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| 00:23.44 | MonkeyAssExtreme | Hi, I have an attached USB device (dell streak 7 tablet) which i can see via lsusb or in kinfo center, but I'm unsure how to tell if it's sdb1 or what if I want to mount it as external storage. how do i do that? |
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| 00:24.16 | azathoth99 | fat just mount -t msdos /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 00:24.20 | azathoth99 | if ntfs |
| 00:24.31 | azathoth99 | ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
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| 00:24.43 | azathoth99 | desmg to see what drive name is, sdb sdc etc |
| 00:24.45 | MonkeyAssExtreme | i don't know if it's sdb1 though is my point hehe |
| 00:24.50 | MonkeyAssExtreme | oh ok |
| 00:24.50 | azathoth99 | and you prob have to install ntfs-3g |
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| 00:26.26 | MonkeyAssExtreme | dmesg returns a ton of info, any way to narrow it down a bit? |
| 00:28.09 | MonkeyAssExtreme | hmmm |
| 00:29.41 | azathoth99 | plug in the usb |
| 00:29.45 | azathoth99 | then run dmesg |
| 00:29.48 | azathoth99 | and read last 15 lines |
| 00:29.55 | somiaj | MonkeyAssExtreme: you can grep the module name or device name to try to narrow it down |
| 00:29.56 | azathoth99 | look for sdb sdc sdd |
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| 00:30.11 | somiaj | MonkeyAssExtreme: or if you just plug it in it will be in the last few lines as azathoth99 said |
| 00:30.14 | azathoth99 | should be right at the bitton |
| 00:30.18 | azathoth99 | bottom |
| 00:30.22 | MonkeyAssExtreme | last 15 lines are about wlan stuff :( |
| 00:30.37 | azathoth99 | is this a wireless usb thingy? |
| 00:30.41 | ctmjr | MonkeyAssExtreme, unplug it wait a second or 2 plug it back in then run dmesg | tail |
| 00:30.42 | azathoth99 | dear gods |
| 00:30.58 | MonkeyAssExtreme | ah tail should do it, good thinking |
| 00:31.02 | MonkeyAssExtreme | Thanks people!!! |
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| 00:31.57 | truexfan81 | ok i gave up on that and switched to apache2 |
| 00:32.06 | MonkeyAssExtreme | crap all i got was "usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd" |
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| 00:32.19 | truexfan81 | this guide is not working http://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 00:32.29 | azathoth99 | self signed cert is childs play |
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| 00:33.01 | truexfan81 | azathoth99: i have the certs, thats not all the guide is about |
| 00:33.05 | azathoth99 | http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt |
| 00:33.28 | azathoth99 | goto the source of the tek, a dsitro has many things to worry about |
| 00:33.49 | azathoth99 | what then is the trouble? |
| 00:33.49 | truexfan81 | i'm fine until step 4 which is creating the https site |
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| 00:34.00 | azathoth99 | httpd.apache.org |
| 00:34.04 | azathoth99 | has ssl section |
| 00:34.34 | truexfan81 | yeah i thought this would be better since it was specific to debian |
| 00:35.00 | azathoth99 | heh |
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| 00:35.06 | azathoth99 | try hiawatha or cherokee |
| 00:35.14 | azathoth99 | or hek mathopd if using php |
| 00:35.23 | dysinger | Is there an easy way to debootstrap & then apt-get upgrade at the same time? debootstrap by itself results in an outdated distro. |
| 00:35.39 | truexfan81 | not using any of that, just trying to get a simple http/https server going |
| 00:36.09 | azathoth99 | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ssl/ssl_howto.html |
| 00:36.23 | azathoth99 | dont rely on distro to hold your corcob |
| 00:36.26 | MonkeyAssExtreme | Ok, so when I do dmesg | tail and plug in all i get is "usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd" How do I know how to mount it from that? |
| 00:36.32 | truexfan81 | please don't just link guides, just leads to more confusion |
| 00:36.33 | azathoth99 | distro has to solve lots fo small problems |
| 00:36.40 | azathoth99 | let the tek own site guide ya |
| 00:36.56 | azathoth99 | actaully the guide if read would REDUCE confusion |
| 00:36.57 | truexfan81 | azathoth99: thats the opposite of what jelly-home told me earlier |
| 00:37.09 | azathoth99 | well where si this jelly |
| 00:37.15 | azathoth99 | I shall duel her to the death |
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| 00:38.02 | azathoth99 | admins disagree |
| 00:38.11 | azathoth99 | I will say that cherokee has GUI admin tool |
| 00:38.20 | SineTheCreator | hi all. can anyone recommend a lightweight browser that isn't dillo? :D |
| 00:38.24 | azathoth99 | and hiawatha has simpler if less flexible configuration with examples |
| 00:38.31 | azathoth99 | firefox |
| 00:38.37 | truexfan81 | azathoth99: i'm doing all this over ssh, its a headless server, so there is no gui |
| 00:38.45 | SineTheCreator | azathoth99: firefox is the exact opposite of 'lightweight' |
| 00:39.03 | SineTheCreator | truexfan81: he means a web GUI. cherokee has a web GUI. |
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| 00:39.16 | azathoth99 | http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/howto/bindings this is dirt easy with hiawatha |
| 00:39.19 | SineTheCreator | it's quite nice, actually |
| 00:39.27 | azathoth99 | cherokee is sick, complete gui in python for all configuration |
| 00:39.41 | SineTheCreator | eh, i still prefer apache. but i don't mind doing config editing by hand. |
| 00:39.58 | SineTheCreator | cherokee is great for those who just want to setup a working webserver very quickly |
| 00:39.59 | azathoth99 | firefox has nice download grabber plugin for grabing youtube vids |
| 00:40.03 | azathoth99 | love it |
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| 00:40.25 | azathoth99 | cherokee is quite awesome, and gui is nice, so it can be quicker |
| 00:40.30 | SineTheCreator | apache-mpm-worker is what you want if you want to run multiple php/etc sites |
| 00:40.32 | azathoth99 | for a lot of things |
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| 00:41.13 | azathoth99 | php with php-fpm is quite nice, and apaches best worker is event now |
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| 00:41.18 | SineTheCreator | cherokee is great for websites that are only html/css, or light PHP. |
| 00:41.22 | themill | SineTheCreator: actually you need apache2-mpm-prefork not -worker if you want php |
| 00:41.36 | SineTheCreator | themill: no, you don't. php-fcgi. |
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| 00:41.42 | azathoth99 | both wrong |
| 00:41.45 | SineTheCreator | -worker is faster than prefork |
| 00:41.50 | azathoth99 | php-fpm is new php trumps both |
| 00:42.06 | azathoth99 | so apaceh worker is irelevant except for static |
| 00:42.10 | SineTheCreator | azathoth99: fpm is quick but has some compatibility issues with certain webapps. |
| 00:42.11 | azathoth99 | where u wnat event |
| 00:42.12 | rjsalts | azathoth99: php-fpm is fastcgi |
| 00:42.17 | azathoth99 | esp compiled with nonportable atomics |
| 00:42.18 | azathoth99 | !! |
| 00:42.18 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:42.20 | azathoth99 | BAM |
| 00:42.23 | themill | SineTheCreator: please make sure you include that caveat then. Most people still want to use mod_php and you can't do that with worker. |
| 00:42.29 | azathoth99 | php-fpm is more than fastcgi |
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| 00:42.34 | azathoth99 | it has adaptive process spawning!! |
| 00:42.44 | SineTheCreator | themill: it's not a caveat, it's a plus. mod_php is slower in almost every usage scenario. |
| 00:42.52 | themill | SineTheCreator: then say that. |
| 00:42.52 | rjsalts | azathoth99: php-fpm is fastcgi with its own process manager |
| 00:42.56 | SineTheCreator | themill: i just did. |
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| 00:43.06 | themill | SineTheCreator: «[10:40] <SineTheCreator> apache-mpm-worker is what you want if you want to run multiple php/etc sites» is wrong. |
| 00:43.09 | SineTheCreator | rjsalts: exactly. |
| 00:43.13 | azathoth99 | aye |
| 00:43.18 | SineTheCreator | themill: nah, it's quite right actually :D |
| 00:43.24 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 00:43.36 | azathoth99 | PHP-FPM (FastCGI Process Manager) is an alternative PHP FastCGI implementation with some additional features useful for sites of any size, especially busier sites. |
| 00:43.37 | azathoth99 | BOOM |
| 00:43.52 | azathoth99 | http://php-fpm.org/ |
| 00:43.59 | azathoth99 | oh baby its good |
| 00:44.03 | SineTheCreator | themill: i do understand what you're saying, but you're kinda making a big deal out of nothing, thus my trolling :D |
| 00:44.09 | MonkeyAssExtreme | Ok, not sure what else I can try here... dmesg isn't telling me the info I need. I know the device is attached because lsusb shows it. This Dell Tablet i know doesn't require to change to usb storage mode on the tablet itself, instead it just shows up by plugging in when in windows for example, but not linux |
| 00:44.24 | azathoth99 | this aint windows |
| 00:44.27 | MonkeyAssExtreme | usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd - That's what I see in dmesg and that's it |
| 00:44.34 | azathoth99 | get ntfs-3g yet? |
| 00:44.38 | MonkeyAssExtreme | yes |
| 00:44.41 | azathoth99 | ok |
| 00:44.56 | azathoth99 | how about ntfs-3g /dev/ehci_hcd /mnt |
| 00:45.24 | azathoth99 | Adaptive process spawning (NEW!) |
| 00:45.50 | MonkeyAssExtreme | nope, No such file or directory for /dev/ehci_hcd |
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| 00:46.39 | MonkeyAssExtreme | This is like the only android device i've seen where I don't have to set it to usb storage mode or whatever to get it to show up if that's useful info |
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| 00:46.50 | MonkeyAssExtreme | normally i change from usb charge only to usb storage and then i can see android devices |
| 00:47.20 | MonkeyAssExtreme | lsusb says "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 413c:b10b Dell Computer Corp." |
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| 00:48.53 | Manolillo_ | Do you want to watch Online spanish Tv??? visit: www.refectori.com |
| 00:49.43 | ImaLamer | MonkeyAssExtreme: is the storage on this device NTFS? |
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| 00:51.55 | MonkeyAssExtreme | ImaLamer: I thought it was... perhaps it's not though? Anyway to easily check? Damn system info on the tablet itself doesn't say |
| 00:52.17 | ImaLamer | i highly doubt it's ntfs - is this an android tablet? |
| 00:52.24 | MonkeyAssExtreme | Yes, android tablet |
| 00:53.17 | ImaLamer | then i highly doubt it's NTFS, likely FAT32 or another FAT file system |
| 00:53.27 | SineTheCreator | exFAT? |
| 00:53.37 | ImaLamer | likely still FAT32 |
| 00:53.51 | SineTheCreator | in any case the vfat driver should be able to mount it fine |
| 00:54.02 | MonkeyAssExtreme | i was trying regular mount commands too but no luck... i don't know how to identify it as far as sdb1 or 2 or whatever. I know currently sdb1 is an external harddrive that i have mounted just fine but no idea about the tablet |
| 00:54.37 | ImaLamer | fdisk -l |
| 00:55.08 | MonkeyAssExtreme | bah, well i gotta jet anyways. Thanks for the help all! I appreciate it! Will continue later! |
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| 00:57.00 | themill | A lot of devices are doing MTP or PTP and not UMS these days |
| 00:58.33 | NaStYdoG | does anyone know why after some time I log on ubuntu my /home folder is set to read-only |
| 00:58.44 | NaStYdoG | I can't see or modify no files |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | NaStYdoG: that's what #ubuntu is for |
| 00:59.25 | NaStYdoG | right |
| 01:00.36 | NaStYdoG | but ubuntu is debian based so... |
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| 01:00.45 | themill | NaStYdoG: so you'd ask #ubuntu. |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | so, #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support, not #debian |
| 01:01.28 | NaStYdoG | well, let's assume I didn't say my distro name |
| 01:01.32 | NaStYdoG | got any solution? |
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| 01:01.51 | abrotman | NaStYdoG: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, this channel supports Debian, not every .deb-based distro out there |
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| 01:13.38 | reavengrey | ,v dropbox |
| 01:13.39 | judd | No package named 'dropbox' was found in i386. |
| 01:13.43 | reavengrey | gooby pls |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:14.02 | reavengrey | is there a dropbox package for deb? |
| 01:14.15 | reavengrey | oh I see |
| 01:14.16 | themill | I normally write it "git-annex". |
| 01:14.20 | reavengrey | ,v nautilus-dropbox |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:14.21 | judd | Package: nautilus-dropbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.6.7-3~bpo60+1; jessie/non-free: 1.4.0-3; sid/non-free: 1.4.0-3; wheezy/non-free: 1.4.0-3 |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | reavengrey: apt-cache search dropbox |
| 01:14.59 | reavengrey | already found nautilus-dropbox |
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| 01:33.06 | azathoth99 | www.prevayler.org zomg computings new age begins! |
| 01:33.49 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:19.56 | abrotman | !tell Th0masR0ss about meaning of stable |
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| 02:20.29 | daveee12_ | i have a windows 8 computer and want to set up a dualboot. i also have a live cd on a usb which i used to install debian on another computer. if i try to install with that stick, will it set up the dual boot for me? or help me do it? |
| 02:20.46 | Th0masR0ss | huh. |
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| 02:22.35 | DNS | 0_o |
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| 02:24.28 | lavamind | daveee12_, if you already have unused/non-partitioned space on your Windows 8 install, you may run the Debian installer right away |
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| 02:24.44 | daveee12_ | lavamind: awesome. thanks |
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| 02:24.54 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman: does the Xfce Iso cd come with 4.8? |
| 02:25.01 | lavamind | otherwise you might need to use a tool such as GParted to resize your Windows partition to make room for Debian |
| 02:25.03 | owen1 | I configured a raid 1 on hp microserver (http://www.tricksguide.com/setup-raid-with-amd-onboard-sata-controller-on-your-hp-microserver.html). 2 new HD and 1 old one with debian. how to verify that the 2 drives are actually working as one virtual drive? |
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| 02:25.27 | abrotman | Th0masR0ss: one would think, right? |
| 02:25.49 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman: yeah, just wondering based off of screenshots and I'm not on my computer right now |
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| 02:25.50 | mczcoder | lavamind i have the same problem od daveee12_ |
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| 02:26.27 | mczcoder | lavamind livecd will work for me? |
| 02:28.07 | lavamind | mczcoder, it depends if you have room on your disk for an extra partition for Debian, if it's a computer you bought with Windows already installed on it you probably need to fix that before installing Debian |
| 02:28.45 | jmcnaught | owen1: have you tried the mdadm command? mdadm --detail /dev/md0 (or whatever your device name is) |
| 02:28.49 | owen1 | here is df -h and mount outputs: http://pastebin.com/9ZCjbxJD |
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| 02:29.57 | owen1 | jmcnaught: thanks! i'll install mdadm |
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| 02:31.03 | jmcnaught | owen1: mdadm is for software RAID devices. if you've configured RAID a different way (like in the BIOS of your computer) it probably won't help |
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| 02:34.08 | mczcoder | lavamind i resized my hard disk reserving 100GB free space for debian, but when my notebook restarts, the debian dvd not worked |
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| 02:35.09 | mczcoder | mczcoder therefore, i ask you about livecd |
| 02:35.18 | mczcoder | asked* |
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| 02:37.03 | owen1 | jmcnaught: oh. yeah. i use the bios |
| 02:37.28 | owen1 | jmcnaught: is there a way to tell if my raid is 'working'? |
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| 02:38.30 | owen1 | also, the fact that i didn't need to install debian again means that the os itself is not on the raid, right? |
| 02:38.45 | owen1 | should i run the os on the raid? |
| 02:39.04 | jmcnaught | owen1: i'm not sure, but from your paste it looks like you have 2 filesystems that are both the same size |
| 02:39.31 | jmcnaught | owen1: i would recommend using software raid over the raid options in your BIOS. the debian installer can guide you through it |
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| 02:40.43 | owen1 | jmcnaught: sweet. i'll do that. do i need to go back to the bios and cancel the raid or just run the mdadm? |
| 02:42.05 | jmcnaught | owen1: not sure about your bios, but you probably need to set it back to normal |
| 02:42.50 | owen1 | jmcnaught: that's what i followed: http://www.tricksguide.com/setup-raid-with-amd-onboard-sata-controller-on-your-hp-microserver.html |
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| 02:44.18 | jmcnaught | owen1: yeah you should probably configure your BIOS back to normal, so it doesn't do any RAID stuff. Then configure software RAID during the debian installer (or if it's not for the root filesystem, look for a guide on how to do it via the command line) |
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| 02:45.04 | lavamind | mczcoder, which debian dvd did you try using ? |
| 02:45.24 | owen1 | jmcnaught: awesome! btw, it's raid 1 for 2 drives out of 4. should my debian be on the raid HDs? |
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| 02:45.55 | abrotman | uhohs |
| 02:45.58 | owen1 | i thought of doing that and using the 2 extra drives for non critical storage |
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| 02:48.23 | jmcnaught | owen1: that's up to you i guess. i think if you want the root filesystem on RAID you need to do a little extra work so the system can boot, but I'm not familiar with that (my computer has root on an SSD, everything on a RAID5) |
| 02:48.42 | jmcnaught | everything else that is |
| 02:48.46 | mczcoder | lavamind debian-7.1.0-ia64-DVD-1.iso |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | no |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | mczcoder: you really have itanium? |
| 02:49.33 | themill | mczcoder: I'll put money on you wanting the amd64 image not ia64 |
| 02:51.12 | owen1 | jmcnaught: oh man. i am clueless about the cons and pros of each approach. i can only have raid0 or 1 on this server and want to make sure my stuff is backed up. |
| 02:51.18 | lavamind | mczcoder, right, it probably didn't work because you downloaded the wrong iso |
| 02:51.27 | owen1 | so it seems like raid1 is better for me. |
| 02:52.00 | lavamind | mczcoder, if you have a recent Intel or AMD computer, download the "amd64" iso image |
| 02:52.05 | mczcoder | themill abrotman probably, i always error for my misreading.. bad english :( rsrs |
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| 02:52.28 | owen1 | correct me if i am wrong, but having the OS on the raid will shorten my downtime if 1 drive crashes. |
| 02:52.46 | jmcnaught | owen1: RAID1 gives you redundancy, RAID0 does not |
| 02:52.53 | owen1 | jmcnaught: right. |
| 02:53.08 | lavamind | owen1, if you rootfs is on raid1, you will have zero downtime unless all your disks fail |
| 02:53.59 | owen1 | lavamind: (i'll google for rootfs) are u assuming that my OS is on the raid? |
| 02:55.02 | mczcoder | lavamind thank you guy! |
| 02:55.45 | lavamind | owen1, yes, usually rootfs = operating system |
| 02:56.09 | lavamind | mczcoder, you're welcome |
| 02:56.55 | owen1 | lavamind: sweet. 0 downtime is nice. how complex it is to set up raid1 on rootfs compare to raid1 on non rootfs? |
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| 02:57.08 | owen1 | and is there a guide that can help me doing that? |
| 02:57.15 | lavamind | owen1, the debian installer will help you set up your system on raid1 |
| 02:57.42 | lavamind | however it's not compatible with the RAID functions of your BIOS, so you need to disable that first |
| 02:58.06 | owen1 | lavamind: right, booot, cancel the raid on my bios and login to the drive with debian on it. |
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| 02:58.20 | owen1 | and than boot again, but insert a debian usb? |
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| 02:59.40 | jmcnaught | owen1: if you're going to reinstall, you just need to go into the BIOS to disable the RAID stuff, then boot from a debian installation USB/CD |
| 02:59.55 | lavamind | owen1, what he says ^ |
| 03:00.32 | lavamind | owen1, as a side-note, with debian any computer with two hard disks can do raid ... |
| 03:00.38 | mczcoder | lavamind last question: in repository have 3 .iso's ( debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-***(1,2,3)***.iso.torrent ) whick one is the right? |
| 03:00.48 | mczcoder | which* |
| 03:00.51 | owen1 | ok. i'll prepare a netinst of debian 7. thanks guys |
| 03:01.09 | lavamind | mczcoder, you only need the first one |
| 03:01.21 | owen1 | jmcnaught: to go to the bios, i have to reboot, right? |
| 03:01.29 | jmcnaught | owen1: yeah |
| 03:01.32 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:01.58 | lavamind | owen1, have fun |
| 03:02.04 | owen1 | jmcnaught: lavamind thanks. i'll do that and comeback later from another machine. |
| 03:02.10 | mczcoder | lavamind thank u again, bro :) |
| 03:02.17 | jmcnaught | owen1: hope it works for you :) |
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| 03:12.56 | lavamind | hello, anyone familiar with Debian Live? I'd like to find out how to a) create an encrypted live boot media and/or b) use a persistence image over the network (and not on local media) |
