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| 00:03.10 | xantiol | anyone know dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 00:03.41 | xantiol | I use it with -nc, and I changed a file, and it doesn't seem to recompile it |
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| 00:24.10 | maroloccio | what is the dpkg equivalent of `rpm -qf'? (i.e. given a local file, get name of package it came from, if avail) |
| 00:25.50 | codesoup | dpkg -S foo.bar |
| 00:25.51 | dpkg | You Fool! foo.bar is installed! |
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| 00:30.08 | maroloccio | codesoup: perfect. thank you. |
| 00:30.26 | Alaunus | what's the best way to run iceweasel 22 in Jessie? Track it from experimental? |
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| 00:32.15 | xantiol | anyone know if it is possible to build incrementally? |
| 00:32.32 | nkuttler | xantiol: what do you mean? |
| 00:32.57 | xantiol | I changed one source file in a huge source of chromium |
| 00:33.30 | xantiol | nkuttler, and now dpkg-buildpackage -nc doesn't recompile the part I changed |
| 00:33.41 | nkuttler | xantiol: you should talk to the chromium people, no idea which build system they use.. |
| 00:33.48 | xantiol | nkuttler, and without the -nc it recompile the whole thing |
| 00:34.19 | nkuttler | xantiol: figure out how to do it manually at first, then see if you can adapt the build script? |
| 00:34.29 | xantiol | nkuttler, what chromium people? it is a debian package, no? |
| 00:34.49 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: grrr i cant even fix what the win32 iso thingy did with gparted. it says it has either no or a botched gpt table |
| 00:34.56 | nkuttler | xantiol: http://www.chromium.org/ |
| 00:35.07 | xantiol | how would they know how debian do it? |
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| 00:35.35 | nkuttler | xantiol: figure out how to do it manually at first [snip] |
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| 00:41.05 | id10t | Yoshi1: one of the various forensics tools may be able to read the backup partition for you |
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| 01:46.47 | cockroach | hey. i'm trying to get redmine to work (using 'thin' on wheezy) but i keep getting 'invalid option: --all' (http://paste.debian.net/13525/ for full error). any idea what i could be doing wrong? |
| 01:47.00 | cockroach | i used the example thin config from the redmine package, btw |
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| 01:56.07 | excalibr | What do you use for caching .deb files? |
| 01:57.57 | excalibr | I'm checking out squid-deb-proxy right now, not sure if it's any better than apt-cache-ng |
| 01:57.57 | zykotick9 | excalibr: i use apt-cacher-ng myself |
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| 02:01.11 | Yoshi1 | now that is epic i reinstall my kde plasma and it has all my old settings and stuff |
| 02:01.30 | Yoshi1 | ok now how do i enable the non free repo |
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| 02:01.56 | phix | the non-free unsupported repo? |
| 02:02.13 | zykotick9 | !tell Yoshi1 about non-free sources |
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| 02:04.09 | Yoshi1 | zykotick9: thanks |
| 02:04.19 | Obligatory | BTS question! Any BTS mavens about? |
| 02:04.38 | Obligatory | BTS="Bug Tracking Sytem" of course. |
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| 02:05.51 | excalibr | zykotick9: apt-cacher-ng does what it says on the tin but having to manually proxify apt-get through the cacher server put me off |
| 02:06.27 | Yoshi1 | ok now the only big thing left is bumblebee |
| 02:06.33 | Yoshi1 | why isnt that in the repos yet |
| 02:07.25 | zykotick9 | excalibr: during install it asks for a proxy, i put it in - done (or one edit to /etc/apt/apt.conf). easy for me, best of luck (i've never tried squid-deb-proxy). |
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| 02:08.55 | Obligatory | Q: I have several bugs open on the BTS, and my email address will change soon. Is there a way to tell the BTS where to send new email so it reaches me? |
| 02:09.39 | Alaunus | what's the difference between the wheezy-updates repository on ftp.us.debian.org/debian and wheezy/updates on security.debian.org? |
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| 02:10.46 | Yoshi1 | hmmmm do i want to get rid of gnome and gnome-core for the sake of being rid of the blighted empathy client |
| 02:10.49 | dvs | Alaunus: the security.debian.org are obviously for security fixes while the other one was formally known as volitile |
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| 02:12.30 | Yoshi1 | is gnome and gnome-core just like pointer stuff ? |
| 02:12.49 | dvs | Yoshi1: virtual packages, yes. |
| 02:13.42 | Yoshi1 | bye bye empathy i hope never to see you again |
| 02:14.10 | Alaunus | dvs: ahh, gotcha, thanks. does testing not have a testing-updates because of the nature of how packages move through it? or is that because the stable release is still fairly new |
| 02:14.38 | Obligatory | No BTS mavens tonight. Bye! |
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| 02:14.49 | dvs | Alaunus: It doesn't make sense to have testing-updates |
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| 02:15.18 | dvs | hello |
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| 02:39.53 | Yoshi1 | grrr steam for linux crashed after the update winderful |
| 02:42.45 | BJfreeman | oaoch |
| 02:44.22 | nonconvergent | Huh |
| 02:44.48 | nonconvergent | I found a authorized_keys entry that I don't remember what it was for. |
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| 02:45.10 | nonconvergent | ...Oh, terminal ide |
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| 02:53.22 | GunfighterJ | Hello all, does anyone happen to have a 3.9.8 or 3.10 kernel for Debian? I would like to get off of 3.2 and the nasty overheating issues |
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| 02:56.13 | dvs | dpkg: tell GunfighterJ about kp |
| 02:56.38 | GunfighterJ | Thanks :) |
| 02:56.46 | dvs | no prob |
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| 03:11.30 | elkingrey | Any idea when Gnash will support SWF v10? |
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| 03:17.50 | jaggz-0d | weird. I see it here ftp://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian-backports/pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/ but I can't seem to get it to show up in aptitude search fglrx |
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| 03:18.52 | dvs | points at "non-free" |
| 03:19.44 | jaggz-0d | I thought I did my sources list right: http://vvcap.net/db/SoVPgkD447SKWUBbFOXl.htp |
| 03:20.45 | jaggz-0d | I have non-free in the binghamton ftp src |
| 03:20.49 | jaggz-0d | (not -src) |
| 03:21.39 | dvs | jaggz-0d: why have both ftp.us.debian.org and http.debian.net ? |
| 03:21.56 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: you're missing the debian repository, you got security, updates, and backports |
| 03:22.14 | jaggz-0d | dvs, ignorance? |
| 03:22.24 | jaggz-0d | (on my part) |
| 03:22.31 | dvs | But Derpian has a much better point |
| 03:23.36 | jaggz-0d | wait.. I don't see it.. what am I missing to get the debian repo? |
| 03:23.53 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: http://pastebin.com/zwd9mUgQ |
| 03:23.56 | Derpian | add that to the top |
| 03:24.34 | dvs | jaggz-0d: you can jam both "squeeze" and "squeeze-updates" on the same line |
| 03:24.44 | jaggz-0d | Err http://archive.debian.org squeeze/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 193.62.202.28 80] |
| 03:24.53 | Derpian | also you got two deb-src links for squeeze-updates |
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| 03:25.04 | dvs | Derpian: No, youre wrong. He had both squeeze and squeeze-backports jammed on the same line |
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| 03:25.17 | Derpian | dvs: ok |
| 03:25.46 | jaggz-0d | probably several things wrong with my frankensources |
| 03:25.51 | dvs | I mean squeeze and squeeze-updates |
| 03:27.15 | jaggz-0d | http://pastebin.com/qe9TGeu0 |
| 03:27.56 | dvs | jaggz-0d: better but you have to have separate lines for "squeeze" and "squeeze-updates" |
| 03:28.27 | jaggz-0d | thanks for the help.. |
| 03:29.04 | jaggz-0d | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/non-free fglrx-driver i386 1:10-9-3 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
| 03:29.25 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: http://pastebin.com/YUCKWB8a |
| 03:29.29 | Derpian | that's a good sources.list |
| 03:29.42 | Derpian | it has Debian repo, Debian updates repo, Debian security repo, and backports |
| 03:29.46 | Derpian | including deb-src |
| 03:29.50 | Derpian | and all for squeeze |
| 03:30.06 | dvs | Derpian: oldstable? |
| 03:30.24 | Derpian | if you want to keep it on squeeze replace oldstable on the lines 2 and 3 with squeeze |
| 03:31.02 | jaggz-0d | I don't mind updating from squeeze.. my main goal here was to get my X working again.. |
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| 03:31.29 | jaggz-0d | it's a 2005 thinkpad I've been using (consistently since then!) |
| 03:31.36 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: http://pastebin.com/R45hEcTr this one is a better sources.list |
| 03:31.42 | Derpian | what's wrong with X? |
| 03:32.04 | jaggz-0d | it stopped working after I updated to squeeze I think.. or maybe I broke my sources list (seems pretty likely) |
| 03:32.20 | Derpian | yeah |
| 03:32.29 | Derpian | let's fix the sources.list first |
| 03:32.34 | dvs | Why not wheezy? |
| 03:32.37 | Derpian | use the most recent link i sent |
| 03:32.42 | Derpian | and paste that all in there |
| 03:32.54 | jaggz-0d | seems to be working... I'll go to wheezy too.. lemme try it with the new paste |
| 03:33.19 | Derpian | yeah if you want to go to wheezy, replace the word squeeze with wheezy |
| 03:33.22 | jaggz-0d | what would I do to perform the update once I update to your latest list? |
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| 03:33.29 | dvs | jaggz-0d: Not yet, make sure squeeze is up to date first. |
| 03:33.38 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 03:33.43 | jaggz-0d | I think I should get X working first.. otherwise it'll be some hours of updating before I can use the system :) |
| 03:33.44 | Derpian | make sure it is for squeeze though not wheezy yet |
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| 03:35.22 | jaggz-0d | running upgrade now.. |
| 03:35.30 | Derpian | nice |
| 03:35.39 | blackjack | how do i restart ssh service again? |
| 03:35.47 | blackjack | is it service ssh restart? |
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| 03:38.42 | jaggz-0d | I never advanced from just using /etc/init.d/ssh for it |
| 03:39.02 | blackjack | service ssh restart .. worked |
| 03:39.35 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: how goes the update my friend |
| 03:39.52 | jaggz-0d | thank you. it's receiving 800mb of packages right now :) |
| 03:40.14 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: what kind of thinkpad |
| 03:40.23 | jaggz-0d | t40 |
| 03:40.30 | Derpian | wow cool i have the same one in my closetr |
| 03:40.31 | Derpian | closet |
| 03:40.32 | jaggz-0d | before ibm went to lenovo |
| 03:40.41 | Derpian | I'm on a lenovo thinkpad t420 now though |
| 03:41.04 | Derpian | i had one older than t40 which i ran win 2000 on but no longer have it so i forget the model |
| 03:41.28 | Derpian | thinkpads are the best laptops i've used, other stuff doesn't compare |
| 03:42.03 | jaggz-0d | they seem to be just.. really high quality. while under warranty I did need to replace the kb, and once have the power-connector replaced |
| 03:42.35 | jaggz-0d | our warranty at the time covered in-home repair.. so we got a visit.. twice. |
| 03:42.42 | Derpian | wow |
| 03:43.16 | jaggz-0d | now that I'm not using as a personal system, but a little server, less goes wrong with it :) |
| 03:43.58 | jaggz-0d | it's interesting.. we got it when we were going to have a friend work with us (for us).. and that didn't work out, so I was stuck with this little thinkpad :) |
| 03:44.34 | jwilliams1 | that might be because the business laptop for thinkpad at the moment is still designed by japan's lab, iirc |
| 03:44.55 | jaggz-0d | the fan makes too much noise, so I'll have to replace that myself now.. (bearings or whatever are bad in the fan) |
| 03:45.18 | jaggz-0d | jwilliams1: you mean, the reason for the reliability is because it's a japanese design? |
| 03:46.00 | jaggz-0d | they seem to have designed the audio to resonate well with the plastic structure and such too.. I've had other laptops which had too much interfering vibration. |
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| 03:46.36 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: my fan makes too much noise and my hard drive is faulty on it. my friend told me the ide connector might be faulty since the hard drive he put in it was barely used |
| 03:47.02 | jwilliams1 | jaggz-0d: yeah, if what i remember is correct. |
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| 03:48.30 | jwilliams1 | i switch to thinkpad because it somehow has better support GNU/ Linux, notably debian than other one. so i switch from hp to thinkpad. but hp seems better support when using suse. |
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| 03:48.44 | jwilliams1 | just personal bias. : ) |
| 03:49.11 | jaggz-0d | derpian, might want to pop it out and test it in another system |
| 03:49.31 | jaggz-0d | I've found those external usb -> ide/sata adaptors are really convenient |
| 03:49.44 | blackjack | question guys. Which ssh port are better to put on rather than 22? |
| 03:49.54 | blackjack | is it ok on higher number ports? |
| 03:49.59 | jaggz-0d | anything.. yeah it's fine. |
| 03:50.16 | jaggz-0d | might want to look at /etc/services to see other reserved ports |
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| 03:51.00 | jaggz-0d | keeping in mind, if you don't have the ssh server running on that port, and it's high up, a user-space app can bind to it |
| 03:51.36 | jaggz-0d | so, if my understanding is correct, they can run their own sshd which can grab your passwords |
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| 03:52.15 | jaggz-0d | just like when you try to log into a website and fail, and you get desperate and try many of your common passwords.. and now that one site can have them all :) |
| 03:53.41 | blackjack | jaggz-0d, another question, why do i need to create my own SSh keys, when infact the operating system creates in automatically by default? |
| 03:53.44 | blackjack | is there a difference? |
| 03:53.49 | blackjack | the rsa keys |
| 03:53.51 | blackjack | or dsa |
| 03:54.05 | blackjack | creates it* |
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| 03:57.58 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: i'm updating squeeze on my t40 too |
| 03:58.09 | Derpian | i already fetched 100 mb of updates tho |
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| 03:59.15 | jaggz-0d | blackjack, I'm not sure |
| 03:59.43 | blackjack | jaggz-0d: have you set yown own pubkey rsa keys and saved it? |
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| 04:01.02 | jaggz-0d | yes, but the system ones probably sometime back when the weak keys issue was foun |
| 04:01.03 | jaggz-0d | found |
| 04:01.23 | jaggz-0d | Derpian: I don't see a total |
| 04:02.11 | Derpian | jaggz-0d: what do you mean |
| 04:03.23 | jaggz-0d | you noticed you got 100mb already.. I don't see a status on it. just the time left |
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| 04:05.23 | CaneToad | hi.... I've got Debian Wheezy installed, but the nouveau video driver cooks my machine so that it gets so hot it shuts off, and yet installing the Nvidia video driver doesn't work.... any ideas what to do apart from walking away from Debian 7? My machine works ok on Debian 6 with the Nvidia video driver. |
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| 04:08.44 | mumpitzel | CaneToad: blacklist the nouveau kms drivers. both normally loaded and in your initrd |
| 04:08.51 | mumpitzel | !tell CaneToad about blacklist |
| 04:09.28 | mumpitzel | then the nvidia drivers should work. but you need to tell us exactly how "it doesn't work" if you want help with it |
| 04:11.00 | atannus | CaneToad, what's the card? I have an nvidia card running pretty smooth. |
| 04:11.06 | CaneToad | mumpitzel: my /etc/modprobe.d has a .conf file containing; blacklist nouveau |
| 04:11.10 | CaneToad | and options nouveau modeset=0 |
| 04:11.40 | CaneToad | atannus: GeForce 8600M GS |
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| 04:18.58 | Pegasus_RPG | hello. I can't seem to get a FreeBSD partition mounted in Debian. dmesg just keeps telling me 'ufs_read_super: bad magic number' for all of the ufstype options (that are applicable) |
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| 04:21.07 | Pegasus_RPG | I've tried mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 as well as 44bsd,ro and old,ro |
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| 04:24.20 | jaggz-0d | blackjack, it looks like the package configuration scripts create the keys.. should be fine |
| 04:24.22 | jaggz-0d | http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 04:24.46 | jaggz-0d | if you want to reconfigure any of them for some reason, you can. If you want, for your own personal account, you need to create your own keys |
| 04:24.50 | jaggz-0d | (for remote login, for instance) |
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| 04:28.04 | jaggz-0d | one thing I hate about upgrading is the new versions which have changed their configs enough to break things |
| 04:28.51 | jaggz-0d | spent days fixing dovecot, postfix, etc. before (especially dovecot) |
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| 04:32.41 | jaggz-0d | "Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system" " script 'S42ipmasq-kmod' missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 04:32.48 | jaggz-0d | what do I do with that one? |
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| 04:33.24 | jimster | wow, mwilson is here |
| 04:34.10 | blackjack | jaggz-0d: if i want my server to point to other webpage? how do i do it |
| 04:34.21 | jaggz-0d | what? |
| 04:34.27 | blackjack | for example on my port 80, if someone connects, i just want them to go to google.com for example? |
| 04:34.38 | blackjack | how do i do that. |
| 04:34.48 | jaggz-0d | off topic. Try #httpd for apache? |
| 04:35.01 | blackjack | oh is it not just limited to debian? |
| 04:35.04 | jaggz-0d | You'll need some method to redirect |
| 04:35.06 | blackjack | ok |
| 04:35.20 | jaggz-0d | it can be done with an html page, or with apache mod-rewrite |
| 04:35.40 | jaggz-0d | or some other ways |
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| 05:50.21 | GunfighterJ | 3.9.8 kernel that is |
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| 06:37.10 | deanrock0 | hi, i have a server at home for file sharing, VMs, etc. ... can i also use it as firewall between WAN and LAN, or is it better to have a seperate box for that? |
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| 06:52.04 | b-tag | deanrock0: as a general rule, firewalls use a dedicated box |
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| 06:57.58 | jaggz-0d | can I get X11 to run from screen running on the console? |
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| 06:58.09 | deanrock0 | b-tag: the question is if it's worth the money and time to setup separate box for home firewall |
| 06:58.41 | jaggz-0d | deanrock0: there's the obvious security risk .. that system's not protected. |
| 06:59.01 | jaggz-0d | (by a separate physical firewall) |
| 06:59.43 | deanrock0 | another question: where would i put public facing VMs? on firewall box or on my home server? |
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| 07:11.16 | Virtualmix | Hi all. I'm on Jessie and since recent update yesterday gnome 3 shell including panels do no show on desktop. All I see is the wallpaper and when I start an application the window decoration is not displayed (Metacity) |
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| 07:11.58 | KDank | lordy |
| 07:12.09 | Virtualmix | Any suggestion to solve the issue is welcome. |
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| 07:12.39 | KDank | well, let's see here |
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| 07:15.04 | KDank | sry, wrong chan |
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| 07:24.18 | b-tag | jaggz-0d: you can |
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| 07:57.20 | caraconan | Hi there. Does somebody knows if there's an open source application for collaborative drawing? |
| 07:57.35 | caraconan | Imagine a dia that can work on the cloud |
| 07:57.51 | caraconan | So anybody can edit the elements (boxes, arrows, texts...) |
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| 08:02.30 | SM0TVI | Anyone good at dnsmasq? |
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| 08:03.30 | joltcan | SM0TVI: I have used it a lot |
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| 08:04.03 | SM0TVI | joltcan: How do you get debians various functions to call it to do reverse lookups? |
| 08:04.08 | caraconan | SM0TVI: I'm just a newbie |
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| 08:13.44 | joltcan | SM0TVI: Is this on a gateway or just a single system? |
| 08:13.50 | joltcan | SM0TVI: and is that system using dhcp? |
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| 08:14.59 | SM0TVI | joltcan: Well, this is just a single box I use as a pure DNS server for my local network (only have to change 1 /etc/hosts file), |
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| 08:15.33 | galant | is there any body that gives license to education companies to give official certificates to students who will pass their exams on linux? |
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| 08:17.31 | yeenoghu | galant: there are several certification schemes |
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| 08:17.59 | SM0TVI | joltcan: NM, seems the config changes I made decided to take. |
| 08:18.23 | yeenoghu | galant: http://www.redhat.com/training/ being one |
