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| 00:06.42 | dep_ | What part of my system controls the brightness of the screen it change by it self :/ |
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| 00:19.18 | chomwitt | i've read that linux dont use the setuid on directories |
| 00:19.35 | chomwitt | ..but in wheezy it works1 |
| 00:21.46 | chomwitt | sorry, the setgid works on dirs, the setuid no |
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| 00:32.27 | Maple__ | wonders if debhelper is a bot |
| 00:32.48 | Maple__ | Question answered. Also, for the network installer ISO |
| 00:33.08 | Maple__ | does it assume that you'll install the appropriate drivers during the installation, or will it automatically attempt to uti |
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| 00:54.40 | mjessome | Hello. I've got a TP-Link TL-WN822N usb wifi adapter, which uses the rtl8192cu driver installed with the firmware-ralink package. Running on kernel 3.9.1-amd64. I have network-manager running, it is seeing the adapter, and connects to my router -- however I am not getting any internet connection, and cannot even ping my router (ping 192.168.1.1 says "Destination host unreachable"). Anyone that might be able to give me a hand with this? thanks. |
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| 00:56.54 | Warsumg | I'm a newbie to debian, but have you checked you are getting an IP from the router? Can you verify that the designated DNS servers are also correct? |
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| 00:57.37 | mjessome | Warsumg: I am getting an ip, 192.168.1.100, and my router does see that the machine is connected. |
| 00:58.25 | mjessome | DNS Servers on my router are also correct, because I am using that to chat and surf right now, from a different machine. |
| 00:58.39 | mjessome | I have no alternate DNS servers configured through networkmanager |
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| 01:00.21 | mjessome | actually... Maybe my router doesn't see it. This is odd. |
| 01:00.52 | Warsumg | I guess you could try pinging from the router or from this machine if it's in the same lan |
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| 01:08.57 | mjessome | well this is really unfortunate. |
| 01:09.03 | mjessome | Can't ping it from the router, can't ping out. |
| 01:09.13 | mjessome | though both ends see that there is a leased IP |
| 01:09.29 | mjessome | and I have a 91% signal quality, better than any other device I currently have connected. |
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| 01:22.21 | Owner | is there official documentation on setting serial console |
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| 01:56.18 | zykotick9 | mjessome: does the interface in question have an entry in /etc/networks/interfaces? 'cause if it does, that overrides N-M. thus the /etc/resolv.conf would come into play. |
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| 02:03.59 | Orii-pi | so anyone notice how the terminal doesnt have the background tab anymore in preferences? |
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| 02:09.09 | Arrowmaster | guessing you mean gnome-terminal? yeah its a completely different program from debian squeeze and debian wheezy |
| 02:09.27 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 02:09.28 | LLckfan | Is there a way to stop Shockwave Flash from crashing in Chrome? I have this happen on two different computer(different os (XP and 7) and brands(Copax(HP) and Gateway)) |
| 02:09.42 | Owner | how do i change the password on an encrypted volume |
| 02:10.25 | Orii-pi | it was transparent before....i mean just earlier..........who knows....ugh |
| 02:11.07 | Th0masR0ss | LLckfan: this isn't ##windows. |
| 02:11.41 | zaltekk | does anyone know how to install openjdk-7-jdk without pulling in x11? |
| 02:11.47 | zaltekk | i installed openjdk-7-jre-headless just fine |
| 02:11.53 | zaltekk | but i also want to be able to build |
| 02:12.10 | zaltekk | Owner: look at cryptsetup, it should have an option for adding and then removing keys |
| 02:12.12 | Orii-pi | what?? |
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| 02:12.37 | Orii-pi | with headless you should be able to build |
| 02:12.53 | zaltekk | it was the jre |
| 02:12.57 | zaltekk | i don't see a headless jdk |
| 02:12.57 | Arrowmaster | Owner: looks like you need to add a new key using cryptsetup luksAddKey then remove the old one using cryptsetup luksDelKey |
| 02:13.24 | zaltekk | it provides java, but not javac |
| 02:13.34 | Owner | thanks |
| 02:13.48 | Th0masR0ss | zaltekk: did you aptitude search? |
| 02:14.01 | zaltekk | Th0masR0ss: yes |
| 02:14.05 | Arrowmaster | Owner: oh theres a cryptsetup luksChangeKey |
| 02:14.11 | zaltekk | there isn't a -headless for the jdk |
| 02:14.22 | Orii-pi | java is such a pos |
| 02:14.26 | Orii-pi | i know what to tell you man |
| 02:14.32 | Orii-pi | that is above my knowledge |
| 02:14.35 | Orii-pi | patience i guess |
| 02:14.51 | Th0masR0ss | ,depends openjdk-7-JFK |
| 02:14.52 | judd | No package named 'openjdk-7-JFK' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 02:14.54 | Th0masR0ss | er |
| 02:15.01 | Th0masR0ss | Autocorrect lol |
| 02:15.05 | dvs | heh |
| 02:15.15 | Th0masR0ss | ,depends openjdk-7-jdk |
| 02:15.16 | judd | Package openjdk-7-jdk in wheezy/i386 -- depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u3-2.1.7-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 02:15.52 | Orii-pi | that is so dumb....just why |
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| 02:37.51 | Owner | ooh |
| 02:37.53 | SineTheCreator | hi all... how can i force-downgrade a package to a previous version using apt? |
| 02:37.59 | Owner | what is the correct way to do iptables script |
| 02:38.08 | SineTheCreator | i am getting screwed by the libcairo/font path bug in gimp on stable |
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| 04:40.53 | Lady_Aleena | I am downloading a fresh copy of Debian 7.1 to burn onto a DVD-R. I hope there are no errors on the 2nd disk. (I bought a package of new DVD-Rs today just for this.) |
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| 04:42.36 | martian67 | what is thje best way to make a package from make install |
| 04:42.43 | martian67 | checkinstall dosent seem to work anymore |
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| 04:53.24 | cyclick | I get very high CPU usage when I watch HTML5 videos, I have intel's i915 chipset, Debian Wheezy and a core i5... I see that the driver doesnt seem to have been updated in sid, what could I do? |
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| 04:56.51 | socomm | cyclick: stop watching HTML5 videos :^) |
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| 05:34.45 | SineTheCreator | ok... another issue found. i am trying to install flashplugin-nonfree from the stock non-free repo. it fails with "ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc" |
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| 05:35.16 | SineTheCreator | i read that i should try getting it from the debian-multimedia.org repo, but that no longer seems to exist (there is some russian motorcycle site or something there) |
| 05:35.17 | SineTheCreator | what do i do? |
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| 05:35.44 | SineTheCreator | ahh, it's deb-multimedia.org |
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| 06:25.03 | foubarre | Hello. I have wheezy/XFCE installed. I set it up to autologin, i have plymouth started with standard parameters. With all monitors except the one i used to install, debian reboots (cleanly) right when after logging. If i connect the right monitor, it works. If i put an other monitor, it reboots. Any idea? |
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| 06:42.13 | dorud1 | Is it technically possible that vpn be used as part of the system as proxies behavior? Not ride the entire Internet traffic: for instance: firefox under vpn , but Chrome and Pidgin will still be free |
| 06:42.13 | dorud1 | Generally Vpn works system-widely. I need it just for some special software |
| 06:42.14 | dorud1 | ? |
| 06:43.13 | cast | yes |
| 06:45.19 | dorud1 | cast: does it need a special software? |
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| 06:45.39 | dorud1 | or by gnome settings? |
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| 06:47.17 | cast | i'd do it via some sort of compartmentalization, say lxc, or openvz, or even something heavier wait like kvm |
| 06:47.25 | cast | weight* |
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| 06:48.33 | dorud1 | Isn't there a handy program? |
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| 06:48.54 | cast | perhaps, if not you could write one :) |
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| 06:59.03 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 07:03.47 | mcgreg | I have compiled kernel 3.11 from www.kernel.org / git , using oldconfig from debian kernel 3.10-1 - compilation went fine. when I boot I get such an error: http://picpaste.com/pics/boot_error-mGaRtIwj.1374217349.png |
| 07:04.03 | mcgreg | does anyone experienced something similiar? |
| 07:04.31 | mcgreg | all other debian (precompiled) kernel work just fine - it's just my self compiled stopped working |
| 07:06.17 | tralala | mcgreg, how did you compile the kernel? |
| 07:06.50 | tralala | did you use make-kpkg? |
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| 07:07.47 | tralala | !kernel handbook |
| 07:07.50 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/) - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 07:08.34 | mcgreg | make deb-pkg -j 9 |
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| 07:09.38 | mcgreg | it generated "linux-image-3.11.0-rc1+_3.11.0-rc1+-2_i386.deb" |
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| 07:12.51 | tralala | mcgreg, try booting with a root device by name (e.g. /dev/sda1) |
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| 07:14.01 | tralala | or maybe see what is the uuid from the busybox shell |
| 07:14.31 | mcgreg | tralala: I guess I need to add it to grub or /etc/fstab? I support the first |
| 07:15.12 | mcgreg | tralala: I can't, the shell doesnt work |
| 07:15.26 | tralala | try it from the grub prompt first - and only change the config files if it works |
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| 07:18.42 | mcgreg | so I need to add root=/dev/sda2 - in my case? |
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| 07:20.06 | mcgreg | ok, brb |
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| 07:24.30 | zeref | hi guys, I'm trying to upload a package to my ppa from my debian machine, when I try to dput i get a `precise' not in the codename group error |
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| 07:24.47 | mcgreg | tralala: didn't change much, after changing it to /dev/sda2 it tells me /dev/sda2 doesnt exist |
| 07:24.58 | king_slayer | Hello people, one question, the syslog rotate is no longer using sysklogd? (Debian 7) |
| 07:25.04 | Frank81 | hi can some one help me to get some package not managed by the package manager after install? |
| 07:25.14 | Frank81 | i mean i have a package installeds |
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| 07:25.28 | Frank81 | i need to keep it installed and need now to make the manager think its not installed |
| 07:25.28 | tralala | mcgreg, paste your /boot/config-3.11-whatever |
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| 07:26.44 | mcgreg | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/16998/ |
| 07:26.45 | vsync_ | Frank81: so to speak, you have another version of package x and you want dpkg not to accidentally install another version of it from its repos? |
| 07:27.02 | Frank81 | vsync_: totall wrong |
| 07:27.11 | Frank81 | i got a packeg in repo i need to get installed |
| 07:27.13 | babilen | zeref: Using what? And you probably want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 07:27.15 | Frank81 | but don't get old removed |
| 07:27.23 | Frank81 | need to re install over existing |
| 07:27.41 | Frank81 | i found out i need to search for /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 07:27.44 | Frank81 | any like that |
| 07:27.56 | vsync_ | i still don't quite get you |
| 07:28.15 | vsync_ | you have old version of x, you need to install a newer version of x or? |
| 07:28.33 | vsync_ | or wait |
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| 07:28.42 | vsync_ | now i got you. you need a total reinstall of something? |
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| 07:29.41 | babilen | zeref: And please provide the actual command and its output (use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net if necessary) |
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| 07:31.44 | tralala | mcgreg, and your grub.cfg? |
| 07:31.58 | d32oiursff | Howdy, is the nvidia kernel module broken with latest 3.10? |
| 07:32.06 | d32oiursff | what package to install to get mkinitcpio? |
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| 07:32.21 | Frank81 | hmmm |
| 07:32.28 | zeref | thanks babilen |
| 07:32.29 | Frank81 | i need nothing any more i can shoot my self |
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| 07:33.10 | vsync_ | Frank81: i don't understand though why you have to do it such a hard way |
| 07:33.15 | vsync_ | can't you just purge the old one |
| 07:33.33 | babilen | d32oiursff: I take it that you installed it following the official documentation on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and that you are now having problems to compile it against 3.10 in the DKMS step? Is that correct? Please also note that you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support |
| 07:33.34 | Frank81 | messed up some stuff |
| 07:33.40 | Frank81 | now i am dead |
| 07:33.41 | mcgreg | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/16999/ |
| 07:33.46 | Frank81 | i can now go the even more hard way |
| 07:33.54 | d32oiursff | babilen: I haven't got a browser right now |
| 07:33.54 | Frank81 | backuping and re initals whole server |
| 07:34.01 | Frank81 | i hate linux when it breaks |
| 07:34.03 | d32oiursff | babilen: thanks though |
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| 07:34.40 | Frank81 | this will take a week again and i don't know why always me |
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| 07:34.54 | Frank81 | why can't there simply be a a distribution that fits my needs |
| 07:35.00 | Frank81 | of running a fast webserver |
| 07:35.34 | d32oiursff | babilen: apparently I can't be on that channel |
| 07:35.56 | d32oiursff | oh, oftc |
| 07:37.18 | tralala | mcgreg, you config looks fine and you have initrd, yet the boot message suggests that block device/sata/tty support is missing from the kernel... I'm out of kernel-fu, sorry |
| 07:38.01 | mcgreg | tralala: still, thanks very much for your try and time |
| 07:38.14 | tralala | sure |
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| 07:39.25 | vsync_ | Frank81: i still don't understand why you had to do it in such a way, you could just purge the installed package and install it again? :x |
| 07:39.33 | vsync_ | but maybe something eludes me |
| 07:39.44 | Frank81 | vsync_: thats what i trying |
| 07:39.53 | Frank81 | but this don't works |
| 07:39.59 | Frank81 | so i simply need to shoot my self |
| 07:40.09 | Frank81 | but at present i can't find the bottle with the gas even |
| 07:40.15 | d32oiursff | uggh, trying to read the wiki in lynx in the linux console without KMS is pain |
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| 07:44.40 | mcgreg | from what I see and think is, the initrd must not be working right them.. I just checked "initrd.img-3.11.0-rc1+" - it surprisingly has a size of 133M (while initrd.img-3.10-1-686-pae is 12M) - I suppose there's the problem |
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| 07:48.37 | ikonia | Frank81: is this on ubuntu or debian ? |
| 07:49.19 | tralala | mcgreg, do you know how to unpack it and see what it's in there? also try generating it again with update-initramfs |
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| 07:50.06 | Aresilla | was having a conversation with my boyfriend.. |
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| 07:50.20 | Aresilla | realized the code names etc of debian packages.. |
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| 07:50.45 | Aresilla | And for a moment i wished so hard apt was named claw.. :( [ claw-get .. etc etc..] |
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| 07:50.53 | Aresilla | That's all i had to say.. |
| 07:51.30 | antihero | babilen: Hey, I followed the Wiki, and it seems like the compile step has an error: http://sprunge.us/eahg |
| 07:51.46 | ikonia | Frank81: is this ubuntu or debian / |
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| 07:53.17 | babilen | antihero: Thanks, let me take a look. But then my best suggestion so far is: Report the bug (if it hasn't yet) and use 3.9 for the time being. |
| 07:53.36 | babilen | antihero: You *do* have the kernel headers and all that installed though, don't you? |
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| 07:54.24 | babilen | looks like you do |
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| 07:54.42 | antihero | aye, the wiki has that step |
