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| 00:08.13 | aXXo | hi |
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| 00:31.42 | somiaj | james41382: Depending on the source you may want to keep it around so you can run 'make uninstall' |
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| 00:31.52 | somiaj | james41382: note there are other ways to configure the install/removal of source packages |
| 00:32.14 | somiaj | RustyShackleford: the sudo package (if it is installed) creates a group called sudo. Users in that group should have full sudo privlages by default |
| 00:32.21 | somiaj | it may not add your user to that group though |
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| 00:53.32 | waltman | When I run 'aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade', apt-listbugs lists 2 buggy packages. The BTS says that a fix is pending. Normally I'd run 'aptitude forbid-version', but I can't because these are new versions of a library that some other package is requiring. Meanwhile there are 114 other packages waiting to update. Is there any way I can hold just those 2 packages? |
| 00:55.40 | waltman | I'm running testing, and the two packages are libatspi2.0-0 and libatk-bridge2.0-0 |
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| 01:13.54 | somiaj | waltman: echo "packagename hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
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| 01:14.15 | somiaj | waltman: that will put the package on hold, you will need to echo "packagename install" | sudo dpkg --set-selections to unhold it |
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| 01:25.21 | short_circuit | I tried to ask this earlier but my inet connection was failing miserably. Not much better now but we'll see. I put all my info so far in this http://pastebin.com/MwgmrJEZ Please help :~/ |
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| 01:31.37 | djrodrick | hey there.. i've been trying to change xterm colors in debian but i just can't get it to work |
| 01:31.49 | djrodrick | i tried modifying ~/.Xresources |
| 01:32.06 | djrodrick | $ cat .Xresources |
| 01:32.06 | djrodrick | XTerm*Foreground: black |
| 01:32.07 | djrodrick | XTerm*Background: white |
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| 01:38.48 | mercuryrising__ | just switched from ubuntu to debian, i'm liking the start of this... I can't run commands as sudo with my main user :) |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | are you in the sudo group ? |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | or otherwise configured sudo? |
| 01:39.51 | mercuryrising__ | haven't configured sudo yet, just added myself to the sudo group |
| 01:40.11 | somiaj | you probabaly need to logout and then back in for that to take effect |
| 01:40.16 | somiaj | then you should have sudo privlages |
| 01:40.25 | somiaj | mercuryrising__: ^^ |
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| 01:41.17 | mercuryrising__ | yup :) thanks! |
| 01:42.32 | daveee123 | installed wine on the latest stable debian. with "apt-get" now, any wine command i run opens the multiarch instructions? why must i install the 32 bit wine? or is something else wrong? |
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| 01:42.55 | somiaj | wine is basically 32bit |
| 01:43.11 | daveee123 | somiaj: but apparently i installed a 64 bit version |
| 01:43.13 | somiaj | the 64 bit package is just a simple package with instructions on how to install multiarch to get the 32bit version |
| 01:43.35 | daveee123 | somiaj: ? so why does a 64 bit version exist? and does that mess with the rest of my computer? |
| 01:43.37 | somiaj | you can compile a 64 bit version of wine but it only runs 64bit windows binaries and those are rare |
| 01:43.57 | somiaj | no in debian the 64bit package is just there to give you instructions on how to install multiarch and the 32bigt packkag |
| 01:44.01 | daveee123 | somiaj: i'm just looking to run rosetta stone or netflix. either one is a win |
| 01:44.25 | somiaj | netflix I dion't think will work, there are some packages for ubuntu on a ppa but I dont thienk the debian wine version runs netflix |
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| 01:45.52 | waltman | somiaj: I think that has the same problem as forbid-version, namely that you can't run it for a package that's not already installed. |
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| 01:46.18 | waltman | dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 1: libatspi2.0-0 |
| 01:46.18 | dpkg | waltman: I give up, what is it? |
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| 01:46.29 | daveee123 | somiaj: alright. thanks. that is good to know |
| 01:47.00 | daveee123 | anyone know if a live usb of mountain lion will run in virtual box on linux? |
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| 02:00.01 | tabeaux | daveee123: You have to setup a special VMDK to boot directly from usb but it should work in theory |
| 02:00.21 | daveee123 | tabeaux: thanks |
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| 02:06.30 | mercuryrising__ | do most people stay with gnome 3.4 for wheezy? |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | i have, depends on your usage patterns |
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| 02:16.24 | mercuryrising__ | is there a nice list of what debian is using for things (eg. window management, terminal, whatever)? I found one, but it's only 'obsolete packages', which doesn't help if it doesn't say what the successor is |
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| 02:19.17 | abrotman | things? |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | mercuryrising__: that largely depends on your installed packages |
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| 02:29.28 | iio7 | It should be possible to plug in-out a SATA disk on a running computer right? |
| 02:29.52 | iio7 | Running Debian that is. |
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| 02:32.02 | abrotman | iio7: that probably dpends on your controller |
| 02:32.34 | iio7 | Is there a way to validate without actually trying? |
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| 02:37.16 | abrotman | iino |
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| 02:41.19 | Mr_Queue | lspci -vvv | grep -i raid |
| 02:41.48 | Mr_Queue | Then go read all about it. I'm guessing if you don't know, you probably can't. |
| 02:42.56 | nvz | soo.. lets say I didn't do a mysql dump in windows and just copied the files to linux. Why won't that work? seems everything is lowercase, I see no reason it shouldn't work |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | seems like more of a #mysql ? |
| 02:43.44 | Mr_Queue | One is case sensitive and what ^^ said. |
| 02:45.34 | nvz | tru dat. word up /me goes to mysql channel.. heh |
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| 02:50.00 | RustyShackleford | so I'm struggling to setup transmission-daemon to run as my user account |
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| 02:52.15 | Mr_Queue | Not sure about that one.. Do they have something in the init script or in /etc/default to declare it? |
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| 03:05.37 | daveee123 | also, in system settings, when i select mouse and touchpad, there is only an option for mouse, and there are very limited options |
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| 03:32.36 | mercuryrising__ | so i have an intel 5300 network card - i installed firmware-iwlwifi, did the sudo modprobe -r ; sudo modprobe, I can 'connect' to my wireless network (it says it's connected at least), i have an ip address, but i can't ping out or in from the machine |
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| 03:32.54 | mercuryrising__ | (can't get to the internet or my local network), but it has an ip... |
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| 03:33.09 | mercuryrising__ | wired works great (i can do everything with that) |
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| 03:39.20 | somiaj | mercuryrising__: are you using dhcp or static ip? |
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| 03:40.25 | mercuryrising__ | dhcp |
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| 03:43.11 | mercuryrising__ | okay this is kind of interesting |
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| 03:44.24 | mercuryrising__ | so playing around with the ethernet jack, when i have it plugged in and the wireless on (not sure which one gets precedence), it will ping debian.org, unplugging it will say 'network unavilable', and connect to the wireless, then start pining 128.31.0.51, then plugging the ethernet back in pings debian |
| 03:45.29 | mercuryrising__ | yeah, so i can't "ping debian.org" with wifi, but I can "ping 128.31.0.51" |
| 03:45.43 | mercuryrising__ | on ethernet i can 'ping debian.org' |
| 03:45.54 | somiaj | mercuryrising__: yea try to only have the wirless up with the eth0 down |
| 03:46.33 | mercuryrising__ | does debian have something different instead of ifconfig? |
| 03:47.23 | somiaj | debian has frontend scripts ifup and ifdown that work with ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:47.33 | somiaj | you can also use ip or a network manager. Pick one to use |
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| 03:48.11 | gnuvince | All sites I visit detect that I am in the UK (I'm from Canada); which file controls my physical location on Debian? |
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| 03:48.44 | vec | gnuvince: there is no file to controle that |
| 03:48.53 | somiaj | I don't think that is set by you, but they use a geoip on your ipaddress |
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| 03:49.49 | vec | they can also check a variety of things through javascript, i.e. your timezone and language settings |
| 03:49.50 | mercuryrising__ | awesome, that worked great somiaj |
| 03:50.21 | mercuryrising__ | why would turning off a disconnected eth0 make it work? was it still trying to pass all the traffic through there? |
| 03:50.24 | vec | mercuryrising__: what exactly, not using ethernet? |
| 03:50.29 | vec | ah |
| 03:50.30 | gnuvince | vec, somiaj: thanks |
| 03:50.41 | mercuryrising__ | yeah, 'sudo ifdown eth0' allowed me to 'ping debian.org' |
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| 03:50.51 | mercuryrising__ | and browse the web |
| 03:51.10 | somiaj | mercuryrising__: it is a routing issue as you need to know whant your default route to the outside is. So you were just having a conflict |
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| 03:51.59 | vec | maybe ip is a better program? i heard bad things about if |
| 03:52.00 | mullein | 5 |
| 03:52.06 | mullein | oops |
| 03:52.09 | vec | ifconfig, even |
| 03:53.10 | somiaj | vec: ip is just more modern. ifconfig has just been aroudn so long it is almost always there, but ip has more features. |
| 03:54.05 | somiaj | really nothing I know of bad about ifconfig, and you should expect to find it on most installs. |
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| 03:54.48 | vec | modern implies advanced :) |
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| 03:56.11 | vec | anyway, gnome-terminal doesnt offer a way to disable a short-key in the gui, thats really anoying, because it steal alt+number, which irssi uses, too -_- |
| 03:56.46 | vec | oh, it does, backspae :) |
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| 04:49.15 | Warsumg | Quick question. I'm setting up a webserver using apache2 on debian (squeezy). The website at this point is not live and it's in production/development. Should I bother updating to wheezy? Any major reason why/why not to? Thanks |
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| 05:03.48 | somiaj | Warsumg: squeeze will only be supported for a year. I would suggest upgrading your test envoiorment ot wheezy to make sure the site is compadable with the versions of software on wheezy because you will have to upgrade within the year |
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| 05:04.37 | LLckfan | Is there a way to stop Shockwave Flash from crashing in Chrome? I have this happen on two different computer(different os (XP and 7) and brands(Copax(HP) and Gateway)) |
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| 05:05.34 | somiaj | LLckfan: not really, have you made sure it is the newest version |
| 05:05.38 | somiaj | flash is just buggy on some systems. |
| 05:05.47 | somiaj | you can try gnash or some opensoruce flash player |
| 05:05.52 | LLckfan | It is new |
| 05:06.10 | LLckfan | Everything is updated |
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| 05:09.31 | Warsumg | somiaj, thank you very much for your help :) |
| 05:10.04 | somiaj | Warsumg: only reason I can see ti stay with squeeze is if for somereason you need the versions in squeeze for the website. And in that case you may want to consider upgrading the site. (: |
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| 05:12.51 | LLckfan | And opensource will not work |
| 05:14.01 | Warsumg | somiaj: The site itself should not require squeeze for anything, as it's running pretty generic/non-fancy php/ajax scripts |
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| 05:14.09 | LLckfan | Hello |
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| 05:23.49 | Warsumg | Hello LLckfan :). Sorry, didn't mean to ignore your greeting |
| 05:26.50 | Warsumg | I gtg now though. See you all later |
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| 05:29.36 | LLckfan | Is there a way to stop Shockwave Flash from crashing in Chrome? I have this happen on two different computer(different os (XP and 7) and brands(Copax(HP) and Gateway)) |
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| 05:31.59 | phy1729 | LLckfan: if it happens on different OSes it's not a debian problem ;) |
| 05:32.20 | LLckfan | Is there a way to stop Shockwave Flash from crashing in Chrome? I have this happen on two different computer(different os (XP and 7) and brands(Copax(HP) and Gateway)) |
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| 05:33.13 | cast | LLckfan: maybe ask adobe or google |
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| 05:34.27 | LLckfan | No help |
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| 05:34.53 | cast | may i suggest not using adobe flash |
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| 05:35.30 | cast | debian is a free OS, adobe flash has little place in it ;) |
| 05:36.11 | LLckfan | I AM NOT USING IT |
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| 05:36.45 | phy1729 | so why are you asking here? |
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| 05:44.48 | james41382 | exit |
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| 05:50.48 | Orii-pi | hello i have been googling around a bit and so far i cant get it to work. im trying to mount usb devices with write/read permissions as a normal user |
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| 05:51.24 | fardice | http://pix.isalo.org/upload/original/1311793124.png How can I get my debian liek this |
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| 05:53.11 | Orii-pi | fardice: use conky |
| 05:53.34 | Orii-pi | that looks like it using multiple conkys so google how to do that |
| 05:53.38 | fardice | Orii-pi: Any configs similar to that? |
| 05:54.04 | Orii-pi | huh? what do you mean? |
| 05:54.33 | fardice | Orii-pi: Like the green text |
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| 05:54.42 | fardice | and font etc |
| 05:54.50 | Orii-pi | well you can make your conky green XD |
| 05:54.55 | Orii-pi | google it mang XD |
| 05:55.01 | Orii-pi | same with the font |
| 05:55.12 | fardice | Orii-pi: Is that using a windows manager? |
| 05:55.31 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 05:55.49 | Orii-pi | if you are using xorg im pretty sure 99% of the time you are using a window manager |
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| 05:56.16 | Orii-pi | maybe 100% but knowing linux i cant be certain |
| 05:56.18 | fardice | Orii-pi: How do you know that xorg |
| 05:57.04 | Orii-pi | gnome kde openbox fluxbox stumpwm spectrwm ect ect uses xorg |
| 05:57.09 | Orii-pi | xorg is X11 |
| 05:57.15 | Orii-pi | the graphical interface |
| 05:57.28 | fardice | but gnome is not a window manager is it? |
| 05:57.45 | Orii-pi | gnome is desktop manager that uses a window manager as well |
| 05:57.49 | Orii-pi | i think it uses mutter |
| 05:58.16 | Orii-pi | i think kde uses kwm |
| 05:58.24 | Orii-pi | xfce uses xfwm |
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| 05:58.42 | fardice | Orii-pi: What window manager does it look like in that pic? |
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| 05:59.33 | Orii-pi | impossible to tell honestly from that pic possibly dwm or spectrwm |
| 05:59.41 | Orii-pi | maybe openbox |
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| 06:00.23 | Orii-pi | just forget the window managers for a sec |
| 06:00.26 | Orii-pi | XD |
| 06:00.32 | Orii-pi | they dont play a role |
| 06:00.40 | Orii-pi | conky is what you want to be searching |
| 06:00.43 | fardice | Orii-pi: Which of those mentioned are easiest to configure/setup? |
