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| 00:02.00 | pdevine | does apt use a SAT solver for doing its dependency resolution, or does it just walk its graph? |
| 00:02.56 | jelly-home | it's a homebrew solution; there was a SAT plugin somewhere in the works |
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| 00:04.29 | ShinyObjects1 | Hey all - I'm having an issue with monit |
| 00:04.42 | ShinyObjects1 | I have an app that takes about 45 seconds to start up |
| 00:05.12 | ShinyObjects1 | Sometimes it experiences errors that'll freeze it up and it stops responding on port 8089 |
| 00:05.36 | ShinyObjects1 | So I have monit check port 8089 every 10 seconds, and if it fails for 6 cycles it restarts the process |
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| 00:05.50 | ShinyObjects1 | The problem is that once it restarts the process it doesn't reset its failure count |
| 00:06.01 | ShinyObjects1 | So 10 seconds later it checks again, fails, and tells the app to restart |
| 00:06.26 | ShinyObjects1 | (since it's failed for 7, 8, 9 cycles at that point) |
| 00:06.26 | jelly-home | ShinyObjects1: why does it fail 10 seconds later? |
| 00:06.37 | ShinyObjects1 | Because the app takes 45 seconds to start up |
| 00:06.51 | Th0masR0ss | ah |
| 00:07.03 | jelly-home | ShinyObjects1: so let it check not more often than 45 seconds |
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| 00:07.34 | ShinyObjects1 | jelly-home: I would consider that, but monit also needs to handle a lot of other apps on the same machine. The 10 second granularity is pretty important |
| 00:07.42 | ShinyObjects1 | Thanks for the suggestion though. |
| 00:07.59 | ShinyObjects1 | Does anyone know a way to get monit to reset its failure count once it triggers its action? |
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| 00:24.35 | sim590 | how can I find out what apt (package) tree I'm on? |
| 00:24.41 | sim590 | like wheezy, etc.. |
| 00:24.53 | jelly-home | sim590: "apt-cache policy" |
| 00:25.15 | sim590 | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 00:33.02 | Guest85317 | Hi i'd like to know when systemd will be up to date in debian |
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| 00:33.21 | Guest85317 | The version available in sid is old like hell |
| 00:34.27 | mardok45 | I'm on a brand new install of Jessie on a PowerPC. The root filesystem is on an LVM partition and the initramfs doesn't have the LVM tools to discover it. How do I configure initramfs-tools to look for LVM partitions? |
| 00:34.57 | Guest85317 | Hi i'd like to know when systemd will be up to date in debian |
| 00:35.30 | jelly-home | !repeat |
| 00:35.30 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 00:35.54 | Guest85317 | !ask |
| 00:35.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:36.05 | Guest85317 | !dpkg |
| 00:36.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 00:36.11 | Guest85317 | !help |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | Guest85317: please stop |
| 00:36.28 | jelly-home | Guest85317: "ask" is more about concrete tech support issues |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | Guest85317: you'll have to send an email to the maintainer to find out |
| 00:36.31 | Th0masR0ss | !tell Guest85317 about PM |
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| 00:47.03 | mardok45 | initramfs-tools is not pulling in the LVM tools required to mount an LVM root partition. Does anyone know why? |
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| 00:50.09 | mardok45 | Oh, maybe it's because the installer didn't install lvm2 for some reason... |
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| 00:54.01 | mardok45 | That's weird. Even though I create an LVM partition, I still have to manually install LVM for some reason. Is this a bug? |
| 00:54.19 | koollman | it could be, yes |
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| 00:57.46 | squisher | mardok45, I _just_ installed a wheezy system with lvm, and lvm2 is already installed. BUT I do recall running into the same issue that you had in the past. Did you use an up-to-date installer? |
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| 00:59.51 | mardok45 | squisher: I downloaded a Jessie installer CD for PowerPC. |
| 01:00.03 | mardok45 | squisher: It was the default one linked on the site. |
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| 01:00.13 | banjo | hi |
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| 01:01.12 | mardok45 | squisher: I imagine in all likelyhood, you're installing for i386 or x86_64. Maybe the PowerPC CD is lagging behind in updates. |
| 01:01.31 | squisher | mardok45, then it's up-to-date. Not sure where the bug is then. I did use the netboot installer, which I think is the same as expert mode. Maybe last time I had the bug it was using the regular gui installer? Unfortunately I don't remember... |
| 01:01.42 | squisher | yes, amd64 here |
| 01:02.12 | squisher | it doesn't seem likely that lvm2 installation is arch specific though |
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| 01:19.28 | qiyong | what is /dev/.blkid.tab? |
| 01:20.08 | cafuego | Did you ask google? |
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| 01:29.56 | tenspeed705 | anyone know of a way to pump centerim audio through my ssh tunnel. I asked the folks in #centerim, not getting anywhere though |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | that sounds dirty :) |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | tenspeed705: did you look for a network aware sound daemon ? |
| 01:33.13 | abrotman | i see pulse, but i've never tried what you're asking |
| 01:33.23 | tenspeed705 | I thought it would come down to that. not quite sure what to use though |
| 01:34.50 | tenspeed705 | I guess i can try and send pulse through ssh using port forwarding. may be an option |
| 01:34.55 | tenspeed705 | something like ssh -L4000:localhost:4000 remotehost |
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| 01:47.59 | wakd | This http://i.imgur.com/SRbf3sE.png appeared over a running sudo script. 'ps aux' timestamps shows "udevd --daemon" as the only possibility. Nothing in /var/log/messages. Please help me discover what triggered it? |
| 01:48.41 | wakd | I did not close it yet |
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| 01:50.17 | tenspeed705 | @wakd is the link sfw? |
| 01:50.48 | wakd | link is "suitable for work" yes |
| 01:51.05 | wakd | tenspeed705, ^^ |
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| 01:52.56 | tenspeed705 | if you suspect a script, why not grep it out? grep -R "link" /* could take a while and probably an easier way...but worth a shot |
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| 01:54.40 | neytiri | how do i cross compile a c++ app for use on windows? |
| 01:55.02 | wakd | tenspeed705, its my script. I dont understand why you suggest grepping for "link" |
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| 01:58.03 | tenspeed705 | Sorry, I guess I did not understand the question |
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| 01:59.18 | lakcaj | I can't seem to find the package that provides the classical rlogin utility (not rlogin that calls ssh) |
| 01:59.54 | wakd | My question is what process caused the dialog that can be seen in the screenshot at http://i.imgur.com/SRbf3sE.png to appear? |
| 02:00.47 | wakd | Because unidentified messages randomly appearing is a bug and I want to report it against whatever owns it, process owns it. I am asking for help to identify what owns it. |
| 02:00.48 | tabeaux | wakd: Since it's your script, shouldn't you know? |
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| 02:01.51 | wakd | tabeaux, how does your comment help me? |
| 02:02.21 | tabeaux | wakd: Well I assume your script is calling the program that is giving this message? |
| 02:02.38 | theslow1 | wakd, can't you grep through the source files and see where it is called? |
| 02:02.53 | wakd | tabeaux, if it was that simple I would not be asking for help |
| 02:03.10 | wakd | theslow1, see where *what* is called? |
| 02:03.57 | theslow1 | grep -r "only system admins..." /source/dir |
| 02:04.00 | tabeaux | wakd: Right, which is why I'm asking why you don't know. Is the script that complex? |
| 02:06.29 | theslow1 | wakd, if it is not in your script source files, see if your script calls external programs which might produce the error |
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| 02:06.36 | wakd | my script basically runs mount, rsync, umount on a bunch of stuff. It has run 100s of times without this message. |
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| 02:06.59 | theslow1 | wakd, I assume you checked /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 02:07.16 | theslow1 | there may be helpfull info in it |
| 02:07.16 | tabeaux | wakd: mount and umount don't have any gtk code and probably not rsync either |
| 02:07.38 | wakd | theslow1, I will check now .. |
| 02:08.03 | wakd | I am not an expert sysadmin which is why I am asking here for suggestions, thanks :) |
| 02:08.18 | theslow1 | wakd, I am a student :D |
| 02:08.38 | tenspeed705 | kinda looks like zenity --error --text "Only sys admins have the permission to do this" |
| 02:09.30 | wakd | tenspeed705, no zenity in my script |
| 02:09.42 | wakd | tabeaux, yeah |
| 02:10.23 | wakd | theslow1, /var/log/auth.log looks fine, sudo and pam_user messages ok |
| 02:11.18 | tenspeed705 | perhaps your script didn't cause this. maybe something else was running or a cron job at the same time? |
| 02:11.44 | wakd | I suppose I could: grep 'Only sys admins have the permission to do this' / |
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| 02:13.27 | wakd | tenspeed705, does cron log its activity? I dont see it under /var/log |
| 02:13.41 | theslow1 | wakd, is is written in bash? |
| 02:13.58 | wakd | theslow1, my script is a bash script |
| 02:14.43 | tenspeed705 | cron should log to syslog |
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| 02:15.18 | theslow1 | wakd, basdb might help you step through the script |
| 02:15.27 | theslow1 | *bashdb |
| 02:16.00 | tenspeed705 | if you want to pop it in to paste bin, I wouldnt mind looking it over as well |
| 02:16.28 | pullphing | l |
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| 02:19.20 | wakd | tenspeed705, thanks for suggesting /var/log/syslog it shows that ntfs-3g was in use at that time. So I think it must be something between ntfs-3g and udevd |
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| 02:20.16 | tenspeed705 | yeah. those windows boxes will always get ya |
| 02:20.43 | tenspeed705 | ;) sorry. but if i can pass blame off to M$ i will |
| 02:20.55 | wakd | Thanks people for offering to look at my script but it uses many functions that you would not bother to trace. But underneath just mount, rsync, umount. |
| 02:21.41 | tenspeed705 | wakd, feel free to fix my audio over ssh as payment :) |
| 02:22.31 | wakd | Just weird that I've not seen this before. I will go look for some permission thing on the dest (backup) drive. |
| 02:22.39 | wakd | tenspeed705, hehe |
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| 02:22.50 | phix | session pam_motd.so motd=/etc/motd in /etc/pam.d/sshd doesn't run scripts in /etc/update-motd.d, am I missing something? |
| 02:23.54 | phix | Where is bcollins when you need him :) |
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| 02:27.39 | wakd | tenspeed705, even if it is ntfs-related, or I did caused it somehow, I feel that anonymous dialog alerts are poor coding and I want to bug report that aspect. |
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| 02:28.40 | wakd | "only system administrators have the permission to do this" ... do what? says who? |
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| 02:29.17 | abrotman | wakd: says the action you tried to perform |
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| 02:30.32 | wakd | abrotman, are you suggesting I should not care about this? |
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| 02:31.49 | abrotman | wakd: it happens every time? |
| 02:31.55 | tenspeed705 | I think aboirtman means you should try and recreate it. make sure its a bug and not some legit error before attacking some dev for no reason |
| 02:32.03 | milardovich | Hello guys, I don't know if this is the correct channel to ask this (if not please tell me where should I ask this). I have an ip camera at home, and it came with a special software for Windows where I can see the ip address of the camera. Is there a "manual" way to see it in Debian?. Because everytime I need to see something I need to switch to windows |
| 02:32.03 | atari314 | Hello, I'm trying to install an absolute minimal x11 (intel graphics). I'm using apt-get install libdrm-intel1 xserver-xorg-video-intel xinit xserver-xorg which does the trick great. But it's also installing libdrm-radeon and libdrm-nouveau1a too? Does anyone how can I do not install those? Tks. |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | atari314: xserver-xorg is still a meta package |
| 02:32.29 | wakd | abrotman, I was just thinking the same thing :) testing now ... |
| 02:32.57 | atari314 | abrotman, oh, didn't know that, tks :) |
| 02:33.07 | elkingrey | I've got an older hp pavilion running debian. It has an svideo card that allows me to connect to my tv. Since switching from Windows to Debian, this no longer works. I'm assuming there is some proprietary software out there for the svideo card that debian doesn't have. Does anybody else know if it's possible to get picture on my tv through the svideo card using debian? And if so, how? |
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| 02:33.51 | Sakara | hi all, I would like to add a terminal widget to my gnome desktop that has htop running in it. |
| 02:34.02 | Sakara | does anyone have any ideas how this could be done? |
| 02:34.08 | wakd | tenspeed705, yes, thats why I'm here, thanks ppl for helping |
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| 02:37.37 | abrotman | elkingrey: does it show up with xrandr? |
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| 02:39.02 | tenspeed705 | sakara check out Tilda. I think you make like it |
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| 02:39.16 | tenspeed705 | make = may |
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| 02:41.04 | squisher | Sakara, I don't know much about gnome, but you can also try to start the terminal to your liking and then add the final touches with a tool called devilspie (take away the border, on all desktops, position etc) |
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| 02:41.54 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 02:42.06 | tenspeed705 | hi |
| 02:42.38 | tenspeed705 | that was awkward. I don't remember the last time I said Hi on the internet |
| 02:42.43 | twinkie_addict | debian is great |
| 02:43.03 | twinkie_addict | ah |
| 02:43.22 | tenspeed705 | so are twinkies. Glad they are making a come back |
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| 02:43.51 | twinkie_addict | me too |
| 02:44.01 | squisher | twinkie_addict, it's not the end of the world, but yes, generally people don't say hi on joining because it just adds up to too many greating ;-) |
| 02:44.36 | twinkie_addict | mmm odd |
| 02:44.42 | theslow1 | milardovich, Can you set the IP to a static address? |
| 02:45.02 | squisher | twinkie_addict, I just add my hi to the first purposeful message I send to the channel |
| 02:45.09 | milardovich | theslow1, no, I think I can |
| 02:45.23 | milardovich | theslow1, but is there a way to know the ip also if it is static? |
| 02:45.35 | milardovich | Or maybe to see all the things connected to my router |
| 02:45.51 | squisher | elkingrey, that'll totally depend on the svideo card, you may want to paste a 'sudo lspci -k' |
| 02:46.01 | theslow1 | milardovich, do you know the make and model of your router? |
