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| 00:01.19 | Wurblerzod | I'm trying to reinstall the kernel from a live session, but it's not working. When chrooting into the old system, apt update fails to connect to anything. I've tried installing linux-headers and linux-image, but the post-install scripts keep failing for a multitude of reasons. I tried following what was suggested here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/deleted-boot-partition-need-to-reinstall-kernel-547947/ but "chroot PATH=..." won't wor |
| 00:01.19 | Wurblerzod | k (PATH=... is not a directory) |
| 00:01.41 | Wurblerzod | Could someone direct me to the right way to do this? |
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| 00:05.42 | VsioZashibis | hi. is there a way to suspend all cron jobs |
| 00:05.55 | themill | VsioZashibis: stop cron |
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| 00:06.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Wurblerzod about fixgrub |
| 00:06.34 | themill | Wurblerzod: it wouldn't surprise me if you need the same set of bind mounts since grub hook scripts will get run as part of the kernel installation |
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| 00:08.11 | Wurblerzod | themill: GRUB works fine, actually! But there's no kernel. Trying to install it from chroot causes a post install script to fail, and booting with that causes a kernel panic. |
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| 00:08.28 | Wurblerzod | themill: But I can boot into GRUB. |
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| 00:08.55 | Wurblerzod | themill: I did use the same bind mounts when chrooting. |
| 00:09.33 | themill | can you pastebin the entire apt or dpkg run from installing the kernel so we can see what's happening? |
| 00:10.34 | Wurblerzod | Sure, I'm in a live session now so I'll just run it again... |
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| 00:23.39 | Wurblerzod | themill: http://pastebin.com/wErfRXzh |
| 00:23.50 | Wurblerzod | Entire run of everything |
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| 00:25.50 | themill | Wurblerzod: can you pastebin the output of "find /var/lib/dkms/ -maxdepth 3 -type d |
| 00:26.00 | themill | " |
| 00:27.04 | Wurblerzod | themill: http://pastebin.com/rkMPpW3j |
| 00:28.14 | themill | Wurblerzod: do you actually use either of those two? (ndiswrapper or virtualbox-guest) |
| 00:28.40 | Wurblerzod | themill: Not the second one. |
| 00:29.13 | themill | unfortunately dkms hasn't actually told us which file it didn't like :( |
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| 00:29.59 | Wurblerzod | themill: Anything that can be done about that? |
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| 00:30.05 | themill | Wurblerzod: well if you don't use it, there's no harm in "dpkg -r virtualbox-guest-dkms" |
| 00:30.35 | Wurblerzod | Done. |
| 00:30.40 | Wurblerzod | No more of that. |
| 00:31.33 | themill | Wurblerzod: did that complete successfully? Did dpkg end up processing the kernel package's triggers at the same time? |
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| 00:32.29 | Wurblerzod | It said, Reading Database... Removing... Deleting module version 4.1.18 completely from DKMS tree. Done. |
| 00:32.42 | Wurblerzod | And that's it for console output. |
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| 00:33.03 | themill | ok. well try having apt install the kernel again. |
| 00:33.07 | themill | ,bug #651973 |
| 00:33.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/651973 in dkms (open): «BUILT_MODULE_NAME[#] required if linux-headers-* is installed/updated after the foo-dkms package»; severity: important; opened: 2011-12-13; last modified: 2013-06-15. |
| 00:33.15 | themill | ahh thought this was vaguely familiar |
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| 00:33.56 | Wurblerzod | So should I try reinstalling the kernel now? |
| 00:34.47 | themill | Wurblerzod: you can try but I think you're going to need to "dpkg -r ndiswrapper-dkms" then install the kernel then install ndiswrapper-dkms again |
| 00:35.33 | themill | (you could probably just disable dkms building ndiswrapper temporarily too but I don't know which knob to twiddle to accomplish that) |
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| 00:36.49 | Wurblerzod | Did that. Error. http://pastebin.com/surFrY1R |
| 00:36.55 | gez | Hi. I've been using Debian testing for a while, and I've always experienced really slow repositories. No matter what mirror I choose (even all the recommended by netselect-apt), I always get downloads under 50 KB/s. |
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| 00:37.42 | gez | Is this normal, or my ISP is throttling my http transfers? Is there something I can do? |
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| 00:37.47 | themill | Wurblerzod: well, that's one error fixed, time for the next one... :S |
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| 00:39.29 | ImaLamer | gez: that sounds atypical |
| 00:40.06 | ImaLamer | are any other http transfers capped at that speed? |
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| 00:42.22 | themill | Wurblerzod: what version of plymouth do you have there? "aptitude versions ~nplymouth" |
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| 00:43.31 | gez | ImaLamer: Not for all the http traffic |
| 00:43.34 | Wurblerzod | themill: 0.8.5.1-5 |
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| 00:44.02 | gez | ImaLamer: I suspect some throttling because there are some sites that are quite slow too. Like Youtube |
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| 00:44.26 | themill | Wurblerzod: do you have the libpango1.0-0 package installed? |
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| 00:44.41 | gez | I guess that throttling youtube makes sense for an internet provider, since most of their bandwith is probably used by sites like that |
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| 00:45.31 | gez | 12yo kids attack |
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| 00:45.56 | sagir3 | Wtf |
| 00:46.09 | Wurblerzod | themill: yes, at version 1.32.5-5 |
| 00:46.41 | themill | Wurblerzod: ahh... now where's that version from? |
| 00:46.45 | sagir3 | Whoever says gentoo again is gay |
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| 00:49.55 | themill | (Sorry, unregistered users -- if you can't speak in the channel, please register with and identify to nickserv -- /msg nickserv help register ; /msg nickserv help identify ) |
| 00:49.56 | Admin01 | lol |
| 00:50.16 | sagir3 | Good idea |
| 00:50.48 | abrotman | Admin01: it's not really funny, please keep that sort of comment to yourself |
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| 00:52.23 | \\Mr_C\\ | is there an instant messenger client for console (non-gui)? |
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| 00:53.08 | jiohdi | there is irssi and weechat for terminal irc |
| 00:53.16 | Admin01 | abrotman, myob ;) |
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| 00:53.51 | abrotman | \\Mr_C\\: finch is one |
| 00:54.00 | themill | Admin01: non-free accounting software isn't on-topic here either. Thanks. |
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| 00:59.57 | clue_h | \\Mr_C\\, Finch ? |
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| 01:02.29 | Wurblerzod | Talk? |
| 01:02.49 | themill | dpkg: tell Wurblerzod about not available |
| 01:03.02 | themill | Wurblerzod: can you run that long aptitude command and pastebin the results for us? |
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| 01:06.03 | Wurblerzod | themill: http://pastebin.com/r3tFyd05 |
| 01:06.49 | themill | ! |
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| 01:08.49 | themill | Wurblerzod: what does "apt-cache policy apt libc6 dpkg perl" say? |
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| 01:11.14 | Wurblerzod | themill: http://pastebin.com/u2nQEKRU |
| 01:11.30 | themill | what a mess |
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| 01:29.51 | themill | Wurblerzod: well at this stage, I'd suggest you get rid of plymouth stuff, try getting the kernel installed and then finish your upgrade to jessie... although if this is a machine you need to just work and tracking the testing release isn't an option for you, you need to back up your data and reinstall. |
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| 01:33.06 | Wurblerzod | themill: apt update fails in chroot |
| 01:33.26 | Wurblerzod | with -11 System Error for resolving all repos |
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| 01:36.05 | themill | Wurblerzod: you should be able to remove plymouth and install the kernel without doing that |
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| 01:58.13 | OpusOne | anyone succeeded to compile Intel HD4600 graphics drivers (haswell) on wheezy ? |
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| 02:47.52 | [E]sc | is there a way to bring up which specific program in using the memory? Chrome creates multiple clones of itself, and I want to close the one that's causing the memory leak, but when I do a kill -9 using the pid, it'll shutdown all the chrome instances instead of just the one....I'm using wheezy. |
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| 02:59.21 | oren | i am following this guide for raid1+lvm - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 02:59.54 | oren | 1 am in the step of creating logical volume. |
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| 03:00.43 | oren | in the guide they don't split the filesystem or creating a swap. |
| 03:00.57 | oren | but they say it's not a good idea. |
| 03:01.21 | oren | can someone guide me what would be a good idea? it's sad that the guide is not following best practices. |
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| 03:05.02 | rjsalts | oren: splitting the filesystem is hedging against filling valuable partitions. for instance if you have separate /home then you can't fill up / or /var, usually it's most important on a busy server where you have lots of logs going to /var |
| 03:05.45 | rjsalts | oren: as to the swap, I usually do twice the physical ram on the system, or 2 gig, whichever is smallest |
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| 03:06.42 | jiohdi | anyone try to use remastersys on deb? it says I have like 54Gigs of data but I have no idea how |
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| 03:07.59 | mischief | hey everyone |
| 03:08.08 | mischief | i'm using debian 7, and all gifs seem to be broken |
| 03:08.17 | mischief | none of them render correctly in any program |
| 03:08.22 | mischief | has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 03:10.03 | jiohdi | mischief animated or not? |
| 03:10.09 | mischief | either |
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| 03:10.21 | jiohdi | what about in gimp? |
| 03:10.35 | daveee1__ | just looking to resize my /home partition. any easy way to do it from within the dm? |
| 03:10.43 | Owner | boy |
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| 03:10.53 | Owner | ldap sure hates me |
| 03:11.15 | jiohdi | daveee1__: gparted from a livecd? |
| 03:11.49 | daveee1__ | jiohdi: so it's not easy from within the dm? |
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| 03:12.19 | jiohdi | daveee1__: if you are mounted and running, I doubt you can alter it, got to do it from the outside |
| 03:12.25 | mischief | jiohdi: it looks fine but i don't know how to play gifs in gimp |
| 03:12.31 | daveee1__ | jiohdi: k, thanks |
| 03:12.41 | jiohdi | mischief: under animation there is a play option |
| 03:12.52 | mischief | for example this gif does not play in my chromium-browser from dl.google.com apt repos |
| 03:12.56 | mischief | http://gifb.in/KXBV |
| 03:13.47 | mischief | jiohdi: i don't see an animation menu |
| 03:14.28 | jiohdi | mischief: tools/animation/playback |
| 03:14.35 | jiohdi | sorry filters |
| 03:14.41 | oren | rjsalts: where do i do that? do i need to leave the lvm configuration and go back to partitioning section? |
| 03:14.46 | jiohdi | filters/animation/playback |
| 03:15.30 | mischief | jiohdi: it says frame 1 of 1 |
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| 03:15.51 | mischief | i did wget wget http://gifs.gifbin.com/072013/1374772757_epic_soldier_rifle_throw.gif; gimp 1374772757_epic_soldier_rifle_throw.gif |
| 03:17.19 | oren | rjsalts: also, do i setup a swap on the to partitions that are part of my raid1? |
| 03:17.43 | mischief | jiohdi: another example is this gif |
| 03:17.47 | mischief | http://gifb.in/k4sV |
| 03:17.59 | mischief | shows up like this in both chrome and gimp |
| 03:18.01 | mischief | http://i.imgur.com/WCwh6hV.png |
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| 03:18.17 | mischief | is this weird or what |
| 03:18.22 | rjsalts | oren: you can put swap on your lvm, just create another logical volume there |
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| 03:20.28 | mischief | as you can see in another operating system (plan 9) it works fine http://i.imgur.com/PoDKNrf.png |
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| 03:21.11 | jiohdi | mischief: when you open in gimp, you do not see the layers? I do |
| 03:21.17 | VsioZashibis | hi. how can I make sure cyrillic characters are working fine in debian 7 server ? |
| 03:21.21 | mischief | no jiohdi |
| 03:21.46 | oren | rjsalts: in the menu i see 'create logic volume' clicking on it ask me to select the volume group. i only have one, called vg1 |
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| 03:22.00 | jiohdi | mischief: I did the wget thing and it worked normally, dont know why yours is messing up |
| 03:22.07 | mischief | jiohdi: this is the layers dialog http://i.imgur.com/JiTA0K6.png |
| 03:22.09 | oren | and it's taking the entire 2 drives for my raid1. |
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| 03:22.19 | oren | rjsalts: do i need to create another volume group? |
| 03:22.31 | oren | or do i need to spilt this one somehow? |
| 03:22.53 | oren | jiohdi: i am ok to create my raid1 without lvm, if it makes things easy. |
| 03:23.15 | mischief | should i try to reinstall the graphics libraries? |
| 03:23.26 | jiohdi | oren, sorry, not my level of expertize, I am only with linux 3 yrs |
| 03:23.43 | oren | i meant rjsalts |
| 03:23.47 | oren | jiohdi: sorry |
| 03:23.49 | themill | VsioZashibis: what exactly do you mean? can you describe more what you are doing and what's not working? |
| 03:23.54 | jiohdi | oren: np |
| 03:24.21 | jiohdi | mischief: sorry, dont know enough to be sure that would do anything, but something must have gotten corrupted |
| 03:24.28 | tapout | what's the leading/best irc client for linux when using console? irssi? |
| 03:24.35 | oren | tapout: no. weechat |
| 03:24.41 | jiohdi | tapout weechat |
| 03:24.49 | oren | it's like irssi but nicer and easier |
| 03:24.52 | mischief | why is weechat better than irssi :) |
| 03:24.58 | mischief | i use both fwiw |
| 03:24.59 | oren | better defaults, |
| 03:25.00 | jiohdi | irssi is good but weechat is much better |
| 03:25.06 | oren | easier to configure and extend |
| 03:25.12 | oren | more maintained |
| 03:25.14 | jiohdi | weechat is like an actual client |
| 03:25.28 | mischief | as opposed to irssi not being an actual client? |
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| 03:25.38 | jiohdi | irssi is like chatting in a terminal |
| 03:25.44 | mischief | i use irssi for irc and weechat for bitlbee/xmpp |
| 03:25.44 | jiohdi | weechat is like using xchat |
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| 03:26.33 | jiohdi | irssi can probably be rigged to be more like xchat, but out of the box weechat is like xchat |
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| 03:27.06 | mischief | what's so desireable about xchat? |
| 03:27.06 | oren | what should i format my filesystem as? ext4? |
| 03:27.28 | jiohdi | mischieft the layout |
| 03:27.37 | Owner | xchat |
| 03:27.58 | tapout | thanks fellas |
| 03:28.02 | tapout | weechat it up |
| 03:28.10 | Owner | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:28.20 | tapout | xchat doesn't work on the console no? |
| 03:28.29 | Owner | xchat-text |
| 03:28.29 | mischief | no it's gtk |
| 03:28.45 | peterrooney | !start an IRC war |
| 03:28.46 | Owner | last i checked it ran on both |
| 03:28.55 | mischief | is it really got a curses interface? |
| 03:29.00 | themill | (and this is why we don't like polls) |
| 03:29.04 | peterrooney | !start an editor war |
| 03:29.04 | dpkg | xemacs is known to repel members of your preferred sex. |
| 03:29.11 | peterrooney | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 03:29.13 | Owner | yes |
| 03:29.33 | oren | vim |
| 03:29.48 | oren | vim > emacs |
| 03:29.51 | jiohdi | nano |
| 03:30.05 | peterrooney | start a factoid war |
| 03:30.28 | clue_h | nano > notepad |
| 03:30.40 | Owner | nano > vim |
| 03:30.54 | peterrooney | haven't heard of the notepad package before |
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| 03:31.06 | Owner | wine notepad.exe |
| 03:31.11 | clue_h | haha |
| 03:31.20 | Owner | comes with wine |
| 03:31.27 | clue_h | awesome tool |
| 03:31.29 | jiohdi | like my ex |
| 03:31.30 | clue_h | notepad. |
| 03:31.35 | Owner | vuri useful |
| 03:31.50 | mischief | sam |
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| 03:33.59 | daveee1__ | in refferring to booting things what does ESP mean? |
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| 03:34.29 | Owner | cpu register? |
| 03:34.43 | clue_h | extended stack pointer |
| 03:34.44 | mischief | daveee1__: the stack pointer |
| 03:34.45 | clue_h | in asm, |
| 03:34.53 | Owner | there |
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| 03:35.13 | Owner | xetented astck opintre |
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| 03:40.03 | daveee1__ | does esp stand for anything |
| 03:40.32 | jiohdi | E.xtended S.tack P.ointer |
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| 03:41.39 | jk- | daveee1__: In the context of booting? EFI System Partition. |
| 03:41.49 | VsioZashibis | themill: sorry was afk for a minute |
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| 03:42.30 | VsioZashibis | themill: I have a script which writes cyrillic characters to the log file. And in the log file I see weird characters instead of proper cyrillic. ) |