| 06:00.54 | cast | Orii-pi: not 100% of the time, but in practice pretty close to it |
| 06:00.56 | Orii-pi | you can use conky with any desktop manager or window manager |
| 06:01.13 | Orii-pi | cast: that is exactly why i said 99% XD |
| 06:01.33 | cast | Orii-pi: see usbmount pkg |
| 06:01.43 | Orii-pi | fardice: spectrwm is easiest to configue like super easy but its a tilining wm |
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| 06:02.43 | Vasistha | how can I tell if apt is configured to automatically clean out the package cache? I would prefer to keep a cache of all my installed packages |
| 06:02.50 | Orii-pi | cast: i already have it |
| 06:03.06 | Vasistha | (since it takes like 5 hours to download trinity desktop) |
| 06:03.21 | fardice | Orii-pi: Is debian as easy as ubuntu with installing? |
| 06:03.33 | Orii-pi | more or less |
| 06:03.45 | cast | if you can click next and use a keyboard and read you can install debian |
| 06:03.52 | Orii-pi | fardice: listen google. better yet startpage.com |
| 06:04.03 | Orii-pi | you are new to linux? |
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| 06:04.11 | Orii-pi | or at least noobish? |
| 06:04.19 | Orii-pi | its cool if you are no shame in that XD |
| 06:04.21 | fardice | Orii-pi: Only used ubuntu |
| 06:04.27 | Orii-pi | i see |
| 06:04.32 | Orii-pi | i started with ubuntu myself |
| 06:04.37 | Orii-pi | learn to search |
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| 06:04.44 | mumpitzel | Vasistha: you have to change something for this to happeb. by default it doesn't delete package files |
| 06:04.47 | Orii-pi | a little diy will solve many problems |
| 06:04.51 | phy1729 | the installers are practically the same iirc |
| 06:05.17 | mumpitzel | fardice: debian asks you more questions on install |
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| 06:05.32 | fardice | Which is better, a complete or small installation image? |
| 06:05.42 | Orii-pi | depends what you need |
| 06:05.52 | Orii-pi | most likely for you i guess be complete |
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| 06:06.01 | mumpitzel | fardice: and debian is more strict in what to install, e.g. unlike ubunut it won't install non-free firmware which can make things like getting wlan to work harder for you |
| 06:06.04 | Vasistha | mumpitzel: thanks! |
| 06:06.07 | fardice | Orii-pi: I want to use a WM, instead of a DM |
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| 06:06.18 | Orii-pi | fardice: nice man! wm are wicked |
| 06:06.26 | mumpitzel | fardice: how do you connect to the internet? via WLAN? |
| 06:06.35 | Orii-pi | fardice: unless you add non-free to your apt sources list |
| 06:06.37 | fardice | mumpitzel: Wireless |
| 06:06.41 | cast | and if so whats your network card |
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| 06:06.51 | Vasistha | fardice: it may very well prompt you though - during the installation, it asked me if I wanted to install nonfree wireless drivers |
| 06:06.57 | fardice | I have no idea, its a cheap dell laptop |
| 06:07.01 | mumpitzel | !tell fardice about firmware images |
| 06:07.04 | mumpitzel | fardice: then use those |
| 06:07.05 | cast | fardice: are you in ubuntu? |
| 06:07.19 | fardice | cast: Not currently |
| 06:07.30 | mumpitzel | Vasistha: not the normal installer |
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| 06:07.35 | Orii-pi | fardice: do you have access to the router? |
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| 06:07.59 | fardice | Orii-pi: yea |
| 06:08.01 | Vasistha | mumpitzel: uh. I used debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso ... is that not "normal"? |
| 06:08.01 | Orii-pi | can you use a ethernet cable like for a desktop with that laptop? if so dont even worry about wlan yet |
| 06:08.15 | Orii-pi | do that |
| 06:08.18 | Orii-pi | connect to the router |
| 06:08.22 | cast | fardice: if its windows you can work it out via the device manager tree thing, on linux it's a bit easier with 'lspci' |
| 06:08.24 | Orii-pi | then we can figure out wlan XD |
| 06:08.28 | mumpitzel | Vasistha: no debian will ask you for non-free anything |
| 06:08.56 | Vasistha | mumpitzel: well .. uh .. it did, dude. |
| 06:09.10 | fardice | So it is easier than installing arch linux? |
| 06:09.12 | Orii-pi | hey fardice not sure if you are interested but if you want a wm and conky take a look at crunchbang linux |
| 06:09.21 | Orii-pi | fardice: oh yeah much easier XD |
| 06:09.25 | Orii-pi | arch is pretty cool though |
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| 06:09.35 | Orii-pi | but that is for another time |
| 06:10.15 | fardice | So crunchbang is debian based? |
| 06:10.20 | fardice | What is different about it? |
| 06:10.21 | Orii-pi | yes |
| 06:10.29 | Orii-pi | well it uses openbox window manager |
| 06:10.41 | Orii-pi | it has conky presetup |
| 06:10.46 | Orii-pi | has some wicked packages too |
| 06:11.08 | Orii-pi | it sounds more like of what you want |
| 06:11.11 | Orii-pi | and install is simply |
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| 06:11.15 | Orii-pi | simple* |
| 06:11.30 | Orii-pi | and they give you some nice startup scripts when you first boot |
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| 06:12.07 | Orii-pi | though you will need a usb or a dvd to install as sadly (to my annoyance) it is larger than 700 mb |
| 06:12.50 | Orii-pi | idk about you guys but i think linux should stay small enough to fit on a cd. dont over bloat your distro let the user choose what packages he wants |
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| 06:13.20 | Orii-pi | bodhi linux uses this and they get mad props for it |
| 06:13.26 | Orii-pi | and of course a bunch of other distros |
| 06:13.30 | Orii-pi | like gentoo arch and slackware |
| 06:13.55 | Orii-pi | mmh slackware the steak and mashed potatos of linux |
| 06:13.57 | mumpitzel | Orii-pi: mind the channelname please. and don't misuse your enter key |
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| 06:15.06 | Orii-pi | mumpitzel: sorry about that its a old habit i got because i used to have a very small screen and it was second nature to press enter idk. ill work on that and come on debian scared of the competition? ;) i mean crunchbang is at least debian based |
| 06:15.08 | cast | linux fits on a CD, i notice my linux is <110MB |
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| 06:15.46 | Orii-pi | cast: debian does and many other distros do. some distros are starting to head away from that though :/ |
| 06:17.03 | Orii-pi | anyways...cast i do have usbmount installed and yes i can mount the usbs as a normal user but i dont have write permission |
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| 06:19.30 | cast | Orii-pi: what filesystem? |
| 06:19.58 | Orii-pi | what do you mean? ext4 ext3 ect? or file manager? |
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| 06:20.42 | cast | the usb drive you don't have write to, what filesystem is it |
| 06:20.52 | Orii-pi | fat32 |
| 06:21.04 | cast | setup usbmount to pass uid=you |
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| 06:21.23 | Orii-pi | you being my user name i assume? |
| 06:21.31 | cast | no, your UID |
| 06:21.39 | cast | [see `id` command] |
| 06:21.42 | Orii-pi | ah ah |
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| 06:22.06 | cast | see on the mount manpage under fat the dmask, gid, etc...options |
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| 06:22.12 | Orii-pi | where is the config file for that if i may ask? |
| 06:22.33 | cast | dpkg -L usbmount # and guess :) |
| 06:22.33 | dpkg | ii usbmount # and guess :) 3.9-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:23.26 | mumpitzel | config files are in /etc generally. that's what it's for |
| 06:23.52 | Orii-pi | thanks mumps |
| 06:23.58 | cast | wonders how to list only the files marked as config files in a package |
| 06:24.31 | Orii-pi | options options ectect and *.conf? |
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| 06:25.35 | cast | dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' usbmount # seems to do it |
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| 06:26.20 | dape | hello, can i download debian squeeze from somewhere please? cannot find it on the mirror sites.. |
| 06:26.27 | Kuroshita | hey all, just a quick question, is Debian Testing considered "stable enough" for everyday users? I'm wanting to migrate from Ubuntu (13.04) and I heard the repos are much the same |
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| 06:27.36 | Kuroshita | here you go dape http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:27.48 | mumpitzel | dape: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 06:27.57 | Orii-pi | Kuroshita: testing is stable enough for normal users but something may go awry just be prepared to google. keyword MAY. as long as it isnt mission critical stuff like a server that needs to always be running its fine |
| 06:27.57 | Kuroshita | of course they have amd64 on there too |
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| 06:28.03 | mumpitzel | Kuroshita: not if you have to ask |
| 06:28.05 | dape | awesome, thanks! |
| 06:28.48 | cast | Kuroshita: whats wrong with debian stable? for most of the world windows 95 was stable enough for desktop use, |
| 06:28.54 | Kuroshita | Orii-pi, thank you for that. I'm not running a server it's mainly for gaming and web browsing and word docs, light coding for uni |
| 06:29.09 | mumpitzel | gaming? |
| 06:29.22 | Orii-pi | Kuroshita: as long as you know how to google the problems you are set |
| 06:29.24 | mumpitzel | ok, nethack is all people ever need or want, but still |
| 06:29.33 | Orii-pi | just keep a cool head when things to do wrong |
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| 06:29.52 | phy1729 | Kuroshita: some suggest using sid over testing because of how code freezes work |
| 06:29.53 | Kuroshita | Orii-pi, oh for sure, I'm no total noob or anything I just want to avoid an Arch-like system |
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| 06:30.04 | Orii-pi | im running jessie and i have a bunch of retro gaming emulators. nes snes and gba for now ^__^ |
| 06:30.11 | cast | phy1729: they probably shouldn't suggest it to Kuroshita, though |
| 06:30.22 | Orii-pi | haha then jessie is good man |
| 06:30.44 | Kuroshita | Orii-pi, sweet :D thanks for the advice! Back into the ether I go! |
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| 06:31.01 | Orii-pi | that was my good deed of the day |
| 06:31.05 | cast | bah |
| 06:31.15 | Orii-pi | feel like a super hero |
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| 06:32.16 | Orii-pi | hey annoying thing. iceweasel was autoinstalled with adblocker plus. ugh XD |
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| 07:37.44 | __jacks | hi, i have debian squeeze, i need an easy way to configure a chroot to limit users who ssh into the server to a limited set of commands, anyone got a good guide for this? |
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| 07:41.04 | Sling | __jacks: you can choose which binaries and libraries to make available in the chroot, right? |
| 07:41.27 | __jacks | i would like only rsync and perhaps basic bash commands |
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| 07:43.39 | tralala | __jacks, you might want to investigate selinux |
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| 07:44.23 | tralala | it's not an easy way, but I don't know anything easier for your case |
| 07:44.25 | __jacks | i have some basic permissions to prevent people poking around the file system but i wanted to further limit users to only a small set of commands, eg. rsync and ls |
| 07:45.12 | __jacks | oh right, so it isn't as simple as modifying a few configuration files |
| 07:45.45 | tralala | no, it's not |
| 07:45.50 | __jacks | i tried to mess around with selinux before it seems really complicated |
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| 07:46.45 | tralala | It is complicated, but it allows very fine security tuning. I guess the two go together. |
| 07:47.22 | __jacks | ok i see. thanks |
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| 08:18.00 | saban | why is my load average over 1? 10:15:52 up 2:53, 1 user, load average: 1.38, 1.43, 1.39 http://pastebin.com/BDtPqqHb |
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| 08:21.30 | saban | nvm my raid 5 is resync |
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| 08:23.02 | saban | ok another question why is my raid 5 resyncing? what to check to see why? |
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| 08:32.16 | fortin | saban if it's a software raid maybe /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern |
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| 08:34.29 | saban | got it fixed. server crashed 3 hours ago didnt checked uptime... stupdi me :D and high load is raid5 resync |
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| 08:45.42 | burek | hi all, i was doing "apt-get update" and received this error: http://pastebin.com/SPQariYk |
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| 08:46.04 | burek | when i go to that url using the browser, i can download deb package without problems |
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| 08:46.14 | burek | how can i debug/resolve my issue? |
| 08:46.28 | Arafangion | burek: I missed your question, what was it? |
| 08:47.00 | burek | [10:45:36] <burek> hi all, i was doing "apt-get update" and received this error: http://pastebin.com/SPQariYk |
| 08:50.33 | burek | what confuses me is why apt is not able to cope with that repo when I have no trouble accessing it using the browser |
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| 08:50.43 | burek | does it work on different ports or something |
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| 08:53.28 | phix | burek: let me see |
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| 08:54.53 | phix | hmmm no idwa |
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| 08:56.12 | burek | thanks for checking it anyway :) |
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| 08:57.04 | Arafangion | burek: I would suspect any proxy settings you have. |
| 08:57.22 | Arafangion | burek: Also, the file that describes the repository - all the package summaries, could also be suspect. |
| 08:57.40 | Arafangion | burek: I guess you've identified that the individual packages themselves and your browser's proxy settings are fine. |
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| 08:58.31 | Arafangion | burek: Your sources listing itself could also be suspect. |
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| 08:58.48 | burek | i don't use proxy, that's for sure |
| 08:59.26 | burek | in sources.list i have only this added: deb http://sdkrepo.atlassian.com/debian/ stable contrib |
| 08:59.37 | burek | brb |
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| 09:00.12 | Sevet_ | burek: http://sdkrepo.atlassian.com/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages redirects you to https:// |
| 09:00.17 | jha_ | i am trying to turn off port 25. i put a comment sign in from of the "-A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT" line in /etc/default/iptables and ran "/etc/init.d/iptables restart". when i nmap my server the port is still open though... how do i fix this? |
| 09:00.28 | Sevet_ | install apt-transport-https and then update your sources to use https:// |
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| 09:00.57 | Arafangion | In addition, I don't see 'stable' there, in my system. |
| 09:01.01 | Arafangion | Only contrib. |
| 09:01.21 | Arafangion | Hmm, that's just the listing, there certainly is stable. |
| 09:01.28 | sexlove69 | !!New sex tape hollywood (you must click ok Button before) >> http://apps.facebook.com/316328471834749/?referral_id=100000513678994 |
| 09:01.43 | Sevet_ | Arafangion: sorry realised it was you asking - see my messages above |
| 09:02.02 | Arafangion | Sevet_: I was attempting to provide suggestions to burek: He's the one asking. :) |
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| 09:02.12 | Sevet_ | ah, right first time then :) |
| 09:02.25 | Arafangion | Sevet_: Indeed. :) |
| 09:02.36 | Sevet_ | i don't think apt follows redirects, and it won't have https enabled by default. i suspect that's the problem |
| 09:03.51 | Arafangion | That'd do it. |
| 09:04.59 | Sevet_ | looks like newer apt versions do support redirects after all, at least since squeeze. the unknown error is probably that apt doesn't understand the https protocol yet |
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| 09:26.08 | piesel | ping |
| 09:27.04 | piesel | need help setting up preseed: config file seems to be ignored. |
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| 09:30.17 | Mackwerk | Just want to make sure that this cron job will run every wednesday, can someone smarter than me confirm this? :o -> * * * * 2 |
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| 09:31.48 | nkuttler | that will run each minute, won't it? |
| 09:31.54 | nkuttler | Mackwerk: ^^ |
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| 09:32.32 | Mackwerk | nkuttler, :O not sure :( So this should run at 8 am every wednesday right? 0 8 * * 2 |
