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| 00:00.28 | hesco | georgij: have you configured rDNS for your MTA's ip address? |
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| 00:00.55 | hesco | sorry, your asking about inbound email, ignore that question. |
| 00:01.16 | georgij | hesco: nope XD |
| 00:01.17 | hesco | does your mx record resolve to your IP? |
| 00:01.29 | hesco | is your IP publically routable? |
| 00:01.50 | georgij | can I post links here? |
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| 00:02.14 | cITs | i believe so, can't see anything in the topic saying something else |
| 00:02.16 | hesco | you can, but more than two lines, the practice is to use a paste bin instead. |
| 00:02.25 | StaticLNX | hmm any way to get hexchat via apt in debian 7.10? |
| 00:02.30 | georgij | hesco: http://mxtoolbox.com/ |
| 00:02.42 | johskar | mind you it can at times take quite a while for the MX record to update across the dns servers that f.ex. gmail or outlook.com(hotmail) uses to lookup your domains MX record. |
| 00:03.07 | georgij | hesco: is it possible to find out what u need from here? I am not really sure about the DNS stuff. I purchased a DNS service and just pointed it right at the IP address |
| 00:03.36 | georgij | joshkar: Yeah, it takes from 2-10 hours |
| 00:03.49 | Scar3cr0w | I like this one http://www.brandonchecketts.com/emailtest.php |
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| 00:04.02 | Scar3cr0w | you email from your mail server and it preforms all kinds of tests for you |
| 00:04.09 | Scar3cr0w | including dkim and spf checks |
| 00:04.15 | Scar3cr0w | pretty handy |
| 00:04.17 | hesco | You need both an A record for the relevant host in your domain's zone file, as well as an MX record pointing at that host |
| 00:04.25 | hesco | A record -> ip address |
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| 00:04.33 | hesco | MX record -> hostname |
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| 00:04.51 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 00:05.52 | hesco | georgij: Scar3cr0w's advice will be helpful fo getting your outbound email accepted. Like my advice for setting up a PTR record in the zone file for your IP. |
| 00:06.04 | hesco | But your question is about routing inbound email |
| 00:06.11 | Azrael_- | do you know a source for a startup-script of teamspeak3 compatible with sysv-rc? |
| 00:06.28 | hesco | from a cli, what does host -t mx yourdomain.com say? |
| 00:06.31 | georgij | hesco: How would I find/create/fetch an A record and an MX Record? |
| 00:06.40 | Scar3cr0w | agreed hesco nailed it |
| 00:06.40 | georgij | thanks Scar3cr0w. |
| 00:06.50 | Scar3cr0w | nslookup |
| 00:06.53 | hesco | I just showed you how to query your resolver for an MX record |
| 00:07.02 | hesco | for an A record try this: |
| 00:07.08 | cITs | georgij: oh, i thought you ment redirecting account mails from google and hotmail to your server |
| 00:07.16 | hesco | host mail.yourdomain.com |
| 00:07.19 | cITs | not actually getting inbound mail from foreign accounts |
| 00:07.26 | cITs | makes some more coffee |
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| 00:08.22 | georgij | onsdagsklubben.nu mail is handled by 10 mail.onsdagsklubben.nu. |
| 00:08.51 | hesco | now show us: |
| 00:08.54 | hesco | host mail.onsdagsklubben.nu |
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| 00:09.34 | georgij | Host mail.onsdagsklubben.nu not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 00:09.47 | johskar | there's your problem allright |
| 00:09.49 | georgij | hmm... |
| 00:09.55 | georgij | awkward |
| 00:10.18 | georgij | Can I use onsdagsklubben.nu as MX Record instead? Does it matter? |
| 00:10.33 | hesco | you need to create an A record for your hostname |
| 00:10.35 | Scar3cr0w | yea I'm not seeing anything through nslookup for that domain at all |
| 00:11.10 | hesco | so your tools for doing DNS queries are bind9-host (the host command I am showing you), dig and nslookup |
| 00:11.16 | cITs | georgij: yes you can. then again you have to change the config in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 00:11.58 | hesco | does onsdagsklubben.nu have an A record? |
| 00:12.04 | georgij | hesco: Yea, I have them both installed. |
| 00:12.13 | johskar | if the mailserver is on the same ip as onsdagsklubben.nu and configured to recieve the mail on that ip, yes you can use that as mx record, but to recieve mail for onsdagsklubben.nu on onsdagsklubben.nu you don't need a mx record tbh and should just delete the record. |
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| 00:13.00 | hesco | easiest would be to create an A record for the mail host on your domain, and reserve your domain for other uses, instead of locking it down to your mail server |
| 00:13.00 | johskar | *configured to recive mail on that ip/domaninname/dns... |
| 00:13.02 | Scar3cr0w | hesco already explained it, for your dns, you need to create an "A" record that points to your IP for mail.onsdagsklubben.nu and then create an "MX" record that points to the name mail.onsdagsklubben.nu |
| 00:13.08 | georgij | joshkar: Oh, niceā¦ What if I have multiple DNS pointing to the same server then? |
| 00:13.11 | johskar | my brain is a bit slow at this hour |
| 00:13.36 | georgij | joshkar: Same here just trying to grasp all information you've provided me. |
| 00:13.42 | hesco | georgij: that is not an issue. |
| 00:13.45 | Scar3cr0w | multiple dns pointing to the same server is fine |
| 00:13.46 | cITs | georgij: then you have multiple dns pointing to the same server |
| 00:14.13 | hesco | a single physical (or virtual) server can answer requests on multiple domains |
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| 00:14.54 | georgij | hesco: OK, sorry for asking so many stupid questions. But how do I create an A record? |
| 00:15.01 | hesco | But you will only be able to assign a single PTR record to each IP address. So if you only have one IP, give some thought about which domain it claims to be. |
| 00:15.17 | hesco | go back to your DNS provider |
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| 00:15.37 | hesco | same place you created your zone file for your domain and created the MX record for it |
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| 00:16.54 | georgij | hesco: This site only gives me input for the static IP, and "one" MX record |
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| 00:19.16 | Scar3cr0w | w00t! Just got my Amazon ReInvent Registration Confirmation :D |
| 00:19.25 | Scar3cr0w | Vegas baby!!! |
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| 00:21.42 | hesco | georgij: sounds like you are using the wrong DNS provider then |
| 00:22.25 | georgij | hesco: I can add up to 5 subdomains too, might that help? :/ |
| 00:22.56 | hesco | that is enough for what you are asking us about. |
| 00:23.13 | hesco | if their language, your mail host is a subdomain |
| 00:24.05 | hesco | You want an A record for your root domain ( @ as its called in bind ), plus an A record for your mail host, even if they are the same |
| 00:25.30 | georgij | ok, so in other words, I jut have to create two new subdomains? One called root, and the other called mail? |
| 00:27.13 | hesco | you might get some milage by configuring a wildcard 'subdomain' as your provider puts it. See if you can add an A record with an '*' as its host name, or *.onsdagsklubben.nu. (include the trailing dot) and then run your host query again. Some background might help: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DNS+primer |
| 00:27.14 | hesco | no root is your domain name: onsdagsklubben.nu |
| 00:27.14 | georgij | hesco: Yes, I did that with apache |
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| 00:27.14 | georgij | hesco: OK |
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| 00:27.34 | hesco | your apache configuration only tells your web server how to route inbound requests which make it to port 80 (usually) of your box where in the filesystem to look to respond to those requests. |
| 00:27.53 | hesco | DNS tells the world how to find your domain, and routes their requests to your box. |
| 00:28.19 | hesco | two very different things |
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| 00:34.03 | georgij | hesco: Wilcards didn't seem to worked. Added a childdomain called mail.onsdagsklubben.nu, thanks very much by the way for taking your time to help me, you are AWESOME <3<3 |
| 00:35.27 | hesco | sure, np |
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| 00:35.45 | hesco | a real DNS provider would support wildcards, btw |
| 00:35.51 | hesco | who is your provider? |
| 00:35.51 | StaticLNX | ./configure: line 18523: syntax error near unexpected token `2.28.0,' |
| 00:35.52 | StaticLNX | ./configure: line 18523: `AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0(2.28.0, glib=yes, glib=no)' ? |
| 00:37.02 | georgij | hesco: nunames.nu |
| 00:37.41 | georgij | hesco: Just didn't advance to the next screen when putting wildcards :S |
| 00:39.11 | georgij | hesco: It says it's going to take about 10hours to update. Should this work after this? Or should I need to reconfigure postfix? |
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| 00:39.40 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
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| 00:41.04 | hesco | 10 hours may be the interval of the cron they use to HUP their name servers |
| 00:41.29 | FuriousGeorge | chroot jails do not prevent someone from chrooting in and changing the password, right? |
| 00:42.08 | hesco | it may be their estimate of the time required for changes to propagate through the global network of DNS servers (I tell clients that takes 72 hours, to account for caches expiring, though some servers cache results longer than that). |
| 00:42.45 | hesco | FuriousGeorge: nothing prevents root from doing anything they please on a server |
| 00:43.16 | hesco | generally what is jailed are not the users on the box, but the clients served by the chroot'd service |
| 00:43.36 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: so encryption is the only way to prevent someone with physical access to the server from inflitrating it, right? |
| 00:44.03 | hesco | georgij: reading one of those DNS primers will clarify much. |
| 00:44.46 | hesco | FuriousGeorge: if your perms permit a user to access the private keys which are used to encrypt, that won't help you. |
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| 00:45.26 | georgij | hesco: I don't even know what that is lol :( |
| 00:45.28 | hesco | what exactly is the attack vector you are concerned with? is this a shared host you are concerned with? |
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| 00:45.36 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: any suggestions for in-place encryption on a peroxmox server (which does not allow for encryption on setup) |
| 00:45.41 | FuriousGeorge | ? |
| 00:45.59 | hesco | georgij: see the web search link I posted to you above |
| 00:46.19 | georgij | hesco: Oh there! Didn't see it thanks |
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| 00:46.28 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: client is showing signs he will renege on paying. insists I train him and staff first and then he will pay. I don't believe him. trying to make the server unserviceable by 3rd parties |
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| 00:47.10 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: im concerned once I train them they get another guy to service and tell me to fly a kite, as dude is a snake (to put it mildly) |
| 00:47.18 | hesco | FuriousGeorge: I have read a bit about KVM, but have never looked at peroxmox. |
| 00:47.30 | hesco | but it sounds like you have a cultural issue not a technical one |
| 00:47.45 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: yeah, just trying to figure out how to cover my butt |
| 00:47.47 | hesco | this is a question of contracts |
| 00:48.04 | georgij | hesco: I put the same IP as the root domain for the mail.onsdagsklubben.nu |
| 00:48.30 | hesco | sounds right from what I know of your situation georgij |
| 00:48.35 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: alas I have none. I already learned that lesson. Just email correspondence showing he had previously had no problems with the terms. And a few recorded conversations. |
| 00:49.13 | hesco | email is admissable in most courts these days (at least in the usa, where I live). |
| 00:49.26 | FuriousGeorge | the terms said he could hold 10% for training. 30% is remaining. Now he wants to hold 30% and I'm saying no, but he is already reneging so I can only assume he will continue to renege |
| 00:49.54 | hesco | contract is a question of shared understanding and consideration (each party gets something from the arrangement). |
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| 00:50.33 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: you mean in the literal sense of a formal contract, or you mean e-mail correspondence can demonstrate that there is a verbal agreement? |
| 00:50.38 | hesco | sounds like you are renting a vm on your physical box to someone you don't trust to honor their agreements |
| 00:50.42 | FuriousGeorge | s/verbal/formal |
| 00:51.11 | hesco | under US common law, a contract means the existence of agreement and consideration |
| 00:51.19 | FuriousGeorge | the vm environment is at their location |
| 00:51.25 | hesco | but I say that with the caveat that I am not an attorney |
| 00:51.42 | hesco | they own the physical host machine? |
| 00:51.57 | hesco | you are doing sysadmin work for them? |
| 00:51.57 | georgij | I read this http://www.clarkconnect.com/olddocs/DNS_-_Primer but I don't see any information I can give to clarify anything. :S |
| 00:52.18 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: i know what you mean now, and I think you are right. If I email a payment schedule, and he makes a payment based on that schedule, that demonstrates he had no problems with the schedule before he had the parts installed, so why should he now |
| 00:52.26 | FuriousGeorge | yeah, they want the machine onsite |
| 00:53.12 | hesco | georgij: of course the primers are merely a shortcut. I learned about DNS by reading an earlier edition of this: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596100575.do |
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| 00:53.45 | hesco | Would still like to reread the latest edition which covers DNSSEC, and other recent inovations. |
| 00:54.08 | hesco | and they own the machine? |
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| 00:55.16 | Azrael_- | thanks to all ppl caring about the upgrade-scripts! beside some small quirks everything worked just fine |
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| 00:55.35 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: if you ask me they don't own it because they didn't pay for the job yet, but I don't have anything on record as to that |
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| 00:59.52 | hesco | who purchased the hardware? |
| 01:00.24 | hesco | FuriousGeorge: ^^^ |
| 01:00.38 | FuriousGeorge | I did, but they did give me a deposit |
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| 01:01.10 | FuriousGeorge | it became difficult to extract money from them once all the parts were installed. they should have 90% of the project paid before training, they have only 70% paid as of right now |
| 01:01.55 | dizzylizzy | This isn't exactly debian-specific but I'm not sure where else to ask, and all computers involved are running debian. I want to ssh to my desktop computer which is connected to a router that doesn't have wifi. My laptop is connected to the wifi put out directly by the cable modem. What IP would I enter to reach the desktop computer from the laptop? |
| 01:02.09 | dizzylizzy | is there some sub-network number I have to enter? I've never done this sort of thing before |
| 01:02.49 | dizzylizzy | I've only ever connected between computers on the same router before |
| 01:02.54 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: they are asking me to train them and perform some after-the-fact service before paying me 30%, but I'm sure the minute I'm done is the minute it becomes impossible to extract money from them. |
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| 01:03.19 | Azrael_- | dizzylizzy: you have to connect to the public ip of your router of the desktop-pc and in the router there you have to add a port-forwarding to your desktop for ssh |
| 01:04.19 | dizzylizzy | Azrael_-, genius, thanks |
| 01:04.25 | Azrael_- | yw |
| 01:04.32 | kanliot | dizzylizzy, is it the same router? |
| 01:04.44 | dizzylizzy | is what the same router? |
| 01:04.49 | michaelmath | I'm trying to connect my computer to the cell phone network. Is a usb cell card the best option? I want to connect my antenna directly to the linux machine though |
| 01:04.54 | dizzylizzy | There is a modem that broadcasts wifi and the router connects to the modem |
| 01:05.23 | kanliot | you sound upset |
| 01:05.28 | hesco | FuriousGeorge: I am not an attorney, and do not know what court would have jurisdiction, but if you have the invoices for the hardware and emails documenting a payment schedule are start from a strong place legally. The real question here is whether you want to do business with someone you might have to litigate with to fulfill their agreeements. |
