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| 00:07.56 | Coburn | uh oh |
| 00:08.06 | Coburn | I'm installing i486 debian on a 64bit machine |
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| 00:08.11 | Coburn | facepalms |
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| 00:14.49 | clue_h | Coburn, is it working? |
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| 00:29.35 | Coburn | clue_h: I rebooted and booted from the usb again using amd64 stuffs |
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| 00:37.28 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
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| 00:38.08 | verysoftoiletppr | i'm trying to choose a filesystem for my media hard drive which will be used to download via bittorrent and serve files via nfs |
| 00:38.11 | verysoftoiletppr | suggestions? |
| 00:38.22 | verysoftoiletppr | already tried ext2 ext3 ext4 |
| 00:38.31 | verysoftoiletppr | ext2 has best performance so far |
| 00:39.02 | themill | is fsck performance relevant? |
| 00:39.17 | gnarface | is partition/filesystem resizing time relevant? |
| 00:39.45 | gnarface | and is the system on a battery back-up, in a country known for not having hour-long electricity outages? |
| 00:40.21 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface no to the 1st question |
| 00:41.33 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface it is not on a batrery backup, but it is in a country known for not having hour-long outages |
| 00:41.42 | themill | on the sort of large filesystem you'd have for media, I'd rate fsck time as being quite important |
| 00:42.15 | verysoftoiletppr | themill right now, the benchmark I'm using it my bittorrent client |
| 00:42.31 | gnarface | personally, i'd go with ext4 with a disabled journal before going with ext2 for speed. but in practicality unless the storage medium was a cheap flash drive i'd go with neither honestly, in either case. |
| 00:42.32 | verysoftoiletppr | clearly the disk has capacity for more than 9MBps |
| 00:42.49 | verysoftoiletppr | that is the max I get with ext2 |
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| 00:43.06 | verysoftoiletppr | which is almost the max of the network interface |
| 00:43.16 | verysoftoiletppr | but with ext4 I get maximum of 5MBps |
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| 00:43.31 | verysoftoiletppr | ext3 I get max ~6.5Mpps |
| 00:43.42 | verysoftoiletppr | it might be CPU related |
| 00:43.54 | verysoftoiletppr | cause the CPU is very limited |
| 00:44.30 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface how do I disable journaling on ext4 |
| 00:44.42 | verysoftoiletppr | what other FS would you suggest trying |
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| 00:46.04 | abrotman | which version of Debian is this? |
| 00:46.11 | verysoftoiletppr | wheezy |
| 00:46.14 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: well i'd be more willing to blame the amount of ram than the cpu, especially if the files are larger than, or close to in size of the amount of physical ram the system has, but for what its worth xfs does way better with large files and has journaling (unlike ext2) but was originally optimized for older hardware like ext2 |
| 00:46.26 | Max-P | Hi, my debian server rebooted this morning for no reasons, and the logs shows nothing but "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@" repeated for a few lines, then standard kernel boot messages. What can it be? |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | verysoftoiletppr: why not ext4 ? |
| 00:46.34 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: but you'd still set it with tune2fs -O [something] i think |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | verysoftoiletppr: ignore that, missed the line above |
| 00:46.58 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface yes, in the benchmark the file is bigger then the amount of ram (twice?) |
| 00:47.29 | gnarface | abrotman: he's trying to speed up bittorrent throughput and observing bottlenecks in the filesystem. i'm trying to just help him identify other potential bottlenecks |
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| 00:48.12 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: if you can give it more ram that wouldn't hurt either. i've found that tcp throughput in general gets very constrained when you have below ~200MB of ram on the system |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | i doubt the filesystem is the bottleneck |
| 00:48.38 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface I can't give more ram |
| 00:48.43 | verysoftoiletppr | I could give it swap |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | unless he's writing to the drive via NFS perhaps? |
| 00:49.01 | gnarface | abrotman: actually he did say it was nfs mounted.... |
| 00:49.10 | verysoftoiletppr | KiB Mem: 833476 total, 82848 used, 750628 free, 10572 buffers |
| 00:49.12 | verysoftoiletppr | KiB Swap: 65532 total, 120 used, 65412 free, 20616 cached |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | i thought he was reading via nfs |
| 00:49.24 | verysoftoiletppr | it's not NFS mounted |
| 00:49.26 | verysoftoiletppr | it's local |
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| 00:49.39 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:50.06 | verysoftoiletppr | I will share it via nfs though, but for reading |
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| 00:50.43 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman the filesystem is not the bottleneck, but why such different results depending on the filesystem? |
| 00:51.19 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/[whatever] |
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| 00:51.43 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: that will take an ext4 journal offline. i'd give it a try to see if that gives you comparable performance to ext2 |
| 00:51.49 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface why only 120 Swap used? |
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| 00:52.44 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: there are rules to how swap gets used and you can adjust them but i don't understand them very well except that by default they're probably not bothering to swap out anything that moves through the system as fast as network traffic. it'd swap out less-used data first to make room in ram for the network traffic |
| 00:53.16 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: but yea, the fact its using the swap at all is also a good sign you could use more ram, or would benefit from trying to free up some ram by killing off unused services |
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| 00:53.37 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: uninstall cups for example, unless you need to host printers from the same machine |
| 00:53.44 | ImaLamer | verysoftoiletppr: is your swap on a second drive? |
| 00:53.59 | verysoftoiletppr | ImaLamer I didn't configure it |
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| 00:54.14 | verysoftoiletppr | ImaLamer It's not a partition I think |
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| 00:54.28 | abrotman | regardless, does it share the same drive |
| 00:54.40 | ImaLamer | verysoftoiletppr: adding swap will have diminishing returns if it's on the same drive as the rest of your data |
| 00:54.51 | verysoftoiletppr | ImaLamer I know |
| 00:55.06 | verysoftoiletppr | no it's not sharing the same drive |
| 00:55.09 | xemdetia | Greetings. I'm having a problem where the nvidia proprietary driver crashed and my screen is in a weird state. Reinstalling fixed it but it happened again right away. |
| 00:55.12 | ImaLamer | i.e. your system will be reading from the same drive for data and then moving somewhere totally different (and far) for the swap |
| 00:55.36 | verysoftoiletppr | nevertheless, it's running of a mmc, so the IO speed shouldn't be very good for swap.. |
| 00:56.11 | gnarface | xemdetia: that is usually a problem the specific nvidia driver version has, and typically with a specific hardware feature some game or gl-accelerated window manager compositor is using |
| 00:56.25 | verysoftoiletppr | the main FS in on MMC, if the future it will be on NAND Flash |
| 00:56.35 | verysoftoiletppr | only have 4gb of it |
| 00:56.46 | verysoftoiletppr | not sure if it's enough for debian + swap |
| 00:56.52 | xemdetia | gnarface: do you know how to reset the screen's state then? I'm at console right now, and even nouveau after I took off the block on it isn't working |
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| 00:57.09 | gnarface | xemdetia: sometimes you can avoid it with in-game graphical settings but the best solution is usually to just install a commpletely different nvidia driver version, or try nouveau (if you don't need 3d support) |
| 00:57.46 | gnarface | xemdetia: all you'd have to do is exit X, but it sounds like you may be using a graphical login manager that is keeping X alive |
| 00:58.09 | gnarface | xemdetia: if you stop your graphical login manager, THEN try to restart X |
| 00:58.15 | xemdetia | I just checked and X is dead. For reference I'm logging in here via console and irssi. I can't bring up X at all right now. |
| 00:58.46 | gnarface | oh interesting. you should check /var/log/Xorg.log there may be a xorg.conf problem or a conflict between nvidia/nouveau |
| 00:58.56 | gnarface | or something else |
| 00:58.58 | xemdetia | I had a hard crash from when the driver failed and now and it's stuck on some weird setting. Even my BIOS screen is off by one pixel or something. I've got lines through my screen right now. |
| 00:59.12 | gnarface | eeek. |
| 00:59.25 | gnarface | wouldn't be out of range for the types of hardware i've seen on nvidia cards |
| 00:59.37 | gnarface | they can get heat damaged and go out to lunch in weird ways. the bios being out of whack now is a real bad sign |
| 00:59.51 | xemdetia | and again something about the reinstallation fixed it cleanly, and fedora's livecd (what I happened to have) comes up fine along with the debian installer. Even grub comes up properly but then something resets the screen's mode and it's messed up again. |
| 01:00.24 | gnarface | xemdetia: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or are you autoconfiguring? |
| 01:00.48 | xemdetia | I'm autoconfiguring right now. I disabled my nvidia version and got rid of the modprobe blacklist to try and get on the nv driver. |
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| 01:01.22 | xemdetia | I'm getting something in kern.log that says "nouveau BIOS checksum invalid" |
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| 01:01.52 | gnarface | hmm. i've never seen that before. did you fully uninstall all the nvidia packages when you switched back to nouveau? |
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| 01:02.56 | xemdetia | I installed via the script nvidia provides. Is there something else I need to do to remove it or prevent it from loading? |
| 01:03.06 | gnarface | xemdetia: also, with newer asus windows-8 bios asus boards i've seen some really odd behavior with edid detection gone awry. another thing you could test: when going into the bios, keep the monitor unplugged from the video card during POST, until AFTER you're in the bios (yea, you'll have to go in blind) then plug in the monitor and see if it syncs up right |
| 01:03.33 | xemdetia | Unfortunately this is an older laptop so disconnecting the screen is not really viable at the moment. |
| 01:03.39 | gnarface | damn |
| 01:03.50 | gnarface | well so its not using a win8 enabled bios then either |
| 01:04.10 | xemdetia | Nope, it most certainly is not. Actually isn't there a way to have linux hotpatch the BIOS? Maybe this is a BIOS bug. |
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| 01:04.52 | gnarface | xemdetia: yea, there is probably other stuff. the script nvidia uses isn't native package-system aware or really properly dependency-aware. to remove the nvidia drivers, you want to purge all packages that come up when you run: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 01:05.27 | gnarface | xemdetia: i've heard you can manipulate the bios FROM linux but i've never talked to anyone personally who would recommend it |
| 01:06.02 | xemdetia | Luckily I have no packages listed as dependencies! I think I was thinking of the intel microcode patch. I just feel like theres some weird modeset or modeline or something I can throw in at terminal that will reset the screen. |
| 01:06.06 | gnarface | xemdetia: if the system is old though and its been a few years since you flashed the bios though its certainly worth looking for a new bios version available. maybe you'll get lucky and it will list the problem you're having as having been fixed specifically |
| 01:06.52 | gnarface | xemdetia: here's a question; when the system boots up, does the console stay in native text mode, or does it go into framebuffer (smaller text/higher res console) mode? |
| 01:07.40 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface without journaling it seems to do quite worse than otherwise |
| 01:07.55 | Coburn | what exactly is the 3.2.0-amd64-rt kernel do? |
| 01:07.58 | xemdetia | gnarface: Actually it doesn't which indicates that it is still half-loading the nvidia driver maybe. |
| 01:07.58 | gnarface | xemdetia: and for whatever its worth auto-detection never worked for shit for me. i've *always* had to hand-create my xorg.conf files with nouveau OR nvidia but it may be because my displays are ... weird and old |
| 01:08.00 | Coburn | about* |
| 01:08.06 | Coburn | what's the "rt" part of it |
| 01:08.11 | Coburn | Realtime? |
| 01:08.25 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: that's... unexpected |
| 01:08.36 | verysoftoiletppr | there is this 590 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 5.2 0.0 0:10.12 flush-179:0 |
| 01:08.45 | xemdetia | gnarface: It actually autodetected correctly on install which is why I was relying on it again. Again, things *were* working just all of a sudden I'm kind of in a weird limbo. |
| 01:08.51 | verysoftoiletppr | I assume to be related with the memory |
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| 01:09.40 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: sometimes the cheapest solution is patience :-/ |
| 01:09.52 | Coburn | lol verysoftoiletppr |
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| 01:10.04 | Coburn | love your nickname |
| 01:10.22 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface :C |
| 01:10.33 | verysoftoiletppr | Coburn tks |
| 01:10.39 | xemdetia | I go back to the weird part is that when grub appears it resets the terminal in such a fashion that it actually looks proper before breaking it again. Maybe there's something in the source that can put me in that mode. I guess I hope there is a web repo or something my tablet can read |
| 01:10.59 | Coburn | xemdetia: nokmsboot |
| 01:11.09 | Coburn | that option stops kernel from setting the resolution |
| 01:11.24 | verysoftoiletppr | lets try XFS |
| 01:11.36 | gnarface | xemdetia: well if they went out of whack for no reason (literally you were just doing nothing but moving your mouse around or something and you weren't running any games or fullscreen 3d opengl contexts) then overheating problems on that card are still highly suspect. otherwise its entirely possible something is changing your screen resolution to something your display isn't tuned for. if that's the case, a manually created xorg.conf (or at least a met |
| 01:11.37 | gnarface | adataline for that res) could help |
| 01:12.33 | Coburn | I hope the debian installer is using the XFCE desktop |
| 01:12.36 | gnarface | xemdetia: does your /etc/default/grub file set a specific resolution anywhere? (look for linex containing something like GFXMODE in the name) |
| 01:12.42 | xemdetia | I was running a full screen 3d context. Sorry if I forgot to mention that, or at least a fullscreen hw-accelerated context. I'm going to try to learn how to do a nokmsboot like Coburn suggested |
| 01:12.43 | Coburn | I'll flip a table if it's not |
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| 01:13.08 | abrotman | a table? |
| 01:13.10 | Coburn | xemdetia: when grub appears, press 'e' and then put 'nokmsboot' on the append line |
| 01:13.13 | Coburn | flips a table like a boss ... ¯(°_o)/¯ |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | i hope you remove the computer from the table first |
| 01:13.22 | Coburn | heh |
| 01:13.30 | Coburn | although I have no tables... |
| 01:13.33 | Coburn | flips a table like a boss ... (｡◜◡◝｡) |
| 01:13.33 | gnarface | xemdetia: i've had LOTS of issues over the years with fullscreen opengl contexts exiting and leaving my nvidia desktop in some or another hysterical state |
| 01:13.48 | Coburn | nope, I'll wait until I'll have some to flip |
| 01:14.03 | Coburn | 1029 packages going down the shute |
| 01:14.13 | Coburn | 3mins 20sec remaining |
| 01:14.15 | gnarface | xemdetia: the console res setting mechanisms *all* conflict with the official nvidia binary driver badly though |
| 01:14.22 | xemdetia | gnarface: At least I'm not the only one! I'm just struggling to google the proper things because typing on a tablet is painful. I'm definitel going to try nokmsboot and I didn't have a gfxmode set (unless # aren't comments in grubspeak) |
| 01:14.40 | xemdetia | So I will be back! |
| 01:14.55 | gnarface | ...good luck... |
| 01:15.18 | Coburn | yep, looks like XFCE desktop is being installed |
| 01:16.13 | gnarface | Coburn: (default changed to xfce as of wheezy) |
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| 01:18.33 | xemdetia | Hold on now, it was nomodeset right? Or was the no kms boot a different command? |
| 01:18.36 | verysoftoiletppr | mount: unknown filesystem type 'xfs' |
| 01:18.43 | verysoftoiletppr | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=69140 |
| 01:20.13 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: apt-get update && apt-get install xfsprogs && modprobe xfs && try it again |
| 01:20.29 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface i did that |
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| 01:20.38 | gnarface | oh. and there is an xfs module loaded? |
| 01:20.43 | verysoftoiletppr | no |
| 01:20.54 | xemdetia | gnarface: In your travels with weird fullscreen nvidia issues did you ever just stick a windows CD in there and have it fix it? |
| 01:20.55 | gnarface | you did: modprobe xfs |
| 01:20.57 | verysoftoiletppr | FATAL: Module xfs not found. |
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| 01:21.26 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: hmm. its possible your kernel is missing the module. did you compile that one yourself? |
| 01:21.43 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface it's armhf |
| 01:21.50 | verysoftoiletppr | could that be the reason? |
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| 01:22.01 | gnarface | xemdetia: no, not once, though i'm sure that would have been easier if i had a windows CD or anything useful to do with it |
| 01:22.38 | xemdetia | gnarface: I was referring to hoping windows setup would reset the mode of the driver. :) |
| 01:22.39 | koollman | looks like debian-arm guys decided xfs was not useful. looks like a big bug to report |
