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| 06:15.36 | rryoumaa | i want to log when i start and finish a video. how do i log when a process finishes, is killed, or stops for a long time? |
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| 06:16.00 | rryoumaa | (note: i don't close the application) |
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| 06:18.33 | rryoumaa | nullPointer: lsof and fuser are useful |
| 06:20.56 | tralala | rryoumaa, what exactly are you doing? |
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| 06:21.11 | rryoumaa | tralala: trying to log my video watching |
| 06:21.29 | rryoumaa | i want to know whether i finished a video or not so i don't have to go back to it, for example |
| 06:21.45 | rryoumaa | i often stop partway through |
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| 06:30.05 | tralala | rryoumaa, there are many ways to watch a video, but if the video player doesn't exit when the video stops then you can only log it if the video player has logging support |
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| 06:38.18 | Cypris | dhcp seems to be overriding the rules set in interfaces. according to dmesg the link may be dropping out every once in a while which explains why its happening without a reboot. anyone know why this is happening. ive been using debian as my httpd for a long time now.. given this is a new installation, ive never had this come up before, and ive started fresh roughly 5 times before this. |
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| 06:41.31 | ghking | hello everyone! My debian7 can,t suspend. when I click suspend, he will suspend first, but after about 3seconds, he will auto-awake |
| 06:42.05 | ghking | I have do nothing when he get into suspend. |
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| 06:44.46 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm trying to write an initscript for a game server. the server program itself does not become daemonized, nor does it write a pid file or a log file. in all aspects, it's a standard CLI program. But start-stop-daemon seems to expect the program to be able to do this, and my question is, is there a wrapper program that I can use to effectively make the server program into a daemon, with pid file, logging and forking off? |
| 06:45.28 | Cypris | sounds like you have either a driver, piece of hardware, or process that is either not allowing sleep or is immediately waking it up. :) |
| 06:47.47 | Cypris | there are 1184 people in this chan and not one is paying attention. lol |
| 06:48.02 | vampi-the-frog | counting yourself |
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| 06:48.06 | vampi-the-frog | are YOU paying attention? :P |
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| 06:50.51 | ghking | <Cypris> I have encounter the same problem in windows, it's the mouse or keyboard awake it.but I don't know how to enable it in debian. |
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| 06:54.41 | Cypris | vampi-the-frog im paying attention to the attention that im not being paid. if i go any deeper than that i might div by 0. |
| 06:56.04 | Cypris | if you are using a wireless keyboard / mouse.. u might unplugging your wireless dongle (and anything else thats usb) and try using a wired usb/ps2 keyboard, using commands/shortcuts to enter sleep. see what happens. |
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| 07:04.01 | tralala | vampi-the-frog, have you read the manual of start-stop-daemon? |
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| 07:04.58 | vampi-the-frog | yes, and I'm using --background right now, but I'm not sure how to log the output |
| 07:05.10 | vampi-the-frog | in fact, let me just show you my script |
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| 07:05.23 | tralala | there's also --make-pidfile |
| 07:05.30 | vampi-the-frog | yes that too |
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| 07:06.23 | _droid | hi, I'm setting up an openvpn server for the first time and I'm following a tutorial. Now before I just to of what the tutorials tells me to do, I have a question that needs to be answered. When creating those so called certificates, I get questions asked like Country Name and so on. How accurate do I need to be? And and could someone elaborate me the meaning of the different fields like "Organizational Unit Name". A link would be very appreciated |
| 07:06.41 | bytecounter | Did you ask google? |
| 07:06.44 | vampi-the-frog | http://paste.debian.net/16484/ |
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| 07:07.39 | tralala | vampi-the-frog, it looks like you need to use --no-close and redirection for logging |
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| 07:07.58 | vampi-the-frog | but won't this make the initscript unusable? |
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| 07:08.43 | _droid | bytecounter: didn you mean me? |
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| 07:09.18 | vampi-the-frog | tralala: so I might use --no-close > /var/log/whatever ? |
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| 07:09.31 | tralala | vampi-the-frog, no just use start-stop-daemon ... --no-close > /var/log/file |
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| 07:09.39 | vampi-the-frog | yeah that's what I said |
| 07:09.47 | bytecounter | Hi, I create an reverse SSH tunnel by a cron job. After a while I check for logged in users. If not I will kill (terminate) the reverse ssh process. But SIGTERM didn't work. But I don't like to use SIGKILL for termination. Andy idea? |
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| 07:10.02 | tralala | vampi-the-frog, this will not make the init script unusable |
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| 07:10.14 | vampi-the-frog | ok I thought it would not fork |
| 07:10.16 | vampi-the-frog | thanks |
| 07:10.46 | tralala | _droid, accuracy only matters if the you will get the certificates from a third party |
| 07:11.14 | vampi-the-frog | tralala: yeah that worked, thanks ^_^ |
| 07:11.25 | tralala | vampi-the-frog, you're welcome |
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| 07:11.38 | _droid | tralala: do you have a link where it explains for what the questions actually mean? |
| 07:11.59 | bytecounter | _droid: this info is shown in the certificate... |
| 07:12.11 | gnarface | Juest: well check the others from 1-6 |
| 07:12.20 | tralala | _droid, no, but this part is handled by openssl so my best guess is openssl's docs |
| 07:12.46 | tralala | or some generic documentation on X509 certificates |
| 07:12.47 | gnarface | Juest: also, what it logs may be different if you don't install in expert mode; i'm actually not sure |
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| 07:13.05 | _droid | tralala: ah ok thanks for the info |
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| 07:13.23 | gnarface | Juest: but i wouldn't expect it to log anything in particular if there were no errors, when i look there is usually some informational output between each step in the setup though |
| 07:13.28 | tralala | bytecounter, SIGHUP? |
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| 07:13.42 | bytecounter | tralala: didn't work, to.. |
| 07:13.51 | bytecounter | +o |
| 07:13.56 | _droid | bytecounter: thanks |
| 07:14.11 | Juest | oh |
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| 07:14.38 | Juest | gnarface: hey where should i ijnstall grub? |
| 07:14.49 | Juest | the best interface |
| 07:14.51 | tralala | an ssh connection doesn't close immediately if forwarded ports in use. It will close after a while though when the forwarding stops |
| 07:14.53 | Juest | seem to be TEXT :D |
| 07:14.59 | Juest | gnarface |
| 07:15.13 | Juest | tralala: when it times out..... |
| 07:15.20 | bytecounter | Ok, so I have to send a SIGKILL |
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| 07:15.33 | Juest | hey |
| 07:15.35 | bytecounter | tralala: thank you |
| 07:15.38 | Juest | where i should install grub |
| 07:15.42 | tralala | bytecounter, no, I'd say you have to wait a little |
| 07:15.43 | Juest | disk or partition? |
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| 07:16.10 | tralala | Juest, any other OSes on this PC? |
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| 07:16.24 | gnarface | Juest: i always put it in the MBR but it depends on your setup and i don't know your setup |
| 07:16.43 | Juest | tralala: no, but i |
| 07:16.45 | Juest | :O |
| 07:16.48 | Juest | i have error |
| 07:16.53 | bytecounter | If there is no user login the rssh has to terminate autamtically after a while... |
| 07:16.54 | Juest | writing to partition |
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| 07:17.12 | Juest | geez |
| 07:17.17 | Juest | bad idea it says |
| 07:17.27 | Juest | it takes it as partitionless because it's a usb stick |
| 07:17.29 | Juest | help me? |
| 07:17.30 | Juest | and |
| 07:17.42 | Juest | it errored |
| 07:17.45 | Juest | guys |
| 07:17.49 | tralala | dpkg, tell Juest about enter |
| 07:18.10 | Juest | dang |
| 07:18.12 | Juest | just |
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| 07:18.23 | Juest | i have some problems |
| 07:18.33 | Juest | when i tried to do on a partition |
| 07:18.54 | Juest | it says partitionless disk because it's a usb stick |
| 07:18.56 | Juest | help me? |
| 07:19.08 | Juest | guys? |
| 07:19.27 | Juest | hello..? |
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| 07:20.30 | bytecounter | Juset: I came later, so I don't know what's your problem |
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| 07:21.19 | Juest | bytecounter: well, im installing kali, (im asking here because kali uses debian installer and live software, so it's ok, |
| 07:22.27 | bytecounter | Juest: ok, what's your question? |
| 07:22.45 | Juest | bytecounter: im trying to install it on a usb stick with live and a second partiton and a swap, im diskless and no network disks |
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| 07:23.05 | halt | Morning everyone, I have an interesting issue with Broadcom NetXtreme II NIC, It's need an non-free firmware, to make it, work so i download the special non free edition ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-rescue+nonfree.iso ) and now i booted in the server, and geting the same error message, about the missing firmware (bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw) any suggestion ? |
| 07:23.15 | Juest | and because it's a stick it reports partitionless when i want to install grub, got error when tried to do it on partition |
| 07:23.59 | Juest | bytecounter: so, how i properly install to partition? |
| 07:24.05 | bytecounter | Whicht partition types you are using? |
| 07:24.08 | Juest | i have the cd on the first partition |
| 07:24.11 | Juest | iso9660 |
| 07:24.15 | Juest | ext2 sda2 |
| 07:24.20 | Juest | and swap on sda3 |
| 07:24.31 | Juest | it's a usb stick, and you clearly missed |
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| 07:25.16 | bytecounter | the first partition must be an ext2 boot partition |
| 07:25.17 | xand | Juest: you need to start by asking in the right channel |
| 07:25.52 | Juest | xand: sorry, im banned from #kali-linux |
| 07:25.57 | Juest | and it's the Installer |
| 07:25.59 | xand | tough |
| 07:26.02 | Juest | so, its ok |
| 07:26.06 | xand | no it's not |
| 07:26.09 | xand | !based on debian |
| 07:26.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:26.11 | Juest | it's the same installer |
| 07:26.13 | Juest | wtf |
| 07:26.28 | Juest | xand: stop, i gone over this same issue today, don't make it repeat |
| 07:26.28 | xand | even if it is the same installer, that is not the point. |
| 07:26.48 | Juest | it doesn't matter now, because im banned from distro's channel! |
| 07:26.56 | xand | that's your problem. |
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| 07:27.00 | halt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:27.09 | Juest | uhhhhh |
| 07:27.10 | Juest | just |
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| 07:27.37 | Juest | please help me with it, im trying to install grub on a usb stick partition #2 |
| 07:28.10 | halt | Juest: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1163686 |
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| 07:28.36 | Juest | it's a usb stick |
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| 07:28.38 | Juest | it fails |
| 07:28.52 | xand | anyway, a usb stick works just the same as a harddisk from that perspective |
| 07:28.55 | Juest | (i can't pastebin the F4 output) |
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| 07:29.00 | halt | anyone missing firmware idea ? ( with the special non-free cd as fell ) |
| 07:29.11 | Juest | xand: yes, but grub detects it as partitionless disk |
| 07:29.43 | Juest | Do i skip installer? |
| 07:29.43 | xand | then you should partition it properly |
| 07:29.51 | Juest | it's properly partitioned! |
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| 07:29.59 | Juest | i have |
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| 07:30.02 | xand | obviously not. anyway, offtopic. |
| 07:30.10 | Juest | sda1: iso9660 Live CD |
| 07:30.13 | Juest | wtf dude |
| 07:30.20 | Juest | xand: I DID, what the hell |
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| 07:30.43 | Juest | it can be only installed using blocklists it says |
| 07:30.54 | xand | the real debian installer has always worked fine installing grub to USB sticks for me. |
| 07:31.00 | Juest | lol |
| 07:31.02 | Juest | well |
| 07:31.07 | Juest | but to partition or to disk? |
| 07:31.10 | Juest | im trying to do it |
| 07:31.13 | Juest | in Partition |
| 07:31.15 | Juest | it says |
| 07:31.21 | Juest | partitionless or to a parttion |
| 07:31.24 | Juest | partition* |
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| 07:32.48 | Juest | geez |
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| 07:33.02 | Juest | it will not proceed with blocklists |
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| 07:33.42 | Juest | help me please? |
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| 07:34.26 | Juest | i want to install to partiton |
| 07:34.31 | Juest | should i use LILO? |
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| 07:34.39 | xand | ask #kali |
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| 07:34.53 | Juest | xand, that's not the right channel |
| 07:35.04 | xand | well neither is #debian |
| 07:35.08 | pha | Juest, it's a privilege to get help... not a right. |
| 07:35.09 | Juest | plus: there's only 3 ppl |
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| 07:35.12 | Juest | well |
| 07:35.14 | Juest | just |
| 07:35.20 | xand | THIS IS THE WRONG CHANNEL |
| 07:35.23 | Juest | i need help with basic grub |
| 07:35.26 | pha | Juest, go elsewhere, you are the most annoying person I have ever seen grace the halls of #debian |
| 07:35.29 | Juest | cmon |
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| 07:39.32 | halt | i had one question before the flood let me paste it again for the new arrives |
| 07:39.32 | halt | I have an interesting issue with Broadcom NetXtreme II NIC, It's need an non-free firmware, to make it, work so i download the special non free edition ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-rescue+nonfree.iso ) and now i booted in the server, and geting the same error message, about the missing firmware (bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw) any suggestion ? |
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| 07:40.17 | ChrisH | halt: aptitude search firmware ; install enough of them :) |
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| 07:41.45 | halt | ChrisH: well if i have a network connection it's not a trouble but I don't :) |
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| 07:42.39 | ChrisH | halt: then do it from another box, use the --downloadonly flagl; put it onto an USB-stick/CD and dpkg -i from there. IIRC rebuild of initram is needed |
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| 07:43.52 | tralala | halt, you want firmware-bnx2 |
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| 07:44.15 | Juest | help me |
| 07:44.34 | halt | tralala: ChrisH: correct me but this unofficial non-free live build should include all of this, ( there reason why i did not do it yet is because I can't i have one usb where from the live debian is comming from ) |
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| 07:45.21 | halt | i can try to load into the mmemory and change the usb after, but i hope there is a better solution |
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| 07:45.50 | ChrisH | halt: I did not understand the last question. YOu simply download the firmware onto any other system and transfer the .deb via eg. USB stick. then see above. |
| 07:46.04 | tralala | halt, all I know is that the package you want is firmware-bnx2 |
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| 07:47.07 | ChrisH | halt: eg http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-bnx2 |
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| 07:47.52 | halt | tralala: ChrisH: I have 1 ( ONE ) single USB, no HDD or anything it's a live CD so if i boot up the OS then my USB is taken already so I can't add one more, this is why i choose this version becasue it should have it included |
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| 07:48.41 | Juest | halt: use a second partition to install |
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| 07:49.30 | _droid | when creating my certificates for my openvpn server, for the user in order to be specific, I get the error message for the following command "./build-key-pass user". The error message is: |
| 07:49.31 | _droid | failed to update database |
| 07:49.31 | _droid | TXT_DB error number 2 |
| 07:49.39 | _droid | can someone help |
| 07:50.06 | halt | Juest: second partition of what ? there are no particions |
| 07:50.33 | Juest | halt: your stick doesn't have partitons? |
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| 07:51.53 | tralala | _droid, do you have index.txt in the keys directory? |
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| 07:51.57 | pagios_ | ello, how can i make a modprobe card=2 when rebooting , the kernel is doing a modprobe card=19 by default would like to overwrite that |
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| 07:52.44 | _droid | tralala: yes it is there |
| 07:53.11 | tralala | pagios_, man modprobe.d (see the options command) |
| 07:53.38 | tralala | _droid, anything in it? |
| 07:53.51 | _droid | 2 entries |
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| 07:54.22 | tralala | I guess you have to debug the build-key-pass script then |
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| 07:55.12 | _droid | tralala: something that I can do? |
| 07:55.33 | tralala | _droid, debug the script |
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| 07:56.53 | nullPointer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.50 | _droid | tralala: like how |
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| 08:01.08 | tralala | _droid, sh -x script |
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| 08:01.46 | tralala | nullPointer, no |
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| 08:05.05 | folivora | Hello, anyone have Dell XPS13FD and has some patch / fix for acpi backlight problem |
| 08:05.18 | folivora | there seems to be some in ubuntu side... |
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| 08:08.18 | _droid | tralala: like this "sh -x ./build-key-pass user" |
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| 08:17.04 | _droid | tralala: nullPointer? |
| 08:17.32 | tralala | _droid, yes |
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| 08:18.06 | _droid | tralala: i ran the command above, i got the same error message |
| 08:18.07 | halt | hi all again I tried to use the http://live-build-cgi.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build but i need some packages which is not in the main repo just in the non-free and based on the manual there is no way to add them, "The non-free section is not part of Debian and therefore cannot be used for official live system images." is there any unofficial place where i can build my image with the non-free repo packages ? or any good howto ? |
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| 08:19.59 | tralala | _droid, look at the trace now and try to figure out what's going wrong |
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| 08:21.27 | _droid | tralala: sorry but which trace |
| 08:21.42 | _droid | ?? |
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| 08:28.19 | _droid | tralala: I do not get any output |
| 08:28.30 | _droid | tralala: or debug information |
| 08:29.54 | tralala | is build-key-pass a shell script? |
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| 08:31.05 | armetiz | hi there |
| 08:31.18 | armetiz | I'm unable to use SFTP via SSH.. |
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| 08:31.51 | armetiz | I have a debian 6, I think some other user did some weird stuff on the server.. |
| 08:32.00 | armetiz | SSH isn't configure to chroot user |
| 08:32.21 | armetiz | I have enable DEBUG3 on sshd & sftp server, and I don't see any error message |
| 08:32.54 | Juest | armetiz: iptables firewall? |
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| 08:33.48 | armetiz | the last message on client is "Sending subsystem: sftp", and on server side " sftp-server[22930]: session opened for local user root from" |
| 08:33.49 | _droid | tralala: yes it is. Now I was googling around and I found this link: http://www.fuzzygeek.net/txt_db-error-number-2-openssl-build-key-pass/ |
| 08:33.49 | _droid | I followed it since it is simple, and ran the script again and all went well. Now since I changed something of what I have no idea, maybe you could tell me if I'm doing some kind of mistake or not? |
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| 08:34.29 | armetiz | Juest, yes, iptables is configure on this server, but TCP:22 is open, and I have also try to -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 08:34.35 | galant | how to install ssh server on debian 7 |
| 08:34.44 | armetiz | forward & output chain are accepting all connection |
| 08:34.54 | Juest | and ftp forts armetiz ? |
| 08:34.55 | armetiz | galant, apt-get install open-ssh ? |
| 08:35.14 | armetiz | Juest, SFTP is not using FTP port.. isn't it ? |
| 08:35.15 | galant | whats difference between ssh and sshd? |
| 08:35.18 | galant | armetiz, thanks |
| 08:35.27 | armetiz | ssh = client, sshd = server, in many case |
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| 08:35.47 | Juest | armetiz: ftp uses another port for data i think |
| 08:35.53 | armetiz | yes |
| 08:35.54 | galant | thanks |
| 08:35.58 | armetiz | but, SFTP != FTP.. |
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| 08:35.59 | galant | is it hard to install sshd? |
| 08:36.06 | galant | just tha command? |
| 08:36.15 | galant | I don't need to setup anything else armetiz ? |
| 08:36.15 | armetiz | galant, many doc on debian wiki, ubuntu wiki.. |
| 08:36.23 | Juest | galant, you only need to install it |
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| 08:36.37 | Juest | it's not hard, if it's hard for you, then you shouldn't be using this |
| 08:36.43 | galant | please tel lme this it is very important, is it secure to install sshd ? should I consider configuring it or it comes preconfigured to use securely? |
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| 08:37.11 | Juest | galant: i wouldn't say, you have to config it |
| 08:37.28 | Juest | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.08 | galant | :S |