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| 08:19.15 | sladjan | Hi, I have a Debian VM under Windows, and Windows users local time by default. Now the Debian VM still seems to have correct time, is this handled automatically? I ask, because it is set to use UTC in '/etc/adjtime'. Shouldn't I have to set Debian to local time? |
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| 08:19.46 | galant | is there any scheme for all linux distros? |
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| 08:20.11 | yeenoghu | galant: no, novell has (had?) one, and there is a generic once |
| 08:20.22 | yeenoghu | most distros do not |
| 08:20.26 | galant | ok |
| 08:20.34 | galant | so Debian don't have official certificates |
| 08:20.36 | galant | ? |
| 08:20.46 | galant | any other linux distro have official certificates? |
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| 08:21.00 | galant | and what is this? Linux Professional Institute |
| 08:21.23 | yeenoghu | that's the generic one I was referring to |
| 08:21.28 | galant | ahm |
| 08:21.40 | galant | so this is official certificate for all linux distros? |
| 08:21.55 | yeenoghu | depends on what you mean by official |
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| 08:22.17 | jaggz-0d | b-tag: how do I get it to run? it doesn't like the display |
| 08:22.27 | yeenoghu | there is no authority over the kernel that offer certifications |
| 08:23.09 | yeenoghu | like you would get with say microsoft or cisco. They are an indication of skillset and dedication, but like other certificiations, tend to be pretty expensive |
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| 08:24.22 | b-tag | jaggz-0d: screen is a window manager too, i run it through putty, x11 complains but runs... |
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| 08:24.50 | jaggz-0d | I didn't mean to hit enter there.. went and looked on the web.. mentions xwrappers |
| 08:25.40 | jaggz-0d | is there a way to allow a particular user to run it, but not other non-root or non-console users? |
| 08:25.46 | galant | yeenoghu, well one that is legit |
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| 08:26.15 | galant | I guess approved by organisations that make the linux distros |
| 08:26.36 | jaggz-0d | my X is not working right now anyway.. blank screen once it runs.. |
| 08:27.02 | jaggz-0d | first a colorful static and lines display, then blank.. |
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| 08:27.29 | jaggz-0d | that's what I'm working on |
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| 08:30.19 | alainus | hi , my server requires a .pem file to authenticate for ssh connections, always. I need to disable that for just one user, is it possible ? |
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| 08:32.50 | jk- | hey all |
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| 08:34.05 | jelly | alainus: you want that user to authenticate via password? Which debian release do you have running on the server? |
| 08:34.21 | jk- | I'm building dpkg-buildpackage-ing apt, but seem to be hitting a concurrency problem for libapt-inst, as it requires libapt-pkg, but the shlibs for libapt-pkg haven't been processed yet. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 08:35.06 | jk- | hm, I seem to get the same result with a single-threaded build; nevermind :) |
| 08:35.25 | jelly | alainus: .pem file is an unusual storage format for ssh keys, at least when using openssh. Which client software are you using? |
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| 08:45.57 | jaggz-0d | any of you use X on a Thinkpad T40? |
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| 08:46.38 | Derpian | jaggz--: I use X on a thinkpad t40 |
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| 08:47.07 | jaggz-- | I have no oh, hey Derpian... what drivers do you use? what's your xorg.conf setup like? |
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| 08:48.02 | jaggz-- | my x log seems to show it loads ati, tries it, but reverts to fb .. and I guess that doesn't work either |
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| 08:49.16 | Derpian | jaggz--: i believe i load the default ati drivers |
| 08:49.29 | Derpian | but i would have to boot up the machine to show you the xorg.conf |
| 08:49.35 | Derpian | i have it all on default |
| 08:49.56 | jaggz-- | weird |
| 08:50.08 | CommaCrazy | hi all |
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| 08:50.34 | jaggz-- | I used to run xconfig or something.. a long time ago.. anything I need to run like that nowadays? |
| 08:51.25 | jaggz-- | I did a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:52.53 | jaggz-- | I don't want to trouble you though, Derpian |
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| 08:58.40 | jaggz-- | I don't know what I did.. now I broke x completely. (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. (EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware. (EE) PreInit failed for input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
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| 09:03.42 | arrith1 | jaggz--: anything different if you "mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old" and reboot? |
| 09:03.58 | jaggz-- | I have to reboot? nothing changes if I just remove xorg.conf |
| 09:04.02 | jaggz-- | (I have a copy though) |
| 09:04.26 | arrith1 | jaggz--: so you get the exact same error message without an xorg.conf? |
| 09:04.45 | jaggz-- | yes |
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| 09:06.05 | jaggz-- | wait, no.. without xorg.conf I don't get the synaptics error |
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| 09:08.04 | jaggz-- | actually, I do get the error, but I get it twice if I use my xorg.conf |
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| 09:12.37 | jaggz-- | got the synaptics error fixed |
| 09:13.10 | jaggz-- | comment out the touchpad section in 10-evdev.conf, but add the line ''MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"'' to your 10-synaptics.conf. |
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| 09:14.10 | jk- | heya YK :) |
| 09:15.06 | jaggz-- | one page says fglrx modifies some x files.. they reinstalled all the xorg packages and now it works |
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| 09:15.41 | jaggz-- | how would I go about reinstalling them? and .. really? all of them? |
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| 09:24.52 | jaggz-- | another page says fglrx can't be loaded until drm kernel modules are unloaded.. however, radeon is in use and is dependent on drm |
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| 09:26.38 | jaggz-- | dumb non-apple computers. might as well have dipswitches and conflicting IRQ settings everywhere |
| 09:26.43 | jaggz-- | (that's a joke) |
| 09:27.25 | ksk | why the .. use radeon and fglrx? use only one driver at a time? |
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| 09:29.47 | jaggz-- | I don't mind.. whatever works |
| 09:31.48 | jaggz-- | tired. |
| 09:32.05 | jaggz-- | guess I should sleep |
| 09:32.55 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:33.25 | Agiofws | how do i uninstall a certain foo.deb file when i have installed it with dpkg -i foo.deb ? |
| 09:33.54 | AimHere | apt-get uninstall <whatever the package called itself> |
| 09:34.02 | AimHere | aptitude or synaptic should also work |
| 09:34.13 | AimHere | Or is it 'apt-get remove', I forget! |
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| 09:35.00 | ksk | its apt-get/aptitude remove $package |
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| 09:37.22 | hell_razer | hi, tcpdump 'udp and tcp' -nn -s0 -p -q -t -l -iany >> tcpdump: expression rejects all packets - whats wrong? |
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| 09:41.07 | jaggz-- | Agiofws: here's a convenient script.. pkgtimes .. it's python and it will list packages and their install times |
| 09:41.31 | jaggz-- | agiofws: run it piped into sort -n and it'll show them in order of installation |
| 09:41.38 | jaggz-- | pkgtimes | sort -n |
| 09:43.28 | jaggz-- | & |
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| 09:52.28 | dfrank | hi. I mistakenly upgraded apache2.2 to apache2.4, now I'm trying to get things back. But now apache fails to read configs, and I can't even delete it: apt-get tries to stop apache, got errors, just said "Errors were encountered while procssing: apache2", and does nothing useful. How to do that? |
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| 09:54.36 | dfrank | more, I have some troubles with locale =( here's output of 'apt-get remove apache2' http://pastebin.com/ncAHjWG5 |
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| 09:56.10 | nops | oi |
| 09:56.12 | nops | o/ |
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| 09:58.11 | monod | hi |
| 09:58.27 | monod | I've got a little of a problem with dconf.. this is it: |
| 09:58.55 | monod | I've changed the bottom-panel orientation to 'left' by mistake and Gnome 3 crashed |
| 09:59.16 | monod | so I had to wordaround it because it kept crashing as I tried to log back in |
| 09:59.26 | monod | because it also logged me out |
| 09:59.43 | monod | so I've corrupted the user file in .config/dconf :D |
| 09:59.49 | monod | by mistake too |
| 09:59.55 | tuxcrafter | #TERREUR |
| 10:00.08 | monod | and I've got a blank new desktop |
| 10:00.25 | monod | but I'd like to restore the old user confilguration file, which I have backupped, but |
| 10:00.37 | monod | it has been backupped after the orientation was changed |
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| 10:01.20 | monod | so if I backup from that file, I will crash againù |
| 10:01.23 | monod | again* |
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| 10:02.14 | monod | the best thing should be solve the left orientation bug of the gnome-panel, so I can restore from my backup file |
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| 10:02.43 | Agiofws | jaggz--, where is the script ? its not in synaptic ? |
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| 10:03.57 | ikonia | dfrank: what version of debian are you using |
| 10:05.19 | dfrank | ikonia: 6.0 |
| 10:05.37 | ikonia | dfrank: ok - so that looks like it ships with apache 2.4 - so where did you get 2.2 from ? |
| 10:05.58 | ikonia | did the 6 branch upgrade 2.2 to 2.4 at some point ? |
| 10:07.41 | dfrank | ikonia: actually I'm not maintainer of this server, I just needed to install pcre_http on it, and got all these errors. There's ISP Manager installed on this server, and I googled that people have same problems when they updated apache2.2 to apache2.4 |
| 10:08.06 | dfrank | ikonia: omg, now I realized that apache2.4 might not be real reason of the troubles |
| 10:08.29 | monod | (how much time should I wait after I can eventually retype my request?) |
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| 10:09.38 | monod | oh god, it seems I can manage to bakcup the whole thing thanks to GCONF |
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| 10:17.07 | babilen | monod: You really shouldn't have apache2.4 on squeeze (that version is only in unstable and backporting it is also not an option) |
| 10:17.23 | monod | babilen, pardon? |
| 10:17.31 | babilen | argh |
| 10:17.32 | monod | wrong person? |
| 10:17.34 | babilen | yeah |
| 10:17.37 | monod | alright |
| 10:17.49 | babilen | dfrank: You really shouldn't have apache2.4 on squeeze (that version is only in unstable and backporting it is also not an option) |
| 10:17.55 | babilen | monod: Sorry about that :) |
| 10:17.58 | monod | :D |
| 10:18.08 | monod | do you have any clue about my problem anyway? |
| 10:18.29 | babilen | monod: I don't think that I've seen your question, so: no ;) |
| 10:18.35 | monod | I've got a little of a problem with dconf.. this is it: I've changed the bottom-panel orientation to 'left' by mistake and Gnome 3 crashed; so I had to wordaround it because it kept crashing as I tried to log back in; because it also logged me out; so I've corrupted the user file in .config/dconf; by mistake too; and I've got a blank new desktop; but I'd like to restore the old user confilguration file, which I have backupped, but; it has been backupped after |
| 10:18.35 | monod | the orientation had been changed; so if I backup from that file, I will crash again; the best thing to happen would be to solve the left orientation bug of the gnome-panel, so I can restore from my backup file |
| 10:18.45 | dfrank | babilen: thanks. but, how can I replace 2.4 with 2.2? |
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| 10:20.36 | babilen | dfrank: You can try to downgrade that, but that is an operation that is not supported by our packaging tools (in particular the maintainer scripts that run during the installation) -- Where is it from? What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy apache2" give you? (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 10:22.41 | Chelsea | Hi all, how can i get a full list all the versions (targets?) my debootstrap supports like, Wheezy or Squeeze? |
| 10:23.37 | babilen | monod: The pleasures of dconf, heh? Wouldn't it be nice to simply be able to edit a plain text file and just correct this issue? You might be able to figure out a way to edit your dconf kv-store from a different DE/WM/user or so, but I am not sure what tools are available for that. I'd look into dconf-editor that might allow you to open your backup and fix the problem. |
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| 10:24.33 | monod | babilen, I didn't googled it yet, but do you know of a way to open a different user file? from dconf-editor? |
| 10:24.38 | Phage | May I ask a few questions? |
| 10:24.44 | babilen | Chelsea: It might just support whatever is available on the mirror you give it :-/ |
| 10:24.48 | babilen | Phage: Sure |
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| 10:25.17 | Phage | awesome, I have a VPS which is running on Debian |
| 10:25.32 | Phage | I have two ip addresses for my VPS |
| 10:25.44 | Phage | I want those two to point to two different sites on my server |
| 10:25.50 | babilen | monod: No, but that at least *feels* like the right approach. I am not a Gnome user and haven't had to deal with this for quite a long time, but I would hope that the editor allows you to edit, well, dconf databases and, in particular, not only the database for the current user. |
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| 10:26.05 | babilen | Phage: sites as in websites? |
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| 10:26.18 | Phage | yes :) |
| 10:27.03 | Phage | currently I have done this: |
| 10:27.10 | Phage | cd into the apache folder |
| 10:27.26 | Phage | done: "cp default myawesome site" |
| 10:27.30 | monod | babilen: unfortunately, it does not have any "File, Edit, View, ..." menu, so you cannot but see the current opened file, which only can be a file in .config/dconf called 'user'.. what Desk. Env. are you using? |
| 10:27.37 | Phage | and currently I'm trying to edit that file with nano |
| 10:27.46 | babilen | Phage: That is rather an apache configuration issue - I'd recommend to take a look at how to configure VirtualHosts -- There is also #httpd that can help with that (although they typically don't like our configuration file laytout) |
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| 10:29.36 | babilen | monod: I'm not using a desktop environment at all but a window manager called "awesome" -- Okay, lets try a different approach. Could you "restore" your backup to the default location (~/.config/dconf) and then run dconf-editor within an environment that does not depend on dconf being in a consistent state? (fluxbox might be a good/intuitive/not too large window manager) |
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| 10:29.42 | bakibour | Greetings gentlemen |
| 10:29.44 | Chelsea | babilen, Ah ok, and is there a way to list it? |
| 10:29.58 | monod | OH |
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| 10:30.08 | monod | if that's going to work, I'll definitely do it |
| 10:30.11 | bakibour | I just tried to install unstable netinst on virtualbox and it fails, is there anything i need to take special care of? |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | Phage: I would recommend to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/apache*/ and in particular README.Debian* |
| 10:30.32 | babilen | monod: I don't know, it might actually just work. |
| 10:30.40 | monod | yeah, checking it out... |
| 10:30.43 | Phage | babilen; I'm gonna check it out, thank you :) |
| 10:31.07 | babilen | monod: I can definitely run dconf-editor here in awesome |
| 10:31.18 | monod | so it's a confirm that I can do it that way |
| 10:31.23 | monod | JUST AWESOME :D |
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| 10:31.31 | babilen | Phage: Also take a look at https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/examples.html which should clarify some things. |
| 10:31.53 | Phage | yeah, already looking at that site :) |
| 10:31.58 | babilen | +1 |
| 10:32.04 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:32.10 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ makehuman |
| 10:32.10 | Agiofws | ./makehuman: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./makehuman) ? |
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| 10:33.42 | babilen | bakibour: We strongly recommend *not* to use the testing/daily/weekly installers to install testing or unstable, but to install stable (that is wheezy) first and then take it from there. The testing installer is, at least at this point in the release cycle, not meant to be used for installing testing but for testing the *installer* |
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| 10:34.20 | bakibour | babilen: Totally can understand that but stable does not contain emacs24, which i would like to install |
| 10:34.23 | babilen | bakibour: I would also not recommend to use the wheezy installer to install testing or unstable (yes, you can configure what to install in expert mode), but to install stable first and then upgrade from there. |
| 10:34.43 | monod | babilen: oh, and why the heck my root terminal has now as default path a different one from the default?? do you know how to set it to just be '/' as it always has been? |
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| 10:35.20 | babilen | bakibour: As I said: Install stable first and then take it from there - You might want to install a fairly minimal system at first (e.g. just the standard task) upgrade to testing/unstable and then install whatever else you need apart from emacs. |
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| 10:35.55 | bakibour | babilen: Is there any noobish tutorial on how to upgrade? |
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| 10:36.15 | babilen | monod: I don't quite understand (possibly because I don't use "root terminal" but just acquire superuser privileges whenever I need them with sudo/su in a "normal" terminal) |
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| 10:37.35 | babilen | bakibour: I'd recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- I would also like to point out that both testing and unstable aren't the best releases for "noobish" people which means that you *will* have to learn a lot about Debian. At the moment I'd recommend a testing/unstable mix that defaults to testing and which is documented in "/msg dpkg tum" |
| 10:37.57 | babilen | bakibour: Please also note that testing/unstable are explicitly supported not in here but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:38.21 | bakibour | Ok thanks |
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| 10:38.58 | monod | babilen: okay, I mean: when you run your terminal, your working directory is the user's home right? |
| 10:39.22 | babilen | yes |
| 10:39.27 | monod | babilen, now, in the debian there's this "root terminal" from applications->accessory that yields a root shell |
| 10:39.40 | babilen | yeah, I am aware of that, but I never use it |
| 10:39.45 | monod | but at the moment, its default working dir is not root's home :| |
| 10:40.16 | babilen | okay, not entirely sure how to configure that. fwiw, did you manage to fix your dconf database? |
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| 10:40.55 | monod | not yet, because I'm installing a WM |
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| 10:41.28 | monod | if I have understood correctly, babilen, I can use a WM because it wouldn't rely on dconf settings |
| 10:41.37 | monod | but I also can edit them with the program |
| 10:41.44 | monod | so no corrupted binary blobs |
| 10:42.07 | babilen | okay, please continue -- you can always become root by running "su" or you could add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" (relogin!) which allows you to use commands such as "sudo FOO" that would run FOO with superuser privileges |
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| 10:43.01 | babilen | monod: yeah, that is exactly the plan -- edit your dconf database backup (or rather a copy of it!), fix the issue that causes the problem and then run gnome again |
| 10:43.33 | monod | really thanks, I'll prompt you when I'm done to let you know if it worked |
| 10:44.46 | babilen | monod: have fun |
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| 10:49.33 | monod | ok, going to log out and back in babilen |
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| 10:53.18 | daemonkeeper | .oO( babilen is a mecha ) |
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| 10:58.09 | moldy | trying to install debian with software raid (mdraid). the installer won't let me delete an ext4 partition on sdb1. what is going on there? |
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| 11:06.37 | imdea | Hi, I'm having problems with one server that I'm upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. I was running 'dist-upgrade' on it, but it seems like it got stuck in 'Configuring lvm2 (2.02.95-7) ...' any ideas? |
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| 11:07.19 | monod | babilen, lol, awesome is quite strange |
| 11:07.40 | monod | is there a way to enlarge the size of words? |
| 11:08.03 | babilen | monod: I suggested fluxbox for something less strange -- yes, tiling window managers certainly take some time to get used to but you'll miss them after a while. |
