| 00:00.12 | Mr_Queue | Well partitions.. but you will be dropping the '1' off that. |
| 00:00.20 | jordilopezamat | ah |
| 00:00.21 | Mr_Queue | so /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 00:00.30 | jordilopezamat | yep |
| 00:01.01 | jordilopezamat | let's go for it... Mr_Queue... fingers crossed |
| 00:01.10 | Mr_Queue | dd is also used to zero out and over write a drive to wipe it... So be careful. |
| 00:02.17 | surg66 | hey guys, i'm trying to get to the bottom of an error with motion... could anyone give me any hints as to where to look to solve this? http_bindsock: motion-stream creating socket/bind ERROR ... motion_init: Problem enabling motion-stream server in port 8081 |
| 00:02.19 | jordilopezamat | I'll be Mr_Queue if i'm not back in a while... then you know what happened to me :-P |
| 00:02.41 | Mr_Queue | You're doing this from a running system? I probably wouldn't. |
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| 00:03.07 | jordilopezamat | ...as per your suggestion, i will not Mr_Queue |
| 00:03.38 | jordilopezamat | i'll plug a LiveUSB and dd from there the pen drive onto the new SSD |
| 00:03.55 | Mr_Queue | That's what I would do.. There isn't much I would do to a mounted file system |
| 00:04.05 | Mr_Queue | just use it. :D |
| 00:04.25 | jordilopezamat | with the 'dd if /dev/sda of=/dev/sdb' command... |
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| 00:04.53 | Mr_Queue | if= <--- input file of= <--- output file.. |
| 00:05.15 | Mr_Queue | You should read the man page real quick, it will take you 10 minutes. |
| 00:05.33 | Mr_Queue | And hours to put a smoked machine back together. |
| 00:05.39 | jordilopezamat | that's what i assumed from the syntax, assuming sda=pen drive and sda=destination SSD... everything as to go fine |
| 00:05.59 | Mr_Queue | sda sda? You're dead. |
| 00:06.11 | jordilopezamat | ha,ha!! :-P |
| 00:06.30 | Mr_Queue | I'm not kidding... the nick name for dd is data destruction |
| 00:06.40 | jordilopezamat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.44 | Mr_Queue | destroy disks etc etc. |
| 00:06.45 | jordilopezamat | ...ufff |
| 00:07.23 | Mr_Queue | no if sda is your pen and sdb is the sdd then you're in the right direction.. |
| 00:07.26 | jordilopezamat | i'll try no to use dd as disk destroy but as do-it-damned-fine |
| 00:07.38 | Mr_Queue | data duplicate |
| 00:08.08 | Mr_Queue | I'm stepping away for a few.. Good luck. |
| 00:08.37 | jordilopezamat | so, once again...what is the magic behind of dd command, ¿is it really copying block by block -exact-image duplication? |
| 00:08.51 | jordilopezamat | Ok, thanks Mr_Queue! |
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| 00:09.20 | jordilopezamat | let's do it jordi |
| 00:09.58 | jordilopezamat | bye bye cruel world...ha,ha |
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| 00:23.40 | verysoftoiletppr | hi, I come from ubuntu and am trying to set up nfs |
| 00:24.08 | verysoftoiletppr | however I'm not familiar with portmap or rpcbind or /etc/hosts.allw |
| 00:24.11 | verysoftoiletppr | however I'm not familiar with portmap or rpcbind or /etc/hosts.allow |
| 00:24.21 | verysoftoiletppr | where can I find a primer about this? |
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| 00:32.44 | Mr_Queue | "hi, I come from ubuntu" <--- lol, welcome to earth. |
| 00:33.14 | jiohdi | ubuntu is african for windows bloat |
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| 00:36.31 | Mr_Queue | verysoftoiletppr: try Debian's wiki. |
| 00:36.31 | jiohdi | I am trying to use remastersys but can't seem to get below 8gig, is there anything in share I can safely exclude? |
| 00:37.32 | Mr_Queue | Why did it start so big in the first place? |
| 00:37.45 | Mr_Queue | exclude /home |
| 00:37.56 | jiohdi | already excluding /hom |
| 00:38.08 | jiohdi | but I find share has like 7gigs of stuff in it |
| 00:38.26 | Mr_Queue | install and run localpurge |
| 00:38.44 | Mr_Queue | No sense in having man pages in languages you can't even read. |
| 00:40.42 | jiohdi | its not in deb repo is it? |
| 00:40.46 | Mr_Queue | yeah |
| 00:41.02 | jiohdi | it says unable to locate |
| 00:41.19 | Mr_Queue | localepurge |
| 00:41.25 | Mr_Queue | spelled it wrong |
| 00:41.29 | Mr_Queue | I did..... |
| 00:42.00 | jiohdi | found it |
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| 00:43.28 | bejker | any ideas how to chande default sound card? |
| 00:43.36 | bejker | change* |
| 00:43.39 | Mr_Queue | alsamixer? |
| 00:43.45 | bejker | not working |
| 00:44.01 | Mr_Queue | dunno then, I've never needed to. |
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| 00:44.15 | Zitter | there is a pulse tool I think |
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| 00:44.42 | jiohdi | alsamixer in terminal has an option to change sound cards |
| 00:45.23 | Mr_Queue | ^ is what I was talking about |
| 00:46.43 | Zitter | bejker, have you tried pavucontrol from command line? |
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| 00:48.59 | bejker | not yet, w8 i try look at thise pulse audio |
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| 00:49.42 | Zitter | w8... mmmm.... it is not good! |
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| 00:51.36 | Mr_Queue | is w8 short for wait these days? |
| 00:51.51 | dvs | ys |
| 00:51.51 | Th0masR0ss | it's txt spk |
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| 00:54.44 | bejker | how to change right now everything in some mixer? |
| 00:54.55 | bejker | becouse i want to mute microphone |
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| 00:55.56 | Mr_Queue | alsamixer |
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| 00:56.07 | bejker | alsamixer bad argument |
| 00:56.10 | bejker | wtf? |
| 00:56.12 | Mr_Queue | install it |
| 00:56.19 | bejker | i have installed |
| 00:56.42 | jiohdi | anyone know the name of the pkg that allows you to see all the files like varying size squares? |
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| 00:56.45 | Mr_Queue | alsa-base |
| 00:56.48 | Mr_Queue | bejker: ^ |
| 00:56.52 | Zitter | bejker, have to changed your default soundcard, then? |
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| 00:57.08 | Zitter | *have you |
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| 01:00.23 | ignacio | if I'm gonna run virtual PCs, is there an advantage to installing amd64? |
| 01:00.44 | Mr_Queue | yes |
| 01:00.58 | ignacio | abort! |
| 01:00.58 | dvs | ignacio: if you have more than 4GB of memory, yes |
| 01:01.05 | ignacio | I don't |
| 01:01.10 | ignacio | un-abort! |
| 01:01.23 | Mr_Queue | dvs that isn't true |
| 01:01.32 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:01.33 | Mr_Queue | memory has nothing to do with it. |
| 01:01.57 | Mr_Queue | if you want to use more than 4G on a 32bit kernel you only need a PAE kernel. |
| 01:02.09 | dvs | Mr_Queue: you can have more than 4GB with a i386 system but it's going to run slower. |
| 01:02.10 | Mr_Queue | If you're chewing on data, you want 64 bit. |
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| 01:02.14 | Mr_Queue | No no no.. |
| 01:03.38 | Mr_Queue | The host CPU will be chewing through at least 2 machines of data.. Use 64bit. |
| 01:03.39 | ignacio | it's only for playing around with a bunch of virtual pcs |
| 01:03.41 | dvs | Mr_Queue: you're in the minority if you think PAE doesn't affect the speed. |
| 01:03.51 | Mr_Queue | PAE is retarded... |
| 01:04.01 | Mr_Queue | If you can use 64bit use it. |
| 01:04.09 | dvs | agrees |
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| 01:05.00 | Mr_Queue | 64bit has a slightly higher memory needs for all applications but that's to deal with the extended address space those apps will need. |
| 01:05.40 | Mr_Queue | I would _only_ use 32bit if an application required it. Else you're just doing it wrong IMO. |
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| 01:06.45 | Th0masR0ss | is cd1 pae? |
| 01:06.59 | dvs | which cd1? |
| 01:07.09 | Mr_Queue | No. |
| 01:07.10 | Th0masR0ss | my grub boot entry ends with pae |
| 01:07.15 | Th0masR0ss | dvs: Xfce 7.1 |
| 01:07.15 | Mr_Queue | Then you have it. |
| 01:07.25 | Mr_Queue | But you might have a network connection as well. |
| 01:07.32 | dvs | runs away from Th0masR0ss |
| 01:07.35 | Mr_Queue | Actually, they might have put PAE as the default. |
| 01:07.57 | Th0masR0ss | dvs: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 01:07.58 | Th0masR0ss | damnit. |
| 01:09.01 | Mr_Queue | If you have a network connection, which it appears you do, it doesn't matter how you get Debian booted. You can do anything you want to it after. |
| 01:09.13 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: what are you getting at? |
| 01:09.21 | Mr_Queue | Water is wet. |
| 01:09.26 | Th0masR0ss | oh. |
| 01:09.34 | Th0masR0ss | so I can make it 64bit? |
| 01:09.46 | Mr_Queue | Yes, but it isn't 'easy' |
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| 01:10.00 | Th0masR0ss | oh. |
| 01:10.01 | Th0masR0ss | define easy |
| 01:10.21 | Mr_Queue | you will basically be creating a chroot, installing debian there, copying your shit over, configuring grub to the new OS, reboot and you're good. |
| 01:10.42 | dvs | Th0masR0ss: you can get the 64bit kernel but the rest of your system will still be 32bit |
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| 01:11.10 | Mr_Queue | You're leaving all the 32bit bin's behind and coping most config files over.. |
| 01:11.29 | Mr_Queue | Think of it more of a 'migration' than a simple change to 64bit. |
| 01:11.44 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: pae is i386 or different? |
| 01:11.58 | Mr_Queue | pae is for 32 bit |
| 01:12.06 | Mr_Queue | so yes, i386 |
| 01:12.07 | jiohdi | if you delete something in thunar as root, how do you purge the trash folder? |
| 01:12.18 | Mr_Queue | rm it. |
| 01:12.29 | Mr_Queue | It's in $HOME/.local |
| 01:12.37 | jiohdi | I dont want to remove it, just purge its contents |
| 01:12.44 | Mr_Queue | It will be repopulated |
| 01:12.56 | Mr_Queue | but cd to it and peak around, remove what you want |
| 01:13.00 | jiohdi | Mr_Queue: its in /root/.local/share/Trash |
| 01:13.10 | Mr_Queue | yep |
| 01:13.15 | Mr_Queue | remove it |
| 01:13.29 | Th0masR0ss | is there any real disadvantage to 32bit? |
| 01:13.31 | Mr_Queue | why are you using thunar as root? |
| 01:13.46 | Mr_Queue | 32bit requires less memory per process |
| 01:14.04 | jiohdi | Mr_Queue: because its easier to explore and remove things |
| 01:14.11 | Mr_Queue | You're not going to run into that problem unless you run a stupid busy server |
| 01:14.19 | Mr_Queue | jiohdi: dear god. |
| 01:14.31 | Th0masR0ss | isn't that good? |
| 01:14.32 | jiohdi | Mr_Queue: I know what not to touch, I assure you |
| 01:14.43 | Mr_Queue | You're missing the point.. |
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| 01:14.46 | jiohdi | Mr_Queue: but I have an encrypted folder on /root |
| 01:15.01 | Mr_Queue | If you can't cruise a command line, believe me, you sure as hell don't need root. |
| 01:15.17 | Mr_Queue | So mount it.. |
| 01:16.21 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: smaller memory per pid? |
| 01:16.26 | Mr_Queue | not always.. |
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| 01:16.39 | Mr_Queue | Memory is fast as shit.. If you have it use it.. If you run out, buy more. |
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| 01:17.35 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: yeah |
| 01:17.47 | Mr_Queue | Just buy more. |
| 01:18.04 | Mr_Queue | If you OOM a box, you're already in need of more hardware. |
| 01:18.09 | Mr_Queue | Same if you swap it out. |
| 01:18.45 | Mr_Queue | Really unless you're a server admin I highly doubt you'll ever run into either day to day. |
| 01:19.01 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: I've got 4gb. Should I reinstall with amd64? |
| 01:19.16 | Mr_Queue | which btw... HAPPY SYSADMIN DAY ya'll geeks.. Go get a beer! |
| 01:19.19 | dvs | oh yeah |
| 01:19.42 | Th0masR0ss | Well I admin a server but I'm talking about the computer I use daily |
| 01:19.46 | Th0masR0ss | with a de and such |
| 01:19.48 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: I have 4 and I run 64bit on my workstation. |
| 01:20.18 | Mr_Queue | I admin about 30,000... I see them OOM often. :D |
| 01:20.28 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: ok. I'll probably reinstall as amd64 soon |
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| 01:20.35 | Mr_Queue | That's what I would do.. |
| 01:20.53 | Mr_Queue | If you're in for a project this weekend, try a migration and get it done with one reboot.. |
| 01:20.54 | Th0masR0ss | ok. |
| 01:21.24 | Th0masR0ss | 'll do that |
| 01:21.35 | Mr_Queue | debootstrap is your friend. |
| 01:21.46 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: should I just migrate kernels or should I reinstall completely? |
| 01:22.09 | bejker | thise pulse audio is something fuckd up |
| 01:22.10 | Mr_Queue | reinstall completely.. All your binary files are compiled for 32bit currently. |
| 01:22.44 | Mr_Queue | bejker: pulse has been fucked up since the day it started.. Matter of fact it even said something to that effect on it's project's website. |
| 01:22.52 | Mr_Queue | The main developer said it sucked. |
| 01:22.53 | Th0masR0ss | ok. |
| 01:23.03 | Mr_Queue | Then Ubuntu said, lets use it...... |
| 01:23.34 | bejker | and the everything change to crap |
| 01:23.43 | bejker | then |
| 01:23.43 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: rsync your /home out somewhere (you have backups right admin)... Reinstall and sync /home back in. |
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| 01:24.09 | ignacio | if I netboot from a 386 image I get 32-bit? |
| 01:24.13 | Mr_Queue | yes |
| 01:24.16 | bejker | yes |
| 01:24.21 | dvs | maybe |
| 01:24.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:24.27 | ignacio | abort! |
| 01:24.38 | reavengrey | yes |
| 01:24.47 | Mr_Queue | no maybe, yes. |
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| 01:24.54 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: I feel like I read somewhere that amd64 has a smaller package base |
| 01:24.54 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: 'dat true or not? |
| 01:25.02 | Mr_Queue | it's a 32 bit kernel, installer, packages etc... |
| 01:25.03 | ignacio | today I spent a couple of hours fooling around with netboot and preseeding |
| 01:25.26 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: Maybe stupid slightly with really old software you're never going to see.. |
| 01:25.31 | ignacio | and I ended up hauling the monitor and keyboard anyway |
| 01:25.55 | Mr_Queue | I'm talking like maybe missing like 100 package for some stupid game created in 1997 |
| 01:26.03 | ignacio | abuse? nooooo! |
| 01:26.27 | Mr_Queue | netboot can be cool.. |
| 01:26.43 | ignacio | netboot's silly |
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| 01:26.57 | ignacio | you tell it to give you a ssh console, but it won't unless you give it a locale and keyboard distribution |
| 01:27.02 | ignacio | wtf |
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| 01:27.30 | Mr_Queue | I'm sure you can set that in a config somewhere. I've never set one up.. I dunno. |
| 01:27.31 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: ha |
| 01:27.36 | ignacio | aaanyway better put up the x64 image |
| 01:27.47 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: alright. Thanks for your help |
| 01:27.53 | Mr_Queue | Use amd64 if you can. |
| 01:27.55 | Mr_Queue | always. |
| 01:28.17 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: no problem. Good luck |
| 01:28.19 | jmcnaught | ignacio: don't use x64 it's for itanium. you want amd64 (even for intel) |
| 01:28.24 | Mr_Queue | ^^^^^ |
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| 01:28.26 | ignacio | er amd64 |
| 01:28.52 | bejker | buy 386 with p1 33MHz and install flopix :D |
| 01:28.52 | ignacio | I mis-spoke |
| 01:29.27 | Mr_Queue | bejker: heh |
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| 01:29.35 | ignacio | I'll probably virtualize something like that |
| 01:31.05 | jmcnaught | Th0masR0ss: even if you install amd64 you can still use 32-bit packages thanks to debian's multiarch feature, so you still get to use those obscure packages that are i386 only |
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| 01:31.19 | Mr_Queue | what he said.. |
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| 01:33.32 | ignacio | these oreos just turned into oreo mud |
| 01:33.45 | Mr_Queue | hell yeah. |
| 01:33.49 | ignacio | yummy oreo mud |
| 01:34.26 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: so I'd use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso ? |
| 01:34.34 | Mr_Queue | yep |
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| 01:35.54 | Th0masR0ss | yay |
| 01:36.09 | Mr_Queue | if you want even a smaller one and don't have a problem on the command line, just do the minimal install and build up. |
| 01:36.33 | dvs | I think he chose xfce for a reason |
| 01:36.42 | Mr_Queue | but that ISO will be fine, you'll be online in no time. |
| 01:36.53 | Mr_Queue | dvs: Likely.. |
| 01:37.12 | Mr_Queue | I try to stay away from meta packages as a general rule... Ever play in Sid? |
| 01:39.55 | rmdashrf | hi i'm having tearing issues when running i3wm, and i didn't have this issue when using gnome-shell so I'm guessing it's not an issue with my graphics driver (running nvidia proprietary). any ideas on what it might be? |
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| 01:40.01 | Mr_Queue | I simply cannot find the attention to stay on rsyslog's documents to finish remote logging tonight.. lol.. |
| 01:41.34 | Th0masR0ss | I know my way around the command line. I just don't have the best Internet here and I don't want to stay at someone else's house to get better Internet longer than I have to |
| 01:41.36 | jmcnaught | rmdashrf: the difference might be that gnome-shell uses 3D acceleration for rendering. i'm not sure if i3wm does. there might me a tweak in your nvidia driver for better 2d performance |
| 01:41.40 | Th0masR0ss | is on holiday |
| 01:43.00 | Mr_Queue | Th0masR0ss: Well if they have a good connection, grab the DVD.. I'm guessing you've done it before and know what you're doing. |
| 01:43.02 | rmdashrf | jmcnaught: if there is, i couldn't find it in the settings. I've tried enabling/disabling nearly every option in nvidia-settings to no avail :( |
| 01:43.44 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: what's the difference between cd and DVD? |
| 01:43.47 | jmcnaught | rmdashrf: i don't have nvidia so i don't know what to suggest. any luck on google? |
| 01:43.57 | Mr_Queue | cd is 700M dvd is 4.4G.. |
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| 01:44.04 | Mr_Queue | The dvd will have more packages on it. |
| 01:44.34 | Mr_Queue | They put the more popular packages on the first DVD along with the dependencies.. |
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| 01:44.35 | Th0masR0ss | Mr_Queue: I see. I *have* Internet it's just a bit slow |
| 01:44.47 | Mr_Queue | ahh.. well you have time to I suppose. :D |
| 01:44.56 | Th0masR0ss | yeah |
| 01:44.59 | rmdashrf | jmcnaught: i looked through the first three pages and most people were having trouble with tearing on gnome itself. I tried several suggestions such as disable compositing (?), but none of them work. oh well :/ |
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| 01:50.06 | ignacio | I keep using this password for user accounts |
| 01:50.13 | ignacio | even though I use it all over the internet |
| 01:50.23 | ignacio | and it was mailed to me on plaintext once |
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| 01:50.29 | ignacio | I feel somewhat guilty about it |
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| 01:53.08 | ignacio | this installation is downloading a silly number of packages |
| 01:53.16 | ignacio | and I haven't even selected what I want |
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| 02:25.00 | ignacio | I accidentally opened 2 ssh sessions to the installer |
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| 02:25.25 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:25.39 | ignacio | started getting errora in the new session |
| 02:26.00 | ignacio | I hope the old session won't blow up when it finishes installing stuff |
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| 02:26.19 | Th0masR0ss | So close one of the sessions? |
| 02:26.28 | ignacio | already did |
| 02:26.57 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello fellow neckbeards, I am having trouble with my audio. it plays over my speakers and over my left headphone at the same time. This is a laptop, any solutions |
| 02:27.45 | ignacio | tried muting speakers in alsamixer? |
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| 02:28.57 | Asad3ainJalout | i did but its a temporary solution. Im trying to make itmore streamlined and permanent |
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| 02:36.23 | jmcnaught | Asad3ainJalout: i think some sound cards have a channel or toggle in alsamixer for head phone jack sense (or something like that)... did you see anything similar? |
| 02:41.11 | jmcnaught | Asad3ainJalout: also what sound card do you have? |
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| 02:48.07 | ignacio | Asad3ainJalout: http://i.imgur.com/wIRFOL8.png |
| 02:48.12 | ignacio | do you have an option like that? |
| 02:48.42 | oren | what filesystem should i format my hd? ext4? |
| 02:49.00 | reavengrey | no reason not to |
| 02:49.15 | oren | reavengrey: just making sure. thanks |
| 02:50.20 | oren | i plan to have RAID1 and follow this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot the problem is they create a logical volume called foobar_root but never create swap or splitting it. they also mention that it's not a good practice but never show how to do all that. can anyone guide me about doing that? |
| 02:51.17 | Asad3ainJalout | hello im back so i tried muting the speakers adn all it did was mute everything |
| 02:51.29 | Asad3ainJalout | so i unmuted the master andheadphone but no audio |
| 02:53.05 | Asad3ainJalout | the card is an HDA ATI SB. The chip is Conexant CX20585 |
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| 02:57.27 | ignacio | shit I closed all the sessions |
| 02:57.28 | ignacio | fuuuck |
| 02:58.07 | ignacio | oh it was still running on tmux |
| 02:58.13 | ignacio | still, it blew up like I feared |
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| 03:43.31 | tiron | would it be a bad idea to go from gnome 3.4 to 3.6 (wheezy)? |
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| 03:49.56 | mumpitze1 | ,v gnome |
| 03:49.57 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7; jessie: 1:3.8+2; sid: 1:3.8+2 |
| 03:50.11 | mumpitze1 | as you can see there is no gnome 3.6 in debian |
| 03:50.44 | tiron | mumpitzel, ahh, I see, Thank you |
| 03:51.31 | mumpitze1 | if you want to run gnome 3.8, you must run jessie aka testing. you can't just install gnome 3.8 from testing into your wheezy installation |
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| 04:03.25 | oren | how to take a screenshot of a step in the debian installer? |
| 04:03.53 | oren | (using the non-gui installer) |
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| 04:04.40 | vectory_ | oren: camera |
| 04:05.25 | oren | vectory_: omg. u'r not kidding |
| 04:08.37 | vectory_ | oren: well, i suppose you could somehow read out the pty device file but i really dunno how |
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| 04:11.26 | oren | vectory_: camera is actualy not a bad idea |
| 04:16.43 | vectory_ | depends if the message is really too complicated to type copy |
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| 04:20.18 | cseder | good to see that there is still some potato heads left in this channel. |
| 04:21.22 | cseder | remember potato? |
| 04:21.35 | cseder | Best release ever. |
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| 04:26.32 | vectory_ | ,v ngspice |
| 04:26.38 | vectory_ | ,v ngspice-doc |
| 04:26.40 | judd | Package: ngspice on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 20-1 |
| 04:26.42 | judd | Package: ngspice-doc on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 20-1; jessie/non-free: 24-1; sid/non-free: 24-1; wheezy/non-free: 24-1 |
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| 04:27.34 | vectory_ | "E: Package 'ngspice' has no installation candidate"? |
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| 04:29.04 | themill | vectory_: it's in non-free; do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
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| 04:30.26 | vectory_ | themill: yes |
| 04:30.38 | vectory_ | i can install ngspice-doc |
| 04:31.06 | themill | vectory_: which release of debian are you using? |
| 04:31.12 | oren | here are 2 pics from my installer: http://i.imgur.com/BSol8qC.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/dgMElzP.jpg what partition should i put my root FS on? the second line, the on that start with #1 ? |
| 04:31.27 | vectory_ | themill: wheezy |
| 04:31.30 | themill | ,archs ngspice --release wheezy |
| 04:31.31 | judd | Package ngspice in wheezy: amd64 (24-1) |
| 04:32.01 | themill | vectory_: ngspice in wheezy is amd64 only. I *think* you can grab the source package and compile it yourself for i386 though. |
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| 04:32.07 | themill | dpkg: tell vectory_ about package recompile |
| 04:32.42 | vectory_ | themill: oh, ok |
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| 04:36.01 | cseder | I've tried searching around for a so called "rolling-release" based on debian. I came over Linux Mind Debian Edition, but with their own packaging scheme and all, is this truely a rolling release? Or would Sid be considered a rolling release? |
| 04:36.17 | cseder | Mind/Mint |
| 04:36.42 | vectory_ | testing is pretty much rolling afaict |
| 04:38.10 | cseder | I mean, if I install Sid, and don't change anything in my sources.list, wouldn't this constantly point to the current testing release of Debian? |
| 04:38.28 | oren | vectory_: u are my hero. there is nothing wrong with taking screenshots using a camera |
| 04:39.35 | cseder | Screenshots with a camera?? Ok. No internet connection? (or usb stick, network, what so ever)? |
| 04:41.08 | themill | cseder: sid ≠ testing. It's rolling for some definition of rolling and with it you get all the pain of having things break on a regular basis. You might find testing ("jessie") better suits your needs although it still makes more sense for people who want to work on their computer all the time rather than just get on and use it |
| 04:41.13 | cseder | for a USB install, should I choose "iso-hybrid" to be able too use the Live system? |
| 04:42.40 | oren | cseder: i use netinst |
| 04:43.13 | cseder | So, maybe the mint option isn't all that bad? they recieve the packages from testing when they're "ready enough" not to break the system... |
| 04:45.22 | themill | cseder: no idea, but that's what the testing distribution already is... stuff that managed not to break anyone's machine too badly in 10 days from upload. Mint claims to be debian compatible except we know that they are not. You'd have to ask them. |
| 04:45.54 | cseder | ahh.. I see. |
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| 04:46.13 | paxcoder | does anyone know how to get gdm to offer "hibernate"? |
| 04:47.00 | cseder | But if I install Wheezy and do a dist-upgrade... Will that put me in "testing" mode? |
| 04:47.47 | cseder | Or in "hell mode"? |
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| 04:48.20 | vectory_ | cseder: no it wont, unless you change your sources.kist |
| 04:48.27 | vectory_ | *sources.list |
| 04:48.49 | vectory_ | and im not sure thats the prefered way to switch |
| 04:48.50 | themill | cseder: I suggest you spent some time learning about debian before running pre-release stuff that might eat your first born. |
| 04:49.24 | cseder | I've used debian since Potato on and off... |
| 04:49.37 | cseder | that's about ten years |
| 04:49.53 | cseder | but only stable |
| 04:49.54 | themill | well you're asking questions that indicate you don't understand how the debian release cycle works and since you want to dive into the middle of it, you might want to understand that better |
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| 04:50.27 | themill | dpkg: tell cseder about releases |
| 04:50.41 | cseder | I absolutely have no idea about the release cycles |
| 04:51.31 | cseder | I've used Debian mostly as a server platform, but now I was thinking of trying a more up-to-date desktop version... |
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| 04:52.09 | cseder | I've been using Ubuntu since version 1, but I don't like it anymore. |
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| 04:54.24 | mischief | yay |
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| 04:56.41 | totimkopf | hi, I am trying to find an info/manpage that might give a list of frontend types that can be used with dpkg-reconfigure, could someone please point me in the right direction? |
| 04:57.21 | themill | totimkopf: debconf(7) |
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| 04:59.02 | totimkopf | themill: thank you, sir |
| 04:59.09 | themill | np |
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| 05:12.00 | tapout | how do you identify 3rd party packages that may be installed? |
| 05:12.14 | tapout | that are installed, i am going to update to 7.0 |
| 05:12.15 | tapout | wheezy |
| 05:13.53 | themill | aptitude search '?installed?not(?origin(Debian))' |
| 05:14.48 | tapout | wow thank you! |
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| 06:02.44 | tapout | what flood? |
| 06:02.48 | tapout | i didn't see anything |
| 06:03.09 | tapout | must be join flooding |
| 06:03.14 | tapout | i have it disabled :) |
