IRC log for #debian on 20130722

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`00:09.44`	`ClaudioAutiero`	`hello, i find italian chat of Debian :)`
`00:09.48`	`nvz`	`probably because that question has no context what so ever`
`00:09.51`	`nvz`	`!it`
`00:09.51`	`dpkg`	`Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.`
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`00:10.02`	`ClaudioAutiero`	`nvz! Thx ser!`
`00:10.28`	`nvz`	`nessun problema`
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`00:40.45`	`ClaudioA`	`there's an official developer online ? :)`
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`00:42.37`	`abrotman`	`for what?`
`00:44.35`	`ClaudioA`	`abrotman: help to find bugs on applications :)`
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`00:51.28`	`abrotman`	`ClaudioA: we have a BTS for that .. or do you mean to file new bugs?`
`00:53.00`	`ClaudioA`	`abrotman: ohh - i find on debian home - a good packed for work :)`
`00:53.12`	`abrotman`	`what?`
`00:53.18`	`ClaudioA`	`abrotman: but if you know a package where there's some work :) tell me`
`00:53.35`	`abrotman`	`!iy`
`00:53.36`	`abrotman`	`!it`
`00:53.45`	`abrotman`	`!it`
`00:53.45`	`dpkg`	`Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.`
`00:53.48`	`abrotman`	`grr`
`00:54.09`	`Th0masR0ss`	`wat`
`00:54.17`	`ClaudioA`	`yes, but i like debian :)`
`00:54.27`	`ClaudioA`	`Is better to learn english :)`
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`00:54.50`	`Th0masR0ss`	`learn English in ##english not #debian`
`00:55.01`	`abrotman`	`##English technically :)`
`00:55.28`	`Th0masR0ss`	`gives up`
`00:55.53`	`nvz`	`technically case is irrelevant in irc`
`00:56.22`	`abrotman`	`That's what they name their own channel`
`00:56.50`	`ClaudioA`	`no -_- i want help in debian :)`
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`01:25.35`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`hey guys anybody here?`
`01:25.47`	`ClaudioA`	`me`
`01:25.47`	`ClaudioA`	`:)`
`01:25.47`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`how do i get a video player to span two monitors?`
`01:25.57`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`like mplayer is what i am using since i don got opengl support`
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`01:43.13`	`seeker61`	`need the command to change permissions on file to rwx so I can execute a driver file`
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`01:45.26`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: tell seeker61 about permissions`
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`01:46.35`	`seeker61`	`thanks abrotman`
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`02:02.39`	`daveee123`	`can someone help me find the dependencies for this? https://github.com/triffid/gcodeview i want to use apt-get, but i cannot figure out the name of the dependencies in the repositories`
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`02:04.23`	`abrotman`	`daveee123: it has them listed at the bottom ?`
`02:04.31`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: yea`
`02:04.46`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: i think SDL may not be apt-get-able`
`02:04.54`	`abrotman`	`yes, it very much is`
`02:04.59`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions libsdl-dev`
`02:05.00`	`judd`	`No package named 'libsdl-dev' was found in i386.`
`02:05.03`	`abrotman`	`bah . .it's there`
`02:05.15`	`dvs`	`nope`
`02:05.21`	`abrotman`	`judd: versoins libsdl1.2-dev`
`02:05.26`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions libsdl1.2-dev`
`02:05.27`	`judd`	`Package: libsdl1.2-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.14-6.1; jessie: 1.2.15-5; sid: 1.2.15-5; wheezy: 1.2.15-5`
`02:06.51`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: it is there`
`02:07.13`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: thanks so much. i did an apt-cache search, but i could not guess which to install`
`02:07.40`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: libsdl-dev worked for me, i'm on amd64 version of debian wheezy`
`02:07.56`	`abrotman`	`daveee123: in general, when trying to compile, you're looking for -dev packages`
`02:08.22`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: good to know`
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`02:13.55`	`daveee123`	`abrotman: awesome. working`
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`02:14.38`	`abrotman`	`enjoy`
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`02:24.14`	`tinkster`	`I just updated from squeeze to wheezy, now there's strange stuff going on with the package management. If I e.g. try to install python-gitdb aptitude tells me there's no current version or candidate`
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`02:24.40`	`tinkster`	`But I can happily manually download and install stuff ... how do I remedy this?`
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`03:01.37`	`neoplus`	`hi`
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`03:42.47`	`meow`	`does anyone know that game where there's bubbles, and the new bubbles have numbers (i.e. 1-7), and you stack the bubbles and they pop. it's in the format of bejeweled/candy crush (not a side scroller). it's at least 3-5 years old.`
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`03:51.45`	`JacquesBH`	`Hi guys, I'm searching a tool like ipfw on bsd... but on debian`
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`03:53.15`	`JacquesBH`	`Or maybe a howto which explains usage of iptables like ipfw... ?`
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`03:58.59`	`o`	`Where can I learn about project/package-specific release goals? For example: what's the jessie release goals for the gnome packaging team?`
`03:59.36`	`themill`	`release goals are distribution-wide not specific to packages or even teams`
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`04:00.36`	`o`	`Debian release goals are, but packagers have goals right?`
`04:00.55`	`[E]sc`	`i'm running debian wheezy, and i recently found out my folder is automatically being shared across the network. i tried finding the place to disable that but i haven't been successful. does anyone know where i can do this? samba? or something? on the windows' side says it's using something from live.gnome.org, but i'm using kde`
`04:03.42`	`o`	`I mean: how can I know which version(s) of GNOME will be included in jessie?`
`04:04.09`	`themill`	`o: no-one can know that`
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`04:06.28`	`o`	`themill: I'm new to Debian and don't yet understand the packaging process. How does a packaging team decide which version to include? Do they usually try to integrate the latest version available?`
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`04:10.08`	`themill`	`o: the latest version that they expect to be fit to be included in a stable release`
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`04:13.11`	`o`	`themill: alright, that makes sense. it'd be fun to have teams publish their expectations/goals for next-stable though. thanks.`
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`04:51.17`	`anon411`	`hi, i have server on openvz with debian 6 and i very suffer through obsolete apt-get repository. What can i do?(other thank installing everything from sources! and fight with dependencies)`
`04:51.34`	`anon411`	`*than`
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`04:54.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: you could dist-upgrade to 7.x`
`04:54.15`	`SineTheCreator`	`alternatively, you could replace your repos`
`04:54.17`	`anon411`	`on openvz i can't change kernel`
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`04:55.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah but you shouldn't need to. i dist-upgraded from debian 5 to debian 6 on my openVZ VPS`
`04:55.14`	`anon411`	`there are alternative repos? i have been looking for them but i haven't found anything interesting`
`04:55.19`	`SineTheCreator`	`also my repos still work in debian 6. are you sure there isn't a network issue?`
`04:56.12`	`anon411`	`They work, but content is obsolete`
`04:56.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh. well yes, of course :D`
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`04:56.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`can someone else chime in here? i'm not positive about debian`
`04:56.50`	`SineTheCreator`	`er`
`04:56.52`	`anon411`	`> fluxbox version 1.1.1`
`04:56.55`	`anon411`	`ekhem`
`04:56.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`debian's* support cycle`
`04:57.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh. i thought you meant security vulnerabilities`
`04:57.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`well, the most obvious answer is "deal with it"`
`04:57.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`but`
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`04:57.27`	`anon411`	`it have been realased 5 years ago`
`04:57.32`	`SineTheCreator`	`you could always do a full backup and try dist-upgrading to debian 7`
`04:57.38`	`SineTheCreator`	`the kernel upgrade will fail, obviously`
`04:57.42`	`SineTheCreator`	`but it shouldn't break anything`
`04:58.02`	`germs`	`well, if it's a vps, snapshot it and march forward`
`04:58.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`you can also change some configs to work around any other upgrade bugs. there is stuff on google to help, or should be.`
`04:58.06`	`germs`	`or make a new one`
`04:58.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`that is, assuming there are upgrade bugs`
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`04:58.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`my 5 > 6 upgrade was quite painless`
`04:58.36`	`themill`	`Wheezy is known to not work on some ancient openvz instances.`
`04:58.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`i did it on a new install though`
`04:58.46`	`SineTheCreator`	`themill: ahh`
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`04:59.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`my provider only supplies debian 5, not 6 or 7. thus the manual upgrade :(`
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`04:59.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`i would try to go to 7 but things are working fine so i see no reason to upgrade.`
`04:59.45`	`anon411`	`consider that i wouldn't upgrade. is it possible to deliver newer version of applications and avoid manual compiling?`
`05:00.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: yes, via backports`
`05:00.21`	`anon411`	`it's something like overlays in gentoo?`
`05:00.23`	`themill`	`anon411: I'd recommend finding someone else to give your money to for this VPS.`
`05:00.36`	`germs`	`pretty much that ^`
`05:00.37`	`SineTheCreator`	`http://backports.debian.org/`
`05:00.45`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: check that out ^`
`05:00.46`	`germs`	`it's openVZ, it's not like they're difficult to find`
`05:00.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah that is also true`
`05:01.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: who is your VPS provider if you don't mind me asking?`
`05:01.15`	`SineTheCreator`	`also, what do you pay for what level of hardware/storage/etc`
`05:01.39`	`anon411`	`sineTheCreator very little known`
`05:01.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`:/`
`05:02.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`um... so you don't know who you send money to every month, or how much stuff they give you for your money? :D`
`05:02.08`	`anon411`	`10$ for 1gb ram, 10gb storage, 100mbit and unlimited bandwidth`
`05:02.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`ok`
`05:02.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`that's not a very good deal actually`
`05:02.31`	`anon411`	`i mean provider is very little known`
`05:02.38`	`germs`	`I believe it is "1GB wink wink"`
`05:02.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`i pay $7/mo for multiple VPSes that each have 2gb of ram, 50 gigs of storage, a 1000mbit pipe and 2TB monthly data per VPS`
`05:03.01`	`anon411`	`oh ,my bad. 1 GB`
`05:03.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`the only drawback is openVZ and as i said outdated distro selection`
`05:03.31`	`germs`	`I mean, if they're only charging $10 on an OpenVZ box, they're overselling it at least a bit just to make ends meet`
`05:03.34`	`anon411`	`i paid it 8 hours ago for next 3 months ;D`
`05:03.39`	`anon411`	`you makes me angry`
`05:03.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: request a refund. you can do that.`
`05:03.59`	Claudio`	`good morning! :)`
`05:04.01`	Claudio`	`Debian!`
`05:04.05`	`SineTheCreator`	hi Claudio`
`05:04.15`	Claudio`	`elow ser! :)`
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`05:04.37`	`anon411`	`what is your provider?`
`05:04.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm, i wonder if i should consider upgrading`
`05:04.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: chicago VPS. they're not the best by far, but for the price it's quite right.`
`05:05.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`i've rented from them for nearly two years now and in that time i think there have only been a few major outages`
`05:05.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`i.e. half a day, or one day`
`05:05.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`uptime has actually been pretty close to on-par`
`05:06.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`last year their data center got hit by a worm which was the data center's fault, not theres. we were down for an entire day then.`
`05:06.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`besides that it's just been minor stuff and scheduled maintenance`
`05:06.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`i got in on a coupon deal where each VPS i rent is only $7/mo forever. they are normally $25/mo.`
`05:06.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`but they run the coupon every three months or so to fill unused nodes`
`05:07.16`	`SineTheCreator`	`if you be patient you can grab one. i keep adding servers to our pool every time :D`
`05:07.42`	`anon411`	`:D`
`05:07.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`my guess is that they buy more hardware every quarter, and then at the end of that quarter they try to cheaply fill what isn't utilized.`
`05:07.52`	`SineTheCreator`	`which is a pretty good idea.`
`05:08.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`it honestly makes me want to get into the VPS provider game`
`05:08.19`	`germs`	`it's not worth it`
`05:08.28`	`germs`	`too much risk, too many people over selling and under providing`
`05:08.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: true. but risk, at least, can be mitigated with a good user agreement :D`
`05:09.01`	`germs`	`unless you're going to build something rock-solid with a price tag you're going to be cutting your own throat to keep that pile running`
`05:09.17`	`SineTheCreator`	`you mean like rackspace or linode`
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`05:09.27`	`germs`	`And an LLC, and a lawyer, or if you seriously screw up someone could sue you and take your house`
`05:09.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`something as close to perfect as possible but with a price tag to match`
`05:09.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`nah, i am already incorporated`
`05:09.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have private asset protection`
`05:09.43`	`germs`	`S or C?`
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`05:09.50`	`SineTheCreator`	`C`
`05:10.15`	`germs`	`You'll still want to get insurance for the risk. There are a lot of terrible things about the hosting world`
`05:10.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`i own this and provide/do all of the stuff on the services pages -> http://nitescorporate.com / http://nitesstudios.com`
`05:10.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`i am also insured :D`
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`05:10.50`	`germs`	`Alright, whatever you say, go for it`
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`05:11.15`	`SineTheCreator`	`i wouldn't do it unless i could get a good deal with a local data center`
`05:11.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`if that was possible i'd say all systems go and start buying rack hardware`
`05:11.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'd probably run opensolaris and xen`
`05:12.03`	`daveee123`	`how do you pull up the other application menu in gnome3. not the one in the overview, but the standalone menu`
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`05:18.32`	`anon411`	`SineTheCreator have you ever have your mail server?`
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`05:21.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: yes, i run my own. it's a modified iredmail gpl server running postfix/postfixadmin, dovecot, mysql, managesieve, spamassassin, and davical for contact/calendar management.`
`05:22.10`	`SineTheCreator`	`oh and roundcube webmail`
`05:22.42`	`anon411`	`thanks for interesting list. i need to read something about postfix`
`05:22.45`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have some employees and some clients that use our services so it helps to have everything we need`
`05:23.19`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: if you want to setup a mail server easily, give iredmail a try. http://www.iredmail.org/`
`05:23.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's literally a 5-10 minute setup on debian`
`05:23.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`building a mail server from scratch can take hours if you don't have your configs ready beforehand.`