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| 11:08.28 | babilen | monod: words? did you manage to fix your dconf db? |
| 11:08.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell imdea -about bat |
| 11:09.06 | monod | yep, I've ran dconf-editor and fixed from the backupped version (which also had a further backup), now it's time to test |
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| 11:09.25 | monod | I have to logout from awesome, but I've clicked the top-right button |
| 11:09.27 | monod | few times |
| 11:09.28 | imdea | babilen: don't understand that.. |
| 11:09.42 | monod | and now I cannot change view anymore |
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| 11:10.04 | babilen | imdea: Our bot (dpkg) should have sent you a private message |
| 11:10.12 | imdea | babilen, the message I got while doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' was 'Configuring lvm2 (2.02.95-7) ...' and then it got stuck there |
| 11:10.30 | imdea | babilen: Yes I say, but that's all the output I'm getting |
| 11:10.50 | babilen | monod: yeah, I need to see everything, but I'm also just on my way out. I simply wanted to encourage you to provide additional information on a pastbin such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:10.53 | moldy | geez, configuring raid with the debian installer is the biggest PITA i have experienced in a while |
| 11:11.24 | moldy | when i just configure raid manually with some other live cd, will the debian installer recognize it and allow me to install into it? |
| 11:11.38 | babilen | monod: try mod1-q to quit awesome (mod1 is IIRC ALT or windows key in the default config) |
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| 11:11.51 | imdea | babilen, there is no more information |
| 11:12.47 | monod | babilen, I think wrong person again with that pastebin message, maybe it was for imdea? |
| 11:13.05 | babilen | yeah |
| 11:13.13 | monod | trying to quit awesome right now |
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| 11:13.26 | babilen | guess that worked |
| 11:13.28 | babilen | :) |
| 11:13.47 | babilen | anyway, lunch |
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| 11:14.52 | imdea | http://paste.debian.net/13586/ any ideas? |
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| 11:15.53 | babilen | imdea: I know that there is definitely more output when you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" than just the message you pasted. It would simply be nice to see it all. You could try to interrupt the currently running process or tap into it with strace .. It is probably running something in the maintainer postinst script so adding "set -x" to debug that before continuing the configuration step with "dpkg --configure -a" might yield additional information |
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| 11:17.19 | bakibour | How do i install another window manager in debian? |
| 11:17.26 | Roenie | adding set-x to what, babilen ? |
| 11:17.46 | babilen | imdea: But then: The lvm2 postinst script is not particularly complex -- It essentially runs vgcfgbackup |
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| 11:19.02 | babilen | Roenie: Run "help set" -- "set -x" essentially causes a script to print the commands it is running - You typically at that at the beginning (after the shebang) of the script (most scripts also have "set -e" for early bail out) |
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| 11:19.43 | monod | good god babilen |
| 11:19.46 | Roenie | ty |
| 11:19.53 | monod | babilen, everything worked, thanks |
| 11:19.53 | imdea | babilen, this is what I'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/13588/ |
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| 11:20.10 | babilen | monod: yay \o/ |
| 11:20.20 | monod | *back to reading my books <3* |
| 11:20.31 | imdea | babilen: so should I add "set -x" to the /etc/init.d/lvm2 script? |
| 11:21.01 | babilen | imdea: where is that kernel from? That is by no means a Debian kernel, is not supported by us and has a broken version number. |
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| 11:21.50 | Roenie | in the the maintainer postinst script, wherever that is, imdea |
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| 11:22.15 | imdea | babilen: It's a vanilla source version, that I had to compile by myself since Xen hypervisor support was kind of broken when squeeze got released and then I had to fix it by compiling my own kernel. |
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| 11:22.45 | dfrank | guys, I somehow lost locale-related files. Say, locale-gen says me 'command not found'. Where can I get it? |
| 11:22.55 | babilen | imdea: Okay, that is biting you now unfortunately as the version number does not comply with our rules. |
| 11:22.57 | imdea | Roenie, and how do I know where is it? It says it's working on lvm2 so I guess this should be /etc/init.d/lvm2 maybe? |
| 11:23.18 | imdea | babilen, and what can I do? |
| 11:23.21 | babilen | Roenie, imdea: maintainer scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and lvm's is /var/lib/dpkg/info/lvm2.postinst |
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| 11:23.40 | imdea | babilen, great, thanks. Let me put set -x in it |
| 11:23.44 | Roenie | you could try switching to the lvm version that is in the debian repos, do the upgrade and then reinstall lvm from source if you have to |
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| 11:24.41 | dfrank | damn, I googled much before asking, but just when I asked I found the solution right away. nevermind |
| 11:24.57 | babilen | imdea: Upgrade your kernel and udev first, then remove that broken linux-image-2.6.29.6 (.29 !!! ) and use the standard kernel in squeeze .32 -- I would recommend to do that before you attempt the upgrade. |
| 11:25.08 | imdea | Ok, I have run the 'dpkg --configure -a' again and I got the same output but with this line at the end: + vgcfgbackup |
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| 11:26.10 | babilen | imdea: Yes, this might very well be related to you not using a Debian kernel ... As I said: the postinst script is not particularly complex and seems to hang at vgcfgbackup |
| 11:27.21 | babilen | imdea: You might have to fix your status file, but simply purging your strange kernel packages (their version numbering simply does not comply with our specifications) while running a different kernel might solve this issue. |
| 11:27.35 | babilen | imdea: Either way, /me is late for lunch |
| 11:27.38 | imdea | babilen: right I understand... however, how do I do in order to upgrade my kernel and udev first and remove the old one? |
| 11:28.33 | babilen | imdea: Not sure if you can still use apt-* (apt-get install linux-image-amd64 udev should upgrade both packages) -- Otherwise use dpkg directly. |
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| 11:28.45 | babilen | err |
| 11:29.13 | babilen | Make that "linux-image-686-pae" not "linux-image-amd64" as you seem to run i386 and not amd64 |
| 11:29.20 | babilen | so .. yum |
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| 11:29.38 | imdea | babilen, thank you very much, I'm going to try that |
| 11:29.48 | imdea | and regarding udev it would be enough to do apt-get install udev |
| 11:29.54 | imdea | and after that execute dist-upgrade again? |
| 11:30.38 | imdea | babilen, it says to me that linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae is already installed |
| 11:31.06 | babilen | imdea: Something interferes with vgcfgbackup -- You *should* be able to run that command without it hanging. My current working hypothesis is that it is due to the fact that you use an ancient non-Debian kernel that, on top of all things, also uses a version number that breaks the status file. |
| 11:31.07 | imdea | and when I try to do an 'apt-get install ...' I get: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 11:31.26 | babilen | imdea: Are you running that kernel right now? |
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| 11:31.57 | imdea | babilen, no, I'm running 2.6.32-5-xen-686 right now. |
| 11:32.16 | humle85 | hi, just gotta share this, after all the security talk yesterday lnkd.in/c6UVvt |
| 11:32.54 | babilen | imdea: Okay, good ... You should have removed your strange kernel package before the upgrade. (I typically start with a "aptitude purge ~o" and "aptitude purge ~c" and finish with those) -- Can you purge your .29 kernel packages with dpkg? |
| 11:32.58 | Zitter | sorry, how to know which programs were installed by a .deb pkg? |
| 11:33.23 | babilen | Zitter: If you are looking for a list of files installed from a .deb run "dpkg -l $PKG" |
| 11:33.31 | babilen | err |
| 11:33.38 | babilen | "dpkg -L $PKG" that is |
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| 11:34.00 | Zitter | babilen, yep! thanks |
| 11:34.01 | imdea | let me see |
| 11:34.54 | imdea | babilen, Yes, I've just done it. |
| 11:35.13 | error3_ | dpkg -S ? |
| 11:35.14 | dpkg | error3_: I give up, what is it? |
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| 11:36.07 | error3_ | oh my bad I thought you were looking for finding which package a file is belonging to |
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| 11:38.51 | error3_ | s/is belonging/belonged ? |
| 11:39.46 | imdea | babilen: but when I run now dpkg --configure -a or apt-get dist-upgrade, althought I don't get the prior error of the kernel version, it still gets stuck in "Configuring lvm2"... |
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| 11:45.24 | Deele | hey |
| 11:45.31 | Deele | could anyone help me with networking |
| 11:45.45 | Deele | starting from two days ago |
| 11:45.57 | Deele | I started receiving constant disconnects from network |
| 11:46.01 | imdea | anyone else please? |
| 11:46.14 | Deele | not like disconnects, but more like route broken |
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| 11:46.22 | Deele | when I try to restart networking, I get [....] Configuring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: No route to host Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 11:47.00 | Deele | and traceroute to googles 8.8.8.8 dns server only starts to respond after 6th step |
| 11:47.21 | Deele | only after system restart, I could bring it back |
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| 11:56.36 | tabeaux | Deele: Sounds like possibly bad connection/wiring/hardware |
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| 11:57.02 | Deele | tabeaux hmm |
| 11:57.29 | Deele | but nothing is changing, I event thought that vibrations are in fault |
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| 11:58.14 | Deele | seconds ago, was another disconnect |
| 11:58.27 | Deele | and I event cant get connection up without restart |
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| 11:58.32 | Deele | could you suggest some method? |
| 11:58.49 | Deele | with force reload, it drops: Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
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| 11:59.28 | Deele | and that is all I know (/etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start, etc) |
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| 11:59.53 | joltcan | SM0TVI: re your dnsmasq question, its the /etc/resolv.conf that the system uses, so you need to either add a "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in there, or make sure that the dhcp-client adds it (with a prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; in the dhclient.conf) |
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| 12:00.06 | dfrank | guys, I'm still trying to set up apache2. I noticed that whereis apache2 returns the same after installing it by apt-get and removing it by apt-get. It returns: apache2: /usr/sbin/apache2 /etc/apache2 /usr/lib/apache2 /usr/share/apache2 /usr/share/man/man8/apache2.8.gz |
| 12:00.11 | dfrank | why is that? |
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| 12:00.40 | dfrank | can I get where apt-get installs it? |
| 12:00.49 | Deele | tabeaux could you help? |
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| 12:03.06 | joltcan | dfrank: dpkg -L <package> will show you all paths' |
| 12:03.22 | dfrank | joltcan: thanks |
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| 12:15.23 | DammitJim | is there some specific setting I need to enable so that when I disconnect and connect an external monitor, for the computer to use that display? |
| 12:15.38 | tabeaux | Deele: Maybe try another live linux session and see if it still happens. This way you might be able to tell if it's a hardware or software problem |
| 12:15.48 | DammitJim | for some reason, after doing the disconnect and disconnect (w/o making any changes), the screen doesn't work anymore and I have to kill Xorg |
| 12:15.53 | DammitJim | or at least that's what's worked |
| 12:16.09 | tabeaux | DammitJim: sounds like a graphics driver problem |
| 12:16.10 | DammitJim | tabeaux, me? |
| 12:16.23 | DammitJim | this laptop is using nvidia |
| 12:16.24 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: tried xrandr? |
| 12:16.30 | DammitJim | but I don't know what setting I would need to change |
| 12:16.31 | imdea | anyone knows why after executing 'vgcfgbackup' command it hangs? there is nothing into the logs. I'm attempting doing a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 12:16.47 | DammitJim | xrandr on the tty1 just says |
| 12:16.51 | tabeaux | DammitJim: I think nvidia driver supports randr1.2 now so you can try it |
| 12:16.56 | DammitJim | Can't open display |
| 12:16.58 | tabeaux | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 12:17.16 | DammitJim | tabeaux, where would I put that line you just wrote? |
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| 12:17.29 | tabeaux | DammitJim: tty' |
| 12:17.46 | DammitJim | weird thing is I didn't have this problem on squeeze, but it was also a different computer |
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| 12:18.04 | DammitJim | ok, that spit out some good stuff |
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| 12:18.27 | DammitJim | mach@mach:~$ DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 12:18.27 | DammitJim | Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
| 12:18.27 | DammitJim | VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 12:18.27 | DammitJim | LVDS-0 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 12:18.27 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.35 | tabeaux | heh |
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| 12:18.52 | DammitJim | http://pastie.org/8099660 |
| 12:18.54 | DammitJim | I deserved that |
| 12:18.56 | DammitJim | wrong button :( |
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| 12:19.39 | tabeaux | <DammitJim> for some reason, after doing the disconnect and disconnect (w/o making any changes), the screen doesn't work anymore and I have to kill Xorg <-- can you elaborate on 'doesnt work'? |
| 12:19.43 | tabeaux | !work |
| 12:19.43 | dpkg | from memory, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-) |
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| 12:20.03 | DammitJim | tabeaux, I mean, there is nothing on the monitor |
| 12:20.06 | DammitJim | black |
| 12:20.14 | DammitJim | and I meant doing the disconnect and connect |
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| 12:20.35 | DammitJim | actually, it's not a disconnect, it's just turning off the AVR that feeds into a TV |
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| 12:20.54 | tabeaux | DammitJim: So you plugin the second monitor and what happens? And then after disconnect the main output goes black? |
| 12:20.55 | DammitJim | but this is great. DP-1 shows as connected even though the AVR is off now |
| 12:21.25 | DammitJim | tabeaux, I have this laptop that has a DP port connected to an HDMI adapter that connects to an AVR. The AVR connects to my TV |
| 12:21.37 | DammitJim | I can be watching a movie from the computer |
| 12:21.41 | DammitJim | then turn off the AVR and TV |
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| 12:21.50 | DammitJim | turn around and turn the AVR and TV back on |
| 12:21.54 | DammitJim | and the screen is just black |
| 12:22.15 | DammitJim | as a matter of fact, the AVR says: No signal |
| 12:22.33 | DammitJim | but if I kill Xorg, it resets something and the login screen shows up |
| 12:22.37 | tabeaux | the driver is probably getting confused somehow |
| 12:22.46 | DammitJim | the pastie I just gave is with the AVR off |
| 12:23.04 | DammitJim | is there an xorg.conf switch I need to enable? |
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| 12:24.14 | tabeaux | DammitJim: Maybe try toggling it off/on with xrandr? |
| 12:24.53 | tabeaux | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output DP-1 --mode off; DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output DP-1 --mode auto |
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| 12:30.02 | bas1234 | Hello Debian community :D |
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| 12:30.48 | bas1234 | Im having a routing challenge and I would like to ask for your advice/input |
| 12:31.30 | bas1234 | Running wheezy I have eth0 eth1 eth 2 wlan0 ppp0 |
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| 12:31.51 | bas1234 | wlan0 has the gw |
| 12:32.09 | bas1234 | but when no signal, I want ppp0 to be gw. |
| 12:32.25 | bas1234 | How do I resolve this? |
| 12:32.34 | bas1234 | Di I need ifplugd? |
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| 12:32.51 | bas1234 | set route in pre up fases? |
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| 12:33.14 | tabeaux | you probably can just write a script |
| 12:33.16 | bas1234 | Im a bit confused on how to configure this... |
| 12:34.03 | bas1234 | @tabeaux I think you are right :D any suggestions on how this script would look? |
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| 12:35.25 | tabeaux | bas1234: poll for either signal or ping something like google and switch over when you reach whatever condition |
| 12:36.32 | bas1234 | @tabeaux isnt there a more easier and failsafe way to do this? |
| 12:36.42 | bas1234 | using route? |
| 12:36.47 | bas1234 | using ifplugd? |
| 12:36.57 | tabeaux | maybe but I have no idea really |
| 12:37.04 | bas1234 | iproute2? |
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| 12:37.38 | bas1234 | thank you tabeaux |
| 12:37.54 | bas1234 | does anyone else have a good suggestion on how to resolve this/ |
| 12:37.57 | bas1234 | ? |
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| 12:39.03 | Deele | tabeaux you mean switch to another console and try connecting? |
| 12:39.19 | tabeaux | Deele: No, boot a live cd or whatever |
| 12:40.00 | bas1234 | Im not using GUI or Network manager... |
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| 12:40.12 | abrotman | bas1234: you can do high availability stuff IIRC |
| 12:40.39 | bas1234 | just have /etc/network/interfaces file and wpa_supplicant and ppp0 being used by wvdial |
| 12:40.56 | Deele | tabeaux after system restart, it works without problem until next glitch |
| 12:41.35 | tabeaux | Deele: Right but you want to know if it's a problem with hardware or software so run a known working live session and see if it happens |
| 12:41.44 | bas1234 | abrotan: what do you mean? |
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| 12:42.24 | abrotman | bas1234: abro<tab> .. works much better |
| 12:42.24 | Deele | tabeaux I have just same debian 7 netinst cd, so I need to burn new image |
| 12:42.35 | tabeaux | bas1234: To change the route, you can just add/del the default gw with route |
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| 12:43.05 | abrotman | bas1234: look for a package that will determine when nework is down on one interface, and use the other |
| 12:43.27 | bas1234 | tabeaux: how can I do this autmaticlly so it switches from wlan0 gw to ppp0 gw? |
| 12:43.31 | tabeaux | or if there's already an app for that.. |
| 12:43.47 | tabeaux | bas1234: Can you pastebin the output of route? |
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| 12:44.08 | bas1234 | tabeaux: the app could be ifplugd but also that doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 12:44.28 | tabeaux | bas1234: route del default; route add default gw $gw |
| 12:45.07 | tabeaux | bbiab |
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| 12:47.40 | bas1234 | tabeaux http://pastebin.com/wuRfYjbZ |
| 12:47.45 | bas1234 | tabeaux: http://pastebin.com/wuRfYjbZ |
| 12:48.10 | bas1234 | that is when wifi is enables |
| 12:48.13 | bas1234 | that is when wifi is enabled |
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| 12:52.06 | lautriv | anyone good at NFS-V4 ? i have issues while trying to get a root-mount up. |
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| 12:54.43 | bas1234 | hmmmz |
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| 12:54.51 | bas1234 | maybe use iptables |
| 12:55.47 | bas1234 | should be possible to redirect traffic with a spefic destination adres to a different gateway adress.. |
| 12:56.39 | tabeaux | bas1234: You'll have to use something like masquerading and forward packets to where they need to go |
| 12:59.08 | moldy | when the debian installer finds an md array with no paritions on it, it does not seem to offer me any possibility to configure create my own partitions on the md device. instead, it just seems to magically assume one partition exists/should exist occupying all the space |
| 12:59.12 | tralala | I upgraded a domU machine to wheezy and it ssh stopped accepting new connections. The behaviour is **very** weird. The connection is not rejected outright, but the client just hangs there until it times out. Other domU machines that were upgraded work just fine. This one has a firewall, but even with the firewall stopped it still won't accept connections. |
| 12:59.29 | moldy | how do i actually create my own partitioning scheme in that case? |
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| 13:00.17 | Kiril | guys is it avaible pbkdf2 for debian 7 and what's the name of package ? |
| 13:01.04 | Kiril | also is it enough good file encrypter or you can recommend me something far better |
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| 13:03.28 | HelenaKitty | I removed a load of old linux kernels I don't use from my system and it's complaining about broken links and saying I need to rerun my boot loader, how do I do that? I use grub. |