| 02:46.10 | milardovich | Yes |
| 02:46.20 | tenspeed705 | yup. Us internet/IRC folks are odd. We tend to join a channel say what we came to say, then either leave or stick around to answer other questions. |
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| 02:47.15 | squisher | or join a chat channel (I think there is a #debian-chat or something similarly named) |
| 02:47.16 | theslow1 | milardovich, I have a basic router: dlink DIR-655, and I can visit the admin at 10.0.0.1 |
| 02:47.20 | wakd | abrotman, as you suggested test I reran my backup script and the unknown dialog did not appear. I am puzzled about what triggered it because this script has run 100's of times no problem. So that is why it would be very helpful if it identified itself. So that is why I'm trying to identify where it came from, so I can suggest improving it or improve it myself. |
| 02:47.40 | milardovich | theslow1, oh, you mean that I may see all the connected things in the admin? |
| 02:47.46 | milardovich | I will take a look at it |
| 02:47.51 | theslow1 | milardovich, yep |
| 02:48.02 | milardovich | theslow1, thank you :) |
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| 02:48.41 | theslow1 | milardovich, no problem, if you run into trouble let me know the make and model of your router and I'll try and help you out further |
| 02:49.04 | milardovich | theslow1, thanks! |
| 02:49.12 | theslow1 | is searching for food |
| 02:49.25 | twinkie_addict | just thought i say ai and good night im off to bed |
| 02:49.27 | tenspeed705 | wakd, did you do anything else well the script was running? |
| 02:49.40 | twinkie_addict | see you all tomarow |
| 02:49.55 | tenspeed705 | wait lol. you came in to say HI and leave lol...wow... |
| 02:49.56 | wakd | tenspeed705, no |
| 02:50.33 | milardovich | theslow1, just found it, thanks! ;) |
| 02:51.03 | tenspeed705 | maybe check dmesg see if it shows anything weird. I am stumped. nothing you ran should have had any contact with gtk from what you are telling us. |
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| 02:54.26 | wakd | tenspeed705, aha! ata6 errors in dmesg. but the timestamps in dmesg are seconds since boot, how can I convert that to compare with the actual timestamps in the other logs? |
| 02:55.30 | Sakara | Thanks squisher. I'll have a look into that. |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | man date |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | wakd: man date |
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| 02:56.06 | tenspeed705 | dmsg -T |
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| 02:56.27 | elkingrey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/xUju0b5g |
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| 02:56.41 | wakd | abrotman, does date understands seconds since *boot* ? I know it does epoch. |
| 02:57.20 | tenspeed705 | dmesg -T will show time stamps |
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| 02:57.36 | elkingrey | squisher: http://pastebin.com/ZvN9wkve |
| 02:57.48 | poorrick | Alright I need to hunt down a process and murder it |
| 02:57.50 | poorrick | Help |
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| 02:57.55 | elkingrey | I also installed nvtv but have no idea what I'm doing with that. |
| 02:58.01 | poorrick | not showing up in ps or top, and pkill isn't killing it |
| 02:58.12 | poorrick | i refuse to just relog |
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| 02:58.41 | tenspeed705 | poorrick, explain? |
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| 02:59.38 | elkingrey | for all I know the svideo may be working properly and I simply don't know how to execute it. I used to issue the Fn + F4 command, but that doesn't work anymore. |
| 03:00.27 | poorrick | tenspeed705 I opened a conkeror window to go on omegle and see if my webcam worked--it doesn't. But now I'm stuck, the x button staight up doesn't work and any keybinds are useless. Every other conkeror window I create can leave just fine, but conkeror or compiz keybinds work on the window that's open to omegle |
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| 03:01.17 | wakd | tenspeed705, thanks for dmesg -T !! but the disk error occurred an hour later and seems unrelated except as a general indicator of unreliability. |
| 03:01.24 | tenspeed705 | try xkill :P |
| 03:01.37 | poorrick | tenspeed705 *don't work on the window that's open to omegle. |
| 03:01.50 | poorrick | tenspeed705 learn something everyday. |
| 03:02.12 | poorrick | But why in the hell didn't it show up in ps or top? |
| 03:03.00 | tenspeed705 | maybe a weird process name? or something just went really screwy |
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| 03:03.22 | poorrick | I'll buy that. Merci beaucoup |
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| 03:04.46 | tenspeed705 | wakd, im out of ideas. partially because I am way to tired. only thing I have left is a sys admin ssh in to the box just to fuck with you |
| 03:05.15 | tenspeed705 | err nvm. I recall you checked the auth log |
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| 03:06.19 | wakd | tenspeed705, heh, thanks a lot for your help, I just started "grep -r 'system administrators have the permission' /" and am going for lunch :) |
| 03:07.09 | tenspeed705 | shoot me a PM if you need anything. I can look at it in my morning :) |
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| 03:08.23 | wakd | tenspeed705, thx for kind offer but I will not trouble you further! |
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| 03:09.03 | tenspeed705 | hey. wakd, you still around? |
| 03:09.14 | wakd | tenspeed705, ? |
| 03:09.24 | tenspeed705 | I recall you mentioned ntfs-3g |
| 03:09.32 | wakd | tenspeed705, yes |
| 03:09.47 | tenspeed705 | http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16096 might find an answer in here. I took a shot and googed the error. |
| 03:10.53 | tenspeed705 | if not could google error+ntfs-3g |
| 03:12.21 | wakd | tenspeed705, I admit I did not google yet! My excuse is that the message seemed so generic. Thanks for the suggestion I will look into it later, I need to do other things now. |
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| 03:13.15 | gmzamz | hello |
| 03:13.31 | wakd | tenspeed705, I really appreciate all your help |
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| 03:19.49 | atari314 | Guys, does anyone know can I remove libdrm-nouveau1a and libdrm-radeon1 without removing libgl1-mesa-dri? Apt-get purge each will force removing also libgl1-mesa-dri. |
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| 03:24.04 | gmzamz | anyone active? |
| 03:24.40 | gmzamz | Wondering if anybody here has experience with third-party steam(the game client) chat program |
| 03:24.43 | squisher | atari314, they're dependencies... so no, there is no easy way to keep libgl1-mesa-dri while removing those other two |
| 03:25.55 | squisher | gmzamz, steam for linux is pretty new still and I'm not sure they have an API for 3rd party chatting |
| 03:26.31 | squisher | plus, there is always some discussion involved when adding closed source protocols to an open source client. |
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| 03:26.49 | atari314 | squisher, ok, tks, gonna rm the files by hand then :) |
| 03:26.52 | squisher | for example, some pidgin devs were not really happy that someone wrote a skype protocol plugin |
| 03:27.09 | squisher | atari314, just keep in mind that you may create odd failures that way |
| 03:27.10 | gmzamz | huh |
| 03:27.29 | gmzamz | Becuase I actually found a pidgin plugin for it |
| 03:27.46 | squisher | atari314, if you want to do this cleanly build that package from source and make sure you don't compile the drm stuff in. |
| 03:28.12 | squisher | gmzamz, I quote myself "I'm not sure" :-P |
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| 03:28.29 | atari314 | squisher, that's a great idea, tyvm! |
| 03:28.42 | gmzamz | okay |
| 03:28.57 | gmzamz | Guess I will install it and see if it works |
| 03:28.59 | squisher | gmzamz, it doesn't seem to be packaged yet, though |
| 03:29.06 | gmzamz | yeah it's just for ubuntu |
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| 03:29.32 | squisher | grab the sources and try to build it, chances are it will work without modifications |
| 03:30.09 | gmzamz | yeah, going to try that, will report back with my experiences, if it works |
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| 03:30.47 | batbadger | i've not seen this before- if i do sudo bash, then echo $PATH i have no sbin in it |
| 03:31.27 | batbadger | ahh i need to define a secure path |
| 03:32.23 | squisher | batbadger, I have 'Defaultssecure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" ' in mine (don't think I changed it) |
| 03:32.37 | batbadger | yeah, i'm not sure what's up |
| 03:32.44 | batbadger | that's what some of my other instances have |
| 03:32.55 | batbadger | i just did a dist upgrade from an old debian though |
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| 03:53.53 | i00nsu_ | yo, I installed debian 7.1 using a usb stick. Now to install stuff , ask me for cdrom... I need to download the iso and mount it ? |
| 03:56.16 | i00nsu_ | got it |
| 03:56.31 | i00nsu_ | comment "#" cdrom at source.list |
| 03:56.58 | gmzamz | mumbles something about typing to slow |
| 03:57.05 | gmzamz | at least you said your solution |
| 03:57.13 | gmzamz | *too |
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| 04:10.16 | daveee123 | tryna get refit to boot up a linux on a USB. i want to run linux from the USB always, as if it is an HDD through the USB port. I also want refit on the USB and not the main hdd on the mac. so i tried partitioning the usb: sudo diskutil partitionDisk disk1 2 GPTFormat jhfs+ refit 25M FREE debiusb R |
| 04:10.18 | daveee123 | then i installed debain on the FREE partition through virtualbox. |
| 04:10.21 | daveee123 | in the alt/option boot, i saw refit, and selected it, but after i selected linux in the refit menu, no disk was detected |
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| 04:34.04 | i00nsu_ | what service is represented in "netsat -antp" rpc.statd? |
| 04:34.31 | i00nsu_ | how important is to have active in server |
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| 05:00.22 | jmmy | How can I determine if my computer is 32 or 64? I forget? |
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| 05:01.55 | jmmy | uname -a |
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| 05:07.24 | qiyong | yes |
| 05:07.40 | qiyong | or arch |
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| 05:09.31 | mikodo | Xfce is staying with Xorg. Will Debian Xfce DE continue to support it, even once Wayland is up and running? |
| 05:11.32 | mikodo | Ya, I don't know where to ask such a question. but the question concerns me, and I want to stay with Xfce, hopefully with Debian |
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| 05:14.38 | mikodo | I know that Mir is not going to support it with XMir in Ubuntu past 13.10, so what next? |
| 05:15.26 | mikodo | A new distro with only Xorg/X11 |
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| 05:17.26 | mikodo | I guess i'll have to see what is out there. BYE! |
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| 07:11.30 | daveee123 | installing debian on a 64GB ssd, what size shoud the root file system be? |
| 07:11.42 | ulmer | moisen |
| 07:12.12 | ulmer | *moin |
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| 07:18.06 | tralala | daveee123, it really depends on your use. If you will have only debian there then just use the whole drive (perhaps leaving some space for swap) |
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| 07:20.15 | daveee123 | tralala: thanks |
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| 07:30.35 | ChoHag | How can I preseed the debian installer so that the regular network apt source (including security) is configured but not checked or used? |
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| 07:42.47 | lulz0r2 | I need to install Java on a debian 6 server machine, he finds openjdk-6-jdk but not openjdk-7-jdk, any easy way to install java 7? |
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| 07:52.02 | freddofrog | help... my bridge interface comes up manually (if I issue a ifup br0) but it doesn't come up on boot. |
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| 07:52.33 | ChoHag | It needs an auto line like lo |
| 07:52.41 | freddofrog | it has one |
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| 07:53.43 | ChoHag | Apparently not. |
| 07:55.18 | ChoHag | Have you stripped the interfaces file back to basics so that you can figure out what part is wrong? |
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| 07:56.40 | ChoHag | A basic file with auto, iface lo and iface br0 *does* work, even without any network cards. Get that working and then add whatever unique network configuration your site has. |
| 07:56.54 | freddofrog | ChoHag, hmmm... seems that the allow-hotplug eth0 was interfering somehow... though damned if I know why |
| 07:57.02 | ChoHag | See. |
| 07:57.05 | freddofrog | indeed |
| 07:57.08 | ChoHag | allow-hotplug is a pain in the arse. |
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| 07:57.15 | freddofrog | although... I still don't understand why |
| 07:57.17 | freddofrog | agreed |
| 07:57.24 | freddofrog | thanks |
| 07:57.24 | ChoHag | Because see above. |
| 07:57.27 | freddofrog | lol |
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| 08:02.32 | rethus | my apache won't start after reboot. |
| 08:02.35 | rethus | on squeeze |
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| 08:03.16 | rethus | update-rc.d apache2 defaults |
| 08:03.21 | rethus | System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. |
| 08:03.27 | rethus | but doesn't start |
| 08:03.39 | rethus | have to login via ssh and restart ist manualy. any idea why |
| 08:04.13 | marcusk | Does it say anything about it in the logs? |
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| 08:10.50 | freddofrog | ChoHag, all good now... thanks again |
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| 08:12.48 | ChoHag | No worries. |
| 08:13.20 | ChoHag | marcusk: Where *are* the logs of what's printed to the console on boot? |
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| 08:14.08 | ChoHag | The logs which the Debian powers that be made a point to save somewhere before introducing the option to getty to clear them off the screen before the administrator can read them. |
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| 08:18.36 | TheCodeAssassin | hey everybody |
| 08:18.37 | marcusk | ChoHag: It's not logged by default, unless you enable bootlogd |
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| 08:20.32 | TheCodeAssassin | silly question maybe, but my /etc/motd file does not accept #!/bin/sh |
| 08:20.38 | TheCodeAssassin | only pain text |
| 08:20.42 | TheCodeAssassin | *plain |
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| 08:36.08 | tralala | when making a snapshot with LVM which volume has the "frozen" data - the snapshot or the original volume? |
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| 08:44.22 | fortin | Hi folks. I've got dynamic libraries in a non default path. What's the best practice here? should I create symlinks in /usr/local/lib? update /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ ? |
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| 08:46.54 | tralala | fortin, doesn't ld.so.conf.d serve that exact purpose? |
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| 08:58.36 | Baribal | Hi. You guys sure are security-conscious... I've been reading the Internet Census 2012 paper yesterday, and, being fascinated by its simplicity, tried to replicate the mechanism on a VM. So far I haven't managed to figure out why root can't log in over telnet. ^^ |
