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| 00:00.17 | rryoumaa | i basically want netinst (or something similar) in an x window |
| 00:00.19 | moof2 | then you have at least two other choices... |
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| 00:00.54 | moof2 | do you have a separate machine? |
| 00:00.57 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: start virtualbox and choose: create new virtual machine |
| 00:00.57 | rryoumaa | moof2: great :) so one is virtualbox and the other is debootstrap? but how do i actually do all the details? |
| 00:01.02 | moof2 | like a spare or something? |
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| 00:01.33 | dzhonni | it's the dimpliest thing ever |
| 00:01.39 | dzhonni | *simpl |
| 00:01.54 | rryoumaa | i don't have another machine i can use in the meantime |
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| 00:02.10 | dzhonni | so use the 1 you're using now |
| 00:02.15 | moof2 | rryoumaa, as was pointed out, all debootstrap does is install some packages, pretending some dir is your / |
| 00:03.14 | rryoumaa | dzhonni: can't |
| 00:03.24 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: why? |
| 00:03.47 | moof2 | so there is a handful of setup tasks you would have to do (mostly partition/mount stuff) and another handful after debootstrap finishes |
| 00:04.10 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: you can use it whike it's installing debian ndtinst on the vm |
| 00:04.47 | rryoumaa | so it sounds like the virtualbox way will be the most foolproof |
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| 00:04.51 | moof2 | and it's technical stuff; if you don't have chops in that area, probably better off using the vm choice if you can |
| 00:05.04 | moof2 | depending on the fool :) |
| 00:05.10 | dzhonni | moof2: why? |
| 00:05.14 | rryoumaa | i'm happy to learn |
| 00:06.03 | moof2 | dzhonni, would need a more complete question :) I said a few different things... which? |
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| 00:06.10 | dzhonni | so plug the ext hd. than be sure its partition are not mounted |
| 00:06.39 | moof2 | does the ext have stuff on it? |
| 00:06.58 | rryoumaa | moof2: yes, it does now. so i will have to copy it to the internal first |
| 00:07.15 | rryoumaa | then copy back after installing, then blow away the internal |
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| 00:09.37 | dzhonni | moof2: why not the vm |
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| 00:10.30 | rryoumaa | i'd also be happy to just clone the current internal debian setup to the external, but i don't know how to get rid of the lvm part |
| 00:11.28 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: do you mean 'to keep the installed packages list' ? |
| 00:11.37 | dzhonni | !clone |
| 00:11.37 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 00:11.54 | dzhonni | mmm |
| 00:12.13 | rryoumaa | dzhonni: ideally i'd like to keep that, and to keep my etckeeper data, and keep my debconf data, and keep my home data, yes |
| 00:12.30 | dzhonni | !debian clone |
| 00:12.30 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 00:12.32 | moof2 | dzhonni, I didn't say that... what I did say was debootstrap (as pointed out) requires some pre- and post- install work, and they're fairly technical, especially in that you need some pre-knowledge before doing it, so maybe the vm way is going to be easier |
| 00:13.00 | abrotman | dzhonni: you can msg the bot |
| 00:13.13 | rryoumaa | what kind of technical stuff? i can partition, do mkfs, etc. and i can learn how to do grub setup. |
| 00:13.26 | rryoumaa | i just want to make sure it's roughly the equivalent of installing |
| 00:13.29 | dzhonni | abrotman: rryoumaa asked me that |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | rryoumaa: there's a wiki page about how to do this |
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| 00:14.06 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: for home data and debcof data you'll need to manually copy them |
| 00:14.27 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 00:15.13 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: vm install IS *exactly* the normal installing, since you use the deb. netinstl cd |
| 00:15.41 | moof2 | so if you're going to use debootstrap, the first step is to backup the ext |
| 00:16.05 | dzhonni | lol |
| 00:16.19 | dzhonni | he'll start tomorrow :) |
| 00:16.31 | moof2 | really, you backup (since you want to) either way |
| 00:17.15 | dzhonni | obvious, as with a normal (non vm and non debootstrap) instal |
| 00:17.28 | dzhonni | l |
| 00:18.25 | moof2 | dzhonni, I'm just going by what he's saying he wants to do... I'd say that if he can get a vm going and he can boot the install media from that, it's the easiest choice given his constraint he wants to keep use of the computer |
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| 00:20.02 | moof2 | so... back that thing up so it can be a load off your mind (one thing, make sure you know how to restore) |
| 00:21.12 | abrotman | dzhonni: you can also use the !tell feature |
| 00:21.29 | dzhonni | sorry |
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| 00:23.18 | rryoumaa | thanks for your comments, all. i will look at wiki pages for debootstrap and virtualbox, and think about trying the installer with nothing checked in tasksel after all, and do one of them. i might ask a q or two after i know more. |
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| 00:28.01 | dzhonni | i'll brb, i have to reboot |
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| 00:34.20 | Robert_L | I want to play with the kernel, I'm following the guide in ch08s06 of the docs. My main question is does linux-source-3.2.0 include the config that was used to create the "stock" kernel or is it a blank config? Basically I want to include suqashfs and aufs in the kernel image instead of as modules |
| 00:35.50 | abrotman | you can just put them in the initrd? |
| 00:36.53 | chomwitt | i thinks dpkgbot has the 'section' stuff wrong : http://tinyurl.com/qxgfxtq |
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| 00:37.43 | Robert_L | abrotman, yeah, I'm exploring that path also ... in fact, it makes more sense. |
| 00:39.30 | Robert_L | abrotman, google found me an excellent blog post explaining the insides of the initrd.img file and how to explore it ... thanks |
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| 00:40.04 | abrotman | chomwitt: why is that wrong ? |
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| 00:43.10 | chomwitt | abrotman: http://tinyurl.com/2clyoj (sections are divisions of an archive area) |
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| 00:44.03 | abrotman | chomwitt: given who created it, i'm not surprised |
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| 00:52.10 | chomwitt | abrotman: is it easy to change it? |
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| 00:54.20 | moof2 | Robert_L, maybe. more likely you'd find the config file in a kernel you install of that version, in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:54.45 | moof2 | assuming you're running that kernel now |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | chomwitt: or just erase it .. sure |
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| 00:55.55 | abrotman | chomwitt: did you look at the URL? |
| 00:56.49 | chomwitt | abrotman: what URL? |
| 00:57.58 | abrotman | in the factoid? |
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| 00:59.31 | moof2 | su - |
| 00:59.55 | moof2 | forgot to hit the button <-- not my root pw :P |
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| 01:01.27 | chomwitt | abrotman: if you mean the 'introduction note' which is used as a reference of the factoid, yes |
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| 01:02.02 | Robert_L | moof2, excellent, thank you. I've now got two solid suggestions to go on |
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| 01:04.43 | moof2 | Robert_L, so when you build the kernel using make-kpkg and you specify --initrd, it adds code to the packaging of the -resulting- kernel package, so that when you install that package it decides the content of the initrd and builds it using (among other stuff) that content |
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| 01:06.57 | abrotman | chomwitt: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#note .. which seems to refer to them as Sections as well |
| 01:06.59 | Robert_L | moof2, thanks. The docs at ch08s06 kind of explain that, but the kernel handbook seems a bit out of date, focusing on squeeze and the 2.6 kernel. I was just doing make and make bzImage, ala my old LFS days, and ended up booting off a rescue cd |
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| 01:10.26 | dzhonni | hi |
| 01:10.36 | dzhonni | rryoumaa: news? |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | chomwitt: The factoid should probably be expanded, not deleted |
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| 01:14.17 | moof2 | Robert_L, if you want, you can apt-get install kernel-package and check out the docs (the method you're using would require you to build the initrd yourself and also arrange for its loading) |
| 01:15.17 | moof2 | hmm. virtualbox wants the kernel source? |
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| 01:16.23 | Robert_L | moof2, yeah, vbox installs some kernel driver I think for the host only NIC |
| 01:17.19 | pha | I am trying to figure out how to mount a external hdd via usb. |
| 01:17.22 | Robert_L | moof2, thanks .. I'm building a router-on-cd and found a decent guide on doing it with a chroot, so if that path works I won't have to compile a new kernel, but I'm interested in some modified wifi drivers as well so I will revisit your tips |
| 01:17.26 | pha | http://paste.debian.net/16094/ <-- it's definitely connected right? |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | pha: 'dmesg' output might be useful |
| 01:19.25 | Robert_L | moof2, vboxpci,vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt are what you end up w/ |
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| 01:20.55 | pha | thanks abrotman |
| 01:21.10 | pha | http://paste.debian.net/16095/ <-- dmesg |
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| 01:31.02 | abrotman | pha: i don't see anything amiss in hte logs .. what if you mount it when you're not in the directory ? |
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| 01:34.45 | pha | not making a difference, saying same thing. |
| 01:35.10 | pha | it's definitely there... need to try identify via serials I think |
| 01:35.41 | pha | trying to remember the command that lists them with the serial numbers... |
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| 01:35.49 | bert_ | I am trying to install a 3rd hard drive into my debian squeeze box. The 2 I have are sata and the new one is an ata drive. When I boot up with the new drive attached I get a Grub Error 22 message. Without the drive nothing. Is this a case of the ata drive becoming sda1? How do I fix this? |
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| 01:37.02 | abrotman | pha: cat /proc/mounts ? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | bert_: sounds like the probe order |
| 01:37.40 | bert_ | abrotman: Is that easy to fix? |
| 01:38.02 | dzhonni | bert_: check the BIOS |
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| 01:39.26 | bert_ | dzhonni: So I want the bios to probe the sata drives first? I do know they are connected to an on board raid controller |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | bert_: you could use grub2 and do it by UUID |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | (I think) |
| 01:40.11 | bert_ | abrotman: I have this in my /boot/grub/device.map (hd0)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3250824AS_4ND1VYR1 |
| 01:40.21 | bert_ | I don't know if that is of any importance or not |
| 01:40.44 | bert_ | there is another entry for [hd1] |
| 01:40.51 | rryoumaa | dzhonni: it will take me some time. thanks for asking. |
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| 01:41.02 | Tordek | hi |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | bert_: checdk your BIOS, check the boot order |
| 01:42.08 | dzhonni | !s true blood s06e05 |
| 01:42.25 | dzhonni | sorry wrong window |
| 01:42.42 | Tordek | I'm running 64b jessie/sid. I've installed the nvidia driver as reccomended in the wiki, but it doesn't have the 32b libraries. How do I install the 32b libraries? |
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| 01:46.39 | dzhonni | Tordek: try the multiarch pkg, or the suwako repository |
| 01:48.13 | dzhonni | Tordek: i've an nvidia Optimus and if i remember right it uses 32b libs. have a look to suwako.nomanga.net |
| 01:48.43 | Tordek | gool, thanks |
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| 01:48.52 | Tordek | *cool |
| 01:49.05 | dzhonni | Tordek: is that an "Optimus" too? |
| 01:49.22 | Tordek | no, an 9500 |
| 01:50.05 | Tordek | but Steam complains that it can't use DRI |
| 01:50.19 | dzhonni | Tordek: you can also add an arch via dpkg, maybe it's useful |
| 01:50.37 | dzhonni | what's Steam? |
| 01:51.21 | abrotman | Tordek: you'll need to use multiarch I believe |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Tordek about steam |
| 01:54.58 | bfortified | geez notebook with optimus dumbest thing i ever did nothing but headache |
| 01:55.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:58.59 | Tordek | dzhonni: uh, Steam, the online game shop thing |
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| 02:04.51 | pha | abrotman, nope, that's the command I originally used to list. |
| 02:05.14 | chomwitt | how can i edit a factoid of dpkgbot? |
| 02:05.57 | Th0masR0ss | yell at it |
| 02:06.03 | dzhonni | bfortified: yes but now it works great. try bumblebee |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | chomwitt: which one? |
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| 02:18.13 | bfortified | dzhonni, yea it has been working fine for a little while I just hate dealing with that stuff. When i bought the notebook I thought great has a nice card in it! little did I know |
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| 02:34.03 | dzhonni | bfortified: the same for me. i only started using the card after *years*. Then , in the middle of 2012 it started working, with bumblebee via suwako-repo |
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| 03:23.04 | Mattix | Hello |
| 03:23.45 | Mattix | this question is a little bit offtopic, or not, but here it is: how do you use your iPhone on Linux? |
| 03:23.55 | Mattix | use as in upload music, photos, etc |
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| 03:28.37 | PryMar56 | Mattix, configure the iphone USB mode as 'Mass Storage' and then it looks like filesys |
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| 03:28.47 | totimkopf | Hi. would anyone know what $ history -p "arg1" "arg2" might be useful for? |
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| 03:29.04 | Mattix | ok, I'm checking how to do so now. thanks |
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| 03:29.45 | PryMar56 | Mattix, uh oh, see posts say IPhone has no Mass Storage support |
| 03:29.52 | Mattix | >_> |
| 03:30.03 | Mattix | a 700 dollars phone without mass storage? |
| 03:30.15 | totimkopf | when I read the man page it says that it preforms 'history substitution' then outputs it to STDOUT, but it doesn't seem to do any history substitution, at least not in the way I'm used to ie : ^foo^bar |
| 03:32.04 | Mattix | is here anyone with an iPhone? |
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| 03:49.58 | Mattix | http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 03:50.07 | Mattix | I hope I don't have to do all of this -.-" |
| 03:50.44 | Mattix | in fact I'm not willing to do all of this |
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| 03:53.08 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ anyone: I recently installed Debian Wheezy, and I'm having an odd problem with my numberpad. I can use the numberpad up until I log into my profile. After that, it won't work. Any ideas? It's a dm-crypted system BTW, in case that matters. |
| 03:53.20 | TooTinyofPantsIF | Oh, and USB keyboard, not PS/2 |
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| 04:01.32 | initself | i need php5-syck |
| 04:01.35 | initself | i can see it here |
| 04:01.36 | initself | http://packages.debian.org/sid/php5-syck |
| 04:01.51 | initself | how do i get the repo this is in into my squeeze sources? |
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| 04:11.20 | Rikairchy | anyone around? having an issue installing debian using the mini ISO |
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| 04:12.01 | Rikairchy | long story short, grub wouldn't install. rebooted in rescue mode, forced grub to install to /dev/sdb (the netbook hard drive) without issues. rebooted into grub rescue. What's the next step to get to debian to repair grub? |
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| 04:15.01 | jgiorgi | running wheezy with xfce trying to setup dual monitors, settings > display only shows the default monitor, xrandr only shows screen0, tried with motherboard builtin + pci card and two pci cards |
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| 04:21.35 | dgeary2 | trying to use gogoc with anonymous freenet6 tunnel for ipv6 internet connectivity on an up-to-date debian wheezy. tunnel interface is not being created. getting message on console: "loading kernel module for a network device with CAP_SYS_MODULE (deprecated). use CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev-tun instead". any ideas on how to solve? |
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| 04:26.24 | dgeary2 | looks similar to the following however the tunnel device is not even being created: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640768 |
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| 04:32.29 | kanliot | hi i'm a ubuntu noob that installed debian lxde without the netinstall. should i start over? |
| 04:32.55 | kanliot | i installed off the cd it went fine otherwise |
| 04:34.00 | rjsalts | kanliot: I don't understand, you're worried you've installed packages that aren't necessary for an LXDE environment? |
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| 04:34.26 | kanliot | i don't think i hve the online repos installed, only off the cd or am i just wrong again? |
| 04:35.08 | rjsalts | kanliot: cat /etc/apt/sources.list, but pretty sure it will have included http repos no matter what CD you installed from |
| 04:35.34 | rjsalts | kanliot: if not then just add them to that file manually rather than "starting over" |
| 04:35.43 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ anyone: many people have entered the room. What are the rules on re-posting a problem? |
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| 04:37.02 | kanliot | it has just deb cdrom and deb "http:/deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 04:37.29 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: you using X? |
| 04:38.05 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I'm not sure, actually. How do I find out? |
| 04:38.25 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: you're going into a gui? or just using the console? |
| 04:38.45 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I am going into a GUI. |
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| 04:39.04 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: The numberpad works until I go into a profile/GUI |
| 04:39.04 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: xev might help you diagnose things to do with keypresses in X |
| 04:39.33 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: X being the gui in debian |
| 04:39.34 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Can you provide me with a link on where to read more about xev? |
| 04:39.49 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Could installing KDE fix the issue? |
| 04:41.42 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: it's in the x11-utils package. install that and type xev. It'll show the keycodes of which keys you've pressed in the console window you start it from |
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| 04:43.13 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I do apologize, but I am completely new to Linux. I don't follow what you're saying. Should I type 'apt-get install x11-utils' in root terminal? |
| 04:43.17 | kanliot | i guess i'm used to ubuntu, and i don't really understand why there's not tons of updates. is all i need really that http://security.debian.org repo for a desktop system? |
| 04:43.25 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: aye |
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| 04:43.47 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Sweet! @ least I'm making SOME progress. I'll install and get back to you. |
| 04:43.48 | rjsalts | kanliot: it'll have all the security updates |
| 04:44.08 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: ...even so; might installing another desktop environment a potential solution? |
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| 04:45.06 | jgiorgi | using xfce is it possible to soft-align icons, ie not to snap them to a perfect grid |
| 04:46.03 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: depends on the problem. I've just given you a tool to explore what the problem might be. If xev says it recognizes the key presses as something you expected then it might be some remapping being done in the desktop environment |
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| 04:46.14 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: it's giving me back information, but I don't know how to understand it. |
| 04:47.29 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: so it has some keycode and keysym things when you're using the keyboard |
| 04:47.38 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: do they match what you expect? |
| 04:47.43 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Yes it does. |
| 04:47.59 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I don't know how to know, what to expect/interperet. |
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| 04:49.25 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: look at the name, does it show something like KP_1, etc. for the numpad? |