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| 03:18.22 | prefixed | how do I allow a specific user to sudo su - up to root? |
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| 03:19.13 | somiaj | prefixed: since you want to give them full root access, why not just add them to the sudo group |
| 03:19.17 | future28 | Hi everyone. I purchased a usb wireless dongle as my internal pcie card is malfunctioning. Is there any way to stop it attempting to start up? It floods my kernel log |
| 03:19.20 | somiaj | prefixed: adduser username sudo |
| 03:19.25 | prefixed | I did |
| 03:19.31 | prefixed | but it still asks for password |
| 03:19.39 | themill | prefixed: also read man sudo more carefully... "sudo su -" is silly. |
| 03:19.43 | prefixed | ok |
| 03:19.54 | somiaj | prefixed: that is the default, do you want to set that user up for no password? |
| 03:20.02 | prefixed | yeah |
| 03:20.07 | themill | prefixed: did you log back in after adding yourself to the sudo group? |
| 03:20.11 | prefixed | I am going to set up ssh key auth too |
| 03:20.14 | somiaj | prefixed: if that is the case run 'visudo' and modify the suders file to set up NO PASS (look up syntax on google) |
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| 03:21.53 | prefixed | nice |
| 03:21.57 | prefixed | thanks |
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| 03:22.49 | future28 | Also, can I disable the gnome network manager? |
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| 03:23.27 | somiaj | future28: remove the package or 'update-rc.d network-manager disable' (I think I got the service name correct) |
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| 03:36.49 | prefixed | err |
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| 03:37.20 | prefixed | why wouldn't I be able to connect to my host with the SSH key I just generated on the host? (I transferred it to my local machine using scp) |
| 03:38.10 | prefixed | this is an aws machine btw |
| 03:38.20 | lavamind | prefixed, what file did you transfer exactly |
| 03:38.27 | prefixed | the private key |
| 03:39.05 | lavamind | usually, one places the public key in an authorized_keys file |
| 03:39.30 | lavamind | private keys aren't meant to be transferred from one host to another |
| 03:39.47 | prefixed | yes, I am aware |
| 03:40.09 | prefixed | but I had to generate a key for another user in this instance and I don't want to enable passworded logins |
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| 03:40.59 | lavamind | well if you use the authorized_keys scheme, there are no passwords involved |
| 03:41.15 | prefixed | oh |
| 03:41.22 | prefixed | so then they only need the public key? |
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| 03:44.07 | lavamind | the idea is to generate a private/public key pairs for each user you want to give access to |
| 03:44.14 | owen1 | so it loooks like debian is awesome |
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| 03:44.26 | owen1 | it let me choose raid0,1,5,6 or 10 |
| 03:44.35 | lavamind | and place the public key in authorized_keys on the remote system |
| 03:44.39 | owen1 | (no idea what 5,6 or 10 means, but i am excited) |
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| 03:44.58 | prefixed | ah |
| 03:44.59 | prefixed | there we go |
| 03:45.01 | prefixed | all set |
| 03:45.04 | prefixed | thanks |
| 03:45.18 | lavamind | owen1, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Comparison |
| 03:45.53 | owen1 | lavamind: thanks. btw, i want to make sure it recognize all 4 drives i have. can i 'go back' and see how many drives it can see? |
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| 03:46.50 | lavamind | owen1, you can make adjustments to the raid setup without going through the installer again |
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| 03:48.41 | lavamind | owen1, if you just want to check if Debian is recognizing all your disk drives, you can use a command such as 'lshw' |
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| 03:48.54 | owen1 | lavamind: oh. so let's say i set raid 1 on 2 HD, i can later poweroff my server, insert HD #3 and #4 (not part of the raid) and it will recognize them? |
| 03:49.20 | owen1 | lavamind: how to go to the shell? alt+ctrl+f2? |
| 03:49.58 | lavamind | owen1, yes you can, the raid1 acts like a "regular disk", not "all the disks" |
| 03:50.20 | lavamind | owen1, in other words, you can mix and match raid devices and regular disks |
| 03:50.48 | lavamind | owen1, you can even have multiple raid volumes (ie, two disks in raid1 and two in raid0) |
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| 03:51.09 | owen1 | lavamind: sweet. how do i run shell commands while in the installer? |
| 03:52.03 | lavamind | if your disks are connected and the installer is running, they should show up in the partitioning part |
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| 03:52.48 | owen1 | lavamind: ok. i see 3/4 |
| 03:52.57 | lavamind | otherwise I think you can switch terminals with ctrl-alt-fX and run commands while in the installer, but I don't know which is which |
| 03:53.28 | owen1 | lavamind: i'll have to shutdown and try insert different drive instead of #4, right? |
| 03:54.35 | lavamind | owen1, yeah, but I usually check in the BIOS to see if it detects the disks, if they do, they will almost certainly be recognized in Debian |
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| 03:55.25 | lavamind | if a disk doesn't show up in the BIOS, it's usually either dead or not connected properly |
| 03:56.38 | owen1 | lavamind: i don't think it shows up there as well. let me try reconnect it or replace it. |
| 03:57.01 | owen1 | btw, if the disk is corrupted, will the debian installer tell me about that? |
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| 03:58.19 | lavamind | owen1, depends what is corrupted... the filesystem can be corrupted but the disk can be just fine |
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| 03:59.47 | lavamind | if you're worried that a disk may be developping bas sectors (ie, "going bad"), you can use a utility such as "badblocks" to scan the physical disk surface and test for errors (I usually do that when re-using old disks) |
| 04:01.28 | lavamind | another tool, bit more complicated, is "smartmontools", which can report on your disk's health status using SMART (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.) |
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| 04:03.18 | owen1 | lavamind: great tips |
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| 04:04.05 | lavamind | I think the Debian installer will only complain if some error occurs during the installation process, such as disk write errors, but it won't scan for bad sectors or warn if your disk's SMART reports that it's failing |
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| 04:05.10 | lavamind | owen1, no problem, got to go though, I hope your installation succeeds |
| 04:07.18 | lavamind | owen1, final tip, when I need to troubleshoot a computer or hard drive, I usually use SystemRescueCD, which is based on Gentoo, it has all the nifty little tools which might not be available on the Debian installer or LiveCD |
| 04:08.20 | lavamind | of course, if you already have a functional Debian installation, you can just apt-get them .... |
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| 04:11.31 | owen1 | lavamind: sweet. come back soon (: |
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| 04:29.43 | owen1 | what does 'number of active devices for the RAID1 array' means? |
| 04:29.58 | owen1 | i want 2 drives to be in the raid. should i enter 2? |
| 04:30.21 | owen1 | the next question is 'number of spare devices for the raid1 array'. not sure about that either. |
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| 04:32.37 | jmcnaught | owen1: hey. if you want 2 drives in the array, then enter 2. the question about spares is for if you have a spare drive inside the computer. in case one of the active drives fails, it will automatically be replaced with the spare |
| 04:34.05 | owen1 | jmcnaught: i have 2 spares, but i will use them as extra storage, i don't think i care about replacing the faulty one. |
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| 04:34.43 | owen1 | if a drive fails, i should buy identical drive, poweroff the server and replace the faulty one? |
| 04:34.58 | owen1 | someone mentioned i can do it while the machine is running, but i am not sure. |
| 04:35.21 | jmcnaught | i think it would depend on your hardware whether you can hot swap |
| 04:35.52 | owen1 | ok. now it ask me to chose active devices. i already see two devices with the word raid in them. |
| 04:36.00 | owen1 | maybe debian is smart to guess? |
| 04:36.12 | owen1 | /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1 |
| 04:36.19 | owen1 | both are identical |
| 04:36.29 | owen1 | i guess i'll check both |
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| 04:37.41 | owen1 | now i am in the 'preview' page |
| 04:37.53 | owen1 | i seed RAID1 device #0 and device #1 |
| 04:38.02 | owen1 | both 245 GB |
| 04:38.30 | jmcnaught | how big are the drives you're using? |
| 04:38.38 | owen1 | and below it i see the 4 drives. |
| 04:38.56 | owen1 | it's a bit confusing since it list the 2 drives that are the RAID1 twice |
| 04:39.10 | owen1 | each of my 4 drives are 250 GB. |
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| 04:39.30 | owen1 | my raid drives are also identical (from the same manufacturer - WD) |
| 04:40.08 | owen1 | unless u'r say anything in the next 10 secs, i'll hit finish |
| 04:40.15 | jmcnaught | it sounds to me like you might have two RAID1 arrays, each using 2 of the 4 drives |
| 04:40.22 | jmcnaught | sorry i was eating a sandwich :) |
| 04:40.22 | owen1 | o shit |
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| 04:40.50 | owen1 | but i only see RAID1 once in that screen |
| 04:40.55 | jmcnaught | but i'm not sure because i can't see exactly what you're seeing, and i don't really remember that part of the debian installer very well |
| 04:41.25 | owen1 | it looks like it list the drives after it tells me about the raid |
| 04:41.55 | owen1 | device #0 - 245 GB, #1 - 245 GB, 512 B - unusable |
| 04:43.08 | jmcnaught | well if you don't mind waiting a few minutes, i'm starting up a VM with a couple of disks so I can see that part of the installer and hopefully be able to give you better answers |
| 04:43.21 | owen1 | and than SCSI3 (sda)- 250 GB, SCSI4 (sdb) - 250 GB, SCSI5 (sdc)- 250 GB, SCSI6 (sdd) - 250 GB |
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| 04:43.30 | owen1 | jmcnaught: sure |
| 04:44.18 | owen1 | i remember checking sdc1 and sdd1 from the previous list though. |
| 04:44.43 | owen1 | i am confused. i'll wait for you. thanks |
| 04:45.28 | jmcnaught | i think you're right. i think it shows the RAID array (probably /dev/md0) and also lists the physical drives that were used to build it |
| 04:47.32 | jmcnaught | almost there |
| 04:48.32 | owen1 | jmcnaught: laundry time. i'll wait while during laundry (: |
| 04:50.09 | jmcnaught | owen1: i just did what you did, and it looks like what you described so i think you're good to go |
| 04:50.57 | jmcnaught | did you figure out if you had to do anything special for it to be able to use root on the RAID? |
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| 04:58.24 | owen1 | jmcnaught: didn't think about it at all.. |
| 04:58.27 | owen1 | jmcnaught: should i? |
| 04:58.33 | reavengrey | ya |
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| 04:58.48 | owen1 | i just follwed the 'raid' options on the installer |
| 04:59.22 | owen1 | should i 'finish' partitioning and write changes to disk' before thinking about use root on the RAID? |
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| 05:01.15 | owen1 | 'No root file system is defined' |
| 05:01.18 | owen1 | aahah nice |
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| 05:01.34 | jmcnaught | well i don't know for sure if GRUB can handle /boot being on a RAID device. you might need to use a separate partition for /boot |
| 05:02.00 | owen1 | jmcnaught: what is my next action? |
| 05:02.11 | owen1 | i went back to the 'review' page. |
| 05:02.37 | owen1 | am i suppose to pick root file system somehow? |
| 05:03.04 | owen1 | http://youtu.be/19mqWyGidVY |
| 05:03.16 | owen1 | watching this video. not sure if it's super relevant ): |
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| 05:03.50 | jmcnaught | heh, is there any speaking or is my sound broken? |
| 05:04.14 | jmcnaught | this might be easier to follow, but it's a little old: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 05:04.20 | owen1 | no sound |
| 05:04.36 | jmcnaught | also this article: http://www.iprobot.net/linux-tutorial/how-to-setup-software-raid-in-debian-ubuntu/ |
| 05:05.18 | jmcnaught | note that they both leave a little room on each drive for a separate partition for /boot |
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| 05:05.54 | owen1 | i have no idea what to do now. |
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| 05:06.22 | owen1 | how to pick a root file system? |
| 05:06.43 | owen1 | wait. i can click on the lines |
| 05:06.55 | owen1 | clicking on #0 does nothing |
| 05:07.25 | owen1 | clicking on #1 tells me: |
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| 05:07.52 | jmcnaught | click on the /dev/md0, and use it as an ext4 fs, then set the mount point to / |
| 05:07.53 | owen1 | 'you are editing partition #1 of raid1 device #0. no existing file systems was detected' |
| 05:08.11 | owen1 | and it let me chose FS |
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| 05:09.23 | owen1 | jmcnaught: where is /dev/md0 ? |
| 05:09.44 | jmcnaught | that second link (on iprobot.net) is actually a pretty solid overview of how to do this. i would consider reading through it before continuing, especially if you're confused |
| 05:09.54 | owen1 | ok |
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| 05:11.35 | jmcnaught | i remember i had to redo my raid set up a few times when i first set it up. it's quite a bit to wrap your head around |
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| 05:12.19 | jmcnaught | i would also suggest that you read a primer on LVM, or logical volume manager before you finish the install |
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| 05:12.43 | owen1 | oh man. this is going to be tought |
| 05:12.58 | owen1 | do i need to use LVM? |
| 05:13.27 | owen1 | never used it, so i want to know if that's a requirement. |
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| 05:13.48 | owen1 | just didn't want to spend the entire weekend doing this ): |
| 05:14.25 | owen1 | can i just use my extra 3 drives as backups instead? not sure if it's worth my time. |
| 05:14.30 | owen1 | (setting up raid) |
| 05:15.04 | jmcnaught | i understand the feeling. i don't think it's necessary if you're just going to use the entire RAID1 as your rootfs |
| 05:15.23 | Lns_ | owen1, setting up LVM is pretty seamless via debian installer. It's a good idea but it all depends on the goal of the machine |
| 05:15.29 | jmcnaught | LVM isn't that complicated though, it's an alternative to dividing disks up into partitions |
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| 05:16.30 | owen1 | this is a server for my website. i thought it will be nice to have an identical backup that i'll be able to run if the drive dies. |
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| 05:16.51 | jmcnaught | owen1: the tutorial link on the debian wiki above has screenshots that guide through the RAID+LVM setup |
| 05:17.20 | Lns_ | i need to brush up on my lvm |
| 05:17.24 | owen1 | jmcnaught: and it's short |
| 05:18.00 | owen1 | jmcnaught: before i read that. i want to make sure i use raid1 for the correct reason - |
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| 05:18.10 | rryoumaa | something about lvm just pushed me just slightly past my "too many layers of indirection" limit |
| 05:18.36 | owen1 | i want to be able to quickly (minutes) bring my server up in case of hd failure. |
| 05:18.38 | jmcnaught | owen1: it's a good reason to use raid |
| 05:19.07 | Lns_ | owen1, yeah.. ^^ if you want to *keep* your server up in the event of a drive failure then use raid |
| 05:19.09 | owen1 | right now i have 4 drives. 2 will be used for RAID1 and 2 for extra space. |
| 05:19.15 | owen1 | ok |
| 05:19.44 | owen1 | i'll follow 'Root on RAID+LVM example' |
| 05:20.00 | rryoumaa | even if he doesn't need to keep it up raid might be the best way to mirror in more or less real time |
| 05:20.07 | Lns_ | you could do a raid 0+1 with two pairs of drives |
| 05:20.12 | Lns_ | that would be sweeeet |
| 05:20.22 | owen1 | can u elaborate? |
| 05:20.23 | germs | ^ that's the way to store data |
| 05:20.25 | jmcnaught | setting up LVM now would let you add a second RAID1 array to the LVM volume group, and then double the size of the filesystems |
| 05:20.29 | owen1 | Lns_: ^ |
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| 05:21.26 | Lns_ | well you'd have to have all 4 drives be the exact same size for that to be *really* cool |
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| 05:22.03 | owen1 | Lns_: there are 250 GB each |
| 05:22.08 | owen1 | they |
| 05:22.52 | owen1 | but only 2 are identical (manufacturer) |
| 05:23.18 | Lns_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels#RAID_0.2B1 |
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| 05:26.15 | owen1 | Lns_: i don't understand this. unless u have a nice guide (like the step by step for 'root on raid+LVM') i think i'll pass. |
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| 05:26.40 | owen1 | also i don't understand the high level - what is the benefit of 0+1 over just raid1? |
| 05:27.11 | jmcnaught | you get the best of both worlds instead of having to choose 0 or 1 |
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| 05:29.09 | owen1 | 0 is for speed and 1 is for redundency, right? |
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| 05:29.20 | germs | yes |
| 05:29.36 | germs | raid-0 is striped, raid-1 is mirrored |
| 05:29.48 | owen1 | why striped makes it fast? |
| 05:29.55 | owen1 | read and write? |
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| 05:30.21 | owen1 | both read and write are faster? if so, how much faster? |
| 05:30.25 | germs | You're spreading your reads and writes across two disks |
| 05:30.35 | germs | each having their own bandwidth (for the most part, depending on setup) |
| 05:31.00 | germs | not a whole lot. If your data is worth saving to a disk it is probably worth raid-1, unless you're excellent with your backups |
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| 05:31.26 | germs | disks fail. Don't rely on them, and raid-0 is even more dangerous, as either disk can fail and you have no data |
| 05:31.39 | jmcnaught | of course RAID1 is not a reason to not do backups. always do backups |
| 05:31.43 | germs | "Raid 0 is easy to remember. If you have any disk fail, you have 0 data." |
| 05:31.56 | owen1 | nice |
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| 05:32.40 | themill | http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 05:32.45 | owen1 | ok. i'll follow the raid1 guide. don't go anywhere friends (: |
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| 05:33.04 | owen1 | themill: hahhah |
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| 05:50.58 | alphazulu | hi i see in auth.log someone trying to ssh on many ports. fail2ban is apparently not picking it up. any suggestions for another tool to ban such a host? |
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| 05:53.33 | themill | alphazulu: do you have sshd listening on different ports? |
| 05:54.09 | alphazulu | themill: no just standard. but i definitely want to ban someone attempting to break in on all sorts of high-number ports |
| 05:54.38 | germs | alphazulu: google "iptables hashlimit" |
| 05:54.41 | themill | how are these connections to non-standard ports being reported then? What is reporting them? |
| 05:54.49 | owen1 | i am following 'Root on RAID+LVM example' and not about the first step: Create partitions for RAID: |
| 05:55.00 | alphazulu | themill: in auth.log i see failed ssh attempts |
| 05:55.05 | themill | alphazulu: sshd would only report connection attempts on ports that is is actually listening on. |
| 05:55.22 | germs | correct, he's being touchy about being bruteforced |
| 05:55.33 | alphazulu | themill: i see many like this: Failed password for root from 114.247.134.7 port 60268 ssh2 |
| 05:55.44 | alphazulu | themill: for all sorts of ports |
| 05:55.46 | themill | alphazulu: ahh... that's their remote port, not yours. |
| 05:56.03 | owen1 | its say "Choose manual partitioning, then on each disk, manually create a partition" |
| 05:56.15 | alphazulu | themill: but wondering why fail2ban is not kicking in |
| 05:56.41 | themill | alphazulu: you can ignore that port part; fail2ban should be handling that already. Is it the same IP repeating multiple times within a few minutes? |
| 05:56.43 | owen1 | i chose the first mount point - sda. it ask me to create new partition. i hit yes. |
| 05:56.48 | alphazulu | themill: actually i think i see why based on timestamps. they are spacing out the attempts |
| 05:57.05 | themill | alphazulu: yeah, I've been seeing that a lot too in the last few weeks |
| 05:57.11 | owen1 | than it brings me back to the previous screen. but now i see pri/log 250 GB FREE SPACE. |
| 05:57.14 | owen1 | is that normal? |
| 05:57.30 | alphazulu | themill: yes they are staggering the attempts over big time intervals which exceed the fail2ban lockout time |
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| 05:57.56 | themill | alphazulu: if you can disable password logins and/or restrict the permitted users with something like "AllowGroups" in sshd_config then you don't really have much to worry about. |
| 05:58.00 | owen1 | now if i clkck on the free space it ask me how i want to use it: create new partiton or automatically partition the free space. |
| 05:58.13 | owen1 | which option to chose? the second one? |