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| 08:39.34 | Juest | galant: what are you doing? you are asking this on ##linux and here, ask one place at the time! |
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| 08:45.22 | tralala | _droid, hmm, it looks like you're trying to create two certificates with the same data. |
| 08:45.29 | tralala | you shouldn't do that |
| 08:46.01 | galant | I am connected from A debian 7 to B centos 6.4 with ssh, I am uploading files from debian to centos with scp, I want to upload files from centos to debian as well but i can't |
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| 08:46.55 | _droid | tralala: ok, y not? |
| 08:47.25 | Vicissitude | ssh server running on both? |
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| 08:49.03 | galant | Vicissitude, yes |
| 08:49.05 | Juest | Vicissitude: don't help this guy, he's a foolish guy who asks on two channels the same thing at the same time |
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| 08:49.21 | tralala | _droid, because openvpn relies on the subject to identify users - if two different users have the same certificate data they will not be distinguished by the server |
| 08:49.26 | Juest | Vicissitude: he's just retarded or something |
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| 08:49.40 | Walex | very few people know that SFTP and the FISH protocol as well as SCP allow uploading/downloading |
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| 08:50.01 | Vicissitude | in that case, I shall return to what I was doing |
| 08:50.22 | Juest | Walex: Neat info ;) |
| 08:50.26 | galant | I think I don't have sftp protocol instaleld on my debian but im not sure |
| 08:50.34 | Walex | actually not many people known that the FISH protocol exists and is supported by most file managers and file transfer program |
| 08:50.38 | galant | I can upload files fro mdebian to centos with scp but not vise vers |
| 08:50.39 | galant | a |
| 08:50.39 | Juest | galant: it's built with your sshd |
| 08:50.46 | galant | Juest, please |
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| 08:50.50 | Juest | galant, you are stupid |
| 08:50.53 | galant | don't speak to me go in hospital or something |
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| 08:51.02 | Juest | Please don't listen this guy, he's trapped in a foolish loop |
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| 08:51.10 | Juest | galant: you should run away |
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| 08:51.40 | Walex | galant: do you use a common filemanager like Nautilus or Konqueror? |
| 08:51.54 | galant | Walex, no man listen :S |
| 08:51.56 | galant | I am connected from A debian 7 to B centos 6.4 with ssh, I am uploading files from debian to centos with scp, I want to upload files from centos to debian as well but i can't |
| 08:52.07 | Juest | galant: you don't see, i think |
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| 08:52.31 | galant | so I guess I don't need SFTP protocol to upload files with scp? :S |
| 08:52.34 | Juest | Walex: don't listen to him, he's a troll trapped in his own foolness...... |
| 08:52.35 | Vicissitude | why can't you? |
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| 08:52.46 | Juest | galant: you can use SCP for *both* sides |
| 08:52.46 | Mathisen | kill -9 galant |
| 08:52.55 | Juest | ^^ +1 |
| 08:52.55 | galant | Vicissitude, I am not sure it says connection timed out |
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| 08:53.29 | Vicissitude | in that case, I'd suspect a firewall |
| 08:53.48 | galant | hm |
| 08:53.51 | galant | maybe |
| 08:54.11 | galant | thanks for help all |
| 08:55.17 | armetiz | first time that I have a problem with SFTP :/ |
| 08:55.22 | Juest | lol |
| 08:55.38 | Juest | armetiz: rly? fw is ok? |
| 08:55.46 | Juest | ssh port? |
| 08:55.57 | armetiz | i'm trying with all chain in ACCEPT mode |
| 08:56.00 | armetiz | :p |
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| 08:56.12 | armetiz | i'm using IPv4, |
| 08:56.17 | Juest | try passive instead of active? |
| 08:56.24 | armetiz | SFTP isn't FTP |
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| 08:56.30 | Juest | so? |
| 08:56.39 | armetiz | there is no active / passive |
| 08:56.39 | Juest | try a reverse connection= |
| 08:56.41 | armetiz | I guess.. |
| 08:56.42 | Juest | ? |
| 08:57.51 | armetiz | http://fetchsoftworks.com/fetch/help/Contents/Concepts/SFTP.html |
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| 09:02.55 | rdz | hi all. is there a tool to extract the version of a certain package from a repo, like from http://download.proxmox.com/debian/dists/squeeze/pve/binary-amd64/Packages ? |
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| 09:03.30 | Juest | hey |
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| 09:03.45 | Juest | why debian development is so slow? |
| 09:03.50 | Juest | sucks as hell |
| 09:04.07 | Vicissitude | slow is stable. we like stable. |
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| 09:04.14 | rdz | Juest, I guess it is because it is meant to be stable |
| 09:04.15 | well_laid_lawn | stability over random updates ftw |
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| 09:04.37 | Juest | ubuntu is the bleeding edge debian? |
| 09:04.46 | rdz | Juest, there are other distros that don't focus on stable so much |
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| 09:04.50 | Juest | and mint the desktop debian? |
| 09:05.00 | rdz | Juest, yes |
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| 09:08.58 | well_laid_lawn | if you want bleeding edge try gentoo or arch |
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| 09:09.19 | well_laid_lawn | edge suggests there will be falls though |
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| 09:09.25 | Juest | well i don't want much bleeding |
| 09:09.27 | Juest | but |
| 09:09.30 | nkuttler | Juest: only Debian is Debian |
| 09:09.32 | Juest | something that "works" |
| 09:09.44 | Juest | well_laid_lawn: i don't want too edgy |
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| 09:09.54 | nkuttler | Juest: many people are quite happy running testing/sid, but you'll need to be familiar with Debian first |
| 09:10.00 | well_laid_lawn | that why there is stable distros and 'not so stable' distros |
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| 09:10.17 | Juest | im looking for a balance distro |
| 09:10.32 | Juest | a distro that haves it all and not so stable |
| 09:10.35 | well_laid_lawn | try the testing version of debian then |
| 09:10.53 | well_laid_lawn | you'll be suprised I think |
| 09:10.56 | deeceedee | Juest: what parts of the software stack are too old for you? |
| 09:10.56 | Juest | i like latest software and stability, in possible, i want a balance of that |
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| 09:11.15 | Vicissitude | then you may enjoy the unstable branch |
| 09:11.16 | well_laid_lawn | you can't have latest,untested and stable |
| 09:11.18 | Juest | deeceedee: hmm, like, idk, DE versions? |
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| 09:11.29 | dioz | I ENJOY BEING UNSTABLE |
| 09:11.33 | Juest | well_laid_lawn: i want at least tested |
| 09:11.39 | well_laid_lawn | try the testing version of debian then |
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| 09:11.42 | well_laid_lawn | you'll be suprised I think |
| 09:11.44 | Juest | well_laid_lawn: know Chrome stages? |
| 09:11.49 | well_laid_lawn | nope |
| 09:11.49 | Juest | the browser |
| 09:11.53 | Juest | the first are |
| 09:11.54 | boudiccas | Where is 'swap' mounted please? like my backup drive is mounted to '/media/boudiccas/backup', but where is '/swap' mounted to? |
| 09:11.58 | well_laid_lawn | don't use it here |
| 09:12.05 | nkuttler | boudiccas: it's not |
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| 09:12.12 | Juest | well_laid_lawn: ok |
| 09:12.17 | Juest | about debian, hmmm |
| 09:12.25 | deeceedee | boudiccas: swap does not get mounted |
| 09:12.26 | Juest | yeah, it guess i will be fine with sid |
| 09:12.35 | well_laid_lawn | boudiccas: have a look in /etc/fstab |
| 09:12.36 | nkuttler | Juest: famous last words |
| 09:12.41 | Juest | boudiccas: you don't mount it, you swapon |
| 09:12.50 | deeceedee | boudiccas: you use swapon and swapoff to "mount" or "unmount" |
| 09:13.03 | Juest | nkuttler: yeah :D |
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| 09:13.18 | Juest | meme! |
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| 09:27.31 | ChrisH | boudiccas: cat /proc/swaps shows the active swap(s) and swap does not get "mounted" its "activated" |
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| 09:30.15 | boudiccas | ChrisH, thank you, thats what i wanted to know. it shows me that swap is at /dev/sda5 and swapspace at /var/lib/swapspace/2. brilliant, thanks |
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| 09:37.36 | drAvanti | hello all |
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| 09:39.40 | f-a | hello debian, a question on bug reporting policies: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=713993#20 <-- This is a bug report I submitted, the maintainer closed it saying "Closing this bug, since it does not occour in unstable". Is that the 'correct' policy? I respect the work of the maintainer, and it would be a tremendous effort to pinpoint the bug, but I wondered if there was a written policy for cases like such. |
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| 09:40.50 | drAvanti | can someone pls help me on how to recover my gnome-classic desktop. I installed the game "supertux", and played it. So after I quit, I the resolution of my desktop was reset, desktop items had bigger texts, etc. So I right-clicked on the desktop to change the resolution to 1280x.... and once I clicked the apply button, suddenly, the whole thing went garbled. Presently, when I login to gnome-classic, different kinda colors keep flickering, the whole scre |
| 09:40.50 | drAvanti | en scrolling right to left once I move my mouse. I cant click anything or change the resolution setting. Im presently logged in using xfce. pls help |
| 09:41.18 | drAvanti | can someone pls help me on how to recover my gnome-classic desktop. I installed the game "supertux", and played it. So after I quit, I discovered the resolution of my desktop was reset, desktop items had bigger texts, etc. So I right-clicked on the desktop to change the resolution to 1280x.... and once I clicked the apply button, suddenly, the whole thing went garbled. Presently, when I login to gnome-classic, different kinda colors keep flickering, the |
| 09:41.19 | drAvanti | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.04 | drAvanti | how do I change the resolution settings of gnome-classic from another desktop login: like xfce |
| 09:42.42 | Juest | drAvanti: you Log in |
| 09:43.08 | Juest | drAvanti: execute the gnome control panel |
| 09:43.10 | drAvanti | Juest, ok, but once I log in, I cant change anything coz the screen is all garbled |
| 09:43.43 | Juest | drAvanti: google how to make a proper XOrg config |
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| 09:43.59 | drAvanti | Juest, if I move my mouse upward, the bottom part of the screen is black, the upper part is garrbled, etc |
| 09:44.22 | drAvanti | Juest, cant I do it from another login since I have terminal access, etc |
| 09:44.31 | Juest | drAvanti: can you switch to console please? |
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| 09:44.55 | Juest | what you mean by login? because login is username-password |
| 09:44.59 | drAvanti | Juest, the console doesnt work. ctrl, alt f1 just shows a black screen, i dont see the login. I tried it yestterday |
| 09:45.00 | Juest | you always login |
| 09:45.23 | drAvanti | Juest, I mean, I dont see the login prompt when i switch to console with gnome classic login |
| 09:45.27 | Juest | drAvanti: Tried nomodeset boot parameter? |
| 09:45.52 | drAvanti | Juest, hmm, no, dont know about nomodeset boot parameter, how do I do this pls |
| 09:46.05 | Juest | drAvanti: with grub, you go edit |
| 09:46.49 | drAvanti | Juest, you mean while logged into xfce, I should edit grub? or |
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| 09:47.42 | Juest | drAvanti: nono, when you are about to boot |
| 09:47.48 | Juest | it's something very early |
| 09:48.06 | Juest | drAvanti: do you see text while you are booting? |
| 09:48.48 | drAvanti | Juest, yes, I see all the text while booting, showing OK, no errors. I then boot to the login prompt then I choose the desktop. I have the gnome default, classic, xfce and lxde |
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| 09:49.09 | drAvanti | Juest, xfce and lxde allow me to login no problems, its just the gnomes |
| 09:49.56 | drAvanti | Juest, I hope this nomodeset wont affect xfce and lxce coz if it does, then im screwed |
| 09:50.24 | drAvanti | cat /etc/default/drub |
| 09:50.48 | Juest | drAvanti: go KDE or lxde |
| 09:50.51 | Juest | and run gnome panel |
| 09:50.59 | Juest | drAvanti: try to modify somehow |
| 09:51.06 | Juest | via the other DE |
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| 09:58.06 | drAvanti | Juest, hi there im back. It worked. Im logged in with my classic now |
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| 09:58.14 | drAvanti | Juest, thanks, ure a lifesaver |
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| 10:00.19 | qiyong | what's the default tool to configure runlevel services? |
| 10:00.35 | Juest | qiyong: there's no tool |
| 10:00.45 | qiyong | Juest: rcconf? |
| 10:01.08 | Juest | idk! |
| 10:01.22 | rdz | hi all. is there an easy way to get the debian release code name in bash? I'd rather not install lsb-core, as it depends on many packages I don't really need |
| 10:01.30 | Juest | uname ? |
| 10:02.03 | rdz | Juest, I don't know how to make uname print the release code name.. do you know how? |
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| 10:02.27 | Juest | idk |
| 10:04.07 | marcusk | rdz: lsb_release, if it's installed |
| 10:04.34 | el-linedash | hrm; Q about insserv |
| 10:04.35 | marcusk | You can give it different flags depending on what you want, the release code name should be one of them. |
| 10:04.41 | rdz | marcusk, thanks.. the thing with lsb_release is that it comes with lsb-core, which pulls in a lot of deps |
| 10:04.59 | JC-lynks | cat /etc/issue |
| 10:05.17 | rdz | JC-lynks, thanks, but it doesn't have the codename |
| 10:05.20 | marcusk | rdz: Really? There should be a separate lsb-release package |
| 10:05.26 | rdz | ah |
| 10:05.28 | el-linedash | I've got a problem where xend is exiting before drbd, which is causing me problems - I've set Required-Start and Required-Stop to include the drbd service |
| 10:05.38 | el-linedash | but on insserv -r xend ; inserv xend |
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| 10:05.48 | rdz | marcusk, you're correct! thanks a lot |
| 10:05.51 | el-linedash | it still pulls xend in front of drbd in rc6.d/ |
| 10:06.14 | el-linedash | anyone any ideas why this might be? |
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| 10:17.05 | el-linedash | nm; whilst the script order was indeed odd, it seems to be honouring the lsb headers now |
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| 10:21.43 | rdz | el-linedash, what did you do to make it work? |
| 10:22.42 | el-linedash | rdz; whilst /etc/rc6.d/ had them listed as K02xend and K03drbd ; implying xend would close first - it seems putting drbd into the required-start / required-stop field in the lsb headers, did indeed cause xend not to stop until the drbd service was ready |
| 10:22.52 | el-linedash | I'm testing to ensure it's worked as intended now |
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| 10:26.50 | rdz | el-linedash, since Debian switched to dependency based boot sequence do the numbers in KXX or SXX actually still mean something? I'm confused by this |
| 10:27.33 | el-linedash | that's a good question. It was unclear to me ; but I thought that insserv simply used the lsb headers to pick the numeric order of [SK]XX |
| 10:27.37 | el-linedash | apparently I was wrong :> |
| 10:28.33 | rdz | el-linedash, indeed confusing.. i would have expected the lsb-headers to be "enough" |
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| 10:29.42 | KidCartouche | rdz: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:30.09 | KidCartouche | rdz: it gives 7.1 on wheezy but you can write a map in bash to do the lookup |
| 10:30.19 | rdz | KidCartouche, actully "lsb_release --short --codename" did the trick |
| 10:30.25 | el-linedash | hrm; it's not working as intended... |
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| 10:30.53 | koshie_ | Hi, I've a lot of package which are not updated since a while now: http://paste.debian.net/16511/ and I don't get why. |
| 10:30.56 | koshie_ | I'm using Jessie |
| 10:31.02 | KidCartouche | rdz: arf toom uch backlog ;-) |
| 10:31.10 | koshie_ | (I'm doing upgrade everyday) |
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| 10:32.22 | raz | hum |
| 10:32.43 | raz | any idea why 'dpkg -p nginx-extras' tells me 'package is not available', but it's installable via 'apt-get install nginx-extras'? |
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| 10:34.05 | koshie_ | -p isn't a way to print some info on the package raz ? |
| 10:34.17 | raz | yes it is |
| 10:34.20 | raz | is there a better way? :) |
| 10:34.31 | hnsz2002 | hi, use anyone nut ups monitor? |
| 10:34.41 | koshie_ | raz: I've the same output than you, now available from dpkg |
| 10:34.44 | koshie_ | but in my repo with apt-get |
| 10:34.57 | koshie_ | What's your goal exactly? |
| 10:35.07 | koshie_ | I've not so many habits with dpkg |
| 10:35.09 | raz | koshie_: yes. there's probably a reason for this difference. i guess what i really want is a command that will give me the description for a pkg at any time (whether its installed or not) |
| 10:35.12 | koshie_ | I'm using apt-get 99% of the time |
| 10:35.20 | koshie_ | raz: apt-cache show ? |
| 10:35.41 | raz | that doesn't seem to display the description |
| 10:35.46 | koshie_ | I have |
| 10:36.09 | koshie_ | http://paste.debian.net/16513/ |
| 10:36.10 | koshie_ | raz: |
| 10:36.21 | koshie_ | Description-en: nginx web/proxy server (extended version) Nginx ("engine X") is a high-performance web and reverse proxy server created by Igor Sysoev. It can be used both as a standalone web server and as a proxy to reduce the load on back-end HTTP or mail servers. |
| 10:36.25 | koshie_ | etc :) |
| 10:36.27 | raz | that's weird |
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| 10:36.37 | raz | sec |
| 10:36.39 | koshie_ | What's your output with apt-cache show? |
| 10:37.18 | raz | koshie_: http://hastebin.com/bacefexavi |
| 10:37.25 | el-linedash | okay; so that's not working as intended after all |
| 10:37.41 | koshie_ | raz: what's your debian? I'm using Jessie. |
| 10:37.45 | koshie_ | I don't know if there is a difference. |
| 10:37.48 | raz | i'm on wheezy |
| 10:38.02 | raz | i wonder what the canonical command is to see the description of any package (installed or not) |
| 10:38.05 | koshie_ | Hum, let me make a try on a deboostrap using wheezy |
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| 10:38.21 | koshie_ | raz: for me it's apt-cache show, and you've a brief description with apt-cache search |
| 10:38.24 | raz | i used to think that is 'dpkg -p', but that has gotten increasingly unreliable for me (i think it used to work reliably before aptitude was invented) |
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| 10:38.30 | el-linedash | so yeah - I've got 'Required-Start: $remote_fs drbd' and 'Required-Stop: $remote_fs drbd' in /etc/init.d/xend ; however xend attempts to stop before drbd |
| 10:38.35 | raz | koshie_: yea.. sadly that one doesn't work for me :/ |
| 10:38.40 | el-linedash | anyone any suggestions why this might be? |
| 10:38.51 | raz | koshie_: do you have nginx-extras installed? perhaps it shows the desc only when its installed |
| 10:39.22 | koshie_ | raz: oh I'm idiot, I've a dedicated on wheezy |
| 10:39.24 | koshie_ | gimme a sec |
| 10:39.42 | Monotoko | how can I work out what emails went out betwen two times in the mail.log? |
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| 10:39.48 | Monotoko | there's a lot of noise... |
| 10:39.49 | Sevet | raz: dpkg -p queries /var/lib/dpkg about installed packages, apt-cache queries /var/cache/apt about packages available to you |
| 10:39.52 | koshie_ | raz: I've the same stuff than my jessie |
| 10:39.56 | koshie_ | a description. |
| 10:40.11 | koshie_ | Anyone has an idea about my update 'issue'? |
| 10:40.23 | raz | Sevet: any idea why apt-cache show doesn't show me the pkg description? |
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| 10:40.36 | Sevet | run apt-get update lately? |
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| 10:40.43 | raz | Sevet: yup |
| 10:40.50 | raz | actually it does show a description, but only one line |
| 10:41.07 | halt | hi anyone useing here the live build , i try to add more then one package to the list, but can't really, and also the man not talking about it |
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| 10:44.25 | MrHatter | It seems i've stuffed something up upgrading from squeeze to wheezy : Unpacking replacement linux-libc-dev ... |
| 10:44.25 | MrHatter | dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-libc-dev_3.2.46-1_i386.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz , giving up |
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| 10:44.54 | MrHatter | any ideas ? |
| 10:44.56 | Sevet | raz: what language is your system running? |
| 10:45.11 | raz | Sevet: C |
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| 10:47.28 | babilen | MrHatter: At which step during the upgrade (as detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) did you encounter that error? It is most likely that you did not follow the installation instructions and, in particular, failed to upgrade the dpkg package. The dpkg version you have installed right now can't handle xz compression. Please paste the entire log of your upgrade to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:48.02 | Sevet | raz: anything different with apt-cache show --full nginx-extras? |
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| 10:48.26 | raz | Sevet: nope. it always only shows me the one line; |
| 10:48.31 | raz | Sevet: escription: nginx web/proxy server (extended version) |
| 10:48.38 | Sevet | not sure why |
| 10:48.43 | raz | Sevet: fwiw, i've installed the package and 'dpkg -p' now shows me the full description |
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| 10:48.55 | raz | that still doesn't help me when i want to see the desc for a pkg that i haven't yet installed, though ;) |
| 10:49.28 | WilliamDotSI | i use Debian 7.1 on an Asrock mb (Intel based chipset, B75) |
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| 10:49.38 | WilliamDotSI | how can i monitor CPU/MB temp sensors? |
| 10:49.44 | WilliamDotSI | still lm-sensors and i2c? |
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| 10:51.55 | Mikicacarica | FREE BRAZZERS ACCOUNTS EVERYDAY HERE ---> http://gratisbrazzers.blogspot.com |
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| 10:52.30 | Arafangion | Also, that was incorrectly spelt. |
| 10:52.38 | WilliamDotSI | :D |
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| 10:54.19 | MrHatter | babilen: thx for replying. It doesn't say here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html anywhere to upgrade dpkg first ? |
| 10:54.46 | MrHatter | I just tried to replay the recorded session and for some reason it failed :( cannot open timing file /root/upgrade-wheezy.time: No such file or directory |