| 01:22.39 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: yes, it probably is the reason. you'll need that module to use xfs. |
| 01:22.57 | xemdetia | I'm going to try that for kicks and then come back |
| 01:23.26 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i suspect you can just compile it in |
| 01:23.39 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface the kernel is from sunxi-linux https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi |
| 01:24.01 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: it doesn't help me to know that. |
| 01:24.08 | verysoftoiletppr | ok |
| 01:24.16 | koollman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2011/03/msg00867.html I suspect there are reason for disabling xfs. which is a bit sad |
| 01:24.19 | verysoftoiletppr | do you know how to compile it in? |
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| 01:25.01 | verysoftoiletppr | :( |
| 01:25.06 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: get the kernel sources, make menuconfig, activate the option, compile the kernel. |
| 01:25.36 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman after compiling the kernel, then what? |
| 01:25.55 | gnarface | then it will magically work when you mount an xfs partition |
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| 01:26.07 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: it looks like you already got a kernel from sources, is that correct ? |
| 01:26.15 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: make sure that BEFORE the compilation you enable the module |
| 01:26.16 | verysoftoiletppr | it will probably take all night to compile on this device no?.. |
| 01:26.21 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman yes |
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| 01:26.41 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: < 1ghz arm chip with < 512MB of ram? yes, it will take a very long time |
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| 01:26.54 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: its a good idea to disable anything you know you won't use. it will save time |
| 01:26.59 | verysoftoiletppr | <1GB ram |
| 01:27.00 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: so you already compiled it once. just go in the kernel sources, make menuconfig, enable xfs module, and make modules_install |
| 01:27.04 | koollman | should be quick |
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| 01:27.15 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman no I didn't compile it |
| 01:27.20 | verysoftoiletppr | someone else did it |
| 01:27.25 | verysoftoiletppr | I just installed the image |
| 01:27.30 | verysoftoiletppr | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,442.0.html |
| 01:27.33 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: another option would be to ask whoever did for an xfs module |
| 01:27.34 | koollman | oh. well then you need to do the compilation then |
| 01:27.45 | koollman | it shouldn't be too slow |
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| 01:27.57 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface suggest things to disable? |
| 01:28.02 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: kernel compilation is frightening and dangerous but a highly useful skill, especially if you're going to run fringe hardware |
| 01:28.19 | koollman | gnarface: frightening ? :) |
| 01:28.48 | koollman | it's kernel compilation, not sword juggling ;) |
| 01:28.50 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: oh stuff you won't be using? yea like whatever you know you won't need. x86 cpu hardware optimizations, stuff for hardware you don't and won't ever have connected (bluetooth, wireless networking, windows filesystems, etc?) |
| 01:29.15 | koollman | I would strongly advise to not change anything besides enabling xfs :) |
| 01:29.40 | gnarface | well if he only has to recompile the modules its probably not worth fucking with anything else |
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| 01:30.02 | gnarface | but if he has to recompile the whole thing anyway, there are whole subsets of shit he can turn off and probably save a ton of time on (and maybe some memory) |
| 01:30.11 | gnarface | i mean, does armhf hardware need PCI bus support? |
| 01:30.11 | koollman | gnarface: it's worse than that. more modification increase the chances the xfs module won't work |
| 01:30.23 | koollman | also, it's better to solve one thing at a time ;) |
| 01:31.07 | gnarface | koollman: both *very* good points that I agree with, but this endeavor started because he was trying to speed up bittorrent throughput |
| 01:31.16 | xemdetia | I'm still having that weird nvidia state. Does anyone else have any fun ideas to try that are wile e coyote crap? I'm kind of at that point |
| 01:31.19 | koollman | oh. I didn't get the first part |
| 01:31.24 | gnarface | koollman: (on a slow arm system with limited ram) |
| 01:31.30 | koollman | then the fix is easy. back to the old kernel ;) |
| 01:32.03 | gnarface | hmm. verysoftoiletppr how come you're not running a stock debian kernel anyway? |
| 01:32.05 | koollman | torrent doesn't require much ram. cpu might be a bit tight, though |
| 01:32.15 | gnarface | koollman: how about for large files? |
| 01:32.19 | koollman | nope |
| 01:32.33 | gnarface | koollman: he mentioned average file size was about twice what the available physical ram block was |
| 01:32.43 | koollman | bittorent main slowdown come from packet handling and hashing |
| 01:32.45 | gnarface | koollman: he also mentioned it was swapping relatively heavily |
| 01:33.16 | gnarface | there are definitely multiple potential bottlenecks |
| 01:33.28 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface didn't seem to use much swap |
| 01:33.31 | verysoftoiletppr | only 160 |
| 01:33.40 | verysoftoiletppr | KB |
| 01:33.46 | verysoftoiletppr | that is like nothing right? |
| 01:33.48 | koollman | then my advice would be : install munin or some other graphing tool, get more extensive performance data to see what happens |
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| 01:34.02 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: oh, i thought you meant 160MB, which sounds like a lot to me. most my systems sit at 0 unless something is wrong |
| 01:34.07 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman I'm getting different performaces with different FS |
| 01:34.07 | koollman | then, try to fix the most obvious bottleneck. rinse, repeat |
| 01:34.21 | verysoftoiletppr | with EXT2 I almost max out my net interface |
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| 01:34.52 | verysoftoiletppr | but with ext3 ext4 exfat it's lower by 2 or 3 MB/s |
| 01:35.07 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: the problem is that bittorent performance cannot be tested easily, unless you make dozens of measurements |
| 01:35.14 | gnarface | koollman: so that's where we were at. trying different filesystems because that seemed like the most obvious bottleneck. then we got off into the weeds because xfs isn't in his kernel already |
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| 01:35.29 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman I've got good seeds |
| 01:35.39 | verysoftoiletppr | the value jumps to the maximum instantly |
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| 01:35.54 | verysoftoiletppr | the maximum is different depending on the FS |
| 01:36.08 | verysoftoiletppr | I repeated the measurements twice on each FS |
| 01:36.15 | verysoftoiletppr | not statistically significant |
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| 01:36.32 | verysoftoiletppr | but the difference was huge |
| 01:36.44 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: low ram or cpu still seems like strong culprits to me, but if ext4 is really worse with journaling disabled i'd be really interseted to see how xfs stacks up to ext2 in your case |
| 01:36.48 | verysoftoiletppr | 2/3/4 MB/s difference |
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| 01:37.02 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: alright. So, let's assume it's a fs speed problem. you can use a benchmark (I guess dd would be enough as a first measurement) to see the maximum speed you get |
| 01:37.54 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman dd gets much more than 11MBps which is the max of my network interface on http |
| 01:38.22 | verysoftoiletppr | I get allways betwen 25MB/s and 45MB/s with dd |
| 01:38.30 | koollman | time dd if=/dev/zero of=path/to/torrent/storage bs=1M count=1000 conv=fdatasync . (and if you didn't use fdatasync or sync or a similar trick, it's much less precise) |
| 01:38.32 | verysoftoiletppr | depending on the FS |
| 01:38.53 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman I did use fdatasync |
| 01:38.59 | koollman | ok. |
| 01:39.03 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 01:39.06 | gnarface | didn't know about fdatasync |
| 01:39.11 | jaggz | when does aptitude remove the config files of these 'c' marked packages? |
| 01:39.32 | jaggz | I did a purge on them but they're still 'c' |
| 01:39.35 | verysoftoiletppr | lets compare ext2 with ext4 with dd |
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| 01:39.52 | verysoftoiletppr | just finishing geting sunxi-linux |
| 01:40.11 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: if both speed are much higher than network speed, it's not too important |
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| 01:40.22 | koollman | getting it twice as fast won't matter if the bottleneck is elsewhere |
| 01:40.41 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman they are |
| 01:40.54 | koollman | tries to remember a simple test for random write speed |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | jaggz: sounds like you didn't purge the right package |
| 01:40.57 | gnarface | jaggz: does "dpkg --purge [packagename]" give you different results than aptitude? |
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| 01:41.23 | symlink | clear |
| 01:41.37 | jaggz | yeah.. fglrx-* is not matching anything but they show in the search |
| 01:41.43 | symlink | hey guys |
| 01:41.47 | jaggz | can't purch with wildcards? |
| 01:42.05 | gnarface | wouldn't suspect so |
| 01:42.14 | jaggz | k |
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| 01:42.43 | jaggz | my X doesn't work anymore on my old thinkpad.. after updating I believe is when it happened. |
| 01:43.04 | gnarface | jaggz: you could try quoting them to see if they are recognized by the package manager, but i'm pretty sure by default the '*' will just try to complete the package name by looking for matches in your current directory |
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| 01:43.27 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: which bittorent client are you using ? |
| 01:43.30 | symlink | i'm getting the following error whenever i pass "run" to gdb: warning: Could not load shared library symbols for linux-gate.so.1. |
| 01:43.33 | symlink | Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"? |
| 01:43.50 | symlink | anyone has an idea why it gives that error? |
| 01:43.52 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman rtorrent |
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| 01:43.59 | verysoftoiletppr | but am open to try other things |
| 01:44.05 | verysoftoiletppr | used deluge before |
| 01:44.16 | verysoftoiletppr | but rtorrent was more responsive |
| 01:44.25 | verysoftoiletppr | might try deluge on this hardware |
| 01:44.54 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface to be honest I don't know why they don't use the standard kernel |
| 01:45.02 | gnarface | symlink: gdb is still a mystery to me but did you 1) make sure that library is actually installed on your system in one of the default ld search paths then 2) run ldconfig? |
| 01:45.39 | gnarface | symlink: fyi that doesn't look like a standard linux component. so if you compiled+installed it yourself its likely you put it somewhere it doesn't know to look, if that's your question, yes |
| 01:46.03 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: which version of rtorrent ? (0.8.9 or higher would be nice for a performance boost) |
| 01:46.14 | verysoftoiletppr | here it is: http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux-tree-diff |
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| 01:46.31 | jaggz | gnarface: just removed them by hand.. * sounds dangerous I guess |
| 01:46.47 | gnarface | jaggz: better safe than sorry |
| 01:46.52 | symlink | i installed gdb through apt-get, i'll try the ldconfig thing |
| 01:47.00 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman 0.9.2. |
| 01:47.11 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux-tree-diff |
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| 01:47.37 | gnarface | symlink: check /etc/ld.so.conf and the files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d (they set your default ld library search paths) |
| 01:47.41 | jaggz | yup.. thanks :) |
| 01:47.50 | gnarface | symlink: make sure you installed the linux-gate.so.whatever into one of them |
| 01:47.52 | jaggz | here's my X log.. I'm not sure why it's not running: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?84867 |
| 01:48.09 | symlink | gnarface: will do, thanks |
| 01:48.16 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: well then I don't have many other suggestions. a decent benchmark for random write speed is bonnie++, but I don't have the time to help you use it |
| 01:48.53 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman right now I just wanted to try xfs |
| 01:48.57 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: you can compile your kernel by putting the current configuration file (usually /boot/config-versionname) in the source and renaming it .config |
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| 01:49.03 | verysoftoiletppr | and maybe reiserFS |
| 01:49.33 | jaggz | I setup X so it'll run from within screen.. since laptop is .. over there. but I'm ssh'ing to it from here. |
| 01:49.35 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: then you run make oldconfig, and then make menuconfig, then you find the filesystem options and enable the ones you want |
| 01:50.09 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman I see |
| 01:50.19 | verysoftoiletppr | my /boot is empty though |
| 01:50.28 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: might be unmounted by default |
| 01:50.32 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: mount /boot (as root) |
| 01:50.50 | verysoftoiletppr | mount: can't find /boot in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 01:51.00 | koollman | ew |
| 01:51.09 | koollman | that's not a very debianish system |
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| 01:51.26 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: reiserfs should do very well too especially for lots of small files, but won't stack up favorably to xfs as the files get larger (especially for deletions) |
| 01:51.26 | koollman | so, where's the kernel. /vmlinux or /vmlinuz ? :) |
| 01:52.03 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman selinux/? |
| 01:52.09 | koollman | verysoftoiletppr: no |
| 01:52.19 | koollman | that's interesting |
| 01:52.19 | jaggz | it looks like the card, 'ati mobility radeon 9000" is not listed as supported anymore |
| 01:52.26 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman it's empy |
| 01:52.29 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman it's empty |
| 01:53.04 | gnarface | jaggz: near as i can tell your ati radeon drivers are not fully installed. i don't know enough about ati drivers to know if this is just something you can solve by making a more specific manual xorg.conf or if you're missing your glx driver package or something |
| 01:53.13 | verysoftoiletppr | koollman http://paste.debian.net/19871/ |
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| 01:54.47 | gnarface | jaggz: i see it tries vesa and fbdev first (which is hardly ideal as its unlikely either of those are ever your actual first choice) then gives up on both and tries the radeon driver but fails to get hardware acceleration going, but doesn't bail out... so maybe the problem is with your window manager's compositor? are you using a compositing window manager, i forget if you mentioned? |
| 01:55.11 | gnarface | jaggz: judging from this xorg log alone, i'd assume X was working, as long as you started it with a window manager that didn't need opengl features |
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| 01:55.30 | gnarface | jaggz: (and if you did not, i'd expect it would boot and be garbled or have a black screen) |
| 01:55.39 | gnarface | jaggz: (or just be cripplingly slow) |
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| 01:56.20 | gnarface | jaggz: someone more familiar with configuring that particular card than me (i'm not an ATI fan) would probably have better info for you |
| 01:57.23 | symlink | gnarface: what did you mean by installing linux-gate.so into the conf files? |
| 01:58.38 | gnarface | symlink: i meant for you to to look in those files; they are text files whose literal contents are directory paths |
| 01:58.52 | gnarface | symlink: i meant for you to install the so file into one of the paths listed in one of those files |
| 01:59.24 | gnarface | symlink: /usr/local/lib would be the advised location, assuming its listed |
| 01:59.47 | gnarface | symlink: (then run ldconfig as root) |
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| 02:00.22 | gnarface | symlink: (ldconfig just updates the cache based on the paths listed in those files - gdb would be looking in the cache, i assume) |
| 02:01.14 | symlink | gnarface: ah, okay i'll try that |
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| 02:01.56 | gnarface | really needs to learn gdb one of these days |
| 02:02.18 | verysoftoiletppr | which package do I have to isntall to be able to add repositories with "deb ...." |
| 02:03.30 | abrotman | vi |
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| 02:04.06 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman :C |
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| 02:04.21 | verysoftoiletppr | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/deluge-team/ppa/ubuntu precise main |
| 02:04.28 | verysoftoiletppr | I want to do this |
| 02:04.32 | verysoftoiletppr | but there is no deb :( |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | i wouldn't do that |
| 02:06.11 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman nevertheless |
| 02:06.17 | verysoftoiletppr | how can I have deb |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | yeah, i'm going to help you break it .. great plan |
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| 02:07.14 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman it's only deluge |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | FLW |
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| 02:07.37 | verysoftoiletppr | the packages in debian repo are not up to date |
| 02:07.46 | verysoftoiletppr | 1.3.3 |
| 02:07.51 | verysoftoiletppr | vs 1.3.6 |
| 02:08.00 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: you'll cope./ |
| 02:08.00 | verysoftoiletppr | and http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Linux/Debian/Wheezy |
