for grub (the other being the mbr) |
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| 16:01.23 | moof2 | once it tries to install grub, watch the action by hitting alt-F4 |
| 16:01.42 | moof2 | maybe you will see why it's having trouble |
| 16:02.09 | Kaotiko | ok |
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| 16:04.02 | Kaotiko | i have 15GB /. 26 GB /home 15.6GB Free Space, 1GB swap and 250 MB /boot |
| 16:04.06 | Kaotiko | i will go install |
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| 16:06.39 | Kaotiko | moof2: people said that if is a USB created with unetbootin the grub installation fail |
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| 16:09.14 | moof2 | Kaotiko, they were talking about unetbootin yesterday, saying there is some kind of problem when you combine it with the image |
| 16:09.51 | moof2 | what image are you using to install? also, does the installer succeed at connecting to the net? |
| 16:10.07 | Kaotiko | debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso |
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| 16:11.30 | moof2 | I would like to suggest you grab the net install image for either 7,0 or 7.1 |
| 16:12.02 | Kaotiko | i preffer install with a usb jeje |
| 16:12.12 | moof2 | I've never worked with the live images |
| 16:12.15 | moof2 | that's fine |
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| 16:12.21 | moof2 | !usb install |
| 16:12.21 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 16:12.39 | Kaotiko | i installed |
| 16:12.45 | Kaotiko | grub fail other time xD |
| 16:13.17 | moof2 | that is probably because you used unetbootin, and there is a known issue with that |
| 16:13.30 | antihero_ | howdy. With the unattended-upgrades package, can I just install it or do I have to configure things to have it do automatic security updates? |
| 16:13.57 | moof2 | can you wipe the usb? |
| 16:14.05 | Kaotiko | moof2: i think that i will finish the installation and repair the grub with other OS... |
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| 16:15.02 | moof2 | ok, np. good luck |
| 16:15.39 | Myzqo | How come netbeans sid 7.0.1 (7.3.1) and eclipse sid 3.8.1-4 (4.3) is so outdated in debian packeges? |
| 16:15.52 | moof2 | no idea |
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| 16:16.08 | moof2 | if you need a particular version, just get it |
| 16:16.46 | Myzqo | i guess it's just to download from the developer, but shouldnt the sid (unstable) hold later versions? |
| 16:17.15 | moof2 | the words "sid" and "should" do not mix :) |
| 16:17.37 | HelenaKitty | Okay I am running Debian Jessie and I know you don't support Debian Jessie but I've had this issue since Squeeze. My OS upon reboot doesn't lease the DHCP and also doesn't discover it. |
| 16:17.38 | HelenaKitty | This only happens on the wlan0 interface, what could the problem be? |
| 16:17.38 | HelenaKitty | I've tried "sudo dhclient wlan0", takes forever to finish but once it finishes I've still no IP address! |
| 16:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | antihero_, doesn't /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README say? |
| 16:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | HelenaKitty, well, I know you don't read topics :) ... at least I don now |
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| 16:19.47 | Myzqo | moof2: i dont, with sid i ment sid (Unstable) http://packages.debian.org/sid/eclipse and with should i ment i thought unstable ment newest not tested software. |
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| 16:20.17 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, the questions I'd be asking are, are you properly connected to the AP? is the AP set up to handle dhcp? |
| 16:21.03 | moof2 | Myzqo, that's a reasonable assumption initially... now, add humans to that mix |
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| 16:21.51 | Myzqo | moof2, ;) |
| 16:22.40 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, also is the driver and firmware for your wireless correctly installed? when you look at dmesg output, do you see where it loads the firmware? |
| 16:23.17 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Yes. I can't connect to the AP, I was able to do it once after removing wicd. I removed wicd because it was hogging on my CPU. |
| 16:23.57 | moof2 | one would expect that you'd be logging on, not hogging on! |
| 16:24.09 | HelenaKitty | moof2: What? |
| 16:24.20 | HelenaKitty | wicd was hogging my CPU, I have a very weak CPU. |
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| 16:24.50 | moof2 | and when the cpu was being hogged, you couldn't connect? |
| 16:24.57 | HelenaKitty | so I removed it, rebooted, connected to wifi via interfaces file and I rebooted again, dhclient failed to lease and also failed to discover the DHCP server on boot up. |
| 16:25.17 | HelenaKitty | moof2: The CPU has nothing to do with it. The CPU has something to do with why I removed wicd. |
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| 16:26.04 | moof2 | could you check dmesg to see whether it tries to load firmware, and whether it succeeds at doing so? |
| 16:26.50 | HelenaKitty | moof2: http://pastie.org/8094794 |
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| 16:29.08 | moof2 | looks like it is loading the firmware |
| 16:29.19 | HelenaKitty | Yep |
| 16:29.46 | moof2 | can you try a static setup to see if that works? |
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| 16:29.55 | HelenaKitty | er... |
| 16:29.58 | HelenaKitty | yea |
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| 16:30.02 | HelenaKitty | moof2: and if it works? |
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| 16:30.18 | moof2 | well for one thing you could use that for awhile |
| 16:30.31 | HelenaKitty | moof2: No way! |
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| 16:30.41 | HelenaKitty | I'd rather use DHCP! |
| 16:31.06 | moof2 | informationally, of course it rules out hardware, driver, firmware as the problem, as well as showing you have an ability to connect |
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| 16:31.52 | moof2 | once you establish that much, we'll go from there |
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| 16:34.10 | HelenaKitty | okies just bringing the interface up |
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| 16:34.35 | HelenaKitty | moof2: According to ifconfig I've still no IP address. |
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| 16:38.26 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, are you doing this with iface wlan0 inet static? |
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| 16:44.58 | p3rror | what is thie error "./insync: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./insync)" |
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| 16:46.00 | moof2 | p3rror, it's not finding a symbol it requires... you might be trying to combine different versions of debian |
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| 16:46.20 | p3rror | moof2, what does it mean |
| 16:46.28 | p3rror | moof2, I'm running wheezy |
| 16:46.30 | babilen | p3rror: It's the error you get when you try to run a program compiled for Ubuntu on Debian wheezy -- Provide more details if you want actual help. |
| 16:46.35 | moof2 | it requires a symbol. |
| 16:46.37 | moof2 | it's missing. |
| 16:47.24 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Yes |
| 16:47.35 | p3rror | moof2, here is ldd insync result http://paste.debian.net/13323/ |
| 16:47.36 | babilen | p3rror: Just recompile that software on wheezy and link against libc6 2.13 |
| 16:47.55 | HelenaKitty | moof2: I got 2 hours to fix this, I want to take my netbook down to my dads. :( |
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| 16:48.10 | HelenaKitty | Infact... I got 20 minutes |
| 16:48.35 | wjtaylor | I've got the craziest problem. I'm trying to do certain things (modifying groups for one) and it's asking me for a root password. I put my root password in MANY times, and it's not recognizing it. Yet, if I run a term as root and put the same password in, no problem. |
| 16:49.28 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, do you have the ssid and passwd set in the static stanza for wlan0? |
| 16:49.47 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Yes |
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| 16:50.28 | p3rror | babilen, the program is pre compiled |
| 16:50.31 | babilen | HelenaKitty: fwiw, some of the broadcom chips are inherently bad and just a nightmare. Your best bet (in particular with time constaints like that) is a new kernel (e.g. 3.9 from sid) -- Which wireless adaptor is it exactly? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 16:50.39 | p3rror | babilen, I installed it from deb repos |
| 16:50.40 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, hmm. dunno what to tell you |
| 16:50.46 | babilen | p3rror: Then get a version meant for Debian or compile it yourself. |
| 16:50.54 | babilen | p3rror: Which package is that? |
| 16:50.57 | p3rror | babilen, https://www.insynchq.com/linux |
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| 16:51.11 | p3rror | insync to sync with google drive |
| 16:51.16 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, is it a usb adapter? |