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| 09:33.06 | nkuttler | Mackwerk: yeah. see also man 5 crontab |
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| 09:56.52 | mykhal | hi, in wheezy, aptitude sometimes stops reacting to q(uit) key.. is it familiar? |
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| 10:01.40 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, I ran this code http://stackoverflow.com/a/5839291/1649067 to update all my Python libs, and I see it also updated a few I haven't installed, which I guess it came with the system, for example.. |
| 10:02.12 | Ephexeve_laptop | python-debianbts |
| 10:02.22 | Ephexeve_laptop | it also updated that one.. will it damange my system/ |
| 10:02.28 | Ephexeve_laptop | or is there a possibility? |
| 10:02.35 | Ephexeve_laptop | since it's updated something that Debina uses and not me? |
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| 10:04.04 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: that only upgrades pip packages.. not debian packages |
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| 10:05.14 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Yeah, but I never installed python-debianbts python-debian, python-apt |
| 10:05.24 | dupondje | Is it ok to use a lenny xen kernel for a domU on a wheezy dom0 ? |
| 10:05.33 | Ephexeve_laptop | which surely came with Debian, for example, python-apt, probably is from apt-get |
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| 10:06.25 | Ephexeve_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-apt <- |
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| 10:07.50 | Ephexeve_laptop | I never installed those and probably aptitude did as dependency of something, so I wonder if since I just updated with pip, if something can break |
| 10:09.22 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: import the module and do module.__file__ |
| 10:09.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Ok |
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| 10:10.15 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: and what's the output? |
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| 10:11.09 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/debianbts.pyc' |
| 10:11.40 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: sounds like your pip is seriously misconfigured.. by default it should install to /usr/local/ if you don't use a virtualenv |
| 10:12.04 | Ephexeve_laptop | O_o |
| 10:12.16 | xsamurai | xsamurai: I'm trying to setup raid 10 across 4 disks via preseed but I keep getting "no root filesystem specified error" , here is my preseed file http://pastebin.com/HGHk49Au |
| 10:12.23 | Ephexeve_laptop | '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/twisted/__init__.pyc' |
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| 10:13.06 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: see with apt-cache policy python-apt and pip freeze if the package was really upgraded |
| 10:13.17 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Ok |
| 10:13.24 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: my guess would be you misread something |
| 10:14.32 | nkuttler | actually.. |
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| 10:15.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: actually..? |
| 10:16.06 | Ephexeve_laptop | and yes, they are the same version |
| 10:16.58 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: so all is well |
| 10:17.10 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: i was just checking if pip maybe does upgrade system packages.. |
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| 10:20.45 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Apparently it does recognize it, yes |
| 10:20.50 | Ephexeve_laptop | but I am not sure.. |
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| 10:23.11 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: yeah, look like pip can upgrade system packages if you run it with root permissions.. don't do that and start using virtualenv anyway |
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| 10:25.03 | Ephexeve_laptop | godamn it |
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| 10:35.30 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: problem.. |
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| 10:35.46 | Ephexeve_laptop | http://bpaste.net/show/ZQusMbdMFO2VtCRAwE6V/ |
| 10:36.00 | Ephexeve_laptop | check reportlab in pip freeze and reportlab in apt-get cache.. |
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| 10:42.18 | brontosaurusrex | how silly it would be to update libc6 from sid to wheezy? |
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| 10:42.56 | burek | Arafangion and Sevet, thank you guys, I'll investigate more into that :) |
| 10:43.29 | nkuttler | brontosaurusrex: what do you mean? backport it? |
| 10:43.46 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: Shouldn't be necessary -- What are you *really* trying to achieve? |
| 10:43.58 | babilen | I also wouldn't necessarily advice to do that |
| 10:44.53 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: yeah, so you ran pip as root and upgraded system packages |
| 10:45.13 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: basically.. you broke your system |
| 10:45.23 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 10:53.27 | burek | just to update my solution, it appears that apt indeed does not follow redirects, thus accessing http page which redirects to https makes apt stuck and eventually time out with "Undetermined Error" |
| 10:53.45 | burek | so i just change the url in the /etc/apt/sources.list from http to https |
| 10:53.55 | burek | everything works now :) \o/ :beer: |
| 10:54.02 | burek | thanks again guys :) |
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| 11:05.47 | agsel | hey. I tried to upgrade curl, but messed up somewhere. how can I downgrade back to official stable? |
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| 11:12.47 | DotHack | anyone any cups knowledge? in #cups nobody is anwering... |
| 11:13.19 | babilen | DotHack: |
| 11:13.26 | babilen | DotHack: Just ask your real question |
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| 11:15.09 | DotHack | ok, here it goes. I have a plain textfile wich i want printed with cups. i installed my printer with a generic pcl5 driver. the file prints so far so good. But know i have a file with some sequence for generating a barcode in it. i also have a sed script thatll convert the sequence to some pcl sequence the printer understands to print the barcode |
| 11:15.34 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Is there a way I can fix this? |
| 11:15.36 | Ephexeve_laptop | Do you know? |
| 11:15.46 | DotHack | but since the file gets converted by the filter it also converts te sequence so that it ist pcl anymore |
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| 11:16.09 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Anyway I can reinstall everything from Python? |
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| 11:16.37 | DotHack | with -o raw it work but then margins an stuff are lost because no processing gets done an all so pcl margin initialisation doesnt happen |
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| 11:17.38 | DotHack | is there a way to tell the cups filter (texttopdf) not to filter some characters in the file (by prepending some escape code or so?) |
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| 11:19.22 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: reinstalling is probably the easiest option |
| 11:19.31 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: the whole system? |
| 11:19.35 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 11:19.40 | Ephexeve_laptop | .. |
| 11:19.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | nah, there is another way |
| 11:19.55 | nkuttler | sure, i said easiest |
| 11:20.22 | Ephexeve_laptop | Yeah, I know, I can't reinstall it |
| 11:20.26 | Ephexeve_laptop | so I will have to figure something else |
| 11:20.42 | nkuttler | well then should probably reinstall the packages for all libs that have been upgraded |
| 11:20.48 | nkuttler | you should |
| 11:21.05 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: and never let pip touch system packages again |
| 11:21.34 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Is there a way I can do something like |
| 11:21.41 | Ephexeve_laptop | apititude reinstall python-*? |
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| 11:23.19 | tralala | how does one change tty keymaps in wheezy? loadkeys doesn't seem to work anymore |
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| 11:24.15 | musca | !keymap |
| 11:24.16 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 11:25.02 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: use something like dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:25.19 | tralala | I don't want to change the default keymap, just switch it on the fly - the way loadkeys used to wtork |
| 11:25.22 | tralala | work |
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| 11:28.27 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Perhaps something liek that ? dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | grep python |
| 11:29.37 | musca | tralala: please tell us, what command did you try? what was the result? |
| 11:29.39 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: maybe grep ^python | grep install$ |
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| 11:31.07 | Ephexeve_laptop | nkuttler: Hwo about -> for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | grep python` ; do apt-get -y --force-yes install --reinstall $pkg ; done |
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| 11:31.56 | nkuttler | Ephexeve_laptop: --force-yes seems like a bad idea |
| 11:32.09 | nkuttler | just apt-get install --reinstall `thelist` |
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| 11:32.26 | Ephexeve_laptop | Ok |
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| 11:33.29 | Ephexeve_laptop | Let's see.. running.. |
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| 11:37.02 | theahindle | Hey trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but it's failing because it's failing to change permission of a file |
| 11:37.20 | theahindle | Presumably because the folder it's in is symlinked to an nfs share |
| 11:37.37 | theahindle | Am I best getting rid of the symlink, upgrading, then putting it back? OR is there a way for it to not fail because of chown failing on a README file ? |
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| 11:41.50 | Ephexeve_laptop | ah.. fuck.. |
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| 11:47.35 | bazZzti | hi folks |
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| 11:50.56 | bazZzti | need help with wheezy and install xbmc |
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| 11:52.58 | Roenie | bazZzti, you'll need to ask specific questions |
| 11:53.35 | xsamurai | I'm trying to setup raid 10 across 4 disks via preseed but I keep getting "no root filesystem specified error" , here is my preseed file http://pastebin.com/HGHk49Au |
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| 11:54.48 | Roenie | are you trying to boot off the raid 10? |
| 11:55.25 | bazZzti | ok Roenie: |
| 11:55.49 | bazZzti | i wanted to install via sudo dpkg -i xbmc but nothing happens |
| 11:56.24 | Roenie | booting off raid can be a real pain when the raid has a problem, because to fix it you have to bring up the raid first to access / |
| 11:56.36 | Roenie | ...been there done that |
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| 11:57.23 | abrotman | bazZzti: i doubt nothing happens .. what's the actual error? |
| 11:57.45 | Gycklarn | Is anyone here familiar with "screen"? I updated my debian box from Squeeze to Wheezy yesterday (including, I assume, screen. Not sure, though), and my hardstatus line is weird since then. Here are examples: working: http://i.imgur.com/XLFlEPq.png Not working: http://i.imgur.com/xAq9lZY.png |
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| 11:58.09 | abrotman | Gycklarn: did you check the changelog and NEWS files? |
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| 11:58.44 | abrotman | Gycklarn: what's the difference? the coloring? |
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| 11:59.35 | Gycklarn | abrotman, Haven't read any changelogs yet. And yes, the coloring |
| 11:59.56 | Gycklarn | It's a very minor issue, but it's still bugging me, heh. |
| 12:00.19 | bazZzti | error couldnt find file or folder |
| 12:00.51 | Roenie | xsamurai, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm#Booting |
| 12:01.53 | tralala | musca, command "loadkeys us", result "cannot open file us". According to the manual of loadkeys the keymap files should be in /usr/share/keymaps, but I don't have such a directory on my system |
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| 12:04.11 | xsamurai | Roenie: sorry was away, trying to get preseeding working but I keep getting an error about no root file system specified , here is my preseed file http://pastebin.com/HGHk49Au |
| 12:04.30 | Roenie | I know. |
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| 12:05.04 | Roenie | I doubt your issue is the preseeding itself - looks like you're booting off a stripe |
| 12:05.17 | F_Kafka | question, if i edit an .html file with vim, is it difference than editing an .html with microsoft webmatrix on windows? |
| 12:05.24 | F_Kafka | *is there any difference |
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| 12:06.29 | Roenie | before the kernel is loaded, the kernel driver required to bring up the striped array will not be loaded yet |
| 12:06.55 | Roenie | so if the kernel is on the striped array... |
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| 12:07.11 | xsamurai | odd, i'll check if previous raid info was removed from the drives , time to sleep , btw thanks for the link def good to have around |
| 12:07.16 | Roenie | "With more recent bootloaders it is possible to load the MD support as a kernel module through the initramfs mechanism, this approach allows you to let the /boot filesystem be inside any RAID system without the need of a complex manual configuration." |
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| 12:08.10 | Roenie | but i don't remember how that's done |
| 12:08.26 | xsamurai | easy make a custom initrd |
| 12:08.30 | Roenie | (i just decided to put / on a raid 1 array instead) |
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| 12:08.40 | abrotman | Gycklarn: i might ask #irssi if something about he configu file structure changed that woudl be refelcted in the new version |
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| 12:09.08 | Roenie | i have done it in the past, when using fakeraid cards |
| 12:09.12 | abrotman | F_Kafka: you mean besides the nuances of vim vs a GUI editor? |
| 12:09.27 | abrotman | F_Kafka: you're asking about when you save it, correct? |
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| 12:10.00 | F_Kafka | uhmmm |
| 12:10.15 | F_Kafka | well let's say when i press enter on text |
| 12:10.19 | F_Kafka | liek creating new lines |
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| 12:10.21 | F_Kafka | *like |
| 12:10.25 | Gycklarn | abrotman, irssi? This has nothing to do with irssi |
| 12:10.27 | Roenie | if for some reason the raid doesn't come up though, or your system fails to continue booting before the raid is up, it's a royal pain to fix it as you cannot access / if it is on the raid |
| 12:10.29 | F_Kafka | is the editing itself is different? |
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| 12:11.07 | abrotman | Gycklarn: sorry, brain fart .. |
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| 12:11.20 | tralala | ok, I found it - keymaps are in the console-data package which wasn't installed. loadkeys works as expected now |
| 12:11.21 | F_Kafka | if i edit text on an html file with vim, could there be a different output compared to editing it with microsoft's webmatrix? |
| 12:11.36 | abrotman | F_Kafka: newline charachters perhaps, but otherwise, shouldn't be |
| 12:11.44 | F_Kafka | output as in i'm trying to run the html file locally with my browser |
| 12:12.03 | F_Kafka | how can i make it compatible either way? |
| 12:12.16 | F_Kafka | somehow to imitate the newline that vim does |
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| 12:13.28 | abrotman | F_Kafka: it shouldn't matter .. the output should be the same in your browser |
| 12:13.32 | tralala | Gycklarn, not exactly an answer to your problem, but have you considered tmux? |
| 12:13.44 | Roenie | xsamurai, with / on a raid 1 you can always boot and access / because you don't need a (kernel) module to be loaded to do so. For that reason I have / on raid 1 and just use mountpoints on other arrays for things like /home and others |
| 12:14.00 | astor | I guess you all know this, but the certificate on security-tracker.debian.org is invalid, and has been invalid for more than a week. |
| 12:14.16 | Roenie | much easier to fix a non booting system |
