| 00:00.40 | sheap | nvz sorry for wasting your time |
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| 00:01.24 | unclouded | nvz: did "for f in `ls`; do convert -resize 48x48 $f $f.png; done" in the end. then "chmod 644 *png" because I have restrictive umask and had to move them to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps before XFCE would see them. XFCE ignored them when they were in /usr/share/icons/mono/48x48/apps |
| 00:02.07 | unclouded | but now have tons of lovely icons to choose from so cheers! |
| 00:02.12 | somiaj | unclouded: I would have done for f in *png; (: |
| 00:02.41 | unclouded | *svgz ;) |
| 00:02.52 | unclouded | I wanted to convert from svgz to png |
| 00:02.53 | somiaj | unclouded: though just habbit to restrict the files I use |
| 00:03.04 | unclouded | but good point |
| 00:03.06 | somiaj | yea I do lots of for convert loops |
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| 00:04.09 | clue_h | Debian is awesome. |
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| 00:05.25 | unclouded | clue_h: hell yes. I tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 with RAID-1 the other day and it wouldn't work even when I set up the md myself. Debian wheezy didn't even require any manual work do install. Debian: 1, Ubuntu: 0 |
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| 00:06.46 | acerspyro | Hello, I have Debian on an iMac G3 computer. Can anyone help me with that? |
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| 00:07.11 | somiaj | acerspyro: those are ppc still right? There is a #debian-ppc on irc.oftc.net I belive |
| 00:07.18 | bernat | acerspyro, do you want to donate it? |
| 00:07.18 | somiaj | acerspyro: though you can ask more specific questions here too |
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| 00:07.27 | acerspyro | bernat: nope |
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| 00:07.53 | nvz | unclouded: cool.. so did you happen to try moving one of the svgz files to see if it'd use em when they were in the right location? |
| 00:08.11 | somiaj | acerspyro: oh looks like it is #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:08.13 | acerspyro | Ok, so I can't get X to start, even with the specified refresh rate for the screen, I see multi-colored lines |
| 00:08.46 | somiaj | acerspyro: I would check the xorg logs and see what video drivers/settings it is using |
| 00:08.51 | unclouded | nvz: no, although I'll try that |
| 00:08.53 | somiaj | acerspyro: /var/log/Xorg.0.log most likely. |
| 00:08.54 | bernat | is it Wheezy? |
| 00:08.56 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 00:10.26 | acerspyro | bernat: were you chatting to me? |
| 00:10.31 | bernat | yes |
| 00:10.35 | acerspyro | Nope |
| 00:10.41 | bernat | which version? |
| 00:10.46 | acerspyro | Of iMac? |
| 00:10.50 | acerspyro | G3 500 |
| 00:10.52 | bernat | Debian |
| 00:10.55 | acerspyro | oh |
| 00:11.07 | acerspyro | 6.0? |
| 00:11.10 | acerspyro | idk? |
| 00:11.18 | somiaj | 6.0 is squeeze and 7.0 is wheezy |
| 00:11.31 | acerspyro | oh |
| 00:11.46 | bernat | what's in /etc/debian_version? |
| 00:11.49 | acerspyro | Doesn't says Squeeze or Wheezy |
| 00:12.04 | acerspyro | 6.0.6 |
| 00:12.43 | bernat | do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 00:12.47 | acerspyro | Nope |
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| 00:12.52 | acerspyro | It's not generating |
| 00:13.01 | acerspyro | I have a /root/xorg.conf.new, tho |
| 00:13.23 | bondo| | i have a folder with 12 million files. I want to compare a copy to see if it has an equal number of files and if there missing files which subfolders they are in. what's the quickest way |
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| 00:14.23 | somiaj | if you don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file xorg will try to detect your settings for you, seems to be doing this wrong |
| 00:14.24 | bondo| | BZZzt time's up yo lose |
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| 00:14.42 | somiaj | acerspyro: but first look though the logs to see what it is detecting, and then figure out what it should be so you acn add the few config lines you may need |
| 00:15.15 | nvz | bondo|: heh |
| 00:16.07 | bernat | acerspyro, also, pastebin "lspci -v" output |
| 00:16.11 | acerspyro | somiaj: full of errors somewhere about "FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO" |
| 00:16.26 | acerspyro | bernat: I'm on my openSuSE right now |
| 00:16.29 | bernat | pastebin your xorg log and lspci output |
| 00:16.55 | acerspyro | I'll figure how to plug a media in my iMac :P |
| 00:17.11 | acerspyro | Will USB 2.0 medias word in an USB 1.0 plug? |
| 00:17.14 | bernat | can you lspci? |
| 00:17.17 | acerspyro | work* |
| 00:17.26 | bernat | yes |
| 00:18.04 | acerspyro | Yeah I can lspci-v |
| 00:18.19 | bernat | no network? |
| 00:18.26 | acerspyro | Piped it to a file, can I use my iPod shuffle to transfer? |
| 00:18.29 | acerspyro | No network |
| 00:18.41 | acerspyro | My only wire's on this comp :P |
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| 00:18.52 | bernat | ok |
| 00:19.06 | nvz | acerspyro: yes USB 2.0 works on 1.x and yes you can use an ipod shuffle as a mass storage device |
| 00:19.14 | bernat | just wanted to see your graphics hardware id |
| 00:19.32 | acerspyro | What does this ID look like? |
| 00:19.36 | acerspyro | I'll tell you |
| 00:19.40 | nvz | acerspyro: 1234:5678 |
| 00:19.52 | nvz | acerspyro: and he meant lspci -nn |
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| 00:20.15 | acerspyro | ok |
| 00:20.46 | Th0masR0ss | is there an application that takes a screenshot and uploads it to imgur or a different service and then adds the link to my clipboard? |
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| 00:21.16 | acerspyro | Display Controller? |
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| 00:21.26 | bernat | yes |
| 00:21.31 | acerspyro | 1002:5452 |
| 00:22.45 | jmcnaught | just curious, where would one search for a device ID like above? is there a specific reference or just google? |
| 00:22.48 | somiaj | Th0masR0ss: scrot or imagemagick can take screen shots, then you may have to script it to upload it to a webpage |
| 00:22.49 | nvz | for the record neither lspci or lspci -v show the hardware ids |
| 00:23.00 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: lspci -nn |
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| 00:23.10 | acerspyro | I think, actually :P |
| 00:23.12 | nvz | jmcnaught: Kenshi Muto has a debian hardware compatibility list, google debian hcl, you'll find it |
| 00:23.15 | Th0masR0ss | somiaj: just spent ~1 hour trying to make xfce4-screenshooter do it, damnit |
| 00:23.19 | jmcnaught | nvz: thanks |
| 00:23.39 | somiaj | Th0masR0ss: I'm unsure what is needed to upload a file to imgur |
| 00:23.41 | themill | Th0masR0ss: ksnapshot |
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| 00:23.52 | bernat | it's an ATI Rage 128 Pro |
| 00:24.16 | somiaj | Th0masR0ss: http://imgur.com/apps seems they list an app that does it. |
| 00:24.20 | acerspyro | bernat: I know that |
| 00:24.27 | acerspyro | You should have asked me |
| 00:24.39 | bernat | do you have the driver package installed? |
| 00:24.48 | acerspyro | What is it called? |
| 00:24.54 | somiaj | Th0masR0ss: appears they are some scripts listed tehre you can get. |
| 00:24.56 | bernat | it's xserver-xorg-video-r128 |
| 00:25.10 | acerspyro | How do I check if it's installed? |
| 00:25.22 | bernat | dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-r128 |
| 00:25.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg-video-r128 |
| 00:25.32 | acerspyro | ha |
| 00:25.53 | themill | dpkg: botspank |
| 00:25.53 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
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| 00:26.40 | acerspyro | ii = installed? |
| 00:26.46 | bernat | hehe |
| 00:26.55 | acerspyro | dpkg: hi |
| 00:26.55 | dpkg | hello |
| 00:27.08 | acerspyro | Pretty brillant bot |
| 00:27.11 | bernat | you should pastebin your xorg log for others to see |
| 00:27.19 | acerspyro | ok |
| 00:27.22 | acerspyro | Imma transfer it |
| 00:27.49 | nvz | or just put the machine online and install screen and irssi |
| 00:27.51 | nvz | heh |
| 00:28.00 | nvz | and pastebinit |
| 00:28.09 | acerspyro | nvz: ok |
| 00:28.13 | acerspyro | Erm |
| 00:28.21 | acerspyro | Can I use PasteBin without an UI? |
| 00:28.26 | bernat | yes |
| 00:28.30 | acerspyro | k |
| 00:28.38 | nvz | !patebinit |
| 00:28.44 | nvz | !info patebinit |
| 00:28.50 | nvz | can't spell |
| 00:28.56 | nvz | !info pastebinit |
| 00:29.06 | themill | !pastebinit |
| 00:29.06 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 00:29.23 | nvz | yeah the factoid is quicker than the package lookup |
| 00:29.33 | themill | nvz: if you want package lookup, use judd. |
| 00:29.49 | nvz | I don't really know how to use judd other than for version checks |
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| 00:29.58 | acerspyro | Where does debian usually mount USB devidces? |
| 00:30.00 | themill | ,info pastebinit |
| 00:30.01 | acerspyro | devices* |
| 00:30.01 | judd | Package pastebinit (misc, optional) in wheezy/i386: command-line pastebin client. Version: 1.3-4; Size: 41.7k; Installed: 426k; Homepage: http://launchpad.net/pastebinit/ |
| 00:30.17 | bernat | acerspyro, /media |
| 00:30.33 | acerspyro | Right, stupid me who thought it was /mount |
| 00:30.33 | themill | nvz: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 00:30.40 | nvz | acerspyro: it doesn't unless you have something that automounts installed.. |
| 00:30.58 | acerspyro | I typed mount udev |
| 00:31.40 | nvz | themill: hmm interesting.. I didn't know there were references like that... I learned to use the blootbot or whatever its called now through lots of trial and error |
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| 00:34.25 | daveee123 | can anyone help me fix this? this is the output of apt-get build-essential http://pastebin.com/vBKKQQUn |
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| 00:34.50 | nvz | daveee123: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:34.52 | dimitry7 | hello guys. I am doing Rsync from one server to another. I am syncing about 2 TB of files... I keep old files from 2008 or 2009 which I don't what to backup. I elaborated this command but it shows no output... could you tell me if it is correct please? |
| 00:34.57 | acerspyro | Haha, where's the log already? |
| 00:34.58 | dimitry7 | rsync -auExvz --delete `find /var/fileserver/ -mtime 1660` tonycolin@192.168.1.28:/var/fileserver/ |
| 00:34.58 | acerspyro | :P |
| 00:35.00 | daveee123 | i had some ubuntu repositories in my source.list temporarly to install touchegg. i new it was risky, but after removing everything |
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| 00:35.18 | daveee123 | i cannot get build-essential to be apt-get |
| 00:35.26 | dimitry7 | * wanto, sorry |
| 00:35.27 | dimitry7 | * want |
| 00:35.32 | th0r | daveee123, how about |
| 00:35.33 | daveee123 | nvz: that isn't working |
| 00:35.49 | nvz | daveee123: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 00:35.55 | th0r | daveee123, <darn!> How about 'apt-get install build-essential |
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| 00:36.37 | daveee123 | nvz: good call. it says the version is 2.17-0ubuntu |
| 00:36.39 | acerspyro | bernat: where's the log file? |
| 00:36.42 | acerspyro | I forgot |
| 00:36.50 | nvz | daveee123: yeah you're screwed.. gotta restore backup or reinstall |
| 00:37.03 | daveee123 | nvz: seriously?? shitshitshit |
| 00:37.14 | daveee123 | nvz: no way to delete it or overwrite it? |
| 00:37.42 | nvz | daveee123: there are theoretical downgrade proceedures but I doubt even they address issues like you got right now.. heh |
| 00:37.58 | nvz | you just effectively upgraded to ubuntu |
| 00:38.00 | nvz | heh |
| 00:38.01 | daveee123 | nvz: ok, is it possible to reinstall while keeping my files in order? |
| 00:38.01 | bernat | acerspyro, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:38.04 | daveee123 | nvz: shit |
| 00:38.06 | acerspyro | ok ty |
| 00:38.11 | daveee123 | nvz: i'm so fucking dumb |
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| 00:38.23 | nvz | daveee123: well by your files you mean your /home basically right? |
| 00:38.28 | daveee123 | nvz: i have a live install on a disc |
| 00:38.44 | daveee123 | nvz: yea, a few .desktop files in /usr/share/applications |
| 00:38.52 | daveee123 | nvz: but that's really it |
| 00:38.54 | nvz | daveee123: its easiest when /home is on a separate partition.. but probably fairly doable otherwise |
| 00:39.23 | acerspyro | It's copying |
| 00:39.30 | daveee123 | nvz: so, i am gonna lose irc contact. how exaclty is a reinstall carried out. i have a live install USB stick |
| 00:39.32 | dimitry7 | hey |
| 00:39.36 | nvz | basically you'd just install without formatting.. and may want to manually delete everything but /home to avoid having cruft the package system doesn't know about |
| 00:39.36 | dimitry7 | mochilones |
| 00:39.43 | acerspyro | daveee123: get an IRc client on your phone |
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| 00:40.05 | acerspyro | I have IRC on my Nintendo DS :P |
| 00:40.10 | daveee123 | nvz: ok. gonna do it now |
| 00:40.16 | daveee123 | nvz: see you on the other side |
| 00:40.19 | nvz | daveee123: if you have /home on a separate partition then you can just format / and not /home |
| 00:41.24 | daveee123 | nvz: that may be the case. how exacly can i check. i put most of the OS in a 20GB partition |
| 00:41.54 | nvz | cfdisk, gparted, one of those kinda utils or just df for that matter |
| 00:41.56 | acerspyro | Log coming in! |
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| 00:42.21 | nvz | daveee123: df should show mounted filesystems |
| 00:42.26 | daveee123 | nvz: yup. seperate partitions |
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| 00:42.50 | nvz | daveee123: yeah well that makes it easy then.. just copy anything else you want to save into your /home.. take note of which partition is /home |
| 00:43.03 | daveee123 | nvz: awesome. thanks a bunch |
| 00:43.04 | nvz | daveee123: then just remember not to format that partition when you run through the installer.. |
| 00:43.25 | acerspyro | Wow, that's a pretty long paste |
| 00:43.58 | bernat | I'm going, bye |
| 00:44.03 | acerspyro | bye |
| 00:44.04 | bernat | good luck acerspyro |
| 00:44.06 | acerspyro | Thanks |
| 00:44.10 | acerspyro | Anyone else assigned to me |
| 00:44.58 | bernat | just paste the url to your pastebin and anyone will look at it |
| 00:45.03 | acerspyro | But |
| 00:45.09 | acerspyro | Pastebin died |
| 00:45.14 | acerspyro | :( |
| 00:45.20 | acerspyro | My paste was too long |
| 00:46.16 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: how big is the file? |
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| 00:46.36 | acerspyro | 688,258 lines |
| 00:46.54 | acerspyro | 31 MB |
| 00:46.56 | acerspyro | :o |
| 00:47.19 | acerspyro | I'll upload it to MediaFire >.> |
| 00:47.19 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: maybe you could edit a copy of the log file and select some of the errors? it's probably a lot of the same stuff repeated over and over right? |
| 00:47.46 | acerspyro | yeah |
| 00:48.45 | acerspyro | 90% of the file is the same thing over and over again... |
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| 00:48.55 | acerspyro | And another program died :P |
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| 00:51.22 | acerspyro | jmcnaught |
| 00:51.30 | acerspyro | I have spam about R128 |
| 00:51.35 | acerspyro | Probably my video driver |
| 00:51.39 | acerspyro | Rage 128 |
| 00:51.55 | acerspyro | Looks like it's stuck in a loop |
| 00:53.07 | acerspyro | (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE stop -9 (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE start -9 (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE idle -9 (EE) R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine... |
| 00:53.13 | acerspyro | It keeps spamming that |
| 00:53.16 | acerspyro | Any ideas? |
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| 00:53.31 | jmcnaught | i don't know, i'm not really familiar with that hardware |
| 00:53.45 | acerspyro | iMac G3 500 |
| 00:53.56 | jmcnaught | i did find a site that has xorg.conf files for various old imacs: http://mac.linux.be/content/g3-imac-tray-loader-slotloader-all-versions-xorgconf |
| 00:54.04 | acerspyro | I tried it |
| 00:54.16 | acerspyro | But my Xorg doesn't seems to load the file at all |
| 00:54.34 | acerspyro | I just need my Kate to stop freezing -_- |
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| 00:55.00 | jmcnaught | where are you putting the file? |
| 00:55.06 | acerspyro | ? |
| 00:55.14 | acerspyro | On PasteBin |
| 00:55.20 | acerspyro | But it's 31 MB |
| 00:55.26 | jmcnaught | no sorry, i meant where are you putting the xorg.conf file? |
| 00:55.31 | acerspyro | oh |
| 00:55.40 | acerspyro | in /etc/ X11 |
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| 00:56.33 | p3rror | hello |
| 00:56.37 | jmcnaught | does the same problem happen whether you have the xorg.conf file present or not? |
| 00:56.41 | acerspyro | OH NOES |
| 00:56.44 | p3rror | what are technologie behind pingdom ? |
| 00:56.46 | acerspyro | GENERAL LAG |
| 00:57.00 | acerspyro | ok, lag's gone |
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| 00:57.08 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: yes |
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| 00:57.46 | acerspyro | But it seems to try to read /root/xorg,conf.new instead |
| 00:58.05 | jmcnaught | are you using startx or something? |
| 00:58.45 | acerspyro | nope |
| 00:58.48 | acerspyro | X |
| 00:58.56 | jmcnaught | running as root? |
| 00:59.03 | acerspyro | Yes |
| 00:59.18 | acerspyro | Should I try as user? |
| 00:59.43 | jmcnaught | yeah.. for one thing it probably won't try to use the file in /root |
| 01:00.17 | acerspyro | Uhh, wtf? |
| 01:00.26 | acerspyro | "Unable to determine your TTY name" |
| 01:00.47 | acerspyro | Okay, REBOOT! |
| 01:01.04 | jmcnaught | what command have you been using to start X? |
| 01:01.08 | acerspyro | X |
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| 01:01.36 | jmcnaught | i would try startx as a regular user |
| 01:01.42 | acerspyro | ok |
| 01:01.44 | rryoumaa | how do you tell if an external hard drive will be bootable? |
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| 01:02.06 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: without and with the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (try without it first) |
| 01:02.18 | acerspyro | ok |
| 01:05.13 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: computer crashed |
| 01:05.32 | Th0masR0ss | How come aptitude thinks a lot of packages are from untrusted sources |
| 01:05.34 | acerspyro | Black screen, doesn't accepts input |
| 01:05.35 | Th0masR0ss | ? |
| 01:05.56 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: was that before, during or after the reboot? |
| 01:06.14 | acerspyro | It always did it when using X |
| 01:06.18 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: because you don't have keys properly configured for the mirror |
| 01:06.18 | themill | Th0masR0ss: rerun "aptitude update" |
| 01:06.36 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: try Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or whatever that is on a mac keyboard) |
| 01:06.41 | acerspyro | did |
| 01:06.45 | acerspyro | Nothing happens |
| 01:06.55 | acerspyro | Can't even toggle Caps lock or Num Lock |
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| 01:07.45 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: is there a GRUB prompt at boot? maybe select the rescue option and move that /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a different directory |
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| 01:08.01 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: the computer is still usable |
| 01:08.10 | acerspyro | just when I use an Xorg command |
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| 01:08.44 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: what Xorg command did you use to freeze the computer? |
| 01:08.58 | acerspyro | Anything that starts the X server |
| 01:09.04 | acerspyro | startx, X, Xorg... |
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| 01:09.58 | acerspyro | Where do you want me to move the file to? |
| 01:10.25 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: your home folder is fine, somewhere you can find it again |
| 01:10.31 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 01:11.54 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: so just to be clear, when the computer starts up it brings you to a text mode terminal? |
| 01:12.19 | acerspyro | Yep |
| 01:12.31 | acerspyro | I'm fine till I start the server |
| 01:12.40 | acerspyro | Then the computer stops answering |
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| 01:18.10 | acerspyro | jmcnaught |
| 01:18.10 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: did you try running startx with no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 01:18.19 | acerspyro | Yes, it crashes |
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| 01:18.43 | reavengrey | answer the question |
| 01:18.46 | reavengrey | did u |
| 01:18.47 | acerspyro | I also removed xorg.conf.new from my home folder and it stopped trying to load it |
| 01:19.19 | acerspyro | reavengrey: are you talking to me? |
| 01:19.37 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: and you're doing this as a regular user now, not as root? |
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| 01:20.08 | acerspyro | yes |
| 01:20.15 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: do you recall the URL you got the xorg.conf from? |
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| 01:20.23 | acerspyro | Yep, wait a sec |
| 01:20.31 | acerspyro | http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.ca/2009/11/imac-xorgconf-ppc-all-versions.html |
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| 01:22.07 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: section for iMacs 500, 600 and 700 |
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| 01:26.39 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: could you edit that xorg.conf file, comment out the line that reads 'Load "dri"', then put the file back in /etc/X11 and run startx again? |
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| 01:26.54 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 01:27.36 | daveee123 | nvz: it worked perfectly. the computer lives! thanks so much for the help!!! |
| 01:27.47 | daveee123 | good night #debian |
| 01:27.48 | nvz | daveee123: not a problem |
| 01:27.55 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: i did a google search on that error message that was repeated a bunch in your log. others were reporting (a long time ago ;) that there's a bug related to DRI with that r128 driver |
| 01:28.06 | acerspyro | ok |
| 01:28.25 | acerspyro | Crash again |
| 01:28.30 | acerspyro | X crashed |
| 01:28.34 | acerspyro | Not the computer |
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| 01:28.54 | jmcnaught | as in, it failed to load and dumped an error message on the screen? |
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| 01:29.19 | acerspyro | xinit: No such file or directory (Error No. 2): Unable to connect to X server |
| 01:29.39 | acerspyro | xinit: No such process (error 3): Server error. |
| 01:29.51 | acerspyro | It stopped because of a bus error |
| 01:30.02 | acerspyro | Like something that didn't start? |
| 01:30.24 | acerspyro | I also have a debugging backtrace |
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| 01:30.57 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: can you pastebin it? |
| 01:31.01 | acerspyro | Last message was: (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/x11/xorg/conf.d" |
| 01:31.14 | acerspyro | xorg.conf.d* |
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| 01:31.37 | acerspyro | Pastebin what? |
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| 01:32.00 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: the errors that display on the screen when you run startx |
| 01:32.38 | acerspyro | ok |
| 01:32.48 | acerspyro | I'll pipe them |
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| 01:34.09 | acerspyro | Hum |
| 01:34.15 | acerspyro | "Why u no pipe!?!?!?" |
| 01:35.15 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: It's not letting me pipe the output |
| 01:35.40 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: are you doing something like "startx 2> errors.txt" ? |
| 01:35.53 | acerspyro | startx > ~/pipe01 |
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| 01:36.51 | acerspyro | ok |
| 01:36.56 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: try "startx 1>&2 errors.txt" |
| 01:36.58 | acerspyro | with 2>, it's piping |
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| 01:37.29 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: the 2 stands for standard error (as opposed to the standard output) |
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| 01:38.02 | acerspyro | oh ok |
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| 01:42.19 | acerspyro | http://pastebin.com/ZfLJsqaE |
| 01:42.21 | acerspyro | Here |
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| 01:46.54 | elkingrey | I have Qt Creator installed, and I'm trying to find the directory that stores all of it's images. Where do programs store all of their files anyways? |
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| 01:47.12 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: still there? |
| 01:47.24 | jk- | elkingrey: did you install it from a .deb? or apt? |
| 01:47.27 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: yeah i'm just googling for you |
| 01:47.35 | acerspyro | Ok, sorry, just making sure |
| 01:47.37 | jk- | el-linedash: if yes, dpkg -L <package> |
| 01:47.44 | jk- | err, ^ elkingrey |
| 01:47.48 | elkingrey | jk-: Synaptic package manager. |
| 01:48.22 | jk- | el-linedash: ok, cool. `dpkg -L qtcreator` |
| 01:48.24 | jk- | argh |
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| 01:48.43 | jk- | ^ elkingrey , again :) |
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| 01:49.10 | elkingrey | jk-: Thanks! |
| 01:49.32 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: i can't find a solution for you. my advice would be to try using wheezy (maybe it's a bug that's been fixed since squeeze?) or perhaps someone in #debian-ppc on OFTC might know what to do |
| 01:49.34 | jk- | acerspyro: do you have a radeon card in your machine? could you add the output of `lspci` to your paste? |
| 01:49.46 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: out of curiousity, has this machine ever worked with linux? |
| 01:49.54 | acerspyro | No |
| 01:50.06 | acerspyro | Not with graphics, anyways |
| 01:50.45 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: it looks like a lot of folks have had similar problems |
| 01:51.11 | acerspyro | If MacOS can work, linux can work too |
| 01:51.24 | acerspyro | I'll make sure to post my workaround if I end up with one |
| 01:51.36 | acerspyro | is going toward success |
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| 01:52.28 | acerspyro | Btw, debianppc is silent |
| 01:52.44 | jmcnaught | it must be nap time |
| 01:52.52 | acerspyro | :P |
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| 01:54.01 | acerspyro | jk-: sorry I haven't answered you on time, ATI Rage 500 |
| 01:54.04 | acerspyro | 128* |
| 01:54.09 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: well good luck. you could try to keep tweaking that xorg.conf file, selectively disabling modules and toggling options. like i said there are quite a few posts online with similar problems. i hope you figure it out :) |
| 01:54.13 | jk- | acerspyro: ah, ok. |
| 01:54.28 | acerspyro | ok, thanks alot jmcnaught |
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| 01:56.04 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: hey, maybe change the line 'Option "UseFBDev" "false"' to true |
| 01:56.23 | acerspyro | In xorg.conf? |
| 01:56.27 | jmcnaught | yeah |
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| 01:57.54 | acerspyro | Hum |
| 01:58.03 | acerspyro | I don't get a blank screen anymore |
| 01:58.05 | acerspyro | :L |
| 01:58.12 | acerspyro | I get half a screen with random pixels |
| 01:58.21 | acerspyro | Colored pixels |
| 01:58.31 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: what's your problem? |
| 01:58.51 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: by that I mean what's the problem you're having, not meant as an insult |
| 01:58.57 | acerspyro | Trying to set up X on an iMac G3 500 with ATI Rage 128 card |
| 01:59.10 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: do you have a dm? |
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| 01:59.18 | acerspyro | No, X doesn't starts at all |
| 01:59.28 | Th0masR0ss | not even with startx? |
| 01:59.32 | acerspyro | Nope |
| 01:59.36 | Th0masR0ss | what happens when you run startx? |
| 01:59.43 | acerspyro | And sometimes it completely crashes my computer |
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| 01:59.58 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: are the colours pretty at least? that's some progress |
| 02:00.07 | acerspyro | lolno |
| 02:00.12 | acerspyro | Pink and powder blue |
| 02:00.21 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: what happens when you run startx? |
| 02:00.40 | acerspyro | I get a randomly colored bottom of screen |
| 02:00.45 | jmcnaught | computer generated art, very avant gard |
| 02:00.45 | acerspyro | And my system stops answering |
| 02:00.59 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: can I get money off this painting? |
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| 02:01.28 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: what dm is installed? |
| 02:01.35 | acerspyro | None |
| 02:01.44 | Th0masR0ss | acerspyro: install one. |
| 02:01.49 | acerspyro | Won't matter |
| 02:01.55 | acerspyro | X server doesn't even starts |
| 02:02.11 | Th0masR0ss | try it? |
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| 02:02.20 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: there's also #xorg, maybe they can help? |