| 06:03.44 | tapout | is there a way to probe/audit whether my 7.1 upgrade is 100% completed? |
| 06:03.52 | tapout | aptitude visual mode, with 'g' has 'nothing..' |
| 06:03.55 | tapout | so I think i'm good |
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| 06:06.23 | rwp | tapout, If "aptitude safe-upgrade" is empty then you are done. Personally I use "apt-get upgrade". |
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| 06:07.30 | tapout | sweet, thanks |
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| 06:08.08 | pkay | hello. just finished with a netinstall with my sources.list set to the jessie repositories. but i'm having a problem. anytime i switch from a X session to the CLI (by logging out, or simply CTRL+ALT + 1), the computer crashes and displays a gray flickering screen. what do you suggest i check first |
| 06:08.09 | totimkopf | are apt-get -b source <package> and apt-get build-dep <package> essentially the same thing? |
| 06:08.44 | pkay | i've installed xorg with xfce4, and slim. i've tried changing the login manager and the window manager, still the same problem |
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| 06:09.30 | tapout | i've got /dev/md3, and i noticed in dmesg, a lot of /dev/sdb errors ... How can I probe the raid setup to see that /dev/sdb is failing or whatever? |
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| 06:10.20 | themill | totimkopf: no. The first one tries to download the source and build the package; the second installs the packages that would be required to build the package. |
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| 06:19.23 | rwp | tapout, Start with 'cat /proc/mdstat'. Are the arrays happy? |
| 06:19.41 | rwp | tapout, Then look at 'mdadm --detail /dev/md3' |
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| 06:20.57 | tapout | rwp, thanks man. It says it's Active/working, no failed |
| 06:21.18 | tapout | [6294949.268395] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1393925160 |
| 06:21.43 | rwp | tapout, Then look at the individual disks with smartctl. "smartctl -l error /dev/sda" "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" |
| 06:22.00 | rwp | Same for /dev/sdb. If you aren't running selftests then start. "smartctl -t short /dev/sda" |
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| 06:24.04 | rwp | tapout, If your sdb disk is failing then it is time to replace it. |
| 06:24.07 | tapout | hrmm, completed without error |
| 06:24.26 | rwp | tapout, You can verify the SN of the drives with "smartctl -i /dev/sda". |
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| 06:24.49 | pkay | updating to the proprietary ATI drivers fixed it |
| 06:25.17 | rwp | Strange that your kernel would be reporting errors but not smart. SMART is not great. But it does usually confirm failures. |
| 06:25.20 | tapout | rwp, many thanks.. i will submit a ticket to have sdb replaced.. and i will watch for the SN |
| 06:25.48 | rwp | If you have two identical drives knowing the serial number is good because otherwise you might replace the wrong drive. |
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| 06:27.59 | tapout | ya man, i want to also make sure they replace it |
| 06:28.11 | tapout | many thanks again, I am going to sleep on this and will watch tomorrow |
| 06:28.12 | tapout | cheers |
| 06:28.29 | rwp | cheers |
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| 06:38.06 | totimkopf | themill: aha, thank you. I guess they are actually used together, most of the time, then, right? |
| 06:39.07 | themill | totimkopf: yes. Although I'd normally use mk-build-deps (/msg dpkg mk-build-deps) so that I can more easily remove the build-deps after I'm done, assuming I'm not doing the build inside a disposable chroot. |
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| 07:05.44 | totimkopf | the override specifier for purging with aptitude isn't really clear to me, sudo aptitude package= #would this purge? |
| 07:06.15 | themill | _ not = |
| 07:06.50 | totimkopf | ah, I'm blind |
| 07:06.57 | totimkopf | thanks yet again themill |
| 07:07.06 | themill | :) |
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| 07:26.01 | rmdashrf | jmcnaught: i managed to fix my tearing issues. It turns out that I needed a window compositor after all. I installed compton and used the opengl backend, and now there is no more tearing :) Thanks for your help |
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| 07:29.34 | lionrouge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.25 | mumpitze1 | lionrouge: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive.html |
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| 07:32.40 | jmcnaught | rmdashrf: i'm glad to hear you got it working |
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| 07:33.50 | totimkopf | the main difference between the override specifiers: +M and &M is that the former installs while the latter just marks it as 'automatically installed', correct? |
| 07:34.00 | lionrouge | do you know how to start boot from floppy, load necessary drivers (including CD-ROM) and then continue from CD? |
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| 07:39.25 | archetech | lionrouge, how much mhz/ram do you have? curious |
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| 07:40.49 | mumpitze1 | lionrouge: I remember starting hamm directly from CD. no floppies needed |
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| 07:42.39 | lionrouge | 16MB RAM |
| 07:43.00 | lionrouge | i don't think my BIOS support it |
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| 07:48.24 | Originooo | exit |
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| 07:49.05 | PukeTibet420 | waddup cunts. |
| 07:50.18 | PukeTibet420 | I want to meet some shemales from the 801 area code. |
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| 07:53.34 | Vicissitude | when you decide to stop trolling, you might notice this is a support channel for Debian |
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| 08:03.44 | jmd | I dunno if this is a debian question per se, but after upgrading to wheezy, gdm no longer has an option to select the keyboard type. How do I get it back again? |
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| 08:07.03 | mamtina | hello o/ |
| 08:07.38 | mamtina | how to know the window manager which is running ? |
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| 08:10.09 | jmd | mamtina, I can only suggest "ps ax | less" |
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| 08:11.07 | mumpitze1 | mamtina: use pstree, then at least you can narrow it down better. would be a child of your X process |
| 08:11.55 | mamtina | I want to know if I'm on gdm, or xdm, or ...... |
| 08:12.15 | Vicissitude | my inelegance would have me doing "ps ax | grep -i dm" |
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| 08:13.06 | mumpitze1 | a windowmanager is no displaymanager. and slim won't be found by this either afaik |
| 08:13.31 | mumpitze1 | mamtina: ls /etc/rc2.d/S99* |
| 08:13.38 | mumpitze1 | that should tell you which one it is |
| 08:14.47 | mamtina | I don't have any of those files S99* |
| 08:15.39 | mamtina | I think I have to use: "ps ax | grep -i dm" |
| 08:15.58 | mamtina | thanks guys :) |
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| 08:16.53 | babilen | looking at /etc/X11/default-display-manager is typically a good idea |
| 08:17.51 | mamtina | perfect \o/ |
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| 08:19.29 | Atlantic777 | Hi guys! I've got an interesting situation. Something went wrong and I tried to restart X but then funny things started to happen. Computer is stucked with broken X, I can't go into tty and firstly I could log in through ssh but when I tryed to restart X from there, that ssh session got stuck too. Now I can't even log in through ssh, it prompts me for password, responds if the password is wrong but when I enter the right password, I can't g |
| 08:19.45 | Atlantic777 | Here's ssh -vvv log, but I can see nothing interesting: https://paste.lugons.org/show/301joNKEOPI9J98e3thJ/ |
| 08:19.48 | mumpitze1 | Atlantic777: that's nice but please go back to ubuntu |
| 08:19.54 | mumpitze1 | Atlantic777: that's nice but please go back to ubuntu#ubuntu |
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| 08:20.12 | Atlantic777 | mumpitze1: why is it wrong to ask here, too? |
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| 08:20.19 | mumpitze1 | !ubuntu |
| 08:20.20 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:20.22 | itz | how well is a apt-get dist-install "downgrade" from sid to jessie likely to work? |
| 08:20.33 | itz | or should I forget the idea and reinstall? |
| 08:20.34 | mumpitze1 | itz: not at all |
| 08:20.43 | Vicissitude | I don't think you can downgrade |
| 08:20.51 | itz | ok that was my guess :) |
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| 08:21.13 | Atlantic777 | mumpitze1: well, it's a problem with ssh not with ubuntu. |
| 08:21.32 | mumpitze1 | itz: since jessie currently gets packages more or less automatically from unstable, put jessie in your sources.list and wait. sooner or later you run jessie. unless you really want to change now since something is badly broken. if so, switch to jessie and try to fix the broken things manually |
| 08:21.55 | mumpitze1 | Atlantic777: it's a problem on ubuntu. we don't support ubuntu here. ask ##linux, they support every linux flavour |
| 08:22.02 | Atlantic777 | Or if it's not ssh it's some other thing not related to ubuntu stuff. |
| 08:22.27 | mumpitze1 | Atlantic777: it is ubuntu, that's all that matters. please respect this. #ubuntu will not support anything else but ubuntu either |
| 08:23.11 | Atlantic777 | mumpitze1: well I really dislike this kind of help. I don't like ubuntu either but I will help every user of open source software. Is this some kind of policy on this channel? |
| 08:23.35 | Atlantic777 | Hm, I would really like to know if it is. :) |
| 08:24.09 | mumpitze1 | yes it is a policy of #debian and #ubuntu both |
| 08:24.17 | babilen | Atlantic777: We only support pure Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons. And yes, that is channel policy. You can ask in ##linux for distribution independent help or in #ubuntu for Ubuntu specific help. You are also more than welcome to install Debian and seek support in here. (just like we are free to join #ubuntu and help there) |
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| 08:24.40 | mumpitze1 | which is why the resident bot dpkg told you that ubuntu users are not supported. same goes for ubottu in #ubuntu. now please stop arguing |
| 08:25.51 | itz | mumpitze1: ah thanks an interesting idea |
| 08:25.52 | Atlantic777 | Ok, in that case I'm really sorry and I'll respect it. |
| 08:26.26 | babilen | Atlantic777: Thanks, good luck |
| 08:26.43 | itz | oh and I remember testing didn't necessarily get security updates (at least a few years back) .. is that still the case? |
| 08:26.52 | babilen | yes |
| 08:27.23 | babilen | itz: You can, however, typically grab packages from unstable quite easily if the need arises. |
| 08:27.24 | mumpitze1 | itz: neither does unstable |
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| 08:28.56 | babilen | Well, unstable doesn't need a specific security support channel as DDs can upload directly to it. And the security support for stable is typically especially interesting if bugfixes have to be ported. Detailed information about security problems in specific releases can be found in our tracker of doom and with tools such as debsecan. |
| 08:29.01 | babilen | dpkg: tracker of doom |
| 08:29.02 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 08:29.11 | babilen | (manually curated) |
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| 08:30.04 | sunrpm_88 | good morning |
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| 08:31.58 | babilen | m( |
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| 08:35.34 | rmdashrf | i'm trying to install debian on my laptop from a USB; the installer says it can't find the cdrom (expected). But when I actually go look at the devices under /dev, I don't see my USB (which I am booting from). What could be the issue here? |
| 08:36.08 | mumpitze1 | rmdashrf: did you create your usb stick with unetbootin? |
| 08:36.16 | babilen | most definitely ;) |
| 08:36.17 | rmdashrf | i used dd and unetbootin |
| 08:36.21 | rmdashrf | err |
| 08:36.33 | rmdashrf | first i used unetbootin, and then I just dd'd the iso* |
| 08:36.47 | babilen | rmdashrf: unetbootin is known to break our installers, what was the *exact* dd command you used ? |
| 08:36.51 | marcusk | Which iso did you use? |
| 08:37.09 | rmdashrf | i used the debian testing iso, dd if=debian-testing.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=512k |
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| 08:37.30 | marcusk | I've had the same problem yesterday as well |
| 08:37.38 | marcusk | Probably a bug in the image |
| 08:37.50 | babilen | rmdashrf: The testing images really shouldn't be used at this point in the release cycle. The installer team does not consider them usable at all and I would strongly recommend to use the stable installer. |
| 08:37.55 | mumpitze1 | another reason why one should never install from testing images |
| 08:38.13 | rmdashrf | alright, i'll try the normal ISOs and dist-upgrade from there |
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| 08:38.16 | marcusk | I think mini.iso might work better |
| 08:38.28 | babilen | rmdashrf: I would also recommend to use the stable installer to install wheezy and not testing and a minimal system at that. Once you have that system (with the standard task) installed you can upgrade it to testing. |
| 08:39.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell rmdashrf -about firmware images |
| 08:40.01 | babilen | rmdashrf: I would, in particular, recommend to use that image as it contains firmware. The installer might still prompt you for it, but you can safely ignore that. |
| 08:40.30 | rmdashrf | thanks for the link, i'll go try those images first, and if they don't work I'll just use the stable installer |
| 08:40.45 | mooperd | I am setting up socks proxies with "ssh -D2001 root@ip". I would like to be able to see how much data is flowing over this socket. It is possible to use netcat to "scan" what is going on here and pipe it into pv? |
| 08:41.29 | babilen | rmdashrf: I would furthermore recommend to use cp rather than dd to copy the data or dcfldd in lieu of dd. If you end up using one of the dd like tools you probably want to use a larger blocksize (>= 1M) and you shouldn't forget to sync afterwards. cp will scale the blocksize automagically to a "good" value |
| 08:41.43 | mumpitze1 | mooperd: iptraf can |
| 08:42.03 | babilen | rmdashrf: The link the bot send you *is* the stable (wheezy) installer - it differs from the "official" installer only in that it contains firmware already. |
| 08:42.27 | mooperd | mumpitze1: so just use iptraf to monitor port 2001 |
| 08:42.44 | rmdashrf | Ah, I see |
| 08:43.11 | mumpitze1 | mooperd: it will "Monitor" everything. including that port |
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| 08:47.02 | rmdashrf | babilen: the stable installer works. thanks for your help |
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| 08:49.36 | babilen | rmdashrf: great, enjoy! |
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| 08:50.14 | zRecursive | which is faster bwteen KVM and VBox ? |
| 08:50.39 | ikonia | "faster" sigh |
| 08:50.58 | zRecursive | and which needs little RAM ? |
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| 08:52.22 | mjt | zRecursive: how about "virtualbox is more desktop-friendly" ? |
| 08:52.23 | zRecursive | i want to choose one to install WindowsXP |
| 08:52.55 | mjt | speed and memory requiriments are about the same |
| 08:53.16 | SixtyFold | i would use vbox personally, but i just have the most use with that of the two |
| 08:53.20 | mumpitze1 | zRecursive: your VM will use more memory than the VM hosting software |
| 08:53.32 | zRecursive | mjt: but using KVM, i donot care about the Kernel Module |
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| 08:54.06 | mjt | kvm _is_ a kernel module :) |
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| 08:54.31 | mumpitze1 | and qemu is the actual VM hosting software |
| 08:54.38 | zRecursive | yeah, kvm will be upgraded according to linux kernel |
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| 08:54.55 | mumpitze1 | zRecursive: so will the vbox kernel module |
| 08:54.58 | zRecursive | i just need to care about QEMU |
| 08:55.58 | zRecursive | mumpitze1: vbox kernel module needs upgraded manually once linux kernel upgrading |
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| 08:57.24 | mjt | there's virtualbox-source package which will do that automatically, i guess |
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| 08:57.49 | mjt | but i know right to nothing about vbox anyway |
| 08:58.02 | zRecursive | oh |
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| 08:58.15 | mumpitze1 | zRecursive: no it doesn't |
| 08:58.24 | mumpitze1 | it happens all automaticlly via dkms |
| 08:58.44 | zRecursive | dkms ? |
| 08:59.07 | rmdashrf | dkms recompiles kernels modules automatically when the kernel is upgraded |
| 08:59.43 | mumpitze1 | !dkms |
| 08:59.43 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 08:59.43 | zRecursive | ok, try KVM first. then VBox |
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| 09:00.27 | babilen | zRecursive: yeah, take a look at libvirt-bin and (might rather be what you are looking for) virt-manager |
| 09:00.49 | zRecursive | babilen: thx |
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| 09:10.13 | mjt | zRecursive: also keep in mind that at with qemu/kvm you have to be careful, it might not work fast enough out of the box and require some tweaking... :) |
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| 09:11.16 | zRecursive | mjt: thx |
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| 09:13.58 | mjt | zRecursive: one of the most often forgotten options of qemu/kvm is the (virtual) disk caching mode, older qemu/kvm had the worst (slowest) cache mode by default. When you install a new OS, I recommend using cache=unsafe, and for production/testing, cache=none/writeback |
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| 09:14.29 | mooperd | Does anyone have any idea other that iptraf on seeing what traffic is flowing over a port. I was hoping that some magic invocation of netcat would do it |
| 09:14.47 | mjt | no, netcat wont help you |
| 09:14.53 | mjt | but tcpdump will |
| 09:15.16 | zRecursive | mjt: i never used "cache" option before |
| 09:17.18 | mumpitze1 | mooperd: tcpdum, ethershark |
| 09:17.40 | mumpitze1 | if you want the actual traffic to show. above you wrote something about amount of traffic afaik |
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| 09:21.31 | jmd | How can I change the machine's default keyboard layout? |
| 09:21.52 | mumpitze1 | jmd: X or console? |
| 09:22.19 | jmd | For the whole system |
| 09:22.44 | mumpitze1 | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:22.52 | jmd | (X is just a program which the system can run) |
| 09:23.09 | mumpitze1 | !tell jmd about keymap |
| 09:23.23 | mumpitze1 | jmd: no, not "Just a program" where the keymap is considered |
| 09:24.01 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | mumpitze1 | jmd: there is a different way now, see what dpkg messaged you |
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| 09:25.48 | jmd | Ok thanks. |
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| 09:27.29 | jmd | Now the secnd part of my question is: How can I allow users to change the kemap at login time fom gdm (like the default behaviour in Lenny) |
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| 09:35.29 | totimkopf | I am having trouble locating the documentation for aptitude's 'Search Patterns', could someone please give me direction? |
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| 09:43.19 | musca | !aptitude search |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | methinks aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc package), http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html or ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 09:43.48 | itz | a quick google suggests recent qemu has cache=writeback by default |
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| 09:49.49 | totimkopf | strange, I have aptitude-doc-en installed yet I don't see anything that elaborates on Search Patterns |
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| 09:50.57 | Asmageddon | Guyssss, after the last system update the memory usage for every single process that uses GTK has skyrocketed |
| 09:51.10 | Asmageddon | From some 260M at boot, I'm now at 533M at boot |
| 09:51.21 | Asmageddon | And GTK wasn't even updated...... |
| 09:51.27 | Asmageddon | Is it nvidia's fault? |
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| 09:55.00 | bigbee | totimkopf: try looking at chapter 2 "search" |
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| 10:06.10 | totimkopf | bigbee: I see the documentation but I can't get info to read it for some reason :S |
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| 10:06.28 | totimkopf | whenever I type info aptitude I get the manpages instead |
| 10:07.48 | bigbee | go to /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html and use your browser to read it |
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| 10:08.21 | totimkopf | hehe, but isn't that what info is for? |
| 10:08.21 | bigbee | you will need to click on the index.html and go from there |
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| 10:08.43 | totimkopf | ok, I will try that instead, thanks bigbee |
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| 10:11.56 | honvai | How to set more than 2G in mk-debian on android |
| 10:11.59 | honvai | How to set more than 2G in mk-debian on android? |
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| 10:15.21 | honvai | i usual get lost of usless stuff an trying to make sense of my system but 2GBytes is too small |
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| 10:32.32 | Fivuk | Does anyone know any tools to rename 255 folders to 1 2 3 4 5 6 all the way up to 255 ? for windows xp? |
| 10:33.16 | daemonkeeper | looks at the channel name |
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| 10:34.04 | Fivuk | Does anyone know any tools to rename 255 folders to 1 2 3 4 5 6 all the way up to 255 ? for debian? |
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| 10:34.59 | smw | Fivuk, seq 255|xargs mkdir ? |
| 10:35.22 | smw | Fivuk, not sure how you would rename folders... |
| 10:35.23 | Fivuk | mkdir {1..255} did the trick ^_^ |
| 10:35.42 | smw | Fivuk, that looks better :-P |
| 10:35.50 | Asmageddon | Hey guys, I'm not 100% sure what has caused this, but ever since one of the previous updates, the RAM usage of any process using GTK has skyrocketed, making my RAM usage on boot go from ~240M up to ~560M |
| 10:35.53 | Asmageddon | Any ideas? |
| 10:36.14 | mjt | gtk2 => gtk3 change? :) |
| 10:36.24 | Fivuk | if I had say lol.txt how would I move a copy into each of the 255 made folders? |
| 10:36.29 | Fivuk | so instead of having to type mv lol.txt 1 mv lol.txt 2 mv lol.txt 3 etc etc? |
| 10:36.40 | Asmageddon | mjt: If that's it, can I undo it? |
| 10:36.48 | Asmageddon | I don't have the RAM to sustain RAM usage this insane |
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| 10:37.29 | daemonkeeper | Fivuk: find . -name lol.txt -exec for i in `seq 1 255` ; do ; cp {} $i ; done \; -- something like that. |
| 10:37.50 | mjt | Fivuk: for i in $(seq 1 255); do cp lol.txt $i/; done |
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| 10:38.10 | Fivuk | thanks mjt |
| 10:38.10 | mjt | (i'd use ln instead of cp) |
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| 10:39.17 | mjt | Asmageddon: note the smile at the end of my statement - i dunno, just a wild guess, you'll have to find out which apps are those, whenever they're really using gtk3 (ldd will tell you, also ls -l /proc/$PID/fd/). if that's the case, there's no way to undo except of installing older version of the said apps. |
| 10:39.41 | Raazeer | hi all, where are bug reports about broken package dependencies properly filed? |
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| 10:40.11 | Asmageddon | mjt: Dunno, I believe no apps were actually updated, just libs |
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| 10:40.16 | mjt | Raazeer: if a package A is broken, you file bug against package A... no? |
| 10:40.20 | Asmageddon | Might it be the fault of a new version of nvidia? |
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| 10:40.55 | user2 | does anyone know how to get hexchat for debian |
| 10:40.56 | Raazeer | mjt, I assume so, but actually I wanted to know where the bug tracker is located. |
| 10:41.06 | mjt | Asmageddon: unlikely but possible - like after updating nvidia driver, x color depth changed from 16 to 32 bits for example. |
| 10:41.31 | Asmageddon | Um, I'm quite sure it was always 32 bits |
| 10:41.31 | mjt | Raazeer: reportbug package in debian, bugs.debian.org |
| 10:41.50 | user2 | i don't see hexchat in the debian wheezy repositories |
| 10:41.57 | Raazeer | mjt, thanks. |
| 10:42.06 | mjt | Raazeer: bug reporting in debian is done using email |
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| 10:42.23 | smw | user2, isn't hexchat just xchat? |
| 10:42.34 | Raazeer | ah, there's the reportbug program, I'l try that |
| 10:42.58 | user2 | smw..don''t ask me...but there is a separate #hexchat on freenode |
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| 10:43.21 | mjt | Raazeer: reportbug is preferred way, but it works only if email works on your system (not web-mail) |
| 10:43.44 | mjt | (ie, if you have a mail transfer agent (mta) working) |
| 10:43.50 | Raazeer | mjt I guess I can make it so |
| 10:46.01 | Raazeer | mjt, no problem there, it will work fine if you hand it an smtp server adress. |
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| 10:46.30 | mjt | yeah |
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| 10:47.44 | Raazeer | ah, already reported. |
| 10:47.53 | user2 | i am debating whether i should update anything on wheezy |
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| 10:47.57 | Raazeer | bugreport is a kewl tool. |
| 10:48.15 | user2 | some people say "If it ain't broke don't fix it" |
| 10:48.26 | Raazeer | user2 what's wrong with debian wheezy? |
| 10:48.30 | mjt | it's reportbug not bugreport? And you can go to http://bugs.debian.org/PACKAGENAME to see bugs in that package |
| 10:48.50 | bigbee | just starting out and wondered if using debian i would be using selinux at the same time |
| 10:48.51 | mjt | anything ON wheezy or TO wheezy? |
| 10:48.56 | user2 | Raazeer...well i don't see any problems..but i am wondering if i should update anything.. |
| 10:49.20 | Raazeer | mjt, my bad ^^, and _reportbug_ is listing the bugs for me too btw. That's how I learned the bug is already filed. |
| 10:49.21 | mjt | bigbee: it isn't enabled by default, you have to enable it explicitly |
| 10:50.09 | bigbee | mjt: thanks, didn't know and with all this stuff about the NSA i was just wondering |
| 10:50.43 | mjt | you can trivially turn it off even if it were enabled by default |
| 10:50.43 | Raazeer | user2, I make it a policy to keep both stable and testing repos in my sources.list, and give stable a much higher priority. that way if I ever really _need_ something from testing, I can just "apt-get install packagename/testing" and will get it, but usually won't have trouble with bugs |
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| 10:51.30 | Asmageddon | mjt: Nope, the apps are linked to gtk 2 |
| 10:51.39 | Asmageddon | Which would mean that nvidia is indeed the most likely culprit |
| 10:51.42 | mjt | Raazeer: you don't need priorities for that. Use `APT::Default-Release wheezy;' in /etc/apt/apt.conf and be done with that ;) |
| 10:51.49 | Raazeer | user2, in principle, my setup is similar to what one uses to downgrade from testing to stable, so google for that if you want details. |
| 10:52.06 | Raazeer | mjt, or like that, yes. |
| 10:52.07 | Asmageddon | Is there a way to downgrade the nvidia drivers? |
| 10:52.34 | mjt | Asmageddon: maybe it's better to just add more RAM ? :) |
| 10:52.39 | Raazeer | Asmageddon, ftp into the nvidia site and see if older versions are available, then uninstall and install the older version. |
| 10:52.44 | Asmageddon | Not an option, I'm piss poor |
| 10:52.57 | Asmageddon | If I wasn't I wouldn't be struggling with 1GiB of DDR1 RAM |
| 10:53.09 | mjt | ddr*1* ?? |
| 10:53.13 | mjt | that's damn expensive |
| 10:53.35 | Raazeer | Asmageddon, with that you should definitely qualify for a stipend from the salvation army ^^ |
| 10:54.11 | user2 | what is the apt command if you just want to see the suggested upgrade packages but don't actually want to upgrade at the moment. |
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| 10:54.33 | Raazeer | user2, depends on what's in your sources.list |
| 10:54.34 | mjt | apt-get install -s |
| 10:54.43 | mjt | (-s for simulate) |
| 10:54.55 | Raazeer | ah, I see, missed that. sorry. |
| 10:55.04 | user2 | mjt would it be apt-get upgrade -s |
| 10:55.14 | user2 | to see what is listed |
| 10:55.16 | mjt | well, whatever :) |
| 10:55.17 | Asmageddon | Hmm. I wonder if I should consider installing nouveau. I don't use HW acceleration for anything anyway |
| 10:55.19 | Asmageddon | How does it work? |
| 10:55.30 | Raazeer | user2 that command would be to see what apt-get would do if it weren't for that -s switch |
| 10:55.46 | user2 | Raazeer..yes that is what i am asking |
| 10:56.03 | Raazeer | user2 try it out, it's safe |
| 10:56.12 | Raazeer | you can even run it without privileges. |