| 01:05.29 | Azrael_- | dizzylizzy: then you just have to use the internal ip of your desktop-pc |
| 01:06.10 | hesco | dizzylizzy: the real question here is whether the two machines are routable from one another. |
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| 01:06.56 | hesco | you might consider using dyndns to provide a routable address to a dhcp provided IP which would otherwise not be routable. |
| 01:07.13 | kanliot | i think dizzylizzy has 2 routers |
| 01:07.17 | kanliot | which is wird |
| 01:07.39 | hesco | good folks whose infrastructure is built in perl as I understand it. They support the perl community at any rate. |
| 01:08.00 | dizzylizzy | No. My modem acts as a wireless router, but only has a single ethernet out port, so I have to use a separate router to get multiple ethernet cables running to various machines |
| 01:08.18 | kanliot | ok whatever |
| 01:08.24 | kanliot | you don't sound angry either |
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| 01:08.58 | dizzylizzy | sighs |
| 01:09.19 | Azrael_- | dizzylizzy: router or switch? |
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| 01:11.36 | Crumbz | Hey guys I'm having an issue with wicd - the log says "wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed".. I'm not very good with wireless.. Any ideas? |
| 01:12.10 | Crumbz | I should note hat I can't authenticate |
| 01:13.08 | michaelmath | ahaha ubuntu forums hacked |
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| 01:19.00 | FuriousGeorge | hesco: as soon as this is done they pay in advance at double my rate, or they find a new guy. I need them as a client like I need a new hole in my cranium |
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| 01:21.54 | FuriousGeorge | they can try to find someone for less that does proxmox and freeswitch where we are, and they will not |
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| 01:22.17 | FuriousGeorge | at least not for less |
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| 01:26.38 | aegis | Hi all... I'm having trouble troubleshooting my bind9 setup. I have a router with dnsmasq that forwards dns requests to my debian box running bind9. Unfortunately, the requests sent that refer to local hosts are responded to by bind9 with NXDOMAIN. However, if I use send the requests via dig or nslookup drectly to the bind9 server, it resolves the address. Any ideas? |
| 01:27.41 | aegis | Oh, and external websits (www.google.com, etc.) resolve without a problem. |
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| 01:34.30 | FuriousGeorge | gotta run. thanks hesco |
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| 01:37.53 | vale__ | Hey, can anyone please help me? I restarted Debian and startx stopped working because of an FGLRX issue which in turn I believe is because my xorg.conf file got messed up.. But I don't know how to properly configure it and fix it ;_; |
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| 01:38.42 | Azrael_- | restore it from backup? :) |
| 01:38.56 | vale__ | No backup T_T |
| 01:39.15 | Azrael_- | i know, that's common. sorry, no idea |
| 01:39.33 | vale__ | Thank for at least for the suggestion ^^ |
| 01:39.37 | vale__ | Thank you * |
| 01:39.38 | voytek | vale__: have you tried removing the xorg.conf and seeing if X can auto-detect? |
| 01:39.44 | voytek | its pretty smart these days |
| 01:39.50 | vale__ | No, I'll do that now, thanks for the idea voytek |
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| 01:40.13 | Arrowmaster | its suggested to not have an xorg.conf anymore |
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| 01:41.17 | vale__ | voytek: I love you, that did the trick; Thanks! :) |
| 01:41.43 | aegis | ha |
| 01:42.00 | vale__ | Fastest linux related issue I have ever had solved, haha |
| 01:42.14 | voytek | its nice to feel loved when you're hanging out in irc on a saturday night |
| 01:42.22 | vale__ | :P |
| 01:42.46 | vale__ | All the cool people spend their weekends alone on linux IRC channels ;) |
| 01:43.00 | Azrael_- | i've create a custom startup-script for teamspeak 3 and now i got this process stalled: startpar -f -- ts3server_startscript.sh any idea why and how i could resolve this? |
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| 01:43.58 | MrHatter | how do i upgrade from squeeze to wheezy without having to re-enter samba users passwords ? |
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| 01:45.50 | Azrael_- | do you really have to re-enter them? |
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| 01:48.07 | nvz | idk I just got here and have no idea what you're talking about ;) |
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| 01:48.29 | MrHatter | azrael_, yep |
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| 01:48.41 | sim590 | anyone knows how I can switch network using wpa_cli? |
| 01:48.48 | MrHatter | i am guessing the password mechanism changed |
| 01:49.01 | sim590 | I do: "$ wpa_cli select_network <id>" but the ip is not refreshed |
| 01:49.16 | nvz | sim590: then do dhclient on the interface |
| 01:49.40 | nvz | seems like the obvious solution to that problem |
| 01:49.45 | sim590 | it tries to reassociate but it's stuck at "4WAY handshake" step |
| 01:49.58 | sim590 | nvz: it sometimes work |
| 01:50.06 | sim590 | but not all the time.. sometimes it get's stuck |
| 01:50.17 | nvz | idk how that works from the command line but I'd imagine you need to specify the network key somehow |
| 01:50.41 | sim590 | nvz: what do you mean by "network key"? |
| 01:50.44 | nvz | I use network-manager and I dont even think about my network configuration anymore |
| 01:50.48 | sim590 | nvz: network id? |
| 01:50.53 | nvz | sim590: is this a secured network? |
| 01:51.09 | sim590 | nvz: yes.. it's all configured in my wpa_supplicant.conf file |
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| 01:52.15 | nvz | network-manager used to suck.. now it does pretty much everything seamlessly.. VPN, whatever.. if I plug in an andriod cell phone it'll automatically get online through the cell network.. I dont even think about setting stuff up anymore I just flip this network switch on my thinkpad and it gets online |
| 01:52.44 | sim590 | nvz: I can't use that.. I run spectrwm/scrotwm and it can't start in there |
| 01:53.02 | sim590 | I even tried to use "nmcli" but it fails too |
| 01:53.04 | nvz | never heard of those |
| 01:53.09 | sim590 | wpa_cli si my only solution |
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| 01:53.55 | nvz | idk sounds like the kinda issue you descibe could be interference or hardware like the noise floor calibration routines in the driver are crappy or the antenna is messed up |
| 01:54.13 | nvz | if its random intermittant crap its usually weak signal or interference issues |
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| 01:54.29 | sim590 | nvz: network-manager works when I go in "lxde" |
| 01:54.50 | sim590 | nvz: oh you talking about wpa_cli/dhclient issue right |
| 01:55.35 | nvz | yeah I thought thats what we were talking about.. you have random network issues where its not fully connecting |
| 01:55.51 | nvz | sounds like hardware on one end or the other or somewhere inbetween.. |
| 01:56.20 | nvz | reset router, check signal strength.. look around for shit that could be interfering with signal.. look in dmesg for noise floor calibration messages.. etc |
| 01:56.33 | sim590 | but.. look at this: I have two networks (A and B) configured and I'm in range of both. A has a better signal (according to what wpa_cli says) than B. But it automatically uses B.. I try to switch using "$ wpa_cli select <A_id>" and it just fails or it's horribly long" |
| 01:57.00 | sim590 | nvz: yeah... ok maybe the network A is having trouble |
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| 01:57.37 | sim590 | so wpa_cli select_network <network_id> is the right thing to do you think? |
| 01:57.46 | sim590 | if I want to switch |
| 01:57.55 | nvz | see already sounds like I'm right.. its like when I was at school and we had a perfectly good wired network and for whatever reason against my advice they had me go and put wireless adapters in all the desktops with like 4 computer labs with say 20 or more computers side by side (desktops mind you) and put wifi in them.. then we started having all kinds of problems |
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| 01:58.01 | nvz | too much radio too small of a space.. |
| 01:58.03 | nvz | its a bad idea |
| 01:58.33 | nvz | bitched at my parents for doing the same thing at their house.. ripped out the wired network I had setup for them.. went all wifi and now bitch about issues |
| 01:59.37 | zykotick9 | nvz: "but wires are ugly" ;) i actually just switched to mainly wireless networking (required a big cache for mplayer ;) |
| 01:59.43 | sim590 | nvz: yeah.. well it's possible it's some physical issue |
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| 02:00.25 | sim590 | I'll do some tests.. soooo, I'll most certainly lose connection... ciao! |
| 02:00.29 | nvz | yeah they're ugly but when it works and there is no real need you don't switch for no reason.. especially like at that school where it was block walls with big metal desktops with antennas all hanging out the back side by side by side by side.. ugh.. |
| 02:00.50 | nvz | you're just creating one big mess is all you're doing there.. its no wonder the connections were cutting out every 5 seconds |
| 02:01.19 | nvz | they're all communicating.. some 180 machines within a 300ft area on the same frequency.. |
| 02:01.41 | vale__ | I use a 45 ft ethernet cable strecthing downstairs to upstairs and across a room.. I personally don't mind the sight of an ethernet cable or think it is ugly enough to deal with wifi packet loss :p |
| 02:01.43 | nvz | at a high band that bounces off everything |
| 02:01.45 | nvz | heh |
| 02:01.52 | nvz | you can't fix stupid.. |
| 02:02.04 | zykotick9 | nvz: i'd taked "wired" over "wireless" anyday, but esthetics in living space does mean somthing ;) |
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| 02:02.47 | nvz | yeah if you're just doing it at home with like 5 devices or something and you're not in a really dense residential situation like an apartment building with other overlapping signals on the same channel, then its not an issue |
| 02:02.59 | nvz | and if they're wireless worthy devices like mobile stuff |
| 02:03.04 | daveee123 | in gnome3/debian7.0.0 how do i make a .exe show up as an icon in the applications overview? |
| 02:03.24 | nvz | if you are going wifi with an 5 stationary devices all in one entertainment stand.. thats a bad idea |
| 02:03.45 | nvz | daveee123: you want the icon thats embedded in the exe file? |
| 02:04.11 | zykotick9 | nvz: cetainly, my "home server" is connected to my router directly by ethernet, so when i really need bandwidth = use the directly connected server, and not the crappy wireless ;) i'm way to OT at this point, best of luck. |
| 02:04.38 | daveee123 | nvz: the icon doesn't matter. it would be nice if i could choose. but i just want to make the executable file show up in the application overview |
| 02:04.49 | nvz | Idk what the application overview is |
| 02:04.52 | voytek | ethernet cables strewn every which place till i moved in with a woman |
| 02:04.54 | voytek | sigh |
| 02:05.12 | daveee123 | nvz: it's in gnome3 |
| 02:05.51 | zykotick9 | voytek: lol, i believe my attempt to remove ethernet cables (and speaker cables) was in fact, an attempt at encouraging female acceptance ;) |
| 02:05.53 | nvz | yeah I gathered as much.. you see how getting support with that is gonna be an issue since none of us really use it.. but since I'm sitting here doing nothing I'll fgi and see what I can gather |
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| 02:08.03 | nvz | daveee123: kind of looks to me like it still uses the old desktop entry format which has an Icon= field in the .desktop file for the launcher |
| 02:08.17 | daveee123 | nvz: awesome. thanks |
| 02:08.43 | daveee123 | nvz: why do so many people avoid gnome3? i think it's great after a little tweaking |
| 02:08.48 | nvz | I suppose I could install gnome3 and take another look at it.. but it kinda makes me wanna barf |
| 02:09.26 | nvz | daveee123: my issue with it is it seems to be a huge leap backwards.. in gnome2 you just right clicked on things, there were preferences with gui components.. now nothing is "easily configurable" in that sense |
| 02:09.47 | nvz | why would we want to go back to undocumented crap that we have to modify manually in xml or some gawd aweful format? |
| 02:09.47 | sim590 | nvz: I figured it out.. it's really hardware/physical issue.. even if signal is stronger.. I did: $ wpa_cli select_network <idA>; wpa_cli enable_network <idA>.. it failed.. then I did: $ wpa_cli select_network <idB>; wpa_cli enable_network <idB> and it succeded (A was the network with which I had issue) |
| 02:10.29 | daveee123 | nvz: that's the best reason i've heard. and the only thing i struggle with. |
| 02:10.52 | daveee123 | nvz: many nice features, but very mac like and hard to configure |
| 02:11.31 | nvz | sim590: yeah idk what your situation there is like but I know on my routers which I run tomato or tomatousb on, I can do a "site survey" and find out whats in range of my router and what channel it uses and try pick something the furthest from the strongest signals.. this is why most people use channels 1, 6, 11 cause they're the furthest apart.. |
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| 02:12.26 | nvz | daveee123: yah I'm not really desiring a change of look in the first place and its just a huge leap backwards to go from a well documented system with easy to configure GUI tools and the ability to just "right click" most anything to something you have to configure manually with no documentation to aid you in doing so.. |
| 02:12.33 | nvz | seems like a really dumb thing to do to me |
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| 02:13.43 | nvz | I mean we've always had this issue with #debian on freenode where there was a severe lack of support for KDE and thats why we have a #debian-kde with people who actually USE it.. cause most debian users are command-line or minimalistic users.. |
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| 02:14.20 | nvz | now we got this gnome3 crap that nobody seems to care for.. and you're just kinda all alone in getting help for it cause its not even well documented enough for us to go look stuff up and help you figure it out |
| 02:16.19 | nvz | I left windows 10+ years ago to be able to stop searching the web randomly for "hacks" and programs to do what I wanted to do.. and we build a great OS here with better documentation than most distros out there.. inclusion of gnome 3 at this point in time seems like a step backwards to me |
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| 02:17.31 | daveee123 | yea. all reasonable. gnome2 can do all the same things. and more with a plugin |
| 02:18.08 | nvz | sim590: generally speaking though everyone has the opinions you just saw expressed here tonight about going wireless. and thats creating the problems you're seeing.. noise pollution.. heh.. you gotta do your best to make sure you're steering clear of noisy frequencies in your area |
| 02:18.51 | nvz | sometimes old or crappy microwaves and stuff will even cause interference in the 2.4 and 5ghz bands wifi operates on... some home cordless phones as well.. |
| 02:19.24 | nvz | some adapters like broadcom especially I've seen have piss poor noise floor calibration routines and just cannot handle all that background noise |
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| 02:20.22 | kanliot | can i help you rant nvz? |
| 02:20.41 | nvz | kanliot: I need to stop.. I was just addressing the issues on the table the best I could.. |
| 02:20.52 | kanliot | :) |
| 02:21.24 | nvz | I need to stop cause my battery is gonna die.. not so much cause there are other things going on here.. cause if there were I'd be answering those questions |
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| 02:21.56 | kanliot | you sound a little nervous |
| 02:22.12 | nvz | oh I was trying to quit smoking, I'm a wreck right now.. haha |
| 02:22.13 | kanliot | maybe i need to call 9/11 swat on u |
| 02:22.15 | kanliot | lol |
| 02:22.19 | kanliot | thats a reason |
| 02:22.36 | kanliot | take a walk |
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| 02:22.39 | kanliot | it helps |
| 02:22.45 | nvz | I'm about to.. to get smokes.. lol |
| 02:22.59 | kanliot | hehe |
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| 02:23.42 | kanliot | anyone know if firefox and iceweasel live togther nicely? or do they crap over each other's config? |
| 02:24.14 | nvz | I'd imagine they'll crap on each others config however they both have a profile manager.. see the manpage about how to start the profile manager before opening the browser |
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| 02:24.35 | nvz | if you use different profiles it should address that issue nicely |
| 02:24.41 | kanliot | yeah |
| 02:24.44 | kanliot | sound ez |
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| 02:25.37 | nvz | last I checked iceweasel's binaries are still firefox and still write configs to the normal location |
| 02:26.15 | kanliot | i guess i could google this... but why did they even make iceweasel |
| 02:26.16 | kanliot | ? |
