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| 00:07.59 | netlar_ | How unstable is Testing? |
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| 00:08.35 | Cultist | fairly stable most of the time |
| 00:08.47 | error3_ | netlar what kind of answer are you expecting? ascale between 1 and 2? |
| 00:09.09 | netlar_ | no, just trying to decide which tree to go with |
| 00:14.07 | netlar_ | Can anyone help me with the install? |
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| 00:15.06 | error3_ | netlar: how can we help you? what is your question? |
| 00:15.09 | netlar_ | I am downloading the debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso image |
| 00:15.32 | error3_ | oh you want a debian-live? |
| 00:15.43 | error3_ | I always use netinst for installing a system |
| 00:15.54 | netlar_ | oh ok, how do I do that? |
| 00:16.12 | error3_ | well I guess you download the netinst iso |
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| 00:16.55 | netlar_ | I am on the CD image page of Debian, I do not see that |
| 00:17.21 | eeeBronto | what kernel is jessie using? |
| 00:18.46 | error3_ | netlar: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 00:18.58 | error3_ | download the iso called 'netinst' |
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| 00:19.25 | error3_ | I found the link from http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 00:19.44 | netlar_ | ok got it thanks |
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| 00:20.03 | error3_ | you're welcome, it's free of charges :) |
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| 00:20.29 | netlar_ | oh man, had my checkbook at the ready |
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| 00:21.32 | netlar_ | Can I do this with Wifi, or do I need to have ethernet hooked up |
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| 00:22.26 | error3_ | ethernet will work better for sure |
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| 00:22.57 | error3_ | for Wifi, I just don't know, never actually install it with wifi |
| 00:23.44 | netlar_ | ok, yes I heard doing the install is better with wifi |
| 00:23.48 | netlar_ | sorry eithernet |
| 00:24.32 | catsup | how can i unblank the linux console (not in X)? (besides touching a key, vbetool, or switching to and from X) |
| 00:25.31 | Agustin_ | hi guys, yes. if you have the chance try to install it via ethernet |
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| 00:27.44 | error3_ | catsup: so if there is no user interaction, on what signal do you want to unblank it? |
| 00:27.45 | nell | I want to install aplay |
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| 00:27.51 | nell | what are the prequisitves |
| 00:27.57 | nell | prerequisites * |
| 00:28.09 | error3_ | I think you need a supported wifi card |
| 00:28.11 | nell | there's lots of alsa out there |
| 00:28.15 | error3_ | my bad |
| 00:28.21 | error3_ | messed up with airplay |
| 00:29.28 | error3_ | nell: you'll get it from the alsa-utils package |
| 00:29.40 | error3_ | was that your question? |
| 00:29.40 | nell | Yup I figured it just now too |
| 00:29.51 | nell | nothing, thanks |
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| 00:35.19 | catsup | error3_: i want to log in via ssh and turn on the monitor |
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| 00:36.27 | HelenaKitty1 | What is the console kit for? I can't find any information about it anywhere. :/ |
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| 00:37.43 | LinuxGuy2020 | Whats up with i386 DVD download only listing 3 or 4 DVDs? Is i386 being dropped or something? |
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| 00:38.49 | anonnumberanon | No. |
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| 00:39.56 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hmm jigdo lists all of them. Must be to cut back on banwidth. |
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| 00:40.38 | HelenaKitty1 | Pls can someone tell me about console-kit?! o.o |
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| 00:41.33 | error3_ | catsup: got it |
| 00:41.45 | catsup | ya? |
| 00:41.47 | netlar | Ok, at install screen |
| 00:42.03 | netlar | Graphical install or just Install |
| 00:42.03 | error3_ | catsup: but why not vbetool? |
| 00:43.00 | catsup | error3_: well, actually vbetool doesn't unlbank the console, it just controls the monitor. the monitor can be on and console blank (all black pixels, but on) |
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| 00:43.47 | error3_ | oh |
| 00:43.49 | HelenaKitty1 | console-kit looks like a bunch of shit, not doing anything. :/ |
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| 00:45.21 | error3_ | catsup I would say with termset |
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| 00:46.12 | error3_ | termset -blank poke? |
| 00:46.18 | catsup | yea i tried that :/ |
| 00:46.21 | error3_ | sorry setterm |
| 00:46.28 | catsup | but setterm does not output anything for -blank poke |
| 00:46.32 | error3_ | yeah it says only virtual console |
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| 00:46.43 | catsup | i tried setterm -term linux -blank poke > /dev/tty, it gives an error |
| 00:47.19 | error3_ | what about |
| 00:47.24 | error3_ | echo "test' > /dev/tty ? |
| 00:47.51 | error3_ | because then looking at http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl4_console_codes.htm |
| 00:47.58 | error3_ | there seems to be a special char for unblanking |
| 00:48.00 | catsup | heh, that outputs it back to me. but echo test >/dev/console eats it |
| 00:48.14 | error3_ | likeESC [ 13 ] Unblank the screen. |
| 00:48.17 | catsup | escape 13 |
| 00:48.23 | error3_ | yeah |
| 00:49.43 | HelenaKitty1 | How come portions of my OS think it's Ubuntu? grub thinks it's Ubuntu, a sysinfo script for my IRC client thinks it's Ubuntu. |
| 00:50.02 | catsup | perl -e 'printf "%c%c", 27, 13' > /dev/console does not work |
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| 00:52.34 | catsup | perl -e 'printf "%c[%c]\n", 27, 13' > /dev/console does not work either |
| 00:53.25 | nkuttler | HelenaKitty1: please be more specific, paste command + output |
| 00:54.09 | catsup | i did strace on setterm -blank poke |
| 00:54.10 | catsup | ioctl(0, TIOCLINUX, 0xbfa3c46f) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 00:54.46 | catsup | hahaha |
| 00:54.48 | catsup | i got it |
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| 00:54.59 | catsup | setterm -term linux -blank poke </dev/console |
| 00:55.05 | catsup | coz it does the ioctl on fd 0 |
| 00:55.24 | error3_ | :) |
| 00:55.43 | error3_ | have you tried setvesablank --off |
| 00:55.44 | error3_ | ? |
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| 00:57.02 | catsup | error3_: didn't know about that command. but i just tried on and off, neither did anything |
| 00:57.08 | catsup | anyway, i got it |
| 00:57.17 | catsup | thanks! |
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| 00:57.55 | error3_ | :) |
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| 00:58.18 | anonnumberanon | netlar did you pick a desktop enfironment before installing Debian? |
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| 00:59.42 | netlar | anonnumberanon: nope |
| 00:59.50 | netlar | I am on the install screen now |
| 01:00.07 | netlar | Doing the partitionings |
| 01:00.19 | anonnumberanon | You really should pick one now as THIS is the perfect time to do so. |
| 01:00.36 | anonnumberanon | Ah ok it is too late then, I suggest you restart the installation. |
| 01:00.57 | netlar | Do I turn on Bootable flag on ? |
| 01:01.02 | netlar | for the boot partition? |
| 01:01.03 | anonnumberanon | nO |
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| 01:01.30 | anonnumberanon | But don't keep going it might install Gnome to your computer, a lot of people complain about it. |
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| 01:01.58 | Kevin` | where is it configured in debian that system mail goes to the user you set up instead of root? |
| 01:02.08 | netlar | I was thinking i could install cinnamon later? |
| 01:02.22 | nkuttler | Kevin`: /etc/aliases |
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| 01:02.47 | nkuttler | netlar: not in wheezy |
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| 01:03.00 | nkuttler | ,v cinnamon |
| 01:03.01 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2 |
| 01:03.39 | netlar | Ok I set up the boot partition, but do not see how to set up the swap partition now |
| 01:03.47 | anonnumberanon | ya so you'll need to upgrade your wheezy to unstable (is that Jessie?) |
| 01:04.11 | anonnumberanon | don't make a boot partition |
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| 01:04.58 | Kevin` | nkuttler: thanks |
| 01:05.02 | anonnumberanon | make / which will be the system partition , make it 20 Gb, then make /swap, which will be as m uch as your RAM, then make /home which will be the rest of the disk in size. |
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| 01:05.22 | DammitJim | is there a special package that creates the /sys/class/drm directory? |
| 01:06.07 | DammitJim | I want to do something like this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5469828/how-to-create-a-callback-for-monitor-plugged-on-an-intel-graphics |
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| 01:12.18 | nonconvergent | I need to mv or cp some files with a common extension recursively. How would I go about that? |
| 01:12.35 | anonnumberanon | in terminal, type "man cp" |
| 01:12.44 | anonnumberanon | the guide will tell you |
| 01:13.14 | error3_ | if it is recursively, "man find" can guide you too |
| 01:13.16 | anonnumberanon | use a script for the recursion part if the option is not in man |
| 01:13.48 | error3_ | find . -exec mv $i{.oldext,newext} \; |
| 01:13.51 | error3_ | might do the trick |
| 01:14.09 | anonnumberanon | what is the dot for in that command? |
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| 01:15.06 | nonconvergent | error3_: Thanks, although I'm not altering the extension. |
| 01:15.16 | nonconvergent | I'm just moving files. |
| 01:15.37 | error3_ | well I guess you'll be able to change it to your need |
| 01:16.06 | error3_ | anonnumberanon: it's a mistake, I meant: mv $i{.oldext,.newext} |
| 01:16.13 | nonconvergent | Mostly I just want to walk a directory's subtrees and pluck the files of a certain type along the way. |
| 01:16.19 | error3_ | it was a char as the other ones |
| 01:16.44 | error3_ | nonconvergent: you have everything in what I told you :) |
| 01:17.00 | netlar | I think my wifi worked right away since it is an Intel chipset |
| 01:17.02 | error3_ | you just have to man mv to understand how to "move" a file, instead of renaming it |
| 01:17.22 | nonconvergent | If I was more familiar with POSIX that might be true. |
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| 01:18.09 | anonnumberanon | netlar so what environment do you have? |
| 01:18.27 | netlar | i am going to get xfce I guess |
| 01:18.42 | anonnumberanon | best choice |
| 01:18.55 | netlar | I do like Cinnamon |
| 01:19.09 | anonnumberanon | let me look that up |
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| 01:21.42 | anonnumberanon | netlar check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyk7utV_D2I |
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| 01:22.32 | netlar | Ok that was stupid |
| 01:22.58 | DebDev | "To implement multiarch, the specification should tell what to do with config scripts in /usr/bin like /usr/bin/libusb-config, which are architecture specific. Until then such a conversion is simply not possible." |
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| 01:25.33 | jhutchin1_wk | Yep, not there quite yet. |
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| 01:26.50 | DebDev | I need it to be here though. I have other dev packages that work just fine under multiarch. |
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| 01:27.54 | jhutchins | DebDev: I imagine you're working hard to move it forward then. |
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| 01:28.54 | DebDev | jhutchins: if i knew what i was doing, i would, but to have a cop-out reponse like "i dont know where to put config scripts" is lousy IMO. |
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| 01:46.23 | badkid | hi, my dual port ethernet card and my express serial card 've same IRQ's which is causes serial ports to freeze after a while, is there a way to change IRQ assignment |
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| 01:47.42 | dvs | badkid: IRQ are usually hard wired into the motherboard so the best way to change IRQs is to physically switch the port of one of the cards. |
| 01:48.00 | dvs | s/port/slot/ |
| 01:48.35 | badkid | Thank you, i'll try it and 'll get back to you guys. Thanks |
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| 01:55.44 | badkid | dvs, : Thanks for your suggestion, but provided these two card ands my motherboards ports i can't use any other ports, would there be some other workaround |
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| 01:56.16 | GinTon | i'm using wheezy ,it browse internet very slowly ,how can i fix it |
| 01:56.40 | dvs | !tell GinTon -about mdn |
| 01:56.41 | haasn | Hey, I'm getting an error that version `GLIBC_2.14' was not found in libc.so.6 when trying to run a binary built on a different machine. How can I workaround this? |
| 01:57.20 | haasn | running debian wheezy |
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| 01:59.19 | GinTon | dvs: what's -about mdn |
| 01:59.40 | dvs | GinTon: Didn't dpkg send you a message? |
| 01:59.47 | GinTon | ok |
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| 02:03.24 | GinTon | you mean i need a new version iceweasel for wheezy |
| 02:03.24 | GinTon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.55 | GinTon | GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
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| 02:07.22 | GinTon | can somebody help me |
| 02:07.39 | dvs | GinTon: Keep reading. |
| 02:08.07 | GinTon | you mean i keep runing 'apt-get update' ? |
| 02:08.38 | dvs | Keep reading http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 02:08.55 | GinTon | ok |
| 02:10.05 | laptop000 | where can I look to get the fully formatted name of a debian repository, for example, "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib", in order to add it to my "sources.list", so that I can download this file: http://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
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| 02:14.33 | dvs | laptop000: That would be mixing versions which is really not a good idea. |
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| 02:16.51 | calisto | hi, all what is the correct metod to install debian testing, I download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso cp this into a /dev/sdb boot and starts the install but selecting manual partition define the crypts partition the swap and / and /boot on a ext4 no crypt and the setup dont continue to instal the base packages continue in a loop infinite in setup manual disk |
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| 02:17.44 | dvs | calisto: The correct way to install testing is to install stable and then upgrade to testing. |
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| 02:19.41 | laptop000 | dvs, please explain to me how that mixes versions. i just don't see that point. thanks. :) |
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| 02:19.55 | dvs | I won't |
| 02:20.38 | laptop000 | dvs, "I won't" what? was that for me? |
| 02:20.55 | Th0masR0ss | laptop000: you're getting an unstable package and using it on a different debian release |
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| 02:21.06 | anonnumberanon | hi Calisto get the netinstall version of it and connect your computer to an ethernet source |
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| 02:21.17 | dvs | Yup. Mixing versions is not recommended and not supported here. |
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| 02:22.17 | calisto | dvs: change all wheezy occurs for testing |
| 02:22.26 | calisto | apt-get update |
| 02:22.31 | laptop000 | thanks, Th0masR0ss |
| 02:22.38 | calisto | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:22.52 | laptop000 | dvs, is that what you were "trying" to indicate to me? |
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| 02:23.32 | calisto | anonnumberanon: I try and have same problem descrive |
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| 02:23.43 | dvs | calisto: That's right. |
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| 02:25.57 | anonnumberanon | calisto that made no sense :( |
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| 02:31.11 | calisto | dvs, dpkg confirm yours intructions , thanks |
| 02:32.34 | dvs | !squeeze->jessie |
| 02:32.49 | dvs | !wheezy->jessie |
| 02:33.19 | calisto | dpkg: install testing |
| 02:33.19 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
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| 02:36.59 | zophy | my laptop allows me to turn off UEFI in the bios setup, is this typical of all PC's ? |
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| 02:38.13 | calisto | zophy: no |
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| 02:40.20 | calisto | zophy: exist pc not have uefi and other dont permit disable this option and others have this option to eneble and disable |
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| 02:41.22 | GinTon | # gpg --check-sigs --fingerprint --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring.gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg pkg-mozilla-maintainers |
| 02:41.22 | GinTon | gpg: keyblock resource `/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg': file open error |
| 02:42.05 | GinTon | pub 4096R/06C4AE2A 2010-11-20 [expires: 2019-11-13] |
| 02:42.05 | GinTon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.05 | GinTon | uid Debian Mozilla team APT archive <pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 02:42.05 | GinTon | sig!3 06C4AE2A 2012-11-14 Debian Mozilla team APT archive <pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 02:42.05 | GinTon | 2 signatures not checked due to missing keys |
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| 02:45.57 | phorce1 | OK, my google-fu is failing tonight. Is there something similar to rsync that will move files to the correct directory if they already exist on the remote rather than downloading a new copy from the source then deleting the copy that was already there because it's "not where it was supposed to be"? |
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| 03:32.22 | satellite9 | I want to apply a kernel patch, and I found instructions for doing so here: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html. Is that site sanctioned, or is there another place whose instructions are supported? |
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| 03:34.08 | nkuttler | zzing: man update-rc.d |
| 03:34.13 | zzing | merci |
| 03:35.46 | zzing | IF I read it right, defaults are what I want |
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| 03:38.55 | GinTon | i'm using wheezy ,and i installed iceweasel the version is 17.0.6, now the wheezy browse internet very very slowly ,how to fix it ? |
| 03:39.21 | GinTon | i use network-manager to configure my net |
| 03:40.54 | GinTon | when i restart machine ,i run apt-get update it's ok, but when i run it second time ,it can not connect to sources site |
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| 03:41.52 | future28 | Hi, using gnome3 in traditional mode (or whatever it is called now), the battery and the sound icons on the top bar are really odd looking, has anyone else experienced this? How can I fix it? |
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| 03:43.21 | GinTon | i use wheezy at two different machine,and two different net line, but it still very slowly to browse internet |
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| 03:48.46 | GinTon | i use wheezy at two different machine,and two different net line, but it still very slowly to browse internet,i've installed iceweasel version17.0.6,and chrome is slowly also ,can someone help me ?thanks |
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| 03:53.29 | zzing | In the apache2 init script, it says if [ -n "$APACHE_CONFDIR" ] ; then but does not define the variable. Where does that come from? It is not under defaults/apache2. |
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| 03:55.10 | blz37 | is it advisable to install sublime text .deb ? |
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| 03:58.58 | dmbaturin | blz37: No, though shall not use proprietary stuff. |
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| 03:59.08 | dmbaturin | * thou |
| 03:59.22 | Rusty1 | zzing: there is #httpd channel, if you havent already |
| 03:59.38 | dmbaturin | zzing: Let me see. |
| 03:59.49 | zzing | Rusty1, this is a debian init script not from apache itself. |
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| 04:00.06 | dmbaturin | Rusty1: I think the init script is debian specific and on the httpd channel that question will be redirected to here. ;) |