| 16:51.26 | babilen | p3rror: Those repositories have nothing to do with Debian AFAICT |
| 16:51.39 | p3rror | babilen, I see |
| 16:51.50 | HelenaKitty | moof2: no, card |
| 16:51.52 | HelenaKitty | Lemme give u it |
| 16:51.56 | HelenaKitty | it's a bcrm |
| 16:52.24 | HelenaKitty | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) |
| 16:52.26 | babilen | p3rror: Their packages are clearly broken (at least if they target Debian) and there is very little we can do to change that. |
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| 16:52.53 | moof2 | could you show the pciid too? (lspci -nn) |
| 16:52.57 | p3rror | babilen, and there are no sources |
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| 16:53.15 | babilen | HelenaKitty: I knew that it is going to be one of those horrible lp-phy ones. Could you still do me a favour and run "lspci -nn|grep -i Network" and show me the exact output? |
| 16:53.26 | HelenaKitty | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 16:53.29 | babilen | p3rror: What do you expect I can do about it? |
| 16:53.35 | babilen | HelenaKitty: Thanks |
| 16:53.36 | moof2 | thanks |
| 16:53.44 | HelenaKitty | yeah |
| 16:53.46 | HelenaKitty | I hate this card |
| 16:53.48 | p3rror | babilen, I dont know |
| 16:53.52 | HelenaKitty | messes up all the time :/ |
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| 16:54.14 | HelenaKitty | There are bugs on this card, it likes to break localhost so I've to take down localhost then bring it back up when I am connected to wifi. |
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| 16:54.45 | babilen | p3rror: There is nothing we can do, you could consider running jessie or unstable which has a libc6 that is recent enough, but I don't want to suggest that. You could simply not use their software, you can ask *THEM* for support with their broken proprietary software or ... |
| 16:55.01 | babilen | HelenaKitty: You *could* try the wl driver too |
| 16:55.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell HelenaKitty about wl |
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| 16:55.32 | p3rror | babilen, yes I think so too their software does not work |
| 16:55.44 | HelenaKitty | babilen: That doesn't work |
| 16:55.47 | p3rror | babilen, often I run debian unstable but this time I like to run stable |
| 16:55.56 | babilen | HelenaKitty: I'd try the 3.9 kernel and wl |
| 16:56.01 | babilen | HelenaKitty: It doesn't? |
| 16:56.02 | HelenaKitty | There is only one linux driver that works for my card. |
| 16:56.12 | HelenaKitty | Linux felicia 3.10-rc5-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10~rc5-1~exp1 (2013-06-11) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:56.13 | mumpitzel | !bcm4312 |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 16:56.28 | HelenaKitty | I have tried all that in the past! |
| 16:56.57 | HelenaKitty | Lemme explain |
| 16:57.01 | mumpitzel | then you haven't done it right most probably |
| 16:57.01 | babilen | HelenaKitty: Well, then get a card that isn't such a horrible nightmare as that one. |
| 16:57.02 | HelenaKitty | My wifi worked before I removed wicd |
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| 16:57.06 | HelenaKitty | so it isn't a driver fault |
| 16:57.23 | HelenaKitty | It always worked fine before I removed wicd! ALWAYS! |
| 16:57.41 | babilen | What are you using now? |
| 16:57.50 | HelenaKitty | babilen: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:57.51 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: so why did you remove it? and what does iwconfig wlan0 scanning say? |
| 16:58.00 | HelenaKitty | I removed it cause it hogs |
| 16:58.09 | babilen | What about NM? |
| 16:58.11 | HelenaKitty | iwlist scan lists all the APs in the area just fine. |
| 16:58.38 | mumpitzel | so what have you got in your interfaces file and what is therror you get? |
| 16:58.39 | moof2 | ok, so that verifies your card is working |
| 16:59.20 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel: The errors come from dhclient at boot up complaining it's unable to discover a DHCP server. |
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| 17:00.09 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, but additionally when you tried static, that didn't work either? |
| 17:00.16 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: then try it again and check the output of dmesg. it tells you if it's auth |
| 17:01.06 | HelenaKitty | Oh god I'm running out of time! :( |
| 17:01.15 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Correct |
| 17:01.22 | HelenaKitty | I remember I had this problem before... |
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| 17:01.28 | HelenaKitty | I installed ceni and ceni worked fine |
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| 17:02.18 | maroloccio | hi #debian :) i do not need updated info in my motd. can i disable the service? (update-rc.d motd disable) i am on wheezy, isn't motd static anyway on deb7? |
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| 17:05.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell maroloccio -about motd wheezy |
| 17:06.27 | babilen | HelenaKitty: No, what about NM? |
| 17:06.47 | babilen | s/No/So/ :) |
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| 17:08.33 | HelenaKitty | babilen: What? :o |
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| 17:09.18 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: network-manager |
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| 17:12.00 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel: o.o |
| 17:12.02 | HelenaKitty | Isn't that GUI? |
| 17:13.38 | babilen | HelenaKitty: No, it is a connection manager like wicd. I simply want to collect data points (and it would still be nice to see some data from a dhclient run) |
| 17:14.12 | babilen | HelenaKitty: See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager for details |
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| 17:14.24 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 17:14.38 | HelenaKitty | I am aware of what NetworkManager is but I don't have X! |
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| 17:16.24 | th0r | HelenaKitty, I just got here. What kind of data points are you trying to collect? |
| 17:16.24 | HelenaKitty | FML! |
| 17:16.33 | HelenaKitty | I can't believe I am having to update APT :( |
| 17:16.42 | HelenaKitty | th0r: What? |
| 17:16.52 | babilen | .oO( WTF is HelenaKitty doing now?) |
| 17:17.02 | th0r | oops....wrong nick <smile> |
| 17:17.09 | HelenaKitty | babilen: Having to update APT at such a bad time. |
| 17:17.37 | babilen | HelenaKitty: If you don't have Xorg (how come?) then don't use NetworkManager -- I mean it works just fine without Xorg (system connections), but it is a bit tricky to configure without the applet. |
| 17:18.28 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 17:18.55 | HelenaKitty | I'm going to throw in a reboot soon, my hardware needs flushing. |
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| 17:19.58 | babilen | HelenaKitty: How come you don't use Xorg? It is a rare occasion to find a box that is connected via wireless (in particular with that chipset) and for which it doesn't make sense to use a graphical environment. |
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| 17:20.17 | antihero | Hmm, weird issue - nslookup for a domain is correct IP, curl goes to correct IP, but ping/apt seem to think it's old IP. What do? |
| 17:20.17 | HelenaKitty | babilen: Why would I use Xorg? I hate it! |
| 17:20.24 | babilen | How come? |
| 17:20.36 | HelenaKitty | babilen: I don't like GUi in general. I prefer the CLI. |
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| 17:21.01 | HelenaKitty | babilen: All my systems don't use GUI including my phone and tablet. |
| 17:21.05 | babilen | You can use terminals just fine in X -- But well, go on and enjoy your bliss. I am in no mood for this discussion. |
| 17:21.10 | HelenaKitty | and I am not trolling. |
| 17:21.25 | HelenaKitty | babilen: I don't use X so no point even running a terminal on top of it when I can just use a TTY! |
| 17:21.49 | babilen | There are plenty of points, but lets drop it. |
| 17:21.55 | abrotman | seems like someone is trolling |
| 17:22.01 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | antihero: different resolving libraries perhaps |
| 17:22.16 | antihero | abrotman: :\ |
| 17:22.18 | HelenaKitty | wonders how long it will take for APT to finish updating |
| 17:22.20 | HelenaKitty | :( |
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| 17:22.40 | HelenaKitty | abrotman: Please don't accuse me of trolling, I came here for support not to be called a troll |
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| 17:23.02 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: that's nonsense and you know it |
| 17:24.16 | HelenaKitty | babilen: I use tmux, that's my UI. |
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| 17:26.34 | Th0masR0ss | screen! |
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| 17:27.37 | BenNZ | anyone know why i keep getting 'enter root password or press ctrl d to continue' messages at boot even after running fsck and that reports a clean file system |
| 17:28.05 | abrotman | BenNZ: a different filesystem is dirty? |
| 17:28.19 | HelenaKitty | Th0masR0ss: I wont go near screen since I learnt tmux. |