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| 10:56.46 | babilen | MrHatter: So, what *did* you do? Please paste some detailed information to http://paste.debian.net . Which version of dpkg do you have installed and at which step did you run into this problem? |
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| 10:57.50 | MrHatter | babilen: very early on. I upgraded anything squeeze related to the latest, then switched the apt sources to wheezy, did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:58.00 | MrHatter | this happened almost immediately. |
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| 10:58.28 | MrHatter | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.25 (i386). |
| 10:58.47 | babilen | MrHatter: Okay, please paste the *entire* output of those commands and show me "apt-cache policy" "apt-cache policy dpkg" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:59.47 | babilen | MrHatter: 1.14.25 is ancient (and not even the latest version in squeeze) - There is clearly something fishy going on with your system. But please, provide the requested information and we can take it from there. |
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| 11:00.28 | babilen | judd: v dpkg |
| 11:00.29 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15.8.13; jessie: 1.16.10; sid: 1.16.10; wheezy: 1.16.10 |
| 11:01.29 | MrHatter | http://paste.debian.net/16517/ |
| 11:01.43 | MrHatter | hmmm, not sure how dpkg is old. |
| 11:01.54 | MrHatter | unless lenny didn't make it to squeeze properly. |
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| 11:02.01 | MrHatter | which would have been a long time ago. |
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| 11:05.01 | babilen | MrHatter: I have no idea what you did with your system, but you shouldn't have had that dpkg on squeeze. Try adding in squeeze sources again and then run "apt-get update ; apt-get install dpkg apt" |
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| 11:08.29 | MrHatter | babilen. ok I will. I stuffed it somewhere along the line obviously, which is odd, I have done loads of these updates. I am guessing it was late and I was careless. |
| 11:09.32 | babilen | MrHatter: fair enough, not entirely sure about the best procedure but you need a newer dpkg version to handle recent packages. |
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| 11:14.14 | el-linedash | woo; sorted the init script issue |
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| 11:14.22 | el-linedash | the language for Required-Stop is misleading |
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| 11:21.39 | MrHatter | babilen: now I have Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.15.8.13 (i386). |
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| 11:22.47 | MrHatter | am i game now to try going to wheezy ? |
| 11:25.05 | jelly-home | lenny had dpkg 1.14.31, that system may have been early lenny |
| 11:25.12 | babilen | yeah |
| 11:25.32 | jelly-home | probably better to go to thru lenny->squeeze once more |
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| 11:25.45 | jelly-home | with feeling |
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| 11:26.00 | babilen | MrHatter: I would guess so. But it would make sense to make sure that the system is a fully up-to-date squeeze system before attempting this. Make sure you have squeeze sources (only) enabled and then run "apt-get update" followed by "aptitude search ~U" |
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| 11:26.57 | babilen | MrHatter: Out of interest: Which versions of libc6, udev and linux-image* do you have installed? |
| 11:27.14 | babilen | brb, lunch |
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| 11:29.43 | twouters | is there a way to bring up all network interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces including allow-hotplug interfaces with ifup -a? ifup -a --class=hotplug only brings up allow-hotplug interfaces and not the (allow-)auto interfaces |
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| 11:31.36 | AaddeRammer | twouters,: /etc/init.d/networking script maybe? |
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| 11:33.09 | twouters | AaddeRammer: yea, i wanted to avoid the init script, but if it's that or running ifup twice then i'll have to live with it :p |
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| 11:35.28 | AeroNotix | hi I am not usually a debian user, I use other distros. I installed wheezy from the 222mb disk image. When I try to install openssh-server it tells me that the package cannot be found, do I need to like.. update my package list caches like I do with pacman or something? |
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| 11:36.14 | babilen | AeroNotix: Please show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy openssh-server" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:36.36 | AeroNotix | ehh, it's on a different computer |
| 11:36.42 | AeroNotix | 1 sec |
| 11:36.53 | BotaniCar | AeroNotix: is your sources list containing anything ? If not, you need to populate it ( http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ ) |
| 11:36.59 | babilen | NOOOO) |
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| 11:37.46 | babilen | BotaniCar: Please do *not* advocate that website! It is broken and encourages users to use multiple horrible third-party repositories. But the major problem is that it generates broken entries. |
| 11:37.50 | AeroNotix | BotaniCar: it has four entries, the repo locations i set in the installation and 2 other 'security' ones |
| 11:38.11 | AeroNotix | also, when I apt-cache policy openssh-server it says package not found |
| 11:38.16 | babilen | BotaniCar: We've contacted the author, but there is nothing we can do. I've seen many systems with problems because the admin used that website to generate their sources.list |
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| 11:39.38 | babilen | AeroNotix: What you need is a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/16520/ (adapt that to your needs, you might not want contrib, non-free or backports) -- you run "apt-get update" to update the information about available packages on the mirrors and can then install with "apt-get install PKG" |
| 11:39.57 | BotaniCar | babilen: i'm hapily using it for multiple PC's, i agree it needs a critical eye when you pick your repos. Sorry if i'm going against best practices. |
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| 11:40.20 | AeroNotix | babilen: I have a sources.list |
| 11:40.27 | AeroNotix | babilen: I ran apt-get update |
| 11:40.27 | babilen | AeroNotix: This is all discussed in http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 11:41.49 | babilen | BotaniCar: It generates broken entries and causes us lots of pain (users shouldn't use dmm nor any of those third-party repositories) ... but the fact that it does not even generate correct sources.list for the standard Debian repos is unforgivable. |
| 11:42.24 | babilen | AeroNotix: Show me the requested information - I can not help you without seeing actual output. |
| 11:43.27 | babilen | BotaniCar: You can use it (but then what's the point if you already know better?) but please do not advocate it. That website is a horrible disservice to the Debian community, but there is very little we can do about it. |
| 11:44.09 | AeroNotix | babilen: it's a bit annoying to show since it's on another computer |
| 11:44.10 | BotaniCar | As i said, i'm sorry if i advised against best practice, havent had any issues myself, and wasn't aware site had issues. |
| 11:44.14 | AeroNotix | I'll just dick around with it |
| 11:44.21 | babilen | BotaniCar: For example: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ Sid-updates main contrib non-free" is just completely stupid ... |
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| 11:44.36 | Arafangion | I notice that 'unforgivenable' website doesn't even give setup the security updates repo. |
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| 11:45.20 | Arafangion | Oh, it does. |
| 11:45.40 | BotaniCar | babilen: thanks for heads up |
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| 11:46.10 | fu3L | I am looking to get a vps for setting up a shell acount for irc(eggdrop,psybnc) should i get openvz or kvm? And what os should i go for debian/ubuntu/centos? |
| 11:46.10 | babilen | BotaniCar: And we offer a number of metamirrors that can replace per-country mirrors these days. Take a look at http://http.debian.net and cdn.debian.net for information. but in short: please don't advocate that website in here. It is broken and encourages users to use unsupported configurations by mixing in random third-party repositories. |
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| 11:48.06 | babilen | Arafangion, BotaniCar: I mean take a look at the output for unstable and experimental - That's just completely bonkers. I can point out multiple other issues, but in short: Don't use it and don't advocate it. |
| 11:48.32 | babilen | MrHatter: progress? |
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| 11:50.49 | BotaniCar | babilen: you underlined your point,thanks again. ( i wouldnt mind you spending a min and msging me any issues it has with stable release since i just generated a valid list and i dont use unstable/experimental ) |
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| 11:54.39 | babilen | BotaniCar: Well, it should be mostly okay for the stable release, but then our installers configure a valid sources.list anyway -- I tend to recommend http://paste.debian.net/16520/ these days and mention that the user has to make changes. The "/msg dpkg wheezy sources.list" also provides a good overview. |
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| 11:55.04 | BotaniCar | Thanks once again. |
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| 12:09.57 | MalKeshar | Hello everyone. |
| 12:10.11 | Th0masR0ss | Hi |
| 12:10.18 | MalKeshar | I have next problem. debian wheezy, pacemaker 1.1.7-1, corosync 1.4.2-3, booth and booth-pacemaker 0.1.0-1 (default debian versions). crm configure does not have option rsc_ticket, so I can't create rsc_ticket constraint for using booth+pacemaker. I not assured, is it bug, or I miss something. |
| 12:11.01 | MalKeshar | root@ticket1:~# grep -ril rsc_ticket /usr/share/pacemaker/ |
| 12:11.02 | MalKeshar | /usr/share/pacemaker/constraints-1.1.rng |
| 12:11.02 | MalKeshar | /usr/share/pacemaker/constraints-1.2.rng |
| 12:11.14 | MalKeshar | So in constraints-1.* rsc_ticket exist. Also it exist in source tree (I download from debian site) |
| 12:11.26 | MalKeshar | Probably I have to fill bug in debian bugtracker. |
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| 12:13.24 | MalKeshar | root@ticket1:~# crm configure rsc_ticket cluster-req-t_ticket t_ticket: cluster_group loss-policy=fence |
| 12:13.24 | MalKeshar | ERROR: syntax: rsc_ticket cluster-req-t_ticket t_ticket: cluster_group loss-policy=fence |
| 12:14.32 | MalKeshar | So no option and help out from crm |
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| 12:15.59 | MalKeshar | Can someone point me to right direction for resolving this? bugtracker? |
| 12:18.11 | halt | HI all, is there a separated channel for the live debian or can I fire up my question here ? |
| 12:18.37 | jiohdi_ | ask and we'll see |
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| 12:19.26 | halt | ok so, I try to use the live.debian.net live cd builder with the following config and I'm geting the following error, http://paste.debian.net/16531/ |
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| 12:21.17 | halt | following means here " see it in the paste " |
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| 12:23.31 | ezra-s | halt, don't take my word for it because I've never touched what you are touching but,, I would start really checking if /var/cache/apt/archives/util-linux_2.20.1-5.5_i386.deb is the correct size and md5sum |
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| 12:27.55 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have root access to a machine but I can't create a folder |
| 12:28.03 | hyper_ch | to top folder has proper permissions to create one inside |
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| 12:29.26 | halt | ezra-s: this is an automated build by the following website, so i do not have access to it, I mean to check or change it if it's wrong. http://live-build-cgi.debian.net/ |
| 12:29.35 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, does it belong to a networked filesystem? |
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| 12:29.47 | hyper_ch | ered: no |
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| 12:30.07 | ezra-s | halt, you have it in your own disk when that error shows up |
| 12:30.49 | hyper_ch | http://paste.debian.net/16538/ |
| 12:31.06 | hyper_ch | 755 permissions for the web2 folder for root |
| 12:32.01 | MrHatter | babilen: not sure if its progress yet. |
| 12:32.02 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, I see, exit login and login again, if you are su'ing do sudo -i then try again |
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| 12:32.09 | MrHatter | its gone a long way through and barfed a few times. |
| 12:32.26 | MrHatter | I have done one apt-get -f install so far. |
| 12:32.27 | ezra-s | also before doing the mkdir do "pwd" and "whoami" |
| 12:32.29 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: it's root.... not sudo and connected by ssh a few times meanwhile - same result |
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| 12:32.39 | MrHatter | and two apt-get dist-upgrades - on the third. |
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| 12:33.17 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, you connect to ssh directly with root? |
| 12:33.21 | hyper_ch | yes |
| 12:33.31 | hyper_ch | http://paste.debian.net/16539/ |
| 12:34.18 | MrHatter | babilen: thanks for your input, dpkg was certainly the start of my issues. |
| 12:35.09 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, you sure it is not an external fs? care to paste df -h here? |
| 12:35.41 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: http://paste.debian.net/16540/ |
| 12:35.44 | halt | ezra-s: well i do not even have a debian or linux running now, so for sure it's happening on the remote server, this is a service, so they run it on they server, I just hoped someone from the live team is online |
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| 12:36.37 | halt | hyper_ch: what is the permission on the folder ? |
| 12:36.41 | ChrisH | hyper_ch: I would like to see: ls -ld / /var /var/www /var/www/clients /var/www/clients/client1 /var/www/clients/client1/web2 ; cat /proc/mounts ; df -h |
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| 12:37.06 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, you can create anything on any other directory? mount reports / as mounted rw? |
| 12:37.30 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/16541/ |
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| 12:37.45 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: the other web directories are just fine... only that one is somehow messed up |
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| 12:38.53 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: http://paste.debian.net/16542/ |
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| 12:39.32 | MrHatter | babilen: all done. |
| 12:39.35 | ChrisH | hyper_ch: OK. that all looks pretty fine. can you touch a non-existing file? is there anything strange in dmesg? filesystem corruption can trigger such behaviuour. |
| 12:39.41 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, any reports on syslog when you try to create the dir? |
| 12:39.46 | tremon | hyper_ch: other security systems active (e.g. selinux/pax)? does ls -ln show uid 0? |
| 12:39.50 | MrHatter | it appears to have worked, though I won't know until I reboot, which I will go do onsite. |
| 12:39.55 | ezra-s | I'm with ChrisH maybe a fsck is in order |
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| 12:41.34 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: ezra-s: there seems to be a problem with the raid http://paste.debian.net/16543/ |
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| 12:42.14 | ChrisH | hyper_ch: I bet, if you fix the raid you can mkdir again :) |
| 12:42.29 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: will try to... wouldn't have thought of it :) thx |
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| 12:42.41 | ezra-s | mmm |
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| 12:42.52 | tremon | I'd expect to get an IO error if the disk were the problem. Anyway, replace sdb asap |
| 12:42.53 | ezra-s | interesting |
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| 12:43.33 | ezra-s | it's a very big disk |
| 12:43.39 | hyper_ch | 2x 3TB |
| 12:43.43 | Arafangion | THey're *all* very big disks now. |
| 12:43.55 | hyper_ch | my first harddisk had a whooping 240MB |
| 12:44.10 | ezra-s | I would check drivers in use too, sometimes you get errors and it could be the case that the disk is fine but a driver is not |
| 12:44.17 | ChrisH | Are lines 113 and 65 telling different stuff? Both disks are reporting errros? |
| 12:44.21 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: how to check drivers? |
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| 12:44.44 | ezra-s | hyper_ch, lsmod or dmesg to see which are being used on boot up |
| 12:44.44 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: I'll have to check them... but looks like both have a problem |
| 12:44.47 | ezra-s | just to be sure |
| 12:45.01 | ezra-s | you don't want to throw away disks without a real problem |
| 12:45.05 | tremon | ah, hadn't noticed line 65. If both disks are failing, I'd test the disks separately on another controller first |
| 12:45.19 | ezra-s | take bits of the errors you get and google for them, something may come up |
| 12:45.21 | hyper_ch | ezra-s: it's a root server.... I'll ask my host to replace them |
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| 12:45.26 | ChrisH | hyper_ch: looks like you started with very big disks :) My first was a 42MB |
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| 12:45.50 | ezra-s | my first one was 40MB too lol |
| 12:45.55 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: my first computer had 16Mhz, 2x 5 1/4 floppies, no HD and 512kb ram |
| 12:45.55 | Arafangion | remembers trying to fit a few more KB onto his floppies. |
| 12:46.09 | ezra-s | foxen 286 I think it was |
| 12:46.10 | hyper_ch | black7green screen |
| 12:46.17 | hyper_ch | probably 12" |
| 12:46.34 | ChrisH | TI99/A4 no disk, no floppy but we are getting offtopic :) |
| 12:46.37 | hyper_ch | will check on the weekend with the disk status, don't really have time beforehand and don't wanna rush that |
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| 12:47.00 | abrotman | ah, to have 512kb RAM .. |
| 12:47.40 | e2580 | hi. i have 2 dual display nvidia cards (quad monitor) i am running twinview on both cards, and xinerama. my problem is, when i maximize a window, it spans both monitors in the twinview. i want windows to maximize to only 1 monitor. i know i can turn off twin view and user 4 x screens, but there is a huge performance hit when i do this, and it is not bearable. so, what can i do? |
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| 12:48.17 | abrotman | e2580: you might get more help out of #nvidia for a setting like that |
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| 12:49.18 | e2580 | ok, i check there. thanks |
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| 12:54.36 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, I am using Debian, and I have a partition sda1 whitch is mounted as /, I would like to change the size to 90GB, do I have to unmount first to to this? |
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| 12:55.42 | Arafangion | Ephexeve_laptop: I think that depends on whether you're using LVM, and which format you've used. |
| 12:56.49 | Ephexeve_laptop | I am using ext3 and no LVM |
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| 12:57.38 | Ephexeve_laptop | Arafangion: ^ |
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| 12:59.36 | Ephexeve_laptop | Anyone? |
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| 12:59.45 | Arafangion | Ephexeve_laptop: Hmm, looks like you might be able to, although I'd probably consider unmounting it just to be safe... And to back it up. |
| 12:59.57 | Ephexeve_laptop | and also what's the best way for me to change it's size? Using parted? |
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| 13:00.03 | folivora | Hello, seems that gnome-terminal is missing background settings tab after upgrade to v. 3.8.3 . Is there anyway to enable it ? |
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| 13:00.12 | Ephexeve_laptop | Arafangion: Yeah, but unmouting, I will need to boot from a live CD, correct? |
| 13:00.23 | Arafangion | Ephexeve_laptop: Ah, definetely back it up first. |
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| 13:00.41 | Arafangion | Ephexeve_laptop: And you should have a live CD just-in-case. |
| 13:00.44 | Juest | hey |
| 13:00.48 | Juest | should i use lilo? |
| 13:01.04 | Arafangion | Juest: Depends. |
| 13:01.05 | Ephexeve_laptop | Arafangion: so if I unmount it, I will have to change the sie with a live cd, correct? |
| 13:01.13 | Ephexeve_laptop | or can you just unmout while using the system? |
| 13:01.17 | Ephexeve_laptop | (no, rght? ) |
| 13:01.35 | Arafangion | Ephexeve_laptop: I don't know your particular setup. It depends, but it sounds like you're trying to resize your main partition. Again, I dont' know if you have to unmount. |
| 13:01.49 | Juest | Arafangion: i cant install grub because 1) i cant install to partition 2) i have iso9660 on sda1 so it's unable to install |
| 13:02.10 | Juest | Arafangion: Should i install LILO? is LILO easy to use!?!'? |
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| 13:02.30 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: I wouldn't resize partitions and filesystems in situ - Boot from a live cd (e.g. Debian Live or GRML) and do it from there. You have to do two things: 1. Enlarge the partition 2. Grow the filesystem -- You can probably also use dedicated live CDs such as gparted, but you can use parted from "normal" live cds as well. |
| 13:03.46 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: Depending on your current setup you might have to shrink other partitions/filesystem before you can enlarge /dev/sda1 -- gparted might come in handy for this too. |
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| 13:05.08 | ChrisH | Ephexeve_laptop: if you can increase the partiotion continously to 90GB you can modify you partition and afterwards run resize2fs on the mounted filesystem. Standard disclaimer: with LVM with would be all easier. |
| 13:05.12 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: See, for example, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-resize-partition or https://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_chapter/parted_2.html for related documentation |
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| 13:06.26 | babilen | In my experience the tricky part is finding the space needed as that might entail shrinking other partitions/filesystems. Hard to give proper advice without knowing more details thoughl. |
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| 13:07.14 | babilen | But I would definitely recommend: 1. Good/Recent backups and 2. Do this from a live cd not on a running system (resize2fs shouldn't be too tricky on a running system, but ...) |