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| 05:58.21 | alphazulu | themill: anyhow i just manually added some iptables DROP rules but my little custom script has an issue. it sources a config file with IP addresses but each time I rerun it to add new entries it creates dupes for the existing ones. |
| 05:58.48 | alphazulu | themill: actually i can just disable passwords. that makes the most sense |
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| 06:09.10 | azathoth99 | nixos! |
| 06:09.12 | azathoth99 | netbsd! |
| 06:09.15 | azathoth99 | illumian! |
| 06:09.19 | azathoth99 | archlinux! |
| 06:11.33 | alphazulu | anyhow i think ssh is misconfigured in CM. it should be set so that the home is /data/ssh so that the config file is sourced there |
| 06:12.10 | germs | CM? |
| 06:12.19 | germs | usually it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:13.18 | germs | if you're going to be moving config files it might be a good idea to use ln and keep your orig directories so you're not breaking your /etc/init.d/ scripts |
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| 06:14.49 | azathoth99 | lisp!! common! |
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| 06:23.25 | owen1 | it's configuring apt. i hope i didn't messed up anything |
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| 06:23.41 | owen1 | i still didn't pick llvm related stuff |
| 06:23.51 | owen1 | or raid! |
| 06:23.53 | owen1 | omg |
| 06:23.58 | owen1 | maybe i forgot to pick raid! |
| 06:24.10 | owen1 | canceling |
| 06:24.17 | Talon_ | I have wheezy 64 bit, and I just recently updated all my packages, but now that I did that, firing up virtualbox to use my win7 guest totally locks my PC, it didn't before... Anybody else having a similar issue? |
| 06:24.33 | somiaj | what packages got upgraded? |
| 06:24.47 | somiaj | maybe you need to recomplie the virtuialbox kernel module against the kernel. |
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| 06:25.04 | Talon_ | how would I go about doing that? |
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| 06:27.26 | somiaj | you have virtuialbox dkms kernel module installed? |
| 06:27.31 | somiaj | well dkms package |
| 06:27.53 | Talon_ | im sure i do, what just mark it for re-installation in synaptic? |
| 06:28.06 | somiaj | resintall it or dpkg-reconfigure it might work too |
| 06:29.10 | Talon_ | alright, I'll give it a shot. I'm on my windoze side now cause I needed to use some software wine wont run lol (hence the need for vbox) |
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| 06:39.31 | mar77i | hi, I accidently the smb.conf. now I'd like get the deb's default file, how would I go about with apt/dpkg? |
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| 06:41.42 | bullgard4 | 'man telnet': "Entering the escape character while connected causes telnet to drop to command mode." - What are the alternative telnet operating modes to »command mode«? |
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| 06:42.12 | civillian | mar77i: you mean you deleted the file? |
| 06:42.23 | mar77i | well, I modified it. |
| 06:42.35 | civillian | mar77i: and you backed it up first of course? |
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| 06:42.42 | mar77i | no |
| 06:42.59 | civillian | right |
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| 06:43.08 | mar77i | I trust the package manager to be capable of that |
| 06:43.14 | mar77i | somehow the default file got there |
| 06:43.17 | civillian | well i hope it was a vanilla file |
| 06:43.21 | mar77i | yes |
| 06:43.25 | CruX|_ | hello can any1 here recommend good php/ajax bookmark manager ? |
| 06:43.31 | mar77i | I'm looking for the vanilla file |
| 06:43.54 | civillian | check /var/cache/apt/archives for the downloaded .deb file |
| 06:44.04 | mar77i | I just installed the package... hmm |
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| 06:44.36 | civillian | via apt-get install? |
| 06:45.23 | mar77i | yes? |
| 06:45.49 | civillian | that will download the package to /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 06:46.15 | mar77i | hmm |
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| 06:47.10 | civillian | you can use dpkg -x to extract the files to a temporary location |
| 06:47.28 | civillian | alternatively you can check /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/smb.conf.default.gz |
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| 06:52.06 | JasonWoof | hi all, new to bind, trying to set it up to be authoritative for 20-ish domains |
| 06:52.22 | JasonWoof | rndc says: "rndc: 'addzone' failed: permission denied" |
| 06:52.53 | civillian | mar77i: you're welcome |
| 06:52.59 | JasonWoof | looking at /usr/share/doc/bind9/doc/README.Debian.gz, it looks like rndc is supposed to be set up with a key. /etc/bind/rndc.key exists |
| 06:53.22 | JasonWoof | I tried passing ``-k /etc/bind/rndc.key``, but got the same error message |
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| 06:54.16 | JasonWoof | I made a zone file to test with, put it in the file /etc/bin/domains/example.com, and ran: rndc addzone example.com '{ type master; file "/etc/bind/domains/example.com"; };' |
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| 06:54.58 | JasonWoof | that's what gave me this error message: rndc: 'addzone' failed: permission denied |
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| 06:55.05 | civillian | JasonWoof: any reason you're not just editing the named.conf.local file to declare each zone? |
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| 06:55.58 | JasonWoof | civillian: no, is that better? |
| 06:56.00 | rjsalts | JasonWoof: You have allow-new-zones yes; in your options { ... }; block? |
| 06:56.10 | JasonWoof | rjsalts: ahh, that might be it |
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| 06:57.13 | JasonWoof | civillian: can I change things (add a new zone, change TTL, change mx/a records, etc) without restarting the dns daemon if I put everything in named.conf.local? |
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| 06:58.03 | JasonWoof | rjsalts: that does seem to be the problem. Thank you! |
| 06:58.17 | civillian | use rndc reload or /etc/init.d/bind9 reload |
| 06:58.37 | JasonWoof | civillian: this won't drop any well-timed dns queries? |
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| 07:00.48 | JasonWoof | I typically don't change dns records much, but I will be a lot over the next 10 days as I move most of my hosted websites/etc. |
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| 07:06.45 | rjsalts | JasonWoof: rndc addzone/delzone isn't much different than changing the config file and doing rndc reload. It is a little bit more helpful if you're automating your setup with scripts though |
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| 07:07.46 | rjsalts | JasonWoof: since you don't have to worry about parsing the whole config file and inserting bits and pieces or generating the whole file whenever you mess with one domain |
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| 07:09.35 | rjsalts | JasonWoof: but if you're using static zone files and updating records inside the zone I think you still need an rndc reload example.org to get it to reread stuff and start responding to the new record |
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| 07:12.45 | owen1 | guys, since hpodder is no longer available on debian. any suggestion for console-based podcatcher? |
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| 07:13.31 | xmj | Hi, I'm having an issue with the bug referred to in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654861 . |
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| 07:13.44 | xmj | ... Is there any risk in flat out deleting /var/tmp/sort* ? |
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| 07:15.42 | JasonWoof | rjsalts: thank you so much! I really want to get this set up tonight, and was stuck for too long. |
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| 07:24.51 | mikodo | ADMIN: #debian :http://www.debian.org has the : in the wrong spot and clicking on the link, will not direct to debian.org |
| 07:25.44 | reavengrey | !!! |
| 07:25.45 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 07:26.46 | mikodo | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 07:27.28 | themill | mikodo: some context would be useful. |
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| 07:28.27 | mikodo | themill, in the intro, it has as I outlined and will not direct as such |
| 07:28.42 | themill | what intro? |
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| 07:29.13 | mikodo | themill, When you log in the channel |
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| 07:29.22 | mikodo | The topic |
| 07:29.43 | themill | The channel topic doesn't have http://www.debian.org in it anywhere. |
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| 07:30.35 | mikodo | Well then, I don't why I see just below it. Was it not set there for following the link to debian.org |
| 07:31.09 | themill | We have a chanserv URL that is correctly set; your client might display it badly. If that's the case, you should report a bug against your client. |
| 07:31.26 | themill | ("reportbug xchat") |
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| 07:32.21 | xmj | 10:32:11 -!- Home page for #debian: http://www.debian.org |
| 07:32.24 | xmj | Works for me. |
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| 07:32.50 | mikodo | It doesn't read that way for me, that's all |
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| 07:33.09 | themill | mikodo: as I said, that's entirely up to your irc client. |
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| 07:33.34 | mikodo | themill, thanks. |
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| 07:39.02 | mikodo | themill, I'm tired, but I will look into filling a bug with Xchat later. Thanks. |
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| 07:59.02 | _christoph_ | hi |
| 07:59.24 | _christoph_ | how can I retrieve the release info from a remote repository url? |
| 07:59.58 | _christoph_ | (description, origin, label, version, ...) |
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| 08:00.25 | Perdu | Like aptitude show? |
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| 08:04.59 | themill | _christoph_: "apt-cache policy" is probably the easiest way, especially if you're looking to use it for pinning. Otherwise, wget the Release or InRelease file. |
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| 08:08.20 | _christoph_ | themill: where can i find this InRelease file ? |
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| 08:09.08 | themill | _christoph_: in the repo |
| 08:09.11 | _christoph_ | themill: found it, it's remote :) |
| 08:09.16 | l0p3n | Hey does anyone know if its possible to setup exim4 to send mail to nodes on the same subnet? |
| 08:09.26 | _christoph_ | themill: ^^, thx |
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| 08:52.51 | killermoehre | hi. since a few days apt says it want to update tomcat 6.0.35-1+squeeze2 to squeeze4, but I don't find any informations about this update. packages.debian.org still lists squeeze2 and there is no changelog available, too. any informations about this? |
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| 08:59.04 | Rikairchy | are you on any other repos aside from the official ones, killermoehre |
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| 08:59.54 | killermoehre | Rikairchy: no |
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| 09:01.23 | babilen | killermoehre: Unfortunately Tony failed to push that version to the repository yet, but it *doess* have a changelog entry. Are you sure that it is installed already? I ask because you should have a perfectly fine changelog entry in /usr/share/doc/tomcat6/changelog.Debian* |
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| 09:02.15 | babilen | killermoehre: If you want to read the changelog *before* the update you can take a peek at the source package with "dget http://security.debian.org//pool/updates/main/t/tomcat6/tomcat6_6.0.35-1+squeeze4.dsc" (see debian/changelog) or (haven't tried this) run "aptitude changelog tomcat6" |
| 09:02.43 | killermoehre | babilen: aptitude changelog tomcat6 gives me a 404 not found |
| 09:02.52 | babilen | killermoehre: Given that this upgrade fixes several CVEs and comes from security you shouldn't wait any longer than you already have and install it. |
| 09:03.20 | babilen | killermoehre: dget works, I just tested it |
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| 09:07.49 | killermoehre | babilen: dget is included where? |
| 09:08.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell killermoehre -about apt-file |
| 09:08.31 | babilen | killermoehre: Find out yourself and run 'apt-file search -x "bin/dget$"' (it is devscripts) |
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| 09:09.35 | killermoehre | babilen: I know apt-file, but I don't want to install it, because of the trimmed-down nature of the system |
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| 09:11.19 | babilen | sure, fair enough |
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| 09:11.39 | babilen | killermoehre: If this is a lot of work for you I could just paste the changelog - I simply opted for showing you how to do this yourself. |
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| 09:12.19 | babilen | killermoehre: Ah, one piece of information is missing though -- I got the link to the .dsc from http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tomcat6.html |
| 09:12.29 | killermoehre | babilen: pasting the changelog would be enough for me. please query me for that |
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| 09:14.29 | babilen | killermoehre: https://paste.debian.net/18207/ |
| 09:15.05 | killermoehre | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 09:16.36 | babilen | killermoehre: You are welcome -- you can check the status of these CVEs against http://security-tracker.debian.org/ and run debsecan to list known CVEs that affect your system |
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| 09:27.11 | Talon_[A] | Okay I figured out what was going on with my vbox. |
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| 09:29.48 | Talon_[A] | Win7 shows me the full 8 |
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| 09:38.35 | Kingsy | is it possible to install this --> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/mped <-- its not in the current repos |
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| 09:42.10 | Perdu | Kingsy: It's in unstable, so switch to unstable or use a backport |
| 09:43.01 | Kingsy | Perdu: could you elaborate a little, what do you mean by switch to unstable? what is a backport and how do I use it? which is the safest option? is this recommended? |
| 09:44.08 | Perdu | Kingsy: Safest is to stay on stable if you don't know what you're doing |
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| 09:44.29 | Perdu | For backports, see http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 09:45.30 | holger | hi, i want to create a .deb package for qtchooser from http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qtchooser.git;a=summary in wheezy. |
| 09:46.10 | holger | i downloaded the git repo, but i do not know how to get it to build. what would be the right channel to ask for help with it ? |
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| 09:48.46 | [E]sc | i'm using wheezy, and i found out some of my multimedia files are being broadcasted on my network. is there a way to change that? i tried turning it off via samba, but it still shows up on the windows network. |
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| 09:49.09 | Kingsy | Perdu: ah, that looks straight forward, and that package I mentioned is available on backport? |
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| 09:51.40 | Perdu | Kingsy: I don't find one :( |
| 09:51.59 | Perdu | Sorry, got to go |
| 09:52.04 | Perdu | Good luck |
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| 09:53.51 | Kingsy | oh well that was totally pointless. hahah |
| 09:54.07 | Kingsy | it didnt find the package anyways.. heh |
| 09:55.51 | babilen | Kingsy: Please don't mix stable with anything but backports and in particular not testing/unstable (or third-party repos fwiw) |
| 09:56.08 | babilen | judd: v mped |
| 09:56.09 | judd | No package named 'mped' was found in i386. |
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| 10:37.33 | lamedude | hello. could anyone explain to me why fuser -uvm /dir and lsof /dir (lsof -- /dir) show different results? |
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| 10:43.05 | Twinkletoes | I've installed rssh, edited the conf file to allow scp, changed the users shell to /usr/bin/rssh but when I try to login as that user I get a message "user <username> attempted to log in with a shell". Have I missed something? |
| 10:43.18 | Twinkletoes | Oh yeah... I'm trying to login using scp |
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| 10:47.00 | schlitzer|work | hey all |
| 10:47.25 | schlitzer|work | i need a private debian repository & there are plenty of tools out there |
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| 10:47.38 | schlitzer|work | what is the preferred one? |
| 10:48.10 | schlitzer|work | is there something that compares nicely with "createrepo" from rpm based systems? |
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| 10:51.22 | imdea | Hi, I'm getting this error in slapd while trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy: http://paste.debian.net/18221/ any ideas? |
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| 10:55.24 | jha_ | n00b question: i am using the sueeze reps... i want to install one package that is only in the unstable reps. can i just add those repos to my sources or will that screw things up? |
| 10:56.58 | babilen | jha_: That would almost certainly break your system, yes. The sensible thing to do is to backport that package from unstable to squeeze, but that might not be possible/that easy. Any particular reason you are still using squeeze and not wheezy (current stable) and which package is this? |
| 10:57.25 | jha_ | its the tt-rss package |
| 10:57.51 | jha_ | i am using squeeze cause it was pre installed on my vserver |
| 10:58.04 | jha_ | no particular reason |
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| 10:58.57 | mikejw | is it possible to kill a child and parent process using start-stop-daemon? |
| 10:59.29 | mikejw | I think my pid file is only retaining the process of the child id |
| 10:59.38 | mikejw | *the id of the child process |
| 10:59.42 | babilen | judd: checkbackport tt-rss --torelease=squeeze |
| 10:59.43 | judd | Backporting package tt-rss in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libjs-prototype (= 1.7.1-3). |
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| 11:01.58 | jha_ | babilen: should i just change my sources to wheezy, run apt-upgrade and pray? |
| 11:03.38 | babilen | jha_: That might not be possible (depends on your vhost) -- What kind of virtualisation is it? |
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| 11:04.13 | babilen | judd: checkbackport libjs-prototype --torelease=squeeze |
| 11:04.14 | judd | Backporting package libjs-prototype in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 11:04.26 | jha_ | think it runs in a virtuozo environment, i dont use plesk or anything, just ssh |
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| 11:05.25 | jha_ | babilen: the thing came with a very minimla debian, i installed most of the stuff by hand afterwards |
| 11:05.27 | DimmuR | Hello everyone i'm trying to install memcached on wheezy and i'm getting messages: http://wklej.org/id/1093390/ (semi-translated) - and on http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6-amd64 i see that this package is available with 2.13-38 version :> |
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| 11:06.44 | babilen | jha_: Not familiar with virtuozo and can't tell you if it is possible to upgrade the kernel (which happens during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade) -- I would contact your hoster about that. |
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| 11:07.38 | babilen | jha_: That being said: It *looks* as if you could backport tt-rss by following "/msg dpkg ssb". You have to backport (and install) libjs-prototype before you can build tt-rss though. |
| 11:07.45 | babilen | judd: v tt-rss |
| 11:07.46 | judd | Package: tt-rss on i386 -- jessie: 1.8+dfsg-4; sid: 1.8+dfsg-4 |
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| 11:09.25 | jha_ | babilen: thanks a lot |
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| 11:10.33 | enleth | Hi. I'm trying to find a standalone tray applet for xrandr configuration in wheezy and it appears that both grandr and gnome-randr-applet are missing - what gives? |
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| 11:11.43 | babilen | judd: bug rm grandr |
| 11:11.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/646275 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: grandr -- ROM; dead upstream, better alternatives»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-10-22; last modified: 2011-11-21. |
| 11:11.48 | babilen | enleth: ^^^^ |
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| 11:15.24 | enleth | babilen: huh, OK. But are there any alternatives other than installing full KDE or Gnome desktops? |
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| 11:16.22 | enleth | lxrandr is a standalone app with no tray support, and whatever Gnome uses right now seems to not be available as a separate package |
| 11:16.34 | babilen | enleth: I just use xrandr on the command line directly or arandr if I *really* need a GUI (which I never do) - never had a need for an applet, so ... |
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| 11:21.16 | jjanvier | hi there |
| 11:21.38 | jjanvier | when starting apache I got this error "starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80" |
| 11:21.59 | jjanvier | netstat -lnp | grep :80 returns nothing |
| 11:22.02 | jjanvier | any idea ? |
| 11:22.19 | germs | lsof? |
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| 11:24.09 | jjanvier | what should I check with lsof ? |