| 12:14.18 | F_Kafka | cuz my boss was kind of angry at me when i used microsoft's webmatrix instead of vim |
| 12:14.21 | F_Kafka | heh.. |
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| 12:14.37 | F_Kafka | because it might be different with the newline characters |
| 12:14.40 | Gycklarn | tralala, Slightly, yes. My friend is saying very good things about tmux, but I like screen |
| 12:14.40 | abrotman | well, he should be ... |
| 12:15.11 | F_Kafka | but vim sucks at it because i have to edit foreign language text (right-to-left) language |
| 12:15.18 | Roenie | if your LVM + raid 10 with / on it doesn't boot, you need to boot off other media and bring up the raid, lvm, and chroot into it to fix anything |
| 12:15.22 | F_Kafka | and it just doesn't work properly on vim as it does on web matrix |
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| 12:15.57 | abrotman | F_Kafka: okay .. so take that up with your boss .. otherwise, he's your boss? |
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| 12:16.24 | xsamurai | Roenie: thanks I'll keep that in mind |
| 12:16.59 | Roenie | tbh i am not sure if booting off LVM is possible |
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| 12:17.17 | Roenie | not advisable even if it is |
| 12:17.37 | Roenie | yw xsamurai |
| 12:18.23 | xsamurai | I can have a separate boot partition |
| 12:20.50 | tralala | Gycklarn, you can configure tmux to behave like screen, so you don't have to learn new things. If your screen setup isn't too advanced you won't feel the transition. I didn't. |
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| 12:29.16 | tralala | Gycklarn, I found this tmux.conf somewhere on the webs but I can't dig up the original site now, so here's my copy instead: http://pastie.org/8152229 |
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| 12:29.34 | Gycklarn | tralala, awesome, thanks. I'll take a look. |
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| 12:30.24 | tralala | Gycklarn, you're welcome :-) |
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| 12:35.02 | dashs | I've removed a failing USB drive (Debian 6), but was unable to umount it. The device is now undefined. Force umount fails with "Device or resource busy". How can I umount it? |
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| 12:37.42 | dashs | Ooops. umount -l |
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| 12:46.25 | Arafangion | dashs: The -f option doesn't work? |
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| 12:49.22 | Stygia | dashs, Try lsof | grep -i "path", that'll show you if something is keeping it open, preventing it from unmounting. |
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| 12:50.32 | Arafangion | Stygia: It's a *failing* drive. |
| 12:50.46 | Arafangion | Stygia: THe system might be stuck trying to update a particular file. |
| 12:51.58 | Stygia | Arafangion, Ah, missed that, sory. |
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| 12:59.28 | Someguy123 | http://pastebin.com/TALP2XHU this package is broken, any idea how I force debian to ignore it? redownloading it by deleting it didn't fix it |
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| 13:00.11 | dashs | Arafangio, Stygia: umount -l worked. Thsi was an xfs file system and it was emitting an error message once a minute... |
| 13:02.02 | Stygia | Someguy123, try apt-get autoclean and install it again? |
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| 13:02.20 | Someguy123 | apparantly I have to upgrade my dpkg |
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| 13:04.24 | petn-randall | Someguy123: This shouldn't happen on a stock Debian. Let's take a step back. What are you trying to do, what are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:04.56 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, hang on a second, I think this fixed it |
| 13:05.10 | Someguy123 | I upgraded my dpkg by hand, and straight after it automatically attempted to finish the upgrade |
| 13:05.19 | Someguy123 | and it appears to be finally installing sucecssfuly |
| 13:05.27 | Someguy123 | successfuly* |
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| 13:06.01 | dashs | Arafangio, Stygia: in fact it's still emitting the message |
| 13:06.15 | petn-randall | still thinks that Someguy123's system might be borked. |
| 13:06.29 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, I hope that it isnt =_= |
| 13:07.57 | Someguy123 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.02 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, ^ |
| 13:08.06 | Someguy123 | that can't be good... |
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| 13:08.19 | Stygia | Someguy123, try aptitude reinstall on it? On occasion, I have experienced aptitude solving problems apt itself could not (but no promises). |
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| 13:09.22 | Someguy123 | Stygia, it looks like I left a testing repo in my sources |
| 13:09.29 | Someguy123 | which I was probably using for just a single package |
| 13:09.49 | Stygia | Someguy123, Read up on apt-pinning, you can still do that if you just set your main distro as the highest priority. :) |
| 13:09.52 | Someguy123 | well. I think my system is going to be screwed |
| 13:09.55 | Stygia | Someguy123, then install with package/testing |
| 13:10.06 | bikeshedder | I'm having some troubles with the interactive debian installer (non GUI): I get a "Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release." - I used the same CD image on an other server and it worked well. Only difference this time: I set up md RAID and LVM |
| 13:10.26 | Stygia | Someguy123, If you already dist-upgraded, though, I'd say just upgrade to whichever version you now half-are. Upgrading to more recent _tends_ to work. |
| 13:10.37 | Someguy123 | Stygia, well I didn't dist-upgrade |
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| 13:10.40 | bikeshedder | and now in the menu any time I select an option I get this error message - I guess I have to reboot? |
| 13:10.42 | Someguy123 | I just did a normal upgrade |
| 13:11.00 | bikeshedder | ah, it seams the CD ROM is no longer available |
| 13:11.01 | petn-randall | Someguy123: That is your *COMPLETE* sources.list? |
| 13:11.05 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, no |
| 13:11.25 | petn-randall | Someguy123: Use http://paste.debian.net, don't paste it in here. |
| 13:11.26 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, http://pastebin.com/dnmL48aa |
| 13:11.40 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 13:11.40 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 13:12.11 | petn-randall | Someguy123: You've mixed stable, stable-security, testing and some 3rd party repo ... not good. |
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| 13:12.29 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, wow. I didn't even realize that |
| 13:12.37 | petn-randall | Someguy123: You're probably on testing, or somewhere between stable and testing. |
| 13:12.48 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, is there any way to revert this? |
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| 13:13.20 | petn-randall | Someguy123: What does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' show? When it asks to upgrade, type 'n'. |
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| 13:13.49 | bikeshedder | ah, the virtual CD drive was ejected and so it could no longer read the data on the CD... this error is highly misleading: "Could not read CD ..." would've made more sense in the installer |
| 13:13.54 | petn-randall | Someguy123: Downgrading is not supported, however if it's only a few packages, it might work. Though you've already upgraded dpkg, which might make it difficult ... |
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| 13:16.30 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b9bbf89a/ |
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| 13:18.47 | Someguy123 | petn-randall, i'm seeing a lot of packages there, does that mean there's a good chance I didn't actually upgrade to testing? |
| 13:19.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell Someguy123 -about which repo |
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| 13:21.03 | Someguy123 | babilen, hmm thanks |
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| 13:22.43 | Someguy123 | hey petn-randall |
| 13:23.09 | Someguy123 | according to the thing babilen gave me, it looks like around 426 packages out of the 1342 on my system are testing |
| 13:23.11 | babilen | Someguy123: It would be good if you could show us that output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:23.31 | Someguy123 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/16781/ |
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| 13:23.47 | Someguy123 | it might not be as bad as I thought, there's a large part of the system still on squeeze/main |
| 13:23.52 | babilen | *squeeze* and testing mix? o_O |
| 13:24.18 | Someguy123 | babilen, originally I needed just a few packages from testing, then I did an upgrade without thinking and half of my system is now testing. |
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| 13:24.42 | Someguy123 | thought my sources was all squeeze since that was a long time ago when I would've added those repos |
| 13:25.13 | babilen | And please don't use ftp.debian.org but a local mirror via http.debian.net or the per-country ones (ftp.uk.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org, ftp.tw.debian.org, ...) |
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| 13:25.31 | francesco__ | Hello. |
| 13:25.44 | Someguy123 | babilen, okay, sorry about that |
| 13:25.52 | Someguy123 | do you know how I can recover from this mess though? |
| 13:26.05 | babilen | Someguy123: No, you won't be able to downgrade that system to squeeze. It *might* be possible to upgrade/downgrade it to wheezy, but I am far from being convinced that that would work. |
| 13:26.39 | Someguy123 | babilen, right now the system is in a strange testing/squeeze mixture, and SOMEHOW apache is still working |
| 13:26.47 | francesco__ | I am interested in trying a text-mode web-browser. I am trying Elinks at the moment. I am fascinated by the old-fashioned text mode interface. But do you think it could bew worthwhile. Tell me what you think. |
| 13:27.24 | babilen | francesco__: try w3m amd links2, but IMHO not worth it. The web is graphical these days. |
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| 13:28.02 | Someguy123 | babilen, what exactly are my options here? as far as it matters, apt is slightly borked, but the system is somewhat usable |
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| 13:28.25 | francesco__ | babilen, have you already used w3m and links2? |
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| 13:28.46 | n1md4 | hi. need a bit of assistance with this script http://pastie.org/pastes/8152387/text I'd like it parse fstab, assigning variables to the first 3 white-space separated columns. |
| 13:28.50 | Someguy123 | a reinstall could mean hours of reconfiguring all of the sites on the server, as well as coping over 100gb of data over |
| 13:28.59 | babilen | Someguy123: Well, you have a very unhealthy mix there. (oldstable + testing) -- What you have to do is essentially upgrading half of the system and downgrading the other half. It might work, but I wouldn't expect it to. A direct upgrade from oldstable to testing might have better chances, but then you'll run testing and this is not guaranteed to work. |
| 13:29.37 | n1md4 | But this does not work, I get strange results. I think this is likely to my useage of IFS. Any assistance would be appreciated |
| 13:29.46 | babilen | Someguy123: In the end you'll never have a reliable system that you can trust -- Restore from backups, upgrade to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) and backport whatever you need from testing manually (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 13:30.18 | babilen | n1md4: I'd recommend #bash |
| 13:30.36 | Someguy123 | babilen, okay, I guess I'll just talk with my server host, I'll get a second server with a fresh debian 7 and start transfering all of the data |
| 13:30.45 | n1md4 | babilen: fair enough, you're prolly right :) thanks. |
| 13:30.54 | Someguy123 | it's probably the only safe option right now, I'm doubting I can even reboot the server in its current state |
| 13:30.58 | babilen | Someguy123: And restoring the data and configuratrion shouldn't take that long - I mean you essentially have to copy the data and configuration files over. |
| 13:31.06 | babilen | n1md4: See you there :) |
| 13:32.07 | babilen | Someguy123: Sorry, but *even* if we manage to get your system in some consistent state with a lot of work I wouldn't trust it. I mean you can try it (pin wheezy to a priority >= 1001 and run apt-get dist-upgrade), but the combination of upgrade/downgrade is just scary |
| 13:32.35 | Someguy123 | babilen, as far as it matters, I managed to get the web server working again, at least for a while |
| 13:32.56 | Someguy123 | it'll give me enough time to transfer my data to a new server without causing any downtime for my users |
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| 13:33.25 | Someguy123 | (I'm obviously a complete idiot for runnin upgrade without thinking on a major production server though) |
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| 13:37.15 | Kingsy | how can I install the java plugin for chromium ? |
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| 13:41.45 | mt_server | Kingsy: aptitude install icedtea-plugin |
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| 13:42.39 | SudoAptitude | Hi! I want to create a Windows VM on a Debian machine (with no GUI installed and SSH access). What's the best approach? How would I install windows without any GUI? |
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| 13:43.26 | mt_server | SudoAptitude: look at qemu/virtmanager... virtmanager can access a remote qemu/kvm instance over ssh |
| 13:43.48 | SudoAptitude | thanks, I'l have a google on that :) |
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| 13:43.54 | Kingsy | perfect |
| 13:43.57 | Kingsy | thanks mt_server |
| 13:44.03 | mt_server | np |
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| 13:45.58 | fardice | How can I make my debian have all those cool colors and shit? http://i.imgur.com/Df3P9.png |
| 13:46.36 | schuschu | that is a media player |
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| 13:46.46 | vsync_ | lol |
| 13:46.49 | fardice | schuschu: Is it normally that color? |
| 13:46.57 | schuschu | i dont know |
| 13:46.59 | fardice | like font n shit |
| 13:47.04 | schuschu | i dont even know which media player it is |
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| 13:47.29 | schuschu | maybe mplayer |
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| 13:47.36 | vsync_ | um, that's actually more than a media player afaik |
| 13:47.50 | vsync_ | that's a tiling wm |
| 13:48.40 | vsync_ | could be awesome, or hmmm what's the name of that another popular one... |
| 13:48.46 | vsync_ | xmonad I think |
| 13:48.47 | schuschu | i dont get it why ppl will use this |
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| 13:49.02 | vsync_ | tiling wms? |
| 13:49.06 | schuschu | yes |
| 13:49.07 | fardice | No, I just want to know he got all those wicked colors |
| 13:49.23 | vsync_ | there are probably readymade themes available |
| 13:49.26 | vsync_ | google... |
| 13:49.33 | fardice | What do I google? |
| 13:49.40 | mt_server | oh man |
| 13:49.43 | schuschu | ^^ |
| 13:49.45 | mtn | ha ha |
| 13:49.49 | schuschu | xmonad themes? |
| 13:49.52 | schuschu | dude |
| 13:49.52 | schuschu | ^^ |
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| 13:50.11 | schuschu | i never use a tiling wm |
| 13:50.19 | schuschu | is it comfortable to use? |
| 13:50.35 | vsync_ | I guess they are, but takes a lot of getting used to i suppose |
| 13:50.50 | vsync_ | and configuring... blehhhhh |
| 13:51.02 | schuschu | :D |
| 13:51.05 | mt_server | is a couch more comfortable than a recliner? |
| 13:51.18 | vsync_ | my bed is ultra comfy |
| 13:51.33 | mt_server | drinks more coffee |
| 13:51.40 | schuschu | i think my gnome is the most comfortable wm:> |
| 13:51.49 | mt_server | no talking about beds |
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| 13:52.20 | vsync_ | yeh getting sleepy aswell :) |
| 13:52.20 | vsync_ | sweeeepeeeeeh :( |
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| 13:52.34 | schuschu | ohw is it night for you? |
| 13:52.40 | schuschu | here is 4pm |
| 13:52.47 | schuschu | im at work |
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| 13:52.52 | schuschu | and i want to go home:( |
| 13:52.55 | vsync_ | same |
| 13:53.03 | mt_server | its morning here... and i want to go home :) |
| 13:53.09 | babilen | Mind taking the social chat to #debian-offtopic ? |
| 13:53.17 | vsync_ | been here since 9 am, i can probably leave at 7 pm :\ ...maybe. And this is not an office job |
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| 13:53.31 | vsync_ | i'm just slacking, cause i slept maybe 4 hours last night |