| 08:58.39 | ChoHag | Has anyone managed to wrestle partman under control? |
| 08:58.41 | qiyong | what is the dpkg iF status? |
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| 08:59.15 | ChoHag | I've been looking at its code and it's ... weird. |
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| 09:00.16 | Sevet | Baribal: chances are the telnet daemon is configured so root isn't allowed to login |
| 09:00.30 | ChoHag | Some settings are used in some places but not others. Some actions are possible under some states but not others. |
| 09:00.43 | ChoHag | None bearing any apparent relation to what Linux is actually capable of. |
| 09:00.47 | qiyong | what shall I do with a half installed pkg? |
| 09:00.52 | qiyong | what log to look into? |
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| 09:01.22 | ChoHag | qiyong: Worst case, uninstall the package by hand and lie about it in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:02.22 | Baribal | Sevet, I thought so too; a quick glance revealed that there's no /etc/telnetd.conf or the like, and googling showed that that seems to be a matter of configuring PAM, a topic which I wasn't prepared to tackle while being so tired that my eyes closed. :) |
| 09:03.04 | ChoHag | Baribal: pam and /etc/securetty. |
| 09:03.18 | ChoHag | See also ssh. Don't use telnet unless you know you need telnet specifically. |
| 09:03.26 | themill | qiyong: start by showing us the full output of the apt or dpkg run (or "aptitude install"). Use a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 09:03.39 | qiyong | Status: install ok half-configured |
| 09:05.00 | Baribal | ChoHag, SSH I know, and with that, it's in sshd.conf or what it was called. I disabled root remote logins at my last company. :) I don't know how telnet does it precisely for the reason that I wouldn't dream of using telnet at all. I was just curious about "playing hacker" on my own VMs. |
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| 09:05.26 | qiyong | themill: just one line: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:05.27 | ChoHag | Baribal: In that case, pam and /etc/securetty. |
| 09:05.27 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.39 | themill | qiyong: please pastebin the full output of "aptitude install" |
| 09:05.51 | Baribal | As I said, Carna botnet. Seems like there's a scarily high number of world-accessible devices out there on which you can login as user root with password root over telnet... |
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| 09:06.10 | Baribal | Thanks. |
| 09:06.41 | ChoHag | Baribal: Yeah I just try not to think about them. |
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| 09:07.51 | Baribal | ...because they present a danger to the internet, or because their presence is so... seductive? :) |
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| 09:08.17 | neagix | what is the most lightweight way to have automount features? an udev rule? ideally I'd be fine with the device mounted somewhere (like in /media) automatically and also automatically unmounted but I'd like to run a script on both events |
| 09:10.48 | fortin | tralala, well the doc I've read said something like 'you should not use this other than for testing' but I guess it's ok to use it |
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| 09:19.27 | txomon|fon | any way to get rid of that random pop-up that obblies you to enter your admin pass for updating packages? |
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| 09:19.32 | txomon|fon | its HORRIBLE! |
| 09:19.42 | txomon|fon | and quite annoying |
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| 09:35.42 | valera | Hello, did anyone try to install debian using iDrac7 ? |
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| 09:39.36 | ksk | valera: in theory this should be no problem, but dracs used to suck sometime. whats your problem actually? |
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| 09:42.50 | valera | keyboard is not working (not working at all) tried upgrading firmware, etc |
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| 09:46.25 | roger21 | i'm trying stuff and i noticed taht installing lxde-desktop install gimp, so i'm checking the recommends and stuff of lxde-desktop and i can't find ginp, is there a way to have dpendancy/recommends tree that would show fromm wich package gimp get included? |
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| 09:48.06 | roger21 | sorry for the engrish, i'll start again |
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| 09:50.28 | larico | roger21> check debtree |
| 09:50.29 | roger21 | I am trying stuffs and I noticed that installing lxde-desktop installs gimp along, so i checked the dependancies and recommends of lxde-desktop and i can't find gimp, i there a way to get a depandencies and recommends tree that would show at witch point gimp get included? |
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| 09:58.22 | nkuttler | meh.. xul-ext-gnome-keyring wants to install iceape and remove iceweasel.. wth.. |
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| 10:03.04 | brokencycle | Hi! I have a problem with an application that uses Qt, which insists on having a "C" locale, and on being unable to use it. In fact I have a "en_US.utf8" locale instead. |
| 10:03.24 | brokencycle | Or at least, I like to think I have... env doesn't show a C locale anywhere. |
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| 10:14.19 | jelly | brokencycle: "C" is the default setting when no locale is chosen, it's compiled in. |
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| 10:15.13 | freddofrog | brokencycle, in some sense 'C' is historical... essentially it represents the way a un*x like system looked before there was such a thing as a 'locale' |
| 10:15.43 | freddofrog | ie. the system assumed you were in the usa.. and if you weren't... tough :) |
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| 10:22.01 | brokencycle | jelly, freddofrog: thanks - I am aware what the "C" locale is, but I am confused why this application insists on it being set when it should not. |
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| 10:22.45 | brokencycle | I would like the application to recognize the locale that I actually configured, but can't figure out, how. |
| 10:22.50 | sotrudnik | hi! maybe this is a right place to ask about apt; I got: E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6 on apt-get -f install |
| 10:23.27 | jelly | brokencycle: the "locale" command will show current values |
| 10:23.33 | sotrudnik | my apt is totally broken |
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| 10:24.07 | jelly | sotrudnik: this channel is for Debian issues only, which distro are you using? |
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| 10:24.26 | sotrudnik | jelly: debian-based one, called "ubuntu" |
| 10:24.43 | jelly | sotrudnik: then #ubuntu is the right channel, in theory |
| 10:24.55 | sotrudnik | jelly: I asked there first |
| 10:24.59 | jelly | sotrudnik: you may also try the generic ##linux |
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| 10:25.18 | sotrudnik | jelly: maybe ther's something like #apt? |
| 10:25.34 | jelly | sotrudnik: unfortunately there is not. Ask here only if you can reproduce the problem in Debian, please. |
| 10:25.40 | Sevet | !based on debian |
| 10:25.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:25.50 | Sevet | try #ubuntu |
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| 10:26.08 | jelly | Sevet: he just said he did |
| 10:26.34 | Sevet | ah missed that |
| 10:26.44 | dokma | I think my system has been breached. Can anyone take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/ze4rBfJA |
| 10:26.52 | sotrudnik | actually, all I did was to edit sources.list and change it to debian sid and testing |
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| 10:27.04 | sotrudnik | and re-installed libreoffice |
| 10:27.14 | sotrudnik | I want to migrate to debian |
| 10:27.20 | sotrudnik | w/o re-installing |
| 10:27.26 | jelly | sotrudnik: reinstall. There's no way around it. |
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| 10:27.52 | sotrudnik | I did the same a long ago |
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| 10:28.14 | sotrudnik | ubuntu's libreoffice has no report builder |
| 10:28.25 | Sevet | if you just switch from ubuntu -> debian sources you'll have a mixture of the two, you won't have a pure debian system |
| 10:28.28 | sotrudnik | and this is a must in our company and our database solutions |
| 10:28.29 | Sevet | you'll need to reinstall |
| 10:29.02 | jelly | sotrudnik: a system like that will be supportable neither in #debian nor in #ubuntu. You can make a new installation on the same machine, but a fresh install is the only sane option |
| 10:29.03 | Sevet | and a mixture isn't a good idea |
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| 10:30.06 | jelly | sotrudnik: trying to "upgrade" from one distro to another is just a waste of time, with unpredictable effects in short and long term |
| 10:30.13 | sotrudnik | okay, so what would be better? to keep ubuntu and install libreoffice .deb from site? |
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| 10:30.53 | themill | start with the installer from www.debian.org ... |
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| 10:31.40 | jelly | sotrudnik: from a PoV of keeping the current OS installation sane, yes |
| 10:32.32 | sotrudnik | okay then, I still don't know how to fix apt |
| 10:32.41 | sotrudnik | sources.list restored |
| 10:33.30 | themill | brokencycle: the particular locale string you showed earlier isn't a valid locale btw |
| 10:35.39 | crane_work | hey ho, i try get sign a multidomain cert. but it seems that my SAN var is not beeing used in this config file? https://pki-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/expert/server.conf.html |
| 10:37.19 | sotrudnik | http://pastebin.com/KG8HpqCi |
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| 10:44.29 | brokencycle | themill: checked that... it's http://pastebin.com/eCLBQKVP - sorry for the confusion. |
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| 10:44.52 | brokencycle | besides, I have locales-all installed. |
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| 10:45.56 | themill | brokencycle: and what does this Qt program do (or not do) with that locale? |
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| 10:53.30 | roger21 | so ... debtree task-lxde-desktop > lxde.dot ; dot -Tpng -o lkde.png lxde.dot ... + 8yo computer ... how screwd i am? |
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| 10:53.49 | roger21 | in term of hours? |
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| 10:59.16 | brokencycle | themill: I'm not sure why the program insists on running with a non-C locale, but have figured it out... a typo somewhere. =8-( |
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| 11:05.52 | yang | is there a livecd fron debian that also contains "ddrescue" and "lvm2" |
| 11:06.22 | themill | I'd expect the rescue image from live.debian.net does but it would be worth checking |
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| 11:07.24 | yang | oj thanks |
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| 11:08.29 | lispghost | hi |
| 11:08.37 | lispghost | I want to install debian on my mobile HDD |
| 11:08.42 | lispghost | how can I do it? |
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| 11:12.33 | funyun | hi. is there a way to make it so a user can use sudo mount but not be on the sudoers list? |
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| 11:13.11 | ksk | why the hell would you want that? the entries in sudoers file which can do what using sudo |
| 11:13.14 | dougmencken | I cannot live with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=713943 |
| 11:13.14 | Walex | funyun: very funny question! |
| 11:13.15 | ksk | *who can do what |
| 11:13.22 | joltcan | funyun: you can put the user in a group, and create a mount format to sudo |
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| 11:13.55 | funyun | basically. i don't want the user to have sudo rights, but he needs to be able to mount |
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| 11:14.08 | joltcan | funyun: or have everyone being able to run mount. The question is, should they be able to run unmount as well? Or would you rather use automount for cdroms/memcards etc? |
| 11:14.08 | Walex | funyun: you are asking whether someone can have both sudo rights and not have them |
| 11:14.13 | dougmencken | funyun: allow only /dbin/mount |
| 11:14.18 | dougmencken | sbin* |
| 11:14.29 | Walex | funyun: perhaps 'man sudoers' would help |
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| 11:14.53 | ksk | you can just specify to allow a specific command eg "mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo" to a user. |
| 11:14.55 | funyun | basically, the person who set up my server gave the user rights to use sudo for 1 specific task. i don't know how he did that. i assumed you guys would know |
| 11:15.16 | ksk | thats something you will be able to google in like <1 minute |
| 11:15.32 | ksk | if you are not willing to consult the manpage.. |
| 11:15.39 | joltcan | testuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/bin/mount |
| 11:15.59 | joltcan | funyun: but please do look at the man-file to see what that does |
| 11:16.06 | joltcan | s/does/mean |
| 11:16.21 | funyun | joltcan: thanks so much |
| 11:16.59 | funyun | i will |
| 11:17.17 | ChoHag | sudo's command parsing is quite primitive. |
| 11:17.20 | funyun | joltcan: can you tell me which man page? |
| 11:17.42 | ksk | man sudoers probably |
| 11:17.47 | joltcan | indeed |
| 11:17.48 | funyun | okay thanks |
| 11:17.50 | ChoHag | If you're thinking of having anything exotic in /etc/sudoers, you're probably breaking your security in some weird and wonderful way. |
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| 11:17.58 | joltcan | funyun: man -k sudo will search for you |
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| 11:18.02 | ChoHag | So stick to scripts in /usr/local/*bin or something. |
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| 11:18.26 | funyun | ChoHag: so don't do what joltcan recommended? |
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| 11:18.47 | ChoHag | Well it depends how much you want sudo to be a security feature. |
| 11:19.07 | ChoHag | The line as given will allow users to run /bin/mount as root with *any* options. |
| 11:19.28 | ChoHag | sudo is quite bad at restricting this to anything which isn't hard-coded in the sudoers. |
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| 11:19.47 | funyun | ChoHag: can any bad come of that? |
| 11:19.59 | Jonkey | what backup program is the best in linux? |
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| 11:20.09 | crane_work | boblee, *ping* |
| 11:20.10 | ChoHag | Bad things always come from root priveleges. |
| 11:20.32 | ChoHag | Jonkey: Invalid definition. To be the best, it would be unnecessary. |
| 11:20.36 | funyun | ChoHag: if you can recommend a safer way, i'd love to hear it |
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| 11:20.44 | ChoHag | funyun: Nope :) |
| 11:20.47 | petn-randall | Jonkey: There's no "best". It depends on what you want to backup, if the machines are running 24/7, if you want a GUI ... |
| 11:21.14 | ChoHag | Until recently I've treated sudo as something only I and other sysadmins can touch. |
| 11:21.23 | ChoHag | ie. I have full root, nobody else has any root. |
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| 11:21.47 | ChoHag | Mostly because of rumours to the effect of sudo's poor command parsing. |
| 11:21.54 | joltcan | funyun: what is it that someone should be able to mount? |