| 02:02.21 | acerspyro | I think I have XDM |
| 02:03.46 | ctmjr | acerspyro, if you add "nomodeset to grub it will fix some graphics problems but is not a guaranty, just mentioning it because you and jmcnaught have been working pretty hard on this so might as well try it |
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| 02:04.17 | acerspyro | ok ,thanks |
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| 02:04.47 | acerspyro | Wait... |
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| 02:04.53 | acerspyro | Set it on which file? |
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| 02:07.38 | ctmjr | /etc/default/grub add it after GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in between the "" |
| 02:07.58 | ctmjr | then run update-grub as root |
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| 02:08.02 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 02:08.55 | acerspyro | Btw, when I start up, I see perfectly Tux in the corner of my screen |
| 02:09.01 | p014k | What is the difference between sort -g and sort -n? |
| 02:09.07 | acerspyro | In colors and graphic |
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| 02:10.45 | acerspyro | ctmjr: I don't have an /erc/default/grub file |
| 02:11.45 | jmcnaught | p014k: -g tries to convert floats to integers i think. the difference is explained if you run the command: info coreutils 'sort invocation' |
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| 02:12.48 | ctmjr | acerspyro, did you type /etc or /erc |
| 02:12.56 | acerspyro | I typed /etc |
| 02:13.00 | acerspyro | sorry :L |
| 02:13.01 | ctmjr | ok |
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| 02:13.34 | acerspyro | ctmjr: YaBoot |
| 02:14.09 | p014k | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 02:14.30 | jmcnaught | p014k: you're welcome |
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| 02:17.38 | acerspyro | ctmjr: I have yaboot, sorry |
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| 02:19.43 | totimkopf | hello, according to man dpkg, I can update /var/lib/dpkg/available and replace it with a 'packages file'. What do they mean by this packages file, it certainly isn't an individual .deb file. Do they mean a file generated by --get-selections? |
| 02:20.10 | totimkopf | (by the way the option I'm referring to is --update-avail) |
| 02:20.15 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: is there an /etc/defaults/yaboot file? |
| 02:20.27 | themill | !available |
| 02:20.27 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 02:21.18 | totimkopf | ah so they meant /var/lib/dpkg/available as the 'packages file' |
| 02:21.34 | acerspyro | nope |
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| 02:21.56 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: i think i used yaboot once about a decade ago. there's some info about it here: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/yaboot-howto/ch6.en.html |
| 02:22.05 | totimkopf | themill: thank you, sir |
| 02:23.02 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: from the looks of it, you want to edit the /etc/yaboot.conf file. in the part about your kernel image, i think you want a line like "append=nomodeset" |
| 02:23.18 | acerspyro | kk |
| 02:23.19 | themill | totimkopf: nothing much uses the "available" file these days though, so it shouldn't really be an issue |
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| 02:23.38 | acerspyro | There is no /etc/yaboot file |
| 02:23.42 | themill | (I thought dselect was the only thing that used it these days) |
| 02:23.49 | acerspyro | nvm |
| 02:24.34 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: changing this file can make your computer unbootable, so if you're not sure feel free to pastebin it before running the "ybin" command (which actually makes the changes) |
| 02:26.04 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 02:26.16 | pythonsnake | is there a way to execute a script each time a new user is added? |
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| 02:26.20 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: on that link i posted there's a sample file. on that file i believe you would add the "append=nomodeset" line below the "read-only" line (with the same indentation) |
| 02:26.41 | acerspyro | ok |
| 02:26.44 | jmcnaught | but your file will probably be a little different than the example |
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| 02:27.37 | themill | pythonsnake: search for "local" in adduser(8) |
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| 02:28.32 | acerspyro | label=Linux [Break] read=only [Break] append=nomodeset [Break] initrd=/boot/initrd.img |
| 02:28.35 | acerspyro | is that right? |
| 02:28.51 | pythonsnake | thanks themill |
| 02:29.10 | themill | pythonsnake: that assumes you use adduser to add the users, of course... |
| 02:29.36 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: i think so, but like i said i only used yaboot once over a decade ago |
| 02:29.56 | acerspyro | ok |
| 02:30.04 | acerspyro | So my system might end up unbootable? |
| 02:30.21 | jmcnaught | well... only until you reinstall |
| 02:30.27 | acerspyro | ok |
| 02:31.00 | jmcnaught | so run "ybin" as root, cross your fingers and reboot |
| 02:31.03 | pythonsnake | themill: how about that: i got a web app that i put in skel. now each time i add a new user i want to change the config file so that the port is changed/increased by 1 for each new user |
| 02:31.07 | pythonsnake | is that possible? |
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| 02:31.56 | pythonsnake | (config file in their ~) |
| 02:32.00 | themill | pythonsnake: dynamically allocating the port as needed sounds more sensible |
| 02:32.20 | prompt32 | i want to leave from ubuntu 12.xx, what a nice stable release of Debian gyus ? |
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| 02:32.32 | pythonsnake | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.31 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: I setted yaboot's background as blue, just for fun, and it worked |
| 02:33.35 | acerspyro | set* |
| 02:33.48 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: well at today wasn't a total loss |
| 02:33.55 | acerspyro | indeed |
| 02:33.59 | acerspyro | I added some colors :) |
| 02:34.59 | prompt32 | i want to leave from ubuntu 12.xx, what a nice stable release of Debian gyus ? |
| 02:35.22 | nvz | prompt32: you mean like Debian stable? |
| 02:35.31 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:36.11 | jmcnaught | prompt32: you're probably looking for Debian 7 (Wheezy aka stable) |
| 02:36.29 | james41382 | Each time I shut down the computer I see this message "Stopping early crypto disks... failed" |
| 02:36.41 | james41382 | Should this concern me? |
| 02:37.12 | jwilliams1 | i have accidentally move some gui to background such as gnome-terminal, pidgin by reloading window manager. how can i bring those processes to foreground? |
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| 02:37.28 | jwilliams1 | jobs doesn't show any process is background |
| 02:37.43 | jwilliams1 | but i can see them by ps -ef | grep <process name> |
| 02:38.58 | jmcnaught | jwilliams1: does alt+tab bring them back? |
| 02:39.03 | ctmjr | acerspyro, you can try this one does not say where it goes in the conf file probably comment out the nomodeset one and add this radeon.modeset=0 which to me looks like nomodeset just different way to invoke it |
| 02:39.54 | acerspyro | o.O |
| 02:40.05 | acerspyro | My head can't parse this right... |
| 02:40.36 | jwilliams1 | jmcnaught: no. doesn't take effect. |
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| 02:41.09 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: maybe it's time for a break |
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| 02:41.21 | acerspyro | Perhaps |
| 02:41.31 | jwilliams1 | hoping reboot is the last resort : p |
| 02:41.48 | jmcnaught | jwilliams1: what if you just log out and then log in? |
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| 02:42.52 | acerspyro | jmcnaught |
| 02:43.01 | acerspyro | I know where it goes now |
| 02:43.13 | acerspyro | append=nomodeset |
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| 02:43.31 | acerspyro | so I set it? |
| 02:43.38 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: where? |
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| 02:43.56 | acerspyro | Under the "image" section |
| 02:44.14 | prompt32 | nvz, ok |
| 02:44.40 | jwilliams1 | let me check. |
| 02:45.02 | prompt32 | i try to make some newbie to leave ubuntu |
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| 02:45.33 | prompt32 | i already run Debian based system, and it's OK ! |
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| 02:46.28 | acerspyro | Haven't broken anything during boot |
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| 02:48.33 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: it did it again D: |
| 02:48.42 | acerspyro | Random color thing |
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| 02:50.04 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: oh well. there might be some combination of settings in xorg.conf that will work, but i have no clue what it would be |
| 02:50.14 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 02:51.19 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: if you haven't tried #xorg yet I'd give them a shot. or try wheezy. or keep tweaking xorg.conf. i also recommend a break :) |
| 02:51.34 | acerspyro | jmcnaught: I tried xorg, it's dead |
| 02:51.57 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: it might be busier at different times of day |
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| 02:52.06 | acerspyro | k |
| 02:52.40 | jmcnaught | acerspyro: good luck! it's break time for me, maybe i'll see you here again |
| 02:52.46 | acerspyro | ok |
| 02:52.48 | acerspyro | Cya |
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| 02:54.58 | acerspyro | Wow, Ubuntu forums got hacked |
| 02:55.00 | acerspyro | :P |
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| 03:03.00 | pythonsnake | hey is there any risks running oldstable? |
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| 03:06.07 | peterrooney | pythonsnake: shorter timeframe that security updates shall be available |
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| 03:06.59 | pythonsnake | ok thanks |
| 03:07.39 | somiaj | pythonsnake: probabaly a few months less than a year of securty support remains. |
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| 03:10.35 | Owner | http://www.makergear.com/blogs/frontpage/3194152-the-state-of-3d-printing |
| 03:10.49 | Owner | lol |
| 03:11.07 | Th0masR0ss | Owner: #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 03:12.54 | acerspyro | Ok, it's the X server that keeps crashing random |
| 03:13.39 | Owner | wrong channel |
| 03:14.00 | acerspyro | I didn't find an xorg.conf.d folder neither |
| 03:14.13 | Owner | Th0masR0ss, sorry about that |
| 03:14.26 | Th0masR0ss | ah |
| 03:14.36 | Owner | Th0masR0ss, you'll be okay |
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| 03:28.08 | silv3r_m00n | hi there, is there a commandline gui tool for managing partitions ? like something that appears during the text based installer of debian ? |
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| 03:29.32 | Th0masR0ss | silv3r_m00n: I don't know, but that would be called a "CLI" |
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| 03:31.36 | rryoumaa | is cli for both ncurses and command line only? |
| 03:32.07 | rryoumaa | wants an orthogonal nomenclatural partitioning |
| 03:32.15 | Th0masR0ss | CLI would be anything that looks like a GUI |
| 03:32.25 | rryoumaa | huh |
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| 03:32.53 | rryoumaa | Th0masR0ss: in any case :28 *** silv3r_m00n PART #debian |
| 03:33.11 | Th0masR0ss | oh. |
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| 03:37.10 | naryfa | hi, can anybody tell me how to reinstall grub from within live dvd onto a hdd? I messed it up during the installation and grub went to the SD card lol |
| 03:37.48 | DeLorean719 | sudo grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 03:38.00 | DeLorean719 | where X is probably a, but look in disk utility to see |
| 03:38.08 | DeLorean719 | and sudo update-grub |
| 03:38.25 | naryfa | sudo grub-install /dev/sda Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting. |
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| 03:38.55 | DeLorean719 | fdisk -l, make sure a is right |
| 03:39.15 | naryfa | DeLorean719: it is, /dev/sda |
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| 03:41.21 | naryfa | DeLorean719: Does it matter if I am installing it from under Ubuntu Live USB? Because the Debian USB I have has only the installation, no live image... So I don't know how else to do it except for this Ubuntu Live USB. I thought GRUB is GRUB.... |
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| 03:42.05 | DeLorean719 | Unfortunately I really don't know, that's how I've installed grub before... I'm a long shot from an expert >.< |
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| 03:42.35 | naryfa | Okay, thanks anyhow. |
| 03:42.41 | DeLorean719 | yeah sorry haha |
| 03:43.32 | naryfa | hmm, I think it's because the drive isn't mounted lol |
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| 03:44.15 | naryfa | nope, doesn't change a thing |
| 03:48.21 | acerspyro | Ugh, my X server still crashes >.> |
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| 04:30.08 | tmith | Running a touch screen as the primary and I'd like to add a second monitor but it uses the whole desktop area for calibration |
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| 04:41.35 | echelon | how do i make package build scripts for debian |
| 04:41.44 | echelon | like in arch, you have PKGBUILD files |
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| 04:43.28 | echelon | ? |
| 04:43.41 | echelon | can someone invite me to #debian-devel |
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| 04:46.16 | echelon | hello? |
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| 04:46.56 | silv3r_m00n | hi there |
| 04:47.02 | echelon | hi |
| 04:47.06 | silv3r_m00n | cant see the wine tricks package in synpatic, isnt it there ? |
| 04:47.24 | echelon | isn't it just a bunch of sciprts? |
| 04:47.27 | echelon | scripts* |
| 04:47.54 | tmith | You have to add the wine ppa iirc |
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| 04:48.20 | echelon | why do you need to use wine anyway, what's lacking from linux |
| 04:48.26 | syed_ | http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu |
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| 05:04.28 | james41382 | i installed wheezy recently and setup / and swap as encrypted partitions. Booting up seems fine and the OS seems fine, but when I shutdown I see this message "Stopping early cryto disks...sda6_crypt (busy)...failed." |
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| 05:05.32 | james41382 | Can anyone explain this to me? |
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| 05:13.04 | cITs | james41382: id be interesting to know what sda6 is |
| 05:13.11 | cITs | *it'd |
| 05:13.44 | james41382 | It is / |
| 05:13.52 | james41382 | sda7 is swap |
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| 05:14.29 | james41382 | I only setup 3 partitions for wheezy /boot, / and swap. |
| 05:14.59 | cITs | hm not sure |
| 05:15.35 | cITs | maybe a debian feature |
| 05:15.57 | james41382 | I've been reading online stuff for a while, but haven't been able to determine if it's supposed to be that way. |
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| 05:16.22 | james41382 | There's another interesting message at boot, but I think I've determined it is supposed to be that way. |
| 05:16.22 | cITs | james41382: i suppose it is nothing to worry about |
| 05:16.40 | cITs | james41382: which is? |
| 05:16.48 | james41382 | cITs: hopefully.. =] |
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| 05:41.28 | dokma | I've got a misterious entry in /etc/fstab mounting root volume to some nonsense log folder |
| 05:41.41 | dokma | Looks like compromise to me... |
| 05:41.49 | mumpitzel | paste the entry |
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| 05:42.58 | dokma | argh!!! just lost it... accidentally logged out of the term after deleting it |
| 05:43.04 | dokma | let me see if I can reconstruct it |
| 05:43.17 | dokma | this is the folder: /var/www/clients/client74/web96/log |
| 05:43.37 | dokma | this is the volume: /dev/vgmain/root |
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| 05:43.56 | dokma | one of the options was bind if I remember |
| 05:44.14 | mumpitzel | !enter |
| 05:44.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:44.17 | mumpitzel | is it still mounted? |
| 05:44.38 | dokma | no I umounted it immediately |
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| 05:45.05 | dokma | mumpitzel, how suspicious does it look to you? |
| 05:45.30 | jk- | dokma: if mounted via --bind, the permissions should be the same on source and destination |
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| 05:45.54 | dokma | jk-, yes I know |
| 05:45.57 | jk- | however, your path-based access restrictions on your we server may be different |
| 05:46.01 | jk- | *web |
| 05:46.12 | dokma | I'm trying to figure out if this is an intrusion... |
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| 05:46.27 | jk- | dokma: someone was able to run the mount as root. |
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| 05:47.08 | dokma | jk-, yes, it looks like a compromise to me |
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| 05:48.59 | mumpitzel | dokma: very |
| 05:49.30 | mumpitzel | it allowed the mounter to access your filesystesystem via http. slight access control via permissions but still |
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| 05:51.27 | jk- | and someone was able to edit /etc/fstab as root too :/ |
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| 05:57.36 | jgiorgi | i can start xfce4 manually but lightdm and xdm both bounce back to the auth screen with no error when logging in, nothing that seems to show an error in the lightdm or xdm log files, no errors in Xorg.log either |
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| 06:02.16 | mumpitzel | jgiorgi: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 06:02.39 | mumpitzel | jgiorgi: create a very sparse ~/.xinitrc (only an xterm) |
| 06:04.13 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel, ~/.xsession-errors shows some permission issues because im running xfce manually, nothing else, ~/.xinitrc is blank, define a creating a sparse .xinitrc |
| 06:05.09 | mumpitzel | create one with a simple command: e.g. xterm |
| 06:05.24 | jgiorgi | ok |
| 06:05.32 | jgiorgi | brb |
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| 06:08.20 | rryoumaa | what is a good, minimal fuss security setup? i heard that samhain is integrated with apt? are there other classes of tools that are useful? i am reading the securing debian manual, but thought there might be opinions here. |
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| 06:09.00 | mumpitzel | !tell rryoumaa about harden |
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| 06:10.12 | jgiorgi | bk and on a cli channel this time |
| 06:10.19 | mumpitzel | good |
| 06:10.20 | jgiorgi | same issue xdm bounces back to login prompt |
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| 06:10.30 | mumpitzel | run startx then |
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| 06:11.26 | jgiorgi | startx works fine, starts xfce4 for the user beautifully |
| 06:11.53 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: hmm, already looked at those. nothing there seems to say which ide's are integrated with apt, or what a good no fuss setup for a normal user might be, that i found. |
| 06:12.09 | mumpitzel | run your displaymanager from a terminal, not a init script then. |
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| 06:15.00 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel: i can start xdm fine without the init script (xdm daemonizes immediately, no terminal output) it appears this may be just that user, i created a dummy user and logged in fine |
| 06:16.01 | mumpitzel | jgiorgi: you still want to run the xdm executable directly as that user. it should then output errors to the console which you can read |
| 06:16.37 | mumpitzel | somewhere somehow an error happens (possibly via xauth) which causes all this |
| 06:16.51 | mumpitzel | and errors usually leave messages. you just need to find it |
| 06:17.21 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel: mumpitzel running as unpriviledged user the xdm executable responds "Only root wants to run xdm." |
| 06:17.36 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel: i can run startx or startxfce4 just fine |
| 06:17.42 | mumpitzel | so run it as root? |
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| 06:19.53 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel: running as root it runs fine, will log in to any user except me, i just fixed it tho, messy method but since it was just one user i had to assume config problem, so i deleted the xfce4 config files for my user and logged in, new config was created and it works |
| 06:20.10 | jgiorgi | weirdest thing any linux box has ever done for me but meh, so i have to reconfigure my desktop |
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| 06:21.28 | mumpitzel | should have just renamed .xfce4/ instead :( |
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| 06:22.14 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel, yeah i could have backed it up so i could compare and figure out the problem, hindsight is 20/20 |
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| 06:23.43 | jgiorgi | mumpitzel, appreciate the help tho, at least the new default config is prettier |
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| 06:27.15 | dokma | is there any way to list all files that are not from the repos? |
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| 06:28.03 | jk- | dokma: if your system has been compromised, you have no idea if the tools you use to generate that list are giving you valid results. |
| 06:28.13 | dokma | I'll do it from the rescue |
| 06:28.30 | dokma | I'm looking for the entry point |
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| 06:29.23 | dokma | so is there a way to compare files on the disk to files in the repo and list those that should've come from the repo but are modified? |
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| 06:30.15 | mumpitzel | debsums |
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| 07:05.01 | dokma | if I run chroot . /bin/bash does it execute bash from chroot or host? |
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| 07:05.27 | dokma | I don't want to run bash from a compromised system |
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| 07:06.48 | mumpitzel | chroot. the system is compromised so the chroot will NOT help |
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| 07:07.13 | mumpitzel | you must boot from a uncompromised system (USB stick or optical media). there is no other way |
| 07:07.13 | nullm0dem | livecd might help |
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| 07:11.28 | dokma | I've already booted from rescue |
| 07:11.54 | mumpitzel | then why a chroot? |
| 07:11.55 | dokma | now I'm looking at how to tell rkhunter to scan the root system mounted at /tmp/root |
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| 07:12.18 | dokma | it seems to me that rkhunter will scan my current system which is rescue |
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| 07:12.28 | dokma | I want it to scan the system on the root volume |
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| 07:13.13 | dokma | that's why I wanted to chroot into /tmp/root |
| 07:13.36 | mumpitzel | when you chroot into it you use only libraries and programs from inside the chroot. compromised ones |
| 07:13.53 | dokma | yes I figured that out |
| 07:14.16 | dokma | mumpitzel, do you have any idea how to tell rkhunter not to scan current system but the one in a specified folder |
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| 07:15.01 | mumpitzel | no. why would you want to? |
| 07:15.40 | dokma | because I'm looking for what the hacker might have done on the compromised system |
| 07:15.46 | dokma | what's so strange in that? |
| 07:16.22 | mumpitzel | I was refering to only scanning the mounted fs |
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| 07:16.31 | dokma | me too |
| 07:16.39 | dokma | I'm trying to scan the mounted fs with rkhunter |
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| 07:17.04 | dokma | but from what I see rkhunter will scan the rescue system not the mounted fs |
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| 07:18.06 | mumpitzel | possible cause you mounted it in a very strange place: /tmp |
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| 07:40.30 | Kanalia | hi guys, I noticed recently that in testing, libapache2-svn is marked as obsolete in apt |
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| 07:40.33 | Kanalia | what's the replacement? |
| 07:40.40 | dokma | any way to compare a file to the one in the repo? |
| 07:41.03 | Kanalia | dokma: file inside a package or whole package? |
| 07:41.10 | dokma | file in a package |
| 07:41.28 | dokma | I want to compare the one installed and possibly modified to the original one |
| 07:41.44 | jk- | dokma: debsums? |
| 07:42.00 | dokma | that shows that it HAS BEEN CHANGED |
| 07:42.08 | dokma | I want "WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED" |
| 07:42.09 | dokma | like a diff |
| 07:42.16 | jk- | dokma: what kind of file is it? |
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| 07:42.25 | Kanalia | just download the package, unpack the file and run a diff |
| 07:42.31 | dokma | it's a range of config files |
| 07:42.40 | Kanalia | I imagine that it's a config file or other text file |
| 07:42.42 | dokma | Kanalia, yes, that is one option |
| 07:42.46 | dokma | but I have some 30 of them |
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| 07:42.56 | dokma | yes, it's text |
| 07:42.59 | mumpitzel | dokma: I told you already: debsums |
| 07:43.07 | dokma | mumpitzel, read |
| 07:43.17 | mumpitzel | and if you want to compare config files: they aren't in any repo |
| 07:43.37 | Kanalia | dokma: I don't think that there's an apt-tool for that, but even if there was, you'd end up with a diff of 30 files so... |
| 07:43.44 | Kanalia | either way dokma |
| 07:44.00 | dokma | ok thank you |
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| 07:51.16 | Kanalia | ok, I noticed that libapache2-svn is only not in testing |
| 07:51.23 | Kanalia | in other repos, including sid, the package is there |
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| 07:51.36 | daveee123 | can someone help me get a .deb of this firmware?http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 07:51.37 | daveee123 | or at least explain how to install it? i downloaded the tar.gz, but cannot figure out how to install the unpacked files |
| 07:51.39 | Kanalia | so I guess that the svn maintainers made a boo boo or something |
| 07:51.54 | daveee123 | the file i downloaded is of all the non-free drivers. from that link |
| 07:52.21 | Kanalia | daveee123: this package is specific to intel iwlwifi stack wireless devices |
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| 07:52.37 | daveee123 | Kanalia: that's what i got. i just don't know how to install the file now that i have unpacked it |
| 07:52.38 | mumpitzel | daveee123: download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i |
| 07:52.46 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: where to i get the .deb? |
| 07:52.49 | Kanalia | just run a dpkg -i with the deb package and that's it |
| 07:52.55 | Kanalia | from the repo? apt-get ? |
| 07:53.02 | Kanalia | or download it from the web |
| 07:53.06 | daveee123 | Kanalia: can't no wifi. and i'm on a mac |
| 07:53.07 | mumpitzel | Kanalia: link on the bottom "al" |
| 07:53.12 | mumpitzel | "all" |
| 07:53.24 | mumpitzel | or you can add non-free into your sources.list and get it via apt-get |
| 07:53.34 | Kanalia | daveee123: then how are we talking now if not by net? :) |
| 07:53.43 | daveee123 | Kanalia: mac |
| 07:53.45 | mumpitzel | !tell daveee123 about firmware image |
| 07:53.52 | daveee123 | Kanalia: i didn't realize those were download links |
| 07:54.01 | mumpitzel | daveee123: if you want to install debian, use the link dpkg just gave you |
| 07:54.02 | daveee123 | i'm stupid |
| 07:54.09 | daveee123 | this would have made my life so much easier |
| 07:54.16 | Kanalia | daveee123: those are download links :) mac doesn't explain why you can't download something, are not on wifi and still using IRC at the same time |
| 07:54.42 | daveee123 | Kanalia: i am aware. it explains why i cannot apt-get. and being a mac user explains why i don't know anything |
| 07:54.51 | daveee123 | :'( |
| 07:55.10 | Kanalia | daveee123: if you have net access, you can run apt-get mate |
| 07:55.14 | mumpitzel | daveee123: you can learn and lose your stigma of being a OSX user. it's ok, no worries, no need to cry :) |
| 07:55.30 | Kanalia | if you didn't have access, we wouldn't talk right now (at least I think so) |
| 07:55.31 | mumpitzel | Kanalia: not on OSX, at least not with the proper repos |
| 07:55.39 | Kanalia | mumpitzel: ah ok |
| 07:55.44 | mumpitzel | Kanalia: you think very wrong. there is more than one computer in the world and more than one OS |
| 07:56.11 | Kanalia | mumpitzel: don't need to preach, I use Windows, Debian and Mac OSX on a daily basis |
| 07:56.23 | Kanalia | at least not to me :) |
| 07:57.06 | Kanalia | mumpitzel: but what's wrong with my thinking? That I'm surprised that a guy can't download a deb, while being on a net, because he can't connect to wifi, while being on a Mac? :) |
| 07:57.22 | Kanalia | crazy logic if you ask me |
| 07:57.33 | Kanalia | daveee123: at least I hope you got dpkg installed :) |
| 07:58.05 | Kanalia | mumpitzel: doesn't every debian installation come with apt-get anyway? |
| 07:58.10 | Kanalia | even the minimal ones? |