| 10:56.44 | user2 | all i see listed is just a bunch of jdk stuff which i have no interest in |
| 10:57.00 | mjt | the security update? |
| 10:57.03 | mjt | ;) |
| 10:57.45 | Asmageddon | Ok, let's try rebooting with nouveau instead of nvidia |
| 10:57.51 | mjt | there were an openjdk security update a few days ago, fixing some 25 security issues |
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| 10:58.03 | batmite | user2: have you tried synaptic package manager? |
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| 10:58.37 | Raazeer | Asmageddon, I'd like to warn you that many people do not hold noveau in high regard. |
| 10:58.43 | user2 | batmite..yes but i don't see any upgrades in synaptic so i apt-get update and apt-get upgrade -s |
| 10:58.48 | Asmageddon | Raazeer: Why? |
| 10:58.57 | Raazeer | I'm not using it, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I thought i'd mention it. |
| 10:59.08 | mjt | well, both nvidia and nouveau has their bad and good sides |
| 10:59.26 | mjt | and i'd say the overall is about on par with each other :) |
| 10:59.30 | user2 | batmite...i don't see anything to really upgrade right now...but i don't use it for very much |
| 10:59.44 | Asmageddon | All I really need is for it to work and xv for mplayer |
| 11:00.04 | Raazeer | lol, for that it should be adequate Asmageddon |
| 11:00.05 | user2 | batmite..but synaptic and software update don't show anything as suggested upgrades. |
| 11:00.16 | mjt | nvidia has more features working, but it is closed-source and is hated by developers, while noveau might be lacking but easier to deal with |
| 11:00.36 | Raazeer | mjt, easier to deal with in what way? |
| 11:00.47 | batmite | user2: your system could be up to date. |
| 11:00.52 | mjt | less dependent on kernel for a start |
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| 11:01.12 | mjt | i remember when i had nvidia card it was real pita to run it on new kernels |
| 11:01.24 | Raazeer | mjt, ok, point conceded. always having to recompile nvidia is a pain in the you-know-what. |
| 11:01.30 | user2 | batmite..no it is not uptodate...because the manual commands still show some suggested jre/jdk stuff |
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| 11:01.38 | mjt | provided it works with the kernel you need. |
| 11:02.00 | user2 | batmite...but i don't care about that stuff and i don't use it anyway.. |
| 11:02.00 | Raazeer | especially since lately the kernel won't let you rmmod the nvidia module any more once it is in. |
| 11:02.26 | Raazeer | meaning in other words you have to disable the display manager, reboot, install nvidia, re-enable the display manager. |
| 11:02.33 | mjt | beause for example right now i'm working with a git version of kernel (past 3.10) in order to build stuff in qemu which uses just committed features to kernel... and there's no nvidia drivers available for 3.10 yet :) |
| 11:03.22 | Raazeer | mjt, again: point conceded, but you just _might_ be a little on the side of the bell curve there... |
| 11:03.29 | user2 | batmite..ok now i see stuff in software update...after manually doing apt-get update |
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| 11:03.52 | Raazeer | user2, what made you think apt-get update would be automatic? |
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| 11:04.03 | mjt | Raazeer: i'm not... i don't have nvidia card anymore.. and the one i still do have (in my old laptop) does not work with NEITHER nvidia driver NOR noveau :) |
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| 11:04.20 | Raazeer | mjt, needs the old nv, eh? |
| 11:04.21 | user2 | Raazeer...it doesn't matter to me. |
| 11:04.52 | ido2 | for nouveau: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxOTg |
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| 11:05.42 | mjt | dpkg: welcome back |
| 11:05.43 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 11:06.15 | user2 | ok now i see stuff in synapic ....install/upgradeable option...after manually doing the apt-get update thing |
| 11:06.34 | user2 | but it is all just that jdk/jre stuff |
| 11:06.51 | user2 | which i am trying to get away from |
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| 11:07.10 | batmite | user2: in synaptic "reload all" and "mark upgrades' is = to apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:07.32 | batmite | user2: google, you'll fig it out :) |
| 11:07.34 | user2 | batmite..ok thanks for the top |
| 11:07.37 | user2 | tip |
| 11:08.06 | batmite | np |
| 11:08.10 | Fivuk | Help! - for i in {1..255}; do pushd $i && ./scan $i.* 2 && popd; done <--- IT WAITS for the first one to finish before it starts the next exe how do I make it do them all at once? |
| 11:08.46 | mjt | replace && with & after scan |
| 11:09.01 | Raazeer | user2, mind that synaptic overrides some of the settings apt-get and aptitude adhere to |
| 11:09.12 | Fivuk | mjt, sec. |
| 11:09.49 | Fivuk | no luck mjessome |
| 11:09.54 | Fivuk | no luck mjt - |
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| 11:09.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:09.59 | Raazeer | synaptic is a guess-what-the-user-might-want like tool. |
| 11:10.03 | Fivuk | -bash: pushd: 1: No such file or directory |
| 11:10.13 | Fivuk | still is only doing it one at a time :S |
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| 11:10.36 | Posterdati | please I installed the kernel-source for 3.2, in the /usr/src there are a patch file too, how can I apply these patch to the 3.2 kernell tree? |
| 11:10.45 | mjt | fwell, it should work, but you might as well change inside loop into a subshell. |
| 11:11.07 | mjt | Fivuk: for i in {1..255}; do ( cd $i && ./scan $i.* 2 ) & done |
| 11:11.08 | Fivuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.09 | Fivuk | [1] 15531 |
| 11:11.09 | Fivuk | -bash: pushd: 1: No such file or directory |
| 11:11.14 | mjt | heh |
| 11:11.14 | mjt | sure |
| 11:11.19 | Fivuk | Then it only launches one process waiting for it to finish before the next one starts |
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| 11:11.22 | mjt | you replaced the wrong && |
| 11:11.23 | Fivuk | want them to all start at once |
| 11:11.26 | ZExo | O/ Bonjour à tous ! Je ne trouves pas le pilote "spca5xx/LE gspca v4l1/v4l2" de ma webcam logitech pour DEBIAN. Comment faire ? Quelqu'un peut-il m'aider à installer ma webcam ? |
| 11:11.31 | Fivuk | oh duh mjt sorry not my day |
| 11:11.47 | mjt | & is "background the previous command" thing |
| 11:11.53 | Fivuk | Its working mjt! ^_^ |
| 11:12.16 | ZExo | O/ Bonjour à tous ! Je ne trouves pas le pilote "spca5xx/LE gspca v4l1/v4l2" de ma webcam logitech pour DEBIAN. Comment faire ? Quelqu'un peut-il m'aider à installer ma webcam ? |
| 11:12.38 | mjt | !fr |
| 11:12.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:12.39 | user2 | well i don't have a clue what that jdk stuff is used for anyway..except possible some cloud apps that remove the users ability to control their own data |
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| 11:12.52 | Fivuk | thanx so much mjt |
| 11:12.53 | user2 | so i don't bother with it |
| 11:12.56 | batmite | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.06 | batmite | java dev kit i think.. |
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| 11:13.21 | mjt | user2: it is the java environment in your browser, among other things |
| 11:13.31 | user2 | batmite..yea...the only jar files i see floating around seem to all have to do with cloud computing..which i have no interest in |
| 11:13.43 | Fivuk | mjt 92% of 3GB of RAM is being used lol! |
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| 11:13.49 | mjt | user2: the most dangerous thing - external sites you visit run code on your machine, and if that have bugs, you're owned :) |
| 11:14.01 | batmite | ^ |
| 11:14.12 | Fivuk | rootkits right? |
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| 11:14.18 | mjt | jav |
| 11:14.20 | mjt | java |
| 11:14.22 | batmite | exploits in general |
| 11:14.27 | user2 | i would rather work with local apps i can keep the data from getting out...and delete if necessary |
| 11:15.00 | user2 | so i dont' care about those jar files i see |
| 11:15.01 | Fivuk | btw mjt my load averages went from 0.00 0.00 0.00 to 06:14:33 up 10:20, 2 users, load average: 785.76, 367.77, 141.85 |
| 11:15.18 | batmite | if your worried about java try "no script" for firefox |
| 11:16.15 | user2 | batmite..no i quit using 3rd party addons...and went to university js scripts for greasemonkey where they already get paid a teaching salary and have no incentive to manipulate your machine for further gains. |
| 11:16.36 | user2 | batmite..at least theoretically |
| 11:16.41 | mjt | heh. people always want more :) |
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| 11:16.59 | mjt | and want to have food etc when they move on :) |
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| 11:17.30 | Fivuk | 1475 LOAD AVERAGE. +o |
| 11:17.36 | Fivuk | 1475 LOAD AVERAGE. =o |
| 11:17.56 | mjt | you can create very high load averages trivially - it is called a fork bomb |
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| 11:18.31 | Fivuk | yeah but this is just from a few hundred process's running lol |
| 11:18.38 | mjt | echo 'sh ./foo &' > foo; sh ./foo |
| 11:18.43 | Fivuk | I'm scanning the entire internal network. |
| 11:18.58 | mjt | (do NOT do that ! :) |
| 11:19.06 | Fivuk | why not? |
| 11:19.16 | mjt | the forkbomb i provided above, not scanning |
| 11:19.22 | Fivuk | oh right lol |
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| 11:19.33 | Fivuk | that forkbomb would just freeze up a box right? Even without root priv? |
| 11:19.44 | user2 | mjt..ok so you are saying you can't even trust university people either? |
| 11:19.51 | batmite | lol |
| 11:19.57 | mjt | heh |
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| 11:20.26 | user2 | mjt..it reminds me of intel telling me don 't trust via, cyrix, amd, or anyone else. |
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| 11:21.37 | user2 | but i say Silk Road has many travellers |
| 11:22.12 | Fivuk | Scanning the entire internet 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 all at once for certain ports. - who recommends that? |
| 11:22.28 | mjt | skript kiddies |
| 11:22.31 | ignacio | a botnet did that some time ago |
| 11:22.33 | Fivuk | amen |
| 11:22.40 | Fivuk | But guess what |
| 11:22.42 | ignacio | there was an article |
| 11:23.03 | user2 | mjt..ok so you think the university people are just kiddies....and not serious efforts |
| 11:23.12 | Fivuk | The FBI are now putting out boxs and they are totally private and if they get scanned they investigate as to why/how it got scanned and if they suspect mass scanning they take down the box that scanned them haha |
| 11:23.31 | mjt | user2: i didn't say that, you're making it up. |
| 11:23.33 | batmite | the one that used default creds to use random ppls gear to aid in scanning? that was neato. |
| 11:23.48 | Raazeer | Fivuk, can't say I don't agree with that policy. |
| 11:23.51 | user2 | mjt...well i saw your comment about script kiddies |
| 11:23.59 | user2 | mjt and i was talking about js scripts |
| 11:24.13 | Raazeer | user2 you do know what the term script kiddie refers to? |
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| 11:24.19 | mjt | user2: it was comment about Fivuk's question not your :) |
| 11:24.23 | ignacio | it's quite vague |
| 11:24.23 | user2 | Raazeer...no i dont |
| 11:24.33 | Raazeer | user2 then google it please. |
| 11:24.40 | ignacio | batmite: that's the one |
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| 11:25.14 | totimkopf | script kiddie - a person who uses exploits without understanding how they work. This person is usually malicious |
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| 11:25.50 | totimkopf | that is my definition, anyway |
| 11:26.10 | user2 | there are 483000 articles discussing the possible meanings of "script kiddies" at google..i think i will just remain ignorant instead of trying to read 483000 articles |
| 11:26.20 | totimkopf | hehe |
| 11:26.45 | Fivuk | 06:24:57 up 10:30, 2 users, load average: 1752.40, 1217.34, 673.63 |
| 11:26.46 | Fivuk | lol |
| 11:26.47 | Raazeer | totimkopf, will you forgive me if I say that I consider script kiddies to be dead in the head? ^^ |
| 11:27.05 | Raazeer | *duckandrun> |
| 11:27.10 | ignacio | you mean the term is dead, or the people? |
| 11:27.12 | totimkopf | no :) |
| 11:27.16 | user2 | Raazeer..oh potentially malicious airheads |
| 11:27.16 | Fivuk | What's the command to kill all process's from a user? |
| 11:27.20 | Fivuk | like killall * debian |
| 11:27.20 | Fivuk | ? |
| 11:27.47 | mjt | Fivuk: there's no, but you can kill all processes of the same name. Like `killall scan' |
| 11:27.52 | Raazeer | ignacio, dead in the head is the english translation of totimkopf's nickname. |
| 11:27.54 | mjt | s/no/none/ |
| 11:28.03 | Fivuk | mjt just did that thanks killall scan - worked. |
| 11:28.13 | mjt | heh |
| 11:28.29 | Fivuk | BUT |
| 11:28.33 | mjt | so, first you ask how to run them all in parallel, next you ask how to kill them? :) |
| 11:28.33 | Fivuk | there is a pile of [scan] <defunct> |
| 11:28.34 | Fivuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.34 | Fivuk | :( |
| 11:28.42 | Fivuk | yeah just reconfiguring the setup |
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| 11:29.05 | Fivuk | oh no wait scan is all killed now it was just lagging nevermind lol |
| 11:29.20 | batmite | fivuk: whatcha scanning? |
| 11:29.24 | Raazeer | by the way, lazyness question: does debian log all the stuff it prints during startup to any file? |
| 11:29.53 | Fivuk | batmite, 192.168.1.* |
| 11:29.55 | user2 | i found at that midori also wants to support the greasemonkey stuff but they don't seem to have the degree of coverage that firefox does. |
| 11:30.07 | Fivuk | er, |
| 11:30.14 | Fivuk | batmite, 192.*.*.* batmite |
| 11:30.16 | user2 | not as many js scripts will work |
| 11:32.59 | batmite | how much trouble can you really get in for scanning? I cant imagine it breaking any laws.. |
| 11:33.17 | user2 | but you think they are "dead in the head" potentially malicious airheads |
| 11:33.37 | ignacio | worst case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg |
| 11:33.58 | Raazeer | batmite: legal or otherwise? legally rattling doors to see if they'll open isn't illegal, but try explaining to the cops that you were just checking and would have informed the owners |
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| 11:34.43 | batmite | raazeer: thats what i mean. even if you cant/wont explain it what can they do? it seems pretty passive. |
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| 11:35.19 | batmite | ignacio: :) great show |
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| 11:35.45 | Fivuk | batmite, - 2.63 GiB RAM used to scan 192.*.*.* lol |
| 11:35.53 | Fivuk | seems odd |
| 11:35.57 | Raazeer | batmite, also if you rattle doors in certain us states, the owner can legally shoot you for trespassing. |
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| 11:36.12 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 11:36.12 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:36.34 | batmite | fivuk: O_o |
| 11:36.39 | user2 | does anyone know why the debian kernel fails to implement hyperthreading on cpu0 |
| 11:36.54 | Fivuk | ur cpu is dying because debian supports hyperthreading user2 |
| 11:37.21 | Fivuk | intel shouldn't even use hyperthreading anyway, AMD know what they are doing you want physical cores not shitty logical/virtual ones haha |
| 11:37.28 | user2 | Fivuk..well it reports hyperthreading is disabled |
| 11:37.36 | Fivuk | turn it on in the bios |
| 11:37.44 | batmite | raazeer: good point |
| 11:38.01 | Fivuk | if you reboot into windows or any other OS and it says its working user2 then Im pretty sure debian would have a setting somewhere but it shouldn't be disabled by default |
| 11:38.04 | user2 | Fivuk there are no options for bios extensions....is there a way to manually adjust it |
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| 11:38.25 | Fivuk | user2, you really want that 2seconds processing boost huh?, sec. |
| 11:38.30 | user2 | Fivuk..i already tried that. |
| 11:38.55 | Fivuk | in the other OS does hyperthreading work user2? |
| 11:39.00 | user2 | Fivuk...not necessarily..just like to see if there are any problems with it implemented |
| 11:39.08 | musca | user2: what hardware is it? |
| 11:39.24 | user2 | Fivuk..Silk Road discount specials |
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| 11:39.56 | user2 | user3..i don't support any hardware manufacturer |
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| 11:40.14 | user2 | just whatever shows up in the junk piles or silk road specials |
| 11:40.26 | Fivuk | user2 can you type cat /proc/cpuinfo and pastebin the output or join a channel invite me and do /exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo via irssi and it'll paste it in the channel |
| 11:40.37 | Fivuk | it should be working by default, but some more details would help me help you |
| 11:40.46 | user2 | Fivuk..i can already tell you ht is an option but i will paste it |
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| 11:41.13 | Fivuk | Oh, you're just wondering how to enable the HT option user2? |
| 11:41.24 | user2 | yes |
| 11:41.28 | Fivuk | sec. |
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| 11:43.02 | user2 | there are about 10 lines of data ...do you want me to paste it here...or do you just want a couple of the lines |
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| 11:44.27 | Fivuk | Is hyperthreading support enabled in your kernel? |
| 11:44.27 | Fivuk | paste the lot at pastebin.com user2 - and gimmie the link |
| 11:44.27 | user2 | Fivuk..it is the debian kernel..so i did not change it |
| 11:44.27 | Fivuk | that's not actually what I asked but okay, uname -A what kernel version you running bud? |
| 11:44.27 | musca | !pastebin.com |
| 11:44.27 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:44.46 | Fivuk | ^ Bias, bull; pastebin is fine. |
| 11:45.02 | Fivuk | You'd probably say the same about gentoo just because it isn't #debian, heh. |
| 11:45.11 | musca | !pastebin |
| 11:45.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:45.23 | user2 | musca..i pasted it at pastebin.com under name george but it did not give me one of those numbers |
| 11:45.26 | Fivuk | musca, you're just flooding and not helping no one, please stop it. |
| 11:45.32 | Fivuk | user2 whats the url? |
| 11:45.39 | Fivuk | They are talking out their a*hole user2 ignore them |
| 11:45.42 | Fivuk | What's the url user2? |
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| 11:46.25 | user2 | KQBDHyp8 |
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| 11:47.02 | Fivuk | .com/KQBDHyp8 ? |
| 11:47.16 | Fivuk | okay Im viewing it |
| 11:47.36 | Fivuk | dude ... |
| 11:48.02 | Fivuk | That CPU according to: http://ark.intel.com/products/27429/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-1_80-GHz-512K-Cache-400-MHz-FSB - DOES NOT even have HyperThreading. |
| 11:48.08 | Fivuk | That'd be why it isn't working, lol. |
| 11:48.30 | user2 | Fivuk...well ht is detected and reported by the kernel |
| 11:48.50 | Fivuk | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz = No Hyperthreading. - So the kernel has an issue with your older hardware. |
| 11:49.00 | Fivuk | The Hardware was never released with Hyperthreading, ever, period. |
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| 11:49.21 | Fivuk | Go visit http://ark.intel.com/products/27429/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-1_80-GHz-512K-Cache-400-MHz-FSB - Makes no mention of Hyperthreading and nor would a single core that old. |
| 11:49.22 | user2 | Fivuk..ok so the kernel is not reporting valid options |
| 11:49.29 | Fivuk | ^ Technically, yes. |
| 11:49.41 | user2 | Fivuk..ok fine |
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| 11:50.26 | Fivuk | user2, one more thing even if it did have Hyperthreading and it just worked, at 1.80GHz you'd be lucky to see 5+seconds faster response times. |
| 11:50.31 | blubberdiblub | "Pentium 4 CPUs introduced the SSE2 and, in the Prescott-based Pentium 4s, SSE3 instruction sets to accelerate calculations, transactions, media processing, 3D graphics, and games. Later versions featured Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT), a feature to make one physical CPU work as two logical CPUs." |
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| 11:50.43 | user2 | Fivuk..what do you mean old...i know some people who used the model 1 until they died..and some people are still using the pc-xt...so what do you mean old? |
| 11:50.52 | Fivuk | blubberdiblub, yes LATER versions, not his blubberdiblub. |
| 11:51.08 | Fivuk | user2 Pentium 4 is old to say oh I dunno i7 lol |
| 11:51.24 | user2 | ok |
| 11:51.30 | Fivuk | Actually |
| 11:51.30 | blubberdiblub | Fivuk, well, the cpu itself reports it supports hyperthreading. that's quite a strong indication that it really does |
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| 11:51.40 | ectospasm | /proc/cpuinfo will report "ht" in it's options if the CPU supports hyperthreading. |
| 11:51.49 | Fivuk | Yeah blubberdiblub I would assume that by seeing the ht part |
| 11:51.56 | Fivuk | Yeah the CPU does support hyper threading, my bad user2. |
| 11:52.12 | Fivuk | However, I don't see why it is not just working right out the box my i3 works right away with hyper threading. |
| 11:52.15 | Fivuk | Interesting. |
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| 11:52.20 | user2 | Fivuk..well who knows..but is there a way to manually set bios |
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| 11:52.34 | user2 | for it ...or a kernel boot option to activate it |
| 11:52.59 | Fivuk | It should be enabled by default in the bios considering that output detected HT to being with, |
| 11:53.07 | user2 | is there a way to manually adjust a bios that has no option for it. |
| 11:53.07 | Fivuk | So technically it just has to be enabled somewhere in debian |
| 11:53.12 | blubberdiblub | maybe you just think it doesn't work but it actually does. do you actually have 2 threads or processes running at the same time? |
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| 11:53.16 | Fivuk | You don't need to adjust it in the bios |
| 11:53.24 | Fivuk | It's already enabled, the OS has detected it, |
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| 11:53.32 | Fivuk | You just need to the os to use it by enabling it somehow. |
| 11:53.38 | user2 | blubberdiblub..i have no idea...the kernel reports hypertreading is disabled. |
| 11:53.41 | ectospasm | again, if ht is enabled, /proc/cpuinfo will show more than one "core" |
| 11:53.43 | user2 | for cpu0 |
| 11:53.50 | blubberdiblub | i see |
| 11:54.06 | Fivuk | ectospasm, yes but the fact it found ht in the instruction set means the bios has it enabled otherwise it wouldn't of showed it. |
| 11:54.11 | Fivuk | So its just not enabled in the kernel |
| 11:54.31 | user2 | Fivuk...well maybe debian needs to work on its default kernel |
| 11:54.50 | Fivuk | user2 nah its fine, works automatically for me. What kernel version you running btw? |
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| 11:54.58 | Fivuk | /exec -o uname -a |
| 11:54.59 | user2 | what uname -r |
| 11:55.07 | Fivuk | or uname -a and paste it here |
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| 11:55.25 | user2 | Linux magic1 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:55.29 | blubberdiblub | user2, are there any lines in dmesg around the hyperthreading disabled line indicating why it disables it? |
| 11:55.41 | user2 | let me see |
| 11:55.43 | Fivuk | Don't ask him to sort through dmesg we will be here all day lol |
| 11:55.53 | Fivuk | might as well as do lspci for all the good that'll do haha |
| 11:56.19 | Fivuk | 3.2.0-4-686-pae - Is this box running on virtualization? |
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| 11:57.11 | user2 | NMI watchdog enabled, takes one hw-pmu counter. |
| 11:57.12 | user2 | [ 0.060003] Brought up 1 CPUs |
| 11:57.12 | user2 | [ 0.060003] Total of 1 processors activated (3589.06 BogoMIPS). |
| 11:58.05 | user2 | CPU0: Hyper-Threading is disabled |
| 11:58.06 | user2 | [ 0.004492] mce: CPU supports 4 MCE banks |
| 11:58.06 | user2 | [ 0.004509] CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM1) |
| 11:58.06 | user2 | [ 0.004609] SMP alternatives: switching to UP code |
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| 11:58.07 | Fivuk | user2 can you please do lspci |
| 11:58.18 | Fivuk | er |
| 11:58.29 | ectospasm | tell user2 that's what pastebin is for |
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| 11:59.15 | Fivuk | user2 can you please do lscpu and pastebin it. will tell if the kernel is just saying that, and tell me more about the threads and we can go from there. |
| 11:59.36 | user2 | well i only posted a couple of lines but it got me for flooding |
| 11:59.51 | user2 | Fivuk |
| 11:59.52 | Fivuk | Maximum paste = 2 lines of paste. |
| 11:59.52 | user2 | ok |
| 11:59.54 | ectospasm | you posted seven lines |
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| 12:00.12 | user2 | no on two separate counts...2 or 3 only at a time |
| 12:00.14 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell user2 -about pastebin |
| 12:00.44 | user2 | Fivuk..anyway i will post at pastebin as you suggest |
| 12:01.01 | ectospasm | user2: it appears HT is disabled in your BIOS |
| 12:01.27 | ectospasm | you'll have to consult your BIOS manual to determine how to enable it. |
| 12:01.35 | Fivuk | Just tells me more 'lscpu' works good sometimes kernel can say its disabled and lscpu can say show that it isn't and make sure your BIOS really does not have an option for HyperThreading such as on/off and I'm just looking to see if that version automatically has it disabled and how to enable it. |
| 12:02.00 | Fivuk | Thats what I thought ectospasm considering my i3 has Hyperthreading on by default |
| 12:02.03 | ectospasm | an SMP kernel should enable HT by default. |
| 12:02.07 | Fivuk | on his debian version |
| 12:02.12 | Fivuk | yeah exactly ectospasm |
| 12:02.25 | Fivuk | works for me ectospasm so you're right HIS BIOS is definately disabling it not debian |
| 12:02.29 | pythonsnake | what happens when i unrar an archive that is in a smb share? |
| 12:02.44 | Fivuk | ^ Nothing it'll conk out |
| 12:03.02 | Fivuk | I'm kidding, nothing it'll unextract providing you have permissions pythonsnake. |
| 12:03.18 | user2 | Fivuk 6Fk0BB64 |
| 12:03.18 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: it should unpack the archive in that SMB/CIFS share |
| 12:03.27 | pythonsnake | yeah but what unpacks it? |
| 12:03.35 | pythonsnake | the client? |
| 12:03.35 | Fivuk | Vieweing user2. |
| 12:03.38 | user2 | Fivuk but i don't see what info that adds |
| 12:03.46 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: the unrar utility |
| 12:03.52 | Fivuk | user2 -> Thread(s) per core: 1 <- HT is disabled in your BIOS for sure. |
| 12:03.59 | Fivuk | 1 should be two. |
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| 12:04.03 | pythonsnake | ectospasm: in the client |
| 12:04.07 | pythonsnake | so the client unpacks it? |
| 12:04.30 | Fivuk | BIOS has HT disabled user2, if the BIOS has no option for enabling it which it should, use a third party tool for your hardware to enable it |
| 12:04.36 | pythonsnake | so it is sent to the client, it unpacks it then it resends? |
| 12:04.38 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: this is an SMB shared to a Debian device? |
| 12:04.51 | pythonsnake | yeah |
| 12:04.52 | user2 | Fivuk..that is what i said...is there a way to get around bios limitations that don't have extensions enabled for user options |
| 12:04.58 | pythonsnake | ectospasm: debian server* |
| 12:05.03 | pythonsnake | android client |
| 12:05.27 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: then the SMB share just acts as storage. When the Linux unrar utility unpacks it, it runs on the Linux client, and stores the results on the SMB share |
| 12:05.28 | blubberdiblub | pythonsnake, yes, the compressed archive goes over the wire from server to client, client unpacks it, the uncompressed files go back over the wire from the client to the server |
| 12:05.35 | Fivuk | user2, I'm really not sure. |
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| 12:06.01 | user2 | Fivuk...well i keep watching coreboot but i don't see anything relevant at this time |
| 12:06.21 | Fivuk | user2 What hardware are you running? Like eg, Dell Inspirion 2200? What you running or what mobo brand/version? |
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| 12:06.28 | user2 | Fivuk and i am not sure coreboot works completely independently of missing bios options... |
| 12:06.31 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: you may be able to speed up the process by copying the .rar to local Debian storage, uncompressing it, and copying back over. |
| 12:06.34 | pythonsnake | blubberdiblub: so at 1-1.5mb/s as the transfer speed, unpacking a 1.5gb is gonna take a very long time :( |
| 12:06.55 | user2 | Fivuk..i don't support any of those goddamn hardware manufacturers..i work with silk road to use my own designs |
| 12:06.56 | Fivuk | SSD + Faster network = your solution pythonsnake |
| 12:07.11 | Fivuk | user2 theres your problem. What's your mobo? |
| 12:07.17 | user2 | Fivuk..i don't give permission for any of them to use my ideas either |
| 12:07.24 | Fivuk | lol |
| 12:07.29 | pythonsnake | ok thanks |
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| 12:07.48 | user2 | Fivuk..SilkRoad discount specials. |
| 12:08.03 | Fivuk | Thats what is printed on your mobo? I highly doubt it. |
| 12:08.15 | Fivuk | Your motherboard will say something like SilkRoad AS7X Version 2.0 |
| 12:08.19 | Fivuk | something like that. What does it say? |