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| 11:25.30 | georgij | Hi, is it a good practice to put more than one PTR Record (aka reverse DNS) onto your IP Address? I have several virtualservers running on apache (Websites) and each website has its own mailaddress. |
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| 11:26.12 | daemonkeeper | georgij: It's no practice because it does not work. |
| 11:26.16 | georgij | the problem is the keep getting labeled as spam, and I have to set an PTR Record. But can I only have one when I have multiple DNS? |
| 11:26.50 | daemonkeeper | Set a proper mailname, make sure it resolves back to your address. |
| 11:27.38 | ealdeguer | Hello all ! after a migration from squeeze to wheezy, I can't mount my usb external CDrom player |
| 11:28.08 | ealdeguer | I've tried dmesg and the CD player is listed, but impossible to mount it with the mount |
| 11:28.37 | georgij | daemonkeeper: So I can only have one @address.com for each IP address? |
| 11:28.53 | daemonkeeper | No. |
| 11:29.18 | daemonkeeper | But your mailname which is completely unrelated to your address must match. |
| 11:29.41 | daemonkeeper | And address.com might/should/can have SPF records. |
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| 11:33.13 | georgij | daemonkeeper: Thanks helps a lot |
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| 11:46.47 | antihero | how would I version bump nginx in sid to 1.4.2 |
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| 11:54.48 | babilen | antihero: Package that version yourself! Check the nginx VCS and read the New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/) about package upgrades (e.g. uupdate, but that might not be enough) |
| 11:55.09 | babilen | antihero: Do you *really* need that version? I mean you shouldn't be tracking unstable on a production system anyway - but if you need it you'll have to work on it yourself. |
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| 11:58.03 | babilen | antihero: That version has been released a week ago and the changes are pretty minimal (cf. http://nginx.org/en/CHANGES ) -- Is it really important? |
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| 12:02.27 | ernetas | Hey guys. I'm experiencing a kernel soft lockup on several machines, different kernel versions. Logs are: http://pastebin.com/iFnMY6XM The problem is, this is not uptime related and I am not able to reproduce it consistently, but it happens every 2-3 months. There are many similar bug reports, but most of them are unresolved and if they are - the patch should already be in my kernel. What should I do? |
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| 12:03.32 | babilen | ernetas: That sounds like an Ubuntu system - Is it one? |
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| 12:04.08 | babilen | (and a very old one at that) |
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| 12:06.13 | babilen | ernetas: And those logs are ancient too - Are you able to provide further information about the system (sources.list, output of 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-*"', ...) ? |
| 12:06.21 | ernetas | babilen, sorry, yes, it's from Ubuntu. There's is a same one from Debian, I'll upload it in a sec. |
| 12:06.56 | babilen | ernetas: You might want to use a different pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net http://refheap.com or so ... |
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| 12:10.07 | imdea | any ideas why after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy when I type: 'vim' I get this error: vim: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ? |
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| 12:14.50 | ernetas | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/18233/ |
| 12:15.16 | babilen | imdea: Which vim is that? Please show me the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "vim*"', "which vim", "whereis vim", "ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim" and run "ldd /etc/alternatives/vim" - paste all that to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:15.21 | heyuxiang | hi, i have an sata3 ssd, SOMETIMES it show running at sata2 speed under linux. by running : dmesg|grep ahci, i can see the sata link speed, most of the time it shows 3.0Gbps, others it shows 6.0Gbps. the chipset is intel nm70, the notebook model is Acer v5-131 |
| 12:15.25 | ernetas | I uploaded only part of it, because it went like that for 6 hours and there are 10 MB of logs with same content. |
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| 12:18.28 | babilen | ernetas: It looks as if your storage is having problems as both logs show that either rsync/flush was running or the update to the locate db -- I would investigate it from that angle. |
| 12:18.31 | imdea | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/18235/ |
| 12:19.03 | babilen | imdea: That was easy! :) (do you see it?) |
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| 12:20.23 | imdea | babilen: no :( |
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| 12:21.12 | babilen | imdea: Fair enough, ask yourself why you still have /usr/bin/vim.gnome and why /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.gnome even though you do not have vim-gnome installed (anymore?) |
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| 12:21.32 | babilen | imdea: The version you have installed is linked against an old perl version that is not in wheezy |
| 12:21.43 | imdea | babilen: exactly I know that, what I don't get is why? |
| 12:21.58 | imdea | babilen: I have tried to reinstall (purge) vim package and reinstall it and the same result |
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| 12:22.13 | babilen | imdea: You have to work with the vim-gnome package |
| 12:22.41 | babilen | imdea: I cannot tell you why you have this corrupted state (you shouldn't have vim.gnome if that package is not installed) |
| 12:22.50 | ernetas | babilen, true. Well, we were running backups at the time. But most of the bug reports rather talk about problems with kswapd. |
| 12:23.01 | ernetas | Should I still pursue issues in storage? |
| 12:23.07 | imdea | babilen: yes, I've installed vim-gnome and now it works. strange! |
| 12:23.08 | imdea | thanks again |
| 12:23.52 | babilen | imdea: I am not surprised that it works after installing vim-gnome as that essentially upgraded the (stale, old, outdated) /usr/bin/vim.gnome that simply shouldn't have been there anymore. |
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| 12:24.30 | babilen | imdea: The question is: How did you remove vim-gnome from package status file *without* actually removing/purging it? |
| 12:26.02 | imdea | babilen: I just did aptitude install vim-gnome |
| 12:26.02 | imdea | and magic came.. |
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| 12:26.04 | babilen | imdea: As the packaging system didn't know that vim-gnome was de facto still installed it wasn't upgraded and you ended up with a binary that was compiled against libraries not in wheezy (but in squeeze) ... that is not surprising behaviour but I wonder how your packaging system was corrupted like that. |
| 12:26.23 | imdea | babilen: debian behavior? :s |
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| 12:27.03 | babilen | imdea: No, I mean before ... vim-gnome was *obviously* still installed (in the sense that the files were still present) but *something* must have removed it from /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 12:27.24 | imdea | babilen: yes but it seems that for some reason it didn't |
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| 12:27.51 | babilen | imdea: No, that is almost certainly not Debian behaviour -- Well, in the light of our little exchange in #openldap I probably don't have to say more ;) |
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| 12:28.23 | imdea | babilen: probably it's related to that, surely |
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| 12:29.12 | babilen | imdea: You could check your /var/log/apt/history.log* for changes regarding vim-gnome but it might also be that you simply restored a /var/lib/dpkg/status file that was out of sync with the actual system. I forgot the details of your fuckup, but I blame it ;) |
| 12:29.32 | babilen | imdea: All I could do was to explain the *current* behaviour :) |
| 12:29.36 | jscott1989 | Hey, I'm trying to set up a cronjob that will periodically pull from a git repository then restart a service - but of course it won't have root so can't use the "service" command - does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start with this? |
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| 12:31.03 | imdea | babilen: thank you very much again |
| 12:31.23 | babilen | ernetas: Yes, that would be my suggestion -- It looks as if you run into problems whenever there is high I/O on the system. You could cause that with tools such as bonnie++ or other file system/disk stress test tools. |
| 12:31.32 | babilen | imdea: No problem, you are welcome |
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| 12:32.21 | babilen | ernetas: That's just my gut feeling and it might be related to something else... maybe you don't have the microcode packages installed and your CPU is simply buggy, maybe one of your disks is misbehaving, maybe a RAM ... |
| 12:32.26 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 12:32.26 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 12:32.45 | babilen | EVERYONE should read ^^^ and install the appropriate package btw |
| 12:32.47 | jkll | hello. how can i forward all ports from the host to the guest in qemu? just for testing a ftpserver in qemu thx |
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| 12:32.53 | babilen | bbl |
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| 12:33.55 | Arafangion | babilen: One wonders why the kernel doesnt' do that. |
| 12:35.00 | ernetas | babilen, but some of the machines are running on virtual hosts. Can it still be an issue of microcode patches? |
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| 12:41.54 | jkll | i have it. thx bye |
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| 12:58.21 | boudiccas | jscott1989, write a little bash script for it, you can setup unattended root access with it |
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| 12:59.07 | jscott1989 | boudiccas: so there's a way to make the bash script run as root from a crontab? |
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| 12:59.58 | boudiccas | jscott1989, yes, i'm running a bash script atm that has mixed user and root commands in it from roots crontab, no problem |
| 13:00.37 | jscott1989 | boudiccas: hmm okay, to do that is it a property of the bash script or of the crontab? |
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| 13:00.57 | boudiccas | jscott1989, roots crontab calls the script |
| 13:01.08 | jscott1989 | ah of course! |
| 13:01.14 | jscott1989 | that's so easy |
| 13:01.15 | jscott1989 | thanks |
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| 13:01.22 | boudiccas | jscott1989, np :) |
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| 13:16.35 | DammitJim | is there an official Debian Wheezy logo? |
| 13:16.51 | DammitJim | I'd like to put one on my homepage where it says that it's powered by Debian |
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| 13:17.13 | jordanm | !debian logo |
| 13:17.13 | dpkg | well, debian logo is http://www.debian.org/logos , http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo . See also <debian logo font>. http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130301 |
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| 13:18.03 | DammitJim | http://www.skyminds.net/serveur-dedie-mise-a-jour-vers-debian-7-wheezy/ isn't doing it for me |
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| 13:19.32 | DammitJim | that's too bad that there aren't any for wheezy |
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| 13:20.01 | jordanm | yeah, the releases don't get there own logo |
| 13:20.23 | babilen | *their |
| 13:20.33 | babilen | runs |
| 13:20.56 | th0r | babilen, so I'm not the only one <smile> |
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| 13:22.12 | CheckDavid | Hello. How do I put netinstaller in a USB? I have the unofficial with proprietary firmware |
| 13:22.26 | CheckDavid | I have this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:23.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell CheckDavid -about usb install |
| 13:23.21 | babilen | CheckDavid: Are you on a *nix system, Windows or something else? |
| 13:23.35 | CheckDavid | I am on Windows 7 |
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| 13:24.06 | babilen | CheckDavid: In that case use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ as noted in the factoid the bot sent you to write the image to your USB stick |
| 13:24.33 | Sevet | is there a floppy netinst image anywhere? |
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| 13:24.53 | Sevet | i have a server where the kvm can't accept an iso, only a 1.44mb floppy image... |
| 13:24.55 | babilen | no |
| 13:25.10 | babilen | floppy's are so ... 80s ;) |
| 13:25.26 | babilen | dpkg: floppy |
| 13:25.27 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian-Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. These were last made available for the Etch/4.0 release, see <etch floppies>. From the <lenny errata>: "Due to an increase in the size of the Linux kernel, we are unable to provide installation images for installs from floppy disk." |
| 13:25.27 | Sevet | heh i know |
| 13:25.43 | Sevet | thanks - that's what i'd thought... |
| 13:26.00 | babilen | s/floppy's/floppies/ |
| 13:26.09 | babilen | m( |
| 13:26.27 | Sevet | back to trying to get their windows share access working... |
| 13:27.17 | CheckDavid | babilen, that software you gave me, asks for an image file, and doens't recognize Iso file. |
| 13:27.43 | babilen | CheckDavid: Ah, yes .. Windows is a bit anal about file extensions (even though they don't matter) -- Rename the .iso to .img and it should be fine. |
| 13:27.57 | CheckDavid | Oh thanks |
| 13:28.06 | CheckDavid | OH wait, rename the file? |
| 13:28.10 | DammitJim | there was a banner up to Sarge |
| 13:28.15 | CheckDavid | I thought you meant rename the kind of file it is asking for. |
| 13:28.42 | babilen | CheckDavid: well, either is fine - I haven't actually used that software so … |
| 13:29.30 | babilen | CheckDavid: Just ensure that you can write the *data* that is in the .iso to the USB - If it allows you to select the .iso directly by telling it something along the lines of "yes, really show me all files" that is perfectly fine. |
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| 13:30.52 | CheckDavid | babilen, well I just isntalled it to the usb, and it says now it has 14 KB free of a total of 440 KB D= |
| 13:31.30 | CheckDavid | Whoa, this is seriously messed up. |
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| 13:33.44 | babilen | CheckDavid: Can't you boot from it? |
| 13:34.24 | CheckDavid | babilen, no idea, should I even boot from a drive that says to be 440 KB? |
| 13:34.38 | CheckDavid | And only has 1 folder with 1 file in it 2 directories deep? |
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| 13:36.36 | babilen | CheckDavid: I have no idea what Windows does and lack the knowledge to debug it. I do, however, know that multiple people used the aforementioned tool to write our images to a USB stick and were able to install from them. |
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| 13:37.23 | jmcnaught | it's possible that windows simply isn't recognizing/displaying the new linux filesystem created on the USB stick |
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| 13:38.56 | CheckDavid | Ok then I will try |
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| 13:44.12 | fosstux | Hi! I have a question: I've renamed my debian user to a different name. But now I cannot connect to the samba share on that server. Neither with the old nor with the new username. |
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| 13:44.37 | fosstux | What do I have to change sothat I cann connect again? |
| 13:44.51 | fosstux | Oh... I'm trying to connect from Win7 |
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| 13:52.45 | th0r | fosstux, did you define the new username in samba (smbpasswd) |
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| 14:08.47 | SteveJones23 | anyone able to assist me with understanding how to properly extend a volume i have in LVM (a virtual machine in esxi) |
| 14:08.59 | SteveJones23 | ive read a few articles but i must be missing something |
| 14:09.59 | SteveJones23 | i pastebin'd the current displays and df ; basically i started off with a 50G virtual disk, and i increased it to 75G for testing, dmesg shows the 75G as does fdisk -l |
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| 14:11.56 | SteveJones23 | http://pastebin.com/ygYqsUNj <== df, lvm vgscan, lvm pvdisplay and dmesg |
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| 14:15.56 | Azrael_- | SteveJones23: then you just have to inform the vm of the change and you're done |
| 14:17.23 | SteveJones23 | Azrael - i think ive gotten a bit confused with all the varying articles saying to do it dif ways |
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| 14:22.44 | angs | if I run a program through /etc/rc.local, would the program be run as a daemon? |
| 14:23.16 | SteveJones23 | @angs - no it'll just start on boot, you'd have to "daemonize" it to have it be an actual daemon |
| 14:23.40 | angs | SteveJones23, thanks |
| 14:23.45 | SteveJones23 | np |
| 14:24.55 | angs | SteveJones23, I placed a c code on /etc/rc.local, then reboot the system. the program is run but it does not output printf or fprintf |
| 14:25.03 | angs | but I can see that it is working through top |
| 14:25.15 | angs | do you guess why it works as a daemon |
| 14:25.33 | angs | *do you have a guess |
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| 14:26.01 | SteveJones23 | anything you put in /etc/rc.local will run on boot, that doesnt necessarily make it a daemon per-se (imho) |
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| 14:27.13 | angs | I see thank you |
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| 14:29.38 | patsToms | someone can help me get ppa working? http://vpaste.net/oWiBJ |
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| 14:37.28 | SteveJones23 | @Azrael - figured it out, but probably it could be more streamlined |
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| 14:41.37 | halt | Hi guys, it's look like my package pinning going crazy, can you guys have look what's going on here is an paste how it's look like this http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c721fab8/ |
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| 14:47.49 | jordanm | halt, you shouldn't need pinning rules at all there |
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| 14:47.58 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 14:48.07 | jordanm | since it looks like you want puppetlabs packages, and there versions are already newer |
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| 14:48.21 | verysoftoiletppr | can someone explain me how the oackage repositories are updated |
| 14:48.43 | verysoftoiletppr | it that a job the owners of the packages should do? |
| 14:48.45 | verysoftoiletppr | or does debian take care of that? |
| 14:49.17 | verysoftoiletppr | exfat-fuse 1.0 was released jan 22 of this year but the repositories still have 0.9.8 |
| 14:49.24 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr, developers or teams upload packages to unstable which migrate to testing |
| 14:49.36 | jordanm | ,versions exfat-fuse |
| 14:49.38 | judd | Package: exfat-fuse on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.9.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.7-2; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-1 |
| 14:49.40 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm how can I install from unstable? |
| 14:49.42 | verysoftoiletppr | or testing? |
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| 14:50.00 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr, you don't. use the version in backports |
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| 14:50.07 | jordanm | !tell verysoftoiletppr about backports |
| 14:50.09 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm how? |
| 14:50.13 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm tks |
| 14:50.29 | brontosaurusrex | what was the command to list all executables in *.deb file? (and a command to list all executables in installed package?) |
| 14:50.47 | halt | jordanm: why i setuped the pinning becasue it does not try to install it from that repo, but it does not help, with or without pinning it's still brocek dependences |
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| 14:51.25 | jordanm | halt, show the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy puppet |
| 14:51.50 | jordanm | halt, with the pinning removed |
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| 14:53.48 | halt | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/18272/ |
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| 14:56.56 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys! |
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| 14:57.39 | dimitry7 | do you know a command which can show me the PCI Express ports I have on a remote Debian server? |
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| 14:57.53 | dimitry7 | i tried # lspci but it shows all PCI, I can't distinguish from PCI-Express |
| 14:58.09 | halt | dimitry7: lshw will do |
| 14:58.44 | brontosaurusrex | dimitry7, lspci | grep Exp ? |
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| 14:59.22 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm should I uninstall the normal package before installing the one from backport? |
| 14:59.40 | halt | verysoftoiletppr: no, it's will just update it |
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| 15:00.17 | jordanm | halt, apt-get -s install puppet |
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| 15:02.47 | halt | jordanm: same error about the dependences, http://paste.debian.net/18275/ |
| 15:03.35 | jordanm | halt, apt-get -s install -f |