| 13:53.45 | vsync_ | and, it's 5 pm here atm |
| 13:54.16 | vsync_ | yeh, sorry, was just to clarify * |
| 13:54.31 | vsync_ | anyway, don't think either xmonad nor awesome is on the official repos |
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| 13:55.02 | mt_server | vsync_: both are |
| 13:55.08 | vsync_ | oh, cool |
| 13:55.25 | vsync_ | don't really know about this stuff, not using debian on desktop |
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| 13:56.14 | babilen | vsync_: Well, then just don't say anything :) |
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| 13:56.41 | wdouglass | vsync_: i just started using i3 (it's tiling like xmonad)...i've very happy with it |
| 13:56.47 | mt_server | harsh :) |
| 13:56.59 | vsync_ | well, no need to be like that, in the first place i merely made it clear it was no music player only |
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| 13:58.28 | vsync_ | o'well, let's get back to idling. cause it's better than OT. Laters everyone! |
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| 14:03.46 | babilen | wdouglass: i3 is horrible for a couple of reasons and I would recommend to use a different wm such as awesome. the main problem is that it's tree based client model makes it impossible to predict the behaviour of your commands if you aren't aware of the history in which you created it. (there are other things that are just sad for the "successor" of wmii (where is the wonderful tagging?!!!), but that is the most important aspect) |
| 14:03.53 | babilen | </offtopic> |
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| 14:05.11 | petn-randall | fardice: This looks like a Tiling WM or 'screen' to me ... |
| 14:05.14 | ealdeguer | Hi everybody, I'm lost ! I've upgrade my debian from squeeze to wheezy, with Gnome 3 and it seems there is some issues, is that normal ? for example whatever wallpaper/background I select it is never applied. Or my favorites applications are never saved if I close and reopen my session |
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| 14:05.31 | ealdeguer | I can't mount my external usb-CDROM drive neither |
| 14:05.33 | wdouglass | babilen: i could see that complaint...sometimes windows pop up where i don't expect. I'm kind of new to tiling and i tried xmonad and awesome before landing on i3. I guess the default keybindings sell me the most, i'll probably end up shopping around once i get bored of i3, and bastardizing keybindings as i see fit. |
| 14:06.48 | mt_server | ealdeguer: sounds like a problem with the gnome-session application and/or nautlius |
| 14:07.15 | petn-randall | ealdeguer: Have you checked if the upgrade went through cleanly? Paste the output of following commands to http://paste.debian.net: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list', 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade', 'dpkg --configure -a'. |
| 14:08.51 | babilen | wdouglass: i3 is just impossible to predict and that renders it completely unusable (to me at least) as I want to know what will happen if I issue a specific command. Or rather: I want the same thing to happen and I don't want to have to remember in which order I split windows earlier. There are other idiosyncrasies .. but then I also dislike it personally as I *loved* the wmii window manager and, in particular, its dynamic tagging system. i3 ... |
| 14:08.57 | babilen | ... sees itself as successor to wmii, but they just abandoned everything that was great about wmii, kept the idea of "stacked, standard, fullscreen" and piled random shit on top |
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| 14:09.15 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I want to buy a touchscreen for bei debian. Is there anything to note? |
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| 14:09.53 | bytecounter | e. g. known problems with a special manufacturer? |
| 14:10.12 | petn-randall | Haha, everyone's a Perl array :) |
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| 14:13.30 | wdouglass | babilen: is the wmii project defunct, or is it still maintained? |
| 14:13.49 | petn-randall | ealdeguer: You've still got squeeze-backports in your sources.list, you can take that out. |
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| 14:14.09 | petn-randall | ealdeguer: With the /topic I meant the part "/msg bots NOT people" |
| 14:14.15 | jtreminio | Morning all. I want to install php 5.5 on Debian, but don't want to use dotdeb. Does anyone have suggestions on a good, stable alternative? |
| 14:15.07 | petn-randall | jtreminio: Install it to /usr/local/ |
| 14:15.12 | Lanser | Morning, jtremino. |
| 14:15.29 | jtreminio | hi :) |
| 14:15.32 | Lanser | petn-randall: You forgot to told him about ./configure --prefix=/user/local |
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| 14:15.51 | Lanser | /usr/local* |
| 14:15.55 | Lanser | I am just typing madly fast. |
| 14:15.57 | ealdeguer | petn-randall: here it is http://paste.debian.net/16810 so I should remove this old lines with squeeze correct and then update and upgrade |
| 14:15.59 | Lanser | can't think. |
| 14:16.01 | jtreminio | Yeah, I'm not looking to compile haha |
| 14:16.09 | jtreminio | I want to use apt-get, for distribution purposes. |
| 14:17.11 | petn-randall | jtreminio: All software in Wheezy is only tested with 5.4, you'll probably break a lot of other things if you find packages that upgrade 'php5'. |
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| 14:17.43 | wdouglass | there's php5.5 in sid, but i wouldn't call that stable by any stretch. you're probably best off waiting |
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| 14:19.16 | petn-randall | ealdeguer: You just gave me the old paste again. |
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| 14:22.26 | ealdeguer | petn-randall: Here it is : http://paste.debian.net/16812 |
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| 14:23.56 | bikeshedder | I have installed the absolute base system of debian because I had no internet connection during the installation. What (meta-) package do I need to install in order to get standard tools like "ping", etc. Usually tasksel runs and offers to install some basic packages ... |
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| 14:24.36 | petn-randall | bikeshedder: I don't know of any meta-package. Just install the tools you need. |
| 14:24.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell bikeshedder -about standard |
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| 14:24.56 | babilen | bikeshedder: You can also run tasksel manually, but that would just install metapackages. |
| 14:25.10 | petn-randall | bikeshedder: You can install 'command-not-found' and it'll tell you which packages you need to install for the missing command. |
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| 14:25.22 | wdouglass | bikeshedder: ping is in iputils-ping |
| 14:26.22 | bikeshedder | well, I wanted a "default" install... i did now get a minimal install |
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| 14:26.47 | bikeshedder | I know how to find the packages one by one, but that's rather time consuming and I'd prefer not having to do that. |
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| 14:27.22 | babilen | bikeshedder: Installing the "standard" task is probably as close as you get to a "default" install with Debian. But don't despair, just install what is missing. |
| 14:27.55 | babilen | bikeshedder: The bot sent you the "standard" factoid that contains an aptitude search expression for packages that belong to the standard task. Just install those. |
| 14:28.05 | leftist | morning. doing a netinstall 7.0. it doesnt see the tigon/tg3_tso.bin on a usb i inserted for the firmware. obvoiosuly this server doenst have a floppy. is it manditory i provide the firmware? it says it needs it. |
| 14:28.06 | babilen | (that is why I asked the bot to send you that) |
| 14:28.48 | themill | (all of standard task is on the netinstall image already though) |
| 14:29.09 | Sevet_ | (why are we talking in brackets?) |
| 14:29.19 | bikeshedder | aaaah, "tasksel install standard". For some reason "tasksel" is unable to list the available tasks. Didn't know it was really called that way. Thanks babilen. |
| 14:29.39 | babilen | leftist: First and foremost: 7.0 is outdated and you should use 7.1. Secondly: you don't need the firmware *now* if you don't want to use the hardware. We also provide images with firmware or you can provide firmware on a removable medium. See <firmware image> and <installer firmare> for details (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
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| 14:30.23 | themill | Most tg3 functionality doesn't require the firmware in any case |
| 14:30.43 | leftist | reason i am using 7.0 is cause this tutorial is using it and i'm just going through an exercise basically to see what i end up with. ok thanks babilen |
| 14:30.59 | babilen | leftist: tutorial? that already sounds bad ... |
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| 14:31.07 | leftist | haha |
| 14:31.15 | bikeshedder | it seams that "tasksel --list-tasks" does not know how to list the available tasks when the standard task is missing. That explains my confusion. |
| 14:31.21 | leftist | haha |
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| 14:31.55 | babilen | leftist: So, either use an image with firmware (and please use a recent one), provide firmware on a USB stick or install the firmware package later. (you want firmware-linux-nonfree from, well, non-free) |
| 14:32.02 | babilen | leftist: Which GPU do you have? |
| 14:32.08 | babilen | dpkg: standard |
| 14:32.09 | dpkg | somebody said standard task was a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 14:32.45 | bikeshedder | leftist, make yourself happy and use this image: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ ... and if you really want you can even find a 7.0 netinst image there. |
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| 14:32.51 | babilen | bikeshedder: That is the factoid the bot sent you some time ago and you can run something like "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" to install those packages |
| 14:33.27 | blib | Who is using 9001 port on my machine -> netstat -aon | grep "9001" -- outputs --> unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 9001 @/tmp/.ICE-unix/3145 |
| 14:33.31 | babilen | leftist: could you give me a link to that tutorial that requires you to use an outdated installer? |
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| 14:34.04 | ealdeguer | petn-randall: it did update two libraries |
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| 14:34.48 | petn-randall | blib: Try 'netstat -npl', you probably want to know which process is bound to port 9001? |
| 14:35.35 | blib | petn-randall: that says none. When I try to start supervisor, it complains that 9001 port is being used? |
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| 14:36.26 | blib | petn-randall: ah, maybe supervisor is trying to use 80 |
| 14:36.31 | petn-randall | blib: Paste the full info of what you're starting and what the output is. → http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:43.41 | Kingsy | is node.js available in the repos to install? |
| 14:43.57 | ealdeguer | petn-randall: unfortunately it didn't fix my issues |
| 14:44.09 | petn-randall | Kingsy: Have you tried 'apt-cache search' yet? |
| 14:44.47 | billyw | I'm having an issue with grub (1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1) where grub expects a syntax of "--set==root" in the search command, but update-grub produces a grub.cfg simply with "--set" |
| 14:44.56 | Kingsy | well it returns ruby-amqp so I assume its not available |
| 14:45.15 | billyw | So every time an update causes update-grub to run, the system becomes unbootable until I manually correct it |
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| 14:46.12 | petn-randall | billyw: You can configure what it appends in /etc/default/grub IIRC. |
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| 14:46.33 | petn-randall | billyw: and /etc/grub.d/* |
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| 14:47.47 | billyw | petn-randall: That sounds right... I had trouble finding anything regarding the search command in those, but I'll check again |
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| 14:50.41 | hillfinger | hi, i've got a problem with wifi on my notebook: scans fine, yet cannot connect |
| 14:51.05 | hillfinger | [ 8.321903] ath5k: phy0: Atheros AR5212 chip found (MAC: 0x56, PHY: 0x41) |
| 14:51.34 | hillfinger | that's all I get during connection attempts: [ 1399.230191] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready, and so on |
| 14:52.02 | hillfinger | it's thinkpad t41, by the way |
| 14:53.27 | lord4163 | Kingsy: I think most people compile it because that's a newer version, but I don't know. |
| 14:53.40 | th0r | hillfinger, just a thought. Have you tried disabling ipv6? |
| 14:54.52 | hillfinger | th0r: at the risk of asking silly question, how exactly do i do that? |
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| 14:55.19 | th0r | hillfinger, well...this is a VERY old note I have on that.... echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf |
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| 14:55.55 | th0r | hillfinger, not sure if it is still applicable....don't tinker in depth like I used to <smile> |
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| 14:56.32 | hillfinger | google then, one sec |
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| 14:58.50 | hillfinger | no luck, same thing happening |
| 14:59.21 | th0r | hillfinger, that is, I think, read as a kernel parameter at boot. I believe you need to reboot to see if it works |
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| 14:59.52 | th0r | hillfinger, there is a README in /etc/sysctl.d that is short, but informative |
| 15:00.34 | hillfinger | I did sysctl --system, values are fine, unless i'm missing something |
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| 15:02.35 | hillfinger | hmm |
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| 15:05.23 | hillfinger | well that is a little silly |
| 15:05.32 | hillfinger | i entered password as hex instead of ascii |
| 15:06.18 | SirLagz | Why is my sound not working =/ |
| 15:06.33 | SirLagz | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gives me static...but chrome gives me no sound on youtube =/ |
| 15:06.38 | SirLagz | aplay won't play music either |
| 15:06.38 | hillfinger | thanks th0r, im off |
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| 15:10.44 | blib | anyone using supervisor here ? (apt-get install supervisor) - I get a "ERROR" when I try to start it, without any logs |
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| 15:12.09 | tubaman | SirLagz, I pulseaudio running? |
| 15:13.33 | SirLagz | tubaman, yes. |
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| 15:14.01 | lord4163 | SirLagz: It may be flash player, check if there are two versions of flash installed? |
| 15:14.09 | tubaman | you might try stopping it |
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| 15:14.26 | SirLagz | lord4163, music isn't playing through aplay either though |
| 15:14.37 | tubaman | also make sure you've got the volume up and no mute (alsamixer) |
| 15:14.40 | SirLagz | wait. pulseaudio isn't running...I thought it was |
| 15:14.51 | lord4163 | SirLagz: :P |
| 15:14.53 | themill | !list alsa users |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device:«ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`». Alternatively, «fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer» |
| 15:14.59 | SirLagz | volumes up, when i do cat urandom > /dev/dsp, i get static |
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| 15:16.47 | SirLagz | wait, i got some sound via aplay. |
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| 15:16.55 | SirLagz | Something isn't being pointed in the right direction i guess |
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| 15:19.42 | anomaly | ssmtp is set up, I edited apache2/php.ini for sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/ssmtp -t, mails through php (wiki for example) are not getting through. so, when I go to the command line, the -t flag gives an error > ssmtp: recipients with -t option not supported. removing the -t does not give an error in the wiki sign up form, but the log for apache says there was not a recipient given. anyone know how to resolve this? |
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| 15:28.24 | moxie | trying to install debian but it is asking for a bnx firmware? |
| 15:28.27 | Shtl | i can get net through my router, but unable to ping it |
| 15:28.36 | SirLagz | ah ha ! got the sound going |
| 15:28.39 | SirLagz | damn pulseaudio |
| 15:28.51 | Shtl | its ip is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:29.14 | olivier_bK | hy |
| 15:29.30 | olivier_bK | i have a strange probleme when i try to connect in ssh |
| 15:29.40 | Sevet_ | !tell moxie about firmware |
| 15:29.44 | bikeshedder | moxie, the bnx firmware is in the non-free repository. You can either load it from a separate disc or use an installer image which already includes the firmware files. |