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| 13:04.05 | bas1234 | tabeaux: I would work if I could change the gateway based on the destination of the traffic but dont know the correct iptables rule yet.. |
| 13:04.08 | tralala | HelenaKitty, update-grub |
| 13:04.12 | HelenaKitty | thnx :3 |
| 13:04.17 | ksk | HelenaKitty: update-grub i guess, also dpkg-reconfigure $kernel_package_you_want should help |
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| 13:05.20 | HelenaKitty | thnx :3 |
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| 13:06.24 | tabeaux | bas1234: Maybe something like IN_IFACE=wlan0; OUT_IFACE=eth0; /sbin/ifconfig $OUT_IFACE 192.168.5.101; /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IN_IFACE -j MASQUERADE; /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i $OUT_IFACE -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:13.59 | bas1234 | tebeaux: how can I change the default gateway for traffic to a specific destination address, please :D? I want trafice from eth2 to beforwarded to wlan 0. did that with: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth2 -o wlan0 |
| 13:14.03 | bas1234 | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE |
| 13:14.36 | alberto1 | I installed debian wheezy, and install ttf-mscorefonts-installer and run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and set autohinter on automatic - always - no. But the fonts are looking bold, and somewhat Embassies, is to fix this? |
| 13:14.40 | bas1234 | but if the destination from a node in the network in eth2 has a specific destination adress I want it to send it to ppp0 |
| 13:14.55 | alberto1 | I use debian wheezy with lxde |
| 13:16.03 | p3rror | hello |
| 13:16.12 | p3rror | please I need to run a vhost on mod suphp |
| 13:16.24 | p3rror | here is the cnofig of the vhost http://paste.debian.net/13615/ |
| 13:16.31 | alberto1 | I installed debian wheezy, and install ttf-mscorefonts-installer and run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and set autohinter on automatic - always - no. But the fonts are looking bold, and somewhat Embassies, is to fix this? |
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| 13:16.34 | p3rror | the problem is that I still have mod_php |
| 13:16.38 | ksk | p3rror: why do you need that? i really dont think so |
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| 13:16.57 | ksk | p3rror: did you take a look at apache-itk? |
| 13:17.22 | sundeb_88 | I use a custom setup of debian wheezy-xfce with ifscheame instead of network-manager Oor wicd or any other bloated gui network manager |
| 13:17.25 | p3rror | ksk, I need to execute some script as a defined users |
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| 13:17.49 | Kiril | anyone can't help ? |
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| 13:18.02 | alberto1 | anyone here can help? |
| 13:18.21 | Guest92757 | darmok |
| 13:18.50 | Kiril | alberto1 |
| 13:18.56 | alberto1 | yes |
| 13:18.56 | Kiril | [16:00:03] <Kiril> guys is it avaible pbkdf2 for debian 7 and what's the name of package ? |
| 13:18.59 | ksk | p3rror: id rather suggest using apache-itk - but anyway there is a suphp package in debian - should be no problem installing it |
| 13:18.59 | Kiril | [16:00:50] <Kiril> also is it enough good file encrypter or you can recommend me something far better |
| 13:19.13 | sundeb_88 | p3rror: have you ggogled this quandry? |
| 13:19.18 | alberto1 | Kiril |
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| 13:21.19 | anton01 | why do u allow port 80 out and not in to browse the web? |
| 13:21.24 | p3rror | sundeb_88, not really I know how to activate suphp and i did |
| 13:21.43 | p3rror | the problem is out there, is that my vhost still run on mod_php |
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| 13:22.07 | alberto1 | I installed debian wheezy, and install ttf-mscorefonts-installer and run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and set autohinter on automatic - always - no. But the fonts are looking bold, and somewhat Embassies, is to fix this? |
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| 13:23.43 | babilen | alberto1: "Embassies" ? I am using exactly those settings (but I wouldn't use mscorefonts) and am very happy with it. Could you paste a screenshot that shows the problem you are describing? Does it only happen with fonts from ttf-mscorefonts or with, say, DejaVu too? |
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| 13:25.57 | alberto1 | babilen see http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=bb0dbbe |
| 13:26.10 | DammitJim | tabeaux, I am not using the same machine as I have at home, but doing the xrandr --output --mode seemed to work |
| 13:26.22 | DammitJim | however, it didn't like the auto --mode |
| 13:26.28 | alberto1 | http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/image.php?id=bb0dbbe |
| 13:26.47 | DammitJim | but how do I make it stick? |
| 13:26.57 | DammitJim | in other words, I want the screen to be on all the time |
| 13:27.03 | DammitJim | and not have to run anything |
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| 13:28.05 | Megaf | hi folks, is this a problem with the package? http://paste.debian.net/13621/ |
| 13:28.33 | tabeaux | DammitJim: If it's a driver problem, maybe try a different version of the driver |
| 13:28.45 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 13:29.05 | DammitJim | what command does one use to check what monitor is connected? |
| 13:29.09 | babilen | DammitJim: Just create suitable configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- look into xorg.conf(5) for details |
| 13:29.35 | babilen | alberto1: I don't quite see the problem, you might, however, want to set a different default font. I am happy with DejaVu, but the rendering looks fine (to me) |
| 13:29.59 | tabeaux | Megaf: Maybe, try grabbing the deb from the vbox site |
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| 13:30.24 | tabeaux | babilen: The problem occurs after he hot plugs it |
| 13:30.26 | DammitJim | babilen, could you help me a little bit with a hint about what to call this option? |
| 13:30.40 | DammitJim | is it called auto detect or something? |
| 13:31.01 | Megaf | tabeaux, but that would be another version, wouldnt it? |
| 13:31.16 | DammitJim | and is it normal that I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? |
| 13:31.23 | tabeaux | Megaf: Probably newer yes |
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| 13:31.32 | babilen | DammitJim: Oh, I thought you simply want to configure a dual screen setup in a persistent way ... |
| 13:31.39 | babilen | (haven't really been paying attention) |
| 13:31.50 | alberto1 | babilen how to set fonts Dejavu? |
| 13:31.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell DammitJim -about empty xorg.conf |
| 13:31.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell DammitJim -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 13:33.02 | babilen | alberto1: Configure your browser -- I never ever used those microsoft fonts and couldn't care less about them. I also assume that you restarted Xorg after making the font rendering changes, didn't you? (some programs pick it up immediately, but ..) |
| 13:33.19 | babilen | alberto1: Is the rendering fine *without* the mscorefonts? |
| 13:33.31 | DammitJim | babilen, ok, I knew that about xorg.conf, but not xorg.conf.d |
| 13:33.48 | DammitJim | so, do you guys know of a switch I need to enable so that the output to my external monitor is never turned off? |
| 13:34.30 | babilen | turned off? |
| 13:34.36 | sundeb_88 | has xfce4.10 been migrated to whhezy? |
| 13:34.41 | babilen | As in the monitor is actually turned off? |
| 13:34.42 | sundeb_88 | has xfce4.10 been migrated to wheezy? |
| 13:35.04 | DammitJim | babilen, my problem is that when I turn off the monitor and then turn it back on, there is no output to the monitore |
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| 13:35.13 | babilen | sundeb_88: It will *never* migrate to wheezy. That is the whole point of a "stable" release -- it does not change (it is stable) |
| 13:35.17 | zykotick9 | sundeb_88: ahhh wheezy is stable, meaning it doesn't change. |
| 13:35.21 | DammitJim | for some reason, the system is detecting that the monitor was turned off but then never wakes it up again |
| 13:35.34 | DammitJim | or at least that's my suspicion |
| 13:35.44 | babilen | judd: v xfce4 |
| 13:35.46 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 13:35.48 | babilen | sundeb_88: ^ |
| 13:36.07 | sundeb_88 | Damnit I was hoping for mxfce4.10 in wheezy |
| 13:36.22 | DammitJim | sundeb_88, don't be calling my name in vain! |
| 13:36.23 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 13:36.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell sundeb_88 -about stable |
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| 13:37.09 | babilen | sundeb_88: "stable" simply means "not changing" in the context of Debian and has very little to do with "working" or "bug free" |
| 13:37.23 | sundeb_88 | Any hints on mixing stable and experimental to grab xfce4.10 from sid? |
| 13:37.40 | DammitJim | the machine is detecting the monitor being there, but it's not using it |
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| 13:37.51 | mumpitzel | the only hint you get is: don't do it. you can backport it yourself if you are adventurous |
| 13:38.01 | babilen | sundeb_88: I doubt that xfce4 will be backported as well (cf. "/msg dpkg backports") so you'll have to consider tracking testing (e.g. in a tum setup "/msg dpkg tum" and read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable) if you want 4.10 |
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| 13:38.37 | babilen | sundeb_88: You should *never* mix stable with anything but backports (in particular not testing, unstable or experimental, let alone third-party repos) |
| 13:38.45 | mumpitzel | babilen: what does "tum" stand for? |
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| 13:40.06 | babilen | mumpitzel: testing unstable mix |
| 13:40.07 | sundeb_88 | gotcha babilen |
| 13:40.48 | babilen | sundeb_88: You can backport packages yourself (not all of them directly) by following "/msg dpkg ssb" (simple sid backport) - but note that you might have to backport selected build dependencies first. |
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| 13:41.36 | babilen | sundeb_88: My impression is that you would prefer to run testing, but I am not sure if I should suggest it as it is definitely a bit more work than tracking stable and you have to be willing to invest time into the administraton of the system. |
| 13:43.15 | sundeb_88 | Nope not with a relationship on the line babilen |
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| 13:44.48 | sundeb_88 | as it is i spend upwards of 13+ hours a day on my laptop which i nned to be stable and can't afford another machine both time, emotional and monetarily speeking |
| 13:45.21 | sundeb_88 | babilen: ^^ |
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| 13:45.53 | zykotick9 | sundeb_88: if you value "a working system" over new features, stick with stable ;) |
| 13:46.12 | sundeb_88 | Will due zykotick9 |
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| 13:48.18 | sundeb_88 | No to mention the time, agravation and effort i placed into gett oracle java-7u25 and LibreOffiice 4.0.4 installed which took a heave toll on my relationship with my partner |
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| 13:49.39 | babilen | sundeb_88: I would strongly recommend to not use Oracle's java but OpenJDK (openjdk is the reference implementation for 7+ after all) |
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| 13:50.37 | sundeb_88 | Thankjs for the advice babilen |
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| 13:52.03 | ksuhku | sundeb_88, I second babilen's advice |
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| 13:52.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell sundeb_88 -about install java |
| 13:52.49 | babilen | (it is also healthier for a relation_) |
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| 14:03.32 | hillix | I need some help with debian wheezy; everyhting has been running great for awhile now until I had to do a hard restart because vmplayer was hung |
| 14:04.02 | hillix | then when when I logged back in my desktop was blank |
| 14:04.22 | hillix | the only thing visible is the debian logo |
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| 14:04.59 | hillix | has anyone else had issues like this before? |
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| 14:05.17 | hillix | thanks in advance |
| 14:05.40 | format_c | press Crtl+Alt+F1 to switch to a text console, then login and check the content of .xsession-errors |
| 14:05.43 | [nas]peter | I installed debian with LVM encryption, and when I try to boot, Debian shows some ERROR message, and I get a shell like thing where I can type into '(initramfs):' |
| 14:05.47 | format_c | in home directory |
| 14:05.56 | [nas]peter | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:06.16 | hillix | thanks I'll give that a try... |
| 14:06.20 | moof2 | I did, it turned out the fglrx driver was not removed completely |
| 14:06.57 | moof2 | [nas]peter, can't work with "some error" |
| 14:06.59 | hillix | whereis .xsession-errors |
| 14:07.10 | moof2 | in ~ |
| 14:07.12 | format_c | should be located in your home directory |
| 14:07.14 | [nas]peter | It can't find /dev/mapper/Admin--MSI-root |
| 14:07.14 | hillix | sorry, I forgot was in this scrren still |
| 14:07.24 | hillix | 'screen' |
| 14:07.36 | format_c | just type `cat ~/.xsession-errors` |
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| 14:08.04 | moof2 | [nas]peter, does it drop you into a shell? |
| 14:08.14 | Kingsy | is it possible to get a print preview feature in debian? |
| 14:08.39 | Kingsy | it would be so handy for configuring print.css sheets if I didnt have to print a pdf everytime |
| 14:08.43 | format_c | Kingsy, that's part of the application from which you try to print |
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| 14:08.53 | jelly | Kingsy: this is basically an application feature. |
| 14:08.55 | Kingsy | ah right |
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| 14:09.00 | [nas]peter | moof2, yes |
| 14:09.06 | [nas]peter | initramfs shell |
| 14:09.07 | Kingsy | fook, doesnt look like firefox or chrome has it then |
| 14:09.25 | moof2 | ok, try this: vgchange -a y |
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| 14:09.36 | paullik | Hi. I;m currently reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en and I wonder why you guys recommend using cp instead of dd for writing the image to the USB stick? |
| 14:10.01 | Kingsy | apparently chrome has a built in print preview feature which you can enable via about:flags.. I don't see it |
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| 14:10.23 | ksk | paullik: you need to specifiy a blocksize to dd if you want it to be done "fast" - cp does this autmagicly |
| 14:10.35 | ksk | but you can of course use dd, or cat, or whatever |
| 14:10.51 | format_c | paullik, mhh haven't read this manual but I already did such a installation and there, I also copied the image onto the USB stick using dd just out of intention |
| 14:11.05 | paullik | ksk, but wouldn't cp treat /dev/sdX as an actual FILE? not a block device? |
| 14:11.19 | format_c | I even didn't know that an manual exists for that :-) |
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| 14:12.02 | ksk | paullik: everything is a file! |
| 14:12.18 | moof2 | [nas]peter, did that do anything? |
| 14:12.58 | paullik | ksk, I meant: won't /dev/sdx become the actual debian.iso instead of beaing written to the usb stick? |
| 14:13.08 | paullik | s/beaing/being/ |
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| 14:13.31 | ksk | paullik: no, it does work using cp. |
| 14:14.12 | paullik | nice, ok |
| 14:14.21 | paullik | thanks! |
| 14:14.26 | [nas]peter | moof2, I get grub rescue now |
| 14:14.34 | bitgeek | I am using Iceweasel but on wunderlist.com it is asking me to update to latest FF and doesn't give me an option to continue anyway, how can I fix it please? not sure what search term to use in search so not getting results. |
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| 14:14.43 | DammitJim | is noveau the open source version of the nvidia drivers? |
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| 14:15.32 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: technically, nouveau is the "free" (even bettern than open source) version of nvidia driver |
| 14:15.58 | DammitJim | ugh, would I need to apt-get purge nvidia* to get rid of the nvidia driver? |
| 14:16.45 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: probably, something along those lines yes. BUT, also, if you have nvidia-propritary installed, you'll need to undo the blacklist it created for nouveau. |
| 14:17.02 | DammitJim | how do I check for that? |
| 14:17.07 | babilen | bitgeek: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net for recent iceweasel versions |
| 14:17.12 | DammitJim | dpkg -l | grep nvidia-propritary ? |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep nvidia-propritary |
| 14:17.50 | DammitJim | or nvidia-alternatives ? |
| 14:18.00 | mumpitze1 | DammitJim: neither. just dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 14:18.10 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: it's not called nvidia-propritary ;) see "/msg dpkg blacklist" for directions about the blacklist part. |
| 14:18.17 | paullik | Another question: how do I empty a USB stick using the command line? because cp says it's full |
| 14:18.35 | mumpitze1 | paullik: you delete files with "rm" |
| 14:18.39 | babilen | paullik: Delete some files on it using rm(1) |
| 14:18.45 | DammitJim | http://pastie.org/8099977 |
| 14:18.51 | DammitJim | man, my machine is a mess! |
| 14:18.52 | moof2 | where is that blacklist? which file? |
| 14:18.55 | zykotick9 | paullik: sounds like you copying to a partition, instead of the device! use (for example only) sdb, NOT sdb1. |
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| 14:18.56 | Kingsy | if it says on the chrome website that I should have a print preview feature, and I don't, is this because we hvae an outdated version in the repos? or? |
| 14:19.08 | paullik | zykotick9, that's what I;m using |
| 14:19.36 | lasers | Hi. I have a question about http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ -- I don't see sloppy folder although http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ said something about sloppy. Is it missing or something? Thoughts? |
| 14:19.40 | zykotick9 | paullik: sorry that doesn't make sense... doing this should blank the USB in the process. |
| 14:19.43 | paullik | zykotick9, mumpitze1, babilen and that's why I asked, I knew about rm.. |
| 14:19.50 | lasers | Kingsy: Are you using Chrome or Chromium? They're similar yet different. |
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| 14:20.24 | paullik | zykotick9, well, trid with dd, look: http://pastie.org/8099982 |
| 14:20.28 | Kingsy | ah chromium |
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| 14:20.58 | babilen | paullik: How large is your stick? |
| 14:21.02 | paullik | babilen, 4 GB |
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| 14:21.22 | zykotick9 | paullik: sorry, i can't explain that. good luck. |
| 14:21.26 | babilen | paullik: Could you plug it in (again) and show us the output of "dmesg|tail -n42" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:21.33 | paullik | 1 sec |
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| 14:21.54 | moof2 | how large is the dvd image? |
| 14:22.07 | paullik | moof2, 3.7 gb |
| 14:22.10 | lasers | Kingsy: Are you on Squeeze? |
| 14:22.13 | babilen | paullik: You can also just use cp in lieu of dd as it adjusts the blocksize dynamically and doesn't suffer from such a braindead syntax. I would also recommend to use dcfldd whenever you actually have to use dd |
| 14:22.22 | hillix | format_c is there anything specifically I am looking for in the .xsession-errors file? I see that there are a couple of errors listed but there is |
| 14:22.35 | hillix | is no timestamp |
| 14:22.36 | moof2 | the dd looked successful |
| 14:22.45 | halt | HI all, I try to determinate on one system what i just took over which packages are comming from they own repo and which one from the testing etc, is there any quick way to collect them , like dpkg -l | grep "repo" but unforunatly the dpkg -l do not show the sorce repo |
| 14:23.11 | Kingsy | lasers: no wheezy |
| 14:23.24 | bitgeek | babilen: that worked, thank you |
| 14:23.34 | paullik | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/13630/ |
| 14:23.59 | format_c | hillix, can you nopaste it? |
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| 14:24.32 | moof2 | halt, see if you can get more info with apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 14:24.36 | hillix | sure thing, just give me a few... |
| 14:24.51 | Kingsy | lasers: all links I read say it should be built in, it isnt |
| 14:24.56 | Kingsy | as far as I can see |
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| 14:25.34 | paullik | babilen, if it matters, right now I'm not on a debian system |
| 14:25.36 | lasers | Kingsy: I'm reading something about checking "man chromium" for --enable-print-preview (or something along the line). "(Force enable on Chromium, which normally does not have the PDF viewer required for print preview.)" |
| 14:25.47 | halt | moof2: yes i can do it package by package, but I'm searching for a listing soltuion but then i just promt all the installed package into the apt-cache policy |
| 14:26.00 | Kingsy | ah ok |
| 14:26.19 | Kingsy | would it not be easier to install pdf viewer.. I guess its an app |
| 14:26.24 | Kingsy | extenasion * |
| 14:26.25 | lasers | Kingsy: I use Iceweasel myself so I don't know much about chrome/chromium. Good luck. :) |
| 14:26.44 | moof2 | halt, is there a piece of the apt-cache policy output that seems interesting as compared to the rest? |
| 14:27.00 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, checking dmesg I got this -> http://bpaste.net/show/L8uRsXfyTxfda1Eo9Mck/ |
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| 14:27.12 | Kingsy | np thanks |