| 07:58.10 | mumpitzel | Kanalia: he cannot download it on his debian installation via apt. no network. and he didn't find the proper pdo link when on his mach |
| 07:58.22 | mumpitzel | *mac |
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| 07:58.57 | Kanalia | mumpitzel: well yeah that I understood |
| 07:59.28 | Kanalia | but if one has IRC access then I CAN IMAGINE that he can DL a file from the web and put it on his mac with a usb drive or something like that ;) |
| 07:59.33 | daveee123 | anyway. i installed the driver, but no wireless is detected still |
| 07:59.46 | Kanalia | daveee123: did a restart? |
| 07:59.52 | mumpitzel | daveee123: lsmod |grep iwl |
| 07:59.53 | Kanalia | daveee123: do a modprove iwlwifi |
| 07:59.58 | Kanalia | *modprobe |
| 08:00.10 | Kanalia | and then lsmod to see which modules are actually running |
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| 08:01.09 | Kanalia | then I imagine you'd need to turn on the interface with ifconfig, like "ifconfig up wlan0" or something like that |
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| 08:01.25 | Kanalia | or just restart the machine, ifconfig should pick it up automatically |
| 08:01.38 | Kanalia | when the system discovers the device |
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| 08:02.15 | daveee123 | ok, one sec |
| 08:03.11 | Kanalia | wow, I recall that I did sent a patch to the iwlwifi drivers like 6 years ago, the source files didn't take one of the conditions under regard and in consequence many peeps had problems running wifi on their debian boxes |
| 08:03.13 | Kanalia | crazy |
| 08:03.38 | Kanalia | but that was when the 4965 chips were new |
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| 08:04.13 | Kanalia | just bought a new ASUS laptop back then and was angry that wifi wouldn't work out of the box, hah |
| 08:04.15 | daveee123 | Kanalia: ok, so it does not recognize the wifi card i guess |
| 08:04.26 | daveee123 | to the command line! |
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| 08:06.20 | mumpitzel | daveee123: I told you to run a command. please do |
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| 08:06.45 | Kanalia | daveee123: at this point, the command line is all you got ;) |
| 08:06.49 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: ok. sorry got caught up |
| 08:06.53 | Kanalia | and everything you need at the same time |
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| 08:08.16 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: ok. i got a response. something like iwlwifi then two collumns, one is 170857, the other is a 0 |
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| 08:08.45 | daveee123 | and then 2 more ros, one showing mac80211 then a big number then 1, followed by iwlwif |
| 08:08.46 | Kanalia | daveee123: after running dpkg -i or something else? |
| 08:09.11 | daveee123 | then a final row of cfg80211 and a big number then a 2 and mac80211, iwlwifi |
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| 08:09.46 | alimj1 | Question: While installing Wheezy in Expert Mode / Manual Partitioning; How it would be possible to format a partition as BTRFS and set "compress" parameter for mount option? |
| 08:09.54 | mumpitzel | modprobe -r iwlwifi and the modprobe iwlwifi again. you need to reload the iwlwifi so it find the firmware when it loads |
| 08:10.15 | mumpitzel | after that then iwlist wlan0 scanning and it should you show a lot of text about various APs |
| 08:10.35 | Kanalia | mumpitzel writes wisely |
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| 08:11.14 | Kanalia | alimj1: got no clue, maybe set the mounting parameters after installation? |
| 08:11.20 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: problem solved. i installed the incorrect firmware for wifi. even though in the install that is what was asked for, so was realtek. idk what the iwlwifi is for, but realtek firmware fized it |
| 08:11.51 | Kanalia | daveee123: that's what I thought at the beginning when I wrote that iwlwifi is for intel firmware :) |
| 08:11.57 | Kanalia | cool |
| 08:12.01 | daveee123 | my bigger issue now is that i am running this alongside windows8 and it only boots if i change the uefi to legacy |
| 08:12.07 | mumpitzel | iwlwifi is for intel wlan chips. realtek is for realtek chips |
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| 08:12.18 | daveee123 | and grub does not recognize windows and vice versa |
| 08:12.27 | Kanalia | you run debian... and windows 8... on a mac... hell, why do you own a mac even? |
| 08:12.29 | alimj1 | Kanalia: I would like to squeeze a Debian based distro to a small USB Flash. I need it during the installation |
| 08:12.39 | daveee123 | sorry guys, i am trying to understand this all |
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| 08:12.43 | daveee123 | thanks for the hlep Kanalia and mumpitzel |
| 08:12.47 | Kanalia | daveee123: you gotta configure grub now so it will see the partitions |
| 08:13.05 | Kanalia | well, the specific boot record mount points to be specific |
| 08:13.27 | daveee123 | ok. can i do that from the dm? |
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| 08:14.08 | Kanalia | what's dm? |
| 08:15.21 | Kanalia | read this daveee123: http://superuser.com/questions/193670/debian-grub2-update-removed-windows-boot-option |
| 08:15.53 | daveee123 | Kanalia: awesome. thank you |
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| 09:51.38 | dxtr | So.. I have added tap0 to my /etc/network/interfaces but when I run "ifup tap0" it says "Cannot find device tap0" |
| 09:51.43 | dxtr | How do I make this happen? |
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| 09:56.54 | dicaxdorcas | dxtr, post you /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin |
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| 09:57.02 | dicaxdorcas | *your |
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| 09:59.29 | utente | hi all. i always use CLI (fdisk, mk2efs, etc) to format had disks. but i have to prepare e debina machine for a newbie and he hasks me to istalla a GUI tool to manage hard disks. some siggestions? |
| 09:59.59 | enleth | Hi there. Is there an easy way (like, global apt/dpkg configuration) to completely omit installation to certain paths from all packages? Something like "exclude /usr/share/{doc,locale}" |
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| 10:00.09 | dicaxdorcas | utente, gparted is good for that. |
| 10:00.26 | dicaxdorcas | utente, s ag i gparted and you're done. |
| 10:00.57 | dxtr | dicaxdorcas: All of it? |
| 10:01.13 | utente | dicaxdorcas, yes, it is . but is also a "huge" package. im looking fo a "light" tool... does it esist some tools like that? |
| 10:01.13 | mumpitzel | enleth: no. |
| 10:01.17 | mumpitzel | !tell enleth about localepurge |
| 10:01.36 | dicaxdorcas | dxtr, if it's long, just copy the part you changed and its surrounding lines |
| 10:01.36 | dxtr | dicaxdorcas: Can I PM you it? lots of ip address' and stuff |
| 10:01.40 | mumpitzel | utente: how is it hugr? |
| 10:01.41 | mumpitzel | *hugr |
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| 10:02.06 | utente | mumpitzel, what do you mean with "hugr"? |
| 10:02.20 | mumpitzel | dxtr: you actually need a tap0 interface which is created by a kernel module. use /sbin/ifconfig -a to check if you have such a interface |
| 10:02.26 | mumpitzel | utente: huge |
| 10:02.27 | enleth | mumpitzel: a hard way would do, too, if there isn't an easy one. locale files are just one thing I'd like to exclude. |
| 10:02.43 | utente | ah huge... let me say |
| 10:02.44 | DNS | hugs mumpitzel |
| 10:02.50 | DNS | thats a hugr |
| 10:02.52 | Sevet_ | dxtr: tunctl can create it |
| 10:02.54 | DNS | :p |
| 10:03.00 | mumpitzel | enleth: there is no way afaik. you can make those directories read only but then dpkg would probably error and you couldn't install anything anymore |
| 10:03.39 | mumpitzel | enleth: install localepurge |
| 10:03.56 | utente | well, gparted nepends by libraries, i suppose a (i.e) pyton litlte program tat use exixting CLI tool, should be more light. |
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| 10:04.59 | enleth | Crap. I'll be better off just writing some kind of hook on apt and removing locales along with other useless things in there |
| 10:05.02 | utente | let me turnb on the target pc and try to isntall gparted... |
| 10:05.12 | mumpitzel | enleth: not a good idea |
| 10:05.29 | mumpitzel | utente: don't install recommends |
| 10:05.52 | utente | mumpitzel, u r right |
| 10:05.53 | enleth | Wait, how do emdebian and other embedded debian-based systems do that? |
| 10:06.06 | enleth | They definitely rid their images of docs etc. |
| 10:06.19 | petn-randall | enleth: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:06.54 | Sevet_ | enleth: they probably rebuild their own packages without those files |
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| 10:08.31 | enleth | petn-randall: I'm building a kiosk-like LiveCD, with live-build, on which there is absolutely no use for any kind of documentation or locales because the user interface doesn't provide a terminal, root login and su are disabled, locale is hardwired to C etc.,etc.,etc., and the image is too big, so I have to purge all useless files |
| 10:08.53 | dxtr | Sevet_: But isn't /etc/network/interfaces supposed to do that for me during boot? |
| 10:08.59 | dxtr | Because, well, it doesn't |
| 10:09.06 | mumpitzel | enleth: and you don't have enough room on said livecd? |
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| 10:10.19 | enleth | mumpitzel: nope, media size restrictions. Also relevant are regulatory requirements to remove absolutely everything that's not actually being used |
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| 10:10.56 | enleth | So I'm looking for an elegant, maintainable way to do that before hacking together some crap script |
| 10:10.56 | utente | mumpitzel, gparted need 10M on disk. not huge, not light. |
| 10:11.04 | petn-randall | enleth: "regulatory requirements"?! Please explain. |
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| 10:11.11 | mumpitzel | 10MB is nothing |
| 10:11.41 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: It's like 8 floppy disks!! |
| 10:11.44 | michaelis | Hi. I cannot access my system setting any longer. I did a upgrade and dist-upgrade yesterday and after that it happened. I use version 7. |
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| 10:12.28 | petn-randall | michaelis: Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 10:13.29 | utente | mumpitzel, when had disk is 4G and free are only 1.7G, 10M are more than nothing. |
| 10:13.32 | enleth | petn-randall: tools for internal use in an industry that is highly regulated security-wise, can't say much more. Moreover, the less crap there is in the system image, the less will it cost to audit. |
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| 10:15.22 | michaelis | petn-randall, Hold on. |
| 10:16.02 | michaelis | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/18474/ |
| 10:17.35 | petn-randall | enleth: Sounds tiring :(. I guess you reached a spot where nobody has tackled this problem before. You could either delete the unused files from the path on the live CD, or customize the source packages that generate all those binary packages. |
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| 10:17.52 | enleth | petn-randall: some of what I'm working on might get released back to the community, such as a nice, secure bootloader for tamper-resistant LiveCDs |
| 10:18.00 | petn-randall | enleth: You could also take a look how other live CD like knoppix/backtrack/etc. do it. |
| 10:18.17 | petn-randall | enleth: Sounds nice :) |
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| 10:20.26 | babilen | michaelis: Your sources.list is wrong as you don't require wheezy/updates if you track testing - tracking testing is also not recommended to everyone and you *will* have to deal with changes to the system all the time. |
| 10:20.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell michaelis about testing |
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| 10:22.17 | enleth | petn-randall: mumpitzel: huh, there it is in the very dpkg --help message. --path-exclude= |
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| 10:23.17 | Sevet_ | michaelis: wheezy is now stable, not testing. that would mix 2 different releases. if you've done updates yesterday you're on jessie now |
| 10:23.57 | Deeps | dpkg: tell deeps about testint |
| 10:23.58 | Deeps | dpkg: tell deeps about testing |
| 10:24.05 | Deeps | dpkg: tell deeps about testing |
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| 10:24.16 | mumpitzel | !tell deeps about selftell |
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| 10:24.40 | Deeps | ! ta :> |
| 10:25.01 | michaelis | babilen, Ok. I will look into it. Thank you very much. |
| 10:25.06 | michaelis | Sevet_, Ok. I will look into it. Thank you very much. |
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| 10:30.20 | babilen | michaelis: If you wanted to track stable (wheezy) then your sources.list was wrong and you are now running an unstable (in the "changing" sense) development release. That is okay in general and other people do that, but it might not be what you wanted. This also explains that you face changes whenever you upgrade your system and we would require additional information to determine why exactly you run into that problem. |
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| 10:32.45 | michaelis | babilen, Ok, so I changed the sources.list so that I only track stable, I hope. But how do I solve the problem with system settings? |
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| 10:34.02 | michaelis | I'll be right back. |
| 10:34.30 | imdea | Hi, one question I'm running a Debian Wheezy box running kernel linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 on it, but when I try to load acpi-cpufreq module I get: ERROR: could not insert 'acpi_cpufreq': No such device. How do I know whether this module is available in this standard kernel that comes by default with Debian 7? |
| 10:35.24 | babilen | michaelis: no |
| 10:36.21 | babilen | michaelis: You cannot simply change your sources.list to stable and everything is fine. Downgrades are not supported and you are running testing now for better or worse. If you want stable then you would have to reinstall the system and keep in mind to never mix stable with anything but backports again. |
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| 10:39.46 | mumpitzel | imdea: the module is available or the file wouldn't be found. it's the device it can't find the module is for. you can run "find" for the module in /lib/modules/ |
| 10:41.09 | imdea | mumpitzel, I've already found it under /lib/modules but for some reason I'm getting that error. Actually I got this in /var/log/kern.log [Firmware Bug]: powernow-k8: No compatible ACPI _PSS objects found. |
| 10:41.09 | imdea | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.43 | mumpitzel | imdea: ACPI on a server? also: are you sure your CnQ is not working? |
| 10:43.45 | imdea | mumpitzel, I didn't see that option in the BIOS |
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| 10:44.13 | mumpitzel | imdea: you generally don't need anything to set up |
| 10:44.17 | mumpitzel | neither BIOS nor linux |
| 10:44.18 | petn-randall | imdea: Is this a physical machine or a VM? |
| 10:45.10 | imdea | petn-randall, physical machine |
| 10:46.10 | petn-randall | imdea: What kind of mainboard is it? Maybe the BIOS is severely borked and an update might fix this. |
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| 10:46.54 | imdea | petn-randall, I don't know the exact model of the motherboard, BTW it's a new server so I don't think that BIOS would be so outdated |
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| 10:51.49 | petn-randall | imdea: You can check with 'lshw | less' from the package of the same name. In my experience most servers still ship with outdated BIOSes. |
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| 10:58.07 | lpapp | hi, is there a listing option for the archs with debootstrap? |
| 10:58.21 | lpapp | I would like to make sure if x86_64 is the right syntax for --arch. |
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| 11:02.05 | mumpitzel | lpapp: amd64 should be it |
| 11:02.14 | lpapp | mumpitzel: even for intel 64? |
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| 11:02.42 | mumpitzel | then it's "itanium" |
| 11:02.50 | mumpitzel | there is no "intel 64" otherwise |
| 11:02.50 | lpapp | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archbootstrap |
| 11:02.59 | lpapp | archbootstrap uses -a x86_64 |
| 11:03.09 | mumpitzel | and? |
| 11:03.14 | lpapp | and usually that is what tools also use |
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| 11:03.23 | mumpitzel | is arch debian? |
| 11:03.44 | lpapp | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 11:03.49 | lpapp | can someone extend the documentation please? |
| 11:03.53 | lpapp | with a 64 bit example? |
| 11:03.59 | lpapp | as that is probably the majority nowadays anyways |
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| 11:04.16 | lpapp | mumpitzel: I was not actually referring to arch, only archbootstrap |
| 11:04.21 | lpapp | so is debootstrap not debian |
| 11:04.25 | mumpitzel | is archbootstrap in debian? |
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| 11:04.37 | mumpitzel | is amd64 working, yes or no? |
| 11:05.18 | babilen | lpapp: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en and amd64 *is* the 64bit architecture for most Intel/AMD processors. See also "/msg dpkg why amd64" |
| 11:05.20 | mumpitzel | arch can name their supported architectures all they want. so can debian |
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| 11:07.19 | lpapp | babilen: so that will be okay for Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz ? |
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| 11:07.50 | mumpitzel | yes |
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| 11:15.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell lpapp -about why amd64 |
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| 11:20.36 | michaelis | babilen, Ok. So I'm stuck with testing. But thanks for the help anyways. |
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| 11:22.55 | lpapp | what is wrong about "apt-get install sudo" on wheezy? |
| 11:22.56 | lpapp | http://paste.kde.org/pcc07c07f/ |
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| 11:24.09 | themill | lpapp: you need to apt-get update |
| 11:24.30 | lpapp | thanks |
| 11:25.41 | lpapp | themill: http://paste.kde.org/pf1dbc4bb/ |
| 11:26.14 | Sevet_ | anyone here used myodbc on wheezy? i get a segfault after any query |
| 11:26.33 | themill | lpapp: looks pretty self-explanatory |
| 11:27.26 | lpapp | themill: well, what is not self-explanatory why a fresh install does not just work. |
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| 11:28.53 | themill | lpapp: what's in your PATH there. It looks pretty broken. |
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| 11:30.04 | lpapp | themill: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/core_perl |
| 11:30.20 | themill | there you go |
| 11:30.26 | lpapp | ? |
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| 11:30.43 | bitonic | seahorse has been segfaulting on testing for weeks now |
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| 11:31.03 | bitonic | like, on startup |
| 11:31.11 | bitonic | what does one usually do when this happens? |
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| 11:31.50 | themill | bitonic: check the bts |
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| 11:31.56 | themill | ,bug #714585 |
| 11:31.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714585 in seahorse (open): «seahorse: Seahorse consistently crashes after selecting to view by keyring once»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-07-01; last modified: 2013-07-07. |
| 11:32.49 | lpapp | any clue how to fix my debian? |
| 11:32.59 | lpapp | it is a fresh install, but apparently b0rked. |
| 11:33.02 | bitonic | themill: thanks, this is weird, I had added myself to that CC list |
| 11:33.14 | themill | lpapp: that is not the PATH of a fresh install. Fix your path and all is solved. |
| 11:33.20 | lpapp | themill: huh? |
| 11:33.22 | lpapp | it is. |
| 11:34.27 | themill | I can promise you that is a long way from the default PATH. It's missing important paths and has entries it should not. |
| 11:35.08 | bitonic | themill: yeah but I don’t have the sidebar then, which kind of makes it unusable. In my case I need to unlock a keyring |
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| 11:35.15 | bitonic | I wonder if there is another way to do that |
| 11:35.46 | Sevet_ | how can i add the percona repo to sources.list, but use pinning so while i can install percona-xtrabackup from it it'll never accidentally update to the libmysqlclient18 from there (it causes libmyodbc to crash)? |
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| 11:37.25 | lpapp | where is the PATH set? |
| 11:38.13 | petn-randall | lpapp: Wherever you actually changed it in the first place. :| |
| 11:38.30 | lpapp | maybe /etc/profile |
| 11:38.41 | lpapp | petn-randall: I have *not* changed it in the second place. |
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| 11:39.41 | petn-randall | lpapp: Are you sure you installed it from an install image from debian.org? |
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| 11:39.58 | lpapp | petn-randall: debootstrap |
| 11:39.59 | lpapp | into chroot |
| 11:40.11 | lpapp | http://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
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| 11:41.02 | petn-randall | lpapp: And the host OS is which release? |
| 11:41.09 | lpapp | petn-randall: archlinux |
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| 11:42.08 | Ironhand | is there a "clean" way to set up a single interface in interfaces(5) to have both a native ipv4 and ipv6 address? online info suggests using "up ip .../down ip ..." clauses but I figured there should be a nicer way... |
| 11:43.00 | Perdu | lpapp: grep PATH /home/*/.bashrc /etc/bash.bashrc /etc/profile /home/*/.profile |
| 11:43.18 | Ironhand | or do I simply add both a "iface eth0 inet static" and "iface eth0 inet6 static", so two definitions for the same interface? |
| 11:43.28 | Perdu | Or I don't know where else it can be set |
| 11:43.28 | petn-randall | lpapp: Apparently something is seriously broken with their version of debootstrap. The path isn't set, and your chroot is missing a few mounts to function properly. |
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| 11:43.53 | lpapp | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/debootstrap/ |
| 11:44.15 | petn-randall | Ironhand: I think having two interface definitions with the same name would break it. |
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| 11:44.40 | Ironhand | petn-randall: yeah, that's what I feared |
| 11:45.57 | petn-randall | Ironhand: However, I've always used static + 'up ip addr add ...', it always worked fine for me. |
| 11:47.12 | petn-randall | lpapp: Maybe you have more luck on #archlinux finding out how to make Arch's debootstrap behave like Debian's. |
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| 11:47.30 | Ironhand | petn-randall: yeah, I've used it too, and it does work so it's not like it's an urgent problem I need to resolve... I'm just a perfectionist when it comes to these things |
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| 11:47.57 | lpapp | petn-randall: perhaps it is not arch specific. |
| 11:48.31 | lpapp | grep PATH /home/*/.bashrc /etc/bash.bashrc /etc/profile /home/*/.profile |
| 11:48.32 | lpapp | grep: /home/*/.bashrc: No such file or directory |
| 11:48.32 | lpapp | /etc/profile: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 11:48.34 | lpapp | /etc/profile: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" |
| 11:48.40 | petn-randall | lpapp: I'm 100% sure that it's offtopic on #debian though. |
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| 11:49.10 | petn-randall | lpapp: Also, don't paste into the channel. We have http://paste.debian.net for that. |
| 11:49.51 | lpapp | actually, the guideline writes that short paste can go to the channel |
| 11:49.56 | lpapp | how are you *really* sure it is not a debian issue? |
| 11:50.00 | lpapp | could you please prove that? |
| 11:51.17 | mumpitzel | lpapp: are you actually running debian? |
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| 11:51.33 | petn-randall | lpapp: Are you using Debian squeeze or wheezy to create the chroot? No. It's setting the path wrong, and that's probably only the first problem you're running into. |
| 11:51.41 | lpapp | mumpitzel: yes, in chroot. |
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| 11:52.03 | petn-randall | lpapp: But your debootstrap isn't Debian. |
| 11:52.11 | lpapp | huh? |
| 11:52.19 | lpapp | Upstream URL:http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debootstrap.html |
| 11:52.23 | lpapp | -> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/debootstrap/ |
| 11:52.27 | lpapp | it *is* a debian tool. |
| 11:52.29 | mumpitzel | lpapp: the upstream doesn't man shit. |
| 11:52.33 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 11:52.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:52.42 | petn-randall | ^^ lpapp |
| 11:52.46 | lpapp | it is even coming from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.53_all.deb |
| 11:52.54 | mumpitzel | to install debian, debian suggests to use debian debootstrap, nothing else. it's made so it can run on any linux with a few requirements like perl |
| 11:53.03 | lpapp | I know what changes were made: |
| 11:53.04 | lpapp | zero |
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| 11:53.22 | mumpitzel | lpapp: we don't care what was done on it. arch distributed it, it's their problem |
| 11:53.40 | mumpitzel | we cannot know what changes were made and we don't care frankly. |
| 11:53.41 | petn-randall | lpapp: How come you're missing /bin and /sbin in PATH then? |
| 11:53.48 | lpapp | shrugs |
| 11:53.51 | lpapp | hostile people are hostile. |
| 11:53.53 | xand | !based on debian |
| 11:53.54 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:54.24 | mumpitzel | lpapp: many people installed debian into a chroot or otherwise with debian debootstrap. so why can't you? |
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| 11:54.54 | lpapp | mumpitzel: that is my question man. |
| 11:55.01 | lpapp | that is the user's question man. |
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| 11:55.13 | lpapp | will you give everyone "it works for us so go away"? |
| 11:55.50 | Ironhand | I'm guessing it copies certain bits of information from the host system, so in that regard the host distribution matters beyond which debootstrap package is used... |
| 11:55.58 | mumpitzel | no. we give everyone the "it's not debian so go to the place you got it" response. and so will arch people when you ask them to troubleshoot debian software. |
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| 11:56.21 | lpapp | yes, exactly. |
| 11:56.25 | lpapp | so arch people will send away |
| 11:56.25 | mumpitzel | and as soon as it comes from repository of distro X, then distro X supports it and no one else except ##linux which is a catchall channel |
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| 11:56.27 | lpapp | you are sending away. |
| 11:56.30 | lpapp | so I am screwed as a user |
| 11:56.33 | lpapp | and I cannot get help |
| 11:56.34 | lpapp | how frank ... |
| 11:56.42 | jelly-home | lpapp: you're right in that it's supposed to be set via /etc/profile, but that's only for a login shell |
| 11:57.06 | jelly-home | lpapp: how are you entering the chroot? |
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| 11:57.23 | xand | if you want to do weird things like run different OSes in chroot, you should work it out yourself IMO |
| 11:57.36 | lpapp | jelly-home: chroot /media/wheezy |
| 11:57.47 | lpapp | xand: weird things LOL |
| 11:57.49 | jelly-home | wtf is up with you people, installing via debootstrap is a supported option |
| 11:57.56 | lpapp | people have been doing it on a daily basis for years now. |
| 11:58.00 | lpapp | there is nothing weird to it. |
| 11:58.06 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: via an arch copy of debootstrap afaik |
| 11:58.07 | lpapp | arch is broken at times for building certain softwares. |
| 11:58.20 | lpapp | in which case, upstream provides better support for other distributions like Debian. |
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| 11:58.41 | petn-randall | jelly-home: PATH was set wrong, lpapp said it was a Debian problem, I refuted that claim. |
| 11:58.46 | lpapp | mumpitzel: again, you are wrong |
| 11:58.51 | lpapp | you did not bother to read what I wrote before. |
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| 11:58.59 | lpapp | I explicitly stated even the .deb is coming from debian. |
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| 11:59.03 | jelly-home | lpapp: hm. Might be better to do a chroot /media/wheezy /bin/bash -l |
| 11:59.04 | lpapp | and we only install that, sigh. |
| 11:59.08 | lpapp | jelly-home: ok, let me see. |
| 11:59.22 | jelly-home | lpapp: or do exec bash -l in the chroot after you're already in it |
| 11:59.30 | lpapp | jelly-home: that works. |
| 11:59.38 | mumpitzel | lpapp: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 11:59.56 | mumpitzel | that's the way to install via debootstrap. and it has the line |
| 11:59.56 | mumpitzel | # LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash |
| 12:00.05 | jelly-home | lpapp: yeah, that makes bash think it's a login shell and actually read the relevant rc files |
| 12:00.14 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: missing -l |
| 12:00.42 | lpapp | am I correct that the problem is not in any way related to arch? |
| 12:00.49 | lpapp | but chroot usage after debootstrap? |
| 12:01.01 | lpapp | yet, those people above were hostile towards the scenario? |
| 12:01.09 | jelly-home | lpapp: it's not, I get the same thing chrooting into debian chroots from my debian machine |
| 12:01.28 | lpapp | jelly-home: thanks a lot! |
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| 12:03.27 | jelly-home | lpapp: some people forget an OS can INTEROPERATE with a different one and that it's not necessarily an evil thing to do |
