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| 00:19.05 | wjtaylor | I installed sensors-applet, which is a gnome applet for lm-sensors. How do I get this to display? I see no menu item for it, nor do I see it in the gnome panel. |
| 00:20.41 | abrotman | wjtaylor: in gnome3? |
| 00:20.57 | wjtaylor | no 2 |
| 00:21.18 | wjtaylor | I think I figured it out. I had to add it to the panel manually |
| 00:22.24 | brontosaurusrex | would 1777 be a good permission for /tmp ? |
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| 00:23.25 | LtL | brontosaurusrex: yes |
| 00:23.48 | brontosaurusrex | ok, (somehow managed to delete it ...) |
| 00:24.14 | brainhunter | hi. can anyone can help me with mate gui? after the iwlwifi driver the keyboard and touchpad are not working in Mate. But they r working whe i shut mate down |
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| 00:25.03 | dvs | !mate |
| 00:25.03 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net |
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| 00:25.44 | Slick` | I have very fresh credit cards for sell, from my own sniffers and logs ;) many different bins and countries :) 10$ each, write me any interested in linotrecias@gmail.com |
| 00:27.01 | brainhunter | yes, not supported, but it works before i installed drive =9 |
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| 00:27.04 | brainhunter | =( |
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| 00:27.45 | abrotman | brainhunter: it's not in Wheezy, we have no idea what the package quality is, ask the people that made the packages |
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| 00:30.22 | brainhunter | abrotman: thanks, but have you any ideas, why keyboard isn't working? maybe any daemons rn't working? |
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| 00:32.13 | abrotman | brainhunter: i gave you the answer |
| 00:32.27 | brainhunter | ok, thanks |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | brainhunter: which distro are you using? |
| 00:32.44 | brainhunter | wheezy |
| 00:32.57 | abrotman | so try another WM, see what happens .. MATE isnt' supported here for Wheezy |
| 00:33.21 | brainhunter | only gnome 3 is supported? |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | i didn't say that |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | there are several dozen WMs and DEs in Debian |
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| 00:36.38 | maroloccio | what is the apt query to select WMs? |
| 00:38.37 | wjtaylor | What are normal operating temps inside a case? |
| 00:39.14 | Getterac7 | wjtaylor: hopefully only a few degrees above room temp. |
| 00:39.16 | maroloccio | provides x-window-manager |
| 00:39.21 | maroloccio | but where should i put that? |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | wjtaylor: depends on a lot of things, you should read your manuals |
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| 00:40.35 | wjtaylor | would chip temps of 122F strike you as odd? |
| 00:40.47 | Getterac7 | wjtaylor: no. |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | wjtaylor: check your manual, this isn't a hardware support channel |
| 00:41.17 | wjtaylor | ok. thanks. |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | wjtaylor: there are thousands of processors out there, each with their own specs |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | 122F for a 486 would probably mean it's toast, for a PIV, probably not |
| 00:41.55 | wjtaylor | PIV? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | nevermind, not relevant here |
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| 00:42.28 | wjtaylor | ok. |
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| 01:04.51 | maroloccio | debtags grep 'x11::window-manager' | cut -d: -f1 |
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| 01:56.33 | ex-parrot | anyone have a view on whether daemons like wsgi processes etc should run as "system" users (e.g. adduser --system) or just normal users? |
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| 02:14.26 | maroloccio | ex-parrot: are you not installing your "daemons" through apt-get? |
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| 02:15.34 | ex-parrot | maroloccio: no, this is custom code (an wsgi webapp running with waitress) |
| 02:17.48 | maroloccio | you can mimic what a similar package does by looking at the system users in /etc/passwd. |
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| 02:18.15 | maroloccio | i normally create an account for the daemon, but you could start as root and drop priv.. (it depends..) |
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| 02:18.38 | Konomi | really wish I could figure out why iceweasel is randomly bolding some of the lines on certain fonts in web pages |
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| 02:19.54 | dvs | Because it's the old version? |
| 02:21.13 | Konomi | it's version 22. |
| 02:21.41 | dvs | oops. nevermind |
| 02:23.11 | Konomi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1015751 |
| 02:23.14 | Konomi | guess someone knows about it |
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| 02:25.20 | Konomi | looks like a work around is listed |
| 02:25.45 | Konomi | which works nice |
| 02:26.34 | zr0 | when i try 'apt-get install default-jre:i386', i get: 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: default-jre:i386 : Depends: openjdk-6-jre:i386 (>= 6b23~pre8-2~) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.' What is a "held" package? Also, I'm on arch amd64 |
| 02:26.40 | ex-parrot | maroloccio: I think you missed the point of what I was asking |
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| 02:27.51 | maroloccio | ex-parrot: possibly :) |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | zr0: possibly a security package? |
| 02:29.31 | maroloccio | i was referring to code you write and setuid setgid if you need to at some point. |
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| 02:31.23 | zr0 | abrotman: i'm missing a security package? |
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| 02:35.04 | abrotman | i'm asking if it depends on one |
| 02:35.34 | Natasha93 | 21/f/fl let me no if u want 2 cyber. here's my nude pics: http://bodyofchri.st/members/images/238854 |
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| 02:37.34 | abrotman | from philly eh? |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | so close to Florida :) |
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| 02:53.32 | moof2_ | vers 22 of iceweasel is in experimental... |
| 02:53.47 | dvs | dont get it from experimental |
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| 02:55.09 | moof2_ | is 22 also available elsewhere? |
| 02:55.23 | dvs | !tell moof2_ about mdn |
| 02:55.48 | dvs | boy, that needs to be updated |
| 02:56.09 | dvs | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 03:03.00 | moof2_ | dvs, is the url the only thing about the factoid that's inaccurate? |
| 03:03.42 | dvs | moof2_: No, the url is the only thing that IS accurate |
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| 04:03.07 | daveee123 | anyone here use pidgin? I can't figure out how to scroll through the previous messages i've sent. on other clients i would just use the up arrow and in the text box it would show me everything i have written, like in terminal. anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 04:06.21 | Rusty1 | daveee123: ask on #pidgin ? |
| 04:07.14 | daveee123 | nice, didn't know that existed. thanks Rusty1 |
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| 04:15.46 | relic239 | hello, how would i copy the contents of one directory (including sub directorys) from 1 dir to another? |
| 04:16.07 | moof2_ | man cp, look at -a |
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| 04:45.55 | jaggz | can I boot an install off a single CD? |
| 04:46.50 | jaggz | trying to install on an old laptop.. usb install doesn't seem to be working.. it doesn't have dvd |
| 04:48.58 | LtL | jaggz: yes you can |
| 04:49.28 | jaggz | thanks.. and it can do a netinstall from that point? |
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| 04:50.06 | moof2_ | yes assuming the installer supports your nic |
| 04:50.41 | moof2_ | otherwise you can install base-only (which is on netinstalls) and go from there |
| 04:50.52 | LtL | jaggz: i believe theres still a netinstall image which is very small, or a regular cd image which has a full instal on it. you choose |
| 04:51.23 | jaggz | thank you :) |
| 04:52.02 | moof2_ | cd1 is a netinstall with more packages |
| 04:52.39 | moof2_ | the netinstalls are something like 230 mb |
| 04:53.18 | jaggz | excellent.. thanks |
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| 04:59.07 | jaggz | trying the usb one more time.. I'm in windows trying to use xboot to put the iso on a usb stick. |
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| 05:04.54 | pythonsnake | what can you do with a server excepring mail, web, dns, bots, orc, building stuff |
| 05:04.56 | pythonsnake | ? |
| 05:05.27 | pythonsnake | excepting*, irc* |
| 05:05.28 | jaggz | orc? |
| 05:05.46 | pythonsnake | irc* |
| 05:05.52 | jaggz | oh |
| 05:06.00 | phy1729 | tunnel your traffic if you're in a shady network |
| 05:06.11 | jaggz | probably billions of different types of servers/services |
| 05:06.34 | jaggz | use it for seti resources.. yeah you can tunnel.. bridge.. be a firewall.. |
| 05:06.53 | jaggz | used to have the protein folding project.. that's still going I'd imagine but I recall something weird about it |
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| 05:07.18 | jaggz | jabber :) |
| 05:07.54 | pythonsnake | hmm |
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| 05:08.25 | jaggz | hosting sourcecode (git/svn/...) |
| 05:08.46 | jaggz | organizational tools for collaborative work |
| 05:08.50 | pythonsnake | yeah, accessible accross workstations |
| 05:08.53 | phy1729 | hosting dotfiles in git |
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| 05:09.11 | pythonsnake | jaggz: like what? |
| 05:09.13 | jaggz | file servers :) (ftp hosts) |
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| 05:09.35 | jaggz | pythonsnake, CRM software |
| 05:09.46 | phy1729 | highly reccomends putting your dotfiles in a git repo if you use more than 2 computers |
| 05:09.47 | jaggz | I don't have much experience with those things.. and many are web-based |
| 05:10.05 | jaggz | what's a dotfile? |
| 05:10.25 | pythonsnake | config file |
| 05:10.28 | moof2_ | file with a . as first char |
| 05:10.38 | moof2_ | aka hidden file |
| 05:10.48 | pythonsnake | probably config file |
| 05:10.53 | jaggz | you mean, like keeping your .bashrc and .vimrc? |
| 05:11.00 | pythonsnake | ye |
| 05:11.03 | moof2_ | yeah, usually located in home dir |
| 05:11.05 | jaggz | that's a good idea |
| 05:11.08 | jaggz | thanks |
| 05:11.15 | jaggz | always had issues with that sorta thing |
| 05:11.49 | phy1729 | jaggz: I use https://github.com/justone/dotfiles to help with it |
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| 05:16.09 | moof2_ | one thing, you probably don't want to store your dotfiles on github, but on your own ssh-accessable remote, or on a single machine in your net |
| 05:16.25 | moof2_ | sometimes .files have sensitive info in them |
| 05:16.30 | phy1729 | moof2_: or use a private bitbucket repo |
| 05:17.01 | jaggz | yeah, definitely private |
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| 05:17.51 | moof2_ | yeah, that does work... personally, I don't like anyone but me controlling machines that have my passwords |
| 05:18.11 | phy1729 | what passwords do you have in dotfiles? |
| 05:18.27 | moof2_ | I think this conversation is over :) |
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| 06:00.25 | mmnicolas | this used to be common practice with things like fetchmail |
| 06:00.44 | mmnicolas | what about web browser cache, that's in the dotfiles too |
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| 06:01.42 | marcusk | It happens |
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| 06:02.01 | moof2_ | dotdirs to be more precise |
| 06:02.07 | mmnicolas | obviously you should carefully cherry pick which dotfile you want under version control or just to share |
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| 06:47.52 | boudiccas | how do i get the 'notification' plugin working in xfce please? its grayed out in the 'add item gui' |
| 06:49.18 | tapout | i have a binary called qmv, and i can't remember the package name. What's that command that shows the aptitude package again? |
| 06:50.05 | boudiccas | tapout, apt cache search |
| 06:50.46 | tapout | cheers |
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| 06:55.29 | \\Mr_C\\ | whats the most popular irc client for linux? |
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| 07:01.48 | NotJimCarrey | irssi |
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| 07:02.15 | NotJimCarrey | or probably xchat if you use gui |
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| 07:03.15 | tapout | weechat is nice |
| 07:03.26 | tapout | i just migrated to weechat, and i like it better than irssi |
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| 07:05.06 | Zharf | unpossible! |
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| 07:08.56 | jargon | weechat sucks nads |
| 07:09.12 | poniol | To each their own |
| 07:09.55 | jargon | the only thing worse than weechat is the weechat irc channel |
| 07:10.03 | jargon | but yeah to each their own :-) |
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| 07:10.15 | poniol | The only thing worse than Ubuntu is the Ubuntu irc channel |
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| 07:10.50 | jargon | poniol: the whole damn ubuntu community. not just their irc |
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| 07:11.28 | poniol | "This is broken [and/or makes no sense]." "Lol u mad bro?" From their irc channel |
| 07:12.15 | jargon | poniol: sounds about right |
| 07:12.20 | rjsalts | someone said they like quassel for graphical irc client the other week |
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| 07:13.24 | dcrypt | who would use ubuntu? canonical and their zeitgeist wrapped packages |
| 07:13.31 | dcrypt | ya no thanks |
| 07:13.49 | jargon | ^ |
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| 07:14.01 | jargon | i quit ubuntu a long time agon |
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| 07:14.06 | jargon | ago* |
| 07:14.21 | dcrypt | i installed it, saw an amazon ad pop up in unity search and freaked out... i'm the type of admin that installs linux without it being connected to the internet, i setup iptables, kill all services then connect and update.. |
| 07:14.30 | dcrypt | lol ya |
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| 07:14.33 | dcrypt | it's garbage |
| 07:14.41 | jargon | putting it mildly |
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| 07:15.19 | jargon | the only thing i like about ubuntu is it keeps all the idiots off my radar |
| 07:15.26 | dcrypt | lol |
| 07:15.29 | jargon | and concentrated in one out of sight place |
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| 07:15.36 | jargon | for that i love ubuntu! :P |
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| 07:18.07 | Qais | Hi guys, i'm new to the world of debian and loving it so far. What would you recommend as the best option for a minimal install to build on top of? Speaking of ubuntu I have used ubuntu server as a starter in the past and built up from there, is there anything similar with Debian? |
| 07:18.32 | deroot | Why Linux can run CLI applications from GDM? for example if you set wget in crontab file, wget can be started at the predefined time in crontab file without login to desktop -> it does not need authentication! |
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| 07:19.02 | BenNZ | Qais: a net install of debian will give you a minimal install |
| 07:19.08 | swiftkey | hello there |
| 07:19.17 | swiftkey | i can ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 07:19.19 | swiftkey | but not google.com |
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| 07:21.41 | smw | deroot, you needed authentication to add the program to your crontab |
| 07:21.59 | smw | deroot, no reason the user should need to be logged in for a scheduled job to run |
| 07:22.42 | dcrypt | swiftkey, that's a dns problem |
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| 07:23.00 | dcrypt | check your resolv.conf |
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| 07:23.25 | Qais | Hi BenNZ, thanks for that. Is there an non-net install alternative? I also like to set everything up without net connection first. |
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| 07:24.18 | dcrypt | Qais, when you boot the debian CD goto advanced options from the boot menu and use expert install, after the base is installed, uncheck all of the packages like desktop environment, print server, etc. |
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| 07:24.56 | Qais | Am I right in thinking the Live images are smaller and more minimal than the CD / DVD images? |
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| 07:25.08 | dcrypt | you just need to download dvd1 |
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| 07:25.28 | Qais | Ah ok thanks decrypt, so the CD would be my best option. |
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| 07:25.40 | dcrypt | unless you wanted to use the minimal net install. ya |
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| 07:25.53 | jelly-home | Qais: netinst image actually contains everything needed for a base installation |
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| 07:25.58 | tralala | Qais, are you installing it on an offline system? |
| 07:26.01 | dcrypt | which is actually an image you install from, it just asumes all the packages after that are coming from the internet |
| 07:26.07 | Qais | Yes offline. |
| 07:26.08 | bda | Yes offline. |
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| 07:26.58 | tralala | then CD1 should get you to a good start or DVD1 if you don't mind the download |
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| 07:27.29 | Qais | Ok got it, so net install will do, then uncheck print server, desktop env etc. |
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| 07:27.47 | dcrypt | the net install doesn't have those items available, it's just a core install of deb 7.1 |
| 07:27.54 | dcrypt | the dvd has those options |
| 07:27.57 | tralala | and I believe there's an alternative CD1 with XFCE if you're not very fond of Gnome3 |
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| 07:29.12 | Qais | yes my aim is a base install with xfce4 |
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| 07:29.54 | tralala | then simply get the appropriate CD1 |
| 07:30.07 | dcrypt | you could install xubuntu =) |
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| 07:30.39 | Fermata | w 15 |
| 07:30.53 | Qais | I'm downloading debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop now. |
| 07:31.13 | dcrypt | sounds old |
| 07:31.15 | Qais | hehe, been down that road decrypt.. |
| 07:32.20 | dcrypt | hehe |
| 07:32.33 | dcrypt | good call |
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| 07:35.52 | Qais | Well you guys have been very helpful and friendly. My first time back on irc in over 10 years.. |
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| 07:36.07 | Qais | Thank you very much guys. |
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| 07:41.23 | swiftkey | hello i can ping 8.8.8.8 but i cant ping google.com |
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| 07:43.13 | dcrypt | swiftkey, sounds like a dns problem |
| 07:43.22 | dcrypt | check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:43.40 | marcusk | swiftkey: Do you actually experience any problem with accessing google.com? |
| 07:43.55 | swiftkey | i cant |
| 07:44.26 | marcusk | You can't what? |
| 07:44.42 | swiftkey | i cant surf google |
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| 07:45.50 | jargon | people still say surf? |
| 07:45.58 | swiftkey | browse |
| 07:45.59 | swiftkey | :) |
| 07:46.02 | dcrypt | jargon, yea if they are using netscape |
| 07:46.13 | jargon | lol |
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| 07:46.20 | swiftkey | domain samba.local |
| 07:46.20 | swiftkey | search samba.local |
| 07:46.20 | swiftkey | nameserver 192.168.0.50 |
| 07:46.22 | swiftkey | i got this |
| 07:46.33 | swiftkey | should be 8.8.8.8? |
| 07:46.37 | jargon | that doesn't look like what you want |
| 07:46.40 | dcrypt | ya try that |
| 07:46.49 | dcrypt | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 07:46.58 | swiftkey | got it |
| 07:46.59 | swiftkey | hmm |
| 07:47.05 | swiftkey | need to immute this |
| 07:47.05 | dcrypt | now ping google.ca |
| 07:47.08 | tralala | Qais, you're welcome. Good luck on your debian journey :) |
| 07:47.11 | marcusk | Unless you actually wanted 192.168.0.50 to be your nameserver |
| 07:47.16 | swiftkey | argh |
| 07:47.20 | swiftkey | its working now |
| 07:47.23 | dcrypt | swiftkey, chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:47.32 | swiftkey | need to immute it |
| 07:47.32 | dcrypt | will lock your resolv file from being changed |
| 07:47.33 | swiftkey | thanks |
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| 07:47.45 | Rockj | swiftkey: that will break internal network resources if you have a NAS or something maybe. sounds like your device at 192.168.0.50 isn't propertly configured. :) |
| 07:48.08 | dcrypt | probably his router |
| 07:48.15 | dcrypt | with bad dns server's |
| 07:48.25 | dcrypt | use google's, much better anyway |
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| 07:49.16 | Rockj | running your own > * ;-) |
| 07:50.29 | tralala | especially in terms of time spent |
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| 07:52.09 | dcrypt | swiftkey, it's not like 8.8.8.8 ever fails, but you might want to add in their secondary dns server in your resolv.conf also |
| 07:52.15 | dcrypt | i think it's 8.8.4.4 |
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| 07:54.13 | swiftkey | just name another dns forwarder?? |
| 07:54.23 | swiftkey | just add another dns forwarder?? |
| 07:55.00 | swiftkey | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 07:55.01 | swiftkey | nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
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| 08:00.52 | dcrypt | swiftkey, ya just like that, below the primary one |
| 08:01.03 | dcrypt | it's good practice, redundancy is important in networking |
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| 08:07.53 | rjsalts | dcrypt: I like to use 127.0.0.1 for my resolver. Run a copy of unbound. dnssec-trigger would probably be good too |
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| 08:10.17 | dcrypt | that would speed things up |
| 08:10.23 | marcusk | rjsalts: Kind of defeats the purpose though, since a shared name server will have better probability to cache requests. |
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| 08:11.31 | dan2k3k4_ | anyone got an LG NAS N1T1? It runs Lenny and I want to update it but not sure how (as it's LG running some custom kernels etc. for the NAS) |
| 08:11.50 | quntoz | can any one give me help on installing debian on a mbp from a fresh install instead of updating an existing one like in this article http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2830 |
