| 00:00.10 | Qais | Hi all wanting to dev personal gui programs on linux, being intellectually honest, is there a clear leading/most popular ide? Or is it again simply a matter of preference. Looking between QT, GTK++, Mono, WxWidget. I appreciate any info / direction. |
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| 00:01.29 | abrotman | those are IDEs, those are toolkits |
| 00:02.09 | abrotman | an IDE is for a GUI app is something like Gazpacho (for GTK-ish apps), I'm sure Wx and Qt have something similar |
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| 00:03.00 | abrotman | or Glade for GTK |
| 00:03.05 | Qais | Like eclipse? So what I mentioned are toolkits? hmm |
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| 00:03.19 | Qais | Thank you for the info abrotman. |
| 00:06.17 | Qais | I am from a web development background, getting into desktop development out of personal interest. |
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| 00:09.37 | abrotman | Qais: there's also a difference between a normal IDE and a GUI designer I suppose |
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| 00:13.13 | ByteTripper | I HATE NVIDIA. |
| 00:13.29 | ByteTripper | I install their driver, and now my system is renedered unbootable. |
| 00:13.37 | ByteTripper | There's just no winning with their videocards. |
| 00:13.53 | ByteTripper | Firs arch, then xubuntu, now debian. |
| 00:14.15 | ByteTripper | does anyone know how to fix a system that hangs at waiting for /dev to be fully populated? |
| 00:14.55 | frostschutz | ByteTripper, chroot, uninstall driver |
| 00:14.57 | somiaj | is it common for modern webbrowsers to ignore the /etc/hosts file....grr, it is very annoying. |
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| 00:15.22 | ByteTripper | frostschutz: That's the issue, I can't exactly chroot on it right now. |
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| 00:15.42 | frostschutz | ByteTripper, sounds like a pebcak issue |
| 00:16.00 | ByteTripper | frostschutz: why are all the nvidia drivers POS?! |
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| 00:17.05 | ByteTripper | nvidia taints kernel... |
| 00:17.12 | ByteTripper | I like how linux puts it. |
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| 00:17.44 | ByteTripper | Fuck it. |
| 00:17.47 | ByteTripper | I'm going back to windows |
| 00:17.53 | Th0masR0ss | runs |
| 00:17.54 | ByteTripper | Atleast the nvidia drivers aren't as bad there. |
| 00:18.31 | Bomfunk | Perfectly working nvidia in linux for several years here. |
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| 00:19.06 | ByteTripper | I don't see how the nvidia driver is compiled for your system ebfore it's installed |
| 00:19.19 | ByteTripper | and yet no one has bothered to grap the source and use it to build a propper driver. |
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| 01:18.14 | nutron | I need to add mkhomedir via pam, where do I do this now? /etc/pam.d/common-session ? or /etc/pam.d/login? Seems that common-session is run by interactive and non-interactive shells. So my gut says put the call in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 01:18.20 | nutron | Is this correct? |
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| 01:22.00 | abrotman | do you understand the difference between interactive and non-interactive? |
| 01:22.17 | nutron | I think I do. But I |
| 01:22.40 | nutron | m guessing that I don't simply due to the fact that you're asking =) |
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| 01:24.26 | nutron | System users mainly, though I'd never imagine that they'd ever want to login. |
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| 01:30.48 | debbix | what file should i modify in order to connect through a socks5 proxy ? |
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| 01:36.37 | abrotman | nutron: AIUI, login means something like ssh or terminal login, non-login would be like xterm, etc |
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| 01:37.00 | sideup66 | hey room, does anyone have any experience tonight with setting up an sftp server? I have just setup ssh on my debian home server box and configured it to be web-facing, however I would ideally like to add sftp as a simple way to transfer files between the server and my client machines, this is over web so ideas such as samba are out |
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| 01:37.43 | sideup66 | I have found many guides on the internet but just feel overwhelmed, and well, not quite sure where to start |
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| 01:39.41 | abrotman | sideup66: clients are windows? |
| 01:39.54 | sideup66 | normally, yes |
| 01:40.16 | sideup66 | possibly a random mac or two but will be windows or mobile device (android and ios) |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | right, but you can use filezilla on windows, use "ftp over ssh", it should work with what you have now |
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| 01:41.39 | sideup66 | I see, that is my plan, will abrotman handle the keys automatically and add them in a friendly manner like putty does? |
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| 01:42.23 | abrotman | it shuld, yes . i think it will ask you to approve them once or permenently, haven't used windows filezilla in a few years |
| 01:42.53 | sideup66 | ok abrotman, now how would I go about enabling all of this serverside, openssh is already loaded up and running |
| 01:43.22 | abrotman | shuld already be done .. |
| 01:43.24 | sideup66 | right now filezilla portable on my win7 box reports that the connection is refused |
| 01:43.37 | sideup66 | if I attempt to connect, unless somthing is missing... |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | sideup66: can you ssh from the win7 box ? |
| 01:43.48 | sideup66 | abrotman: through putty, yes |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | sideup66: when you setup the connection, what optoins are you choosing for the connection |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:44.39 | sideup66 | abrotman: I didnt set anything, I thought filezilla would see it automatically |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | it's probably doing ftp by deafult .. you have to choose ftp over ssh |
| 01:45.05 | sideup66 | let me see... |
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| 01:46.14 | debbix | any answer to my Q ? Where do edit my connection to connect through socks5. I mean which file can i edit, i know how to do with GUI. |
| 01:47.08 | sideup66 | now its working (duh!) |
| 01:47.18 | sideup66 | sorry for the simple question |
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| 01:47.27 | abrotman | it's okay .. it's not the most obvious option when you connect |
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| 01:48.01 | sideup66 | if you click to add a site, it will let you set those options, looks like for users ill have to configure all of that the first time |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | sideup66: or send them a nice document on how :) |
| 01:49.23 | debbix | sideup66: or send them the config file generated after you configure filezilla files. |
| 01:50.37 | sideup66 | good call abrotman, the people I have using it arent tech-savvy per se so itll take some coaching to teach, all I need now is apache once this is up to keep people from messing with the router |
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| 01:51.01 | abrotman | say what? |
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| 01:51.42 | sideup66 | abrotman: well my debian box is behind my router, which is acting as its firewall (i dont care if everything is open behind the wan side of the router) |
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| 01:51.46 | debbix | tor |
| 01:51.52 | nell | [nell(i)] |
| 01:51.52 | debbix | oops |
| 01:51.54 | nell | ops |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | sideup66: ah okay |
| 01:52.11 | nell | http://i.imgur.com/GHzCcpq.png |
| 01:52.14 | nell | How do I stop this? |
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| 01:52.23 | abrotman | doh. |
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| 01:52.33 | abrotman | assumed spam :( |
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| 01:53.06 | abrotman | nell: which OS is this? |
| 01:53.10 | nell | debian |
| 01:53.13 | sideup66 | so to add stuff to the domain Im forwarding my services with port forwarding to the router, but right now if one were to type in the web address to access the box its giving the login dialog to the router, Id rather people not monkey with the router ;) |
| 01:53.21 | nell | well kali |
| 01:53.27 | nell | which is debian. |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | nell: this channel is for Debian support |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | no, if kali were Debian, it would be called Debian |
| 01:53.43 | nell | Alright dude |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | nell: use #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net, or possibly try ##linux |
| 01:54.00 | nell | You guys are still my brethren, farewell |
| 01:54.03 | nell | o/ |
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| 01:54.11 | zinx | abrotman: too much reason |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | it seems to have overpowered them? :) |
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| 02:15.19 | nutron | abrotman: yeah, kinda figured that too, though it seemed confusing that common-session said that all modules would run for all interactive and non-interactive sessions... then there's a file called common-session-non-interactive which states that these are specifically for non-interactive only. Turns out adding it to common-session is the way to do it. |
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| 02:15.43 | robert5 | What does entering disabled state mean? http://pastebin.com/k5gsRAGr When the UPS switched to on battery mode it took out the network? How do I stop this? |
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| 02:17.08 | sideup66 | another silly question, does anyone know how you would go about restricting users to specific directories? |
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| 02:17.25 | sideup66 | as in they can only access their own, a media directory, etc |
| 02:17.27 | wolfmitchell | How would I configure xdg-open to let deluge handle magnet links? |
| 02:17.35 | sideup66 | but not be capable of wandering around the os |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | sideup66: chroot is the general term |
| 02:18.51 | sideup66 | abrotman: thanks, so im looking for somthing known as chroot to limit directory access? |
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| 02:22.14 | abrotman | sideup66: what are these uses uploading ? |
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| 02:25.36 | abrotman | sideup66: ? |
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| 02:26.00 | dvs | *users |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | implied! |
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| 02:32.56 | sideup66 | abrotman: sorry wasnt paying attention for a minute |
| 02:34.02 | sideup66 | depends, nothing too serious, their just my local users accessing their shares over the web and well maybe sending recieving personal stuff |
| 02:34.08 | sideup66 | can vary, somtimes picture or video files |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | would LXC be too complicated? |
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| 02:37.29 | pclov3r | I had isssues with grub installing during the installer to my /dev/sdc disk. |
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| 02:37.52 | pclov3r | Using a 3rd party tool I was able to install grub but it didin't really work so the quesiton is what I should I do this time around. |
| 02:38.20 | pclov3r | Looking at it Debian wasn't installing grub to my /dev/sdc disk even tho it said it was. |
| 02:38.37 | pclov3r | I confirmed that by doing a DD hexdump of the bootsector |
| 02:39.23 | juryben | how is ati supported on ubunut but no debian |
| 02:39.24 | juryben | wtf |
| 02:40.15 | pclov3r | It should be? |
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| 02:42.25 | pclov3r | I got an idea which I'll try later and i'll let you know :) |
| 02:42.43 | juryben | ubuntu is debian based |
| 02:42.49 | juryben | how does ati not support it |
| 02:43.15 | pclov3r | juryben, What issues are you having? |
| 02:43.27 | juryben | cant install ati drivers |
| 02:44.00 | pclov3r | How are you doing it? |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | juryben: ask AMD, not us |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | !tell juryben about fglrx |
| 02:44.14 | juryben | ive done everything |
| 02:44.25 | pclov3r | Are you doing it manaully or using the debian supplied ones? |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | except follow the Debian instructions? |
| 02:44.29 | Vicissitude | !tell Vicissitude about fglrx |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Vicissitude about selftell |
| 02:44.51 | juryben | http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-6LINBetaDriver.aspx |
| 02:44.57 | juryben | The AMD Catalyst™ 13.6 Beta Driver for Linux is designed to support the following Linux distributions: |
| 02:44.57 | juryben | Red Hat Enterprise Linux Suite 6.3 and 6.4 |
| 02:44.57 | juryben | SUSE® Linux Enterprise 11 SP2 |
| 02:44.57 | juryben | OpenSUSE 11.4 and 12.1 |
| 02:44.57 | juryben | Ubuntu 13.04 |
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| 02:45.02 | abrotman | brilliant |
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| 02:45.12 | juryben | The AMD Catalyst™ 13.6 Beta Driver for Linux is designed to support the following Linux distributions: |
| 02:45.12 | juryben | Red Hat Enterprise Linux Suite 6.3 and 6.4 |
| 02:45.12 | juryben | SUSE® Linux Enterprise 11 SP2 |
| 02:45.12 | juryben | OpenSUSE 11.4 and 12.1 |
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| 02:45.15 | pclov3r | lmao |
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| 02:45.22 | pclov3r | please stop doing that |
| 02:45.29 | juryben | ok |
| 02:45.36 | pclov3r | Use the debian supplied drivers. |
| 02:45.50 | juryben | are those up to date? |
| 02:45.50 | pclov3r | If you need newer ones there should be a backport. |
| 02:46.10 | pclov3r | up to date ones may be in testing? |
| 02:46.17 | pclov3r | but they are likely unstable |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | judd: versions fglrx-driver |
| 02:46.50 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.4-2; sid/non-free: 1:13.4-2 |
| 02:47.13 | daswort | i wanted to disable the caps lock key (or remap) but i accidentally entered the caps mode before i disabled the key, so i am trapped in the CAPS LOCK MODE, i have to hold shift the whole time. |
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| 02:47.25 | juryben | fglrx-driver has no installation candidate |
| 02:47.26 | daswort | how can i exit the caps mode via a command? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | juryben: did you read what the bot told you abou tinstalling fgrlx? |
| 02:48.16 | juryben | nothing useful |
| 02:48.19 | daswort | (for some reason xmodmap -e "add lock = Caps_Lock" gives back errno 1) |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | oh okay .. |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | nothing useful at all .. probably that's why someone wrote it |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | probalby no wiki link or anything like that |
| 02:49.23 | juryben | found a .deb on wiki |
| 02:49.27 | juryben | maybe it'll work |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | this will go poorly, good luck |
| 02:49.40 | juryben | for some reason it's not in the pkm |
| 02:50.49 | pclov3r | there is non-free drivers for ATI right? |
| 02:51.08 | juryben | but not supported by debian |
| 02:51.13 | juryben | somehow there is a hack though |
| 02:53.16 | pclov3r | Going back to my issue |
| 02:53.21 | pclov3r | my setup isn't very typical lol |
| 02:53.34 | pclov3r | 2 RAID0 SSD's 120 GB SSD and a 1 TB spinning dis k |
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| 02:53.54 | pclov3r | Wanted to install debian on the 120gb SSD on separition paritions |
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| 03:08.51 | drpenguin | hey guys, I could use some help here. I am using Debian Wheezy 64bit and have run into a weird issue. All of a sudden, I am no longer able to connect to any wireless networks. In Network-Manager, if I select a network, immediately after I see a notification saying "Connection Failed, Activation of network connection failed". Has anyone seen something like this? When googling this, people recommend going to wicd, but that doesnt work for |
| 03:09.36 | Th0masR0ss | drpenguin: you got cut off at "that doesn't work for" |
| 03:09.52 | drpenguin | Ah, the last 2 words are "me either" |
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| 03:13.07 | sideup66 | I actually just realized an easier way |
| 03:13.50 | sideup66 | I can restrict users to my shared drive directory (who cares if they see the folders on that), by what Im reading access will be restricted by the local filesystem, so just put them all in that directory |
| 03:13.57 | sideup66 | and they can open the folders they need to open |
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| 03:20.45 | pclov3r | Hopefully this works later. DD copy the boot parition. use a 3rd paty tool to install grub. copy back the boot parition using dd. |
| 03:21.02 | pclov3r | boot into debian using supergrubdisk and update grub again |
| 03:21.50 | pclov3r | Hopefully that works |
| 03:21.57 | pclov3r | Does it matter were the boot parition is on the disk? |
| 03:22.15 | pclov3r | Well, SSD |
| 03:23.10 | drpenguin | I dont know too much about SSD, so I dont think it matters WHERE the boot partition is, but I think for SSD, partition alignment is SUPER important |
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| 03:23.49 | pclov3r | yeah the debain installer failed to have grub working on it correctly |
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| 03:23.59 | pclov3r | due to my non-standard setup |
| 03:24.15 | drpenguin | I missed your problem description, so I dont know what you are doing ;P |
| 03:24.35 | pclov3r | I have 2 256 GB ssd's in RAID0 120 GB SSD and a 1 TB Spinning disk |
| 03:24.47 | pclov3r | Want to install debian on the 120gb SSD on paritions |
| 03:24.59 | pclov3r | But the first parition on it is a NTFS parition |
| 03:25.10 | pclov3r | so boot and / root will be others on it |
| 03:26.21 | drpenguin | Ok, well the only circumstance I know about partitions having to be in a specific order or something is for some embedded system, like, the RPI NEEDS a fat partition on the disk and the first one it finds it reads so it can boot the system |
| 03:26.45 | pclov3r | I ws able to get a 3rd prty tool t oinstal lgrub on it |
| 03:26.54 | pclov3r | but it would just just go to a grub prompt lol |
| 03:27.13 | drpenguin | what partition is the bootable one? |
| 03:27.25 | pclov3r | it would be /dev/sda2 |
| 03:27.27 | pclov3r | i mean |
| 03:27.31 | pclov3r | sdc2 |
| 03:27.45 | drpenguin | and sdc2 is the boot partition? |
| 03:27.48 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 03:28.01 | pclov3r | I'm booting the drive by booting it dorectrly form the bios boot menu |
| 03:28.03 | drpenguin | and is the drive that contains the boot partition the one that the computer is booting off of? |
| 03:28.14 | pclov3r | for that drive yes |
| 03:28.24 | drpenguin | Ok.. so what happens when that drive boots, do you even get a grub prompt? |
| 03:28.36 | pclov3r | before i even installed grub though a 3rd party tool |
| 03:28.41 | pclov3r | it would just say OS missing |
| 03:28.52 | pclov3r | i tired to install grub from debian and it would not install |
| 03:29.04 | pclov3r | I was able to boot into debian using super grub disk |
| 03:29.13 | pclov3r | which is awesome btw |
| 03:29.25 | drpenguin | hmm.. OS missing.. I dont know if that would be a Board message or grub message.. did you take notice to grub messages like, loading stage 1 or something? |
| 03:29.35 | pclov3r | nope |
| 03:29.39 | pclov3r | it's a BIOS message |
| 03:29.46 | pclov3r | dumping the bootsector showed no grub |
| 03:30.09 | drpenguin | right, well where did you even install grub to? |
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| 03:30.24 | pclov3r | i would think /dev/sdc |
| 03:30.49 | pclov3r | using a 3rd prty tool worked |
| 03:30.51 | drpenguin | which would be an mbr installation, but if you see no grub stuff in the first 512 bytes.. then you didnt install it to the mbr |
| 03:30.54 | pclov3r | but it would just go to a grub prompt |
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| 03:31.34 | pclov3r | stange issue non the less |
| 03:31.39 | pclov3r | I don't think this is a typical issue |
| 03:31.50 | drpenguin | well thats a start, you might now need to configure that to look at /dev/sdc2 (which might be hda2 in grubland) so it can be configured with what should be installed in there, is there anything in /boot? there should be atleast kernel stuff.. |
| 03:32.03 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 03:32.04 | pclov3r | there was |
| 03:32.10 | pclov3r | and gub files |
| 03:33.13 | pclov3r | It might be eiaser to unplug all the drives |
| 03:33.18 | pclov3r | besides /dev/sdc and than install debian |
| 03:33.29 | pclov3r | I'm afraid that might break my array tho |
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| 03:33.45 | drpenguin | pclov3r: well, once you have the grub prompt, you should be able to get it working from there, you just need to configure grub |
| 03:34.13 | pclov3r | my idea was to backup the /boot parition |
| 03:34.19 | pclov3r | install grub via the 3rd part tool |
| 03:34.27 | pclov3r | and than restore the boot parition |
| 03:35.05 | pclov3r | and two ssd's in raid0 is not needed |
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| 03:35.28 | pclov3r | i get just over 1 GB/sec sequencal |
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| 03:37.15 | pclov3r | to bad it doesnt' scale random 4k lol |
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| 03:37.44 | pclov3r | well random 4k with a queue depth of 1 |
| 03:38.23 | drpenguin | *shrugs* yeah sorry, I dont know much about SSD or raid |
| 03:38.32 | drpenguin | kinda sad, as an SE I really should |
| 03:39.04 | pclov3r | lol it's ok |
| 03:39.25 | pclov3r | I'll try and get it going |
| 03:39.29 | pclov3r | When i have the time to |
| 03:40.08 | pclov3r | oethersie on my 160gb ssd |
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| 03:40.13 | pclov3r | it booted in 6 seconds |
| 03:40.48 | drpenguin | I should of put an SSD in my new box.. I just put in a 1tb as the main drive |
| 03:41.09 | pclov3r | I put an SSD in my CentOS server |
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| 05:21.00 | catsup | how can i tune a drive to retry reads more before returning an error? |
| 05:21.25 | catsup | besides sdparm which doesn't work on my drive |
| 05:21.43 | catsup | (so i'm looking for a solution at the linux block device driver level) |
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| 05:46.36 | ImaLamer | what logs should i be searching if i'm looking at 100% packet loss on this machine (inbound ICMP) |
| 05:46.54 | ImaLamer | *this = that remote machine |
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| 06:20.47 | afidegnum | I have down chmod 775 -R folder name but not work this followed by the php error I am getting Warning: chmod(): Operation not permitted in _event_css_add() |
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| 06:23.11 | moof2_ | afidegnum... sec. |
| 06:24.01 | moof2_ | SYNOPSIS |
| 06:24.11 | afidegnum | ?? |
| 06:24.19 | moof2_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.36 | moof2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.51 | moof2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.54 | caf | only the owner or root can change file permissions with chmod() |
| 06:26.07 | moof2_ | these are the three forms of chmod. you were using the second form |
| 06:26.51 | moof2_ | I can tell because 775 is an "octal mode" which only occurs in the second form |
| 06:27.47 | moof2_ | in all three forms, OPTIONs come first right after chmod, -R is an option so it would go before the octal mode |
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| 06:28.20 | afidegnum | so should it be chmod rwx -R foldername ? |
| 06:28.20 | moof2_ | (and it's chown that can only be run as root) |
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| 06:28.55 | moof2_ | instead of chmod 775 -R <dir> |
| 06:29.02 | moof2_ | (remember options go first) |
| 06:29.19 | moof2_ | it's chmod -R 775 <dir> |
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| 06:31.24 | moof2_ | you should be very careful about chmod and -R since its ultimate potential is to change (or try to change) all files |
| 06:32.12 | afidegnum | ok |
| 06:32.23 | moof2_ | does that make sense to you? |
| 06:32.30 | afidegnum | yes, |
| 06:32.37 | moof2_ | good :) |
| 06:32.51 | moof2_ | did it do the job you wanted? |
| 06:33.09 | afidegnum | in fact that is what I did, chmod -R 775 dir |
| 06:33.14 | afidegnum | but it didnn't work |
| 06:33.32 | moof2_ | so no? |
| 06:33.46 | ImaLamer | maybe all the files inside it? |
| 06:33.51 | afidegnum | yes |
| 06:34.02 | afidegnum | I think that is what I need to do. |
| 06:34.05 | ImaLamer | but you need the directory too |
| 06:34.10 | ImaLamer | oh nvm |
| 06:34.14 | afidegnum | ok, both directory and files |
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| 06:34.34 | moof2_ | was there an error message? |
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| 06:39.26 | afidegnum | moof2, what should be done pls ? |
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| 06:43.09 | moof2_ | afidegnum, first check the files/dirs inside the <dir> using ls -l |
| 06:43.35 | moof2_ | if you want 775 you should see rwxrwxr-x |
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| 06:44.27 | moof2_ | do they look good? |
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| 06:44.55 | afidegnum | drwxrwxr-x 10 775 root 4096 Jul 8 22:53 myfolder |
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| 06:47.26 | moof2_ | you did a chown on that folder |
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| 06:47.32 | afidegnum | yes I did |
| 06:48.26 | moof2_ | by coincidence, you chowned the folder to 775 which is also the octal mode |
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| 06:49.53 | afidegnum | yet, I am still having error, |
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| 06:50.20 | afidegnum | in fact what is bringing the error is ... Warning: chmod(): Operation not permitted in _event_css_add() (line 284 of /var/www/nekti/sites/all/modules/event_calendar/event_calendar_colors/event_calendar_colors.module). |
| 06:50.50 | afidegnum | so this is a php issue, php need to have permission to execute that code. |