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| 03:46.13 | tapout | so i was looking on debian.org for debian 6.0 and it seems like they're only doing 7. I wanted to install squeeze locally and try upgrading and see what happens so when I do it remotely I don't have to pay for kvm |
| 03:46.32 | daveee1__ | thanks jiohdi and jk- |
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| 03:47.07 | daveee1__ | and clue_h |
| 03:48.28 | daveee1__ | and the D-I is the debian-installer? |
| 03:50.46 | jmcnaught | tapout: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 03:52.03 | tapout | thank you! |
| 03:52.15 | jmcnaught | no problem |
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| 04:00.04 | daveee1__ | when can i reclaim the 1MB BIOSGRUB partition as talked about in this howto? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=81120 |
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| 04:02.58 | jk- | daveee1__: are you using UEFI? |
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| 04:08.05 | daveee1__ | jk-: yes |
| 04:08.23 | daveee1__ | jk-: i followeed all instructions in the first part of the how to. |
| 04:08.39 | jk- | daveee1__: if you're booting via UEFI, then you don't need the biosgrub partition. you *do* need the EFI system partition though. |
| 04:08.41 | daveee1__ | jk-: including the efibootmgr |
| 04:09.09 | daveee1__ | jk-: might the old biosgrub partition now be the efi system partition? |
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| 04:10.28 | jk- | daveee1__: no, (according to that doc) you created a separate partition for the ESP. |
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| 04:11.34 | daveee1__ | jk-: ok. well. maybe i didn't, because last time i deleted the partition i got grub rescue. here is something i did different though(doh!): |
| 04:11.59 | daveee1__ | when i was supposed to mkdir /boot/efi/EFI/boot |
| 04:12.12 | daveee1__ | jk-: the output i got was that the directory existed |
| 04:12.35 | daveee1__ | jk-: so then i did the next command cp.... and it said the file didnt exist. |
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| 04:13.06 | jk- | daveee1__: sounds like you didn't have the EFI version of the grub package then. |
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| 04:13.23 | daveee1__ | jk-: so i had to capitalize the boot "/boot/efi/EFI/Boot" in the "cp" command because that is what supposedly prevented me from mkdir /boot/efi/EFI/boot |
| 04:14.01 | jk- | and your ESP is definitely mounted on /boot/efi? |
| 04:14.23 | jk- | oh, sounds like you do then |
| 04:14.28 | daveee1__ | jk-: i think i do though, because i can restart my computer. in uefi and see grub, and run debian |
| 04:15.08 | daveee1__ | jk-: but when he said to make a 1MB BIOSGRUB partition, i just made a partition that is 1GB and is mounted at /boot and has a bootable flag. is that what was intended? |
| 04:15.40 | mumpitze1 | daveee1__: no that's a boot partition |
| 04:15.59 | jk- | daveee1__: no, I don't think it was for /boot at all |
| 04:16.14 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: how do i make a BIOSGRUB partition? i did not see any option to do anything different? |
| 04:17.13 | daveee1__ | jk-: mumpitze1: damn. well the booting into uefi part worked. and i got windows 8 to boot after editing 40_custom in /etc/grub.d |
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| 04:18.03 | mumpitze1 | BIOSgrub most certainly means a small partition which points to the same space in GPT and MBR partition tables |
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| 04:18.42 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: how am i supposed to do that? |
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| 04:19.17 | mumpitze1 | I dunno. create it normally in the lower 2TB of your harddisk |
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| 04:19.31 | mumpitze1 | that's what I'd do. but I haven't read the docs you are working with |
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| 04:19.51 | jk- | daveee1__: sounds like it doesn't matter. as long as it's not mounted, you should be fine. (so you don't lose stuff when you destroy it) |
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| 04:20.14 | codygman | I have a GPT partition on sda1, how can I install grub to it? |
| 04:20.15 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: i mean how do i make it point to MBR and GPT |
| 04:20.58 | mumpitze1 | every partition is in the partition tables or it's no partition |
| 04:21.10 | daveee1__ | jk-: well, it is just my /boot, so maybe i should move it to my root and then delete the partition |
| 04:22.01 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: i get that, but how do i make the BIOSgrub partition point to the same space in GPT and MBR? |
| 04:22.10 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: and do i put anything on it? |
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| 04:24.28 | mumpitze1 | that's a feature of the partitioning software. should do it automatically |
| 04:25.19 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: ok, so i just call it BIOSgrub? this isn't something that i can do with the debian installer? |
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| 04:29.45 | mumpitze1 | partitions have no names |
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| 04:34.02 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: help me out a little bit here. why does the D-I not give that option |
| 04:34.22 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: is specific partitioning software needed for that? |
| 04:35.39 | daveee1__ | mumpitze1: if i run the partitioner, it would give the option for a biosgrub partition? and it would automatically point to the same space in GPT and MBR tables? |
| 04:36.52 | jk- | daveee1__: are you installing from scratch here? |
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| 04:37.04 | Skaag | is there something better than apt-get.org ? |
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| 04:37.24 | daveee1__ | jk-: onto a system that has windows 8. i did partitioning in windows 8 and in the D-I |
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| 04:38.23 | jk- | daveee1__: it seems you're doing this the hard way then? "The simplest way to achieve UEFI booting is to use the latest Wheezy installer for the AMD64-version on a UEFI-capable computer provided with a GUID Partition Table (GPT). If you can do it that way, then this HOWTO is not for you" |
| 04:39.11 | jk- | you seem to be installing in legacy-bios mode, then converting that to UEFI, right? |
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| 05:10.28 | daveee123 | jk-: i got disconnected. did you respond to that last comment? |
| 05:11.03 | jk- | daveee123: last I got from you was: |
| 05:11.11 | jk- | daveee1__> jk-: onto a system that has windows 8. i did partitioning in windows 8 and in the D-I |
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| 05:13.00 | daveee123 | jk-: yup |
| 05:13.31 | daveee123 | jk-: so does a partitioning program add the BIOSgrub? between the windows discmngr and the D-I i didn't see the option |
| 05:13.51 | daveee123 | jk-: did the D-I do it automatically? |
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| 05:15.56 | daveee123 | jk-: ? |
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| 05:18.53 | codygman | I'm trying to create a new EFI entry and got this error: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables. I tried modprobe efivars but it made no difference. |
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| 05:22.09 | jk- | daveee123: and my response was: |
| 05:22.17 | jk- | <jk-> daveee1__: it seems you're doing this the hard way then? "The simplest way to achieve UEFI booting is to use the latest Wheezy installer for the AMD64-version on a UEFI-capable computer provided with a GUID Partition Table (GPT). If you can do it that way, then this HOWTO is not for you" |
| 05:22.18 | jk- | <jk-> you seem to be installing in legacy-bios mode, then converting that to UEFI, right? |
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| 05:27.01 | daveee123 | jk-: yup |
| 05:27.13 | daveee123 | jk-: otherwise the USB was not recognized |
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| 05:27.41 | daveee123 | jk-: i am using debian wheezy stable, but i got it a few weeks ago |
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| 05:36.19 | sttau | it's working now. what the hell. |
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| 05:41.28 | germs | SineTheCreator: yo |
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| 06:19.31 | |Patch| | hi. my WiFi got package lost around 90% :/ |
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| 06:25.15 | JayPro | hey .. just installed debian 7... coming from ubuntu, this looks promising. now i was just on the website looking for a server version... one that is non graphical. is there a debian server? i did not see it on the website |
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| 06:28.12 | jmcnaught | JayPro: there's no separate server version. the way to do it is simply to not install a graphical environment |
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| 06:28.56 | JayPro | ohh... you can do that from the install? i must have missed that option... |
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| 06:30.31 | jmcnaught | there's a part of the install for task selection. it has options like print server, ssh server etc. graphical enviroment (or something like that, can't remember verbatim) is on of the options. i think it's selected by default |
| 06:31.22 | JayPro | ooohhhh... okay i remember that screen.... thanks jmcnaught! |
| 06:31.40 | jmcnaught | also that very first menu that the install disk shows when you boot has an option for "expert install".. all that does is ask more questions, so you get a little more control |
| 06:32.17 | JayPro | ahh.. okay... |
| 06:33.51 | jmcnaught | i just checked, expert install is under advanced options. it still has the default for most of the questions (which would be skipped in the normal mode). i recommend giving it a try in a VM |
| 06:33.53 | |Patch| | hi. my WiFi got package lost around 90% :/ .. got INterel Corpt PRO/Wireless 3645ABG [Golan] wlan-chipset in my notebook... kernel driver is iwl3945 |
| 06:34.02 | bullgard4 | codygman: Why does '~$ ccze -F /var/log/boot' not produce and does not terminate? |
| 06:34.18 | bullgard4 | codygman: Why does '~$ ccze -F /var/log/boot' not produce any output and does not terminate? |
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| 06:35.12 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: the -F option is to use a different ccze config file (instead of the default one) |
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| 06:36.08 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: i think you're supposed to use input redirection (so like "ccze < /var/log/boot") |
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| 06:40.51 | bullgard4 | jmcnaught: On my Wheezy uxterm '~$ ccze < /var/log/boot' displays output for a fraction of a second and immeadiately terminates without any output left on my screen. |
| 06:41.24 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: not sure, never used it myself :) |
| 06:41.31 | bullgard4 | r |
| 06:41.57 | jmcnaught | does it work with any other log files? |
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| 06:43.15 | bullgard4 | jmcnaught: '~$ ccze < /var/log/syslog' behaves the same. |
| 06:44.44 | jmcnaught | i just tried with syslog, it displays the log in colour and exits immediately (but leaves the output on the screen). maybe it's supposed to be used with a pager? |
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| 06:45.41 | bullgard4 | jmcnaught: So how to bring into play a pager? |
| 06:46.09 | jmcnaught | heh, well i just tried using it with less, that didn't work |
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| 06:46.22 | themill | does it need "less -r"? |
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| 06:47.44 | jmcnaught | themill: that worked |
| 06:48.11 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: so try "ccze < /var/log/syslog|less -r" |
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| 07:00.10 | bullgard4 | jmcnaught: '~$ ccze < /var/log/syslog|less -r' displays on my uxterm the contents of the file colorful but I cannot scroll back. - '~$ ccze < /var/log/syslog|most' lets me scroll back. But after terminating the program, the terminal does not accept any keyboard input to this terminal any longer. |
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| 07:02.18 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: i can scroll with that command, but i'm using gnome-terminal |
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| 07:12.59 | jmcnaught | bullgard4: actually i'm having the same problem with syslog, but not with kern.log (initially my syslog file was too short because the log had just been rolled) |
| 07:13.31 | bullgard4 | jmcnaught: Ok. |
| 07:14.06 | sabarish | Hi all. I have a problem with cvs. there is one directory when I do a checkout hangs for a while and during that time the cvs server cpu & memory usage peaks !.. |
| 07:14.21 | sabarish | dont know where to start looking for the problem.. |
| 07:14.40 | Azrael_- | perhaps telling what cvs you use? |
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| 07:16.37 | sabarish | could not find any logs in syslog, messages on the cvs server. the funny part is |
| 07:16.47 | sabarish | Azrael_-: the version is 2:1.12.13+real-9, if thats what you meant |
| 07:16.56 | sabarish | pserver ! |
| 07:17.09 | sabarish | using xinetd |
| 07:18.12 | Azrael_- | ok, didn't know there was also a cvs named just "cvs" |
| 07:18.19 | themill | tries not to offer the helpful 'solution' of using something other than cvs |
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| 07:22.41 | tiron | can everyone with gnome see/install using this web page? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/ |
| 07:22.48 | tiron | I seem to be unable to install anything there |
| 07:24.09 | jmcnaught | tiron: what web browser are you using? |
| 07:24.18 | tiron | tried ice weasel, and chrome |
| 07:25.17 | jmcnaught | it works for me. i know it relies on a firefox/iceweasel plugin to work. i'm not sure if the plugin is available for chrome |
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| 07:25.33 | tiron | jmI guess I'll try again with iceweasel |
| 07:25.47 | sabarish | Azrael_-: ii cvs 2:1.12.13+real-9 Concurrent Versions System |
| 07:26.31 | jmcnaught | tiron: in iceweasel try entering "about:plugins" into the address bar and look for the gnome shell integration plugin |
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| 07:28.52 | jmcnaught | tiron: it also works for me in epiphany (the default gnome browser that isn't installed automatically with the gnome package in debian) |
| 07:29.10 | tiron | Gnome Shell Integration is there |
| 07:29.16 | tiron | but the site still won't let me install anything |
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| 07:29.56 | tiron | it's almost like the site is down, the spinning animation icon for user comments keeps going and never loads, and the icon for the actual plugin (green puzzle piece) is grayed out |
| 07:31.10 | jmcnaught | what about the on/off toggle? |
| 07:31.19 | tiron | jmcnaught: are you logged in? |
| 07:31.32 | jmcnaught | no |
| 07:31.38 | tiron | which on/off toggle? |
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| 07:33.05 | jmcnaught | when i click on an extension from the list, it brings me to a detail page. to the left of the extension's title there's black toggle (looks like a slider but you just click it) that says off |
| 07:33.50 | jmcnaught | clicking it brings up a dialog asking if i want to install the extension, then the switch is in the "on" position and the extension is installed |
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| 07:34.14 | tiron | I don't think it shows up for me |
| 07:34.16 | tiron | so weird... |
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| 07:35.17 | jmcnaught | maybe it's adblock/noscript? have you tried epiphany? |
| 07:36.51 | tiron | jmcnaught turned off adblock everywhere it's still happenning, you know, when I first tried to go on using chrome, it did bring up a dialog a couple of times asking me whether or not to alLow it (I assume) to detect gnome |
| 07:37.04 | tiron | maybe that messed it up somehow? where would I reset that, I don't think it's a cache thing |
| 07:37.07 | tiron | let me check some settings and see |
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| 07:38.54 | nodell | Does the version if Iceweasel equate firefox's version number? |
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| 07:39.33 | jmcnaught | nodell: yes |
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| 07:41.05 | Clorith | Hi, just upgraded to Wheezy, but getting stuck on the upgrade to mysql-server-5.5 as it seems ot get stuck on an egrep (installing through aptitude) |
| 07:41.15 | Clorith | No errors or anything, it's just been sitting there for the past 3 hours |
| 07:42.21 | nodell | Is there a way to get a version of iceweasel that matches current firefox? (version 22 I believe...) The repos are showing version 17. |
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| 07:43.39 | nodell | I ran across the debian mozilla team repo but I am not sure if this is a respected, quality source... I am kind of new to debian! |
| 07:44.22 | themill | nodell: the packages that are on mozilla.debian.net are made by the same people who upload them to Debian. |
| 07:44.40 | jmcnaught | nodell: debian uses the extended support release (ESR) which is currently 17. personally i use the version from debian mozilla team |
| 07:45.30 | mjbjr | I was running my first debian install from a flashdrive, just got a journal commit error, commands are gone, system continues to run. Going to have to reinstall, to hd this time. During the install process can you avoid declaring an ip addr and just run it as root from a console on 127.0.0.1 and do all your server config and runnings from there? |
| 07:45.56 | nodell | Awesome! |
| 07:46.12 | mjbjr | and do network assignments later? |
| 07:46.15 | nodell | Are there any differences between firefox and icedove aside from branding? |
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| 07:47.50 | tiron | nope, same situation with epiphany.... so weird... could this have anything to do with the fact that I'm on a VM |
