| 00:00.53 | *** join/#debian msx_ (~quassel@181.167.239.149) |
| 00:02.33 | *** join/#debian funyun (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 00:06.27 | *** join/#debian atyoung (~atyoung@gateway/tor-sasl/darkwurm) |
| 00:07.49 | *** join/#debian eth0ghost (~eth0ghost@unaffiliated/eth0ghost) |
| 00:09.09 | *** join/#debian msx (~quassel@unaffiliated/msx) |
| 00:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1197] by debhelper |
| 00:10.11 | *** join/#debian jalalsfs (~jalal@unaffiliated/jalalsfs) |
| 00:11.29 | *** join/#debian f4cl3y (~f4cl3y@unaffiliated/f4cl3y) |
| 00:12.08 | *** join/#debian hellspy (~chatzilla@187.120.39.31) |
| 00:13.08 | Noskcaj | I just uploaded a "bad" package to the ftp. How can i have it taken down? |
| 00:13.43 | *** join/#debian PalSal (~uytgyuy@110.100.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 00:13.44 | PalSal | anybody here have blogs and want quality backlinks for free msg me ! |
| 00:13.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 00:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@95.17.100.110] by themill |
| 00:14.02 | *** kick/#debian [PalSal!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better) |
| 00:14.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill |
| 00:15.44 | themill | Noskcaj: what do you mean? |
| 00:16.31 | *** join/#debian fronco (~fronco@mion.elka.pw.edu.pl) |
| 00:16.32 | Noskcaj | themill, I forgot to add the "closes" part of the changelog. everything else is fine. I'm uploading the fixed version now |
| 00:17.17 | themill | Noskcaj: with a higher version number or the same? You'd need to dcut the file away if it's the same. |
| 00:17.33 | Noskcaj | themill, the same |
| 00:17.40 | Noskcaj | dcut? |
| 00:17.53 | Noskcaj | (this is my first package going into debian) |
| 00:17.54 | themill | where are you uploading to? |
| 00:18.35 | Noskcaj | anonymous-ftp-master |
| 00:20.16 | Noskcaj | the files are at the bottom of ftp://ftp.upload.debian.org/pub/UploadQueue/ |
| 00:20.30 | *** join/#debian elvora (~elvora@c-24-8-156-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 00:20.42 | *** join/#debian roboman2444 (~roboman24@unaffiliated/roboman2444) |
| 00:22.10 | *** join/#debian chatsiri_ (~chatsiri_@14.207.185.12) |
| 00:22.56 | hile_ | Is there a preferred tftp server among debian folks? I see no fewer than three listed when I search my apt cache. |
| 00:23.55 | deed02392 | when using `su user` where user is a system user, it does not actually seem to change me to that user |
| 00:24.12 | deed02392 | i just get no output and returned to the command line |
| 00:24.30 | hile_ | try id -a |
| 00:24.33 | hile_ | are you still yourself? |
| 00:24.48 | hile_ | su - <user> will source that user's environment; without the -, it will not. |
| 00:24.51 | deed02392 | yes hile_ |
| 00:25.03 | deed02392 | even su - user |
| 00:25.07 | deed02392 | i still get the same id |
| 00:25.21 | themill | deed02392: which user? |
| 00:25.32 | deed02392 | it's a system user i just created for a daemon |
| 00:25.51 | deed02392 | using the commands from 9.2 here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch9.en.html |
| 00:25.58 | themill | deed02392: what shell does it have? |
| 00:26.30 | deed02392 | bin/false |
| 00:27.25 | themill | that'll do it |
| 00:27.59 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 00:28.11 | *** join/#debian ctmjr (~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) |
| 00:28.30 | deed02392 | lol |
| 00:28.45 | deed02392 | ah so i can use the -s switch |
| 00:28.57 | *** join/#debian lapache (~jon@unaffiliated/lapache) |
| 00:28.59 | *** join/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:29.07 | deed02392 | how else could i get a process to run as thatk ind of user? |
| 00:29.10 | *** part/#debian fronco (~fronco@mion.elka.pw.edu.pl) |
| 00:29.16 | deed02392 | in the su usage info it says it will pass a command to the invoked shell |
| 00:29.21 | *** part/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:29.25 | deed02392 | but of course that'll be nothing for a user with bin/false as their shell? |
| 00:29.33 | *** join/#debian stree (~stree@fisicas.uileon.edu.mx) |
| 00:29.50 | *** join/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:30.19 | *** part/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:31.11 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~BW~Merlin@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 00:32.11 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@233.58.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 00:32.32 | *** join/#debian Noskcaj (~Noskcaj@ubuntu/member/noskcaj) |
| 00:32.49 | *** join/#debian roboman2444 (~roboman24@unaffiliated/roboman2444) |
| 00:34.18 | *** join/#debian marcrs_nb (~marc@port-92-196-120-74.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 00:36.18 | *** join/#debian LeLutin (~lelutin@vps-1036922-2706.manage.myhosting.com) |
| 00:36.50 | *** join/#debian theslow1 (~theslow1@wireless-gw-1.tcc.on.ca) |
| 00:37.13 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 00:37.25 | *** part/#debian bollullera (~anuxi@89.7.24.109) |
| 00:39.27 | *** join/#debian Walzmyn (~quassel@h101.36.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 00:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1189] by debhelper |
| 00:43.19 | *** join/#debian theslow1 (~theslow1@wireless-gw-1.tcc.on.ca) |
| 00:44.38 | *** join/#debian boldfilter (~dg@99-120-141-251.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:44.45 | *** join/#debian elvora (~elvora@c-24-8-156-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.48 | *** join/#debian NealJ (~Neal@82-170-253-169.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 00:45.06 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 00:46.23 | *** join/#debian funyun_ (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 00:47.25 | *** join/#debian kplong (~kplong@c-24-18-254-15.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:47.38 | *** join/#debian dep_ (~marcus@c253-148-70-80.bjare.net) |
| 00:47.53 | *** join/#debian jkamp (~josh@unixcorps/staff/quiet) |
| 00:48.16 | kplong | hello. I have a number of services (ftp, roundcube webmail etc) set up for users which do not have ssh access. Not using LDAP. Looking for a solution so that they can reset their own password, through a webUI for example. Any suggestions? Thank you. |
| 00:48.35 | *** join/#debian jerng_ (~jerng@dslb-178-010-208-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:49.40 | *** join/#debian chatsiri_ (~chatsiri_@171.6.143.86) |
| 00:50.09 | *** join/#debian elvora (~elvora@c-24-8-156-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 00:50.34 | *** join/#debian bfortified (~bfortifie@unaffiliated/bfortified) |
| 00:51.02 | *** join/#debian zporaph (~jin@110.208.156.164) |
| 00:51.02 | *** join/#debian Krabbe (~Krabbe2@77.37.11.207) |
| 00:51.17 | *** join/#debian ZitZ (~paulson@h233.163.101.208.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 00:52.09 | ZitZ | hi, i formatted a disk with gpt, then i put it into it's hard drive enclosure and plug it into a wheezy machine and it says that it has an unknown partition table |
| 00:56.39 | *** join/#debian lennox (lennox@addaitechnologies.com) |
| 00:59.17 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 01:00.59 | *** join/#debian tekkbuzz (~oijvlj@unaffiliated/tekkbuzz) |
| 01:01.23 | *** join/#debian musca (musca@tyrael.eu) |
| 01:02.06 | *** join/#debian ctmjr (~chuck@c-68-32-113-252.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.06 | *** join/#debian ctmjr (~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) |
| 01:06.00 | *** join/#debian marcrs_nb1 (~marc@77.87.49.50) |
| 01:09.41 | *** join/#debian jiohdi (~jiohdi@pool-173-65-73-184.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:09.45 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 01:10.05 | *** join/#debian Tordek (tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ykkebkvwfytxkegy) |
| 01:10.11 | Tordek | hi, I'm having an odd font rendering issues: Sometimes, text is drawn too thick, but it's fixed whenever I try to select it or screenshot it. anyone seen something similar? |
| 01:10.24 | *** join/#debian ffio (~fire@unaffiliated/security) |
| 01:10.28 | *** join/#debian Blue1 (~nwayno@c-98-225-103-14.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 01:11.38 | jkamp | Tordek: sounds like janky font settings... what font(s)? what de/wm? all apps? specific apps? anti-aliasing enabled? |
| 01:12.18 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 01:22.45 | *** join/#debian xemdetia (~kulakula@pool-100-40-48-4.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:23.25 | xemdetia | What is the command to forget debian aptitude selections |
| 01:24.40 | *** join/#debian codesoup (~codesoup@69-165-156-66.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:24.48 | *** join/#debian kplong (~kplong@c-50-135-252-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:27.49 | Tordek | jkamp: any font (happens both on serifs and sans), kde/xmonad, might be only firefox, anti aliasing, no hinting |
| 01:28.19 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 01:28.28 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 01:30.06 | jkamp | Tordek: have you played with the font settings under the Content tab in firefox? |
| 01:30.38 | Tordek | not that I remember |
| 01:31.27 | Tordek | no, it's all default in ther |
| 01:31.28 | Tordek | e |
| 01:31.40 | *** join/#debian james41382 (~james@c-71-197-239-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:32.42 | jkamp | Maybe try changing some stuff around in there. I haven't seen this particular issue. I assume this is with default iceweasel, right? |
| 01:34.04 | Tordek | yeah |
| 01:35.04 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@unaffiliated/nvz) |
| 01:35.40 | jkamp | Tordek: I assume this is a new install? wheezy? jessie? sid? did you install DE from tasksel or just install stuff after? |
| 01:35.51 | *** join/#debian tiron (~jeuk@cpe-72-129-111-247.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:37.34 | Tordek | no, this is a piled-on-updates, since suqeeze... maybe lenny. jessie/sid. experimental iceweasel |
| 01:37.36 | *** join/#debian prienge (~mandrix@cm186.epsilon130.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 01:38.32 | Tordek | but the issue just showed up since I updated to jessie; never on wheezy, jkamp |
| 01:38.57 | jkamp | Hrm. Not sure if relevant, but maybe this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=696064 |
| 01:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1181] by debhelper |
| 01:41.08 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@unaffiliated/nvz) |
| 01:41.21 | *** join/#debian jmcnaught (~jeremy@76.10.173.134) |
| 01:41.42 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 01:42.14 | Tordek | doesn't seem to be related, unfortunately, jkamp |
| 01:43.27 | *** join/#debian mumpitzel (~mumpitzel@p5B21D780.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:44.07 | jkamp | hrmph. Without actually seeing what the fonts look like it's hard to analyze. Are you stuck on iceweasel? Maybe see how chromium works for you? |
| 01:45.47 | *** join/#debian jaw044 (~jaw044@128.54.199.180) |
| 01:46.05 | *** join/#debian \\Mr_C\\ (mrc@adsl-98-89-9-183.mgm.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:46.12 | *** join/#debian AFlyingMonkey (~chatzilla@CPEbcc810130284-CMbcc810130281.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:46.57 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@unaffiliated/nvz) |
| 01:49.42 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 01:52.07 | *** join/#debian chaz68 (~quassel@wsip-24-234-137-89.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 01:54.38 | *** join/#debian detha (~detha@196.41.3.190) |
| 01:54.50 | Tordek | jkamp: well, it doesn't seem to affect the fonts in chrome; though I'd prefer not to swap browsers just for a font :P |
| 01:55.54 | *** join/#debian atyoung (~atyoung@gateway/tor-sasl/darkwurm) |
| 01:57.57 | Th0masR0ss | huh wat chrome? |
| 01:58.04 | *** join/#debian Malmis_f (~Malmis@c-c68e72d5.014-208-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 01:58.06 | jkamp | Sure, I understand. At least it helps narrow down the issue to iceweasel. Not sure what it could be though |
| 01:58.18 | Th0masR0ss | chrome isn't really supported on debian |
| 01:58.55 | jkamp | He's not having a problem with chrome... just tested to see if fonts were broken like they are in iceweasel.. |
| 01:59.43 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 02:00.40 | *** join/#debian jiohdi (~jiohdi@pool-173-65-73-184.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:02.06 | *** join/#debian ctmjr (~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) |
| 02:02.36 | ctmjr | clear |
| 02:03.33 | *** join/#debian tuv (~tuv@67.55.36.248) |
| 02:03.34 | *** join/#debian tuv (~tuv@unaffiliated/tuv) |
| 02:05.20 | *** join/#debian lduros (~user@fsf/member/lduros) |
| 02:07.13 | ex0a | does $SUDO_USER not evaluate to the user that intitated sudo in debian? |
| 02:09.59 | *** join/#debian violetzj (~violet@111.161.8.15) |
| 02:14.59 | *** join/#debian krzee (~k@openvpn/community/support/krzee) |
| 02:15.18 | *** join/#debian Ozzie (~Ozzie@189.221.244.108.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 02:15.38 | *** join/#debian owen1 (~oren@108-227-80-160.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:15.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 02:15.59 | *** mode/#debian [-bo *!*@95.17.100.110 eir] by eir |
| 02:17.58 | *** join/#debian damentz (~damentz@cpe-66-69-208-122.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 02:19.14 | Ozzie | Hi. |
| 02:19.27 | Ozzie | I'm on Debian 6 with Gnome 2 and after a normal restart does not appear to me the weather or the temperature near the clock that is on the panel. What could have happened and how do I solve it? |
| 02:19.28 | *** part/#debian Siberian_Tiger (~Nicholas@adsl-108-196-229-245.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:19.58 | *** join/#debian guideX (~guide_X@office-mail.ciestudios.com) |
| 02:22.35 | jkamp | Ozzie: add the applets to panel again? |
| 02:24.49 | *** join/#debian grapox (~pc6@175.145.52.234) |
| 02:25.49 | Ozzie | jkamp: still the same. |
| 02:27.34 | jkamp | do you see the applet, it's just not updating the information? or is the applet not there at all? have you tried to restart gnome-panel? |
| 02:29.10 | *** join/#debian tattoli (~wat@pool-173-70-26-142.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:29.24 | *** join/#debian colt (~noreply@96.241.64.28) |
| 02:29.39 | Ozzie | jkamp: I see the applet, but it is not updating the info. |
| 02:30.25 | jkamp | try changing the location and see if it displays for another location? sounds like it's just not getting updates from whatever server it uses for info |
| 02:30.41 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@177.133.118.199) |
| 02:30.54 | *** join/#debian Lubomir (5d81af94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.129.175.148) |
| 02:30.58 | Ozzie | Let me try. |
| 02:31.42 | *** join/#debian slv (~silvermec@209-6-88-237.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:31.55 | Lubomir | hello. I tried an LXDE installation and had to see, that debian installs me tons and tons of software. For example - browser and libreoffice. |
| 02:32.18 | Lubomir | how can i install a minimal LXDE? |
| 02:33.02 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (~peter@S0106000393e2a2bd.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 02:33.21 | jkamp | Lubomir: deselct desktop environment during install... then just install lxde after reboot |
| 02:33.24 | *** join/#debian nickdaly (~yaaic@68-118-159-192.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 02:33.24 | *** join/#debian theslow1 (~theslow1@wireless-gw-1.tcc.on.ca) |
| 02:34.41 | *** join/#debian lduros (~user@fsf/member/lduros) |
| 02:35.01 | Lubomir | jkamp: is this the iso i can use for an install without desktop-environment? (i know i can use recent one - but need a smaller image) http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:35.23 | Lubomir | jkamp: or isnt this the famous "debian minimal"? |
| 02:35.29 | Tordek | jkamp: I managed to screenshot the issue; it wasn't working because my printscreen key made FF lose focus and redraw: http://imgur.com/TQP0c3T,8bCCqgl,iDKWcKi |
| 02:35.35 | *** join/#debian KiSM (~quassel@CPE-120-145-152-246.lnse2.pie.bigpond.net.au) |
| 02:35.56 | Tordek | 3 images in the set: diff, wrong, and right |
| 02:37.33 | jkamp | Lubomir: that looks correct. during install, you get the tasksel meny that asks what kind of system you want to install... desktop environment, web server, ssh server, print server, etc... deselect desktop environment during install to not install any graphical environment. install as normal and boot to a command prompt. install lxde once you log in. |
| 02:38.22 | Lubomir | jkamp: thanks |
| 02:38.43 | Ozzie | jkamp: still the same. |
| 02:40.13 | jkamp | Tordek: the first one shows a black background... the 2nd and 3rd are identical |
| 02:44.31 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@41.249.133.194) |
| 02:46.32 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 02:47.57 | *** join/#debian gnuvince (~vince@ip-96-43-230-230.dsl.netrevolution.com) |
| 02:48.14 | *** join/#debian gnuvince (~vince@unaffiliated/gnuvince) |
| 02:48.16 | Tordek | jkamp: the first one is the diff between 2 and 3 |
| 02:48.39 | Ozzie | jkamp: Thank you. |
| 02:48.45 | Ozzie | Bye. |
| 02:48.53 | *** part/#debian Ozzie (~Ozzie@189.221.244.108.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 02:49.03 | *** join/#debian gallant (~galant@77.29.84.162) |
| 02:49.32 | Tordek | they're not identical, but the difference is very slight (it even looks as if what's happening is that the renderer is filling in the antialiased edges with pure black instead of light grey) |
| 02:50.07 | *** join/#debian ecube (~ecube@unaffiliated/ecube) |
| 02:54.08 | *** join/#debian LinuxGuy91 (~LinuxGuy9@rrcs-24-227-146-98.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 02:56.57 | *** join/#debian bnw (~bnw@183.17.159.152) |
| 02:58.37 | *** join/#debian mharrison (~matt@unaffiliated/mharrison) |
| 02:59.28 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 02:59.39 | *** join/#debian Lars_G (~Lars@201.248.24.115) |
| 02:59.44 | Lars_G | Hello. |
| 03:00.09 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 03:00.44 | Lars_G | I have this bothersome behaviour in wheezy (since it was in beta it still lingers in final, i'm in 64 bits btw, jic), that sometimes after the machine goes to screensaver, when I come back, I need to move the mouse to use the buttons. That is, clicks (left, right, middle) do not register unles the pointer is moving, even a little.... |
| 03:00.57 | Lars_G | Has anyone found this? I've found clsoe reports, but nothing exactly like this so far |
| 03:01.03 | stree | super crazy behaviour when i click the link from Lars_G, he just insults people for a solution |
| 03:01.11 | *** join/#debian useall (~lb@2001:0:53aa:64c:43f:3231:d1b6:1eeb) |
| 03:03.28 | *** join/#debian Lars_G (~Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) |
| 03:05.09 | *** join/#debian Fire-Dragon-DoL (~Fire-Drag@adsl203-145-043.mclink.it) |
| 03:07.00 | nvz | Lars_G: is it a wireless mouse? |
| 03:07.35 | Lars_G | nvz: Nope, wired, usb. |
| 03:08.22 | *** join/#debian HaxCore (~p3rror@41.248.162.157) |
| 03:08.55 | nvz | Lars_G: is this persistent behavior after the screensaver is active or does it go back to normal after you mess with it? |
| 03:09.27 | nvz | also does the mouse movement or clicks terminate the screensaver? |
| 03:09.36 | *** join/#debian gabo (~t00l@host245.190-224-65.telecom.net.ar) |
| 03:11.14 | Lars_G | movements or clicks terminate the screensaver, the behaviour persist until xorg or the machine is restarted |
| 03:12.00 | nvz | did you look at dmesg and the xorg log to see if it says anything interesting? |
| 03:12.58 | nvz | idly wonders who uses screensavers anymore and why |
| 03:14.00 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 03:17.10 | nvz | I hope you're not off reading all that crap.. heh |
| 03:17.34 | nvz | cause all you need to look at is the tail end when the problem occurs.. if its not spewing crap then there is nothing to see |
| 03:17.51 | Lars_G | Hmmm I never thought about dmesg as I thought it was a higher level trouble. |
| 03:17.52 | *** join/#debian kbeezie (~kbeezie@nginx/adept/kblessinggr) |
| 03:18.04 | Lars_G | But I do am getting this on dmesg which might be related: usb 2-1.1.3: input irq status -75 received |
| 03:18.16 | kbeezie | trying to update apt-get for sun-java6-sdk based on https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html , but I keep getting this upon apt-get update. W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 03:18.33 | kbeezie | google isn't pulling up much as the unbuntu tips don't seem to help |
| 03:18.53 | jkamp | kbeezie: looks like you're using ubuntu? |
| 03:18.57 | jkamp | you want #ubuntu |
| 03:18.59 | kbeezie | using debian wheezy |
| 03:19.34 | kbeezie | android build eviroment has me install the repo found in https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html , in order to install sun-java6-jdk |
| 03:19.51 | nvz | Lars_G: well my line of questioning was based on the idea that your mouse or some subsystem below it or higher level thing such as an x input driver above is gettin sleepy then doesn't wake up |
| 03:20.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1174] by debhelper |
| 03:20.08 | nvz | hence why I asked if it was a wireless mouse.. cause they do go to sleep sometimes |
| 03:20.13 | Lars_G | kbeezie: On one hand you're using a canonical ubuntu repository for your apt, which is not good in debian. and second that kind of error is not terminal, it means you haven't installed the right public keys (gpg encryption) for the repository which are used to verify the packages there are built and signed by their "rightfull" maintainers |
| 03:20.33 | Lars_G | kbeezie: And, get your sun java from debian repos, not ubuntu ones. |
| 03:20.36 | kbeezie | Lars_G: then what's the debian repo for Java6-SDK? I'm just going by https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html |
| 03:20.51 | kbeezie | I had openjdk6 installed, but make bacon wasn't working |
| 03:20.58 | kbeezie | said I didn't have the correct java installed |
| 03:20.59 | *** join/#debian danecando (~danecando@c-98-249-250-92.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 03:21.02 | Lars_G | nvz: It seems more like a problem with mouse grabbing, but that hid error I'll have to pursue better |
| 03:21.15 | stree | mouse and media features like play stop next vol ext from my tree |
| 03:21.25 | nvz | kbeezie: you just use the standard debian repo.. need contrib and non-free enabled. though you probably aren't running debian anymore now. |
| 03:21.43 | *** join/#debian KiSM_ (~quassel@CPE-120-145-152-246.lnse2.pie.bigpond.net.au) |
| 03:21.51 | kbeezie | nvz: I was using the standard til make bacon said I didn't have the correct version of java installed |
| 03:21.54 | kbeezie | and gave me the link to https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html |
| 03:21.57 | nvz | stree: how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck chuked wood? |
| 03:22.09 | Lars_G | kbeezie: a) your basic debian repo, or non-free debian repo shoudl include sun java. b) that you have installed a new version doesn't means you're using it, you need to check what the alternatives system has configured to use as your main java/javac, galternatives is a gui program that might help you with this. |
| 03:22.45 | Lars_G | nvz: If he hasn't done an apt-get upgrade he probably still has virgin enough debian, java doesn't pull that many deps. if I remember well. |
| 03:22.54 | nvz | kbeezie: when I'm making bacon I usually don't listen to what it says.. especially if it tells me to use an ubuntu repo.. |
| 03:23.04 | kbeezie | openjdk-6-jdk 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb7u1 is what I installed originally |
| 03:23.05 | Lars_G | nvz: Is stree a bot, or a troll? |
| 03:23.09 | kbeezie | without adding any new repos |
| 03:23.56 | kbeezie | but I had the error: You are attempting to build with the incorrect version of java. Your version is: java version "1.6.0_27" The correct version is: Java SE 1.6. |
| 03:24.04 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Again, if you have several java versions, the default one used is determined by the alternatives system. Also check you have installed the sdk and not just the jre. Finally, I'f remove the ubuntu repository before you do more harm to your system |
| 03:24.08 | kbeezie | which linked me to https://source.android.com/source/download.html |
| 03:24.15 | *** join/#debian darknyan (~darknyan@unaffiliated/darknyan) |
| 03:24.28 | kbeezie | Lars_G: it's a brand new install, wheezy, fresh no software installed other than that openjdk-6-jdk |
| 03:24.39 | kbeezie | only after I got that error message did I attempt to follow the instructions on source.android.com |
| 03:25.07 | kbeezie | Lars_G: and the repo has already been removed |
| 03:25.18 | Lars_G | kbeezie: 1.6.0 IS SE 1.6, probably you have an older 1.6 installed than it needs, but don't use other distro's repos. If you have wheezy it should be more than enough to build android images. I do so on my wheezy, with debian provided jdks. |
| 03:25.46 | kbeezie | then is there's something I need mroe than just openjdk-6-jdk ? |
| 03:25.58 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Btw openjdk is the open version. It should work the same but it might be bacon has the sun one hardcoded in the tests |
| 03:26.06 | *** join/#debian basic6 (~basic6@p549A3F27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:26.16 | kbeezie | when I did an aptitude search for java6 , openjdk was the only thing that showed |
| 03:26.17 | ex0a | can i add an entire block of ipv6 ips in the interfaces file instead of doing them one by one? |
| 03:26.45 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:26.53 | Lars_G | Hmm even openjdk shoudl work, it's the one I use |
| 03:27.01 | *** join/#debian nagarkot (~nagarkot_@74.46.100.220.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 03:27.11 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Sun javas rely in contrib and/or non-free just in case. |
| 03:27.11 | *** join/#debian LinuxGuy_ (~LinuxGuy9@rrcs-24-227-146-98.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 03:27.50 | Lars_G | ex0a: You could with some scripting fu. |
| 03:28.03 | kbeezie | this is the sources.list that was installed on the fresh wheezy http://pastebin.com/c5nyVnQ5 |
| 03:28.19 | ex0a | Lars_G: yeah i was going to do it that way but was unsure if there was a native way to do it |
| 03:29.18 | *** join/#debian chaiz (~chaiz@ppp-124-122-200-75.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 03:29.36 | kbeezie | will deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy non-free work? |
| 03:30.52 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Let me see.... |
| 03:31.11 | *** join/#debian darknyan (~darknyan@unaffiliated/darknyan) |
| 03:31.45 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Yuppers that should work |
| 03:31.57 | Lars_G | kbeezie: there's sun's java 6.26 there |
| 03:32.09 | kbeezie | have that in, but when I do apt-get update, and then aptitude search java6, I don't get the list of sun-java* |
| 03:32.19 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Again, once you install it, install galternatives, and give it a spin. |
| 03:33.29 | Lars_G | kbeezie: I'll explain very quickly the alternatives system... with it you can have a few different versions of binaries in yoru system (as long as they're compiled to use the system), basically a progam file like /usr/bin/java is a symbolic link to /etc/alternatives/java which is a symbolic link that moves to point to one of a few versions you have installed. |
| 03:33.53 | kbeezie | k, wasn't aware java was installed by default |
| 03:33.59 | Lars_G | kbeezie: There are command line programs to change what version that is pointed at. but they might be a little more cumbersome to use at first. so galternatives is a nice gui way to do that. |
| 03:34.18 | kbeezie | cuz the template supposed to be very clean, but what I'm getting at is, aptitude isn't showing sun-java6-* at all, after I added in the non-free repo and updated |
| 03:34.38 | kbeezie | just java6-runtime -jdk and -runtime-headers |
| 03:34.42 | Lars_G | kbeezie: What you do is open it, (it'll ask for your root password most surely), and in the list of programs on the left, you choose java, and then javac (the java compiler), and on the right you should see all versions you have installed for each and be able to choose which one to use |
| 03:34.55 | kbeezie | sec |
| 03:35.11 | Lars_G | Well the package is there... sun-java6-jdk_6.26-0squeeze1 |
| 03:35.16 | Lars_G | ooops |
| 03:35.35 | Lars_G | Sorry there seems to be only squeeze in the pool, let me see |
| 03:35.37 | kbeezie | or is it still from squeeze and not wheezy? |
| 03:36.22 | Lars_G | It's for squeeze. |
| 03:36.34 | kbeezie | shows up if I change to squeeze, so guess got that part down |
| 03:36.41 | Lars_G | Nope, no sun-java for wheezy in the default repos... |
| 03:36.54 | Lars_G | Anyhow, it's odd since as I said, I do compile my roms with openjdk |
| 03:37.18 | kbeezie | Lars_G: it's specifically SlimBean's repo |
| 03:37.22 | kbeezie | which may differ |
| 03:37.24 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Ok there's a way here |
| 03:37.26 | kbeezie | in terms of checks and such |
| 03:37.27 | Lars_G | kbeezie: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 03:37.45 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Check for the wheezy section |
| 03:38.14 | Lars_G | kbeezie: and yes, I base my build so far on plain cyanogen, using their crazy breakfast/brunch/lunch build helpers so that must influde somehow. |
| 03:38.18 | kbeezie | I just installed sun-java6-jdk , after setting the repo to squeeze in sources.list for non-free |
| 03:38.28 | kbeezie | and this uses lunch as well |
| 03:39.00 | kbeezie | originally I was trying to build it on freebsd, but that seems impossible at this point |
| 03:39.06 | Lars_G | kbeezie: If you use those instructions, since you need the SE 6 version, from oracle just download the newest 1.6 java you see (not 1.7 / 7 which is what they'll push) to use with that package builder |
| 03:39.07 | kbeezie | so got a fresh deb wheezy vps going |
| 03:39.27 | Lars_G | kbeezie: Don't mix repos from other versions, or other systems with yours, that can cause lots of troubles |
| 03:39.39 | Lars_G | kbeezie: So, don't use ubuntu/squeeze/etc repos in your wheezy |
| 03:39.50 | kbeezie | meh lol |
| 03:40.30 | kbeezie | uninstalling sun-java6-jdk then the repo line |
| 03:40.52 | kbeezie | so in theory openjdk is 'supposed' to work? |
| 03:41.40 | Lars_G | kbeezie: it is. |
| 03:41.55 | Lars_G | kbeezie: If you want you can still try the instructions on that page to build a sun java package. |
| 03:42.46 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (~Rusty1@cpe-74-70-250-84.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:45.56 | ex0a | hmm i added a few ipv6 ips to the interfaces file and when trying to restart networking, it's not letting me bring up eth0.. where would debug information for that be? i didn't see anything specifically "errorish" in syslog |
| 03:46.52 | Lars_G | ex0a: How are you adding different ips to it? remember that for having more than one ip in an interface you'll have to create virtual interfaces: eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 03:47.02 | ex0a | ahh yeah, that's my issue |
| 03:47.10 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 03:47.13 | ex0a | ty |
| 03:48.03 | Lars_G | ex0a: Also, for every virtual you add (copy the whole: iface eth0 inet static" block to create your virtuals), you need to add an auto: "auto eth0:1" so they'll be brought up automatically on boot |
| 03:49.34 | ex0a | i'm using pre-down and post-up with /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:49.38 | ex0a | do i still need to do that? |
| 03:49.57 | ex0a | i would think that takes care of the auto eth0:x |
| 03:50.20 | Lars_G | you created an ifconfig script using post-up? why? |
| 03:50.28 | ex0a | no, it's in the interfaces file |
| 03:50.59 | ex0a | i didn't do it programmatically |
| 03:51.33 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 03:52.26 | Lars_G | you added post up in interfaces, with what, ifconfig up? |
| 03:52.38 | Lars_G | I'd use the auto system which is integrated into the network scripting |
| 03:53.08 | *** join/#debian tuunii (~tuunii@114.79.0.69) |
| 03:53.08 | ex0a | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.44 | ex0a | actually i bet i have to use a different eth0:x than eth0:0 if i have eth0:0 defined as an ipv4 virtual don't i? |
| 03:57.06 | Lars_G | Well, each virtual will take one ipv4 and one ipv6, afaik |
| 03:57.43 | ex0a | okay i commented out all my changes to the interfaces file and i still get the "failed to bring up eth0" issue |
| 03:57.49 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 03:57.59 | ex0a | is that because it's not taking something down on service networking restart related to eth0? |
| 03:58.33 | SixtyFold | is the main debian variant light weight enough for a netbook with a amd c-60 dual core 1.0ghz CPU, 4gb ram, HD 6250 graphics in it? |
| 03:59.09 | ex0a | that's fairly decent specs SixtyFold |
| 03:59.23 | Lars_G | SixtyFold: That shoudl run it, afaik, but if you find it slow you can always install and switch window managers (xfce is a well liked lightweight one) |
| 03:59.42 | *** join/#debian isay (3ee97efd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.233.126.253) |
| 03:59.44 | ex0a | i can run ubuntu with unity on my galaxy s4 |
| 04:00.00 | SixtyFold | ex0a - im having a heck of a time with this machine, it hates everything except windows 7 starter (which i dont have a disc for anymore) and i dont want to send acer 15 bux for that disk, so yah, trying tons of OSes to see what will mesh best with it |
| 04:00.38 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 04:00.51 | SixtyFold | Lars_G - im pretty stoked on LXDE usually, is that in the repos? |
| 04:00.53 | ex0a | what do you mean it hates it? |
| 04:00.53 | stree | put lxde in |
| 04:01.23 | *** part/#debian kbeezie (~kbeezie@nginx/adept/kblessinggr) |
| 04:01.34 | Lars_G | ex0a: you can blot out the IPs for security, but, pastebin what's your current interfaces file, to give it an eye |
| 04:01.45 | ex0a | and i agree use lxde |
| 04:01.50 | stree | put lxde in its all come |
| 04:01.57 | SixtyFold | ex0a - like it has issue even playing youtube videos now, its not ram either, so at best it's drivers i guess |
| 04:02.08 | ex0a | that's most likely a flash issue |
| 04:02.31 | SixtyFold | i ran memtest86+ for like 5 passes and it was fine |
| 04:02.38 | Lars_G | No, it could be a video driver issue |
| 04:02.51 | SixtyFold | ex0a - could be or it could be acer picky with video drivers |
| 04:03.39 | SixtyFold | like, it has hdmi out on it, so it's supposed to be able to do fulll 1080p output but ever since i smashed win7 starter off it, it hates me now, haha |
| 04:03.53 | ex0a | well, flash runs like crap on most of my low end devices |
| 04:03.59 | ex0a | especially in linux |
| 04:04.05 | ex0a | the only reason i said that |
| 04:04.47 | SixtyFold | ex0a - you did give me an idea to if i load win7 back on it, all i have is win7 pro, to obviously install the acer drivers but also try like itunes and windows media player through the hdmi and see if thats junking too |
| 04:05.07 | SixtyFold | i forgot to do that i think since i ripped starter off |
| 04:06.21 | *** join/#debian ffio (~fire@unaffiliated/security) |
| 04:07.48 | Lars_G | SixtyFold: Do have in account flash in linux is 1000 times crappier video driver using wise than in windows. |
| 04:07.56 | Lars_G | SixtyFold: It'll barely use acceleration, if at all. |
| 04:08.02 | ex0a | Lars_G: https://ex0a.privatepaste.com/a30b800ab4/passwerd |
| 04:08.03 | Lars_G | And that's flash's fault |
| 04:08.17 | Lars_G | ex0a: Not very private if you post here |
| 04:08.46 | ex0a | i blanked out ips |
| 04:09.05 | ex0a | password was just cause |
| 04:09.05 | ex0a | :P |
| 04:09.29 | *** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:09.30 | ex0a | err |
| 04:09.34 | ex0a | i missed a few oh well |
| 04:09.44 | ex0a | i'm doing like 5 things at once atm :| |
| 04:09.48 | Lars_G | ex0a: Are these post ups/downs new? I've used the mechanism little but a) I am not sure more than 1 can be added per interface (maybe, not sure), b) last time I checked it was just an enabler/disabler for the script names found in /etc/network/post-up.d etc |
| 04:10.18 | Lars_G | it'd really be easier to do iface blocks for extra IPs. |
