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| 00:19.13 | ksuhku | Snafu777, what exactly is your problem? you can use gconftool to read and write the prefs, it's all on the man page, as usual |
| 00:19.19 | Snafu777 | Got it |
| 00:19.26 | ksuhku | good |
| 00:19.26 | Snafu777 | yeah manpage sucks when yer using an n900=) |
| 00:19.31 | Snafu777 | i went with the / |
| 00:19.32 | ksuhku | ah |
| 00:19.41 | Snafu777 | gconftool-2 --dump > hope.xml |
| 00:19.43 | Snafu777 | delete the icon |
| 00:19.51 | Snafu777 | gconftool-2 --load hope.xml |
| 00:19.56 | Snafu777 | icon goes p00f and appears =) |
| 00:19.58 | ksuhku | yeah |
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| 00:20.03 | Snafu777 | not ideal |
| 00:20.06 | Snafu777 | but since its my distro |
| 00:20.08 | Snafu777 | it works out |
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| 00:37.10 | paradigmarson | I want to remove unwanted services, like display managers and mail transfer agents. How does a sensible person do that? |
| 00:37.31 | kyconquers | I just installed Startopia and am running it through wine. The text for the menu does not appear. |
| 00:38.12 | kyconquers | The error message "fixme:d3d_surface:surface_convert_format Cannot find a conversion function from format WINED3DFMT_DXT1 to WINED3DFMT_B5G6R5_UNORM." appears several times. |
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| 00:39.24 | paradigmarson | I'm currently using sysv-rc-conf |
| 00:41.09 | kyconquers | I am also seeing couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so |
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| 00:41.26 | kyconquers | but gnome keyring package is installed. |
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| 00:52.00 | abyxcos | What's the quickest/best way to grab a >=3.10 kernel? |
| 00:52.04 | abyxcos | -experimental packages seem to be a giant tangled mess of dependencies that won't auto-resolve. |
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| 01:01.18 | abyxcos | Also, what directory does .config live in? |
| 01:01.41 | Vicissitude | ~/.config usually is where it is |
| 01:01.41 | apt | Vicissitude: okay |
| 01:01.59 | abyxcos | Vicissitude: That's generally *not* where it is... |
| 01:02.30 | Vicissitude | that's where it is here (using wheezy) |
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| 01:03.01 | abyxcos | Vicissitude: Normally it's under /usr/src/*/.config, unless some tosser thought it would be fun to make life suck..? |
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| 01:03.28 | Arafangion | Are debian's DVD torrents normally slow? The seed ratio is like, 0.002 |
| 01:03.48 | Arafangion | Oh, d'oh. It was added "today", that explains it. :) |
| 01:04.33 | abyxcos | As near as I can tell, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kernel/linux-image-3.10-rc7-amd64 doesn't provide a .config. |
| 01:04.59 | Arafangion | My HDD seems to crash, or at least something "weird" happened - grub loads, but can't find state2, from what I've been able to tell, so I figure: Might as well re-set the system. |
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| 01:08.22 | chomwitt | apt-doc seems too old (2004). it refers to dselect. is that a 'bug' that should be reported? |
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| 01:16.36 | abyxcos | I'm also not sure why it's so hard to find a decent .config template for a desktop... |
| 01:16.56 | abyxcos | Instead of whacking everything and enabling options till I can boot again :P |
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| 01:17.19 | paradigmarson | I just got a kernel panic when using init=4 as a boot parameter, despite runlevel 4 being the same as the default. |
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| 01:17.35 | paradigmarson | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:19.36 | Arafangion | paradigmarson: Doesn't init= specify the initialiser? |
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| 01:20.42 | moof2 | specifies the program to run instead of one called init |
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| 01:21.10 | paradigmarson | Arafangion: 'The initial runlevel used for multi-user mode is specified with the "init=" kernel boot parameter or in the "initdefault" line of the "/etc/inittab".' -- Debian Reference, 3.5 |
| 01:21.13 | moof2 | there isn't anything special about the program itself... hence you can set init=/some/shell |
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| 01:22.40 | paradigmarson | I didn't say 'set init=/some/shell' -- I just put the string "init=4" on the end of a grub line that started with 'linux'. |
| 01:22.57 | paradigmarson | Maybe I'm a silly moose. |
| 01:23.04 | moof2 | the content of the init program are what make it special, in that it does at least part of the job of handling all the processes that run |
| 01:23.52 | paradigmarson | moof2: so am I specifying the runlevel wrong? |
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| 01:24.27 | moof2 | init= (in the kernel) doens't set the runlevel, that's the only mistake I see |
| 01:24.41 | paradigmarson | Right, a pretty important one lol |
| 01:24.49 | moof2 | the initdefault parameter (as you say) in inittab is what does that |
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| 01:24.54 | paradigmarson | Is this a bug in the debian reference? |
| 01:25.19 | moof2 | could you link to the page? |
| 01:25.24 | paradigmarson | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_stage_4_the_normal_debian_system |
| 01:26.03 | paradigmarson | Thanks. Section 3.5 . Search for string init=. Thanks again. |
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| 01:27.14 | moof2 | one thing is very sure... it does say that... |
| 01:28.09 | paradigmarson | Aha |
| 01:28.32 | paradigmarson | I guess I should file a bug report, though it's late at night and I've no experience doing so. |
| 01:29.18 | paradigmarson | Perhaps another time. |
| 01:29.18 | paradigmarson | Well, thanks very much to both of you. |
| 01:29.44 | moof2 | I don't think it's accurate, unless something has changed. I've always used init= to spawn a shell before all the init stuff happens (like starting services and mounting everything other than /) |
| 01:30.08 | paradigmarson | Yeah, I think it's wrong. |
| 01:30.18 | paradigmarson | It didn't work and the Debian wiki says something different. As do you. |
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| 01:30.39 | paradigmarson | As did Arafang. Well, thanks. |
| 01:30.44 | moof2 | I wonder if the kernel accepts runlevel= |
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| 01:47.59 | zudge | new debian user here |
| 01:48.08 | zudge | i've got my nvidia drivers configured |
| 01:48.20 | moof2 | hi, that's great, is it working? |
| 01:48.25 | zudge | but for some reason i'm getting some unresponsiveness from gnome3 |
| 01:48.43 | moof2 | so you see the screen? |
| 01:48.46 | zudge | it seems like every 5 - 10 minutes it will just freeze on me |
| 01:48.47 | zudge | yes |
| 01:49.03 | zudge | i can see everything, but i cannot move windows around or access the 'activities' |
| 01:49.04 | moof2 | what cpu is it? |
| 01:49.13 | zudge | intel core i7 920 bloomfield |
| 01:49.25 | moof2 | how much ram? |
| 01:49.37 | zudge | 12gb ddr3 1600mhz |
| 01:49.50 | moof2 | that's wayyyy plenty of power |
| 01:49.58 | zudge | i know |
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| 01:50.09 | moof2 | what arch did you install? |
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| 01:50.24 | zudge | i installed 64-bit |
| 01:50.31 | moof2 | so amd64 |
| 01:50.35 | zudge | yeah |
| 01:50.43 | zudge | but i recently added i386 for playonlinux |
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| 01:51.09 | moof2 | by doing the dpkg --add-architecture i386 thing? |
| 01:51.35 | zudge | exactly |
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| 01:52.42 | zudge | i had to for multiarch support with playonlinux otherwise it wouldn't function |
| 01:52.47 | zudge | do you think that may be causing it? |
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| 01:53.01 | moof2 | hmm. I wonder if /var/log/Xorg.0.log has anything interesting to say |
| 01:53.01 | zudge | because i don't remember it happening before i made the change last night |
| 01:53.10 | zudge | let me grab that for you |
| 01:53.25 | moof2 | I have -no- idea... gnome has no business using that much processing power |
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| 01:54.06 | zudge | http://pastie.org/8136336 |
| 01:54.10 | moof2 | change? what change again? oh, adding the arch |
| 01:54.22 | zudge | yeah adding the arch |
| 01:54.25 | kyconquers | I am running a program in wine and keep getting the error <d3d_surface:surface_convert_format Cannot find a conversion function from format> is d3d_surface a part of wine itself or is in a debian package I need to install? |
| 01:54.47 | zudge | use winetricks to install it |
| 01:55.34 | zudge | if wine boots properly and you are getting errors from your windows application in wine it means to need to edit your winecfg or install libraries |
| 01:55.41 | abyxcos | zudge: Do you have that same problem with gnome3 on other linuxes? |
| 01:55.42 | zudge | what are you trying to use? |
| 01:55.54 | Coburn | kyconquers: install directx |
| 01:55.56 | zudge | @abyxcos no i just switched from ubuntu and it was running fine for me |
| 01:55.58 | abyxcos | zudge: That sounds like a disk-access problem, most likely something trying to be smart about indexing. |
| 01:55.59 | Coburn | using winetricks |
| 01:56.17 | moof2 | take a look at the end of that file... look at your own paste and just scroll down |
| 01:56.18 | Coburn | the built-in directx kinda is crippled |
| 01:56.47 | abyxcos | zudge: However, I believe gnome3 works very hard to be slow regardless of your system specs. |
| 01:57.18 | moof2 | abyxcos, you mean be slow AND take up cpu%? |
| 01:57.33 | moof2 | or be slow using something like sleep? |
| 01:57.47 | zudge | do you guys have better suggestions for dm? |
| 01:57.49 | kyconquers | zudge, startopia. and I can't run the setup exe with winetricks. |
| 01:58.04 | kyconquers | Coburn where would I install it from? |
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| 01:58.22 | zudge | i like any desktop manager with an application launcher |
| 01:58.27 | abyxcos | moof2: Anything they can get away with. |
| 01:58.38 | zudge | i like gnome3, but unity was great on ubuntu |
| 01:58.50 | zudge | i mostly just like the application launcher type dm |
| 01:58.52 | moof2 | any idea what their purpose in doing so it? |
| 01:58.56 | moof2 | err |
| 01:58.58 | abyxcos | zudge: Personally, I tend towards xfce or openbox, but both can run gtk/gnome services (which are less heavy than the full thing,) and you should be able to grab any panel you want, or gnome-do. |
| 01:59.01 | moof2 | any idea what their purpose in doing so IS? |
| 01:59.44 | abyxcos | moof2: Well, based off my understanding of their development model; it's to piss off every non-redhat developer and user they can. |
| 01:59.50 | abyxcos | s/redhat/fedora/ |
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| 02:00.26 | moof2 | maybe you'd be happier with something other than gnome... there are a LOT of people complaining about gnome3 in particular |
| 02:00.33 | Coburn | kyconquers: apt-get install winetricks |
| 02:00.37 | abyxcos | zudge: I generally find that once I take the 5-10 minutes to move xfce's panels around, I'm very happy with it. Even their default configs these days are very reasonable. |
| 02:00.42 | Coburn | KDE 4.8 > GNOME 3 |
| 02:00.49 | Coburn | Even if KDE looks like Vista |
| 02:01.10 | zudge | i'm not really bothered by the look, i just need an application launcher |
| 02:01.14 | abyxcos | KDE is another very configurable DE. If you don't like the default look, change it. |
| 02:01.22 | Th0masR0ss | NO |
| 02:01.30 | Th0masR0ss | !START A DE WAR |
| 02:01.31 | dpkg | Emacs blows goats! |
| 02:01.47 | Coburn | tmi? |
| 02:01.56 | Vicissitude | <goats> untrue! |
| 02:02.06 | abyxcos | zudge: What exactly do you mean by an application launcher? XFCE/openbox can both run/use gnome-panel and xfce-panel, and various other launchers. If you mean the one that pops up when you hit meta/windows key, I'm not sure which service provides that. |
| 02:02.16 | squisher | hey, I seem to only be able to use a 2GB memory region, even though the kernel allocates more -- is there some kernel option I screwed up? |
| 02:02.33 | Th0masR0ss | Xfce is the best obviously |
| 02:02.40 | moof2 | zudge, one complaint I've heard is gnome 3 doesn't let you have icons on your desktop, such as launchers |
| 02:02.51 | Coburn | squisher: what arch? |
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| 02:03.11 | abyxcos | zudge: I've also been looking at razor-qt and the lxde-qt port. QT is a very nice toolkit, and they're the equivilant of xfce/openbox on the QT side of things. |
| 02:03.14 | squisher | Coburn, amd64 |
| 02:03.23 | Coburn | If you're only able to use to use 2GB... Could be there's some bad RAM |
| 02:03.30 | Coburn | and the kernel's mapped around it |
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| 02:03.44 | kyconquers | Coburn, I have winetricks installed. |
| 02:03.57 | squisher | Coburn, my issue is with a continous 2.some GB memory region |
| 02:04.02 | zudge | @moof2 it is disabled by default, but you can enable it |
| 02:04.03 | squisher | I doubt that it's a hardware issue |
| 02:04.18 | kyconquers | the GUI doesn't show anything about installing startopia or directx |
| 02:04.26 | abyxcos | moof2: As a tangential data point, I've started disabling icons on my desktop since I started using linux. Everything is available in a menu, via terminal, or in a folder that's not hidden by windows. |
| 02:04.27 | squisher | it's _right_ when it hits 2GB too |
| 02:05.04 | abyxcos | moof2: Also, they don't block my wallpaper. |
| 02:05.49 | moof2 | abyxcos, I can understand that... except, block your wallpaper from? clicks? |
| 02:06.11 | abyxcos | moof2: My eyes ;) |
| 02:06.22 | abyxcos | moof2: Also, transparent iconsets are hard to use. |
| 02:06.33 | moof2 | oh, ok... |
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| 02:07.23 | abyxcos | zudge: Personally, from a development perspective, and soon a user perspective, GTK-3 is a bloody mess. So I'm slowly beginning to evaluate moving back over to QT (long KDE-3.1 fan.) |
| 02:08.45 | zudge | like i mentioned anything with an application launcher where i can search all my apps and easily execute |
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| 02:08.57 | zudge | unity and gtk3 are the only ones i know |
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| 02:09.10 | moof2 | I'm getting the impression you don't want to move |
| 02:09.30 | moof2 | do I have that right? |
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| 02:10.03 | abyxcos | zudge: http://www.aboutlinux.info/2007/12/gnome-do-universal-launcher-for-gnome.html |
| 02:10.25 | abyxcos | zudge: I haven't used it, but by accounts it's pretty nice (I've used quicksilver under OSX.) |
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| 02:10.50 | zudge | @abyxcos i think kde has an application launcher |
| 02:10.54 | abyxcos | http://do.cooperteam.net/ |
| 02:11.10 | zudge | @abyxcos it runs a bit heavier, but i think my comp will handle it just fine |
| 02:11.16 | abyxcos | zudge: I think the newest kde has a start-menu search like Windows added. |
| 02:11.33 | Arafangion | Does Debian 7.1 still use Gnome as the default "desktop" environment? |
| 02:11.41 | zudge | @arafangion yes |
| 02:11.49 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Yes. |
| 02:12.04 | abyxcos | Although I only got bash installed :P |
| 02:12.16 | Arafangion | Bah, thanks. I'll probably avoid the 'desktop' tasksel option, then. |
| 02:12.24 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Not zsh? :) |
| 02:12.38 | Sabbie | chsh -s /bin/zsh abyxcos |
| 02:12.40 | moof2 | zudge, your computer will handle most anything just fine |
| 02:13.01 | abyxcos | Arafangion: As far as I know, no linux installs zsh. (OSX comes with zsh installed though.) |
| 02:13.20 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Not by default, indeed. :( OSX defaults to bash too, oddly. |
| 02:13.21 | moof2 | Sabbie, if he doesn't have zsh installed... something like that could prevent him from logging in |
| 02:13.35 | zudge | @moof2 I'm adding some liquid cooling and sli another gtx 650 in the next week or two |
| 02:13.49 | abyxcos | Arafangion: OSX installs bash, tcsh, ksh, zsh by default, and uses bash-gpl2 by default. |
| 02:14.01 | Sabbie | would it moof2? I though chsh would give an error |
| 02:14.02 | abyxcos | moof2: I think that just spits out an error. |
| 02:14.03 | Arafangion | OSX is pretty sweet. |
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| 02:14.29 | moof2 | Sabbie, that's possible |
| 02:15.02 | abyxcos | (For reference, most BSDs only install some ksh variant, although I think freebsd pulls in bash quickly.) |
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| 02:15.21 | abyxcos | Also, is zsh even /bin/zsh? I've been finding shells in funny locations these days. |
| 02:15.44 | Arafangion | abyxcos: That would depend on how critical a 'system' component it is. |
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| 02:16.11 | Sabbie | I have zsh at /bin/zsh |
| 02:16.20 | Sabbie | also, I get chsh: /bin/test is an invalid shell |
| 02:16.26 | moof2 | chsh: /bin/cat is an invalid shell |
| 02:16.37 | Arafangion | zsh is at /bin/zsh in mac os x. |
| 02:16.48 | abyxcos | /bin/zsh *should* be statically link, /usr/bin/zsh could be dynamically linked. |
| 02:16.51 | moof2 | probably "invalid" means "not in /etc/shells" |
| 02:17.02 | abyxcos | Sabbie, moof2: You need to add that to /etc/shells first. |
| 02:17.04 | Arafangion | abyxcos: I don't even know what that means anymore. :/ |
| 02:17.17 | Arafangion | abyxcos: (Linking on mac os x is weird) |
| 02:17.20 | moof2 | abyxcos, indeed :) |
| 02:17.21 | abyxcos | Arafangion: It means when you bone up your system, you can run programs in /bin, but not in /usr/bin. |
| 02:17.43 | abyxcos | Not that one would ever do such a thing. |
| 02:17.59 | moof2 | Arafangion, probably "weird" means "it's not using gnu binutils" |
| 02:18.02 | Arafangion | abyxcos: That's irrespective of link status, although yes, static linking would make for more resilliant systems. |
| 02:18.44 | Arafangion | moof2: There are at least 4 ways to link on mac os x, and the linker is *more* complicated than that of ld.so, unless I'm badly mistaken. |
| 02:18.45 | abyxcos | Arafangion: If you break libc, dynamic linked programs won't run. |
| 02:18.45 | moof2 | and gnu ld |
| 02:19.04 | Arafangion | abyxcos: True, that. But libc should be in /, not /usr. |
| 02:19.13 | moof2 | I don't doubt that for a second |
| 02:19.24 | abyxcos | It's bsd-ld, but there's some trickery to enable dynamic linking to binary-container-things. |
| 02:19.36 | abyxcos | Arafangion: If libc is broken, doesn't matter where on your filesystem it is. |
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| 02:20.33 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Where it is on the filesystem could contribute to the brokeness of libc. |
| 02:20.55 | Arafangion | abyxcos: (Although that argument is increasonly irrelevant... Poeple just wack everything into the same partition now) |
| 02:20.59 | abyxcos | Arafangion: That's nothing a mv or a livecd won't fix. |
| 02:21.13 | Arafangion | abyxcos: True. |
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| 02:21.19 | abyxcos | Assuming your mv is static. |
| 02:22.10 | Arafangion | Heh, which it isn't, otool for that reports: |
| 02:22.15 | Arafangion | /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 159.1.0) |