| 17:28.34 | BenNZ | abrotman: its either swap or ntfs , check the ntfs in windows , was clean |
| 17:28.40 | BenNZ | *checked |
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| 17:28.59 | abrotman | BenNZ: not sure what kind of impact that has for linux .. |
| 17:29.11 | HelenaKitty | brb rebooting... |
| 17:29.16 | abrotman | BenNZ: if you entier the root passwd, and then 'shutdown -rF now' .. might it come back clean? |
| 17:29.37 | BenNZ | abrotman: nope , i tried that too , always get that error message |
| 17:29.46 | abrotman | what's the error? |
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| 17:30.13 | BenNZ | abrotman: not error , just enter root password or press ctrl d to continue |
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| 17:30.46 | BenNZ | sorry bad wording , just frustrated that despite any effort i always get that on boot |
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| 17:30.55 | abrotman | BenNZ: and if you hit ctrl-d? |
| 17:31.19 | HelenaKitty | Who recommended NetworkManager to me? |
| 17:31.24 | BenNZ | abrotman: continues normally , even 24 mounts it performs a check , and comes back clean too |
| 17:31.33 | BenNZ | *every |
| 17:31.37 | HelenaKitty | I would like to give them a massive thank you! It fixed my wifi an I am now connected to the WLAN. |
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| 17:33.02 | Amgine_ | Question: why do apt-get connections to security.debian.org take a couple minutes to complete? |
| 17:33.15 | abrotman | Amgine_: your system has an IPv6 address, but no IPv6 route |
| 17:33.28 | abrotman | just a guess |
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| 17:33.57 | BenNZ | abrotman: i think it might be looking for a partition that no longer exists |
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| 17:34.03 | Amgine_ | <nods> It's connecting to an IPv6 address, but it's on an IPv4. |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | !tell Amgine_ about noipv6 |
| 17:34.18 | Amgine_ | ty |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | BenNZ: so remove it from the fstab |
| 17:34.45 | BenNZ | abrotman: it isnt in fstab but thats when the trouble started |
| 17:35.24 | Dagger2 | Amgine_: do you actually have a v6 address? i.e. does `ifconfig | grep inet6 | grep -v link` give anything? |
| 17:35.58 | Dagger2 | if not, disabling it isn't going to (or shouldn't...) help |
| 17:36.03 | Amgine_ | Dagger2: apparently yes, I do, much to my surprise. |
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| 17:37.28 | Dagger2 | ah, well... in that case it needs to work ;) |
| 17:37.41 | abrotman | or be removed |
| 17:38.00 | Dagger2 | but it would be best to fix it, or at least figure out why you're getting the broken address and fix that instead, rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring it |
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| 17:38.23 | abrotman | it could be an internal v6 adddress with no external routing .. doesn't mean it's broken |
| 17:38.31 | marsfligth | Hi, how to get modified date and size into 'locate' output? F.i. 'catfish' a GUI** for 'locate' shows all these values when set to search with 'locate'. How it does? (** http://linuxappfinder.com/package/catfish) |
| 17:38.57 | abrotman | marsfligth: use find probably |
| 17:39.03 | Amgine_ | It's a leaseweb box, so most likely as described by abrotman. |
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| 17:40.09 | Dagger2 | er... if it's leaseweb then it should be working |
| 17:40.14 | Dagger2 | not internal-only |
| 17:40.45 | abrotman | maybe he has to pay extra for v6? |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | just because it's a hosting company doesn't mean it's going to work as expected |
| 17:41.23 | Dagger2 | I doubt that |
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| 17:42.35 | abrotman | he'll have to take it up with them to figure it out probably |
| 17:43.16 | Amgine_ | <nods> Good advice, now that I'm aware it's a routing issue. |
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| 17:44.15 | Dagger2 | possibly #ipv6 could help (but if it was configured automatically, I'd expect the automatic configuration to work, and if it doesn't then something at leaseweb might well be broken) |
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| 17:45.12 | marsfligth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.56 | abrotman | marsfligth: how are you using locate? |
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| 17:48.02 | BenNZ | is there a way to disable fsck completely, not the best solution im aware |
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| 17:49.57 | marsfligth | abrotman: normally i use 'locate -i keyword' or 'locate \.xls' |
| 17:50.48 | LtL | BenNZ: I believe if you change the 0 1 to 0 0 in /etc/fstab for that particular mount, it won't check it. |
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| 17:51.06 | tdn | Can debian 7 netinst installer not boot inside a virtualbox VM? |
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| 17:51.33 | tdn | I get kernel panics when I boot a new VM on virtualbox, see screenshot here: http://imgur.com/gXTyDh6 How do I fix this? |
| 17:52.35 | BenNZ | LtL: thanks for the suggestion , but im still getting the 'enter root password or press ctl d message' |
| 17:52.41 | grubles | how did you install virtualbox, tdn ? |
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| 17:56.29 | alberto | Is possible change lenguage temporary for a gtk aplication? eg audacious |
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| 17:58.02 | fck | does anyone know if have ati radeon 2100 onboard driver for linux ? |
| 17:58.30 | abrotman | marsfligth: so use find intesad |
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| 18:02.17 | marsfligth | abrotman: it is a great tool but to slow on 600.000 more or less |
| 18:03.59 | abrotman | use xargs then |
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| 18:06.44 | Dunya | i ned help |
| 18:06.45 | Dunya | you |
| 18:06.51 | Dunya | yooo |
| 18:06.54 | Dunya | yoooooooooooooooo |
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| 18:07.34 | Dunya | hey |
| 18:07.36 | Dunya | I NEED HELP |
| 18:07.39 | Dunya | YOU THERE MAN? |
| 18:07.41 | Dunya | I NEED HELP ASPA |
| 18:07.48 | Dunya | SOMEONE ASNWER ME THERE ARE 1.2K PEOPLE HERE +++ |
| 18:07.53 | Dunya | AND NO ONE HELPS ME SINCE IM FROM PAKISTAN? |
| 18:07.58 | Dunya | HUH YOU RACIST FUCKS! |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | no, you're not |
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| 18:12.11 | HelenaKitty | hello |
| 18:12.35 | HelenaKitty | How do I disable the beep? The beep that happens when I use tab completion |
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| 18:13.50 | epsilon | does your terminal support disabling beep? |
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| 18:15.21 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: did you try asking google? |
| 18:15.38 | HelenaKitty | abrotman: No, I prefer to use IRC, it's easier. |
| 18:15.49 | HelenaKitty | IRC is like my first resort. |
| 18:15.50 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: try to do your own homework for a change, don't be so lazy |
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| 18:16.18 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: you need to start doing a bit of your own research before asking us every single question |
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| 18:16.56 | Guest45047 | Hi everyone! |
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| 18:23.13 | antihero_ | is there a way to automatically turn off my PC at night and back on during the day? |
| 18:23.18 | antihero_ | or perhaps suspend? |
| 18:23.23 | antihero_ | I'm thinking power |
| 18:26.08 | antihero_ | to cut down electricity bill |
| 18:26.18 | Arrowmaster | not to automatically turn it back on unless you have another always on pc to turn it on |
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| 18:26.47 | antihero_ | bah |
| 18:26.57 | antihero_ | what about automatic shutdown if it's idle? |
| 18:27.37 | musca | antihero_: many BIOS-Setups do provide timerbased power on. |
| 18:28.06 | Arrowmaster | turning off or suspending when idle is very common when on battery power so yes thats supported |
| 18:28.25 | antihero_ | I could use screensaver to poweroff I guess but that always seems to do it when watching movies and guff :/ |
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| 18:29.22 | Arrowmaster | they are all based on input |
| 18:29.53 | Arrowmaster | video players need to tell the screensaver not to kick in |
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| 18:31.10 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:31.39 | DexterF | I backed up a partition with dd_rescue and gzipped it, can one mount it without unzipping it first? |
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| 18:44.23 | frostschutz | DexterF, no |
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| 18:51.27 | Bogus8_ | I'm trying to write a quick script (already failed at the first part)... to transfer some files and I'm having some hang ups. Please look at it if you don't mind: http://pastebin.com/GLHtHTyg |