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| 02:26.40 | nvz | I been a chrome user I find it to be a far faster browser.. only strength I still see in firefox is that its got a lot more plugins but chrome is catching up in that area |
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| 02:27.18 | nvz | kanliot: well mozilla's lisc was the issue basically if you modify it like debian does, you have to call it something else.. so that people don't go an report bugs in a modified version against their browser |
| 02:27.42 | nvz | kanliot: we either had to move firefox out of main because it conflicted with the DFSG or we had to rename it.. so we renamed it |
| 02:27.45 | kanliot | well 2 reasons to use firefox... 1 memory RAM conservation, 2 youtube downloading plugins got banned from chrome store |
| 02:28.08 | kanliot | yeah i actually know what debian free software guidelines stands 4 |
| 02:28.16 | nvz | kanliot: I still use the youtube plugins you just gotta download em manually and drag em into the extensions by hand.. they still work |
| 02:28.25 | nvz | and I think chrome is way lighter on resources |
| 02:28.44 | kanliot | open 15 pages and test it yourself |
| 02:28.50 | kanliot | chrome has a great memory monitor |
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| 02:29.01 | kanliot | control+shift+delete or somethign |
| 02:29.09 | kanliot | about:memory |
| 02:29.16 | nvz | yeah.. well the difference is if a plugin crashes in firefox it could bring all those tabs down with it.. in chrome it wont |
| 02:29.31 | kanliot | yup |
| 02:29.33 | nvz | so I don't fret about the memory when it still operates faster and makes good use of shared memory |
| 02:29.50 | nvz | ram is there to be used.. |
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| 02:31.45 | kanliot | chrome isnt so friendly now. i just installed it, and it pestered me to login to my gmail. really seriously insistent about it |
| 02:31.53 | nvz | anywho I'm down to like 13% and last thing you wanna do is piss a thinkpad off on battery issues.. heh.. they set off loud alarms.. gonna go for a walk. Hope you all got what you needed out of my bra-i-ain for now :-P |
| 02:31.54 | kanliot | i guess i just have to change my homepage but |
| 02:32.02 | kanliot | by |
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| 02:33.18 | nvz | I actually learned the other day there is this neat "beep" thing in the new thinkpad-acpi drivers.. you can actually control which of the dozen or so "beep" sounds correlate to a dozen or so "events" like pushing the ultrabay eject swithc, going into sleep mode, etc.. its all configurable.. |
| 02:33.44 | nvz | but I couldn't as of yet find any good documentation about it and I found out the hard way you can really do some annoying stuff if you just randomly mess with it |
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| 02:34.57 | nvz | makes like a tree |
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| 02:52.31 | future28 | Hi - Using gnome3, I want to keep traditional mode on as the standard on bootup. Can anyone help me out with this? Also, why are the battery and sound tray icons huge? Can I fix that? |
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| 02:59.59 | hesco | I'm seeing: The following packages cannot be authenticated! for mysql-common which is breaking my puppet manifest. I'd rather not add a --force-yes to my manifest to be forgotten about next week. Any word on getting the mysql-common package signed and back in shape? |
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| 03:11.44 | badloop | ok i probably need someone to tell me that i'm stupid... i have an old parallel port laser printer. i got a parallel to usb adapter. i'm hooking it to my dell 2950 and hoping to hook it into a debian guest using CUPS |
| 03:11.50 | badloop | is this a lost cause? |
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| 03:23.46 | MissionControl | whoa |
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| 03:41.39 | badloop | are we being ddos'd? |
| 03:41.40 | badloop | :-P |
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| 03:42.36 | holycow | appearently so |
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| 04:04.08 | nvz | no, I'm just ranting again. :-P |
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| 04:13.29 | elkingrey | I just tried installing Debian on a refurbished Gateway computer that had Windows 8 installed. I couldn't figure out how to boot from the USB flash drive. Then I learned something about UEFI. Is it true that I really cannot install Debian???? |
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| 04:17.29 | suffix | evenign folks. what is the ssh login user for AWS debian images? |
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| 04:21.21 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: i think wheezy supports UEFI |
| 04:21.29 | Seegee | Does anoyone know Joobz? Or someone with a name like that? |
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| 04:25.24 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: or so it says in the release notes, i can't find much else though. also there's no support for secure boot |
| 04:26.12 | elkingrey | So, not ALL UEFI runs secure boot, but the ones that do, you're screwed, do I have that right? |
| 04:26.23 | Rusty1 | elkingrey: you may be able to change bios to legacy mode, disable secure boot as well |
| 04:27.12 | elkingrey | Rustyl: I never could figure that out. This has to the be digital handcuffs Stallman is always talking about. |
| 04:27.15 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: i've never had a computer with UEFI, but I think secure boot can usually be disabled |
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| 04:34.07 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: Alright, thanks for the help. |
| 04:36.02 | suffix | hey SCPin'g a directory containing symlinks won't copy the symlinked directories, will it? |
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| 04:40.32 | ztp | suffix: no, it does not follow sy links by default |
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| 04:47.36 | suffix | also |
| 04:48.03 | suffix | basic ssh key question: if I need to scp a file from a host, I only need the public key on the host I will be scping the file to, right? |
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| 05:17.39 | mumpitzel | suffix: no you need a secret password or a private key for the user you want to log on as. the public key of a ssh server is public: you only need to connect to get it |
| 05:18.50 | james41382 | I upgraded from the 3.2 stable kernel to the backport 3.9 and I am getting some wierd messages at boot now. |
| 05:20.57 | james41382 | I uninstalled the drivers for a couple devices, but I am not sure how to figure this out. |
| 05:21.25 | mumpitzel | maybe you should start by describing the actual problem properly? |
| 05:21.50 | mumpitzel | and how can you uninstall drivers: typically all drivers are in the kernel package. you can't uninstall selectively |
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| 05:27.17 | james41382 | Maybe I am saying it wrong. I uninstalled packages for firmware of some devices. |
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| 05:27.52 | james41382 | Then installed the same packages, but the versions that go with the backported kernel. I think.. |
| 05:28.48 | james41382 | Because there was a message that said required firmware files may be missing. |
| 05:28.56 | sideup66 | hello room, does anyone have any experience with inadyn? Im having an issue, it seems that for some reason unbeknownst to me, the program doesnt do the intermittent ip check, but will execute its forced ip update, reason im a little nervous about this is that well, ive read that over updating on dyndns will serve you a ban, and I didnt want to follow suit with the freedns guys |
| 05:30.25 | james41382 | It looks like it has something to do with the CPU. I ran dmesg | grep intel and found the errors from boot. |
| 05:32.22 | james41382 | http://pastebin.com/v40br63B |
| 05:34.55 | Yukiteru | james41382 you can install intel-microcode package from non-free for fix this errors |
| 05:35.26 | mumpitzel | james41382: install it from jessie however |
| 05:35.37 | Yukiteru | but not problems for this errors in the bootlog |
| 05:36.14 | james41382 | Yukiteru: I just found something about this in the debian forum. Thank you I am installing it now. =] |
| 05:36.30 | Yukiteru | ok |
| 05:36.40 | Alegreya | *ALERT* |
| 05:36.43 | Alegreya | http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html |
| 05:36.46 | Alegreya | *ALERT* |
| 05:37.00 | sideup66 | i saw that |
| 05:37.15 | sideup66 | I was playing with inadyn and reading a guide there, rebooted for other reasons, and of course |
| 05:37.20 | sideup66 | my guide is gone (site down) |
| 05:37.27 | james41382 | apt-cache search only shows one candidate. I have added backport to the sources list. Is there another for jessie? |
| 05:37.32 | james41382 | I am on wheezy. |
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| 05:38.27 | james41382 | I will try to reboot and see what happens. Thanks guys. |
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| 05:43.13 | james41382 | Success! |
| 05:43.19 | james41382 | Night. |
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| 05:44.20 | sideup66 | i guess I will just find out |
| 05:44.21 | sideup66 | :/ |
| 05:44.31 | sideup66 | if not, an email will go out to those guys and ill have to clear things up |
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| 05:50.29 | ectospasm | I have a mildly annoying problem. I recently set up my pfsense router with squid + squidGuard (transparent proxy since I am now living with a child), and I have noticed something when running "aptitude full-upgrade" I initially get an error when downloading bug reports: E: HTTP GET failed |
| 05:50.47 | ectospasm | I'm prompted to retry, and the retry always succeeds |
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| 05:51.29 | ectospasm | I figure I need to add the proxy information to apt, but I wouldn't think that's necessary because it's a transparent proxy |
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| 05:55.45 | DANtheBEASTman | where's the new debian mirror repo supposed to be at now? isn't it something like http.debian.net or something? |
| 05:56.01 | mumpitzel | !tell DANtheBEASTman about wheezy sources.list |
| 05:56.39 | DANtheBEASTman | lovely, thank you mumpitzel |
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| 06:24.28 | jpinx | I'm having issues with screen resolutions since upgrading to wheezy. If the external monitor is plugged in at boot time the local screen resolves incorrectly and even using xrandr will not fix it. see http://paste.debian.net/17444/ |
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| 06:33.16 | jpinx | http://picpaste.com/Screens-resolution-01-53Ve8VYr.png |
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| 07:24.25 | bullgard4 | jpinx: You did not say what you are critzizing in particular. |
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| 07:32.40 | jpinx | bullgard4: incorrect screen resolution at boot time when ext monitor is plugged in but not switched on |
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| 07:35.44 | bullgard4 | jpinx: Yes, I read that. I thought you could detail "incorect". |
| 07:35.50 | bullgard4 | +r |
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| 07:37.11 | jpinx | bullgard4: you see the screenshot I posted ? |
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| 07:38.35 | bullgard4 | jpinx: Yes I saw it although in a not too great resolution. |
| 07:39.01 | jpinx | it's the screen sizing that's wrong |
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| 07:40.25 | Yukiteru | bye |
| 07:40.36 | mon2908 | bye |
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| 07:41.42 | boodie | Hi everybody; I tried to play a dvd, but none of the clients (VLC, mplayer ...) recognized it. I'm told that a certain package libdvdcss2 is needed, but it's not in the official repository ... |
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| 07:43.03 | bullgard4 | jpinx: I guess that this is a bug of your particular grphics chip (which may be integrated in your processor chip, I did not check that). |
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| 07:43.36 | jpinx | bullgard4: ok - thanks - I'll chase it down here |
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| 07:44.02 | bullgard4 | r |
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| 07:45.38 | boodie | Apparently debian-multimedia should not be used anymore ... |
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| 07:56.33 | _WolfeZ_ | good morning :) |
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| 09:18.59 | rapha | when copying larger amounts of data (5GB+) from one LVM volume to another which both sit on the same mdadm array, I always get a "general protection fault" and the machine locks hard. Is there anything that can be done to help with this? |
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| 09:49.34 | Frank81 | hi i have a littel question out of scope sorry for asking it here but i think i get good results: Does any one can provide me with names of companys or even only his secret tip that do sell big servers like IBM does? |
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| 09:50.01 | Frank81 | I need a Hardware Partner but i can't choose IBM :D since they are compitors in software things |
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| 09:50.57 | Frank81 | we can make a question out of it that is in scope :D Can some one point me to a Server Company that fits best to the debian os i need realy much power the price don't matters |
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| 09:53.54 | iceroot | Frank81: HP |
| 09:54.08 | Frank81 | compitor too :( |
| 09:54.24 | Frank81 | isn't there any indipendent? |
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| 09:54.35 | Frank81 | that don't runs IaaS? |
| 09:54.47 | Frank81 | Infrastructure as a Service |
| 09:54.49 | iceroot | and compitor means? dict.leo does not know that word |
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| 09:55.04 | Frank81 | iceroot they are enemys sorry for the choosen word :d |
| 09:55.15 | Frank81 | my english isn't that much good as the most think :D |
| 09:55.18 | iceroot | enemies? |
| 09:55.22 | iceroot | enemie of what? |
| 09:55.48 | Frank81 | ya they produce hardware ^^ thats ok but they own software like the one we produce and wanna bring now public to the market |
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| 09:55.57 | Frank81 | and we wanna do it like they ^^ |
| 09:56.03 | joshuahh | hi, just wondering if someone can help me manually install a RAID card driver for my proxmox 3.0 |
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| 09:56.14 | Frank81 | so i can't choose one with same software that sells us the hardware |
| 09:56.26 | iceroot | Frank81: because we dont know who is part of your enemy-group, we cant help |
| 09:56.41 | iceroot | and enemy is always a bad word |
| 09:56.45 | Frank81 | simply every one that offers cloud services |
| 09:56.59 | Frank81 | and produces company software |
| 09:57.00 | Frank81 | :D |
| 09:57.17 | iceroot | Frank81: you have a debian-support-question? |
| 09:57.32 | Frank81 | i think only HP and IBM are in that group as i know since Microsoft don't sells hardware |
| 09:57.57 | Frank81 | iceroot on what kind of big servers that don't get sold by HP or IBM could run debian best :D |
| 09:58.23 | iceroot | Frank81: debian runs fine on every x86/amd64 server |
| 09:58.51 | iceroot | Frank81: dell |
| 09:59.26 | iceroot | Frank81: lenovo, just use google to get some names, if you find a product come back here and ask your debian question :) |
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| 10:00.14 | Frank81 | used google |
| 10:00.25 | Frank81 | but i only find crap like they call 8 core machine a server |
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| 10:00.52 | Frank81 | and i am not that much into that hardware thing i was about software last 10 years |
| 10:01.06 | iceroot | and why should something with 8 cores not act as a server? |
| 10:01.07 | Frank81 | but now the software is done now i need to find a plattform to release it |
| 10:01.14 | Frank81 | iceroot to small |
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| 10:01.18 | Frank81 | much to small |
| 10:01.38 | Frank81 | it goes about IaaS so Infrastructure as a Service |
| 10:01.46 | iceroot | imo HP and Dell are delivering the best servers |
| 10:01.47 | Frank81 | so probally i could run 1 vserver on it |
| 10:02.04 | Frank81 | but dell offers same service as me |
| 10:02.14 | Frank81 | they are also in IaaS |
| 10:02.21 | Frank81 | Dell Cloud and so on |
| 10:02.32 | Frank81 | i am now watching about lenovo |
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| 10:02.45 | iceroot | Frank81: lenovo is ibm |
| 10:03.24 | marcusk | Lenovo bought some of the product lines IBM used to have |
| 10:03.25 | Frank81 | thats bad :( |
| 10:03.35 | marcusk | IBM still sells some of them |
| 10:03.43 | marcusk | Including servers |
| 10:03.50 | Frank81 | arn't there any indiependt hardware only once that produce great big rack servers? |
| 10:03.52 | iceroot | thinkserver, yes |
| 10:04.29 | Frank81 | i simply don't find any hardware only related company |
| 10:04.54 | iceroot | Frank81: ##hardware |
| 10:04.58 | iceroot | totally offtopic here |
