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| 00:01.19 | Sulfurix | Nah, if it aint broke, dont fix it. |
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| 00:03.05 | blackjack | ok |
| 00:03.15 | blackjack | same ideology here too |
| 00:03.18 | blackjack | i was just really curious |
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| 00:04.08 | sgalvez | im pretty sure this has been answered by now , but...www.debian.org is down right? |
| 00:04.25 | Sulfurix | no |
| 00:04.27 | sgalvez | or I must pay my internet bills |
| 00:04.37 | Sulfurix | debian.org is up |
| 00:04.59 | sgalvez | there it is.... i was having problems just 5 min ago... |
| 00:05.00 | sgalvez | anyway |
| 00:05.48 | Sulfurix | yeah i have dns problems too some times |
| 00:06.02 | Sulfurix | I live in the woods, with a wireless dish... |
| 00:06.07 | Sulfurix | and several UPS's |
| 00:06.18 | Sulfurix | because of the powerouts |
| 00:06.30 | Sulfurix | not as in satelite dish, but a mini mini dish |
| 00:06.36 | ImaLamer | sounds like you could use a cacheing DNS server |
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| 00:06.51 | Sulfurix | Yeah i thought about it, but meh |
| 00:06.55 | Sulfurix | it's not THAT often. |
| 00:08.06 | Sulfurix | Right now im wondering about the best program to let's say, set up 8 outdoor cameraes |
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| 00:08.23 | Sulfurix | And ofc it will be written to its own encrypted disk |
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| 00:09.02 | Sulfurix | And get a sign that sign that says "Beware of dog, the owner is shady as fuck too" |
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| 00:11.24 | Sulfurix | or dog is ok beware of the owner |
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| 01:11.43 | Freze | Hi what does << do? Is it used for input redirection or is that only < |
| 01:11.56 | id10t | any there any linux certifications that focus on using debian? are there any linux certifications that are worth squat aside from the redhat offerings? |
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| 01:12.45 | id10t | Freze: only one < for input redirection |
| 01:13.11 | id10t | Freze: one > for stdout redirection, clobbering the file if it exists (unless it is /dev/null) |
| 01:13.37 | Freze | id10t, what about << |
| 01:13.37 | id10t | Freze: and >> for stdout redirection w/ append instead of clobber |
| 01:13.48 | id10t | Freze: not used afaik |
| 01:14.03 | Freze | I've seen it used as follows cat > hello.txt << EOF |
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| 01:14.43 | cast | works fine in bash |
| 01:14.55 | id10t | Freze: ah, keep reading until the label EOF is reached |
| 01:15.40 | id10t | Freze: so if you have a multi line chunk to echo you can basically say "keep echoing and reading and echoing until you read this label" |
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| 01:15.53 | Freze | id10t, I see, how come it has to be on the same line? I.e it has to written as cat > hello.txt << EOF |
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| 01:17.28 | id10t | Freze: furhter down in the file either you'll find a label, or you'll reach the end of file... i'm not sure if EOF is reserved to always reference the end of a file or if it is being used as a label... i've seen it in the middle of a shell script though, so it was used as a label then.... |
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| 01:19.30 | Freze | id10t: ooh it's a bash script thing |
| 01:19.36 | Freze | got it |
| 01:19.39 | olga_ | Hello. So we're still tuning our ftp server (vsftpd) and I have this question: If writing to HDD is ~60mbps and lan speed is 128mbps, why is ftp speed ~16mpbs? Whats the difference between writing data to disk and writing data to ethernet? Why is it slower and vsftp is throttling the cpu? |
| 01:19.40 | th0r | Freze: are you getting the same info in #ubuntu? |
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| 01:20.02 | id10t | Freze: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2500436/how-does-cat-eof-work-in-bash |
| 01:20.54 | id10t | olga_: there is overhead in network transactions for source/destination, routing, etc. |
| 01:20.56 | Freze | yeah |
| 01:20.58 | Freze | got it resolved |
| 01:20.59 | Freze | now |
| 01:21.02 | Freze | thanks |
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| 01:21.41 | olga_ | id10t, so, basically this speed on a 486 800MHz cpu is normal and i cant get it higher? |
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| 01:22.29 | id10t | olga_: don't forget that you may be mixing megabits and megabytes, or the tools you are using to display i/o are mixing them. |
| 01:23.27 | id10t | olga_: and i'm jealous of your 800mhz 486 - mine was only 33mhz... but I had 8 whole mb of ram |
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| 01:23.50 | olga_ | id10t, but i cant get it any faster anyway, right? |
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| 01:25.53 | id10t | olga_: you may be able to, by shaping/prioritizing network traffic. |
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| 01:30.18 | cast | olga_: try testing with netcat/socat |
| 01:33.12 | Freze | echo << EOF | sort (and then enter c enter b enter a enter EOF) doesn't work? But using cat does, why? In the man pages both cat and echo write to the standard output |
| 01:35.46 | cast | echo prints out its arguments to stdout |
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| 01:36.17 | cast | cat reads from somewhere [a file listed as an argument, stdin] and prints that to stdout |
| 01:36.28 | cast | consider the difference between echo /etc/passwd and cat /etc/passwd |
| 01:39.11 | Tramp | Freze: they both write to stdout, but they don't both read stdin |
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| 01:42.41 | Freze | yea but cat with no command reads from stdin |
| 01:42.47 | Freze | commands* |
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| 01:44.19 | `26 | has anyone ever attempted root over sshfs? |
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| 01:48.42 | id10t | `26: maybe with some sort of chroot? or tftp network boot over a vpn? |
| 01:49.32 | `26 | id10t: in case I was confusing, I really mean root over readonly sshfs + aufs. |
| 01:50.11 | id10t | `26: you'd need one heck of an initrd file :) |
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| 02:09.12 | xantiol | I did dpkg-buildpackage for a source package that I modified |
| 02:09.52 | xantiol | I see that it is recommended to do |
| 02:09.54 | xantiol | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 02:10.11 | xantiol | should I stop and redo? |
| 02:10.20 | xantiol | this build is said to take 4 hours |
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| 02:16.13 | Tommis_ | While undertaking yet another home improvement project I have unfortunately gotten some fiberglass insulation in my left eye. Its driving me wild! I've tried flushing it out using an eye cup. I've tried flushing it out by running water across the eye. I've even tried flushing it out using the shower head. Nothing seems to work. I can't see anything in the eye but I sure can feel it there! Anyone have any experiance with this? |
| 02:16.51 | dougwiser | yes I do |
| 02:17.08 | dougwiser | how much did you get in the eye |
| 02:17.38 | dougwiser | generally it is just annoying |
| 02:17.47 | dougwiser | but in the eye you may need to see the doc |
| 02:18.12 | dougwiser | it is probably already gone from your eye but the scratches are irratating your eye |
| 02:19.03 | dougwiser | when i worked with fiberglass, it was annoying till I got used to it, then it was less of a problem but I never got it in my eye |
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| 02:24.10 | DammitJim | is there something special I need to set so that when I turn off my monitor and then turn it back on, that my video card displays the desktop? |
| 02:24.38 | dougwiser | like turning the screen saver off? |
| 02:24.40 | Tommis_ | "I was a licensed asbestos handler and in the classes I took to get licensed we discussed fiberglass insulation. Fiberglass insulation is horrible for our lungs. Every single fiberglass fiber has a razor-sharp hook on each end and when inhaled puts a permanent scar on the lung." |
| 02:24.42 | DammitJim | for some reason, after powering off the monitor and turning it back on, the computer is not picking up the signal (hdmi) |
| 02:24.50 | DammitJim | no, there is no screensaver |
| 02:24.55 | DammitJim | nor blanking |
| 02:25.29 | DammitJim | to be more specific, this is a laptop connected via DP to HDMI to an AVR, which is connected to a TV |
| 02:25.49 | DammitJim | when I turn off the AVR, all hell breaks loose and I can't get the laptop to display anything on the screen |
| 02:26.05 | DammitJim | but the desktop I had before (but running squeeze) never had this problem |
| 02:26.18 | DammitJim | so, either there was a change between squeeze and wheezy |
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| 02:26.27 | DammitJim | or this DP-HDMI thing is screwing me |
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| 02:57.59 | future28 | Hi, does anyone using gnome3 experience hanging (can switch to other tty's and operate mouse) |
| 02:58.08 | future28 | Just as if the screen itself is hanging |
| 02:58.20 | rawburt | what is the proper way to restart networking now? after I've edited /etc/network/intefaces? |
| 02:59.03 | future28 | rawburt: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 02:59.07 | future28 | AFAIK |
| 02:59.20 | rawburt | future28: it gives a warning that that is deprecated |
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| 03:02.20 | future28 | rawburt: service networking restart |
| 03:03.52 | rawburt | future28: still get the warning :/ |
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| 03:04.24 | xantiol | how do I change the source of a source package? |
| 03:04.41 | xantiol | I tried and it told me to do dpkg-source --commit |
| 03:05.00 | xantiol | and now it want me to save a patch file |
| 03:05.06 | xantiol | WTF? |
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| 03:05.45 | emily_ | hi |
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| 03:06.16 | emily_ | i'm looking for a scheduler |
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| 03:07.39 | future28 | rawburt: I don't know anything else, sorry. |
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| 03:08.26 | rawburt | future28: no apologies, thank you for your help! |
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| 03:09.07 | emily_ | something where i can schedule for multiple people |
| 03:11.44 | xantiol | anyone know dpkg-source? |
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| 03:14.09 | swampdragon | I think I've uncovered a bug in XKB. In Wheezy when Mousekeys are enabled, and when a MouseMove operation is happening (due to autorepeat), no other keypresses are accepted. |
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| 03:15.55 | swampdragon | Squeeze->Wheezy xkb data had very few changes, and only with non-US keymaps. |
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| 03:16.40 | VZ2ShaeC | question: i have an older PC that cannot handle the cutsy junk of kde 4 and the latest gnome. I am dwnloading the debian 5.0.10 images, do i need the ISOs that say debian-update-5.0.10...? |
| 03:17.11 | cusco | hello |
| 03:17.34 | VZ2ShaeC | hi, how are you? |
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| 03:18.06 | epsilon | VZ2ShaeC: don't use version 5, it's not supprted anymore |
| 03:18.23 | spacebison | VZ2ShaeC: Install xfce |
| 03:18.32 | epsilon | use current stable version and a simple desktop |
| 03:19.04 | swampdragon | I personally use openbox, fbpanel, rox-filer desktop. take or leave the desktop |
| 03:19.36 | cusco | good than you |
| 03:19.52 | cusco | VZ2ShaeC: try lxde |
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| 03:20.06 | cusco | always use the latest stable |
| 03:20.07 | cusco | at least |
| 03:20.17 | swampdragon | I've got a roommate who absolutely cannot use a mouse, and is no longer able to play any games with the broken xorg 1.12 |
| 03:20.55 | VZ2ShaeC | also, how to hadle software installs in a GUI environment with the debian 6? on another PC that could take 6.x i tried to use the software centre option and it kept telling me that it could not download from the DVD source when it installed from there just fine and so on and so on. that machine is not connected to internet. |
| 03:21.24 | kanliot | VZ2ShaeC, synaptic software center? |
| 03:22.16 | VZ2ShaeC | i'm usure, it's in gnome on the applications enu also in the system > administration menu as "Software Centre" |
| 03:23.55 | blackjack | Guys, does fail2ban set limit on how long a user or root user remain logged in on the shell? Because after i install it, i cant idle for hours in my shell anymore, i always get disconnected automtically like an error happened. but the shell still online |
| 03:23.59 | VZ2ShaeC | furthermore, i've got another pc that's failing iserable with install saying it's missing firmware and not connected to the net. all my linx boxes are not net connected for security reasons. they're on only a private LAN so they can communicate internally but that's that. |
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| 03:24.55 | epsilon | VZ2ShaeC: run a local debian mirror |
| 03:25.18 | cusco | or could use a proxy .. |
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| 03:25.26 | cusco | some other box inthe lan that has internet access |
| 03:25.30 | cusco | serve as a apt proxy |
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| 03:26.22 | VZ2ShaeC | also a really nasty problem i keep running into is VMWare workstation 7.1 has no debian 6 support. it's a requirement that we use 7.1 on windows at work. sadly because I.T. has no budget for the costly upgrade. or that's what they're telling me anyway |
| 03:27.30 | blackjack | i got a general question, are the local debian mirror sites, the website itselfs, what servers are they hosted, is it debian too? |
| 03:28.35 | epsilon | doesn't care, it's just http/rsync/ftp |
| 03:28.42 | cusco | servers hosting mirrors might not be debian |
| 03:29.01 | VZ2ShaeC | OK, so dedicate one machine out of two as a miror for all the contents of 8 DVD's... that's a lot to pull down the pipe at once... my Mom will kill me for squeezing the life out of our internet for like 6-12+ hours :( hey, comcast vursus virgin mobile broadband... you take your pick... |
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| 03:29.25 | blackjack | <cusco> servers hosting mirrors might not be debian <-- thats a shame then. Should be debian, debian is good. |
| 03:29.26 | spacebison | You only need the first DVD for the install. |
| 03:30.00 | cusco | blackjack: that is up to the party mirroring... |
| 03:30.05 | cusco | freedom of choice :) |
| 03:30.07 | spacebison | VZ2ShaeC: Is there anything special you plan to install or run on them? |
| 03:30.25 | epsilon | mirrors are usualy hosting many distros, kernel, other projects |
| 03:30.57 | VZ2ShaeC | I dont have a list... I just go and grab things as i determine i need them (games, GUI desktop environments, media players, office apps...) |
| 03:31.00 | blackjack | is it also good to go into the mirror business thing epsilon? |
| 03:32.22 | VZ2ShaeC | all fro the DVD's as when i grab the *deb files and double click on one from the gui, and follow the packeage installer that popps up... i always wind up with "cannot install package." after sever downloads and the like |
| 03:33.11 | cusco | sources.list can point to the dvd pool |
| 03:33.15 | cusco | not sure how to, tho |
| 03:33.29 | cusco | I guess the graphical interface you're refering to has a ption to scan the cd/dvd |
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| 03:34.34 | VZ2ShaeC | and like i said at work it's a requirement for workstation 7.1 and and 7.1+ debian 6.x+ don't get along. also the GIO i'm using gets it's package sources from when i installed from scratch... |
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| 03:36.45 | kyconquers | I am trying to install netflix desktop on my debian testing box http://www.skybert.net/debian/netflix-on-debian-wheezy-64bit/ but I keep having a problem with installing the dependency wine-browser-installer. |
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| 03:38.11 | VZ2ShaeC | anyone know of a VMWare workstation 7.1 like program that offers *portable* VM's so that we just stick the *.vmx and *.vmdk files on a protable hdd and be off and running no atter what machine we sit at? i mean if I start at work, continue at home, then wind up at a friends hous the importing and exxporting of vm files can get harry to say te least |
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| 03:39.55 | VZ2ShaeC | virtual box is one of the worst like that and i've gotten yelled at from I.T. at work, and several friends over me "cluttering up their VM list with VM/s that have no business hanging around after I'm done on their computer" |
| 03:41.09 | spacebison | heh, I'd yell at you too. |
| 03:41.42 | VZ2ShaeC | lol i'd yell at me too |
| 03:41.50 | frostschutz | funny, i thought each user had their own vm list |
| 03:42.03 | spacebison | It's usually a good idea to keep home and work stuff separate. |
| 03:42.13 | VZ2ShaeC | that's wy they like VMWare at work. sadly, VMWare is only copatable witn VMWare |
| 03:42.51 | VZ2ShaeC | sadly, I do a lot of work from home as i work relotely ~ 75.0 percent of time |
| 03:43.29 | spacebison | If WMWare is hindering your production at work then you need to talk to your boss about having the requirements changed. |
| 03:44.07 | VZ2ShaeC | we try to support just about everything at my job, and as a result, we cannot have 50 million machines cluttering up our desks so VMWare is the technology of choice |
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| 03:45.53 | VZ2ShaeC | i'd persomally like to see a free of cost type one hyervisor that just runs a bare-bones GUI to create and run symultanious VM's without the overhead of windows and no special hardware requirements but t the same time to be able to save a VM to an external hdd for protability would be great. |
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| 03:46.51 | Aivaras | How can I check if I have any blocked ports on my server? |
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| 03:48.27 | VZ2ShaeC | as to say the OS and the hypervisor are one... like just enough windows to run and get the computer off and going and get VMWare going and operational and that's it... no extra processes for frivolous things like update checks and junk, just make all hardware work and run the hupervisor. simple clean secure |
| 03:49.25 | cusco | VZ2ShaeC: we tend to talk about debian here |
| 03:49.35 | cusco | you should try #vmware or alikes .... |
| 03:49.46 | VZ2ShaeC | OK, I'l stop ranting about my perfect hypervisor |
| 03:49.56 | cusco | Aivaras: what do mean about blocked ports? |
| 03:50.16 | cusco | blocked by your operating system? |
| 03:50.18 | Aivaras | cusco, I can't accses my znc, but it seams to be working :/ |
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| 03:50.34 | cusco | tried port scanning? |
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| 04:06.50 | `26 | I wish to export a single readonly NFS share on a specific port. Is there a way to avoid all the rpc crap? |
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| 04:08.02 | radcoes | "Basement apartment were illegal in Toronto before the 1990's. Was a good idea. Tends to be problems with noise and should be properly renovated and insulated preferable with heated floors." |
| 04:08.04 | radcoes | What's the noise problem? |
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| 04:17.39 | grn | hi |
| 04:18.23 | vyadhaka1 | I just installed wheezy on my desktop and the fans are running at full speed, is there a way to control fan speed? |
| 04:20.17 | Amgine_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fancontrol |
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| 04:23.11 | swampdragon | is an X extension a daunting project? |
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| 04:29.41 | namoamitabuddha | Is zpaq maintained now? |
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| 04:35.53 | vyadhaka1 | i cannot use pwmconfig to create the config file for fancontrol as there are no pwm-capable sensors on the MB, also when I run sensors command it does not return any fan speeds |
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| 05:02.27 | SM0TVI | Okay, so I ran into the same problem as last time I installed debian on a box. What is the way to install a mbr on a device, e.g. /dev/sdf |
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| 05:06.49 | Scar3cr0w | jesus |
| 05:06.51 | Scar3cr0w | :) |
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| 05:08.18 | mumpitze1 | SM0TVI: what data do you need in that MBR? |
| 05:08.31 | mumpitze1 | with debian installations, it's usually grub that resides there |
| 05:09.04 | SM0TVI | mumpitze1: Just the grub bootloader - I managed to install it on the USB stick I installed Wheezy from *facepalms* |
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| 05:09.29 | \\Mr_C\\ | if im in an ssh session, how do i make the screen come back from blanked screen remotely? |
| 05:09.39 | mumpitze1 | grub-install <disk device> like /dev/sda then |
| 05:10.16 | mumpitze1 | \\Mr_C\\: blanked how? the remote screenshare has nothing to do with ssh. and you should always have a promopt |
| 05:10.19 | mumpitze1 | *prompt |
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| 05:10.37 | mumpitze1 | remote screen rather. no share anywhere |
| 05:10.56 | \\Mr_C\\ | the screen is going blank on the monitor |
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| 05:11.03 | \\Mr_C\\ | i want it to come back |
| 05:11.06 | `26 | is there a way to disable hard link creation on a filesystem? |