| 12:08.25 | user2 | Fivuk...i always work on my own stuff...and i don't give permission for them to use sound or anything else |
| 12:08.27 | Fivuk | Do you know? or do I need to find out for you? |
| 12:08.29 | ectospasm | pythonsnake: still, at that transfer speed, it should take about 2,000 sec to complete, which is less than an hour. But you'll probably be able to speed things up by copying the archive locally. |
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| 12:10.15 | Fivuk | user2 "Silk Road is an online black market on the Deep Web. It is operated as a Tor hidden service," That's who you work with??? |
| 12:10.18 | Fivuk | Lol just kidding |
| 12:10.29 | user2 | Fivuk...like i said...i don't support any of those goddamn motherfuckers that are my competitors..and i don't give permission for them to use any of my ideas |
| 12:10.43 | Fivuk | ok |
| 12:10.46 | Fivuk | What I'm saying is this: |
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| 12:11.13 | Fivuk | how do you expect me to find a way to get your stubborn BIOS to turn on Hyperthreading in any way shape or form if I don't even know what motherboard you have? Custom or OEM, regardless. |
| 12:11.34 | user2 | Fivuk..simple i wait on freebios efforts to get the job done for everybody |
| 12:11.50 | abrotman | how is that related to Debian? |
| 12:11.50 | Fivuk | *Waiting it is then* Sorry I couldn't help much more then this bud. |
| 12:12.00 | Fivuk | It isn't abrotman lol |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | then take it elsewhere |
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| 12:12.15 | user2 | abrotman...well debian needs a kernel and that kernel may require certain bios functions |
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| 12:12.34 | user2 | abrotman...that is how it relates to debian. |
| 12:12.36 | Fivuk | worstadmin, nice host. |
| 12:12.39 | abrotman | Debian cannot control the implementation of the BIOS however |
| 12:13.05 | Fivuk | So, Windows can, which is junk, but Debian can't abrotman ? Weird. |
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| 12:15.10 | Fivuk | abrotman, I have swap, but my VPS is using 99% RAM and will soon be using 100% I have 40MB Ram left free, what happens when it utilizes 100% RAM does it just conk out and slow down or does it just use 100% ram and try avoid slow downs using the swap space? |
| 12:15.19 | Fivuk | 99% RAM USED, 7% SWAP. |
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| 12:15.38 | abrotman | !tell Fivuk about oom |
| 12:15.40 | Yasuo | hi there, when lighttpd (webdav+auth) says "sqlite3_open failed for /var/run/lighttpd/lighttpd.webdav_lock.db unable to open database file" |
| 12:15.45 | user2 | it just take patience but free software is coming along |
| 12:15.48 | abrotman | Fivuk: the OOM Killer will kick in |
| 12:15.54 | Yasuo | wich package do i need? |
| 12:16.03 | Yasuo | or just to create tha sql file? |
| 12:16.04 | abrotman | Yasuo: that's not a package |
| 12:16.25 | abrotman | Fivuk: oh, misread .. it'll begin using swap, until swap runs out |
| 12:16.29 | Fivuk | Great thing then abrotman because my vps just dropped from 99 to 98 40mb to 68mb free ram ^_^ |
| 12:16.36 | Fivuk | oh right abrotman thanks |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | Fivuk: at which point the OOM Killer will kick in |
| 12:16.53 | abrotman | Fivuk: in general, swap is slower, not something you really want to use aggressively |
| 12:17.01 | Fivuk | swap won't get used up thats 2GB with the 3GB RAM it has, I don't think OOM will come because I'm sure it'll be ok |
| 12:17.07 | Fivuk | yeah, |
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| 12:17.51 | Fivuk | 70MB Free RAM now, sweet its freeing up :) |
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| 12:17.59 | Fivuk | True stability right there, awesome debian. |
| 12:18.11 | pythonsnake | ectospasm: thanks |
| 12:18.15 | Fivuk | I've got this box way overloaded, even down to the network utilization and its still holding. |
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| 12:18.34 | abrotman | Yasuo: does that directory even exist? |
| 12:18.43 | abrotman | judd: file var/run/lighttpd/lighttpd.webdav_lock.db |
| 12:18.48 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:19.02 | Fivuk | abrotman, do you know of any tools like iftop for debian, that show me how much data traffic in MB is going out of eth0? |
| 12:19.24 | Fivuk | I don't want it to show me the connections tho or it'll conk me out or use up the last of the free ram showing me |
| 12:19.27 | Yasuo | abrotman: not. thank you! |
| 12:19.32 | abrotman | Fivuk: like .. iftop ? |
| 12:19.35 | Fivuk | has to be minimal I just want it to say like 10MB/second OUT or something |
| 12:19.40 | eth0ghost | Use iftop =) |
| 12:19.44 | Fivuk | You should read why I said I don't wanna use iftop |
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| 12:19.52 | abrotman | Fivuk: jnettop is another .. but they're all going to use RAM |
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| 12:20.00 | Fivuk | bugger |
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| 12:20.08 | Fivuk | eth061.06 MiB1.67 GiB0/0 |
| 12:20.11 | eth0ghost | Tis the nature of the beast. |
| 12:20.14 | Fivuk | ^ But that updates slowly, PHPSYSinfo |
| 12:20.19 | user2 | Fivuk..but in this wold all of those hardware assholes have to look out for themselves because i don't take any sides and prefer to work on my own junk |
| 12:20.23 | boudiccas | Fivuk, use conky, set it up right and it will show you plus lots of other intertesting stuff too |
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| 12:20.34 | eth0ghost | boudiccas: I love conky. |
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| 12:20.41 | Fivuk | what is conky? o.o |
| 12:20.47 | boudiccas | eth0ghost, yes, its good |
| 12:20.47 | Fivuk | googles |
| 12:20.50 | abrotman | boudiccas: no .. wtf |
| 12:20.53 | eth0ghost | It is a monitor for LOTS of stuff. |
| 12:20.55 | abrotman | boudiccas: are you on crack? |
| 12:20.59 | eth0ghost | Can use lua with it to make it cooler to. |
| 12:21.00 | abrotman | Fivuk: ignore conky |
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| 12:21.04 | Fivuk | abrotman, ignored. |
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| 12:21.08 | boudiccas | no`x, just high-caffeine coffee |
| 12:21.09 | eth0ghost | BUT it will use more ram. |
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| 12:21.49 | Fivuk | from the snapshot abrotman it looks perfect, but im guessing you said stay away from it because its a resource hog and $hit? |
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| 12:22.10 | abrotman | Fivuk: yes |
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| 12:22.31 | Fivuk | any alternatives available abrotman ? any that spring to mind? I just want an output of how much Data is going out. |
| 12:22.36 | abrotman | well, not "hog", but far more resource hungry |
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| 12:22.41 | abrotman | Fivuk: jnettop or iftop |
| 12:22.49 | Fivuk | darn was afraid ud say that lol |
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| 12:22.59 | eth0ghost | I personally think iftop is about as good as it gets for YOUR wants. |
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| 12:23.18 | abrotman | jnettop is pretty interesting to watch for a bit |
| 12:23.25 | Fivuk | I've got about well, millions of connections outgoing so if I launch iftop the VPS is bound to go hey here are your connections oh wait FU.. DIE. |
| 12:23.25 | Fivuk | lol |
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| 12:23.48 | eth0ghost | Fivuk: =) |
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| 12:24.38 | Fivuk | how much ram does conky use? too much? |
| 12:24.39 | Fivuk | lol |
| 12:24.48 | Fivuk | I have 193MB RAM free. |
| 12:25.24 | eth0ghost | Depends on what you monitor.... |
| 12:25.33 | marsje | Anyone has advice which laserprinter/scanner to buy or not to buy? It's for home use. Linux only... |
| 12:25.34 | eth0ghost | And the refresh rate....etc. |
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| 12:25.46 | th0r | Fivuk, have you looked into snmp counters? |
| 12:25.49 | Fivuk | eth0ghost, is conky gui only tho? |
| 12:25.54 | eth0ghost | No. |
| 12:25.56 | abrotman | Fivuk: iftop or jnettop |
| 12:26.03 | Fivuk | abrotman, it'll kill me. |
| 12:26.07 | eth0ghost | You can run it in term. |
| 12:26.10 | Fivuk | th0r, definately not? Will that show me the outgoing download rate? |
| 12:26.12 | abrotman | Fivuk: try it first .. conky is way heavier than those two |
| 12:26.21 | eth0ghost | I run it on desktop, but I have seen people have it in i3 terms and such. |
| 12:26.24 | Fivuk | abrotman, well I'm trying now but im sure it's gonna fail sec. |
| 12:26.49 | abrotman | Fivuk: people with larger systems than yours use those tools |
| 12:27.12 | user2 | marsje..well if you are going to use debian don't get any of the HL2200 series like the HL2240 unless you want to write your own drivers...or else pay a premium for an HP printer |
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| 12:27.20 | th0r | Fivuk, not sure what counters are available these days |
| 12:27.33 | marsje | user2: HL2200 series of what brand? |
| 12:27.56 | user2 | marsje...people that are sick and tired of HP monopolizing behavior |
| 12:27.57 | marsje | user2: HP always seems to work well, so far |
| 12:27.57 | th0r | Fivuk, btw...isn't "outgoing download rate" a bit wrong? |
| 12:28.10 | Fivuk | technically yes, simply not really. |
| 12:28.49 | Fivuk | abrotman, iftop is lying to me. |
| 12:28.55 | Fivuk | it says 8.95MB |
| 12:28.55 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:28.56 | Fivuk | yet, |
| 12:29.10 | Fivuk | 2.02 GiB on phpsysinfo went from 2.02 GiBto 2.05GIB in about 10 seconds |
| 12:29.17 | Fivuk | oh no wait |
| 12:29.19 | Fivuk | its working fine |
| 12:29.22 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:29.24 | Fivuk | 8MB went to 20MB |
| 12:29.26 | Fivuk | lol |
| 12:29.36 | Fivuk | 23MB from iftop just went to 28. |
| 12:29.42 | Fivuk | Its working fine surprisingly |
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| 12:30.03 | Fivuk | Good thing its data limit is 9999TB |
| 12:30.04 | Fivuk | lol |
| 12:30.11 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:30.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:30.27 | user2 | if HP wants business they will have to earn it the hard way by competing....and consequently having to offer the customers a better deal than the alternatives. |
| 12:30.46 | Fivuk | sorry about that abrotman won't happen again it's just a bad habbit I've developed over the years, thanks once again for your ideas, worked out great. |
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| 12:31.36 | user2 | and there are some people that believe HP needs some serious competition |
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| 12:32.13 | abrotman | user2: do you need help with Debian? |
| 12:32.16 | Fivuk | HP is my favourite brand that is who I'm gonna spend Two thousand dollars on ($2,000) to get a touchscreen laptop from in about 2 weeks |
| 12:32.23 | Fivuk | Sorry forgot thats offtopic abrotman |
| 12:32.57 | user2 | abrotman...it appears as usual every time i encounter an issue with debian..such as this ht stuff..there is never an answer except wait. |
| 12:33.12 | abrotman | user2: Are you still banned on OFTC? |
| 12:33.15 | Fivuk | try ubuntu then maybe user2? perhaps windows xp? |
| 12:33.46 | user2 | abrotman..perhaps..i never know...i know those shitass ricer punks won't let me comment or investigate anything |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | ... |
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| 12:34.28 | user2 | but i just work on stuff as i can |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | user2: please stick to helping people, not silly rants |
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| 12:38.19 | ido2 | question: how to enable the kernel boot logo? im using 3.11 on wheezy but i don't have any penguin image when booting |
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| 12:39.47 | user2 | ido2..3.11...is it called "Linux for Workgroups" |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:40.02 | abrotman | ido2: you probalby need to enable framebuffer |
| 12:40.03 | Fivuk | 91.121.95.205 - bla - so why would you change/recycle-connection to apply a hostmask? Lol. |
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| 12:41.06 | ido2 | abrotman: can you tell me what to change to enable framebuffer? |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | ido2: why did you feel the need to use a 3.11 kernel? what was wrong with the kernel in wheezy? |
| 12:41.42 | user2 | abortman do you desire to tamper with the kernel knowing the risks you might encounter |
| 12:41.51 | abrotman | user2: wrong person |
| 12:42.02 | ido2 | nothing wrong, just trying out. its not my main work pc |
| 12:42.10 | user2 | abrotman...well did n't you ask about framebuffer support |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | ido2: then you can try to tinker with the settings .. that's what learning is for |
| 12:42.28 | Fivuk | abrotman, my debian VPS is still grinding with a quad core Xeon overclocked, So I'll fire up a virtual OS in virtual box on my windows box lol - how amazing huh? a few bash process's and it grinds a quad core to a near stand still even when configured for optimal lightweight setup abrotman lol im amazed tho that debian is running strong on it nearly maxed out hardware wise and using phenomal amounts of ba |
| 12:42.28 | Fivuk | ndwith scanning 0.0.0.0 through 255.255.255.255 that's my stress test to open port scan all ips on the net haha, leave it running for a few months and see if it crashes. |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | user2: no .. why would you think that? |
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| 12:43.05 | abrotman | Fivuk: keep it up, your hoster will terminate your contract :) |
| 12:43.22 | user2 | Fivuk..hey that seems like a fairly good effort for quality control purposes |
| 12:43.35 | Fivuk | abrotman, if it was a box by a provider definately, but since I own the whole setup I won't get it terminated as such. |
| 12:44.02 | Fivuk | user2 it's useful in the end and really does test the limits of the box, the port at the data center and doens't waste my bandwith at the end of the month |
| 12:44.07 | Fivuk | And many more more reasons but meh |
| 12:44.20 | Fivuk | Gotta use 10gbps some how. |
| 12:44.29 | user2 | Fivuk yes i can see that |
| 12:44.30 | abrotman | Fivuk: you don't own the network |
| 12:44.43 | Fivuk | Well, no not the network, but I do own the boxs ;) |
| 12:44.49 | abrotman | they'll just unplug you .. |
| 12:44.59 | Fivuk | Nah. it'll be fine :) |
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| 12:45.07 | abrotman | you own a box in a rack, you don't even own the rack |
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| 12:45.15 | Fivuk | Wrong there once again. |
| 12:45.16 | Fivuk | But uh, |
| 12:45.27 | Fivuk | It's pretty silent and encrypted the only thing anyone would see is large amounts of bandwith being used in a short amount of time. |
| 12:45.28 | abrotman | the power, the network, the cabling .. |
| 12:45.31 | qwebirc6936 | hi all! So I want to revive 2 old PC's, a 486dx2 with 8mb RAM and a 600mhz intel with 32mb RAM. I am looking for an oldschool cli distro, but I don't want to deal with all the incompatibility issues of old distros, so the question is: would a minimal debian 7 install work for me? |
| 12:45.46 | Fivuk | burn them qwebirc6936 somethings are just too ancient lol |
| 12:45.48 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: 8MB RAM is not enough to install |
| 12:45.56 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: it's enough to probalby run though |
| 12:46.15 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: you can get older versions of Debian and try to upgrade incrementally |
| 12:46.19 | user2 | qwebirc6936...well i have some slow stuff i work on ...and i use antiX for it..i just don't mess with the gui stuff |
| 12:46.32 | qwebirc6936 | what about the 32mb machine? |
| 12:46.42 | qwebirc6936 | antix? I'm gonna check that |
| 12:46.44 | Fivuk | try 64mb but 32mb should install qwebirc6936 |
| 12:46.47 | user2 | qwebirc6936...well finix will work with about 50 megs |
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| 12:46.58 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: 32MB shuld be okay .. it's always better if you can get more RAM |
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| 12:47.03 | user2 | qwebirc6936 if you can just get a little more |
| 12:47.28 | Fivuk | 64MB+ is optimal for older hardware. |
| 12:47.31 | user2 | qwebirc...otherwise you might find a cheap win98se...or use freedos...freedos32 still needs some work |
| 12:47.50 | ignacio | there's always slack |
| 12:47.59 | Fivuk | abrotman, can you do me a favour and ping 50.7.182.83 and tell me what reponse time you get in MS? It's not replying to me, that's my box don't worry |
| 12:48.09 | user2 | qwbebirc...and there is another heavenos..that asks for help on the booting process |
| 12:48.19 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: if you're willing to go with older distros, the ISOs and floppies are out there |
| 12:48.33 | abrotman | Fivuk: 64 bytes from 50.7.182.83: icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=118 ms |
| 12:48.37 | user2 | qwebirc..you don't need old stuff....first try finnix |
| 12:48.39 | Fivuk | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:48.41 | qwebirc6936 | user2: yes but I need a unix system.. I have windows 95 on the 486 and win98 on the 600.. |
| 12:48.51 | user2 | qwebirc..first try finnix |
| 12:48.51 | Fivuk | is 118 slow to what you usually get from others abrotman ? |
| 12:48.58 | qwebirc6936 | finnix, ok! |
| 12:49.04 | abrotman | Fivuk: give me something to compare it to |
| 12:49.11 | Fivuk | google.com ? |
| 12:49.12 | Fivuk | lol |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | Fivuk: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=26.0 ms |
| 12:49.15 | user2 | qwebirc...you might need just a little more ram ..not very much...it is known to work here at 50 megs |
| 12:49.18 | ignacio | also you might want an older kernel, I had trouble getting (I think) 2.4 running on a 486 |
| 12:49.23 | Fivuk | $hit, my box is rubbish lol |
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| 12:49.48 | abrotman | i have a 486 running a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:50.06 | ido2 | woot! :) |
| 12:50.12 | abrotman | (it has 36MB RAM though) |
| 12:50.13 | Fivuk | < hardware n00b isn't 486 = i386? |
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| 12:50.27 | ido2 | sx or dx? |
| 12:50.39 | abrotman | it is a DX |
| 12:50.44 | qwebirc6936 | 496 dx2 66mhz |
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| 12:50.50 | ido2 | nice :) |
| 12:50.52 | qwebirc6936 | 486* |
| 12:51.08 | user2 | qwebirc..and just forget the gui stuff...you don't need it for a lot of functions anyway |
| 12:51.09 | abrotman | Fivuk: no .. 486 is the family after 386, then came 586 (Pentium 1), then 686, etc |
| 12:51.15 | qwebirc6936 | (it's the one with the math coprocessor) |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | user2: he said he didn't want a GUI when he came in here |
| 12:51.23 | Fivuk | all this talk of 32MB ram and old cpus makes my 3.4GHZ and 2048MB RAM seem like a giant |
| 12:51.35 | MO_Handes | after uninstalling wine and wine:i386 and run an apt-get autoremove I can't install them again due to this errors. how to fix it? http://paste.debian.net/18953/ |
| 12:51.40 | ignacio | you could fit like... 50 copies of his PC! |
| 12:51.43 | Fivuk | thanks for filling me in abrotman |
| 12:51.50 | user2 | Fivuk..yea well we don't see to many of those in the junkpiles |
| 12:51.57 | eth0ghost | I know, I feel bad for having 16gb listening to you guys =) |
| 12:52.15 | Fivuk | haha eth0ghost !!! |
| 12:53.24 | qwebirc6936 | how about an original bsd version? like 4.3 or 4.4? does anyone know where I can find one? |
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| 12:54.15 | ido2 | http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ |
| 12:54.17 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: we have copies of old Debian releases on the archives ... |
| 12:54.27 | qwebirc6936 | eth0ghost: the beauty of the thing is I am also chatting here with 32mb of ram using win98 and netscape |
| 12:54.45 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 12:55.02 | Fivuk | Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating. Not a single packet solicited or otherwise was received from your system as a result of our security probing tests. Your system ignored and refused to reply to repeated Pings (ICMP Echo Requests). From the standpoint of the passing probes of any hacker, this machine does not exist on the Internet. Some questionable personal security systems ex |
| 12:55.03 | Fivuk | pose their users by attempting to "counter-probe the prober", thus revealing themselves. But your system wisely remained silent in every way. Very nice. |
| 12:55.10 | Fivuk | Whoops, sorry! |
| 12:55.14 | user2 | qwebirc..yep you don't need much to do many things...except play the latest cuda/physX/SLI/opencl games |
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| 12:55.21 | MO_Handes | any help, please? |
| 12:55.42 | abrotman | MO_Handes: did you run apt-get update first? |
| 12:56.18 | MO_Handes | abrotman, yes |
| 12:56.33 | ignacio | I have a 64 bit PC running virtualbox, should I make the VMs 32 bit or 64 bit? |
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| 12:56.51 | qwebirc6936 | abrotman: right! Cool. And won't they be very very dated, and unable to install for example a recent octave version? |
| 12:57.01 | abrotman | MO_Handes: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 12:57.03 | ido2 | why should you use a 64bit guest? |
| 12:57.13 | ignacio | that's what I wanna know |
| 12:57.19 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: of course they'll be dated, but you're trying to install it to a 486 with 8MB RAM |
| 12:57.20 | eth0ghost | It is up to you. |
| 12:57.21 | MO_Handes | abrotman, returns i386 |
| 12:57.25 | ignacio | which will perform faster? |
| 12:57.35 | blubberdiblub | depends on the workload |
| 12:57.53 | ignacio | workload should be almost inexistant |
| 12:58.05 | blubberdiblub | let me rephrase: depends on what you're doing with it |
| 12:58.19 | abrotman | MO_Handes: ah, what if you just install "wine" ? |
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| 12:58.33 | Fivuk | Question abrotman - Will a PC with BIG hardware running a BIG WORKLOAD - versus a PC with SMALL hardware running a SMALL WORKLOAD, which one would be better? Wouldn't they be equal in a fair fight? |
| 12:58.40 | Aramur | ignacio: there won't be any noticeable performance difference |
| 12:58.41 | MO_Handes | my sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/18954/ |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | Fivuk: better for what? |
| 12:58.52 | ignacio | ok, thanks |
| 12:58.58 | Fivuk | abrotman, just faster. |
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| 12:59.10 | abrotman | Fivuk: depends on the actual workload |
| 12:59.21 | cesco | i'm on debian squeeze and I installed tomcat6 with tomcat6-admin and I can't deploy and start a simply helloworld java webservice. How can I resolve it? |
| 12:59.29 | Aramur | ignacio: use 64 bit if the guest has more than 4 GB of RAM, or if you need to use a 64 bit OS on it |
| 12:59.36 | abrotman | MO_Handes: wine-amd64 doesn't exist for i386 .. so what if you apt-get install wine ? |
| 12:59.38 | MO_Handes | abrotman, wine for amd64 is a 56kb package, I don't have an idea what it is but it gets installed and is of no use |
| 12:59.41 | Fivuk | Kinda like Two Horses versus one, just two horses have weight but the single horse is smaller but not weighted. I guess the pcs are making up for what each other lack so in a fair setting, They would be equal. |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | MO_Handes: it's a metapackage .. it shuld depend on other packages |
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| 13:00.38 | MO_Handes | this is the output of installing wine: http://paste.debian.net/18955/ |
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| 13:00.57 | Fivuk | Dual Core Vs Single Core - abrotman; but the Dual core has a big workload, (Better hardware, bogged down by software) - Single Core (Crappier hardware, but not bogged down by software) Would you consider neither better? in a speedtest? |
| 13:01.10 | abrotman | Fivuk: it depends on the workload and the software |
| 13:01.20 | Fivuk | all else being equal |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | MO_Handes: and wine doesn't work at all ? |
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| 13:01.47 | abrotman | Fivuk: you can't know that .. for example, is the software able to run multithreaded correctly? |
| 13:01.57 | Fivuk | This is just a generalization. |
| 13:02.08 | abrotman | not enough inof |
| 13:02.13 | Fivuk | So since they both make up for what each other lack in a fair setting they would be opposite equals, just as fast as each other. |
| 13:02.15 | MO_Handes | abrotman, no |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | MO_Handes: what's the error? |
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| 13:03.13 | qwebirc6936 | The thing is, I wanna have a workstation computer.. An old skool one! I am going to start my msc thesis in a few weeks and I wanted to do all calculations old skool style. I really need to have a software like octave or matlab working properly though. This is what I am looking for.. |
| 13:03.41 | milo64 | hello |
| 13:04.06 | milo64 | so, the debian netinst CD will fetch the latest available version of debian from the internet, is that correct? |
| 13:04.24 | musca | you can choose in expert mode |
| 13:04.39 | milo64 | what are the choices? |
| 13:04.46 | milo64 | i need to ask before downloading |
| 13:05.10 | abrotman | milo64: grab the latest stable, yes |
| 13:05.29 | milo64 | the netinst one |
| 13:05.33 | dvs | milo64: wired connections have a better chance of working. |
| 13:05.33 | MO_Handes | abrotman, http://aminsite.com/up/wine.png |
| 13:06.06 | qwebirc6936 | Why would a recent cli debian need a better pc than an old one? Doing the same thing. |
| 13:06.21 | abrotman | qwebirc6936: kernel is more complex fo rstarters |
| 13:06.57 | qwebirc6936 | (brb) |
| 13:07.01 | milo64 | yeah, but, if i download netinst called "debian-7.1.0-amd64" and i found out that a newer version of debian comes out "debian 7.2.0" will the netinst i downloaded fetch the latest one 7.2.0 from the internet? |
| 13:07.12 | abrotman | MO_Handes: you didn't do what the instructions say .. you trie dto instlal wine:i386, not wine-bin:i386 |
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| 13:08.42 | musca | milo64: yes. exactly. |
| 13:08.53 | dvs | milo64: Once debian is installed, you don't need the iso anymore. |
| 13:08.55 | MO_Handes | abrotman, I did, but the same happens: http://paste.debian.net/18959/ |
| 13:08.58 | StaticLNX | how can I restore a default config file I messed up? "syslog-ng" |
| 13:09.09 | milo64 | huh? even if it's called "debian-7.1.0-amd64"? |
| 13:09.30 | milo64 | dvs: how do i upgrade the system, then? |
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| 13:10.36 | milo64 | uh |
| 13:10.55 | StaticLNX | :P |
| 13:11.25 | milo64 | okay, forget about hose to questions |
| 13:11.26 | milo64 | now |
| 13:11.37 | musca | milo64: yes, the installer pulls the latest packages from the repo. TThe command "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" will do. |
| 13:12.17 | milo64 | when I use the full CD, the full CD also installs X and a desktop environment, but, will netinst fetch that for me? |
| 13:12.20 | milo64 | musca: thanks |
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| 13:14.29 | milo64 | i'm very sorry to ask a bunch of questions |
| 13:14.41 | dgeary2 | i'm aware of the section on preseeding in the installation manual (including example preconfiguration file), but is there a complete reference for preseeding questions (and answers if there are only a small range of them) anywhere? |
| 13:14.48 | milo64 | If i download, it would consume a lot of my time, i need to know if it really works |
| 13:15.01 | milo64 | when I use the full CD, the full CD also installs X and a desktop environment, but, will netinst fetch that for me? <== here, this is my perior question |
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| 13:15.22 | musca | milo64: let me check the menu options |
| 13:15.28 | user2 | but you know you just have to wait and be patient with free software and free bios...but eventually they will fix it for everybody to enjoy |
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| 13:16.12 | user2 | becuase..a little stuff gets done at a time |
| 13:16.14 | tremon | dgeary2: not really, as a "complete reference" would include all installable packages. However, there is debconf-get-selections which will list all preseed questions for the currently installed packages |
| 13:16.26 | milo64 | user2: was that to me? |
| 13:16.52 | eth0ghost | milo64: Use expert mode, and you can install whatever YOU want. |
| 13:16.54 | user2 | milo..that was to qweb regarding his matlab concern..but he can try freemat as starter |
| 13:17.08 | MO_Handes | abrotman, there seems to be something done with /etc/apt/preferences and do a dist-upgrade |
| 13:17.22 | StaticLNX | anyone know where to find a guide on setting up syslog-ng to recieve data from a device? IE:router |
| 13:17.28 | milo64 | eth0ghost: da.. thanks |
| 13:17.47 | musca | milo64: litterally the first point: you have to choose the desiered desktop environment |
| 13:17.57 | milo64 | ok ay |
| 13:18.08 | musca | it's under advanced options |