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| 07:56.26 | babilen | antihero: There is #717184, but that doesn't seem to be the same issue. I would report the bug and take it from there. I can't see anything obvious that you could do right now to remedy the situation easily |
| 07:56.28 | mcgreg | tralala: so far ark uncompressed it for me. the "image" it uncompressed in the first step in 306,5MB. unpacking that file gives me a well ... tree. |
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| 07:57.34 | owen1 | in order to use android sdk i need ia32-libs (http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html). how do i install it? |
| 07:57.42 | owen1 | (debian 7) |
| 07:57.43 | mcgreg | the 300MB lies within /lib/modules/3.11.0-rc1/kernel/ |
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| 07:58.26 | Frank81 | sudo dpkg --force-all -P package still can't remove the package |
| 07:58.40 | Frank81 | is there a more forcing switch? |
| 07:59.11 | Frank81 | there must be a switch for simply removing don't care for any errors or else |
| 07:59.22 | babilen | owen1: ia32-libs are no longer needed nor available on wheezy as you can install the necessary libraries directly. See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO for further information -- the ia32-libs packages should, however, be a metapackage right now that pulls in a plethora of 386 libraries, but you have to enable that architecture first. |
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| 08:00.21 | babilen | owen1: If the SDK still depends on ia32-libs their packaging (if they actually package anything, IIRC the SDK was just a tarball) would be buggy if it targets wheezy or recent Ubuntu releases |
| 08:00.24 | ikonia | Frank81: is this debian or ubuntu |
| 08:00.46 | Frank81 | this is debian |
| 08:00.51 | mcgreg | and update-initramfs -u still generated the 133M large initrd |
| 08:01.00 | Frank81 | don't you know dpkg? |
| 08:01.05 | Frank81 | its a package manager |
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| 08:01.15 | Frank81 | gets used by apitude |
| 08:01.18 | vsync_ | :D |
| 08:01.22 | Frank81 | you should google for it |
| 08:01.24 | ikonia | 08:48 < ikonia> Frank81: is this on ubuntu or debian ? |
| 08:01.24 | ikonia | 08:48 < Frank81> ubuntu |
| 08:01.34 | ikonia | Frank81: seems to be ubuntu just a few minutes ago |
| 08:01.40 | Frank81 | ikonia there are people out there they have more then one box |
| 08:01.44 | vsync_ | dpkg is used by both |
| 08:01.44 | dpkg | vsync_: i don't know |
| 08:01.45 | Frank81 | but thx for the info |
| 08:01.48 | Frank81 | try to keep that in mind |
| 08:01.58 | vsync_ | that was for ikonia |
| 08:02.06 | vsync_ | Frank81: what then |
| 08:02.16 | ikonia | Frank81: so you're having exactly the same problem at the same time with the same package provided by two repos that contain exactly the same problem |
| 08:02.19 | ikonia | bull |
| 08:02.31 | Frank81 | i think your trolling man |
| 08:02.36 | vsync_ | Frank81: who |
| 08:02.38 | Frank81 | plz stop trying to offend me |
| 08:02.51 | tralala | mcgreg, perhaps that's the problem. Maybe the initrd is too big to be loaded |
| 08:02.53 | ikonia | Frank81: let me guess, mysql-5-5 package again ? |
| 08:03.00 | Frank81 | i ask the question about a dpkg switch if you know the answer i would be realy happy if you can tell it to me |
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| 08:03.11 | Frank81 | if you can't its ok to no problem we have all our limits in knowleg |
| 08:03.23 | ikonia | Frank81: I offered to help you in ubuntu but you won't give any infomation |
| 08:03.24 | vsync_ | i for one am not trolling. However i can't scroll up since pgup is busted, and can't be bothered to fiddle with keymaps |
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| 08:03.38 | Frank81 | ikonia my question is not specific |
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| 08:03.53 | ikonia | Frank81: is this the same problem with mysql-server-5-5 you where having in ubuntu ? |
| 08:03.59 | Frank81 | i ask for a switch to simply remove a package and even force it when the package manager has problems removing it |
| 08:04.03 | RobHaz | ikonia: ssssst, dont talk about the commercial ubuntu! |
| 08:04.15 | Frank81 | like let me explain it in windows language so you can understand it |
| 08:04.16 | ikonia | Frank81: is it actually the same problem you're trying to resolve ? |
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| 08:04.23 | enleth | Hi there. I'm building a Live CD with live-build 2.x, it works fine building a squeeze-based image, but when I try to build a wheeze system, I get 404s on e.g. http://ftp.sk.debian.org wheezy/main i386 Packages - which is correct, no Packages file exists on the mirror, only Packages.gz and Packages.bz2. But how do I get apt to try compressed indexes? |
| 08:04.23 | mcgreg | tralala: well, it probably it. but the next question is now, why does it? the same system creates a 12M large initrd for 3.10-* - what decides that? that would be my next point to look for |
| 08:04.27 | Frank81 | in windows is a registry setting tracking all installed applications |
| 08:04.38 | Frank81 | there are registry settings for dpkg same |
| 08:04.41 | ikonia | Frank81: please stop trying to be clever with smart answers, it makes you look stupid |
| 08:04.44 | Frank81 | but probally flat text file |
| 08:04.54 | vsync_ | babilen: things are getting heated over here |
| 08:04.54 | ikonia | Frank81: is this the mysql-server-5-5 package you're having a problem removing, the same as you said in #ubuntu ? |
| 08:05.05 | tralala | mcgreg, /etc/initramfs-tools/, but I don't know much more |
| 08:05.24 | Frank81 | ikonia lets say its package hmmmm wait let me look i choose one for you |
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| 08:05.28 | Frank81 | maybe then the answer comes |
| 08:05.46 | ikonia | Frank81: lets not bother, it's clear you're trying to hide information and lie, so I'll leave you to it |
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| 08:06.31 | Frank81 | ikonia thats realy nice that would realy be more helpfull proball till some one arrives that knows more about package management then install and remove |
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| 08:06.44 | vsync_ | it'd help greatly if you'd tell us the reason why the pkg manager is having trouble removing the package |
| 08:06.56 | Frank81 | vsync_: mixed repos |
| 08:06.57 | ikonia | Frank81: I'm pretty confident with package managment, hence why I tried to help you in ubuntu before it became clear you are not telling the truth |
| 08:07.01 | Frank81 | thats the main problem |
| 08:07.01 | ikonia | Frank81: ahhh mixed repos !!! |
| 08:07.06 | Frank81 | now the repos are fixed again |
| 08:07.06 | ikonia | that's why the dependencies are screwed |
| 08:07.13 | ikonia | and that's what you wouldn't tell me |
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| 08:07.29 | ikonia | the quicker you're honest the easier it is to help / fix |
| 08:07.32 | vsync_ | heh |
| 08:07.32 | Frank81 | ikonia it makes simply no diffrence and i told it one hour befor |
| 08:07.36 | Frank81 | with a pastbin even |
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| 08:07.50 | ikonia | Frank81: you didn't say, or I wouldn't be trying to pull information from you |
| 08:08.22 | Frank81 | its ok for me at all i will start switching over and let this server die |
| 08:08.24 | ikonia | you didn't share a pastebin |
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| 08:08.31 | Frank81 | ikonia search you logs |
| 08:08.33 | Frank81 | in #ubuntu |
| 08:08.35 | ikonia | I just did |
| 08:08.37 | ikonia | you didn't share a pastebin |
| 08:08.40 | ikonia | or mention a repo |
| 08:08.52 | ikonia | just the mysql-server-5-5 package |
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| 08:09.13 | babilen | Frank81: Are you using a pure Debian box? Could you provide a link to a pastebin (e.g. http://paste.debian.net ) with the output of the commands you referenced before (e.g. the dpkg purge one) along with your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy PKG" for the packages in question please? |
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| 08:09.16 | Frank81 | http://pastebin.de/35412 |
| 08:09.36 | Frank81 | search for that line ikonia |
| 08:09.43 | Frank81 | if you don't got it you got a irc problem |
| 08:09.43 | ikonia | it's not there |
| 08:09.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Frank81 -about localised errors |
| 08:09.50 | Frank81 | then you got a problem not me |
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| 08:10.04 | babilen | Frank81: Please provide the output/information I requested - We can take it from there. |
| 08:10.08 | ikonia | Frank81: sure, my IRC may not have logs going back longer than 2 hours |
| 08:10.09 | enleth | I'll just ask a shorter question: why does apt try to download uncompressed Packages file from mirrors? debootstrapped wheezy, nothing fancy |
| 08:10.14 | vsync_ | Frank81: if you need help, i'd suggest you'd take on a different attitude :( |
| 08:10.32 | Frank81 | vsync the problem is i am realy don't know the english word |
| 08:10.36 | Frank81 | i simply could cry |
| 08:10.48 | ikonia | Frank81: don't worry about the language problem, that canbe worked through |
| 08:10.51 | Frank81 | and this 2 hours i asked for one line of code or a file name |
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| 08:10.54 | ikonia | you're smart attitude though, that won't help |
| 08:10.54 | Frank81 | don't make it better |
| 08:11.02 | Frank81 | i simply re install the boxes |
| 08:11.08 | Frank81 | what means round about 2 weeks |
| 08:11.08 | ikonia | ok problem solved |
| 08:11.12 | Frank81 | of no money and work |
| 08:11.13 | ikonia | re-install the boxes, case closed |
| 08:11.16 | Frank81 | and problem solved |
| 08:11.19 | ikonia | perfect, |
| 08:11.20 | babilen | Frank81: Lets drop this meta discussion. Please provide the output of all commands you referenced in the last thirty minutes plus the information I asked you about. |
| 08:11.26 | mcgreg | okay... the reason why the initrd is that big might be, because linux-image-3.11.0-rc1+_3.11.0-rc1+-2_i386.deb is "just" 570M ... usually it is 27-28MB here |
| 08:11.41 | mcgreg | wtf went wrong here |
| 08:12.15 | babilen | enleth: Which mirror is that and could you provide further information (e.g. output + commands?) |
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| 08:13.05 | owen1 | babilen: thanks! it's a tarball btw |
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| 08:14.56 | babilen | owen1: Yeah, I thought as much. You should be fine if you enable i386 (dpkg --add-architecture i386) and then install the necessary libraries. If you don't know which libraries that are you might have success in installing the ia32-libs package as that should pull in quite a number. |
| 08:15.20 | halt | Goog morning, I'm facing one issue for a while but I just get use to it and never botherd to find out why it is, but now I bored in it, so the issue is i always have to eval the ssh-agent , with eval $("ssh-agent") ... what im missing ? |
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| 08:17.43 | petn-randall | halt: Sorry, didn't quite understand your problem. You're concerned you have to eval the output of ssh-agent? That's like that by design, I think. |
| 08:18.24 | petn-randall | just having his morning coffee at a really ugly time of the day. |
| 08:18.56 | mcgreg | ok... it really getting very very weird. it looks like all the files in there are like 20x bigger than usually… |
| 08:19.05 | halt | petn-randall: i try to add my key to the keystore, with ssh-add and it can't see the ssh-agent, so i have to eval it to be able to use |
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| 08:20.23 | enleth | babilen: huh, false alarm, the caching proxy I was using crapped out on me, I realised that as I was gathering information for you |
| 08:20.32 | halt | ssh-add Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
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| 08:20.47 | enleth | babilen: so thanks anyway, I would have wasted much more time if you didn't ask |
| 08:20.54 | babilen | enleth: fair enough, it means that I asked you to collect the right information at least :D |
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| 08:23.24 | petn-randall | halt: Yeah, that's by design. Though my ssh-agent is started via DBUS from my GUI. |
| 08:23.50 | halt | petn-randall: I do not have gui installed |
| 08:24.27 | petn-randall | halt: You can simply start it from your .bashrc, I think. The command should be idempotent, i.e. it will only start once, no matter how many shells you spawn. |
| 08:24.52 | petn-randall | (unchecked statement, make sure to check it) |
| 08:24.58 | enleth | babilen: actually I often get on IRC to ask a question just to force myself to gather information needed for a well-defined question, 9 times out of 10 I solve the problem in the process |
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| 08:25.49 | enleth | babilen: the other one is solved with follow-up questions |
| 08:26.03 | iceroot | is ctrl + f5 (force reload) disabled in iceweasel (17.x)? i only have firefox 22 here as the oppositie and there it is working |
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| 08:26.19 | petn-randall | enleth: Sounds like something could be optimized away there ;) |
| 08:26.54 | sweb | how can run this comment to background ... `find /tmp/ -type f -mtime +3 | xargs rm -Rf` |
| 08:26.58 | enleth | petn-randall: the key word is "force" |
| 08:27.47 | petn-randall | iceroot: I'm not aware that it is disabled. Out of curiosity: If you don't use it, why are you asking? |
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| 08:28.04 | halt | petn-randall: so something like this will do right ? https://gist.github.com/rezlam/850855 |
| 08:28.04 | owen1 | babilen: http://stackoverflow.com/a/15866990 this guy say to 'check with ldd for referenced .so-files' |
| 08:28.36 | babilen | enleth: It is okay -- Learning how to ask the right questions is one aspect of learning how to provide good support |
| 08:29.03 | enleth | BTW, I'm working on a secure bootloader for Debian Live now, with the filesystem *and* the kernel encrypted and kexec'd after decryption, and I'll be releasing it as soon as I get a go-ahead from my employer |
| 08:29.17 | babilen | owen1: Sure, that would work if you run it on the binaries directly. fwiw, I don't think that installing more libraries than you actually need will be a problem |
| 08:29.40 | bezaban | enleth: not with smartcard support by any chance? :) |
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| 08:30.21 | owen1 | i don't understand what .so-files means. i guess i'll try 'apt-get install ia32-libs' |
| 08:30.43 | iceroot | petn-randall: i dont use it? i cant use it because it is disabled |
| 08:30.54 | iceroot | petn-randall: that is the reason why i am asking |
| 08:31.32 | enleth | bezaban: not at the moment but should be doable, right now it's using PKCS#8 keys stored on the CD itself - they're protected with PBKDF2, which is as good as it gets if you must store the key in plain sight |
| 08:31.51 | petn-randall | iceroot: I see. Sorry I can't provide you with an answer, I'm using the latest iceweasel, too. |
| 08:31.51 | enleth | I mean, the "bootloader" has full openssl on it |
| 08:32.50 | enleth | It's not bulletproof, but should be a royal PITA for anyone trying to break it |
| 08:33.00 | iceroot | petn-randall: and ctrl + f5 is not working on your iceweasel too? |
| 08:33.57 | babilen | owen1: "referenced .so files" simply means "referenced dynamically linked libraries" -- If you run "ldd /path/to/binary" it will list all libraries the binary is linked against. That way you could figure out which libraries you have to install (as you'll see which are missing) |
| 08:34.03 | bezaban | enleth: that might be useful for a project I'm working on. Very interesting. Any pointers to where it will be released, under what license, if ever? :) |
| 08:34.08 | petn-randall | iceroot: Oh wait, no I get your question. It's not working in 22 for you, and you're asking if it does in 17. It should work in both. Maybe you window manager is grabbing that keypress, check that. |
| 08:34.15 | petn-randall | *now |
| 08:34.26 | iceroot | petn-randall: its working on firefox 22 but not on iceweasel 17 |
| 08:34.44 | petn-randall | clearly needs to drink up his coffee. |
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| 08:34.49 | Frank81 | ikonia -> /var/lib/dpkg/info is the right answer there you can do dir mysql-s* and them rm -rf mysql-s* and then all works like a charm |
| 08:36.40 | owen1 | babilen: thank you |
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| 08:51.21 | petn-randall | Frank81: Sounds like a great way to break dpkg. |
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| 08:56.09 | enleth | bezaban: hard to say when, and I'm not sure where to announce that |
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| 09:02.23 | Frank81 | petn-rand it is it is the best way to break it the only |
| 09:02.34 | Frank81 | if force options don't help and any :D |
| 09:02.45 | Frank81 | you should keep that in tool box ^^ |
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| 09:11.01 | obounaim | Hi |
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| 09:11.59 | obounaim | What happens when new stable release is out for people that are currently using the last stable release? |