| 14:27.15 | Ephexeve | ANy idea? Funny that when i woke up chromium was open, so it didnt close.. weird.. |
| 14:27.21 | babilen | paullik: It shouldn't can you write smaller images (e.g. the netinstall with firmware -- "/msg dpkg firmware image") to the stick? |
| 14:27.22 | moof2 | halt, there are loops in the shell :) |
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| 14:28.31 | paullik | babilen, 1 sec |
| 14:28.34 | halt | moof2: there is yeah that is fine, i just hoped something more elegant way... and also this policy is too verbose i just need the repo name |
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| 14:29.08 | moof2 | you may be able to carve it out |
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| 14:30.26 | lasers | Hi. I have a question about http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ -- I don't see sloppy folder although http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ said something about sloppy. Is it missing or something? Thoughts? |
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| 14:30.38 | moof2 | halt, is the repn name preceeded by a number? |
| 14:30.43 | paullik | babilen, yep, no error for this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:31.46 | paullik | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/13634/ |
| 14:31.53 | babilen | paullik: Your stick is 3.76 GiB and therefore smaller than the DVD images |
| 14:31.57 | halt | moof2: there is a 3 repo installed the stable the testing and one custom, i just need the list of the packages which are instelld from the custom repo, and the list of installed from the testing |
| 14:32.22 | babilen | paullik: Would using that image be an option or do you require the DVD? |
| 14:32.58 | moof2 | so you want to get rid of the testing packages? |
| 14:33.00 | paullik | babilen, I'm looking for something complete-ly... not necesearily a DVD |
| 14:33.13 | babilen | paullik: Complete to do what? |
| 14:33.24 | moof2 | since you don't want a mixed system which could break your packaging db? |
| 14:33.27 | paullik | s/necesearily/necessarily/ |
| 14:33.51 | zykotick9 | paullik: if you have a network (probably wired is best), i'd recommend using the netinst iso myself. |
| 14:34.00 | paullik | babilen, complete so I can use it... |
| 14:34.12 | paullik | zykotick9, well, I think I'll go with that... |
| 14:34.22 | paullik | if the USB stick has faild me :)) |
| 14:34.28 | halt | moof2: I found one ruby script written for ubuntu what's doing the same thing what I need but not for debian |
| 14:34.33 | babilen | paullik: Use it whatfor -- The installer (as in the program that installs) is the same on all images. They simply differ in the selection of packages that ship with them. |
| 14:34.43 | zykotick9 | paullik: i mean netinst iso for the USB (just to be clear) |
| 14:34.53 | paullik | zykotick9, yep, I got you |
| 14:35.08 | babilen | paullik: You can therefore use *every* installer image to install every task *iff* you have access to the internet during the installation. |
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| 14:36.45 | paullik | babilen, I'll go with a netinst and I'll build from that later on |
| 14:36.52 | paullik | thank you for your help |
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| 14:37.09 | moof2 | halt, ... which is not guaranteed to work with debian, and, you're only reading so it's probably worth a try... does it call apt-cache policy? |
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| 14:37.40 | babilen | paullik: Which desktop environment do you want to install? |
| 14:38.07 | paullik | babilen, I'll install xfce |
| 14:38.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell paullik about install xfce |
| 14:39.01 | paullik | babilen, nice, thanks |
| 14:40.34 | xiaorong | who is dpkg? |
| 14:40.44 | paullik | xiaorong, a bot :) |
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| 14:41.17 | dvs | dpkg, what are you? |
| 14:41.17 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 14:43.34 | DammitJim | how can I tell what video drivers I'm using |
| 14:43.56 | babilen | DammitJim: Check you /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:44.03 | moof2 | one way, you can look at your xorg.conf |
| 14:44.04 | xiaorong | I want to know how to conmunicate with dpkg? |
| 14:44.11 | lasers | DammitJim: "lsmod | grep ^n" |
| 14:44.15 | dvs | xiaorong: /msg dpkg |
| 14:44.23 | DammitJim | ok, great |
| 14:44.29 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. How can I mount a freeBSD partition in Debian? Using mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2,ro /device /mountpoint doesn't work, giving me 'ufs_read_super: bad magic number' |
| 14:44.29 | DammitJim | now i am using nouveau |
| 14:44.35 | DammitJim | I hope I removed all the nvidia stuff |
| 14:44.46 | moof2 | xiaorong, its factoids are also available in other forms |
| 14:45.33 | DammitJim | so, with nouveau, what is the optimal tool to set up to just use an external monitor? |
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| 14:45.47 | DammitJim | I've used arandr before, but the system doesn't automatically use the settings on boot |
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| 14:46.27 | dfrank | guys, I previously had unstable in my sources list, and now I left only squeeze there. But, now I have many troubles with packages that were installed from unstable, but are unavailable in squeeze. Say, I need to downgrade libc6 from 2.17 to 2.11. How can I do that? |
| 14:46.28 | moof2 | you could do something like call it in .xsession |
| 14:47.07 | moof2 | dfrank, I'd say restore from the backup you made before you added unstable |
| 14:47.19 | dfrank | moof2: no such backup =( |
| 14:47.38 | moof2 | you know, the backup that the install manual says you should make? |
| 14:48.05 | babilen | DammitJim: As I said earlier: Create a suitable configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (same with the nvidia driver) |
| 14:48.12 | moof2 | anyway, do you have /home as a separate partition? |
| 14:48.28 | DammitJim | babilen, is there a tool to create that file, though? |
| 14:48.37 | DammitJim | like nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:48.49 | moof2 | you may have to reinstall from scratch (one thing's for sure, I don't want to spend hours with you unraveling the mess) |
| 14:48.54 | dfrank | moof2: hmm sorry, i don't understand you. Yes, /home is a separate partition |
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| 14:49.41 | xiaorong | I don't know what's wrong with my hexchat, when i type enter it will exit. |
| 14:49.46 | napo | I have an already partitioned (ubuntu/windows 7) dualboot system. I will like to replace ubuntu with debian testing. I got as far as the disk partition. However, I'm stuck as I don't know how to get debian to use the exisiting ubuntu partitions /boot , / and /home. Debian seems to want to create new partitions. I was expecting to be able to just mount the existing partitions |
| 14:49.54 | moof2 | so you -could- reinstall, and mention the /home partition to the partitioning tool, and set it on "don't format" |
| 14:50.08 | dfrank | moof2: I tried to remove libc6 (in order to install it back later), but there's too many apps going to be removed together with libc6 |
| 14:50.24 | dfrank | moof2: is there a way to remove libc6 without accessing dependencies? |
| 14:50.33 | dfrank | moof2: or, is it really bad idea? |
| 14:50.36 | babilen | DammitJim: No, you would use an editor. Read the xorg.conf manpage I pointed out earlier. |
| 14:50.43 | halt | moof2: can't see it yet here is it https://github.com/fab1an/unix-admin-tools/blob/master/dpkg-origins |
| 14:50.45 | DammitJim | babilen, thanks |
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| 14:50.52 | moof2 | there's dpkg --help |
| 14:51.03 | dfrank | moof2: I think, if I uninstall, and then immediately install libc6, then it will be ok |
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| 14:51.20 | hillix | format_c, here is the link: http://pastie.org/8100067 |
| 14:51.32 | babilen | DammitJim: http://manual.aptosid.com/en/hw-dev-mon-en.htm has some information you might find interesting. i am sure that a simple google query such as "xorg.conf.d dual head" yields many more results. |
| 14:52.17 | moof2 | you can do that if you want... I'd suggest not removing libc6, instead just install the .deb of the libc6 you want over it |
| 14:52.26 | moof2 | your milage may VARY. |
| 14:52.32 | babilen | remove libc6 ? what? |
| 14:52.55 | moof2 | yeah, he's pretty much screwed atm :) |
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| 14:53.29 | babilen | dfrank: You *cannot* downgrade from unstable to squeeze (nor wheezy fwiw) |
| 14:53.32 | DammitJim | does xrandr end up reading the xorg.conf? |
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| 14:53.41 | babilen | DammitJim: no, it is independent |
| 14:53.58 | DammitJim | so, xrandr is never called on boot of a machine, right? |
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| 14:54.50 | moof2 | babilen, and yet he's gonna do it! he's got a frankenjawsgodzilla |
| 14:55.06 | moof2 | even his monsters are mixed |
| 14:55.07 | dfrank | babilen: really, absolutely no way to downgrade?.. |
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| 14:55.56 | moof2 | dfrank, what you have right now is a mixture of squeeze and unstable, you have the libc6 of... |
| 14:56.01 | moof2 | , v libc6 |
| 14:56.02 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-6; sid: 2.17-7 |
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| 14:56.15 | moof2 | probably unstable |
| 14:56.32 | moof2 | which is depended upon by unstable packages |
| 14:56.37 | dfrank | damn |
| 14:56.39 | babilen | dfrank: No |
| 14:56.58 | babilen | dfrank: Do not mix stable (let alone oldstable!!) with anything but backports. |
| 14:57.05 | moof2 | so as soon as you do this, you're going to affect all the unstable packages |
| 14:57.15 | babilen | dfrank: I also wouldn't attempt to upgrade from squeeze to sid, so ... |
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| 14:57.58 | dfrank | babilen: ok, what should I do now, then? unstable contains apache 2.4 which is uncompatible with ISP Manager which is needed on the server |
| 14:58.10 | dfrank | babilen: so, I decided to use stable instead |
| 14:58.12 | babilen | dfrank: Restore your system from backups and don't mix your system with wheezy, testing (jessie) or unstable (sid) -- You can upgrade to wheezy by following the release notes for wheezy. (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 14:58.29 | moof2 | babilen, he's already in that situation... so he can either reinstall (reformatting everything except his /home partition) or if he wants to spend his time that way, he can see what he can do about the situation |
| 14:59.03 | moof2 | dfrank, why do you need apache 2.4? |
| 14:59.21 | babilen | dfrank: I already told you some hours ago that you should have never have installed apache2.4 on squeeze. It is not compatible with that release *at all* -- you can try to rescue this system, but it is most likely a futile attempt that will only waste a lot of time. |
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| 14:59.42 | dfrank | moof2: I didn't need it, conversely, i need 2.2 |
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| 15:00.02 | moof2 | so it got in there by mistake? |
| 15:00.10 | dfrank | moof2: yes |
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| 15:00.43 | babilen | dfrank: Well, I don't think it makes sense to play the blame game right now. Accept that the system has been broken by mixing oldstable and unstable, restore from your backups and get on with your life. |
| 15:00.48 | moof2 | this is what I would suggest, if you're willing to try an experiment that may fail miserably... |
| 15:01.05 | babilen | moof2: There is simply no way this could work. |
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| 15:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... <dfrank> moof2: no such backup =( |
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| 15:01.37 | babilen | The multiarch and /run transition alone will be a *massive* headache and none of the maintainer scripts are expected to handle this at all |
| 15:01.55 | dfrank | babilen, moof2: well... too bad. I haven't any backups. No idea really what to do. thanks for your suggestions. |
| 15:02.04 | moof2 | CutMeOwnThroat, next thing he'll say is this is a mission-critical production server used by thousands... |
| 15:02.34 | moof2 | no, it can't be that bad... |
| 15:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | in that case... save data, reinstall. you probably *could* still rescue it, but it'll take about ten times the time of reinstalling and getting everything to work |
| 15:02.38 | babilen | I am not saying that it is not possible at all, just that it will be *a lot* of manual work and that the best thing that will be achieved at the end is a squeeze system that appears to be running with (potentially) lots of bodies in the cellar. |
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| 15:02.55 | format_c | hillix, have you tried to create another user and login with this user? |
| 15:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | moof2, oh right... it's doing critical life-saving stuff in a hospital :P |
| 15:03.09 | moof2 | surgical robot |
| 15:03.20 | format_c | this shall test if some .directories in your home have bad content. |
| 15:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (also it'll be a pain in the nadgers and we won't help you with it exactly out of that reason) |
| 15:03.38 | moof2 | "Take out wrenched ankle!" |
| 15:03.44 | babilen | dfrank: My suggestion is: Learn your lesson, don't mix stable with anything but backports and install wheezy from scratch. (see "/msg dpkg install debian") migrate your data (from backups) and configure the box to your liking. |
| 15:04.36 | hillix | format_c I am able to create a new user and login normally but |
| 15:04.41 | moof2 | dfrank, you may have other data (that's not in your home dir) you may wish to save, such as databases |
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| 15:05.03 | hillix | if I create a user with the same name as the one that has the issues the issue reappears |
| 15:05.20 | moof2 | if so, you'll want to make dumps soon |
| 15:05.23 | moof2 | or now |
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| 15:06.18 | moof2 | or before you reinstall or try any experiments |
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| 15:06.56 | format_c | hillix, have you own data in the home directory of that user? |
| 15:07.24 | moof2 | as it stands now, you may have grafted a shark to your frankendebian's foot, but it is running, so there might be data you can get and save |
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| 15:08.28 | dfrank | moof2: ok, thanks |
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| 15:09.01 | moof2 | out of curiousity, what was the first thing you wanted from unstable? |
| 15:09.02 | hillix | format_c, are you saying to create a new user and chown the old user home directory? |
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| 15:09.19 | format_c | no. |
| 15:09.24 | hillix | sorry |
| 15:09.29 | format_c | delete all directories in the home directory |
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| 15:09.42 | format_c | all directories and files starting with a . |
| 15:09.49 | format_c | usually those are hidden |
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| 15:10.52 | hillix | format_c, should I backuo the home directory before I do this? I have a lot of projects that I do not want to corrupt. |
| 15:10.58 | format_c | it seeems that some dot-files/directories are fuzzed and if you haven't done too much customization yet, it's easier to just start from scratch. |
| 15:10.59 | hillix | 'backup' |
| 15:11.07 | moof2 | hillix, I would :) |
| 15:11.09 | format_c | sure backup everything. |
| 15:11.18 | hillix | ok |
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| 15:11.26 | format_c | and you only need to remove the dot-files and dot-directories |
| 15:11.38 | format_c | your normal once can stay |
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| 15:18.18 | dfrank | moof2: to be honest, I don't need anything from unstable. I'm not the only one who admins on that server, and I don't know who included unstable in sources.list. But now, I installed some package, apt-get wanted to upgrade some other packages (including apache 2.4), I agreed, and, boooom |
| 15:18.37 | hillix | format_c, so the command will be like "sudo rm -r ~/.*"? |
| 15:19.24 | format_c | wait, that's a bit tricky |
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| 15:20.57 | format_c | I recommend `find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name '.*' -print0 | xargs -0 rm -R` |
| 15:20.58 | format_c | But |
| 15:21.09 | format_c | make sure you also backed up those files and directories |
| 15:21.40 | hillix | I am in the process as of now; might be a few minutes ;) |
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| 15:22.17 | format_c | mhh |
| 15:22.47 | format_c | I'm a bit afraid '.?*' would have been better than ' |
| 15:22.50 | format_c | .*' |
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| 15:24.24 | hillix | ok, I'll be sure to add that to the previous command |
| 15:26.15 | lasers | Hi. I'm trying to source/build unstable package xmonad-0.11 but I kept getting xmonad-0.10-4. I do have deb-src sid line in my apt file. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:26.55 | format_c | hillix, did the first one ran already through? |
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| 15:29.09 | hillix | format_c, the backup is still running so I have not had a chance to run the command |
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| 15:29.48 | format_c | ah ok |
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| 15:30.22 | format_c | the issue with .* is that * means any or no char which includes . which is the current directory .... . |
| 15:30.34 | format_c | deleting it would have beeen a fail |
| 15:30.44 | hillix | I have a lot of data in that directory :) |
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| 15:31.14 | hillix | ah |
| 15:31.34 | nkuttler | lasers: try apt-get -t sid source xmonad |
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| 15:31.43 | format_c | you can also use a file manager like nautilus or thunar |
| 15:31.43 | hillix | so it is a *good* thing the backup is still running :) |
| 15:31.51 | format_c | they also can make the hidden files visible |
| 15:32.10 | format_c | then you have the manual control of what you're deleting |
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| 15:34.23 | lasers | nkuttler: E: Ignore unavailable target release 'sid' of package 'xmonad' / E: Unable to find a source package for (that's it) |
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| 15:36.21 | nebular | So I used the sgfxi script to get the nvidia binaries working. It got as far as blacklisting nouveau and asked me to restart. I did and I lost all text mode. After initramfs decompresses the screen goes blank and stays that way until X starts up. |
| 15:36.35 | nebular | I'm not sure what happened to lose text mode. any ideas? |
| 15:36.47 | mumpitze1 | you used sgfxi |
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| 15:38.05 | mumpitze1 | lasers: use "unstable" in your sources.list instead of sid |
| 15:38.20 | dvs | ??? That doesnt really matter |
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| 15:40.27 | Roxxor | Hello! How can I make my current iptables settings permanent(Wheezy)? (Without iptables-persistent) |
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| 15:41.08 | nkuttler | Roxxor: what's wrong with iptables-persistent? |
| 15:41.14 | dvs | Roxxor: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 15:43.30 | Roxxor | nkuttler: install gives me: insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service iptables-persistent. Im on raspberry Pi and want to keep it slim |
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| 15:43.52 | nkuttler | raspbian? |
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| 15:44.21 | Roxxor | raspbmc, which is based on raspbian I guess |
| 15:44.37 | nkuttler | !raspbmc |
| 15:44.38 | dpkg | Raspbmc is a Linux distribution enabling the <Raspberry Pi> to operate as an <XBMC> front-end. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.raspbmc.com/ #raspbmc on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:45.15 | Roxxor | Upsa.. Sorry! |
| 15:45.24 | Roxxor | Thank you :) |
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| 15:55.51 | Monotoko | just noticed something odd in the log files on my server... one of Google's IP's was attempting to access our server through FTP: Jul 1 06:32:05 authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ftp ruser=anonymous rhost=66.249.73.52 |
| 15:56.26 | Monotoko | is this something Google do... or is it a problem I'm not seeing somewhere? |
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| 15:57.13 | DammitJim | Ok, did some testing on another machine and if I disconnect a monitor that was working and connect it again, it doesn't output a signal to that display |
| 15:57.26 | DammitJim | is there a way to avoid this auto detection of monitor disconnection? |
| 15:57.31 | DammitJim | intel graphics card here |
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| 16:04.19 | HelenaKitty | Hello, I want to copy a whole directory over to my server with ftp. I've tried "put -Ppr /home/s98259/.weechat/* /home/s98259/.weechat" and "put -Ppr /home/s98259/.weechat/ /home/s98259/" but to no success. It says it can't canonicalise the path due to no such directory which I already know where is no directiory, I want the put command to create it! |
| 16:05.05 | grothendieck | HelenaKitty: why not use rsync? |
| 16:05.21 | mumpitze1 | and which ftp client is this? |
| 16:05.24 | HelenaKitty | grothendieck: Because sftp is my choice of software. |
| 16:05.35 | HelenaKitty | this is the standard sftp client that comes with debian. |
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| 16:06.14 | grothendieck | HelenaKitty: fair enough, you can use the 'mkdir' command in sftp to create the directory before you put |