| 04:10.31 | ex0a | the ip -f inet6 ones were there originally (setup by provider) |
| 04:10.36 | SixtyFold | i never tried debian yet on anything, figured ill see what that's like on this thing for the heck of it too then if it's no speedier, labor over putting win7 back on it with drivers and see if its still junk, then i either have the choice to pay acer the 15 bux for the full recovery disc or just use it for anything but video i guess, haha |
| 04:10.48 | Lars_G | ex0a: Btw, love the deab babe beef |
| 04:10.58 | ex0a | everything aside from the commented out ones were working previously |
| 04:11.02 | SixtyFold | funny thing is, is that atm, raspberryPi with raspbian runs youtube better than this netbook, haha |
| 04:11.03 | ex0a | ty ;) |
| 04:11.47 | ex0a | SixtyFold: have you googled to see if there are any distros that are confirmed to work with your model of netbook? |
| 04:11.58 | ex0a | it might lead you in the direction to see what's causing your graphics issues |
| 04:12.51 | Lars_G | you realize your netmasks are /32 ? |
| 04:13.45 | SixtyFold | ex0a - some, there isnt really a ton of info on it in general, linux period wouldnt even install on it until kernel 3.5 actually, the bios on this thing wouldnt even recognize it, haha |
| 04:14.13 | Lars_G | Anyhow, I'm out |
| 04:14.14 | ex0a | yeah Lars_G the provider told me to do that a year or two ago on one of my other boxes due to something with the way they route stuff for the virtual mac stuff for virtual machines |
| 04:14.16 | Lars_G | been here too long |
| 04:14.21 | SixtyFold | l8r Lars_G |
| 04:14.25 | Lars_G | ex0a: Ok. |
| 04:14.27 | ex0a | ty for your help lars |
| 04:14.39 | Lars_G | ex0a: Sorry I couldn't find the error. On first hand, looks ok |
| 04:14.41 | *** join/#debian firecode_ (~irc@177.106.46.188) |
| 04:14.59 | ex0a | it has to be something to do with it not bringing down eth0 properly or something |
| 04:15.31 | ex0a | i'll figure it out eventually ;) |
| 04:16.36 | *** join/#debian firecode (~irc@unaffiliated/firecode) |
| 04:17.34 | *** join/#debian Steeler (~steeler@dynamic-adsl-94-34-86-182.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 04:18.42 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (~chatzilla@dslb-094-223-004-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:19.50 | *** join/#debian elkingrey (~elkingrey@pool-71-168-90-191.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net) |
| 04:22.20 | *** join/#debian zed45 (~py@ool-18b9bd01.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:23.00 | *** join/#debian aindilis (~aindilis@173-165-36-107-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 04:25.05 | bullgard4 | [Debian Wheezy] '~$ mount' shows that a NFS filesystem version 3 is mounted. How can I determine what NFS client program I am using? |
| 04:25.13 | stree | not determine filesystem mount points |
| 04:25.46 | *** join/#debian masoudd (~masoudd@92.50.8.94) |
| 04:26.03 | bullgard4 | stree: I do not understand your English. Can you say it in other words, pleas? |
| 04:26.06 | stree | some words |
| 04:26.10 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 04:26.31 | bullgard4 | +e |
| 04:26.40 | *** join/#debian SibirischerTiger (~Nicholas@adsl-108-196-229-245.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1168] by debhelper |
| 04:31.40 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/bullgard4) |
| 04:37.13 | *** join/#debian Vicissitude (~Vicissitu@pdpc/supporter/active/vicissitude) |
| 04:38.35 | *** join/#debian useragent (~Thunderbi@grm-studby-128-39-149-158.studby.uia.no) |
| 04:39.56 | *** join/#debian firecode_ (~irc@177.106.47.218) |
| 04:40.32 | *** join/#debian ivotkl (bec091d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.192.145.214) |
| 04:42.56 | *** join/#debian cyBot (~clyde@27.151.75.79) |
| 04:44.04 | *** join/#debian firecode (~irc@unaffiliated/firecode) |
| 04:47.40 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 04:52.05 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 04:52.50 | ex0a | man i can't figure this out |
| 04:53.43 | Vicissitude | maybe we can help you figure it out |
| 04:54.01 | ex0a | i commented out everything in the interfaces file that i modified, removed the default routes for ipv6 just to make sure, and i keep getting: RTNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 04:55.20 | ex0a | nothing was changed with the ipv4 section or the default routes and default addr for ipv6 |
| 04:55.39 | ex0a | what else can cause that eth0 issue? |
| 04:55.44 | *** join/#debian leemar (~leemar@c-24-218-60-25.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 04:55.54 | leemar | I thought Debian had webmin packaged? |
| 04:56.51 | *** join/#debian freeminds (~isset___@dslb-094-220-075-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:56.59 | ex0a | webmin has webmin packaged for debian |
| 04:57.04 | ex0a | get it from their site |
| 04:57.11 | *** join/#debian firecode_ (~irc@177.106.47.218) |
| 04:57.39 | ex0a | they may even have a repository, though i don't use webmin so i have no idea |
| 04:58.03 | Vsim | ex0a: probably not your issue, but mac addresses changes can kill eth#. Had an issue with an instance of debian on hyperv that uses dynamic mac addresses by default. |
| 04:58.23 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host52-231-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 04:58.27 | ex0a | yeah that can't (i wouldn't think) be the issue |
| 04:59.06 | ex0a | the only changes i made were ifconfig lines in the interfaces file |
| 04:59.26 | leemar | is webmin not packaged by Debian due to the BSD license? ........ OpenSSH is BSD licensed... |
| 04:59.26 | ex0a | all of which are commented out and i still get both of those errors |
| 05:00.16 | ex0a | not sure leemar, but you're better off getting the latest packages directly anyway so that the updates aren't delayed by debian's arguably slow release schedule |
| 05:00.24 | Vsim | what's left in your interfaces file? |
| 05:00.36 | ex0a | Vsim: sec, pastebinning |
| 05:00.45 | leemar | ex0a: I'm thinking of trying FreeNAS or NAS4Free on this box..... |
| 05:01.03 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 05:01.05 | *** join/#debian anon5876 (~pi@AMontpellier-652-1-124-56.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:02.46 | leemar | what's a good webmin-like environment packaged by Debian? |
| 05:03.10 | ex0a | vsim: https://ex0a.privatepaste.com/e412052d66 (pming password) |
| 05:03.24 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 05:04.01 | ex0a | leemar: i have no idea.. i don't use those type of packages |
| 05:04.43 | ex0a | they always end up changing things i don't want changed, can't be removed easily, and sometimes introduce new attack vectors |
| 05:06.03 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 05:06.17 | Vsim | ex0a: I only have address, netmask, gateway. Not a network and broadcast in my interfaces, but I doubt that would be a problem *looks some more* |
| 05:06.22 | stree | your interfaces file |
| 05:06.49 | ex0a | stree: https://ex0a.privatepaste.com/e412052d66 (pming password) |
| 05:07.26 | *** join/#debian nmistry (~nmistry@cpe-173-173-119-141.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 05:08.00 | ex0a | Vsim: the ipv4 and ipv6 default static ips (eth0) were both added as is by the provider |
| 05:08.49 | ex0a | the virtual ipv4s were added by me and use the 255.255.255.255 netmask because i had been previously told by the provider to do that to support their virtual mac address routing or something |
| 05:09.12 | ex0a | all of the ipv4s and the default ipv6 worked fine (though i did get the RTNETLINK error) before hand |
| 05:09.56 | ex0a | only since trying to add and subsequently removing the virtual ipv6s have i had the issue with eth0 not coming back up effectively cancelling my ability to update the interfacees |
| 05:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1160] by debhelper |
| 05:11.23 | *** join/#debian soulpro (~soulpro@75.87.113.222) |
| 05:11.36 | *** join/#debian ClydeLin (~clyde@27.151.75.79) |
| 05:12.49 | isay | http://postimg.org/image/lucuuru8n/ |
| 05:12.54 | Vsim | ex0a: If it were me I'd copy the interfaces and make a new one with the first 15 lines (about lo and eth0) and try up'ing the interface without the other stuff and ipv6 stuff |
| 05:13.02 | isay | is this the same for you al |
| 05:13.39 | *** part/#debian soulpro (~soulpro@75.87.113.222) |
| 05:15.13 | *** join/#debian evilman_home (kvirc@89-179-77-66.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 05:15.51 | ex0a | okay Vsim will give it a go |
| 05:16.44 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:17.41 | ex0a | Vsim: no go with nothing but the main ip |
| 05:17.49 | ex0a | there has to be something i'm overlooking |
| 05:18.15 | Vsim | does it give some type of error message when you do an ifup/ifdown on eth0? |
| 05:19.04 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 05:19.48 | *** join/#debian jgiorgi (~justin@216.7.117.247) |
| 05:19.49 | *** join/#debian jgiorgi (~justin@unaffiliated/jgiorgi) |
| 05:19.52 | *** join/#debian Losowski (~Galicja@176.122.215.241) |
| 05:19.58 | ex0a | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured ; RTNETLINK answers: File exists ; Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 05:20.07 | ex0a | though that may be because i didn't take the virtuals down first? |
| 05:20.23 | ex0a | i've removed all ipv6 routes and addresses including lo |
| 05:21.03 | ex0a | the ipv4 routes and addresses should be fine though as i didn't modify anything at all with them |
| 05:21.54 | *** join/#debian HazardX64 (~HazardX3@pool-96-237-170-87.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:22.05 | *** join/#debian nullby7e (~null@unaffiliated/nullby7e) |
| 05:22.34 | *** join/#debian adaro (~jkuperus@53518F8B.cm-6-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 05:23.18 | *** join/#debian yht (~yht@110.137.244.77) |
| 05:23.35 | ex0a | i'm not sure what else affects the ability to bring up/down an interface, but i've eliminated everything that i can think of short of disconnecting myself from the server |
| 05:23.41 | *** join/#debian Selveste1_Laptop (~hds@31.25.23.230) |
| 05:24.09 | Vsim | I'm not sure off the top either. |
| 05:24.32 | Vsim | You still see an ethernet card with # lspci right? |
| 05:24.41 | Losowski | has disabled the 'Zswap' Linux Kernel feature in 3.11-rc2 after testing. Doesn't provide any noticeable benefit. |
| 05:25.08 | Vsim | Are you remoted into the server? |
| 05:25.12 | *** join/#debian luckman212 (~luckman21@unaffiliated/luckman212) |
| 05:25.22 | ex0a | # lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 05:25.22 | ex0a | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 05:25.26 | ex0a | i'm ssh'd |
| 05:25.51 | Vsim | The other thing you may want to do is # cd /var/log, #grep -iR eth * |
| 05:25.59 | ex0a | okay |
| 05:26.19 | Vsim | or or search for anything else you could thing of ethernet/network related in the log files |
| 05:26.26 | *** join/#debian dansushi (~dan@ool-45755bf2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:26.29 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 05:29.23 | Vsim | ex0a: what about the ouput of # netstat -rn |
| 05:30.58 | *** join/#debian Linxinyu (~ClydeLin@27.151.75.79) |
| 05:31.24 | *** join/#debian dzragon (~dzragon@95.109.55.51) |
| 05:31.41 | Vsim | http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43665 |
| 05:32.10 | *** join/#debian evilman_home|2 (kvirc@89-179-77-66.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 05:32.15 | *** join/#debian chatsiri_ (~chatsiri_@171.6.143.86) |
| 05:32.16 | *** join/#debian Lolla1 (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 05:33.22 | ex0a | pastebinning Vsim |
| 05:34.04 | ex0a | https://ex0a.privatepaste.com/83bc731da7 |
| 05:34.18 | *** join/#debian jiohdi (~jiohdi@pool-173-65-73-184.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:35.09 | Vsim | ok, not the same issue as the link about raspberrypi. |
| 05:35.31 | ex0a | nope |
| 05:35.48 | *** join/#debian prienge (mandrix@cm186.epsilon130.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 05:36.07 | *** part/#debian Losowski (~Galicja@176.122.215.241) |
| 05:36.38 | ex0a | maybe i'll try that ifdown --force -v eth0 |
| 05:36.54 | ex0a | something like ifdown --force -v eth0; ifup -v eth0 |
| 05:36.57 | Vsim | can you get into the system outside of ssh? |
| 05:37.00 | *** join/#debian project2501b (~kot@109.171.130.210) |
| 05:37.09 | ex0a | if i reboot into vkvm |
| 05:37.40 | ex0a | i'm really just trying to avoid a reboot |
| 05:37.57 | ex0a | but at this point i'm not sure what else to try if i can't force eth0 to deconfigure and come back up |
| 05:38.03 | Vsim | ok, good. Out of curiosity, did you do an upgrades recently? wondering if it may have caused some type of memory leak or something (not that I've ever seen it with ethernet cards) |
| 05:38.09 | ex0a | nope |
| 05:38.21 | ex0a | all of this is related to adding the ipv6 ips |
| 05:38.27 | *** join/#debian WormFood (~wormfood@183.14.17.241) |
| 05:38.35 | ex0a | which ironically i removed all routes and addresses from inet6 |
| 05:38.40 | ex0a | and still it's doing this |
| 05:39.04 | Vsim | I'd go with the windows sys admin fix, reboot lol |
| 05:39.16 | ex0a | i'm going to try this ifdown --force first |
| 05:39.51 | ex0a | would be much better to have a netfart than a netsplit ;) |
| 05:40.24 | ex0a | if i don't say something in the next minute or so, i'll be back eventually ;) |
| 05:41.44 | *** join/#debian Interruptus (~Interrupt@212.143.64.79) |
| 05:43.02 | ex0a | nice that seemed to do it |
| 05:44.39 | *** join/#debian dansushi (~dan@ool-45755bf2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:44.56 | ex0a | hmm but it's not bringing up the virtual ipv4 interfaces now |
| 05:45.49 | ex0a | okay it did the second time |
| 05:45.58 | Vsim | weird |
| 05:46.20 | *** join/#debian iPwnd (~ipwn@2.80.99.212) |
| 05:46.33 | *** join/#debian dansushi (~dan@ool-45755bf2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:46.34 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 05:47.00 | *** join/#debian sonofzeus (75ceecfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.206.236.254) |
| 05:47.02 | Vsim | I've never used post-up, post-down for virtual interfaces. |
| 05:47.09 | *** part/#debian sonofzeus (75ceecfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.206.236.254) |
| 05:48.09 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 05:50.17 | *** part/#debian isay (3ee97efd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.233.126.253) |
| 05:52.20 | *** join/#debian atyoung (~atyoung@gateway/tor-sasl/darkwurm) |
| 05:52.55 | *** join/#debian BotaniCar (~BotaniCar@78-1-141-243.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 05:53.33 | *** join/#debian funyun (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 05:55.29 | ex0a | okay so the default ipv6 section that the provider added is what is causing the issues now |
| 05:56.21 | *** join/#debian sonofzeus (75ceecfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.206.236.254) |
| 05:56.32 | sonofzeus | Hi |
| 05:58.48 | Fivuk | ex0a, nice provider. |
| 05:59.16 | *** join/#debian Bry8Star (~Bry8Star@gateway/tor-sasl/bry8star) |
| 05:59.33 | ex0a | Fivuk: well, it wasn't causing it until after i tried adding extra virtual interfaces for more ips |
| 05:59.57 | ex0a | but, it's exactly how they had it, so something else is still bugged out |
| 06:01.00 | Fivuk | Who is your provider ex0a ? |
| 06:01.29 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 06:01.45 | ex0a | ovh.com |
| 06:01.47 | *** join/#debian prince_j1mmys (~mischa@pool-108-14-188-179.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 06:01.51 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.202.117.72) |
| 06:02.09 | *** join/#debian sysrqalt (~brock@c-67-171-178-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 06:02.44 | bnw | Hi everyone. I overrode the Chromium wiki page with the Chinese translation by accident. How to revert the changes? Sorry for the inconvenient. |
| 06:04.30 | *** join/#debian ignasio (~ignasio@78-62-33-67.static.zebra.lt) |
| 06:04.57 | *** join/#debian jiohdi (~jiohdi@pool-173-65-73-184.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:05.57 | ex0a | try using google or something to translate the page back so you can see where to go to change it back :P |
| 06:06.40 | ex0a | or do you mean you literally changed the info on the wiki and not just the selected language? |
| 06:06.53 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 06:08.05 | bnw | I overrode this page: http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium with the Chinese translation, for which I should have created a new page. |
| 06:08.22 | *** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157) |
| 06:08.30 | *** join/#debian ilikenwf (~ilikenwf@173-17-243-244.client.mchsi.com) |
| 06:08.54 | *** join/#debian nullPointer (~null@5.120.222.229) |
| 06:09.09 | Vsim | bnw: http://web.archive.org/web/20130620141714/http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium |
| 06:09.16 | Vsim | :) |
| 06:10.10 | *** join/#debian Rosha (~rosha@37.254.197.107) |
| 06:10.18 | *** part/#debian nullPointer (~null@5.120.222.229) |
| 06:10.52 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.202.117.72) |
| 06:11.51 | *** join/#debian krz (~foo@unaffiliated/krz) |
| 06:11.59 | krz | how old are debian packages? |
| 06:11.59 | Vsim | bnw: I don't know much about moin moin or the wiki, but I googled this " Log in to the wiki, by clicking on the UserPreferences in the top right corner of the page. Then, go to the page you wish to revert. Click on Info, then click 'Show "Revision History"'. There is a revert action in the right column of that page. Pick the version and click on "revert". Be warned: there's no confirmation dialog; the change is applied immediat |
| 06:12.00 | Vsim | ely. " |
| 06:12.17 | bnw | Vsim, That's funny. Never mind. I just fix the page. |
| 06:13.04 | Vsim | I couldn't help it, with the archive.org bit |
| 06:13.52 | ex0a | as soon as i add the first ipv6 ip (ip -f inet6 addr IP dev eth0) I get: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 06:13.52 | *** join/#debian chattr (~regnad_kc@50.88.159.226) |
| 06:14.04 | ex0a | addr add IP* |
| 06:14.46 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.202.117.72) |
| 06:15.26 | *** join/#debian evilman_home (kvirc@89-179-77-66.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 06:15.35 | *** join/#debian Devastator (~devas@186.214.15.4) |
| 06:19.11 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.202.117.72) |
| 06:19.18 | *** join/#debian doleyb__ (~pwickis@pool-173-48-101-14.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:20.43 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 06:20.51 | *** join/#debian HALEB0B (~HALEB0B@unaffiliated/haleb0b) |
| 06:23.44 | *** join/#debian FWL73 (~androirc@115.244.20.150) |
| 06:23.44 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 06:24.00 | FWL73 | Hello debian lover |
| 06:24.05 | FWL73 | Need help |
| 06:25.17 | FWL73 | I just Download and install debian 7.1 xfce cd iso (base instller) |
| 06:25.57 | FWL73 | I have a laptop with AMD Redon HD 7730M graphics card |
| 06:26.44 | FWL73 | Any body know how to install AMD driver |
| 06:26.52 | *** join/#debian on1ald (~ben@178-117-90-253.access.telenet.be) |
| 06:27.18 | ex0a | install fglrx or get the driver from amd's site, chmod +x it, and run it |
| 06:28.50 | FWL73 | Yaa I have a AMD driver catalyst 13.1 |
| 06:28.57 | FWL73 | But how |
| 06:29.18 | *** part/#debian Lolla1 (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 06:30.34 | Vsim | FWL73 (# unzip amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-xxxxxx.zip) (# chmod 755 amd-driver-installer-xxxxx.run) (# ./amd-driver-installer-xxx.run) |
| 06:31.08 | Vsim | then you can do configuration via the aticonfig |
| 06:31.26 | FWL73 | Cause every time I try to install I got version.h file error |
| 06:31.54 | *** join/#debian zRecursive (~czsq888@110.188.66.24) |
| 06:31.58 | Vsim | ooh, *digs through notes* |
| 06:36.16 | Vsim | FWL73 64 bit or 32 bit drivers? |
| 06:36.29 | Vsim | err I mean 32 bit or 64 bit version of debian |
| 06:36.53 | *** part/#debian HALEB0B (~HALEB0B@unaffiliated/haleb0b) |
| 06:37.44 | *** join/#debian saintcajetan (~sodalitum@cpe-72-183-246-29.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 06:37.48 | FWL73 | Dude iam getting no fonts in AMD driver setup |
| 06:37.53 | FWL73 | Pls helo |
| 06:38.55 | Vsim | I did an apt-get install gcc make linux-header-3.2.0-5-amd64 to get rid of the version.h error |
| 06:39.54 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal_ (~pater@unaffiliated/cowboyneal) |
| 06:40.25 | Vsim | if you run it from the gui it uses the 32 bit libraries. (# apt-get install lib32stdc++6 ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk) |
| 06:40.29 | stree | its own libraries |
| 06:41.53 | *** part/#debian zRecursive (~czsq888@110.188.66.24) |
| 06:42.26 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 06:43.13 | FWL73 | Guys pls help |
| 06:44.19 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 06:44.37 | *** join/#debian raptor67782 (~raptor676@unaffiliated/raptor67682) |
| 06:45.36 | *** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@2.83.7.118) |
| 06:45.43 | *** join/#debian lord4163 (~lord4163@81-232-61-81-no226.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 06:46.44 | *** join/#debian HALEB0B (~HALEB0B@unaffiliated/haleb0b) |
| 06:46.52 | ex0a | # ip -6 addr add 2607:5300:60:*edited*::1/64 dev eth0 |
| 06:46.52 | ex0a | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 06:46.59 | ex0a | is that not valid? |
| 06:47.05 | ex0a | this is driving me crazy |
| 06:48.11 | *** join/#debian funyun_ (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 06:48.40 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 06:51.14 | *** join/#debian kresp0 (~kresp0@30.Red-88-6-105.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:51.35 | Vsim | ex0a looks like the command from the ipv6 wiki page. It says to use that if your router doesn't have advertisements (which I'd assume means dhcp) |
| 06:52.30 | Dagger3 | well, "*edited*" isn't valid... |
| 06:52.37 | ex0a | well of course not |
| 06:53.06 | ex0a | but the part i removed is correct (triple checked and copied and pasted from the provider's control panel) |
| 06:53.38 | Dagger3 | does `ifconfig | grep inet6` list anything? (i.e. do you have the v6 modules loaded?) |
| 06:54.08 | Dagger3 | and does `ifconfig eth0` list a scope:link address? |
| 06:54.12 | *** join/#debian FreezingCold (~Freeze@198-91-168-144.cpe.distributel.net) |
| 06:54.30 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 06:55.18 | ex0a | no for both |
| 06:55.31 | Dagger3 | does `modprobe ipv6` load the module? |
| 06:55.58 | ex0a | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/modules.dep.bin' |
| 06:56.16 | ex0a | ipv6 was working (on the default ip) earlier though |
| 06:57.46 | *** join/#debian xxsashixx (~sashi@75.154.230.145) |
| 06:58.23 | ex0a | let me go through and add everything in the order that ifup does |
| 06:58.31 | ex0a | and i'll pastebin everything |
| 06:58.49 | Dagger3 | it sounds kinda like your modules are buggered though |
| 06:59.18 | Dagger3 | (I don't know how to fix that... `depmod` maybe?) |
| 07:00.13 | *** join/#debian cyberspace- (20253@109.74.194.224) |
| 07:00.52 | *** part/#debian leemar (~leemar@c-24-218-60-25.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 07:01.06 | ex0a | how would that have happened? ipv6 was setup by the provider on installation and none of these issues came to light until after i tried to add extra ipv6 ips in the interfaces file |
| 07:01.33 | *** join/#debian ChipButty (~T@c-24-21-57-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:01.38 | *** join/#debian jiohdi_ (~jiohdi@pool-173-65-73-184.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:01.47 | ex0a | i was able to ping the main ipv6 ip etc |
| 07:01.54 | Fivuk | http://imgur.com/gallery/Y3HYv2C |
| 07:03.07 | *** join/#debian jpo (~jpo@unaffiliated/jpo) |
| 07:03.19 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 07:03.19 | Fivuk | be back later |
| 07:03.56 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.202.117.72) |
| 07:04.52 | *** join/#debian krz (~foobar@unaffiliated/krz) |
| 07:04.52 | Dagger3 | ex0a: no idea, but I doubt it was directly due to trying to add extra IPs |
| 07:05.24 | krz | what version of vim does debian have in its packages? |
| 07:05.59 | *** join/#debian adb (~IonMoldom@22-56.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 07:06.27 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 07:08.00 | *** join/#debian ne0sis (~quassel@41-135-84-215.dsl.mweb.co.za) |
| 07:08.58 | james41382 | I've noticed that sometimes when I try to open a root terminal the cursor indicates that it's working and then nothing happens. Has anyone else experienced this? I tried to look up something about it on the web, but didn't come across much. |
| 07:09.02 | ex0a | krz: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vim |
| 07:09.18 | ex0a | Dagger3: i have no /lib/modules directory, does that mean my kernel doesn't support modules? |
| 07:09.37 | *** join/#debian drhouse123_ (~drhouse12@92.47.18.200) |
| 07:11.16 | Dagger3 | ex0a: that seems unlikely |
| 07:12.45 | *** join/#debian codesoup (~codesoup@69-165-156-66.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 07:13.52 | *** join/#debian matanya (~matanya@wikimedia/matanya) |
| 07:14.02 | krz | is this the right place to ask about linux mint lmde edition? |
| 07:16.13 | ex0a | you'd be better off asking in a mint specific place krz |
| 07:16.26 | ex0a | what exactly are you wanting to know though? |
| 07:16.47 | ex0a | lmde has an irc channel btw |
| 07:16.57 | ex0a | if you open xchat it will autoconnect |
| 07:17.07 | krz | which channel? |
| 07:17.12 | *** join/#debian LordShiva (~shiva@gateway/tor-sasl/lordshiva) |
| 07:17.21 | ex0a | i can't remember off the top of my head, and i'm not sure it's on freenode |
| 07:17.33 | krz | why would anyone use lmde instead of debian distro ? |
| 07:18.03 | ex0a | why would anyone drive a ford instead of a chevy? |
| 07:18.34 | *** join/#debian maroloccio (~marolocci@93.Red-79-146-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:18.46 | ex0a | in all seriousness though, i find lmde more polished as a desktop than debian |
| 07:18.58 | *** join/#debian dc5ala (~dc5ala@stgt-5f70b534.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 07:19.09 | ex0a | but it all comes down to personal preference |
| 07:19.21 | krz | ah so its more on the desktop end |
| 07:23.11 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 07:23.39 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 07:23.58 | ex0a | Dagger3: any idea on what i can do? depmod leads nowhere if i'm missing /lib/modules |
| 07:24.29 | ex0a | # uname -a |
| 07:24.29 | ex0a | Linux foo 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri May 31 13:26:19 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:24.55 | Dagger3 | ex0a: hmm... reinstall the kernel? you're on OVH, and they compile their own custom kernels, so I'm not entirely sure how to go about doing that though |
| 07:25.21 | ex0a | i think i just have to wget it and reboot |
| 07:25.26 | *** join/#debian Worf (~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 07:25.46 | ex0a | maybe i'll contact the ovh techs and see what they say |
| 07:25.50 | ex0a | before i reboot |
| 07:25.57 | ex0a | was hoping that a reboot wasn't necessary |
| 07:26.22 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 07:27.12 | Dagger3 | ex0a: hm, according to http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4280 OVH's kernels don't support modules (what the huh?) |
| 07:27.28 | Dagger3 | also, the kernel name has "ipv6" in it so you'd think it'd have ipv6 compiled in... |
| 07:29.27 | *** join/#debian maik (~maik@nemo.halfzero.net) |
| 07:30.45 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (~youri@CPE-121-222-29-132.lnse1.cha.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:31.19 | *** join/#debian tormen (~me@lib59-1-82-225-122-122.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:33.00 | ex0a | i just fixed it |
| 07:33.25 | ex0a | i had to manually add the ::1/128 ip and route |
| 07:33.36 | ex0a | after that it let me add the ip -_- |
| 07:34.17 | krz | does debian has support of bumblebee? |
| 07:34.36 | ex0a | krz: have you googled to see? |
| 07:34.42 | ex0a | i have no idea what bumblebee is |
| 07:34.57 | krz | yeap, not so many results |
| 07:35.09 | ex0a | what is bumblebee? |
| 07:35.27 | krz | support for nvidia optimus video cards |
| 07:35.35 | krz | better battery life |
| 07:35.38 | Dagger3 | ex0a: uh, hm. so how did you lose your IPs in the first place? |
| 07:35.39 | ex0a | http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 07:35.45 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 07:36.04 | *** join/#debian kain88 (~kain88@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de) |
| 07:36.05 | Dagger3 | (Linux will drop v6 from an interface if the MTU is set below 1280 at any point, maybe that had something to do with it?) |
| 07:36.27 | ex0a | Dagger3: i removed all ipv6 ips and routes when i was unable to restart networking (Failed to bring up interface eth0) |
| 07:36.46 | ex0a | i ended up having to ifdown --force eth0 to get it to deconfigure the interface |
| 07:36.50 | *** join/#debian d45h (~d45h@unaffiliated/dash-/x-7576607) |
| 07:37.22 | ex0a | not sure what went wrong, but i spent several hours trying to get it back to how it was before i started trying to add ips |
| 07:37.27 | ex0a | now i'm back to that point |
| 07:37.29 | krz | if i download debian. does it come with xfce or gnome3? |
| 07:37.30 | ex0a | :P |
| 07:39.02 | ex0a | http://lmgtfy.com/q?default+debian+desktop+environment |
| 07:39.15 | ex0a | http://lmgtfy.com/?qdefault+debian+desktop+environment |
| 07:39.21 | ex0a | .. |
| 07:39.29 | ex0a | i fail worse than your google foo with that |
| 07:39.49 | ex0a | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=default+debian+desktop+environment |
| 07:39.51 | ex0a | there |
| 07:40.01 | Dagger3 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy+url+syntax |
| 07:40.08 | ex0a | tyvm <3 |
| 07:40.10 | ex0a | :P |
| 07:40.31 | *** join/#debian blommer (~blommer@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:d3c0:ed9b) |
| 07:40.38 | Deeps | lol |
| 07:42.03 | *** join/#debian adellam (~adellam@pdpc/supporter/active/adellam) |
| 07:44.12 | *** join/#debian forced (~forced@107-199-204-18.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:45.32 | *** join/#debian jgiorgi-home (~justin@216.7.117.247) |
| 07:46.34 | ex0a | well, i have the default ipv6 ip and route readded now, but i can't ping past the gateway :| |
| 07:47.03 | ex0a | this has been such a productive evening so far |
| 07:47.46 | *** join/#debian Konomi (~Konomi@unaffiliated/konomi) |
| 07:47.52 | *** join/#debian nicoulaj (~nicoulaj@pas38-5-82-244-59-208.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:48.15 | *** join/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:48.36 | krz | why would anyone want to install with linux mint? |
| 07:48.43 | krz | directly installing debian seems fines |
| 07:48.49 | krz | just looking at some yt videos |
| 07:49.00 | *** part/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:49.12 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:49.44 | bnw | Is debain some word of insulting? It's not allowed in a wiki page, so when I hit "save" after a mount of edits, and all magically gone? bloody hell. |
| 07:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1166] by debhelper |
| 07:50.47 | ex0a | bnw: did it say that was the word that caused it? |
| 07:50.57 | bnw | and I just found that the word ins't added by me, it's there in the old version. |
| 07:51.15 | *** join/#debian ignasio (~ignasio@78-62-33-67.static.zebra.lt) |
| 07:51.17 | *** join/#debian f10 (~f10@188-192-183-84-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 07:51.42 | bnw | ex0a, Yes, the feedback says "debain is not allowed." |
| 07:52.13 | ex0a | well, you could try spelling it right and see if that helps |
| 07:52.21 | ex0a | maybe they don't want you to typo it? |
| 07:53.30 | FWL73 | Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:55.17 | *** join/#debian dash_ (~d45h@unaffiliated/dash-/x-7576607) |
| 07:55.29 | *** join/#debian babilen_ (~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 07:56.04 | *** join/#debian mooperd (~anonymous@cpc3-aztw4-0-0-cust110.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:56.59 | bnw | It was there in the old version. miss the old opera, when editing something in browser, fast forward or backward with give back what you have typed in. |
| 07:57.05 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 07:57.30 | *** join/#debian brong_ (~brong@2001:4479:3a06:ff48:9c7c:d17e:8696:b68a) |
| 07:58.08 | *** join/#debian lasers (~lasers@unaffiliated/lasers) |
| 07:58.13 | FWL73 | (bnw) It was there in the old version. miss the old opera, when editing something in browser, fast forward or backward with give back what you have typed in. |
| 07:58.32 | FWL73 | (FWL73) Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:58.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps are there projects of addons for sshd to allow for one time passwords or other some type of authentication beside keys and passwords? |
| 07:58.46 | FWL73 | (FWL73) Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:59.00 | FWL73 | (FWL73) Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:59.07 | stree | and xfce respectively installed as recovery mode? |
| 07:59.08 | FWL73 | (FWL73) Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:59.08 | bnw | FWL73, don't spam. |
| 07:59.10 | FWL73 | (FWL73) Guys how to download full iso of. Debian 7 xfce |
| 07:59.19 | FWL73 | Okk |
| 07:59.54 | bnw | FWL73, Just righ click on the iso link and choose save as if you are using a browser. |
| 08:00.29 | krz | how do i check of debian has rbenv or rvm packages? |
| 08:00.49 | FWL73 | Dude I want a link of full debian 7 xfce |
| 08:00.55 | FWL73 | Amd64 |
| 08:01.02 | FWL73 | Pls provide |
| 08:01.10 | krz | FWL73: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 08:01.16 | stree | krz: why are you talking am |
| 08:01.31 | krz | stree: am? |
| 08:02.06 | krz | FWL73: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 08:02.31 | FWL73 | No Torrent link |
| 08:02.38 | FWL73 | Pls |
| 08:02.40 | ex0a | FWL73: google a bit |
| 08:02.41 | *** join/#debian \\Mr_C\\ (mrc@adsl-98-89-29-39.mgm.bellsouth.net) |
| 08:02.58 | FWL73 | Pls provide a link |
| 08:03.21 | ex0a | i'm not providing anything for you |
| 08:03.39 | *** join/#debian Jdbye (~jdbye@ti0010a380-dhcp1283.bb.online.no) |
| 08:03.47 | ex0a | people just gave you way more help than you deserve |
| 08:04.11 | *** join/#debian Jbdye (~jdbye@ti0010a380-dhcp1283.bb.online.no) |
| 08:04.17 | *** join/#debian iCarly (~thomas@p5B09C607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:04.53 | FWL73 | And which to download dvd1 or dvd2 or dvd3 |
| 08:05.42 | ex0a | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=which+debian+dvd+should+i+download |
| 08:06.04 | FWL73 | And what is different between them |
| 08:06.27 | Deeps | FWL73: i get the feeling xubuntu might be better for you xD |
| 08:06.37 | ex0a | or maybe windows 8 |
| 08:06.41 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~bitcount@81.61.208.23.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 08:06.53 | babilen_ | FWL73: I would *strongly* advice you to not repeat a question that often as you did earlier in the future. It simply is unnecessary and constitutes quite a disruption to the channel. |
| 08:06.56 | FWL73 | Okk |
| 08:07.10 | FWL73 | I want to install debian so pls help |
| 08:07.29 | ex0a | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+installation+tutorial |
| 08:08.16 | babilen | FWL73: That being said: The entire CD/DVD/BD set contains all packages in Debian. You typically only need them if you have no internet connection at all. The installer on all CDs are the same and the images (netinst, CD1, DVD1, ..) simply differ in the number and composition of packages that are contained on them. |
| 08:08.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell FWL73 -about install debian |
| 08:08.25 | krz | FWL73: i would download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso.torrent use pendrivelinux to create a bootable usb and install from there |
| 08:08.32 | *** join/#debian harobed_ (~stephane-@sab57-2-82-236-241-203.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:08.33 | babilen | no |
| 08:08.46 | babilen | krz: Unfortunately that is an outdated version. |