`05:23.42`	`anon411`	`i've tried on vanilla postfix`
`05:23.47`	`anon411`	`pretty complex thing`
`05:23.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`postfix by itself is not the mail server, it's just the mail transfer agent`
`05:24.16`	`SineTheCreator`	`you need all of the packages i listed above to make a complete mailserver. except davical and roundcube webmail.`
`05:24.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`installing the packages is easy on debian, but configuring them to work with your reverse DNS and hostname and to work together correctly is a massive undertaking.`
`05:25.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`they do not come pre-configured to 'just work'`
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`05:25.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`that's what iredmail is - it's a set of configs that are ready to rock with a simple text-mode gui installer for setting the basic settings like IPs, hostnames, etc etc`
`05:26.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`i do recommend you install postfixadmin though. the supplied iredmail admin software on the free release sucks.`
`05:26.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`installing postfixadmin on an iredmail setup is fairly simple, it's basically a drop-in install. all you basically have to do is install the postfixadmin package and then execute a sql script on your mail database.`
`05:27.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`there is documentation on how to do just that on google.`
`05:28.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`if you are not familiar with mysql cli you can install and use phpmyadmin to run sql scripts against mysql databases.`
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`05:29.16`	`SineTheCreator`	`you can also install a gui management tool like webmin but i recommend you set it up for localhost access only and then tunnel in via ssh, for security reasons.`
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`05:29.45`	`Zeranoe`	`I currently have a double partition drive with Debian and Windows installed. Currently grub has the boot preference, but I want to remove the debian partition and just use Windows. Is there any way to do this without breaking Windows?`
`05:29.47`	`anon411`	`thank you so much`
`05:29.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: sure :D i hope any of this helped`
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`05:30.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: yes, definitely. you will need a windows CD or DVD though.`
`05:30.32`	`SineTheCreator`	`what version of windows? XP? 7?`
`05:30.36`	`anon411`	`you know, i can have many books but they don't describe those things`
`05:31.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: yeah. i figured out way back that the best way for me to learn how to build these things is to just dive in and consult google when i get stuck`
`05:31.15`	`Zeranoe`	`SineTheCreator: Windows 7`
`05:31.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have built mail servers from scratch and i know how to do it, but for a production server i just roll iredmail because it's a lot easier to setup and maintain.`
`05:31.42`	`anon411`	`I'm not sure if Zeranoe need rescue cd`
`05:31.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: okay. here is the basic process. first, you get a usb stick or a blank CD and burn a live distro.`
`05:32.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`what you need is the partition editor, gparted`
`05:32.10`	`anon411`	`maybe windows 7 have this fixmbr program installed`
`05:32.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`there is also a gparted live cd`
`05:32.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`you could just use that`
`05:32.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: it does`
`05:32.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`but first we've gotta remove debian`
`05:32.45`	`SineTheCreator`	`well actually we could remove debian after, but i prefer to do it first and then boot the windows DVD`
`05:33.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: in any case, as i was saying, download the gparted live cd and burn it or use the universal usb installer on windows to pop it on usb`
`05:33.19`	`Zeranoe`	`SineTheCreator: I used gparted to partition the first time, was thinking of just deleting and resizing again?`
`05:33.31`	`germs`	`CloneCD the windows image to another machine on the network or another disk`
`05:33.33`	`SineTheCreator`	`boot from it, remove debian's partitions, and resize the windows partition to fill the drive`
`05:33.36`	`germs`	`reinstall from the clone CD image`
`05:33.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: yep`
`05:33.41`	`germs`	`grow the file system if needed`
`05:33.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: why?`
`05:33.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`that is way more complicated than it needs to be`
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`05:34.08`	`germs`	`Why bother with gpartd, if the windows partition is what is important to him, clone it`
`05:34.24`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: anyways, boot gparted, remove the debian partitions, and grow the NTFS partition to fill the drive`
`05:34.42`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: gparted is fine for working with NTFS partitions these days. there is no reason not to use it.`
`05:34.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`that may not have been true five years ago, but now there is a very small chance anything will actually break.`
`05:35.09`	`germs`	`Zeranoe: also note that SineTheCreator's suggestions lack "a backup"`
`05:35.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`there is no reason to clonezilla the entire partition just to resize it`
`05:35.20`	`anon411`	`or you can install partition manager in windows 7, delete debian partitions and make new ntfs partition`
`05:35.33`	`cwillu_at_work`	`there is every reason to have a backup though, even if you weren't about to modify a partition`
`05:35.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: germs has a point though. there is no backup with my method.`
`05:35.45`	`SineTheCreator`	`and also what cwillu_at_work said.`
`05:36.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`in any case, assuming you already have a backup :/`
`05:36.18`	`germs`	`If your 1s and 0s are important, clone it`
`05:36.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`once you have removed the debian partitions and grown the NTFS partition, reboot and boot from the windows 7 DVD`
`05:36.26`	`cwillu_at_work`	`generally a resize operation is going to be a vulnerable point`
`05:36.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`select the recover mode option`
`05:36.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`recovery mode*`
`05:36.45`	`cwillu_at_work`	`i.e., even using the windows tools, a powercut at the wrong moment can leave you stuck`
`05:37.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`with windows 7 the recovery mode tool can usually find the 'problem' (in this case, grub is installed to MBR instead of the windows bootloader) and 'fix' it automatically`
`05:37.32`	`SineTheCreator`	`cwillu_at_work: yeah, that's true.`
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`05:38.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have gotten to the point now where i just assume everyone has backups. i have been thrashed for telling people to do a full backup beforehand too many times :D`
`05:38.16`	`Zeranoe`	`So, backup important stuff, delete/resize with gparted, boot into win 7 install media, and recover`
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`05:38.20`	`germs`	`SineTheCreator: heh`
`05:38.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: yep`
`05:38.30`	`germs`	`I recently built myself a proper SAN`
`05:38.35`	`cwillu_at_work`	`SineTheCreator, such people should be thrashed :p`
`05:38.40`	`germs`	`must back up all the files, etc`
`05:38.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`Zeranoe: if the automated recovery fails, go into the command prompt and run fixmbr`
`05:38.55`	`cwillu_at_work`	`most people don't make backups; not checking first is silly`
`05:39.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`once the MBR is recovered and you can boot windows it should run a chkdsk automatically`
`05:39.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`once you are at the desktop, i recommend running a chkdsk /r just in case`
`05:39.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: yeah. all my backups are automated now. rsnapshot for linux backups, karen's replicator for windows backups.`
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`05:40.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`all the backups go to a special debian box i built just for backups`
`05:40.44`	`germs`	`SineTheCreator: I use my SAN for snapshotting VM's on my compute node, so that's sort of automated`
`05:41.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: mine aren't snapshots, just rotating incremental loose file :D`
`05:41.10`	`germs`	`but for my other systems I just have a few cron job rsync directories along with some private git repos that I make sure to update remote`
`05:41.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`i mean snapshots in the traditional sense where the whole drive is imaged`
`05:41.47`	`germs`	`I went the direction of using an appliance SAN at home, Nexenta on a PE2950`
`05:42.03`	`germs`	`8 cores and 16GB of ram is enough for a home storage server`
`05:42.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`lol`
`05:42.12`	`SineTheCreator`	`that is way overkill`
`05:42.33`	`germs`	`For the likes of you, maybe ;)`
`05:42.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`i built mine out of spare hardware i had laying around. it has an amd athlon64 x2 5000+, 2gb DDR2-800, and two 1TB drives mirrored`
`05:43.52`	`SineTheCreator`	`8 cores and 16GB of RAM is a video/audio editing workstation. i just don't see how that is necessary for a backup server unless you're doing constant backups in the hundreds of gigs`
`05:43.55`	`germs`	`Oh, I use my SAN as an iscsi target for my compute node, so I beefed it up. SSD cached 4TB (4x2GB) + 1 system disk`
`05:44.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh`
`05:44.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`that makes more sense :D`
`05:44.15`	`germs`	`compute node = 32 cores 128GB of ram`
`05:44.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`wow`
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`05:45.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`do you run debian on it or a specialized kit like CNL?`
`05:46.28`	`germs`	`XenServer, it's a compute node, like bizarre blade chassis`
`05:46.48`	`germs`	`4 x 1/2 (width)U blades in a 2u chassis`
`05:47.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm. and you only use it for virtualization?`
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`05:47.21`	`germs`	`32gb and 2xquad-core xeons per blade`
`05:47.25`	`SineTheCreator`	`are you a VPS provider or personal use?`
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`05:47.56`	`germs`	`personal use, this is in my garage, but I'm a sysadmin`
`05:48.24`	`SineTheCreator`	`interesting`
`05:48.57`	`germs`	`a few managed GigE switches and everything's alright. Neat neard toys though`
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`05:52.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: so... what exactly do you DO with it, besides run a ton of virtual machines? :D`
`05:52.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`just experimentation with the tech?`
`05:53.17`	`germs`	`Lots of stuff. I run my dev VM node off of there, and I have my regular continious integ. stuff on there`
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`05:53.39`	`germs`	`Right now I'm learning the ropes of scaling Solr`
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`05:54.04`	`germs`	`Which requires 4 nodes + 2 management nodes for HA stuff, which of course isn't going to be HA on my single unit of hardware`
`05:54.43`	`germs`	`but I need to test for that, and write my deployment code, as well as test for upgrades (will an upgrade of php $x or ruby $y break our site?`
`05:54.56`	`germs`	`I have the means to lab it out without hesitation or it costing anything`
`05:55.14`	`themill`	`germs: you already know that the answer to those questions will be "yes", no need to test for that...`
`05:55.20`	`germs`	`each node has a 2gbit connection to the SAN which is plenty fast, and faster than you'll get on AWS`
`05:55.51`	`germs`	`themill: pretty much`
`05:56.30`	`germs`	`iirc ec2 says you'll get a 200mbit connection to your VPS and the backend (EBS) "can be reserved with dedicated iops"`
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`06:01.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah... any time you upgrade php it usually breaks thing`
`06:01.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`things*`
`06:02.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`luckily i use fairly standard php-based platforms (like wordpress) so the effect is usually minimized.`
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`06:02.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`i couldn't imagine the pain of rolling my own php codebase. that would be a constantly-recurring nightmare.`
`06:02.56`	`germs`	`I work mostly with software (PHP) devs now`
`06:03.25`	`germs`	`it's not so bad, you just really need to pay attention to your surface area of attack. Like, does any of this code use $messedUpFunction`
`06:03.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`right`
`06:03.57`	`germs`	`PHP in general isn't the greatest, but it's totally do-able.`
`06:04.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`programming and software dev is not my background, i'm an amateur at best`
`06:04.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`my skill with scripting extends to bash and batch files :D`
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`06:04.39`	`germs`	`but yeah, I enjoy the gypsy self-employed life, so when there are "Balls in the air" I need space for everything at the same time, occasionally`
`06:04.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:04.49`	`anon411`	`germs: what AWS stands for?`
`06:04.58`	`germs`	`anon411: Amazon Web Services`
`06:05.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's amazon web ... yeah`
`06:05.12`	`germs`	`anon411: EC2, S3, Route 53, Glacier, etc`
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`06:06.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`when i started this company a couple of years ago i considered amazon. in the end i decided it would be much cheaper to build and maintain my own servers. i am pretty good at automating maintenance and backups so it has worked out fairly well thus far.`
`06:06.46`	`germs`	`Puppet/Chef/Salt/Other?`
`06:06.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`the only real problem is that i have my own 'system' for things, so if i ever dropped off the face of the planet the company would be screwed.`
`06:07.10`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: ?`
`06:07.17`	`germs`	`Configuration management`
`06:07.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh. i don't use any, i do it all by hand and via ssh.`
`06:07.38`	`SineTheCreator`	`then i just keep config backups`
`06:07.46`	`germs`	`A bunch of ruby or pseudo ruby code (usually, puppet and chef) for configuration mgmt`
`06:07.59`	`germs`	`Gotcha, I have been there`
`06:08.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`when i do a full teardown i build the first server for whatever role. then i just clone the apt package list and the configs.`
`06:08.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`the first virtual box takes a couple of hours. the rest take minutes.`
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`06:09.09`	`germs`	`You've gotta get into configuration management dude, losing a box is nothing when you've both got it backed up, and can re-deploy on other hardware with a few key strokes`
`06:09.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`i could probably benefit with a standardized management app of some sort though`
`06:09.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm, yeah, that does sound appealing`
`06:10.03`	`germs`	`That's cool though, it's a live and learn and necessity thing`
`06:10.35`	`germs`	`I used to be in charge of ~50 machines, even though most were part of a HA architecture, occasionally I'd find that I'd have problems. A command missed here, etc`
`06:10.46`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah. i'm self-taught and have no formal training so i just try to figure out the best solution for any given problem at the time :D`
`06:10.50`	`germs`	`hosts files not being the same over all of the machines. Tedious crap like that`
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`06:10.56`	`germs`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:10.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:11.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`that's one reason i clone the configs. nothing missed.`
`06:11.25`	`germs`	`brb in 5. Moving outdoors.`
`06:11.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`my build procedure for machines B and up are literally - run apt with --get-selections, and then scp my configs. and usually, done.`
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`06:12.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`wow he disconnected quick`