| 09:12.01 | obounaim | thanks? |
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| 09:13.46 | ksk | !tell obounaim about oldstable |
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| 09:18.14 | obounaim | stable user are automatically switched to oldstable when new release is out? |
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| 09:22.18 | dorud1 | how to connect via VPN automatically? |
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| 09:24.16 | ksk | obounaim: no, you keep the softaware state you have, eg you have "squeeze" and from then on squeeze is called oldstable |
| 09:24.33 | ksk | as long as you have setup your sources.list with "squeeze" (instead of stable) you will keep to that release |
| 09:24.40 | ksk | !tell obounaim about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 09:25.20 | ksk | if you have "stable" there instead of squeeze and you do an update/dist-upgrade you will upgrade to the next release |
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| 09:29.14 | obounaim | ksk: thanks |
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| 09:30.20 | rapha | Hi! |
| 09:30.50 | rapha | How can I find out how much free space is available in a disk array (i.e. /dev/md2)? |
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| 09:32.37 | tremon | rapha: depends on the contents of the array. If it's partitioned, use parted or the like. If it's a PV, use pvdisplay/vgdisplay. If it's a filesystem, mount it and use df |
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| 09:35.49 | ksk | rapha: "df -h"? |
| 09:36.07 | ksk | or "df -h $mountpoint" |
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| 09:36.21 | ksk | uh, nevermind. |
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| 09:43.10 | mcgreg | tralala: I solved the problem with the size of it - it was just debug symbols... but the problem still persists -.- |
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| 09:48.53 | rapha | ksk: thx anyways ;) |
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| 09:50.12 | angs | can I install driver and firmware of 8188SU chipset by apt-get install? |
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| 09:51.44 | rapha | tremon: the array was pre-setup by the host and /dev/md2 has 2TB so i decreased it to around 100GB. now i'd like to get the exact free size to create /dev/md3,4 with <free size>/2 |
| 09:51.52 | rapha | had* |
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| 09:53.36 | tremon | rapha: how did you change its size? |
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| 10:02.05 | rapha | tremon: with mdadm --grow and resize2fsa |
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| 10:04.47 | tremon | ok, that's only half of the steps, and I'm assuming you did the resize2fs before the mdadm. After you have shrunk the md, you need to edit the underlying partition tables so that they reflect the new raid component size. After that, you can create new partitions in the free space on the disks, reboot and create new md devices on those partitions |
| 10:05.09 | tremon | I would suggest not to bother, and to setup lvm on md2 instead |
| 10:05.38 | tremon | ...unless you're looking to create different raid levels on md3 and md4 |
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| 10:07.41 | tremon | there's also raid partitioning btw: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Partitioning_RAID_/_LVM_on_RAID |
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| 10:09.56 | ChrisH | rapha: with or without LVM? With plain partitions it is ugly, with LVM it is quite simple. |
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| 10:14.35 | zipy | hi, i want to swtich from ubuntu to debian, im wondering why the images are so big, (7cds or 3dvds) |
| 10:15.13 | rapha | tremon: oh okay, i thought you'd just have one biiig partition inside of which all the raid stuff lived. but so it's different. i think i know what to google for then, thanks! |
| 10:15.46 | rapha | ChrisH: yes, wondering if i shouldn't scrap the hoster's debian image and set up myself from scratch and with lvm. |
| 10:15.47 | tremon | zipy: because debian offers (more) choice. If you have a good internet connection (wired), the netinstall cd is recommended |
| 10:16.08 | zipy | ah ok i will use the netinstall then thank you |
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| 10:16.12 | ChrisH | zipy: You can use the netinstaller (1 CD) and get the rest via network. |
| 10:17.04 | ChrisH | rapha: If you can kick it, go and use LVM. This is will save your work and problems in the future. |
| 10:17.29 | tremon | rapha: linux software raid is partition-based, so the disk partitions are under the md device, not on top. But as shown in the link, you can create partitionable md devices too |
| 10:18.44 | ChrisH | rapha: For me the most flexible way is: 2 disks partiton into 2 parts /boot and mirror --> md --> LVM --> lvols |
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| 10:25.21 | rapha | hmm |
| 10:25.45 | rapha | that does sound like the most sound solution for the future ChrisH ... especially since i don't plan on setting this machine up a second time. |
| 10:26.17 | petn-randall | rapha: I have the same setup as ChrisH, works great for me. |
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| 10:27.14 | petn-randall | rapha: While technically you could even leave away a separate /boot (grub2 *can* boot off RAID + LVM), I wouldn't leave that away for a number of good reasons. |
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| 10:30.56 | ChrisH | rapha,petn-randall I do setup this way all my systems... even the ones with only one disk :) |
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| 10:31.52 | petn-randall | LVM is great :D |
| 10:32.10 | petn-randall | ChrisH: I usually skip the RAID on my single disk machines ;) |
| 10:32.24 | elios | can you lvm after install ? |
| 10:33.25 | petn-randall | elios: Yeah, but you need some extra storage to backup your data up and a live image to reformat and restore the backup. |
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| 10:34.47 | ChrisH | elios: not really... Its easier to do it in the installer. |
| 10:35.01 | elios | yeah, i thought so. |
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| 10:35.47 | tremon | moving your data to lvm can be done quite easily, I would not choose to move the system partitions to lvm |
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| 10:36.30 | elios | it would only work if the system partition is the same size as the old one ? |
| 10:36.58 | tremon | well, if you have system+data in one big partition, there's no easy way :) |
| 10:37.11 | elios | agree |
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| 10:37.34 | elios | well i could make a live cd of the system and backup the data ) |
| 10:37.46 | tralala | mcgreg, is the initrd image of a normal size now? |
| 10:37.54 | tremon | I said that mostly because moving the system partitions can go wrong in more ways than data, recovery is harder and there are less benefits for mostly static data |
| 10:37.57 | mcgreg | tralala: yes |
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| 10:38.32 | tralala | and the busybox shell still doesn't work? |
| 10:38.44 | mcgreg | nope :( |
| 10:39.56 | Marqin | hi |
| 10:40.01 | mcgreg | I really totally dont get it |
| 10:40.18 | tralala | it's really weird indeed |
| 10:40.46 | tralala | if you feel like it you can compile a different mainline version and see if it works |
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| 10:41.32 | tralala | also you could try to pass an initrd image from another kernel just to see if busybox will work |
| 10:42.02 | honvai | Where is posix shell in abdroid? |
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| 10:42.20 | nkuttler | honvai: try #android or somesuch |
| 10:42.28 | Marqin | is debootstrap bugged? |
| 10:43.14 | tralala | Marqin, check out existing bug reports at bugs.debian.org or using reportbug |
| 10:43.17 | Marqin | i'm trying to make chroot via `debootstrap --arch amd64 wheezy /home/something` and i got `W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/something mount -t proc proc /proc` |
| 10:43.22 | mcgreg | tralala: ok, I will test compile kernel 3.9 from www.kernel.org now |
| 10:43.27 | Marqin | is it my fault? |
| 10:44.00 | petn-randall | Marqin: Are you running it as root? |
| 10:44.13 | Marqin | petn-randall: yes |
| 10:44.24 | Marqin | hm, i see, there is no /etc/passwd in chrooted dir |
| 10:44.34 | Marqin | so inside chroot there is no root? |
| 10:44.38 | Marqin | but why |
| 10:45.10 | tremon | Marqin: it isn't necessary, the kernel works on uid 0, not the username |
| 10:45.26 | petn-randall | Marqin: There is root inside the chroot, it's just a different /, everything else is the same. |
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| 10:46.10 | Marqin | ok, i chrooted and i see i have uid=0 |
| 10:46.21 | Marqin | but when try to manually mount -t proc proc /proc in chroot i got permission denied |
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| 10:46.29 | Marqin | how can uid=0 have perm den |
| 10:46.46 | tremon | Marqin: is the partition mounted noexec or nosuid? |
| 10:46.56 | tremon | (not sure if nosuid matters) |
| 10:47.33 | Marqin | on host? it's 'proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)' |
| 10:47.50 | tremon | no, the partition on which the chroot lives :) |
| 10:48.14 | mowgl3y | hello. i am on debian stable amd64. i have downloaded steam deb package from jessie and installed it. but when i launch it i get '/.steam/steam.sh: not found'. how to solve this. |
| 10:48.30 | Marqin | ah lol |
| 10:48.40 | Marqin | tremon: '/dev/md2 on /home type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime)' |
| 10:48.47 | honvai | What is the command to open posix shell on termilal? |
| 10:49.08 | tremon | ok, so that's not it either. are you running a 32-bit kernel? |
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| 10:49.12 | Marqin | tremon: the same as other box, on which debootstrap worked |
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| 10:49.32 | Marqin | tremon: no |
| 10:49.54 | Marqin | tremon: but i see i have 2.6 with grsec where it's not working |
| 10:50.01 | Marqin | maybe grsec is blocking? |
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| 10:50.23 | tremon | that's possible, I would assume grsec has logging somewhere |
| 10:50.42 | Marqin | tremon: the problem is, i'm new here and i don't know exacly what's on which server :-( |
| 10:51.10 | tremon | otherwise, you can enter the chroot manually and run the mount command by hand, check the error message (possibly you can find it in debootstrap.log, I'm not sure) |
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| 10:53.09 | honvai | Lxde no open unknow error |
| 10:53.29 | Marqin | tremon: when i run by hand in chroot i get permision denied |
| 10:53.34 | Marqin | with uid 0 |
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| 10:54.32 | tremon | ok, that sounds like grsec could be interfering. I'm not familiar with it though |
| 10:54.44 | honvai | What is the command to see lxde status? |
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| 10:57.28 | thunder1212 | hi |
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| 11:01.51 | thunder1212 | hi |
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| 11:02.04 | honvai | Hi |
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| 11:03.22 | Marqin | tremon: i was grsec |
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| 11:03.37 | Marqin | tremon: i changed debootstrap function code to mount it from outside, not inside |
| 11:03.48 | Marqin | now workin' |
| 11:03.55 | tremon | good :) |
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| 11:11.31 | osfd | Do you a good alternative to digikam and shotwell, please ? I want a photo manager |
| 11:11.49 | honvai | Lxde work two days latar and some reason rdp client fail to open it |
| 11:13.33 | honvai | How i see is lxde server status on? |
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| 11:16.14 | osfd | digikam looks by far as the best software |
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| 11:16.29 | osfd | tough, taht impies installing a lot a crap from KDE... |
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| 11:23.57 | tremon | thinks it's odd that the best software can be written on a lot of crap |
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| 11:27.49 | musca | honvai: did the ip address change? |
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| 11:28.22 | osfd | tremon: I mean a lot of libs from KDE |
| 11:28.24 | mcgreg | tralala: download kernel 3.9 from kernel.org, compiled it the same way, everything is just fine |
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| 11:28.55 | eugenmayer | Hello, is there any way to maintain .ssh/config more the .ssh/config.d/ way to be able to use scripts to apped /remove stuff? |
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| 11:35.16 | mowgl3y | hello. i need help with installing steam. |
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| 11:36.23 | mowgl3y | i am on stable and downloaded the package from testing. after installing when i try to run steam. i get '.steam/steam.sh: not found |
| 11:36.26 | mowgl3y | error |
| 11:36.33 | SirLagz | which package ? |
| 11:37.10 | mowgl3y | steam nonfree jessie |
| 11:37.23 | mowgl3y | http://packages.debian.org/jessie/steam |
| 11:37.31 | SirLagz | i didn't even realise steam was on Jessie lol |
| 11:37.40 | mowgl3y | :p |
| 11:37.40 | SirLagz | I installed steam using some tutorials I googled |
| 11:38.05 | mowgl3y | oh that ghostsomething on github? |
| 11:38.08 | SirLagz | yep |
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| 11:38.28 | mowgl3y | how is that. it works ok? |
| 11:38.44 | SirLagz | yeah worked ok as far as I can tell |
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| 11:39.11 | mowgl3y | hmm. if i cant get this package working. ill give that a try. |
| 11:39.34 | mowgl3y | were you getting jockey-common error when running steam? |
| 11:39.37 | honvai | how to disable android property workspace environment? |
| 11:39.55 | SirLagz | yeah I still get that jockey error |
| 11:39.56 | SirLagz | I just ignore it |
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| 11:40.05 | mowgl3y | :/ |
| 11:40.51 | mowgl3y | are you on stable/testing? |
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| 11:41.36 | babilen | mowgl3y: You should download and install the newest version as that bug has been fixed (cf. #706857) -- I can't repeat often enough that installing testing or unstable packages on stable is a good way to break your system. I am not entirely sure about steam and it might be different, but you should (generally speaking) *never* mix stable with anything but backports. |
| 11:42.16 | mowgl3y | babilen: omg. how do i remove the package then? |
| 11:42.31 | babilen | mowgl3y: The recommended way to get software version from testing/unstable on stable are to use backports. You can either use officially provided backports (/msg dpkg backports) or backport packages yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:42.54 | babilen | mowgl3y: How did you install it? It might be as easy as running "apt-get purge steam" |
| 11:43.31 | mowgl3y | babilen: i downloaded the package from http://packages.debian.org/jessie/steam and installed using dpkg -i packagefile |
| 11:43.55 | babilen | mowgl3y: I would like to reiterate that my advice above is just general advice and not specific to steam. The bug you ran into has been fixed in the unstable version of that package and you should use that. |
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| 11:45.14 | babilen | mowgl3y: Give me a second to take a look at the packaging, but you should *never* install testing or unstable packages directly and unmodified on stable. Exceptions are rare (e.g. it is *typically* okay to install kernel packages) and mixing releases is typically a good way to break your system. |
| 11:45.19 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok thanks. i have never installed any testing package on my stable. can you point me to the proper guidelines for doing so. |
| 11:45.28 | babilen | mowgl3y: But don't despair, you'll get steam eventually :) |
| 11:45.28 | SirLagz | mowgl3y, I'm on unstable |
| 11:45.56 | mowgl3y | babilen: am not that bothered with steam more than messing up my stable system. |
| 11:46.11 | babilen | mowgl3y: Well, as said: The *proper* way to install packages from testing/unstable on stable is to use backports. If we do not provide an official backport you can create one yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 11:47.02 | mowgl3y | babilen:k ty. i'm relatively new on debian. ill have to read up on that. |
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| 11:48.25 | mowgl3y | babilen: when i try to remove the steam package i just installed it says that 'Package 'steam' is not installed, so not removed' |
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| 11:48.33 | honvai | musca: yes. what it is? |
| 11:48.45 | babilen | mowgl3y: You don't have to confuse yourself with all these datails right now. What you should keep in mind are two things: 1. If I download something manually and install it I am doing it wrong 2. Don't mix stable with anything but backports |
| 11:48.59 | babilen | mowgl3y: May I see the output of "dpkg -l steam|tail -n1" |