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| 10:09.21 | Frank81 | why is hardware for running a os not essential? |
| 10:09.22 | Frank81 | :D |
| 10:09.42 | iceroot | because of your "enemy foobar stuff" |
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| 10:10.13 | Frank81 | ah ok thats right :D but i tought i can find here a none mainstream hw user thats all |
| 10:10.48 | iceroot | at the moment you only find an hp employee chatting with you :) so i am your enemy ;) |
| 10:11.43 | iceroot | and a question like "which hardware manufature is not offering cloud service" is 100% offtopic here |
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| 10:12.32 | bez | hi |
| 10:12.40 | bez | my kde is stopped |
| 10:12.53 | bez | what can I restart it without reboot ? |
| 10:12.58 | bez | reboot my debian* |
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| 10:13.27 | xand | you can restart X |
| 10:13.43 | bez | how? |
| 10:15.28 | xand | it depends what display manager you use |
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| 10:16.20 | bez | Do you mean kde? |
| 10:16.21 | bez | ;) |
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| 10:18.12 | mumpitzel | bez: run "startkde" |
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| 10:18.26 | mumpitzel | for restarting the displaymanager: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 10:18.30 | bez | hmm |
| 10:18.34 | bez | I fault |
| 10:18.39 | bez | My kde is lagged |
| 10:18.46 | bez | I need reboot it ;) |
| 10:18.50 | bez | or unlagged ^^ |
| 10:20.44 | bez | I cant do something |
| 10:20.48 | bez | on kde ;) |
| 10:21.11 | bez | Is any shortcast like ctr + alt + backspace? |
| 10:21.24 | xand | bez: no, kdm might be the display manager, but not kde. anyway, press ctrl-alt-F1 to get a terminal and then login to it and run what mumpitzel said |
| 10:21.37 | xand | you can try ctrl-alt-backspace but it's probably disabled |
| 10:22.00 | bez | Im ctr + alt + f2 |
| 10:22.18 | bez | how can I reboot kde on ctr + alt + f7?:P |
| 10:22.22 | bez | or shutdown it? |
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| 10:25.18 | bez | I have now ;) |
| 10:25.29 | bez | "pkill kde" ;) |
| 10:25.32 | bez | on console ;) |
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| 10:42.04 | dD | How can I stop the shift key from being ignored in keybindings in dconf editor? |
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| 10:46.27 | dD | I want to use alt+shift to change keyboard language and alt + shift tab to do switch windows backwards, but it seems I can't have both configured at the same time. I could do this in previous versions of Gnome, is there any way t fix this? |
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| 10:49.53 | boudiccas | whats the command to identify new devices, like a new printer, please? i thought it was 'blkid' but thats a negative |
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| 10:55.45 | Deeps | boudiccas: lsusb? |
| 10:56.13 | Azrael_- | i've create a custom startup-script for teamspeak 3 and now i got this process stalled: startpar -f -- ts3server_startscript.sh any idea why and how i could resolve this? |
| 10:56.28 | boudiccas | Deeps, thanks, thats it |
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| 10:58.42 | mebus | Hi! I have got this error on a LMDE installation: /bin/zsh: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso_time: invalid mode for dlopen(): Invalid argument is it possible to geht this fixed? |
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| 11:03.07 | banjo | ive heard from many people that u have to configure debian more manualy then its derivats like ubuntu/mint. but if i use gnome,mate or an other desktop envoirment isnt it the same at the end like i would use ubuntu/mint? |
| 11:03.37 | daemonkeeper | It is. |
| 11:03.46 | daemonkeeper | Not that Mate was in Debian. |
| 11:04.16 | banjo | ok but just want to know about the DE |
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| 11:05.37 | Deeps | it'll be the same program, but the configuration will be different |
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| 11:06.28 | Deeps | ubuntu takes the underlying work debian has done and puts in their own version of what they want the DE to be like, along with other components |
| 11:06.36 | Deeps | mint does the same, but starting from an ubuntu base |
| 11:06.54 | mebus | regading my question: I am reinstalling... |
| 11:07.11 | daemonkeeper | That's wrong. Ubuntu uses Unity by default. But as soon as you use KDE or Gnome it is the same. |
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| 11:07.44 | banjo | but for a noob it would the same easy way to configure his system with debian+DE like ubuntu |
| 11:08.11 | banjo | thats the question |
| 11:08.17 | Deeps | daemonkeeper: doesn't unity run ontop of gnome? if not, i stand corrected |
| 11:08.24 | daemonkeeper | No, it does not. |
| 11:08.34 | daemonkeeper | Unity is completely their own invention. |
| 11:09.13 | daemonkeeper | banjo: I wonder what you mean by configuring? |
| 11:09.33 | daemonkeeper | Its not desktops would be configured a lot. You install it, you start it, and you have some personalization dialogues. |
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| 11:13.41 | banjo | because ive heard this about debian. im not an expert and debian has automaticaly set network,menu,etc so that i can use the system directly after changes. so i wonder why people say using debian is more manualy configure the settings than ubuntu. i use openbox and i think with and complete DE its the same like using ubuntu/etc. |
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| 11:15.12 | banjo | so a noob would be good with debian+DE so its easy to change settings with GUI |
| 11:15.13 | daemonkeeper | Because in a free world everyone is entitled to its own opinion |
| 11:16.04 | banjo | yeah i asked because i couldnt understand this opinion |
| 11:16.17 | banjo | i see no differencies |
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| 11:20.47 | hke | i have a file with lines of different length, but i want to reformat it so that no line is longer than 80 characters. what command line utility can do that? |
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| 11:22.28 | tremon | hke: fmt |
| 11:22.55 | hke | thanks tremon |
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| 11:29.51 | bez | Can I do sleep my debian with console ;)? |
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| 11:36.35 | hke | boudiccas: sudo usermod -aG GROUP USER |
| 11:36.58 | hke | bez: sudo pm-suspend |
| 11:37.20 | boudiccas | hke, ok, thanks |
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| 11:37.58 | bez | hke: :*:*:* |
| 11:37.58 | bez | thanks hke ;) |
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| 12:19.18 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 12:25.26 | eptalon | I am using xfce4 in sid/unstable; after login (XDM), system is unresponsive for about half a minute (for starting applications). Same thing before logout (for displaying the logout dlg). ideas? |
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| 12:25.55 | psnider85 | Check your logs. |
| 12:26.16 | eptalon | psnider85: nothiing unusal, not in syslog or auth.log. |
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| 12:26.58 | psnider85 | You could use a boot logger / graphing program... Cant think of one from the top of my head. |
| 12:27.07 | bigbee | eptalon: how many programs are you loading on startup |
| 12:27.09 | psnider85 | Like bootvis for windows. |
| 12:27.33 | eptalon | bigbee: none, to my knowledge |
| 12:27.35 | tremon | eptalon: if it's really half a minute, it sounds like a timeout. I'd look for hostname resolution first |
| 12:27.51 | eptalon | tremon: for logout? |
| 12:28.20 | tremon | I don't know how xfce does it, but I know sudo does a hostname lookup |
| 12:28.58 | eptalon | tremon: so entering a hostname in resolv.conf would fix it? |
| 12:29.22 | tremon | if that is the issue, then yes. but you'd add it in /etc/hosts |
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| 12:30.29 | tremon | it can be something else entirely, I was just triggered by your "about half a minute" |
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| 12:31.09 | tremon | easy to test though: timeouts are predictable, you should be seeing the same unresponsiveness regardless of system load |
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| 12:37.17 | eptalon | tremon: other users donbt use xfce, and don't see the problem. |
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| 12:39.04 | psnider85 | Could be an I/O issue maybe??? |
| 12:39.15 | abrotman | so setup a new user, have that user use xfce, test |
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| 12:41.24 | eptalon | abrotman: goo idea. :) |
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| 12:45.11 | bigbee | tremon: i'm using xfce and don't have those kind of problems |
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| 13:14.07 | georgij | Hi, I want to be able to receive inbound emails with postfix, I paid for a DNS Service where I have set my Static IP to the Server, the MX Record to mail.example.com, and created an childnname (subdomain) called mail.example.com so it is pointing to the same as the root address(static ip) so in otherwords mail.example.com=example.com. The question is why can't I receive mails? SMTP working on port 33, (Courier) POP3 working, (Courier) I |
| 13:14.30 | Th0masR0ss | georgij: try #postfix |
| 13:14.53 | georgij | Th0masR0ss: ok, sorry & thanks |
| 13:15.16 | mumpitzel | georgij: SMTP is not listening on port 33 |
| 13:15.48 | mumpitzel | SMTP runs on port 25. what happens if you try to connect frm outside your network to port 25 of your postfix server? |
| 13:15.50 | georgij | mumpitzel: wut? I changed the port to 33 |
| 13:16.06 | tremon | alternatively, if postfix is listening on port 33 that would explain why you receive no mail :) |
| 13:16.13 | mumpitzel | why did you change the port? |
| 13:16.16 | georgij | mumpitzel: I cannot, since the ISP usually block port 25 |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | georgij: then you cannot receive email |
| 13:16.34 | mumpitzel | georgij: then you can't run a mailserver on your network. mail MUST be delivered to port 25 |
| 13:16.46 | abrotman | (from another smtp server) |
| 13:17.02 | tremon | or port 587 iirc |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | tremon: not from another SMTP server, such as google to yahoo |
| 13:17.22 | mumpitzel | tremon: yes, but that's not for mail received from other mailservers. |
| 13:17.28 | georgij | mumpitzel: Hmmā¦ Darn it! :( But when I scan the server from outside it says port 25 is open, but still I cannot connect remotely with smtp unless if I change port. |
| 13:17.50 | georgij | mumpitzel: So I suspect it is the ISP blocking it, am I wrong? |
| 13:18.00 | mumpitzel | georgij: you sure it's your ISP doing the blocking and not your router or whatever? and if you try to connect to port25, what happens? |
| 13:18.08 | Th0masR0ss | georgij: you could ask your ISP |
| 13:18.18 | georgij | mumpitzel: Trying to connect and then fails |
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| 13:18.25 | caf | many ISPs do block tcp25 in and/or out |
| 13:18.45 | caf | some will turn it off for your account if you ask |
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| 13:33.36 | TheMinimalist | i'm trying to setup exim to send mail to an outside e-mail address but it keeps failing :( |
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| 13:40.13 | nkuttler | !tell TheMinimalist about errors |
| 13:40.42 | TheMinimalist | nkuttler: thank you, one moment |
| 13:40.44 | georgij | mumpitzel: But isn't smtp used to send mail rather than receive emails? I can send mails already but not receive any |
| 13:40.59 | TheMinimalist | georgij: local or external? |
| 13:41.16 | georgij | TheMinimalistL I can send mails externally to gmail etc |
| 13:41.33 | spreeuw | smtp is the original pushmail |
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| 13:42.04 | georgij | spreeuw: ok, but I want to be able to receive mail, is port 25 really necessary? |
| 13:42.13 | spreeuw | yes |
| 13:42.23 | spreeuw | if you are a mailserver I mean |
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| 13:42.56 | TheMinimalist | You don't need 25, 587 works too. |
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| 13:43.00 | spreeuw | a client never has to have receiving ports opened |
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| 13:43.16 | spreeuw | other than some associated |
| 13:43.28 | spreeuw | or for p2p downloads |
| 13:43.34 | georgij | spreeuw: TheMinimalist, so I just change the line in master.cf startiing with smtp to 587? |
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| 13:43.47 | Dark_light | what's the status of gnome 3.8 in sid? is there/usable ? |
| 13:43.52 | Dark_light | *is it |
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| 13:46.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Dark_light about gnome status |
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| 13:47.55 | Dark_light | jelly-home: I've already give a look and from what I gathered it's not quite there yet am I correct ? |
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| 13:48.31 | jelly-home | Dark_light: oh, I have no idea, not a gnome user |
| 13:48.37 | georgij | TheMinimalist: It works on port 587 OMG, I got old mail delivered from yesterday! :D |
| 13:48.50 | TheMinimalist | woo |
| 13:49.05 | georgij | TheMinimalist: THANKS A LOT |
| 13:49.09 | TheMinimalist | no problem |
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| 13:49.57 | jelly-home | georgij: transfer of mail between servers is done on port 25 only. A server doing MX for a domain must have tcp/25 open. |
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| 13:50.19 | TheMinimalist | hmm, if my e-mail i'm sending to is email@hotmail.com - what would the relay be? |
| 13:50.28 | TheMinimalist | pretty sure i've almost got this figured out |
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| 13:51.13 | TheMinimalist | georgij: wanna help me out now? :p |
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| 13:51.17 | georgij | jelly-home: Ok, thanks I am still going to call them first day tomorrow to open it. But sufficient testing can be done now :D |
| 13:51.35 | georgij | TheMinimalist: What's wrong? |
| 13:52.02 | TheMinimalist | trying to send mail out to a specific e-mail, and have no clue what i'm doing. just keeps deferring the mail |
| 13:53.18 | georgij | TheMinimalist, I am currently using PHP to send mails with PHPMailer, and it seems it is going to spam atm perhaps because I am not using port 25. |
| 13:53.21 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: are you configuring a mail client or a mail server? |
| 13:54.30 | TheMinimalist | Jul 21 09:38:39 computer sm-mta[20272]: r6KEGrfM008388: to=<user@website.com>, ctladdr=<root@computer> (0/0), delay=23:21:46, xdelay=00:04:13, mailer=esmtp, pri=12785729, relay=hotmail.com. [0.0.0.0], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with hotmail.com |
| 13:54.35 | georgij | TheMinimalist: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/postfix-users/message/288566 |
| 13:54.58 | TheMinimalist | jelly-home: mail server that only sends out, but doesn't receive anything but internal mail. |
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| 13:56.47 | TheMinimalist | this isn't for postfix, this is for exim4 |
| 13:56.49 | ido370 | hello, i m running wheezy (7.1) with gnome 3.4.2 (running in classic mode). how can i update gnome to 3.8 ? |
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| 13:57.46 | hile_ | if you built it all yourself, certainly. |
| 13:58.03 | hile_ | I'm a debian noob; I don't know if any such packages exist. Maybe in wheezy-backports? |
| 13:58.43 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: does "hotmail.com." really resolve to "0.0.0.0" on that machine? |
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| 13:59.38 | TheMinimalist | jelly-home: I ended up editing the ip address, hotmail.com is set correctly ip address wise |
| 13:59.42 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: are you sure sm-mta is exim? That program name smells like Sendmail. |
| 14:00.06 | TheMinimalist | that explains why it's not working, i don't have sendmail installed. |
| 14:00.13 | jelly-home | that's what you think |
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| 14:00.38 | TheMinimalist | just checked, sendmail isn't installed |
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| 14:01.02 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: which debian release is this, and what does dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail say? |
| 14:01.19 | TheMinimalist | wheezy, and one moment |
| 14:01.52 | TheMinimalist | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail says the following: |
| 14:01.53 | dpkg | Package: /usr/sbin/sendmail says the following:: Status: install ok installed |
| 14:01.59 | TheMinimalist | exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 14:02.29 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: and your log line is from /var/log/exim4/mainlog? |
| 14:02.40 | TheMinimalist | one moment |
| 14:03.31 | TheMinimalist | 2013-07-21 09:35:02 1V0tmv-0005IN-Uq => user <root@computer> R=local_user T=mail_spool |