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| 02:08.07 | abrotman | so use the one in Debian |
| 02:08.08 | verysoftoiletppr | it's in the installation instructions |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | the installation instructions are "aptitude install deluge" |
| 02:08.49 | verysoftoiletppr | lol |
| 02:08.54 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: would you trust the people who develop deluge or the people who develop debian to know what's the best way to break your debian installation? |
| 02:09.16 | verysoftoiletppr | themill of course I would trust you |
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| 02:09.34 | verysoftoiletppr | but deluge has huge performance changes in the last versions |
| 02:09.57 | verysoftoiletppr | they release very sparsely |
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| 02:10.03 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: it ("deb" in your sources.list) should already be working. you've broken something *else* |
| 02:10.10 | themill | isn't the point of torrents that they just tick over in the background and performance is not important? |
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| 02:10.42 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface it wasn't me :P |
| 02:10.56 | verysoftoiletppr | themill that is one version of the story |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | !sns |
| 02:11.26 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 02:12.17 | verysoftoiletppr | deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 02:12.22 | verysoftoiletppr | it's already there |
| 02:12.43 | gusnan | deluge recommends a PPA for wheezy? ...Huh? |
| 02:12.48 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface nevermind I thought deb was a command |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | gusnan: they may not be the smartest people ? |
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| 02:13.30 | gusnan | abrotman, obviously... :) |
| 02:13.50 | verysoftoiletppr | gusnan to be honest they are no clear. in the installation instructions they suggest the PPA. In the download page they redirect to http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=deluge |
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| 02:15.25 | gnarface | recently ported an entire social network from ubuntu to debian systems successfully simply by ignoring all the PPA shit |
| 02:15.29 | verysoftoiletppr | there is no deluge in backports? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deluge&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
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| 02:15.50 | gnarface | had to backport a couple packages himself |
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| 02:16.23 | verysoftoiletppr | lets see if there is anyone in deluge |
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| 02:16.32 | verysoftoiletppr | #eluge |
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| 02:18.48 | verysoftoiletppr | wonders if gnarface is backporting deluge |
| 02:18.57 | SineTheCreator | hi all... i am rebuilding my file server and i was wondering if it is safe to use a USB external drive formatted as EXT4 for samba shares? |
| 02:19.12 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: sorry, no, that wasn't even something we were using |
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| 02:19.23 | SineTheCreator | the drive is a desktop type that will always be connected to the system in question |
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| 02:20.34 | verysoftoiletppr | SineTheCreator sound safe to me |
| 02:20.41 | gnarface | SineTheCreator: the only problem with that is if by "USB exernal drive" you mean "cheap flash ram" instead of a magnetic spinning-platter drive in a USB enclosure |
| 02:20.44 | verysoftoiletppr | SineTheCreator which version of USB? |
| 02:21.02 | SineTheCreator | gnarface: nah, it's a WD mybook with a 1TB WD green inside |
| 02:21.15 | SineTheCreator | verysoftoiletppr: USB2.0, the drive inside the enclosure is SATA3.0 |
| 02:21.32 | SineTheCreator | i'll be using a fairly old dell desktop with USB2 ports |
| 02:21.37 | verysoftoiletppr | USB2.0 won't allow full IO speed for the drive |
| 02:21.45 | gnarface | SineTheCreator: the only thing to watch for specifically with USB drives is cheap flash keys are known to wear out *significantly faster* with journaling filesystems like ext4 compared to fat32 |
| 02:22.06 | SineTheCreator | verysoftoiletppr: i understand that |
| 02:22.15 | SineTheCreator | my current fileserver has the WD green drive inside of it |
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| 02:22.25 | SineTheCreator | i.e. i took it out of the enclosure |
| 02:22.40 | verysoftoiletppr | SineTheCreator there are some enclosures with eSata |
| 02:22.49 | SineTheCreator | the problem is, the new (old) dell i am building to run my fileserver does not have any sata headers. it's all IDE. |
| 02:22.58 | gnarface | SineTheCreator: you can still experience some data loss due to power-outages and un-synced data but i believe there are changes you can make to make it sync data faster |
| 02:23.00 | SineTheCreator | verysoftoiletppr: sata isn't an option |
| 02:23.03 | SineTheCreator | USB is the only option here |
| 02:23.28 | SineTheCreator | gnarface: hrm, okay |
| 02:23.46 | gnarface | SineTheCreator: also, on that last note; i've seen suitable IDE->sata adapters |
| 02:23.49 | SineTheCreator | also one of the partitions on the drive is encrypted with LUKS |
| 02:24.16 | SineTheCreator | gnarface: i could do that, but let's pretend spending money on the project is not an option :D |
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| 02:24.20 | SineTheCreator | (because i have none :D ) |
| 02:24.42 | gnarface | i keep a pile of junk just to build stuff when i'm bored too. i totally understand |
| 02:24.42 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface lol http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Debian |
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| 02:25.04 | SineTheCreator | gnarface: yeah. this old dell hasn't seen any action in years apart from being an IDE rescue machine |
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| 02:25.45 | SineTheCreator | in any case, it will be safe to add my usb drive's partitions to /etc/fstab and have them automount at boot, then have their mountpoints listed in smb.conf? |
| 02:25.45 | symlink | gnarface: i might be tired or plain stupid, but linux-gate.so.* seems to be a dynamic file, i'm not sure how to install it into my /usr/local/lib directory |
| 02:25.50 | SineTheCreator | that's basically all i need to know :D |
| 02:26.00 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: fyi this isn't super high quality software. perhaps there's something alternate to deluge you could use with the same functionality but perhaps a bit more mature packaging/support ? |
| 02:26.25 | SineTheCreator | obviously i will also have nobootwait set just in case the power adapter for the usb drive comes unplugged or something |
| 02:26.56 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface that is rtorrent |
| 02:27.01 | gnarface | SineTheCreator: just make sure you mount by UUID instead of whatever numbered dev node |
| 02:27.05 | verysoftoiletppr | (actually not) |
| 02:27.08 | SineTheCreator | gnarface: gotcha. |
| 02:27.21 | SineTheCreator | welp, i guess i'll give it a shot then :D |
| 02:27.30 | SineTheCreator | i hope this works |
| 02:28.11 | verysoftoiletppr | that would be transmission |
| 02:28.31 | SineTheCreator | yeah transmission is fantastic |
| 02:28.51 | SineTheCreator | i use transmission-daemon on my fileserver and the regular client on OS X. both are fantastic. |
| 02:28.58 | verysoftoiletppr | lets give it a whirl |
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| 02:29.22 | verysoftoiletppr | SineTheCreator how many torrents do you have active on your server? |
| 02:29.30 | SineTheCreator | verysoftoiletppr: eh, one or two at a time |
| 02:29.32 | verysoftoiletppr | does it have a web interface? |
| 02:29.38 | verysoftoiletppr | SineTheCreator I have 1500 |
| 02:29.38 | SineTheCreator | yeah. i use the web interface, |
| 02:29.41 | SineTheCreator | jesus |
| 02:30.02 | SineTheCreator | that is ... a lot :D |
| 02:30.06 | SineTheCreator | you must have like 20 drives |
| 02:30.16 | SineTheCreator | if not the I/O wait alone would kill your rig |
| 02:30.17 | verysoftoiletppr | nah |
| 02:30.35 | verysoftoiletppr | 1 drive |
| 02:30.41 | SineTheCreator | ah |
| 02:30.44 | verysoftoiletppr | lots of small files |
| 02:30.44 | SineTheCreator | interesting |
| 02:30.57 | SineTheCreator | it's time to install debian on this old beast. bbl :D |
| 02:31.01 | verysoftoiletppr | the web interfaces struggle |
| 02:31.06 | verysoftoiletppr | both deluge and rutorrent |
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| 02:31.27 | verysoftoiletppr | but, the programs seem to work fine |
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| 02:33.11 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys. I downloaded youtube-viewer from github at https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer. i was able to build and install it with no issue. │ acrocity |
| 02:33.12 | Asad3ainJalout | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.14 | Asad3ainJalout | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.22 | Asad3ainJalout | forget what i just pasted it came out wrong |
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| 02:33.29 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys. I downloaded youtube-viewer from github at https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer. i was able to build and install it with no issue. │ acrocity |
| 02:34.46 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys. I downloaded youtube-viewer from github at https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer. i was able to build and install it with no issue. When I tried to run it gave me this error message "Perl v.5.16.0 required--this is only v5.14.2," I have the latest version of perl according to The Debian repositories. Is there any way to update it to the correct version, thank you |
| 02:35.05 | themill | No. You can't reasonably change the version of perl. |
| 02:35.45 | gnarface | eek. 5.16.0... Asad3ainJalout what on earth do you need that for? |
| 02:35.51 | Asad3ainJalout | so basically i cant use youtube-viewer till the debian repositories update. |
| 02:36.00 | gnarface | oh, right |
| 02:36.14 | Asad3ainJalout | gnarface: for youtube-viewer at taht link i posted up there :) |
| 02:36.15 | gnarface | but ... i can't imagine youtube-viewer really requires bleeding-edge perl either |
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| 02:36.38 | Asad3ainJalout | well trying to run it gives me that error message, would you like me to post the whole thing and not just the perl part |
| 02:36.44 | gnarface | no |
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| 02:36.54 | jmcnaught | Asad3ainJalout: maybe there's something for perl like python's virtualenv? |
| 02:36.55 | Asad3ainJalout | lol ok |
| 02:37.04 | themill | gnarface: they might be using some very recent language constructs. |
| 02:37.13 | Asad3ainJalout | jmcnaught: I wouldnt know im not that experienced in linux foo yet :) |
| 02:37.29 | gnarface | themill: there is no doubt in my head that its nothing good |
| 02:37.49 | themill | Asad3ainJalout: "find a different program" would be my advice at this stage. |
| 02:38.03 | gnarface | yea that would be my advice too |
| 02:38.14 | gnarface | unless its like something you can fix with a 2 line patch |
| 02:38.26 | Asad3ainJalout | themill: Yah im trying but I have yet to find something as good as youtube-viewer taht runs in terminal. I used youtube viewer on arch was amazing |
| 02:38.55 | Asad3ainJalout | you could not only search videos, but download, login to youtube, comment, read comments, like, make playslists, search in ways you cant search on the youtube browser etc |
| 02:39.02 | Asad3ainJalout | with the added benifit of not using flash |
| 02:39.28 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 02:39.37 | gnarface | seems to me there should be a way to do this with curl and ffmpeg |
| 02:40.10 | gnarface | and some clever bash |
| 02:40.14 | Asad3ainJalout | probably, but does it come int eh convenince of just typing two words into command line :) |
| 02:40.40 | Asad3ainJalout | edit: I fail at spelling |
| 02:42.48 | waqstar | hi, my mysql server wont start. When visiting the plesk site it gives this error "Unable to connect to database: mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: No such file or directory" |
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| 02:43.10 | waqstar | Also I tried to start mysql and it says job failed to start |
| 02:43.34 | gnarface | tragic |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | waqstar: i'd think you'd want to ask the Plesk people for help? |
| 02:43.54 | waqstar | ok |
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| 02:46.29 | milo64_ | does debian check the netinst download integrity? |
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| 02:46.54 | abrotman | milo64_: you can, md5sums are on the site |
| 02:46.59 | milo64_ | no |
| 02:47.04 | milo64_ | I am too lazy |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:47.18 | milo64_ | my ISP is sending shifting speed internet |
| 02:47.27 | milo64_ | I need to know everytthing is okay |
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| 02:47.35 | milo64_ | and it would be pain to download again. |
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| 02:47.47 | milo64_ | Because my internet is so slow. |
| 02:48.14 | milo64_ | will the installer check the integirty? |
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| 02:49.48 | milo64_ | abrotman: you know, the netinst downloads packages. I want to know if they are OK |
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| 02:49.56 | milo64_ | Not the ISO it self |
| 02:50.53 | milo64_ | abrotman: okay, where is the MD5sum? |
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| 02:51.46 | milo64_ | uh |
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| 02:52.25 | milo64_ | ... im going home. |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | milo64_: same directory |
| 02:52.31 | symlink | gnarface: linux-gate.so.1 seems to be a virtual file (vdso), i'm not sure how to point gdb to it |
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| 02:52.35 | abrotman | or don't wait |
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| 02:53.29 | sonofzeus | Hey There |
| 02:53.51 | sonofzeus | Has anyone ever installed debian from HDD? |
| 02:53.57 | sonofzeus | Does that really work? |
| 02:54.43 | sonofzeus | anyways where can I find these files (vmlinuz (kernel binary) initrd.gz (ramdisk image)) on the debian website ? |
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| 02:58.00 | jaggz | gnarface: thank you .. |
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| 03:00.18 | babilen | sonofzeus: e.g. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 03:01.52 | gnarface | jaggz: sorry i couldn't be of more help |
| 03:02.02 | gnarface | symlink: you mean, like a symlink? |
| 03:02.25 | gnarface | symlink: you didn't compile this yourself? |
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| 03:03.27 | gnarface | symlink: or, were there more with it? maybe it needs a couple other .so files to go with it? |
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| 03:04.36 | gnarface | symlink: sorry, i don't know what makes a vdso different from a normal library file |
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| 03:11.47 | sonofzeus | babilen I still can't find it. |
| 03:12.04 | babilen | sonofzeus: It's in the directly that I linked?! |
| 03:12.11 | babilen | *directory that is |
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| 03:12.29 | sonofzeus | Is the file same for all architectures? |
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| 03:14.42 | babilen | No, you naturally have to download the one for your architecture. You might want to start at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 03:15.28 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=transmission |
| 03:15.53 | verysoftoiletppr | in order to install a version other then the one in wheeze there should exist a backport? |
| 03:18.21 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: You can create backports yourself for some packages for which all build-dependencies are in either wheezy or wheezy-backports. See <ssb> for further details. (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 03:19.17 | babilen | But then, it is not always a good idea to do that and quite a pain to maintain a system with a lot of local backports. I'd recommend to follow this route only if you *really* need the newer version .. you still seem to suffer from SNS |
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| 03:20.26 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen it depends on the software |
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| 03:28.16 | jmcnaught | verysoftoiletppr: did you try the version of transmission available in wheezy? it's really a good idea to stick to what's available in the default repositories unless you have a very specific need |
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| 03:28.50 | verysoftoiletppr | jmcnaught why is it such good idea? |
| 03:29.25 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: yea try the version already there first. usually there is something wrong with the new versions (even if it is only that they are new and largely unproven in the wild) |
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| 03:29.59 | jmcnaught | verysoftoiletppr: well the way i see it: we love debian because it's stable. it's stable because people put a lot of work into testing the packages as they move from experimental->unstable->testing->stable. using software from outside sources throws away all that work |
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| 03:30.44 | verysoftoiletppr | jmcnaught but it defeats the purpose if you want the latest version of a specific software and can't use bucause you shouldn't |
| 03:31.32 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: but weren't we troubleshooting a throughput problem? just the fact transmission is an entirely different daemon should be sufficient for that. you don't need the "latest version" |
| 03:31.34 | jmcnaught | well that's a trade-off with debian. you get stability, but sometimes have to wait for the newest stuff |
| 03:31.35 | themill | If you want to micromanage specific versions of things and don't actually care about whether everything works together as a distribution, perhaps Debian is not for you |
| 03:31.57 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface that is partially true |
| 03:32.05 | verysoftoiletppr | I want to get the best possible speed |
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| 03:32.10 | verysoftoiletppr | that is my objective |
| 03:32.27 | verysoftoiletppr | this version of transmission doesn't have uTP yet |