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| 06:51.33 | moof2_ | one curiousity, is what user is actually running the chmod (which is also the user which is running php) |
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| 06:51.59 | moof2_ | do you see why I'm curious about that? |
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| 06:53.49 | moof2_ | also another part of this is I don't know anything about php, and more specifically the chmod binding which is what you're running |
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| 06:56.51 | afidegnum | hmm... ok, |
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| 06:58.26 | afidegnum | so what do you suggest me to od ? |
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| 06:58.52 | afidegnum | secondly how do I change the system login, I want to open the terminal a a user not as a root.. ? |
| 06:59.05 | afidegnum | i mean ssh |
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| 06:59.35 | moof2_ | would you like to log in as the user who can perform the chmod? |
| 06:59.53 | moof2_ | also what user do you want to own myfolder? |
| 07:00.56 | moof2_ | (I have a feeling you might have confused chmod with chown, but we'll get to that, and this may be why the php is failing) |
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| 07:01.51 | afidegnum | well, I am on my local pc, so I don't want to have any apparent restriction in working on files and folders |
| 07:03.36 | moof2_ | ok, so you want a user who has access to those files and folders? |
| 07:04.04 | caf | if you want the php code to be able to execute chmod() on that directory, you must make sure that the owner of that directory is the user that is running the php code |
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| 07:04.25 | caf | at the moment the owner is the non-existent user 775 |
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| 07:07.13 | afidegnum | well, basically, I want everyone to access that folder |
| 07:07.37 | daveee123 | where do i find the setting for what middle mouse button does? |
| 07:07.56 | moof2_ | can we hold off on everyone for just this moment and talk about you first? |
| 07:08.34 | daveee123 | fine |
| 07:09.22 | moof2_ | daveee123, it depends on which de/wm you're running |
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| 07:10.34 | moof2_ | hmm, I don't have experience on that one... anyone have more exp and knows where the settings for the mouse is |
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| 07:12.29 | moof2_ | afidegnum, caf is absolutely correct when he says that the user php is running as needs to be the same user the files are owned by (not the only way, more on that later) |
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| 07:13.29 | moof2_ | let's look at the php user for a moment |
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| 07:14.45 | moof2_ | if php is being run to script a web application, then there is a web server involved, and that web server also has a user it's running as |
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| 07:16.34 | moof2_ | so let's say there exists a user foo... |
| 07:16.36 | mumpitzel | and under debian, the user the webserver runs as is usually www-data |
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| 07:17.05 | moof2_ | yes, right |
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| 07:17.15 | afidegnum | thanks for the enlightment. |
| 07:17.49 | moof2_ | welcoem... so let's follow this user called foo (for now) |
| 07:17.50 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.27 | moof2_ | when the web server is started, let's say the settings are such that the user foo is what the web server runs as |
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| 07:19.11 | moof2_ | one thing this means, is that everything the web server does (like start a cgi program) will also run as foo |
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| 07:19.55 | afidegnum | oko |
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| 07:20.40 | moof2_ | by the exact same token, if the web server (is configured correctly and) sees a request for a php file, the web server will spawn php, and (you guessed it) the web server, running as user foo, will spawn php ALSO as foo |
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| 07:20.57 | afidegnum | I have the feeling it's the css directory that is still suffering from permission error ... |
| 07:21.37 | moof2_ | now let's take mumpitzel's comment into account |
| 07:21.54 | moof2_ | he says: usually a web server in debian will run as the user www-data |
| 07:22.02 | afidegnum | wait wait wait.... I've seen where the problem is from ... |
| 07:22.10 | afidegnum | I have removed the css folder. |
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| 07:22.25 | moof2_ | something he didn't say yet, |
| 07:22.41 | afidegnum | I suspected a haking atack on my server which was the reason why I removed the css directory... now the script is looking for it... |
| 07:22.47 | afidegnum | let me check again if that could be solved. |
| 07:23.12 | moof2_ | is the web server not only runs as -user- www-data, but also as the -group- www-data |
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| 07:23.53 | moof2_ | which means, a php when spawned by that web server will -also- run as user www-data, group www-data |
| 07:24.03 | moof2_ | how we doin? |
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| 07:25.18 | afidegnum | yea, wait, let me uninstall the said module and reinstall it again to see if the problem will be fixed. |
| 07:25.18 | MachinaeWolf | How would I go about fixing the the brightness changing being laggy and my fn + volume keys not working on the 3.9 and 3.10 kernels? |
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| 07:25.55 | afidegnum | because all part of the application is working except for that issue which pop up |
| 07:26.45 | moof2_ | afidegnum, ok. when you get a chance, let me know if you got the part about the web server process and the user and group it runs as |
| 07:28.10 | Frets | Hi all, I was wondering if there a minimal debian install that doesn't include the default programs. Like gimp, libre office, brasero etc.? |
| 07:28.26 | afidegnum | ok, just a sec |
| 07:28.39 | moof2_ | Frets, well the base install is the mostest leastest |
| 07:28.50 | moof2_ | err the most minimal |
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| 07:29.57 | Frets | Ok i see, thanks moof2_. So no "ubuntu server"-like option for debian? |
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| 07:30.07 | moof2_ | Frets, it's enough to fix very basic problems very close to the core, and also install more packages |
| 07:30.35 | jelly-home | Frets: what's wrong with the base system? |
| 07:30.44 | moof2_ | Frets, then you can install individual server programs (like ssh server, mail server, web server etc) |
| 07:31.10 | moof2_ | jelly, I think he's just not used to that way |
| 07:31.18 | mumpitzel | Frets: lot less than ubuntu server |
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| 07:31.57 | mumpitzel | a debian base system would easily fit into 200-300MB IIRC |
| 07:32.06 | jelly-home | Frets: usethe normal installer, at the task selection screen make sure everything is deselected, and you get the base system, with basically nothing on it except the ability to install more stuff |
| 07:32.33 | moof2_ | and fix core problems |
| 07:32.40 | jelly-home | !tell Frets about base install |
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| 07:33.36 | jelly-home | Frets: if that ends up being too spartan for you, see also: /msg dpkg standard task |
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| 07:34.26 | moof2_ | Frets, people always ask me where my frets are when I play bass... I turn to my fingerboard, look surprised and say "oh shit, someone stole em!" |
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| 07:42.58 | moof2_ | afidegnum, checking in. how's it going |
| 07:43.08 | ratrace | Hello all, is there an issue with Wheezy kernel as KVM virtualization guest reporting an order of magnitude more traffic (than what the host measures) in /proc/net/dev? |
| 07:43.59 | Frets | hehe moof2_ |
| 07:45.02 | moof2_ | Frets, are you trying to live inside a specific amount of disk space? |
| 07:45.51 | Frets | I think I have some minor form of OCD to be honest. I just don't want anything I won't use if you know what I mean. |
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| 07:48.00 | Frets | I have had a secondary linux box for years, I'd call myself a noob. |
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| 07:49.30 | Frets | I guess I am naive as to what i require for a stable, secure, minimal and often updated linux os. |
| 07:50.32 | Frets | I once used a tiny core linux box for a while but it was a bit too minimal. |
| 07:50.40 | moof2_ | well, that's a good thing to realize as initial conditions... I would say install the base, install some servers and then see what you could use after that, and install that |
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| 07:51.36 | moof2_ | one thing you should probably do periodically is back up so you'll want space to do that |
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| 07:52.05 | moof2_ | you have a large handful of choices |
| 07:52.15 | Frets | and by the base you mean base debian correct? By unchecking print server, desktop environment, etc? |
| 07:52.36 | moof2_ | right |
| 07:52.48 | Frets | and apt-get removing programs I will never use. |
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| 07:53.24 | moof2_ | yes... but... just because you don't use them doesn't mean the system doesn't either |
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| 07:54.52 | moof2_ | is this machine you'd be installing onto, a remote? or is it a coupla feet away? |
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| 07:56.12 | Frets | i am sandboxing in virtual box first. |
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| 07:56.49 | moof2_ | got it... I would keep a journal showing exactly how you install it |
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| 07:58.40 | Frets | yes, have a running list of what I have done so far. :) |
| 08:00.23 | Frets | now that I look closer, there is not a lot that I would remove.. |
| 08:01.03 | moof2_ | there are 2 or 3 unattended installer things, you could build up a way to install things you want on your local sandbox, and use the resulting config file to install the same thing on the remote |
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| 08:01.38 | Frets | I think I have had ubuntu in my mind, and presuming there would be just as many programs to remove in debian. |
| 08:02.45 | moof2_ | also, (different thing here) the netinstall image is itself about 220 mb or so, and most of that is a copy of the base |
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| 08:04.52 | moof2_ | so (in packaged and compressed form) the base is roughly 200 mb, and that may expand to double that |
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| 08:05.46 | moof2_ | so then, I'm curious what you'll be serving with this box once it's deployed |
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| 08:08.32 | dcrypt | Frets, if you go that route maybe look into LFS |
| 08:08.45 | dcrypt | if you want something that customized that is the way to go |
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| 08:10.27 | moof2_ | with LFS (which could very well fit your bill), be very careful when it comes to upgrading libs |
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| 08:11.19 | dcrypt | there's been a few LFS projects that supported debian or ubuntu repo's completely. |
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| 08:11.41 | dcrypt | again, if you wanted to go that route, you'd probably know more then we did about the os and you wouldn't be in here asking us |
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| 08:11.53 | dcrypt | so yea.. nevermind lol |
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| 08:15.22 | Frets | moof2_ It will just be for personal use. I'd also like to use it on an older laptop for my wife. |
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| 08:16.38 | Frets | Thanks for the reply dcrypt, I did look into LFS, it looked like overkill for my needs, but I was still interesting in building one just for my own general knowledge. |
| 08:17.18 | Frets | *interested. |
| 08:18.19 | jelly-home | LFS is an interesting mental exercise, but almost completely useless if you want to learn how things are actually done these days |
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| 08:20.57 | moof2_ | debian tends to control complexity and stability by locking down the versions of things. some people want more freedom than that, others appreciate the stability that is provided by maintaining specific versions of everything |
| 08:21.08 | DX099 | well I changed TRANSMISSION_HOME to "/home/debian/transmission/.config/transmission-daemon/" |
| 08:21.52 | dcrypt | Frets, yea building one will surely take the guessing out of how to do something later |
| 08:21.53 | DX099 | sorry, I was asking how exactly transmission was working in Wheezy |
| 08:22.05 | Frets | I am interested what you mean by that jelly-home, what would be a better way of learning how things are done these days? http://www.tldp.org? |
| 08:22.27 | DX099 | I can't have it to load the settings I want. Anyone has already done that ? |
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| 08:23.06 | dcrypt | Frets, i think he means you can apt-get most things because somebody else did all the work for you. that is if you run supported hardware. |
| 08:23.18 | dcrypt | i don't know, anybody with a freebsd background would laugh at that statement |
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| 08:25.44 | Frets | moof2_, exactly the reason I have have ended my years of tomfoolery looking for the "best distro". I'm looking to settle down.. I'm sticking with Debian. |
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| 08:26.35 | colo-work | what's the most lightweight image viewer in Debian? I'm using imagemagick display right now, but it uses up a lot of memory when rendering images to pixmaps, and I wonder if there isn't a more efficient way to do that that another library/tool might use. |
| 08:26.47 | Fermata | feh, perhaps? |
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| 08:28.19 | mumpitzel | how else than with pixmaps can you show a image? |
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| 08:29.23 | colo-work | mumixam, you can't. but have you really never experienced differences in image display performance? try opening a 20000x20000px PNG in MS Paint and in GIMP. there's a difference. |
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| 08:29.43 | colo-work | I don't know what or how they do it, but the latter is MUCH more smooth and efficient on the same hardware and software platform |
| 08:30.04 | dcrypt | gimp is optimized for supporting those image sizes |
| 08:30.50 | mawe_ | im running software raid and one of the harddisks got removed yesterday and replaced because the SATA cable was changed, i rejoined the array but it didn't resync it did recover instead which i haven't seen so far.. and now it seems there is some data missing, is my old data still available or should i consider restoring from backup? |
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| 08:31.14 | dcrypt | better programming, more efficient algorithms.. not sure how you compare an open source piece of literal genius vs proprietary microsoft software with daddy abandonment issues |
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| 08:33.32 | DX099 | can anyone enlighten me on how transmission is Debian is looking for it's configuration file ? |
| 08:34.44 | jargon | DX099: according to the man pages for transmission-gtk: FILES |
| 08:34.44 | jargon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.44 | jargon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.52 | DX099 | jargon, yes, that's what should be done, but mine won't do that, it would look under some /var/config paths when ~/.config/transmission actually do exists for the user running it... |
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| 08:37.11 | jargon | DX099: which version are you using on which debian release? |
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| 08:38.18 | DX099 | jargon, how do I check Debian version ? |
| 08:38.36 | jargon | lsb_release -a |
| 08:38.42 | dcrypt | DX099, check the ownership of the transmission config directory |
| 08:38.50 | dcrypt | make sure it's to the user running transmission |
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| 08:39.47 | DX099 | dcrypt, jargon, I'm using Debian Wheezy 7.1 with Transmission-daemon 2.52 |
| 08:40.45 | DX099 | init script will run it with user "debian-transmission" and that use do own /home/debian-transmission/.config/transmission-daemon/ |
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| 08:42.31 | DX099 | permissions on the settings.json file are 600 |
| 08:42.52 | jargon | DX099: wait. how come you have a user called debian-transmission with its own home dir? |
| 08:43.11 | DX099 | jargon, because it seems debian created that user itself |
| 08:43.24 | martian68 | ##linux test |
| 08:43.37 | dcrypt | DX099, kill the daemon and rerun it with tarnsmission-daemon -g /home/user/.config/tramissions-daemon/ |
| 08:43.43 | dcrypt | replace user with the user |
| 08:43.55 | jargon | DX099: how did you install it? |
| 08:44.07 | dcrypt | also spell transmission right lol |
| 08:44.14 | DX099 | I never created it, I was following tutorial on transmission trac and happened to spot a "debian-transmission" user |
| 08:44.34 | DX099 | jargon, through aptitude |
| 08:44.58 | jargon | DX099: cat your sources.list |
| 08:45.01 | dcrypt | that's weird man, but -g is how you direct it to your .config directory |
| 08:45.08 | jargon | DX099: to pastebin |
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| 08:45.25 | DX099 | dcrypt, yeah I saw that in man but I'd rather add it to init script then |
| 08:46.08 | dcrypt | DX099, if it works then add it in |
| 08:46.43 | DX099 | jargon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5857807/ |
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| 08:48.33 | jargon | DX099: why are your src lines uncommented? |
| 08:49.11 | DX099 | jargon, I don't know, it was like that |
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| 08:49.47 | jargon | DX099: how did u install transmission? what was the exact command? |
| 08:50.21 | colo-work | Fermata, feh does better than Imagemagick display, apparently: |
| 08:50.22 | colo-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.22 | colo-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.27 | colo-work | 17m vs 47m |
| 08:51.06 | Fermata | I see. |
| 08:51.13 | Fermata | That's good, I guess. |
| 08:51.28 | colo-work | yup :) thanks for the pointer |
| 08:51.34 | Fermata | np |
| 08:51.38 | colo-work | I've been using feh in the past, but had forgotten about it |
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| 08:52.55 | DX099 | jargon, sudo aptitude install transmission-daemon |
| 08:53.17 | DX099 | dcrypt, it works but somehow, my password won't be recognized... |
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| 08:54.14 | DX099 | ah spotted it |
| 08:54.32 | DX099 | perfectly normal behaviour according to "https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/UnixServer/Debian" |
| 08:54.56 | jargon | DX099: transmission-daemon? why not transmission-gtk? |
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| 08:55.16 | DX099 | jargon, because it's a remote server |
| 08:55.24 | jargon | DX099: oh i see |
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| 08:55.59 | DX099 | and anyway, I once tried enabling remote X session and failed miserably, still to hot for me... |
| 08:56.11 | jargon | DX099: well, in that case i'm going to have to stop. i've never used transmission that way, so i won't be of much help to you. but you seem to how solved it anyway :-) |
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| 08:57.24 | DX099 | yeah, thanks ! |
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| 10:20.32 | _martin | /bin/bash: line 1: quit: command not found ... |
| 10:20.33 | _martin | wtf |
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| 10:21.04 | Kingsy | can someone help me, I want to record my soundcard output in debian... I am looking at audacity, but I don't see a way. |
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| 10:21.49 | Frets | Can I just say.. Settings > Appearance > Fonts > Rendering : Hinting = Full. What an amazing difference this has made to clarity.. |
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| 10:23.38 | babilen | Frets: You might also want to run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and choose "Autohinter", "Automatic", "No" there -- I find Autohinter much more pleasant than "Native" |
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| 10:27.08 | _martin | I cant quit vim wtf is going on |
| 10:27.48 | CommaCrazy | XD nano |
| 10:27.54 | jelly | esc :q! |
| 10:28.03 | Frets | Thanks babilen. I tried your suggestion however didn't see any change. Perhaps Auto==Full. Looks great though. |
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| 10:30.23 | _martin | I cant install nano beause some system libaires are missing CommaCrazy |
| 10:30.55 | CommaCrazy | ouch |
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| 10:32.42 | babilen | _martin: What did you do to your system? You can exit vim with "ESC :q!<CR>" (<CR> is return) |
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| 10:33.55 | _martin | http://pastebin.com/TRKZBUuS babilen I'll get after :!q |
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| 10:37.19 | digdilem | try "exit" _martin |
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| 10:38.06 | babilen | _martin: It is "ESC :q!" not "ESC :!q" (note the order of ! and q) |
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| 10:39.19 | digdilem | and people say vim is hard to understand.... if you want to just edit files, install jed |
| 10:40.38 | _martin | oh thanks babilen |
| 10:42.07 | moof2_ | or mousepad |
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| 10:43.33 | petn-randall | or cat |
| 10:43.59 | babilen | digdilem: Like everything else you have to learn vim and cannot expect to know/understand it right away. |
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| 10:45.24 | tuv | do i need to reboot a debian openvz guest after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? (kernel does not change) |
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| 10:47.02 | _martin | I'll get dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. which is resulting of removing of one of this packages apt-get install winbind uuid-dev smbfs smbclient samba-common samba libuuid1 libss2 libcomerr2 libblkid1 libblkid-dev gphoto2 e2fsprogs e2fslibs But which package is it? |
| 10:47.57 | moof2_ | _martin maybe you're trying to install or remove a package... and you doon't have write access |
| 10:48.28 | petn-randall | tuv: If the kernel didn't change, you cheated somewhere along the way ... :) |
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| 10:48.38 | _martin | damn it, I reset the image.. I try a new one |
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| 10:49.36 | tuv | petn-randall: it's openvz. the kernel is the host's, not the guest's |
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| 10:51.08 | petn-randall | tuv: Then you don't have to restart. You can check with 'checkrestart' from the debian-goodies package if any daemons need to. |
| 10:51.36 | petn-randall | tuv: Though dpkg should already have taken care of that. |
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| 11:01.03 | digdilem | babilen, vim is great software. it's hugely powerful, but most users do not need that to edit files, and vi/m's learning curve is vertical and mostly uneccessary when easy to use and intuitive alternatives (like jed) exist |
| 11:01.48 | digdilem | the only reason i learnt how to drive vi is because it's on every system i use, but if i use that system for more than five minutes i put a text editor on there to edit text |
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| 11:06.38 | tuv | petn-randall: checkrestart is handy. thanks for the tip |
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| 11:10.33 | petn-randall | digdilem: I agree, IMO nano shines with ease of use, you can edit right away and learn along (the bottom most two lines describe every possible command). But when it comes to editing a little more, vim really shines. You usually don't have regex editing, or line-swapping commands in those easy editors. |
| 11:10.54 | petn-randall | tuv: You're welcome, have a nice day :) |
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| 11:14.39 | digdilem | petn-randall, true, and nano's a good example since it's also installed with debian-base, but I would consider those extra features not required by the majority of linux users, even quite a few sysadmins wouldn't use a regexp's in a text editor |
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| 11:15.22 | digdilem | i feel quite strongly about introducing newbies to vim and told to get on with it, as I know at least one person who when faced with that left linux entirely |
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| 11:16.53 | petn-randall | digdilem: I use the regex feature all the time :). Want to rename a machine in my icinga config? '%s/fluffy/tiger/g', ':wq', done. Doing that with nano would take too long when you have 30 occurances. |
| 11:17.12 | digdilem | jed, search and replace :) |
| 11:17.34 | digdilem | not as flexible as regexp snr ofc, but more often used |
| 11:17.38 | petn-randall | digdilem: I agree in that point. If newbies ask me for an editor, I recommend nano to them. If they miss feature and want to try something else, I recommend vim :). |
| 11:17.47 | digdilem | perfect :) |
| 11:17.54 | petn-randall | s/feature/features/ |
| 11:18.28 | digdilem | I also have a soft-spot for Jed since it supports Borland IDE keybindings, something I grew to love when I was coding turbo-C in the 90s |
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| 11:20.12 | petn-randall | digdilem: I also have to admit that I recommend Ubuntu to complete computer novices when they ask me for a distro. I installed two people Debian, who had a little experience with Windows, and they went back after half a year. |
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| 11:20.49 | petn-randall | digdilem: Got three people to use Ubuntu instead of Windows, which is kind of a win. |
| 11:20.51 | digdilem | i think we have similar tastes, although I now recommend Mint as Ubuntu's unity seems to confuse some people |
| 11:21.05 | petn-randall | digdilem: Oh well, this is getting a little OT, maybe we move this to #debian-offtopic? |