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| 05:27.40 | khronosschoty | hey I was wondering if I understand this correctly: |
| 05:27.43 | khronosschoty | auto eth0 |
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| 05:27.44 | khronosschoty | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 05:27.45 | khronosschoty | iface eth0 inet static |
| 05:27.47 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.48 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.50 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.51 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.53 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.54 | khronosschoty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.04 | khronosschoty | NM |
| 05:29.06 | khronosschoty | sorry |
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| 05:43.09 | radcoes | " I was watching a TED talk video where a south African woman described having her clitoris removed in a coming-of-age ceremony. I was suddenly overwhelmed with anger for the same kind of genital mutilation being forced on me at just a few days old." |
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| 05:43.41 | radcoes | "he feelings where so strong they shocked me. Here there was someone talking about how horrible it was to have this thing done... and I agree of course... but Why is female genital mutilation illegal even in Africa and it is looked at as such a Horrible thing when male genital mutilation is completely acceptable? I cannot say how much this infuriated me. " |
| 05:43.42 | `26 | radcoes: #debian-offtopic? |
| 05:44.02 | phy1729 | he's spamming a couple of channels with the same junk |
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| 05:51.19 | Macius | how do i volunteer as a developer at debian? |
| 05:53.02 | Macius | all I could deduce is that first one has to become a maintainer, but that's done by getting support from a mentor |
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| 05:53.13 | Macius | who's a developer |
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| 05:56.49 | holycow | hi all |
| 05:56.58 | holycow | anyone here familiar with vlan config? |
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| 05:59.41 | holycow | lets say i have one wall jack / network connection per desk that terminates into a managed 24 port switch. Lets say that each desk has an 8 port managed switch. Let's say each desk has a voip phone. Let's say that the main 24 port switch has a vlan dedicated to the voip traffic. Each of the 8 port managed switches at the desk can do vlans and trunking. Can i setup two vlans on the 8 port switch, trunk the vlans over one sin |
| 05:59.54 | holycow | assuming that the voip vlan on the router is actually on the lan it self. |
| 05:59.56 | holycow | is that possible? |
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| 06:11.48 | socomm | holycow: #networking |
| 06:11.59 | socomm | holycow: and your question made my head spin |
| 06:12.47 | wolfez | socomm: It wil come allright :D |
| 06:13.26 | socomm | wolfez: heheh |
| 06:13.38 | socomm | probably sign i should go to bed |
| 06:13.48 | socomm | heads off |
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| 06:20.47 | funyun | hi. can anyone help me install plex media server on debian wheezy? |
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| 06:21.14 | funyun | should i use the .deb for ubuntu? or is there a better way? |
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| 06:29.58 | kanliot | if you have the deb, use that. gdebi is a gui that installs deb file automatically |
| 06:31.22 | khronosschoty | Hello, does anyone know a good guide on how to add more IPs. I have looked at a few. |
| 06:32.41 | epsilon | ip addr add <ip> dev <interface> |
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| 06:33.41 | funyun | kanliot: so using a ubuntu deb won't screw me up? |
| 06:33.49 | khronosschoty | thanks |
| 06:34.19 | khronosschoty | so when I add this. will I be able to use it for services such as vhosts or to have apache use the other IP. etc |
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| 06:36.08 | epsilon | you can tell apache to listen on which ip |
| 06:36.22 | epsilon | in each vhost section |
| 06:36.25 | kanliot | funyun, it should say if it can't install |
| 06:37.01 | kanliot | i hate to say it, but read the plex manual, support options |
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| 06:37.42 | khronosschoty | so if I do ip addr add <ip> dev eth0 this will add a second ip to the etho interface? or am I not understanding something? |
| 06:38.06 | epsilon | it will. check it using ip a |
| 06:38.16 | khronosschoty | thanks |
| 06:38.55 | funyun | kanliot: http://pastebin.com/rHucv2i3 |
| 06:39.57 | khronosschoty | so I should not have to restart the server or anything? should be good to go since it says the IP is there? |
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| 06:41.36 | funyun | kanliot: i installed the required packages and i get this "/var/lib/dpkg/info/plexmediaserver.postinst: line 33: start: command not found" |
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| 06:50.29 | kanliot | yeah i think i gave you bad info funyun. i googled that error it says it's specific to debian |
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| 06:58.43 | tqft | Hi, this is the best item I have managed to find on using a Samsung Galaxy S4 with a pc http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/46114/access-samsung-galaxy-s4-storage-and-sd-card-directly , I am after some good linux preferably debian specific advice & directions help appreciated, thanks |
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| 07:09.18 | netlar | What is the typical install size for Debian 7 |
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| 07:10.48 | lolgnu | netlar: as os or server? |
| 07:10.59 | netlar | as an OS |
| 07:11.24 | lolgnu | netlar: I am sure you can get an install on less than 100MB if you make an effort, but Id assume 1-4GB depending on the desktop enviroment |
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| 07:12.00 | netlar | Does not need to be really small, just was curious, and was thinking of getting Cinnamon |
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| 07:13.26 | kanliot | so you mean like partition size? |
| 07:13.29 | lolgnu | netlar: It really depends on what you install, kde and gnome can take up a lot of space |
| 07:14.40 | netlar | kanliot: Yes want to know what to make the system install partition size |
| 07:15.31 | netlar | Want to leave as much space as I can for data and files without running into space problens for the OS |
| 07:15.42 | kanliot | how many apps will you install? |
| 07:15.58 | kanliot | you could get by with 60gb but go with twice that |
| 07:16.19 | kanliot | if you install nothing 15 is fine |
| 07:16.35 | kanliot | btw i am not an expert |
| 07:16.47 | netlar | kanliot: So you are saying 120gb then? |
| 07:17.31 | kanliot | i'm saying i went past 40 gb pretty fast |
| 07:17.40 | kanliot | so at least 80 for u |
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| 07:18.08 | netlar | kanliot: well I can change the partition size at any time right? |
| 07:18.21 | kanliot | i am not an expert |
| 07:18.25 | netlar | ok |
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| 07:46.41 | marcusk | netlar: You can, and it's very easy to to if you use LVM. |
| 07:47.34 | marcusk | netlar: You just run lvextend on the lv, and then resize the file system with xfs_growfs or whatever other file systems use. |
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| 07:51.06 | netlar | marcusk: thanks |
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| 08:12.43 | silv3r_m00n | can i install packages from launchpad ppa on debian ? |
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| 08:14.39 | funyun | hi. can anyone help me figure out what parent app is running a dnsserver on port 53? |
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| 08:17.39 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: netstat -t -n | grep 53 |
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| 08:18.28 | marcusk | silv3r_m00n: possibly, it would depend on how much they depend on ubuntu-specifics. |
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| 08:18.43 | silv3r_m00n | marcusk: hmm |
| 08:20.33 | silv3r_m00n | marcusk: is there any relation between a specific version of ubuntu and a version of debian ? |
| 08:20.34 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: not listing anything running port :53 |
| 08:21.05 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: netstat -u -n -a -p |
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| 08:22.01 | marcusk | silv3r_m00n: No not really |
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| 08:22.06 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: you have to run with root privileges to see the process name too, sudo netstat -u -n -a -p |
| 08:22.18 | silv3r_m00n | then first check if port 53 is at all open by doing telnet localhost 53 |
| 08:22.25 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* 2585/named |
| 08:22.37 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: there you go |
| 08:22.41 | silv3r_m00n | the name daemon |
| 08:22.43 | funyun | i need to know what that is for |
| 08:22.56 | funyun | any idea how to find that out? |
| 08:22.56 | silv3r_m00n | this is a dns server, supposed to resolve hostnames to ip addresses |
| 08:23.18 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: you can switch it off, if you dont need dns service on the machine |
| 08:23.22 | silv3r_m00n | like a desktop |
| 08:23.58 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: this is on my remote dedicated server. can switching it off screw anything up? |
| 08:24.30 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: if its a server and you are hosting websites on it, and that server acts as a nameserver for the domains, then you absolutely need it |
| 08:25.30 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: service named stop , to stop it, it wont screw anything just that websites of your server might stop working for visitors |
| 08:25.57 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: see that's my problem. i paid someone to set up my server because i'm a noob. i have things like owncloud and nginx running on it. but i want to run plexconnect on it, but it requires port 53. and the guy who set up my server is on vacation for 2 weeks.. |
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| 08:26.38 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: if i stop it, can i resume it easily and have everything the way it was? |
| 08:27.05 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: yes, but if you have some very complex application like plesk, cpanel running on the server, things might screw up |
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| 08:27.22 | funyun | no, i don't have those |
| 08:27.38 | funyun | okay awesome, how would i go about stopping it? |
| 08:27.39 | silv3r_m00n | then try service named stop and start , but dont come back to me if your server fails |
| 08:28.09 | funyun | wait so my entire server might fail? as in i could no longer ssh into it? |
| 08:28.31 | silv3r_m00n | no, nothing like that would happen |
| 08:28.51 | silv3r_m00n | ssh service is separate from dns service |
| 08:28.56 | funyun | oh okay |
| 08:29.26 | funyun | named: unrecognized service |
| 08:29.29 | funyun | is what i get |
| 08:29.53 | silv3r_m00n | type "service na" and then press tab multiple times to make it detect itself |
| 08:30.11 | silv3r_m00n | ok wait, it does not work like that |
| 08:30.31 | Blue1 | whoa! when I tried to remover tracker it tried to remove gnome. What is this tracker-store tracker-miner and why did it want to remove gnome* if I tried to purge it (I chose NOT to remove it...) |
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| 08:30.53 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: service --status-all |
| 08:30.56 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: there's nothing that starts with n |
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| 08:31.36 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: http://pastebin.com/yK1JXHjA |
| 08:31.47 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: its bind9 |
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| 08:33.06 | dmbaturin | Squeeze, MIPS, "watchdog[11426]: no response from ping (target: 127.0.0.1)" WTF? |
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| 08:34.20 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: dammit, now when i try running PlexConnect i get Failed to connect to HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 80: [Errno 98] Address already in use |
| 08:34.45 | silv3r_m00n | start bind9 again |
| 08:34.48 | funyun | before i got the error for port 53 |
| 08:35.14 | funyun | i guess it needs both |
| 08:35.26 | Streusel | changing group was chgrp, what was change ownership again? |
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| 08:35.40 | Streusel | chown? :/ |
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| 08:36.18 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: so how would i find out what's running on port 80? |
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| 08:37.46 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: sudo netstat -t -n -a -p |
| 08:37.53 | rryoumaa | lsof or fuser or netstat or something |
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| 08:38.41 | silv3r_m00n | for ppas which ubuntu version is most compatible with debian 7 ? |
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| 08:39.49 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: looks like it's nginx. so is there anyway to have all of these running at the same time? or i will have to stop/start all of these things when i need to run a specific one? |
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| 08:41.45 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: they all are separate services all running at the same time |
| 08:42.02 | silv3r_m00n | start all the services u need |
| 08:42.11 | dmbaturin | Anyone else has problem with watchdog not being able to ping addresses? |
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| 08:43.02 | funyun | silv3r_m00n: what i mean is PlexConnect requires port 80 and 53. so I just stopped bind9 and nginx and now PlexConnect works. but is there any way for me to have all of these running at the same time without having to stop/start them? |
| 08:44.19 | silv3r_m00n | funyun: no, you cannot run 2 programs on same port |
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| 08:44.35 | silv3r_m00n | if plexconnect needs port 80 and 53 you have to stop nginx on port 80 and bind9 on port 53 |
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| 08:45.12 | funyun | i see. not too big of a deal. thanks so much for your help :) |
| 08:45.43 | silv3r_m00n | sure |
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| 08:53.11 | `26 | so, does anyone know of a way to disable hardlink creation on a fs? |
| 08:55.15 | nkuttler | `26: use a fs that doesn't support them? |
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| 08:55.49 | dmbaturin | `26: Remove the partition along with the filesystem. |
| 08:56.09 | `26 | nkuttler: so, some sort of a FUSE overlay that does nothing but prevent hardlinks? |
| 08:56.54 | dmbaturin | Why do you think the unlink() system call is called so? |
| 08:57.43 | `26 | my problem is that I want to set up some diskless clients. So I need a (readonly) remote root. NFS is, uh, annoying and somewhat difficult to secure, and I'd like to try to use sshfs instead. However, someone pointed out that sshfs does not support hard links. |
| 08:58.25 | nkuttler | `26: wait, so why do you want to disable them then? |
| 08:58.42 | nkuttler | i'm not aware of any hardlinks being used in a default install |
| 08:59.04 | `26 | I could be convinced to use NFS if there were some way to force it to use *specific* UDP ports on the server and not need rpcbind and all that crap. |
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| 08:59.29 | `26 | nkuttler: actually, there are quite a few |
| 08:59.32 | dmbaturin | `26: If some software wants to create multiple hardlinks, it won't work over filesystem that has them "disabled" or doesn't support. |
| 08:59.41 | `26 | nkuttler: try find /bin -type f \! -links 1 -print |
| 08:59.44 | nkuttler | `26: i see |
| 09:00.17 | dmbaturin | If your software doesn't want multiple hardlinks, you may not bother if the filesystem allows it. |
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| 09:00.36 | `26 | actually sshfs knows how to create hard links, it just doesn't recognize them |
| 09:00.46 | `26 | the reason being that sftp doesn't transmit inodes |
| 09:01.23 | `26 | oh wait, actually the sshfs is read only anyway |
| 09:01.46 | dmbaturin | Also what do you mean by "secure"? |
| 09:01.53 | `26 | now I'd really prefer not to have to use sshfs inside the initrd, and for that I'd like to use NFS (as most people do) instead. |
| 09:01.59 | `26 | dmbaturin: resistant to MITM |
| 09:02.29 | dmbaturin | You want diskless clients to boot over untrusted network? |
| 09:02.40 | `26 | dmbaturin: also resistant to privilege escalation on the client (e.g. you may assume that users can easily gain root on the diskless clients) |
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| 09:02.49 | cast | i'd rather use NFS/openvpn than sshfs |
| 09:03.15 | cast | [trying to work out NFSv4 security...and finding a complete implementation...is a headache] |
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| 09:03.44 | `26 | what I'd really love to do is to export a readonly NFS mount for the rootfs. |
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| 09:05.06 | dmbaturin | Even if they gain root on the clients, and root is not in the group in question on the NFS server, they can't do anything. |
| 09:05.09 | `26 | but when I install nfs-kernel-server, it seems I can't just call it as a normal daemon (e.g. nfsd --listen-on-this-udp-ports XYZ --exports /etc/exports), but have to go through some questionably-secure rpcbind stuff |
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| 09:06.57 | `26 | actually what I want to do with NFS is to wrap the traffic using socat's SSL server feature |
| 09:07.12 | `26 | (yes, I know, UDP over SSL is horrible, etc.) |
| 09:08.09 | dmbaturin | Where is your man in the middle? |
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| 09:08.18 | dmbaturin | Walking through the building with wire tap? |
| 09:08.47 | dmbaturin | If yes, secure the building and kick him out before thinking about the network. |
| 09:09.02 | `26 | possibly. the network is actually horribly insecure and I can't do anything about it. |
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| 09:09.43 | dmbaturin | Then move sensitive data ot ouf the insecure segment. |
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| 09:12.04 | dmbaturin | `26: That guy with wire tap can boot the client from his livecd/flash, get the initramfs with private key from TFTP and do what he wants. |
| 09:12.16 | `26 | dmbaturin: I don't have enough access. Besides, the security of the setup shouldn't depend on whether someone can enter the building unauthorized or not. |
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| 09:12.37 | dmbaturin | W R O N G |
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| 09:12.50 | `26 | dmbaturin: do what he wants? he can read a nice readonly copy of the rootfs. |
| 09:12.54 | `26 | that's real sensitive. |
| 09:12.54 | dmbaturin | Worse than wrong, in fact. |
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| 09:13.48 | dmbaturin | Once he has the key that is used to talk with the server, he is the authorized client from technical point of view. |
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| 09:14.16 | dmbaturin | And, remember, security starts with big guys near the door and locks. |
| 09:14.19 | `26 | I know, but I'm not using the usual NFS /home setup as you would think. |
| 09:14.53 | `26 | I'm doing something that would take very long to explain (trust me), and it involves sshfs and X session scripts. |
| 09:15.21 | `26 | I figured how to secure /home, I just haven't figured out how to get a secure remote rootfs. |
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| 09:20.39 | bartzy | Hey |
| 09:20.52 | bartzy | Does /etc/rc.local runs before /etc/init.d/ scripts will be run ? |
| 09:20.56 | bartzy | will run* |
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| 09:28.12 | cthuluh | bartzy: rc.local is ran *by* a /etc/init.d script |
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| 09:29.24 | bartzy | the last one ? |
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| 09:30.08 | dmbaturin | Yes, AFAIR. |
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| 09:31.08 | cthuluh | just use ls /etc/rc?.d |
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| 09:31.35 | `26 | So aside from NFS and sshfs, are there any other network filesystems? |
| 09:32.02 | `26 | ...that support posixy things (permissions, uid/gid, acl)? |
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| 09:36.04 | cast | could use iscsi |
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| 09:37.38 | `26 | cast: I thought about that, actually. But then I would lose the capacity to make changes to the rootfs as the clients are running. |
| 09:37.56 | cast | fair comment |
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| 09:38.13 | cast | using ocfs2 for / isn't something i've heard of anyone doing |
| 09:39.20 | `26 | cast: hm, certainly sounds interesting |
| 09:39.21 | cthuluh | and acl's are hard to get right; I've never seen anyone using them correctly at $WORK |
| 09:40.01 | `26 | come to think of it, I don't actually care about ACLs on the rootfs |
| 09:40.03 | cthuluh | I didn't know sshfs was "properly" exporting acl's, btw; you should check that |
| 09:40.17 | cthuluh | and sshfs for / sounds funny :) |