| 11:49.18 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok sure. |
| 11:49.41 | mowgl3y | iU steam 1.0.0.39-1 i386 Valve's Steam digital software delivery system |
| 11:50.38 | mowgl3y | babilen: i am on amd64. so i did a --force-architecture when installing |
| 11:51.05 | honvai | what is my lxde server ip? |
| 11:51.19 | babilen | mowgl3y: Okay I had a look at the steam package and due to the way it is designed (it ships a precompiled binary anyway) it is probably quite alright to install the unstable package directly on stable. This is an exception! You can, if you want to be sure to not introduce anything weird, follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" to get a package version meant for wheezy. |
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| 11:51.46 | babilen | mowgl3y: Argh! You should also *never* ever run --force-* with dpkg. |
| 11:52.07 | babilen | mowgl3y: I mean there are some situations in which they are justified, but they are another easy way to mess up the system. |
| 11:52.27 | mowgl3y | babilen: damn it. :/ |
| 11:52.34 | SirLagz | lol |
| 11:52.52 | babilen | mowgl3y: Wheezy has a feature called "multiarch" that allows you to install packages from a foreign architecture directly (insofar as those architectures are compatible like amd64 and i386) |
| 11:53.12 | SirLagz | actually, you guys would be a good bunch of ask...my apache startup script thinks it's not starting when it actually is starting |
| 11:53.16 | SirLagz | anyone had anything similar ? |
| 11:53.45 | babilen | mowgl3y: This is discussed in http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO and enabling i386 is as easy as running "dpkg --add-architecture i386" you can then run "apt-get update" and you are able to install i386 packages directly. |
| 11:53.47 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok i see. didnt know that. so is there no way of removing steam now? |
| 11:54.10 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok bookmared. ill go through it. ty |
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| 11:54.41 | babilen | mowgl3y: So, what I would recommend to you right now is to 1. Either backport the steam package (follow "/msg dpkg ssb") or download the one for unstable (as that version fixes the bug you ran into earlier) |
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| 11:55.37 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok. is there a way to remove it though. i dont think i need steam that bad. |
| 11:55.48 | babilen | mowgl3y: You cannot remove it because that package is installed in some sort of shadow world ;) -- You forced the architecture but insofar only amd64 packages are considered to be "valid" as you haven't enabled another architecture yet. I wouldn't worry too much about it *for now* -- but please be a bit more careful in the future ;) |
| 11:56.30 | mowgl3y | babilen: i see. thanks a lot man. for helping out. really appreciate it. ill try backporting. |
| 11:56.40 | babilen | mowgl3y: 2. Once you have the i386 package downloaded/backported run "dpkg --add-architecture i386" to enable the i386 architecture and then "apt-get update" to download information about available packages for i386 from the mirrors |
| 11:56.58 | mowgl3y | babilen: kk cool |
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| 11:57.55 | babilen | mowgl3y: 3. You can then install the steam package by running "dpkg -i steam*.deb" (or the full filename) and finish with "apt-get -f install" -- the -f in there means "fix broken" and will ensure that all packages are installed that are a dependency of an installed packages and that are not currently installed. |
| 11:58.27 | babilen | mowgl3y: I would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html in due course :) |
| 11:58.34 | babilen | (and the rest of this excellent book) |
| 11:58.46 | mowgl3y | babilen: ya i did it as well. with the package i downloaded. |
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| 11:59.02 | babilen | mowgl3y: did what as well? |
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| 11:59.32 | mowgl3y | babilen: apt-get -f install |
| 11:59.37 | babilen | Ah, alright ... yeah |
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| 12:00.11 | mowgl3y | babilen:cheers for the links :) |
| 12:00.44 | babilen | mowgl3y: All that being said: You should be able to remove the steam package with apt-get once you enabled the architecture (i386) and ran "apt-get update" and I guess that you can remove (or rather purge) it right now with dpkg by running something along the lines of "dpkg --purge steam" |
| 12:01.32 | honvai | Sorry i bother yoy guys. Do not klik bookmark your lxde client. |
| 12:01.34 | babilen | mowgl3y: Simply upgrading it (as detailed above) shouldn't be much of a problem. Just be a bit more cautious when you are about to "--force-" something or mix random repositories into your system. |
| 12:01.38 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok i tried purge, remove, dpkg -r. none of them worked. |
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| 12:02.03 | babilen | mowgl3y: Did you enable the architecture already? |
| 12:02.21 | mowgl3y | babilen: not yet. i was just going thru multiarch howto |
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| 12:02.58 | mcgreg | tralala: just compiled 3.10-1 from kernel.org - works normally |
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| 12:04.00 | babilen | mowgl3y: Try "dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt-get update" and then remove the package with "dpkg --purge steam" |
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| 12:04.42 | mowgl3y | babilen: ya i just did add-arch. and now its updating. |
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| 12:10.05 | mowgl3y | babilen: ya its purged. my ocd was kicking in. :p |
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| 12:11.27 | babilen | mowgl3y: Great! Enjoy the rest of your journey! :) |
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| 12:12.28 | Rovanion | I can't see my printer in the printer dialog of Evince. lpinfo -v shows the printer. I installed from minimal, what package could I need more than cups? |
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| 12:14.39 | mowgl3y | babilen: thanks for the guidance. ill always go through proper channels when adding anything from now onwards. :) |
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| 12:16.22 | babilen | Rovanion: Try adding it on https://localhost:631 -- You typically need the PPD or other "driver" -- Debian ships various packages that contain them (e.g. gutenprint, hplip, ...) and a good website to figure out what to use is https://www.openprinting.org/printers |
| 12:16.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rovanion -about printing |
| 12:17.08 | babilen | Rovanion: Read, in particular, http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 12:17.21 | babilen | I'm having lunch now, good luck and see you guys later :D |
| 12:19.00 | Rovanion | babilen: Thank you. Odd, I've never had to manually add a printer before. The drivers were all there so I only had to press next next next. |
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| 12:27.42 | M3B0 | Hi all. Did anyone had problems with syslog after upgrading from squeeze? A coworker had some issues and he says he had to install rsyslog? Does anyone had similar problems? |
| 12:27.47 | honvai | I have not setup my bevice root account so what is it or how to set it? |
| 12:28.01 | tralala | mcgreg, it might be that something from the boot chain requires upgrade for 3.11 |
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| 12:29.18 | honvai | :) |
| 12:29.20 | musca | honvai: you don't know the root password? |
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| 12:29.50 | honvai | musca: yes |
| 12:29.52 | Ephexeve_laptop | hey guys, apt-get --purge remove is the same as aptitude --purge-unused remove |
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| 12:30.12 | mcgreg | tralala: I am now compiling 3.11 - but not from git - I'll see what happens |
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| 12:30.53 | honvai | musca: true |
| 12:30.56 | musca | honvai: then you are not permitted to change anything. |
| 12:31.06 | honvai | musca: true |
| 12:31.11 | intrade | !seen towo |
| 12:31.11 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'towo', intrade |
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| 12:32.10 | honvai | musca: what is my root password? |
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| 12:35.00 | musca | honvai: Do we speak about a debian system? |
| 12:35.15 | honvai | Yes |
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| 12:36.19 | musca | honvai: While going through the setup dialogs you were asked to set up root and user accounts. |
| 12:36.39 | musca | nobody else knows it. |
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| 12:39.06 | Owner | musca, what is my root password |
| 12:39.30 | honvai | musca: my first user is tonituomastirkkonen and password is my passport. Maybe it is my root account |
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| 12:39.58 | honvai | Let me try |
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| 12:42.46 | honvai | System fail |
| 12:43.24 | mowgl3y | honvai: ask your sysadmin for root password. |
| 12:43.56 | honvai | How is my systemadmin? |
| 12:44.24 | workingcats | honvai, whoever installed the system probably |
| 12:45.57 | mowgl3y | honvai: who installed debian on the system you are currently working on? he should be able to tell you the root password. |
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| 12:46.28 | jhutchins | mowgl3y: Actually, setting the root password is optional. |
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| 12:47.51 | mowgl3y | jhutchins: oh i didnt know about that. but doesnt the installer ask for root password? |
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| 12:48.40 | honvai | How has install debian my coputer. I just allow that he or she can install debian on my computer |
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| 12:52.40 | workingcats | honvai, say again? |
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| 12:55.59 | mcgreg | tralala: ok, 3.11 rc1 is still not working, but since 3.10-1 is working okay, there something between them , perhaps it'll be fixed. buit now I dont really believe it is a initrd problem |
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| 12:56.55 | jhutchins | mowgl3y: Yes, it asks, but it explains alternatives. |
| 12:57.17 | honvai | I mean how has install linux on my machine computer device in first place? |
| 12:57.26 | jhutchins | Mind you, I've run the Debian installer probably five or six times. |
| 12:57.26 | tralala | mcgreg, do you suspect a kernel bug? I think this is less likely than a dependency problem |
| 12:57.56 | workingcats | honvai, we can't know who installed debian on your computer, or how they did it. |
| 12:58.34 | mowgl3y | jhutchins: ah ok. i havent payed much attention to it while installing. |
| 12:59.00 | workingcats | honvai, if the computer came with debian then ask the person who gave you the computer |
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| 13:00.06 | jhutchins | My sister was bitten by a moose once. |
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| 13:00.42 | mowgl3y | u wot m7? |
| 13:01.09 | Rovanion | jhutchins: Was chased by a moose once, enormous beasts those. |
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| 13:01.58 | honvai | Whai they did not tell me that when i buy it. It is kernel thing to do that when you buy bevise then they tell automaticli root account |
| 13:02.14 | kaste | maybe you have sudo setup honvai |
| 13:02.18 | kaste | try sudo su |
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| 13:03.10 | kaste | if that doesn't help try this old trick honvai https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Password_Recovery |
| 13:03.33 | musca | !i forgot root's password |
| 13:03.33 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:04.18 | mcgreg | tralala: to be honest, I can't say neither of them. I'm hardly in the position to jugde about such things. I'm surprised nobody else experienced this problem yet… perhaps it is some special case |
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| 13:06.19 | mcgreg | it's bad I've spent half a day just to fail at the end. I actually want the kernel to work because of the new AMD/Radeon dynamic power management code |
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| 13:08.24 | tremon | mcgreg: I haven't been following, can you describe your issue in two sentences? |
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| 13:09.37 | mcgreg | tremon: I've compiled kernel 3.11-rc1 (git and non-git) from www.kernel.org. compiling went fine, but it doiesnt boot -> http://picpaste.com/pics/boot_error-mGaRtIwj.1374217349.png |
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| 13:10.14 | mcgreg | I cant access the tty (keyboard driver isnt loaded, since lights are dead) |
| 13:11.01 | tremon | usb keyboard? |
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| 13:11.15 | mcgreg | I'm not totally sure, it has 1 usb and one violet ps2 plug |
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| 13:12.31 | abrotman | mcgreg: did you create your own config, or start with a working one ? |
| 13:12.41 | tremon | that should be ps/2 keyboard, but you probably want to force the usb keyboard driver into initramfs by adding "usbhid" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 13:12.58 | tremon | it's a good idea for a rescue situation anyway |
| 13:13.07 | mcgreg | abrotman: make oldconfig from debian 3.10-1 , for the rest config I just took the recommended. and I disabled debug. |
| 13:13.36 | mcgreg | tremon: good idea, IÄll add it |
| 13:13.37 | tremon | what's your / setup? regular partition, lvm, raid? |
| 13:13.40 | mcgreg | *I'll |
| 13:13.45 | mcgreg | none |
| 13:13.50 | mcgreg | standard |
| 13:14.11 | mcgreg | btw, kernel 3.10 and kernel 3.9 - everyhgting done the same way - worked just fine |
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| 13:15.26 | tremon | from your image, I suspect you still have "quiet" on the kernel command line. That's not helpful :) |
| 13:16.00 | mcgreg | of course I have ;) |
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| 13:16.27 | mcgreg | haven't even thought of booting without it... :) |
| 13:16.40 | tremon | I can't tell you what changed between 3.11 and 3.10, but that error usually shows up if you're missing either a sata driver or a filesystem driver in the initramfs |
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| 13:16.58 | mjessome | zykotick9: Sorry for such a late reply. No, /etc/network/interfaces only has entries for eth0, and not for wlan1 |
| 13:17.18 | tremon | you can use lsinitramfs to list the files present, diff to compare the outputs :) |
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| 13:17.39 | mcgreg | tremon: # most - Add most filesystem and all harddrive drivers. <-- this is set , the initrd is the same size as always |
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| 13:18.29 | mjessome | I've got a TP-Link TL-WN822N usb wifi adapter, which uses the rtl8192cu driver installed with the firmware-ralink package. Running on kernel 3.9.1-amd64. I have network-manager running, it is seeing the adapter, and connects to my router -- however I am not getting any internet connection, and cannot even ping my router (ping 192.168.1.1 says "Destination host unreachable"). Anyone that might be able to give me a hand with this? thanks. |
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| 13:19.52 | mcgreg | tremon: ok, I will try booting without "quiet" argument and see what it tells me |
| 13:19.54 | tremon | mcgreg: ok, that's at least something. But I'd still like you to compare the file listings (lsinitramfs $initrd |grep bin/modules), just in case |
| 13:20.21 | tremon | before rebooting, did you re-run update-initramfs to include the usbhid module? |
| 13:21.26 | mcgreg | I am just installing (again) the 3.11 kernel ;) because if I keep it and it auto-boots it ... so I am always uninstalled non-bootable kernels ;) |
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| 13:21.50 | tremon | :) ok |
| 13:22.18 | mcgreg | so yes, now they're uptodate , reboot, brb |
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| 13:25.17 | mjessome | I am able to make a connection and lease an IP, however once the connection is made, I'm unable to do anything with the network. The router eventually drops the connection, but my machine things that it is still connected. Anyone that might be able to help me troubleshoot this? |
| 13:25.21 | xintron | Where would GNU make related questions be suited to ask? |
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| 13:26.05 | kaste | #workingset xintron |
| 13:26.56 | xintron | kaste, ty! |
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| 13:28.00 | mcgreg | re |
| 13:28.13 | mcgreg | so, my keyboard is still dead |
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| 13:28.40 | mcgreg | I made a screenshot of the last "screen" - you can see the usb hid core driver has been loaded |
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| 13:30.04 | mcgreg | I'll have it uploaded in a minute ;) |