| 08:12.20 | marcusk | dcrypt: Well, not the first time the request is made or after the previous record timed out. |
| 08:12.36 | dcrypt | once it's cached |
| 08:12.58 | dcrypt | same thing like a web proxy |
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| 08:14.55 | rjsalts | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-hammer-00 might help keep the cache primed. Looks like one of the authors is from ISC ( makers of bind) |
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| 08:18.05 | malat | I need a live system with a kernel 3.8 where can I find it ? |
| 08:18.17 | malat | I checked on: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ but that is wheezy only |
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| 08:21.01 | cast | i'm wanting to automate my install using preseeding, though question: what happens to my LUKS root disk encryption? hard coded password? interactively entered? [would be ok] not supported? |
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| 08:49.55 | boudiccas | how do i get the 'notification' plugin working in xfce please? its grayed out in the 'add item gui' |
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| 08:52.52 | nkuttler | boudiccas: make sure you have related packages installed? |
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| 08:53.16 | boudiccas | nkuttler, afaik i have |
| 08:53.38 | boudiccas | got xfce4-goodies, and it hsould be in there |
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| 08:55.53 | nkuttler | boudiccas: i guess you could try to send a notification by hand and see if there's some relevant output. i think notify-send can do that.. |
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| 08:56.31 | boudiccas | nkuttler, yes, i've got 'notify-send' working well, but still got it grayed out in the gui |
| 08:56.50 | boudiccas | i use notify-send with my obnam backup |
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| 08:57.16 | confined | how do I re-install all my xorg packages? (some of the config files might have been modified by another package and ruined, apparently) |
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| 09:03.25 | confined | trying apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 09:08.03 | Ubuh-Huntuh | i need to intercept a client server tcp/ip connection and modify the content of the binary file being transferred from the server to the client. this is for testing the checksum algorithm done at the client side. any way to do this with a linux gateway setup to forward traffic in the middle? |
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| 09:11.14 | nl287 | i have lots of connection/disconnection from china ip |
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| 09:12.17 | boudiccas | cinnamon has this nice feature of being able to store notification messages for you to read later on, how can i do the same in xfce please? |
| 09:13.37 | nkuttler | nl287: good for you! |
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| 09:15.12 | nl287 | nkuttler: but this is to postfix. connect and disconnect from China Unicom Shandong province network |
| 09:16.45 | cast | does the debian installer assume anything about the integrity of the network connection to the mirrors? |
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| 09:18.24 | ksk | cast: the install media has public keys on it - if the packages you get via "net" dont "match" cpyptographicly it should tell you - if thats what you mean. if not ask what you really want to know |
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| 09:23.30 | cast | ksk: thats about what i was curious about |
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| 09:24.09 | cast | am aware that the install media has keys, and it *should* or at least *could, but at times things are not as one assumes |
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| 09:27.06 | Monotoko | hey, I've taken over a debian machine at work as my workstation - it's running Jessie and the classic shell as far as I can tell - according to gnome-tweak-tool stuff like "Computer" should be visible on my desktop - but I see nothing |
| 09:27.29 | Monotoko | ideally I'd like for everything in my ~/Desktop folder to be on my desktop... |
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| 09:28.41 | marcusk | It's been a while since I used Gnome, but I think I remember that you can enable that with gnome-tweak-tool. |
| 09:28.58 | nkuttler | nl287: fwiw, i've had good experience with the KNOWN setting, see man hosts_access, but you could also just firewall ip ranges.. |
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| 09:30.02 | marcusk | Monotoko: Yep, gnome-tweak-tool, under Desktop: Enable "Have file manager handle the desktop" |
| 09:30.53 | nkuttler | Monotoko: did you create a new user account for yourself? |
| 09:31.06 | Monotoko | marcusk, got it - thanks :) |
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| 09:31.30 | Monotoko | and nkuttler, not yet - I need the stuff my predecessor had |
| 09:31.59 | Monotoko | got to sort through it all... there's 15 years worth of files .-. |
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| 09:35.36 | tuxcrafter | im having something wierd in my debian firewall |
| 09:35.51 | tuxcrafter | if i restart the networking the system works for a few minutes |
| 09:36.00 | tuxcrafter | and then all networking is unreachable |
| 09:36.11 | tuxcrafter | i can log in over serial console |
| 09:36.28 | tuxcrafter | and restart the networking and it works again for a few minutes then its dead again |
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| 09:36.36 | tuxcrafter | no messages in syslog or dmesg |
| 09:36.50 | koollman | does it work if you disable the firewall ? |
| 09:37.43 | tuxcrafter | the iptabels is the same as on my second firewall that works without the problems |
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| 09:38.11 | tuxcrafter | im using -A POSTROUTING -o vlan4 -j MASQUERADE to make the outgoing network work |
| 09:38.24 | tuxcrafter | i will try disabling iptables |
| 09:40.12 | thnee | tips on safe ways to store passwords? in a way that can be shared with team members? I'm thinking, just encrypt a file and put it in a git repo? but if so, what encryption tool? |
| 09:40.42 | Mickeytje | nope |
| 09:40.44 | Mickeytje | thnee :) |
| 09:40.48 | Mickeytje | use something with key's |
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| 09:40.53 | Mickeytje | like a lux format container |
| 09:40.59 | Mickeytje | loopback device maybe |
| 09:41.04 | Mickeytje | oor keepassx |
| 09:41.22 | Mickeytje | so if one of your friends leaves you can revoke the key |
| 09:41.28 | Mickeytje | instead of sharing all one passphrase |
| 09:41.37 | thnee | keepass requires mono and xquartz to run on mac.. not ideal |
| 09:41.48 | Mickeytje | oh mac? |
| 09:41.50 | Mickeytje | ohhhh |
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| 09:42.03 | Mickeytje | Dunno then ;) |
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| 09:42.16 | Mickeytje | I know several people who use a gpg file for this |
| 09:42.18 | thnee | well we are developers so I was thinking if there is a linux command line tool, I could probably wrap it for Mac users |
| 09:42.22 | Mickeytje | encrypted for multiable recievers |
| 09:42.34 | Mickeytje | updated every night or so |
| 09:42.36 | thnee | interesting, that could work |
| 09:42.37 | Mickeytje | but that is a hassle |
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| 09:42.48 | Mickeytje | unless you do it from a central point |
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| 09:43.00 | Mickeytje | all depens how much the database mutates |
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| 09:44.50 | thnee | truecrypt could work well for this |
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| 09:46.15 | thnee | it even supports sharing file containers over network http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/sharing-over-network |
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| 09:53.37 | dash_ | In which package is gst-inspect binary located? (Gstreamer inspect) |
| 09:53.47 | Kromitvs | Hy. Where can I find why didn't xemacs entered Debian Wheezy? Is there a forum/log? (I'm having some diffculties understand the package page) |
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| 09:55.13 | tuxcrafter | im seeing dropped packets in ifconfig |
| 09:55.52 | nl287 | why in jassie there is not php-apc? |
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| 09:58.53 | nkuttler | ,v php-apc |
| 09:58.54 | judd | Package: php-apc on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3p1-2; squeeze-backports: 3.1.9-0.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.1.13-1; sid: 4.0.1-4 |
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| 09:59.05 | nkuttler | !why is php-apc not in testing |
| 09:59.05 | dpkg | php-apc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php-apc |
| 09:59.07 | nkuttler | nl287: ^^ |
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| 10:00.12 | nl287 | nkuttler: thx |
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| 10:05.42 | ChrisH | Any tip on this message (first time seen and not yet searched in google): Jul 8 08:04:31 clio4 kernel: [1883867.899297] skge 0000:05:0c.0: PCI error cmd=0x147 status=0xc2b0 |
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| 10:07.36 | tgs3 | how to make xfce, and kde+openbox, to cache SSH passphrases, in the same way as gnome desktop does? |
| 10:07.56 | ChrisH | It ended in a kernel dump and then no more of these lines. |
| 10:08.21 | cast | tgs3: ssh-agent is a sorta universal way |
| 10:08.56 | tgs3 | cast: so I want to make xfce use it by default... do you know how? |
| 10:09.25 | cast | its probably not xfce you want to use it, but your bash sessions |
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| 10:10.15 | ChrisH | https://paste.debian.net/14950/ |
| 10:11.03 | tgs3 | cast: no, I start xfce from X (from gdm3 for example) and I want entier xfce-session to have ssh-agent ready and asking/storing my passphrase using graphical pinentry same as gnome does or simimlar |
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| 10:13.28 | ksk | so pick a ssh-agent and make your xfce start it? cant be that hard... |
| 10:13.44 | babilen | ChrisH: skge is the module used by your marvell yukon 88E8001 NIC (eth0) |
| 10:14.05 | ksk | like "aptitude search ssh-agent" (look for some graphical-foo) && google "autostart xfce" |
| 10:14.11 | ChrisH | babilen: so blacklisting it would be an option |
| 10:14.46 | babilen | ChrisH: Certainly -- you say that you don't use that one anyway. Would removing the hardware not be a better idea? (if possible) |
| 10:15.05 | babilen | (or disabling it in the BIOS, if possible) |
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| 10:15.32 | ChrisH | babilen: removing is not possible as onboard. rmmod cause this line: INT A is 10 and is different from 17? [1898869.528068] skge 0000:05:0c.0: PCI INT A disabled |
| 10:16.12 | babilen | ChrisH: I'd recommend "modprobe -r" in general |
| 10:16.50 | babilen | Interface has been deactivated and all that? |
| 10:16.55 | babilen | oh, sry .. brb |
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| 10:17.14 | ChrisH | babilen: ifconfig -a only shows eth1 as expected |
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| 10:20.02 | The-Compiler | Heya! With a debian package, how can I view what ./configure options where used while building it, like a PKGBUILD on arch linux? |
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| 10:23.47 | babilen | ChrisH: Has the module been removed? (cf. "lsmod") |
| 10:23.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell The-Compiler about debian/rules |
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| 10:25.45 | HollyRain | hi! could yoy say me if the next file exists on this distro? Thanks! ls /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 10:28.42 | ChrisH | babilen: all fine. the only thing I found strange was the INT A (10) vs. 17 |
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| 10:38.05 | epta | Is there a way to configure apt-get to make it unable to install specific package X without mentioning a version? |
| 10:38.44 | epta | So only for package X `apt-get install X` will failed and only `apt-get install X=1.2.3` will works |
| 10:38.45 | cast | sounds obscure and strange functionality |
| 10:38.57 | cast | why would anyone want that? |
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| 10:40.00 | epta | Single deb-repo shared between many environments, so it is no good to automatically install deb package from testing environment to production |
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| 10:40.51 | cast | eh |
| 10:40.57 | cast | split up the repos |
| 10:41.05 | epta | Any other solution? |
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| 10:41.28 | CommaCrazy | hi all |
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| 10:41.57 | cast | betterto just split up the repos, suppose you get what you want, what of aptitude install X? |
| 10:42.11 | babilen | epta: I am not aware of any way to achieve what you want and I would simply recommend to maintain a number of releases within your own repository if you have multiple environments. |
| 10:42.38 | babilen | separate environment that is |
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| 10:43.00 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel |
| 10:43.03 | jasonsmr | Question ,say I was to purchase a laptop , can I put linux on it? ;P |
| 10:43.13 | cast | jasonsmr: yes. |
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| 10:44.58 | tuxcrafter | found the issue 3.2 kernel doesnt work correctly with bonding and vlans and lacp |
| 10:45.11 | tuxcrafter | went back to 2.6 and all is stable again |
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| 11:07.06 | Mickeytje | Hey people |
| 11:07.11 | Mickeytje | If anyone using icedove+enigmail |
| 11:07.21 | Mickeytje | seems that after the last package update, enigmail is broken |
| 11:07.29 | Mickeytje | if/is/ |
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| 11:14.15 | usrnix | Hi, is it just me or is debian.net's download speeds under 100kbps usually? |
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| 11:16.12 | babilen | usrnix: Are you referring to http.debian.net ? Or what do you mean exactly? |
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| 11:17.16 | usrnix | babilen, using their repositories |
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| 11:18.01 | babilen | usrnix: Whose repositories? Please remind yourself that I have no idea what you've been doing before you came here and that I have no more information than what you give me. |
| 11:18.30 | babilen | My crystal ball mutters something like: "usrnix is downloading packages from the http.debian.net mirror and is seeing slow speeds" but that is pure conjecture |
| 11:18.34 | usrnix | babilen, I said debian.net's, to be specific mozilla.debian.net if that makes a difference; just downloading Icedove and Iceweasel at relatively low speeds |
| 11:18.46 | BenBE | Does anyone know a way to programmatically read the memory map of the own process without parsing the procfs? |
| 11:18.47 | babilen | usrnix: It makes a massive difference |
| 11:19.12 | usrnix | babilen, Assumed it would all be the same server, my mistake |
| 11:19.15 | babilen | usrnix: Let me see what I get -- It is definitely not a well known problem. |
| 11:19.21 | babilen | usrnix: Far from it. |
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| 11:20.19 | usrnix | babilen, Ah ok, but yea I'm in the UK and I regularly get under 100kbps and I think it's nearer to 40kbps when updating iceweasel if I remember correctly |
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| 11:23.48 | babilen | usrnix: I get around 500KB/s which is abysmally slow for my downlink |
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| 11:24.55 | usrnix | A couple of separate questions if anyone could help; I can't add any accounts under Icedove, I get to the last step, says password is fine but doesn't progress in any way; also is IceCat not packaged for debian? I know Iceweasel is mostly the same but they're still different |
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| 11:26.26 | babilen | usrnix: Icecat is not packaged - can't help you with Icedove as I don't use it. |
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| 11:26.50 | usrnix | babilen, which e-mail client do you use? |
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| 11:27.04 | babilen | usrnix: fwiw, I get 7.21MB/s when I download http://the.earth.li/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_22.0-1_amd64.deb so mozilla.debian.net is definitely a bit slow |
| 11:27.07 | babilen | usrnix: mutt |
| 11:27.13 | pimplord | usrnix: bash |
| 11:28.23 | usrnix | babilen, ah, I'd rather use that so maybe it's time to learn it |
| 11:28.34 | Mickeytje | there has been a lot of fixes last week |
| 11:28.50 | Mickeytje | I have the feeling (but can be wrong) that there are some bugs introduced |
| 11:29.06 | babilen | Mickeytje: Introduced to what? |
| 11:29.10 | jelly | pimplord: don't |
| 11:29.20 | pimplord | mutt is so last century, has no pretty pics :( |
| 11:29.37 | usrnix | pimplord, down with pretty pics! :P |
| 11:29.45 | babilen | pimplord: You are free to use whatever you want, but please refrain from intentionally giving wrong answers. Thanks. |
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| 11:31.29 | Mickeytje | babilen: depencies problems with enigmail |
| 11:31.32 | Mickeytje | or gpg-agent |
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| 11:39.31 | jubo2 | Hello. Thank you, Shukran, Shukran Debian devels. |
| 11:39.39 | jubo2 | where is package search tool.. I needs to find some package to install that will give me 'arp' tool |
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| 11:40.03 | pimplord | apt-cache search |
| 11:40.21 | pimplord | or apt-file find |
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| 11:42.40 | mumpitzel | !tell jubo2 about search |
| 11:42.53 | jubo2 | and I am supposed to grep from the output that I want precisely something ending in "arp", not like arp anywhere in a string ( they look like filenames ) |
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| 11:43.17 | pimplord | apparently its the net-tools package |
| 11:43.31 | mumpitzel | you look for "bin/arp" for example. e.g. on packages.debian.org |
| 11:43.41 | pimplord | apt-file find /usr/sbin/arp |
| 11:43.46 | The-Compiler | jubo2: I think apt-file -F would do that |
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| 11:57.41 | wolfez | Is it possible to get the new linux kernel on debian |
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| 11:59.35 | wolfez | ? |
| 12:00.18 | cast | yes. |
| 12:00.20 | usrnix | wolfez, which one? you can compile whatever you want |
| 12:01.00 | wolfez | usrnix: The newest |
| 12:01.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wolfez about bdo |
| 12:01.07 | usrnix | my rule on kernels is if you don't have a specific feature you need from a later version, you shouldn't concern yourself |
| 12:01.10 | abrotman | wolfez: there's already a 3.9.x in backports |
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| 12:02.36 | wolfez | the newest is mainline: 3.10 |
| 12:02.48 | abrotman | and why do you need it? |
| 12:02.59 | wolfez | abrotman: I want to test it :)} |
| 12:03.11 | abrotman | you're on your own, good luck! |
| 12:03.15 | abrotman | kernel.org has instructions on how to compile a kernel |
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| 12:03.51 | merovingien | Hello, i need some help. I'm trying to set capabilities on ruby, the way a normal user can bind port under 1080. but whenever i setcap cap_net_raw,cap_net_admin,cap_net_bind_service+p /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1, and run ruby1.9.1 i got segmentation fault. any idea? |
| 12:03.54 | usrnix | wolfez, compile it then |
| 12:04.34 | abrotman | merovingien: which port specifically? |
| 12:04.47 | merovingien | abrotman: 80 for example |
| 12:05.03 | abrotman | merovingien: non-root cannot bind under 1024 |
| 12:05.31 | merovingien | abrotman: yes but with setcap a non-root can |
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| 12:06.45 | merovingien | abrotman: i already did that for some binaries, like python, nmap and others. but it segfaults for ruby |
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| 12:07.07 | abrotman | merovingien: if you use strace, can you see where? |
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| 12:08.24 | merovingien | abrotman: don't have strace, i'm installing it right now |
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| 12:08.50 | abrotman | also, ltrace may come in handy, but strace is usually enough to get started |
| 12:09.04 | merovingien | sorry, but i don't know how to use it :s |
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| 12:10.33 | abrotman | merovingien: strace -o /tmp/strace.log ./myruby.exe ... or whatever it is |
| 12:10.41 | abrotman | might be -O .. |
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| 12:12.15 | merovingien | abrotman: i got the file, it got to many traces |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | read through it, look for the fault |
| 12:14.13 | merovingien | wow :-) i think i won't find it. i'm not familliared with system debugging |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | merovingien: start at the bottom |
| 12:15.35 | merovingien | it says that it was killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 12:15.43 | merovingien | mmap(NULL, 1527584, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x7f61c7e27000 |
| 12:15.43 | merovingien | close(3) = 0 |
| 12:15.43 | merovingien | getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024, rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0 |
| 12:15.44 | merovingien | rt_sigaction(SIGVTALRM, {0x7f61c7aefc00, [], SA_RESTORER|SA_SIGINFO, 0x7f61c7792ff0}, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 |
| 12:15.44 | merovingien | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 12:15.44 | merovingien | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 12:15.51 | petn-randall | facepalms. |
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| 12:16.13 | merovingien | oops ! sorry |
| 12:18.37 | petn-randall | merovingien: Put that to http://paste.debian.net, please. Thanks :) |
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| 12:26.45 | merovingien | petn-randall: i'm adding a post on debian.net |
| 12:26.46 | Kromitvs | Hy. Where can I find why didn't xemacs entered Debian Wheezy? Is there a forum/log? (I'm having some diffculties understand the package page) |
| 12:27.49 | Walex | Kromitvs: probably there is an entry in the bugs database |
| 12:29.11 | merovingien | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/14977/ |
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| 12:40.12 | petn-randall | ,why xemacs |
| 12:40.13 | judd | (why <package1> <package2> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>] [--norecommends]) -- Find dependency chains between the two packages within the specified release and architecture. By default, recommended packages are checked too and the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 12:40.59 | dep_ | How do i remove a file with name <F11> or do i need to use file number? |