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| 18:54.21 | Bogus8_ | I can do it at the command line dir by dir with no problems... just putting rsync into the BASH script always gives me issues. |
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| 18:55.15 | mo1991 | can someone help me with xfce login causing Xorg process to freeze at 100%. This seems to be somewhat random - and occurs when using 4 monitors each with seperate instances of X - Nvidia driver. Using mate or kde does not have the same freeze. Not sure where to start. Fresh Wheezy install. |
| 18:56.02 | truexfan81 | where does cron keep its logs? |
| 18:56.05 | mo1991 | I have tried GDM, KDM, and Lightdm and all sometimes (mabey 40% OF TIME locup when loging into xfce after logogut) |
| 18:56.44 | blackjack | guys where do i view my logs for fail2ban? |
| 18:56.58 | blackjack | to know if its working to block annoying repeated logins? |
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| 19:05.58 | dawud | blackjack: man fail2ban-regex |
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| 19:09.57 | queso | Hello, I am trying to get unicode characters to show in xterm but it's not working. Or, more accurately, it seems that some unicode characters are showing, but many are not. Unicode is working on my system in gvim and libreoffice, but not xterm (where I usually do all my editing with vim). Could someone please help? locale returns this for me: http://dpaste.com/1275477/ I'm on up-to-date Wheezy. |
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| 19:12.55 | dawud | queso: not all fonts work for unicode, you need to choose one with unicode coverage |
| 19:13.36 | queso | dawud: I am using the same font (DejaVu Sans Mono Book) in both xterm and gvim. |
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| 19:13.47 | blackjack | dawud you mean, i need to install fail2ban-regex package together with fail2ban itself? |
| 19:13.55 | dawud | truexfan81: depends on your syslog config |
| 19:14.00 | queso | dawud: All the characters display fine in gvim. |
| 19:14.19 | dawud | queso: use uxterm and see if that makes a difference |
| 19:15.01 | dawud | blackjack: fail2ban-regex is installed along fail2ban |
| 19:15.12 | blackjack | i thought its another package |
| 19:15.18 | blackjack | i only installed fail2ban |
| 19:16.26 | dawud | blackjack: run 'which fail2ban-regex' |
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| 19:16.58 | queso | dawud: It works in uxterm. Is there a way to get xterm to work? |
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| 19:17.35 | blackjack | its in /usr/bin |
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| 19:18.40 | n1k11 | i have problem with Lenovo Thinkpad R500 PASSWORD on BIos |
| 19:18.44 | dawud | queso: the 'u' in uxterm stands for UNICODE |
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| 19:19.19 | dawud | blackjack: soo goread the manpage and learn how to use fail2ban-regex to check if your rules are fine |
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| 19:19.25 | zykotick9 | queso: xterm is rather "weak", you might want to try urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) instead. good luck. |
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| 19:19.43 | dawud | zykotick9: weak in what sense? |
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| 19:20.17 | dawud | zykotick9: weak how? (scratch that ^^) |
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| 19:20.33 | queso | zykotick9: xterm has served me well for many years. uxterm just seems to be a wrapper script for xterm. so it works with xterm, I just have to figure out how to configure it. |
| 19:20.47 | zykotick9 | dawud: weak in displaying various unicode and curses characters |
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| 19:21.05 | zykotick9 | queso: i've never used uxterm, so no comment from me. |
| 19:21.05 | dawud | zykotick9: hence, uxterm, works just fine for me |
| 19:21.30 | queso | dawud: If I run `xterm -class UXTerm -u8` it works. But all my .Xresources settings are lost. Is there a way to set .Xresources so xterm will use these options along with my other .Xresources preferences? |
| 19:21.50 | queso | zykotick9: uxterm is a bash script that calls xterm with arguments. |
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| 19:22.37 | zykotick9 | queso: ahhh. well, xterm still gives me problems displaying various curses programs (including alsamixer of all things) |
| 19:23.31 | dawud | queso: s/Xterm/UXterm/ in your Xresources and you're done |
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| 19:24.10 | blackjack | dawud: the truth is, i havent set any rules yet, i just installed fail2ban on its default setting. Is it fine like that? I mean the protection given by a default install? |
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| 19:24.40 | ompaul | blackjack: passwords will be guessed given enough ip space and options |
| 19:24.46 | ompaul | go get some ssh keys |
| 19:25.08 | blackjack | im new and learning |
| 19:25.20 | blackjack | how do i do that ompaul? |
| 19:25.28 | blackjack | ssh keys |
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| 19:26.06 | ompaul | ssh-keygen -t rsa |
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| 19:26.22 | ompaul | and put the key on the box with scp disable login using passwords |
| 19:26.27 | blackjack | if i envoke that, what will it do? |
| 19:26.28 | queso | dawud: Thanks for your help! |
| 19:26.29 | ompaul | or have a user who is not root able to log in |
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| 19:26.46 | blackjack | okay |
| 19:26.47 | ompaul | stop brute forcing passwords |
| 19:26.55 | ompaul | f2b only gives you time |
| 19:27.05 | ompaul | they only have to be lucky once |
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| 19:27.07 | blackjack | what do you mean time? |
| 19:27.15 | ompaul | you have to be lucky all the time |
| 19:27.19 | ompaul | that's what I mean |
| 19:27.25 | blackjack | you mean f2b only gives them time pressure to brute force it? |
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| 19:28.13 | n-st | hi, i'm having trouble configuring iptables to use rtmpsuck (i.e. making it redirect requests on port 1935 to localhost). iptables doesn't give me any error and exits with 0, but the rule doesn't seem to be applied: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/50a6b1f5/ -- what could cause iptables to discard the new rule immediately? |
| 19:28.33 | n1k11 | how to disable bios on password on Lenovo Thinkpad R500 |
| 19:28.40 | dawud | queso: no problem |
| 19:28.46 | ompaul | blackjack: think about it for five minutes, if you hijack 1k addresses and they all get banned over time but you can attack in cycles how good is f2b |
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| 19:30.33 | queso | dawud: This is very strange. With that font set, uxterm does the same as xterm, e.g., it displays boxes for most of the characters. I wonder why that font works with gvim but not xterm. |
| 19:31.03 | queso | dawud: And if I change the font, then xterm displays unicode characters fine. So, it's something with xterm not using that font correctly, or something. |
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| 19:31.48 | queso | dawud: I guess I need to find a new monospace font that has good unicode support. |
| 19:32.17 | frikinz | who would hijack 1K adresses for an uninteresting servers. mmmhh |
| 19:32.23 | damo22 | i just blew away a server install because it was compromised, i now have running a minimal debootstrap that i installed via a chroot, now it is rebooted into the live system... i have a strange process that runs called CRON even though i have an empty crontab... |
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| 19:33.15 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.15 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.16 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.16 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.35 | blackjack | Sorry:( wrong paste |
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| 19:34.10 | zykotick9 | queso: have you tried terminus? |
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| 19:36.14 | adrelanos | Hi! When I want to report a bug via mail and want to share a lot debug output.... Can I attach a text file as attachment? |
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| 19:37.33 | moof2 | adrelanos, if it's text, why not include it in the other text? |
| 19:37.59 | adrelanos | because its a lot. not sure if thats seen as offensive/impolite. |
| 19:38.09 | adrelanos | i am happy to include it in the text |
| 19:38.18 | moof2 | I'd say ask on #debian-devel |
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| 19:38.42 | queso | zykotick9: I really like xterm, my friend. :) I want to get it to work there. |
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| 19:39.30 | damo22 | does CRON ever run if there is no crontab? |
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| 19:39.44 | queso | dawud, zykotick9: Okay, so I had an old copy of the font files in my ~/.fonts directory, but a newer copy shipped with Debian. Now greek fonts work directly in xterm but the hebrew fonts don't. But in gvim, using the same font, greek and hebrew characters display. |