| 03:32.34 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: in most situations the latest version is only newer by version number alone, and will have no extra useful features. even in the event that it does have newer features (especially if it does in fact) its more likely that they'll be buggy features than in the existing version and you'll not be able to use them *anyway* |
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| 03:33.14 | jmcnaught | verysoftoiletppr: i use transmission from wheezy and it has uTP. i don't use it though |
| 03:33.22 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface well, the version I've got certainly has new features as wll |
| 03:33.23 | verysoftoiletppr | well |
| 03:33.49 | verysoftoiletppr | when it was released they had the same probability of being buggy as the ones in the latest version |
| 03:34.04 | gnarface | right, but the debian version is *patched* |
| 03:34.11 | gnarface | that's the part you're ignoring. |
| 03:34.51 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface what you exactly mean with that? |
| 03:35.02 | verysoftoiletppr | jmcnaught buggy uTP |
| 03:35.06 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: important security+stability fixes *will* be included, typically, so you can't evaluate the debian version's age by version#alone |
| 03:35.41 | babilen | not at all |
| 03:35.43 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: so the moral of the story is; try it first. maybe you'll like it |
| 03:35.50 | verysoftoiletppr | Transmission 2.60 (2012/07/05) |
| 03:35.52 | jmcnaught | i don't like uTP. i'm no expert on networking, but it seems like an abusive use of UDP |
| 03:35.55 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface I've tried |
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| 03:36.15 | verysoftoiletppr | Updated versions of miniupnpc and libuTP |
| 03:36.31 | verysoftoiletppr | Transmission 2.74 (2012/12/10) |
| 03:36.33 | verysoftoiletppr | Add filtering of addresses used for uTP peer connections |
| 03:36.36 | verysoftoiletppr | Fix detection of whether or not a peer supports uTP connections |
| 03:37.17 | gnarface | what do you even need uTP for? isn't that something for auto-configuring firewalls? |
| 03:37.32 | gnarface | doesn't understand how that could help performance if your network is properly configured |
| 03:37.55 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface no it's a protocol created by utorrent which makes transfers faster |
| 03:38.01 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: you can always try to make your own backport of the sid version. |
| 03:38.22 | jmcnaught | gnarface: you're thinking of uPNP. uDP is this bittorrent innovation of using UDP packets as if they were TCP packets |
| 03:39.04 | gnarface | jmcnaught: oh, you're right |
| 03:39.11 | gnarface | i was thinking of uPNP |
| 03:39.30 | verysoftoiletppr | any way |
| 03:40.02 | verysoftoiletppr | with transmission it doesn't seem to exist a difference between file systems |
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| 03:40.20 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface I also wanted to benchmark the clients |
| 03:40.36 | verysoftoiletppr | it's unfair to compare the latest version of rtorrent |
| 03:40.43 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: the version in sid currently is 2.81 |
| 03:41.55 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: but as i said, important backports/fixes are usually included, so you can't just trust the upstream changelog on that uTP fix... could be in the wheezy version already for all i know |
| 03:42.38 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: if there aren't a lot of external dependencies that *also* need to be backported, backporting from sid is pretty easy |
| 03:42.50 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface isn't that documented? the extra fixes and patches? |
| 03:43.13 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i assume so, in the debian changelog. i didn't look for you but you can check packages.debian.org |
| 03:43.26 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i *think* they'd be listed there somewhere... abrotman am i right about that? |
| 03:43.39 | verysoftoiletppr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.47 | jmcnaught | http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/transmission/2.52-3+nmu1 transmission in wheezy has a uTP patch |
| 03:43.51 | verysoftoiletppr | this was installed with transmission daemon |
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| 03:45.10 | verysoftoiletppr | jmcnaught nice |
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| 03:48.28 | jmcnaught | uTP on my roommate's bittorrent client was the cause of a week of mysterious router crashes for me once. it worked fine on his computer (ktorrent i think) but was killing my tomato router almost hourly |
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| 03:51.59 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: did we finally cure your SNS? |
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| 03:55.18 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface maybe |
| 03:55.27 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface I want to try xfs |
| 03:55.33 | verysoftoiletppr | need to compile the kernel |
| 03:56.53 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: yea, sometimes there is a pre-existing example config file for your particular hardware. that helped me with my palm pilot at least. i think the example config files may even be already in the kernel source somewhere, dormant you just gotta know where they are |
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| 03:57.32 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: that would be a good starting place, probably, or just the config you're currently running |
| 03:57.45 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i'd compare both and see which had the most unused crap disabled, probably |
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| 03:57.57 | verysoftoiletppr | need to find them :/ |
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| 03:58.03 | verysoftoiletppr | tomorrow I will do that |
| 03:58.11 | verysoftoiletppr | today it's way to late |
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| 04:07.33 | verysoftoiletppr | rtorrent used 20% ram |
| 04:07.43 | verysoftoiletppr | transmission uses onlt 1.7% |
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| 04:13.11 | Lady_Aleena | Quickly, are there screenshots for installing Debina and if so, where are they? I want to get an idea of what I will be looking at and what I need to know in advance. |
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| 04:16.32 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: have you asked google, I have seen some but don't know of any off the top of my head |
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| 04:16.43 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the text base installer has a blue background and an ncurses interface |
| 04:17.24 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I was hoping for a GUI. |
| 04:17.37 | jmcnaught | there's also a graphical install option at the boot prompt. why not try it in a VM first? |
| 04:17.44 | somiaj | there is a graphicall installer, though the text base installer is good and would be my suggestion to use it |
| 04:18.45 | jmcnaught | i agree, the text installer is very good and just as easy as the graphical install. all the same questions are asked, phrased the same way |
| 04:18.52 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I want to completely jump ship from Microsoft. I'll have to do it eventually, so why not now? |
| 04:19.23 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: so you can mess up a few times and still have a working computer |
| 04:19.41 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the text based installer requires moving up and down though menus with the arrow keys. Fairly straight forward, only a few questions that require you to type anything. |
| 04:19.54 | somiaj | and it guides you fairly well on a standard setup |
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| 04:20.21 | Lady_Aleena | There is such a thing as a standard setup? :) |
| 04:20.30 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: it's just a suggestion. if you've never used VM software before and really want to get into debian then go for it. it's good to have a second working computer around in case you have to look stuff up |
| 04:20.33 | pablo | hello guys, how can I list leaf packages in debian? |
| 04:21.54 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, you are correct. I have never used VM software before. I have several computer which will still be up and running in another room just in case. I want to get Debian set up on this computer, see what I can do with it, then set it up on all of the other comptuers in the house. |
| 04:22.02 | somiaj | pablo: leaf packages? |
| 04:22.12 | Lady_Aleena | s/several computer/several computers/; |
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| 04:22.30 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea internet access is nice if you run across any errors. With good google searchs you can find solutions |
| 04:22.32 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: just give it a try then. are you planning on keeping windows on the computer too? |
| 04:23.14 | pablo | somiaj: the ones that do not depend on other packages |
| 04:23.33 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, no, I am leaving Microsoft behind since they are no longer going to support my version after April 8, 2014. |
| 04:24.05 | somiaj | pablo: what are you trying to do in the long term? aptitude search can do lots of cool stuff like what you ask |
| 04:24.58 | Lady_Aleena | Microsoft is dropping Windows XP SP3 and Office 2003 on the same day. Those are the only Microsoft programs I use. |
| 04:25.49 | pablo | somiaj: I am only trying to list the leaf packages of my system |
| 04:26.05 | Lady_Aleena | is still worried about her email even with all of the documentation she has found. |
| 04:26.44 | Lady_Aleena | has been using Outlook since the 90s. |
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| 04:29.52 | pablo | somiaj: I meant to say: a package on which no other package depends on |
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| 04:40.38 | milo64 | hey i have some problem on my system |
| 04:41.38 | milo64 | I switched to XFCE from KDE. I installed zsh to replace my bash. I also did the "chsh" to change the shell for both me and root. Now, the problem is the xfce4-terminal doesn't run /bin/zsh but still run bash |
| 04:41.42 | milo64 | How do i fix this? |
| 04:41.51 | milo64 | i want it to run zsh but instead it runs bash |
| 04:42.01 | milo64 | even if i use "chsh" to change to zsh |
| 04:43.19 | Coburn | is it possible to compile the kernel modules without having to recompile? |
| 04:43.26 | Coburn | the whole kernel, that is |
| 04:44.37 | tekkbuzz | if I run all of: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade , I still get a system notification saying there is a new version of Kubuntu available. Anyone know why apt-get doesn't upgrade that? |
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| 04:45.43 | milo64 | god 3 questions in a row |
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| 04:46.08 | milo64 | that's total madness.. You don't have to answer my questions, now then. Help the 2. |
| 04:47.11 | tekkbuzz | sorry, there are 1191 in here. |
| 04:47.20 | milo64 | tekkbuzz: excuse me?? kubuntu? check what channel you are here. |
| 04:47.40 | tekkbuzz | kubuntu is in the repos, is it not? |
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| 04:47.50 | milo64 | ....? |
| 04:48.13 | milo64 | kubuntu is a Ubuntu-based distro with KDE. Debian is another distro. |
| 04:48.18 | milo64 | this is #debian |
| 04:48.27 | milo64 | you should ask in #kubuntu |
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| 04:49.33 | tekkbuzz | I thought debian and ubuntu were basicly somewhat same derivative, I had no luck in #ubuntu. |
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| 04:49.58 | milo64 | tekkbuzz: but the repos and apps in the repo are not the same |
| 04:50.09 | milo64 | same package manager but not resource |
| 04:50.21 | tekkbuzz | okay sorry then, thanks, I will move along. |
| 04:50.30 | milo64 | tekkbuzz: no luck in #ubuntu because you want to join #kubuntu |
| 04:50.51 | tekkbuzz | probably :) but I run both. |
| 04:52.37 | tekkbuzz | can I run kde with debian? and is the repo selection as large as ubuntu's repos? |
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| 04:53.56 | milo64 | chsh doesn't change default shell to /bin/zsh ; how can i make my default shell /bin/zsh ? |
| 04:55.28 | Scar3cr0w | yes you can run kde in debian (or any other flavor if you wish) |
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| 04:55.49 | tekkbuzz | milo64: /etc/passwd |
| 04:55.51 | themill | milo64: /usr/bin/zsh? |
| 04:55.57 | Scar3cr0w | and it has things in it's repos that ubuntu doesn't and vice versa, but they are both pretty darn close |
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| 04:56.22 | tekkbuzz | Scar3cr0w: thanks! |
| 04:56.37 | Scar3cr0w | word :) |
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| 04:56.56 | Scar3cr0w | honestly they probably have a few more things in their repos |
| 04:57.03 | Scar3cr0w | but not much difference |
| 04:57.04 | themill | unlikely |
| 04:57.13 | milo64 | tekkbuzz: editting /etc/passwd is not a good idea. The correct way round is to use "chsh" |
| 04:57.22 | milo64 | themill: hmmm... okay, i'l try |
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| 04:58.00 | milo64 | themill: niether /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh worked |
| 04:58.17 | themill | is /usr/bin/zsh not in /etc/shells? |
| 04:58.29 | themill | (actually, both should be) |
| 04:59.08 | milo64 | themill: both are in /etc/shells ; chsh returned 0 just fine |
| 05:01.33 | milo64 | themill: you are flat out of ideas? |
| 05:01.34 | milo64 | ... |
| 05:01.37 | themill | what do you mean by "chsh returned 0 just fine"? |
| 05:02.15 | milo64 | themill: running echo $? after "chsh", gives "0". This means chsh return 0. |
| 05:02.27 | themill | ok. But the /etc/passwd is not changed? |
| 05:02.33 | milo64 | it is |
| 05:02.34 | tekkbuzz | milo64: try: usermod -s |
| 05:02.42 | themill | milo64: so what's not working? |
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| 05:03.01 | themill | is confused |
| 05:03.01 | milo64 | uh |
| 05:03.08 | milo64 | wait a sec... |
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| 05:04.19 | milo64 | if i run "su root" or "su MYUSERNAME", it will open zsh automatically. BUT! If i open another terminal with xfce4-terminal, it doesn't work |
| 05:04.27 | milo64 | This is probably the terminal |
| 05:05.20 | themill | Is the terminal configured to run "bash". (also you might want to use "su -" to make sure you get a login shell) |
| 05:05.29 | milo64 | okay |
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| 05:05.39 | milo64 | just a sec... afk |
| 05:06.26 | milo64 | rebooting the xfce4-terminal didn't work |
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| 05:10.44 | milo64 | By default, Terminal will use the login shell of the user who starts the application <== from the quick start guide for XFCE terminal, this is weird. I am sure my login shell is /bin/zsh, but xfce4-terminal will run /bin/bash only |
| 05:12.21 | tekkbuzz | milo64: what happens if you: su - -p |
| 05:12.56 | milo64 | bash appears |
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| 05:14.47 | milo64 | tekkbuzz: somebody suggested just now for me to log out, i'll be afk now |
| 05:15.16 | tekkbuzz | k |
| 05:15.24 | themill | yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if $SHELL is just inherited from your X session rather than being looked up each time you start a new shell. |
| 05:15.46 | milo64 | okay, i am back on the bouncer now |
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| 05:16.04 | milo64 | take a guess |
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| 05:16.16 | themill | It also wouldn't surprise me if there was a hard-coded /bin/bash default that you had to change in a config file somewhere... |
| 05:16.32 | milo64 | oka |
| 05:16.39 | milo64 | it worked. got zsh up and running |
| 05:16.44 | milo64 | thanks all |
| 05:16.49 | themill | dpkg, congratulate milo64 |
| 05:16.49 | dpkg | Nice one milo64, you did it! |
| 05:17.35 | milo64 | tx |
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| 05:38.54 | tekkbuzz | got the answer to my previous question: do-release-upgrade |
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| 05:48.17 | milo64 | should i set my GPG to expire? |
| 05:48.18 | milo64 | or not? |
| 05:51.47 | themill | milo64: https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+paow/openpgp-best-practices#set-an-expiration-date-if-you-do-not-have-one |
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| 05:52.45 | milo64 | thanks |
| 05:52.59 | milo64 | ...it's pretty tedious when i can't find good PGP info from google |
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| 05:57.58 | milo64 | okay, and how do i renew it? |
| 05:58.08 | milo64 | if it expires? I seriously cannot find it on google |
| 05:58.08 | ImaLamer | create a new ke |
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| 05:58.15 | ImaLamer | why |
| 05:58.29 | milo64 | ImaLamer: it's just those lame "Symantic" sites. |
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| 05:58.34 | mumpitze1 | milo64: you create a new one and upload to a keyserver. what else? |
| 05:58.43 | milo64 | oh... |
| 05:58.51 | milo64 | i thought you have to sign the old one... |
| 05:58.57 | milo64 | I just create as i used to, huh? |
| 05:59.35 | ImaLamer | ideally you can overlap these keys if you use wildly different entropy and keyphrases |
| 05:59.56 | ImaLamer | wildly being a scientific term there |
| 06:01.01 | milo64 | *sigh*, so i create a new one just like i used to, right? |
| 06:01.12 | milo64 | to renew it |
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| 06:01.38 | ImaLamer | right, it's a good thing (tm) though |
| 06:02.03 | ImaLamer | before this one (?) expires you publish your new |
| 06:02.29 | ImaLamer | *gnu |
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| 06:04.27 | themill | milo64: no, you can change the expires date just as the link I gave you shows |
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| 06:07.13 | milo64 | themill: wow.. okay, so i just --edit-key and then specify 1y on the "expire" command to extend another year |
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| 06:10.54 | WindozeNT96 | I have an FFMPEG question. |
| 06:10.58 | WindozeNT96 | Is there a way I can reverse an audio file so that it plays backwards? |
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| 06:12.39 | themill | WindozeNT96: https://sites.google.com/site/linuxencoding/ffmpeg-tips ? |
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| 06:14.43 | WindozeNT96 | It doesn't have the command for FFMPEG. it only has it for SOX. |
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| 06:15.13 | WindozeNT96 | There's no iOS port of SOX to my knowledge. |
| 06:15.13 | themill | Given that the site is "ffmpeg tips" perhaps that is your answer? |