| 07:47.53 | tiron | ? |
| 07:48.25 | jmcnaught | nodell: iceweasel is the same as firefox, just rebranded (and possibly some security patches applied). icedove is the rebranded thunderbird |
| 07:48.46 | nodell | Perfect! |
| 07:48.51 | nodell | Thanks for the help! |
| 07:49.11 | jmcnaught | tiron: maybe? are you getting the regular gnome-shell in the VM, or the classic-ish one? |
| 07:49.20 | jmcnaught | nodell: you're welcome! |
| 07:49.33 | tiron | jmcnaught: not sure, how can I tell |
| 07:49.34 | tiron | ? |
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| 07:50.36 | jmcnaught | tiron: when you move your mouse pointer to the top left corner, does it show you thumbnails of all the open windows? |
| 07:51.17 | tiron | jmcnaught: nope, it's just an "Applications" menu there |
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| 07:51.23 | tiron | is that why? |
| 07:52.36 | jmcnaught | it could be related. it means that gnome is running with reduced functionality because the hardware doesn't support opengl rendering. so you're not really running the full gnome-shell that those extensions were intended for |
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| 07:53.08 | mischief | how the heck do i make sleepd suspend my laptop at 10% battery? |
| 07:53.27 | tiron | ahhh, possibly, yes. Damnit VirtualBox, I already installed the guest package, but I guess there's still no openGL, so maybe it's just not possible on a VM, or atleast, a virtualbox vm |
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| 07:58.47 | leafwiz | Hey, I'm running debian 7 with xorg slim and xmonad. I'm trying to get programs to startup by xsession og xinit. But when I put stuff there, nothing happens when xorg is restartet / started |
| 07:59.22 | skler | how do you start xorg? |
| 08:00.49 | leafwiz | I'm a bit unsure, I just apt-get slim xorg and xmonad and it workes :) |
| 08:01.09 | nodell | tiron, did you enable 3d acceleration on the VMs settings in virtualbox? I thought I read that Virtualbox can now support gnome shell... |
| 08:01.38 | leafwiz | in slim resides in init.d |
| 08:02.40 | nodell | skler, do you want x to launch a graphical login screen, or do you want to log into the command line then start x manually? |
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| 08:06.22 | leafwiz | nodell: I would like to have x to start at startup and to start xmonad. Today x probably starts slim which does and autologin into xmonad. |
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| 08:09.13 | babilen | leafwiz: I wouldn't recommend to use slim as it is quite buggy, didn't work well at all with policykit/consolekit/dbus the last time I looked and is .. well .. something that shouldn't have made it into wheezy (IMHO) |
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| 08:09.39 | babilen | leafwiz: A sensible (lightweight) replacement is lightdm and you might want to consider using that. |
| 08:09.43 | simonlnu | waves and says hello |
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| 08:10.21 | Iridos | waves back at simonlnu and looks in #d-o |
| 08:10.35 | babilen | simonlnu: Hey! Good to see you - And yeah, why not #d-o ? |
| 08:11.12 | leafwiz | babilen: okay, can I get lightdm to start programs. Or do I need to use .xinitrc or .xsession ? |
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| 08:12.00 | marcusk | Not sure, I use xdm and that's the default there |
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| 08:13.25 | nodell | You might need xinit but I can not say for sure. I always install xserver-xorg-core, xinit and lightdm and things work beutifully. |
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| 08:14.17 | nodell | If you are willing to try an alternate DM, then I would give lightDM a go. I used slim for years but it stoped being updated at some point and configuring it was always a pain compared to others. |
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| 08:15.26 | leafwiz | nodell: okay, so you put stuff into .xprofile ? |
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| 08:41.47 | lpapp | unfortunately, even though I got the shm work yesterday, it does not work anymore after a reboot |
| 08:41.57 | lpapp | jelly-home: I mounted /run from fstab |
| 08:42.01 | lpapp | bind mount |
| 08:42.15 | lpapp | but then the debian chroot (wheezy) is not getting /mnt/debian/run mounted. |
| 08:42.21 | lpapp | but then the debian chroot (wheezy) is not getting /mnt/debian/run/shm mounted.* |
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| 08:42.50 | lpapp | jelly-home: this looks alright on the host, grep -rn shm /proc/mounts |
| 08:42.50 | lpapp | 8:tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 08:44.04 | sabarish | Azrael_-: I found the issue with the cvs. Some idiot had checked in a 1.4G file to the cvs and it was stuck at that file when doing a checkout. Removed it and all looks good.. |
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| 08:44.28 | sabarish | cvs -t was really helpful to understand what and where was the checkout getting stuck..! |
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| 08:45.35 | sabarish | themill: Thanks for the suggestion, we have a group of guys using cvs religiously as they are so used to it over the years, they are not letting it go !! and I had to administer it :).. we do use git and svn also :) |
| 08:45.40 | lpapp | or anyone else? |
| 08:45.49 | lpapp | having any idea how to fix from the host (arch) the debian chroot |
| 08:45.58 | lpapp | to get this /run/shm smoothly working? |
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| 09:41.33 | leafwiz | Where is the best place to put export http_proxy= ? /etc/profile ? |
| 09:41.48 | leafwiz | or to configure the system to use a proxy? |
| 09:41.52 | leafwiz | debian 7 |
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| 09:43.22 | mischief | mine is in ~/.profile |
| 09:44.13 | leafwiz | oki |
| 09:44.48 | Jckf | I am trying to get LXC to work on a brand new Wheezy box, but freshly created containers based on the included Debian template do not start correctly. Googling suggests that I am missing the "linux-container" package, which is no long part of any Debian repo. What should I do? |
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| 09:50.35 | bitonic | I’m using setxkbmap with “-option compose:altgr” |
| 09:51.26 | bitonic | I’d like to simply type “AltGr e '” |
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| 10:14.37 | lessless | folks, I added bfgm:345:respawn:/usr/local/bin/bfgminer -c /usr/local/etc/bfgminer.conf in the inittab and run `init Q` but service doesn't start |
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| 10:42.15 | n00bst3r | guys fast question. how to change libc6 from 2.17 to 2.13 |
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| 10:44.00 | rudi_s | n00bst3r: Why? (Short answer, you don'.) |
| 10:44.04 | rudi_s | *don't |
| 10:44.32 | leafwiz | hmm.. I have tried setting export http_proxy=http://ourproxy.net:3128 in /etc/profile and ~/.profile. But i still don't have http_proxy as an variable in the env |
| 10:44.35 | n00bst3r | rudi_s: because i have dependency of locales for libc6 : Breaks: locales (< 2.17) locales : Depends: glibc-2.13-1 |
| 10:44.56 | n00bst3r | 2.17 is still unstable version |
| 10:45.04 | rudi_s | n00bst3r: And what package requires that? Are we talking about a Debian package? |
| 10:45.15 | n00bst3r | apt-get install locales |
| 10:45.58 | rudi_s | n00bst3r: locales depends on the same version as your libc. |
| 10:46.04 | rudi_s | *normally depends |
| 10:46.41 | n00bst3r | ii libc6:amd64 2.17-7 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libc6:i386 2.17-7 i386 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 10:47.10 | rudi_s | n00bst3r: So locales will/should also depend on the same version. |
| 10:47.24 | n00bst3r | well i paste you that it must be <2.17 |
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| 10:49.03 | rudi_s | n00bst3r: Where does it state that? It says Breaks: locales (< 2.17), no idea where that Depends comes from. Not from the normal locales: http://packages.debian.org/sid/locales |
| 10:50.07 | babilen | n00bst3r: Would you mind pasting your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 locales" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:50.45 | n00bst3r | babilen: nevermind :) thanks anyway :) |
| 10:50.56 | n00bst3r | rudi_s: thanks mate never thought of that :) |
| 10:51.10 | n00bst3r | rofl problem solved |
| 10:51.12 | n00bst3r | thanks guys |
| 10:51.22 | babilen | n00bst3r: What was the problem and how did you solve it? |
| 10:51.43 | n00bst3r | babilen: by installing locales 2.17 package independently |
| 10:51.46 | n00bst3r | not from the repo |
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| 10:52.00 | babilen | don't do that, may I please see the requested output before you break even more? |
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| 10:52.31 | n00bst3r | babilen: sure |
| 10:52.39 | n00bst3r | wait |
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| 10:55.11 | n00bst3r | http://paste.debian.net/18719/ |
| 10:55.13 | babilen | ta |
| 10:55.17 | zeev_ | Hi, 1) is it possible to mount an external device (disk-on-key or an usb-hard-drive, etc.) only in Write mode, but NOT in Read mode? 2) If I do chmod a-x /mnt/media - will it be possible to write there but not read from there? |
| 10:56.01 | n00bst3r | babilen: u from uk / |
| 10:56.03 | n00bst3r | ? |
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| 10:57.02 | babilen | n00bst3r: Okay, you have multiple issues there. First and foremost you shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list as that makes for bad surprises when we release the next version of Debian. I also wouldn't recommend to use PPAs as they can (and will eventually!) cause your system to fubar badly and essentially renders your configuration unsupportable (at least for #debian) |
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| 10:57.29 | babilen | n00bst3r: For the sake of this conversation you may assume that I am, in fact, from the united kingdom. |
| 10:57.55 | n00bst3r | note taken |
| 10:57.58 | CheckDavid | Hello, can anyone assist me with the installation of a backported kernel for my Radeon HD 6480G? Thanks for considering. |
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| 10:58.33 | babilen | n00bst3r: The question that remains is: How did you end up with libc6 2.17 -- You *really* shouldn't have that on a wheezy system and the fact that you do is highly suspicious and is symptomatic of underlying serious issues. Could you shed some light on the history here? |
| 10:58.52 | babilen | judd: v libc6 |
| 10:58.53 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-7; sid: 2.17-7; experimental: 2.17-90 |
| 10:59.13 | n00bst3r | babilen: well there is indeed a problem i must say. |
| 10:59.16 | babilen | n00bst3r: As you can see ^^^^ wheezy has 2.13 (which caused the problem with locales) |
| 10:59.21 | babilen | n00bst3r: Please elaborate |
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| 11:00.35 | n00bst3r | babilen: well i tried to install steam client but there was an issue with their dependencies regarding C libraries i can't remember which one but i think glibc. It wanted 2.17. |
| 11:00.37 | leafwiz | but like, seriously why is not my env variable set when I but export var=fo in ~.profile ? I boot into xmonad from lightdm and xorg. |
| 11:01.12 | leafwiz | maybe in need it in the /root/.profile hmm |
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| 11:01.19 | n00bst3r | babilen: but the newest version in the repo was 2.13 so i had to find a way to update it somehow and i updated it manually by downloading 2.17 independently |
| 11:01.29 | babilen | n00bst3r: steam is packaged in Debian (jessie and sid) and does depend on libc6 2.12 -- I don't quite see why you had to install libc6 2.17 |
| 11:01.39 | babilen | judd: v steam |
| 11:01.41 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.39-1 |
| 11:01.49 | babilen | judd: depends steam --release sid |
| 11:01.50 | judd | Package steam in sid/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.3), libx11-6, libxau6, libxcb1, libxdmcp6, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, xterm | gnome-terminal,debconf, multiarch-support. |
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| 11:02.11 | n00bst3r | well mate i really have no idea what was about be there was a dependency issue |
| 11:02.14 | n00bst3r | that's why i did it |
| 11:02.39 | zeev_ | I want to prevent users from reading external stuff, while provide them with an option to dump their work on devices they attach - is there a way to do this? |
| 11:03.05 | babilen | n00bst3r: Are you referring to the steam package that has been provided for Ubuntu and *how* did you install the newer libc6 version? |
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| 11:03.18 | tremon | zeev_: you want them to write blindly, and not be able to read what they've written? |
| 11:03.48 | n00bst3r | babilen: well i think it was related to ubuntu yeap |
| 11:03.54 | babilen | n00bst3r: Well I am not sure what to recommend right now. You have a very broken system right now and you will, most likely, either have to start tracking jessie or sid for better or worse or reinstall it. |
| 11:04.13 | Clorith | Are there any backports for Wheezy to get php 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 ? |
| 11:04.21 | n00bst3r | babilen: well at least you helped a lot |
| 11:04.28 | n00bst3r | probably i will reinstall it |
| 11:04.31 | zeev_ | tremon: yes... they should edit a local copy of a file and then copy it to an external device. |
| 11:04.58 | babilen | n00bst3r: If you hadn't had manually installed libc6 2.17 it would have been easy as you would, most likely, just have been able to install the steam package from Debian *directly* or (better, but more work) backport it from sid to wheezy by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:05.02 | n00bst3r | babilen: what if change the sources.list with unstable ones and update? |
| 11:05.03 | tremon | zeev_: and if a file with that name already exists, they should be able to overwrite it? |
| 11:05.24 | zeev_ | it should get (1) attached |
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| 11:05.46 | babilen | n00bst3r: That is possible but would mean that you track unstable. Frankly I don't feel comfortable recommending that to you as you will have to be able to deal with much more serious problems eventually. |
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| 11:06.49 | babilen | n00bst3r: You might want to track testing, but this is all unrelated to your ability to run steam. You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html (+ the rest of the book) to familiarise yourself with this. |
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| 11:06.52 | n00bst3r | well i probably reinstall |
| 11:07.05 | n00bst3r | babilen: any recommendation where to start from regarding studying linux |
| 11:07.16 | n00bst3r | and proper usage of the system ( avoid such problems like this one) |
| 11:07.16 | tremon | zeev_: use a staging area and a cron job, make the cron job move files from the (readable) staging area to the (non-readable) mounted disk |
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| 11:08.13 | babilen | n00bst3r: That is all fair and well -- just keep in mind to *never* mix stable with anything but backports. This includes testing and unstable and mixing in packages from other distributions is a sure way to break your system. |
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| 11:09.00 | n00bst3r | note taken but still you haven't told me where to start reading from if i want to learn proper usage of the system |
| 11:09.04 | tremon | n00bst3r: http://debian-handbook.info/ would be a good start |
| 11:09.21 | n00bst3r | tremon: well thank you |
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| 11:10.02 | zeev_ | tremon: what is staging area? so it is possible to mount a disk non-readable? |
| 11:10.27 | babilen | n00bst3r: Regarding literature: The aformentioned Debian Handbook is excellent and will get you quite far. There is also the <debian reference>, but I would probably recommend to start with the CLI tutorials linked in <general cli tutorial> -- Other good material is linked from <introduction> and <overview> -- All these references in <…> can be found in our bot's database and you can see them by running "/msg dpkg introduction" in your IRC client |
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| 11:10.58 | tremon | zeev_: no, that is not possible, mounting /implies/ making it accessible. You can however, make a disk only readable by root |
| 11:11.32 | n00bst3r | babilen: thanks a lot |
| 11:11.33 | tremon | zeev_: the "staging area" is just a designated directory somewhere on your filesystem |
| 11:11.33 | n00bst3r | ;) |
| 11:11.35 | babilen | n00bst3r: I should probably also mention http://www.admin.com/ which is a wonderful book and I can't recommend it enough. |
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| 11:12.18 | babilen | n00bst3r: It is, however, probably a bit too full-on for everyone who does not want to become/work as a professional sysad |
| 11:12.43 | zeev_ | tremon: nice idea... thank you. Is there a way for them to initiate the copy process? or it has to be done by a cron job every minute? |
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| 11:13.13 | n00bst3r | babilen: well for a system to be useful you really must know all is bolts and nuts |
| 11:13.14 | n00bst3r | :) |
| 11:13.26 | tremon | zeev_: you can make a suid root shell script, and make the shell script both runnable by users and periodically run from cron |
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| 11:14.25 | zeev_ | tremon: suid root shell sounds great - thank you very much! |
| 11:14.43 | babilen | n00bst3r: One thing I would try (in lieu of your reinstall) is to remove/purge every trace of that (pile of-) steam package and then manually install libc6 2.13 along with locales 2.13 from the package cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ (dpkg -i /path/to/...) -- The likelihood that this will work without causing serious problems is quite high and is definitely easier/faster than a reinstall. And then, if you plan to reinstall anyway you have ... |
| 11:14.50 | babilen | ... nothing to lose by trying it :) |