| 08:08.56 | *** join/#debian bst_ (~bst@chello084113221099.3.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 08:09.06 | krz | hm |
| 08:09.24 | babilen | And installing from the Live images is also not optimal |
| 08:09.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell FWL73 -about install xfce |
| 08:09.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell FWL73 -about installer firmware |
| 08:09.45 | krz | so the dvds have an updated version? |
| 08:09.47 | *** join/#debian tacos1de (~tacos1de@gateway/tor-sasl/tacos1de) |
| 08:11.17 | babilen | FWL73: fwiw, I would download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso and firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ -- Then follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg usb install" to copy the image to a USB stick and *unpack* the firmware file you downloaded to the second partition. |
| 08:11.36 | *** join/#debian Fw73 (~androirc@101.62.158.168) |
| 08:11.53 | *** join/#debian Rob__ (~Robert_L@c-76-110-201-132.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 08:12.34 | Fw73 | Guys ii download a debian 7 cd. 64 bit xfce after installation iam unable to use wireless or modem |
| 08:12.37 | babilen | FWL73: If you are able to configure the installer to install XFCE (the bot sent you a factoid that explains how) you can also simply use the netinst installer with firmware from "/msg dpkg firmware image" -- All of these methods are more or less the same and the images simply differ in the composition of packages they contain |
| 08:12.50 | krz | why would the live installation not be optimal though |
| 08:13.39 | Fw73 | And I don't have a wired connection |
| 08:13.39 | babilen | krz: Because our actual installers are much better tested, live CDs also trail behind in releases and the installation procedure from a live CD is much more experimental than from the actual installers. |
| 08:14.27 | krz | babilen: what about the netinst. is that stable? |
| 08:14.29 | babilen | FWL73: ping? |
| 08:14.42 | krz | stable/optimal |
| 08:15.06 | Fw73 | And second thing is that I download amd driver and install but getting a message check version.h file |
| 08:15.07 | babilen | krz: There are netinst installers for our stable release (wheezy), yes. I don't know what you consider optimal. |
| 08:15.43 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.212.120.45) |
| 08:15.52 | krz | babilen: well earlier you said, the live installation is not optimal. would the netinst be optimal, in that same context? |
| 08:15.58 | babilen | Fw73: You typically just have to install matching firmware -- What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? If you cannot easily copy and paste that give me the alphanumerical identifier at the end (looks like [abcd:1234]) |
| 08:16.01 | Deeps | krz: probably more so than the standard isos, as the netinst pull base system packages from repos, rather than using potentially outaged packages from when the full iso was generated |
| 08:16.14 | babilen | krz: yes, the netinst installer are actual "real" installers |
| 08:16.19 | krz | k |
| 08:16.23 | krz | ill try that |
| 08:16.27 | Vsim | fw73 you need to install gcc make and linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 to make the version.h error go away |
| 08:16.33 | Fw73 | Provide link |
| 08:16.42 | krz | thanks for pointing out the issues with the live installer |
| 08:16.44 | Vsim | and I don't think you want to use the 13-4 drivers, looks like they have a memory leak |
| 08:16.48 | babilen | krz: I would use the netinst with firmware (to get around issues like the ones Fw73 is dealing with right now) |
| 08:17.06 | Fw73 | Yaa I try that but version.h error remian |
| 08:17.39 | babilen | Vsim, Fw73: It is *very* rarely needed to compile a "driver" yourself. In most cases it is exactly the wrong approach and will break more than it solves. |
| 08:18.08 | babilen | Fw73: Forget about the version error -- If you need a newer kernel than we can work on that, but *please* give me the information I requested so that I can help you. |
| 08:18.09 | krz | is there a torrent file available for the net installer? |
| 08:18.34 | babilen | krz: the one with firmware? I would be surprised, but it might be ... |
| 08:18.40 | Fw73 | Bablien will u provide a step by step tutorial |
| 08:19.33 | babilen | krz: Actually, no I am not surprised: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/ -- it will almost certainly be faster to download that directly though (iso-cd directory) |
| 08:19.37 | *** part/#debian masoudd (~masoudd@92.50.8.94) |
| 08:20.00 | babilen | Fw73: My name is "babilen" not "Bablien" and I asked you a very simple question. Please answer that and we can take it from there. |
| 08:20.05 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 08:21.32 | krz | babilen: ok lets assume i download the cps at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ is there anyway i can create a bootable usb with these? |
| 08:21.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell krz -about usb install |
| 08:22.09 | Konomi | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ <- the easiest way |
| 08:22.30 | krz | unetbootin requires the live installation |
| 08:22.34 | krz | iso file |
| 08:22.36 | babilen | krz: You essentially just copy the image *directly* to a USB stick. "cp the_image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" does that (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and the device node of your USB stick) |
| 08:22.39 | krz | so does pendrivelinux |
| 08:22.40 | Fw73 | Or better to use universal usb software |
| 08:22.55 | babilen | Konomi: unetbootin is known to break our installers and really shouldn't be recommended |
| 08:23.08 | Konomi | okay it's what I used at the time |
| 08:23.16 | krz | the universal usb software requires the live installation, not the cd iso |
| 08:23.26 | Fw73 | Cause this is small and also work for windows |
| 08:23.36 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 08:23.36 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 08:23.37 | Fw73 | Bootable pendrive |
| 08:24.19 | babilen | Please -- read about the recommended ways to do this for installing Debian before recommending random third-party tools that are either unnecessary or broken |
| 08:24.51 | krz | at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ what are cps 1-8? do i need this if i want to install debian with xfce? |
| 08:25.03 | Fw73 | Babilen try universal usb cause this is effective |
| 08:25.12 | *** join/#debian f4cl3y (~f4cl3y@unaffiliated/f4cl3y) |
| 08:25.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell krz -about install xfce |
| 08:25.53 | krz | Fw73: the problem with the universal usb software is that it only allows installation from the live installer iso. as babilen mentioned, it is not optimal |
| 08:26.11 | babilen | Fw73: Nothing can be more effective/efficient than copying the data directly to the USB. Please don't try me to convince that anything but "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" is easier |
| 08:26.41 | babilen | unetbootin is broken for Debian and will cause you nothing but pain |
| 08:26.49 | *** join/#debian SirLagz (~SirLagz@ppp121-45-235-228.lns20.per1.internode.on.net) |
| 08:26.50 | Deeps | i second the unetbootin causing pain with debian |
| 08:26.56 | krz | so which files here do i need here for xfce? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 08:26.56 | Deeps | i've gone through days of pain thanks to unetbootin |
| 08:26.56 | Fw73 | No I don't think so cause I use many linux os |
| 08:27.03 | Fw73 | (babilen) Please -- read about the recommended ways to do this for installing Debian before recommending random third-party tools that are either unnecessary or broken |
| 08:27.10 | krz | just http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 08:27.25 | Fw73 | I http://universal-usb-installer.m.en.softonic.com/ |
| 08:27.44 | *** join/#debian laite (~laite@h82142.koas.jyu.fi) |
| 08:27.47 | babilen | Fw73: Drop it please, you are not helping. |
| 08:28.02 | *** join/#debian JyZyXEL (~foo@a88-115-46-124.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 08:28.09 | babilen | krz: You can use *every* installer to install XFCE, but the "standard" installer installs Gnome by default. You can easily configure the installer to install every other DE and the bot sent you a message how to configure it to install XFCE. |
| 08:28.13 | Fw73 | Download it from here and make a bootable debian. Bootable pendrive |
| 08:28.42 | babilen | Fw73: It is neither the recommended way nor the easiest nor has it been tested by us... So, lets move on please. |
| 08:28.53 | Fw73 | Don't forget to select unlisted os in choice |
| 08:29.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ |
| 08:29.06 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@101.62.158.168] by babilen |
| 08:29.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen |
| 08:29.06 | Fw73 | Okk |
| 08:29.52 | *** join/#debian lennox (lennox@addaitechnologies.com) |
| 08:30.08 | babilen | Fw73: Please, drop it and try to genuinely help people. There is no reason to keep on talking about an unofficial third-party tool that is completely unrelated to Debian. You should have taken the hint when i asked you to drop it earlier. |
| 08:30.17 | *** join/#debian Vsim (~delirium@adsl-75-26-169-174.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:30.30 | krz | babilen: so cd 1-8 at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ are for gnome 3 right? |
| 08:31.05 | babilen | krz: The reason why I recommend to use the installer image with firmware is that you don't have to download the firmware independently and copy it to the second partition. You can, naturally, download the XFCE installer and the firmware.tar.gz or firmware.zip and extract the latter to the second partition on the USB after you written the installer to it. |
| 08:31.22 | babilen | krz: You do have a working internet connection, don't you? |
| 08:31.23 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 08:31.27 | krz | yeap |
| 08:31.51 | babilen | krz: Forget about the entire sets then. They contain *all* packages in Debian and you will only ever need them if you have no internet connection at all. |
| 08:32.41 | krz | ok then so http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent with cp debian.iso /dev/sdX then sync to create a bootable usb |
| 08:32.45 | krz | sounds good? |
| 08:33.11 | *** join/#debian BlueShark (BlueShark@unaffiliated/blueshark) |
| 08:33.14 | babilen | krz: The installer on all the netinst, CD1, DVD1, BD1, CD1(XFCE), ... images is the same and the images simply differ in the make up of packages they contain. The XFCE/KDE/... variations are simply pre-configured to install the respective desktop environment but you can easily configure that yourself (cf. "/msg dpkg install xfce") |
| 08:33.43 | babilen | krz: The installer can download every package you need during the installation. |
| 08:35.11 | babilen | krz: Yes, either use the installer *with* firmware that I linked earlier and configure it to install XFCE *OR* download the CD1 XFCE image (which probably contains slightly outdated packages by now) and the firmware file from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ -- then write the image to your USB and unpack the firmware.{tar.gz,zip} to the second partition on the then (newly created) USB installer |
| 08:35.32 | Deeps | babilen: your patience is epic |
| 08:36.14 | babilen | Deeps: I think of it as "speed typing practice" ;) |
| 08:37.04 | Deeps | babilen: We have a 2 strike rule at work. Come to me and ask me something twice, no problem. The third time you ask the same thing, the response will be hostile, you will be insulted and belittled, and God help you if you ask a 4th time. |
| 08:37.34 | *** join/#debian jpinx (~jpinx@unaffiliated/jpinx) |
| 08:37.40 | Deeps | Most of the people adhere to this rule, which results in people actually paying attention when they ask something. It's nice :-) |
| 08:37.49 | babilen | +1 |
| 08:37.55 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 08:38.19 | *** join/#debian galex-713 (~galex-713@71.45.142.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 08:40.14 | *** join/#debian iPwnd (~ipwn@bl19-99-212.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 08:40.16 | *** join/#debian lennox (lennox@addaitechnologies.com) |
| 08:40.22 | *** join/#debian sharky (~sharky@g228164202.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:41.11 | *** join/#debian Taggg (~tag@cpe-98-14-226-226.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 08:44.52 | *** join/#debian Jdbye (~jdbye@ti0010a380-dhcp1283.bb.online.no) |
| 08:45.39 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~emmanuel@O085185.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 08:47.40 | *** join/#debian ksuhku (~ksuhku@85-76-122-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 08:49.44 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 08:50.47 | *** join/#debian laite (~laite@h82142.koas.jyu.fi) |
| 08:50.56 | *** join/#debian scootypuff (~barbs@pool-71-170-159-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 08:52.44 | *** join/#debian Fw73 (~androirc@115.244.127.37) |
| 08:53.34 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:54.44 | *** join/#debian ogny (~orkun@78.186.152.96) |
| 08:55.45 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 08:55.47 | *** join/#debian vladuke (~vladuke@178.130.42.7) |
| 08:56.10 | *** join/#debian shikamaru (~shikamaru@mandriva/developer/shikamaru) |
| 08:57.55 | *** join/#debian kitty_nice (~lili@109.106.8.142.sumtel.ua) |
| 08:58.05 | *** join/#debian sileht (~sileht@gizmo.sileht.net) |
| 08:58.49 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 08:58.58 | *** part/#debian kitty_nice (~lili@109.106.8.142.sumtel.ua) |
| 09:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1173] by debhelper |
| 09:01.03 | *** join/#debian pLk (~sherwood@xdsl-188-118-181-8.dip.osnanet.de) |
| 09:01.44 | *** join/#debian hualet_deepin (~user@183.94.20.47) |
| 09:02.37 | *** join/#debian TomyLobo (~TomyLobo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 09:07.24 | *** join/#debian tonyoy (~tonyoy@cor13-3-88-164-147-63.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:08.34 | *** join/#debian serjs (~serjs@79.164.31.179) |
| 09:11.36 | *** join/#debian oberling (~oberling@141.45.146.80) |
| 09:11.47 | *** join/#debian hashashin (~hashashin@unaffiliated/hashashin) |
| 09:12.46 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 09:15.34 | *** join/#debian lukas_ (~lukas@194.228.13.106) |
| 09:16.54 | *** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul) |
| 09:17.12 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 09:18.43 | *** join/#debian aa47f8 (~sdaone@h187n14-far-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 09:19.08 | *** join/#debian catsup (~d@64.111.123.163) |
| 09:19.34 | *** join/#debian balordo (~balordo@host52-32-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 09:19.45 | *** join/#debian mk3548208 (~chatzilla@174.139.240.74) |
| 09:20.58 | *** join/#debian mmc1 (~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 09:21.56 | *** join/#debian gallant (~galant@unaffiliated/dekiss) |
| 09:22.14 | *** join/#debian mcp_ (~mahesh@122.174.215.239) |
| 09:22.25 | *** join/#debian guadix_ (~guadix@142.Red-80-33-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:25.06 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@adsl-184-37-1-18.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 09:25.06 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 09:26.28 | *** join/#debian Niamkik (~Niamkik@s.oci.re) |
| 09:26.42 | *** join/#debian kali_ (~kali@xvm-26-56.ghst.net) |
| 09:28.29 | *** join/#debian intosh (~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl) |
| 09:29.58 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@ppp121-45-229-59.lns20.per1.internode.on.net) |
| 09:29.58 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable) |
| 09:30.37 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 09:35.23 | *** join/#debian Amandil (~Amandil@AToulon-651-1-86-254.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:37.53 | *** join/#debian wildc4rd (~nick@109.176.161.177) |
| 09:37.57 | *** join/#debian w1ldc4rd (~nick@109.176.161.177) |
| 09:38.25 | *** join/#debian Sweetshark (~bjoern@canonical/sweetshark) |
| 09:38.57 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5481D2EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:39.45 | *** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@p4FFF78DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:39.49 | *** join/#debian cadeskywalker (~madoka@put92-2-212-194-144-131.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 09:39.58 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@host-78-144-200-98.as13285.net) |
| 09:40.30 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@unaffiliated/p0bailey) |
| 09:40.33 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 09:41.14 | *** join/#debian Rubemlrm (~Rubemlrm@bl6-220-213.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 09:41.16 | *** join/#debian kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) |
| 09:41.59 | *** join/#debian redarrow_ (~redarrow@gateway/tor-sasl/redarrow) |
| 09:42.59 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 09:43.58 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 09:45.34 | *** join/#debian thorsten_t_ge (~thorsten@p57A7A481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:47.23 | *** join/#debian tremon (~aschuring@d594e6a3.dsl.concepts.nl) |
| 09:47.30 | *** join/#debian [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) |
| 09:48.57 | *** join/#debian marcrs_nb (~marc@77.87.49.2) |
| 09:49.24 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 09:49.33 | *** join/#debian ne0sis (~quassel@41-135-84-215.dsl.mweb.co.za) |
| 09:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1185] by debhelper |
| 09:50.15 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 09:50.57 | *** join/#debian DonRichie (~DonRichie@dslb-088-069-189-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:55.08 | *** join/#debian damentz (~damentz@cpe-66-69-208-122.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 09:58.04 | *** join/#debian Selveste1_Laptop (~hds@31.25.23.230) |
| 09:58.22 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 09:59.44 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 10:00.06 | *** join/#debian mavhc (~mavhc@cpc3-basf10-2-0-cust617.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:01.52 | *** join/#debian tacos1de (~tacos1de@gateway/tor-sasl/tacos1de) |
| 10:02.08 | *** join/#debian RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc5-lutn10-2-0-cust681.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:07.40 | *** join/#debian Mysterytrain (~George@host-44-193-169-209.midco.net) |
| 10:07.42 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@host152-187-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:07.44 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 10:08.29 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 10:09.09 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 10:10.37 | *** join/#debian ksuhku (~ksuhku@85-76-20-11-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 10:10.57 | *** join/#debian ksinny (~quassel@kde/developer/sinnykumari) |
| 10:11.02 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 10:12.06 | *** join/#debian Owner_ (~Owner@gateway/tor-sasl/owner) |
| 10:12.09 | *** join/#debian Seryth (~Matrix@client-86-29-56-56.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:12.09 | *** join/#debian Seryth (~Matrix@unaffiliated/mang0) |
| 10:12.32 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@212-149-213-33.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 10:12.44 | *** part/#debian unclouded (~neil@2001:4428:200:80fc:ec30:e5ed:a8f6:32aa) |
| 10:13.14 | SixtyFold | www.debian.org is the official debian website yah? |
| 10:13.33 | *** join/#debian mactimes_ (~mactimes@itgen.com.br) |
| 10:13.33 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: It is. |
| 10:13.41 | SixtyFold | petn-randall - thanks |
| 10:13.57 | ompaul | petn-randall: :-) and I had TIAS ready |
| 10:14.04 | ompaul | mind you then I thought about it |
| 10:14.31 | SixtyFold | is there a mini iso or iso that you pick what windows manager you want to install to download? |
| 10:14.57 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: Yes, check out the download page. |
| 10:15.48 | SixtyFold | thanks |
| 10:16.04 | *** join/#debian brong_ (~brong@CPE-124-189-176-117.cxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au) |
| 10:17.14 | ompaul | SixtyFold: what you might like to use is the netinstall and wire the computer to the internet during the install |
| 10:17.40 | *** join/#debian nodiscc (~baron@ARennes-556-1-287-14.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:17.41 | SixtyFold | ompaul: ahh okay, ill look into that |
| 10:19.07 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-194-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 10:19.28 | ompaul | SixtyFold: if under options you want something else then don't install a desktop system or any of the options just the base system and build it yourself - note this way is seriously harder than installing the lightest on offer system and then installing very quickly later on a small / light desktop of your choice - that being said if you have 20G or more put to one side *not that you need that* space is just not an issue |
| 10:19.53 | SixtyFold | just plan on installing lxde |
| 10:20.03 | ompaul | it's on the default menu on that |
| 10:20.12 | SixtyFold | cool |
| 10:21.33 | *** join/#debian Kunal (~Prime@triband-mum-120.61.42.69.mtnl.net.in) |
| 10:22.09 | Kunal | how can i open text file through vnc? |
| 10:22.25 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@host-78-144-200-98.as13285.net) |
| 10:22.49 | *** join/#debian redarrow_ (~redarrow@gateway/tor-sasl/redarrow) |
| 10:23.20 | mjt | confusion++ |
| 10:23.33 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@host190-60-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:23.37 | *** join/#debian blommer (~blommer@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:d3c0:ed9b) |
| 10:23.43 | *** join/#debian netrunner_ (~netrunner@2.Red-79-158-84.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:23.48 | *** join/#debian ex-parrot (~ex-parrot@2401:f000:20:0:7256:81ff:fea3:465) |
| 10:24.13 | mjt | it is about the same as asking "how i run a program through dvi?" |
| 10:24.40 | *** join/#debian Coburn (~coburn@nebula.xygenhosting.com) |
| 10:24.47 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 10:24.48 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@host-78-144-200-98.as13285.net) |
| 10:25.19 | *** join/#debian useall (~lb@2001:0:53aa:64c:43f:3231:d1b6:1eeb) |
| 10:25.20 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@unaffiliated/p0bailey) |
| 10:26.22 | Kunal | I am a newbie |
| 10:26.31 | Kunal | so is there any possible way? |
| 10:27.17 | mjt | i _guess_ no, because it simple makes no sense. |
| 10:27.19 | *** join/#debian bitcheker (~bitchecke@dynamic-adsl-62-10-100-173.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 10:27.35 | Kunal | so no way to open text file? D: |
| 10:27.55 | mjt | vnc knows nothing about text files or files in general |
| 10:27.55 | Tordek | Kunal: what you ask makes little sense: vnc is for viewing a screen from a remote machine |
| 10:28.12 | marcusk | You can open a text editor which in turn can open the text file |
| 10:28.15 | stree | dconf editor |
| 10:28.29 | marcusk | How you open a text editor depends on your environment |
| 10:28.55 | mjt | that's why i mentioned dvi - because vnc plays a role similar to a dvi or d-sub cable (together with mouse/keyboard) |
| 10:29.13 | Kunal | ahh kkhmm.. kk |
| 10:29.23 | Kunal | thx anyway |
| 10:29.34 | Tordek | do you want a client to connect to a server and see only a text file? what are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:29.59 | Tordek | I mean, if all you want is to show data, put up a website... |
| 10:30.11 | *** join/#debian ismlages (~ismlages@212.174.109.55) |
| 10:30.22 | ompaul | ssh is the better tool |
| 10:30.39 | Kunal | yea using ssh |
| 10:30.43 | mjt | btw, the term "open" is also quite misleading... ;) |
| 10:30.43 | Kunal | ty again |
| 10:30.51 | *** join/#debian funyun (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 10:30.52 | Kunal | :P |
| 10:32.25 | *** join/#debian KsM (~r@wikipedia/Abb615) |
| 10:33.10 | *** join/#debian amirouche (~amirouche@AMarseille-653-1-5-198.w92-153.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:33.43 | KsM | /bin/sh (dash) doesn't appear to read from /etc/profile when I use it as my shell, instead of bash. according to man pages and some online doc, it looks like it should |
| 10:34.15 | mjt | in order for a shell to read /etc/profile it needs to know it is a login shell |
| 10:34.25 | *** join/#debian ignasio (~ignasio@78-62-33-67.static.zebra.lt) |
| 10:34.52 | mjt | like, if you just run /bin/dash from any other shell, it will not read /etc/profile |
| 10:34.55 | *** join/#debian Clydelin (~clyde@27.151.75.79) |
| 10:35.04 | KsM | oh |
| 10:35.11 | *** join/#debian prienge (mandrix@cm186.epsilon130.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 10:35.21 | mjt | imagine every shell script running /etc/profile ;) |
| 10:35.25 | KsM | Well I'm using it in screen, I'd only done ^a-:shell /bin/sh |
| 10:35.29 | Tordek | I'm having some issues with font rendering in firefox, in case anyone has seen something similar: http://imgur.com/TQP0c3T,8bCCqgl,iDKWcKi#0 the 2nd image is what is rendered; the 3rd is what should be rendered, and the 1st show the diff |
| 10:36.14 | Tordek | FF 22 (experimental), debian jessie |
| 10:36.20 | *** join/#debian SamanthaD (~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 10:36.45 | ompaul | Tordek: the fun part is I get nothing on that link |
| 10:37.01 | mjt | and i see only the diff |
| 10:37.32 | Tordek | mjt: on the top there are 3 links: "first image, ..." |
| 10:37.34 | mjt | ah. got it ;) |
| 10:37.38 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.57 | *** join/#debian ToApolytoXaos (~ToApolyto@46.21.62.128) |
| 10:38.03 | mjt | well, that's anti-aliasing difference |
| 10:38.18 | mjt | why do you think it _should_ render stuff like on 3rd pic/ |
| 10:38.19 | mjt | ? |
| 10:38.24 | KsM | why is it only anti-aliasing some of it though |
| 10:38.28 | *** join/#debian _risibusy (~rb@tjure.netzquadrat.de) |
| 10:38.31 | Tordek | ^ |
| 10:38.31 | KsM | it does seem odd |
| 10:38.55 | Tordek | also, because it "fixes" whenever I select text or lose focus on the window |
| 10:39.21 | *** join/#debian cromag (cromag@irssi/user/cromag) |
| 10:39.45 | mjt | i've seen that countless number of times, it is quite annoying indeed, but i never bothered to find out what's going on, partly because my configuration is a bit unusual (remote display) |
| 10:40.15 | *** join/#debian gpkfr (~gpkfr@78.193.216.73) |
| 10:40.24 | mjt | where did you get the "should" picture? |
| 10:40.28 | Tordek | ompaul: http://picpaste.com/shouldlook.png http://picpaste.com/looks.png http://picpaste.com/diff.png |
| 10:40.31 | *** join/#debian Fw73 (~androirc@101.58.172.103) |
| 10:40.41 | Tordek | mjt: what text, you mean? |
| 10:40.49 | mjt | no, the picture |
| 10:41.05 | mjt | why you say it should look like that? |
| 10:41.11 | Tordek | if I lose focus or select text, it's redrawn |
| 10:41.23 | Tordek | and it loses the extra weight in the antialias |
| 10:41.25 | mjt | ah. and it looks better there. |
| 10:41.46 | mjt | so it's two shots from the same app on the same system, but at different "stages" |
| 10:41.51 | Tordek | yes |
| 10:42.20 | ompaul | so the rendering by 22 is not as good as your other version ... |
| 10:42.30 | ompaul | was clicking between them |
| 10:42.44 | ompaul | the diff is actually a distraction |
| 10:42.52 | Tordek | ompaul: no "other version"; same everything, just that alt-tabbing back and forth fixes it |
| 10:43.04 | Tordek | (but it did work "correctly" up to 21) |
| 10:43.10 | ompaul | Tordek: han on |
| 10:43.13 | ompaul | Tordek: hang on |
| 10:43.17 | *** join/#debian robin__ (~robin@host86-149-241-134.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:43.38 | mjt | i can achieve very similar results by selecting/unselecting text in my terminal |
| 10:43.42 | ompaul | you took the image of should on a "fixed i.e. refreshed" 22? |
| 10:43.55 | Tordek | yes |
| 10:44.12 | ompaul | Tordek: so your machine did not refresh the image quickly enough |
| 10:44.22 | *** join/#debian Kh05p3r (~th3d4rkb4@5.254.134.53) |
| 10:44.31 | ompaul | or paused while refreshing --- file a bug please also |
| 10:44.40 | ompaul | consider this |
| 10:44.48 | ompaul | the speed / ram |
| 10:44.55 | ompaul | of your box are they good? |
| 10:45.16 | Tordek | there's no "quickly enough" involved; if I scroll, it's dawn "ugly" and it stays forever that way unless I make the window lose focus |
| 10:45.18 | mjt | good? how good is good? :) |
| 10:45.18 | *** join/#debian TheAvatar (TheAvatar@crew.eushells.com) |
| 10:45.32 | Tordek | it's 8GB i7 3.2GHz, so... yes it's good |
| 10:45.52 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Amunet@95-89-141-190-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 10:45.57 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Amunet@unaffiliated/bn/x-6686386) |
| 10:46.23 | Tordek | (however... you know what, I haven't tried disabling hw accel, so I'll give that a shot) |
| 10:46.52 | Tordek | nope; disabling is not a fix |
| 10:47.08 | *** join/#debian hyppias (hyppias@5ED002C9.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 10:50.47 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:52.40 | *** join/#debian funyun (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 10:54.04 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 10:55.18 | *** join/#debian TheAvatar (TheAvatar@crew.eushells.com) |
| 10:58.22 | *** join/#debian iViLe (~bob@anon-52-164.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 10:59.18 | *** join/#debian iPwnd (~ipwn@2.80.99.212) |
| 10:59.27 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@233.58.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 11:02.57 | *** join/#debian hashashin (~hashashin@unaffiliated/hashashin) |
| 11:05.29 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:05.43 | *** join/#debian funyun_ (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 11:05.51 | *** join/#debian sobkas (~sobkas@193.106.101.71) |
| 11:06.16 | *** join/#debian SubjectOne (~section1@78-22-166-21.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:06.22 | *** join/#debian mactimes_ (~mactimes@itgen.com.br) |
| 11:07.07 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@icm-39-27.icm.uu.se) |
| 11:13.27 | *** join/#debian computix (~computix@62-47-233-56.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 11:13.33 | *** join/#debian sysrqalt (~brock@c-67-171-178-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 11:14.03 | *** join/#debian dep_ (~marcus@c253-148-70-80.bjare.net) |
| 11:14.21 | *** join/#debian bizarro_1 (~bizarro_1@171.Red-83-49-224.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:14.43 | *** join/#debian lys (~user@cpe-68-173-235-75.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 11:16.37 | *** join/#debian tonyoy (~tonyoy@cor13-3-88-164-147-63.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:16.38 | *** join/#debian destiny (~aero@93.190.3.226) |
| 11:18.20 | *** join/#debian Gerben (~Gerben@5ED7316D.cm-7-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 11:19.13 | *** join/#debian patterson_ (~patterson@c-67-188-24-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 11:19.16 | *** join/#debian LordDeath (~LordDeath@cable-89-0-197-139.netcologne.de) |
| 11:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1193] by debhelper |
| 11:20.19 | *** join/#debian TheAvatar (TheAvatar@crew.eushells.com) |
| 11:20.20 | *** join/#debian KrzPi (~krizze@77.109.224.135) |
| 11:21.30 | *** join/#debian mao (~weechat@81.24.92.197) |
| 11:24.55 | *** join/#debian bnw (~bnw@183.17.173.51) |
| 11:26.03 | *** join/#debian lasers (~lasers@unaffiliated/lasers) |
| 11:28.22 | *** join/#debian badiane (~gdurand@D8FF67fa.cst.lightpath.net) |
| 11:28.35 | *** join/#debian Deele (~Deele@87.226.56.21) |
| 11:30.24 | *** join/#debian serjs (~serjs@79.164.31.179) |
| 11:38.14 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 11:41.11 | *** join/#debian ledestin (~ledestin@119.224.34.17) |
| 11:43.58 | *** join/#debian nikitkoneedhelp (~4ester@relay.informtel.ru) |
| 11:45.28 | *** join/#debian ksinny (~quassel@kde/developer/sinnykumari) |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#debian e-anima (~eanima@p5DD8DA1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:45.55 | *** join/#debian alexei_ (~amgarchin@p4FD60FB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:46.03 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 11:46.23 | *** join/#debian robin__ (~robin@host109-156-85-223.range109-156.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:49.09 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 11:49.26 | *** part/#debian HALEB0B (~HALEB0B@unaffiliated/haleb0b) |
| 11:50.27 | *** join/#debian MaddinXx_ (~racksteri@zux221-111-174.adsl.green.ch) |
| 11:51.15 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-44c53469.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 11:52.24 | ompaul | Tordek: I had to go out ... I'd report that not with the diff but with the fact that it often (*appears to be always) stops rendering the image early. |
| 11:52.31 | *** join/#debian reavengrey (~reavengre@unaffiliated/reavengrey) |
| 11:52.34 | *** join/#debian tonyoy (~tonyoy@92.243.11.103) |
| 11:52.58 | ompaul | Tordek: it appears to be that the rendering stops early. |
| 11:53.45 | Tordek | ompaul: ok... though now I'm testing it safe-mode and it seems to not be doing it |
| 11:54.10 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 11:54.33 | ompaul | then I'd say remove your addons one at a time and see if it exists outside safe mode |
| 11:54.38 | ompaul | maybe that's the issue |
| 11:54.48 | *** join/#debian jmcnaught (~jeremy@76.10.173.134) |
| 11:55.22 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 11:55.52 | SamanthaD | I want to use `apt-get -b source foo` to install foo from the testing repos on my stable machine. What is the recommended way to track when a new version of foo enters the testing repositories? |
| 11:55.56 | *** join/#debian cba321 (~gotit@108-73-177-10.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 11:57.27 | *** join/#debian mk3548208 (~chatzilla@183.148.35.163) |
| 11:57.39 | cba321 | well whats new today |
| 11:58.09 | ompaul | !offtopic |
| 11:58.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:58.14 | cba321 | same old crap here: no timidity ,no libreoffice |
| 11:58.45 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 12:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1199] by debhelper |
| 12:00.12 | *** join/#debian xpd259 (~Icedove@anon-40-49.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 12:00.41 | *** join/#debian bst_ (~bst@chello084113221099.3.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 12:01.02 | *** join/#debian aroundthfur (~koinoyoka@host-124-93.panorama.sth.ac.at) |
| 12:01.28 | ompaul | SamanthaD: check your version against apt-cache policy and if it's newer then go grab it, however I think the best way to track that is to do cron job of apt-cache and if the logic says new package then run something like export DISPLAY=:0 && zenity --info --text "Olá you got a new version!" |
| 12:02.23 | *** join/#debian amphorion (~sascha@p549BA92D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:02.51 | *** join/#debian dvs (~colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 12:03.24 | *** join/#debian patriick (patrick@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-mppevxvwxijlsabp) |
| 12:03.29 | *** part/#debian patriick (patrick@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-mppevxvwxijlsabp) |
| 12:03.29 | ompaul | SamanthaD: btw the ! is illegal in there without an escape, but you knew that already |
| 12:03.33 | SamanthaD | ompaul: Hmm... the problem is I'm pulling the sources from testing on a stable machine. `apt-cache policy foo` shows the stable version as I only have the deb-src lines for jessie in my sources.list |
| 12:04.03 | ompaul | apt-cache -t not tell you anything different? |
| 12:04.09 | *** join/#debian asterismo (~asterismo@r190-135-135-31.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 12:04.17 | *** join/#debian TheAvatar (TheAvatar@crew.eushells.com) |
| 12:05.10 | ompaul | you may need to add more repos but pin them etc etc etc |
| 12:05.34 | *** join/#debian Walzmyn (~quassel@75.117.36.101) |