| 13:30.29 | tremon | did the usbhid driver pull in any hcd module? I see my file contains ohci_hcd as well, but I was assuming that a _hcd (usb root hub) module would be included automatically |
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| 13:31.45 | Ener2 | hello I am trying to raise hard limit/soft limit for FD but it does nothing... |
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| 13:32.26 | Ener2 | I have put this at the end of /etc/security/limtis.conf |
| 13:32.27 | mcgreg | hmm my desktop is starting feeling very slow/unreactive .. I fear my pretty new samsung ssd is dying... or something like that |
| 13:32.27 | Ener2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.41 | Ener2 | but doesnt matter if I reboot or not, no changes |
| 13:32.51 | Ener2 | ulimit -Hn displays 1024 ... |
| 13:32.58 | mcgreg | or it is something else |
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| 13:33.38 | mcgreg | or it is kde |
| 13:33.56 | jhutchins | mcgreg: Do you have smartmontools installed? |
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| 13:34.06 | mcgreg | jhutchins: I do |
| 13:34.10 | mcgreg | it reoirts no errors |
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| 13:34.36 | jhutchins | mcgreg: Revert to a stock kernel and see if there's a difference. |
| 13:34.47 | mcgreg | but since today I recognised generating initramfs is VERY slow and now even kde srat being very slowish |
| 13:35.38 | tremon | both are also processor-intensive. If your cpu is overheating, it will downclock |
| 13:36.15 | mcgreg | tremon: well, I have a pretty powerful computer and I have never experienced somehting liek that |
| 13:36.33 | tremon | not saying it is, just offering suggestions |
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| 13:37.26 | voytek | mcgreg: have you looked at a system monitor? top or something similar? |
| 13:37.32 | mcgreg | noi problem, I haveb been thinking about this too already , but sensors tells me the temp is ~18°C which isnt too hot ;) |
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| 13:37.49 | mcgreg | voytek: top tell me the computer is extremely idle |
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| 13:38.21 | jhutchins | 18C is not very likely, probably a calibration error. |
| 13:38.52 | mcgreg | but the cooler would be louder if the cpu would be hot - it's not |
| 13:39.16 | mcgreg | I did a lot of compiling today , I've heard too well how loud it can be ;) |
| 13:39.32 | jhutchins | mcgreg: 18C is not a correct reading. |
| 13:39.59 | tremon | it can be if mcgreg's in an igloo... |
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| 13:40.35 | tremon | although in that case, 18C would melt his walls |
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| 13:40.43 | mcgreg | http://picpaste.com/pics/booting_error_2-cv1gZXQz.1374241235.jpg |
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| 13:42.48 | mcgreg | the computer is extremely unresponsive and still top says nothing, like all 8 cores are totally idle |
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| 13:43.02 | Ener2 | anyone who can help? |
| 13:43.35 | mcgreg | dmesg says nothing either .. meh wtf is going on here now |
| 13:43.57 | tremon | mcgreg: ok, I see both sata controllers and the usb hid there. Although your ssd isn't listed, I'm assuming it's connected to the same controller as your dvd drive and hdd |
| 13:44.03 | wdouglass | Ener2: what does /etc/security/limits.conf look like? |
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| 13:44.49 | wdouglass | Ener2: you should be able to do it with one line...use a '-' instead of hard or soft |
| 13:45.07 | wdouglass | you probably need to log out and back in for it to take effect too. |
| 13:45.17 | Ener2 | wdouglass: it has now |
| 13:45.18 | Ener2 | * - nofile 32000 |
| 13:45.21 | Ener2 | only this line |
| 13:45.29 | Ener2 | lets see if it will work after reboot |
| 13:45.33 | wdouglass | Ener2: that looks like it should work |
| 13:46.14 | tremon | mcgreg: just to be sure, can you do lsmod|grep hcd and add all listed modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? In theory, you should only need ohci or uhci but I'm not sure on which controller your keyboard is connected |
| 13:46.42 | Ener2 | wdouglass: hmm nope |
| 13:46.53 | Ener2 | ulimit -Hn after reboot still says 1024 |
| 13:47.44 | ChrisH | mcgreg: are you logged on the system? The lines you showed are from booting. And if I detect it correct, this is still in initram part. |
| 13:47.58 | mcgreg | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/17075/ |
| 13:48.14 | wdouglass | Ener2: what does 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' say |
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| 13:48.38 | Ener2 | wdouglass: 10000000 |
| 13:49.15 | tremon | mcgreg: while you're at it, can you paste lsinitramfs /boot/initrd-3.11[..] |grep usb ? |
| 13:49.31 | tremon | initrd.img- that is |
| 13:50.41 | mcgreg | http://paste.debian.net/17076/ looks strange |
| 13:50.56 | wdouglass | Ener2: are there any files in /etc/security/limits.d/*? |
| 13:51.32 | Ener2 | wdouglass: 60-nofile-limit.conf |
| 13:51.41 | wdouglass | what's in there? |
| 13:51.49 | Ener2 | which has * soft nofile 65000 |
| 13:51.54 | Ener2 | and same for hard |
| 13:51.56 | wdouglass | hmm...just delete that |
| 13:52.07 | wdouglass | the whole file |
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| 13:52.21 | tremon | mcgreg: that can't be correct. At the very least, there should be a /init file |
| 13:52.43 | mcgreg | it is there, I have unpacked it, I saw it ;) |
| 13:53.33 | tremon | well, the listing you gave suggests that there is an initramfs file inside the initramfs. The kernel doesn't do recursive inits, sadly ;) |
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| 13:55.02 | mcgreg | tremon: I will open that initrd with ark |
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| 13:55.16 | mcgreg | but that takes ages again ... wtf |
| 13:55.36 | hegemoOn | Carl ? |
| 13:55.39 | Ener2 | wdouglass: any other ideas? |
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| 13:56.11 | wdouglass | Ener2: hmm...are you sure you're using PAM? is this a regular desktop debian install? |
| 13:56.25 | Ener2 | no idea but file was there |
| 13:56.35 | Ener2 | its minimal |
| 13:56.46 | wdouglass | that's probably not the problem. |
| 13:57.41 | wdouglass | i'm kind of out of ideas, sorry! i hope you find an answer! |
| 13:57.45 | mcgreg | tremon: I deleted the old one and recreated it, now it looks better |
| 13:57.55 | tremon | show me :) |
| 13:58.10 | mcgreg | http://paste.debian.net/17077/ |
| 13:58.13 | Ener2 | aww =( |
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| 13:59.00 | tremon | ok, that looks better. did you manually add ohci-hcd to /e/i-t/modules, or was that done automatically? |
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| 13:59.52 | mcgreg | I added it before I created the the inird so I dont know if it was before. I'll reboot and see what happens |
| 13:59.55 | mcgreg | brb |
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| 14:06.24 | mcgreg | ok, adding all those usb devices changed absolutely nothing :) still no keyboard and no change at all :) |
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| 14:07.04 | tremon | hmm. I'm beginning to think you're better off waiting for -rc2 :) |
| 14:07.17 | tremon | (or, you know, the release ;) |
| 14:08.18 | tremon | you may want to ask in ##linux if anyone else has tried playing with 3.11 yet |
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| 14:08.54 | tremon | it's going to be hard diagnosing further without keyboard input |
| 14:08.55 | mcgreg | maybe it is betetr if I really wait for a rc2 release ort until debian releases it.. meh I have spent so many hours today |
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| 14:09.26 | tremon | well, if really you're into playing further, I'd say install dropbear sshd in the initramfs :) |
| 14:10.34 | mcgreg | no. since nothing works there, I think nothing would work there, there is a bug or somehting. because we've added all those modules and still no reaction. it should have worked |
| 14:10.56 | SineTheCreator | hi all. i am running debian 7 and for some reason network manager is disabling my wireless at boot |
| 14:11.06 | mcgreg | oh and now my systems seems almost normal again, normal responsiver. |
| 14:11.23 | SineTheCreator | my laptop has a built in b43 which i have disabled in it's bios, i am using a usb realtek card instead |
| 14:11.24 | tremon | yeah, "should have" being the operative term. Reality has been found wanting |
| 14:11.25 | mcgreg | like nothign ever happened... |
| 14:11.34 | mcgreg | hehe |
| 14:11.41 | SineTheCreator | wifi works fine, but after every reboot i must run rfkill unblock on my wifi card's number |
| 14:11.47 | tremon | well that's a positive :) |
| 14:12.01 | SineTheCreator | then i have to renable wireless in network manager |
| 14:12.07 | SineTheCreator | after that it works fine |
| 14:12.28 | SineTheCreator | any way to undo the soft block at boot? |
| 14:13.07 | mcgreg | so now I will patiently wait until a linux-image-3.11.0-rc1 appears when I do apt-cache search linux kernel 3.11 ;) |
| 14:13.23 | SineTheCreator | for reference i have blacklisted the b43 driver at startup. the card works fine, but it offloads to CPU which slows things down. |
| 14:13.41 | SineTheCreator | if i do not blacklist the driver, odd things happen |
| 14:13.43 | mcgreg | anyway, going to 1 week vacation tomorrow ;) |
| 14:14.00 | mcgreg | so the maintainer has one week time to his the problem for me :P |
| 14:14.14 | SineTheCreator | thanks for any ideas/info you might have :D |
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| 14:14.22 | SineTheCreator | i'll be hanging around |
| 14:15.04 | jhutchins | mcgreg: Why would you want to be running a bleeding-edge kernel in the first place? Is it your goal to find bugs in the new code? |
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| 14:15.24 | RxDx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.51 | mcgreg | jhutchins: I want the new amd radeon dynamic power management |
| 14:16.06 | mcgreg | besides that, I have been on bleeding edge since years ;) |
| 14:16.09 | SineTheCreator | RxDx: it's not too difficult actually |
| 14:16.13 | mcgreg | I got used to it :) |
| 14:16.24 | jhutchins | RxDx: There's more than one way. Either a single DHCP server, or a range of IPs on each AP, or distributed DHCP. |
| 14:16.33 | SineTheCreator | RxDx: here's what to do. set each router to same subnet with sequentially rising address, i.e. 192.168.10.1, .2, .3, etc |
| 14:16.41 | SineTheCreator | then, disable dhcp on ALL but the first one |
| 14:17.03 | SineTheCreator | alternatively you can do a disabled DHCP like jhutchins suggested if your routers support it |
| 14:17.11 | SineTheCreator | er distributied* |
| 14:17.16 | SineTheCreator | sorry, i have a very bad headache :D |
| 14:17.48 | RxDx | so.. a single dhcp should be the perfect solution for me |
| 14:17.50 | SineTheCreator | all 'sub' routers should report default gateway to .1 |
| 14:17.56 | SineTheCreator | RxDx: it works for me |
| 14:17.57 | jhutchins | will go get more coffee in honor of SineTheCreator's headache. |
| 14:18.01 | SineTheCreator | i have two routers in my network |
| 14:18.16 | RxDx | because all I want is provide transparent handoff between mesh routers to the clients |
| 14:18.21 | SineTheCreator | one is the one supplied by my cable provider. the other is my WRT54G running dd-wrt |
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| 14:18.24 | SineTheCreator | sure |
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| 14:18.36 | SineTheCreator | in my case, the cable router is x.1 |
| 14:18.41 | SineTheCreator | the WRT54G is x.2 |
| 14:18.42 | jhutchins | RxDx: Single DHCP server would be the way then, it would maintain the lease by the MAC of the client. |
| 14:18.49 | SineTheCreator | it reports to x.1, default gateway |
| 14:18.55 | mcgreg | anyway, thx everyone for you help and time :) |
| 14:18.58 | SineTheCreator | the dhcp server actually runs on x.2 though |
| 14:19.14 | SineTheCreator | i have dhcp disabled on the cable modem/router because it's problematic. |
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| 14:19.26 | RxDx | jhutchins, I just have to disable all dhcp-server (just keeping the gateway dhcp-server on)? |
| 14:19.36 | tremon | mcgreg: good luck with 3.11, and enjoy your time off |
| 14:19.44 | SineTheCreator | so what happens is, any dhcp clients are assigned an address by .2, but everything works fine because .2 basically forwards to .1 |
| 14:19.45 | SineTheCreator | understand? |
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| 14:20.02 | SineTheCreator | RxDx: yes |
| 14:20.25 | RxDx | thanks a lot SineTheCreator and jhutchins |
| 14:20.27 | RxDx | ill try :) |
| 14:20.28 | SineTheCreator | sure |
| 14:20.42 | SineTheCreator | RxDx: in my usage case, if i had more than two routers, i would need to make .1 the dhcp server |
| 14:20.49 | mcgreg | tremon: thank you |
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| 14:20.57 | SineTheCreator | OR, i would need to make each extra router report to .2, which then reports to .1 |
| 14:21.01 | SineTheCreator | see? it's a chain :D |
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| 14:38.09 | ChrisH | Desert_eagle: chmod 600 some/file some/other/file |
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| 14:51.42 | mactimes | I'm currently running Wheezy/3.2.0-4-amd64 and have a graphic/pen tablet WP5540, which is currently working for the coordinates, click and second button click, but I can't find anywhere to configure options for it. I also installed wizardpen to see if I could make use of calibration, but it seems I'm not smart enough to to it by myself. Could someone give me a hand on this? |
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| 15:03.58 | alakulihal | hey all |
| 15:04.06 | alakulihal | I want ask |
| 15:04.34 | alakulihal | why when I remove libreoffice needed to remove gnome? |
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| 15:09.26 | alakulihal | hello |
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| 15:13.51 | ksk | how do you remove libreoffice? |
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| 15:16.33 | ChibaPet | ksk: What package management software do you like to use? |
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| 15:18.10 | ksk | ChibaPet: it was a question i asked alfred |
| 15:18.11 | ChibaPet | ksk: Anyway, I'd run aptitude, search for libreoffice, and press underbar to purge, and then I'd purge any random dependencies only there to support LibreOffice as well. |
| 15:18.27 | ksk | err, you changed your nick? |
| 15:18.31 | ChibaPet | Oh, ah, I see. I hadn't read scrollback. |
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| 15:21.09 | jordanm | !tell rapha about debootstrap |
| 15:22.51 | rapha | thank you jordanm! |
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| 15:39.46 | no_gravity | Hey! Is there a virtual machine in the debian 7 repos that is good for trying other linux distros and windows? |
| 15:40.12 | Scar3cr0w | kvm, qemu, virtualbox etc |
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| 15:40.44 | Scar3cr0w | do you have a desktop no_gravity? |
| 15:40.56 | Scar3cr0w | if so I'd probably recommend virtualbox to get started |
| 15:41.00 | no_gravity | Scar3cr0w: when i tried qemu some years ago it was real slow. |
| 15:41.02 | Scar3cr0w | it's the most like vmware etc |
| 15:41.36 | Scar3cr0w | kvm is the closest hypervisor to esx that I'd recommend |
| 15:41.49 | voytek | qemu's gotten much better (with kvm) |
| 15:41.55 | no_gravity | Scar3cr0w: i use a lenovo x301 notebook |
| 15:41.56 | Scar3cr0w | ^agreed |
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| 15:43.03 | no_gravity | windows 8 will run inside both? |
| 15:43.14 | Scar3cr0w | yes |
| 15:43.22 | no_gravity | interesting |
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| 15:45.17 | Scar3cr0w | you might also want to check the bios of your lenovo for vpro or other virtualization support, and make sure it's turned on, you'll get a much better vm experiance if your hardware suppoorts it |
| 15:46.00 | no_gravity | ok |
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| 15:46.32 | no_gravity | is there a free demoversion of windows 8 that one can use to try it? |
| 15:46.33 | tremon | no_gravity: ime, kvm with lvm backing store (don't use qcow2) is very fast |
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| 15:47.17 | no_gravity | tremon: so virtualbox or kvm? |
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| 15:47.37 | Scar3cr0w | sure is just run over to the technet site there's a windows 8 iso you can download, and try for I think it's 120 days |
| 15:47.42 | tremon | I'd use kvm/libvirt any day, but that's mostly because of familiarity |
| 15:48.04 | Scar3cr0w | do you plan on it being a production enviroment? or just playing / learning? |
| 15:48.05 | no_gravity | Scar3cr0w: im a bit reluctant to download stuff from 3rd party sites. |
| 15:48.13 | Scar3cr0w | technet is a microsoft site |
| 15:48.28 | ichtys | is there a way to get windows iso's without purchasing the installation cds? or do you have to have a technet subscription |
| 15:48.38 | Scar3cr0w | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-8.aspx |