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| 12:05.16 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: so you are saying http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en is wrong? |
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| 12:06.21 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: yes, some of those debootstrap bits on RHEL go completely wonky |
| 12:07.10 | mumpitzel | like chrooting into? |
| 12:07.21 | lpapp | jelly-home: I agree. |
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| 12:18.57 | Aramur | buenas tardes |
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| 12:20.33 | lpapp | Aramur: komoesta |
| 12:20.44 | Aramur | ooops |
| 12:20.55 | Aramur | sorry, that wasn't supposed to go here :) |
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| 12:39.52 | Iridos | it's all so quiet? |
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| 12:40.20 | babilen | Iridos: shush! |
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| 12:47.12 | Iridos | babilen, <small>sorry</small> |
| 12:47.22 | babilen | :-D |
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| 12:56.20 | lpapp | jelly-home: is systemd-nspawn better than chroot for wheezy chroot? |
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| 12:59.28 | hudini | hello |
| 12:59.29 | hudini | people |
| 12:59.31 | hudini | :D |
| 12:59.49 | hudini | can some help me |
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| 13:00.33 | Taiiwo | Hi there. |
| 13:00.43 | Taiiwo | Does anybody have any experience with dd? |
| 13:00.50 | petn-randall | lpapp: It's not hostile per se, but it's just that roughly 20% of all support requests in here are by people from Arch/Ubuntu/Mint, that didn't get any support in their respective channels, and then ask here. And often they go on that it's based on Debian and try to prove that the problem should exist in Debian, too. |
| 13:01.13 | lpapp | petn-randall: you should not be rassist |
| 13:01.18 | lpapp | until you can prove it is not a debian issue |
| 13:01.36 | lpapp | I call that hostile without proving, sorry. |
| 13:02.05 | petn-randall | lpapp: And that's tiring, which is why many people here don't bother to look into the problem. In your case it was a wrong usage of chroot, and not a debootstrap issue that I claimed. I apologize for that. |
| 13:02.29 | Taiiwo | Sounds like a whole load of 'it's completely irrelivant' to me. |
| 13:02.48 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell hudini -about ask |
| 13:02.58 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Taiiwo -about ask |
| 13:03.17 | Iridos | now hudini gotta ask something as well :D |
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| 13:03.32 | Iridos | and seems your tab completion is broken in a pretty weird way |
| 13:03.48 | Sevet_ | '<hudini> can some help me' he already did |
| 13:03.57 | petn-randall | lpapp: That's why we only support Debian stable in here for a lot of social and technical reasons. Your case was borderline, which is why I apologized. |
| 13:04.03 | Iridos | adjusts eyes |
| 13:04.08 | Iridos | eye sea! |
| 13:04.17 | babilen | lpapp: This channel only supports *pure* Debian for a number of social and technical reasons. That's just the way it is and I would hope that you can adhere to this rule. |
| 13:04.25 | babilen | petn-randall: heh |
| 13:04.42 | themill | lpapp: jftr, the problem here was Arch having a pretty crazy PATH that you did not fix when entering the chroot. |
| 13:05.01 | petn-randall | babilen: :) |
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| 13:05.24 | Taiiwo | Well basically, I'm copying a root partition from a mounted usb drive that I'm booting from, and attempting to clone it onto a SSD |
| 13:05.39 | lpapp | pfff, hostaility continues |
| 13:05.41 | lpapp | good luck guys |
| 13:06.11 | lpapp | jelly-home: /dev/shm does not have w for the group and others. How can I fix that? |
| 13:06.16 | lpapp | chmod 777 did not help |
| 13:06.18 | lpapp | from 755 |
| 13:06.21 | lpapp | I have 777 on the host |
| 13:06.26 | lpapp | and a tool fails because of this. |
| 13:06.34 | Taiiwo | And I'm using dd, but instantly, the partition goes to the correct space usage, as if the files had been transferred, but then dd just waits with a blinkin cursor as if it's doing something |
| 13:06.49 | themill | lpapp: it would have been handy if you'd said it was a chroot not an install you had at the time -- I'd not realised that you were entering a chroot here -- you kept on calling it a fresh install which is a rather different thing. |
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| 13:07.16 | lpapp | themill: it *was* a fresh install into chroot. |
| 13:07.28 | Taiiwo | The command I ran: sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb7 |
| 13:07.57 | petn-randall | lpapp: No hostility here. As long as it's on-topic, you're welcome to discuss. |
| 13:08.02 | themill | lpapp: I think it's pretty natural to assume the debian installer made the install. debootstrap makes chroots not installations. |
| 13:08.14 | petn-randall | Taiiwo: You shouldn't dd a *mounted* partition. Unmount it first. |
| 13:08.21 | lpapp | themill: feel free to argue over nonsense with someone else. |
| 13:08.29 | Sevet_ | Taiiwo: you need to wait, dd is still copying |
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| 13:08.37 | mumpitzel | lpapp: you are not doing yourself any favours here |
| 13:08.38 | Taiiwo | Can I safely unmount my root? |
| 13:08.40 | petn-randall | Taiiwo: Also, use bs=1M, and run sync after that. |
| 13:08.53 | mumpitzel | Taiiwo: no. you might be able to remount it read only but rarely |
| 13:08.59 | Sevet_ | Taiiwo: also you shouldn't use dd if either sda2 or sdb7 are mounted |
| 13:09.02 | mumpitzel | Taiiwo: boot up in single user mode, then you should be able to |
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| 13:09.04 | themill | lpapp: it's not nonsense at all. I'm just explaining why it took so long to understand why you had such a broken PATH. An install certainly wouldn't look like that but a chroot would. |
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| 13:09.21 | Sevet_ | Taiiwo: or the data'll change while you're copying it and will give a corrupt result |
| 13:09.31 | babilen | Taiiwo: You can send the USR1 signal to dd to get information on what it is currently doing. That is detailed in its manpage -- I would, however, recommend to simply use dcfldd in the future in lieu of dd as it is simply better ;) |
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| 13:10.29 | mumpitzel | babilen: dcfldd? who can remember so many letters when dd is all you need? |
| 13:10.38 | lpapp | two more people on ignore. :) |
| 13:10.44 | lpapp | who have been useless for the issue, and still just arguing. |
| 13:10.47 | lpapp | instead of getting the issue over. |
| 13:10.56 | mumpitzel | !attitude |
| 13:10.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, attitude is something you should have a good one of in order to be considered socially skilled. or sth RichiH the monkeyfucker does not have |
| 13:11.17 | babilen | Taiiwo: That being said: I wouldn't actually use dd for that anyway as you simply want to copy data and don't require any of dd's specific features (like seek or whatnot) -- dd also chooses a fairly suboptimal blocksize by default unless you specify something more sensible. (e.g. bs=1M) -- but then "cp /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb7" chooses a optimal blocksize automagically |
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| 13:12.52 | petn-randall | Taiiwo: Especially since you want to copy *onto* a SSD, you don't want to write all those empty blocks onto it. I'd copy the filesystem and then just install grub from a chroot. |
| 13:12.55 | babilen | Taiiwo: In short there is simply no reason to use dd - If you *really* require its features (because you want to copy, say, 5 64kb blocks starting at byte 1024 from device /dev/sda) then use dcfldd and if you don't then use cp. That being said: Being able to send dd the USR1 signal to inquire about its status (or dcfldd's default behaviour in this regard) is a nice feature it has over cp |
| 13:13.09 | Sevet_ | Taiiwo: 'the partition goes to the correct space usage' - determined how? |
| 13:13.38 | babilen | ^^^ in addition to the issues raised by the others ( petn-randall, Sevet_, ...) |
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| 13:14.11 | Taiiwo | Oh, gparted |
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| 13:14.23 | Taiiwo | THnks for the help I have to go now |
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| 13:17.28 | Ixion2600 | LIST *kvm* |
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| 13:17.43 | mumpitzel | Ixion2600: /msg alis help |
| 13:17.49 | Ixion2600 | thanks :) |
| 13:18.13 | nodell | stable, wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates are the main repositories for Debian right? |
| 13:18.37 | mumpitzel | nodell: not stable. /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
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| 13:18.54 | mumpitzel | nodell: putting "stable" into your sources.list is bad |
| 13:19.01 | lpapp | why is /dev/shm not writable in my wheezy chroot? |
| 13:19.05 | lpapp | it is writable on the host |
| 13:19.11 | lpapp | I also tried none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,size=1G 0 0 |
| 13:19.22 | Sevet_ | mumpitzel: when jessie is released (in ~2 years) you'll unexpectedly update |
| 13:19.23 | themill | lpapp: debian doesn't use /dev/shm |
| 13:19.23 | nodell | got it. Bettwr to name it specifically so you do not accedently pull packages from the wrong distro? |
| 13:19.35 | Sevet_ | nodell: when jessie is released (in ~2 years) you'll unexpectedly update |
| 13:19.44 | mumpitzel | nodell: check what dpkg messaged you |
| 13:19.46 | nodell | makes sense... |
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| 13:20.07 | roger21 | i'm made some maneuvers on apache home directory, and now it is own by root, is it what your /var/www onwer is too? |
| 13:20.09 | mumpitzel | rather: message dpkg like I wrote |
| 13:20.12 | lpapp | themill: third-party apps do? |
| 13:20.32 | kaste | 0 |
| 13:20.34 | themill | lpapp: not on debian. There's /run/shm for that |
| 13:20.35 | nodell | What is the difference between wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates? |
| 13:20.48 | themill | nodell: you can ask dpkg about them too |
| 13:21.14 | mumpitzel | nodell: one are security updates, the other are fast changing software what has been "volatile" in the past, e.g. browsers. don't ask me which is which. whoever though of these names is a <bleep> |
| 13:21.38 | roger21 | can somebody just do a ls -dl /varr/www please |
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| 13:21.48 | nodell | Got it. I had no idea that there was a question answering bot here! Is there a manual for it's use somewhere? |
| 13:21.51 | roger21 | /var* |
| 13:21.57 | lpapp | themill: ok, so it should be a symlink then ... |
| 13:22.03 | Sevet_ | lpapp: it is |
| 13:22.14 | Sevet_ | you need to chmod the target, not the link |
| 13:22.15 | lpapp | it is not |
| 13:22.32 | Sevet_ | $ ls -l /dev/shm |
| 13:22.32 | Sevet_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul 24 17:27 /dev/shm -> /run/shm |
| 13:22.34 | lpapp | ls -ld /dev/shm/ -> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Jul 25 11:33 /dev/shm/ |
| 13:22.38 | themill | lpapp: so can we go back to this not actuall ybeing an install yet? |
| 13:22.56 | lpapp | themill: you need to translate that into english. |
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| 13:23.19 | themill | lpapp: I'll leave you to work it out. |
| 13:23.35 | petn-randall | roger21: No surveys please, if you have a problem, try do describe with enough detail so we can help you. |
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| 13:24.10 | lpapp | themill: thanks, hopefully I can have more productive discussions than finger pointing. |
| 13:24.12 | roger21 | i made some change on the apache home directory and i'm not sure if the owner is properly set, it is root for me |
| 13:24.16 | lpapp | like with jelly-home before. |
| 13:24.36 | lpapp | I made the link manually from /dev/shm to /run/shm |
| 13:24.43 | lpapp | but /run/shm has only 755, not 7777 |
| 13:24.45 | lpapp | 777* |
| 13:24.56 | roger21 | is it root for you? |
| 13:24.56 | hudini | pent-randall thank you sir ,someone else answered my question |
| 13:25.03 | roger21 | is it supposed to be rrot? |
| 13:25.07 | hudini | but thank you again |
| 13:25.17 | roger21 | i thought is would be www-data |
| 13:25.21 | petn-randall | hudini: Glad it worked out, enjoy your day :) |
| 13:25.43 | themill | lpapp: have you actually mounted a tmpfs on it? |
| 13:26.06 | hudini | thanks man |
| 13:26.24 | petn-randall | roger21: /var/www/ is usually owned by root:root. |
| 13:27.38 | lpapp | themill: you mean bound? |
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| 13:28.38 | atannus | morning. |
| 13:28.41 | petn-randall | lpapp: bind mount or 'normal' one, either way works. |
| 13:28.53 | mumpitzel | roger21: if it were www-data, any website user could change files in there. not good |
| 13:29.01 | lpapp | yes, of course, it is mounted on the host (arch) |
| 13:30.11 | roger21 | mumpitzel, well i do expect my appache/php to be able to make modifications |
| 13:30.20 | atannus | On wheezy. I add my user to the a group in /etc/group and set permissions to a folder owned by that group to 775. Should I not be able to write to that folder right away? |
| 13:30.39 | themill | atannus: group membership is set at login time |
| 13:30.53 | roger21 | is apache run @ www-data or root? |
| 13:30.56 | roger21 | does |
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| 13:31.00 | atannus | themill, re-login is necessary then. |
| 13:31.01 | petn-randall | atannus: Use adduser for that, don't edit the file directly. |
| 13:31.13 | atannus | petn-randall, I know, just playing around. :) |
| 13:31.20 | petn-randall | atannus: Ok :) |
| 13:31.56 | petn-randall | roger21: It's run as www-data, you can also check that with e.g. 'ps auxw' |
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| 13:32.40 | roger21 | i can't run it now beacuse my conf is a work in progress |
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| 13:33.21 | lroe | it would be really convenient if mv and scp both had flags that would follow the transfer into the destination |
| 13:33.49 | lroe | meaning when I move something from /foo /bar it would automatically change dirs to /bar after the move |
| 13:34.15 | mumpitzel | roger21: you shouldn't. you should only allow this in special subdirectories which are designated manually for upload. not your webserver root directory |
| 13:34.32 | roger21 | oh |
| 13:34.45 | roger21 | ok i guess |
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| 13:35.27 | themill | lroe: they can't, of course, because the shell's cwd can't be changed by a child process. You could always wrap them in a shell function though. (actually, mkdir is the one that really needs that treatment) |
| 13:35.48 | lroe | themill, true |
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| 13:37.48 | Perdu | lroe: if what ennoys you is writing the repertory twice, you should consider the Meta+. shortcut in bash (and maybe other shells, I don't know) |
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| 13:38.11 | lroe | Perdu, and what does that get me? |
| 13:38.16 | caraconan | Hi there. With gnome, which program automounts the external usb drives? Loos like autofs is not installed |
| 13:38.17 | themill | or !$ |
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| 13:38.54 | atannus | Still cannot write to directory. |
| 13:39.09 | atannus | This should not be. |
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| 13:39.35 | Perdu | lroe: it writes last parameter of previous command(s) |
| 13:39.57 | lroe | ah so mkdir /foo/bar; cd $! |
| 13:40.16 | lroe | sorry cd ~$ |
| 13:40.18 | lroe | ugh |
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| 13:41.07 | Perdu | lroe: what's the good variable? |
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| 13:43.01 | lroe | I don't understand the question |
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| 13:44.24 | Perdu | You wrote $! and ~$; both are not correct, and I'm interested in knowing the good one |
| 13:44.36 | lroe | oh |
| 13:44.42 | lroe | !$ |
| 13:44.42 | dpkg | somebody said $ was a dollar sign, or not an S. |
| 13:44.48 | lroe | ha |
| 13:45.02 | caraconan | Hi there. With gnome, which program automounts the external usb drives? Loos like autofs is not installed |
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| 13:46.07 | themill | lroe, Perdu: !$ is the last argument on previous line you typed, not the last argument to the previous command in a list. You can't just separate the bits with a semicolon like that. |
| 13:46.36 | lroe | oh |
| 13:46.38 | atannus | I learned something. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg00283.html |
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| 13:47.53 | caraconan | Ok looks like is nautilus. Bye |
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| 13:48.15 | Cylta | Hi. I'm trying to launch jackd, already removed pulseaudio, and now I have gtk-gnash that is holding the access to sound device (hw:0), is it safe to kill it process? |
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| 13:49.37 | nvz | well if you think just runnin nautilus is gonna help you're wrong.. but you left before I could comment.. without gnome-settings-daemon most of the nautilus stuff wont work right |
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| 13:50.20 | nvz | Cylta: maybe, maybe not.. depends on your definition of safe and the relative alignment of the cosmos |
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| 13:50.59 | Cylta | nvz: nice answer ) |
| 13:51.23 | nvz | Cylta: heh, well sometimes killing something actually producing sound can leave your sound card in a state of rather annoying noise.. |
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| 13:52.15 | nvz | if I were to bet on anything screwing something up it'd be flash :-P |
| 13:52.24 | Cylta | nvz: looks like I can't kill it. it ressurects under new PID, how to remove it? what's the package it is? |
| 13:53.10 | nvz | Cylta: gnash its a swf player |
| 13:53.48 | Cylta | so, flash media streaming? can I just install some flash player instead? |
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| 13:54.01 | lpapp | so, how can I get my shm writable in chrooted wheezy? |
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| 13:54.37 | nvz | Cylta: you could use adobe flash.. which is trash but if I'm gonna run something trash like flash I feel more comfortable personally using the real thing.. figure its got less chance of undesireable outcomes |
| 13:54.58 | nvz | lpapp: bind mount perhaps? |
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| 13:56.51 | nvz | Cylta: I just use chrome packages from google personally it has that stuff rolled into it. But there is a flashplugin installer in non-free |
| 13:56.55 | Cylta | nice. I've removed it and lost my flash-media-streaming video. but now I can launch jack-rack =) |
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| 13:57.12 | Cylta | I wonder, when I will not have to choose, what to do, watch video, or use a microphone =( |
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| 13:59.51 | boudiccas | i'm trying to start a python programme but it comes back saying 'no module named setup tools'. where do i get them from please? |
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| 14:00.15 | Cylta | is there any other non-official flash player for linux other than gnash? |
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| 14:00.48 | clue_h | lightspark |
| 14:00.51 | Cylta | or any way how to force stop gnash from blocking audio device? |
| 14:00.51 | lpapp | nvz: how? |
| 14:01.11 | nvz | lpapp: mount -o bind /dir /chroot/dir |
| 14:01.17 | themill | boudiccas: "apt-cache search python setup tools" is probably a reasonable bet |
| 14:01.31 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 14:01.56 | lpapp | nvz: no, I mean from fstab |
| 14:02.02 | Cylta | omh... lightspark needs pulse audio and gnash.. both of what I've recently deleted because of their behave... |
| 14:02.15 | lpapp | also, the question is the /dir and /chroot/dir |
| 14:02.19 | lpapp | those are part of the question. |
| 14:02.22 | lpapp | I would not know what to what. |
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| 14:02.53 | nvz | lpapp: uh... /dir /chroot/dir none bind 0 0 |
| 14:03.01 | Cylta | any other flash player, that do not need gnash\pulseaudio? |
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| 14:03.33 | nvz | lpapp: well I dont know what you meant by shm just assumed your issue was not having access to something from within the chroot |
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| 14:03.42 | lpapp | nvz: /dev/shm |
| 14:03.43 | clue_h | Cylta, google chrome with its pepper thing |
| 14:03.51 | lpapp | or /run/shm if you like |
| 14:03.53 | Cylta | clue_h: thanks |
| 14:04.02 | lpapp | I am not sure which one I should choose |
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| 14:04.13 | lpapp | besides, I am not sure which directory of those I should choose, or even /tmp |
| 14:04.42 | nvz | lpapp: then just bind mount /dev/ inside the chroot. I've run uh.. whats that called... mono inside a chroot before it requires both /proc and /dev access.. so you gotta bind mount em |
| 14:04.59 | nvz | lpapp: sometimes you need more than one bind mount for things to work properly |
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| 14:05.16 | lpapp | nvz: really not sure what you mean. |
| 14:05.24 | lpapp | /dev/pts /mnt/wheezy/dev/pts auto bind 0 0 |
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| 14:05.44 | lpapp | -> /dev, /dev/pts, /proc are already in there. |
| 14:05.56 | nvz | lpapp: thats invalid syntax.. the place you put auto is the filesystem type which is none |
| 14:06.07 | gele | i have recently installed wheezy on a new laptop, and i transfered my evolution mail and settings using the builtin backup and restore function. i have a gmail imap account configured, and after restoring it stays connected to the imap server for a very long time (still hasn't disconnected after an hour) while the status bar says "Checking for new messages". there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of network traffic, but evolution keeps writing |
| 14:06.07 | gele | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.26 | nvz | lpapp: they may be in there already but they're not the real /dev/ and /proc/ |
| 14:06.41 | lpapp | nvz: not invalid syntax, they work. |
| 14:06.44 | nvz | lpapp: as in they're not actually attached to the running kernel. thats what a chroot is.. its isolated |
| 14:06.48 | lpapp | also, that is from a wiki anyhow. |
| 14:06.58 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 14:07.44 | nvz | you got two problems here.. 1) you're asking highly specific questions and we don't know what it is you're actually trying to accomplish and 2) you're acting like you know more than we do.. so you're not being very conducive to getting help on this matter |
| 14:08.25 | lpapp | actually, I did write several times what I am trying to achieve. |
| 14:08.44 | boudiccas | it says 'pip install pyradio' but i've apt-cache searched but cant find 'pip'. what is it and how do i get it please? is it the installion setup from some other distro? |
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| 14:10.08 | nvz | /lastlogs |
| 14:10.34 | clue_h | boudiccas, i think this is it https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip |
| 14:10.35 | musca | boudiccas: apt-file find /usr/bin/pip |
| 14:10.49 | boudiccas | okay, thanks folks |
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| 14:14.53 | nvz | lpapp: ok well from this point you should probably paste the output of cat /etc/mtab or df -Th on paste.debian.net along with any relevant errors you're having regarding access to files from the chroot |
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| 14:16.51 | lpapp | nvz: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/p06b5bd29/ |
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| 14:17.58 | nvz | boggles |
| 14:18.03 | Cylta | clue_h: what is the name of chrome flash player? can't find it in chrome web store... |
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| 14:18.17 | nvz | Cylta: its built in.. its not an app |
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| 14:18.37 | clue_h | Cylta, it has one built in, if you mean google chrome |
| 14:18.53 | Cylta | huh, so chromium does not have it? |
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| 14:18.54 | clue_h | Cylta, i think it is called pepper lol |
| 14:19.14 | clue_h | Cylta, last time i tried chromium no |
| 14:19.32 | nvz | lpapp: there is no need to recursively bind mount.. if you bind /dev then /dev/pts is already there.. |
| 14:20.10 | nvz | lpapp: and without any errors I'm to assume there is no problem and if there is one, its user error.. replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 14:20.15 | Cylta | pepper in chrome use official adobe flash player.. |
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| 14:20.24 | lpapp | nvz: how friendly you are. |
| 14:20.27 | lpapp | welcome to my ignore list |
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| 14:20.30 | Cylta | so, actually there are 2 big groups : real adobe player and gnash player.. |
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| 14:21.05 | clue_h | Cylta, and all inbetween :[ |
| 14:21.05 | nvz | fantastic.. why not just ignore all of #debian since you've argued with just about every regular supporter in here this morning |
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| 14:22.00 | nvz | I still see you in here in an hour and I'm asking to have you removed cause you're not interested in solving your problems you're just wasting our time |
| 14:22.14 | Cylta | clue_h: anyway, I will just download real adobe played in this case.. gnash is just too rude to my system. |
| 14:22.20 | mumpitzel | nvz: why bother with the moron: he already has you on ignore. |
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| 14:22.29 | clue_h | Cylta, i am working on the same problem, i dont want to use adobe flash, i thought of a messy plugin that sends the url to vlc! |
| 14:22.54 | Cylta | vlc can play flash streaming videos? |
| 14:23.05 | Cylta | that's a good idea |
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| 14:23.15 | clue_h | Cylta alot of them |
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| 14:23.31 | nvz | mumpitzel: supposedly.. didn't goto paste.debian.net nor did he paste errors indicating a problem like I asked. so why am I to believe he actually ignored? |
| 14:23.40 | Cylta | because anyway, whem i'm watching a video, I want it in a separated window =) if you will success, give me a link how to repeat |
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| 14:24.16 | clue_h | Cylta, with youtube, open vlc and then choose from media network stream |
| 14:24.17 | mumpitzel | nvz: we hope he tells the truth. other wise we still have to deal with him. better if he ignores us |
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| 14:24.51 | clue_h | Cylta so then it will use rtsp to open it, and some |
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| 14:25.15 | blue_pearl | hi did anyone got Android phone mounted on Debian ? I cant seem to do it, i got mtpfs but still it wont mount |
| 14:25.21 | Cylta | clue_h: youtube can show videos in HTML5, so it's not a problem. I'm thinking about other flash video sites, like see.md and many other |
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| 14:25.59 | clue_h | Cylta, sure i am guessing it will probably work on some other sites that use rtsp or mms |
| 14:26.21 | clue_h | But hopefully html5 will be all over the place |
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| 14:26.35 | lpapp | nvz: that qualifies this channel "well". |
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| 14:27.29 | nvz | lpapp: you're not even using debian first of all.. secondly you're misunderstanding and selectively ignoring advice. And nowhere do I see you actually indicating what your problem is other than you don't like everyone here |
| 14:28.08 | lpapp | you are full of misinterpratation |
| 14:28.14 | lpapp | but I do not mind; I will stop talking to you. |
| 14:28.19 | nvz | agreed |
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| 14:41.18 | rdz | hi all. we are running some debian hosts as openvz containers. those have been created from the same debian-openvz template and also share the same ssh host keys.. how bad is that from a security point of view? |
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| 14:42.47 | lpapp | seems it is not a common practice to bind mount /dev/shm. |
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| 14:48.07 | lpapp | I cannot link /dev/shm to /run/shm manually? |
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| 14:49.52 | QTPieMan | anybody tried qupzilla? is it good? |
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| 14:52.09 | peterrooney | rdz: that looks like a textbook "do not ever do this". Attackers will never believe that one machine always only has one unique IP address. |
| 14:52.18 | jelly-home | lpapp: it's common practice to mount lots of virtual kernel-only fs types, with chroots |
| 14:53.11 | lpapp | jelly-home: yes |
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| 14:54.30 | jelly-home | I bind-mount whatever's needed for the chroot to work well, sometimes it's nothing, sometimes /proc /sys /dev/pts /run /kitchensink |
| 14:54.48 | rdz | peterrooney, i don't really understand.. how is this related to having many IPs? |
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| 14:55.10 | lpapp | jelly-home: what to mount for shm to work properly? |
| 14:55.34 | jelly-home | lpapp: no idea. What tools complains and how does it fail to work? |
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| 14:56.51 | lpapp | jelly-home: bitbake cannot write it |