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| 19:40.02 | linuxthefish | damo22, you can run cron manually |
| 19:40.02 | queso | damo22: I would assume that it always runs. |
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| 19:40.34 | damo22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.50 | damo22 | i did not run that |
| 19:40.55 | damo22 | and there is no crontab |
| 19:41.00 | SubjectOne | anybody here who knows where i can change the workgroupname : workgroup to something else under debian 7 ? |
| 19:41.13 | zykotick9 | queso: terminus is a monospace font ;) available in both xorg and virtual console. |
| 19:41.29 | queso | zykotick9: ooh, it's a font, sounded like the name of a terminal. ;) |
| 19:41.41 | linuxthefish | what is the recomended way to use PHP in nginx? |
| 19:41.49 | linuxthefish | people in #nginx don't like PHP |
| 19:42.01 | zykotick9 | queso: i'm not sure about it's unicode compatibility though! |
| 19:42.14 | Tylerjd | linuxthefish: probably through PHP-FPM |
| 19:42.29 | linuxthefish | i get "E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm" in debian though |
| 19:42.44 | linuxthefish | only on this box, i have no idea why... |
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| 19:42.46 | blackjack | ompaul: i thought ssh keys and public keys are created automatically and on by default. So it should be done at first linux setup? |
| 19:43.13 | Tylerjd | linuxthefish: apt-get update, also what version of debian are you on? |
| 19:43.14 | moof2 | linuxthefish, isn't there a debian package for it? (I don't like it either and you shouldn't either because of how the devs arbitrarily add and remove features, invalidating millions of lines of code every time they do) |
| 19:43.31 | moof2 | you should prefer a -stable- language |
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| 19:43.59 | ompaul | blackjack: not for the users keys that's system keys |
| 19:44.02 | linuxthefish | Debian 6 moof2 |
| 19:44.49 | Tylerjd | there is your problem. Enable backports, then you should have to fpm package |
| 19:45.17 | damo22 | http://paste.debian.net/13351/ someone please explain what this CRON process did |
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| 19:46.15 | moof2 | maybe you can check the docs on crond |
| 19:46.22 | linuxthefish | argh now Tylerjd |
| 19:46.23 | linuxthefish | root@linuxbox:/etc/nginx/sites-enabled# deb http://ftp.uk..debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 19:46.23 | linuxthefish | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 19:46.42 | linuxthefish | following these instructions... http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:47.10 | moof2 | linuxthefish, you put that in a specific file |
| 19:47.11 | Tylerjd | linuxthefish: vim /etc/apt/sources.list (or nano or whatever you like) |
| 19:47.23 | linuxthefish | oh... |
| 19:47.25 | linuxthefish | whoops |
| 19:47.29 | damo22 | http://paste.debian.net/13351/ any idea what happened here after i logged out? |
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| 19:47.46 | moof2 | linuxthefish, either the instructions are bad or you misread them :) |
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| 19:48.05 | linuxthefish | i'm such an idiot lol |
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| 19:49.03 | moof2 | up to you how you talk to yourself... I'd recommend against calling yourself names, because your brain will hear and obey |
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| 19:49.34 | yggdrasil | hah |
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| 19:50.13 | linuxthefish | i'm just tired... |
| 19:50.27 | linuxthefish | urgh!!! |
| 19:50.28 | linuxthefish | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 19:50.35 | linuxthefish | on apt-get update |
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| 19:51.00 | moof2 | what's (-sloppy) |
| 19:51.15 | myka | no clue |
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| 19:51.43 | linuxthefish | it's in the instructions :S |
| 19:52.03 | moof2 | linuxthefish, apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 19:52.25 | moof2 | then do: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
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| 19:53.35 | moof2 | then tell us the url |
| 19:54.10 | linuxthefish | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/258924 |
| 19:55.05 | moof2 | try getting rid of the (-sloppy) |
| 19:55.11 | moof2 | then run the update again |
| 19:55.42 | linuxthefish | yeah, that works but it still can't find php5-fpm... |
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| 19:56.02 | linuxthefish | "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install php5-fpm" then "E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm" |
| 19:56.05 | moof2 | try apt-cache search php5 |
| 19:56.17 | {Civil} | When in doubt, use apt-cache. |
| 19:56.20 | moof2 | that will probably be a lot of output |
| 19:56.39 | moof2 | just look thru it |
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| 19:57.30 | frikinz | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&keywords=php5-fpm |
| 19:57.46 | moof2 | he's running squeeze I think |
| 19:57.54 | {Civil} | Oh, right. |
| 19:58.17 | linuxthefish | :( |
| 19:58.27 | {Civil} | linuxthefish, are you running squeeze? |
| 19:58.58 | {Civil} | If so, add these two lines to your sources.list |
| 19:59.00 | {Civil} | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 19:59.06 | jdoles | How can I get a csc on Linux which is supposed to be the name of a C#-compiler? |
| 19:59.07 | linuxthefish | yes i think, "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0" |
| 19:59.08 | {Civil} | deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 19:59.08 | ompaul | NO |
| 19:59.18 | linuxthefish | is dotdeb bad? |
| 19:59.19 | ompaul | Stable IS NOT Squeeze |
| 19:59.22 | moof2 | nono, don't put "stable" |
| 19:59.22 | zykotick9 | i just heard in another channel that redhat has some option that records the install options into their preseed-like format. is there any method of doing that on debian (it's a very neat idea IMO)? |
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| 19:59.34 | ompaul | DOTDEB is not supported here |
| 19:59.38 | ompaul | !dotdeb |
| 19:59.38 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 19:59.52 | {Civil} | Eh, it works, but okay. |
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| 19:59.54 | ompaul | it's not going to be supported here |
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| 20:00.20 | ompaul | works for you - not everyone |
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| 20:00.49 | ompaul | if you are not going to be here to provide 100% support for it 24/7 please to not advise users to use it |
| 20:00.53 | moof2 | and, "stable" should be replaced with the name of the dist |
| 20:00.59 | ompaul | because we won't support it |
| 20:01.05 | zykotick9 | my take. "don't pollute" debian with dotdeb |
| 20:01.09 | ompaul | when it fails for someone |
| 20:01.30 | ompaul | current stable is wheezy |
| 20:01.44 | ompaul | concludes his rant |
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| 20:01.50 | HelenaKitty | wow |
| 20:01.57 | HelenaKitty | wait... |
| 20:02.02 | ompaul | why |
| 20:02.05 | moof2 | wut? |
| 20:02.07 | HelenaKitty | didn't abrotman quiet me? o.o |
| 20:02.08 | ompaul | there is no reason to |
| 20:02.21 | linuxthefish | yeah, dobdeb seems broken for me :p |
| 20:02.24 | truexfan81 | i think my cron is broken |
| 20:02.27 | ompaul | and there you go :) |
| 20:02.32 | linuxthefish | public key not available |
| 20:03.04 | moof2 | it'll whine about the key until you take care of that... otherwise, it'll work |
| 20:03.10 | truexfan81 | i made a script to launch my irc bot, running the script manually works, bot launches, but if i put it in crontab the bot never starts up, makes me think cron is broken |
| 20:03.31 | ompaul | moof2: eh it's not debian and it's not supported here go to other happy channel |
| 20:03.59 | ompaul | truexfan81: paths and environments that's what you most likely are missing |
| 20:04.02 | moof2 | ompaul, oh, that's not true for debian repos? |
| 20:04.15 | ompaul | moof2: it's not debian |
| 20:04.18 | truexfan81 | ompaul: script is in my home folder, crontab has */1 * * * * $HOME/jadzia.sh |
| 20:04.21 | moof2 | that is, it won't whine and you can't take care of it? |
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| 20:05.02 | ompaul | misrepresenting what I said - fail - it's not supported - as for fixing problems outside the scope etc :) |
| 20:05.05 | moof2 | too many pronouns going on... I was referring to debian repos, not sure what you're referring to |
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| 20:11.03 | linuxthefish | fixed now, thanks all :) |
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| 20:11.17 | linuxthefish | i need to pay more attention when reading instructions :p |
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| 20:12.26 | truexfan81 | ompaul: could this be a permissions issue? cron reports that it can't find the file, but if i point nano to the same location via copy/paste it opens the file |
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| 20:13.30 | moof2 | truexfan81, can't find is likely not a permission issue, probably it's an absolute versus relative path issue |