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| 09:41.05 | `26 | I love the usage page of "ocfs2_hb_ctl" |
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| 09:45.35 | `26 | cthuluh: oh look, sshfs doesn't actually do ACLs |
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| 09:46.09 | dmbaturin | Upd: The problem with pings exists in x86 watchdog too! |
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| 09:55.22 | `26 | wow, OCFS2 is amazing |
| 09:55.57 | paradigmarson | I'm going to configure a Huawei E3131 modem later. Just downloading necessary stuff for it. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G#Installation says I need a wvdial.conf for HSDPA stuff to work and says 'here's mine', but the attachment is missing. |
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| 09:56.10 | `26 | the concept of multiple clients mounting the same block device filesystem in rw is mindblowing |
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| 09:57.31 | cast | `26: eh... |
| 09:57.38 | paradigmarson | So am I being sensible by installing wvdial, checking I've got the man pages and planning to run dpkg-reconfigure wvdial and edit the configuration file later? |
| 09:57.47 | cast | `26: i find glusterfs far more interesting! |
| 09:58.46 | paradigmarson | The thing is that I didn't even have wvdial on my system until I just installed it and I've used the card without wvdial before, only I don't know if it was set up properly. |
| 09:59.06 | paradigmarson | Talking of which, can setting up your mobile internet card badly be a terrible idea? |
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| 10:00.08 | mumpitze1 | paradigmarson: wvdial makes it easier to always know when it's used or not, saving your data allotment |
| 10:00.30 | mumpitze1 | usually, a ppp connection is made by demand: any program needs internet, it's on. that's not so good for 3G |
| 10:01.18 | paradigmarson | Right |
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| 10:01.49 | paradigmarson | I mean I just need it to work securely I guess. |
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| 10:02.28 | paradigmarson | I'm a bit scared that I'll misconfigure it, end up making myself visible to the whole world and attract unwanted attention. |
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| 10:02.40 | paradigmarson | Is that a valid fear? |
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| 10:05.49 | Generator_ | Hi, what is the command to extract a .arj file in debian? |
| 10:06.23 | paradigmarson | arj? |
| 10:06.55 | Generator_ | yes .arj an ubuntu compression format |
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| 10:07.15 | paradigmarson | I just typed apropos arj, found arj(1), arj-register(1), arjdisp(1) and rearj(1) then typed man arj and found it has an extract option. |
| 10:07.31 | paradigmarson | I mean the command 'arj' |
| 10:07.34 | Generator_ | oh ok thankyou |
| 10:07.43 | paradigmarson | np ;) |
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| 10:17.13 | mumpitze1 | Generator_: arj is a quite old compression format from the MSDOS era on PCs. it was mainly a amiga format :) |
| 10:17.31 | TooTinyofPantsIF | ? |
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| 10:19.22 | Generator_ | "arj e file.arj /destination_directory " is this a right format? |
| 10:19.44 | dmbaturin | Should be. Or "arj x". |
| 10:20.34 | dmbaturin | Generator_: Where did you find an arj archive? |
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| 10:20.48 | Generator_ | a frnd of mine |
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| 10:21.13 | dmbaturin | I haven't seen those in 10+ years already. |
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| 10:32.40 | suy | I'm trying to clean up some packages from my virtual server, and I'm quite noobish with low level things. Can you confirm me if I can remove this packages? http://pastie.org/pastes/8096550/text (not many) |
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| 10:35.17 | dmbaturin | suy: xkb-data is likely useless on a headless machine. |
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| 10:36.41 | dmbaturin | suy: Do "apt-get autoremove", it will remove packages that were installed by dependencies but are not longer needed. |
| 10:37.41 | babilen | suy: All those packages certainly aren't essential, but provide useful functionality or are dependencies of tools you might want to keep. You can certainly remove them, but I don't quite see the point for at least console-setup, acpi and iproute. |
| 10:38.23 | dmbaturin | iproute may be required for some network/interfaces stuff even if you don't use it directly I believe. |
| 10:38.40 | suy | dmbaturin: But removing xkb-data would need to remove console-setup, which in turn would remove kbd, which in turn would remove acpi-support-base :-) All of this seems safe to remove, though |
| 10:38.45 | dmbaturin | Although if you don't yet use it directly, you should--it's a great tool. |
| 10:38.54 | babilen | suy: If you want to clean up your installation start by purging obsolete packages with "aptitude purge ~o" and maybe even those that have been removed but not purged in the past. You can do that with "aptitude purge ~c" -- The autoremove command dmbaturin suggested is certainly worth a try too. |
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| 10:39.54 | babilen | judd: why isc-dhcp-client iproute |
| 10:39.55 | judd | Packages isc-dhcp-client and iproute in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: isc-dhcp-client ▶ iproute |
| 10:39.55 | suy | yes, I'm using aptitude, and I have no packages just configured and not installaed. I just walked the list of pacakges that are manually installed (or so seem so), but that have no real dependency |
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| 10:40.12 | `26 | I'm not sure OCFS2 is the right thing for me. Are there any filesystems specifically designed such that only one user writes and many other can access as readonly? |
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| 10:41.34 | suy | Is just that the default installation put some packages there that aptitude doesn't know that how were installed |
| 10:41.47 | `26 | in other words, are there disk filesystems where you can do mount fs.img rwmount/ and mount -o ro fs.img romount/ and not have bad things happen when you write to rwmount? |
| 10:42.27 | suy | So, console-setup and the console fonts don't make sense if you only connect remotely, right? |
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| 10:43.18 | suy | Likewise for 'kbd' |
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| 10:46.34 | cast | `26: OCFS2 would allow both to access rw, rw and ro is a subset of that |
| 10:47.03 | babilen | suy: You can remove them, sure. Do you actually have problems due to the fact that too many packages are installed? Did you review the list of manually installed packages? |
| 10:47.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell suy -about aptitude clone |
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| 10:47.53 | babilen | suy: That factoid includes a command that searches for all manually installed packages. You might want to start with them (if that is not what you are already doing) |
| 10:49.01 | `26 | cast: is access to the distributed lock manager needed for the readonly clients? |
| 10:49.13 | suy | babilen: No, no problem witch packages. But I have to upgrade to wheezy, and I wanted to have the minimal ones if possible. I've reviewed all manually installed packages, and marked as automatic the ones I don't really want. |
| 10:49.27 | suy | babilen: thanks about the factoid. I will note it. :) |
| 10:51.44 | suy | heh, cool, that was more or less what I was doing: a ~i!~M search in interactive mode :) |
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| 10:52.19 | cast | `26: not sure. |
| 10:52.36 | babilen | suy: Yeah, I suspected as much, but thought to rather point it out explicitly. |
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| 10:55.45 | `26 | cast: it seems to be working |
| 10:56.03 | `26 | but then extended testing might be needed |
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| 11:01.16 | OptimizedCoder | okay - I wanted a minimal install and chose debina netinst - coz thats what I wanted. However why are details on what is there and what is not in there sparse? |
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| 11:02.22 | `26 | join ocfs |
| 11:02.24 | `26 | oops |
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| 11:03.47 | suy | OptimizedCoder: what do you mean? 'there' in the image? |
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| 11:04.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell OptimizedCoder -about cd content |
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| 11:06.08 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: You just have to know where to look -- Please note that *every* installer image can be used to install the same set of packages if you are connected to the internet. I typically recommend the netinstall images with firmware these days as a lot of hardware requires firmware. See <install debian> <various cd1> <firmware image> and <usb install> for further information. (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
| 11:07.30 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: I'm sorry i tried to search there, but it's not as intuitive as I thought it would be |
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| 11:08.42 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: What are you searching for? What exactly is "there" referring to? (deictic expressions are problematic on IRC!) -- Which question do you try to answer? |
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| 11:14.02 | OptimizedCoder | This is what I mean : What basic pkgs are available in the netinst. Say, just the ones that come up before the UI option it gives to install 'Debian Desktop Environment etc...' |
| 11:14.21 | OptimizedCoder | Is that only base, base-devel and a bootloader? |
| 11:15.40 | OptimizedCoder | I meant, what all would be installed - If I did not choose any options in the 'Choose Options' menu - that comes up at the end of the netinst. Where is the pkg list/wiki for this? |
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| 11:19.49 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: The netinst installer is the same installer that comes with every other image. The difference is the set of packages that are included in the image and the netinst one includes enough to install a system with the Standard task. |
| 11:20.51 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: 'enough' is a subjective word |
| 11:21.45 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: You can use a DVD1 image to install a system that is as minimal as one installed with a netinstall image and vice versa. It entirely depends on your package selection during the installation. The difference between the images lies in: 1. Number of packages that are included to enable the user to install certain tasks without being connected to the internet and 2. Different settings regarding the desktop environment that will be ... |
| 11:21.51 | babilen | ... installed if you install the "Desktop" task. |
| 11:22.29 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: The netinst image includes all packages that are needed to install the standard task - It is highly recommended to install that task fwiw |
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| 11:24.07 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: I don't disagree, I just needed to see documentation/wiki which explicitly states OR gives a clear-cut list of what are the basic pkgs that would be required OR present in image 'X' |
| 11:24.08 | jerryzhou | debian 7 install mysql |
| 11:24.55 | OptimizedCoder | not just netinst - for any other img |
| 11:25.16 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: The bot sent you a link some time ago |
| 11:28.49 | `26 | http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/ch-nfs.html |
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| 11:28.57 | `26 | NFSv4 has no interaction with portmapper, rpc.mountd, rpc.lockd, and rpc.statd, since protocol support has been incorporated into the v4 protocol. NFSv4 listens on the well known TCP port (2049) which eliminates the need for the portmapper interaction. The mounting and locking protocols have been incorpated into the V4 protocol which eliminates the need for interaction with rpc.mountd and rpc.loc |
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| 11:29.15 | `26 | okay, how do I get *that* on Debian? |
| 11:29.48 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: Did you get that message? |
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| 11:31.50 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: Okay, tht is exactly what I was after, but searching through that doesn't seem to be staright-fwd |
| 11:32.08 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: for example, get me the pkg list for Wheezy netinst |
| 11:32.38 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.list.gz -- What were you looking for? |
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| 11:33.14 | babilen | I also don't quite understand "staright-fwd" and you might want to clarify what you are trying to say with that. |
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| 11:38.14 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: How did you find that ? :( |
| 11:38.32 | babilen | dpkg: cd content |
| 11:38.32 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 11:39.37 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: That ^^^ is the factoid the bot sent you about half an hour ago. It includes the link to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ and a description on where to look (even an example of a valid and frequently requested URL) |
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| 11:40.15 | babilen | If there is anything that we can do to improve that factoid then please tell us, but I can hardly think of anything. What did you have problems with? What was unclear about it? |
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| 11:40.32 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: Ah ok - I get what it is now - now making this easily findable from the wiki |
| 11:40.54 | OptimizedCoder | because I couldn't get to it by just googling around |
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| 11:42.27 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: Which is why you came to the right place, asked your question and got an answer (i.e. here) -- Did you not notice that the bot sent you a link? |
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| 11:43.05 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: I got it, but that's not a viable option for the masses |
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| 11:48.25 | OptimizedCoder | my rant is this : googling somehting as specific as 'debian netinst cdimage list' doesn't retrun anything relevant. Nor are there links from wikis that are really easily acessible. For a distro that boasts of a great community, I honestly would expect more |
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| 11:49.04 | mumpitze1 | !cd content |
| 11:49.05 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 11:49.42 | babilen | mumpitze1: Been there, done that ... OptimizedCoder is expecting a link to the cd content on our websites or the wiki. (guess (s)he could at least add the wiki page) |
| 11:50.08 | mumpitze1 | should read more backlog. mea culpa |
| 11:50.18 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: if it need to be done, I can gladly update it |
| 11:50.48 | OptimizedCoder | I just needed to know if it was not there somewhere already |
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| 11:53.11 | babilen | OptimizedCoder: No idea, but I agree that a link to the CD content lists and search engine might be a good thing to have on http://www.debian.org/CD/ -- Feel free to file a wishlist bug against the www.debian.org pseudo package (or discuss it in #debian-www on irc.oftc.net first) |
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| 11:54.06 | OptimizedCoder | babilen: Thanks for all the help! I didn't mean to talk down at all. |
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| 11:56.17 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I wonder in apt-get repo, what is the difference between the package chromium and chromium-browser |
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| 11:57.34 | marcusk | chromium-browser is a dummy package that just depends on chromium. |
| 11:58.00 | marcusk | I belive there used to be a package called chromium that wasn't the browser, but they renamed it to avoid confusion. |
| 11:59.36 | OptimizedCoder | also, one more nagging detail : When choosing to install netinst ( I like the minimal stuff), after a point, it asks the user if he/she wants to install (optionally) - The Debian Desktop Environment - nowhere in the installer is this mentioned as the GNOME DE - I even tried to google it and get to know the exact answer from the wikis (my 5 mins of searching didn't yield conclusive answers) |
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| 12:00.08 | OptimizedCoder | What I'd like - if anything - it must atleast show minimal info about the DE during the install |
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| 12:00.46 | Ephexeve | It's weird, I am using chromium on debian 7, but pages seems to crash a lot with that message "Aw snap! Something went wrong while displaying this webpage" |
| 12:00.49 | Ephexeve | it happens a LOT |
| 12:00.54 | Ephexeve | does anyone knows anything about it? |
| 12:00.56 | `26 | OptimizedCoder: I think you can pass desktop=xfce as a boot command line if I remember correctly |
| 12:01.23 | `26 | http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
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| 12:01.27 | marcusk | OptimizedCoder: You can select the desktop from the boot manager, under alternative desktop or something like that. |
| 12:02.58 | marcusk | `26: The same goes for kde and lxde |
| 12:03.07 | `26 | ofc |
| 12:03.13 | marcusk | Of course nothing stops you from installing any or multiple of them afterwards |
| 12:03.20 | marcusk | Or any other for that matter |
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| 12:05.54 | OptimizedCoder | marcusk: I'm not talking about after the install - I'm talking bout displaying information about what 'DDE' would install 'during' the install. |
| 12:06.45 | OptimizedCoder | I mean, i was pissed that it meant it was installing GNOME - when I chose to install the 'DDE' during the netinst process |
| 12:06.46 | marcusk | OptimizedCoder: I agree that could be in there |
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| 12:07.38 | marcusk | I've never really understood why the desktop has to be picked before the installer has even started, as opposed to during the installation. |
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| 12:12.22 | OptimizedCoder | actually even googling for 'debian desktop environment default' doesn't give a GNOME hit from the debian sites :( |
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| 12:42.21 | olga_ | for wheezy |
| 12:43.25 | abrotman | did you look at the list of packages that provide a kernel? |
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| 12:45.07 | olga_ | abrotman, no, where? |
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| 12:46.47 | babilen | olga_: Are you, in fact, looking for a realtime kernel? You can see a list of kernel (meta-)images available to you by searching: "aptitude search ~n^linux-" |
| 12:46.56 | babilen | olga_: What are you trying to achieve/do? |
| 12:47.11 | olga_ | babilen, i'd like to try a bfs kernel |
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| 12:53.47 | babilen | Has that been merged into mainline? |
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| 13:08.22 | deanrock0 | hi, what's the status with mariadb? will it ever replace mysql in offical repo? |
| 13:08.24 | eregus | what GUI for iptables do you recommend? |
| 13:08.30 | eregus | something firestarter-like |
| 13:08.59 | dmbaturin | eregus: Why would you need a GUI? |
| 13:09.18 | dmbaturin | Try fwbuilder if you want something high level. |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | !mariadb |
| 13:09.48 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Not in Debian, <ITP> in bug #565308; third-party packages are not supported in #debian. http://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:10.09 | eregus | I really don't understand iptables and I want something that would make it easier for me, something that would be a good start to understand it |
| 13:10.39 | dmbaturin | If you want to understand iptables, a GUI will be an obstacle, not an aid. |
| 13:10.54 | brontosaurusrex | should acpi work correctly with wheezy and its default kernel? |
| 13:11.04 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: should, yes |
| 13:11.05 | dmbaturin | brontosaurusrex: Works for me. |
| 13:11.31 | brontosaurusrex | ok, so i guess its a power-manager gui issue |
| 13:11.38 | babilen | deanrock0: There is no intention to replace MySQL with MariaDB at all. The goal would be to package both in Debian and you can read about the progress in the ITP bug mentioned by the bot. |
| 13:11.40 | brontosaurusrex | some things are working, some are not |
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| 13:11.51 | abrotman | eregus: apt-cache search iptables |
| 13:12.05 | brontosaurusrex | it does turn off the screen on ac power for example, so something is working |
| 13:12.43 | brontosaurusrex | idle means that user is not moving the mouse for N seconds, or something else? |
| 13:12.48 | eregus | abrotman: I know the names of these programs, I just want to know which one do you recommend |
| 13:13.07 | deanrock0 | babilen: thanks |
| 13:13.56 | dmbaturin | iptables is in fact very simple. |