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| 14:57.11 | tyteen4a03 | hi, is it possible to add a package to the debian installer? I need http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek but not sure how I would add it so debian can use it |
| 14:57.12 | lpapp | jelly-home: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 |
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| 14:57.57 | mumpitzel | !tell tyteen4a03 about firmware image |
| 14:59.43 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, do I overwrite my current installer USB stick with the one provided there? |
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| 14:59.52 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: yes |
| 15:00.16 | nomike | hi |
| 15:00.22 | tyteen4a03 | alright - was worried a bit because the with-nonfree-drivers version seems smaller than the official version |
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| 15:00.45 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: the non-free one is a netinst image |
| 15:00.53 | nomike | I'm running a debian server with a few debian and ubuntu based VM's and I have problems with "/boot" becoming full from time to time. |
| 15:01.05 | jelly-home | lpapp: are you sure that's a /dev/shm issue at all? Can you point out a syscall failing? |
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| 15:01.23 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, I also downloaded the netinst image from debian's website unless that one is actually a non-netinst one in disguise |
| 15:01.27 | mumpitzel | nomike: do VMs put kernel into /boot? |
| 15:01.27 | tyteen4a03 | anyways, thanks |
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| 15:02.01 | lpapp | jelly-home: yes, we are suer. |
| 15:02.03 | lpapp | sure* |
| 15:02.08 | lpapp | I discussed that with the bitbake developers. |
| 15:02.09 | nomike | The problem is that I've enabled automatic security updates as these servers are used for a non-profit volunteer project where we have no dedicated sysadmin who has enough free resources to constantly manage these servers. |
| 15:02.51 | jelly-home | lpapp: can you show a strace of what _multiprocessing.SemLock() does? |
| 15:02.51 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso is 222MB while the image with firmware is 235MB |
| 15:02.56 | nomike | So with the security updates new kernels are installed and pile up and after some time "/boot" is full. In our baseline "/boot" has ~300MB total space. |
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| 15:03.15 | lpapp | jelly-home: no, sorry. |
| 15:03.16 | Azrael_- | nomike: does it automatically install new kernels? |
| 15:03.18 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... just a small question. With rsync command, if I put -a ( it includes "l"), which copies simlynks as simlynks... if I do -aL ( Will the L override the "l" to copy symliks as directories) ? |
| 15:03.32 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, oh - must be the x86 binaries then |
| 15:03.36 | nomike | Azrael_-, yes, when you enable automatic security updates. |
| 15:04.16 | nomike | Especially for the kernel these are always security related updates (feature updates or bugfix updates normally only go into new ubuntu/debian releases) |
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| 15:04.36 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: official 277MB vs 291MB for the one with firmware |
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| 15:04.59 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... just a small question. With rsync command, if I put -a ( it includes "l"), which copies simlynks as simlynks... if I do -aL ( Will the L override the "l" to copy symliks as directories) ? |
| 15:04.59 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, the one I have is 497MB |
| 15:05.29 | nomike | I'm thinking about writing a script which automatically uninstalls all kernels execpt the currently running one, the previous version and the most current version. I plan to run this script over night in a cronjob. |
| 15:06.00 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: where did you download it? URL? |
| 15:06.04 | nomike | Is there anything I should be aware of? Any security or stability related stuff I didn't think of? |
| 15:06.10 | jelly-home | lpapp: I'd make a simple python app calling that and failing the same way, and strace it, or strace -f your whole app and try to figure out what it actually tries to do |
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| 15:06.27 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, http://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.1.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso (taken from debian.org's quick download link) |
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| 15:07.27 | lpapp | jelly-home: you do not trust the bitbake developers? |
| 15:08.02 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: there is a multi amd64/i386 image for the unnoficial too. and that again is 15MB bigger than the official one due to the firmware. 500MB |
| 15:08.11 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... just a small question. With rsync command, if I put -a ( it includes "l"), which copies simlynks as simlynks... if I do -aL ( Will the L override the "l" to copy symliks as directories) ? |
| 15:08.13 | jelly-home | lpapp: I don't trust anyone when it comes to software. <g> |
| 15:08.19 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, yeah, figured it's the x86 binaries :P |
| 15:08.32 | jelly-home | especially not myself from 6 months back |
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| 15:09.05 | lpapp | jelly-home: well, give me a python statement then, and I can put it into the interpreter. |
| 15:09.21 | lpapp | anyway, 755 is wrong |
| 15:09.30 | lpapp | when you are not root, and you would like to write it. |
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| 15:09.39 | lpapp | I think that can be a common agreement denominator. |
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| 15:10.32 | jelly-home | lpapp: er, I have no idea what's the correct way to call that method... you'll have to figure it out your own |
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| 15:10.51 | jelly-home | but /dev/shm on wheezy looks like this |
| 15:10.58 | jelly-home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul 9 14:46 /dev/shm -> /run/shm |
| 15:10.58 | jelly-home | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 180 Jul 19 11:30 /run/shm |
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| 15:11.04 | lpapp | jelly-home: exactly |
| 15:11.07 | themill | Have we yet seen the actual bind mount command being used? |
| 15:11.07 | lpapp | that is 1777 |
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| 15:11.10 | lpapp | I have 755 |
| 15:11.16 | lpapp | and no symlink whatsoever. |
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| 15:12.05 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... just a small question. With rsync command, if I put -a ( it includes "l"), which copies simlynks as simlynks... if I do -aL ( Will the L override the "l" to copy symliks as directories) ? |
| 15:12.39 | jelly-home | lpapp: first, make sure that bind mount from /dev/shm or whatever to /media/wheezy/run/shm worked (look at /proc/mounts inside the chroot), then fix the permissions and make the symlink |
| 15:12.48 | ChibaPet | dimitry7: I don't know off the top of my head, but despite this, in that kind of case it seems well worth actually trying it on a little test case you build for the purpose. |
| 15:13.21 | lpapp | jelly-home: I do not have such a mount |
| 15:13.25 | lpapp | I was asking for the syntax of it. |
| 15:13.38 | lpapp | I have not found anything ready made on the internet just yet, so it is probably not a that popular wish. |
| 15:13.47 | themill | why would it be different to any other bind mount? |
| 15:14.02 | ChibaPet | lpapp: 'man mount' has some good examples of doing bind mounts. |
| 15:14.07 | jelly-home | lpapp: er, mount --bind /dev/shm /media/wheezy/run/shm ? |
| 15:14.12 | clue_h | lpapp, os.chmod("Videos/", 755) |
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| 15:14.55 | lpapp | jelly-home: not from /tmp? |
| 15:15.04 | lpapp | -> /dev/shm is also empty on my host. |
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| 15:15.54 | jelly-home | lpapp: grep shm /proc/mounts on the host says what? |
| 15:16.38 | lpapp | jelly-home: grep shm /proc/mounts |
| 15:16.39 | lpapp | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:16.51 | jelly-home | lpapp: so it's there alright |
| 15:17.31 | jelly-home | emptiness is irrelevant |
| 15:18.26 | lpapp | jelly-home: do you know the fstab options for the mount? |
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| 15:19.41 | lpapp | jelly-home: is it the same like for tmpfs on the host? |
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| 15:20.12 | jelly-home | lpapp: don't have them at hand, but I bet a search for bind mount fstab will show a google result or three |
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| 15:20.28 | lpapp | jelly-home: ln -sf /run/shm/ /dev/shm/ |
| 15:20.30 | jelly-home | lpapp: and yes, you'll have to put it on the host |
| 15:20.31 | themill | (and over an hour ago you were telling everyone you knew them already) |
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| 15:20.59 | lpapp | jelly-home: that ln -sf does not help |
| 15:21.03 | lpapp | it does not create the symlink. |
| 15:21.25 | jelly-home | lpapp: first set up the bind mount. symlink is a separate issue that can be dealt with later |
| 15:21.56 | lpapp | jelly-home: I executed the mount command above. |
| 15:22.04 | lpapp | so I thought for a test, the symlink would be the next step |
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| 15:22.23 | jelly-home | lpapp: did the mount work? |
| 15:22.31 | lpapp | jelly-home: I did not get errors at least. |
| 15:22.43 | lpapp | tmpfs /mnt/wheezy/run/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:22.58 | jelly-home | right, and in the chroot? |
| 15:23.04 | suy | I've added a 'git' user, but I forgot to pass --system to the adduser program. What steps can I do to fix that? I've edited /etc/shadow to disable the login and /home/git is fine. But I would like to lower the UID to make it disappear from the login manager. |
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| 15:23.13 | lpapp | jelly-home: what do you mean? |
| 15:23.41 | jelly-home | lpapp: grep shm /proc/mounts inside the chroot as well |
| 15:23.46 | suy | So, is editing /etc/passwd and chown the right way to "lower" the ID of a user? |
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| 15:23.58 | suy | (chown their files) |
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| 15:24.39 | mumpitzel | suy: lower to what and why? |
| 15:24.41 | ChibaPet | suy: You can always delete and restore the user. The trick is to make sure there's nothing sitting around owned by the old user. Nothing automagically changes ownership of things on the disk to match changes in the password database either way. |
| 15:24.52 | lpapp | jelly-home: grep shm /proc/mounts |
| 15:24.52 | lpapp | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:24.52 | lpapp | tmpfs /run/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 15:25.18 | ChibaPet | suy: This might be as easy as chown -R foo.bar /some/directory, or there might be other things in the system - /var/mail/foo or others. |
| 15:25.22 | jelly-home | lpapp: you seem to have done it multiple times! |
| 15:25.49 | lpapp | jelly-home: ? |
| 15:25.56 | lpapp | done what? |
| 15:26.00 | lpapp | I executed the mount, that is all. |
| 15:26.02 | suy | mumpitzel: what I said in the first message: I want to convert a regular user to a system user. Disabled login is done, but I would like to lower the ID to some "system" user value. |
| 15:26.04 | lpapp | after almost a fresh reboot. |
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| 15:26.32 | suy | ChibaPet: well, only stuff in /home/git is useful to me right now, I think |
| 15:26.56 | jelly-home | lpapp: well, you seem to have a separate /dev/shm mounted inside the chroot in addition to the bind mount you just made |
| 15:27.07 | ChibaPet | suy: So, either use vipw or edit the password, or userdel / useradd, however you want to do it, and chown the stuff in /home/git to make it match after you're done. Many options here. |
| 15:27.21 | ChibaPet | s/password/& file/ |
| 15:27.54 | jelly-home | lpapp: this in turn implies /media/wheezy/dev/shm was an existing directory at some point, which would prevent creation of a symlink in the same place |
| 15:27.56 | ChibaPet | suy: Just be aware of mail spools, crontabs, or other things that can come into existence on a system owned by a user. |
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| 15:28.05 | lpapp | jelly-home: truly, but I do not know why. |
| 15:28.09 | lpapp | we only intended to mount one. |
| 15:28.20 | lpapp | jelly-home: I see. |
| 15:28.37 | lpapp | jelly-home: I am not sure what mounts /dev/shm |
| 15:28.39 | jelly-home | lpapp: figure out where it came from, get rid of it, make a symlink instead and you should be done |
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| 15:29.09 | lpapp | jelly-home: yeah, but I do not know how to figure out, really. |
| 15:29.10 | suy | ChibaPet: ok. vipw <<-- that's new to me, great! I think only meaningful stuff (to me) is under /home. I was just worried one might need to change other stuff besides ownership of files when changing the ID number. |
| 15:29.13 | lpapp | it is not in /etc/fstab |
| 15:29.19 | lpapp | I did not run a mounting command. |
| 15:29.46 | lpapp | grep shm /proc/mounts |
| 15:29.46 | lpapp | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:29.46 | lpapp | tmpfs /mnt/wheezy/run/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:29.51 | lpapp | it is like that on the host, too |
| 15:29.57 | lpapp | well, I could probably eject manually? |
| 15:29.59 | lpapp | umount* |
| 15:30.10 | ChibaPet | suy: No, that's about it. |
| 15:30.18 | lpapp | sudo umount /mnt/wheezy/dev/shm/ |
| 15:30.18 | lpapp | [sudo] password for lpapp: |
| 15:30.18 | lpapp | umount: /mnt/wheezy/dev/shm/: not mounted |
| 15:30.21 | suy | ChibaPet: ok. Thanks a lot! |
| 15:30.25 | lpapp | now, that is getting overly strange .... jelly-home |
| 15:30.37 | jelly-home | lpapp: and without that extra /? |
| 15:30.38 | ChibaPet | suy: Just make sure you don't miss hidden files, etc. Once you've made the UID change, chown -R git.git /home/git or similar to get everything in there. |
| 15:31.04 | lpapp | jelly-home: udo umount /mnt/wheezy/dev/shm |
| 15:31.05 | lpapp | umount: /mnt/wheezy/dev/shm: not mounted |
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| 15:31.35 | suy | ChibaPet: excellent. Thanks again. |
| 15:31.35 | jelly-home | lpapp: oh, then it's procfs namespace weirdness that can be ignored |
| 15:31.58 | lpapp | jelly-home: means? |
| 15:32.14 | jelly-home | lpapp: "ignore it" |
| 15:33.22 | jelly-home | lpapp: anyway, I'm going afk, good luck and learn your ln and mount linux basics! |
| 15:33.47 | lpapp | well, ln did not work |
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| 15:34.02 | lpapp | I have been using ln for 10+ years, that was not an issue, really. :) |
| 15:34.10 | jelly-home | begs to differ |
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| 15:35.29 | lpapp | also, mounting shm in bind mode is hardly basics. |
| 15:35.36 | lpapp | even google does not bring up results. |
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| 15:43.20 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... just a small question. With rsync command, if I put -a ( it includes "l"), which copies simlynks as simlynks... if I do -aL ( Will the L override the "l" to copy symliks as directories) ? |
| 15:43.52 | jordanm | dimitry7: test it? |
| 15:44.26 | dimitry7 | :- |
| 15:44.28 | dimitry7 | S |
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| 15:45.51 | nvz | dimitry7: for a small question it got really big over the course of the last half an hour when you asked it every 3 minutes.. I read it the first time. wait, or rephrase.. don't repeat |
| 15:46.53 | nvz | your question is fairly incomprehensible for one thing, for another its something a very simple test could answer |
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| 15:50.39 | nvz | lpapp: have you even tried to chroot /mnt/wheezy then from inside the chroot just touch /dev/shm/this? |
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| 15:51.09 | nvz | cause I think we can all agree (except you perhaps) that after all this nobody has any reason to believe there is even a problem with /dev/shm |
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| 15:51.39 | lpapp | ? |
| 15:51.50 | lpapp | ls -lda /dev/shm does not show the symlink as it cannot be symlinked. |
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| 15:51.55 | lpapp | and jelly-home even explained why |
| 15:52.07 | lpapp | so no, only you agree about your thought so far. |
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| 15:52.24 | nvz | yes you cannot symlink inside a chroot but if /dev/ is bind mounted thats fairly irrelevant |
| 15:52.43 | lpapp | ? |
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| 15:53.09 | nvz | no, we all agree.. cause we've all asked you to produce a specific error and we haven't seen one yet.. so if you think its /dev/shm test your theory |
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| 15:54.25 | nvz | I can touch /dev/shm/test if I bind mount /dev/ somewhere and chroot to there you should be able to do the same |
| 15:54.31 | moxie | hey guys, i just built a set of nginx packages using dpkg-buildpackage, is it okay to dpkg -i the debs if i already have the vanilla ones installed? |
| 15:54.38 | nvz | that will at least prove your theory |
| 15:54.43 | lpapp | I honestly do not know what you are talking about. |
| 15:55.25 | nvz | lpapp: you're basing this whole hours of support on this issue on /dev/shm not being writable from within the chroot.. you haven't given any demonstration that this is even true |
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| 15:55.45 | lpapp | jesus |
| 15:55.57 | lpapp | I think you are just trolling now. |
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| 15:56.42 | nvz | ok well then I take that to mean you don't want help.. because you cant after 4 hours even produce an error or do a simple test |
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| 15:56.56 | lpapp | please leave me alone yes |
| 15:57.01 | lpapp | I do not need any help from _you_. |
| 15:57.16 | lpapp | cheers |
| 15:57.29 | nvz | then go to OFTC, see if they can help you.. quit badgering us and not taking adice |
| 15:57.40 | moxie | bind mount should work |
| 15:57.45 | moxie | or take 2 minutes to test |
| 15:57.52 | nvz | yeah no kidding |
| 15:58.01 | lpapp | sigh |
| 15:58.39 | lpapp | please prefer reading back rather than troll. |
| 15:58.50 | lpapp | really, I do not need trolling at all. |
| 15:58.56 | lpapp | if you cannot read back fine, but be silent. |
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| 15:59.27 | nvz | I have read back.. I've even logged it all and you are the one trolling. you've taken up most of the space in this channel for 4 hours straight while other people are asking straightforward questions and taking advice |
| 15:59.42 | lpapp | you are not supposed to be here to lift your ego |
| 15:59.49 | lpapp | people are here to solve problems. |
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| 15:59.58 | leknoppix | -fr |
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| 16:00.24 | nvz | besides reading back has nothing to do with how this support works.. you are to work with people as they arrive here and try to help if I just got here and see you talking about not being able to write /dev/shm I expect you to be able to do a simple test to verify that |
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| 16:01.34 | moxie | the entire channel is getting an ego boost |
| 16:01.57 | moxie | at least im not that guy |
| 16:02.32 | nvz | moxie: if they are the same or greater version number, it will overwrite them |
| 16:02.42 | nvz | otherwise it will fail to install |
| 16:02.50 | moxie | nvz, awesome, thanks |
| 16:02.58 | moxie | i like when things fail instead of doing something crazy |
| 16:03.12 | nvz | yeah I don't see any reason you should have any craziness there |
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| 16:03.31 | moxie | yeap, followed http://sjp.co.nz/posts/building-nginx-for-debian-systems/ |
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| 16:03.41 | moxie | fantasic |
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| 16:05.10 | nvz | seems like a fairly straighforward patch and build proceedure |
| 16:05.36 | moxie | yeah, better than centos |
| 16:06.09 | moxie | this is exactly why i chose debian |
| 16:06.23 | nvz | I'll take your word for it.. as far as I'm concerned Debian is the best OS on the planet and beyond. But I based my decision on agreeing with the Social Contract and Why Debian documents |
| 16:06.26 | moxie | though...i am running debian testing on the host machine |
| 16:06.47 | moxie | so i could get latest virtualbox without all kinds of repo craziness |
| 16:06.57 | moxie | just switch to testing, works fine |
| 16:07.05 | moxie | though it doesnt work if you expect to do openswan + KLIPS |
| 16:07.09 | moxie | because of 3.9 kernel i guess |
| 16:07.14 | nvz | I tend to use upstream virtualbox because debian has the OSE and it lacks a few features |
| 16:07.26 | moxie | which? |
| 16:07.35 | moxie | i havent noticeed |
| 16:07.52 | nvz | they summarize the difference between Virtualbox and Virtualbox OSE on their website |
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| 16:10.06 | moxie | do they? |
| 16:10.25 | moxie | not seeing that |
| 16:11.25 | nvz | moxie: oh.. I know why you don't see the difference.. haha |
| 16:11.39 | nvz | moxie: they changed it and now the extras are part of an expansion pack you can install |
| 16:11.49 | moxie | cool |
| 16:11.50 | moxie | yeah i install that |
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| 16:12.05 | nvz | moxie: it was just USB 2.0 support and RDP support that the OSE lacked |
| 16:12.07 | moxie | im using almost all features...except teleporting and balooning |
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| 16:12.33 | nvz | been awhile since I used it |
| 16:12.42 | moxie | ballooning doesnt work for me yet, because VMs cant release memory to poweroff for some reason...i think ballooning isnt automated and is pretty much manual |
| 16:13.15 | moxie | i was hoping i could use it to give all vms 128MB and then an extra 64 each to be shared among whichever vm needed it |
| 16:13.24 | moxie | but i dont think thats how it works |
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| 16:14.03 | nvz | moxie: the only other issue I can think of why to use the upstream is because they offer deb packages that integrate well and when you need support their support team is gonna want you to have the latest version.. cause they do a lot of fixes that may not make it into debian's stable packages |
| 16:14.27 | moxie | ok |
| 16:14.39 | nvz | its just a matter of if you wanna have support here or in the virtualbox channel |
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| 16:14.59 | moxie | maybe when i rebuild this host on encrypted hardware raid i will just use debian stable and use the official packages |
| 16:15.01 | nvz | I prefer upstream support cause they're more knowledgable on the subject |
| 16:15.19 | aBound | Howdy all, is it ideal that when installing Debian 7 to upgrade the kernel to a newer kernel such as one on Kernel.org? |
| 16:15.38 | aBound | Or in turn just use Debian Testing. |
| 16:15.53 | mumpitzel | aBound: neither usually. do you need a newer kernel? |
| 16:16.15 | aBound | mumpitzel, I have newer hardware figures a newer kernel would be ideal. |
| 16:16.16 | nvz | aBound: generally speaking run with the debian kernel unless you have issues, and first thing to try is one of Kenshi Muto's backport kernels if you need additional support of a newer kernel as its simpler to do that rolling your own |
| 16:16.42 | mumpitzel | aBound: for what hardware do you want a new kernel. be specific (PCI IDs are best) |
| 16:16.45 | nvz | aBound: its one of those things you probably shouldn't mess with unless you have specific issues or just want to learn more about kernels |
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| 16:18.04 | aBound | I guess all my hardware more or less. My Intel SSD, My wifi adapter: Intel Centrino N-6300, My mouse logitech I can't name everything as I don't know every piece. But I also own a nVidia driver lemme check the name for it. |
| 16:18.08 | nvz | aBound: Kenshi Muto has done great things with debian kernel support, he maintains a Hardware Compatibility Checker online http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and builds backported kernels for stable |
| 16:18.29 | aBound | nVidia Geforce GTX 560M. |
| 16:18.40 | mumpitzel | aBound: the kernel doesn't matter there |
| 16:18.43 | aBound | nvz, I'll check it out. |
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| 16:19.16 | mumpitzel | maybe, but just maybe it matters with the wlan. everything else is ancient and irrelevant |
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| 16:19.50 | aBound | Hmm, Debian 7 is running a 3.2 kernel right. |
| 16:19.52 | lpapp | I think the problem boils down to the bloody fact one cannot create symlinks inside chroot. |
| 16:19.55 | aBound | So I assume I should be good. |
| 16:20.20 | aBound | Seeing as Ubuntu precise was running a 3.2 kernel. |
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| 16:20.33 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, hi, I'm back - I used the iso you gave me and the driver is still missing |
| 16:20.46 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, it's missing rt18618e-3.fw |
| 16:20.51 | nvz | lpapp: you can, you just can't symlink from inside to outside. but thats not an issue if /dev/ is bind mounted inside the chroot, because the symlinks no longer point to outside if the whole dir is bind mounted |
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| 16:21.43 | nvz | lpapp: I told you earlier you do not want to bind /dev/shm when you already have /dev binded |
| 16:21.56 | aBound | Thanks guys. :) |
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| 16:22.24 | lpapp | nvz: that is nonsense. |
| 16:22.44 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: that file is in the firmware-realtek package in non-free and should be on that ISO |
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| 16:22.55 | nvz | no, its fact.. as I said I run mono in chroot.. it requires both /dev and /proc access to function |
| 16:23.23 | lpapp | nvz: then why could I not create the symlink inside? |
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| 16:23.45 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, I downloaded this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:23.50 | Siebjee | Hi all, i'm wondering where debian is storing its old installation if you have re-installed debian but stated that you didn't want a format while leaving the old data intact |
| 16:24.06 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, unless I should actually click Yes if it prompts that it is missing... |
| 16:24.23 | mumpitzel | prompt about what missing? what exact prompt? |
| 16:24.30 | lpapp | nvz: why does it not have effect when I do ln -sf /run/shm /dev/shm? |
| 16:24.35 | nvz | lpapp: you don't create the symlinks. You bind mount /dev and /run inside the chroot and when inside the chroot it thinks /dev/shm -> /run/shm is the same as outside |
| 16:24.36 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, Detect Network Hardware |
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| 16:24.52 | babilen | tyteen4a03: The installer *might* still complain and ask you to insert a removable medium even though it successfully loaded the firmware. Are you sure that the firmware *really* wasn't loaded (e.g. message on tty4 or device still not working or so) |
| 16:24.53 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitzel, it's prompting to load the firmware from removable media (in this case my usb stick) |
| 16:24.53 | ctmjr | and it begins again |
| 16:25.07 | tyteen4a03 | babilen, how would I check? |
| 16:25.08 | lpapp | jelly-home: oh, arch has arch-chroot |
| 16:25.15 | lpapp | which makes the long chroot line a lot simpler. |
| 16:25.25 | nvz | lpapp: when in a chroot it knows of nothing beyond the root of the chroot which in your case is /mnt/wheezy/ so you have to bind /dev to /mnt/wheezy/dev and /run to /mnt/wheezy/run |
| 16:25.45 | babilen | tyteen4a03: Try to use the device, check the "dmesg|grep firmware" output on tty2 (ALT-F2) or messages on tty (ALT-F4) |
| 16:25.59 | lpapp | sudo arch-chroot /mnt/wheezy/ |
| 16:25.59 | lpapp | # ls |
| 16:26.02 | lpapp | oopsie |
| 16:26.09 | babilen | tyteen4a03: But those messages are normal, the firmware is, however, really on that ISO and should have been loaded. |
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| 16:26.52 | tyteen4a03 | babilen, unable to load firmware patch *firmware location* (-2) |
| 16:26.53 | lpapp | nvz: those are already mounted man ... |
| 16:26.59 | lpapp | except /run |
| 16:27.22 | nvz | lpapp: well it can't follow a link from /mnt/wheezy/dev/shm to /run/shm cause /run is outside the chroot |
| 16:27.35 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: the .deb is certainly in pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree inside that ISO |
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| 16:27.39 | Setsuna | hi there, I'm looking for a graphics designer for a work. If you are interested pm me. thanks :) |
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| 16:27.51 | nvz | lpapp: thats why you gotta bind mount it.. and the bind mount you had earlier for /dev/shm is wrong.. should be bind for /run |
| 16:27.56 | lpapp | nvz: not even when /run is bound, really. |
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| 16:28.01 | babilen | tyteen4a03: check /lib/firmware and also the dmesg output, but this is all pointless ... I mean what you care about is if the device is working. So, try to use it. If it works: yay! If not: Lets debug! |
| 16:28.03 | lpapp | ln -sf /run/shm /dev/shm |