| 02:22.18 | moof2 | Arafangion, I don't do the filesystem whacking |
| 02:22.28 | Arafangion | moof2: Good man. |
| 02:22.43 | moof2 | I use separate FSes for every kind of install, it just makes sense |
| 02:23.18 | Arafangion | moof2: I agree, traditionally though, that choice has always been to the user. |
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| 02:23.31 | Arafangion | moof2: Without guidance (although tha'ts changed now, I believe) |
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| 02:24.07 | moof2 | installers tend to go for swap n slash |
| 02:24.32 | Arafangion | It's interesting that /bin/mv in mac os links against /usr/lib |
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| 02:25.22 | abyxcos | I dumped everything in root, as the system is a living hell to boot without that. |
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| 02:25.37 | moof2 | I personally do single-drive LVM, and put / /usr /var /home and some others in separate LVs |
| 02:25.43 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Eh? |
| 02:26.00 | Arafangion | moof2: I have't felt the need for LVM as yet. |
| 02:26.06 | abyxcos | root, /home, and /boot (just because efi/gpt and fancy filesystems.) |
| 02:26.25 | abyxcos | I'm not even sure where /var is anymore. |
| 02:26.43 | moof2 | well it turns out I need more space in /home from time to time |
| 02:27.08 | moof2 | so I typically add 10G each time |
| 02:27.19 | Arafangion | Yeah, my storage needs are relatively static. /home tends to be almost all of my space. |
| 02:27.50 | moof2 | does that make me a hoarder? |
| 02:28.59 | Arafangion | moof2: Yes. :) Then again, I don't listen to music, so I have no need to collect music and such. |
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| 02:29.15 | abyxcos | music, movies, VM images, backups. |
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| 02:29.57 | moof2 | compiles, source, audios |
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| 02:30.03 | moof2 | cd images |
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| 02:30.28 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Ah, yes. My work environment is... Sadly... Mac laptops. |
| 02:30.45 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Not my current super-powered debian system (which needs repair, hence my download of Debian 7.1) |
| 02:31.11 | moof2 | so you're going to reinstall? |
| 02:31.33 | Arafangion | moof2: Might as well, I have suspected filesystem corruption. |
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| 02:31.54 | moof2 | hmm... what do smartd logs say? |
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| 02:32.37 | Arafangion | moof2: And the partition layout is a bit 'odd', as it stemed from a previous computer, which had a peculiarly limited bios. Just wacked the HDD into the newer system and I was a go, want to fix some of that setup. |
| 02:32.50 | Arafangion | moof2: Well, grub2 can't find stage2, it seems. |
| 02:33.11 | moof2 | grub2 may not have a stage2 |
| 02:33.11 | Arafangion | moof2: And there has been no recent system updates, let alone kernel updates. |
| 02:33.39 | Arafangion | moof2: In any case, it's suddently unable to find the next stage or the kernel. *suddenly*. |
| 02:33.59 | Arafangion | Wondering if a hard drive died, even. I'll find out. :) |
| 02:34.17 | moof2 | that's what I was wondering too |
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| 02:35.28 | Arafangion | The torrent for 7.1 is slow, though. THe seed ratio hovers between 0.000 and 0.001, although it peaked just then at an amazing 0.03 |
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| 02:35.45 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Eh, I like apple laptop hardware. I'm not overly fond of linux either. |
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| 02:36.35 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Apple's compilers irritate me, though, getting brew going with the command line parser is frustrating at best - it apparently requires xcode. And xcode keeps needing manual updates too. |
| 02:36.40 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Unforteantly, I need some linux-only drivers/feature support, or I'd be on an openbsd desktop. |
| 02:36.59 | abyxcos | Arafangion: It only needs the "xcode" command-line tools package. |
| 02:37.01 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Hardware is nice and cheap, though, and they have a known quality. |
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| 02:37.29 | abyxcos | Arafangion: The most annoying part of compiling on apple is dealing with all that idiotic gnu crap mixed in. |
| 02:37.29 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Quite a few packages look for xcodebuild. |
| 02:37.56 | abyxcos | Arafangion: When you pull the gnu junk out and replace it with bsd stuff (or vice versa) it starts working again. |
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| 02:38.01 | Arafangion | abyxcos: The gnu stuff isn't so bad, if it was consistent. :/ |
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| 02:38.30 | abyxcos | GCC can't even generate deterministic code, and you want a consistent toolchain? |
| 02:38.46 | Arafangion | Ha, true, that. |
| 02:39.09 | abyxcos | Gnu is written for gnu, linux, and old unix workstations. It doesn't play nice with anything else. |
| 02:39.10 | Arafangion | I know that the linux-from-scratch project compiles the toolchain at least twice. |
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| 02:39.30 | abyxcos | You need to do that to bootstrap any toolchain. |
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| 02:39.39 | abyxcos | I don't think there's any way around it. |
| 02:40.06 | Arafangion | The way around it is to fix cross compilation. |
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| 02:40.55 | abyxcos | Gnu doesn't like cross-compiling, specially to non-gnu targets. |
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| 02:41.12 | Arafangion | Which is frustrating. |
| 02:41.14 | abyxcos | One of the reasons clang/llvm is taking off. |
| 02:41.27 | Arafangion | It's one of the reasons I love it, indeed. |
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| 02:41.38 | abyxcos | But that's more a conversation for #politics. |
| 02:41.51 | Arafangion | I just wish I could do my dev on a non-windows system. :) |
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| 02:42.21 | abyxcos | You can do dev on a windows system (that isn't .net or java?) |
| 02:42.22 | Arafangion | But that's a conversation for another time... I'm using a windows-specific language and all that crap, anyway, so I'm a lost cause. |
| 02:42.33 | Arafangion | abyxcos: I didn't say it was productive dev. ;) |
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| 02:43.10 | Arafangion | abyxcos: But yes, you can, as long as you use windows designs. Monolithic apps and all that. |
| 02:43.11 | abyxcos | Whenever I have to drop into windows, it's coding with gvim, then pushing to the linux build machine. |
| 02:43.36 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Nice. |
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| 02:45.22 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Painful. No tmux/screen in windows. And contrary to the name, the window manager is pathetic. |
| 02:46.06 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Those are really minor issues. |
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| 02:46.15 | Arafangion | abyxcos: (Sadly) |
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| 02:47.11 | abyxcos | Arafangion: It's probably worth getting out of windows development. I just avoid places that do it. (Also, I don't know any windows languages, so that helps me be selective.) |
| 02:47.42 | james41382 | Does anyone know of a good way to keep the screen from locking while watching flash videos? |
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| 02:50.45 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Yeah, I agree. I'm not tied to any language, at least, although I would have a bit of a learning curve if I were to suddenly get introduced to, say, an erlang or haskell project. (Those lagnauges are on my to-do list) |
| 02:50.58 | Arafangion | james: Yes, by avoiding flash. |
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| 02:52.16 | abyxcos | Arafangion: erlang is fun. If you can do lisp, it's much easier to pick up. |
| 02:52.25 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Does emacs lisp count? ;) |
| 02:52.33 | Arafangion | (Oh, and woe to me, who uses emacs on windows) |
| 02:52.35 | abyxcos | Arafangion: I don't know emacs :D |
| 02:53.13 | abyxcos | Arafangion: I don't know how lisp-scripts differ from structured lisp programming. |
| 02:53.35 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Also, I don't know java/c++, so that really helps me to avoid windows dev jobs. |
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| 02:54.06 | Arafangion | abyxcos: It's a lisp-1. There are far worse langauges than java/C++. I currently do Delphi. |
| 02:55.02 | moof2 | why count java and c++ together? they're very different |
| 02:55.05 | Arafangion | Sorry, it's a lisp-2. |
| 02:55.12 | Arafangion | moof2: Absolutely. |
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| 02:56.03 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Java and C++ are both pretty good outside of windows, as well. |
| 02:56.25 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Arguably, Java is evne more likely to be on unix/linux than windows, in some markets. |
| 02:56.37 | abyxcos | moof2: They're two of the main OO languages. And really, they're the same except for swing. |
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| 02:56.52 | Arafangion | abyxcos: How wrong you are. |
| 02:57.02 | abyxcos | Arafangion: In my view, they're terrible all around. |
| 02:57.03 | moof2 | no, they're definitely different |
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| 02:58.14 | MachinaeWolf | rhythmbox isn't seeing my ipod touch, also if I click preferences on rhythmbox it crashes ?_? |
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| 02:58.27 | Arafangion | Utterly. The only similarity is that they both use {}'s. and semicolons. |
| 02:58.29 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Any errors generated? |
| 02:58.41 | MachinaeWolf | let me see |
| 02:58.46 | moof2 | smalltalk is probably the main oo language, and it shares its single-inheritance with java (and -not- c++) |
| 02:58.47 | abyxcos | Also, does rythmbox support the new ipods? |
| 02:59.02 | MachinaeWolf | abyxcos, it saw it one day but not today :( |
| 02:59.13 | MachinaeWolf | also it's a 2nd gen ipod touch, it's kinda old |
| 02:59.15 | Arafangion | abyxcos: I would argue that ObjC is more OO than C++, by a long shot. |
| 02:59.23 | abyxcos | moof2: Maybe it's a locality thing. In my country, smalltalk doesn't get much use. |
| 02:59.42 | Arafangion | abyxcos: And that, to some degree, Java is closer to ObjC than C++, unless you use a hugely restricted subset of C++ with very draconian style guidelines. |
| 02:59.47 | moof2 | same here, I mention it because it was the first |
| 03:00.26 | abyxcos | moof2: Simply being first doesn't make it the largest. |
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| 03:00.52 | Arafangion | moof2: Did it predate simula? |
| 03:00.55 | MachinaeWolf | well debian paste won't take the errors... |
| 03:01.02 | MachinaeWolf | I tried it said too many special characters |
| 03:01.10 | MachinaeWolf | Pastebin would do that fine... |
| 03:01.11 | abyxcos | pastebin.com |
| 03:01.26 | moof2 | I dunno, it might |
| 03:01.39 | MachinaeWolf | http://pastebin.com/A1PqXXNZ |
| 03:01.58 | moof2 | noooo, not pastebin.com! |
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| 03:02.12 | MachinaeWolf | moof2, debian paste wouldn't take it >_< |
| 03:02.14 | MachinaeWolf | so whatever |
| 03:02.18 | abyxcos | Eh, after rafb.net died, I can't remember any of the names. |
| 03:02.35 | Arafangion | That reminds me, I need to figure out the ftp feature of my modem. |
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| 03:02.44 | MachinaeWolf | anyways I'm not freaking nefarious so calm the hell down and anything that stands out in my errors? |
| 03:02.59 | Arafangion | It's absurd, that in today's internet age, one still depends on pastebin sites. |
| 03:03.04 | moof2 | MachineWolf, you -could- (if you want) apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 03:03.10 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Do you have gnome-keyring installed? |
| 03:03.19 | MachinaeWolf | Arafangion, pff |
| 03:03.29 | MachinaeWolf | let me check abyxcos |
| 03:03.48 | abyxcos | Oh wait, that's just a warning. |
| 03:03.55 | Arafangion | MachinaeWolf: That's not a critique of you, mind you. It's a critique of the current state of the internet population. |
| 03:04.00 | moof2 | Arafangion, well the thing is irc is much worse for the kind of thing pastebins are good at |
| 03:04.10 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Looks like ~/.mtpz-data doesn't exist. |
| 03:04.11 | MachinaeWolf | libgnome-keyring-common and libgnome-keyring0 is installed abyxcos |
| 03:04.22 | Arafangion | moof2: True, but even other chat systems, such as jabber and all that, have the same exact issues. |
| 03:04.31 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Seems like a "touch ~/.mtpz-data" should do it. |
| 03:04.48 | abyxcos | Arafangion: You mean sending files that are larger than the screen? |
| 03:05.08 | abyxcos | Arafangion: irc does support dcc. |
| 03:05.11 | MachinaeWolf | abyxcos, nope still crashes and doesn't see ipod :/ |
| 03:05.19 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Same error? |
| 03:05.25 | moof2 | Arafangion, there's a jabber client with a whiteboard too, I've never seen that in general use |
| 03:05.40 | Arafangion | moof2: clients that support that are rare. |
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| 03:05.57 | moof2 | Arafangion, as far as I know it's just coccinella |
| 03:05.57 | MachinaeWolf | abyxcos, looks that way |
| 03:05.59 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Feel free to send a dcc to everyone here, in the hopes that someone can check it out. |
| 03:06.04 | Arafangion | moof2: And tkabber, iirc. |
| 03:06.13 | moof2 | didn't know that |
| 03:06.34 | abyxcos | Arafangion: So what programatic mechanism would you suggest for uploading log files that everyone can view async? |
| 03:06.46 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: Particuarlly the last 2 lines. |
| 03:07.02 | MachinaeWolf | yep same |
| 03:07.04 | abyxcos | MachinaeWolf: It might also be related to that assertion. |
| 03:07.15 | abyxcos | Even after you touch that file, it can't find it? |
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| 03:07.51 | MachinaeWolf | nope it doesn't abyxcos :/ |
| 03:07.53 | Arafangion | abyxcos: I suggest that the entire world switch away from NAT, for a start. |
| 03:07.57 | moof2 | which would probably mean the "it" only scans for files once |
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| 03:08.14 | Arafangion | abyxcos: And that chat servers themselves allow coordination of files. |
| 03:08.33 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Alternatively, that more modem/routers allow trivial file sharing. |
| 03:08.34 | moof2 | Arafangion, and give up multimachine home nets? :) |
| 03:08.44 | abyxcos | Arafangion: How would removing nat help? You mean everyone should disable their firewalls? |
| 03:08.46 | Arafangion | moof2: No need to give that up with ipv6. :) |
| 03:08.58 | Arafangion | abyxcos: No, firewalls are still important. |
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| 03:09.17 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Not sure how you're going to get port 80 out. NAT just acts like a lazy firewall. |
| 03:09.40 | moof2 | you need a provider that does IPv6 and it seems like there aren't many who do |
| 03:09.48 | Arafangion | moof2: Yeah, it's a shame. |
| 03:10.03 | Arafangion | But the bigger issue, really, is that it's diffiuclt for most people to send large files. |
| 03:10.17 | Arafangion | People usually send small files by email. |
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| 03:10.34 | abyxcos | Arafangion: Because certain countries don't like the contents of most large files people would send amongst themselves? |
| 03:10.54 | abyxcos | I'll also direct you to #politics for that one. |
| 03:10.58 | moof2 | the much larger address space in ipv6 was promising... and it fizzled, some people have some problem with ipv6... otherwise we'd have it |
| 03:11.40 | Arafangion | abyxcos: Heh. Lets not start. |
| 03:11.44 | abyxcos | Anyway, I'm off for now. Needa bang around this VM until it gets into shape. Or a shape. |
| 03:12.21 | abyxcos | And find a kernel. |
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| 03:12.53 | Arafangion | Heh. |
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| 03:13.05 | Arafangion | abyxcos: What virt system do you use, incidentally? |
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| 03:13.17 | MachinaeWolf | abyxcos, do I need the debian multimedia repo? |
| 03:13.41 | moof2 | debian made them rename their domain name |
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| 03:14.05 | Arafangion | moof2: They did? I though it was because the hoster was uncooperative? |
| 03:15.07 | moof2 | I thought that was a different (and earlier) issue |
| 03:15.12 | moof2 | !dmm |
| 03:15.13 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 03:16.49 | Arafangion | Hmm, what does uTorrent's "Availability" mean? |
| 03:17.14 | Arafangion | There's a lot of dark blue, and light blue stripes. How does it fetch the light blue stripes, which are, I assume, distinct from dark blue, which I assume means 'available'? |
| 03:17.27 | MachinaeWolf | abyxcos, thunar can see the ipod fine |
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| 03:20.10 | moof2 | so I tried to start jack with alsa driver, and that failed... starting it with dummy driver succeeded. |
| 03:20.24 | moof2 | does that mean I need more alsa lib things? |
| 03:20.49 | Arafangion | moof2: Or a newer kernel. |
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| 03:23.30 | moof2 | same kernel |
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| 03:26.30 | Arafangion | All i can say is that when I upgraded my kernel, sound started working (but i was on an older debian 7.0-era kernel, and my hardware was brand new) |
| 03:26.37 | Arafangion | And I rarely bother with sound anyway, as I'm deaf. |
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| 03:34.01 | Arafangion | As a curiosity, is it easy to view encrypted DVD's in debian or is that still a contentious legal issue? |
| 03:34.28 | Arafangion | (And I mean without the marillat repo) |
| 03:34.59 | ghking | hello everyone! I use iceweasel in debian7. but the x-windows will dead when i drag mouse in the toolbar |
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| 03:38.48 | Arafangion | ghking: What's the error? |
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| 03:40.04 | ghking | Arafangion , my x-windows will dead when i drag mouse in the iceweal toolbar.\ |
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| 03:41.10 | moof2 | Arafangion, probably there's not an actual message... unless a log file has one |
| 03:41.12 | Arafangion | ghking: For a few seconds, or forever? |
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| 03:43.14 | Arafangion | ghking: And how much RAM do you have? |
| 03:43.27 | Arafangion | moof2: Indeed, although running it from the command line tends to ahve more diagnostics for most apps. |
| 03:43.34 | ghking | Arafangion , 4g |