| 14:03.52 | jelly-home | that's exim. |
| 14:04.06 | TheMinimalist | that was from /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:04.15 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: pastebin the output of dpkg -l sendmail\* |
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| 14:05.38 | TheMinimalist | http://pastebin.com/GLTLEkeM |
| 14:06.23 | TheMinimalist | if i attempt to install sendmail-base, exim4 will be uninstalled |
| 14:07.01 | jelly-home | well, that looks reasonable |
| 14:07.48 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: you may have sendmail processes left over from when it got replaced with exim, I guess |
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| 14:08.45 | TheMinimalist | what do you mean? how would i check? |
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| 14:09.29 | jelly-home | TheMinimalist: I do not remember what sendmail process names look like. look for anything called sm-mta or sendmail in the process list |
| 14:10.04 | jelly-home | or just purge sendmail-base and sendmail-cf and reboot |
| 14:10.58 | TheMinimalist | did that, and dpkg -l sendmail\* shows nothing |
| 14:11.18 | jelly-home | that's one fast reboot |
| 14:11.27 | TheMinimalist | ssh :p |
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| 14:11.51 | jelly-home | that ought to get rid of leftover sendmail stuff |
| 14:12.28 | jelly-home | someone else will have to step in to help with exim, I don't know anything about it |
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| 14:13.02 | prefixed | YOLO |
| 14:13.18 | Owner | wrong |
| 14:13.47 | prefixed | oh, tell me how many times you live, Owner |
| 14:14.05 | prefixed | go on. don't be shy! |
| 14:14.15 | babilen | prefixed: Do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 14:14.21 | prefixed | yes |
| 14:14.26 | jelly-home | prefixed, Owner: move this to #debian-offtopic, please. This channel is for tech support. |
| 14:14.53 | prefixed | also, sorry about that. I totally typed "yolo" into the wrong channel. |
| 14:15.25 | prefixed | anyway, is there a simple way to replicate a debian configuration from a production machine over to an AWS node? |
| 14:15.29 | babilen | prefixed: Fair enough, but just say something along those lines the next time :) |
| 14:15.49 | sc_ | your also only die one |
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| 14:16.47 | ido370 | hello, i m running wheezy (7.1) with gnome 3.4.2. how can i update gnome to 3.8? what change is required for my sources.list? |
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| 14:31.25 | Owner | move what? |
| 14:31.33 | Owner | .. |
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| 14:36.26 | jelly-home | ido370: short answer is: you can't |
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| 14:38.27 | ido370 | jelly-home: why not? |
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| 14:39.25 | jelly-home | ido370: because it's not present in wheezy, and it takes a lot of work to integrate it with the rest of the system |
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| 14:40.21 | ido370 | and if i change sources.list to testing or experimental? |
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| 14:41.00 | jelly-home | ido370: you'd screw up the working system, most likely, and still not get the whole gnome 3.8 |
| 14:41.12 | jelly-home | !gnome status |
| 14:41.12 | dpkg | Status of the GNOME 3.8 <transition> can be found at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
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| 14:41.46 | ido370 | ok, too bad. it looks great on the website |
| 14:41.55 | TheMinimalist | A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its |
| 14:41.55 | TheMinimalist | recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed to-addr@computer Unrouteable address |
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| 14:44.18 | hile_ | jelly-home: couldn't ido370 build the whole stack himself (under a self-contained $PREFIX) and make his .Xsession spawn /opt/local/gnome-3.8/bin/gnome-session instead? NOt to state that building the whole GNOME stack isn't an utter pain. |
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| 14:44.55 | jelly-home | hile_: he could. That means ignoring the whole integration thing that distros do |
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| 14:46.01 | ido370 | i'll stick with 3.4 then. i'll better wait until 3.8 is finished. thanks |
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| 15:11.45 | dmannn | hey guys ... i installed debian yesterday on my dell r17 7720 and now there is no sound at all ... is there a way to get sound working ? |
| 15:12.30 | SirLagz | dmannn, http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ <-- checked there ? |
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| 15:13.49 | dmannn | checked |
| 15:14.48 | SirLagz | what does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp do ? |
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| 15:15.59 | dmannn | sry guys need to go, sry sry coming back later :) i will check it out and give u the answeder lateron |
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| 15:17.42 | mumpitzel | SirLagz: it sends random "noise" to your soundcard. don't do it. can kill if you are unlucky your speakers |
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| 15:20.30 | SirLagz | mumpitzel, I knew what it does, I was asking dmann whether it works on his laptop or not |
| 15:20.48 | SirLagz | easiest way to figure out whether sound works for sure or not imo lol |
| 15:20.52 | SirLagz | just make sure speakers are on low |
| 15:21.02 | mumpitzel | yes "lol" is about right for you |
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| 15:21.04 | mumpitzel | !alsa checklist |
| 15:21.04 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 15:21.40 | SirLagz | i assumed since he had gone through the sound faq on debian.org, he would have already checked all that |
| 15:22.59 | georgij | Hi I am getting a crazy postfix bug, I can't use port 25 (ISP problem). However when I switch to port 25, reload the postfix and then switch to 587 the emails I send from gmail gets retrieved. |
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| 15:24.14 | georgij | If I just leave port 587 for smtpd, no mails get retrieved at all, only if I reproduce that I switch to 25, reload switch to 587 then reload |
| 15:24.21 | mumpitzel | georgij: check where (which port) gmail delivers your mail. if it comes in at port25, then your ISP isn't blocking at all |
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| 15:25.12 | georgij | mumpitzel: How can I see that? |
| 15:25.39 | georgij | mumpitzel: X-Received: by 10.52.117.174 with SMTP |
| 15:25.58 | mumpitzel | with ethershark, tcpdump, etc |
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| 15:27.34 | georgij | mupitzel: tcpdump is dumping the ssh connection lol |
| 15:28.23 | jpinx | any eeepc users find that upgrade to wheezy killed off the hotkey volume controls ? |
| 15:29.28 | mumpitzel | georgij: one needs to read the documentation before one starts to use powertools |
| 15:29.42 | georgij | mumpitzel: true |
| 15:29.59 | jpinx | also - upgrade to wheezy installed network manager even though it wasn't in my system - I use wicd - and it does not play nicely with network amnager |
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| 15:30.17 | mumpitzel | jpinx: can't uninstall NM? |
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| 15:30.55 | jpinx | mumpitzel: yes - but then have to re-configure wicd. Upgrades are not emant to mess with the system so much |
| 15:31.50 | jpinx | I'm not sure where to report a bug likethis -- except in here and hope that a dev or op will pick it up |
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| 15:35.04 | Dan39 | hello, debian 7, i am trying to change the default max open files limit for users. i edited /etc/security/limits.conf and added "* hard nofile 10000" and "* soft nofile 4000" but even after reboot it has not taken affect. |
| 15:36.05 | mumpitzel | jpinx: dist-upgrades are... |
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| 15:40.00 | debianer | I try to setup up a nfs server. But I get this error message: "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.2.145:/mnt" |
| 15:40.45 | Dan39 | are you trying that as root? |
| 15:41.03 | debianer | yes |
| 15:41.11 | Dan39 | and you are trying to mount the remote share? |
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| 15:41.32 | Dan39 | usually i create a new directory in /mnt/ |
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| 15:41.42 | Dan39 | not mount to /mnt/ itself |
| 15:41.50 | debianer | I do a "mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.2.145:/mnt /mnt/nfs" as root on the client side. |
| 15:42.05 | Dan39 | the remote directory is /mnt? o_O |
| 15:42.15 | debianer | yes |
| 15:42.25 | debianer | Is that a problem? |
| 15:42.30 | Dan39 | i dunno |
| 15:42.31 | mryanbrown | i just tried the wheezy live and etracted the iwlwifi firmwmare to /lib/firmware and did a modprobe, but theres no wireless device showing up, anyone know why? |
| 15:42.42 | Dan39 | if they are both linux systems, i usually just use sshfs tho hehe |
| 15:42.51 | Dan39 | and as normal users, not root |
| 15:43.00 | Dan39 | i wonder if nfs is any better |
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| 15:43.13 | tremon | debianer: did you export /mnt on the server? |
| 15:43.26 | debianer | Dan39: As normal user the mount command is not wirking |
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| 15:43.45 | Dan39 | well you would have to mount to a directory your user has permission to |
| 15:44.20 | Dan39 | listen to tremon , sounds like he knows more than i do about nfs :P |
| 15:44.24 | debianer | I do a "chmod 777 -R /mnt" on the server side. |
| 15:44.39 | Dan39 | >_< |
| 15:44.48 | tremon | debianer: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=exports |
| 15:45.08 | debianer | ok thankd Dan39 ; ping tremon |
| 15:45.17 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 15:45.21 | Dan39 | he is talking right now... |
| 15:45.58 | Dan39 | mryanbrown: not showing up in ifconfig? |
| 15:46.09 | debianer | tremon: I already created a exports file |
| 15:46.25 | tremon | debianer: ok, what is the output of exportfs -v? |
| 15:46.26 | mryanbrown | yeah |
| 15:46.31 | mryanbrown | theres only lo and eth0 |
| 15:46.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am trying to install a new kernel with grub 1 with a lvm2 /root can you help me please ? |
| 15:46.34 | debianer | which has "/mnt 192.168.2.*(rw,no_subtree_check)" inside |
| 15:46.42 | Dan39 | you tried to bring it up mryanbrown? like ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 15:46.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | it says check my device map and its empty how do i fill it up |
| 15:46.56 | debianer | the output: /mnt 192.168.2.*(rw,wdelay,root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
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| 15:47.07 | Dan39 | Eryn_1983_FL: why grub 1? |
| 15:47.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 15:47.08 | mryanbrown | i did, it said error while getting interface, no such device |
| 15:47.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause my system is evil.. i dunno its what works for now and i am not upgrading for now going on a week trying to fix other issue need gui back ASAP |
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| 15:47.50 | debianer | this was the output from exportfs -v |
| 15:48.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i made my device.map now trying to install again |
| 15:48.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 15:48.38 | debianer | tremon: any idea whats wrong with my setup? |
| 15:49.45 | nvz | root_squash? isn't that redundant |
| 15:49.46 | tremon | debianer: no, that's fine. Does your machine match the 192.168.2.* wildcard, i.e. does it have a correct network address? |
| 15:50.09 | tremon | nvz: why redundant? |
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| 15:50.32 | nvz | thought that was default behavior and only had to specify for it NOT to do that |
| 15:50.41 | tremon | debianer: do things change if you explicitly say mount -t nfs3? |
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| 15:51.09 | tremon | nvz: yes, look two lines above. The first is /etc/exports, the latter is the output of exportfs -v |
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| 15:51.35 | nvz | oh right |
| 15:51.47 | georgij | Does anyone know how to enable so that u can send mail to anything *@example.com, with a wildcard even users that doesn't exist? |
| 15:52.02 | labatesa | What is the best L2TP/IPSEC our OpenVPN? |
| 15:52.27 | debianer | tremon: both computers have a correct ip adress |
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| 15:53.09 | debianer | tremon: if i use nfs3 ir gives me an error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs3' |
| 15:53.20 | Fernseher | Arch Linux vs. Debian |
| 15:53.21 | Fernseher | GO ! |
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| 15:53.45 | georgij | Fernseher: Archlinux ofc... |
| 15:53.48 | Dan39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm so trying now well see what happends |
| 15:54.10 | tremon | debianer: ah, ignore that then :). I was making sure that it didn't default to nfsv4 |
| 15:54.10 | georgij | Fernseher: Debian for servers. :) |
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| 15:54.40 | Fernseher | :) |
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| 15:55.00 | tremon | debianer: your best way to get further is to add some debug logging on the server, by adding -vvv to RPCMOUNTDOPTS in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
| 15:55.03 | georgij | Fernseher: Ubuntu forā¦ Do I even need to? |
| 15:55.19 | dD | How can I have bot alt+shift and alt+shift+tab as shortcuts? I had it before, in a previous version of gnome, but now I can't. |
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| 15:57.00 | debianer | tremon: how can I do that? |
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| 15:57.37 | tremon | debianer: I'm sorry, how do what? /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server is just a config file |
| 15:57.53 | Dan39 | dam all the gurus have been run off i guess :( |
| 15:58.04 | P0bailey | labatesa, depends |
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| 15:58.19 | labatesa | for paranoid users |
| 15:58.41 | verysoftoiletppr | error while loading shared libraries: libssh.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.47 | verysoftoiletppr | how can I fix this? |
| 15:58.53 | P0bailey | labatesa, both are quite good |
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| 15:59.01 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: by providing a libssh.so.4 |
| 15:59.07 | SPF | dD: xmodmap maybe? |
| 15:59.11 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel what is that? |
| 15:59.16 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: a file |
| 15:59.25 | labatesa | Have you used vpnbook.com using openvpn in debian? |
| 15:59.26 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel where do I provide one? |
| 15:59.31 | verysoftoiletppr | and how? |
| 15:59.35 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: what is your actual problem? |
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| 16:00.02 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel /allwinner/xbmc-pvr-binhf/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libssh.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:00.04 | debianer | tremon: there is already a --manage-gids there. should it look like "--manage-gids-vvv" or "--manage-gids -vvv" |
| 16:00.11 | verysoftoiletppr | trying to run xbmc |
| 16:00.22 | tremon | debianer: with space |
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| 16:00.32 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: where is this xbmc from? |
| 16:00.33 | tremon | then restart nfs-kernel-server |
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| 16:00.51 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel from here: http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,442.0.html |
| 16:01.01 | verysoftoiletppr | XBMC ARMHF + CedarX drkbcn native build (rellla's fork): |
| 16:01.11 | verysoftoiletppr | it is supposed to work with this image |
| 16:01.21 | Guest16461 | hello guys I want to install / configure cups server to print automatically COLLATE and REVERSE and I do not know what exactly and where to change this settings |
| 16:01.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyidea??? |
| 16:01.31 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: this is not debian |
| 16:01.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | it still says device not found |
| 16:01.45 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel what is it then? |
| 16:01.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i have to chroot into it or something? |
| 16:01.59 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: some distro based on debian. /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 16:02.44 | debianer | tremon: looks like "RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids -vvv" and gives me an error "command not found" when i restart the kernel server |