| 06:15.24 | themill | WindozeNT96: this is #debian... sox exists in debian |
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| 06:18.45 | ImaLamer | i don't think ffmepg is your best tool |
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| 06:21.14 | ImaLamer | it's just an audio file? |
| 06:21.33 | themill | ImaLamer: it's rather offtopic, and he's also gone. |
| 06:22.04 | milo64 | hmm |
| 06:22.05 | ImaLamer | right |
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| 06:27.40 | Deep6 | guys, if I have a dd image of an sd card, does it matter what block size to write it back to an sd card I use? |
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| 06:27.52 | Deep6 | and if so, how do I know what bs I used? |
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| 06:28.06 | Deep6 | when i made the "back up" |
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| 06:28.42 | fragtastic | Deep6, it should be fine just writing it back |
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| 06:29.13 | Deep6 | ok |
| 06:29.27 | bullgard4 | Lady_Aleena: Here is a graphical Debian installer video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7gcW6oTSew Although it is Spanish, you can follow the pictures. |
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| 06:40.11 | cerjam | i'm sure this is the wrong place to ask this but im beyond desperate, anyone got any ideas on how to recover a php file that uploaded wrong and is now empty/ |
| 06:40.27 | Willdude123 | How do I update my debian VPS without reloading the OS? |
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| 06:40.38 | cerjam | dist upgrade? |
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| 06:41.41 | Willdude123 | Yes to wheezy |
| 06:42.03 | codygman | Hey guys, I use my hosts file to make aliases for servers I ssh into. Problem is ec2-ip-address-here.compute-1.amazonaws.com myalias.dev doesn't work? Anyone know another way to accomplish this? |
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| 06:44.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Willdude123 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 06:44.59 | Willdude123 | Probably best just to reflash, isn't it? |
| 06:45.07 | themill | upgrading is easy enough |
| 06:45.59 | ImaLamer | codygman: if it's just them... |
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| 06:46.51 | RJ45 | I wanna become a Package Maintainer for a few games that aren't currently in the Raspbian (Raspberry Pi OS) repo, but I'm having problems with pbuilder... |
| 06:47.10 | RJ45 | it comes up with some errors, the most important one being 'Failed getting release' |
| 06:47.28 | RJ45 | is there a way I can specifically specify a release URL in pbuilder, so I don't have this problem? |
| 06:48.09 | themill | RJ45: are you building packages for Debian or for Raspbian? |
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| 06:49.08 | RJ45 | themill: Raspbian, but the #raspbian chan is pretty hopeless at this stuff |
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| 06:50.20 | themill | RJ45: that's not really something we can help with. Raspbian claims to just be recompiling debian for armv6, so you'd do better becoming the Debian maintainer for the packages and they will eventually flow to raspbian. |
| 06:50.23 | themill | dpkg: tell RJ45 about nmg |
| 06:52.10 | RJ45 | look, I need this package done specifically for Raspbian okay, the package has been in Debian repos for years now, but not the Raspbian repo, I cancomile it, but I really want to release a .deb for it okay. |
| 06:52.30 | RJ45 | can compile* |
| 06:52.38 | themill | which package? |
| 06:52.54 | RJ45 | I don't feel it relevant to say. |
| 06:53.18 | RJ45 | can someone please just tell me how to fix pbuilder? |
| 06:53.22 | themill | RJ45: well I was hoping to find an on-topic angle to your question. #raspbian is over there →. bye. |
| 06:54.02 | RJ45 | themill: why!?, I already mentioned the nature of my problem! |
| 06:54.28 | RJ45 | themill: is it really so hard to just help me with pbuilder? |
| 06:54.43 | themill | Raspbian support is in #raspbian. I don't think this is hard. |
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| 06:55.29 | RJ45 | themill: #raspbian is full of people who havn't a clue about pbuilder! |
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| 06:55.59 | RJ45 | pbuilder is pretty standard with regular Debian, why not ask here? |
| 06:56.17 | RJ45 | what I learn is transferable! |
| 06:56.17 | themill | RJ45: that's not really our problem. (a) this is a user-support channel, not a developer-support channel. (b) pbuilder in debian works just fine. |
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| 07:02.09 | DosKey | I remember the days of manually configuring x11 proprietary drivers + beryl/CF... I personally think gnome3 should have incorporated more of compiz into it |
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| 07:10.59 | tiron | hey fellas |
| 07:11.02 | cerjam | sup |
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| 07:11.27 | tiron | say I have a file's path found through locate, as in: "locate foo" |
| 07:11.33 | tiron | if I wanted to open that path up im VIM |
| 07:11.38 | tiron | without CDing into that dir |
| 07:11.43 | tiron | how's a chump to do that? |
| 07:12.01 | tiron | my intuition says it has something to do with a pipe | |
| 07:12.23 | tiron | but my intuition has failed me many times |
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| 07:13.06 | tiron | something like "vim | locate foo" ... which obviously doesn't work, but what will? |
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| 07:13.41 | themill | vim $(locate foo) |
| 07:14.02 | themill | (assuming there is only one foo found and your filenames and directories don't have spaces in them etc) |
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| 07:14.41 | tekkbuzz | why doesn't just vim 'filepath/name' work? |
| 07:14.59 | tiron | themill, yup, that's the one. And yes, in this case there was only one result, but say there were multiples, can I use an index? would that be through bash? |
| 07:15.18 | tiron | tekkbuzz: it will, I was justy trying to spruce up my springyness in bash |
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| 07:18.32 | silidan | hi, im using debian squeeze 64 bit, i currently route all audio thorugh jack, when i start audacity it stops jack how can i prevent that? |
| 07:18.44 | themill | tiron: vim might actually have an option to select the Nth file in the list automatically, but I'd use head or tail or sed to select the line I wanted. |
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| 07:20.21 | tiron | themill: I'll google around for that, thanks |
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| 07:26.33 | jdoles | It seems that if one needs to switch domain all the time that this isn't going to be very efficient. |
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| 07:55.22 | nkuttler | what would you use to get all mails from a specific date range from a Maildir? |
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| 07:56.00 | nkuttler | ah, never mind, i'll just tag + copy them by hand |
| 07:57.15 | Yong_ | Any here there know whats going on, why Debian.org have remove all stable version? except 7.1.0? |
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| 07:57.48 | korn36 | Yong_: maybe they ran out of space |
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| 07:58.05 | nkuttler | Yong_: older versions have know security errors? or are you looking for pre-wheezy |
| 07:58.13 | korn36 | but why someone would use old debian squeeze anyway? |
| 07:58.27 | Yong_ | korn36 - Hm, is possible |
| 07:58.29 | themill | Yong_: what specifically are you looking for? |
| 07:59.21 | Yong_ | nkuttler - Is possible is cut be that |
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| 08:00.05 | Yong_ | korn36 - Because i cant use 7.1.0, and i think support for IP v4 is remove |
| 08:00.25 | nkuttler | Yong_: what? |
| 08:00.37 | themill | no. There are only a few dozen packages that differ between 7.0 and 7.1 |
| 08:00.45 | Yong_ | themill - Looking for stable version 7.0.0 |
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| 08:01.12 | korn36 | Yong_: support for ipv4 is remove?! wtf?! |
| 08:01.22 | korn36 | ipv4 worked fine for me on 7.1.0 |
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| 08:01.39 | nkuttler | Yong_: ipv4 works just fine |
| 08:01.47 | vectr0n | ipv4 and ipv6 work fine on 7.1.0 for me |
| 08:01.53 | Yong_ | Ohh 0o |
| 08:02.04 | Yong_ | Confused for i get no errors under my install |
| 08:02.18 | themill | Yong_: Debian 7 is a stable release. We're hardly going to make massive changes like that. |
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| 08:03.10 | Yong_ | themill - I know, and fair |
| 08:03.18 | korn36 | Yong_: live images are still available for debian 7.0.0 |
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| 08:03.28 | Yong_ | I going to reinstall Debian right now, so we see i get same error |
| 08:03.33 | korn36 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0-live/ |
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| 08:04.46 | korn36 | the debian-live-7.0.0-*-standard is without gui i think |
| 08:05.01 | Yong_ | Is live not a live cd to use to not install, right? |
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| 08:05.48 | korn36 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.18 | korn36 | normal 7.0.0 iso images available on thepiratebay |
| 08:06.21 | korn36 | http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8442441/debian-7.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 08:06.28 | korn36 | http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8476583/debian-7.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 08:07.13 | Yong_ | confused, under new install i still not get IPv4 on ifconfig 0o |
| 08:07.17 | themill | Yong_: there are 7.0.0 ISO image on the cd mirrors still but there's no point in using them rather than the 7.1 images. |
| 08:07.36 | themill | It would be better if we saw real commands and real output. |
| 08:07.53 | Yong_ | I make a Screenshot |
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| 08:08.04 | themill | !paste |
| 08:08.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:09.47 | Yong_ | themill - Here: http://www.myupload.dk/v/1eY4Ddxoo.png |
| 08:10.07 | Yong_ | Is new install you got there |
| 08:11.27 | vectr0n | Yong_: you need to assign an IP or enable DHCP |
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| 08:14.07 | Yong_ | Doh my bad, i have forgot i must set my right netcard under settings. Fucking stupid off me |
| 08:14.14 | Yong_ | But thx for your help |
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| 08:14.31 | vectr0n | Yong_: it happens :) |
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| 08:15.41 | Yong_ | vectr0n - Yeah :/ |
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| 08:22.56 | milo64 | how can i check the expiry date of my PGP key? |
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| 08:24.56 | leafwiz | Hey, what would be the easiest way to download emails over imap to files so I can parse them with a script? |
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| 08:26.07 | niklaswe | leafwiz: can this be something.. http://eric.lubow.org/2007/perl/mailimapclient/ |
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| 08:38.40 | bitonic` | how does one understand if he’s running testing or unstable? if I cat “/etc/issue”, I get “jessie/sid”, which confuses me because jessie is the current name for testing but sid is unstable |
| 08:39.04 | vectr0n | jessie is testing from my understanding |
| 08:39.12 | mumpitzel | look into you sources.list |
| 08:40.03 | korn36 | i run jessie and /etc/os-release says jessie/sid |
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| 08:40.25 | korn36 | probably because of the liquorix repo for sid added |
| 08:40.37 | bitonic` | mumpitzel: well there I have both jessie and experimental, since occasionally I install something from there (e.g. firefox) |
| 08:41.24 | mumpitzel | experimental is not unstable. and now you know what you run: a mix of testing and experimental |
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| 08:44.47 | v4nelle | guys can anybody install bleachbit on testing? |
| 08:44.58 | v4nelle | it show me "unable to locate" |
| 08:45.15 | korn36 | v4nelle: i'll check, but now i'm installing wine |
| 08:45.25 | v4nelle | ok.thx |
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| 08:47.03 | mumpitzel | !tell v4nelle about bat |
| 08:47.27 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:47.29 | bitonic` | mumpitzel: well, OK. what does “jessie/sid” means then? |
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| 08:48.14 | korn36 | v4nelle: bleachbit installed fine |
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| 08:48.35 | korn36 | runs fine too |
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| 08:49.11 | v4nelle | it worked fine for me now... |
| 08:49.13 | mumpitzel | bitonic: it means "jessie or sid". if you install unstable and then don't upgrade any package for 2 months: you then most probably run an outdated snapshot of testing since not only has unstable new package versions, even testing has newer ones than you run. there is no meaningful "testing" or "unstable" release |
| 08:49.20 | v4nelle | i cant imagine what happends before |
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| 08:49.28 | mumpitzel | which is why debian shows it as jessie/unstable" |
| 08:49.37 | bitonic | mumpitzel: “jessie or sid”? |
| 08:49.42 | bitonic | anyway, I never installed unstable |
| 08:49.49 | mumpitzel | bitonic: doesn't matter |
| 08:49.58 | bitonic | is there a way to check which packages come from which repository? |
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| 08:50.01 | mumpitzel | v4nelle: dpkg wrote you a message. please follow it |
| 08:50.08 | bitonic | like, which packages are not from testing? |
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| 08:50.37 | mumpitzel | bitonic: apt-cache policy <package>. but that's meaningless: after a package is 2 weeks in unstable it's moved to testing. so even if you installed it from testing, it will soon be in both repos |
| 08:50.57 | mumpitzel | sorry: if you installed it from unstable |
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| 08:51.15 | bitonic | uhm right, thanks |
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| 09:58.48 | Rix | hi, i've setup bind and disallowed recursion, but i got flooded with dns requests (for other domains), the good part is that my setup is fine - they get refused (in tcpdump i see that), but the bad part is that i don't want to reply to these requests, even with 'Refused' reply in order to save bandwidth |
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| 09:59.01 | Rix | is there a way to do that |
| 09:59.57 | etherape | set rate limit in iptables on port 53 per source |
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| 10:01.25 | koollman | I wouldn't do that |
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| 10:04.13 | koollman | Rix: there are a lot of chances of breaking something if you try to do not answer to thise requests |
| 10:05.01 | Rix | okey i will leave it as it is |
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| 10:05.12 | koollman | and 'nxdomain' answers are really rather small |
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| 10:08.42 | Rix | btw i i'm wondering another thing - in my server i have statistics and last week i see that there are spikes in the load average - usually i can diagnozise that - either CPU or IO but both are not spiking, i've checked all possible statistics and there are no spikes, i've checked all logs and everything is fine, no unusual stuff |
| 10:09.16 | Rix | the spikes are 10-20 load average in the 1 minute interval and the 5/15 interval is a little bit higher (it was 0.4-1.00 now it is 2-3) |
| 10:09.33 | Rix | cpu load is always 0%, only in one core i've put a soft but it stays below 15% always |
| 10:09.52 | Rix | cpu usage * |
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| 10:10.32 | Rix | htop and iotop show nothing unusual during the spikes |
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| 10:13.16 | DNS | Rix: you are lying, i didn't flood you! D: |
| 10:13.25 | DNS | Rix: jk ofc heh |
| 10:13.38 | Rix | ;] |
| 10:13.39 | SM0TVI | Rix: BTW, where do these requests come from? I've had a lot of spurious registrations on an in-house wiki, with the same user logging in from Chicago, IL and from Guanzho 15 min later. |
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| 10:14.41 | SM0TVI | notes he has seen a marked increase in probing as of late. |
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| 10:16.14 | Rix | SM0TVI there are not many - 5-6 ips and i've reported some of them to their ISP. The thing is that my DNS had recursion set to on and they probably scan the networks and if they find an open resolver start amplifications.. i've set recursion to no two hours ago, but they still make 500 requests per second |
| 10:16.48 | SM0TVI | Rix: Whoah. |
| 10:17.27 | koollman | Rix: if there are not many, you can just block these specific ip |
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| 10:18.15 | koollman | Rix: and yes, you shouldn't have recursion enabled for everyone, but you said you fixed that, so it's fine |
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| 10:19.13 | koollman | and 500 req/s is a lot. maybe you can limit things a bit without breaking too much stuff :) |
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| 10:20.24 | koollman | Rix: something like this (take a bit of time to understand it) should help : iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 53 -m hashlimit --hashlimit-name DNS --hashlimit-above 20/second --hashlimit-mode srcip --hashlimit-burst 100 --hashlimit-srcmask 28 -j DROP |
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| 10:52.38 | e-anima | is there any debian software for creating an anonymous socks5 proxy server? |
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| 10:55.40 | ZIPY | e-anima: privoxy |
| 10:55.56 | e-anima | thank you |
| 10:56.13 | ZIPY | works with tor too |
| 10:56.36 | ZIPY | u might want squid too |
| 10:56.51 | ZIPY | for more configuration accesslist etc |
| 10:56.55 | e-anima | ok cool |
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| 10:57.34 | brontosaurusrex | anything additional to install when switching from wheezy to sid? (wasnt there some apt-bugs or something?) |
| 10:58.31 | Rix | i don't know why but i get load average spikes - 10-15 load average in the 1 minute interval for like 2 minutes. there is no change in CPU load at all, no change in IOps, no change in traffic - nothing in the logs.. what could possible be? |
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| 10:59.42 | ZIPY | Rix: how did u check the cpu load |
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| 10:59.59 | vladuke | Rix: la -- number of process in state R o D |
| 11:00.05 | vladuke | *or |
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| 11:00.39 | ZIPY | i bet its kloader |
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| 11:03.44 | Willdude123 | My ssh session quit during a dist upgradw |