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| 16:06.45 | HelenaKitty | grothendieck: I am aware of that but weechat has a big dir tree, I can't create that whole dir tree manually with the mkdir command! |
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| 16:07.03 | grothendieck | oh, alright |
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| 16:07.32 | grothendieck | I would just tar the directory on local machine, then put tarball on remote machine and extract it there |
| 16:07.33 | mumpitze1 | then use a better sftp client |
| 16:07.36 | HelenaKitty | I thought about that but then I looked at .weechat dir and thought "no". |
| 16:07.50 | HelenaKitty | Why didn't I think of a archive?! |
| 16:07.53 | HelenaKitty | slaps herself |
| 16:08.00 | HelenaKitty | thnx :3 |
| 16:08.02 | grothendieck | tar -czvf ~/weechat.tar.gz ~/.weechat |
| 16:08.03 | grothendieck | np |
| 16:09.46 | HelenaKitty | grothendieck: Is the -z really needed though? |
| 16:09.59 | HelenaKitty | a .tar will work fine, no? |
| 16:09.59 | grothendieck | if you want it to be compressed with gzip |
| 16:10.04 | mumpitze1 | if you want your tar files small, then yes |
| 16:10.05 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 16:10.14 | HelenaKitty | aaaah good point! |
| 16:10.27 | grothendieck | use less bandwidth, faster transfer since the archive is smaller, etc |
| 16:10.35 | HelenaKitty | aaah |
| 16:11.23 | HelenaKitty | I'm finally getting the support I need without being made fun out of, thank you! |
| 16:12.14 | grothendieck | tar -czvf ~/weechat.tar.gz ~/.weechat ; scp ~/weechat.tar.gz $USER@$REMOTE:/home/weechat.tar.gz |
| 16:12.38 | grothendieck | HelenaKitty: no problem |
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| 16:13.24 | HelenaKitty | Wow where the heck that file extract to? :( |
| 16:13.40 | HelenaKitty | I swear -xf was correct |
| 16:13.56 | grothendieck | no, you need to -xzvf |
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| 16:14.15 | HelenaKitty | aaaah okies |
| 16:14.22 | grothendieck | -xf is correct for a .tar, -xzf is correct for .tar.gz, -xjf is correct for .tar.bz2 |
| 16:15.09 | HelenaKitty | Wow thnx! |
| 16:15.10 | grothendieck | -z tells tar to pipe conents of the archive through gzip for decompression before writing it out |
| 16:15.12 | hillix | format_c, I ran the command and it looks like it completed successfully, i.e. no errors |
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| 16:16.06 | b-tag | guys how i can upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 16:16.07 | grothendieck | HelenaKitty: I usually give the -v flag also so it tells me exactly what files are being archived/extracted |
| 16:16.56 | grothendieck | b-tag: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:17.22 | b-tag | oh so simple? thanks, grothendieck :) |
| 16:17.22 | grothendieck | YMMV though, upgrading with dist-upgrade is documented extensively |
| 16:17.45 | grothendieck | b-tag: you will also have to make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is configured appropriately |
| 16:18.00 | tensorpudding | While you're still able to undo the muscle memory, you should learn about the -a flag |
| 16:18.07 | grothendieck | for me it worked to just sed -e 's/squeeze/wheezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:18.37 | tensorpudding | which will compress/extract automatically choosing the right program based on the suffix |
| 16:18.57 | b-tag | grothendieck: so i should update the sources list before issuing the apt-get stuff? |
| 16:18.59 | grothendieck | tensorpudding: yes that is a good point, always forget about that one |
| 16:19.07 | grothendieck | b-tag: hang on a second |
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| 16:19.48 | grothendieck | b-tag: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
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| 16:20.45 | b-tag | thanks, grothendieck :) |
| 16:20.52 | grothendieck | no problem |
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| 16:21.29 | grothendieck | b-tag: "4.4.3. Make sure you have sufficient space for the upgrade" -- the importance of reading this section cannot be understated ;) |
| 16:21.45 | b-tag | yes i get it :) |
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| 16:24.37 | anonnumberanon | what's a good disk utility? |
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| 16:25.54 | Taiiwo | Hey. |
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| 16:26.37 | Taiiwo | I have a quiestion about GPU drivers and kernels if anyone would be willing to listen? |
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| 16:27.27 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, checking dmesg I got this -> http://bpaste.net/show/L8uRsXfyTxfda1Eo9Mck/ |
| 16:27.30 | Ephexeve | ANy idea? Funny that when i woke up chromium was open, so it didnt close.. weird.. |
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| 16:28.23 | Taiiwo | Looks like a bug. Did anything bad happen? |
| 16:29.57 | SM0TVI | joltcan: Re: your tip - yeah, that's what I did (tho with the localndg addy of the box). Thanx. :) |
| 16:30.10 | musca | Taiiwo: 1345 users are waiting for your question |
| 16:30.36 | Taiiwo | Ha, Sorry. I didn't know how active the channel was. |
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| 16:31.25 | hillix | format_c, should I restart and try logging in or is there more to do? |
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| 16:32.14 | Taiiwo | Basically, I have an AMD Radeon 7950. I installed the proprietary drivers, except openGL and direct rendering aren't working. |
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| 16:32.28 | mumpitzel | Taiiwo: how did you install them? |
| 16:32.31 | Taiiwo | My problem closely resembles this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1503968 |
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| 16:34.13 | Taiiwo | This thread recommends I update my kernel, but the thread is about an ubuntu machine. My question: Will upgrading my Kernel to the same version work fine in debian 7? |
| 16:34.32 | mumpitzel | Taiiwo: no. please answer my question from above |
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| 16:34.57 | Taiiwo | I used the installation wizard from the AMD website. |
| 16:35.42 | mumpitzel | !tell Taiiwo about ati |
| 16:35.51 | mumpitzel | we cannot support the ati installer |
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| 16:36.26 | Taiiwo | You as in this channel, or you as in debian? |
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| 16:37.09 | mumpitzel | right now: this channel obviously. but the ati installer is known to do bad things to your debian even if it seems to work |
| 16:37.10 | tensorpudding | Debian can't support AMD's drivers, it is a thing you have to ask AMD about. |
| 16:37.33 | tensorpudding | Does AMD's GPU driver installer even support Debian? |
| 16:37.39 | mumpitzel | we can only support (to a degree) the drivers in the non-free repo. we cannot support random software from amd.com |
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| 16:37.55 | Taiiwo | Yea, It's working okay while I'm not running 3D apps. |
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| 16:38.13 | tensorpudding | If you tried installing the driver for Ubuntu in Debian, that might well be the issue that started everything. |
| 16:38.19 | Taiiwo | Do you support the free drivers? |
| 16:38.21 | mumpitzel | yes, interference with mesa is one typical problem |
| 16:38.38 | mumpitzel | we support radeon and fglrx when installed from debian repos |
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| 16:38.49 | Taiiwo | I didn't I just used the installer from their website that said 'Linux' |
| 16:39.00 | mumpitzel | but: good luck getting the broken fglrx removed from your system |
| 16:39.01 | Taiiwo | Ahh. |
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| 16:39.21 | Taiiwo | How would I go about uninstalling this? |
| 16:39.29 | Taiiwo | In order to reinstall correctly? |
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| 16:39.39 | mumpitzel | we have no clue how. again: ask #ati for that |
| 16:39.40 | tensorpudding | The installer might have an un-installer. |
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| 16:40.08 | tensorpudding | Worst comes to worst, you could look at what the installer does and try to undo it by hand. |
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| 16:40.50 | Taiiwo | I wish I could. Stupid proprietary software. |
| 16:41.03 | Taiiwo | Thanks alot. I'll ask #ati. |
| 16:41.34 | tensorpudding | Even if the software is proprietary, if it's Linux the installer might not be...lots of Linux installers are just shell scripts you can readily inspect |
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| 16:44.45 | avalarion | Does someone know if it is possible to create an lxc in an lxc? |
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| 16:47.30 | th0r | avalarion, would that qualify as redundant, repetitive, or recursive? |
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| 16:50.15 | avalarion | where do you see a difference between all those words?^^ But yes it is more or less repetitive and recursive. I've got an virtualised server and would like to create sub systems with chef cookbooks. |
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| 16:55.07 | avalarion | th0r, I've found out, that my parent system is parallels virtuozzo so it is lxc in a virtuozzo virtualised debian now^^. Do you think, that this would be possible? |
| 16:56.05 | th0r | avalarion, I know of nothing that would prevent it, although my experiments trying a vm inside a vm were very disappointing. It worked, if I had a week to wait for anything to happen <smile>. |
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| 16:56.55 | avalarion | But lxc is no real virtualization, isn't it? |
| 16:57.17 | [nas]peter | I get: ALERT! /dev/mapper/xxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 16:57.31 | [nas]peter | I tried vgchange -a y, but that tells me: No volume groups found |
| 16:57.32 | deanrock0 | hi, if i want to create DNS server should i stick with BIND9 or go for BIND10? |
| 16:57.42 | peterS | "real virtualization" - almost sounds like an oxymoron |
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| 16:59.36 | peterS | [nas]peter: the usual next step is 'cat /proc/partitions' and see if all your disks show up. The disks with the volume group(s) on them, I mean |
| 17:00.17 | peterS | deanrock0: I don't think there's a bind10 in debian. (I hadn't heard of one at all.) even if there exists one somewhere, bind9 is fine and well-supported everywhere |
| 17:00.42 | th0r | avalarion, well, the app is talking to a virtualization layer, which in your case would talk to a virtualization layer, which would talk to the os. The point being, for each layer of 'lxc' or 'virtualization' there is an additional operating load, so the system performance degrades |
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| 17:01.40 | [nas]peter | hmm not all partitions show up |
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| 17:01.58 | [nas]peter | I'm missind the sda5 partition |
| 17:02.05 | [nas]peter | missing |
| 17:02.10 | peterS | oh so all the disks show up but not all the partitions? |
| 17:02.40 | avalarion | th0r, to be honest I am not true if lxc is realy speaking to a virtualized layer or more to a proxy access layer... |
| 17:02.44 | [nas]peter | There is only 1 disk |
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| 17:10.10 | [nas]peter | I get: ALERT! /dev/mapper/xxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell! I tried 'vgchange -a y', that said there are no volume groups available. I checked /proc/partitions, sda5 seems to be missing. I used the windows installer to install it, after I booted into Debian I turned LVM encrypted disk on, and got that done. |
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| 17:20.48 | xoz | how to translate multiple spaces to one tab? |
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| 17:21.12 | [nas]peter | xoz, in what? like in gedit or vi? |
| 17:21.30 | xoz | bash using sed/tr would be ok |
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| 17:24.07 | xoz | ok, got it in google. thanks |
| 17:24.16 | xoz | sed 's/ \+ /\t/g' inputfile > outputfile |
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| 17:28.42 | savid | Where can I search for .deb packages for older versions (eg, for lenny)? |
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| 17:29.16 | lgsmTUX | hi all, anyone knows how to startup XDMCP instead of GDM on Debian 6 client machine ? |
| 17:30.03 | jmd | /etc/init.d/xdm start |
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| 17:31.09 | mtn | savid: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 17:31.49 | savid | Ah, thanks. |
| 17:33.19 | lgsmTUX | :jdm xdm/kdm is like gdm ! i´d like to run X -query xdmcp_server on startup |
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| 17:34.28 | lgsmTUX | its too easy on /etc/inittab on Mandriva, but Debian... |
| 17:34.40 | DammitJim | what normally happens when a monitor is disconnected? |
| 17:34.48 | DammitJim | like internally.. what does debian do? |
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| 17:36.09 | peterrooney | flash has stopped working on epiphany-browser (3.4.2, wheezy). Only a plugin icon shows. |
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| 17:36.30 | anonnumberanon | cries internally |
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| 17:38.05 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to control a wheezy machine remotely but instead of controlling the entire machine;i want to control a single workspace. in workspace 1, the local user controls that workspace and the remote user controls workspace 2. is there any way to accomplish this? |
| 17:39.27 | zaltekk | virtual workspace? that's not how they work |
| 17:39.34 | zaltekk | you can run a different X session |
| 17:39.40 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: not as you describe, you use the phrase workspace, however if you have a local user and you secure them and another remote user and enough bandwidth you could ssh -X username@machine ProgramNameGoesHere |
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| 17:40.03 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: needs openssh-server installed |
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| 17:40.31 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: also asking on two servers Bad Form |
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| 17:56.36 | jhillis | Hello, I have been using debian wheezy for awhile now with no major issues. But today I had to do a hard restart and when I logged in my |
| 17:57.25 | jhillis | desktop environment was empty, i.e. only the debian background is visible but no menus, etc. |
| 17:58.35 | format_c | jhillis, have you been around here today with the same question but another nick? |
| 17:58.44 | jhillis | I can only ctl+alt+F1 and use text mode. I tried reinstalling gnome but no dice |
| 17:58.56 | jhillis | hey there you are |
| 17:59.00 | jhillis | yep |
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| 17:59.50 | jhillis | format_c, sorry for the long time delay. I ran into some issues |
| 18:00.10 | jhillis | I am not sure if you sa my post a couple of hours ago |
| 18:00.51 | jhillis | but I was able to run the command you posted and then I restarted but still no luck :( |
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| 18:02.08 | format_c | thats strange |
| 18:02.19 | format_c | but with a clean user directory it works.... |
| 18:02.22 | zaltekk | no errors from fsck? |
| 18:02.37 | format_c | that would be my next question too |
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| 18:03.02 | DammitJim | what event fires when one connects a monitor via HDMI/DP? |
| 18:03.03 | zaltekk | sounds like corrupted dotfiles |
| 18:03.17 | jhillis | how would I check 'fsck'? |
| 18:03.25 | zaltekk | DammitJim: maybe something from dbus? |
| 18:03.41 | DammitJim | what tool would I use to see what dbus is doing? |
| 18:03.48 | DammitJim | gosh, this is so frustrating not have that visibility |
| 18:04.27 | gturner | is there a convenient way to restart gnome-shell when it starts behaving funny? |
| 18:04.30 | zaltekk | i don't know. never touched dbus |
| 18:04.37 | jhillis | when I run "sudo fsck" it returns "/dev/sda1 mounted" |
| 18:05.41 | jhillis | I erased all of the dot files earlier and restarted but still no luck |
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| 18:05.48 | DammitJim | thanks, though |
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| 18:07.16 | jhillis | I should clarify, I erased all of the dotfiles in my home directory |
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| 18:07.27 | jhillis | at least I think it did |
| 18:07.29 | mumpitzel | jhillis: why would you do that? |
| 18:07.51 | mumpitzel | jhillis: have you created a new user and tried to login with it? |
| 18:08.06 | jhillis | mupitzel, that was the direction I was given earlier |
| 18:08.27 | jhillis | I am able to create a nwe user and login normally... |
| 18:08.34 | jhillis | 'new' |
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| 18:09.23 | jhillis | but if I create a user with the same name as the one giving the issues the issue reappears |
| 18:10.22 | DammitJim | udev |
| 18:10.30 | GNU\colossus | how can I get my webcam to work in Wheezy with gajim? |
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| 18:10.49 | jhillis | before I deleted the dotfiles I made a backup of the home directory |
| 18:11.03 | GNU\colossus | when I click the button, I get "Error: Could not open resource for writing. Debug: dfbvideosink.c(1437): gst_dfbvideosink_change_state (): /GstDfbVideoSink:autovideosink6-actual-sink-dfbvideo: |
| 18:11.07 | GNU\colossus | Failed initializing DirectFB system" |
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| 18:11.58 | jhillis | is there a way to create a new user and then migrate another user's home directory into the new one? |
| 18:12.41 | Pryon | cp -a + chown -R? |
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| 18:23.46 | JCphobia | anyone knows the most recent GNU /linux Ver? |
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| 18:24.42 | dvs | 3.10? |
| 18:24.48 | zykotick9 | JCphobia: ahhh, your question doesn't really make sense. do you mean linux the kernel? i believe 3.10 was just released (probably hasn't made it to debian yet, but maybe?) |
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| 18:29.12 | JCphobia | well thanxs for the answer... i should it up |
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| 18:30.25 | b0fh_ua | Hello! I am facing some problems with UDP on host, for example "nc -u -l -p 12345" reports: Can't grab 0.0.0.0:12345 with bind |
| 18:30.30 | b0fh_ua | what may be a problem there? |
| 18:31.20 | b0fh_ua | debian squeze 60 |
| 18:32.05 | koeppea_ | b0fh_ua, add -v to make nc more chatty |
| 18:34.08 | [nas]peter | I get: ALERT! /dev/mapper/xxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell! I tried 'vgchange -a y', that said there are no volume groups available. I checked /proc/partitions, sda5 seems to be missing. I used the windows installer to install it, after I booted into Debian I turned LVM encrypted disk on, and got that done. |
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| 18:37.25 | jhillis | format_c: I was wrong in saying that I was able to create a new user and the desktop returns. I just tried and the same problem occurs |
| 18:37.54 | jhillis | with a new user using 'adduser' |
| 18:38.11 | tdn | abrotman, all identical drives, yes. |
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| 18:39.06 | tdn | jelly, yes, same physical devices, however, I would probably put 3 partitions on each of the 4 disks and thus end up having 3 md raid devices: boot, root, data (luks/dm-crypt) |
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| 18:39.25 | jhillis | so I gues that means whatever the issues is it impacts all user's |
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| 18:40.32 | petn-randall | [nas]peter: What is your partition layout? |
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| 18:41.47 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 18:41.49 | vaillor | Creating user for the Guest Additions. |
| 18:41.49 | vaillor | Creating udev rule for the Guest Additions kernel module. |
| 18:42.07 | vaillor | /tmp/vbox.0/Makefile.include.header:97: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 18:42.15 | vaillor | how to solve this problem? |
| 18:42.38 | petn-randall | vaillor: What kernel are you running? |
| 18:42.54 | vaillor | 3.2.0-4-486 |
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| 18:43.39 | petn-randall | vaillor: And you're installing the guest additions of what? Virtualbox? |
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| 18:44.30 | vaillor | petn-randall, yes |
| 18:44.48 | abrotman | tdn: hi? |
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| 18:45.27 | petn-randall | vaillor: I see. Do you have the linux-headers package for 3.2.0 installed? |
| 18:45.33 | TJ- | Is there a specific channel/mailing-list where the Project Kronos (Xen XAPI on Debian) packaging folks hang out? |
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| 18:51.31 | vaillor | petn-randall, how to know it? |
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| 18:53.13 | petn-randall | vaillor: The package is called linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486, you can install it with 'apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486'. |
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| 18:53.34 | petn-randall | vaillor: To find out if a package is installed, you can use 'dpkg -l <package>' |
| 18:53.50 | vaillor | petn-randall, is installing |
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| 18:56.51 | carbohydrate | hi you bunch of cocksucking retards |
| 18:57.06 | petn-randall | !ops carbohydrate |
| 18:57.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petn-randall complains about: carbohydrate |
| 18:57.15 | carbohydrate | haha |
| 18:57.20 | carbohydrate | fuck you |
| 18:57.26 | carbohydrate | i hope you die of cancer |
| 18:57.40 | carbohydrate | all of you |
| 18:57.41 | growl | hi thingy that hides often in a loaf of bread or pasta, and helps our digestive system |