| 12:41.06 | tormen | Hi. I need help in finding the available version of "Source Package: linux" on CLI. |
| 12:41.37 | tormen | I tried apt-cache search "^linux$" --> nothing (does only seem to find "deb" and not "deb-src" packages ? |
| 12:41.52 | petn-randall | Kromitvs: on the package page (http://packages.debian.org/sid/xemacs21), there a link on the right to "Developer Information (PTS)". Usually you'll find your answer there. |
| 12:42.03 | TeddieeB | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 12:42.11 | TeddieeB | I think that'll bring em up |
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| 12:43.09 | tormen | TeddieeB: Hmm. Thats what I tried as well, but where can I see this version: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy-backports/linux ? |
| 12:43.14 | petn-randall | Kromitvs: I guess the reason was that there are 4 RC bugs, which is why it never transitioned to wheezy. |
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| 12:43.44 | theunixfreak | is wheezy slow? |
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| 12:44.11 | TeddieeB | I don't have a problem with slowness with wheezy |
| 12:44.19 | TeddieeB | use it as my primary system on multiple machines |
| 12:44.29 | tormen | TeddieeB: apt-get source linux-source-3.9 --> picks "linux" and picks latest version (--> 3.10...) |
| 12:44.37 | TeddieeB | but mind you most of my hardware is overkill at this point |
| 12:44.41 | petn-randall | theunixfreak: It'll turn off at speeds above 190pm/h when it yanks out the electric plug. |
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| 12:44.56 | theunixfreak | i have an atom N550, running Squeeze, should I upgrade to Wheezy? |
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| 12:45.20 | TeddieeB | apt-get source... nice, I didn't know about that trigger. have to look into it |
| 12:45.46 | petn-randall | theunixfreak: What are you doing with it? |
| 12:46.03 | tormen | TeddieeB: apt-get install linux-source-3.9 does not install the source package, but only the binary package of the sources (so I am missing the "debian" directory with debian/rules.gen |
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| 12:46.54 | tormen | Hi all. How can I install the sources of the latest wheezy-backports linux kernel (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1) ? |
| 12:47.21 | tormen | I must be missing something obvious here .. I just don't get what :(( |
| 12:47.48 | tormen | apt-get source ... ? |
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| 12:48.16 | petn-randall | tormen: You already answered you own question: apt-get install linux-source-3.9. Maybe you have to explain what you're trying to do and why it doesn't work to solve your problem. |
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| 12:48.25 | TeddieeB | I don't think I'm going to be helpful. I think I know a good bit about apt. but your over my head on this one |
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| 12:49.08 | future28 | Hi, I have a wifi/bluetooth pcie chip, and the bluetooth is working fine but the wifi is not found whatsoever. Any idea anyone? Occasionally the wifi does work but then after a reboot it may not exist. |
| 12:49.29 | petn-randall | tormen: If you want the sources to a binary package, you can always do that with 'apt-get source <packagename>', though you need the right deb-src entries in your sources.list for that. |
| 12:50.21 | tormen | petn-randall: but I think this does not install not a source package for me. I would like to "install" (apt-get source) this package here http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy-backports/linux |
| 12:50.36 | petn-randall | future28: What's the PCI ID? In the transition from squeeze → wheezy lots of firmware got singled out into separate packages. Maybe you're just missing the firmware. |
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| 12:51.25 | future28 | petn-randall: lspci yeilds nothing :s |
| 12:51.32 | petn-randall | tormen: You didn't answer my question. What do you want to do with it? Why doesn't 'apt-get source linux' work for you? |
| 12:51.39 | petn-randall | future28: define 'nothing' |
| 12:51.48 | future28 | petn-randall: Nothing to do with atheros |
| 12:52.00 | tormen | petn-randall: apt-get source linux pulls me the 3.10 but I would like 3.9.6 (from wheezy backpots) |
| 12:52.19 | petn-randall | future28: Paste the output of 'lspci -nn' (as root) to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:52.57 | petn-randall | tormen: Do you have a deb-src entry for wheezy-backports in your sources.list? |
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| 12:53.12 | future28 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/14980/ |
| 12:53.30 | tormen | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:54.09 | tormen | petn-randall: but also from experimental |
| 12:54.12 | TeddieeB | Tormen, if you know the package you wish to install. can you fetch the .deb, run a dpkg --install, then run apt-get install --fix-broken |
| 12:54.36 | petn-randall | tormen: I'm guessing you have a deb-src entry for experimental there, too. Either comment that out, or use 'apt-get source linux=3.9.6-1~bpo70+1' to get it. |
| 12:54.38 | TeddieeB | now mind you that doing this on an incompatable system may bork you. but if you have the deb. and can't find a repo |
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| 12:55.16 | petn-randall | tormen: You still haven't answered why you need the source package to a kernel, though. |
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| 12:55.24 | tormen | petn-randall: Cool. I only tried apt-get source linux-3.9.6-1~bpo70+1 ... |
| 12:55.29 | rossross | hi all |
| 12:55.29 | rossross | how is everyone here? |
| 12:55.45 | Nickname3 | hello, i installed the awesome WM using APT tool but i can't choose awesome in GDM menu |
| 12:56.14 | rossross | I'm curious as to how everyone manages their daily inboxes, living in a hectic and demanding environment (i.e. managing emails, tasks, requests by others, tickets in a ticketing system, project) without burning out !! :) |
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| 12:56.16 | tormen | petn-randall: Ok that's good. And now: How can I list this available source package version of "linux" ? |
| 12:56.19 | Nickname3 | it just show gnome classic and gnome3, but don't awesome |
| 12:56.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Nickname3 about .xsession |
| 12:56.52 | tormen | petn-randall: What I want is being able to compile debian kernel packages (image, header, kbuild) |
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| 12:57.08 | petn-randall | tormen: I only know 'apt-cache policy <packagename>' shows you the available versions of a binary package. Dunno if there's an equivalent for sources. |
| 12:57.32 | petn-randall | tormen: There are easier ways to build stock kernels, btw ... |
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| 12:58.36 | Nickname3 | okey abrotman thanks for the tip |
| 12:58.55 | tormen | petn-randall: apt-cache show linux does also only work for binary (seemingly) |
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| 12:59.10 | hikenboot | anyone know where and how I set phpmyadmin to work with a debian chroot...specifically where do I set the mysqld path that is inside chroot |
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| 12:59.59 | petn-randall | rossross: I use icedove + sort mails by broad topic (tickets, cron jobs, etc.), works great for me. |
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| 13:00.17 | tormen | petn-randall: I inspired myself here: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.5 |
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| 13:00.46 | _martin | hi, I created a backup of my files with cp. Now I used du to check if all files are copied and i get "du: `/USB/USB_HDD_4/www/projects/TimelineJS-master': No such file or directory" seems to be that the USB_HDD_4 filesystem is damaged or something ? |
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| 13:00.55 | rossross | petn-randall, looks very good! |
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| 13:01.37 | petn-randall | _martin: ... or that directory simply doesn't exist. |
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| 13:02.13 | _martin | I checked via samba... the folder does exists |
| 13:02.18 | ogi | _martin: or you connect USB disk on other USB channal. Thus check dmesg for messages |
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| 13:02.37 | tormen | petn-randall: But I not only need the kernel, but also the kbuild package (so that kernel dependend module packages can autocompile themself) |
| 13:02.43 | pynonoir | hi. I have a problem with my fresh wheezy install: it shows a list of all my music to my office's lan. How can I find which program is doing this? |
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| 13:03.32 | petn-randall | pynonoir: How is it showing up in your office's LAN? Windows shares? |
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| 13:03.34 | tormen | petn-randall: and I think for this you need kbuild and for this I need my above linux source package.... or is there another way ? |
| 13:04.45 | petn-randall | tormen: Easier way, using the vanilla kernel is: git checkout the stable series, configure it to your needs, the do 'make debpkg'. You'll get a package you can install. As long as the source stays there, other packages will be able to compile against the headers. |
| 13:04.47 | hikenboot | I setup a chroot in lighttpd.conf but it doesnt seem to work..trying a reboot |
| 13:05.24 | petn-randall | tormen: Of course, it really depends on if they can compile against the kernel in the first place. That's not guaranteed, especially the binary nvida/amd blobs easily break with newer kernels. |
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| 13:05.55 | pynonoir | petn-randall: only a windows 8 user can see it (other users have linux). In my home I also installed a new wheezy and it is seen by my TV box as an upnp share |
| 13:06.14 | tormen | petn-randall: but for DKMS you need the kbuild package, no? |
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| 13:06.38 | petn-randall | pynonoir: Maybe a configured samba share? |
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| 13:07.06 | petn-randall | tormen: I think just having the source dir there is enough, though I haven't had external module in years, so I can't say for sure. |
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| 13:08.44 | pynonoir | petn-randall: i have samba-common and samba-common-bin installed, but I don't think that any samba server is running |
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| 13:09.54 | petn-randall | pynonoir: Without knowing over what protocol the other machine 'sees' your music it's hard to predict what's causing it. But by default Debian doesn't install anything that shares directories, so it must've been installed by hand. |
| 13:10.08 | pynonoir | also nmap sees ports 22, 25, 111, 631 open. this looks ok |
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| 13:11.27 | dskfl | i have an issue with openvpn and dnsmasq, and is that dnsmasq in started before the tun interface is available so it fails to start. I need to manually restart dnsmasq after the boot is complete. Here's my paste http://pastebin.com/pKJ3Un2h |
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| 13:11.29 | tormen | Hi all. How can I list the available source package versions (deb-src) of a package ? - apt-cache show / apt-cache policy seem to be limited to binary packages ... is there something similar for source pacakges ? |
| 13:12.30 | dskfl | from the paste you can notice that openvpn (S18) should start before dnsmasq (S19) |
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| 13:12.32 | pynonoir | petn-randall: i know, that's why i'm asking here. I don't know enough windows 8 to tell how my music is 'seen' and I have even less control over my TV box (from a french dsl provider) |
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| 13:13.28 | pynonoir | i'm going to the win 8 machine and try to get more information... |
| 13:13.36 | dskfl | also, there's no trace of openvpn starting at all in the boot log, though it is started when i log in |
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| 13:13.54 | petn-randall | dskfl: How is your dnsmasq configure that it needs tun0 to start? It shouldn't be set up like that, since the tun0 interface can disappear on openvpn reconnects. |
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| 13:14.13 | petn-randall | dskfl: Check /etc/default/openvpn if it's set to start. |
| 13:14.21 | nkuttler | tormen: there's one source per package version |
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| 13:15.06 | dskfl | petn-randall, dnsmasq.conf has two entrie listen-address=127.0.0.1,10.8.0.1 and bind-interfaces and it works |
| 13:15.08 | tormen | nkuttler: hmm. but of the package "linux" there exist in different repositories different versions |
| 13:15.23 | tormen | nkuttler: So I guess I should have precised: Across different repos. |
| 13:15.46 | nkuttler | tormen: i'm not sure what you mean. there is no "linux" package |
| 13:16.05 | petn-randall | pynonoir: Verify that it actually *is* your music from the wheezy machine you've got. My first idea would be something UPnP related. |
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| 13:16.18 | petn-randall | s/you've got/you're seeing/ |
| 13:16.27 | dskfl | petn-randall, in /etc/default/openvpn there are only to options enabled, OPTARGS="" and OMIT_SENDSIGS=0, the rest is commented out (default install) |
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| 13:16.32 | nkuttler | tormen: there are various kernel images, and each different version of them has different sources, at least for the debian build scripts etc |
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| 13:17.13 | dskfl | petn-randall, should i uncomment AUTOSTART="all" ? |
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| 13:18.02 | petn-randall | dskfl: oh wait, it actually does start. Then you're maybe just looking at the wrong log. |
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| 13:18.28 | dskfl | petn-randall, there's also an openvpn script in /etc/init.d/network/if-up.d |
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| 13:18.46 | tormen | nkuttler: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy-backports/linux has one version in each repo (wheezy, wheezy-packports, ...) I am looking for a way to list me these versions (like apt-cache policy would do for binary packages) |
| 13:18.46 | dskfl | petn-randall, i guess that is what brings openvpn up |
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| 13:19.23 | petn-randall | dskfl: And 10.8.0.1 is the IP address from the openvpn? When the interface drops and openvpn reconnect, the way it's configured it won't rebind. You need a hook in openvpn to restart dnsmasq for that. |
| 13:20.08 | dskfl | petn-randall, yes 10.8.0.1 is the openvpn tun0 endpoint |
| 13:21.17 | hikenboot | forget it I am backing out of this configuration with chroot will try again when I have some better info from the phpmyadmin people |
| 13:21.25 | dskfl | petn-randall, this is the contents of the file /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn http://pastebin.com/K79Er58B |
| 13:21.53 | nkuttler | tormen: i see, no idea then |
| 13:22.06 | dskfl | petn-randall, also i made an error in the path i showed earlier /etc/init.d/network/if-up.d was supposed to be /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 13:22.47 | dskfl | petn-randall, how can i tell openvpn to restart dnsmasq |
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| 13:24.25 | tormen | Hi all. How can I list the available source package version (deb-src) of a package for all (with sources.list) setup repositories ? - For binary packages "apt-get policy" would do the trick. |
| 13:24.31 | tormen | nkuttler: thanks ! |
| 13:24.39 | tormen | petn-randall: also thanks !! |
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| 13:24.57 | tormen | or do I have to grep ? |
| 13:24.59 | dskfl | petn-randall, there's a fellow that puts /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart in /etc/rc.local but that would restart dnsmasq for me at boot time, but like you say if the tun0 drops dnsmasq won't work again |
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| 13:25.16 | jordanm | tormen, apt-cache showsrc <package> |
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| 13:25.56 | tormen | jordanm: yeah its what I thought, but I was overwhelmed by the 5709 lines of output for the package "linux" |
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| 13:26.09 | tormen | jordanm: nothing more "compact" ? |
| 13:27.12 | jordanm | tormen, apt-cache showsrc linux | awk '/Version: / { print $NF }' |
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| 13:28.17 | tormen | jordanm: yeah ok .. thanks after looking again at the ouput ... makes sense :) |
| 13:28.21 | tormen | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 13:29.55 | tormen | jordanm: apt-cache showsrc linux | sed -n 's/^Version: //p' |
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| 13:30.12 | tormen | jordanm: (shorter list) |
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| 13:30.33 | rdz | hey all. i'm a postfix noob and our smtp/mail relay runs on a squeeze machine that needs upgrading to wheezy. is there anything i need to specially care about regarding postfix? |
| 13:30.45 | jordanm | tormen, apt-cache showsrc linux | awk '$1 == "Version:" { print $NF } |
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| 13:32.12 | Kromitvs | Thanks petn-randall and Walex! |
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| 13:37.24 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, question, I want to use apticron, does it work? Do I have to have any email server or so? |
| 13:37.29 | Ephexeve | I just want to email me when there is any update |
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| 13:39.44 | tgs3 | in X as user1 how to start graphical program of user2, without being asked for user2 password (with help of visudo or alike)? |
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| 13:40.00 | tgs3 | it was done with sudo sux user2, but since debian7 broke sux it does not work |
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| 13:44.27 | Dyspareunia | Morning |
| 13:44.31 | tormen | jordanm: or: apt-cache showsrc linux | awk '/^Version: / { print $NF }' ;) |
| 13:45.16 | tormen | jordanm: awk vs. sed do you know which one is faster ? |
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| 13:46.19 | Dyspareunia | I'm having rtorrent issues, I can get one instance to run, but the other three users I setup are not working. It seems like the init.d script is not launching everything it should? But it's a copy of the one i'm using that is working? |
| 13:46.37 | tormen | jordanm: I did a simple "time" and I think sed. But it's also less powerful ;) |
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| 13:52.24 | daveee123 | in settings i see keyboard shortcuts that can be customized. but you have to know the name of the command. can anyone point me to a list of commands or at least the general syntax so i can start guessing? this in in gnome3 btw |
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| 13:55.19 | dskfl | petn-randall, thanks for the tip, done it using openvpn hooks |
| 13:55.22 | Dongyancai | Hello, I met some problem, I am trying to use iptables to make remote-desktop in a kvm visible from outside. but I found the packet not sent to intranet. I followed http://serverfault.com/questions/140622/how-can-i-port-forward-with-iptables 's "best answer", but still so. Can anyone give some checking list? |
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| 13:55.29 | ^7heo | can I talk? |
| 13:55.45 | ^7heo | or is this channel restricted to some usermodes? |
| 13:55.51 | ^7heo | apparently, I can, great. |
| 13:56.21 | ^7heo | So, I wanted to know: is there a newer version for Xen scripts; that would manage IPv6 addresses with the vif-route script? |
| 13:56.26 | ^7heo | (with XL) |
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| 13:56.34 | ^7heo | (in the debian repositories, ofc) |
| 13:57.09 | ^7heo | if not, who shall I contact in order to contribute to the Xen package? :) |
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| 14:03.13 | jordanm | tormen, I never use sed because I find awk more flexible and easier to read/maintain |
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| 14:03.42 | jordanm | tormen, it's regex engine is slightly slower than sed and grep's |
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| 14:04.10 | tormen | jordanm: I understand :)) .. "slower engine": ok, thanks. |
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| 14:04.25 | cusco | hi folks |
| 14:04.32 | tormen | cusco: hi cusco |
| 14:04.38 | cusco | :) |
| 14:04.41 | cusco | dmesg keeps on whoing: |
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| 14:04.49 | cusco | sky2 eth0: receiver hang detected // AND // sky2 eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex, flow control |
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| 14:05.04 | cusco | chipset is marvell 88E8053 |
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| 14:05.52 | tormen | cusco: at least your not seeing kernel tracebacks like me all the time ;) |
| 14:05.57 | cusco | lol |
| 14:06.46 | tormen | cusco: seems like the link detection is sh$! for sky2 :/ |
| 14:06.59 | tormen | cusco: or your hardware has a problem ? |
| 14:07.21 | cusco | not sure |
| 14:07.21 | Jaggz-I | How do I get a driver for a wifi adaptor from a .deb onto a USB stick for a cd install ? |
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| 14:07.40 | pclov3r | So, I'm going to install Debian 7 on a parition of one of my SSD's |
| 14:07.46 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 14:07.46 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 14:07.47 | tormen | cusco: but the cable is plugged solidly, right? and do you have an LED that indicates the link status ? |
| 14:07.52 | Jaggz-I | Rt2870.bin |
| 14:07.56 | pclov3r | mdadm supprots intel matrix raid? |
| 14:07.56 | ChrisH | cusco: If possible start by replacing the LAN cable and have the switch port checked. |
| 14:08.06 | pclov3r | Not for booting |
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| 14:09.29 | tormen | cusco: yeah definitely check the cable first. But if your LED link status would be /on/ all the time I would more say, test with another OS (and driver) like ... windows and see if the link status is solid over time there |
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| 14:09.54 | pclov3r | Random qustion but has it been known to corrupt metadata on intel's fake raid? |
| 14:09.56 | usrnix | The 'Software Sources' program from the update-notifier under the Updates tab refers to Ubuntu; "Notify me of a new Ubuntu Version: " |
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| 14:10.55 | ChrisH | usrnix: IIRC there is a bug report open on that. check bug data base |
| 14:11.09 | usrnix | ChrisH, ok |
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| 14:11.46 | pclov3r | if anybody wants to pitch in there |
| 14:11.57 | ChrisH | pclov3r: Why do you want to use a fakeraid? From my understanding it does not provide any advantage at all. |
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| 14:12.13 | pclov3r | Windows runs on fakeraid |
| 14:12.16 | pclov3r | I'm doing a dualboot |