| 13:18.28 | eth0ghost | No you do not. You can just have a mini install and then add xorg and whatever you want. |
| 13:18.30 | milo64 | and so the netinst will install the DE and X for me? am i correct? |
| 13:18.38 | musca | milo64: you need to scroll down in the submenu |
| 13:18.38 | eth0ghost | If you choose to yes. |
| 13:18.44 | milo64 | eth0ghost: no.. too complicated :\ |
| 13:18.52 | eth0ghost | If you use the expert mode make sure to use squashfs. |
| 13:19.51 | dvs | milo64: Yes, the netinst will install the DE and X for you. Gnome 3 by default. |
| 13:20.14 | milo64 | ok |
| 13:20.21 | eth0ghost | milo64: I could help walk you through it if you want to learn =) |
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| 13:20.49 | StaticLNX | hits his head against a wall repeatedly |
| 13:20.54 | milo64 | eth0ghost: thanks, i've been through arch linux already -- arch's even harder |
| 13:21.07 | eth0ghost | Arch has its pros and cons. |
| 13:21.21 | milo64 | thanks all, bye |
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| 13:21.40 | user2 | milo64..well arch breaks stuff...like some apps have and use libpng12...and some apps say you need libpng16 on arch ..so it is a nightmare |
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| 13:22.49 | user2 | milo64..they need to make static cd's of arch with coherent sets...not that rolling distro garbage |
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| 13:24.25 | user2 | like debian potato..or debian sid |
| 13:24.29 | dgeary2 | tremon, thanks, i am specifically looking for the questions related to using a mounted install dvd as a mirror for debootstrap |
| 13:24.59 | tremon | StaticLNX: have you read http://www.balabit.com/sites/default/files/documents/syslog-ng-ose-3.4-guides/en/syslog-ng-ose-v3.4-guide-admin/html-single/index.html#configuring-sources-tcpudp |
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| 13:31.36 | tremon | dgeary2: I don't think the installer uses debootstrap directly, but iiuc you want to add a local .iso file as a package source. I'm not sure it is possible, but maybe ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 13:32.59 | dgeary2 | i'm trying to set up my first lxc container. i just noticed that lxc has its own debconf questions about installation. thanks again. |
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| 13:40.04 | surg66 | hi all, i need to encrypt a 16gb usb flash drive. i need to take into consideration it may not my unmounted properly (or the system may lose power). i'm looking into available options.. can anyone suggest anything? |
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| 13:41.07 | sc_ | surg66: truecrypt |
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| 13:41.55 | Sonic_2 | Hello! |
| 13:42.07 | Sonic_2 | I have installed recent Debian and have questions. |
| 13:42.07 | surg66 | sc_: so if i mount a truecrypt volume, am writing to it, and then power is lost or the drive is removed. what is likely to happen to the data in the volume? |
| 13:42.57 | Sonic_2 | How can i configure toolbars in GTK ? Previously there used to be a setting in which i could select things like "Icons" or "Icons + text". Where is it now ? |
| 13:43.23 | Sonic_2 | I have a netbook with small screen, and text below icons eats up screen space |
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| 13:43.55 | sc_ | surg66: in the 10 years i have been using it, i have never had that issue |
| 13:45.41 | blubberdiblub | Sonic_2, in XFCE, this is configured under Settings -> Appearance -> Settings. i don't know how to configure that in gtk directly, tho (if that is possible at all. look into the configuration of your desktop environment) |
| 13:46.10 | Sonic_2 | blubberdiblub, I use GNOME, and see no such item in preferences. |
| 13:46.22 | Sonic_2 | However in my old Etch it used to be there |
| 13:46.28 | blubberdiblub | Sonic_2, i have no experience with gnome, sorry |
| 13:47.05 | surg66 | sc_: actually, i don't think that'll be an issue for me either. i'll be running the encrypted volume on a raspberry pi used as a btsync server. i want to encrypt the data incase of physical theft of the hardware. i suppose it's not a problem if the disk becomes corrupted if power is lost. |
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| 13:47.33 | StaticLNX | how can I restore the default configuration files of a package? apt-get install syslog-ng didnt install them... |
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| 13:47.47 | surg66 | sc_: ..in the event of theft. it'd be annoying in the event of a powercut though. |
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| 13:51.09 | StaticLNX | :P |
| 13:52.24 | sc_ | surg66: no idea man, just a good solution |
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| 13:55.34 | StaticLNX | how can I restore the default configuration files of a package? apt-get install syslog-ng didnt install them... |
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| 13:56.14 | tremon | StaticLNX: use dpkg --force-confdef or force-confask |
| 13:56.31 | jmd | My users are complaining that they cannot change the keyboard layout. How can I let a non-root person do this? |
| 13:56.32 | StaticLNX | ty |
| 13:56.36 | user2 | so that everyone can see all the millions of little guys ideas...about the possibility of sound ...the possibility of using color...the possibility of more sophisticated worlds of adventure and exploration...the possibility of serious business apps...the possibility of communications...etc.etc. |
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| 13:57.05 | user2 | so people know what royalties rightfully belong to who |
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| 13:58.38 | tremon | jmd: iirc, there are no cross-desktop solutions other than linking/creating a .Xmodmap for the user. But most DEs do offer input switching, and I know lightdm and gdm3 allow you to change the keyboard layout before login |
| 13:59.34 | jmd | tremon, So how do I configure gdm to allow that_ |
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| 14:00.12 | jmd | ? |
| 14:00.20 | tremon | jmd: doesn't it by default? I certainly didn't have to configure anything for it, it's in the top bar iirc (only have lightdm here right now to test) |
| 14:00.36 | DANtheBEASTman | close |
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| 14:01.02 | jmd | tremon, It used to, before I upgraded to wheezy. Then that option suddenly wasn't there any more. |
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| 14:01.44 | user2 | it would be nice if people did not have to traverse so many layers to get stuff to work |
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| 14:02.45 | tremon | ah, perhaps I'm just behind the times then. Maybe you can ask in #gnome? |
| 14:03.09 | user2 | because uh for example i paid hard earned cash for scripsit since i did not know how to write it myself...so debian could use an app that directly supports it |
| 14:03.57 | user2 | back in those days...word processing was a mystery to many |
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| 14:04.46 | user2 | and there was talk of replacing IBM and IBM typewriters with electronic word processors |
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| 14:05.02 | jmd | tremon, I'll ask there thanks. |
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| 14:05.49 | user2 | but no one ever planned on having to buy version after version of word processor...instead of just buying one typewriter |
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| 14:06.40 | tremon | user2: is there a debian support question in there somewhere? |
| 14:07.12 | user2 | tremon..yes i am looking for a debian app that will emulate the trs80model1 without going through so many layers. |
| 14:07.30 | user2 | tremon..and that is freeware |
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| 14:07.42 | user2 | tremon...so everyone can have it |
| 14:08.16 | tremon | StaticLNX: please keep it in channel. apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confask" --reinstall install syslog-ng should work |
| 14:08.59 | qwebirc6936 | (cont. from 1 hour ago) So debian minimal will still be too much for a 600mhz 32mb ram box ? |
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| 14:09.25 | user2 | qweb...yep you can forget debian if you don't have at least 80megs of ram |
| 14:09.42 | ido2 | user2: how about fuse, or myz80 in dosbox? |
| 14:09.50 | user2 | qweb...you might try finnix..i know it will boot on 50megs...possibly less |
| 14:10.05 | tremon | qwebirc6936: yes, the installer requires 64MB ram. It will probably run if you can get debian installed on it some other way (e.g. debootstrap) |
| 14:10.09 | user2 | ido2..that is too many layers of crud |
| 14:10.25 | qwebirc6936 | user2: how about slackware? I just read a guy using the latest version on a 100mhz cpu |
| 14:10.48 | user2 | qwebirc6936..well slackware is for experienced people |
| 14:11.06 | user2 | qwebirc6936...what amount of ram |
| 14:11.18 | tremon | so is debian. The expeerience threshold is only slightly lower :) |
| 14:11.44 | user2 | tremon..debian is pushbutton...what experience is needed? |
| 14:12.01 | qwebirc6936 | user2: I don't remember I closed the tab.. but I think equal or less than 32mb |
| 14:12.27 | user2 | qwebirc..oh really on the latest kernel...how can they do it with less than finnix |
| 14:12.54 | StaticLNX | k |
| 14:13.23 | tremon | user2: knowing which buttons to push. Modern pc's come with more than 100 buttons ;) |
| 14:13.42 | user2 | tremon...well maybe so |
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| 14:18.15 | StaticLNX | tremon: no =\ "Error opening configuration file; filename='/etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf', error='No such file or directory (2)'" |
| 14:18.21 | user2 | tremon..more than 100 buttons?...i guess more buttons fascinate the curious...i don't know. |
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| 14:22.01 | user2 | treemon..but i have heard reports of vcr's that had so many buttons that people could never figure out...and some of them never managed to record anything and threw the vcr's into the trashcan. |
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| 14:23.03 | user2 | treemon..or they would eat a tape..and the customer would say.."i don't know what happened....did i push the wrong button?" |
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| 14:26.10 | Kunal | hey , can anyone help me in setting up ftp server on my vps |
| 14:26.56 | Deeps | http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_7.0&p=ftp might be relevant to your interests |
| 14:27.07 | user2 | treemon...so there are some factors to consider on how many buttons you want to include...if you want your product to get used. |
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| 14:27.30 | Kunal | kk i'll check it |
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| 14:29.41 | ksdncv | wow, definitively new libc package is genius work. to install i386 libc had to update amd64 one due to last digit in version after the - being 1 more than installed (big change that breaks all compatibility between amd64 and i386 seems), thus again stupid package refuses to install asking to manually delete libc.so, so since have statically linked busybox give it a try, and suprise... /usr/bin/dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: can |
| 14:29.42 | ksdncv | not open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.42 | ksdncv | so confirmed, asking to manually delete libc in preinstall script was really smart. specially if dpkg isnt statically linked |
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| 14:30.02 | ksdncv | third time run into same stupid problem with libc package in the last months |
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| 14:30.34 | StaticLNX | ;( |
| 14:31.30 | StaticLNX | know how to get debian to install syslog-ng with the original config files? D: |
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| 14:31.59 | user2 | and in some cases there are too few buttons...like i found this tv in the junk piles....but it has a wierd oscillation..my guess is some form of feedback loop...and it does not have a button to fix it. |
| 14:32.02 | ksdncv | too bad, debian used to be best distribution out there, but lately its breaking in really stupid ways :( |
| 14:32.05 | tremon | ksdncv: debian works a lot better if you work with the system instead of fighting it. Mucking about with libc files is asking for trouble, even if you know what you're doing |
| 14:32.38 | user2 | ksdncv...what is seriously broken..could it be a hardware issue instead of debian |
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| 14:33.12 | StaticLNX | wb tremon |
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| 14:34.19 | ksdncv | just dependencies, package needs 1.2.3.4 but is considered to break with 1.2.3.5. really would libc of 0.0-1 version less break every lib? abi compatibility 0 between minor versions?. Am sure apt-get/aptitude/dpkg are checking something wrong with versions, minor version changes couldnt be so horribly different to break anything. |
| 14:34.40 | ksdncv | yet to install gtk for i386 need to update a lot of packages, which ends going up to libc6 |
| 14:35.01 | ksdncv | but none is a big update, they're all from stable, just minor patches |
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| 14:35.09 | WilliamDotHK | Debian Wheezy has no NFSv4.1 server? seriously? |
| 14:35.15 | user2 | ksdncv..well in that regard is debian any worse than arch?...are you trying to stick with a coherent cd....or are you trying to created problems for yourself |
| 14:35.15 | WilliamDotHK | who had that great idea |
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| 14:35.35 | WilliamDotHK | in special as Server 2012/Windows 8 have no NFSv3 support |
| 14:35.41 | WilliamDotHK | and no NFS 4.0 support |
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| 14:35.58 | ksdncv | user2 dont have even a cd drive, all my installs are netinst |
| 14:36.32 | user2 | ksdncv..oh well i have not tested that so you may have some key issues that need attention |
| 14:36.33 | ksdncv | but before this stable install had a frankendebian that gave much less trouble than this, which is funny |
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| 14:37.28 | ksdncv | but leaving apart package dependencies |
| 14:37.31 | johskar | any sugestions for a good RAID-6 controller with min. 8 channels? |
| 14:37.32 | user2 | ksdncv...if you don't have cd..do you have usb stick..and usb boot option in your bios |
| 14:37.37 | johskar | that isn't too expensive |
| 14:37.43 | ksdncv | it wouldnt be a big problem to install many packages |
| 14:37.53 | WilliamDotHK | johskar: LSI 9XXX |
| 14:37.57 | StaticLNX | know how to get debian to install syslog-ng with the original config files? D: |
| 14:37.57 | ksdncv | the big problem is libc6 package asking to manually rm libc or it would refuse to install |
| 14:37.57 | WilliamDotHK | but not cheap |
| 14:38.04 | blubberdiblub | WilliamDotHK, why do you think it doesn't have NFSv4? it does have it here |
| 14:38.07 | ksdncv | thats the most insane thing i've ever seen |
| 14:38.14 | WilliamDotHK | blubberdiblub: because: |
| 14:38.22 | WilliamDotHK | root@storage01:~# cat /proc/fs/nfsd/versions |
| 14:38.22 | WilliamDotHK | +2 +3 +4 -4.1 |
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| 14:38.33 | johskar | WilliamDotHK: ty, I'll check out those, (if I can get some cheap in norway :-) ) |
| 14:38.37 | ksdncv | ok, you shouldnt touch libc unless its strictly needed, its bad luck that have i386 out of sync with amd64 |
| 14:38.38 | WilliamDotHK | i need 4.1 on the server, not 4.0 |
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| 14:38.43 | WilliamDotHK | Windows has no 4.0 support |
| 14:39.06 | user2 | ksdncv..well i don't know what that is ...there is small berkeley libc....and there is a giant libc6....but i'm not sure what you are running into |
| 14:39.07 | WilliamDotHK | (0c0c: nfs41_exchange_id() failed NFS4ERR_MINOR_VERS_MISMATCH) |
| 14:39.09 | ksdncv | but why the hell ask to rm libc and leave entire system broken unless youre cautiosu to statically link stuff and mv libc into a different path instead of rm it as package asks |
| 14:39.46 | user2 | ksdncv..well what if the lib is loaded in memory..then you can move it around on the hard drive |
| 14:39.57 | user2 | or delete it |
| 14:40.20 | user2 | but i would just move it just in case |
| 14:40.25 | ksdncv | moved it just for fun to check if that would be enough to get the package happy instead of having to modify it like last time |
| 14:40.36 | ksdncv | got this instead: /usr/bin/dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:40.42 | ksdncv | so dpkg isnt even statically linked |
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| 14:40.53 | ksdncv | which thought it was |
| 14:40.53 | user2 | ksdncv...yep sounds like it |
| 14:41.18 | ksdncv | actually expected package to fail because even if dpkg was statically linked, package might try to use some other program that needed libc during libc preinstall |
| 14:41.22 | user2 | ksdncv..well move it back and try ignoring the message |
| 14:41.25 | ksdncv | but that was even worse than expected |
| 14:41.26 | WilliamDotHK | root@storage01:~# grep CONFIG_NFS_V4_1 /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:41.26 | WilliamDotHK | CONFIG_NFS_V4_1=y |
| 14:41.30 | WilliamDotHK | weird. |
| 14:41.56 | user2 | ksdncv...why not just make a usb stick of known cd's that have no problems |
| 14:42.00 | ksdncv | user2 thats the best of all, its a stop, package wont install as long as preinstall fails, and there is no option in dpkg to --force ignore preinstall check |
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| 14:42.30 | user2 | ksdncv..well like i said ...make a usb boot...of no problem cd's |
| 14:42.55 | user2 | ksdncv...unless you don't have usb either |
| 14:42.58 | ksdncv | made a netinst of some months ago, and even so got more problems than my old frankendebian in much less time |
| 14:43.26 | ksdncv | as long at isnt a full mirror of all packages for full version freeze patch and security included, wont help much |
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| 14:43.52 | ksdncv | anyways, version trobule doesnt worry me as much |
| 14:44.05 | ksdncv | what worries me is why the hell someone made preinstall unskippable and ask to manually rm libc |
| 14:44.06 | user2 | ksdncv...well if you want everything up front with no network jazz...just get all 4 frugalware DVDs |
| 14:44.11 | ksdncv | which would make system non-bootable |
| 14:44.23 | user2 | ksdncv...but i don't think you need that mess |
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| 14:46.11 | user2 | ksdncv..that is like saying you need 40000 packages. |
| 14:46.34 | user2 | ksdncv...you just don't need all that mess |
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| 14:46.39 | ksdncv | lol, now asks to rm libdl... really insane package |
| 14:47.04 | Kunal | so i added a user in chroot_list but I couldnt login into the ftp |
| 14:47.07 | tremon | WilliamDotHK: read http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Server_4.0_and_4.1_issues#Check_4.0.2F4.1_interactions ? |
| 14:47.28 | tremon | sorry, I meant just the summary of the page |
| 14:47.30 | Th0masR0ss | wat package, ksdncv? |
| 14:47.45 | ksdncv | libc6 |
| 14:47.47 | basic6_ | I'm trying to install strace on my Debian Wheezy kBSD, but it's not in the repository. Do I need to add another repository or is there an alternative name/program? |
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| 14:48.08 | user2 | ksdncv...i got more serious problems...i cannot get timidity to work without an instant segfault |
| 14:48.08 | daemonkeeper | basic6_: Unsurprisingly there is no strace on kfreebsd. |
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| 14:48.25 | user2 | ksdncv...and some people complain they can't get it to even compile anymore |
| 14:48.31 | tremon | basic6_: use ktrace |
| 14:48.32 | basic6_ | daemonkeeper: Is there an alternative? |
| 14:48.40 | user2 | ksdncv...i did get a compile but with a useless binary |
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| 14:49.02 | user2 | ksdncv...so timidity is a real nightmare for right now |
| 14:49.02 | basic6_ | tremon: i'll see what ktrace does, thanks |
| 14:49.13 | daemonkeeper | basic6_: dtrace, but I do not think it was ported to kfreebsd yet. |
| 14:49.24 | ksdncv | user2 can you get a backtrace with gdb? has been long time since last had timidity installed tho |
| 14:50.19 | user2 | ksdncv...well i ported it to my windows xp...so i dont have any more problems...but i would like to get it running on frankengentoo...but it is a nightmare right now |
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| 14:50.50 | user2 | ksdncv...the debian build seems to work though. |
| 14:51.20 | user2 | ksdncv...you want me to see if i can get a backtrace on it |
| 14:51.32 | ksdncv | may be that can give a clue where it crashes |
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| 14:51.56 | user2 | ksdncv..well the only clue i have is many reports that say it won't even compile anymore |
| 14:52.08 | ksdncv | it never crashed when used it long ago, but that was on my frankendebian install |
| 14:52.09 | user2 | ksdncv..but i did not experience that |
| 14:52.37 | ksdncv | and currently have no libc, no libdl, no libm and now no libpthreads, so cant check it either... wonder what will the package ask next to delete |
| 14:52.40 | user2 | ksdncv..well i am just trying to get a frankengentoo working |
| 14:53.03 | user2 | ksdncv...and i cannot deal with those punk ricer trash |
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| 14:53.13 | ksdncv | punk ricer? |
| 14:53.27 | user2 | ksdncv...yep...they kick everybody out all the time |
| 14:53.35 | basic6_ | daemonkeeper: dtrace isn't in the repository either |
| 14:53.49 | daemonkeeper | what I said :) |
| 14:54.12 | Aliekzhi | someone here has any idea how to bridge tap0 and eth0 ? |
| 14:54.29 | Sonic_2 | Hi all! |
| 14:54.34 | Sonic_2 | It's me |
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| 14:54.57 | ksdncv | lmao |
| 14:55.25 | ksdncv | now that have no .so in correct path, package complains and asks to delete the copy made in /tmp too |
| 14:55.29 | ksdncv | what the hell |
| 14:55.41 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: You gave the answer yourself. |
| 14:55.44 | user2 | ksdncv...but uh i have alternative solutions implemented...but if you want i can try to get a backtrace if it possible to compile it with debug options |
| 14:55.58 | ksdncv | whoever made preinstall check of libc package deserves the genius of the year title |
| 14:56.07 | ksdncv | so back to repackage .deb without preinstall file |
| 14:56.46 | Aliekzhi | daemon, "config_br0="dhcp"" will bridge them automatically without any more config needed ? |
| 14:57.02 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, sorry |
| 14:57.22 | daemonkeeper | Make a bridge, attach both, eth0 and tap0 to it. |
| 14:57.22 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, "config_br0="dhcp"" will bridge them automatically without any more config needed ? |
| 14:57.34 | daemonkeeper | Depends(tm) |
| 14:57.34 | basic6_ | afaik, the solaris version of strace is truss. is truss available on kbsd (under another name)? |
| 14:58.07 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, I'm trying to base my config on http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Network_bridge but I don't understand how it can link eth0 and tap0 with that config... |
| 14:58.25 | Aliekzhi | not really explicit... |
| 14:58.27 | daemonkeeper | basic6_: The Solaris version of strace is dtrace (though much more powerful). However it's not yet ported to kfreebsd. |
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| 14:58.55 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, having to bridge the ip of the 2 interfaces ? no way to bridge the interface directly ? |
| 14:58.59 | user2 | Aliekzhi..well that is interesting stuff...from another perspective. |
| 14:59.06 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: not really, truss is closer equivalent on solaris |
| 14:59.21 | Aliekzhi | user2, what do you mean ? |
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| 14:59.25 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: Well. You could start by realizing that this is #debian and that /etc/conf.d/net is a Gentoo specific configuration. |
| 14:59.46 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, well I have to do it both on a debian and a gentoo :) |
| 15:00.07 | user2 | Aliezhi...well i am looking for a way to possbly ditch this wifi stuff |
| 15:00.11 | jelly-home | basic6_: I think the *bsds have something called ktrace |
| 15:00.22 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 15:00.33 | user2 | aliezhi...i found a junk wifi router...and there is an ethernet nic on the mobo |
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| 15:01.18 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, well exact same problem...it bridge the ip ? so what value must I change on that ? |
| 15:01.33 | daemonkeeper | It's your network. You need to know yourself. |
| 15:01.39 | user2 | aliezhi...so what i would like to do is hook up to the router...have it talk to the other wifi access point...and route/bridge my ethernet connection past the wifi router to the wifi access point as a gateway |
| 15:02.09 | user2 | aleszhi..but it is not obvious to me ...how to do this or if debian has an app that will do it |
| 15:02.11 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, anyway that answer my question...the 2 interfaces are linked with the ip, exact same config on gentoo wiki and debian wiki |
| 15:02.19 | Aliekzhi | but there is the word "gentoo" |
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| 15:02.56 | user2 | aleshzhi..and i have not seen a debian solution for this |
| 15:03.11 | Aliekzhi | user2, you can use "tab" key to talk to me :) |
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| 15:03.52 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: A bridge can, but does not need to have an IP. You need to know yourself which alternative applies to you. |
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| 15:05.22 | user2 | Aliekzhi..so if you have any ideas how to implement this on debian i would like to try it |
| 15:05.28 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, well what I mean is the fact I don't see any link beetweem eth0 and tap0 on your wiki page, but I see a link beetweem 2 ip...Must I conclude these ip (given with no explanations) are the ip of the 2 interfaces which are linked ? |
| 15:05.41 | milo64 | hey, uh... debian would ask you the country you want apt-get to download from as a mirror, now, see... I wonder: If i travel to another country and... i decide to live there, how can i change the country for apt-get so apt-get reconfigures itself to download from a repo as i selected (just like in setup)? |
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| 15:06.33 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: Whut? http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces No IP at all. |
| 15:06.37 | Aliekzhi | milo64, the miror selection you mean ? you can do that with synaptic (if you use it) |
| 15:06.51 | milo64 | oh |
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| 15:07.15 | milo64 | okay |
| 15:07.30 | Aliekzhi | daemonkeeper, oh ok ! so it bridges eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 15:07.34 | milo64 | so the apt-get will rewrite the config just like in the setup huh? |
| 15:07.47 | daemonkeeper | Aliekzhi: In the wiki example yes. |
| 15:07.55 | Aliekzhi | ok thx |
| 15:08.49 | Aliekzhi | milo64, in the sybaptic menu, in the repository menu, there is something to "select best miror" |
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| 15:09.06 | milo64 | oh |
| 15:09.14 | milo64 | so it's automatic too... I see :) |
| 15:09.17 | Aliekzhi | milo64, there is also a command to do that, but don't remember |
| 15:09.20 | Kunal | whenever i try to connect to ftp server it says Response:530 Login incorrect. |
| 15:09.21 | Kunal | Error:Critical error |
| 15:09.21 | Kunal | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 15:09.28 | milo64 | okay thx |
| 15:09.29 | Aliekzhi | milo64, yes it selects best miror for your location |
| 15:09.48 | user2 | Aliekzhi..so well there are several unsolved problems with debian but it appears to be a waiting game as usual. |
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| 15:10.06 | user2 | Aliekzhi...and they are not critical as workarounds are available |
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| 15:10.46 | Aliekzhi | user2, bridging eth and wlan interface wouldn't make what you want ? |
| 15:10.50 | milo64 | oh and hey, i have a 500 GB HDD drive, what partition scheme do you recommend? |
| 15:11.14 | Aliekzhi | milo64, depends of what you want to do |
| 15:11.31 | milo64 | on a laptop, i normally code on the laptop, it's just for personal use |
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| 15:11.39 | milo64 | 2 accounts: root and suttiwit |
| 15:11.41 | Aliekzhi | milo64, if you use it as desktop you can use a separate /home |
| 15:11.48 | milo64 | nobody shares it |
| 15:11.57 | user2 | Aliekzhi..well it is a 3 hop thing...one the lan to the wifirouter...2 the wifirouter to the wifi hot spot...and 3 the hotspot to the internet as a gateway |
| 15:11.58 | milo64 | hmm |
| 15:12.08 | Aliekzhi | milo64, so if your system has any problem or you want to reinstall anything, you will be able to keep your /home |
| 15:12.23 | user2 | Aliekzhi..and i just don't have a clue how to do that |
| 15:12.34 | user2 | Aliekzhi..especially on debian |
| 15:12.45 | milo64 | Aliekzhi: ah... okay |
| 15:13.01 | milo64 | Aliekzhi: and i can tell my installer to skip /home partition right? |
| 15:13.11 | Aliekzhi | milo64, that's just an example you can do a lot of things with partioning |