| 18:57.43 | carbohydrate | !ops |
| 18:57.43 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 19:00.30 | HelenaKitty | Is it safe to remove dbus? I am aware that that's what reports system events to the console but is that all it does? |
| 19:00.35 | da78 | Hello together, |
| 19:00.49 | HelenaKitty | I normally read /var/log for system events. |
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| 19:01.21 | growl | looks at verysoftoiletppr, with a scared face |
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| 19:01.50 | growl | someone wants to eat our shit... ew toiletsex >:( |
| 19:01.57 | growl | throws up |
| 19:02.18 | peterS | growl: did you have anything Debian-related to ask or discuss? |
| 19:02.29 | da78 | I'm looking for a hint for Grub4Dos. |
| 19:02.31 | peterS | 'cause that's kinda what this channel is actually _for_ |
| 19:02.35 | petn-randall | vaillor: Did it work? |
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| 19:02.56 | vaillor | no |
| 19:02.56 | growl | no, i'm just hanging around cause i might learn something here. |
| 19:03.21 | HelenaKitty | Guys? |
| 19:03.30 | peterS | mostly, yes |
| 19:03.34 | vaillor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.35 | vaillor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.35 | vaillor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.06 | peterS | I mean, mostly we are guys. I don't mean mostly it is safe to remove dbus. That all depends on what else you are running on your system that might use dbus. |
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| 19:05.00 | dondelelcaro | HelenaKitty: in general, if something depends on dbus, then you probably want it installed |
| 19:05.01 | HelenaKitty | :( |
| 19:05.09 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 19:05.37 | HelenaKitty | dondelelcaro: It's just that if something doesn't depend on it then I want it removed. |
| 19:06.07 | nebular | So I used the sgfxi script to get the nvidia binaries working. It got as far as blacklisting nouveau and asked me to restart. I did and I lost all text mode. After initramfs decompresses the screen goes blank and stays that way until X starts up. |
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| 19:06.56 | jhillis | mumpitzel: I was wrong about being able to create a new user and the probelm goes away. I just created a new user and after logging in the desktop was empty |
| 19:07.24 | musca | nebular: Did you ask in #smxi on oftc.net? |
| 19:07.48 | mtn | nebular: and lmde questions belong in linuxmint channels |
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| 19:09.01 | HelenaKitty | Wow epic! :D |
| 19:09.04 | nebular | mtn: sorry forgot to add that I"m tracking testing. And I've asked in linuxmint channels as well. |
| 19:09.10 | HelenaKitty | There is a Trolltech.conf file :D |
| 19:09.45 | nebular | musca: I have not tried #smxi, was unaware it existed |
| 19:09.51 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, did you figure things out from the other day? I think you were working on wireless and dhcp |
| 19:10.17 | mtn | nebular: since you aren't using debian, it is best not to ask here. |
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| 19:11.47 | HelenaKitty | moof2: It appears my system was missing wpasupplicant, it got removed along with another package. |
| 19:12.03 | DammitJim | why don't I have a drm directory? |
| 19:12.14 | DammitJim | is there a special package that I need to install to see it in /sys/class? |
| 19:12.23 | DammitJim | I have it in my other laptops but not this new one |
| 19:14.34 | HelenaKitty | Why does console-kit have soo many processes? |
| 19:15.07 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, so the problem was actually you couldn't connect to the ap |
| 19:15.20 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Yes. |
| 19:15.39 | HelenaKitty | but I knew it wasn't driver issues like people were saying. |
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| 19:15.53 | HelenaKitty | I know the bugs my driver has. |
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| 19:16.09 | HelenaKitty | and the bug only interferes with loclahost. |
| 19:16.24 | moof2 | that was clear as you had wlan0 and the firmware was loaded |
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| 19:16.45 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Nope, it's not clear. |
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| 19:17.02 | HelenaKitty | Buggy drivers can appear to work fine. |
| 19:17.09 | venom21 | Hi guys! Question, I installed Apache2, MySQL, and the other things that are necessary. I use Netbeans for develop my PHP scripts... but, if the files are in the var/www directory, and I open them with Netbeans, cannot modify them directly from Netbeans. What can I do? It is a permission problem of the /var/www directory? |
| 19:17.38 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Are you editting as root? |
| 19:17.57 | venom21 | Yes, one guy helps me... |
| 19:18.02 | HelenaKitty | /var/ww is owned by www.data user. |
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| 19:18.12 | venom21 | yes |
| 19:18.22 | HelenaKitty | I mean www-data |
| 19:18.32 | HelenaKitty | venom21: and you're running netbeans as root? |
| 19:18.35 | venom21 | yes... that is the user... |
| 19:18.40 | venom21 | emm,,, |
| 19:18.46 | venom21 | give me a second.. |
| 19:19.07 | HelenaKitty | okies |
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| 19:20.06 | moof2 | HelenaKitty, in any case, when you installed wpasupplicant, did things start working when you tried to authenticate again? |
| 19:20.22 | venom21 | how can I do, for every time that I open Netbeans, run as root? |
| 19:20.35 | venom21 | (sorry for my english dude) |
| 19:20.44 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Yes, I am on the wifi now. :3 |
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| 19:21.04 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Providing netbeans doesn't connect to the internet in any way, yes. |
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| 19:21.11 | moof2 | very good :) that's all I wanted to make sure of |
| 19:21.21 | HelenaKitty | a better solution would be to run it as www-data |
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| 19:21.41 | HelenaKitty | it can be dangerous using root. |
| 19:22.04 | HelenaKitty | moof2: Thnx for your concern! That's what I expect from good support! :D |
| 19:22.04 | DammitJim | is it normal not to have drm when using nvidia drivers? |
| 19:22.20 | venom21 | how edit that stats... means run it as www-data? |
| 19:22.20 | HelenaKitty | He's dead, jim. |
| 19:22.30 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Yes. |
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| 19:22.55 | moof2 | I'm a dr pepper, not a rootbeer! |
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| 19:23.06 | venom21 | yes but, how can I do... Iam noob in Debian |
| 19:23.07 | HelenaKitty | moof2: :D |
| 19:23.19 | HelenaKitty | moof2: I remember that episode |
| 19:23.23 | HelenaKitty | I'm a dr, not a bricklayer |
| 19:23.25 | HelenaKitty | haha! |
| 19:23.38 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Don't worry! |
| 19:23.53 | HelenaKitty | linux is for advanced users, I expect you to NOT know everything! |
| 19:24.10 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Open up a terminal |
| 19:24.32 | HelenaKitty | then su www-data && netbeans |
| 19:24.48 | venom21 | yes |
| 19:25.07 | HelenaKitty | www-data may have a password set. |
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| 19:25.58 | HelenaKitty | or it may ask you for a password despite them not being one. |
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| 19:26.33 | HelenaKitty | I know linux login doesn't like blank password entries. |
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| 19:27.16 | venom21 | yes, www-data is the Apache default user, right? |
| 19:27.32 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Correct. |
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| 19:27.50 | HelenaKitty | It's not the default for apache but for most web servers. |
| 19:28.06 | HelenaKitty | apache is on the list tho |
| 19:28.42 | venom21 | ajam, i thing that user does not have a pass |
| 19:29.02 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Tried su www-data? What was the output? |
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| 19:31.23 | venom21 | I don't know the pass of www-data ;( |
| 19:31.27 | venom21 | :( |
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| 19:32.10 | venom21 | I tried su www-data with Root pass and my user pass... |
| 19:32.14 | HelenaKitty | venom21: 1min... |
| 19:32.23 | HelenaKitty | er... |
| 19:32.38 | HelenaKitty | venom21: Do you have sudo installed? |
| 19:32.46 | HelenaKitty | if not then su root |
| 19:32.56 | HelenaKitty | do you know the root password? |
| 19:33.19 | venom21 | of course |
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| 19:33.41 | venom21 | su root works.. |
| 19:33.47 | HelenaKitty | good now... |
| 19:33.55 | HelenaKitty | passwd www-data |
| 19:34.01 | HelenaKitty | and set a custom password |
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| 19:34.35 | HelenaKitty | I also suggest you restart the apache daemon to ensure it can still start as user www-data |
| 19:36.13 | Koma | Argh www-root with a password? |
| 19:36.22 | Koma | www-data |
| 19:36.33 | Koma | absolutely nologin and **** as password |
| 19:36.57 | Koma | if there is a stupid exploit in apache it would end in a shell on your server dman |
| 19:36.59 | HelenaKitty | wait... |
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| 19:37.20 | HelenaKitty | Koma has an excellient point which I forgot about |
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| 19:38.05 | HelenaKitty | also... |
| 19:38.22 | Koma | HelenaKitty: what do you need to do? |
| 19:38.28 | HelenaKitty | thnx for the reminder that www-data uses nologin which is a null shell. |
| 19:38.43 | HelenaKitty | Koma: I need to do nothing and was helping DammitJim out. |
| 19:38.46 | HelenaKitty | or was it venom21? |
| 19:39.02 | Koma | DammitJim: what's the problem? |
| 19:39.13 | Koma | venom21: ^ |
| 19:39.35 | venom21 | The problem is : |
| 19:39.49 | klong- | how do you guys do central user management? It's funny I've been mostly a Linux user for 15 years but I've had to use Active Directory in a number of jobs and find myself wanting a good tool to manage users like this. Is command-line configuration of OpenLDAP the best option? |
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| 19:40.40 | Koma | klong-: puppet |
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| 19:40.53 | Koma | and openldap |
| 19:40.59 | klong- | Koma: been looking into that as well. |
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| 19:41.04 | DammitJim | Koma, me? or venom21 ? |
| 19:41.11 | HelenaKitty | --purge remove <3 |
| 19:41.25 | HelenaKitty | DammitJim: He meant Koma |
| 19:41.29 | HelenaKitty | it was my fault sorry |
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| 19:42.29 | Koma | a lady should never apologize. |
| 19:43.10 | HelenaKitty | I was brought up to apologize for my mistakes. |
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| 19:44.31 | Koma | That's someone that had grown a pair |
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| 19:45.38 | venom21 | Koma, the problem is, I open my php files with Netbeans, that files are located in the /var/www directory, then, netbeans don't let me edit that script... |
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| 19:46.43 | Koma | mhh with what user do you log in? |
| 19:46.51 | Koma | and how are these file chowned? |
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| 19:49.35 | venom21 | the files chowned as www-data |
| 19:49.40 | venom21 | user and group |
| 19:49.51 | venom21 | for /var/www |
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| 19:50.09 | Koma | and with what user do you run netbean? |
| 19:50.41 | Koma | your? |
| 19:50.55 | Koma | is yes just add your user to the www-data group |
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| 19:51.18 | HelenaKitty | o.o |
| 19:51.23 | Koma | and set the modes +w for the group |
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| 19:51.59 | Koma | for example rwxrw---- |
| 19:52.27 | venom21 | wait |
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| 19:54.59 | venom21 | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 jun 22 06:32 var |
| 19:55.01 | venom21 | drwxr-xr-x 5 www-data www-data 4096 jun 25 04:06 www |
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| 19:56.17 | Koma | you need to put it in 760 |
| 19:56.26 | Koma | and put your user in www-data |
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| 19:56.57 | venom21 | I follow you |
| 19:57.10 | venom21 | drive me... |
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| 19:58.04 | venom21 | sudo chmod 760 /var/www ? |
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| 19:58.27 | Koma | what is your username? |
| 19:58.52 | venom21 | lucas |
| 19:58.56 | Koma | useradd -G www-data lucas |
| 19:59.22 | venom21 | the user is already exists |
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| 19:59.52 | Koma | usermod -a -G www-data lucas |
| 19:59.54 | Koma | sorry |
| 19:59.58 | Koma | and then |
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| 20:00.20 | Koma | chmod -R 764 /var/www/* |
| 20:00.34 | wo0f2 | is 32bit better for a virtual server running with less than 4gb ram? |
| 20:00.41 | venom21 | include the * in the path? |
| 20:00.51 | HelenaKitty | Wow I didn't realise how cluttered my system was! :o |
| 20:00.52 | Koma | wof use 64bit |
| 20:00.54 | Koma | always |
| 20:01.04 | Koma | wo0f2 |
| 20:01.13 | Koma | 32bit is a nonsense today |
| 20:01.18 | Koma | it has to die |
| 20:01.20 | venom21 | chmod -R 764 /var/www/* with the * included? |
| 20:01.24 | Koma | yep |
| 20:01.26 | HelenaKitty | I have 32bit Koma |
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| 20:02.11 | venom21 | now I must restarts apache? |
| 20:02.14 | Koma | HelenaKitty: your system is either very old or underused |
| 20:02.19 | Koma | venom21: nope |
| 20:02.36 | Koma | you should be able to edit files with your user and your editors |
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| 20:04.59 | Koma | HelenaKitty: it's like my car has 4 cilinder, better using 3 maybe tomorrow I'll need more power and I will dismount the entire engine to use it. |
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| 20:05.37 | catsup | how can i unblank the linux console from ssh? |
| 20:05.53 | catsup | (i can start X and kill it, but that's a shitty solution) |
| 20:06.13 | Koma | what did you mean for unblank? |
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| 20:06.46 | DammitJim | how bad is it if I want to poll my system every second to see if a new monitor has been plugged in? |
| 20:06.54 | Koma | wake from sleep? |
| 20:07.11 | catsup | there's a linux console feature called consoleblank, it turns off the screen after a while |
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| 20:07.23 | MaddinXx_ | hi there. are there any user-level tools for Debian that somehow emulate/have the same functionality as CloudLinux's cagefs? (see here: http://docs.cloudlinux.com/cagefs.html)? Is chooting the nearest to this (e.g. with Jailkit?) |
| 20:07.41 | catsup | (i also know about vbetool but surely there's a way to make linux do it) |
| 20:08.30 | catsup | oddly, echo 0 > /sys/module/kernel/parameters/consoleblank says permission denied although i'm root |
| 20:09.07 | DammitJim | or how do I get a DRM service? for some reason I don't have /sys/class/drm |
| 20:09.09 | catsup | i guess that's a boot parameter only |
| 20:09.26 | catsup | (anyway i don't want to disable blanking. i just want to turn the monitor on) |
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| 20:10.07 | sundeb_88 | catsup Would you be referencing a drm sas per intel |
| 20:10.23 | HelenaKitty | Ouchies my arse :( |
| 20:10.40 | catsup | sundeb_88: you mean DammitJim right? |
| 20:10.43 | sundeb_88 | or another component manufacturer ? |
| 20:10.50 | Koma | HelenaKitty: language |
| 20:10.57 | HelenaKitty | Koma: Sorry hun |
| 20:11.05 | sundeb_88 | DammitJim: ** |
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| 20:11.10 | Koma | ^_^ |
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| 20:11.54 | catsup | MaddinXx_: there's a lot of stuff like that but you can't do it userlevel (chroot is not even userlevel tho, that's a system call) |
| 20:11.55 | DammitJim | no, like this whole drm where it detects that a monitor has been disconnected for example |
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| 20:13.14 | catsup | http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
| 20:13.35 | sundeb_88 | that isn't digital rights management DammitJim IT DYNAMIC HARDWARE DETECTION I beleive |
| 20:13.59 | DammitJim | ok, how do I get that in my box? |
| 20:14.10 | DammitJim | for some reason this laptop doesn't have it whereas my 3 other ones do |
| 20:14.48 | catsup | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Manager |
| 20:15.24 | catsup | that's the DRM you're talking about |
| 20:15.25 | sundeb_88 | whhopsies my bad catsup , DammitJim |
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| 20:15.43 | MaddinXx_ | catsup: OK. I'm aware of "some" technologies (e.g. I use OpenVZ already, but this seems for a different propose). problem with most solutions I've found is that they limit shell users (e.g. when doing SSH login) but the most wanted would be for PHP. I'm using Jailkit atm for SSH and openbasedir for PHP restriction. but openbasedir is somehow not perfect and I'd prefer a solution like cafefs -> one to |
| 20:15.44 | MaddinXx_ | ol to "jail" everything that runs under a given user id. you have any hints for me what would be the easiest way to do that |
| 20:16.44 | catsup | MaddinXx_: i'm not super well-versed in this stuff, but cgroups might be what you want |
| 20:17.11 | catsup | lets you hide processes and network interfaces and stuff |
| 20:17.15 | catsup | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups |
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| 20:18.26 | catsup | LXC is based on cgroups, so apparently it can do quite a lot, but i think it's configurable so you don't have to virtualize what you don't want. however i'm no expert on cgroups |
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| 20:21.42 | sundeb_88 | MaddinXx_: Are you doing this in a commercial setting or a home/test lab confg? |
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| 20:23.45 | MaddinXx_ | sundeb_88: 50/50 if I can say so. I run some servers to host some web/-development clients but only very few...most stuff on it is from myself |
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| 20:24.26 | moof2 | I'm curious about that too MaddinXx_... specifically, are you thinking about working this solution up using a server that's running and serving people? |
| 20:25.11 | moof2 | if yes... I suggest you don't, and instead, get a different machine, copy the os to it, boot and work the solution up on that machine |
| 20:25.21 | sundeb_88 | MaddinXx_: Thats cool as long as you're not breaking any isp contract stipulations against such activities |
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| 20:26.24 | venom21 | Koma, I can't load a project :( |
| 20:26.27 | MaddinXx_ | moof2: I'd test it on another server first... downtime is expensive :D |
| 20:26.34 | venom21 | Is like, the folders in /var/www can't be readed... |
| 20:27.02 | Koma | venom this machine is for test only? |
| 20:27.08 | Koma | or is a production site? |
| 20:27.20 | venom21 | Test test.... |
| 20:27.21 | MaddinXx_ | sundeb_88: well it's not. I in no way want to limit their resources such as memory/CPU etc. just add an additional layer of security |
| 20:27.48 | Koma | chmod -R 777 /var/www |
| 20:27.50 | Koma | and retry |
| 20:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 20:28.10 | MaddinXx_ | sundeb_88: therefor it seems like cgroup isn't the right choice (as it seems to be a solution to limit those resources) |
| 20:28.10 | venom21 | retry... means starts apache? |
| 20:28.39 | Koma | venom21: sorry you before sayid that you want to open the files in /var/www/ with netbean with your user is that right? |
| 20:29.08 | Koma | apache is a web daemon it reads the files and stream them via tcp/80 |
| 20:29.15 | Koma | netbeans is a web editor |
| 20:29.24 | Koma | now you are supposed to to WHAT? |
| 20:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Koma, surely you mean chmod -R 755 |
| 20:29.56 | Koma | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like is a production test and probably venom has no idea of what security isd |
| 20:29.58 | Koma | is |
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| 20:30.41 | venom21 | men, look... I want to open the files in /var/www/misites/index.php WITH NETBEANS, and I cant modify them from netbeans |
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| 20:31.22 | MaddinXx_ | going off for today. looking further ... one time I'll find the one solution I'm looking for :) thx for your time & have a good one. |
| 20:31.29 | Koma | venom netbeans is on the same machine of apache? |
| 20:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that means removing any that might be accidentally there? |
| 20:31.39 | Koma | or are you tryng to open files via web? |
| 20:31.47 | venom21 | In the same machine... |
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| 20:32.06 | Koma | so if you start netbeans with che permission chmodded as said before? |
| 20:32.12 | Koma | chmod -R 777 /var/www ? |
| 20:32.25 | Koma | it let you open the files? |
| 20:32.53 | venom21 | I tried that a long time ago... but don't works (chmod -R 777 /var/www) |
| 20:33.14 | Koma | so there are two only possibilities |
| 20:33.18 | venom21 | do you want that I try again? |
| 20:33.19 | Koma | you are open the wrong files |
| 20:33.31 | Koma | opening |
| 20:33.36 | Koma | OR |
| 20:33.51 | Koma | you have not set the right permissions |
| 20:34.03 | klong- | has poptop (pptpd) really not been udpated in 6 years? |
| 20:34.18 | Koma | now letting in rwxrwxrwx an entire directory IMHO is enought |
| 20:34.39 | Koma | do this test |