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`06:18.30`	`germs`	`k`
`06:18.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`welcome back`
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`06:18.58`	`SineTheCreator`	`wow i just noticed the time, it's 2:15am`
`06:19.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`i gotta run soon`
`06:19.25`	`germs`	`yeah, a terrible monday is right around the corner`
`06:19.33`	`SineTheCreator`	`haha, why do you say that?`
`06:20.06`	`germs`	`No good day starts with Monday`
`06:20.14`	`germs`	`prejudiced, I suppose`
`06:20.16`	`SineTheCreator`	`that depends on how much money you stand to make`
`06:20.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm self-employed and my schedule is open 7 days a week so weekends don't mean much to me`
`06:20.44`	`germs`	`yeah, the careful balance of dollar and hours of life left`
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`06:21.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`eh, i get plenty of free time. my problem is that i want to work more`
`06:21.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`ever more`
`06:21.56`	`germs`	`early 20s?`
`06:22.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`in the average week i work 25-35 hours. i have worked twice that amount in a week before and i thoroughly enjoyed it. i wouldn't want to do it for months at a time, but a nice balance wouldn't bother me`
`06:22.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`nah, i'm pushing 30. i'll be 28 in less than a month.`
`06:22.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`i love my work because it's so diverse. it's never the same thing every day.`
`06:23.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`one day i'll play music producer and work with a recording artist in my studio. the next day i'll be doing an on-site support job for a small business.`
`06:23.16`	`germs`	`neat`
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`06:23.32`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have to do that. being pigeonholed into one role makes me go insane very quickly`
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`06:23.52`	`SineTheCreator`	`i used to be a network engineer for a large old-media company. i was good at the job but i was miserable constantly`
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`06:24.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`eventually they outsourced IT to thailand so i got laid off, but i'm glad it happened. i'm not miserable anymore :D`
`06:25.49`	`germs`	`heh`
`06:26.04`	`SineTheCreator`	`i do eat a lot more ramen noodles though :D`
`06:26.04`	`germs`	`so I'm kind of wandering, if you sign off maybe I'll catch you tomorrow?`
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`06:26.25`	`SineTheCreator`	`sure. i'm always idling on freenode`
`06:26.29`	`SineTheCreator`	`and here`
`06:26.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`i run weechat through mosh/ssh so it runs pretty much continuously`
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`06:27.25`	`germs`	`oh cool`
`06:27.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`oh and i will certainly look into some configuration management. i need to simplify things not necessarily for myself, but in case i ever want to bring someone else in to manage the day-to-day tech operations`
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`06:28.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`it does suck when something mission-critical goes down and i have to set aside an hour to fix it, but honestly that rarely happens.`
`06:28.10`	`SineTheCreator`	`knocks on wood`
`06:29.04`	`germs`	`yeah, in order to promote yourself, you've got some legwork`
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`06:29.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah, but not too much actually :D`
`06:29.28`	`germs`	`it's easier to find someone who knows both systems and your configuration mgmt schema rather than teaching this is $x because of $y`
`06:29.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`a day spent reconfiguring would probably do the trick`
`06:30.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`in the meantime i can set the load balancer to direct all traffic to our backup servers`
`06:30.46`	`germs`	`haproxy <3`
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`06:30.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`yerp :D`
`06:30.58`	`SineTheCreator`	`and keepalived`
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`06:31.42`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm honestly surprised more people don't run in-house load balancing. they're so fricking easy to build.`
`06:31.48`	`germs`	`yeah dude, HA has been my life for the past 4 years`
`06:32.00`	`germs`	`haproxy ftw, but I've used others`
`06:32.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have only ever used haproxy`
`06:32.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`it provides decent load balancing and graceful failover so i've never needed anything else`
`06:32.51`	`SineTheCreator`	`yet ;)`
`06:33.12`	`germs`	`relayD is stupid simple, but does not extend well or handle anything but "always up servers"`
`06:33.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh. no failover.`
`06:33.29`	`germs`	`tcp connections for ssl though, it's just kind of a dumb load balancer`
`06:33.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`ah`
`06:33.39`	`germs`	`but I used it in prod for half a decade without issue`
`06:33.44`	`germs`	`or close to it`
`06:33.45`	`SineTheCreator`	`heh... no server is ever truly "always up"`
`06:34.31`	`germs`	`yeah, it was a load balancer in front of 3 webservers and 3 app servers. Worked well, but anything ssl or anything tricky (host overloaded) it crapped out`
`06:34.40`	`germs`	`but this was years ago, they are still working on relayD`
`06:34.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah, it may be a lot better now`
`06:35.02`	`germs`	`but haproxy is my go-to`
`06:35.04`	`SineTheCreator`	`ssl is definitely a requirement for us`
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`06:35.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`we use ssl via TLS for imap and smtp auth, and i also use it for things on the backend like postfixadmin and managesieve`
`06:36.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`if there was one thing i'd really like to get done, it's verisigned certificates`
`06:36.04`	`germs`	`haproxy 1.4 has ssl support (not just a tcp connection anymore)`
`06:36.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:36.11`	`germs`	`fyi, if you didn't know already`
`06:36.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`i need to upgrade`
`06:36.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm still running 1.3`
`06:37.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`1.3.26 i think`
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`06:37.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`for ssl connections we've just used the server prefix for connecting`
`06:37.31`	`germs`	`haproxy is just the shit, really`
`06:37.37`	`germs`	`ah`
`06:37.38`	`SineTheCreator`	`i.e. mailserver1., mailserver2., etc`
`06:37.52`	`germs`	`I used tcp connections forever, but it strips all sorts of info`
`06:37.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have been trying to distribute them evenly among clients`
`06:38.08`	`germs`	`abh`
`06:38.10`	`germs`	`ah*`
`06:38.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah that's another thing, logging`
`06:38.55`	`SineTheCreator`	`i just do all traffic logging on the load balancer and let the destination severs handle their own err/warn logging and such`
`06:38.56`	`germs`	`I've never used logstache (stash?), but it's something I need to be more keen on`
`06:39.03`	`germs`	`ya`
`06:39.20`	`germs`	`esp if you own the equipment, do it at the LB and then span port that to an IDS`
`06:39.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`yep :D`
`06:39.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`do you use intrusion detection?`
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`06:40.13`	`germs`	`right now I don't really have my own "thing", I'm a contractor`
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`06:40.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`also this logstash app is pretty neat, i'll have to give that a spin`
`06:40.34`	`germs`	`but usually, yes, it is worth the effort`
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`06:40.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`right now i'm just using stock logrotate setups in cron with rsnapshot automated log downloads as part of the hourlies`
`06:41.18`	`germs`	`makes sense`
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`06:41.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`i have used snort before`
`06:41.42`	`anon411`	`keep talking, i'm noting ;D`
`06:41.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`it seems to work :D`
`06:41.45`	`germs`	`usually in my site configs I have /srv/$site/etc/logrotate.d/$script`
`06:42.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`i use a similar setup, but by $server then $site`
`06:42.32`	`germs`	`when you start storing server configs in a trackable repository (git! git! git!)`
`06:42.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`remember, a lot of our stuff is mirrored, so...`
`06:42.41`	`germs`	`you kind of ln -s stuff differently`
`06:42.43`	`germs`	`ah`
`06:43.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`you use git for logs?`
`06:43.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`i've never used git for everything. i always assumed it was just for source distribution`
`06:43.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`er, anything`
`06:43.32`	`SineTheCreator`	`not everything`
`06:43.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`sorry, i'm getting pretty tired. it's been a long day :D`
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`06:43.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: feel free to chime in here with questions :D`
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`06:44.36`	`germs`	`not git for logs`
`06:44.50`	`germs`	`that's a .gitignore`
`06:45.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`ah`
`06:45.33`	`germs`	`logs are more of a compress-and-store situation as needed. My personal site I don't really give a toot about storing that`
`06:45.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah. i store them more for documentation than for actual problem resolution`
`06:46.07`	`germs`	`if it's important for BI or marketing, then logstash or something. That's kind of over my head. I've never had to care about that.`
`06:46.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:46.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`same thing here, more or less. i only keep them just in case a client ever has a question`
`06:46.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`i.e. "there was some weird stuff going on a couple days ago, could you check the logs for me?"`
`06:47.08`	`germs`	`I think it would be stupid simple to design a s3->glacier log rotation scheme`
`06:47.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`having them already hourly'd to my local backup server is just for convienience because they eventually get overwritten and thus take up a fairly small amount of space`
`06:47.34`	`germs`	`like, server->s3->glacier perl script`
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`06:47.46`	`germs`	`1 year rotation`
`06:47.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`mine is one-monh`
`06:47.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`blah`
`06:47.59`	`germs`	`maybe cost $3/month`
`06:48.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`one-month`
`06:48.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`i see little reason to keep logs for any longer. if i can't resolve an issue within a month i should be doing something else :D`
`06:48.43`	`germs`	`ops/marketing/security`
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`06:49.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`going back to IDS, you mentioning it reminded me that i don't have any yet. i think this week i may repurpose one of our machines as an IDS node and roll centOS and snort on it.`
`06:49.12`	`germs`	`or whatever your use case`
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`06:49.29`	`germs`	`SineTheCreator: Give "Bro IDS" a look`
`06:49.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah. i find that most clients are fine with one-month logkeeping`
`06:49.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`bookmarked, thanks :D`
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`06:50.02`	`germs`	`that scripting language is stupid simple`
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`06:50.21`	`germs`	`set up your span or tap`
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`06:51.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`i wonder if i can even do that. i don't know if it's possible to configure vlan devices on my vpses`
`06:52.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'll have to check`
`06:52.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`actually no, i don't need them since the networking is all virtual`
`06:52.55`	`germs`	`depends on how you're dooing it`
`06:53.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm thinking on a physical network`
`06:53.07`	`germs`	`you can still use tcpdump`
`06:53.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:53.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`i may just do that instead of span`
`06:53.36`	`germs`	`I like my edge networking equipment to have packet monitoring software`
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`06:53.44`	`germs`	`need me some wireshark or tcpdump`
`06:53.52`	`SineTheCreator`	`with span there's going to be some odd network device stuff involved`
`06:54.07`	`germs`	`span virtually? I have nfi`
`06:54.16`	`germs`	`I know how to do it with real hardware and machines`
`06:54.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`i can do that without a second 'promiscuous' network device?`
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`06:54.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah same here`
`06:54.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`with real hardware it's simple, just eth0 and eth1`
`06:54.46`	`germs`	`Uhh, I would monitor at the LB`
`06:54.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`on a virtual machine i have no idea`
`06:54.57`	`germs`	`if you can, then tcpdump \| prog`
`06:55.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah that's the plan. the load balancer is virtual though`
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`06:55.18`	`germs`	`you can still log yer 1's and 0's with tcpdump`
`06:55.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`06:55.31`	`germs`	`or remote x11 wireshark`
`06:55.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`i think i'm going to have to do it that way, because i honestly haven't a clue how to do it the other way on a virtual machine :D`
`06:55.50`	`dokma`	`I don't get GUI when I run ekiga on debian wheezy`
`06:55.51`	`germs`	`err, ssh -X is req. iirc`
`06:56.00`	`dokma`	`when I run as root configuration dialog opens up`
`06:56.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`dokma: what happens when you ...`
`06:56.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`ok`
`06:56.11`	`dokma`	`tried deleting old config in gconf`
`06:56.17`	`dokma`	`still no go`
`06:56.20`	`SineTheCreator`	`dokma: try opening a terminal and running ekiga from there. tell us what happens?`
`06:56.27`	`dokma`	`tried aptitude purge ekiga`
`06:56.29`	`SineTheCreator`	`run it as your regular user`
`06:56.47`	`dokma`	`everything I did was from terminal`
`06:56.56`	`dokma`	`I get no output on terminal and no gui`
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`06:57.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`okay. when you run ekiga as a regular user in terminal, what happens?`
`06:57.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh`
`06:57.08`	`dokma`	`I installed debugging symbols and checked where it stops`
`06:57.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`no output? not even error messages?`
`06:57.22`	`dokma`	`and it stops when pulse library starts a few new threads`
`06:57.27`	`dokma`	`no nothing`
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`06:57.37`	`dokma`	`it seems like the puls threads block on a semaphore`
`06:57.47`	`dokma`	`it just sits there`
`06:57.51`	`dokma`	`no CPU consumption`
`06:57.53`	`dokma`	`nothing`
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`06:58.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`pulse libs = pulseaudio?`
`06:58.06`	`dokma`	`yes`
`06:58.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`strange. that really shouldn't happen.`
`06:58.12`	`dokma`	`let me paste the gdb session`
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`06:58.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`um... what's your audio card? also, are proper drivers/pulseaudio backend installed and working?`
`06:58.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm wondering if maybe your audio driver is buggy and is causing a crash`
`06:59.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's unlikely but maybe a good idea to start with`
`06:59.22`	`dokma`	`this is my gdb session`
`06:59.23`	`dokma`	`http://pastebin.com/c1UyJ7x0`
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`06:59.49`	`dokma`	`Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)`