| 12:05.39 | *** join/#debian Droolio (~drool@host86-177-53-93.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:05.55 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 12:06.27 | SamanthaD | ompaul: you mean `apt-cache -t jessie policy foo`? |
| 12:07.09 | SamanthaD | ompaul: it's not working at all... I think I'm going to have to add the binary repos and write a pin to make it work correctly. Moment... |
| 12:08.14 | cba321 | well they can't say we are all not trying to use that systemd stuff and stay off of SCO's crap |
| 12:08.25 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 12:08.38 | abrotman | cba321: again, do you need help with Debian? This is getting old |
| 12:09.10 | *** join/#debian x-treme (~x-treme@unaffiliated/x-treme) |
| 12:09.20 | cba321 | abrotman..no not yet...i still have not really run into problems that debian can solve or that would be considered a debian-alone problem |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | cba321: again, please stay on-topic |
| 12:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1205] by debhelper |
| 12:12.49 | SamanthaD | ompaul: Thanks for your help. I'll go and write myself a little script and have it run DPkg::Post-Invoke |
| 12:13.03 | Rikairchy | #plebian |
| 12:13.20 | *** part/#debian cba321 (~gotit@108-73-177-10.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 12:13.34 | SamanthaD | ompaul: actually... bad idea... I'll alias apt-cache to this script and have the script call the REAL apt-cache |
| 12:13.37 | *** join/#debian superjet_busy (~superjet@wikimedia/Crewlay) |
| 12:14.01 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 12:14.08 | *** join/#debian xJaM (~xJaM@cpe-62-84-230-80.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 12:15.10 | Rikairchy | sneezes |
| 12:15.12 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 12:15.25 | ompaul | Rikairchy: that's not a debian related point afik |
| 12:17.53 | *** join/#debian adellam (~adellam@pdpc/supporter/active/adellam) |
| 12:19.00 | *** join/#debian xJaM_ (~xJaM@cpe-46-164-4-188.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 12:19.09 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:19.56 | SamanthaD | I thought a pin priority of 0 meant "never, ever install from this repository unless explicitly told to do so" but now apt is complaining! |
| 12:21.02 | tremon | SamanthaD: use a negative priority |
| 12:21.22 | tremon | I'd just set apt::default-release in such cases though |
| 12:22.00 | *** join/#debian sim__ (~Icedove@evr91-1-82-227-12-249.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:22.07 | SamanthaD | tremon: like -1 then? So... if I do that it won't install from that repository without a -t flag or a foo/jessie deal even if that is literally the only place that package can be found? |
| 12:22.10 | ompaul | http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences |
| 12:22.28 | *** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157) |
| 12:22.44 | *** join/#debian Omnibrain (~Omnibrain@unaffiliated/omnibrain) |
| 12:22.51 | ompaul | it's a bloody good explanation |
| 12:23.08 | SamanthaD | ah, yes, thanks. That answers my questions |
| 12:23.17 | SamanthaD | nevermind tremon. Thanks for your help! |
| 12:24.58 | *** join/#debian aCovaTelmos (~morcego-h@136.51.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 12:26.05 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:27.04 | *** join/#debian Dr_Frankenstein (~monster@46.115.40.227) |
| 12:27.07 | *** join/#debian Chat0384 (~Chat0384@app8.chatmosphere.org) |
| 12:27.08 | *** join/#debian ZIPY (~quassel@unaffiliated/zipy) |
| 12:27.37 | *** part/#debian Dr_Frankenstein (~monster@46.115.40.227) |
| 12:27.47 | babilen | SamanthaD: fwiw, you shouldn't mix stable with testing or unstable. The sensible thing to do is either: 1. Use official backports or backport stuff yourself (cf. <ssb> <backports>) 2. Track testing 3. Track unstable (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 12:28.33 | *** join/#debian dancus (~dancus@dynamic-adsl-94-34-178-120.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 12:28.36 | dancus | hi |
| 12:29.09 | SamanthaD | babilen: I know... what I'm tying to do is get apt-cache to report the latest version of a package in testing so that I can pull it and backport it manually if its newer than the version I've installed. |
| 12:29.17 | SamanthaD | babilen: Why? is there a better way to do it? |
| 12:29.40 | Deeps | babilen: what's the implication if i've done an ssb, but without enabling backports? ie, enabled sid for deb-src, done a builddep and then and apt-get -b source on the package i want to backport? |
| 12:30.40 | *** join/#debian lduros (~user@fsf/member/lduros) |
| 12:30.51 | *** part/#debian SixtyFold (~Absinthe@206.72.198.6) |
| 12:31.02 | babilen | Deeps: You simply aren't able to pick (additional) build-depends from wheezy-backports - If all build-depends can be satisfied in stable already that's no problem |
| 12:31.13 | babilen | SamanthaD: You might want to look into apt-src |
| 12:31.15 | *** join/#debian SenK9 (~SenDog@60-242-134-23.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 12:31.31 | Deeps | babilen: ah, good stuff. not done myself any damage at least then |
| 12:31.45 | Deeps | babilen: (had to backport e2fsprogs from sid to wheezy to be able to resize2fs) |
| 12:31.51 | SamanthaD | babilen: Ah, thanks! |
| 12:32.01 | *** join/#debian b_52globe (~b_52globe@41.249.36.173) |
| 12:32.10 | *** join/#debian adminix (~pasutisu@pon192-102.kcn.ne.jp) |
| 12:32.13 | *** join/#debian Kunal (~Prime@triband-mum-120.61.42.69.mtnl.net.in) |
| 12:32.27 | Kunal | how can i add user to vnc ? |
| 12:32.29 | babilen | SamanthaD: But that won't constitute a auto-backport service as well. If you want that you'll have to program that yourself, but negative/weird pinning like what you are doing is the wrong way to go about this. Take a look at rmadison or download the release files manually rather than "officially" tracking the releases in question. |
| 12:32.57 | *** join/#debian Nexen (~Nexen@AClermont-Ferrand-753-1-33-78.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:33.52 | *** join/#debian Aramur (~arare@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:33.54 | babilen | Deeps: No, just assume that a package you want to backport depends on libfoo 1.6 while stable only has libfoo 1.4 - You would then have to to backport libfoo 1.6 yourself. If there is already an official backport you simply don't have to do that. Our bots (cf. http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/#judd-builddep ) assume that you have it enabled. |
| 12:34.15 | *** join/#debian mk2 (~mk2@173.245.217.170) |
| 12:35.04 | Deeps | gotcha |
| 12:35.56 | *** part/#debian adminix (~pasutisu@pon192-102.kcn.ne.jp) |
| 12:36.09 | *** join/#debian xJaM (~xJaM@cpe-46-164-4-188.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 12:36.14 | *** join/#debian ZIPY (~quassel@dslb-088-078-092-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:37.04 | *** join/#debian batmite (~batmite1@unaffiliated/batmite) |
| 12:37.28 | *** join/#debian gumble (~gumble@gtng-4d08a931.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:37.34 | *** join/#debian sascha_ (~sascha@p549B9AD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:38.13 | *** join/#debian Actreka_ (~Actreka@180.84-48-48.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:38.42 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 12:38.43 | gumble | hey, can someone explain me what /etc/hosts does? can I have to different names for 127.0.0.1? because localhost is already set there, but I am getting some "sudo: unable to resolve host" stuff, and would like to have "127.0.0.1 thinky" too, because I read that would solve the problem |
| 12:39.01 | *** join/#debian bnw (~bnw@183.17.173.51) |
| 12:39.04 | *** join/#debian anao2 (~thomas@p54A54004.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:39.17 | nkuttler | gumble: man 5 hosts |
| 12:39.33 | *** join/#debian ZIPY (~quassel@dslb-088-078-092-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:40.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1215] by debhelper |
| 12:40.34 | gumble | nkuttler, thanks |
| 12:44.54 | *** join/#debian ee2455 (~ee2455@unaffiliated/ee2455) |
| 12:45.15 | *** part/#debian anao2 (~thomas@p54A54004.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:46.37 | *** join/#debian LordDeath|OSX (~LordDeath@cable-89-0-197-139.netcologne.de) |
| 12:48.27 | *** join/#debian SixtyFold (~Absinthe@206.72.198.6) |
| 12:48.48 | gumble | do I understand right that 127.0.0.1 thinky localhost would work for me? |
| 12:49.10 | *** join/#debian ideea (~textual@balticom-142-64-121.balticom.lv) |
| 12:49.12 | *** join/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 12:49.21 | ideea | hi, help me, how to update php 5.2 to php 5.3 on lenny?: < |
| 12:49.44 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 12:50.35 | *** join/#debian w1ldc4rd (~nick@109.176.161.177) |
| 12:50.57 | abrotman | ideea: why are you still using lenny? |
| 12:51.29 | ideea | abrotman, im not. but site's server is and i need to upgrade php on it for some time, then i will move to newer version of debian |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | ideea: there isn't a good way to do what you're asking |
| 12:52.06 | mumpitzel | ideea: just upgrade to squeeze right now. less pain |
| 12:52.06 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 12:52.19 | abrotman | ideea: i mean, lenny hasn't had security updates for quite some time |
| 12:52.32 | ideea | if i will just upgrade, i think, something will broke |
| 12:52.58 | abrotman | ideea: if you odn't upgrade, your server will no longer get security updates, and will end up compromised at some point |
| 12:53.25 | *** join/#debian goldkatze (~nobody@unaffiliated/goldkatze) |
| 12:53.32 | *** part/#debian Kunal (~Prime@triband-mum-120.61.42.69.mtnl.net.in) |
| 12:53.53 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@pdpc/supporter/active/quinput) |
| 12:54.38 | Tordek | welp, ompaul, I tested it for a long while in safe-mode, and it eventually resurfaced. I've reported a bug to the mailing list, now. Thanks for the help, guys |
| 12:54.49 | *** join/#debian dD (~daniel@187-162-80-62.static.axtel.net) |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | ideea: Debian goes through a lot of effort to try to ensure things don't break during upgrades like that |
| 12:55.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ideea about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:55.27 | dD | How can I set the environment variables for the GUI? When using emacs, it seems to only get them from /etc/profile but other places are ignored. |
| 12:56.05 | dD | For GNOME |
| 12:56.22 | *** join/#debian arare (~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 12:57.37 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 12:59.03 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 12:59.10 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (~tetsuja@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:59.11 | *** join/#debian neon (~neon@bzq-79-181-171-74.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:59.59 | *** join/#debian R1kz (~ferty@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:00.17 | Guest38802 | ALSA lib conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so |
| 13:01.31 | *** join/#debian zoro (671a3669@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.26.54.105) |
| 13:01.58 | zoro | anybody there |
| 13:02.04 | mumpitzel | Guest38802: libasound2-plugins installed? |
| 13:02.54 | zoro | im new to debian and cant install .deb files |
| 13:03.18 | Guest38802 | mumpitzel, yes |
| 13:03.29 | dvs | zoro: why are you installeding deb files when you have apt-get? |
| 13:03.37 | *** join/#debian AsumFace (~asumface@31-17-32-113-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 13:03.43 | zoro | apt get also not working |
| 13:03.43 | apt | ACTION fetches also not working |
| 13:04.09 | mumpitzel | !tell zoro about doesn't work |
| 13:04.20 | mumpitzel | zoro: pastebin the command you run and its full output into a pastebin |
| 13:05.09 | abrotman | and sources.list |
| 13:05.22 | Guest38802 | maybe I need a i386 version too? |
| 13:05.46 | *** part/#debian ferty (~ferty@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:06.21 | *** join/#debian zoro (671a3669@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.26.54.105) |
| 13:06.38 | *** join/#debian wildc4rd (~nick@109.176.161.177) |
| 13:06.49 | *** join/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:07.15 | zoro | sorry about that but i cant |
| 13:07.16 | *** part/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:07.35 | *** join/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | why not? |
| 13:08.04 | *** join/#debian Kh05p3r (~th3d4rkb4@5.254.134.53) |
| 13:08.15 | zoro | well, when i type apt get **** it says that command not found or reconized type of some stuff |
| 13:08.18 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus) |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | the command is "apt-get" or "aptitude" |
| 13:08.42 | *** join/#debian thorsten_t_ge (~thorsten@p57A7A481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:08.45 | *** join/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 13:08.45 | zoro | ya ofcouse |
| 13:08.59 | *** part/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:09.07 | zoro | i jsut cpoy paste it so dont worry abot syntax |
| 13:09.26 | mumpitzel | there is nothing you could have pasted so far. |
| 13:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1222] by debhelper |
| 13:10.22 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 13:10.43 | mumpitzel | please pastebin the output of "echo $PATH;ls -l /usr/bin/apt*;dpkg -l libc6|tail -1;cat /etc/apt/sources.list" then instead |
| 13:12.36 | zoro | for that i have to switch to debain because im on dual boot |
| 13:12.47 | zoro | i will come back |
| 13:12.48 | mumpitzel | then do it |
| 13:13.03 | dvs | no DE? |
| 13:13.42 | *** join/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:14.12 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 13:16.19 | *** join/#debian neogliss174 (~neogliss@78.250.144.252) |
| 13:16.44 | Guest38802 | ALSA lib pcm.c:7832:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred |
| 13:16.44 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 13:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you failed him... asking questions instead of giving a magic answer :) To whatever it was |
| 13:17.45 | *** join/#debian galex-713 (~galex-713@71.45.142.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 13:18.43 | *** join/#debian prienge (~mandrix@cm186.epsilon130.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 13:18.43 | Guest38802 | mumpitzel, the problem was indeed not having i386 version of libasound2-plugins:i386 |
| 13:18.49 | Guest38802 | mumpitzel, thanks |
| 13:19.08 | Guest38802 | mumpitzel, now I have a underrun problem ^ and the sound sound like a fart |
| 13:20.24 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 13:20.37 | *** join/#debian ricx (~ricx@98.Red-79-151-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:21.44 | *** join/#debian Xiti (~Xiti-@c-71-63-111-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 13:22.33 | *** join/#debian [olli] (~olli@olli.static.corbina.ru) |
| 13:23.17 | *** join/#debian iCarly (~thomas@p5B09D291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:24.02 | *** join/#debian reavengrey (~reavengre@unaffiliated/reavengrey) |
| 13:26.52 | *** join/#debian teonat (UNi@5.9.67.238) |
| 13:29.09 | *** join/#debian grandie (~Grandad@p57ACFD22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:30.29 | mirak | tremon, i needed to regenerate the core.img |
| 13:30.33 | *** join/#debian frank (~frank@118.186.200.116) |
| 13:30.45 | mirak | I had to do a grub-install /dev/null |
| 13:31.47 | tremon | ok, thx. Glad you got it sorted out :) |
| 13:32.23 | Nothing4You | hey there, i'm trying to get sun jre7 installed on a friends wheezy vserver so he can run a minecraft server. i just noticed sun jre is gone from the non-free repos and i found http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . when i try generating a .deb this way all output i get is http://ix.io/6Uk |
| 13:32.55 | *** join/#debian zoplrdb (~NA@unaffiliated/zoplrdb) |
| 13:33.35 | *** join/#debian trifolio6 (~h@62.43.62.203.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 13:35.23 | tremon | did you download the oracle jre first? |
| 13:36.19 | tremon | server-jre-* doesn't seem like a typical oracle filename |
| 13:36.50 | Nothing4You | tremon: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/server-jre7-downloads-1931105.html |
| 13:37.05 | tremon | ok I stand corrected :) |
| 13:37.31 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 13:38.16 | *** join/#debian rbckman (~rob@84-231-66-126.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 13:39.05 | tremon | only thing I can think is that oracle changed its packaging yet again, and make-jpkg hasn't been updated. |
| 13:39.26 | SixtyFold | why when i do sudo apt-get upgrade it does some but the GUI updater will still find more updates to the OS too? am I missing a command to do updates/upgrades only in CLI? |
| 13:39.30 | tremon | can you run bash -x `which make-jpkg` server-jre-... ? |
| 13:40.15 | Nothing4You | sure |
| 13:40.50 | Nothing4You | tremon: http://ix.io/6Ul |
| 13:41.07 | *** join/#debian Bronze (~Mark@unaffiliated/bronze) |
| 13:41.47 | tremon | SixtyFold: synaptic runs a dist-upgrade by default iirc. are you running testing? |
| 13:42.03 | Nothing4You | tremon: http://ix.io/6Um |
| 13:42.15 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 13:42.15 | *** join/#debian FWL73 (~androirc@117.228.180.81) |
| 13:42.28 | *** join/#debian milo64 (~suttiwit@node-3gf.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net) |
| 13:42.32 | marcrs_nb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.57 | SixtyFold | tremon - no i just want to be able to do security/program updates in the CLI only, am I doing it wrong? |
| 13:43.30 | tremon | SixtyFold: please paste the output of apt-cache policy and apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 13:43.49 | FWL73 | Guys how to configure config file in this lin. |
| 13:43.55 | FWL73 | Link http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 13:43.59 | FWL73 | Pls help |
| 13:44.04 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 13:44.43 | Nothing4You | SixtyFold: apt-get is not gui? |
| 13:45.02 | mumpitzel | FWL73: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure |
| 13:45.12 | Nothing4You | apt-get already is plain cli |
| 13:45.21 | SixtyFold | right |
| 13:45.27 | SixtyFold | im not sure you guys understand what im saying |
| 13:45.56 | mumpitzel | SixtyFold: what is the output of your apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:46.18 | SixtyFold | im just trying to do general weekly updates in the command line instead of using software-updater in system tools |
| 13:46.19 | *** join/#debian Daenerys (~nodebot@149.210.134.199) |
| 13:46.30 | tremon | Nothing4You: well that doesn't help much, the script is not detecting any oracle jre in the archive. But we already guessed that :) |
| 13:46.38 | SixtyFold | mumpitzel - the output was 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded |
| 13:46.41 | Nothing4You | tremon: yeah :( |
| 13:46.42 | mumpitzel | ,v make-jpkg |
| 13:46.43 | judd | No package named 'make-jpkg' was found in i386. |
| 13:46.45 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 13:46.48 | *** join/#debian Xanthor (~Xanthor@ip-173.net-81-220-233.bruay.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 13:46.54 | tremon | ,v java-package |
| 13:46.55 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; jessie/contrib: 0.52; sid/contrib: 0.52 |
| 13:46.58 | FWL73 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.59 | Th0masR0ss | SixtyFold: /msg dpkg point release; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy; /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 13:47.06 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@95.235.210.222) |
| 13:47.08 | mumpitzel | ,depends java-package jessie |
| 13:47.09 | judd | Package java-package in jessie/i386 -- depends: debhelper, fakeroot, unzip, libx11-6, libasound2. |
| 13:47.21 | FWL73 | What to add in that line or how |
| 13:47.38 | Th0masR0ss | SixtyFold: upgrade packages: aptitude update |
| 13:47.41 | mumpitzel | if wheezy java package doesn't work, try the one from jessie: higher version could mean it already got the updates needed. dependencies look fine to run under wheezy |
| 13:47.55 | mumpitzel | FWL73: read the link I gave you. it clearly shows you |
| 13:47.59 | SixtyFold | Th0masR0ss - thanks |
| 13:48.02 | Th0masR0ss | SixtyFold: upgrade system: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:48.14 | Nothing4You | SixtyFold: first `apt-get update` to update package lists, then `apt-get upgrade` to upgrade your stuff and everything is fine. system upgrade as Th0masR0ss said |
| 13:48.30 | *** join/#debian gusnan (~gusnan@81-230-126-193-no160.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 13:48.42 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~thingfish@72.133.229.237) |
| 13:48.56 | mumpitzel | for "general weekly updates", this is wrong what you are advising SixtyFold |
| 13:49.12 | mumpitzel | a dist-upgrade is not a general weekly update by far |
| 13:49.50 | mumpitzel | FWL73: PMing unasked will put you on my ignore list, not get any answers |
| 13:50.06 | mumpitzel | FWL73: capisce "dude"? |
| 13:50.43 | FWL73 | pls help |
| 13:50.59 | mumpitzel | I already did help |
| 13:51.31 | FWL73 | I past above lines and re start my pc |
| 13:51.39 | mumpitzel | FWL73: there are the exact commands to run there to get what you need. I can't do anything else than write them down here which is a waste of time |
| 13:51.42 | FWL73 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.06 | tremon | Nothing4You: I've found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685075, but no solution. if you try it with the normal (non-server) package and it works, you may want to file a bug |
| 13:53.33 | *** join/#debian nullPointer (~null@5.120.33.171) |
| 13:54.15 | *** join/#debian Shadow` (~BOOYEA@5ED7BD2B.cm-7-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 13:54.37 | *** part/#debian nullPointer (~null@5.120.33.171) |
| 13:54.51 | Nothing4You | tremon: i just tested on my own debian testing machine |
| 13:55.01 | Nothing4You | and it seems that the newer version supports jre7 |
| 13:55.13 | *** join/#debian shingouz (~doowop@85-76-109-116-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 13:55.52 | Nothing4You | 0.50 doesn't support it while 0.52 does |
| 13:56.21 | Nothing4You | it should be possible to generate a .deb from a debian testing for a debian wheezy and copy it over, right? |
| 13:56.46 | Nothing4You | oh lol |
| 13:56.52 | Nothing4You | it doesn't work |
| 13:56.58 | Nothing4You | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 13:56.58 | mumpitzel | Nothing4You: not in this case. no need. please check the depends I did above on it |
| 13:57.00 | Nothing4You | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 13:57.02 | Nothing4You | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 13:57.23 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@95.234.182.120) |
| 13:57.26 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 13:57.29 | mumpitzel | you can simply install the java-package from jessie in wheezy |
| 13:57.33 | *** join/#debian zoro (671a3637@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.26.54.55) |
| 13:57.47 | *** join/#debian matanya (~matanya@wikimedia/matanya) |
| 13:58.31 | *** join/#debian jehan (~jehan@kiel4-dmz.gis.de) |
| 13:59.26 | Nothing4You | i hate these hosting providers not providing a debian mirror for their customers |
| 13:59.38 | zoro | i cant install vlc via apt-get install vlc |
| 14:00.01 | tremon | Nothing4You: what's the version of java-package on your machine? According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597294, 0.50-nmu2 should already work fine |
| 14:00.13 | Nothing4You | it's 0.50-nmu2 |
| 14:00.39 | zoro | i cant install vlc via apt-get install vlc |
| 14:00.53 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 14:01.09 | mumpitzel | zoro: pastebin the full output of your apt-get command to a pastebin |
| 14:01.19 | dvs | again |
| 14:02.21 | mumpitzel | zoro: and the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
| 14:02.51 | Nothing4You | ok, installed jessie java-package and it works |
| 14:03.43 | Nothing4You | i just noticed that that crappy sun website didn't let me download the .tar.gz via curl |
| 14:03.51 | Nothing4You | which explains the gzip / tar eror |
| 14:03.53 | Nothing4You | *error |
| 14:04.02 | *** join/#debian darxun (darxun@has.never.ever.been.afraid.org) |
| 14:04.10 | zoro | apt get http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xBwZjT2x |
| 14:04.10 | apt | ACTION fetches http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xBwZjT2x |
| 14:04.24 | zoro | mumpitzel> |
| 14:04.43 | dvs | zoro: are you running it as root? |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | zoro: pastebin "dpkg -l libc6 ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list " |
| 14:05.11 | zoro | yes |
| 14:06.14 | zoro | content of /etc/apt/sources.list http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EjU8PyaY |
| 14:06.18 | zoro | <mumpitzel> |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | that explains part of the problem |
| 14:06.42 | dvs | zoro: There no main repo in your sources.list |
| 14:07.38 | mumpitzel | !tell zoro about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:07.54 | zoro | <abrotman> dpkg -l libc6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aMBWZFEZ |
| 14:09.20 | *** join/#debian Pikudoz (~Pikonas@190.235.229.94) |
| 14:09.22 | zoro | <dvs> how to add them |
| 14:09.31 | dvs | zoro: dpkg just told you |
| 14:11.21 | zoro | <dvs> i cant get u |
| 14:11.55 | Nothing4You | zoro: you might want to address people by using "nick: message" instead of "<nick> message" instead |
| 14:12.03 | Nothing4You | otherwise it looks like you'd be quoting them |
| 14:12.16 | dvs | zoro: dpkg just sent you a PM with the lines to set your sources.list to. |
| 14:12.24 | zoro | nxt time |
| 14:14.14 | abrotman | zoro: there is a #debian-in for folks from India on irc.oftc.net if that would be easier for you |
| 14:14.44 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 14:14.59 | *** join/#debian _Coffeeman (~Paul@p4FD95B31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:15.32 | zoro | http://http.debian.net/debian/ says file not found |
| 14:15.36 | zoro | dvs: |
| 14:15.49 | dvs | ... |
| 14:16.18 | zoro | dvs: http://http.debian.net/debian/ says file not found |
| 14:16.23 | *** join/#debian hellspy (~chatzilla@187.120.47.43) |
| 14:16.46 | zoro | mumpitzel: can u help |
| 14:17.22 | mumpitzel | zoro: paste your sources.list again how it is now that you have edited it. |
| 14:17.41 | dvs | he didn't edit it. |
| 14:17.46 | zoro | i have not |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | he needs to |
| 14:18.02 | zoro | i cant because there is no text editor installed |
| 14:18.08 | dvs | that's what I'm (and dpkg) said |
| 14:18.17 | *** join/#debian vrkalak (~vrkalak@108.103.107.16) |
| 14:18.30 | *** join/#debian grobda24 (~djbarney@silentflame/member/grobda24) |
| 14:19.25 | dvs | baloney |
| 14:19.34 | zoro | guys im novice , tell me exactly what to do |
| 14:19.41 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 14:20.05 | *** join/#debian xgoo (~xgoo@114.79.17.12) |
| 14:20.46 | zoro | dvs: guys im novice , tell me exactly what to do |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | the bot already did |
| 14:21.03 | mumpitzel | !wheezy sources.list |
| 14:21.03 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:21.14 | mumpitzel | it clearly tells you what to put into the sources list |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | the stuff in the quotes .. |
| 14:21.34 | mumpitzel | zoro: you can use the program "nano" for a text editor |
| 14:22.03 | dvs | zoro: echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; echo ""deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" >> /etc/apt/sources/list; echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:22.03 | *** join/#debian mahac (~mar@p5B3018D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:22.12 | dvs | that, EXACTLY! |
| 14:22.14 | *** join/#debian destiny (~aero@93.190.3.226) |
| 14:22.19 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@108.60.249.217) |
| 14:22.27 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 14:22.29 | *** join/#debian bars0 (~Name@src73-26.sarmacka.net) |
| 14:22.56 | dvs | (except for that double double quote) |
| 14:23.09 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~emmanuel@O085185.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 14:23.21 | zoro | ya ofcouse |
| 14:23.25 | dvs | zoro: echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; echo "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" >> /etc/apt/sources/list; echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:23.42 | *** join/#debian Clydelin (~clyde@27.151.75.79) |
| 14:24.10 | *** join/#debian zombie_ (~zombie@123.138.79.27) |
| 14:25.46 | zoro | dvs: i copy pasted everything in terminal |
| 14:25.57 | zoro | its blinks > |
| 14:26.23 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@174.32.161.73) |
| 14:26.29 | dvs | zoro: Then pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list now |
| 14:27.28 | zoro | dvs: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main |
| 14:27.52 | zoro | dvs: those were the contents |
| 14:28.25 | dvs | That's not right but it's a start. |
| 14:28.48 | dvs | you do realize that should be one line. |
| 14:29.00 | *** join/#debian scott_ (~scott@96-42-2-33.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) |
| 14:29.15 | zoro | dvs: exactly said its one line |
| 14:29.37 | dvs | zoro: Then run "apt-get update" |
| 14:29.50 | *** join/#debian DrOwl (~drowl@n36l.23.me.uk) |
| 14:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1232] by debhelper |
| 14:30.37 | *** join/#debian Interruptus (~Interrupt@46-116-107-74.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 14:30.57 | *** join/#debian Mac101 (~Mac@host86-140-56-187.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:31.11 | zoro | dvs: apt-get update says http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=69x8xZWy |
| 14:32.20 | zoro | dvs: apt-get update says http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=69x8xZWy is it done? |
| 14:32.25 | Guest38802 | ? anyone knows how to solve this sound underrun problem - ALSA lib pcm.c:7832:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred |
| 14:33.48 | dvs | zoro: Try to install vlc and see |
| 14:34.02 | *** join/#debian lur_ (~lur@81-237-214-152-no10.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 14:34.02 | mumpitzel | zoro: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 please |
| 14:34.11 | mumpitzel | dvs: it cannot work for obvious reasons |
| 14:34.40 | *** join/#debian weblog (~weblog@123.138.79.27) |
| 14:34.55 | *** join/#debian mechanicalduck (~mechanica@37-1-160-200.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 14:35.07 | zoro | dvs: tried installation http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SfM636kk |
| 14:35.25 | mumpitzel | zoro: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 please |
| 14:35.55 | dvs | mumpitzel: he already did: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aMBWZFEZ |
| 14:36.26 | zoro | <mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vEtX9WFK |
| 14:36.29 | mumpitzel | then why is apt trying to access "packages" and not "Packages.gz" as it should? |
| 14:36.50 | *** join/#debian kain88 (~kain88@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de) |
| 14:37.15 | *** join/#debian gm152 (~ridout@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 14:38.24 | zoro | mumpitzel: its not done |
| 14:38.32 | zoro | dvs: not done |
| 14:38.38 | mumpitzel | zoro: we know that |
| 14:39.10 | *** join/#debian krzkrz (~foo@49.144.36.77) |
| 14:39.29 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 14:39.46 | dvs | zoro: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
| 14:39.48 | *** join/#debian nocoast (~quassel@2607:f3f0:2::cf34:f2b0) |
| 14:40.05 | krzkrz | im reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en im on ubuntu. sudo mount /media/christian/USB /mnt returns: is not a block device |
| 14:40.11 | krzkrz | anyone know what to do? |
| 14:41.00 | zoro | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c0a4Z6pw |
| 14:41.05 | zoro | dvs: |
| 14:41.21 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: sudo fdisk -l should show you your usb device |
| 14:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitzel, looks like it expects the server to unpack it from Packages.gz and the server says it's not implemented |
| 14:42.28 | tremon | krzkrz: what are you trying to do? mounting is making the contents of a device available in your filesystem, so giving mount to parts of your filesystem isn't normally done |
| 14:42.31 | mumpitzel | CutMeOwnThroat: why would it do that instead of unpacking it locally and preserving traffic? |
| 14:43.07 | *** join/#debian neoplus (~smuxi@223.206.22.110) |
| 14:43.28 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: http://pastie.org/8183760 |
| 14:43.55 | krzkrz | tremon: im following the instructions to create a 2nd partition on the usb drive for the firmware |
| 14:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | asking "why would it do that" of a program is... but anyway, that's what it looks like what's happening |
| 14:44.39 | dvs | zoro: Try "aptitude update" |
| 14:44.50 | dvs | worth a shot |
| 14:44.57 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: mount /dev/sdb1 <mountpoint> but why would you want to mount it. what for? |
| 14:45.21 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: you do not mount it to create a partition. you can't mount it to do that even |
| 14:45.34 | mumpitzel | !tell krzkrz about firmware image |
| 14:45.42 | *** join/#debian Soru (~quassel@27.Red-88-12-103.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:45.46 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: the installation instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en says i should |
| 14:45.54 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: download the image with firmware included. no need to do then all this |
| 14:46.03 | *** join/#debian gm152 (~ridout@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 14:46.13 | *** join/#debian jstnc (jstnc@nat/rackspace/x-xgqecmyhqbfkgwsz) |
| 14:46.14 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: where exactly does it say that? exact chapter number please |
| 14:46.35 | tremon | krzkrz: you're mixing up some concepts I'm afraid. Partitioning is done outside of the filesystem, you can't do it with mount. You need fdisk or parted for that |
| 14:46.54 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: 4.3.1 |
| 14:47.01 | tremon | krzkrz: what's the exact command you used to copy the debian iso onto the disk? cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ? |
| 14:47.03 | krzkrz | "Create a second FAT..." |
| 14:47.28 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@41.248.162.157) |
| 14:47.58 | krzkrz | tremon: cp ~/Desktop/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /media/christian/USB/ |
| 14:48.10 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: you don't create a 2nd fat partition that way. you can only do this with fdisk. this description of the commands to run is misleading. you do these commands AFTER you have already created the partitzion |
| 14:48.14 | zoro | dvs: tried aptitde update http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fjJ4U5r2 |
| 14:48.24 | *** join/#debian XATRIX (~xatrix@ip-360e.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua) |
| 14:48.38 | XATRIX | Hi, can you help me with ? I'm a bit new to debian |
| 14:48.39 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: read what dpgk messaged you, get the netinst image with firmware included and put this on your usb stick. then you already have the firmware and don't need to do all this |
| 14:48.50 | mumpitzel | !tell XATRIX about ask |
| 14:48.51 | dvs | zoro: no idea |
| 14:48.56 | XATRIX | <XATRIX> peetaur2: yea, that's exactly what i want |
| 14:48.56 | XATRIX | <XATRIX> My sctipt's not gonna be changed after udpates, but the maintainers vz script could be |
| 14:48.56 | XATRIX | <XATRIX> So, how can i modify mine, to make it start before, and to be stopped after vz script? |
| 14:48.57 | *** join/#debian fahi (fabian@srv.0x0b.de) |
| 14:49.09 | krzkrz | someone needs to work on this documentation |