| 04:50.09 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: no KP_1 |
| 04:51.29 | rjsalts | kanliot: you can add deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free if you wanted access to all of the wheezy packages that aren't on your cd |
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| 04:52.43 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: so it's the mapping in X, something in the startup for your profile is changing it |
| 04:53.11 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: For hitting "1" on the keypad, it reads: MotioniNotifyEvent, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001, root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 3660193, (62,0) root:(63:59:), state 0x10, is_hint 0, same)screen, YES |
| 04:53.38 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Sorry about the smileys. |
| 04:54.24 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: if it's the mapping in the GUI, then it is possible that a new environment could fix the issue, correct? |
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| 05:02.16 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: the MotionNotifyEvent is the mouse moving |
| 05:03.07 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: probably not, this is the lower level that everything makes use of |
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| 05:03.53 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Where do I go from here? |
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| 05:04.45 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: I think you might be reading it wrong. You've got the tiny window. Put your mouse over that and leave it. Then hit the key you want to test |
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| 05:06.53 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: did that, and the information just had slightly different values, but nothing suggesting that I was hitting a numberkey. |
| 05:07.05 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: if not. I suspect it would be some accessibility feature to use the number pad as mouse emulation |
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| 05:07.56 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Yes, I've read about this |
| 05:08.25 | rjsalts | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/movecursor.html |
| 05:08.27 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: When numlock is off, the number keys behave like mouse functions. I've tried all 3 ways I know to turn numlock on. None work. |
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| 05:10.19 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I've tried the shift + numlock, as well as cntrl + shift + numlock |
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| 05:13.25 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: could be your desktop environment. you using gnome? |
| 05:14.13 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I'm not sure, but I believe so. Where do I need to go to find out? |
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| 05:15.58 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: in a menu somewhere? |
| 05:16.33 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: just type gnome? |
| 05:17.10 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: gnome will have menus up on a top bar last time I saw. I have no idea what you're looking at |
| 05:17.33 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: yes, menus are on a top bar. |
| 05:18.02 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I can scroll my mouse over the top bar, and then it'll give me an option to search for programs, files, etc. |
| 05:18.16 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: If type in "gnome" some things come up, like a terminal. |
| 05:18.26 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: If I type in KDE, nothing at all comes up. |
| 05:19.15 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: KDE and gnome perform the same functions. The choice of one over the other is largely a matter of taste |
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| 05:20.01 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I just want to figure out what I need to do to get the number pad working. A friend of mine suggested trying Squeeze instead. |
| 05:21.36 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: it comes down to it being mapped to the mouse movements. I don't know how it was turned on, but I assume it's something your window manager is doing |
| 05:21.44 | amond | TooTinyofPantsIF: you could post the coresponding line from xev for a numpad key press |
| 05:22.00 | amond | oh, wait, you covered that :X |
| 05:22.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: OK, I'll do that, one moment... |
| 05:22.55 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: I don't know which one you're using, and if it is gnome I'm not very familiar with it |
| 05:23.35 | amond | "Mouse Keys is toggled using SHIFT + NUMLOCK" http://www.mysolutions.it/disable-numpad-mouse-keys-linux-gnome-permanently/ |
| 05:23.53 | rjsalts | amond: he's tried that |
| 05:24.47 | amond | damn, im blind, anyway, it mentions System->Preferences->Keyboard “Mouse Keys” |
| 05:25.04 | amond | if there is a system button, it's gnome anyway |
| 05:25.09 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: MotionNotify event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001, root 0xb4, subw 0x1c00002, time 5660496, (13,46), root:(14,105), state 0x10, is_hint 0, same_screen YES |
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| 05:25.26 | TooTinyofPantsIF | amond: yeah I tried that. |
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| 05:26.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: ...if you're not using GNOME, what graphical interface are you using? |
| 05:27.04 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: Sorry; desktop environment. |
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| 05:28.14 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: I use KDE mostly |
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| 05:31.12 | TooTinyofPantsIF | @ anyone: can I rollback gnome? When I first installed the system about a week ago, it worked fine. |
| 05:31.29 | TooTinyofPantsIF | I may have updated GNOME, and the update is causing the problem. |
| 05:32.12 | amond | the update wont change the numkeys mapping |
| 05:32.33 | TooTinyofPantsIF | amond: thanks. It was worth a shot. |
| 05:32.35 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: if it's only in your profile then it's a setting |
| 05:32.41 | amond | try hitting shift+numlock, again. what does xev say now? |
| 05:33.51 | TooTinyofPantsIF | amond: perhaps the important part in what it gives back to me is: XFilterEvent returns: false |
| 05:34.36 | TooTinyofPantsIF | amond: shift + numlock and simply numlock return the same amount of data. |
| 05:34.54 | TooTinyofPantsIF | rjsalts: I don't know if I have another profile setup, but I shall look. |
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| 05:37.35 | amond | i didnt mean, what xev says about the shift+numlock keypresses. i ment, what pressing kp_1, after pressing shift+numlock (or numlock only) says. it should be alternating whenever you press numlock, isnt it? |
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| 05:43.56 | TooTinyofPantsIF | amond: it says absolutely nothing about a "kp" anything. |
| 05:44.10 | TooTinyofPantsIF | It's treating my keypad as a way to move the mouse. |
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| 07:00.40 | rjsalts | TooTinyofPantsIF: I'd suggest moving your home directory before downgrading or the like |
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| 07:02.27 | moof2 | that sounds like how it was at the beginning of time... try numlock |
| 07:04.02 | moof2 | also note a lot of people are complaining about gnome, especially in wheezy |
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| 07:07.06 | rjsalts | moof2: I've been complaining about gnome since slink |
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| 07:47.40 | rjsalts | moof2: the dkms for the guest extensions? |
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| 07:55.12 | moof2 | rjsalts, ahh. so I got a more successful result when I upgraded the kernel 3.2-4. installed its kernel headers and its kernel source |
| 07:55.30 | moof2 | now I'm going about that on the other machine |
| 07:55.44 | moof2 | in a somewhat different order :) |
| 07:56.01 | rjsalts | moof2: you should only need the headers I think |
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| 08:00.55 | roshanavand | hi, I'm trying to print out a file in a whiptail yesno box, any idea how to do that? |
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| 08:04.11 | MMlosh | Hello.. Is there a way how to find out which package owns a configuration file? |
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| 08:08.20 | rjsalts | MMlosh: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 08:08.52 | rjsalts | MMlosh: unless it was installed by a postinst script |
| 08:10.08 | moof2 | how would one find out for that case? |
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| 08:17.00 | MMlosh | rjsalts, thanks.. I didn't know that works on config files (except for those) |
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| 08:17.03 | GhostInTheShell | roshanavand: whiptail --yesno "'cat filename'" <other options> |
| 08:17.14 | GhostInTheShell | err, replace ' with ` |
| 08:17.27 | MMlosh | in particular I am trying to find out what needs to be installed to obtain /etc/default/locale |
| 08:17.41 | miha | when in install i choose guided partitioning ... encrypted LVM what cipher it actually uses? why there is no option to set it? |
| 08:17.46 | MMlosh | (if anything, of course. Perhaps the file is just missing) |
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| 08:27.09 | rjsalts | MMlosh: at the top of /etc/default/locale # File generated by update-locale |
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| 08:27.36 | MMlosh | mine doesn't have that header (on ubuntu, where it's not missing) |
| 08:27.52 | MMlosh | thanks, I'll try that one |
| 08:28.48 | rjsalts | MMlosh: it's generated in the postinst of locales |
| 08:28.57 | xintron | I needed some packages from debian testing so I added the jessie repository but now it seems that it installs from there as default via apt-get. Is there a way to make wheezy default and still have testing (with -t jessie)? |
| 08:29.30 | rjsalts | xintron: you need pinning, but I'd recommend using backports first |
| 08:29.44 | xintron | rjsalts: care to elaborate? |
| 08:29.56 | moof2 | xintron, also it's possible you've upgraded to either jessie or frankendebian |
| 08:30.04 | rjsalts | xintron: things can get messy with a mixed distribution |
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| 08:30.27 | xintron | ok, so either you go with stable or testing, not mixing :/ |
| 08:30.37 | moof2 | yeah |
| 08:30.54 | moof2 | or, stable + backports, or stable + backporting yourself |
| 08:31.38 | moof2 | the backporting ensures that the libs you have in stable support the backported package properly |
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| 08:32.13 | xintron | And packages in stable only get security updates right? |
| 08:32.49 | moof2 | well testing doesn't need security updates since testing is permitted to change :) |
| 08:33.01 | xintron | Yeah, but stable :) |
| 08:33.16 | rjsalts | moof2: correct, hence the "backports" repo gets uploads of newer versions that maintainers of packages feel are helpful |
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| 08:33.55 | rjsalts | I meant to talk to xintron in last comment |
| 08:33.59 | moof2 | right, like newer kernels and such |
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| 08:34.30 | moof2 | maybe some device is only supported by a newer kernel |
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| 08:35.27 | xintron | I guess i need to make a decision between stable or testing then (or use backports) |
| 08:35.54 | moof2 | what is it you need from testing? |
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| 08:36.51 | xintron | Currently: weechat (and I guess I could compile that manually) |
| 08:37.10 | xintron | Might need one other package as well later on (not decided yet) |
| 08:38.08 | moof2 | that's kinda what backporting is (in debianland, it's taking the debianized source, and compiling, and in the process having a package built for it |
| 08:38.20 | moof2 | ) |
| 08:38.27 | xintron | yeah, I get that |
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| 08:38.46 | moof2 | ok, so I'm just saying, you could do that :) |
| 08:39.00 | xintron | So, then I guess that the packages I have installed since adding jessie to the sources-list is from jessie and not from wheezy :/ |
| 08:39.12 | xintron | Bah, need to revert those packages and install them again |
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| 08:39.19 | moof2 | probably |
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| 08:40.04 | moof2 | what's the approximate purpose of the particular machine where you may have installed testing packages on? |
| 08:41.20 | moof2 | you can run "apt-cache policy <packagename>" to see what came from where |
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| 08:42.52 | xintron | moof2, Private web-hosting and IRC-network node |
| 08:43.20 | xintron | I guess that testing will be "stable" enough but might be a bad idea not running stable instead |
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| 08:43.57 | moof2 | xintron, so at some level it could be considered a production server? |
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| 08:44.02 | xintron | moof2, yes |
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| 08:44.47 | moof2 | ok,,, you might actually be ok, but, you may have jessie packages installed... there should be a package install logfile soemwhere |
| 08:45.09 | moof2 | could you run... |
| 08:45.39 | moof2 | dpkg -s libc6 | grep ^Version |
| 08:45.39 | dpkg | Dingos ate my libc6 | grep ^Version! |
| 08:46.13 | moof2 | dpkg, but didn't you remember, you -are- a dingo?~ |
| 08:46.13 | dpkg | wish i knew, moof2 |
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| 08:46.27 | moof2 | that's what they all say... |
| 08:46.46 | xintron | 2.17-7 |
| 08:47.00 | moof2 | ok, let's see. |
| 08:47.08 | moof2 | , v libc6 |
| 08:47.10 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-7; sid: 2.17-7 |
| 08:47.29 | moof2 | you do have the jessie libc6 |
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| 08:48.01 | xintron | yeah |
| 08:48.10 | moof2 | howbout this... |
| 08:48.43 | moof2 | (cd /var/cache/apt/archives ; ls | grep 2.13-38 |
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| 08:49.29 | xintron | nope, no packages |
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| 08:50.18 | moof2 | if the irc and web servers are functioning right now, that's good... note you are in a fragile situation |
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| 08:50.41 | moof2 | rebooting is ill-advised at this time |
| 08:51.21 | xintron | Not in production right no so no worries :) |
| 08:52.09 | moof2 | you could try downloading the .deb of the right libc6 and try installing that to start with (there are a coupla others, one is locales) |
| 08:52.48 | xintron | Wouldn't it be easier to just uninstall the webserver, irc etc and remove dependencies, remove jessie as source and then installing them again? |
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| 08:55.15 | moof2 | well maybe if that's the effect it has... see, there's one other thing going on, which is that downgrades are not supported, which just means that some packages have associated data, and sometimes there is a convertion function which is applied to that data... it was decided long ago that if a package had this, there wouldn't ever need to be a downgrade conversion included |
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| 08:56.12 | moof2 | the other thing is, you have at least one package that's very close to the core, and which has been upgraded |
| 08:57.06 | moof2 | this could apply: at best, you could restore from your backups, if not, you may be looking at reinstalling the os |
| 08:57.12 | xintron | Then it sounds like it would be easier to just backup the configs I've setup, reset the machine to a clean debian 7 install and start over (with only wheezy as source) |
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| 08:57.31 | moof2 | yeah |
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| 08:57.59 | xintron | At least I learned that it doesn't working mixing packages from stable and other repos :) |
| 08:58.06 | moof2 | and, as the 30-year efnet hackers whisper, don't irc from your irc server :) |
| 08:58.30 | xintron | Amen to that :) |
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| 08:59.48 | xintron | Well, thanks for all the information, time to reset the machine :) |
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| 09:00.31 | jargon | how do u get scrot to prompt for filenames? |
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| 09:00.39 | moof2 | good enough... good luck in getting it back up |
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| 09:01.08 | banjo | hi, is there actually a package in the repo like the old fsv, file system virtualizer? |
| 09:02.01 | imdea | Hi one question.. I'm running debian 7 (wheezy), and because of my setup I need that apache2 gets started at boot time after mysql does, I have edited the /etc/init.d/apache2 file and added $mysql to the line that says "Required-Start" but it is not working. Any ideas? |
| 09:02.11 | moof2 | there might be... packages.debian.org would be a way to find out |
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| 09:02.46 | moof2 | you should run insserv |
| 09:03.03 | moof2 | after you change those lsb lines in init.d scripts |
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| 09:04.11 | imdea | moof2: with any special parameter? |
| 09:04.20 | moof2 | you shouldn't need any |
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| 09:06.36 | moof2 | so, did that work? |
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| 09:06.40 | armetiz | hi there, |
| 09:06.44 | miha | how can i set encryption algorithm in debian encrypted lvm install? |
| 09:06.48 | armetiz | I have a problem with SFTP connection. |
| 09:07.03 | imdea | moof2, no |
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| 09:07.12 | armetiz | I have enable DEBUG LogLevel on sshd |
| 09:07.24 | moof2 | imdea, do you get errors? |
| 09:07.31 | armetiz | SFTP connection is "waiting" on SSHd with the last log : "subsystem request for sftp" |
| 09:07.45 | armetiz | with the debug information, the last information is "debug1: subsystem: exec() /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" |
| 09:08.14 | imdea | moof2, not at all, it's only that apache2 keeps starting up first than mysql |
| 09:08.23 | armetiz | I don't configure choot connection, so I don't need to use "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp", IMHO |
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| 09:10.03 | roshanavand | GhostInTheShell, thanks |
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| 09:11.48 | moof2 | imdea, take a look at one of the runlevel dirs |
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| 09:13.13 | moof2 | does the ls listing of that dir look like it's in the right order? |
| 09:13.20 | imdea | moof2, I have S02apache2 and S03mysql :S |
| 09:14.39 | acsir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:16.15 | moof2 | yeah, insserv is supposed to change that... you could try -f (or --dryrun first) |
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| 09:17.33 | moof2 | and it might be a good idea to check out man insserv |
| 09:17.48 | moof2 | which I had to do to find out some of that stuff |
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| 09:19.53 | imdea | insserv does not work. |
| 09:19.56 | imdea | bug? |
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| 09:20.17 | moof2 | you'd have to be specific about what you mean |
| 09:21.47 | imdea | moof2, more? it's ridiculous. |
| 09:21.57 | armetiz | about my SFTP problem. I added some log on sftp-server, and I only see success message. |
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| 09:22.13 | armetiz | When on server, I do a sftp root@localhost, It's working well |
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| 09:23.54 | armetiz | but on a distant host, "sftp root@myserver", after authentication, I receive no data |
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| 09:24.15 | Arafangion | I seem to be having difficulty with my dependencies. I installed skype, however now I have dependency hell. Apparently skype:i386 depends on libc6:i386 "but it is not going to be installed". |
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| 09:24.41 | Arafangion | There's about a dozen or so such dependencies, how do I resolve this? I feel that this is a multiarch issue and that I don't have it properly setup. |
| 09:24.41 | yctn | can i mount an ext3 as a ext4 partition? |
| 09:25.02 | nullPointer | How to install linux om galaxy tab |
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| 09:25.17 | Arafangion | nullPointer: They already run linux, iirc. |
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| 09:25.32 | moof2 | imdea, if you want others to understand your situation, you need to tell them things they should know to help you... "doesn't work" is no info... (we already know it doesn't work else you wouldn't be saying anything) |
| 09:25.38 | nullPointer | Android |
| 09:25.57 | nullPointer | I need some linux distro |
| 09:26.12 | JuanTambayan | i have one null |
| 09:26.17 | imdea | moof2, I've already explained the situation, so I don't understand I have to explain it over and over again. |
| 09:26.31 | imdea | moof2, I said what I've tried so far. |
| 09:26.34 | nullPointer | Linux on galaxy? |
| 09:26.40 | Arafangion | nullPointer: Android _is_ linux, but someone may have instructions on installing debian on them. Not for the faint of heart but apparently people do it. |
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| 09:26.47 | moof2 | the last thing I got, is you ran insserv |
| 09:27.04 | moof2 | you didn't say anything about the results |
| 09:27.24 | nullPointer | I know but i need linux packages |
| 09:27.48 | nullPointer | I wanna puppy linux on galaxy |