| 15:03.59 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr, no, you can upgrade directly to the backport version |
| 15:04.47 | verysoftoiletppr | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 15:04.52 | verysoftoiletppr | deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/debian-backports/ wheezy-backports main |
| 15:05.08 | verysoftoiletppr | is it necessary to reload /var/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:05.26 | jordanm | why are you trying to set it to the default release? |
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| 15:05.40 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm ? |
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| 15:05.42 | verysoftoiletppr | am I? |
| 15:06.08 | verysoftoiletppr | sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install exfat-fuse |
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| 15:07.19 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm ^ |
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| 15:07.46 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr, yes, you need to apt-get update after adding it to sources.list |
| 15:07.53 | iooner | :D |
| 15:08.03 | verysoftoiletppr | dumbass.. |
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| 15:09.37 | halt | jordanm: thanks the install -f resolved the conflic still wondering how it happend :S |
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| 15:10.09 | jordanm | halt, to looks like somehow you got in a state where some of your puppet packages were from main and some were from puppetlabs |
| 15:10.26 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm are there no armhf packages in backport? |
| 15:10.27 | David___ | Whoa, I installed Debian, all hell broke loose. I lost all stuff I had on the harddrive, I tried to avoid wiping the harddrive by creating a partition, but I guess I messed up :( |
| 15:10.32 | David___ | At least it's running |
| 15:10.36 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 15:11.24 | David___ | I would like to know how to intall apps. I would like to install Skype and an IRC client on my debian. Thanks |
| 15:11.26 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr, deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
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| 15:12.15 | mtn | David___: debian has a wiki with such information. |
| 15:12.22 | jordanm | David___, you can use apt-get to install an irc client eg apt-get install xchat |
| 15:12.36 | jordanm | !tell David___ about skype |
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| 15:12.53 | jordanm | David___, or you can the synaptic package manager or software center if you prefer |
| 15:13.22 | David___ | Thanks jordanm |
| 15:13.23 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm that worked thanks |
| 15:13.33 | David___ | jordanm: hwo do I locate that center? |
| 15:14.30 | David___ | jordanm: I tried your suggested command and got the following: "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 15:14.45 | verysoftoiletppr | debian is great |
| 15:15.01 | musca | aum! |
| 15:15.13 | jordanm | David___, you have to be root |
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| 15:15.38 | David___ | How do I be root for a limited amount of time jordanm ? |
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| 15:16.05 | jordanm | David___, with the "su" command |
| 15:16.10 | musca | in a terminal type: su - |
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| 15:19.29 | David___ | how do I log out of root? =P |
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| 15:20.12 | jordanm | David___, ctrl+d |
| 15:20.18 | jordanm | David___, or you can type "exit" |
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| 15:21.17 | David___ | I thought I could install 32 bit skype on my 64 bit debian |
| 15:23.22 | jordanm | David___, you can, see the "amd64" section of the skype page on the wiki |
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| 15:23.37 | David___ | Yeah, doing that now, thanks jordanm |
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| 15:29.41 | David___ | I made a Debian USB, now I can't delete the files in it to reuse the USB, any tips? |
| 15:30.34 | jordanm | David___, reformat it? |
| 15:30.44 | David___ | HOw do I do it on debian? |
| 15:31.37 | jordanm | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdxx # as root where sdxx is the partition on the usb |
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| 15:32.16 | jordanm | you can probably use gparted or some kind of GUI as well |
| 15:32.20 | Sevet | don't have the drive mounted at the time |
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| 15:32.56 | ImaLamer | mount it |
| 15:33.01 | ImaLamer | wrong window |
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| 15:38.02 | David___ | Ah, damn, not having much luck with Skype install, after running "dpkg -i skype-install.deb" I get : dpkg: error processing skype (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Errors were encountered while processing: skype" |
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| 15:38.33 | dimitry7 | halt, thank you man!! |
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| 15:40.16 | AciD` | David___ > skype is evil |
| 15:41.05 | David___ | I just wanted to have it, even if without sound |
| 15:41.07 | David___ | just to chat |
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| 15:42.15 | David___ | What! I did the steps in the inverse order, and now it works!! |
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| 15:51.10 | ImaLamer | after sleeping or being awake for a while my mouse seems to start ignoring clicks, but not movement (from my laptop) - any ideas what i should look at? |
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| 16:01.14 | zsdust | Hi, quick question: I installed the gtk+3 dev package from the repo, but pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3 won't work, is there something I might be missing? |
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| 16:05.41 | gusnan | zsdust, Which dev package did you install? libgtk-3-dev? |
| 16:06.08 | zsdust | Yes! |
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| 16:06.36 | gusnan | and make sure you use gtk+-3.0 to pkg-config (notice the .0) |
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| 16:07.13 | zsdust | Ok, now that seems to work. |
| 16:08.09 | zsdust | Sorry, I just switched from Ubuntu, and just copied all makefiles from there ... |
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| 16:08.19 | zsdust | It did work there :-) |
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| 16:08.40 | zsdust | Sorry |
| 16:09.13 | zsdust | Never mind, it didn't, my makefile also says 3.0 -.- |
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| 16:11.44 | David___ | [16:31] <jordanm> mkfs.vfat /dev/sdxx # as root where sdxx is the partition on the usb <-- well, I dont know exactly how to choose sdxx lol |
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| 16:12.39 | jordanm | David___, fdisk -l |
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| 16:15.20 | rdz | is there a way to not have a root password configured at all, so that nothing is accepted, also not an empty password? |
| 16:15.30 | David___ | jordanm: can you be a bit more specif? I have no idea how to use that command, I just recently went from windows to linux. |
| 16:15.38 | rdz | the only way to login should be through ssh with public_key |
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| 16:16.15 | jordanm | David___, pastebin the output of that command |
| 16:16.37 | nvz | rdz: yes you put a ! in the password field can also be done with usermod I believe.. disables an account.. then you have to use sudo or such.. which is better than even a public key cause you'd still need the key to get in as a normal user then have permissions via sudo which can be done with your normal user password |
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| 16:17.01 | rdz | nvz, thanks |
| 16:17.36 | nvz | rdz: you shouldn't allow root logins via ssh at all.. no need, you can become root after login |
| 16:18.26 | ImaLamer | nvz: the idea that the root password can be sniffed has been disproven unless you are only fearing brute force attacks |
| 16:19.07 | ImaLamer | either way, packages like fail2ban can help mitigate or slow down brute force attempts |
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| 16:19.52 | nvz | ImaLamer: yeah well you don't allow root logins and you don't have to worry at all.. my thinkin is less of HOW someone will get in and more that the mindset of using keys and disabling the password people get too comfortable with the idea that security is something you just put there like a dog outside your house.. then they don't generate new keys ever and they get sloppy |
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| 16:20.38 | nvz | Security is an idea, not something physical you just buy and set somewhere.. It must be routinely audited and updated |
| 16:20.52 | patsToms | maybe someone will see this as offtopic. I want to know, why "Package pin" is not found. Some logs http://vpaste.net/RFY8L |
| 16:22.36 | ImaLamer | nvz: then do you also delete the su binary? because what you are attempting to stop won't be with that advice |
| 16:22.38 | nvz | patsToms: looks like one of the two packages you have pinned by package name doesn't exist |
| 16:22.44 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Is there a way to quicly change a default alsa device? |
| 16:23.07 | patsToms | nvz: yes, but it's installed as you see haha |
| 16:23.14 | patsToms | but not from the first one |
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| 16:23.46 | nvz | patsToms: its probably the fglrx one, the only one not mentioned below |
| 16:24.01 | patsToms | nvz: the problem is with xchat |
| 16:24.06 | patsToms | "Package pin: (not found)" |
| 16:24.09 | nvz | oh right.. |
| 16:24.10 | patsToms | any ideas why? |
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| 16:25.45 | nvz | no, but I'm also recovering from dehydration and you got a rather elaborate pin structure there.. heh.. the main question that rings in my mind is why you're doing all this which seems to be the real problem |
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| 16:26.02 | nvz | mixing debian and linux mint and all that, you're just asking for problems |
| 16:26.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Where is asoundconf |
| 16:26.11 | patsToms | yes it is |
| 16:26.17 | patsToms | just need to take it out |
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| 16:26.48 | patsToms | nvz: the idea was to get xchat not from linuxmint repositories, but from debian |
| 16:27.08 | nvz | yeah I am following that much.. |
| 16:27.29 | David___ | jordanm: why paste bin? it's just "bash: fdisk: command not found" |
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| 16:27.39 | jordanm | David___, as root |
| 16:28.01 | nvz | patsToms: the issue is that what you're doing makes your support here severely problematic and yet you want our help.. which presents a problem where ordinary debian users volunteering to support debian are being troubled by your crazy hybrid system |
| 16:28.15 | nvz | you should probably just use debian, or get used to dealing with your own problems you cause |
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| 16:28.18 | patsToms | haha |
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| 16:28.36 | nvz | heh ;) |
| 16:28.39 | Otaku_ | Hey guys |
| 16:28.52 | Otaku_ | When I try to install the canon driver for my Canon Pixma MP210 i get the following errors: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-51efffd9544595.11162613.png |
| 16:29.02 | Otaku_ | when i try to install libcupsys2 it says that there is only libcups2 and that i have already the latest version of it. |
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| 16:29.14 | patsToms | nvz: but thanks about answering. |
| 16:29.18 | nvz | I personally got quite a few problems on my system but I dont ask for help here because they are due to running MATE repos on my system.. and are mate issues |
| 16:29.34 | nvz | so I just sit here and deal with it.. cause I know its beyond the scope of this channel |
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| 16:30.07 | patsToms | yeah, but it's not about issues, it's about apt |
| 16:30.39 | patsToms | really can't understand apt-pinning |
| 16:30.40 | patsToms | really don't know where is the problem |
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| 16:30.41 | gusnan | Otaku_, you are running Bodhi Linux? |
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| 16:30.51 | Otaku_ | yes |
| 16:31.03 | Otaku_ | in their channel noone is answering |
| 16:31.11 | Otaku_ | so i try it here |
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| 16:32.49 | ag4ve | how do i make sure no x packages are installed? iirc i had some APT:: feature that made sure no optional packages were installed, but i can't find it |
| 16:33.02 | nvz | patsToms: well on that debian mirror you have listed there.. the wheezy version of xchat is http://ftp.lt.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.8.8-7.1_amd64.deb which is not the version it says you have installed |
| 16:33.16 | nvz | patsToms: my best advice would be to remove xchat, apt-get update and then install it again |
| 16:33.27 | patsToms | yeah, i did it many times |
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| 16:33.49 | patsToms | it prefers the same package |
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| 16:34.54 | nvz | patsToms: well you are probably using mint's apt and I can't really say what the problem is.. but it seems to be failing to understand the difference between their versions and our versions.. and thats WHY this becomes way beyond our scope because we dont use apt in that way.. to mix and pin different distros |
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| 16:35.40 | patsToms | oh, so I can't get it working that way? |
| 16:35.51 | patsToms | seems like I understand |
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| 16:36.05 | nvz | patsToms: I'm just trying to get you to the idea that you obviously know we're good at solving problems here, so why are you using mint to begin with? Why not talk more about what the problems are that got you using mint in the first place and maybe we can get you using debian and happier that way |
| 16:36.26 | nvz | then we don't have to guess as to why this isn't working |
| 16:36.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:37.05 | patsToms | haha, really don't know why. I'm to debian because of ubuntu is not supporting ati legacy drivers any more |
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| 16:37.28 | patsToms | and there need to do fallbacks which brake os |
| 16:37.45 | patsToms | there is no problems with it on debian |
| 16:38.01 | Otaku_ | When I try to install the canon driver for my Canon Pixma MP210 i get the following errors: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-51efffd9544595.11162613.png when i try to install libcupsys2 it says that there is only libcups2 and that i have already the latest version of it. |
| 16:38.09 | nvz | patsToms: so you went with LMDE rather than Debian stable? I mean I do that from time to time for people who play games and such cause LMDE has rolling releases and stays up to date.. but I also don't try get help with it here |
| 16:39.18 | patsToms | true, just can't get any info about this so thats why I started with "maybe offtopic" |
| 16:39.36 | patsToms | s/can't get any info about this/can't get any info about this for some time |
| 16:39.39 | nvz | patsToms: I think you just need to 1) figure out what your priorities are and 2) learn to not abuse the scope of support channels. I am a debian user because I agreed 100% with the priorities outlined in Debian's Social Contract and Why_Debian documents |
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| 16:40.09 | nvz | to me stability, freedom, and support trump all other issues.. |
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| 16:44.41 | nvz | Otaku_: I think what its referring to is just called libcups2 in debian.. so you'd need to first make sure that is installed, then perhaps either setup an equivs package or force install with dpkg that Canon package using the appropriate --ignore option |
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| 16:45.11 | nvz | Otaku_: using equivs to make a libcupsys2 package is probably the safer option.. but either would likely work |
| 16:45.21 | David___ | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/tC732bGQ |
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| 16:46.56 | roaet | I understand from the manual of sources.list that an apt URI can have user:pass information in it. What if the password needs to URL encoded prior? Can apt handle that? |
| 16:47.07 | roaet | Or should I just make my password not use funky characters? |
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| 16:51.24 | nvz | roaet: seems to me like using a password on an apt repository is going the wrong way about it.. limiting IPs or using a VPN or something would be the better approach.. passwords would be transmitted in plain text anyhow |
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| 16:52.09 | roaet | nvz: that seems more correct. |
| 16:52.15 | roaet | I'll make an isolated network. Thank you |
| 16:52.17 | AndChat|5025 | How do I simply run the command ' tightvncserver ' on startup ? |
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| 16:52.49 | nvz | roaet: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/513 might be of help.. says you can even do it over ssh |
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| 16:53.03 | Otaku_ | nvz, i don'T understand a word you say :O |
| 16:53.15 | Otaku_ | I tried: http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/02/install-canon-printer-for-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 16:53.27 | rdz | AndChat|5025, you could put a line '@reboot tightvncserver' in your local crontab |
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| 16:53.38 | Otaku_ | now, but apt-get update shows some errors and the package cant be found, nvz |
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| 16:54.05 | rdz | AndChat|5025, assuming that you want to start tightvncserver as user and not as root |
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| 16:54.50 | nvz | Otaku_: equivs is a debian package that allows you to make a fake empty package that tells the package system that a dependency is satisfied.. since the 3rd party package you wish to install depends on libcupsys2 and this DOES NOT EXIST in debian, you have to first SATISFY the dependency by installing the ACTUAL package providing that library, which seems to be libcups2 then you have to tell the package system the dependency is satisfied by using equivs to gener |
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| 16:55.47 | nvz | Otaku_: yes, you have to use apt-get -f install or otherwise unmark the package you were trying to install by doing apt-get remove cnijfilter-common or such |
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| 16:56.32 | AndChat|5025 | Rdz: yes its for a raspberry pi. User is pi |
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| 16:57.47 | jordanm | David___, /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd both look like 4GB usb sticks |
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| 16:58.20 | David___ | Yes they do jordanm |
| 16:58.32 | David___ | jordanm: I have 2 sticks attached, I may disconnect one |
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| 16:59.29 | jordanm | David___, hdparm -I /dev/sdc; hdparm -I /dev/sdd |
| 16:59.30 | nvz | Otaku_: are you even using ubuntu? cause blindly following ubuntu howtos on debian is pretty much always gonna mess things up |
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| 16:59.37 | jordanm | David___, that should show the model numbers |
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| 17:00.57 | David___ | jordanm: I think the purpose was to know if i want sdd or sdc right? |
| 17:01.06 | jordanm | David___, yes |
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| 17:01.44 | Otaku_ | I'm using bodhilinux |
| 17:02.19 | Otaku_ | but i could install the canon-common driver now from that ppa |
| 17:02.22 | jordanm | !tell Otaku_ about based on debian |
| 17:02.34 | David___ | jordanm: considering it is sdd that I want to format, what do I do? |
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| 17:03.32 | jordanm | David___, I would just use gparted to delete the existing partitions and create 1 new one |
| 17:03.57 | Otaku_ | i still only need the mp210 series driver |
| 17:04.10 | Otaku_ | i often got help here, jordanm |
| 17:04.19 | David___ | jordanm: how do I launch gparted? I need to install? |
| 17:04.23 | jordanm | David___, gparted can also format it to fat32 as well |
| 17:04.37 | Otaku_ | even though ubuntu is closer related to bodhi, the guys their don't know anything. |
| 17:04.52 | jordanm | David___, probably need to install it, yes. then launch it with gksu gparted (as a regular user) |
| 17:05.07 | David___ | jordanm: what about the command you had suggested me to use? |
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| 17:05.39 | jordanm | David___, it's a little more complicated since that device is already split into two partitions, which probably isn't what you want for general use |
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| 17:06.30 | David___ | apt-get install gparted |
| 17:06.33 | David___ | I suppse? |
| 17:06.33 | jordanm | you can use "parted /dev/sdd" on the command line to create the partitions, then mkfs.vfat to format the filesystem, or you can just use the gparted GUI |
| 17:06.34 | jordanm | yes |
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| 17:08.28 | nvz | Otaku_: then stop using bodhi linux and stop dealing with #ubuntu... apparently bodhi linux (whatever that is) has shitty support.. go grab a copy of debian cause clearly quality support is more important to you |
| 17:08.28 | David___ | jordanm: I installed and got this: "/dev/sdd contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table?" |
| 17:09.13 | jordanm | David___, looked like it in fdisk |