| 15:29.47 | olivier_bK | and i dont understand she error |
| 15:29.48 | olivier_bK | https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/9b614d6016ee30e3d6aa |
| 15:29.57 | stmiller | moxie http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 15:29.58 | Sevet_ | !tell moxie about installer firmware |
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| 15:30.35 | moxie | ok just looking for the file for 7.1 |
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| 15:31.45 | moxie | ah, thanks |
| 15:31.55 | moxie | i guess ill burn yet another cd :) |
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| 15:45.42 | bin_bash | when I do locale, all locales show as POSIX, but in /etc/default/locale it says LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 15:45.47 | bin_bash | any idea how to fix this? |
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| 15:50.49 | Glorf | Hi |
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| 15:50.58 | SirLagz | hi |
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| 15:51.20 | SirLagz | bin_bash, export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 15:51.39 | Glorf | i'm trying to do a good SPF record for my mail server |
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| 15:52.01 | Glorf | i found this page : http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax but i don't really see what i need to do. any good tutorial ? |
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| 15:54.36 | bin_bash | thanks SirLagz |
| 15:54.53 | SirLagz | bin_bash, np |
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| 15:56.58 | Sevet_ | glorf: for servers serving user@yourmail.com set up TXT and SPF DNS records for yourmail.com, the values of which you build as per that page |
| 15:57.46 | Sevet_ | something like "v=spf1 mx -all" is probably enough. that says to allow the mx servers for the domain and disallow anything else. |
| 15:58.17 | Glorf | i'm using "v=spf1 ip4:82.226.176.84 ip6:2a01:e35:2e2b:540:2c0:9fff:fe93:adaf -all" |
| 15:58.58 | Glorf | will try yours, thx |
| 16:00.15 | Sevet_ | ip4/ip6'll work too if you want static ips, but you need to include the prefix length |
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| 16:01.30 | Sevet_ | Glorf: actually you won't if they're the specific ips, that'll be ok... |
| 16:02.04 | Sevet_ | remember you need to include all the mail servers that might send for the domain though |
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| 16:05.35 | SudoAptitude | What is the best way to secure websites from other (vulnerable) websites running on the same webserver (e.g. apache / nginx)? |
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| 16:06.24 | Sevet_ | SudoAptitude: remove the other websites ;) |
| 16:06.53 | achadwick | I was going to suggest moving them to another box. But Sevet_ speaks wisdom. |
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| 16:07.02 | SudoAptitude | haha! I will say that to my boss right away :D |
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| 16:08.33 | SudoAptitude | I've read something about launching them in virtualized sandboxes, but the server itself is a virtual machine so i am not sure about this aproach. |
| 16:08.47 | Roenie | or, how about using the same box, but having the critical website on its own interface / vlan? |
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| 16:09.04 | mt_server | SudoAptitude: its a good case for virutalization... if you have serious reason to be concerned and can't use virtualization, you can do something like only run scripts via cgi/fastcgi/etc with each website having different (restrictive) user permissions |
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| 16:10.08 | Roenie | stupid idea of mine |
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| 16:10.14 | Roenie | but you could use virtual machines |
| 16:10.18 | SudoAptitude | We have student projects running on the machines so there is a reason :D |
| 16:10.45 | SudoAptitude | Is virtualization on a virtual machine a good idea? I've heard it could cause performance issues |
| 16:10.59 | mt_server | i mean, there will definitely be a performance hit |
| 16:11.07 | Roenie | you'll need a beefy enough machine to run them |
| 16:11.15 | mt_server | but there's no technical reason not to |
| 16:11.29 | Sevet_ | SudoAptitude: what exactly are you concerned about? php etc? |
| 16:11.39 | Sevet_ | you could look at things like mod_suphp |
| 16:11.45 | Roenie | i hate virtualization because it's just such a pain in the butt |
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| 16:12.10 | SudoAptitude | MySQL injections, vulnerabilities that can execute commands.. the usual |
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| 16:12.20 | Roenie | but if you want multiple "machines" so that if one is compromised, the other is not necessarily compromised too, without investing double in hardware... |
| 16:12.26 | mt_server | the solution i was proposing using fcgi, etc would allow you to isolate php, etc from the apache process and also run as different users |
| 16:12.38 | SudoAptitude | that sounds neat |
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| 16:14.36 | SudoAptitude | does it matter in any way if I use apache or nginx? |
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| 16:15.31 | mt_server | SudoAptitude: no experience with nginx, but if it can run fastcgi or something similar, you could probably make it work |
| 16:15.42 | moxie | nginx++ |
| 16:15.52 | moxie | apt-get install php5-fpm nginx |
| 16:16.12 | daleus | I'll always +1 to nginx or lighttpd over crapache |
| 16:16.30 | moxie | apache is horribad |
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| 16:17.12 | ksk | use apache-itk if you want to seperate users in a shared-hosting like environmen |
| 16:17.13 | ksk | t |
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| 16:17.47 | daleus | Doesn't apply to us, although I did have to create a per-vhost logging 'plugin' in python so that lighttpd was still viable for us. |
| 16:18.10 | daleus | didn't matter though, gave us really decent control over logs. |
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| 16:19.55 | Debian[-_-] | hai |
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| 16:20.01 | Debian[-_-] | im Debian[-_-] |
| 16:20.05 | Debian[-_-] | o/ |
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| 16:20.23 | mt_server | oh man |
| 16:20.28 | BackEndCoder | . |
| 16:20.33 | Debian[-_-] | :\ |
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| 16:20.50 | BackEndCoder | i am trying to get the google-music-manager thing |
| 16:21.02 | BackEndCoder | but it wants a libc6 version thats on sid |
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| 16:21.11 | Debian[-_-] | omfg i h8 libc |
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| 16:21.27 | moxie | boycott google |
| 16:21.31 | Debian[-_-] | y |
| 16:21.35 | Debian[-_-] | dafuq |
| 16:21.38 | Debian[-_-] | did google do |
| 16:21.39 | BackEndCoder | do i, install the latest 'unstable' version of libc and risk other programs not running |
| 16:21.42 | BackEndCoder | or do without my music |
| 16:21.55 | Debian[-_-] | dood u need to stop stealing music |
| 16:22.01 | moxie | who in their right mind would trust google with anything |
| 16:22.03 | Debian[-_-] | also u need to stop listening to CRAP |
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| 16:22.10 | moxie | yes |
| 16:22.16 | BackEndCoder | my mp3 collection is all classical music |
| 16:22.19 | themill | Debian[-_-]: do you have a user support question we can help you with? |
| 16:22.30 | mt_server | chuckles |
| 16:22.31 | BackEndCoder | o right, crap.. yeah you are right |
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| 16:22.34 | Debian[-_-] | does any of these people? |
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| 16:22.40 | Debian[-_-] | y u single me out fag |
| 16:22.41 | moxie | BackEndCoder, is it free?? |
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| 16:23.00 | BackEndCoder | I could see that coming |
| 16:23.04 | BackEndCoder | it must be a hot day |
| 16:23.07 | daleus | You should have used the reason "#ubuntu is that way --->" |
| 16:23.10 | moxie | BackEndCoder, why use google music manager or some junk |
| 16:23.21 | BackEndCoder | i like being about to listen to my music on my phone |
| 16:23.22 | moxie | BackEndCoder, you can use like ampache or owncloud? |
| 16:23.33 | SudoAptitude | I will just create two test machines and try nginx and apache on them :) I'll see what "feels" better |
| 16:23.34 | BackEndCoder | interesting, i will check these out |
| 16:23.37 | moxie | HTML5? |
| 16:23.41 | BackEndCoder | i didn't notice google didn't do my .wma files |
| 16:23.57 | moxie | hmm...wma, convert them |
| 16:23.59 | daleus | .wma files still exist?, unlucky pal! |
| 16:24.05 | BackEndCoder | it was more about the player |
| 16:24.16 | BackEndCoder | some of my older albums are still on .wma yeah :s |
| 16:24.27 | moxie | hey is your music in public domain? |
| 16:24.33 | BackEndCoder | probably not |
| 16:24.38 | moxie | booo |
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| 16:25.05 | moxie | BackEndCoder, you know if you have a decent phone you can just load an m3u file off nginx |
| 16:25.07 | abrotman | why would you trust your music to owncloud ? |
| 16:25.09 | moxie | and stream your music like that |
| 16:25.22 | BackEndCoder | i tried to make all my financial and personal information open source.. but there wasn't enough bandwidth :) |
| 16:25.32 | moxie | because...its your owncloud running on your own server? |
| 16:25.44 | abrotman | defeats the purpose of 'clould' |
| 16:25.44 | BackEndCoder | that is a cool idea.. i have icecast and i could play with that |
| 16:25.58 | BackEndCoder | but but but.. a lot of my tracks are 320kbps.. and i don't have the upload for it |
| 16:26.07 | moxie | its just a word |
| 16:26.07 | SudoAptitude | in my experiance owncloud was too bugged to use |
| 16:26.07 | daleus | off-site it? |
| 16:26.15 | Sevet_ | abrotman: depends on the availability of your server |
| 16:26.18 | BackEndCoder | i tried streaming via samba music, and it couldn't handle it |
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| 16:26.23 | abrotman | Sevet_: right, use google :) |
| 16:26.27 | moxie | BackEndCoder, ok |
| 16:26.40 | abrotman | if they're dumb enough to hosgt all of my legally acquired music .. that's their problem |
| 16:26.57 | BackEndCoder | moxie, i will have to check out 'owncloud' thanks |
| 16:27.07 | SudoAptitude | one day my owncloud-client decided to create endless "conflicting"-copies of all my uploaded files. it was a huge mess... |
| 16:27.10 | BackEndCoder | or just upload it all to a server somewhere |
| 16:27.23 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: like google? :) |
| 16:27.28 | BackEndCoder | hehehe |
| 16:27.38 | BackEndCoder | if this owncloud-client is nice |
| 16:27.41 | BackEndCoder | i will give it a go |
| 16:27.49 | abrotman | you still need your own server, and your own music client, etc .. |
| 16:27.49 | moxie | software does have bugs sometimes |
| 16:27.54 | BackEndCoder | my phone is old now, its probably not compaterble with the new droid stuff out there |
| 16:28.01 | mt_server | abrotman: its worth saying they are adding to your personality profile |
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| 16:28.06 | mt_server | or whatever you want to cakk it |
| 16:28.09 | mt_server | call, even |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: mine is Android 2.3, runs gmusic jsut fine |
| 16:28.28 | BackEndCoder | i heard about gmusic, it was that hacked version right ? |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | mt_server: that's fine .. they can sell my music preferenes to someone .. i still don't have to buy it |
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| 16:28.45 | moxie | you can also setup icecast and liquidsoap and use PHP to request albums |
| 16:28.53 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: i was saying gmusic to shorten googlemusic |
| 16:29.00 | moxie | :) |
| 16:29.01 | BackEndCoder | liquidsoap seems to be the missing link |
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| 16:29.22 | mt_server | abrotman: the larger privacy concern is your music preferences + your searches + your gps data + your call metadata |
| 16:29.33 | mt_server | but yeah, whatever, if you don't care |
| 16:29.42 | abrotman | mt_server: you act like i call anyone? |
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| 16:29.54 | BackEndCoder | aboman, o fair, there was an unoffical google music client knocking about. I was trying to access my google music cloud files without the client, say, with winamp |
| 16:29.58 | abrotman | mt_server: is it any better if it's my gov't or my provider? |
| 16:29.59 | BackEndCoder | but i didn't get very far |
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| 16:30.15 | mt_server | both pretty scary imho |
| 16:30.19 | BackEndCoder | putting all my files on a server, with a samba share does solve this problem tho |
| 16:30.23 | mt_server | but people need to care to make it any better |
| 16:30.35 | abrotman | and the gov't could just seize your server in the datacenter .. |
| 16:30.38 | BackEndCoder | thanks guys |
| 16:30.41 | moxie | best to boycott all the major corporations, kthx |
| 16:30.53 | abrotman | goes back to scaring the kittens |
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| 16:30.58 | mt_server | encryption is my friend |
| 16:31.14 | BackEndCoder | just blame someone else |
| 16:31.14 | abrotman | they have forever ... |
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| 16:31.30 | daleus | Also, have you tried mounting ssh folders directly? encrypted transport then too, you can even use smb over ssh if you 100% need samba |
| 16:31.40 | moxie | boycott all in-q-tel corps |
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| 16:31.49 | daleus | back later. |
| 16:32.00 | abrotman | like the ones that are transporting your bits over the internet .. |
| 16:32.13 | abrotman | moves himself to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:32.17 | moxie | use end to end encryption |
| 16:32.26 | BackEndCoder | the main problem with the samba shares.. was cause i run cm7 on my phone. i can't use openvpn or the sshtunnel anymore |
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| 16:32.34 | abrotman | feel free to join me in #debian-offtopic :) |
| 16:32.43 | BackEndCoder | so the private extranet vpn was inaccesable from the phone via 3g |
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| 16:33.01 | moxie | CM7? |
| 16:33.34 | BackEndCoder | firmware for droids for extra stuff isn't of standard version etc |
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| 16:45.42 | M-16 | hello |
| 16:45.51 | moxie | herrow preaz |
| 16:46.24 | M-16 | is the first debian7.1 DVD enough for a working system with a DE? |
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| 16:46.41 | Sevet_ | M-16: yes |
| 16:47.09 | moxie | i love debian |
| 16:47.09 | M-16 | Sevet_, ok ty, and you know wich DE is (are) in it? |
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| 16:47.46 | babilen | M-16: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 16:47.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell M-16 about cd content |
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| 16:48.20 | M-16 | babilen, yes, but i don't wat to use the net install, i want install everything from some local media |
| 16:48.34 | Roenie | dpkg: tell Roenie about cd content |
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| 16:49.32 | babilen | M-16: Fair enough - You should be fine with DVD1 in that case for Gnome, KDE, XFCE and LXDE. Note that you might have to provide firmware during the installation. See <installer firmware> for help with that (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
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| 16:49.58 | moxie | whast the difference between virtualbox and virtualbox-ose |
| 16:50.00 | moxie | on debian |
| 16:50.03 | Roenie | i'm really enjoying i3 :) |
| 16:50.08 | M-16 | babilen, ok ty |
| 16:50.13 | babilen | M-16: You essentially download the firmware file from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to a USB stick. |
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| 16:51.28 | babilen | Roenie: You can "/msg dpkg FOO" directly - There is no need to ask it here in the channel. I would recommend to read "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" and http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ to learn about our bots, dpkg and judd, over here. |
| 16:51.46 | babilen | Roenie: heresy! (awesome is much better) ;) |
| 16:52.12 | moxie | what is the animal name for debian 7.1 |
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| 16:52.43 | SirLagz | moxie, Debian doesn't use animal names. That's Ubuntu |
| 16:52.53 | moxie | oh |
| 16:52.57 | moxie | wheezy walrus, got it |
| 16:52.59 | babilen | moxie: The nickname of the release is "wheezy" and is one of the toy story characters |