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| 11:16.32 | babilen | n00bst3r: If you go that route make sure to remove the "stable" reference in your sources.list and use one that resembles http://paste.debian.net/18726/ -- http.debian.net is a metamirror that automagically picks the "best" mirror for your |
| 11:16.39 | babilen | *you |
| 11:16.57 | n00bst3r | babilen: cheers mate i might try that because all my programming stuff are in here and i really dont want to set them up again |
| 11:17.37 | zeev_ | tremon: 1) if I have a suid root shell script - then there is no need for a staging area, right? 2) is it possible to incorporate this into GUI? (right-click on file -> menu with "send to external device") |
| 11:18.42 | tremon | 1) yes, you could do without a staging area. 2) probably, but it would depend on the gui you're using. I have little experience with any file browser though |
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| 11:18.54 | babilen | n00bst3r: I actually think that it would work without throwing too much of a tantrum. In fact I would be rather disappointed if it didn't, but then we don't support downgrades at all. The more important part is to remove those non-Debian packages from your system first. Let me know how you get along. |
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| 11:19.27 | n00bst3r | well i might try that in the evening because now i m at work... |
| 11:19.53 | n00bst3r | if i encounter problems i will write in here :) |
| 11:20.15 | babilen | n00bst3r: Fair enough, have fun! :) |
| 11:20.16 | zeev_ | tremon: thank you very much for the ideas! |
| 11:20.26 | n00bst3r | babilen: cheers again mate :) |
| 11:20.40 | babilen | n00bst3r: Have a pint on me later ;) |
| 11:21.07 | n00bst3r | haha well i'm not in uk right now ) maybe after 1, 1,5 years ;) but 500ml i will :) |
| 11:21.38 | n00bst3r | babilen: just one more unrelated question ? are you from west yorkshire :) |
| 11:21.44 | tremon | zeev_: in case of thunar (xfce file browser), you have "Configure custom actions" in the menu |
| 11:21.56 | babilen | n00bst3r: come and join us in #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:32.50 | medwards | random question: Is there a way to force a terminal to display square characters (1:1 height:width ratio)? |
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| 11:38.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got an issue. I need to remove my locales in /usr/share/locale |
| 11:39.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the packages? |
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| 11:39.54 | ksk | do an dpkg-reconfigure locales and remove non-needed locales |
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| 11:40.09 | nikitkoneedhelp | всем привет |
| 11:40.15 | ksk | locales do not come from a package |
| 11:40.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 11:40.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok um sigh i need more space on /usr |
| 11:40.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll fix it later |
| 11:41.17 | ksk | !tell nikitkoneedhelp about ru |
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| 11:41.41 | nikitkoneedhelp | oh |
| 11:41.44 | nikitkoneedhelp | sorry |
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| 12:09.18 | jhutchins | This is why partitioning is such a bad idea. |
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| 12:14.56 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to locally assign host names to IPs without editing /etc/hosts as root? |
| 12:15.37 | rdz | i'd like to visit a webpage through an SSH tunnel, but in order to get the correct page, i need to specify the correct hostname in the browser address field |
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| 12:19.41 | mechanicalduck | hi |
| 12:19.54 | mechanicalduck | I just found out that wheezy is the new stable now :/ |
| 12:20.26 | mechanicalduck | OK, there is a VServer on KVM basis running Debian Squeeze (old stable) on it, now I want to dist upgrade it to wheezy. |
| 12:20.39 | mechanicalduck | so I just change the sources.list and dist-upgrade and fine? |
| 12:20.49 | jhutchins | rdz: You don't have root privilege on this system? |
| 12:21.08 | jhutchins | squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:21.14 | jhutchins | 1squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:21.22 | jhutchins | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:21.25 | rdz | jhutchins, i actually have, but i'm scripting something while trying to not need root |
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| 12:21.39 | jhutchins | Grumble. |
| 12:21.51 | schuschu | happy sysadmin day |
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| 12:23.08 | jhutchins | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:23.25 | jhutchins | dpkg: Wake up! |
| 12:23.26 | dpkg | jhutchins: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 12:24.44 | jhutchins | rdz: You might be able to use the tunnel as a proxy, but I don't think you're going to get very far except as root. |
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| 12:25.20 | jhutchins | mechanicalduck: Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 12:25.29 | DoctorWedgeworth | schuschu, one day, one day, a non sysadmin is going to wish me a happy sysadmin day |
| 12:25.33 | DoctorWedgeworth | but happy sysadmin day to you too |
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| 12:25.50 | schuschu | <3 |
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| 12:33.16 | mechanicalduck | jhutchins: I should simulate this on development vm first, right? |
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| 12:42.41 | Tom01 | Why does Linux not look into the . directory, when starting a program from shell? Always using ./program is a bit annoying. |
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| 12:48.15 | jhutchins | mechanicalduck: Well yeah. |
| 12:48.52 | zmode | Tom01: security |
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| 12:56.28 | olivier_bK | hi |
| 12:56.37 | olivier_bK | i have a question about mysql |
| 12:56.43 | zmode | Tom01: you wouldn't want to run any executable from a random directory implicitly |
| 12:57.22 | Tom01 | from the current directory |
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| 12:57.27 | olivier_bK | when i execute mysqld_safe & for star mysql |
| 12:57.42 | zmode | Tom01: which can be any random directory |
| 12:59.45 | zmode | Tom01: if you forget to type './' often though and type 'myexecutable' instead, you can do './!!' right after to repeat that command with './' prepended |
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| 13:00.09 | Tom01 | I see. |
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| 13:00.45 | zmode | you /can/ change this behaviour, but you really don't want to |
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| 13:05.08 | Tom01 | ok |
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| 13:18.46 | XATRIX | Hi, how can i check if i have this option enabled in current kernel ? CONFIG_DM |
| 13:18.55 | XATRIX | What should i grep in procfs ? |
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| 13:20.08 | Touma | sysadmin day !! |
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| 13:24.47 | babilen | XATRIX: you can find the kernel configs in /boot/ -- Just run something like: grep CONFIG_DM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:25.06 | lokote_jones | Happy Sysadmin day to those of you it applies to. I am a programmer. =( I don't think I get a day. Sad. |
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| 13:27.28 | ubsafder | hello grub2 doesn't boot my board how do i revert to grub and stop any upgrade to grub2 |
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| 13:29.10 | themill | XATRIX: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:29.31 | j3k47 | Hi Everyone, if anyone would be so kind to answer a quick question -> Postfix: command to only show mail in hold queue. |
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| 13:31.37 | XATRIX | ok... thanks a lot |
| 13:31.44 | XATRIX | sounds if it works |
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| 13:32.11 | DammitJim | jhutchins, I don't... I live it through others in this channel ... |
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| 13:35.11 | jklaz | with a preconfigured disc or sth |
| 13:37.18 | daemonkeeper | !preseeding |
| 13:37.19 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 13:38.59 | Enich | Iv gotten a machine running with a headless wheezy on it. iv got a wireless card attached which sees networks when i do a iwlist scan.. and a wired connection which i connect to via ssh. I have installed wicd-cli and my problem is as follows. When i login via ssh, and then try to establish a connection via ssh, i am kicked of the wired connection.. i have made sure that the wireless network i am connecting to isnt the same class c network (to av |
| 13:39.00 | Enich | oide routing problems) and i have looked in syslog where i get some strange errors where it are saying that ntpd is deleting the eth0 card. If i pull out the ethernet cable and plug it in again, it gets a new ip and then runs, but the wifi isnt connected. I am rathr confused. Iv tried setting a static ip address but it seems kinda wonky. sometimes it gets that ip address, and other times it does not. |
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| 13:40.54 | Enich | It seems like it is loosing the ip address on the eth0 each time a try to connect to a wireless network. It might be the dhcp-client or something like that ? |
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| 13:49.52 | jhutchins | Enich: I'd try it without wicd. wicd is mostly useful when you'll be changing connections frequently, and for some reason can't use network manager. |
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| 13:51.11 | Enich | jhutchins, the situation is that the connections is changed frequently, and when you say network manager, do you mean nmcli ? |
| 13:51.13 | Enich | :) |
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| 13:53.43 | RxDx | please, I have a computer running HostAPD... How can I see whom is connected on my AccessPoint (AP)? |
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| 13:53.53 | RxDx | i think theres a file listing all clients |
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| 14:02.37 | msn | how do i retrieve all the records for a domain using dig? |
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| 14:07.50 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 14:08.11 | Nebukadneza | since i upgraded my server from oldstable to stable, klogd and sysklogd both are somehow missing oO |
| 14:08.28 | Nebukadneza | i cannot find them anywhere anymore ... are they superseded by a new logging system, or is there something broken here? |
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| 14:10.06 | bitonic | is there a quick way to have man pages to be 80 columns wide, even if the terminal is wider? |
| 14:10.23 | themill | Nebukadneza: rsyslog has been the default since lenny. |
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| 14:11.35 | Nebukadneza | mh, strange |
| 14:11.41 | vlt | bitonic: dirty way: screen and split horizontally |
| 14:11.56 | bitonic | vlt: yeah, the dirty way is to resize the terminal |
| 14:11.57 | themill | bitonic: MANWIDTH (man man) |
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| 14:12.04 | bitonic | themill: thanks! |
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| 14:12.22 | Nebukadneza | themill: thanks...! |
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| 14:12.44 | bitonic | themill: works like a charm |
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| 14:14.00 | rgr | has xvidcap been removed from the standard debian testing repos? If so what do you recommend? |
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| 14:20.43 | themill | rgr: I don't think it has ever been in Debian. |
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| 14:45.36 | ubsafder | can i block grub from any upgrade ? |
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| 14:46.11 | halt | Hi guys, I just installed one package called augtool, and started to play with it but there is something what I can't find in the documents, do you guys know it or know some related chanell forum or something like that. ( in case someone know it i have two record for the same config and want to merge them |
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| 14:46.41 | Arhur70 | hi |
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| 14:47.18 | Arhur70 | anyone know how to configure rsyslog don't forward anything it received from the network |
| 14:47.35 | halt | ubsafder: wrapper on the grub updater ? hold back the package |
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| 14:48.27 | ubsafder | hold back the package |
| 14:48.27 | halt | Arhur70: do you meen you want to have an rsyslog server ? |
| 14:49.15 | halt | ubsafder: that is easy you should just mark it hold in aptitude, or if you like apt |
| 14:49.29 | ubsafder | halt: grub2 doesn't boot my board i want to even stay on grub |
| 14:49.32 | Arhur70 | halt: I have two nodes, i want each node send maillog to other node. I used this config with sysklod from years, but with rsyslog I get looping |
| 14:49.49 | Arhur70 | I'm used to sysklogd that don't forward anything it received from the network |
| 14:50.18 | Arhur70 | unfortunately rsyslog acts different and loops |
| 14:50.48 | clue_h | like a ring buffer |
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| 14:52.13 | ubsafder | halt: thanks looks like what i need ; echo "grub hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:52.18 | halt | ubsafder: echo grub2 hold | dpkg --set-selection should do b |
| 14:52.25 | halt | yep just missed it |
| 14:52.48 | tyteen4a03 | hi, how do I set up permissions (and possibly vsftpd) so my non-root user can manage files anywhere in the system? |
| 14:52.58 | halt | Arhur70: this looping is qite intersing, what I will do setup log levels , |
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| 14:53.39 | Arhur70 | sysklogd actually has a different setting. If you enable that, it will NEVER forward anything it received from the network. This was considered far too restrictive for rsyslog (though it obviously had some uses). |
| 14:53.50 | vt0r | tyteen4a03, use sudo to grant root access to a non-root user. It's not at all recommended to use FTP if you don't have to. |
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| 14:54.34 | tyteen4a03 | vt0r, are there alternatives to FTP if I wish to remotely manage the server's files then? |
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| 14:56.42 | Mackwerk | Hey guys, I'm on Squeeze and I am getting some errors on locale after apt-get upgrade and I'm not sure how to fix this:o *** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 14:58.55 | halt | Mackwerk: "locate" |
| 14:59.53 | Mackwerk | dpkg-reconfigure locales fixed it, not sure what you mean with locate, halt? |
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| 15:01.02 | halt | Mackwerk: that show the corrently installed localte settings, so if it's missing from there, the you have to generate it |
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| 15:01.43 | vt0r | tyteen4a03, sftp |
| 15:01.45 | Mackwerk | Bit too cryptic for me I'm afraid, halt, but dpkg saved my ass :) Thanks for helping though |
| 15:02.07 | vt0r | But that doesn't allow easy operation with sudo, so just use SSH |
| 15:02.53 | tyteen4a03 | vt0r, I still want to use filezilla though |
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| 15:04.43 | vt0r | tyteen4a03, you can do that with SFTP, but you can't modify all files. I suppose the incredibly stupid insecure thing you want to do will need to be done as root via SFTP. |
| 15:04.49 | vt0r | Don't say you weren't warned. |
| 15:06.02 | tyteen4a03 | I prefer GUI then filezilla over directly editing on SSH, guess I'll just have to use temporary folders then move them over |
| 15:06.16 | mumpitze1 | tyteen4a03: if you user needs to manipulate files all over the system via ftp you are doing something very wrong. use ssh for access and maintenance and sftp to up and download files |
| 15:06.34 | mumpitze1 | and filezilla works great with sftp |
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| 15:06.46 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitze1, it's just me |
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| 15:06.58 | mumpitze1 | tyteen4a03: what kind of things do you need to manage remotely? |
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| 15:07.09 | mumpitze1 | most likely you haven't thought out your permissions properly |
| 15:07.14 | kristian-aalborg | cheers, just went from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 15:07.29 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitze1, I will be 9000km away from my server in about 7 days |
| 15:07.34 | tyteen4a03 | so everything |
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| 15:08.10 | mumpitze1 | that's what ssh is for. you can access it via VNC too if you have enough bandwith |
| 15:08.17 | kristian-aalborg | I want to get a never kernel, so that I can run netflix-desktop better (hopefully= |
| 15:08.18 | kristian-aalborg | ) |
| 15:08.34 | mumpitze1 | kristian-aalborg: that's unlikely. what part of the new kernel would improve netflix? |
| 15:08.43 | kristian-aalborg | I get this message, though: linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-486 : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed |
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| 15:09.06 | mumpitze1 | yes, you need new initramfs-tools too |
| 15:09.18 | kristian-aalborg | yes, therein lies the problem |
| 15:09.40 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitze1, I'm not sure how I would transfer files easily via ssh |
| 15:09.54 | ksk | tyteen4a03: use scp |
| 15:09.57 | kristian-aalborg | and to answer your question, when I googled the Netflix errors, the results all spoke of newer kernels |
| 15:10.14 | mumpitze1 | tyteen4a03: you start a ssh server which you should do in any way. it acts as a sftp server automatically. and in filezilla you can choose ftp or sftp for any account |
| 15:10.15 | vlt | tyteen4a03: Or rsync |
| 15:10.41 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitze1, I googled a bit and it seems like fz doesn't allow automatic su, which would mean I need to login as root |