| 14:12.22 | pclov3r | on a differnt drive tho |
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| 14:12.32 | pclov3r | But i'd still like to access windows files |
| 14:13.58 | ^7heo | pclov3r: by fakeraid you mean firmware raid (BIOS-based) or software raid? |
| 14:13.59 | ChrisH | pclov3r: that makes some sense :) But I cannot help you. |
| 14:14.00 | tormen | cusco: or try to turn on debug output of your network card |
| 14:14.09 | pclov3r | bios based |
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| 14:14.23 | ^7heo | pclov3r: and what is the problem? |
| 14:14.23 | pclov3r | i have a raid0 array for windows |
| 14:14.31 | pclov3r | Will it work without issues with mdadm? |
| 14:14.51 | pclov3r | And nto do someting like corrupt the metadta of the array |
| 14:14.53 | pclov3r | metadata |
| 14:14.58 | ^7heo | raid0 is not technically raid, but okay :) |
| 14:15.06 | jordanm | mdadm is software RAID |
| 14:15.16 | ^7heo | yeah, mdadm has nothing to do with this |
| 14:15.17 | jordanm | windows can't read mdadm arrays |
| 14:15.21 | ^7heo | also |
| 14:15.27 | pclov3r | How would i mount it within debian than? |
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| 14:15.48 | ^7heo | pclov3r: normally, you "just" have to mount it as it appears |
| 14:16.04 | pclov3r | afik it will show up as two drives within linux? |
| 14:16.14 | pclov3r | or will there be a maper |
| 14:16.14 | ^7heo | pclov3r: mount shouldn't be aware that it's a fakeraid device |
| 14:16.33 | ^7heo | normally, the kernel takes care of that, and it should appear as a normal device |
| 14:16.37 | pclov3r | okay |
| 14:16.39 | ^7heo | (like, sda, or...) |
| 14:17.01 | ^7heo | I mean, the fakeraid firmware usually requires a driver |
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| 14:17.12 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell pclov3r about fakeraid |
| 14:17.19 | ^7heo | but afaik, it's common to find such drivers in Linux |
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| 14:17.58 | ^7heo | From the OS POV, fakeraid is not that much different from real HW raid. |
| 14:18.03 | pclov3r | sorry getting mdadm mixed into this |
| 14:18.20 | pclov3r | I'm tired |
| 14:18.20 | ^7heo | that happens, everyone learns by doing mistakes. |
| 14:18.24 | pclov3r | I reslize that was stupid lol |
| 14:18.31 | pclov3r | I do use mdadm on my centos server |
| 14:18.44 | merovingien | Hello, any body can help me? I have a segmentation fault when i launch ruby1.9.1 after setting capabilities cap_net_bind_service,cap_net_admin,cap_net_raw+eip. I put strace log on http://paste.debian.net/plain/14977 |
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| 14:19.12 | pclov3r | i |
| 14:19.19 | pclov3r | I don't think i'll need LVM |
| 14:19.21 | ^7heo | merovingien: of course; that's as simple as: don't user ruby ;) |
| 14:19.30 | ^7heo | pclov3r: lvm is another thing also |
| 14:19.38 | pclov3r | Yeah, it is |
| 14:19.47 | pclov3r | I don't think i'll need it on a desktop instlal. |
| 14:19.49 | ^7heo | okay, I just wanted to make it clear :P |
| 14:19.49 | pclov3r | install |
| 14:19.56 | merovingien | ^7heo: that not a solution |
| 14:19.57 | pclov3r | I know what it is |
| 14:20.10 | pclov3r | I'm installing it on a SSD |
| 14:20.12 | pclov3r | so it better be fast lol |
| 14:20.19 | ^7heo | pclov3r: nah, I find it useful only for virtual machine disks. |
| 14:20.23 | pclov3r | any suggestions besides moutning the fs with discard? |
| 14:20.40 | ^7heo | checking for the TRIM support |
| 14:20.46 | pclov3r | it has TRIM support |
| 14:20.49 | ^7heo | checking the boundaries of your partitions |
| 14:20.59 | ^7heo | (but if you use recent software, that shouldn't be a problem) |
| 14:21.03 | pclov3r | I just used the windows tool to shrink the disk. |
| 14:21.09 | pclov3r | well ssd |
| 14:21.17 | pclov3r | So it wont flip out lol |
| 14:21.20 | ^7heo | the partition on the SSD you mean? :P |
| 14:21.23 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 14:21.28 | ChrisH | merovingien: your stuff openes open("/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive", O_RDONLY) = 3 and there is no /usr/local for debian packages |
| 14:21.29 | pclov3r | I have a 120 GB SD |
| 14:21.33 | pclov3r | and than 2 256GB SSD's |
| 14:21.37 | pclov3r | and a 1 TB spinning |
| 14:21.50 | pclov3r | it's going on the 120 GB SSD parition |
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| 14:21.53 | ^7heo | prefers to use SAS disks whenever possible |
| 14:22.04 | pclov3r | SAS is not really for desktops |
| 14:22.09 | pclov3r | The controllers are not cheap. |
| 14:22.13 | ^7heo | (but agreed, recent SSDs are faster) |
| 14:22.15 | koollman | I prefer ssd whenever possible :) |
| 14:22.17 | Scott0_ | pclov3r: sounds like a holiday song |
| 14:22.46 | ^7heo | koollman: on Windows/Linux/MacOS I can understand... |
| 14:22.50 | pclov3r | my centos server has 4 drives so LVM is useful. |
| 14:22.51 | Scott0_ | pclov3r: do you have a partridge in a pear tree? |
| 14:22.53 | ^7heo | koollman: but for the rest... |
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| 14:23.04 | ChrisH | LVM is _allways_ usefull! |
| 14:23.11 | pclov3r | Not allways |
| 14:23.16 | ^7heo | it's "always" |
| 14:23.32 | ChrisH | pclov3r: tell me one situation where is does not make sense. |
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| 14:23.33 | koollman | ^7heo: isn't that a small rest ? |
| 14:23.42 | pclov3r | Desktops with a single drive? |
| 14:23.45 | ^7heo | yes, because people keep it small. |
| 14:23.54 | ^7heo | For me it's important. |
| 14:23.59 | nkuttler | pclov3r: until you put in a second? |
| 14:24.01 | pclov3r | Servers I see it being a major benefit |
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| 14:24.09 | pclov3r | Yeah |
| 14:24.10 | koollman | ^7heo: or do you have really a lot of non-(windows/linux/macos) servers ? and why would it not be the good hardware to use for the rest ? |
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| 14:24.15 | ^7heo | As the software quality of the rest surpasses the software quality in the system I mentionned. |
| 14:24.22 | pclov3r | I like LVM |
| 14:24.29 | pclov3r | I put LVM ontop of mdadm |
| 14:24.32 | pclov3r | on my linux server |
| 14:24.36 | ^7heo | koollman: yeah, I run NetBSD on servers. |
| 14:24.42 | ^7heo | koollman: it's faster and more secure. |
| 14:24.47 | ChrisH | pclov3r: Even on Desktops wth 1 drive I even use Disk -> mdtools (Mirror wirh 1 disk) -> LVM as this makes me extrem flexible for anything. |
| 14:24.48 | ^7heo | koollman: and WAY less bloated. |
| 14:24.51 | koollman | ^7heo: and you would rather have ssd than sas on those ? |
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| 14:25.02 | pclov3r | i think lvm can do mirring |
| 14:25.04 | pclov3r | mirroring |
| 14:25.08 | koollman | ^7heo: err, the opposite question :) |
| 14:25.10 | ^7heo | koollman: the SSD TRIM support is not yet included in the ffs driver for NetBSD. |
| 14:25.11 | merovingien | ChrisH: Hmmm, the problem is when i launch it with root user, it works, it only seg fault when launching it with a none root user... |
| 14:25.21 | ^7heo | koollman: (I already reversed the question, don't worry) |
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| 14:25.36 | pclov3r | Windows chews up 4-6 GB ram for me ol |
| 14:25.36 | pclov3r | lol |
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| 14:26.13 | pclov3r | Hopefully, The nvidia drivers work correctly. |
| 14:26.18 | koollman | ^7heo: ok. then it's understandable, yes. (not yet... I thought I had seen work on this a long while ago) |
| 14:26.18 | ^7heo | merovingien: 'cause it has rights problem when it tries to access for writing the path that ChrisH mentionned? |
| 14:26.26 | ChrisH | merovingien: then use ulimit -c unlimited and check the core using gdb |
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| 14:26.36 | ^7heo | koollman: maybe on FreeBSD? |
| 14:26.51 | ^7heo | koollman: the ffs systems in both FreeBSD and NetBSD are differents, so... |
| 14:27.17 | pclov3r | Is a /boot parition sitll needed? |
| 14:27.20 | pclov3r | I'm reading it isn't |
| 14:27.38 | ^7heo | it's needed only if you have multiple users anyway |
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| 14:27.58 | ^7heo | and if you are not careful enough with your quotas |
| 14:28.03 | merovingien | ChrisH: what you'r saying is advanced for me, i don't really undrestand what should i do |
| 14:28.28 | pclov3r | Lets see how my USB DAC works :) |
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| 14:28.30 | pclov3r | when i get it installed |
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| 14:28.45 | ^7heo | pclov3r: the purpose of having a separate boot partition is to ensure that there will always be free space in the /boot directory. |
| 14:28.57 | pclov3r | so it's screwup proof |
| 14:29.01 | pclov3r | due to running out of space? |
| 14:29.24 | ^7heo | pclov3r: now, normally, you have 5% reserved for root, so as long as your users don't access to root (or suid programs that can fill up a disk) you're safe, in theory |
| 14:29.42 | Gremble | Afternoon, I run #!, a OS built on debian, but I seem to have broken my windowmanager trying to install Nvidia drivers. I am fairly new to linux so not exactly sure what could've gone wrong where. |
| 14:29.44 | ^7heo | (By that I mean that only "root" will have the rights to write on these 5% if the rest is full) |
| 14:30.23 | ^7heo | pclov3r: and yes it's mostly a screwupproof practice. |
| 14:30.29 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Gremble about based on debian |
| 14:30.40 | jhutchins | !hashbang |
| 14:30.41 | dpkg | from memory, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 14:31.06 | Gremble | I'm looking for generic information |
| 14:31.10 | pclov3r | Going to install now. Be back in probly half an hour |
| 14:31.18 | ^7heo | pclov3r: laters |
| 14:31.21 | Gremble | You don't have to hold my hand.. I just need advice about windowmanagers |
| 14:31.28 | jhutchins | Gremble: Sorry, it's not Debian. We don't know what they've changed or how. |
| 14:31.30 | ^7heo | my advice: dwm |
| 14:31.35 | tensorpudding | Gremble: Pretty sure Crunchbang has its own IRC. |
| 14:31.43 | koollman | separate /boot was also needed with lilo when you had a rather big disk. a rather long time ago |
| 14:31.43 | jhutchins | !crunchbang |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 14:31.47 | jhutchins | There we go. |
| 14:31.48 | Gremble | The IRC is dead there, that is why I came here |
| 14:32.10 | jhutchins | Gremble: That's like saying "I couldn't get parts for my Ford, so I bought parts for a Chevy". |
| 14:32.24 | tensorpudding | As was pointed out, it's not supported here. You can probably resort to ##linux, since they offer distro-agnostic support. |
| 14:32.28 | ^7heo | Gremble: what do you mean by "broken" ? You don't have a graphical display anymore? |
| 14:32.44 | Gremble | Yes, I am on tty now only :/ |
| 14:32.50 | jhutchins | ^7heo: Please don't attempt to support other distributions here. |
| 14:32.59 | Gremble | Fine fine... I will leave |
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| 14:33.04 | madcat1990 | Am I crazy for prefering to use a TTY instead of X? |
| 14:33.07 | ^7heo | jhutchins: a'right |
| 14:33.08 | jhutchins | Gremble: There are mailing lists for crunchbang. |
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| 14:34.50 | ^7heo | madcat1990: no, but you're showing off for saying so. |
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| 14:35.26 | madcat1990 | What? I find TTY more fun that X |
| 14:35.33 | madcat1990 | then again, I grew up with MSDOS... |
| 14:36.06 | ^7heo | then again, that's showing off. |
| 14:36.17 | ^7heo | I'm older than you, you cannot understand. |
| 14:36.20 | ^7heo | â„¢ |
| 14:36.39 | tensorpudding | There are people here too young to remember MS-DOS? How shocking. |
| 14:36.53 | madcat1990 | Now who's the one showing off? :P |
| 14:36.57 | ^7heo | but anyway, yes, the CLI interfaces are usually a bit more convenient. |
| 14:37.04 | ^7heo | madcat1990: tensorpudding. |
| 14:37.40 | ^7heo | madcat1990: just in case you took that litterally, "< ^7heo> I'm older than you, you cannot understand." was a sarcastic comment aimed at making fun of you. |
| 14:37.46 | ^7heo | hence the "â„¢" |
| 14:38.01 | madcat1990 | Kinda hard to measure sarcasm over text =/ |
| 14:38.08 | ^7heo | hence the "â„¢" |
| 14:38.29 | tensorpudding | Everyone was a newb once. |
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| 14:39.24 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: yes, that's the point. |
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| 14:39.37 | madcat1990 | Agreed... I've only recently really started to get into this whole IRC thing |
| 14:39.56 | ^7heo | okay, that's why you didn't understand the sarcasm at first glance. |
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| 14:40.24 | ^7heo | madcat1990: I'm sorry if you're new on IRC; but usually, people tend to showoff a LOT on IRC; so I maybe overreacted. |
| 14:40.38 | madcat1990 | I didn't mean to :X I just like TTY |
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| 14:40.55 | tensorpudding | I still feel like I got into Linux "late" because I missed the "wild west" years |
| 14:41.01 | ^7heo | madcat1990: yeah, well, I guess that what you really like is CLIs and not teletypewriters :P |
| 14:41.03 | madcat1990 | "Wild West"? |
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| 14:42.06 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: wild west? you mean when people used to send "disconnection codes" over IRC in order to disconnect those poor folks that had their modem listening for raw traffic? |
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| 14:42.21 | tensorpudding | For me the "wild west" of Linux was the days of 2.4 kernels |
| 14:42.26 | ^7heo | oh, that. |
| 14:42.26 | tensorpudding | and before |
| 14:42.39 | ^7heo | 2.4 did stay quite a long time... |
| 14:42.56 | tensorpudding | I got into Linux roughly the same time Ubuntu was created and 2.6 was stable. |
| 14:43.10 | jelly | 1.2.13 stayed quite a long time as well |
| 14:43.18 | ^7heo | Dammit, ubuntu, at first it was a good idea. |
| 14:43.30 | ^7heo | keep debian up to date... |
| 14:43.33 | tensorpudding | The "wild west" for me means the time of people regularly compiling kernels by hand |
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| 14:43.51 | madcat1990 | My first experience with linux was Mandrake, back in the day |
| 14:43.56 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: nah, almost nobody was compiling the kernel at that time |
| 14:43.58 | madcat1990 | I still remember using 6 CDs |
| 14:44.04 | jelly | tensorpudding: one silly old coworker of mine still insists on that |
| 14:44.06 | madcat1990 | or was it 4? I don't remember... |
| 14:44.26 | tensorpudding | ^7heo: during which days, the 2.4 days? |
| 14:44.26 | madcat1990 | Then Mandriva came along, then everyone started talking about this ubuntu thing. |
| 14:44.37 | ^7heo | well, while it makes sense to compile your linux kernel, it's probably better to start using NetBSD if you do that. |
| 14:44.41 | madcat1990 | Then after Ubuntu, I tried Gentoo, boy that was a big mistake |
| 14:44.43 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: yes |
| 14:44.43 | tensorpudding | My idea of what linux was like in those days is based on the book I used to learn Linux. |
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| 14:44.56 | ^7heo | madcat1990: gentoo is such a fun toy... |
| 14:45.08 | pynonoir | petn-randall: i found the upnp application: it's rygel (GNOME UPnP/DLNA services) |
| 14:45.12 | madcat1990 | I prefer Debian |
| 14:45.20 | madcat1990 | install is WAY simpler |
| 14:45.21 | ^7heo | well, it's not really comparable. |
| 14:45.23 | tensorpudding | Debian was my first distro. |
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| 14:45.29 | madcat1990 | sure, everything isn't compiled specifically for my machine |
| 14:45.34 | ^7heo | I'm a bit shameful to say that but... |
| 14:45.37 | madcat1990 | but god, it's so EASY to use |
| 14:45.39 | ^7heo | RedHat was my first distro |
| 14:45.41 | tensorpudding | I installed woody but it didn't work, so I installed sarge. |
| 14:45.54 | ^7heo | and then ZenWalk (a slackware based distro) |
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| 14:46.24 | madcat1990 | MY first of ALL, really, was a knoppix build for my dad's old PowerPC mac |
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| 14:46.36 | madcat1990 | Took forever to load, but I loved it :D |
| 14:46.47 | ^7heo | red hat 4 or 5, it was really looking nice for the time. |
| 14:46.49 | tensorpudding | I have a 1997 machine that I rescued that has potato on it though. |
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| 14:47.14 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: a GLADoS potato, or a normal one? :P |
| 14:47.28 | tensorpudding | What? Talking about debian potato |
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| 14:48.34 | tensorpudding | That would be...lessee...wheezy, squeeze, lenny, etch, sarge, woody, potato...oldstable x 6 now? |
| 14:48.52 | ^7heo | tensorpudding: ah, I didn't know of the temr. |
| 14:48.54 | ^7heo | term even. |
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| 14:48.59 | pclov3r | Well, I failed to install it somehow lol |
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| 14:49.23 | pclov3r | I boot on the 120gb ssd and it boots windows |
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| 14:49.33 | ^7heo | pclov3r: try ubuntu ;) |
| 14:49.38 | pclov3r | No |
| 14:49.45 | ^7heo | pclov3r: it might be bootloader related. |
| 14:49.51 | ^7heo | have you installed grub? |
| 14:49.51 | pclov3r | what i'm thinking |
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| 14:50.00 | pclov3r | The installer said it installed grub |
| 14:50.09 | ^7heo | Gosh, I really have work to do... |
| 14:50.12 | ^7heo | sorry, laters. |
| 14:50.20 | pclov3r | Let me try supergrubcd |
| 14:50.24 | pclov3r | and see what happens :) |
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| 14:50.46 | ^7heo | pclov3r: since you have multiple disks, you might have installed grub on a wrong disk/partition. |
| 14:51.01 | pclov3r | possible |
| 14:51.04 | pclov3r | let me recheck |
| 14:51.04 | ^7heo | you might want to try each one of the disks you have, using your BIOS selection screen |
| 14:51.12 | pclov3r | brb |
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| 14:54.36 | Norbertos | Hi there ! |
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| 14:55.08 | Norbertos | How to make this change permanent ?: PATH=$PATH:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin |
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| 14:55.46 | ^7heo | Norbertos: put it in .profile |
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| 14:56.02 | Norbertos | ^7heo thanks :) |
| 14:56.32 | petn-randall | dskfl: You're welcome, glad I could help :) |
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| 14:57.59 | babilen | Norbertos: Please note that ~/.profile will not be read if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login are present -- You should use those files if you use BASH -- That being said: The default ~/.bash_profile simply sources ~/.bashrc and I'd recommend to set your path in the latter. |
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| 14:58.05 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:58.12 | ^7heo | yeah well |
| 14:58.24 | ^7heo | at least profile is read by other shells |
| 14:58.41 | babilen | Not necessarily (see above for BASH) |
| 14:58.57 | ^7heo | I know, I mentionned "other shells" |
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| 15:00.27 | ^7heo | babilen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_shell#Configuration_files_for_shells |
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| 15:01.27 | ^7heo | babilen: profile is the file that has most chances to be read. |
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| 15:02.10 | ^7heo | and anyway, I would recommend to use ksh, not bash. |
| 15:02.23 | babilen | ^7heo: BASH is most likely the default shell (hence my comment) - but there is no point in discussing this as Norbertos left already and will either find out that it works or that it doesn't. |
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| 15:04.04 | nyuszika7h | is it possible to make gedit not open an untitled tab when using "gksudo gedit"? |
| 15:04.09 | nyuszika7h | "gksudo gedit <file>", even |
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| 15:05.05 | ^7heo | babilen: yeah, and I checked, he left the server too. |
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| 15:05.36 | ^7heo | nyuszika7h: you mean, by double clicking on a file? |
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| 15:05.54 | nyuszika7h | ^7heo: no, I mean "gksudo gedit <file>" in a terminal |
| 15:05.59 | ^7heo | (I think I remember that gedit uses "gedit %U" to open a file, but I'm not sure) |
| 15:06.25 | ^7heo | nyuszika7h: I'm sorry I don't know, I use vi. |
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| 15:06.46 | nyuszika7h | I use vim, but I've been too lazy to copy my config to my VM |
| 15:07.11 | ^7heo | put your configs in a git repo, and then sync them from the same master ;) |
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| 15:08.37 | guiniol | hello all. I'm trying to create a bridge interface and give it an ip address. I put this (http://paste.debian.net/15005/) in /etc/network/interfaces. The bridge comes up but doesn't have an address? Is this expected? Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 15:11.46 | pithagorians | hey folks, please advice a network analyze monitoring tool that can handle a big amount of incoming connections on several UDP ports |
| 15:11.55 | jdoles | How do I get /usr/lib/libglut.so.3? |
| 15:11.55 | jhutchins | guiniol: I think you want "static" instead of "manual". |
| 15:11.59 | pithagorians | of course i need them defined into that tool |
| 15:12.09 | pithagorians | and parse the results by those ports |
| 15:12.17 | nkuttler | !tell jdoles about apt-file |
| 15:12.19 | babilen | udp ports? |
| 15:12.24 | jdoles | apt-file search /usr/lib/libglut.so.3 return freeglut3, but I already have that installed, so it makes no sense at all. |
| 15:12.29 | guiniol | jhutchins: looks like it, thanks |
| 15:12.30 | jdoles | !tell nkuttler about that I already know. |
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| 15:13.04 | nkuttler | jdoles: good luck getting help with that attitude |
| 15:13.44 | datguise | agreed! |
| 15:14.04 | babilen | jdoles: If you have that package installed you have that file. If not provide extensive information on http://paste.debian.net (output of ls -l, dpkg -l PKG, sources.list, ...) |
| 15:14.09 | marcusk | jdoles: So you're saying that you have the package installed, but the file is not there? |
| 15:14.12 | babilen | jdoles: And please do not abuse the bot. |
| 15:14.17 | jdoles | marcusk: bingo |
| 15:14.28 | babilen | pithagorians: I'd recommend ##networking |
| 15:14.40 | marcusk | jdoles: Which Debian release are you on? Squeeze/Wheezy? |
| 15:14.59 | babilen | judd: file /usr/lib/libglut.so.3 |
| 15:15.03 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 15:15.07 | babilen | fwiw ^^ |
| 15:15.24 | jhutchins | pithagorians: Not sure exactly what you're after, but it may be wireshark. |