| 14:49.14 | zoro | dvs: how do u install apps |
| 14:49.21 | krzkrz | so much faffing about just to get this distro installed |
| 14:49.27 | krzkrz | seriously |
| 14:49.28 | dvs | zoro: aptitude install <package-name> |
| 14:49.46 | dvs | just like most people |
| 14:50.19 | krzkrz | so i have the xfce iso cd already downloaded. what do i do next? |
| 14:50.34 | krzkrz | downloaded the torrent from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 14:50.43 | krzkrz | the md5sum checks out |
| 14:50.52 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: anything you need on that usb stick? |
| 14:50.53 | zoro | dvs: can u name a small package, iwant to try |
| 14:51.00 | mumpitzel | any data you need to save? |
| 14:51.02 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: any ideas ? |
| 14:51.07 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: im planning on booting from a USB stick to install debian |
| 14:51.18 | krzkrz | what are the requisites? |
| 14:51.28 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: what you wrote is meaningless gibberish. not enough data to know what you want |
| 14:51.37 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: learn how to explain your problems better (imho) |
| 14:51.50 | dvs | zoro: pastebinit |
| 14:52.27 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: please answer my question: any data you need to save on this usb stick? if so do it now. otherwise: "cp <path to xfce iso> /dev/sdb". after that you can boot from the usb stick and install debian |
| 14:52.33 | tremon | krzkrz: the instructions said to copy it directly to the device (/dev/sdN), not to where it's mounted. Doing that overwrites any data you currently have on that usb stick |
| 14:52.57 | krzkrz | so all i need is the iso file on the usb stick and im good to boot? |
| 14:53.22 | tremon | krzkrz: and I'd really recommend you to show us the output of grep USB /proc/partitions before potentially nuking one of your harddisks |
| 14:53.30 | *** join/#debian fds (~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk) |
| 14:53.48 | tremon | krzkrz: yes, that's all. Just make sure you write it to the correct device |
| 14:53.52 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: data has already been backed up |
| 14:53.59 | krzkrz | so no data i need to save |
| 14:54.04 | krzkrz | k |
| 14:54.04 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: yes. some hardware with non-free firmware (wlan chips for example) might not work immediately. but you can install a full debian that way |
| 14:54.45 | krzkrz | ok if i have hardware incompatibilities, i can handle them later after full installation of debian |
| 14:54.47 | *** join/#debian rAd0n (~WhoWho@81.172.60.89.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 14:54.54 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: i have init.d script, (my own) And currently it has the following details to start http://ur1.ca/esswu . But, there's a problem. /etc/init.d/vz script starts a bit earlier than this one, and fails because it can't start containers because of no partition that has OpenVZ containers is mounted. I need to make /etc/init.d/flashcache service to start before /etc/init.d/vz does, and stop after vz. |
| 14:54.58 | zoro | dvs: hav a look http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=r8HD54en |
| 14:54.58 | krzkrz | brb |
| 14:55.07 | *** join/#debian aboman (~aboman@68.205.63.221) |
| 14:55.25 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: sorry for my stupid explanation, i'm not good in english. i'm not native :( |
| 14:55.26 | dvs | zoro: I don't know then |
| 14:55.27 | *** join/#debian cyrano (~cyrano@net-93-144-221-77.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 14:55.42 | zoro | dvs: thank u very much till now |
| 14:55.46 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: your script doesn't do anything at all |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | XATRIX: looked at LSB tags? |
| 14:55.57 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: it consists only of comments |
| 14:56.06 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 14:56.09 | XATRIX | Em... |
| 14:56.12 | tremon | wonders if krzkrz is now trying to boot from a disk where he copied the installer iso into the filesystem |
| 14:56.14 | p3rror | hello |
| 14:56.22 | p3rror | I have two web server |
| 14:56.25 | zoro | hello |
| 14:56.27 | p3rror | that host the same content |
| 14:56.37 | p3rror | and I need to set up a haproxy server |
| 14:56.44 | Th0masR0ss | krzkrz: su && dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/path/to/usb |
| 14:56.53 | p3rror | with keeplived |
| 14:56.55 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: http://ur1.ca/essxz |
| 14:57.03 | p3rror | How can I deploy them |
| 14:57.05 | XATRIX | abrotman: nope... haven't look |
| 14:57.14 | *** join/#debian FWL73 (~androirc@117.224.199.204) |
| 14:57.51 | *** part/#debian fds (~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk) |
| 14:59.01 | p3rror | please can you help |
| 14:59.37 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 15:00.09 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: ? |
| 15:00.36 | *** join/#debian krzkrz (~foo@49.144.36.77) |
| 15:00.39 | krzkrz | zzzzzz |
| 15:00.47 | krzkrz | booted from the usb, nothing happened |
| 15:00.55 | krzkrz | just sent me to ubuntu |
| 15:01.17 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: file -s /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 15:01.53 | *** join/#debian phaer (~phaer@chello080108051063.9.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 15:02.06 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: just make sure the caching script has a lower SXX number than the vz script and it will run before the vz one |
| 15:02.18 | krzkrz | /dev/sdb1: # ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian 7.1.0 amd64 1 ' (bootable) |
| 15:02.34 | *** join/#debian athit (~Instantbi@223.206.22.110) |
| 15:02.44 | krzkrz | actually let me try rebooting again |
| 15:02.46 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: most likely a BIOS issue then |
| 15:02.50 | krzkrz | brb |
| 15:02.52 | XATRIX | mumpitzel: what about the stopping stage ? How can i make it to stop strictly after the vz script stopps ? |
| 15:03.08 | mumpitzel | XATRIX: stop what and why? |
| 15:03.40 | XATRIX | Need to stop /etc/init.d/flashcache after /etc/init.d/vz |
| 15:03.43 | stree | stop /etc/init |
| 15:04.06 | XATRIX | Because if it forcely umount the partition the vz script will fail to stopp |
| 15:04.12 | mumpitzel | make it a "KXX" where XX is higher than the vz script's |
| 15:04.14 | XATRIX | and possibly case data loss |
| 15:04.26 | *** join/#debian krzkrz (~foo@49.144.36.77) |
| 15:04.43 | XATRIX | SXX - starting sequence number and KXX - stoppin ? |
| 15:04.45 | krzkrz | thats bs. how can it be a bios issue, if i can boot fine when installing ubuntu |
| 15:04.50 | krzkrz | or even linux mint |
| 15:05.11 | Th0masR0ss | krzkrz: try su && dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/path/to/usb |
| 15:05.31 | mumpitzel | Th0masR0ss: why? |
| 15:05.53 | krzkrz | Th0masR0ss: yea why? |
| 15:06.01 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: what was the exact cp command you used? did you copy it to /dev/sdb or to /dev/sdb1? |
| 15:06.15 | Th0masR0ss | oh you already did it? |
| 15:06.27 | Th0masR0ss | never mind. |
| 15:06.49 | krzkrz | hmm mumpitzel let me try something |
| 15:08.33 | krzkrz | sudo cp ~/Desktop/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb1 mumpitzel |
| 15:08.48 | krzkrz | thats how i copied it |
| 15:09.01 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: that's wrong. you need to copy to /dev/sdb |
| 15:09.16 | *** part/#debian SixtyFold (~Absinthe@206.72.198.6) |
| 15:09.28 | krzkrz | hm |
| 15:09.39 | mumpitzel | < mumpitzel> krzkrz: please answer my question: any data you need to save on this usb stick? if so do it now. otherwise: "cp <path to xfce iso> /dev/sdb". <- see how I wrote sdb? not sdb1? |
| 15:10.55 | *** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@p4FFF78DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:12.13 | krzkrz | ok brb |
| 15:12.24 | humle | Hi can i take a dd backup inside of a running Debian. To and external while the whole system is one |
| 15:12.48 | mumpitzel | humle: no |
| 15:13.19 | mumpitzel | you can if you (re)mount the stuff you want to dd as read-only but almost always that's not possible |
| 15:13.30 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: sudo cp ~/Desktop/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb now when i ls /media/christian/USB. it doesnt show any files |
| 15:13.33 | humle | mumpitzel thanks. Guess no tool cant do it then |
| 15:13.34 | krzkrz | is that normal? |
| 15:13.46 | tremon | humle: theoretically, it's possible to dd an lvm snapshot. But getting a reliable snapshot requires you to carefully manage any running services |
| 15:13.47 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 15:14.18 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: you have the usb still mounted? you can't have that. |
| 15:14.22 | humle | tremon sounds like a greater pain then shuting down |
| 15:14.30 | rozie | tremon, mumpitzel how about RO partition? |
| 15:14.51 | humle | thans guys |
| 15:14.56 | humle | *thnaks |
| 15:15.00 | humle | *Jesus |
| 15:15.21 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: k, i unmounted and cp again |
| 15:15.23 | mumpitzel | rozie: I wrote about: remount read only |
| 15:15.39 | krzkrz | mumpitzel: ill reboot when its done copying |
| 15:15.45 | tremon | rozie: you can dd an ro partition, but again any running services don't cope well if you r/o the underlying filesystem |
| 15:15.54 | mumpitzel | krzkrz: yes |
| 15:17.04 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 15:17.08 | rozie | tremon: yes, I know. just wanted to be sure it's possible and safe |
| 15:17.29 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 15:19.02 | *** join/#debian serjs (~serjs@79.164.31.179) |
| 15:20.07 | krz | mumixam: ok I'm installing debian in my other laptop. i get detect network hardware notice. it needs a non-free firmware file to operate. the missing firmware files are iwlwifi-600g2b-6.ucode iwlwifi-600g2b-5.ucode |
| 15:20.34 | *** join/#debian VsioZashibis (~VsioZashi@li469-37.members.linode.com) |
| 15:20.49 | *** join/#debian hellspy (~chatzilla@187.120.47.43) |
| 15:20.50 | *** join/#debian Devastator (~devas@unaffiliated/devastator) |
| 15:21.26 | Th0masR0ss | krz: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:21.54 | krz | right, but what do i do with this ? |
| 15:22.12 | krz | should i quit current installation? |
| 15:22.30 | tremon | krz: if you don't need wireless during install, you can just proceed |
| 15:22.43 | Th0masR0ss | well, what *I* would do is ignore the missing firmware and install the debs after installation. |
| 15:22.46 | stree | fg to ignore * |
| 15:23.07 | abrotman | uh *what*? |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 15:24.22 | krz | do i need wireless to install? I'm installing from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent I'm assuming this cd has all the files to get me going? |
| 15:24.40 | *** join/#debian Ephemeris959 (~binny@pool-72-77-66-35.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:24.51 | Th0masR0ss | krz: yeah |
| 15:25.02 | Th0masR0ss | krz: you don't need wireless |
| 15:25.29 | *** join/#debian FWL73 (~androirc@117.234.191.170) |
| 15:25.34 | krz | k |
| 15:28.23 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 15:29.20 | *** join/#debian s3phir0th115 (~s3phir0th@pool-71-113-2-152.rcmdva.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:30.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1222] by debhelper |
| 15:32.41 | *** join/#debian LDungeon (~llama@cpe-174-102-147-31.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 15:32.44 | krz | I'm in the partitioning window. picked guided. and it selected 6.8gb for swap space |
| 15:32.50 | krz | i have 16gb ram |
| 15:32.52 | amirouche | is there any deb in the wild for debian sid of finalterm ? |
| 15:33.04 | krz | shouldn't swap be equivalent to the amount of ram that i have? |
| 15:33.10 | krz | i.e. for hybernating |
| 15:33.46 | tremon | yes, if you want to hibernate you need to have one swap partition >= system memory |
| 15:33.57 | *** join/#debian paranoids (~markus@2a01:100:1026:0:ad04:d646:c3c7:f5bd) |
| 15:34.08 | *** join/#debian danecando (~danecando@c-98-249-250-92.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 15:34.24 | *** join/#debian martin____ (~martin@194-208-138-040.tele.net) |
| 15:34.29 | tremon | but for any other purpose, that much swap is absolutely useless imho |
| 15:34.41 | *** join/#debian colt (~noreply@96.241.64.28) |
| 15:34.54 | abrotman | amirouche: maybe ask #finalterm on freenode? |
| 15:35.07 | *** join/#debian robin__ (~robin@host31-52-125-4.range31-52.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:35.17 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 15:37.09 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@95.237.42.2) |
| 15:38.20 | *** join/#debian aa47f8 (~sdaone@h187n14-far-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 15:38.59 | krz | does it matter if create a swap partition at the beginning or at the end of disk space? |
| 15:40.05 | frostschutz | krz, not really. HDDs are slower at the end, up to you what to make of that |
| 15:40.46 | krz | and the same for boot right? |
| 15:40.56 | krz | the root / |
| 15:41.21 | frostschutz | boot can be anywhere as long as it's visible to the bootloader. some old machines may have problems with that |
| 15:41.54 | *** join/#debian pitelpan (~panagioti@unaffiliated/pitelpan) |
| 15:45.29 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 15:46.04 | *** join/#debian grandie (~Grandad@p4FD4FB4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:46.16 | *** join/#debian xingu (~xingu@cl-1734.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) |
| 15:46.19 | *** join/#debian surg66 (~surg66@cpc5-dals19-2-0-cust73.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 15:46.30 | mumpitzel | krz: don't create any partitions except / and swap, unless you have a very good reason to do so |
| 15:47.25 | krz | k, debian better be worth it :-D |
| 15:47.59 | *** join/#debian daveee123 (~daveee123@ip-209-203.oberlin.net) |
| 15:48.53 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 15:49.23 | *** join/#debian serjs (~serjs@79.164.31.179) |
| 15:49.26 | daveee123 | doing a netinst from a usb. i was wondering what software i should choose to install. i am not sure what each one is. ssh server is so i can connect to the laptop via ssh from another computer? can i use mail without a mail server? what is a dns server? or a web server? |
| 15:49.32 | daveee123 | sql database? |
| 15:49.32 | *** join/#debian nmschulte (~nmschulte@unaffiliated/reklipz) |
| 15:50.22 | tremon | simple rule: if you don't know what it is or why you need it, you don't need it |
| 15:50.23 | *** join/#debian vrkalak (~vrkalak@108.103.107.16) |
| 15:50.35 | tremon | you can always install it later |
| 15:51.29 | *** join/#debian grandie (~Grandad@p4FD4FB4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:51.38 | *** join/#debian Actreka_ (~Actreka@84.48.48.180) |
| 15:51.45 | *** join/#debian mind0 (~quassel@41.135.84.215) |
| 15:51.58 | *** join/#debian dep_ (~marcus@c253-148-70-80.bjare.net) |
| 15:52.06 | daveee123 | tremon: can you briefly explain what they are. i may have been using it without knowing. like i just found out that file server is samba |
| 15:52.24 | daveee123 | tremon: is a print server just to use a printer over the network? |
| 15:52.48 | daveee123 | tremon: does the regular debian installer install all of these things? |
| 15:52.58 | daveee123 | tremon: and what is sql database? |
| 15:53.19 | tremon | the default installation installs only the desktop environment |
| 15:53.29 | mumpitzel | daveee123: no. you can install anything you want and need after the installation is done, just run "tasksel" again. if you don't know what something is, you don't need it |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | daveee123: you don't know what they are, you probably don't need them? |
| 15:53.43 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@187.59.240.76) |
| 15:53.47 | *** join/#debian avallark (~avallark@117.202.117.72) |
| 15:54.01 | avallark | hola people! |
| 15:54.04 | tremon | I'm not sure on the print server part, as I don't use the installer tasks myself. I assume that it installs cups, which you need for local printers too |
| 15:54.17 | abrotman | it's a .. print server, so others can print through that system |
| 15:54.26 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: abrotman: i know i probably don't need it, but i don't need computers either. i'm just curious what it can all do. why would it install the sql database? |
| 15:54.38 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 15:54.42 | *** join/#debian stayarrr (~stayarrr@dslb-084-060-075-168.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:55.03 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 15:55.11 | *** join/#debian ne0sis (~quassel@41-135-84-154.dsl.mweb.co.za) |
| 15:55.16 | mumpitzel | daveee123: the read up on it yourself. AFTER the installation. man tasksel, tasksel --list-tasks, etc are a good start |
| 15:55.28 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: ok. thanks |
| 15:56.40 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 15:56.59 | krz | mumpitzel, Th0masR0ss debian booted, now how would i install the firmware for my wifi card (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi) if i can't go online with the other laptop |
| 15:57.15 | krz | booted=installed |
| 15:58.17 | mumpitzel | krz: I told you an hour ago about an ISO with firmware. included you didn't want to listen. what you can do is download the .deb right now, since you are obviously online and then copy it over |
| 15:58.26 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (~chatzilla@dslb-094-222-243-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:58.28 | *** join/#debian MaddinXx_ (~racksteri@zux221-111-174.adsl.green.ch) |
| 15:59.09 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: i have been trying to google it all, but i can't figure out why they are necessary. if i don''t have a dns server...then i have to type in the full url? |
| 15:59.23 | mumpitzel | daveee123: no |
| 15:59.26 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: without a web server i cannot host? |
| 15:59.43 | *** join/#debian b_52globe (~b_52globe@41.249.155.225) |
| 15:59.49 | *** join/#debian nocoast (~quassel@2607:f3f0:2::cf34:f2b0) |
| 15:59.51 | mumpitzel | yes. to be able to host files other can access via http, you need a webserver obviously |
| 15:59.55 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@g224128000.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:00.01 | *** join/#debian shengyao (~shengyao@li398-122.members.linode.com) |
| 16:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1228] by debhelper |
| 16:00.41 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: ok, what do i gain by having a dns server? |
| 16:01.27 | mumpitzel | nothing. again: if you don't know, you don't need. very easy to understand |
| 16:01.55 | *** join/#debian _BJFreeman (~bjfree@144.sub-75-244-149.myvzw.com) |
| 16:02.05 | mumpitzel | daveee123: there are 20000 different packages in debian. we cannot and will not tell you what you can do with each one. |
| 16:02.51 | *** join/#debian sharky (~sharky@f049134217.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:02.56 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: i am only asking about 3. and now only 2, sql database and dns server. i am not tryna cause any trouble here |
| 16:03.12 | *** join/#debian JoAkKiNeN (~joakkinen@234.18.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 16:03.15 | *** join/#debian tekkbuzz (~oijvlj@unaffiliated/tekkbuzz) |
| 16:03.47 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@host191.190-136-243.telecom.net.ar) |
| 16:03.50 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 16:04.16 | mumpitzel | daveee123: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_database if you haven't found both when you googled, then you didn't google |
| 16:04.28 | *** join/#debian HazardX (~HazardX3@pool-96-237-170-87.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:06.27 | *** join/#debian hubutm20 (~hubutm20@79.114.13.126) |
| 16:06.30 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: i did, i'm just unclear as to why it is offered by the installer. i guess someone could be using it for a server, but sql database seems to be only if you will be using that language? |
| 16:07.10 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: and sql does not offer any functionality in itself. it is just libraries to code with or use a program that depends on it? |
| 16:07.22 | mumpitzel | what is a "server"? |
| 16:07.48 | *** join/#debian Fire-Dragon-DoL (~Fire-Drag@adsl203-145-043.mclink.it) |
| 16:09.31 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: a computer that provides a network service. so anything ending in server...i don't need because i do not want to offer services? except for file server cause i want to be able to send and receive files from computers on my network? |
| 16:10.10 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: and also except for ssh and mail, because i want to send and receive mail and be able to use ssh to access the computer? |
| 16:10.31 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: is that logic correct? |
| 16:10.50 | mumpitzel | pretty much |
| 16:11.17 | daveee123 | mumpitzel: awesome. thanks for bearing with me |
| 16:12.12 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 16:13.01 | krz | mumpitzel: for my reference where is the xfce iso with the firmware? |
| 16:14.46 | *** join/#debian Martiini (~Martin@88-196-141-145-dsl.rpl.estpak.ee) |
| 16:15.54 | krz | mumpitzel: you never linked it, i believe |
| 16:16.02 | krz | you just mentioned it |
| 16:16.14 | krz | second, shouldn't this information be on the installation page? |
| 16:16.17 | mumpitzel | krz: nowhere. these are netinst images. which is all that's needed cause you can then simply apt-get install xfce4, since you then have network access... |
| 16:16.34 | mumpitzel | no it should not. Debian is a FREE distro. |
| 16:16.45 | krz | so? |
| 16:16.51 | mumpitzel | it goes to great pains and lengths to only include free software, which this firmware is not |
| 16:17.17 | krz | FREE doesn't mean avoidance of some kind of decent documenation |
| 16:17.38 | mumpitzel | there is no avoidance. it tells you about non-free firmware |
| 16:17.44 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~gnugr@79.107.209.213) |
| 16:17.44 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~gnugr@unaffiliated/gnugr) |
| 16:17.46 | mumpitzel | it doesn't provide non-free software however |
| 16:17.46 | *** join/#debian zipy (~zipy@dslb-088-078-092-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:18.01 | *** join/#debian zipy (~zipy@unaffiliated/zipy) |
| 16:18.11 | krz | well that would be ironic, wouldn't it |
| 16:18.38 | krz | ie. half decent |
| 16:18.47 | zipy | hey, i installed debian from the testing livedvd with lvm + luks. after installation, on boot it says it cant find my vgs |
| 16:18.57 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 16:19.09 | zipy | and why cant i join #debian-next |
| 16:19.25 | zipy | ah |
| 16:19.28 | zipy | other network |
| 16:19.28 | zipy | k |
| 16:19.49 | mumpitzel | zipy: #debian-next is on another netwrok (oftc). and you should never use the testing ISO for installing debian. install a minimal stable debian and upgrade that |
| 16:20.22 | mumpitzel | zipy: testing installers are not for installing debian but for actually testing that installer |
| 16:20.31 | zipy | so i use the stable one and change source.list then update && dist-upgrade? |
| 16:21.04 | krz | in any case. for my reference, if i download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso that should avoid the issue with any firmwares, right? |
| 16:21.21 | *** join/#debian [BNC]milo64 (milo64@2a00:dcc0:eda:3748:247:48:123:2) |
| 16:21.23 | krz | and.. same procedure, just copy this to the usb stick and boot? |
| 16:21.54 | zipy | ye that one is working i already tested |
| 16:21.54 | mumpitzel | yes same procedure |
| 16:22.18 | krz | is there a torrent file for the netinst.iso file? |
| 16:22.23 | zipy | and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after sourcelist eddited right? |
| 16:22.49 | krz | id like to check the integrity of the netinst file after downloading it, before i use it |
| 16:23.01 | krz | i don't currently see any md5 check sums |
| 16:24.03 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 16:24.10 | *** join/#debian Roenie (~Roenie@D978CF38.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 16:24.16 | *** join/#debian Artopal (~rafo@190.114.249.158) |
| 16:24.30 | mumpitzel | krz: every directory where you download the file has md5sum and sha512sum files. |
| 16:24.55 | krz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso is just an iso though |
| 16:25.11 | krz | second downloading over http is pretty slow. wondering if there is a torrent for this |
| 16:25.14 | mumpitzel | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd however is not but a nice directory listing |
| 16:25.35 | mumpitzel | yes there are torrents too http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/ |
| 16:25.38 | *** join/#debian elppdppd (~elppdppd@178.128.202.155.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 16:26.01 | mumpitzel | are you thinking about anything for a second before you type? is your typing totally disconnected from your brain? |
| 16:26.32 | *** join/#debian codesoup (~codesoup@69-196-133-250.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 16:27.00 | krz | bro think it through. I'm reading http://www.debian.org/distrib/ it links to the iso file. but no checksum or torrent |
| 16:27.25 | krz | what you pasted contains the checksum and torrent files. but if one were coming from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ how would they know where to go from that page! |
| 16:27.27 | krz | think! |
| 16:27.29 | krz | UX |
| 16:27.36 | krz | like user usability-wise |
| 16:27.47 | *** part/#debian KsM (~r@wikipedia/Abb615) |
| 16:27.55 | krz | usability-wise |
| 16:28.27 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 16:28.28 | *** join/#debian well_laid_lawn (~Jean-luc@d110-32-52-182.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 16:30.23 | *** join/#debian marsfligth (~a@host148-20-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:30.23 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philip@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 16:31.48 | *** join/#debian Talon_ (~Talon_@50.126.210.17) |
| 16:31.50 | *** join/#debian billkd (~billkd200@dhcp-20-aa-4b-27-5-79.cpe.echoes.net) |
| 16:31.56 | billkd | !help |
| 16:32.00 | *** part/#debian billkd (~billkd200@dhcp-20-aa-4b-27-5-79.cpe.echoes.net) |
| 16:32.11 | *** join/#debian datguise (~thisguise@unaffiliated/datguise) |
| 16:32.51 | krz | second! http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent is an invalid torrent!! |
| 16:33.48 | ompaul | krz: drive by bugs fail do you mean it is invalid because there is nobody sharing? |
| 16:33.54 | *** join/#debian FnorZ (~cthulhu@unaffiliated/fnorz) |
| 16:34.14 | krz | ompaul torrent cannot be found. possibly |
| 16:34.24 | ompaul | krz: so nobody is sharing it |
| 16:34.44 | ompaul | krz: so download it using some other tool |
| 16:34.53 | krz | over http? |
| 16:35.01 | ompaul | that's one way |
| 16:35.06 | ompaul | you can use ftp |
| 16:35.09 | stree | the way it was a higher level trouble |
| 16:35.09 | *** part/#debian ee2455 (~ee2455@unaffiliated/ee2455) |
| 16:35.19 | mumpitzel | krz: the torrent works fine for me. just tried it |
| 16:35.38 | mumpitzel | it pretty much maxes out my connection right now |
| 16:36.14 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (angel@unaffiliated/ra3or) |
| 16:36.22 | krz | nope, just tried with another computer. same thing. downloaded from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 16:36.39 | ompaul | mumpitzel: in fairness not all parts of the planet have coverage (me included) |
| 16:36.43 | mumpitzel | and so did I and I am currently downloading the file just fine. what is the error you get? |
| 16:36.49 | mumpitzel | ompaul: coverage for what? |
| 16:37.04 | *** join/#debian An-IP-BreAKDoWN (~UPP@c-67-177-253-164.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:37.23 | ompaul | mumpitzel: for the seeders - we don't have something to connect to (then again our ISPs could be idiots, I don't believe mine is) |
| 16:37.24 | *** join/#debian Rubemlrm (~Rubemlrm@bl22-48-216.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 16:37.28 | mumpitzel | ompaul: he contends it's a malformed torrent but doesn't tell why or how it's supposed to be malformed. so I tested it here and it downloads just fine |
| 16:37.30 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 16:37.49 | *** join/#debian mkdzen (~Quit@146.255.74.120) |
| 16:37.52 | ompaul | mumpitzel: It's not offering any seeders here but that's all that is wrong |
| 16:38.05 | mumpitzel | ompaul: it uses DHT and bttracker.debian.org here |
| 16:38.14 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 16:38.15 | *** join/#debian tumi (~tumii@line-20015.dyn.kponet.fi) |
| 16:38.40 | mumpitzel | and one should alos notice, it's an UNOFFICIAL iso which might not have as many seeders as official ones |
| 16:39.24 | *** join/#debian nsgn (~nsgn@cpe-24-28-25-43.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 16:40.52 | nsgn | hello. i have debian running a pretty simple task on a 1.6ghz intel atom processor. is there any way i can underclock this thing to have it consume less electricity in operation? i've got a kill-a-watt on the computer now so i can see real time power usage |
| 16:41.03 | *** join/#debian angeldeath (~angeldeat@201.210.1.210) |
| 16:41.24 | mumpitzel | nsgn: it already will underclock via speedstep. why would you want to underclock it even more? |
| 16:42.01 | *** join/#debian Shtl (~shital@103.15.63.110) |
| 16:42.27 | nsgn | mumpitzel, well i guess that was part of my question too. how well does this manage automatically in debian? right now i'm just sitting at the bios and it is using 25w. will it automatically be less within debian because it will bring up a speed step module? |
| 16:42.48 | mumpitzel | it works fine. it's done automatically |
| 16:42.58 | mumpitzel | BIOS is not debian |
| 16:44.00 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 16:44.20 | nsgn | it's not?! :) i'm moving this program from my laptop where i made it to this little atom and was just curious if it would run at a lower power consumption once within debian or if i would have to specifically underclock to get lower power draw than sitting at bios |
| 16:44.53 | *** join/#debian f10 (~f10@188-192-183-84-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 16:45.31 | mumpitzel | 25W is very high for a atom. most kill-a-watt are useless at that wattage too |
| 16:45.52 | *** join/#debian uuni (~Jellyfish@c-69-136-41-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 16:46.41 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@95.242.231.52) |
| 16:47.17 | XATRIX | What does mean X-Stop-After inside the init script ? Does it mean , that the invoked service should be stopped after the targeted service ? But not before ? |
| 16:47.35 | nsgn | mumpitzel, though it isnt a high precision tool i've got about a -/+ 2w accuracy with this kill a watt when tested with known power draws. suitable for my playing. as for this atom being high draw..it is about 4 years old :(. the newer ones are DRASTICALLY more efficient |
| 16:48.08 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 16:48.08 | mumpitzel | nsgn: doesn't matter. still high. unless it has an awfully inefficient powersupply which is a possibility |
| 16:48.23 | nsgn | mumpitzel, but again this measurement is at the wall, so that is the whole system. though i've got it pretty slim. just power supply with one fan, motherboard, the atom with one little fan on top of it, and one SSD |
| 16:48.24 | mumpitzel | and no, all atoms draw ~10W |
| 16:48.50 | epsilon | is there a way to create a file of $size except using dd? |
| 16:48.59 | *** join/#debian galant (~galant@77.28.2.170) |
| 16:50.08 | *** join/#debian Guest56797 (~slacks@ip-141-31-181-54.nat.selfnet.de) |
| 16:50.11 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@119.42.75.149) |
| 16:50.11 | abrotman | epsilon: yes, man dd |
| 16:50.27 | nsgn | mumpitzel, help me understand the all atoms draw 10W statement. i'm not trying to be difficult, but learn if I'm taking things wrong when I read this page: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035 |
| 16:50.35 | tremon | epsilon: what's wrong with dd? |
| 16:50.50 | nsgn | mumpitzel, is max tdp not what we're discussing when we speak specifically of chip draw? |
| 16:50.57 | mumpitzel | epsilon: perl -e 'print "\0" x 100' > filename.ext instead of 100, size of your choice |
| 16:51.05 | mumpitzel | nsgn: no. it rarely draws full tdp |
| 16:51.15 | *** join/#debian thorsten_t_ge (~thorsten@p57A7A481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:51.17 | abrotman | mumpitzel: maybe let him read the docs? |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | it's not hard, it's just a bit of reading |
| 16:51.36 | nsgn | mumpitzel, sure, but i guess i'm asking how you figure all atoms draw 10w when there are chips on that list with a max tdp of 2.2w |
| 16:51.37 | mumpitzel | abrotman: who, epsilon or nsgn or both? |
| 16:51.44 | nsgn | haha |
| 16:51.46 | abrotman | the one you just spoonfed the answer |
| 16:52.25 | *** join/#debian freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 16:52.28 | mumpitzel | abrotman: people who are too dumb to google are handicapped in my book. you don't discriminate against the mentally disabled, do you? |
| 16:52.55 | epsilon | i actually don't need the allocated block to be written by dd, I just need files of specific size for a performance test |
| 16:52.58 | *** join/#debian althalus_ (~althalus@c-76-27-234-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 16:53.00 | nsgn | ahhaha wow |
| 16:53.18 | nsgn | mumpitzel, now i happen to be on a D510 which does draw 10w, so maybe thats what you meant. i know mine is older and less efficient. |
| 16:53.20 | mumpitzel | abrotman: see how mentally disabled epsilon is? poor guy |
| 16:53.25 | abrotman | mumpitzel: point them at the docs .. tell them to read .. spoonfeeding won't cure that problem |
| 16:53.37 | abrotman | epsilon: man dd .. learn how to do it |
| 16:53.53 | frostschutz | epsilon, truncate -s x or dd count=0 of=file bs=x seek=x |
| 16:54.00 | abrotman | !fish |
| 16:54.02 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 16:54.14 | aegis | Let justice be done though the heavens should fall. |
| 16:54.25 | *** join/#debian daveee123 (~daveee123@ip-209-203.oberlin.net) |
| 16:54.25 | mumpitzel | nsgn: the D510 variant is the oldest IIRC. back then the chipset added quite a bit to the powerdraw |
| 16:55.21 | *** join/#debian jklaz (~jklaz@79.103.24.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 16:55.25 | nsgn | mumpitzel, yeah. this is indeed an old one. i've got a raspberry pi next to it driving another display using less than 1/12th the power all accessories considered. but i have the atom board here so using it is cheaper than buying another pi |
| 16:55.38 | nsgn | well..for about one year and then electricity use on the atom swamps the pi's upfront cost. ha |
| 16:55.44 | *** join/#debian dimaursu16 (~dimon@188.138.180.180) |
| 16:56.45 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (angel@unaffiliated/ra3or) |
| 16:57.02 | mumpitzel | nsgn: maybe you can undervolt the atom in its bios |
| 16:57.37 | *** join/#debian |oop (~pool@c-68-81-109-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 16:58.01 | *** join/#debian Jim7991 (~Jim7991@cpc12-sotn9-2-0-cust514.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 16:58.07 | nsgn | mumpitzel, that'd be cool, but i can't find anywhere in this bios where it seems permitted |
| 16:58.29 | XATRIX | Do i have to run update-rc.d SERVICE defaults , everytime i update the code of the service ? |
| 16:58.55 | *** join/#debian firecode (~irc@unaffiliated/firecode) |
| 16:59.01 | nsgn | mumpitzel, i don't suppose there's any way to force that from within linux? the board seems to offer no such support at bios |
| 16:59.51 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1236] by debhelper |
| 17:00.08 | epsilon | frostschutz: thx! didnt know about count=0 in dd |
| 17:00.42 | *** join/#debian SM0TVI (kvirc@unaffiliated/sm0tvi) |