| 16:02.50 | tremon | Guest16461: general configuration for cups is through the webinterface on http://localhost:631/ |
| 16:03.01 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel ok thanks |
| 16:03.07 | tremon | debianer: you need to put it inside quotes ("") |
| 16:03.10 | labatesa | mumpitzel: Have you used vpnbook.com using openvpn in debian? |
| 16:03.30 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: we cannot know why it needs that file. as for libssh.so in debian: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libssh.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 16:04.37 | debianer | tremon: how? RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids "-vvv" # gives me also an error |
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| 16:04.55 | tremon | debianer: RPCMOUNTDOPTS="--manage-gids -vvv" |
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| 16:05.28 | debianer | tremon: ready. and now? |
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| 16:06.07 | tremon | debianer: watch /var/log/messages (or /var/log/daemon.log) on the server, and retry the mount command on the client |
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| 16:08.25 | debianer | tremon: there are "NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory" and "NFSD: starting 90-second grace period" |
| 16:09.16 | tremon | debianer: no more entries? let me check here |
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| 16:09.31 | Guest16461 | tremon: thanks that is is cool, however I need to establish a default for my laser HP printer to print COLLATE and REVERSE - do you know how to add them ? |
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| 16:10.12 | georgij | Hi, is it possible to make a virtualuser in postfix, "a sort of mailbox user" that has the email address *@example.com so any mail that is sent, is actually sent to mailbox user? |
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| 16:10.39 | debianer | tremon: one more: "nfsd: last server has exited, flushing export cache" |
| 16:10.56 | tremon | Guest16461: no, I'm not familiar with cups other than the basics. You can wait here for someone else to help you, or try a #cups channel if it exists. Otherwise ##linux could be helpful |
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| 16:12.25 | debianer | tremon: any usefull information? |
| 16:12.54 | Dan39 | what is this bull... tab does nothing in xfce4 terminal? >_< or is my tab not being sent thru vnc properly |
| 16:14.03 | tremon | debianer: just wait around, I'm trying some things here |
| 16:14.07 | debianer | tremon: if you want to check this: http://pastebin.com/gSiYk3bq |
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| 16:16.32 | rohff | test guest54 |
| 16:16.32 | debianer | some intersting: "rpcbind: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 14: missing ":" separator" tremon ping |
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| 16:19.51 | luckyducky | Good Afternoon! What is a good freemailer that you nerds like? Besides Google and Yahoo I mean. |
| 16:20.11 | daemonkeeper | This is not a question for this channel. |
| 16:20.23 | daemonkeeper | Ask in ##networking or so. |
| 16:21.25 | tremon | debianer: ah, hadn't thought of that, I'm not using hosts.allow. See man hosts_access, I'm not sure which service name you need for nfs (either nfs or rpc.mountd) |
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| 16:24.17 | debianer | tremon: can i use nfs without hosts.allow? |
| 16:25.48 | debianer | i tried different things with my hosts.allow but it doesnt work :/ |
| 16:26.35 | tremon | debianer: yes, but I'm not even sure your current setup is using it, or how to configure it |
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| 16:28.21 | debianer | tremon: my current setup is not urgent. i only want nfs working. thanks |
| 16:28.36 | tremon | debianer: btw, the manpage for rpc.mountd lists a -d auth debug option, but I couldn't get that to give me useful information either |
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| 16:30.45 | tremon | you can try to export /mnt *(ro), which should always allow access. You can try mount -v from the client, but that hardly ever helps with nfs |
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| 16:31.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need the keboard shortcuts/ key combinations to start up a terminal in the new gnome.. |
| 16:32.04 | tremon | debianer: there is also showmount -e, which you can run from the client (showmount -e $host), to see the list of exported shares |
| 16:32.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | since thats that the upgrade installed.... |
| 16:32.36 | dD | SPF, I'm a bit confused. How would I do it with xmodmap? |
| 16:32.43 | tremon | Eryn_1983_FL: I don't use gnome, but I thought it's winkey+t |
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| 16:33.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 16:34.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | my terminal is sideways since my monitors are sideways.. |
| 16:34.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | it dont Xorg is not reading my config at all.. |
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| 16:34.53 | tremon | Eryn_1983_FL: xrandr --output primary --rotate left |
| 16:34.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | so now i gotta fx nvidia-settings, Xorg, then Pam or Samba, |
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| 16:35.32 | tremon | (or something like that, you probably need --output DVI-0 or somesuch -- no guarantees if you're using the blob) |
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| 16:36.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 16:36.41 | mryanbrown | do i put iwlwifi .ucode in /lib/firmware or /lib/firmware/iwlwifi |
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| 16:37.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | there switched it to xmonad |
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| 16:37.32 | jxport | Is it possible to list HDD serials in the debian installer? |
| 16:37.49 | debianer | tremon: Is is also not working. The server is a rasberry pi. I use the the Hard-float Debian āwheezyā image. Maybe hence i get this error? |
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| 16:38.06 | jxport | I want to format the right one by ensuring the serial's the same. I have multiple HDDs with the same HWID |
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| 16:39.27 | tremon | debianer: I think it's unlikely nfs requires and floating-point arithmetic |
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| 16:40.01 | tremon | jxport: alt-f2 drops you to a shell, not sure what ways there are for identifying the disk serial. Maybe it's listed in dmesg? |
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| 16:40.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i suspect Xorg has turned off xinerma, i now you guys hate that old school crap but i got two screens and xbmc dont like the other way.. |
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| 16:42.52 | tremon | jxport: if all else fails, try readlink /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-[..] |
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| 16:43.09 | jxport | tremon: I can obtain a serial number from a shell like that no problem; |
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| 16:43.38 | jxport | It's the installation menu where I need to select a HDD to format - it doesn't seem to display serials anywhere nearby to each one |
| 16:43.58 | jxport | (So I know which HDD on the list is the one I want to select) |
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| 16:47.14 | tremon | jxport: but readlink gives you the physical device name (e.g. sda, sdb). I don't work with the installer on a daily basis, but doesn't the installer show those? |
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| 16:50.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | here is my config peeps |
| 16:50.40 | ex0a | is it normal for udevd to use up large amounts of cpu when doing things like running an rsync? |
| 16:51.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/hYdA for xorg it does not seem to listen to the options for rotate i think i have something enabled that i shouldnt |
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| 16:52.28 | jordilopezamat | hello debian IRC nice community |
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| 16:52.37 | adi_ | hi it's my first day in community. Currently I am using Ubuntu. I want to set devpt. env. for debian and also use Debian. |
| 16:52.56 | jordilopezamat | ... hello adi_ |
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| 16:53.16 | adi_ | jordilopezamat hi |
| 16:53.55 | jordilopezamat | i followed the same path... years ago. Started with Ubuntu...and after some walk, switching to my current preferred OS : Debian |
| 16:54.49 | jordilopezamat | ...i'm now busy trying to switch from my pen drive based system to my brand new SSD |
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| 16:55.13 | tremon | Eryn_1983_FL: last time I checked (granted, a while ago) the nvidia binary driver didn't support xrandr |
| 16:55.41 | p\mage | what's the difference between these two in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 16:55.56 | tremon | Eryn_1983_FL: is the entire file generated, or did you edit it manually |
| 16:56.03 | adi_ | does it have windows installer |
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| 16:56.27 | jordilopezamat | Āæanyone willing to help on a 'from-pen-drive-to-SSD' system migration ? |
| 16:56.40 | jordilopezamat | :-D |
| 16:57.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell adi_ -about install debian |
| 16:57.08 | jxport | tremon: are device names always the same between boots? |
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| 16:57.26 | p\mage | ok, here goes: http://pastie.org/8161568 |
| 16:57.38 | jxport | I'm not sure I remember seeing device names. But that's absolutely ludicrous if it doesn't even do that |
| 16:57.40 | babilen | adi_: I'd recommend the netinst image with firmare (/msg dpkg firmware image) if you have a working internet connection during the installation. Which desktop environment (if any) would you like to use? |
| 16:58.05 | tremon | jxport: no, that's why linux uses uuid's no. But why does it need to be the same between boots? |
| 16:58.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | tremon: i recreated a new one just now pastebining it i changed the option for rotate, there was no originall in the new config. thats all thats been changed |
| 16:58.16 | adi_ | gnome it's fine |
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| 16:58.57 | adi_ | babilen can i set up devpt environment from ubuntu or windows for debian |
| 16:58.58 | Dan39 | well if anyone is curious, found out what was going on with my max open files limits. i kept ssh'in into root and then su'in to the user to check. when su from root, you inherit the limits from root, and when using * wildcard in limits.conf that changes everyone elses limits except for root. |
| 16:59.00 | babilen | adi_: Gnome 3 is the default that will be installed if you select the "Desktop" task during the installation. |
| 16:59.12 | babilen | adi_: What is a "devpt environment" ? |
| 16:59.15 | tremon | Eryn_1983_FL: maybe someone who actually uses the nvidia blob can help you further, but fafaik you need the nvidia tool to configure rotation |
| 16:59.23 | Dan39 | if i ssh directly into the user, the limits are what they should be :P |
| 16:59.50 | p\mage | ok guys, to help you guys with the needle in the haystack, what's the difference between release n=sid and release a=sid in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 17:00.03 | p\mage | the n= vs. the a= |
| 17:00.04 | Dan39 | now i wonder if stuff run un users crontab get the users limits, or roots... hmmm |
| 17:00.05 | adi_ | babilen my purpose is to contribute |
| 17:00.39 | jordilopezamat | ok... first things first Jordi. I've just plugged my new SSD onto my laptop's 2,5'' slot... Āæhow should i be fdisking it ? |
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| 17:00.42 | babilen | adi_: Is "devpt" some strange and ad-hoc abbreviation of "development" ? |
| 17:00.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyidea???http://sprunge.us/MDjZ |
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| 17:00.59 | tremon | p\mage: man apt_preferences. a= archive name, n=release codename |
| 17:01.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah but its not in the nvidia-settings to rotate |
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| 17:01.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got an old version or something is what they told me laste time i got no option to rotate in the the tool |
| 17:01.38 | p\mage | tremon, so there's not much of a difference since the debian mirrors use the same archive name as the release codename, right? |
| 17:01.49 | adi_ | ok babilen i want take part in development and contribute |
| 17:02.01 | jordilopezamat | after 'sudo fdisk -H 224 -S 56 /dev/sdb' i'm receiving a 'fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb: No such file or directory'... i'm puzzled:-/ |
| 17:02.02 | jordilopezamat | ' |
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| 17:02.55 | tremon | p\mage: the archive names are stable, testing, unstable and experimental. The current codenames are wheezy, jessie and sid |
| 17:03.27 | p\mage | oh, so if I just said a=unstable it would be future proof? |
| 17:03.48 | babilen | adi_: The best way is probably to install and use Debian, but you can also run it in a virtual machine on, say, Ubuntu or Windows if you prefer that. Ways to contribute to Debian are detailed on http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ and http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/30/how-to-start-contributing-to-debian/ |
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| 17:03.58 | usrnix | Hi, I have a glitch where sometimes after waking from sleep (on GNOME3, debian7) text/font gets really weird, unreadable missing pixels and out of alignment with the letters, anyone heard of this? causes? fixes other than restarting? I have IntelHDgraphics |
| 17:04.40 | jordilopezamat | ok... no reactions to my question there... jordi, should you be trying in #debian-es , in your native language ? maybe is a question of... |
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| 17:05.36 | babilen | jordilopezamat: Aren't you talking to "jordi" ? |
| 17:05.43 | mbruins | hi trying to change my local time in cli what am i wrong? >> http://pastebin.com/9BJyt0MC |
| 17:05.49 | babilen | .oO( who is jordi ? ) |
| 17:05.59 | tremon | p\mage: yes, I'd say so |
| 17:06.53 | tremon | mbruins: setting the time or changing the timezone? |
| 17:07.06 | babilen | mbruins: Looks as if your hardware clock is fast by two hours. |
| 17:07.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell mbruins about ntp |
| 17:07.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell mbruins about set time |
| 17:07.43 | mbruins | the universel time is spot on but the local issnt sad enough, did check the bios no probs there |
| 17:07.52 | jordilopezamat | babilen, i was just thinking loud ! ... thanks for your attention towards my mental health |
| 17:07.56 | jordilopezamat | :-P |
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| 17:08.38 | jordilopezamat | yep, babilen ... before that, i was trying to pose a question on SSD to the community here, with no success... |
| 17:08.41 | mbruins | should ik give ntp a go? or doessnt that change the problem? |
| 17:08.48 | tremon | mbruins: the current utc time is 17:08 |
| 17:08.54 | spreeuw | jordilopezamat: what was it? |
| 17:09.07 | jordilopezamat | hi spreeuw ! ... |
| 17:09.12 | spreeuw | the answer is : yes get one |
| 17:09.23 | mbruins | tremon: quess i need CEST then, but its two hours ahead strange enough |
| 17:09.29 | spreeuw | dont hi me that enthusiastically, I dont know you |
| 17:09.57 | tremon | mbruins: is this a dual-boot machine with windows? |
| 17:09.59 | babilen | jordilopezamat: Sorry, the way you phrased your follow-up "questions" gave the impression as if you were actually being helped by someone and I didn't pay further attention to them. I now realise that you were simply mumbling to yourself. My advice would be to not do that in the future :) |
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| 17:10.08 | jordilopezamat | newbie, here... i am trying to partition/align and then clone/migrate my system to my new SSD drive |
| 17:10.09 | mbruins | tremon: nop |
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| 17:10.57 | jordilopezamat | i take not... babilen, although i cannot promise |
| 17:11.00 | babilen | jordilopezamat: I also can't find a real question. I have no specific experience with a migration, but it is hard to help if we don't know what your problem is. :) |
| 17:11.14 | mbruins | could it have something to do with my hardware clock? |
| 17:11.25 | jordilopezamat | sure babilen ! ... let my try to explain myself... |
| 17:11.28 | tremon | mbruins: ok, then simply install ntp and run ntpd -gq once |
| 17:12.03 | babilen | mbruins: UTC is not spot on -- It is Sun 21 Jul 17:11:46 UTC 2013 not two hours later (like in your setting) |
| 17:12.18 | tremon | mbruins: yes, your hardware clock was set to local time (either by yourself in the bios, or through windows). Linux always assumes the hardware clock is in utc |