| 04:00.11 | zzing | It does have provision for them not being defined though. |
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| 04:00.54 | Rusty1 | ask there, wait here, up to you - maybe they've dealt with it before |
| 04:01.17 | blz37 | dmbaturin, so better maintain it manually and use tar ball. |
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| 04:01.44 | dmbaturin | blz37: No, I mean from debian point of view proprietary software is not advisable to install at all. |
| 04:02.27 | dmbaturin | From general point of view, if there is .deb and it install cleanly, probably better to use it. |
| 04:03.18 | mumpitzel | blz37: depends where this sublime .deb comes from and how well it works with debian |
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| 04:03.40 | dmbaturin | zzing: I think that code is there for the case you start the init script with custom environment variables. |
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| 04:04.02 | blz37 | mumpitzel, dmbaturin, got it. I can live without it. I will try it out from tar ball for now. |
| 04:04.31 | dmbaturin | zzing: So if e.g. you want to start httpd with your test configs in /var/tmp/apcahe-test, you pass APACHE_CONFDIR=/var/tmp/apache-test to i. |
| 04:04.34 | dmbaturin | * to it |
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| 04:10.13 | subb1 | Hi Debian. |
| 04:11.02 | subb1 | I'm on my Debian 5 server. When I try to install openjdk-6-jdk package, it tries to upgrade 'tzdata' package automatically. How to prevent this? |
| 04:11.23 | subb1 | using "apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk" |
| 04:12.03 | dmbaturin | What is wrong with upgrading tzdata? |
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| 04:12.53 | subb1 | dmbaturin, I'm concerned if it might break something on the live server. |
| 04:13.53 | subb1 | dmbaturin, I mean when the system time gets changed... |
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| 04:19.56 | zzing | dmbaturin, thank you for the info |
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| 06:07.10 | xnorlax | can someone help me with a new debian install from usb |
| 06:07.30 | xnorlax | please :) |
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| 06:09.04 | xnorlax | well anyway, im trying to install from usb, i can boot the image fine and start install, but my wireless chipset needs drivers. i have downloaded the proper package, how do i include it on my usb stick |
| 06:09.16 | xnorlax | intel wifilink 5100 |
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| 06:09.44 | xnorlax | do i keep the file as a gzipped archive or do i extract right onto the usb stick |
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| 06:13.30 | jwilliams1 | can xscreensaver auto lock? |
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| 06:14.26 | Blue1 | jwilliams1: yes |
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| 06:18.18 | tralala | I have this domU machine that Ι just upgraded to wheezy. It's a firewall and it works fine as such - routing, natting, filtering are all fine. The only thing that stopped working is local connections. Ι can't ssh in and I just made a nc test that failed as well. Any ideas where to dig in? |
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| 06:21.17 | [nas]peter | tralala, is an ssh-server installed? |
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| 06:28.31 | tralala | [nas]peter, yes. When connection is attempted tcpdump on the firewall shows that a reply is sent, but on the client side tcpdump doesn't get any reply. |
| 06:28.50 | [nas]peter | is the firewall blocking it? |
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| 06:31.16 | tralala | no |
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| 06:32.26 | tralala | I have the same behaviour with the firewall stopped. |
| 06:32.27 | [nas]peter | I'm out of options then ^_^ |
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| 06:33.51 | tralala | I suspect it's some kind of a xen issue, but it's really strange because it affects only this VM. Two others are working just fine. |
| 06:35.05 | [nas]peter | I gave you what I thought it could be already |
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| 06:36.31 | bjoernb | hi |
| 06:36.56 | tralala | [nas]peter, thanks for the support |
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| 06:37.44 | bjoernb | i am wondering, where on planet.debian.org the google summer of code blog entries are. planet.gnome.org is full of them, but on planet.debian.org there are no entries of gsoc students. why is that so? |
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| 06:39.21 | tralala | bjoernb, the planet is just a collection of debian related blogs. If nobody writes about it, it won't be there. |
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| 06:39.35 | tralala | did you search debian.org? |
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| 06:46.46 | loaden | hello! I've meet a problem when use `zhcon --utf8 --drv=vga`, I got a message: 'zhcon: option unknown'. does somebody know what's wrong. or I missed something. |
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| 06:46.52 | bjoernb | tralala: sorry. last week there was no entry. now there is an entry. |
| 06:47.11 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 06:49.37 | tralala | loaden, is there anything relevant in man zhcon or zhcon --help? |
| 06:49.46 | jwilliams1 | Blue1: thanks! just see there is a xscreensaver-command -pref can used to tick lock after x mins. |
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| 06:50.11 | loaden | zhcon --help show all infomation as I need. It's seems fine. |
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| 06:50.37 | loaden | tralala: --utf8 use iconv filter to convert UTF-8 stream from/to system encoding (default=on) |
| 06:50.50 | loaden | tralala: --drv=STRING specify video driver (auto, fb, ggi, vga) (default=`auto') |
| 06:53.41 | maroloccio | that's the best debian package to view large png images over ssh X remoting? |
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| 06:55.04 | Calavera | Hello I just installed Debian server, and apparently the admin gropu does not exist. Is this what is supposed to happen, or was it a bad install? |
| 06:55.40 | tralala | maroloccio, my favourite image viewer is geeqie |
| 06:56.00 | zeeflo | i was wondering if someone could help me with the schematics of interconnecting servers.. I have 6 servers, each with 3 NIC's.. 1 for switch port and 2 for interconnecting the servers with each other. |
| 06:56.10 | ChrisH | Calavera: I do not háve an admin group in /etc/groups either. |
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| 06:57.12 | zeeflo | eth1 is on every server is connected to the switch with a public IP.. Eth0 and eth2 are nulled from server to server to server |
| 06:57.31 | zeeflo | would I just give eth0 and eth2 internal ip's like 10.10.10.1 etc etc etc? |
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| 07:00.10 | nardev | hello, i have some strange problem with colors when playing video it's like this http://www.nardev.org/_temp/colors.png and it's same whatever player i use. I'm on squeeze |
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| 07:00.30 | ChrisH | zeeflo: You should first explain why you want to interconnect the server. Without knowing the reason behind. I would setup 2NICs with the public IP towards the two external redundant switches and the add another NIC and put the into s private VLAN/LAN on your switch pair. That would be a High Avalibility approach. |
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| 07:00.51 | jillsmitt | hello |
| 07:01.14 | zeeflo | ChrisH, just to be able to transfer data in between the servers |
| 07:01.26 | zeeflo | without letting the data go through the switch? |
| 07:01.26 | jillsmitt | where can i find debian manuals to set up network gateway with LDAP? |
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| 07:02.05 | ChrisH | zeeflo: why not pushing the data through the switch? Normally that are much faster then the conected clients. |
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| 07:02.43 | zeeflo | ChrisH, can I somehow find out if that is how they have interconnected our servers? |
| 07:03.16 | zeeflo | Should I not get a link report if I use ethtool, if in fact the NIC is connected to a switch port? |
| 07:03.50 | ChrisH | zeeflo: ifconfig -a and netstat -rn is all you can do from the OS side. Anything else is easier by asking the switch colleagues. |
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| 07:05.30 | zeeflo | ChrisH, gotcha |
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| 07:10.32 | jwilliams1 | i setup xscreensaver with lock after 1 min by xscreeensaver-command -perf. |
| 07:10.42 | jwilliams1 | but it doesn't work. |
| 07:10.47 | jwilliams1 | i wait after 1 mins |
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| 07:11.00 | jwilliams1 | Tue Jul 2 03:03:36 EDT 2013 |
| 07:11.01 | jwilliams1 | date |
| 07:11.01 | jwilliams1 | Tue Jul 2 03:09:08 EDT 2013 |
| 07:11.05 | jwilliams1 | but it still doesn't lock. |
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| 07:11.09 | jwilliams1 | what else may i miss? |
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| 07:11.46 | zeeflo | ChrisH, if I look at netstat -rn I only see an active connection on iface1 |
| 07:12.23 | zeeflo | i am suspecting that they have nulled with cables the servers in between. |
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| 07:12.37 | zeeflo | i have no link to a port on the other ifaces |
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| 07:14.01 | nardev | hello, i have some strange problem with colors when playing video it's like this http://www.nardev.org/_temp/colors.png and it's same whatever player i use. I'm on squeeze |
| 07:14.10 | nardev | what could be the problem? |
| 07:14.29 | zeeflo | And so, if that is the case, how would I give eth0 and eth2 ip's ? |
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| 07:17.09 | ChrisH | zeeflo: If there is a cross-over cable connected, you will see it using: ethtool ethX and search the Luink detected line. |
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| 07:18.03 | zeeflo | I will make a pasite |
| 07:18.05 | zeeflo | pastie |
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| 07:19.12 | zeeflo | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/Jbi3bZbk |
| 07:19.24 | zeeflo | these are the two nics that are crossed over |
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| 07:20.47 | ChrisH | zeeflo: does not look so. "Link detected: no" |
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| 07:21.14 | zeeflo | ChrisH, could it be because I have not set any IP's ? |
| 07:22.08 | ChrisH | zeeflo: should not matter... Link is below IP |
| 07:22.19 | zeeflo | yes of course. |
| 07:22.32 | zeeflo | So its safe to say that there are no cables inbetween the servers? |
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| 07:27.00 | zeeflo | ChrisH, ? |
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| 07:32.42 | Calavera_ | Why does Debian always want me to insert the DVD containing the binary that it needs like it can't connect to the repositoroy? |
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| 07:34.01 | P0bailey | Calavera_, check the /etc/apt/sources.list if you have cdrom/dvd rep enabled |
| 07:36.25 | Calavera_ | deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy? - Official amd64 DVD Binary-a 20130504-14:44]/ wheezy contrib main |
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| 07:37.06 | tkl | Hello |
| 07:37.34 | Calavera_ | I'm not really sure how to interpret that, but I'm gathering that it doesn't have a repository added, however, I'm seeing http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ listed |
| 07:38.11 | Calavera_ | Is it just going to prompt me to insert the DVD if it can't find the package in the repo? I don't think so because it gave me that message when I tried to install weechat |
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| 07:40.13 | tkl | Anyone here who could tell me when Icedove gets updated in Wheezy? |
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| 07:41.05 | tkl | As far as I know it should be upgraded to ESR soon |
| 07:41.24 | mumpitzel | Calavera_: do you need the #deb cdrom entry? |
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| 07:41.44 | Calavera_ | Not really, no. I don't even have an optical bay installed. |
| 07:41.48 | mumpitzel | Calavera_: since you already have wheezy main in your sources.list you can simply comment it out |
| 07:42.05 | mumpitzel | !tell Calavera_ about sources.list |
| 07:42.52 | ChrisH | zeeflo: yes. It is OK to say not connection established between these NICs. Either no ctross-over cable or no cable at all. Physicall inspection needed. |
| 07:43.05 | zeeflo | Yup! |
| 07:43.10 | zeeflo | Thanks ChrisH |
| 07:43.17 | zeeflo | I am writing the support now |
| 07:43.31 | mumpitzel | GBit ethernet is autodetecting. no crossover needed |
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| 07:43.44 | zeeflo | mumpitzel, what? |
| 07:44.01 | zeeflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.11 | mumpitzel | gigabit ethernet doesn't need crossover cables. and cable will do. |
| 07:44.25 | Calavera_ | Thank you mumpitzel. That was more of a simple fix than I was anticipating. |
| 07:44.44 | P0bailey | Calavera_, if you donst 't need the cd rom , just comment the repo in the source list |
| 07:45.05 | zeeflo | we're aware of that mumpitzel but when quering the nic, and we receive "Link detected: no", there is no cable plugged in to autodetect anything on??!? |
| 07:45.30 | mumpitzel | or the cable has broken wires |
| 07:45.47 | zeeflo | then all 6 servers has brokes wires in their cables.. |
| 07:46.00 | zeeflo | all 12 NIC's reports no link detected |
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| 07:47.22 | ChrisH | mumpitzel: are you sure about Gigabit beeing autodetecting? |
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| 07:49.50 | mumpitzel | ChrisH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Dependent_Interface#Auto-MDIX yes |
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| 07:50.22 | zeeflo | so, could it be that the servers are in fact cross cabled but only needs an IP?? |
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| 07:51.23 | zeeflo | i was just under the impression that link is _below_ ip's, and should return a true answer if there is any link present - no matter if its a link crossed to another NIC, swtich, router etc. |
| 07:51.41 | zeeflo | am I wrong? |
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| 07:52.24 | netlar | Man. Linux for the desktop , is a TOY |
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| 07:53.12 | NoOova | hello all! how i could automatically rotate image with text? |
| 07:53.20 | NoOova | to normal orientation |
| 07:53.32 | Calavera_ | Umm... are you talking about GIMP? |
| 07:54.14 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: link layer is below, yes. but the driver might not give you the right information via ethtool |
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| 07:54.44 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: why are you not simply setting up an IP on 2 connected servers and try it? |
| 07:54.58 | mumpitzel | could have done it a few times already the time spent here asking |
| 07:55.09 | zeeflo | mumpitzel, im just afraid it will lose connection :/ |
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| 07:55.36 | zeeflo | Ive never set up cross linking before. |
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| 07:55.49 | mumpitzel | just don't fiddle with your default gateway and use a different ip range |
| 07:55.56 | zeeflo | I am not aware of the consquences of a faulty IP set up |
| 07:56.20 | zeeflo | yes, I would use an internal range |
| 07:56.49 | zeeflo | do I need to definde netmask and broadcast when I set up the ip's for the cross cabled nics? |
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| 07:57.06 | NoOova | i want to recognize how to rotate image for normal text direction |
| 07:57.30 | NoOova | so i have image with text (document scan) and i want automatically rotate it |
| 07:57.39 | mumpitzel | NoOova: rotate it where? and what have images to do with text direction? |
| 07:57.57 | mumpitzel | scantailor, imagemagick. both should be able to do it |
| 07:58.20 | NoOova | mumpitzel: yes imagemagick can if i know how to rotate it |
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| 07:59.06 | NoOova | But how i know which orientation has text on page? |
| 07:59.52 | NoOova | (a4 scan with horizontal text orientation must be rotated as horizontal image) |
| 07:59.57 | mumpitzel | how is this a debian support question? |
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| 08:00.12 | NoOova | i search answer for linux |
| 08:00.22 | NoOova | not for debian exactly |
| 08:00.31 | mumpitzel | I would rotate, try to OCR and check if there is something readable: if it is, it's the right orientation. but again: not a debian support question |
| 08:00.34 | NoOova | but for debian too |
| 08:00.54 | mumpitzel | this is a debian support channel. we are always about "debian exactly" and nothing else |
| 08:01.17 | zeeflo | mumpitzel, where can I read about how to define IP's for cross cabled NIC's ? |
| 08:01.20 | NoOova | mumpitzel: yes it is the simplest way. but it is wery slow |
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| 08:01.36 | NoOova | mumpitzel: but. thanx for answer |
| 08:01.55 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: man interfaces. or use ifconfig directly to set IPs. if you use interfaces do not put in a "auto ethX" line for your edits |
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| 08:02.55 | zeeflo | mumpitzel, alright! |
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| 08:06.34 | zeeflo | i have 3 nics in each server |
| 08:06.40 | zeeflo | 1 for public IP's |
| 08:06.47 | zeeflo | 2 for crossing |
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| 08:07.21 | zeeflo | im trying to picture in my head how theyre interconnected.. |
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| 08:09.07 | KM0201 | greetings and salutations |
| 08:09.12 | zeeflo | do you guys know of an online tool where you can make network diagrams? |
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| 08:09.42 | ocharles | Hi, does anyone know how I might use apt-get/dpkg to show all files in my system that either do not belong to a package, or have been modified since the package was installed? |
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| 08:11.15 | phorce1 | ocharles: not quite what you're looking for but helpful --- apt-get install deborphan then 'man deborphan' |
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| 08:11.15 | sweb1 | how can i recompile php from source package ? i want add some configure to my php... |
| 08:11.22 | sweb1 | is any standard way for this ? |
| 08:11.33 | ocharles | phorce1: thanks, I'll take a look at that! |
| 08:11.46 | mumpitzel | ocharles: debsums will tell you about modified ones. but it cannot know about configuration files. these files do "belong" to a package but you cannot really find them in a meaningful way |
| 08:11.54 | ocharles | phorce1: ah, no, that seems to be for cleaning up unused packages |
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| 08:12.03 | ocharles | phorce1: i'm specifically interested in things that don't belong to a package |
| 08:12.43 | ocharles | mumpitzel: oh? I mean stuff like /etc/nginx/nginx.conf is provided by nginx-common. I know some files (such as conf.d/stuff) won't be in a package but that's ok |
| 08:12.55 | phorce1 | ocharles: ahhh, the things you installed manually outside of /usr/local/ and can't find now. ;-) |
| 08:12.56 | ocharles | i'm just trying to ensure all my chef stuff covers the majority of this machine |
| 08:13.16 | ocharles | phorce1: that and extra configuration, yes :) |
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| 08:14.12 | ocharles | debsums looks very handy for identifying the "what's changed" part |
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| 08:14.30 | ocharles | oh, it still doesn't look at nginx.conf. bah |
| 08:14.42 | zeeflo | Wouldnt it mean that the first and the last server does ONLY use 1 NIC?? |
| 08:14.44 | ocharles | he says, not reading the man page. excuse me. |
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| 08:15.29 | mumpitzel | all I can think of is using all .list files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and compare it with a find / run. anthing from the find run not in the .list file is a potential "stray" |
| 08:15.37 | mumpitzel | tedious of course |
| 08:15.49 | ocharles | mumpitzel: tedious is fine, this is mostly one off and I feel fairly capable scripting things |
| 08:15.58 | ocharles | I'll look into that .list file, I've not heard of that |
| 08:16.17 | Calavera_ | When I'm SSHing into my server, I'm trying to start a terminal in root, but it's saying that I'm not in the list of sudoers. Would any of you have any ideas? |
| 08:16.25 | mumpitzel | no. every package comes with a .list file which lists the files it contains |