| 17:09.23 | jordanm | David___, but it doesn't really matter since you about to blow it away |
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| 17:09.54 | David___ | jordanm: should I say yes or no? |
| 17:10.09 | David___ | jordanm: basically the question is: "Is this a GPT partition table?" |
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| 17:10.42 | jordanm | David___, yes |
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| 17:11.49 | David___ | I selected the device, but I see no option to "blow it away" or format it jordanm |
| 17:13.19 | Otaku_ | Bodhi has nice support |
| 17:13.20 | jordanm | David___, select the drive using the drop down, then right click on the partitions and select "delete" |
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| 17:15.31 | David___ | jordanm: the delete options is grey, not possible to select |
| 17:15.39 | Otaku_ | nvz, bodhi linux is a ubuntu version using enlightenment and the support there is fine, the guy there fount the right ppa for me and now i could install it successfully |
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| 17:15.46 | Otaku_ | but also thanks for your help |
| 17:16.04 | Otaku_ | just stop talking bad about bodhi, it's awesome |
| 17:16.29 | jordanm | David___, what about device -> create partition table? |
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| 17:16.57 | nvz | Otaku_: stop talkin about bodhi in here and we don't have to worry about it |
| 17:17.07 | Otaku_ | xD |
| 17:17.18 | Otaku_ | but debian is still epic |
| 17:17.32 | Otaku_ | i use it on all my computers that don't need a GUI |
| 17:17.33 | David___ | jordanm: I did that and I got this: "Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sdd have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes." |
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| 17:18.20 | jordanm | David___, you can try running partprobe to pick up the changes. was on the usb partition mounted |
| 17:18.28 | nvz | Otaku_: why? when you're clearly using ubuntu vs. bodhi for their GUI.. we have 4 full desktop environments as well as enlightenment and dozens of other WMs? |
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| 17:19.19 | Otaku_ | when i became a bodhi user, debian didn't support the latest enlightenment version |
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| 17:19.31 | Otaku_ | and i don't think their is much difference |
| 17:19.37 | David___ | jordanm: no idea how to use that, now it says that my 4gb usb is 14 gbs |
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| 17:19.40 | Otaku_ | *there |
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| 17:20.08 | nvz | Otaku_: well you'd serve yourself best to just go get debian or you're gonna wind up banned from this channel |
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| 17:23.41 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 17:23.41 | dpkg | <meshuggah> enouf; i dont zqnt q french lqyout)azerty i live in cqnqdq |
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| 17:25.34 | David___ | jordanm: how do I use partprobe? |
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| 17:25.51 | jordanm | David___, just run "partprobe" |
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| 17:32.38 | Otaku_ | nvz, i have debian!!! |
| 17:32.53 | Otaku_ | just not on the computer i want the printer right now. :P |
| 17:33.03 | Otaku_ | my problem is solved, so i'll go |
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| 17:33.14 | Otaku_ | goodnight and stay tolerant |
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| 17:33.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:35.15 | FerkSwe | Hey fellows. I need to make a remote connection (with gui) to my debian mashine (it's a PI). The problem I'm having is that the ways I've tried gives me a new desktop, but I need to see what the local monitor sees. |
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| 17:38.36 | Rovanion | FerkSwe: Try VNC |
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| 17:38.55 | nvz | !rfb |
| 17:38.55 | dpkg | RFB (remote framebuffer) is a simple protocol for remote access to graphical user interfaces. Ask me about <vnc>. |
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| 17:40.12 | streulma | hello, I have a question about grub. I run Debian in KVM and when I update my kernel a new grub item is added in menu.lst, but not at the correct place |
| 17:40.38 | streulma | what's the best to run and manage grub? |
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| 17:40.51 | jordanm | menu.lst hasn't been used in two releases now |
| 17:41.06 | nvz | yeah its all automated by scripts and templates now |
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| 17:41.31 | streulma | okay, I know... |
| 17:41.40 | streulma | why is menu.lst then used ? |
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| 17:42.08 | Rovanion | streulma: It's the generated file that is displayed on boot if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 17:42.11 | nvz | if you've got a menu.lst and its being used then you're using a really old version of debian or a legacy version of grub |
| 17:42.28 | streulma | squeeze |
| 17:42.33 | streulma | can upgrade to wheezy |
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| 17:43.21 | streulma | I think it's legacy |
| 17:43.33 | nvz | You'd have to be using Etch or something... squeeze used grub2 by default |
| 17:43.40 | tremon | grub2 (aka grub-pc) is also in sqeeze. You should plan your upgrade anyway, squeeze is in its last year of support |
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| 17:44.47 | streulma | oh, it's a clean server :) |
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| 17:46.14 | nvz | in any case you can just edit menu.lst by hand with a text editor if you're using an old legacy version of grub |
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| 17:48.26 | honvai | on debian-kit there is 3 option. i want 3p but only only openssl. how i make my computer understund that? |
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| 17:48.51 | nvz | I have no idea considering I didn't understand a word of it myself |
| 17:48.53 | nvz | heh |
| 17:50.04 | honvai | eny idea? |
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| 17:51.41 | nvz | are you not a native English speaker or are you just a horrible typist/speller? |
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| 17:52.05 | honvai | horrible spell |
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| 17:52.08 | nvz | I was just thinking about the need for an android bootstrap the other day.. this is the first I've heard of debian-kit looks pretty sweet |
| 17:52.32 | honvai | yes |
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| 17:53.01 | nvz | unfortunately it seems way outdated though |
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| 17:53.27 | amukofes | hi, can anoyone get one invite code from riseup.net? I need one more, thanks. |
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| 17:54.13 | nvz | amukofes: please don't do that here. |
| 17:55.28 | streulma | grub2 : Depends: grub-pc (= 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 17:56.12 | streulma | what now? |
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| 17:57.08 | nvz | streulma: some context would be helpful.. are you upgrading to wheezy or just trying to install grub-pc? |
| 17:57.27 | streulma | install grub-pc |
| 17:57.34 | nvz | streulma: apt-get install grub-pc |
| 17:58.05 | nvz | might want to apt-get update too since thats probably why doing apt-get install grub2 failed |
| 17:58.24 | streulma | grub-pc : Depends: grub-common (= 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1) but 1.99-12 is to be installed |
| 17:58.32 | nvz | streulma: apt-get update |
| 17:58.46 | nvz | your cache is way out of date |
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| 17:59.46 | nvz | honvai: short verion of the story is that this app is not part of the debian project and not supported here.. you should contact the app creator for support |
| 18:00.17 | honvai | fuck you |
| 18:00.42 | honvai | i will |
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| 18:02.11 | nvz | heh. good, hope that works out for you.. |
| 18:02.26 | honvai | uh yes |
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| 18:04.32 | David___ | jordanm: I tried david@David-HP:~$ partprobe bash: partprobe: command not found |
| 18:04.41 | David___ | Both while logged as root and not |
| 18:05.58 | nvz | David___: apt-get install parted |
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| 18:09.21 | David___ | nvz: i think it didn't work very well : "root@David-HP:~# apt-get install parte Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package parte" |
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| 18:10.03 | jordanm | parted with a "d" |
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| 18:10.39 | ctmjr | apt-get install spell-check |
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| 18:13.28 | David___ | oh! Doh! thanks and sorry |
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| 18:13.57 | cart_man1 | Guys why if I run this comman "sudo update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults" I get the following error... "warning: script 'tightvncserver' missing LSB tags and overrides' ? |
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| 18:14.22 | David___ | jordanm: here is what I got "root@David-HP:~# partprobe Error: Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sdd have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes." |
| 18:14.45 | CheckDavid | I will keep up here jordanm , it's easier |
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| 18:18.09 | cart_man1 | Guys why if I run this comman "sudo update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults" I get the following error... "warning: script 'tightvncserver' missing LSB tags and overrides' ? |
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| 18:18.41 | cart_man1 | I get 3 of those errors and none of them start tight VNC on startup anyway ? |
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| 18:19.37 | daveee123 | anyone here use ZFS? is it worth installing in debian 7.0.0/gnome3? |
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| 18:21.09 | cart_man1 | Sigh....really thought id get an answer from the Debian irc about something that everyone lets seem to be soo easy .. |
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| 18:22.12 | cart_man1 | How do I change my Nickname? |
| 18:22.17 | nvz | cart_man1: patience is a virture |
| 18:22.24 | nvz | cart_man1: /nick mynewnick |
| 18:22.27 | Azrael_- | cart_man1: seems like the version doesn't have lsb tags yet |
| 18:22.31 | cart_man1 | nvz: 3rd time today I asked ... |
| 18:22.34 | Azrael_- | did you install the server from repo? |
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| 18:23.09 | nvz | cart_man1: well it seems like a bug needs to be filed.. there is no mention of this issue on the bts.. |
| 18:23.37 | Azrael_- | it's quite easy to solve by adding some tags |
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| 18:23.55 | nvz | yes, its also a trivial fix.. which is why I ignored the question at least twice already |
| 18:24.08 | cart_man1 | dam... because all I want is really to just issue this command 'tightvncserver' when the raspberry is done booting up and in GUI |
| 18:24.20 | Azelphur | Hi folks, my server host installed Debian stable, I was hoping to have testing. Is it easy to upgrade from stable to testing? |
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| 18:24.59 | nvz | cart_man1: thats not gonna do what you're thinking.. vnc servers do not require X to even be installed, and they start a new session.. what you want if you want to see the actual running x session is RFB |
| 18:25.02 | rozie | Azelphur: yes |
| 18:25.17 | tremon | Azelphur: yes, but if the server will be hosting internet services you shouldn't want it |
| 18:25.20 | rozie | Azelphur: just read release notes and apply |
| 18:25.29 | Azelphur | tremon, why not? |
| 18:25.45 | Azelphur | I've heard a few people running on testing, and testing generally seems a lot nicer |
| 18:25.53 | nvz | cart_man1: Gnome always had vino-server and in the System > Prefs > Remote Desktop you could enable it.. however I'm sure thich changed in gnome3 slightly |
| 18:26.13 | verysoftoiletppr | hi, do you have reccomendations regarding command-line pastebin? |
| 18:26.20 | rozie | Azelphur: do you know what testing is? unstable? |
| 18:26.29 | cart_man1 | nvz: I have followed 3 tutorials on how to get tight VNC to boot but I get that error on all 3 of them...on other peoples Raspberries it seems to work fine though |
| 18:26.30 | tremon | Azelphur: debian testing has no fast-path for security updates. Security issues will be fixed faster in stable |
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| 18:26.51 | CheckDavid | jordanm, are you there? =) |
| 18:27.09 | Azelphur | tremon, I see, but at the same time, I'd prefer to be up to date on packages we make use of |
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| 18:27.35 | cart_man1 | Should I maybe update my Debian ? |
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| 18:27.42 | tremon | !tell verysoftoiletppr about nopaste |
| 18:27.44 | rozie | Azelphur: there are backports if you need newer packages |
| 18:27.45 | cart_man1 | apt-get update? |
| 18:28.19 | rozie | (not sure about security fixes there) |
| 18:28.24 | Azelphur | I see |
| 18:28.28 | verysoftoiletppr | tremon do you know about http://sprunge.us/ ? |
| 18:28.34 | nvz | cart_man1: well idk about any of that other than its not on topic here and that VNC servers do not do this.. they start x sessions, not connect to them.. they do not even require an x server.. if you want to see an X display already running you need RFB or XDMCP perhaps.. raspi is discussed in #raspbian Debian will not run on them as it is proprietary SoC that isn't supported |
| 18:28.40 | Azelphur | rozie, is stable rolling release still, btw? |
| 18:28.54 | Azelphur | this is one of the reasons I came off Ubuntu server edition, the dist-upgrades :p |
| 18:29.24 | cart_man1 | nvz: Ohh ok cool..thanks man will go there quickly |
| 18:29.27 | tremon | Azelphur: it really depends on your needs more than my (or anyone's) recommendation. If you need a development server, you're very welcome to use testing. But it you're opening it up to the 'net /now/, you should be very much on top of your own security |
| 18:29.30 | rozie | no. there's no Debian rolling release except CUT |
| 18:29.50 | rozie | but CUT is testing |
| 18:29.52 | tremon | ...and cut is a paper project only, afaik |
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| 18:30.03 | Azelphur | tremon, yea, I mean we we're open to the net for ages on Ubuntu server edition with an outdated kernel :x |
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| 18:30.12 | rozie | and it wasn't very active last time I saw it |
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| 18:30.35 | Azelphur | but I'm cool with stable as long as I can get some packages that aren't ancient |
| 18:30.44 | Azrael_- | ubuntu doesn't provide dist-upgrades? |
| 18:30.48 | Azelphur | how would I go about getting newer packages? |
| 18:30.53 | Azelphur | Azrael_-, it does, they are just buggy :P |
| 18:31.02 | rozie | Azelphur: which newer packages do you need? |
| 18:31.06 | tremon | !tell Azelphur -about ssb |
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| 18:31.09 | Azelphur | rozie, ZNC would be nice |
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| 18:31.25 | nvz | Azelphur: depends on the packages you need. a simple sid backport works in many cases |
| 18:31.31 | Azelphur | ah |
| 18:31.44 | Azelphur | if it's not always going to work, it might be better for me to go to testing anyway |
| 18:31.52 | rozie | Azelphur: znc? irc bouncer? |
| 18:31.56 | Azelphur | this isn't exactly a financial institution, it's just a server that runs some games, and my ZNC instance |
| 18:31.57 | Azelphur | rozie, yes |
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| 18:32.08 | rozie | I won't call this server production, then ;) |
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| 18:32.20 | Azelphur | rozie, haha no, it's just what we play with basically |
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| 18:32.29 | Azelphur | if it got hacked nobody would fall over and die. |
| 18:32.43 | Azelphur | but I'm sure in the real world, Debian testing is secure enough |
| 18:32.56 | rozie | well, if you make backup, you can use testing/unstable in this case |
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| 18:33.01 | Azelphur | there are plenty of servers running it :) |
| 18:33.02 | tremon | for certain values of "real world" |
| 18:33.12 | Azelphur | rozie, this is a fresh install |
| 18:33.22 | tremon | Azelphur: it won't be for long :) |
| 18:33.25 | Azelphur | I asked my server host to install testing, was told he couldn't install it as the keyboard didn't work, so he installed stable instead |
| 18:33.35 | Azelphur | hense, wanting to upgrade back to testing, so I can have some modern packages :) |
| 18:33.55 | CheckDavid | Hello. I installed debian on my machine and unfortunately I messed up, and wiped the disk. Considering I only need to retrieve 1 file, and I know the name of it, could I use < recovery tool to get it? Thanks for considering. |
| 18:34.03 | rozie | Azelphur: read release notes. every upgrade is almost the same |
| 18:34.16 | marcusk | CheckDavid: Possibly, unless it has been overwritten |
| 18:34.17 | tremon | CheckDavid: check out testdisk |
| 18:34.27 | rozie | edit sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.33 | Azelphur | rozie, where are they at? |
| 18:34.34 | CheckDavid | What does checking testdisk involve tremon ? |
| 18:34.40 | rozie | (read messages) |
| 18:35.08 | rozie | if it's basic install, it should work very well |
| 18:35.32 | rozie | Azelphur: just read the docs, OK? |
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| 18:35.57 | Azelphur | rozie, preferably not the entire debian manual, I am just asking how to upgrade to testing :) |
| 18:35.59 | tremon | CheckDavid: I'm going to answer literally, since I don't get what you're asking: it involves starting an Internet browser, going to your favourite search engine of choice, and have it search for "testdisk" |
| 18:35.59 | Azelphur | it's a fairly simple question |
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| 18:36.16 | CheckDavid | tremon, lol! |
| 18:36.17 | CheckDavid | Thanks tremon |
| 18:36.23 | CheckDavid | i already downloaded it tremon |
| 18:36.33 | CheckDavid | I don't know how to install stuff on linux thogh |
| 18:36.56 | rozie | Azelphur: and there were the answers for this question. both full one and short one |
| 18:37.19 | tremon | ah, probably best to use a live disk for it: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd |
| 18:37.26 | Azelphur | rozie, did I miss something? all I saw was you saying to read the release notes o.O |
| 18:37.48 | rozie | this was full answer, yes |
| 18:38.04 | rozie | the short one: 20:34 < rozie> edit sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:38.04 | Azelphur | oh I see, edit sources.list, apt-get ..., yea I missed that line |
| 18:38.06 | CheckDavid | Ah, this is hell lol |
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| 18:38.11 | Azelphur | so I just change everything to jessie and good to go, simple enough |
| 18:38.13 | Azelphur | thanks :) |
| 18:38.16 | CheckDavid | Making another livedisk, is going to be another challenge. |
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| 18:39.27 | Azelphur | rozie, just to make sure I got it right, can you check http://pastebin.com/xy4iZTe7 ? getting my host to do OS reloads is a PITA, so would prefer to get it right first time ;) |
| 18:39.36 | tremon | boot your computer from the cd ("it involves downloading and burning it first" :p), The program is quite easy to use, but you do need to have some knowledge about how harddisks are organized. I'd probably use gparted or grml |
| 18:39.58 | CheckDavid | tremon, I already have gparted, could I try it from there? |
| 18:40.34 | tremon | CheckDavid: do you have the program gparted, or the gparted livecd? |
| 18:40.41 | mtn | Azelphur: just my two cents. if it was my server I would spend some time to really understand what I was doing before making that change. |
| 18:41.02 | CheckDavid | The program tremon |
| 18:41.09 | CheckDavid | CAn't it run while I am using debian? |
| 18:41.25 | Azelphur | mtn, best way to learn is to do, as I say, it's not uptime critical. |
| 18:41.36 | tremon | CheckDavid: yes, it can. apt-get install testdisk :) |
| 18:41.45 | CheckDavid | tremon, I mean gparted |
| 18:41.46 | rozie | Azelphur: if you make mistake in sources.list it won't blow away. it rather just won't upgrade |
| 18:41.49 | Th0masR0ss | hi. This - http://imgur.com/uw0rCZG - isn't lowering or raising or muting the volume when I press the shortcut. The command run by itself in the terminal, however, does work. |
| 18:42.29 | CheckDavid | tremon, apparently gparted has a data recue option |
| 18:42.32 | Azelphur | rozie, spose, I did the apt-get update with that file and I'm getting 404's on http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/source/Sources |
| 18:42.49 | tremon | CheckDavid: oh, good. Never used that |
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| 18:43.51 | rozie | Azelphur: why do you use mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 18:44.05 | Azelphur | rozie, that's the stock sources.list that came with the install? |
| 18:44.07 | Th0masR0ss | oh er never mind. |
| 18:44.28 | Azelphur | unless my server host changed it. |
| 18:44.29 | rozie | kinda weird install |
| 18:44.51 | Azelphur | yea, server hosts always seem to mess with sources.list, they do that in Ubuntu too, see it all the time |
| 18:44.54 | Azelphur | shall I pull mirrors.kernel.org out? |
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| 18:45.25 | Azelphur | or is there something to replace it with |
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| 18:45.54 | tremon | I'd say mirrors.kernel.org is fine, it's the kernel cdn. If you want to change it, use http.debian.net |