| 11:21.56 | ChoHag | Now I'm on the hunt for a better replacement. |
| 11:22.14 | ChoHag | For mounting, you can give users the ability to mount a specific device/mountpoint. |
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| 11:22.36 | ChoHag | With sudo, you can restrict users to running a specific script with a locked-down choice of options. |
| 11:22.36 | dougmencken | what changed in windfarm module since 3.2? |
| 11:22.40 | joltcan | if it's a line in /etc/fstab you could just add "user" to the options, then they could unmount as well |
| 11:22.45 | dougmencken | is it debian-specific or not? |
| 11:23.04 | joltcan | dougmencken: can probably look at all the details at packages.debian.org |
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| 11:23.31 | joltcan | dougmencken: is that a kernel module? |
| 11:23.42 | joltcan | because it's not a package apperantly |
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| 11:24.43 | Stavros | hello |
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| 11:25.14 | Stavros | i am reading the versioning docs (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version), and they mention "First the initial part of each string consisting entirely of non-digit characters is determined." which part is that? a version can be all digits |
| 11:25.51 | funyun | joltcan: .iso files. bluray movies mostly |
| 11:26.26 | funyun | when i edited /etc/sudoers, i see that's exactly what the person who set it up did with the xm command. thanks again for your help |
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| 11:27.32 | petn-randall | Jonkey: Answer my question here please, no in private. Also pay attention to the /topic. It says "/msg bots NOT people". |
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| 11:28.26 | petn-randall | s/no/not/ |
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| 11:29.47 | themill | Stavros: then you have an empty part as described in the very next sentence |
| 11:29.58 | Stavros | themill: what are "both" parts, though? |
| 11:30.06 | optraz | is there a log that keep track of what package is removed? |
| 11:30.11 | Stavros | the two versions being compared can both be digits |
| 11:30.16 | Stavros | therefore, you have two empty parts |
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| 11:30.32 | themill | Stavros: right, and one empty part is equal to the other empty part. |
| 11:30.40 | Stavros | but it says only one part can be empty |
| 11:31.04 | themill | Stavros: no, the word "only" is not there |
| 11:31.16 | Stavros | it says "one of which may be empty" |
| 11:31.20 | Stavros | therefore, two may not be empty |
| 11:31.31 | themill | no. when two are empty, one is also empty |
| 11:31.50 | Stavros | "one thing" and "at least one thing" are not the same |
| 11:31.58 | Stavros | neither is "one thing" and "one or both things" |
| 11:32.02 | themill | no |
| 11:32.12 | Stavros | so they can both be empty? |
| 11:32.33 | themill | obviously. |
| 11:32.47 | Stavros | it's not that obvious, 5 people read that and understood what i did |
| 11:33.02 | themill | understood that the versioning scheme is completely broken? |
| 11:33.12 | Stavros | haha, no, that the docs could use some clarification |
| 11:33.20 | Stavros | "First the initial part of each string consisting entirely of non-digit characters is determined. These two parts" |
| 11:33.36 | Stavros | it only mentions one part, but you could reason that "two parts" means "one from each string" |
| 11:33.53 | Stavros | then it says "These two parts (one of which may be empty)", which usually means "(strictly) one" |
| 11:34.07 | Stavros | so 5 people got confused over that |
| 11:34.14 | Stavros | thanks for the clarification, i'll email and tell them |
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| 11:34.39 | themill | If you've got a better wording (that doesn't change the meaning!) then please submit a suggestion as a bug report against the debian-policy package. |
| 11:35.55 | Stavros | the better wording would be "one or both of which may be empty", but i don't know how to submit a bug report |
| 11:36.17 | themill | "reportbug debian-policy" |
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| 11:36.30 | Stavros | reportbug debian-policy |
| 11:36.36 | Stavros | oh, on the command line? |
| 11:36.39 | Sevet | on your command line |
| 11:36.43 | Stavros | i'm using ubuntu |
| 11:36.50 | Stavros | i'll try it from a debian machine, thanks |
| 11:38.43 | themill | Stavros: as ever, you can also USTL: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=blob;f=lib/dpkg/version.c#l123 |
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| 11:39.15 | themill | (err UTSL) |
| 11:40.30 | Stavros | my C isn't very strong, sadly, and the part i'm unsure about is the more convoluted part... from what i can see, in the string "1~bpo70+1", the 1 is discarded and comparison starts from the tilde? |
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| 11:40.41 | Stavros | it's verrevcmp, right? |
| 11:41.31 | themill | assuming that the 1 was already in both debian revisions, yes. Comparison starts at the ~ and the ~ is a special character that is less than everything including the empty string. |
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| 11:41.50 | Stavros | aha, that clarifies things a bit. i'll read the source to see where the 1 is used, thank you |
| 11:41.55 | themill | hence 1.2-1~ < 1.2-1 |
| 11:42.13 | themill | !version compare |
| 11:42.14 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>. |
| 11:42.51 | Stavros | ah, that's very useful, thanks |
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| 11:44.23 | Stavros | so this means that test-1.10 is less than test-1.2, since it's lexicographic, right? dpkg --compare says no, though |
| 11:44.30 | Stavros | err, sorry, 1.test-1.10 |
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| 11:45.56 | themill | numeric parts are compared numerically; non-numeric parts are compared asciibetically (with the exceptions listed). |
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| 11:46.17 | Stavros | hmm, and the strings are split on periods? |
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| 11:47.45 | themill | no. Epoch/upstream version/debian revision are split and upstream and debian parts are split at numeric/non-numeric boundaries |
| 11:48.06 | Stavros | ah, that makes sense, i've been reading the source wrong |
| 11:48.07 | Stavros | thanks |
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| 11:53.03 | dougmencken | joltcan: yep, kernel module; just imagine the noise |
| 11:53.25 | dougmencken | 5 mins max to survive |
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| 11:56.25 | Aliekzhi | Is there a simple way to have a more recent version than wine 1.4 (1.5 or 1.6) on debian stable without dependency problems ? |
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| 12:03.11 | dougmencken | okay, I'm cloning kernel git; will search with git-blame |
| 12:04.03 | dougmencken | is it possible something changed at lower level which caused the problem |
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| 12:05.12 | dougmencken | reading /sys/devices/platform/windfarm.0/slots-power really solves max rotation of 18 fans at 6000 rpm for ~1 min |
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| 12:14.37 | abrotman | wakd: misunderstood, sorry |
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| 12:19.23 | wakd | abrotman, no problem :) |
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| 12:23.49 | chomwitt | i noticed that apt-cache use regex to many (if not all) of its commands. But 'man' mentions regex only in search. is that a man error? |
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| 12:27.52 | Sevet | chomwitt: just compared apt-cache on lenny to wheezy. show doesn't use regexes on lenny but does on wheezy. looks like the behaviour was changed but the manpage wasn't updated. you could report it as a bug. |
| 12:28.32 | riot | is there a way to install bluez-utils without all the printer-stuff?? I'll NEVER print on or with that embedded system.. |
| 12:29.01 | riot | libgstreamer..!? WTF... hardcore dependencies, eh!? |
| 12:29.06 | chomwitt | Sevet: thanks! |
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| 12:29.35 | chomwitt | starts reportbug |
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| 12:36.07 | riot | oh, yeah, simple answer: bluez-utils -> bluez |
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| 12:52.27 | Mackwerk | Is there a way I can make squeezy use the physical memory I have before the virtual memory? =o |
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| 12:54.17 | joltcan | Mackwerk: That sounds wierd. You want to use some swap as physical memory? |
| 12:54.40 | Mackwerk | No I just want to use my RAM before moving on to writing the disks to prevent IO |
| 12:54.44 | Sevet | Mackwerk: that would be the normal behaviour |
| 12:54.54 | jelly | Mackwerk: it does that by default. |
| 12:55.03 | joltcan | Mackwerk: Ah, there is a way to tell it not to write |
| 12:55.23 | Mackwerk | joltcan, with the swappiness parameter or? |
| 12:55.35 | Sevet | are you thinking of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
| 12:55.39 | joltcan | Mackwerk: yeah, I think that was what I was thinking of, trying to dig it up |
| 12:56.07 | joltcan | Mackwerk: like http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD |
| 12:56.18 | Sevet | that page lists the proc settings |
| 12:56.28 | joltcan | Mackwerk: you don't have to follow it by the line, but it might give you a good indication of where to start tweaking |
| 12:56.36 | Mackwerk | I am trying to force postgres to cache in the memory instead of writing on the disks |
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| 12:57.34 | Sevet | now that's something else entirely |
| 12:57.41 | Sevet | you want to tune the shared buffer cache properly |
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| 12:58.04 | Sevet | large enough to cache as much as your RAM can handle, not so much that you run out of ram and so increase swapping |
| 12:58.27 | Sevet | #postgresql might be better for asking for help tuning it |
| 12:58.51 | Mackwerk | We have tuned it already |
| 12:59.20 | joltcan | then I'm affraid I agree with Sevet and let you ask the postgres guys on what to do |
| 12:59.20 | Mackwerk | Can't really push that further, so I am trying to force linux to use the physical memory before writing on the disks |
| 12:59.43 | Sevet | which we've already told you is the default |
| 13:00.12 | Sevet | so if you're seeing swapping either swappiness is set too high or you're running out of ram |
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| 13:00.43 | Mackwerk | That's the problem, I'm not seeing swapping, only IO. I may be asking the wrong questions though |
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| 13:01.45 | Sevet | you did start off with the wrong one then |
| 13:02.27 | Sevet | in that case sounds like your problem is you're accessing database data that's not in the cache |
| 13:02.45 | Sevet | tune your cache properly, throw more RAM at it, and ask #postgresql if they have any other tuning tips |
| 13:03.08 | Mackwerk | Yessir :) Thanks |
| 13:03.23 | Sevet | and of course tune your app so it's less disk-heavy (eg summary tables) |
| 13:03.43 | Sevet | remember cache'll help on reads but any writes are always going to need to go to disk at some point |
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| 13:06.42 | wolfy | sorry, guys, stupid question from someone with close to no experience in debian: what tools do I use to find out what package to install in order to have h264 support in ekiga ? |
| 13:07.16 | wolfy | google sent me to deb-multimedia but their x264 package was of no use |
| 13:07.28 | ksk | "H.323 and SIP compatible VoIP client" |
| 13:07.36 | ksk | maybe its not possible? dunno.. |
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| 13:08.49 | wolfy | ksk: it knows video but it comes with different codecs. I am trying to pair it with a hardware videophone which supports only h263/h264 |
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| 13:13.31 | wakd | !tell wolfy about ekiga |
| 13:14.10 | wolfy | was that trigger supposed to do anything ? :) |
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| 13:14.24 | wolfy | !tell ekiga |
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| 13:14.50 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 13:14.51 | wakd | wolfy, you should get a pm from the bot |
| 13:15.05 | wolfy | <dpkg> No, wolfy, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 13:15.13 | Sevet | !t ekiga |
| 13:15.18 | wolfy | not really helpful, to be honest |
| 13:15.33 | wakd | wolfy, its all I've got :) |
| 13:15.43 | Nebukadneza | i have a lots of multimedia packages from DMO, and i experience some strange bugs... so first i'd like to reinstall everything that i have from DMO, just from the debian repositories ... is there an easy way for taht? |
| 13:15.44 | Nebukadneza | *that |
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| 13:16.25 | Sevet | !tell wolfy -about ekiga |
| 13:16.59 | wolfy | wakd, Sevet thank you, I am "talking" with the bot. |
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| 13:17.31 | themill | Nebukadneza: You could start with a list of these packages; /msg dpkg dmm list |
| 13:18.34 | Nebukadneza | ah, thats a good one already, thx themill |
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| 13:20.27 | Nebukadneza | themill: would something like: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?830 work? |
| 13:21.12 | Nebukadneza | (after removing the DMO repo from sources.list) |
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| 13:22.14 | themill | I doubt aptitude will want to downgrade the packages like that. Note that packages like autopano-sift-c are not in debian at all |
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| 13:22.29 | Nebukadneza | mh, agreed, but i can specialcase the missing ones afterwards, maybe |
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| 13:38.10 | Che-Anarc | How can I check if virtual memory is enabled? |
| 13:38.27 | Che-Anarc | When I do vmstat I just see 0 0 in SO SI |
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| 13:38.36 | jpw | If I was to uninstall a package eg lxde, how would I uninstall all the software that that goes in to providing that package if it's not automatically removed? |
| 13:39.29 | jhutchins | Che-Anarc: Ask the sysadmin who built the system if he disabled it. |
| 13:39.43 | nkuttler | jpw: try apt-get autoremove |
| 13:39.47 | ImaLamer | exit |
| 13:40.11 | ImaLamer | facepalms |
| 13:40.27 | jpw | nkuttler, unfortunatly the providing packages aren't marked for deletion when lxde is removed. |
| 13:40.30 | Che-Anarc | jhutchins I'd prefer to ask the system rather than a person |
| 13:40.43 | themill | Che-Anarc: free |
| 13:40.50 | jpw | Che-Anarc: swapon -s |
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| 13:41.29 | nkuttler | jpw: hm, lxde is a meta package.. try to remove it's dependencies? |
| 13:41.47 | Che-Anarc | jpw if Priority is -1 is that mean is off? |
| 13:42.42 | jpw | Che-Anarc: No, if anything is in that list it represents swap space available to the computer. |
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| 13:43.07 | jpw | Che-Anarc: the system will use swap space in order of priority from high to low. |
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| 13:43.51 | jpw | Che-Anarc: Finally, if SI & SO are both 0 it means your system hasn't had to use swap space because it has enough ram. |
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| 13:45.53 | brtl | guys, good morning. With a friend we found something weird and we are not sure what's going on. There are many possibilities, and we need more info, so I'll ask you for some help... |