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| 15:15.54 | jdoles | marcusk: never mind, it's off-topic here, I suppose. |
| 15:15.59 | babilen | Well, this doesn't come as a huge surprise as wheezy uses multiarch and the library therefore moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglut.so.3 |
| 15:16.16 | babilen | jdoles: Why should your question be off-topic? |
| 15:16.23 | marcusk | jdoles: It's not offtopic if it's related to Debian, and it sounds like it is. |
| 15:16.29 | babilen | jdoles: And can you please provide the information I asked for on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:17.22 | jdoles | marcusk: it's related to Precise; I just checked that on Wheezy it does work consistently. |
| 15:17.42 | jdoles | marcusk: hence, off-topic, although all of the tools start with apt. |
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| 15:18.12 | jdoles | It's just that the tools haven't been compiled by the santioned Debian build servers. |
| 15:18.25 | guiniol | jhutchins: I confirmed that it woks |
| 15:18.26 | jdoles | (which is the part that makes it off-topic) |
| 15:18.26 | babilen | jdoles: Take it to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server -- Please refrain from asking support questions in here if you don't use Debian as we only support (pure) Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons. |
| 15:18.30 | guiniol | *works |
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| 15:19.49 | pclov3r | So, I marked the /boot parition as bootable and I get OS not found |
| 15:19.54 | pclov3r | When i boot form the drive |
| 15:20.01 | pclov3r | ideas? |
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| 15:20.58 | babilen | jdoles: This policy has also already been pointed out to you on 07/03/2013 -- Please respect our policy in the future. |
| 15:21.19 | jdoles | babilen: seriously? You checked that? |
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| 15:22.15 | jdoles | babilen: I have two terminals open right now; one of which is Debian Wheezy. |
| 15:22.15 | mumpitzel | not only the NSA has logs, so does babilen :) |
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| 15:22.45 | jdoles | babilen: you can better spend your time in writing a converter from Ubuntu to Debian; I might even use it. |
| 15:23.00 | ksk | jdoles: wtf? rsync? |
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| 15:23.05 | mumpitzel | jdoles: you're really rich. the chutzpah you have is incredible |
| 15:23.14 | babilen | jdoles: Please drop it and I have no idea what such a tool would do anyway. |
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| 15:24.04 | pclov3r | How should I fix that |
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| 15:24.11 | pclov3r | It appears it's not installing grub on the drive |
| 15:25.09 | babilen | pclov3r: The bootable flag has no meaning whatsoever for Linux |
| 15:25.19 | mumpitzel | pclov3r: run grub-install manually? |
| 15:25.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell pclov3r about fixmbr |
| 15:25.46 | pclov3r | i did grubinstall manaully |
| 15:25.51 | babilen | pclov3r: The /dev/whatever should be something like /dev/sda (and *not* /dev/sda1 or similar) |
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| 15:26.02 | mumpitzel | pclov3r: what was the command line and what was the full output? |
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| 15:26.23 | mirak | hello |
| 15:26.26 | mirak | i want to chainload a grub2 with another grub2 and they are all on gpt. How can I do that ? |
| 15:26.27 | pclov3r | i just did a grub-install /dev/sdc as that's the disk i need it on |
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| 15:26.56 | mumpitzel | are you sure your system wants to boot from the 3rd harddisk? |
| 15:27.28 | pclov3r | When I manaully bot the drive |
| 15:27.33 | pclov3r | it just say OS not found |
| 15:27.36 | pclov3r | boot |
| 15:27.55 | mumpitzel | again: what was the output? |
| 15:28.15 | pclov3r | grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 15:28.21 | pclov3r | let me do it again |
| 15:28.56 | pclov3r | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 15:29.05 | mumpitzel | how are you booting right now if grub doesn't work? if it's a livecd you want to follow /msg dpkg reinstall grub |
| 15:29.17 | pclov3r | supergrubdisk |
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| 15:32.19 | pclov3r | so not sure why hum |
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| 15:37.00 | mumpitzel | pclov3r: just (for testing only) install grub to /dev/sda. you can change it back later, make a backup of it dd if=/dev/sda count=1 bs=512 of=backup.mbr |
| 15:38.04 | pclov3r | It's a fake raid0 array |
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| 15:38.58 | mumpitzel | and? as long as /boot is not on there it's all fine |
| 15:39.04 | confusid | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Is this all I need to keep my system updated to the newer files in wheezy/Stable? |
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| 15:39.50 | babilen | confusid: You might need a "dist-upgrade" every now and then (if packages have to be removed), but that shouldn't happen often. (It doesn't hurt to run that in lieu of "upgrade" though) |
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| 15:40.00 | pclov3r | Can I write that to do a MD device? |
| 15:40.05 | pclov3r | or no |
| 15:40.07 | confusid | babilen ty! |
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| 15:40.42 | pclov3r | I don't believe i'll be able to boot /dev/sda unless I break the array in the bios. |
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| 15:42.17 | petn-randall | pclov3r: RAID0 with a BIOS raid? Urgh D: |
| 15:42.56 | pclov3r | So why isn't grub installing |
| 15:43.00 | pclov3r | When it says it is? |
| 15:43.07 | petn-randall | pclov3r: You just combined the performance of a software RAID with the vendor lock-in of a hardware one. :) |
| 15:43.15 | mumpitzel | it is installing but not in the place your BIOS looks |
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| 15:43.32 | mumpitzel | which is why I suggested to remove a variable and make it all easier: sda |
| 15:44.11 | pclov3r | any other suggestions? |
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| 15:44.42 | pclov3r | I got an idea. Install it on another computer? lol |
| 15:45.15 | pclov3r | i'll brb |
| 15:45.18 | pclov3r | goign to try a few things |
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| 15:45.32 | mumpitzel | your /boot/ isn't on the MD raid is it? |
| 15:45.34 | pclov3r | no |
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| 15:45.40 | pclov3r | it's a sperate drive |
| 15:45.42 | pclov3r | i'm doing this on |
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| 15:46.06 | jhutchins | pclov3r: Out of curiousity, what's on sda & sdb? |
| 15:46.26 | pclov3r | the two raid0 disks |
| 15:46.55 | pclov3r | well ssd's |
| 15:47.01 | jhutchins | pclov3r: Try installing grub to them directly. |
| 15:47.05 | merovingien | petn-randall: ChrisH: Capabilities work fine on ruby 1.9.3p448 (2013-06-27 revision 41675) [x86_64-linux] but not on ruby1.9.1 anyway thanx for your help |
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| 15:47.24 | pclov3r | I'm going to use a 3rd party tool and see what happens. |
| 15:47.40 | pclov3r | brb |
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| 15:52.23 | Trae32566-NE-1 | !frankendebian |
| 15:52.24 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 15:58.02 | Doyle | Q. can the user id blarg@blarg at the end of an id_rsa.pub file be changed? |
| 15:58.10 | Doyle | without regenerating the keypair? |
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| 16:00.18 | ferene | Sure; just edit it in nano. |
| 16:00.32 | ferene | Doyle: It's just a comment. |
| 16:00.44 | Doyle | cool. Thanks |
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| 16:06.48 | Norbertos | I had this in my .profile: http://paste.debian.net/15015/ |
| 16:07.05 | Norbertos | But I definitely don't get those locations in my PATH :( |
| 16:07.20 | Norbertos | I type ifconfig to test whether they are in PATH |
| 16:07.24 | Norbertos | But they are not :/ |
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| 16:11.21 | nkuttler | Norbertos: if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] is true, right? |
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| 16:11.57 | nkuttler | Norbertos: see also man bash, INVOCATION |
| 16:12.08 | Norbertos | nkuttler: Unfortunately I can't understand that, some explanation needed. :S |
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| 16:12.11 | Zopieux | hi |
| 16:12.18 | babilen | Norbertos: I mentioned earlier that ~/.profile is *not* being read if you use BASH and if you have ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login, but you left already. Do you use BASH? |
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| 16:12.37 | Zopieux | I uninstalled some services eg. nginx (apt-get remove --purge) but the daemon still appears in rcconf tool |
| 16:12.46 | Zopieux | any idea why? how can I purge this list? |
| 16:12.49 | nkuttler | Norbertos: if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] check if you have a dir named bin in your home directory |
| 16:12.55 | Norbertos | bablien: Sorry, man :S Well, I've never been into this thing till now, so I don't know really :S |
| 16:12.56 | Seryth | Zopieux, have you rebooted since? |
| 16:12.59 | nkuttler | Norbertos: if you don't, that line doesn't apply |
| 16:13.06 | Zopieux | no Seryth, is it mandatory? |
| 16:13.10 | nkuttler | Norbertos: see also #bash, they probably know good beginner guides |
| 16:13.17 | Seryth | Zopieux, in all honest I'm not sure, but it's worth a try. |
| 16:13.42 | babilen | Norbertos: Do you have a ~/.bash_profile and/or ~/.bashrc in your $HOME? |
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| 16:14.55 | Norbertos | babilen: I've got the .bashrc |
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| 16:16.05 | nkuttler | Norbertos: so, how about my initial question? |
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| 16:16.33 | karlpinc | Where is the info page for cpio in wheezy? The man page is ungood. |
| 16:17.12 | babilen | Norbertos: Sorry, have to run -- I'd use a ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc such as https://paste.debian.net/15017/ |
| 16:17.27 | Norbertos | nkuttler: I still dunno, or what ? Sorry, but I confused |
| 16:17.45 | nkuttler | Norbertos: do you have a directory named "bin" in your home directory? |
| 16:17.49 | babilen | Norbertos: Adjust those paths to your liking -- have fun! |
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| 16:17.55 | babilen | waves |
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| 16:18.39 | Trae32566-NE-1 | ungood? |
| 16:18.47 | Norbertos | nkuttler: No, I haven't got any ... |
| 16:18.53 | jhutchins | Why would you put sbin in a normal user's path? There's a reason it's not there by default. |
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| 16:18.56 | nkuttler | Norbertos: so that line is never executed |
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| 16:19.33 | Norbertos | nkuttler: Which line ? I'm totally unfamiliar in this. :/ |
| 16:19.47 | nkuttler | Norbertos: the one you are talking about |
| 16:19.57 | Norbertos | nkuttler: Oh, well, understand, sorry :) |
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| 16:20.10 | Norbertos | I've realized what on earth is going on :P |
| 16:20.14 | Norbertos | Thanks your patience ... |
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| 16:22.00 | Norbertos | nkuttler: I try out new settings, so I leave - thanks for all help - but I'll return with another problem ... |
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| 16:24.38 | Norbertos | nkuttler: I've got this now, and is still not working: http://paste.debian.net/15018 |
| 16:24.44 | peterrooney | jhutchins: some utils in /sbin and /usr/sbin are runnable by users to inquire about system settings |
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| 16:26.57 | jordanm | peterrooney, such as? |
| 16:27.22 | peterrooney | jordanm: ifconfig |
| 16:27.41 | jordanm | peterrooney, use /bin/ip |
| 16:29.25 | ilikenwf | so apparently the bitlbee package we have now continues children processes repeatedly for no good reason |
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| 16:29.49 | peterrooney | jordanm: nice dodge |
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| 16:30.24 | jordanm | peterrooney, that's the only one that I know of that comes up, and ifconfig is technically deprecated |
| 16:30.42 | jordanm | ifupdown still uses it though |
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| 16:32.12 | peterrooney | jordanm: if ifconfig were deprecated, would it be in net-tools? I'll use /bin/ip when my life depends on it and someone does an actual didactic writeup on it. |
| 16:32.41 | nkuttler | Norbertos: you should go to #bash for bash support |
| 16:32.53 | Norbertos | Yeah, 'Ive already done that |
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| 16:33.58 | jordanm | net-tools as a whole is deprecated in favor of iproute2 |
| 16:33.58 | nkuttler | also tab-completion for sudo... |
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| 16:37.53 | peterrooney | jordanm: you're kidding, right? arp, netstat, rarp, iptunnel. |
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| 16:38.26 | jordanm | peterrooney, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html |
| 16:39.05 | jordanm | peterrooney, the functionality of all of those is in `ip` |
| 16:39.55 | jhutchins | peterrooney: The generally recommended method for those commands is to use the full path. |
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| 16:40.21 | peterrooney | jordanm: that note says, the _goal_ is to replace. When was this replacement actually accomplished? |
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| 16:41.53 | jhutchins | peterrooney: Obviously, it hasn't been, possibly for compatibility with other posix systems. |
| 16:42.01 | jhutchins | s/compatibility/consistancy/ |
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| 16:44.29 | peterrooney | jhutchins: huh? given that almost everything in iproute is done via the ip command, there's not going to be a namespace collision just by adding the functionality to iproute - nothing's stopping net-tools from retaining the functionality until finally phased out. |
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| 16:47.06 | confusid | is there a way to enable ALT-TAB as in windows to go to next program? |
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| 16:48.44 | peterrooney | Also, kudos to the team for putting the relevant command into an ungoogleable term - the signal to noise is incredible. Kind of like choosing the username "the" around here. |
| 16:48.47 | nkuttler | confusid: that's the default with any de/wm i've ever used |
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| 16:49.08 | peterrooney | confusid: what window manager are you using? |
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| 17:11.41 | confusid | nkuttler: I have Compiz installed. I think it worked before installing that. |
| 17:12.07 | nkuttler | compiz still exists.. |
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| 17:13.40 | jaggz- | where do I put a wifi firmware file (ra2870.bin or whatever) on a USB drive to be recognized by a USB or CD installation? |
| 17:13.41 | jordanm | peterrooney, use "iproute" in your searches instead of "ip" |
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| 17:14.42 | jordanm | jhutchins, I don't think its compatibility reasons, I think its more because no one has rewritten ifupdown |
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| 17:18.17 | bungalo | hi |
| 17:18.20 | peterrooney | jordanm: handy, that. we're likely to end up repeating that ten thousand more times. |
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| 17:41.27 | b0ss_ | do I have to umount my usb drive before fdisk'ing it ? |
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| 17:43.27 | DummyMode | hi |
| 17:43.42 | CyberaX | hello ;) |
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| 17:46.20 | jhutchins | b0ss_: Recommended |
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| 17:47.22 | jhutchins | jordanm: I meant to correct "compatibility" to "consistancy". |
| 17:47.59 | jhutchins | jordanm: There are a number of "hot new ideas" in Linux that have never been fully implemented so that Linux stays consistent with other versions of Unix. |
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| 17:48.27 | jhutchins | jordanm: Or rather they have been implemented, but the old ways are still around. |
| 17:48.37 | jordanm | jhutchins, debian is just often one of the last to get on board with those "hot new ideas" |
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| 17:49.00 | jhutchins | jordanm: nslookup for instance - no longer even gives you the "deprecated" message. |
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| 17:49.54 | b0ss_ | now how to format USB device in NTFS format ? |
| 17:50.21 | CyberaX | ntfs-3g tools |
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| 17:53.47 | Shtl_ | i found "brcmsmac 0000:12:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw (not found?)" entry in dmesg out put, can any one help me plz? |
| 17:54.41 | CyberaX | find firmware to google ex: "index of" bcm43xx-0.fw |
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| 17:55.07 | ByteTripper | yo. |
| 17:55.24 | ByteTripper | I love the way xubuntu acts and looks |
| 17:55.29 | ByteTripper | but, it falls apart fast... |
| 17:55.40 | Shtl_ | CyberaX: when i try to install driver it again said unsupported device |
| 17:55.44 | ByteTripper | Any way to have Debian look nice like xubuntu but be stable like debian? |
| 17:56.06 | ByteTripper | im under debian lxde right now |
| 17:56.14 | ByteTripper | and, well it's ugly. |
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| 18:12.25 | daela | when upgrading from squeeze to wheezy: apt-upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot. /etc/debian_version still says 6.07. should that have changed? |
| 18:13.42 | zaltekk | daela: is your apt config set to use the squeeze? |
| 18:13.47 | zaltekk | *the squeeze repos |
| 18:14.08 | zaltekk | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:14.31 | daela | they were all adjusted to point to wheezy |
| 18:14.46 | zaltekk | did you do an apt-get update? |
| 18:14.56 | daela | apt-get, apt-get upgrade, etc.. .all look to run as i would expect |
| 18:15.00 | daela | i did |
| 18:15.37 | zaltekk | not sure what else to tell you. i don't use debian that often....just on a couple of servers |
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| 18:15.46 | zaltekk | never had to dist-upgrade before |
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| 18:16.16 | zaltekk | surely you can ask the packaging tools which package /etc/debian_version belongs to |
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| 18:17.49 | jelly-home | daela: did you save the output of the upgrade process? |
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| 18:18.06 | daela | i didn't tell it to. is a log saved by default? |
| 18:18.10 | jelly-home | nope. |
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| 18:18.36 | jelly-home | I usually run it inside script (and that inside screen) |
| 18:18.38 | daela | well i could do this. it's a vm that i can roll back to just before i changed sources.list and rerun the steps and have it save the output |
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| 18:19.07 | daela | oh well. i'll poke at it some more. thanks for the input |
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| 18:20.00 | xingu | jelly-home: you mean like the release notes tell you to? :) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session |
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| 18:20.59 | jelly-home | imagine that! |
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| 18:22.27 | Zopieux | as root on the machine where openldap is installed, how do you clear all entries? |
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| 18:23.27 | jordanm | Zopieux, you mean delete everything from the slapd database? |
| 18:23.41 | Zopieux | I would like to reset everything so I can start from scratch |
| 18:23.52 | Zopieux | I'm unable to delete the two entries already in the database |
| 18:24.10 | Zopieux | i'm using -Y EXTERNAL to authenticate |
| 18:25.29 | daela | release notes? what's that? take care and use caution? huh? ;p |
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| 18:25.59 | Zopieux | but ldapmodify denies my modifications with Insufficient access (50) |
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| 18:26.30 | Zopieux | jordanm, maybe I should first "reset" the "root" password |
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| 18:28.02 | jordanm | Zopieux, grep 'olcRootPW' /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config/* -r |
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| 18:29.18 | Zopieux | hm |
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| 18:30.49 | Zopieux | got this jordanm: /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config/olcDatabase={1}hdb.ldif:olcRootPW:: e1NTSEF9emUrb3dSVEZQa1AzM29aQzdybW5ZNkIwREdKSVlUQlc= |
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| 18:31.54 | Zopieux | so I may ldappasswd | base64 and then edit the file? |
| 18:32.10 | jordanm | that's a hash |
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| 18:33.29 | Zopieux | I know, it's {SSHA}ze+owRTFPkP33oZC7rmnY6B0DGJIYTBW |
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| 18:36.03 | jelly-home | gets cracking |
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| 18:37.02 | th0rsten_ | hi |
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| 18:37.38 | th0rsten_ | after activating optimus in bios. I can only use gnome-classic |
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| 18:46.55 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. |
| 18:47.34 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm trying to upgrade a newly installed system (from VZ container) and I'm getting this error on apt-get update: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/backupserver:3142_debian_dists_wheezy_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message |
| 18:47.37 | Pegasus_RPG | How can I fix it? |
| 18:48.10 | Pegasus_RPG | (I'm using apt-cacher on the machine called backupserver and it works fine for other hosts that update from it) |
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| 18:51.26 | Zopieux | * jelly-home gets cracking |
| 18:51.46 | Zopieux | it's a LAN with no WAN access :) |
| 18:52.12 | Pegasus_RPG | nvm, I had to install apt and libapt-pkg4.12 which added some keys |
| 18:52.24 | reavengrey | I just discovered |
| 18:52.29 | reavengrey | visualboyadvance-gtk |
| 18:52.33 | reavengrey | awwwww yea son |
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| 18:53.11 | Brigo | PenguinBoy: you can try to delete it and apt-get update again. |
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| 18:59.30 | Brigo | Pegasus_RPG: : you can try to delete it and apt-get update again. |
| 19:00.25 | Pegasus_RPG | Brigo: Just apt-get install apt did the trick |
| 19:01.08 | Brigo | Pegasus_RPG: interesting :-m |
| 19:01.53 | moof2_ | Pegasus_RPG, were you upgrading? look at the apt-get output... did it replace? |