| 15:48.43 | no_gravity | Scar3cr0w: since debian7 i cannot get google adwords editor to run under wine. so im thinking about alternatives. |
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| 15:48.50 | Scar3cr0w | the iso's are free |
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| 15:49.00 | Scar3cr0w | you'll just need to provide a product key eventually |
| 15:49.05 | ichtys | for anyone right? |
| 15:49.07 | Scar3cr0w | but you can try them all anytime |
| 15:49.09 | Scar3cr0w | yes |
| 15:49.26 | ichtys | i just basically want them if i need to do a reinstall of windows |
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| 15:49.42 | Scar3cr0w | yep |
| 15:49.50 | no_gravity | "Download an Windows 8.1 Preview ISO file (x86 or x64)" - or is that just an update from 8 to 8.1? |
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| 15:50.09 | Scar3cr0w | look lower on the page |
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| 15:50.17 | Scar3cr0w | Pilot windows 8 |
| 15:50.41 | no_gravity | 2.8 gig .. holy moly... |
| 15:50.43 | Scar3cr0w | or you can download the 8.1 iso from the second link |
| 15:50.52 | Scar3cr0w | yea they are full iso's not just updates |
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| 15:51.25 | no_gravity | this will my first contact with windows since windows 2000. |
| 15:52.01 | Scar3cr0w | lol |
| 15:52.03 | Scar3cr0w | nice |
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| 15:52.26 | Scar3cr0w | well I'm off to work, good luck y'all |
| 15:52.40 | mjt | heh. firefo^Wiceweasel just crashed here trying to open this win8 url.. ;) |
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| 15:52.51 | ChrisH | no_gravity: Be strong... it's totally different |
| 15:52.55 | Scar3cr0w | lol |
| 15:53.09 | no_gravity | apt-get install virtualbox running... |
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| 15:53.22 | Scar3cr0w | different is an understatment lol |
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| 15:54.27 | no_gravity | how close to native performance is virtualbox? |
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| 15:56.08 | mjt | qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 1G -vga std -cpu host -usbdevice tablet -netdev tap,ifname=tap-kvm,script=no,id=n -device virtio-net,netdev=n -drive file=w8a.qcow2,if=virtio,cache=unsafe -monitor stdio |
| 15:56.13 | mjt | er |
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| 15:56.38 | mjt | heh. typed it in a wrong window :) |
| 15:57.14 | babilen | ORLY? :-D |
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| 15:58.33 | mullein | ORLY sounds like it should be the name of a gold mining site |
| 16:00.17 | SineTheCreator | no_gravity: that depends on the host hardware and OS |
| 16:00.52 | SineTheCreator | but generally, using modern hardware with VTx/etc extensions on a decent host OS, it's fairly close. not 100%, but close. |
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| 16:06.01 | woden | Hello, what is the command to install the proprietary nvidia driver the debian way? Thanks in advance. |
| 16:08.14 | Mathisen | woden, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 16:16.07 | marko | What is this chat talking about? |
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| 16:20.42 | jhutchins | marko: This is supposed to be technical support of Debian. Sometimes we get a bit sidetracked. |
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| 16:22.31 | mjessome | aptitude upgrade /win 21 |
| 16:22.35 | mjessome | whup |
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| 16:23.51 | Mathisen | anyone that uses pokerstars in here ?? i cant get the sound to work any ideas ?.. |
| 16:24.19 | Mathisen | using: wine-1.4.1 |
| 16:24.42 | marko | You can hear music in youtube? |
| 16:24.46 | Mathisen | yep |
| 16:25.05 | marko | upgrade flash player |
| 16:25.07 | marko | new |
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| 16:25.30 | Mathisen | will try |
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| 16:26.51 | Mathisen | " flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version * |
| 16:27.55 | marko | what do you see when u go to pokerstar when you login to play? |
| 16:28.12 | Mathisen | everything works perfect just not the sound |
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| 16:28.50 | marko | have you install anything latley? |
| 16:28.56 | Mathisen | nope |
| 16:29.32 | marko | wait a sec |
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| 16:30.08 | Mathisen | will do.. be right back going for a smoke |
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| 16:31.11 | marko | d |
| 16:31.12 | marko | Make sure you got the actual drivers and codec pack installed, and DirectX. Run dxdiag and test DirectSound, DirectMusic and install winamp |
| 16:33.03 | marko | And you can to these things to |
| 16:33.06 | marko | a. Right-click the speaker icon in the system tray (lower right) |
| 16:33.06 | marko | b. Select "Playback Devices" |
| 16:33.06 | marko | c. Select "Speakers" and then choose "Properties" |
| 16:33.06 | marko | d. Choose the "Enhancements" tab |
| 16:33.06 | marko | e. Check the box that says "Disable all enhancements" |
| 16:33.06 | marko | f. Click "Apply", and then "OK" to close the dialog(s). |
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| 16:35.47 | Mathisen | ops.. |
| 16:36.05 | marko | did u read anything? |
| 16:36.13 | Mathisen | yep |
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| 16:36.39 | marko | when was the last time it worked? |
| 16:36.47 | Mathisen | f. |
| 16:37.07 | marko | ? |
| 16:37.18 | Mathisen | f. Click "Apply", and then "OK" to close the dialog(s). |
| 16:37.25 | Mathisen | ops |
| 16:37.28 | Mathisen | sorry |
| 16:37.49 | Mathisen | it worked before i reinstalled my machine |
| 16:39.08 | marko | you have to install some drivers |
| 16:39.19 | Mathisen | and i did not install anything in my $wineprefix just pokerstars nothing else |
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| 16:40.32 | marko | but you have to install some things |
| 16:40.36 | marko | install java too |
| 16:40.43 | marko | and after try again |
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| 16:41.01 | Mathisen | java version "1.7.0_25" |
| 16:41.07 | orange__ | Hey, stupid question probably.. But I'm using Debian Wheezy (Openbox WM) and I was wondering: How do I run c++ code? I installed g++ and typed "g++ FileName.c++" and nothing happened |
| 16:41.32 | Mathisen | already have java installed |
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| 16:41.53 | workingcats | marko, i played PS, too, always worked out of the box installing only that in a fresh wine |
| 16:42.09 | cloq | yo, any experiences with one window of a screen session suddenly getting killed? it was opened for a several hours (log tailing) and then it suddenly closed right in front of me, I don't see anything relevant in screenrc |
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| 16:42.15 | cloq | on squeeze* |
| 16:42.36 | orange__ | Anyone? |
| 16:43.28 | EmleyMoor | orange__: You use g++ to compile C++... it's not executable as is. |
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| 16:43.38 | EmleyMoor | Is the C++ code some you wrote? |
| 16:43.56 | mjessome | I've just done a full system upgrade and I'm now unable to start X. I ssh'd in, and killed it, and The output I get is: "Exception during notification: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: ......" |
| 16:44.01 | mjessome | this is on unstable. |
| 16:44.13 | orange__ | EmleyMoor: Yeds |
| 16:44.17 | orange__ | Yes* |
| 16:44.20 | orange__ | I'm trying to learn |
| 16:44.27 | orange__ | Brand new to it as you can probably tell, haha |
| 16:45.25 | EmleyMoor | g++ -o filename filename.c++ will normally do a straight compile. You may need to add more parameters but start with that |
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| 16:45.43 | orange__ | EmleyMoor: Thank you so much, I'll try that now |
| 16:45.59 | EmleyMoor | (it generates "filename", which can, subject to permissions, then be executed) |
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| 16:46.44 | orange__ | It generated something, now how do I execute that? |
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| 16:47.14 | EmleyMoor | ./filename |
| 16:47.20 | orange__ | Oh duh xD |
| 16:47.26 | fishcooker | is there any debian phone development too? |
| 16:47.30 | fishcooker | LoL |
| 16:47.30 | orange__ | Was over thinking it, it worked, thank you so much. :) |
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| 16:51.02 | mjessome | So now when I run startx, I get nothing but a blank screen with a - in the top left corner. I have removed my xinitrc and that is not causing issue. Where might I start debugging this? |
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| 16:57.57 | chipotle | how do i see if i have php5-memcached installed? |
| 16:58.03 | chipotle | via aptitude... |
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| 16:59.08 | dD | I can't use dconf so that alt+shift+tab will be reverse alt tab. I can configure it so alt control tab will be reverse alt tab, and any other combination, but when using shift it's ignored. How can I fix this? |
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| 17:03.01 | Gokee2 | Hello everyone, I am trying to make Debian work on a UEFI system. Right now it will boot up if I manually go into the boot order when booting up and choose Debian. I do not see Debian in the boot options in bios (or whatever they call this new thing). grub-install works and says its setting Debian as the primary boot, but it does not boot to Debian upon reboot. |
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| 17:05.12 | dD | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.22 | Gokee2 | This is what the grub-install output looks like: paste.debian.net/17111 |
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| 17:08.31 | fugutive221 | Hi everyone |
| 17:08.45 | fugutive221 | I have a touchpad problem on my Ubuntu system |
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| 17:10.20 | Gokee2 | fugutive221, Might try #ubuntu then |
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| 17:10.45 | fugutive221 | I have tryed and they helped me but they did not solve my problem |
| 17:11.07 | Mathisen | problem solved; needed to change the sound to OSS used winetricks to do it |
| 17:11.08 | fugutive221 | I also looked on google for solutions for the almost the whole day but I couldn't find a solution |
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| 17:15.28 | Gokee2 | fugutive221, Hmmm, whats the problem? |
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| 17:16.21 | fugutive221 | Gokee2 When I first installed Ubuntu 13.04 everything was fine. But after a month the touchpad stopped workign |
| 17:16.24 | fugutive221 | working* |
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| 17:17.58 | zykotick9 | fugutive221: ##linux is another avenue open for you if #ubuntu can't help - but please don't seek ubuntu support in #debian. Gokee2 your #ubuntu suggestion was good - but asking what the problem was, doesn't help... ;) |
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| 17:18.44 | zerick | Any suggestions about a Proxy for Apt ? |
| 17:18.46 | fugutive221 | Ok thanks anyway |
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| 17:18.55 | ChrisH | zerick: apt-cacher-ng |
| 17:19.03 | abrotman | zerick: approx is my favorite |
| 17:19.07 | abrotman | or perferred anyway :) |
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| 17:20.30 | dD | I can't use dconf so that alt+shift+tab will be reverse alt tab. I can configure it so alt control tab will be reverse alt tab, and any other combination, but when using shift it's ignored. How can I fix this? |
| 17:20.49 | Gokee2 | zykotick9, I feel sorry for the poor guy, though this really is the wrong place for help I was gonna see if it was anything that could be easily directed elsewhere. If its simply something like scrolling not working he could try looking into synaptics though I am not sure if they have a channel here. |
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| 17:22.54 | zykotick9 | Gokee2: i can certainly understand the desire to help someone out - but when people support ubuntu, it encourages others to bring there ubuntu issues to #d - which would vastly lower #d value for actually supported Debian |
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| 17:24.00 | Gokee2 | zykotick9, True, hence why my first response was to send him packing to #ubuntu |
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| 17:36.33 | M-16 | hello |
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| 17:37.58 | M-16 | the whhezy's installer can't configura my network with dchp during the installation, while squeeze and previous releases worke. I tried the dvd with firmwaree icluded too and still doesn't work. Is this a bug? |
| 17:38.59 | bucketm0use | Hello. I have a Hyper-V machine running Debian. It was installed with Release 6.0.7. I recently updated all of the packages to wheezy (following the Wheezy release notes / guide). My issue is that lsb_release -a still reports 'Release: 6.0.7 / (squeeze)'. My kernel is 3.2.0-0. If there's any additional information I can provide please let me know. Thanks! |
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| 17:40.37 | mecool | :) |
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| 17:45.27 | nvz | bucketm0use: my best wild guess would be either you didn't upgrade everything or somehow the server reverted stuff.. idk about anyone else but running linux on a windows server is FAR from my scope |
| 17:45.43 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: whats in /etc/debian_version |
| 17:46.02 | bucketm0use | ChrisH, 6.0.7 |
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| 17:46.50 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: and dpkg -l base-files |
| 17:46.53 | dD | Hi Everyone. I'm trying to get alt+shift+tab to be reverse alt tab. I can configure it so alt control tab will be reverse alt tab, and any other combination, but when using shift it's ignored. Any help? |
| 17:47.06 | bucketm0use | ii base-files 6.0squeeze7 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 17:47.08 | canar | apt-get install -t experimental systemd |
| 17:47.14 | canar | i like to live dangerously :3 |
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| 17:47.34 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: looks like your update did not worked as smooth it looked like |
| 17:47.52 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: what did you do to upgrade? |
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| 17:48.50 | bucketm0use | ChrisH, I've had this on the backburner for a couple weeks and I didn't write down my steps. However if I remember correctly - updated apt/sources.list with the wheezy mirrors - apt-update / dist-upgrade / reboot / apt-ugprade |
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| 17:50.16 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: I would check the sources.list again; and run the these command with -s (simulate) again to check if it changes anyhting. |
| 17:50.33 | bucketm0use | ChrisH, thank you. I will look at that. |
| 17:51.30 | ChrisH | bucketm0use: and/or check dpkg -l | grep whee to see if there are some updated packages on the system |
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| 18:01.49 | enleth | So, I have an up-to-date wheeze and the openconnect package available for it is version 3.20 from 2011, while I'd like to have the latest 5.x from jessie - what do I do? |
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| 18:02.56 | nvz | ,versions openconnect |
| 18:02.57 | judd | Package: openconnect on i386 -- squeeze: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.20-4; jessie: 5.01-1; sid: 5.01-1 |
| 18:03.28 | nvz | enleth: well first you check to see if its on backports, then if not, you follow simple sid backport proceedure |
| 18:03.44 | nvz | the first part of that being part of the SSB proceedure :-P |
| 18:04.01 | nvz | !ssb |
| 18:04.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 18:06.39 | enleth | nvz: thanks |
| 18:06.45 | nvz | dD: your question seems to be related to window mangement.. and there are over a dozen window managers.. specifying which one you're talking about tends to help.. |
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| 18:07.04 | thunder1212 | hi |
| 18:07.08 | nvz | dD: I for one use sawfish and I know it can do this easily.. as it has bindings for cycling in both directions |
| 18:07.36 | nvz | thunder1212: not yet, but we're working on it. Is there something you need help with? |
| 18:07.46 | nvz | enleth: no worries ;) |
| 18:08.12 | jharri34 | hello all i'm wondering can anyone help me add the 32 bit binaries to my Debian 7 install without deleting or replacing my 64bit libc? |
| 18:08.22 | jharri34 | please explain like im 5 |
| 18:08.29 | nvz | heh |
| 18:08.49 | thunder1212 | nvz: what not yet? |
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| 18:09.27 | nvz | thunder1212: you said "hi" I said "not yet, but we're working on it.." flew way over your head.. |
| 18:09.32 | enleth | nvz: looks like I'll have to use a builder chroot, live-build doesn't seem to support any kind of on-demand src deb building and that's what I'm using right now |
| 18:09.40 | narcos | Hi all. How can I programatically edit the Gnome menu structure? i.e. add some folders and programs etc |