| 16:28.07 | mumpitzel | tyteen4a03: you can copy the firmware .fw file into /firmware/ into the USB stick |
| 16:28.08 | lpapp | ls -lda /dev/shm |
| 16:28.08 | lpapp | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jul 25 16:26 /dev/shm |
| 16:28.21 | lpapp | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul 25 16:26 shm -> /run/shm |
| 16:28.28 | lpapp | oh, that should be alright now |
| 16:28.32 | nvz | lpapp: you cannot link that stuff because its BIND MOUNTED.. you'll screw up the host if you mess with bind mounts like that |
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| 16:28.40 | nvz | the link already exists |
| 16:28.50 | nvz | you just need the source and destination bound |
| 16:29.01 | lpapp | nvz: you are not making sense. :) |
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| 16:29.05 | lpapp | it is already working apparently. |
| 16:29.34 | lpapp | I did not bind /run |
| 16:29.43 | tyteen4a03 | looks like the device is doing its job correctly even when I pressed No, so yay |
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| 16:31.34 | nvz | lpapp: technically you did.. cause you had /dev/shm binded which is a link to /run/shm |
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| 16:31.50 | nvz | mount follows the symlink, chroot does not |
| 16:31.58 | nvz | chroot follows it relative to its own root |
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| 16:32.19 | nvz | which is why bind mounting /dev/shm is wrong |
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| 16:32.57 | daemon | hey all do I need all 7 cd iso's |
| 16:33.07 | babilen | tyteen4a03: yeah, that is an unfortunate UI bug |
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| 16:33.16 | babilen | daemon: Do you expect to have no internet access at all? |
| 16:33.27 | nvz | daemon: you don't need any particularly if you have internet access on the machine you're installing to |
| 16:33.32 | daemon | babilen, its for a laptop I do not have internet till wireless is availible |
| 16:33.39 | daemon | but I am capable of configuring wpa_supplicant from cli |
| 16:33.42 | daemon | I don not need a desktop |
| 16:33.50 | daemon | or X even |
| 16:33.56 | nvz | daemon: there are install images with firmware for wifi |
| 16:34.18 | daemon | nvm I never spotted those on the site 3rd party? |
| 16:34.20 | babilen | daemon: The entire set contains *all* packages in Debian -- For installation you only need the netinstall installer which can then access online repositories as needed. Our installer support wifi connection but your device might require firmware. I would therefore recommend to use the netinst with firmware. |
| 16:34.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell daemon -about install debian |
| 16:34.29 | nvz | daemon: what is the wifi adapter on the laptop? or the current OS on it for that matter? |
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| 16:34.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell daemon firmware image |
| 16:34.39 | daemon | nvz, FreeBSD let me check laptop model |
| 16:34.53 | nvz | daemon: well in freebsd you can lspci -nn no? |
| 16:34.57 | babilen | daemon: The other images simply contain (in a way "pre-downloaded") packages. |
| 16:35.16 | babilen | *additional packages |
| 16:35.29 | nvz | daemon: assuming its a pci wifi card anyhow |
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| 16:36.19 | daemon | nvz, dell inspirion 2650 |
| 16:37.01 | babilen | daemon: Can you not run "lspci -nn" on your box (or get hold of the pci id by other means) ? |
| 16:37.08 | daemon | sure sec |
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| 16:37.25 | nvz | daemon: yeah we only really need the pciid of the network card to tell you what installer you need |
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| 16:37.49 | moxie | that install cd with firmware is pretty nice |
| 16:38.08 | babilen | That being said: The likelihood that your card is supported by the wheezy installer with firmware is pretty high :) |
| 16:38.30 | moxie | worked for me... |
| 16:38.34 | nvz | yeah I've never used it.. I personally do my installs wired. Think installing over wifi is silly |
| 16:39.13 | babilen | prefers wired too, but then .. why not? |
| 16:39.40 | tyteen4a03 | next up: Installing Base system, got this: Failed to determine the codename for the release |
| 16:39.49 | daemon | well that ends that discussion |
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| 16:39.53 | daemon | the laptop does not have wifi |
| 16:39.54 | nvz | I'd only really recommend an install over wifi if you can't get wired access.. |
| 16:39.59 | nvz | daemon: haha |
| 16:40.00 | daemon | let me check with pcmcia cards I have handy |
| 16:40.04 | daemon | which* |
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| 16:41.19 | babilen | daemon: Well, you can use the netinstall image to install a minimal system and take it from there. But I would recommend to use, say, CD1 if you have no means to connect to the internet (because you lack the hardware) because that allows you to install the base system + standard task. |
| 16:41.49 | babilen | It should be fairly obvious that connecting to a wifi network is out of the question if you have no wifi adaptor ;) |
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| 16:45.31 | HelenaKitty | why wont the experimental repo for sid not work?! o.o |
| 16:45.38 | tyteen4a03 | (if it matters, my USB stick is actually a 3G modem with SD card functionality, so it has 2 partitions - one for the drivers of the 3G modem and one for the SD card) |
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| 16:47.06 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: there is no experimental repo for sid. there simply is experimental |
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| 16:48.04 | Desert_eagle | how could i change file permissions for files in my own dpkg? |
| 16:48.33 | HelenaKitty | I <3 u Desert_eagle :3 |
| 16:48.39 | Desert_eagle | wut? |
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| 16:48.52 | HelenaKitty | THE LOVE EAGLE HAS LANDED! |
| 16:48.56 | Desert_eagle | lol |
| 16:49.42 | Desert_eagle | so what about private files in my package? |
| 16:49.46 | Desert_eagle | how could i get it? |
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| 16:50.09 | daemon | babilen, ofc I just never expected a laptop to nhot have wifi ;p |
| 16:50.13 | babilen | HelenaKitty: Please, play elsewhere. |
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| 16:51.03 | SmashingX | how can I compress a directory using lzma? |
| 16:51.23 | TribalMan | anyone here know of a reference I can use to point out that MS sharepoint sucks up bandwidth? |
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| 16:52.29 | nvz | TribalMan: I have no idea what that is, makes it sound Offtopic.. parhaps what you meant was you want to know how to monitor and record bandwidth usage in debian? |
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| 16:53.36 | nvz | personally I run tomato-usb on my routers and it does realtime monitoring with a web interface.. makes these things fairly straighforward |
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| 16:55.07 | daemon | nvz, babilen ok got an old usb linksys thing I thrown in the box because it has a broken aerial and re soldered it up |
| 16:55.11 | daemon | lets see if we get something with this ;p |
| 16:55.41 | daemon | it looks in realtively good shape at least |
| 16:55.53 | daemon | relatively* |
| 16:56.19 | nvz | daemon: do you not have means to just plug it in for the install? that really is the best way.. it'll be faster and less problematic |
| 16:56.23 | TribalMan | nvz: my apologies, wrong channel |
| 16:56.34 | daemon | ok detected URAL0 ciscolinksys |
| 16:56.35 | nvz | TribalMan: no worries. was just tryin to help :-P |
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| 16:57.50 | daemon | hey and where working |
| 16:57.58 | daemon | wonder if I can screw it back together without breaking the case it came in |
| 16:58.10 | nvz | installs are fairly unattended.. I usually just take my machine over to the router and plug it in when it wants to detect the network and as soon as it stops downloading and begins to install packages I unplug it and wander off.. heh |
| 16:58.45 | daemon | thats not quite the problem here; I only just moved to this premeiss the only wifi there is; is from my neighbnour who has give me his key while mine is activated ( 2 weeks) |
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| 16:58.54 | daemon | I do not want to impose by wandering over with my cat-5 :P |
| 16:59.36 | nvz | daemon: ah yes well that is the one case where you use wifi to install.. but I'd still try use another machine with ipmasq/windows ICS or such but its certainly doable over wifi |
| 17:00.04 | daemon | I could just use my desktop (this one) to downlaod cd1 too ;) |
| 17:00.14 | nvz | I just like having my one netinst to rule them all.. :-P |
| 17:01.04 | nvz | though honestly I moved away from even using thumbdrives.. I use TFTP to boot parted magic and debian installer these days.. another reason I strongly prefer wired.. no install media at all |
| 17:01.25 | SmashingX | how can I compress a directory using lzma? |
| 17:01.25 | daemon | yeah I tried thumbdrive already the bios does not support it |
| 17:01.26 | daemon | lol |
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| 17:01.53 | nvz | daemon: heh well thats why I love doing PXE cause even really old crap that wont do usb usually still does PXE |
| 17:02.23 | nvz | and its real easy once your server is setup to drop new updated installers and other distros into a pxe server |
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| 17:03.12 | nvz | its just a preference for scalability and ease of use for doing more than one install at a time.. guess its obviously not for everyone |
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| 17:11.42 | lpapp | ls /usr/local/arm-2009q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 17:11.43 | lpapp | /usr/local/arm-2009q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 17:11.47 | lpapp | /usr/local/arm-2009q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v |
| 17:11.48 | lpapp | bash: /usr/local/arm-2009q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 17:11.50 | lpapp | uh, huh? |
| 17:12.05 | queldo | how to assert (and stop script with error message) if $foo contains valid string, e.g. matching regexp [a-zA-Z0-9] |
| 17:12.19 | lpapp | why is that, really? |
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| 17:18.12 | jordanm | queldo: if [[ $foo ]]; then echo "foo contains a non-empty string: $foo"; exit 1; fi |
| 17:18.20 | jordanm | assuming you meant in bash |
| 17:18.47 | queldo | thanks jordanm . also got info about ~= on #bash |
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| 17:21.07 | SmashingX | ls -l |
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| 17:23.03 | cthuluh | ls: .: No such file or directory |
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| 17:26.51 | Th0masR0ss | can I make my systemm use the BIOS time as my system time? |
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| 17:28.47 | SmashingX | to compress using lzma I did: tar -cvf directory.lzma directory/ --lzma |
| 17:28.55 | SmashingX | but how can I specify the level of compression? |
| 17:28.59 | SmashingX | somebody? |
| 17:29.54 | Th0masR0ss | actually |
| 17:30.15 | Th0masR0ss | Debian thinks that my BIOS time is UTC. How can I make debian realize that it's local time? |
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| 17:32.40 | jordanm | SmashingX: tar -cv directory | lzma -9 -c - > directory.tar.lzma |
| 17:32.40 | McLive | lol |
| 17:32.40 | McLive | ^^ |
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| 17:33.05 | SmashingX | lemme try that |
| 17:34.08 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: are you dual-booting? |
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| 17:34.40 | ompaul | SmashingX: not what you asked, but usually I create all my tarballs and then run bzip2 -9 if I hope never to open them again |
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| 17:35.06 | Th0masR0ss | nvz: no |
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| 17:35.10 | SmashingX | ompaul: lzma is better than bzip2 |
| 17:35.15 | SmashingX | for compression |
| 17:35.23 | SmashingX | that's why I want to use lzma |
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| 17:35.57 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: then your time SHOULD be in UTC and it should change that when it shutsdown/boots up.. cause thats how its suppose to work.. usually the only time this becomes a problem is when you got windows or something also modifying your clock |
| 17:36.06 | lpapp | is there a meta package for lib32 devel while using 64 bit? |
| 17:36.19 | Th0masR0ss | nvz: ok. |
| 17:36.40 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: perhaps you just need some form of ntp on your system |
| 17:36.46 | mumpitzel | !tell Th0masR0ss about utc |
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| 17:37.02 | mumpitzel | !tell lpapp about multiarch |
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| 17:38.06 | volume_8 | How can I execute 'i3lock' (a screenlock) when I pm-suspend my Debian laptop? |
| 17:38.18 | SmashingX | I wonder if lzma still will win against the best non-free zip compressor |
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| 17:38.57 | mumpitzel | aren't those just tweake lzma? |
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| 17:39.43 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey, where should I report a bug in Debian's compilation of MySQL? Sorry if this is an obvious question |
| 17:40.07 | mumpitzel | DoctorWedgeworth: via reportbug |
| 17:40.20 | mumpitzel | but check bugs.debian.org first |
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| 17:40.40 | nvz | volume_8: man 8 pm-suspend you can insert hooks in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ |
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| 17:41.08 | DoctorWedgeworth | thanks mumpitzel |
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| 17:41.14 | SmashingX | mumpitzel: are you saying that commercial zip compressors use a similar lzma algorithm? |
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| 17:41.53 | SmashingX | jordanm++ |
| 17:42.19 | Th0masR0ss | nvz: awesome, setting the bios time to utc worke |
| 17:42.20 | SmashingX | mhh seems like you guys don't have the points system here |
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| 17:42.25 | CuteAlien | Hi. I would need to install an old library which is no longer avaiblable in wheezy (libglew 1.5) but was in squeeze. Is there some simple way to do that (and have it installed parallel to the 1.7 version)? |
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| 17:42.47 | Th0masR0ss | SmashingX: /msg dpkg karma jordanm |
| 17:42.57 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: yes generally speaking POSIX OSes expect hardware time to be in UTC, where as commercial systems like windows expect local time |
| 17:43.04 | Th0masR0ss | i see |
| 17:43.17 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: I found it strange you even had a problem if you're not dual-booting |
| 17:43.29 | Th0masR0ss | nvz: this system used to have windows on it |
| 17:43.34 | SmashingX | Th0masR0ss: so nick++ doesn't work anymore? |
| 17:43.41 | Th0masR0ss | SmashingX: it does |
| 17:43.47 | SmashingX | ???? |
| 17:43.49 | Th0masR0ss | karma <nick> shows their karma |
| 17:43.56 | SmashingX | it didn't say anything when I did that |
| 17:43.56 | mumpitzel | SmashingX: my bad. the "best" compression algorithm is usually PAQ. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAQ6 |
| 17:43.58 | Th0masR0ss | which is given with <nick>++ |
| 17:44.00 | nvz | SmashingX: you gotta prepend it with ! to trigger the bot |
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| 17:44.18 | jordanm | how long as dpkg had that feature? |
| 17:44.21 | Th0masR0ss | !karma jordanm |
| 17:44.21 | dpkg | jordanm has karma of 1 |
| 17:44.22 | Th0masR0ss | see |
| 17:44.23 | nvz | SmashingX: otherwise it ignores it so it'd be !jordanm++ |
| 17:44.32 | SmashingX | is that the point I gave to him? |
| 17:44.44 | Th0masR0ss | dpkg++ |
| 17:44.46 | SmashingX | oh I see |
| 17:44.54 | SmashingX | !jordanm++ |
| 17:44.54 | Th0masR0ss | i don't know |
| 17:44.58 | nvz | the bot only responds by name or by trigger |
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| 17:45.05 | moxie | @_@ why does debian use ECDSA ssh keys by default |
| 17:45.15 | SmashingX | !karma jordanm |
| 17:45.16 | moxie | ECDSA has been weak since it was created |
| 17:45.16 | Th0masR0ss | SmashingX: 13:44 <dpkg> jordanm has karma of 2 |
| 17:45.20 | SmashingX | oh I see |
| 17:45.22 | SmashingX | now he has 2 |
| 17:45.24 | SmashingX | cool |
| 17:45.29 | dpkg | jordanm has karma of 2 |
| 17:45.42 | SmashingX | thanks |
| 17:45.50 | Th0masR0ss | !tell SmashingX about msg the bot |
| 17:46.01 | SmashingX | mumpitzel: it's that for ZIP? |
| 17:46.21 | mumpitzel | SmashingX: zip is usually lzw algorithm |
| 17:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lpapp, depends what's in it. the error suggests it's a shell script with an invalid shebang line... it might also not be executable (that should be "permission denied", though) or the wrong architecture (which also should be some other error) |
| 17:46.39 | SmashingX | so what software uses PAQ? |
| 17:46.43 | dondelelcaro | moxie: because that's the upstream default? |
| 17:46.45 | nvz | SmashingX: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 17:47.04 | moxie | dondelelcaro, oh, ive seen debian make changes to SSH that werent upstream |
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| 17:47.09 | Hydroxide | moxie: that's somewhat of a strong statement. if you're the person who your nick suggests, you're more qualified than me, but other similarly more-qualified-than-me people seem to choose it in secure setups. |
| 17:47.19 | mumpitzel | SmashingX: please read the wikipedia article I linked |
| 17:47.22 | SmashingX | because onviously gzip is not using it, it is not very good with compression |
| 17:47.27 | moxie | haha, ECDSA is garbage |
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| 17:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, guess I shouldn't have answered something that long back from the scrollback :P |
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| 17:47.41 | Hydroxide | moxie: (regarding the weakness itself, I mean. debian has certainly made various changes, and also avoided some because of upstream defaults. depends.) |
| 17:47.44 | dondelelcaro | moxie: so set HostKeyAlgorithms appropriately |
| 17:48.06 | moxie | ill submit a bugfix |
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| 17:48.37 | basic6 | Will Psymon (system monitor, ksysguard alternative) be available in the repository anytime soon? |
| 17:48.46 | totimkopf | hi, apt-cache add file(s), can those files be *.deb, if so, I've tried that and it outputs E: unimplemented |
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| 17:49.35 | SmashingX | I wonder also if is there any limit for file compression |
| 17:49.49 | ompaul | SmashingX: small files bad big files good |
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| 17:49.53 | Hydroxide | moxie: if you are moxie marlinspike, you seem to have released tackpy, a python library to do AES and ECDSA operations, which seems at odds with the criticism of ECDSA unless your opinion changed. |
| 17:49.54 | oxxxybanan | anybody have bananas? |
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| 17:50.13 | moxie | Hydroxide, pfft, thast not me |
| 17:50.38 | SmashingX | I wonder if I can get a better compressor in the deep web |
| 17:50.39 | SmashingX | lol |
| 17:50.43 | moxie | ecdsa sucks, i just noticed that itw as in use, thats all |
| 17:50.55 | CuteAlien | limit for file compression is Kolmogorov complexity I think ^^ |
| 17:51.03 | ompaul | SmashingX: remember that if you want to access these things again then you need a suitable proc |
| 17:51.06 | ompaul | and ram |
| 17:51.18 | bezaban | ec might be much better than rsa at least we've seen some indications of it |
| 17:51.25 | SmashingX | what "things" are you talking about? |
| 17:51.35 | Hydroxide | moxie: ok. if you think it sucks, please argue your case when you report it to either Debian or OpenSSH. I think Debian ought to be hesitant to deviate from upstream defaults in ways that might weaken crypto if Debian guesses wrong, given the OpenSSL fiasco in the past :) |
| 17:51.44 | moxie | ec has the vulnerabilies built in |
| 17:51.46 | bezaban | had a security agency contact us and ask extensively about or use of EC |
| 17:51.46 | moxie | and hidden with math |
| 17:51.49 | Hydroxide | moxie: if you're right, OpenSSH should be where the change is made |
| 17:51.57 | bezaban | our* |
| 17:52.05 | Hydroxide | moxie: that's a strong but vague claim |
| 17:52.16 | ido2 | what about kgb archiver? |
| 17:52.17 | moxie | its okay,i dont need to convince you |
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| 17:52.49 | Hydroxide | moxie: I'd be interested to hear more, though we should go to #debian-offtopic instead of #debian at this point. you should still give more evidence than that to whoever you to need to convince :) |
| 17:52.53 | nvz | basic6: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706481 currently nothing holding it back that I can see other than a willing maintainer |
| 17:53.16 | moxie | Hydroxide, the info has been out there since forever |
| 17:53.26 | moxie | this is the same as the NSA info being out there since the secret rooms at at&t |
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| 17:54.13 | Hydroxide | moxie: in that case, providing links to sources of evidence you deem credible would suffice. reusing good arguments+data is always good. but, again, please, #debian-offtopic if you want to continue |
| 17:54.33 | nvz | basic6: for the record a list of currently pending requests are available at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested and the bug I linked you to shows the basic proceedure for filing a bug to request a package |
| 17:54.50 | totimkopf | hi, apt-cache add file(s), can those files be *.deb, if so, I've tried that and it outputs E: unimplemented (sorry to repeat myself, guys) |
| 17:55.11 | bezaban | I'm curious about that too, as I don't think of EC inherently worse than RSA |
| 17:55.35 | moxie | people used to think RSA was unbreakable |
| 17:55.50 | moxie | now its rubble |
| 17:56.23 | nvz | totimkopf: there is no apt-cache add feature |
| 17:56.27 | Hydroxide | I've joined #debian-offtopic and would be happy to continue there. but this is an extended off-topic chat in a room focused on Debian support, so do not continue here. I'll do a brief silence if people continue this here. |
| 17:56.45 | Hydroxide | (this channel has a specific focus by policy, and a place to continue off-topic chats) |
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| 17:57.49 | bezaban | yep, joined there too :) |
| 17:57.50 | totimkopf | nvz: strange, it's coming out in my man page! |
| 17:58.19 | nvz | totimkopf: its not in the apt-cache manpage.. I just read it.. what distro are you using? |
| 17:58.27 | totimkopf | debian squeeze |
| 17:58.49 | nvz | the only apt tool I know of that had an "add" was apt-cdrom |
| 17:59.09 | Hydroxide | apt-key also has an add feature |
| 17:59.12 | Hydroxide | but no, not apt-cache |
| 17:59.40 | totimkopf | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man8/apt-cache.8.html |
| 18:00.01 | Hydroxide | if you're trying to add a gpg key to the set of keys trusted by apt, you want apt-key add. (please ensure you have a reason to trust the key more than a random website saying so!) |
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| 18:00.54 | DoctorWedgeworth | mumpitzel, just out of curiousity how long does it normally take between running reportbug (and receiving the email) and it showing up on bugs.debian? |
| 18:01.21 | nvz | totimkopf: that manpage is 10 years old |
| 18:01.45 | totimkopf | nvz: that explains a lot :) debian squeeze is also quite old |
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| 18:01.57 | nvz | totimkopf: yeah.. well not THAT old.. |
| 18:02.03 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: debian squeeze is 3 years old, not 10 |
| 18:02.19 | totimkopf | Hydroxide: yet apt-cache add is showing in my manpage :) |
| 18:02.22 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: actually, 2.5, ish |
| 18:02.42 | nvz | totimkopf: what is the date at the bottom of that manpage? |
| 18:03.11 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: agreed, the command was still listed in the squeeze man page, I just confirmed that. the man page was out of date, though. |
| 18:03.19 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: wheezy has a fixed man page. it no longer lists apt-cache add. |
| 18:03.20 | totimkopf | wow, 2004 |
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| 18:03.44 | nvz | it was for debugging purposes only anyhow.. and was for adding cache files manually not for adding packages to the cache |
| 18:04.01 | nvz | totimkopf: that being sorted, what is it you hope to achieve here? |
| 18:04.18 | Hydroxide | nvz: I think he had a specific question at the start, though unclearly phrased |
| 18:04.25 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: what are you trying to achieve on your system? |
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| 18:04.46 | dangersalad | hey can anyone tell me why editing /etc/security/limits.conf will not let me cghange the limits for open files? I have made use that session required pam_limits.so is in /etc/pam.d/common-session{,-noninteractive} |
| 18:05.04 | totimkopf | oh, I'm just systematically trying to learn every aspect of debian's package management system |
| 18:05.26 | nvz | totimkopf: hah, well you should probably upgrade to the latest version of debian before you start a task like that.. |
| 18:05.36 | totimkopf | :D |
| 18:06.18 | petn-randall | Argh, parted is so annoying, how do I tell it just to make a partition end at the end of the disk? |
| 18:06.52 | dangersalad | after I make sure the settings are right (at least I think they are) and log out and back in (over ssh) ulimit -n still gives me the default of 1024 and i cannot change it over 4096 |
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| 18:07.03 | lionrouge | hi ) |
| 18:07.12 | lionrouge | i have debian wheezy |
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| 18:07.21 | nvz | totimkopf: besides squeeze is going to be reaching EOL soon and you probably should be planning your upgrade and sorting any grievances with that before you get to systematically learning the whole system only to have obsolete knowledge |
| 18:07.24 | dangersalad | I am on wheexy |
| 18:07.33 | lionrouge | and i can't find any package with kernel 2.6 sources or binary |
| 18:07.38 | totimkopf | nvz: you're right |
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| 18:08.09 | totimkopf | I will upgrade now :) |
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| 18:08.48 | nvz | totimkopf: personally I had some grievances to sort out.. I'm a stubborn old sawfish user and through personal life stress I gotten used to using gnome as well.. and gnome3 makes me cringe.. I upgraded to wheezy but had to use unofficial mate repos and a hand rolled sawfish 1.8.1 to be happy for now :-P |
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| 18:12.20 | lionrouge | tell me please if i can install kernel 2.6 from repo on debian 7.0 |
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| 18:13.41 | musca | lionrouge: Do you want to install oldstable with kernel 2.6.32? |
| 18:13.53 | jordanm | lionrouge: possible but not supported. why would you want to? |
| 18:14.29 | lionrouge | i need to install some drivers for Advantech boards |
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| 18:14.58 | jordanm | and they have a hard-coded check for 2.6? |
| 18:15.05 | lionrouge | nope |
| 18:15.19 | oxxxybanana | hi guyz, anybody use rtGUI with lighttpd? |
| 18:15.20 | Hydroxide | totimkopf: have a good upgrade! always worth reading the release notes to avoid problems, though the obvious path usually doesn't fail too horribly (still rough edges can exist if you don't follow the release notes) |
| 18:15.22 | nvz | lionrouge: do you have more specific information like what those boards are, or their device IDs for that matter? pciid? |
| 18:15.33 | lionrouge | their kernel modules are just only compatible with 2.6. And compiling them causes errors under newer kernel |
| 18:15.39 | lionrouge | PCI-1753 e.g. |
| 18:15.49 | nvz | oxxxybanana: you probably do.. |
| 18:16.00 | fiogo | regarding creating a debian package, does anyone know whether the debian/copyright file should include license information for sub-modules of sub-modules, or is it sufficient to include just the info for sub-modules? |
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| 18:16.17 | oxxxybanana | nvc: i cant :( |
| 18:16.26 | nvz | oxxxybanana: why is that? |
| 18:17.01 | dangersalad | it does not seem to be ssh specific either, after ssh if I `su - $USER` the limits are still not applied |
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| 18:17.27 | oxxxybanana | nvz, in google is guides only to rtgui with apache |
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| 18:20.02 | GiGaHuRtZ | Anyone familiar with the debianwrt project? I cannot find an IRC channel for it. But I am highlky interested in it. |
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| 18:20.29 | GiGaHuRtZ | But would like to talk to someone live about it |
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| 18:21.00 | james41382 | What is a good wifi channel scanner, preferrably graphical, that I can use to setup my home wifi network? |
| 18:21.03 | ImaLamer | oxxxybanana: can you link me one of those guides? |
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| 18:21.47 | lionrouge | jordanm, how is it possible? Is there any repo with 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:21.55 | nvz | oxxxybanana: you will need to use php-fpm in order to make this work.. other than that seems fairly straightforward |
| 18:22.31 | ImaLamer | james41382: iwlist at the command line would give you all you'd need to know (shows found networks in range) |