| 17:12.21 | mbruins | babilen: yeah i understand now thanks thats UTC not CEST |
| 17:12.36 | babilen | mbruins: Are you dual booting windows? |
| 17:12.46 | mbruins | tremon: ntp -gq will change that? |
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| 17:12.55 | mbruins | babilen: no did boot tails once but that linux aswell |
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| 17:13.14 | tremon | always read the man page before copy-pasting something from the internet :) |
| 17:13.26 | tremon | and it's ntpd -gq |
| 17:13.35 | mbruins | i will ty |
| 17:14.13 | babilen | mbruins: Then you should set your system clock to UTC and configure your timezone correctly. tremon gave one example on how to do that. You could also set it manually with date and let ntp do the fine-adjustment. |
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| 17:14.44 | mbruins | thanks guys looking into ntp now, will report back |
| 17:15.10 | jordilopezamat | babilen and beloved community be warned that i'm a newbie :-D, as you might already have noticed... The Question: i've just bought a new SSD, inserted onto my laptop's, if i try to fdisk it ... like, 'sudo fdisk -H 224 -S 56 /dev/sdb' (pls. correct me if i'm wrong ), i'm getting 'fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb' Āæwhat am i missing there? :-/ |
| 17:16.27 | dD | How can I have bot alt+shift and alt+shift+tab as shortcuts? I had it before, in a previous version of gnome, but now I can't. |
| 17:16.27 | mbruins | well that looked liked it worked! |
| 17:16.30 | mbruins | thanks alt guys |
| 17:16.52 | babilen | jordilopezamat: I would guess that you only have a single harddisk in your laptop and that the new harddisk is actually /dev/sda -- You typically shouldn't specify the -H and -S option manually |
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| 17:17.05 | babilen | sorry, have to run |
| 17:17.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | is this the right syntax for rotation on Xorg? Option "Rotate" "Left" |
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| 17:17.47 | p\mage | is this the most unloving thing you could do to your computer? stable -> unstable? |
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| 17:18.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | SID |
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| 17:22.46 | Woet | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:22.46 | Woet | /dev/xvda1 7.9G 7.7G 0 100% / |
| 17:22.49 | Woet | how is this possible? |
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| 17:23.22 | p\mage | Woet, what? the used disc space? |
| 17:23.30 | Woet | the avail being 0 |
| 17:23.31 | p\mage | how it says available 0? |
| 17:23.34 | Woet | yes |
| 17:23.35 | joj | Does anybody know why fglrx-glx is not available in Sid anymore - all fglrx-* packages have been =13.4-2 for a while but fglrx-glx did not get updated. Or does anybody know where I could look the status of packages up? |
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| 17:23.57 | Woet | and "du -hcs /" reports 1.1 GB being used |
| 17:24.16 | p\mage | Woet, oh, well um...some space is reserved for the super user root so that either the system doesn't crash or that the super user has enough space to fix things |
| 17:24.21 | jxport_ | trevon: you still here? I'm booted into a debian shell. Couldn't remember which command tyyou suggested earlier! |
| 17:24.33 | p\mage | by default, it's 5% of the maximum disc space |
| 17:24.50 | jxport_ | If you (or anyone here actually) could pm me a paste of what was said to me, that'd be great! |
| 17:24.52 | Woet | yea i know about the 5% but the du doesn't make sense |
| 17:25.01 | p\mage | no idea then |
| 17:25.10 | p\mage | OH |
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| 17:25.27 | p\mage | maybe all that space is held up in deleted but open files |
| 17:25.35 | tremon | jxport: if all else fails, try readlink /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-[..] |
| 17:25.57 | p\mage | in *NIX when you delete a file and a program still has it open, it will not delete the file until the file is closed |
| 17:26.08 | jxport_ | Thanks tremon. |
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| 17:26.20 | p\mage | so rebooting/init 1 then init 5 might help |
| 17:26.28 | p\mage | other than that I have no idea |
| 17:26.36 | tremon | p\mage: debian's default runlevel is 2 |
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| 17:26.59 | p\mage | tremon, oh, then.... Woet init 1 then init 2 |
| 17:27.09 | Woet | i've rebooted and it's back to 1.1 GB |
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| 17:27.18 | Woet | how to find those deleted but open files |
| 17:27.18 | Woet | lsof? |
| 17:27.26 | OldParr | debian do not recognizes the flash drive but windows does, how do i mount it in debian? |
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| 17:28.10 | nkuttler | OldParr: how is it connected? |
| 17:28.12 | p\mage | Woet, lsof with a script to loop over all pids |
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| 17:31.06 | VsioZashibis | whats the latest debian version :? |
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| 17:32.50 | babilen | VsioZashibis: Wheezy (Debian 7.1) is the last stable release |
| 17:32.58 | VsioZashibis | thanks |
| 17:33.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell VsioZashibis about wheezy |
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| 17:36.20 | OldParr | i can not mount the flash drive dmesg --> http://paste.debian.net/17554/ |
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| 17:39.09 | OldParr | i tink this is the problem: --> Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 2068421, but i don't know how to delete the partition |
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| 17:40.07 | OldParr | i am triying to delete the flash drive partition but gparted does not works |
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| 17:42.21 | OldParr | please i need to delete the partition of the flash drive but an error in a logical block does not lets gparted to read the partition |
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| 17:42.46 | nkuttler | OldParr: that looks like the drive is dying |
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| 17:43.54 | nkuttler | OldParr: i guess it could also be a fault usb cable or something.. but when i had such errors the drive was always bad |
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| 17:43.58 | nkuttler | faulty |
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| 17:44.38 | OldParr | nkuttler: but the error says logical block not physical ...? |
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| 17:46.34 | nkuttler | OldParr: see if the hd vendor has some diagnostics tool, or smartmontools |
| 17:46.54 | nkuttler | but i don't thinkt the latter works with usb drives (?) |
| 17:47.09 | ido370 | how can i remove/disable the workspace switcher in gnome classic 3.4.2 on wheezy? |
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| 17:52.45 | irgendwer4711 | hi, how to create a bzip2 compressed initrd with make-kpkg? |
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| 18:00.56 | georgij_________ | Hi everyone, My proftpd was working perfectly but suddenly from nowhere *creepy* I cannot start the server. Getting the error proftpdsearch proftpd[20603]: warning: unable to determine IP address of 'search' |
| 18:01.52 | georgij_________ | does anyone have any knowledge of what I should do/ |
| 18:01.53 | georgij_________ | ? |
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| 18:02.26 | Azrael_- | georgij_________: what did you change? |
| 18:02.49 | dD | georgij_________, is your computer named "search"? |
| 18:02.58 | georgij_________ | Azrael_-: Absolutely nothing, that's the crazy part. |
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| 18:03.39 | georgij_________ | dD: No It's called sublevel, found that pretty crazy as well. |
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| 18:04.23 | dD | georgij_________, is there anything weird in your /etc/hosts file? |
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| 18:06.19 | georgij_________ | dD: not really. Just 127.0.0.1 localhost debian/n _my_ip_address_ sublevel |
| 18:06.37 | chipotle | hi, i'm trying to transfer files from my debian machine to my freenas machine, over ethernetā¦ how do i locate the freenas box in the CLI, after i've loaded and authenticated via the gui. i want to do it in the CLI for speed and reliability... |
| 18:06.47 | chipotle | can i use cp, or do i have to do scp? please advise... |
| 18:07.10 | georgij_________ | dD: and 3 more lines describing that it is desireable for IPv6 capable hosts. |
| 18:07.34 | Azrael_- | chipotle: if you want to avoid all problems i like to use tar+netcat :) |
| 18:07.35 | georgij_________ | dD: /n---> escape character for new line |
| 18:07.45 | chipotle | Azrael_-: well, isn't cp fastest? |
| 18:07.55 | chipotle | Azrael_-: how do i see networked connected boxes in CLI? what dir is it in? |
| 18:08.06 | chipotle | i'm connected via afp... |
| 18:08.14 | Azrael_- | uhm, no idea |
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| 18:08.38 | chipotle | but i can connect via nfs if necessary... |
| 18:09.48 | georgij_________ | dD: Is my information insufficient? :S |
| 18:10.40 | dD | georgij_________, yeah. It's not that :/ I've never used proftpd, but basically, it thinks that your hostname is search. How about in the conf file? Anything there? |
| 18:12.35 | georgij_________ | dD: It's a clean install |
| 18:12.52 | georgij_________ | dD: I did apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 18:13.33 | mumpitzel | georgij_________: check your hostname, for DNS and the machine itself |
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| 18:13.58 | mumpitzel | georgij_________: hostname;cat /etc/hosts |
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| 18:14.53 | georgij_________ | mumpitzel: Omg!! I didn't see this but my server seems to be named search. How did this happen? |
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| 18:15.11 | find-help | hi, im trying to use the "find" command to say find 1expr OR 2expr exec something. The problem is that if the 1 expr is true then the 2nd expression isnt executed. |
| 18:15.20 | find-help | so anyone know how i can say say if 1 expr is true still continue to second expr regardless |
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| 18:15.58 | find-help | find . -type f -iname expr1 -o expr2 -exec echo '{}' \; something like this but for both expr1 + 2 |
| 18:15.59 | mumpitzel | find-help: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 18:16.04 | find-help | debian |
| 18:16.11 | mumpitzel | then why did you ask in #ubuntu? |
| 18:16.12 | georgij_________ | mumpitzel: When writing hostname it's named search. in /etc/hosts the ip address is named sublevel and 127.0.0.1 localhost & debian |
| 18:16.32 | mumpitzel | georgij_________: man hostname then |
| 18:17.02 | find-help | usually quicker responses in there and as the Os's are so similar i thought it would be fine |
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| 18:18.10 | mumpitzel | find-help: you're funny but transparent |
| 18:18.13 | georgij_________ | mumpitzel: Thanks it is working now, must have written hostname, by mistake sorry. |
| 18:18.14 | find-help | sorry if that has broken a rule, wasnt intentional |
| 18:18.37 | find-help | well kinda was but you know ... |
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| 18:21.03 | find-help | can you help at all ? |
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| 18:22.18 | Robert_L | when battling config files I'm often running /etc/init.d/(samba,cups,apache2,whatever) reload. The problem is that I can't just !last_command it. Is there a service restart/reload command in debian? so I could do something like svc reload samba, then just !svc to do it again? |
| 18:23.39 | find-help | Robert_L: sudo service samba stop |
| 18:23.51 | Robert_L | find-help, rock on, thanks |
| 18:24.01 | find-help | Robert_L: sudo service apache2 reload |
| 18:24.41 | find-help | Robert_L: know anything about using "find" ? ?? ? |
| 18:25.28 | find-help | 1241 people and not one can answer, it so helpfull in these places ...... |
| 18:25.39 | Robert_L | find-help I usually grep for what I want from find |
| 18:25.50 | Robert_L | find-help, the sum total of my find usage is find ./ | grep something |
| 18:26.01 | find-help | why grep out ? |
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| 18:26.34 | find-help | im trying to not pipe out to grep | xargs etc... |
| 18:26.57 | Robert_L | find-help, because when I tried to use it 5 years ago I struggled with it, found grep was suitable for me, and moved on |
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| 18:27.24 | Robert_L | some solaris drivers at work rock the find, I likes my grep |
| 18:27.36 | find-help | Robert_L: fair enough, if it solves your problem then game on |
| 18:27.47 | aussa | hi, can you help me configure my laptop's front mic? I have tried some online suggestions but still doesn't work |
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| 18:28.03 | find-help | aussa: alsamixer |
| 18:28.13 | find-help | aussa: is it muted ? |
| 18:28.24 | aussa | find-help, no, I checked |
| 18:28.25 | find-help | aussa: "MM" means Mute |
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| 18:28.31 | find-help | aussa: sure ? |
| 18:29.06 | find-help | aussa: confirm it says "00" |
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| 18:30.28 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 18:30.28 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 18:30.51 | aussa | find-help, yeah, I have a doubt though, what is the difference between Mic and Internal Mic, and what should I do about the Boost? |
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| 18:35.27 | find-help | aussa: not sure dont have internal mic, but dont turn on the boost it just makes lots of feedback |
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| 18:35.34 | find-help | is "capture" up ? |
| 18:35.52 | aussa | find-help, yes, at 100 |
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| 18:42.54 | IRIDIUM | holaaa Quieres ver canal plus GRaTiS, gol Tv, canales temƔticos... y mucho mas??? entra en: www.refectori.com |
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| 18:53.45 | R0SSI | What is Workman layout: http://www.workmanlayout.com/blog/ -> I've followed this link for installation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1131241/comments/1 (I could not find any guid via Google except this one as bug!) -> However, It's working but I cant switch between pre-layouts! -> I can't also find it in Gnome > settings > keyboard > layouts ? |
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| 18:57.00 | rudi_s | mumpitzel: Well, the official frontend is iptables ;-) |
| 18:57.24 | rudi_s | stmiller: Just use iptables{,-apply,-restore,-save} |
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| 18:58.23 | R0SSI | is there any experience of Workman installtion layout here? |
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| 19:07.36 | Rust3dCor3 | any one? |
| 19:08.39 | OldParr | nkuttler: it doesnt matters if dmesg says it's a logical block the problem? it can be instead of logical a phisical error ? |
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| 19:09.36 | Ketsa | Hi all : Is steam currently working in Jessie ? shall I upgrade if I am running wheezy and want steam ? |
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| 19:10.28 | ompaul | !steam |
| 19:10.28 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:12.27 | Ketsa | ompaul: Thanks. |
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| 19:14.12 | ompaul | Ketsa: hope it's useful |
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| 19:24.01 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I am trying to install debian from usb pendrive, but i only get a blinking cursor when i boot from USB |
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| 19:25.46 | ompaul | Alina-malina: have you told your bios to boot from usb? |
| 19:25.52 | Alina-malina | yes |
| 19:26.09 | ompaul | Alina-malina: then change usb ports |
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| 19:26.27 | ompaul | Alina-malina: also how old is your hardware? |
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| 19:26.29 | Alina-malina | just a moment i try that |
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| 19:26.46 | Alina-malina | ompaul, old |
| 19:26.50 | Alina-malina | very old |
| 19:26.53 | ompaul | Alina-malina: how did you create the disk |
| 19:27.09 | ompaul | it may not support booting off anything other than what it considers to be usb0 |
| 19:27.22 | ompaul | old boxes were like that for a bit |
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| 19:27.36 | Alina-malina | i tried with this unetbootin-windows-585 and this: Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.3.7 same result |
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| 19:27.47 | ompaul | unetbootin is rubbish |
| 19:27.54 | Alina-malina | yes i noticed that |
| 19:27.54 | ompaul | do you have a linux install? |
| 19:28.05 | Alina-malina | on that machine there is windows XP currently |
| 19:28.10 | ompaul | do you have a linux install? |