| 15:13.29 | Aliekzhi | milo64, what installer ? |
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| 15:13.57 | milo64 | Aliekzhi: nvm... thanks :) |
| 15:14.25 | user2 | Aliekzhi..so if you have any ideas to try on this problem i would be interested in experimenting with them |
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| 15:14.49 | user2 | Aliekzhi...becasue there are many wifi routers in the junk piles |
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| 15:15.59 | Aliekzhi | milo64, maybe you mean reinstalling a system and telling him not to erase /home ? |
| 15:16.16 | milo64 | yes |
| 15:16.31 | Aliekzhi | user2, well it depends if you talk about physicall rooters or if they are computer rooting |
| 15:17.05 | Aliekzhi | user2, I mean computer on linux which are acting like rooters ? |
| 15:17.09 | user2 | Aliekzhi..no there are many physical linksys wifi routers in the junk piles that no one seems to be able to use |
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| 15:17.34 | user2 | Aliekzhi..because of the 3 hop issue...and possibly a bridge issue |
| 15:17.44 | user2 | from lan to wifi |
| 15:18.06 | user2 | Aliekzhi...so it is a problem that debian has not resolved |
| 15:18.36 | Aliekzhi | user2, well did you try this (replacing eth0 eth1 with eth0 wlan-number)? http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces |
| 15:18.44 | user2 | Aliekzhi...to make all that broken junk useful. |
| 15:19.00 | Aliekzhi | user2, why using so much rooters ? XD |
| 15:20.02 | Aliekzhi | user2, there are crazy networkers on #packetspushers, maybe they could find a solution to this ^^ |
| 15:20.04 | user2 | Aliekzhi...so you wont' have to a premium for wifi card/usb stick hardware....and you can just use what is alread in the junk piles. |
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| 15:20.34 | Aliekzhi | user2, oh ok |
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| 15:25.00 | user2 | Aliekzhi..but it seems like every single problem...you always have to wait...because no one has an answer. |
| 15:25.34 | Kunal | I tried installing vsftpd but when i tried to login it gives me error |
| 15:25.45 | Kunal | can someone help me? |
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| 15:30.53 | user2 | Aliezkhi...well as far as i can tell you need some kind of bridge to take packets off of the nic...and put them onto the wifi side of the wifi router. |
| 15:31.34 | user2 | Aliezkhi....then you need some kind of route for packets to travel from 1 wifi router to another |
| 15:32.04 | user2 | Alezhkhi..then you need some way to tell the nic to use the 2nd router as the gateway |
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| 15:32.18 | user2 | Alezhkia..and i dont' know if that can be done |
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| 15:33.00 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, it's hard for me to represent in my mind your network situation, seems complex |
| 15:33.21 | user2 | lan to wifi router to gateway wifi router |
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| 15:33.50 | user2 | Aliekzhi...is that extremely complex..i don't know |
| 15:33.55 | Aliekzhi_ | oh ok |
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| 15:34.46 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, does your rooters can be configured with a firmware interface access via http ? |
| 15:34.59 | Aliekzhi_ | I mean via web browsing) |
| 15:35.15 | user2 | aliekzhi..you mean can i access the first router from a web browser |
| 15:35.21 | Aliekzhi_ | yes |
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| 15:35.22 | user2 | for administration |
| 15:35.24 | Aliekzhi_ | yes |
| 15:35.27 | user2 | yes that is possible |
| 15:35.39 | Aliekzhi_ | because maybe what you're trying to do wouldn't be done by bridging |
| 15:35.46 | user2 | but i cannot access the second router as a gateway |
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| 15:36.04 | Aliekzhi_ | sounds to me more like rooter themself to be configured |
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| 15:36.44 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, no way to tell the first rooter with the interface menu "this is the gateway" ? |
| 15:36.45 | cesco | i'm on debian squeeze and I installed tomcat6 with tomcat6-admin and I can't deploy and start a simply helloworld java webservice. How can I resolve it? |
| 15:36.48 | user2 | Aliekzhi...well that is related to the problem...and there is no way to understand any of that jazz....that is why Cisco..makes so much money |
| 15:37.51 | user2 | Aliekzhi...no because the first router wants to be the gateway not the second router as an option |
| 15:37.54 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, maybe second rooter must have config like "accept transmission from the first rooter" and the first rooter "this is the gateway" |
| 15:38.48 | user2 | Aliekzhi..well there does not seem to be any way for the 2 routers to communicate |
| 15:38.50 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, can't you inverse them ? making the first 2nd and the 2nd first ? |
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| 15:39.14 | user2 | aliekzhi...no...the second is wifi access point...it is not my router |
| 15:39.27 | user2 | aliekzhi...so i cannot tamper with that |
| 15:40.02 | user2 | aliek zhi...but how can i tell the first router to use the second router as a gateway |
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| 15:41.22 | lang_ | hi |
| 15:41.29 | lang_ | i locked myself out by accident, can you help please? |
| 15:41.57 | lang_ | i did 'startx' and it opened a new session in front of my current one.. i closed it but now when i log in i get logged out right away |
| 15:42.15 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, no way to connect all computers directly to the 2nd (wifi) rooter I guess ? |
| 15:42.17 | lang_ | i cant work out what files it edited that i needto reset to fix it |
| 15:42.17 | user2 | aliekzhi..that is exactly why Cisco makes so much money....because nobody can understand all that voodoo magic stuff |
| 15:42.52 | Aliekzhi_ | user2, I'm 80 % sure you would have an answer to this on # packetpushers, it's really specialized in networking and cisco stuff |
| 15:44.00 | user2 | Aliekzhi..ok i will check there. |
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| 15:45.27 | lang_ | ive trid looking in ~ and /etc/X11 sorted by modification date but i dont see anything obvious |
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| 15:46.31 | abrotman | user2: you seem to be having a problem staying on-topic |
| 15:47.19 | lang_ | where would be the best place to ask about this? |
| 15:47.19 | debdeb | hi, i need to start another instance of tomboy. with another config/other plugins and other notes as the normal ones. i see the start-option "--note-path [PATH]". but what is with the config/plugins? any hint? |
| 15:47.24 | user2 | abrotman...well it is just several issues related to getting debian to work...none of which have been resolved yet |
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| 15:47.32 | Kunal | Now when i try to connect with filezilla it says "530 Sorry, but I can't trust you" |
| 15:47.42 | abrotman | user2: perhaps you should try a distro more oriented toward new users? |
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| 15:48.07 | user2 | abrotman...and what would that be...if not debian...it is the easiest of any i have encountered |
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| 15:48.21 | abrotman | user2: apparently your router configuration is just too complex, but it's not related to Debian |
| 15:49.00 | user2 | abortman...well debian is an os...and an os by definition is to make hardware useful. |
| 15:49.15 | abrotman | user2: does your router config work with any OS? |
| 15:49.21 | user2 | abrotman..nope |
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| 15:49.32 | abrotman | user2: then it's not Debian specific, try #networking |
| 15:49.49 | user2 | abrotman...if it did ..do you think people would throw all that junk in the junk piles. |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | user2: this is your last warning, keep it related to Debian in here |
| 15:50.15 | user2 | abrotman....they only throw what they deem is worthless or obsolete in the junk piles. |
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| 15:54.23 | user2 | and any os..is supposed to make hardware work so how can it not be a debian issue...debian strives to be an os |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | user2: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:55.02 | user2 | abrotman..i already asked it...how to do this with debian? |
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| 15:55.31 | lang_ | does anyone know about x11/xstart type stuff? |
| 15:55.48 | abrotman | user2: do what? |
| 15:55.53 | abrotman | lang_: lots of people, just ask |
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| 15:56.03 | lang_ | i was using xfce fine and i typed 'startx' and now i cant log in (i get logged out immediately) |
| 15:56.23 | user2 | abrotman...make a lan chip talk to a wifi router talk to a second wifi router as a gateway for all traffic |
| 15:56.59 | abrotman | user2: a wired interface use wireless? |
| 15:57.19 | user2 | abrotman...yes and an extra wrench in the works. |
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| 15:57.31 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: easy. screw an antenna into the rj45 jack and it's done |
| 15:57.33 | abrotman | as basic routing goes, it's not hard, but it's not a Debian problem, ask ##networking |
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| 15:57.55 | user2 | abrotman..yes i did that but no reply yet |
| 15:58.53 | user2 | abrotman...not a debian problem if no one can use the os to get to the internet |
| 15:59.22 | user2 | abrotman...without paying a premium for a hardware sollution like a wifi card or a wifi usbstick |
| 15:59.44 | mumpitze1 | 10 bucks and you have a wlan stick |
| 15:59.57 | user2 | that is a premium |
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| 16:00.35 | lang_ | can you help me please |
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| 16:01.15 | mumpitze1 | lang_: what debian? |
| 16:01.29 | lang_ | Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 |
| 16:01.36 | mumpitze1 | that's not debian |
| 16:01.50 | mumpitze1 | ah. bpo |
| 16:01.50 | lang_ | i got that from uname -a |
| 16:02.26 | mumpitze1 | check your ~/.xsession-errors maybe? |
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| 16:02.51 | lang_ | i do have that file and there's a lot in it but i dont know how to read it |
| 16:03.06 | lang_ | at the bottom is says a few Fatal IO error 11 |
| 16:03.31 | lang_ | there is this line too: xfce4-settings-helper: Another instance is already running. Leaving... |
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| 16:05.07 | mumpitze1 | lang_: have you rebooted since you encountered the problem. probably easier than looking for some .lock file somewhere |
| 16:05.38 | lang_ | i did reboot, maybe i should do it again |
| 16:07.13 | mumpitze1 | no. if it's still there then this isn't it |
| 16:07.30 | mumpitze1 | delete the .xsession-errors and try to log in again, then pastebin the file maybe |
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| 16:09.11 | lang_ | i trie rebooting but it still logs me out when i try to log in |
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| 16:11.41 | lang_ | this is the .xsession-errors file http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=H9Nv5Fxj |
| 16:12.14 | lang_ | is there anything there that suggests what I should do? |
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| 16:16.29 | lang_ | any ideas for things I should try or more places to find diagnostic information please? |
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| 16:17.02 | abrotman | lang_: seems to tell you what the error is |
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| 16:17.21 | abrotman | lang_: how did you install xorg? |
| 16:17.34 | mumpitze1 | lang_: try deleting the content of ~/.cache/sessions/ |
| 16:17.39 | lang_ | sorry i dont know a lot about this stuff, I just installed debian using the CD from the website |
| 16:17.46 | lang_ | thanks mumpitze1 Ill try it |
| 16:18.23 | abrotman | langkid1: aptitude install xorg |
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| 16:19.18 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: from what I understand he already runs xdm or such. that would mean xorg is already there. not to mention :1 as a xserver which means there must be a :0 somewhere |
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| 16:19.44 | lang_ | tried deleting the 3 files in .cache/sessions but its still logging me out when itr y to log in |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | has he tried as a new user? |
| 16:20.27 | lang_ | im in as a different user now |
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| 16:21.41 | abrotman | using XFCE ? |
| 16:22.02 | lang_ | yes |
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| 16:22.22 | Bronze | Hi, I'm looking at some documentation for creating a dedicated debian-boot flash drive. It specifies a ".img" file with "usb-hdd" in the file name. I've looked in the tree specified and there are no longer any ".img" files nor any with "usb-hdd" in the name. The tree is "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/" can anyone tell me which file I should use instead? of a .img file? |
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| 16:22.29 | dgeary2 | is there an equivalent of 'd-i debian-installer/allow-unauthenticated string true' for lxc preseeds? |
| 16:22.37 | Bronze | The document is here:http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies |
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| 16:25.30 | lang_ | I am just completely lost about what i should do now :( |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | lang_: what's your error log again |
| 16:25.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:26.12 | lang_ | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=H9Nv5Fxj |
| 16:26.24 | lang_ | that is the file .xsession-errors |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | lang_: and the .xsession-errors for the user it does work for? |
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| 16:28.26 | lang_ | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3qN4QkWh |
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| 16:29.05 | abrotman | and they're both using xfce? |
| 16:29.09 | lang_ | yes |
| 16:29.37 | abrotman | lang_: create a third user, copy in your xfce settings |
| 16:29.51 | lang_ | how do i copy xfce settings? |
| 16:29.52 | lang_ | is that a file |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | probably a directory? |
| 16:31.53 | lang_ | i dont see any directory like that |
| 16:31.59 | jklaz | ls -a ~/ |
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| 16:32.09 | jklaz | see sth like .xfce4 |
| 16:32.10 | lang_ | yeah i looke using that command |
| 16:32.17 | jklaz | or sth like that |
| 16:32.19 | lang_ | but i dont have .xfce4 or anything similar |
| 16:32.48 | lang_ | ill try logging in as 3rd using anyway |
| 16:33.17 | jklaz | ls -a ~/.config |
| 16:33.21 | jklaz | check that |
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| 16:35.33 | lang_ | hi I deleted all . the files and tht fixed it! |
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| 16:35.55 | lang_ | thanks for all the suggestions and stuff |
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| 16:40.37 | abrotman | a bit drastic |
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| 16:49.45 | vt0r | I wonder if he also deleted . and/or .. |
| 16:49.46 | vt0r | :D |
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| 16:54.36 | CuteAlien | Hi. It seems mozilla-mplayer got deprecated. Is there any replacement package or is the mplayer for iceweasel no longer supported at all? |
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| 16:55.42 | usrnix | Hi, is there a site that walks you through generating (or is it just a simple command) to generate an SSL/TLS cert? (besides the overly comprehensive and old debian-administrator site) |
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| 16:58.04 | abrotman | usrnix: the openssl.org website has one IIRC |
| 16:58.27 | usrnix | abrotman: thanks, good point :) |
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| 16:59.06 | yznou | hi everyone. I'm having some trouble setting up SELinux under wheezy. Output of audit2why -al, almost directly after boot shows ~150 errors (http://pastebin.com/924uDsQx ) ... not sure what I can do about this |
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| 17:09.27 | CuteAlien | hmpf, wmv files in iceweasel are a pain now. Totem crashes most the time, vlc does not display the time and mplayer doesn't let me modify the video-position *sigh*. |
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| 17:10.32 | usrnix | CuteAlien: luckily nearly noone uses that old format these days :P |
| 17:10.51 | CuteAlien | Doesn't help me if the one side I use most uses it *sigh* |
| 17:11.01 | CuteAlien | http://timms.uni-tuebingen.de/Themen/Themen.aspx#Geowissenschaften |
| 17:11.44 | CuteAlien | I wish they wouldn't |
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| 17:12.51 | abrotman | could do without the time :) |
| 17:13.03 | abrotman | CuteAlien: did you try xine or gstreamer? |
| 17:13.25 | CuteAlien | xine ...hm, does it have a iceweasel plugin? I think I didn't try that yet. |
| 17:14.00 | CuteAlien | abrotman, without time is a problem because starting at time X doesn't work. And so I have to find the right place by the displayed time... |
| 17:14.26 | CuteAlien | And with 90 minutes videos that's hard without time display |
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| 17:17.32 | CuteAlien | xine plugin crashing |
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| 17:18.14 | CuteAlien | damn shitty format, they do they use it :-( |
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| 17:19.07 | mamed | hello guys.i have a problem with firmware-linux-nonfree drivers. my system is debian 7.0 with xfce .after downloaing the firmware drivers my desktop is not opening so everytime i have to switch vc1 and type startx. and the other problem is i cannot mount my hard drives |
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| 17:20.01 | mamed | is there anyone who knows how to overcome this problem? |
| 17:20.16 | daveee123 | to install the nvidia driver, i have the non-free sources, but what is the apt-get command? install nvidia? |
| 17:20.20 | Monotoko | eugh, how would I resize a partition on a debian server? My holiday is being disturbed already :( |
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| 17:20.30 | mamed | daveee123, never install them |
| 17:20.31 | abrotman | daveee123: /msg dpkg nvidia dkmss |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | daveee123: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 17:21.29 | mamed | daveee123, i have installed the non free drivers and now it doesnot open my xfce desktop. i asked the xfce guys and they told me to ass debian guys also they added that "you have f*cked up your graphics" |
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| 17:22.36 | abrotman | mamed: that doesn't happen for everyone |
| 17:22.44 | abrotman | nor is it the norm |
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| 17:23.33 | mamed | aboman, this is the problem with debian xfce adn the drivers |
| 17:23.49 | mamed | one of my friend came across that problem and he had to uninstall the xfce |
| 17:24.02 | mamed | but from my point of view there must a solution |
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| 17:27.44 | abrotman | mamed: it is not |
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| 17:28.04 | mamed | i think i will solve this issue myself |
| 17:28.17 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:28.41 | mamed | if i add the sfxc4-sessions to my ./home/.config/.autostart |
| 17:28.59 | mamed | it will be ok . or more i have to do some changes in my x profile files |
| 17:29.54 | mamed | because when i type startx from my cv1 i am able to open my desktp so that means some of my config files are missing. but also ihave another problem . i am nut full control my desktop so this is about being in root group or not |
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| 17:42.26 | Shizuo | Hi |
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| 17:44.52 | JayPro | hey all |
| 17:45.05 | usrnix | hi, how do I make an account to run a server under? so without a home dir I guess |
| 17:45.38 | Deeps | useradd |
| 17:45.49 | Deeps | you'll wanna specify -r to note it's a system account too |
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| 17:45.59 | Deeps | check the other flags that's output from running useradd on it's own as well |
| 17:46.09 | usrnix | thanks Deeps |
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| 17:50.26 | axisys | where to find the key for http://rsfcode.isc.org/ ? |
| 17:50.28 | axisys | W: GPG error: http://rsfcode.isc.org squeeze-rsf Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3EC426506D6907D9 |
| 17:51.16 | axisys | i search few key server and do not see it |
| 17:51.31 | axisys | using this is sources.list |
| 17:51.33 | axisys | deb http://rsfcode.isc.org/debian squeeze-rsf main |
| 17:53.06 | abrotman | axisys: ask them, how should we know? |
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| 17:55.26 | zipy | hey, when i add testing main contrib to the apt-source list, do i still have the wheezy/main packages and wheezy-security or will it be overwriten? |
| 17:55.45 | zipy | i want to keep the sable system but add also newest software |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | no |
| 17:56.09 | abrotman | that's not how you do that |
| 17:56.16 | zipy | ye i thought so |
| 17:56.24 | abrotman | and you've probably made a mess of your system now |
| 17:56.25 | zipy | it will all get overwriten by testing right? |
| 17:56.35 | zipy | i didnt change it yet |
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| 17:57.18 | zipy | so there is no way to keep the secure one and still use some applications of testing? |
| 17:57.27 | zipy | or maybe i just install with -t testing? |
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| 17:58.58 | abrotman | zipy: think about what you're actually asking |
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| 18:00.06 | zipy | brb |
| 18:01.29 | Amadiro | Evening. I've set up an ftp filesystem in /etc/fstab with curlftpfs & fuse, but the startup scripts at boot try to mount the fuse filesystem before the network is up. Anyone got a cure for that? |
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| 18:02.55 | abrotman | Amadiro: don't set it to be auto, make it run from a post-up for the network |
| 18:03.47 | Amadiro | abrotman, do I have to write a separate init script for that? Or are you referring to some fstab option? |
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| 18:08.35 | abrotman | Amadiro: man interfaces .. see the post-up options |
| 18:08.43 | Amadiro | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 18:11.57 | abrotman | Amadiro: make sense? |
| 18:12.06 | Amadiro | abrotman, yeah, added it, rebooting now. |
| 18:12.32 | abrotman | did you set it to noauto in your fstab so it wouldn't have to timeout? |
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| 18:13.16 | Amadiro | yep |
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| 18:17.46 | Amadiro | abrotman, hm, well, it ran through without giving any errors, and typing "mount ftpmount/" works too, but it did not mount it at startup. I'll have to loiter through the logs. |
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| 18:23.19 | zipy | re, had to install gpu drivers |
| 18:24.05 | zipy | soo, i can only use either testing or stable but not one and some parts of the other? |
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| 18:25.19 | zipy | but what if i stick to stable and use apt-get -t testing install something for example |
| 18:26.18 | bla | Will it install lots of dependencies? |
| 18:26.32 | bla | (require different glibc, etc.?) Which would pretty much defy your idea? |
| 18:27.18 | bla | I think that there's experimental for this cause which works on stable. |
| 18:27.41 | tremon | nope, experimental targets sid |
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| 18:28.45 | tremon | backporting is the only supported solution to get newer software on stable. Either through debian-backports, or manual backport with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:28.52 | zipy | ok so if i want to use some applications of testing i should go with jessie? |
| 18:29.14 | tremon | which application? |
| 18:29.34 | bla | I use jessie for desktop successfully at least. |
| 18:29.47 | zipy | yes it is for my desktop too |
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| 18:29.53 | zipy | for my server i only use wheezy |
| 18:29.57 | onethfour | how do i compare 2 directories? |
| 18:30.08 | zipy | but laptop + desktop jessie then |
| 18:30.12 | zipy | thank you |
| 18:30.28 | tremon | be aware that it's called testing for a reason. Things occasionally break |
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| 18:31.07 | zipy | but the testing repositorys are pretty stable already |
| 18:31.20 | zipy | i just won use it for servers when it comes to security |
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| 18:31.37 | tremon | note the use of occasionally instead of continually ;) |
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| 18:32.58 | tremon | if you're not equipped/prepared to fix things/file bugs, testing may be the wrong choice. Many here run testing on the desktop, so it's certainly usable. Just making sure you know what you're doing |
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| 18:43.50 | ImaLamer | onethfour: in what way are you comparing them? |
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| 18:49.12 | Nerdy | helo |
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| 18:50.12 | Nerdy | how come seting nautilus handle desktop is making my cpu go crazy |
| 18:50.21 | Nerdy | its not doing this on my laptop |
| 18:50.34 | jklaz | try thunar |
| 18:50.37 | Nerdy | i have the same setup there |
| 18:50.44 | CuteAlien | Do debian packages which are created from some git sources somewhere still contain the git-log - or the version which was used to create the package? |
| 18:50.49 | Nerdy | only thing is diff is opengl |
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| 18:51.53 | babilen | CuteAlien: They don't - You can get that easily from the repository itself. We try to do ship a comprehensive changelog for each upstream project though. |
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| 18:53.06 | Swervz | Hi |
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| 18:53.20 | Swervz | Is there a seperate version of debian for servers? |
| 18:53.26 | CuteAlien | babilen, how can I get it from the repository? Right now I'm doing it like that: Checkout the file that interests me and diff it. If too many chagnes - checkout earlier version and compare, etc. |
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| 18:53.58 | CuteAlien | Basically I compare package source with git sources of different versions until they look identical... |
| 18:54.08 | Nerdy | gaize |
| 18:54.17 | Nerdy | plz help me recover my gnome lol |
| 18:54.26 | Nerdy | i lost my thumbs too |
| 18:55.02 | Nerdy | tried reinstalling gnome |
| 18:55.07 | tremon | Swervz: no. Whether you use your debian installation as server or desktop depends simply on the packages you choose |
| 18:55.58 | babilen | CuteAlien: We package official releases; most upstream projects tag their releases properly so it shouldn't be too hard to find the release in the "git tags" output |
| 18:56.13 | CuteAlien | ah, that's what you mean. ok. |
| 18:56.34 | CuteAlien | thx |
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| 18:57.46 | Swervz | I manually installed debian on a virtualbox, how can i connect with putty?, as i want to use the commandline |
| 18:58.27 | onethfour | thats actually a little tricky |
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| 18:58.31 | onethfour | it has to do with your Vbox settings |
| 18:58.36 | Swervz | ah |
| 18:58.51 | onethfour | i've done it a couple times, once for virtualbox and once for vmware |
| 18:58.53 | onethfour | both times a bit tricky |
| 18:59.07 | onethfour | but there are some blog/tutorials out there that isolate this exact issue |
| 18:59.29 | onethfour | if you can give your vm a static ip address that is a cool way to do it also |
| 18:59.38 | Swervz | ok thanks |
| 18:59.38 | onethfour | basically you should have your own ip for your vm |
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| 19:00.04 | Vsim | Swervz its much easier if you switch to a bridged network adapter on the VM, rather than the NAT network adapter |
| 19:00.17 | Swervz | ok |
| 19:00.32 | Vsim | otherwise you will need to fuss with virtualbox port forwarding, pretty much what onethfour says |
| 19:00.50 | Vsim | after that you just need to install ssh on your deb server, # apt-get install ssh then find out the IP and connect |
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| 19:01.25 | avallark | hello all :) |
| 19:02.06 | Swervz | avallark: Hi |
| 19:02.11 | avallark | i have an ideapad yoga with an extra sensitive touchpad, how do i tone it down? |
| 19:02.28 | avallark | basic problem is "PalmDetect" .. that doesnt work |
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| 19:04.07 | avallark | whenever i type i see the mouse all over the screen and jumping up and down. |
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| 19:06.36 | onethfour | avallark, can you disable the touchpad? |