| 13:14.11 | brontosaurusrex | and q2: Is turning off touchpad when mice is present a good strategy? |
| 13:14.23 | brontosaurusrex | i did an udev rule... |
| 13:14.31 | abrotman | eregus: the one that works for you .. try them all |
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| 13:15.10 | becks` | hi, fresh install of debian 7: after apt-get update and apt-get install openssh-server I'm getting this: "Unable to locate package openssh-server" - WHY? |
| 13:16.08 | abrotman | becks`: paste your sources.list |
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| 13:17.06 | becks` | abrotman would be nice if I could copy, it's a remote console... I've chosen one of the official mirros, deb http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/debian/ wheezy main |
| 13:17.11 | monod | hello |
| 13:17.14 | albech | I am getting lots of sess_ files in my /tmp folder as of lately.. Been trying to look at them to identify where they are coming from. Running Nginx on the server |
| 13:17.20 | monod | is Gnome 2 installable on wheezy? |
| 13:17.24 | abrotman | becks`: do you also have the security mirrors? |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | monod: no |
| 13:17.36 | albech | is there a way to trace these somehow? |
| 13:18.00 | becks` | abrotman yes it looks like this: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 13:18.16 | marcusk | becks`: becks` It could be that the mirror have issues, I can't find the package in http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/debian/pool/main/o/. |
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| 13:18.31 | deanrock0 | albech: these are probably from php |
| 13:18.51 | albech | deanrock0, im sure they are.. just wondering which virtual site is creating them |
| 13:18.57 | becks` | okay thanks, I'm going to try a different one :) |
| 13:19.16 | marcusk | becks`: sorry, it was there after all. |
| 13:19.18 | deanrock0 | albech: how do you run your php? |
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| 13:19.45 | abrotman | becks`: apt-get update, no errors? |
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| 13:20.21 | deanrock0 | albech: fcgi, php-fpm, with apache,...? |
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| 13:20.33 | albech | deanrock0, fcgi |
| 13:20.53 | becks` | abrotman oh, now I see.. "Release file for ......./wheezy/Release is expired (invalid since 106d ...)" |
| 13:21.18 | abrotman | becks`: try another mirror, or use http.debian.net |
| 13:23.16 | becks` | thanks, another mirror works fine ;) |
| 13:23.35 | marcusk | becks`: You should probably report the problem to the mirror |
| 13:23.39 | deanrock0 | albech: i don't think you can see for which host they are intended ... you could try asking on #php |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | they probably know, check the mirror status page |
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| 13:25.22 | abrotman | well, it's not the most out of date mirror in the list |
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| 13:28.59 | albech | deanrock0, i may have traced some of this to a cron script run by sugarcrm |
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| 13:30.37 | deanrock0 | albech: there should be a cronjob to purge sess_ files |
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| 13:32.56 | anish_ | i am here |
| 13:33.00 | Tjati | I can not find my pam_ldap.conf ... :( |
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| 13:34.29 | krisfr92 | Hi, Do you know why there is this by default in the crontab of Debian image for BBxm ? /fastmech/y2kupdate |
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| 13:36.44 | babilen | krisfr92: BBxm? That looks like some oldschool y2k code ... What else is there in fastmech and what is "fastmech" anyway? Are you sure your computer has not been compromised? |
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| 13:39.26 | krisfr92 | it is Debian6 3.2.21-x13 |
| 13:39.46 | krisfr92 | * * * * * /var/tmp/ /fastmech/y2kupdate >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 13:40.17 | krisfr92 | i've commented this line in the crontab |
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| 13:48.38 | krisfr92 | I have a lot of this in my syslog : init: Id "S" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 13:48.41 | krisfr92 | any ideas ? |
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| 13:48.58 | caf | krisfr92: it would seem that your machine has been comprised in a similar way to this persons: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-802836-start-0.html |
| 13:49.07 | caf | s/comprised/compromised/ |
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| 13:49.58 | abrotman | because of that message? |
| 13:50.21 | mumpitze1 | I must have been compromised tons of times for years now then... |
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| 13:50.25 | caf | no, because of the call to a script called "y2kupdate" |
| 13:50.42 | _martin | hi, when trying to enable rewrite with a2enmod rewrite i get ERROR: Module rewrite does not exsit! |
| 13:50.43 | caf | scroll back a little |
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| 13:51.25 | _martin | and in /etc/modules-enable there is no rewrite file |
| 13:51.50 | _martin | i tried to reinstalld apache2 but again, there i sno rewrite modul |
| 13:51.55 | krisfr92 | my /var/tmp has strange permissions, no ? : drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4096 Jun 30 15:38 /var/tmp |
| 13:52.01 | krisfr92 | what is "t" ? |
| 13:52.03 | _martin | can someone send me the rewirte module |
| 13:52.28 | caf | krisfr92: no that's normal, "t" is the sticky bit and is usually set on /tmp and /var/tmp |
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| 13:53.15 | caf | ordinarily if you have write permission on a directory then you can rename or delete any file in that directory, but if the sticky bit is set on the directory, then you can only rename or delete files that you own |
| 13:53.43 | krisfr92 | ok thanks. /var/tmp contains a directory called "kapela", normal ? |
| 13:55.47 | caf | hard to say |
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| 13:56.32 | khronosschoty | Hello, does anyone know if this guide is valid for sqeeze? "http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration" |
| 13:56.33 | krisfr92 | and contains strange files : 140.115.pscan.22 140.117.pscan.22 140.212.pscan.22 a pass_file pscan2 screen ssh-scan start vuln.txt |
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| 13:56.52 | abrotman | khronosschoty: which part of it? |
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| 13:57.38 | khronosschoty | conMultiple IP addresses on One Interface |
| 13:57.44 | khronosschoty | Multiple IP addresses on One Interface |
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| 13:57.54 | abrotman | should be the same |
| 13:58.04 | caf | krisfr92: That looks highly suspicious |
| 13:58.43 | krisfr92 | caf: yes, and content of these files are very suspicious too ! |
| 13:58.51 | bartzy | how do I run a cron now ? even though it's only every 2 days ? |
| 13:58.52 | khronosschoty | that you abortmans |
| 13:58.58 | bartzy | Without changing it to every 1 min or something :D |
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| 14:00.51 | khronosschoty | when you make changes to the /etc/network/interfaces do you have to reboot bind? |
| 14:01.10 | krisfr92 | bartzy: what do you mean "run a cron now" ? |
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| 14:01.46 | mumpitze1 | khronosschoty: you have to bring down and up the interface again for it to register the change |
| 14:02.03 | mumpitze1 | khronosschoty: bind doesn't matter for that |
| 14:02.13 | moof2 | khronosschoty, bind? no, bind will be happy |
| 14:02.28 | moof2 | you can however restart networking |
| 14:03.03 | catsup | anyone know a hack to make sudo call a different command than the one specified (to call a wrapper transparently)? |
| 14:03.08 | khronosschoty | thanks moof2 and mumpitze1 |
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| 14:03.17 | bartzy | krisfr92: A command to run it now, without waiting for it to run periodically. i.e. I want to test it. |
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| 14:03.31 | moof2 | which will restart all interfaces marked as auto (= runs in foreground) or allow-hotplug (= runs in background) |
| 14:03.42 | krisfr92 | Any ideas about this in syslog (seem tty related) ? init: Id "S" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 14:04.05 | catsup | krisfr92: S should not be respwan, it should be wait |
| 14:04.18 | khronosschoty | okay so unless apache is marked as auto it will not reboot |
| 14:04.23 | krisfr92 | bartzy: restart the cron process :/etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 14:04.24 | moof2 | krisfr92, the thing started by S (see /etc/inittab) is dying or not ever starting |
| 14:04.48 | ompaul | krisfr92: depends on the version service foo restart/start/stop etc |
| 14:04.55 | ompaul | is for the later stuff |
| 14:04.56 | catsup | krisfr92: er wait, nevermind, S is not the id for runlevel S |
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| 14:05.12 | krisfr92 | inittab :S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyS2 |
| 14:05.17 | catsup | (it's ~~) |
| 14:05.28 | Getty | will not respawn just cause you told him |
| 14:05.33 | moof2 | do you want a getty? |
| 14:05.47 | Getty | everyone wants a getty! :D |
| 14:05.55 | moof2 | say... |
| 14:06.02 | moof2 | areh/;t you getty lee? |
| 14:06.09 | Getty | nope ;) |
| 14:06.10 | krisfr92 | any aidea on how to fix it ? |
| 14:06.19 | catsup | krisfr92: does /dev/ttyS2 exist? |
| 14:06.26 | khronosschoty | Also, whenever I try reboot the network I get warning about this method "service network restart |
| 14:06.27 | khronosschoty | " is depreciated |
| 14:06.48 | moof2 | see if you can find mention in a log file |
| 14:06.53 | krisfr92 | yes exists : crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 66 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyS2 |
| 14:07.17 | moof2 | krisfr92, what's on the other side of ttyS2? |
| 14:07.21 | catsup | well, is there an actual serial device corresponding to it? |
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| 14:07.43 | krisfr92 | moof2: whut u mean ? |
| 14:07.52 | catsup | krisfr92: you can test this by running that getty command manuall instead of from inittab. you can run it through strace to see why it fails |
| 14:08.05 | moof2 | whut u mean whut I mean?! |
| 14:08.34 | xantiol | anyone know how to build chromium? |
| 14:08.52 | moof2 | is there a cable attached to your machine that is itself attached to, umm, a modem, a terminal, or other serial device? |
| 14:09.24 | moof2 | xantiol, step zero: untar the source, read README |
| 14:09.27 | xantiol | anyone know where to add -fpermisive ? |
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| 14:09.51 | moof2 | xantiol, what is that an option to? |
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| 14:10.09 | krisfr92 | ttyS2 seams to be the Serial port on the BB (besause of speed 115200) |
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| 14:10.26 | xantiol | moof2, I get an error when I try to build, and it say to use that option to bypass |
| 14:10.43 | moof2 | krisfr92, do you use it ever? maybe we can just shut it down? |
| 14:10.44 | xantiol | moof2, but I don't see where the cflags are set |
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| 14:10.58 | moof2 | oh, normally in the makefile |
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| 14:11.09 | xantiol | where is the makefile? |
| 14:11.09 | catsup | yes, ttyS* is serial devices. if you're not trying to run a getty on a serial device, just remove that line. |
| 14:11.10 | moof2 | or as part of the ./configure step |
| 14:11.31 | moof2 | or comment it out |
| 14:11.37 | notdan | Can somebody please help me with selinux file labels? I am not sure why restorecon is not working as expected: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137853 |
| 14:12.05 | Getty | on serial devices you like to use my brother mgetty, but he is a homeless, hard to track him down! |
| 14:12.06 | notdan | it doesn't even produce any output |
| 14:12.14 | moof2 | xantiol, should be in the root dir of the source tree |
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| 14:12.32 | krisfr92 | moof2 : yes sometimes i use it. when running manually /sbin/getty 115200 ttyS2 nothing visible appens |
| 14:12.50 | krisfr92 | what is getty ? |
| 14:13.16 | dmbaturin | getty is what is responsible for console login. |
| 14:13.30 | moof2 | it is the thing that attaches to a port (like a serial port) and accepts a login name |
| 14:13.45 | moof2 | after that it execs to login |
| 14:13.46 | dmbaturin | Yep, like this. |
| 14:13.53 | moof2 | which accepts the passwd |
| 14:14.15 | moof2 | if all good, login execs the login shell |
| 14:15.07 | krisfr92 | ok! so actually i am not connected on serial but ssh, why this error in syslog ? |
| 14:15.11 | moof2 | it does sound like (while you may use the serial port) you don't use it for this purpose... is that a fair statement? |
| 14:15.21 | moof2 | what do you connect your serial port to? |
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| 14:16.00 | kristijonas | hello, how to figure out if hardware issue causes dummy output in sound settings? |
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| 14:16.36 | krisfr92 | moof2 : because sometimes i run into oops and loose the hand ! |
| 14:16.50 | xantiol | moof2, i can't find there |
| 14:17.20 | krisfr92 | i've applied a workarounf that makes the BB reboot if Oops occurs |
| 14:17.29 | krisfr92 | *workaround |
| 14:17.31 | moof2 | what's a bb? |
| 14:17.40 | krisfr92 | bb : BeagleBoard |
| 14:18.02 | moof2 | and the serial port named by ttyS2 is on this board? |
| 14:18.08 | krisfr92 | yes |
| 14:18.32 | moof2 | ok, and do you log in using a device you connect to the serial port? |
| 14:18.50 | xantiol | maybe I got it |
| 14:19.15 | krisfr92 | i use a USB to SERIAL converter from my laptop to the board |
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| 14:20.06 | moof2 | so you do connect it |
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| 14:20.46 | moof2 | and, you connect it to your usb converter which in turn is connected to your laptop |
| 14:20.53 | moof2 | yes? |
| 14:21.12 | krisfr92 | yes |
| 14:21.32 | krisfr92 | just like if i had a serial port on my laptop ;) |
| 14:21.33 | moof2 | is this something that has ever worked before? |
| 14:21.45 | krisfr92 | it works fine actually ! |
| 14:22.14 | moof2 | also, run: test -e /sbin/getty && echo yes || echo no |
| 14:22.43 | krisfr92 | return "yes" |
| 14:23.08 | moof2 | so it's working now |
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| 14:23.41 | moof2 | on your laptop, what program do you use to talk over that serial line to the bb? |
| 14:23.51 | krisfr92 | i use putty |
| 14:23.56 | moof2 | ok. |
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| 14:24.30 | krisfr92 | so if everything working fine, why message appears in syslog ? |
| 14:24.36 | moof2 | when you use putty, and when you're first connecting, what do you see and what do you expect to see first? |
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| 14:25.33 | krisfr92 | it prompts me for username, then password, then i have the prompt, that's what i want and have |
| 14:25.51 | moof2 | so, there is a getty |
| 14:25.57 | Getty | waves |
| 14:26.12 | moof2 | renames getty to betty |
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| 14:26.51 | Getty | moof2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jCP0obUKzg |
| 14:27.04 | krisfr92 | done, have to reboot to apply ? |
| 14:27.19 | krisfr92 | was a joke ? |
| 14:27.20 | moof2 | let's do this... we need to be able to refer to your machines, so for the purpose of this conversation, can we use bb and laptop as names for your machines? |
| 14:27.37 | moof2 | nonono, don't do that :) it was a joke |
| 14:28.09 | krisfr92 | ok, rollbacked ;) |
| 14:28.18 | moof2 | great. those names ok? |
| 14:28.34 | krisfr92 | bb and lap |
| 14:28.42 | moof2 | ok, cool. |
| 14:28.54 | moof2 | which machine are you getting the message on? |
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| 14:29.01 | krisfr92 | bb |
| 14:29.13 | moof2 | is bb running debian? |
| 14:29.17 | krisfr92 | yes |
| 14:29.27 | krisfr92 | lap running W7 |
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| 14:29.58 | moof2 | err... putty... ok, w7 means windows :) got it |
| 14:30.17 | krisfr92 | yes |
| 14:30.27 | moof2 | according to bb, what's the date? |
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| 14:30.59 | krisfr92 | but actually i am connected to bb via ssh, not serial |
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| 14:31.25 | moof2 | and, do you ever connect via serial? |
| 14:31.44 | krisfr92 | sometimes |
| 14:31.46 | moof2 | and when you say "bb is working fine", do you mean the ssh is what is successful? |
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| 14:32.00 | krisfr92 | ssh and serial is successfull |
| 14:32.08 | krisfr92 | *are |
| 14:32.23 | moof2 | according to bb, what's the date? |
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| 14:32.42 | krisfr92 | Sun Jun 30 16:32:36 CEST 2013 |
| 14:32.53 | krisfr92 | France |
| 14:33.01 | krisfr92 | ntp used |
| 14:33.04 | moof2 | ok, and are the messages you're getting have a timestamp? |
| 14:33.06 | moof2 | cool |
| 14:33.24 | krisfr92 | yes |
| 14:33.25 | krisfr92 | Jun 30 16:32:20 greenbox init: Id "S" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 14:34.05 | moof2 | do you want to disable the serial line for awhile? |
| 14:34.19 | krisfr92 | yes ok |
| 14:34.51 | krisfr92 | have to comment the line in inittab to do that ? |
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| 14:35.46 | moof2 | (if so here's how: comment out the line in /etc/inittab and then send SIGHUP (means "hang up") signal to process #1; sending a signal is done using kill; kill -HUP 1) |
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| 14:36.13 | moof2 | my clothes are whining; be right back |
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| 14:36.58 | CCCProcks | hi |
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| 14:37.47 | CCCProcks | i need to install a debian on a VM (Virtualbox) and i need it to be as little as possible, who much is the minimum required space? |
| 14:38.07 | krisfr92 | moof2: ok done |
| 14:38.19 | CCCProcks | the VM *only* needs to have networking working and nc (netcat) |
| 14:38.44 | CCCProcks | *how much |
| 14:38.48 | moof2 | if you want to enable it, remove the comment char and restart init (by again sending it SIGHUP) |
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| 14:39.20 | Th0masR0ss | Hallo CCCProcks |
| 14:39.25 | CCCProcks | hi |
| 14:39.33 | moof2 | and btw, I'm purposely using this language to get you used to it |
| 14:39.52 | krisfr92 | well ok, this is a workaround not a definitive solution, but thanks :) |
| 14:39.53 | CCCProcks | i've chosen ~500mB partition and i'm installing 486 kernel |
| 14:40.03 | Th0masR0ss | CCCProcks: 20gb should be good. |
| 14:40.10 | Th0masR0ss | But that's more than you need |
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| 14:40.37 | CCCProcks | Th0masR0ss: no, i was thinking about ~200 MB , or less. Is it possible? |
| 14:41.04 | krisfr92 | Another problem in syslog : "usb 1-2.2: usbfs: process 861 (xxxxx) did not claim interface 0 before use" |
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| 14:42.13 | CCCProcks | should i choose "targeted kernel" or "generic kernel" ? if i choose "targeted" will i save much space? |
| 14:42.25 | krisfr92 | bb is connected to http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0&product_id=1018_2 via usb |
| 14:42.25 | Th0masR0ss | Maybe 15gb? |
| 14:42.47 | Arrowmaster | you can install in just a few gigs depending on what you install |
| 14:42.52 | themill | CCCProcks: if you're using a VM image, you can allocate a larger disk to it without it taking up extra space on the real disk anyway. 500MB is easily enough, 200MB is unlikely. |
| 14:43.04 | CCCProcks | Th0masR0ss: i dont need GUI (no gnome, no kde) only tty |
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| 14:43.24 | Arrowmaster | CCCProcks: no gnome means you can install in half a gig easy |
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| 14:43.45 | mumpitze1 | themill: with only a base netsint (without the "standard" taks) and netcat, a 200MB disk might be enough |
| 14:43.47 | xantiol | moof2, I chaned the makefile, it worked, and stopped on the same error after a long time |
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| 14:43.54 | CCCProcks | themill, Arrowmaster: i only need apt-get for the upgrades, and then nc (netcat) |
| 14:44.33 | CCCProcks | mumpitze1: if i choose "targeted kernel" will i save much space or it isnt worth it? |
| 14:44.40 | Arrowmaster | as mumpitze1 said if you dont install the "standard" task then you might get away with 200mb |
| 14:44.57 | Arrowmaster | targeted kernel might save some space in the initramfs |
| 14:45.16 | Arrowmaster | it wont be huge |
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| 14:45.35 | mumpitze1 | Cernus: what do you mean with "targeted kernel"? |
| 14:45.38 | themill | I'd be surprised. A pbuilder chroot is usually almost 400MB (that does include gcc, but doesn't include much else) |
| 14:45.40 | CCCProcks | Arrowmaster: should i deselect *everything* in the tasksel or should i keep "base system" selected? |
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| 14:45.59 | Arrowmaster | deselect base system |
| 14:46.06 | CCCProcks | ok, thanks! |
| 14:46.11 | themill | (and the pbuilder doesn't include a kernel... and that's tens of MB) |
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| 14:46.46 | Arrowmaster | mumpitze1: he means if its set to include all modules in initramfs or just the ones needed i believe |