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| 15:10.56 | mumpitze1 | kristian-aalborg: that is no answer. just cause e.g. ubuntu has newer kernels means any problems they have happen under newer kernel. what error is this that you think can be fixed? |
| 15:11.13 | kristian-aalborg | one sec, I'll reproduce |
| 15:11.30 | mumpitze1 | tyteen4a03: yes. which is a bad idea |
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| 15:12.15 | tyteen4a03 | mumpitze1, does this mean I'll have to ditch filezilla in order to manage root files the right way? |
| 15:12.40 | kristian-aalborg | mumpitze1, [ 324.568950] [drm:i915_reset] *ERROR* GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged! |
| 15:13.51 | kristian-aalborg | verbose: http://pastebin.com/1VxSyNbz |
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| 15:16.02 | Mackwerk | I'm trying to create an 8 disk raid0 array but i'm getting this message from mdadm:mdadm: failed to open /dev/xvdb after earlier success - aborting - Google doesn't really hold thhat much info on this message as far as I can tell, does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 15:17.01 | James_Epp | Hey guys. New to linux/experienced windows technician. Just wondering if there is a sort of "SFC" for debian |
| 15:17.08 | ksk | "8 disk raid0" nice :D |
| 15:17.19 | ksk | James_Epp: whats SFC? :> |
| 15:17.54 | tremon | Mackwerk: did you include xvdb twice on the command line? |
| 15:18.00 | James_Epp | system file checker. It basically goes through all system files to do an integrity check |
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| 15:18.11 | Mackwerk | tremon, damnit you're right, sorry for this |
| 15:18.13 | clue_h | fsck i think, although i get it mixed up |
| 15:18.22 | olivier_bK | if you use docker and you will want to learn rails you can download a container here with rails4 ruby2 nginx nodejs etc.. -> https://index.docker.io/u/zyriuse/b9703d617e19/ |
| 15:18.26 | tremon | James_Epp: there is debsums |
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| 15:19.08 | ksk | James_Epp: there are IDS like "aide" but imho its just too much work to use it |
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| 15:20.26 | tapout | I go into aptitude in 'visual' mode, hit 'g' and it says... Packages held in their current state (3) .. lists postgresql. When I float over each, it says "postgresql will not be upgraded to version ... to avoid breaking the following dependencies: and there are none listed |
| 15:20.48 | James_Epp | tremon: That looks great, thanks! |
| 15:21.01 | James_Epp | ksk: Thanks for the information, I've looked into it! |
| 15:21.48 | halt | do anyone use the augtools here ? |
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| 15:23.02 | Enich | the current version of nmcli i have installed is 0.9.4.0 to be able to use the nmcli to connect to a wireless network (with the connect parameter) i need 0.9.6. Is this package avaliable for armv7l |
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| 15:24.04 | Enich | and if it is, how would i go about finding it. i have tried to locate it via google, but i think i might be unaware of some key element in the whole process |
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| 15:26.14 | tremon | Enich: 0.9.6 is not currently in debian, is your system up to date? |
| 15:26.38 | kristian-aalborg | mumpitze1, any ideas? |
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| 15:30.12 | Enich | tremon, it is yeah. i was adviced earlier by jhutchins to use network manager instead of wicd-cli. But because i have to chance connections often, creating new configuration files pr network each time a new network connection is needed. |
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| 15:32.24 | tremon | ,v network-manager --arch armel |
| 15:32.25 | judd | Package: network-manager on armel -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.0-5; sid: 0.9.8.0-5 |
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| 15:33.12 | tremon | ,check-backport network-manager |
| 15:33.13 | judd | Backporting package network-manager in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 15:33.40 | tremon | Enich: you can compile a newer version from testing |
| 15:33.50 | tremon | !tell Enich about ssb |
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| 15:34.18 | Bombo | i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, worked ok, but gnome3 won't start, i get gdm3, type in my pw, then i get the following detailed error message: 'Oh no! Something has gone wrong.' |
| 15:35.05 | Enich | tremon, ssb ? |
| 15:35.34 | Bombo | then i found this in /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log : 'openConnection: connect: Connection refused, cannot connect to brltty at :0' |
| 15:36.11 | tremon | Enich: the bot has msg'ed you. simple sid backport |
| 15:36.29 | Bombo | i tried to dpkg-reconfigure all gnome packages, but it didn't help |
| 15:36.34 | Bombo | any ideas? |
| 15:36.46 | Enich | tremon, your a champ |
| 15:37.05 | berarma | Bombo: the problem is in your user configuration |
| 15:37.32 | Bombo | berarma: i tried to login with a new created user, same thing |
| 15:37.43 | berarma | the easiest way to fix it would be removing (backin up) your gnome configurations and start anew |
| 15:38.00 | berarma | Bombo: ah, that's weird |
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| 15:38.26 | Bombo | where is that? ~/.gnome or .config? |
| 15:39.23 | berarma | I think gnome3 uses ~/.conf |
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| 15:39.50 | berarma | but if you get the same thing with a newly created user the problem must be somewhere else |
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| 15:40.05 | Bombo | i'm trying to remove all gnome packages, is there a easy way? aptitude remove gnome ? --with-all-depends |
| 15:40.12 | berarma | maybe /etc |
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| 15:40.49 | berarma | I'd use aptitude, then purge all gnome package dependencies, being careful about what gets removed |
| 15:42.04 | berarma | although that would be close to reconfiguring all gnome packages |
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| 15:42.43 | berarma | nothing in your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 15:42.48 | berarma | ? |
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| 15:45.10 | Bombo | 'openConnection: connect: Connection refused, cannot connect to brltty at :0' in ~/.xsession-errors too |
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| 15:47.33 | bobi1024 | hi |
| 15:47.54 | bobi1024 | can I use with intel graphics the same feature as Nvidia - "Separate X Screens" ? |
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| 15:48.49 | berarma | Bombo: I think that's harmless |
| 15:49.57 | bobi1024 | I know it is a dumb question |
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| 15:50.07 | berarma | Bombo: you can try asking in the gnome channel for directions to debug the problem |
| 15:50.08 | berarma | !gnome |
| 15:50.09 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 15:51.02 | Bombo | berarma: the other entries look 'normal' |
| 15:51.34 | Bombo | berarma: no warning or errors |
| 15:51.37 | Bombo | ok |
| 15:52.02 | Bombo | i'm trying removeing it right now |
| 15:52.02 | emillo | hello all, anyone using stable+emacs? I got fonts artifacts, seems like a redraw problem |
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| 15:53.25 | Bombo | ok could have used the task-gnome-desktop |
| 15:53.45 | Bombo | doing it with aptitude for now |
| 15:54.09 | Bombo | - on gnome-main |
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| 15:55.58 | musca | bobi1024: it depends on the chip, but the driver can do randr 1.2 http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/ |
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| 15:56.43 | BCMM | approximately speaking, how small can you make a system with debootstrap? |
| 15:56.52 | virfour | how can fullscreen applications like megaglest be minimized? (in this case under xfce?) |
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| 15:58.17 | bobi1024 | the chip is Intel HD4000 graphics which comes with Intel Core i3-3225 CPU |
| 15:58.29 | bobi1024 | I've searched all over the net |
| 15:58.38 | bobi1024 | and every post says it is impossible |
| 15:59.08 | bobi1024 | I'm seraching for contacts to write to intel linux video devs directly |
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| 16:04.01 | mumpitze1 | kristian-aalborg: which videochip is this? ivy or haswell? |
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| 16:04.59 | mumpitze1 | kristian-aalborg: and check https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/collecting-gpu-state-hangs-0 and follow its lead to get extended error message maybe |
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| 16:05.54 | musca | bobi1024: show the output of xrandr in http://paste.debian.net , please. |
| 16:06.15 | kristian-aalborg | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 16:06.56 | p8m | bobi1024: What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:09.49 | bobi1024 | musca: the xrander is setuped correctly http://paste.debian.net/18787/ |
| 16:10.01 | bobi1024 | *xrandr |
| 16:10.40 | bobi1024 | p8m: I'm trying to achive with intel graphics the same result as Nvidia - "Separate X Screens" |
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| 16:10.45 | bobi1024 | under debian :) |
| 16:11.47 | p8m | bobi1024: What are you trying to achieve? Having multiple monitors? |
| 16:12.21 | bobi1024 | p8m: I'm trying to achive separe X Screen on each of the two monitors |
| 16:12.23 | musca | bobi1024: i see two different resolutions for HDMI1 and HDMI2, that is called "separate" |
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| 16:12.28 | bobi1024 | no |
| 16:12.43 | bobi1024 | separate X Screen means |
| 16:12.53 | bobi1024 | on HDMI1 - DISPLAY 0:0 |
| 16:13.03 | bobi1024 | on HDMI2 - DISPLAY 0:1 |
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| 16:13.30 | p8m | bobi1024: Why do you need separate x screens? Do you want the two xservers to use the same input devices? |
| 16:13.31 | bobi1024 | like two separate X Screen sessions |
| 16:13.40 | bobi1024 | yes |
| 16:13.54 | bobi1024 | Nvidia video has this option |
| 16:14.15 | bobi1024 | Intel may be laking it |
| 16:14.21 | bobi1024 | I'm affraid |
| 16:14.36 | p8m | bobi1024: Why don't you want one x server driving both monitors? |
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| 16:15.21 | bobi1024 | p8m: because there are varios problems with the positioning and behaviour of the app windows |
| 16:15.28 | bobi1024 | e.g. |
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| 16:15.47 | bobi1024 | on my TV wihich is HDMI2 I'm runing XBMC |
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| 16:15.55 | tonph | hey guys, I m just trying to run juniper netconnect with my wheezy 64 bit debian... can some one help ? |
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| 16:16.12 | p8m | bobi1024: That sounds like a window manager/desktop environment problem. What are you using? |
| 16:16.19 | tonph | it crashes out , tried with java7 and java64 |
| 16:16.42 | Aliekzhi | hi, is there something to configure about "TUN" on a client machine on debian, when trying to connect to an openVPN server ? |
| 16:16.49 | bobi1024 | p8m: MATE 1.6 GDE and Marco as wm |
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| 16:16.59 | bobi1024 | no composite or what ever |
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| 16:17.03 | Bombo | ok gnome seems to be gone (dpkg -l |grep gnome) |
| 16:17.21 | lazors | bobi1024: Did you try switching XBMC to full-window mode instead of Fullscreen? |
| 16:17.32 | musca | heh, mate on debian ... |
| 16:17.41 | kristian-aalborg | I got it working (ish) |
| 16:17.52 | Bombo | now reinstalling with aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
| 16:18.02 | kristian-aalborg | my libdrm files were out of date |
| 16:18.07 | Aliekzhi | how to enable tun module on a debian kernel ? |
| 16:18.10 | bobi1024 | lazors: yeah, now I;m using wmctrl script just to achieve the desired effect |
| 16:18.17 | bobi1024 | the XBMC is working |
| 16:18.23 | bobi1024 | but there other apps |
| 16:18.30 | kristian-aalborg | so I had to purge and reinstall... this has been the case with a lot of stuff after the update to wheezy |
| 16:18.45 | bobi1024 | like Skype e.g. which do not start on the primary monitor |
| 16:18.51 | tonph | any pointers ? |
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| 16:19.55 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: the default debian kernel and network interfaces should support tun |
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| 16:20.19 | musca | tonph: so you got a jar file, or what? |
| 16:20.25 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:you just have to set the right config in the openvp client |
| 16:20.44 | tonph | noh.. |
| 16:20.45 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: oh and openvpn client should be started like superuser |
| 16:21.00 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:so the tun interface could be uped |
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| 16:21.04 | tonph | i just have java version "1.6.0_26" |
| 16:21.05 | tonph | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03) |
| 16:21.05 | tonph | Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1-b02, mixed mode) |
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| 16:22.57 | tonph | so what is the procedure to make the netconnect works, after logging and run netconnect, the applet is not open and its now showing plugin not install after i tweak widly on my system. |
| 16:23.06 | bobi1024 | tonph: make suer you are using the Oracle java not the JDK |
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| 16:23.51 | onethfour | when i do "git status" it is pretty and colorful, when i do "git status | less" it loses all colors, anyway to keep colors when piping? |
| 16:23.54 | bobi1024 | musca: why mate on debian is funny |
| 16:24.24 | bobi1024 | it does not depend on the GDM |
| 16:24.43 | bobi1024 | because I've used the same gdm with Nvidia |
| 16:24.53 | bobi1024 | no problems there |
| 16:25.00 | tonph | does it has some issue with 64 bit debian and juniper |
| 16:25.03 | tonph | ? |
| 16:25.21 | musca | bobi1024: it's me, i'm not interested in mate. |
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| 16:25.41 | bobi1024 | musca: mate is irrelevant in this case |
| 16:25.54 | bobi1024 | musca: it is the intel linux drivers that matters |
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| 16:27.09 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, well I found the answer, only had to modprobe tun :) but don't know how debian behave, will it load tun on next reboot now ? |
| 16:28.09 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: I'll try everything |
| 16:28.16 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: could you send me the link |
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| 16:28.40 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:oh sorry |
| 16:28.52 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:I've missunderstood you |
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| 16:30.32 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: if the tun is not in the default kernel modulse |
| 16:30.50 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: you should add it to the modprobe |
| 16:31.04 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: there is no need to restart the os to test the module |
| 16:31.09 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, hum, strange, the openVPN client did a modprobe tun, lsmode shows tun, but iconfig only shows eth0 and lo |
| 16:31.14 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: you can do: insmod tun |
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| 16:31.50 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: how are starting the openvpn client ? |
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| 16:32.24 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: you should have some config |
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| 16:32.45 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, I used the following configs http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-538662.html |
| 16:32.55 | Aliekzhi | (server is on gentoo that's why it's a gentoo doc :)) |
| 16:33.01 | Miesco | How come when I do sudo poweroff, poweroff isn't in my path? |
| 16:33.12 | Miesco | Does this mean my normal user should have /sbin in its path? |
| 16:33.35 | Miesco | in $PATH |
| 16:34.06 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: but that is a openvpn server, not client |
| 16:34.20 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, there is also the config of the client on that page |
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| 16:34.55 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, http://bpaste.net/show/w72ccZaTPO6zwbwVSzZK/ |
| 16:35.55 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, sorry I have been stupid, forgot to restart openvpn on the client, now tun0 appears |
| 16:36.10 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:where is this client.conf places exactly and how are you starting the openvpn client with this client.conf |
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| 16:36.34 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:every one is a little stupid by time to time |
| 16:37.17 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, client.confg : http://bpaste.net/show/w72ccZaTPO6zwbwVSzZK/ |
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| 16:37.44 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, the ifconfig of both machines : http://bpaste.net/show/tI8WPu11zELsZ0RXBoOp/ |
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| 16:37.58 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, is that normal the ip of tun0 aren't the same values on client and server ? |
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| 16:39.38 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, I can ping the client on 10.8.0.6 :) |
| 16:39.42 | Aliekzhi | it answers :) |
| 16:39.57 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: great success :) |
| 16:40.16 | Aliekzhi | now how will applications know they must use that device ? |