| 08:16.42 | mumpitzel | if you take all of them you know at least part that has been installed via dpkg |
| 08:17.04 | ocharles | mumpitzel: that sounds good |
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| 08:27.21 | zeeflo | my head is about to explode.. I cant figure out how these servers are crosscabled.. |
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| 08:30.06 | zeeflo | how the heck is server 1 able to transfer crosscabled to server 6 ?? |
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| 08:33.41 | k4tZz | Weird |
| 08:33.46 | k4tZz | I have fortune and cowsay installed |
| 08:33.48 | k4tZz | but they aren't in my path |
| 08:33.55 | k4tZz | thus, debian cannot find them |
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| 08:36.43 | k4tZz | Nvm, that was just for root |
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| 08:38.17 | zeeflo | should all 6 servers use the same gateway? |
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| 08:38.34 | mumpitzel | usually yes. but for your new settings you must not set any gateway |
| 08:38.49 | mumpitzel | only IP and netmask basically |
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| 08:39.25 | zeeflo | I can figure out how to do it if it was only 2 servers that was interconnected.. |
| 08:39.38 | zeeflo | but I cannot figure out how i should do it with 6.. |
| 08:39.55 | zeeflo | server a -> b -> c -> d etc |
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| 08:40.17 | zeeflo | but how is server c connected to a ?? |
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| 08:40.48 | zeeflo | the crossing is from 1 nic to another nic etc.. |
| 08:41.01 | mumpitzel | tricky routing with fancy netmasks :( |
| 08:41.46 | zeeflo | i guess I need to ask support if theyre connected over switch... |
| 08:41.53 | zeeflo | i cant figure this out in my head |
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| 08:45.14 | jwilliams1 | anyone knows how to fix 'dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 270 package ...'? |
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| 08:45.54 | jwilliams1 | when performing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade commands, it keeps complaining with that warning. How can I fix it? |
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| 08:46.42 | mumpitzel | what is the real warning/error message? |
| 08:46.52 | joltcan | jwilliams1: not sure what the official way is, but I have editid the available-file to remove it |
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| 08:47.06 | mumpitzel | generally, you backup the file, edit it to fix the error and live happily ever after |
| 08:47.28 | jwilliams1 | there are many, but it looks like http://paste.debian.net/13878/ |
| 08:47.31 | mumpitzel | there is a vailable-old too |
| 08:47.39 | zeeflo | If you were a tech support guy, would this question make sense to you? http://pastebin.com/ya5Rdkw1 |
| 08:47.41 | mumpitzel | the important one is the first one |
| 08:47.58 | jwilliams1 | ok. thank you. let me try it. |
| 08:48.33 | BenNZ | hi everytime i run ntpdate i get ntpdate[4100]: no servers can be used, exiting , this is my /etc/ntp.conf http://paste.debian.net/13877/ anyone know what the problem is ? |
| 08:49.47 | joltcan | BenNZ: Not sure, but maybe it doesn't like tabs before <server> |
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| 08:50.20 | BenNZ | joltcan: ok thanks for the reply , ill try removing those |
| 08:50.29 | dupa | when I have only open port 80/tcp on OUTPUT and server have only open 22/tcp on INPUT how can I connect on this ssh? |
| 08:51.49 | Calavera_ | Why can't I establish a root session when I added my name to the sudoers' file? |
| 08:51.58 | joltcan | dupa: I dont think you can. You need to have -m state --state ESTABLISED on your output chain as well |
| 08:52.07 | jwilliams1 | should i manually remove all packages that get reported in console? |
| 08:52.09 | joltcan | Calavera_: what command are you using? |
| 08:52.24 | Calavera_ | sudo su |
| 08:52.25 | jwilliams1 | i remove the first one that is reported as warning message |
| 08:52.44 | jwilliams1 | but then it still complains other without the original first one. |
| 08:52.47 | joltcan | Calavera_: and what is the error message? can you paste your sudoers file to pastebin? |
| 08:52.49 | BenNZ | joltcan: thanks for the suggestion , that didnt help tho |
| 08:52.58 | jwilliams1 | so this seems to me i need to manually removing all of them? |
| 08:53.10 | Calavera_ | I know that I can activate a root terminal using the GUI, but I need to be able to access root through SSH. |
| 08:53.14 | mumpitzel | jwilliams1: don't remove. add a dummy description |
| 08:53.17 | joltcan | BenNZ: have you tried "host nz.pool.ntp.org" to see if you can resolv those hostnames? |
| 08:53.20 | jwilliams1 | is it safe just remove /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 08:53.33 | mumpitzel | Calavera_: please do what joltcan asked |
| 08:53.33 | Calavera_ | joltcan: Yes, give me a second. |
| 08:53.42 | jwilliams1 | mumptizel: what kind of dummy description should i add? |
| 08:53.59 | jwilliams1 | sorry don't that apt-get available file very well |
| 08:54.44 | BenNZ | joltcan: sorry what do you mean by resolve the hostname? |
| 08:55.17 | joltcan | BenNZ: the config file contains a bunch of hostnames ending in .ntp.org. Are you certain that you can resolv those into ip addresses? |
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| 08:55.31 | Calavera_ | pastebin.com/c6J5D3u6 |
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| 08:55.41 | joltcan | like "host nz.pool.ntp.org" gives me two IP addresses |
| 08:56.24 | BenNZ | joltcan: when i run sudo ntpdate nz.pool.ntp.org , ntpdate[10841]: step time server 119.47.118.129 offset -15.828506 sec |
| 08:56.29 | joltcan | Calavera_: so, are your user in the "sudo" group? (adduser username sudo) |
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| 08:56.38 | Calavera_ | Yes |
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| 08:56.51 | Calavera_ | I know for a fact, because that is as far as my own research has gotten me. |
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| 08:58.07 | joltcan | Calavera_: My sudoers file has the ALL stansas without ":", but that is the only difference. Like root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:58.26 | joltcan | Calavera_: what is the error message when you try to run sudo then? |
| 08:58.52 | Calavera_ | not in the list of sudoers, will be reported |
| 08:59.08 | joltcan | have you logged in/out after adding your user to the group? |
| 08:59.19 | Calavera_ | No. That is an idea though. |
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| 08:59.36 | joltcan | yes, a very good one as well! I found out that the hard way |
| 08:59.36 | Calavera_ | I will see how that works. God that's so embarrassing if that is all that that is. |
| 09:00.18 | joltcan | BenNZ: then I'm not sure. Maybe you can add some more debugging and run ntp manually to see if you can figure it out? |
| 09:01.48 | Calavera_ | It probably doesn't matter os much now at this point, but another issue that I noticed is that the admin group doesn't exist. Why wouldn't the devs want to add an admin group on the server edition? |
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| 09:02.53 | joltcan | Calavera_: that sounds windows-isch. But feel free to add any groups you want |
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| 09:03.47 | Calavera_ | I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm just purely curious. It just seems a tad odd to me comning straight from Windows and *buntu. |
| 09:04.25 | joltcan | Calavera_: Well, you have a sudo-group, why not use that? What is the definition of "admin" anyway? |
| 09:05.02 | joltcan | Calavera_: does it mean they should have root access? Why not add them to sudo so they can become root then. I guess it's just semantics |
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| 09:05.22 | Calavera_ | Well, the shell itself refers to sudoers as admins. |
| 09:05.33 | Calavera_ | as in adduser username admin |
| 09:05.44 | Calavera_ | Or am I wrong? |
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| 09:07.38 | joltcan | Calavera_: I guess thats the sudoers guys who wrote the documentation. But in reality it's just a name. We use group names to distinguish here, so I'm part of the group "it". It's something we have in our LDAP, so there isn't really any need to add local admin groups, because that is all taken care of by the auth mechanism |
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| 09:07.57 | joltcan | ..and central user/group storage |
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| 09:10.54 | Calavera_ | joltcan: Yeah... I guess that you're right. It's really semantics. |
| 09:11.34 | joltcan | Calavera_: good thing is that you can add it if you need it. Thats the most important to me. And I like my config-files short as default :) |
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| 09:16.31 | Iridos | Calavera_, historically, the "admin" group used to be called "wheel" on unix systems... but on my current wheezy system, i see that one doesn't exist, but there is one called "adm"... *shrug*. |
| 09:16.52 | Iridos | Calavera_, I also wonder... if you're running "sudo su" anyway, why don't you just run su and supply the root password? |
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| 09:17.20 | Calavera_ | I was mainly testing to see if sudo would work at all. |
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| 09:17.43 | Calavera_ | My visudo file was half-broken for about half an hour, and that was just the command that I used. |
| 09:18.48 | Iridos | well, I always just use su |
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| 09:27.00 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 09:27.13 | lancelot_of | in my debian wheezy nautilus shows without theming, as it was opened by root |
| 09:27.21 | lancelot_of | moreover i'm missing the find option |
| 09:27.35 | CalimeroTeknik | is the file that is loaded by apache on debian (and it loads the rest, )? |
| 09:27.38 | lancelot_of | and tabs show up without the close icon in the tab, instead of a red cross like the absence of any icon....how to fix? |
| 09:27.54 | CalimeroTeknik | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
| 09:28.34 | CalimeroTeknik | it doesn't seem much like so :x |
| 09:29.07 | CalimeroTeknik | or does it |
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| 09:31.37 | lancelot_of | no suggestions for me? |
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| 09:33.35 | CalimeroTeknik | lancelot_of, don't run it as root |
| 09:33.51 | Iridos | CalimeroTeknik, it's actually explained inside the file |
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| 09:34.00 | lancelot_of | Calavera_, i'm not running as root i'm saying that from user it shows up as it would be opened by root, without gtk theming |
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| 09:35.30 | CalimeroTeknik | your sentence didn't mean that ^^ ; then okay, set the gtk3 theme? |
| 09:35.40 | CalimeroTeknik | I think nautilus is in gtk3 in wheezy. |
| 09:36.10 | CalimeroTeknik | (you'd have to say "as *if* it were opened by root") |
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| 09:36.22 | Iridos | lancelot_of, log into X with a freshly made new and unused user account to see if it's something with your config/save-files in $HOME. if not... check if bugs.debian.org/ shows someone had the same problem |
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| 09:37.46 | Iridos | lancelot_of, oh.. also kill all remaining instances and start it from within a terminal to see if you get any useful error messages |
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| 09:45.10 | Konomi | is there anyway to do a package contents search from the console? re the packages.debian.org stuff |
| 09:45.26 | Konomi | I just don't want to go to the web page for it |
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| 09:46.17 | format_c | Konomi, install apt-file do apt-file update and then apt-file search <file pattern> |
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| 09:46.35 | Konomi | that works for non installed packages I presume? |
| 09:46.58 | format_c | yes |
| 09:47.03 | Konomi | thanks |
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| 09:52.50 | Iridos | you missed the "apt-file update" there |
| 09:52.59 | Iridos | oh, did not |
| 09:53.07 | Iridos | blinks |
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| 09:54.04 | aswen | hi there, i would like to generate a string that I can use to put in .shadow files on all my squeeze machines. (i use puppet to manage my users and in the manifest i should paste an encrypted passwd) |
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| 09:54.43 | aswen | for a new user i allways create an account on my laptop, let the user change it's passwd and then grep that out of my shadow file (and then delete the user) |
| 09:54.58 | aswen | isn't there a more efficient way to achieve this? |
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| 09:55.43 | aswen | i've read about makepasswd but i fail to give it a passwd to encrypt |
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| 09:57.30 | Iridos | depends what type password hashes you want... there's htpasswd for apache passwd files |
| 09:57.45 | aswen | it's for the system shadow file |
| 09:57.49 | Iridos | dunno... would be more efficient to add them to the file you're syncing and change pwd there |
| 09:57.59 | format_c | blinks back on Iridos |
| 09:58.25 | Iridos | yes, but passwd/shadow also support multiple types of hashes |
| 09:58.46 | aswen | crap, i meant mkpasswd ;-) |
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| 10:00.01 | Iridos | I thought nobody uses crypt(3) passwords anymore |
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| 10:22.25 | cusco | hello, I'm reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554480 - states "Bug No longer marked as found in versions ppp/2.4.4rel-10.1" |
| 10:22.57 | cusco | what does that mean? |
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| 10:27.37 | mumpitzel | it means from that version on this bug doesn't exist in the software anymore. e.g. maybe upstream has fixed it |
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| 11:00.18 | stephanb | hi, it seems that my apache-server is run as user "root", where can i change this? |
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| 11:01.47 | ksk | stephanb: if you want to use port 80 (which is http acutally) you need some root-processes |
| 11:02.09 | ksk | stephanb: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PrivilegeSeparation |
| 11:02.34 | ksk | uhm, thats not really what you want |
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| 11:04.59 | stephanb | ksk: okay, i see |
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| 11:05.07 | Iridos | or in other words... if you want the webserver to run on port 80, which is the normal port for a webserver to run on, then you can't |
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| 11:05.20 | stephanb | ksk: i had changed something in apaches envvars and wasn't aware of it anymore |
| 11:05.28 | stephanb | so the problem is already solved ;) |
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| 11:13.27 | bahamas | hello. I have a process that opens a lot of sockets. is there any way to see what those sockets are used for, what kind of connection? |
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| 11:15.08 | ChrisH | bahamas: lsof -p PID should show it |
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| 11:16.05 | ChrisH | bahamas: or netstat -np | grep PID |
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| 11:17.59 | bahamas | ChrisH: great. thanks |
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| 11:50.59 | AndreeeCZ | hello. I was using a program to manage services started during different runlevels. It was something like sys-conf-mgr. |
| 11:51.07 | AndreeeCZ | whats the exact name |
| 11:52.30 | AndreeeCZ | and is it compatible with systemd |
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| 11:52.32 | AndreeeCZ | ? |
| 11:52.33 | movl | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 11:53.39 | dawud | AndreeeCZ: systemd doesn't use runlevels |
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| 11:54.04 | AndreeeCZ | dawud, and where can i manage service started by systemd? |
| 11:54.40 | zeeflo | hey. Can anyone tell me where I can read about cross cable connecting multiple servers. I can only find information about how to cross connect 2.. I have 6... |
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| 11:56.39 | dawud | AndreeeCZ: what do mean 'where'? |
| 11:56.54 | AndreeeCZ | dawud, or how |
| 11:57.28 | movl | zeeflo, you mean crossover cabling? also, what do you want to do exactly? |
| 11:57.29 | dawud | AndreeeCZ: you use unit files |
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| 11:58.12 | zeeflo | movl, yes, all servers are somehow crossover cabled... I need to know how I would go about setting up the IP's for that.. |
| 11:58.35 | zeeflo | I believe theyre connected as such: a <-> b <-> c <-> d etc |
| 11:59.30 | zeeflo | im trying to figure out how I would set up the IP's so that e.g. D can communicate with A and not just C |
| 12:00.22 | zeeflo | movl, maybe my question to the support dept. can help you understand? http://pastebin.com/3tHGCWWT |
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| 12:00.58 | zeeflo | im a bit puzzled over this |
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| 12:02.39 | movl | if I remember correctly, crossover cables connect devices _of the same type_ |
| 12:02.50 | zeeflo | the servers are all the same |
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| 12:02.57 | movl | yes |
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| 12:03.35 | zeeflo | I just cant figure out how server G is supposed to be able to transfer to/from server A if server A is only cross cabled with server B-... |
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| 12:04.18 | zeeflo | my logic tells me that only the 2 machines that are cross cabled are able to transfer data to and from each others? |
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| 12:04.37 | movl | yes, exactly |
| 12:04.56 | zeeflo | then having 6 servers cross cabled is.. stupid.. |
| 12:05.00 | zeeflo | I would need a switch! |
| 12:05.07 | movl | yes, you would |
| 12:05.29 | zeeflo | why on earth would educated technicians tell me that cross cabling would suffice then? |
| 12:05.31 | tehrabbitt | morning everyone :) |
| 12:05.36 | zeeflo | goodmorning |
| 12:05.44 | tehrabbitt | http://www.365professionals.com/shopping/office-professional-plus-2013-en.html |
| 12:05.46 | movl | zeeflo, I don't know the whole story |
| 12:05.48 | tehrabbitt | does that seem legit? |
| 12:05.49 | zeeflo | i dont get it.. |
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| 12:06.14 | tehrabbitt | sorry if that's random :| lol |
| 12:06.24 | movl | tehrabbitt, how is that link Debian relateed? |
| 12:06.29 | movl | *related |
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| 12:06.48 | zeeflo | I asked them to set up my servers so they ALL would be interconnected and be able to transfer data from x to x internally.. |
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| 12:07.02 | tehrabbitt | movl: it was an accident at first (thought I was in a diff channel) but I figured it's already been posted lol |
| 12:07.05 | zeeflo | THen they smacked in cross cables and put in 3 nic's in each server and said: go for it! |
| 12:07.16 | zeeflo | I dont get it.... |
| 12:07.18 | tehrabbitt | on a side note, what's the best way to back up /var/www to a CIFS share? |
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| 12:07.32 | alimj | Sorry I was not here from begining. But maybe that technician meant some sort of bridging interfaces... |
| 12:08.00 | zeeflo | screw bridging.. |
| 12:08.10 | zeeflo | thats not high availability |
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| 12:09.05 | zeeflo | they should have just put 2 nics in them, give 1 nic the public access and the other nic the internal access in the switch! |
| 12:09.27 | zeeflo | stupid dutch..... |
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| 12:10.34 | movl | o.o |
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| 12:11.07 | zeeflo | ive been busting my head all day trying to figure out why they would crossover the servers.. |
| 12:11.16 | zeeflo | Its good to know I am not the moron! |
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| 12:13.09 | jair | hello guys, I am following an example for sub-domain virtual hosting but my site is not working. here is the configuration details what am I missing or have to remove? http://paste.debian.net/13907/ |
| 12:13.19 | jair | I am using apache2 and debian wheezy |
| 12:14.35 | zeeflo | jair |
| 12:14.38 | jair | at the moment www.plumswap.com virtual host is working just fine. But the other two virtual hosts domains I configured are not... test.plumswap.com and dev.plumswap.com am I missing a symlink or something? |
| 12:14.43 | jair | zeeflo: hello there |
| 12:14.44 | zeeflo | thats hardly going to cut it |