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| 20:14.10 | truexfan81 | moof2: i did try changing it to /home/philip/jadzia.sh same error, and i can still open it with nano |
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| 20:14.28 | moof2 | then the script has the issue |
| 20:14.52 | tuche | tengo preguntas de gnu/linux |
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| 20:15.01 | truexfan81 | if cron can't find the script the script has the issue? what? |
| 20:15.06 | ompaul | truexfan81: that's what I said ... /path/to/thing |
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| 20:15.13 | ompaul | that should be in your script |
| 20:15.23 | moof2 | how do you know it's the script it can't find? |
| 20:15.26 | tdn | grubles, apt-get install virtualbox, I think? |
| 20:15.34 | ompaul | environments |
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| 20:15.46 | truexfan81 | moof2: the email cron sends me says /bin/sh: 1: /home/philip/jadzia.sh: not found |
| 20:15.51 | ompaul | truexfan81: also you should ahve that path in cron |
| 20:16.24 | moof2 | check the #! |
| 20:16.41 | truexfan81 | ? |
| 20:16.43 | cusco | !tekk tuche about es |
| 20:16.47 | cusco | !tell tuche about es |
| 20:17.04 | moof2 | is it possible the cron job is running as a different user than philip? |
| 20:17.27 | truexfan81 | moof2: could it? i set it by running crontab -e as philip |
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| 20:17.36 | tdn | Can debian 7 netinst installer not boot inside a virtualbox VM? I get kernel panics when I boot a new VM on virtualbox, see screenshot here: http://imgur.com/gXTyDh6 How do I fix this? |
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| 20:18.06 | ompaul | truexfan81: in your crontab do you have the FULL path to the script? |
| 20:18.10 | moof2 | one thing cron does is pare down the env... you might need to set things like $PATH and such |
| 20:18.24 | alberto | is possible change spell checker in gtkspell? |
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| 20:18.31 | truexfan81 | ompaul: */1 * * * * bash /home/philip/jadzia.sh |
| 20:18.45 | truexfan81 | progval suggested i put bash in front of it |
| 20:19.14 | moof2 | see what happens if you don't do that |
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| 20:19.20 | truexfan81 | ok |
| 20:19.22 | ompaul | truexfan81: do you want to run that every minute? |
| 20:19.31 | ompaul | truexfan81: if so then * * * * * is what you want |
| 20:19.41 | moof2 | and also check in your script to make sure ALL executables are called by their fully qualified path |
| 20:19.46 | truexfan81 | ompaul: only until i get it working, then i will change it to every 5 minutes |
| 20:19.57 | ompaul | truexfan81: as I said if so then * * * * * is what you want |
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| 20:20.38 | moof2 | it's also possible some executable can't find its dyn libs, which could mean you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the script |
| 20:21.11 | truexfan81 | moof2: every bit of this works when run manually, so nothing is missing |
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| 20:22.01 | moof2 | you may be forgetting the set of env vars that are set in a cron job |
| 20:22.07 | truexfan81 | what i'm trying to get to run is supybot-botchk, cron doesn't seem to want to run that, so the script is an attempt at a work around as its just calling supybot-botchk and giving it the appropriate arguments |
| 20:22.10 | ompaul | truexfan81: so you have in your cron * * * * * /home/philip/jadzia.sh |
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| 20:22.28 | moof2 | well that was said already... so... find out :) |
| 20:22.52 | truexfan81 | * * * * * /home/philip/jadzia.sh |
| 20:22.53 | moof2 | the script will need to be executable in that case, as well |
| 20:23.11 | truexfan81 | yes moof2 i did a chmode +x on the script |
| 20:23.16 | truexfan81 | chmod* |
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| 20:23.45 | moof2 | also if you're reading the emails that cron sends, make sure you check date and the date of the email to make sure you're reading the latest one |
| 20:23.54 | ompaul | truexfan81: useful tip in cron stuff ... at the start of the shell script have it touch /home/user/FirstRound and the end of the script put touch /home/user/LastRound and then you will see if it even reads the first line |
| 20:24.03 | ompaul | in case of decision trees that cause it to exit |
| 20:24.22 | moof2 | aaannnnd,,, cron will send email when the cron job outputs to at least stdout |
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| 20:25.06 | truexfan81 | oh does cron support sending arguments? |
| 20:25.22 | ompaul | truexfan81: sending what ? |
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| 20:25.34 | moof2 | I'll cautiously say, sure, why not? |
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| 20:26.02 | truexfan81 | to run supybot-botchk for example one has to give it lots of info |
| 20:26.06 | moof2 | you're running the script which is just like running other things |
| 20:26.11 | truexfan81 | supybot-botchk --conffile=/home/philip/Jadzia/Jadzia.conf --botdir=/home/philip/Jadzia/ --pidfile=/home/philip/Jadzia/Jadzia.pid |
| 20:26.17 | truexfan81 | for example ^ |
| 20:26.45 | truexfan81 | when i put that in cron i got no emails or anything and the bot never started up |
| 20:26.57 | moof2 | is that for running the supybot and generating/reading the pid file |
| 20:26.58 | moof2 | ? |
| 20:27.07 | truexfan81 | but if i paste that into terminal the bot starts |
| 20:27.17 | ompaul | truexfan81: put in a path for that supybot-botchk |
| 20:27.19 | moof2 | is the pid file there in that case? |
| 20:27.24 | truexfan81 | moof2: correct |
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| 20:28.02 | moof2 | you should put an echo in that script to make sure it does email you |
| 20:28.04 | truexfan81 | moof2: when the bot is running the pid file is there, the script will detect it and stop running, if the script doesn't find the pid file it launches the bot |
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| 20:28.32 | ompaul | truexfan81: and the bot is not running atm? |
| 20:28.33 | moof2 | so it's like a toggle switch? |
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| 20:28.39 | truexfan81 | ompaul: correct |
| 20:28.58 | truexfan81 | uses the nick Jadzia |
| 20:29.10 | ompaul | truexfan81: environments are needed - make sure they are there |
| 20:29.17 | ompaul | for all things in your script |
| 20:29.18 | moof2 | the cuter dax? |
| 20:29.23 | ompaul | cront knows nothing of them |
| 20:29.27 | ompaul | assume cront knows nothing of them |
| 20:30.21 | truexfan81 | ompaul: for that one i have */5 * * * * /usr/local/bin/supybot-botchk --arguments here |
| 20:30.46 | moof2 | by default a cron job will unset a lot of env vars, I think it sets two, to default values... that's old info tho, and so you should check the man page for the crond |
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| 20:31.40 | ompaul | truexfan81: ah do it all in one script that looks after it all and don't have dependant things in your cron |
| 20:31.48 | ompaul | you will confuse yourself and your machine |
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| 20:32.18 | moof2 | sounds like that could spawn more than one bot |
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| 20:32.39 | ompaul | and go around killing itself |
| 20:32.43 | truexfan81 | yeah the supybot-botchk is supposed to be able to be run in cron that was the point of it and why it looks for a pid file not sure why it won't on my machine |
| 20:32.43 | ompaul | it would have great fun |
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| 20:32.55 | drasko | hi all. Whaich is current Debian testin? Jessie? |
| 20:33.01 | drasko | *which |
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| 20:33.10 | ompaul | frikinz: yes lower case j |
| 20:33.13 | ompaul | woops |
| 20:33.21 | ompaul | drasko: : yes lower case j |
| 20:33.26 | moof2 | yeah, jessie is testing |
| 20:33.32 | ompaul | frikinz: sorry |
| 20:33.37 | moof2 | and not texting |
| 20:33.49 | truexfan81 | moof2: no, it will not launch more than one if you give it the correct paths it will find the bot's pid see its running, and end until cron runs it again |
| 20:33.50 | drasko | yes, just found it. Ok, it's time for dist-upgrade ;) |
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| 20:34.44 | moof2 | drasko, jessie is pretty new... it may or may not be ready for prime time players... |
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| 20:36.28 | drasko | moof2, few broken packages will not hurt, as long as dist-upgrade does not break everything... |
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| 20:37.38 | moof2 | well you must know the deal: bring the dist you're running up to date first |
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| 20:38.13 | moof2 | if not, you're just asking for trouble :) |
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| 20:45.54 | HelenaKitty | wait... I got a better channel to ask this nvm |
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| 20:50.59 | n1k11 | how to disable bios on password on Lenovo Thinkpad R500 |
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| 20:54.33 | monod | bios password? n1k11 |