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| 03:45.42 | ghking | Arafangion , immediately, when i drag in the toolbar, it will dead. then i must use "startx" to restart x-windows |
| 03:46.00 | Arafangion | ghking: How do you use 'startx'? |
| 03:46.23 | Arafangion | ghking: Do you manage to kill the xserver, or do you ssh in from another computer? |
| 03:47.02 | ghking | all no |
| 03:47.49 | ghking | how do i use "startx"? I use it in tty1... is there any problem? |
| 03:48.08 | Arafangion | So those key sequences are still working, at least. |
| 03:48.22 | Arafangion | What about the other applications? |
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| 03:50.23 | ghking | Arafangion , everything is ok! just in iceweal drag mouse the x will dead. |
| 03:51.14 | Arafangion | ghking: So what if you were to just kill the iceweasel application instead of restarting X? |
| 03:51.15 | slidesinger | ghking: You need the xinit package, you need to set your session, then it will do exactly what you want. It does leave a security hole when you lock the x console in that someone can use the ctrl-alt-f1 sequence and the ctrl-c sequence, leaving them at your command line with access to your data. |
| 03:51.21 | moof2 | that would seem to localize it to iceweasel |
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| 03:51.51 | Arafangion | slidesinger: What is it that he wants? Are you jumping ahead? |
| 03:51.53 | slidesinger | ghking: But if you always log out when you leave, it works well. |
| 03:53.11 | ghking | <Arafangion> what do you mean "just kill the iceweasel application instead of restarting X?" |
| 03:53.18 | slidesinger | Arafangion: Sorry, missed that his statement about startx was in answer to your question, not a question. |
| 03:53.50 | Arafangion | ghking: If iceweasel is the problem, why are you effectively rebooting the computer if all the other applications are working fine? |
| 03:53.58 | Arafangion | ghking: Instead, restart iceweasel on its own. |
| 03:54.53 | ghking | <Arafangion> let me try... |
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| 03:55.31 | Arafangion | ghking: If it is really really unresponsive, though, you may need to use 'xkill', but whatever application is below the mouse pointer when you click, is destroyed. |
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| 03:56.02 | Arafangion | (What's the usual "task manager" people often suggest on debian? I don't want to suggest ps aux.) |
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| 03:56.40 | gnarface | Arafangion: most people use whatever is built into their window/desktop manager |
| 03:57.04 | gnarface | Arafangion: i recommend ps aux --forest |
| 03:57.19 | slidesinger | Arafangion: (No idea, I use ps) |
| 03:57.30 | Arafangion | Heh. Lots of ps users here, then. :) |
| 03:57.52 | gnarface | i mean ... alt-tab, what happens? |
| 03:58.14 | gnarface | its really not a big task |
| 03:58.18 | gnarface | managing tasks |
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| 03:58.32 | gnarface | not in the sense that it really needs a fullblown desktop app |
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| 03:58.45 | Arafangion | gnarface: Explaining how to do tasks to an unfamiliar user is always interesting, though. |
| 03:59.18 | gnarface | heh, is there a graphical version of top? |
| 03:59.36 | Arafangion | gnarface: I guess that was really the question. |
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| 03:59.55 | Arafangion | does his civic duty and leaves utorrent open for a bit. |
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| 05:11.48 | Arafangion | Hmpf. So that's why my system died. |
| 05:11.52 | Arafangion | SSD is utterly undetectable. |
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| 05:12.38 | Arafangion | So much for that 40GB A-RAM SSD. |
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| 05:15.09 | Arafangion | Could someone suggest a good place to order a replacement SSD in sydney? (One that's cheap...) Or at least with good postage. |
| 05:17.48 | Arafangion | How do I write a debian .iso file to my USB correctly? |
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| 05:22.52 | Arafangion | Just cp the .iso onto the usb drive? Why does ubuntu's instructions say to convert it to a dmg first? |
| 05:22.55 | marcusk | Arafangion: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/foo bs=1M, where foo is the name of your USB device. |
| 05:23.04 | Arafangion | So just copy it, then. |
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| 05:28.16 | Arafangion | Bah, dd can't be done. |
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| 05:33.10 | Arafangion | I keep getting "Operation not supported". |
| 05:33.22 | Arafangion | $ sudo dd if=~/Torrents/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso of=/dev/disk2s1 bs=1m |
| 05:33.22 | Arafangion | dd: /dev/disk2s1: Operation not supported |
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| 05:38.16 | Arafangion | Stupid mac. |
| 05:39.05 | gabo | it's the entire filesystem, not a partition, i guess |
| 05:39.16 | gabo | Arafangion> try /dev/disk2 |
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| 05:39.40 | gabo | it should be unmounted too |
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| 05:41.04 | Arafangion | Just found out that unmounting the partition essentially *removes* the disk. |
| 05:41.18 | Arafangion | Which explains why it wasn't supported. |
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| 05:41.26 | marcusk | Just unmount the volume, not the entire disk |
| 05:41.28 | Arafangion | Had to specifically use diskutil to do the unmount. |
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| 05:42.16 | marcusk | Arafangion: Great! |
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| 05:43.25 | Arafangion | Indeed. :) Bit frustrating, but that's the cost of convenience, I guess. Very few people would be doing this on mac os x. |
| 05:43.47 | gabo | isn't unetbootin on Mac? |
| 05:43.57 | Arafangion | gabo: It somehow couldn't see the disk. |
| 05:44.08 | gabo | damn |
| 05:44.14 | gabo | well, dd never fails |
| 05:44.18 | gabo | powerful tool |
| 05:44.39 | Arafangion | Yeah, well it had a confusing error. "Operation not supported" really means... Anything. |
| 05:44.48 | Arafangion | I did plug it in, observe the device, then umounted it. |
| 05:44.54 | Arafangion | Turns out I unmounted it the wrong way. |
| 05:44.59 | gabo | don't forget to put 'sudo sync' at the end |
| 05:45.07 | Arafangion | Thanks for the tip. |
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| 05:46.05 | gabo | sudo dd if=path_to_iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=*M && sudo sync |
| 05:46.21 | Arafangion | gabo: bs=1m, not bs=1M :) |
| 05:46.34 | Arafangion | gabo: Different version of dd on mac os x. |
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| 05:46.38 | gabo | ic |
| 05:46.55 | gabo | what if you put 8m or 4m, doesn't it accelerate the operation? |
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| 05:49.14 | Arafangion | gabo: To be honest, I'm not sure why dd is suggested here, should be able to do it with 'cp', but no, simply using a larger blocksize doesn't accelerate it. |
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| 05:49.31 | Arafangion | gabo: You should use the block size of the target device. |
| 05:50.23 | gabo | oh ic, thanks |
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| 06:04.16 | dmannn | hey guys its me again :) can i "bind" the x-server to one programm only ? So that if i start up my debian machine X shows up as one programm only ? |
| 06:04.26 | dmannn | and not as full desktop and stuff |
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| 06:06.51 | dmannn | for example i want rdesktop+X-server to start up fullscreen and go right trough to the remote session, so u dont even know that there is debian doing the work in the background |
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| 06:09.47 | dmannn | thought about getting debian in non graphic init as default and afterwards setting startx rdesktop as autostart ? |
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| 06:09.58 | dmannn | come one guys give me something :D |
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| 06:11.22 | coderfrog | Well there's ~/.xinitrc that's run when x starts: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xinitrc |
| 06:11.42 | coderfrog | Perhaps you could put the line of code/program you want to run in that, and start that when X starts? |
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| 06:12.45 | dmannn | okay i will give it a try, sounds good, thanks man |
| 06:12.51 | coderfrog | Never had to do it, but that's where I'd start. |
| 06:12.54 | coderfrog | Best of luck! |
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| 07:06.00 | Arafangion | Debian 7.0 Live didn't work on my comptuer, why might that be the case? 7.0 is too old? |
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| 07:34.01 | php-noob | Hi. I have a bien problem with my LXDE desktop. Im not sure, but i think is SSL mismatch. I have message "OpenSSL version mismatch. Build againts 100005f, you have 1000105f" |
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| 07:34.10 | php-noob | Dont know how to get it from back state |
| 07:35.54 | moof2 | are you installing packages from different dists? |
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| 07:36.14 | php-noob | i think no. I only have debian into list |
| 07:36.41 | mumpitzel | paste the output of apt-cache policy into a pastebin |
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| 07:36.56 | mumpitzel | and you need to find out which program/process is actually showing the message |
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| 07:38.09 | moof2 | maybe it's the openssl command? |
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| 07:38.59 | php-noob | dont know how copy apt-cache, is so noob |
| 07:39.15 | moof2 | np, try this: |
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| 07:39.29 | moof2 | apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 07:39.38 | php-noob | moof2: when using slim, the say "failed to execute login command". but when use tightvncserver i can see lsxe |
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| 07:40.19 | moof2 | this will likely install a bunch of perl modules, this is harmless and has low impact since the perl modules are each tiny |
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| 07:40.55 | php-noob | im running it, is a vry vry tiny machine with a custom custom debian |
| 07:41.26 | moof2 | double custom! |
| 07:41.29 | php-noob | reading package 36% haha :) |
| 07:41.38 | mumpitzel | custom in what way? |
| 07:41.42 | php-noob | yes, is debian wheezy for a wm8505 |
| 07:41.53 | php-noob | an ARM smartbook |
| 07:42.05 | mumpitzel | the debian, not the hardware |
| 07:42.52 | php-noob | i think is not a usual debian package, because is expressed for that machine |
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| 07:43.15 | php-noob | debian is 7 wheezy |
| 07:43.33 | php-noob | i cant tell you kernel if needed |
| 07:44.04 | moof2 | did that perl thing install? |
| 07:44.11 | php-noob | reading package 98% |
| 07:44.22 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 07:44.49 | php-noob | 300Mhz arm5, 128mb ram :( hahahahaha |
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| 07:46.49 | moof2 | anyway I'll explain what I asked you to install... |
| 07:47.03 | php-noob | ok |
| 07:47.43 | moof2 | it's kinda a replacement for cutting and pasting |
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| 07:48.40 | moof2 | you notice how some commands put out text? |
| 07:49.23 | php-noob | i know there's a webpage to paste with curl |
| 07:50.22 | moof2 | this will give you another way to do that same thing... if you have the output of a command, you can | (pipe) it to this tool and it will pastebin it for you |
| 07:50.25 | php-noob | wich commands? |
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| 07:50.40 | php-noob | like grep usage? |
| 07:50.40 | moof2 | like apt-cache policy |
| 07:50.44 | moof2 | sure |
| 07:50.46 | moof2 | that too |
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| 07:51.34 | php-noob | whats the command then? | "x" |
| 07:51.49 | moof2 | nopaste |
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| 07:52.09 | php-noob | apt-cache policy | nopaste ?? |
| 07:52.15 | moof2 | exactly |
| 07:52.30 | moof2 | or, |
| 07:52.32 | php-noob | where is the output? |
| 07:52.36 | php-noob | screen?= |
| 07:52.43 | moof2 | it gets swallowed by nopaste |
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| 07:53.11 | moof2 | nopaste, will then contact a pastebin |
| 07:53.20 | moof2 | paste your output |
| 07:53.27 | moof2 | then it will show you a url |
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| 07:53.55 | moof2 | which you would then show to whoever wanted you to show them something |
| 07:54.43 | moof2 | mumpitzel for example wants to see your apt-cache policy output |
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| 07:55.18 | php-noob | wow, is a package for direct paste to pastebin? :) good |
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| 07:55.28 | php-noob | better than the curl i say :) |
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| 07:55.45 | moof2 | might even use curl |
| 07:55.47 | php-noob | is being installed... extracting packages... |
| 07:56.01 | php-noob | yeah, but dont require the long cmd |
| 07:56.06 | php-noob | is into a function :) |
| 07:56.12 | moof2 | right |
| 07:56.34 | moof2 | also I've never seen nopaste use pastebin.com |
| 07:56.39 | moof2 | -WHEW- |
| 07:57.00 | php-noob | but, for use with pastebin wich is the command? |
| 07:57.24 | moof2 | yeah, it has a list of pastebin sites built in |
| 07:57.36 | php-noob | apt-cache policy | pastebin.com ?? |
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| 07:57.56 | moof2 | no :) please forget pastebin.com :) |
| 07:58.18 | moof2 | you'd be doing the open source world a huge favor :) |
| 07:58.42 | moof2 | so, nopaste is a command you pipe stuff into |
| 07:58.47 | php-noob | ¬¬ you was first to mention it. Im a noob, all is confuse to me... |
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| 07:59.44 | moof2 | oh, ok, some subtext then: many people think pastebin.com (a web site for pastebinning) doesn't behave right, it does a few annoying things |
| 08:00.05 | php-noob | damn... is 47% from so minutes ago ... |
| 08:00.10 | moof2 | didn't mean to confuse you |
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| 08:00.32 | php-noob | where supose i will past it with the package ims installing? |
| 08:00.50 | php-noob | wiii 85% :( |
| 08:00.56 | moof2 | sometimes nopaste will use paste.debian.net |
| 08:01.09 | moof2 | sometimes it will use gist.github.com |
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| 08:01.20 | php-noob | sometimes? will they output the url used, right? |
| 08:01.28 | moof2 | yes |
| 08:01.35 | moof2 | then you would show us that url |
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| 08:01.51 | php-noob | ok, now understanding, theres some paste services in it |
| 08:02.05 | moof2 | yes |
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| 08:02.43 | moof2 | it's good to understand! |
| 08:03.02 | php-noob | a question: if i dont have ~/.xinitrc file.... what i have? :S |
| 08:03.20 | php-noob | same goes for ~/.xsession |
| 08:03.27 | moof2 | maybe you have ~/.xsession? |
| 08:03.32 | moof2 | ok neither? |
| 08:03.41 | php-noob | neither |
| 08:03.43 | moof2 | then starting X will use a default |
| 08:03.48 | php-noob | from bin? |
| 08:04.12 | moof2 | there is a file /etc/X11/XSession |
| 08:04.31 | php-noob | yes, sure, i will check now again, but i remember it |
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| 08:04.33 | moof2 | and this file looks to see if you have .xinit or .xsession |
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| 08:05.31 | moof2 | if you don't have it, it assumes it should control how X starts and what clients to start |
| 08:05.59 | php-noob | like the default values |
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| 08:06.19 | moof2 | exactly |
| 08:06.52 | moof2 | so .xsession is for when you want to customize the default setting (or replace it) |
| 08:07.04 | php-noob | into the home, but none here |
| 08:07.26 | php-noob | i see Xsession file into /etc/X11 |
| 08:07.33 | moof2 | one hint on writing a .xsession.... |
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| 08:08.23 | moof2 | you would start as many things as you want, each (except the last) should run in background (put & at end of each except the last one) |
| 08:08.29 | php-noob | my Xsession is not hidden |
| 08:08.59 | moof2 | the last thing you start is used to tell Xsession "user is done and wants to close the session" |
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| 08:09.55 | moof2 | instead of putting it in the background (with &), you would use exec to run it |
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| 08:10.26 | php-noob | then, if i create a new .xsession into my home folder, will startlxde read it?? |
| 08:10.39 | moof2 | when this last one dies, the system will act as if you're logging out |
| 08:10.43 | moof2 | err :) |
| 08:10.59 | moof2 | I'm not sure what startlxde reads... |
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| 08:11.07 | php-noob | i use in ~/.vnc/xsession that extra code: lxterminal & /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE & |
| 08:11.18 | php-noob | using it i can see lxde destop |
| 08:11.42 | php-noob | but login manager doesnt work, and running startlxde from tty doesnt make start it |
| 08:11.49 | moof2 | doesn't work? |
| 08:11.53 | php-noob | dont :( |
| 08:12.01 | php-noob | u try slim and lightdm |
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| 08:13.05 | php-noob | if you want, i can provide you vnc access to check system by yourself :S |
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| 08:13.33 | php-noob | i have 2 sdcard copies into .img files.One working, and one that doensnt work |
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| 08:13.50 | php-noob | now im using that doesnt work triying to fix it :) |
| 08:13.51 | ledestin | I've removed Lucida Console from /usr/local/share/fonts, but I still have it in X |
| 08:13.59 | ledestin | where does it get it? |
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| 08:15.05 | php-noob | ledestin: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ maybe? |
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| 08:15.34 | php-noob | moof2: still installing... omg |
| 08:15.41 | ledestin | php-noob: no such thing |
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| 08:16.55 | php-noob | ledestin: /etc/X11/fs/config ? |
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| 08:18.21 | php-noob | ledestin: if not, try http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/fonts/X-Window-System-fonts.html, into section "How X11 fonts are found". |
| 08:18.22 | ledestin | php-noob: I don't use xfs |
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| 08:18.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps my htop looks funky i only see one cpu.. |
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| 08:18.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i figure out if all my cores are working? |
| 08:19.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | shit.. |
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| 08:20.26 | moof2 | look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:20.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | it says one core i should have 4 |
| 08:20.51 | moof2 | kernel issue maybe? |