| 11:21.19 | digdilem | Fair point, but I'm done I think. |
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| 11:23.19 | imdea | Is there any bugs with apache2 in Debian stable so far? |
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| 11:25.25 | ksk | imdea: probably. see http://bugs.debian.org |
| 11:25.34 | moof2_ | imdea, for any question that starts with "is there any bugs with ...", the place to look is cited by /msg dpkg bts |
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| 11:28.56 | roger21 | hey |
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| 11:31.46 | roger21 | what would be the best wm for surper simple desktop (classic window behaviour, a bar for the windows and a bar for the shortcuts) if it has a nice xterm thingy i wouldt be mad |
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| 11:32.11 | mumpitzel | roger21: lxde, xfce? |
| 11:32.35 | mumpitzel | xterm is independent from windowmanager, you can use any (e.g. some urxvt one) |
| 11:33.02 | roger21 | yeah i meant a xterm thingy, not an xterm |
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| 11:58.55 | mav | when i run aptitude update i get a nice "Current status: 30 updates [+18].". is there any place to read this value again from a file or command? |
| 11:59.18 | num | Hello! Does anyone have experience with libtorrent for python? |
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| 12:01.11 | roger21 | mac, try something like /var/log/aptitude |
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| 12:06.19 | mav | roger21: hmm it seems only the installation or updating of packages is being logged there |
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| 12:07.19 | chomwitt | how do i remove complety kde? i checked task-kde-desktop , but i give a remove command in aptitude it list many packages that it'll keep in their current versions! |
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| 12:09.05 | jelly | chomwitt: /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 12:11.30 | mav | roger21: figured i can just do aptitude search ~U and count results from that. thanks for the hint though :) |
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| 12:13.32 | chomwitt | jelly: thanks!! |
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| 12:16.10 | _martin | http://pastebin.com/T8f5vnnJ can someone tell me how to fix this? |
| 12:16.15 | Siebjee | Does any one know if you can see which data is going into /dev/null ? |
| 12:17.02 | koollman | Siebjee: why do you want to do that ? |
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| 12:17.12 | gumble | anyone have a idea why "service apache2 restart" always does "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1" for me? afterwards I have my server running on 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 |
| 12:18.01 | koollman | gumble: you may have a virtualhost declared using 127.0.1.1 in apache's configuration |
| 12:18.08 | jelly | gumble: the hostname is not set properly, or is listed only as a hostname without a domain in /etc/hosts. See /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 12:19.37 | gumble | jelly, thanks! works |
| 12:19.38 | Siebjee | koollman, i want to know how much output my application is generating without me having to restart it |
| 12:20.43 | koollman | Siebjee: I can't think of a good way to do that. As for bad ways, you may try to strace it |
| 12:20.52 | koollman | (strace -p pidofapplication) |
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| 12:21.47 | _martin | I get : dpkg: error processing nis (--configure): what can I do? |
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| 12:22.16 | mumpitzel | _martin: you pastebin the command you typed and its full output |
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| 12:22.51 | gumble | ah no actually koollman was right :D thanks |
| 12:23.02 | Siebjee | koollman, oeh strace, didn't think of that one yes, let me try it |
| 12:23.31 | _martin | dpkg --purge nis |
| 12:23.31 | _martin | solved the thing! |
| 12:23.32 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up nis all over _martin and Lassi-... |
| 12:23.47 | _martin | 0o |
| 12:24.06 | _martin | ah damnit. dpkg --purge nis didn't fixed the issue |
| 12:24.36 | _martin | mumpitzel i set in /etc/host a hostname |
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| 12:24.49 | _martin | I don't know why its telling me that the hostname is unknown |
| 12:25.03 | mumpitzel | _martin: that file doesn't exist |
| 12:25.14 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.00 | jelly | _martin: read /msg dpkg hostname; changing the files does not change the value at runtime; that has to be done using the hostname command. |
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| 12:27.01 | jelly | now do it without that last ; and without that first space |
| 12:27.14 | _martin | xD |
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| 12:28.07 | Siebjee | koollman, strace didn't show the output i was hoping for unfortunattely |
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| 12:35.01 | crane_work | hi, does someone know how to create a cert with tinyca for two domains? for example domain.tld and www.domain.tld |
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| 12:37.53 | boblee | crane_work: just use openssl |
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| 12:38.45 | _martin | there must be an other problem with package nis. the file exists! http://paste.debian.net/15142/ |
| 12:38.46 | crane_work | boblee, that would be one possible option if it wouldn't be a big pain i the ass when using openssl ^^ |
| 12:39.20 | boblee | crane_work: huh? you must be confused. |
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| 12:39.34 | crane_work | boblee, or that :D |
| 12:39.53 | boblee | crane_work: what are you trying to accomplish perhaps I can give you the command. |
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| 12:40.47 | crane_work | boblee, uh wait, i have an idea |
| 12:40.53 | crane_work | let me try something :) |
| 12:41.07 | boblee | crane_work: also this is a great site on the subject: http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/ |
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| 12:42.51 | __debian__ | hi |
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| 12:44.24 | crane_work | boblee, how does my openssl command has to look like if i want to use domain.tld and www.domain.tld as my cn? |
| 12:46.38 | boblee | crane_work: cn=*.domain.tld or... use SAN |
| 12:47.21 | boblee | SAN:dns=domain.tld&dns=www.domain.tld |
| 12:47.53 | boblee | fyi: SAN=subject alternate name |
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| 12:49.14 | boblee | or just redirect people to www? |
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| 12:49.47 | crane_work | boblee, that fails... i redirect people from domain.tld to www.domain.tld but firefox does not like that |
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| 12:50.22 | petn-randall | _martin: The right way is to use 'hostname' to set it. /etc/host is a file name that isn't used by Debian. |
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| 12:50.59 | ksk | hey. whats the way to load a kernel module on bootup? as im using mpt-status(d) and right now its needed to manually modprobe mptctl after a reboot |
| 12:51.09 | boblee | crane_work: then you either use the wildcard or san cert |
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| 12:51.36 | petn-randall | ksk: /etc/modules |
| 12:51.56 | ksk | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 12:54.12 | boblee | crane_work: hopefully this will help you: http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/subjectAltName |
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| 12:55.58 | qawssx | What was the option in Postfix to allow user+alias@domain.com addresses? |
| 12:56.34 | petn-randall | qawssx: recipient_delimiter |
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| 12:56.50 | qawssx | That's the one! Cheers mate (someone in another channel beat you to it :P) |
| 12:57.09 | petn-randall | qawssx: It wasn't abrotman, was it? |
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| 12:57.54 | qawssx | Nope hehe |
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| 12:58.22 | petn-randall | qawssx: He usually beats me on this channel by a split of a second. |
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| 12:58.47 | abrotman | what? |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | qawssx: i'd probably ask #postfix before asking #debian :) |
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| 12:59.19 | qawssx | abrotman: Requires registeration with services |
| 12:59.25 | petn-randall | Oh, hi there abrotman :) |
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| 13:00.25 | orp | hi there |
| 13:01.01 | orp | a friend gave me a G4 any one have try it with linux? |
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| 13:01.23 | abrotman | qawssx: really? |
| 13:01.29 | crane_work | orp, you mean an apple g4? |
| 13:01.30 | abrotman | orp: a tv channel? |
| 13:01.47 | qawssx | abrotman: That's what I discovered. |
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| 13:02.00 | orp | yes apple g4 |
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| 13:02.57 | crane_work | orp, you have to use the powerpc arch |
| 13:03.25 | abrotman | qawssx: recipeint_delimiter .. Good luck |
| 13:03.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell orp about powerpc |
| 13:03.30 | crane_work | orp, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 13:03.38 | crane_work | orp, that's all i know :) |
| 13:03.53 | petn-randall | abrotman: Beat you to it, hahaha :) |
| 13:03.54 | crane_work | orp, i dont think that there arey many differences |
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| 13:04.27 | babilen | I'd recommend http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/powerpc/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-powerpc-netinst.iso as that includes firmware (if needed) |
| 13:04.48 | abrotman | petn-randall: ? |
| 13:04.54 | orp | great i will check it |
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| 13:14.03 | __debian__ | he |
| 13:14.15 | __debian__ | i have a question |
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| 13:14.52 | crane_work | __debian__, dont ask to ask a question, just ask what you want to know ;) |
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| 13:15.20 | __debian__ | can iptables analyse packets with non-standard layer-7-protocols completely ? |
| 13:15.21 | petn-randall | __debian__: Welcome! If it's Debian-related, you're at the right place. Don't ask to ask, just shoot with your question! :) |
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| 13:15.48 | petn-randall | __debian__: iptables doesn't analyze packets at all. |
| 13:16.01 | __debian__ | when someone have installed wow, for example ... |
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| 13:16.19 | __debian__ | but wireshark can analyse packets completely ... |
| 13:16.56 | wdouglass | __debian__: yes it can ... right tool for the right job |
| 13:17.19 | __debian__ | wordl of warcraft is not an standardized layer 7 protocol |
| 13:17.19 | wdouglass | __debian__: iptables routes packets based on port and address...that's about all it does |
| 13:17.50 | petn-randall | __debian__: Maybe it's easier if you tell us what you want to achieve, then we can tell you which tools will do the job. |
| 13:17.51 | __debian__ | can iptables see, what the layer-7-protocol is, when its not an standardized |
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| 13:18.14 | wdouglass | __debian__: no tool can do that, unless there's some way to recognize a given protocol |
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| 13:18.59 | crane_work | wdouglass, iptables is a paket filter... imho it's not the right tool for analyze pakets on layer 5 an higher |
| 13:19.06 | __debian__ | i want to make with "iptables -N packet-rules -p http, ftp, world\ of\ warcraft" does it function ? |
| 13:19.27 | wdouglass | crane_work: agreed. |
| 13:19.41 | petn-randall | __debian__: You're still not answering my question. Do you want to classify the outgoing traffic? Stop someone from playing WoW? |
| 13:19.42 | crane_work | wdouglass, well that was easy ;) |
| 13:20.01 | __debian__ | no, only the input traffic |
| 13:20.21 | petn-randall | __debian__: *what* the input traffic? |
| 13:20.42 | crane_work | __debian__, can you try to explain in simple words whats your goal is? we have problems to follow you |
| 13:20.45 | wdouglass | does anybody else feel like this is an abbot and costello routine? |
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| 13:21.23 | __debian__ | it is not simple to explain ... |
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| 13:21.43 | crane_work | boblee, i think i will start over again... :/ https://pki-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ but this looks nice |
| 13:21.52 | petn-randall | wdouglass: Could very well be :) |
| 13:21.59 | wdouglass | :) |
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| 13:23.15 | __debian__ | iptables -N packet-rules -p ppp -p ipv4 -p tcp -p http, ftp, World\ of\ Warcraft ... this is what i want ... can iptables identify the protocol, which WoW does use ? |
| 13:23.26 | wdouglass | __debian__: no. |
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| 13:23.50 | crane_work | __debian__, looks more like you'er searching for an application firewall |
| 13:24.06 | __debian__ | yes |
| 13:24.34 | crane_work | __debian__, are you trying to stop someone in your lan to play wow? |
| 13:25.05 | __debian__ | no, i want to block all ... but i want to allow http, ftp, wow |
| 13:25.15 | boblee | crane_work: not bad. I would definitly stick with just using openssl |
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| 13:25.44 | wdouglass | __debian__: maybe just block the ports they use, and don't worry about layer 7. or set up some kind of proxy and only allow traffic to that |
| 13:25.44 | crane_work | __debian__, then just block the ports wow is using |
| 13:26.02 | wdouglass | crane_work: haha |
| 13:26.11 | crane_work | is veeeery fast today |
| 13:26.15 | __debian__ | no, i want to block all ... but i want to allow http, ftp, wow ... do you not understand ? |
| 13:26.23 | crane_work | __debian__, |
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| 13:26.26 | crane_work | __debian__, yes |
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| 13:26.50 | crane_work | __debian__, what you're looking for is a default policy named drop and then to allow some protocolls/or ports |
| 13:27.03 | __debian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.03 | crane_work | __debian__, that's the normal way iptables is used |
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| 13:27.23 | __debian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.29 | crane_work | __debian__, go away from using protocoll names... you can do that but using port numbers is better imho |
| 13:27.38 | petn-randall | __debian__: We took like 3 pages of chat to pull out that little info out of you. If you don't want us to help you, just say so, but don't waste our time. |
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| 13:28.49 | Dwarf | Afternoon |
| 13:29.06 | Dwarf | http://i3wm.org/docs/repositories.html states "The best way is to add Debian testing and tell apt to prefer Debian stable. " |
| 13:29.10 | Dwarf | How would I do that? |
| 13:29.22 | Dwarf | How do I tell apt what repo to prioritize |
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| 13:30.25 | ksk | Dwarf: what do you actually want to archive (by doing that) |
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| 13:30.43 | Dwarf | I want to get the latest stable i3 |
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| 13:31.38 | petn-randall | Dwarf: Coincidently, that is also the best way to break your system and loose support in this channel :). It's not recommended nor endorsed by us to mix stable and testing. |
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| 13:32.13 | ksk | Dwarf: the documents mentions backports, better take a look if theres a recent i3 in there |
| 13:32.18 | ksk | !tell Dwarf about bpo |
| 13:32.21 | ChrisH | ,v i3 |
| 13:32.23 | judd | Package: i3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.5.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.5.1-2; sid: 4.5.1-2 |
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| 13:32.31 | Dwarf | Ah, backports |
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| 13:35.20 | Dwarf | I wonder tho |
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| 13:35.54 | Dwarf | Ah it uses a config file instead of needing to recompile |
| 13:35.57 | Dwarf | Sweet. |
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| 13:39.52 | thrip | noob question(s): if i wanted to install python3.3 on wheezy is my only option to compile it? |
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| 13:40.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell thrip about usrlocal |
| 13:40.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell thrip about stow usage |
| 13:40.27 | petn-randall | thrip: You could also backport it from experimental |
| 13:41.03 | crane_work | boblee, this article is greate! https://pki-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/expert/index.html |
| 13:41.08 | babilen | thrip: Yes, I would recommend to install it to /usr/local which you manager with stow. Make sure to delete /usr/local/bin/python3 so that it doesn't shadow the system's default. |
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| 13:41.22 | thrip | nice thanks babilen |
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| 13:42.36 | babilen | thrip: I wouldn't recommend backporting it - Keep it separate from the rest of the system (so not to mess with it) and configure your own environment with virtualenv(wrapper). Install modules in those virtual environments with pip and you should be fine. That way the system will be happy and you won't bork any unrelated software due to them being mixed. |
| 13:42.42 | TheCompWiz | using the typical "interfaces" naming conventions... is there a way to define a sub-interface on a vlan interface? ... i.e. eth0.1000:0? |
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| 13:43.26 | petn-randall | babilen: Oh right, system tools might use it, didn't think of that. |
| 13:44.02 | thrip | babilen you anticipated my next question though python3.3 doesn;t seem to be in the backports repository |
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| 13:45.33 | TheCompWiz | I'm trying to avoid switching to the vlan1000 type nomenclature using the vlan-raw-device declaration |
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| 13:46.23 | babilen | thrip: You can backport packages yourself (cf. "/msg dpkg ssb" (simple sid backport)), which essentially means that you compile that software against libraries/conventions on the release you are using. That does, however, actually install that Python version in the system and I cannot guarantee that this is supported. Keep it separate for now and use typical Python tools for deployment/administration (the aforementioned pip, virtualenv, ..) |
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| 13:47.28 | thrip | got it. thanks again babilen. very helpful. |
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| 13:48.01 | TheCompWiz | anyone? |
| 13:48.27 | jelly | TheCompWiz: eth0.1000:0 works. |
| 13:48.32 | jelly | !tias |
| 13:48.33 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 13:48.34 | TheCompWiz | not on squeeze... |
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| 13:48.51 | TheCompWiz | I have tried it... wasn't sure if there was some other syntax I should be using. |
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| 13:49.13 | jelly | TheCompWiz: it works on _lenny_ for me. |
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| 13:49.38 | thrip | wow. crap sry. |
| 13:49.55 | jelly | TheCompWiz: don't see a reason for regression there, but there certainly might be a bug |
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| 13:50.29 | lispghost | #debian |
| 13:50.55 | jelly | auto eth0.11:5 |
| 13:50.55 | jelly | iface eth0.11:5 inet static (etc.) |
| 13:51.07 | TheCompWiz | all I know is if I specify it in the "interfaces" using eth0.1000:0 or whatever... it yells at me saying "too few parameters for iface line" |
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| 13:51.21 | jelly | TheCompWiz: pastebin your whole file, please |
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| 13:51.48 | babilen | thrip: Yes, I asked the bot to send you this. I am, in fact, recommending to use stow and a --prefix like "/usr/local/stow/python3.3/" for the installation. |
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| 13:52.36 | thrip | babilen: yes, thanks. the repost was a fat finger issue. thanks for the help. |
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| 13:53.40 | TheCompWiz | DOH! |
| 13:53.42 | TheCompWiz | I'm an idiot. |
| 13:53.59 | TheCompWiz | forgot inet static |
| 13:54.06 | TheCompWiz | me facepalms. |
| 13:54.13 | TheCompWiz | facepalms twice. |
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| 13:55.34 | TheCompWiz | tosses a batch of fresh-baked cookies to jelly. |
| 13:55.34 | jelly | it happens |
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| 13:58.22 | jhutchins | . |
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| 14:02.33 | yogg | Hi |
| 14:02.57 | DX099 | hello, I'm using vsftpd 2.3.5 in Wheezy 7.1, when I add allow_writeable_chroot=YES, vsftpd stops being able to run and won't provide any kind of error message. Any help ? |
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| 14:03.15 | yogg | I use debian 7 with xen on it and have some problems with the "network-bridge" script. Something is strange with ifup and ifdown |
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| 14:03.36 | afidegnum | euh, how do I find stings "stringname"in a directory of scripts using either find or grep? |
| 14:03.58 | daemonkeeper | greph -rH "string" * |
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| 14:04.24 | TheCompWiz | egrep? |
| 14:04.41 | yogg | "ifup --force eth0" gives me "RNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up eth0" |
| 14:04.42 | TheCompWiz | i.e. egrep /some/path/* -R |
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| 14:04.49 | yogg | but eth0 is not up |
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| 14:05.00 | TheCompWiz | egrep something /some/path/* -R |
| 14:05.01 | TheCompWiz | rather. |
| 14:05.03 | yogg | ifconfig does not show eth0 |
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| 14:05.17 | yogg | have someone an idea why this happens? |
| 14:05.34 | TheCompWiz | yogg: didn't load? |
| 14:05.45 | TheCompWiz | or you swapped network cards? |
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| 14:05.57 | afidegnum | ah, ok, thanks a lot |
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| 14:06.59 | yogg | TheCompWiz: the script creates an bridge (it disables eth0 then creates peth0 and creates a bride "eth0" on it) |
| 14:07.15 | TheCompWiz | define "disables" |
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| 14:07.29 | yogg | this script works nice since debian 4 but something in debian 7 breaks it |
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| 14:07.34 | TheCompWiz | why peth? why not use the default naming convention of br0 |
| 14:08.10 | TheCompWiz | interfaces don't just disappear... the question is... what did YOU do? |
| 14:08.32 | yogg | TheCompWiz: physical eth don't know why this name. The script comes with xen i have not written it |
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| 14:09.17 | TheCompWiz | yogg: less "don't know" more showing. |
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| 14:09.37 | yogg | TheCompWiz: the exact thing i do for testing ist "/etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge start" |
| 14:09.54 | TheCompWiz | and the script looks like..... roast beef? |
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| 14:10.25 | TheCompWiz | wait wait wait... xen? ... ask xen. |
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| 14:11.59 | systemclient | I am on unstable, and did not update for a year. I tried `apt-get dist-upgrade`, but I am still on Kernel 3.0. How do I get a new kernel? |
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| 14:12.36 | Cpuroast | quick question |
| 14:12.41 | woshty | How to get vdpau working on ati? |
| 14:12.52 | Cpuroast | any reason why the Live rescue and live standard isos don't include ifconfig |
| 14:12.52 | Cpuroast | ? |
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| 14:13.43 | yogg | TheCompWiz: http://pastebin.com/rNg79C3V here is the complete script (i only added the --force option to the ifup and ifdown commands) |
| 14:14.20 | yogg | TheCompWiz: error comes up at line 112 |
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| 14:15.04 | yogg | TheCompWiz: but i don't understand why. --force should ignore such things |
| 14:16.52 | Cpuroast | nevermind |
| 14:17.11 | Cpuroast | the linux live cd "user" simply doesn't have /sbin in it's path |
| 14:17.13 | Cpuroast | odd |
| 14:17.27 | petn-randall | Cpuroast: Only root has that. |
| 14:17.37 | Cpuroast | ah |
| 14:17.40 | Cpuroast | also |
| 14:17.50 | TheCompWiz | yogg: looks like deeper issue... apparently the bridge interface isn't created by the "add_to_bridge function which is not within that bit of script you included. (probably in one of the includes listed at the top) |
| 14:18.02 | TheCompWiz | yogg: if you don't know how to read bash-scripts... perhaps you should hire someone who does. |
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| 14:20.33 | yogg | TheCompWiz: I know how to ^^. the bridge gets created. everything works until "ifup --force eth0" is executed. But the --force option should ignore errors und just to it (just like "rm -rf /") |
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| 14:20.57 | Cpuroast | petn-randall: right |
| 14:21.01 | TheCompWiz | yogg: from what you've described... it isn't trying to bring up eth0... but rather the bridge interface. |
| 14:21.11 | Cpuroast | you wouldn't happen to know the default debian 7 live root password? |
| 14:21.19 | TheCompWiz | perhaps something got b0rked and it thinks the bridge-interface is eth0 |
| 14:21.29 | Cpuroast | you land in "user" and you can't even logout to login as root |
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| 14:21.48 | mumpitzel | Cpuroast: use sudo |
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| 14:22.54 | Cpuroast | mumpitzel: what if I don't want to? |
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| 14:23.49 | mumpitzel | Cpuroast: they you don't. I don't give a fuck if you want to do stupid things to yourself |
| 14:23.53 | mumpitzel | *then |
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| 14:24.10 | luese | use sudo .s |
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| 14:24.15 | luese | sudo -s |