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| 14:47.20 | mumpitze1 | initramfs always only includes needed stuff. that's what the initramfs-tools are for: too select them |
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| 14:47.50 | mumpitze1 | if everything were included it wouldn't need to create the file but a single copy would be fine for everyone |
| 14:49.00 | Arrowmaster | well on install it does ask if you want a targeted or generic initramfs |
| 14:49.03 | CCCProcks | Arrowmaster: is apt-get included if i deselect "base system" in tasksel? |
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| 14:49.19 | Arrowmaster | CCCProcks: yes, otherwise it wouldnt be able to install anything |
| 14:49.43 | Arrowmaster | the installer installs apt-get then uses it to get everything else |
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| 14:51.12 | moof2 | krisfr92, could you verify you can't connect from lap to bb using putty on lap? |
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| 14:52.55 | moof2 | the way the S line works (and other things init starts), is init runs the command specified in inittab, and it saves the pid... after that it watches that pid |
| 14:53.34 | CCCProcks | Arrowmaster: is "Standard System utilities" a must? it appears in the "software selection" screen as the only option |
| 14:53.40 | moof2 | if the process with that pid dies, init sees this, runs the command again and, again saves the pid, and again starts watching it |
| 14:53.54 | Arrowmaster | CCCProcks: if you can disable it then its not required |
| 14:54.56 | khronosschoty | hello, is it advisable to download, and use resolvconf on debian 6? |
| 14:55.15 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 14:55.22 | moof2 | when you restart init by sending it SIGHUP, this causes it to (at least) re-read its config file, which is /etc/inittab |
| 14:55.27 | Arrowmaster | just install it from the debian repos |
| 14:55.33 | CCCProcks | DONE! thanks ! it only took 339mB! |
| 14:55.34 | themill | khronosschoty: depends on what you're doing. I have resolvconf on all laptops but not on servers. |
| 14:55.44 | moof2 | krisfr92, questions? |
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| 14:55.54 | themill | CCCProcks: standard tasks contains utilities like "less" that you'll probably end up installing afterwards |
| 14:56.40 | CCCProcks | themill: no, it's ok. i only need cat and nc in this vm. |
| 14:56.58 | khronosschoty | okay thank you themill I am running a server and I am trying to set up a zone name for my registrar to point to, but so much of the guides leave me not knowing what route to go |
| 14:57.35 | themill | khronosschoty: you'd be configuring a DNS server like bind9 for that |
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| 14:57.53 | moof2 | khronosschoty, one thing you should strongly consider,,, is letting a pro handle authoritative dns |
| 14:58.33 | Arrowmaster | or use a registrar with free dns like gandi |
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| 14:59.00 | khronosschoty | yes, but it should be better to set it up ones self? |
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| 14:59.22 | khronosschoty | Why should it be so confusing to do? People should be doing this all the time, right? So any clear cut guide would be nice |
| 14:59.34 | moof2 | well it depends on how much experience you have with dns |
| 15:00.01 | moof2 | if you're a 20-year entrenched unix guru, that's one thing :) |
| 15:00.12 | khronosschoty | I have no dns exp but it would be a good idea to get right? I mean DNS is what makes the whole internet go round? |
| 15:00.17 | moof2 | also, it depends what you mean by "better" |
| 15:00.29 | moof2 | gandi lets you add stuff to your dns |
| 15:00.38 | khronosschoty | well I have been using unix for 9 years |
| 15:00.52 | moof2 | so, you do have the required experience |
| 15:01.41 | khronosschoty | yes, and no. I am having the hardest time getting over certain barriers. I am looking to overcome. |
| 15:01.59 | moof2 | if you're going to set up your own dns as a primary authoritative server, do you have... a nice fat reliable internet connection? ... a static IP? |
| 15:02.16 | khronosschoty | yes to bolth or I would not do it |
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| 15:02.19 | khronosschoty | both |
| 15:02.20 | deanrock0 | is there readily available package for dns server which would support multiple servers and have good API? |
| 15:02.54 | deanrock0 | e.g. i install it on multiple servers and can manage dns settings for all of them |
| 15:02.56 | moof2 | so, you -could- do it |
| 15:03.42 | khronosschoty | I think it should be faster to run the DNS ones self? |
| 15:03.43 | moof2 | deanrock0, sure... you would manage them by altering the config by editing the text files, then restarting them |
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| 15:04.15 | deanrock0 | moof2: so i need to write my own solution for that? |
| 15:04.42 | moof2 | deanrock0, do you know what primary dns and secondary dns is? |
| 15:04.47 | deanrock0 | yes |
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| 15:04.56 | themill | deanrock0: depends on what you mean by "good API" really. Those who aren't using wrappers around bind tend to use powerdns stuff for that |
| 15:04.58 | moof2 | so you already know part of the answer to that |
| 15:05.48 | blackjack | why is everybody in every linux/unix channel always helps but only part by part of the puzzle. hehehe |
| 15:05.59 | moof2 | secondary dns servers accept zone files from the primary |
| 15:06.06 | khronosschoty | So getting back to the DNS thing, is there any good guide on this for debian or are they all outdated? |
| 15:06.27 | deanrock0 | how would i go about high availability? e.g. if server1 goes down, remove its address from the list |
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| 15:07.06 | moof2 | blackjack, if we did that we'd always be swampped... plus, I always assume that good things happen for a person when he/she thinks for themselves |
| 15:07.08 | krisfr92 | deanrock0: using keepalived |
| 15:07.28 | deanrock0 | krisfr92: nice, will check it out |
| 15:07.37 | deanrock0 | and btw what are pros/cons of self hosting dns? |
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| 15:08.23 | moof2 | one con is you'd rather have a pro |
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| 15:09.00 | deanrock0 | i want to do it so that i can learn a bit of managing dns servers |
| 15:09.08 | themill | deanrock0: if you're using bind for that, you could have whatever service monitoring tool you were using call nsupdate to trigger a zone update and that then gets notified to the secondaries. |
| 15:09.19 | moof2 | if you want to do this, by all means, do so: you will learn a hell of a lot |
| 15:09.35 | themill | deanrock0: there are plenty of different ways of doing this -- the trick is working out which one suits your actual situations |
| 15:09.47 | humle85 | hi has anyone a preformence test / benchmark of a debian running on a AMD A4 chipset? |
| 15:10.42 | blackjack | moof2 i havent still figured out by the way how to secure sshd. Do you have any articles about that? |
| 15:11.11 | deanrock0 | moof2, themill: thanks for advices |
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| 15:12.09 | blackjack | ompaul thought me. but only part by part too. lol |
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| 15:14.05 | humle85 | blackjack i'ved used this post serveral of times to secure many default settings http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics :) |
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| 15:16.15 | moof2 | blackjack, you've now got an "umbrella" called "secure it"... there's a LOT of things under that, from your core networking, your os and how you connect to the internet to the various categories specific to ssh |
| 15:17.43 | moof2 | a lot of those are interdependent, as they tend to affect each other |
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| 15:18.48 | moof2 | what you can do is focus in on each one separately, and do what you can for each |
| 15:18.58 | moof2 | one effective tool is fail2ban |
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| 15:24.01 | humle85 | moof2 thoese fail2ban have a gui interface? |
| 15:24.16 | moof2 | nope |
| 15:24.34 | moof2 | doesn't need one (much like most or all servers) |
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| 15:24.46 | humle85 | True :)= |
| 15:25.03 | humle85 | Command line effective |
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| 15:25.25 | moof2 | in the case of fail2ban, you install it and it has a few settings by default (including for ssh) |
| 15:25.36 | moof2 | you install it and it starts immediately |
| 15:26.05 | humle85 | default settings should allways be configured right away |
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| 15:26.20 | humle85 | like the ssh port, should be changed |
| 15:26.34 | moof2 | well there is that... |
| 15:27.00 | humle85 | those debian have any gui firewall |
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| 15:27.26 | moof2 | debian used to have something called ipmasq |
| 15:27.45 | humle85 | any good? |
| 15:27.47 | moof2 | it got dropped |
| 15:27.54 | humle85 | :-/ |
| 15:28.10 | moof2 | yeah, I altered it so it works for past lenny and squeeze |
| 15:28.18 | themill | it's also not really a firewall. |
| 15:28.39 | humle85 | is a firewall really neassesary for the home user, running services like ssh? |
| 15:28.41 | moof2 | it's got a routing function, it's more like a gateway |
| 15:29.13 | humle85 | so you are better of not messing with it :) |
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| 15:29.41 | moof2 | maybe not... if they go into chatrooms full of skript kiddies and piss em off (or not, just exposing their IP to them is enough) |
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| 15:29.58 | moof2 | that person does need a firewall, and as a separate device |
| 15:30.01 | humle85 | im asking becouse i wanna set up a owncloud. But with a lot of firewalls and so one i'ved have to upgrade the server |
| 15:30.11 | themill | moof2: indeed. So ipmasq is not really relevant to the conversation.... |
| 15:30.59 | moof2 | well a firewall is never effective on the machine it's purporting to protect |
| 15:31.21 | themill | ipmasq is still hardly relevant... |
| 15:31.26 | humle85 | Yea okey, but anywas. as a home server user. I really dont have anything of secret to the goverment |
| 15:31.46 | moof2 | not sure why there's an argument here... seems hostile |
| 15:32.18 | moof2 | humle85, you do have something of value: bandwidth and possibly storage |
| 15:32.38 | themill | I was just hoping that we could try actually helping humle85 rather than just pretending to help. |
| 15:33.17 | humle85 | so if i should go with a firewall, then i should install it as a gateway for the server. Between the internet and server? |
| 15:33.20 | themill | humle85: the most important thing is to have a sufficiently strong and obscure password for all users. Everything else around ssh is window dressing |
| 15:34.01 | moof2 | if they can guess your passwd on the first try, fail2ban is useless |
| 15:34.03 | brontosaurusrex | how come fail2ban has everything pretty much disabled? |
| 15:34.05 | humle85 | themill so a good password, and a timeout for the brutforce should keep, unwanted users out? |
| 15:34.11 | brontosaurusrex | seems like only ssh is enabled |
| 15:34.28 | error3_ | just use OTP :) |
| 15:34.34 | moof2 | brontosaurusrex, right, as far as I can tell, those are the default settings |
| 15:34.35 | humle85 | OTP? |
| 15:34.40 | error3_ | one time password :) |
| 15:34.56 | error3_ | like a two factors authentication enabled ssh |
| 15:35.15 | humle85 | not sure how i whould set that up :) ? |
| 15:35.17 | themill | brontosaurusrex: fail2ban was originally written for ssh and later grew other features. It's easy for it to protect ssh out of the box but it needs configuring for anything else |
| 15:35.41 | error3_ | humle85: I read many article on the use of google authenticator and ssh |
| 15:35.44 | brontosaurusrex | ok, ill just leave it at that |
| 15:35.56 | error3_ | basically you just have to get the pam module |
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| 15:36.50 | moof2 | then google.com (or another google machine) participates in authentication? |
| 15:36.53 | humle85 | error3_ okey, sounds easy :) |
| 15:37.14 | phy1729 | I like to go pubkey only. Much harder to break than a password |
| 15:37.14 | humle85 | Whould it work for with google accounts to? |
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| 15:37.26 | error3_ | humle85: yeah |
| 15:37.37 | error3_ | I use google two factor authentication for my google account |
| 15:37.48 | humle85 | nice |
| 15:37.54 | error3_ | but I would agree with phy1729 |
| 15:37.56 | error3_ | public key is great :) |
| 15:38.06 | error3_ | but it has to be passphrase protected |
| 15:38.16 | humle85 | where is it stored, like on a USB? |
| 15:38.24 | error3_ | and if you are really paranoid, you add on top of it two factor authentication |
| 15:38.50 | error3_ | humle85: the google stuff? |
| 15:38.52 | humle85 | And that is what we all are :D lol |
| 15:38.55 | error3_ | just with your phone |
| 15:38.58 | humle85 | no the pubkey |
| 15:39.01 | error3_ | oh |
| 15:39.03 | moof2 | humle85, are you nervous about something on your machine? |
| 15:39.28 | moof2 | or, are you nervous about an activity you participate in? |
| 15:39.35 | error3_ | pubkey authentication is just: pubkey is copied on the target machine... so that you can log in without typing a password (but the passphrase) |
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| 15:39.59 | humle85 | moof2 no, but i whant to make sure my owncloud stays secure. Else i could just buy a dropbox |
| 15:40.10 | error3_ | locally you have the private key (which is the one which is password protected) in your .ssh/ |
| 15:40.55 | humle85 | okey so it encrypts the whole thing with the pubkey insted and used it to auth |
| 15:40.56 | moof2 | and there lies the potential weakness... if someone gets ahold of the private keys and the public keys, they can bruteforce the passphrase |
| 15:41.16 | themill | If someone has the private keys they don't need to bruteforce anything. |
| 15:41.37 | humle85 | :-/ there whent the security |
| 15:41.42 | moof2 | or with a cypher |
| 15:41.43 | error3_ | well they need if the private key is passphrase protected themill |
| 15:42.11 | themill | error3_: sure, but that's not really having the private key. |
| 15:42.17 | error3_ | that's true :) |
| 15:42.18 | humle85 | but a 16 cha. password would take forever ? |
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| 15:42.33 | error3_ | humle85: should take a long time |
| 15:42.36 | moof2 | that would be true in the case where you leave the passphrase blank when creating the key pair |
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| 15:42.55 | error3_ | that and 2-factor and limited IP to connect is the ultimate protection |
| 15:42.57 | error3_ | ;) |
| 15:43.15 | humle85 | error3_ sound like the way to go :) |
| 15:43.20 | humle85 | *sound |
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| 15:43.22 | humle85 | s |
| 15:43.33 | error3_ | and you can also do some |
| 15:43.34 | moof2 | well :) there's an even more ultimate way... |
| 15:43.36 | error3_ | port knocking |
| 15:43.38 | phy1729 | error3_: I thought unplugging the the ethernet was the ultimate |
| 15:43.38 | error3_ | lol |
| 15:43.43 | moof2 | disconnect your net |
| 15:43.48 | humle85 | haha |
| 15:43.49 | error3_ | phy1729: ok correct |
| 15:44.04 | humle85 | wonder if a rra |
| 15:44.21 | error3_ | humle85: so are you going to use port knocking too? |
| 15:44.31 | moof2 | that would be the far edge is as far as usefulness is concerned |
| 15:44.41 | error3_ | lol |
| 15:44.47 | humle85 | if a raspberry pi would have enouhg power to run some security features |
| 15:45.37 | themill | humle85: fail2ban isn't great in situations where you're short on memory |
| 15:47.20 | blackjack | moof2: what is secure it do? You mean, secure it is a package with fail2ban with it as well? As well as securing SSh? |
| 15:48.08 | humle85 | error3_ that perhaps would be a overkill :) |
| 15:48.10 | humle85 | accully got hold on 2 cisco routers, dont know though if im up to setting them up |
| 15:48.11 | humle85 | but think the one has some firewalls features, and the other one a vpn integreatet. |
| 15:48.37 | moof2 | blackjack, I'm using "secure it" as a metaphor... the point is it's way way overbroad, and there are a LOT of moving parts under it |
| 15:48.58 | humle85 | themill, then the rasp isent the one to run it :(. Would have been greate to use one of them |
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| 15:50.50 | moof2 | blackjack, in the old days, there weren't many scripting languages... and so sysadmins would dynamically respond to attacks by coding something in C, possibly even in the kernel, to stop the attacks |
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| 15:50.58 | themill | humle85: it can work fine for it. But like anything else on the rpi, don't expect it to perform like a machine that it is not. |
| 15:51.17 | blackjack | so moof2 if i install secure it. Even with its default setting, im good to go? |
| 15:51.34 | moof2 | they weren't responding to the general question "how do I statically secure my net from anything" |
| 15:52.04 | moof2 | blackjack, you're misunderstanding, and/or I'm not explaining properly |
| 15:52.31 | humle85 | themill your right, i expect to much of the little beatty :) but perphaps a better pc is the solution running it |
| 15:53.10 | moof2 | "secure it" is a large collection of actions and concepts, it's NOT a software package |
| 15:53.32 | blackjack | because moof2 right now i only had installed fail2ban. and it is on its default setting. I noticed though that when im in shell, i always got disconnected if i go idle, is it because of fail2ban? |
| 15:53.55 | blackjack | ok moof2. I thought it was a 'security package' |
| 15:54.12 | moof2 | by the same token, becoming more secure is NOT a matter of installing something and then forgetting it: the best people that do securing realize they have to handle each specific situation as it comes |
| 15:54.15 | blackjack | so your saying secure it is just an idealism? Something of that aspect? |
| 15:54.24 | moof2 | yes |
| 15:54.29 | phy1729 | moof2: it'd make for a neat meta-package; although it'd also suggest security is just instaling a bunch of stuff and that's it |
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| 15:55.22 | moof2 | it's really about answering the question "what outside actions that are happening RIGHT NOW do I want to be protected from" |
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| 15:56.51 | moof2 | and then considering how you want to use the answers to that question |
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| 15:57.37 | blackjack | and part of that is always reading your logs in both firewall and auth.log? |
| 15:57.57 | blackjack | and ofcourse have everything patched. |
| 15:58.01 | moof2 | sure, that's one thing that's good to do |
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| 15:59.04 | blackjack | im just practicing how to secure my vps (not that theres something vaulable there) |
| 15:59.13 | moof2 | installing a known OS could be considered insecure, as the black-hat side may already have working exploits that are not yet reported (because the black hats are working hard to find the exploits) |
| 15:59.19 | blackjack | im partly trying to learn things :) |
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| 15:59.57 | phy1729 | moof2: you know the old saying about security by obsurity |
| 15:59.59 | humle85 | Thanks guys, continue to have a great sunday :) |
| 16:00.18 | blackjack | i think most of the blackhat are also the ones who created most parts of the codes, they just know how to break it |
| 16:00.31 | moof2 | it's not security at all unless you can verify the obscurity |
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| 16:00.56 | phy1729 | heh |
| 16:01.31 | moof2 | humle85, have fun... I think I'm gonna play some music later |
| 16:01.55 | blackjack | moof2, where do i read the logins and logouts (and reason of logout), is there any? |
| 16:02.11 | moof2 | auth.log? |
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| 16:02.18 | blackjack | like in irc. some logouts are because of ping time out or client exit. Where do i look for this logs on the shell? |
| 16:02.25 | blackjack | only auth.log? |
| 16:02.26 | moof2 | well maybe you can interpret reasons, not sure about that |
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| 16:03.06 | blackjack | i just wonder why after i installed fail2ban, i always discover im not already logged on my shell. with unkown error when i Idle too much |
| 16:03.10 | blackjack | that never happened before |
| 16:03.17 | moof2 | for logins and logouts? there are other logs, and auth.log should cover them too |
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| 16:04.46 | moof2 | and, you should find out exactly how the logs actually work for your system, as well as: what type of messages go to what file, and how the system determines what type of message a log entry is |
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| 16:08.09 | blackjack | moof2: the auth.log is to general, is there any other logs or can i create something that only monitors all the logins/logouts and what user that is? (ofcourse with its ip on it) |
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| 16:25.12 | magn0z_ | hey. trying to upgrade my squeeze to wheezy. most things went OK, but now my mysql-server won't start. it just says "failed" when it tries to start it. where can i find more information about what went wrong on my system? during the upgrade, i noticed that it removed mysql-server-5.1 and replaced it with mysql-server |