| 20:34.43 | Koma | using a normal editor |
| 20:34.52 | Koma | vi/vim/nano/pico/emacs |
| 20:34.59 | Koma | edit the file with your user |
| 20:35.01 | venom21 | sorry... how? I use nano |
| 20:35.11 | venom21 | I must edit wich path? |
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| 20:36.31 | sundeb_88 | pptp is for dail ou nisn't it? |
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| 20:39.50 | multiHYP | hi |
| 20:40.03 | multiHYP | is lode the gui that is like tablet optimized? |
| 20:40.08 | multiHYP | *lxde |
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| 20:40.28 | multiHYP | xfce is traditional, right? |
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| 20:40.57 | multiHYP | also are tex stuff also in the cd images? |
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| 20:46.40 | petn-randall | multiHYP: AFAIK none of the desktop are tablet optimized, but still usable with one. |
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| 20:47.05 | petn-randall | multiHYP: Yes, the 40+ CDs contain all of the current release. |
| 20:47.38 | petn-randall | multiHYP: Unless you want to install in a nuclear bunker without internet access, use the netinstall image to install your system. |
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| 20:51.39 | xfire | can help me? http://pastebin.com/5qc51tV5 |
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| 20:52.20 | aliver | Does anyone know if Debian is going to start shipping with systemd in future releases ? |
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| 20:53.01 | aliver | Just trying to see if there is any hope for at least one distro to stand up and back away from the madness. |
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| 20:54.10 | protocol | aliver: I believe it's still up for debate. |
| 20:54.28 | aliver | Thank god. |
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| 20:55.48 | aliver | Guess, I'll just wait and see. If Debian doesn't resist, then only Gentoo and a handful of other science experiments will be left with any sanity. I guess I can always just keep using FreeBSD. |
| 20:56.01 | aliver | protocol: appreciate the answer. |
| 20:56.07 | multiHYP | petn-randall: pretty close to bunker |
| 20:56.13 | multiHYP | but what is lxde? |
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| 20:56.18 | protocol | aliver: I think there's no plan on changing it since as of June 10th, they were looking to implement systemd-ui |
| 20:56.21 | multiHYP | screenshots of 7.1 would be nice! |
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| 20:56.41 | protocol | Hrm. I've been debating FreeBSD myself. |
| 20:56.43 | aliver | protocol: good news then. |
| 20:57.03 | protocol | aliver: indeed. :) i'm currently dinking around with -- gasp -- mint. |
| 20:57.11 | multiHYP | getting the 32bit 7.1 cd images + update. |
| 20:57.27 | multiHYP | again, screenshots of 7.1 would be appreciated. |
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| 20:58.03 | aliver | protocol: I'm a BSD bigot so I'm a bad guy to ask. I just see it as a battle between brogrammers wanting Java+XML enabled base-OS's for touch screen phones and tablets and people like me who want to stick with the core Unix principles. |
| 20:58.06 | tehrabbitt | hey, is btrfs stable now? |
| 20:58.16 | tehrabbitt | or am I better off with ext4 / jfs as usual? |
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| 20:58.38 | somiaj | I thought btrfs only gave preformance improvment in rare conditions, so why would you want to use it anyways? |
| 20:58.39 | aliver | GKH vs Unix basically. |
| 20:58.44 | JohnnyL | Where can I get all the Mame roms? |
| 20:58.50 | somiaj | I'd stick with ext4 on linux unless you have a very specific reason for another fs |
| 20:58.58 | tehrabbitt | somiaj: alrighty |
| 20:59.00 | ksuhku | JohnnyL, not here |
| 20:59.34 | protocol | aliver: I found myself never playing with BSD. I've used Linux on and off since 1997 (got back into it hardcore recently again), so I'm testing the waters with a few things and taking in as much as I can, since I know I missed a lot and my brain has pooped out almost everything I did know |
| 20:59.36 | tehrabbitt | somiaj: I've only used XFS / JFS depending on the types of files... usually I've used JFS for just generic fileserver / webserver storage, and XFS if it was a directory storing large DVD-9 ISOs or such |
| 20:59.43 | aliver | protocol: my girl runs mint. She digs it. IIRC it's debian based. |
| 20:59.43 | tehrabbitt | aka 5-8GB per file |
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| 20:59.55 | tehrabbitt | aliver: it is debian based |
| 20:59.58 | tehrabbitt | I love mint lol |
| 21:00.04 | tehrabbitt | (for it's GUI) |
| 21:00.08 | protocol | aliver: yep. and they have a debian "branch," if you will |
| 21:00.31 | aliver | nice. |
| 21:00.50 | protocol | i have mint on my laptop. it's spiffy. not bad. have debian wheezy on the desktop at home with kvm running windows (need it for work) |
| 21:01.12 | tehrabbitt | i've been playing with Jessie lately... so far so good |
| 21:01.12 | aliver | Hey man, whatever works for you. Right tool for the job and all that. |
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| 21:01.33 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: ext4 comes fairly close in preformance compared to the gap with ext3. I saw a big review and my opinion is unless you have a very specific reason not worth the hassel. |
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| 21:04.24 | roothorick | is there a way to find installed packages that do not have an associated repository? |
| 21:04.35 | somiaj | roothorick: aptitude search is really good |
| 21:04.48 | somiaj | I think they are called obsolte pacakages, aptitude search ~o |
| 21:04.57 | roothorick | no I mean |
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| 21:05.09 | roothorick | I used checkinstall to install custom-compiled versions of libcurl, libtorrent, rtorrent, and qemu |
| 21:05.16 | somiaj | those are packages you have installed on your system that are not avaialbe in your sources.list |
| 21:05.19 | tehrabbitt | does anyone else here use JFS? I mean i've used it for years, i'm just curious if anyone else does |
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| 21:05.37 | somiaj | oh, in that case you can fine tune the search and search for packages that don't match the right version, that is a bit more complicated |
| 21:05.58 | somiaj | roothorick: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 21:06.16 | somiaj | roothorick: I would have to figure out the exact search pattern, but aptitude search can and will do that |
| 21:06.18 | roothorick | I'm just gonna do the upgrade and see what breaks |
| 21:06.36 | somiaj | roothorick: are you running stable? |
| 21:06.38 | roothorick | all the core/network/routing/SSH/etc I know for sure came from official packages |
| 21:06.44 | tehrabbitt | i guess the other quesiton I should ask, is there any reason NOT to use JFS? |
| 21:06.53 | roothorick | somiaj: 6.0.7 |
| 21:06.56 | somiaj | roothorick: aptitude search !?origin(debian) |
| 21:07.06 | jhutchin1_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.27 | somiaj | oh yea chckinstall doesn't make debs? missed that |
| 21:07.36 | roothorick | actually that's exactly what it does |
| 21:07.36 | jhutchin1_wk | roothorick: The "right" way to do it is to build .deb packages so the system can track them. |
| 21:07.50 | roothorick | it automates the process of making debs out of make install-style source installs |
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| 21:08.10 | roothorick | I'm not 100% sure what it does with the deb though, I assume a simple dpkg -i |
| 21:08.10 | abrotman | judd: info cruft |
| 21:08.11 | judd | Package cruft (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.16; Size: 105.6k; Installed: 1316k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/ |
| 21:08.11 | jhutchin1_wk | roothorick: Ah, then it has advanced considerably from when I became aware of it. |
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| 21:08.54 | roothorick | jhutchin1_wk: its... entire purpose... is to integrate "make install" installation with package managers like rpm, deb, and slackware's thing |
| 21:09.31 | jhutchin1_wk | roothorick: Last I knew it just tracked make install runs so you could back out. |
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| 21:10.15 | roothorick | jhutchin1_wk: it must have been some time... I remember using it on slackware nearly a decade ago and they were already doing the pman integration stuff |
| 21:10.22 | jhutchin1_wk | I guess the question is whether dpkg tracks which repository a package is from. If so, that would be the field. |
| 21:10.24 | roothorick | jhutchin1_wk: it may have been slackware-only though |
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| 21:10.48 | jhutchin1_wk | roothorick: Yeah, and my knowledge would have been from the rpm tree. |
| 21:11.20 | somiaj | no aptitude search compares the installed package/version |
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| 21:11.25 | somiaj | with the one installed from the repo |
| 21:11.31 | somiaj | and you can use that to fine tune your searches |
| 21:11.45 | somiaj | (you can even use versions of releases if you have a complicated search) |
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| 21:30.09 | GunfighterJ | \o/ Finally running on 3.9.0 Kernel, no more 90 C CPU sensor readings |
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| 21:31.46 | brontosaurusrex | GunfighterJ, laptop? |
| 21:31.50 | GunfighterJ | yup |
| 21:32.21 | brontosaurusrex | so is it about better acpi support or ... ? |
| 21:32.37 | GunfighterJ | No, there were some bugs in 3.2.0 that caused massive overheating |
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| 21:33.04 | GunfighterJ | It's a dell laptop with no pwm controls, so I can't control the fan, but at least it's not overheating |
| 21:33.31 | brontosaurusrex | well, my eee runs fine with stock kernel so far |
| 21:33.39 | brontosaurusrex | if 70 is fine |
| 21:34.17 | GunfighterJ | Idle's should be in the 50's on a laptop usually |
| 21:34.31 | GunfighterJ | You can push it lower with cooling pads and what not |
| 21:34.50 | brontosaurusrex | hmm |
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| 21:35.59 | rndnickf393hash | amd sensors are not always calibrated afair |
| 21:36.00 | HelenaKitty | I am looking at the service command and I executed the --status-all operator however idk what the +,- and ? symbols mean and the man page doesn't explain much either. |
| 21:36.21 | jhutchin1_wk | brontosaurusrex: You might look into cpufreq for throttling. |
| 21:36.35 | jhutchin1_wk | brontosaurusrex: Made a big difference on my last Dell lt. |
| 21:37.19 | brontosaurusrex | rndnickf393hash, you mean the readings can be wrong? |
| 21:37.33 | rndnickf393hash | brontosaurusrex: not really wrong just not °C ? |
| 21:38.02 | rndnickf393hash | ~s/?// |
| 21:38.11 | jhutchin1_wk | HelenaKitty: Pretty straightforward: + = running, - = not, ? = unknown (script probably lacks a status option). |
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| 21:38.25 | HelenaKitty | aaah |
| 21:38.35 | brontosaurusrex | rndnickf393hash, that would mean it runs at room temperature = 21.xxx |
| 21:38.40 | brontosaurusrex | not possible |
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| 21:38.56 | HelenaKitty | jhutchin1_wk: Why are there things like urandom in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 21:39.41 | rndnickf393hash | brontosaurusrex: ? |
| 21:39.53 | brontosaurusrex | rndnickf393hash, ? |
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| 21:40.06 | rndnickf393hash | <brontosaurusrex> rndnickf393hash, that would mean it runs at room temperature |
| 21:40.07 | rndnickf393hash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.07 | rndnickf393hash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.17 | jhutchin1_wk | HelenaKitty: That is where service/daemon start scripts live. They are started by symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ folders, rc2.d being the standard defualt. |
| 21:40.29 | brontosaurusrex | well, if 70 is in Fahrenheit |
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| 21:40.54 | HelenaKitty | jhutchin1_wk: I know but why does urandom need to be daemonised? |
| 21:40.55 | rndnickf393hash | brontosaurusrex: no, just not °C / some offset / maybe not even a constant one |
| 21:41.03 | brontosaurusrex | ok, possible |
| 21:41.18 | rndnickf393hash | brontosaurusrex: can't find it atm |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchin1_wk | lm_sensors are not always correctly calibrated, but they translate the raw binary data returned by the drivers into human-readable numbers. They can be adjusted if they're not making sense. |
| 21:42.01 | brontosaurusrex | ill actually compare them to bios readings |
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| 21:42.04 | jhutchin1_wk | I believe the manpage for lm_sensors goes into how to do that. They rely mostly on third-party reports for how to translate the data for a particular chipset. |
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| 21:42.57 | jhutchin1_wk | brontosaurusrex: Some discrepancy would be expected because in BIOS != running OS. |
| 21:43.08 | brontosaurusrex | sure |
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| 21:43.36 | jhutchin1_wk | brontosaurusrex: You should be able to tell C from F at least though. |
| 21:44.04 | jhutchin1_wk | brontosaurusrex: C is pretty standard. |
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| 21:46.28 | d4v1d | is there a good alternative to debian-multimedia.org? |
| 21:46.45 | dvs | debian? |
| 21:47.10 | d4v1d | cant find the package handbrake-cli there.. Google still gives results for debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:47.25 | d4v1d | only in the experimental repo.. I'm on stable |
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| 21:47.37 | dvs | says deb-multimedia.org and runs |
| 21:48.03 | roothorick | holy damn the tex stuff is huge |
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| 21:48.06 | roothorick | why do I need tex again? |
| 21:48.14 | dvs | ,v handbrake-cli |
| 21:48.15 | judd | Package: handbrake-cli on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; experimental: 0.9.8+dfsg2+git0b44ec-2; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo6; jessie-multimedia: 0.9.9-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 0.9.9-dmo2 |
| 21:49.01 | d4v1d | thx |
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| 21:53.31 | Nappz | Ok my server seems completely broken and I need some help to diagnose it. Certain things are running very slowly. It responds fine to pings, I can ssh in fine, no lag when typing commands. But when doing certain things, ie. opening a text file with nano, running top, starting/stopping services, it's very slow and problematic. I have no idea what's going on, but things aren't working right in general. |
| 21:53.58 | d4v1d | disk broken? |
| 21:54.01 | d4v1d | my first guess.. |
| 21:54.18 | Nappz | Any easy way to check into that remotely? |
| 21:54.22 | Nappz | Also, it's running RAID 1 |
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| 21:54.45 | d4v1d | I dunno. lol |
| 21:55.21 | Nappz | I might just end up giving tech support a call, see what they have to say. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a software problem |
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| 21:57.16 | roothorick | Nappz: run hdparm -t on each array member. If any one is significantly lower than the rest/other, replace that drive. |
| 21:58.04 | Nappz | roothorick : thanks. Doing that now. Running cat /proc/mdstat is also showing some weird stuff. |
| 21:58.17 | Nappz | On one disk it says [>....................] resync = 0.0% (487040/1073740664) finish=242844.2min speed=73K/sec |
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| 21:58.23 | Nappz | I'm guessing that's bad.. |
| 21:58.37 | roothorick | oh |
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| 21:58.45 | roothorick | unless you replaced a drive recently, that's VERY bad |
| 21:58.55 | roothorick | it wouldn't be doing that unless the disk disappeared and came back |
| 21:58.58 | Nappz | Well shit, I didn't touch the hardware. It's a dedi I rent. |
| 21:59.30 | roothorick | call techsupport, it dropped the drive for a reason |
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| 21:59.40 | Nappz | Will do, thanks for the help! |
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| 22:07.29 | netlar_ | hi |
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| 22:09.29 | d4v1d | where do I find the gpg key for deb-multimedia.org? |
| 22:09.45 | dvs | ... |
| 22:09.58 | d4v1d | nvm. |
| 22:10.00 | d4v1d | I'm blind.. |
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| 22:16.00 | jelly-home | tdn: aight, the usual way about this is making /boot md raid1, possibly the OS too. |
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| 22:53.47 | format_c | netlar, hi |
| 22:53.55 | format_c | wow quite here |
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| 23:20.26 | dw | hey. is there some better way to instruct dpkg to never, ever install logrotate? "apt-mark hold logrotate" following a purge seems to be the best method |
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| 23:26.52 | eeeBronto | well, according to sensors, my cpu 1 is at 79 C |
| 23:27.03 | eeeBronto | says 125 is critical |
| 23:27.12 | eeeBronto | how does that sound? |
| 23:27.29 | eeeBronto | and its raising (cpu at 100%) |
| 23:27.52 | peterrooney | dw: it seems like it would work, barring someone explicitly running dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/logrotate_version-dfsg.deb |
| 23:28.00 | format_c | eeeBronto, sounds like you're measuring °F |
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| 23:29.21 | eeeBronto | format_c, cant be, that woul mean critical temp is 51 C ... |
| 23:30.00 | eeeBronto | would* |
| 23:30.18 | format_c | Oh yes I just checked mine: crit +105 °C |
| 23:30.39 | format_c | What type of CPU do you have? |
| 23:30.48 | format_c | 79°C sounds really high |
| 23:30.59 | format_c | is your fan running and free from dust? |
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| 23:31.09 | eeeBronto | Dual core Intel Atom CPU 330 |
| 23:31.15 | eeeBronto | fan is running |
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| 23:31.24 | format_c | idle? |
| 23:31.32 | format_c | cd |
| 23:31.34 | format_c | ups |
| 23:31.37 | eeeBronto | no, cpu at 100% |
| 23:31.45 | eeeBronto | idle is 70 C |
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| 23:32.28 | eeeBronto | ok, temp seems to be stucked now, so something is kicking in |
| 23:32.37 | format_c | I hav a Atom in my netbook and it never exceeds 50°C |
| 23:32.39 | eeeBronto | probably something biosial |
| 23:33.16 | eeeBronto | format_c, same cpu? |
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| 23:34.11 | format_c | Mhh don't know exactly . Dont have it offhand |
| 23:34.28 | format_c | it has 2 cores each 800Mhz |
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| 23:40.20 | eeeBronto | yeah, somebody was mentioning the nonlinear mistake before |
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| 23:40.33 | eeeBronto | the working range cant be just 9 degrees |
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| 23:42.45 | eeeBronto | anyway cpufreq is know not to work with this machine and i dont want to play with eee scripts |
| 23:42.58 | eeeBronto | so a new kernel maybe, if so which one? |
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| 23:45.42 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ok so Im realizing that if you install the 64bit Debian and try to install 32bit packages, you have to enable 32bit libs or whatever its called. This requires an offline user to have both 32bit and 64bit discs. Has this always been the case with 64bit debian or is this new with 7.0 release? |
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| 23:46.05 | debporter88 | A liitle dev sesion eh eeeBronto , format_c |
| 23:46.17 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2020: multiarch is new with 7.0 |
| 23:46.21 | error3_ | I never realized how big webkit was... getting the git repo takes a life O_o |
| 23:46.52 | eeeBronto | dev sesion? debporter88 |
| 23:47.00 | debporter88 | LinuxGuy2020: dpkg --add-architecture:i386 |
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| 23:47.25 | LinuxGuy2020 | jelly-home: So like on 6.0 you could install 32bit driver packages, for example, without adding 32bit lib packages? |
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| 23:48.52 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2020: There was a small subset of 32bit packages available in amd64 under different names, usually with ia32 somewhere in the package name |
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| 23:49.18 | jelly-home | like "ia32-libs" or "nvidia-glx-ia32" |
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| 23:51.41 | LinuxGuy2020 | Well I have a Brother all in one laser printer and they have 64bit drivers for the scanner and scan to email, ftp, etc functionality. Printer driver is 32bit. So lame they dont make a 64bit driver. Anyways this is my first release installing the 64bit arch. Now Im thinking why did I bother. Should have just stayed with 32bit with PAE kernel. |
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| 23:52.40 | jelly-home | or 32bit with a 64bit kernel, that's what I've been using for the last 3 years |
| 23:52.47 | Naphatul | can someone post the default jessie sources.list? |
| 23:53.23 | jelly-home | Naphatul: read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
| 23:53.53 | LinuxGuy2020 | jelly-home: Ah ok hmm. |
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| 23:56.14 | LinuxGuy2020 | jelly-home: You would think by 2013 companies and manufacturers would get with the times and support 64bit fully by now. Looking back it seems more of a marketing gimmick or something. |
| 23:56.26 | LinuxGuy2020 | Oh well |
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| 23:59.19 | LinuxGuy2020 | jelly-home: Is the reason you are still on 32bit is because you need the use of software or drivers that are only available for 32bit, like in my situation? |