| 19:01.57 | Pegasus_RPG | Brigo: apparently it added some keys |
| 19:02.33 | Pegasus_RPG | moof2_: oh, hrm it says all were unchanged. o_O |
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| 19:04.15 | moof2_ | Pegasus_RPG, here's what I'm getting at... does it look like the -package- was updated according to the output of apt-get install apt? |
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| 19:05.24 | moof2_ | , file bin/apt-get |
| 19:05.31 | judd | Search for bin/apt-get in wheezy/i386: apt: usr/bin/apt-get |
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| 19:06.58 | blib | I've debian 6 coming on a vm. how hard is it to migrate to debian 7? |
| 19:07.20 | moof2_ | pretty easy if the machine has net |
| 19:07.31 | blib | it does have network indeed |
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| 19:08.08 | moof2_ | you should read the release notes for wheezy |
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| 19:09.41 | moof2_ | the first thing is you want to get your debian 6 up to date |
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| 19:12.32 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... does debian supports pci-passthrough kvm ? |
| 19:12.34 | Xmode | I am intending to build a debian server for use on a LAN, primarily for purpose of hosting virtual machines. It will also be an ssh server, and the VMs will be accessed from other workstations on the same LAN. I am going to harden the server's kernel with security patch and other security components.... |
| 19:12.50 | Xmode | Right now I have installed a generic kernel and set up the ssh to work on it from another workstation. My thought is that it would be a better approach to install the security patch to the kernel first, then some of the other security elements. Only after having these in place do I plan to install the programs needed to run the VMs, that is, VirtualBox. Does this approach sound like a good one? |
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| 19:13.32 | jordanm | Xmode, what patches? SELinux coes with the kernel |
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| 19:14.18 | ByteTripper | hey |
| 19:14.24 | ByteTripper | I just installed the proprietary drivers |
| 19:14.28 | ByteTripper | for nvidia cards |
| 19:14.32 | ByteTripper | all is fine |
| 19:14.33 | ByteTripper | except |
| 19:14.38 | ByteTripper | it's no longer detecting my display.... |
| 19:14.43 | jordanm | !enter |
| 19:14.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:14.47 | Xmode | grsecurity. But my concern was really about the order of adding parts to it, not so much which parts I want to use. |
| 19:14.52 | Xmode | jordanm: |
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| 19:15.59 | ByteTripper | does anyone know how to fix this issue? |
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| 19:16.08 | jordanm | Xmode, it shouldn't matter, but I would do the kernel first |
| 19:16.16 | jordanm | bytecounter, how did you install the drivers? |
| 19:16.26 | Xmode | thanks |
| 19:16.34 | jordanm | and use KVM instead :) |
| 19:17.03 | ByteTripper | so does anyone have any idea why it's not detecting my display? I followed the instructions word for word on the wiki |
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| 19:18.07 | JasonWoof | the changelog for util-linux 2.20.1-5.5 says only that it fixes a cve, by applying a patch (which adds a small amount of code) and aptitude is telling me that if I upgrade it (and some other packages that build from the same source package) that it will free about 400KiB of disk space. Should I be worried? |
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| 19:18.58 | ByteTripper | JasonWoof: no |
| 19:19.11 | ByteTripper | jordanm: where you talking to me...? |
| 19:19.18 | Pegasus_RPG | moof2_: yes, it does |
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| 19:19.43 | jordanm | ByteTripper, yes |
| 19:19.51 | ByteTripper | jordanm: you got my name worng :p |
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| 19:20.03 | ByteTripper | Also, I followed the wiki but my display isn't being detected |
| 19:20.36 | moof2_ | Pegasus_RPG, that makes sense then... it wouldn't have done anything if the apt you had installed was the same version as the available one |
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| 19:21.10 | ByteTripper | jordanm: Debian is booting |
| 19:21.14 | ByteTripper | but failing to recognize a display |
| 19:21.22 | JasonWoof | ByteTripper: is it normal for packages (installed size) to shrink by 10-30% when they're rebuilt with minor source modification? |
| 19:21.43 | jordanm | ByteTripper, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:21.46 | ByteTripper | JasonWoof: could be compressed? Could be removing stuff from before |
| 19:21.47 | Pegasus_RPG | moof2_: right. Since it listed it in the packages-to-upgrade list, I figured I'd try installing it alone and see if it helps |
| 19:21.49 | ByteTripper | jordanm: how... |
| 19:22.45 | jordanm | ByteTripper, curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:25.30 | ByteTripper | just hits a error. |
| 19:26.08 | jordanm | what error? |
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| 19:26.15 | ByteTripper | jordanm: it's a error about posting |
| 19:26.32 | jordanm | ByteTripper, i just tested it on my machine |
| 19:26.45 | jordanm | the curl command works |
| 19:26.59 | ByteTripper | I got a 404 |
| 19:27.16 | jordanm | must be a typo in there |
| 19:27.43 | jordanm | ssh to the box so you can copy and paste the command |
| 19:27.54 | ByteTripper | there was no typo |
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| 19:28.03 | ByteTripper | I changed the command |
| 19:28.25 | ByteTripper | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 19:28.36 | ByteTripper | sprunge.us/Icbj |
| 19:29.21 | Th0rsten | hi |
| 19:29.37 | ByteTripper | apparantly something went wrong wtith setting up the nvidia driver... |
| 19:29.41 | Th0rsten | i think i have trouble with my nvidia drivers too |
| 19:29.45 | jordanm | ByteTripper, is nvidia-kernel-dkms installed? |
| 19:29.55 | ByteTripper | letme check |
| 19:29.58 | Th0rsten | when i boot i only get a blinking _ |
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| 19:30.19 | ByteTripper | installihng. |
| 19:30.21 | ByteTripper | installing* |
| 19:30.22 | ByteTripper | >.> |
| 19:30.51 | xkosh | say hello, wheezy |
| 19:30.56 | ByteTripper | jordanm: it's now installed |
| 19:30.57 | xkosh | (hello) |
| 19:30.59 | ByteTripper | do I just reboot? |
| 19:31.09 | jordanm | ByteTripper, yeah, that should work |
| 19:31.46 | xkosh | is wheezy froze now? |
| 19:32.34 | jordanm | xkosh, released |
| 19:32.55 | xkosh | will testing be more stable or less as a result of new dev priorities, or does it matter? |
| 19:33.06 | ByteTripper | jordanm: sprunge.us/EILO |
| 19:33.13 | xkosh | ok, release come after freeze, right |
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| 19:33.55 | jordanm | ByteTripper, oh, it looks like you are missing the xorg driver too... not sure what you installed before |
| 19:34.02 | jordanm | ByteTripper, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 19:34.41 | xkosh | see, i have this old sony laptop, and im using stable on it now (just finished updates) and im wondering if dist-upgrading to testing is going to make me cry |
| 19:34.43 | jordanm | xkosh, less for some time following a release, it may have settled down by now |
| 19:35.05 | jordanm | xkosh, if you don't have a real reason to use testing then don't |
| 19:35.13 | xkosh | emacs 24 |
| 19:35.20 | ByteTripper | jordanm: sprunge.us/dYQA |
| 19:36.31 | Th0rsten | As my problem seemed to be similar i reinstalled nvidia kernel and nvidia glx but it does not seem to have helped |
| 19:36.33 | xkosh | i doubt compiling 24 will make /any/ difference, but you know... |
| 19:36.40 | jordanm | ByteTripper, pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy` |
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| 19:37.03 | jordanm | Th0masR0ss, pastebin your Xorg.0.log as well |
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| 19:37.26 | ByteTripper | sprunge.us/NVaV |
| 19:37.28 | xkosh | i suppose ill just bite the bullet |
| 19:37.47 | Th0masR0ss | jordanm: ? |
| 19:37.57 | ByteTripper | Th0rsten: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://www.sprunge.us |
| 19:38.07 | jordanm | ByteTripper, you have non-free enabled for squeeze, but not for wheezy. which version are you running?\ |
| 19:38.14 | Th0rsten | ok one moment |
| 19:38.17 | ByteTripper | jordanm: I'm not completely sure |
| 19:38.41 | jordanm | bytecounter, pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6; uname -a |
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| 19:38.59 | jordanm | you can group it: { apt-cache policy libc6; uname -a } | .... |
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| 19:39.36 | CyberaX | cad policy ? |
| 19:39.43 | xkosh | so far so good though, other than emacs 24 not making the cut, i guess i missed the discussion when they froze stable |
| 19:40.09 | rainfyre | froze stable? |
| 19:40.26 | xkosh | er, yeah |
| 19:40.34 | rainfyre | heh |
| 19:40.42 | xkosh | or whatever :/ |
| 19:40.45 | rainfyre | :) |
| 19:40.50 | ByteTripper | jordanm: sprunge.us/RgZP |
| 19:40.59 | blib | where is lsb_release on debian 7? |
| 19:41.09 | xkosh | you dont know these people are :D |
| 19:41.21 | xkosh | /how/ that is |
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| 19:42.08 | jordanm | ByteTripper, remove the squeeze entry from sources.list and add non-free to the wheezy line. then run apt-get update; apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx |
| 19:42.24 | msn | i am trying to install bacula while my system is also running tokutek version ogf mysql, somehow bacula is tied to the mysql-server version and wont isntall without it that's so messed up |
| 19:42.58 | jordanm | msn, you don't have to install mysql backend if you don't plan to use mysql |
| 19:42.59 | rainfyre | oh I know it |
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| 19:43.25 | msn | i want to use mysql backend but bacula-director-mysql package wont install without mysql-server package |
| 19:43.26 | Th0rsten | ByteTripper it does not seem to work I get some html code with error 404 |
| 19:43.31 | jordanm | msn, that's just the default, if you don't want it, manually install the correct one, eg bacula-director-sqlite |
| 19:43.43 | Th0rsten | Unfortunately i can not paste it i'm on another pc |
| 19:43.53 | jordanm | !tell msn about equivs |
| 19:43.54 | msn | which is messed in case i want to use a differnt server mysql instead of the one on whihc i run bacula |
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| 19:44.23 | ByteTripper | Th0rsten: wierd |
| 19:44.48 | jordanm | Th0rsten, can you ssh to the box with broken X? |
| 19:45.04 | blib | is there a debian repo for python 3.3.2 (last update) somewhere? |
| 19:45.09 | ByteTripper | jordanm: sorry |
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| 19:45.51 | Th0rsten | unfortunately not jordanm |
| 19:45.54 | jordanm | ,versions python3 |
| 19:45.55 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.2.3-7; sid: 3.2.3-7; experimental: 3.3.0-3 |
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| 19:46.07 | jordanm | blib, no |
| 19:46.24 | jhutchins | msn: You should file a bug report on the dependency pointing out the possibility of using a different server for the database. |
| 19:46.41 | Th0masR0ss | ,versions python3.2 |
| 19:46.42 | judd | Package: python3.2 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-7; jessie: 3.2.4-1; sid: 3.2.4-1 |
| 19:46.50 | Th0masR0ss | oh never mind |
| 19:46.58 | jordanm | jhutchins, you can use a different server for the database, but -mysql... requires mysql |
| 19:47.08 | Th0rsten | can i try to send the log to some other site? pastebin probably? |
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| 19:47.42 | jordanm | jhutchins, oh |
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| 19:48.00 | jordanm | msn, apt-get install --no-install-recommends ... |
| 19:48.11 | jhutchins | jordanm: Yeah, which it shouldn't, 'cause the db can be on another server running mysql. |
| 19:48.39 | jhutchins | jordanm: You might need components from the client, but not the server. |
| 19:48.40 | monod | hello |
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| 19:48.53 | monod | I have another sound issue.... |
| 19:48.56 | HelenaKitty | How do I extract a tar.xz? |
| 19:49.03 | msn | jordanm: thanks, i think that worked |
| 19:49.13 | HelenaKitty | I am trying to compile linux 3.10 |
| 19:49.31 | monod | I have to unplug and plug back my external audio card in to make it work... I don't know why... Debian 7.0 |
| 19:49.46 | monod | it has never behaved like that.. |
| 19:50.05 | monod | please |
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| 19:50.53 | Th0masR0ss | !tell HelenaKitty about xz |
| 19:50.59 | blib | what's the best python 3.x version I can get for wheezy? how do I install it? |
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| 19:51.22 | ByteTripper | jordanm: |
| 19:51.23 | HelenaKitty | Th0masR0ss: It's fine now |
| 19:51.27 | ByteTripper | dkms is the newest version |
| 19:51.30 | xkosh | ,version emacs |
| 19:51.31 | ByteTripper | and there's no jkls |
| 19:51.31 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; jessie: 45.0; sid: 45.0; wheezy: 45.0 |
| 19:51.32 | ByteTripper | jordanm: |
| 19:51.36 | HelenaKitty | figured it out but thx anyway :3 |
| 19:51.36 | ByteTripper | there's no nvidia-glx |
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| 19:52.03 | xkosh | this is the debian i know |
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| 19:52.11 | ByteTripper | so jordanm what do I do |
| 19:53.05 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 19:53.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.88-3; sid/non-free: 304.88-4; experimental/non-free: 319.32-1 |
| 19:53.17 | Th0rsten | I think there might be something wrong with my conf file for x |
| 19:53.25 | jordanm | ByteTripper, you must not have properly added the non-free for wheezy and then ran apt-get update |
| 19:53.36 | ByteTripper | jordanm: I don't have the nonfree wheezy... |
| 19:53.45 | jordanm | ByteTripper, I told you to add it |
| 19:54.17 | ByteTripper | I installed the openssh server |
| 19:54.22 | ByteTripper | so I can just copy paste commands |
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| 19:56.36 | ByteTripper | jordanm: what do I do |
| 19:57.00 | jordanm | ByteTripper, edit /etc/apt/source.list and add non-free to the wheezy line |
| 19:57.05 | jordanm | then apt-get update |
| 19:57.08 | blib | no python3-redis in wheezy? |
| 19:57.22 | jordanm | ,versions python3-redis |
| 19:57.24 | judd | No package named 'python3-redis' was found in i386. |
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| 20:00.24 | ByteTripper | jordanm: done |
| 20:01.04 | moof2_ | you might need contrib also |
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| 20:03.38 | blib | should I build redis from source on wheezy or do apt-get install redis? |
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| 20:03.55 | ByteTripper | jordanm: |
| 20:03.56 | ByteTripper | ok |
| 20:03.58 | ByteTripper | i installed the stuff |
| 20:04.05 | ByteTripper | but now it hangs on waiting for /dev to be fully populated |
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| 20:04.28 | juryben | how can i add gnome3 activity window |
| 20:04.56 | ByteTripper | ima reinstall debian I guess... |
| 20:04.58 | ByteTripper | >.> |
| 20:05.01 | ByteTripper | No LVM this time. |
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| 20:05.37 | goose | I'm having an issue running apt-get upgrade, but I'm not sure what exactly the issue is. could someone point me in the right direction? https://captain-kickass.net/p/90 |
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| 20:06.22 | ByteTripper | goose: try: apt-get autoinstall |
| 20:06.25 | ByteTripper | then upgrade. |
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| 20:06.53 | goose | ByteTripper: Invalid operation autoinstall |
| 20:07.18 | tharkun | What is the package that holds the root certificates for debian? |
| 20:08.08 | ByteTripper | goose: I have no idea then. |
| 20:08.09 | ByteTripper | :| |
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| 20:08.43 | ByteTripper | goose: you own captain-kickass.net... |
| 20:08.44 | ByteTripper | ? |
| 20:08.48 | goose | ByteTripper: I do |
| 20:09.01 | ByteTripper | goose: mind if i use the paste part :p |
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| 20:09.24 | goose | ByteTripper: of course not |
| 20:09.36 | ByteTripper | goose: you should make it a public service on the root of your website? |
| 20:09.37 | ByteTripper | :p |
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| 20:09.40 | juryben | why no activity window in debian |
| 20:09.48 | ByteTripper | juryben: what do you mean |
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| 20:10.09 | juryben | fedora has this: |
| 20:10.10 | juryben | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoZCsEBhQu4/TqNTvoqvftI/AAAAAAAAAbU/H7cNOkF4qT0/s640/fedora_image.png |
| 20:10.12 | goose | ByteTripper: I prefer to reveal its services on an as-needed basis. hence why the root page doesn't do anything productive. |
| 20:10.17 | juryben | how do i get it |
| 20:10.27 | ByteTripper | ah |
| 20:10.28 | ByteTripper | lol |
| 20:10.32 | juryben | what is it called? |
| 20:10.53 | ByteTripper | juryben: that might be specific to a wm / de |
| 20:11.12 | juryben | i want it, but i have no idea what it is |
| 20:11.21 | ByteTripper | wernt you just in ##linux... |
| 20:11.25 | juryben | yea |
| 20:11.31 | juryben | they said gnome3 |
| 20:11.35 | juryben | it's not? |
| 20:11.39 | ByteTripper | install gnome3? |
| 20:11.40 | ByteTripper | :p |
| 20:11.48 | juryben | debian has gnome3 by default |
| 20:11.53 | juryben | and doesnt have that |
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| 20:12.17 | ByteTripper | idk |
| 20:12.17 | ByteTripper | >.. |
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| 20:12.22 | mtn | juryben: I'll bet you are in fallback mode because of your graphics drivers |
| 20:12.39 | juryben | does your debian have it? |
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| 20:12.54 | juryben | thats possible |
| 20:12.57 | mtn | juryben: what is on the panel starting on the left side? |
| 20:13.02 | ByteTripper | juryben: I'm a XFCE person. |
| 20:13.28 | ByteTripper | I'm currently on a laptop running on a charger |
| 20:13.32 | juryben | mine is the default stuff like http://ubuntu4beginners.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/debian-6-0-sqeeze.png |
| 20:13.33 | ByteTripper | hacked together out of a old power brick |
| 20:13.41 | juryben | nice |
| 20:13.59 | mtn | juryben: yes, that is fallback mode |
| 20:14.02 | ByteTripper | this laptop has no keyboard. |
| 20:14.03 | ByteTripper | :p |
| 20:14.18 | ByteTripper | I'm using a usb keyboard and swapping between this laptop and my desktop as I reinstall debian. |
| 20:14.21 | juryben | how can you tell? |
| 20:14.30 | juryben | looks like default installation to me |
| 20:14.34 | ByteTripper | This laptop runs LXDE, the desktop gets XFCE |
| 20:14.51 | mtn | juryben: run this in a terminal and see what video card you have: lspci -nn |
| 20:15.05 | juryben | i have ati card |
| 20:15.11 | juryben | ill run in a minute |
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| 20:16.12 | mtn | juryben: start here for better graphics: http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
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| 20:16.40 | juryben | ok, but i dont think it's in fallback |
| 20:16.56 | juryben | and i dont see why'd the activity window would be missing |
| 20:17.05 | juryben | i just need to install it? |
| 20:17.10 | mtn | juryben: ok, but what do you think it is? maybe you should go look at gnome3 fallback mode on the net. |
| 20:17.11 | dawud | quit |
| 20:17.14 | dawud | oops |
| 20:17.16 | Th0rsten | ByteTripper jordamn i know got a working ssh connection. |
| 20:17.28 | mtn | juryben: activity window is missing in fallback mode. |
| 20:17.43 | juryben | ok, but it is there on default? |
| 20:18.00 | mtn | juryben: if not in fallback mode, yes. that is the way mine looks. |
| 20:18.08 | juryben | ok thanks |
| 20:18.18 | juryben | ill work it |
| 20:19.57 | tgs3 | while sux is not working properly in debian7, what would you use to allow user1 in X to start process as user2 also in X (e.g. start new shell, and from there start xclock) |
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| 20:21.49 | blib | I just installed "redis-server" and "nginx". How do I make sure they run at boot? |
| 20:22.03 | ByteTripper | nginx should be a service and autoboot |
| 20:22.08 | ByteTripper | Im not sure about redis-server though |
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| 20:23.09 | Kriminel | hello, i've just purchased a kvm vps and installed debian7 from a mounted DVD-rom. I finished the installation then tried to connect with putty on the given IP address and i got "connection refused". I tried apt-get install sshd but there's no such package with that name. I have SOME knowledge about debian however treat me as a total newcomer. Please give me some ideas. |
| 20:23.29 | piklu | Is there a full fledged server mail package available ?? |
| 20:23.29 | piklu | where I can point all my domain emails |
| 20:23.29 | piklu | and enjoy a full emailing service |
| 20:24.00 | moof2_ | Kriminel you may need a little support from the hosting people |
| 20:24.25 | Kriminel | moof2_ you think its a firewall issue? |
| 20:24.27 | tgs3 | Kriminel: apt-get search ssh | grep server |
| 20:24.31 | digdilem | piklu, exim4's the standard, but creating and running a mail server is sometimes a learning curve |
| 20:24.35 | Th0rsten | Kriminel try installing openssh-server and start it from /etc/init.d with ssh start |
| 20:24.50 | Kriminel | tgs3 ty, trying |
| 20:24.51 | piklu | I need something like complete server - like gmail types webend |
| 20:25.03 | Kriminel | Th0rsten one sec |
| 20:25.08 | nkuttler | piklu: for you personally or many users? |
| 20:25.09 | digdilem | piklu, squirrelmail and roundcube are webmail packages |
| 20:25.10 | moof2_ | Kriminel, could be, not sure yet... do you still have a shell? |
| 20:25.25 | piklu | Well not many people, I hate squirrel,... |
| 20:25.27 | Th0rsten | not an expert but that was what I had to do to get an ssh connection |
| 20:25.31 | Kriminel | moof2_ i'm connected to the console via a java applet |
| 20:25.32 | piklu | But yes clients |
| 20:25.36 | moof2_ | ok |
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| 20:25.57 | nkuttler | piklu: i wouldn't do it. massive headache. i've done it once when i was hired full time, would never do for clients |
| 20:26.01 | digdilem | you're asking some odd questions piklu. forgive me, but do you have much linux or email experience? |
| 20:26.01 | blib | ByteTripper: /etc/init.d/redis-server exists. How can I check if it self-starts? |
| 20:26.09 | moof2_ | Th0rsten probably is right |
| 20:26.10 | piklu | Yes I do |
| 20:26.12 | rainfyre | Kriminel: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 20:26.21 | piklu | and rather than using all the diff packages with roundcube |
| 20:26.25 | Kriminel | tgs3: invalid operation search |
| 20:26.26 | ByteTripper | blib: reboot the machine? :P |
| 20:26.27 | piklu | I thought if there is a turnkey thing |