| 18:09.53 | enleth | nvz: I mean, the aforementioned wheezy system is built using live-build |
| 18:10.25 | thunder1212 | nvz: Ok.i want to install debian, so will a live disk be ok? |
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| 18:10.47 | nvz | thunder1212: its ok with me... heh.. personally I'd use the netinst in most cases |
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| 18:11.20 | nvz | narcos: in theory this is done with alacarte or used to be anyhow idk about gnome 3 |
| 18:11.29 | thunder1212 | nvz: why do some people recommend the dvd for install? |
| 18:11.50 | narcos | nvz: I'll google that |
| 18:12.13 | enleth | nvz: but at least I know what to do now, thanks |
| 18:12.31 | narcos | nvz: Hm, this is an interacive tool though, hey? I want my script to add menu items |
| 18:12.39 | nvz | thunder1212: maybe those people are stupid or know more about the specific case than I do... netinst has the advantage of pulling up-to-date packages right from the servers and downloading only whats needed when its needed.. however if you're gonna install many systems all at the same time a DVD or apt-caching proxy might be more desireable |
| 18:13.29 | thunder1212 | nvz: and do i download the default gnome? |
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| 18:13.50 | nvz | narcos: then you probably need to read up on the debian "menu" system |
| 18:13.51 | nvz | !menu |
| 18:13.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>. |
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| 18:14.56 | nvz | thunder1212: I'm not understanding your line of questioning and you're not getting that hint.. maybe you should back up and explain what it is you're trying to do and we can maybe tell you what you need to do to accomplish that |
| 18:15.31 | narcos | nvz: ta! |
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| 18:15.39 | M-16 | the whhezy's installer can't configura my network with dchp during the installation, while squeeze and previous releases worke. I tried the dvd with firmwaree icluded too and still doesn't work. Is this a bug? |
| 18:15.51 | acu | how can I know which ethernet asigment (eth0, eth1, eth3) corespond tio which card manufacturer in my server ? I know it from lspci |
| 18:16.13 | movl | acu, the MAC |
| 18:17.06 | nvz | M-16: read that earlier, its still in my buffer, still not answering it for the same reason... 1) I don't know why your dhcp is working for all I know you don't have a dhcp server or a clue 2) without knowing why it doesn't work I can't tell you if its a bug.. try rephrasing your question when someone doesn't answer and you think to ask it again |
| 18:17.22 | nvz | M-16: sounds to me like you're having a problem installing debian totally irrelevant to your question |
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| 18:19.52 | nvz | acu: I usually compare info manually from ifconfig and dmesg like the hardware address.. probably an easier way but thats the best I can give you |
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| 18:20.23 | M-16 | nvz, then answer this one: Why squeeze installs om my pc without problems while wheezy con't configure the network? |
| 18:20.39 | acu | mov1 and nvz thanks - yes, that might be the case, MAC is the best - could do some lspci -v probably ifconfig -v |
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| 18:21.24 | nvz | M-16: not a clue... if your butt itched and your right finger stunk but your left one didn't I could probably take a wild guess why.. but this question isn't that straighforward |
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| 18:22.04 | nvz | acu: easier to grep eth /var/log/dmesg cause it has that info all in one place |
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| 18:28.16 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 18:31.27 | babilen | ivanovnegro: Turn that off please - thank you |
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| 18:33.26 | Azrael_- | has anybody experience with confixx on debian wheezy? searched the whole net so far and haven't found anything about it. needed some hints how to get it working |
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| 18:36.26 | thunder1212 | the live debian version is 7.0 and the cd or dvd 7.1.0? |
| 18:37.03 | nvz | acu: probably can't find anything cause it looks like they've discontinued the product or merged/renamed it to something else since Wheezy released |
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| 18:37.08 | nvz | Azrael_-: ^ |
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| 18:38.11 | Azrael_- | nvz: yeah, but even plesk isn't working on wheezy so far |
| 18:38.16 | nvz | thunder1212: the point releases are just security updates and its a whole lot more work to re-create the live cds on a daily basis, the creation of ISO images is fully automated with scripts as I understand |
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| 18:38.46 | nvz | Azrael_-: most people who use debian got the sense to not use web based configuration tools.. its probably not anyone's priority to get things working where they won't be used |
| 18:40.38 | nvz | Azrael_-: the only people who might be able to help you is the company who makes the stuff.. and if they cant you need to think long and hard about using the stuff |
| 18:41.07 | nvz | maybe its time to just start configuring debian via ssh like the rest of us do.. where all the utilities are WELL documented and supported here |
| 18:41.43 | Azrael_- | nvz: i agree with you for lots of servers but if you have users who have to have the option to change/set up webhosting-settings you need some "fancy" webconfiguration as you'll never want them to get them direct server access. they also won't even try to learn it |
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| 18:43.00 | jharri34 | I'm trying to enable multi-arch but i receive the following error http://pastebin.com/A9xjXQ2d |
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| 18:43.21 | jharri34 | on debian 7 64bit |
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| 18:44.11 | nvz | Azrael_-: I see the problem there, I really do.. but I also see that as not my problem... I dont thing people who can't be trusted and don't know what they're doing should be changing anything on my server.. the only reason why some people do this is to make a quick buck off random idiots wanting servers.. and those people need to realize thats not what debian users sitting on freenode supporting debian for free, are here for.. to help you with 3rd party softwar |
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| 18:45.50 | nvz | jharri34: try running apt-get update, and then try specifying the package held back specifically if it happens again |
| 18:46.43 | nl287 | when wayland yutani replace xorg in debian? |
| 18:46.51 | jharri34 | nvz: o |
| 18:46.55 | jharri34 | nvz: ok |
| 18:47.12 | nvz | its just an empty metapackage anyhow by the look of it |
| 18:47.25 | thunder1212 | nvz: how do i add a windows list in gnome 3 shell? |
| 18:47.30 | jharri34 | nvz: that worked thanks alot |
| 18:48.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell nl287 about WIR |
| 18:48.17 | nvz | thunder1212: no clue.. as far as I could tell when I tried gnome3 you can't do anything.. its a huge LEAP backwards.. in gnome 2.x you could right click on stuff and change it.. now we're going back to undocumented crap with manual configuration in xml files or who knows what.. |
| 18:48.34 | Azrael_- | nvz: you'd be amazed what average people can accomplish if you provide them an interface which hides most of the complexity and training them a little bit. of course part of it is for webhosting providing some bucks and also the average ppl mostly not being interested in supporting 3rd party software, but it could have happened somebody in here had some experience in this topic anyway and would |
| 18:48.35 | Azrael_- | had some quick resources to share. like it's now i'll probably just start off myself, see how far i can get and then try some specific general questions until i understand everything well enough myself to sort it out myself |
| 18:49.06 | nvz | Azrael_-: well you tried anyhow.. doesn't seem like anyone knows. |
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| 18:49.25 | thunder1212 | nvz: what do you use then? |
| 18:49.25 | Azrael_- | nvz: yeah, unfortunately :) but it was worth a try |
| 18:49.53 | nvz | jharri34: no problem. usually when you get that error its just the stale package cache pointing to a package version that don't exist anymore or something of the sort |
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| 18:50.25 | nvz | thunder1212: I'm using the 3rd party mate repos (a gnome 2.x clone) with a hand rolled copy of sawfish 1.8.1 as my window manager |
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| 18:50.43 | nvz | and loving it.. heh |
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| 18:51.02 | nvz | well its a fork not a clone |
| 18:51.14 | Azrael_- | thanks anyway for responding |
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| 18:51.23 | jharri34 | nvz: thanks i tried once before and apt-get update deleted my 64bit libc-binaries i had to do a fresh install behind it |
| 18:52.15 | thunder1212 | http://xwinman.org/sawfish.php this + http://mate-desktop.org/ this? |
| 18:52.58 | Konomi | hey peeps why does xorg have both an Xorg binary and an X binary? |
| 18:53.06 | Konomi | aka this |
| 18:53.07 | Konomi | xserver-xorg: /usr/bin/X |
| 18:53.07 | Konomi | xserver-xorg-core: /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 18:53.29 | nvz | thunder1212: that would be it.. the way gnome USED to work a LONG time ago.. before metacity wm, before gnome3.. |
| 18:53.54 | thunder1212 | ok |
| 18:53.54 | nvz | for people who want control of their desktop without having to piss around with annoying crap |
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| 18:57.33 | nvz | Konomi: I think X just starts whichever server.. on linux and such its Xorg, on Win32 is Xwin on OSX its Xquartz |
| 18:57.54 | Konomi | hum okay |
| 18:57.54 | nvz | the X binary is way smaller than the Xorg one |
| 18:58.03 | nvz | makes me think its just calling something else |
| 18:58.13 | nvz | you could always run it with strace to see.. |
| 18:58.31 | Konomi | idk how to strace hehe |
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| 18:58.55 | nvz | strace is a cool tool to learn to use.. |
| 18:59.13 | Konomi | I will have to sometime but I already got off on a tangent from what I should be doing with this curiousity |
| 18:59.32 | nvz | heh.. that has been known to happen on freenode |
| 18:59.35 | thunder1212 | nvz: bye |
| 18:59.59 | nvz | thunder1212: I'm not going anywhere :-P |
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| 19:03.31 | nvz | on second thought.. maybe I will go somewhere.. heh |
| 19:04.18 | sharky | nvz, where? |
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| 19:04.31 | nvz | idk.. wander aimlessly.. lookin for trouble |
| 19:05.01 | sharky | :D |
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| 19:05.57 | nvz | someone who looks like the got a cigarette and needs robbed.. that sorta thing.. |
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| 19:07.36 | innmalint | Did I do something wrong? On a fresh install, enabled sid. apt-get dist-upgrade. aptitude install linux-image-3.9-1 linux-headers-3.9-1. aptitude install nvidia-kernel-3.9-1. reboot, aaaannnd black screen. no conflicting packages or errors prior to reboot |
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| 19:07.50 | sharky | thats what I was thinking also to tell to Konomi, learn on the fly man, if you need strace, open the man research a bit on google and just use it |
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| 19:08.45 | Konomi | innmalint: tried switch to a text console with ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 19:08.59 | innmalint | I can reboot blindly from a tty. but nothing shows. |
| 19:09.11 | Konomi | what version of nvidia drivers? |
| 19:09.32 | Konomi | whatever is in sid I presume? |
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| 19:09.53 | innmalint | augh...i only install nvidia-kernel-3.9-1. I should've read what dependencies it was installing along with and if it included the driver (which was my assumption) |
| 19:09.59 | Konomi | so 319.32 |
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| 19:10.02 | sharky | innmalint, you wanted to upgrade from the testing sid to the unstable "idk what is its name?" |
| 19:10.13 | Konomi | you never installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:10.54 | innmalint | so many nvidia packages. i thought nvidia-kernel was the driver |
| 19:10.58 | Konomi | fi you do that have that driver version you might be getting bitten by this bug: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/551709/linux/319-32-the-infamous-blank-black-screen-/ |
| 19:11.14 | Konomi | no |
| 19:11.26 | Konomi | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is the catch all package for the binary driver |
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| 19:12.34 | innmalint | so my packages should be: nvidia-kernel-3.9-1, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, nvidia-settings |
| 19:13.03 | sharky | innmalint, why did you use dist-upgrade? I just checked testing is "jessie" and unstable is "sid", you can not go further than sid |
| 19:13.17 | Konomi | there's a few others you may need but yes xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is the one that pulls in most of the binary driver |
| 19:13.39 | Konomi | he likes living on the edge perhaps :3 ? |
| 19:14.23 | sharky | but he is on the *bleeding* edge with sid, as far as I can tell, and can not go further, no dist-upgrade, just upgrade |
| 19:14.41 | innmalint | it's a stupid situation that i can't figure out a straight answer to. I have this gaming mouse i got for christmas that locks up unless i have usb support from a kernel > 3.7. sid conveniently has 3.9-1 and is incredibly easy to install. |
| 19:14.59 | Konomi | testing just got 3.9 lately you know |
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| 19:15.22 | Konomi | you didn't have to go full sid hehe |
| 19:15.41 | sharky | but testing is "jessie" not "sid" |
| 19:16.44 | innmalint | i went back to w8 because i didn't understand the terminology on all of this. i read that installing single packages from sid (unstable, right?) causes problems. if i don't have to go "full sid" i would prefer not to. |
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| 19:17.10 | Konomi | since 3.9 is in testing now you could just use it |
| 19:17.18 | sharky | innmalint, I see, but when you use dist-upgrade, it means you upgrade to the next release, so # apt-get upgrade is just when you upgrade the packages for the current release you are on |
| 19:17.59 | innmalint | Konomi I just read what you said about testing, skimmed that over at first. so should I replace wheezy with jessy in sources.list or just add another line with jessy? |
| 19:18.17 | Konomi | don't want to imagine the mess that would make |
| 19:18.28 | sharky | innmalint, also "sid" is *bleeding* edge man, so you have to expect many things to break, it is not even testing :D |
| 19:18.45 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 19:18.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.1-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 19:18.54 | Konomi | I've already had to patch and recompile a package out of testing for the second |
| 19:18.57 | Konomi | record |
| 19:19.12 | babilen | 3.9 is in wheezy-backports and can be installed from there on stable without any problems whatsoever |
| 19:19.15 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 19:19.16 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 19:19.40 | sharky | babilen, nice |
| 19:19.48 | innmalint | awesome, thanks babilen. |
| 19:19.52 | babilen | ^^^ instructions for doing so. You can send our bot a private message to inquire about the "links" in <…> -- For example: "/msg dpkg backports" |
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| 19:21.38 | babilen | innmalint: Unfortunately (reading the backlog) it sounds as if you already broke your system by installing packages from unstable. I am not 100% sure, but it might be that installing the nvidia kernel pulled in packages from unstable apart from the kernel. |
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| 19:22.19 | babilen | innmalint: The recommended way to install the nvidia drivers is by using the "DKMS" (see "/msg dpkg dkms") packages as detailed on our wiki. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:22.40 | dmannn | hey guys short question ... backup solution for win08 servers virtualization on ESXi .... backuppc or bacula or something different ? |
| 19:22.42 | innmalint | i still had linux 3.2 in my grub menu. i'm back on it and gonna see what happens if i revert my sources.list. if it screws up i don't mind a reinstall -- i had issues with dkms last time but that's probably a user error |
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| 19:22.59 | Ritzton | hello |
| 19:24.00 | babilen | innmalint: I've seen many users who installed the DKMS drivers without any problem whatsoever. As said earlier: you already mixed stable with unstable and the damage might be impossible to repair. |