| 19:06.57 | avallark | then i ll need to use the mouse? |
| 19:07.02 | onethfour | avallark, other than that use apt-get install touchpad-toner-downer |
| 19:07.20 | onethfour | yeah i had to disable my touchpad (but i use a usb mouse) |
| 19:07.43 | Swervz | damn it |
| 19:07.44 | Nerdy | hwo can i fix nautilus cpu bug |
| 19:07.46 | onethfour | so perhaps write a program which disables the touchpad temporarily |
| 19:07.48 | Nerdy | with gnome desktop |
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| 19:07.59 | Swervz | Accidentally skipped the install softeare screen |
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| 19:09.41 | mumpitze1 | Swervz: just run "tasksel" afterwards if you want to. but most people don't |
| 19:10.13 | Swervz | ok thanks |
| 19:10.27 | Swervz | I wanted to install the webserver software |
| 19:11.29 | mumpitze1 | !lamp |
| 19:11.29 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp, or http://geek-and-poke.com/geekandpoke/2013/6/15/the-geekpoke-old-chestnut-of-the-week |
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| 19:13.52 | avallark | onethfour: haha |
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| 19:14.15 | avallark | no man, i dont want to use a mouse |
| 19:14.18 | ikonia | avallark: is this ubuntu or debian you are using |
| 19:14.21 | avallark | thats annoying to lug around another mouse |
| 19:14.31 | avallark | aah shucks you are here as well |
| 19:14.33 | avallark | its ubuntu |
| 19:14.50 | ikonia | this channel is for Debian as it says in the topic |
| 19:14.57 | sharky | guys can I get from somewhere the .conf files of the newest debian kernels? |
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| 19:15.20 | avallark | ikonia: doh |
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| 19:17.01 | avallark | sorry got disc |
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| 19:18.05 | avallark | onethfour: man, so is this a dead end.. there re so many lenovo users on debian, i was hoping someone would have a solution. |
| 19:18.10 | Nerdy | am i the only one with a lagging nautilus |
| 19:19.14 | ikonia | avallark: not quite sure why you are still trying to get support in #debian for your ubuntu system |
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| 19:19.40 | avallark | because ubuntu is debian based and debian is so much more hardcore than ubuntu |
| 19:20.19 | ikonia | avallark: then I suggest using debian |
| 19:20.24 | ikonia | as there are differences between them |
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| 19:24.37 | Nerdy | debian is a bit faster |
| 19:24.38 | avallark | i found a solution where it disables the touchpad click when i am typing... |
| 19:24.39 | Nerdy | and lighter |
| 19:24.48 | avallark | not a very elegant solution, but sort of works.. |
| 19:24.52 | Nerdy | i found that with ubuntu my repo quickly got out of hand |
| 19:24.56 | avallark | just in case anyone is interested. |
| 19:25.06 | Nerdy | ubuntu is still a great system |
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| 19:25.15 | Nerdy | just have to watch it more |
| 19:25.17 | avallark | debian is great.. i have been using debian for over 9 years now.. |
| 19:25.42 | Nerdy | i was also able to install debian7 on macbook air |
| 19:25.53 | Nerdy | and everything just worked |
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| 19:26.04 | Nerdy | w out any scripts or any special bull business |
| 19:26.45 | avallark | but now that i am working (mba shit) i needed to get my laptop up and running without much configurations.. which is where ubuntu comes into play |
| 19:26.55 | avallark | have heard great things about Mint as well. |
| 19:27.08 | Nerdy | mint is the shit |
| 19:27.13 | Nerdy | beter than ubuntu |
| 19:27.28 | avallark | Nerdy: I was able to on my mbp, but i had problems with the touchpad there as well. |
| 19:27.32 | avallark | haha |
| 19:27.39 | Nerdy | so its like ubuntu -> mint -> mingdebian -> debian |
| 19:27.42 | Nerdy | hehehe |
| 19:27.55 | Nerdy | its funny tho |
| 19:28.02 | Nerdy | coz debian is like the granpa linux |
| 19:28.19 | avallark | yeah it is.. |
| 19:28.22 | Nerdy | i guess ppl used to fear debian |
| 19:28.32 | Nerdy | but w wheezy its like easier than ubuntu |
| 19:28.40 | avallark | i had switched from redhat to debian in 2001 because of one application mp3blaster |
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| 19:28.48 | Nerdy | omfg |
| 19:28.56 | Nerdy | redhat based linuxes suk |
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| 19:29.03 | Nerdy | yum crap |
| 19:29.07 | avallark | then i found out about apt-get and then never looked back.. |
| 19:29.14 | Nerdy | i use centos at work |
| 19:29.16 | avallark | yum is very recent.. they had nothing before. |
| 19:29.23 | ikonia | yum is not recent |
| 19:29.24 | avallark | centos is pretty much rhel itself. |
| 19:29.41 | Nerdy | i dont know why sys admins fear debian so much |
| 19:29.46 | Nerdy | most r prety nubby |
| 19:29.49 | jkamp | they had up2date well before yum. |
| 19:29.51 | Nerdy | they talk a big one tho |
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| 19:29.58 | jkamp | and apt was ported to redhat for years. |
| 19:29.59 | ikonia | Nerdy: please, no-one is fearing debian |
| 19:30.07 | ikonia | and calling people nubby - pathetic |
| 19:30.22 | Nerdy | ikonia, am i talking to u lol |
| 19:30.26 | Nerdy | jus look the other way |
| 19:30.29 | Th0masR0ss | debian is the base of a lot of systems |
| 19:30.31 | Th0masR0ss | er |
| 19:30.32 | Nerdy | we have a friendly convo going |
| 19:30.40 | avallark | :) |
| 19:30.45 | Th0masR0ss | s/systems/distros |
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| 19:30.50 | Nerdy | why does every1 on irc think they own the chat |
| 19:31.02 | Nerdy | mind ur own bull business |
| 19:31.03 | ikonia | may want to take your chat to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:31.03 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys, I have this very annoying issue where if i plug in headphones or speakers, my laptop will still play sound from its internal speakers. muting just the seakers will mute everything. i read on google to update the kernal which didnt work. Any help? |
| 19:31.10 | ikonia | Nerdy: its s public channel, |
| 19:31.26 | Nerdy | ok help me fix my nautilus |
| 19:31.29 | Nerdy | iz broke |
| 19:31.38 | Nerdy | its taking so much cpu not even funy |
| 19:31.39 | avallark | Asad3ainJalout: that IS annoying.. i had this issue |
| 19:31.59 | avallark | Nerdy: what aare you on experimental? |
| 19:32.01 | Nerdy | Asad3ainJalout, this is where you get a macbook |
| 19:32.04 | Nerdy | hehehe |
| 19:32.05 | avallark | tried s-trace |
| 19:32.11 | Nerdy | avallark, no |
| 19:32.15 | Nerdy | wheezy 7.1 |
| 19:32.25 | Asad3ainJalout | avallark: my internal speakers are blown out (old laptop) so trying to watch Monty Python and the holy grail meant i had an undertone of fuzziness coming from my laptop as well as the clear sound from my speakers |
| 19:32.39 | Asad3ainJalout | Nerdy: not thanks, I hate apple products |
| 19:32.43 | Asad3ainJalout | No* |
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| 19:33.14 | avallark | ,g speakers microphones switch |
| 19:33.14 | Nerdy | damn NAUT ilus |
| 19:33.21 | Asad3ainJalout | avallark: did you find a solution eventually? |
| 19:33.23 | Nerdy | but it works fine on my other wheezy install |
| 19:33.43 | avallark | Asad3ainJalout: yes i did.. lemme just do a google.. hold on pls. |
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| 19:33.55 | Asad3ainJalout | avallark: thank you sir |
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| 19:34.45 | avallark | Nerdy: do an fsck on your disks |
| 19:35.08 | ikonia | why ? |
| 19:35.12 | ikonia | why check the file system ? |
| 19:38.05 | avallark | if i remember right, it was something wrong with the soundcard being usb modules or so.. |
| 19:38.51 | ikonia | why fsck though ? |
| 19:39.24 | avallark | ikonia: please mind your ubuntu business.. we were having a conversation here.. |
| 19:39.29 | avallark | and please get off my case! |
| 19:39.37 | ikonia | it's a PUBLIC channel |
| 19:39.48 | ikonia | hence why I am quetioning why he needs to run fsck ? |
| 19:40.10 | avallark | ikonia: aren't you happy with kicking me out of #ubuntu? |
| 19:40.20 | ikonia | not sure why that has anything to do with my question |
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| 19:40.28 | ikonia | why fsck is needed to fix his problem is my query |
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| 19:41.02 | Nerdy | srly ikonia go troll sum place else |
| 19:41.06 | Nerdy | we got it handled |
| 19:41.11 | ikonia | I'm asking a pretty reasonable question |
| 19:41.14 | ikonia | why is fsck needed ? |
| 19:41.25 | ikonia | (in relation to resolving your issue) |
| 19:41.27 | avallark | Asad3ainJalout: most places do suggest you upgrade teh kernel.. pulse audio updates etc. mostly they point to this being a bug. |
| 19:41.42 | ikonia | upgrade the kernel ??? |
| 19:41.59 | ikonia | sorry, I'm just surprised this seems so random |
| 19:41.59 | Asad3ainJalout | avallark: well my kernal is the latest using aptitude upgrade. any other tricks you guys suggest? |
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| 19:42.57 | avallark | Asad3ainJalout: http://linux4unme.forumotion.com/t43-speakers-don-t-mute-when-headphones-are-plugged-in-speakers-headphones-at-the-same-time-s#536 << try this |
| 19:43.43 | jmcnaught | Asad3ainJalout: i think that ALSA had correctly identified your sound card, but perhaps configured it wrong. some cards have different layouts (for different input/output configurations for different computers). that's what the link avallark just pasted is talking about |
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| 19:45.36 | Asad3ainJalout | thank you guys I will try it out now |
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| 19:53.40 | Nerdy | god damn u gaize suk |
| 19:53.51 | Nerdy | i jus fixded my nautilus |
| 19:54.00 | Nerdy | jus make a new user |
| 19:54.02 | Nerdy | logout |
| 19:54.04 | Nerdy | login |
| 19:54.06 | Nerdy | boom! |
| 19:54.17 | Nerdy | cpu usage back to 3% |
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| 19:54.27 | ikonia | I'd hardly call that a fix |
| 19:54.29 | ikonia | you've had to use a new user |
| 19:54.34 | Nerdy | what |
| 19:54.35 | ikonia | it's more like a debugging tool/process |
| 19:54.38 | Nerdy | r u stupis? |
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| 19:54.53 | Nerdy | move on troll |
| 19:54.56 | Nerdy | gah |
| 19:55.51 | bazhang | !ops | Nerdy |
| 19:55.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | Nerdy |
| 19:55.53 | ikonia | I'd suggest looking at the differences between your users though, especially the config files |
| 19:56.09 | ikonia | as a new user isn't really a fix, but it does show the issue is central to a config of that specific user |
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| 19:56.14 | Nerdy | wow what is bazhang doing here |
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| 19:56.36 | Nerdy | !ops | bazhang |
| 19:56.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nerdy complains about: | bazhang |
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| 19:56.54 | jmcnaught | thanks |
| 19:57.01 | bazhang | thank you |
| 19:57.07 | babilen | np |
| 19:57.27 | avallark | back! |
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| 19:57.42 | avallark | ah faulty .nautilus |
| 19:57.49 | ikonia | .nautilus ? |
| 19:57.52 | ikonia | who said that was the problem |
| 19:58.10 | avallark | Nerdy: do you want to ignore her, or shall I ? |
| 19:58.35 | ikonia | there isn't even a .nautilus file/directory |
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| 19:58.39 | ikonia | avallark: nerdy has just been banned |
| 19:59.12 | avallark | why? |
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| 19:59.32 | Th0masR0ss | avallark: scroll up. |
| 19:59.35 | nerdy_ | you let the trolls stay |
| 19:59.39 | nerdy_ | but kick the experts |
| 19:59.44 | Th0masR0ss | !ops nerdy ban evading |
| 19:59.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: th0masr0ss complains about: nerdy ban evading |
| 19:59.45 | nerdy_ | you are a fucking retard |
| 19:59.46 | avallark | :) |
| 19:59.48 | babilen | nerdy_: Drop it. |
| 19:59.52 | sharky | babilen, just saw that you are here that is why I ask directly, do you know where I can get the .conf file of latest compiled kernel in debian 3.10 for example |
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| 20:00.00 | nerdy_ | reatard |
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| 20:00.10 | nerdy_ | you are fucking retard |
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| 20:00.30 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 20:00.39 | avallark | he is pbbly on a tor network.. banning ips wont help mate |
| 20:00.48 | babilen | Lets move on |
| 20:01.04 | Vsim | funny thing is nerdy answered their own question when they asked it the first time lol |
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| 20:03.50 | avallark | :) |
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| 20:06.13 | avallark | wow, i havent seen people getting banned from channels for mild abuses or being funny like this.. atleast not in debian |
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| 20:06.27 | ikonia | avallark: I think he said "drop it" |
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| 20:06.30 | ikonia | maybe wise to follow that |
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| 20:13.34 | mmc1 | is there a system to .... keep a source package with subst-variables in the names of (binary) packages, so that the resulting bin. pkg -- intended as an extension library/module for certain API, is specific for that api? like postgresql-{API}-my-extension ? |
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| 20:16.54 | tremon | you mean generating package dependencies at compile-time? I don't think so (build-dependencies are hardcoded), but you may want to ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 20:21.45 | mmc1 | tremon: it's not about dependencies. you have some "kernel" which uses loadable modules. different "kernels" can be instealled in parallel, but each version/api needs different version of extensions. Hence the extension binary pkg must be named specifically for the API/version. |
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| 20:23.49 | tremon | so you have one source package from which you want to generate multiple binary packages, but the name of the binary depends on the version of some other package it's build against? |
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| 20:24.08 | tremon | s/build/built/ |
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| 20:27.17 | galant | how can I install nginx with php-fpm on wheezy? |
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| 20:34.08 | jmcnaught | galant: you can use apt to install them. here's a howto i found on google: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nginx-with-php5-and-php-fpm-and-mysql-support-lemp-on-debian-wheezy |
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| 20:35.12 | jmcnaught | galant: there are a lot of other howtos out there. i usually read 2 or 3 and compare them before i start out |
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| 20:39.03 | galant | jmcnaught, thanks man |
| 20:39.43 | galant | honestly which distro is best for webserver? |
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| 20:40.01 | jmcnaught | galant: well debian is pretty popular around here |
| 20:40.32 | mmc1 | tremon: yes, exactly |
| 20:40.33 | jmcnaught | doesn't hurt to try out different options though. i use debian for my web servers |
| 20:40.38 | ImaLamer | stability is important for webservers |
| 20:40.41 | galant | I am worried about nginx version, if I install it with apt-get can I attach php-fpm to it? |
| 20:41.10 | galant | I just formated my pc |
| 20:41.31 | galant | I had centos 6.4 I couldn't get nginx with php-fpm so I gave up as I can't bring my website online |
| 20:41.40 | galant | so I install debian wheezy now |
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| 20:42.08 | galant | on other machine I have wheezyand its working liek charm with php-fpm, problem is I don't remember how I installed it I think with normal debian repo but not sure |
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| 20:43.05 | tremon | mmc1: ok, that's probably doable, but you'd need to do it yourself. You can create a rule in debian/rules that generates/modifies debian/control. Whether that's wise or if there's a better way, I don't know |
| 20:43.56 | jmcnaught | galant: i recommend sticking to the packages available in the debian repositories. you'll be able to get it to work, but you probably want to read the documentation for nginx and php5-fpm. also it's always good to check /usr/share/doc/<package name>/ to see if there's a README.Debian.gz file that lists any modifications made by Debian |
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| 20:44.51 | galant | packages in debian normal repo are 100% secure? |
| 20:45.59 | jmcnaught | unfortunately nothing to do with computers is 100% secure. but it'll be easier to maintain the server if you stick with the debian packages, you'll be less likely to encounter difficulties integrating all the pieces together etc. |
| 20:46.51 | Noskcaj | Is there a "how-to" for packaging a program already in ubuntu? |
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| 20:51.07 | Artemis3 | If you are interested in Phoronix benchmarks, there is a poll going on "Which Linux Distribution Should Be Benchmarked Most On Phoronix?" Cast your votes ^^ http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?82746-Vote-On-A-Distribution-For-Linux-Benchmarking |
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| 20:55.42 | jelly-home | galant: there's no such thing as 100% secure, but debian stable does have a security team taking care of known issues |
| 20:55.43 | galant | what is the difference between update and upgrade I can't understand? |
| 20:56.00 | jelly-home | !tracker of doom |
| 20:56.01 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 20:56.02 | galant | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 20:56.25 | jelly-home | if you have a specific issue in mind consult the above links |
| 20:56.54 | galant | I know of a site known as something like packet storm security I was checking that from 1995 :) |
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| 20:57.04 | galant | it reported new vurnelabilites you know it |
| 20:57.06 | galant | ? |
| 20:57.35 | galant | jelly-home, please what is the diffference between update and upgrade? |
| 20:57.52 | musca | !upgrade |
| 20:57.52 | dpkg | upgrade is probably what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 20:58.33 | Vsim | galant are you asking what the different between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade are? |
| 20:58.34 | galant | with upgrade if new version of debian is released I wil lget the new version automatically? |
| 20:58.39 | galant | yes |
| 20:58.40 | tremon | galant: "update" only updates the list of known packages on your machine, it doesn't install anything |
| 20:58.44 | jelly-home | galant: in context of apt, and update is just a refresh of the database with packages avilable from configured sources. |
| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | s/and/an/ |
| 20:59.00 | galant | Vsim, yes I can't udnerstand whats difference between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 20:59.24 | Vsim | what they just said, update gets a list of the packages, upgrade will upgrade your packages |
| 20:59.31 | galant | ok thanks all for information |
| 20:59.49 | zykotick9 | mentions dist-upgrade (probably the least understood apt command), then runs away giggling... |
| 20:59.50 | Vsim | so if you plan on updating your files run # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:00.36 | musca | !dist-upgrade |
| 21:00.36 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
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| 21:03.58 | galant | thanks |
| 21:04.23 | Vsim | galant, a good example would be changing the sources.list. If you change your sources list and run apt-get upgrade the upgrade won't notice the changes in the sources.list. If you change your sources.list then run apt-get update your apt-get upgrade will notices the changes in your sources.list |
| 21:04.28 | galant | I was on centos 6.4 but I was stuck I coudln't get nginx and php5-fpm to work together |
| 21:04.38 | galant | they are working like charm with default apt-get installs |
| 21:04.59 | galant | I coudln't get them woking with yum install php5-fpm is not in centos 6.4 core repo I ghad to link epel repo :S |
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| 21:05.19 | galant | so I guess centos 6.4 is not as good as debian for beginners |
| 21:05.48 | galant | Vsim, ok thanks for valuable information |
| 21:06.40 | Vsim | Every distro has its downside. I prefer debian for its "openness" and stability. |
| 21:07.43 | zykotick9 | debian's free and community based, natures are also it's strong points. |
| 21:08.49 | Robert_L | the package repository is excellent too |
| 21:09.27 | jmcnaught | excellent IRC support too |
| 21:09.47 | zykotick9 | debian's stable release, is the finest example of what RMS first imagined "a free unix" - technically excellent |
| 21:11.37 | galant | ah what is going on? vi editor is acting weird on centos 6.4 vi was different? when I press "i" I can't edit the files why I get some ctrange characters |
| 21:11.40 | Robert_L | I've done dist upgrades from lenny to squeeze and from squeeze to wheezy, in every case it's gone smooth as silk |
| 21:12.09 | tremon | galant: you get strange characters when typing, or when navigating with the arrow keys? |
| 21:13.24 | galant | when navigating with arrow keys and backspace key etc |
| 21:13.56 | galant | Robert_L, when new version of debian is available atp-get update & upgrade will install it? |
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| 21:15.02 | tremon | galant: try :set nocompatible |
| 21:15.11 | Robert_L | galant, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, and you're done. Reboot to apply the new kernel image. |
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| 21:15.42 | galant | yeh tremon now everything is like in centos vi :) |
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| 21:15.56 | galant | Robert_L, thanks - thanks all guys thanks |
| 21:16.06 | tremon | technically, it's working like vim (aka vi improved) |
| 21:16.08 | XLV | Robert_L, its not always so straightforward |
| 21:16.17 | tremon | you may want to add that line to ~/.vimrc |
| 21:16.35 | Robert_L | XLV, I don't use backports or 3rd party repos ... anymore. One box went very badly. |
| 21:16.51 | XLV | i am right now dealing with the sessioninstaller issue |
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| 21:17.00 | Vsim | I second the recommendation for not using 3rd party repos! |
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| 21:21.19 | daveee123 | is the non-free nvidia driver suggested over the nouveau driver? |
| 21:22.09 | CuteAlien | not in here :-) |
| 21:22.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey everyone, I am trying to strech my xbmc acroess my two rotateed screens in wheezy, I am using the twinview, since it lets me rotate still, but i have as of yet gotten xbmc to go full screen on one monitor. |
| 21:22.53 | CuteAlien | But basically - if you need it (mainly 3d...) then go with it. |
| 21:22.56 | daveee123 | CuteAlien: just checking. because i don't have the nvidia driver installed. and the gpu temp is about 6degrees lower |
| 21:22.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | er two monitors, one is fine the other turns off when i go full |
| 21:23.00 | Aramur | daveee123: may I ask what card are you using and what are you using it for (games?)? |
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| 21:23.47 | daveee123 | Aramur: GTX 555(oem) mostly multitasking. no gaming. also 3d rendering in openscad |
| 21:23.50 | CuteAlien | But be aware that it's a constant pain to use the proprietary drivers. I spend some day every few months on that with troubles. |
| 21:24.04 | daveee123 | CuteAlien: how is that? |
| 21:24.24 | CuteAlien | Don't know - always something new. |
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| 21:24.53 | CuteAlien | There's different ways to install it. Savest way is using the debian packages - but you get slightly outdated versions then. But least trouble. |
| 21:24.59 | Vsim | One thing with proprietary drivers, I use ATI, is some upgrades will blow out your X configs until you reinstall/reconfigure |
| 21:25.15 | Vsim | err. .. reinstall/reconfigure the drivers |
| 21:25.17 | CuteAlien | Then there are debian packages from backports I think which are often newer - still fine to use those. |
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| 21:26.02 | CuteAlien | And then if you need cutting edge versions there is nvidia driver from nvidia homepage which doesn't fit debian at all but still works - but that one will cause trouble regularly (especially on kernel updates) and you won't get help for it in here. |
| 21:26.23 | daveee123 | CuteAlien: Vsim: Aramur: if i use nouveau, will 3d rendering work? |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | depends |
| 21:26.37 | daveee123 | everything is working well now. so no issues |
| 21:26.51 | CuteAlien | Hm, to my knowledge you don't get much hardware acceleration yet for nvidea there. |
| 21:26.58 | daveee123 | also, where do i find logs from last session? if it froze. and how long do i have before they disaapear? |
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| 21:27.14 | Aramur | daveee123: if you are not gaming, the open source driver may be fine. If you decide to play games, some might work (descent, quake, etc) others will not or will be a lot slower. |
| 21:28.00 | Aramur | daveee123: note that nouveau lacks some features, such as power management and a (decent) vsync. YMMV. |
| 21:28.09 | daveee123 | Aramur: not concerned about gaming at all. just 3d rendering in cad programs, mostly opensource ones though |
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| 21:28.29 | Aramur | Giving it a shot won't hurt then. |
| 21:28.36 | CuteAlien | I'd say try it - if it doesn't cause trouble then do not switch. |
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| 21:29.05 | CuteAlien | If rendering is very slow and has clipping errors etc - then give the nvida package a chance. |
| 21:29.22 | daveee123 | CuteAlien: will do |
| 21:29.34 | daveee123 | Aramur: what is vsync? just version managment? |
| 21:30.07 | daveee123 | Aramur: nvm. misread |
| 21:30.09 | daveee123 | brb |
| 21:30.11 | Aramur | daveee123: vertical synchronization. Is important in some games, otherwise the card will render as much frames as possible (and may overheat). |
| 21:30.24 | daveee123 | Aramur: ah. got it |
| 21:31.18 | CuteAlien | And you will get tearing without vsync - like the upper half of the screen will already show the next frame of an animation while the lower half still has the old picture. |
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| 21:31.50 | daveee123 | back |
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| 21:32.06 | daveee123 | ok, so how to i check logs from last session to see why the dm froze? |
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| 21:33.41 | marcusk | daveee123: You could check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.log |
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| 21:34.19 | daveee123 | marcusk, how does the logging work there? how will i know when the errors are from? |
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| 21:36.59 | marcusk | daveee123: Good question |
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| 21:39.27 | daveee123 | marcusk, thanks. i guess i'll find out |
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| 21:39.41 | tremon | .xsession is normally the stderr of your session manager. It depends on your session manager what actually gets logged, e17 e.g. also logs console messages from applications |
| 21:39.49 | tremon | err, .xsession-errors that is |
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| 21:45.04 | zykotick9 | galant: honestly, i'd suggest installing vim (you probably have vim-tiny right now, which is more like vi) |
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| 21:46.03 | galant | I am using vi |
| 21:46.23 | galant | and hate to do :set nocompatible always so Iwill do as tremon suggested |
| 21:46.30 | zykotick9 | galant: ya, that vi is vim-tiny really |
| 21:46.42 | galant | what is vimrc |
| 21:47.09 | zykotick9 | galant: ~/.vimrc is the vim config file for users |
| 21:47.27 | galant | should I reboot my web server from time to time? |
| 21:48.57 | Vsim | galant I rarely reboot any of my debian servers. |
| 21:49.19 | Vsim | always good to do it after you get everything configured to make sure everything comes back up! |
| 21:50.31 | daveee123 | can someone help me with these errors from .xsession-errors? http://pastebin.com/5HTrSaFq |
| 21:51.04 | bezaban | people setting up services on servers and not making sure they come up after a reboot annoys me severly |
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| 21:52.24 | tremon | gah. per-user apache2 server? |
| 21:54.16 | tremon | daveee123: I don't use gnome, I'm afraid I can't tell you which of those errors are critical. None of them seem particularly worrying to me (well, they are troubling which is why I tend to avoid gnome -- but nothing to suggest something critical not functioning) |
| 21:54.34 | tremon | daveee123: what are the symptoms you're trying to solve? |
| 21:55.49 | daveee123 | tremon: occasionally the dm will freeze |