| 20:26.38 | Kriminel | trying with install openssh-server |
| 20:26.47 | digdilem | piklu, there may be, but not in debian afaik. you're asking about a mta and a webmail frontend as if they're the same thing |
| 20:26.49 | piklu | nkuttler : so it is wiser to offshore email |
| 20:26.55 | tgs3 | Kriminel: sorry. apt-cache (I use aptitude usually)... Kriminel yes, use openssh-server |
| 20:26.56 | nkuttler | piklu: turnkey? what are you going to do when the email land in some spam filter? or your clients get inundated with spam? or your spamfilter has false positives? |
| 20:27.02 | piklu | Definitely not the same thing |
| 20:27.18 | frikinz | blib: if thre is a file /etc/rc2.d/S*redis-server |
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| 20:28.37 | Th0rsten | can i put something on pastebin direcly via ssh? |
| 20:28.41 | blib | frikinz: there is S02redis-server -> ../init |
| 20:28.43 | Kriminel | apt-get install openssh-server is asking to insert the cdrom which i unmounted after install, where do i remove the cdrom from apt sources again please? |
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| 20:28.57 | blib | frikinz: how do I find out where its reading its .conf file from? |
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| 20:29.03 | dcrypt | Kriminel, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:29.09 | blib | found it, thanks |
| 20:29.14 | Kriminel | ty dcrypt |
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| 20:29.41 | frikinz | Th0rsten: yes via package pastebinit |
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| 20:30.19 | Kriminel | great that worked like a charm. Thank you guys for your quick help. |
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| 20:31.45 | Th0rsten | frikinz thanks. could you give me a small example syntax? |
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| 20:32.28 | rainfyre | Kriminel: np |
| 20:32.56 | ByteTripper | weahter is |
| 20:32.59 | ByteTripper | turning nasty here |
| 20:33.02 | ByteTripper | NASTY. |
| 20:33.17 | ByteTripper | so i wont be able to respond fast. Lucky my computer is on a ups |
| 20:33.20 | ByteTripper | so the debian install can finish |
| 20:33.22 | ByteTripper | so is my interenet. |
| 20:33.41 | frikinz | Th0rsten: probably like --> echo "hey I need help" | pastebinit - |
| 20:33.53 | frikinz | could be without the - |
| 20:34.09 | frikinz | Th0rsten: that'll give you a link |
| 20:35.33 | moof2_ | ByteTripper, is the upgrade currently "downloading"? |
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| 20:38.34 | Kriminel | ok it looks like i-mscp does not support wheezy yet |
| 20:38.35 | ByteTripper | well this isn't a great sign. |
| 20:38.39 | ByteTripper | It just went from 29c to 23 |
| 20:38.43 | ByteTripper | and it's dropping as wind picks up... |
| 20:38.52 | ByteTripper | Also, it's kinda gone silent... |
| 20:39.13 | ByteTripper | So I may not be here often or at all for a few hours to days, as patio stuff is going to fly. |
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| 20:39.32 | ByteTripper | We've had tables fly half way across our neighbourhood during these storms. |
| 20:39.40 | Th0rsten | anyone has advice for me what to do? i hope this helps : http://paste.debian.net/15059 |
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| 20:41.16 | ByteTripper | hey guys |
| 20:41.21 | ByteTripper | wait i'l post it in offtopic |
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| 20:41.52 | lampshade | i'm trying to set up a redundant web server for load balancing. is using a shared NAS going to cause write concurrency problems? |
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| 20:42.11 | ChibaPet | lampshade: You shouldn't be writing enough for it to matter. |
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| 20:44.13 | lampshade | so what amount would be enough for it to matter so i understand the limitation? |
| 20:44.47 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: So did you try to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:44.49 | ChibaPet | lampshade: Well, web service should be gating on reads if anything. |
| 20:45.23 | Th0rsten | i installed nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx |
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| 20:46.14 | jhutchins | lampshade: It depends on the NAS. If it has something that allows sharing mounts and manages locks and sync, you're ok, but generally no. |
| 20:46.30 | jhutchins | lampshade: Oracle has ocfs which allows multiple nodes to share a filesystem, but for standard EXT it won't really work. |
| 20:46.32 | lampshade | ChibaPet: its an app that stores a fair amount of data on disk |
| 20:46.43 | lampshade | jhutchins: thanks, that's what I was afraid of |
| 20:47.00 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: What instructions did you follow? |
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| 20:47.50 | Th0rsten | Probably the wrong ones -.- Can't tell you anymore as it was on my laptop which does not start gnome anymore |
| 20:47.59 | ChibaPet | lampshade: So, you're talking about something other than web service. In this case, it really depends entirely on what your application is doing. |
| 20:48.24 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: Well, you should be able to get to a console and un-do what you did. That should get you back to at least VESA resolution. |
| 20:48.31 | lampshade | ChibaPet: Yes, sorry I didn't abstract the problem correctly |
| 20:48.33 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:49.37 | ChibaPet | lampshade: It's possible you haven't abstracted the solution properly either. :P But either way, it really does depend on what's happening that is doing the writing. Shared database, very likely not a problem if it's one database engine running. If you have multiple databases competing for disk, that could be an issue. |
| 20:50.39 | lampshade | ChibaPet: I'm still fumbling around for a good solution. Thanks, those are good points to consider |
| 20:50.49 | ChibaPet | lampshade: Give more detail please. What's behind the web server? |
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| 20:51.09 | ChibaPet | Are you talking about a Rails app accessing a database, or the equivalent? |
| 20:51.50 | moof2_ | also, are you anticipating some problem in the future you want to cover now, or is there actually an issue now? |
| 20:51.56 | ChibaPet | Is it one database, or several? I'm really hoping it's just one. If it's just one, then can we assume the shared storage is being used by an active instance, and the passive instance won't bother with it until it's woken up? Or is this some funny active/active pair? |
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| 20:52.26 | lampshade | ChibaPet: no, the database is a separate, but there are some services which allow uploading files, for instance, to the server |
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| 20:52.29 | ChibaPet | (And is it Oracle, or PostgreSQL, or...? The technology in question will impact your options.) |
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| 20:53.39 | lampshade | *database is a separate issue |
| 20:53.47 | ChibaPet | lampshade: Can you segregate those areas? There aren't lots of cases I can think of where your uploads will swamp the disks, but if so, maybe you can use your NAS such that uploads hit spindles that aren't used to serve your databases and static content and the like. |
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| 20:54.41 | lampshade | ChibaPet: yeah, I see what you're saying. i think that should work |
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| 20:55.43 | ChibaPet | lampshade: I need to go watch my toddler run around outside, but think of this in terms of spinning disks, if that's what's in your NAS. You can usually group disks together somehow. Keep those groupings in mind when deciding where various bits of data should live and you should avoid physical contention. |
| 20:55.48 | lampshade | ChibaPet: I need to investigate the extent of dynamic data that's stored outside of the database, thanks for the help |
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| 20:56.10 | lampshade | ChibaPet: Thanks a lot |
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| 20:56.22 | ChibaPet | My pleasure. (Hire me.) Have a good one. |
| 20:56.28 | chris429 | is Unity3d available on linux yet? |
| 20:56.37 | jhutchins | I work for an organization with fairly good resources and we concluded that sharing a normal filesystem over a NAS that did not have provisions for shared mounts was not practical, period. |
| 20:57.05 | ChibaPet | s/practical/sane/ |
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| 20:57.20 | ChibaPet | And even things like OCFS are insane. |
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| 20:57.24 | jhutchins | You need a filesystem on the NAS that provides the locking and synchronizing methods, whether it presents that filesystem as a standard one, or the filesystem itself has those provisions. |
| 20:57.27 | lampshade | jhutchins: linux now supports locks on open files |
| 20:57.38 | Th0rsten | jhutchins i think that was what i tried early. did it again and restart now |
| 20:57.40 | lampshade | jhutchins: is there any way to take advantage of that via NAS/NFS mount? |
| 20:57.42 | ChibaPet | Alright, toddler. BBL. |
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| 20:57.54 | jhutchins | We were not able to find a filesystem outside of Oracle ocfs which would work. This includes the locking provisions in Linux. |
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| 20:58.31 | jhutchins | lampshade: IF the NAS has the internal mechanisms. I believe some do provide that; most do not. |
| 20:59.21 | jhutchins | One of the hardest situations to deal with is simultaneous changes by multiple users to overlapping sections of a file. |
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| 20:59.27 | Th0rsten | jhutchins i didn't help unfortunately |
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| 21:00.23 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: From your pastebin, it appears that the driver you are using does not find compatible hardware. Doublecheck your chipset and make sure you're using the right one. |
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| 21:01.49 | lampshade | jhutchins: Thanks for the info. That's what I expected |
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| 21:04.24 | Th0rsten | jhutchins according to the description i got the right driver |
| 21:04.35 | Th0rsten | is there any confusion with the additional intel graphic? |
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| 21:05.06 | Th0rsten | anything else i could paste to clarify? i don't really have any ideas and already think about a reinstall ;( |
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| 21:08.03 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: Intel? |
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| 21:08.32 | Th0rsten | it is a laptop with intel hd3000 + nvidia gt540M |
| 21:08.37 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: Remove the stuff you installed. delete files it created (look for the blacklist especially). |
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| 21:08.57 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: Yeah, that's special. What do they call that "feature"? |
| 21:09.02 | Th0rsten | optimus |
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| 21:10.29 | jhutchins | !optimus |
| 21:10.29 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:15.01 | DX099 | hello |
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| 21:15.57 | DX099 | how do I disable a user password ? does the "passwd -d user" do the same thing as a "adduser --disabled-password user" ? |
| 21:16.19 | jhutchins | DX099: Consider looking at the manpage for passwd. |
| 21:16.22 | DX099 | I'm trying to set up transmission daemon following their guide but user was already created |
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| 21:17.20 | Th0rsten | apt-get does not find bumblebee which source it should be in? |
| 21:17.26 | DX099 | jhutchins, lock then ? |
| 21:17.38 | jhutchins | DX099: Depends on what you want it to do. |
| 21:17.51 | DX099 | jhutchins, https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/HeadlessUsage/General |
| 21:18.07 | DX099 | I want it to have the same effect as "adduser --disabled-password transmission" |
| 21:18.11 | jhutchins | DX099: There is also the option of setting an invalid shell to allow it to do non-interactive activities. |
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| 21:18.56 | frikinz | usermod -L user ? |
| 21:19.04 | DX099 | jhutchins, well from what I've seen from "cat /etc/passwd", that's already the case |
| 21:19.14 | DX099 | frikinz, -L for locking ? |
| 21:19.25 | jhutchins | I think disabled is the default for most distros. |
| 21:19.36 | frikinz | you might consider looking at the manpage for usermod ;) |
| 21:19.47 | DX099 | I already did that |
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| 21:19.54 | DX099 | but explanations are just too cryptic |
| 21:20.00 | jhutchins | The different options can be confusing. |
| 21:20.14 | jhutchins | DX099: what is the shell set to? |
| 21:20.22 | DX099 | I did looked at locked but didn't quite get what it was doing, so I was unsure |
| 21:20.54 | DX099 | jhutchins, "debian-transmission:x:108:111::/home/debian-transmission:/bin/false |
| 21:20.54 | DX099 | " |
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| 21:21.13 | frikinz | well, as it says, it puts a ! before the hash which is an unexistent hash thus locking the user from login in by pass |
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| 21:21.16 | Th0rsten | is bumblebee a wheezy backport? |
| 21:21.17 | Th0rsten | oO |
| 21:21.35 | jhutchins | DX099: I think the manpage for passwd explains the difference pretty well. |
| 21:21.50 | DX099 | jhutchins, yes, It was clearer there |
| 21:22.31 | jhutchins | DX099: So ok, with '/bin/false/' that user can not log in via SSH or using a password. They can't have an interactive session, but they can execute a non-interactive process. |
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| 21:23.04 | fairway | hi all |
| 21:23.11 | DX099 | jhutchins, It's still prompting me for a password when doing "su debian-transmission -c "some command" " |
| 21:23.22 | fairway | is reverse dns something I have to setup in debian or my DNS provider? |
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| 21:23.35 | fairway | because I cant send email from my debian box because of the DNS issue |
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| 21:28.18 | fairway | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.25 | xkosh | Th0rsten: I had that exact issue about a year ago. The solution involved blacklisting certain driver files that xorg REALLY WANTED to use instead (like their own). |
| 21:33.50 | Th0rsten | where would i find the xorg blacklist? |
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| 21:34.26 | xkosh | You'll have to find the Howto I used, I believe it was written for Ubuntu |
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| 21:36.08 | DX099 | Th0rsten, driver blacklisting works at kernel level |
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| 21:36.47 | riceandbeans | would there be anything bad coming from me making a partition with a very high inode count? |
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| 21:37.01 | xkosh | IIRC, I needed to add a few lines to xorg.conf and manually delete (or move!) one of the stock firmware drivers before compositing would work |
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| 21:37.35 | DX099 | S.O. corrects me if I'm right but I'm confident that it's the modprobe tool that is handling those manoevers |
| 21:37.54 | moof2_ | riceandbeans, the number of inodes is the number of separate storages for files |
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| 21:38.16 | xkosh | there was a 'blacklist = xxxxxxx' property (or something like it) in an xorg configuration file, i dont mean kernel blacklisting |
| 21:38.23 | DX099 | xkosh, you can specify which driver you want to use within xorg.conf, but certainly not blacklist |
| 21:38.43 | DX099 | xkosh, then I'm wrong and not aware of that option |
| 21:38.48 | moof2_ | DX099, and good chance modprobe reads the blacklists, forgot exactly how it works tho |
| 21:39.01 | riceandbeans | moof2_: I know what an inode is, that is not the question |
| 21:39.03 | xkosh | youll have to find the writeup, i dont remember the details |
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| 21:39.33 | riceandbeans | moof2_: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 vs mkfs.ext4 -N 50802189 /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:39.37 | xkosh | im sure it was a Ubuntu user, i remember that, if it helps |
| 21:39.51 | riceandbeans | the second will give you (on a small partition) over 150x the inode count |
| 21:39.52 | DX099 | moof2, If I recall correctly : modproble reads whatever is in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 21:40.06 | riceandbeans | moof2_: my question is, will there be any negative consequence to a high inode count |
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| 21:40.31 | xkosh | but i do remember having to actually remove a driver file from xorg's reach |
| 21:40.33 | moof2_ | the thing is this is tuning the fs to your preferences |
| 21:40.34 | DX099 | by placing a whateverdriver-blacklist.conf containing "blacklist modulename", it will be blacklister at next reboot |
| 21:40.49 | moof2_ | how many files/inodes do you want? |
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| 21:41.00 | xkosh | find that article/post |
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| 21:41.18 | jhutchins | DX099: Perhaps we are not clear on the difference between kernel modules (sometimes called divers) and Xorg hardware modules (also referred to as drivers). |
| 21:41.29 | xkosh | indeed |
| 21:41.38 | jhutchins | DX099: Some hardware such as Intel and Nvidia use both. |
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| 21:41.59 | moof2_ | "negative impact" is about as specific as "doesn't work", so I would have to ask what you mean by that |
| 21:42.08 | riceandbeans | moof2_: the ability to get hit with a flood on a mail server and be able to withstand the load of massive emails to later be filtered without crushing the mail server immediately |
| 21:42.33 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: How many users? |
| 21:42.41 | moof2_ | ok, so do you have separate partitions? if so what are they? |
| 21:42.43 | DX099 | jhutchins, you mean a hardware module would be the mesa-gl thing and then a driver would be nouveau ? |
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| 21:43.05 | moof2_ | the one you'd be concerned about is /var |
| 21:44.11 | jhutchins | DX099: I mean there's a kernel module and an xorg module, and blacklisting a module in /etc/mod* only affects kernel modules. I don't know what the process is for xorg, I've never dealt with it. |
| 21:44.32 | DX099 | jhutchins, ok |
| 21:44.33 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: it's not a host, it's a relay, it's only for outbound |
| 21:45.03 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: So a relay for how many internal users/accounts? |
| 21:45.36 | moof2_ | well these are semantics... if it's connected to the net it's a host as well |
| 21:46.20 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: handling cron/printer/syslog and webapp and other things to external smtp hosts for several hundred systems |
| 21:46.36 | riceandbeans | running an 1GB RAM and had 320k inodes |
| 21:46.40 | jhutchins | DX099: IIUC, the proprietary Nvidia modules provide both, and you must blacklist the free kernel module to prevent it from loading. |
| 21:46.53 | riceandbeans | ran out of inodes on friday from a rogue cron script someone had |
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| 21:47.31 | moof2_ | riceandbeans, what do you mean by "negative impact"? |
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| 21:47.57 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: Nothing can protect you from idiots with shell access. |
| 21:48.09 | Rikairchy | you can protect yourself |
| 21:48.14 | Rikairchy | don't give them shell access :P |
| 21:48.20 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: running quota can help. |
| 21:48.34 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: isn't quota for when mail is hosted locally? |
| 21:48.53 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: quota allocates local filesystem space per user. |
| 21:49.08 | moof2_ | quota is much more general than just one use case |
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| 21:49.22 | DX099 | jhutchins, yes that's the case I had in mind |
| 21:49.32 | jhutchins | took down a server once because they had infinite versioning and he was writing a new file to the system every 15 minutes. |
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| 21:50.41 | DX099 | jhutchins, why is it troublesome ? high I/O on disk ? high CPU time ? |
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| 21:51.24 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: this isn't local users though, this is daemons and devices sending mail through my relay server |
| 21:51.38 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: there are only system users on the server i'm working with |
| 21:52.37 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: The cron job was external? |
| 21:52.47 | moof2_ | so a system user used up the inodes by running a cron job? |
| 21:53.09 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: yes |
| 21:53.29 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: there are hundreds of servers here that send their mail to this system, which sends it out to external SMTP servers |
| 21:53.48 | moof2_ | do you know exactly how the cron job created one more file? |
| 21:53.58 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: like 40 systems here had that same cron script and sent tens of thousands of emails to my server |
| 21:54.04 | riceandbeans | my server tried to mail it to google |
| 21:54.12 | riceandbeans | google won't allow more than 50/min |
| 21:54.16 | riceandbeans | google throw emails back |
| 21:54.24 | riceandbeans | my server kept them in queue in spool |
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| 21:54.34 | riceandbeans | my server continued to receive more emails |
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| 21:54.47 | riceandbeans | inode count went up exponentially |
| 21:55.04 | riceandbeans | inode count maxed out, my server stopped accepting new mail for anyone |
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| 21:55.13 | goose | I'm having an issue running apt-get upgrade, but I'm not sure what exactly the issue is. could someone point me in the right direction? https://captain-kickass.net/p/90 |
| 21:55.20 | moof2_ | the normal use case for when a cron job emails, is there would exist textual output, which gets emailed to the user |
| 21:56.10 | juryben | why doesnt ubuntu respect my freedoms? |
| 21:56.19 | riceandbeans | moof2_: some cron jobs have the sole purpose of gathering information to email, but either way, this is irrelevant |
| 21:56.29 | riceandbeans | moof2_: the users do not exist on the mail server |
| 21:56.34 | riceandbeans | the exist on external servers |
| 21:56.37 | riceandbeans | it's relaying |