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| 14:25.20 | vlad__ | hi all |
| 14:26.15 | yogg | TheCompWiz: ok have now tested low level. Restarted machine. No bridges. eth0 gets configured at boottime. "ifconfig eth0 down" -> disables eth0. "ifup --force eth0" -> gives me "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" and eth0 is still down |
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| 14:26.41 | jordanm | yogg, ifdown eth0 |
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| 14:26.56 | jordanm | ifupdown doesn't know about state changes performed manually |
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| 14:27.04 | yogg | jordanm: i know, but why does the --force does not ignore it? |
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| 14:27.28 | Cpuroast | mumpitzel: all good, sudo -i :( |
| 14:27.30 | Cpuroast | sorry |
| 14:27.32 | jordanm | yogg, bug if it works otherwise |
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| 14:28.43 | yogg | jordanm: hmm sucks. But i have an idea for a workarround |
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| 14:31.56 | jhutchins | Might be worth while to check to see if network manager is running. |
| 14:32.53 | wolfez | What is the name of the audio server in debian? |
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| 14:33.41 | wolfez | What is the name of the audio server in debian? |
| 14:33.42 | petn-randall | wolfez: One of them is called pulseaudio. Then there's jackd, and probably half a dozen more. What's the problem you have? |
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| 14:34.26 | wolfez | petn-randall: Im running debian xfce, and when i ant to edit th sound in xfce i gat the error: |
| 14:34.42 | petn-randall | wolfez: Use http://paste.debian.net to show us any error messages. |
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| 14:34.47 | wolfez | Gstreamer was unable to found any sound cards or |
| 14:34.55 | wolfez | it is a permission problem |
| 14:35.21 | petn-randall | wolfez: Paste the complete error to http://paste.debian.net, then we can have a look. |
| 14:35.25 | wolfez | petn-randall: Thats the error |
| 14:35.36 | wolfez | GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem. |
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| 14:36.37 | petn-randall | wolfez: I see. And the error shows up when you want to change the sound effects in xfce? |
| 14:36.52 | wolfez | petn-randall: Yes. |
| 14:38.00 | _martin | when executing "hostname fesnas -v" the hostname should be set |
| 14:38.11 | _martin | but with hostname -f I'll get hostname unkown |
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| 14:40.05 | wolfez | petn-randall: What to do? |
| 14:40.57 | petn-randall | wolfez: This may help you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73446 |
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| 14:42.21 | _martin | ah damnit i should have set hostname to localhost.... |
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| 14:43.06 | petn-randall | _martin: What? No. |
| 14:43.46 | petn-randall | _martin: Set it to whatever hostname you have given to the machine. You have to do it as root. It'll then show up in /etc/hostname after that. |
| 14:44.02 | jarshvor | hi, is anybody familiar with NBD? i cant seem to get my client to connect to the server using the "newstyle" method. I've looked thru the configs and mans but still no luck. Must be doing something wrong |
| 14:44.04 | _martin | I did but it only works with localhost |
| 14:44.32 | _martin | petn-randall maybe this is diffrent under debian sarge... |
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| 14:46.27 | lispghost | can I install pulseaudio using apt-get install pluseaudio? |
| 14:46.57 | lispghost | the pulseaudio manager |
| 14:47.58 | robert5 | When the power goes out, I see "entering disabled state" which is killing the network. What package is power saving / killing the network? http://pastebin.com/k5gsRAGr |
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| 14:48.42 | format_c | robert5, maybe the laptop-mode-tools |
| 14:48.54 | _martin | so now apt-get dist-upgrade works |
| 14:49.07 | format_c | Check /etc/laptop-mode-tools directory. There are lots of tweaking possiblities. |
| 14:49.15 | _martin | can I upgrade from sarge directly to lenny? |
| 14:49.19 | robert5 | format_c: I'll see if that is installed |
| 14:49.22 | _martin | or better upgrade to etch? |
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| 14:51.33 | TheWarden | hi |
| 14:52.01 | robert5 | format_c: I don't have that installed but I do have powermgmt-base |
| 14:52.04 | wdouglass | _martin: i would update to etch, and keep on walking until i got to wheezy |
| 14:52.14 | _martin | ok thanks wdouglass |
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| 14:52.23 | Mattix | Hello |
| 14:52.24 | wdouglass | _martin: although it is a little dangerous...there's a lot that can go wrong with dist-upgrade...make good backups |
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| 14:52.41 | TheWarden | for some reason my server /var has no disk space left. Any suggestions? |
| 14:52.42 | maroloccio | hi. :) i would like to suppress output like this from bulk apt-get installs: "chromium is already the newest version." |
| 14:53.05 | _martin | wdouglass I'm working on a VM ;) |
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| 14:53.27 | wdouglass | _martin: haha ok so i guess there's not that much risk...snapshots are your friend |
| 14:53.43 | _martin | yep |
| 14:54.25 | TheWarden | I should have gave way more space but I have 2.8 gigs and I've only been able to get it down to 99%. This is breaking the server since things can't run. |
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| 14:54.59 | Mattix | if I stop using the computer for a minute the screen goes black... what should I check to fix it? I don't think it's something I enabled since sometime it doesn't happen at all! |
| 14:55.09 | Mattix | sometimes it's after 15 minutes, etc |
| 14:55.35 | Mattix | (kde btw) |
| 14:56.14 | anonnumberanon | also try the #kde |
| 14:57.03 | woshty | maroloccio: apt-get install foo | grep -v "is already the newest version." |
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| 14:58.29 | _martin | so after apt-get dist-upgrade and replacing the old source.list with the new from etch shouldn't I do apt-get update AND _apt-get upgrade_? |
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| 15:03.49 | aguitel | why cannot view panoramia photos in google earth ? |
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| 15:08.13 | petn-randall | _martin: Upgrading is only supported from one release to the next. sarge hasn't been supported since I don't know when. Maybe it's easier to just re-install and put Wheezy on the machine. |
| 15:08.21 | petn-randall | aguitel: Ask google. |
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| 15:10.02 | petn-randall | _martin: Your upgrade path would be sarge → etch → lenny → squeeze → wheezy, dunno if it's worth the trouble. |
| 15:11.21 | _martin | petn-randall thanks. new install is not possible on the nas because I got no serial interface |
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| 15:11.51 | maroloccio | woshty: thank you. that seems to take something away from my ability to answer prompt questions interactively... |
| 15:12.00 | ksk | _martin: didnt read everything, but if its a kind of embedded device it may not be smart to upgrade the debian running on it |
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| 15:15.13 | wdouglass | hey guys, i use ssh tunnels to a raspberry pi on my network at home to get at stuff like file servers. would it be more secure to set up a proper vpn, using PPTP or similar? |
| 15:16.54 | Desert_eagle | wdouglass, no |
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| 15:17.13 | wdouglass | Desert_eagle: less secure? or the same? |
| 15:17.24 | Desert_eagle | same imho |
| 15:17.28 | wdouglass | Desert_eagle: thanks |
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| 15:18.02 | jelly | wdouglass: pptp is probably LESS secure unless you take great care to configure it properly. openvpn is the common choice. |
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| 15:18.42 | wdouglass | jelly: cool thanks |
| 15:18.54 | Desert_eagle | ssh is secure enough for everything |
| 15:19.05 | Desert_eagle | as far as if secure to manage servers)) |
| 15:19.30 | Desert_eagle | so you could use openvpn if its more usable for you |
| 15:19.34 | petn-randall | ... unless you use SSH from Debian in 2006 :) |
| 15:19.38 | Desert_eagle | but not cause it more secure |
| 15:20.04 | wdouglass | Desert_eagle: thanks...i've been using ssh for a while, and i've been happy with it. but my wife is not very computer literate and uses a windows machine, and it may be easier for her to use a vpn then ssh to get at photos, etc. |
| 15:20.32 | ksk | openvpn should be your choice then imho |
| 15:20.36 | thrip | wdouglass: or install PuTTY and setup a profile for the server in question |
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| 15:21.02 | wdouglass | thrip: hadn't thought of putty :) |
| 15:21.04 | crane_work | boblee, still there? |
| 15:21.11 | wdouglass | ksk: thanks |
| 15:21.27 | crane_work | boblee, i try to define this in my conf crlDistributionPoints = URI:$crl_url |
| 15:21.39 | crane_work | but it's not written into my ca |
| 15:22.14 | boblee | wakes up |
| 15:22.22 | crane_work | :) |
| 15:23.33 | petn-randall | wdouglass: openvpn-gui is windows & novice compatible, I can't vouch for putty. |
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| 15:23.57 | wdouglass | petn-randall: thanks! it's on my list. looks like i've got quite a bit of reading to do! |
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| 15:25.53 | boblee | crane_work: http://tinyurl.com/pd34ssb |
| 15:26.16 | crane_work | boblee, read that link allready... :( |
| 15:26.28 | crane_work | tried option 1 |
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| 15:27.03 | boblee | can you pastebin your conf and cmd |
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| 15:27.50 | crane_work | boblee, i have to take my train... i'll be back in one hour when i'm home. i guess you'll still be here? |
| 15:28.48 | boblee | will be around |
| 15:28.57 | crane_work | is happy |
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| 15:29.11 | crane_work | thx dude, i'll be back soon *evil grin* ^^ |
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| 15:33.38 | jarshvor | anybody got any NBD experience? i get Child exited with 1 from the server |
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| 15:37.14 | ChrisH | jarshvor: NDB as in MySQL Cluster? |
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| 15:38.12 | jarshvor | ChrisH: oops... sorry there typo. I meant NBD..as in Network Block Device |
| 15:38.29 | jarshvor | ChrisH: i apologize for my dislexia |
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| 15:39.33 | ChrisH | jarshvor: sad... with NDB I maybe would be useful, but NBD... no idea. But paste the full story on paste.debian.net maybe someone else has more ideas |
| 15:39.52 | jarshvor | ok thanks ChrisH: ;) |
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| 15:42.08 | BaT | How NBD differs from DRBD? |
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| 15:44.13 | petn-randall | BaT: Different letters. |
| 15:44.59 | BaT | That explains! |
| 15:45.39 | jarshvor | NBD troubleshooting pastebin here http://paste.debian.net/plainh/24222cd4 |
| 15:46.10 | TheWarden | argh there must be something I can do to remove from var or add more space to var in order to get things working again. |
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| 15:46.55 | petn-randall | TheWarden: What happened? apt-get clean will dump any package caches it has. |
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| 15:48.23 | TheWarden | petn-randall: I'm not sure but I have 100% space used for /var. I did some cleaning and got it only to 99% used. I tried that, didn't make a difference. |
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| 15:49.01 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Is /var are separate partition, or a LV from LVM? |
| 15:49.18 | petn-randall | TheWarden: If the disk has more space, you can always grow the filesystem online. |
| 15:49.42 | zerick | TheWarden, type a find /var -size +100000 -exec ls -shlt {} \; |
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| 15:49.56 | zerick | find the big files |
| 15:50.30 | TheWarden | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ab7f88488ba1eebaf4a7 |
| 15:51.08 | jordanm | zerick, 100K is big? |
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| 15:51.33 | zerick | jordanm, that's 100M |
| 15:52.09 | zerick | well you have a very small /var indeed |
| 15:52.12 | jordanm | zerick, `b' for 512-byte blocks (this is the default if no suffix is used) |
| 15:52.38 | jordanm | 100000 / 1024 = 97.65625KB |
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| 15:53.09 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Ouch. Why did you give all those partition so tiny space? |
| 15:53.14 | TheWarden | zerick: I did that "find /var -size +100000 -exec ls -shlt {};" but it gives me find: missing argument to `-exec` |
| 15:53.33 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Disk space is cheep, verything below 3 GB is madness IMO. |
| 15:53.51 | TheWarden | petn-randall: I don't know what the heck I was thinking. stupid. I should have put less in /home and more in /var. |
| 15:53.57 | petn-randall | s/verything/everything/ |
| 15:54.10 | zerick | TheWarden, you miss the \; at the end, and as jordanm said (I miss one zero) it is +1000000 instead |
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| 15:54.20 | petn-randall | TheWarden: For a desktop system, give / ~ 20 GB and then a separate /home. |
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| 15:54.42 | TheWarden | zerick: oh okay, well I tried that and it didn't make a difference. same error. |
| 15:54.43 | zerick | it will print file bigger than 100MB, you can custom that.. whatever you have on /var |
| 15:54.47 | petn-randall | TheWarden: You can remove stuff that occupies /var, but you'll have to migrate that partition somewhere anyway. |
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| 15:56.05 | kresp0 | Hi all. I'm having problems with vsftpd: If I chroot a user, vsftpd lists all directories as empty. If I remove the chroot, then it works. What should I do to debug this? |
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| 15:57.03 | TheWarden | petn-randall: how do you mean? |
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| 15:58.35 | R0SSI | I want to install X3DNA: http://forum.x3dna.org/howtos/how-to-install-3dna-on-linux-and-windows/ -> I've followed the instruction but I don't know how to run it in terminal?! |
| 15:58.37 | R0SSI | X3DNA -> command not found |
| 15:58.37 | R0SSI | X3DNA/bin$ -> bash: /home/xiangun/x3dna-v2.1/bin: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.37 | R0SSI | Is it because of "xiangun"? -> It's mentioned in the above instroction! |
| 15:58.48 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Assuming this is a desktop machine, 2.8 GB for /var is pretty small. So you'll have to migrate the system/re-install in the long run, anyway. |
| 15:59.40 | TheWarden | petn-randall: yeah that's what I figured and its not a desktop but a server. argh... I need to get rid of this system anyways but this is not the time. I don't have the replacement ready. |
| 16:00.07 | zerick | kresp0, but what's the problem? |
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| 16:01.54 | TheWarden | petn-randall: what's your rule of thumb of spacing for each partition? As I was told in the past that I didn't need much space in / on another server and it only has 324 megabytes with 95% used. I can't apply the kernel update lol. So I was gonna redo this server and replace the one with 100% used in /var/ as I mentioned previously. |
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| 16:02.48 | petn-randall | TheWarden: As I said, disk space is dirt cheap nowadays. There's no reason to have less than 20 GB for the OS on a full-blown server. |
| 16:02.51 | ivek | hello to all |
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| 16:03.16 | petn-randall | TheWarden: If you want to play safe, you just have ~500 MB for /boot, then put the rest on LVM, so you can enlarge the filesystems on-the-fly. |
| 16:03.34 | zzing | I have just updated to jessie from stable, and it says "volume group "socr1" not found, then the volume socr1/root so it cannot find the drives to boot. I am bumped into initramfs prompt, I only have /dev/mapper/control, but when I run lvm and pvs it finds exactly the volumes that should be there. Is there something I am not seeing? |
| 16:03.37 | kresp0 | zerick: the problem was that vsftp was listing directories as empty. Restarted vsftpd and now it works ok with chroot. Thank you! |
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| 16:04.17 | TheWarden | petn-randall: never done LVM I guess I should setup that up then when I redo this. 20GB for the OS what do you mean? 20GB for /, /dev. /tmp, /usr and /var combined? |
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| 16:05.52 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Yes. /dev is a devtmpfs, so it takes no disk space. If you're not splitting /var, /srv or others onto different filesystems, I'd go for at least 20 GB. Just because it's not worth the trouble. |
| 16:05.53 | mumpitzel | TheWarden: at most, use a separate partition for /home, everything else: single partition |
| 16:06.15 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Though with LVM you can be more conservative and just add disk space to the end when needed. |
| 16:06.48 | TheWarden | mumpitzel: I've always been told and taught to have separate partitions for each. |
| 16:06.56 | mumpitzel | TheWarden: 10 years ago maybe |
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| 16:07.06 | TheWarden | petn-randall: do you agree with mumpitzel statement to make all one partition except for the /home? |
| 16:07.21 | mumpitzel | TheWarden: not even /home needs to be on its own partition |
| 16:07.45 | sixxy | I've installed debian on my laptop but the firmware is missing ...the card is intel 2200bg ...can I download it from another pc and install it on my laptop afterwards? |
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| 16:07.58 | petn-randall | TheWarden: I have /home on a separate partition on my desktop machine. On my root server it's all one partition except /boot. |
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| 16:08.04 | petn-randall | TheWarden: So I agree, yes. |
| 16:08.07 | TheWarden | mumpitzel: well I could make it all one partition I suppose I don't care, I just thought its best to do this to keep things isolated and then have LVM to aid in expanded areas with more space if necessary. |
| 16:08.14 | sixxy | another pc.. being a non debian distro? |
| 16:08.36 | petn-randall | sixxy: If you have network cable inet access, you can simply install it with your package manager. |
| 16:08.41 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay, so do you use LVM then with all in one parition? |
| 16:09.05 | sixxy | petn-randall: I dont. I'm tetherthing with wifi on my andriod phone |
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| 16:09.18 | sixxy | tethering* |
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| 16:10.03 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Well, 3. /boot, / and /home. |
| 16:10.08 | zzing | It appears my lvm group was deactivated, is there any reason why this might have happened? |
| 16:10.33 | TheWarden | petn-randall: mmm okay, I guess I best hurry on this one. |
| 16:11.23 | petn-randall | TheWarden: I've got /boot as the first partition, everything else is in a luks crypt, on top of that LVM, and then the single LVs. |
| 16:12.07 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay, but in my case here this is server use though would you do any different? I don't need crypt I would think. |
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| 16:13.38 | petn-randall | TheWarden: If you don't have any special backup needs, and you know the amount of disks will always stay the same, one big partition for all will be enough. |
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| 16:14.04 | petn-randall | TheWarden: You can put LVM in between if you want to keep the possibility to change the size of e.g. swap. |
| 16:14.26 | TheWarden | petn-randall: mm okay, I'll have to figure out how to do this then. thanks. |
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| 16:22.59 | sixxy | Is there no way to download the firmware manually and install it on my debian pc...so I can use my wifi card? |
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| 16:28.21 | thrip | sixxy: which card? |
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| 16:29.10 | thrip | sixxy: |
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| 16:29.35 | thrip | if you know which card you have, then you may be able to install firmware from the repositories |
| 16:30.57 | thrip | i have successfully compiled and installed python 3.3 on wheezy |
| 16:31.07 | thrip | first issue i am noticing: |
| 16:31.23 | thrip | i seem to have lost arrow up/history feature |
| 16:32.13 | thrip | works fine for the repository installs of 2.6/2.7/3.2 |
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| 16:40.24 | sixxy | thrip : intel 2200bg card |
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| 16:41.42 | sixxy | Didn't if I need just the firmware or whether it needed a dependency too |
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| 16:42.38 | thrip | what OS? |
| 16:42.58 | amkamkamk | hi guys; why are some devices mounted into /media/root and how can I make them accessible by normal users? |
| 16:43.11 | amkamkamk | I did my research, but findings are few and far between |
| 16:44.33 | thrip | sixxy: if on debian try http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 ? |
| 16:45.19 | amkamkamk | I don't remember updating anything, when mounting stopped working with tinymount; now mounting is all finicky, I can't just mount stuff, need to do sudo, thunar is doesn't mount either |
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| 16:45.37 | krajs | hello! Any one got a compiled and already working libfish.so for deiban? 64bit |
| 16:45.42 | krajs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.44 | krajs | debian* |
| 16:45.50 | amkamkamk | been googling for a few days now, nothing obvious is to be seen |
| 16:46.15 | wojtas | The user option allows normal users to mount the device |
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| 16:46.53 | amkamkamk | wojtas: what do you mean by user option? |
| 16:46.58 | amkamkamk | as in groups? plugdev? |
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| 16:48.34 | wojtas | amkamkamk: you want to make to mount by user, right ? |
| 16:49.09 | amkamkamk | accessible to all actually; it used to work, but stopped |
| 16:49.23 | krajs | Anyone on irssi and blowfish in here? |
| 16:49.39 | amkamkamk | the closest to mounting sdcards/usb drives is that they appear in /media/root/; before, they just appeared in /media/* |
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| 16:54.56 | sixxy | Thanks thrip |
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| 16:58.42 | doo-doo | i am taking a dump. |
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| 16:59.14 | bazhang | !ops | doo-doo |
| 16:59.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | doo-doo |
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| 17:00.03 | peterS | nah he probably means using dumpe2fs |
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| 17:04.02 | ooxmoe | hi |
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| 17:05.27 | jarshvor | any NDB gurus/users? |
| 17:06.52 | Sevet | jarshvor: mysql cluster? |
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| 17:07.40 | jarshvor | no Network Block Device.... =) not the first one here to think i was talking about msql database |
| 17:07.50 | jarshvor | Sevet: but thanks |
| 17:08.04 | Sevet | ah ok :) |
| 17:08.45 | peterS | ah if you mean NBD don't spell it NDB (: |
| 17:09.12 | jarshvor | peterS: true.... apologies for my dispexia :S |
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| 17:09.39 | jarshvor | edit- need help with NBD. Network Block Device |
| 17:10.00 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, it seems that debian has gone overr to the thunar way of saving/loading i.e. /media/user/foomatic |
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| 17:11.58 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, that now being the defauilt, you'll need to amen your scripts an d pathways too |
| 17:12.06 | boudiccas | amend |
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| 17:13.17 | ooxmoe | if i have 2 users (userA & userB) in a box can i grant SSH access only to one (userB) of them? in sshd_config i can oly find the PermitRoot flag, there's nothing about user based access limitation |
| 17:13.21 | ooxmoe | any clue? |
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| 17:13.37 | ooxmoe | *only |
| 17:13.48 | alice1 | hello. i have problem with the installation. anyone have time and will to help? |
| 17:14.18 | boudiccas | alice1, tell us what the problem is |
| 17:14.55 | alice1 | it work fine until it comes to grub installation...it wont install.. i tryed to install lilo instead but also doesnt want |
| 17:15.14 | alice1 | The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. /// this is what i get |
| 17:15.20 | boudiccas | alice1, what /exactly/ are you trying to install? |
| 17:15.27 | ksk | ooxmoe: yes you can do that, kinda easily. google or usem an sshd |
| 17:15.32 | alice1 | debian |
| 17:15.41 | alice1 | 7.0 version with xfce |
| 17:15.43 | alice1 | from usb stick |
| 17:15.46 | ksk | or use "man sshd_config" i wanted to say. "AllowUsers" is what you are looking for |
| 17:15.52 | ooxmoe | alice1: is it an 'empty' disk? (aka "can you erase it or do you have other partitions?) |
| 17:16.01 | boudiccas | alice1, clap, clap! we /know/ its debian, but which version? |
| 17:16.19 | ooxmoe | ksk: whats 'usem' ? |
| 17:16.21 | alice1 | i just downloaded last night i never used debian before... i used xubuntu |
| 17:16.31 | ooxmoe | ah ok |
| 17:16.58 | alice1 | i have one partition with data that i left to save and other partitions i created... one swap 1gb and 400gb ext4 / |
| 17:17.07 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: so what changed in the meanwhile? which script do you mean? |
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| 17:17.40 | dioz | i love people who do //this// |
| 17:18.12 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, i had the same problem yesterday, and working with babilen that was the final decision. its changed to /media/user/foo |
| 17:18.27 | ooxmoe | ksk: good, i found it. it's just the option i needed! thanks! |