| 13:07.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | babilen: ChrisH Arafangion You guys kick ass! Thanks dudes! |
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| 13:09.45 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: Your safest bet is probably to boot a live CD and then use parted/gparted from there. You can do this manually, but those tools typically perform well and doing it manually (while interesting) might cause problems |
| 13:10.23 | Juest | Arafangion: hey, so? |
| 13:10.28 | Juest | Arafangion: Should i install LILO? is LILO easy to use!?!'? |
| 13:11.35 | babilen | Juest: I wouldn't recomend to use lilo unless you have a good reason. You typically install a boot loader (that is grub2) to the MBR of the disk your BIOS boots from. Why can't you do that? |
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| 13:11.49 | Juest | babilen: i cant install grub |
| 13:11.54 | babilen | Why? |
| 13:12.10 | Juest | sda1 is iso9660 fs |
| 13:12.17 | Juest | and i cant install to partition |
| 13:12.19 | Ephexeve_laptop | babilen: Thought so |
| 13:12.26 | Ephexeve_laptop | I will try it now, I will let you know the results, thanks! |
| 13:12.32 | Juest | babilen: ^^ |
| 13:13.13 | babilen | Juest: As I said: You would typically install it to the MBR of the disk you boot from. That is you run "grub-install /dev/sda" and not "grub-install /dev/sda1" (or whatever) -- What kind of system is that? How did you install it? Which Debian version did you install? |
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| 13:16.10 | Juest | babilen: Kali linux, (but it uses debian installer and live tools), im diskless, this is a usb stick, i dd'ed the iso and booted of from there to install, install is not finished, im currently in the installer environment, sda1 is the live image which fs is iso9660, sda2 is the ext2 where the system will reside, and i have a swap. |
| 13:16.28 | babilen | dpkg: kali |
| 13:16.28 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 13:16.41 | abrotman | Juest: this is still not the backtrack support channel |
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| 13:16.54 | babilen | 8sigh* |
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| 13:16.57 | abrotman | Juest: you did this for ohours last night with the idea you were installing Debian |
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| 13:32.30 | narcos | Hi there. I want to install 'luma', an ldap browser. I can't see it via 'apt-cache' search, but I do see it here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/luma |
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| 13:33.51 | musca | ,v luma |
| 13:33.52 | judd | Package: luma on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4-3 |
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| 13:34.56 | Sling | whats the recommended way of permanently adding dns-search domains to my network configuration? (wheezy) |
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| 13:35.09 | Sling | (adding them to resolv.conf is probably not persistent) |
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| 13:36.45 | babilen | narcos: You are probably running wheezy which does no longer contain luma (it was probably not maintained anymore and has been removed) |
| 13:37.10 | babilen | judd: bug rm luma |
| 13:37.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/676953 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: luma -- RoQA; qt3»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-06-10; last modified: 2012-07-10. |
| 13:37.16 | jl- | is there a way, in gnome 2.x to set the folder browser so that it doesn't open a new window for each folder that is clicked on |
| 13:37.20 | jl- | but stays in the same window |
| 13:37.39 | narcos | babilen: Could you recommend another ldap browser...? |
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| 13:40.21 | babilen | narcos: Not sure what "browsing" ldap means, but if you are looking for graphical clients you can take a look at the programs that are listed when you run "debtags search protocol::ldap" |
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| 13:41.22 | narcos | babilen: Super useful command, ta |
| 13:41.31 | babilen | narcos: jxplorer might be what you are looking for, or ldap-account-manager, or ... |
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| 13:41.54 | babilen | narcos: You might also like apt-xapian-index (which can search tags also) |
| 13:41.59 | babilen | (among other things) |
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| 13:42.34 | narcos | babilen: Yes! jxplorer looks good |
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| 13:44.42 | narcos | On another note, do you know if it's possible to update flash from the command line? (i.e. not through the browser) |
| 13:45.00 | narcos | I'm writing a script to deploy to many machines, and need to make sure their flash is up to date |
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| 13:45.58 | Arafangion | narcos: To *update* flash from the command line? Definetely. |
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| 13:46.10 | narcos | Arafangion: Yes please, that |
| 13:46.19 | Arafangion | narcos: It's how you install it normally, on linux. |
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| 13:46.33 | tremon | narcos: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Upgrade, if you're talking about adobe flashplayer |
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| 13:47.01 | Arafangion | narcos: There's also a free flash clone though, I forget the name. gnash, I think it's called. Use aptitude to install that one. |
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| 13:47.24 | Arafangion | narcos: But it isn't as good. Less likely to chew up battery and hog your RAM, though, possibly. Flash has a bad rep. gnash may be just as bad. :) |
| 13:47.34 | narcos | ahhh ok |
| 13:47.59 | narcos | thanks tremon + Arafangion :) |
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| 13:50.13 | Mackwerk | Hey guys, I just tried setting up a cron job, but it ran them 2 or 3 times in a row, so I googled a bit and saw a guy that said to make sure crond wasn't running multiple times by executing ps -A (result: https://dpaste.de/Gnxrw/ ) so the cron process is there multiple times, do you know how I can fix this? |
| 13:51.57 | digdilem | Mackwerk, don't worry too much about cron running too many times, let debian take care of that. What is often a concern is scripts that are called by cron not closing cleanly, or quickly enough before the next one starts |
| 13:52.18 | digdilem | if that is possible, make your script use a lock or semaphore file to see if it's running already, or even check ps itself |
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| 13:52.37 | Mackwerk | digdilem, that is the problem yes, i set it to run every hour (* */1 * * * command) but it runs every minute almost :O |
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| 13:52.47 | digdilem | um |
| 13:52.57 | digdilem | that's set to run every minute |
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| 13:53.05 | digdilem | 0 * * * * for once an hour at :00 |
| 13:53.12 | Mackwerk | O_O |
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| 13:53.30 | Mackwerk | in crontab -e it says m h dom mon dow command |
| 13:53.31 | digdilem | */1 is every hour, divided by itself (or similar, i forget the wording) |
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| 13:53.54 | digdilem | */5 is every five minutes, but would be in the minutes slot, not the hour |
| 13:54.13 | Mackwerk | but my crontab says that the minutes slot is the first one? |
| 13:54.16 | digdilem | by specifying 0 (or any fixed minute) you tell it when you want to run |
| 13:54.20 | jl- | is there a way, in gnome 2.x to set the folder browser so that it doesn't open a new window for each folder that is clicked on |
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| 13:54.22 | Arafangion | Most. Confusing. Syntax. Ever. (But it's concise!) |
| 13:54.23 | jl- | but stays in the same window |
| 13:54.42 | digdilem | this is hard to explain here, Mackwerk, but 0 * * * * will run a command once an hour at :00 |
| 13:55.00 | digdilem | 0 2 * * * will run it at 2 am every day |
| 13:55.08 | tremon | Mackwerk: a * in the minutes slot means "trigger every minute" |
| 13:55.17 | Mackwerk | aha |
| 13:55.22 | Mackwerk | ok |
| 13:55.27 | digdilem | yah, thanks, I was explaining badly |
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| 13:56.29 | Mackwerk | thanks, digdilem and tremon :) I was about to panic :( |
| 13:56.30 | tremon | with regular cron, there is no way to specify that you want something to run "every hour, I don't care when in the hour". You have to be explicit about when to run |
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| 13:57.11 | Mackwerk | tremon, I see. I like explicit anyway \o/ |
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| 13:58.03 | Arafangion | Mackwerk: There's also the question of what to do when you somehow skip the time. |
| 13:58.21 | Mackwerk | Arafangion, skip the time? Will the system allow that? |
| 13:58.39 | Arafangion | Mackwerk: Such as when the computer's off, or when the computer's clock is adjusting, or most especially when the timezone / daylight savings changes. (But it should be in UTC anyway, iirc) |
| 13:59.49 | Arafangion | Mackwerk: Also, keep in mind that scheduled tasks can take longer than the scheduled time allows. Behaviour may differ when a task that is scheduled to be every '5 minutes', but takes 6 minutes to run. |
| 14:00.08 | Arafangion | Mackwerk: So by being explicit, you're still being remarkably vague. There's a LOT of variable.s |
| 14:00.12 | digdilem | that's what I started with, Arafangion. race conditions |
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| 14:00.31 | Arafangion | digdilem: I should've read the backlog, then. :) |
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| 14:00.55 | digdilem | :) |
| 14:00.58 | Mackwerk | Arafangion, uhuh, I see. Cron is a science |
| 14:01.15 | digdilem | it's not that hard to learn to drive though |
| 14:01.27 | Arafangion | Ah, yes. Mackwerk: That's what digdilem was referring to when he suggested that you use a lock file or something, to detect if it's already running. (Which it would, if it takes 6 minutes but it runs every 5 minutes...) |
| 14:01.41 | Mackwerk | Yes |
| 14:01.41 | digdilem | and debian will often advise you if you screwed up the crontab |
| 14:01.51 | Arafangion | That's good. |
| 14:02.10 | digdilem | the only problems I've ever encountered is when one of my own scripts didn't cope well with stale tcp/ip sockets and sat there dumbly. |
| 14:02.32 | digdilem | I started getting process count alerts but by the time I could get there it had risen to several thousand instances |
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| 14:03.03 | Mackwerk | Kill all the things? |
| 14:03.19 | digdilem | and then make my script a bit smarter :) |
| 14:03.27 | digdilem | through such things we learn |
| 14:03.37 | Arafangion | I prefer event-based systems. |
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| 14:09.57 | Arafangion | (But that's got more setup, and is more programming heavy) |
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| 14:18.09 | Arafangion | cron's a useful trigger, though. |
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| 14:18.16 | digdilem | i used to use semaphore files (equivalent to pid/run files I guess, but more simplistic) a lot when coding in c for dos and communicating with TSRs via a single threaded environment, but don't often have the need so much now - but sometimes something comes up that they're perfect for. |
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| 14:18.16 | digdilem | and yes, it's hard to imagine sysadminning without cron |
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| 14:18.16 | Arafangion | digdilem: Not really, sadly. |
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| 14:18.17 | Arafangion | digdilem: Don't think it's part of windows, and windows still has people sysadminning it. |
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| 14:18.17 | Arafangion | (Now, there's a system in the dark ages) |
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| 14:18.26 | digdilem | Arafangion, let's not talk of windows adminning. Let's keep this a happy place. |
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| 14:22.50 | Ryushin | Is there anyone here who can fix a message I sent to a bug report? The word wrap was turned off and my post is all on one line. An embarrassing faux pas. |
| 14:25.48 | nvz | Ryushin: probably need to contact the maintainer would be my guess |
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| 14:26.09 | Ryushin | nvz: Thanks. |
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| 14:27.59 | babilen | Ryushin: I don't think that it could or should be fixed -- Feel free to send another mail with "proper" formatting. I mean it is, naturally, possible to do this *somehow* but it'll be work that has to be done by people with the required privileges and IMHO simply not worth it. |
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| 14:29.01 | babilen | Ryushin: Most mail clients should be able to wrap your mail anyway and maintainers are typically capable of using text editors that make it easy to wrap your post |
| 14:29.09 | babilen | :) |
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| 14:37.50 | Ryushin | babilen: I'm looking at the post in the bug from the web site. I always hate it when it does not wrap and you have to scroll the browser bar to read the sentence. Just feel like a noob. :( |
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| 14:40.30 | babilen | Ryushin: I understand, but meh ... happens |
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| 14:43.00 | basiclas- | hi |
| 14:43.05 | basiclas- | :quit |
| 14:43.05 | Moonlightning | What are the benefits of updating to Wheezy? |
| 14:43.37 | dmbaturin | Moonlightning: Newer packages, for instance. |
| 14:43.42 | dmbaturin | Multiarch support. |
| 14:43.57 | basiclas- | hallo |
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| 14:44.01 | Moonlightning | Newer packages? |
| 14:44.22 | dmbaturin | No gnome2, which is only advantage if you used something else. |
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| 14:46.53 | enkidu | abrotman: problems solved |
| 14:47.02 | abrotman | how so? |
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| 14:47.28 | enkidu | abrotman: problems were on router, it wasnt routing this machine. Of course router is running debian ;) |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 14:47.47 | abrotman | /win 14 |
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| 14:48.43 | enkidu | udev failed to enumerate NICs properly |
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| 14:50.37 | drAvanti | hello sirs |
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| 14:50.57 | drAvanti | can someone pls help. VLC is not working. Yesterday it worked. |
| 14:51.03 | petn-randall | Is there a recommended size for the "BIOS Boot" partition (!=/boot) on gpt? |
| 14:51.20 | petn-randall | I couldn't find any info on how large it should be, and what grub puts in there. |
| 14:51.38 | drAvanti | I have uninstalled and reinstalled vlc, still the same, not working. All I see is a black screen as if the file is going to play, but no audio and the progress timer doesnt change |
| 14:52.04 | enkidu | drAvanti: nvidia graphics card? |
| 14:52.18 | drAvanti | enkidu, I dont know, pls how do I check |
| 14:52.37 | enkidu | lspci | grep NV |
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| 14:54.27 | drAvanti | enkidu, nothing is displayed, Just went to the next prompt |
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| 14:55.07 | enkidu | so it is not NVidia card. what is vlc's video output? |
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| 14:56.00 | drAvanti | enkidu, when I right click to open / play a video with vlc, it just opens the video, but no audio, no progress %, just the vlc interface |
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| 14:56.33 | enkidu | I know it. What is your vlc's video output sink? |
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| 14:57.50 | enkidu | try changing it |
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| 15:00.24 | Moonlightning | Looking at the packages, it seems you have to update the OS to get (most?) package updates? |
| 15:00.53 | Moonlightning | For example, Squeeze only has weechat 0.3.2 (which is /incredibly/ old afaik), and Wheezy has 0.3.8 |
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| 15:01.08 | Moonlightning | doesn't understand this. |
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| 15:01.57 | themill | What is a debian release if not a set of packages that are tested to work with each other? |
| 15:02.03 | jkamp | Because it's built against the libraries and such used in that release? |
| 15:02.45 | themill | Moonlightning: that particular package is also available in squeeze-backports, but this is a good time to be upgrading to wheezy in any case... |
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| 15:04.01 | Moonlightning | themill: updating seems like a lot of trouble, though. |
| 15:04.15 | drAvanti | enkidu, pls how do I check the video sink? |
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| 15:04.39 | jkamp | Moonlightning: in what way? Not many distros are as easy as Debian to upgrade. |
| 15:04.39 | petn-randall | Moonlightning: I refute your claim. :) |
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| 15:05.06 | charles95 | just change squeeze to wheezy in sources and you're good to go! |
| 15:05.08 | Moonlightning | It would be easier to just build from source whenever a new version of <program> comes out. |
| 15:05.10 | themill | Moonlightning: well it's something that you have to do in the next 10 months anyway. |
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| 15:05.52 | Moonlightning | And I would get a newer version. |
| 15:06.06 | petn-randall | Moonlightning: It actually isn't. That's the whole point of a distro; it takes away the tedious task of building software. |
| 15:06.18 | jkamp | doesn't understand that logic. |
| 15:06.21 | Moonlightning | But the tradeoff is that you get /older/ software. |
| 15:06.40 | jkamp | s/older/stable |
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| 15:07.07 | petn-randall | Moonlightning: Sure. If you don't like it, there is a plethora of newer, less tested software. Ubuntu, Arch, Gentoo, etc. are just a mouse-click away. |
| 15:07.11 | themill | Moonlightning: do you really think so? Perhaps you should try that if you think that's easier. |
| 15:08.18 | Fozzy | might be the wrong place, but I have a question about debchange. Older versions (Lenny at least) would prevent me from specifying the same version twice, and require me to append extra changes. Newer versions auto-append changes or allow multiple changelog sections for a version. Is there an easy way to replicate the old behavior with debchange/dch? |
| 15:08.22 | Moonlightning | How is /stable/ defined? o.o |
| 15:08.31 | Moonlightning | Because I've seen a /lot/ of things that are just really really old. |
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| 15:09.01 | charles95 | stable is stuff that has been well tested and is known to work |
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| 15:10.14 | jhutchins | !stable |
| 15:10.14 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 15:10.36 | Moonlightning | Yeaaaah, I don't think this is for me. |
| 15:10.51 | jhutchins | Moonlightning: Note that Debian packages are patched and do not correspond directly to "upstream" packages with the same version numbers. |
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| 15:11.33 | themill | considering weechat 0.38 is 45 keystrokes away, I'm not sure it's much of an argument. |
| 15:11.35 | jhutchins | Moonlightning: It's good for production systems where you don't want a MySQL update to suddenly take down your server. |
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| 15:11.44 | Moonlightning | Yeah, /that/ makse sense. |
| 15:11.49 | Moonlightning | makes * |
| 15:11.51 | basiclas- | Hi all, I broke my software index. repairs fail and give me this(3 different errors separated by /// ): http://pastebin.com/zYaQtKw0 |
| 15:11.58 | Moonlightning | But…I don't need that for /everything/ xP |
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| 15:12.10 | Moonlightning | Actually, I don't think I need it for anything o.o |
| 15:12.16 | Moonlightning | Maybe InspIRCd. Maybe. |
| 15:12.23 | petn-randall | basiclas-: You're looking for #ubuntu |
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| 15:12.29 | jhutchins | Moonlightning: No, and there area projects that are making significant progress and are nice to have the most current version on. |
| 15:12.32 | exitlight | hi whats debian 7.0 default audio tools for listening music? thx |
| 15:12.42 | Moonlightning | jhutchins: Area projects? |
| 15:13.25 | charles95 | exitlight it depends on the desktop environment. if you are using gnome then the tool is Rhythmbox |
| 15:13.33 | jhutchins | Moonlightning: Things like calibre, where they've added major functions like fetching ebooks directly, but rely on newer versions of the language (ruby or python, I don't remember). |
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| 15:14.00 | exitlight | charles95 i prefer standard cli commands |
| 15:14.01 | jhutchins | Moonlightning: I mean sendmail is not going to have any major features added, but there are things that are still moving pretty fast. |
| 15:14.11 | charles95 | ohhhh |
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| 15:14.44 | jhutchins | charles95: There are a lot of options. |
| 15:14.48 | exitlight | charles95 need to test laptop audio, and dont want to waste bandwidth :p |
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| 15:15.04 | themill | exitlight: aplay then |
| 15:15.04 | jhutchins | er, exitlight |
| 15:15.12 | jhutchins | exitlight: mpg123? |
| 15:15.17 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 15:15.18 | exitlight | jhutchins yarp? |
| 15:15.18 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 15:15.19 | Moonlightning | jhutchins: yeah, I think I would prefer a more fast-moving package system. |
| 15:15.20 | charles95 | mpg123 maybe? |
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| 15:15.26 | Moonlightning | /Much/ more fast-moving… |
| 15:15.28 | jkamp | Moonlightning: You may also consider upgrading to TESTING. It's USUALLY quite stable and software is about as current as Ubuntu. Sometimes more. |
| 15:15.57 | jhutchins | exitlight: So we assume that aplay is installed at a fairly basic level. |
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| 15:16.30 | Moonlightning | Or maybe I should go back to the beginning and have a look at all the distros. xP |
| 15:16.35 | themill | Moonlightning: choose the tools that are appropriate to the job. If you want to spend all your life maintaining software and not using it. You can't refuse to upgrade from *old*stable and complain that the packages are too old. |
| 15:16.47 | exitlight | mpg123 is not listed on the content file |
| 15:16.57 | Moonlightning | Fair enough. |
| 15:16.57 | exitlight | debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.iso.contents |
| 15:17.35 | charles95 | mp3blaster? |
| 15:17.47 | exitlight | why cant i find aplay either? |
| 15:18.13 | exitlight | charles95 if not even aplay is included... |