| 08:20.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | reboot ? |
| 08:20.59 | moof2 | well |
| 08:21.06 | moof2 | before you do, |
| 08:21.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 08:21.14 | moof2 | uname -r |
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| 08:21.21 | php-noob | Eryn_1983_FL: mpstat -P ALL 1 |
| 08:21.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:21.31 | somethinginteres | getting a forbidden error on wiki.debian.org |
| 08:21.45 | moof2 | ok, so you're running the squeeze kernel |
| 08:21.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | only one. cpu |
| 08:22.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup |
| 08:22.08 | moof2 | it should see your cores tho |
| 08:22.09 | php-noob | core is identified as cpu into logical usage, try it |
| 08:22.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | 04:22:23 AM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %idle |
| 08:22.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | 04:22:24 AM all 7.07 0.00 6.06 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.04 82.83 |
| 08:22.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | 04:22:24 AM 0 7.07 0.00 6.06 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.04 82.83 |
| 08:22.47 | moof2 | php-noob, what was the last thing you saw from me? |
| 08:23.07 | php-noob | i saw the perl nopaste package is not installed yet... |
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| 08:23.13 | php-noob | maybe is taking some coffe |
| 08:23.32 | php-noob | but is running |
| 08:23.41 | moof2 | damn :) well your intel boxes will be faster :) |
| 08:23.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright going to reboot then damn |
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| 08:23.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | bbl |
| 08:24.02 | php-noob | Eryn_1983_FL: wich processor do you have |
| 08:24.04 | moof2 | wait |
| 08:24.11 | moof2 | don't bbl yet! |
| 08:24.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | amd phenom |
| 08:24.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tell you when i come back :) |
| 08:24.26 | moof2 | if you're running squeeze, |
| 08:24.33 | moof2 | you should try the backport kernel |
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| 08:25.33 | php-noob | run ps command |
| 08:25.38 | moof2 | php-noob, ok, I think the login manager not working, that's about what I was just now explaiing |
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| 08:25.56 | php-noob | did they will output PSR from cores |
| 08:26.18 | moof2 | if you & the last thing you start in .xsession (example: /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE) |
| 08:26.36 | moof2 | it will immediately die |
| 08:26.47 | moof2 | because the .xsession will get to the end, background the lxsession, and then exit itself |
| 08:26.57 | php-noob | moof2: login manager was working ok. After i install x11vnc the crashed. I think is because the OpenSSL was updated |
| 08:27.10 | moof2 | so its pid is seen by the system, to die |
| 08:27.33 | moof2 | so the system assumes you logged out |
| 08:27.35 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.12 | ledestin | php-noob: can't it be some sort of cache? |
| 08:28.19 | php-noob | dont know :( |
| 08:28.21 | moof2 | I've never played with vnc before... |
| 08:28.28 | php-noob | but at time, no ssh is working |
| 08:28.32 | moof2 | but we can fix your .xsession |
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| 08:28.52 | php-noob | i think is 100% openssl, but someone tell me that xorg doesnt not use openssl at all... confused again :( |
| 08:29.10 | php-noob | moof2: but we can fix your .xsession . im interested on that |
| 08:29.20 | php-noob | fix the actual problem |
| 08:29.36 | moof2 | didn't you say you do something in .xsession like: terminal & lxsession & |
| 08:29.38 | moof2 | ? |
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| 08:30.51 | php-noob | i say that |
| 08:30.52 | php-noob | http://www.vandorp.biz/2012/01/installing-a-lightweight-lxdevnc-desktop-environment-on-your-ubuntudebian-vps/ |
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| 08:31.10 | php-noob | i can use now lxde but only if start tightvncserver with that config :) |
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| 08:31.30 | php-noob | no ssh, no local lxde on pc screen |
| 08:31.51 | moof2 | when the system decides to run your .xsession, it saves its pid |
| 08:31.55 | php-noob | lxde is started into loca pc, but doesnt login |
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| 08:32.18 | moof2 | then it watches that pid until it goes away |
| 08:32.28 | moof2 | when it goes away, it's like you logged out |
| 08:32.29 | php-noob | can i delete it? |
| 08:32.36 | php-noob | are you suggesting that? |
| 08:33.01 | moof2 | no, I'm suggesting how to do the .xsession so it works properly |
| 08:33.11 | php-noob | aha |
| 08:33.16 | moof2 | we should make it so that pid stays active |
| 08:33.19 | php-noob | i will create it now if you guide me :) |
| 08:33.26 | somethinginteres | any easy way to uninstall all packages from a particular source in sources.list? |
| 08:34.02 | moof2 | ok, you want to run lxsession after starting a terminal? |
| 08:34.56 | php-noob | yes, normally it runs by default, but i can save ram if dont need it everytime. Start it manually or when i log is good idea |
| 08:35.08 | moof2 | the way you would do that, is start the terminal in the background, and then exec lxsession |
| 08:35.25 | moof2 | it's that pid that got saved that's really important |
| 08:35.44 | moof2 | whatever you exec in the .xsession, "inherits" that pid |
| 08:36.12 | moof2 | then, when the inherited process with that pid dies, session over |
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| 08:36.43 | php-noob | yes, if i quit the terminal that runs something, it die, even if is session |
| 08:36.47 | php-noob | undertanding :) |
| 08:37.00 | php-noob | how i do that? |
| 08:37.22 | moof2 | let's make it so the lxsession controls the session (so when it dies, the session dies) |
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| 08:37.38 | php-noob | do i need any login manager to that? can i uninstall it? |
| 08:37.40 | moof2 | how do you want to start lxsession? |
| 08:37.56 | moof2 | one thing at a time :) |
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| 08:38.10 | php-noob | dont know how i start lxsession... |
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| 08:38.13 | php-noob | i use vnc for that |
| 08:38.13 | moof2 | because I don't know the answer right now |
| 08:38.25 | moof2 | ok, let me see... |
| 08:38.26 | php-noob | into the pc, theres a login screen |
| 08:38.57 | php-noob | bu i think lxsession is not started yet, because cannot login with login manager |
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| 08:40.15 | php-noob | because i dont see wich file starts the session when my lxde was working, i cant tell you :S. never see xsession or xinitrc files |
| 08:40.48 | moof2 | remember when you said this... |
| 08:40.50 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.58 | php-noob | yes, cames from http://www.vandorp.biz/2012/01/installing-a-lightweight-lxdevnc-desktop-environment-on-your-ubuntudebian-vps/ |
| 08:41.22 | moof2 | ok... howbout we try to start lxde like that from your .xsession? |
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| 08:41.49 | php-noob | guat? XD |
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| 08:42.10 | moof2 | try this: |
| 08:42.39 | php-noob | hey, the package install is finished :) |
| 08:43.01 | moof2 | echo "exec /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE " > ~/.xsession |
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| 08:44.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got it working reboot fixed the cpu issue |
| 08:44.34 | php-noob | > ~/.xsession. this will write out the file? |
| 08:44.36 | php-noob | :) |
| 08:44.41 | moof2 | yes |
| 08:44.45 | php-noob | i think is >> double |
| 08:44.50 | php-noob | dont know where i see double :S |
| 08:44.56 | moof2 | that means "append" |
| 08:45.18 | moof2 | oh, do you have an .xsession already? |
| 08:45.45 | php-noob | dont |
| 08:45.46 | php-noob | np |
| 08:46.40 | moof2 | ok, so, a > b means: run the command a, and put anything a says into file b (and erase b first) |
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| 08:47.27 | moof2 | a >> b means: run command a, assume b exists already, put anythign a says at the end of b |
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| 08:48.13 | php-noob | amhs, ok. thx :) |
| 08:48.21 | babilen | moof2: Please make sure that people have libpam-ck-connector so that tools such as NM work as desired when starting a DE in this way. |
| 08:48.29 | babilen | php-noob: ^^ |
| 08:48.56 | moof2 | nm? you mean the thing in binutils? |
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| 08:49.51 | moof2 | babilen, could you say more about what's missing without that package, and what it connects? |
| 08:49.55 | php-noob | moof2: echo "exec /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE " > ~/.xsession - that only writes the xsession file with "quoted" |
| 08:50.09 | php-noob | i can write it with leafpad :). now i have that file |
| 08:50.30 | php-noob | next? |
| 08:50.43 | moof2 | yes you can |
| 08:50.53 | moof2 | we have to see what babilen means |
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| 08:51.07 | moof2 | babilen says we need that package |
| 08:51.34 | php-noob | what is NM package |
| 08:51.54 | php-noob | mi sessions runs after i broke it installing x11vnc... |
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| 08:51.59 | moof2 | so... let's just install it (hold on to your hats... another turtle ride) |
| 08:52.04 | php-noob | dont think i need more things to get it back |
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| 08:53.23 | moof2 | once we see what is meant by that... you can decide if you want to do this: apt-get install libpam-ck-connector |
| 08:53.56 | php-noob | im on it |
| 08:54.15 | moof2 | anyway you can make .xsession executible: chmod +x ~/.xsession |
| 08:54.19 | php-noob | is aptitude commands faster? |
| 08:54.23 | moof2 | then you should be all set |
| 08:54.59 | moof2 | people have been worried that aptitude sometimes doesn't work properly because it's too good and tries too hard |
| 08:55.17 | php-noob | i do chmod |
| 08:55.36 | moof2 | ok, so exit back into your login mgr and try logging in |
| 08:55.46 | php-noob | i named it .Xsession. I good anyway? |
| 08:55.56 | php-noob | with .hidden and X capital |
| 08:56.01 | moof2 | no, the name has to be .xsession |
| 08:56.13 | moof2 | I don't think it will see the file otherwise |
| 08:56.22 | php-noob | mi etc/X11/Xsession file is name with capital |
| 08:56.35 | moof2 | very true |
| 08:56.41 | php-noob | ok |
| 08:56.59 | moof2 | if you look thru that file, you probably will see where it tries to call .xsession |
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| 08:57.30 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.38 | moof2 | it's a little convoluted... it has to take some other stuff into account |
| 08:57.54 | php-noob | in windows screen always have a window ¬¬ |
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| 08:57.59 | php-noob | "cry" |
| 08:59.20 | php-noob | libpam-ck-connector installed |
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| 08:59.46 | php-noob | next step? |
| 08:59.50 | moof2 | this time when you log in from the login box, it shoudl work, whereas before, it logged in for a fraction of a second and thought the user said "logout" instantly |
| 09:00.07 | php-noob | no need to restart som init.d ?? |
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| 09:00.19 | moof2 | you can if you want to |
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| 09:00.29 | moof2 | did you stop something, then use startx? |
| 09:00.46 | php-noob | stop what? |
| 09:01.11 | moof2 | dunno :) did you do /etc/init.d/something stop? |
| 09:01.26 | php-noob | dont |
| 09:01.30 | php-noob | im asking about |
| 09:02.04 | moof2 | the thing is if you did not stop (say) xdm, it will still be running |
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| 09:03.00 | php-noob | i didnt stop nothing |
| 09:03.15 | moof2 | if that's the case, you shouldn't need to stop or start anything |
| 09:04.05 | php-noob | im triying to login from the login screen |
| 09:04.11 | moof2 | cool |
| 09:04.19 | moof2 | here cross fingers |
| 09:04.34 | php-noob | the login screen was here from the system start... |
| 09:04.48 | php-noob | doesnt ligin |
| 09:04.49 | moof2 | great |
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| 09:04.58 | php-noob | login screen again |
| 09:05.15 | moof2 | so it immediately goes to the login screen |
| 09:05.16 | moof2 | ? |
| 09:05.34 | php-noob | "inmediately" not hehehe, but yes |
| 09:05.41 | php-noob | he comes back to login |
| 09:06.08 | moof2 | ok, do this: |
| 09:06.24 | moof2 | mkdir ~/session-files |
| 09:06.57 | moof2 | mv ~/.xsession ~/session-files/my-xsession |
| 09:07.11 | moof2 | then try login screen again |
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| 09:09.19 | php-noob | now im sure openssl is the problem |
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| 09:09.26 | php-noob | i see xsession-errors |
| 09:09.34 | php-noob | and the same message is here :( |
| 09:09.35 | moof2 | oh yeah |
| 09:09.58 | moof2 | ok, so now it's time to answer mumpitzel |
| 09:10.04 | moof2 | his question |
| 09:10.20 | php-noob | dont know what is mumpitzel |
| 09:10.41 | moof2 | apt-cache policy | nopaste |
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| 09:11.16 | php-noob | but xsession is started as i see |
| 09:11.59 | moof2 | mumpitzel is a person on this channel that asked you a question earlier which you finally were able to answer :) |
| 09:12.41 | php-noob | aha, i see it now |
| 09:12.59 | moof2 | I guess somehow you got a libssl that doesn't match the openssl command |
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| 09:13.39 | php-noob | OpenSSL version mismatch. Build againts 100005f, you have 1000105f - message is clear |
| 09:13.45 | php-noob | they was updated, right? |
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| 09:14.01 | moof2 | maybe... |
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| 09:14.14 | php-noob | nopaste command is still running... |
| 09:14.24 | moof2 | could you do cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
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| 09:14.30 | moof2 | after you're done with that one |
| 09:14.50 | moof2 | looks like nopaste is gonna be slow every time |
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| 09:14.56 | mumpitzel | moof2: unfortunately not, cause there also is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which is why apt-cache policy is needed |
| 09:15.08 | php-noob | my system is overload 100% full time :) |
| 09:15.30 | moof2 | php-noob, see? there he is |
| 09:15.50 | mumpitzel | there is a reason why pastebinit is suggested here in channel IIRC and not nopaste |
| 09:15.59 | php-noob | aha |
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| 09:16.19 | php-noob | im still waiting the execution end |
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| 09:16.42 | php-noob | theres no other log file ?? or something? |
| 09:17.08 | moof2 | actually apt and dpkg do have log files |
| 09:17.21 | moof2 | if you mean the logs of when packages are installed |
| 09:17.40 | php-noob | i say as alternative of "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:17.50 | php-noob | im not sure that "they is running" |
| 09:18.25 | moof2 | you could put up another terminal (at the risk of doubly overloading your system :) |
| 09:18.42 | php-noob | and re-try? |
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| 09:18.50 | php-noob | i have 2 terminals running |
| 09:19.01 | php-noob | one is not enough :) |
| 09:19.25 | moof2 | ok, try apt-cache policy in the one that's not doing anything |
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| 09:20.32 | php-noob | now is freeze :) hjahha |
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| 09:22.16 | moof2 | yeah, it's gonna take a little while... |
| 09:22.54 | php-noob | maybe... and more if its that... |
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| 09:23.30 | moof2 | you could kill off the one on the idle terminal |
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| 09:23.46 | moof2 | you need all the cpu you can get :) |
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| 09:24.44 | php-noob | ok, now im on tty0 pc, not vnc |
| 09:24.47 | php-noob | more ram, more cpu |
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| 09:30.02 | php-noob | moof2: there's anyway to put back the old openssl version =? |
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| 09:32.55 | php-noob | moof2: http://pastie.org/8137081 |
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| 09:35.59 | php-noob | moof2: i think the pasted file is trunked :S |
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| 09:50.27 | babilen | moof2: Sorry, I should have explained :) |
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| 09:51.53 | babilen | moof2: The reason that package is needed is that consolekit has to be initialised for tools such as NM to work. This was previously done by running something like "exec ck-launch-session FOO" in ~/.xsession-errors but that is/was buggy |
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| 09:53.19 | babilen | moof2: libpam-ck-adaptor initialises a suitable consolekit session via PAM (the general login mechanism) -- In short: When you don't use a modern display manager (gdm3, lightdm, kdm) but start Xorg/your desktop environment via "startx" from the console you want to make sure that CK has been initialised. |
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| 09:53.53 | moof2 | oh ok, which is console-kit |
| 09:54.32 | moof2 | and nm is network-manager, not nm from binutils? |
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| 09:57.38 | moof2 | and this is all only for the case where an *dm is not in use, and startx or xinit is? |
| 09:59.05 | moof2 | php-noob, I think that might mean there are no pinned packages |
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| 10:01.21 | php-noob | next step? |
| 10:01.31 | Joschii | Hosianna! |
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| 10:02.30 | jubei | guys is there some script that can select the best mirrors based on my location? |
| 10:02.48 | jubei | because I did apt-get update and it seems some of my mirrors cannot be reached |
| 10:03.10 | mumpitzel | !tell jubei about wheezy sources.list |
| 10:03.18 | mumpitzel | then the nearest mirror will be chosen automatically |
| 10:03.30 | jubei | eer... i Uhm.. |
| 10:03.37 | jubei | I didn't see the output of your command |
| 10:03.41 | jubei | i.e. nothing came up |
| 10:03.54 | mumpitzel | you did. in a different windows dpkg sent you a message |
| 10:03.57 | jubei | aaah! :) |
| 10:03.59 | jubei | thank you |
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| 10:05.23 | php-noob | moof2: there's a next step?? |
| 10:06.30 | php-noob | moof2: can i prevent openssl to being updated (forever?) ? |
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| 10:07.27 | mumpitzel | it's not a good idea: openssl commonly needs security fixes |
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| 10:10.09 | php-noob | mumpitzel: i got problems with some some packages from openssl... im searching the fastest way, maybe not the truly correct |
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| 10:10.50 | php-noob | mumpitzel: because openssl, i havent ssh access, cannot run mysql, cannot use "desktop (wtf?)" ... its so weird |