| 09:27.54 | imdea | moof2, what results? i didn't get any output from that. |
| 09:27.56 | moof2 | imdea, one thing, did you try --dryrun or -f? |
| 09:28.08 | nullPointer | Is it possible? |
| 09:28.23 | moof2 | imdea, ok, that indicates insserv didn't throw an error |
| 09:28.49 | moof2 | I suggest --dryrun -v |
| 09:28.50 | imdea | imdea, --dryrun won't update symlinks. Why would I want to run that? |
| 09:29.09 | moof2 | to have it print what it would do |
| 09:29.19 | miha | nullPointer: never tried it, but perhaps see https://guardianproject.info/code/lildebi/ |
| 09:29.27 | miha | nullPointer: on your own risk :D |
| 09:30.12 | Arafangion | is having trouble even *finding* documentation that explains just how multiarch deps should be managed from a user perspective. Every search for his issue comes up with Ubuntu pages. |
| 09:30.15 | imdea | moof2, it just printed: insserv: Loading <service> |
| 09:30.26 | nullPointer | Thanks, miha |
| 09:31.01 | moof2 | that's the exact text of what it said? |
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| 09:31.30 | moof2 | or was it more specific about <service>? |
| 09:31.56 | xintron | There we go, fresh debian install an only wheezy packages |
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| 09:33.03 | xintron | Looks like weechat has their own repo with the latest stable. To use that repo for only installing weechat, I only need to add it to the sources.list and then update weechat? |
| 09:33.07 | nullPointer | miha, can i compile a linux distro for arm? |
| 09:33.52 | moof2 | xintron, you can try that at your own risk (well any dist is your own risk too, no real difference there) |
| 09:33.57 | imdea | moof2, http://paste.debian.net/16126/ |
| 09:34.40 | miha | nullPointer: #debian-arm |
| 09:34.41 | moof2 | oh, gotcha, thanks... |
| 09:34.50 | xintron | moof2: ok. Is there some way to list all packages for a specific dist (so that I don't add one, do an install and get the package from something else than wheezy)? |
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| 09:36.31 | nullPointer | miha thanks |
| 09:36.56 | moof2 | the dry run shows mysql is still started late |
| 09:37.48 | imdea | moof2, i know, it's not changing anything. |
| 09:37.53 | imdea | i need apache2 to start first. |
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| 09:38.55 | moof2 | could you pastebin the /etc/init.d/apache2 script (and might as well do mysql also) |
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| 09:39.52 | guiniol | hello. I'm trying to install debian with raid+dmcrypt+lvm. I'm stuck at the partition disk step. the partitions are created but lvm is not activated so nothing gets mounted and I can't proceed to the next step. Is it possible to mount the partitions manually? Is there anything else I could do? |
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| 09:40.00 | ghostlines | hi all, for some reason whenever I run aptitude update/upgrade I don't get any updates. I can't believe there's been no updates since June 30th for Wheezy, what could be misconfigured? |
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| 09:40.41 | nullPointer | mahi, on freenode? |
| 09:40.59 | DNS | ghostlines: what mirror are you using? |
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| 09:41.38 | moof2 | guiniol, you need a partition for the data (luks physical volume) |
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| 09:42.24 | DNS | ghostlines: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:42.30 | ghostlines | DNS: ftp.nl.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free contrib |
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| 09:42.36 | DNS | hm |
| 09:42.46 | DNS | so maybe there really no updates |
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| 09:42.55 | moof2 | and you need to set up the raid first, then write the partition table |
| 09:42.57 | guiniol | moof2: the encrypted partition is below the lvm |
| 09:42.57 | DNS | in sid i got tons of updates each day |
| 09:43.12 | ghostlines | me too, that's why it strikes me so strange |
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| 09:43.23 | guiniol | moof2: and I created a swap and root logical volumes |
| 09:43.45 | imdea | moof2, http://paste.debian.net/16128/ that's the header of /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 09:43.52 | imdea | that's the import part of the file. |
| 09:43.59 | guiniol | moof2: shouldn't I be able to install on those logical volumes? |
| 09:44.09 | nullPointer | How can do hard disk encryption? |
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| 09:44.24 | Arafangion | How can I resolve this issue? paste.debian.net/16130/ |
| 09:44.36 | Arafangion | I can't get Skype to install. :/ |
| 09:45.14 | guiniol | moof2: the partition disk tool created the filesystem and added the boot,etc,media,var directories too |
| 09:45.18 | moof2 | imdea, one thing, could you verify the service name for in the header is $mysql and not mysql? |
| 09:45.23 | guiniol | but somehow it won't install on it |
| 09:45.43 | Sabbie | Shouldn't scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ get executed when the network adapter comes up? Or do I have to explicitly hook them? |
| 09:45.54 | imdea | moof2: ?? in what header? |
| 09:46.10 | moof2 | in the lsb headers |
| 09:46.49 | moof2 | from what I remember some services don't have $ in front, just the "main ones" and I don't know what the list of those are |
| 09:47.53 | moof2 | quick experiment... edit the apache2 file, and change $mysql to mysql, save the file then try running insserv |
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| 09:50.15 | nullPointer | How can do hard disk encryption? |
| 09:50.48 | nkuttler | nullPointer: read the installer docs? |
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| 09:51.16 | nullPointer | installer? |
| 09:52.03 | DNS | there are some way to encrypt data |
| 09:52.14 | DNS | encfs for example too |
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| 09:52.38 | Arafangion | I use truecrypt, myself, but mostly because I'm stuck with windows most of the time. |
| 09:52.54 | nullPointer | encfs is a package? |
| 09:53.02 | DNS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encfs |
| 09:53.15 | DNS | nullPointer: install cryptkeeper |
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| 09:53.18 | nullPointer | DNS , thanks |
| 09:53.20 | DNS | its a gui for that |
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| 09:54.03 | nullPointer | What encryption realy is? |
| 09:54.28 | DNS | nullPointer: to secure files |
| 09:54.33 | DNS | or what do you mean? |
| 09:54.52 | nullPointer | How do that? |
| 09:55.03 | moof2 | imdea, did you try editing that file? |
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| 09:55.15 | imdea | moof2, what file? |
| 09:55.25 | DNS | nullPointer: since when do you run debian? |
| 09:55.28 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.52 | nullPointer | DNS,How it secure data? |
| 09:55.54 | h0us3cat | Cant i install debian in english but with a Belgian azerty keyboard layout? |
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| 09:56.14 | DNS | nullPointer, for example type: sudo aptitude install cryptkeeper |
| 09:56.19 | nullPointer | I dont use debian |
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| 09:56.27 | miha | h0us3cat: why not? |
| 09:56.29 | nullPointer | Linux mint |
| 09:56.31 | DNS | this will install enfcs and cryptkeeper, or should |
| 09:56.43 | pfo__ | has anyone ever seen that the debian installer is producing garbage output on a remote KVM from a G7 iLO 100 on a text mode run of the debian installer? pre setup and post setup the iLO KVM output looks normal/fine. |
| 09:56.50 | DNS | then you will get a little task icon by starting cryptkeeper and just check the menu |
| 09:56.53 | h0us3cat | If i select english i dont see the option to take the layout |
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| 09:57.07 | moof2 | nullPointer, what happens when you ask the mint people? |
| 09:57.15 | babilen | nullPointer: I would recommend to install the system using LUKS / dm-crypt. This is discussed in the installation guide - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition → |
| 09:57.22 | babilen | nullPointer: |
| 09:57.24 | miha | h0us3cat: keyboard layout screen is after language screen |
| 09:57.32 | babilen | nullPointer: 6.3.3.6. Configuring Encrypted Volumes |
| 09:57.33 | h0us3cat | I know |
| 09:57.41 | h0us3cat | It only shows the english layouts |
| 09:57.50 | babilen | nullPointer: Ah, if you don't use Debian you are wrong here. You want the mint channel. |
| 09:57.53 | babilen | dpkg: mint |
| 09:57.54 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 09:57.58 | babilen | nullPointer: ^^^ |
| 09:58.11 | imdea | moof2, of course, I added the X-Start-Before and added "mysql" at the end of the line starting with "Required-Start" |
| 09:59.06 | babilen | h0us3cat: Yes you can, I think that you might have to install in "expert" mode for that (to be able to configure the language and keyboard layout separately) but I am not sure about that. I always ever install in expert mode, so I am never quite sure what is missing in the non-expert one. |
| 09:59.07 | moof2 | yes, I see. what you added according to the paste is "$mysql" |
| 09:59.19 | moof2 | imdea ^^ |
| 09:59.20 | nullPointer | Ok, thanks all |
| 09:59.55 | imdea | moof2, yes. |
| 10:00.05 | moof2 | I'm just asking you to try a small harmless experiment: remove the $ char from that one word, and try insserv again |
| 10:00.54 | h0us3cat | I <ill check |
| 10:00.56 | imdea | moof2, I've already done it. It doesn't work |
| 10:00.57 | h0us3cat | will* |
| 10:01.22 | moof2 | tried with insserv -f? |
| 10:01.27 | imdea | yes |
| 10:01.35 | moof2 | yeah expected that |
| 10:01.39 | moof2 | hmm. |
| 10:02.07 | moof2 | hey babilen, you have insserv chops? |
| 10:02.12 | imdea | moof2, this is what I'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/16131/ |
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| 10:02.55 | moof2 | ohhh there's a loop |
| 10:03.21 | imdea | why? |
| 10:03.26 | imdea | it doesn't make sense |
| 10:03.31 | moof2 | so I believe the correct name is mysql (not $mysql) |
| 10:03.34 | imdea | as mysql doesn't require apache |
| 10:03.54 | moof2 | maybe it requires something that requires apache |
| 10:03.55 | xintron | moof2, Lucky me, there was repos for those two packages where I needed the latest stable available (backported to wheezy). Now I can run stable but still get the software versions I need :) |
| 10:04.00 | xintron | thanks for your help |
| 10:04.21 | moof2 | welcome :) enjoy... and, back that thing up! |
| 10:04.29 | imdea | moof2, so what can I do? :( |
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| 10:04.52 | moof2 | first off, you have to find the elements of that loop |
| 10:04.53 | hramrach__ | hello |
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| 10:05.07 | hramrach__ | how do you verify debian network install media? |
| 10:05.16 | hramrach__ | can't find any signatures for those |
| 10:05.39 | Arafangion | *sigh*. Looks like I'm going to have to follow *ubuntu* instructions for this. wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO references Ubuntu. |
| 10:05.55 | imdea | moof2, I've already checked the mysql file and it only requires $remote_fs and $syslog, which don't need apache2 |
| 10:06.36 | moof2 | right, they shouldn't |
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| 10:08.28 | moof2 | so if you remove the word mysql from the apache2 file and re-run insserv (no params), it has no output (no news would mean successful result of running insserv) |
| 10:08.49 | moof2 | yes? |
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| 10:12.07 | Arafangion | Odd. Finally discovered "gdebi", somehow that tool resolves the deps, in a way that aptitude can not. |
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| 10:16.01 | imdea | moof2, running it with the -f option you mean? |
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| 10:22.17 | ksuhku | hramrach__, if you're 64 bit, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 10:25.51 | hramrach__ | that's for CD images, not network installer |
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| 10:27.59 | Arafangion | Morons. Tried to pay a bill, but the company's automated payment system doesn't accept my payment because I used three decimal places, exactly as quoted on the form. |
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| 10:29.17 | moof2_ | imdea, find out anything new? |
| 10:30.12 | imdea | now it seems to work |
| 10:30.35 | moof2_ | oh really :) congratulations... what did you find out? |
| 10:31.06 | moof2_ | or did you rename the symlinks yourself? (not a bad thing, just fragile) |
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| 10:35.57 | ksuhku | hramrach__, how about http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 10:36.32 | hramrach__ | no signature s there I could find |
| 10:37.10 | ksuhku | hramrach__, there are both md5 and sha256 sums there |
| 10:37.39 | ksuhku | ah sorry, signatures... not hashes... my bad |
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| 10:38.21 | moof2_ | imdea, anyway, glad you got it working |
| 10:38.37 | imdea | moof2_ thanks |
| 10:39.24 | moof2_ | imdea, still curious how you did it and what you found out |
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| 10:40.35 | imdea | moof2_: i removed all "mysql" inside apache2 header script, then ran insserv, then added it again and ran insserv and it looks to work |
| 10:41.34 | moof2_ | oh, that makes sense in a way, and buggy in another |
| 10:41.45 | moof2_ | and, it's damn good to know |
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| 10:45.11 | moof2_ | imdea, at minimum, if this is new discovery, it should be placed in the man page |
| 10:45.37 | moof2_ | I didn't read the whole thing earlier, and from what I did read, I didn't see that |
| 10:45.56 | imdea | moof2, yes, it's kind of buggy thing |
| 10:46.30 | moof2_ | now we know how the loop got established |
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| 10:46.49 | moof2_ | anyway, awesome! thanks for your research. |
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| 10:49.02 | guiniol | hello. Is there any way to put the installer in verbose mode? There are no errors displayed but I can't get past the paritition disk stage |
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| 10:49.35 | moof2_ | guiniol, there's a log on Alt-F4 |
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| 10:51.30 | guiniol | moof2_: I know but there are no errors there either |
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| 10:52.29 | moof2_ | are the partitions listed in the partition tool the way you want them? |
| 10:52.53 | guiniol | yes |
| 10:53.04 | guiniol | and if I drop to shell I see them |
| 10:53.06 | guiniol | they are formatted |
| 10:53.25 | guiniol | and some directories have been created (etc, boot, etc... |
| 10:53.47 | moof2_ | aha, so they're done? that's strange... but, let's see: if you scroll up all the way in the partition tool, do you see a way to write the partition table and exit? |
| 10:54.11 | guiniol | moof2_: it's all the way down |
| 10:54.21 | moof2_ | oh, and when you select that? |
| 10:54.39 | guiniol | creates the partitions, formats and comes back to the same page |
| 10:55.07 | moof2_ | that's weird, that shouldn't happen |
| 10:55.16 | guiniol | yes |
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| 10:55.41 | guiniol | and the bootstrap-base doesn't want to proceed because the partition tool didn't finish properly |
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| 10:55.57 | moof2_ | which installer is this? (yes, so it's stuck) |
| 10:56.30 | moof2_ | the name of the image file should identify it |
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| 10:57.22 | guiniol | it's testing |
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| 10:57.51 | moof2_ | would you be willing to install stable (maybe base-only) and then upgrade to testing? |
| 10:58.23 | guiniol | let's try it |
| 10:59.19 | moof2_ | you should probably install base-only, since it's the minimum, installing more than that would require the upgrade to install the same thing again |
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| 10:59.29 | guiniol | ok |
| 10:59.31 | ispirto | how can i "output" the iowait without using top |
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| 11:00.20 | moof2_ | were you doing anything special in the partitioner, like lvm/raid/encrypted? |
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| 11:02.35 | moof2_ | BarkingKitty, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbQPIXtGycI |
| 11:02.36 | guiniol | moof2_: raid0 + dm-crypt + lvm |
| 11:02.59 | moof2_ | oh, all three :) |
| 11:03.03 | guiniol | yes |
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| 11:03.25 | guiniol | the raid0 controller of the motherboard sucks, so... |
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| 11:05.14 | moof2_ | most of the time those mobo controllers are fakeraid |
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| 11:06.19 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | can anybody enlighten me? http://paste.debian.net/16138/ |
| 11:06.25 | guiniol | moof2_: yes, but this one is particularly fake and doesn't even show disks under linux |
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| 11:08.19 | moof2_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI, you need to be your own guru for that... was there something more specific you'd like to find out about? |
| 11:09.28 | guiniol | moof2_: base seems to be working |
| 11:09.32 | guiniol | with the same disk setup |
| 11:09.40 | moof2_ | oh, good :) |
| 11:09.49 | guiniol | so there's a problem with the installer in testing |
| 11:09.54 | moof2_ | you got out of the partitioner? |
| 11:10.07 | guiniol | also it seems that the installer in testing doesn't include the lvm module in the initramfs |
| 11:10.14 | guiniol | yes, copying files atm |
| 11:10.19 | moof2_ | well maybe having all three special stuff you wanted had something to do with that |
| 11:10.25 | moof2_ | or some combo |
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| 11:10.49 | moof2_ | someone's going to want to know about this... |
| 11:10.56 | moof2_ | want to file a bug report? |
| 11:11.07 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | moof2_: yes, I'd like to know why does it always (disregarding the 'same test') exit in the second case, as if the logical AND didn't bind stronger |
| 11:11.34 | guiniol | raid0 + lvm works but since the initramfs doesn't have the lvm module so it doesn't boot |
| 11:11.45 | guiniol | moof2_: i can but I have no idea and no log |
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| 11:12.05 | moof2_ | so this isn't working either? |
| 11:12.16 | guiniol | the install just finished |
| 11:12.18 | guiniol | rebooting now |
| 11:12.22 | moof2_ | oh ok |
| 11:12.24 | guiniol | the lvm problem is from testing |
| 11:12.31 | moof2_ | whew |
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| 11:13.16 | guiniol | moof2_: volume group not found |
| 11:13.30 | moof2_ | hmm. |
| 11:13.41 | guiniol | it seems the initramfs doesn't have the module either apparently |
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| 11:13.59 | moof2_ | when it drops you to a shell, could you try vgchange -a y |
| 11:14.22 | guiniol | moof2_: wait |
| 11:14.25 | guiniol | lvm is ther |
| 11:14.26 | guiniol | e |
| 11:14.35 | guiniol | but it never asked for the dm-crypt password |
| 11:14.45 | moof2_ | hmm |
| 11:15.27 | moof2_ | so you have multiple drives... yes? |
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| 11:16.17 | moof2_ | the encrypted PV is on the raid? |
| 11:16.33 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | ok, moo2_, got it :D |
| 11:16.46 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | moof2_*, sorry |
| 11:16.52 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | thanks! |
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| 11:17.16 | moof2_ | no problem... my nick actually stands for mooForTheBull :) |
| 11:17.16 | guiniol | moof2_: yes |
| 11:17.22 | g105b | I've got a crontab set to run every 10 minutes, but it seems that it is only sometimes running every 20 minutes ... I'm new to using crontab, where should I start looking to find out the problem? |
| 11:17.44 | moof2_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI, but... but... I didn't do anything! |
| 11:17.57 | guiniol | moof2_: activating the encrypted volumes unlocks the lvm |
| 11:18.13 | moof2_ | did that require a pw? |
| 11:18.15 | guiniol | how do you tell initramfs to continue booting? |
| 11:18.18 | guiniol | moof2_: yes |
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| 11:18.27 | moof2_ | great... try ctrl-d |
| 11:18.34 | moof2_ | to exit the shell |
| 11:19.02 | guiniol | moof2_: ok |
| 11:19.03 | guiniol | booting |
| 11:19.11 | guiniol | we just need to tell it to ask for the pw now |
| 11:19.19 | moof2_ | let me understand... |
| 11:19.31 | moof2_ | so "vg not found"... |
| 11:19.51 | guiniol | yes |
| 11:19.52 | moof2_ | then drops you to (initramdisk) shell... |
| 11:19.58 | guiniol | because the vg is on the encrypted device |
| 11:20.05 | moof2_ | then you say "vgchange -a y" |
| 11:20.13 | guiniol | and it didn't try to decrypt it so it couldn't find it |
| 11:20.14 | guiniol | yes |
| 11:20.17 | moof2_ | which discovers it requires a password |
| 11:20.21 | moof2_ | asks you for it |
| 11:20.24 | guiniol | no |
| 11:20.26 | moof2_ | activates the vg |
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| 11:20.40 | moof2_ | no? |
| 11:20.43 | guiniol | we had to use cryptsetup luksOpen |
| 11:20.45 | guiniol | and then vgchange -ay |
| 11:20.47 | guiniol | so boot |
| 11:20.53 | guiniol | drop to initramfs rescue |
| 11:21.04 | guiniol | cryptsetup luksOpen |
| 11:21.10 | guiniol | then vgchange -ay |
| 11:21.21 | moof2_ | which requires the passwd? |
| 11:22.08 | moof2_ | the cryptsetup? |
| 11:22.11 | guiniol | yes |
| 11:22.17 | guiniol | cryptsetup asked for the pw |
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| 11:22.42 | guiniol | so the problem comes from the initramfs not "knowing" about cryptsetup |
| 11:22.44 | moof2_ | ok, so once you type that passwd, (not the VG but) the PV is now accessable |
| 11:23.03 | moof2_ | and since the VG sits on it, it's accessable too |
| 11:23.29 | moof2_ | so vgchange -a y activates (and this is required) |