| 15:18.20 | ChrisH | exitlight: did you run aptitude search mpg123 ? My 7.1 does show it. from standard repos. |
| 15:18.38 | exitlight | ChrisH no i dont have debian installed yet |
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| 15:19.02 | ChrisH | ,v mpg123 |
| 15:19.03 | judd | Package: mpg123 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.12.1-3; wheezy: 1.14.4-1; jessie: 1.15.3-1; sid: 1.15.3-1 |
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| 15:19.25 | exitlight | ChrisH is there a live cd version of 7.1 already? |
| 15:19.26 | ChrisH | exitlight: these are the versions avaliable for the different versions of Debian. |
| 15:19.59 | ChrisH | exitlight: no idea on live cd for 7.1. I do installations or use virtual box for test installations. |
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| 15:20.18 | exitlight | since 7.0 is the newest live version available |
| 15:20.34 | charles95 | I did a netinstall of 7.1 and mpg123 is not installed on my machine |
| 15:20.36 | themill | there are very few changes between 7.0 and 7.1 |
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| 15:21.26 | exitlight | themill cant find any audio tools on it, help me |
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| 15:21.40 | jharri34_ | hello all |
| 15:21.43 | themill | charles95: nor are about 30000 other packages |
| 15:22.14 | themill | exitlight: you can always install extra packages in the livecd |
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| 15:22.59 | exitlight | themill how? |
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| 15:23.47 | themill | the same way you normally install packages |
| 15:23.58 | exitlight | themill ok |
| 15:24.22 | jharri34_ | im trying to do android development on Debian wheezy 64bit but all my reaseach search shows me that that it only works on the 32bit version debian please help me install the new architecture without completely messing up my compter |
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| 15:25.38 | exitlight | themill can i do it on netinstall? |
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| 15:26.20 | JordiGH | So wheezy is multiarch, right? How do I install zsnes on amd64, then? |
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| 15:27.07 | musca | !multiarch |
| 15:27.08 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 15:28.28 | jhutchins | JordiGH: Multiarch usually refers to the above, if you wanted an actually different, uncompatible architecture you'd have to build a chroot environment for it. |
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| 15:30.10 | marjolein | hi, after a repeir I just got my computer back with a new (different) graphics card |
| 15:30.34 | JordiGH | jhutchins: But... this should allow me to install zsnes, right? |
| 15:30.38 | marjolein | can anynoe tell me if there is a software method to determine whether the card has 1GB or 2GB installed memory? |
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| 15:32.14 | jkamp | marjolein: lspci -vv |
| 15:32.39 | petn-randall | marjolein: lshw might show you this, if lspci -vv doesn't |
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| 15:33.06 | themill | JordiGH: only if all its dependencies are multiarch'd. "Probably". |
| 15:33.09 | jhutchins | JordiGH: I don't think it works for alien architectures, just the two AMD/Intel compatible 32/64 bits. |
| 15:33.14 | z3l | Is it worth to recompile a kernel on a notebook Asus K52JT ? |
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| 15:33.51 | JordiGH | jhutchins: Yeah, zsnes has some i386 assembly, so it can't run on amd64. |
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| 15:34.03 | JordiGH | Well, can't compile as a 64-bit binary. |
| 15:34.16 | ChrisH | z3l: Why do you want to do that? I did not compile kernels for years. |
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| 15:34.22 | JordiGH | Kinda funny that people still write nonportable assembly, eh? |
| 15:34.34 | jhutchins | JordiGH: Ok, I was misunderstanding zsnes. Yeah, should work. |
| 15:34.50 | jhutchins | JordiGH: I thought you wanted a native NES architecture to compile stuff. |
| 15:34.54 | z3l | ChrisH: I thought, it would optimize the system. |
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| 15:35.02 | JordiGH | No, man. |
| 15:35.09 | JordiGH | I want an emulator to play Final Fantasy 6 onn. |
| 15:35.10 | JordiGH | on. |
| 15:35.18 | marjolein | jkamp, thanks - I see 'VGA compatible controller' in there, but nothing that looks like 1G or 2G |
| 15:35.41 | jhutchins | z3l: You probably won't be able to tell the difference. THe kernel does a pretty good job at optimizing itself to the local hardware at runtime. |
| 15:35.48 | charles95 | lspci -vvv |
| 15:35.50 | petn-randall | z3l: "WinOptimizer2000" isn't available for Debian :) |
| 15:36.04 | nvz | these days they're emulating old 8 and 16bit consoles right in the browser on websites.. |
| 15:36.08 | marjolein | petn-randall, lshw gives me 'command not found' |
| 15:36.15 | ChrisH | z3l: I would not expect anything but stress and non working stuff. |
| 15:36.20 | nvz | marjolein: apt-get install lshw |
| 15:36.28 | jhutchins | marjolein: That will happen when the program is not installed. |
| 15:36.31 | jkamp | marjolein: look for Package: * |
| 15:36.32 | jkamp | Pin: release a=testing |
| 15:36.43 | jkamp | er.. not that. sorry |
| 15:36.49 | petn-randall | z3l: The only reason you'd ever compile a linux kernel is to do kernel development, or because neither stable NOR backports has a new enough kernel for your hardware. |
| 15:37.05 | petn-randall | marjolein: Install it! It's the package of the same name. |
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| 15:37.29 | jkamp | marjolein: Region 0: Memory at....[size=256MB] |
| 15:37.33 | Roenie | ...or when you need to enable kernel support for something that wasn't enabled by default |
| 15:38.08 | charles95 | lspci -vvv (that is 3 v's) should show you the memory for graphics |
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| 15:39.19 | jkamp | charles95: mine shows it even with one 'v' heh. |
| 15:39.39 | charles95 | maybe it's because I have integrated graphics |
| 15:39.51 | charles95 | but mine wants 3 v's |
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| 15:41.08 | z3l | Thank you. |
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| 15:42.48 | marjolein | lshw installed :) found the card, under resources it lists 3 different 'memory' and 1 'ioport' - now I need to do some hex arithmetic :) |
| 15:42.55 | jhutchins | petn-randall: You might also compile your own if you needed to strip it down to minimize the size. |
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| 15:43.46 | jha__ | i want to encrypt a root file system on a vserver... it comes with a minimal debian installation. how do i approach that on a running system that i can only access through ssh? |
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| 15:44.14 | jha__ | the thing needs to be able to boot without prompting for a pw |
| 15:44.30 | charles95 | jhutchins: I seem to remember that Slackware had a massive kernel that needed to be trimmed down a bit |
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| 15:45.08 | ChrisH | jha__: I do not expect this is possible. I allways did the encyption during installation. |
| 15:45.33 | tremon | jha__: you can put a keyfile on the /boot partition, and use cryptsetup's passdev script |
| 15:46.04 | ChrisH | jha__: ifyou want to " be able to boot without prompting for a pw" why do you want to encrpyt at all? You can use a USB Stick with the passkey |
| 15:46.06 | jha__ | thanks, gonna google and read the fm |
| 15:46.24 | tremon | jha__: read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz |
| 15:46.41 | jha__ | ChrisH: i dont want any of the isp guys to be able to read my stuff |
| 15:46.54 | jha__ | ChrisH: does that make sense? |
| 15:47.06 | jha__ | tremon: thanks a lot |
| 15:47.26 | ChrisH | jha__: but if the key is on the system they can boot and read. you want an encypted container with a filesystem inside for your private stuff |
| 15:47.33 | tremon | jha__: you will not be able to achieve that, because if you want to boot it unattended, the unlock key must be available in plain text somewhere on the server |
| 15:47.56 | tremon | (that being "don't want isp to access my stuff") |
| 15:47.57 | Sevet | jha: also it sounds like you're talking about converting / to be encrypted while it's running and mounted? i don't think that's possible |
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| 15:48.32 | jha__ | if i'd be able to encrypt my mail and webserver folders it would be sufficient i guess |
| 15:48.44 | ChrisH | jha__: if you do not trust your provider, get a new one. |
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| 15:49.29 | ImaLamer | you shouldn't trust any provider |
| 15:49.46 | ImaLamer | and worse yet, they have all the access they need already |
| 15:49.48 | ChrisH | ImaLamer: thats the other approach :) |
| 15:49.53 | jha__ | ChrisH: not that i am hosting anything super secret but i trusted my gmail account until 6 weeks ago and now i trut nobody |
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| 15:50.50 | ChrisH | jha__: read about partial encrpyted Filesystem container. But take care, if its mounted its readable for anyone which access to the system. |
| 15:50.52 | ImaLamer | jha__: the security issue you are facing is when you put information in the hands of others |
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| 15:51.29 | ChrisH | ... and if you are in the US its even worse then in europe. |
| 15:51.34 | marjolein | petn-randall, jkamp it looks like 2x 256MB - that's not 1G or 2G - #confuzzled |
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| 15:52.10 | ImaLamer | ChrisH: I don't see how that's true - governments everywhere are in the same business as the US |
| 15:52.27 | ImaLamer | ChrisH: not being defensive because i'm american, being realistic |
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| 15:53.35 | jha__ | ChrisH: thanks! I got a vserver through a swiss company that is hosted in germany... they do offer to install individual images on their dedicated servers but not the vservers... i encrypting any filesystem stuff in a virtual machine pointless then? |
| 15:53.42 | ChrisH | ImaLamer: yes, but situatuin is different. Its forbidden and done against the law in europe, whereas (from my understading) there is no law on data protection and security. |
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| 15:54.35 | ChrisH | jha__: I only put public stuff on external systems. Private mail are only on systems located at home. |
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| 15:55.25 | petn-randall | marjolein: Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net, so we can have a look at it. |
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| 15:55.51 | jha__ | ChrisH: unfortunately there are frequent power outages and internet disconnections where i live |
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| 15:56.06 | jha__ | ChrisH: but i udnerstand what you are saying |
| 15:56.52 | ChrisH | jha__: then you need a decicated server with LOM/console access and encrypt it. |
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| 15:59.57 | ChrisH | jha__: we (company) run several internal servers with encrypted disks. As the key is in a USB stick we can boot tgem without interacting and in case a disk fails we can send it back to the vendor. unencrypted disk will be destroyed to avoid any problems with laws on data securoty. |
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| 16:02.30 | jha__ | ChrisH: so since the key for a partial encrpyted filesystem container is going to be stored on the harddisk there is no point in doing it while it is mounted and runs in a virtual machine that the isp people have access to? |
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| 16:04.31 | ChrisH | jha__: I do not know your exact setup, but it can make no sense. As long as you have physical access to a system there is most time a way to get to the data. Its a matter of your personal paranioa. |
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| 16:04.38 | tremon | jha__: I'd say that "no point" is perhaps a bit strong, but there's little benefit if the key is stored with the encrypted data |
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| 16:06.29 | jha__ | thanks a lot guys |
| 16:06.45 | mumpitzel | tremon: even when not, it's no point when the system runs in some remote datacenter |
| 16:07.29 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: output pasted here: http://paste.debian.net/16582/ |
| 16:07.48 | marjolein_ | (sorry I had to move to the other machine) |
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| 16:09.49 | wakd | jha__, umm, sorry if I'm being dense, just wondering what's the benefit of encrypting the mail folder? If the individual mail's not encrypted, can't it be read anywhere in transit? |
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| 16:16.29 | jha__ | wakd: well i was under the impression that if encrytp the whole content on the vserver setup the hosters sys admins can only "destroy" but not read it. apparently that thinking is flawed :( |
| 16:17.21 | jha__ | wakd: also i am just using the mail and webserserver stuff for myself and do not host other users |
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| 16:18.43 | jhutchins | jha__: It's probably not worth the potential problems for something like that. You have a contract with the hosting company that says what they're supposed to do, if they don't follow it there's not much more you can do. |
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| 16:19.12 | jhutchins | jha__: We do occasionally get people in here who have encrypted a disk and something has gone wrong so they can't access the data any more. |
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| 16:20.20 | wakd | jha__, from a newbie perspective I'm thinking if they wanted to read your mail, they could read it before they delivered it to your server. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. |
| 16:20.46 | jha__ | makes sense |
| 16:21.21 | wakd | I'm thinking that the actual mail message should be encrypted |
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| 16:22.17 | jhutchins | wakd: Remember that even if the text is encrypted, the metadata is still open. |
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| 16:22.43 | wakd | ok |
| 16:22.54 | xeiro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.03 | debi | tormail.org |
| 16:23.10 | marjolein_ | can anyone make sense of this please: http://paste.debian.net/16582/ |
| 16:23.13 | jha__ | i guess a vserver is never going to amke for the paranoid anyway since I have no way to validate that the virtual amchine has no backdoors... there are probably more issues that i am not yet aware of |
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| 16:24.51 | marjolein_ | I want to find out whether my new graphics card has 1G or 2G memory on board |
| 16:28.11 | musca | marjolein_: which driver do you use? |
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| 16:28.48 | marjolein_ | musca just basic debian driver |
| 16:29.45 | spreeuw | dmesg | grep VRAM |
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| 16:30.33 | marjolein_ | musca: xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.14.4-8 |
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| 16:32.49 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Sorry, no idea then. Maybe the PCI ID is unambiguous and you can google with how much RAM it comes. |
| 16:32.52 | marjolein_ | grr - it doesn't look like MSI even *has* a linux driver for the card |
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| 16:33.30 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Why would you want a driver from the MSI website? It's already in your kernel. |
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| 16:33.52 | musca | !fglrx dkms |
| 16:33.52 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 16:33.53 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: default is 1G, booklet tells me it's eitehr 1G or 2G |
| 16:34.06 | deeceedee | marjolein_: The driver will be radeon or fglrx |
| 16:34.23 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Maybe dmidecode will tell you? |
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| 16:34.44 | deeceedee | marjolein_: You might find the information in the Xorg log or the kernel boot logs |
| 16:34.45 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: the desciption for xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.14.4-8 does not mention the model I have |
| 16:35.17 | deeceedee | marjolein_: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is just the radeon X server driver |
| 16:35.18 | marjolein_ | http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R7750-PMD1GD5-OC.html#/?div=Driver&os=All |
| 16:35.59 | marjolein_ | I just don't understand why the two command list 256M, instead of at least 1G |
| 16:36.18 | marjolein_ | if the kernel supports it, why is that a different number? |
| 16:36.45 | deeceedee | where did you get 256? |
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| 16:37.16 | marjolein_ | deeceedee: http://paste.debian.net/16582/ |
| 16:37.27 | marjolein_ | both outputs seem to match |
| 16:38.31 | deeceedee | marjolein_: run `dmesg | grep VRAM` |
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| 16:40.03 | marjolein_ | deeceedee: that gives me nothing at all :( |
| 16:40.56 | deeceedee | maybe your already using the FGLRX driver |
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| 16:41.20 | deeceedee | marjolein_: run `dmesg | grep -i fglrx` |
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| 16:42.01 | tony98 | hello |
| 16:42.05 | tony98 | ciao |
| 16:42.10 | tony98 | !list |
| 16:42.10 | dpkg | tony98: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 16:42.11 | marjolein_ | deeceedee: nothing :( |
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| 16:42.30 | petn-randall | Welcome to #debian, tony98. |
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| 16:42.50 | deeceedee | marjolein_: odd |
| 16:42.55 | marjolein_ | and I don't have anything fglrx* activated |
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| 16:43.25 | deeceedee | marjolein_: try `dmesg | grep -i radeon` |
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| 16:44.03 | marjolein_ | ah, now I'm getting soething: |
| 16:44.05 | marjolein_ | [ 4.024446] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. |
| 16:44.05 | marjolein_ | [ 4.028369] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 16:44.20 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Don't paste into the channel! The bot will kick you for that. |
| 16:44.36 | abrotman | it does tell you what to install ... |
| 16:44.44 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: sorry - I thought just two lines was OK |
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| 16:45.09 | marjolein_ | yes, firmware-linux-nonfree is not installed |
| 16:45.22 | deeceedee | marjolein_: ye maybe try the firmware install and a reboot |
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| 16:45.40 | marjolein_ | installing now |
| 16:45.58 | marjolein_ | rebvoot, or just restart? |
| 16:46.31 | deeceedee | reboot |
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| 16:47.01 | marjolein_ | deeceedee and others: rebooting, bbl |
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| 16:52.30 | marjolein_ | OK, I'm back - got some weird errors flashing by on reboot but it seems to have corrected itself |
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| 16:53.44 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Weird? Do they look like ̟̺̜̙͉Z̤̲̙̙͎̥̝A͎̣͔̙͘L̥̻̗̳̻̳̳͢G͉̖̯͓̞̩̦O̹̹̺!̙͈͎̞̬? |
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| 16:54.37 | marjolein_ | no, it starts with an erro (toofast to read), then I got a mangled screen, then it auto-restarted, same error (I think) but then I got to the login screen |
| 16:56.45 | marjolein_ | it looked like maybe it had to re-detect resolution or something like that |
| 16:57.11 | marjolein_ | output from lshw is still the same |
| 16:57.39 | deeceedee | marjolein_: try `dmesg | grep -i radeon` |
| 16:58.05 | deeceedee | marjolein_: or `dmesg | grep VRAM` |
| 16:58.44 | marjolein_ | aha, that's very different now... pasting... |
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| 16:59.55 | marjolein_ | here: http://paste.debian.net/16589/ |
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| 17:00.14 | marjolein_ | '2048M used' looks promising :) |
| 17:00.19 | deeceedee | [drm] radeon: 2048M of VRAM memory ready |
| 17:00.29 | deeceedee | 2GB Video RAM |
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| 17:00.52 | deeceedee | marjolein_: Out of interest why do you care? |
| 17:01.03 | marjolein_ | deeceedee: |
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| 17:01.32 | marjolein_ | 1G or 2G makes quite a different for graphics-heavy work like photo or video editing |
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| 17:02.03 | marjolein_ | the old card had 2G, so I wanted to be sure I got at least an equivalent card back |
| 17:02.13 | deeceedee | ah ok |
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| 17:02.44 | marjolein_ | so, it looks like lshw and lspci do not correctly detect memory on a card like this - interesting |
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| 17:02.53 | deeceedee | the speed of memory access is probably more of an issue (e.g. GDDR5 > GDDR3) |
| 17:03.17 | marjolein_ | yes, that , too - it's DDR3 |
| 17:03.30 | deeceedee | marjolein_: its all a work in progress and patches are gratfully accepted ;) |
| 17:03.42 | marjolein_ | looks like they gave me at least a close equivalent |
| 17:03.48 | deeceedee | cool |
| 17:04.18 | marjolein_ | deeceedee: :) you can probably estimate how likely a patch on this is from someone who didn't know how to find this info in the first place :) |
| 17:04.32 | deeceedee | ye ;) |
| 17:04.59 | marjolein_ | the old card broke - > 2 weeks ago - and then the dealer didn't want to be a dealer any more... |
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| 17:05.39 | marjolein_ | so it took calling manufacturer, who had to find a new dealer for me... |
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| 17:05.51 | petn-randall | GDDR3 != DDR3 |
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| 17:07.17 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: booklet of the card says 1G or 2G DDR3 memory - but there are different models of 'HD 7750' - still don't know which specific model I have |
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| 17:08.30 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: but I assume a graphics card uses graphics memory - am I wrong? |
| 17:09.03 | petn-randall | marjolein_: Ah, forget the marketing bulls**t, check the PCI ID with lspci, then google that + "specs", you'll have more luck that way to find something useful. |
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| 17:10.15 | M3B0 | <marjolein_> to find out graphic card Memory you can use lspci. You can use this command line: CARD=`lspci | grep -i vga | awk '{print$1}'`; lspci -v -s $CARD | grep prefetchable | grep -v non |
| 17:10.35 | M3B0 | Will give you: "Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]" |
| 17:10.48 | M3B0 | My card has only 256M .... :( |
| 17:11.38 | marjolein_ | M3B0: no, that only tells me 256M - not 2024M |
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| 17:12.29 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: so how do I find the 'ID' in the lspci output to google (duck) for? |