| 17:18.44 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: ok, glad it's not only me |
| 17:19.25 | krajs | wrong ELF class: |
| 17:19.26 | krajs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:19.27 | krajs | wtf? :D |
| 17:19.29 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: so if I have to sudo to mount something, how do I make it accessible to other users? where should I be looking for a solution/tewak? |
| 17:19.40 | krajs | do i try to run a 64bit code/program on a 32bit system? |
| 17:19.42 | ooxmoe | alice1: ah. so erasing the beginning of the disk is out of the options (you could have lose the other partitions) |
| 17:19.56 | alice1 | yes |
| 17:19.57 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, make them owned by the user, i.e. chown it |
| 17:20.25 | amkamkamk | you mean on /dev/device level or the /media/folder? |
| 17:20.31 | amkamkamk | because the latter I already tried |
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| 17:20.53 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, /media/user/foo level |
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| 17:21.09 | ooxmoe | alice1: you said you installed everything else and only grub isnt installing, right? |
| 17:21.29 | alice1 | everything till the grub part |
| 17:21.50 | ooxmoe | alice1: so jump the grub part (for now) |
| 17:22.06 | ooxmoe | alice1: what's next the grub part? |
| 17:22.10 | alice1 | can i install it later then somehow |
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| 17:22.37 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: chown: changing ownership of ‘/media/root/ASD’: Operation not permitted |
| 17:22.51 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, do it as sudo |
| 17:22.52 | ooxmoe | alice1: you can choose "Continue without boot loader" and then when installation is finished you can install grub using a livecd |
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| 17:23.13 | alice1 | ok. could you give me some instructions to install it then_ |
| 17:23.13 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: I did it with sudo as in 'sudo chown user:group /media/*' |
| 17:24.00 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, try 'sudo chown -R user: /media/user/foo' |
| 17:24.13 | alice1 | i finished installation without grub now. what's next step? |
| 17:24.27 | ooxmoe | (i'm not 100 sure) you have to boot with a livecd |
| 17:24.48 | alice1 | i am already on live cd |
| 17:25.08 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: the same result |
| 17:25.09 | ooxmoe | alice1: press F2 or F3 to get a shell |
| 17:25.40 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, well i dont know what you're doing as it works here |
| 17:25.49 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: I see |
| 17:26.02 | alice1 | nothing happens |
| 17:26.17 | alice1 | can i open normal terminal_ |
| 17:26.29 | ooxmoe | alice1: press enter, then try to type update-grub and then install-grub, to see if these commands are installed |
| 17:26.33 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: thanks anyway; can you tell me what is the software that governs this behavious? the new 'user' addition |
| 17:27.01 | ooxmoe | alice1: you have to see something like "Please press Enter to activate this console." |
| 17:27.01 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, try cut and paste it to ensure you get everything in the right place |
| 17:27.06 | alice1 | commands not foudn |
| 17:27.10 | alice1 | found |
| 17:27.17 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, no idea, sorry |
| 17:27.32 | alice1 | nothing happens when i press f2 or f3 |
| 17:28.01 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: I think the syntax is correct: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cuZVUCpR |
| 17:28.02 | ooxmoe | alice1: just go back to the gui screen (with alt+F1) |
| 17:28.12 | alice1 | i am |
| 17:28.58 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, look carefully at what i wrote, you're missing the : |
| 17:29.01 | ooxmoe | alice1: wait, have you see the shell before, with alt+F2 |
| 17:29.03 | ooxmoe | ? |
| 17:29.07 | alice1 | no |
| 17:29.28 | alice1 | alt f2 gives me run a program |
| 17:29.28 | amkamkamk | I tried it just now, iwth the group, same think; |
| 17:29.34 | ooxmoe | alice1: are you in graphical mode (with mouse ) or in text mode installation? |
| 17:29.48 | alice1 | graphical |
| 17:30.07 | ooxmoe | alice1: what livecd are you using ? isnt that the debian install cd? |
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| 17:30.26 | alice1 | it is but on usb |
| 17:31.03 | ooxmoe | ah, ok. try ctrl+alt+F3 (or +F2) |
| 17:31.14 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, try this http://paste.debian.net/15188/ |
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| 17:32.17 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: indeed this is a new syntax I didn't know; thanks; however, still the same result |
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| 17:32.59 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, and you're cut and paste the second line in the pastebin that i just posted? |
| 17:33.11 | ooxmoe | alice11: ah, ok. try ctrl+alt+F3 (or +F2) |
| 17:33.15 | alice11 | ok after alt f2 the blue screen appeard and i cant get out of it |
| 17:33.20 | alice11 | i'm now on old laptop |
| 17:33.26 | sickn3ss | Hello, can anyone help me with a small SSH issue? I want to allow ssh to send the blacklisted keys, however, every time I get something like "blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)); refusing to send it". I have edited the sshd_conf and added "PermitBlacklistedKeys yes" however without luck. |
| 17:33.30 | alice11 | i cant get out not even with alt f7 |
| 17:33.30 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: yes |
| 17:33.36 | sickn3ss | I know this is insecure, this is for demonstration purposes only |
| 17:33.39 | alice11 | ctrl alt f7* |
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| 17:33.48 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, please paste it to debian.paste.net |
| 17:34.34 | ooxmoe | alice11: try "ctrl+alt+F1 , then alt+F1 then alt+leftarrow and again alt+leftarrow" |
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| 17:34.59 | alice11 | nothing happend |
| 17:35.02 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/181d713b/ |
| 17:35.09 | robert5 | Has anyone installed the kernel back port? http://pastebin.com/g5wcDDHe Any idea whats wrong? |
| 17:35.26 | ooxmoe | alice11: cant you reboot ? |
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| 17:35.33 | alice11 | that i can |
| 17:35.43 | alice11 | with the power button... |
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| 17:35.57 | ooxmoe | but have you chosen "finish install. without boot loader" ? |
| 17:36.12 | alice11 | yes |
| 17:36.23 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, is /media/root/ASD/ mounted? it wont work if its not mounted |
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| 17:36.42 | ImaLamer | what mixer can i use with i3wm |
| 17:36.48 | ooxmoe | alice11: ah, it ok. now reboot via livecd/usb and choose "expert install" |
| 17:37.16 | ooxmoe | *it's |
| 17:37.27 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: yes it is, I can browse the device if I use sudo |
| 17:37.48 | trysten | how would i execute the current line in the shell |
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| 17:38.02 | ooxmoe | alice11: then choose the non graphic installation. |
| 17:38.13 | alice11 | just a sec |
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| 17:38.48 | alice11 | there is no expert install |
| 17:39.02 | alice11 | i have just default, back, live, graphical install, hardware detection tool |
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| 17:39.08 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, last idea, try chowning it with use as 'root', by using 'su' |
| 17:39.12 | boudiccas | user |
| 17:39.35 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: you mean as actual root? |
| 17:39.41 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, yes |
| 17:39.46 | ooxmoe | alice11: choose "live" |
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| 17:40.03 | alice11 | its booting |
| 17:40.25 | ooxmoe | alice11: when the system complete the boot, you need to open a termina window and type "su" |
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| 17:40.37 | Xmode | Right after I have applied a patch to a kernel and I have issued the command "make menuconfig", while I am looking at the ncurses menu and setting the options relating to this patch before compiling, is it acceptable for me to go into other sections of the ncurses menu options and make changes for other general settings at the same time? |
| 17:41.00 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: same result; thanks for your time; any other pointer to where to look for these rules? |
| 17:41.17 | alice11 | will i need internet on it? |
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| 17:41.47 | ooxmoe | alice11: no, if the grub tools are already in the live usb |
| 17:42.08 | alice11 | ok. i typed su and it ask me for password? |
| 17:42.12 | ooxmoe | alice11: you can skip net config |
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| 17:42.38 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, this is what i did sudo chown -R boudiccas: /media/boudiccas/Spare |
| 17:42.54 | ooxmoe | alice11: ah, ok. so you have to use "sudo" instead. press ctrl+c and then type "sudo bash" |
| 17:42.54 | alice11 | how you mean skip net config? where? |
| 17:43.10 | alice11 | i did |
| 17:43.17 | alice11 | what now? |
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| 17:43.29 | ooxmoe | alice11: it doesnt matter. the important thing is that you can access a shell/terminal |
| 17:43.39 | alice11 | it wrote the usage of sudo |
| 17:43.53 | ooxmoe | alice11: type "id" |
| 17:44.04 | alice11 | ok what now? |
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| 17:45.05 | ooxmoe | alice11: do you get "uid=0(root)" as a reply from "id" ? |
| 17:45.12 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, did you log on as root after you booted? |
| 17:45.14 | alice11 | no |
| 17:45.25 | alice11 | uid=1000(user) i get |
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| 17:45.40 | ooxmoe | alice11: havent you typed "sudo bash" ? |
| 17:45.41 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: ever? or by default? be default I'm a regular user |
| 17:45.55 | alice11 | ok now i get it xd |
| 17:46.04 | alice11 | uid is root |
| 17:46.10 | ooxmoe | alice11: good. |
| 17:46.29 | ooxmoe | alice11: now type "fdisk -l" and see if you can recognize your disk |
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| 17:46.51 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, so $USER logs on, and machine mounts as /media/root/foo? right, because i dont understand why it doesn't work. what version of debian? |
| 17:46.55 | alice11 | sda1 |
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| 17:47.39 | ooxmoe | alice11: do you only see "sda" partitions ? (like sda1 sda2 etcetera .. ) |
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| 17:47.46 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: unstable, machine mounts harddrives correctly; but the only way to mount usb drives/sdcards is to elevate the permission system of the mounting tool |
| 17:48.05 | alice11 | yes and down is sdb of my stick on which i run live cd |
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| 17:48.26 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, i'm on testing, try asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:48.32 | amkamkamk | thanks |
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| 17:49.02 | ooxmoe | alice11: ok, so if you're sure sda is the destination disk just try "grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 17:49.38 | alice11 | command not found |
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| 17:50.05 | ooxmoe | alice11: try "ls -li /usr/sbin/grub-install" |
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| 17:50.29 | ooxmoe | alice11: does it exist? |
| 17:50.32 | alice11 | no |
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| 17:50.48 | ooxmoe | alice11: oh |
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| 17:51.21 | alice11 | that sounds bad :( |
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| 17:52.40 | Ontological | I feel like a fool, but I can't figure out why this is blocking my HTTPS/SSH connections: http://pastie.org/private/tt5osnej978aec9567jkxa |
| 17:52.41 | ooxmoe | alice11: start the installation and complete: "choose language", "select keyb. layout", "Detect and mount CD-ROM", "load installer components from CD" and then go back to the terminal you've used until now and you should find "grub-install" |
| 17:53.21 | alice11 | how u mean i should find it? |
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| 17:54.06 | ooxmoe | alice11: remember you've to arrive to "load installer components from CD" and not further (since you dont want to really reinstall it, since you've already done it) |
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| 17:54.24 | alice11 | ok |
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| 17:54.59 | alice11 | it did. what now? to try install grub command again? |
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| 17:55.07 | zero_coder | hello |
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| 17:55.32 | ooxmoe | alice11: the step "load installer components from CD" serves to make some addictional tools available to the installation program. by doing so you too are able to use them. those tools, i belive, contains also grub-install |
| 17:55.42 | boudiccas | amkamkamk, from memory there was 'mount' upgraded yesterday,maybe thats hwen it was changed |
| 17:55.45 | alice11 | ok |
| 17:55.55 | alice11 | its finished. what now? |
| 17:56.04 | zero_coder | i have got the image file of wheezy raspbian . now how can store it in a memory card and boot my laptop form it? |
| 17:56.04 | rhalff_tc | hi, any channel I can go for questions about debian live? I'm running it now from a usbstick, but I easily want to add some packages to the image itself. |
| 17:56.22 | ooxmoe | alice11: is the file there ? |
| 17:56.46 | alice11 | how can i know that? xd |
| 17:57.02 | Ontological | Can someone check out my iptables rules and help me figure out why 22/443 is being dropped? http://pastie.org/private/tt5osnej978aec9567jkxa |
| 17:57.14 | ooxmoe | alice11: i'm installing debian too. I've just noticed that in the installation it is called "grub-installer" instead of grub-install |
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| 17:57.37 | alice11 | ok. so what i need to do? :/ |
| 17:57.39 | ooxmoe | alice11: you can know with "ls -li /usr/sbin/grub-install" |
| 17:57.55 | amkamkamk | boudiccas: thanks |
| 17:57.59 | alice11 | its not there |
| 17:58.25 | wojtas | Ontological: show me iptables-save |
| 17:58.27 | ooxmoe | alice11: try to type "grub-installer" |
| 17:58.34 | boudiccas | alice11, is grub-installer there? |
| 17:58.37 | alice11 | i did its same |
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| 17:58.52 | alice11 | no such file or dir |
| 17:58.53 | HelenaKitty | I compiled a kernel, I want to know where the heck I copy it's image to. :/ |
| 17:58.55 | ooxmoe | alice11: (NOT "grub-install" but "grub-installer" ) |
| 17:58.57 | HelenaKitty | I use grub. |
| 17:59.08 | alice11 | i tryed it its same |
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| 17:59.40 | ooxmoe | alice11: try to just type it (without "ls -li" ) |
| 17:59.59 | alice11 | no such file or dir |
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| 18:00.22 | zero_coder | hello |
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| 18:00.55 | ooxmoe | alice11: i'm sorry. i dont know |
| 18:01.03 | boudiccas | zero_coder, try asking in #raspbian, thats the channel specifically for raspian |
| 18:01.06 | ooxmoe | alice11: cant you use another livecd ? |
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| 18:01.35 | alice11 | i can try to download it tonight... i have unlimited internet only after midnight :( |
| 18:01.39 | HelenaKitty | Guys? |
| 18:01.41 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 18:02.20 | alice11 | thanks for trying ooxmoe ;) |
| 18:02.22 | HelenaKitty | The README file that came with the kernel only applies to LILO. |
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| 18:04.08 | Ontological | wojtas: I just showed you the commands, man |
| 18:04.09 | ooxmoe | alice11: ok. so when you'll have it you can simply try "grub-install /dev/sda" and then "update-grub" then you reboot and it should work |
| 18:04.19 | Ontological | wojtas: And I can't give you that information, as it dc's me from my server |
| 18:04.39 | alice11 | ok thx. i'll try |
| 18:05.06 | Frederick | guys im running rsyslog 4.6.4-2~bpo50+1 in debian 5 I have an issue when it comes to the logroatting momment where rsyslog does not update its file descriptor so the new rsyslog file is generated black and does not recieve data from the process, restarting rsyslog seem to fix the issue |
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| 18:05.14 | xorred | guys, I can't install php-pear: http://piratepad.net/o0kIZEHe8A |
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| 18:06.22 | wojtas | Ontological: i see them, read abut -A -I, the rules are match from top to button |
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| 18:07.34 | ooxmoe | is there a way to make tasksel install xfce instead of gnome during the installation? if i choose to install "Desktop" in the options it automatically installs gnome, how can i change that ? |
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| 18:08.09 | jordanm | ooxmoe, advanced options on the boot screen of the installer allows you change the meaning of "desktop" |
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| 18:08.46 | LovelyPenguin | Hello |
| 18:08.55 | ooxmoe | jordanm: doh! do i have to restart the running installation ? no way to change it now? |
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| 18:09.18 | cheeser12 | (hopefully) quick question here: I can't install libgif4:i386 because it conflicts with libgif4 (the 64bit version), anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 18:09.26 | jordanm | ooxmoe, unfortunately, there is no way I know of to change it during installation |
| 18:09.31 | xorred | guys.. I managed to install php-pear |
| 18:09.35 | xorred | now I get the error |
| 18:09.44 | xorred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.52 | ooxmoe | jordanm: thanks |
| 18:09.57 | xorred | what do I need to install to make php work? |
| 18:10.05 | xorred | I have installed php5 and php5-cgi |
| 18:10.14 | xorred | it is still nto working, still no /usr/bin/php |
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| 18:10.20 | jordanm | ,depends php-pear |
| 18:10.21 | judd | Package php-pear in wheezy/i386 -- depends: php5-common (>= 5.4.4-14+deb7u2), php5-cli. |
| 18:10.41 | jordanm | xorred, you need php5-cli, which should have came with php-pear |
| 18:10.43 | xorred | php5-common is already there |
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| 18:10.58 | xorred | cli installing now... |
| 18:11.10 | jordanm | xorred, you didn't install php-pear via the package? |
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| 18:11.47 | LovelyPenguin | Can someone please tell me the appropriate commands to run in order to safely update all parts of debian using aptitude? |
| 18:11.48 | xorred | php-pear was with apt-get... :( |
| 18:11.56 | xorred | sh: phpize: command not found is what happens after installing php-cli |
| 18:12.00 | Th0masR0ss | o |
| 18:12.09 | xorred | I am trying to install memcache using pecl install memcache |
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| 18:12.25 | Th0masR0ss | !tell LovelyPenguin about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 18:12.42 | jordanm | xorred, pastebin: apt-cache policy php-pear php5-cli |
| 18:12.50 | Frederick | Ive found this report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676215 but I seem to miss where 5.8.1-1 changelog is located |
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| 18:13.24 | ooxmoe | what is the lighter and faster for a 686 machine? lxde or xfce ? |
| 18:13.27 | Frederick | duh just found it above ¬¬ |
| 18:13.44 | LovelyPenguin | Th0masR0ss, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:13.49 | ee4now | hello all, my question is this, i have mounted via vfat usb harddrive, everything works as expected, except i have a "file" in a folder that can not be delete, when i ls -ls the dir, i get a file named "B." that has ??????? for permissions, and when i try to rm it, it sais file or dir not found |
| 18:13.52 | eax | Most recommend alternative to xterm? |
| 18:14.10 | Th0masR0ss | LovelyPenguin: read what dpkg sent you |
| 18:14.20 | ooxmoe | !tell me about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:14.21 | Th0masR0ss | do what dpkg says |
| 18:14.29 | mrvisser | hey, I'm trying to create a debian package for a nodejs project, with its binaries all pre-build. however the debuild process is barfing on the binaries when I try and upload a new version to the PPA (we already have one version available). Any idea the best way to accomplish this? |
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| 18:14.40 | xorred | jordanm: I am fixing this now, now the error is different |
| 18:14.48 | Th0masR0ss | ooxmoe: use /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:14.52 | jordanm | xorred, pastebin: apt-cache policy php-pear php5-cli; apt-cache policy |
| 18:14.55 | xorred | shtool at '/tmp/pear/temp/memcache/build/shtool' does not exist or is not execut |
| 18:14.55 | xorred | able. |
| 18:15.20 | LovelyPenguin | Th0masR0ss: It's what it said ;) Thanks mate. I just want to be completely sure. |
| 18:15.22 | mrvisser | we do this almost entirely internally, if I can even just omit any kind of source diff in the process, that would be fine |
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| 18:15.25 | xorred | jordanm: http://piratepad.net/o0kIZEHe8A |
| 18:15.28 | wojtas | Ontological: did you read about that? |
| 18:15.43 | Th0masR0ss | LovelyPenguin: remember to change sources.list though |
| 18:15.44 | mrvisser | I basically just want to pop a new binary package into the PPA |
| 18:15.54 | ee4now | How do i delete a file thats been mounted via vfat, that says for the permissions/owner ? -????????? ? ? ? ? ? B. |
| 18:16.13 | Frederick | but according to my config file http://pastebin.ca/2423029 it should update its file descriptors |
| 18:16.18 | ooxmoe | Th0masR0ss: do you know if xfce is faster and lighter (less space) than lxde? (i need it on a old 686 pc) |
| 18:16.35 | Th0masR0ss | ooxmoe: no udea |
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| 18:17.30 | jordanm | xorred, is /tmp mounted noexec? |
| 18:18.25 | ee4now | has anyone experienced issues when mounting FAT filesystem, displaying ?'s marks for permissions/owner-group |
| 18:18.47 | cheeser12 | (hopefully) quick question here: I can't install libgif4:i386 because it conflicts with libgif4 (the 64bit version), anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 18:19.05 | Blinkiz | Hello. Am having problem getting key authentication to work. I have my public key in home folder, .ssh/authorized_keys. Have I configured something wrong? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c390bf98/ |
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| 18:19.37 | xorred | jordanm: yes |
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| 18:19.44 | LovelyPenguin | Th0masR0ss: Is there any information available on what url's to include in sources.list to make sure I grab official packages? |
| 18:19.55 | SmashingX | I'm a little confused with the kernel version, is it 3.9.9 really older than 3.10? Why it says that the latest stable kernel is 3.10 if 3.9.9 was released later than 3.10 on kernel.org? |
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| 18:21.00 | jordanm | xorred, /tmp can't be noexec during pear module installation |
| 18:21.13 | wojtas | Blinkiz: check logs |
| 18:21.14 | xorred | ok, how do I fix this, jordanm |
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| 18:21.28 | jordanm | mount -o remount,exec /tmp; pear ...; mount -o remount,noexec /tmp |
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| 18:21.37 | LovelyPenguin | Th0masR0ss: Sorry, never mind, dpkg already mentioned it ;) |
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| 18:21.44 | wojtas | Blinkiz: ze common mistake i wrong premission for auth file |
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| 18:22.13 | ChrisW | hi all, what's the debian equivalent of "rpm -qf"? (ie: how can I find out what package installed a particular file?) |
| 18:22.38 | __debian__ | what is the timeout of the established-state in iptables ? |
| 18:22.57 | __debian__ | how can i configure this timeout ? |
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| 18:23.09 | jordanm | ChrisW, dpkg -S |
| 18:23.14 | ee4now | I have an issue with removing a file on a usb hard drive mounted with vfat, just this one file has this issue. it also displays all question marks(?) for the permissions and user/groups. Is this a corrupted file? or a mounting issue |
| 18:23.18 | __debian__ | http://www.iptables.info/en/connection-state.html |
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| 18:24.22 | eax | Most recommend alternative to xterm? |
| 18:24.28 | eax | Having issues with colors in xterm. |
| 18:24.30 | lowkyalur | ChrisW: apt-file search |
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| 18:24.34 | lowkyalur | and hi all |
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| 18:24.48 | lowkyalur | eax: i love urxvt |
| 18:24.54 | jordanm | lowkyalur, that would be the equiv for `yum provides` |
| 18:25.10 | eax | lowkyalur, thanks |
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| 18:25.38 | xorred | jordanm: mount -o remount,noexec /tmp - permission denied! |
| 18:25.45 | jordanm | xorred, as root |
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| 18:25.49 | ChrisW | lowkyalur: that looks right :-) |
| 18:26.13 | xorred | I am root, jordanm |
| 18:26.37 | lowkyalur | jordanm: is there a difference between dpkg -S and apt-file search? |
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| 18:26.41 | LovelyPenguin | Is it in any way a security risk to have mirror urls in your sources.list file instead of debian.org url's? My server is leased, and the webhost offers a mirror for all packages. |
| 18:27.08 | LovelyPenguin | These packages must be signed somehow right? |
| 18:27.10 | jordanm | lowkyalur, dpkg -S only works on *installed* files |
| 18:27.31 | lowkyalur | jordanm: ah ok neat. |
| 18:27.51 | b0lt | LovelyPenguin: they are, but your original image from the host could of course be compromised |
| 18:28.31 | b0lt | LovelyPenguin: just use the mirror. itæs probably fine |
| 18:28.41 | jordanm | and faster |