| 11:23.30 | guiniol | yes |
| 11:23.37 | moof2_ | and booting can continue |
| 11:23.41 | guiniol | exaclty |
| 11:24.09 | moof2_ | this is great info |
| 11:24.46 | guiniol | so now I only need to configure the initramfs correctly |
| 11:24.57 | guiniol | so stable is mostly working |
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| 11:25.51 | moof2_ | yeah, and I dont' know how to configure that, or whether code would be required |
| 11:26.13 | moof2_ | like a shell script that does cryptsetup ; vgchange |
| 11:26.57 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | why doesn't this echo but does exit: [ -e /bin/bash ] || echo "missing" && exit 0 ? |
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| 11:27.06 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | moof2_: again please :) |
| 11:27.17 | guiniol | moof2_: reading up on it right now |
| 11:27.58 | moof2_ | someexectuable || echo no && echo yes |
| 11:28.32 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yes, how come OR binds stronger than AND ??? |
| 11:28.56 | chomwitt | how can i edit a factoid of dpkgbot? |
| 11:28.58 | moof2_ | what if you reverse them? |
| 11:29.25 | spreeuw | because || is an or |
| 11:29.40 | spreeuw | not an if |
| 11:29.47 | spreeuw | unless I'm mistaken |
| 11:29.56 | spreeuw | you want an ifthen |
| 11:30.09 | moof2_ | well it's kinda a convoluted looking if |
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| 11:30.21 | nkuttler | chomwitt: no, foo is bar; or foo =~ s/foo/bar/; see also /msg dpkg help |
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| 11:31.16 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | spreeuw: no, it's an OR, but usually AND binds stronger than OR, e.g. in python : 'a or b and c' is the same as 'a or (b and c)' |
| 11:31.24 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | whereas here seems to be the opposite |
| 11:31.24 | chomwitt | nkuttler: ok. do i need special rigths or sth? |
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| 11:31.32 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | is this a known fact for shells? |
| 11:31.45 | nkuttler | chomwitt: no |
| 11:32.21 | spreeuw | he uses an or as an if then |
| 11:32.27 | spreeuw | but thats not supported in bash I think |
| 11:32.31 | spreeuw | but I'm not sure |
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| 11:32.39 | spreeuw | theres a slight linguistical difference too |
| 11:33.32 | chomwitt | nkuttler: ok thanks.i'll try to change http://tinyurl.com/qxgfxtq cause doesnt agree with http://tinyurl.com/2clyoj |
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| 11:34.22 | nkuttler | chomwitt: personally i think tinyurls should be removed.. but whatever you think helps |
| 11:34.35 | moof2_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI, I don't think in /bin/sh there is a difference between && and || |
| 11:35.04 | moof2_ | python has an actual precedence table |
| 11:35.20 | chomwitt | nkuttler: why? i mean what's the problem with tinuurls? |
| 11:35.41 | chomwitt | nkuttler: i ask openminded |
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| 11:35.58 | nkuttler | chomwitt: hides the target |
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| 11:36.24 | paradigmarson | What is the advantage of using wvdial over network manager for 3G dongles? |
| 11:36.26 | moof2_ | chomwitt, one thing that can happen is tinyurl.com could go away and/or delete/edit stuff |
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| 11:36.41 | chomwitt | moof2_: good point |
| 11:36.45 | nkuttler | chomwitt: people seem to use shorteners by default which is bad, and spammer use it, yeah, links could go away, breaks the web etc |
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| 11:37.44 | guiniol | moof2_: we just needed to add a line in /etc/crypttab |
| 11:37.52 | guiniol | updating to testing now |
| 11:38.12 | moof2_ | guiniol, so it was that simple? |
| 11:38.29 | chomwitt | nkuttler: i use it 1)it seem cool :-) 2) in some case urls can get too long (especially in a utf8 url) and i'm not sure if its polite to clutter the channel. |
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| 11:39.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | moof2_: correct, thanks, the operators are just evaluated left to right |
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| 11:39.31 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | since the command returns true, bash jumps to the next && |
| 11:39.40 | chomwitt | but i find good your points ( moof2_ , nkuttler ) so i'll try to avoid them expecpt for really ugly and long urls |
| 11:39.41 | moof2_ | yeah |
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| 11:40.19 | moof2_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI, that should also be true of sh |
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| 11:41.05 | guiniol | moof2_: yes, the installer missed that I guess |
| 11:41.06 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yeah, wouldn't expect feature additions in sh :D |
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| 11:41.35 | moof2_ | guiniol, so the whole thing boils down to that? |
| 11:41.54 | guiniol | for stable, yes |
| 11:42.05 | guiniol | for unstable, who knows |
| 11:42.18 | guiniol | still I should report the bugs |
| 11:42.49 | moof2_ | at this point, we should figure out what package to file against... |
| 11:43.05 | moof2_ | maybe debian-installer if that is a package |
| 11:44.10 | moof2_ | or maybe more specific |
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| 11:45.30 | moof2_ | it's actually the partitioner that should write the line to the file |
| 11:45.42 | moof2_ | or something the partitioner calls |
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| 11:47.55 | abrotman | there's a metapackage for the the CD images if you believe it's specific to the CD images, or fill out an installer report if you believe it's more general |
| 11:48.38 | moof2_ | abrotman, we never determined whether it's the CD images or not |
| 11:48.45 | chomwitt | trying to redefine in dpkgbot the topic 'sections' i get ...but sections is already something else.. |
| 11:49.24 | abrotman | chomwitt: that's why i asked you what you wanted to change it to .. you can msg me the contents if you'd rather |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | moof2_: if you're unclear, just make an installation report |
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| 11:50.27 | abrotman | just make sure you're state that you've used the CD ISO |
| 11:50.28 | abrotman | (and which one) |
| 11:50.29 | moof2_ | abrotman, at this point I believe it's related to using raid + luks lvm |
| 11:50.32 | guiniol | does anyone know if there should be an "update" line in the sources.list for testing? |
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| 11:51.26 | moof2_ | guiniol, you really want to play with testing? ok... that info is in the release notes :) |
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| 11:51.37 | abrotman | moof2_: doesn't sound like a CD image problem |
| 11:51.47 | abrotman | guiniol: no, if you mean the security.debian.org line, then no |
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| 11:52.11 | guiniol | moof2_: not my computer actually |
| 11:52.13 | guiniol | but yes |
| 11:52.45 | moof2_ | I haven't gone to the testing place in years |
| 11:53.00 | chomwitt | abrotman: i'm confused.. i made a question if i need special rigths to dpkgbot and i get a 'no' answer. |
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| 11:53.15 | joshuahh | hi, i have downloaded debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso and installed onto a bootable usb, but for some reason, i cant go any further than the "setup screen".. when ever i press enter on any of the options, it wont go anywhere.. i have tried reflashing the usb multiple times, to no avail. Any suggestions? |
| 11:53.16 | abrotman | chomwitt: you don't, but replacing existing factoids isn't as easy |
| 11:53.40 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok . i see .i'm sending you :-) |
| 11:54.26 | chomwitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.46 | chomwitt | oups. sorry :-/ |
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| 11:55.28 | abrotman | ah, yes you did |
| 11:55.46 | abrotman | chomwitt: maybe a pastebin insteadl?:) |
| 11:56.44 | joshuahh | any ideas ? :S |
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| 12:00.12 | guiniol | moof2_: I think the bug reports should go to the d-i package, any thoughts? |
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| 12:01.55 | moof2_ | they'll reassign it to where it has to get to... maybe all those udebs are maintained by the d-i team |
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| 12:03.18 | moof2_ | abrotman suggested something else... if you are not sure which package is responsible, simply submit an installation report with all the commentary including the full name of the .iso file you installed stable from |
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| 12:05.59 | guiniol | moof2_: I didn't see abrotman comments |
| 12:06.00 | guiniol | m |
| 12:06.00 | guiniol | i guess I'll submit an install report to the cd images meta package then |
| 12:06.42 | abrotman | doesn't thi8nk it's specific to cd images, but whatever .. good luck :) |
| 12:07.04 | moof2_ | I'm not sure an installation report is like a bug report , it's not filed against a package |
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| 12:07.17 | fairway | hi all |
| 12:07.33 | fairway | do I have to install bind9 do make Reverse DNS working on my box= |
| 12:07.35 | fairway | ? |
| 12:07.55 | moof2_ | no |
| 12:08.06 | fairway | I only want to use the reverse dns feature for exim |
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| 12:08.44 | moof2_ | do you want reverse dns for IPs behind a NAT? |
| 12:08.55 | fairway | yes |
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| 12:09.26 | fairway | port forwarding is possible |
| 12:09.53 | moof2_ | so you want (a) to name machines inside your NAT and (b) to have reverse domains for those same machines? |
| 12:10.17 | fairway | exactly! |
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| 12:10.44 | moof2_ | bind9 would work for that. you would have to add zone files. |
| 12:10.52 | fairway | well the IP that is reverse dns-ed is a public IP |
| 12:11.11 | moof2_ | do you only care about public IPs? |
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| 12:11.16 | fairway | yes |
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| 12:11.37 | moof2_ | ok, then you don't need bind9 or to make zone files |
| 12:11.48 | fairway | in that case, what would I have to do? |
| 12:12.22 | moof2_ | well let's see... |
| 12:12.45 | moof2_ | does the exim you're talking about run on a machine with a public IP? |
| 12:13.11 | fairway | unfortunately no |
| 12:14.37 | moof2_ | so receiving would be a challenge... perhaps you would use the exim to send only? |
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| 12:15.27 | abrotman | fairway: are you sure your ISP doesn't handle this ? |
| 12:15.49 | guiniol | abrotman: moof2_ : I think it is a problem with the installer, so I'll just file a bug against d-i and wait for further instructios |
| 12:15.51 | fairway | abrotman: thats what I will check |
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| 12:16.31 | moof2_ | guiniol, that'll work :) be sure to let them know you're expecting said further instructions |
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| 12:25.54 | DrFoo | What would be the best solution to replace gmail *server* for mail, cal, tasks? |
| 12:26.29 | abrotman | DrFoo: google for "linux exchange replacement" .. openexchange and zimbra and horde/imp are some options |
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| 12:27.23 | DrFoo | abrotmat: I was just looking at openexchange. It cost $ though. Looking for free, as in beer (and liberty). It's just for SOHO |
| 12:27.46 | abrotman | DrFoo: i thought they had a free and a pay version |
| 12:28.11 | DrFoo | oh! might be somehting where the webpage steers you to the pay version. I double check |
| 12:28.13 | DrFoo | thanks |
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| 12:28.34 | abrotman | DrFoo: "community edition" is your keyword when googling |
| 12:28.53 | abrotman | if it still exists .. which id' hope so |
| 12:28.57 | DrFoo | ah! that's a good tip |
| 12:29.00 | DrFoo | thanks |
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| 12:29.07 | kaste | DrFoo: if it's just soho maybe even thunderbird does the job |
| 12:29.22 | DrFoo | kaste: thunderbird + gmail is a trainwreck |
| 12:29.23 | kaste | do you need colaboration with others at all? |
| 12:29.24 | abrotman | i think he's looking for the shared calednaring,etc |
| 12:29.37 | DrFoo | no, it's just something for me |
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| 12:29.57 | DrFoo | It's 2013 and lightning still can't sync between gmail natively |
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| 12:30.20 | DrFoo | I can install other add-ons, but it makes the UI very inefficient. |
| 12:30.49 | abrotman | can sunbird? |
| 12:30.50 | abrotman | i guess that's a separate app |
| 12:30.50 | abrotman | (apparently Citadel is another possible option) |
| 12:31.01 | DrFoo | can I ask what you guys use? |
| 12:31.07 | DrFoo | debian.net ? |
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| 12:31.41 | abrotman | DrFoo: i work for a large company, but when I used to do this for a smaller company, we used what you're trying to get away from (but we weren't trying to sync to gmail, etc) |
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| 12:34.27 | abrotman | DrFoo: we also used Horde/Imp for a bit .. |
| 12:34.51 | petn-randall | Mail is the easiest to replace, but calendar+contact lists ist probably trickier. Didn't try tasks yet, don't need a "cloud" todo list anyway. |
| 12:35.25 | petn-randall | The main hindrance IMO with calendar+contacts is that there aren't any proper caldav/carddav sync clients for android |
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| 12:40.22 | Mattix | Hi |
| 12:40.30 | Mattix | Anyone with an iPhone here? |
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| 12:40.54 | wdouglass | Mattix: my wife has one... |
| 12:41.07 | nkuttler | Mattix: how is your question related to Debian? |
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| 12:41.32 | wdouglass | nkuttler: maybe it's some kind of sync question? itunes replacement, that sort of thing? Mattix: what's up? |
| 12:41.37 | Mattix | have you tried to use it from Linux? you know, upload music, PDFs, etc.. |
| 12:41.48 | Mattix | wep, wdouglass |
| 12:41.51 | Mattix | yep* |
| 12:41.58 | abrotman | Mattix: depends on which iphone you have |
| 12:42.03 | Mattix | iPhone 5 |
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| 12:42.09 | nkuttler | there's this gtkpod thing.. i tried it but just use the spare mac in the living room... |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 12:42.32 | wdouglass | Mattix: bunch of info here: http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 12:42.32 | abrotman | Mattix: probably better to google a bit .. i know they had issues with that, not sure if they fixed them |
| 12:42.36 | wdouglass | (I haven't tried any of that) |
| 12:42.47 | Mattix | yeah, I already read the wiki |
| 12:42.56 | nkuttler | apple are pretty good at locking you into their platform.. |
| 12:43.29 | Mattix | but come on, do you really have to do all of this? |
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| 12:43.50 | abrotman | no, you coyuld buy an android device? :) |
| 12:44.00 | wdouglass | Mattix: Not a lot of iphone users hanging out in #debian :) |
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| 12:44.28 | wdouglass | i'll bet you #ubuntu might have some... |
| 12:44.28 | abrotman | Mattix: with the iThing4, you can just plug it in .. the iPhone5 changed some things |
| 12:44.30 | Mattix | all I wanted to do is to mount it as mass storage :/ |
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| 12:45.33 | Mattix | I think I'm selling mine.. just two days of use -.-" |
| 12:45.41 | abrotman | all i wanted was a pony |
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| 12:45.49 | abrotman | cues stew .. |
| 12:46.17 | Mattix | a pony is easier than the guide in the wiki anyway |
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| 12:46.33 | Mattix | first step: Plug the iPhone into an MS Windows or Mac OS X computer |
| 12:46.36 | Mattix | I don't have one!! |
| 12:46.48 | nkuttler | Mattix: oh well :) go get an android |
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| 12:47.29 | abrotman | which midly works because msp or whatever it is in wheezy isn't new enough for some devices |
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| 12:48.33 | Mattix | I'll ask in #ubuntu just in case |
| 12:48.39 | Mattix | thanks |
| 12:48.46 | wdouglass | Mattix: sure...good luck! |
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| 12:52.23 | jsonlee | is there any recommended tool like data locker for debian? |
| 12:53.32 | abrotman | datalocker does what? |
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| 12:54.17 | abrotman | plenty of methods to encrypt storage |
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| 12:56.10 | Arafangion | Mattix: Go to an apple store or someplace, and get them to plug it in for you. |
| 12:56.43 | Arafangion | Oh, on a regular basis, not just to initialise it. Nevermind me then. |
| 12:57.29 | petn-randall | Mattix: Nothing we can do about it if Apple wants to stop you from using your device in sane ways. And requires you to dongle it with a Mac/Windows machine. |
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| 12:58.41 | pha | I feel like an asshat for having bought an iphone... so much hype & too many diehard fans that are clueless - it's OK for apps, but thats about it. |
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| 12:59.03 | abrotman | petn-randall: you can .. you can stop buying their stuff |
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| 12:59.28 | Arafangion | It's actually very nice to dev on, once you get past all the crazyiness of setting up an apple dev account, which are a major, major turn off. |
| 12:59.34 | moof2_ | or never start |
| 12:59.43 | pha | it's not even buying... it's like buying a $300 phone and donating $200 to their FU fund |
| 13:00.00 | Arafangion | pha: Plus an extra $100/year for the dev account. |
| 13:00.14 | pha | wtf really? |
| 13:00.15 | petn-randall | abrotman: I did, they're still in business. :( |
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| 13:00.35 | pha | *shakes his head* |
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| 13:00.52 | moof2_ | how much does that phone cost to mfgr? a dollar? |
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| 13:01.03 | Arafangion | pha: Oh, and get this: You can *only* dev on it with a mac. :) |
| 13:01.09 | pha | in all seriousness, maybe $50 |
| 13:01.20 | pha | gotta remember the gorilla glass is made in good ol Kentucky |
| 13:01.21 | D4T | hi all, how do I get my promiscuous NIC to ignore arp traffic? for some reason reason my system decides to send traffic via the promisc NIC even though it has no IP assigned… any ideas anyone? |
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| 13:01.57 | Arafangion | D4T: I don't think you can? You might be able to setup a firewall if you still want promisc? |
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| 13:02.36 | pha | this install is taking forever... supposed to be quicker on a ssd.. |
| 13:02.44 | abrotman | petn-randall: tell your friends and enemies! :) |
| 13:03.05 | pha | Arafangion: doesn't surprise me in the slightest |
| 13:03.18 | pha | but then again, vb or vmware and install osx |
| 13:03.20 | D4T | Arafangion: hmmm the idea is that the NIC is seeing traffic from a mirrored switch port (I'm using NTOP) |
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| 13:03.34 | moof2_ | and your frenemies and enemends |
| 13:03.37 | pha | I think less of anyone with a mac |
| 13:04.01 | Arafangion | pha: You're not really allowed to install osx in a non-mac VM. |
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| 13:04.17 | pha | i'm not allowed to really download music for free either |
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| 13:05.07 | Arafangion | pha: Apparently some music is free online, but I don't download any. Not a music man. |
| 13:05.49 | pha | Arafangion, yeah, a lot of people I know use that spotify now. |
| 13:06.00 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 13:06.18 | pha | has to be the first time in history I've ever heard someone say their not a music person though |
| 13:06.45 | Arafangion | pha: I'm deaf, and I think what abrotman means to say is that we've gone off topic far enough. :) |
| 13:06.49 | scofflaw | yea, that strieks me as odd |
| 13:06.56 | scofflaw | strikes.. oh well then, that explains it! |
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| 13:07.08 | Arafangion | scofflaw: Heh. |
| 13:07.11 | abrotman | there's a whole #debian-offtopic where I'll happily join in the apple-bashing :) |
| 13:07.38 | pha | Arafangion, ahh, that explains it... and something tells me you are right, heh. |
| 13:08.34 | pha | abrotman, heh, point taken! |
| 13:08.34 | D4T | Arafangion: think I found it, ifconfig eth3 -arp :) |
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| 13:08.57 | Arafangion | D4T: Awesome - thanks for that, too. :) |
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| 13:09.46 | D4T | Arafangion: now I have to figure out why my "ip neighbor show" keeps saying my gateway is stale or delay :( lol |
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| 13:15.48 | dp | can I have python2 and python3 installed on my debian box simultaneously? |
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| 13:23.01 | SirLagz | Hi everyone, is there a way to reset Debian so that it asks all the intial configuration questions that it normally asks on Install ? |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | SirLagz: such as which questions |
| 13:23.45 | SirLagz | hostname, timezone |
| 13:23.48 | SirLagz | uhh..... |
| 13:24.14 | SirLagz | those ones...lol, I don't remember exactly which ones get asked |
| 13:24.32 | SirLagz | network configuration |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | not really .. you can change those things manually though |