| 13:46.10 | Che-Anarc | jpw the issue I am having is with too cached memory - in a VM instance - and every so often I need to do > /sbin/sysctl vm.drop_caches=1 |
| 13:46.23 | brtl | I cgroup-bin installed in my pc since 2013-07-12 10:26:25. |
| 13:46.39 | jpw | Che-Anarc: Don't, cached memory is a good thing! |
| 13:47.16 | Che-Anarc | jpw - but nothing seems to be using it... and its affecting performances with system especially when I near cap - performance is notically less with larger loads. |
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| 13:47.29 | jpw | Che-Anarc: The kernl will automatically free cached memory if a process needs it. |
| 13:47.33 | brtl | in my files list from /var/lib/dpkg/info/cgroup-bin.list I have many files that are not in the package page, nor in the .deb itself |
| 13:48.19 | Che-Anarc | jpw indeed you are right - it seems to be doing that... but server is always near 96% mem usage or always above 90... it gradually / progressively gets there after so often. |
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| 13:48.26 | brtl | and I'm checking the same package version (0.38-1 amd64) |
| 13:48.31 | themill | Che-Anarc: unless the VM has particularly slow IO (which can happen) then using virtual memory isn't an issue. |
| 13:49.21 | jpw | Che-Anarc: There's something else going on then, cached memory doesn't increase load it decreases it. I suggest loading up IOtop when you notice the slowdown to get a hint as to what's going on |
| 13:49.21 | themill | brtl: I wouldn't believe packages.d.o -- it's not been happy for a while |
| 13:49.29 | Che-Anarc | themill I thought perhpas the virtual memory was off / wasnt being used in favor of some other memory caching thats part of the VM. |
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| 13:51.29 | brtl | themill: I downloaded the package, extracted it with dpkg -x, and still, it's different with what I have. I have some files under /etc, that are even listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/cgroup-bin.list & /var/lib/dpkg/info/cgroup-bin.md5sums, but they are not in the .deb |
| 13:51.58 | brtl | surely I'm missing something, but I see no postint script or anything that would have added those files there... |
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| 13:53.41 | themill | brtl: there aren't any files in that package in /etc at all |
| 13:54.03 | brtl | that's the weird part |
| 13:54.09 | themill | brtl: can you provide some output in a pastebin? A file list or some file contents? |
| 13:54.11 | Che-Anarc | jpw: (y) thanks for IOtop suggestion... I'll do that. |
| 13:54.32 | brtl | I understand I could have added by hand in /etc, but surely not into /var.../cgroup-bin.list |
| 13:54.45 | brtl | themill: yes, sure. gimme a second |
| 13:55.19 | themill | brtl: is this the first time you've ever installed this package? |
| 13:55.25 | themill | on this machine |
| 13:55.35 | brtl | yes, on that date |
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| 13:58.31 | brtl | themill: http://pastebin.com/Z1aE1BCk |
| 13:59.07 | brtl | I see the /etc/* files are not in the md5sum. So now, I'm more confused, and don't know how could they have ended in mi cgroup-bin.list ... |
| 13:59.47 | themill | You must have had an older version of that package installed -- those files were part of older versions and so dpkg looks after those details for you |
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| 14:01.55 | themill | The package changelog shows that those files used to exist and where then removed. They're conffiles so they don't get deleted from your system by dpkg (the maintainer probably should clean up these obsolete conffiles on upgrades) |
| 14:02.08 | Nebukadneza | themill: was finally able to reproduce the state i wanted to reproduce the bug -- thanks! |
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| 14:02.34 | themill | np |
| 14:03.13 | brtl | themill: I don't see an older version in my /var/log/dpkg: http://pastebin.com/Lkpv94Xv |
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| 14:03.50 | themill | brtl: that log is rotated by logrotate |
| 14:03.51 | brtl | may it be that line that says "2013-07-12 10:26:11 upgrade cgroup-bin:amd64 0.38-1 0.38-1" ? |
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| 14:04.23 | brtl | oh, right... let me check that :) |
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| 14:06.08 | brtl | nop. if I had a previous version, it should date before oct/2012. So you say that the files list is re-created mixing the new files and those from the previous version that needed to be kept? or something like that? |
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| 14:08.48 | themill | yes. dpkg doesn't just blat the contents on the .deb onto the disk. It unpacks each file individually and atomically replaces the files on disk. It checks the md5sum of the file and records that. It handles conffiles even more carefully to make sure you don't lose local configuration |
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| 14:10.41 | brtl | ok. I just thought that that was done through .postinst scripts or similar, and seeing none, I found it strange |
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| 14:10.49 | brtl | thanks a lot, themill! |
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| 14:12.24 | themill | extra configuration file handling can be done in the postinst, but generally conffiles would not be touched in the maintainer scripts at all. (configuration files that are not conffiles might be copied in from somewhere else or managed with tools like ucf) |
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| 14:13.49 | brtl | thanks. Will take that in mind next time.Thanks! |
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| 14:15.55 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
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| 14:16.51 | thyrant | hi, so I am locked out of my ssh, probably because a few hours ago I logged in just to check a document and once I got the information needed I closed the terminal window. I do not use screen. Might this be the reason? |
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| 14:17.30 | nkuttler | thyrant: highly unlikely |
| 14:17.41 | nkuttler | thyrant: ssh -v and see if there's something relevant |
| 14:17.59 | nkuttler | -vv and -vvv if necessary |
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| 14:22.45 | jhutchins | thyrant: You should be able to create multiple ssh connections/sessions. |
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| 14:24.01 | jhutchins | themill: dpkg tracks the md5sums of installed files? |
| 14:24.11 | themill | sure |
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| 14:24.33 | jhutchins | themill: Is there a way to check them, ie to see if files from a package have been modified? |
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| 14:24.39 | themill | debsums |
| 14:24.52 | jhutchins | themill: Ok, I thought it was debsums that did the tracking. |
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| 14:28.14 | thyrant | where should I paste it? |
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| 14:28.23 | Sevet | paste.debian.net |
| 14:28.41 | Sevet | themill: is there a tool that can list all files not installed from a .deb? |
| 14:29.28 | themill | cruft |
| 14:29.59 | Sevet | :) thanks. thought there was one but couldn't remember the name |
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| 14:31.02 | thyrant | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/61e01b25/ |
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| 14:35.03 | ChrisH | thyrant: this is some IP routingh issue at your side. I get a PW request from your server |
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| 14:35.24 | thyrant | thanks |
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| 14:51.19 | Manndude | Was curious if someone could help this dude out. |
| 14:51.29 | orange_ | Can anyone help me set my xterm font colors? I have tried everything from every google thread it seems to no success.. |
| 14:51.33 | Manndude | A while back, sshuttle stopped working properly and I get the error, 'socket.error: [Errno 99] Cannot assign requested address |
| 14:51.33 | Manndude | ' when running it. |
| 14:51.41 | mastro | How do I set environment variables per-user that are available everywhere and not just the command line? I have .bashrc export MY_VAR=... but it doesn't get used when I open a software from the UI |
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| 14:53.02 | Walex | mastro: '.bashrc' should never have environment variable settings... |
| 14:53.43 | Walex | mastro: also it is hard to answer your question if you are not aware of how environment variables work. So perhaps there is some web tutorial that explains that. |
| 14:54.31 | jhutchins | Walex: I don't remember seeing anything on environment variables under X... |
| 14:55.07 | Walex | jhutchins: under X or otherwise the mechanism does not change. It is always the same |
| 14:55.23 | mastro | Walex, what about using ~/.profile ? |
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| 14:55.54 | Walex | mastro: that as a start is a lot better. |
| 14:56.20 | Walex | mastro: the problem is that you may be starting X without logging in, or in some weird way. |
| 14:56.33 | mastro | Walex, ok, and from them on? can you link documentation? not scared to read some technical stuff |
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| 14:56.46 | Walex | the env variable mechanism is always that they get copied from a process to the processes it forks off |
| 14:56.50 | mastro | Walex, I usually have gdm3 kicking in then login-in to enter XFCE |
| 14:56.56 | theothertom | Manndude: IIRC, sshuttle opens a port on your local machine, then uses iptables to forward traffic to it |
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| 14:57.05 | Walex | there isn't actually much more than that to env vars. |
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| 14:57.22 | theothertom | any chance either an old copy lying about or some other software is using whatever port that is ? |
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| 14:57.26 | Manndude | theothertom that is correct, but I am unsure of what port it is and why it would be in use already. |
| 14:57.30 | Walex | mastro: so you need to set an env var just once, in the process that generated all the others. |
| 14:57.41 | mastro | Walex, ok, so why you said "that as a start" ? |
| 14:57.51 | Manndude | It was working properly a few weeks ago, and then only broke after starting a local network to my RPI |
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| 14:58.23 | theothertom | how do you mean starting a local network ? |
| 14:58.28 | Walex | mastro: because regrettably console or X sessions can start in different ways, and not all shells use '~/.profile' |
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| 14:59.30 | Manndude | theothertom , I meant networking my PC to my RPI via ethernet. Gave my local machine an IP and the RPI an IP so they could ping back and forth and ssh into each other. |
| 14:59.40 | Walex | mastro: for example if there is a '~/.bash_profile' it takes precedence over '~/.profile' with BASH, which most people use |
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| 15:00.00 | LainOfTheWired | simple question with a hopefully simple answer |
| 15:00.04 | jhutchins | Walex: Doing some research it seems that it does vary depending on how you start X and what desktop manager you use. |
| 15:00.09 | mastro | Oh yes I also know that :) I just always forgot about .profile :) |
| 15:00.21 | mastro | Walex, I thought there was something more on that |
| 15:00.33 | LainOfTheWired | where is the sudoers file to which I would add a username |
| 15:00.35 | LainOfTheWired | ? |
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| 15:00.44 | mastro | I'll try to logout / re-login to see if it works, thanks |
| 15:00.47 | Manndude | ccccccbrfdniuttjduubhcniueufrundnlkrlfhingvt |
| 15:00.50 | Manndude | Woops |
| 15:00.57 | Manndude | hit yubikey when moving stuff |
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| 15:01.29 | Walex | jhutchins: not entirely. If the Display Manager is semi reasonable, it will start a login session, and then '~/.bash_profile' (or '~/.profile') will get sourced |
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| 15:02.09 | Walex | jhutchins: with X 'xinitrc' and 'xsession' may also get executed, and they exist for the case some X-specific environment setups needs doing. |
| 15:02.30 | jhutchins | Walex: There's also .xsession, .xsessionrc, variables passed by the dm, .gnomerc, and various methods for different versions of kde. |
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| 15:02.39 | LainOfTheWired | where can I find the sudoers file? |
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| 15:03.03 | jhutchins | !whereis |
| 15:03.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, is is the country code for iceland |
| 15:03.18 | jhutchins | !slocate |
| 15:03.20 | dpkg | slocate was a secure <locate> replacement. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #457565. Ask me about <mlocate>. |
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| 15:03.34 | Walex | LainOfTheWired: a bit impatient... |
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| 15:03.56 | LainOfTheWired | Walex: sorry. |
| 15:04.00 | jhutchins | LainOfTheWired: You can use the locate and whereis commands to find files. |
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| 15:04.13 | LainOfTheWired | a simple answer indeed |
| 15:04.15 | Walex | LainOfTheWired: usually '/etc/sudoers'. Ways to find out apart from 'locate' are also 'man -k ....' |
| 15:04.17 | jhutchins | LainOfTheWired: You probably want to add a user to a group rather than to the sudoers file. |
| 15:04.21 | jhutchins | !sudo |
| 15:04.22 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 15:04.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell LainOfTheWired -about sudoers |
| 15:05.13 | babilen | LainOfTheWired: Add you user to the sudo group or use "visudo" to edit the sudoers file if you want anything fancy. |
| 15:05.22 | babilen | (never edit that file directly) |
| 15:05.29 | babilen | ((fsvo never)) |
| 15:05.43 | LainOfTheWired | ok |
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| 15:05.53 | LainOfTheWired | I think I have enough information |
| 15:06.04 | babilen | LainOfTheWired: Let us know if something remains unclear :) |
| 15:06.27 | LainOfTheWired | thanks babilen, Walex, jhutchins |
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| 15:12.03 | vilpor | hello, is there anway to make a raid6 over network? |
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| 15:12.16 | theothertom | Manndude: Can't think of a reason off the top of my head why that would breakl sshuttle |
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| 15:12.50 | Manndude | theothertom Neither can I. I'm having difficulty trying to disable or stop IPTables right now, hoping that if I disable it it may somehow magically work again |
| 15:13.01 | jpw | vilpor: check out the gluster project, off topic for here though. |
| 15:13.06 | Walex | vilpor: yes. |
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| 15:13.43 | theothertom | sshuttle needs iptables to work |
| 15:14.04 | Manndude | Any idea on how to restore to original config? |
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| 15:14.09 | Manndude | Not that I recall modifying it |
| 15:14.24 | theothertom | config of iptables or of sshuttle ? |
| 15:14.25 | Manndude | Networking related things is not my thing at all |
| 15:14.29 | Manndude | iptables |
| 15:14.36 | Manndude | sshuttle, dont belive there is a config |
| 15:14.55 | angs | does lenny not support valgrind package? |