| 12:15.06 | zeeflo | you need a directory variable as well |
| 12:15.37 | zeeflo | your document root is not the same as a directory/ and should not be treated as such |
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| 12:15.55 | zeeflo | let me show you an example |
| 12:16.00 | alimj | Just for information: Regarding the previous Crossover discussion. It is really stupid these days. All Gigabite Ethernet interfaces support Auto-MIDX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Dependent_Interface#Auto-MDIX |
| 12:16.21 | jair | zeeflo: please I will take a look and see if I understand what is missing. |
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| 12:18.39 | zeeflo | jair, http://pastebin.com/MZSgqEsd a vhost should look something like this |
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| 12:21.25 | jair | zeeflo: I see, I removed all the other directives and left just the configuration information I pasted. I will add those details and update the files respectively, then reload the apache2 server. Hold on please :) |
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| 12:22.05 | msl09 | Is there a way to set a default session in slim? |
| 12:22.52 | abrotman | msl09: if nothing else, use update-alternatives I'd think |
| 12:23.54 | jair | zeeflo: although in your example you are working with the "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default" file correct? in my case I created a new file for each virtual host, is that OK? for example I have "/etc/apache2/sites-available/www.plumswap.com" - "/etc/apache2/sites-available/dev.plumswap.com" etc... |
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| 12:24.50 | jair | zeeflo: then run e2ensite to each file www. dev and test. plumswap.com |
| 12:24.51 | zeeflo | yes, jair, that is how I do my apache setup. I leave default (000-default) for /var/www and then I create vhost files such as; subdomain.domain.com and so on |
| 12:24.55 | zeeflo | yes |
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| 12:25.10 | jair | zeeflo: sounds good I am understanding now |
| 12:25.27 | movl | zeeflo, I forgot , alimj is right: there are rare cases where crossover is needed |
| 12:26.15 | zeeflo | movl, OK.. But then I need to understand what it is I am supposed to do to make all servers a part of the same VLAN when crosscables are used.. |
| 12:26.47 | zeeflo | because like I said, to my understanding; cross cabling only works in between 2 machines, not 6. |
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| 12:27.24 | movl | yes, you understand correctly |
| 12:27.43 | movl | well, a switch would be a good start :) |
| 12:28.02 | zeeflo | They might be on a switch, but I hardly think so, because ethtool reports NO link for the NIC's that should be used for internal data transfer.. |
| 12:28.29 | zeeflo | i only get a link on the NIC thats actually connected to a switch port and have public access.. |
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| 12:29.26 | zeeflo | Summa summarum, if they offered me to interconnected all 6 servers, and they just threw in crossover cables from a to b, b to c, c to d etc.. then they failed! ;) |
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| 12:31.33 | movl | I'd ask them what were they thinking |
| 12:31.48 | zeeflo | I have kind of asked that, but very nicely! |
| 12:31.59 | zeeflo | "If all servers are cross cabled as such: A <-> B <-> C <-> D <-> F <-> G, then I would kindly ask how I am supposed to set up the internal IP and netmasking so that e.g. G can communicate wih e.g. B, and not just F...." |
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| 12:33.56 | jair | zeeflo: how does this look? after reading your example I applied to my situation, thanks in advance; http://paste.debian.net/13915/ |
| 12:34.16 | zeeflo | jair, looks fine |
| 12:34.37 | zeeflo | jair, just be sure if you need -Indexes of just Indexes |
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| 12:35.16 | jair | let me try to reload the site see if it works, the reason why i am commenting out the logs is because I am using a the new custom log format to get the name of the virtual host indicated in the log |
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| 12:35.41 | zeeflo | you test without reloading apach |
| 12:35.45 | zeeflo | apache* |
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| 12:36.19 | jair | zeeflo: OK let me try without reloading, also I am not getting your comment about -Indexes vs Indexes |
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| 12:36.54 | zeeflo | if you run "apachectl -t" apache will check all your configurations |
| 12:37.04 | jair | zeeflo: ok |
| 12:37.05 | zeeflo | it should produce a SYNTAX OK |
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| 12:38.09 | zeeflo | if you use -Indexes you disallow indexing of directories. If you use Indexes, you allow visitors to view contents of your directories. |
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| 12:38.41 | zeeflo | as far as i can remember.. |
| 12:39.19 | jair | zeeflo: getting this error :( http://paste.debian.net/13918/ |
| 12:39.27 | zeeflo | you can also just leave out the whole indexing part if you want people to be able to view contents of your web directories. |
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| 12:39.56 | zeeflo | then you have an error in your dev.plumswap.com vhost file |
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| 12:40.40 | jair | zeeflo: I think I want to disallow Indexing, so will give it a try when I get it working for still is not working :( |
| 12:41.01 | jair | zeeflo: I am just testing dev for now. But if you try to access you will see is not working :( |
| 12:41.02 | zeeflo | you need a forward slash after the directory |
| 12:41.18 | zeeflo | <Directory /var/www/dev.plumswap.com> should be <Directory /var/www/dev.plumswap.com/> |
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| 12:41.52 | zeeflo | also, make sure that /var/www/dev.plumswap.com/ excists and is owned by www-data (or your apache user) |
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| 12:42.28 | zeeflo | chown www-data:www-data /var/www/dev.plumswap.com/ -R |
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| 12:43.13 | jair | zeeflo: Ohhh ok let me correct that. and test again :) |
| 12:43.24 | zeeflo | I can see plumswap.com |
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| 12:43.30 | zeeflo | my first PHP script |
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| 12:43.53 | zeeflo | dev.plumswap.com i cannot |
| 12:44.01 | jair | zeeflo: hold on working on the changes now :) |
| 12:44.20 | zeeflo | unknown host dev.plumswap.com |
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| 12:44.30 | zeeflo | have you set up dns for that subdomain? |
| 12:45.49 | zeeflo | also. the command apache -t should not be following by dev.plumswap.com |
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| 12:45.58 | zeeflo | you should just run "apachectl -t" |
| 12:46.05 | zeeflo | it will then test all your configs. |
| 12:46.25 | jair | root@apache1:/etc/apache2/sites-available# apachectl -t |
| 12:46.26 | jair | Syntax OK |
| 12:46.58 | zeeflo | good |
| 12:46.59 | jair | but running it directly to the files e.g. www. or dev. or test.plumswap.com is not working :( |
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| 12:48.02 | zeeflo | apachectl -t checks all your enabled modules and vhosts and configs.. |
| 12:48.10 | zeeflo | so if you get a syntax ok, youre good to go |
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| 12:49.01 | zeeflo | you do, however, need to set dns for dev.plumswap.com |
| 12:49.09 | zeeflo | this you do with your registrar. |
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| 12:49.24 | zeeflo | its called an A record |
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| 12:49.54 | crane_work | hi, is it normal that empathy doesn't saves my alias settings for my accounts? i'm running wheezy |
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| 12:53.22 | jair | zeeflo: A record or just an cname is enough? please take a look at what I have on these apache sites-available directory: http://paste.debian.net/13922/ |
| 12:53.35 | zeeflo | cname is enough |
| 12:53.48 | jair | zeeflo: about the registrar I already have the cnames for test. dev. and www. |
| 12:54.22 | zeeflo | jair, perhaps. All I can tell you is that dev cannot be resolved. |
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| 12:54.27 | jair | zeeflo: I think the problem I am having is on the default file and the other files not working together, I think I have additional files I don't need... |
| 12:54.36 | zeeflo | sites available are not the same as sites enabled |
| 12:54.50 | zeeflo | you need to "a2enssite domain.com" |
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| 12:55.14 | jair | zeeflo: hmm please do a dig on the names dev.plumswap.com and test.plumswap.com you will see they are pointing to the right location |
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| 12:56.51 | zeeflo | I get no NS for dev and test |
| 12:56.57 | zeeflo | i only get for www |
| 12:57.47 | yeenoghu | did you increment the serial? |
| 12:58.06 | yeenoghu | oh wait. sorry. Context, I got it nwo |
| 12:59.03 | jair | yeenoghu: is that refered to me? |
| 12:59.52 | jair | zeeflo: I see hmm is that because of something missing on dns? registrar may not be ready yet updated on the internet propagated? |
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| 13:00.12 | zeeflo | it could be that it is not propagated yet |
| 13:00.18 | zeeflo | atleast not to europe |
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| 13:01.23 | zeeflo | are dev and test located on the same IP as www ? |
| 13:02.02 | zeeflo | ah.. |
| 13:02.04 | zeeflo | forget it |
| 13:02.09 | zeeflo | im digging plumShot |
| 13:02.16 | zeeflo | its plumswap |
| 13:02.19 | jair | hahaha |
| 13:02.30 | jair | yes, check this: http://paste.debian.net/13924/ |
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| 13:03.11 | jair | looks like www. is the only one with, answer and authority ns server |
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| 13:04.03 | zeeflo | your cname points to itself? dev.plumswap.com.527INCNAMEdev.plumswap.com. |
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| 13:05.07 | zeeflo | a cname should point from 1 domain to another |
| 13:05.17 | yeenoghu | jair, no. was thinking zeeflo was updating a zone file manually, didn't read context |
| 13:05.20 | zeeflo | also, if you use cname, you dont need the vhost.. |
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| 13:06.04 | yeenoghu | oh wait. it's jair doing it. Too much going on at work, I'll close this window now <.< |
| 13:06.27 | zeeflo | if you use a cname, then you would redirect e.g. dev.plumswap.com to www.plumswap.com |
| 13:06.37 | jair | awww |
| 13:06.46 | zeeflo | you cannot redirect dev.plumswap.com to dev.plumswap.com |
| 13:06.50 | zeeflo | it would be an infinate loop |
| 13:06.51 | jair | right |
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| 13:07.00 | zeeflo | nobody would ever reach your webserver.. |
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| 13:07.56 | jair | zeeflo: hahaha so to solve the issue I need to fix the sites-available file for all three -> dev. www. and test. or just remove the cnames on the registrar site? |
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| 13:08.13 | zeeflo | the correct way to do it would be to create an A record for your subdomains/domains.. |
| 13:08.23 | zeeflo | just remove the cnames |
| 13:08.28 | zeeflo | and create a records instead |
| 13:08.31 | jair | zeeflo: i think the registrar needs the cname correct? but I need to correct the files on sites-available? |
| 13:08.50 | zeeflo | why would your registrar need the cname? |
| 13:08.53 | jair | zeeflo: ahhh Ok let me do that |
| 13:09.23 | zeeflo | you create an A record with: subdomain -> IP |
| 13:09.34 | jair | zeeflo: I have not idea I am trying to understand how all this works still, takes me a while but once I understand it everything will be so easy |
| 13:09.43 | zeeflo | are you on a windows machine? |
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| 13:09.58 | jair | zeeflo: i did create just cnames I will change that and create A records |
| 13:10.22 | daniel-s_ | hi |
| 13:10.22 | zeeflo | I can help you over teamviewer if youd like.. |
| 13:10.23 | jair | zeeflo: Please don't offend ;-( |
| 13:10.58 | jair | zeeflo: also teamviewer works for linux I use it all the time with debian :) |
| 13:10.59 | zeeflo | no offending here, just asking so I could offer my help over teamviewer |
| 13:11.04 | zeeflo | i do too |
| 13:11.14 | zeeflo | let me know if you want it over TV |
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| 13:11.45 | jair | OK let me give it a try in the registrar, the configuration on the files are looking fine right? |
| 13:11.53 | zeeflo | yes, your vhosts are fine |
| 13:12.28 | jair | zeeflo: I really appreciate your help and willingness to go beyond :) give me a minute to try fix the configuration first, the offense comment was a joke |
| 13:12.33 | zeeflo | also, bring it to a PM.. This really isnt debian related ;) |
| 13:12.44 | jair | zeeflo: sounds good |
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| 13:20.06 | iceroot | hi, coming from ubuntu and now want to install debian. on ubuntu it was possible with the installer to encrypt /home (which is not an extra partition), there was /home/username/.private which gets mounted to /home/username after i logged in. is this also a prefered way in debian? or how to encrypt /home in debian? |
| 13:20.48 | iceroot | i saw "encrypt complete disc" in the installer but maybe that will make the system to slow so i just wanted to encrypt /home and swap |
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| 13:22.57 | zeeflo | iceroot, then just create an encrypted partition for those two |
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| 13:23.44 | iceroot | zeeflo: i dont want /home on an extra partition |
| 13:24.16 | iceroot | /home/michael/.Private 220G 189G 20G 91% /home/michael but /home is still part of the / partition and not an extra partition |
| 13:24.44 | iceroot | but i dont know if that technic is ubuntu-specific because i cant find something like that in the debian installer |
| 13:25.26 | iceroot | http://paste.debian.net/13929/ |
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| 13:26.47 | bitgeek | I just followed a tutorial to setup apache2, php5, mysql5 and phpmyadmin, all work except on localhost/phpmyadmin I can only see their logo and now login screen. Anyone here know something about phpmyadmin? |
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| 13:27.02 | zeeflo | iceroot, sorry I cant help you with that.. It would be to encrypt a dir only.. |
| 13:27.11 | bitgeek | #phpmyadmin doesn't seem to have a lot of user online |
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| 13:27.17 | zeeflo | I know only how to encrypt disks or partitions |
| 13:27.32 | iceroot | zeeflo: no problem, thank you for having a look on it |
| 13:28.40 | iceroot | if i encrypt / i need an extra /boot partition which is not encrytped so that the system can boot and asking for a password to access /? |
| 13:28.45 | hiyo | I have my own python program which I want to make into a deb and get it into the Debian repo, how could I do this? |
| 13:28.55 | zeeflo | yes iceroot. dont encrypt boot |
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| 13:29.34 | zeeflo | besides, noone can gain access to an encrypted partition just because boot is not encrypted |
| 13:30.07 | iceroot | so i would need at least / /boot and swap and encrypt / and swap do i also have to build a customize ramdisc which will be booted to be able to ask for a password for / or can grub itself do something like that? |
| 13:30.40 | zeeflo | you dont boot from / |
| 13:30.46 | iceroot | i boot from /boot |
| 13:30.52 | zeeflo | you boot from /boot which is a partition in itself |
| 13:30.53 | iceroot | but need to access / after boot |
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| 13:31.07 | iceroot | but where is the "please enter your password" coming from? |
| 13:31.13 | iceroot | from grub? which is in /boot |
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| 13:31.19 | zeeflo | yes |
| 13:31.24 | zeeflo | grub is stored in boot |
| 13:31.32 | zeeflo | same as in ubuntu |
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| 13:31.39 | iceroot | so i dont have to customize a ramdisc because grub itself has the "please enter your password" |
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| 13:31.48 | iceroot | to access / |
| 13:32.32 | zeeflo | this should work for you iceroot |
| 13:32.33 | zeeflo | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze |
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| 13:32.49 | jelly | iceroot: it's not grub that sets up the encryption layer -- it's early userspace, initramfs |
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| 13:33.06 | iceroot | zeeflo: i will have a look, thank you. i will also setup a vm and test the "encrypt the complete partition" from the installer to understand how it is working |
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| 13:33.28 | iceroot | jelly: and do i need to customize the initramfs? or is debian doing it for me when i encrypt /? |
| 13:33.34 | jelly | iceroot: if you use LUKS / dm-crypt / cryptsetup, debian will usually set up the initramfs correctly |
| 13:33.41 | iceroot | jelly: thank you |
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| 13:34.11 | jelly | if you set it up manually, make sure you have a valid /etc/crypttab before recreating initramfs |
| 13:35.16 | garulf | hi guys, problem configuring my synpatics touchpad. Tapping isn't working, loading psmouse with proto=imps fix the tapping but broke the scrolling.. |
| 13:35.45 | garulf | for what I see in my xorg logs it load evdev driver even if xserver-xorg-input-synpatics is installed |
| 13:35.46 | iceroot | suspend-to-ram is working when encrypting / and /swap? so i just have to relogin again in gdm/lightdm or whatever debian is using |
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| 13:37.30 | wolfez | How to set debian on a usb |
| 13:37.35 | wolfez | With cp? |
| 13:37.57 | jelly | iceroot: suspend-to-ram does not affect the contents of ram. |
| 13:38.10 | jelly | (so, yes, that's correct) |
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| 13:38.31 | wolfez | ? |
| 13:39.04 | iceroot | jelly: thank you for the useful infos. guess i will now start installing debian and will do some testing if i can migrate from ubuntu to debian with most of the same functions :) |
| 13:39.06 | jelly | iceroot: I suspend the (fully encrypted) desktop at home every night and resume the next day |
| 13:39.43 | jelly | so if someone breaks in, they can still read my data, but if they unplug the machine and take it away, that's it |
| 13:39.59 | wolfez | jelly: How to set debian on a usb |
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| 13:40.08 | garulf | jelly: if the don't freeze the ram :) |
| 13:40.09 | garulf | they* |
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| 13:40.37 | jelly | garulf: I'm in a lot of trouble anyway if someone with those capabilities wants to do that. |
| 13:40.38 | garulf | jelly: or do a cold-boot attack, I think pc si always more secure unplugged.. |
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| 13:40.45 | iceroot | jelly: i guess the bigger problem is remote-spy (PRISM) instead of stealing the pc but because i have important customer-data on the pc and the policie says, encrypt them i will have to use some kind of encryption |
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| 13:41.16 | jelly | wolfez: sorry, I'm going to let someone else answer that. |
| 13:41.24 | wolfez | jelly: Why? |
| 13:41.46 | iceroot | wolfez: install on usb or make a bootable install media? |
| 13:42.19 | garulf | iceroot: well.. if (PRISM) uses some kind of malware they can still steal your data even if using hd encryption |
| 13:42.19 | wolfez | making a bootable install medie |
| 13:42.21 | wolfez | media |
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| 13:42.52 | iceroot | wolfez: i am not sure if debian has hyprid isos but normally "dd" will work, so "dd" the iso to the usb drive |
| 13:42.55 | jelly | wolfez: I'm a volunteer, doing this in some free time and choose the questions to answer to match my experience. |
| 13:43.18 | jelly | !usb install |
| 13:43.19 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 13:43.24 | iceroot | garulf: true |
| 13:43.36 | garulf | iceroot: because apps in userspace can still read the data, you should use file encryption instead (or combined with hd enc) |
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| 13:44.02 | brontosaurusrex | iceroot, what garulf said |
| 13:44.20 | brontosaurusrex | iceroot, the data should be available explicitly when you call it |
| 13:44.29 | iceroot | garulf: i guess i would have a look at both, the very important things are encrypted already as a file and i will also do a / or /home encryption (not sure about it now) |
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| 13:45.24 | garulf | iceroot: yes and understand well which protects to which attack |