| 13:24.40 | Bomfunk | Why would you need the questions? You can change that stuff without them. |
| 13:24.54 | SirLagz | deploying debian virtual machines |
| 13:25.12 | SirLagz | Be easier if on bootup, it'd ask me all those questions again so i can set them up without running individual commands |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | SirLagz: /win 3 |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | ignore that |
| 13:25.35 | Bomfunk | Questions require answer, commands can be automated |
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| 13:25.38 | Arroyo1010 | Hi guys. Did anyone manage to compile primus on debian? My coleague has an optimus nvidia card in his laptop, and we set up bumblebee without a problem, but he needs primus in order to run steam games on it. Has anyone had any success in compiling it? |
| 13:26.06 | SirLagz | Bomfunk, I want questions because I'd like to provide different answers each time it runs |
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| 13:26.27 | Bomfunk | Still can be automated. |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | !tell SirLagz about fai |
| 13:26.42 | Bomfunk | Anyway, I believe that the installer contains the questions. So not possible without it |
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| 13:26.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell SirLagz about preseed |
| 13:26.52 | SirLagz | how can I automate it when I don't know what answers to give ? |
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| 13:27.03 | abrotman | SirLagz: a script .. |
| 13:27.18 | SirLagz | so I need to rewrite the script each time ? |
| 13:27.34 | SirLagz | I think I'm confused. |
| 13:27.37 | Bomfunk | One single script can do all the machines. |
| 13:27.48 | SirLagz | Ok, so does the script ask me the questions then ? |
| 13:28.04 | SirLagz | or feed the script parameters ? |
| 13:28.10 | Bomfunk | If you will make it to, then yes. |
| 13:28.14 | Bomfunk | Whatever you'd prefer. |
| 13:28.28 | SirLagz | I see...so really I'm just writing my own version of what Debian asks me initially ? |
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| 13:28.50 | Bomfunk | Debian installer* |
| 13:28.56 | SirLagz | Yes, Debian Installer. sorry |
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| 13:29.10 | SirLagz | What I'm doing at the moment (just starting out) is playing around with VMWare |
| 13:29.13 | Bomfunk | You want to do what installer does without installer itself, so yeah. |
| 13:29.15 | SirLagz | Cloning a machine to make a new machine |
| 13:29.35 | SirLagz | Redhat had sysunconfig I think it was, which wipes all machine specific settings |
| 13:29.39 | SirLagz | Debian doesn't have anything like that ? |
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| 13:30.40 | Arafangion | SirLagz: Debian has rm -rf /etc |
| 13:30.54 | SirLagz | lol...close enough...but I think that could cause some issue :P |
| 13:31.02 | pha | http://wiki.excito.org/wiki/index.php/Revert_to_minimal_Debian_installation |
| 13:31.11 | pha | ^ SirLagz |
| 13:31.12 | Arafangion | SirLagz: Maybe. ;) |
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| 13:31.47 | SirLagz | Thanks pha ! |
| 13:31.50 | SirLagz | I'll have a read through that |
| 13:31.55 | SirLagz | Also, thanks everyone else :) |
| 13:32.12 | dreddyi | can somebody tell me where I need write ratelimits for exim 4.7 in debian 6 to make it work? |
| 13:32.20 | dreddyi | hi all ^^" |
| 13:32.25 | pha | SirLagz: np, packages are a bit out of date, but principles are the same. |
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| 13:34.07 | dreddyi | somebody? |
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| 13:39.04 | pha | dreddyi: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html |
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| 13:44.13 | dreddyi | pha, thx... will try to resolve myself.... |
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| 13:47.59 | rdz | hi all. i upgraded to wheezy and since then amavisd posts ~8 times more messages to syslog. does that ring a bell for somebody? |
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| 13:51.57 | pha | rdz: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amavisd-new |
| 13:52.59 | rdz | pha, thanks. I already read this page. Did you find useful information regarding my problem there? |
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| 13:54.48 | pha | rdz: it's nothing to worry about... that explains what it is/does... if you don't want it: /etc/init.d/amavis stop |
| 13:55.36 | guiniol | abrotman: moof2_ : bugs submitted |
| 13:55.45 | rdz | pha, ah.. i know what is supposed to do, but i couldn't find the reason why it posts so many more messages than before the wheezy upgrade |
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| 13:56.20 | rdz | and of course, I want it to run, it's running on one of our smtp relays |
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| 13:56.58 | pha | rdz: what is it posting to syslog? |
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| 13:58.26 | mercutio22 | j python |
| 13:58.49 | moof2_ | jpython? |
| 13:59.08 | moof2_ | python in... java?! |
| 13:59.14 | dmbaturin | jython? |
| 13:59.25 | moof2_ | oh yeah, that thing... |
| 13:59.50 | dmbaturin | There is even .Net implementation (IronPython). |
| 14:00.18 | dmbaturin | I think python can be implemented on top of any machine, no matter stack or register one. |
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| 14:01.50 | moof2_ | I have two debian machines, one of them I can install virtualbox, and the UI seems to be working... the other, when I ask to install virtualbox, it doesn't, but it installs a couple of related packages... what could be wrong? |
| 14:02.03 | SirLagz | what does it install ? |
| 14:02.21 | moof2_ | one of them is virtualbox-qt |
| 14:02.46 | jhutchins | moof2_: perhaps virtualbox is already installed. |
| 14:03.00 | jhutchins | moof2_: Is your sources.list the same on both machines? |
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| 14:03.41 | rdz | pha, it looks like normal messages like this: Jul 15 00:08:27 hostname amavis[25967]: (25967-02) Passed CLEAN {RelayedInbound}, [yy.yy.yy.yy]:45179 [80.xx.xx.xx] <yyyyyyy@yyyyyyy.com> -> <xxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.com>, Queue-ID: 7132C27452C, Message-ID: <xxxxxxx@xxxx.com>, mail_id: 2kLAsDzn7lag, Hits: -1.9, size: 2923, queued_as: 4AE3F27453B, 1651 ms |
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| 14:03.48 | moof2_ | jhutchins, no probably not |
| 14:04.08 | rdz | pha, i'm not worried, but i wonder why the amount changed so significantly |
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| 14:05.46 | moof2 | jhutchins, and I thought I'd have to purge/reinstall to get it to build the kernel module, so I purged before installing |
| 14:06.01 | moof2 | it does look like a sources issue |
| 14:07.05 | pha | rdz, you need to change the $log_level = 5; ... it's based on 0-5 |
| 14:07.06 | moof2 | (the purge/reinstall did cause it to try again to build, so I could try getting things right (turned out that meant headers, image, source of kernel needed to all be installed) |
| 14:07.13 | moof2 | ) |
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| 14:07.32 | pha | rdz, if it's just an upgrade from squeeze -> wheezy and you didn't change anything, I assume the logs are just 'reporting more'. |
| 14:07.50 | pha | rdz, especially if it's not errors it's posting. |
| 14:08.04 | colo-work | what's the go-to channel to bitch about tomcat's packaging in Debian? :) |
| 14:08.45 | moof2 | colo-work, /msg alis help |
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| 14:09.20 | colo-work | moof2, I know the alis service, tried *debian*java* and *debian*tomcat* already, but there's no (active) channel, apparently |
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| 14:09.36 | pfo__ | @colo-work the solution is to use jetty. |
| 14:09.41 | moof2 | why not try to contact the maint? |
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| 14:10.12 | nullPointer | How to install debian on galaxy tab |
| 14:10.34 | moof2 | colo-work, oh, very good; didn't know you tried that |
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| 14:11.36 | colo-work | pfo__, hi ;) don't know if that's feasible, our app has certain "special needs"... |
| 14:12.18 | colo-work | it doesn't seem more actively maintained than tomcat in Debian either |
| 14:12.22 | rdz | pha, ok. thanks |
| 14:12.26 | mtn | nullPointer: that is good question for google |
| 14:13.57 | pha | rdz, np. |
| 14:14.06 | Arafangion | colo-work: If it's sucha mission-critical component, why not compile it yourself? |
| 14:14.49 | nullPointer | Any experience? |
| 14:14.50 | colo-work | Arafangion, because, oddly, I prefer to have distro support for the "mission-critical" stuff we have. I'd be running LFS if that weren't important for me... |
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| 14:15.22 | mtn | nullPointer: yes, I use google all the time :P |
| 14:15.33 | Arafangion | colo-work: There's a large difference between LFS and compiling the few extra packages for a major service. |
| 14:15.44 | Arafangion | colo-work: But your point is noted. |
| 14:15.58 | nullPointer | Any experience? |
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| 14:16.19 | colo-work | Arafangion, I do have a manual backport for tomcat7 (from sid to wheezy) ready, but sid doesn't offer the latest version (with important CVEs fixed) either. |
| 14:16.37 | pha | *slaps nullPointer with a trout* |
| 14:16.52 | colo-work | the debian package of tomcat is quite heavily diverging from upstream, so I'd prefer not to spend several days with beating everything into shape |
| 14:17.08 | Arafangion | colo-work: So copmile it yourself and put it into /opt? |
| 14:17.16 | Arafangion | colo-work: (Note: I haven't made my own tomcat) |
| 14:18.03 | colo-work | I did plenty of my own tomcat deployments at my last job. it's kind of a pain. we already have a debian fs-layout compatible config that I'd like to retain as-is. |
| 14:18.55 | Arafangion | Fair enough. |
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| 14:19.11 | colo-work | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-3544 and friends is what bothers me |
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| 14:21.05 | Arafangion | That explains why you've got a manual backport, then. |
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| 14:27.24 | moof2_ | jhutchins, wait it's working I think |
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| 14:28.30 | moof2_ | it's installed |
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| 14:42.41 | luky | i have a problem with vpn and pinging the internet over the ip adress from site right |
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| 14:43.06 | luky | two sites left with ext ip: 1.1.1.1 internal ip: 192.168.0.1 and a windows client with 192.168.0.2; and on the right site 2.2.2.2 external ip and 192.168.1.1 the internal ip |
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| 14:43.36 | luky | windows client can ping 192.168.1.1 and the other way round what the client is not able to go the internet via site b |
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| 14:57.36 | kaste | is this debian related luky ? |
| 14:57.53 | luky | yeah operating system debian squeeze |
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| 14:59.39 | luky | the openswan server on the right side is installed on a debian 6.0 |
| 15:00.53 | miha | luky: if you can ping other network, but cant go to internet, check your route/gateway? |
| 15:01.12 | miha | perhaps traceroute some internet ip |
| 15:02.36 | miha | luky: also always check if you can ping some ip and only dns doesnt work |
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| 15:04.54 | el-linedash | hrm; something must have changed with how networking is handled in deb 6 vs 7... |
| 15:05.10 | el-linedash | my old /etc/network/interfaces file : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c96004f6/ |
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| 15:05.49 | el-linedash | when I tried it on the debian 7 install, it tells me cannot find device 'front' or 'back' |
| 15:06.20 | el-linedash | any thoughts? |
| 15:06.52 | b0ss_ | I'm studying bash shell and I've noticed the files under /etc/init.d do not have .sh extension. Nevertheless they are automatically executed. Why ? |
| 15:07.17 | el-linedash | they don't have to have the .sh extension; their interpreter is defined by the shebang |
| 15:07.21 | el-linedash | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:07.38 | miha | and extensions mean nothing on linux. they have +x (executable) file permission |
| 15:07.55 | miha | ls -l |
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| 15:10.43 | ChrisH | b0ss_: files below /etc/init.d/ are executed from System-V startup process (init) via their links in /etc/rc?.d/ And as said before, only the execution bit does matter |
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| 15:11.36 | b0ss_ | ok, thank you guys |
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| 15:13.50 | luky | miha: here is the traceroute http://nopaste.info/e96571b288.html |
| 15:14.12 | luky | it goes to 192.168.0.1 and then to 192.168.1.1 and then it stops |
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| 15:18.53 | pfo__ | I'm trying to get the recent puppet from puppetlabs during a preseed install, the following code: http://nopaste.narf.at/show/2238/ |
| 15:19.14 | pfo__ | sadly the source don't contain the puppetlabs repo and puppet is installed from the standard wheezy repos from debian |
| 15:19.25 | pfo__ | any clue hints what I might have missed? |
| 15:19.33 | ChrisH | luky: I did not understand your request. but 2 things to be checked here. 1) routing on the VPN Server for all nets OK? 2.) IP Forward on the VPN Server active? |
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| 15:21.35 | luky | ChrisB ipforwarding is set to 1 |
| 15:21.58 | luky | routing table you can see here: http://nopaste.info/e96571b288.html |
| 15:22.16 | luky | at the end of the file |
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| 15:24.06 | kaste | you have two defaults |
| 15:24.42 | kaste | also the second local network rule is confusing me |
| 15:24.43 | miha | traceroute shows it reaches 91.* so check that hosts |
| 15:25.16 | entr90y | el-linedash, interesting... whats in your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 15:25.52 | kaste | luky: why is the default gw on the windows pc 192.168.3.1? Is that even a configured address? |
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| 15:26.19 | luky | no but u see a static route to 8.8.8.8 via 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:26.30 | el-linedash | entr90y, just figured it out - I'm being a noob :) |
| 15:26.35 | el-linedash | bridge-utils wasn't installed |
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| 15:26.49 | el-linedash | either it was a default on 6 or more likely, I forgot to add it to my documentation |
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| 15:28.44 | miha | luky: 192.168.1.1 seems fine, the next server is problem |
| 15:28.48 | kaste | luky: give us ipconfig -a on the windows box and ip addr on the linux one, this looks wrong |
| 15:29.14 | luky | even if i say ip: 192.168.0.2 sn: 255.255.255.0 gw: 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:29.17 | luky | it wont work |
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| 15:32.57 | delvalle26_ | couldn't resist, moved from testing to sid. All I can say is thank you for the wonderful work! |
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| 15:34.43 | luky | http://nopaste.info/d010905b21.html here it is |
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| 15:43.05 | kaste | luky: did you try sniffing the pakets? |
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| 15:43.31 | luky | with what? |
| 15:43.34 | luky | tcpdump? |
| 15:43.36 | kaste | tcpdump |
| 15:43.53 | g105b | I've got a hostname saved to a file, and want to curl to that hostname ... Should I somehow extract the file to a shell variable and inject it in, or can anyone come up with a better solution? |
| 15:44.00 | kaste | My gut says you actually want ip in ip technology or tun/tap |
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| 15:44.56 | luky | kaste here is tcpdump of icmp echo reply ttp://znc.in) |
| 15:44.57 | luky | * StathisA hat die Verbindung getrennt () |
| 15:44.57 | luky | * pr0ggie (~p@50708DEC.static.ziggozakelijk.nl) hat |
| 15:45.09 | luky | http://nopaste.info/bc78eeef0b.html |
| 15:45.27 | el-linedash | g105b, use while read |
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| 15:45.45 | kaste | g105b: curl $(cat file) ? |
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| 15:46.15 | el-linedash | while read -r line ; do host $line ; done < somefile |
| 15:46.24 | el-linedash | assuming you have more than one hostname listed |
| 15:46.28 | g105b | kaste: so simple, thanks! |
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| 15:47.58 | Firadin | Does anyone have experience with installing Debian on a UEFI machine? |
| 15:48.16 | el-linedash | I did a uefi boot on this last install |
| 15:48.17 | el-linedash | sup |
| 15:48.28 | Firadin | I'm running a Lenovo Y400 and trying to install Debian but I did the standard install from a live USB and my computer still boots straight into windows 8 |
| 15:48.39 | Firadin | is there something special I need to do when I install? |
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| 15:49.20 | el-linedash | okay; I'll say now I have no experience with dual-booting - so I'm uncertain how you're supposed to handle two instances |
| 15:49.25 | el-linedash | but did you grub-install ? |
| 15:49.37 | el-linedash | or more to the point; did you allow it to install grub when you did the install? |
| 15:49.42 | el-linedash | and did you use a usb key to install it? |
| 15:49.58 | Firadin | I dont think so, all I did was just plug the USB in and go through the installer on it |
| 15:50.03 | Firadin | i did use a usb key |
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| 15:50.47 | el-linedash | okay; I'm not sure if they fixed the issue where grub didn't install to the correct drive if a usb stick was present or if that bug is present on your install |
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| 15:50.58 | el-linedash | boot to rescue cd and do grub-install |
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| 15:51.16 | el-linedash | there's plenty of instructions around on how to do a safe grub-install |
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| 15:51.32 | Moonlightning | I'm following the release notes' guide to upgrading to Wheezy. I got to section 4.3 and noticed that my current /etc/apt/sources.list ( https://pastee.org/kyq3e ) is a lot different from the one suggested. What should I do? |
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| 15:51.49 | Firadin | how do i know which drive to install grub to? |
| 15:52.23 | entr90y | mostly into mbr of your sda... |
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| 15:53.18 | kaste | luky: My guess is the setup as you imagine it won't work. You are trying to send an ip from 192.168.0.2 to 8.8.8.8, this will probably reach 192.168.1.1 and maybe it even forwards it but at least at the next hop it will just get discarded |
| 15:53.39 | kaste | private address are strictly not routed on the internet |
| 15:54.11 | kaste | and even if google got the packet it wouldn't know where to send the return |
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| 15:54.54 | luky | ok then what would be the solution? masquerading? |
| 15:54.54 | gernot | Moonlightning, I don't see specific sources.list-related suggestions in that section. Yours looks just fine, so change 'squeeze' to 'wheezy' and you're good to go. |
| 15:55.06 | kaste | If you now enabled masquerading on the server then that private ip would get replace by the public ip and maybe if you got your routing right it might work |
| 15:55.16 | kaste | But hoenstly I don't get your whole setup |
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| 15:55.25 | kaste | your private network on the server as is is pointless |
| 15:55.27 | Moonlightning | gernot: 4.3.1 says to add a single line and comment all the rest? ==> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 15:55.44 | Tinned_Tuna | Hello, does the Securing Debian manual still stand? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto ? |
| 15:55.46 | Moonlightning | (Replacing that URI with the ./debian of the closest mirror) |
| 15:55.55 | Tinned_Tuna | Because if it does, who do I ask to update http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.5 |
| 15:56.18 | Tinned_Tuna | since man 3 crypt shows debian is able to support vastly better password hashing mechanisms :-p |
| 15:56.38 | luky | kaste why should it be pointless? |
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| 15:57.05 | kaste | The idea of a vpn as I know it usually involves the private subnet to be shared |
| 15:57.09 | Tinned_Tuna | Ah, there's an Authors section at the beginning |
| 15:57.24 | luky | and this happens |
| 15:57.32 | luky | but my goal is to do QoS over VPN |
| 15:57.36 | luky | over the internet |
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| 15:58.02 | luky | vor VoIP and so on |
| 15:58.04 | Moonlightning | You can't connect a VPN to the Internet; you need some kinda gateway. |
| 15:58.21 | kaste | how would this happen your side A sits in 192.168.0.0/24 and the other one in 192.168.1.0/24 those are disjoint |
| 15:58.24 | Moonlightning | i.e. machines not on the VPN cannot communicate easily with those on it over it. |
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| 16:01.17 | g105b | Does curl $URL1 && curl $URL2 perform both curl requests simultaneously, or does it wait for the first to finish? |
| 16:01.24 | kaste | the latter |
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| 16:01.33 | kaste | and if it fails, it doesn't do it at all |
| 16:01.35 | musca | no |
| 16:01.44 | musca | kaste: yes |
| 16:01.56 | Moonlightning | g105b: you might want & instead. |
| 16:01.57 | dAnjou | hey, why is it that packages in squeeze-backports are newer than in wheezy? |
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| 16:02.08 | Moonlightning | That will background the first and run the second in the foreground at the same time. |