`07:00.07`	`dokma`	`SineTheCreator, but it works as root`
`07:00.25`	`dokma`	`seems strange that the driver would cause that...`
`07:00.29`	`dokma`	`maybee some permissions...`
`07:01.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah. permissions is likely.`
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`07:02.43`	`dokma`	`SineTheCreator, /dev/audio is fine`
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`07:02.55`	`dokma`	`it's accessible by group audio to which the user belongs`
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`07:02.59`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah`
`07:03.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`that's what i was about to ask`
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`07:03.14`	`dokma`	`SineTheCreator, any ideas on what else could pulseaudio be mutex waiting on?`
`07:03.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`ALSA, maybe? a conflict somewhere?`
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`07:03.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`but that wouldn't explain why it runs as root and not normal user`
`07:03.39`	`nobody_`	`Hey guys, where would I find a wheezy repository with powerpc packages? (I just tried to use the line deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists wheezy main contrib non-free in my sources.list, however it appears as though http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy/main/binary-powerpc/Packages does not exist)`
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`07:04.05`	`dokma`	`yes, that's why permissions seem very likely to be the culprit to me...`
`07:04.11`	`dokma`	`let me get pulseaudio source`
`07:04.50`	`SineTheCreator`	`i wonder if it's the PTHREAD priority inheiritance`
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`07:07.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`dokma: i have no idea. sorry man :(`
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`07:08.05`	`dokma`	`SineTheCreator, yeah, me neither`
`07:08.10`	`dokma`	`thank you for your time`
`07:08.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`you're using ekiga and pulseaudio packages from the repos, i assume? debian 7.1?`
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`07:15.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`well, i'm out`
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`07:15.33`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: thanks for the convo, and the suggestions :D`
`07:16.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: good luck with your server, i hope i helped :D`
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`07:16.33`	`anon411`	`sure, thanks for names`
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`07:16.53`	`anon411`	`and, iredmail looks really easy to install`
`07:17.15`	`anon411`	`i will leave it for someone else who like easy jobs`
`07:17.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`haha okay`
`07:17.37`	`anon411`	`he will be pleased ;p`
`07:17.46`	`SineTheCreator`	`it works well for me because i just want to get things done and get on with my work, yknow?`
`07:18.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`but if you have the time i'd definitely try building a mail server from scratch. it's one hell of a learning experience.`
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`07:19.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`yep`
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`07:20.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm going right now, just had a few things to finish up`
`07:20.05`	`SineTheCreator`	`laters`
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`08:26.15`	`Rix`	`hi, here is a very strange problem: when i login to my debian server in ssh i cannot change my user password - 'passwd: Authentication token manipulation error' - I'm pretty sure i enter the same password as when i login`
`08:26.39`	`Rix`	`moreover when i type su and enter the root password it says it is incorrect.. but when i open new ssh session and enter the same password for root it accepts it`
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`08:28.20`	`bytecounter`	`You could login as root directly!? Is the filesystem mounted as r/w?`
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`08:29.06`	`bytecounter`	`Date correct?`
`08:29.10`	`Rix`	`yes`
`08:29.19`	`Rix`	`and when i type the same pass in su`
`08:29.29`	`Rix`	`or when i try to change my user pass .. manipulation error`
`08:29.32`	`Rix`	`for every user i tried`
`08:29.39`	`Rix`	`what Date?`
`08:29.54`	`bytecounter`	`System date/time`
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`08:30.28`	`zyphusx`	`the client has to match the host correct?`
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`08:30.32`	`zyphusx`	`I could be wrong`
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`08:32.19`	`Rix`	`yes i checked it`
`08:32.31`	`Rix`	`time is correct..`
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`08:33.42`	`bytecounter`	`File permissons, too?`
`08:33.49`	`Rix`	`which file permissions`
`08:33.54`	`bytecounter`	`permissons of /etc/shadow must be 000`
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`08:34.13`	`Rix`	`-rw-r----- 1 root shadow 2328 Jul 22 01:21 shadow`
`08:34.16`	`Rix`	`-rw------- 1 root root 2291 Jul 22 01:16 shadow-`
`08:34.18`	`Rix`	`wrong? :D`
`08:35.33`	`xand`	`no`
`08:36.09`	`xand`	`Rix: check /var/log/auth.log ?`
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`08:38.44`	`Jeeves_Moss`	`I'm having a brain fart morning here. what is the chmod command to set r/w for the website suer?`
`08:39.14`	`bytecounter`	`What is the best way to restart a wlan-connection every morning by a cron job? ifupdown?`
`08:39.29`	`Rix`	`unix_chkpwd[31315]: check pass; user unknown`
`08:39.44`	`Rix`	`when i try to change the password as a user`
`08:40.16`	`xand`	`just typing "passwd" with no options?`
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`08:41.03`	`Rix`	`yes then it asks for the current password and i type it correctly`
`08:41.15`	`Rix`	`and when i type su and the correct root password`
`08:41.16`	`Rix`	`su[31319]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure`
`08:41.29`	`Rix`	`FAILED su for root by rix`
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`08:42.18`	`Rix`	`direct login - no problems both for root and for users`
`08:42.29`	`Rix`	`but passwd and su - problematic and not working`
`08:42.40`	`xand`	`umm, very strange`
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`08:44.09`	`musca`	`Rix: sounds like having an unexpected keyboard layout. you are pressing the right keys, but ...`
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`08:45.22`	`Rix`	`musca i tried with copy paste too`
`08:45.41`	`xand`	`"unix_chkpwd[31315]: check pass; user unknown" maybe /etc/passwd is corrupt?`
`08:45.47`	`Yoshi11`	`so how long till i can do a dist upgrade to jessie?`
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`08:46.55`	`marcusk`	`Yoshi11: You can do that right now if you want to`
`08:47.03`	`Rix`	`http://pastebin.com/gLB4jzX0`
`08:48.10`	`Yoshi11`	`marcusk: how unstable is it?`
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`08:48.26`	`marcusk`	`Yoshi11: I don't know. I don't use it.`
`08:48.31`	`pooter`	`Hi all, has anyone successfully installed ntopng in debian 7.1?`
`08:48.33`	`Rix`	`xand i've checked it and /etc/passwd file looks fine`
`08:48.48`	`Rix`	`i can paste it in pastebin?`
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`08:49.22`	`marcusk`	`Yoshi11: Expect things to change a lot given that work has just started.`
`08:49.42`	`Rix`	`http://pastebin.com/eRiNzSGF`
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`08:50.39`	`Yoshi11`	`marcusk: i'll give it a month or two to settle some then`
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`08:52.13`	`xand`	`Rix: your gecos field is empty, dunno if that would break things (the :: after 100 would normally contian your name)`
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`08:52.59`	`marcusk`	`An empty gecos should not break anything. That would be a bug.`
`08:53.26`	`xand`	`perhaps strace the passwd command to see exactly where it fails`
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`08:59.50`	`Rix`	`http://pastebin.com/31xkgjLP`
`08:59.55`	`Rix`	`strace passwd`
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`09:04.35`	`xand`	`they are different cpu architectures`
`09:05.01`	`Rix`	`i can change passwords using passwd under root`
`09:05.05`	`Rix`	`but not under the user..`
`09:05.28`	`Rix`	`one way to solve the problem is to tell passwd not to ask for the current password, but how can i do that?`
`09:05.30`	`xand`	`Rix: ok, can you paste the output of "ls -l /usr/bin/passwd"`
`09:05.40`	`xand`	`I think the permissions are wrong.`
`09:05.50`	`Rix`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43280 Feb 15 2011 /usr/bin/passwd`
`09:05.55`	`xand`	`right`
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`09:07.02`	`xand`	`Rix: chmod +s /usr/bin/passwd`
`09:07.06`	`xand`	`umm`
`09:07.08`	`xand`	`u+s`
`09:07.26`	`xand`	`chmod u+s /usr/bin/passwd`
`09:07.37`	`Rix`	`wow`
`09:07.39`	`Rix`	`thanks`
`09:07.40`	`Rix`	`fixed :D`
`09:07.47`	`Rix`	`thanksssssssssssss`
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`09:47.28`	`suy`	`At home I see packages in aptitude twice, once the normal, and also the foo:i386 version. Now I can't see the same in a new install, only the normal. What could I've done different?`
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`09:50.56`	`suy`	`ok, dpkg --add-architecture i386 (sorry for the noise)`
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`09:55.50`	`anddam`	`has Debian a policy for local packages' hier?`
`09:56.11`	`anddam`	`I guess the crawler working directory shouldn't be in web server's document root`
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`09:57.06`	`Arafangion`	`anddam: The working directory should be wherever the directory was launched.`
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`10:01.58`	`anddam`	`Arafangion: "the directory was launched" == ?`
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`10:02.42`	`Arafangion`	`anddam: cd /foo; thescript;`
`10:02.43`	`anddam`	`and I meant a directory for a package to save its files in, not as in "cwd" of a UNIX process`
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`10:03.22`	`Arafangion`	`anddam: So that's what you meant by "working directory", as opposed to the "current working directory".`
`10:03.35`	`anddam`	`this thing has to keep a database and temporary folder, I'd rather not keep those in web server's document root`
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`12:01.20`	`ghostlines`	`good day, I'm wondering what people do when they can't find the latest version of a package in apt? do they just build from source? and keep updating by building from source? And suppose apt later gets the latest version do they then uninstall and then install via apt`
`12:01.40`	`ghostlines`	`I'm curious what the best practices are`
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`12:02.04`	`babilen`	`judd: v wordpress`
`12:02.05`	`judd`	`Package: wordpress on i386 -- squeeze: 3.3.2+dfsg-1~squeeze1; wheezy: 3.5.1+dfsg-2; squeeze-security: 3.5.2+dfsg-1~deb6u1; wheezy-security: 3.5.2+dfsg-1~deb7u1; jessie: 3.5.2+dfsg-1; sid: 3.5.2+dfsg-1`
`12:02.18`	`babilen`	`judd: v checkbackport wordpress`
`12:02.19`	`judd`	`No package named 'checkbackport' was found in i386.`
`12:02.24`	`babilen`	`judd: checkbackport wordpress`
`12:02.26`	`judd`	`Backporting package wordpress in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.`
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`12:02.46`	`stephanb`	`ghostlines, you could enable testing or sid just for this package and swhitch back after installing... but that might break your system, when updating later... depends much on what package you update`
`12:02.57`	`babilen`	`no, don't do that`
`12:04.14`	`stephanb`	`ghostlines, or you build it for yourself in /opt ;)`
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`12:05.32`	`ghostlines`	`stephanb, one package might break my system?`
`12:05.55`	`babilen`	`ghostlines: You might be able to backport it easily by following <ssb>, but then it might not be that easy. I would also recommend to investigate static website generators (e.g. jekyll, nanoc, ...)`
`12:06.05`	`ghostlines`	`or forgetting to remove sid apt sources might break my system? that judd command above means the backport would be ok?`
`12:06.42`	`babilen`	`ghostlines: Never ever mix stable with anything but backports. Doing so will break your system rather sooner than later.`
`12:06.55`	`stephanb`	`ghostlines, what babilen said ;)`
`12:07.48`	`ghostlines`	`ahh k thanks`
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`12:08.04`	`stephanb`	`ghostlines, you may try it, but if it breaks you should know what packages you installed from unstable or testing... any way, it's much trouble... but you can make it work for some days, weeks, months if you REALLY want it`
`12:08.50`	`ghostlines`	`babilen, funny that you recommended jekyll, I only want wordpress for a specific webshop payment plugin`
`12:10.01`	`ghostlines`	`but qua best practices it seems if someone really wants a new package on a stable release that isn't in apt they just build from source, and keep on updating it by building from source from then on?`
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`12:13.00`	`killermoehre`	`hi. tomcat6 got its update from squeeze2 to squeeze4 in oldstable, but there is no changelog available. does anyone know more about this update?`
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`12:19.34`	`stephanb`	`ghostlines, i would suggest that, yeah`
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`12:21.44`	`kleind`	`Hi there. Just upgraded a machine to wheezy and ever since, every 10s I get graphics driver error messages: http://pastebin.de/35445 This is a server machine without a monitor. What to do?`
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`12:22.00`	`storagenewbie`	`hi guys I am trying to setup a debian server for a storage file system with RAID 6 and LVM system, now I have the question what would be better for managing 26TB of storage size, ext4 or XFS?`
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`12:23.08`	`johskar`	`storagenewbie: Mostly large or small files?`
`12:23.30`	`storagenewbie`	`largly`
`12:23.36`	`killermoehre`	`storagenewbie: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35962/xfs-vs-ext4-vs-others-which-file-system-is-stable-reliable-for-long-run-such`
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`12:24.34`	`killermoehre`	`storagenewbie: xfs is better for large files. but xfs partitions can't be reduced in size`
`12:25.43`	`storagenewbie`	`ok and fsck file check from ext4 when rebooting after 200+ days it would be take much time :( or?`
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`12:26.50`	`johskar`	`storagenewbie: fsck on journaling filesystems doesn't take much time unless they encounter errors taht need to be checked more deeply`
`12:27.05`	`johskar`	`oh god, tons of typos today...`
`12:27.14`	`storagenewbie`	`ok so it would be also quick with 26 TB of date?`
`12:27.16`	`storagenewbie`	`data?`
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`12:27.41`	`johskar`	`it will ofc take some time to check that size, but tbh... better safe than sorry when it actualy checks the fs :-)`
`12:28.15`	`killermoehre`	`storagenewbie: why do you bother about the fsck-time? you shouldn't reboot the storage so often`
`12:28.16`	`johskar`	`because, even if you run raid behind, the fs and files can still be corrupted by os/software`
`12:28.38`	`storagenewbie`	`no not so often but afer kernel update etc?`
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`12:29.19`	`tdn`	`apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will give me a list of packages that need to be installed. I can then press Y to install them or N to cancel. Can can I (from a shellscript) just get a list of pendin updates for my system? So that I can run it via cron and get an email when new packages are available?`
`12:29.41`	`killermoehre`	`tdn: use cron-apt`
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`12:29.45`	`killermoehre`	`apt-cron?`
`12:30.14`	`killermoehre`	`tdn: cron-apt`
`12:30.31`	`johskar`	`yea, cron-apt works great`
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`12:31.23`	`abrotman`	`tdn: aptitude '~U'`
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`12:31.53`	`storagenewbie`	`so xfs would be a better idea because filesystem check is not necessary after reboot?`
`12:31.58`	`abrotman`	`tdn: but yes, cron-apt and apticron are ways to already do that .. though it's generally advised against`
`12:32.59`	`abrotman`	`johskar: perhaps look at something like zfs or btrfs .. something that scrubs data, etc ..`
`12:33.03`	`killermoehre`	`storagenewbie: fsck is never »required«, but suggested`
`12:33.05`	`johskar`	`storagenewbie: how often do you think you woudl update kernel (and thus need a reboot?). Shouldn't bother with rebooting to new kernel unless it fixes stability issues, have new functions/drivers you need or it fixes security holes you can't keep shut with stuff like iptables and other things.`
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`12:33.57`	`storagenewbie`	`hmm ok good question`
`12:34.00`	`johskar`	`abrotman: wouldn't go zfs/btrfs on a debian based storage box tbh. if it was bsd or solaris based I'd tell him to do ZFS without blinking :-)`
`12:34.18`	`abrotman`	`johskar: is Debian a requirement? (plus there is debian-kfreebsd)`