| 18:23.15 | nvz | oxxxybanana: you probably just need to quit using this kinda crap. I have always used transmission.. it runs everywhere.. windows, linux, even on my netgear router, has web frontends.. all that |
| 18:23.27 | james41382 | ImaLamer: I live in a crowded urban area in an apartment complex and there are at least 50 network within range. |
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| 18:23.55 | james41382 | ImaLamer: I want something that'll show me who is on which channel so I can try to setup my home network with the least interference. |
| 18:24.09 | nvz | oxxxybanana: seems severely over complicated to me.. and unless you know something I don't it seems totally unnecessary |
| 18:24.53 | jordanm | lionrouge: you can install it from oldstable (squeeze) |
| 18:25.02 | Artemis3 | james41382, i would use channel 14 but that would be evil if you don't live in Japan :) |
| 18:25.05 | lionrouge | jordanm, thanks |
| 18:25.25 | james41382 | Artemis3: I don't understand. Can you explain? |
| 18:26.09 | Artemis3 | james41382, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels |
| 18:26.28 | oxxxybanana | nvz, i think so, i was tryed to use transsmission's web ui |
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| 18:27.46 | nvz | oxxxybanana: explain to me breifly what your setup is like, what devices you're trying to get to work with bittorrent |
| 18:28.28 | nvz | cause I just setup a system with a netgear router, wd mybook live, and various iphones, windows machines, linux machines..etc.. and it all uses transmission and it was dead simple |
| 18:28.32 | oxxxybanana | nvz, i have netbook, transmission |
| 18:29.35 | oxxxybanana | i enable web ui in perferences, insert my port |
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| 18:30.40 | nvz | oxxxybanana: so you want to run a bittorent client on your netbook and control it remotely? |
| 18:30.46 | oxxxybanana | wow |
| 18:30.50 | oxxxybanana | its work guy) |
| 18:30.51 | oxxxybanana | lol) |
| 18:31.00 | nvz | yeah.. transmission is just that simple.. heh |
| 18:31.06 | nvz | no complicated setup |
| 18:31.18 | oxxxybanana | in my arch on desktop its was failure, but on debian-based distro all ok |
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| 18:31.28 | oxxxybanana | so, sorry guyz :) |
| 18:31.34 | oxxxybanana | and thx |
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| 18:32.10 | nvz | they even have tomato firmwares with transmission already on it.. idk why people fool with anything else. its a breeze to setup on any platform |
| 18:32.59 | james41382 | Artemis3: from this diagram it appears as though 14 is a good way to go. |
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| 18:34.13 | oxxxybanana | what is name of transmission daemon? |
| 18:34.15 | oxxxybanana | KO? |
| 18:34.23 | nvz | james41382: since I was just talking about tomato firmware.. as its what I have on all my routers.. it has a "site survey" feature that scans from the router and tells you what APs are in range and what chanel and strength they use |
| 18:34.49 | Artemis3 | james41382, but all your devices need to be set as for Japan as location (or module parameter) |
| 18:34.56 | nvz | oxxxybanana: its in the transmission-daemon package |
| 18:35.11 | nvz | oxxxybanana: if you need to run it standalone its a separate package |
| 18:36.08 | GiGaHuRtZ | So no one knows about DebianWRT? |
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| 18:36.58 | mumpitzel | GiGaHuRtZ: it's not debian |
| 18:37.54 | nvz | GiGaHuRtZ: its also in early development |
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| 18:38.23 | nvz | with rather idealistic and lofty goals |
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| 18:38.48 | nvz | considering the constraints of most devices which are already well supported by more polished firmwares |
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| 18:39.07 | james41382 | nvz: I have been learning about wireless network over summer break and I just setup the ddwrt firmware on my e3000. |
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| 18:39.54 | oxxxybanana | nvz: thx |
| 18:39.59 | nvz | james41382: I've toyed with ddwrt as my WNR3500L required that as a first step moving from stock firmware.. they were the only ones that had something that'd flash onto it from stock.. but then I flashed tomato-usb.. I find it to be a much better firmware |
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| 18:40.48 | nvz | james41382: the main difference is that ddwrt behaves too much like stock firmwares, lots of pop up windows and complex navigation in the web interface with static info.. tomato's interface is dynamic.. realtime data, simplified navigation |
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| 18:42.08 | nvz | in any case if we're gonna continue to talk about routers we should do it in #debian-offtopic and stick to debian issues here |
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| 18:42.34 | borosky | hello ladies and gents |
| 18:42.47 | nvz | dpkg, gender? |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 18:43.04 | DammitJim | oh my |
| 18:43.07 | nvz | well what about pregnant bots? |
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| 18:43.38 | james41382 | nvz: i'll keep it in mind. thanks. |
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| 18:45.27 | borosky | i have a question i compiled SDL2.0 on my wheezy and now i cant figure how to add the lib directory to somewhere where the steam application will see it |
| 18:45.42 | borosky | already tried a few tutorials with around ld.so.conf and *.d but no luck |
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| 18:46.08 | DammitJim | Does Wheezy support Intel's Rapid Storage Technology? |
| 18:46.17 | borosky | unfortunately i have to admint i am fairly noob about linux so its always a struggle, but i have been hosting dedicate servers since 2008 ;) |
| 18:46.24 | ido2 | borosky: put everything in $PATH :) |
| 18:47.16 | borosky | ido2: where do i define $PATH? |
| 18:47.29 | borosky | firs article from wikipedia is not providing direct answer or i cant find it yet |
| 18:47.38 | ido2 | DmmitJim: http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-020663.htm |
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| 18:49.07 | ido2 | borosky: export PATH= |
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| 18:49.18 | ido2 | be sure to keep your current $PATH paths |
| 18:49.23 | ido2 | echo $PATH |
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| 18:49.44 | ido2 | and then add the location of the lib directory for steam to it? |
| 18:50.00 | borosky | the lib itself is SDL 2.0 |
| 18:50.16 | borosky | that i ve been struggling now for 2 weeks |
| 18:50.21 | nvz | borosky: idk if it were me I'd run the whole thing inside a jessy chroot before I'd go compiling SDL |
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| 18:50.46 | nvz | in fact I think I may try that now just for the hell of it.. heh |
| 18:50.58 | dangersalad | hey can anyone tell me why editing /etc/security/limits.conf will not let me cghange the limits for open files? I have made sure that session required pam_limits.so is in /etc/pam.d/common-session{,-noninteractive} |
| 18:51.14 | ido2 | borsoky: does this show anything useful? http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/846940248468745632/ |
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| 18:51.41 | borosky | nvz: it seems to have compiled fine (had few trial and error issues) and now the files are phisically on the server; now i just need to find a way for the steam server application to stop printing that it cant find one of the .so files |
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| 18:52.16 | Stevie-O | hey, I'm building a patched version of a package (snort) and wanted to append a suffix to the package version |
| 18:52.22 | borosky | ido2: im getting this error: Failed to open dedicated.so (libSDL2-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
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| 18:52.34 | borosky | the file is already in /usr/local/lib |
| 18:52.39 | nvz | borosky: well my issue with your issue (heh) is that I looked into the progress of steam on linux and debian after you asked.. and I don't see SDL even being a requirement.. so that means its a requirement if anything of apps that run under steam.. either that or they packaged it wrong cause SDL isnt one of the dependancies |
| 18:52.41 | russw | I've got a system that seems like it has been hacked (several IPs reporting hack attempts originating from my IP). My auth.log only seems to have tracked my very initial root logins. I do see an unexpected sudo attempt from a user in /var/mail/root. That user's bash history is conspicuously empty. Any other suggestions where to look? |
| 18:52.44 | ido2 | with this? LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH strace ./steam 2>&1 |grep so |
| 18:53.09 | nvz | borosky: so in order to avoid this and other future problems it just seems easier to me, to install steam in a jessie or sid chroot where I can easily get new versions of ANYTHING I may need |
| 18:53.21 | Stevie-O | what do I need to add to dpkg-buildpackage to append a suffix to the version #? |
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| 18:55.21 | nvz | russw: rkhunder, debsums two packages that may be useful to you |
| 18:55.23 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sorry I had to reboot router to change firmware, so no one hyas experience with DebianWRT? |
| 18:55.41 | russw | thx nvz, I'll look into those |
| 18:55.59 | nvz | russw: long story short though.. if you've been rooted you basically can't trust anything.. cause they could've in theory modified all your programs to the point they're all lying to you |
| 18:56.26 | nvz | russw: only solutions in these cases are to boot from known clean media, investigate, and restore last known good backup |
| 18:56.44 | russw | nvz: yep - I'm definitely purging and re-installing, even if I don't think I've been rooted |
| 18:57.36 | russw | I can find no evidence of that... just outsie IPs claiming my IP being the source of some dictionary attacks (which does not require root) |
| 18:58.04 | russw | nvz: was `rkhunder` a typo? |
| 18:58.36 | nvz | russw: yeah if thats what I typed.. heh.. its rkhunter |
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| 18:58.52 | borosky | nvz: my problem seems to relate to this http://steamcommunity.com/app/223530/discussions/0/810925579952066849/?l=polish (im trying to launch l4d2 dedicated server) |
| 18:59.12 | russw | nvz: much better,... thx. got both and they look great. |
| 18:59.20 | onethfour | how do I find a file named jquery*.js recursively in a specific path |
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| 18:59.53 | borosky | and i have to run quite a customized linux falvor due to different requirements of different applications that im hosting |
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| 19:00.44 | russw | I may as well ask this, too... what about any tips on hardening my new installation? I've found all kinds of manual recommendations, and bastille looked very promising until I found out it only supports up to debian 5... any easy wins worth pointing out? |
| 19:00.58 | DammitJim | ido2, does one need software raid to be able to use rapid storage technology? |
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| 19:01.46 | nvz | borosky: idk.. I see no issue on that link, just someone bitching |
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| 19:08.30 | bezaban | russw: lock down ssh a little perhaps. Disable uneeded/unwanted services, set up iptables rules |
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| 19:08.59 | abrotman | !harden |
| 19:09.00 | dpkg | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>. |
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| 19:09.05 | russw | bezaban: yep - plannign all those... thanks. |
| 19:09.31 | russw | !tracker of doom |
| 19:09.31 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 19:10.17 | russw | !securing debian |
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| 19:10.21 | nvz | russw: you can /msg dpkg and also access the factoids online http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php |
| 19:10.26 | dpkg | The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>. |
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| 19:10.31 | abrotman | russw: please msg the bot |
| 19:10.38 | russw | ok - sorry |
| 19:10.42 | nvz | russw: the former stops you from spamming this channel, the latter saves the bots resources as well |
| 19:11.01 | russw | ok - I'll make sure to do it right. sorry about that. |
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| 19:11.51 | nvz | russw: dpkg is running typically on old hardware and crashes at times so using the website would cause it less stress ;) |
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| 19:12.15 | russw | nvz: perusing the link you gave me now. thanks. |
| 19:12.35 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys, I recently uninstalled windows off of my second partition and installed ubuntu their. Debian(my main os) which controls the bootloader does not see ubuntu. How do i get my grub 2 bootloader to stop giving me the windows option and to give me the ubuntu option. Thank you |
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| 19:13.57 | mtn | Asad3ainJalout: make sure os-prober is installed and run: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:13.59 | nvz | Asad3ainJalout: are you currently booted to one of the linux oses? |
| 19:14.06 | CheckDavid | Could anyone help me virtualize ubuntu on Debian? |
| 19:14.20 | nvz | Asad3ainJalout: preferably debian which you say is managing grub |
| 19:14.50 | mumpitzel | CheckDavid: install virtualbox and just do it. nothing to it |
| 19:14.53 | russw | I've read the Securing debian manual... what I'm mainly wondering about is any potential leads on things like bastille (seems too old) and minstall (a potential possibility). Digging into those has been useful but I don't know any others. |
| 19:15.05 | nvz | CheckDavid: you'll need to be more specific.. there are a vast number of virutalization methods |
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| 19:15.59 | Asad3ainJalout | nvz I am currently on my main debian os, i only installed the latest ubuntu to play around with it |
| 19:15.59 | russw | CheckDavid: You may also want to look at vmware player (which is free). I was a virtualbox user for years, but flipped to vmware strictly for (significantly) better performance. |
| 19:16.04 | CheckDavid | You are correct nvz, that's why i asked for suggestions. I just want to run Ubuntu here on Debian, since it apparently won't run natively on my machine. |
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| 19:16.38 | nvz | CheckDavid: then I concur with mumpitzel that virtualbox is the simplest of solutions if you have sufficient ram 1gb or more |
| 19:16.39 | CheckDavid | And I am also new to Linux, Switched yesterday from Windows to Debian. |
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| 19:17.09 | Asad3ainJalout | CheckDavid: welcome to the wonderful world of linux :) |
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| 19:17.21 | CheckDavid | How would I go about isntalling it? can I find it on synaptic? |
| 19:17.26 | nvz | CheckDavid: though having heard your story I think perhaps you should try think about what you seek in ubuntu in the first place and let us help you get comfortable with debian |
| 19:18.04 | russw | CheckDavid: Stick with Linux. But... since you'll likely want a windos vm inside linux I'd say go vmware. Windows VMs in particular perform WAY better in vmware than in virtualbox (unfortunately). |
| 19:18.04 | nvz | CheckDavid: yes its in synaptic virtualbox |
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| 19:18.27 | Asad3ainJalout | nvz: yes I am on debian right now |
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| 19:19.28 | nvz | Asad3ainJalout: you should just need to rerun grub-install then |
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| 19:19.31 | nvz | it should autodetect your changes using osprober |
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| 19:19.32 | Asad3ainJalout | nvz thank you good sir |
| 19:19.38 | CheckDavid | vlt, apparently nothign strange, since I was told to use debian, as it would have higher chance of running than Ubuntu. |
| 19:19.42 | CheckDavid | vlt, not sure why |
| 19:19.52 | vlt | CheckDavid: Sounds strange |
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| 19:20.14 | CheckDavid | nvz, I want to take a course online, that course for simplicity requires an homogeneous computing environment, and the one chosen was ubuntu. |
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| 19:21.52 | nvz | CheckDavid: ah.. well virtualbox should solve that issue for you fairly easily.. just install it, create a new vm and download an ubuntu iso and select it when you boot the new VM for the first time |
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| 19:22.27 | Asad3ainJalout | nvz: hey um it sayd i dont have the command grub-install, i attempted grub-install /dev/sda. How would i get that command |
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| 19:23.42 | mtn | Asad3ainJalout: make sure os-prober is installed and run: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 19:37.55 | mtn | Asad3ainJalout: sure, after you run the command reboot and see if it is seen |
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| 19:37.55 | mtn | Asad3ainJalout: sorry, not reading well. yes, root is required |
| 19:37.55 | Asad3ainJalout | mtn: alright from teh prompts it gave me i think it worked will check back in a a few minuts |
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| 19:38.10 | musca | nvz: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso installed on the host only provides an iso-image to be mounted by your guests |
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| 19:38.34 | musca | nvz: it doesn't install the additions into the host. |
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| 19:39.39 | CheckDavid | nvz, my machine froze while installing Virtual box =( |
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| 19:39.51 | CheckDavid | Perhaps I should try another way of doing this. |
| 19:39.56 | nvz | musca: its not required.. he's using a linux guest which also has the guest additions package in its repos.. installing ubuntu on virtualbox automatically selects that package |
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| 19:40.09 | musca | yes |
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| 19:40.38 | nvz | CheckDavid: are you sure its froze? |
| 19:41.01 | nvz | CheckDavid: does the numlock light still toggle? |
| 19:41.12 | CheckDavid | nvz, how can one ever be sure? ahh, not sure I didnt check that. |
| 19:41.26 | CheckDavid | But my mouse pointer wouldn't move |
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| 19:41.36 | nvz | CheckDavid: thats one good way to check on linux as a kernel panic will often leave that turned on or flashing |
| 19:41.38 | CheckDavid | then I went for a glass of water, came back and it still wouldn't move |
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| 19:42.17 | CheckDavid | nvz, yes, I noticed that on my long and painful journey to switch to linux, many kernel panics later, I learrned that the caps lock starts flashing |
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| 19:42.33 | nvz | CheckDavid: ok well that could be indicitive of a graphics card or other issue.. which you'll probably want to address.. we have ways and means of dealing with such issues in linux.. heh.. its called Sysrq.. probably never even realized your keyboard had such a key.. |
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| 19:43.08 | CheckDavid | nvz, which key you are talking about? =O |
| 19:43.23 | nvz | CheckDavid: if you can still toggle the numlock or switch to tty1 then the machine isn't froze.. just X is.. |
| 19:43.31 | nvz | which is usually GPU issues |
| 19:43.50 | CheckDavid | oh, It's a possibility |
| 19:43.53 | nvz | CheckDavid: most keyboards have it under where it says PrtSc.. its the SysRq key |
| 19:44.01 | CheckDavid | Still pretty bad for me, because I am not as good with computers. |
| 19:44.21 | CheckDavid | My laptop doesn't have a sysrq key apparently |
| 19:44.34 | CheckDavid | At least it doesn't say sysrq, and under my prt sc I have a backspace |
| 19:44.42 | nvz | CheckDavid: Ctrl+Alt+Sysrq+K will smack it around and likely bring you back to the login screen |
| 19:44.56 | nvz | CheckDavid: the prtsc IS the sysrq key.. its usually labelled as both |
| 19:45.07 | CheckDavid | Oh. |
| 19:45.08 | CheckDavid | LOL |
| 19:45.19 | CheckDavid | Mine only says prt sc |
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| 19:46.35 | nvz | this manuever is called a SAK its similar to a three-finger-salute but rather than rebooting it instructs the kernel to smack around whatever is using up all the resources and causing you grief |
| 19:46.57 | nvz | there are a vast number of SysRq commands but thats probably the most important |
| 19:47.07 | CheckDavid | I see. |
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| 19:47.21 | moxie | i just wiped centos because it couldnt mount ntfs when i needed it |
| 19:47.30 | moxie | im installing debian, is it going to work or should i find something else that has it out of the box |
| 19:47.33 | CheckDavid | Well nvz, I have an alternative to using ubuntu. Would be easy apparently if I was experienced with linux. |
| 19:47.56 | CheckDavid | I must simply suck up all the variables that may appear during the course, that are not covered by it, due to the fact that I am using a different environment. |
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| 19:48.41 | nvz | CheckDavid: if you can SAK out of this lockup then you probably are gonna need to dig into why it happened in the first place and resolve that issue before you move on. You likely need graphics drivers.. |
| 19:49.14 | CheckDavid | nvz, that seems like it will be hell, but since you suggest, I will try |
| 19:49.20 | CheckDavid | I will try to install it again. |
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| 19:49.58 | nvz | well you need not really worry about that.. because if you're having GPU hangs running virtualbox is only gonna further complicate matters right now you just need to get the machine unstuck and go read the logs |
| 19:50.17 | CheckDavid | nvz, I tried running synaptic again and I got the following: |
| 19:50.24 | nvz | need to do the SAK first then once you're back in we could rundown the issue |
| 19:50.34 | CheckDavid | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 19:50.34 | CheckDavid | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 19:50.43 | nvz | yes thats the least of your problems |
| 19:50.46 | nvz | heh |
| 19:51.01 | nvz | close synaptic.. you had to kill it, its not gonna work anymore |
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| 19:51.20 | CheckDavid | Broken forever? lol |
| 19:51.22 | nvz | never did I say open synaptic and try again |
| 19:51.28 | nvz | I said SAK out of the lockup |
| 19:51.57 | CheckDavid | I tried opening again and I got the same error |
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| 19:52.13 | nvz | yes.. its broken.. forget about synaptic and virtualbox |
| 19:52.14 | CheckDavid | I am sorry, slightly confused here. |
| 19:52.17 | sanitypassing | is there any way to get libc6 v2.15 installed on wheezy? |
| 19:52.26 | nvz | you got bigger problems, your machine locked up.. you need to find out why |
| 19:52.33 | moxie | does debian non firmware installer s upport ntfs |
| 19:52.38 | CheckDavid | nvz, I was trying to reproduce the problem actually. |
| 19:52.42 | moxie | the firmware cd is at my house |
| 19:52.46 | moxie | i need to read NTFS |
| 19:52.47 | nvz | CheckDavid: no need.. thats what logs are for |
| 19:52.56 | nvz | CheckDavid: and why I told you to SAK out and not reboot |
| 19:52.59 | CheckDavid | nvz, sure, how do I got about it now? |
| 19:53.08 | CheckDavid | nvz, should I sak now? |
| 19:53.22 | nvz | CheckDavid: not if the machine is running.. you just need to open a terminal |
| 19:53.39 | moxie | ok |
| 19:53.39 | CheckDavid | nvz, I actually turned the PC off when it was frozen |
| 19:53.49 | moxie | is ntfs supported in normal debian |
| 19:53.52 | moxie | or only firmware |
| 19:53.54 | nvz | CheckDavid: well then you screwed up.. heh |
| 19:54.06 | moxie | out of the box |
| 19:54.08 | CheckDavid | nvz, sorry, I forgot to say that |
| 19:54.15 | mtn_ | moxie: http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 19:54.22 | CheckDavid | But yeah it froze I didn't knwo what to do |
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| 19:54.32 | nvz | CheckDavid: you're gonna run into the problem again surely.. it'll happen randomly.. only difference is you got rid of the info I needed to solve it right now |
| 19:54.43 | moxie | ok so debian knows of NTFS, centos didn't |
| 19:54.44 | moxie | thanks |
| 19:54.45 | CheckDavid | Well, sucks =/ |
| 19:54.47 | CheckDavid | What do I do now? |
| 19:54.58 | nvz | CheckDavid: open a terminal, root terminal |
| 19:55.03 | CheckDavid | done |
| 19:55.04 | daemon | hey all im having trouble installing debian stable |
| 19:55.05 | nvz | CheckDavid: dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:55.07 | mtn_ | moxie: centos surely does to, just need to install correct softwar, just like debian |
| 19:55.24 | daemon | when I goto expert install or even normal install I get it loading initrd.gz I think then it goes to a black screen then locks up |
| 19:55.27 | moxie | mtn_, it didnt work out of the box |
| 19:55.30 | daemon | it looks like VESA init'ing |
| 19:55.33 | moxie | so i wiped it |
| 19:55.48 | mtn_ | moxie: I suspect debian won't either, but not sure. the wiki tells you all about it. |
| 19:56.00 | moxie | pretty sure the read-only ntfs kernel driver shoudl be supported by both |
| 19:56.05 | nvz | CheckDavid: that'll pickup where synaptic left off and finish installing virtualbox and fix your package system |
| 19:56.07 | mtn_ | moxie: you often have to install software to do things. |
| 19:56.18 | moxie | the kernel comes with debian |
| 19:56.22 | moxie | last i checked |
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| 19:56.53 | nvz | CheckDavid: if you do a lspci -nn after thats done and tell me the pciid which will be in the form [1234:4567] of your graphics card I may be able to deduce the cause of the lockup |
| 19:56.57 | CheckDavid | nvz, I see, so I should expect virtual box right? if I get stuck again I guess I should go Ctrl+Alt+prt sc+K ? |
| 19:56.58 | moxie | i will know soon enough anyway....i will cross my fingers |
| 19:57.01 | onethfour | yeah |
| 19:57.47 | daemon | ah I changed vga=766 to vga=ask and selected a vga mode and now I can see it stalls at: pci 0000:00:1e.0: bridge window [mem 0x24000000-0x29ffffff pref |
| 19:57.50 | nvz | CheckDavid: yes its always best to SAK out if you have a lockup and the kernel is still responding (can still toggle numlock or get to tty1) so you can preserve all the state that caused the lockup |
| 19:57.54 | daemon | is that last thing boot says before halting |
| 19:58.12 | nvz | CheckDavid: rebooting makes it a lot harder to run down |
| 19:58.20 | CheckDavid | nvz, so it's the equivalent of giving my pc a tap on the back? |
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| 19:58.50 | nvz | CheckDavid: yeah well its more than a tap.. heh.. the SAK it more like a pimp slap.. heh |
| 19:59.09 | CheckDavid | lol |
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| 19:59.51 | nvz | CheckDavid: you can actually configure how a SAK behaves at compile time but the default is usually to kill whatever is using the most memory.. which generally does the trick |
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| 20:00.47 | nvz | CheckDavid: being that you mentioned this is a laptop and you had a lockup in X its more than likely a GPU problem.. which is why I say to get the pciid of your graphics card |
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| 20:01.34 | daemon | it seems the the device its trying to difure out is: pci bridge to [bus 02-02] crash |
| 20:01.45 | CheckDavid | nvz, i got a bunch of values in the following format : 1022:1703 |
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| 20:02.14 | nvz | CheckDavid: lspci -nn should show you text descriptions I just need the id of the graphics card |
| 20:02.39 | nvz | CheckDavid: that one is your audio card |
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| 20:03.44 | nvz | CheckDavid: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [Quadro NVS 140M] [10de:0429] (rev a1) is mine for example.. |
| 20:04.09 | moxie | debian supports ntfs out of the box |
| 20:04.18 | moxie | which is totally sane, unlike centos =] |
| 20:04.18 | mtn_ | yay debian |
| 20:04.23 | CheckDavid | nvz, 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9649] |
| 20:04.26 | CheckDavid | Is this correct? |
| 20:04.38 | moxie | yeah stupid centos even says 'cannot mount filesystem type 'ntfs'' |
| 20:04.38 | nvz | ugh.. its "correct" and it also splains the problem.. heh |
| 20:04.41 | moxie | so it knew what it was |
| 20:04.43 | moxie | lol |
| 20:04.53 | nvz | CheckDavid: I'm willing to bet your laptop has a sticker that says AMD Vision on it.. heh |
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| 20:05.13 | CheckDavid | nvz, please do, you will lose. |
| 20:05.28 | CheckDavid | You do bets in bitcoin? |
| 20:05.28 | CheckDavid | xD |
| 20:05.37 | moxie | buttcoin |
| 20:05.45 | CheckDavid | No, in all seriousness, that could have been the case, but I think it may have been lost. |
| 20:05.45 | daemon | anyone able to lend a hand? |
| 20:05.52 | Th0masR0ss | Mine does |
| 20:06.01 | CheckDavid | nvz, I have a missing sticker |
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| 20:06.25 | nvz | CheckDavid: na I guess thats a Radeon HD 6480G.. thought it was one of those CPU based GPUs |
| 20:06.53 | nvz | CheckDavid: I think you're going to need a backported kernel to avoid issues with that card.. |
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| 20:07.28 | nvz | CheckDavid: trying to reproduce the error intentionally would be difficuly.. but it'll surely happen again at some random inconvenient time if not addressed now |