| 16:02.17 | g105b | Sorry for newbieness, but what's the difference between & and &&? |
| 16:02.19 | Moonlightning | Although it might cause garbled output. |
| 16:02.31 | Moonlightning | g105b: in a shell context, they are /completely/ different. |
| 16:02.55 | Moonlightning | `foo &` runs foo in the background |
| 16:02.57 | g105b | Moonlightning: I'm using --output on curl, so that shouldn't matter should it? |
| 16:03.10 | dAnjou | g105b: & sends a process to the background; && executes a commend only when the previous one exited successful |
| 16:03.13 | Moonlightning | `foo && bar` runs foo, and then runs bar if foo exited with status 0 |
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| 16:03.25 | g105b | ah brilliant, thanks |
| 16:03.27 | Moonlightning | g105b: I mean stdout|stderr |
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| 16:04.01 | Moonlightning | It'll work, but the progress indicators will likely be garbled (this from my past experience with &) |
| 16:04.39 | luky | kaste which masquerade command should i use then? |
| 16:04.48 | g105b | all I'm looking for is a way to run multiple calls to REALLY slow servers at the same time... this seems to be it. |
| 16:05.05 | jhutchins | !ipmasq |
| 16:05.25 | luky | oh that would be a small problem :D |
| 16:05.36 | dpkg | Network Address Translation (NAT) modifies IP address information in packet headers during transit across a router. IP masquerading is a form of NAT. Install the <iptables> package, then read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ for more information. Related Debian packages include <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <iptables-persistent>. |
| 16:05.43 | luky | the last time i installed ipmasq my server was not reachable any more and i had to reinstall |
| 16:07.22 | Moonlightning | g105b: I would try to find an option to curl to make them download at the same time. |
| 16:07.41 | Moonlightning | Failing that, I would use a terminal multiplexer (e.g. tmux, screen) to run them both at once, in separate terminals |
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| 16:08.21 | Moonlightning | tends to shy away from using & for programs that use stdout or stderr at all |
| 16:08.22 | g105b | Moonlightning: this is being run by cron |
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| 16:08.51 | Moonlightning | In that case, you could make them separate cronjobs. Or, yeah, just use &. |
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| 16:09.18 | Moonlightning | And make sure cron isn't going to send you and mail (unless you /want/ that) |
| 16:10.22 | g105b | thanks for your advice, very helpful for a newbie :) |
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| 16:11.16 | Moonlightning | g105b: You're welcome. :) |
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| 16:11.49 | Moonlightning | By the way, -s (--silent) will mute `curl`s progress meters. If I was going to use & with curl, I would use that (to avoid the garbling I mentioned earlier) |
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| 16:12.26 | Moonlightning | `curl -s $whatever` looks better to me than `curl $whatever >/dev/null 2>&1` xD |
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| 16:15.34 | tx | Hey guys, I have this weird issue where after bringing my laptop out of sleep, the audios pitch / frequency is higher. |
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| 16:15.52 | tx | I'm using pulseaudio with an ICH9 chipset (82801I) |
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| 16:18.58 | dAnjou | hey, why is it that packages in squeeze-backports are newer than in wheezy? e.g. http://packages.debian.org/redis-server |
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| 16:32.47 | daswort | hi i set the grub timeout To zero and New i cant unter grub via pressing shift |
| 16:33.44 | el-linedash | change it back with a live-cd ? |
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| 17:08.49 | riceandbeans | when you use apt and it references a database, what kind of database is it using for the packages? |
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| 17:10.44 | mikeybs | dpkg is trying to wget a file from the web, but the file no longer exists in the location it is trying to retrieve it. I found the correct file somewhere else, can I take this file and put it where dpkg will find it? so that it does not need to wget it? |
| 17:10.46 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, mikeybs |
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| 17:11.22 | mikeybs | what does that mean? |
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| 17:13.37 | Th0masR0ss | mikeybs: it means dpkg doesn't know what you're talking about. dpkg is a bot and it thinks you were addressing it because you started your message with "dpkg" |
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| 17:13.48 | flux242 | dpkg is a bot but he has sense of humor |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | flux242: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:14.04 | Th0masR0ss | Yup |
| 17:14.06 | mikeybs | ah, ok, can I assume the rest of the room can read my question? |
| 17:14.25 | Th0masR0ss | mikeybs: yes we can read the question. |
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| 17:14.54 | flux242 | now post us something else to read |
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| 17:15.51 | mikeybs | that's the only question I have at the moment :) There must be some directory I can drop that file into... |
| 17:17.00 | riceandbeans | so no one can answer me? |
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| 17:17.20 | flux242 | you can use dpkg to install a deb file but it doesn't handle dependencies |
| 17:17.26 | Th0masR0ss | riceandbeans: a debian repository |
| 17:18.02 | flux242 | hm, I mentioned dpkg but it didn't answer me |
| 17:18.18 | Th0masR0ss | flux242: only when you start |
| 17:18.18 | flux242 | he's bored |
| 17:18.22 | Th0masR0ss | with dpkg |
| 17:18.23 | miha | mikeybs: probably not good answer, but if you have a web server installed locally, you set /etc/hosts www.something.com 127.0.0.1 and put file in right directory in your web server. i know i'm bad :p |
| 17:18.31 | Th0masR0ss | dpkg give us the answer |
| 17:18.32 | dpkg | gives us the answer |
| 17:19.17 | Th0masR0ss | dpkg give Th0masR0ss a chocolate bar |
| 17:19.17 | dpkg | gives Th0masR0ss a chocolate bar |
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| 17:20.58 | mtn | mikeybs: are you going to install the package with dpkg? |
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| 17:22.07 | miha | that's how i deal with problems: nuke them |
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| 17:24.28 | mikeybs | miha: that worked, thanks :) |
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| 17:24.41 | miha | mikeybs: i thought you'd complain :) |
| 17:26.07 | riceandbeans | Th0masR0ss: I meant sqlite or some other type of database... |
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| 17:29.09 | dmannn | hey guys me again :) silly question @ the beginning : when is the first time after boot up cron kicks in ? |
| 17:29.28 | dmannn | "kicks in" = first time it checks for scripts or commands |
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| 17:30.15 | digdilem | dmannn, educated guess: the first whole minute after cron is started |
| 17:30.19 | dmannn | is it login or login + 30 sek or login + 60 sek ? |
| 17:30.28 | digdilem | login doesn't come into it |
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| 17:31.21 | dmannn | sry dont understand what u mean |
| 17:31.31 | flux242 | it's cron started + 0 seconds |
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| 17:31.57 | digdilem | dmannn, system processes like cron don't wait for you to login, they just run |
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| 17:32.15 | miha | mikeybs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687348 this seems to be better way |
| 17:32.40 | ChrisH | dmannn: cron gets started by init or systemd and then it starts it job at the next time the seconds switch from 59 to 00 |
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| 17:35.49 | dmannn | hmm... so even stuff writen into crontab -e for each user are all executed before someone logs in ? |
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| 17:36.17 | dmannn | sorry for asking such questions i just want to get it right :) |
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| 17:37.03 | ChrisH | dmannn: sure. its a systems crontab and for servers you use different users for different applications. And you want and need cronjobs run for that application. |
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| 17:39.07 | dmannn | okay thank u alot ChrisH for helping me again :) |
| 17:40.40 | Nappz | I'm having trouble getting my system to boot after replacing a HDD in its software RAID 1 array. I booted into a live CD and partitioned the new drive properly, added it to the array, and completed the rebuilt. However, the system still won't boot. I only have remote access to it via ssh. Any ideas? |
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| 17:41.51 | petn-randall | Nappz: You need to reinstall the boot loader. |
| 17:41.53 | ChrisH | Nappz: first guess: missing install-grub or grub-install? You should have done this on both mirror parts before and add some (tested) grub code to boot from both mirrors :) |
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| 17:43.05 | Nappz | Yeah I didn't mess with the bootloader at all, didn't think I needed to. Would I just do grub-install /dev/md1 in this case? |
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| 17:43.45 | doomster | Greetings! |
| 17:44.44 | ChrisH | Nappz: I am not 100% sure, but IIRC I did it onto the underlying disks or partitions. |
| 17:45.16 | Nappz | ChrisH : Hmm ok |
| 17:45.24 | doomster | I'm looking for something similar fakeroot, a tool that runs a program in an environment where any files written are intercepted and only reflected to that program. |
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| 17:52.31 | pippijn | hi |
| 17:52.52 | pippijn | I'm making a debian package, and used dh_make to get an initial setup |
| 17:53.06 | pippijn | then, I built the program with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:53.22 | pippijn | and although debian/tmp/ contains an installation, the package is empty |
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| 18:00.46 | narcos | Hi all. How do I get SSH to start on boot? On Ubuntu I'd do something like 'update-rc.d ssh defaults' |
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| 18:01.25 | Vicissitude | did you try that already? |
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| 18:01.41 | narcos | Yes |
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| 18:02.16 | narcos | I get an error of http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1kJdriAz |
| 18:03.01 | tx | Is this after installing openssh-server? |
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| 18:03.27 | narcos | It was already installed |
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| 18:04.50 | fbc_ | What log file might tell me why my all my virtual interfaces aren't coming up? |
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| 18:07.10 | jl- | fbc_: are you running vmware? |
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| 18:08.04 | kanliot | i want to make a quick ssh share, and then play media on it. seems like i coulld in ubuntu. any advice? |
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| 18:09.59 | ChrisH | kanliot: ssh-share? What is that? |
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| 18:10.31 | fbc_ | jl-: nope, but I think I found my problem in /var/log/messages |
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| 18:10.43 | kanliot | uh, it's a pcmanfm window with location that starts with sftp:// |
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| 18:11.59 | fbc_ | jl-: Only eth0 and eth0:0 will come up automatically. eth0:1 and eoth0:2 have to be ifdown/up toggled before they will come up. |
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| 18:12.56 | fbc_ | jl-: this appears in /var/log/messages if you try to ifup without ifdown first : ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
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| 18:13.20 | ChrisH | kanliot: apt-get install pcmanfm ?? I needed to google that application. Does this sftp-URL stuff works behind NAT-Router? |
| 18:13.37 | kanliot | i think i need to either use sshfs or gvfs to mount files on my server using ssh |
| 18:13.53 | kanliot | yeah it works sftp-url |
| 18:14.45 | ChrisH | kanliot: I meant the server is behind a NAT Router |
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| 18:15.46 | kanliot | nope everything is behind the same router chrish |
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| 18:16.48 | ChrisH | kanliot: then I would recommend the use of NFS shares :) Anyhow I am offline now |
| 18:17.04 | kanliot | ty chrish |
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| 18:22.05 | fbc_ | jl-: any ideas? |
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| 18:28.20 | jl- | fbc_: unfortunately not |
| 18:29.10 | narcos | I'm confused - I want to remove a "half installed" package, but when I try to remove it, I get an errore that it's half installed - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SRC3cmN2 |
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| 18:34.59 | pippijn | maybe I should ask my question again.. |
| 18:35.17 | pippijn | because I haven't been able to solve it, and failed on google |
| 18:36.13 | pippijn | I created a debian package with dh_make, but it's empty, except for the files in the "docs" file |
| 18:36.42 | tremon | narcos: well, have you tried reinstalling the package as suggested by apt? |
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| 18:37.01 | tremon | pippijn: there's also #debian-mentors on oftc (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 18:37.10 | pippijn | tremon: I am making a package |
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| 18:37.19 | pippijn | and it's empty after dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:37.34 | pippijn | even though the tmp directory contains a proper install |
| 18:37.50 | tremon | pippijn: creating a package, or building a binary from a source package? |
| 18:37.56 | pippijn | creating one |
| 18:38.44 | tremon | #debian-mentors is still the best place to get your question answered then |
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| 18:38.59 | pippijn | ok |
| 18:39.03 | pippijn | thanks |
| 18:39.07 | pippijn | oh |
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| 18:39.38 | pippijn | tremon: there are 2 people in there besides me |
| 18:39.55 | Kevin` | is there anything I have to do after changing insserv.conf for the boot sequence to be correct on reboot? |
| 18:40.15 | pippijn | tremon: ##debian-mentors, that is |
| 18:40.22 | pippijn | tremon: #debian-mentors kicks me right away |
| 18:40.51 | tremon | pippijn: my client says there's 239 in there, including me. Did you try connecting to oftc first? |
| 18:41.17 | pippijn | sorry |
| 18:41.38 | tremon | you're not the first :) |
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| 18:41.45 | tremon | and you won't be the last either |
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| 18:42.52 | tremon | Kevin`: depends on what you changed, try running insserv -v |
| 18:43.20 | Kevin` | that did something |
| 18:43.28 | narcos | tremon: Installation fails, I want to get rid of it |
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| 18:44.44 | Kevin` | testing |
| 18:45.28 | pwnguin | hi; im needing to backport a package from debian 7 to 6 |
| 18:45.51 | pwnguin | it's been too long and i've forgotten a few key steps |
| 18:46.31 | pwnguin | is there a simple command to download and install source packages from a distribution you're not running? |
| 18:46.40 | tremon | narcos: I'm unsure how to proceed then. dpkg generally can be coerced, but a message like that indicates that dpkg's internal database isn't complete. If a reinstall fails, you may have to resort to removing the files manually |
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| 18:47.04 | tremon | !tell pwnguin about ssb |
| 18:47.52 | tremon | pwnguin: dpkg has told you the general steps, just replace sid with wheezy. if you have the correct source lines, it's apt-get source $package/$release |
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| 18:48.07 | pwnguin | k |
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| 18:49.01 | Szczepancio | Hello there, the youtube on my debian wheezy is not working. |
| 18:49.01 | Szczepancio | http://postimg.org/image/ibxs5dryh/ |
| 18:49.12 | Szczepancio | I'm using iceweasel + gnome 3. |
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| 18:49.40 | Kevin` | tremon: that LOOKED like it did the correct thing, but it's not working properly on reboot |
| 18:50.02 | tremon | Kevin`: what did you change, and what did you expect to happen? |
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| 18:50.39 | tremon | Szczepancio: there's a flashplugin-nonfree (iirc) in the non-free section of the archive, you probably want that |
| 18:50.55 | Kevin` | tremon: added 'zfs' to $remote_fs, expected the script that provides it to start before another script that depends on $remote_fs and likes to write to empty mount points |
| 18:51.00 | Szczepancio | i can't download it from repo, treomon |
| 18:51.01 | Kevin` | * +zfs |
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| 18:51.07 | Szczepancio | there no package in repo |
| 18:51.19 | Szczepancio | google chromium is working ok |
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| 18:53.17 | tremon | Szczepancio: there is a package in repo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree, but you need to add the contrib section if it isn't there. Also, read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 18:55.11 | tremon | Kevin`: yes, that should be correct iirc. There was something about the + character though, can't remember it. Optional dependency? |
| 18:55.24 | Kevin` | yeah |
| 18:56.50 | tremon | Kevin`: is the zfs script even configured to be started? find /etc/rc?.d -name S\*zfs |
| 18:57.06 | tremon | otherwise, update-rc.d zfs defaults might help |
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| 18:57.48 | Kevin` | tremon: http://pastebin.com/iH6aUz36 |
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| 18:58.42 | tremon | ah, so there is no init script named zfs. Then either replace +zfs with +zfs-mount, or define $zfs as +zfs-mount +zfs-share |
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| 18:59.40 | Kevin` | are you sure it's using the script name and not provides? it seems to get stuck into the correct place in the boot dependencies, which would require reading the script |
| 18:59.44 | Kevin` | i'll add both |
| 18:59.50 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/boot.svg (previously) |
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| 19:01.19 | RaycisCharles | scootypuff: are you Jr. or Sr.? |
| 19:01.23 | tremon | I'm not sure if the dependencies in insserv.conf are targets or script names, debian tends to keep them identical ;) |
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| 19:02.14 | narcos | tremon: Any idea where I'd manually find those files? |
| 19:02.19 | pang | names |
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| 19:03.24 | tremon | narcos: usually, in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$pkg.list. But it's not a recommended way, you may want to wait a while, maybe someone has a better idea |
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| 19:06.00 | tremon | Kevin`: yes, that bootchart seems correct. Are you sure the script is doing what it's supposed to (no missing dependencies)? |
| 19:06.18 | Kevin` | the script works, it just starts too late |
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| 19:10.24 | tremon | Kevin`: is the depending script started before zfs is started, or is the depending script started before zfs is finished? |
| 19:10.37 | dAnjou | hey, why is it that packages in squeeze-backports are newer than in wheezy? e.g. http://packages.debian.org/redis-server |
| 19:11.03 | tremon | ,v redis-server |
| 19:11.04 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.15-1~bpo60+2; jessie: 2:2.6.13-1; sid: 2:2.6.13-1 |
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| 19:12.10 | tremon | dAnjou: presumably, a squeeze backport was made after wheezy was frozen |
| 19:12.11 | Kevin` | tremon: i'm not sure how to tell |
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| 19:13.38 | tremon | Kevin`: well, the only reason I can think about is that the zfs script terminates (ends) before the mountpoints are properly setup. It looks like insserv gets what you're trying to do |
| 19:13.45 | dAnjou | tremon: but hasn't the safe-update-way rule been broken then? |
| 19:14.10 | tremon | dAnjou: partially, but I'm not sure how much that applies to backports |
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| 19:14.54 | dAnjou | tremon: well, there should be squeeze-backports-sloppy for anything higher in version |
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| 19:15.08 | amond | hi dAnjou |
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| 19:15.29 | dAnjou | amond: do we know each other? |
| 19:15.34 | dAnjou | ah |
| 19:15.36 | vectory_ | ja |
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| 19:17.13 | vectory_ | apt-cache showpkg ngspice yields a result, but apt-get install fails. packages.debian.org doesnt know it either. what am i missing? |
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| 19:18.01 | vectory_ | oops |
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| 19:18.31 | Kevin` | tremon: I added a sleep command and some print stuff to the init script. it's being started at the correct time but initwhatever isn't waiting for it to finish |
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| 19:21.09 | tremon | Kevin`: ok, that's good info. I'd say that's a bug in the init script. I would either add a while ! mountpoint -q $mntpt ; do sleep 1 ; done to the zfs script, or create a separate script between zfs and $remote_fs that waits for the mount points to appear |
| 19:21.50 | Kevin` | tremon: I had it wait before doing anything, it should not be exiting |
| 19:22.23 | Kevin` | echo "--zfs point one--" >/dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:22.23 | Kevin` | sleep 10 |