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| 18:46.23 | rozie | tremon: not sure how they work. not sure if they mirror sources too |
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| 18:49.08 | lokote_jones | If I am looking for an open source project; preferably that runs under debian - how would I go about finding it? I need a budget,personal inventory, and stuff like that software. Something where I can keep pictures of my computer, sserial numbers, and keep a budget as well as track my work outs... like a life management software. Does that exist? |
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| 18:50.23 | maxorator | how to fix system time? for example update it from some time server or something (just once, no need for regular synchronization) |
| 18:51.04 | rozie | maxorator: ntpd, ntpdate, hwclock are your friends |
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| 18:58.04 | raptor67782 | i |
| 18:58.25 | raptor67782 | is it possible to install linux on a 32kb ram device?? 8mb sure, but 32kb ....? |
| 18:58.51 | jordanm | not debian |
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| 18:59.18 | tremon | raptor67782: 32kB? |
| 18:59.37 | jordanm | tremon, it's obviously from the 1970s |
| 19:00.02 | raptor67782 | sure |
| 19:00.08 | raptor67782 | or maybe 64kb |
| 19:00.11 | raptor67782 | of ram |
| 19:00.40 | jordanm | raptor67782, is it a commodore 64? |
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| 19:00.44 | raptor67782 | well the problem is that with gcc and ncurses, I doubt that it might be possible |
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| 19:00.51 | raptor67782 | someting similar |
| 19:00.59 | raptor67782 | i would need gcc |
| 19:01.03 | raptor67782 | and linux |
| 19:01.05 | jordanm | you couldn't even run CP/M on 64KB |
| 19:01.11 | tremon | no, linux requires a mmu (memory management unit) in the system. As for the relevance to this channel, the debian installer requires 64MB ram |
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| 19:01.40 | raptor67782 | yeah, but you know .... we can run linux on less than 8mb :) on handheld |
| 19:01.43 | raptor67782 | 80s handhelds |
| 19:03.01 | jordanm | raptor67782, my phone has 4GB of RAM.... |
| 19:03.14 | raptor67782 | look ... |
| 19:03.44 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.09 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.08 | raptor67782 | linux can be even instaalled on a playstation ps1 |
| 19:05.22 | jordanm | that doesn't make it useful |
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| 19:05.36 | rozie | raptor67782: http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit |
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| 19:05.58 | raptor67782 | it might on st : http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?baureihe_id=140 |
| 19:06.11 | raptor67782 | but ok, 32kb or 64kb is very hard |
| 19:06.22 | tremon | how does this apply to debian? |
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| 19:06.37 | tremon | points to ##linux |
| 19:07.04 | raptor67782 | debian is everyhwere |
| 19:07.07 | raptor67782 | eg. http://darksnow.radiolivre.org/jornada/ |
| 19:07.24 | raptor67782 | or could ;) |
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| 19:10.56 | Th0masR0ss | I can't figure out how to set my timezone to EST. I've set tzdata with dpkg-reconfigure but the Xfce clock isn't updating |
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| 19:11.25 | raptor67782 | http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html |
| 19:11.29 | raptor67782 | c64 |
| 19:12.48 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.05 | raptor67782 | sounds imüpossible isnt it_`? |
| 19:13.06 | tremon | Th0masR0ss: quite possibly, xfce has a setting somewhere that overrides the default, or it's somewhere in your own profile (check ~/.bashrc) |
| 19:13.45 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: nothing obvious. |
| 19:14.04 | tremon | the environment variable is TZ |
| 19:14.45 | tremon | if nothing else works, you can probably export TZ=EST in your .bashrc (or .bash_profile) and have it work, but that's a bit of a kludge |
| 19:15.05 | tremon | did you logout/login after changing the default timezone? |
| 19:15.11 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: no, sec |
| 19:15.55 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: same thing |
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| 19:16.33 | Th0masR0ss | still not in ETC |
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| 19:16.41 | symlink | hey guys |
| 19:16.53 | tremon | when you login to a vt (e.g. ctrl-alt-f1), do you get the correct timezone there? |
| 19:17.03 | tremon | (just run date) |
| 19:18.36 | symlink | for some reason my system's non-root users can't write to sd cards, does anyone have an idea why? |
| 19:20.32 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: nope |
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| 19:22.20 | symlink | guys? |
| 19:22.46 | socomm | symlink: check your mount permissions |
| 19:22.50 | tremon | ok, well no need to go look for an xfce setting then. I'm out of suggestions currently, other than the .bashrc kludge |
| 19:23.28 | socomm | Th0masR0ss: does the system clock show correct time? |
| 19:23.43 | socomm | Th0masR0ss: if it does it may just be a XFCE related questions |
| 19:23.47 | ctmjr | Th0masR0ss, shot in the dark check your bios time settings |
| 19:23.56 | tremon | symlink: users also need to be members of the plugdev group iirc |
| 19:24.02 | symlink | how do i do that? |
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| 19:24.34 | tremon | symlink: adduser $user plugdev |
| 19:25.04 | symlink | is it only for sd cards? usb drives r/w operations for users seem to be working fine |
| 19:25.15 | symlink | okay, one second |
| 19:25.49 | tremon | linux doesn't treat usb disks any different from sd cards iirc |
| 19:26.10 | symlink | yah, the users were already part of plugdev |
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| 19:26.40 | symlink | well, apparently it does seeing that i tried about half a dozen sd cards with about 3 different readers with the same results |
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| 19:27.14 | symlink | oh, and on two different debian machines |
| 19:27.14 | Th0masR0ss | ctmjr: BIOS is ok |
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| 19:27.37 | symlink | something's wrong with my settings i reckon |
| 19:27.46 | symlink | or i'm just going crazy |
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| 19:28.32 | tremon | symlink: you can write to them just fine as root? what's the filesystem on those sd cards? |
| 19:28.54 | symlink | yep, the fs is fat32 |
| 19:29.17 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:29.40 | symlink | o hai |
| 19:29.46 | Th0masR0ss | also how do you get out of a virtual terminal? |
| 19:30.11 | tremon | Th0masR0ss: crtl-alt-f7 or f8, depending on where X lives today |
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| 19:30.27 | Azrael_- | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and ran into a php-problem. when apc is enabled i constantly get this message: [apc-warning] Unable to allocate memory for pool. Increasing the shm_size didn't help, only by disabling apc. is it an improvement? how can i solve this error? |
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| 19:37.51 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: those didn't work sadly |
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| 19:38.05 | CheckDavid | Where do I find the package manager, or some utility to facilitate the installation of software on Debian? Thanks for considering. |
| 19:38.21 | Deeps | apt-cache search <blah> |
| 19:38.24 | Deeps | apt-get install <package> |
| 19:38.42 | mtn | CheckDavid: of synaptic, which is most likely in your menu already |
| 19:38.49 | mtn | CheckDavid: or, I meant to say |
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| 19:40.50 | CheckDavid | Thanks mtn I found it |
| 19:41.15 | mtn | CheckDavid: welcome |
| 19:42.23 | tremon | Th0masR0ss: try all between f5 and f12 then, it has to be somewhere :) |
| 19:42.25 | HelenaKitty | Hello I tried reconfiguring udev but now... I failed a reboot. |
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| 19:43.05 | HelenaKitty | "target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init" |
| 19:43.21 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: already did that |
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| 19:44.00 | sanitypassing | is it possible to get gnome 2.x on the latest version of debian? |
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| 19:44.51 | symlink | could anyone please help me with my sd card issue? |
| 19:45.17 | tremon | Th0masR0ss: I have no idea then |
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| 19:50.09 | scorphus | splendid, Iceweasel, the version it is at, is just a gravel in my shoe, Gnome depends on it... Any tips on removing it? I mean, only Iceweasel works as a default browser? Only Iceweasel can install/manage gnome shell extensions? Any help is welcome |
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| 19:51.33 | mtn | scorphus: you can get newer versions of iceweasel and any browser can be default browser. I think chromium can install gnome extensions, too. |
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| 19:52.41 | scorphus | a newer version of Iceweasel would be great, mtn, mine is 17.0.7. I'll try to upgrade it |
| 19:52.58 | mtn | scorphus: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 19:53.32 | scorphus | mnaser: thank you =) |
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| 19:55.28 | scorphus | oh, sorry, that "thank you" was meant to mtn =/ |
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| 19:55.48 | mtn | scorphus: np |
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| 19:57.36 | Th0masR0ss | http://paste.debian.net/18329/ and still http://i.imgur.com/TCZBJVM.png |
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| 19:59.38 | HelenaKitty | guys?! |
| 20:00.13 | brontosaurusrex | girls? |
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| 20:00.49 | scorphus | superb, mtn. Exactly what I needed. Thanks again =) |
| 20:01.29 | jhutchins | HelenaKitty: I would guess that you've b0rked the drivers for the filesystem. Why are you messing with udev? |
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| 20:02.11 | HelenaKitty | jhutchins: because udev was messing up |
| 20:02.30 | HelenaKitty | the system drops to a limited shell at init |
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| 20:02.46 | HelenaKitty | says it can't call /sbin/init |
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| 20:02.51 | jelly-home | people of indeterminate gender?! |
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| 20:03.18 | HelenaKitty | I can't find my=recovery disk |
| 20:04.17 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: is this a pure debian system? |
| 20:04.41 | HelenaKitty | okay I reinstalled udev which removed systemd so I reinstalled that, the kernel is still there, I think ramfs-tools is gone |
| 20:04.42 | jelly-home | imagines a glistening dew drop |
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| 20:06.02 | HelenaKitty | I plugged my pendrive in which was detected by linux however no device node so I am unable to put an ISO onto it |
| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | ,v systemd |
| 20:06.31 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- wheezy: 44-11; jessie: 44-12; sid: 44-12; experimental: 204-1 |
| 20:06.57 | HelenaKitty | systemd is fine! |
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| 20:07.25 | jelly-home | wherefore by "fine" you must mean "systemd does not boot at all" |
| 20:07.36 | jelly-home | system*, sorry |
| 20:07.45 | HelenaKitty | systemd does |
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| 20:08.01 | HelenaKitty | I never said it didn't |
| 20:08.24 | jelly-home | there's a lot of things you do not say |
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| 20:09.43 | HelenaKitty | I got a device node for the OS hard drive |
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| 20:10.03 | Th0masR0ss | is still wondering why EST seems to be the wrong time on his system |
| 20:10.13 | geggam | move the computer |
| 20:10.31 | HelenaKitty | I need one for the pendrive |
| 20:10.32 | geggam | medical reasons to watch breasts http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/doctors-say-looking-busty-women-1107578 |
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| 20:10.48 | geggam | erm.. pushed click too soon |
| 20:10.59 | geggam | disregard ^ |
| 20:12.20 | symlink | guys, why can't my user write to sd cards? |
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| 20:13.15 | geggam | not in disk group... |
| 20:13.23 | geggam | think permissions |
| 20:13.38 | symlink | already checked, everything seems to be fine there |
| 20:13.51 | symlink | or at least i think so |
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| 20:15.14 | symlink | is there a special disk group for sd cards? |
| 20:15.39 | symlink | other than plugdev that is |
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| 20:18.53 | reindeerflotilla | hi guys, I'm truing to get a bluetooth headset working with a raspberry pi running raspbian, full details are up here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8582/setting-up-a-bluetooth-headset Basically I think I can connect to it, but can't figure out how to get it to appear as a sound card with aplay. Not sure if this is the right place to ask, apologies if it's not! |
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| 20:19.04 | reindeerflotilla | trying* |
| 20:19.49 | HelenaKitty | reindeerflotilla: #raspbian |
| 20:20.32 | reindeerflotilla | ah! sorry |
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| 20:35.32 | devios | updating a remote server from squeeze *crosses fingers and notes KVM support costs money* :-) |
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| 20:40.56 | CheckDavid | How do I install flash on Debian? |
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| 20:41.02 | CheckDavid | Apparently it doesn't come as default? |
| 20:41.24 | Th0masR0ss | walks away slowly. |
| 20:41.49 | DammitJim | CheckDavid, flash for what? |
| 20:42.05 | CheckDavid | DammitJim, now that you talk about I also want flash projector. But for now, for the browser. |
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| 20:42.26 | DammitJim | what browser? |
| 20:42.40 | CheckDavid | the default one that comes with debian |
| 20:42.42 | CheckDavid | What's it called again? |
| 20:42.49 | CheckDavid | iceweasel |
| 20:42.52 | Th0masR0ss | iceweasel |
| 20:43.03 | DammitJim | oh |
| 20:43.10 | DammitJim | what version of debian? |
| 20:43.25 | CheckDavid | latest. |
| 20:43.31 | Th0masR0ss | 7.1? |
| 20:43.41 | CheckDavid | how do I check the version? |
| 20:43.52 | CheckDavid | Just to be sure. |
| 20:43.52 | Th0masR0ss | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:43.56 | devios | wishes flash would die in a fire, but realizes flash is here to stay for quite some time, sadly. |
| 20:44.00 | DammitJim | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:44.59 | CheckDavid | 7.1 |
| 20:45.10 | devios | !tell CheckDavid flash |
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| 20:45.33 | devios | !tell flash CheckDavid |
| 20:45.46 | devios | hrm - forget syntax for that |
| 20:45.47 | Th0masR0ss | !tell CheckDavid about flash |
| 20:45.51 | devios | ahha |
| 20:45.56 | devios | thx Th0masR0ss |
| 20:45.57 | CheckDavid | Ah confusing |
| 20:46.17 | CheckDavid | "nstallation |
| 20:46.17 | CheckDavid | Install flashplugin-nonfree (from section contrib). " What would this intend to mean? |
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| 20:48.40 | devios | CheckDavid: flash is not open source software - you're installing a non-open-source binary on a Linux system |
| 20:48.49 | kudu | Is there a way to disable ipv6 without restarting? |
| 20:49.05 | CheckDavid | devios, I wish I was installing anything =) |
| 20:49.12 | nullby7e | why I can't run httpd with every http service, uhttpd, nginx, apache, nothing |
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| 20:49.21 | nullby7e | still site can't be opened, but html code are ok |
| 20:49.23 | CheckDavid | I just don't know how to. |
| 20:49.25 | DammitJim | CheckDavid, |
| 20:49.30 | nullby7e | maybe firewall or i don't know |
| 20:49.39 | DammitJim | all you need to do is add to your /etc/apt/sources.list the option for nonfree |
| 20:49.56 | DammitJim | then apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:50.18 | DammitJim | sorry, add contrib (not nonfree) |
| 20:50.38 | CheckDavid | HOw do I add that? |
| 20:50.50 | DammitJim | so, your line should say something like deb http://ftp.us/debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib |
| 20:50.56 | DammitJim | right now it might only say main |
| 20:51.11 | devios | CheckDavid: understand the sediment but http://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+flash+on+debian+wheezy |
| 20:51.13 | DammitJim | CheckDavid, use a text editor with su privileges to edit the file |
| 20:51.14 | CheckDavid | OH, I am confused, which line may you intend to refer to? |
| 20:51.27 | DammitJim | well, how many do you have? |
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| 20:52.09 | DammitJim | usually it will be the first line that starts with deb |
| 20:52.10 | symlink | guise, how can i check my user's privileges? |
| 20:52.16 | CheckDavid | I just switched to linux today, I am very confused, and trying to set some basic functionality on my desktop. |
| 20:52.17 | DammitJim | just trying to help |
| 20:52.26 | mtn | CheckDavid: use synaptic, go to settings repositories |
| 20:52.26 | DammitJim | CheckDavid, that's fine |
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| 20:52.32 | CheckDavid | Not sure about lines DammitJim sorry. |
| 20:52.40 | DammitJim | oh, does synaptic come standard with wheezy? |
| 20:52.41 | devios | CheckDavid: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/71694 |
| 20:52.46 | CheckDavid | Oh synaptic |
| 20:52.53 | mtn | DammitJim: sure |
| 20:53.02 | DammitJim | that's a good resource, devios |
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| 20:53.12 | otay_ | I have a debian package question (If I make a package on Deb 7, will it work on Deb 6?). Is that a question I should take to #debian-dev? |
| 20:53.21 | DammitJim | oh, my installs never have it but that's probably since I don't install a window manager |
| 20:53.25 | Th0masR0ss | apt-get says I already have libgtk2.0-0 but pkg-config doesn't |
| 20:53.31 | DammitJim | otay_, yes |
| 20:53.40 | symlink | guise? |
| 20:54.02 | CheckDavid | mtn, so I go to synaptic, I get that part, not the second about going to settings repositorie? |
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| 20:54.34 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 20:54.35 | mtn | CheckDavid: look at the menu, see settings? I am not on debian at the moment, so don't have syanptic in front of me |
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| 20:54.42 | otay_ | DammitJim I guess it's a matter of dependancies isn't it? So it seems, as long as the package names for the dependancies don't change, it should be okay? |
| 20:54.58 | DammitJim | probably |
| 20:55.05 | johnfg | I guess I haven't had occasion for acroread to be called within iceweasel since I installed wheezy. |
| 20:55.07 | otay_ | (^dependencies) |
| 20:55.25 | mtn | CheckDavid: http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic |
| 20:55.42 | johnfg | Well, acroread itself was already installed, and I just installed the plugin. However, it doesn't show up when I enter about:plugins. |
| 20:55.45 | CheckDavid | mtn, and what would I do there, apparently I am already installing it. |
| 20:55.53 | johnfg | Do I have to choose it as an alternative? |
| 20:55.54 | CheckDavid | mtn, through synaptic |
| 20:56.12 | mtn | CheckDavid: see the wiki for changing/setting your repositories |
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| 20:57.04 | mtn | CheckDavid: if you want non-free and contrib, turn them on |
| 20:58.24 | CheckDavid | mtn, settings > repositories > other software, and there I see 2 checkboxes, both say the same thing, or apparently, it's a big string with numbers, both end saying non-free |
| 20:58.34 | otay_ | What is the name of the debian developer's channel? |
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| 20:59.05 | CheckDavid | Apparently they are exactly the same thin |
| 20:59.14 | mtn | CheckDavid: non-free and contrib are on the main tab, I think |
| 20:59.17 | devios | CheckDavid: what exactly are the full names of the two options you see in synaptic? |
| 20:59.24 | freeminds | does anyone know whether there are differences between lsof in debian 7 and 6? I am running the exact same code on both machines, but when I check for open socket fd I get 196 in d7, but only 35 in d6. I also get 0x0000000000000000 for the addresses of every fd |
| 20:59.41 | CheckDavid | devios, big names with numbers |
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| 21:00.16 | devios | i give up |
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| 21:00.42 | CheckDavid | devios, Debian GNu/Linux 7.1.0_Wheezy_- Official amd64 netinst Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy contrib main non-free |
| 21:00.50 | CheckDavid | typed manually, sorry if there are any typos |
| 21:01.21 | mtn | CheckDavid: those are your cds, unless you have no internet, they should not be checked. |
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| 21:01.42 | mtn | CheckDavid: what is checked on the first tab? |
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| 21:02.34 | devios | does anyone else agree that it looks like CheckDavid has already enabled the contrib and non-free repositories, and should be able to install the flashplugin-nonfree package in the contrib repository with synaptic or via apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 21:03.01 | Th0masR0ss | pokes devios about aptitude |
| 21:03.15 | CheckDavid | mtn, everything |
| 21:03.26 | mtn | CheckDavid: looks like you are good to go |