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| 18:29.24 | xorred | jordanm: I edited fstab, but now I can't unmount /tmp even as root |
| 18:29.26 | xorred | what do I do |
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| 18:29.37 | lowkyalur | my please unused hdd (just holding a windows partition) is spinning up after a couple of minutes after issuing hdparm -Y... any pointers how to find out what is causing this? |
| 18:29.41 | LovelyPenguin | b0lt: I assume you mean the debian image? But let's say it's not compromised. In case the mirror would try to supply comprimised packages, aptitude would detect it right? |
| 18:29.49 | jordanm | xorred, you shouldn't be able to umount it from a running system |
| 18:29.56 | jordanm | xorred, show the output of `mount` |
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| 18:30.19 | xorred | none on /tmp type tmpfs (size=128m,mode=1777,nosuid,nodev) |
| 18:30.35 | b0lt | LovelyPenguin: it's supposed to |
| 18:30.39 | ChrisW | er, sorry ,actually meanf jordanm, that's what I wanted, annoying it doesn't follow symlinks... |
| 18:30.49 | jordanm | xorred, it's not mounted noexec |
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| 18:31.08 | xorred | jordanm, then.... what do I do... about shtool at '/tmp/pear/temp/memcache/build/shtool' does not exist or is not executable |
| 18:31.34 | jordanm | ChrisW, the symlinks are probably not "provided" by the package, but done after package installation via postinst |
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| 18:31.54 | jordanm | xorred, does it exist? |
| 18:32.15 | xorred | jordanm: no |
| 18:32.24 | xorred | jordanm: even the folder doesn't exist |
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| 18:32.44 | jordanm | xorred, no idea |
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| 18:33.20 | cheeser12 | I'm trying to install libgif4:i386 and libopus0:i386 but they're conflicting with the 64-bit versions of themselves...is there any way around this? |
| 18:33.29 | robert5 | Has anyone installed the kernel back port? http://pastebin.com/g5wcDDHe Any idea whats wrong with apt? |
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| 18:36.12 | LovelyPenguin | b0lt: Alright! I assumed this from the start so I never bothered looking into it. |
| 18:36.57 | Blinkiz | Hello. Am having trouble getting keybased authentication to work, it keeps asking for password. Here is debug log from ssh client: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9de4fae8/ Here is auth.log from the server: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/467b4b2e/ Here is sshd_config file: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b61d1bc5/ |
| 18:37.22 | LovelyPenguin | b0lt: So I guess the package manages uses some kind of PKI in order to verify packages? |
| 18:38.17 | LovelyPenguin | sorry, package manager* |
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| 18:40.33 | HelenaKitty | Wow how do I rebuild initrd? I am trying to boot a custom kernel! |
| 18:40.52 | nullby7e | easy |
| 18:41.02 | HelenaKitty | nullby7e: How? |
| 18:41.08 | nullby7e | use kernel-package |
| 18:41.12 | Blinkiz | About my ssh problem, here is the debug from sshd http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c709ed93/ |
| 18:41.14 | nullby7e | to build custom kernel |
| 18:41.23 | HelenaKitty | nullby7e: What? |
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| 18:41.29 | HelenaKitty | I just built it! |
| 18:41.37 | nullby7e | ah yea |
| 18:41.39 | nullby7e | ok |
| 18:41.40 | HelenaKitty | I spent 2 days building that thing :/ |
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| 18:41.58 | nullby7e | update-grub |
| 18:42.06 | b0lt | ... |
| 18:42.07 | HelenaKitty | I'm using lilo |
| 18:42.14 | HelenaKitty | the kernel I tried booting it |
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| 18:42.26 | HelenaKitty | it gets stuck at checking the root filesystem |
| 18:42.36 | nullby7e | u mean it's a slow? |
| 18:42.39 | nullby7e | on booting |
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| 18:42.43 | nullby7e | "....." ? |
| 18:42.53 | HelenaKitty | I mean it get stuck then drops me into a initramfs prompt. |
| 18:43.03 | b0lt | update-grub does not build an initrd |
| 18:43.12 | peterS | usually when the initramfs does that it prints some sort of justification. a _reason_ it had to do that. |
| 18:43.14 | HelenaKitty | b0lt: I never said it did |
| 18:43.30 | HelenaKitty | TTY job control turned off |
| 18:43.33 | nullby7e | HelenaKitty: "lilo" should be added your kernel |
| 18:43.34 | b0lt | HelenaKitty: i nevver said you did |
| 18:44.19 | peterS | I think a message about tty job control is a red herring, not the real error, just a warning from the initramfs shell itself |
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| 18:44.45 | HelenaKitty | I'm going to reboot a photo it, brb |
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| 18:49.02 | b0lt | HelenaKitty: man update-initramfs |
| 18:49.26 | mrvisser | hey, I'm trying to create a debian package for a nodejs project, with its binaries all pre-build. however the debuild process is barfing on the binaries when I try and upload a new version to the PPA (we already have one version available). Any idea the best way to accomplish this? |
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| 18:49.32 | riceandbeans | anyone have any experience with HIDS/NIDS? |
| 18:49.53 | mrvisser | basically, when I do debuild -S, it complains about the source files. I need the source package because I'll be uploading it to a PPA |
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| 18:51.33 | HelenaKitty | Weird... http://i.imgur.com/5jf3911.jpg |
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| 18:51.40 | HelenaKitty | Turns out there are missing modules o.o |
| 18:51.53 | HelenaKitty | Modiles which I swear I set to be compiled. :/ |
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| 18:54.01 | peterS | HelenaKitty: the really important error is "Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... does not exist". at this point you can do 'cat /proc/partitions' and stuff like that, to figure out if the appropriate disk drivers are present |
| 18:54.25 | peterS | the stuff about USB drivers is perhaps a clue, but is not the reason your boot failed |
| 18:54.41 | HelenaKitty | What does USB have to do with my HDD? |
| 18:54.44 | peterS | I mean, unless your root filesystem is connected via USB, which (while possible) is unlikely |
| 18:54.54 | HelenaKitty | Iget ya now |
| 18:55.17 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 18:55.21 | HelenaKitty | brb |
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| 18:56.15 | jmd | Anyone know of a non-interactive app for converting svg to png |
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| 18:57.26 | nkuttler | jmd: image-/graphicsmagick ? |
| 18:57.52 | jmd | nkuttler, no. That doesn't handle vector graphics. |
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| 19:00.06 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I tried cat /proc/partitions, ls /dev and blkid. |
| 19:00.20 | HelenaKitty | it's not finding any drive/partition. |
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| 19:00.57 | peterS | so probably at least one of the several drivers related to your disk are not build into the kernel and modules are not loaded by your initramfs |
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| 19:02.08 | HelenaKitty | peterS: They must be! |
| 19:02.23 | HelenaKitty | I acccidentally BUILT everything. |
| 19:02.34 | HelenaKitty | it all must be in there :/ |
| 19:02.46 | b0lt | everything? |
| 19:02.46 | slidesinger1 | xrandr mostly working great for two displays (primary and right-of primary) but some applications will only display on primary when going full screen. Anyone know why? |
| 19:02.57 | HelenaKitty | b0lt: yeah |
| 19:03.15 | peterS | slidesinger1: probably intentional: often you _want_ something to take up one whole screen (a projector, for example) but not spread across all your screens |
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| 19:04.35 | Robert_L | I added the wheezy sources to my sources.list as advised in section 4.3.1 of the Debian 7 manual, and when I do an apt-get update I get the error message "Not Found [IP: 2607:ea00:101:3c0b:207:e9ff:fe00:e595 80]". If I nslookup security.debian.org on the box I get the IPv4 IP |
| 19:05.14 | slidesinger1 | peterS: exactly, but I moved it to the secondary screen before maximizing. In this case it was iceweasel, but I've had it happen with videos, etc. But only if I want it on the second screen. Anything I maximize/full screen on the primary screen stays on the primary screen. |
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| 19:06.05 | slidesinger | be right back. |
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| 19:06.52 | peterS | Robert_L: specifically you are talking about this line? deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main |
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| 19:07.06 | b0lt | HelenaKitty: well extract your initramfs and see if your modules are in there? |
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| 19:07.30 | HelenaKitty | b0lt: How would I go about doing that? |
| 19:08.23 | b0lt | HelenaKitty: google has great howto's on that. i'm on a cell phone, so typing is slow :) |
| 19:08.32 | g105b | I'm new to cron, and want a script to run every 10 minutes. I typed into `crontab -e` the following: `*/10 * * * * /home/web/DHydro/Cron.sh`, but the script hasn't been run yet (it appends to a file. Script works when I run it manually.) |
| 19:08.44 | Robert_L | peterS yes, but it was totally my fault. I had wheezy/squeeze instead of wheezy/updates. Did not pay attention when I was updating my sources. It went through now |
| 19:08.46 | peterS | HelenaKitty: mkdir /tmp/x; cd /tmp/x; zcat /boot/initrd.whatever | cpio -i |
| 19:09.01 | peterS | Robert_L: hehe. nice when it turns out to be that simple. |
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| 19:09.08 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 19:09.19 | b0lt | g105b: check system logs and your email |
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| 19:09.43 | g105b | tail -f /var/log/messages ? |
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| 19:10.48 | OptimizedCoder | my computer's hostname doesn't get resolved in my local LAN - /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts look okay |
| 19:10.53 | HelenaKitty | peterS: gzip: /boot/initrd.img-3.10.gz: No such file or directory |
| 19:11.21 | Robert_L | peterS I did some VMs as a trial run, but I'm doing my VPS today, so I was a little bit scared |
| 19:11.55 | peterS | HelenaKitty: where did the .gz come from? most initrd files do not end in .gz although they are in gzip format |
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| 19:12.11 | HelenaKitty | peterS: zcat thinks it ends in that. |
| 19:12.37 | peterS | that's not very smart of zcat, when you give it one filename and it assumes you meant a different filename |
| 19:12.49 | peterS | mine doesn't seem to do that |
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| 19:12.54 | b0lt | OptimizedCoder: dns is your lan is up to your dns servr, not the local machine you are trying to look up |
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| 19:13.17 | g105b | b0lt: nothing that I can see. Not sure how email is used with cron. |
| 19:13.18 | OptimizedCoder | b0lt, go it - it seems to be a bit flaky |
| 19:13.59 | b0lt | g105b: cronn will send output to the account the crontab is for, by default |
| 19:14.01 | HelenaKitty | peterS: http://pastie.org/8125577 |
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| 19:15.35 | peterS | HelenaKitty: strange. So try the same thing but 'zcat < /boot/initrd...' with the < in there, which "hides" the filename from zcat so it can't mess it up |
| 19:15.55 | b0lt | g105b: also, at least on tis system, syslog puts cron in /var/log/syslog by default |
| 19:16.25 | b0lt | g105b: try * * * * * when you're debugging it :) |
| 19:17.10 | HelenaKitty | 15256 blocks |
| 19:17.36 | g105b | b0lt: I think it might be running, but in the wrong cwd, how can I tell cron to work in a particular directory? |
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| 19:19.04 | TheWarden | I've just gotten back to this and I'm still not able to get his query to work within CakePHP, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/5720bfcc282debff1cdd. I did what dogmatic69 suggested but still getting the error as mentioned. |
| 19:19.19 | TheWarden | Error: SQLSTATE[42000]: Syntax error or access violation: 1064 You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'from HAVING from < to ORDER BY `StbProgramsSchedules`.`id` ASC' at line 1 |
| 19:19.29 | TheWarden | oh crap, sorry complete wrong channel. |
| 19:20.03 | HelenaKitty | TheWarden: lol I done that! |
| 19:20.08 | b0lt | g105b: just have your script do it. or do * * * * * cd bleh && ./script |
| 19:20.27 | g105b | b0lt: thanks for your help. |
| 19:20.31 | TheWarden | HelenaKitty: would have helped if I looked first instead of looking after :) |
| 19:20.41 | HelenaKitty | TheWarden: Yeah. |
| 19:20.50 | b0lt | g105b: np |
| 19:21.06 | HelenaKitty | peterS: 15256 blocks |
| 19:21.37 | peterS | yes, that's the output of cpio -i. now you can browse the modules under /tmp/x/lib/modules to see if the ones that seem to relate to your disk are all there |
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| 19:22.38 | HelenaKitty | peterS: They sit in /tmp/x/lib/modules?! o.o |
| 19:22.48 | HelenaKitty | whre?! |
| 19:23.08 | HelenaKitty | felicia >ls |
| 19:23.10 | HelenaKitty | modules.alias modules.builtin.bin modules.dep.bin modules.softdep modules.symbols.bin |
| 19:23.12 | HelenaKitty | modules.alias.bin modules.dep modules.devname modules.symbols |
| 19:23.15 | SmashingX | I'm a little confused with the kernel version, is it 3.9.9 really older than 3.10? Why it says that the latest stable kernel is 3.10 if 3.9.9 was released later than 3.10 on kernel.org? |
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| 19:23.31 | HelenaKitty | I checked out modules.dep |
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| 19:25.05 | HelenaKitty | peterS: All these files are empty, some of em only have comments. o.o |
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| 19:26.47 | peterS | HelenaKitty: that makes me wonder if your 'initramfs-tools' and 'kmod' are recent. dpkg -l initramfs-tools kmod |
| 19:27.36 | HelenaKitty | ii initramfs-tools 0.113 all generic modular initramfs generator |
| 19:27.38 | HelenaKitty | ii kmod 9-3 i386 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
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| 19:28.54 | peterS | all those 'modules.*' files being empty ... I don't know what to make of that |
| 19:29.06 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 19:30.21 | Robert_L | And success. 25 minutes, no issues. Continue to love Debian. |
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| 19:31.18 | peterS | HelenaKitty: how about on your normal filesystem, /lib/modules/3.10 (not in /tmp/x, I mean). Are those files empty as well? |
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| 19:32.39 | HelenaKitty | peterS: No |
| 19:32.41 | theslow1 | My run levels for apache2 are messed up --> http://paste.debian.net/15230/ it will not start on system boot. Not a majour issue but annoying |
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| 19:33.33 | jordanm | theslow1, you need to remove the stop links |
| 19:33.34 | theslow1 | start-levels of (empty) are over-ridding what I would like to be the default. What causes this? |
| 19:33.51 | theslow1 | jordanm, ok i'll give that a try |
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| 19:34.41 | b0lt | !tell root about root |
| 19:34.43 | peterS | HelenaKitty: so when mkinitramfs constructed the initramfs for your new kernel, it was unable to populate the files in /lib/modules, but the normal kernel install was able to do so just fine. I don't know why that would be. |
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| 19:35.43 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Does that mean I can copy the modules from my current init image to my new init image? |
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| 19:35.51 | peterS | SmashingX: it helps if you don't think of a set of software versions as a single line. Kernel 3.9 and 3.10 are their own branches, each of which can have new bug-fix releases at any time, based on the previous 3.9 or 3.10. |
| 19:36.10 | peterS | HelenaKitty: better is to just figure out why mkinitramfs couldn't do it correctly in the first place |
| 19:36.14 | SmashingX | so then which one is the latest? |
| 19:36.16 | MachinaeWolf | So I heard firmware-linux-nonfree might help my issue with the newer kernels but I already had it and it doesn't help :/ |
| 19:36.23 | SmashingX | if 3.9.9 was released after 3.10 |
| 19:36.31 | HelenaKitty | peterS: How? |
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| 19:36.41 | peterS | SmashingX: depends on your definition of 'latest', then. if your definition is strictly based on time of release, then 3.9.9 is the 'latest' |
| 19:36.49 | theslow1 | jordanm, It worked, thanks |
| 19:36.59 | SmashingX | so why it says the latest is 3.10 |
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| 19:37.16 | SmashingX | and 3.10 should be on main |
| 19:37.19 | peterS | SmashingX: because whoever calculated that does not define 'latest' strictly on a time scale |
| 19:37.21 | b0lt | SmashingX: try figuring out which one you need instead |
| 19:37.35 | SmashingX | b0lt: I don't need any of them |
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| 19:37.45 | SmashingX | mhhh |
| 19:37.55 | b0lt | then why bother |
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| 19:38.02 | SmashingX | in english latest means the more recent right? |
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| 19:38.16 | peterS | b0lt: he's just curious why the term 'latest' does not mean what he thinks it should mean. that's natural. |
| 19:38.19 | SmashingX | because I care what happens in the linux community b0lt |
| 19:38.23 | HelenaKitty | SmashingX: Yes |
| 19:38.48 | b0lt | SmashingX: learn about software branches then :) |
| 19:38.56 | peterS | SmashingX: in this case, in the case of software releases that are based on branched series, latest means the most recent patch-level of the most recent branch |
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| 19:39.04 | SmashingX | I think the page has a bug |
| 19:39.14 | peterS | SmashingX: most recent branch meaning 3.10, and most recent patch-level also being 3.10 but eventually it will be 3.10.1, 3.10.2, 3.10.3 |
| 19:39.14 | SmashingX | well not a bug |
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| 19:39.25 | SmashingX | but it has an error |
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| 19:39.50 | SmashingX | anyway, if you guys think I'm worng that's ok |
| 19:40.00 | peterS | SmashingX: you could issue a critical fix to kernel 3.4 and call it 3.4.42 and it would be "later" than either 3.9.9 or 3.10, but that doesnt' mean the code base has the "latest" stuff in it |
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| 19:40.07 | SmashingX | I just think that the page is not well right now |
| 19:40.35 | SmashingX | I've accessed kernel.org for a long time and the latest version is always the version is on the main branch |
| 19:40.53 | SmashingX | and now 3.10 is not in the main branch but it's the latest kernel |
| 19:40.59 | SmashingX | whatever... |
| 19:41.21 | SmashingX | but thanks for discussing that with me |
| 19:41.21 | peterS | too bad they had to change something you expected not to change, then |
| 19:41.23 | SmashingX | :) |
| 19:41.27 | peterS | I don't imagine it was a mistake |
| 19:41.40 | SmashingX | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 19:41.59 | SmashingX | not just because it's kernel.org can't have errors. |
| 19:42.09 | peterS | well, you shouldn't be asking about it here, you should be asking the maintainers of kernel.org |
| 19:42.22 | HelenaKitty | :o |
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| 19:42.35 | peterS | their view looks fine to me. if you think it has changed in a way that was not intended, well, #debian is not the place to report this |
| 19:42.48 | frikinz | has the latest features=>3.10 |
| 19:43.21 | SmashingX | PeterSi: I was asking here just to see if someone agreed with me |
| 19:43.32 | SmashingX | I'm not asking here to ask you to correct the error |
| 19:43.34 | datenritter | hi! i just set up a debian 7.1 (amd64) box, installed xen-linux-system as explained in http://wiki.debian.org/Xen but grub just ignores the xen-package and doesn't create menu entries for xen. what could possibly be wrong? |
| 19:44.04 | HelenaKitty | gah this is annoying :( |
| 19:44.12 | HelenaKitty | peterS: idk what to do :( |
| 19:44.13 | peterS | SmashingX: if I were to take issue with the home page of kernel.org it would be their labeling of 3.10 as "stable", not their labeling of it as "latest". I am not sure you can consider a kernel "stable" when there's only one release in the series. Empirically, I mean, |
| 19:44.51 | SmashingX | yeah, whatever |
| 19:44.55 | SmashingX | just wondering man |
| 19:45.10 | SmashingX | they can put in their page whatever they want i gues |
| 19:45.29 | b0lt | i think the feature list is what's supposed to be stable at that point |
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| 19:45.45 | peterS | well, true. |
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| 19:47.32 | peterS | HelenaKitty: rerun mkinitramfs. I don't know how you ran it the first time but whatever you did, do it again. look to see if it produces any warnings or errors. |
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| 19:49.30 | datenritter | oh, now the entry is there. it's just not mentioned in the output of update-grub. damn! m( |
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| 19:51.35 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I an it |
| 19:51.52 | peterS | I an it? |
| 19:51.56 | HelenaKitty | nwow |
| 19:52.04 | HelenaKitty | it's garbled everything up |
| 19:52.12 | HelenaKitty | nvm |
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| 19:53.19 | HelenaKitty | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 19:53.25 | HelenaKitty | peterS: ^ |
| 19:53.26 | peterS | yeah that's harmless |
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| 19:53.44 | HelenaKitty | that's all it outputs! |
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| 19:54.16 | HelenaKitty | I did mkinitkramfs -o bleh |
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| 19:54.52 | peterS | did you specify the version, 3.10? I think you need to or it will assume the _current_ running kernel version. also try with -v so it gives more output. |
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| 19:55.53 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I am using 3.10 |
| 19:56.04 | peterS | if you're already using 3.10, why are you ... I'm confused |
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| 19:56.30 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I was trying to do an optimistic kernel build |
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| 19:57.32 | peterS | HelenaKitty: well regardless, you need to specify the version, because it's not just 3.10. It's whatever the exact subdirectory name in /lib/modules is, and if _that_ is the same between your running kernel ('uname -r') and your new one, then you will have problems because your new kernel install would have overwritten all your old modules |
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| 19:58.15 | HelenaKitty | peterS: That just confused me |
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| 19:58.55 | peterS | HelenaKitty: you have 2 kernels. the one you're running, and the one you built. they can't both be exactly the same version string. 'uname -r' will give the version string for the kernel you're running right now. what you decided to call the new one I don't know. both of these should be represented as directories in /lib/modules. |
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| 19:59.30 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 19:59.42 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 19:59.52 | HelenaKitty | I thought this would be simple! |
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| 20:00.40 | peterS | so what does 'ls /lib/modules' show? and 'uname -r'? |
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| 20:01.13 | HelenaKitty | 3.10-rc5-686-pae 3.10-rc7-486 3.10-rc7-686-pae |
| 20:01.25 | HelenaKitty | those are just debian kernels. |
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| 20:01.45 | peterS | ok so there's 3 kernels. and yeah those look like the patterns Debian uses. |
| 20:01.49 | peterS | is there nothing in /lib/modules to represent your new kernel? |
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| 20:02.04 | HelenaKitty | peterS: No. |
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| 20:02.30 | peterS | aha. so. probably all you need to do is 'make modules_install' from your kernel source dir. That will do just what it sounds like. |
| 20:02.42 | peterS | then you will have a new entry in /lib/modules and we can go from there. |
| 20:02.44 | HelenaKitty | okies :o |
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| 20:03.50 | peterS | if you had no modules installed corresponding to your new kernel, that would explain everything. Why the initramfs had no modules in it. Why the initramfs had a bunch of empty index files. |
| 20:04.28 | HelenaKitty | okies :3 |
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| 20:04.54 | HelenaKitty | I am new to this kernel shiz as you can probably tell by how noobish I act. |
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| 20:09.25 | HelenaKitty | Guest53637: Please don't be a troll, take it to #defocus! |
| 20:09.32 | HelenaKitty | Thank you! |
| 20:09.54 | Th0masR0ss | HelenaKitty: ...? |
| 20:10.07 | HelenaKitty | Th0masR0ss: ? |
| 20:10.26 | HelenaKitty | Th0masR0ss: This isn't the place for social chat! |
| 20:10.42 | Th0masR0ss | HelenaKitty: <HelenaKitty> Guest53637: Please don't be a troll, take it to #defocus! |
| 20:10.49 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 20:10.54 | Th0masR0ss | the guest didnt speak. |
| 20:11.04 | HelenaKitty | Th0masR0ss: I will only discuss that in social channels! |
| 20:11.08 | HelenaKitty | Thank you. |
| 20:11.17 | Th0masR0ss | gah |
| 20:11.24 | Th0masR0ss | gives up |
| 20:11.26 | HelenaKitty | peterS: modules_install done! :3 |
| 20:11.54 | HelenaKitty | and the dir is there in /lib/modules! |
| 20:11.59 | HelenaKitty | :D |
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| 20:19.53 | HelenaKitty | peterS? |
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| 20:20.04 | jelly-home | bueller? |
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| 20:20.13 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home: ? |