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| 10:15.31 | jubei | mumpitzel, that worked well, thank you |
| 10:16.07 | babilen | moof2: exactly |
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| 11:03.27 | WilliamDotAL | whats the best filesystem/setup for a large storage array? i have 2 boot SSDs in RAID1 and 12x 2TB HDDs, looking to use a RAID5/6 or alike (so parity) |
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| 11:03.41 | WilliamDotAL | ZFS? or just software raid? |
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| 11:07.16 | php-noob | mumpitzel: moof2: Sugestions?? Cant i prevent openssl from being upgraded when install other packages?? Can i downgrade current? I try apt-get install openssl=1.0.0f but no luck (maybe need another repository list) |
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| 11:07.22 | php-noob | mumpitzel: moof2: Help :( |
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| 11:17.05 | roger21 | ssh is a bit slow to onnect, isn't there a conf to disable about dns or something similar to connect faster ? |
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| 11:17.23 | rudi_s | roger21: Fix your DNS. |
| 11:17.27 | rudi_s | *if it's the issue. |
| 11:17.31 | WormFood | why in the hell does debian want to install X11, just to get nmap, which is a network scanning tool....it does nothing graphical....what possible reason would there be to require x11 to run nmap? |
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| 11:18.15 | rudi_s | WormFood: Are you sure it requires it? Maybe it's a recommends on some package. |
| 11:18.18 | WormFood | roger21, I find the -v option with ssh tha will show you exactly what it is doing. It may not be dns (but I suspect you're right)....but additional delays may be with the ssh handshaking |
| 11:18.23 | roger21 | WormFood, check if it isn't just a recommends or a recommends recommends |
| 11:18.27 | WormFood | I saw no recommends |
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| 11:18.54 | rudi_s | WormFood: Not on nmap directly, but maybe somewhere else. |
| 11:19.03 | WormFood | what is the aptitude command to show me what it depends on? I thought it was "show" |
| 11:19.28 | roger21 | apt-cache show do it |
| 11:19.30 | WormFood | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), liblinear1 (>= 1.6), liblua5.1-0, libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.8), libpcre3 (>= 8.10), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), python |
| 11:19.40 | rudi_s | WormFood: The dependencies also have recommends. |
| 11:20.00 | rudi_s | But I doubt nmap requires X11. |
| 11:20.04 | WormFood | right, I'm aware |
| 11:20.08 | WormFood | try to install it on wheezy |
| 11:20.27 | rudi_s | WormFood: Disable recommends. |
| 11:20.30 | rudi_s | And it should work. |
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| 11:21.35 | roger21 | you can also do a deptree nmap | grep X11 it could lead to where X11 comme from |
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| 11:31.35 | WormFood | sorry for the slow response. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check out deptree |
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| 11:39.54 | mumpitzel | php-noob: what packages are you upgrading that will change your openssl? |
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| 11:43.21 | jubo2 | can I has GNU/IceCat on Debian6 ? |
| 11:43.37 | jubo2 | the IceWeasel isn't performing on the level of the par |
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| 11:44.49 | jubo2 | Diaspora* has great potential |
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| 11:45.57 | jubo2 | it's a distributed and decentralized free, libre and gratuit software and social network |
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| 11:49.47 | php-noob | mumpitzel: x11vnc server was. Now im performing apt-get upgrade in order to check... still running |
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| 11:50.23 | php-noob | login either ssh was working before installing x11vnc, wich install new openssl from deps (i think) |
| 11:51.03 | php-noob | mumpitzel: i think that so many packages will try upgrade from others :S |
| 11:51.43 | php-noob | mumpitzel: maybe after upgrade all packages versions works together |
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| 11:57.50 | saintcajetan | jubo2, are you familiar on how to install diaspora? |
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| 11:58.09 | saintcajetan | I would be interested sometime in the future if you can maybe help me a little :P |
| 11:58.39 | jubo2 | saintcajetan: sure thing. I installed on fresh Debian7 installation.. |
| 11:59.18 | saintcajetan | I use PC BSD (freebsd with a nice GUI), I tried installing Diaspora on my SUSE Linux install a while ago. |
| 11:59.21 | saintcajetan | Never got it going |
| 11:59.51 | jubo2 | The only thing that needed more h4xing then the tiny problems you get from following a Debian6 based documentation was that with some things in hypervisors the nginx conf I needed to figure out syntax that doesn't lead to errors |
| 11:59.57 | saintcajetan | have you heard of pretty successful installs in the BSD's? |
| 12:00.27 | jubo2 | other then those it was as breezy as you'd expect from a modern rails based software |
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| 12:00.53 | jubo2 | saintcajetan: dunno about *BSD installs |
| 12:01.05 | jubo2 | but with Debian7 it is no big prob |
| 12:01.18 | jubo2 | or at least it was for me |
| 12:01.30 | saintcajetan | can i install it on a virtual machine? |
| 12:01.35 | saintcajetan | Or would that defeat the purpose? |
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| 12:01.56 | saintcajetan | maybe a good practice install might help me figure it out. |
| 12:01.57 | saintcajetan | :) |
| 12:02.18 | jubo2 | I had brand new OS, then I took a snapshot. Installed the deps in 56 minutes, Took a snapshot. Installed the code and the nginx, did proper things with the certificates and the keys |
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| 12:02.51 | jubo2 | once you see 'Rack::SSL loaded' you know you are in the win re having bi-directional 443 traffic |
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| 12:05.07 | jubo2 | saintcajetan: I can help.. you can find me on irc most of the time |
| 12:06.03 | jubo2 | otoh I know only how to do it with Debian |
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| 12:07.32 | jubo2 | the first things on server I did was to install sshd, ssh in, put firewall up and download the full 2GB of backups from old online backup holding server with 100Mbit/s speed from Finland to Netherland |
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| 12:08.49 | jubo2 | then I considered I had made error of not installing and configuring tripwire in a brainsane |
| 12:09.50 | saintcajetan | jubo2, good thing is it can run on debian, it will with a 90%+ chance run on FreeBSD since it has a linux binary emulation compatibility layer :) |
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| 12:10.17 | saintcajetan | does it use many i386 libraries? |
| 12:11.35 | jubo2 | saintcajetan: I dunno.. I run it in a cloud on KVM hypervisor and thus virtualization |
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| 12:13.28 | jubo2 | saintcajetan: what does BSD use for aptitude ( package management software ) ? |
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| 12:18.47 | daemonkeeper | jubo2: "make install" :p |
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| 12:21.04 | jubo2 | daemonkeeper: compiling |
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| 12:21.23 | jubo2 | I use mostly pre-compiled binaries |
| 12:21.41 | jubo2 | some stuff like the rails environment for D* was compiled |
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| 12:21.54 | jubo2 | took some time even with 4GB RAM and 2 Xeon cores |
| 12:22.00 | saintcajetan | jubo2, we use a different system of ports and packages, but more recently they have something really neat its called the appcafe. Pretty much one click install with 99% of the time working. |
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| 12:30.48 | jqvillanova | Hi folks , how to make 700 MB exactly iso's from a directory with several files, it is possible with makeisofs?? |
| 12:30.51 | jqvillanova | I've been thinking about it but haven't found any way |
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| 12:31.04 | qiyong | hi, how do i find i386 pkgs i've installed, the system is amd64. |
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| 12:36.25 | porto | hello, anyone can help i've sound in speakers of my laptop but in headphones not |
| 12:37.02 | jubo2 | porto: the 3.5mm plug is exactly the same |
| 12:37.10 | porto | yap |
| 12:37.13 | porto | i have that before |
| 12:37.17 | jubo2 | your headphones... do they work when connected to another device |
| 12:37.39 | porto | dono why my gnome crash and when i boot the headphones have no sound |
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| 12:39.03 | porto | yes jubo2 my headphones work in other devices |
| 12:39.14 | somethinginteres | Trying to upgrade from debian stable to debian testing. Synaptic wants to install heaps of packages e.g. gnome, when I am running xfce. It also wants to remove heaps of programs I am using including audacity. |
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| 12:39.49 | abrotman | somethinginteres: i'd probably say to not use synaptic to do that |
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| 12:40.13 | jubo2 | porto: your port is busted |
| 12:40.25 | porto | hum |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | not likely |
| 12:40.30 | somethinginteres | abrotman: roger that. just an apt-get upgrade? dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:40.47 | abrotman | somethinginteres: probably a dist-upgrade .. don't you think? |
| 12:41.04 | saintcajetan | porto, once you go KDE you don't go back :P |
| 12:41.12 | porto | :( |
| 12:41.16 | porto | i use gdm3 |
| 12:41.18 | somethinginteres | abrotman: I'd assume as much but don't want to make too many assumptions. :) |
| 12:41.27 | saintcajetan | porto, what distro you using? |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | somethinginteres: you're using testing, you should nkow how this works |
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| 12:42.31 | somethinginteres | abrotman: I've done this all before no issues. It's been awhile. |
| 12:42.49 | somethinginteres | abrotman: not clueless, just careful. |
| 12:43.00 | abrotman | somethinginteres: yeah, i can't imagine synaptic is the optimal tool to do this sort of thing |
| 12:43.30 | qiyong | hi, how do i find i386 pkgs i've installed, the system is amd64. |
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| 12:44.12 | porto | saintcajetan i'm using debian 7 |
| 12:44.17 | porto | last version |
| 12:44.25 | jubo2 | Debian7 FGJ |
| 12:44.29 | saintcajetan | qiyong, what distro you using? Easiest way regardless of distro is through commandline. |
| 12:44.31 | abrotman | qiyong: i'll guess dpkg -l | grep "i386" ? |
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| 12:45.17 | saintcajetan | qiyong, you might want to try your gnome or kde file searcher also |
| 12:45.21 | fayesafe | hello there. |
| 12:45.44 | qiyong | abrotman: i don't have any i386 pkgs, why apt-get update still tries i386 pkgs? |
| 12:46.08 | abrotman | qiyong: pastebin please |
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| 12:46.57 | qiyong | abrotman: can /msg ? |
| 12:47.24 | babilen | qiyong: You can just paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:47.44 | qiyong | babilen: how long time it exists? |
| 12:48.20 | qiyong | W: Failed to fetch http://mirror/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/multiverse/bi nary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 12:48.27 | fayesafe | hey there, i never used debian before and i want to try it now, but because of the fact that i am a complete newbie i have some questions about the installation and stuff. is that the right channel to ask these questions, or is there maybe someone that is willing to help me ? |
| 12:48.27 | jubo2 | qiyong: you can set it to destroy if it's normal pastebin |
| 12:48.46 | babilen | qiyong: The service has been active for quite some time -- If you ask how long your pasted information will be available: That depends on what you choose and you can pick something from an hour to forever and even mark the paste as "hidden" -- Take a look at the website it should be evident. |
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| 12:49.06 | jubo2 | fayesafe: shoot away.. are you installing on HW or virtual machine ? |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | qiyong: wrong channel, we don't support Ubuntu |
| 12:49.20 | abrotman | fayesafe: yes, please ask here |
| 12:49.24 | babilen | dpkg: ubuntuirc qiyong |
| 12:49.24 | dpkg | qiyong: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 12:49.36 | fayesafe | its on hw |
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| 12:50.20 | jubo2 | fayesafe: and you have a fresh installation media ? |
| 12:50.32 | fayesafe | i want to download the iso with ftp, but i dont know if i need all those files or just some of them, its so confusing :( |
| 12:50.43 | fayesafe | yes it is |
| 12:50.45 | jubo2 | fayesafe: you need image |
| 12:50.46 | babilen | fayesafe: Do you have a working internet connection? |
| 12:51.01 | jubo2 | .iso image |
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| 12:51.47 | jubo2 | then I don't recall the exact commands but something like 'dd file.iso /dev/USB0; sync' and it's written to the USB key |
| 12:51.55 | abrotman | looks at jubo2 |
| 12:52.05 | fayesafe | and i need dvd 1-3 ? |
| 12:52.11 | babilen | jubo2: Please don't provide half-way correct information |
| 12:52.11 | jubo2 | fayesafe: I remember it was two commands and that was all |
| 12:52.21 | jubo2 | babilen: yeah. my bad |
| 12:52.24 | babilen | fayesafe: The entirety of each CD/DVD/BD set contains *all* packages in Debian. These images are useful if you are not having a working internet connection. |
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| 12:53.30 | jubo2 | I'm not the leetest of bash4x0rx .. I know how to 'sudo aptitude install this that' but that goes a long way |
| 12:53.46 | babilen | fayesafe: All images come with the same installer (netinst, CD1, DVD1, ...) that is capable of downloading packages from the internet, so they only differ in the selection of packages they contain on the CD. In general we recommend to use the netinstall image if the user has a working internet connection. |
| 12:53.55 | abrotman | jubo2: you can just be quiet then |
| 12:54.39 | Th0masR0ss | su -c !! Is awesome |
| 12:55.01 | fayesafe | well, ok now i get it. thank you, going to try it now... sorry 4 being such a nub :D but i am not long into this open-source-world, thanks for your help |
| 12:55.17 | babilen | fayesafe: Some hardware requires firmware to work correctly and I'd therefore recommend a netinst image with firmware, but please just answer my question(s): 1. Do you have a working internet connection ? (if so: how?) 2. Do you plan to install from a CD blank or from a USB stick? 3. Which desktop environment (if any) do you want to use? |
| 12:55.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell fayesafe -about install debian |
| 12:55.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell fayesafe -about firmware image |
| 12:56.06 | fayesafe | 1. i have a working internet connection |
| 12:56.18 | fayesafe | 2. going to install from a usb stick |
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| 12:56.31 | babilen | (it's okay to answer more than one question per line) |
| 12:56.42 | fayesafe | 3. not quiet sure, maybe gnome 3 or cinnamon |
| 12:57.11 | Th0masR0ss | no Xfce is better |
| 12:57.40 | Th0masR0ss | fayesafe: what type of Internet connection? Ethernet or wifi? |
| 12:57.54 | babilen | Th0masR0ss: Please, everybody can choose which DE (s)he prefers - There really is no need to start a big "which de is best" discussion whenever somebody mentions a specific one. |
| 12:58.27 | jubo2 | observes window maker wrestle go on |
| 12:58.28 | fayesafe | it's a wifi connection |
| 12:58.53 | babilen | fayesafe: Okay, in that case you should be fine with the firmware image which will install gnome 3 by default if you install the "Desktop" task. Are you preparing your USB stick for the installation from Windows, another Linux OSX or something more arcane? |
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| 12:59.32 | fayesafe | it'll be windows |
| 12:59.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell fayesafe about usb install |
| 13:00.20 | babilen | fayesafe: The bot just sent you a factoid that contains a link to a tool that is known to work with our images. Please note that unetbootin does *not* work (if you planned to use that) |
| 13:00.57 | fayesafe | is it any different if i use amd64? okay i planned to use it |
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| 13:01.18 | babilen | fayesafe: Please note that cinnamon is *not* directly packaged in wheezy (Debian 7.0 our current stable release), but is available in a development branch called testing. |
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| 13:01.38 | babilen | fayesafe: amd64 is 64bit, I'd use that unless you explicitly want i386 |
| 13:01.52 | babilen | judd: v cinnamon |
| 13:01.53 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2 |
| 13:02.34 | fayesafe | well ok, i am going to check those links you gave me |
| 13:02.46 | babilen | fayesafe: I would also recommend to read parts of http://debian-handbook.info/ which is an excellent book on Debian |
| 13:03.01 | babilen | fayesafe: Let us know if something is unclear |
| 13:03.26 | fayesafe | ok thanks for your help! |
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| 13:03.34 | babilen | You are welcome |
| 13:03.55 | php-noob | thanks for book reference :) |
| 13:04.11 | babilen | php-noob: It really is a good read :) |
| 13:04.19 | php-noob | spanish debian :). im sure |
| 13:04.43 | babilen | can also recommend Nemeth's "Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook" but that is not specific to Debian |
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| 13:05.04 | php-noob | Really i need the debian ones... |
| 13:05.24 | php-noob | For Ubuntu or CentOS is also aplicable commong things |
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| 13:05.52 | php-noob | I have Debian into SmartBook and Debian into Server :). thx again |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | php-noob: did you have an actual question? |
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| 13:07.14 | abrotman | bah, ignore that .. i'm going back to sleep |
| 13:07.20 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 13:07.25 | dvs | rocks the bed |
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| 13:38.16 | WilliamDotAL | i have 2 SSDs |
| 13:38.23 | WilliamDotAL | but the debian 7.1 installer does not let me use them |
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| 13:38.34 | WilliamDotAL | when manual partitioning it asks me if i want to write a new table, i select yes |
| 13:38.46 | WilliamDotAL | then that a software raid exists on them, if i want to remove it - yes |
| 13:38.55 | WilliamDotAL | does not write any table then and i can't install on them |
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| 13:39.31 | WilliamDotAL | using CD1, booted from usb stick to text installer with unetbootin |
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| 13:41.11 | babilen | WilliamDotAL: unetbootin is known to break our installers, you should just throw it away |