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| 16:27.55 | themill | magn0z_: do you have the mysql-server-5.5 package installed? |
| 16:28.51 | magn0z_ | yes, it seems to be the problematic package (mysql-server and mysql-server-5.5) |
| 16:28.58 | magn0z_ | they fail to install |
| 16:29.25 | themill | magn0z_: can you pastebin the full output of "aptitude install mysql-server-5.5" for me? |
| 16:29.38 | magn0z_ | alright |
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| 16:30.56 | magn0z_ | themill, http://pastebin.com/K4kU3kEQ |
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| 16:31.57 | themill | magn0z_: (unrelated, you might want to talk to your hosting provider about fixing the vzreboot thing) |
| 16:32.11 | themill | magn0z_: have a look in /var/log/daemon.log for error messages from mysql |
| 16:32.12 | magn0z_ | during apt-get dist-upgrade, it also asked me for a new mysql root password. i gave it one, and later received an error that it was unable to set it and concluded that it may already be set. not sure if this is related |
| 16:33.51 | magn0z_ | daemon.log doesn't give much details, http://pastebin.com/U9hWiq6B |
| 16:35.12 | magn0z_ | themill, about the vzreboot thing, i noticed it too. i did some quick googling and discovered that others had issues getting the box back online after they got this error. so far i have not rebooted my box yet, do you know if the insserv issue will brick my box (as in unreachable remotely) if i reboot it without first fixing the vzreboot thing? |
| 16:35.16 | themill | ahh. did you delete the debian-sys-maint user at some stage? |
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| 16:36.34 | magn0z_ | themill, hm, well. not that i know of, but i can't swear it's still there. i assume you talk about the mysql user debian-sys-maint? |
| 16:36.44 | themill | yes |
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| 16:36.52 | themill | !I forgot mysql root password |
| 16:36.53 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 16:37.38 | magn0z_ | will re-setting the root password recreate the debian-sys-maint? |
| 16:38.05 | themill | magn0z_: so going through that procedure and setting the mysql password would probably be enough. You may need to try to reconfigure the mysql-server and mysql-server-5.5 packages as well |
| 16:38.30 | magn0z_ | im pretty sure my mysql root password is OK |
| 16:38.37 | magn0z_ | but ill try the above |
| 16:38.46 | magn0z_ | thank you |
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| 16:43.09 | hikenboot | hello postfix --permissions is looking for a bunch of dependent files. found them all except dict_sdbm.so package postfix-dev install dict_sdbm.h but not the other file anyone able to help |
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| 16:43.25 | hikenboot | using wheezy |
| 16:43.33 | magn0z_ | it seems like mysqld --skip-grant-tables won't start as root user, and it recommends me to run as mysql user. whats the best way to do this? just "su mysql" doesn't work since mysql-user has /bin/false as its shell |
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| 16:46.52 | hikenboot | isnt the command mysql -u root ? |
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| 16:48.31 | hikenboot | its burried in my videos somewhere but I dont remember where |
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| 16:51.14 | hikenboot | anyone able to help with my issue? |
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| 16:52.00 | hikenboot | is it caused by postfix not being compiled in the package with the option for the dict_sdbm.so file? |
| 16:52.16 | hikenboot | bb in a few to see if anyone replied |
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| 17:09.56 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, question, I just ran a MemTest, and I got 33 errors, I've been having a segfault in dmesg with Chromium, I assume that this is the problem, I wonder if there is any tool on Debian to check my hardware stability, if everything is working fine. |
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| 17:18.33 | tdn | If I am to install debian on RAID10 and I have 4 drives /dev/sda,sdb,sdc,sdd, does it then matter which I use for what? Does the installer/mdadm itself select whichs ones to use as mirror and which ones to use as stripes? |
| 17:18.45 | Yowshi | a gparted error seems to have turned my root folder into an unknown filesystem is there anyway to save the installation? |
| 17:19.18 | Yowshi | i currently have a system rescue usb disk loaded onto the laptop |
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| 17:22.36 | musca | !tell tdn about md |
| 17:23.45 | musca | !tell tdn about lvm2 |
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| 17:25.19 | moof2 | later installers know how to make raid physical vols, lvm things, partition them and arrange for their mounting in the final installation |
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| 17:27.07 | Yowshi | a gparted error seems to have turned my root folder into an unknown filesystem is there anyway to save the installation? |
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| 17:28.39 | musca | Yowshi: what command or action did you do with gparted? |
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| 17:29.37 | Yowshi | musca: i used it to mvoe the root partition after shortening my windows partityion to grab some more free space for me /usr partition |
| 17:30.40 | mumpitze1 | Yowshi: how are you trying to mount it and what is the error? |
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| 17:31.29 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: it wont mount actually the system boots into grub rescue. |
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| 17:33.02 | mumpitze1 | Yowshi: have you tried to mount it yourself? |
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| 17:34.43 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: i just tried in the system rescue cd and it says the device /dev/sda3 doesnt seem to have a valid ntfs |
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| 17:35.29 | mumpitze1 | then it's not a root partition is it? ntfs definitely isn't your root partition |
| 17:35.32 | mumpitze1 | and this is a windows problem. however: everyone knows to have backups before even starting gparted |
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| 17:37.03 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: it is the root partition it's in the right place. but the fsarchiver lists it as an unknown filesystem |
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| 17:38.10 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: yeahyeah but i dont have an external hardrive which can backup 200+ gigs of data. |
| 17:38.18 | Yowshi | not everyone does |
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| 17:39.22 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: my thinking is it cant mount the root partition because it doesnt know the filesystem. it mounts the other ext4 partyitions perfectly |
| 17:39.31 | mumpitze1 | Yowshi: last chance: how exactly are you trying to mount it? |
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| 17:39.51 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/linux |
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| 17:40.02 | mumpitze1 | or what does file(1) say about the filesystem? |
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| 17:40.25 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: whats file(1) |
| 17:40.26 | wo0f | i have a .deb, how can i look inside it? |
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| 17:40.53 | mumpitze1 | wo0f: dpkg -x |
| 17:40.59 | wo0f | mumpitze1: cheers |
| 17:41.03 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: i did say i currently have the system rescue cd booted |
| 17:41.21 | mumpitze1 | and it has no file(1) command? |
| 17:41.48 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: no |
| 17:42.00 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: it has file |
| 17:42.24 | mumpitze1 | excellent. then I suggest you use it? |
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| 17:42.55 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: use it how? i've never uised file before |
| 17:42.58 | wo0f | ummm |
| 17:43.03 | wo0f | mumpitze1: bad intel :/ |
| 17:43.26 | mumpitze1 | wo0f: how so? |
| 17:43.29 | synchris | Yowshi: file -s /dev/sdX |
| 17:43.49 | wo0f | mumpitze1: there is not -x switch |
| 17:43.53 | wo0f | no* |
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| 17:44.06 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: it says /dev/sda3: data |
| 17:44.08 | mumpitze1 | wo0f: dpkg-deb -x |
| 17:44.34 | wo0f | ahhh |
| 17:44.38 | wo0f | :) |
| 17:45.23 | mumpitze1 | Yowshi: then I suggest you do something like this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-find-alternative-superblocks/ chances are your / is long gone and you will have to reinstall however |
| 17:45.31 | mumpitze1 | it's /, so the loss of data shouldn't be too bad |
| 17:45.40 | wo0f | mumpitze1: thanks again |
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| 17:45.57 | olga_ | How can i change kernel compression? |
| 17:46.02 | olga_ | (type) |
| 17:46.11 | mumpitze1 | olga_: usually by compiling your own kernel |
| 17:46.46 | olga_ | mumpitze1, and if i didnt want my own, just compress differently the one i have.. ? |
| 17:46.48 | synchris | mumpitze1: he could also try mkfs -S |
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| 17:47.44 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: yeah probably dumpe2fs cant find the filesystem superblock |
| 17:47.49 | synchris | (if nothing works) |
| 17:48.09 | mumpitze1 | olga_: not gonna happen |
| 17:48.18 | mumpitze1 | synchris: good idea but don't tell me, but him |
| 17:48.56 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: so roots toast and i should reinstall debian and be thankful i have a seperate home folder so i can tell the install thats home but dont format? |
| 17:48.57 | synchris | Yowshi: the last solution is mkfs.ext4 -S /dev/sdX |
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| 17:49.59 | mumpitze1 | Yowshi: it probably is toast. but I'd first try to salveage the way I and synchris have outlined |
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| 17:50.02 | synchris | at least u will save anything u critical and backup it |
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| 17:50.34 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: synchris ok did that but the system boots into grub rescue which i also dont know how to use |
| 17:51.34 | mumpitze1 | you did what exactly? |
| 17:51.47 | mumpitze1 | nowhere did we tell you to boot your broken debian, did we? |
| 17:52.18 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: no you didnt anyway i just used the command synchris gave and let it do it's thing then rebooted |
| 17:52.33 | mumpitze1 | *facepalm* |
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| 17:52.41 | mumpitze1 | that is the LAST thing you should have done, not the first |
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| 17:53.04 | mumpitze1 | now your data is lost for sure. you didn't even do it the right way in the first place |
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| 17:54.07 | ikus060 | Hello, I have an issue with my mouse. For unknown reason it stop working (pointer doesn't move, no click) while the touchpad continue to respond. Any tips ? |
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| 17:54.29 | mumpitze1 | ikus060: check the Xorg.0.log maybe? |
| 17:55.01 | mumpitze1 | syslog too. one of them might have some reason why it stopped |
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| 17:56.11 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: well my bad well now i have two options scrap the windows partition or scrap the old install and just dont format my home partition |
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| 17:56.36 | mumpitze1 | why? is the windows partition affected as well? |
| 17:57.11 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: i doubt it. unlress that shotrening foobared as well but i cant tell cause i cant boot into my windows |
| 17:57.14 | korkman | converting a vserver to kvm, i'm currently stuck in a buggy sysvinit. instead of shutdown, it asks for ctrl-d for maintenance. also on boot, root can log in without password. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 17:57.36 | mumpitze1 | you can still mount the ntfs partition... |
| 17:57.57 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: well i will know once i finish making the debian live stick |
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| 17:58.24 | mumpitze1 | korkman: do you get a login prompt when you boot it? |
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| 17:58.47 | mumpitze1 | korkman: and the shutdown, there will be an error. tell us the first error, not the last one |
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| 17:58.48 | korkman | mumpitze1: yes, after fixing inittab. it seems the vserver setup scripts have mangled the system |
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| 17:59.16 | mumpitze1 | so if you get a login prompt where you can log in as root, set a root password? |
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| 18:00.11 | korkman | mumpitze1: i just noticed "startpar: services returnd failure: mountall-bootclean.sh mountnfs-bootclean.sh x11-common screen-cleanup bootmisc.sh udev-mtab" |
| 18:00.39 | korkman | mumpitze1: well there's a passwd in place i don't want to change the root password |
| 18:00.42 | Yowshi | this time no seperate /usr partition it kept filling up |
| 18:01.29 | korkman | mumpitze1: oh wait, there's actually no password set for root in that passwd. strange ... |
| 18:02.25 | Yowshi | unfortunatly i have to do the install with no net :{ |
| 18:02.32 | korkman | mumpitze1: that's for the password part. now init 0 results in "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" ... no shutdown |
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| 18:04.45 | Arrowmaster | i just tried to purge uninstalled packages with leftover config files and gline,gnibbles,gnobots2 cant be purged |
| 18:04.51 | Arrowmaster | on jessie |
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| 18:10.07 | synchris | mumpitze1: he stills has the data |
| 18:10.19 | synchris | mumpitze1: e2fsck will put those data in lost+found |
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| 18:11.41 | synchris | unsorted maby without names some of them but still worth |
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| 18:25.02 | korkman | hum i can't upgrade an etch to squeeze because squeeze libc requires a newer dpkg which in turn requires the new libc |
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| 18:27.25 | leftist | good afternoon. i wanted to know if anyone has run debian server in this environment? http://tinyurl.com/ld8g2um |
| 18:28.56 | ompaul | leftist: random links don't work for a lot of people ... description in http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:29.29 | leftist | ompaul yeah ok |
| 18:29.55 | leftist | well it's a Sun Sun Fire X2200 M2 2x 2.6GHz DC 16GB Server |
| 18:30.07 | leftist | cut to the quick |
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| 18:31.04 | korkman | oh my i totally forgot about lenny! upgrading to lenny first should solve my latest problem ... |
| 18:31.52 | ompaul | korkman: ime not that you'll want it, if lenny is the answer then the question is wrong ;-) |
| 18:32.16 | blackjack | whats the difference between ssh-keygen -t rsa and to that of dsa? |
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| 18:33.39 | boudiccas | how can i change the root password of 'roundcube' without logging in please? Its not accepting the one i set when installing it from .deb packages |
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| 18:36.18 | Yowshi | oh for the love of which debian iso do i need for a usb live /installer stick |
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| 18:37.08 | mtn | Yowshi: net install is a good choice. |
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| 18:37.52 | Yowshi | mtn: net install use wireless? |
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| 18:38.34 | mtn | Yowshi: depends on your wireless if it will work or not, there is also an iso with firmware, which allows most wireless cards to work during install |
| 18:39.12 | Yowshi | mtn: well if it doesnt work with my wireless then netinstall wouldnt work |
| 18:39.34 | Yowshi | mtn: also i need a live stick not just an install i need to test my windows partition before i decide anything |
| 18:39.41 | mtn | Yowshi: type this for info about wireless firmware: /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 18:41.40 | korkman | hmm it seems my /tmp is read-only at boot time |
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| 18:46.25 | Yowshi | mtn: nope it's missing firmware for my wifi also this isnt a live cd either |
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| 18:46.59 | voxadam | Are there any Debian "forks" that use systemd by default? |
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| 18:47.41 | ompaul | voxadam: ask them :) |
| 18:47.44 | mtn | Yowshi: there is a debian live cd site, which might be of some use, but will probably be missing firmware for your card. |
| 18:48.12 | voxadam | ompaul: The "them" I decided to start with was #Debian. |
| 18:48.13 | voxadam | :) |
| 18:48.19 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 18:48.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:49.04 | Yowshi | mtn: well this is why i wanted a full install dvd in the first place. which i have so i can run the install here get the system at leat working then take it homke with my own internet and get it updated and stuff. the live part i want cause i want to test my windows partition see if it also got foobarred |
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| 18:49.50 | mtn | Yowshi: the full install dvd won't be a live disk and won't have your firmware, I believe |
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| 18:50.23 | Yowshi | mtn: thats fine i wont need wifi if i had a full install dvd it should have all the packages i would need to get the system up no? |
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| 18:50.43 | Yowshi | mtn: my ethernet card works i just canty get net access on the laptop right now |
| 18:50.49 | mtn | Yowshi: depending on what you need to be "up", yes I think so |
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| 18:52.02 | Yowshi | mtn: up meaning the packages needed for me to go home and then update install missing software like pidgin and basically get started on the process of restoring things |
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| 18:52.38 | Yowshi | mtn: but i could really use a live cd ... bugger it i'll use the ubuntu image i have to make ma live cd |
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| 18:53.35 | Yowshi | mtn: not to mention i am just more comnfortable installing from a live disk environment |
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| 18:58.28 | SARC | I have an amd64 installation of Wheezy. I write and compile code for amd64 with no problems. I want to also compile for i386. I have enabled multiarch to download and install the i386 dev packages required by my code. I have also installed gcc-multilib and added -m32 flags for the compiler and linker. Is this the correct procedure or am I missing something? |
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| 19:09.04 | JohnnyL | what's a good graphics card for debian? one in which xgamma or xrand can actually change brightness levels? |
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| 19:13.02 | korkman | is booting from a single partition as root + boot a problem? |
| 19:14.16 | korkman | i always get messages /tmp is read-only |
| 19:14.44 | Yowshi | mtn: is there anything specific i should know about installing without formatting my home partition before i try it? |
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| 19:16.03 | Yowshi | mumpitze1: or you do you know if theres anything specific i need to be aware of before i try this |
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| 19:17.48 | korkman | why is my sytem asking for root password on shutdown ... also, network doesn't come up. how can i screw up sysvinit that badly? |
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| 19:18.55 | mtn | Yowshi: the most important thing is do a backup first |
| 19:19.14 | Yowshi | mtn: it isnt possible i dont have anything i could store that much data on |
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| 19:20.10 | Yowshi | not everyone has a 500 gb external hard drive laying around unused specifrically for backing up their entire hard drive |
| 19:20.28 | mtn | Yowshi: well, that is too bad. I guess the only you can do is make sure you don't format your home partition. |
| 19:20.39 | mtn | only thing |
| 19:20.42 | Yowshi | mtn: well thats a simple psart. i've done that before |
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| 19:21.06 | Yowshi | mtn: this isnt the first time i nuked my linux system |
| 19:21.08 | mtn | Yowshi: pay attention and you should be okay. highwire with no net! |
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| 19:21.30 | Yowshi | mtn: been there done that now watch me juggle these system killing commands :P |
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| 19:22.19 | Yowshi | just gotta unetbootin the debian dvd |
| 19:22.23 | korkman | when i boot the kernel with rw how the heck can tmpfs be read-only |
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| 19:22.54 | korkman | it isn't tmpfs at all, it's just /tmp |
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| 19:23.56 | hikenboot | to start I appologise if someone replies, my hexchat roll back lines were set to only 500 lines so if someone replied I appologies for the repeat in advance. |