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| 15:15.09 | Manndude | "sshuttle --dns -vvr user@machine 0/0" thats all I do for SSHuttle |
| 15:15.13 | theothertom | unless you've explicitly saved iptables config, it won't persit after a reboot |
| 15:15.23 | vilpor | i checked gluster, i got nothing mentioning raid, altho its off topic. Is there any other solution? |
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| 15:15.32 | babilen | Manndude: "stopping" iptables essentially boils down to getting it into the state of "ACCEPT everything" -- Something along the lines of https://paste.debian.net/15748/ should do that (replace $IPTABLES with the actual iptables command) -- "iptables -L" shouldn't list anything but ACCEPT on all default chains |
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| 15:16.52 | babilen | Manndude: There is no default configuration for iptables -- one does typically save/load rulesets with iptables-{save,restore} whenever one activates or deactivates an interface. (hooks in /etc/network/if-{up,down}.d/) |
| 15:17.23 | Manndude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.23 | Manndude | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 15:17.23 | Manndude | target prot opt source destination |
| 15:17.23 | Manndude | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 15:17.23 | Manndude | target prot opt source destination |
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| 15:17.28 | jpw | vilpor: can you elaborate what you are trying to do? There is no raid6 over tcp/ip but there is distibuted / replicated network accessible storage aka gluster |
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| 15:17.45 | LainOfTheWired | was able to get sudoers file edited, and I can use sudo in non root acount :D |
| 15:17.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Manndude -about paste |
| 15:17.47 | jpw | (I personally don't rate it very highly) |
| 15:17.49 | Manndude | Woops, sorry about that. |
| 15:18.15 | Manndude | Unsure if what I pasted actually was displayed or not |
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| 15:18.20 | vilpor | jpw: i basicly want to extend a FS from 1 server to a 2nd server in order to have more storage availabe. |
| 15:18.22 | babilen | LainOfTheWired: So you needed to do something special? We typically recommend to simply add users to the "sudo" group. What did you have to do for which that wasn't enough? (just curious) |
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| 15:18.53 | theothertom | Manndude: I just tried running sshuttle on a box, it'll listen on localhost:12300 it seems |
| 15:19.05 | vilpor | jpw: I am aware that I might have to move all the data to 1 location in order to setup the "cluster" then move the data back |
| 15:19.06 | babilen | Manndude: You managed to paste two chains before you got kicked. Assuming the third is empty and defaults to ACCEPT too iptables is not doing anything at the moment. |
| 15:19.08 | theothertom | then use the iptables NAT functions to redirect some traffic to itself |
| 15:20.10 | theothertom | maybe try adding -l 127.0.0.1:$RANDOM to your command ? |
| 15:20.20 | theothertom | or something like that :) |
| 15:20.32 | jpw | vilpor, i see what you're trying to do. I spent about 6 months trying to find a solution like that. I coundn't find one. |
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| 15:21.18 | Manndude | babilen it's all set to 'Accept' |
| 15:21.30 | jpw | vilpor: i used gluster in a test bed for a while but I didn't think much of it. I used DRBD too, but that didnt scale well. A few other bits. |
| 15:21.37 | Manndude | So in that case, I have no idea why it wont work :( |
| 15:21.42 | vilpor | i dont mind 1xraid6 on each server and put a FS on top of that |
| 15:22.09 | theothertom | Manndude: it's a different table in iptables; iptables -t nat -L -n should show you |
| 15:22.16 | theothertom | though I'd expect that to also be blank/default |
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| 15:23.07 | Manndude | theothertom "iptables -t nat -L -n" shows the same as the last command |
| 15:23.11 | Manndude | all set to accept |
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| 15:24.21 | babilen | Manndude: Did you run the set of commands I pasted earlier before checking the currently active rulesets? If so it is no wonder that everything defaults to ACCEPT with no special rules. |
| 15:24.28 | theothertom | yeah, 'cos sshuttle isn't running and creating those rules |
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| 15:25.37 | Manndude | babilen, run them individually? The things in the paste? |
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| 15:25.48 | theothertom | Manndude: you might want to try playing with the --listen option to sshuttle |
| 15:26.36 | jhutchins | !tell mandude about ipmasq |
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| 15:27.27 | Manndude | Ahhh |
| 15:27.30 | Manndude | I need a cig |
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| 15:28.05 | babilen | Manndude: No, you don't have to ... I simply wanted to give you the commands to flush all chains and set them to ACCEPT. As they are already in that state you don't have to "stop" iptables. |
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| 15:29.10 | Manndude | Sorry, new to iptables. This is a local desktop machine, things were working fine and just seeminly broke for no reason. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade 'ing now |
| 15:29.16 | Manndude | See if that magically fixes it |
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| 15:30.03 | Manndude | and of course just trying to update and upgrade resulted in errors of it's own |
| 15:30.03 | Manndude | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 15:31.50 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 15:32.26 | babilen | Manndude: Run it again |
| 15:32.43 | ueb | I configured a debian7 with virtual domains, using exim4-dovecot-mysql |
| 15:33.00 | Manndude | babilen, run what again? Update/upgrade or sshuttle? (or ipconfig stuff)? |
| 15:33.29 | ueb | I can send and receive emails through smtp/pop, but not through php mail |
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| 15:34.06 | ueb | anybody could help me make working php mail? |
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| 15:34.21 | snowman3d | how do you turn on wifi that has no password? |
| 15:34.43 | snowman3d | use wpa_suplicant? or just add it to network interfaces ? |
| 15:34.46 | babilen | Manndude: I was referring to "apt-get update" -- theothertom suggested one thing to investigate why sshuttle is not working as you expect it to. |
| 15:35.41 | ueb | looking at exim logs I see this error message: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<www-data@d1stkfactory> |
| 15:35.48 | jhutchins | snowman3d: Since wifi implies a mobile system, many people use network manager to manage it at the user level. If it's a static connection at the system level you can just use the interfcaces file. |
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| 15:36.22 | snowman3d | jhutchins: I want to use the wlan0 card (on headless computer) to connect to internet instead eth0 ethernet |
| 15:36.33 | jhutchins | snowman3d: Ok. |
| 15:37.10 | snowman3d | jhutchins: in this case, just edit network interfaces? do I need suplicant at all? |
| 15:37.45 | Manndude | babilen, I ignored the message as it looked as if it was looking for flux and redshift updates |
| 15:37.51 | jhutchins | snowman3d: Dunno, depends on what the AP is configured for. |
| 15:37.55 | Manndude | I went ahead and apt-get upgrade 'ed |
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| 15:38.02 | Manndude | Configuration file `/etc/issue.distrib' |
| 15:38.02 | Manndude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.02 | Manndude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.04 | ueb | any idea? |
| 15:38.09 | jhutchins | snowman3d: You need suplicant for wpa. |
| 15:38.29 | jhutchins | !confmiss |
| 15:38.30 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 15:39.25 | Manndude | dpkg, I'll try that next |
| 15:39.26 | dpkg | Manndude: no idea |
| 15:39.41 | Manndude | I just selected 'Yes' |
| 15:39.51 | Manndude | I've got backups and I wouldn't mind a re-install anyway |
| 15:40.12 | Manndude | CrunchBang is great and all but a tad too time consuming. Meant to spend my morning doing other things ;) |
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| 15:42.11 | snowman3d | jhutchins: thanks. no pass |
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| 15:45.23 | Manndude | "sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall sshuttle" didn't work either. |
| 15:45.24 | Manndude | Hmm |
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| 15:47.34 | Manndude | Never did smoke that cig |
| 15:47.35 | Manndude | brb |
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| 15:52.49 | pclov3r | I should attmept to install debain again lol |
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| 15:53.12 | pclov3r | Last time It didn't work correcly due to my non-standard setupo |
| 15:53.13 | pclov3r | setup |
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| 15:55.23 | jpw | pclov3r: how non standard are we talking? CPU made out of an old deep fat fryer? |
| 15:55.33 | pclov3r | lol no |
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| 15:55.59 | jpw | magnetic memory banks? |
| 15:55.59 | pclov3r | I have a RAID0 Array, a 120 GB SSD with a NTFS parition on it and 1 TB spinning disk. |
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| 15:56.16 | pclov3r | i wanted to install it on the 120 Gb SSD on two seprate paritions for /boot and / root |
| 15:56.23 | pclov3r | However, Grub didn't install on the drive for some reason. |
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| 15:56.46 | pclov3r | And grub-install failed to install grub to it even tho it said it did. |
| 15:56.55 | Manndude | back |
| 15:57.02 | jpw | have you run #update-grub? |
| 15:57.05 | pclov3r | yep |
| 15:57.22 | pclov3r | it just came back with OS not found |
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| 15:58.15 | pclov3r | i wa able to boot into it with supergrubdisk tho |
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| 16:01.01 | jhutchins | pclov3r: Is it gpt? |
| 16:01.09 | pclov3r | no |
| 16:01.43 | pclov3r | I'll try again a bit later. |
| 16:01.52 | pclov3r | My USB DAC didn't work lol |
| 16:02.00 | pclov3r | didnt' really look into why it didn't |
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| 16:02.03 | snowman3d | how to send a ping, but via wlan0 instead default eth0 to see if network is working without killing old network? |
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| 16:02.28 | pclov3r | you can define the interface with -i? |
| 16:02.34 | pclov3r | ping -i interface I believe |
| 16:03.15 | mao2 | RTFM :) |
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| 16:04.30 | grn | snowman3d: ping -I |
| 16:04.48 | mao2 | ping -I interface |
| 16:04.53 | pclov3r | oh it's -l |
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| 16:06.02 | mao2 | "-i" is interval |
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| 16:19.35 | Ristovski | Hello, is it just me or does the recent gtk-3 update in testing break almost everything? |
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| 16:26.07 | babilen | Ristovski: Shouldn't but ask in #debian-next and *please* provide more details than "break almost everything" |
| 16:26.26 | babilen | (the channel if on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:27.25 | Ristovski | babilen: "break almost everything" == every app that uses gtk sigsev's |
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| 16:27.46 | Ristovski | I shouldnt have dist-upgrade'ed |
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| 16:28.12 | jhutchins | Ristovski: That is what testing is for, breaking things. |
| 16:28.14 | petn-randall | Ristovski: It's called 'testing' for a reason :) |
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| 16:28.44 | Ristovski | I know, but Ive never seen it break so much :P |
| 16:28.51 | babilen | Ristovski: No, that shouldn't happen. I am using libgtk-3-0 3.8.2-3 just fine here on unstable, but lets please take it to #debian-next |
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| 16:29.32 | Ristovski | babilen: ok |
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| 16:35.21 | snowman3d | meh I can not get trivial wifi working here for some reason |
| 16:37.26 | snowman3d | for password-less WiFi, how do you connect to it? ESSID is "xyz" and iwscan list shows it |
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| 16:37.54 | snowman3d | but after iwconfig up with given IP, iwconfig says wlan0 is not-associated |
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| 17:17.06 | axgb | Hi |
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| 17:19.14 | axgb | I am having problems with a package nfs-config |
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| 17:21.50 | zerick | what problems axgb |
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| 17:22.53 | axgb | I am trying to setup Samba, and it did not work. I investigated and I got error messages saying things about nfs-config |
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| 17:23.54 | axgb | I tried to reinstall it. I did sudo apt-get purge nfs-config, then afterwards i did sudo apt-get install nfs-config |
| 17:23.59 | dokma | can anyone take a look at this and tell me if it is a sign of a compromise??? http://pastebin.com/ze4rBfJA |
| 17:24.03 | dokma | wheezy with ispconfig |
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| 17:24.04 | axgb | I have pasted the result here http://paste.debian.net/15769 |
| 17:24.12 | dokma | those web accounts had jailkit shell enabled... |
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| 17:25.25 | dokma | I'm thinking I'll delay a reboot until I can figure out if it is a compromise... |
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| 17:25.39 | axgb | @dokma sorry, i do not know |
| 17:25.59 | dokma | thank you for your time |
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| 17:26.27 | axgb | and I don't think there are many people on this channel |
| 17:27.02 | dokma | axgb, you don't? I think there's tons of people here. Literally ! :D |
| 17:27.37 | axgb | ok, but clearly most of them are not activly looking at this page |
| 17:28.02 | axgb | most of them seem to have the IRC program miminised |
| 17:28.40 | zerick | axgb, have you tried dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 17:28.48 | axgb | no |
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| 17:29.50 | axgb | It is doing it now |
| 17:30.52 | axgb | http://paste.debian.net/15774/ |
| 17:30.58 | axgb | It gave me an error message |
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| 17:32.43 | zerick | axgb, apt-get remove --purge nfs-common |
| 17:32.47 | zerick | apt-get clean |
| 17:32.50 | zerick | apt-get update |
| 17:32.59 | zerick | apt-get install nfs-common --reinstall |
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| 17:37.53 | axgb | zerick |
| 17:38.24 | zerick | yep? |
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| 17:39.03 | axgb | http://paste.debian.net/15775/ |
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| 17:40.15 | zerick | you are trying to install it an raspbian ? axgb |
| 17:40.22 | zerick | s/an/on |
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| 17:40.36 | axgb | yes, this is a raspberry pi I am accessing via ssh |
| 17:41.10 | zerick | axgb, ok, well, I gues you will need to go to the forum or #raspberry |
| 17:41.22 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.23 | zerick | axgb, the problem is with the init script for rpcbind |
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| 17:41.36 | zerick | is not LSB compatible |