`12:34.35`	`johskar`	`abrotman: don't ask me, ask storagenewbie ;-P`
`12:34.45`	`abrotman`	`oh .. sorry, got them backward`
`12:35.00`	`johskar`	`^^`
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`12:36.05`	`marcusk`	`No filesystem that doesn't do checksums will be able to tell if your data is correct`
`12:37.28`	`catsup`	`regardless of how often you have to reboot, you might not want it to take 3 hours`
`12:37.35`	`catsup`	`...or 30 hours`
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`12:39.00`	`kleind`	`Hi. I'm getting "ERROR DVI-I-1: probed a monitor but no\|invalid EDID" every 10 seconds in my log after a wheezy upgrade. But there is not even a monitor connected. How to get rid of those messages?`
`12:39.04`	`johskar`	`lol, yea, tho... fsck on the 11T raid5 array on my test server only takes 15 sec when there ain't much wrong in the journal`
`12:39.15`	`catsup`	`that's not an fsck`
`12:39.21`	`johskar`	`ah, right`
`12:39.23`	`catsup`	`that's the time it takes to skip the fsck`
`12:39.27`	`johskar`	`:-P`
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`12:40.02`	`catsup`	`(to replay the journal really)`
`12:40.04`	`johskar`	`I'm a bit distracted I think, you are quite right catsup. it checks journal and skips fsck.`
`12:40.17`	`catsup`	`the journal isn't checked... it's replayed`
`12:40.17`	`abrotman`	`right`
`12:41.13`	`johskar`	`that's the beauty of journaling > non-journaling during bootup, doesn't have to do that insane checking when its time to the mandatory check on reboot thing.`
`12:41.51`	`johskar`	`kleind: what program/service is giving that error? does it say?`
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`12:43.15`	`catsup`	`it will still do the fsck when the fs params say it needs to of time or number of mounts since last fsck`
`12:43.18`	`kleind`	`johskar: kernel`
`12:43.22`	`catsup`	`because* of`
`12:43.37`	`catsup`	`although you can get around that too`
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`12:44.19`	`catsup`	`not through journaling, but you can fsck a snapshot while the system runs, and then mark the fs as checked if it succeeds`
`12:44.20`	`johskar`	`catsup: I wonder if I have tuned the fs on those then, cause doesn't...`
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`12:47.58`	`catsup`	`it only runs every 6 months by default`
`12:48.02`	`johskar`	`kleind: are you using Catalyst divers with an ATI/AMD IGP or integrated on the APU/CPU?`
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`12:49.18`	`johskar`	`catsup: got to check it on that box then.`
`12:50.04`	`kleind`	`johskar: it's the radeon driver from 3.2.0 debian stock kernel. no catalyst drivers. the machine does not even have a monitor connected, just a remote management device which probably emulates some monitor thing. this is a rather old server machine`
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`12:50.41`	`tremon`	`kleind: there is a kernel parameter you can use that effectively disables the edid probes, but I can't find it online. It's not listed in modinfo either`
`12:50.51`	`johskar`	`kleind: ok.`
`12:51.56`	`kleind`	`tremon: you don't mean "nomodeset", do you?`
`12:52.22`	`johskar`	`kleind: nomodeset should disable it, yes.`
`12:52.43`	`kleind`	`johskar: hmkay, will try and find a reboot slot. thanks.`
`12:53.05`	`tremon`	`kleind: nope, that would be hopeless. A slightly less blunt tool is radeon.hw_i2c=0, but that's not what I'm looking for either. I'm using it on one machine, but I can't reach that machine from here`
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`12:54.24`	`johskar`	`whoa!`
`12:54.26`	`jxport`	`Why would anyone expose all of their hacked hosts just to do that to #debian`
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`12:54.55`	`jxport`	`kleind & tremon: thanks I'll try that when I get home. Unfortunately I don't have it in front of me :(`
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`12:56.19`	`tremon`	`johskar: sure nomodeset disables the probes, but that doesn't mean it's a solution`
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`12:57.22`	`johskar`	`wasn't that box healess/remote managed? doesn't need KMS then so it'd be a solution for his problem for the time being if so.`
`12:57.44`	`kleind`	`johskar: yes, headless`
`12:57.49`	`johskar`	`damn script kiddies and their botnets...`
`12:58.14`	`kleind`	`johskar: it does have a remote mgmt device though that can connect some remote console thingy, which likely emulates a monitor`
`12:58.40`	`johskar`	`kleind: nomachine?`
`12:58.51`	`kleind`	`no idea what you're talking about`
`12:59.38`	`tremon`	`kleind: as long as you're not running X, probably nomodeset would be fine. But I don't like the suggestion either way`
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`13:00.42`	`johskar`	`kleind: no problem, just the solution I bump into mostly when people say they use remote console that emulates a monitor. it runs X in a ssh session. (nomachine/freenx)`
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`13:01.45`	`kleind`	`johskar: no, it's some device in the machine. what drac is in dell boxes`
`13:01.53`	`kleind`	`only that this machine is really old`
`13:02.01`	`kleind`	`and i have no idea what exact piece of hardware it is`
`13:02.27`	`johskar`	`kleind: ah. have only touched a drac once, seemd nice, couldn't figure out how it worked, went on with my biz... :-)`
`13:03.41`	`abrotman`	`contemplates +r`
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`13:04.00`	`tomaw`	`abrotman: I did it already`
`13:04.10`	`abrotman`	`oh, i see that above now .. thanks`
`13:04.22`	`abrotman`	`i saw the +i, not hte -i+r`
`13:04.38`	`johskar`	`almost missed spotting that -i+r in all that spam I too`
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`13:06.56`	`kleind`	`trying nomodeset now`
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`13:07.49`	`RichiH`	`maybe off-topic-ish, i don't know: what do i want to use to run windows 7, installed on disk in a partition, within debian?`
`13:08.14`	`RichiH`	`"qemu" is probably wront`
`13:08.15`	`RichiH`	`wrong, too`
`13:08.24`	`tomaw`	`I use virtualbox`
`13:08.52`	`RichiH`	`doesn't that do the weird in-FS-small-files dance like vmware player does?`
`13:09.35`	`johskar`	`virtualbox should be able to, you might have to set up a separate hw profile in win7 for when it run in a virtual environment so it doesn't screw with being able to boot straight as well.`
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`13:11.09`	`johskar`	`There should atleast exist info about that if you look for how to do it with a mac VMware fusion or Parallels Desktop. (the part on how to do the bits that need to be done in/with windows should be mostly the same I think).`
`13:11.39`	`tomaw`	`I don't remember having to do anything specific but it's been a while since I used it`
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`13:12.16`	`johskar`	`tomaw: depends on if you ever plan on booting it straight up and not trough the vm afterwards iirc.`
`13:12.54`	`kleind`	`tremon, johskar: nomodeset got rid of those messages. thanks.`
`13:13.01`	`tomaw`	`ah I probably trashed that and never noticed`
`13:13.08`	`johskar`	`kleind: good!`
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`13:16.01`	`tremon`	`RichiH: maybe virtualbox does this for you, but if you have a win7 partition right now that is used for dual-boot, you need to emulate the first 2048 sectors (partition table+empty space), win7 will not boot without a partition table on the disk`
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`13:18.42`	`yogg`	`Hi`
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`13:20.16`	`yogg`	`Does someone know a how to for getting the newest version of ekiga (4,x) on debian wheezy? The aktual one in apt is "3.2.7" from 2010 (really old an buggy)`
`13:20.35`	`orange__`	`yogg: Try finding a .deb of it and dpkg that?`
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`13:22.32`	`killermoehre`	`yogg: look in the backports, maybe there is a newer one`
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`13:23.51`	`georgij`	`Hi, I am using postfix on debian and I setup an override content_filter on smtpd(25) in master.cf, the problem is that it triggers even though I am sending mails. I just want it to trigger when incoming mails arrive…`
`13:23.59`	`georgij`	`Does anyone know anything that could help?`
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`13:24.45`	`yogg`	`orange__ , killermoehre : have noting found in the backports, and i have also not found any deb packages :(`
`13:25.11`	`killermoehre`	`yogg: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ekiga`
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`13:25.53`	`johskar`	`ekiga 4 is in jessie (testing) and sid (unstable) repo, it might be possible to dl that .deb and dpkg it, it's not in backports.`
`13:26.41`	`yogg`	`killermoehre, johskar : ok then i try the jessie one`
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`13:27.49`	`tremon`	`!ssb`
`13:27.52`	`dpkg`	`First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.`
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`13:28.21`	`tremon`	`don't install jessie packages on stable, recompiling is the recommended way`
`13:28.27`	`tremon`	`,checkbackport ekiga`
`13:28.28`	`judd`	`Backporting package ekiga in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpt-dev (>= 2.10.10~), libopal-dev (>= 3.10.10~).`
`13:30.01`	`LNShadow`	`Hello. Sorry for stupid question, but for a long time i use other Linux systems and just started working with Debian. Why "apt-get" utility, when installing new package, can restart already installed and running service (mysql, for example) if new package depended on it?`
`13:30.28`	`johskar`	`tremon: quite right you are. writes note to tell people to use sid source instead :-P`
`13:30.41`	`yogg`	`ok, so this means it is not easy to get ekiga 4.x on debian wheezy :/`
`13:30.55`	`johskar`	`yogg: yep`
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`13:32.47`	`johskar`	`LNShadow: cause it has changed the config of that service so it has to be restarted/reloaded, so the installer can set up the new package.`
`13:33.14`	`tremon`	`yogg: it's not easy, but it's not that hard either. You need to manually comile three packages, but you only need to use the debian tools`
`13:33.47`	`tremon`	`s/comile/compile/`
`13:33.50`	`boudiccas`	`how can i run 'sudo obnam --config=/etc/obnametc.conf ls>"obnametc-ls-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).txt"' from within a bash script being run by user please? when i run this i get 'sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified'`
`13:35.33`	`boudiccas`	`i want it to run unattended with no intervention required`
`13:36.01`	`tremon`	`boudiccas: why not run it as the user who has all required privileges?`
`13:36.46`	`boudiccas`	`tremon, its part of a big script that runs 2 user commands and 1 root command, so i want it all to run as user`
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`13:37.22`	`tremon`	`1) run as root, use sudo for the 2 non-root commands 2) man sudoers, NOPASSWD`
`13:37.33`	`boudiccas`	`thanks`
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`13:38.49`	`LNShadow`	`johskar: i understand this, but how i can install new software in production environment, if it can restart production database?`
`13:42.07`	`johskar`	`LNShadow: good question, however, I usually don't have the DB service on the same server in production environments. (not always an option if you ain't got the resources for that tho). It means howerver that I got to do that reconfiguring of the DB/service my self. and still restart/reload it to commit the changes (but then atleast I can do it at an apropriate time). I suspect there are ways to do this when they run on the same server too, but I can't rem`
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`13:44.36`	`LNShadow`	`hmm, when I used yum I did not have such problem )`
`13:45.42`	`DammitJim`	`do you guys know how I can change the listening port of wu-ftpd?`
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`13:47.54`	`neon__`	`Is theres a trick to raise volume over 200% ?`
`13:47.59`	`yogg`	`tremon: i work on a readonly aufs system with limited amount of filespace, so its not so easy for me to get all the compiling tools, but i have no other choice ^^`
`13:50.21`	`tremon`	`you don't need to compile it locally, you can use another debian stable machine to compile it`
`13:50.52`	`sacredchao`	`Hi, I installed some packages from unofficial Debian multimedia repository, but I want to remove them. How can I list all packages installed from a given repository?`
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`13:52.07`	`tremon`	`!tell sacredchao about dmm list`
`13:55.04`	`sacredchao`	`tremon: Wow that saved me! I reverted the libraries to official Debian verion and not my video editor works again!!`
`13:55.07`	`sacredchao`	`<3`
`13:55.22`	`LNShadow`	`johskar: thx`
`13:55.34`	`sacredchao`	`Next time I should probably install the kdenlive package from deb-multimedia alongside the ffmpeg libraries from there. derp.`
`13:55.56`	`johskar`	`LNShadow: not sure what I did, but you're welcome :-P`
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`13:58.16`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: Yes.`
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`14:07.20`	`DammitJim`	`jhutchins, where do I change the port number? I tried adding a -p 443 to the WU_OPTIONS in /etc/init.d/wu-ftpd but that didn't seem to work`
`14:07.49`	`DammitJim`	`I mean, I restarted the service, but netstat -l still says tcp 0 0 :ftp :*`
`14:07.55`	`DammitJim`	`so, I think it still expects port 22`
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`14:10.02`	`johskar`	`DammitJim: you are trying to run it on the https port? (should work but got to be sure no webservice is using that then)`
`14:10.13`	`DammitJim`	`johskar, no service running`
`14:10.23`	`DammitJim`	`I just need to transfer a large file into a cloud server`
`14:10.34`	`DammitJim`	`but changing firewall rules is a pain in the bottom`
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`14:10.55`	`johskar`	`use scp/sftp then....`
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`14:11.15`	`johskar`	`or can't you ssh between the could server and the other place?`
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`14:11.36`	`DammitJim`	`I already tried that but it's a pain because of adding users`
`14:11.45`	`DammitJim`	`(I am not the one who is going to be transfering the file)`
`14:12.09`	`oo_miguel`	`I need a programm capable of manipulating wav files. in particular cutting them in smaller pieces`
`14:12.23`	`oo_miguel`	`can you suggest something that ships with my debian 7`
`14:12.24`	`oo_miguel`	`?`
`14:12.28`	`johskar`	`k, so you want to use virtual users in wu-ftpd instead then?`
`14:12.36`	`DammitJim`	`anonymous`
`14:13.07`	`johskar`	`yikes!`
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`14:19.58`	`jhutchins`	`oo_miguel: There are a lot of ways to do that, either with a full-fledged audio editor or with automated programs that try to detect the silence between tracks.`
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`14:21.35`	`oo_miguel`	`i prefere a full-fledged editor`
`14:21.43`	`oo_miguel`	`for my workflow`
`14:22.02`	`oo_miguel`	`i imagine something that will show me some visualization of amplitude over time, and i can just set where to cut the sample`
`14:22.21`	`oo_miguel`	`listening to it, and applying optionally some filters would be fine too`
`14:22.49`	`caraconan`	`Hi there. How can I check the authority DNS server of a particular domain? In this case "example.com" is my domain: http://paste.debian.net/17798/`
`14:23.26`	`johskar`	`DammitJim: just recalled something... wu-ftpd (used to atleast) determine ports to use for ftp and ftp-data by looking for those two entries in /etc/services, try changing those two to the ports you want it to run on?`
`14:23.38`	`caraconan`	`I'm asking the primary DNS server of my domain, but looks like the response is not authority`
`14:24.08`	`DammitJim`	`johskar, yes, I tried that, but for some reason it didn't work`
`14:24.16`	`DammitJim`	`maybe I missed restarting something?`
`14:24.23`	`caraconan`	`DammitJim: by chance do you want to fix the passive FTP ports?`
`14:24.29`	`jhutchins`	`oo_miguel: audacity gnusound mhwavedit rezound rosegarden snd-gtk-pulse sweep traverso`
`14:24.30`	`caraconan`	`I mean to determine which ports to use?`
`14:24.55`	`DammitJim`	`I just want to make the ftp server use port 443 instead of 22 for the time being`
`14:25.27`	`caraconan`	`/etc/default does contain an entry for your FTP server?`
`14:25.44`	`Roenie`	`don't only hipsters have workflows?`
`14:25.55`	`caraconan`	`And FTP uses 21 TCP by default, TCP 22 is for SSH`
`14:26.15`	`Roenie`	`(in the cloud, somewhere)`
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`14:27.38`	`DammitJim`	`caraconan, no, no entry in /etc/default for ftp`
`14:27.45`	`DammitJim`	`I do see a line for ftp in /etc/services`
`14:28.05`	`DammitJim`	`sorry, I meant 21, not 22`
`14:28.06`	`caraconan`	`Are you using wu-ftpd ?`
`14:28.48`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/conn/ftp/ftp01-FtpdConfiguration/single/`
`14:29.05`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: I think that assumes you're not starting it with xinetd.`
`14:29.08`	`caraconan`	`Looks like as suggested by <johskar> you should dig in /etc/services`
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`14:30.05`	`DammitJim`	`caraconan, yes, wu-ftpd`
`14:30.53`	`DammitJim`	`jhutchins, if I don't have an wu-ftpd entry in /etc/default, does that mean I'm using xinetd?`
`14:33.49`	`caraconan`	`You should have an /etc/xinetd directory in this case`