| 11:03.55 | Rix | ZIPY with htop - 15 load average (1 minute interval) for like 2 mins and the cpu % is the same as before |
| 11:04.12 | ZIPY | rix try top |
| 11:04.22 | Willdude123 | Now it won't upgrade it when I try again. |
| 11:04.25 | brontosaurusrex | what's a good "upgrade to sid" forum topic or any other guide? |
| 11:04.32 | ZIPY | rix htop doesnt show kloader for example |
| 11:04.39 | Rix | vladuke processes are sleeping, only 1-2 are R |
| 11:04.44 | Rix | ZIPY okey |
| 11:05.21 | Willdude123 | How can I fix this? |
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| 11:05.54 | Rix | what should i look for - 'us' im guessing is user, 'sy' probably system... btw ZIPY i also have collectd and it also shows no cpu change in % during spikes |
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| 11:07.21 | Rix | ok i will watch 'id' (idle probably) if it changes during spikes |
| 11:07.42 | Rix | btw there are very little changes in IRQ during spikes (i see it in collectd graphics) |
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| 11:09.34 | Willdude123 | Please help |
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| 11:10.10 | ZIPY | Willdude123: use tmux |
| 11:10.38 | ZIPY | but i dont know why it disconnects |
| 11:10.53 | Willdude123 | My wifi quit |
| 11:10.57 | ZIPY | tmux will keep the session alive even when u disconnect |
| 11:11.01 | Willdude123 | Well, i got out of range |
| 11:11.08 | Willdude123 | I should have used screen |
| 11:11.20 | ZIPY | yes tmux is the "new" screen |
| 11:11.25 | Willdude123 | Erm so how do I make it work thouhgh? |
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| 11:13.53 | ZIPY | Willdude123: is the clients network gone or the servers |
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| 11:15.27 | Willdude123 | Client's |
| 11:15.30 | Willdude123 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 11:15.33 | Willdude123 | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 11:15.40 | vladuke | Rix: in htop press f2 -> display options -> enable "detailed cpu" and disable "hide kernel threads" |
| 11:15.48 | vladuke | or install atop |
| 11:15.59 | vladuke | it also show disk usage |
| 11:16.22 | vladuke | in htop than sort by "S" column |
| 11:16.51 | Willdude123 | So how can I get /var/lib/dpkg/lock?? |
| 11:17.35 | vladuke | Willdude123: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 11:17.55 | lind | Anyone have any advice on having problems with new motherboards with eufi bioses. Writing to the MBR during install. It fails for me on my newest computer. |
| 11:19.17 | Rix | thanks vladuke |
| 11:19.22 | Willdude123 | vladuke: http://pastie.org/8189715 |
| 11:19.41 | lind | I tried switching in bios from eufi to legacy bios |
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| 11:22.31 | lind | uefi I mean |
| 11:22.54 | vladuke | Willdude123: sudo kill 20919 && sudo dpkg --configure -a |
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| 11:28.58 | Willdude123 | vladuke ok |
| 11:29.17 | Willdude123 | Now when I do apt-get upgrade I get this http://pastie.org/8189736 |
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| 11:30.46 | vladuke | Willdude123: sudo apt-get -f install |
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| 11:31.42 | vladuke | Willdude123: and sudo lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 11:32.05 | Willdude123 | Same error for the first one |
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| 11:34.04 | Willdude123 | This for the latter http://pastie.org/8189745 |
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| 11:34.45 | vladuke | kill it too and run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 11:36.45 | korn36 | thunar can't mount harddrives |
| 11:36.58 | korn36 | it says not authorized to perform operation |
| 11:37.04 | korn36 | and it should ask for root password |
| 11:37.47 | Willdude123 | ÃKilled |
| 11:38.00 | Willdude123 | Ran the dpkg command |
| 11:38.06 | Willdude123 | Just get this http://pastie.org/8189754 |
| 11:38.17 | Willdude123 | Linux really does my head in sometimes |
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| 11:40.20 | Iridos | log in as root in a different window or somesuch... your root environment got messed up |
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| 11:41.14 | vladuke | Willdude123: export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin" |
| 11:41.34 | vladuke | and again dpkg --configure -a |
| 11:41.36 | Willdude123 | K |
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| 11:49.56 | Willdude123 | Ok thanks I'm updated now |
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| 12:03.56 | movedx | I am unable to get the source for asmutils compiling on Debian. Anyone using asmutils at all? |
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| 12:16.03 | Iridos | movedx, well, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443370 |
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| 12:17.25 | movedx | Iridos: Aye. So basically, "Give people choice? Nah." |
| 12:18.32 | Iridos | more like "another libc, yay, hours/days/month/years of fun integrating that into an existing distro" |
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| 12:19.22 | Iridos | and obviously the guy with the ITP [should have] compiled it |
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| 12:22.48 | movedx | Is it another libc? I'm pretty certain it's an abtract layer between libc and raw asm instructions. It's not rewriting open(), write(), etc, it's simply adding sugar and making it easier to access system calls/libc functions whilst making code more reable. |
| 12:23.40 | movedx | So instead of moving each attribute of the system call into the various registers in their raw form, you can yse read, write, etc. Same applies to O_RDONLY instead of '0', which says very little. |
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| 12:27.08 | Iridos | yay, released 2006 |
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| 12:33.04 | Iridos | and it's i386 only |
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| 12:40.49 | korn36 | consolekit/policykit is killing me |
| 12:40.53 | korn36 | i can't mount hdd's again |
| 12:40.58 | korn36 | and it worked few minutes before |
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| 12:41.08 | korn36 | any ideas why is it happening? |
| 12:42.08 | koollman | korn36: what makes you think they are related ? what's the error message ? are there any related lines in /var/log/messages or similar logs ? |
| 12:42.20 | korn36 | not authorized to perform operation |
| 12:42.42 | korn36 | what makes me think that they're related: they manage permissions in most DE's |
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| 12:44.44 | korn36 | in /var/log/messages there are some segfaults which i already fixed before |
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| 12:46.29 | korn36 | so anyone has fix to that? |
| 12:46.58 | korn36 | my DE is xfce |
| 12:47.07 | korn36 | i tried thunar and nautilus file managers |
| 12:47.08 | korn36 | none work |
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| 12:47.54 | korn36 | wait... |
| 12:48.02 | korn36 | debian just removed me from all of groups i have been in |
| 12:48.24 | aguitel | how to check virus in windows partition ? |
| 12:48.49 | korn36 | aguitel: use something like clamav to scan the partition |
| 12:49.23 | korn36 | i'll relogin and check if my issue persists |
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| 12:50.24 | korn36 | issue gone for now |
| 12:51.04 | aguitel | korn36, clamav support all kind of virus? |
| 12:51.25 | korn36 | clamav not very good but you can try it |
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| 12:51.34 | korn36 | also install clamtk - a gui for clamav |
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| 12:52.38 | aguitel | korn36, ok |
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| 13:01.26 | Tumulte | hello |
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| 13:03.33 | Tumulte | I got some troubles with the french dictionaries in debian. For some reason it only partly works. Words with "l'" before will be marked as wrong |
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| 13:05.10 | Iridos | "dictionaries in debian" ... that's kinda fuzzy. after you figure out which exactly those are, you can probably find a bug report on the problem on bugs.debian.org (or write your own if you cannot) |
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| 13:09.36 | Tumulte | Iridos: that's a nice idea |
| 13:09.52 | Tumulte | dictionnaries can mean a lot of things espetialy for programmers |
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| 13:13.15 | Tumulte | thanks Iridos |
| 13:13.55 | Iridos | well, it's clear what you mean with "dictionary", but depending on what program those are used in, it's not clear what the underlying thing is |
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| 13:14.27 | Iridos | for emacs it's probably aspell or ispell, libreoffice has its own thing, I think... and so on |
| 13:14.32 | Tumulte | it's the same in libreoffice and mozilla |
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| 13:14.38 | Tumulte | myspell probably |
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| 13:16.40 | madnutter | Hi does anyone know how I can mount a FreeBSD gm0 under debian rescue disk? |
| 13:16.42 | Iridos | yeah, unfortunately many/most programs aren't too open about telling what does the spelling stuff for them |
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| 13:17.54 | madnutter | or maybe mount ufs cause when I use -t ufs it says bad superblocks |
| 13:17.58 | Tumulte | Iridos: I'll check, thanks anyway, that's cool |
| 13:18.22 | Iridos | Tumulte, if "mozilla" means iceweasel... that seems to use its own code as well... there's a section "Dictionaries" in tools->add-ons (or about:plugins or ctrl-shift-a) |
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| 13:19.22 | davedoom2 | hi guys! yesterday I tried to install debian on my phone. After working through several isues with perms and mount point I now seem to be able to start debootstrap. I strt it like this: ./usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch=armhf --variant=minbase wheezy /mnt/sdcard/debian http://http.debian.net/debian |
| 13:19.28 | davedoom2 | the results are here: |
| 13:19.30 | davedoom2 | https://www.refheap.com/17030 |
| 13:19.51 | davedoom2 | it looks like a bunch of things are going wrong. |
| 13:19.55 | davedoom2 | What should I do? |
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| 13:21.38 | Tumulte | davedoom2: which phone ? |
| 13:21.46 | davedoom2 | droid 2 |
| 13:21.57 | Tumulte | that's cool ! |
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| 13:22.26 | olskolirc | I take it we are not to have acroread? I find it impossible to get a keyring, a repository or the package. Any suggestions? |
| 13:22.37 | Tumulte | I want to try installing debian on an e-reader, I'd love an e-ink screen to rest my eyes for some work |
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| 13:23.58 | Iridos | davedoom2, hm... seems the OS is less of a type of linux than debootstrap needs/expects... and you hence cannot use debootstrap. take a look at /mnt/sdcard/debian/test-exec and see what it is and why it cannot be executed in your current environment |
| 13:24.06 | davedoom2 | it looks like busybox doesn't know about rm -f. I think it is only doing that to clean the dir before install. I can just delete the line, but it also wants to run a non-executable file. |
| 13:24.36 | Iridos | yeah... the rm doesn't know the -f switch... but that's probably not a real problem |
| 13:25.04 | davedoom2 | -----w--w- root root 13 2013-07-30 14:26 test-exec |
| 13:25.26 | davedoom2 | that is a one line shell script. it would never work like that. |
| 13:26.01 | Iridos | it's only a test to see if it can be run... and the weird permissions prevent it. where do they come from |
| 13:27.14 | davedoom2 | got me. |
| 13:27.20 | davedoom2 | it come like that. |
| 13:27.50 | Rix | does gpu load count in load average, if i have for example 0% cpu, 0% io, 0% network usage and high load average? i've checked every possible thing and very careful - my load jumps to 10 i think it might be the cron i have for rendering an image graphic statistics |
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| 13:28.56 | jordanm | Rix: load average is the number of runnable processes in the queue |
| 13:29.00 | Iridos | davedoom2, maybe a weird umask you have? |
| 13:29.23 | davedoom2 | # umask |
| 13:29.25 | davedoom2 | umask |
| 13:29.27 | davedoom2 | 0000 |
| 13:29.43 | Iridos | well, not that |
| 13:30.19 | Rix | jordanm yes but i don't have usage and there are spikes (normal load is 0.20 but then it jumps to 10-15 load for 2 minutes every 10 minutes or so) |
| 13:30.53 | Rix | and i've checked everything - cpu % in top, io %, network usage.. all are the same as before during the spike |
| 13:30.55 | jordanm | Rix: so something is spawning a lot of processes that are not resource intensive |
| 13:31.11 | Rix | jordanm so i don't have to worry about it? |
| 13:31.17 | el-linedash | install atop and check for more verbose information |
| 13:31.34 | el-linedash | (apt-get install atop) |
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| 13:31.48 | Rix | is 'ps -A | wc -l' the best way to check all processes count? |
| 13:32.35 | el-linedash | it'll work |
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| 13:32.42 | jordanm | Rix: sure, or you can view it real-time via top |
| 13:32.48 | el-linedash | atop > top |
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| 13:37.29 | etherape | does someone know if it's possible to check which "runnable processes" exist in the queue? |
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| 13:38.40 | etherape | and for which resources they are waiting |
| 13:38.45 | Iridos | davedoom2, that seems strange... if I debootstrap an i386 system into my temp, I seem to never get to have a test-exec. maybe it's deleted quickly, though |
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| 13:39.08 | Iridos | and an armhf system cannot be debootstrapped, apparently because /proc cannot be mounted |
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| 13:39.13 | jordanm | etherape: process state of "R" in ps or top output |
| 13:39.44 | jordanm | etherape: process in a "D" state are waiting on resources (actually, they are waiting for a system call to return) |
| 13:39.46 | davedoom2 | well... I think I will put this project asside for a while. None of the web pages I checked talked about any of the problems I'm having. |
| 13:40.29 | davedoom2 | I'm not the first person to do this. |
| 13:40.39 | davedoom2 | proc is mounted now. |
| 13:40.59 | etherape | jordanm, ok so from that point strace is probably the right tool to figure out where procs are waiting for |
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| 13:41.36 | jordanm | etherape: if they are in a "D" state, yes |
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| 13:42.41 | katla | do you have a guide on switching my debian system frm alsa to pulse |
| 13:42.43 | katla | ? |
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| 13:49.26 | v4nelle | guys sysv-rc-conf is still working well on debian |
| 13:49.41 | v4nelle | or is better to use update-rc.d? |
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| 13:51.23 | Rix | jordanm so is it possible that the load average gets 10+ if there are many processes in D for a second |
| 13:51.25 | themill | v4nelle: that's like asking "should I use firefox or wget?". It's a pretty meaningless question... use the tool that suits you for the job. |
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| 13:53.05 | Iridos | davedoom2, maybe try --variant=X with the various X available to you |
| 13:53.07 | jordanm | Rix: yes, D state processes are calculated in load average |
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| 13:53.48 | Rix | so if they don't take resources (cpu/io/network) there is nothing to worry about if the load average jumps to 15 for like 2 minutes then goes back to 0.40 |
| 13:54.02 | jordanm | Rix: although to hit an average of 10 in 1 second would be 600 processes |
| 13:54.25 | Rix | hm okey thanks |
| 13:55.25 | davedoom2 | thanks guys. |
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| 14:00.02 | v4nelle | themill, sometimes wget is better! :p |
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| 14:06.23 | milo64 | can i set gvim as my default text editor *WHEN* i have it? |
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| 14:07.26 | dorunak | Is there skype for jessie? On the debian skype installation page, there is only skype for wheezy. |
| 14:07.52 | themill | dorunak: the same download should work |
| 14:08.22 | dorunak | ok, i just want a confirmation before i download. thks. |
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| 14:15.18 | Willdude123 | Also why the hell can't I dpkg reconfigure? |
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| 14:16.14 | Willdude123 | Command not found |
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| 14:16.22 | nkuttler | !tell Willdude123 about errors |
| 14:16.45 | jordanm | Willdude123: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:17.06 | nkuttler | jordanm: dpkg exists though.. |
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| 14:17.56 | Willdude123 | jordanm: That's what I mrant |
| 14:17.59 | Willdude123 | meant |
| 14:18.17 | nkuttler | Willdude123: it's in sbin |
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| 14:18.42 | jordanm | Willdude123: if you don't type it correctly in IRC, we will assume you didn't type it correctly in your terminal either |
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| 14:19.04 | nkuttler | Willdude123: and yes, read the message the bot sent you and paste the info we need.. |
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| 14:20.12 | Willdude123 | Ok |
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| 14:23.41 | Willdude123 | http://pastie.org/8190217 |
| 14:23.48 | Willdude123 | That's my exact error |
| 14:24.12 | ChrisH | Willdude123: looks like you are trying to run this as user. |
| 14:24.12 | themill | try it as root |
| 14:24.14 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 14:24.24 | pythonsnake | when running apt-get update i got W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
| 14:24.26 | pythonsnake | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195 |
| 14:24.30 | pythonsnake | How can I fix that? |
| 14:24.46 | themill | pythonsnake: by putting your box in a time machine |
| 14:24.57 | pythonsnake | :( |
| 14:25.14 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell pythonsnake about lenny |
| 14:25.15 | nkuttler | pythonsnake: iirc there's some option to ignore invalid keys |
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| 14:26.10 | Willdude123 | http://pastie.org/8190217 |
| 14:26.38 | nkuttler | Willdude123: run that command as root.. |
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| 14:29.09 | Mackwerk | is blockdev --setra persistant over reboots? :o |
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| 14:29.22 | pythonsnake | thanks |
| 14:29.39 | nobody_ | hey room |
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| 14:30.20 | nobody_ | what's the topic for today? |