| 21:03.47 | devios | Th0masR0ss: ? aptitude-get vs. apt-get? |
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| 21:04.00 | CheckDavid | devios, it's possible, as I said, i tried to install it from synaptic already, maybe it performed the changes automatically? |
| 21:04.02 | johnfg | What would the name of the alternative be to call to change from document viewer to acroread? |
| 21:04.18 | mtn | CheckDavid: close the settings, find seach on the upper bar of the window, type in flashplugin and see what comes up |
| 21:04.38 | CheckDavid | mtn, did that already |
| 21:04.38 | devios | CheckDavid: reopen firefox and try hitting a flash-enabled page in firefox? |
| 21:05.00 | mtn | CheckDavid: is it marked as installed (green box)? |
| 21:05.10 | CheckDavid | mtn, yes |
| 21:05.11 | CheckDavid | ok let me try |
| 21:05.17 | mtn | CheckDavid: it is installed then |
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| 21:06.09 | devios | Th0masR0ss: reading http://superuser.com/questions/93437/aptitude-vs-apt-get-which-is-the-recommended-aka-the-right-tool-to-use - thx |
| 21:06.29 | CheckDavid | mtn, oh ma gawdz, thanks |
| 21:06.33 | CheckDavid | It is working indeed. |
| 21:06.40 | CheckDavid | Thanks mtn and devios |
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| 21:09.12 | Th0masR0ss | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 21:09.14 | Th0masR0ss | er |
| 21:09.20 | Th0masR0ss | hits himself |
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| 21:18.07 | CheckDavid | Also, any clue on how to run flash Projector? |
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| 21:27.01 | jason_hudson | Hi everyone, I'd like to ask a question, I've noticed that IceWeasel on Wheezy is still stuck at 10.0.12, is there a reason for that? |
| 21:27.30 | Vicissitude | it's probably because of the gnome metapackage |
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| 21:36.34 | otay__ | Is there a Debian 6 live CD? I can't find it anywhere! |
| 21:37.20 | johnfg | No thoughts on how to get iceweasel to use the acroread plugin? |
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| 21:38.40 | otay__ | Did they make Live CD's of wheezy? |
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| 21:40.03 | otay__ | checks if he is in the Debian channel |
| 21:40.17 | ImaLamer | http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 21:45.30 | otay__ | clicks the link |
| 21:46.13 | otay__ | Thank you ImaLamer but from there, the links are pointing to version 7. I'm having a hard time finding version 6 (wheezy). |
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| 21:47.12 | Th0masR0ss | otay__: why do you want 6? |
| 21:47.32 | Th0masR0ss | otay__: also 6 is squeeze 7 is wheezy |
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| 21:50.29 | otay__ | that explains why nobody answered me earlier lol. Thank you for that. So, yeah, I don't want to use 6 but the customer doesn't want to upgarde (he is scared to do it) |
| 21:51.19 | otay__ | They have a slew of Deb 6 machines set up already. So I'm trying to target that. However, I'm producing a deb package and it might work on version 6 (if I build from ver 7) |
| 21:51.35 | otay__ | I don't know but hate to waste a bunch of time. |
| 21:52.00 | Th0masR0ss | !tell otay__ about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:52.24 | Th0masR0ss | !tell otay__ about squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 21:52.32 | HelenaKitty | I don't get people sometimes |
| 21:52.45 | otay__ | Yes tell me! I want to *make* the customer upgarde! I NEED the newer gcc! |
| 21:52.55 | Th0masR0ss | otay__: if you give your customer that information they're likely to want to upgrade |
| 21:52.59 | otay__ | (upgard wtf) |
| 21:53.08 | HelenaKitty | an upgrade from 6 to 7 most likely wont fail! |
| 21:54.38 | ImaLamer | otay__: test an upgrade on a non-production machine and show off the fact that it didn't break |
| 21:55.29 | ImaLamer | or tell them Debian and #debian doesn't support them, this isn't OS/2 |
| 21:55.50 | ImaLamer | (I know many of our call centers still run OS/2 on their servers /facepalm) |
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| 22:07.13 | wcwrel | is there a way to run a command with & and display the results in the terminal when it finishes? (i have an app that fetches stuff from web and it takes a few seconds) |
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| 22:11.37 | Aramur | wcwrel: tail has an option to do that |
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| 22:13.25 | wcwrel | aramur: do you have an example for that? |
| 22:14.26 | Aramur | wcwrel: "tail -f what" should follow changes with a sleep interval of 1 second between iterations. |
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| 22:15.49 | Aramur | (I mean redirect the output of the process to a file and watch that file with tail) |
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| 22:16.24 | wcwrel | oh |
| 22:16.27 | wcwrel | neat |
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| 22:17.07 | wcwrel | i'm going to try this |
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| 22:17.42 | wcwrel | Aramur, I want to run command "git jira" , do i pipe this to tail? |
| 22:17.48 | riceandbeans | anyone here good with DHCP? |
| 22:18.22 | wcwrel | i'm not sure how to do what you mean? |
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| 22:23.05 | riceandbeans | wcwrel: I need a DHCP server to tell connecting clients to use options rotate in their configuration files |
| 22:23.22 | wcwrel | why are you singling me out |
| 22:23.27 | wcwrel | i am a debian newbie |
| 22:23.34 | wcwrel | if you need help playing chess |
| 22:23.39 | wcwrel | or possibly php |
| 22:23.41 | wcwrel | let me know |
| 22:23.43 | wcwrel | but not debian |
| 22:25.48 | Aramur | wcwrel: I'm not actually at a linux box to test. Try: "some-command | tail -f &". It should display the output without blocking the script. |
| 22:26.48 | Aramur | wcwrel: for further assistance, there is a channel specifically tailored to this kind of stuff: #bash |
| 22:27.02 | wcwrel | hehe i tried bash |
| 22:27.11 | wcwrel | you are the only one with the tail answer |
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| 22:39.05 | SmashingX | Can I specify the level of compression that I want to use with rar? |
| 22:39.08 | SmashingX | I mean tar |
| 22:39.09 | SmashingX | sorry |
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| 22:40.37 | Rikairchy | yes, SmashingX |
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| 22:40.55 | SmashingX | how Rikairchy? |
| 22:41.22 | CheckDavid | Any clue on how to run flash Projector on Debian? |
| 22:41.28 | phogg | SmashingX: tar doesn't care much about compression, you traditionally tar and then compress. GNU tar (for convenience) knows how to do some kinds of compression. When in doubt, do it in two steps. |
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| 22:42.28 | phogg | SmashingX: e.g. tar cf foo.tar file1 file2 ; xz foo.tar # for xz compression. Add whatever switches you want. |
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| 22:43.29 | SmashingX | where's the level of compression specified in that line? |
| 22:43.39 | SmashingX | I mean just like gzip uses -1 to -9 |
| 22:43.40 | riceandbeans | SmashingX: tar doesn't compress |
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| 22:44.00 | phogg | SmashingX: at the same time GNU tar with z will gzip and with j will bzip2 and with J will xz |
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| 22:44.47 | phogg | riceandbeans: GNU tar can and will compress, but you don't get (AFAIK) to specify the exact options |
| 22:44.55 | riceandbeans | SmashingX: but you can try -I 'gzip -9' |
| 22:45.06 | riceandbeans | phogg: no, GNU tar does not compress |
| 22:45.15 | riceandbeans | GNU tar forks a process to compress |
| 22:45.22 | riceandbeans | it does not itself compress |
| 22:45.36 | phogg | riceandbeans: a technicality in that the user invokes tar |
| 22:45.47 | riceandbeans | if you do not have gzip, GNU tar will not gzip a file |
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| 22:46.04 | phogg | anyway, in that case foe e.g. gzip you can set the GZIP env variable for options |
| 22:46.05 | bez | hi |
| 22:46.11 | SmashingX | that's why the files are .tar.gz? |
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| 22:46.18 | bez | how can I install sfml 2.0 on debian? |
| 22:46.26 | phogg | SmashingX: yes, it's a tar file with gzip compression |
| 22:46.32 | SmashingX | got it |
| 22:46.49 | phogg | SmashingX: but don't use .gz unless you need to for compatibility. In most cases bzip2 is Just Better(tm), or xz for some cases. |
| 22:47.07 | SmashingX | I did a test with a large file |
| 22:47.13 | SmashingX | to see which one was better |
| 22:47.17 | bernat | bzip2 is extremely slow, gzip does a good job |
| 22:47.22 | SmashingX | and in terms of time tar.gz was the fastest |
| 22:47.39 | SmashingX | but in terms of compression, it wasn't that good |
| 22:47.49 | phogg | SmashingX: gzip will be fastest, yes, if compression time is what you want to optimize. Disk space consumption gets better with bzip2 and xz |
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| 22:48.51 | SmashingX | in terms of compression lzma was the best |
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| 22:49.04 | SmashingX | for the test I did |
| 22:49.20 | phogg | SmashingX: so in case you missed it: you can use the env variables GZIP, BZIP2 and XZ_OPT to pass options to the compression programs that tar invokes. |
| 22:49.43 | SmashingX | dang that would become more complicated |
| 22:49.48 | phogg | SmashingX: why? |
| 22:50.13 | SmashingX | hold on let me see what is it in those variables |
| 22:50.30 | SmashingX | $GZIP nothing |
| 22:50.32 | phogg | SmashingX: switches to the commands in all cases |
| 22:50.39 | phogg | SmashingX: nothing... until you set them |
| 22:50.44 | SmashingX | mhhh |
| 22:51.04 | phogg | e.g.: GZIP=-9 tar czf foo.tar.gz |
| 22:51.11 | SmashingX | numbers 1 to 9/ |
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| 22:51.12 | SmashingX | ? |
| 22:51.21 | phogg | SmashingX: for gzip yes, but consult the manuals |
| 22:51.22 | SmashingX | -9? |
| 22:51.33 | SmashingX | I use only tar.g |
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| 22:51.41 | SmashingX | tar.gz, so I don't care about the other ones |
| 22:52.16 | phogg | in that case man gzip... -9 is equivalent to --best (slowest, least disk consumption) |
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| 22:52.54 | SmashingX | mhh |
| 22:53.06 | SmashingX | what if I set the variable to -9? |
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| 22:53.14 | SmashingX | I mean just the variable |
| 22:53.26 | SmashingX | the, everytime I compress is going to be the best? |
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| 22:53.48 | unclouded | can the xfce4 in wheezy use .svgz icons? if not, can I generate a set of .png icons from the .svgz icons I just installed from kde-icons-mono? |
| 22:54.46 | phogg | SmashingX: as long as the variable is in effect, yes |
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| 22:55.16 | phogg | SmashingX: if you set it at the beginning of the line when you invoke tar it will only be set during the execution of tar, not afterwards |
| 22:55.17 | SmashingX | ok |
| 22:55.34 | SmashingX | I just set the variable to be -9 |
| 22:55.38 | SmashingX | just one line |
| 22:56.15 | phogg | "GZIP=-9 tar czf foo.tar.gz files" is the same as "tar cf foo.tar files; gzip -9 foo.tar.gz" (more or less) |
| 22:56.16 | nvz | unclouded: I'd think yes in both cases.. try it and see. |
| 22:56.31 | phogg | er, I mean foo.tar not foo.tar.gz at the end there |
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| 22:57.39 | SmashingX | ok |
| 22:57.58 | CheckDavid | Is gnash a swf player? |
| 22:57.59 | SmashingX | I just don't understand why it is GZIP=-9, isn't GZIP=9? |
| 22:58.04 | SmashingX | phogg: ? |
| 22:58.05 | phogg | CheckDavid: yes |
| 22:58.06 | CheckDavid | I have it on my debian |
| 22:58.24 | CheckDavid | phogg, I was trying to play a flash game, and it popped up gnash, but ti doesn't run it, any clues? |
| 22:58.28 | phogg | SmashingX: because you don't say "gzip 9 file" to get file.gz at compression level 9. You need the - or it doesn't know it's an option. |
| 22:58.48 | SmashingX | o dang you're right |
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| 22:58.56 | phogg | SmashingX: the contents of the variable will literally be passed to gzip as options, e.g.: gzip $GZIP file.tar |
| 22:59.02 | SmashingX | because it is a flag right? |
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| 23:00.30 | unclouded | nvz: after logging out and in again and trying to choose an icon for a launcher, there are still only about 15 icons to choose from ("All Icons") so I guess it's not picking up .svgz icons. how might I render the whole set at, say, 48x48? |
| 23:01.29 | CheckDavid | Can anyone help me run standaolone .swf files on Debian? |
| 23:01.32 | unclouded | I could try a script with imagemagick but I wonder if there's a better way |
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| 23:03.27 | nvz | unclouded: imagemagick would be the most straighforeward and I don't think there is any need for a script I was about to test it |
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| 23:04.39 | unclouded | nvz: no worries, I'll test. nice to know imagemagick can convert recursively |
| 23:05.16 | nvz | unclouded: yes mogrify -format png *.svgz basically |
| 23:05.43 | nvz | unclouded: that will however result in files being named .png.svgz though I believe |
| 23:05.46 | unclouded | maybe "convert". don't want to trash the svgs! |
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| 23:06.35 | nvz | unclouded: are you sure its not seeing them simply because its not looking in the location the files are in? |
| 23:07.13 | unclouded | possibly. how would I tell xfce to look in /usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/*? |
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| 23:08.07 | nvz | unclouded: idk.. I never used xfce I just know there is usually a difference between looking at a default location and specifying it manually.. any desktop I ever used it allows you to select the path when choosing an icon |
| 23:08.09 | ChrisW | how can I find out what packages are needed to *build* a particular package on debian? |
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| 23:08.26 | nvz | ChrisW: do you just wanna know, or do you want to install them? |
| 23:09.04 | nvz | ChrisW: apt-get build-dep foo, will install all the build dependencies |
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| 23:09.40 | CheckDavid | Hello, My Gnash 0.8.11dev is not working apparently it doesn't run my swf, it's a game. |
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| 23:10.38 | ChrisW | nvz thanks, just want to know them... |
| 23:10.59 | nvz | CheckDavid: my only thoughts on that matter is that Gnash is using an open source flash and that a game may use more of the API than is implemented.. you may need adobe flash |
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| 23:13.33 | johnfg | Anyone know why acroread-plugin doesn't show up in iceweasel? |
| 23:13.44 | nvz | CheckDavid: then add -s |
| 23:13.48 | nvz | ChrisW: add -s |
| 23:13.51 | johnfg | Again, this is on wheezy. |
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| 23:15.48 | bernat | wheezy doesn't have acroread, right? |
| 23:16.27 | nvz | bernat: you can view pdfs with xpdf among other things |
| 23:16.40 | johnfg | bernat: If you install it from adobe it does. |
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| 23:16.57 | bernat | oops, I was asking JohnDoh |
| 23:17.26 | bernat | johnfg |
| 23:17.57 | johnfg | bernat: k |
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| 23:20.06 | ChrisW | *nods* |
| 23:20.30 | ChrisW | I'm trying to compile and ancient version of python (2.4) on Debian Wheezy, it keeps on skipping zlib support, which I need |
| 23:20.31 | ChrisW | any ideas? |
| 23:20.34 | HelenaKitty | what package is /sbin/init a part of? :o |
| 23:21.03 | johnfg | bernat: If you want acroread, you need to add deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free to your sources.list |
| 23:21.04 | bernat | HelenaKitty, dpkg -S /sbin/init |
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| 23:21.27 | unclouded | nvz: beautiful. converted one file. had to install librsvg2-bin first though |
| 23:21.41 | nvz | unclouded: cool |
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| 23:22.21 | HelenaKitty | bernat: dpkg`query error |
| 23:22.30 | nvz | you can also use mozplugger to do this kinda thing if you must read pdfs INSIDE the browser.. but for some reason it was not in Wheezy so you'd have to install it from squeeze or backport from sid |
| 23:22.32 | HelenaKitty | that file is missing |
| 23:22.52 | bernat | sry, dpkg -S "/sbin/init" |
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| 23:23.14 | bernat | missing? |
| 23:23.52 | HelenaKitty | bernat: Still doesn't work. |
| 23:24.03 | johnfg | nvz: That was to me, right? |
| 23:24.11 | HelenaKitty | yeah my system is broken. |
| 23:24.16 | bernat | HelenaKitty, that file doesn't exist in your system? |
| 23:24.24 | nvz | johnfg: idk.. I think everyone is a little confused who wants to do what with pdfs at this point in time |
| 23:24.28 | HelenaKitty | nope |
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| 23:24.45 | HelenaKitty | I need to know what package it is from. |
| 23:24.57 | nvz | I tell bernat, bernat tells you, you tell bernat.. heh.. so I just gave up directing it to anyone in particular |
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| 23:25.57 | johnfg | nvz: I do see it in sid, i.e., mozplugger. Seems like that should have been in NEWS.debian for acroread-plugins, if it's needed but isn't included, eh? |
| 23:26.36 | bernat | I just asked about acroread to point it out that it isn't in Wheezy |
| 23:26.42 | nvz | johnfg: first of all anything to do with acroread is off topic here.. neither I nor anyone else is talking about acroread.. its proprietary and not in debian.. |
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| 23:27.08 | nvz | johnfg: if you want to read pdfs inside the browser, then there are other ways of doing it.. which ARE on topic here.. THAT is what I am trying to tell you |
| 23:27.16 | bernat | johnfg, you should follow Adobe instructions |
| 23:27.32 | johnfg | nvz: What I want is that when I click on a pdf in a browser, viz. iceweasel on my wheezy, either acroread reads it, or it shows up as an option. |
| 23:27.32 | bernat | or use packages available in Debian |
| 23:27.39 | bernat | and deb-multimedia isn't Debian |
| 23:28.26 | nvz | johnfg: then you and I got nothing to talk about.. and this whole discussion is off topic.. if you wanna read a pdf inside a browser thats understandable.. and we have ways of doing that.. acroread isn't one of em |
| 23:29.26 | HelenaKitty | bernat: I am trying to fix a system that wont boot cause there is no init. |
| 23:29.31 | johnfg | I can accept that, reluctantly, but don't see how it would be off-topic to talk about a program that should run on debian. |
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| 23:30.25 | bernat | HelenaKitty, I wouldn't try to fix it, better install a new system |
| 23:30.41 | nvz | johnfg: because its made by adobe and not part of the debian system this is a high volume channel where Debian users help other Debian users with Debian stuff.. as volunteers.. its not fair to everyone if we sit around wasting the time and screen space in this channel debugging stuff we don't even know anything about. Thats Adobe's job to support thier software |
| 23:30.49 | HelenaKitty | bernat: I wouldrather fix it. |
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| 23:33.39 | bernat | HelenaKitty, you need sysvinit |
| 23:34.11 | RobbyF | whats with this error: Deluge restart failed: Couldn't lis Deluge restart failed: Couldn't listen on any:/home/robbyf/.config/deluge/ipc/deluge-gtk: Cannot acquire lock.ten on any:/home/robbyf/.config/deluge/ipc/deluge-gtk: Cannot acquire lock. |
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| 23:39.58 | RobbyF | nvm |
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| 23:50.59 | sheap | how do I add the broadcom bcm4312 firmware to a usb to use it for a netinstall? |
| 23:51.15 | sheap | I've tried it as a deb package and as a tarball but it's not detected |
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| 23:51.37 | bez | how can I install sfml 2.0 on debian? |
| 23:52.52 | jmcnaught | sheap: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/ the images here have the firmware included |
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| 23:53.59 | nvz | sheap: a deb package is an ar archive |
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| 23:55.16 | sheap | jmcnaught: ty |
| 23:56.14 | msl09 | Hi. What do I do if I believe there was a possible security breach on my debian |
| 23:56.16 | msl09 | ? |
| 23:56.24 | somiaj | msl09: reinstall from scratch |
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| 23:56.28 | nvz | sheap: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en y'know.. the release notes.. |
| 23:56.36 | somiaj | msl09: if you think your machine has been compermised tehre is no way to know what is hiding on your system. |
| 23:56.54 | somiaj | msl09: there are programs like chkrootkit and the like you can run to check for things. |
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| 23:58.01 | msl09 | reinstall from scratch looks very sound even if extreme |
| 23:58.05 | daveee123 | touchegg works on Ubuntu and a few other distros. But i have not been able to get it to work for debian. anyone know of a way to get multitouch support for more complex gestures than synaptics offers? |
| 23:58.22 | ctmjr | msl09, first question is what makes you think this |
| 23:58.28 | somiaj | msl09: will probabaly want to change all your user passwords and be careful of any data you back up as well. |
| 23:58.31 | bernat | msl09, you can do some checks but booting from an uncompromised system |
| 23:59.22 | msl09 | I'm booting from a live-cd on the same machine |
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