| 16:40.37 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: what applications |
| 16:40.44 | tremon | Miesco: it's a sudo configure option, secure_path |
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| 16:41.02 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, wine :D, trying to play game as "LAN" but we are connecting via internet, that's the idea ^^ |
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| 16:41.43 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, I heard it was possible to do that with openVPN |
| 16:41.57 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:there should be no problem if the network range on the openvps server is correct |
| 16:42.12 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi:the apps should use this route by default |
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| 16:43.34 | bobi1024 | Aliekzhi: I wish you success with openvpn |
| 16:43.50 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, is it normal ? client is "inet adr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5" but server is "inet 10.8.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 destination 10.8.0.2" |
| 16:43.52 | bobi1024 | but i should go solve my problem with the X Server and Intel |
| 16:43.53 | bobi1024 | :) |
| 16:44.16 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, oh sorry, didn't want to take too much of your time, I'll find some help there :) |
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| 16:44.26 | Aliekzhi | bobi1024, thx for your help :) |
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| 16:56.04 | ParadoxG | Has anyone build dartvm, or started working on a package for it? |
| 16:56.09 | raptor67782 | hello |
| 16:56.46 | ParadoxG | For the dart language that is: http://www.dartlang.org/ |
| 16:56.54 | raptor67782 | I would like to ask how to know the dependencies needed if I need to install gcc on a give platforms, since I need to install manually with debs |
| 16:58.41 | bullgard4 | raptor67782: Have a look at packages.debian.org |
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| 16:58.51 | ctmjr | raptor67782, apt-cache depends package-name |
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| 17:04.43 | raptor67782 | yeah ok, but the other depends depends on other packages |
| 17:04.45 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.46 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.04 | raptor67782 | so it shall interacttively redone depending on Depends what it says= |
| 17:05.07 | raptor67782 | ?` |
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| 17:07.21 | raptor67782 | it would be for an offline dpkg -i *.deb (depending on what I need or apt-get install after storing to /var/ into archives...)`? |
| 17:07.54 | raptor67782 | I did that already, but I dont reember. The debroot might be an alternative |
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| 17:15.51 | pythonsnake | 800 MHz Marvell 88F6192 Kirkwood CPU and 128 MB of RAM |
| 17:15.58 | pythonsnake | Would it work with Debian? |
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| 17:26.29 | mumpitze1 | pythonsnake: yes these plug computer work with debian. but they are often bad hardware: they have a history of hot and failing powersupplies |
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| 17:27.18 | pythonsnake | mumpitze1: it's actually a nas |
| 17:27.22 | Bombo | hm gnome won't work... |
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| 17:27.46 | pythonsnake | http://www.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/network-storage/business/blackarmor-nas-110/ mumpitze1 |
| 17:27.50 | pythonsnake | still bad? :( |
| 17:27.51 | Bombo | i got lxde and xfce and even fluxbox to work now, but gnome refuses to work |
| 17:28.54 | mumpitze1 | pythonsnake: haven't heard anything bad from those. |
| 17:28.55 | Bombo | i just get 'openConnection: connect: Connection refused, cannot connect to brltty at :0' |
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| 17:29.09 | mumpitze1 | pythonsnake: however, the kirkwood is slow. so be prepared |
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| 17:30.30 | Aliekzhi | openvpn server and client running, can ping each other, tried with tun and tap devices but making a test like launching a game in "LAN" mode doesn't work |
| 17:30.37 | Aliekzhi | what should block ? |
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| 17:32.29 | doublep | hi. why is it possible to install several gcc versions on a single system, but clang packages conflict with each other? are there fundamental differences or is clang just deemed "not that important"? |
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| 17:33.43 | pythonsnake | mumpitze1: well, |
| 17:33.57 | pythonsnake | i just wanna use it for media streaming, storage, torrenting |
| 17:34.07 | pythonsnake | i guess it's ok? |
| 17:34.13 | raptor67782 | ok so here I can get the list of packages, ... http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 17:34.39 | raptor67782 | is there maybe a simple bash way to calculate which DEBs might be required for an offline dpkg -i install? |
| 17:34.49 | raptor67782 | it is possible but complicated |
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| 17:35.30 | raptor67782 | (with BASH which is mostly everywhere) |
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| 17:39.23 | ProChild | hi |
| 17:39.32 | ProChild | the auto command dosnt work on my debian |
| 17:39.50 | ProChild | i am trying to setup dhcp on my debian comp |
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| 17:40.08 | ProChild | and i have it as a vm and want to bridge it directly to the ethernet physical |
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| 17:40.58 | jhutchins | !interfaces |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 17:41.12 | jhutchins | ProChild: Are you running wheezy (stable 7.1)? |
| 17:41.19 | ProChild | how do i check that |
| 17:41.23 | ProChild | its the kali linux |
| 17:41.55 | jhutchins | ProChild: Then we can't help you. |
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| 17:42.19 | jhutchins | !kali |
| 17:42.19 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 17:42.21 | ProChild | its still a debian isnt it ? |
| 17:42.29 | ProChild | ohh |
| 17:42.40 | jhutchins | ProChild: We don't know how they might have changed network configuration. |
| 17:42.57 | jhutchins | ProChild: Since it's a network testing tool they very well may have. |
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| 17:46.07 | raptor67782 | I know how I can install orfffline |
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| 17:46.36 | raptor67782 | so I do download an old cdimage instrlaler. then I use qemu and install it to hda.img from cdrom |
| 17:46.54 | raptor67782 | and then I can instlal what I want, and then track all the debs that have been installed. |
| 17:47.35 | raptor67782 | then, I do code into the C language, and program that will get from a source archive all the debs, based on this list of debs of my virtual qemu machine. |
| 17:47.50 | raptor67782 | Very Easy but long |
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| 17:48.57 | raptor67782 | then I get a folder of needed debs, and on the real machine, I do dpkg scanimage and create a deb pointing to a folder (using deb into soruces.list) |
| 17:49.01 | raptor67782 | and then : |
| 17:49.15 | raptor67782 | conventional apt-get ... and I get all I desisred. |
| 17:49.19 | raptor67782 | problem... very long |
| 17:49.20 | mumpitze1 | raptor67782: why not use apt-zip? |
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| 17:49.57 | raptor67782 | apt-zip is not into the old-stable |
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| 17:50.02 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.21 | mumpitze1 | ,v apt-zip |
| 17:51.22 | judd | Package: apt-zip on i386 -- jessie: 0.18; sid: 0.18; squeeze: 0.18; wheezy: 0.18 |
| 17:51.33 | mumpitze1 | looks very much available in squeeze to me |
| 17:54.23 | raptor67782 | if older, not always. So might be working not on all distros |
| 17:54.55 | mumpitze1 | it does work on all and it is available on all |
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| 17:58.18 | ProChild | okay in linux can i setup a bridged network on my vms |
| 17:58.37 | ProChild | and then ..say ..it gets the itnernet service and i coudl stop the internet service from the host to the vm |
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| 17:58.44 | ProChild | but stil be part of the network |
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| 17:58.58 | pankaj | hi guys |
| 17:59.24 | pankaj | anybody there |
| 17:59.49 | mumpitze1 | ProChild: we don't do kali support |
| 18:00.00 | mumpitze1 | and we don't do linux support either btw. we only do debian support |
| 18:00.02 | ProChild | not kali just normal any linux |
| 18:00.12 | ProChild | i mean is it possible to do it on a bridged network with a debian |
| 18:00.21 | ProChild | ahh l |
| 18:00.32 | mumpitze1 | ProChild: please don't. we won't support you until you run debian. |
| 18:00.47 | ProChild | by we you mean you and a few selected 00 |
| 18:00.54 | mumpitze1 | no. this is channel policy. |
| 18:00.57 | mumpitze1 | !based on debian |
| 18:00.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:00.58 | ProChild | anyways bye bye |
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| 18:01.07 | ProChild | i understand |
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| 18:01.47 | pankaj | can i ask something |
| 18:01.49 | pankaj | ? |
| 18:02.12 | mumpitze1 | you can ask anything you want. don't ask if you can ask in the future please |
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| 18:02.44 | pankaj | i cant set up internet in debian |
| 18:03.02 | pankaj | anybody , please help |
| 18:03.15 | mumpitze1 | !details |
| 18:03.15 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 18:03.41 | mumpitze1 | e.g. how do you want to access the internet, with what hardware, what goes wrong, etc |
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| 18:04.18 | pankaj | i want to connect to internet via PPPOE connection(i have a common community router,only a wire comes from my window and enter in my CPU ports) i used to do setting in ubuntu 12.10 using a text based program in terminal using "sudo pppoeconf" . ihave also tried DSL connecton tab in internet setting options. but unsuccessful. |
| 18:04.32 | pankaj | please help! |
| 18:04.51 | mumpitze1 | ,file pppoeconf |
| 18:04.55 | judd | Search for pppoeconf in wheezy/i386: pppoeconf: usr/sbin/pppoeconf, usr/share/menu/pppoeconf |
| 18:05.08 | mumpitze1 | that still exists in debian, and should work as well. have you tried it? |
| 18:05.31 | pankaj | which one? |
| 18:05.38 | mumpitze1 | pppoeconf |
| 18:06.03 | pankaj | u mean sudo commands work in debian as well |
| 18:06.05 | mumpitze1 | can you be on the internet while you try to get your debian working? |
| 18:06.27 | pankaj | no |
| 18:06.34 | mumpitze1 | depends. if you set a root password when installing, then you need to use "su", if you haven't, you need to use "sudo" |
| 18:06.45 | onethfour | i tried using pastebinit and i'm getting the same url several times in a row: |
| 18:06.45 | onethfour | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:06.50 | pankaj | i have only one pc |
| 18:07.09 | mumpitze1 | pankaj: under what OS are you right now? |
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| 18:07.32 | pankaj | winXP dual booted with debian |
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| 18:07.50 | mumpitze1 | and you installed debian with what ISO? |
| 18:08.11 | mumpitze1 | onethfour: what is the full commandline and output of your pastebinit command? |
| 18:08.14 | pankaj | yes |
| 18:08.25 | mumpitze1 | pankaj: which one of the many available ISOs did you use? |
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| 18:08.56 | pankaj | debian7 gnome |
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| 18:09.25 | pankaj | mumpitze1 : ok then i will type " su pppoeconf" in terminal |
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| 18:09.38 | pankaj | will it do the trick |
| 18:09.55 | mumpitze1 | pankaj: so you used CD1 which is about 700MB or so? can you put the output of "ipconfig" under windows XP to a pastebin like paste.debian.net? |
| 18:10.26 | mumpitze1 | running pppoeconf will only work if you have it installed. install it via "apt-get install pppoeconf ppp" first. it should be on the CD you installed debian from |
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| 18:11.51 | pankaj | it must have installed by default |
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| 18:14.30 | mumpitze1 | pankaj: not it doesn't have to. it might but I doubt it |
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| 18:14.34 | pankaj | <mumpitze1> |
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| 18:15.01 | mumpitze1 | but I know it's on your CD1 gnome, pppoeconf and ppp both. so install them |
| 18:15.11 | pankaj | <mumpitze1> but i selected every thing for installation |
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| 18:15.44 | pankaj | <mumpitze1> also i did it using USB key not CD |
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| 18:17.47 | pankaj | <mumpitze1> thank u |
| 18:18.16 | Alex81 | gnome doesn't open. startx say fatal module nvidia not found. it used to work. help |
| 18:18.56 | mumpitze1 | Alex81: how did you install your nvidia drivers? |
| 18:19.19 | mumpitze1 | Alex81: and did you lately upgrade you kernel? |
| 18:19.22 | Alex81 | long ago, iirc a module |
| 18:19.46 | mumpitze1 | that's not an answer to my question, either one |
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| 18:19.59 | Alex81 | aptget dist-upgraded it now |
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| 18:20.33 | mumpitze1 | so you didn't install it the debian way which is why it now breaks. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 18:20.43 | mumpitze1 | this might work or not I dunno since you installed the old drivers badly |
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| 18:21.50 | Alex81 | i folowed the website instructions. i just dont remember, and have little internet now that i dont have fui |
| 18:21.58 | Alex81 | gui |
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| 18:23.03 | mumpitze1 | you don't need a gui to install it. run the /msg command I gave you |
| 18:23.27 | Alex81 | k. im on testing btw |
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| 18:24.50 | rideh | postgis 2.0 not in backports for wheezy, everything else makes mention of ubuntu packages, want to avoid that but our software is about to launch and rather be on the new major version release of postgis. anyone been down this road before? |
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| 18:27.35 | Alex81 | mumpitze1: are your instructions going to move my sys to the nouveau? |
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| 18:27.44 | mumpitze1 | no. |
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| 18:33.50 | Alex81 | mumpitze1: i can't do that cause aptotude want to remove 67 packages |
| 18:35.28 | mumpitze1 | do what? please paste the aptitude command and its full output into a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 18:35.59 | Alex81 | im using the phone for irx |
| 18:36.02 | Alex81 | irc |
| 18:36.22 | Alex81 | cant paste |
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| 18:36.28 | mumpitze1 | you can |
| 18:36.33 | midacts | is there a way to add a line to 'crontab -e' in a bash script? ive also tried adding a line to '/var/spool/cron/crontab/root' but it will not allow me to create that file in a script |
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| 18:36.48 | mumpitze1 | your debian PC has internet or aptitude wouldn't work. since it has internet you can paste frm it |
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| 18:37.40 | Alex81 | maybe u can |
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| 18:39.59 | Alex81 | i cant |
| 18:40.17 | Th0masR0ss | !tell Alex81 about pastebinit |
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| 18:44.15 | pythonsnake | should I use nfs or cifs or ftp? |
| 18:44.42 | pythonsnake | (android and windows clients) |
| 18:45.03 | mumpitze1 | for what? |
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| 18:46.50 | pythonsnake | for mounting the drive over network |
| 18:47.01 | pythonsnake | and access/write on it? |
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| 18:49.48 | Alex81 | i m not going to use aptitude |
| 18:50.11 | Alex81 | it want to remove stuff |
| 18:50.19 | blubberdiblub | pythonsnake, for windows clients, samba/cifs is probably your best bet |
| 18:50.21 | chris429 | I installed debian without a desktop environment, and then installed xfce4, how can i get the login screen to show when my computer starts up? |
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| 18:50.30 | Alex81 | so i m not going to use it |
| 18:50.42 | mumpitze1 | chris429: install a displaymanager |
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| 18:51.44 | chris429 | mumpitze1: apt-get install x-display-manager? |
| 18:52.13 | mumpitze1 | no. apt-cache search display manager. one of those. by default xfce should use xdm I think,but not sure |
| 18:52.31 | mumpitze1 | you probably should use something like xdm, lightdm or slim |
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| 18:52.51 | chris429 | ah cool, thanks mumpitze1 |
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| 18:54.29 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 18:54.57 | tobiasBora | I'd like to create a deb package, so I've edited all files debian/control etc... |
| 18:55.45 | tobiasBora | and put in /etc/.... /usr/bin/... all the files, but when I run debuild -us -uc I don't see all my files ! |
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| 18:57.38 | tapout | how do you identify 3rd party packages that may be installed? |
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| 19:09.05 | _no0b_ | Q |
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| 19:12.11 | pythonsnake | blubberdiblub: thanks |
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| 19:24.31 | lokote_jones | Does Debian support STEAM yet, without a lot of hulla-ba-loo? |
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| 19:25.07 | tobiasBora | tapout: me ? |