| 19:22.23 | Kevin` | echo "--zfs point two--" >/dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:23.34 | tremon | ok, then I'm out of suggestions sadly. Not sure where to go next |
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| 19:24.02 | Kevin` | is there a way I can just disable running any init scripts in parallel? |
| 19:24.08 | Kevin` | boot time isn't critial here |
| 19:25.59 | Kevin` | it would be nice to figure out where the problem is, of course |
| 19:27.12 | tremon | /etc/init.d/rc mentions a CONCURRENCY="none", but it's not mentioned in man rcS. Not sure where to put it |
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| 19:28.19 | Kevin` | etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering looks like it might be useful |
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| 19:43.57 | angs | I would like to add a program to startup that would be run at the end of multiuser runlevel (like rc.local) but the program should be run on the background (daemon). how can I do it? I tried it by update-rc.d program defaults 98 02. but when my program starts the be run, start-up does not proceed and on the shutdown, the program cannot be closed. |
| 19:44.12 | talexb | I'm trying to set up wheezy with multiple monitors. I just had squeeze installed and working on the same hardware. |
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| 19:44.49 | talexb | Now I'm into xrandr and editting xorg.conf (shades of the late 90's) and I can't even find xorg.conf. |
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| 19:45.23 | talexb | xrandr complains that "screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050)" :( |
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| 19:49.51 | tremon | talexb: xorg does autodetection, but did so in squeeze as well. By default, there is no xorg.conf. Generate with X -configure, or only configure the parts that you need |
| 19:50.14 | talexb | tremon, Ah -- thanks. I will try that. |
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| 19:51.50 | tremon | xrandr options can be configured in xorg.conf[.d] as well, most options "Rotate" and "Position", but there's also "LeftOf", "RightOf", "Above" and "Below". |
| 19:51.52 | tremon | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=xorg.conf |
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| 19:53.19 | bert_ | I am trying to install a Pinnacle 800i PCTV card in my Squeeze box. When I install the card and boot I get an error "ata 3.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5) and then an error regarding USB (error -110). When I pull the card the machine boots fine. Does anyone know how to fix this? I saw something about adding =all_generic_ide to the menu.lst. Problem is I'm running grub2 |
| 19:54.16 | tremon | looks like broken hardware (or interference) to me. Does the card draw much power from the pci slot? |
| 19:54.17 | talexb | tremon, OK, except that X -configure reminds me that X Windows is already running, and aborts. |
| 19:54.39 | tremon | well, kill X first ;) |
| 19:54.41 | bert_ | tremon: The card works in a windows machine just fine |
| 19:54.49 | bert_ | tremon: hmm good question |
| 19:55.53 | bert_ | tremon: The only other PCI device installed is a video card |
| 19:56.01 | talexb | tremon, OK. I'll be back. Thanks. |
| 19:56.05 | tremon | regarding usb, it's been known that some chipsets have iffy controllers that do not conform 100% to the spec, especially under load. Sometimes that's worked around in the windows driver, which Linux doesn't use |
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| 19:56.52 | tremon | bert_: is the machine working fine if you insert the card in a different slot, or blacklist the module? |
| 19:57.33 | bert_ | tremon: No it doesn't matter which slot I put the card in. I get the same error each time |
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| 19:59.20 | tremon | ok, no luck there then. Did you try things like noacpi, noapic or blacklisting the driver module? It could be something with timing on the pci bus (yes I'm guessing here -- many theories possible) |
| 19:59.23 | dzhonni_ | how can i verify the RSA fingerprint of a SSH host? is there a way to print it so that i can compare with the one i saw on the client side when i connected? |
| 19:59.44 | bert_ | tremon: I'll look into those |
| 19:59.45 | narcos | Hi all. Please could someone help me remove this half installed pacakge. I can't seem to reinstall it, or force remove it - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9GmQP74h and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=USS5PDew |
| 20:00.01 | pwnguin | dzhonni_: you could ssh from localhost |
| 20:00.08 | bert_ | tremon: Thanks |
| 20:00.48 | dzhonni_ | pwnguin: how can i print the fingerprint of the host? |
| 20:00.48 | pwnguin | tremon: just got back from lunch. I'm getting an error on grabbing the src pkg =( E: Ignore unavailable target release 'wheezy' of package 'libapache2-mod-auth-cas' |
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| 20:01.19 | pwnguin | man ssh |
| 20:01.23 | pwnguin | err, wrong chan |
| 20:01.43 | tremon | pwnguin: you need to add a deb-src line for wheezy |
| 20:02.04 | tremon | (and ONLY deb-src, unless you want to do an unplanned dist-upgrade) |
| 20:02.07 | pwnguin | oh |
| 20:02.10 | pwnguin | i think i see my problem |
| 20:02.14 | pwnguin | deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian wheezy main |
| 20:02.31 | tremon | didn't run apt-get update, or the package is not in main? |
| 20:02.39 | pwnguin | we dont mirror wheezy yet i dont think |
| 20:02.41 | dzhonni_ | pwnguin: i see only a ECDSA key fingerprint if i connect to localhost but no RSA fing. |
| 20:03.14 | pwnguin | dzhonni_: is your server using elliptic curve? |
| 20:03.51 | dzhonni_ | pwnguin: it's a standard wheezy indtallation. the client is on android |
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| 20:04.14 | pwnguin | doesn't run wheezy yet |
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| 20:04.20 | pwnguin | it might be default now? |
| 20:05.12 | kanliot | hello. Just came from ubuntu and installed debian on my desktop. because i'm lazy, i want to create a sshfs share when i open a file on my desktop, then keep it open, until i close the window. best technology to do this in? tia |
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| 20:05.37 | pwnguin | dzhonni_: you might also try ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 20:05.49 | mumpitze1 | kanliot: a shellscript |
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| 20:06.43 | kanliot | mumpitze1, how do i get the thing to unmount when i close the window?? write a gui application in bash? |
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| 20:06.51 | dzhonni_ | pwnguin: thanks. that's the one |
| 20:07.29 | mumpitze1 | kanliot: ok, then you'd need a C program and use atexit() :P |
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| 20:08.16 | kanliot | i thought if you close a terminal window the app just gets killed |
| 20:08.24 | ompaul | mumpitze1: handle it with exit values |
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| 20:09.35 | mumpitze1 | ompaul: handle a unmount with exit values? |
| 20:09.57 | kanliot | ok tyvm |
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| 20:11.25 | ompaul | mumpitze1: when you set it up you have to mount it when you want to umount it create a tmp file have cron check for this file and umount accordingly then you know you have a second between the closure and the event |
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| 20:11.35 | pwnguin | tremon: well, shoot. still get the same error =/ |
| 20:11.42 | pwnguin | http://pastebin.osuosl.org/2596/ |
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| 20:11.58 | ompaul | mumpitze1: obviously (I hope) cleaning after it goes |
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| 20:12.08 | ompaul | !why not pastebin |
| 20:12.15 | ompaul | b l e r g |
| 20:12.31 | ompaul | !pastebin |
| 20:12.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:12.54 | ompaul | other bins may not be trusted by parties here |
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| 20:14.43 | jl- | narcos: you still there ? |
| 20:15.16 | tremon | ,v libapache2-mod-auth-cas |
| 20:15.17 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-auth-cas on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.8-3; jessie: 1.0.9.1-2; wheezy: 1.0.9.1-2; sid: 1.0.9.1-4 |
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| 20:16.06 | tremon | pwnguin: did you run apt-get update? |
| 20:16.11 | pwnguin | yes |
| 20:16.16 | pwnguin | many times |
| 20:16.27 | pwnguin | ive added contrib and non-free just in case |
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| 20:17.41 | tremon | no, it should be in main. I don't see why it shouldn't fetch, that exact command works fine here |
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| 20:17.53 | pwnguin | from squeeze? |
| 20:17.54 | tremon | (ok, I'm running jessie but that shouldn't matter) |
| 20:18.06 | pwnguin | im just doing this from a vagrant box |
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| 20:18.28 | pwnguin | although my boss set it up somewhat oddly |
| 20:18.51 | mtn | pwnguin: I think you need the corresponding normal repo listed as well as the src repo. |
| 20:19.30 | tremon | well, it's worth a shot. Just don't run apt-get upgrade with that line |
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| 20:19.58 | tremon | as a bonus, at least apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-auth-cas will work |
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| 20:20.27 | NanoDano | pwnguin: Are you on a 64 bit machine? It looks like you are trying to grab a 32 bit package, you might need to enable multilib? (Debian does have multilib right or am I getting mixed up??) |
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| 20:20.57 | pwnguin | NanoDano: i just want the source |
| 20:21.12 | pwnguin | i am on a 64 bit machien |
| 20:21.18 | pwnguin | vm really |
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| 20:21.30 | pwnguin | adding a deb line 'fixed' it |
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| 20:22.18 | tremon | well, that's a new one for me :) good thing we're with 1270+ here |
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| 20:22.46 | pwnguin | 1270+? |
| 20:22.48 | mtn | someone else was talking about the same thing earlier. it is a long standing "bug" |
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| 20:23.23 | pwnguin | tremon: I get all the best bugs |
| 20:23.28 | tremon | pwnguin: 1275 people in this channel |
| 20:23.32 | pwnguin | ah |
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| 20:23.51 | tremon | mtn: thanks |
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| 20:24.16 | tremon | pwnguin: don't forget to remove the deb line later |
| 20:24.25 | mtn | tremon: welcome |
| 20:24.59 | pwnguin | tremon: it's a vagrant vm |
| 20:25.02 | pwnguin | when the build is finished, i nuke it |
| 20:25.17 | pwnguin | but yes, ive already removed the deb line |
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| 20:30.38 | pwnguin | fun, looks like I need some other build deps as well |
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| 20:33.12 | pwnguin | well that's a hot mess |
| 20:33.21 | pwnguin | it brought in a new libc |
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| 20:33.37 | madcat1990 | Here's a question to all y'all experts in here. Is it worth it to compile your Kernel? |
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| 20:34.02 | straterra | Is there a known issue with Wheezy and vlans? I'm trying to set up vlans via the interfaces file (which is correct), yet I get errors adding the VLAN when I bring the interface up |
| 20:34.07 | straterra | Even though it DID add the vlan.. |
| 20:34.13 | pwnguin | madcat1990: it's a pretty simple ROI calculation. how many systems will be running your kernel? |
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| 20:34.35 | daemonkeeper | straterra: Some devices do not support VLANs. Apart it works fine in Linux/Wheezy |
| 20:34.39 | madcat1990 | pwnguin, my i3-2330m laptop, and my server, which is also a second gen i3 |
| 20:35.03 | straterra | daemonkeeper: Any idea of which devices? This is a supermicro server with Intel gigabit NICs..which I've never had an issue with |
| 20:35.21 | daemonkeeper | Well. Doesn't sound lik the type of devices having problems with it |
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| 20:35.36 | madcat1990 | pwnguin, I plan to achieve performance with this =/ |
| 20:35.42 | pwnguin | madcat1990: how long will it take you to learn to build your own kernel? basically, list out all the costs, and all the benefits. for work stuff most people shouldn't build their own kernel |
| 20:35.43 | madcat1990 | or am I just speaking nonsense |
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| 20:36.01 | straterra | I can manually add/remove VLANs all day long..I think it's something with the network config script |
| 20:36.18 | pwnguin | for personal stuff, well, it depends on how you value your time, and maybe whether you can parlay that experience into a better job down the line |
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| 20:36.22 | madcat1990 | pwnguin I like stripping things on my pc to the bare minimums, so I have a faster and really responsive pc. Learning to build my kernel shouldn't be so bad. This is 2013, there should be documentation somewhere on how to do it |
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| 20:36.48 | madcat1990 | pwnguin, I have no intention of using this for a job. though, should the opportunity appear, so be it. I however, just want speed. |
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| 20:37.25 | tremon | !tell madcat1990 about kernel handbook |
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| 20:37.40 | pwnguin | the cost effective thing is probably to spend an hour flipping burgers and buy more RAM / some other component |
| 20:37.43 | daemonkeeper | straterra: What's your config? |
| 20:38.08 | madcat1990 | What if I told you, hardware-wise I've maxed my laptop out? =/ |
| 20:38.15 | madcat1990 | I'm upgrading its cpu next payday |
| 20:38.28 | madcat1990 | it already has 8GB DDR3 at the max it supports (1333) |
| 20:38.44 | madcat1990 | has two SSDs inside, and an Intel wireless card (Which I'll be upgrading) |
| 20:38.53 | madcat1990 | GPU is just intel, so upgrade CPU, upgrade "Gpu" |
| 20:39.02 | madcat1990 | But being the unsatisfied prick I am, I still want more |
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| 20:39.16 | pwnguin | more what? |
| 20:39.24 | straterra | daemonkeeper: http://pastebin.com/8tLA0Y3a |
| 20:39.59 | madcat1990 | pwnguin, speed. |
| 20:40.03 | straterra | This exact thing works perfectly fine when I try it on a seperate Wheezy server that I have..same hardware too |
| 20:40.10 | moof2_ | more hardware in his laptop? |
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| 20:40.34 | madcat1990 | I have, right now, sid running at AMD64 |
| 20:40.35 | pwnguin | madcat1990: throw it out of an airplane then. presumably you want the laptop to do something for you |
| 20:40.42 | pwnguin | what is that thing? |
| 20:40.49 | daemonkeeper | straterra: You could try adding vlan-raw-device http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Network_init_script_config |
| 20:41.00 | straterra | I already had those lines there..didn't do anything |
| 20:41.35 | tremon | straterra: did you mean post-up instead of up? Otherwise, I'm missing an ip link set up, unless that's being done for eth0 |
| 20:41.55 | straterra | I suppose post-up would work |
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| 20:42.05 | straterra | The up/down lines aren't causing the issues either..I've tried commenting them out |
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| 20:44.31 | tremon | btw, I'm not sure the eth0.X notation is correct for vlan'ing, at the very least it's deprecated |
| 20:44.45 | tremon | as you say, it works on another server so probably it's fine |
| 20:45.08 | straterra | err, I'm pretty sure that it's not deprecated |
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| 20:45.21 | tremon | this is what I have: http://paste.debian.net/16232/ |
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| 20:45.44 | straterra | Hm |
| 20:45.48 | tremon | possibly what you're doing translates to exactly the same, I'm not sure |
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| 20:46.29 | straterra | It should. Wheezy uses iproute2 |
| 20:46.42 | tremon | the eth0.X triggered some suspicion about old ifconfig commands, but possibly I'm confusing eth0:X here |
| 20:47.05 | straterra | Set name-type for VLAN subsystem. Should be visible in /proc/net/vlan/config |
| 20:47.06 | straterra | ERROR: trying to add VLAN #400 to IF -:eth0:- error: File exists |
| 20:47.20 | tremon | ok, so it's the same :) |
| 20:47.26 | straterra | That's what I get when I bring it up. The interface comes up..and works..but it keeps tossing that error |
| 20:48.03 | tremon | does it come up with all ip addresses? Could it be configuring the first and succeeding, and then failing on the second ip? |
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| 20:48.20 | straterra | I only have one IP configured. I've commented out the up/down lines |
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| 20:48.43 | straterra | Bringing down the interface gives a similar error.. Removed VLAN -:eth0.400:- |
| 20:48.50 | straterra | Cannot find device "eth0.400" |
| 20:48.58 | straterra | It's like it's trying to add/remove twice |
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| 20:49.47 | daemonkeeper | So it might be a driver issue indeed. |
| 20:50.06 | straterra | I don't really see how |
| 20:50.19 | straterra | If it were a driver issue, adding the VLAN by hand would have issues |
| 20:50.55 | straterra | I could do all of the work of the ifupdown application with pre-up and post-down..but that seems ugly |
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| 20:52.58 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 20:53.33 | Pymous | I have a small question, how can I know the actual network trafic on my server ? (In and Out) |
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| 20:54.14 | MachinaeWolf | How does the debian menu grab all the programs and exclude the ones that have to be run specifically in the terminal? |
| 20:54.27 | MachinaeWolf | I'm trying to make an auto updating dzen2 menu |
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| 20:55.55 | straterra | The hell |
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| 20:57.57 | musca | MachinaeWolf: dpkg -L vim-gtk shows you something like /usr/share/menu/vim-gtk |
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| 20:58.29 | MachinaeWolf | thanks musca doesn't have everything though :/ |
| 20:58.31 | musca | it's a text file defining the menuentry |
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| 21:09.30 | MachinaeWolf | well thanks musca now I located an area that has just about all the programs I wanted to find :) |
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| 21:10.22 | musca | MachinaeWolf: ok, and where is it? |
| 21:10.38 | MachinaeWolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.54 | musca | ok, thx |
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| 21:16.08 | rneese | I need help with deb pkgs what file do you add into the debian dir to rm dir that the install creates |
| 21:16.19 | rneese | app-name-postrm ? |
| 21:16.38 | rneese | -postrm/.postrm ? |
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| 21:18.13 | cafuego | rneese: Created dirs are auto-removed, provided they don't contain unmanaged files. |
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| 21:18.42 | rneese | seems not I create a dir /var/lib/fusionpbx/scripts |
| 21:18.48 | rneese | and install files into this dir |
| 21:19.03 | rneese | and when the pkg deinstalls its leaving this dir behind |
| 21:19.14 | cafuego | How are you reating an installing? |
| 21:19.27 | cafuego | Have you listed it in the .install file? |
| 21:19.46 | rneese | let me look |
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| 21:20.17 | rneese | the app/debian dir there is no .install file |
| 21:20.29 | cafuego | Right, I dunno then. |
| 21:20.33 | rneese | and I dont seen anything in the handbook abotu that file |
| 21:21.56 | rneese | if its in the manual can you point to it |
| 21:22.07 | rneese | as this is the last of the issues I am having |
| 21:22.14 | rneese | is dir that are left behind |
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| 21:24.17 | angs | if I prepare a LSBInitScripts on /etc/init.d do I still need to prepare script like http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 ? |
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| 21:31.35 | Lenar | can anybody suggest good hacking/wireless security related forums? |
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| 21:33.45 | moof2_ | Lenar, if you're looking for a channel here, /msg alis help |
| 21:34.21 | DNS | its a atheme bot, so from freenode itself |
| 21:34.45 | DNS | i dont mean moof2_ i mean alis |
| 21:34.47 | DNS | lol |
| 21:34.49 | DNS | :P |
| 21:35.29 | Lenar | moof2_ I'm lookig for message boards |
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| 21:35.50 | rynkan | I got something strange going on, my hardwareraid shows as two seperate disks, what gives? |
| 21:35.55 | DNS | but Lenar here is a debian related chan tho |
| 21:35.57 | moof2_ | howbout checking google? put that exact question there |
| 21:36.01 | DNS | >_< |
| 21:36.20 | moof2_ | u mad? |
| 21:36.28 | Lenar | I checked but I didn't like results |
| 21:36.57 | DNS | than write to support@google.com that they need to update their results |
| 21:37.03 | DNS | jk :p |
| 21:37.15 | DNS | than=then |
| 21:37.35 | Lenar | neither funny nor helpful |
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| 21:38.20 | DNS | was not tryin to be funny, hes fukkin serious |
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| 21:39.10 | blackshirt | i try to run tc, # tc qdisc del dev eth0 |
| 21:39.10 | blackshirt | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 21:39.25 | blackshirt | but it was the answers, whats wrong ? |
| 21:39.28 | moof2_ | Lenar, maybe you have a very specific question... you'd have to pose it on either #wireless or ##networking where it's actually on topic |