| 13:41.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell WilliamDotAL -about usb install |
| 13:41.41 | WilliamDotAL | i have no other linux system. |
| 13:41.47 | WilliamDotAL | only Windows and Mac |
| 13:42.24 | babilen | WilliamDotAL: So? Use the tool that is linked in the factoid the bot sent you - That is why I asked the bot to send it to you in the first place :) |
| 13:42.52 | SP33D | Can some one help me i search for a solution to lower the used disk inodes so i need to put many files in one file that is mount able it is enought when it is mount able read only but read and write would be realy well |
| 13:43.18 | WilliamDotAL | babilen..? there is no tool, all i get is a german guide that explains how to copy it manually |
| 13:43.26 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 13:43.26 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 13:43.43 | WilliamDotAL | nvm |
| 13:43.46 | WilliamDotAL | should read entire line |
| 13:44.03 | babilen | WilliamDotAL: That ^^^ is the factoid the bot sent you. It mentions http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ which you should use to write the image from Windows. I have no idea what German tool you are referring to. |
| 13:44.06 | WilliamDotAL | yet still i dont get it, as it WOULD let me install on the HDDs in the system |
| 13:44.42 | babilen | WilliamDotAL: You specific problem might not have been caused by unetbootin, but it will screw up the installation anyway (boot loader installation, ...) |
| 13:44.46 | babilen | *Your |
| 13:45.02 | babilen | So, at least use a supported way to create the installers. unetbootin is not it. |
| 13:45.36 | WilliamDotAL | the SATA controller they are connected to is supported, so that should be not an issue either |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | SP33D: what? |
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| 13:48.13 | SP33D | abrotman found already a solution :D |
| 13:48.30 | SP33D | i can use dd to make a disk file and formart it with a normal file system thx for atention |
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| 13:48.33 | php-noob | abrotman: yes. but im still wating, because i do and apt-get upgrade. thans |
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| 13:48.52 | php-noob | abrotman: i will get back i that doesnt fix my problem. thanks :) |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | cries |
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| 13:52.36 | WilliamDotAL | babilen: same problem with this way. |
| 13:52.59 | WilliamDotAL | would let me install fine on the HDDs, but not on either SSD |
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| 13:54.19 | babilen | WilliamDotAL: Ånd you configured raid successfully? but I have to be afk for a little while now :-/ |
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| 13:55.08 | WilliamDotAL | no |
| 13:55.15 | WilliamDotAL | this SSDs were used in a previous server with raid |
| 13:55.17 | WilliamDotAL | this one is new |
| 13:55.25 | WilliamDotAL | i just want to format them and build a new raid^1 |
| 13:55.27 | WilliamDotAL | *raid1 |
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| 13:57.20 | WilliamDotAL | found it |
| 13:57.30 | WilliamDotAL | the setup assembled and mounted the md device |
| 13:57.46 | WilliamDotAL | that is actually pretty dumb design... |
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| 14:06.23 | qiyong | where can I talk about apt internals? |
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| 14:07.38 | luky | hallo a problem: openswan and site to site vpn cannot connect from left side with the right external ip to the internet |
| 14:08.16 | luky | i can ping from left subnet to right subnet but cant ping 8.8.8.8 for example |
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| 14:08.36 | luky | and i want to use ip adress from right side |
| 14:09.11 | luky | i dont want to use my own external ip because i want that inet traffic is encrypted and not seen by my ISP |
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| 14:22.52 | WilliamDotAL | next issue, the raid members are sdl and sdk and the install tries to install the grub on sda |
| 14:23.14 | WilliamDotAL | i cant install it manually on sdl/k from the limited os the installer boots |
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| 14:39.17 | WilliamDotAL | this is annoying, now i have a grub on sdk and sdl and all i get is a grub shell because it didnt write any initrd image |
| 14:39.25 | WilliamDotAL | who the hell designed the debian installer |
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| 14:41.01 | WilliamDotAL | and who the fuck assumed that grub is always on sda |
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| 14:44.44 | mtn_ | WilliamDotAL: in my experience the installer does what you tell it to do. I missed which version of the installer you are using. Testing or stable? |
| 14:44.59 | WilliamDotAL | stable |
| 14:45.05 | WilliamDotAL | and i clearly did never tellhim to install it on sda |
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| 14:45.59 | mtn_ | WilliamDotAL: as I said, every time I have used the installer it told me where it was going to install grub. I am not familiar with what you ar trying to do though. |
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| 14:46.25 | WilliamDotAL | a simple software raid1 |
| 14:47.01 | mtn_ | WilliamDotAL: yes, I have never messed with raid. hopefully someone else has some ideas for you. |
| 14:47.46 | mege | I wasn't able to install grub 2, it says that these gtp partition labels have no bios boot partitions |
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| 14:49.27 | WilliamDotAL | it seems to fail to detect at all |
| 14:49.34 | WilliamDotAL | that this system is not BIOS but EFI based |
| 14:49.45 | WilliamDotAL | even if the installer is started via UEFI mode |
| 14:50.41 | hile_ | Interesting question: I have multiple VPS providers. One of them offers Ubuntu images, but not debian. Coming from RHEL over to the dark side ;-) If I simply update /etc/apt/sources.list on the Ubuntu box to reference the wheezy repos, will apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get distupgrade turn the box into debian? |
| 14:51.01 | WilliamDotAL | depends on virt technology |
| 14:51.08 | WilliamDotAL | and no, it will more likely just brick it |
| 14:51.22 | hile_ | damn. |
| 14:51.23 | hile_ | oh well. |
| 14:51.30 | WilliamDotAL | open a ticket |
| 14:51.38 | WilliamDotAL | most will have no issue in installing debian |
| 14:51.50 | WilliamDotAL | mtn_: solved |
| 14:52.03 | mtn_ | WilliamDotAL: good deal |
| 14:52.03 | WilliamDotAL | i just created EFI partitions on both and forced EFI mode |
| 14:52.08 | WilliamDotAL | as well as disconnecting all HDDs |
| 14:52.12 | WilliamDotAL | to have the SSDs as sda and sdb |
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| 14:52.29 | WilliamDotAL | lets see if it boots at all with the HDDs still |
| 14:52.39 | WilliamDotAL | else i just instal server 2012, that works at least without hacking around |
| 14:52.53 | hile_ | nevermind, I just rechecked and they do have wheezy. |
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| 14:55.33 | hile_ | I must say, though, that coming to debian after not having dealt with it in years; things are actually more up-to-date as far as package versions than I remember, and they're more up-to-date than even on a RHEL 6 box. |
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| 14:58.53 | petn-randall | WilliamDotAL: Are you still using the unetbootin image? |
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| 15:01.02 | WilliamDotAL | no |
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| 15:01.07 | WilliamDotAL | the official installer from usb stick |
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| 15:03.52 | petn-randall | WilliamDotAL: Just to recap: The problem is that the installer doesn't recognize the RAID1 on the SSDs, or are you already finished with installation and it doesn't boot? |
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| 15:17.11 | quazimodo | anyone know how debian based nix's deal with things like stickpoint and trackpads, etc? |
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| 15:17.53 | petn-randall | quazimodo: What's a nix? |
| 15:17.54 | quazimodo | xfce has some parameters that I can change for these pointing devices, but I don't actually know what the stack looks like, from hardware up to drivers, environment, etc |
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| 15:18.54 | petn-randall | quazimodo: Oh, the devices on current system show up as input devices in the evdev stack. |
| 15:19.01 | petn-randall | s/system/systems/ |
| 15:19.11 | quazimodo | petn-randall: unix like operating system |
| 15:19.18 | quazimodo | hrm time for googling, thanks |
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| 15:20.37 | quazimodo | hrmmmmm |
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| 15:24.19 | MartinCleaver | Is there a way to run bash 4.2 on Debian Squeeze? (4.1 is standard on squeeze, wheezy uses 4.2). http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bash but there seems to be no backport |
| 15:24.25 | MartinCleaver | (a safe way) |
| 15:24.50 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver -about ssb |
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| 15:25.26 | petn-randall | MartinCleaver: You can backport it yourself if you want, but being such a central tool it might be better to install a newer version to /usr/local/. |
| 15:25.41 | petn-randall | MartinCleaver: On the other hand, safe your time and just upgrade to wheezy ;) |
| 15:26.08 | MartinCleaver | Thanks petn-randall |
| 15:27.07 | petn-randall | MartinCleaver: You're welcome, any time again :) |
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| 15:28.23 | MartinCleaver | re: sub: [2013-07-13 11:27:19 AM] Ken : sid? why sid? it's in squeeze... not sure why they're telling you to go to sid... ('unstable') |
| 15:28.24 | MartinCleaver | [2013-07-13 11:27:44 AM] Ken : also im not sure why he wants you to compile it yourself. i suppose to ensure that it's using all your current libraries - |
| 15:28.24 | MartinCleaver | [2013-07-13 11:27:50 AM] Ken : one from squeeze might need libs that you dont have in squeeze. |
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| 15:29.21 | MartinCleaver | I ask, BTW, because rvm (package selector for ruby) does not work on bash 4.1.x - they require bash 3.2 or bash 4.2 ("bash 4.1 was… umm buggy") |
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| 15:30.28 | petn-randall | MartinCleaver: cross posting is very frowned upon. If you're already getting help, don't ask here, too. |
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| 15:32.40 | qiyong | service or start/stop, which toolset is the go? |
| 15:32.42 | MartinCleaver | sorry petn-randall |
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| 15:35.24 | jhutchins | MartinCleaver: Remember that 4.1 upstream is not the same as 4.1 from Debian. The bugs may very well have been patched. |
| 15:35.25 | quazimodo | hrm |
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| 15:40.20 | MartinCleaver | well, we actually encountered bugs hence I went looking for answers, jhutchins |
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| 15:43.12 | jentron | Question: dselect seems not to show updated packages after an "apt-get update" when ran as an ordinary user. Does it need to be run as root? I really just want to use it to browse packages, not install anything. |
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| 15:44.39 | jhutchins | jentron: You can use aptitude to browse packages. |
| 15:44.46 | jentron | Or let me rephrase, 'update' must be ran in dselect before new packages appear. |
| 15:45.19 | jentron | I could. But I don't like aptitude, I'd rather use dselect to browse and apt-get to install manually. |
| 15:45.38 | quazimodo | hrm |
| 15:46.20 | quazimodo | so i need to intercept the input from my stickpoint at some point, do what I want to do with it, then send that new data to the input subsystem at some point |
| 15:46.26 | quazimodo | :/ i wonder where is most appropriate |
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| 15:49.20 | deadmund | How can I stop bluetoothd from starting at bootup? I do not have any bluetooth devices but gnome (for some reason) depends on bluetooth packages |
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| 16:02.09 | scarrz | I have this error: E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources ... can anyone help me fix it? I cannot install or remove packages :( |
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| 16:03.02 | dvs | scarrz: stop messin around with your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:03.43 | scarrz | I did nothing I swear |
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| 16:07.35 | cwillu_at_work | I've got three patch files I want to add to a apt-get source'd folder |
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| 16:07.41 | cwillu_at_work | how do I do that? |
| 16:08.06 | cwillu_at_work | (the obvious "drop it in debian/patches" appears to not do anything) |
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| 16:17.47 | qiyong | does debian use upstart? |
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| 16:28.02 | doebi | How do i save urls to open them using a browser in unix/win/mac? In windows they have .url/.lnk but they are windows specific. Isn't there something uniformly? |
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| 16:30.23 | Gremble | Where can I find what debian does to the vanilla kernel? I am a bit curious |
| 16:30.40 | th0r | doebi: a url usually starts with the protocol (http, ftp, rtp,...) :// and the web address (google.com, slashdot.org, etc) and maybe a colon and the port number |
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| 16:35.46 | doebi | th0r: see, i want to save a single file in a folder, which someone can doubleclick to open a specified url in a browser. windows offers .url which is simply a textfile starting with [InternetShortcut] followed by some parameters. My question was if there is something similar for any os. |
| 16:37.45 | th0r | doebi: store the url in a text file and then just copy/paste it into whatever browser you want to use, or place it in an html file. The browser should open the html file by default and allow you to click on the link. But from a desktop.....each OS and each window manager will store that info differently. |
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| 16:39.48 | doebi | hmm yeah... i thought so. html with an <a> tag inside is a good idea. will do that. thanks. |
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| 16:40.04 | spreeuw | hi, how do I search for any filename in any package with apt* ? |
| 16:40.17 | spreeuw | does search include filenames? |
| 16:40.44 | spreeuw | trying to find out where mrtg-traffic-sum binary is |
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| 16:44.57 | Bollsaq | How do I install libav and avconv in debian testing? |
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| 16:45.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bollsaq -about search |
| 16:45.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bollsaq -about apt-file |
| 16:46.21 | babilen | Bollsaq: "apt-get install libav-tools" -- but please familiarise yourself with the many ways you can search our package repositories :) |
| 16:47.13 | Bollsaq | babilen: you mean like searching in synaptic? |
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| 16:49.17 | babilen | Bollsaq: See the factoids the bot sent you as there are many tools that search packages and the content of packages. apt-cache, aptitude apt-file are probably among those that you'll end up using most often. I never used synaptic, but guess that it has some search functionality too, yes. A lot of us are not that familiar with the GUI tools and we typically don't directly support them as it is horrible to walk someone through a GUI if the same can ... |
| 16:49.23 | babilen | ... be achieved with a 'apt-file search -x "bin/avconv$"' |
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| 16:49.44 | Bollsaq | babilen: I prefer GUI most the time when possible like software center and synaptic |
| 16:49.55 | qiyong | what is /var/log/user.log for? |
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| 16:50.32 | Bollsaq | thanks |
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| 16:50.59 | babilen | qiyong: Logs from user-level processes/daemons (think pulseaudio) |
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| 16:51.20 | _basic6 | What's the proper command to switch the keyboard layout in Squeeze (not in a DE)? |
| 16:51.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell _basic6 -about keymap |
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| 16:52.04 | babilen | _basic6: You should start to plan your upgrade to wheezy. See "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for pointers |
| 16:52.06 | _basic6 | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration is what a debian wiki page says but that won't work (no such package) |
| 16:52.34 | _basic6 | babilen: thanks for the tip about wheezy but i will upgrade to wheezy |
| 16:52.35 | babilen | _basic6: Well, install it! |
| 16:52.57 | babilen | _basic6: I don't quite understand your last sentence ;) |
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| 16:54.12 | _basic6 | babilen: i said that i'm going to upgrade to wheezy!? |
| 16:55.38 | babilen | _basic6: "about wheezy but i will upgrade to wheezy" -- "but" typically implies that the following statement is contrast to what has been said before. |
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| 16:58.00 | _basic6 | again: i'm going to do the upgrade anyway. however, i'd like to fix the keyboard layout first. that's all |
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| 17:03.16 | _basic6 | Isn't there a simple config file that I could edit to change the keyboard layout though? dpkg-reconfigure foo probably will do just that anyway... |
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| 17:03.25 | babilen | _basic6: Yes, install keyboard-configuration and configure it to your liking. |
| 17:03.47 | Gremble | Can someone point me to the technical differences between the debian kernel and the vanilla kernel? I am curious to read about it, but I can't find resources :x |
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| 17:04.47 | babilen | _basic6: You can also edit /etc/default/keyboard manually after you installed that package. |
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| 17:05.18 | babilen | _basic6: But as said earlier: "install it" and then configure it. If you do that via dpkg-reconfigure or by editing the file directly doesn't really matter. |
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| 17:06.40 | cwillu_at_work | Gremble, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-source.html |
| 17:06.48 | babilen | Gremble: Well, there is http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ but you probably just want to take a look at http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/sid/linux/debian/patches/ (change sid to whatever you are interested in) |
| 17:07.37 | Gremble | Thank you very much |
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| 17:09.38 | babilen | Gremble: Ben (our kernel maintainer) is quite heavily involved in upstream kernel development and backports hardware support from later kernels to 3.2 (or whatever kernel we have in stable) on a regular basis. |
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| 17:11.23 | Gremble | Does he come by? |