| 14:31.50 | mumpitzel | !room |
| 14:31.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 14:32.43 | nobody_ | hey mumpitzel and dpkg |
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| 14:35.28 | Willdude123 | Right I have the utf8 locale set up but mosh is still complaining. |
| 14:35.51 | nkuttler | !tell Willdude123 about errors |
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| 14:36.38 | mumpitzel | Willdude123: pastebin the output of "env" |
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| 14:37.07 | themill | and "locale" |
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| 14:42.39 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface you there? |
| 14:42.58 | Willdude123 | mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/5Wu7zPek |
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| 14:43.17 | verysoftoiletppr | does anyone know anything about compiling kernel? |
| 14:43.30 | DNS | a bit yes |
| 14:43.58 | Dalvini | → #gentoo |
| 14:44.09 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: ask your real question |
| 14:44.11 | mumpitzel | Willdude123: your locale is not set |
| 14:44.13 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: I haven't had the need to compile a kernel in more than six years. Why do you think that you have to compile one? |
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| 14:44.28 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen I need xfs module |
| 14:44.32 | vsync_ | he needs to add support for triple layered toilet paper |
| 14:44.44 | verysoftoiletppr | which is not enabled in the kernel I have |
| 14:44.45 | nkuttler | i had to build a kernel last year because the new superior driver for my nic was broken :\ |
| 14:44.58 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr:which kernel do you have? run uname -a |
| 14:45.01 | DNS | verysoftoiletppr: you need to modify the kernel config forthat |
| 14:45.12 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: Which kernel do you have and what does "grep -i XFS /boot/config-$(uname -r)" give you? |
| 14:45.19 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: all debian kernels for years have xfs support |
| 14:45.19 | verysoftoiletppr | Linux cubie 3.4.43 #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 01:36:52 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 14:45.47 | vsync_ | arm, oh no, are you some raspberrypoo user |
| 14:45.49 | DNS | oh |
| 14:45.52 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: grep xfs /boot/config* |
| 14:45.54 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen my boot is empty |
| 14:46.22 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: are you running raspbian? |
| 14:46.35 | verysoftoiletppr | I've got this kernel https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/sunxi-3.4 |
| 14:46.38 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: Would you mind showing me the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list on http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "COLUMS=200 dpkg -l "linux-*"" ? |
| 14:46.53 | themill | (you wouldn't run raspbian on armv7 hardware) |
| 14:46.57 | zuppa | any wheezy users running into a "hanging IDE" issue when creating a new project in Netbeans? => http://screencast.com/t/yIRXNRZvM (already asked in #netbeans, seems like they're not awake yet) |
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| 14:47.37 | verysoftoiletppr | apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/20197/ |
| 14:47.45 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: We do not support random third party kernels (which should be obvious) -- Not that I am familiar with your device, but why exactly are you not using a Debian kernel? |
| 14:48.21 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: I'm glad to see you completely ignored our advice about mixing in PPAs too. |
| 14:48.24 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: Please don't use ftp.debian.org but a regional mirror such as ftp.es.debian.org or (even better) a metamirror like http.debian.net |
| 14:48.39 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: Apart from that ... PPA .. themill said it already |
| 14:48.58 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen: sources.list + dpks -l linux http://paste.debian.net/20198/ |
| 14:49.07 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: I would furthermore strongly recommend to *not* use "stable" but actual release names in your sources.list |
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| 14:50.36 | verysoftoiletppr | themill the PPA was just for trying out Deluge |
| 14:50.38 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: So, again: Why are you not using the Debian kernel? You do realise that we cannot support that kernel, don't you? |
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| 14:51.18 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: yes, I'm capable of recalling the conversation from this morning where I and several others recommended strongly against using PPAs. |
| 14:51.45 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: So this leaves me wondering why you're bothering to come in here at all now. You don't actually follow any advice given... |
| 14:51.58 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen this kernel was adapted to Allwinner A10 devices |
| 14:52.00 | verysoftoiletppr | http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_tree_diff |
| 14:52.06 | verysoftoiletppr | these are the diferences |
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| 14:52.38 | vsync_ | get a vanilla kernel do some googling and compile |
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| 14:52.42 | vsync_ | just easy as abc |
| 14:52.46 | verysoftoiletppr | themill that was not all the advice given |
| 14:52.48 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: no-one here is going to wade through that list of differences for you. |
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| 14:52.56 | verysoftoiletppr | so I did follow some |
| 14:53.01 | vsync_ | if something's not there add it possibly as module and build |
| 14:53.17 | vsync_ | rinse and repeat |
| 14:53.18 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: get their kernel source (they have to release it due to GPL) and compile a kernel yourself |
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| 14:53.47 | verysoftoiletppr | themill maybe I didn't understand the problem of installing Deluge from those PPA's like suggested in the instructions |
| 14:53.57 | themill | ... |
| 14:53.58 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: As you need help with something that is not related to Debian I'd recommend to ask in ##linux for help. You *might* want to take a look at http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ but then you might be better off by simply readin kernel.org documentation. |
| 14:53.59 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel that is what I want to do |
| 14:54.23 | mumpitzel | then do it. what prevents you from starting? |
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| 14:54.40 | mumpitzel | if you have any problem when doing it, then come with the actual problem and we can probably help |
| 14:54.47 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel nothing, was just talking with everyone |
| 14:54.58 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel tks |
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| 14:56.27 | vsync_ | btw, not to flame, but are debian repos still lagging behind like f**k? even testing? |
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| 14:56.45 | themill | no? |
| 14:56.51 | vsync_ | i only run debian on my servers so i'm not too keen on doing anything but essential ups |
| 14:58.47 | mumpitzel | vsync_: when testing is frozen, it starts to "lag" as you term it. otherwise it's up to date enough. big stuff always needs some time to mature before it makes it in (kde or gnome for example) |
| 14:59.20 | vsync_ | isn't the whole idea of testing bleeding edge |
| 14:59.36 | themill | no, testing is a preparation area for the next release |
| 14:59.52 | vsync_ | lame. gentoo repos had more balls |
| 14:59.55 | vsync_ | since someone mentioned it |
| 15:00.17 | mumpitzel | I don't look for "ball" with my distro, I look for working software. |
| 15:00.21 | mumpitzel | *balls |
| 15:00.41 | themill | vsync_: and how do you suppose you make a stable release then? Oh wait... you don't. |
| 15:01.44 | vsync_ | have to use unstable then |
| 15:01.54 | vsync_ | fixed, ty for your insight |
| 15:02.03 | themill | perhaps you should learn the differences first |
| 15:02.32 | vsync_ | i'm sorry if i got you that mad |
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| 15:03.11 | vsync_ | i wouldn't use debian on desktop anyway, for servers it's really stable however |
| 15:03.19 | vsync_ | so i don't care that much |
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| 15:11.41 | elvora | Anyone know where or if amhello-1.0.tar.gz is still located in the wheezy filesystem? The automake tutorials say it's in the automake doc directory. I can't seem to find it though. |
| 15:12.25 | jhutchins | elvora: Locate? Find? |
| 15:12.51 | jhutchins | elvora: Hard to guess why it would be anywhere but wherever YOU put it. |
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| 15:13.45 | elvora | Neither yield a result for the file. So I suspect it's not being distributed. |
| 15:16.23 | somiaj | elvora: seems weird that a package would give you a tar.gz file, I didn't get a hit for that tar from searching the files on packages.debian.org |
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| 15:17.05 | somiaj | can't find any file names that contain the word 'amhello' either |
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| 15:18.02 | verysoftoiletppr | Crosscompilers for Debian are maintained by http://www.emdebian.org/crosstools.html . Currently usable armhf compilers are available only in sid. If you are building only the u-boot and kernel the gnueabi compilers from testing should suffice. |
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| 15:22.48 | elvora | https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Creating-amhello.html |
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| 15:23.16 | elvora | section 2.4.1 |
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| 15:24.07 | elvora | Indicates that said file comes in the automake dir. I'll just copy paste though. Not really a problem. |
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| 15:25.47 | elvora | s/file/package |
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| 15:28.01 | Qantourisc | How can I install debian from a linux-rescue-cd ? |
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| 15:29.54 | jordanm | !tell Qantourisc about debootstrap |
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| 15:30.27 | Qantourisc | jordanm: thank you |
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| 15:32.25 | Qantourisc | jordanm: not to complain, but that looks like installing debian from debian ... |
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| 15:32.59 | jordanm | Qantourisc: debootstrap is a shell script, you can use it from other distros |
| 15:33.12 | Qantourisc | a ok nice ! |
| 15:33.19 | Qantourisc | clicked it any i got a deb thingy :) |
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| 15:40.01 | RJ45 | Hi folks, I'm working with a very limited Internet connection (charges per MB), I was wondering, on-average how many MB of .DEBs 'pbuilder' has-to download in-order to create its base.tar.gz? ..assuming it's set to '--distribution=wheezy' |
| 15:40.51 | RJ45 | '--distribution wheezy'* |
| 15:42.18 | jordanm | RJ45: I would guess around 300MBs |
| 15:43.09 | RJ45 | damn, I can't spare that 'till next year! X_X |
| 15:43.19 | RJ45 | :( |
| 15:44.13 | darxun | RJ45: Out of curiosity... Who is your ISP? |
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| 15:44.43 | jordanm | RJ45: if you have the debian CD or DVD, you can probably use that for your source |
| 15:44.57 | jordanm | CD1 |
| 15:45.33 | jordanm | usually you want to target sid with pbuilder though |
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| 15:50.55 | c-101 | Hello there |
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| 15:54.18 | RJ45 | darxun: ThreeMBB, I rely on it for all my Internet needs, I'm on a contract, for the same cost per month I could get a 'proper' Internet connection, but that's gonna have-to wait about a year :-/ |
| 15:54.37 | RJ45 | jordanm: how do I go about doing that? |
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| 15:55.26 | RJ45 | jordanm: if I COULD use a debian CD/DVD as my base, and it'd works the same, that'd be BRILLIANT! |
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| 16:00.45 | darxun | RJ45: Thank you |
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| 16:05.35 | phix | RJ45: You has CAT-5 or 6? |
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| 16:05.58 | phix | or maybe 7? |
| 16:06.11 | phix | r 5e? |
| 16:06.13 | phix | r = or |
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| 16:08.12 | RJ45 | phix: CAT-3, I suck :-/ |
| 16:08.42 | phix | oh noes! |
| 16:08.52 | RJ45 | yup :( |
| 16:08.53 | phix | 1Mbit or 10Mbit that rated for? |
| 16:09.10 | RJ45 | I think a few Kilobit :-/ |
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| 16:10.03 | RJ45 | mostly used in cheap 'Voice' telecommunications |
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| 16:10.30 | RJ45 | jordanm: are you still alive!? |
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| 16:13.09 | jenia_ | hello everyone. |
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| 16:13.32 | jenia_ | when im logged in as su i dont have auto complete |
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| 16:13.47 | jenia_ | so if i type apt-get in... and then press tab |
| 16:13.57 | jenia_ | it doesnt autocomplete to apt-get install |
| 16:14.04 | jenia_ | how can i fix that? |
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| 16:17.02 | musca | jenia_: root doesn't source /etc/bash_completion for security reasons, i guess. |
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| 16:17.23 | jenia_ | ohh okay |
| 16:17.24 | jenia_ | thanks |
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| 16:18.01 | tyteen4a03 | hi, can't seem to get my new intel gigabit PCIe card working on my server. I can ping internal IPs but pinging google.com will return Unknown host. Not sure how to fix. |
| 16:18.25 | RJ45 | sorry, connection dun-fucked, did anyone say anything to me? |
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| 16:18.47 | tyteen4a03 | RJ45, from my logs, no |
| 16:19.29 | RJ45 | tyteen4a03: 'k thx :) |
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| 16:20.04 | RJ45 | jordanm: SPEAK TO MEEEH!!! 0_0 |
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| 16:21.06 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm trying to install gcc-4.5-arm-linux-gnueabihf from .emdebian.org but am having problems with sources.list http://paste.debian.net/20244/ |
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| 16:22.30 | musca | tyteen4a03: you are missing name resolution. how did you configure your interface? |
| 16:23.00 | tyteen4a03 | musca, I didn't really "configure" it aside from giving it an ip address |
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| 16:24.41 | musca | tyteen4a03: well, you need to configure a gateway and a nameserver to ping google |
| 16:25.22 | tyteen4a03 | musca, I see /etc/resolv.conf with nameserver 8.8.8.8 and nameserver 8.8.4.4, I'll check gateway |
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| 16:28.11 | tyteen4a03 | musca, that did the trick, thanks |
| 16:28.42 | tyteen4a03 | musca, another question: is it normal for commands that require root return "Unknown command" when trying to run in non-root |
| 16:28.52 | musca | verysoftoiletppr: it's only temporary error, besides mixing stable with unstable which is not supported. |
| 16:29.25 | verysoftoiletppr | musca temporary, you mean the server is down? |
| 16:29.44 | verysoftoiletppr | musca what do you mean with, not supported? |
| 16:29.54 | musca | tyteen4a03: it's normal as users don't have /sbin in their path |
| 16:30.08 | tyteen4a03 | alright |
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| 16:30.55 | musca | tyteen4a03: e.g. /sbin/ifconfig will give info for a user. |
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| 16:40.59 | musca | verysoftoiletppr: Servers get updated every now and then. It's a bad idea to mix stable with unstable. |
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| 16:42.39 | verysoftoiletppr | musca why is it a bad idea? |
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| 16:44.02 | verysoftoiletppr | musca you mean the sid? |
| 16:44.03 | musca | It's much more reliable to use selected packages from the backports repo. |
| 16:44.16 | musca | verysoftoiletppr: yes, the sid. |
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| 16:45.17 | verysoftoiletppr | musca do you have an idea why sid would be necessary? http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_on_Debian#Compiler |
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| 16:47.42 | verysoftoiletppr | badiane you there? |
| 16:48.41 | musca | well, at least it's a detailed howto: "Currently usable armhf compilers are available only in sid." |
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| 16:49.43 | no_gravity | Hello! On your production servers, do you do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
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| 16:52.11 | musca | no_gravity: security-updates can introduce new packages at any time. you get new packages only with dist-upgrade |
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| 16:52.22 | musca | !dist-upgrade |
| 16:52.22 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
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| 16:53.26 | no_gravity | musca: so you vote for dist-upgrade |
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| 16:54.03 | verysoftoiletppr | musca so according to you this error is temporary? W: Failed to fetch http://www.emdebian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 16:54.14 | verysoftoiletppr | how long until it works? |
| 16:54.40 | no_gravity | musca: on one of my home machines, i get this - any idea what it means? The following packages have been kept back: google-chrome-stable |
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| 16:56.05 | sioux_ | hi i'm trying install debian 7 64 bits, but show one warning about proprietary driver. I insert USB driver with driver with bz2 and in root, but don't detected the driver. This filesystem of usb driver is fat32. |
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| 16:56.39 | musca | verysoftoiletppr: this usually happens when your update interferes with the servers update. Try again some minutes later or switch to another mirror. |
| 16:57.30 | musca | ,v google-chrome-stable |
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| 16:57.31 | judd | No package named 'google-chrome-stable' was found in i386. |