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| 19:28.41 | mumpitze1 | lokote_jones: debian doesn't support steam at all. it's non-free software. but there have been people successful running it under debian. probably testing or unstable tho |
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| 19:29.54 | lokote_jones | mumpitze1: Saw an old-ish post about supporting it in unstable. Was wondering if there had been any change. I appreciate it. Thanks. |
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| 19:36.09 | helo | i'm trying to cross-compile for a debian-armhf environment using a debian sid chroot |
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| 19:37.46 | helo | if i build inside the debian-armhf environment (on the arm cpu), it links to /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 and works. but if i cross-compile, it links to /lib/ld-linux.so.3 and it just says "No such file or directory" |
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| 19:47.29 | fosap2 | Hi, I'd like to *install* a qwerty keyboard layout. Which package is that in? All i find is how to configure it. |
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| 19:49.09 | zykotick9 | fosap2: you are aware, that qwerty is the default NA layout right? i'm sure most of the keyboard layouts are installed by default - just select the one you want to use. |
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| 19:50.01 | fosap2 | zykotick9: oh, sorry. I'm on the wrong layout. I meant qwertz. |
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| 19:53.46 | fosap2 | had to install console-data |
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| 20:21.59 | tman | how can I search with aptitude using both search terms, e.g.: "aptitude search foo AND bar" (instead of OR). man {aptitude,apt-get} didn't have any info on this |
| 20:22.23 | Nik05 | aptitude search 'foo bar' |
| 20:22.39 | tman | nice, thanks. |
| 20:23.42 | Nik05 | tman http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 20:23.49 | rmad | i've dual booted my system with Win 7. Now if I format my Windows 7, can I just repair grub and get back my debian 7 to its present stage? |
| 20:24.03 | tman | ty for the link |
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| 20:24.18 | Nik05 | rmad if you dont fuck with the debian partitions |
| 20:24.47 | Nik05 | tman ?and(foo, bar) or 'foo bar' |
| 20:25.22 | rmad | nik05, no i wouldn't touch them |
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| 20:25.31 | Nik05 | then it should work |
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| 20:25.59 | rmad | how do i go about it? just start installing normally? |
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| 20:28.00 | russw | I've got a postfix null client set up and working, with the purpose being to send system logs (eg: fail2ban reports) to my internet mail address. However, I'm having a lot of trouble redirecting mail externally. How do you do this? |
| 20:28.22 | russw | I've been trying to set an alias in /etc/aliases, but it doesn't work. Mails to root always seem to go out to "root@mydomain.com" no matter what I do. |
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| 20:32.17 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.19 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:32.21 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:32.25 | Gheyboy_Advance | Gay is me |
| 20:32.27 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.27 | Th0masR0ss | !ops |
| 20:32.27 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 20:32.29 | Gheyboy_Advance | I am gay |
| 20:32.31 | Gheyboy_Advance | Super gay |
| 20:32.33 | Gheyboy_Advance | Very gay |
| 20:32.35 | Gheyboy_Advance | Quite gay |
| 20:32.36 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.38 | Gheyboy_Advance | Gay |
| 20:32.40 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.41 | Th0masR0ss | !ops ... |
| 20:32.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: th0masr0ss complains about: ... |
| 20:32.45 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay. |
| 20:32.46 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:32.49 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.51 | Gheyboy_Advance | Very gay |
| 20:32.53 | Gheyboy_Advance | Gay |
| 20:32.55 | Gheyboy_Advance | Basically, gay |
| 20:32.57 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:32.59 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:33.01 | Gheyboy_Advance | Pretty gay |
| 20:33.03 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:33.05 | Gheyboy_Advance | Super gay |
| 20:33.07 | Gheyboy_Advance | Pretty gay |
| 20:33.09 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm a gay boy |
| 20:33.10 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay boy advanced |
| 20:33.15 | Gheyboy_Advance | is what I am |
| 20:33.16 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:33.18 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm quite gay |
| 20:33.20 | Gheyboy_Advance | Very gay |
| 20:33.23 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:33.24 | Th0masR0ss | Stop |
| 20:33.25 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:33.27 | Gheyboy_Advance | is me |
| 20:33.29 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm a gay |
| 20:33.31 | Gheyboy_Advance | Gay is I |
| 20:33.33 | Gheyboy_Advance | I am the gayu |
| 20:33.35 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
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| 20:33.36 | Gheyboy_Advance | the gay is me |
| 20:33.38 | Gheyboy_Advance | I like dick |
| 20:33.40 | Gheyboy_Advance | I like lots of fick |
| 20:33.42 | Gheyboy_Advance | fick |
| 20:33.46 | Gheyboy_Advance | dick |
| 20:33.48 | Gheyboy_Advance | why? |
| 20:33.50 | Gheyboy_Advance | Because I am gay |
| 20:33.52 | Gheyboy_Advance | Super gay |
| 20:33.53 | yano | Gheyboy_Advance: this is not appropriate for this channel |
| 20:33.54 | Gheyboy_Advance | Very gay |
| 20:33.56 | McLive | oO |
| 20:33.56 | Gheyboy_Advance | Mega gay |
| 20:33.58 | Gheyboy_Advance | ghey |
| 20:34.00 | Gheyboy_Advance | Ghey to the max |
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| 20:34.02 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:34.04 | Gheyboy_Advance | Gay |
| 20:34.06 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
| 20:34.12 | Gheyboy_Advance | y |
| 20:34.16 | Gheyboy_Advance | g |
| 20:34.18 | Gheyboy_Advance | ya |
| 20:34.21 | Gheyboy_Advance | y |
| 20:34.23 | Gheyboy_Advance | g |
| 20:34.24 | onethfour | gay people go to hell don't you know |
| 20:34.24 | Gheyboy_Advance | ay |
| 20:34.27 | Gheyboy_Advance | Dicks |
| 20:34.29 | Gheyboy_Advance | Rape! |
| 20:34.31 | Gheyboy_Advance | I'm gay |
| 20:34.33 | Gheyboy_Advance | I am gay |
| 20:34.35 | Gheyboy_Advance | Very gay |
| 20:34.37 | Gheyboy_Advance | Pretty gay |
| 20:34.39 | Gheyboy_Advance | Super ga y |
| 20:34.41 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay |
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| 20:34.45 | Gheyboy_Advance | gay every day |
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| 20:35.16 | Th0masR0ss | Thanks |
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| 20:38.01 | SmashingX | wtf happened |
| 20:38.25 | SmashingX | california stupid |
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| 20:39.28 | SmashingX | to pass a tar file over ssh I do this: ssh remote-host 'tar -zxvf - directory/' | tar zxvf - |
| 20:39.31 | SmashingX | and it works fine |
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| 20:39.46 | SmashingX | but If I want to copy the .tar.gz file without extracting it I can't |
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| 20:40.22 | SmashingX | ssh remote-host 'tar -zxvf - directory/' | cp - . |
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| 20:40.36 | SmashingX | it says cp:cannot stat '-': no such file |
| 20:40.44 | SmashingX | any help on this please? |
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| 20:42.28 | cthuluh | well, cp doesn't read stdin |
| 20:42.44 | cthuluh | I think you want | tar xzf - |
| 20:42.59 | SmashingX | that's what I did |
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| 20:43.09 | SmashingX | in my first comment |
| 20:43.42 | RichiH | Th0masR0ss: thanks |
| 20:43.55 | Th0masR0ss | RichiH: hm? |
| 20:44.03 | RichiH | for the !ops |
| 20:44.10 | Th0masR0ss | oh |
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| 20:45.44 | cthuluh | SmashingX: ah, I hadn't backlogged that far; just use | cat > archive.tgz |
| 20:46.11 | SmashingX | mhh |
| 20:46.13 | SmashingX | cat? |
| 20:46.16 | SmashingX | interesting |
| 20:46.26 | zinx | cat abuse |
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| 20:47.35 | SmashingX | for some reason didn't work |
| 20:47.47 | cthuluh | for some reason? |
| 20:47.55 | SmashingX | yes |
| 20:48.04 | cthuluh | zinx is right, you don't need cat(1) here, but... just wanted to make sure |
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| 20:48.09 | SmashingX | the resulting file is very small and when I want to extract it it shows an error |
| 20:48.10 | streulma | hello what is errors=remount-ro in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:49.15 | SmashingX | gzip: stdin : not in gzip format |
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| 20:49.23 | SmashingX | tha'ts the error that it shows |
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| 20:49.51 | streulma | SmashingX: tar -xvf file.tar.gz |
| 20:50.12 | streulma | SmashingX: not tar -xzvf |
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| 20:50.46 | SmashingX | same thing |
| 20:51.05 | streulma | SmashingX: gunzip filename ? |
| 20:51.17 | SmashingX | rm test.tar.gz |
| 20:51.20 | SmashingX | sorry |
| 20:51.23 | SmashingX | test.tar.gz |
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| 20:52.47 | SmashingX | ssh remote-host 'tar -xvf test.tar.gz directory/' | cat > test.tar.gz |
| 20:52.52 | SmashingX | that's what I did |
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| 20:53.08 | streulma | then SmashingX: gunzip test.tar.gz |
| 20:53.27 | SmashingX | like I imagine |
| 20:53.29 | SmashingX | an error |
| 20:53.35 | SmashingX | not in gzip format |
| 20:53.37 | zinx | someone pass me the eyebleach |
| 20:54.02 | SmashingX | but tar should work fine |
| 20:54.14 | SmashingX | I mean I was doing -zcvf which z stands for gzip |
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| 20:54.31 | zinx | ssh foo 'tar -cz dir/' > file.tar.gz, done |
| 20:55.45 | SmashingX | I think this one is right |
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| 20:56.16 | SmashingX | yep |
| 20:56.27 | SmashingX | zinx! why didn't you said that before! |
| 20:56.33 | SmashingX | zinx++ |
| 20:56.39 | zinx | i wanted to see what crazy crap you guys came up with |
| 20:56.55 | SmashingX | I'm newbie of course I was gonna come with crazy crap |
| 20:57.01 | SmashingX | what else did you expect? |
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| 20:58.35 | anchorspark | ive installed wheezy on a haswell based system. The gigabit ethernet is not working. lspci of course lists it being there. Im wondering if wheezy doesnt have the driver for the latest batch of giga adapters, or I did something wrong |
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| 20:59.48 | zinx | anchorspark: some NICs require firmware that's in a separate package (potentially in non-free or contrib) |
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| 21:01.05 | anchorspark | ah, then I wonder what package it may be in |
| 21:01.32 | anchorspark | i assumed that it was supported by the e1000e driver, but ill poke around |
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| 21:02.31 | anchorspark | intel has a download on their site as well. IF I have to ill go that route |
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| 21:10.22 | jhutchins | !search |
| 21:10.22 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 21:11.37 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 21:11.38 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 21:12.06 | jhutchins | anchorspark: That oughta get you what you need. |
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| 21:19.54 | jhutchins | didn't mean to kill the channel. |
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| 21:24.49 | SmashingX | what tool is used for remote to remote copy? |
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| 21:25.34 | jhutchins | SmashingX: rsync, scp |
| 21:25.50 | SmashingX | I'm reading a book where it says that's not supported |
| 21:26.00 | SmashingX | so I was wondering what tools support that |
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| 21:27.28 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Supported by who/what? |
| 21:27.29 | peterrooney | What does your operating system say about what's supported or not? |
| 21:27.51 | SmashingX | ok let me copy what it says |
| 21:28.24 | jhutchins | SmashingX: No, don't copy it, tell us what it is and where you read it. |
| 21:28.30 | jhutchins | !paste SmashingX |
| 21:28.30 | dpkg | SmashingX: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 21:30.03 | SmashingX | Note that either the source or destination must be a local file. Remote to remote copying is not supported. |
| 21:30.16 | SmashingX | just for 1 line? |
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| 21:31.06 | SmashingX | http://pastebin.com/mW9ePwPW |
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| 21:31.19 | jhutchins | SmashingX: You execute the command remotely. |
| 21:31.43 | SmashingX | and both the source and destination can be remote? |
| 21:31.56 | jhutchins | SmashingX: You could pipe the command above to a second ssh session to a third machine. You'd have to use keys. |
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| 21:34.00 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Or just log in to the remote and send the file; or build a script you can trigger remotely. |
| 21:34.24 | jhutchins | SmashingX: I remember hitting that restriction earlier this year. |
| 21:34.31 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 21:35.55 | jhutchins | I mage ~50 servers remotely and toss files around all the time. I often use bash for loops to do things to multiple servers. |
| 21:36.21 | jhutchins | s/mage/manage |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins | ie push a package to a list of servers, install it, turn it on. |
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| 21:42.12 | acerspyro | Who was I tlking to? |
| 21:42.15 | acerspyro | Talking* |
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| 21:46.08 | acerspyro | Hello? |
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| 21:48.50 | acerspyro | How do I start my computer in "failsafe"? |
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| 21:52.06 | jhutchins | Somebody needs to learn how to use irc. |
| 21:52.32 | DoctorWedgeworth | probably best if they don't |
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| 22:01.05 | acerspyro | Hello, my iMac is stuck in an odd, random-colored display after starting X. |
| 22:01.20 | acerspyro | Won't answer to anything, I need to reboot, but X starts automatically |
| 22:02.09 | acerspyro | Can I start in safemode or something? |
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| 22:05.41 | koentje_ | Could explain why the Debian policy is to immediatly start/enable on boot services after a package has been installed (e.g. enabling rsync.service after installing rsync)? |
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| 22:06.39 | koentje_ | to me this doesn't seem what most people would want after installing rsync. Is this in discussion or is this just the way Debian wants to do it? |
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| 22:07.37 | vlt | koentje_: I personally have never experienced rsyncd runnning after installing rsync. I don’t know what the policy says. |
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| 22:09.11 | vlt | koentje_: /etc/default/rsync: RSYNC_ENABLE=false |
| 22:09.14 | koentje_ | vlt: I noticed just now after installing rsync that apt enabled the rsync daemon to start at boot, but didn't start it yet. |
| 22:09.18 | vlt | koentje_: This seems to be the default value |
| 22:09.47 | koentje_ | ah you're right |
| 22:10.23 | koentje_ | that's a bit misleading though... enabling the service in systemd (or sysvinit), but making the actual startup script a noop |
| 22:10.26 | vlt | koentje_: An overview over runnning daemons: `netstat -tulpen` |
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| 22:10.43 | koentje_ | yea, I know it's not running now |
| 22:11.22 | koentje_ | but I noticed apt immediatly started postfix after installation on another day as well... (of course, I wasn't finished configuring immediatly after installation) |
| 22:12.06 | koentje_ | the disabling in /etc/default feels like a 'hack' by the packager to me, to make sure apt doesn't do the wrong thing (immediatly starting a service without the user asking for it) |
| 22:12.16 | vlt | koentje_: Not sure, but postfix runs on 127.0.0.1 only by default |
| 22:12.22 | jhutchins | koentje_: Debian tends to do it htat way. |
| 22:12.34 | koentje_ | ah right, so it wouldn't be a security risk then, but still |
| 22:13.05 | vlt | koentje_: I think most of the usual daemons have decent default values. |
| 22:13.33 | koentje_ | jhutchins: is that policy still discussed? Or is the community in agreement that it should work this way? |
| 22:14.07 | koentje_ | vlt: sure... but things like RSYNC_ENABLE=false in /etc/default/rsync, while its enabled in the startup manager seems a bit of a workaround to me |
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| 22:14.27 | jhutchins | It might be discussed among maintainers, but I think it's the accepted method. Enable the scripts but have them check the defaults file. Since you might be configuring things in the defaults file anyway... |
| 22:14.28 | acerspyro | How do I start in failsafe mode? |
| 22:14.57 | jhutchins | koentje_: I don't think you'd get much traction with a "change everything" request. |
| 22:15.07 | koentje_ | yeah sure... but it leads to yet another place where you can enable/disable stuff |
| 22:15.13 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Choose it from the grub menu. |
| 22:15.19 | acerspyro | I don't have grub |
| 22:15.29 | acerspyro | I have YaBoot on an iMac |
| 22:15.32 | jhutchins | koentje_: Always more than one way in linux. |