| 19:28.11 | Alina-malina | i want to change it to debian |
| 19:28.15 | Alina-malina | i have an image |
| 19:28.16 | ompaul | do you have a linux install? |
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| 19:28.28 | ompaul | it's a straight question do you have a machine with a linux install |
| 19:28.32 | Alina-malina | no |
| 19:28.35 | ompaul | thanks |
| 19:28.37 | Alina-malina | i have only windiws |
| 19:28.43 | ompaul | hang on |
| 19:30.11 | ompaul | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
| 19:30.12 | ompaul | Alina-malina: start there |
| 19:30.14 | armybrat | I'm trying to create a dynamic motd by running a bash script from /etc/profile. I want to keep the "last login" line, but for some reason, it's being displayed before my motd instead of after (i want it after). What would be the best way to do that? |
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| 19:30.35 | Alina-malina | ompaul, ok let me try it! |
| 19:30.46 | ompaul | alazred: have you got a network problem? |
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| 19:31.36 | alazred | ompaul: yep I'm all set now ! =) |
| 19:31.59 | ompaul | armybrat: http://wiki.debian.org/motd |
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| 19:32.35 | eax | Hey there - Where can I download iwlwifi-1000.5 through iwlwifi-1000.1 ? |
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| 19:33.51 | armybrat | ompaul - I've already read that, and couldn't find anything about what I'm asking... Can you please point me to the chapter that should answer the question? |
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| 19:34.13 | ompaul | eax apt-cache show firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 19:34.52 | ompaul | armybrat: so you run last and add the output to How to script updates to your /etc/motd |
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| 19:34.59 | ompaul | armybrat: TIAS |
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| 19:37.39 | eax | ompaul, need to download it to a USB Drive - can I do that easily? |
| 19:38.01 | ompaul | eax: pool.debian.org |
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| 19:46.12 | Alina-malina | ompaul, no still the same |
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| 19:47.39 | ompaul | Alina-malina: what model is the machine |
| 19:47.55 | Alina-malina | intel 4 1 thread processor |
| 19:48.22 | armybrat | ompaul - yeah, but the last command doesn't generate the exact same output as what is displayed on original motd. I could ofcourse write something to tweak it, but I was hoping there was a command or an easier way to get the exact same line |
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| 19:49.01 | ompaul | armybrat: you have the itch, or if you prefer interest, I've shown you how to do something, you need to tweek it - send / awk are some of your friends |
| 19:49.18 | ompaul | Alina-malina: so you mean a Pentium 4 |
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| 19:49.41 | Alina-malina | yes |
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| 19:50.04 | ompaul | which one |
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| 19:50.27 | armybrat | ompaul - I know how I could do it. But there's no reason to over-engineer something if it could be done in a easier way :) thanks. |
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| 19:50.55 | ompaul | Alina-malina: which iso are you trying to boot from? |
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| 19:51.34 | Alina-malina | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/i386/webboot/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.initrd2.img |
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| 19:52.59 | ompaul | Alina-malina: that's not really an image .. |
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| 19:55.31 | ompaul | Alina-malina: your objective is to install yes? |
| 19:55.31 | ompaul | Alina-malina: are you on a wired connection? |
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| 19:57.09 | Alina-malina | ompaul, i am going to try this one: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.iso |
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| 19:59.11 | ompaul | Alina-malina: your objective is to install yes? |
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| 19:59.48 | Alina-malina | what you mean wired connection? |
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| 19:59.50 | ompaul | that would be better |
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| 20:05.52 | bujin | hi |
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| 20:06.04 | bujin | does anybody know a repository for installing kompozer? |
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| 20:06.51 | ompaul | ,version kompozer |
| 20:06.52 | judd | Package: kompozer on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1 |
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| 20:09.00 | bikeshedder | Does anyone know if there is a way to set up a macvlan with /etc/network/interfaces. Looking at interfaces(5) seams to tell me that it doesn't know about macvlan stuff. |
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| 20:59.17 | ketsa | !steam |
| 20:59.17 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:06.11 | ketsa | "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run : libGL.so.1" any ideas ? |
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| 21:12.42 | ompaul | !steam |
| 21:12.42 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:12.51 | ompaul | it told you multiarch needs to be there |
| 21:13.06 | ketsa | I already have multiarch |
| 21:14.09 | ketsa | Ah, for reference : I was missing libfglrx:i386, looks like it works. to find my account details now... |
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| 21:16.33 | caf | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents is useful if you know the file you need |
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| 21:28.14 | peterrooney | caf: there is also apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search filename |
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| 21:28.55 | peterrooney | ...because local tools are almost always faster and more powerful than online web front-ends to tools |
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| 22:08.36 | Elico1 | Hey there. I am settings up a snmpd on a linux box and I want to monitor the interfaces speed. if anyone have done this before please try to help a bit. Thanks |
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| 22:12.46 | georgij_________ | Hello, is there someone experienced with Regexp? |
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| 22:13.39 | Elico1 | georgij_________: shoot.. |
| 22:14.02 | georgij_________ | Elico1: Hm.. How can I fetch in between, |
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| 22:14.22 | Elico1 | what do you mean by fetch? |
| 22:14.26 | SineTheCreator | hey all. are there any decent office suites besides calligra and libre/open office? |
| 22:14.33 | georgij_________ | Test: Hello World\ntest test\n NewSubject: Fetch this too\nfetch fetch |
| 22:14.37 | Elico1 | Staroffice?? |
| 22:14.46 | daemonkeeper | Star Office? |
| 22:14.46 | SineTheCreator | Elico1: i'll check that out, thanks! |
| 22:15.06 | daemonkeeper | Star Office is no more for a 10 years? |
| 22:15.07 | Elico1 | it old and I have not seen it for years... |
| 22:15.24 | Elico1 | libreoffice was build on i |
| 22:15.26 | Elico1 | it |
| 22:15.31 | daemonkeeper | Of course you did not. It's called OpenOffice today :p |
| 22:15.58 | georgij_________ | Elico1: I want to fetch, what is after Test: and then fetch what is after NewSubject:. By fetch I mean to make them a capturing group. |
| 22:16.05 | SineTheCreator | ahh right, staroffice is that commercial suite that is built on the old openoffice branch |
| 22:16.12 | daemonkeeper | was. |
| 22:16.29 | daemonkeeper | It's not anymore. |
| 22:16.35 | SineTheCreator | yeah, correct. it seems it was discontinued in 2011 |
| 22:16.37 | Elico1 | maybe he can get it??? |
| 22:16.59 | Elico1 | georgij_________: have you heard about rubular?? |
| 22:17.00 | georgij_________ | Elico1: Something like: (.*):(.*).*: |
| 22:17.06 | SineTheCreator | nah, if i wanted to use something that outdated i'd just use koffice |
| 22:17.13 | Elico1 | http://rubular.com/ |
| 22:17.21 | SineTheCreator | welp, thanks anyways guys. i guess i'll install libreoffice :/ |
| 22:17.28 | Elico1 | This is a starter to see what you are aiming.. |
| 22:17.33 | Elico1 | what do you need SineTheCreator ?? |
| 22:17.39 | Elico1 | for the office suite to do? |
| 22:17.41 | georgij_________ | Elico1: I am using one now for 2 hours lol, I can't get the result I want :/ |
| 22:17.52 | Elico1 | ok give me an example... |
| 22:17.56 | SineTheCreator | Elico1: preferably a lightweight office suite that is also up-to-date and properly supports odt, odf, ods, etc |
| 22:18.00 | Elico1 | I will write something |
| 22:18.18 | SineTheCreator | i run trinity desktop on debian and koffice-trinity supports them but not properly |
| 22:18.25 | SineTheCreator | my spreadsheets are broken, etc |
| 22:18.25 | Elico1 | libreoffice is lighter then msoffice but on windows its hell... |
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| 22:18.50 | SineTheCreator | i'm installing libreoffice now but i don't expect it to run well :D |
| 22:18.58 | SineTheCreator | i am working with very old/underpowered hardware |
| 22:19.11 | Elico1 | georgij_________: you need iterator for that.. |
| 22:19.24 | frikinz | georgij_________: split by end of lines first ? |
| 22:19.31 | georgij_________ | http://rubular.com/r/fMGHpfkmJ0 |
| 22:20.39 | georgij_________ | frikinz: I dunno what u mean by that |
| 22:21.18 | Elico1 | SineTheCreator: Underpower is not the problem but more of the OS utilizing what it has.. |
| 22:21.20 | georgij_________ | the test string can also be compact |
| 22:21.48 | Elico1 | georgij_________: I would use iterator to match it and not just one regex but use a regex to match a start of a new subject |
| 22:22.24 | SineTheCreator | Elico1: which is exactly why i run trinity desktop :D it is by far the lightest desktop environment that is also up-to-date |
| 22:23.00 | Elico1 | georgij_________: like "each line test for new subject and if there is create new object in the array and add the line" |
| 22:23.19 | Elico1 | hoo and remember the new object to add new lines.. |
| 22:23.46 | Elico1 | georgij_________: regex was not meant to do what you are asking by itself.. |
| 22:23.50 | georgij_________ | Elico1: Hmm, I thought this could be accomplished with pure regexp. |
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| 22:24.37 | georgij_________ | Elico1: Ok thanks |
| 22:24.59 | Elico1 | georgij_________: maybe it is but you need to start like a regex to do that ;) my life is more then just regex.. |
| 22:25.12 | Elico1 | start think* |
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| 22:32.07 | ido370 | hello, i have a question |
| 22:32.46 | ido370 | i have a program, but i can only start it from the drectory it is in. How can i make it start from any directory i am? |
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| 22:33.53 | dondelelcaro | ido370: fix the program or write a script which changes directory to that directory, and then starts the program |
| 22:33.55 | brontosaurusrex | ido370, put it somewhere on the path or add its location to the path |
| 22:34.26 | dondelelcaro | or if you mean that you can start it by using the complete path no matter where you are, do what brontosaurusrex said |
| 22:34.30 | peterrooney | ido370: also, PLEASE remove "." from your PATH variable. |
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| 22:35.17 | ido370 | how can i add it to the path? i can start vlc, chrome etc from anywhere in the terminal, but i have snes9x which i need to go to the downloads/snes9x folder and then execute snes9x-gtk |
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| 22:35.35 | ido370 | i want to type snes9x-grk anywhere too but i dont know how to change that |
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| 22:35.53 | ido370 | i use openbox btw |
| 22:36.10 | frikinz | (cd download/snes9x; ./snes9x) |
| 22:36.49 | brontosaurusrex | ido370, echo $PATH < to see which are the locations |
| 22:36.52 | ido370 | yes, but i want to put it as 1 command in the rc.xml file from openbox (as shortcut key Super+s) |
| 22:37.21 | ido370 | echo $path is empty |
| 22:37.38 | ido370 | oh capitals :) |
| 22:38.05 | ido370 | so how can i add it to the existing path? |
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| 22:39.33 | brontosaurusrex | ido370, what does echo $PATH say? |
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| 22:40.02 | ido370 | /home/ido/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 22:40.14 | peterrooney | ido370: move the file to somewhere in your existing path. a natural location is /home/id0370/bin |
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| 22:40.48 | brontosaurusrex | then just move it to the /home/ido/bin |
| 22:40.59 | ido370 | can i make a link in /hoome/ido/bin to the snes9x program? |
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| 22:41.09 | brontosaurusrex | ido370, yeah |
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| 22:43.37 | ido370 | got it, created a symlink in /home/ido/bin to the snes9x program. thanks |
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| 22:59.53 | jhutchins | voxadm: Can you list it with the smbclient? |
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| 23:04.21 | weissbier | hi |
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| 23:05.52 | weissbier | i've an intel hda onboard sound card and it doesn't work anymore with the new 3.10-1 kernel |
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| 23:08.03 | gnarface | weissbier: doesn't work on any output, or you're just missing channels/ have channels coming out the wrong jacks in the wrong order? |
| 23:08.43 | weissbier | when i try to play something i get this: |
| 23:08.44 | weissbier | Audio device got stuck! |
| 23:09.30 | gnarface | oh. likely something you were trying to run (like vlc) crashed badly and won't give up the driver |
| 23:09.41 | gnarface | kill anything that accesses the soundcard and if necessary, remove and reload the snd_hda_intel module (and related) |
| 23:09.53 | weissbier | hm, i rebooted before.. |
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| 23:10.20 | gnarface | do you run startx, or do you have it load a graphical login manager? |
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| 23:10.35 | weissbier | i start my session with startx |
| 23:10.40 | gnarface | i would try rebooting without the graphical login manager and testing sound directly from the console after a clean boot with something like mpg321 or aplay |
| 23:11.01 | weissbier | okay |
| 23:11.21 | gnarface | keep in mind your window manager itself may also fight for the soundcard if its accessing it on the hardware device (hw,0.0) instead of the dmix device (default) |
| 23:11.43 | weissbier | i use i3wm, i don't know if it's using any sound devices |
| 23:11.47 | weissbier | but i'll try a reboot |
| 23:11.49 | gnarface | oh, weissbier if you don't have any audio files around, speaker-test is a great tool too (should come with the other alsa tools) |
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| 23:14.23 | weissbier | interesting, now on the terminal without X and PulseAudio mplayer seems to work |
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| 23:15.21 | weissbier | why do i've a bad intention that this was a problem of pulseaudio? |
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| 23:16.15 | SineTheCreator | hey guys, running debian 7.1, how do i install a kernel that has proper ACPI support? |
| 23:16.31 | SineTheCreator | apparently the currently running kernel does not, because my laptop's power management features are not working |
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| 23:18.24 | gnarface | weissbier: you mean a bad feeling? i have had numerous similar problems with pulseaudio. i just disable/remove it because i understand alsa fairly well but pulseaudio absolutely not at all |
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| 23:18.55 | weissbier | yes, bad feeling is correct, sorry |
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| 23:19.19 | gnarface | also, i think pulseaudio is stereo only still? can someone correct me on that? |
| 23:19.56 | gnarface | is using a 5.1 speaker setup with a 7.1 onboard snd_hda_intel device |
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| 23:21.10 | gnarface | has enough trouble with it auto-configuring how many channels its gonna have based on analog jack sensing |
| 23:21.27 | gnarface | never found pulseaudio useful |
| 23:21.30 | gnarface | doesn't use gnome |
| 23:21.35 | SineTheCreator | i use alsa |
| 23:21.52 | SineTheCreator | i don't have a multi-channel setup though |
| 23:21.56 | SineTheCreator | just stereo setups |
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| 23:25.50 | peterrooney | pulseaudio has no readily available tools for users to build a mental model of what it actually does. |
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| 23:42.05 | weissbier | thanks anybody and i'll do aptitude purge pulseaudio now :3 |
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| 23:59.14 | thor_ | Hello :) |