`14:34.37`	`oo_miguel`	`jhutchins: thank you very much`
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`14:39.18`	`iri`	`I'm trying to boot from a debian 7 livecd, but as it starts, x goes into a rapid infinite loop of crashing (about 1 or two per second)`
`14:39.40`	`iri`	`I can just about use the busybox console from another VT, with a rapid blink during which the keyboard is unresponsive`
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`14:40.46`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: The lack of an entry in the default dir doesn't say how you're launching the daemon.`
`14:41.24`	`iri`	`I tried killing various things but it doesn't stop the rapid restarting`
`14:41.27`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: I hate to distract from the troubleshooting, but you should consider something other than wu-ftpd especially if you're really going to leave the server open to anomymous connections.`
`14:41.52`	`iri`	`the bottom of the stack trace appears to be xf86DeleteMode (and top is xorg_backtrace)`
`14:41.57`	`jhutchins`	`DammitJim: Running a straight ftp daemon is pretty much hanging a "hack me" sign on the internet.`
`14:42.46`	`iri`	`I also don't seem to be able to mount the usb stick, it says "error file not found" even though both the mount point and /dev/sdb1 both exist for ls`
`14:44.21`	`jhutchins`	`iri: What does mounting the USB stick have to do with the GUI problem on the live CD?`
`14:44.32`	`iri`	`I'm trying to copy out the Xorg log to the USB stick so I can pastebin it`
`14:45.07`	`jhutchins`	`iri: can you boot to single user or rescue mode? Something other than the GUI? Is the md5sum of the disk correct?`
`14:45.51`	`jhutchins`	`iri: If it's a FAT12 filesystem, do you have the DOS filesystem drivers?`
`14:46.00`	`iri`	`It's fat32`
`14:46.07`	`jhutchins`	`iri: What kind of system are you trying to mount it from?`
`14:46.55`	`iri`	`jhutchins: I don't understand the last question. I tried booting into single user mode by adding "S" or "Single" to the end of the kernel options and it still does exactly the same thing`
`14:47.05`	`iri`	`It's an lxde desktop i686 livecd`
`14:47.18`	`iri`	`(which is installed on a USB stick using unetbootin)`
`14:48.35`	`dokma`	`is there a linux app to make calls via android by using mic and speakers of the linux pc?`
`14:48.53`	`iri`	`Hm, I can't figure out how to get into single user mode`
`14:49.55`	`iri`	`ah, think I got it`
`14:49.58`	`DammitJim`	`caraconan, no, no xinetd directory`
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`14:50.32`	`iri`	`there was a failsafe mode in the options which appears to boot at least`
`14:50.37`	`caraconan`	`DammitJim: I should read specific instructions about how to listen to a different port, but should not be that hard`
`14:50.46`	`caraconan`	`Have a look at the /etc/init.d script`
`14:51.18`	`caraconan`	`You will find out the call to the daemon and the parameters passed to it. Check man page as well`
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`15:02.22`	`DammitJim`	`caraconan, that's what I said earlier... I added -p 443 to the WU_OPTIONS but nothing`
`15:02.28`	`DammitJim`	`it still looks in services for some reason`
`15:02.54`	`caraconan`	`sudo netstat -nlp \| grep -i ftp`
`15:03.00`	`caraconan`	`Still 21 TCP ?`
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`15:04.24`	`caraconan`	`If you are sure that "-p 443" switch will do the trick, what about to launch "/path/ftp/daemon -p 443" and in another console see what happened?`
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`15:56.39`	`thunder1212`	`hi`
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`15:57.35`	`thunder1212`	`i installed debian 7 gnome on my laptop and it detected my wifi adapter but when i tried debian kde live iso it does not?`
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`16:00.49`	`thunder1212`	`i need help`
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`16:01.42`	`thunder1212`	`i charged my laptop full and its working ok with other os but in debian it shows 50% only`
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`16:06.19`	`thunder1212`	`debian 7`
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`16:06.27`	`thunder1212`	`i need help`
`16:07.04`	`dioz`	`50% what?`
`16:07.11`	`dioz`	`battery?`
`16:07.12`	`dioz`	`oh`
`16:08.38`	`thunder1212`	`dioz, hi, i have a dell vostro laptop and i want to install debian 7 on it. i downloaded debian 7 live kde 64bit and when i boot in the battery show 59% remaining even though its fully charged?`
`16:09.24`	`thunder1212`	`dioz, also in debian 7 gnome my wifi is working but in debian kde its not?`
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`16:09.47`	`thunder1212`	`dioz, could it be due to missing firmware?`
`16:09.50`	`germs`	`did you check compatibility before installing?`
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`16:10.14`	`thunder1212`	`germs, what compatibility? how do i check?`
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`16:10.52`	`mtn`	`thunder1212: you can use the gnome disk and install kde afterward`
`16:10.58`	`thunder1212`	`PLZ HELPPP`
`16:11.10`	`thunder1212`	`mtn, why should i do that?`
`16:11.20`	`mtn`	`thunder1212: because it works?`
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`16:11.29`	`boudiccas`	`thunder1212, because it works!`
`16:11.47`	`thunder1212`	`mtn, thats not a solution.. i want the reason why it does not?`
`16:11.57`	`mtn`	`thunder1212: well, good luck then!`
`16:12.23`	`boudiccas`	`thunder1212, this is for you. you want to demand stuff, try #ubuntu`
`16:12.28`	`boudiccas`	`!volunteers`
`16:12.29`	`dpkg`	`Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.`
`16:12.48`	`thunder1212`	`boudiccas, ok forget the wifi why does the battery show 50% only both in gnome and kde?`
`16:13.36`	`abrotman`	`thunder1212: it sounds like your battery is dying`
`16:13.47`	`thunder1212`	`boudiccas, i searched google but there was nothing ?`
`16:13.52`	`abrotman`	`thunder1212: so it's fully charged, but 50% of original capadcity`
`16:14.20`	`thunder1212`	`abrotman, but that is not the case with other distros?`
`16:14.34`	`abrotman`	`thunder1212: verify witgh ACPI numbers, not a percentage in a bar`
`16:15.41`	`thunder1212`	`abrotman, how do i get the missing firmware for my laptop`
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`16:17.17`	`nvz`	`thunder1212: do you have a message in dmesg saying there is missing firmware?`
`16:18.03`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, how do i check that?`
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`16:18.45`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, i have broadcom wifi`
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`16:20.48`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, what should i do?`
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`16:22.19`	`nvz`	`thunder1212: lspci -nn > paste.log; cat /var/log/dmesg >> paste.log`
`16:22.29`	`nvz`	`thunder1212: then goto paste.debian.net and upload the paste.log`
`16:22.59`	`nvz`	`copy the url after the paste, and paste it here`
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`16:24.33`	`nvz`	`if only the whole world used irssi I would just write irssi plugins for these kinda things`
`16:24.56`	`nvz`	`automate the process of data collection for questions`
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`16:25.41`	`nvz`	`though I suppose if I do it right I can make em work as shell scripts too since perl is standard`
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`16:29.03`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, http://paste.debian.net/17821/`
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`16:30.02`	`nvz`	`thunder1212: you messed that up but that info helps a little`
`16:30.22`	`nvz`	`I ran that same command and got both lspci and dmesg log in my paste`
`16:31.27`	`nvz`	`seems like you got one of those lovely broadcome wifi/bluetooth chipsets`
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`16:31.35`	`nvz`	`and I'm being sarcastic`
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`16:32.46`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, ok is it more helpful http://paste.debian.net/17822/`
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`16:32.56`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, plz recheck this http://paste.debian.net/17822/`
`16:33.41`	`nvz`	`yeah thats more like it.. can look into all the issues from the dmesg log.. but for the wifi seems you're gonna have to build the wl driver`
`16:33.48`	`nvz`	`says its supported in wheezy`
`16:34.08`	`nvz`	`!wl`
`16:34.08`	`dpkg`	`Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the BCM4312 LP-PHY and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225/43227/43228 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . Since Debian 7.0 "Wheezy", this driver creates wireless interfaces with the 'wlan' prefix (see NEWS.Debian.gz). Most chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers.`
`16:34.31`	`nvz`	`!brcmsac`
`16:34.37`	`nvz`	`!brcmsmac`
`16:34.38`	`dpkg`	`brcmsmac (brcm80211 prior to Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. Access point and adhoc modes are supported since Linux 3.10. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211`
`16:34.59`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, i will get the wifi working somehow, but what to do about the battery issue?`
`16:35.35`	`nvz`	`so if you're following that you're going to need the firmware-brcm80211 package and probably need to install broadcom-sta-dkms as well`
`16:35.57`	`nvz`	`goes to read the rest of the paste`
`16:37.22`	`nvz`	`yeah I'm seeing some acpi issues in there.. and suggestions on how to fix em`
`16:37.38`	`nvz`	`dmesg log is cool like that.. tells you the problems and the fixes usually if you actually read it`
`16:38.08`	`nvz`	`line 627 [ 1.149558] ACPI: Deprecated procfs I/F for battery is loaded, please retry with CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER cleared`
`16:38.17`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, wow wish i could read it?`
`16:38.33`	`thunder1212`	`* understant actually?`
`16:39.07`	`nvz`	`heh.. I'm just being a wise ass.. cause you were badgering people directly and getting too emotional about the problem rather than slowing down and trying to help someone help you fix it`
`16:39.32`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, can you suggest the corrective measures in paste.debian.net`
`16:40.01`	`nvz`	`I haven't gotten that far yet.. I'm doing what you could've done already`
`16:40.02`	`thunder1212`	`i badgering people?`
`16:40.26`	`nvz`	`rather than googling randomly when you couldn't possibly be doing that effectively when you didn't even know what the problem was yet to know what to search for`
`16:41.11`	`nvz`	`heres what you say you know.. the battery percentage in your applet seems to be wrong... you say it works on other OSes and linux distros..`
`16:41.39`	`nvz`	`so that kinda leads one to believe its safe to rule out hardware.. and since other distros use the same applets.. you can probably rule that out too`
`16:41.40`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, yes..`
`16:42.09`	`nvz`	`that leaves only one thing to suspect.. the kernel.. particularly the acpi stuff that monitors the battery`
`16:43.02`	`nvz`	`kernel logs to /var/log/dmesg when it boots.. and woah.. imagine that.. it says you're using a deprecated procfs interface for the battery.. then it very kindly says please rety with CONFIG_ACPI_PROCKFS_POWER cleared`
`16:43.06`	`nvz`	`heh`
`16:43.10`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, so could updating after install to a newer kernel might help?`
`16:44.09`	`nvz`	`well first off I'd stop paying attention to a percentage cause nothing in the kernel does a percentage.. it outputs specifc information about design capacity, present capacity, last full capacity.. etc`
`16:44.31`	`nvz`	`so you might want to look at that information first.. to see if the kernel is even reporting the right info`
`16:44.58`	`nvz`	`in gnome for example when I click on my power applet it shows "Laptop Battery" I click on that and I see details..`
`16:45.25`	`nvz`	`I can see my battery is only charging to 82% capacity cause its old and degraded..`
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`16:47.25`	`nvz`	`I'd then compare the info in this deprecated procfs /proc/acpi/ to the /sys/class/power interface`
`16:47.32`	`nvz`	`and therein you'll likely see the problem`
`16:47.41`	`nvz`	`and the kernel already told you the solution`
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`16:53.51`	`thunder1212`	`nvz, thanks for all your assistance, i think i will do some research and then install on my laptop because where ever i read debian is the most stable`
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`17:00.31`	`nvz`	`another happy customer leaves the building and plans to actually READ .. imagine that.. we should put a star on the wall with their name on it..`
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`17:04.25`	`vectory_`	`i dont plan to read, cause i dont know where to look ... the problem, i try to compile simulavr from git and need to run the autotools. it complains that it needs automake1.10, but i have automake1.9. so i install automake1.10, which is now set as standard.`
`17:04.39`	`vectory_`	`how do i reset 1.9 as standard after compiling, do i even need to?`
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`17:11.20`	`berarma`	`hi, how could I configure the PHP timezone without editing /etc/php5/cli/php.ini so it doesn't get overriden on updates?`
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`17:16.19`	`theothertom`	`berarma: php.ini should be safe during updates`
`17:16.25`	`SineTheCreator`	`hi all`
`17:16.36`	`germs`	`hi SineTheCreator`
`17:16.42`	`SineTheCreator`	`hey germs :D`
`17:16.56`	`germs`	`How's your day going?`
`17:17.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's going. i slept way longer than i should have and now i'm running a bit behind. luckily i didn't have clients scheduled today.`
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`17:19.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: how about you?`
`17:19.12`	`adamsilver`	`What does this mean: chkconfig postgresql --list: postgresql 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off`
`17:20.57`	`germs`	`SineTheCreator: Kind of the opposite. I didn't get enough sleep. Kind of drowsy, but awake. Zero motivation to do anything productive though`
`17:21.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`germs: ahh. i know how it is.`
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`17:22.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`i often stay up until 3 or 4am working on a projetc`
`17:23.06`	`PaulE`	`Greetings all. Would someone kindly point me in the direction upon where I could, as much as possible, automate a patch as a part of compiling a debian package from source? I'm specifically dealing with the php5 packages and have a patch I need to apply.`
`17:24.13`	`kudu`	`Hi, I have an issue`
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`17:24.40`	`berarma`	`theothertom: not on dist-upgrade?`
`17:24.42`	`kudu`	`even though /dev/null seems to have 666 permissions, I'm not able to write to it unless I'm root`
`17:25.25`	`berarma`	`kudu: seems to have?`
`17:25.35`	`kudu`	`crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jul 11 21:41 /dev/null`
`17:25.55`	`berarma`	`you should post complete command and results`
`17:26.09`	`berarma`	`I mean the one that fails`
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`17:26.37`	`kudu`	`ah nvm I got it to work`
`17:26.39`	`kudu`	`thanks though`
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`17:58.09`	`WilliamDotRS`	`is there a way to entirely detach a HDD (by SATA) so it will shutdown (or spin entirely down at least)?`
`17:58.21`	`WilliamDotRS`	`i do not intend to use it (manual spare for zfs)`
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`18:08.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm, i'm having a strange problem here`
`18:08.39`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm trying to copy a large file to one of my samba shares via wifi`
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`18:08.51`	`SineTheCreator`	`reading and copying from isn't exactly snappy but it's acceptable`
`18:09.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`but copying to is painfu;ly slow`
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`18:10.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`i've tried a few different wireless cards, no fix`
`18:10.34`	`jordanm`	`what speeds are you seeing?`
`18:10.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`the fileshares are running on a debian server and are samba shares`
`18:10.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`jordanm: for downloading from, anywhere from 0-1.2MB/s\`
`18:11.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`for uploading ... 17KB/s or none at all. it often stalls`
`18:11.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`i tried copying a debian iso and it got stuck at 71% after a long time`
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`18:11.24`	`jordanm`	`1-2MB/s is reasonable for 802.11g`
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`18:11.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`sure, download is acceptable`
`18:11.36`	`SineTheCreator`	`upload is not`
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`18:11.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`something isn't right here`
`18:12.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm running debian 7.1 with trinity desktop btw.`