| 17:41.52 | zerick | maybe is a bug |
| 17:41.57 | axgb | I have done it before (very easy) with normal raspbian, and raspbian server edition |
| 17:42.03 | zerick | not prertty sure axgb :) |
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| 17:42.13 | axgb | This is with Raspbmc |
| 17:42.13 | zerick | compare versions |
| 17:42.22 | axgb | I am not sure what the difference is |
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| 17:44.44 | axgb | is nfs-config necessary to run samba |
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| 17:45.56 | abrotman | what ? |
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| 17:46.23 | abrotman | axgb: this channel is for Debian, not raspbian .. ask #raspbian please |
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| 17:47.15 | axgb | raspbian is debian, but a bit modified, isn't it |
| 17:47.22 | ompaul | !basedondebian |
| 17:47.26 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 17:47.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 17:47.59 | themill | and raspbmc is a horribly bastardised version of raspbian. |
| 17:48.00 | ompaul | axgb: I pointed at #raspbian |
| 17:48.26 | dmannn | hey guys, is it possible to join debian to a MS AD Domain and use it as remote desktop client ? |
| 17:48.40 | axgb | ok |
| 17:48.41 | ompaul | themill: please come here and take your weather home |
| 17:49.06 | axgb | I will probabaly just reinstall a different one, Maybe Xbian, thats been good for me in the past |
| 17:49.20 | dmannn | remote desktop client to connect to a MS terminalserver |
| 17:50.14 | axgb | What is the purpose of Raspbian? Why don't they just run debian ARM |
| 17:50.37 | zerick | dmannn, so, you want to connect to a windows terminal from debian ? |
| 17:50.40 | ompaul | dmannn: check this rdesktop |
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| 17:51.41 | dmannn | hey you two ! thx for your response ... yes i want to connect to a windows terminal server with debian |
| 17:52.05 | ompaul | dmannn: so install rdesktop fill in the settings and away you go :) |
| 17:52.07 | dmannn | but first i need to add debian to the existing domain right ? |
| 17:52.08 | ice799 | Hi. I have the source for a debian package that I've obtained by running apt-get source blah... this particular package has a bunch of patches in debian/patches... how can I ask dpkg and related tools to apply all those patches, but not build the source? |
| 17:52.17 | ompaul | dmannn: no |
| 17:52.27 | ice799 | In other words, I want to get the source into the state it is in prior to compiling with all debian-related patches applied |
| 17:52.32 | jordanm | ice799, depends on the source version |
| 17:52.33 | ice799 | so I can try to find this bug I am looking for |
| 17:52.36 | zerick | dmannn, don't need to join to AD, you can use something like freerdp too :) |
| 17:53.14 | ice799 | jordanm: how do I find that? debian/source/format says '1.0 |
| 17:53.16 | ice799 | '' |
| 17:53.22 | dmannn | great thank u very much guys im so busy that i cant afford trying stuff out too much ... u helped me a lot |
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| 17:53.26 | dmannn | thank u very much !! |
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| 18:00.15 | ice799 | jordanm: can i just use dpkg-buildpackage or something to get the source into the proper state? |
| 18:00.22 | ice799 | i've done this before, but i can't remember how to do it. |
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| 18:01.46 | jordanm | ice799, the patches to 1.0 should be applied on extraction |
| 18:02.05 | jordanm | but that may not be the contents on the patches/ directory, as that isn't how source format 1.0 works |
| 18:02.20 | jordanm | 1.0 is one giant patch in the form of a diff.gz file |
| 18:02.44 | ice799 | right |
| 18:02.46 | ice799 | i applied that |
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| 18:03.01 | ice799 | that diff.gz, jordanm, includes a bunch of patches in debian/patches |
| 18:03.25 | ice799 | and i want to apply the patches in debian/patches that i just got from applying the diff.gz |
| 18:03.50 | jordanm | you want to apply patches that have already been applied? |
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| 18:08.02 | ice799 | jordanm: the patches have not been applied |
| 18:08.07 | ice799 | jordanm: sorry let me try to explain again. |
| 18:08.27 | ice799 | jordanm: the diff.gz is a patch itself which, when applied, creates a bunch of patches in debian/patches/ in the source |
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| 18:08.49 | ice799 | jordanm: i would like to apply the patches that were created under debian/patches when the diff.gz was applied |
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| 18:09.06 | jordanm | ice799, then the maintainer is probably using a non-standard way of applying those patches in debian/rules |
| 18:09.31 | jordanm | debian/patches is commonly used with source format 3.0 (quilt), which this package is not using |
| 18:10.03 | ice799 | this package is the linux-2.6-2.6.32 package on debian squeeze, fwiw. |
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| 18:12.15 | ice799 | i see |
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| 18:13.34 | ice799 | i reworded my google query and found this |
| 18:13.36 | ice799 | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 18:14.20 | jordanm | yep... non-standard. good that it's documented |
| 18:15.13 | ice799 | i recall seeing a webpage a longtime that looked difernt than this that let me generate the source for the package and do some other stuff |
| 18:15.23 | ice799 | but i cannot remember where that page was |
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| 18:16.39 | ice799 | jordanm: thanks for your help |
| 18:17.11 | jordanm | !nmg |
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| 18:17.13 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 18:17.16 | jordanm | ice799, that one, maybe? |
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| 18:30.37 | totimkopf | hello, I erroneously modified /etc/bash.bashrc and was informed that package managers store a checksum of such configuration files. Where might I find the stored checksums for aptitude/apt-get/etc? |
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| 18:33.53 | daemonkeeper | totimkopf: The checksum is stored to preserve your local changes to that file as it is considered a configuration file. |
| 18:34.08 | daemonkeeper | Hence, editing it is something you're allowed to. |
| 18:34.32 | daemonkeeper | But be aware that dpkg will never overwrite your changes if you upgrade. |
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| 18:35.33 | axisys_ | how to get the total memory usage by a process with multiple threads ? counting RES of all the threads is definitely not it |
| 18:36.11 | totimkopf | daemonkeeper: I see. thanks for the information. Out of curiosity where would the checksums of configuration files reisde? |
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| 18:36.55 | daemonkeeper | The less you know about that, the less likely you're tempted to mess around in dpkg's state files. :p |
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| 18:51.23 | daveb | so I have a couple of debian 6 installs. it appears there are some older versions of things that may have vuneralbilities. ie: bzip 1.0.5 needs update to 1.0.6 but 1.0.6 is not available. Is that likely true or am I doing something wrong :) |
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| 18:53.13 | daveb | or possibly the older version received a patch specifically in dbian. does that happen? |
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| 18:54.56 | daveb | i answered my own question! yeah. the changelog says it was fixed. |
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| 18:57.14 | daveb | libcurl has 1 fix but not another. depends on the dates of the updates also. |
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| 18:57.23 | daveb | quite complicated to reconcile these things |
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| 19:19.00 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know if performing and "apt-get --purge linux-image-someOldVersion" will also remove that version kernel modules? Tks. |
| 19:19.08 | RobHaz_ | LOL |
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| 19:20.33 | grn | atari314: dpkg -L package_name shows the content of a package, so you can check yourself |
| 19:20.51 | atari314 | grn, tyvm sir |
| 19:21.14 | grn | atari314: np |
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| 19:35.55 | porto | hello, i have an virtual machine with full debian 7 installation, but i need to remove the gdm3 from boot |
| 19:36.08 | porto | can i use update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove |
| 19:36.09 | porto | ? |
| 19:36.27 | porto | and add that again when i need with update-rc.d -f gdm3 defaults? |
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| 19:37.07 | porto | i need to do that because i don't use the gdm3 and i need to have more mem free |
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| 19:37.38 | porto | anyone can help? |
| 19:37.44 | nkuttler | porto: i like rcconf |
| 19:38.33 | wojtas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.34 | porto | ah is more stable? |
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| 19:38.43 | Kirito | dpkg-source: info: fuzz is not allowed when applying patches <- What does this mean? |
| 19:38.54 | porto | rcconf is more stable? |
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| 19:40.19 | porto | yap appears an menu |
| 19:40.41 | porto | with all * bootstart |
| 19:40.43 | porto | great |
| 19:40.44 | porto | thanks |
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| 19:46.51 | stevem | greetings channel |
| 19:47.22 | stevem | can anyone tell me how a can list the differences between my local mirror and the online ubuntu mirrors? |
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| 19:54.27 | nkuttler | stevem: ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:54.57 | Moviuro | Hello World! I'd like to know how much power my computer uses (it's a box, not a laptop) |
| 19:55.07 | looop | hello, is it possible to install a minimalist debian ? |
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| 19:55.57 | Moviuro | looop: just choose the appropriate options while installing ;) eg no GUI, no dev tools or whatever? |
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| 19:56.23 | looop | noviuro, i just want dwm and a terminal |
| 19:56.40 | porto | nkuttler whowhhhhh |
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| 19:56.55 | porto | disable gdm3 i have 5gb free :D |
| 19:59.05 | nkuttler | looop: sure, what Moviuro said |
| 19:59.15 | nkuttler | looop: install dwm etc manually later |
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| 19:59.46 | looop | sound great, thank you :) |
| 19:59.59 | Moviuro | looop: scratch my name once again and I'll scratch your face... :þ (jk) it's Moviuro, with an "M" |
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| 20:00.21 | looop | lool oops :) |
| 20:00.36 | looop | I didn't mean it moviuro |
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| 20:01.14 | Moviuro | looop: I know :) just teasing you |
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| 20:02.24 | gnat_x | hi folks. i'm trying to install jessie from an i386 netinst image i grabbed the other day, i selected the guided partitioning for encryption + LVM everything seems to write changes to the disk as expected, but the installer keeps looping back, and the flag that i have working disks doesn't get set. |
| 20:02.40 | looop | I never installed or tried debian, but if i can mix a stable system with my minimal needs, i'll be veyr happy |
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| 20:03.01 | looop | i think i need to do it in vbox first, doind it now |
| 20:03.31 | gnat_x | looop: i missed the first part, but yes, you can mix your stable system with other packages. |
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| 20:04.10 | looop | gnat_x: i mean a minimalist debian and not many updates sound very appealing to me |
| 20:04.46 | gnat_x | looop: yup. run stable, pull the handfull of things you need from testing/unstable. |
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| 20:05.06 | Moviuro | So I installed powertop, but it is unable to tell me how many watts my box consumes :-/ something like "No ACPI estimation of your current power consumption" |
| 20:05.09 | nkuttler | looop: no no don't do that.. build backports.. pulling testing/unstable packages *will* break your system |
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| 20:05.41 | straterra | Are there any mirrors with squeeze isos still on them? |
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| 20:06.43 | gnat_x | looop: ahh yes... backports first! |
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| 20:07.06 | gnat_x | some new stuff can be safe, if its deps are limited. |
| 20:07.12 | nkuttler | !tell straterra about squeeze iso |
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| 20:07.34 | gnat_x | if it needs something like a new libc6, then yeah, that'll break everything. |
| 20:08.05 | zapster | I'm trying to cross-compile a kernel, and I keep getting a missing dependency error, but the package in question is installed. help? |
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| 20:11.53 | straterra | Perfect, thank you |
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| 20:12.54 | galant | why text on webpages is so bad on my Debian? |
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| 20:13.09 | galant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.06 | lessless | hi! why are installation medias so small? |
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| 20:14.44 | rryoumaa | lessless: because you can get updated stuff from the net |
| 20:14.49 | lessless | usb media http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz is only 33mb |
| 20:14.51 | gnat_x | lessless: because they don't include every package under the sun (unless you want/need the full set of dvds) |
| 20:15.09 | lessless | so, this is enough? |
| 20:15.21 | gnat_x | lessless: that is all that is needed to boot the machine, that is not the whole installer. |
| 20:15.31 | gnat_x | you want to look for a netinst image. |
| 20:15.46 | gnat_x | (if you want to pull most packages from the internet) |
| 20:17.17 | lessless | yeah, I do not need X.org and stuff... just the minimal server package |
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| 20:22.46 | spessex | newbie. stuck on getting local file from mac to debian server. should i be doing this from local terminal or once logged into server? server is accessed via ssh. have tried several methods including : rsync -avh /Users/spessex/Desktop/version.php ssh -e 2222 userloginname@IPADDRESS:/var/www/domain/public_html whilst in local mac? |
| 20:23.10 | maroloccio | 1 file, use simple scp |
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| 20:23.59 | spessex | and not to sound retarded but how? from local machine or from server? |
| 20:24.02 | maroloccio | terminal on mac, file @ /my/path/to/file, command is: scp /my/path/to/file remoteuser@debianserverip:/destination/path/on/server |
| 20:24.30 | maroloccio | spessex: you just don't know the syntax. knowing syntax is something unimportant, can be looked up in a man page |
| 20:24.38 | zaltekk | user@server: will drop it in the user's home directory with teh same filename |
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| 20:25.25 | spessex | maroloccio: thank you |
| 20:25.35 | maroloccio | spessex: you are welcome. worked? |
| 20:26.08 | spessex | just about to try… the mrs trying to talk in ear at the same time ;) |
| 20:26.24 | maroloccio | spessex: there is not stoppin her |