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| 21:40.16 | moof2_ | invalid argument is often an indication that support for something the program needs is not attached to ioctl() |
| 21:40.18 | blackshirt | moof2_, i run this in debian .. so |
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| 21:41.20 | moof2_ | blackshirt, oh, sorry, didn't mean that for you; just unfortunate timing (you sent 3 lines then I hit enter on a msg to another person) |
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| 21:42.46 | blackshirt | moof2_. oh :( .. can you help me .. |
| 21:44.10 | Mathisen | i just compiled wine-1.5.5 and runing wine --version shows 1.5.5 as root but as user it still shows 1.4.1 how fix this ? |
| 21:44.27 | moof2_ | well other than telling you -approximately- what "invalid argument" can mean, no, especially right now |
| 21:44.33 | marcusk | Mathisen: Is it the same binary? |
| 21:44.52 | DNS | Mathisen: you probably have 2 versions installed |
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| 21:45.07 | DNS | you can check for example in synaptic |
| 21:45.23 | Mathisen | so i just remove 1.4.1 |
| 21:45.24 | moof2_ | and root's $PATH has the path to what you installed first |
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| 21:45.50 | moof2_ | what was the --prefix when you ./configured wine? |
| 21:46.07 | DNS | compile as debian package is best to manage software :P |
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| 21:46.08 | Mathisen | i just did ./configure |
| 21:46.12 | Mathisen | as root |
| 21:46.36 | moof2_ | so perhaps the --prefix defaulted to /usr/local |
| 21:48.02 | Mathisen | so what should i do to get this working... remove 1.4.1 and then |
| 21:48.33 | DNS | configure with --prefix |
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| 21:48.52 | DNS | prefix should be only /usr |
| 21:48.59 | jhutchins | Mathisen: Did you do make install? |
| 21:49.00 | marcusk | Mathisen: No need to remove anything, just make sure that you invoke the new binary. |
| 21:49.12 | Mathisen | yes i did make install |
| 21:49.51 | moof2_ | but that's a guess based on experience of building other things... maybe look at output of ./configure --help would reveal the default for --prefix |
| 21:49.57 | jhutchins | Mathisen: You might try make uninstall. You really want to build a debian package with the debian paths. |
| 21:50.07 | jhutchins | !uupdate |
| 21:50.07 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 21:50.07 | Mathisen | im not so good at this.. so "invoke the new binary" is like another language to me |
| 21:50.20 | jhutchins | ,versions wine |
| 21:50.22 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 21:50.41 | marcusk | Mathisen: Check the path to the binary you installed as root, then run that binary as the user. |
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| 21:51.11 | moof2_ | oh, good idea... so as root, try "which wine" |
| 21:51.25 | moof2_ | then compare what you get when you run the same thing as the user |
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| 21:53.08 | Granjow | Hey there. I upgraded apache from 2.2 to 2.4, and now it refuses to start (even to stop). First it complained about libphp5.so missing, and I had to disable PHP, now it complains about syntax errors in apache's apache.conf. |
| 21:53.30 | Granjow | like so: http://codepad.org/Fp3cgnOc |
| 21:53.33 | Granjow | Why? |
| 21:53.38 | moof2_ | Mathisen, what were the outputs from the two whiches? |
| 21:53.56 | DNS | Granjow: the errors are ver clear |
| 21:54.00 | DNS | *ver |
| 21:54.03 | Mathisen | runing "wich wine" as root gives "Error in startup script: invalid command name "appdir=""" |
| 21:54.03 | Mathisen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.10 | moof2_ | (note, irc can have trouble when "/" is the first char on the line) |
| 21:54.19 | DNS | damn it my y was not workin lol |
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| 21:54.33 | DNS | Granjow: update your config |
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| 21:54.45 | moof2_ | DBSm y not?! |
| 21:54.49 | Granjow | DNS: :D But how? Why does apache not do that for me but break it instead? |
| 21:55.06 | DNS | the config is under /etc |
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| 21:55.08 | DNS | normally |
| 21:55.09 | moof2_ | that's a big question |
| 21:55.15 | DNS | etc/apache2 |
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| 21:55.40 | moof2_ | if you built apache yourself, there is -no- telling where it put anything |
| 21:55.46 | Granjow | DNS: Yes. But how on earth should I know the correct ${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} |
| 21:55.51 | Granjow | moof2_: I apt-get installed it. |
| 21:56.03 | DNS | you can define it in the config |
| 21:56.12 | Granjow | Today I apt-get updated it, or tried to do so, and apache just stopped working. |
| 21:56.13 | Mathisen | my bad *spelling" |
| 21:56.15 | Mathisen | heh |
| 21:56.25 | DNS | Granjow: its new features |
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| 21:57.08 | Mathisen | same output for root as user moof2 >> /usr/local/bin/wine |
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| 21:57.38 | moof2_ | Granjow, then people (not me; I'm out) will want to know: cat /etc/debian_version && apt-cache policy && apt-cache policy apache2 |
| 21:57.48 | moof2_ | that's a long listing so you should pastebin it |
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| 21:58.03 | Granjow | DNS: The only new feature I see is that apache2 stopped working, which NO normal program should do after upgrading. |
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| 21:58.48 | ryan`c | What's the generally favored tool for caching packages these days? |
| 21:58.57 | moof2_ | Mathisen, ok, try to remove the packaged one then try to run wine again... ok, 2 mins to get to car... good luck |
| 21:59.02 | DNS | Granjow: if new features arrive in a program how your old config should be up2date with this new features? |
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| 22:00.45 | Granjow | DNS: By apache upgrading my configuration? If my grandmother upgrades Firefox, it does not stop working either because she did not define the correct mutex directory in the firefox configuration file! |
| 22:01.16 | DNS | no if apache would do that then it would del your old config, would you be happy with that? |
| 22:01.45 | DNS | btw you can define that often, idk if with apache |
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| 22:02.03 | Granjow | DNS: I heard about an >> operator being there. And actually, YES, I AM happy with that, because I never touched the configuration file anyway! I just apt-get installed apache! |
| 22:02.18 | DNS | but if new config comes with new version of a program when you are asked in install way normally |
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| 22:02.31 | Granjow | I cannot even remove and purge apache (and re-install it to get a new config) because I cannot stop it! |
| 22:02.43 | DNS | 0_o |
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| 22:03.03 | DNS | Granjow: kill --help |
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| 22:03.29 | DNS | Granjow: sudo kill --help |
| 22:03.31 | DNS | ^^ |
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| 22:04.14 | Granjow | Actually, because I cannot restart it. While updating the packages, apache2 had to be restarted, which obviously failed, so the updating process failed. I cannot install libapache2-mod-php5 because I cannot restart apache2 because it has broken itself! DUH! |
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| 22:04.16 | DNS | Granjow: or use for example: htop |
| 22:04.27 | DNS | great app for monitor processes |
| 22:04.40 | Granjow | yep, love it. |
| 22:04.46 | DNS | (also to kill proccesses) |
| 22:05.10 | Mathisen | moof2, okej removed .. it works to run wine from /usr/local/bin/ as ./wine but not runing just wine .. it results in " bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory " |
| 22:05.10 | vectorey | damn, i get no sound after installing loads of packages. the pulseaudio volume meter shows throughtput, but speakers stay silent. |
| 22:05.34 | Mathisen | but it works runing just wine as root |
| 22:05.47 | Granjow | So. What can I do. |
| 22:06.13 | DNS | Mathisen: ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 22:06.26 | Mathisen | DNS, will try |
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| 22:09.09 | Mathisen | hope it works compiling now.. it takes a while ... |
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| 22:09.48 | DNS | Mathisen: after make install the bin should be then under /usr/bin |
| 22:10.03 | Granjow | DNS: So even if I copy the apache2.conf from the apache 2.4 package, those variables are undefined. |
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| 22:10.24 | DNS | Granjow: you need to define them |
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| 22:10.37 | Granjow | ??? |
| 22:10.43 | DNS | in the config ^^ |
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| 22:10.51 | Granjow | There are ten thousands of programs which I can apt-get install and then run |
| 22:11.03 | Granjow | but for Apache I need to define variables? |
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| 22:11.05 | DNS | apache is normal to configure by hand |
| 22:11.08 | DNS | yes |
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| 22:11.13 | morsik | hello there |
| 22:11.22 | morsik | i just installed debian 7.1.0 on desktop with kde |
| 22:11.24 | Granjow | normal? No previous version had this. |
| 22:11.32 | Granjow | At least in the last 6 years or so. |
| 22:11.33 | morsik | did aptitude install qt4-qtconfig |
| 22:11.43 | DNS | wonders how Granjow has run apache before |
| 22:11.48 | morsik | and... starting qtconfig causes everything hung for a minute, and then just error: "Bus error" |
| 22:12.00 | morsik | i have some previous settings in my home directory |
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| 22:12.32 | Granjow | DNS: Normally it creates a default config that would allow apache to START which does not cause apt-get install to FAIL! |
| 22:12.42 | Granjow | Yes, sites need to be configured! |
| 22:13.03 | DNS | what has apt-get now to do with it |
| 22:13.08 | DNS | you can not install it? |
| 22:13.18 | Granjow | [00:04] <Granjow> Actually, because I cannot restart it. While updating the packages, apache2 had to be restarted, which obviously failed, so the updating process failed. I cannot install libapache2-mod-php5 because I cannot restart apache2 because it has broken itself! DUH! |
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| 22:13.50 | DNS | Granjow: have you stopped or killed it now? |
| 22:13.58 | Granjow | No. |
| 22:14.08 | Mathisen | /etc/init.d/apache2 stop ? |
| 22:14.09 | vectorey | morsik: look in logs, there maybe a message in a file in /var/log/ |
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| 22:14.11 | DNS | then just do it |
| 22:14.13 | DNS | ys |
| 22:14.20 | DNS | or sudo servie apache2 stop |
| 22:14.24 | DNS | *service |
| 22:14.52 | DNS | (this keyboard needs to be cleaned) |
| 22:14.55 | Granjow | service fails. But killing it indeed helps to continue the installation process o.O |
| 22:15.32 | Granjow | I have once screwn mine apart and spent it a shower. Worked. |
| 22:15.52 | morsik | vectorey: nope, nothing there... |
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| 22:16.31 | morsik | well... something about hdd :D |
| 22:16.33 | morsik | damn |
| 22:16.44 | morsik | looks like hdd is broken |
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| 22:17.17 | Mathisen | DNS, problem solved command works as user now |
| 22:17.24 | Mathisen | thx |
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| 22:17.54 | DNS | Mathisen: yw:) |
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| 22:20.43 | Mathisen | and now just noticed " PNG support is not compiled in. " gahh need to fix it :) heh |
| 22:21.09 | DNS | windows apps are weird anyways :p |
| 22:21.47 | DNS | but very sometimes i use wine as well, for pokerstars eh |
| 22:21.50 | DNS | lol |
| 22:22.11 | Granjow | so the sites-enabled configuration files changed too? |
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| 22:22.20 | Granjow | ServerName does not work anymore? |
| 22:22.28 | DNS | Granjow: check changelog to know exact changes |
| 22:23.13 | n1md4 | hi. just upgraded some packages on jessie, and a bunch of things broke. dealing one at a time, emapthy is requesting passwords, but giving no option to actually put them in. |
| 22:23.22 | n1md4 | any one else had this? |
| 22:24.01 | vectorey | apt-getting xfce after minimal install should usually bring sound, right? i borrowed a dvd without testing sound after fresh install -_- |
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| 22:25.31 | DNS | vectorey: what kind of dvd? a debian dvd? |
| 22:25.49 | DNS | heh |
| 22:25.51 | DNS | :) |
| 22:26.32 | DNS | and yes normally you should have sound with xfce4 |
| 22:26.46 | vectorey | a blockbuster |
| 22:26.51 | vectorey | im that oldfashioned |
| 22:27.05 | DNS | vectorey: could be a missing codec |
| 22:27.16 | vectorey | its no sound with everything |
| 22:27.17 | Granjow | DNS: Nothing mentioned, seems like it just does not work anymore. apachectl configtest does not give any errors either. |
| 22:27.39 | vectorey | checked the speaker wires dozent times, too |
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| 22:29.08 | xsamurai | anybody with ipmi experience know how to change the com port (remote access management) in the bios via ipmitool ? |
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| 22:30.40 | DNS | s00pcan: hmk maybe the variable just has changed the name |
| 22:30.46 | DNS | oops |
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| 22:30.51 | DNS | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.07 | DNS | vectorey: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration |
| 22:31.11 | rryoumaa | ado allmac |
| 22:32.23 | vectorey | DNS: thanks |
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| 22:34.37 | Granjow | DNS: No, I checked, nothing has changed there. |
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| 22:35.20 | vectorey | just to confirm that this is not too irregular: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 22:35.23 | vectorey | dpkg-query: package 'linux-sound-base' is not installed |
| 22:35.46 | DNS | vectorey: might be interesting too: http://wiki.debian.org/en/PulseAudio#Solving_Problems |
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| 22:37.42 | vectorey | DNS: hope its better than the last ;) i think sound was pobably working and "i" messed it up wit other packages |
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| 22:38.18 | DNS | what says speaker-test |
| 22:38.25 | DNS | vectorey ^ |
| 22:39.22 | vectorey | DNS: stays silent |
| 22:39.34 | DNS | and what is the output? |
| 22:39.57 | vectorey | the programm does its business, changes from channel to channel |
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| 22:40.01 | DNS | *text output |
| 22:40.07 | DNS | hmm |
| 22:40.26 | DNS | vectorey: you checked if the sound is just muted? |
| 22:40.30 | vectorey | :) |
| 22:40.32 | vectorey | yes |
| 22:40.35 | DNS | k |
| 22:40.36 | vectorey | in alsamixer |
| 22:40.49 | Granjow | DNS: When I run apache2 -S, it still shows the same error messages about the invalid configuration file and the mutex directory |
| 22:41.53 | vectorey | DNS: kill-9, super tip from the wiki -.- |
| 22:41.58 | DNS | Granjow: you can add those variables to your config, after savin the file just restart apache2 |
| 22:42.03 | DNS | vectorey: or killall |
| 22:42.07 | DNS | :p |
| 22:42.35 | vectorey | DNS: i was mocking the -9. could make aditional problems, i guess |
| 22:42.49 | DNS | i use that often |
| 22:42.53 | DNS | lol |
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| 22:43.52 | zaltekk | setup mutt correctly for the first time |
| 22:43.52 | zaltekk | i think i'm in love |
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| 22:44.49 | DNS | vectorey: did you check if you soundcard is detected and driver is loaded? |
| 22:44.53 | DNS | *your |
| 22:45.11 | vectorey | it is |
| 22:45.15 | vectorey | i guess |
| 22:45.31 | DNS | sudo aplay -l |
| 22:45.48 | Granjow | DNS: They are there already, in /etc/apache2/envvars. The directory points to /var/lock/apache2 which exists. |
| 22:45.52 | \\Mr_C\\ | what i gotta type to install adobe flash for iceweasel? |
| 22:46.15 | Mathisen | okej new problem i did some misstakes install wine now i need to completly remove it... but make uninstall and apt-get remove --purge wine still leaves me with the wine command |
| 22:46.30 | Granjow | DNS: But why does it say they are not defined? |
| 22:46.34 | DNS | \\Mr_C\\: better use gnash and lightspark for flash |
| 22:46.46 | Granjow | # ( source /etc/apache2/envvars; echo $APACHE_LOCK_DIR) |
| 22:46.47 | Granjow | /var/lock/apache2 |
| 22:46.53 | DNS | btw midori is great to watch all vids with gnash and webm |
| 22:46.58 | Mathisen | how to totaly remove wine ? |
| 22:47.03 | DNS | very good html5 support |
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| 22:47.38 | Granjow | I'll try something that used to work with Windows ... brb, rebooting. |
| 22:47.45 | vectorey | DNS: http://paste.debian.net/16257/ |
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| 22:48.22 | abrotman | Mathisen: remove the libraries it uses |
| 22:48.34 | vectorey | DNS: note: i only have one onboard card |
| 22:48.49 | Mathisen | and how do i know what libraries |
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| 22:50.32 | Granjow | DNS: no success. |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | Mathisen: look at the Depends in the package description |
| 22:50.49 | vectorey | Mathisen: it might share libraries with other programms, so i wouldnt follow that advice to closely anyways |
| 22:51.10 | vectorey | Mathisen: how did you install wine? |
| 22:51.13 | abrotman | matthewvz: libwine is probably a great start |
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| 22:51.48 | matthewvz | abrotman: I think you pinged the wrong person :P |
| 22:51.50 | DNS | vectorey: i have a feelin that your volume is turned down somewhere or hardware is defect... what you see here: lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" |
| 22:52.07 | DNS | vectorey: did you check other cable/other headphones |
| 22:52.16 | DNS | Granjow: hmm :/ |
| 22:52.23 | vectorey | DNS: indeed i did |
| 22:52.55 | abrotman | matthewvz: apologies, yes |
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| 22:53.06 | abrotman | Mathisen: libwine is probably a good place to start |
| 22:53.10 | vectorey | what makes me wonder is that it used pc-speaker for the bell, from the get go. maybe that a symptom for a faulty card or installation thereof |
| 22:53.25 | Mathisen | i compiled my self |
| 22:54.26 | DNS | vectorey: what you see with the previous command i posted? |
| 22:54.36 | vectorey | DNS: all normal http://paste.debian.net/16259/ |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | Mathisen: so ask #winehq how to uninstall it .. |
| 22:55.00 | DNS | vectorey: strange shit |
| 22:55.22 | vectorey | DNS: that happened on ubuntu before, too |
| 22:55.37 | vectorey | i had to kill muroard to get sound O_o |
| 22:55.51 | DNS | lol |
| 22:55.52 | vectorey | but now it doesnt help T_T |
| 22:56.18 | vectorey | had i started reinstall, i would be close to done now and could redownload gcc while watching django |
| 22:57.06 | vectorey | so, cu lator, thx for the help \o |
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| 22:57.32 | abrotman | strange shit in ddeed |
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| 22:59.13 | Guest94713 | hello |
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| 23:01.00 | shikamaru | I’ve got a weird bug since my last update, though I downloaded bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_amd64.deb readelf -h /usr/bin/bash tells me it’s actually 32bit |
| 23:01.05 | shikamaru | doesn’t bother me so much for general use because I use zsh, but it breaks quilt |
| 23:01.09 | shikamaru | is it a known bug ? |
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| 23:04.07 | Granjow | DNS: If I now try to a2ensite, it says: ERROR: Site lifeweb does not exist! |
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| 23:04.29 | Granjow | (and yes, the file is in sites-available.) |
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| 23:08.11 | mecool | :) |
| 23:08.21 | Granjow | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 23:08.32 | Granjow | someone kick this dev in their head. |
| 23:09.08 | Granjow | I have to name the files *.conf in sites-available or they will not be recognized. |
| 23:09.39 | Granjow | This is not documented anywhere. At least not in the upgrade notes. |
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| 23:11.04 | shikamaru | mmh tried to workaround bash 32bit while installing lib32readline6 and lib32ncursesw5 but bash still complains |
| 23:11.44 | shikamaru | because it expects GLIBC_2.15 and I have 2.13 |
| 23:12.23 | cleef | I'm unable to change my background through system settings or image viewer any ideas on how to change this? |
| 23:12.48 | shikamaru | cleef: use feh |
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| 23:12.51 | DelphiWorld | hi people |
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| 23:13.01 | DelphiWorld | how would i add the non-free repo to my squeeze? |
| 23:14.01 | shikamaru | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add it at the end of the corresponding lines |
| 23:18.00 | Granjow | DNS: night, and thanks for the help. |
| 23:18.53 | cleef | Sorted. Cheers shikamaru |
| 23:19.22 | shikamaru | you’re welcome, sorted here as well |
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| 23:19.47 | shikamaru | somehow I had a /usr/bin/bash and /bin/bash (that one being 64 bits) |
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| 23:20.08 | shikamaru | dunno where the first one came from |
| 23:20.29 | shikamaru | n8 |
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| 23:21.43 | Gent | Are there official instance-store AMIs for debian-cloud/ec2? |
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| 23:23.59 | cleef | One problem. The wallpaper reverts after a reboot |
| 23:24.52 | cleef | So i'm back to a simple blue background |
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