| 17:01.18 | frostschutz | epsilon, truncate is more intuitive for this particular use case; added the dd just to show that dd can do anything :D |
| 17:01.22 | *** join/#debian dansushi (~dan@ool-45755bf2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:01.25 | mumpitzel | nsgn: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PHC |
| 17:01.44 | *** join/#debian ladnaV (~Vandal@176.209.229.100) |
| 17:01.56 | *** join/#debian Wharncliffe (~coffee@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 17:02.46 | nsgn | mumpitzel, very interesting. it seems the atom is listed as supported.. |
| 17:03.14 | mumpitzel | yes, only older cpus are. newer ones, intel disabled the capability in typical intel fashion |
| 17:03.28 | nsgn | mumpitzel, wonderful |
| 17:03.30 | *** join/#debian ponyofdeath (~vladi@cpe-75-80-165-117.san.res.rr.com) |
| 17:03.43 | ompaul | so a reboot a bit of a visit to the bios and away you go :) |
| 17:03.52 | nsgn | mumpitzel, although the newer ones use so little (at least in atom) that it nearly doesnt matter |
| 17:04.42 | nsgn | ompaul, if that was directed at me this bios has no support for undervolting |
| 17:05.51 | *** join/#debian Known_problems (~Known_pro@177.27.213.122) |
| 17:06.47 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:06.52 | *** join/#debian Walzmyn (~quassel@h101.36.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 17:06.58 | nsgn | mumpitzel, looks like there are some pre-built kernels out there with undervolting ready to go. i'm gonna load up a fresh debian and give one a try here. curious what savings i can gain... |
| 17:08.11 | *** join/#debian marsfligth (~a@host148-20-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:08.51 | *** join/#debian b4dave_4 (~b4dave@71-35-235-211.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 17:08.55 | *** join/#debian Frank81 (~Thunderbi@91-66-28-179-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:09.00 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 17:10.32 | *** join/#debian Morrolan (Morrolan@morrolan.ch) |
| 17:10.41 | *** join/#debian zir0faive (~zir0faive@cty37-1-78-214-92-19.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:11.35 | *** join/#debian infernix (nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 17:12.02 | *** part/#debian mahac (~mar@p5B3018D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:12.15 | *** join/#debian acerspyro (~acerspyro@24.225.141.73) |
| 17:12.47 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:12.59 | acerspyro | Hi, how do I tell my system that I have an integrated microphone and that it should use it? |
| 17:13.27 | nsgn | mumpitzel, i'm actually now reading conflicting info. though the atom is listed as supported by this tool people are now saying that the atom is hardwired to ignore custom VID values |
| 17:13.51 | *** join/#debian LinuxGuy91 (~LinuxGuy9@rrcs-24-227-146-98.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:14.00 | *** join/#debian DonRichie (~DonRichie@dslb-088-069-189-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:15.10 | *** join/#debian Xanthor (~Xanthor@ip-173.net-81-220-233.bruay.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 17:16.26 | *** join/#debian adellam (~adellam@pdpc/supporter/active/adellam) |
| 17:16.29 | acerspyro | How do I tell my system that I have an integrated microphone and that it should use it? |
| 17:16.46 | *** join/#debian Ashoshi (~Ashoshi@unaffiliated/ashoshi) |
| 17:17.34 | *** join/#debian Alexi_ (~alexi@host-78-149-215-224.as13285.net) |
| 17:17.39 | *** join/#debian MAL_ (63f17956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.241.121.86) |
| 17:18.00 | *** join/#debian Artpicre (~Artpicre@jar10-1-82-241-186-156.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:18.02 | *** join/#debian caravel (~caravel@83.230.147.44) |
| 17:18.13 | nsgn | acerspyro, the microphone itself is not a device you'll address so much as it is a feature of your sound chip |
| 17:18.35 | nsgn | but in my experience i dont tend to use linux for audio. not to say it doesnt work, but god can it be a pain :) |
| 17:18.36 | acerspyro | ok |
| 17:18.50 | acerspyro | It's my only mic |
| 17:18.56 | nsgn | every linux box i have running right now has sound disabled in bios |
| 17:18.57 | acerspyro | on that iMac G3 |
| 17:19.01 | nsgn | so i'm not likely the one to talk to |
| 17:19.06 | acerspyro | ok |
| 17:19.08 | nsgn | oh wow, imac g3? |
| 17:19.11 | acerspyro | Yup |
| 17:19.15 | acerspyro | X works :) |
| 17:19.32 | acerspyro | Sound works, too |
| 17:19.32 | nsgn | thats a common enough model you can probably google that |
| 17:19.38 | acerspyro | ok |
| 17:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1245] by debhelper |
| 17:20.08 | acerspyro | ty |
| 17:20.10 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 17:20.29 | *** join/#debian calisto (~calisto@unaffiliated/calisto) |
| 17:22.19 | XATRIX | guys, still can't make it. I've renamed my service stop sequence(symlink) from K02flashcache -> K04flashcache, Set : # Required-Stop: $remote_fs $network pvedaemon vz vzeventd , and it still tries to shut down before vz |
| 17:22.29 | XATRIX | No idea how to fix it :( |
| 17:22.48 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:23.10 | *** join/#debian tw3rk (~tw3rk@c-24-126-9-89.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 17:24.01 | *** join/#debian geekosopher (~nitesh@unaffiliated/mistrynitesh) |
| 17:24.50 | *** join/#debian scootypuff (~barbs@pool-71-170-159-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:24.59 | *** join/#debian PepperBob (~PepperBob@dslb-092-072-088-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:26.24 | *** join/#debian wildc4rd (~nick@109.176.161.177) |
| 17:27.11 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 17:27.17 | *** part/#debian Amadiro (jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no) |
| 17:28.15 | tremon | XATRIX: have you tried putting X-Stop-After vz? read up on the stanzas in man insserv.conf |
| 17:28.42 | tremon | correction, man insserv |
| 17:28.57 | acerspyro | Anyone knowing how to get my iMac G3's integrated microphone to work? |
| 17:29.46 | XATRIX | tremon: sure , tried it |
| 17:29.48 | XATRIX | No go |
| 17:30.12 | XATRIX | Still trying to umount/destroy cache-partition before my VZ containers stop |
| 17:30.32 | *** join/#debian Morrolan (Morrolan@morrolan.ch) |
| 17:31.44 | *** join/#debian jscott1989 (~jscott198@90.217.183.120) |
| 17:31.46 | krz | great the netinst torrent stopped downloading. the http download completed with a different checksum. what other options do i have? |
| 17:31.57 | mumpitzel | !tell XATRIX about sysvinit |
| 17:32.16 | ompaul | krz: check the checksum you want |
| 17:32.23 | ompaul | agaist the disk you want |
| 17:32.38 | krz | ompaul: yes, they DONT match |
| 17:33.01 | nsgn | krz i pulled down netinst over http just a moment ago. was fine |
| 17:33.15 | ompaul | krz: get another one and start again |
| 17:33.46 | krz | http downloads don't do integrity checks, unlike torrent files |
| 17:33.59 | krz | chances are it will have the same result |
| 17:34.02 | *** join/#debian KrzPi (~krizze@77.109.224.135) |
| 17:34.03 | nsgn | krz but then you checksum it afterward... |
| 17:34.20 | krz | and if it fails again? redownload it? thats silly |
| 17:34.20 | tremon | XATRIX: after modifying the dependency headers, did you re-run insserv to regenerate the list? There is some tool to visualize the dependency chain, sadly I don't know its name |
| 17:34.38 | XATRIX | hm... no |
| 17:34.46 | krz | surely debian should offer an official torrent for the net installer. wouldn't that make sense? |
| 17:34.52 | ompaul | krz: change mirros |
| 17:35.02 | ompaul | krz: no it wouldn't |
| 17:35.07 | krz | why not? |
| 17:35.20 | ompaul | think about the resource, get your supporters to do it |
| 17:35.44 | nsgn | i really dont see what is wrong with doing a http download then a checksum. isnt the whole point that if it checksums wrong you re-download? i really never have to re-download though |
| 17:35.53 | nsgn | are you on a really poor internet connection that that is a big risk? |
| 17:36.00 | ompaul | krz: that's a hell of a demand to place on debian how many versions of each iso over how many isos .... |
| 17:36.12 | krz | ummm if they have torrents for the other cds, surely they can host/serve them there as well |
| 17:36.36 | mechanicalduck | hi |
| 17:36.42 | *** join/#debian ZitZ (~paulson@h29.16.214.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 17:37.05 | nsgn | mechanicalduck, hi |
| 17:37.12 | ZitZ | hi |
| 17:37.19 | mechanicalduck | So I manage the config and service stuff with puppet. Now there are some binary files and other stuff which should simply be copied over. Puppet could do it, too. But how to 'package' the stuff actually? |
| 17:37.27 | ompaul | krz: I've nothing further to offer on this |
| 17:37.28 | mechanicalduck | Should I make a custom debian package? |
| 17:37.35 | krz | of course you dont |
| 17:37.40 | XATRIX | tremon: doesn't help me much :( |
| 17:37.47 | XATRIX | Still doing the same |
| 17:37.49 | nsgn | krz ...what the heck, dude. we're trying to help here |
| 17:37.57 | *** join/#debian mand0 (~mand0@pool-108-56-199-54.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:38.07 | *** join/#debian winsen (~winsen_m@unaffiliated/winsen) |
| 17:38.20 | ompaul | krz: you either accept the reality or pay for the torrent services for debian I guess |
| 17:38.23 | krz | i have nothing against that nsgn |
| 17:39.21 | Artemis3 | have you ever heard of md5sums? are you crying for re-downloading 50mb of data? |
| 17:39.23 | acerspyro | Anybody knowing how to use my iMac G3's integrated microphone? |
| 17:39.38 | *** join/#debian Clydelin (~clyde@27.151.75.79) |
| 17:39.42 | *** join/#debian dh0ks (~stefan@ip-178-203-195-5.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 17:40.14 | krz | Artemis3: its not 50 mb though is it! its 200+mb! |
| 17:41.36 | nsgn | krz which is where i ask if your internet is bad..because i just downloaded the 200+ mb file in a few minutes, checked its integrity, and already have my install half way done |
| 17:41.49 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:41.57 | krz | nsgn: please don't blame it on the internet |
| 17:42.01 | nsgn | if you were on ISDN or something it might make more sense how painful that 200mb download was |
| 17:42.18 | XATRIX | Ok, i've made it! |
| 17:42.24 | XATRIX | tremon: thanks a lot! |
| 17:42.27 | *** part/#debian XATRIX (~xatrix@ip-360e.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua) |
| 17:42.29 | ompaul | tilting at windmills seems to be the way forward here |
| 17:42.43 | *** join/#debian mechanicalduck_ (~mechanica@37-1-160-200.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 17:43.23 | nsgn | krz don't blame what on the internet? the fact that there isnt a torrent or the fact that you somehow don't want the possibility of having to re-download the file if you go http? if you had gone http before debating all this you'd already be installing. i'm not sure what else you want us to say |
| 17:43.27 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 17:43.31 | tremon | oh well, I guess "doesn't help much" was enough after all |
| 17:43.48 | krz | nsgn: the fact that there are limited options is the issue |
| 17:44.26 | nsgn | krz i'm just happy there are options. many websites/companies/orgs just offer one link to something and call it a day. it's done on a volunteer basis, for crying out loud |
| 17:44.27 | ompaul | krz: so solve it yourself download the http and offer the torrent |
| 17:44.32 | krz | anywhere in the world, someone can download the iso file via http and have the same issue. what are you gonna tell them? its their internet? |
| 17:44.40 | *** join/#debian bst_ (~bst@chello084113221099.3.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 17:44.54 | nsgn | krz they are highly likely not to have the issue because they'll checksum the file and it will be ok and they will install |
| 17:45.07 | *** part/#debian phasma (uid10842@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmqsbahytgiuawhq) |
| 17:45.19 | nsgn | unless you define "the issue" as the slim possibility of having to redownload as being unacceptable in which case again i dont know what to say |
| 17:45.29 | krz | nsgn: they checksum it. realize it doenst match. then they download again via http. same issue. use a freaking torrent! |
| 17:45.57 | krz | downloads via http don't do integrity checks. period |
| 17:46.03 | ompaul | nsgn: it's obvious this is now either a troll of cause celeb :) |
| 17:46.12 | ompaul | s/of/or/ |
| 17:46.16 | nsgn | krz if you can repeatedly download a file via HTTP and it does not match a checksum you very well freaking may have an internet problem |
| 17:46.30 | nsgn | i cant remember the last time a http download from debian or ubuntu or wherever failed a checksum |
| 17:46.45 | nsgn | but i'm done, because if he doesnt get that concept there is no helping. either a troll or..i have no idea |
| 17:47.03 | krz | nsgn: it happens. and for someone to blame it on the internet is purely ignorance |
| 17:47.04 | Artemis3 | must be using someone's wifi :) |
| 17:47.15 | nsgn | he's tethering through his cell phone |
| 17:47.22 | Artemis3 | or that |
| 17:47.23 | nsgn | on 2G. while roaming |
| 17:47.27 | nsgn | using android |
| 17:47.38 | ompaul | nsgn: no, using nokia windows :) |
| 17:47.42 | nsgn | HA, touche |
| 17:47.52 | *** join/#debian Artopal (~rafo@190.114.249.158) |
| 17:47.57 | ompaul | and so we got with our lives |
| 17:48.48 | ompaul | nsgn: just as an aside netinstall cds are not a great idea for bad connections tbh, in fact they are a mistake :) |
| 17:49.06 | *** join/#debian o1 (~o@72.53.121.139) |
| 17:49.18 | nsgn | ompaul, which is why i kept asking about his connection, but he kept saying it was inconceivable his internet could have anything to do with him repeatedly getting corrupt downloads |
| 17:49.21 | ompaul | why you may ask, well because the majority of the system has to be downloaded over the bad connection |
| 17:49.36 | nsgn | :) |
| 17:49.39 | ompaul | nsgn: which is why I say troll or cause celeb :) |
| 17:49.48 | nsgn | yup |
| 17:50.14 | ompaul | I have no evidence for anything else, or if there is, then I can't see it, and must therefore be lacking a clue due to an information dearth |
| 17:50.38 | *** join/#debian cyrano (~cyrano@net-93-144-221-77.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 17:51.01 | *** join/#debian owen1 (~oren@108-227-80-160.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:51.46 | nsgn | oh cool. i may have a bad psu or something here. system hauls off and reboots with no warning during install. yippiee |
| 17:52.04 | *** join/#debian Aramur (~arare@162.Red-83-33-87.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:52.16 | krz | it takes 15 minutes to download a 200+mb file. not everyone is on a high speed inet connection. many things can happen within those 15 minutes. doesn't mean inet connection is bad |
| 17:52.17 | ompaul | nsgn: ram is the first suspect |
| 17:52.28 | nsgn | ompaul, well, i saw it do it once earlier at bios.... |
| 17:52.45 | ompaul | nsgn: ah additional info :) useful stuff that |
| 17:52.57 | nsgn | its acting like a voltage dip. and i had an odd scribble on this PSU near the 3.3v marking i couldnt remember why i had written...haha |
| 17:53.07 | *** join/#debian Coffeeman_ (~Paul@p5DE8977F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:53.10 | nsgn | it passes my psu tester but of course that is without load |
| 17:53.30 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-158-69-209.range86-158.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:53.32 | ompaul | nsgn: aye, load changes lots it (cough) inducts changes |
| 17:53.44 | *** join/#debian mechanicalduck (~mechanica@37-1-160-200.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 17:54.52 | krz | instead of blaming it on the inet connection. (we all know downloads via http don't do integrity checks). what is the alternative approach? |
| 17:55.00 | ompaul | buy disks |
| 17:55.26 | ompaul | ftp |
| 17:55.31 | ompaul | reget |
| 17:55.56 | mumpitzel | be nice and ask someone for help with quickpar |
| 17:56.13 | krz | where is the ftp server for the net installer? |
| 17:56.17 | ompaul | krz: face it we can't support you, you need to buy all the disks from someone if you can't download it, or ask some buddy with a better connection |
| 17:56.23 | ompaul | krz: search the mirrors |
| 17:56.41 | ompaul | krz: I know it exists but I've not got the time to look |
| 17:56.47 | *** join/#debian avallark (~user@117.217.136.68) |
| 17:56.51 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 17:56.56 | avallark | hello all :) good evening |
| 17:56.59 | mumpitzel | most/all mirrors accept http and ftp connections. start with the official mirror in your country ftp.<ISO code of country>.debian.org |
| 17:57.21 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 17:57.25 | krz | but thats what I'm saying. wouldn't it make more sense to host/serve the torrent files instead of serving via http |
| 17:57.43 | krz | mint, ubuntu, do this |
| 17:57.46 | mumpitzel | all official debian isos are available via jigdo and bt |
| 17:57.47 | *** join/#debian geekosopher (~nitesh@unaffiliated/mistrynitesh) |
| 17:57.47 | krz | its a breeze to install |
| 17:57.55 | ompaul | this is not debian |
| 17:58.03 | ompaul | oh hang on it it is, and debian doesn't |
| 17:58.08 | mumpitzel | and ubuntu certainly provides http downloads by default |
| 17:58.12 | *** join/#debian LoCoZeNoz_ZUE (~LoCoZeNoz@APoitiers-651-1-192-66.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:58.31 | ompaul | and they also don't do 15 or so archs |
| 17:58.41 | krz | mumpitzel: thats by default. but they have torrents too |
| 17:58.46 | ompaul | can we drop this subject in the deep ocean where it belongs |
| 17:59.03 | frostschutz | krz: netinst is only 12MB - if you already have grub. ;) |
| 17:59.12 | mumpitzel | krz: so does debian |
| 17:59.19 | mumpitzel | frostschutz: netinst is >200MB |
| 17:59.52 | krz | mumpitzel: ubuntu has official torrents. that actually download |
| 18:00.05 | ompaul | krz: and very very deep pockets |
| 18:00.12 | ompaul | how many archs? |
| 18:00.20 | ompaul | 1 maybe 3? |
| 18:01.00 | mumpitzel | so does debian. which torrent didn't download for you? debian has its own tracker even |
| 18:01.13 | nsgn | round and round we go |
| 18:01.16 | ompaul | mumpitzel: he can't connect to a tracker which is the real issue |
| 18:01.26 | krz | what ompaul said |
| 18:01.49 | f8l | krz: How about jigdo? |
| 18:01.51 | frostschutz | maybe rsync with delta-thingy? |
| 18:01.53 | krz | the net installer torrent located at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 18:02.06 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@c-98-231-66-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:02.07 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@fsf/member/pipeep) |
| 18:02.46 | mumpitzel | I can connect to http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/ just fine. my browser gives me a 404 there but that's normal and proves: there is a webserver to connect to there |
| 18:02.49 | krz | f8l: would like that. but am currently on two machines. win 7 and osx |
| 18:02.53 | krz | atm |
| 18:02.55 | *** join/#debian DNS (~DNS777@unaffiliated/dns777) |
| 18:03.12 | mumpitzel | krz: that's not a debian iso. note the big bad "UNOFFICIAL" in the url... yes reading is hard |
| 18:03.13 | *** join/#debian tux1986 (~administr@dsl16-176.pool.bitel.net) |
| 18:03.27 | krz | mumpitzel: thats the one you pasted! |
| 18:03.30 | mumpitzel | krz: and remember it all started with you being unable to understand docs |
| 18:03.39 | mumpitzel | krz: and I told you everytime it's unofficial |
| 18:03.46 | f8l | krz: How does it relate? |
| 18:04.01 | krz | mumpitzel: so why they hell are you giving me a torrent that unofficial? go figure! |
| 18:04.08 | mumpitzel | from what I understand you were even unable to download a file and copy it over to your new debian via usb stick or whatever. |
| 18:04.22 | *** part/#debian hnsz2002 (~hnsz2002@hercules.unreachable.hu) |
| 18:04.27 | mumpitzel | krz: cause you asked for it due to your inability to manage to install otherwise apparently |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | or just download the ISO instead? |
| 18:04.59 | nsgn | tried to suggest that... |
| 18:05.03 | mumpitzel | abrotman: the iso have md5sum issues for him |
| 18:05.40 | abrotman | before or after burning? |
| 18:05.44 | krz | mumpitzel: no. if you put pieces of your memory back together. or whatever is still there. you suggested i download the xfce iso torrent file. did that. had an issue with the wifi driver. so you suggested to download the UNOFFICIAL torrent file which will take care of the firmware. don't twist things around buttnip |
| 18:06.09 | nsgn | not only is there no possible solution on earth for this guy, he's rude while he's at it |
| 18:06.15 | abrotman | so use /ignore |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | you don't have to help him or see what he writes |
| 18:06.28 | mumpitzel | krz: I get tired with you. solve your problems alone |
| 18:06.29 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 18:06.38 | *** join/#debian Xjs|moonshine (moon@chrysostomos.aoide.de) |
| 18:06.43 | mumpitzel | good luck, you will need it with your attitude |
| 18:06.44 | krz | mumpitzel: i think ill have to rely on that! |
| 18:06.48 | nsgn | abrotman, ah excellent. forgot about that. thx |
| 18:07.17 | krz | there was no attitude in the beginning until this pitzel bro started twisting his story around. either you wanna help or you dont! |
| 18:07.33 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@41.248.162.157) |
| 18:08.03 | *** join/#debian mecool (~mecool@37.231.104.116) |
| 18:08.42 | f8l | krz: Do you have a cable connection to work with on you target machine? |
| 18:08.44 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (~filipe@h136n4-u-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 18:09.16 | krz | f8l: its a dsl connection downloads at 150-200 kb/s |
| 18:09.46 | krz | I'm downloading the net inst iso torrent file again, to see if the checksum matches this time around |
| 18:09.57 | krz | via http, i might add |
| 18:10.14 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~bitcount@81.61.208.23.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 18:10.27 | f8l | krz: Torrent should take care of the checksums for you. |
| 18:10.42 | *** join/#debian Alexi1 (~alexi@host-78-149-215-224.as13285.net) |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | which netinst? with the firmware? |
| 18:10.57 | krz | f8l: unfortunately there are no official torrent files for the net installer |
| 18:11.12 | *** join/#debian diadara (~diadara@117.213.51.48) |
| 18:11.12 | *** join/#debian White_Light (~Riot@76.84.90.221) |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | yes, there are |
| 18:11.21 | f8l | krz: You must be kidding me. |
| 18:11.22 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 18:11.33 | *** join/#debian Incision (~noreply@96.241.64.28) |
| 18:11.35 | ompaul | f8l: this has been spoken of ohh about .75 hours at this point |
| 18:11.35 | *** join/#debian OnlyMax (~OnlyMax@187-126-238-189.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 18:11.48 | krz | where at? f8l |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | wonders what this is .. |
| 18:11.59 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/bt-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 18:12.08 | f8l | krz: It depends which is you're trying to download. |
| 18:12.08 | abrotman | but that netinst doesn't have the firmware |
| 18:12.17 | *** join/#debian davi (davi@wilbur.25thandclement.com) |
| 18:12.18 | mumpitzel | abrotman: the firmware images are not on the debian tracker. only dht and the like afaik |
| 18:12.20 | krz | i need the one with the firmware |
| 18:12.27 | *** join/#debian davi (davi@gnu/davi) |
| 18:12.41 | f8l | ompaul: Maybe. When I came by, I only saw people throwing insults at each other. ;-) |
| 18:12.53 | ompaul | krz: and yiou have been told that is not official |
| 18:12.57 | abrotman | need? |
| 18:13.07 | *** join/#debian qman__ (~qman@66-188-36-22.static.bycy.mi.charter.com) |
| 18:13.18 | tremon | iirc, you already managed a succesful install without the firmware. All that was left was downloading the iwlwifi package so you could use your wireless network adapter |
| 18:13.27 | f8l | krz: Why the one without firmware didn't work for you? |
| 18:13.31 | *** part/#debian Alexi1 (~alexi@host-78-149-215-224.as13285.net) |
| 18:13.32 | ompaul | backs off and ignores this conversation |
| 18:13.34 | mumpitzel | abrotman: you need to spoonfeed him how to download iwlwifi and copy it over via usb stick is my guess. he couldn't do that a few hours ago apparently |
| 18:13.41 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@pdpc/supporter/active/quinput) |
| 18:13.43 | *** join/#debian MoTec (~james@unaffiliated/motec) |
| 18:13.54 | Artemis3 | as silly as it gets, why not just install the firmware package? heh |
| 18:13.56 | krz | mumpitzel: again. either you want to help or you don't. don't troll around |
| 18:14.10 | abrotman | how about everyone put everyone on ignore |
| 18:14.18 | *** join/#debian na1rb (~nairb@unaffiliated/na1rb) |
| 18:14.44 | *** join/#debian maroloccio (~marolocci@93.Red-79-146-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:16.45 | *** join/#debian capri (svedrin@ketos.funzt-halt.net) |
| 18:16.50 | f8l | Such silence… |
| 18:17.11 | *** join/#debian pythonsnake (~pythonsna@fedora/pythonsnake) |
| 18:17.22 | krz | yea best to pause and breath |
| 18:17.31 | *** join/#debian Yukiteru (~Yukiteru@unaffiliated/yukiteru) |
| 18:17.46 | f8l | krz: And wait for the download to finish? |
| 18:17.49 | krz | frustrating times pays off with good silence |
| 18:18.01 | krz | f8l: i meant, on this topic |
| 18:18.19 | krz | download is done. ill go ahead and check the md5sum |
| 18:18.42 | *** join/#debian mooperd (~anonymous@cpc3-aztw4-0-0-cust110.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 18:18.48 | f8l | krz: 200 kb/s DSL? Are you on an island or something? |
| 18:19.02 | mooperd | Im a bit confused about this output from netstat -a |
| 18:19.04 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@188-180-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 18:19.04 | mooperd | tcp4 0 0 node006.16171 node005.30528 ESTABLISHED |
| 18:19.11 | krz | something like that f8l ;-) |
| 18:19.19 | krz | on a yacht by an island |
| 18:19.29 | mooperd | node006.16171 is local node005.30528 is remote. How come they are using different ports? |
| 18:19.32 | *** join/#debian Xjs|moonshine (moon@chrysostomos.aoide.de) |
| 18:19.33 | Artemis3 | and you wonder about lost packages |
| 18:19.43 | *** join/#debian sababa (~sababa@unaffiliated/sababa) |
| 18:19.57 | abrotman | mooperd: it's connecting to 16171 on your local box, originating from port 30528 on the remote |
| 18:19.59 | f8l | mooperd: Why not? Oo. |
| 18:21.17 | mooperd | So the application on node005 opens a local(30528) port to connect to a remote port (16171) |
| 18:21.29 | krz | Artemis3: i know about packets. there are packets in the air. lots of them. thats why i prefer not to download over http. but lets not ignite this conversation again :-) |
| 18:21.34 | mooperd | I thought that you opened a connection on port 80 to connect to port 80 |
| 18:21.40 | abrotman | mooperd: nope |
| 18:21.56 | mooperd | learnt something new today |
| 18:22.02 | f8l | mooperd: You seem to lack basic knowledge on networking. ;-) |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | krz: seriously? you realize you're downloading a publicly accessible file? not a secret? |
| 18:22.18 | mooperd | f8l: I lack a lof of basic knowelege on a lot of things |
| 18:22.33 | *** join/#debian tormen (~me@lib59-1-82-225-122-122.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:22.41 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 18:22.49 | johskar | can be quite confusing for people that don't have the basics in place |
| 18:23.09 | krz | abrotman: yes. they are public packets. htats not what i meant |
| 18:23.22 | *** join/#debian iPwnd (~ipwn@bl23-108-94.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 18:23.25 | DNS | y0 is there a mysql browser for sid? |
| 18:23.30 | Artemis3 | krz, get a torrent, then md5sum? The bigger images have the firmware, such as cd1 iirc, but thats only needed if you want to install over wifi, if your nic is already working its not needed, you can always install the package after base install completes |
| 18:23.33 | *** join/#debian macroevolve (~macroevol@c-67-169-148-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:24.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell DNS about search |
| 18:24.12 | macroevolve | hi - I invoked "screen -r XXXX" - below there are several screen #s. What do I need to press to get to screen 5? |
| 18:24.18 | DNS | abrotman: i did apt-cache search |
| 18:24.19 | abrotman | Artemis3: incorrect |
| 18:24.25 | abrotman | DNS: so maybe it doesn't exist? |
| 18:24.27 | DNS | abrotman: but couldnt find one |
| 18:24.45 | frostschutz | krz, so is the checksum correct this time? |
| 18:24.55 | f8l | macroevolve: Did you read screen's manual? |
| 18:25.03 | krz | frostschutz: nope |
| 18:25.06 | macroevolve | oh n/m - i found it |
| 18:25.13 | Artemis3 | it used to be that way with squeeze anyway, the firmware files at install were on cd 1 im sure, i have done many installs |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | Artemis3: no, it was never like that |
| 18:25.32 | DNS | hm i found one |
| 18:25.49 | DNS | but what means debports? :x |
| 18:25.49 | krz | cd1 for xfce doesn't have the firmware |
| 18:25.53 | DNS | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mysql-query-browser |
| 18:25.59 | abrotman | DNS: abandoned |
| 18:26.05 | DNS | oh |
| 18:26.12 | abrotman | pretty much anyway |
| 18:26.15 | DNS | whats the successor? |
| 18:26.16 | f8l | Artemis3: Nothing non-free (theoretically) is on official Debian CDs. |
| 18:26.21 | DNS | 0_o |
| 18:26.24 | abrotman | DNS: i have no idea .. i try not to use mysql |
| 18:26.53 | abrotman | DNS: maybe try tora |
| 18:27.00 | abrotman | (i haven't used it myself, good luck) |
| 18:27.21 | Artemis3 | im possitive. Many things wouldn't install with bare netinstall (usually the lame 1gbps firmware nics) get the big image and it worked... or, the installer could ask you for a file as well, that might also help |
| 18:27.25 | DNS | checking tora |
| 18:27.44 | abrotman | Artemis3: that's okay, you're still not correct :) |
| 18:28.07 | krz | i can download the firmware at http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download, it suggests not to install packages manually though |
| 18:28.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Artemis3 about firmware |
| 18:28.22 | Artemis3 | tell krz silly |
| 18:28.25 | mumpitzel | Artemis3: if firmware is included or not has nothing to do with netinst or big image. netinstall and big image have 100% exactly the same software, especially the same kernel. so it either works with both or with none |
| 18:28.29 | abrotman | Artemis3: you're the one arguing |
| 18:28.37 | stree | youre arguing with abrotman, youre asking |
| 18:28.38 | f8l | krz: So don't. You do have a working connection, don't you? |
| 18:28.42 | Artemis3 | not an argument, testimony |
| 18:28.43 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@95.234.182.152) |
| 18:28.49 | abrotman | Artemis3: which is a lie |
| 18:28.55 | abrotman | krz: did you get the firmware ISO correctly? |
| 18:29.03 | krz | f8l: yea i do |
| 18:29.08 | Artemis3 | yes, and lenny was like that too |
| 18:29.13 | Artemis3 | very positive |
| 18:29.15 | krz | abrotman: nope. second time failed with checksum |
| 18:29.22 | abrotman | Artemis3: Believe whatever you'd like .. |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | krz: which ISO are you trying to get, what's the MD5? |
| 18:29.53 | mumpitzel | Artemis3: no it was not. there always is only one kernel in debian. not different ones (except for different architectures) |
| 18:30.01 | Artemis3 | did you forget about the blobs by default in debian? they fixed that after squeeze or something |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | no |
| 18:30.26 | *** join/#debian Linxinyu (~ClydeLin@27.151.75.79) |
| 18:30.27 | Artemis3 | i could find you the bug numberm but lets leave you believe whatever |
| 18:30.28 | mumpitzel | Artemis3: no we did not. you apparetnly did |
| 18:30.29 | abrotman | krz: which file are you downloading? |
| 18:30.31 | f8l | Artemis3: AFAIK it was a kernel's problem. |
| 18:30.46 | *** join/#debian owen1 (~oren@108-227-80-160.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:30.47 | krz | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | Artemis3: you're talking about the firmware vote, which was before lenny |
| 18:31.08 | abrotman | Artemis3: and that still only applied to some random firmwares in the kernel |
| 18:31.27 | abrotman | Artemis3: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 |
| 18:31.34 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 18:31.48 | krz | hmmm |
| 18:31.57 | krz | actually the third time it worked! |
| 18:32.01 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@pdpc/supporter/active/quinput) |
| 18:32.14 | *** join/#debian grandie (~Grandad@p57ACEC14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:32.15 | krz | checksum matches http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS 80f498a1f9daa76bc911ae13692e4495 |
| 18:32.15 | Artemis3 | krz, install then :) |
| 18:32.36 | abrotman | krz: thank goodness .. |
| 18:32.59 | krz | i think after a swim! the ocean looks too good |
| 18:33.00 | mecool | :) |
| 18:33.14 | owen1 | I try to use my external monitor with this command 'xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output HDMI-0 --auto --above LVDS' but get: 'xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1366x1366 (desired size 1366x1792)'. after rebooting my laptop i sometimes am able to run this. any ideas how to avoid rebooting every time it happens? |
| 18:33.18 | Artemis3 | filthy riches |
| 18:33.20 | f8l | krz: I'd do a memtest. Just in case… |
| 18:34.24 | frostschutz | krz, i thought you wanted the one with firmware? :P |
| 18:34.38 | frostschutz | oh well |
| 18:34.39 | *** join/#debian chalcedony` (~llhull@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 18:35.17 | f8l | owen1: Can it by any chance depend on whether the HDMI-0 was connected during X startup? |
| 18:35.32 | *** join/#debian meLon (~meLon@unaffiliated/earthmelon) |
| 18:35.44 | *** join/#debian m3g9tr0n (~magnum@ppp-94-64-114-136.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:36.18 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (~Pantagrue@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 18:36.19 | krz | frostschutz: wait a minute. wouldn't http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso no firmware? |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | krz: right, that image doesn't have firmware |
| 18:36.42 | *** join/#debian davi (davi@gnu/davi) |
| 18:36.48 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso .. this one would |
| 18:37.07 | f8l | krz: Just install it like you was told to have done, and then get the firmware afterwards. |
| 18:37.09 | krz | but thats unofficial |
| 18:37.16 | krz | thought we were gonna stay away from that one? |
| 18:37.21 | *** join/#debian abchirk (~abchirk@g229118008.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | krz: the only difference is that it has the firmware on it already .. otherwise, it's the same |
| 18:37.44 | *** join/#debian s3phir0th115 (~s3phir0th@pool-71-113-2-152.rcmdva.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:38.08 | f8l | abrotman: …except maybe some packages pushed out of the first CD? |
| 18:38.24 | abrotman | f8l: no, it's the same except the firmware |
| 18:39.03 | f8l | abrotman: So the image is bigger? OK. I assumed all images were supposed to be <650M. |
| 18:39.10 | krz | earlier, (the one who canot be named) quoted "note the big bad "UNOFFICIAL" in the url" |
| 18:39.19 | abrotman | f8l: it's still the netinst .. there's no firmware CD1, just a netinst |
| 18:39.28 | abrotman | krz: okay .. that's nice .. so what? |
| 18:39.39 | krz | suggests unofficial is bad? |
| 18:39.45 | f8l | abrotman: Ah, right. Sorry. The heat seems to blunt my mind. ;-) |
| 18:39.52 | *** join/#debian DURgod (~DURgod@2001:470:1f11:e4d:b885:e633:adca:672) |
| 18:39.59 | abrotman | krz: just use the damn firmware ISO |
| 18:40.24 | krz | lol kk |
| 18:40.40 | f8l | krz: There is more than one way to do this. (BTW, wasn't it a programming language slogan?) |
| 18:41.22 | *** join/#debian ZIPY (~quassel@unaffiliated/zipy) |