| 21:55.58 | daveee123 | tremon: can't figure out why |
| 21:56.26 | tremon | only the dm (X), or the entire machine? Can you still switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1), or is the machine frozen? |
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| 21:57.40 | daveee123 | tremon: only the dm. i can ctrl alt f1 and stop it and start it |
| 21:58.24 | galant | Vsim, thanks |
| 21:58.40 | galant | I mean if I reboot my webserver will that gain him some speed? |
| 21:58.40 | galant | :D |
| 21:58.58 | tremon | galant: no. apache and nginx are not windows ;) |
| 21:59.12 | Vsim | tremon LOL, I didn't want to say that. |
| 21:59.18 | daveee123 | tremon: also, for sound. i can get sound through the hdmi, but only when "testing" in system settings. it can say "front left" and "front right" over the speakers, but otherwise the sound does not work |
| 21:59.36 | tremon | Vsim: it's the implied question, isn't it? |
| 21:59.43 | galant | LD thanks all |
| 21:59.45 | Vsim | :) |
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| 22:00.08 | galant | I really think Debian is one of best linux distros at least from what I have tried , ubuntu and centos 6.4 |
| 22:00.14 | galant | for beginner like me |
| 22:00.22 | tremon | daveee123: does not work, as in, you can select that output but you hear nothing, or you can't select that output |
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| 22:00.23 | tremon | ? |
| 22:01.32 | daveee123 | tremon: i can select the correct output and it plays the test sounds, but nothing else will play. |
| 22:01.43 | daveee123 | tremon: the gui has two buttons for testing each speaker |
| 22:01.48 | Aramur | daveee123: have you checked in your dm that the volume is up? |
| 22:02.25 | tremon | daveee123: the last few lines in .xsession-errors appear to be from fontconfig. They are not the cause of your dm hang. If you're comfortable with debugging, you may want to try attaching gdb to your session manager, see if you can see anything there |
| 22:02.53 | daveee123 | Aramur: lemme check that. how do i start that in terminal? pulse audio or something? |
| 22:02.55 | tremon | I'm assuming your dm is gnome3, I have no experience with that however |
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| 22:03.09 | tremon | pavucontrol probably |
| 22:03.13 | tremon | unless they changed it |
| 22:03.21 | daveee123 | tremon: is that gnome debugger? how do i do that? |
| 22:03.49 | Aramur | I also have no idea about Gnome 3. |
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| 22:06.29 | tremon | gdb is the gnu debugger. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace, section "already runnig programs". However, if you're not a programmer, the output won't be of any use to you. So i suggest skipping that unless a developer asks for it :) |
| 22:06.41 | Fivuk | abrotman, Help! - What's the command for echoing something over and over with an increasing number like test1 test2 test3 in a terminal is it echo test{1..100} or whats the command? |
| 22:06.49 | daveee123 | tremon: k. thanks |
| 22:06.52 | tremon | seq |
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| 22:07.57 | abrotman | Fivuk: for i in $(seq -w 1 100); do echo "foo$i" ; done |
| 22:08.08 | Fivuk | thanks dude. |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | Fivuk: there's a #bash for that too |
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| 22:08.39 | tremon | np |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | he was thanking me .. jeez! |
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| 22:09.53 | Fivuk | Appreciation costs nothing and is well deserved, pleasure and thanks once again abrotman :) |
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| 22:14.03 | daveee123 | tremon: Aramur: alsamixer as a command brings up an interface. i can find the card, but all four channels are muted. and i cannot raise the volume on them. could this be because the driver is bad? also, not sure how to select the channel on the card as the correct audio input to use |
| 22:14.38 | Fivuk | daveee123, space bar on the box under the volume unmutes them |
| 22:14.50 | Fivuk | then adjust the approiate levels to the right level using the up or down arrow |
| 22:15.28 | daveee123 | Fivuk: not working. they are staying at zero. could be the driver |
| 22:15.48 | Fivuk | Quite possibly daveee123 |
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| 22:16.36 | cleef | Is it possible to change the BASH error sound? |
| 22:16.44 | jmcnaught | in alsamixer the key to mute for me is "m" not space |
| 22:16.49 | tremon | could be. I'm also not sure how the hdmi output is supposed to work, possibly it's either 2-channel pcm or dolby-encoded 5.1. I'm not sure all cards support 6-channel pcm |
| 22:16.59 | Fivuk | jmcnaught, they've updated it because spacebar used to be that on arch linux :) ALSAMIXer. |
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| 22:18.30 | jmcnaught | according to the man page for alsamixer on wheezy, M is for mute, spacebar is for selecting the input channel to record from |
| 22:18.45 | Fivuk | The alsaconf script is a very simple configurator that is part of the ALSA system (alsa-utils package) and will probably be able to recognize the card you have installed and write a matching configuration file. |
| 22:18.53 | Fivuk | alsaconf might help did you do that daveee123 ? |
| 22:19.05 | Fivuk | should come up with "Loading driver..." |
| 22:19.06 | Fivuk | "Setting default volumes..." |
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| 22:22.39 | daveee123 | Fivuk: lemme try that |
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| 22:22.48 | jhutchins | !alsaconf |
| 22:22.50 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. It was last available in Debian 5.0 "Lenny" and removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 22:23.12 | tremon | aww. isa? |
| 22:23.23 | daveee123 | damn |
| 22:23.29 | jhutchins | Fivuk: ^^ authoratative source. |
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| 22:23.45 | daveee123 | ok, gonna install the nvidia driver. if i normally use apt-get is this a safe command? (aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms) |
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| 22:24.27 | Fivuk | jhutchins, I don't care; it's about simplicity saves me writing it out and if it helps the end user thats all that matters not trying to humiliate people and their egos jhutchins... |
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| 22:26.33 | daveee123 | tremon: ok, gonna install the nvidia driver. if i normally use apt-get is this a safe command? (aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms) |
| 22:26.48 | Fivuk | abrotman, I have a questiono your command makes it test001 test002 test003 I just want test1 test2 test3 - any ideas? |
| 22:27.02 | c0ded | hey i got an issue on my vps, running deb 7.1, for w/e reason the time is fucked, like ive tried installing ntp and then removed that and tried openntp, even setting it by hand |
| 22:27.28 | daveee123 | c0ded: is it not running even when you set it by hand? |
| 22:27.29 | Fivuk | update the time zone check that your provider hasn't got some weird settings c0ded |
| 22:27.36 | c0ded | with ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 22:27.52 | abrotman | don't use ntpdate |
| 22:27.56 | c0ded | yea it runs |
| 22:27.57 | tremon | daveee123: it's safe, and it's just as safe if you s/aptitude/apt-get/ |
| 22:27.59 | c0ded | its just weird as fuck |
| 22:28.07 | c0ded | the seconds take like 10 secs to move 1 sec |
| 22:28.23 | c0ded | so it will fix it, and then go off over the next hr or 2 |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | c0ded: /var/run/ntp/drift ? |
| 22:28.30 | c0ded | then everything ofc doesnt work |
| 22:28.35 | abrotman | c0ded: you need to use ntp |
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| 22:28.49 | daveee123 | tremon: what is "s"? or are you suggesting typing all of that together? |
| 22:28.49 | c0ded | ive tried ntp and openntp |
| 22:28.58 | abrotman | use ntp |
| 22:29.01 | abrotman | i'll keep saying it |
| 22:29.08 | tremon | c0ded: sounds like a timesync issue between host and vm. contact your provided, ntp can't correct for such a lag |
| 22:29.11 | Fivuk | abrotman, for i in $(seq -w 1 100); do echo "foo$i" ; done |
| 22:29.12 | Fivuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.15 | c0ded | k, but it still did the same thing with ntp on and running |
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| 22:29.22 | abrotman | Fivuk: man seq |
| 22:29.30 | c0ded | it still go outta sync in about 2hrs time |
| 22:29.32 | abrotman | c0ded: is it a VM or VPS ? |
| 22:29.41 | tremon | daveee123: no, it's a substitution, meaning: change aptitude into apt-get |
| 22:29.46 | c0ded | vps |
| 22:29.51 | Fivuk | Be the last time ask would be awesome if you could save me the leg work and okay I'll read the man page abrotman but wasn't there another one for bash that was like echo something{1.55} do or something? |
| 22:29.58 | daveee123 | tremon: ah. thank you |
| 22:30.09 | c0ded | and yea i was thinking its gotta be something on the host server too, but wondering if there's anything i can try on the vps |
| 22:30.15 | abrotman | c0ded: what does hwclock return ? |
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| 22:31.34 | tremon | c0ded: not with that much , I think. ntp can correct time drift of a few percent, but I don't think it likes a 1000% time drift |
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| 22:31.48 | abrotman | yes, it can |
| 22:32.54 | Fivuk | "We know that the body is unable to rid itself of toxins when we eat a diet low in nutrients," and that applies to most Americans, even those who think they are healthy, he says. |
| 22:32.57 | Fivuk | "Americans eat 51% of their diet from processed foods and foods low in phytochemicals and antioxidants," he says. "So you see a buildup of waste products in the cells -- AGE, advanced glycation end products -- that build up in cellular tissues and lead to atherosclerosis, aging, diabetes, nerve damage, and the deterioration of organs. This is basic science and physiology every doctor learns in medical scho |
| 22:32.58 | Fivuk | ol." |
| 22:33.05 | abrotman | Fivuk: wrong channel |
| 22:33.07 | Fivuk | Sorry |
| 22:33.10 | Fivuk | I know wrong channel lol |
| 22:33.18 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 22:33.31 | Fivuk | Dude it was an accident lighten up I thought this tab was something else |
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| 22:33.41 | Fivuk | Sheesh, not very forgiving, just straight to the cut throat, :S |
| 22:33.43 | c0ded | hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 22:33.44 | c0ded | hwclock: Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method. |
| 22:33.48 | c0ded | thats what that returned |
| 22:33.56 | Fivuk | Attitudes like that indicate high stress levels and believe it or not abrotman living like that will drastically shorten your lifespan. |
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| 22:34.01 | Fivuk | Need to laugh a lil abrotman |
| 22:34.13 | abrotman | Fivuk: i'm perfectly fine .. please don't pretend you know anything about me |
| 22:34.20 | Fivuk | Right, convo over. |
| 22:34.24 | abrotman | if you think I'm stressed, you haven't a clue |
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| 22:35.16 | Fivuk | Seems that way from your automatic fire at anyone that remotely suggests laughing and now are on the defensive yet again seems pretty clear indicater that you're either streesed or just to aggressive for your own good but what would I know huh? |
| 22:35.18 | abrotman | c0ded: if you run ntpdate to correct the time, then start the ntpd, does it stay in sync? |
| 22:35.23 | abrotman | Fivuk: done yet? |
| 22:35.26 | Fivuk | sure am |
| 22:35.30 | abrotman | you wouldn't know .. that's hte point |
| 22:35.48 | c0ded | no it doesnt |
| 22:35.49 | Fivuk | 2things 1. it's the not hte, 2. Goodbye. |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | bye |
| 22:35.59 | c0ded | and if u do like "date" a few times in a row |
| 22:36.05 | c0ded | u see the secs arent moving |
| 22:36.10 | abrotman | c0ded: what's in /var/run/ntp/drift ? |
| 22:36.12 | Fivuk | c0ded, when you have a second please tell me what ddate says in your terminal. |
| 22:36.14 | c0ded | well they do, but like takes 10secs for it to move 1 sec |
| 22:36.23 | c0ded | so it goes outta sync in like hr or 2 |
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| 22:37.02 | abrotman | ugh, wrong file .. /me finds it |
| 22:37.17 | abrotman | cat /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
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| 22:37.29 | c0ded | [-(~)-]:cd /var/run/ntp |
| 22:37.30 | c0ded | -su: cd: /var/run/ntp: No such file or directory |
| 22:37.34 | abrotman | see above |
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| 22:38.33 | c0ded | [-(/var/lib/ntp)-]:l |
| 22:38.34 | c0ded | total 8 |
| 22:38.34 | c0ded | drwxr-xr-x 2 ntp ntp 4096 May 12 2012 . |
| 22:38.34 | c0ded | drwxr-xr-x 38 root root 4096 Jul 25 00:57 .. |
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| 22:38.37 | c0ded | err |
| 22:38.44 | c0ded | empty |
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| 22:38.49 | c0ded | that file isnt there |
| 22:39.18 | abrotman | so the clock is too far out to sync to create tha tfile ? |
| 22:40.08 | c0ded | [-(/var/lib/ntp)-]:ddate |
| 22:40.08 | c0ded | Today is Sweetmorn, the 60th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3179 |
| 22:40.49 | c0ded | well i guess, i mean i can sync it by hand obv, but then it just goes back outta sync and shit like the irc links and shit ofc delink |
| 22:40.59 | c0ded | and zncs and shit once it gets too far outta sync |
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| 22:41.08 | abrotman | did oyu look in /var/log/messages why ntp isn't running ? |
| 22:41.33 | jmcnaught | c0ded: you might also consider opening a trouble ticket with your VPS provider |
| 22:41.58 | Christoff522 | apt |
| 22:42.04 | c0ded | yea well trying, its a free vps my bro gave me on his account so waiting to hear from him |
| 22:42.09 | Christoff522 | ignore me |
| 22:42.10 | c0ded | he'll need to send teh ticket |
| 22:42.11 | Christoff522 | wrong window |
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| 22:42.35 | abrotman | did oyu look in /var/log/messages why ntp isn't running ? |
| 22:42.49 | c0ded | [-(/var/lib/ntp)-]:ntpdate |
| 22:42.49 | c0ded | 25 Jul 00:59:20 ntpdate[5471]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 22:43.06 | abrotman | not ntpdate .. ntp |
| 22:43.15 | c0ded | i was running ntpdate pool.ntp.org to sync it |
| 22:43.41 | abrotman | if it's too far out, you'll have to force it to slew the clock |
| 22:43.46 | c0ded | well ntp is running, i restarted the service to make sure |
| 22:44.01 | c0ded | was just seeign if that would sync it without giving it an host |
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| 22:53.32 | mekeor | i did "sudo apt-get install wine" but there's no executable called "wine". what am i doing wrong? |
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| 22:54.51 | mirak | hi |
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| 22:55.05 | mirak | is there a way to mount core.img the grub file ? |
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| 23:00.00 | tremon | mirak: "mount"? No, it's not a filesystem or archive, it's executable code |
| 23:00.39 | tremon | mekeor: at a guess, you failed to read the output of apt-get? |
| 23:01.11 | mirak | tremon, like a kernel ? |
| 23:01.22 | tremon | yes, more or less |
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| 23:01.37 | mirak | tremon, you have an idea how it works ? |
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| 23:02.18 | mirak | tremon, does it receive parameters by the caller, or the parameters are hardcoded inside it ? |
| 23:02.36 | mekeor | tremon: uhm, might be. but if i do "apt-get install wine" again, it states it's already installed... |
| 23:02.37 | mirak | like where to find the other stage |
| 23:02.48 | mirak | where to find grub.cfg etcetera |
| 23:03.56 | tremon | ah, not sure. iirc the core.img is already stage 2, so both the config and core.img itself could already have been loaded by stage1 |
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| 23:05.02 | mirak | tremon, what do you mean ? I use multiboot (hcpc-linux2)/boot/grub/core.img |
| 23:05.09 | mirak | in grub2 |
| 23:05.13 | mirak | to chainload from lvm |
| 23:05.22 | mirak | so yes there is already a full grub loaded |
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| 23:06.52 | tremon | mekeor: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 23:07.43 | Noskcaj | What is required to get a @debian.org email address? |
| 23:08.16 | tremon | mirak: what are you trying to achieve? is the multiboot failing? |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | Noskcaj: you need to be a DD (maybe a DM) |
| 23:08.22 | Noskcaj | ok |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | Noskcaj: why? |
| 23:08.29 | mirak | tremon, not yet. |
| 23:08.38 | Noskcaj | abrotman, just curious |
| 23:08.46 | mirak | tremon, I duplicated my current install on another lvm volume |
| 23:09.28 | mirak | tremon, logical volume. I want to boot from it later. So i upgraded grub.cfg . Now I don't remember if I need to regenerate core.img as well |
| 23:10.10 | tremon | mirak: probably not, but I can think of a way to find out |
| 23:10.11 | mirak | tremon, what I was scared about is if it loads the current system. Because I don't really now what core.img is really doing. |
| 23:10.23 | mirak | tremon, ? like reboot ? ^^ |
| 23:10.28 | tremon | yes :) |
| 23:11.27 | phix | What is a DD or DM? |
| 23:11.54 | tremon | mirak: if you didn't change your filesystem or partition layout, I don't think you need to regenerate core.img |
| 23:12.09 | abrotman | phix: Debian Developer or Debian Maintainer |
| 23:12.24 | phix | abrotman: ah ok, thnx |
| 23:12.27 | tremon | but I can't tell you which part of the grub boot sequence is executed where, or how grub bootstraps itself |
| 23:12.32 | phix | and hai abrotman! How's it all going? |
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| 23:12.55 | mirak | tremon, because you think core.img will have a block acces on the file system ? |
| 23:13.05 | abrotman | phix: lovely |
| 23:13.23 | phix | tremon: I think some sort of voodoo magic is involved, perhaps a goat is sacrificed each time someone boots up their computer, not too sure. |
| 23:13.31 | phix | abrotman: Good to hear |
| 23:14.15 | tremon | mirak: core.img contains both the partition parser (mbr or gpt), and the filesystem driver for the /boot partition. All other drivers can be loaded from disk |
| 23:14.26 | mirak | tremon, about that I am less sure, because core.img is supposed to be able to embarq advanced drivers, like raid, lvm, ext4, so if it can do that, i don't believe a partition layout change would matter, unless you use another file system where the driver is not inside core.img. But that's probably what you mean |
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| 23:15.41 | mirak | tremon, ok, so core.img will somewhat try to find the grub.cfg file that is located on the same file system as he is |
| 23:16.04 | tremon | mirak: I didn't mean the exact size and position of your partitions, I meant partioning type (like moving from mbr to gpt). sry about that |
| 23:16.19 | mirak | i was just afraid it would to find grub.cfg from the 'old' linux install |
| 23:16.35 | mirak | tremon, yes i understood you might have said that |
| 23:16.40 | mirak | tremon, and you did |
| 23:16.46 | mirak | ok |
| 23:17.00 | mirak | i will try what you suggested |
| 23:17.02 | mirak | reboot |
| 23:17.23 | tremon | it the old grub.cfg is still in the system, I'm not sure what will happen. However, you can always chainboot into another grub :) |
| 23:17.51 | phix | I like the old grub, the configuration was much more simplified |
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| 23:18.48 | mirak | tremon, "core.img: GRUB's core image, built dynamically by the grub-mkimage program using the kernel image and a list of modules. It typically has sufficent modules to access /boot/grub2, and loads the rest from the file system at run-time. " |
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| 23:19.26 | mirak | tremon, yes i could still enter manually the right kernel and root system to load |
| 23:19.35 | tremon | note that "kernel image" refers to the grub core, not the linux kernel :) |
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| 23:19.51 | tremon | (hopefully, not much of a lean bootloader otherwise) |
| 23:20.05 | xemdetia | My console has a weird modeline or something set because there is some weird lines going through my screen at tty so does anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:20.07 | mirak | tremon, yes |
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| 23:24.00 | RustyShackleford | I need to install oracle java. Whats the preferred way to do this? |
| 23:24.18 | RustyShackleford | there is a ppa for ubuntu. I like that apt-get will keep java up to date for you |
| 23:25.00 | LeLutin | hello, I just saw the weirdest thing today with my weezy-based laptop. I've installed an amd64 kernel, but dpkg-architecture shows i386.. how can I change that to amd64? |
| 23:25.36 | LeLutin | (it's causing me trouble today because of kernel modules that come with virtualbox that don't function as expected) |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | RustyShackleford: what's wrong with the five other javas in Debian? |
| 23:25.53 | tremon | LeLutin: there is a difference between the kernel and user-space. If you just installed today, I would recommend you reinstall and choose amd64 as your installation architecture |
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| 23:26.44 | LeLutin | tremon: the laptop's been installed some time ago already. I used an amd64 netinst cd |
| 23:27.18 | LeLutin | (well, iso dd'ed on a usb key..) |
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| 23:27.43 | tremon | hmm, the only way that can happen is if you used the multi-arch install disc, otherwise you can't end up with a 32-bit userland |
| 23:27.49 | tremon | at least, afaik |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | RustyShackleford: the openjdk is meant to be the reference implementation, if that doesn't work, it's a bug |
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| 23:28.18 | tremon | are you running stable or testing? |
| 23:28.24 | mekeor | tremon: 64-bit |
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| 23:28.39 | abrotman | that didn't answer the question |
| 23:28.45 | LeLutin | tremon: a mix of wheezy + testing + some packages from experimental |
| 23:28.49 | RustyShackleford | I thought openjdk was not quite as good as oracle's |
| 23:28.54 | mekeor | tremon: that is amd64 |
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| 23:29.25 | RustyShackleford | i had problems with openjdk while working on a trivial program for school |
| 23:29.52 | tremon | LeLutin: tsk tsk ;) |
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| 23:30.20 | LeLutin | tremon: heh yeah.. stable gets old pretty fast :\ |
| 23:30.21 | tremon | mekeor: I had expected that. Wine is only available as 32-bit executable, so you will need to enable multi-arch |
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| 23:31.37 | LeLutin | tremon: how does dpkg determine the arch? does it have to do with the installed version of libc6 ? |
| 23:31.48 | tremon | mekeor: for background, read http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch. To install wine properly, run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update, then apt-get install wine:i386 |
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| 23:32.41 | tremon | that should pull in a lot of required 32-bit libs as well. You need to be fully up-to-date, so maybe run an apt-get upgrade too |
| 23:32.59 | xemdetia | Is there any way to get a log of recent changes via dpkg or apt? I've done something that has made my nvidia driver unhappy and I can't get X up anymore after an apt-get upgrade |
| 23:33.22 | tremon | LeLutin: dpkg has the package architecture stored somewhere in its config, not sure where |
| 23:33.32 | abrotman | xemdetia: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | xemdetia: how did you install your nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:33.54 | themill | LeLutin, tremon: dpkg knows what architecture it was compiled on |
| 23:34.11 | LeLutin | tremon: oh .. weird actually dpkg itself comes from the arch i386 (according to dpkg -l). I really don't know how that happened :\ |
| 23:34.20 | tremon | themill: that makes sense :) |
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| 23:34.51 | tremon | LeLutin: if you're feeling adventurous (and your package mix seems to suggest so ;), you can try a cross-grade. Start by adding amd64 as foreign architecture like I just told mekeor |
| 23:35.01 | xemdetia | abrotman: I installed using the nvidia prop. script off nvidia, and I ran it again just now to install like normal but now my console has some weird graphical glitches |
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| 23:35.08 | ltuna | Hey, has anyone here used ecryptfs-migrate-home? |
| 23:35.13 | LeLutin | tremon: hmm... now that sounds wierd : ii linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.46-1 i386 Header files for Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 23:35.33 | tremon | LeLutin: no, it's perfectly possible to install a 64-bit kernel on i386 |
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| 23:35.57 | tremon | and since wheezy, it's also possible to fully mix 32-bit and 64-bit apps |
| 23:36.11 | LeLutin | hmm ok |
| 23:36.32 | tremon | however that usually doesn't happen unless you ask for it, so I'm now sure how you got where you are now |
| 23:37.08 | tremon | Only thing I can think of is that you did use the i386 install disc, and chose to install the amd64 kernel in the installer |
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| 23:37.16 | tremon | s/now/not/ |
| 23:37.19 | LeLutin | tremon: the time I installed the machine is kinda far away in my memory.. but it's possible that I mixed things up and started with the i386 installer :( |
| 23:37.45 | tremon | luckily, it doesn't really matter that much for most packages |
| 23:38.10 | LeLutin | tremon: hmpf... well thanks for your insights. I guess I'll start preparing mentally for a reinstall |
| 23:38.32 | tremon | but theoretically, you should be able to dpkg --add-architecture amd64 and then install virtualbox:amd64 |
| 23:38.46 | LeLutin | let me try that |
| 23:39.00 | tremon | don't forget to apt-get update between those two |
| 23:39.01 | theslow1 | in my /etc/apt/sources.list I had a both wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates |
| 23:39.11 | theslow1 | what if any is the difference between the two |
| 23:39.14 | tremon | theslow1: nice, isn't it? |
| 23:39.42 | tremon | debian/updates is from security.debian.org and are security updates |
| 23:40.15 | theslow1 | tremon, alright, i see it, thanks |
| 23:40.25 | tremon | debian-updates is from www.debian.org and are non-critical updates (the former debian-volatile). This is normally used for virusscanner/anti-spam updates |
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| 23:40.57 | mekeor | tremon: thank you :) |
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| 23:41.50 | LeLutin | tremon: a bunch of packages like libc, python2.6 and other libs say they should be installed from arch amd64 but that they won't so the installation of virtualbox doesn't go through |
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| 23:42.49 | tremon | LeLutin: yes, I kind of expected that. Not all packages have been properly set up for multi-arch yet (python being one of them). So that's not yet possible, I guess |
| 23:43.00 | mirak | tremon, it booted on the old system :-\ |
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| 23:43.06 | mirak | ^^ |
| 23:43.12 | tremon | ah well, it was worth a try ;) |
| 23:43.27 | LeLutin | tremon: ok. well thanks for the info. |
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| 23:46.06 | tremon | mirak: hmm. I would suggest re-generating core.img, but maybe there is a #grub channel somewhere |
| 23:46.35 | tremon | better to ask the source than to try ten different solutions :) |
| 23:46.59 | xemdetia | when you dd an install image over a usb stick do you do /dev/sdb or onto a partition like /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:47.08 | ltuna | does anyone know why ecryptfs-migrate-home creats a .Private directory and Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop script? I just want my home encrypted...i dont want an enrypted directory within my home. |
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| 23:49.08 | ltuna | anyone at all? |
| 23:49.20 | tremon | ltuna: that's not possible with user-level encryption. Since ecryptfs is per-user, it needs to have a way to bootstrap itself |
| 23:49.45 | tremon | and ~ is the only persistent user storage |
| 23:50.15 | tremon | if you own the machine, the other option is to encrypt the entire /home partition |
| 23:50.32 | tremon | xemdetia: the full disk |
| 23:50.44 | ltuna | i would rather not encrypt the partition |
| 23:51.02 | ltuna | is there anyway to sign in to the account and have ~ decrypt at the same time |
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| 23:54.27 | tremon | there is pam_ecryptfs but it's not in debian fafaik |
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| 23:55.44 | tremon | oh wait, the module is in ecryptfs-utils |
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| 23:56.03 | tremon | so yes, there is a way: you need to configure the pam_ecryptfs module |
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