| 16:53.18 | moxie | thanks, i scrolled left int he topic.... |
| 16:53.28 | babilen | moxie: No, it has *nothing* to do with walrus and we have a different naming scheme than Ubuntu's alliterations. |
| 16:53.32 | moxie | hard to remember if wheezy was from 1990 or recent |
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| 16:54.39 | moxie | got my answer from the dpkg bot |
| 16:55.16 | babilen | dpkg: botsnack |
| 16:55.16 | dpkg | babilen: thanks |
| 16:56.30 | moxie | hmm does virtualbox always install X11 ? |
| 16:56.40 | moxie | dont need that trash |
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| 16:57.46 | Sevet_ | moxie: client or server? |
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| 16:58.00 | moxie | server i assume |
| 16:58.01 | riceandbeans | why is exim default? |
| 16:58.10 | riceandbeans | and is it true that dma is set to replace it in jessie? |
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| 16:58.55 | Sevet_ | moxie: it won't install server, it'll install libx11 (client) but it's not very large |
| 16:59.03 | moxie | ok great |
| 16:59.11 | moxie | thanks |
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| 16:59.51 | Sevet_ | there's a sdl gui in the virtualbox package, it'll be for that (it's not split into its own package) |
| 17:00.18 | babilen | moxie: If you want to run a server you really should look into kvm and libvirt |
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| 17:00.32 | moxie | i did |
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| 17:00.55 | moxie | vbox looks better |
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| 17:01.09 | babilen | riceandbeans: because: "why not?" and no decision regarding default mta in jessie (if we were to switch at all) has been taken that. Check debian-devel archives for relevant discussions |
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| 17:01.55 | riceandbeans | babilen: well, I mean preference aside, is there no reason that debian has stood by exim, it's just a coin toss? there's no official reason? |
| 17:02.21 | babilen | moxie: I found vbox to be much more tailored towards "user wants to run windows to play ..." and am personally quite happily running VMs on KVM, but then I haven't evaluated vbox in that context. Just my impression. |
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| 17:02.35 | riceandbeans | I'm not complaining, I prefer exim, having used debian since 3.0, but I've never been aware of an actual reason why the project has chosen that MTA |
| 17:02.56 | moxie | babilen, im using it for networking |
| 17:03.03 | riceandbeans | babilen: vbox on linux uses kvm for some things |
| 17:03.06 | babilen | riceandbeans: There were long discussions back then and in the end a decision had to be made and exim4 was as good a choice as postfix. Both are supported and you can easily just install whatever MTA you want. |
| 17:03.45 | riceandbeans | babilen: I know I can use what I want and I'm not saying that it's not as good as postfix, I was just wondering what the deciding factor(s) ended up being |
| 17:03.51 | moxie | i could use kvm, but virtualbox has more features |
| 17:04.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell riceandbeans about mta comparison |
| 17:04.23 | babilen | riceandbeans: If you can't find it I can quite easily dig up the corresponding debian-devel thread |
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| 17:05.25 | riceandbeans | moxie: if you use vbox you're using kvm on linux on the backend for some parts |
| 17:05.35 | moxie | good |
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| 17:06.06 | riceandbeans | moxie: using something like qemu will be more work but arguably gives you more control of how things go |
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| 17:06.21 | riceandbeans | babilen: is right in that vbox is kind of....aimed at windows users |
| 17:06.23 | moxie | i dont want more control |
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| 17:06.42 | moxie | already have enough complexity |
| 17:06.45 | riceandbeans | if you want a simple pretty interface that does everything for you out of the box with more overhead, vbox is fine |
| 17:06.54 | moxie | im using VBoxManage |
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| 17:07.32 | moxie | ive used qemu and kqemu before....decades ago |
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| 17:07.45 | riceandbeans | moxie: they've made large strides since that era |
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| 17:16.19 | lfs | What do I load to get Java working on web browser? |
| 17:16.38 | converge | I have a VPS, and I need to setup a dns server, what is the best way to do it in debian ? |
| 17:16.52 | voytek | lfs: icedtea-plugin |
| 17:16.52 | Guest64027 | What do I load to get Java working on web browser? |
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| 17:17.31 | ImaLamer | converge: you have many DNS options - bind9 is a good place to start |
| 17:17.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest64027 -about install java |
| 17:17.50 | converge | ImaLamer: is it the easier ? |
| 17:17.56 | babilen | Guest64027: And voytek already pointed you to the correct package |
| 17:18.02 | ImaLamer | converge: are you supplementing the VPS services DNS (asking because if they have one it's prob best to use theirs0 |
| 17:18.27 | converge | ImaLamer: they havent, unfortunately |
| 17:18.32 | ImaLamer | converge: bind is not always the easiest, no - but there is ample documentation to guide you in almost any setup |
| 17:19.30 | ImaLamer | converge: if you are going for a straightforward setup, no slave servers, etc - you should find it to be straight forward for the most part |
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| 17:20.32 | converge | ImaLamer: I wish to focus on development, maybe I can find some free dns services |
| 17:21.03 | ImaLamer | converge: free DNS is out there, afraid is a service, though I think they get DDoS'd a lot |
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| 17:21.24 | ImaLamer | converge: take a look over http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
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| 17:25.11 | Guest64027 | Is Squeeze stable? |
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| 17:25.26 | grothend1eck | squeeze is old-stable |
| 17:25.29 | grothend1eck | wheezy is stable |
| 17:25.59 | Guest64027 | I guess I am behine |
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| 17:26.25 | grothend1eck | dpkg: tell Guest64027 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:30.03 | Guest64027 | Iced tea worked just fine. THANK YOU!!!!!! |
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| 17:37.18 | macroevolve | Hi - i'm new to linux - i used CTRL+W to search for text in nano. If I hit CTRL+W again, it will have the same search stored. How would I do a new search for something else without having leave nano and come back? |
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| 17:44.08 | voytek | macroevolve: if you just type your new query the second time, it should search for that instead |
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| 17:44.12 | ImaLamer | just retype it |
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| 18:03.40 | moxie | is there a recommended way to install virtualbox 4.2 on debian? 4.1 is in apt... |
| 18:04.17 | voytek | 4.2 is in testing |
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| 18:04.33 | morsik | hi |
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| 18:04.40 | cITs | hi, i think i encountered a bug in the latest icedove build |
| 18:04.47 | morsik | erm guys... i's blind, or debian installer doesn't have apt and dpkg?! |
| 18:05.35 | cITs | i can't get the self signed cert from my server to establish an encrypted connection. |
| 18:05.46 | ImaLamer | morsik: apt-get should come with any debian install |
| 18:06.05 | morsik | ImaLamer: i'm telling about debian installer |
| 18:06.07 | morsik | not installed system |
| 18:06.25 | morsik | i want to install debian on zfs, so i need to install zfs package while i'm in installer |
| 18:06.27 | moxie | voytek, ok how can i enable that? |
| 18:06.36 | morsik | then i wanted to skip 'Partitioning' step in installer |
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| 18:06.47 | morsik | mount zfs volume to correct path |
| 18:07.01 | morsik | and then continue installer with step next to Partitioning |
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| 18:08.21 | voytek | morsik you might want to look at the freebsd version of debian... iirc it has native zfs support |
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| 18:08.46 | morsik | voytek: if i want to install freebsd, i would install FreeBSD. |
| 18:08.53 | morsik | I'm installing Debian becasue i want Linux... |
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| 18:09.06 | cITs | morsik: then don't use a bsd fs |
| 18:09.10 | cITs | easy as that |
| 18:09.12 | voytek | morsik: there's a version of debian with the freebsd kernel and the linux userspace |
| 18:09.14 | morsik | ... |
| 18:09.46 | morsik | cITs: actually this is Solaris fs ;x |
| 18:10.04 | moxie | install Dilos! |
| 18:10.05 | cITs | morsik: well by bsd i ment unix |
| 18:10.11 | voytek | moxie: change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing instead of wheezy, install virtualbox, then change it back |
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| 18:10.25 | cITs | morsik: you could try building it yourself |
| 18:10.31 | moxie | voytek, ok |
| 18:10.35 | cITs | over in #gentoo should be the linux porter iirc |
| 18:10.35 | morsik | cITs: installer? |
| 18:10.37 | morsik | ;< |
| 18:11.08 | morsik | cITs: so well... does brtfs is stable? |
| 18:11.10 | morsik | i don't think so :< |
| 18:11.14 | morsik | s/does/is/ |
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| 18:11.28 | cITs | morsik: dunno, don't care |
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| 18:11.40 | cITs | it is nowhere close to zfs |
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| 18:14.25 | morsik | hmm, let's make chance to brtfs |
| 18:14.29 | morsik | maybe i'll not fuck up :D |
| 18:15.08 | ImaLamer | morsik: are you using these FS's for the eff of it? |
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| 18:15.17 | ImaLamer | 'because you can'? |
| 18:15.21 | morsik | ImaLamer: 'eff'? |
| 18:15.34 | ImaLamer | morsik: hell of it even |
| 18:15.36 | morsik | snapshots are interesting, and i would like to test albo compression and dedup |
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| 18:16.15 | cITs | morsik: on what system did you intend to run it? |
| 18:16.24 | morsik | Linux. |
| 18:16.27 | cITs | no |
| 18:16.28 | cITs | hardware |
| 18:16.30 | cITs | what hardware |
| 18:16.40 | ImaLamer | morsik: just curious, it's free as in freedom - have fun :D |
| 18:17.05 | morsik | ah, laptop, i7-3610QM, 12G ram, Intel SSD |
| 18:17.19 | cITs | ImaLamer: if it were then there would be no problem with including it to the linux kernel |
| 18:17.27 | morsik | and HDD 750G too |
| 18:17.44 | morsik | but maybe later. |
| 18:17.54 | morsik | ssd is first, just got one, and installing new system on it |
| 18:18.15 | cITs | morsik: i see no actual benefit to run it on a laptop, then again i don't know much about it |
| 18:18.24 | ImaLamer | i mean, he's free to endeavor in his pursuits... including later putting whatever closed code he likes on his machine |
| 18:18.34 | cITs | ohh |
| 18:18.37 | cITs | that of course is true |
| 18:19.39 | cITs | so ... back to my problem ... can anyone confirm issues with self generated ssl certs on the current icedove build? |
| 18:20.03 | stqism | cITs: What version of debian? |
| 18:20.13 | ImaLamer | did it work prior to this build? |
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| 18:20.23 | cITs | 7.1 |
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| 18:20.35 | cITs | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 18:20.44 | voytek | cITs: i can confirm thunderbird has no problems with them |
| 18:20.52 | cITs | ImaLamer: i have no idea, this is a fresh install |
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| 18:21.26 | moxie | https://startpage.com/do/search?q=icedove+self-signed+certificate |
| 18:21.37 | ImaLamer | seen this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703587 ?? |
| 18:21.37 | cITs | voytek: well the ssl cert is never offered to me |
| 18:21.41 | cITs | ergo the following error |
| 18:21.43 | cITs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.03 | ImaLamer | is it signed with MD5? |
| 18:23.16 | cITs | lol, dunno have to look |
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| 18:23.28 | ImaLamer | seems that has caused issues in late builds |
| 18:23.42 | ImaLamer | but reports are out there to check against |
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| 18:25.35 | cITs | ImaLamer: tbh i have no idea how to check with what parameters it was generate |
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| 18:27.04 | cITs | though i don't think i used md5 since i avoid because of possible collisions |
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| 18:36.54 | moxie | anyone here run FULL debian testing? |
| 18:36.59 | cITs | nope not md5 signed |
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| 18:38.34 | BackEndCoder | er.. so i have mounted a samba share ok |
| 18:38.38 | BackEndCoder | and i can access it ok with root |
| 18:39.00 | BackEndCoder | i need my normal 'steve' user to beable to access it with write permisisons as the remote user its logged in as |
| 18:39.02 | socomm | BackEndCoder: check your mount options |
| 18:39.19 | moxie | startpage it |
| 18:39.26 | BackEndCoder | how can i view these options |
| 18:39.29 | moxie | thats what i do everytime i setup cifs/samba mount |
| 18:39.38 | moxie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.52 | BackEndCoder | o havn't got to the stage of using fstab yet |
| 18:40.01 | BackEndCoder | i don't need to add 'steve' into a group ? |
| 18:40.04 | moxie | you add like umask=770 or something weeird |
| 18:40.23 | socomm | 'startpage it' |
| 18:40.23 | BackEndCoder | its important that it saves the files as the remote user its logged in as |
| 18:40.26 | moxie | depends if the mount point has a group maybe? |
| 18:40.30 | socomm | oh sweet lord ...... |
| 18:40.49 | BackEndCoder | drwxr-x--x 7 1016 1005 0 Jun 12 11:46 new.guestlist.net |
| 18:40.51 | BackEndCoder | thats my mount |
| 18:41.04 | BackEndCoder | but these users and groups don't exsist on my machine |
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| 18:41.39 | jordanm | BackEndCoder, you can give it a uid and gid mount options to force it |
| 18:41.40 | moxie | how did you create that directory |
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| 18:41.50 | jordanm | personally, I would just use nautilus to access it |
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| 18:42.00 | jordanm | or w/e your DE provides |
| 18:42.02 | BackEndCoder | i used mount cifs |
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| 18:42.29 | BackEndCoder | it has to be a mounted directory so i can use it with my editor |
| 18:42.42 | socomm | http://www.thetechrepo.com/main-articles/535 |
| 18:42.44 | socomm | BackEndCoder: ^ |
| 18:42.46 | BackEndCoder | an smb:// address isn't cool |
| 18:42.47 | BackEndCoder | thanks |
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| 18:43.33 | moxie | socomm, you like startpage huh |
| 18:43.40 | moxie | :D |
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| 18:44.19 | socomm | moxie: in my opinion its for, how can I put it politely |
| 18:44.45 | moxie | people who dont use duck duck go? |
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| 18:45.07 | socomm | that wasn't quite the word I was looking for |
| 18:45.13 | folivora | Hello, I have a problem with Logitech Anywhere MX |
| 18:45.29 | folivora | seems that it regonices the unified receiver but mouse wont work |
| 18:45.29 | moxie | smart people |
| 18:45.36 | folivora | anyone got any solution for this problem |
| 18:45.56 | folivora | seems that there has been some bug-reports about similar issues |
| 18:46.04 | socomm | 'smart people', hahah, thanks I needed a larf |
| 18:46.05 | folivora | but I havent founded any solution |
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| 18:47.10 | BackEndCoder | File mode 664 means that the owner and members of the group can read and write while others can only read <-- so i still need to add 'steve' to a group that doesn't exsist on my local machine ? |
| 18:47.13 | moxie | socomm, who uses google? dumb people |
| 18:47.43 | socomm | moxie: grow up |
| 18:47.44 | moxie | and theres a lot of them |
| 18:47.49 | moxie | look up the average IQ |
| 18:47.56 | moxie | i rest my case |
| 18:48.04 | socomm | moxie: good job |
| 18:48.06 | voytek | sigh |
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| 18:49.10 | socomm | Read (4), Write (2), Execute (1) |
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| 18:49.40 | moxie | socomm, good job |
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| 18:50.23 | socomm | BackEndCoder you may need to modify 'steve's group or change your permissions |