| 22:15.37 | acerspyro | And X keeps starting automatically |
| 22:15.39 | koentje_ | jhutchins: hehe, yeah, I would prefer another policy:P That's why I asked if this is how the community wants it |
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| 22:15.42 | acerspyro | Which crashes me |
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| 22:16.11 | koentje_ | jhutchins: yeah that's true... still feeling around if Debian could be my way |
| 22:16.22 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Few of us know YaBoot well, you could check their website. It might not be there. |
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| 22:16.52 | koentje_ | in my opinion installation and starting are two different things though, and acting as if they're not leads to increased complexity (like maintainers working around the auto start by disabling it in /etc/default/) |
| 22:16.53 | jhutchins | koentje_: I ended up here after a lot of other distros. |
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| 22:17.18 | koentje_ | jhutchins: me too (*if* I end up here:P) |
| 22:17.50 | koentje_ | I like Debians reliability, but sometimes it just seems to want to do too much, and seems to complex... I'm not sure yet what I think about it:P |
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| 22:20.49 | acerspyro | Ok, I typed "Linux single" in the 2nd level boot prompt. Now, how do I tell debian not to load X on startup? |
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| 22:21.11 | jhutchins | acerspyro: It shouldn't in single user mode. Nor networking. |
| 22:21.21 | acerspyro | It doesnt |
| 22:21.33 | acerspyro | But in which file do I tell it not to start X normally? |
| 22:21.42 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Ah, just realized that. |
| 22:22.05 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Determine which DM you're running (likely gdm), disable with rc-conf. |
| 22:22.18 | acerspyro | xdm |
| 22:22.23 | acerspyro | I disable it |
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| 22:22.25 | jhutchins | !dm |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
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| 22:23.51 | acerspyro | jhutchins: there is no rc-conf program |
| 22:23.59 | acerspyro | Nor is there an /etc/rc.conf |
| 22:24.36 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Sorry, there are a lot of options, just a sec. |
| 22:24.47 | acerspyro | ok |
| 22:24.51 | jhutchins | rcconf |
| 22:25.53 | acerspyro | kk |
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| 22:26.19 | acerspyro | Not existing |
| 22:28.04 | anchorspark | just installed the intel gigabit driver. All workie |
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| 22:30.19 | acerspyro | the rcconf program does not exists |
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| 22:34.14 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Which release |
| 22:34.21 | acerspyro | squeeze |
| 22:34.27 | acerspyro | PowerPC |
| 22:35.44 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Sorry, update-rc.d is the default/base. There are also <sysv-rc-conf>, <sysv-rc>. and chkconfig. |
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| 22:36.24 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 22:38.04 | acerspyro | Is there an editable file somewhere? |
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| 22:38.27 | Ritzton | hello |
| 22:39.14 | Ritzton | I can't use mysqli get_result() on my debian server ? is it normal ? |
| 22:39.31 | acerspyro | jhutchins: Is there an editable file somewhere? |
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| 22:43.11 | koentje_ | Ritzton: I'm not a Debian person, but I think it creates/removes symlinks in the /etc/rcX.d directories |
| 22:43.59 | koentje_ | ah, there is even a README (e.g. /etc/rc3.d/README) :) |
| 22:44.23 | r3m | koentje_: which distrib do you use |
| 22:44.57 | ctmjr | acerspyro, what happens if you type "rescue" at the prompt instead of linux single |
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| 22:45.15 | acerspyro | wait |
| 22:45.46 | koentje_ | r3m: at work I can't get around RHEL, and privately I use Arch |
| 22:45.54 | r3m | koentje_: oh ok |
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| 22:46.12 | koentje_ | but I'm trying to switch my private servers from Arch to Debian (at least seeing how it goes) |
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| 22:46.25 | r3m | i prefer debian, more easy |
| 22:46.34 | Ritzton | koentje_ > how can I use this function on debian ? |
| 22:46.53 | koentje_ | hehe, I think arch is more easy :P (more simple at any rate) |
| 22:47.08 | acerspyro | ctmjr: I just did "Linux rescue" |
| 22:47.11 | koentje_ | Ritzton: ohw sorry! I tagged your name wrong! it was meant for acerspyro |
| 22:47.35 | koentje_ | I don't know about that mysql server, but I would compare version first |
| 22:47.42 | koentje_ | s/server/function |
| 22:47.59 | acerspyro | oh, ok DoctorWedgeworth |
| 22:48.01 | acerspyro | DAMNIT |
| 22:48.11 | acerspyro | koentje_* |
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| 22:48.46 | acerspyro | Btw, using Linux rescue didn't do anything, ctmjr |
| 22:48.49 | acerspyro | And hi, btw |
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| 22:49.48 | Ritzton | how can I install php mysqlnd on debian squeeze ? |
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| 22:55.05 | DriBble | Hi all! |
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| 22:55.34 | DriBble | ive brought a toshiba nb550d, has anyone owned one of these here? |
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| 22:57.44 | ctmjr | acerspyro, not "linux rescue" just "rescue" here read this and you will know as much as me about installing debian on a powerpc http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/powerpc/ch08s07.html.en |
| 22:58.01 | acerspyro | ctmjr: I tried it and it said it didn't find it |
| 22:58.09 | acerspyro | That's why I did Linux rescue |
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| 23:04.51 | ctmjr | acerspyro, you can try in here #debianppc if have not already |
| 23:05.04 | acerspyro | I have |
| 23:05.08 | acerspyro | Rock-silent |
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| 23:05.37 | acerspyro | Oh there's one on this server? |
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| 23:13.31 | jhutchins | acerspyro: What the init rc stuff is is a set of directories, each of which has symbolic links to the init scripts and either start or stop each service when the system enters the "runlevel" that corresponds with that directory. |
| 23:13.47 | acerspyro | ok |
| 23:13.50 | jhutchins | acerspyro: You can manually create and delete the links, but it's best to use a management tool. |
| 23:14.13 | acerspyro | k |
| 23:14.29 | Lady_Aleena | Will I lose any of the following keyboard shortcuts? http://pastebin.com/q2F4jy9z |
| 23:14.32 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Debian uses 0 (halt), 1 (single user/rescue), 2 (default w/ net, multiuser & GUI), and 6 (reboot). |
| 23:14.33 | acerspyro | And I'm stiill getting that spam in the log file |
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| 23:14.54 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Other systems usually define five and leave one for local customization. |
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| 23:15.35 | jhutchins | acerspyro: It's not spam. |
| 23:15.47 | Lady_Aleena | Or will I have to write them myself when I install Debian? |
| 23:15.48 | jhutchins | acerspyro: What kid of messages are you worried about? |
| 23:15.54 | acerspyro | wait |
| 23:16.39 | acerspyro | Idle timed out, resetting engine... |
| 23:16.46 | acerspyro | CCE stop -9 |
| 23:16.52 | acerspyro | CCE start -9 |
| 23:16.56 | acerspyro | CCE idle -9 |
| 23:17.07 | acerspyro | That, over and over and over for like 80% of the file |
| 23:17.19 | jhutchins | !passste acerspyro |
| 23:17.28 | DriBble | hi, has anyone here used debian on a toshiba nb550d? |
| 23:17.31 | jhutchins | !paste acerspyro |
| 23:17.31 | dpkg | acerspyro: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:17.49 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Go ahead and paste a sample. |
| 23:17.54 | acerspyro | ok |
| 23:19.57 | acerspyro | http://paste.debian.net/18866/ |
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| 23:20.40 | Lady_Aleena | sits in the waiting room. :) |
| 23:21.07 | jhutchins | acerspyro: That's your Xorg.0.log? |
| 23:21.11 | jhutchins | !realtek |
| 23:21.11 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 23:21.27 | acerspyro | Well, I told it to save to it to another file, but yes |
| 23:21.40 | acerspyro | Well, I told it to save it to another file, but yes* |
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| 23:27.15 | DriBble | !toshiba |
| 23:27.15 | dpkg | Toshiba Corporation is a Japanese multinational conglomerate. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Toshiba . See also <laptop>, <toshutils>. |
| 23:27.33 | reimorster | hey you |
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| 23:29.09 | jhutchins | !ati |
| 23:29.09 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 23:29.29 | DriBble | Hi all |
| 23:29.42 | jhutchins | acerspyro: See if you can find some help there, I don't have an ATI. |
| 23:29.46 | DriBble | im looking for advice on a toshiba netbook |
| 23:29.50 | acerspyro | ok |
| 23:29.51 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Is it fairly old? |
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| 23:29.59 | jhutchins | DriBble: Don't get it wet. |
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| 23:30.02 | acerspyro | ~2001-2002 |
| 23:30.02 | apt | -1 |
| 23:30.15 | acerspyro | It's an iMac G3 |
| 23:30.19 | DriBble | i plan on coating the mainboard in a resin |
| 23:30.23 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Should be reasonably well supported by the Xorg drivers. |
| 23:30.32 | acerspyro | kk |
| 23:30.42 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Oh, yeah, known to work, might take some fiddling. |
| 23:31.00 | acerspyro | I'm trying a new config file atm |
| 23:31.31 | jhutchins | acerspyro: The default is to use no config file and let it auto-detect. |
| 23:31.48 | acerspyro | It didn't work |
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| 23:33.42 | jordilopezamat | Dear Debian IRC community :-) |
| 23:33.51 | acerspyro | omg |
| 23:34.14 | acerspyro | jhutchins: it works |
| 23:34.30 | acerspyro | YESSSS |
| 23:34.43 | acerspyro | I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING WORK FOR OVER A YEAR |
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| 23:35.39 | jordilopezamat | congratulations acerspyro whatever it is |
| 23:35.44 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 23:35.49 | Mr_Queue | Well done sir. |
| 23:35.51 | acerspyro | lol |
| 23:35.55 | acerspyro | iMac G3 with X |
| 23:36.14 | jordilopezamat | "patience is the mother's of science"... |
| 23:36.32 | acerspyro | I learned that |
| 23:36.44 | Mr_Queue | if I have a cron set to @weekly, but the box is down when @weekly would normally run, does anyone know if on the next boot if crond is aware @weekly hasn't run and then proceeds to run the cron? |
| 23:36.56 | jhutchins | I have an old ppc powerbook, I oughta convert it. Really isn't any use as a Mac any more. |
| 23:37.04 | jordilopezamat | or we might say "perseverance is science mother" ... |
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| 23:37.28 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: which relase? |
| 23:37.47 | ctmjr | acerspyro, what did you do delete the xorg.conf ? |
| 23:38.13 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: Wheezy |
| 23:38.17 | acerspyro | Nope |
| 23:38.26 | acerspyro | I'm still with squeeze |
| 23:38.32 | acerspyro | http://jjorge.free.fr/myfreetv/xorg.conf |
| 23:38.38 | acerspyro | I used that version of xorg.conf |
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| 23:39.15 | jhutchins | acerspyro: squeeze should autodetect. |
| 23:39.36 | Mr_Queue | I'm hoping crond is aware.. It would make this backup script a lot easier rather than touching files and whatnot |
| 23:39.55 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: I'm pretty sure wheezy still uses anacron. Not sure what the "catch up" policies are, but systems no longer go unusable doing maintenance when you boot them so they must be reasonaable. |
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| 23:40.06 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: There is documentation. |
| 23:40.36 | acerspyro | My next job is to find the mouse |
| 23:40.36 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: I figured there way, I wasn't exactly sure what part of it I would/should be reading. |
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| 23:40.59 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: Prob'ly anacron. |
| 23:41.04 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 23:41.06 | Mr_Queue | well... |
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| 23:42.44 | jhutchins | Yeah, well, I had to learn that everybody had moved away from vixiecron. I assumed that because it always worked they didn't fix it, but they did. |
| 23:44.00 | acerspyro | Hum |
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| 23:44.08 | Mr_Queue | I'll have to read both crond and anacron.. I have mostly Debian boxes but enough cent boxes I need to know about as well.. |
| 23:44.24 | acerspyro | jhutchins: I logged in, and it brought me to a fancy command-line with mouse, but no real desktop |
| 23:44.31 | Mr_Queue | Really only care about the Debian box.. (GF's laptop and it's not always on) |
| 23:45.00 | Mr_Queue | acerspyro: sounds like X but no DE. |
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| 23:45.08 | acerspyro | ok |
| 23:45.22 | Mr_Queue | do you have gnome or whatever installed yet? |
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| 23:46.20 | acerspyro | I have XDM |
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| 23:46.47 | Mr_Queue | I've never ran that.. It may be running as intended. I have no clue. |
| 23:47.08 | acerspyro | When I try xeyes, it says it couldn't find a screen |
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| 23:47.26 | acerspyro | XDM is supposed to have a menu when you click in the background |
| 23:47.34 | Mr_Queue | I'm pretty late to your issue today so I likely won't be a ton of help. |
| 23:47.40 | acerspyro | ok |
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| 23:48.40 | acerspyro | Thanks, guys |
| 23:48.40 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: On the other hand, Anacron remembers the scheduled jobs if the system is not running at the time when the job is scheduled. The job is then exectuted as soon as the system is up. However, Anacron can only run a job once a day. |
| 23:48.56 | jordilopezamat | Newbie here, be warned :-P ! I need to clone my disk, and i'm so happy i've just learned that this can ve done in a (seems to me) quite simple way ... |
| 23:48.56 | Mr_Queue | That's perfect, works for me.. |
| 23:49.08 | Mr_Queue | dd can clone it. |
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| 23:49.42 | Mr_Queue | it can also nuke it so be careful.. You basically want to dd one block device to another.. Neither of which should be mounted. |
| 23:50.07 | Mr_Queue | jordilopezamat: are the drive the exact same? |
| 23:50.26 | jordilopezamat | nops Mr_Queue |
| 23:50.42 | Mr_Queue | Then what do you mean by 'clone'? |
| 23:50.48 | jordilopezamat | origin drive is a pen drive of 16GB |
| 23:51.09 | jordilopezamat | and destination one is a nice SSD of 120GB... |
| 23:51.32 | Mr_Queue | So you just want to move the data from the pen drive to the new ssd? |
| 23:51.47 | jordilopezamat | i mean 'move my system from the pen drive onto the SSD ' |
| 23:52.16 | Mr_Queue | Oh, well same deal then.. Just dd it, and then unmounted resize the filesystem |
| 23:52.34 | jordilopezamat | ... as far as i'm expecting a performance improvement and greater storage capacitiy... am i right saying so ? |
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| 23:52.54 | Mr_Queue | Go ready about dd and the options.. but you're going to be doing something like dd if=/dev/pen-drive of=/dev/new-ssd |
| 23:53.13 | Mr_Queue | you mix those up and you're fucked so go read about dd before you start. |
| 23:53.25 | jordilopezamat | I know...! :-P |
| 23:53.37 | jordilopezamat | it's on my own risk! |
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| 23:53.50 | jordilopezamat | dd = "disk destroyer"... ha,ha...! |
| 23:54.06 | jordilopezamat | fingers crossed Mr_Queue |
| 23:54.22 | Mr_Queue | good luck |
| 23:54.38 | jordilopezamat | thanks Mr_Queue... what puzzles me is ... |
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| 23:55.30 | jordilopezamat | regarding partitions... , ¿shall i set a the same partitions schema onto the destination disk as compared to the origin? |
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| 23:56.20 | Mr_Queue | It won't matter.. dd is going to wipe that ssd and be an exact copy of that 16G pen drive. When it's doing you'll need to resize the filesystem to reclaim the rest of your new disk. |
| 23:56.35 | Mr_Queue | it will boot and everything. |
| 23:56.47 | jordilopezamat | wow... magic |
| 23:56.57 | jordilopezamat | are you kidding me ?! |
| 23:57.01 | Mr_Queue | I'm not. |
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| 23:57.06 | jordilopezamat | wonderful dd... |
| 23:57.31 | Mr_Queue | There may be some options you might want to pass putting that data on to a ssd but I don't own one so I can't say.. |
| 23:57.38 | jordilopezamat | ¿i don't have to bother about diferent partitions schema, MBR, grub...and so on? :-o |
| 23:57.44 | Mr_Queue | nope. |
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| 23:58.10 | Mr_Queue | if you had 100 more 16G pen drives laying around you could make 100 exact copies just like that. |
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| 23:59.10 | jordilopezamat | mmh... i'm puzzled about that dd howto i was following, which suggests 'sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1' ...syntax like for i'm trying to do... |
| 23:59.27 | Mr_Queue | here is where you can really really wreck your day.. |
| 23:59.32 | Mr_Queue | Those are block devices... |
| 23:59.39 | jordilopezamat | uops |
| 23:59.43 | Mr_Queue | if you get the wrong block device you're screwd. |