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| 19:24.50 | innmalint | i'm already reinstalling. not worth extra hassle when an install takes ~15 minutes |
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| 19:25.05 | babilen | innmalint: Could you run "dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'" before changing your sources.list and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 19:25.14 | babilen | innmalint: Fair enough :) |
| 19:25.28 | sharky | babilen, how can I get what arguments dpkg can get in /msg dpkg argument |
| 19:25.30 | innmalint | much simpler. i'm in awe at the complexity of that command tohugh |
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| 19:26.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell sharky -about dpkgbot |
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| 19:26.21 | innmalint | babilen: upgrade kernel from backports, then install nvidia-kernel-dkms along with drivers (xserver-xorg-video-nvidia)? |
| 19:26.30 | sharky | innmalint, don't worry man with the time you learn everything (or enough to feel super convinient) |
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| 19:27.39 | sharky | babilen, 10x |
| 19:28.03 | innmalint | sharky: i was there until I got this cursed mouse. It's really nice but won't work without support from a newer kernel, which seems ridiculous, and I feel much more comfortable doing an upgrade than a patch, which I don't even know if that's a viable option |
| 19:28.15 | babilen | innmalint: Well, install the kernel and headers (essentially "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64") from backports. You can then install the nvidia dkms package by running "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" and continue with the configuration as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
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| 19:29.14 | babilen | innmalint: I assume that you have a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/17140/ |
| 19:29.25 | babilen | innmalint: Do you have an Intel or AMD processor? |
| 19:29.31 | innmalint | intel |
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| 19:30.07 | sharky | innmalint, I see, and that should be a mouse with a fancy new chip that has a driver only in the new kernels |
| 19:30.46 | babilen | innmalint: Okay, I would also recommend to install <microcode> (essentially upgrades for your processors software) by installing the "intel-microcode" package and firmware packages (also from backports, so "apt-get -t wheezy-backport install intel-microcode firmware-linux") |
| 19:31.05 | innmalint | sharky: I think it has it's own ARM processor in it. Only reason I use it is because I'd feel guilty not using it. Plus the right side buttons are pretty convenient for page up/page down |
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| 19:31.31 | babilen | innmalint: You might have to install additional firmware packages to get your wireless running (or other hardware) -- All these packages should match the kernel and should therefore also be installed from backports. |
| 19:31.55 | innmalint | by all these, you're referring to the kernel, nvidia drivers, and microcode? |
| 19:32.02 | babilen | exactly |
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| 19:32.21 | innmalint | I feel almost confident about this now! haha |
| 19:32.48 | babilen | innmalint: You would, essentially, end up running something like "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 intel-microcode firmware-linux" (+ other firmware-* packages as needed) |
| 19:34.06 | babilen | innmalint: Just remember: Backports are okay, but you should never mix stable with testing or unstable. Doing so will break your system. (if not immediately then at one point) If a package is not available in the official backports repository you can probably backport it yourself by following the instructions in <ssb> (stands for "simple sid backport") |
| 19:34.32 | innmalint | babilen: you made this too easy. i have a network install with about 10 minutes left but I have a pretty clear idea of what to do. and if i can stick with stable, i'll definitely stay there |
| 19:34.33 | babilen | innmalint: I have to run now - Do you have any other questions that I might be able to answer now or anything else that I should clarify? |
| 19:35.23 | innmalint | babilen: I think I'm good. i already expect problems from dkms but this seems like a really sound method, unlike how i probably tried in the past. thank you very much |
| 19:35.58 | babilen | innmalint: Well, it boils down to: Use http://paste.debian.net/17140/ as /etc/apt/sources.list, run "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade". Then continue with the install-from-backports step and create the configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-nvidia.conf (the number is not really important) as described on the wiki |
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| 19:36.11 | babilen | innmalint: Have fun :) |
| 19:36.51 | babilen | Just saw that you people were discussing the 3.9 kernel from testing/unstable and thought I point out the "official" method :) |
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| 20:01.00 | danharibo | hi |
| 20:01.02 | VitaoDoidao | people, anybody know any alternative for vyzex and battery 3 ? i need to make use of my akai mpd26 on my linux. may anobody help me, please? thx |
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| 20:01.40 | danharibo | What is the difference between the DVD and CD images? I'm currently trying to install debian testing and I only have access to wlan, will using the DVD image get me to a "working" state? |
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| 20:03.10 | tremon | both the cd and dvd can install a desktop environment. Obviously, the dvd contains more packages |
| 20:03.38 | tremon | iirc there are separate CDs for kde/gnome/lxde |
| 20:04.27 | tremon | and the wheezy installer can install through a wireless interface just fine, but I'm not sure if all wireless chipsets are supported |
| 20:04.58 | danharibo | I don't get the option to, but I am using the netinst which might not? |
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| 20:05.20 | danharibo | though if the regular install supports my chipset then I've got no issue, I'll try the CD image |
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| 20:05.38 | tremon | it's possible that your wireless interface requires firmware (most do), and the firmware is not included on the netinst cd |
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| 20:07.15 | tremon | !installer firmware |
| 20:07.15 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 20:07.28 | tremon | danharibo: ^ |
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| 20:09.09 | danharibo | cheers, I'll see what firmware I need |
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| 20:11.59 | teclo- | HI there, how well is the Intel HD 4600 supporter in Debian 7.x ? |
| 20:13.03 | teclo- | I mean the Intel HD 4600 video chipset which apparently is on the CPU.. |
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| 20:17.22 | musca | !intel-gfx |
| 20:17.23 | dpkg | [intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:28.47 | teclo- | thanks a lot, gonna read that |
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| 20:33.47 | teclo- | but if I don't want to use the GPU on the CPU, I still can use a gfx card like nvidia |
| 20:34.01 | php-noob | anybody knows a similar package like x11vnc for real x session? |
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| 20:35.48 | php-noob | cannot upgrade libssl due to errors and cannot install x11vnc without upgrade it |
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| 21:25.10 | tharkun | Does gdm3 when runned invokes Xsession or does it use a different method to startup X? |
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| 21:27.11 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 21:28.02 | Azrael_- | i'm just upgrading from lenny to squeeze. did a normal upgrade, want to install the kernel now but while installing the kernel apt wants to remove all php packages. why? how can i avoid this? |
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| 21:32.15 | prompt32 | tharkun, it make a .startx, yes i think |
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| 21:39.22 | tharkun | prompt32: It seems it doesn't since startx eventually calls for ~/.xinitirc and it is not beeing called whatsoever. |
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| 21:40.25 | nkuttler | tharkun: i think gdm might completely bypass the usual x startup when used with something like gnome/kde/xfce |
| 21:40.34 | nkuttler | they have their own startup methods afaik |
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| 21:41.09 | nkuttler | tharkun: but there should be some xsession or something entry in the menu |
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| 21:41.51 | tharkun | nkuttler: I was fearing that. :( I need to run xrandr --output LVDS-1 --auto --off --output VGA-1 --auto --pos 0x0 when X starts up, where is the best place to put that line? |
| 21:42.07 | nkuttler | tharkun: no idea. i like xdm |
| 21:43.08 | tharkun | nkuttler: Thanks :) |
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| 21:45.47 | gotmynick | tharkun: I don't use it neither, but a query to the online manpage for gdm3 says it tries to execute certain files |
| 21:45.51 | gotmynick | if they exist |
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| 21:48.53 | tharkun | gotmynick: Thanks completely forgot about the gdm3 man page, It hasn't been of much help in the past |
| 21:49.18 | gotmynick | see if what you want works |
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| 21:51.29 | gotmynick | alternatively, you could feed xorg maybe with some config file |
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| 21:56.28 | tharkun | gotmynick: According to me it does, yet I'll retest it |
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| 21:56.56 | quickchorgo | saludos |
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| 21:59.05 | danharibo | hmm I can't seem to get the debian installer to boot from a USB with the firmware |
| 21:59.22 | danharibo | I followed step 4.3.2 here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 21:59.29 | danharibo | and nothing happens |
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| 22:15.47 | babilen | danharibo: I would simply download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso and follow the instructions in 4.3.1 (i.e. "cp firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" |
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| 22:18.29 | hub2 | Hi, Is there a way to limit memory usage by process? |
| 22:19.52 | dysoco | was it the "nice" command? |
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| 22:20.31 | dysoco | oh, nice is for adjusting scheduling priority |
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| 22:23.21 | SineTheCreator | is there any need to defrag with debian? |
| 22:23.32 | SineTheCreator | i have literally never done that before |
| 22:23.38 | SineTheCreator | in linux, i meant |
| 22:24.05 | clue_h | SineTheCreator, i'm not sure, actually i don't think it is necessary with ext4 etc |
| 22:24.15 | SineTheCreator | i figured as much |
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| 22:25.49 | danharibo | babilen: I tried that.. I don't get prompted for WPA settings at any point and it just tries to do DHCP on eth0. |
| 22:26.01 | White_Light | You generally shouldn't need to defrag ext4, as it does a good job of minimizing fragmentation |
| 22:26.23 | White_Light | if you want/need to you could use the GParted Live CD to defrag I believe |
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| 22:38.11 | SmashingX | how can I get out from tty1? |
| 22:38.19 | SmashingX | I press ctrl+f1 |
| 22:38.30 | SmashingX | and now how can I get back to where I was |
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| 22:40.34 | socomm | SmashingX: atl+alt+F8 |
| 22:40.58 | SmashingX | alt+alt? |
| 22:41.03 | SmashingX | what you mean by that? |
| 22:41.05 | socomm | ctl+f8 |
| 22:41.21 | socomm | SmashingX: varies from distro-to-distro |
| 22:41.25 | socomm | SmashingX: might be ctl+f6 |
| 22:41.42 | socomm | wat the fuck is wrong with me |
| 22:41.46 | SmashingX | I did alt+alt+F8 |
| 22:41.46 | socomm | slaps himself |
| 22:41.50 | socomm | its ALT+Fn |
| 22:41.58 | socomm | SmashingX: try ALT+F8 |
| 22:42.02 | socomm | SmashingX: or ALT+F6 |
| 22:42.20 | socomm | SmashingX: one of those should work |
| 22:42.22 | SmashingX | I did alt f6 |
| 22:42.29 | SmashingX | and it's just there |
| 22:42.31 | SmashingX | hanging |
| 22:42.43 | SmashingX | F6 says tt6 |
| 22:43.12 | mathisen | i need to resize a ntfs partition but when i open gparted i just shows as a 931 GB unnalocated partition but i have it mounted and have 400 GB of stuff on it ... any ideas |
| 22:43.13 | SmashingX | oh It was alt F7 |
| 22:43.16 | SmashingX | thanks |
| 22:44.12 | socomm | mathisen: you won't be able to re-size a mounted partition |
| 22:44.32 | jhutchins | I can never remember the command to open a file in a gui app from the console. |
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| 22:45.03 | SmashingX | socomm: are those the same as the terminal? |
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| 22:45.11 | SmashingX | or what's the difference? |
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| 22:45.34 | jhutchins | socomm: Almost all distros do 6 tty's and X on 7. |
| 22:45.47 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 22:46.13 | socomm | jhutchins: my experience is on 8 |
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| 22:46.38 | jhutchins | socomm: Not with standard distributions. |
| 22:46.40 | mathisen | socomm, i unmouted it still the same |
| 22:46.52 | socomm | jhutchins: if you say so |
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| 22:47.38 | jhutchins | The only reason it shows up on 8 is if something's already o7 - like another X session. |
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| 22:50.07 | mathisen | i get this warning msg |
| 22:50.08 | mathisen | /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table? |
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| 22:50.36 | socomm | mathisen: paste it into google |
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| 22:52.31 | critter | hi there, what is the name of the /dev for soundcards? |
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| 22:55.03 | SmashingX | socomm: are those the same as the terminal? |
| 22:55.17 | socomm | SmashingX: what are you referring to? |
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| 22:55.27 | SmashingX | the tty1-7 |
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| 22:55.41 | SmashingX | I mean to 6 |
| 22:55.57 | critter | hi there, what is the name of soundcards con /dev? |
| 22:56.01 | mumpitze1 | critter: /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
| 22:56.47 | socomm | SmashingX: those are virtual terminals |
| 22:57.00 | socomm | SmashingX: the 'terminal' you use within X/GNOME/KDE are terminal emulators |
| 22:57.19 | socomm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console_%28computer_user-interface%29 |
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| 22:57.29 | SmashingX | so basically the terminal are emulating the virtual terminal or virtual console? |
| 22:57.43 | socomm | SmashingX: yes |
| 22:57.59 | SmashingX | well, then I don't see any advantage one over the othrew |
| 22:58.00 | SmashingX | other |
| 22:58.02 | critter | mumpitze1: ok thx, mine is not listed, module problems I think, how can I tell via "lsmod" if kernel recognize it? |
| 22:58.02 | SmashingX | I guess |
| 22:59.29 | socomm | SmashingX: in a data center environment hardly anyone installs X (the gui), but practically everyone uses VTTY when interacting physically with the machines |
| 23:01.46 | zerick | Is it possible to run apt trough a tunnel ssh ? |
| 23:02.03 | Vicissitude | yes |
| 23:02.07 | socomm | zerick: why not |
| 23:02.10 | zerick | I can only access to a debian box but it can connect to internet |
| 23:02.18 | zerick | How could I do that ? :/ |
| 23:02.42 | zerick | * only access trough SSH |
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| 23:07.20 | critter | sorry but Im outdated with debian/linux sound... what is the current sound system? |
| 23:07.44 | socomm | critter: beats by dre |
| 23:08.55 | Vicissitude | critter, it is what you install/prefer. I have a fondness for pulseaudio but much prefer jackd |
| 23:09.10 | critter | lol... no, really, I need this for a custom appliance Im creating |
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| 23:09.22 | critter | okok |
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| 23:10.15 | critter | and OSS? ALSA? |
| 23:10.29 | Vicissitude | they exist. some people prefer them |
| 23:12.10 | danharibo | I've got a system with the right wireless driver setup |
| 23:12.25 | danharibo | I don't seem to have any of the KDE networking utilities installed howeever |
| 23:14.26 | critter | I dont understand, soundcard module seems to be loaded but in /dev/snd I only get "seq" and "timer" |
| 23:16.08 | Azrael_- | i just migrated from lenny to squeeze and it seems like the syslog-deamon went missing. what package should i use? |
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