| 17:12.41 | petn-randall | That could be the memory map that the OS uses to talk to the card, don't quote me on that though. |
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| 17:12.51 | petn-randall | lacks serious hardware-close skills. |
| 17:12.55 | TheWarden | In Squeeze I used to install the following packages smblcient, cifs-utils and smbfs in order for me to connect to a Windows 7 Pro share. However the smbfs is no longer available so it appears in Wheezy. |
| 17:13.01 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: ah - sounds plausible at least :) |
| 17:13.18 | TheWarden | if I try to mount the share I get "mount.cifs: bad UNC (192.168.0.192/pcdata)". |
| 17:13.26 | marjolein_ | lacks all hardware-close skills |
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| 17:13.55 | TheWarden | Yes the IP is right, sharename, username and password. I verified by accessing the share on a different Windows 7 Pro system. |
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| 17:14.19 | TheWarden | so is it because I need smbfs in order to access it? |
| 17:14.24 | M3B0 | <marjolein_> I tested it in three machines. Take out the last grep of the command line. In my case all the three tests the result was correct. |
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| 17:15.39 | TheWarden | if I try to simplify it by just using smbclient instead of mount, I get prompted for the password. I enter it and then I get Domain=[OZ.DISPLAYSYSTEMSINTL.COM] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.6.6] tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 17:15.52 | marjolein_ | M3B0: both lspci and lshw gave me 256M - grep from dmesg gave me 2028M (and it has to be eiterh 1024 or 2028) |
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| 17:16.29 | TheWarden | I don't get it and not sure what else to try or what to look at to shed light on the problem further. |
| 17:17.02 | marjolein_ | M3B0: I think petn-randall 's explanation is plausible in that it doesn't give actual memory on board but more like a communication 'window' |
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| 17:17.27 | flux242 | TheWarden: show your mount command |
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| 17:18.11 | marjolein_ | petn-randall: still looking for guidance on how to find the 'PCI ID' to google for - I see nothing plausible |
| 17:18.16 | smw_ | has anyone tried using debian on ec2? Why doesn't it have commands like less?! |
| 17:18.28 | khelair | g'morning guys. I've been here a few times lately; unfortunately this latest time my 7 year old son has set off a coffee-based tactical nuke in several of my systems. All I've got left right now is a Debian 7.1.0 system, but I can't get it working with the fglrx driver so my X is unworkable. Anybody have any experience or better places to look for information on this? |
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| 17:18.55 | M3B0 | <marjolein_>Weird that. By what you say lspci is only giving the amount of memory buffer to the Graphic card? Is it what you think? |
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| 17:19.40 | marjolein_ | M3B0: I think that's plausible because the card is specced to actually have 1G or 2G (I was trying to find out which) |
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| 17:21.18 | mtn | khelair: good starting point: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 17:22.16 | marjolein_ | oh wait - looking at model names on the MSI website, there seems to be only one HD 7750 model that actually has 2G: http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R7750-PMD2GD3.html |
| 17:22.42 | marjolein_ | and that page lists 2028MB GDDR3 1600MHz Memory |
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| 17:24.40 | M3B0 | <marjolein_> But just out of curiosity: if you issue the command CARD=`lspci | grep -i vga | awk '{print$1}'`; lspci -vvv -s $CARD it does not tell you? Note that the second lspci is with VVV, the most verbose. |
| 17:25.08 | marjolein_ | M3B0: let me try that... |
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| 17:26.15 | marjolein_ | M3B0: nope: it gives me Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] (as in the pastebin) |
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| 17:26.51 | marjolein_ | clearly, the dmesg ooutput is correct, the lspci is either incorrect or lists buffer rather than total on-board memory |
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| 17:28.50 | M3B0 | <marjolein_> I will have to go look in the documentations. Thanks for the test tough. |
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| 17:29.36 | marjolein_ | M3B0: you can imagine why I was getting confused... :) not knowing how to get at graphicsmemory info in the first place! |
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| 17:32.38 | M3B0 | <marjolein_> Really understandable! LOL. |
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| 17:33.38 | marjolein_ | anyway, thanks all for the excellent help and hand-holding! at least now I know what they gave me as replacement for my broken graphics card! |
| 17:34.53 | xSmurf | hey guys, I'm running testing and somehow my kernel isn't getting updated to 3.9 |
| 17:35.08 | xSmurf | while I do have the headers when I run update-initramfs it doesn't see a 3.9 kernel |
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| 17:45.15 | ksk | testing has kernel 3.2 xSmurf !? |
| 17:45.57 | ksk | oh, there is 3.9, too |
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| 17:46.16 | xSmurf | yeah most recent in testing is 3.9 |
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| 17:50.49 | ksk | why u run update-init-bla? no need |
| 17:51.00 | ksk | do dpkg-reconfigre $kernelpackage and everything should be fine |
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| 17:51.17 | ksk | (this should have happen already though) |
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| 17:53.42 | edju | Running Wheezy amd64 on a macbook. OSX identified the wireless as BCM43xx. Is firmware-b43-installer the correct firmware? |
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| 17:55.45 | khelair | anybody got any ideas on how to forcibly remove an installed package 'fglrx-legacy-driver' that somehow ended up on my system due to my debauchery now that I need it gone and can't install the right stuff with it still sitting there? |
| 17:55.59 | khelair | I've tried purging through aptitude, cleaning, everything I can think of |
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| 17:56.26 | ompaul | khelair: apt-get remove --purge fglrx-* |
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| 17:57.45 | marjolein_ | yay, I now also installed ATI Catalyst Control Center (had to do a restart after that) - this gives me HW and SW info (and much more) |
| 17:57.52 | khelair | thank you, sir |
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| 17:58.43 | Glxsi | edju: yes. |
| 17:58.46 | khelair | post-removal script exited with an error on fglrx-legacy-driver although a lot of the output shows that it's making things go away |
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| 18:00.13 | khelair | I grow closer and closer to reinstalling everything very carefully over the top of this highly customized system. I've done it once before and seemed not to have lost too much of the goodies I added, but honestly I'm terrified to do it again with all of the squeeze->wheezy issues I've had :( |
| 18:00.47 | khelair | fuggit I'm gonna do it |
| 18:00.59 | khelair | catch you guys on the flipside, thnx for the pointers. I'm sure I'll be back :) |
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| 18:05.15 | edju | Glxsi, Thanks. lsmod shows b43, bcms and bcm5974. Modules inserted by the firmware? |
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| 18:07.39 | Glxsi | edju: I believe the kernel automatically loads the correct modules. However, the (proprietary) firmware is required for them to work properly. |
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| 18:10.22 | xSmurf | ksk: somehow linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 didn't get installed |
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| 18:12.49 | snikker | hi, there is a way for extract the number 99 from this string: "[99% of 12334value] something other here" ? |
| 18:12.58 | snikker | using sed |
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| 18:15.30 | ImaLamer | snikker: yes - are you doing this over and over, and is the characters in the same place and the same amount each time? |
| 18:15.49 | ImaLamer | snikker: many other ways to do this besides sed also (so you have plenty of options) |
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| 18:20.05 | wakd | snikker, why limit yourself to sed, when there are likely better tools? ask in #bash |
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| 18:27.38 | Shtl | Hi @all |
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| 18:27.51 | Shtl | any one using Netgear router there? |
| 18:28.47 | AlexLikeRock | Shtl, yes me, but they are at my home |
| 18:28.53 | AlexLikeRock | it not her |
| 18:29.30 | Shtl | well accessing net through wifi, but unable to login to routerlogin.net |
| 18:29.54 | Shtl | can able to ping to 192.168.1.1 |
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| 18:30.48 | Shtl | sorry cant able to ping now |
| 18:31.17 | Shtl | but interestingly getting net through it |
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| 18:34.09 | daswort | xfce i changed the cursor theme a day ago and restarted several times since then. And now, from nowhere the cursor is the white default. But xrdb -query shows the theme i selected. And in some applications like iceweasel i see the black theme i choosed, but not on the titlebar of iceweasels window. |
| 18:34.15 | daswort | any idea how to debug this? |
| 18:34.49 | kyle__ | So, migrated to debian for my shorewall box, everything works except the gotcah of ipv4 forwarding wasn't turned on. What's the proper way of preserving that setting over reboots? |
| 18:35.15 | daswort | Looks like it is only the normal cursor, when i hower a link or resize a window the cursor has the right theme (black) |
| 18:35.15 | babilen | kyle__: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:35.18 | kyle__ | debian proper that is. I know I can just throw it in rc.local as a hack. |
| 18:35.56 | babilen | daswort: Weren't you using testing or unstable? |
| 18:35.58 | kyle__ | babilen: There's nothing connected to the firewall/shorewall scripts that does it cleanly? |
| 18:36.38 | babilen | kyle__: What's wrong with setting it in /etc/sysctl.conf ? You simply have to uncomment "#net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in there |
| 18:36.47 | daswort | oh god, this error is old http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/400217-mouse-cursor-bug-xfce.html |
| 18:37.39 | kyle__ | babilen: Since it's use connected to the firewall, I was hoping there was somewhere to have it enabled and disabled automatically when shorewall went up or down. |
| 18:37.49 | babilen | daswort: You must have changed *something* before that switch - Please provide as much information as you can. |
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| 18:38.04 | kyle__ | babilen: So nothing is wrong persey, just something I was hoping for. |
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| 18:38.42 | babilen | kyle__: Well, I've never used shorewall but "only" iptables proper. I don't see a problem with tying this into the shorewall startup sequence, but I can't tell you how to do this from the top of my head. |
| 18:39.13 | kyle__ | babilen: OK. Just wanted to know that there wasn't some proper way I was missing, becore I hacked it in myself. |
| 18:39.25 | AlexLikeRock | why can not login her by webchat ? |
| 18:39.26 | babilen | kyle__: Setting it in /etc/sysctl.conf is the right way to do it and other administrator will, most likely, expect this setting to be defined there. |
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| 18:40.48 | daswort | babilen~ i changed the icon or gtk/wm theme and installed a few applications. But since the last restart i did not changed the themes, only installed a few application (e.g. speedcrunch). And it happend just while browsing. |
| 18:40.50 | babilen | kyle__: What do you dislike about simply enabling it there? What advantages do you see in tying this into the shorewall startup? |
| 18:41.52 | ImaLamer | exit |
| 18:41.54 | babilen | daswort: So, in short: You've been playing around heavily with different GTK themes? I'd say it is related to that, so revert your actions and check the behaviour. |
| 18:41.56 | ImaLamer | nooooo |
| 18:42.27 | daswort | Or after restart. But since i work in the browser all day i saw the difference only a few seconds ago. Because over iceweasel it uses the right theme. |
| 18:42.36 | babilen | daswort: And once again: Weren't you using testing or unstable? |
| 18:42.40 | initself | i'm geting this error copying files |
| 18:42.41 | initself | mv: cannot create regular file `/invoices/10995238.pdf': No space left on device |
| 18:42.44 | kyle__ | babilen: Disadvantge is it's not connected, so will be enabled when shorewall & it's rules aren't. Although for only a few miliseconds to a second in reality. |
| 18:42.58 | initself | however: /dev/mapper/nagios-root 32G 6.2G 24G 21% / |
| 18:43.02 | initself | there's plenty of space |
| 18:43.04 | initself | any ideas? |
| 18:43.45 | kyle__ | initself: check /etc/mtab, see if there's something mounted there. |
| 18:44.10 | babilen | kyle__: I typically just tie in the loading of iptables rules into the activation of interfaces (cf. http://wiki.debian.org/iptables ) |
| 18:44.21 | initself | /dev/mapper/nagios-root / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 18:44.28 | initself | it's my root file system |
| 18:44.38 | kyle__ | babilen: Thank you! Looks like it's readin time. |
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| 18:44.47 | babilen | initself: Please provide the entire output of "df -h", "mount" and your command on http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:45.30 | kyle__ | initself: it's possible you have something mounted at that point, or you're using an active process in /invoices/ hanging aournd from before another mount masked it. |
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| 18:45.41 | bakingbread | woshty: hey.. regarding to yesterday's question.. I have upgraded script a bit to work with dmenu |
| 18:45.43 | babilen | kyle__: That is *not* about shorewall though. I mean in the end shorewall just configured an iptables ruleset that you could save/load just like any other ruleset, but that is *not* compatible with your current setup. |
| 18:45.47 | kyle__ | initself: Or, the program could be bonkers and lying...never ignore that possibility. |
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| 18:47.10 | kyle__ | babilen: Yes, but the setup for brining it up in conjunction/before an interface should be close enough for me to follow. |
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| 18:47.56 | kyle__ | initself: wait... I just thought of something. touch a file in / or /invoices errors=remount-ro means, if there was an error, your / is read only now. |
| 18:48.02 | kyle__ | initself: Strange things have happened. |
| 18:48.07 | babilen | kyle__: Yes, look into the /etc/network/if-{down,up}.d/ hook framework |
| 18:48.44 | babilen | kyle__: That would show up in the requested "mount" output, it is a possibility, but lets wait for actual output. |
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| 18:50.42 | babilen | kyle__: My argument that setting it in /etc/sysctl.conf follows the principle of least surprise still holds valid. Make sure to document this local variation visibly for other admins (or yourself) |
| 18:50.54 | babilen | (that is if you decide to not set this option there) |
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| 18:52.22 | _droid | hi, this is my first time setting up a vpn server and I want to get to know the terminologies before starting anything. Now I have checked this website (german) http://wiki.openvpn.eu/index.php/Hauptseite and I need the terms Bridging and Routing to be explained, since the vpn routing is not really explained in that link. |
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| 18:55.42 | ImaLamer | _droid: instead of having us idiots explain these terms you should read up on them at length starting with wikipedia possibly |
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| 18:55.54 | ImaLamer | _droid: we will confuse you |
| 18:55.55 | babilen | _droid: You are aware that this is #debian and not ##networking aren't you? |
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| 18:57.11 | babilen | _droid: And you should consult a proper book on these issues. I would recommend "Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook" by Nemeth as a good introduction. I am sure that ##networking can point you to more specific books |
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| 18:57.42 | initself | kyle__: it does look like something like is happening |
| 18:57.49 | _droid | babilen: yes sorry, didn't mean to cause any confusion, and thanks for pointing me to the right direction |
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| 18:58.06 | ImaLamer | babilen, _droid: I think it's best to get an understanding of the terms, then how it fits into Linux/Debian procedures |
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| 18:58.30 | ImaLamer | (ideally then when setting it up it'll click, less questions later) |
| 18:59.26 | babilen | initself: Could you please paste the requested information? Our crystal balls are powerful, but in the end it still remains pure conjecture |
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| 19:04.26 | jhutchins | initself: If you have a lot of small files on that system you could be out of inodes. |
| 19:04.29 | TheWarden | flux242: my mount command, mount -t cifs 192.168.0.192/pcdata -o username='Print Server',password=easy /mnt/punchdata/ |
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| 19:05.24 | Sling | with gnome, how do i disable the power/acpi hibernate action when i close the lid of my laptop, "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action nothing" doesnt seem to change anything |
| 19:05.36 | Sling | this is on a wheezy installation |
| 19:05.45 | flux242 | TheWarden: mount -t cifs "//192.../path" |
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| 19:06.31 | TheWarden | flux242: okay and now I get "mount error(12): Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 19:06.45 | CuteAlien | Hi! Since I updated to Wheeze I'm constantly having clipping problems, especially in all application menues (independent of application it seems, happens in gimp, firefox, XChat, Krita, etc). Meaning menues are not drawn until move around with mouse or re-open them. I'm using KDE and proprietary updated nvidia drivers. I'm wondering if anyone else is having that and maybe knows some solution or workaround for this. |
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| 19:07.25 | babilen | CuteAlien: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:07.29 | dondelelcaro | CuteAlien: try running noveau or similar and see if you still have the same problems? |
| 19:08.31 | CuteAlien | babilen, using the nvidia installer. |
| 19:08.55 | CuteAlien | dondelelcaro, could try switching back, but basically not really an alternative for me unfortuantely (3d programmer...) |
| 19:09.25 | jhutchins | CuteAlien: The point of switching back is to verify whether the drivers are the problem. |
| 19:09.29 | babilen | CuteAlien: You want to ask for support in #nvidia in this case as we neither support nor recommend using that installer. The supported/recommended way is documented on the wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) and you might want to use that. Otherwise trying nouveau as dondelelcaro suggested is an option. |
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| 19:10.19 | CuteAlien | babilen, I know you don't support it etc.. .just asking if someone knows the problem and knows some solution maybe - could still happen once in a while :-) |
| 19:10.31 | babilen | That would, at least, help us to figure out the problem. I am almost certain that your nvidia driver installation is the problem, but that setup is explicitly not supported by *us* -- It is supported in #nvidia though |
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| 19:11.06 | CuteAlien | babilen, ok, I'll try. As soon as I figure out how to switch back... any hints for that? |
| 19:11.18 | babilen | CuteAlien: fwiw, I haven't heard of these symptoms before |
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| 19:12.49 | babilen | CuteAlien: I could tell you how to uninstall our packages, but I am not entirely sure how to remove the nvidia install and clean up their symlink mess (libGL is being overwritten/linked or something) -- IIRC they provide something along the lines of "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" but I am not sure if that takes care of the mess. |
| 19:13.05 | tman | need alittle help getting sound to work in quake3 i have sound for everything else except that game, when i run the alsamixer "Pulseaudio is selected, i change it to my card but the default goes back to pulseaudio. |
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| 19:13.32 | CuteAlien | ok, thx |
| 19:13.34 | babilen | CuteAlien: We ship a package called "nvidia-installer-cleanup that you might want to take a look at. Otherwise ask #nvidia as they are more likely to know their installer |
| 19:14.08 | dondelelcaro | me neither, but that doesn't really mean much. |
| 19:14.08 | CuteAlien | nvidia-installer-cleanup sounds promising :-) |
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| 19:15.42 | babilen | CuteAlien: You could, for example, simple install the drivers "the Debian way" and verify if it works or doesn't work. You might have to revert certain changes that you have done manually (you might have blacklisted nouveau or whatnot) -- The cleanup is done automagically when you install our drivers and then removing *those* might even bring you back to the state pre-nvidia-installer, but then we don't really know what that installer does and ... |
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| 19:15.48 | babilen | ... what you have done. |
| 19:16.15 | CuteAlien | How would I simply install those? |
| 19:16.24 | CuteAlien | not sure which package... |
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| 19:16.52 | babilen | CuteAlien: The nvidia-installer-cleanup package is meant to fix some of the biggest problems with the nvidia installer and has been explicitly been designed to run before our nvidia packages are installed. I am not sure if it could serve as a general "unfuck nvidia installer" tool. |
| 19:17.08 | babilen | CuteAlien: As I said: This is documented on the wiki that I linked above |
| 19:17.14 | babilen | CuteAlien: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 19:17.26 | CuteAlien | ah ok |
| 19:17.58 | CuteAlien | ah that's for proprietary - I meant how to install nouveau drivers. |
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| 19:18.06 | babilen | CuteAlien: That *won't* (at least right now) get you the latest driver, but would at least allow us to investigate the problem in a supported setting. I take it that you want a driver >= 313 and we might be able to backport that from experimental, but I am not sure. |