| 13:46.15 | iceroot | garulf: because of that i am doing some testing with suspend-to-*, mounting the hdd on another machine and so on. its always fun to learn something new |
| 13:46.56 | f10 | iceroot: http://youtu.be/Z9pn2PYbDdA |
| 13:46.56 | wolfez | jelly: I dit it with cp? |
| 13:46.57 | iceroot | but full encryption on a cpu which does not support hardware aes is not that nice... maybe 20MByte/s |
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| 13:47.11 | wolfez | another time |
| 13:47.16 | iceroot | f10: thank you |
| 13:47.18 | wolfez | but i dont know anymore how |
| 13:47.39 | hiyo | iceroot: If you wish to protect yourself against the NSA spying you should instead focus of having encrypted communications instead of storage, not saying that storage isn't important, but the NSA gathers most of their data from information over the internet |
| 13:48.11 | f10 | iceroot: actually quite simple... btw. I always use suspend to disk.. works even with a swap file |
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| 13:48.57 | f10 | iceroot: http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation/Hibernate_Without_Swap_Partition |
| 13:49.05 | jelly | iceroot: I got 200MB/s on a desktop i3-540 with a vertex 3 ssd, 50-80% of a single core used. After upgrading the cpu to an aes-ni capable i5-660, gained 20MB/s more and maybe 5% of one core used. |
| 13:49.23 | iceroot | hiyo: if i got it correctly even https is not save when i use the pub-certs which where delivered with the browser because they are able to get the private-vert from the cert"manufacture" (dont know the english word) |
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| 13:49.50 | hiyo | iceroot: certificate authority? |
| 13:50.00 | iceroot | hiyo: yes :) |
| 13:50.06 | garulf | iceroot, jelly: is there the possibility to forget pass on suspend and to reask it again at the resume? |
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| 13:50.11 | jelly | iceroot: so much much of a difference. Those CPUs are 2009-2010, before sandybridge, so 2-2.5 generations back |
| 13:50.45 | jelly | not* so much. |
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| 13:51.02 | jelly | garulf: you'd have to use hibernate |
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| 13:51.10 | iceroot | jelly: on of the cpus is a intel atom which does not have AES support, another cpu is an amd cpu (like intel atom) without hardware aes and on a raid10 i get 20MByte/s on the encrypted part and 270MByte/s on the non encrypted part |
| 13:51.40 | jelly | iceroot: ouch. Atoms have shitty integer performance I guess. |
| 13:51.46 | garulf | iceroot: yes you should encrypt end-to-end your comunication, and leave ISP you don't trust (switching on autonomous mail provaider for eg) |
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| 13:52.02 | iceroot | garulf: i am my own mailprovider |
| 13:52.25 | iceroot | garulf: but mostly because i want the freedom to enable new features like imap-idle (which was not available some years ago) |
| 13:52.39 | iceroot | imap(s)-idle :) |
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| 13:52.53 | iceroot | sieve support and so on |
| 13:53.27 | garulf | iceroot: nice.. here http://weise7.org/tmp/the-cryptoparty-handbook_1.1.epub an overview over the most common tools to protect your comunications by the way |
| 13:54.11 | iceroot | garulf: thank you, i will have a look |
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| 13:55.36 | iceroot | oh very nice, seems like debian 7 is offering a gnome2 (fallback) mode on my vbox setup because i am missing 3d support. |
| 13:55.38 | hiyo | iceroot: http://prism-break.org |
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| 13:56.42 | hiyo | iceroot: many encrypted infrastructures such as bitmessage and to some extent RetroShare do not rely on the trust of certificate authorities |
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| 13:58.21 | iceroot | but i still have to transfer the keys |
| 13:58.33 | iceroot | and trust them |
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| 14:00.25 | hiyo | iceroot: well considering things like bitmessage are constructed in such a way to protect metadata of information as well and also RetroSahre is a Friend to Friend system |
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| 14:00.38 | hiyo | you do trust your friends don't you? |
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| 14:02.32 | iceroot | hiyo: of course but i have to transfer the keys over an unencrypted connection if i get it correctly |
| 14:02.58 | iceroot | like firefox/iceweasel is telling me "not trusted site, download the key" |
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| 14:03.57 | hiyo | iceroot: well with public key crypto that isn't a problem, you can send out your public key to everyone you know and they can't decrypt your info with that |
| 14:04.33 | iceroot | hiyo: like on pgp-mail i guess where i only need the pubkey and they can only encrypt i with there priv-key |
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| 14:06.13 | hiyo | iceroot: exactly there isn't a problem with key distribution |
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| 14:08.59 | DotHack | i am trying to use sed to match an escape sequense (in vi visible as ^[(s......) but sed ´s/\e/test/´ doest replace it... |
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| 14:10.54 | iceroot | die nice thing about FOSS is that it is possible to understand how somethiing is working. when i am aksing "could you tell me how skype is working, how my data is protected and so on" noone can give me an answer because noone is able to study it, thats why i like to use GNU/Linux and try to understand the system (its still very technical and not everything is clear to me) |
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| 14:11.10 | iceroot | s/die/the :) |
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| 14:12.17 | DotHack | ok got it sed ´s/\e/test´ doesnt work but sed ´s/\x1B/test/` does |
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| 14:12.47 | skope | i have vps from edis and it has 12G xfs filesystem mounted to /. can i use xfs_quota in that folder for users? i have set up defaults,uquota in /etc/fstab but when i run quotacheck -augvc it outputs "quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option." |
| 14:12.53 | Roenie | iceroot, i don't think most things are clear to anyone |
| 14:13.29 | iceroot | Roenie: the important thing is that it is transparent (even the debian ssl bug, or the hack of kernel.org) |
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| 14:15.27 | Roenie | while i like the idea of it, it doesn't matter to me at all, because i can't do anything with the information because it is too technical. the issue is that the user/admin is supposed to understand everything, which is simply not possible b/c the scope of the info on every aspect of linux is so vast |
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| 14:16.13 | Roenie | so in practise when things break i do the same thing i would do if i was running windows - fix it by working around the problem, not by patching the software |
| 14:16.32 | Roenie | and working around problems can actually be more tricky |
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| 14:16.56 | Roenie | because again, insane amounts of user knowledge is assumed |
| 14:17.34 | skope | apparently /etc/mtab says that / is noquota. how can i change that? |
| 14:17.45 | jdoles | Is OpenJDK supposed to be broken for relatively simple Java Applets? |
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| 14:19.59 | MarteX | not find users-admin on debian 7 x64 , me help ? |
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| 14:30.42 | multiHYP | hi |
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| 14:31.24 | multiHYP | is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian.png Genome3 on 7.1 and the default Windowing GUI, when installed from CD Images? |
| 14:32.04 | hke | seems about right |
| 14:32.27 | multiHYP | ok |
| 14:32.42 | multiHYP | how does lxde look like then? |
| 14:32.53 | multiHYP | is it just a different api? |
| 14:34.23 | Iridos | tias |
| 14:34.35 | multiHYP | never even heard of lxde before, saw it first in debian-7.1.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 14:35.10 | multiHYP | as opposed to ode, which again is irritating, because Genome3 supposed to be the one installed by default. |
| 14:35.14 | multiHYP | *kde |
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| 14:35.47 | Iridos | lxde has been around for ages, as far as I'm aware... can't remember if I ever tried it... think not |
| 14:36.01 | Iridos | dpkg, lxde |
| 14:36.01 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:36.41 | multiHYP | oh i see |
| 14:36.50 | multiHYP | so kde is not X11 compatible? |
| 14:37.08 | Iridos | guess "since lenny" kinda qualifies as "for ages", although it's only 3 releases back... oh well, lenny was released 2009 |
| 14:37.24 | Iridos | multiHYP, what? |
| 14:37.34 | multiHYP | 1 sec |
| 14:37.37 | multiHYP | phone |
| 14:37.39 | babilen | multiHYP: You should also look into XFCE and KDE for alternatives ... Apart from that there are a plethora of window manager (fluxbox, awesomewm, openbox, enlightenment, fvwm2, xmonad, ...) and some forks of Gnome 2 such as cinnamon. |
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| 14:37.52 | babilen | multiHYP: All of these run on top of Xorg |
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| 14:44.40 | Phage | how do I set up multiple accounts on my server? I mean, I have my own root account but I have a client which shall be to upload things to only one folder. How do I do that? |
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| 14:47.05 | nkuttler | Phage: um, start with adduser.. you shouldn't use the root account by default anyway.. |
| 14:47.20 | mortal1 | if i wanted to execute .bash_profile from .bashrc, how would i do that? |
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| 14:47.27 | Phage | Yeah I'm looking into adduser now |
| 14:47.42 | Phage | but how do I limit that users access to only one folder? |
| 14:47.46 | mortal1 | reason being, I think screen only executes .bashrc |
| 14:47.58 | nkuttler | Phage: permissions |
| 14:48.16 | nkuttler | Phage: by default he should only be able to upload to his home anyway.. |
| 14:48.24 | Phage | okay, thank you :) |
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| 14:48.27 | Phage | I'll try that out. |
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| 14:48.55 | nkuttler | Phage: but if you ask so basic questions you might be expecting something like ftp is installed.. which is not by default |
| 14:49.17 | Phage | I don't need ftp |
| 14:49.24 | babilen | Phage: Do users have local/physical access? |
| 14:49.27 | Phage | I will use scp instead and that is installed |
| 14:49.36 | Phage | No, it's a VPS |
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| 14:49.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Phage about rssh |
| 14:50.14 | babilen | Phage: Not sure if that is what you want/need but it might suit your requirements |
| 14:50.37 | Phage | Yeah that should do that trick actually |
| 14:50.38 | Phage | :) |
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| 14:51.00 | Phage | I dunno how it works though |
| 14:51.09 | babilen | Phage: magic! |
| 14:51.13 | Phage | Lol |
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| 14:52.10 | jelly | and friendship. |
| 14:52.28 | mortal1 | can someone tell me how to get screen to execute .bashrc and .bash_profile for each screen shell? |
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| 14:54.12 | babilen | mortal1: I have a standard .bash_profile such as http://paste.debian.net/13944/ here |
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| 14:57.55 | antivirtel | hi, is here someone who has expirience with avidemux2_cli? |
| 14:58.58 | macrobat | antivirtel: just ask, someone might know |
| 14:59.17 | antivirtel | ok macrobat |
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| 15:01.39 | antivirtel | 2 questions about avidemux2_cli command line interface control: How can I use the --save-jpg <fname> option on a specific time/frame? |
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| 15:02.42 | antivirtel | Is the --video-codec Xvid4 works? It always leaves it in AVC :( |
| 15:02.53 | multiHYP | sorry |
| 15:02.56 | multiHYP | was on the phone |
| 15:03.11 | antivirtel | or is it written otherwise? I've got it from the manual |
| 15:04.05 | multiHYP | babilen: so lxde and kde are the X11 side support of whatever window manager is running? |
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| 15:04.10 | babilen | no |
| 15:04.30 | multiHYP | kde is competing with Genome though |
| 15:05.02 | multiHYP | hm |
| 15:05.04 | hke | they are alternatives, not competitors; stop namedropping |
| 15:05.18 | multiHYP | ok |
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| 15:05.45 | multiHYP | I’m not namedropping, these are the mess I’m dealing with when i want to install a debian release! |
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| 15:05.59 | babilen | multiHYP: X11 is the graphical system and takes care of supporting your graphic hardware, keyboard, mouse, tablet, ... On top of that you'll find window managers which are programs that take care of, well, managing windows. They allow you to draw windows, arrange them by workspaces and such things. Desktop Environments sit on top of that and provide the whole, well, Environment that is integrated. |
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| 15:06.30 | multiHYP | ok now which is which? |
| 15:06.33 | babilen | multiHYP: You can easily switch between different window managers and desktop environments later as you can install them side-by-side. |
| 15:06.48 | hke | read up on those things, just because you can look under the hood doesnt mean whats under there is easy to understand |
| 15:06.59 | babilen | multiHYP: Gnome, XFCE, KDE and LXDE are all desktop environments. |
| 15:07.07 | multiHYP | oh ok |
| 15:07.17 | hke | lxde for example is a desktop environment built around a window manager: openbox |
| 15:07.30 | phlux | Wow, minbig has a lot of dependencies. Has anyone used it and prefer it over bitlbee? |
| 15:07.34 | phlux | minbif, even |
| 15:07.34 | multiHYP | so desktop environments but not window managers? |
| 15:07.35 | babilen | multiHYP: I would recommend to take a look at their website and just install whatever appeals to you the most. |
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| 15:08.02 | multiHYP | Genome is just great, but the vast options sometimes irritate. |
| 15:08.12 | hke | then ignore them :) |
| 15:08.20 | babilen | phlux: Don't you get the entire pidgin stack with it (libpurple that is) ? |
| 15:08.24 | multiHYP | well i don’t want to miss out :) |
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| 15:08.48 | multiHYP | babilen: is tex (for document editing/writing) included in one of those isos? |
| 15:08.50 | babilen | multiHYP: As I said: You can easily install them *all* later and give them a try. |
| 15:09.02 | phlux | babilen: That looks to be the case. I'm doing this on one of my servers, but I use Gentoo locally because I can't stand having dependencies that I'll never use for anything else. |
| 15:09.03 | babilen | multiHYP: Don't you have a working internet connection? |
| 15:09.09 | multiHYP | i know, but i am taking them to a hard to get to internet place. |
| 15:09.22 | multiHYP | so I’m preparing a lot almost half blindly. |
| 15:09.36 | rudi | hey guys, i am having some issues sending mails to hotmail with postfix, where can I get some help or is there any channel? |
| 15:09.49 | babilen | phlux: Which dependencies in particular are you surprised about? Did you try installing without recommends if you are constrained in disk space or something? |
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| 15:10.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell multiHYP -about cd content |
| 15:10.10 | echelon | is stew no longer a maintainer? |
| 15:10.15 | mtn | rudi: if it is a debian problem, here is good. if it is a hotmail problem, this isn't the right place. |
| 15:10.30 | multiHYP | great cheers |
| 15:10.33 | phlux | babilen: It's not really a disk space issue, it's just a justification issue. I honestly haven't even read through them all - I was just surprised at the huge list I got after running 'aptitude install minbif' |
| 15:10.33 | hke | and its probably a postfix problem |
| 15:10.39 | echelon | anyway |
| 15:10.58 | phlux | babilen: but if it's really worth the swap from bitlbee, I'll get over it |
| 15:10.58 | echelon | does debian have anything for .deb like they have .srpm's for .rpm's? |
| 15:11.09 | babilen | multiHYP: But in general you just configure your computer to download packages from online repositories when you install new software. The CD/DVD/BD sets in their entirety contain *all* packages in Debian, but as most people have internet access they are rarely needed. |
| 15:11.18 | rudi | mtn, i get a 250 qued mail for delivery, it can be dns, postfix or even hotmail just behing an... |
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| 15:12.05 | babilen | echelon: What do "they" (who is that?) have for .srpm for .rpm ? |
| 15:12.09 | mtn | rudi: I don't use postfix, maybe someone will jump in and help. |
| 15:12.10 | multiHYP | yes, i wish there was an alternative. but hopefully it works out fine with me running a 32bit system offline for a while. still, better than windows. |
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| 15:12.37 | Phage | The command to create new user groups? |
| 15:12.38 | babilen | multiHYP: So you will have no internet access for that system? |
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| 15:12.45 | Phage | I have tried useradd -G usergroup |
| 15:12.46 | babilen | Phage: addgroup |
| 15:12.49 | multiHYP | no |
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| 15:13.04 | skilz | Linux quicksilver 3.2.0-4-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 15:13.12 | babilen | Phage: And don't use useradd but adduser .. the former really shouldn't be used unless you know you want to. |
| 15:13.19 | multiHYP | well i might have internet access overall, but that would be payperGB and hard to figure out with that pc. |
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| 15:13.36 | Phage | The thing is that adduser doens't work -.- |
| 15:13.39 | Phage | only useradd |
| 15:13.48 | Phage | same goes for addgroup |
| 15:13.49 | babilen | multiHYP: Okay, in that case I would recommend to download/burn the DVD images and have them ready. |
| 15:13.56 | echelon | babilen: redhat/fedora/centos/whatever other rpm-based there are out there.. it's not exactly an important detail |
| 15:13.57 | babilen | Phage: Doesn't work? |
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| 15:14.09 | echelon | they have this thing called source rpm's |
| 15:14.20 | echelon | i just wanted to know if there was an equivalent for deb packages |
| 15:14.20 | babilen | echelon: Ah, sure .. Debian has source packages. |
| 15:14.25 | Phage | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 15:14.25 | Phage | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 15:14.25 | Phage | LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 15:14.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell echelon about source package |
| 15:14.27 | Phage | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 15:14.28 | multiHYP | yes |
| 15:14.29 | Phage | LANG = "da_DK.UTF-8" |
| 15:14.30 | babilen | !paste |
| 15:14.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:14.31 | Phage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.33 | Phage | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 15:14.33 | babilen | Phage: ^^^ |
| 15:14.35 | Phage | addgroup: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 15:14.37 | Phage | babilen^ |
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| 15:14.52 | babilen | Phage: Please do not paste into the channel |
| 15:15.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell echelon about deb-src |
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| 15:16.15 | echelon | babilen: thanks.. it doesn't use ant does it? |
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| 15:17.06 | echelon | well, i'm looking to write my own build script |
| 15:17.20 | babilen | echelon: I typically use "debcheckout $PKG" to get hold of the packaging. It will clone the packaging repository if it is available or simply download the source package. And no, Debian source packages don't use ant. Well, we can build software that uses ant, but our build system is not based on ant. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ for a short introduction to Debian packaging. |
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| 15:18.40 | babilen | Phage: You seem to have problems with your locale configuration and might want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to ensure that all locales you use are generated (da_DK.UTF-8 in particular) |