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| 20:59.11 | moof2 | can you get into the bios? |
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| 20:59.33 | moof2 | I guess you'd do it from some bios setting |
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| 21:00.57 | n1k11 | i bued second hand laptop and when i turn it on its asking password |
| 21:02.16 | Vicissitude | bios password or os password? |
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| 21:03.31 | farciarz84 | hi my battery is not charging, acpi Battery 0: Unknown, 9% |
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| 21:03.38 | farciarz84 | hp wheezy |
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| 21:03.59 | farciarz84 | all time i see 10% |
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| 21:04.48 | sharky | farciarz84, there should be an LED lighting somewhere to show if the hardware is charging your battery |
| 21:04.57 | n1k11 | bios |
| 21:05.24 | n1k11 | power on password |
| 21:05.36 | n1k11 | i dont know how its called |
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| 21:05.55 | Vicissitude | last time that happened to me, I just took the cmos battery out for awhile |
| 21:06.01 | sharky | farciarz84, is your battery new or old, the break after about 2-3 years or at least that is my experience with laptop batteries |
| 21:06.02 | n1k11 | when i turn it on, thinkpad ask password whitch i dont knoe |
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| 21:06.37 | n1k11 | <Vicissitude>; i try it |
| 21:06.50 | n1k11 | didnt work |
| 21:06.57 | farciarz84 | sharky: new |
| 21:07.19 | farciarz84 | sharky: it is definitely os problem |
| 21:07.59 | sharky | farciarz84, well I am not sure, the charger is actually hardware and the os just shows you status |
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| 21:09.38 | farciarz84 | ok I check some bios settings mabye there is battery test |
| 21:09.44 | farciarz84 | cu |
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| 21:10.16 | sharky | it may show you wrong status or so that would be software problem, of the readings |
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| 21:24.21 | blackjack | sometimes i still see an instance of my connection when i get disconnected and reconnect again |
| 21:25.10 | blackjack | my question is, can i resume to that state? for example i left it reading manuals. I type 'w', and its still there. Is there a way to resume to that? |
| 21:25.29 | blackjack | thats on a vps |
| 21:25.41 | ompaul | blackjack: if you ssh in and then run screen |
| 21:25.48 | ompaul | you can resume that session with screen -r |
| 21:26.07 | ompaul | if you have several screens then you do it by pid which it tells you about when you do ssh -r |
| 21:26.10 | ompaul | !tias |
| 21:26.10 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 21:27.15 | catsup | with screen, use -xRR for autoguessing which session |
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| 21:28.06 | catsup | actually, you can set screen as your login shell, it's a good idea |
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| 21:28.40 | ompaul | keep a backup user in case something goes wrong with screen but that is a good idea |
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| 21:30.34 | blackjack | ompaul, no not running screen. i mean just the TTY |
| 21:30.47 | catsup | blackjack: then you're screwed |
| 21:30.53 | blackjack | lol |
| 21:31.01 | catsup | all you're going to get is people telling you what you should have done |
| 21:31.06 | ompaul | blackjack: see what we said - we may have said it cos we know something at a guess :) |
| 21:31.19 | blackjack | i was just curious if i can go back to it. Maybe its still not making a timeout of that connection i made earlier. |
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| 21:31.33 | ompaul | blackjack: kill -9 it and get on with your life :) |
| 21:31.43 | catsup | it's theoretically possible, but it's not going to happen |
| 21:32.09 | ompaul | this side of the collapse of the sun |
| 21:32.21 | catsup | you'd basically have to inject code into the running binary to get the tty |
| 21:32.26 | blackjack | lol ompaul. i was just curious if it still can be resumed like screen |
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| 21:32.59 | catsup | blackjack: the linux kernel does not make that possible (except by injecting code like i said) |
| 21:33.00 | blackjack | it was a root login i made, now im on user. and i still see the root logged in |
| 21:33.01 | monod | ..hello |
| 21:33.30 | monod | (trying dpkgbot first) |
| 21:33.35 | blackjack | thats bad topic catsup thats already hacking. |
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| 21:33.50 | blackjack | we dont tolerate such illegal stuff here |
| 21:34.19 | blackjack | but thanks. i get the picture now :) |
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| 21:34.48 | catsup | :) |
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| 21:37.48 | linuxthefish | does anyone know anything about making nginx work properly? |
| 21:39.17 | linuxthefish | i get "File not found. " when running php stuff |
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| 21:40.23 | blackjack | guys if i typed 'fail2ban-regex /var/log/auth.log root' what will that mean? |
| 21:40.44 | blackjack | will that output all the lines with that word? :/ |
| 21:41.02 | blackjack | i read the manual i still cant quite get it |
| 21:42.03 | ompaul | blackjack: I explained why that was a bad idea so I guess I'm off no help to you from this point. |
| 21:43.00 | monod | looks like this night I'll be able to enjoy my wheezy computer :) |
| 21:43.42 | blackjack | ompaul, sorry i have poor comprehension |
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| 21:44.16 | blackjack | i was under the impression that both the sshd securing and fail2ban are good points in security |
| 21:44.30 | monod | shouldn't I be safer putting "stable" in sources.list instead of wheezy so that I always have a stable debian distro? (since I'm not quite the right user for the testing one?) |
| 21:44.42 | ompaul | why are you allowing password logins at all ... |
| 21:45.07 | blackjack | i share them with some friends too ompaul |
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| 21:45.15 | ompaul | bad idea |
| 21:45.17 | blackjack | they should be able to access it as well |
| 21:45.19 | blackjack | why |
| 21:45.31 | ompaul | you trust these people not to abuse your trust? |
| 21:45.43 | blackjack | yes because we all paid for it :D |
| 21:45.54 | blackjack | hmmm you think those friends are not close friends of mine? hehe |
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| 21:46.10 | ompaul | everyone should be using ssh keys |
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| 21:46.32 | ompaul | and there I'll leave it |
| 21:46.38 | blackjack | im done with that ompaul. i was just asking about how to view fail2ban logs |
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| 21:47.00 | Vicissitude | there's a log viewer |
| 21:47.01 | blackjack | and curious if its working. because last time i read my auth.log manually using more command. i saw many attempts |
| 21:47.37 | blackjack | mostly china and thailand |
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| 21:47.44 | blackjack | with some russia ips |
| 21:48.42 | blackjack | Vicissitude whats that log viewer? |
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| 21:49.21 | Vicissitude | oh, sorry. was just checking xfce has a log file viewer in the System submenu |
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| 21:50.21 | blackjack | i see |
| 21:50.30 | blackjack | ill try to see that xfce as well |
| 21:52.44 | TSR | Apt-get install php5 is returning errors. |
| 21:52.48 | Vicissitude | I'd be surprised if others (gnome, lxde, kde, etc) don't have a similar function |
| 21:53.18 | TSR | S/errors/404s |
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| 21:57.40 | Brigo | Th0masR0ss: may be the server are updating the repo. Try another repo or wait and make apt-get updage again |
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| 21:57.59 | Th0masR0ss | Oh sorry. I needed to apt-get update. |
| 21:58.15 | Brigo | Th0masR0ss: :-) |
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| 22:11.08 | blackjack | guys i saw many lines of this one on my auth.log |
| 22:11.10 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/w4MqZ4jm |
| 22:11.15 | blackjack | Is this normal thing? |
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| 22:16.16 | blackjack | hello |
| 22:16.56 | Skaag | is there a parameter I can pass to debuild to make it compile using multiple cpu cores? |
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| 22:18.51 | catsup | is it possible to make 'sudo mount [...]' call a wrapper specified in sudoers, instead of the real /bin/mount? |
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| 22:25.59 | michalsykora | hi. i am using debian on VIA C3 800MHz, making a fileserver, cpu is limiting my transfer speed to 16MBit on GLAN, HDD idle 3/4 of the time, what is the most CPU efficient ftp / ssh server ? |
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| 22:27.42 | blackjack | ofcourse michalsykora most would say core i7 |