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| 19:19.36 | CuteAlien | 304 might be fine (the last one that really messed up my code as far as I remember was < 300) |
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| 19:19.48 | babilen | CuteAlien: Well, for novueau you simply have to remove the nvidia driver and undo all changes by the isntaller. As this isn't our installer I can't tell you what you have to do and would recommend to ask in #nvidia. The nvidia-installer-cleanup package (and in particular the maintainer scripts) might provide some hints on what has to be done, but as I said: they are meant to be run before our nvidia driver packages are installed and not meant for ... |
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| 19:19.54 | babilen | ... removing the nvidia driver. |
| 19:20.26 | babilen | CuteAlien: Hence my recommendation to forget about the nvidia installer for now and install our packages. You are free to ask for further support with your current setup in #nvidia |
| 19:20.43 | CuteAlien | ok, will try, thanks! |
| 19:20.54 | babilen | I can't really say more about this - you decided to run some random third-party scripts and I will not support that further |
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| 19:21.16 | CuteAlien | sure, sure I know the reasons. |
| 19:21.25 | babilen | :-D |
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| 19:26.15 | Section58 | anyone used laptop fan cooling mat things, and know of the good ones? |
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| 19:28.04 | jhutchins | Section58: I did apply cpufreq because my LT was blasting really hot air on my desk, it helped a lot. |
| 19:28.25 | jhutchins | Section58: ~2008 Dell. |
| 19:28.32 | Section58 | yeah i have it turned down to 5% |
| 19:28.38 | Section58 | it always ran hot |
| 19:28.44 | Section58 | but my room is like a sauna |
| 19:28.49 | Section58 | its really not well |
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| 19:29.54 | ImaLamer | subcutaneous burns are a serious issue |
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| 19:30.04 | ImaLamer | and so is proper spelling, i'm sure |
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| 19:32.02 | jhutchins | Radiation on the reproductive organs! |
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| 19:32.25 | jhutchins | ImaLamer: Pretty sure you got that correct. |
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| 19:32.46 | nvz | Section58: I've never used one personally, but thats because I don't think they're good ideas especially the ones with fans.. they introduce a minute amount of EMI from the additional fans, and unlike the one in the machine, its not been engineered along with the machine in a way it doesn't interfere.. |
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| 19:33.28 | nvz | not only that, I personally just shut my machine off if I can't move to a cooler location or lowering the freq and such doesn't help.. and I go use something else like a tablet or such if I have to keep doing something |
| 19:33.32 | jhutchins | nvz: Nothing special about the internal fans. Electronics cooling fans are generic parts. |
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| 19:34.02 | Section58 | thats fair enough |
| 19:34.12 | nvz | jhutchins: they're smaller, and positioned away from the HDD and such.. for one thing.. a cooling mat usually has much larger fans and they're positioned randomly as far as this is concerned |
| 19:34.17 | babilen | mumbles #debian-offtopic ... beer ... chilled (heh) out athmosphere |
| 19:34.18 | Section58 | the whole left hand side is very hot, harddrive and heat out areas |
| 19:34.23 | Section58 | the room here is very hot anyway |
| 19:34.29 | Section58 | i just want to help stop it from melting |
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| 19:35.54 | nvz | I turn mine off if its too hot. Go use something else. My thinkpad isn't worth runing cause its too hot out.. I got other crap like a tablet i got at a pawn shop for $45 or a desktop I built for $250 or such.. |
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| 19:40.25 | CuteAlien | hm, going to nvidia 304 didn't help. Guess trying to get nouveau running next. |
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| 19:41.43 | frank | When starting Synaptic, KSysLog or other applications that require su privileges, KDE (4.8, debian jessie) asks for the root password, gives me the option to tick "remember password" but does not appear to save it anywhere because I have to re-enter the root password every single time. Shouldn't (i.e.) kwallet store it once and for all? |
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| 19:47.00 | poincare101 | Quick question. I'm trying to ssh into an EC2 debian server, but, the server is simply not responding on the SSH and not giving back a ping - should I tell the server owner that it is not up? Anything else I should check? |
| 19:47.45 | ImaLamer | poincare101: could a program like fail2ban be running which is now directed debian to drop packets? |
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| 19:47.59 | ImaLamer | poincare101: can you use another remote machine to ping it? |
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| 19:48.29 | poincare101 | ImaLamer: The thing is that the machine is responding to pings from another EC2 machine |
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| 19:48.53 | mumpitze1 | poincare101: telnet to port 22 |
| 19:49.11 | mumpitze1 | if that gives no response do a portscan (nmap) |
| 19:49.38 | ompaul | mumpitze1: that is not conjecture it is proof :) |
| 19:50.18 | ImaLamer | poincare101: ssh into it from that other 'machine' and list the iptables rules |
| 19:50.19 | mumpitze1 | huh? proof for what? |
| 19:50.57 | poincare101 | mumpitze1: I'll check on that... |
| 19:51.01 | ompaul | mumpitze1: pm |
| 19:51.06 | mumpitze1 | frank: storing the root password pretty much defeats the purpose |
| 19:51.12 | mumpitze1 | ompaul: k |
| 19:51.30 | woshty | bakingbread: what is that? I used osd_cat for some output. And I determined that just grepping for connected does not work. |
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| 19:52.10 | mumpitze1 | frank: maybe start it setuid root (via a small C program since scripts aren't allowed for that) |
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| 19:53.37 | ImaLamer | how is it that in i3 "open folder" defaults to opening google chrome/ |
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| 19:56.28 | babilen | ImaLamer: We do not package google chrome, but it might be that their installer set chrome as default browser. Investigate x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser in the alternatives system and preferred applications in gnome/gconf |
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| 19:57.13 | ImaLamer | babilen: gnome-www-browser opens chrome (not my choice) so i'll try setting in gconf |
| 19:57.29 | babilen | ImaLamer: fwiw, Debian packages chromium and I would recommend to consider using that in lieu of chrome as it integrates better into the rest of the system |
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| 19:58.01 | babilen | ImaLamer: No, you'll have to change that in the alternatives system. Run "update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser" |
| 19:58.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell ImaLamer about alternatives |
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| 19:58.39 | ImaLamer | babilen: i have all the majors installed, chromium, google-chrome, iceweasel, links(2), etc |
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| 19:59.48 | bakingbread | woshty: it allows display and select menu like this (at top) http://i.imgur.com/RxuCV3y.png grepping works in my configuration! you should grep for physical size in the same line where the output name is |
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| 20:01.17 | CuteAlien | Ok, driver messup guy back. I might now be on Nouveau maybe (not sure where I see that). Has anyone an idea how I can get another resolution in that? (right now I have a tiny resolution which makes even chatting hard) |
| 20:01.55 | CuteAlien | still KDE desktop |
| 20:02.21 | TunaLobster | Would a program that says it's for CentOS work fine on Debian? |
| 20:02.27 | babilen | CuteAlien: Show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "xrandr -q" on http://paste.debian.net -- Please also elaborate on your procedure to remove the nvidia installer mess. |
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| 20:03.51 | babilen | TunaLobster: It is most likely packaged as rpm and might assume a number of other CentOS idiosyncrasies. But then it might not. There is no way to predict it, but you really can't rely on it. Programs aren't typically developed for specific Linux distributions though, so if a program specifically only mentions one the likelihood that it doesn't work on others is quite high. |
| 20:03.56 | ImaLamer | TunaLobster: if you can get the source, probable |
| 20:04.23 | babilen | TunaLobster: In short: It is impossible to answer that question without more information -- Which program are you referring to? |
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| 20:05.07 | TunaLobster | The program is cx_freeze. link here http://cx-freeze.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:05.21 | CuteAlien | hm, can I paste a file directly into the copy-buffer somehow? Trying to copy with mouse with tiny-screen and long file is a little tricky. |
| 20:05.34 | CuteAlien | X11 copy buffer I mean |
| 20:06.09 | bakingbread | CuteAlien: in vim you can |
| 20:06.09 | ImaLamer | select all, then copy |
| 20:06.24 | CuteAlien | thx |
| 20:07.07 | babilen | TunaLobster: You can download the source code -- We cannot support that, but it might work. I'd recommend to take extra care and make 100% sure that you install it to /usr/local -- I would furthermore recommend to manage /usr/local with stow (cf. "/msg dpkg stow usage") |
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| 20:08.07 | babilen | TunaLobster: That being said: You really might want to discuss this script and alternatives in #python as there are (at least in my experience) much better ways to generate "executable" from Python code. (just make it a script!) |
| 20:08.42 | babilen | TunaLobster: But then this tools purpose might be to enable you to ship things without the source code ... |
| 20:09.04 | TunaLobster | babilen: Thank you. That just what I wanted to know. I have talked to #python and they weren't sure. That is the reason why I want this program to work. |
| 20:09.34 | CuteAlien | ok, I hope that's all info: http://paste.debian.net/16631/ |
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| 20:10.15 | CuteAlien | forget about the --force line - that one didn't work anyway ;-) |
| 20:10.41 | TunaLobster | babilen: If I distributed with the script.py then people would have to have python installed with extra modules. |
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| 20:13.15 | babilen | CuteAlien: You shouldn't use an /etc/X11/xorg.conf these days at all as Xorg mainly autoconfigures itself. Why do you need it? |
| 20:13.49 | babilen | CuteAlien: It is also not needed to enable the use of the nvidia driver (see the wiki page for the modern way of handling this) |
| 20:13.54 | CuteAlien | well, I've not installed wheezy on a clean system but updated from squeze, which was updated from.. ehm, waht was before? |
| 20:14.47 | babilen | CuteAlien: yeah, you might want to remove that file. At best it doesn't break anything ... If you really have to hardcode certain configuration then create small files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with the section in question (and only that) -- nvidia-xconfig is both unneeded as it is outdated |
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| 20:15.41 | CuteAlien | hm, maybe. The thing is - I only use Nouveau now for testing if I can get rid of that bug that way. But have to switch back to proprietary nvidea drivers afterwards again :-( |
| 20:16.03 | babilen | CuteAlien: And nouveau is not working -- I assume that you still have broken libGL.so symlinks on your system that interfere with the framebuffer creation. |
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| 20:16.25 | badloop | ok i'm apparently running kernel 2.6.32-042stab078.27, but the only modules directory i have is for 2.6.32-5-amd64 .... how would i build a modules directory for my current kernel, or should i just symlink a directory for it? |
| 20:16.56 | CuteAlien | ok, guess I'll try something else then. Thanks a lot for your time -and also infos about xorg.conf no longer being needed - didn't know that! |
| 20:16.58 | babilen | CuteAlien: Check line 294 of your paste -- I would still recommend to install the Debian nvidia packages as they might repair the damage done by the nvidia installer. |
| 20:17.11 | CuteAlien | I tried that already |
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| 20:17.39 | CuteAlien | I think I try next if disabling effects in KDE might fix it - found some options there. |
| 20:18.09 | babilen | no |
| 20:18.15 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 20:19.55 | Idiot | halo |
| 20:19.57 | Idiot | :D |
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| 20:20.47 | babilen | Idiot: Can we help you? |
| 20:20.49 | Idiot | 54310/tcp closed unknown |
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| 20:21.22 | Idiot | on the host machine |
| 20:21.23 | Idiot | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:54310 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 17763/java |
| 20:21.42 | Idiot | im able to ssh back and forth betweeen the 2 |
| 20:22.28 | badloop | babilen: i'll snag some help if its available.... for my question above... :-) |
| 20:22.36 | Idiot | hmm maybe this is the issue here |
| 20:22.37 | Idiot | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 2749/sshd |
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| 20:22.46 | Idiot | port 22 is tcp6 |
| 20:22.50 | RavAngell | hey guys help me. I've a trouble. I simple want to install john the ripper program in my debian wheezy. I do: sudo apt-get install john. Everything looks like ok. Installation made successful. After that I simply try to execute command: john, but it says: "bash: john: command not found". Even $man john working, but simple typing john doesnt. What I can do? |
| 20:22.56 | Idiot | other is tcp |
| 20:23.02 | babilen | badloop: That's not a Debian kernel (but most likely one from your hoster) -- contact your hoster for support. |
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| 20:24.00 | Idiot | i disabled ipv6 |
| 20:24.09 | Idiot | so im not sure why this is still tcp6 |
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| 20:24.17 | Idiot | is that what tcp6 is? |
| 20:25.05 | babilen | Idiot: Seriously: I have no idea what you are talking about. Consider pasting relevant information to http://paste.debian.net and formulating a complete question that you then ask here. Read http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html before |
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| 20:25.34 | Idiot | no im trying to open 54310 |
| 20:25.37 | Idiot | port |
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| 20:27.05 | Idiot | ? |
| 20:27.20 | Idiot | babby |
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| 20:31.13 | CuteAlien | Ok, got rid of the clipping troubles. The trick was to disable all desktop effects. Now everything is fine. |
| 20:31.26 | Idiot | lol |
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| 20:31.41 | Idiot | u fix by disabling |
| 20:31.44 | Idiot | ???????????? |
| 20:32.02 | Idiot | why live at all? |
| 20:32.02 | CuteAlien | why not if it works... I just want a working desktop, everything else does not matter for me :-) |
| 20:32.06 | Idiot | dood |
| 20:32.24 | ompaul | Idiot: if you have a question please feel free to compose it in full, and ask it, if not shhh this is not a chat channel :) it's tech support for debian |
| 20:32.36 | Idiot | so suport |
| 20:33.02 | Idiot | 54310/tcp closed unknown |
| 20:33.10 | Dagger3 | Idiot: you're the one that disabled v6 rather than fixing whatever your problem was |
| 20:33.29 | spreeuw | hey now dont be calling people idiot! |
| 20:33.30 | Idiot | ya coz iam not on ipv6 |
| 20:33.38 | Dagger3 | but that has nothing to do with this. you're listening on 127.0.0.1 for 54310, so only connections from localhost will work |
| 20:33.43 | spreeuw | you're not linus |
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| 20:33.47 | Idiot | oh |
| 20:33.51 | Idiot | omfg |
| 20:34.01 | Idiot | am i really that Idiotic |
| 20:34.27 | Idiot | thx i been so consumed w this other Idiocy |
| 20:34.35 | Dagger3 | Idiot: there's still no need to disable it, and it'll only cause you headaches in the future when you /do/ have it, and have to work out how to undisable it |
| 20:34.44 | Idiot | i brain farted |
| 20:35.33 | Idiot | how do i change so it listen on 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:35.35 | Idiot | like ssh |
| 20:35.46 | mikodo | Noober here. Please provide a link for the definitive Debian Manual. Example for learning how to etc.... So, when I get RTFM, I know what to reference. Thanks. |
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| 20:37.19 | Idiot | crickets |
| 20:37.30 | Idiot | comon linux pros |
| 20:38.04 | Dagger3 | we don't have enough info to go on |
| 20:38.21 | Dagger3 | you reconfigure the software to listen on 0.0.0.0, but we don't even know what the software is beyond that it's written in Java |
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| 20:39.57 | Idiot | ah yes |
| 20:40.06 | Idiot | thats wat i thot |
| 20:40.10 | Idiot | thx |
| 20:40.32 | Idiot | Dagger3: is amazing helping human |
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| 20:43.19 | pmo | anyone know if there is a simple way to get firefox and thunderbird on debian? (more curious that needing help) |
| 20:43.30 | pmo | than* |
| 20:44.06 | Vicissitude | mozilla.debian.net will help you with that |
| 20:44.16 | pmo | i got it from mozilla myself, would be more simple if there was a repo |
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| 20:45.00 | jhutchins | Dagger3: Long before we have universal ipv6 we will have whatever comes next. |
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| 20:45.08 | Vicissitude | that site shows you the repo(s) for them |
| 20:45.19 | pmo | yea |
| 20:45.38 | pmo | so being on testing i would need to use the experimental/unstable one? |
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| 20:45.52 | Dagger3 | jhutchins: we don't even have universal v4, so ok, that makes sense |
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| 20:46.32 | pmo | tells me: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian experimental main |
| 20:47.10 | pmo | doesnt seem right hehe |
| 20:47.13 | Vicissitude | then that's what they believe is correct |
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| 20:47.40 | pmo | Vicissitude: check content of that repo ;) |
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| 20:49.01 | Vicissitude | how? |
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| 20:50.36 | pmo | Vicissitude: had i not known what i wanted, you could have destroyed my system ;) |
| 20:51.07 | pmo | i myself just get it from mozilla, it auto updates |
| 20:51.14 | pmo | would just be nice with a repo :) |
| 20:51.19 | pmo | as a simpler way :) |
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| 20:52.21 | LazyUser69 | How would one go about "backporting" or installing a newer version of a package on debian stable (wheezy) if a backport has not been created yet? i.e I need XFCE 4.10/4.12 preferably. |
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| 20:55.45 | mikodo | I'll start with this page, though is looks daunting and my head hurts already. lol Thanks. http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 20:56.25 | mniip | "All processes ended within 2 seconds" |
| 20:56.26 | mniip | "Will now switch to single-user mode" |
| 20:56.39 | mniip | what's that supposed to mean, i just wanted to shutdown, and now i can't |
| 20:56.40 | zykotic10 | !tell LazyUser69 about ssb |
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| 20:57.29 | mniip | whenever i try to, instead oh halting, it just offers me a root pass prompt, i answer ^D and it starts on runlevel S again |
| 20:57.47 | LazyUser69 | So essentially zykotic10 the only way is for me to build the xfce package? :-( |
| 20:57.58 | mniip | wait no, doesn't look like S, looks more like 3 |
| 20:58.54 | zykotic10 | LazyUser69: (assuming it's possible, and it might not be!) yes, you build the packages. binary mixing of debian versions leads to !frankendebian which is bad. |
| 20:59.08 | pmo | hehe fun part, i dont remember how i did this: firefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/lib/firefox /usr/bin/X11/firefox |
| 20:59.11 | pmo | hehe |
| 20:59.16 | mniip | ok weird |
| 20:59.24 | mniip | only `shutdown 0` does that |
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| 20:59.38 | mniip | `halt` does succeed, but still, wtf is wrong with shutdown |
| 20:59.44 | LazyUser69 | I see. I like my free as in freedom debian stable, but XFCE I'm willing to let past because it probably doesn't pose a threat to my stability. <3 |
| 21:00.14 | jhutchins | mikodo: There are a lot of resources. It's what they call a steep learning curve - tonnes to learn just to get started, but man, when you know how to use it it's fantastically powerful. |
| 21:00.53 | mikodo | jhutchins, Thanks for the encouragement |
| 21:00.59 | jhutchins | mniip: Correct format for shutdown is shutdown -h now |
| 21:01.08 | jhutchins | mniip: What were you using? |
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| 21:02.18 | pmo | ah i remember now |
| 21:02.21 | pmo | symlinks |
| 21:02.31 | pmo | thats how i got it updating as a normal user too |
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| 21:02.55 | brontosaurusrex | anything i can do to still stay on wheezy? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jjL4BBna |
| 21:02.59 | brontosaurusrex | and run that app |
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| 21:03.51 | jordanm | ,versions libc6 |
| 21:03.52 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-7; sid: 2.17-7; experimental: 2.17-90 |
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| 21:04.21 | jordanm | brontosaurusrex, recompile it |
| 21:04.52 | brontosaurusrex | jordanm, actually this is one single app that i would like to use that is not open-sourced |
| 21:05.05 | brontosaurusrex | and the author is not cooperative |
| 21:05.07 | jordanm | targeting what OS? |
| 21:05.39 | brontosaurusrex | jordanm, what do you mean? win/osx/nix |
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| 21:06.20 | jordanm | brontosaurusrex, I mean that if it's a commercial app, doesn't support debian or RHEL... what does it claim to support via linux? |
| 21:06.32 | jordanm | brontosaurusrex, you can use a jesse chroot |
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| 21:07.01 | brontosaurusrex | jordanm, ok, any good guides on that? (on chroot) |
| 21:07.28 | brontosaurusrex | jordanm, yeah, i know it works on jesse |
| 21:07.35 | jordanm | !tell brontosaurusrex about chroot |
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| 21:08.04 | brontosaurusrex | reading...thanks |
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| 21:10.37 | brontosaurusrex | "Copy local configuration ("/etc/hosts", "/etc/hostname", "/etc/resolv.conf")" < do i need that? |
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| 21:13.18 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: only if you want networking. |