| 15:19.08 | babilen | Phage: Furthermore please paste output and commands you have problems with (if more than two (2 !) lines) to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:19.45 | Phage | babilen; I will do that in about ten mintes |
| 15:19.52 | Phage | have something I have to take care of first |
| 15:19.55 | babilen | Great, thank you. :-D |
| 15:20.17 | echelon | babilen: alright, thanks |
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| 15:25.41 | HAL_32bit_HT | What is the current stable distro name? |
| 15:25.47 | hke | wheezy |
| 15:25.56 | HAL_32bit_HT | Thanks |
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| 15:26.26 | trever | hai, there is an other patch for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712926 because this bothered me: https://gist.github.com/sebastianwagner/5910174 have fun(i don't like this e-mail-stuff, so i won't attach it to this bugreport) |
| 15:27.03 | HAL_32bit_HT | Is Debian moving away from genome classic |
| 15:27.18 | antivirtel | hi, 2 questions about Avidemux CLI: Is there multiple audio track support? if yes - how to solve it in CLI? | What is that B frame safe mode, when you can lost the frame accuracy?! |
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| 15:29.39 | babilen | Phage: Please just keep it in the channel - That way other people can help too! :) |
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| 15:29.51 | Phage | Okay :) |
| 15:30.08 | Phage | Okay when I ran dpkg-reconfigure I got this: |
| 15:30.08 | Phage | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/148eef8c/ |
| 15:30.11 | hke | HAL_32bit_HT: debian will install gnome, if your hardware cant cope with 3d mode, it will fallback to fallback mode |
| 15:30.43 | HAL_32bit_HT | Ok |
| 15:30.45 | HAL_32bit_HT | Nice |
| 15:30.49 | babilen | Phage: Please run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure you generate all locales you need :) |
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| 15:31.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell HAL_32bit_HT -about install debian |
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| 15:33.41 | Phage | I generated the locales, but I get the same error when doing dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 15:35.14 | babilen | Phage: Could you how me? |
| 15:35.17 | babilen | *show |
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| 15:36.26 | Phage | How? teamviewer or what are you talking about? |
| 15:36.43 | babilen | Phage: And were were working on your statement "The thing is that adduser doens't work -.-" -- I simply pointed out that you should run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as it looks as if you have locale issues. |
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| 15:37.37 | babilen | I'll have to leave now though, so somebody else will have to help you with your adduser problem. The error message earlier seems to indicate that you called it with too many arguments. You might want to read "man adduser" in its entirety to learn how to use that tool. |
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| 15:39.28 | HAL_32bit_HT | What version of Firefox is in Debian latest stable |
| 15:39.47 | jelly | HAL_32bit_HT: none, but |
| 15:39.51 | jelly | ,v iceweasel |
| 15:39.52 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.7esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.7esr-1; experimental: 22.0-1 |
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| 15:40.10 | jelly | HAL_32bit_HT: 17.0.7 ESR |
| 15:40.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell HAL_32bit_HT about why iceweasel |
| 15:40.48 | netlar | Is Weezy using gnome 3.8? |
| 15:40.56 | jelly | netlar: 3.4 |
| 15:41.12 | Hydroxide | ooh, didn't realize stable security team upgraded versions for mozilla derivatives this soon after a stable release. I guess it makes sense given when 10 ESR went EOL, but still different than usual |
| 15:41.21 | Hydroxide | *and given how complex of a beast mozilla products can be |
| 15:41.21 | netlar | Can you get 3.8? |
| 15:41.24 | peterrooney | HAL_32bit_HT: you can find out versions with apt-cache show <package> |
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| 15:43.01 | hke | Hydroxide: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 15:43.13 | jelly | Hydroxide: this happened in, I think, Debian 4 or 5 as well. The distro got too old, there was no way forward but to pick a major new version of firefox. |
| 15:43.49 | Hydroxide | jelly: yeah I know, just not two months after release. it's a reasonable tradeoff, just unpredecented this soon after. I'm merely surprised, not disagreeing |
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| 15:44.51 | jelly | at least they're not pretending they can backport all the fixes |
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| 15:48.00 | netlar | But I can get gnome 3.8 in Jessie right? |
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| 15:49.56 | hke | netlar: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-shell |
| 15:50.46 | netlar | hke: thanks |
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| 15:55.36 | jelly | Hydroxide: it's going to be fun when 17 ESR gets EOLd in a couple months as well ;-) |
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| 15:55.53 | HAL_32bit_HT | Does Debian come with Firefox or icewezel as stock in the stable Debian current |
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| 15:57.55 | jelly | HAL_32bit_HT: loot at what Judd bot said about "wheezy" and "wheezy-security", above. This means the installation images have an older version, but if you have internet connectivity at installation time the up-to-date 17.0.7 ESR will be pulled in and used. |
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| 15:59.05 | x2_4_16_256 | HAL: Debian comes with iceweasel as stock. It is possible to install firefox but it is a bit of a pain |
| 15:59.29 | HAL_32bit_HT | Ok thanks |
| 15:59.56 | HAL_32bit_HT | I am going to up a rig together for Debian |
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| 16:00.56 | HAL_32bit_HT | Debian I feel is a very good among the linux distros |
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| 16:04.35 | netlar | Think I need help with my graphics driver in debian 7 |
| 16:04.46 | netlar | Just did a fresh install |
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| 16:05.24 | netlar | Tells me that gnome 3 failed to load because i may not have right graphics driver |
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| 16:06.54 | kristjan77 | Has anyone used TV-cards under Linux for recording from camera? I have a such card: http://shop.itr.bg/picture-50003428-a/WinTV-34514-rev.-E147-%D0%90-%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81-PAL-BG-TV-Tunner-PCI.jpg I'm aware that it supports recording over the S-video input. Should I have an analog camera which supports video output over S-video? |
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| 16:20.19 | tx | Hey guys, anyone wanna try and help me figure out why my wired network adapter doesn't want to work? :P |
| 16:20.28 | tx | It comes up, and will detect changes in the links state |
| 16:20.35 | tx | but it won't send or receive data. |
| 16:20.36 | jancsika | hello. does debian have protection against rewind attacks, which is a mirror that decides to serve up old versions of packages instead of the newest ones? |
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| 16:21.17 | jhutchins | netlar: What chipset? |
| 16:21.21 | jhutchins | tx: What chipset? |
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| 16:21.38 | tx | ICH9. 82801I |
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| 16:22.04 | lenswipe | n |
| 16:22.07 | tx | Controller is an 82567LM GBe |
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| 16:22.10 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:22.25 | lenswipe | can someone help? I'm having problems printing to a cups/samba printer from debian |
| 16:22.33 | lenswipe | Im getting a message about dnssd |
| 16:22.40 | lenswipe | "/usr/lib/cups/backend/dnssd failed"" apparently |
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| 16:24.21 | netlar | jhutchins: The video card is a Radeon 7750 |
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| 16:32.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can somebody recommend a dvd creting software? |
| 16:32.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | creating |
| 16:32.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got the mpgs i just need something that makes a dang decent dvd |
| 16:32.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | varsha is givng me crap dvds. i dont know why |
| 16:32.55 | Roenie | k3b? |
| 16:32.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am wondeinrg if its dvdauthor screwing up |
| 16:33.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | k3b makes dvds? |
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| 16:33.25 | abrotman | brasero ? |
| 16:33.26 | Roenie | oh *that* kind of dvd making |
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| 16:33.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | the kind you can put in a dvd player for a T.V... |
| 16:33.48 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: did you search package descriptions>/ |
| 16:33.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:33.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | no.. |
| 16:34.01 | abrotman | good place tos tart, right ? |
| 16:34.04 | abrotman | to start |
| 16:34.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah going there next after i see if k3b can actually make a good dvd. |
| 16:34.57 | netlar | jhutchins: my system says it is using vesa: verde driver as a fallback |
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| 16:44.30 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 16:44.31 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 16:44.52 | jhutchins | tx: What manufacturer? |
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| 16:45.51 | netlar | jhutchins: XFX |
| 16:46.21 | jhutchins | netlar: I've really never heard of that brand or chipset. |
| 16:46.42 | netlar | ok |
| 16:46.46 | jhutchins | netlar: Try lspci -nn and post the 8character ID for the network card. |
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| 16:47.31 | netlar | 1002:683f |
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| 16:49.52 | netlar | I did a 'glxinfo | grep 'renderer string' and got back "OPENGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) |
| 16:50.07 | CissWit | xfx just produces nvidia and ati cards, you need to use the corresponding nvidia/ati driver |
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| 16:50.18 | netlar | jhutchins: does that mean I am using the Gallium driver? |
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| 16:51.33 | netlar | CissWit: So I do not use the Gallium driver? |
| 16:51.34 | jelly | netlar: that's a weird way to say "software renderer" |
| 16:51.59 | jelly | ... I think |
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| 16:56.18 | CissWit | i dont know anything about the gallium driver, if it suits for your card, the i guess you can use it |
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| 17:12.57 | protocol | Anyone know of a script that checks against a database (mysql, for example) against filenames on a file store and deletes files from the file store that are non-existent on the database? |
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| 17:13.30 | format_c | protocol, that sounds really custom |
| 17:13.43 | format_c | I think you need to put your own hands on |
| 17:14.15 | protocol | I'm thinking something like "mysql "select filename from files" | sort > a; find filestore -type f | sort > b; join -v 2 a b | xargs rm |
| 17:14.20 | protocol | But not sure if that's safe |
| 17:15.07 | format_c | then put it into a Perl script or similar. There you have much more flexibility w/o much overhead and effort |
| 17:15.31 | protocol | unfortunately for me, I know zero perl :? |
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| 17:15.59 | format_c | Python? |
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| 17:16.50 | protocol | no scripting knowledge at all... :( |
| 17:17.18 | protocol | I'm actually currently trying to learn python, however. |
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| 17:18.04 | format_c | Then setup a test environment where you cannot damage anything important, then it's the best chance to progress learning |
| 17:18.16 | format_c | You won't find anyone here who will do that for you |
| 17:18.29 | Guest10547 | hey guys |
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| 17:18.33 | Guest10547 | hows it going? |
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| 17:19.47 | protocol | format_c: cheers buddy |
| 17:20.32 | format_c | Guest10547, hey, would be better if you could give yourself a better nick than GuestXXXXXX |
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| 17:20.53 | format_c | if you try to write to yourself you see why |
| 17:21.16 | format_c | Here're about 20 Guest-ghost in the channel |
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| 17:23.22 | lenswipe | can someone please help me with my printing issues |
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| 17:24.29 | lenswipe | If I try to print cups always shows the printer status as: Idle - "/usr/lib/cups/backend/dnssd failed" |
| 17:24.33 | lenswipe | anyone have any ideas about that?> |
| 17:24.43 | lenswipe | that shows on my local machine(CUPS is handling the printing) |
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| 17:25.54 | lenswipe | please] |
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| 17:29.26 | lenswipe | hello? |
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| 17:29.33 | lenswipe | I have been having this problem for a while |
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| 17:30.25 | lenswipe | I'm sharing a couple of printers on the network with SAMBA and CUPS |
| 17:30.51 | lenswipe | was hoping someone in here might be able to help because it seems to be a problem with avahi from what Iv'e been reading |
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| 17:43.57 | alusion | is there a command line to determine graphics card? |
| 17:44.14 | mumpitzel | lspci -nn |
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| 17:47.26 | Noturno99 | hey guys, do you know where I can find an old raspbian version that I can install in my board? |
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| 17:50.44 | mumpitzel | !tell Noturno99 about raspbian |
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| 17:55.38 | Noturno99 | mumpitzel thanks! |
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| 17:59.40 | frep | is it possible to mount ntfs from the net-install cd w ash console? |
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| 18:00.27 | sonofzeus | Can I install Skype on a Liveusb of Debian? |
| 18:00.40 | astor | Regarding firmware during install: "Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and have it available on removable storage. When the installer starts, it will automatically find the firmware tarball on the removable storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your hardware." My netinstall doesn't find firmware.tar.gz. Neither *.deb |
| 18:00.40 | astor | files when I unpack the tarball. I'm installing from a USB-stick and have firmware.tar.gz on another USB-stick. Any suggestions? |
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| 18:03.06 | b0ss_ | what's your favorite file browser for Gnome ?? |
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| 18:06.07 | OptimizedCoder | Is there a VNC server installed by default on debian as it is in Ubuntu? Is that started up as well by default? |
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| 18:06.32 | tdn | I need help debugging NFSv4. I have created some exports on the server. I can see the mounts on the client using showmount -e. When I try to mount shares, however, it just hangs on the client. I mount with: mount.nfs4 corvina:/exports/video /net/video I have disabled firewall. I do not see anything in the logs. What to do next? |
| 18:07.23 | OptimizedCoder | hmm looks like there is no VNC server by default |
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| 18:12.57 | astor | Weird. Doesn't debian support USB thumb drives with GPT layout during install? |
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| 18:19.32 | b0ss_ | what's your favorite file browser for Gnome ?? |
| 18:20.10 | mtn | b0ss_: the one it comes with is good :P |
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| 18:20.45 | b0ss_ | mtn: Nautilus? I found it a way worse than Windows Explorer |
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| 18:28.30 | anomaly | when reinstalling ssh server, rather than going back and wiping each user's known_hosts file, would not IgnoreUserknownhosts on the server accomplish the same end as letting the scripts back through again? |
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| 18:33.54 | Improv | If I wanted to force loading of the virtio* drivers in a ramdisk, do I need to do anything more than listing them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then running update-initramfs -u ? |
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| 18:34.40 | Improv | (Or alternatively, is there a Debian package for a kernel meant to run as a KVM guest?) |
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| 18:35.58 | Skilz | I'm running a program and sometimes it quits, is there a argument I can add to the command so it respawns if the program terminates? |
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| 18:37.00 | hillix | format_c: Hello again, I have some new information about the issue I was having yesterday |
| 18:37.16 | format_c | hi hicl |
| 18:37.20 | format_c | hi hillix |
| 18:37.56 | hillix | So I can login into 'Gnome Classic' and everything is ok |
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| 18:38.45 | hillix | But if I login with 'System Default' then I have the isue of no panels and just the debian background |
| 18:39.05 | hillix | and this is the same with all users |
| 18:39.31 | format_c | Setting "System Default" your doing where? |
| 18:39.32 | format_c | gdm? |
| 18:39.40 | hillix | I tried reinstalling gnome-session and gnome-panels but no luck |
| 18:39.50 | hillix | If I run gdm no errors are reported |
| 18:40.17 | format_c | Where did you change the System Default to Gnome Classic? |
| 18:40.20 | hillix | "System Default" is the selection I make at the login screen |
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| 18:40.26 | format_c | in gdm Login Screen? |
| 18:40.47 | hillix | yep |
| 18:41.18 | hillix | I select my user and then choose "System Default" then type in my password |
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| 18:41.57 | hillix | and just wait staring at and empty desktop |
| 18:42.42 | hillix | But if I choose "Gnome Classic" all is good, that is what I am running in now |
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| 18:47.02 | hillix | It's like that shell just disappered... |
| 18:47.15 | hillix | 'disappeared' |
| 18:48.09 | Improv | Skilz: The "watch" program can do what you want, kind of, although it's not really meant for that. |
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| 18:50.08 | format_c | hillix, can you nopast /etc/gdm/Xsession? |
| 18:50.32 | hillix | sure can, just give me a few seconds |
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| 18:54.54 | hillix | format_c: Here is the link: http://pastie.org/8104248 |
| 18:55.50 | hillix | Also, I have no gdm directory so this is from /etc/gdm3/Xsession |
| 18:56.58 | format_c | hillix, what version of Debian do you have installed? |
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| 18:58.00 | hillix | format_c: Release 7.1 (wheezy) 64-bit, Kernel Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64, GNOME 3.4.2 |
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| 18:59.44 | proxy1 | 223.4.183.161 stupid chinese brute force attacking my VPS. I hope SSH Guard holds up. |
| 19:00.19 | Improv | If I wanted to force loading of the virtio* drivers in a ramdisk, do I need to do anything more than listing them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then running update-initramfs -u ? |
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| 19:00.31 | format_c | proxy1, /etc/host.deny can be your friend |
| 19:00.37 | format_c | hosts.deny |
| 19:01.23 | format_c | Improv, correct |
| 19:01.41 | format_c | hillix, mhh sorry. I don't have much experience with gnome3 |
| 19:01.51 | proxy1 | thanks i will check it.... |
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| 19:02.09 | format_c | I'm running still gdm with xfce |
| 19:02.17 | hillix | no problem, thanks for the help you have provided |
| 19:02.18 | format_c | proxy1, man hosts.deny |
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| 19:10.27 | jancsika | another debian repo question: if today's date/time is later than the Valid-Until date in a release file, what happens when I try to update using apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:11.17 | jancsika | (or more properly, "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 19:11.21 | jancsika | ) |