| 20:26.35 | maroloccio | * there is no stoppin her, ever |
| 20:29.46 | spessex | maroloccio: keep getting ssh: connect to host IPNUMBER port 22: Operation timed out |
| 20:29.47 | spessex | lost connection. |
| 20:29.59 | spessex | maroloccio: please note that it's meant to be connecting on 2222 |
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| 20:31.04 | maroloccio | spessex: i see |
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| 20:31.14 | maroloccio | well, it's easy to select port 2222 |
| 20:31.29 | maroloccio | first: service ssh start |
| 20:31.53 | maroloccio | then make sure to add the option: -P 2222 |
| 20:32.23 | spessex | maroloccio: when you say 'service ssh start' where does this go. sorry but I'm getting a little confused |
| 20:32.29 | maroloccio | example: scp -P 222 ... ... |
| 20:32.38 | spessex | ah |
| 20:32.43 | maroloccio | ok. do things in the reverse order then |
| 20:32.53 | maroloccio | start by typing the same command as before |
| 20:33.03 | spessex | yep |
| 20:33.05 | maroloccio | just "inserting" -P 222 right after `scp' |
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| 20:33.11 | maroloccio | sorry: 2222 |
| 20:34.32 | spessex | damn, looked like it worked but now getting permission denied! this only /var/www/yousayuk.com/public_html |
| 20:35.15 | maroloccio | ? |
| 20:35.34 | maroloccio | explain in detail what you types, what happened, full error message, etc. |
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| 20:36.48 | spessex | maroloccio: scp -P 2222 /Users/spessex/Desktop/version.php username@IPADDRESS:/var/www/domain/public_html |
| 20:37.06 | spessex | maroloccio: scp: /var/www/domain/public_html/version.php: Permission denied |
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| 20:38.08 | maroloccio | interesting |
| 20:38.16 | maroloccio | i am assuming you put placeholders here? |
| 20:38.30 | maroloccio | you actually used a real username in the actual command? |
| 20:38.41 | spessex | maroloccio: yes real username and real IP |
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| 20:38.50 | maroloccio | ok. |
| 20:39.02 | maroloccio | try this ssh username@IP |
| 20:39.10 | maroloccio | do you get to a prompt after logging in? |
| 20:39.19 | spessex | maroloccio: to be honest I'm sure what I've done. On NGINX (someone has setup for me) but added on server block yesterday and everything seemed okay but I must have a permission problem |
| 20:39.34 | maroloccio | ssh -p 2222 username@ip |
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| 20:40.13 | maroloccio | i know it is *very* confusing that `scp' uses `-P' and `ssh' uses `-p' (nuts, really) |
| 20:40.32 | epsilon | +1 |
| 20:40.42 | epsilon | I hate THAT too |
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| 20:41.37 | spessex | maroloccio: used scp /Users/spessex/Desktop/version.php ssh -p 2222 username@IPNUMBER:/var/www/domain/public_html |
| 20:42.00 | spessex | maroloccio: getting ssh: connect to host IPNUMBER port 22: Operation timed out |
| 20:42.37 | maroloccio | spessex: watch -P Vs -p mate |
| 20:42.56 | charles95 | port 443? |
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| 20:43.23 | epsilon | scp -P 2222 /Users/spessex/Desktop/version.php username@IPNUMBER:/var/www/domain/public_html/ |
| 20:43.28 | maroloccio | ssh -p 2222 yourusername@remoteserveripaddress |
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| 20:44.23 | maroloccio | charles95: 443 to do what |
| 20:44.30 | epsilon | you use scp OR ssh, not same time |
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| 20:44.57 | spessex | used scp -P 2222 /Users/spessex/Desktop/version.php username@IPNUMBER:/var/www/domain/public_html/ and getting |
| 20:45.11 | maroloccio | if scp fails and you want to troubleshoot destination filesystem permissions, i think it's reasonable to recommend hopping onto the box from which to inspect things, don't you think epsilon ? :) |
| 20:45.23 | spessex | permission denied again. |
| 20:45.49 | spessex | can I ask how to inspect :) can connect to box easily |
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| 20:46.20 | epsilon | login failed, or logged in and permission denied? |
| 20:46.27 | charles95 | I was just saying that port 443 sometimes avoids the timeouts |
| 20:46.49 | spessex | just permission denied |
| 20:47.08 | spessex | scp: /var/www/domain/public_html//version.php: Permission denied |
| 20:47.29 | epsilon | can be missing write access on /var/www/domain/public_html/ by "username". can you login via ssh and try to write a file in that dir? like: touch /var/www/domain/public_html/foo |
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| 20:48.20 | spessex | touch: cannot touch `/var/www/domain/public_html/foo': Permission denied |
| 20:48.26 | maroloccio | spessex: you would check permissions by ls -l /your/path |
| 20:48.36 | Baribal | That's weird... According to my local man page, there is no -P in ssh, just -p. WTF? |
| 20:48.56 | maroloccio | scp takes -P, ssh -p, it is insane |
| 20:49.11 | spessex | maroloccio: total 0 |
| 20:49.26 | maroloccio | if you did it on the dir, you need to add a -d |
| 20:49.43 | Baribal | has the burning desire to put the responsible programmer against the wall and shoot him in the foot. |
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| 20:50.18 | maroloccio | Baribal: that is not absurd by unix terms in any way.. there are *way* more baffling things |
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| 20:50.38 | maroloccio | spessex: are you familiar with permissions troubleshooting? |
| 20:50.47 | spessex | maroloccio: coming up with /var/www/domain/public_html (in blue) |
| 20:51.01 | maroloccio | as in: you know how to check perms, assign perms, switch user, grant perms to another user, try creating files.. |
| 20:51.02 | Baribal | The fact that there are worse things out there doesn't make this thing better. |
| 20:51.36 | spessex | maroloccio: unfortunately 'no' (still trying to find my way around). I don't mind reading docs if you know of any to point at :) |
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| 20:51.49 | maroloccio | spessex: then you are getting a little off topic for #debian :) |
| 20:52.15 | spessex | maroloccio: ah okay. new to IRC. can you recommend a channel? |
| 20:52.17 | maroloccio | and you did *not* copy and paste the full output of `ls -d -l' |
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| 20:52.32 | epsilon | spessex: are you the admin of the server? |
| 20:52.39 | maroloccio | they are both important. the `-l' to show perms and the `-d' if you are doing this on your www folder directly |
| 20:52.57 | spessex | epsilon: not admin. someone else has configured but I can 'su' in as root |
| 20:53.11 | maroloccio | spessex: that is equiv to being the admin ;) |
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| 20:53.46 | maroloccio | if you could only `sudo' some commands.. you'd be a "power user". to be able to actually `su - root' means... "admin" ;) |
| 20:54.03 | spessex | maroloccio: ah. I replaced -l for -d not both. now see output drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 11 12:41 /var/www/domain/public_html/ |
| 20:54.17 | maroloccio | ok. this is your prob. :) found it :) |
| 20:54.21 | maroloccio | thanks for collaborating |
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| 20:54.42 | maroloccio | when you scp username, what is username? assuming it's *not* root, right? |
| 20:54.49 | Baribal | maroloccio, But thanks for reminding me that there's this story that I wanted to read, which has just that topic as its plot point. :D |
| 20:55.02 | maroloccio | Baribal: ? |
| 20:55.06 | spessex | maroloccio: no it's not root it's just a normal user name |
| 20:55.19 | maroloccio | spessex: so i am gonna explain to you what's happenin' dude |
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| 20:55.47 | maroloccio | this dir is owned by root, or any user in the group "root".. it's configured to allow access just to the "admin" |
| 20:55.49 | spessex | thank you |
| 20:56.00 | maroloccio | root can write to it.. NOBODY else can |
| 20:56.14 | maroloccio | so.. you can't |
| 20:56.24 | maroloccio | you have a choice now |
| 20:56.24 | Baribal | maroloccio, I've heard about it a while ago, and never read it so far, just heard the summary; "The ones who walk away from Omelas" |
| 20:56.36 | elvis4526 | Why sometimes when I activate laptop-mode-tools /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode return 2 and sometimes it's 5 |
| 20:56.41 | maroloccio | Baribal: what on earth are you talking about dude |
| 20:56.42 | spessex | okay. but I thought I was part of the group root |
| 20:56.51 | spessex | hence why I could 'su'? |
| 20:57.00 | maroloccio | which does not actually have W |
| 20:57.07 | maroloccio | no, that's just /etc/sudoers |
| 20:57.17 | maroloccio | spessex: do not derail me please? :) |
| 20:57.28 | spessex | okay :) |
| 20:57.37 | maroloccio | you could do this |
| 20:57.55 | maroloccio | "could" is because you have many choices there, deps on how you use the system |
| 20:58.26 | maroloccio | chown youruser:youruser /the/path/you/want/to/write/to |
| 20:58.42 | maroloccio | but if you want to serve that dir over apache (do you?) |
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| 20:59.32 | maroloccio | spessex: if you ain't following it's pointless, dude |
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| 20:59.46 | spessex | following just bear with me :) |
| 21:00.40 | spessex | getting chown: invalid group: `username:username' |
| 21:01.24 | maroloccio | id username (on debian) |
| 21:03.07 | maroloccio | you probably do not have a group by the same name of your user on that system (there is a name for that policy but it's out of scope) |
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| 21:03.57 | spessex | maroloccio: I don't think I should be wasting much more of your time as I'm a little too green I think. :) I think I need to do some reading but thanks for all your help as at least we know its a permission problem :) I'll let you go now :) |
| 21:04.14 | charles95 | would the group be 'users' by any chance? |
| 21:04.27 | maroloccio | spessex: it has been a pleasure |
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| 21:04.57 | maroloccio | spessex: learn about permissions. it's useful stuff, no like remembering "command syntax" or "-p Vs -P". it will always be useful to know |
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| 21:05.06 | spessex | will do :) |
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| 21:07.01 | maroloccio | and choose your channel better :) |
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| 21:31.16 | lessless | folks, despite there are mirrors mentioned in sources.list aptitude install sudo says that it can't find package with such name |
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| 21:31.36 | koollman | lessless: aptitude update , first |
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| 21:32.44 | EvenR | hi. some "legal" question. Would Debian allow a GPLv3 package that would link to GPLv3 libs and GPLv2 (only) libs ? |
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| 21:34.43 | lessless | koollman, it hits about 10 servers but in the still can't find the package |
| 21:34.49 | fedesilva | Hi, I have a server with two NICS, one of them refuses to go up with ipv4 addresses, any ideas? |
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| 21:47.12 | rudi_s | EvenR: No. |
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| 21:47.34 | rudi_s | Because that violates the GPL. |
| 21:48.08 | EvenR | rudi_s: hum that confirms my other findings. Thanks |
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| 21:48.34 | rudi_s | np |
| 21:48.46 | rudi_s | Use a different library or get them to convert it to GPLv2+. |
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| 21:57.07 | ksk | hey |
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| 21:58.38 | ksk | more a general question: how is it about running an application (wine without output redirection, strace, rsync, etc) and displaying the output on a shell? does it slow things down? |
| 21:58.58 | jelly-home | rudi_s: it's debatable whether mere linking means "derived work" or not, but this is not the place to discuss it |
| 21:59.36 | rudi_s | jelly-home: AFAIK with GPLv3 it does. But I'm no expert on the subject. |
| 21:59.55 | rudi_s | But in general GPLv3 ist not compatible with GPLv2 only. |
| 22:00.25 | rudi_s | ksk: It may if there's much output. |
| 22:00.31 | rudi_s | Better redirect to a file. |
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| 22:00.58 | ShinyObjects | I can't find in the monit manual if there's a way to start a rule up disabled |
| 22:01.05 | ShinyObjects | Does anyone know if it can be done? |
| 22:01.35 | ShinyObjects | I have a 2 phase "state machine" of sorts where when 1 rule is satisfied it turns itself off and enables the 2nd rule |
| 22:01.48 | ShinyObjects | When the 2nd rule gets satisfied it turns itself of and enables the first. |
| 22:01.56 | ShinyObjects | But the 2nd one needs to be disabled at the beginning |
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| 22:22.39 | lessless | how to add /usr/local/lib to lib path? |
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| 22:26.11 | Ricky27 | Hey. I run a server with a fairly good CPU and 32GB RAM (only ~6GB used on average). Any idea if I could run anything? Like a BOINC project that requires not all of CPU but more RAM? I'm paying for this machine anyway |
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| 22:31.35 | rudi_s | lessless: Already by default: cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf |
| 22:31.47 | jordanm | Ricky27, http://folding.stanford.edu/ |
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| 23:19.28 | moof2 | how would I go about making jack and phonon coexist? for some reason I can't start jack, and the messages I get don't say why |
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| 23:24.15 | snafu777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.15 | snafu777 | <snafu777> <snafu777> I can do: gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump |
| 23:24.15 | snafu777 | <snafu777> <snafu777> and it shows the position of all my icons on the desktop |
| 23:24.15 | snafu777 | <snafu777> <snafu777> How can i take that, store it, and then load it for later if i make changes but want to change back to the original positions listed in the file without moving icons by hand? |
| 23:24.15 | snafu777 | <snafu777> <snafu777> Any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 23:24.48 | snafu777 | Anyone could help it would be appreciative |
| 23:24.50 | snafu777 | sorry for the flood |
| 23:25.24 | moof2 | you should edit that together in a text file... the bot is triggered by number of lines |
| 23:25.46 | moof2 | you can also pastebin that, and that would be perfectly ok too |
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| 23:25.53 | snafu777 | Well, i can type it out |
| 23:26.01 | snafu777 | I have an N900, its a Maemo based phone |
| 23:26.05 | moof2 | brave man :) |
| 23:26.05 | snafu777 | It has desktop icons |
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| 23:26.14 | snafu777 | stored in gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump |
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| 23:26.29 | snafu777 | I can see the positions and the desktop location for each icon |
| 23:26.33 | moof2 | you might wish to use less enters too |
| 23:26.44 | snafu777 | I would like to figure out how to get gconf to load a file so i dont have to manually move icons |
| 23:28.01 | moof2 | hope you find your answer (I never used gconf before) |
| 23:28.08 | snafu777 | damn |
| 23:28.11 | snafu777 | Anyone else? |
| 23:28.21 | moof2 | I'm only one among alot |
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