| 19:23.58 | hikenboot | I am trying to get postfix --setpermissions to work in debian 7, unfortunately it is looking for dict_sdbm.so, it does not appear to be in postfix-dev like it is suppsed to be but dict_sdbm.h is there, how do I fix? |
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| 19:37.47 | JohnnyL | no errors nothing. |
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| 19:40.21 | musca | dpkg -L name-of-your.deb |
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| 19:44.14 | musca | sorry, -L is only for packages |
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| 19:50.09 | monod | hi experts, I joined #nautilus on irc.gnome.org to ask about adding a button on the nautilus interface, but there's only idlers in there :/ |
| 19:50.19 | monod | do you have any suggestion? |
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| 19:51.16 | brontosaurusrex | monod, what is the mission? |
| 19:51.21 | NotJimCa1rey | how do i change irssi hotkeys n config from ALT to CTRL? |
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| 19:51.53 | monod | brontosaurusrex, it's really simple: add a "Go to parent folder" button. |
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| 19:52.20 | NotJimCa1rey | tried key="^-1" |
| 19:52.49 | monod | are you answering me, NotJimCa1rey ? |
| 19:53.02 | NotJimCa1rey | no monod |
| 19:53.08 | monod | oh okay, sorry |
| 19:53.19 | NotJimCa1rey | was adding to my question |
| 19:53.25 | brontosaurusrex | dunno, thunar has onw |
| 19:53.26 | Yowshi | ok dvd usb stick made lets see if this worksd |
| 19:53.27 | brontosaurusrex | one* |
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| 19:54.54 | Yowshi | mtn: is there any way to get this dvd install to get around it's need for a cd rom? |
| 19:56.00 | Yowshi | mtn os is the only install method for usb sticks the netinstall? |
| 19:57.28 | Yowshi | is netinstall the only way to install from a usbstick? |
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| 19:57.39 | abrotman | !loopback |
| 19:57.40 | dpkg | loopback is probably how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. |
| 19:57.44 | abrotman | no ... |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | Yowshi: mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
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| 19:58.36 | Yowshi | abrotman: you can do that while inside the cd installer? |
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| 20:00.19 | Yowshi | abrotman: basically i unetbootined the dvd installer onto a usb drive but the installer still demands a dvd |
| 20:00.24 | Yowshi | in the dvd drive |
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| 20:00.36 | krofna | I cannot open any graphical programs (except terminal), they all crash with "cannot find libGL.so."; I got libgl1-mesa-glx installed tho.. Help :D |
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| 20:01.24 | abrotman | krofna: were you still compiling things relating to X? |
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| 20:01.42 | abrotman | Yowshi: unetbootin a piece of shit, don't use it |
| 20:01.49 | krofna | abrotman: yeah, I am actually able to run 32bit programs which use opengl :D |
| 20:01.59 | krofna | but no 64bit |
| 20:02.03 | Yowshi | abrotman: what else should i use to get the debian install dvd onto my usb stick? |
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| 20:02.19 | abrotman | win32-diskimager |
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| 20:02.35 | Yowshi | abrotman: was that to me? |
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| 20:02.54 | abrotman | no, the other person asking about install images |
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| 20:04.29 | Yowshi | abrotman: what the writing to a physical device can corrupt the device? |
| 20:05.29 | brontosaurusrex | Yowshi, dd has worked for me in the past |
| 20:05.40 | Yowshi | brontosaurusrex: dd? |
| 20:06.03 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: he's using Windows |
| 20:06.09 | brontosaurusrex | oh |
| 20:06.11 | abrotman | Yowshi: use the win32diskimager |
| 20:06.13 | Yowshi | yeah college computer windows bleh |
| 20:06.20 | abrotman | i have no idea why people think i'm trying to be tricky |
| 20:06.36 | Yowshi | abrotman: i dont i was just somewhat alarmed when it said it could corrupt my device |
| 20:06.52 | abrotman | Yowshi: unetbootin is a piece of shit |
| 20:07.00 | krofna | dd works on windows as well |
| 20:07.03 | Yowshi | abrotman: why do you say that? |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | Yowshi: because it rarely works? |
| 20:07.20 | Yowshi | abrotman: it has always worked for me in the past |
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| 20:07.24 | abrotman | i think it seems obvious as your usage of it ends up broken |
| 20:07.29 | brontosaurusrex | krofna, cygwin? |
| 20:07.43 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: there's dd for windows |
| 20:08.06 | Yowshi | abrotman: i thought the dvd/cdrom issue thing of the installer was with the installer. it specifically weas looking at my cdrom |
| 20:08.07 | brontosaurusrex | ok, then we have solved that. |
| 20:08.08 | krofna | brontosaurusrex: Yeah. |
| 20:08.11 | Yowshi | or looking for |
| 20:08.33 | abrotman | Yowshi: okay, unetbootin is still a broken pile of crap |
| 20:08.53 | Yowshi | abrotman: it's never failed to put an image on a usb drive for me |
| 20:09.10 | abrotman | okay |
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| 20:09.21 | abrotman | apparently it failed today .. so 'never' seems a bit strong |
| 20:09.45 | Yowshi | abrotman: well it put the image on it and the image ran the installer just demanded the source be in the cdrom |
| 20:09.50 | abrotman | okay |
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| 20:10.07 | abrotman | i have no idea why you're still arguing with me .. seems you'd have better tihngs to do |
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| 20:10.23 | Yowshi | abrotman: i'm waiting on diskimager to do it's thing |
| 20:11.00 | krofna | *grabs popcorns* |
| 20:11.16 | Yowshi | wish the coffee shop here was open |
| 20:11.23 | Yowshi | i've been here for 6 hours |
| 20:11.26 | maroloccio | hi.. i have a *very* low spec machine which i'd like to use w/ the *lightest* ide possible (light but with enough functionality to be "usable").. what's my best bet on debian stable? lxde? xfce? "awesome"?! |
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| 20:11.34 | abrotman | IDE? or DE? |
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| 20:11.50 | abrotman | maroloccio: lxde is pretty light, i use it on my netbook |
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| 20:12.01 | abrotman | maroloccio: awesome is a tiling WM, not like traditional WMs |
| 20:12.07 | vt0r | maroloccio: LXDE is lighter than the original XFCE, but there's always fluxbox as well |
| 20:12.31 | SARC | When you enable Multiarch, can you have both amd64 and i386 versions of a dev package installed at the same time? |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | SARC: -dev packages are headers .. they'd be the same for both |
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| 20:14.43 | SARC | abrotman: i need to revisit what I am trying to do. I have an amd64 system, and would like to compile my own software for both amd64 and i386. I got some advice to enable multiarch and download the i386 versions of my dev packages. I guess that was bad advice? |
| 20:15.19 | maroloccio | abrotman: de, that was a typo |
| 20:15.22 | abrotman | SARC: depends how you're trying to compile them ... when you say "compile my own softare" are you recompiling Debian packages, or just tar.gz from random internets? |
| 20:16.04 | maroloccio | abrotman: i don't know anything about awesome.. is it something i can use/combine w/ other things? which ones? |
| 20:16.16 | maroloccio | abrotman: and thanks for paying attention and answering |
| 20:16.20 | abrotman | maroloccio: you're probably best using LXDE |
| 20:16.21 | SARC | abrotman: I'm compiling software that I wrote. The software uses packages (like libusb-dev and others) |
| 20:16.28 | maroloccio | vt0r: so you recommend lxde too? |
| 20:16.28 | abrotman | maroloccio: it's a familiar interface, etc |
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| 20:16.54 | maroloccio | can i run any gnome app in lxde if i want to? |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | SARC: so can you install libusb-dev:i386 and libusb-dev:amd64? what happens when you try? |
| 20:17.05 | abrotman | maroloccio: ytes |
| 20:17.06 | maroloccio | it handles gtk bindings no prob? |
| 20:17.19 | Yowshi | abrotman: yeah it's the installer.guess i have to go use the netinstaller back home |
| 20:17.22 | phunyguy | Hello, using KDE I am seeing a weird problem with a couple gtk apps... Shotwell for example, in some text boxes, I am not able to type, and no error when run from console. |
| 20:17.25 | abrotman | maroloccio: it should |
| 20:17.44 | phunyguy | I can put the cursor in the text box, but typing does nothing. |
| 20:17.45 | abrotman | Yowshi: you're saying the ISO is broken? |
| 20:17.51 | vt0r | maroloccio: For ease of use, yes I do. If you know gnome, you probably know LXDE. However, you would probably see even lower resource usage from fluxbox/openbox, but there's a very slight learning curve associated with figuring out startup/keys/other settings |
| 20:17.54 | maroloccio | abrotman: alright, so you said you used it for a while and find it usable? |
| 20:18.07 | abrotman | maroloccio: yeah, works well enough |
| 20:18.21 | Yowshi | abrotman: i'm saying the dvd installer is made such that it will only install via a cdrom or dvd drive |
| 20:18.23 | maroloccio | vt0r: i can pay the price (time to learn) to minimise resource consumption (very very old machine) |
| 20:18.30 | SARC | abrotman: For example, installing libgcrypt-dev:i386 forces libgcrypt-dev:amd64 to be removed. |
| 20:18.34 | maroloccio | abrotman: thank you. i appreciate it. |
| 20:19.01 | maroloccio | vt0r: does fluxbox have a simple (apt-get install) way to be switched to on debian stable? |
| 20:19.04 | vt0r | It's really not much time you'd have to spend, honestly. If you go with fluxbox over openbox, all the configuration files are plain text. |
| 20:19.11 | Yowshi | abrotman: oh and win diskimager has made it such that windows detects the usb as a bugerring 400kb drive |
| 20:19.14 | maroloccio | the current DE is just not usable, resource-wise |
| 20:19.15 | vt0r | Sure. apt-get install fluxbox |
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| 20:19.33 | maroloccio | vt0r: ah, and that puts it as a login option? |
| 20:19.52 | abrotman | Yowshi: i doubt that is true, but i'm not going to argue with you |
| 20:19.56 | maroloccio | vt0r: help me further, if you would please :) do i switch to "slim" too? is there a leaner login manager? |
| 20:20.02 | vt0r | You can either prefer it using your display manager, or you can configure it within .xinitrc or similar X startup method |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | SARC: the contents of the package are teh same AFAIK |
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| 20:20.19 | SARC | abrotman: ok |
| 20:20.40 | Yowshi | abrotman: ity is true i am looking at it right now it says 14.0kb free of 430kb |
| 20:20.47 | vt0r | maroloccio: I don't usually use display managers/login managers, so I can't really comment on any of them. |
| 20:20.51 | Yowshi | anyway laters gotta go home and use this net installer |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | SARC: eh, perhaps not |
| 20:21.03 | maroloccio | vt0r: explain, please. u do not use a gui at all? |
| 20:21.05 | abrotman | SARC: i forgot about the .a/.so files |
| 20:21.15 | maroloccio | vt0r: just the standard sttys? |
| 20:21.37 | maroloccio | vt0r: should i apt-get install fluxbox or openbox? |
| 20:21.38 | vt0r | maroloccio: Uhh.. That's not what I said. I don't use any display manager. I login via console and type "startx" |
| 20:21.46 | SARC | abrotman: i guess multiarch won't allow you to install both architectures side by side? |
| 20:21.46 | maroloccio | ah, ok |
| 20:21.51 | maroloccio | vt0r: i understand now |
| 20:22.00 | vt0r | Yes you should apt-get install fluxbox |
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| 20:22.07 | vt0r | You can test it out and see if you like it |
| 20:22.11 | maroloccio | vt0r: i am doing that now, i'll go with your advice! |
| 20:22.15 | vt0r | If you don't, just change back to the original |
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| 20:22.24 | maroloccio | vt0r: actually, i *am* going w/ your advice :) |
| 20:22.30 | vt0r | No problem. I hope you like it |
| 20:22.37 | maroloccio | vt0r: why the startx? |
| 20:22.49 | vt0r | Because I hate display managers |
| 20:23.14 | maroloccio | vt0r: is that not insecure? e.g. i could kill X and i would find myself in a logged in shell? |
| 20:23.33 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:23.54 | vt0r | I suppose it could be. I always start it as startx ; exit |
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| 20:24.07 | vt0r | However, this can easily be broken as well to get the prompt |
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| 20:24.42 | vt0r | I don't have any real physical access worries here at my house though, so I'm not worried |
| 20:25.02 | vt0r | physical access concerns* |
| 20:25.44 | maroloccio | i see |
| 20:26.08 | abrotman | would still use slim/lxde |
| 20:26.28 | maroloccio | abrotman: why? |
| 20:26.39 | maroloccio | abrotman: if you have a strong opinion about this, i'd love to hear it |
| 20:26.40 | vt0r | Never tried slim, but if it's any better than all the usual DM's, I'll look into it |
| 20:26.48 | maroloccio | slim is good |
| 20:26.54 | przemoc | hello, why http://kernel.alioth.debian.org/config/ is no longer updated? (or was it moved somewhere else?) |
| 20:26.57 | abrotman | maroloccio: i already told you why |
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| 20:27.10 | abrotman | przemoc: you'd have to ask the kernel packaging team |
| 20:27.25 | maroloccio | abrotman: i meant, specifically why *not* fluxbox |
| 20:27.37 | maroloccio | abrotman: maybe you are aware of probs with it, that's all |
| 20:28.11 | abrotman | maroloccio: a) I consider fluxbox a ripof from blackbox :) I used blackbox 15 years ago. Feels like cheating! b) It's probably not as straightforward for someone who has never used it |
| 20:28.16 | abrotman | ripoff |
| 20:28.41 | maroloccio | oh |
| 20:28.44 | abrotman | !tell vt0r about dm |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | vt0r: there are a few lightweight ones |
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| 20:29.07 | vt0r | dpkg: tell vt0r about dm |
| 20:29.11 | vt0r | :( |
| 20:29.13 | abrotman | though i'm not sure why people avoid them only to login immediately and startx |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | vt0r: /msg dpkg dm |
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| 20:29.26 | abrotman | vt0r: check your query window |
| 20:30.17 | vt0r | Got it from both of us. Guess my speakers are turned down |
| 20:30.40 | vt0r | I don't login immediately and startx however, so it makes sense for me |
| 20:31.04 | vt0r | Some times I just want to login on the terminal and do things from there |
| 20:31.32 | vt0r | startx happens only when I need to work (GUIs galore then), or when I feel like browsing the web and seeing it the same way everyone else does |
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| 20:31.57 | vt0r | But I like the looks of slim. Seems better than lightdm from what I'm reading |
| 20:32.09 | abrotman | and it has themes! |
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| 20:32.53 | maroloccio | i installed fluxbox, got it as an option at gdm (was trying gdm for a sec) |
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| 20:33.40 | maroloccio | selected it, logged in, loving it. i'll try lxde too (which i tried already a while ago but didn't convince me.. don't remember why though so i am giving it another go) |
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| 20:36.12 | vt0r | Great :) |
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| 20:39.08 | tdn | musca, thanks, but that does not really answer my question. I am aware of mdadm and lvm. |
| 20:39.11 | tdn | If I am to install debian on RAID10 and I have 4 drives /dev/sda,sdb,sdc,sdd, does it then matter which I use for what? Does the installer/mdadm itself select whichs ones to use as mirror and which ones to use as stripes? |
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| 20:40.04 | abrotman | tdn: all identical drives? |
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| 20:40.12 | carbohydrate | hey why is debian such an outdated piece of shit? have any of you ever heard of moving faster than a snail on recompiling shit? GET WITH THE TIME NECKBEARDS |
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| 20:40.52 | rudi_s | :D |
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| 20:42.41 | jelly-home | tdn: plan to use the same devices for both booting and raid10? |
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| 20:53.45 | maroloccio | i want to change dm. i have slim so dpkg-reconfigure slim works, takes me to the choice-of-dm-dialog. i doubt this is the "right" command though.. |
| 20:53.55 | maroloccio | is there a "dpkg --configure choosedm"?! |
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| 20:54.52 | abrotman | maroloccio: update-alternatives --config x-display-manager or something like that |
| 20:55.08 | maroloccio | abrotman: that's what i was looking for, thanks |
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| 20:56.10 | maroloccio | abrotman: and, finally, to really get this machine "working" again, with its stupid 64mb of ram... |
| 20:56.28 | maroloccio | how can i install/change slim themes, pls? |
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| 20:58.29 | abrotman | maroloccio: i'm sure the docs cover this, i've never had to do it myself |
| 20:59.12 | brontosaurusrex | maroloccio, i remeber they are simple to do, and i remember there is text conf somewhere. |
| 20:59.29 | maroloccio | abrotman: thank you. if you have a paypal account, i would not mind offering you a coffee as a token of appreciation for your help |
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| 21:00.09 | maroloccio | brontosaurusrex: prob with slim as it comes (default) on debian stable: it suggests sessions, like awesome, that are not actually available |
| 21:00.15 | maroloccio | that is kind of stupid on its part |
| 21:00.22 | maroloccio | it could check, it's a computer after all |
| 21:00.40 | brontosaurusrex | true |
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| 21:01.16 | maroloccio | and.. it does not detect that kde is installed. again, it should |
| 21:01.28 | maroloccio | so, it's broken available session types code |
| 21:01.33 | maroloccio | simple as that |
| 21:01.47 | esaym153 | how to get the current run level that I am in? |
| 21:02.15 | maroloccio | runlevel |
| 21:02.20 | maroloccio | left is "coming from" |
| 21:02.24 | maroloccio | right is "now in" |
| 21:02.29 | esaym153 | maroloccio: ty |
| 21:02.36 | maroloccio | /sbin/runlevel |
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| 21:03.14 | moof2 | maroloccio oh thtas why I can't run it... |
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| 21:04.30 | moof2 | esaym153, when you first install debian, the runlevels 2,3,4,5 are all the same |
| 21:04.31 | brontosaurusrex | my eee has been ftp downloading now for 3 days via wifi :D |
| 21:04.36 | brontosaurusrex | i guess its stable. |
| 21:05.23 | moof2 | ftp should be stable after all these years ;) |
| 21:05.47 | maroloccio | uptime -> 1970 |
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| 21:06.12 | maroloccio | hostname: brontosaurus.bell-labs.com |
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| 21:07.15 | brontosaurusrex | iam talking about brand new eee install, generally |
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| 21:08.13 | brontosaurusrex | did you know when Bell invented phone, it had already few unnanswered calls? |
| 21:08.47 | maroloccio | ah ah ah it was guglielmo marconi who was testing his radio bridge to PSTN |
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| 21:09.33 | brontosaurusrex | no, Chuck Norris of course... |
| 21:09.34 | Snader_LB | hi all. |
| 21:09.41 | wo0f | i $~touch ed a file in a web accessable folder (under apache) to a specific date |
| 21:10.06 | wo0f | and the date has now changed to some thing else, possible reason for this to happen? |
| 21:10.36 | wo0f | date was year 1337 if that matters (i.e. pre unix time) |
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| 21:10.50 | maroloccio | l337 = elite in hacker's terms |
| 21:10.55 | maroloccio | bad times |
| 21:10.59 | wo0f | om |
| 21:11.03 | maroloccio | bad times |
| 21:11.10 | wo0f | the year 1337 |
| 21:11.18 | wo0f | maroloccio: guessing you don't know |
| 21:11.29 | maroloccio | i was kiddin |
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| 21:11.45 | wo0f | genuine Q though :) |
| 21:12.00 | maroloccio | is it? |
| 21:12.12 | maroloccio | if so, you could watch a find -atime |
| 21:12.16 | jelly-home | wo0f: does your OS and filesystem support that date at all? |
| 21:12.19 | maroloccio | or use lsof |
| 21:12.20 | wo0f | been changed to 05-Aug-2426 18:24 now |
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| 21:12.22 | Snader_LB | will the Debian installer (i chose the `netinst' one) only need to fetch pacakges at the package selection stage? because, i'm seeing messages like ``DEBUG: resolves (<package name>): package doesn't exist (ignored)'' and ``DEBUG: retrieving <package name> <version>'' already in the partitioning stage |
| 21:12.32 | drhouse123 | hi! i have worst lags while using virtualbox on wheezy, memory is enough , but anyway =\ |
| 21:12.51 | wo0f | jelly-home: im not sure, like i say, its obv pre unix time. |