| 21:13.42 | jhutchins | Actually, resolv.conf is not needed for wheezy+ iirc (auto-generated). |
| 21:13.43 | brontosaurusrex | right |
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| 21:14.07 | brontosaurusrex | "sudo pbuilder --create --no-targz --debug --buildplace /sid-root" < how does this knows i will want sid? from the name of the dir? |
| 21:14.09 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: Have you tried running wine? |
| 21:14.27 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: Sorry, disregard. |
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| 21:14.55 | brontosaurusrex | yeah i could run the win version via wine, but it just doesnt feel right |
| 21:17.00 | brontosaurusrex | uhmm, so when i'am in chroot, is it "safe" to run as root, or should i do some users? |
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| 21:23.48 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: probably best to follow normal policies. |
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| 21:25.03 | brontosaurusrex | normal? a user john that runs root in virtual install that switches to user virtual-john normal or something else? |
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| 21:28.25 | g105b | Can someone help me make all hostnames ending in .local point to 127.0.0.1, without having to add them individually into /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:28.33 | Deeps | Hiya. With GUID partition tables, does it matter what order my partitions are in? IE, if my first partition is partition 1, and my second partition is partition 4, and my third is partition 2, is that going to break anything? |
| 21:28.49 | Deeps | g105b: that's not what .local is for though! :o |
| 21:29.06 | g105b | Deeps: What is it for? |
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| 21:29.32 | Deeps | g105b: it's used with mDNS (provided by avahi-daemon in debian) for decentralised subnet-local DNS resolution |
| 21:29.37 | g105b | Deeps: I don't need it to be .local - makes more sense to be .dev |
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| 21:30.10 | Deeps | g105b: suspect what you need is to install bind9 and create .dev as a domain in there |
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| 21:30.20 | Deeps | with a wildcard record |
| 21:30.23 | g105b | bind9 . thanks I'll read up on it |
| 21:30.44 | Deeps | well, maybe not necessarily bind9, but a dns server of sorts at least. bind9 is a personal preference simply due to experience |
| 21:30.47 | Deeps | there may be a better option |
| 21:30.54 | Deeps | or a simpler option, at least |
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| 21:33.00 | mercuryrising__ | why does debian have 3 dvds whereas ubuntu has 1? |
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| 21:34.46 | mtn | mercuryrising__: because debian is cooler |
| 21:34.50 | boycottg00gle | because debian is 3 times as ... |
| 21:34.52 | boycottg00gle | hehe |
| 21:34.54 | mercuryrising__ | :) |
| 21:35.03 | ImaLamer | mtn: Debian - You Get More [tm] |
| 21:35.13 | mtn | :) |
| 21:35.31 | mercuryrising__ | i can dig it. isn't debian a little leaner than ubuntu though? or does ubuntu just download everything once it's up and running? |
| 21:35.33 | ImaLamer | g105b: bind9 might be a security risk waiting to happen (it is) |
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| 21:35.46 | g105b | I think I'll go with dnsmasq instead |
| 21:35.50 | ImaLamer | mercuryrising__: to give you the option of installing more without a network connection |
| 21:35.51 | g105b | looks very easy to use |
| 21:35.53 | boycottg00gle | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks |
| 21:35.59 | ImaLamer | g105b: and made for your purpose |
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| 21:39.34 | brontosaurusrex | from jessie jail : Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly? clues? |
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| 21:40.06 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: echo $DISPLAY |
| 21:40.29 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, :0.0 |
| 21:40.49 | ImaLamer | brontosaurusrex provides his own clues |
| 21:41.27 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: take a look at echo $XAUTHORITY and wether the file is accesible |
| 21:41.50 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: or maybe test a simple x client (xclock f.e.) |
| 21:42.04 | brontosaurusrex | ok |
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| 21:42.32 | brontosaurusrex | echo $XAUTHORITY shows my out-of-jail user path to .Xauthority |
| 21:42.52 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: => there is your problem |
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| 21:43.26 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: at least one of your problems ;-) |
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| 21:44.01 | brontosaurusrex | ok, so i guess i should make some other users than root |
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| 21:44.59 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: hmm not really |
| 21:45.15 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: X is a server |
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| 21:46.17 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: access to it is restricted (at least by default) |
| 21:46.37 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: the file $XAUTHORITY basically is the needed secret |
| 21:46.56 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, ok |
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| 21:47.07 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: you can also use "xauth list/merge..." see man xauth |
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| 21:49.57 | short_circuit | Have a problem with resolution. |
| 21:50.01 | short_circuit | debian stable gnome 3 |
| 21:50.12 | short_circuit | everyting works fine and I ran at 1920x1080 |
| 21:50.33 | short_circuit | made the mistake of running galaga:hyperspace and it exited at 1280 resolution |
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| 21:50.45 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, thanks, but i will abort, getting way over my head now |
| 21:50.47 | short_circuit | Now my screen looks duplo and stretched off screen |
| 21:50.54 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: the next problem you may have is that X by default only listens on a unix domain socket (looks like a file, works like a normal network socket but only on the localhost) |
| 21:51.05 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: it isn't that difficult |
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| 21:51.07 | short_circuit | if I use gnome system setting to fix it my monitor goes blank and stays that way |
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| 21:51.38 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, i don't even know what i'am doing theoretically, so .. |
| 21:51.43 | short_circuit | Though gnome knows it's hooked to a sony 32" tv and it says that 1280 and 1920 are available |
| 21:52.03 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: just needs some time and you will learn some basics on that way |
| 21:52.07 | short_circuit | Also... If I open another game that calls for 1920 resolution it crashes saying a problem with X |
| 21:52.18 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, yeah. |
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| 21:52.32 | SineTheCreator | hi all... i'm having an issue i can't seem to resolve. i am running debian 7.0.1 with trinity desktop. i installed from the netinst iso. the problem is that i have a broadcom b43xx card i just cannot get working. i tried running the firmware-b43-installer and modprobe b43, which didn't work. i also tried the broadcom sta dkms driver. |
| 21:52.43 | short_circuit | cut and paste "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 21:52.43 | short_circuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.43 | short_circuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.43 | short_circuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.43 | short_circuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.43 | SineTheCreator | besides the wifi card, everything else seems to work |
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| 21:52.54 | SineTheCreator | lol |
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| 21:53.32 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: related stuff: sux and X forwarding via ssh |
| 21:53.43 | SineTheCreator | for reference, the firmware-b43 package has worked on every other debian-based distro i've ever tried |
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| 21:54.01 | SineTheCreator | i think i'm just missing a package or something here |
| 21:54.02 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, apps like no-machine are using that , right? |
| 21:54.25 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: don't know no-machine |
| 21:54.25 | short_circuit | Basically I'm nearly unusable right now |
| 21:54.38 | SineTheCreator | short_circuit: try pastebin :D |
| 21:54.43 | SineTheCreator | www.pastebin.com |
| 21:54.45 | brontosaurusrex | boycottg00gle, that nx client - server |
| 21:55.12 | Mathisen | question: Im trying to to run " Revenge of the titans " but when i run " revenge.sh " nothing happends and no error any idea how to problem solve this ? |
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| 21:55.48 | ImaLamer | short_circuit: paste.debian.net please |
| 21:56.26 | Foo_man_choo | sorry... My inet is dying and windstream is slow to fix... short_circuit here |
| 21:56.34 | Foo_man_choo | any idea on my monitor problem? |
| 21:56.44 | Foo_man_choo | well... my x configuration problem? |
| 21:56.56 | SineTheCreator | here's my dmesg | tail for reference: http://pastebin.com/ev7R7BAV |
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| 21:57.10 | SineTheCreator | it seems like the card SHOULD be working, i.e. it's not reporting an error about missing firmware or anything |
| 21:57.12 | boycottg00gle | brontosaurusrex: maybe |
| 21:57.22 | SineTheCreator | could it be something in kde that is surpressing the card/ |
| 21:57.24 | SineTheCreator | ? |
| 21:57.50 | meken | Hi all. I have a single monitor that is not being detected. Can anyone point me in the right direction in getting it detected? |
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| 21:58.20 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator: does it have a powerswitch (laptops) |
| 21:58.44 | SineTheCreator | ImaLamer: it does, yes. i've tried hitting that multiple times after modprobe -r b43 and modprobe b43 to no apparent avail |
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| 21:58.54 | SineTheCreator | it has a blue light that comes on when the wifi driver is working |
| 21:58.58 | SineTheCreator | but the light will not come on |
| 21:59.05 | ImaLamer | HP? |
| 21:59.30 | SineTheCreator | yerp. an older HP compaq presario, specifically. |
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| 22:00.26 | SineTheCreator | is there an HP specific package i'm missing that most other distros have just happened to have? |
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| 22:00.58 | SineTheCreator | hrm, i could also install openbox and wicd just to test and make sure kde isn't breaking it |
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| 22:01.03 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator: no there is a command that's on the tip of my fingers... |
| 22:01.24 | ImaLamer | wicd could be a good step (network manager has been an issue for me lately) |
| 22:01.34 | ImaLamer | that is not long term advice |
| 22:01.40 | SineTheCreator | yeah, the wlassistant and network manager don't seem to be doing much for me either |
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| 22:02.26 | ImaLamer | what is the command to powercycle/switch on wlan cards? |
| 22:03.08 | SineTheCreator | i wish i knew. i've always used the hardware switch. |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | ImaLamer: rfkill ? |
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| 22:03.50 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator, meet abrotman |
| 22:04.19 | SineTheCreator | this is the output of iwconfig -> http://pastebin.com/9bNjNZPj |
| 22:04.26 | abrotman | what'd i do now? |
| 22:04.29 | SineTheCreator | seems like it's good |
| 22:04.50 | SineTheCreator | so i install rfkill and run it then? :D |
| 22:05.34 | abrotman | you read the docs .. |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | anything with 'kill' in the name probably has docs you should read |
| 22:06.24 | SineTheCreator | it's not blocked |
| 22:06.37 | SineTheCreator | (i work fast :D ) |
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| 22:06.59 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator: i'm not sure what your issue is besides not trying to connect to an AP |
| 22:07.05 | SineTheCreator | http://pastebin.com/MYgNRDUE |
| 22:07.15 | SineTheCreator | ImaLamer: no, the card physically doesn't seem to be 'on' |
| 22:07.38 | ImaLamer | your first post looks as if it is |
| 22:07.41 | SineTheCreator | the firmware is installed, the card is working in windows and other debian-based distros, but on this install it's just not wanting to come on |
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| 22:07.50 | ImaLamer | my laptop says it's muted and it's not many, many times |
| 22:08.00 | SineTheCreator | mine doesn't do that :D |
| 22:08.11 | SineTheCreator | if the light is off, it means the card isn't work. it's just that simple for this one. |
| 22:08.17 | SineTheCreator | working* |
| 22:08.34 | SineTheCreator | i wonder if there's some other kernel module i am missing here |
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| 22:09.19 | woshty | bakingbread: Yeah, I decided to grep for "connected (" |
| 22:09.30 | jordilopezamat | Hello debwbie here... i would like to get some recommendation from the community here, if possible |
| 22:10.02 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator: iwconfig seems to disagree with that light |
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| 22:11.01 | SineTheCreator | ImaLamer: it does, yes. but then wifi connection apps like network manager and kde wlassistant comfirm it's 'disabled' |
| 22:11.04 | jordilopezamat | My laptop HDD broke time ago... and since then, my Debian is running on a USB sticker... (fine, BTW) |
| 22:11.29 | SineTheCreator | jordilopezamat: okay |
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| 22:12.11 | jordilopezamat | although, of course, i miss a greater storage capacity... Now i've bought a SSD in order to replace the broken HDD... |
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| 22:12.56 | jordilopezamat | How can i migrate my system from the USB stick to the brand new SSD ? |
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| 22:14.21 | LLckfan | Is there a way to stop Shockwave Flash from crashing in Chrome? I have this happen on two different computer(different os (XP and 7) and brands(Copax(HP) and Gateway)) |
| 22:14.27 | jorick | if i have a laptop running ubuntu (thinkpad L420), will debian have the same driver support? could i switch to debian without losing hw support? |
| 22:14.42 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 22:14.55 | daemonkeeper | Though Debian will not install non-free drivers unless you ask it. |
| 22:14.56 | ImaLamer | jorick: mostly, but not always |
| 22:15.24 | ImaLamer | LLckfan: you need to upgrade to adobe flash |
| 22:15.31 | jorick | hmm, maybe i have nonfree drivers... how do i check? i know acceleration works |
| 22:15.34 | LLckfan | Have the updated version |
| 22:15.48 | jorick | checks |
| 22:16.23 | ImaLamer | jorick: chances are would be for wireless cards & video cards... synaptic and aptitude-curses should show you by repository |
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| 22:17.15 | LLckfan | Flash is updated |
| 22:17.22 | LLckfan | Chrom is updated |
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| 22:17.38 | boycottg00gle | ask those companies why there products suck? |
| 22:17.59 | jordilopezamat | hi again, guys...¿should i be using Clonezilla or whatever like to move my system from a (currently up and runing) USB stick to a new internal SSD i've just got ? |
| 22:18.00 | jorick | everything in restricted is uninstalled |
| 22:18.05 | SineTheCreator | hrm |
| 22:18.06 | ImaLamer | maybe it's the sites that are broken |
| 22:18.40 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: basically copy the partitions over and then re-run grub, etc, etc |
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| 22:19.22 | jordilopezamat | ImaLamer, thanks ... ha,ha! is really as simple as copying the partitions ? |
| 22:19.28 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: partedmagic (live CD) might be a good way to go (has clonezilla installed) |
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| 22:19.42 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: not really, sometimes, maybe |
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| 22:19.54 | boycottg00gle | flash must die |
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| 22:20.33 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: try doing the clone, reinstall grub (to your new drive) and boot without the USB stick anywhere close to this new monster |
| 22:20.35 | jordilopezamat | indeed, flash must die |
| 22:20.56 | abrotman | flash drives? |
| 22:21.17 | ImaLamer | flash drives die on their own like other living thigns |
| 22:21.34 | jordilopezamat | ha,ha! ... i'll tryto do like you suggest ImaLamer |
| 22:22.02 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: it's an opportunity - you won't break your existing system if you put it in your pocket while you work on the new one |
| 22:23.06 | jordilopezamat | ...eeh, ImaLamer i'm not so sure that i'm understanding what you saying... |
| 22:23.40 | ImaLamer | jordilopezamat: just be careful to not destroy data on your USB stick/drive .... then you can mess around all you want with the SSD to get it working |
| 22:24.02 | jordilopezamat | ¿Are you suggesting to give a try to just keep my current (USB stick) system and install a fresh new one on the new SSD ? |
| 22:24.11 | ImaLamer | no |
| 22:24.18 | jordilopezamat | ah |
| 22:24.53 | ImaLamer | boot with partedmagic, COPY the partitions to the SSD, chroot to install grub onto the SSD, boot without the USB stick |
| 22:25.23 | jordilopezamat | right away! |
| 22:25.57 | SineTheCreator | let me try the broadcom sta driver again |
| 22:26.02 | SineTheCreator | hopefully i'll get some joy this time |
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| 22:26.13 | ImaLamer | SineTheCreator: try WICD and it's related packages |
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| 22:26.29 | ImaLamer | just maybe |
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| 22:27.36 | jhutchins | I really don't think there's anything wrong with (at least the linux version of) Unetbootin. Just made another successful boot USB (Clonezilla). |
| 22:28.06 | SineTheCreator | ImaLamer: i did |
| 22:28.14 | abrotman | yes, there is |
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| 22:28.16 | SineTheCreator | it says no networks available because the card isn't working :D |
| 22:28.18 | abrotman | jhutchins: it constantly breaks |
| 22:28.23 | wathek | Hi everybody |
| 22:28.32 | SineTheCreator | kde's network devices window also does not show any wlan0 or eth1 |
| 22:28.37 | SineTheCreator | nor does ifconfig |
| 22:28.48 | SineTheCreator | i'm gonna reboot again, brb |
| 22:29.03 | abrotman | unetbootin is an utter pile of crap |
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| 22:29.22 | wathek | I need some help please to mount a raid partition here's the partition table: http://pastebin.com/458fjvW4 |
| 22:29.34 | wathek | all I can do running mount /dev/sdc1 /media/disk -t ext3 |
| 22:29.42 | wathek | I cannot mount the other partitions |
| 22:29.46 | wathek | any help please ? |
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| 23:06.53 | ImaLamer | VsioZashibis: lsmod | grep iptables |
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| 23:07.28 | ImaLamer | VsioZashibis: or better (as root): iptables -L |
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| 23:09.05 | SineTheCreator | man i just cannot wrap my head around this |
| 23:09.18 | SineTheCreator | i have tried everything i can think of here. nothing is working. |
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| 23:12.50 | petn-randall | wathek: What are the error messages you get? What kind of RAID was that? What's the output of 'mdadm --examine /dev/<yourotherpartitions>'? |
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| 23:13.08 | SineTheCreator | hahaha |
| 23:13.10 | SineTheCreator | it works! |
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| 23:13.22 | SineTheCreator | 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up' did the trick. the light came on. |
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| 23:25.47 | kanliot | i want to mount a removable eternal hard drive on my desktop wheezy before i log in. best way? |
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| 23:27.37 | Xmode | I want to disable ipv6 on a Debian server. I saw a procedure saying use this command, "vi /etc/modprobe.d/aliases", to replace this line, "alias net-pf-10 ipv6", with these two lines: alias net-pf-10 off (and) alias ipv6 off. |
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| 23:28.42 | Xmode | The problem I have, however, is that file is not there, instead it is here: /lib/modprobe.d/aliases.conf. |
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| 23:29.25 | Xmode | I wonder whether there would be any problem just using it anyway in the same procedure? |
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| 23:30.35 | Xmode | any thoughts one way or another about doing so? |
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| 23:32.35 | Dagger3 | generally you should just leave v6 enabled; if you have some problem relating to it then the right thing to do is to fix the problem, not disable v6 |
| 23:33.00 | Dagger3 | also I'm not sure adjusting modprobe's config will have any impact now that Debian ships kernels with v6 compiled in, rather than as a module |
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| 23:46.55 | bobboson | hi |
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| 23:47.54 | bobboson | slaps bobboson around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:48.23 | bobboson | how do you turn on a computer? |
| 23:48.45 | bobboson | why are the keys in weird order? not abcdefg |
| 23:48.52 | bobboson | qwertyuiopsdfghjklzxcvbnm |
| 23:49.05 | bobboson | waT? |
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| 23:57.45 | james41382 | After compiling a source package can I simply delete the tarball and unpacked directory? Do I need to save the directory? |
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| 23:58.32 | RustyShackleford | so debian doesn't configure sudo by default |
| 23:58.38 | RustyShackleford | should I bother? |
| 23:58.55 | james41382 | If you don't give root a password it sets up sudo |
| 23:59.15 | james41382 | At least on Wheezy that's how it was. |
| 23:59.22 | RustyShackleford | one benefit I see is that my vim config files will be read. I won't need to setup two config files |
| 23:59.38 | RustyShackleford | oh really? I didn't realize that |
| 23:59.57 | james41382 | Yeah it says it during the installation |