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| 17:11.36 | Gremble | It would be interesting to converse a bit |
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| 17:12.26 | babilen | Gremble: Not in this channel, no |
| 17:12.46 | Gremble | Ah ok. |
| 17:13.33 | Gremble | The handbook is rather short reading.. I will have a look through the patch notes |
| 17:13.34 | Gremble | Thanks for the assistance :) |
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| 17:22.31 | tumii | does debian include a program where i can make some programs to automatically launch when I log in? |
| 17:22.41 | tumii | ubuntu has one, but dunno if debian does |
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| 17:26.06 | epsilon | cant you just add in .profile or .bashrc? |
| 17:26.10 | babilen | tumii: That *really* depends on what you log into and what you want to start. Gnome and most other desktop environments have various ways to configure "autostart" behaviour, but that wouldn't work for logins on a tty. (or via SSH or ..) |
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| 17:26.47 | babilen | tumii: So, in short: Please be more specific and tell us what you want. Which "program" on Ubuntu are you referring to that you are missing on Debian? |
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| 17:27.16 | tumii | babilen, ubuntu has a "Startup progam manager", a graphical program where you can manually add programs and they are executed on startup automatically |
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| 17:27.44 | tumii | and for example, I want my IRC client to start automatically when I log in, so I don't have to manually execute it everytime I reboot |
| 17:29.31 | tumii | the ubuntu's program is very simple: http://www.ubuntuka.com/static.images/ubuntu-startup-applications.png |
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| 17:32.46 | babilen | tumii: That's simply the Gnome configuration wizard (at least it looks like that) -- Investigate your "Session" settings in Gnome's control center. |
| 17:33.06 | tumii | I use LXDE, not gnome |
| 17:33.40 | tumii | could a startup script work to just launch programs? |
| 17:33.56 | babilen | tumii: Well, then use whatever LXDE provides -- You clearly cannot use the Gnome functionality. (have you been using LXDE on Ubuntu too?) |
| 17:34.15 | tumii | Yes i did |
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| 17:34.24 | tumii | well, I think i'll keep googling and hope I find something useful |
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| 17:37.29 | qiyong | babilen: do you know what's the difference b/w syslog and message? |
| 17:37.40 | babilen_ | tumii: You might want to start with http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart |
| 17:38.07 | tumii | thank you babilen_ |
| 17:38.32 | tumii | this is what i was looking for |
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| 17:39.00 | babilen_ | qiyong: Just take a look at /etc/rsyslog.conf (it contains the configuration of the logging system) |
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| 17:43.05 | msl09 | Hi, how do I list a package dependencies as they show up in a bug report? |
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| 17:43.31 | msl09 | Like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712961 |
| 17:43.55 | msl09 | At "Versions of packages liferea depends on:" |
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| 18:13.58 | jharri34_ | hello all i have 2 hardrives one which contains the system and the other contains my home i need help repartioning the system hard drive it currently only using 20gb of a 80 gb hard drive and now its reach maximum capacity please help |
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| 18:22.54 | Gremble | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html This is a linux HOWTO on repartitioning, jharri34 |
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| 18:27.24 | jharri34__ | can any show me how to resize a partition without deleting the content of the hard drive |
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| 18:27.41 | edju | Trying to install testing amd64 on a late 2008 macbook. It stalled at the "Select and Install Software" step. Tried to skip that but it won't install grub either. Any hints, pointers, etc. appreciated. |
| 18:28.21 | ekinnee | core duo? |
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| 18:28.49 | fkbm | Hello, can anyone tell me if there is a way to disable the behaviour where AltGr using multiple layouts practically switches the layout while held? |
| 18:29.28 | fkbm | The command I have set up is setxkbmap -layout "ro,us(dvorak)" |
| 18:30.00 | fkbm | But instead of AltGr working as a compose key for ro it "temporarily" switces to us(dvorak) |
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| 18:30.28 | edju | jharri34_, gparted will do it, among others. |
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| 18:31.15 | jharri34__ | edju: Thanks |
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| 18:33.35 | edju | jharri34_, Of course, no guarantees. |
| 18:34.09 | nick__ | Hi, I'm having an issue running Team Fortress 2 from Debian Wheezy. im using 64 bit |
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| 18:34.36 | nick__ | when i get to the loading page the game doesnt progress any furthur but doesnt crash as i can still move the cursor |
| 18:34.39 | nick__ | running xdm |
| 18:35.00 | nick__ | i have to goto a shell and pkill my xsession to start again... |
| 18:35.16 | nick__ | has anyone else ever had these problems |
| 18:35.17 | nick__ | ? |
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| 18:42.16 | nick__ | any available to help? |
| 18:42.18 | nick__ | ??? |
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| 18:46.36 | php-noob | abrotman: Now i have |
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| 18:48.16 | php-noob | abrotman: I try apt-get upgrade but fails with libmenu-cache and other |
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| 18:50.20 | jharri34__ | gparted will not let me resize the partition what should i do |
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| 18:52.42 | mwarning_ | hi, can anybody tell how I can find out why installing ekiga pulls libgweather-common onto my system? |
| 18:53.17 | mwarning_ | bah, I abort. Now it's pulling evolution as well /o\ |
| 18:53.56 | php-noob | apt-cache depends package |
| 18:53.58 | mtn | nick__: is that a linux game? |
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| 18:54.06 | php-noob | you will see wich dependencies they will install |
| 18:54.12 | mwarning_ | k |
| 18:54.14 | php-noob | another mode is -s (simulate) |
| 18:54.46 | nick__ | mtn:yes |
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| 18:55.23 | mwarning_ | Depends: evolution-data-server |
| 18:55.27 | mtn | nick__: you got it from a website? |
| 18:55.46 | mwarning_ | hm, I will not install ekiga then. |
| 18:56.01 | nick__ | https://github.com/ghostsuqad57 |
| 18:56.07 | php-noob | mmm ... wait, you want to know how it is installed.... |
| 18:56.14 | nick__ | https://github.com/ghostsquad57 |
| 18:56.28 | php-noob | i say apt-get depends mypackage will say wich dependencies will intall... |
| 18:56.32 | mtn | nick__: if no one here uses it, you will probably get the best help from the website |
| 18:56.42 | php-noob | is not same, sorry,i dont understand right your question |
| 18:56.49 | nick__ | thats where i got steam from |
| 18:56.54 | php-noob | maybe you have to read log |
| 18:57.07 | nick__ | does anybody play steam related games? |
| 18:57.45 | php-noob | "/var/log/apt/history.log" |
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| 18:58.51 | php-noob | do pipe with | grep ekiga |
| 18:59.04 | php-noob | you will find wich package installed it |
| 19:00.15 | php-noob | mumpitzel: are u here? need some help :S |
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| 19:00.50 | php-noob | I try apt-get upgrade but fails with libmenu-cache and another package. |
| 19:01.09 | php-noob | now system cannot read ifstate and cannot turn on wifi ... |
| 19:02.39 | SP33D | i have always in auth log "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /root" but i expected nothing like that and did all standart checks the root dir is owned by root:root and has mode 700 and the .ssh is 700 and .ssh/key* is 600 like its writen in some blogs what else can i do? |
| 19:04.24 | php-noob | chmod go-w ~/ |
| 19:04.41 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.47 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.25 | jelly-home | SP33D: those are the permissions, what about ownerships? |
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| 19:05.53 | php-noob | i read algo chmod g-w ~/ |
| 19:06.09 | jelly-home | SP33D: pastebin the output of ls -ld / /root /root/.ssh /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:06.38 | jelly-home | php-noob: that's included with your first chmod |
| 19:07.15 | php-noob | i read also chmod go-w ~/ and g-w... take care about letter o |
| 19:07.23 | SP33D | jelly as i sayed root:root |
| 19:07.23 | php-noob | did you mean that? |
| 19:07.49 | SP33D | ya i meand user and group root |
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| 19:08.03 | SP33D | else it wouldn't be no supprise that it don't works |
| 19:08.07 | SP33D | :D |
| 19:08.19 | jelly-home | php-noob: go-w includes (implies) g-w |
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| 19:08.50 | SP33D | jelly i did this gw command and didn't understood it |
| 19:08.59 | Achylles | I cannot see my hosts in the network. What packages should I install to see them? |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | waits for the paste |
| 19:09.10 | SP33D | what should it do give grupe write previlegs? |
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| 19:09.15 | php-noob | take a look http://www.christopherirish.com/2012/01/27/cant-get-ssh-public-key-working/ |
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| 19:09.51 | php-noob | dont forget restart service if you try |
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| 19:10.05 | SP33D | the past answered it |
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| 19:10.23 | SP33D | but i don't know what the heck is going on coz ls -o showed its owned by root |
| 19:10.32 | SP33D | now this says 14 1001 1002 4096 Jul 13 17:24 /root |
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| 19:10.37 | SP33D | 1001 and 1002 |
| 19:10.44 | SP33D | and i never setuped such users |
| 19:11.01 | SP33D | or lets say i don't regonized that i did that |
| 19:11.10 | SP33D | maybe coz the sudo expirments |
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| 19:12.10 | RobHaz | Hello |
| 19:12.23 | RobHaz | I phpmyadmin doesnt work |
| 19:12.27 | RobHaz | i installed it |
| 19:12.34 | RobHaz | and when i go to: |
| 19:12.49 | RobHaz | localhost/phpmyadmin it doesnt work? |
| 19:12.53 | jelly-home | php-noob: there's no need to restart sshd for that, the permissions are checked at login time |
| 19:13.22 | SP33D | now all works |
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| 19:13.32 | SP33D | i whanted to switch from pass out to key out now all works fine |
| 19:13.37 | RobHaz | ? |
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| 19:13.57 | SP33D | i was under attak from a realy funny ip ip233.hichina.com |
| 19:14.00 | RobHaz | Can someone help me?? |
| 19:14.02 | SP33D | realy funny :D |
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| 19:14.06 | php-noob | i say restart if they follow the instrucctions from link... editing sshd_config file and restarting service.... |
| 19:14.45 | php-noob | i see youre talking a lot :)... maybe you can help me too |
| 19:14.57 | php-noob | i have a BIG problem that i cannot solve :( |
| 19:14.59 | jelly-home | php-noob: there's no need to edit sshd_config to fix this particular issue |
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| 19:15.03 | SP33D | php wich one |
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| 19:15.12 | RobHaz | Can someone help me with phpmyadmin? |
| 19:15.15 | Achylles | What should I install to see my LAN machines? |
| 19:15.15 | aguitel_ | i have this error in upgrade process :http://bpaste.net/show/cjcXSu8MwZtE4ajQbETW/ ,how fix it ? |
| 19:15.37 | php-noob | jelly-home, read http://www.christopherirish.com/2012/01/27/cant-get-ssh-public-key-working/ then come back :( |
| 19:15.45 | RobHaz | Hello?? |
| 19:15.58 | RobHaz | php-noob: Can you help me? |
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| 19:16.08 | php-noob | dont know :S |
| 19:16.08 | SP33D | aguitel_ you simply don't setuped locale right do locale-gen |
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| 19:16.21 | php-noob | are u sure apache service is working? |
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| 19:16.22 | SP33D | Rob join #phpmyadmin |
| 19:16.24 | SP33D | for that |
| 19:16.27 | jelly-home | php-noob: there's no need to read random blogs to fix this particular issue, debian's configuration isn't that broken |
| 19:16.28 | RobHaz | php-noob: Yes. |
| 19:16.28 | php-noob | yes XD |
| 19:16.36 | RobHaz | SP33D: Im allready |
| 19:16.47 | RobHaz | But they dont say anything :/ |
| 19:16.53 | php-noob | join #phpmyadmin maybe this is best option |
| 19:16.59 | php-noob | aha |
| 19:17.07 | aguitel_ | SP33D, same error |
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| 19:17.13 | php-noob | did u try configure again phpmyadmin ? |
| 19:17.21 | php-noob | dpkg --configure |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | php-noob: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:17.25 | SP33D | aguitel you need to google a bit about setting up locale right |
| 19:17.25 | RobHaz | php-noob: 4 - 5 times.. |
| 19:17.29 | SP33D | there is more to do |
| 19:17.33 | RobHaz | I will try again |
| 19:17.35 | SP33D | cant help you with one line or such |
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| 19:17.52 | SP33D | Read about configuring a linux pc |
| 19:18.29 | SP33D | now the most big problem you all ever heard |
| 19:18.30 | SP33D | ! |
| 19:18.38 | RobHaz | linux doesnt work? |
| 19:18.40 | RobHaz | :P |
| 19:18.59 | jharri34__ | how can i resize sdb1 when gparted resize option is grayed out |
| 19:19.00 | SP33D | I need a solution for mounting a file as directory so that i can use it |
| 19:19.07 | SP33D | without having fuse or loop device |
| 19:19.13 | SP33D | any ideas |
| 19:19.45 | SP33D | the main goal is to get many small files in one big still useable ^^ without fuse or loop device |
| 19:20.16 | jelly-home | aguitel_: which debian release is this? does it work if you use "su -" to become root instead of sudo (pointing to PATH for root being broken with sudo)? |
| 19:21.08 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, wheezy ,same error with "su" |
| 19:21.24 | jelly-home | SP33D: what's stopping you from using loop block device functionality? |
| 19:21.35 | php-noob | SP33D did u say merge some small files into one big? |
| 19:21.49 | jelly-home | aguitel_: does "echo $PATH" show /sbin ? |
| 19:22.12 | jelly-home | aguitel_: inside a root shell opened with su -? |
| 19:22.26 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, no |
| 19:22.44 | jelly-home | aguitel_: what does it say? How did you install wheezy? |
| 19:23.40 | jelly-home | aguitel_: I'm asking because libc-bin package usually exists by default, it comes with the base system |
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| 19:24.15 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, see that:http://bpaste.net/show/UFdXPhtDJ1fP0hjoVfWj/ |
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| 19:24.38 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, i installed wheezy from scratch |
| 19:24.59 | jelly-home | aguitel_: please use a space in front of http:// links next time, it's hard to click them |
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| 19:25.26 | jelly-home | aguitel_: the command is echo $PATH |
| 19:26.12 | php-noob | jelly-home: can you help me with particular issue ? |
| 19:26.23 | jelly-home | php-noob: ? |
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| 19:27.00 | jelly-home | php-noob: sorry, I must have missed it |
| 19:27.12 | php-noob | after install x11vnc openssl was upgraded. Now i cannot use most common programs. cannot start lxsession, mysql, ssh.... |
| 19:27.25 | SP33D | jelly-home the kernel stops me |
| 19:27.31 | SP33D | that is not recompile able |
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| 19:27.33 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 19:27.59 | jelly-home | SP33D: debian's kernels have loop support... what does uname -a say? |
| 19:28.09 | php-noob | jelly-home: i have 2 img of my full system. one working, and the current, with a openssl verssion missmarch problem |
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| 19:28.26 | SP33D | jelly frind belive me it is like it is its a vserver so the kernel gets distributed from the host |
| 19:28.38 | SP33D | it has no loop support and i can't use fuse too |
| 19:28.38 | php-noob | jelly-home: i try apt-get upgrade and they stop with a libpam-cache error :( |
| 19:28.40 | jelly-home | aguitel_: you'll have to add /usr/sbin and /sbin to PATH |
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| 19:29.04 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, how do that ? |
| 19:29.06 | php-noob | jelly-home: dont know if i can prevent some packages from updating, and cannot fix the problem when updating ... |
| 19:29.07 | jelly-home | SP33D: oh, you're SOL then. Find a better provider. |
| 19:29.18 | jharri34__ | Can anyone help me resize my root partition without deleting its contents |
| 19:29.26 | SP33D | jelly no alternate to get a file as storage ? |
| 19:29.49 | jelly-home | php-noob: it sounds as if you installed packages from different debian releases; an upgrade should not break unrelated software |
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| 19:30.09 | jelly-home | SP33D: not that I can think of |
| 19:30.20 | php-noob | jelly-home: maybe i need to check my package list to avoid them? |
| 19:30.52 | SP33D | jelly i can imagin a way but then i need a way to get a script working like a directory |
| 19:30.59 | SP33D | so replace a directory with a script |
| 19:30.59 | php-noob | jelly-home: my debian is a so so cumtom kernel one.... maybe is that :S. wm8505 yum 3 debian 7 wheezy for wm8505 smartbook |
| 19:31.01 | SP33D | :D |
| 19:31.28 | SP33D | is such a linking possible that i do for example /bla/bla2/pro.gif |
| 19:31.37 | SP33D | and all after bla2 is handled by a script |
| 19:31.48 | SP33D | that then shows pro.gif? |
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| 19:32.47 | php-noob | jelly-home: wich is the good source list for wheezy 7? may i use only main and stable releases? |
| 19:32.47 | jelly-home | php-noob: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 libssl0.9.8 libssl1.0.0 openssh-client" |
| 19:32.56 | SP33D | then i can pack many files in one file all seperated by uniq like ======NEWFILE====filename.bla and a script returns that part till next mark on request |
| 19:33.16 | jelly-home | php-noob: I'm not sure you're running wheezy at all at this point. |
| 19:33.20 | php-noob | u... i do the apt-cache policy, was taking long time and output was a 16 line trunked file |
| 19:33.39 | php-noob | i must try libssl packages :) |
| 19:34.13 | SP33D | is there something like mod rewrite for the linux filesystem? |
| 19:34.13 | SP33D | :D |
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| 19:34.49 | SP33D | can i archiv this with a spezial edited symlink or else? |
| 19:34.52 | koollman | SP33D: I suppose it could be done with fuse. not sure it exists already |
| 19:35.04 | SP33D | kooll fuse is no option |