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| 21:12.59 | wo0f | jelly-home: standard debian |
| 21:13.02 | Snader_LB | wo0f: you might have been hacked |
| 21:13.07 | wo0f | touch certainly let me set that date |
| 21:13.08 | khronosschoty | hey I was wondering if this is a safe way to install oracle-java7-installer, on debian 6? (quote) echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.09 | backtrack-fr-irc | hi |
| 21:13.09 | drhouse123 | i guess it is related to disk io |
| 21:13.09 | khronosschoty | echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.10 | khronosschoty | apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886 |
| 21:13.11 | khronosschoty | apt-get update |
| 21:13.12 | khronosschoty | apt-get install oracle-java7-installer (end of quote) |
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| 21:13.16 | wo0f | Snader_LB: yeah this is what im thinking now |
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| 21:13.37 | backtrack-fr-irc | salut |
| 21:13.37 | Snader_LB | wo0f: put the machine offline, rebuilt from scratch |
| 21:13.47 | Snader_LB | rebuild* |
| 21:13.51 | backtrack-fr-irc | je veux faire une premiere mis a jour |
| 21:13.51 | backtrack-fr-irc | de debian |
| 21:13.59 | monod | !fr |
| 21:14.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 21:14.02 | backtrack-fr-irc | commment je dois faire |
| 21:14.07 | jelly-home | khronosschoty: mixing in packages from a different distro is seldom safe |
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| 21:14.24 | monod | backtrack-fr-irc, ^ |
| 21:14.27 | khronosschoty | what is the best way to ask if a small example is good? I got banned for floody but it was hardle more then 4 lines |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | monod: no, wrong channel, this isn't #backtrack-linux |
| 21:14.38 | franco00 | longshot, but: anyone using gnu freetalk here? |
| 21:14.46 | brontosaurusrex | khronosschoty, use pastebin |
| 21:14.48 | monod | khronosschoty, just use pastine |
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| 21:14.53 | monod | pastebins* |
| 21:15.09 | khronosschoty | what is pasebins? |
| 21:15.16 | khronosschoty | pastebins? |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 21:16.15 | brontosaurusrex | or use cli tools, like "pastebininit mytext" |
| 21:16.20 | monod | you paste there, then link here khronosschoty |
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| 21:18.09 | khronosschoty | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9bc1889/ |
| 21:19.20 | khronosschoty | I am hoping that is a good or advisable method for installing java 7 on debian 6 |
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| 21:21.30 | brontosaurusrex | khronosschoty, its generally not a good idea to use buntu ppas |
| 21:21.41 | brontosaurusrex | at least thats what i've been told. |
| 21:22.06 | khronosschoty | okay thanks. should I just install from source and use checkinstall |
| 21:22.52 | brontosaurusrex | that should be better |
| 21:23.28 | khronosschoty | okay thanks |
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| 21:37.03 | wo0f | should i be worried seeing this in my logs: |
| 21:37.06 | wo0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.18 | wo0f | why is cron opening sessions? |
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| 21:39.23 | khronosschoty | I know things a going to be a mess, when I run the tar command and it says that the compressed file I am trying to un tar is not a gzip even tho it has that extension =( |
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| 21:40.56 | Seegee | Hello, does anyone know about iptables here? |
| 21:41.56 | jhutchin1_wk | khronosschoty: Yeah, bad download. You might check with file to see if it's just mis-labeled. |
| 21:42.07 | jhutchin1_wk | khronosschoty: Ideally you should buid a package. |
| 21:42.41 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: Yes. |
| 21:43.00 | Snader_LB | Seegee: better try #netfilter |
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| 21:43.17 | jhutchin1_wk | wo0f: That's how it runs jobs. |
| 21:43.24 | Snader_LB | Seegee: (as seen in "/list #iptables") |
| 21:43.34 | Seegee | Ok, I have a question, I have 5 ips assigned to my server, and I want to redirect only one of them to a different host, I tried this, but it does not work: |
| 21:43.34 | Seegee | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 173.208.230.107 -p tcp --dport 80 iptables -t nat -nvL-j DNAT --to-destination 38.105.20.226:80 |
| 21:43.50 | Seegee | It works without the -s |
| 21:43.56 | Seegee | but that does it on my servers main IP |
| 21:43.58 | khronosschoty | Thanks for the tips jhutchin1_wk |
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| 21:44.27 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: You need a -d with the address you're trying to forward. |
| 21:44.37 | Seegee | What does the -s do? |
| 21:44.42 | SamWeasley | Hello! Need some help with SANE network setup |
| 21:44.51 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: source, I think. |
| 21:45.38 | SamWeasley | Want to setup SANE network for don't ask passwords (for a small home network) |
| 21:46.00 | jhutchin1_wk | SamWeasley: Should be in the docs. |
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| 21:46.49 | SamWeasley | jhutchin1_wk: google-fu'ed for it and nothing |
| 21:47.30 | jhutchin1_wk | SamWeasley: /usr/share/doc/sane*/ |
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| 21:47.47 | Seegee | jhutchin1_wk: when I do it with -d, it does not work |
| 21:47.54 | Seegee | The HTTP on that IP just doesn't load |
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| 21:48.41 | Seegee | Exited by accident |
| 21:48.44 | Seegee | can you say that again? |
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| 21:51.07 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: -d specifies the destination address of the incoming packet. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but that's how you want to pick which IP gets forwarded. |
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| 21:51.38 | maroloccio | i have 64mb of ram. can i fit a minimalistic debian stable to just use sttys? |
| 21:51.54 | maroloccio | current installation is 90mb, and it swaps like crazy (obviously) |
| 21:51.57 | Seegee | jhutchin1_wk, could it be how my IP's are setup? I just added the range in network-scripts |
| 21:52.16 | khronosschoty | wow working with java… not very friendly. I need it to run a irc bot I want to use. |
| 21:52.26 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: If it's a valid address for the interface then it should work. |
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| 21:52.43 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: The inbound packets actually have to be addressed to that specific IP. |
| 21:52.44 | khronosschoty | cannot not even get a good download, anyone work with java jdk 7 on debian 6 32 bit? |
| 21:53.09 | jhutchin1_wk | ,versions java |
| 21:53.10 | judd | No package named 'java' was found in i386. |
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| 21:53.32 | dvs | ,v openjdk |
| 21:53.33 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in i386. |
| 21:53.38 | dvs | bah |
| 21:53.48 | khronosschoty | what kind of craziness is this? |
| 21:54.16 | khronosschoty | I knew there was something bad sounding when I heard the name java.. I never liked the sound of java LOL |
| 21:54.20 | jhutchin1_wk | Not sure what versions of java is available now. I think we dropped sun-java after 6. |
| 21:54.23 | Seegee | jhutchin1_wk, would it help to see a dump of my ifconfig command? |
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| 21:54.45 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: How about just the one line? |
| 21:54.53 | jhutchin1_wk | !paste |
| 21:54.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:55.12 | Seegee | jhutchin1_wk, http://pastebin.com/i6RC5E1V |
| 21:55.45 | dvs | ,v openjdk-6-jre |
| 21:55.46 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; wheezy: 6b27-1.12.5-1; jessie: 6b27-1.12.5-2; sid: 6b27-1.12.5-2 |
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| 21:57.00 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: I'd suggest googling "iptables forward specific ip" and/or variations and get a specific recipie. It's a picky subject, and there's some trial-and-error involved. |
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| 21:57.42 | maroloccio | how tight can debian stable get.. in terms of memory consumption |
| 21:57.45 | maroloccio | how many mb |
| 21:58.03 | khronosschoty | 32 bit windows versions of jdk 7 spammed all over. and unfortanutly the irc bot I Want to use strictly needs jdk 7 |
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| 21:58.23 | jhutchin1_wk | !ig |
| 21:58.24 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 21:59.11 | jhutchin1_wk | maroloccio: See above. There are ways to reduce memory consumption. It will run in 512M, but you may not be happy. It runs very nicely in 2G if you're not a window hog. |
| 21:59.17 | dvs | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 21:59.18 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u21-2.3.9-5; sid: 7u25-2.3.10-1 |
| 21:59.22 | Seegee | jhutchin1_wk, are my ips setup correctly? |
| 21:59.37 | jhutchin1_wk | Seegee: As far as I can tell. |
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| 22:00.49 | maroloccio | jhutchin1_wk: thanks for answering mate |
| 22:01.06 | maroloccio | i could use a "minimise resource consumption in debian stable" guide |
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| 22:01.59 | jhutchin1_wk | maroloccio: If you're looking at non-Intel hardware, you may want to look at something like emdebian for embedded systems; if you're using very old hardware look for distributions dedicated to that purpose - there have been a couple, but I don't know if they're still active. |
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| 22:02.50 | maroloccio | jhutchin1_wk: good advice. it's intel, though.. and i have 64mb. i have got it down to 90.. but really it wants 200.. |
| 22:02.57 | jhutchin1_wk | maroloccio: Linux will always use all available memory. The question is at what point does it begin to swap, and at what point does it swap so much it's unusable. |
| 22:03.13 | maroloccio | it swaps like crazy, it will break the disk soon |
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| 22:04.06 | jhutchin1_wk | maroloccio: You're probably looking at applications using memory, not the base linux/debian system. Use simpler, non-GUI apps. |
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| 22:04.18 | khronosschoty | here is an example of something that gives me hope: http://paste.debian.net/13499/, but the thing is I still cannot understand one simple thing. How to download it!! Also I wonder what I am gettng into as far as this playing nice with the rest of the system, viz, the bot I want to use, that necessitates the need. |
| 22:04.42 | jhutchin1_wk | khronosschoty: Try installing the debian packages first. |
| 22:04.59 | jhutchin1_wk | khronosschoty: dvs dug up some info on that for you. |
| 22:05.14 | jhutchin1_wk | khronosschoty: We can and do not support installing from third-party source here. |
| 22:05.14 | dvs | props up |
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| 22:05.29 | khronosschoty | it is a wheezy program tho? |
| 22:05.30 | deuterium | hia. in which packages is htpasswd? |
| 22:05.37 | khronosschoty | is that going to work on sqeeze? |
| 22:06.13 | Warp4 | debhelper .htpasswd is created by you |
| 22:06.29 | Warp4 | deuterium .htpasswd is usually created by the admin |
| 22:06.32 | brontosaurusrex | maroloccio, perhaps livarp |
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| 22:08.28 | khronosschoty | I undertand. So in other words. The best course of action is to install wheezy if my need is great enough. I can understand the mess with helping to install third party could and should cause. |
| 22:08.38 | deuterium | Warp4: huh? i've been using linux since 1997.. i'm looking for the binary (or was it a script) to create these .htpasswd files. used to be called 'htpasswd', iirc. |
| 22:09.04 | Warp4 | deuterium for apache? |
| 22:09.13 | deuterium | yes |
| 22:09.15 | khronosschoty | is open jdk 7 going to be able work with something written for the comercial jdk in mind? or is it a test and go kind of thing? |
| 22:09.15 | codesoup | khronosschoty, you can also install that java7 in your home dir and add it to your path |
| 22:09.23 | deuterium | Warp4: darn, i found the mistake |
| 22:09.57 | deuterium | Warp4: i'm using proxmox, but the newest version of proxmox (3.0) eliminated apache completely |
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| 22:10.03 | codesoup | khronosschoty, it's just an archive file, you just untar it and add its dir to your path |
| 22:10.21 | deuterium | i think they use nginx now |
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| 22:10.33 | khronosschoty | ooohh I See install the open jdk from wheezy and untar it and install home directory and add path |
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| 22:10.43 | deuterium | and nginx has iirc no .htaccess support |
| 22:10.54 | codesoup | khronosschoty, no, what you pasted in paste bin has nothing to do with wheezy |
| 22:11.08 | codesoup | khronosschoty, i meant you can just download that and untar it in your homedir and use it like that |
| 22:11.22 | khronosschoty | what I pasted in the paste bin is what I want but I cannot find the download for what I want.. just a mention of it existing etc. |
| 22:11.28 | deuterium | should still support htpasswd files though.. i.e. http basic auth |
| 22:11.33 | deuterium | hm. |
| 22:11.45 | codesoup | khronosschoty, you download it from oracle's website |
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| 22:12.11 | khronosschoty | yes, I am looking for it on the website. I will find it soon enough. Thanks for the help and tips |
| 22:12.30 | codesoup | khronosschoty, http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1880261.html |
| 22:12.33 | folivora | Hello, I have issue with my gnome-shell. After logging in I get only background, there is no "taskbar" on the top of screen or launcher manu. Neither alt+f2 opens the launcher. Gnome-Classic works tho. Seems that it is missing something, could someone point me maybe what might be missing |
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| 22:13.15 | codesoup | folivora, that is probably because gnome-shell did not start properly. you probably have to upgrade it (a recent bluetooth update broke it temporarily) |
| 22:13.32 | codesoup | (this is just a guess though, as the same thing happened to me) |
| 22:13.46 | folivora | codesoup: are you running jessie ? |
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| 22:14.00 | folivora | I did install new kernel + upgrades and after reboots it is failing |
| 22:14.11 | codesoup | folivora, i am running sid, but that particular update might've made it to jessie too |
| 22:14.13 | folivora | tho I did run aptitude reinstall gnome-shell but it wont help |
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| 22:15.04 | khronosschoty | lol thanks for sharing the link |
| 22:15.05 | folivora | codesoup: hmm, which packages I should reinstall / upgrade then ? |
| 22:15.06 | khronosschoty | I see it now |
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| 22:15.59 | codesoup | folivora, when you are on that background only screen, you can open a console (the ctrl-alt-f1 one), then try to manually start gnome-shell with "DISPLAY=:0 gnome-shell --replace" or something like that and see what error messages come up |
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| 22:23.30 | folivora | codesoup: oki, "Window manager error: Unable to open X display to :0" |
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| 22:24.59 | codesoup | folivora, well, your x display is on something other than :0. that's not a gnome-shell specific error, you just have to change the :0 part to something else |
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| 22:26.39 | folivora | my X (gnome-classic) is in tty8 ? ctrl-alt-f8 gets me back to gnome-classic |
| 22:26.50 | folivora | but i tried with :8 and it didn't work |
| 22:26.51 | folivora | same error |
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| 22:29.13 | codesoup | folivora, when you are in gnome-classic, open up a terminal (the gnome one) and type "echo $DISPLAY" |
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| 22:30.24 | folivora | codesoup: it is :0.0 |
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| 22:31.24 | folivora | codesoup: but still, it doesnt work, but it gives one more error "No Protocol Specified" . |
| 22:31.42 | codesoup | folivora, or, since you are already in gnome-classic, you can just type "gnome-shell --replace" in the gnome terminal |
| 22:32.14 | codesoup | folivora, and then when it fails to start properly (and it seems like it will), you can just type "metacity --replace" to get gnome classic back |
| 22:32.20 | codesoup | and look at what errors come up |
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| 22:34.50 | folivora | codesoup: http://pastie.org/8098097 |
| 22:35.13 | codesoup | folivora, yes that is the bluetooth error i was talking about |
| 22:35.27 | codesoup | you have to upgrade the gnome bluetooth packages and the gnome-shell package |
| 22:35.58 | folivora | from sid I assume ? |
| 22:36.10 | folivora | since I have the latest from jessie |
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| 22:37.40 | codesoup | folivora, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712861 |
| 22:37.45 | folivora | hmm |
| 22:38.43 | codesoup | folivora, yeah it seems like the fixed gnome-shell package is in sid but not jessie |
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| 22:39.49 | alusion | Do you guys use any music visualizer |
| 22:40.02 | codesoup | folivora, that or you can downgrade the gnome-bluetooth package to the version before that |
| 22:40.03 | Yoshi1 | excellent it kept my pidgin accounts |
| 22:40.17 | Yoshi1 | still thinking i should ditch this frustrating gnome desktop for kde |
| 22:40.39 | AsumFace | alusion» nope, I'm always running music in background |
| 22:41.55 | Seegee | Hey guys, I have a question about IPTables, here it is: http://serverfault.com/questions/519759/iptables-forward-from-only-one-ip-on-my-server |
| 22:42.49 | Yoshi1 | !tell multiarch |
| 22:42.49 | folivora | codesoup: upgrading gnome-shell from sid repos fixed the issue. gnome-bluetooth is same version on sid / jessie |
| 22:42.58 | Yoshi1 | how do i enable multiarch? |
| 22:43.20 | codesoup | Yoshi1, dpkg --add-architecture i386 (or amd64) then apt-get update |
| 22:43.36 | codesoup | you need a new-ish version of debian (i think wheezy has it?) |
| 22:43.47 | Yoshi1 | i am using the testing version so should be good |
| 22:44.08 | Yoshi1 | how am i not in the sudoers file |
| 22:44.41 | Yoshi1 | how do i add myself to sudoers? |
| 22:44.42 | folivora | codesoup: thank you for this, saved lots of reading, since syslog had "quite" many errors because of this ... |
| 22:44.49 | folivora | Yoshi1: visudo |
| 22:44.51 | folivora | as root |
| 22:45.15 | Yoshi1 | folivora: dpo i just add my account and copy roots? |
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| 22:45.58 | folivora | username ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 22:46.03 | Yoshi1 | groovy |
| 22:46.05 | folivora | if you want everything |
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| 22:46.50 | maxxe | which package provides ncurses manpages in wheezy? |
| 22:47.21 | alusion | ima go work outside |
| 22:47.24 | alusion | why? |
| 22:47.26 | alusion | CUZ I CAN |
| 22:47.29 | alusion | oops wrong channel |
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| 22:48.30 | folivora | maxxe: ncurses-bin ? |
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| 22:49.54 | maxxe | folivora: ncurses-doc it seems |
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| 22:56.21 | jhutchin1_wk | Um, last I checked, debian's sudo package came configured for the sudo or sudoers group with the correct permissions, just install, add yourself to the group, log out, and log back in. |
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| 22:57.28 | jhutchin1_wk | folivora: aptitude search ncurses? |
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| 23:02.17 | realf | Hello! I am trying to install b43 wireless driver (on Wheezy). I am following instructions on http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and get this error message: http://paste.debian.net/13507/ . According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=690009 , this bug was closed. Is this patch available in wheezy or should I install the driver from another repo or something like that? |
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| 23:09.06 | realf | oops, the correct link to bug report is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682427 |
| 23:10.59 | th0r | realf, This is for the b43 module, right? All the firmware installer does is add a couple of directories in /lib/firmware. I have that whole thing in a zip file with instructions if you need it. |
| 23:12.13 | realf | yes, it's for b43 and I need it :) |
| 23:12.50 | dvs | realf: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy |
| 23:12.59 | th0r | realf, patience |
| 23:14.00 | realf | dvs, th0r, thank you |
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| 23:15.12 | th0r | realf, pick up the instructions from step two. Put the two folders inside /lib/firrmware and then edit the /etc files as stated |
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| 23:15.52 | th0r | realf, pick up from step 3, not step 2 <smile> |
| 23:15.59 | realf | th0r, ok) |
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| 23:23.49 | Yoshi1 | yeah this gdm sucks i am installing kde |
| 23:23.58 | dvs | yay |
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