| 22:28.45 | phix | michalsykora: perhaps slotting in another NIC and HDD controller card that does onboard processing? |
| 22:30.12 | michalsykora | this is update work for my school, which already has 4 machines, that used windows embeded, pretty old, but not compatible with newer macs that we use in music studio, we would like to update FTP to SFTP, but it depends on CPU even more.. 3MBit only on SFTP |
| 22:30.56 | alfplayer | is it really that bad? it's not a driver problem or something else? |
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| 22:31.09 | catsup | there's no way that the ssh server process is the bottleneck on a 800MHz machine |
| 22:33.04 | catsup | i mean, the cpu in that process |
| 22:33.39 | catsup | michalsykora: what speed do you get when you create a tmpfs and use ssh to transfer from one directory on the tmpfs to another? |
| 22:33.49 | catsup | i.e., ssh back to localhost. use tmpfs, not disk. |
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| 22:35.04 | michalsykora | when copying to the server, fileserve process is taking 85+% of the cpu |
| 22:35.35 | michalsykora | it has 256MB of ram, so no way.. |
| 22:35.42 | catsup | that does not mean it's the bottleneck |
| 22:35.45 | catsup | what do you mean no way |
| 22:35.56 | catsup | create a 50MB tmpfs and test a 20MB file transfer |
| 22:36.07 | michalsykora | ok, ill try |
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| 22:36.15 | catsup | i'm going, but do this test, then you will have good data. later. |
| 22:36.40 | michalsykora | thanks so far |
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| 22:40.28 | Darmok_atTanagra | high |
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| 22:43.27 | h4b0 | hi gusy |
| 22:43.33 | h4b0 | i have problem with grabkey |
| 22:43.41 | h4b0 | i want to make own shourtcut |
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| 22:44.18 | h4b0 | anyone know XGrabKey function in X11? |
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| 22:59.15 | blackjack | hello |
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| 22:59.27 | blackjack | is this normal to be seen on a auth.log file? |
| 22:59.29 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/w4MqZ4jm |
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| 23:02.01 | Sulfurix | yes |
| 23:02.06 | Sulfurix | it's PAM |
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| 23:02.26 | h4b0 | sulfurix |
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| 23:02.34 | h4b0 | do u know programming? |
| 23:02.51 | Sulfurix | smmsp is a dummy user set up to send mail blak |
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| 23:02.53 | Sulfurix | blackjack: |
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| 23:03.31 | Sulfurix | Why do you have a shitload of them tho? |
| 23:03.47 | h4b0 | anyone see me :D? |
| 23:03.57 | Sulfurix | h4b0: eh, trying to learn, but i find it easier to play with linux |
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| 23:04.17 | h4b0 | huh |
| 23:04.19 | h4b0 | kk |
| 23:05.03 | Sulfurix | lol? do you have to be a programmer to use linux now? |
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| 23:08.10 | h4b0 | i want to write simple app on linux |
| 23:08.17 | h4b0 | and i stuck with global hotkey |
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| 23:12.43 | monod | apt-get dist-upgrade showed me a blue screen with a box |
| 23:12.56 | monod | notifying some issues with ati drivers |
| 23:13.19 | monod | when I pressed enter nothing happened - I was supposed to press the Ok button |
| 23:13.39 | monod | not knowing what to do, since no key would work, I've tried C-z |
| 23:13.45 | monod | then fg |
| 23:13.51 | monod | guess what? can see anything more |
| 23:14.05 | monod | is there a way to resume the dist-upgrade? |
| 23:14.11 | monod | (from squeeze to wheezy) |
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| 23:20.18 | grok0 | h4b0, you can use Qt's RegisterHotKey |
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| 23:20.38 | h4b0 | hmm |
| 23:20.49 | h4b0 | probably not |
| 23:21.40 | h4b0 | libqxt? |
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| 23:22.22 | grok0 | h4b0, libqt4 |
| 23:22.34 | h4b0 | iam using qt5 |
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| 23:23.54 | grok0 | h4b0, sorry, not familiar with 5; it works fine in 4: see goldendict |
| 23:24.45 | h4b0 | :( |
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| 23:39.28 | blackjack | <Sulfurix> Why do you have a shitload of them tho? <-- thats what i want to ask too :/ any idea |
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| 23:40.04 | Sulfurix | did you set up anything to automail |
| 23:40.30 | blackjack | im on default install of debian 7 |
| 23:40.37 | blackjack | maybe it is setup like that? |
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| 23:41.40 | Sulfurix | nah never had a default setup like that |
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| 23:43.36 | blackjack | 7.1 rather |
| 23:43.47 | blackjack | Sulfurix: is it so redundant? |
| 23:44.02 | blackjack | i mean, how PAM acts |
| 23:44.10 | blackjack | and smmsp |
| 23:44.12 | Sulfurix | PAM just does as it's told |
| 23:44.29 | Sulfurix | what kind of service do you run that sends mail? |
| 23:44.43 | blackjack | maybe fail2ban does it? |
| 23:44.59 | Sulfurix | did you config it to send you mail everytiume pam does something |
| 23:45.05 | Sulfurix | and it loops or something? |
| 23:45.16 | blackjack | no i havent done anything about mail yet |
| 23:45.24 | blackjack | just installed the basics. |
| 23:45.27 | Sulfurix | check if you can turn it off |
| 23:45.31 | blackjack | just to run znc |
| 23:45.43 | blackjack | hmmm |
| 23:45.49 | Sulfurix | or just fuck the users PAM access up |
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| 23:46.12 | blackjack | what does PAM access do anyway? |
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| 23:46.19 | blackjack | does it open some port? |
| 23:46.26 | blackjack | like sshd does? |
| 23:46.30 | Sulfurix | automatically gives root access to programs that requires it |
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| 23:46.32 | Sulfurix | it's legit |
| 23:46.56 | blackjack | oh so thats essential. i need not to mess up with that |
| 23:47.02 | Sulfurix | yes |
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| 23:47.19 | Sulfurix | Seems like you need to fuck with your mail settings |
| 23:47.33 | Sulfurix | Hell, if it was me, and it was just a box for a ZNC |
| 23:47.41 | Sulfurix | i'd delete the user smmtps |
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| 23:48.07 | blackjack | myst of the auth.log ive seen are just failed logins and most of those that i pasted in the pastebin |
| 23:48.10 | blackjack | most* |
| 23:48.23 | Sulfurix | do "cat /etc/passwd" |
| 23:48.26 | Sulfurix | is it listed there |
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| 23:48.44 | Sulfurix | i changed from port 22, now i havent had a single china-attack |
| 23:49.04 | Sulfurix | i used to get a SHITLOAD before |
| 23:49.17 | Sulfurix | due to me running the box on a .xxx domain i'm sure |
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| 23:50.09 | Konomi | I was still getting hits on other ports |
| 23:50.18 | blackjack | is it ok to delete this two? |
| 23:50.23 | blackjack | smmta:x:104:109:Mail Transfer Agent,,,:/var/lib/sendmail:/bin/false |
| 23:50.23 | Konomi | fail2ban is the best way to go with account names that are not common |
| 23:50.23 | blackjack | smmsp:x:105:110:Mail Submission Program,,,:/var/lib/sendmail:/bin/false |
| 23:50.44 | Sulfurix | deluser smmsp |
| 23:50.58 | blackjack | how about smmta |
| 23:51.21 | Sulfurix | nah |
| 23:51.28 | Sulfurix | you got smmsp all over your log |
| 23:52.09 | blackjack | Sulfurix, you always delete smmsp as well? |
| 23:52.25 | Sulfurix | let me check my main box, im on my testing box now |
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| 23:52.51 | Sulfurix | yeah, i apparantly deleted it |
| 23:53.04 | blackjack | i was just asking because i dont know the function of smmsp. I thought i needed it somehow |
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| 23:53.35 | Sulfurix | Wait, i think i remember something about fucking sendmail |
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| 23:53.53 | Sulfurix | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.bugs.dist/0pjUi7JC8bU |
| 23:53.55 | Sulfurix | yeah thats it |
| 23:54.07 | blackjack | but if its being abused by someone, i might as well delete it |
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| 23:54.19 | Sulfurix | do you really need your box to mail you? |
| 23:54.21 | Sulfurix | no |
| 23:54.23 | Sulfurix | delete it |
| 23:54.25 | blackjack | no |
| 23:54.26 | blackjack | yes |
| 23:54.28 | blackjack | okay |
| 23:54.54 | Sulfurix | Sure i could google and offer a fanbcy solution and just fix something you wont need |
| 23:54.59 | Sulfurix | but this is much easier |
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| 23:58.29 | Sulfurix | actually, ill paste you the userlist of my primary box |
| 23:59.18 | Sulfurix | http://pastebin.com/1XCGGL1R |
| 23:59.38 | Sulfurix | So "news" and avahi needs to go |
| 23:59.46 | Sulfurix | i guess, i need to do some researcg |