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| 18:50.54 | BackEndCoder | baah, it didn't work on boot |
| 18:50.59 | BackEndCoder | sadface |
| 18:51.30 | moxie | add the auto option |
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| 18:53.24 | BackEndCoder | right |
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| 18:53.57 | BackEndCoder | o dear, i can't load my /mnt folder contents |
| 18:54.00 | BackEndCoder | i broke it |
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| 18:55.28 | BackEndCoder | ok, maybe not |
| 18:55.37 | BackEndCoder | so i still get perm denied for 'steve' |
| 18:55.44 | BackEndCoder | but it did mount on boot |
| 18:55.51 | BackEndCoder | so i guess i need to add steve into a group |
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| 18:55.59 | BackEndCoder | or my virual user into a steve group ?? |
| 18:57.09 | voytek | i missed the beginning of this discussion, but if it is what it sounds like, often times externel drives used on multiple systems will behave nicely only if both the user name and the uid match |
| 18:57.17 | voytek | or something like that |
| 18:58.15 | BackEndCoder | yeah basicly, steve isn't the user thats trying to connect to the remote system |
| 18:58.23 | BackEndCoder | so i need to 'allow it' |
| 18:58.28 | BackEndCoder | just not clear on how |
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| 18:58.45 | voytek | oh, ok, nevermind then, what i said is probably not related |
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| 19:03.26 | BackEndCoder | ok maybe this will help with something i missed |
| 19:03.27 | BackEndCoder | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/527432199 |
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| 19:06.30 | moxie | your try umask=000 |
| 19:06.37 | wald0 | what is the difference between sysklogd and rsyslog ? |
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| 19:08.15 | moxie | rsyslog has more features |
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| 19:08.37 | moxie | and more modern |
| 19:08.41 | moxie | who cares, use rsyslog :D |
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| 19:09.11 | Sevet_ | 2 different projects doing the same thing |
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| 19:11.44 | BackEndCoder | You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "new.guestlist.net". |
| 19:11.51 | BackEndCoder | that was a remount using umask=000 |
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| 19:12.28 | BackEndCoder | ok wait ... |
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| 19:12.36 | BackEndCoder | the group of this remote dir is 1005 |
| 19:12.46 | BackEndCoder | so maybe i should add a group and put 'steve' in it |
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| 19:13.03 | BackEndCoder | but that doesn't seem right |
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| 19:15.45 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 19:15.59 | Th0masR0ss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.18 | TheWarden | I'm trying to figure out how to install jre. I've downloaded the achieve from java.com for Linux 64-bit. I extracted it to /opt/java-oracle. |
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| 19:16.47 | Gerben | you want to use it as your default JRE? |
| 19:16.52 | TheWarden | I then did update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /opt/java-oracle/jre1.7.0_25/bin/java 20000 |
| 19:16.58 | TheWarden | yes |
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| 19:17.19 | TheWarden | however when I try to go java -version I get "-bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file" |
| 19:17.25 | TheWarden | what am I missing here? |
| 19:17.26 | Gerben | ah |
| 19:17.37 | BackEndCoder | ok, so unless i want to run my editor as root (and i don't) its not going to happen |
| 19:17.43 | Gerben | I guess you have a 32bit jre on 64bit, or the other way around |
| 19:19.17 | Gerben | I *think* you could do 'file /opt/java-oracle/jre1.7.0_25/bin/java' and get the answer to that |
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| 19:21.32 | BackEndCoder | ok, after all this, this is linux to linux.. i should be using nfs |
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| 19:22.08 | TheWarden | Gerben: yes I think that is it, I assumed 64-bit but looking now its 32-bit. |
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| 19:24.47 | TheWarden | mm I got 32bit JRE and it still says the same thing, java -version returns "-bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file". |
| 19:25.29 | TheWarden | if I do /opt/java-oracle/jre1.7.0_25/bin/java -version I get "-bash: /opt/java-oracle/jre1.7.0_25/bin/java: cannot execute binary file". |
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| 19:27.24 | TheWarden | what did I do wrong or miss to do? |
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| 19:31.15 | daveee123 | running latest stable debian. getting this error "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found" |
| 19:31.35 | daveee123 | anyway to fix that without messing everything up? sudo apt-get install gcc says everything is up to date |
| 19:32.02 | daveee123 | i am trying to run "./slic3r" |
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| 19:32.10 | daveee123 | in the appropriate folder |
| 19:32.12 | BackEndCoder | problem solved, uid= was rather important, setting 'steve' as the mount owner. |
| 19:32.21 | BackEndCoder | thanks for getting me into it guys |
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| 19:39.09 | jalalsfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.36 | mumpitzel | you can't. and the packages you mentioned are all virtual packages only |
| 19:39.59 | mumpitzel | do you really really need the 40MB harddisk space the other xorg servers take |
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| 20:09.15 | Gerben | TheWarden, please check the output of: file /usr/java/jre1.7.0_25/bin/java |
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| 20:10.31 | Gerben | TheWarden, also check http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 20:10.33 | TheWarden | Gerben: I believe I found the problem, its an issue with the soft-float and hard-float. I'm using hard-float which apparently is not support. so fixing that first then install java and see again. |
| 20:10.46 | Gerben | java is available in the non-free section of the repo |
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| 20:10.54 | bolt | so I'm in a network where I have to use a socks 5 proxy to "escape", and I am trying to use svn's http protocol over it. i use tsocks to stuff svn into the proxy. i can do "tsocks wget http://opkg.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/", and i can use svn with the svn:// protocol, but if I do "tsocks svn co http://opkg.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/", I get a long pause and then "Could not read status line: connection was closed by server". why doesn't svn go through the pro |
| 20:10.54 | bolt | xy? it's danted, btw. |
| 20:10.56 | TheWarden | this is on a raspberry pi. |
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| 20:11.33 | Gerben | TheWarden, I have no idea what "soft float" and "hard float" means. Do you mean hard/soft links? |
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| 20:14.17 | TheWarden | Gerben: in all honesty I have no idea really what it means. just going by what it says on the page, http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads. See soft-float. |
| 20:15.13 | TheWarden | soft-float abi |
| 20:15.20 | Sevet | floating point implemented in software or hardware |
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| 20:16.16 | TheWarden | there is some info here but not sure I really understand it, http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort. It has to do with Arm architecture. |
| 20:16.26 | notjames | I think my system logging has been broken since a dist-upgrade to wheezy. any ideas? |
| 20:16.28 | TheWarden | ohhh okay. |
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| 20:16.45 | Sevet | hardfloat is faster, but not all chips'll support it |
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| 20:18.49 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden, according to http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openjdk-6-jre Java is available on armhf. |
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| 20:20.59 | mumpitzel | thewanderer1: soft float=fpu is emulated in software. hard float=the cpu actually has a fpu |
| 20:21.21 | thewanderer1 | mumpitzel, ENICK? cause I know that :) |
| 20:21.33 | leftist_ | fpu wow does that bring back memores :D |
| 20:21.38 | mumpitzel | thewarden then |
| 20:21.54 | leftist_ | soft fpu i meant |
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| 20:41.54 | azonenberg | Hi, I'm having some issues building a debian package for gcc from source |
| 20:42.09 | azonenberg | I'm trying to make a cross compiler for arm-linux-gnueabihf that runs on x86_64-linux-gnu host |
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| 20:42.44 | azonenberg | Following the process at http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers#Build_and_install_GCC |
| 20:42.52 | azonenberg | when i run debian/rules control it does a bunch of stuff, then |
| 20:42.56 | azonenberg | debian/rules.conf:177: *** Recursive variable `LIBC_DEP' references itself (eventually). Stop. |
| 20:43.12 | aussa | hi, I have read online that debian testing does not have a netboot image, is that still true to this day? |
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| 20:56.34 | Rovanion | Is there anything that is purchusable in order to support Debian development? Government orgs can't make donations on their own. So if such an org has replaced a proprietary stack with a Debian-based stack - well is it possible to send some money Debians way? |
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| 20:59.48 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to block some keyboard keys (like ctrl or alt) while using xlock to lock the x11 screen? |
| 21:00.24 | ompaul | CTL ALT L ? |
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| 21:01.24 | atari314 | I mean, I launch xlock, it locks the screen as it should, tho I can still ctrl+alt+f1 and gain tty access. Do you know a wait to block it too? |
| 21:01.41 | atari314 | *way |
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| 21:05.27 | azonenberg | atari314: there should not be anything sensitive on the tty anyway |
| 21:05.36 | azonenberg | just a login prompt |
| 21:05.47 | azonenberg | that presumably an unauthorized user lacks credentials to |
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| 21:06.58 | atari314 | azonenberg, it returns me to the logged user that launcher the X11 |
| 21:07.11 | azonenberg | atari314: you mean the x session was launched from the command line? |
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| 21:07.33 | atari314 | azonenberg, yes sir, using startx |
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| 21:07.40 | azonenberg | Normally i use a desktop manager to launch the x sesison |
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| 21:07.42 | azonenberg | session* |
| 21:07.47 | azonenberg | and thus if i lock that, i'm good |
| 21:07.55 | azonenberg | if i am using raw tty's i'll just close them when i'm done |
| 21:08.06 | azonenberg | ok, here's an idea for you |
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| 21:08.10 | azonenberg | run startx in a screen session |
| 21:08.19 | azonenberg | once x starts, go back to that tty and detach |
| 21:08.30 | phy1729 | or lock the screen |
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| 21:08.43 | atari314 | can't I append a logout after startx? |
| 21:08.46 | azonenberg | That too |
| 21:08.50 | atari314 | something like startx & logout |
| 21:08.58 | azonenberg | Does startx block, though? |
| 21:08.59 | azonenberg | i forget |
| 21:09.16 | azonenberg | as in, will it return immediately or only when the x server quits? |
| 21:09.27 | phy1729 | the latter |
| 21:09.40 | azonenberg | So run in a screen sesison like i said |
| 21:10.00 | atari314 | ok, tyvm sir :) |
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| 21:10.41 | scarrz | debian ^^ |
| 21:10.41 | phy1729 | you could startx &; logout though |
| 21:10.50 | azonenberg | That would work |
| 21:10.51 | scarrz | hello |
| 21:11.10 | atari314 | phy1729, can I append it on the startx script itself? |
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| 21:11.43 | phy1729 | no because the shell has to fork it off |
| 21:12.09 | scarrz | I have a newb question: new install... debian 7.. 32 bit how do I use custom themes and icon sets? gnome classic... |
| 21:12.10 | atari314 | uhn |
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| 21:13.29 | atari314 | and if I launch startx &; logout then ctrl+alt+f2 then ctrl+alt+f1 that returns me to the tty1 without X, just a ctrl+c kills the X and gives me the shell, isn't it? |
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| 21:17.53 | atari314_ | phy1729, sadly it didn't work :( |
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| 21:18.50 | atari314_ | jumping from tty2 to tty1 and spamming ctrl+c kill the xserver and cancels the logout :/ |
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| 21:19.52 | phy1729 | yep seems the shell won't exit without all the jobs completed |
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| 21:20.42 | atari314_ | phy1729, can't I startx & sleep 5 && logout ? |
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| 21:20.54 | atari314_ | or that would break the x_session too? |
| 21:21.34 | phy1729 | the xsession has to be finished before the shell will logout it seems |
| 21:21.48 | phy1729 | so I'd just go with a screen session |
| 21:22.04 | atari314_ | yeah, well, tyvm for all the help :) |
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| 21:23.47 | ompaul | atari314_: I think your solution is xdm,kdm,gdm or something like that with a log off / shutdown preprogrammed |
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| 21:26.13 | atari314_ | ompaul, I'm trying to avoid that. Going to test this vlock to lock the tty (startx & vlock), let's see if it works :) |
| 21:26.22 | atari314_ | brb |
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| 21:30.33 | phy1729 | !tell guset about fr |
| 21:30.59 | atari314 | ompaul, phy1729, startx & vlock works, it's a bit dirty, but works :) |
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| 22:45.23 | xsamurai | I'm trying to setup raid 10 across 4 disks via preseed but I keep getting "no root filesystem specified error" , here is my preseed file http://pastebin.com/HGHk49Au , i've zero'd out the drives, verified the bios settings but im pretty sure its my preseed configuration |
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| 22:47.43 | koollman | xsamurai: I haven't read preseed in a long time, but is that configuration trying to use raid10 for /boot too ? |
| 22:48.08 | koollman | xsamurai: in this case, do not do that. raid1 for /boot , whatever you want for the rest |
| 22:48.50 | xsamurai | koollman: thanks , just out of curiosity why not ? |
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| 22:49.07 | xsamurai | I thought it was recommended to that for swap |
| 22:49.20 | xsamurai | to do |
| 22:49.42 | koollman | xsamurai: because the bootloader need to read this partition to find the kernel, and raid10 is usually not handled (or raid5, or anything but 'no raid, or raid1 which looks like no raid') |
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| 22:49.57 | xsamurai | makes sense, thanks |
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| 22:50.27 | xsamurai | would you know why im getting no root filesystem defined error ? |
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| 22:51.16 | koollman | xsamurai: that looks more like a boot configuration problem. somehow the grub configuration might be incomplete and lack a 'root=something' part on the kernel line |
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| 22:51.34 | xsamurai | k let me try fixing that first |
| 22:51.45 | petn-randall | I think newer versions of grub2 can boot off any type of mdadm RAID, and LVM. I'm too lazy to look that up, though. |
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| 23:40.02 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | I have a very strange question about booting with grub and debian,notice that my configuration is strange |
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| 23:40.05 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | is this the right channel |
| 23:40.13 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | or there is something like #grub = |
| 23:40.14 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | ? |
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| 23:45.18 | Gerben | Fire-Dragon-DoL, I don't have time now to answer your real question, but the answer to both of your current questions is yes |
| 23:45.37 | Gerben | and you can get a channel list using most IRC clients |
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