| 18:41.31 | tremon | owen1: can you try including --fb 1366x1792 ? |
| 18:41.39 | owen1 | f8l: i don't know |
| 18:41.42 | krz | f8l: yea perl motto |
| 18:41.52 | owen1 | tremon: sure. trying now |
| 18:42.40 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@unaffiliated/nvz) |
| 18:42.41 | *** part/#debian Frank81 (~Thunderbi@91-66-28-179-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:43.04 | *** join/#debian damentz (~damentz@cpe-66-69-208-122.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 18:43.06 | *** join/#debian NealJ (~Neal@82-170-253-169.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 18:43.24 | *** join/#debian LoCoZeNoz_ZUE (~LoCoZeNoz@APoitiers-651-1-192-66.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:43.40 | *** join/#debian ChipButty (~T@c-24-21-57-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:44.48 | *** join/#debian dimaursu16 (~dimon@188.138.180.180) |
| 18:44.48 | *** join/#debian JotaK2 (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 18:45.26 | owen1 | tremon: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output HDMI-0 --fb 1366x1792 --above LVDS but getting the same message |
| 18:45.31 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 18:45.36 | *** join/#debian davi (davi@gnu/davi) |
| 18:45.51 | *** join/#debian _althalus_ (~althalus@c-76-27-234-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:45.55 | *** join/#debian jgiorgi (~justin@freecode-project/hacker/jgiorgi) |
| 18:46.18 | krz | abrotman: oh yea. i almost forgot. that torrent doesn't download.. can't find a tracker |
| 18:46.39 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@174.32.161.73) |
| 18:46.40 | *** join/#debian ChrisH-Android (~fircuser@dslb-088-078-149-102.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:46.51 | krz | i think the only real way is to buy cd's |
| 18:46.59 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 18:47.06 | abrotman | no |
| 18:47.47 | krz | its downloading now actually. but how safe is this? |
| 18:48.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:49.41 | *** join/#debian KrzPi (~krizze@77.109.224.135) |
| 18:50.47 | ChrisH-Android | is listening to: " - " |
| 18:50.53 | ChrisH-Android | sorry |
| 18:50.59 | *** join/#debian GiGaHuRtZ (~GiGaHuRtZ@unaffiliated/gigahurtz) |
| 18:51.29 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 18:51.46 | GiGaHuRtZ | Hi, I haven't had any luck finding a channel for debian-wrt. Does anyone here have any experience with it? Information on it is a little sparse |
| 18:52.03 | *** join/#debian robin__ (~robin@host86-146-175-196.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:52.20 | *** join/#debian daveee123 (~daveee123@ip-209-203.oberlin.net) |
| 18:52.23 | *** join/#debian rryoumaa (~user@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:52.28 | *** join/#debian White_Light (~Riot@76.84.90.221) |
| 18:52.37 | ChrisH-Android | is using a HTC Vision running Android 2.3.3 (GRI40) |
| 18:52.48 | krz | brb |
| 18:53.45 | GiGaHuRtZ | Looks like I would just use debootstrap, and use a open firmware kernel like openwrt or tomato or something. But I would like to speak with someone that has actually done this |
| 18:54.13 | *** join/#debian semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) |
| 18:54.18 | ChrisH-Android | if I press Show Devise Info, i expected it to Show it me, Not to you. sorry again. will stop pressing buttons. |
| 18:55.54 | *** join/#debian Donman50 (~Donman50@unaffiliated/donman50) |
| 18:56.53 | *** join/#debian neon__ (~neon@bzq-79-182-174-174.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:57.01 | *** join/#debian Actreka_ (~Actreka@180.84-48-48.nextgentel.com) |
| 18:58.35 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@host-78-144-200-98.as13285.net) |
| 18:58.57 | *** join/#debian xxsashixx (~sashi@75.154.230.145) |
| 18:59.05 | *** join/#debian P0bailey (~P0bailey@unaffiliated/p0bailey) |
| 18:59.38 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 19:01.47 | *** join/#debian diytto (~diytto@24-116-151-103.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 19:01.57 | *** join/#debian unborn (~ugly@cpc9-dals15-2-0-cust229.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 19:02.29 | *** join/#debian OnlyMax (~OnlyMax@187-126-238-189.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 19:02.34 | *** join/#debian ksdncv (~ksdncv@unaffiliated/ksdncv) |
| 19:04.02 | *** join/#debian b4dave_4 (~b4dave@c-76-23-14-251.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:05.44 | *** join/#debian adellam (~adellam@pdpc/supporter/active/adellam) |
| 19:05.46 | *** join/#debian SubjectOne (~section1@78-22-166-21.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:05.55 | *** join/#debian dioz (~dioz@2001:470:d:e3::69) |
| 19:05.57 | *** join/#debian Phil-Work (~phil@phil.ipv6.propcom.co.uk) |
| 19:06.27 | *** join/#debian u-k-i-t (~u-k-i-t@cpc18-brad20-2-0-cust917.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 19:06.56 | *** join/#debian Mac101 (~Mac@host86-140-56-187.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:11.45 | Fivuk | http://pastebin.com/BdUAEeZi |
| 19:11.54 | Fivuk | ^ THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO FFS |
| 19:13.23 | mumpitzel | so DDOSed a telnet server? really? |
| 19:14.02 | Fivuk | DDOs'd no! Scanned all ciscos from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 |
| 19:14.11 | *** join/#debian Pikudoz (~Pikonas@190.235.229.94) |
| 19:14.22 | Fivuk | Time to get an offshore VPS, fuck those dicks, They won't ever get my money again |
| 19:14.24 | petn-randall | Fivuk: this might be more appropriate on #debian-offtopic. |
| 19:14.40 | qman__ | and you did that on purpose? |
| 19:14.48 | qman__ | honestly, that's grounds for termination in my book, too |
| 19:15.17 | Fivuk | of course qman__ if I had every open cisco from 0.0.0.0 that'd be a few million boxs to telnet into then I could either POD any mofo off the net of connect a few million ciscos via muhstik to any irc network and drop it |
| 19:15.19 | Fivuk | That seems fair to me. |
| 19:15.51 | qman__ | that's the very definition of abuse |
| 19:16.16 | Fivuk | Is it? Never was told in their ToS scanning boxs was abuse o.0 |
| 19:16.18 | Fivuk | lol |
| 19:16.22 | Fivuk | btw this was a joke ;) |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | !ot |
| 19:16.31 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:16.34 | *** join/#debian roger21 (~roger21@helloworld.homelinux.org) |
| 19:16.37 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~john@host81-141-166-1.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 19:16.38 | *** join/#debian owen1 (~oren@108-227-80-160.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:18.01 | roger21 | hey |
| 19:18.04 | owen1 | to whoever told me to connect hdmi-0 before reboot - you are correct. if i plug my hdmi monitor before rebooting i can use xrandr. any idea how to do that without rebooting? |
| 19:18.21 | roger21 | is there a command to display the changelog of a package? |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell roger21 about changelog |
| 19:19.15 | nvz | roger21: apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs automatically show you that kinda stuff before you install if those would be of any help |
| 19:19.42 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 19:19.58 | roger21 | thx guys |
| 19:20.23 | *** join/#debian olegfusion (~olegfusio@46.191.226.49) |
| 19:22.52 | *** join/#debian daveee123 (~daveee123@ip-209-203.oberlin.net) |
| 19:23.00 | *** join/#debian nickdaly2 (~yaaic@66-87-25-181.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 19:23.58 | *** join/#debian Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) |
| 19:25.13 | *** join/#debian angs (~ubuntu@85.235.3.52) |
| 19:25.47 | angs | what is the equivalent of /etc/sysconÂfig/network on Debian lenny? |
| 19:26.00 | *** join/#debian ChrisH-Android (~fircuser@dslb-088-078-149-102.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:26.01 | *** join/#debian greynix (~greynix@ip-46-73-57-251.bb.netbynet.ru) |
| 19:26.01 | owen1 | in order to mount my sansa (usb) i need to know it's partition. i do that with 'dmesg'. here is the output i see: 'usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd' 'usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110' 'usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110'. any idea what's going on here? |
| 19:26.04 | *** join/#debian Shadow` (~BOOYEA@94.215.189.43) |
| 19:26.05 | *** join/#debian Phil-Work` (~phil@phil.ipv6.propcom.co.uk) |
| 19:26.42 | abrotman | !tell angs about interfaces |
| 19:28.43 | angs | abrotman, http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifup says the configurations are kept on /etc/sysconfig/network and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-<configuration> but I don't have /etc/sysconfig |
| 19:29.04 | abrotman | angs: that's bwcause those man pages are from a RH box .. use the manpages.debian.net |
| 19:29.09 | nvz | owen1: sounds like you got a problem on your usb.. could be any number of things, a bad cable, bad port.. etc.. could be the usb port on the sansa, could be the cable for the sansa, could have nothing to do with the sansa as USB is a shared bus and any noise or similar problems anywhere on the bus could cause problems with other device |
| 19:29.15 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boudiccas@unaffiliated/boudiccas) |
| 19:29.30 | nvz | owen1: its something along the lines of a bad connection though somewhere more than likely |
| 19:30.02 | *** join/#debian rryoumaa (~user@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 19:30.06 | *** join/#debian maroloccio (~marolocci@93.Red-79-146-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:30.24 | *** join/#debian jklaz (~jklaz@79.103.24.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 19:30.37 | nvz | owen1: if it were me I'd start with the device and port in question, look for corrosion or damage to the ports on both ends, try a different cable.. try a different port, try removing other USB devices from the system..etc |
| 19:30.48 | angs | abrotman, thank you. I |
| 19:30.59 | owen1 | nvz: sweet! i'll do that |
| 19:32.04 | *** join/#debian marcrs_nb (~marc@dslb-188-096-189-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:32.54 | *** join/#debian Amanas (~Amanas@c-24-128-204-226.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:34.36 | *** join/#debian nielsle (~nielsle@3239149-cl69.boa.fiberby.dk) |
| 19:34.42 | owen1 | nvz: i just plugged-in another usb device with the same cable and it recognized it so the cable and the laptop is fine. maybe it's an issue with the sansa. |
| 19:34.50 | nvz | owen1: basically though the meaning of the error is that it cannot read the descriptor from the device which tells it what protocol, how much data, the speed..etc all the info needed to negotiate the connection it cannot read from the device but its connected enough to know there is a device there just can't read it |
| 19:35.09 | nvz | owen1: so yeah the sansa could be damaged.. I've seen it happen with thumbdrives even as they age |
| 19:35.17 | *** join/#debian nmistry (~nmistry@cpe-173-173-119-141.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 19:36.34 | ChrisH-Android | I had this with my Dad's printer, too. powercycle the printer fixed it most times. and reseating the cables. |
| 19:37.11 | nvz | owen1: error 110 specifically refers to a falure of the bus to provide enough power to the device in question |
| 19:37.35 | nvz | owen1: which is why I mentioned it being a shared bus and perhaps unplugging other devices.. if its a laptop putting it on AC might help |
| 19:37.55 | owen1 | nvz: good news, now my sansa is recognizid and i was able to mount it. WTF |
| 19:37.57 | *** join/#debian nsgn (~nsgn@cpe-24-28-25-43.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 19:38.21 | ZIPY | is it possible to install from contrib without adding it to sources? |
| 19:38.41 | nsgn | alright, so i had too many issues with the super old atom i was running on earlier. now toying with debian on an atom d2500. it supports speedstep and i have it enabled in the bios but..when i try cpufrequtils it tells me there are no modules available for my cpu. am i missing something? |
| 19:38.47 | abrotman | ZIPY: you can download the packages individually |
| 19:38.48 | nvz | ZIPY: yeah if you wanna manually wget the packages and install em by hand with dpkg.. but why would you? |
| 19:39.04 | abrotman | ZIPY: though, some of those depend on packges in non-free |
| 19:39.32 | *** join/#debian carif (~mcarifio@cpe-74-78-54-137.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 19:39.37 | ZIPY | i dont like gnash, only want to install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | so get it |
| 19:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1251] by debhelper |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | (also note, there is lightspark also( |
| 19:40.32 | ZIPY | ok ill try out that one first |
| 19:40.52 | nvz | owen1: they make these cables that look kind of like a usb extension cable that take up two ports on the machine and have one port to plug something into on the other end.. the reason for that is it draws power from the 2nd port allowing more power to go to the device.. its often used for things like a USB burner for example.. it addresses issues like error 110 for future reference. |
| 19:41.09 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 19:42.03 | nvz | I personally use one when I hook a USB hub to my laptop and plug multiple devices in or when I use really long or multiple extension cables |
| 19:42.05 | owen1 | nvz: can u link to such cable please? |
| 19:44.02 | nvz | owen1: http://compare.ebay.com/like/390175349100?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar |
| 19:44.35 | nvz | owen1: one of the two male ends is for power/data and the other is just to draw an additional 500ma power into the cable |
| 19:45.46 | *** join/#debian Yukiteru (~Yukiteru@unaffiliated/yukiteru) |
| 19:46.08 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 19:46.31 | owen1 | nvz: do u think as my laptop gets old, it will likely happen more since it's battery is not as strong? |
| 19:46.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:46.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:46.38 | nvz | another way to go about it is to use an active hub or cable that has its own power supply |
| 19:47.11 | owen1 | abrotman: nice! |
| 19:47.21 | nsgn | well..how do i even tell if acpi is working on my system in debian? |
| 19:47.23 | *** join/#debian spudwebb (~spuddweb@c-24-147-245-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:47.56 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 19:48.18 | *** join/#debian rage7 (~rage@hel59-4-88-160-125-53.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:48.23 | nvz | owen1: well I doubt it.. but I do know laptops especially do power saving of all kinds and likely try to reduce the power consumption in lots of different areas.. just keep in mind USB is a shared bus.. the power, the data, everything.. when someone quotes you a data transfer rate of a USB device thats actually the bandwidth of that USB version TOTAL.. and in a laptop you may have a SD card reader, webcam, etc all on the bus internally plus everything you plug i |
| 19:48.29 | *** join/#debian isay (3ee97efd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.233.126.253) |
| 19:48.52 | Yukiteru | hi everybody!!! I have a little problem with lightdm, this take very long time in appear and my pc stay with black screen, somebody knows of this problem??? |
| 19:49.26 | abrotman | nvidia card? |
| 19:49.32 | *** join/#debian ins3 (~ins3@krzysztof.gayhotelsgreece.com) |
| 19:49.37 | Yukiteru | yes!! |
| 19:49.43 | owen1 | nvz: got it. thanks a lot for elaborating on each response. |
| 19:49.45 | Yukiteru | nvidia + nouveau |
| 19:49.54 | *** join/#debian tekkbuzz (~oijvlj@unaffiliated/tekkbuzz) |
| 19:50.12 | nvz | owen1: well these kinds of errors are vague and I just happened to know a thing or two about em :-P |
| 19:50.39 | angs | why do I get such output "Reconfiguring network interfaces...if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface wlan0 before doing NFS mounts (warning)." when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 19:50.55 | Yukiteru | i see the logs but nothing appears ¿¿?? |
| 19:51.17 | isay | Which IRC client would you recommend? |
| 19:51.44 | Yukiteru | isay: weechat rulz!! :) |
| 19:51.54 | *** join/#debian Tjati (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/tjati) |
| 19:52.04 | nvz | isay: I like irssi because its text based and runs nicely in screen and via ssh.. depends on what your needs are I suppose |
| 19:52.04 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~john@host81-141-160-95.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 19:52.09 | *** join/#debian tav1 (~tav@86.127.153.131) |
| 19:52.10 | jklaz | xchat |
| 19:52.58 | *** join/#debian dyCrazyEd (~sinkhead@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 19:54.00 | nvz | isay: for this reason you seen demonstrated here you should be more specific about your needs rather than doing opinion polls cause the other two responses didn't even bother to elaborate on the usefulness of their suggestions |
| 19:54.02 | owen1 | i try to setup raid1+lvm by following this tutorial - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot. here are screenshots of my current state - http://i.imgur.com/dgMElzP.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/BSol8qC.jpg. 2 questions - i don't understand how to partition my drive (swap and whatever else is needed) and i also don't know what partition to chose for the root FS. i suspect it's the second line |
| 19:54.04 | owen1 | (the one that say #1 249.GB) but i am not sure. any help would be appreciated! |
| 19:54.34 | owen1 | isay: weechat |
| 19:56.09 | *** join/#debian LainOfTheWired (~lainotw@76.27.38.93) |
| 19:56.49 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 19:57.07 | angs | is /etc/init.d/wpa-ifupdown a standard script? |
| 19:57.15 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | standard how? |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | angs: what howto are you reading? |
| 19:58.40 | angs | I am checking the scripts on /etc/init.d , I see that there is a script called /etc/init.d/wpa-ifupdown |
| 19:58.53 | angs | I wonder if it comes with Debian or it comes with wpa_supplicant |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | !tell angs about apt-file |
| 19:59.23 | Fivuk | debian 6 letters. |
| 19:59.27 | *** join/#debian verysoftoiletppr (~verysofto@unaffiliated/softtoiletpaper) |
| 19:59.31 | Fivuk | gentoo 6 letters. |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | Fivuk: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 20:00.22 | Fivuk | Sorry whoops. - wrong window |
| 20:01.16 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-212-186.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 20:01.23 | *** part/#debian ChrisH-Android (~fircuser@dslb-088-078-149-102.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:01.49 | *** join/#debian althalus_ (~althalus@c-76-27-234-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:02.22 | *** join/#debian LnxBil_ (~LnxBil@mue-88-130-62-067.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 20:02.26 | *** join/#debian winsen (~winsen_m@90.84.144.10) |
| 20:02.30 | *** join/#debian winsen (~winsen_m@unaffiliated/winsen) |
| 20:02.53 | *** join/#debian danecando (~danecando@c-98-249-250-92.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:04.20 | LnxBil_ | Hi folks! I'm using Wheezy with Xen on an AMD muATX board with a sky2 network card (onboard) and the system get stuck (literally, CPU got Stuck). I have the complete dmesg output via serial console. Where can I file a bug report and against what? Problem only occurs on Wheezy + Wheezy Kernel + Wheezy Xen 4.1 (also unstable Xen 4.2 and wheezy-backports 3.9 bpo) |
| 20:04.41 | *** join/#debian mechanicalduck (~mechanica@37-1-160-200.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 20:05.15 | *** join/#debian RaphaelT (~RaphaelT@ret08-1-88-182-200-157.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:05.17 | LnxBil_ | (got stuck while using network. If I disable the module sky2, everything works as expected) |
| 20:05.33 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-219-43.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 20:05.40 | *** join/#debian adb (~IonMoldom@22-56.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 20:05.59 | *** join/#debian jstnc (jstnc@nat/rackspace/x-kwapokukldonjovh) |
| 20:06.14 | abrotman | file a bug against the kernel |
| 20:06.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell LnxBil_ about reportbug |
| 20:06.28 | angs | abrotman, I have two wifi interfaces and have a generic setting http://pastebin.com/NDmwATWN but it includes nothing about wpa_supplicant. I use wpa_supplicant (2.0) manually to connect them to a WLAN via /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf (for wlan0) and /etc/wpa_supplicant2.conf (for wlan1). while the wifi interfaces are connected to WLANs. I do ip link set wlan0/1 down then remove /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0 and wlan1. Then I do /etc/init.d/networking restart. when |
| 20:06.28 | angs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.51 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 20:06.52 | *** join/#debian LoCoZeNoz_ZUE (~LoCoZeNoz@APoitiers-651-1-192-66.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:06.56 | LnxBil_ | abrotman: Okay, linux-image. Thank you |
| 20:07.16 | *** join/#debian amarshall (~ant@ec2-54-247-135-118.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) |
| 20:08.07 | *** join/#debian nse (~leo@187.59.243.9) |
| 20:08.12 | angs | . /etc/init.d/networking restart scripts include only ifdown and ifup the interfaces. I read on the ifup manpage (the debian one you linked) says that ifup uses the configurations on /etc/networking/interfaces . however, I don't have any wpa_supplicant definition on that file |
| 20:08.50 | abrotman | angs: sorry, i've been using n-m to manage my wifi interfaces |
| 20:09.37 | angs | ok, thank you. |
| 20:09.45 | *** join/#debian ribamar (~ribamar@177.134.194.114) |
| 20:11.38 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~john@host86-190-89-73.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 20:11.56 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 20:12.01 | owen1 | i am partitioning my disks as part of raid1+lvm. i noticed a checkbox: bootable flag. i switched it to 'on' on both of the drives that are part of the raid1. is that what i should have done? |
| 20:12.07 | *** join/#debian anchorspark (ancrsprk@iceland.sdf.org) |
| 20:12.28 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@host143-37-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:12.51 | *** join/#debian jehan (~jehan@kiel4-dmz.gis.de) |
| 20:12.56 | *** join/#debian crafty1 (~crafty1@64-121-36-132.c3-0.tlg-ubr1.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com) |
| 20:13.08 | epsilon | turn it on where /boot is contained |
| 20:13.14 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@host-78-147-224-70.as13285.net) |
| 20:13.14 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 20:13.35 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@244-79-245-190.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 20:14.05 | nsgn | bah, i can't remember the name of a handy package that would list startup modules/services on debian and let me toggle them on/off |
| 20:14.08 | marcusk | Or /boot/efi if you're using UEFI |
| 20:14.25 | *** join/#debian strainwrld (~farfar@a95-95-146-33.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:14.39 | owen1 | epsilon: not sure i understand what it means (/boot is contained) |
| 20:14.42 | stree | owen1 mount /boot |
| 20:14.57 | owen1 | i want 2 drives to be raid1 and i want debian to be the os on them. |
| 20:15.15 | isay | nvz: thanks, i just want to know what people are using. yes an opinion poll |
| 20:15.17 | *** join/#debian strixbg (~asd@93.123.41.167) |
| 20:15.23 | *** join/#debian tBKwtWS (~tBKwtWS@82-170-38-30.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 20:15.40 | owen1 | stree: let me try. i believe there is a way to run commands from the installer. 1 sec |
| 20:15.40 | anchorspark | has anyone ever set mdadm to mirror a whole drive instead of a partition? I just did |
| 20:15.56 | joltcan | owen1: the bootable flag is just to tell other OS's that they could be booted, grub doesn't care |
| 20:16.12 | anchorspark | now its complaining that it has two drives indexed as 0 hehe |
| 20:16.19 | *** join/#debian WebSearchingPro (~WebSearch@172.245.217.121) |
| 20:16.47 | owen1 | joltcan: ok. does it mean i can turn it to 'off'? |
| 20:16.55 | nsgn | nevermind. rcconf. found it. |
| 20:17.33 | *** join/#debian pitelpan (~panagioti@79.103.245.163.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 20:17.49 | *** join/#debian pitelpan (~panagioti@unaffiliated/pitelpan) |
| 20:17.54 | Th0masR0ss | What's GDM's package? |
| 20:18.04 | abrotman | Th0masR0ss: aptitude search gdm ? |
| 20:18.30 | Th0masR0ss | abrotman: er. Fail on my part. Forgot to modify sources.list lol |
| 20:18.49 | *** join/#debian jarray52 (~purplehaz@71.202.102.140) |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | lolindeed ... |
| 20:20.00 | *** join/#debian Xiti` (~Xiti-@c-71-63-111-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 20:20.11 | *** join/#debian aCovaTelmos (~morcego-h@136.51.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 20:20.23 | joltcan | owen1: yes, but it doesn't matter. As long as grub is installed you will be able to boot |
| 20:21.23 | nsgn | well i have no idea what i am doing wrong. i have a speedstep capable intel processor but it wont work in debian (the stepping part, that is) |
| 20:22.55 | *** join/#debian acu (~acu@96-42-248-177.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:23.05 | *** join/#debian Shirakawasuna (~Shirakawa@184-77-202-94.war.clearwire-wmx.net) |
| 20:24.23 | owen1 | joltcan: awesome. when i hit 'finish partitioning' i see 'no root file system is defined'. do i need to go back and edit partition #1 of LVM VG vg1, LV foobar_root? currently it say 'Use as: do not use'. maybe i need to change it to ext4? http://i.imgur.com/dgMElzP.jpg |
| 20:25.13 | owen1 | basicaly, how to define a root file system and what partition should i define it on? |
| 20:25.44 | *** join/#debian tuunii (~tuunii@114.79.1.194) |
| 20:25.52 | *** join/#debian andatche (~andatche@mule.andatche.com) |
| 20:28.02 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben__@118-92-212-186.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 20:29.02 | *** join/#debian greynix (~greynix@ip-46-73-57-251.bb.netbynet.ru) |
| 20:29.40 | tremon | owen1: what you said. edit the LV, use as (some filesystem), mountpoint / |
| 20:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1257] by debhelper |
| 20:30.05 | *** join/#debian waqstar (~waqstar@noc.dc1.as20860.net) |
| 20:30.15 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~john@host81-141-160-126.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 20:31.10 | *** join/#debian pff (~Icedove@lns-bzn-45-82-65-175-14.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 20:33.31 | owen1 | tremon: will my server be slow since i didn't define swap or any partitioning on my logical volume (i don't know how)? |
| 20:34.19 | *** join/#debian marc_smith (marc@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-ozugxquffzkgbikw) |
| 20:34.21 | tremon | no, I don't see how that affects the speed of your system. |
| 20:34.40 | tremon | you don't partition logical volumes, you just create multiple of them within the same volume group |
| 20:35.07 | ZIPY | can someone assist me installing the latest beta driver for my gpu: amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-6-beta-x86.x86_64.run? |
| 20:35.13 | tremon | if you created one logical volume of 100% size, it's expected that you can't create a second one |
| 20:35.20 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 20:37.11 | Th0masR0ss | As soon as I try to connect to wireless via Xfce, it disconnects immediately |
| 20:37.41 | *** join/#debian vectra (~vectra@173.183.176.233) |
| 20:37.44 | owen1 | tremon: ok. i see 'f ext4 /' i guess it means root fs on / |
| 20:37.46 | *** join/#debian cardiel (~cardiel@unaffiliated/cardiel) |
| 20:37.47 | owen1 | thanks! |
| 20:38.21 | cardiel | someone know which software should i use for controlling a running gnome session? |
| 20:38.22 | owen1 | i left mount options the defualt. all unchecked. |
| 20:38.26 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (~decolleta@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 20:38.27 | *** join/#debian galant (~galant@77.28.2.170) |
| 20:38.37 | Th0masR0ss | it doesn't even prompt for a password(the network has one) |
| 20:39.00 | *** part/#debian pff (~Icedove@lns-bzn-45-82-65-175-14.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 20:39.42 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | ZIPY: ask #amd or read the instructions they provide |
| 20:40.35 | *** join/#debian ankso__ (~conf@178.23.78.140) |
| 20:40.50 | *** join/#debian Vsim (~Vsim@adsl-75-26-169-174.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:41.19 | *** join/#debian motto (~mor@host143-37-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:41.30 | Th0masR0ss | I have no idea why. |
| 20:41.41 | *** join/#debian submerged (~submerged@50.59.173.22) |
| 20:42.32 | *** join/#debian tabris|away (~northman@unaffiliated/tabris) |
| 20:42.32 | *** join/#debian piklu (~om@117.220.40.88) |
| 20:42.53 | piklu | We are looking to make a service that allows you to control your server by sending a SMS message |
| 20:42.53 | tremon | owen1: yes, that's fine. There aren't many options you can safely choose for the / filesystem anyway |
| 20:42.56 | piklu | is that cool ? |
| 20:43.05 | *** join/#debian Sambler (~OKASO@unaffiliated/sambler) |
| 20:43.18 | *** join/#debian dtcrshr (~dataCrshr@187.39.85.126) |
| 20:43.19 | *** join/#debian dtcrshr (~dataCrshr@unaffiliated/datacrusher) |
| 20:44.03 | *** join/#debian AciD` (~gni@jau72-5-78-223-56-21.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:45.23 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@233.58.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 20:45.31 | ZIPY | abrotman: its running already, i just have problems changing to dualmonitor and overscan, its running in cloning mode |
| 20:47.01 | Th0masR0ss | Anyone able to help? |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | no? |
| 20:47.43 | waqstar | lol |
| 20:48.07 | ZIPY | abrotman: you are so mean -.- |
| 20:48.25 | *** join/#debian luese (~luese@HSI-KBW-078-043-097-091.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 20:48.46 | *** join/#debian socomm (~socomm@96-40-132-102.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 20:48.57 | *** join/#debian Known_problems (~Known_pro@177.27.213.122) |
| 20:49.53 | *** join/#debian nickdaly (~yaaic@68-118-159-192.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 20:49.54 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 20:50.31 | *** join/#debian ekki (~eder@13.83-213-37.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 20:51.07 | Th0masR0ss | Hello? |
| 20:51.18 | humle | Hi Th0masR0ss |
| 20:51.35 | waqstar | hello there |
| 20:51.56 | humle | hi waqstar |
| 20:52.04 | waqstar | hi humle |
| 20:52.12 | humle | Th0masR0ss: whats your issue? |
| 20:52.30 | *** join/#debian tabris|away (~northman@unaffiliated/tabris) |
| 20:53.12 | *** join/#debian anonymuouss (~blacore@unafffiliated/anonymuouss) |
| 20:53.27 | humle | Th0masR0ss: have you traid service network-manager restart ? |
| 20:53.42 | Th0masR0ss | humle: wireless not even prompting for password. |
| 20:53.42 | Th0masR0ss | Disconnects immediately |
| 20:53.43 | *** part/#debian cardiel (~cardiel@unaffiliated/cardiel) |
| 20:53.58 | humle | And dosent say why ? |
| 20:54.13 | humle | Does it popup agin for wpa handshake key? |
| 20:54.37 | Th0masR0ss | humle: doesn't do anything. Just says its disconnecte. |
| 20:54.48 | waqstar | try a restart of network manager |
| 20:54.55 | *** join/#debian StaticLNX (~Static@cpe-172-251-88-73.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 20:55.00 | Th0masR0ss | Did that, multiple reboots, nothing. |
| 20:55.05 | humle | i would try that to Th0masR0ss |
| 20:55.15 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 20:55.48 | Th0masR0ss | humle: nothing. |
| 20:55.59 | waqstar | Can you disable authentication and try that? |
| 20:56.03 | Th0masR0ss | er |
| 20:56.20 | Th0masR0ss | I'm using the xfce Internet thingy |
| 20:56.37 | humle | Th0masR0ss: can you do i iwlist scan |
| 20:56.42 | humle | *a |
| 20:57.29 | humle | perhaps even do a 'iwlist scan | grep WIFINAMEHERE |
| 20:57.31 | humle | perhaps even do a 'iwlist scan | grep WIFINAMEHERE' |
| 20:59.38 | abrotman | he needs to give a device IIRC |
| 20:59.53 | *** join/#debian serjs (~serjs@79.164.31.179) |
| 21:00.19 | humle | Th0masR0ss: lspci does your device show up |
| 21:00.42 | *** join/#debian nullby7e (~null@unaffiliated/nullby7e) |
| 21:06.02 | *** join/#debian BackEndCoder (~steve@93.89.81.216) |
| 21:07.23 | *** join/#debian dnai23 (~daniel@HSI-KBW-078-043-137-094.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 21:07.51 | *** join/#debian _Paul (~Paul@p5DE8977F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:08.05 | *** join/#debian HazardX (~HazardX3@c-24-91-255-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:08.14 | *** join/#debian babilen (~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 21:08.35 | *** join/#debian jkamp (~josh@unixcorps/staff/quiet) |
| 21:09.27 | angs | if I change a static IP for wlan0 on /etc/network/interfaces, is it possible to update the info without down and up the interface, like ip link set wlan down or ifdown wlan0 |
| 21:09.54 | angs | please note that I am not asking an alternative way to change the ip addr, like ip addr add.. etc. |
| 21:09.56 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~kot@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 21:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1250] by debhelper |
| 21:10.44 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 21:12.44 | *** join/#debian edju (~edju@75-39-106-129.lightspeed.dtrtmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:12.56 | *** join/#debian pff (~Icedove@lns-bzn-45-82-65-175-14.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 21:13.02 | *** join/#debian bollullera (~anuxi@89.7.24.109) |
| 21:13.05 | *** join/#debian Kyshtynbai (~chudik@195.91.229.65) |
| 21:13.55 | *** join/#debian dep_ (~marcus@c253-148-70-80.bjare.net) |
| 21:14.08 | *** part/#debian pff (~Icedove@lns-bzn-45-82-65-175-14.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 21:15.01 | *** join/#debian Streusel (~Streusel@unaffiliated/streusel) |
| 21:20.04 | *** join/#debian Worf (~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 21:21.28 | *** join/#debian asulil (~winsen_m@90.84.144.10) |
| 21:21.35 | *** join/#debian Guest24036 (~agent@grm-studby-128-39-149-158.studby.uia.no) |
| 21:22.38 | anchorspark | i have two drives in raid 1. grub is now complaining that both drives are indexed as 0. Google searches show that there is a bug but looks to be unrelated. |
| 21:22.39 | owen1 | i am booting my debian and see: GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: file not found. entering rescue mode... i type 'ls' and see hd0,msdos5 and hd0,msdos1 and tried ls (hd0,msdos5)/ and ls (hd0,msdos1)/ but i get 'error: bad filename' |
| 21:22.39 | *** join/#debian bazhang_ (~bazhang@unaffiliated/bazhang) |
| 21:24.01 | *** join/#debian dh0ks (~stefan@ip-178-203-195-5.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 21:24.59 | *** join/#debian nsgn (~nsgn@cpe-24-28-25-43.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 21:25.16 | nsgn | annnd on a fresh install of debian X won't start. i get "ignoring device with a bound kernel driver" when i run startx |
| 21:26.24 | nsgn | this is the first time i think i've ever had a fairly ordinary pc just not go into x on a fresh of debian |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | how did you install X? |
| 21:27.30 | nsgn | abrotman, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:28.18 | nsgn | abrotman, admittedly havent done this in a while. am i out of date or is that not the way to..install the x window system |
| 21:28.24 | *** join/#debian mrrothhcloud___ (uid4697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riveptngbrlrcppr) |