`18:12.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`on the client, i mean`
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`18:12.50`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: If you've tried different cards it's probably the router/ap.`
`18:13.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`cards i have tried are my laptop's built in broadcom b43, a belkin F5D7050v3 with a built-in ralink chipset, and a trendnet TEW-424UB v3.1`
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`18:13.19`	`SineTheCreator`	`with a realtek chipset`
`18:13.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: hrm... i guess it could be`
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`18:13.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`the router is a WRT54Gv8 running the recommended DD-WRT`
`18:13.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`build`
`18:14.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`let me plug my lan cable in and see what happens. i bet it works perfectly.`
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`18:15.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`woah, this is strange`
`18:15.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`on LAN it was fine until it hit ~60%, transfer speed was ~20MBIT/s`
`18:16.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`then it dropped down to ~500KB/s`
`18:16.18`	`SineTheCreator`	`er ~20MB/s, not Mbit. sorry`
`18:16.53`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's still copying at ~500KB/s, but it hasn't stalled at least. it's almost finished.`
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`18:17.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`i wonder if the router is just shot`
`18:17.48`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: Obviously there are a lot of components that you could test - disk transfer, buffering, network. The fact that it starts high then shifts suggests that either you're hitting the cache limit and having to start writing to the disk, or that the disk may be having trouble writing (or reading) once it reaches a certain sector.`
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`18:18.26`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: that would suggest that the disk would resume full speed after skipping the bad sector though?`
`18:18.46`	`SineTheCreator`	`and read speeds via lan are fine`
`18:19.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm. it stalled at 100%`
`18:19.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`weird`
`18:19.49`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: A couple of things to check: log level in smb.conf, install smartmontools and check for disk errors.`
`18:20.15`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: will do. thanks :D`
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`18:20.51`	`SineTheCreator`	`yeah, see it's still stalled and i can't access those shares again via the file manager until i kill all of them`
`18:21.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`the konqueror processes i mean`
`18:21.09`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's like everything is just locking up`
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`18:24.16`	`devios`	`tail -f /var/log/auth helped me figure out that I needed to apt-get install libpam-pwdfile... groooooooooan. thx anyways.`
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`18:26.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: ok, samba logging is enabled via smb.conf, and per-machine logging is also enabled. but the logs for most of the machines are empty.`
`18:26.42`	`SineTheCreator`	`i guess it's a logging-level issue`
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`18:26.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`that includes this machine`
`18:27.17`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: If the level is 3 or greater it can cause a lot of extra traffic.`
`18:27.49`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: I'd get the GUI out of the equation to start with.`
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`18:29.22`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: there is no GUI, i'm checking everything via ssh`
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`18:29.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`or did you mean on the client side?`
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`18:30.35`	`jhutchins`	`SineTheCreator: Are you using a GUI to copy the file, or CLI?`
`18:31.58`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: i'm using a gui to copy the file. i could try it with sftp`
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`18:32.17`	`SineTheCreator`	`or scp`
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`18:35.33`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: scp'ing it via ethernet worked perfectly. speed was ~11.5MB/s, which is normal.`
`18:35.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`let me try via wifi`
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`18:36.57`	`SineTheCreator`	`via wifi it continually gets slower`
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`18:37.12`	`SineTheCreator`	`it started at ~2.2MB/s and is down to ~500KB/s now`
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`18:37.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`it seems to be holding steady at ~550KB/s`
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`18:38.23`	`SineTheCreator`	`hrm. i guess i could just remove samba on the fileserver and use sftp from now on`
`18:38.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`it definitely seems to be a problem in samba or konqueror`
`18:39.58`	`SineTheCreator`	`i wonder if i'd be better off setting them up as NFS shares instead of samba`
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`18:42.52`	`mechanicalduck`	`Valid question: Why are tools like localpurge needed at all? What additional unnecessary stuff is also installed during installation? Are there other tools, too?`
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`18:45.15`	`jack_thompson`	`debian/unstable: when can i expect alsa settings to stop changing? somehow oss-alsa stopped working for some apps all of a sudden...`
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`18:45.55`	`jack_thompson`	`i mean unstable... but is that a larger experiment that is going on with alsa settings?`
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`18:49.24`	`SineTheCreator`	`jhutchins: it's not konqueror. copying files via sftp:// in konqueror works fine. it's just samba`
`18:49.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`i know what i'll do, i'll remove samab`
`18:49.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`blah. samba*`
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`18:51.37`	`Doctor_Pi`	`I'm having trouble adding a printer in Debian unstable.`
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`18:52.40`	`Doctor_Pi`	`System settings sees the printer but when I click add it silently fails. I think this is because my user is not in the right group.`
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`18:53.46`	`ompaul`	`msl09: it's not on this network`
`18:54.02`	`Doctor_Pi`	`oftc I believe.`
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`18:54.36`	`Doctor_Pi`	`msl09: OFTC if I'm not mistaken`
`18:55.33`	`msl09`	`hmmm`
`18:55.47`	`msl09`	`I'll try to connect there`
`18:56.10`	`mrtadis`	`Hello everyone. I'm using a preseed.cfg file. How to preseed locale, that after installation environment variables would look like this: $LANG=lt_LT.UTF-8, $LANGUAGE=en_US:en ?`
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`18:56.55`	`psilo3`	`Is there a way I can tell apt to only install a given set of packages from a repository, even if others are available?`
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`18:58.59`	`jordanm`	`psilo3, you can't exclude packages if they are dependencies`
`18:59.05`	`edju`	`Installed grub-splashimages and edited /etc/default/grub to add GRUB_BACKGROUND="/boot/grub/splashimages/debian-moreblue-swirl.xpm". update-grub errors with Unsupported Image format. Any advice appreciated.`
`18:59.07`	`jordanm`	`otherwise... apt-get install <given set of packages>`
`19:00.33`	`psilo3`	`jordanm: the problem being that the non-preferred repo is providing <other set of packages> when I install them.`
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`19:01.15`	`jordanm`	psilo3, show the output of `apt-cache policy`
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`19:04.52`	`useless-eater`	`hi guys, after 'upgraded' to jessie I got "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw for module r8169" errors while upgrading. firmware-realtek is installed. hm, anyone knows if this is because jessie is testing or is it a easy fix?`
`19:05.14`	`jordanm`	`,file /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw --release testing`
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`19:05.38`	`jordanm`	`,file /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw`
`19:05.41`	`judd`	`No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.`
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`19:05.47`	`jordanm`	`,file /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw --release jesse`
`19:05.50`	`judd`	`No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.`
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`19:06.50`	`useless-eater`	`cool, a apt-file bot? :)`
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`19:10.35`	`anon411`	`SineTheCreator i've installed iredmail and now i don't know how to reverse that / points to /mail (apache2 config)`
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`19:11.20`	`anon411`	`i think i've checked all configs in /etc/apache2`
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`19:14.05`	`anddam`	`is there a simple solution in Debian's repository for indexing PDF\|HTML\|text\|MS word\|MS excel files in a tree and let an user search them via web?`
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`19:14.54`	`ex0a`	`a friend of mine has a vps and the clock kept getting way out of sync with other boxes so we installed ntp.. it still would get way out of sync over time (several hours) so we installed openntpd and it still is causing issues. we just now noticed that when running date, the seconds actually take like 15+ seconds to increase 1 second in the date output`
`19:14.59`	`ex0a`	`what could be causing that?!`
`19:15.04`	`anddam`	`I've sniped a few names searching with aptitude htdig, sphinx, namazu2, xapian-omega, pinot but I've got no experience with any of them so I'd like an advice about one that is straightforward to setup`
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`19:15.42`	`psilo3`	`jordanm: sorry, got distracted by that output. You put me on the right track, thanks for that suggestion`
`19:15.59`	`anddam`	`ex0a: idk but that sounds well messed up, have him search the VPS provider's forum for similar issue`
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`19:21.07`	`ex0a`	`anddam: yeah we looked at the site and there is no forum, it's a small provider evidently`
`19:21.17`	`ex0a`	`i'll contact their support though`
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`19:31.56`	`ImaLamer`	`ex0a: could be the host clock is way out of sync or has a TZ issue`
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`19:34.22`	`PaulE`	`attempting to get the latest php5 sources using apt-get source php5 and I'm getting 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 instead of 5.3.3-7+squeeze16 .... what would cause that?`
`19:34.30`	`HellTiger`	`it sounds maybe strange but is there a ssh client wich has a X like gui? so you would be able to use file browser and Xterm, but you only interact over terminal ssh`
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`19:35.13`	`ImaLamer`	`HellTiger: you could connect via nautilus to your server (File menu)`
`19:35.40`	`HellTiger`	`ImaLamer: is there a windows solution? maybe konqueror on CYGWIN`
`19:35.46`	`KDank`	`yo how do I run a program?`
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`19:36.12`	`HellTiger`	`or can you tell me the some syntax for this function, then ill google my self`
`19:36.23`	`babilen`	`PaulE: deb-src for squeeze-security? you should plan your upgrade to wheezy! (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy)`
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`19:37.51`	`PaulE`	`babilen: something other than deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main ?`
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`20:10.55`	`Azrael_-`	`hi`
`20:10.57`	`Azrael_-`	`one disk ran full: /dev/sda2 224G 224G 0 100% /home after deleting 11gb i get this: /dev/sda2 224G 213G 0 100% /home still nothing free, how is this possible?`
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`20:16.29`	`g105b`	`What is available to keep my configurations synchronised between servers?`
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`20:21.23`	`digdilem`	`Azrael_-, are you deleting from desktop? is it possibly your wm has a trashcan thing?`
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`20:26.45`	`Azrael_-`	`digdilem: it was the reserved blocks`
`20:26.55`	`Azrael_-`	`after deleting more it went down`
`20:27.33`	`digdilem`	`ok`
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`20:46.04`	`PaulE`	`To get the latest source packages for php5 for squeeze, should I be using something other than deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main in my /etc/apt/sources.list?`
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`20:46.39`	`nkuttler`	`,v php5`
`20:46.40`	`judd`	`Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze16; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u3; jessie: 5.4.4-15.1; sid: 5.5.0+dfsg-15; sid: 5.5.1+dfsg-1`
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`20:47.04`	`nkuttler`	`PaulE: yeah`
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`20:47.53`	`PaulE`	`so, does that mean deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/security main ?`
`20:49.28`	`nkuttler`	`!tell PaulE about squeeze sources.list`
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`20:54.31`	`PaulE`	`nkuttler: ack! I neglected to run update in my chroot. thanks :)`
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`21:17.50`	`Dirkson`	`Hey all. Is there any way to blacklist packages? (I.e. dbus, who keeps sneaking back into my system through broken dependencies)`
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`21:18.31`	`brontosaurusrex`	`Dirkson, via apt-pinning ?`
`21:19.02`	`Dirkson`	`brontosaurusrex: I've heard of, and I think used apt-pinning in the past. I only remember it being used to stop upgrades, though?`
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`21:19.21`	`brontosaurusrex`	`Dirkson, hold on .....`
`21:20.06`	`brontosaurusrex`	`Dirkson, Pin-Priority: -1 should stop it (i think)`
`21:20.16`	`Dirkson`	`Interesting. Okie`
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`21:22.18`	`Dirkson`	`brontosaurusrex: Thanks : )`
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`21:33.17`	`JcGood`	`hi all`
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`21:37.02`	`JcGood`	`hi all`
`21:37.11`	`JcGood`	`i installed the last version of debian`
`21:37.29`	`JcGood`	`but in package i dont have the last last version of software`
`21:37.38`	`JcGood`	`how can i add last version in synaptic`
`21:38.27`	`jordanm`	`JcGood, debian is like RHEL and SLES. it values stability, not bleeding edge software versions. new upstream versions are not moved into stable`
`21:38.29`	`jordanm`	`!latest`
`21:38.31`	`dpkg`	`from memory, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by its version number - that's what it's for. Refer to Debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'wheezy' (7.0), 'jessie' (testing), 'sid' (unstable).`
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`21:41.09`	`JcGood`	`yes but some software are stable in latest version`
`21:41.17`	`JcGood`	`and i need that`
`21:41.25`	`JcGood`	`i know that i have to add a source in source.list`
`21:42.38`	`jordanm`	`JcGood, our definition of stable is not "doesn't crash", it is more "rarely changes"`
`21:42.52`	`jordanm`	`JcGood, what do you need a newer version of?`
`21:43.02`	`JcGood`	`phpmyadmin and some other stuff`
`21:43.09`	`JcGood`	`do you know the name of the repo ?`
`21:43.12`	`JcGood`	`for debian ?`
`21:44.01`	`jordanm`	`what does the newer version of phpmyadmin offer that you need?`
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`21:44.44`	`somiaj`	`JcGood: you should make sure you really need it, and look into backports.`
`21:45.03`	`jordanm`	`,versions phpmyadmin`
`21:45.04`	`judd`	`Package: phpmyadmin on i386 -- squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; wheezy: 4:3.4.11.1-2; jessie: 4:4.0.3-1; sid: 4:4.0.4.1-1`
`21:45.22`	`jordanm`	`it's not backported, but a SSB should be easy assuming it doesn't require a newer version of PHP`
`21:45.42`	`somiaj`	`the debian version will have security patches so if security is your concern debian deals with that. If it is a feature you need, rember that you will now have to keep track of security issues yourself.`
`21:46.11`	`jordanm`	`security couldn't possibly be a concern if he wants to install phpmyadmin`
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`21:52.04`	`ImaLamer`	`jordanm: that's unfair, it can be secured behind https and other hacks`
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`21:52.32`	`ImaLamer`	`JcGood: but the onus is on you to make it 'secure'`