| 19:35.08 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.12 | SP33D | no loop no fuse |
| 19:35.14 | jelly-home | SP33D: find a provied that lets you use loop devices. |
| 19:35.27 | jelly-home | php-noob: what? |
| 19:35.34 | SP33D | jelly it depends on all vservers not on a provider |
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| 19:35.40 | koollman | oh. right. no loop no luck. |
| 19:36.01 | php-noob | jelly-home: http://projectproto.blogspot.com.es/2012/01/debian-wheezy-on-wm8505.html |
| 19:36.03 | php-noob | see that |
| 19:36.12 | php-noob | thats my smarbook and thats the system in it |
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| 19:36.21 | jharri34__ | Can anyone help me resize my root partition |
| 19:36.32 | php-noob | all they works using as it comes, i have a previuos backup |
| 19:37.01 | zdzichuBG | hello, can anyone guide me to channel where sysadmins of master.debian.org are? |
| 19:37.23 | SP33D | zdzichuBG and then? |
| 19:37.35 | SP33D | has it a bug? |
| 19:38.04 | zdzichuBG | SP33D: it is bouncing my emails, I'd like to know why |
| 19:38.19 | SP33D | lol |
| 19:38.22 | SP33D | hahhahahahaa |
| 19:38.28 | jelly-home | php-noob: that blog is from 2012, when wheezy had not been released yet. It's very likely the images are aged as well. |
| 19:38.45 | SP33D | zdzichuBG thats your fail past the mail text and lets see |
| 19:38.46 | SP33D | :D |
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| 19:39.22 | zdzichuBG | I don't understand you. |
| 19:39.27 | SP33D | did you ever port scanned master.debian.org it has no mail server |
| 19:39.28 | SP33D | :D |
| 19:39.51 | jelly-home | php-noob: ask the author to provide updated images with current wheezy, or explain the process of creating them |
| 19:40.13 | zdzichuBG | somehow... master.debian.org[2001:41b8:202:deb:216:36ff:fe40:4001] said: 550 Invalid |
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| 19:42.12 | jelly-home | php-noob: you could try to use clean image again, set up sources.list for wheezy and do a dist-upgrade instead, see if it works |
| 19:42.29 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, the file /etc/profile is:http://pastebin.ca/2426685 |
| 19:42.41 | aguitel_ | jelly-home, is that correct ? |
| 19:42.41 | php-noob | jelly-home: wich sources.list will i use? |
| 19:43.03 | php-noob | how can i check internally the version kernel... it really displays wheezy .S |
| 19:44.03 | jelly-home | php-noob: that doesn't make sense, sorry |
| 19:44.14 | jelly-home | php-noob: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
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| 19:46.49 | php-noob | jelly-home: im restoring sdcard with working image to try update |
| 19:47.15 | php-noob | jelly-home: will this /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list tell me the right sources? |
| 19:47.21 | php-noob | or the installed ones... |
| 19:47.30 | jelly-home | php-noob: if you're using a (micro)sd card as storage, you might want to run apt and dpkg wrapped with eatmydata to prevent excessive small writes. The drawback is a system crash might corrupt the filesystem completely |
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| 19:47.45 | zudge | quick question guys |
| 19:47.54 | jelly-home | php-noob: that's a command to type in your irc client |
| 19:48.08 | zudge | i want to copy my home folder to another hdd so i can mount it from there |
| 19:48.11 | jelly-home | a quiet alternative for |
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| 19:48.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, wheezy sources.list |
| 19:48.22 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:48.37 | php-noob | irc, OK, to bot system |
| 19:48.44 | zudge | would cp -r -p keep the permissions so i could mount the home folder? |
| 19:49.00 | php-noob | cool |
| 19:49.10 | jelly-home | zudge: cp -a is a nice shortcut for -r, -p and -d at the same time |
| 19:49.22 | jelly-home | zudge: the answer is "yes if you run it as root" |
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| 19:49.36 | php-noob | jelly-home: wrapped with eatmydata. how . interesting on it |
| 19:49.39 | zudge | yeah i could have just used mv but i don't want to risk losing my home folder |
| 19:49.50 | php-noob | when systems runs OK i will port it to a USB stick |
| 19:50.15 | jelly-home | php-noob: install eatmydata, run commands with "eatmydata" in front. Eg. "eatmydata apt-get update" |
| 19:50.24 | php-noob | aha, thx! |
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| 19:50.43 | php-noob | i know sdcard also will breack for a lot of small access |
| 19:50.48 | jelly-home | zudge: there's absolutely no reason to use mv and lose the originals |
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| 19:50.52 | php-noob | and finally die :) |
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| 19:51.21 | zudge | jelly-home: i agree that is why i wanted to use cp i just wasn't sure how to keep the permissions so i would work correctly when i mount the copy in place of the original |
| 19:51.42 | zudge | jelly-home: i really appreciate you help |
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| 20:04.52 | php-noob | jelly-home: in my sources.list i have some ftp.debian.org, with contrib, non-free and more. I edited with the dpkm msg and triying it |
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| 20:06.33 | php-noob | jelly-home: dpkg: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main" |
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| 20:08.16 | jelly-home | php-noob: that's from the bot. |
| 20:08.53 | jelly-home | php-noob: it would have been more useful if you pastebinned the information requested from the broken system instead of doing these explanations |
| 20:09.01 | php-noob | yes, i put that into my sources.list |
| 20:09.18 | php-noob | now i have the working img, i have wifi |
| 20:09.26 | php-noob | but is not break yet XD |
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| 20:10.16 | php-noob | jelly-home:the information requested (wich?) |
| 20:10.28 | php-noob | dpkg-cache? |
| 20:10.36 | jelly-home | php-noob: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 libssl0.9.8 libssl1.0.0 openssh-client" |
| 20:11.08 | php-noob | i say you before. i try apt-cache policy and bad result |
| 20:11.18 | php-noob | dont tried the other |
| 20:11.47 | jelly-home | "bad result" doesn't really make sense |
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| 20:12.00 | jelly-home | didn't see that bad result |
| 20:12.01 | php-noob | now system is working, should i try it anyway?? |
| 20:12.16 | php-noob | or i would use when crash? |
| 20:12.45 | php-noob | bad result was a splitted 16 line files with no data... |
| 20:12.55 | php-noob | from a 4o minutes script time! |
| 20:13.02 | php-noob | that i call bad |
| 20:13.05 | php-noob | :S |
| 20:13.07 | jelly-home | files? |
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| 20:13.38 | jelly-home | it doesn't matter |
| 20:13.45 | php-noob | i use nopaste for that |
| 20:13.55 | php-noob | and the result was a paste of 16 lines.... |
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| 20:15.16 | php-noob | thats so confuse to me :S. i put dpkg message repos to my list |
| 20:15.26 | php-noob | you say to try now upgrade, right? |
| 20:15.28 | php-noob | i will do :) |
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| 20:15.43 | jelly-home | no. |
| 20:15.59 | php-noob | what do i need? |
| 20:16.07 | jelly-home | I suggested a dist-upgrade (and an update before that) |
| 20:16.28 | php-noob | a distro update? |
| 20:16.33 | php-noob | i can try :) |
| 20:16.42 | jelly-home | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:16.50 | jelly-home | !tell php-noob about dist-upgrade |
| 20:17.18 | php-noob | tell :) |
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| 20:18.10 | jelly-home | php-noob: dpkg the bot should have sent you a private message; it might have ended up in a different tab or window in your irc client |
| 20:18.37 | php-noob | i see the message and i put his repost to my list |
| 20:18.57 | php-noob | aptitude update says 292 updates XD |
| 20:19.07 | php-noob | now im running yours apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:20.39 | php-noob | wow, 165mb update |
| 20:20.49 | php-noob | this will take more than an hour i think |
| 20:20.50 | jelly-home | aptitude update and apt-get update are basically the same thing, you need not have done both |
| 20:20.58 | jelly-home | php-noob: consider using eatmydata |
| 20:21.04 | php-noob | i use aptitude to check |
| 20:21.29 | php-noob | aha, first steep eatmydata, thanks again for repeat it :) |
| 20:24.27 | php-noob | OK, installed and running "eatmydata apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 20:28.42 | initself | am i wrong to expect that this entry in /etc/fstab will automatically mount /backups on boot? |
| 20:28.45 | initself | /dev/sda1 /backups ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 20:28.49 | initself | because it isn't |
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| 20:30.04 | initself | f fr4tc rddsfcckm nokmm,, |
| 20:30.53 | initself | mmmmmvdbbbbbbdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddbdb nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnj,.........................inkf ryxrr4f4emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 20:31.08 | initself | that sould be my sond |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 20:31.22 | initself | my son |
| 20:31.25 | initself | on my laptop |
| 20:31.30 | initself | when i wasn't looking |
| 20:32.39 | initself | is there a log that shows mount errors on boot? |
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| 20:37.21 | php-noob | initself: is not working the fstab file??? |
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| 20:42.01 | initself | php-noob: if i go mount /backups, it will work |
| 20:42.03 | initself | just not on boot |
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| 20:43.16 | paradigmarson | What is the advantage of using wvdial instead of network-manager with 3G dongles? |
| 20:44.02 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:45.59 | php-noob | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=149039 |
| 20:46.28 | php-noob | in that thread they talk about net daemon, that will start after some others, check it |
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| 20:48.22 | php-noob | initself, maybe you can try with auto option |
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| 20:48.53 | initself | also, my ssh takes a long time to come up after boot |
| 20:49.15 | initself | auto on boot didn't work |
| 20:49.19 | initself | defaults contains auto |
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| 20:50.51 | aguitel_ | see this error:http://pastebin.ca/2426718 |
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| 20:52.12 | php-noob | i see it before, aguitel_ |
| 20:52.33 | aguitel_ | php-noob, but how fix it |
| 20:52.46 | php-noob | im sorry, but i dont know :S |
| 20:53.00 | php-noob | i dont know so much about Linux :O |
| 20:53.37 | php-noob | maybe you can install your package with --nodeps |
| 20:53.48 | php-noob | and try to run it without them |
| 20:54.31 | jelly-home | php-noob: eh, eatmydata is more useful for dist-upgrade than for update |
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| 20:55.15 | php-noob | i use for both at same line |
| 20:55.18 | php-noob | still running |
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| 21:05.28 | petn-randall | aguitel_: You have mixed repositories. :-\ |
| 21:05.42 | aguitel_ | no |
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| 21:07.14 | petn-randall | aguitel_: Could you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 21:07.23 | aguitel_ | ok |
| 21:08.22 | aguitel_ | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/15938/ |
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| 21:13.07 | php-noob | jelly-home: still running. i will get back tomorrow :). thanks! |
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| 21:23.41 | jhutchins | initself: Does mount -a mount it? |
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| 21:26.00 | jhutchins | Bah, I'm gonna have to go back to #ubuntu, not enough broken in Debian. |
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| 21:31.21 | drybjed | hello. I have problem with kernel 3.9 from jessie and lxc unable to get DHCP information from dnsmasq, but I'm not sure how to properly report a bug or even if it is known already. can anybody suggest how to do this? |
| 21:31.53 | drybjed | (on 3.2 kernel from whezy LXC gets DHCP information correctly) |
| 21:34.40 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell drybjed -about bug report |
| 21:34.52 | drybjed | thanks |
| 21:34.53 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell drybjed -about report-bugs |
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| 21:35.18 | petn-randall | drybjed: Try to debug it down as far as possible, and try to provide a simple case to reproduce. |
| 21:36.08 | petn-randall | drybjed: Is it a debian kernel? |
| 21:36.19 | drybjed | I'll try to make reproductible virtual machine then |
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| 21:37.13 | petn-randall | drybjed: If the kernel you're using is packaged by Debian, you can report it against the bug tracker. |
| 21:37.33 | petn-randall | drybjed: in case of a vanilla kernel you can bisect the faulty commit and report it to LKML. |
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| 21:55.46 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:55.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 21:56.50 | dvs | 3.10-rc7? |
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| 22:19.44 | initself | uname -a gives you the system architecture. What command gives you software architecture? |
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| 22:21.23 | initself | dpkg --architecture |
| 22:21.24 | dpkg | initself: no idea |
| 22:22.14 | initself | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 22:22.14 | dpkg | alpha |
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| 22:46.09 | cast | root@ux:~# brctl addif br0 wlan0 |
| 22:46.09 | cast | can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported |
| 22:46.13 | cast | any ideas? :( |
| 22:46.36 | cast | am trying to setup a tap0 interface for UML |
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| 22:52.45 | cast | brctl delbr br0; brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 wlan0 results in the above error :( |
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| 22:54.45 | cwillu_at_work | cast, possibly relevant: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge#It_doesn.27t_work_with_my_Wireless_card.21 |
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| 23:06.16 | vlt | Hello. I installed Debian stable and it booted up really fast. Until I configured an interface in /etc/network/interfaces. Then the boot process takes very long at the [starting rsyslogd] line. Any idea how to get the normal speed again? |
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| 23:09.50 | frikinz | vlt: can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
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| 23:12.20 | intuxicated | if you install 20 ttf package via aptitude , how many times font cache will be updated ? |
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| 23:13.30 | vlt | frikinz: http://paste.debian.net/15954/ |
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| 23:18.20 | frikinz | vlt: syntax is ok. what about /etc/hosts |
| 23:18.58 | frikinz | intuxicated: I guess once if its handled by a deferred action (trigger message) |
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| 23:19.38 | frikinz | vlt: and is your network working then anyway? |
| 23:19.52 | cast | iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on didn't go so well for me :< |
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| 23:22.32 | vlt | frikinz: I made a few tests: It boots fast when the configured gateway actually exists but not when using a dummy gateway. Any idea why rsyslogd needs a working network connection? |
| 23:22.34 | boudiccas | vlt, what assigns dhpc for you please? |
| 23:23.03 | vlt | boudiccas: I use static network configuration. |
| 23:23.57 | frikinz | vlt: and do you have a local DNS? |
| 23:24.07 | frikinz | I mean on your network segment |
| 23:26.22 | vlt | frikinz: Ok, thank you, found it. There was an old nameserver line in resolv.conf |
| 23:26.34 | vlt | I removed it and now it boots up fast again. |
| 23:26.55 | frikinz | Failure to reach a host is bad. failure to resolve a hostname is disastrous. |
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| 23:29.55 | vlt | Ok, and I even added my hostname to /etc/hosts and now it works fast even when resolv.conf ns is not reachable. |
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| 23:29.59 | vlt | frikinz: Thanks |
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| 23:42.18 | alberto | I wanted to learn how to create applications for linux, know a website that teaches you where to start? |
| 23:42.53 | Moonlightning | I'm about to update a VPS from Squeeze to Wheezy. I can use `tmux` instead of `screen`, right? |
| 23:43.06 | vlt | Hmmmmm ... When I run `halt` the computer doesn't really switch off. The last line that remains on the screen is [power down]. It works from grub cli but not from Debian. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 23:43.52 | vlt | Moonlightning: Is this related somehow? I mean VPS and tmux? |
| 23:44.19 | alberto | ? |
| 23:44.30 | intuxicated | alberto, you can start with learning , C or C++ or Python |
| 23:44.49 | intuxicated | alberto, and duckduckgo.com will really help you |
| 23:44.53 | alberto | And about GTK ou QT? What app use? |
| 23:45.03 | alberto | and google? |
| 23:45.12 | alberto | exist diference? |
| 23:45.17 | Moonlightning | vlt: well, I have to do the upgrade over ssh, and the release notes recommend doing everything in `screen` in case the connection drops for whatever reason |
| 23:45.33 | Moonlightning | I figured I should be able to use `tmux` (why not?), but I thought I'd check anyway |
| 23:45.35 | Moonlightning | To be sure. |
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| 23:45.58 | intuxicated | alberto, you will learn about GTK and QT, first learn how to write programs |
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| 23:46.18 | vlt | Moonlightning: Should be no difference. |
| 23:46.26 | Moonlightning | nods. “Thanks.” |
| 23:46.45 | intuxicated | alberto, about google , i don't use it , http://donttrack.us/ |
| 23:46.57 | alberto | start in C ou C++ and after QT+ |
| 23:47.14 | vlt | Who's job is it to actually switch off the PC? The kernel's? |
| 23:47.17 | alberto | What program qT is used to make apps? |
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| 23:50.59 | intuxicated | alberto, QT do not make apps. QT is a Library. |
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| 23:52.16 | alberto | and Smplayer e etc? |
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| 23:52.31 | Moonlightning | Also. The release notes say you shouldn't use telnet, rlogin, or rsh to do the upgrade because those services will be brought down. Why is ssh different? o.o |
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| 23:54.17 | alberto | duckduckgo use google engine? |
| 23:54.54 | ttyS1 | how can i have Cron open a browser like chromium-browser for example ? I've been trying but iget the error cannot open display: :0 |
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| 23:57.23 | intuxicated | alberto, ask them #duckduckgo |
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