| 21:28.43 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@188-180-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 21:28.50 | Jckf | So, I'm (un)lucky enough to have an old nForce 4 motherboard. I'm trying to use the onboard NIC, but the forcedeth driver is giving me a lot of crap. The card will work just fine if it's brough up during boot, but if I cycle it with ifdown && ifup, it will stop working, and will spam my local network with traffic, which causes my router to die |
| 21:29.15 | Jckf | Are there any alternatives to forcedeth, or should I just burn my house down, as I'm pretty much ready to do so |
| 21:29.18 | Jckf | at this point |
| 21:29.46 | Jckf | Wheezy btw |
| 21:29.52 | nsgn | abrotman, its an intel gma graphics chip. upon checking debian already had installed the latest xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:30.09 | *** join/#debian tormen (~me@lib59-1-82-225-122-122.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:30.47 | *** join/#debian sc0 (~sc0@unaffiliated/sc0) |
| 21:31.00 | owen1 | anyone knows what do do with 'file not found' error when booting? |
| 21:31.35 | Jckf | Which file? When during boot? Your problem description is lacking |
| 21:31.36 | *** part/#debian sc0 (~sc0@unaffiliated/sc0) |
| 21:31.40 | *** join/#debian Java_Nunes (~Neymar@189-69-104-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 21:31.58 | owen1 | Jckf: i see GRUB loading. welcome to GRUB! |
| 21:32.08 | owen1 | and than the error. |
| 21:32.10 | Java_Nunes | uhu cade o Amarildo! |
| 21:32.18 | owen1 | i typed 'ls' and see some stuff like |
| 21:32.26 | owen1 | hd0,msdos5 |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | nsgn: aptitude install xorg |
| 21:32.47 | owen1 | but typing ls (hd0,msdos5)/ tells me 'error: bad filename' |
| 21:32.50 | nsgn | abrotman, ah. standby. testing |
| 21:32.58 | nsgn | abrotman, how the heck was i so out of date on that? :D |
| 21:33.20 | abrotman | nsgn: dunno, it's been three releases where that's the package |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | I think three |
| 21:33.49 | nsgn | abrotman, well..i did apt-get install xorg and am told its already installed and latest |
| 21:33.58 | nsgn | should i strip and retry or is there a different issue |
| 21:34.12 | owen1 | Jckf: ^ |
| 21:34.17 | pythonsnake | is it possible to wipe the gpt part of a hdd in a system without using another system? |
| 21:34.46 | *** join/#debian nbca (~phraktal@94.23.62.135) |
| 21:35.01 | pythonsnake | like clean the hdd in a system |
| 21:35.32 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@212-149-213-33.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 21:35.34 | pythonsnake | and i cant boot from usb/cd/network |
| 21:35.37 | *** join/#debian ineedarobot (~ineedarob@cpc3-walt12-2-0-cust6.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 21:35.50 | nbca | I downloaded the daily testing netinstall and it won't allow me to get past the prompt about a CD-drive. I downloaded the iso, dd'd it to a memstick and loaded it. Have I done something wrong? |
| 21:35.51 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@fsf/member/pipeep) |
| 21:35.52 | *** join/#debian bitwave (~bitwave@c-68-47-12-21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 21:36.19 | *** part/#debian Lolla (~LollaCorn@87-194-56-210.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:36.24 | *** join/#debian Daulity (~duality@ip4da2c95a.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 21:36.43 | *** join/#debian mczhb_ (~mczhb@p5B3DE725.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:36.47 | Daulity | can i make the backlight use less power ? or is dimming all i can do ? |
| 21:36.47 | nsgn | bah screw it. i'm doing a fresh install |
| 21:36.47 | *** join/#debian tekkbuzz (~oijvlj@unaffiliated/tekkbuzz) |
| 21:36.53 | abrotman | nsgn: probably a different issue |
| 21:37.03 | *** join/#debian yan (~yan@1-170-74-32.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 21:37.20 | *** join/#debian yawas (~row@bband-dyn198.178-41-160.t-com.sk) |
| 21:37.28 | nsgn | abrotman, yeah i'm doing a fresh install and gonna let the debian installer take a crack at setting up x for me. had no data on this thing anyway |
| 21:37.33 | frostschutz | nbca, the cd image really only works with cd |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | nsgn: okay |
| 21:37.59 | waqstar | angs, i do not know of any way you can do that. you have to restart the interfaces |
| 21:38.10 | nbca | Since when, when debian 7 was testing it worked just fine.. |
| 21:38.19 | abrotman | nbca: if you want to install testing, install stable, then upgrade .. that testing installer is to test the installer, not install testing |
| 21:38.59 | frostschutz | nbca, then you were more lucky than I was cause it never worked for me, but the hd-media and/or netbook works just fine so that's okay |
| 21:39.06 | frostschutz | s/netbook/netboot/ |
| 21:39.12 | nbca | Ok.. since when did you change that? On prior occasions I just installed it with the testing iso |
| 21:39.32 | abrotman | nbca: change what? |
| 21:39.39 | *** join/#debian alexei_ (~amgarchin@p4FD60FB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:39.58 | *** join/#debian Alphanerd (~Alphanrd@ALille-653-1-517-130.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:40.15 | nbca | abrotman: the fact that you had to install stable then upgrade, you used to be able to just download and install from a testing install media. |
| 21:40.38 | abrotman | nbca: it's always been that way .. sometimes you're lucky, sometimes not .. when it's closer to release time, you have a higher chance of success |
| 21:40.57 | *** join/#debian lucas451 (~lucas@190.194.17.120) |
| 21:41.00 | angs | waqstar, thanks |
| 21:41.06 | *** join/#debian dbristow (~dbristow@nylug/member/dbristow) |
| 21:41.09 | nbca | Fantastic.. |
| 21:41.18 | *** join/#debian trifolio6 (~h@62.43.62.203.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:41.45 | *** join/#debian bernat (~bernat@156.Red-88-11-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:41.49 | *** join/#debian iPwnd_ (~ipwn@bl16-100-22.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 21:42.00 | nbca | A word of advice would be to put this on the install page for testing instead of linking to dysfunctional images. |
| 21:42.02 | *** part/#debian nbca (~phraktal@94.23.62.135) |
| 21:42.21 | *** part/#debian yawas (~row@bband-dyn198.178-41-160.t-com.sk) |
| 21:42.30 | abrotman | or do the sane thing to begin with ... |
| 21:42.46 | Devastator | heheh, testing is for testing, he could report that installer version X is not working |
| 21:43.30 | *** join/#debian harobed_ (~stephane-@sab57-2-82-236-241-203.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:44.56 | ZIPY | hey, how can i start multiple applications from quick launch bar without leaving the overview after i selected the first one |
| 21:45.19 | *** join/#debian Joschii (~joschii@82.113.121.90) |
| 21:46.22 | peterrooney | the debian project's use of testing has to be the second most misunderstood idiom in computing. |
| 21:46.58 | Devastator | right, they just don't get it |
| 21:47.35 | *** join/#debian scootypuff (~barbs@pool-71-170-159-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:48.55 | *** join/#debian galant (~galant@unaffiliated/dekiss) |
| 21:49.22 | *** join/#debian MachinaeWolf (~MarioMast@unaffiliated/machinaewolf) |
| 21:49.46 | MachinaeWolf | How can I let my siblings shutdown and reboot the computer without giving them sudo priviledges? |
| 21:49.59 | abrotman | give them root? |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: /etc/shutdown.allow |
| 21:50.32 | MachinaeWolf | I don't want them to break the system so wouldn't giving them root be worse than giving them sudo...? |
| 21:50.54 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: but usually, they just would need to logout to the gdm/kdm/whateverdm .. then use the system menu from there |
| 21:50.58 | *** join/#debian rryoumaa (~user@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:51.16 | MachinaeWolf | well since they don't have sudo they can't start the login manager... |
| 21:51.32 | MachinaeWolf | and /etc/shutodwn.allow doesn't exist on the machine... |
| 21:51.34 | abrotman | it shuld start when the system boots? |
| 21:51.47 | abrotman | you'd have to create the shutdown.allow |
| 21:52.05 | humle | MachinaeWol They will never learn without root. Did you have root as a child ? :) |
| 21:52.18 | MachinaeWolf | lol I didn't know linux then so no |
| 21:52.33 | humle | How about on your windows then :)? |
| 21:52.40 | MachinaeWolf | and the pi breaks pretty easily... |
| 21:52.40 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: aren't you using gdm or similar? |
| 21:52.47 | MachinaeWolf | nah it's got lightdm on it |
| 21:53.08 | abrotman | and it has no system menu? |
| 21:53.30 | MachinaeWolf | It's got a deal that quits openbox but uh it doesn't shutdown the machine or reboot... |
| 21:53.41 | abrotman | a deal? |
| 21:54.50 | MachinaeWolf | menu option that's apparently specific to openbox... |
| 21:54.50 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 21:54.50 | MachinaeWolf | well that's all it does |
| 21:54.50 | owen1 | i am booting my debian and see: GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: file not found. entering rescue mode... i type 'ls' and see hd0,msdos5 and hd0,msdos1 and tried ls (hd0,msdos5)/ and ls (hd0,msdos1)/ but i get 'error: unknown filesystem' |
| 21:54.50 | *** join/#debian arare_ (~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 21:54.51 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/l/lightdm/9743_large.png .. see the menu in the top right ? |
| 21:55.06 | MachinaeWolf | yeah but that doesn't load on startx... |
| 21:55.10 | ctmjr | MachinaeWolf: you mean pi as raspberry pi |
| 21:55.24 | MachinaeWolf | and starting lightdm requires sudo service lightdm start |
| 21:55.36 | MachinaeWolf | ctmjr: nah I got rid of that user, didn't need it |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: so don't use startx .. |
| 21:55.45 | MachinaeWolf | then it does nothing XD |
| 21:55.47 | abrotman | MachinaeWolf: otherwise, use shutdown.allow |
| 21:56.04 | abrotman | you've been given two answers .. surely you can make one of them work |
| 21:56.31 | MachinaeWolf | just put a username in /etc/shutdown.allow? |
| 21:56.42 | abrotman | man shutdown .. see what it says |
| 21:57.00 | *** join/#debian pkv (~pkv@liv26-1-88-167-196-149.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:57.05 | *** join/#debian mpmc (~mpmc@unaffiliated/mpmc) |
| 21:57.20 | *** join/#debian ChipButty (~T@c-24-20-23-165.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1243] by debhelper |
| 22:00.22 | *** join/#debian dancus (~dancus@dynamic-adsl-94-34-185-176.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 22:01.19 | MachinaeWolf | abrotman: that works but how do you shutdown immediately? |
| 22:01.24 | MachinaeWolf | It says must have a time argument |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | now |
| 22:01.38 | abrotman | man shutdown |
| 22:01.45 | MachinaeWolf | I did that it still says it needs one... |
| 22:03.59 | Th0masR0ss | MachinaeWolf: shutdown now |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | man shutdown ... |
| 22:03.59 | MachinaeWolf | time or --time? |
| 22:03.59 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: did you use "shutdown -h now"... but abrotman's answer is better, "man shutdown" |
| 22:03.59 | MachinaeWolf | no I used shutdown -ahP now |
| 22:03.59 | MachinaeWolf | which should use that /etc/shutdown.allow and power completely off |
| 22:03.59 | *** join/#debian Gazpaxxo (~bizarro_1@171.Red-83-49-224.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:04.16 | *** join/#debian _tremo (~tremo@wurzeldiener.jfreitag.de) |
| 22:04.25 | MachinaeWolf | Also even with that -a and adding the username to the list it still says must be root to do it :/ |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | would have gone for the lightdm route .. so much easier |
| 22:05.07 | MachinaeWolf | well lightdm doesn't autostart in the .xinitrc ... |
| 22:05.10 | MachinaeWolf | I've tried |
| 22:05.27 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: don't use .xinitrc with a dm |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | so use .xsession like oyu're supposed to |
| 22:05.33 | *** join/#debian nick21 (~lucas@190.194.17.120) |
| 22:06.06 | *** part/#debian nick21 (~lucas@190.194.17.120) |
| 22:06.09 | anchorspark | "found two disks with the index 0 for RAID md/0" How fixdiz? |
| 22:06.37 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: be aware, once you properly switch to lightdm - i don't think it even reads .xinitrc, so if you use .xinitrc for other things - you may have to move them elsewhere. |
| 22:07.12 | *** join/#debian awc737 (~awc737@2604:180:1::e9e7:263f) |
| 22:07.33 | frostschutz | anchorspark, nopaste mdadm --examine for the members of that raid? |
| 22:09.15 | *** join/#debian MrShell (~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 22:09.29 | *** join/#debian jwilliams (~clin@36-224-221-231.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) |
| 22:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1235] by debhelper |
| 22:10.23 | nsgn | rubber electrical tape is the handiest recent addition to my toolbox. this is all |
| 22:11.01 | anchorspark | cant boot it up, thats a grub error |
| 22:11.24 | *** join/#debian jimlop (~yaaic@2a02-8423-2160-5d00-0230-05ff-fe00-2b67.rev.sfr.net) |
| 22:11.29 | jimlop | hi |
| 22:14.11 | *** join/#debian Losowski (~Galicja@176.122.215.241) |
| 22:14.17 | nsgn | hi |
| 22:15.05 | *** join/#debian Werring (~Werring@werringweb.nl) |
| 22:15.26 | *** join/#debian JotaK (~LH64@unaffiliated/jotak) |
| 22:15.39 | humle | hi nsgn |
| 22:16.54 | *** join/#debian MissionCtrl (~untitled@c-76-27-38-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:17.17 | jimlop | what's up in debian gnu/hurd ? |
| 22:17.28 | anchorspark | I booted up with parted magic, it sees the lvm and I can chroot in |
| 22:18.17 | abrotman | jimlop: is there more context? |
| 22:18.31 | *** join/#debian dtcrshr (~dataCrshr@unaffiliated/datacrusher) |
| 22:19.45 | anchorspark | but of course, it aint up and running and my raid disks arent running in the install |
| 22:19.50 | *** part/#debian Losowski (~Galicja@176.122.215.241) |
| 22:20.05 | *** join/#debian czchen (uid12445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmxbumxklcvlbeaw) |
| 22:21.16 | anchorspark | Im somewhat of a newb with raid. is there a file I can modify so that it sees the other disc as not being there? Even with i startup with the other disc removed, it still says its there of course |
| 22:22.25 | *** join/#debian relipse (~relipse@24-183-47-51.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:22.28 | *** part/#debian jimlop (~yaaic@2a02-8423-2160-5d00-0230-05ff-fe00-2b67.rev.sfr.net) |
| 22:22.32 | *** join/#debian dontknow (~dontknow@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 22:23.18 | *** part/#debian dontknow (~dontknow@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 22:23.38 | zykotick9 | jimlop: i'm sure you'll find a debian khurd channel on oftc. i didn't have much success with it running in kvm last time i tried it (kfreebsd is much closer to partity with linux, but still by no means 100% parity - hurd is a lot less so IMO...) best of luck. |
| 22:25.27 | *** join/#debian chrob (~christoph@chello080108185051.1.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 22:25.54 | *** join/#debian alexei___ (~amgarchin@p4FD60FB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:26.06 | *** join/#debian McMAGIC--Copy (~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy) |
| 22:26.52 | pythonsnake | can i use 2.6.22.18 with wheezy? |
| 22:27.24 | *** join/#debian Joschii (~joschii@82.113.121.135) |
| 22:27.53 | *** join/#debian MachinaeWolf (~MarioMast@unaffiliated/machinaewolf) |
| 22:28.27 | *** join/#debian lduros (~user@fsf/member/lduros) |
| 22:28.54 | Daulity | could someone help me out :) i did somthing don't know what that cause me to be unable to log in |
| 22:29.18 | Daulity | it returns right back to the login screen and when i try to login on ctrl-alt-f1 it does the same |
| 22:29.56 | boudiccas | whats the command to clear roots trashcan please? |
| 22:30.20 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@fsf/member/pipeep) |
| 22:31.59 | abrotman | Daulity: no other users? |
| 22:32.01 | abrotman | boudiccas: rm? |
| 22:32.09 | *** join/#debian Steeler (~steeler@dynamic-adsl-94-34-86-182.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 22:32.10 | anchorspark | how about this, is there a way to edit mdadm metadata on a drive without mdadm? |
| 22:32.11 | abrotman | boudiccas: why the hell does root even have a trash can ? |
| 22:32.53 | boudiccas | i dont know but it appears it has, but with a root nautilus i cant access it |
| 22:33.00 | Daulity | abrotman: i try to login with root does the same, going to recovery console and logging in with root there works also startx works there |
| 22:33.06 | *** join/#debian rryoumaa (~user@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:33.12 | piklu | anyone needs a dedicated server in less than 4 USD ? |
| 22:33.15 | piklu | 500 GB HDD |
| 22:33.53 | ctmjr | piklu: this is not e-bay |
| 22:34.05 | piklu | well, I am not selling, sharing |
| 22:34.09 | [nas]peter | piklu, probably with an intel atom/celeron processor |
| 22:34.11 | piklu | I know people need to experiment |
| 22:34.20 | piklu | yes exactly…..kimsufi you can look |
| 22:34.21 | [nas]peter | and 100Mbps connection |
| 22:34.24 | *** join/#debian man6 (6man@53512891.cm-6-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 22:34.25 | [nas]peter | I know |
| 22:34.25 | piklu | good for some clustering thing |
| 22:34.26 | man6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.28 | [nas]peter | 2.99 EIR |
| 22:34.32 | [nas]peter | EUR* |
| 22:35.42 | *** join/#debian \\Mr_C\\ (mrc@adsl-98-89-69-11.mgm.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:36.21 | woshty | Daulity: And you do not have any idea what you did? |
| 22:37.10 | pythonsnake | is it possible to keep my kernel 2.6.22.18 and upgrade to wheezy? |
| 22:37.49 | abrotman | pythonsnake: you can try, not recommded .. why would you want to ? |
| 22:38.03 | pythonsnake | abrotman: because it's a nas |
| 22:38.08 | abrotman | piklu: take it elsewher,e this channel is for Debian support |
| 22:38.09 | pythonsnake | nas hack to get debian on it |
| 22:38.15 | abrotman | fun |
| 22:38.20 | pythonsnake | and the kernel requires special patches abrotman |
| 22:39.05 | abrotman | like i said, you can try .. |
| 22:39.10 | abrotman | it's not a supported method |
| 22:39.26 | pythonsnake | how |
| 22:39.53 | Daulity | woshty: no |
| 22:40.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1226] by debhelper |
| 22:40.59 | *** join/#debian niftylettuce (uid2733@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ookuxvkszwofkfzg) |
| 22:41.39 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 22:41.48 | *** join/#debian adc (~adc@gateway/tor-sasl/adc) |
| 22:43.42 | *** join/#debian MaddinXx_ (~racksteri@zux221-111-174.adsl.green.ch) |
| 22:43.52 | Daulity | xorg log doesn't give me any clues |
| 22:43.53 | *** join/#debian Dolphin-man (~anick@S0106602ad0756c1c.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 22:43.55 | Dolphin-man | hey guys |
| 22:44.05 | Dolphin-man | i had a pretty bad week |
| 22:44.26 | Dolphin-man | feel like the people i work with are being dicks to me |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | pythonsnake: it will only try if you have the metapackage installed |
| 22:44.36 | abrotman | Dolphin-man: do you need help with Debianb? |
| 22:44.36 | Dolphin-man | not sure what to do , i try to be quiet but it doesnt make it stop |
| 22:44.40 | abrotman | Debian |
| 22:44.50 | stree | so quiet you could ask a question: i realize ive asked about this |
| 22:44.53 | Dolphin-man | yeah, i was thinking of installing Debian |
| 22:45.01 | Dolphin-man | but also i dont know |
| 22:45.02 | ZIPY | how can i find out on which repository stable testing etc a application is in? |
| 22:45.07 | pythonsnake | abrotman: ignorelist? ok thanks |
| 22:45.14 | Dolphin-man | I think the stuff at work is getting in the way of all of that |
| 22:45.15 | abrotman | pythonsnake: huh? |
| 22:45.17 | *** join/#debian freeminds (~isset___@static.10.193.4.46.clients.your-server.de) |
| 22:45.18 | ZIPY | from terminal |
| 22:45.25 | Dolphin-man | i mean |
| 22:45.28 | abrotman | Dolphin-man: just ask your question, we don't need your life history |
| 22:45.35 | nsgn | burn |
| 22:45.36 | pythonsnake | abrotman: what do you mean by having it isntalled |
| 22:45.49 | abrotman | pythonsnake: dpkg -l "linux-image*" .. is anything installed? |
| 22:45.57 | *** join/#debian Rubemlrm (~Rubemlrm@2.83.16.58) |
| 22:46.19 | *** join/#debian themill (~stuart@unaffiliated/themill) |
| 22:46.28 | Daulity | so no ideas how i can check what might be causing this ? |
| 22:46.37 | pythonsnake | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:46.37 | Dolphin-man | but abrotman my personal issues go to the heart of my reasons to use Debian |
| 22:46.39 | Dolphin-man | i mean |
| 22:46.46 | Dolphin-man | i feel like the odd man out, i dont belong |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | pythonsnake: what are they? |
| 22:46.51 | stree | they have the place |
| 22:46.55 | Dolphin-man | I guess using Debian I could embrace that |
| 22:47.00 | Dolphin-man | and go it alone |
| 22:47.00 | abrotman | stree: your script is broken |
| 22:47.10 | nsgn | this has really been an interesting day in #debian |
| 22:47.10 | Dolphin-man | on an interesting and innovative linux distro |
| 22:47.29 | Dolphin-man | isn't that the best fuck you I could give to all the people who are dicks to me at work |
| 22:47.37 | Dolphin-man | I could become an islant unto myself |
| 22:47.45 | Dolphin-man | yeah fuck off with your android phones and windows computers |
| 22:47.47 | Dolphin-man | im on Debian |
| 22:47.49 | *** join/#debian fikst (~fikst@d54C442D5.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:47.54 | *** join/#debian owen1 (~oren@216.156.196.4.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | Dolphin-man: ask your question, this is getting boring |
| 22:48.10 | nsgn | i'm pretty sure there might be better f-you's you can give to people than changing your own operating system... |
| 22:48.11 | datguise | and painful |
| 22:48.11 | Dolphin-man | abrotman, i am not here to amuse you |
| 22:48.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 22:48.17 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@S0106602ad0756c1c.ok.shawcable.net] by abrotman |
| 22:48.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:48.26 | abrotman | Dolphin-man: this channel is for Debian support, not life rants |
| 22:48.45 | nsgn | "Oh yeah??!! Well...I'm changing to DEBIAN!" |
| 22:49.58 | pythonsnake | linux-image-2.6.22-18-amd64 abrotman |
| 22:50.05 | nsgn | does this channel get trolled / drama'd this often these days? maybe this is an off day but..good grief |
| 22:50.51 | ikonia | nsgn: hang in, it's normally solid |
| 22:51.26 | zykotick9 | !sunday |
| 22:51.26 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:51.50 | abrotman | pythonsnake: that's not a metapackage |
| 22:51.54 | nsgn | Ah. man. should have hit me with that on the way in the door |
| 22:52.00 | Daulity | it's monday here |
| 22:52.18 | nsgn | i loose track of what day it is here. i tend to work 7 day schedules |
| 22:52.34 | themill | Daulity: the problem with this TZ is that Sunday gets spread out a bit... |
| 22:52.35 | ikonia | nsgn: may want to keep in mind this is a debian support channel, not chat channel |
| 22:52.46 | ZIPY | lol @!sundayy ^^ |
| 22:52.54 | *** part/#debian MachinaeWolf (~MarioMast@unaffiliated/machinaewolf) |
| 22:52.55 | abrotman | !lol |
| 22:52.55 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:53.20 | rryoumaa | dpkg is getting really prescriptive |
| 22:53.21 | dpkg | rryoumaa: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:53.26 | ZIPY | haha |
| 22:53.42 | nsgn | ikonia, I'm getting called out for chatting after the life story above? |
| 22:54.00 | ikonia | nsgn: yes, as he was banned for it, it's worth taking heed it's not a chat channel |
| 22:54.13 | nsgn | heed taken. didn't see the ban |
| 22:54.14 | abrotman | we do have #debian-offtopic for general chit chat |
| 22:54.46 | MissionCtrl | general chit chat on debian or on anything at all? |
| 22:54.47 | ZIPY | is there any way to find out what versions of an application is in which repository by terminal? |
| 22:55.44 | themill | ZIPY: rmadison, but don't mix releases... |
| 22:56.53 | *** join/#debian uNIXplumber (~uNIXplumb@ultimedia-linux.org) |
| 22:56.59 | ZIPY | themill: i wont, just want to get an overview |
| 22:57.00 | ZIPY | thank you |
| 22:57.59 | nsgn | alright, after my fresh install with destkop env selected by default i now can boot into desktop..but the display only uses 2/3rds of my monitor and when i go into the graphical utility to change resolution it says "unknown display", offering no ability to change any settings |
| 22:58.27 | nsgn | the final third of my screen shows some odd scrambled graphic output |
| 22:58.43 | Daulity | any ideas why the same happens to the virtual console ? as happens to the login screen ? |
| 22:58.54 | *** join/#debian Vicissitude (~Vicissitu@pdpc/supporter/active/vicissitude) |
| 22:59.53 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~DARKICEPT@a79-168-154-69.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1219] by debhelper |
| 23:00.01 | nsgn | would this indicate my graphics hardware is not properly supported or that the monitor i'm connecting to is not properly representing itself? |
| 23:00.47 | *** join/#debian tabris|away (~northman@unaffiliated/tabris) |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | what is your graphics hardware? |
| 23:02.53 | *** join/#debian carandraug (~carandrau@octave/developer/carandraug) |
| 23:03.09 | nsgn | abrotman, intel GMA on a foxconn/intel atom board |
| 23:04.37 | abrotman | nsgn: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 23:05.05 | nsgn | VGA compatible controller 0300 intel corp atom processor integrated graphics controller 0be1 |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | that isn't what it says ... |
| 23:05.43 | nsgn | abbreviating a word or two that's exactly the output of that... |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | there should be a PCI ID at the end that you completely omitted |
| 23:06.11 | abrotman | but okay .. good luck |
| 23:06.22 | nsgn | 8086:0be1 is the ID. i left out 8086 since i thought it was obvious it was an intel |
| 23:06.34 | nsgn | 0be1 is the pci device id |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | this is wheezy or jessie? |
| 23:07.18 | nsgn | wheezy |
| 23:07.35 | *** join/#debian rryoumaa (~user@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:07.47 | *** join/#debian nick212 (~lucas@190.194.17.120) |
| 23:08.48 | pythonsnake | abrotman: hm? |
| 23:08.56 | pythonsnake | anyways what do i do with it |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | do with what? |
| 23:09.17 | *** join/#debian LinuxGuy91 (~LinuxGuy9@rrcs-24-227-146-98.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 23:09.18 | *** join/#debian KiSM (~quassel@CPE-120-145-152-246.lnse2.pie.bigpond.net.au) |
| 23:09.24 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:09.25 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; jessie: 2:2.19.0-6; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1 |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:0be1 |
| 23:09.34 | judd | [8086:0be1] is 'Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'gma500_gfx', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0be1 |
| 23:09.48 | abrotman | nsgn: seems it should work ? |
| 23:10.13 | nsgn | abrotman, indeed, but it sure as heck does not |
| 23:10.53 | nsgn | if i start the system without going into X all the text stays on that first 2/3rds of the screen. then if i go into X i'm only offered 1024x768 and it only displays in the first 2/3rds of the screen |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | nsgn: is this an eeepc? |
| 23:11.33 | nsgn | nope. a desktop.i know the screen isnt bad. i have 3 identical ones here. just cheap dell widescreens. their true resolution is 1366x768 |
| 23:11.47 | *** join/#debian Goudish (~Goudish@94.172.193.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 23:11.53 | nsgn | its a little slim desktop computer. connecting by VGA to a dell 1366x768 monitor |
| 23:12.11 | *** join/#debian brong_ (~brong@101.115.118.158) |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | does xrandr offer any other resolutions? |
| 23:12.55 | abrotman | did oyu look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to look for errors? |
| 23:13.07 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@212-149-213-33.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 23:13.31 | nsgn | abrotman, interestingly just now when starting x i didn't see this message previously. it's saying gnome3 cant start fully because my graphics hardware may not support it |
| 23:13.44 | nsgn | it proceeds to run but i guess i'm being notified of the limited support it will be giving |
| 23:13.47 | *** join/#debian Aqrta (~Aqrta@p5B02E37D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:13.50 | Aqrta | http://www.naked-julia.com/?uid=935734 -> click this link please, it's for a good cause (boobs) |
| 23:14.02 | *** join/#debian Goudish (~Goudish@94.172.193.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 23:14.18 | *** join/#debian jkamp (~josh@unixcorps/staff/quiet) |
| 23:14.23 | *** join/#debian asulil (~winsen_m@90.84.144.151) |
| 23:14.23 | nsgn | abrotman, when i run xrandr i am told the min, optimal, and max res for this display is 1024x768 |
| 23:14.47 | pythonsnake | abrotman: the metapkg |
| 23:14.57 | *** join/#debian |oop (~pool@c-68-81-109-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:15.00 | *** part/#debian Aqrta (~Aqrta@p5B02E37D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | pythonsnake: you don't have it installed |
| 23:15.14 | abrotman | nsgn: it sounds like the intel driver isn't loaded |
| 23:15.23 | pythonsnake | abrotman: after that i install it |
| 23:16.06 | *** join/#debian arescorpio (~arescorpi@181.47.142.26) |
| 23:16.09 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:16.21 | nsgn | abrotman, hmm. what would prevent that from loading? it seems wheezy has darn well close to the latest intel driver built in |
| 23:16.44 | pythonsnake | abrotman: why did you ask for it |
| 23:16.49 | *** part/#debian nick212 (~lucas@190.194.17.120) |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | nsgn: you may want to try the kernel from backports |
| 23:16.54 | abrotman | pythonsnake: to see if you had it! |
| 23:17.07 | abrotman | pythonsnake: you don't want it! but i can't guarantee your kernel will work with wheezy |
| 23:17.16 | pythonsnake | abrotman: ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:17.26 | abrotman | don't want it ... |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | that will upgrade your kernel |
| 23:17.49 | pythonsnake | remove it? |
| 23:19.20 | *** join/#debian dgeary2 (~debian@pa49-187-93-5.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:19.30 | nsgn | abrotman, alright i'm going to try a newer kernel. bbiab |
| 23:19.34 | *** join/#debian jklaz (~jklaz@79.103.24.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 23:19.43 | *** join/#debian dzragon (~dzragon@95.109.55.51) |
| 23:19.49 | abrotman | nsgn: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | nsgn: there's a newer one already packaged |
| 23:20.44 | nsgn | abrotman, yeah i wasnt intending on building. i was going to use liquorix kernel, which i'm already somewhat familiar with. it's pretty recent |
| 23:21.10 | *** join/#debian witchmaster_ (~Bananaram@p5B0B3618.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:21.11 | nsgn | i think dpkg feel asleep there |
| 23:21.14 | nsgn | *fell |
| 23:22.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nsgn about backports |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | there we go |
| 23:22.04 | nsgn | ty |
| 23:22.20 | abrotman | nsgn: we don't support the liquorix kernel .. so you'd be on your own with that |
| 23:22.46 | nsgn | if it doesnt solve this issue i have little other reason to use it |
| 23:23.00 | *** join/#debian Daulity (~duality@ip4da2c95a.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | i'm just saying i'd try the backports kernel first |
| 23:24.50 | nsgn | alright. i may do that |
| 23:24.53 | nsgn | or try each |
| 23:28.40 | *** join/#debian roboman2444 (~roboman24@unaffiliated/roboman2444) |
| 23:30.07 | Jim7991 | I have a .iso of debian with some custom configs and programs installed on it that im using as a template burn to SD cards. However at the moment it is only 1.9GB, how can i expand it? |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | growisofs ? |
| 23:33.28 | *** join/#debian Roenie (~Roenie@D978CF38.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 23:33.51 | *** join/#debian DeaDSouL (~deadsoul@62.150.233.82) |
| 23:34.42 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-69-235-54.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:34.56 | *** join/#debian k-t_ (~kt@p5DE86698.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:35.58 | Jim7991 | abrotman hmm, not sure if it would work |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | so try it |
| 23:36.18 | DeaDSouL | Hello, I took a full backup of my old fedora home folder, and installed a debian 7 gnome... how can I restore the same exact configuration of the gnome-shell extensions ? what is the configuration file that I should copy to my new home folder? I've already copied the `~/.local/share/gnome-shell` |
| 23:36.28 | Jim7991 | do you think if i mounted it and expanded the fs with something like gparted it would work? |
| 23:36.47 | *** join/#debian asulil (~winsen_m@90.84.144.151) |
| 23:37.20 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~emmanuel@O085185.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 23:38.40 | *** join/#debian chaiz (~chaiz@ppp-124-121-105-76.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 23:39.02 | *** join/#debian funyun (~funyun@cpe-65-25-103-89.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 23:39.24 | DeaDSouL | hello |
| 23:39.26 | stree | hello mexican |
| 23:39.30 | *** join/#debian SenK9 (~SenDog@60-242-134-23.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:39.32 | Vicissitude | hola |
| 23:39.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.37 | *** kick/#debian [stree!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
| 23:39.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:39.42 | *** join/#debian stree (~stree@fisicas.uileon.edu.mx) |
| 23:40.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 23:40.06 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@fisicas.uileon.edu.mx] by abrotman |
| 23:40.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:40.14 | abrotman | stree: your noisy bot is broken |
| 23:41.30 | *** join/#debian Condor1976 (~Condor@host-78-145-236-207.as13285.net) |
| 23:44.25 | *** join/#debian LDungeon (~llama@cpe-174-102-147-31.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 23:44.39 | *** join/#debian Jonkey (~johan@77.53.42.68) |
| 23:45.15 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 23:46.46 | DeaDSouL | anyone? |
| 23:47.51 | Daulity | thing i am going to reinstall then :) |
| 23:48.26 | *** join/#debian master_o1_master (~master_of@p4FF24979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:48.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 23:48.28 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@S0106602ad0756c1c.ok.shawcable.net] by abrotman |
| 23:48.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:49.26 | jklaz | check if there is a ~/.config directory |
| 23:49.52 | jklaz | i think there are several visual configurations for de or windows managers |
| 23:50.11 | *** join/#debian b4dave (~smuxi@c-76-23-14-251.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:50.39 | *** join/#debian russ__ (~russ@24.114.77.42) |
| 23:52.54 | DeaDSouL | no I've checked it |
| 23:53.44 | *** join/#debian asulil (~winsen_m@90.84.144.151) |
| 23:54.12 | *** join/#debian elvora (~elvora@c-24-8-156-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:55.46 | owen1 | i am booting my debian and see: GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: file not found. entering rescue mode... i type 'ls' and see hd0,msdos5 and hd0,msdos1 and tried ls (hd0,msdos5)/ and ls (hd0,msdos1)/ but i get 'error: unknown filesystem' |
| 23:56.54 | *** join/#debian th0r (~Thor@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com) |
| 23:58.02 | *** part/#debian DeaDSouL (~deadsoul@62.150.233.82) |
| 23:58.31 | *** join/#debian aarcane (~aarcane@99-42-64-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