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| 19:30.28 | HelenaKitty1 | How do I stop APT from listing some packages for autoremove? APT is listing 3 packages for autoremove that I don't want it to list. |
| 19:31.49 | ekiwok | I have VPS with Debian 6 (squeezee) but I'd rather upgrade to Wheezy. I'v tried it few times and everything works great except I cannot connect via ssh (so I cannot use my VPS at all). Server with all services (fe. apache2) reboots and works. Only issue is ssh (acording to netcat port is open). Ssh returns "connection closed by ip". |
| 19:32.04 | xand | HelenaKitty1: apt-get install <list of packages> |
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| 19:32.31 | HelenaKitty1 | xand: okies |
| 19:32.59 | HelenaKitty1 | xand: But consolekit is one of em and I don't want it reinstalled. |
| 19:33.09 | xand | er |
| 19:33.23 | xand | if it lists it, that's because it's installed |
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| 19:34.10 | HelenaKitty1 | xand: I know but I manually removed consolekit by hand because it wouldn't uninstall. |
| 19:34.31 | ekiwok | Anyone has experience with upgrading VPS to Wheezy? |
| 19:34.46 | HelenaKitty1 | when thse packages get removed and I attempt to install something else it tells me to run "apt-get -f install" which puts the packages back on. |
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| 19:35.56 | HelenaKitty1 | Everytime I install something I've to remove consolekit afterwards, it's getting frustrating! |
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| 19:36.42 | chvx | is it possible to have multiple DE, without them getting away with each others? |
| 19:37.07 | HelenaKitty1 | chvx: What do u mean by getting away with each other? |
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| 19:37.42 | humle85 | chvx whats a DE? |
| 19:37.55 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: Desktop Environment |
| 19:37.55 | chvx | Desktop Enviroment |
| 19:38.02 | mtn | chvx: yes, but there may be some minor interference |
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| 19:40.11 | humle85 | Okey |
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| 19:40.40 | humle85 | chvx Like xfce and gnome installed one the samme machine? |
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| 19:41.06 | chvx | yes |
| 19:41.43 | humle85 | I got MATE and xfce with no problems installed, no conflicts at all |
| 19:41.45 | Ontological | On a *normal* debian install, is it possible to have it automatically start x (as it does, currently) and login to a specific user? Something you'd want in a kiosk or something similar |
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| 19:42.07 | ekiwok | Could anyone help me with ssh issue? |
| 19:42.17 | humle85 | Don't no if MATE count as a DE |
| 19:42.19 | Ontological | ekiwok: Just ask and we'll try to answer |
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| 19:42.43 | ekiwok | Ontological, I have VPS with Debian 6 (squeezee) but I'd rather upgrade to Wheezy. I'v tried it few times and everything works great except I cannot connect via ssh (so I cannot use my VPS at all). Server with all services (fe. apache2) reboots and works. Only issue is ssh (acording to netcat port is open). Ssh returns "connection closed by ip". |
| 19:42.45 | peterrooney | Ontological: gnome has such a capacity, but I don't use gnome. |
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| 19:43.23 | Ontological | Haha, peterrooney I don't even know what I'm using. I think gnome is default, but let me check |
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| 19:45.23 | mtn | Ontological: it is actually a feature of gdm and I imagine kdm will allow it as well. |
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| 19:47.45 | Ontological | I found it under User Settings under System Settings. Thanks guys |
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| 19:50.22 | jelly-home | ekiwok: can you pastebin the output of ssh -vv to that server? |
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| 19:51.30 | brontosaurusrex | shouldnt kernel update when going up to jessie? |
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| 19:52.48 | moof2 | you can /msg judd kernels |
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| 19:52.57 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: it depends on whether you have the linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') metapackage installed or not |
| 19:53.02 | moof2 | and see what's available, made for what |
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| 19:53.34 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: so, what does uname -r say? |
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| 19:53.51 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, hold on, ill switch the machine ... |
| 19:54.48 | ekiwok | jelly-home, I cannot connect after update so it's not possible |
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| 19:55.14 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, sorry, what command should say what? |
| 19:55.44 | brontosaurusrex | uname -r says 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:56.32 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: alright. Now verify whether you have linux-image-amd64 installed, and whether it's the latest version available in jessie. |
| 19:56.42 | brontosaurusrex | ok ... |
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| 19:57.10 | jelly-home | ekiwok: I meant you to run that from your client machine. |
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| 19:58.09 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, says it will install linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 |
| 19:58.42 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: that meant you have not updated your OS properly yet. |
| 19:58.47 | jelly-home | means* |
| 19:59.03 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: what command says that? |
| 19:59.26 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:59.41 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: how did you upgrade to jessie? |
| 19:59.52 | brontosaurusrex | from wheezy |
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| 20:00.10 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: HOW, in what way, which tools and commands did you use? |
| 20:00.30 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, changed repos to point to jessis |
| 20:00.41 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: and then? |
| 20:00.44 | brontosaurusrex | and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:01.22 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: how long ago was that? That "apt-get dist-upgrade" should have gotten you a newer kernel. Did it run at all? |
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| 20:01.35 | brontosaurusrex | yes it did |
| 20:01.53 | brontosaurusrex | let me reboot |
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| 20:05.48 | OptimizedCoder | recommend an easy to configure VNC server for debian - Is 'linuxvnc' recommended? |
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| 20:06.24 | piklu | I have a lot of machines, virtuals |
| 20:06.34 | piklu | I want to monitor them for CPU, Process etc |
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| 20:06.40 | piklu | what shd I use? |
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| 20:07.37 | jelly-home | nagios? |
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| 20:08.44 | piklu | nagios aint free |
| 20:09.14 | chvx | are there any debian version that is equilient to ehm.. arch linux repo.. not the testing |
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| 20:10.44 | jelly-home | chvx: equivalent in what regard? Can you be descriptive? |
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| 20:13.01 | brontosaurusrex | ok, rebooted, deleted xorg.conf, rebuilding nvidia stuff |
| 20:14.43 | chvx | jelly-home: if you know archlinux there is one repo that is testing and one is not? is debian jessie the one? i mean it sounds like testing repo in archlinux would be the equlivemnt to sid |
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| 20:18.07 | armin | hi, can anyone tell me what's the preferred way to disable settings from a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 20:18.25 | armin | going into the file and renaming all the lines seems bad to me somehow. :) |
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| 20:20.55 | brontosaurusrex | 3.9-1-amd64 < looks like iam in business |
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| 20:23.59 | humle85 | brontosaurusrex how did you get 3.9.1-amd64 kernel? gnome or xfce? |
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| 20:24.39 | brontosaurusrex | gnome and xfce have something to do with kernel? |
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| 20:25.44 | humle85 | Not sure, but dont thinnk so. Im on xfce and says everything is up to date but dont get 3.9.1 |
| 20:26.16 | phlux | No, gnome and xfce have nothing to do with the kernel |
| 20:26.21 | brontosaurusrex | iam on openbox |
| 20:26.28 | phlux | humle85: you may want to try running 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 20:26.30 | brontosaurusrex | with some xfce components |
| 20:27.26 | humle85 | phlux they show up with nothing to update same thing with distro upgrade |
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| 20:28.16 | humle85 | im on 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:28.33 | mtn | armin: disable the entire file? part of the file? |
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| 20:29.50 | humle85 | Cant figure out why i cant upgrade. Also i'm having a annoying issue with hda-intel boot error. And the new kernel should resolve that should |
| 20:30.26 | brontosaurusrex | humle85, quoting history; <jelly-home> brontosaurusrex: alright. Now verify whether you have linux-image-amd64 installed, and whether it's the latest version available in jessie. |
| 20:30.43 | brontosaurusrex | recent history |
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| 20:31.11 | brontosaurusrex | well, all this trouble did not solve silly cpu temperatures |
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| 20:31.40 | jelly-home | chvx: I have no idea what archlinux does, sorry. Perhaps read /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 20:33.38 | humle85 | brontosaurusrex i get x86_64 from unname -r so im on 64bit. But dont think im on the jessie how can i see it |
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| 20:35.07 | vaillor | ehy guys, how to add a new eth1 interface? |
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| 20:36.50 | jhutchins | vaillor: create ifcfg-eth1 in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ |
| 20:36.54 | brontosaurusrex | humle85, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:37.14 | protocol | vaillor: do you have the another NIC? |
| 20:37.14 | jhutchins | vaillor: Whups, wrong channel. |
| 20:37.30 | jhutchins | vaillor: How is your eth0 configured? |
| 20:37.37 | vaillor | protocol, yes, it's the host-only network interface of virtualbox |
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| 20:37.47 | vaillor | eth0 is in bridge mode |
| 20:37.53 | vaillor | with the router |
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| 20:38.35 | HelenaKitty1 | Hello, at bootup init is reporting some services failed to start, I checked the logs but can't find anything about this event. WHat do I do? |
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| 20:40.53 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, anything else to check? |
| 20:41.19 | brontosaurusrex | vdpau seems to be working as well |
| 20:41.26 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: I have not read what your actual problem was, sorry. |
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| 20:41.50 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, i mean regarding the uncomplete upgrade to jessie |
| 20:41.59 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty1: which debian release are you using and how did you install it? |
| 20:42.06 | brontosaurusrex | main problem was high cpu temperature on this eee |
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| 20:42.38 | HelenaKitty1 | jelly-home: jessie, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:42.46 | humle85 | Aaa im on the stable one ;-P that's why i don't get the new kernel |
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| 20:42.57 | jelly-home | !tell HelenaKitty1 about bootlog |
| 20:43.06 | HelenaKitty1 | o.o |
| 20:43.11 | HelenaKitty1 | I don't have a bootlog, weird |
| 20:43.22 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: I'm on Linux 3.10 rc7 |
| 20:43.25 | jelly-home | it's not weird if you ACTUALLY READ the factoid |
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| 20:43.40 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 running good? |
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| 20:43.52 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: Like a charm! |
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| 20:44.03 | humle85 | I wanna compile it, just need a lite time like 20min :D |
| 20:44.13 | HelenaKitty1 | I just upgraded from rc5 to rc7 today so don't 100% know if it's buggy for me or not yet. |
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| 20:44.22 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: You don't need to compile it. |
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| 20:44.26 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: if a dist-upgrade says there's nothing left to upgrade, and if your sources.list is sane, then that's pretty much it |
| 20:44.37 | brontosaurusrex | ok, thanks |
| 20:44.48 | protocol | #scripting |
| 20:44.54 | protocol | Learning it :) |
| 20:44.56 | protocol | Woot. |
| 20:44.56 | jelly-home | #noscript |
| 20:44.56 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 just ain't cool losing soundand stuff |
| 20:45.18 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 how to upgrade it then without ? |
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| 20:45.27 | protocol | jelly-home: lol wasn't saying to write a script, saying learning it with python ;) |
| 20:45.27 | HelenaKitty1 | 1min... |
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| 20:45.54 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: use this repo at your own risk! |
| 20:45.59 | HelenaKitty1 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 20:46.20 | jelly-home | !experimental |
| 20:46.20 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 20:46.30 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 Thanks :) will do it at my own risk |
| 20:46.46 | jelly-home | humle85: read the line above. Don't trust blindly what people tell you. |
| 20:47.12 | humle85 | jelly-home i like this one DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING |
| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | nod |
| 20:47.23 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: Once you applied and the repo and updated, search the repo for "3.10". |
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| 20:48.06 | HelenaKitty1 | Reason why should only be "Because I want to test it and I am aware of the consiquences" really. |
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| 20:48.35 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 any way going back, if it messes up my pc |
| 20:48.49 | HelenaKitty1 | Works on my system but your system isn't my system and kernels run differently on different systems depending on the hardware meaning not only could it do a bit of damage but it could render your system unbootable. |
| 20:49.00 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: In grub you will still have an entry for your previous kernel. |
| 20:49.10 | HelenaKitty1 | You will see it at bootup. |
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| 20:49.40 | humle85 | Will try it out, gonna get a liter cola and try it out |
| 20:49.51 | HelenaKitty1 | :D okies |
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| 20:50.07 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 Hope it resolves my hda-intel boot error |
| 20:50.40 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: rc5 made my touchpad that's been buggy snce 2009 a tiny bit less buggy. |
| 20:51.20 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 did it freeze up sometime and go slow? |
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| 20:53.17 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: no, it's a floating touchpad and when I try to press the buttons it interferes with the rest of the pad making the cursor fly everywhere. |
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| 20:53.40 | HelenaKitty1 | but I don't use X so I don't really need my touchpad. lol |
| 20:56.03 | brontosaurusrex | HelenaKitty1, you can make an udev rule to disable the pad when mice is detected |
| 20:56.18 | humle85 | Haha lol, are you in terminal all the time :) |
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| 20:56.52 | HelenaKitty1 | brontosaurusrex: I know I can but no need. |
| 20:56.59 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: Yes. |
| 20:57.06 | brontosaurusrex | ok, iam just bragging |
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| 20:57.23 | humle85 | HeleaKitty1 what client is there for IRC in terminal? |
| 20:57.51 | Vicissitude | irssi, weechat, ircii |
| 20:58.01 | humle85 | brontosaurusrex that allway's a good thing when ladies are around :) |
| 20:58.43 | humle85 | Vicissitude your in terminal too? :) what about webbrowsere's |
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| 20:59.04 | Vicissitude | lynx, elinks |
| 20:59.26 | HelenaKitty1 | lol |
| 20:59.37 | HelenaKitty1 | So you got my gender then humle85 |
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| 21:00.04 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 Nothing's for sure in here :) |
| 21:00.28 | humle85 | Vicissitude nice, how about java and stuff to getin he hombanking? |
| 21:00.29 | protocol | irssi... mmmm... tasty |
| 21:00.35 | humle85 | *homebanking |
| 21:01.15 | Vicissitude | I don't use java. Don't trust it. |
| 21:01.19 | HelenaKitty1 | humle85: I'm a gal lol |
| 21:01.29 | protocol | HelenaKitty1: for what purpose(s) are you using specifically terminal only? just for learning purposes? |
| 21:01.46 | HelenaKitty1 | protocol: I prefer it. |
| 21:01.50 | humle85 | protocal Does it havesomething to do with the Egyptian Gud? |
| 21:01.56 | protocol | Vicissitude: considering the plethora of crap issues that have been coming up on the runtime env side, agreed. |
| 21:02.00 | humle85 | HelenaKitty1 lol |
| 21:02.08 | HelenaKitty1 | plus my setup only uses 24mb RAM. |
| 21:02.17 | HelenaKitty1 | minimum |
| 21:03.00 | protocol | not too shabby. what shell do you prefer, if that's the case? |
| 21:03.44 | HelenaKitty1 | protocol: zsh |
| 21:04.04 | protocol | HelenaKitty1: high-five to you, miss. |
| 21:04.14 | HelenaKitty1 | :D |
| 21:04.56 | HelenaKitty1 | I have a tmux script in .zshrc, it's purpose is to check if tmux is running or not and if it is it attaches to the tmux session but if it's not it starts a new session. |
| 21:05.03 | protocol | yea, i've been using zsh for a few years now myself. used to do the terminal thing a few years back as well -- then got back onto Gnome2 and urxvt :] |
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| 21:05.43 | HelenaKitty1 | I've gone from using X to getting pissed off at it to using TTY and feeling happier. |
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| 21:06.13 | protocol | HelenaKitty1: nice one. i have a 408 line zshrc with little scripts in it myself that i've compiled over the years. |
| 21:06.19 | protocol | lol |
| 21:06.28 | HelenaKitty1 | I'd gone from a full pledged DE like gnome to a WM like fluxbox to a tiling WM like i3 with terminal open most of the time and then I did away with X all together. |
| 21:07.08 | HelenaKitty1 | protocol: Even my Nexus 7 is just CLI. |
| 21:07.39 | brontosaurusrex | do you have to run some command to make a phone call? |
| 21:07.55 | HelenaKitty1 | brontosaurusrex: Yes, I don't troll either. |
| 21:08.07 | HelenaKitty1 | problem is... |
| 21:08.13 | protocol | HelenaKitty1: i tend to swap between dwm and gnome from time to time. on the ipad i connect to a vps and use the terminal on there withs screen to do work. nifty little setup |
| 21:08.18 | HelenaKitty1 | idk of any phone call software out there. |
| 21:08.29 | HelenaKitty1 | but if I had the choice it'd be a have to. |
| 21:08.48 | brontosaurusrex | any good readin on zsh? |
| 21:09.06 | brontosaurusrex | like how to install it for starters |
| 21:09.13 | protocol | brontosaurusrex: man... :P |
| 21:09.29 | protocol | it's a good starting point. |
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| 21:09.29 | HelenaKitty1 | protocol: I have my own cut down as small as debian version of Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 7. I even have Debian installed on the router here. |
| 21:09.42 | brontosaurusrex | protocol, i meant like "use zsh, bash is for dummies" kind of reasing |
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| 21:09.48 | brontosaurusrex | reading* |