| 20:20.27 | peterS | HelenaKitty: oh yeah. so mkinitramfs -o /boot/wahtever 3.10-whatever (the name of the new dir in /lib/modules) |
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| 20:21.01 | peterS | you have to specify the 3.10-whatever as otherwise it will just assume 'uname -r' which is not going to be correct |
| 20:21.40 | HelenaKitty | peterS: mkinitramfs -o /boot/newkernel /lib/modules/newkernel ? |
| 20:21.52 | peterS | yes but without the /lib/modules, it will find that |
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| 20:22.02 | HelenaKitty | okies :3 |
| 20:22.11 | peterS | and -o /boot/initrd.img-newkernel |
| 20:22.22 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: https://www.google.com/search?q=bueller |
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| 20:23.03 | peterS | jelly-home: also known as Ben Stein's greatest moment. I mean he's a good guy and all but that's the one thing he's really known for |
| 20:23.05 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home: okies :3 |
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| 20:23.31 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Is that it?! o.o |
| 20:23.55 | peterS | HelenaKitty: did it build a new /boot/initrd.img-newkernel file, then? Probably go ahead and 'update-grub' just to make sure it finds it |
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| 20:24.31 | HelenaKitty | Wait... |
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| 20:24.40 | HelenaKitty | peterS: sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-3.10.0 |
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| 20:25.06 | peterS | you omitted the version again. after I told you not to. |
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| 20:25.39 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Woops |
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| 20:26.06 | HelenaKitty | sorry :( I misunderstood |
| 20:27.47 | gmzamz | holy crap steam is annoying to install |
| 20:28.00 | AimHere | Indeed. |
| 20:28.11 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Sorry |
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| 20:28.30 | AimHere | Or is it not quite as annoying as it was before |
| 20:28.39 | gmzamz | yes |
| 20:29.06 | gmzamz | I think |
| 20:29.20 | gmzamz | I am so confused as to what is actually happening right now |
| 20:29.57 | HelenaKitty | peterS: It wasn't clear to me. |
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| 20:39.41 | edakiri | I really wish to change the intensity, not hue, but I expect it is the same process. |
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| 20:40.21 | edakiri | How can the colour of 'white' in the virtual terminal be changed? I am using a framebuffer, if it matters. |
| 20:40.23 | edakiri | I really wish to change the intensity, not hue, but I expect it is the same process. |
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| 20:45.01 | Dion | lol |
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| 20:45.33 | basic6 | I'm updating a Debian system and this one error message is appearing over and over again, should I be worried? Undefined subroutine &conffile::abs_path called at /usr/bin/ucfg line... |
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| 20:45.48 | format_c | IRC network quite instable today |
| 20:45.56 | xsamurai | I'm having trouble applying forwarding rules with iptables http://dpaste.com/1292871/ |
| 20:45.57 | WarriorSl | hey ppl, how can I check if my debian kernel is loading usb sound? |
| 20:46.02 | HelenaKitty | Wow this is fuckin annoying me :/ |
| 20:46.04 | nkuttler | basic6: pastebin the whole command + output |
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| 20:47.16 | basic6 | nkuttler: the whole apt-get upgrade output would probably be too much / useless as it seems to be normal except for this one line, but i can see if i can pastebin the exact error |
| 20:47.45 | nkuttler | basic6: please don't worry about it being too much |
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| 20:48.31 | peterS | WarriorSl: 'lsmod | grep usb-audio' I guess |
| 20:49.00 | basic6 | at this point, its all just flying over the screen, i'm looking for a logfile where all this could be written to... |
| 20:49.26 | peterS | actually that may not work as the module loading system converts "-" to "_", so it would be 'snd_usb_audio' rather than the original name of 'snd-usb-audio' |
| 20:49.51 | th0r | basic6, pipe the output to a file....'command > output.txt' |
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| 20:50.47 | thrip | help on python 3.3 compile on wheezy? |
| 20:50.51 | gmzamz | FINALLY it works |
| 20:50.59 | basic6 | th0r: that update has been running for at least an hour, i cannot just restart it, because it wouldn't have any more updates to install. |
| 20:51.01 | thrip | compiled fine but not all feature seem intact |
| 20:51.05 | darkapp | hi im trying to get the new debian through the torrent, i have a usb and need to know which version i should get. CD or DVD? |
| 20:51.17 | gmzamz | Depends |
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| 20:51.34 | gmzamz | Do you have an internet connection handy? |
| 20:51.39 | gmzamz | after you install it? |
| 20:51.45 | darkapp | yes |
| 20:51.46 | basic6 | also i'm not logged into a graphical de so i can't just select and copy/paste the terminal output |
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| 20:52.02 | peterS | oh man, am I getting old or what? "I have a USB" still sounds to me a bit like "I have an internal combustion" |
| 20:52.22 | gmzamz | Go With the CD then, it will download faster, and you can grab anything you missed after the installation |
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| 20:52.40 | darkapp | ok amd 64 is the best for newer computers correct? |
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| 20:52.53 | peterS | most newer computers have 64-bit CPUs, yes |
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| 20:53.09 | peterS | well, computers bigger than phones, I mean. I guess a lot of phones are not 64-bit |
| 20:53.50 | darkapp | lol its a laptop |
| 20:54.17 | darkapp | thanx for the help peterS and gmzamz |
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| 20:54.52 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Have I pissed u off? :( |
| 20:55.16 | gmzamz | peterS: Goog luck! |
| 20:56.22 | darkapp | ok its going 125 kb per a second |
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| 20:56.29 | adamsilver | I am using shell (instead of bash) and when I click the up and down arrow I get the following instead of command history: $ ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A ... What's missing? |
| 20:56.30 | darkapp | is there a fastest torrent? |
| 20:57.15 | gmzamz | woops, meant darkapp |
| 20:57.20 | gmzamz | not that I know of |
| 20:57.20 | peterS | adamsilver: "shell" is a description, not an app. anyway the answer is that whichever shell you are using does not support up and down arrows for command history. Maybe doesn't support command history at all. Without knowing _which_ shell, it's hard to say. |
| 20:57.38 | peterS | HelenaKitty: not particularly. did I miss a question? I haven't seen a question from you |
| 20:57.52 | Th0masR0ss | peterS: same problem here, ssh does it. |
| 20:58.04 | adamsilver | peterS: $ echo $0 |
| 20:58.04 | adamsilver | -sh |
| 20:58.14 | darkapp | do people just not seed completely legal torrents |
| 20:58.21 | darkapp | major dick move internet |
| 20:58.32 | peterS | adamsilver: right, ok, so something running as 'sh'. my guess is, it's dash. check 'ls -l /bin/sh' to see. |
| 20:58.46 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I misunderstood what you wanted me to do with mkinitramfs |
| 20:58.51 | jbraeg | darkapp: i see legal torrents |
| 20:58.58 | jbraeg | ubuntu distribution |
| 20:59.04 | adamsilver | peterS: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 7 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 20:59.09 | Th0masR0ss | peterS: how can I make ssh run bash by default? |
| 20:59.10 | jbraeg | *seed |
| 20:59.13 | peterS | darkapp: every time I've downloaded Linux install images over BT, it has been blazing fast |
| 20:59.20 | HelenaKitty | I am a visual learner and fail to follower a written instruction sometimes so sorry if I need a little spoon feeding, I am not doing it on purpose. |
| 20:59.40 | darkapp | peterS: ya me too, normally 2-3mb per a second |
| 20:59.42 | peterS | darkapp: I haven't needed to do that for awhile, but yeah, the seeds were pretty much maxing out my downstream |
| 20:59.49 | darkapp | idk why im just not getting seeds |
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| 21:00.09 | ImaLamer | time |
| 21:00.14 | peterS | well you know BT, sometimes it takes a little while to find and join the right group of BTers |
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| 21:01.18 | peterS | HelenaKitty: so you have a /boot/vmlinuz-3.10.0 and /lib/modules/3.10.0 to go with it and what you need is to build a /boot/initrd.img-3.10.0 ? |
| 21:01.34 | peterS | in that case 'mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-3.10.0 3.10.0' |
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| 21:01.49 | HelenaKitty | Ooooh that's what you were getting at! |
| 21:01.50 | peterS | I would add -v to get more output, so, mkinitramfs -v -o /boot/initrd.img-3.10.0 3.10.0 |
| 21:01.55 | adamsilver | so is there a way to add command history to dash shell? |
| 21:01.58 | HelenaKitty | slaps herself with a bat |
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| 21:02.30 | peterS | adamsilver: well, dash isn't meant as a full-featured shell. adding random features to it is sorta missing the point. just use a full-featured shell instead, such as bash or zsh. |
| 21:02.55 | basic6 | oh the apt term log contains the error. |
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| 21:03.14 | basic6 | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/15249 nevermind about the weird date |
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| 21:03.23 | basic6 | line 1341 for example |
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| 21:03.33 | HelenaKitty | I find it smexy when a load of text comes scrolling down my screen! :D |
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| 21:04.52 | moof2_ | HelenaKitty, too messy |
| 21:05.07 | adamsilver | peterS: I see, thanks |
| 21:05.11 | HelenaKitty | moof2_: lol |
| 21:05.26 | basic6 | should i be worried about all those "undefined subroutine abs_path" (perl!?), what is going wrong here? |
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| 21:06.05 | moof2_ | basic6, sounds like it could be missing perl modules |
| 21:06.10 | Th0masR0ss | peterS: how can I make bash a users default shell? |
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| 21:06.22 | peterS | Th0masR0ss: chsh |
| 21:06.30 | wojtas | /etc/passwd |
| 21:06.35 | peterS | you mean vipw |
| 21:06.41 | basic6 | moof2_: maybe, but who is telling me this? apt-get isn't perl, so it can't be the installer failing!? |
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| 21:06.53 | adamsilver | How can I switch an account from using dash to bash? |
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| 21:07.03 | moof2_ | basic6, that;s a good point |
| 21:07.12 | peterS | chsh {account}, or vipw |
| 21:07.13 | basic6 | but then again, it's that same error that keeps reappearing, across many different package updates |
| 21:07.18 | moof2_ | adamsilver, chsh |
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| 21:07.35 | nkuttler | basic6: hrm, apt-cache policy ucf? |
| 21:08.41 | Dion | .. |
| 21:08.51 | Dion | debian had a netsplit previously about 10 minutes ago, why? |
| 21:09.03 | peterS | no, Freenode had a netsplit previously about 10 minutes ago |
| 21:09.15 | Dion | how come? |
| 21:09.19 | basic6 | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/15251 |
| 21:09.20 | nkuttler | !tell Dion about netsplit |
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| 21:09.39 | peterS | the distinction is useful when you're trying to figure out whether anyone in a channel named #debian would know the answer |
| 21:09.42 | nkuttler | ,v ucf |
| 21:09.43 | judd | Package: ucf on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0025+nmu1; wheezy: 3.0025+nmu3; jessie: 3.0027; sid: 3.0027+nmu1 |
| 21:09.50 | adamsilver | moof2_: great, thank you |
| 21:09.54 | moof2_ | hetsplits happen either because an operator shuts down a member server or because the server dies |
| 21:10.13 | Th0masR0ss | peterS: thanks |
| 21:10.15 | Dion | Did it have anything to do with that botnet that connected at the same time? |
| 21:10.22 | peterS | why are you asking us? |
| 21:10.24 | nkuttler | basic6: welcome to testing.. |
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| 21:10.36 | peterS | what does #debian have to do with IRC network administration? |
| 21:10.38 | moof2_ | or is having problems (lagging? being dos attacked?) talking on the net |
| 21:10.44 | nkuttler | basic6: maybe that's why there was an nmu.. no idea |
| 21:11.18 | nkuttler | Dion: ask #freenode about network stuff |
| 21:11.21 | Dion | I am. |
| 21:11.29 | Dion | Guess what nkuttler ? |
| 21:11.30 | nkuttler | oh so you just crosspost.. |
| 21:11.36 | basic6 | nkuttler: what? i've been using (testing) wheezy for a long time now and it's been working great. there's no way i'd call that "testing". however, could it play a role that its the freebsd version? |
| 21:11.42 | Dion | nkuttler, - someone caused a net split. http://i.imgur.com/7pZMXnA.png |
| 21:11.54 | nkuttler | basic6: wheezy is stable now |
| 21:12.01 | basic6 | nkuttler: whats an 'nmu' |
| 21:12.05 | nkuttler | Dion: i don't care, please keep it in #freenode |
| 21:12.06 | moof2_ | nkuttler, how else is he going to ask them? |
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| 21:12.36 | nkuttler | basic6: wheezy is stable now. you're not using stable |
| 21:12.45 | nkuttler | basic6: you probably have testing in your sources.list ? |
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| 21:13.34 | nkuttler | basic6: a perl error hardly looks like the kernel matters btw, but i wouldn't know |
| 21:13.48 | nvz | idk but short of a wm independant way of manipulating size/position of windows and such or hacking my wm.. I think I need a new more powerful WM now.. |
| 21:13.48 | HelenaKitty | peterS: Done and according to the verbose output there were no errors. |
| 21:13.54 | nkuttler | actually.. ucf is a bash script |
| 21:14.03 | moof2_ | Dion, the reality is, netsplits happen... just live with it |
| 21:14.26 | nvz | I not only want matched windows that behave a certain way, but I want entire profiles... where I can change the TYPE of work I'm doing and have ALL my windows change accordingly.. |
| 21:14.36 | basic6 | what wheezy is stable?? wow... and yes i do have testing in my sources.list, instead of wheezy. i'm just now realizing that this might be a very bad thing to do, because i'm upgrading to the next debian apparently... |
| 21:14.50 | nkuttler | basic6: yeah, very bad |
| 21:15.20 | basic6 | so squeeze is officaly beyond stable. finally |
| 21:15.27 | nkuttler | basic6: oldstable |
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| 21:15.47 | basic6 | hm oh well i have a backup. i'll probably roll back, replace testing with wheezy and restart the update |
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| 21:15.50 | moof2_ | basic6, yep... squeeze is now called oldstable, and so is still supported |
| 21:15.58 | basic6 | thanks for telling me about the stable/testing switch |
| 21:15.59 | nkuttler | basic6: sounds like a plan |
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| 21:16.57 | nvz | something basic for example I find myself doing a lot is if I have more than one VLC open or something.. and I make it so they both fit on the screen.. well matched windows are great and all.. but it can't differentiate between those two windows to even know to put them in two different places :-. |
| 21:17.02 | nvz | :-/ |
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| 21:17.35 | nvz | I heard someone mentioning modern concepts of "tagging" windows |
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| 21:19.03 | nvz | right now I'm creating, resizing and positioning 9 windows manually.. the same way I did a couple days ago thinkin there has got to be a better way |
| 21:19.21 | nvz | as far as my wm's matched windows is concerned, they're all the same window.. so.. |
| 21:19.36 | nvz | and I want them 3 different sizes in 9 different locations :-P |
| 21:19.38 | moof2_ | nvz, are you writing a wm? |
| 21:19.56 | nvz | not yet.. but looks like either I'm gonna keep doing stuff the hard way or I need to ;) |
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| 21:20.27 | nvz | finding myself doing a bunch repetitive nonsense my WM should do for me |
| 21:20.53 | moof2_ | I wonder if there's a toolkit,,, there are several WMs that are scripted/able... scsh comes to mind |
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| 21:21.00 | moof2_ | err scwm |
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| 21:21.15 | nkuttler | nvz: have a look at x-tile? |
| 21:21.40 | nvz | yeah well I use sawfish and I'm sure if I refreshed on how the innards works I could hack it.. but I'd prefer to not have to work too much to do what I'm trying to do here.. |
| 21:21.58 | nkuttler | oh, never mind.. |
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| 21:22.08 | nkuttler | though if you like python the code might help :) |
| 21:22.31 | nvz | which is basically have this thing remember the positions of windows which by all rights are the same as far as all matchers are concerned |
| 21:22.53 | nvz | nkuttler: yeah python is my go-to choice when I wanna do something and don't wanna work at it :-P |
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| 21:25.36 | nvz | I used to use gqview (used it for all kinda crap it wasn't meant to do.. heh) for this.. I just created images the sizes I wanted then when I told gqview to open them in new windows, the windows would be the dimensions I wanted.. but needless to say this is one of many "features" they broke when they went to geeqie |
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| 21:26.15 | Th0rsten | hi |
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| 21:26.47 | nvz | now I gotta manually size everything... hell even if I had macros that made windows 200x300, 300x450, 600x900 or such.. that'd help.. which I think that much sawfish CAN do fairly painlessly |
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| 21:27.41 | Dion | Anyone know of any tools that would generate say Dion1 Dion2 Dion3 to a .txt file with the amount I want say 50 so it would Write Dion1 Dion2 Dion3 all the way to Dion50? |
| 21:27.49 | nvz | basically I used to use GQview for pretty much everything.. haha.. used it like it was zenity or gdialog or something.. |
| 21:28.27 | Th0rsten | how can i install something to use with wine if it does not have an installer? |
| 21:28.31 | moof2_ | Dion, echo Dion{2,3,4,5} |
| 21:28.32 | Th0rsten | I only got a zip file |
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| 21:28.46 | Dion | moof2, how do I work that? could you please elaborate? |
| 21:28.53 | pipegeek1 | Say I have an APT respository, and I want to remove an entire suite (and all referenced packages). What's the best way to accomplish this? |
| 21:28.56 | Dion | put that in a terminal or something moof2 ? |
| 21:29.18 | moof2_ | it's a function of (at least) the bash shell |
| 21:29.32 | Dion | That'd mean I'd still have to write it all out |
| 21:29.33 | nkuttler | Dion: echo Dion{1..50} even |
| 21:29.39 | Dion | oh mean thats it |
| 21:29.42 | moof2_ | it's a way to do such generation |
| 21:29.53 | Dion | nkuttler, that's what I wanted, thanks man and thanks too moof2 |
| 21:30.20 | Dion | can I do echo Dion{1..50}>Dion.txt to save the output to a .txt file? |
| 21:30.52 | moof2_ | Dion, sounds like a good experiment to me |
| 21:31.04 | moof2_ | it will write to the one file |
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| 21:32.27 | moof2_ | Dion, the approximate pieces are... the echo will output to STDOUT... then > accepts STDOUT and sends it to a file |
| 21:32.59 | moof2_ | you can also try this... |
| 21:33.03 | nvz | anywho.. I'll look into the scripted wms and such.. thanks.. |
| 21:33.52 | Dion | so what would i type exactly moof2 ? |
| 21:34.00 | moof2_ | for i in $(seq 1 50); do echo Dion$i; done | xargs echo |
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| 21:34.38 | moof2_ | Dioh, it's already that simple... the last one is an instance of "shell programming" |
| 21:34.53 | moof2_ | Dion even |
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| 21:35.47 | Dion | When I paste it into a terminal it makes them from left to right I wanted them to descend. |
| 21:35.50 | Dion | =\ |
| 21:36.03 | moof2_ | oh, ok: |
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| 21:36.09 | moof2_ | for i in $(seq 1 50); do echo Dion$i; done |
| 21:36.27 | moof2_ | (i.e., take off the | xargs echo) |
| 21:36.41 | Dion | thanks |
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| 21:39.28 | xorred | how do I force-remove a package which is broken |
| 21:39.45 | moof2_ | Dion, if you're ever curious about what else the shell can do, there is a package bash-doc which I believe is in non-free |
| 21:39.54 | Dion | Start > Control Panel > Uninstall > Click Programmed - xorred |
| 21:39.54 | moof2_ | then, info bash |
| 21:39.56 | xorred | http://piratepad.net/mAQnoNRzgn |
| 21:40.00 | xorred | Dion: server |
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| 21:40.06 | Dion | thanks moof2_ |
| 21:40.15 | Dion | oh yeah, lol, sorry xorred |
| 21:40.23 | peterS | hmmmmm. Or eschew the shell. perl -le 'print "Dion$_" for 1..50' |
| 21:40.56 | peterS | or more fun with xargs: echo Dion{1..50} | xargs -n1 echo |
| 21:41.31 | moof2_ | oh, forgot about that one |
| 21:41.45 | moof2_ | that will run faster than the for loop |
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| 21:41.48 | peterS | echo Dion{1..50} | tr ' ' '\n' |
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| 21:43.50 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I still can't get my kernel to boot. :/ |
| 21:43.54 | peterS | actually the xargs -n1 echo version will not run faster, as that'll have to fork 50 echo binaries. the for loop will use the shell's builtin echo. |
| 21:44.12 | moof2_ | Dion, so are you interested in any of these areas? |
| 21:44.32 | Dion | Reading up on these now. |
| 21:45.20 | peterS | and of course note that all instances of {1..50} are bashisms so if you're in a generic /bin/sh, use something based on $(seq) instead |
| 21:45.31 | peterS | like: seq 1 50 | sed 's/^/Dion/' |
| 21:45.43 | Tramp | Dion: printf '%s\n' Dion{1..50} - don't use xargs, seq unless you absolutely have to and avoid echo |
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| 21:46.26 | Th0rsten | can someone tell me how i install something in wine which does not have an installer? |
| 21:46.45 | Tramp | Dion: and for the {..} construct, see "man bash", search for "brace expansion". It's a bash feature and not portable |
| 21:47.00 | moof2_ | so, the shell is very powerful (and it's too easy for a bash script to become unreadable, or for it to be very difficult to read,,, as you can see, the shell has a language to it that you can write steps for it to perform... |
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| 21:48.44 | jhutchins | Th0rsten: Probably not without more explanation of what the thing is, but maybe you just run it with wine? |
| 21:48.53 | peterS | Th0rsten: if you remove the words "in wine" from your question, would you know the answer then? |
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| 21:50.57 | Th0rsten | do i just move it to the directory mapped as drive c? |
| 21:51.14 | peterS | think about my question. What would you do if you weren't in wine? |
| 21:51.19 | Th0rsten | when i try to run it nothing happend |
| 21:51.34 | Th0rsten | well extract it somewhere and start i guess |
| 21:51.44 | peterS | do that, then |
| 21:51.50 | HelenaKitty | Th0rsten: Wine is a subsystem |
| 21:51.51 | peterS | extract it somewhere then start it with wine |
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| 21:52.02 | Th0rsten | but it does not do anything when i try to start it with wine so I assumed i had to do something before |
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| 21:52.10 | HelenaKitty | It is basically the Windows environment brought to linux |
| 21:52.34 | HelenaKitty | If programs install on drive C in Windows then they install in drive C in wine. |
| 21:53.02 | Th0rsten | ah ok i tried starting it in a terminal now and got an error. might be useful |
| 21:53.28 | moof2_ | Dion, point being there are languages other than the shell (one person suggested perl) you might find more expressive and/or more readable |
| 21:53.33 | HelenaKitty | Why don't u just post the error? |
| 21:53.49 | Th0rsten | wine: Install Mono for Windows to run .NET 2.0 applications. |
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| 21:56.17 | HelenaKitty | peterS: I'm still unable to boot my kernel. :( |
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| 21:59.07 | biesbjerg | actually it says @property(nonatomic, assign) int id; |
| 21:59.16 | biesbjerg | oops |
| 21:59.19 | biesbjerg | wrong window |
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| 22:01.50 | Psychonaut | Is checkroot-bootclean.sh a script which should be enabled by default ? |
| 22:01.54 | Th0rsten | but it seems I already got mono installed. Why would wine not recognize it? Or do i need to start it additionally? |
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| 22:02.44 | Psychonaut | I upgraded to 7.0 and it seems that the system isn´t working as expected when I got this inits active |
| 22:04.01 | moof2_ | Psychonaut, you'd have to be more specific than that... if I try to read between the lines, there are several issues that may be unrelated to each other |
| 22:04.21 | moof2_ | you'd have to be specific with the intent to inform on each one |
| 22:04.51 | Psychonaut | I still didn´t scaled it down, but I think when I set this to active, I am loosing ssh and other connections every few minutes |
| 22:05.05 | Psychonaut | when I remove it from the starttree and reboot that everything seems fine |
| 22:05.16 | Psychonaut | I can´t be more specific at this time sorry |
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| 22:05.51 | Psychonaut | I just thought that someone know about problem with that script or if it should be run on every reboot |
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| 22:05.55 | moof2_ | could you see if dpkg --configure --pending wants to do anything? |
| 22:06.42 | Psychonaut | negative |
| 22:06.53 | Psychonaut | nothing to do |
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| 22:07.01 | moof2_ | ok, howbout apt-get -f install |
| 22:07.11 | Psychonaut | negative |
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| 22:08.04 | moof2_ | hmm. what's the name of the script again? |