| 21:56.37 | moof2_ | and, increasing the inode count will temporarily help, but it's not a solution to the overall problem |
| 21:56.45 | riceandbeans | the final destinations were rejecting from rate |
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| 21:56.58 | riceandbeans | moof2_: I know it will help temporarily |
| 21:57.20 | riceandbeans | moof2_: my only question was, will there be ANY negative impact filesystem wise by raising the inode count to as high as I can |
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| 21:57.41 | riceandbeans | well then I had questions of quota because of jhutchins mentioning it |
| 21:58.39 | moof2_ | well if you fill the drive/partition with inodes, wouldn't that limit the actual storage? |
| 21:59.14 | riceandbeans | this is a partition exclusively for the spool |
| 22:00.02 | moof2_ | if it's 100% inodes, that leaves 0% for other purposes, such as storage for the actual file data (I'm not sure if mkfs.ext4 would let you do that) |
| 22:00.40 | moof2_ | so then, that partition would only be touched by the mail server on that machine? (the relay) |
| 22:01.34 | moof2_ | if that's the case, then at some level it's the mail server allocating files on that filesystem |
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| 22:02.36 | moof2_ | correct me if I'm wriong, but there is no MDA on that machine? it's all MTA functionality? |
| 22:02.46 | riceandbeans | yeah |
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| 22:04.27 | moof2_ | so if you were to max out the inodes on a filesystem you intend to replace the spool dir with, (1) how many inodes do you get, (2) how much storage does that take up on the drive (and what percentage of the whole partition is that), and how much space remains for files? |
| 22:04.47 | moof2_ | (and what percentage of the partn is that) |
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| 22:14.12 | rainfyre | goose: did you get that figured out? |
| 22:14.22 | goose | rainfyre: no, not yet |
| 22:14.24 | goose | got any ideas? |
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| 22:14.56 | rainfyre | goose: did you paste a link with the error? |
| 22:15.21 | riceandbeans | goose: what is the issue/ |
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| 22:17.15 | goose | rainfyre: https://captain-kickass.net/p/90 |
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| 22:17.39 | goose | riceandbeans: apt-get upgrade doesn't work, with some dpkg error. never seen it before, and not sure where to look to get ideas about fixing it |
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| 22:18.59 | tensorpudding | It looks like some process has locked the db, are you running another instance of dpkg somewhere? |
| 22:19.10 | goose | I'm not, no. |
| 22:19.22 | tensorpudding | Wait, nevermind, it's debconf. |
| 22:19.36 | goose | How to fix? |
| 22:19.41 | tensorpudding | Well, if it's locked, you can figure out what process has the file open using lsof, I think. |
| 22:19.49 | riceandbeans | lsof that file |
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| 22:20.02 | riceandbeans | then kill that pid |
| 22:20.11 | riceandbeans | then apt-get -f install |
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| 22:20.18 | goose | alright, let me try that |
| 22:21.06 | tensorpudding | Figuring out what process has locked that file would help. |
| 22:21.11 | passstab | hi how do i detect printers attached to my computer? |
| 22:21.13 | tensorpudding | I don't remember if lsof is installed on the system though. |
| 22:21.18 | goose | ha HA! |
| 22:21.20 | goose | that fixed it |
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| 22:22.42 | goose | thank you riceandbeans |
| 22:22.52 | passstab | i connected it via usb |
| 22:22.56 | riceandbeans | all in a days work |
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| 22:34.11 | hub2 | Hi, Is there a way to limit physical memory used by process? |
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| 22:39.58 | schultza | how do i use /lib/lsb/init-functions to log a program/script's output to another file (/var/log/program.log rather than /var/log/messages|user.log)? |
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| 22:41.31 | SmashingX | hi guys I was wondering which is the command that uses the output of a command to concatenate it with a text file |
| 22:41.49 | SmashingX | for example, what I want to do is to add the date command at the end of a text file |
| 22:42.01 | schultza | date >> file |
| 22:42.02 | SmashingX | so I was doing date | cat <file> |
| 22:42.05 | Rikairchy | /path/to/program arguement >> file |
| 22:42.05 | SmashingX | ohh |
| 22:42.28 | schultza | make sure it's double > as the single will rewrite the whole file |
| 22:42.36 | DX099 | hello, how exactly is working transmission-daemon in Debian ? It won't look at the config files stored in user home directory but rather in /var/config... . I even set "TRANSMISSION_HOME="/var/config/transmission-daemon"" line in init script and I don't see a change... |
| 22:42.46 | SmashingX | oh thanks |
| 22:42.50 | SmashingX | I thought it was cat |
| 22:42.51 | SmashingX | :( |
| 22:42.58 | SmashingX | so now I don't know what cat was for :( |
| 22:43.20 | DX099 | well I changed TRANSMISSION_HOME to "/home/debian/transmission/.config/transmission-daemon/" |
| 22:43.55 | schultza | !cat |
| 22:43.55 | dpkg | somebody said cat was a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>. |
| 22:45.05 | riceandbeans | SmashingX: not a command but an operator |
| 22:45.17 | SmashingX | riceandbeans: cat? |
| 22:45.20 | SmashingX | cat is a command |
| 22:45.34 | riceandbeans | but yeah, << accept input from, > overwrite to, >> append to |
| 22:45.58 | riceandbeans | no the << > >> |
| 22:45.58 | riceandbeans | those are not commands |
| 22:46.00 | riceandbeans | those are operators |
| 22:46.01 | SmashingX | oh yeah |
| 22:46.05 | SmashingX | I was talking abourt cat |
| 22:46.12 | schultza | cat is a program. |
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| 22:46.21 | riceandbeans | cat does not concatenate thouh |
| 22:46.33 | SmashingX | man cat says concatenate files |
| 22:46.33 | riceandbeans | cat dumps the contents of the file |
| 22:46.34 | SmashingX | though |
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| 22:46.39 | Nik05 | not? |
| 22:46.49 | Nik05 | cat foo bar |
| 22:46.58 | riceandbeans | if you can use cat to concatenate that's news to me |
| 22:46.59 | Nik05 | and its concatenates them |
| 22:47.04 | schultza | cat dumps contents of files to standard output. similiar to more, but without paging |
| 22:47.06 | riceandbeans | Nik05: really? |
| 22:47.07 | james41382 | If I want to setup a multiboot computer with windows, kali and debian I think I should install windows first, then kali and finally debian. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? |
| 22:47.31 | riceandbeans | james41382: why the hell would you install those three? |
| 22:47.38 | SmashingX | hahaha something new for you riceandbeans |
| 22:47.38 | james41382 | Why not? |
| 22:48.01 | riceandbeans | I'm not even going to argue the merit of windows at this point but kali is a heavily modified debian |
| 22:48.16 | riceandbeans | why not run kali or debian |
| 22:48.25 | riceandbeans | anything you can do in kali you can do in debian |
| 22:48.35 | riceandbeans | it's just built out of the box more for it's suite |
| 22:48.50 | riceandbeans | ie, those packages are installed and the repos have more tools like that |
| 22:49.07 | SmashingX | that's true, if foo and bar are text files, cat concatenates them |
| 22:49.22 | SmashingX | cat foo bar |
| 22:49.33 | james41382 | riceandbeans: I am inexperienced with linux. I realize that Kali is a modified version of Debian. |
| 22:49.36 | SmashingX | but I think in this case would be like echo those files |
| 22:49.43 | mawe | i am running software raid 1 and just had a disk replaced, /proc/mdstat shows http://paste.debian.net/15083/, i would like to rejoin my raid but i can't remove md124,md125 because it says Device or resource busy. |
| 22:49.53 | SmashingX | not dumping the two files in a text fiel |
| 22:49.54 | SmashingX | file |
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| 22:50.34 | james41382 | riceandbeans: I am probably not capable of modifying a linux installation the way that the people who developed Kali have so I'll install both. |
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| 22:51.22 | riceandbeans | james41382: then why not simply use kali |
| 22:51.33 | riceandbeans | and not triple with debian as well |
| 22:51.40 | riceandbeans | waste of resources |
| 22:51.55 | james41382 | riceandbeans: The hard drive is pretty big I am not worried about the space. |
| 22:51.56 | riceandbeans | just make sure you make new users and do some separation |
| 22:52.09 | riceandbeans | yeah but you have to reboot to get into debian to do whatever |
| 22:52.20 | riceandbeans | I just fail to see the point |
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| 22:53.13 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: I'd like to see a debian gnu/kdragonflybsd come out... |
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| 22:54.19 | james41382 | i have read that debian is really stable and i installed ubuntu a while ago, but it crashes a here and there. so i wanted to switch to debian, but i also wanted to use a penetration testing distro as well and i read that backtrack was popular, but then those people wanted to switch to a debian based os. this furthered my thought that perhaps debian is a better way to go. |
| 22:54.50 | tensorpudding | You can run penetration testing tools on any distro, you know. |
| 22:55.16 | riceandbeans | tensorpudding: he knows, just doesn't want to deal with tweaking debian to make it more kali like |
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| 22:55.38 | james41382 | riceandbeans: not that i don't want to, but more than i don't feel capable at this point. |
| 22:56.01 | james41382 | i mean i'm okay getting around in linux, but that's it. just okay. |
| 22:56.17 | riceandbeans | you want to run a pen testing distro but you don't want to learn? |
| 22:56.44 | james41382 | i guess you have a good point and i do want to learn. |
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| 22:58.16 | james41382 | maybe i should install just debian... hmmm. |
| 22:59.06 | riceandbeans | just keep in mind, kali is not debian stable |
| 22:59.29 | james41382 | riceandbeans: that's another reason why i wanted to install both. |
| 22:59.32 | riceandbeans | the stability you're expecting from debian might not be entirely there if you go with kali |
| 23:00.05 | riceandbeans | but if you want the current things that kali has, and you want to learn, and you're ok with less stability but for features, I'd recommend sid |
| 23:00.13 | riceandbeans | expect things to break from time to time |
| 23:00.28 | riceandbeans | but you will have newer stuff |
| 23:00.37 | james41382 | i don't like it when things break. |
| 23:00.44 | james41382 | what do you mean by newer stuff? |
| 23:00.57 | riceandbeans | compare debian stable versions to debian sid versions |
| 23:01.10 | riceandbeans | they've gotten A LOT better lately, but stable used to really really lag |
| 23:01.23 | riceandbeans | I used to run stable at work and sid at home always |
| 23:01.41 | riceandbeans | stable used to be old |
| 23:01.54 | riceandbeans | now it's almost relevant in today's computing |
| 23:02.08 | james41382 | I still don't comprehend what you're saying. |
| 23:02.18 | riceandbeans | ok....let me put it this way |
| 23:02.30 | james41382 | I read that Debian releases stable version less often than some other distrobutions. |
| 23:02.44 | riceandbeans | debian stable has tons of packages |
| 23:02.54 | james41382 | Okay.. |
| 23:02.55 | riceandbeans | they tend to be more stable and mature, but older than others |
| 23:03.04 | riceandbeans | sid is a lot newer |
| 23:03.08 | riceandbeans | less tested |
| 23:03.13 | riceandbeans | less stable |
| 23:03.17 | riceandbeans | less mature |
| 23:03.20 | riceandbeans | but newer |
| 23:03.33 | riceandbeans | you might be 5 or so versions behind in stable |
| 23:03.43 | riceandbeans | sid might be on the same version |
| 23:03.53 | riceandbeans | I mean as the developer |
| 23:03.55 | riceandbeans | so |
| 23:04.07 | riceandbeans | it's not always that big but it can be |
| 23:04.22 | riceandbeans | with pen testing you will likely want current things |
| 23:04.35 | riceandbeans | but keeping in mind old exploits |
| 23:04.37 | riceandbeans | especially java |
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| 23:04.53 | riceandbeans | people treat java like that stupid infomercial, set it and forget it, and no one patches their java |
| 23:05.03 | riceandbeans | anyway |
| 23:05.05 | riceandbeans | do what you want |
| 23:05.11 | james41382 | again coming back to my original thought process about running kali and debian |
| 23:05.13 | riceandbeans | I'm running stable right now |
| 23:05.30 | james41382 | kali being less stable, but having the latest stuff |
| 23:05.44 | james41382 | and debian being stable, but having slightly older stuff |
| 23:06.30 | amphi | james41382: you could run the testing branch of debian |
| 23:06.38 | james41382 | when i say debian of course i'm referring to wheezy |
| 23:06.53 | james41382 | it's like i want the best of both you know... |
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| 23:07.23 | james41382 | a version i can boot into that is solid as well as a version i can boot into that is geared toward pen testing. |
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| 23:08.31 | james41382 | is that crazy? |
| 23:08.43 | james41382 | it made sense in my head... lol |
| 23:08.57 | james41382 | maybe three os' on one computer is too much. |
| 23:09.03 | riceandbeans | amphi: testing has its own issues |
| 23:09.16 | amphi | it certainly does |
| 23:09.18 | riceandbeans | amphi: like potential long time periods before a stable patch |
| 23:09.25 | riceandbeans | I'd feel safer with sid |
| 23:09.35 | riceandbeans | at least if sid breaks it's fixed in a day or two |
| 23:09.44 | james41382 | sid is a development version? |
| 23:09.51 | james41382 | wheezy is stable? |
| 23:09.54 | riceandbeans | if testing breaks it can take a month or two because it has to sit in sid for two weeks |
| 23:10.00 | riceandbeans | james41382: yes |
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| 23:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, note that the definition of "stable" in the context of Debian isn't necessarily what you might expect it to be... stable doesn't mean it's bug-free... but it means no new versions come in for the lifetime of the stable release, but bugfix/security patches are the only changes that happen. so if you fix whatever bug you encounter, it stays fixed... that's "stable" |
| 23:11.40 | james41382 | cutmeownthroat: versus another method would be? |
| 23:12.05 | amphi | !tell james41382 about sid |
| 23:12.13 | james41382 | cutmeownthroat: err... is there a way other distrobutions handle that? |
| 23:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, "another method"? |
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| 23:12.50 | riceandbeans | fedora puts out all kinds of worthless crap if you want to use that? |
| 23:12.57 | riceandbeans | some of it works, some doesn't |
| 23:12.58 | riceandbeans | it's newer |
| 23:13.17 | riceandbeans | but it's redhat based and not worth the plastic their DVDs are burned on |
| 23:13.27 | riceandbeans | my fedora DVD from Puppetconf is used as a coaster at my office |
| 23:13.31 | kwame | hi, does anybody know why there is no etterap package in debian stable? |
| 23:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, sure... ubuntu or redhat or clones all have one or other type of "long term release"... debian doesn't have that... so you have a stable release for typically ~3 years + 1 year after next release |
| 23:13.51 | riceandbeans | because it's called ettercap not etterap |
| 23:14.09 | kwame | riceandbeans: typo, in any event, do you know? |
| 23:14.22 | riceandbeans | it used to be |
| 23:14.43 | riceandbeans | it might've been removed due to refusal to accept new license information like has happened to some pen testing things |
| 23:14.52 | kwame | oh my |
| 23:14.59 | kwame | that's what it's anoying about debian |
| 23:15.01 | kwame | mmmhhh |
| 23:15.10 | kwame | https://launchpad.net/debian/wheezy/+source/ettercap |
| 23:15.14 | riceandbeans | kwame: sometimes debian says hey we have a new update to the DFSG everyone accept |
| 23:15.19 | riceandbeans | and if you don't accept you get pulled |
| 23:15.28 | riceandbeans | sometimes maintainers have lives |
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| 23:15.32 | riceandbeans | it happens |
| 23:15.51 | zaltekk | you could always try to build it yourself |
| 23:16.06 | james41382 | so debian release a stable version every year and each stable version is maintained for 3 years? |
| 23:16.20 | zaltekk | james41382: it's closer to two years, and there isn't a set timeframe |
| 23:16.21 | riceandbeans | or just run sid |
| 23:16.48 | kwame | zaltekk: ya, but debian always brags that it has the largerst collection of built packages |
| 23:16.48 | riceandbeans | james41382: stable comes out when it's ready, it's supported until 1 year after the next stable release |
| 23:16.57 | riceandbeans | kwame: it does |
| 23:17.03 | zaltekk | kwame: because it does by a long shot |
| 23:17.05 | riceandbeans | 55 DVD for christ's sake |
| 23:17.06 | james41382 | riceandbeans: thanks for the clarification |
| 23:17.24 | kwame | zaltekk: that's true |
| 23:17.28 | riceandbeans | so squeeze is supported till july 2014 or something |
| 23:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, no. debian releases a stable version roughly every 3 years, although there is really no fixed time span... the point is more to reach most of the release goals that were set for the next release |
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| 23:17.47 | riceandbeans | CutMeOwnThroat: like I said, when it's ready |
| 23:18.20 | james41382 | so if you install sid it's always just sid.. in other words it's just constantly improved? |
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| 23:18.42 | zaltekk | james41382: updated...sometimes with regressions |
| 23:18.49 | zaltekk | things may break |
| 23:18.51 | james41382 | regressions? |
| 23:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, s/constantly improved/always buggy/ |
| 23:18.54 | zaltekk | though it doesn't usually happen |
| 23:19.07 | zaltekk | and you mostly have to fix it yourself |
| 23:19.22 | james41382 | i don't know how capable i am of fixing anything myself. lol. |
| 23:19.59 | zaltekk | then you probably don't want to use sid |
| 23:20.08 | zaltekk | unless you are up for the learning experience |
| 23:20.32 | james41382 | well i work full time and go to school 3/4 time so i don't have much free time during the school year |
| 23:20.47 | james41382 | i'm just doing this now because it's summer and i have free time while schools on break |
| 23:21.02 | zaltekk | learn a lot before school starts back :P |
| 23:21.05 | james41382 | but as i move towards computer science i wanted to install a version of linux and familiar myself with it |
| 23:21.09 | amphi | james41382: current stable is quite new; you could go with that, and then upgrade to testing/sid later, if you felt like it |
| 23:21.34 | james41382 | but running windows, wheezy and kali is a bad idea? |
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| 23:22.57 | riceandbeans | I wouldn't say it's bad, just unnecessary |
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| 23:23.03 | riex | Somebody that can tell me which kind of packet this here is: "IP 116.9.61.167.snmp > myip: [len1468<asnlen8182]"? |
| 23:23.12 | zaltekk | snmp |
| 23:23.12 | mtn | james41382: you can do that if you want to |
| 23:23.21 | amphi | zaltekk: heh |
| 23:23.28 | tensorpudding | There's difficulty in setting up and running triple-booting. |
| 23:23.33 | zaltekk | riex: simple network management protocol |
| 23:23.36 | zaltekk | or is it mapping? |
| 23:23.38 | james41382 | nework management protocol? |
| 23:23.40 | riceandbeans | james41382: stable was just released so it is recent at the moment |
| 23:23.47 | riex | Yeah I'm using tcpdump ;> |
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| 23:23.59 | zaltekk | it's how networking equipment can be probed |
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| 23:24.14 | riceandbeans | snmp, like for nagios or cacti |
| 23:24.23 | riceandbeans | it's a lot more than just networking equipment |
| 23:24.26 | riex | Well, I got some ddos attacks, from a lot of IP addresses. |
| 23:24.30 | riex | that's looks like these here |
| 23:24.30 | riceandbeans | it's most all equipment |
| 23:24.33 | riex | IP 116.9.61.167.snmp > myip: [len1468<asnlen8182] |
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| 23:24.56 | riceandbeans | so you want to go after the person who had that IP? |
| 23:24.57 | riex | I've tried to block it with iptables, but i dosen't seems to work, somebody knows a fix? ;> |
| 23:25.00 | riex | noo |
| 23:25.08 | riex | I've used |
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| 23:25.14 | riceandbeans | anybody worth a damn is going to spoof and use proxies |
| 23:25.19 | riex | yeah that's the problem |
| 23:25.22 | riex | but it is possible to block it |
| 23:25.24 | riex | with iptables ;> |
| 23:25.37 | riceandbeans | snmp is on UDP |
| 23:25.38 | zaltekk | you shouldn't have snmp coming from an external network |
| 23:25.43 | riceandbeans | and that too |
| 23:25.44 | riex | weird |
| 23:25.50 | riex | I've used these commands |
| 23:25.56 | riex | iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport porthere -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 5/second --limit-burst 5 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:25.57 | riceandbeans | so if you're doing IPTables, make sure you're stopping UDP |
| 23:26.00 | amphi | riex: it's just some chinese guy, don't worry about it ;) |
| 23:26.00 | zaltekk | just drop all incoming snmp requests at the border |
| 23:26.04 | riex | iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport port -m state --state NEW -j DROP |
| 23:26.06 | riex | dosen't work |
| 23:26.11 | riex | only one small attacks |
| 23:26.13 | riex | on* |
| 23:26.37 | riex | amphi: Well. I'll need to block it out from the direct port, somebody knows how ? :> |
| 23:28.06 | riex | should be able with iptables, but not with the another command I've used, nobody here knows a little bit about iptables? ;P |
| 23:28.20 | amphi | riex: ideally, you would have policy set to DROP, and enable only what you want, IMHO |
| 23:28.43 | riex | amphi: how ? ;> |
| 23:29.01 | james41382 | You all were very informative. Thanks for all the help. =] |
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| 23:30.14 | amphi | riex: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables may be of use |
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| 23:31.37 | riex | amphi: already checked =D |
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| 23:48.08 | jonkri | i installed exim4-base, ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-base, and restarted exim, but "telnet localhost 25" results in a connection refused and /var/log/exim4 is empty. any advice would be appreciated :) |
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