| 21:09.56 | HelenaKitty1 | I hate Ubuntu but had no choice when it came to running full pledged Linux on the tablet. |
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| 21:10.04 | brontosaurusrex | bbl |
| 21:10.11 | protocol | HelenaKitty1: yea... for routing/firewall/dmz, i have a pfsense box i whipped up a few years back. |
| 21:10.18 | HelenaKitty1 | also can people tell me why the grub entries on debian show up as Ubuntu? |
| 21:10.36 | protocol | on what installs? |
| 21:10.48 | HelenaKitty1 | protocol: We shoul talk about this in #debian-offtopic so we don't get in trouble by the ops. |
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| 21:10.57 | protocol | lol sounds good. |
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| 21:12.03 | tgs3 | !wheezy |
| 21:12.03 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.1>. |
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| 21:13.45 | peterS | am I parsing this stuff all wrong, or does ifupdown really have proper native support for only one address family per interface? |
| 21:13.54 | peterS | I mean, it's not like IPv4 + IPv6 dual stack is exactly a new concept |
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| 21:23.31 | abrotman | peterS: i believe you're correct .. we add ours in a post-up |
| 21:23.48 | abrotman | peterS: nothing in the wiki ? |
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| 21:24.14 | peterS | abrotman: turns out you can have both 'iface eth0 inet ...' and 'iface eth0 inet6 ...' in the same interfaces file |
| 21:24.26 | peterS | each of which takes 'address' and 'gateway' and the like |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | peterS: that must be new for wheezy .. that's much nicer |
| 21:25.18 | peterS | abrotman: advantage of pre-up over post-up, btw: in post-up the interface also picks up an automatic address from the router advertisement. with pre-up it doesn't. But anyway, '...inet6 static' should be even better. |
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| 21:26.26 | abrotman | and less lugly |
| 21:26.30 | abrotman | ugly |
| 21:26.37 | peterS | abrotman: ...all this is hearsay - I don't want to ifdown and ifup my machine right now to test it all, it's got too much going on |
| 21:27.06 | boudiccas | using veromix i'm unable to get anything showing inthe window, and i getthis when run from the cli ... http://dpaste.com/1282143/ |
| 21:27.19 | abrotman | probalby shouldn't test in production :) |
| 21:27.31 | peterS | abrotman: also at some point note that 'address 10.1.1.38/24' works, no need for separate netmask line anymore |
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| 21:27.38 | peterS | I mean, if you're cleaning up / simplifying anyway, you may as well do that |
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| 21:28.09 | abrotman | i'd probably need to upgrade the OS to do that .. i don't recall seeing that in the docs |
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| 21:28.59 | peterS | * Allow concurrent netmask specification in both address (using CIDR notation) and netmask for IPv6 (Closes: #674775). |
| 21:29.08 | peterS | ...and yeah this is in 0.7 which is indeed new to wheezy |
| 21:29.15 | abrotman | neat |
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| 21:30.10 | tlacuache | hey guys, weird issue: i've got a particular USB thumbdrive that gnome 3/nautilus won't automount. any other thumbdrives seem to automount fine. i can even manually mount the drive (sudo mount /dev/sde1 /media/wherever) and it mounts ok. but it just doesn't automount. I've repartitioned the thing, reformatted it (tried various different filesystems) but to no avail. dmesg doesn't seem to be showing any errors. any suggestions? |
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| 21:30.40 | boudiccas | what do i need to do to regain my veromix please? |
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| 21:31.13 | iceroot | are firefox and iceweasel the same when it comes to "display a website"? or are there differences so that a webdesigner should test iceweasel and firefox? |
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| 21:31.56 | iceroot | or is iceweasel really just firefox with another name/logo? |
| 21:32.04 | peterS | iceroot: depends on how silly the web designer wants to get with pixel tweaking. I mean, gosh, at some point you'll mess up a website's look just by not having the exact same default font as the web designer used |
| 21:32.24 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
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| 21:33.16 | peterS | more to the point, you'll get more drift between different _versions_ of firefox / iceweasel than between the two brandings |
| 21:33.16 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.23 | iceroot | peterS: if i am correct debian switched to "do major-updates on iceweasel in the latest stable release". if i am correct there was a mail from the sec-team about that, so i should have the same versions |
| 21:34.34 | peterS | also iceweasel will mess up your web site if you try to get cute with User-Agent and send firefox-specific content only to browsers that you know are firefox |
| 21:35.12 | iceroot | peterS: good point, thank you |
| 21:35.19 | peterS | iceroot: "I should have"? Who is "I"? your users who always update to the very latest browser within 24 hours of the announcement? You might have that kind of user, I'm pretty sure I don't |
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| 21:36.29 | peterS | anyway, yeah, version drift is something to keep in mind when testing your designs, much more than FF vs. Iceweasel |
| 21:36.36 | iceroot | peterS: its more like "it was some time ago iceweasel 3.5 vs firefox 1x.x" so it was totally different |
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| 21:36.49 | jelly-home | peterS: are you implying you're keeping your users' machines unpatched? |
| 21:37.04 | jelly-home | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:37.05 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.7esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.7esr-1; experimental: 22.0-1 |
| 21:37.07 | peterS | jelly-home: when I say "my users" I don't mean I have any control of their computers. I mean they visit my web services. |
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| 21:37.24 | iceroot | hm, ok still a huge difference |
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| 21:37.54 | jelly-home | peterS: oh, I thought the context here was the debian client side |
| 21:38.09 | jhutchins | !mdn |
| 21:38.09 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 21:38.13 | peterS | jelly-home: the question was about whether web designers should need to test iceweasel separately from firefox |
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| 21:38.40 | peterS | so I took it as "assuming you have visitors on iceweasel, should you need to specifically care" |
| 21:39.51 | jhutchins | Remember that mozilla is more than a little drunk on version numbers and tends to advance them any time a dev sneezes. |
| 21:40.24 | peterS | sort of the opposite of the Knuth approach, right |
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| 21:40.49 | peterS | (his TeX versions converge on pi. Each new release gets another digit of pi.) |
| 21:41.11 | jelly-home | prefers the INTERCAL approach |
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| 21:41.24 | jhutchins | We love the classics. That's the way it should be though, smaller and smaller refinements. |
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| 21:42.29 | peterS | or there's that quote from Alan Filipski in 1986, which is outdated but factually correct: "The different versions of the UNIX brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3." |
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| 21:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems beyond my logic |
| 21:44.29 | peterS | System 5, 6, 7 were original Bell Labs. Berkeley forked it and BSD had 2.9, 3, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 (and 4.4, later) |
| 21:44.33 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: When it makes sense, so will *nix. |
| 21:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... unix makes perfect sense |
| 21:44.48 | peterS | then AT&T took System 7 and it evolved into Sys III, Sys V, Sys V R2, etc. |
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| 21:45.19 | peterS | Alan's quote shows the time sequence of these various things that happened to Unix |
| 21:45.33 | peterS | so it's really multiple release sets interleaved for humorous effect |
| 21:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | now add that bit where sco happened |
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| 21:45.49 | peterS | SCO is based on System V R3 or R4 |
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| 21:47.03 | peterS | (well actually you have to be more specific, SCO OpenServer and SCO Unixware were not the same thing, two quite different codebases. I'm not sure what they each were based on.) |
| 21:47.54 | jelly-home | points the old beards to #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:48.30 | jelly-home | preemptive strike so there's space for |
| 21:48.33 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:48.33 | dpkg | <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 21:48.38 | jhutchins | Bah. Kids these days. No respect for their elders. |
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| 22:13.50 | factor | Can i remove a linux image with dpkg as well |
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| 22:18.45 | jelly-home | factor: if you're asking about an installed package named linux-image-something and containing a kernel and modules, the answer is yes |
| 22:19.08 | factor | so just do a purge on it |
| 22:19.08 | jelly-home | factor: it's usually better to use apt-get or aptitude however |
| 22:19.18 | factor | yes that is what I use |
| 22:19.31 | factor | jsut was wondering if any method worked |
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| 22:25.15 | Freb | is it possible to have debian stable, and use software that may not be stable. |
| 22:26.43 | superuser_ir | i need to install debian package (PHP5) with my configuration (zend thread safety on (zts=1)) |
| 22:26.43 | superuser_ir | How can I do this? |
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| 22:32.50 | johntron | does anyone know if there are any debhelper commands to download and configure dependencies? i'm compiling a project that includes a third-party feature, and i'd like to _not_ include the third-party code in my package source |
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| 22:33.38 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: read /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 22:43.36 | johntron | heck yeah, i just built, installed, and ran my first .deb :D |
| 22:44.10 | OptimizedCoder | Could the fine folks here recommend an 'easy to configure' VNC server for debian - Is 'linuxvnc' recommended? |
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| 22:44.56 | OptimizedCoder | I'm not able to find this pkg - 'vncserver' at all - It was referenced in http://heller.huono.org/bin/vnc.html - Is that really old info? |
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| 22:46.15 | romracer | this may be a long shot, but i installed upstart in wheezy and failed to boot due to a missing libply-boot something.so since my /usr is a different partition than / |
| 22:46.22 | romracer | i was able to copy that over fine in rescue mode and get past that. but now the boot just seems to stop and the last line i see is "root: clean, 19574/244320 files, 155515/976384 blocks" |
| 22:46.36 | romracer | like maybe mountall isn't running or something. but i cant seem to get much out of the boot even with "quiet" removed to troubleshoot further. any ideas? |
| 22:47.32 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: I'm not sure what you mean by that. |
| 22:47.40 | romracer | i have drac/console access so i'd be happy to try whatever if anyone had any ideas |
| 22:48.43 | superuser_ir | jelly-home: I need install php5 packages with zts=1 (by default install with zts=0) ? ok ? |
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| 22:49.55 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: ok? Have you read the package rebuild factoid? |
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| 22:51.34 | tomatto | hi |
| 22:52.02 | tomatto | please, i have installed debian, and it still telling me |
| 22:52.03 | tomatto | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 22:52.03 | tomatto | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 22:52.04 | tomatto | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 22:52.18 | tomatto | how can i repair or fix it? |
| 22:52.40 | romracer | cat /etc/default/locale ? whats it set to? |
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| 22:53.12 | fizix | good god this place is busy |
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| 22:53.27 | tomatto | romracer: http://pastebin.blesmrt.net/3760/ |
| 22:53.38 | Pryon | just a guess, but have you installed locales-all? |
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| 22:53.44 | elkng | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/06/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again/index.htm |
| 22:54.42 | fizix | where should or can I get help with an error while compiling grsecurity into the debian kernel? the error is not clear to me, much less how to go about fixing it. |
| 22:55.13 | superuser_ir | jelly-home: yes , it didnt give me any solution . |
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| 22:56.26 | tomatto | Pryon: no, i think that installator do everything needed |
| 22:56.37 | romracer | tomatto: apt-get install locales if its not installed. and did you make your file look like that or did update-locale? because thats not how mine looks on wheezy. i only have the line you commented out |
| 22:58.08 | tomatto | romracer: locales installed. i had utf8 locale which was doing the same thing like my change utf8 with iso8859-2 |
| 22:58.15 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: it's a broad recipe to rebuild a source package with different build options. |
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| 22:58.47 | Hunner | Hi. What happens if I use `apt-get -t doesntexist install foo` in reference to a release that doesn't exist in sources? Does this basically give a 990 priority to nothing? |
| 22:59.23 | jelly-home | Hunner: try it. |
| 22:59.41 | Hunner | jelly-home: I did and can't divine what's happening |
| 22:59.52 | romracer | apt-cache policy? |
| 23:00.02 | jelly-home | Hunner: did you get a E: The value 'doesntexist' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 23:00.09 | Hunner | jelly-home: Nope |
| 23:00.10 | tomatto | when is /tmp being cleaned on startup? |
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| 23:00.27 | jelly-home | Hunner: which debian release and apt package version are you using? |
| 23:00.42 | Hunner | jelly-home: On squeeze and apt 0.8.10 |
| 23:00.44 | romracer | tomatto: that depends if its a tmpfs or not |
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| 23:01.21 | jelly-home | Hunner: you're going to get the above error message once the system is updated to the current debian release. |
| 23:01.25 | romracer | tomatto: otherwise look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:01.35 | Hunner | jelly-home: That's enlightening! Thanks :) |
| 23:01.39 | tomatto | romracer: i want to make /tmp as tmpfs and then redirect logs to /tmp/log, but i need to create it at boot |
| 23:01.55 | jelly-home | Hunner: but your interpretation seems to be correct |
| 23:02.05 | romracer | tomatto: then look at /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 23:02.51 | romracer | anyone have any idea on my upstart issue? :\ |
| 23:04.37 | tomatto | racar: and how to or where to create that /tmp/log directory? /etc/default/tmpfs is enabled automatically? |
| 23:04.43 | tomatto | run |
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| 23:06.33 | schultza | does debian 7 use upstart, or is it a hybrid between upstart and sysinitv? |
| 23:06.53 | romracer | its sysinitv by default |
| 23:07.00 | romracer | sysvinit whatever |
| 23:07.27 | romracer | tomatto: i think that depends on what you're trying to do. /etc/rc.local is a great place to run custom commands at the end of boot |
| 23:07.47 | romracer | if you need it sooner, you'd probalby need to wedge it into an early init script or write your own |
| 23:07.58 | tomatto | romracer: i need to do it before some util or app wants to use /var/log |
| 23:08.02 | romracer | otherwise dont make /tmp a tmpfs and it wont be empty on boot? |
| 23:08.43 | tomatto | Pryon: that helps, thx. |
| 23:08.56 | schultza | ok.. i need a good article for writing a service script for a new application (to run as a daemon) with debian 7 |
| 23:09.09 | romracer | RAMTMP=no in /etc/default/tmpfs and no "/tmp tmpfs" in /etc/fstab should mean its a permanent disk location |
| 23:09.12 | schultza | ah, debian 7.1 apparently |
| 23:09.30 | tomatto | romracer: /tmp will be empty on boot, especially when i want it as tmpfs |
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| 23:10.17 | tomatto | or make /var/log as tmpfs :) ? |
| 23:10.40 | romracer | thats probably easier |
| 23:11.13 | romracer | but some apps may not create their directories, like /var/log/apache or something if it doesnt already exist |
| 23:11.27 | romracer | but you'll have that issue either way |
| 23:11.43 | romracer | schultza: copy/paste something in /etc/init.d? |
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| 23:12.37 | schultza | I have a freeswitch installation that I'd like to run as a service. But their script is failing with no error in any log. I'm going to recreate the script from scratch to fit all the needs that Debian 7 requires. And have it run at startup. |
| 23:12.40 | fizix | i found a forum for support. :) thanks, everyone. I hope to pass through again at a more opportune time. |
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| 23:14.25 | romracer | schultza: bash -x /etc/init.d/script? |
| 23:14.32 | romracer | maybe that helps you see why or where its failing |
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| 23:15.12 | romracer | this may be a long shot, but i installed upstart in wheezy and failed to boot due to a missing libply-boot something.so since my /usr is a different partition than / |
| 23:15.16 | romracer | i was able to copy that over fine in rescue mode and get past that. but now the boot just seems to stop and the last line i see is "root: clean, 19574/244320 files, 155515/976384 blocks" |
| 23:15.32 | romracer | like maybe mountall isn't running or something. but i cant seem to get much out of the boot even with "quiet" removed to troubleshoot further. any ideas? |
| 23:16.21 | schultza | freeswitch start returns with exit 0, but the program in question is not running with ps aux |
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| 23:17.12 | romracer | bash -x will show you each command as its run. might help narrow it down. like maybe the command isnt in the path or something |
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| 23:17.47 | romracer | may need to change the shebang to /bin/bash if its /bin/sh since dash is sh in newer releases. not sure if dash does the -x thing |
| 23:17.56 | tomatto | romracer: you must mount /usr first i think |
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| 23:18.50 | tomatto | what is good position to add or make dir as /tmp/log ? |
| 23:19.22 | schultza | i dont see a thing wrong with it.. |
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| 23:20.20 | schultza | id have to work on this later. |
| 23:20.22 | Darkchaos2 | Good Night guys :) |
| 23:20.32 | schultza | See you tomorrow. |
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| 23:39.47 | SARC | stupid question... why do some lib-dev packages depend on the executable? For example, libusb-dev depends on libusb. I thought that the -dev packages were essentially just header files? |
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| 23:46.13 | Vicissitude | -dev packages are for developing |
| 23:47.47 | SARC | Vicissitude; I know that |
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| 23:50.21 | Arrowmaster | i thought most dev packages depended on the normal version |
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| 23:53.38 | SARC | Arrowmaster: I have come to the conclusion that I cannot depend on multiarch in order to compile i386 and amd64 on my amd64 system. There are just too many dev packages I need to compile and link against that do not support multiarch. |
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| 23:54.32 | Arrowmaster | chroot then? |
| 23:56.13 | SARC | Arrowmaster: I think so. I found a post that says you can build externally to chroot. |
| 23:56.35 | SARC | Arrowmaster: I can't remember if you said that you used chroot. |
| 23:58.26 | Arrowmaster | ive used pbuilder in the past which uses chroots |
| 23:58.48 | SARC | Do you know of any good tutorials to set chroot up properly? |
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