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| 22:08.14 | Psychonaut | checkroot-bootclean.sh |
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| 22:08.39 | moof2_ | , file checkroot-bootclean.sh |
| 22:08.47 | judd | Search for checkroot-bootclean.sh in wheezy/i386: initscripts: etc/init.d/checkroot-bootclean.sh |
| 22:09.10 | jelly-home | Psychonaut: pastebin the whole script, please |
| 22:09.37 | HelenaKitty | o.o |
| 22:09.39 | moof2_ | Psychonaut, dpkg -s initscripts | grep Version |
| 22:09.43 | HelenaKitty | This is annoying :( |
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| 22:10.23 | Psychonaut | http://pastebin.com/mrmdgsbF |
| 22:10.35 | Psychonaut | Version: 2.88dsf-41 |
| 22:11.27 | moof2_ | , v initscripts |
| 22:11.28 | judd | Package: initscripts on i386 -- squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1; jessie: 2.88dsf-41; sid: 2.88dsf-41; wheezy: 2.88dsf-41; experimental: 2.88dsf-41+jessie1 |
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| 22:11.46 | moof2_ | that's the right one... |
| 22:12.24 | Psychonaut | Do you have 7.0 installed ? Can you take look if it is active for you ? |
| 22:12.34 | Psychonaut | because I upgrade from 6 |
| 22:12.59 | moof2_ | sure, I have two machines I recently upgraded from the same |
| 22:13.08 | Psychonaut | ok |
| 22:13.40 | moof2_ | well in one case, I had to lenny->squeeze, squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:14.15 | jelly-home | Psychonaut: that script seems to be the same as on my system (modulo pastebin.com's "raw" download setting CRLF line delimiters) |
| 22:14.18 | Th0masR0ss | moof2_: was that a pain lol? |
| 22:14.28 | moof2_ | not really |
| 22:14.58 | jelly-home | Psychonaut: what about "md5sum /lib/init/bootclean.sh" |
| 22:15.13 | Psychonaut | 22e6578f1049c9b1238454262ecac61d |
| 22:15.17 | jelly-home | 22e6578f1049c9b1238454262ecac61d /lib/init/bootclean.sh |
| 22:15.50 | Psychonaut | I think I will monitor if the timeouts are fixed, would say this script is mandatory for anything to stay active ? |
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| 22:17.01 | HelenaKitty | bullies jelly-home |
| 22:17.05 | HelenaKitty | o.o |
| 22:17.12 | jelly-home | Psychonaut: it looks useful but not critically important and yes it's enabled by default |
| 22:17.40 | Psychonaut | ok thx |
| 22:17.52 | HelenaKitty | http://i.imgur.com/chjvsKc.jpg |
| 22:17.55 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: ? |
| 22:18.08 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home: ? |
| 22:18.18 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: you highlighted |
| 22:18.32 | HelenaKitty | okies :3 |
| 22:18.44 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: why did you do it? |
| 22:19.01 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home: It would be lovely of you politely clicked my link! :3 |
| 22:19.04 | HelenaKitty | please |
| 22:19.09 | jelly-home | no thanks |
| 22:19.12 | HelenaKitty | :( |
| 22:19.21 | jelly-home | explain it in words. |
| 22:19.38 | jelly-home | then if I know anything about it, I might click. |
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| 22:20.16 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home: It's the output from my kernel at bootup. |
| 22:20.34 | HelenaKitty | Throwing errors. |
| 22:20.42 | Robert_L | I want to create a deb package for vmware tools. I need to deploy them to a number of machines. Is there a way to watch all the files that are created during the vmware compile based installation? |
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| 22:21.23 | moof2_ | Robert_L, dig thru the make install output? |
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| 22:21.40 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: I'm not going to bother looking at your broken systems for free, sorry, it's always some obscure issue stemming from having crap installed |
| 22:21.56 | Robert_L | moof2_ that's what I was afraid of. Thanks. |
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| 22:22.56 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: I'd rather help people that actually learn from their mistakes |
| 22:23.22 | jelly-home | and are not evasive about the OS they run and the things they did to it |
| 22:24.27 | jelly-home | Robert_L: open-vm-tools are present in Debian 7 |
| 22:24.52 | jelly-home | ,i open-vm-tools-dkms |
| 22:24.53 | judd | No package named 'open-vm-tools-dkms' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 22:24.59 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 22:25.14 | jelly-home | ,i open-vm-dkms |
| 22:25.18 | judd | Package open-vm-dkms (kernel, extra) in wheezy/i386: Source for VMware guest systems driver (DKMS). Version: 2:8.8.0+2012.05.21-724730-1+nmu2; Size: 1192.5k; Installed: 5697k; Homepage: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:25.36 | Robert_L | jelly-home, slick |
| 22:25.39 | Robert_L | hthanks |
| 22:26.42 | jelly-home | Robert_L: to make dkms bits work, you'll want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential if they're not already there |
| 22:27.01 | jelly-home | ,i open-vm-tools |
| 22:27.05 | judd | Package open-vm-tools (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: tools and components for VMware guest systems (CLI tools). Version: 2:8.8.0+2012.05.21-724730-1+nmu2; Size: 847.9k; Installed: 2372k; Homepage: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:27.14 | Robert_L | jelly-home, it just so happens I have a Deb7 VM on ESX 5.1 in my lab, with no tools |
| 22:27.58 | jelly-home | Robert_L: yeah, go ahead and install open-vm-tools and see how it works out. ESX 5 detects them as 3rd party but things work |
| 22:28.33 | jelly-home | ESX 4.0 says "unknown", but it also works ;-) |
| 22:28.43 | Robert_L | jelly-home, I use vmwarexferlogs to push information out of the guest into the vmware logs, I'm excited to see if that funcationality exists |
| 22:29.09 | jelly-home | haven't tried that one |
| 22:29.16 | Robert_L | jelly-home, the installer auto-detected the kernel headers and added it to the package list |
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| 22:30.23 | jelly-home | Robert_L: installer for what, vmware tools? open-vm-tools are supposed to replace all of those as far as I can tell |
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| 22:31.03 | Robert_L | jelly-home, sorry, I did apt-get install open-vm-tools and it detected my kernel version and arch and installed the correct headers, along with dkms |
| 22:32.13 | jelly-home | oh, alright |
| 22:32.35 | Robert_L | jelly-home, well FWIW on Debian 7 64bit inside ESX 5.1, the tools do report as 3rd party, and the os is "Other" (not Debian :( ) but so far so good. Thanks! |
| 22:32.49 | Robert_L | just being able to initiate a guest shutdown will be awesome |
| 22:33.06 | jelly-home | that ought to work |
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| 22:35.28 | Robert_L | jelly-home, also the native tools do correctly report Debian 6 as the os version on my D6 guests. It's not a big deal, just FYI |
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| 22:38.30 | Devastator | my god.. in order to install steam, I have to backport libc6 which has unsatisfiable dependencies, cool huh?! heheh |
| 22:38.31 | fbc_ | Hi guys I install debian 6.0.7 to a 3tb raid 5 set. When I reboot I get 'error out of disk'. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:41.15 | moof2_ | Devastator, installing a different version of libc6 is likely to cause major damage to your system |
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| 22:43.28 | fbc_ | Hi guys I install debian 6.0.7 to a 3tb raid 5 set. When I reboot I get 'error out of disk'. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 22:43.46 | fbc_ | Its a GRUB ERROR |
| 22:43.57 | fbc_ | I endup at the grub rescue prompt |
| 22:45.10 | jelly-home | Robert_L: yeah, I thought that'd clear up once we upgrade from ESX 4 |
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| 22:45.33 | jelly-home | apparently not |
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| 22:48.06 | Robert_L | jelly-home, vmware-xferlogs works |
| 22:48.26 | Robert_L | I was exploiting a bug in the 5.0 version though that would let me dump a string of plain text to the log |
| 22:48.37 | Robert_L | that bug was fixed in 5.1, and also in the open-vm-tools |
| 22:48.42 | Robert_L | so oI'll have to find some other solution |
| 22:49.32 | Administrator__ | I was hoping someome might be able to help I want to search the content of files on the hard drive for a phrase and print out the names of any files that contain that content. Is there a short awk/gawk script that I can use to do this..>It would save a lot of time! thanks |
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| 22:50.55 | Administrator__ | never mind figured it out |
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| 22:55.20 | james41382 | Can anyone tell me about the GUI in Wheezy? |
| 22:55.43 | Uruclef | what about it? |
| 22:55.46 | james41382 | There are 3 options by default it looks like, Gnome, Gnome Classic, and Default (Xfce4)? |
| 22:56.34 | zerick | I love Gnome Classic :C |
| 22:57.05 | james41382 | zerick: I am fairly new to Linux. Would you care to tell me why? |
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| 22:57.51 | zerick | james41382, Well, It's pretty simple |
| 22:57.51 | Vicissitude | james41382, it should also have available KDE |
| 22:57.57 | moof2_ | there are a lot more options than that, lots of DEs and lots of wms |
| 22:58.22 | zerick | james41382, by now Gnome in its latest version is quite similar to OSX |
| 22:58.40 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I don't see KDE as an option. |
| 22:59.01 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I am sure it could be installed. |
| 22:59.18 | Vicissitude | oh, yes, it certainly could. But I distinctly remember it being an option, too |
| 22:59.18 | zerick | james41382, KDE is quite similar to windows 7 |
| 22:59.30 | zerick | I mean, appearance |
| 22:59.35 | Th0masR0ss | no |
| 22:59.42 | Th0masR0ss | !start a de war |
| 22:59.42 | dpkg | Emacs sucks! |
| 22:59.47 | james41382 | zerick: Gnome 3.4 is the version that comes with Wheezy I believe. It looks similar to OSX? |
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| 23:00.03 | james41382 | zerick: KDE looks similar to Windows 7? |
| 23:00.11 | mtn | james41382: wikipedia has articles about all of them |
| 23:00.12 | moof2_ | james41382, debian has thousands of packages in the main repo, all of them installable |
| 23:00.34 | mtn | so much choice you can't stand it |
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| 23:00.43 | fbc_ | Hi guys I install debian 6.0.7 to a 3tb raid 5 set. When I reboot I get 'error out of disk'. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:00.51 | james41382 | So I can install as many as I like and upon installation they'll be automatically confiured so that I can select one when I login to x? |
| 23:01.48 | Uruclef | exactly |
| 23:01.56 | moof2_ | james41382, Yes. debian packages are installed in two stages: the first is unpacking (which is in common to most dists) and then the second is configuration |
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| 23:02.46 | zerick | james41382, KDE, yes, visually |
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| 23:02.55 | Uruclef | james41382: anyway, you can basically install whichever desktop or windows manager you prefer |
| 23:03.02 | james41382 | Pretty neat. I remember I installed RedHat about 15 years ago and I ran it for a while, but I recall having to setup most everything. This install was cake by comparison. |
| 23:03.18 | Uruclef | most of them will provide you with all you need - that is a desktop and some window handling/interfaces |
| 23:03.20 | zerick | james41382, Gnome 3.4, fairly similar, fairly, i would say a 50% similar :), again, just visually |
| 23:03.41 | Uruclef | some of them are not very friendly |
| 23:03.41 | scootypuff | does anyone know how to fix a misaligned partition? |
| 23:03.58 | Uruclef | but those are the least used :) |
| 23:03.59 | james41382 | Uruclef: Can you elaborate on the difference between a desktop and window manager? |
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| 23:04.15 | Uruclef | A window manager is a program that handles your windows |
| 23:04.23 | Uruclef | (program or set of programs) |
| 23:04.35 | jelly-home | scootypuff: back up the data, delete it, create a new aligned one, format the filesystem and restore data |
| 23:04.40 | Uruclef | that means, a program that decorates them with buttons |
| 23:04.50 | Uruclef | handles the interaction with the mouse and such |
| 23:05.03 | Uruclef | a desktop manager, is a more comprehensive suite |
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| 23:05.13 | Uruclef | that usually has bars at the top/bottom of the screen |
| 23:05.20 | Uruclef | an actual desktop in which icons can be placed |
| 23:05.33 | Uruclef | and usually comprises a window manager |
| 23:05.50 | james41382 | So the desktop by default in Wheezy is X windows? |
| 23:05.59 | Uruclef | no |
| 23:06.02 | james41382 | Oh.. |
| 23:06.03 | scootypuff | jelly-home: when i reformat it still is misaligned. its a new wd hdd i bought |
| 23:06.14 | Uruclef | that's the window system :) |
| 23:06.20 | Uruclef | it's a bit complex actually |
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| 23:06.29 | james41382 | Thanks. X windows is what I recall from way back when.. |
| 23:06.36 | jelly-home | scootypuff: that implies you did not put the new partition start to an aligned offset |
| 23:06.40 | Uruclef | X is the "base" piece of software |
| 23:06.52 | Uruclef | that gives you a mouse pointer |
| 23:06.56 | jelly-home | scootypuff: mbr or gpt? |
| 23:06.59 | Uruclef | and some basic window interface |
| 23:07.06 | Uruclef | it's the program that the other ones refer to |
| 23:07.15 | Uruclef | when they want to create a window and fill it with content |
| 23:07.20 | james41382 | So the Window Manager (X Windows) is the base and Gnome or Xfce4 is the Desktop Environment? |
| 23:07.24 | Uruclef | window and desltop managers |
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| 23:07.30 | Uruclef | are a layer on top of that |
| 23:07.37 | scootypuff | jelly-home: gpt. im using disk utility so i dont know why its messing up |
| 23:07.40 | Uruclef | yep, exactly |
| 23:07.53 | james41382 | Oh okay.. Thanks that's quite helpful! =] |
| 23:07.57 | Uruclef | np :) |
| 23:08.07 | Uruclef | I'm not a great experct of the technicalities involved |
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| 23:08.14 | jelly-home | scootypuff: eh, sorry, I can't help with gpt |
| 23:08.18 | Uruclef | but this is the feeling of it |
| 23:08.27 | james41382 | That's alright I just wanted to grasp the basic concept. |
| 23:08.45 | jelly-home | scootypuff: frankly I thought the underlying parted tool always aligned on 1MiB |
| 23:08.46 | Uruclef | if you want to compare a desktop environment |
| 23:08.50 | james41382 | I was thinking about trying out some and seeing what I like. |
| 23:08.50 | Uruclef | and a window manager |
| 23:08.59 | Uruclef | you can take Xfce and Fluxbox or Openbox as examples |
| 23:09.05 | Uruclef | yep, that's the best way |
| 23:09.14 | scootypuff | jelly-home i can reformat it to mbr if that means you know how to fix it |
| 23:09.18 | Uruclef | but let me tell you: in the long run it's not going to matter much :) |
| 23:09.29 | james41382 | Uruclef: Why do you say that? |
| 23:10.08 | Uruclef | because after all you're more interested in what's happening inside the windows, more than to the windows themselves |
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| 23:10.56 | Uruclef | at least, this is my experience |
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| 23:11.09 | jelly-home | scootypuff: hah, if you do that with, say, a recent fdisk, like the one in debian 6 or 7, it will use the 1MiB alignment by default |
| 23:12.13 | scootypuff | jelly-home: ill give that a try |
| 23:12.22 | james41382 | Yeah well I really want to familiarize myself with Linux because I want to study CS. |
| 23:12.49 | james41382 | I know that Unix based OS' make up the majority of non end user computers |
| 23:12.56 | Uruclef | james41382: in that case, you'd better start familiarizing with the terminal more than with graphical interface |
| 23:13.03 | james41382 | Yes of course. |
| 23:13.07 | Administrator__ | I can find all the files with a matching string with grep -r "some string" / but How do I exclude permission denied files from listing |
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| 23:13.21 | james41382 | Uruclef: I do okay getting around in a shell. |
| 23:13.31 | Uruclef | james41382: that's nice :) |
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| 23:14.07 | james41382 | I mean I'm not great and there's quite a bit of reading being done, but I am able to figure things out. |
| 23:14.18 | james41382 | I like the learning aspect of this all! |
| 23:14.28 | Uruclef | yep! |
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| 23:14.36 | james41382 | Of course the GUI is nice too though... |
| 23:14.36 | jelly-home | Administrator__: you can hide the errors by redirecting stderr, file descriptor 2, to nowhere: grep -r "some string" / 2>/dev/null |
| 23:14.43 | Uruclef | Administrator__: what about 2> /dev/null? |
| 23:14.46 | Uruclef | heheh :D |
| 23:15.00 | Uruclef | exactly |
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| 23:16.34 | jelly-home | scootypuff: of course, you'll lose data but I guess you're aware of that |
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| 23:17.32 | Administrator__ | thanks guys |
| 23:17.36 | Administrator__ | should have thought of that |
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| 23:19.42 | scootypuff | jelly-home: its a brand new hdd |
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| 23:22.34 | iTails | I'm having an issue with a debian install on my HTC Evo 3D. It's installed and I can SSH to it from a remote computer, however when I start tightvnc, I always get a refused connection. Has anyone successfully gotten this to work? I've also tried xrdp, but it was causing the same issue. |
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| 23:23.46 | Uruclef | iTails: never tried that. Are you sure that everything is correct? (IP/port) |
| 23:24.13 | iTails | Yes. The phone it set up on my wireless access point right now with static IP. |
| 23:24.19 | Uruclef | because since it happensok |
| 23:24.23 | Uruclef | whops |
| 23:24.23 | Uruclef | sorry |
| 23:24.24 | Uruclef | ok |
| 23:24.29 | fbc_ | Hi guys I installed debian 6.0.7 to a raid 5 set. When I reboot I get a grub'error out of disk'. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:24.59 | iTails | I initially tried to connect locally on the phone with localhost and it still gives me a connection refused. I've put in almost every credential possible to see if that was the issue. |
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| 23:25.43 | Uruclef | wait - are you telling me that ssh drops when you run one of those servers? |
| 23:26.25 | iTails | This is the error I always get: VNC connection failed! - Failed to connect to localhost/127.0.0.1 (port 5900): connect failed: ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
| 23:27.37 | iTails | I can connect with SSH just fine, it's only the VNC/RDP part that doesn't work. |
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| 23:27.57 | petn-randall | fbc_: If you do a fresh installation, take wheezy. Squeeze is the old stable and only supported for ~10 months. |
| 23:28.21 | Uruclef | oh, ok |
| 23:28.33 | Uruclef | have you tried changing port? |
| 23:28.48 | petn-randall | fbc_: Are you even sure grub from squeeze can boot from raid5? If so, how are the disks partitioned? |
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| 23:32.04 | diphtherial | hey, i have a broadcom bcm4318, which is apparently supported; it's being detected by lspci as well |
| 23:32.26 | diphtherial | how would i go about enabling it and using it as a wireless access point, routing the traffic from it over my wired connection? |
| 23:32.38 | iTails | Uruclef, just tried that now. Still to no avail. It keeps creating new X desktops when i change a setting though. |
| 23:33.18 | Uruclef | iTails: what do you mean? |
| 23:33.46 | iTails | localhost:~# vncserver -httpport 5900 |
| 23:33.47 | iTails | New 'X' desktop is localhost:2 |
| 23:34.21 | Uruclef | oh, ok |
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| 23:36.01 | moof2_ | isn't that normal? |
| 23:36.35 | moof2_ | doesn't vncserver make a new display? |
| 23:36.35 | ImaLamer | diphtherial: do you have any way to test it as working before you try to turn in into an Access piont |
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| 23:37.57 | diphtherial | ImaLamer: i'm running a wireless network here that it could connect to |
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| 23:38.29 | diphtherial | i don't know how to do that from the command-line, though; it's a headless box |
| 23:38.47 | iTails | moof2, I don't really know. I'm still learning how to remote into servers and desktops. The furthest I've gotten is connecting with ssh. |
| 23:39.32 | diphtherial | actually, if it'd be possible it'd be nice for it to just extend the existing wireless network; it's connected via a wired connection to the wireless router |
| 23:39.49 | diphtherial | (that's not a requirement, though; it'd be fine for it to just broadcast its own wireless network, which will hopefully reach the back of my house) |
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| 23:46.20 | ImaLamer | diphtherial: i just wanted to be sure the card works - with iwconfig you can make it an AP |
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| 23:47.16 | iTails | Uruclef, moof2 nevermind I got it to work. I wasn't putting in the right credentials. I initially thought I had to login as root, but that is not the case. Thanks. |
| 23:47.35 | Uruclef | oh :) |
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| 23:47.46 | Uruclef | cool |
| 23:47.51 | Uruclef | nice to know that it works |
| 23:48.36 | diphtherial | are iwlist and iwconfig part of the wicd package? |
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| 23:49.01 | cdemwell | Hi there |
| 23:49.09 | ImaLamer | i don't believe so 'apt-cache search iwconfig' |
| 23:49.31 | cdemwell | I have a question about software that used to work on debian 6 and now does not work on debian 7, where the problem appears to be related to font substitution. Is this the right place to ask about it? |
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| 23:50.33 | faster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.44 | faster | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 23:50.58 | faster | anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 23:51.01 | mtn | faster: open synaptic and fix your repositories |
| 23:51.13 | mtn | faster: you can also edit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 23:51.21 | moof2_ | cdemwell take each problem you're having with each piece of software separately, and tell the exact problem you're having, with all output and error messages. |
| 23:51.22 | jhutchins | cdemwell: It's probably appropriate, but font substitution hardly constitutes a major break. |
| 23:51.37 | cdemwell | you'd think so. |
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| 23:52.26 | cdemwell | OK, so: I have a minimal repro case whereby on Debian 6, PhantomJS does appropriate font substitution, but on Debian 7 it picks the first font alphabetically to substitute |
| 23:52.29 | cdemwell | ie, I give it |
| 23:52.33 | moof2_ | a major breakage is a problem that causes the program to not work, or worse, causes other programs to not work |
| 23:52.40 | cdemwell | font-family: Helvetica, Helvetica Neue, Arial,sans-serif |
| 23:52.42 | faster | mtn, i opened synaptic, im not sure what to do next |
| 23:52.54 | mtn | faster: settings, repostories |
| 23:53.04 | cdemwell | well, this means that this headless browser that is supposed to render web pages can't render them legibly |
| 23:53.08 | faster | k |
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| 23:53.48 | cdemwell | anyhow I'm trying to track this down |
| 23:53.51 | moof2_ | it seems you could install fonts that are closer to what you want, and adjust the font size in the browser preferences |
| 23:53.58 | faster | mtn then... |
| 23:54.00 | cdemwell | that's not a solution. |
| 23:54.14 | mtn | faster: what don't you understand about the screen? |
| 23:54.28 | cdemwell | I'm trying to track down what changes to fontconfig or related systems may have happened for debian 7 |
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| 23:54.45 | faster | mtn, what im supposed to dfo |
| 23:54.47 | moof2_ | the packages each have changelogs |
| 23:54.48 | faster | do* |
| 23:54.58 | cdemwell | do you figure that it'll be fontconfig? |
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| 23:55.14 | moof2_ | no idea |
| 23:55.32 | moof2_ | either that or some fonts may have been removed for one reason or another |
| 23:55.32 | cdemwell | do you have insight into what I should look into next to get a handle on this? |
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| 23:55.43 | mtn | faster: how about Download from ... |
| 23:56.06 | mtn | faster: and check first 3 boxes |
| 23:56.09 | moof2_ | do the fonts you want seem totally missing (no font file for it, no package installed)? |
| 23:56.31 | mtn | faster: go to next tab (Other Software) and uncheck cds. |
| 23:56.32 | cdemwell | The way font substitution works is that it's supposed to ask fontconfig what font to use |
| 23:56.36 | cdemwell | it asks for, say, helvetica |
| 23:56.49 | moof2_ | ok |
| 23:56.50 | cdemwell | helvetica isn't on the system, so fontconfig consults its rules and says "oh hey, use Nimbus Sans L" |
| 23:57.00 | faster | ok |
| 23:57.03 | cdemwell | in this case it uses aardvark.ttf or something |
| 23:57.06 | moof2_ | helvetica, isn't that a sans serif? |
| 23:57.22 | cdemwell | doesn't really matter in this case; a page could use many different fonts |
| 23:57.29 | cdemwell | putting only a single font on the system is not a solution |
| 23:57.51 | faster | thank you mtn |
| 23:57.52 | moof2_ | are there zero fonts now? |
| 23:57.58 | mtn | faster: welcome |
| 23:57.59 | faster | working now |
| 23:58.10 | cdemwell | no, there are many fonts |
| 23:58.21 | cdemwell | but it always picks the alphabetically first font |
| 23:58.31 | cdemwell | if I remove that font, it gives me the next one (alphabetically) |
| 23:58.59 | moof2_ | and the fonts are not grouped by visual attrib? |
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| 23:59.17 | cdemwell | no |
| 23:59.25 | cdemwell | they're usually named by the name of the font |
| 23:59.36 | cdemwell | so arial.ttf and nimbus.ttf or what have you |
| 23:59.46 | cdemwell | that's why there's a fontconfig system to figure out what substitutions to use |
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