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`21:55.39`	`usrnix`	`Is there a way to mark specific packages to use a backported version? So I have XFCE4 installed in stable but would like to try the Jessie version, adding backports to sources.list and installing xfce4 didn't work nor dist-upgrade`
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`21:56.15`	`somiaj`	`testing and backports are two differnt things`
`21:56.27`	`somiaj`	`if there is not a backport version made in wheezy-backports you will have to make your own`
`21:56.38`	`somiaj`	`,v xfce4`
`21:56.39`	`judd`	`Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1`
`21:57.01`	`somiaj`	`usrnix: /msg dpkg ssbp and try to make your own will be the suggested method`
`21:57.41`	`jhutchins`	`ssb, not ssbp`
`21:57.47`	`jhutchins`	`although both might work/`
`21:57.55`	`usrnix`	`somiaj: Would I have to recompile for every update using that method?`
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`21:58.15`	`somiaj`	`usrnix: yes`
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`21:58.56`	`usrnix`	`somiaj: ah, thanks but that's not worth it since XFCE4 is a desktop environment and that would take a long time`
`21:59.18`	`usrnix`	`Why doesn't backports install from testing? Does anything?`
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`21:59.25`	`somiaj`	`the process is fairly automated so depends on cpu speed`
`21:59.35`	`somiaj`	`do not install testing on stable`
`21:59.53`	`somiaj`	`backports are made from testing, but compiled against stable. If the debian team does not make them you have to make them yourself.`
`22:00.00`	`usrnix`	`Mm ok, too bad`
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`22:00.00`	`oo_miguel`	`i am trying to use gtk-recordmydesktop to capture video as well as sound, however the sound does not work. I set Mix in alsamixer as Inut Source, and set Capture to CAPTURE. however still my resulting video has no sound ...`
`22:00.05`	`oo_miguel`	`any idea what I am missing?`
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`22:02.48`	`Rikairchy`	`hm`
`22:02.56`	`Lightz`	`hi. is the debian project democratic or meritocratic?`
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`22:07.27`	`brontosaurusrex`	`according to saying of the new leader that debian needs inside inovations (and that was more than a week ago) and the fornt page is still the same all this time, i'd say "democratic" or "nobody really caresocratic"`
`22:07.45`	`brontosaurusrex`	`front*`
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`22:08.17`	`brontosaurusrex`	`but i'am just a user/distant observer`
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`22:09.42`	`brontosaurusrex`	`that was for you Lightz`
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`22:10.22`	`Lightz`	`thanks brontosaurusrex`
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`22:10.25`	Claudio`	`Hello :)`
`22:10.30`	Claudio`	`Good morning :)`
`22:11.18`	`brontosaurusrex`	`oo_miguel, i'd use ffmpeg or avconv with x11grab (script and guides all over the net)`
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`22:12.16`	`ultra__`	`anyone know why libqt4-network is statically linked to openssl instead of dynamically linked to it?`
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`22:16.44`	`Lightz`	`what do you think is better for debian? democracy or meritocracy?`
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`22:17.49`	`abrotman`	`Lightz: do you have a support questoin ?`
`22:18.43`	`Lightz`	`im sorry. i thought the channel was for general discussion, too.`
`22:19.16`	`abrotman`	`try #debian-offtopic for something like that`
`22:19.27`	`Lightz`	`thank you.`
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`22:50.02`	`Ener2`	`hello, can I put in init.d scripts a call to executable that will not hide itself and will print out messages to stdout?`
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`22:50.56`	`Ener2`	`because when I put in sbcl it will not exit the script ever`
`22:51.01`	`petn-randall`	`Ener2: What do you mean by 'hide itself'? None of the daemons hide. Except for daemonkeeper :)`
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`22:51.27`	`Ener2`	`petn-randall: basically right now it will after running ./foo start`
`22:51.35`	`Ener2`	`it will not end, the script`
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`22:52.18`	`Ener2`	`http://pastebin.com/4ntPc5UW`
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`22:52.28`	`petn-randall`	`Ener2: A normal init script will call the daemon in the background and write the pid to a file so it can be stopped at a later point.`
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`22:52.43`	`Ener2`	`I only modified this one`
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`22:53.13`	`Ener2`	`petn-randall: http://www.everville.de/pages/howtos/linux/svnserve/index.html`
`22:53.17`	`petn-randall`	`Ener2: If you're writing your own, check out the other init scripts on your Debian system to get an idea how it should work.`
`22:53.23`	`Ener2`	`^`
`22:53.29`	`Ener2`	`I changed that to call sbcl instead`
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`22:53.32`	`Ener2`	`and names around`
`22:53.38`	`Ener2`	`and the username/group`
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`22:55.14`	`VsioZashibis`	`hi. when I use screen, my prompt looks different. How can I modify my screen profile ?`
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`22:55.34`	`petn-randall`	`VsioZashibis: Check the man page. And .screenrc`
`22:56.05`	`petn-randall`	`goes to bed.`
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`22:56.23`	`VsioZashibis`	`petn-randall: where is .screenrc? its not in user's home like .bash_profile`
`22:57.47`	`digdilem`	`you need to create it`
`22:58.20`	`digdilem`	`there's quite a few web pages with example .screenrc's with tab layouts, title bars etc`
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`23:07.33`	`anon411`	`SineTheCreator: <poke>`
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`23:08.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`hey anon411`
`23:08.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`man, samba is driving me insane`
`23:09.19`	`SineTheCreator`	`i tried switching to NFS for my fileserver but that didn't help, because with NFS it's a bit difficult to export encrypted partitions that are not automounted at startup`
`23:09.38`	`anon411`	`I'm fighting with iredmail http://pastebin.com/zR9Fihzb`
`23:09.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`my only decent option at this point is doing all filesharing via SFTP. which works, but is not a great solution for obvious reasons`
`23:10.25`	`anon411`	`no idea, i have never used nfs`
`23:10.26`	`vectory_`	`HellTiger: hey there`
`23:10.29`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: the problem is the 'domain myhost.com`
`23:10.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`'`
`23:10.36`	`HellTiger`	`hello`
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`23:10.52`	`anon411`	`there is my domain. i have replaced it`
`23:11.10`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: so myhost.com is your actual domain?`
`23:11.43`	`anon411`	`i have replaced my domain with myhost.com when i upload paste`
`23:11.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: have you restarted the relevant services after changing the setting in the config?`
`23:11.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`:/`
`23:11.51`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh`
`23:11.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`okay, i understand now`
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`23:12.20`	`anon411`	`i've restarted spamassasin, dovecot, postfix and his policy...`
`23:12.28`	`anon411`	`i can send mail out, but i can't receive`
`23:12.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: you need to check some other logs`
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`23:12.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: this is from mail.log yes?`
`23:12.54`	`anon411`	`yes, that's it`
`23:13.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`ok, try looking at /var/log/dovecot.log`
`23:13.27`	`SineTheCreator`	`it looks like postfix isn't the part that is failing here`
`23:13.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`that leaves dovecot`
`23:14.01`	`anon411`	`it's okay`
`23:14.16`	`SineTheCreator`	`also, you need to fix this -> warning: do not list domain myhost.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains`
`23:14.24`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's not causing your current problem but it should be correct.`
`23:14.29`	`anon411`	`i have domain like: subdomain.domain.com and i have created test@subdomain.domain.com so maybe...`
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`23:14.46`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahh. yeah, i don't think that works`
`23:15.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`try doing testuser@foo.com instead of testuser@foo1.foo.com`
`23:15.12`	Claudio`	`Hello friend, i got a problem :) - when i configure in /etc/apt/apt.conf`
`23:15.13`	`SineTheCreator`	`i'm sure there is a way to make it work but i'm not sure how`
`23:15.23`	`anon411`	`i don't have domain`
`23:15.28`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: ?`
`23:15.37`	`SineTheCreator`	`you do not own your domain?`
`23:15.42`	`anon411`	`my serwer is: subdomain.domain.com i don't have access to domain.com`
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`23:16.02`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: lol. okay, you cannot run a mailserver for a subdomain. you need control of the domain to setup MX records.`
`23:16.06`	`SineTheCreator`	`that is why your emails are failing. one reason.`
`23:16.09`	Claudio`	`Acquire::http::proxy “http://username:password@proxy:port″ - my password contain @ --> Type Claudio@`
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`23:16.25`	Claudio`	`I think, proxy, don't run`
`23:16.31`	`SineTheCreator`	`even if you were able to make them work locally, your mailserver would never work`
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`23:16.51`	`SineTheCreator`	`you'd need to add MX records for your mailserver to the DNS zone file for domain.com`
`23:16.59`	Claudio`	`ther's a method type: --> http://Username:"Password"@proxy:port/ ?`
`23:17.06`	Claudio`	`Or: /password/ ?`
`23:17.11`	`SineTheCreator`	`you'd also nee to setup reverse DNS for your virtual machine that points back to domain.com`
`23:17.20`	`SineTheCreator`	`without both of these things your mail server absolutely will not work correctly`
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`23:17.52`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: sorry man :( i'd recommend just sticking with gmail unless you can buy your own domain`
`23:18.00`	`anon411`	`I can do it. I have MX domain: "subdomain.domain.com" and it points to "10:mail.subdomain.domain.com"`
`23:18.20`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: that will not work though. it has to be an MX record for the top-level domain`
`23:18.38`	`SineTheCreator`	`also, the 10: is not needed`
`23:18.45`	`anon411`	`so why that MX records for lower domain exists? ;_;`
`23:18.47`	`SineTheCreator`	`the syntax would simply be 'mail.domain.com'`
`23:19.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: i have no idea. i've never seen one work.`
`23:19.18`	Claudio`	`Thx :)`
`23:19.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: how do you configure the zone file for your subdomain?`
`23:19.41`	`SineTheCreator`	`is it through some kind of control panel?`
`23:19.49`	`anon411`	`it's on http://freedns.afraid.org`
`23:19.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`ahhhh`
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`23:20.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`okay, yeah, that will absolutely not work`
`23:20.02`	`anon411`	`you can make cool subdomains like usr.sh etc.`
`23:20.08`	`SineTheCreator`	`it must be a top level domain`
`23:20.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`you can have subdomains of the top-level domain`
`23:20.38`	`SineTheCreator`	`for example my mailservers are mailserver1.tld.com, mailserver2.tld.com, etc`
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`23:20.50`	`SineTheCreator`	`but the MX record points at mail.tld.com`
`23:21.21`	`SineTheCreator`	`the tld handles incoming mail`
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`23:21.58`	`SineTheCreator`	`it's ... pretty confusing`
`23:22.15`	`anon411`	`you have MX domain mailserver1.tld.com and it points to mail.tld.com ? or its mail.tld.com and it points to mailserver1.tld.com`
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`23:24.05`	`ImaLamer`	`idk what you are talking about but .com is the top level domain`
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`23:26.56`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: i have mail.tld.com and it points to mailserver*.tld.com`
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`23:27.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`ImaLamer: i know, .com is the tld.`
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`23:27.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: i.e. mail.mydomain.com > mailserver*.mydomain.com`
`23:27.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`where * is a number determined by my load balancer`
`23:28.29`	`ImaLamer`	`you can point MX records to any DNS A record`
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`23:29.19`	`SineTheCreator`	`ImaLamer: yep`
`23:29.21`	`anon411`	`so, ImaLamer says "to any", SineTheCreator says "to top level domain" and i must check it on myself anyway ;p`
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`23:29.35`	`SineTheCreator`	`in my zone file, i have an SPF record that identifies all of my mailserver hostnames`
`23:29.49`	`SineTheCreator`	`?`
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`23:30.03`	`SineTheCreator`	`anon411: ImaLamer said 'to any'? where?`
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`23:30.14`	`anon411`	`"you can point MX records to any DNS A record"`
`23:30.20`	`SineTheCreator`	`yes, you can.`
`23:30.40`	`SineTheCreator`	`this includes subdomains. but the MX record must be ON the zone file for the top domain.`
`23:30.43`	`SineTheCreator`	`do you understand now?`
`23:30.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`the MX recor cannot be on a subdomain's zone file`
`23:30.57`	`ImaLamer`	`mailserverX.mydomain.com is a sub-domain, hopefully a valid A record`
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`23:31.01`	`SineTheCreator`	`it must be on the top domain's zone file.`
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`23:31.14`	`SineTheCreator`	`ImaLamer: he's trying to put the MX record on a subdomain's zone file.`
`23:31.29`	`anon411`	`i don't know if it's subdomains zone file`
`23:31.34`	`SineTheCreator`	`:/`
`23:31.48`	`SineTheCreator`	`you said you were configuring a freedns subdomain?`
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`23:32.01`	`anon411`	`yes, in subdomain tab i can create MX domains`
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`23:32.07`	`SineTheCreator`	`that means the zone file you have access to is a subdomain zone file`
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`23:32.30`	`SineTheCreator`	`you do not have access to the zone file for domain.com unless you own domain.com`
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`23:32.40`	`anon411`	`sighs`
`23:32.54`	`SineTheCreator`	`the MX record needs to go into the zone file for domain.com`
`23:33.00`	`SineTheCreator`	`not for subdomain.domain.com`
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`23:33.11`	`ImaLamer`	`it is entirely possible to run MX servers from subdomains like free dns services`
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`23:35.35`	`ImaLamer`	`however you can't create sub.subdomain.freedomain.tv mx servers`
`23:36.02`	`ImaLamer`	`your.freedomain.tld is all you can use unless you specify other services, then you can list many`
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`23:36.21`	`anon411`	`hmm, that gives me idea`
`23:37.34`	`ImaLamer`	`anon411: if what you are trying to accomplish is mail via Afraid DNS it's possible on their end, it's up to you on your end next`
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`23:40.22`	`elkingrey`	`I'm a total python noob. I've read a couple of tutorials and am reading a python book right now. I'm totally lost and don't really know how to write any real code or where to go from here, or how to progress. I really need a mentor, but I live in the sticks. I'd like to find some large project that is already going on and be a part of it, instead of trying to write a brand new program from scratch, which just seems fut`
`23:40.24`	`elkingrey`	`ile to me. I run debian. Is there any way possible for me to help the debian project in a way that will teach me new things and help develop my python skills? I need somebody or somebodies to take me under their wing and show me the ropes. Is this possible?`
`23:41.57`	`elkingrey`	`It's sort of like wanting to learn how to be a machinist and being handed a broom to sweep up all of the metal shavings on the ground. That's okay with me, if it'll get my foot in the door to learn new things.`
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`23:45.42`	`anon411`	`According to mail server. I have info about temporary failure in /var/log/mail.log but i don't know what it fails. Isn't there debug mode or something like that?`
`23:45.52`	`anon411`	`'why it fails`
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`23:52.49`	`anon411`	`> deferred (temporary failure)`
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