| 20:08.04 | moxie | stupid debian running mlocate while i dd a drive |
| 20:08.12 | moxie | its hung_tasking |
| 20:08.15 | nvz | CheckDavid: so you should have virtualbox installed now then and synaptic should open again without error yes? |
| 20:08.36 | moxie | how did cron.daily just so happen to start running mlocate right after install |
| 20:08.50 | moxie | maybe it detected no db |
| 20:09.04 | Th0masR0ss | Why does Xfce depend on Orage? |
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| 20:09.44 | moxie | thats their calendar? |
| 20:09.49 | onethfour | how do i replace all "b/" with "b/src/" in file temp.diff and output to temp2.diff ? |
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| 20:10.23 | moxie | cat temp.diff | sed s;b/;b/src/;g > temp2.diff |
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| 20:11.10 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: easy way to answer that question is to apt-get remove orange.. and if "xfce4" is the only thing it wants to remove then it doesn't |
| 20:11.39 | nvz | Th0masR0ss: probably just included it in the metapackage because of features of the filemanager or such |
| 20:11.42 | onethfour | what about " b/" with " b/src/" |
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| 20:11.47 | onethfour | can i put a space in there? |
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| 20:13.29 | nvz | onethfour: absolutely |
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| 20:14.52 | nvz | onethfour: s/foo/bar/g is a global search and replace, it replaces all instances of foo with bar.. the /'s can be any delimiter you choose as long as its not part of the patterns foo or bar i.e. s#foo#bar#g or s;foo;bar;g |
| 20:15.17 | nvz | hence why he chose ; rather than the normal / because the pattern contained that character |
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| 20:15.29 | CheckDavid | yes that is correct nvz but unfortunately I have to go now. May I be contact you at a later time? |
| 20:15.36 | CheckDavid | *be able |
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| 20:15.52 | nvz | CheckDavid: if I'm around.. just come in and ask about installing a backported kernel for you graphics card |
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| 20:16.10 | nvz | CheckDavid: the hardware compatibility list suggests a newer one than is in wheezy for your card |
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| 20:16.44 | CheckDavid | Radeon HD 6480G - installing a backported kernel for you graphics card <-- Seem to be the key phrases that I have to memorize =) |
| 20:16.50 | nvz | pretty much anyone here can help you with that.. |
| 20:17.26 | CheckDavid | I express my gratitude nvz. |
| 20:17.39 | nvz | I'm not certain thats what caused your lockup but I've got a good reason to believe so |
| 20:18.12 | CheckDavid | My intuition says that you are correct. |
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| 20:19.49 | onethfour | nvz, ... sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unterminated `s' command |
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| 20:20.38 | nvz | onethfour: gonna need to see the command to know what eactly you did wrong.. apparently you missed a delimiter |
| 20:21.09 | nvz | probably just adding the unescaped space |
| 20:21.11 | nvz | heh |
| 20:21.29 | nvz | a space separates tokens in bash so you have to escape it with \ |
| 20:21.43 | nvz | or quote in some manner |
| 20:22.03 | nvz | s#\ foo#bar#g for example |
| 20:22.13 | russw | I ran debsums and (interestingly) have 2 failures... where can I get the original files so I can diff them? |
| 20:22.40 | nvz | russw: thats what debsums does.. unless you're interested in seeing the specific differences |
| 20:22.53 | onethfour | nvz, cat temp.diff | sed s;b/;b/src/;g > temp2.diff |
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| 20:23.00 | onethfour | i actually didnt mean to run it |
| 20:23.03 | russw | yep - I want to see what the diff is myself. |
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| 20:23.24 | onethfour | i think i meant to run: cat temp.diff | sed s;\ b/;\ b/src/;g > temp2.diff |
| 20:23.27 | russw | rkhunter also had some hits, but I'm surious about false positives |
| 20:23.30 | onethfour | is that correct? |
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| 20:23.47 | russw | s/surious/curious/ |
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| 20:24.52 | nvz | russw: well first you probably wanna clean your cache with apt-get clean, then search what package the files belong to with dpkg -S /path/to/file then download those packages again with apt-get --download-only foopackage then you can open them manually from /var/cache/apt/archives/ with ar and extract the files.. or you could just resintall said packages after moving the offending files out of the way so they do not get overwritten |
| 20:25.12 | nvz | russw: i never used debsums so for all I know it may have a more straighforward way of doing this |
| 20:25.30 | nvz | onethfour: yeah that looks like it'd work |
| 20:25.53 | daemon | ah I changed vga=766 to vga=ask and selected a vga mode and now I can see it stalls at: pci 0000:00:1e.0: bridge window [mem 0x24000000-0x29ffffff pref then it totally locks up, the device or bus its on is: pci bridge to [bus 02-02] crash anyone able to offer any help |
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| 20:26.30 | nvz | daemon: what kinda graphics card is this? |
| 20:26.45 | daemon | nvz, err Nvidia gforce Go2 |
| 20:26.54 | daemon | or gforce2 go |
| 20:27.12 | daemon | but it does look like its actually the graphics card that is tripping it up |
| 20:27.14 | daemon | in honesty |
| 20:27.24 | daemon | setting vga mode to 80x60(vga) works perfectly up till: |
| 20:27.30 | daemon | pci 0000:00:1e.0: bridge window [mem 0x24000000-0x29ffffff pref |
| 20:27.36 | daemon | #then it just totally locks up |
| 20:27.36 | nvz | daemon: I'd go blanket on it and use all the disabling graphics options I could think of nofb vga=normal..etc can't think of em all off the top of my head |
| 20:27.53 | daemon | nvz, they go jsut before initrd=... etc right |
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| 20:28.19 | daemon | is there a way to ramp up the verbosity too |
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| 20:28.24 | nvz | daemon: well could be something with the APIC or memory address ranges.. machines have been shipped with buggy bios and crap before.. |
| 20:28.28 | russw | thx nvz ... I'll dig |
| 20:28.30 | Asad3ainJalout | mtn: hey thanks for the help man it worked |
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| 20:29.02 | nvz | daemon: you could go with noapic and various mem options as well.. lets see what random gooling says |
| 20:29.17 | daemon | nvz, tried it there is no reported problems with this lapotop |
| 20:29.21 | daemon | as far as I can see |
| 20:29.23 | mtn_ | asakura: very nice |
| 20:29.36 | mtn_ | asakura: sorry, meant for someone else |
| 20:29.37 | daemon | lets try noapic see if that helps |
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| 20:31.55 | daemon | nothing yet -_- |
| 20:33.50 | daemon | nvz, is there a way I can force it not to enumerate devices on that bus |
| 20:34.41 | daemon | whats worse: |
| 20:34.41 | daemon | http://www.jimsdojo.com/reports/dell2650.html |
| 20:34.48 | daemon | numerous reports that this laptop works flawlessly |
| 20:34.51 | daemon | hmm |
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| 20:35.53 | nvz | wonder if disabling kms would help |
| 20:36.26 | daemon | how would I do that |
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| 20:37.22 | nvz | idk nokms I think.. been awhile since I had to do this kinda crap |
| 20:37.56 | daemon | nomodeset looks a good bet |
| 20:38.00 | daemon | nope let me try nokms |
| 20:38.17 | daemon | nvz, is there a way to tell it not to enumerate that pci bus |
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| 20:38.54 | daemon | nokms still crashing -_- |
| 20:39.02 | nvz | idk.. haven't hacked kernel command lines in ages.. I need to go lookup the recent docs.. we're talking stable debian 7 3.2.0 kernel on i386/amd64 right? |
| 20:39.30 | daemon | nvz, latest stable from ther site i386 let me check the version |
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| 20:39.47 | daemon | debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 20:39.47 | musca | !kms |
| 20:39.48 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:39.59 | musca | 'nomodeset' |
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| 20:40.07 | daemon | I already tried nomodeset it still crashed |
| 20:40.11 | daemon | well locked up |
| 20:40.16 | daemon | but it really does not look like a graphic problem |
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| 20:40.28 | daemon | the bus its enumerating is not where the video us |
| 20:40.29 | daemon | is* |
| 20:40.55 | daemon | infact let me boot into freebsd ill find out what is on that bus |
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| 20:41.35 | nvz | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 20:41.59 | nvz | yeah.. helps to see what the memory map, pci layout and such is from a working machine |
| 20:42.09 | nvz | though idk much about freebsd's kernel |
| 20:42.47 | daemon | got it |
| 20:42.56 | daemon | that bus is '3com corperation' internal nic |
| 20:42.58 | daemon | and |
| 20:43.09 | daemon | )2 micro oz601 cardbus .... |
| 20:43.12 | daemon | controller |
| 20:43.32 | nvz | yeah when I googled a lot of hits came up about network cards |
| 20:43.47 | daemon | it is a |
| 20:43.57 | daemon | 3c905C-TX/TX-M Tornado |
| 20:44.09 | nvz | sounds like could be a bios memory map issue or something |
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| 20:44.21 | daemon | I just want to note that Debian 'small cd' boots |
| 20:44.28 | nvz | and there are ways and means of telling linux to ignore that crap.. heh.. just so many options to go through |
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| 20:46.12 | daemon | I bet I cant disable any of it in bios either |
| 20:46.20 | daemon | would a different linux help |
| 20:46.25 | nvz | na.. there are options like iommu=off and such |
| 20:46.44 | daemon | the other question is ofc why did older linuxs apparently work (According to google) |
| 20:46.53 | daemon | regression? |
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| 20:49.03 | trae32566-tmp | hey...got a question |
| 20:49.07 | onethfour | no |
| 20:49.10 | onethfour | just kidding, go ahead |
| 20:49.30 | trae32566-tmp | I was playing around with sshfs, and I got an interesting result when mounting via /etc/fstab (as root) |
| 20:50.01 | trae32566-tmp | http://pastebin.com/PWQsdFKA |
| 20:50.05 | trae32566-tmp | ^^ result |
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| 20:51.01 | trae32566-tmp | note the ??????? as a result, and yet I have full read/write access to the directory? |
| 20:51.48 | ompaul | trae32566-tmp: why does it say fedora in there? |
| 20:52.10 | trae32566-tmp | >.> because this was the result from a fedora box, but it happened on debian as well |
| 20:52.38 | trae32566-tmp | I'm going to assume it's a problem with sshfs |
| 20:53.08 | nvz | daemon: idk my next thoughts since we tried everything else would be the iommu= and pci= options |
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| 20:53.22 | daemon | nvz, tried disable iommu already |
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| 20:53.39 | nvz | daemon: there are a crapload of pci options |
| 20:54.02 | daemon | jsut going to try tell it to not proe the pci bus at all |
| 20:54.05 | daemon | this will be humerous |
| 20:54.29 | nvz | heh.. yeah or don't use the acpi.. pci=noacpi or such.. idk.. hard to say whats going on |
| 20:54.51 | nvz | daemon: have you tried one of the installers with a backported kernel? |
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| 20:55.03 | daemon | nvz, we are booted |
| 20:55.08 | daemon | pci=off |
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| 20:55.11 | nvz | haha |
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| 20:55.14 | nvz | imagine that |
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| 20:55.21 | daemon | now lets try figure out why |
| 20:55.28 | daemon | ill keep trying different options to round it down |
| 20:55.33 | daemon | not probing the pci bus at all is retarded |
| 20:55.39 | nvz | heh.. I'd like to figure out what's for dinner or when bedtime is.. |
| 20:55.53 | nvz | I mean its only 5pm.. but w/e |
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| 20:56.17 | daemon | btw in freebsd I press 'pause' |
| 20:56.22 | daemon | and I can scroll up the screen with the arrow keys |
| 20:56.25 | daemon | how do I do that in linux |
| 20:56.52 | nvz | goto tty2 and type dmesg |
| 20:56.53 | nvz | heh |
| 20:56.57 | daemon | hey I spotted something interesting though |
| 20:57.03 | daemon | apparently it cannot open the rtc / real time clock |
| 20:57.05 | daemon | rtc0 |
| 20:57.07 | nvz | pipe it through more or whatever |
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| 20:57.19 | nvz | yeah thats probably just cause it didnt probe the bus |
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| 20:57.50 | nvz | there is probably a lesser option that'll boot like pci=noacpi |
| 20:58.06 | daemon | yeah thats what im gonna try |
| 20:58.07 | nvz | which may help narrow it down |
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| 20:58.25 | daemon | there are alot of options here to hand off management to the bios |
| 20:58.34 | daemon | or not interefere with where the bios has put things |
| 20:58.36 | daemon | I might try that too |
| 20:58.46 | zykotic10 | daemon: to scroll up in console, use shift+PGUP/PGDOWN (fyi it's a small buffer by default) |
| 20:59.00 | nvz | this is why I said go blanket and just disable everything you could think of.. heh |
| 20:59.03 | daemon | cool |
| 20:59.06 | nvz | then you dial it back |
| 20:59.11 | daemon | I did not think of disabling probing pci :P |
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| 20:59.46 | daemon | ok trying noapic |
| 20:59.52 | daemon | pci=noapic |
| 20:59.55 | daemon | and we are crashed again |
| 20:59.56 | daemon | lol |
| 21:00.00 | nvz | yeah buggy bios could cause any number of issues.. pci=noacpi |
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| 21:00.07 | daemon | of no acpi |
| 21:00.14 | nvz | acpi is a bios thing, apic isnt |
| 21:00.36 | nvz | Advanced Configureation and Power Interface / Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller |
| 21:00.44 | daemon | ok trying with noacpi |
| 21:00.53 | daemon | hey where running |
| 21:01.05 | nvz | then you got a faulty acpi map in the bios |
| 21:01.14 | nvz | other kernels that boot ignore it |
| 21:01.21 | daemon | ah |
| 21:01.33 | nvz | upgrading the bios could likely solve it permanently |
| 21:01.41 | daemon | its on its highest version |
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| 21:03.14 | nvz | well thats not good cause I'm sure having to work around that increases power consumption of the machine |
| 21:03.21 | daemon | not an issue for this one |
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| 21:03.30 | daemon | its a thin client that sits downstairs in the bar |
| 21:03.50 | daemon | though on freebsd powerd and all that worked |
| 21:03.53 | daemon | if that is the same thing |
| 21:04.09 | nvz | I was actually just reading something though recently that there were just major overhauls in power management due to various regressions made recently.. but idk if any of that effected debian's kernel or not |
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| 21:04.16 | nvz | I was mostly just skimmin through it.. heh |
| 21:04.45 | nvz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/244277/new_kernel_patch_slashes_linuxs_power_appetite.html |
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| 21:05.31 | nvz | whaddaya know.. searching the ol browser histroy is useful sometimes.. heh |
| 21:05.56 | tyteen4a03 | dumb question of the day: How do I add my own public keys to sshd |
| 21:06.18 | nvz | um what? |
| 21:06.20 | petn-randall | tyteen4a03: There are no dumb questions, just one you can google easier than others ;) |
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| 21:06.34 | petn-randall | tyteen4a03: ssh *server* keys, or client keys? |
| 21:06.38 | nvz | tyteen4a03: you wanna add keys to a server to login? |
| 21:06.59 | nvz | yeah.. thats what confused me.. saying sshd makes one thing you mean server keys not client keys |
| 21:07.01 | tyteen4a03 | petn-randall, er, server |
| 21:07.16 | streulma | tyteen4a03: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/188/copy-your-ssh-public-key-to-a-server-from-a-machine-that-doesnt-have-ssh-copy-id |
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| 21:07.39 | nvz | yet public keys suggests client keys |
| 21:07.48 | nvz | seemed like an ambiguous question |
| 21:07.48 | petn-randall | tyteen4a03: What nvz said, so you want to use your local ssh key to login on to a remote server without password? |
| 21:07.56 | tyteen4a03 | petn-randall, yes |
| 21:08.25 | petn-randall | tyteen4a03: Check out ssh-copy-id, if that fails check out streulma's link. |
| 21:08.51 | nvz | always fun when people don't know what they're talkin about and confuse ya. heh.. for future reference don't call ssh sshd unless you know you mean sshd |
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| 21:09.12 | tyteen4a03 | nvz, TIL |
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| 21:10.08 | nvz | I wonder if they make an irssi plugin that automatically expands acronyms.. heh |
| 21:10.50 | nvz | proabably wouldnt work anyhow.. cause they've all been used in multiple contexts |
| 21:10.51 | tyteen4a03 | I know that sshd is different from ssh, but keys you put into the server's allow lists sounds like server keys to me at first glance |
| 21:11.05 | jordanm | nvz: konversation can do it without plugins (kind of) |
| 21:11.13 | tyteen4a03 | uh, I got to the authorized_key bit already, but when I log in the server refused my key |
| 21:11.15 | jordanm | it can do regex replaces on incomming chat data |
| 21:11.21 | xand | tyteen4a03: you put the keys in that file. that's all. |
| 21:11.23 | nvz | tyteen4a03: well the problem with that is, there ARE server keys that it uses to sign with.. which is totally different |
| 21:11.32 | daemon | nvz, just trying random things like usepirqmask disablererouting etc |
| 21:11.34 | xand | tyteen4a03: you put the .pub one in there? |
| 21:11.38 | daemon | see if I can get it even more confined |
| 21:11.40 | tyteen4a03 | xand, yes |
| 21:11.42 | petn-randall | tyteen4a03: Nope, server has one key, you just tell that server to allow logging in as user X with key Y. There's no limit to those. |
| 21:11.49 | xand | tyteen4a03: it can be a good idea to use ssh-copy-id to do it btw |
| 21:12.01 | tyteen4a03 | xand, current workstation is windows |
| 21:12.05 | xand | tyteen4a03: tail /var/log/auth.log on the server to see why it didn't work |
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| 21:13.12 | xand | tyteen4a03: it could be a permissions issue to do with that file or your home directory (being too widely open) |
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| 21:13.33 | tyteen4a03 | the authorized_keys file itself is 600 |
| 21:13.41 | tyteen4a03 | the directory is probably 644 |
| 21:14.04 | xand | probably? |
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| 21:15.46 | tyteen4a03 | xand, nevermind - was 755 it seems |
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| 21:16.58 | daemon | nvz, got it! |
| 21:16.59 | daemon | im sure we |
| 21:17.02 | daemon | conf2[X86] Force use of PCI Configuration |
| 21:17.02 | daemon | Mechanism 2. |
| 21:17.05 | daemon | ^ fixs it |
| 21:17.38 | tyteen4a03 | hmm, key is still refused |
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| 21:17.56 | nvz | daemon: idk what that means.. |
| 21:18.06 | daemon | nvz, me neither i just went down the list |
| 21:18.06 | nvz | seems like copypastafail |
| 21:18.22 | daemon | oh the 'im sure we...' yep that was paste fail |
| 21:18.24 | daemon | but 'conf2' |
| 21:18.26 | daemon | pci=conf2 |
| 21:18.29 | daemon | fixs the boot issue |
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| 21:18.33 | nvz | oh.. |
| 21:18.50 | daemon | what it means I hafe no idea it looks like al alternative pci discovery method |
| 21:19.44 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:20.17 | Posterdati | please help, which tool could I use to convert .mv to .avi on debian? |
| 21:22.22 | petn-randall | Posterdati: .mv is the TLD of moldavia, do you mean quicktime .mov? |
| 21:22.36 | Posterdati | please help, which tool could I use to convert .mkv to .avi on debian? |
| 21:22.39 | Posterdati | sorry |
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| 21:23.35 | epsilon | these are actually container formats, especially avi |
| 21:24.09 | petn-randall | Posterdati: both are container formats that can have several video/audio codecs inside, what do you want to do with the .avi? |
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| 21:25.25 | zykotic10 | mkv is "ususally" the perfered container of the two... avi must die (perhaps even more then ftp). |
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| 21:26.00 | Posterdati | petn-randall: I want to make .mkv files to be readable by mediastation |
| 21:26.02 | ImaLamer | zykotic10: flash will replace both avi and ftp |
| 21:26.20 | ImaLamer | Posterdati: ffmpeg and other tools will do the job, most likely |
| 21:26.28 | epsilon | and java will also replace flash |
| 21:26.35 | ImaLamer | i hope |
| 21:26.49 | zykotic10 | ImaLamer: i sure hope not ;) [same for java] |
| 21:26.59 | petn-randall | ImaLamer: Hahaha, you mean adobe flash? That's funny :D |
| 21:29.02 | Posterdati | ImaLamer: tx |
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| 21:31.05 | streulma | hello, are there good people here that wants to help me with a server setup on a vm? |
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| 21:33.10 | digdilem | question's too vague,. streulma. Ask a specific question about a specific problem, might get an answer |
| 21:34.50 | streulma | I want to set up a Debian system on a VPS, I could split the server in 3 partitions, 1 for swap, 1 / and 1 /home; With other like var, the system don't boots... |
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| 21:36.26 | kizer | hi |
| 21:36.33 | kizer | whats the program to make a debian distro iso |
| 21:36.41 | kizer | to clone my system to share |
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| 21:37.13 | streulma | kizer: wait... |
| 21:37.17 | kizer | thanks |
| 21:37.25 | streulma | I know one but forgotten the name |
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| 21:37.37 | kizer | remastersys |
| 21:37.38 | kizer | thanks |
| 21:38.52 | streulma | kizer: remastersys |
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| 21:41.03 | kizer | lol |
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| 21:41.45 | streulma | ? |
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| 21:43.05 | streulma | kizer: not good ? |
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| 21:44.44 | streulma | kizer: oh I see... the developer would not develop anymore :( |
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| 21:45.00 | p\mage | Hello. How do I mark a package as non installable so it gets out of my face? I want to install all packages from task-gnome-desktop except for evolution |
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| 21:45.36 | basic6 | How do I increase the soft lockup timeout (dmesg: soft lockup - cpu stuck for 22s) ? |
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| 21:46.19 | streulma | basic6: oh ! is it Virtualbox you run ?? |
| 21:46.54 | basic6 | streulma: no vmware but how do i increase the timeout? |
| 21:47.32 | streulma | basic6: don't know, but same problem in Ubuntu ! |
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| 21:48.30 | basic6 | i just want to increase the timeout, sometimes the host gets really slow and thats why the vms run into this timeout - i just dont want to see that warning message |
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| 21:49.00 | streulma | basic6: oh, that's the reason... |
| 21:49.01 | basic6 | streulma: im sure its probably just a kernel variable that has to be set in some sort of rc.conf file or something like that |
| 21:49.15 | p\mage | Ok guys, I'm pissed |
| 21:49.28 | basic6 | streulma: i'm not looking for the root cause because i know what it is. i just want to increase the timeout, that's all |
| 21:49.43 | p\mage | my USB keyboard works in Xorg even after I login to a GUI session but my USB mouse doesn't work at all |
| 21:49.57 | p\mage | there's no mouse pointer on the slim login manager so I can't tell if it ever worked |
| 21:50.02 | p\mage | I guess I could try startx |
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| 22:01.39 | Nahledge | During installation I was prompted that my wifi driver apparently isnt free and will not be automatically installed, I opted to install later. What is this about? Wifi usually works out the box for me on this machine, INCLUDING a debian install I did a bit over a year ago. |
| 22:01.56 | Nahledge | Is there some sort of new initial procedure for new debian installs? |
| 22:02.02 | Nahledge | (relating to wifi) |
| 22:04.31 | Nahledge | lscpi: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | Nahledge: depends which ISO you used |
| 22:05.10 | Nahledge | unetbootin "Debian Stable 64 Bit" |
| 22:05.23 | Nahledge | I JUST installed unetbootin so im assuming whatever iso they link to |
| 22:06.41 | Nahledge | Well I got the driver in a .gz file now in my downloads folder. Not sure what to do with it though |
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| 22:07.00 | zykotic10 | waits for unetbootin comment... and does have a reply if anyone makes one. [BUT, unetbootin is crap!... oh i guess that's a unetbootin comment ;) ] |
| 22:07.46 | Nahledge | Yeah the unetbootin install also FORCED me to install LILO bootloader, for some odd reason GRUB was returning fatal errors during the install. Its not really a problem, I only really care about the wifi. |
| 22:08.13 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: there is some non-official binary iso you can get (sorry i forget the factoid for it) |
| 22:08.25 | Nahledge | I really dont want to reinstall my whole OS |
| 22:08.29 | Nahledge | this is messed up if I do |
| 22:08.31 | Nahledge | just to get wifi |
| 22:08.47 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: oh then what's the pciid of the device? no reinstall required. |
| 22:08.48 | Nahledge | I just finished a fresh install, it'd be pretty ridiculous to search for another iso |
| 22:09.12 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: the lspci -vnvn with the number like XXXXX:XXXXX type thing? |
| 22:09.13 | Nahledge | zykotic10: how do I check that? I tried lscpi | -i wireless: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
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| 22:10.08 | Nahledge | sorry I missed one of your messages |
| 22:10.11 | Nahledge | give me a second |
| 22:10.49 | Nahledge | zykotic10: 10ec:8136 |
| 22:10.52 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: use "lspci -vnvn | grep -i wireless" and return with the number that looks like "10ec:8172" |
| 22:10.58 | zykotic10 | ,pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 22:10.59 | judd | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 22:11.16 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: you are using wheezy right? |
| 22:11.46 | Nahledge | I have no clue, was on UBUNTU, I installed unbetbootin, (earlier todaY), I chose Debian Stable 64-Bit. |
| 22:11.49 | Nahledge | Thats all I know |
| 22:11.56 | Nahledge | It didnt not list codenaames |
| 22:12.04 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: "lsb_release -a" |
| 22:12.05 | Nahledge | like squeeze, sid, etc, it only said stable or unstable |
| 22:12.21 | Nahledge | Distributor ID:Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy) Release:7.1 Codename:wheezy |
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| 22:12.46 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: that's wheezy. "lsmod | grep r8169" give output? |
| 22:13.15 | Nahledge | zykotic10: r8169 46972 0 mii 12675 1 r8169 |
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| 22:14.21 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: wait a second! that pciid you gave was for your wired network! that's working isn't it? |
| 22:14.30 | Nahledge | Wired is working |
| 22:14.33 | Nahledge | Thats how im online |
| 22:14.43 | Nahledge | Only one computer in this house, its a laptop, and I am on it |
| 22:14.47 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: so wrong pciid you gave! |
| 22:15.54 | Nahledge | 10ec:8181 |
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| 22:15.59 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller = ethernet, look for wireless. just try "lspci -vnvn" and find the wireless in the list perhaps |
| 22:16.09 | zykotic10 | ,pciid 10ec:8181 |
| 22:16.10 | judd | [10ec:8181] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8181 |
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| 22:16.29 | zykotic10 | Nahledge: good luck. I've got no suggestions... |
| 22:16.51 | Nahledge | Strange how Ubuntu seemed to work but not Debian |
| 22:16.53 | Nahledge | Far out... |
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| 22:17.28 | abrotman | different distros |
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| 22:19.37 | Nahledge | Seems my last 2 hours were a waste of time |
| 22:19.38 | Nahledge | fuckl |
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| 22:53.57 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 22:54.29 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 23:26.39 | CheckDavid | Hello, can anyone assist me installing a backported kernel for my Radeon HD 6480G? Thanks for considering. |
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| 23:37.34 | GiBa | anyone knows what to tell to debian installer/partman on a preseed so it clears every lvm lv and vg? because if the disk already has a vg (when reinstalling) it waits for user input |
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