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| 16:58.52 | musca | no_gravity: which command is it? which sources do you use? use http://paste.debian.net for answers. |
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| 16:59.39 | no_gravity | musca: which command? "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 17:00.04 | no_gravity | musca: i think i downloaded chrome from a google website and installed it with dpkg -i or so. |
| 17:00.41 | no_gravity | musca: oh, this is an ubuntu machine i see. but i dont think ubuntu has google-chrome in the repos either. |
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| 17:01.50 | no_gravity | musca: there is a discussion on lists.debian.org, but i dont understand the conclusion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/06/msg01034.html |
| 17:01.50 | musca | no_gravity: does this unable a google repo or do you have to update it manually? We left the topic of this channel. Good luck. |
| 17:02.02 | musca | enable ^ |
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| 17:02.19 | no_gravity | musca: there is no google repo in /etc/apt/sources.list. only the standard repos. |
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| 17:03.43 | musca | no_gravity: there is chromium in debian which is a cute browser without the google pain. |
| 17:03.45 | elvora | sioux_: what driver must you install post instillation? |
| 17:04.42 | no_gravity | musca: yes, but that is a different topic. i have this problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/06/msg01034.html |
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| 17:08.58 | musca | no_gravity: following the thread for two hops http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/06/msg01059.html |
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| 17:09.33 | no_gravity | musca: i saw that, but i dont understand it. |
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| 17:10.45 | Th0masR0ss | !tell no_gravity about meaning of stable |
| 17:10.57 | musca | no_gravity: well, squeeze is now oldstable and wheezy is released since two months. |
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| 17:11.12 | sioux_ | elvora: ethernet driver |
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| 17:11.42 | sonofzeus | Hi there |
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| 17:11.52 | sonofzeus | whats the alternative for sudo in debian? |
| 17:12.01 | Th0masR0ss | su |
| 17:12.10 | sonofzeus | okay |
| 17:12.26 | Th0masR0ss | !tell sonofzeus about sudo |
| 17:12.28 | sonofzeus | why can't I get the default network manager to create a VPN connection? |
| 17:12.32 | sonofzeus | Is that a known issue? |
| 17:12.38 | musca | sioux_: what's your network hardware? use "lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet" to find it. |
| 17:12.51 | no_gravity | musca: whatever that means... |
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| 17:13.34 | no_gravity | musca: maybe "apt-get purge google-chrome-stable" is the best way to go about it. |
| 17:13.58 | sonofzeus | Can I use su the same way as sudo? |
| 17:14.07 | sonofzeus | Su command password when prompted |
| 17:14.46 | Th0masR0ss | sonofzeus: man su |
| 17:14.52 | Th0masR0ss | or install sudo |
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| 17:15.51 | no_gravity | musca: trying "apt-get --purge autoremove google-chrome-stable" ... |
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| 17:16.37 | musca | the "shoot and forget" method :) |
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| 17:17.19 | no_gravity | musca: from what i read, that is what i would expect "apt-get remove" to do. |
| 17:17.32 | no_gravity | musca: in natural language "get rid of it" :) |
| 17:17.36 | sonofzeus | how shall I install sudo? |
| 17:18.16 | Th0masR0ss | sonofzeus: su && aptitude install sudo |
| 17:18.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell sonofzeus -about sudoers |
| 17:19.01 | Th0masR0ss | Also read that^ |
| 17:19.13 | babilen | sonofzeus: I'd recommend to simply add yourself to the "sudo" group and login again after you've installed sudo. |
| 17:19.39 | sonofzeus | Can I use su as a substitue for sudo , if so how? |
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| 17:21.21 | verysoftoiletppr | musca the mirrors give the same error |
| 17:21.42 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen do you know why I'm getting "W: Failed to fetch http://emdebian.bytesatwork.ch/mirror/toolchains/dists/sid/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed fil" |
| 17:22.33 | Th0masR0ss | sonofzeus: see man su |
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| 17:22.49 | musca | verysoftoiletppr: there is a chanell on oftc for emdebian |
| 17:23.12 | musca | erm, channel |
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| 17:24.37 | no_gravity | exit |
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| 17:25.10 | Th0masR0ss | sonofzeus: however you'd need to use the user you're switching to's password |
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| 17:28.26 | sonofzeus | Hey there |
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| 17:28.41 | sonofzeus | How shall I grant root access to an application ? |
| 17:28.49 | sonofzeus | like gksudo |
| 17:30.05 | Th0masR0ss | sonofzeus: install gksudo or sudo or use su |
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| 17:34.32 | Th0masR0ss | . |
| 17:34.49 | Th0masR0ss | whoops |
| 17:37.48 | verysoftoiletppr | musca now one in emdebian responds.. |
| 17:38.21 | Th0masR0ss | verysoftoiletppr: then wait |
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| 17:52.05 | kristian-aalborg | Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) << anyone running with this beauty on wheezy? |
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| 17:52.39 | jaggz | (with a normal user) |
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| 17:56.23 | GivenToCode | This bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/1073372 leads me to believe there are in fact newer versions than what I have |
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| 17:56.49 | JyZyXEL | how do you make laptop volume/brightness/wireless buttons work on debian? |
| 17:57.40 | gusnan | GivenToCode, what is your distro, and what version of libcairo2 are you having the problem in? |
| 17:58.24 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: its always "just worked" for me in gnome |
| 17:58.41 | GivenToCode | gusnan, I am on debian (not sure what exact version) and $ apt-cache show libcairo2 |grep -i version |
| 17:58.41 | GivenToCode | Version: 1.8.10-6 |
| 17:59.29 | GivenToCode | gusnan, that bug indicates there is at least a libcairo2 1.12 |
| 17:59.50 | gusnan | GivenToCode, That is the Squeeze version, and the latest one in Squeeze, so that is probably why it doesn't get upgraded. |
| 18:00.11 | GivenToCode | gusnan, how can i tell if I have squeeze? |
| 18:02.04 | gusnan | GivenToCode, you could run "cat /etc/issue" in a terminal - (I am not sure if that command was available on squeeze, but it could be worth a try)... |
| 18:02.27 | GivenToCode | $ cat /etc/issue |
| 18:02.27 | GivenToCode | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
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| 18:02.46 | gusnan | GivenToCode, Yep, thats Squeeze. |
| 18:03.19 | GivenToCode | so I am SOL? |
| 18:04.57 | gusnan | GivenToCode, What version do you need? There seems to be a backport of that package. (1.10.2-7) |
| 18:05.06 | musca | GivenToCode: oldstable is still supported for some months |
| 18:05.24 | GivenToCode | i think i want any version newer than what I have |
| 18:05.28 | GivenToCode | preferably the newest |
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| 18:08.21 | gusnan | GivenToCode, Well, if 1.10 is enough, then using the backport is probably the simplest way. But remember that Squeeze might not be supported for very much longer. |
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| 18:09.25 | gusnan | GivenToCode, upgrading to a newer Debian is a whole lot more work than adding a backport though. |
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| 18:09.59 | GivenToCode | gusnan, i dont think i could upgrade if i wanted. This is a company issued work station |
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| 18:11.18 | gusnan | GivenToCode, then I recommend this: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 18:11.43 | jhutchins | ,versions libcairo2 |
| 18:11.44 | judd | Package: libcairo2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.8.10-6; squeeze-backports: 1.10.2-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.12.2-3; jessie: 1.12.14-4; sid: 1.12.14-5 |
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| 18:12.48 | gusnan | thanks jhutchins |
| 18:13.19 | GivenToCode | gusnan, ok thanks i'll try to work with that |
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| 18:43.07 | sonofzeus | Hi |
| 18:43.21 | sonofzeus | How shall I set a PPTP connection in debian? |
| 18:43.27 | sonofzeus | Any packages to install? |
| 18:44.00 | zinx | sonofzeus: what kind of install? server, workstation? what desktop environment? |
| 18:44.32 | sonofzeus | desktop with gnome |
| 18:44.39 | zinx | sonofzeus: install network-manager-pptp-gnome |
| 18:44.56 | musca | !why not pptp |
| 18:44.56 | dpkg | PPTP is cryptographically broken and not recommended for use. http://pptpclient.sf.net/protocol-security.phtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPTP#Security |
| 18:45.17 | zinx | musca: general use case is that your provider requires it :/ |
| 18:45.32 | zinx | musca: i.e., not your choice. |
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| 19:03.32 | peterS | man, 'units' is pretty cool. "You have: 500 W / waterdensity / gravity / 1 m" "You want: gal/min" "* 808.14157" |
| 19:04.10 | peterS | ...tells me that in order to generate half a kW of hydro power, which is about what I use at home, if I could get away with damming my river at a 1 meter drop, I'd need the flow to be at least 808 gallons per minute |
| 19:04.48 | peterS | this concludes this week's "how to do physics on a Debian command line" episode |
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| 19:07.56 | Miesco_ | Is there a method in the java standard library that finds the highest element of an array? |
| 19:08.37 | peterS | that's not just the size of the array minus 1? |
| 19:09.28 | Miesco_ | peterS: I mean the biggest element |
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| 19:12.41 | phogg | Miesco_: maybe, but it's also trivial to write |
| 19:13.03 | peterS | yeah do java arrays have a reduce function? max is a simple application of reduce |
| 19:13.14 | peterS | s/function/method/ I guess |
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| 19:13.22 | phogg | really has no idea, doesn't use java |
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| 19:14.41 | peterS | I guess reduce makes the most sense if you have anonymous functions or closures, and I don't know offhand if java has those |
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| 19:16.11 | glennbrown | Is there any way to get d-i to support ibmvfc, i am trying to install Wheezy on a IBM P720 Power7 box using Virtual Fiber/NPIV, I get a disk detection error and ibmvfc is not listed in the drivers. |
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| 19:17.05 | Miesco_ | phogg: Its not trivial what if there's two that are the same and the biggest |
| 19:17.44 | peterS | Miesco_: then you decide whether you care which one you get. if all you're after is the largest value, then you don't care, and either >= or > will work |
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| 19:19.38 | peterS | in particular if you're after the array index, then maybe you care which one you get, but if you just want the largest _value_, then obviously it doesn't matter |
| 19:20.13 | Miesco_ | peterS: I do care which one, I need them all |
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| 19:22.21 | Guest81235 | hi |
| 19:22.23 | Miesco_ | peterS: Yea I am after the array index |
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| 19:22.52 | Guest81235 | does any kjnow how to pause live screen captures that are created with recordmydesktop ? |
| 19:23.07 | peterS | in perl speak, then, it would be: my @x = (0); do { @x = () if $array[$_] > $array[$x[0]]; push @x, $_ if $array[$_] == $array[$x[0]] } for 1..$#array; |
| 19:23.21 | peterS | where @array is your original array and @x is an array of indexes that match the maximum value |
| 19:23.23 | Guest81235 | in the man pages it says use SIGUSR1 but i cant figure out how to invoke that, anyone know ? |
| 19:23.32 | Guest81235 | using awesome windows manager |
| 19:23.44 | peterS | Guest81235: kill -USR1 {processid}. or killall -USR1 {processname} |
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| 19:24.28 | peterS | Miesco_: as you can probably tell, I don't speak java, and I suspect most people in #debian don't, so if you need something that you don't have to translate from perl to java, you might have to ask in another channel (: |
| 19:24.42 | badiane | yes I am |
| 19:25.03 | Guest81235 | peterS: thanks but wont that kill the process forever, i want to pause then resume |
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| 19:25.36 | peterS | Guest81235: 'kill' is a scary name. it doesn't really kill, it just sends a signal. many signals have the effect of killing, but in this case apparently USR1 is treated specially by the target process |
| 19:25.37 | phogg | Guest81235: the kill command is badly named. It just sends signals to PIDs |
| 19:25.56 | Guest81235 | peterS: right ok, so how would i resume it ? |
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| 19:26.05 | peterS | Guest81235: how does your documentation say you should resume it? |
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| 19:26.29 | peterS | I mean, I don't know, USR1 is not standard, it's what any process can decide to support if it needs some sort of out-of-band way for other people to signal it to do something |
| 19:26.33 | Guest81235 | peterS: SIGUSR1 causes the program to pause if it's currently recording, and vice-versa. |
| 19:26.47 | Guest81235 | presumeably in both ways ? |
| 19:26.50 | peterS | ok then you send USR1 to make it pause and USR1 again to make it resume |
| 19:27.15 | Guest81235 | peterS: nice one mate thanks for your help |
| 19:27.22 | peterS | the name USR1 means user-defined behavior. there's no specific thing it is "supposed" to do. |
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| 19:27.38 | peterS | really user-defined means writer-of-a-given-application defined |
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| 19:28.21 | axisys | how to install sphinx engine into mysql 5.5 from repo? |
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| 19:30.42 | ImaLamer | axisys: have you installed sphinxsearch |
| 19:30.46 | ImaLamer | ,v sphinxsearch |
| 19:30.47 | judd | Package: sphinxsearch on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-6; jessie: 2.0.4-1.1; sid: 2.0.4-1.1; wheezy: 2.0.4-1.1 |
| 19:30.54 | axisys | ImaLamer: not yet |
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| 19:31.16 | axisys | ImaLamer: that is all to make the engine available? |
| 19:31.21 | Miesco_ | k |
| 19:32.17 | ImaLamer | axisys: looks like it on wheezy, not sure |
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| 19:36.10 | axisys | ImaLamer: I am guessign there is more to it.. show engines does not show the engine.. unless I need to restart |
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| 19:38.31 | ImaLamer | at least a need to restart mysql likely |
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| 19:41.30 | grobda24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.10 | grobda24 | I updated from Wheezy to Jessie. Everything fine but MATE loads to the GUI with no windows borders (no GTK) and missing icons, and is sat there in a loop trying to reload its panel applets. Any advice ? Reinstall mate, or gtk ? At update error message said "cannot open pixbuf loader module file" and said "installation is broken" (message from gdk I think). |
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| 19:48.26 | phogg | grobda24: if window borders are missing there's sommit wrong with your WM (I guess). |
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| 19:49.50 | grobda24 | phogg: well I knew that, but thanks all the same :) |
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| 19:53.25 | zwerg | Hi there. |
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| 19:55.34 | zwerg | When dpkg -l says a package is installed and apt-cache policy says it's not, is there a way to sync apt to the actual packages installed? |
| 19:55.50 | zwerg | I presume dpkg is right on this. |
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| 19:56.17 | dmaaaaaaan | hey guys ... is there something like Acronis Backup for free out there ? Features like backing up VMWARE ESxi enviroments/ VMs and stuff are needed also complete automatic backups of Windows partitions |
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| 20:00.01 | nvz | dmaaaaaaan: backing up is backing up.. the novelty of this software seems to be aside from commercial support and bundled cloud storage, is the fact that they've done all the work of automating creation of dumps and exports for specific applications.. you can do all that yourself you just gotta write your own scripts and work out the specifics of your needs yourself. |
| 20:00.15 | nvz | dmaaaaaaan: either you wanna do that or you wanna pay them.. is the gist of it |
| 20:01.17 | nvz | I could in minutes write a script that does a mysql dump and tosses it on a cloud or into an archive on a backup media using basic commandline tools already on the system |
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| 20:01.39 | dmaaaaaaan | well im not afraid of doing stuff on my own, but i have problems figuring out howto image complete windows systems which are heavily in use |
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| 20:02.22 | jordanm | nvz: acronis is multi-platform disk imaging backups |
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| 20:02.59 | jordanm | not that I would choose it for my infrastructure, but I probably wouldn't pick a thin wrapper around rsync either |
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| 20:03.19 | nvz | dmaaaaaaan: well they do have trial versions to evaluate their usefulness versus the time and effort required to do the same thing yourself |
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| 20:04.33 | nvz | jordanm: well as someone who sounds like they've tackled these kinda problems maybe you can offer better advice on the matter? |
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| 20:06.22 | dmaaaaaaan | guys i know about rsync /bacula / backuppc and stuff but as far as i know they cant handle full system backups of a running system like acronis does right ? |
| 20:06.33 | nvz | dmaaaaaaan: clonezilla is the only thing that comes to mind for an all in one solution similar to acronis |
| 20:07.04 | jordanm | bacula is free, multi-platform, etc but it looks like the esxi plugin is bundled with the non-free enterprise version |
| 20:07.56 | jordanm | dmaaaaaaan: they can handle full system backups. data is only guarenteed to be consistent if you use LVM snapshots though |
| 20:08.44 | jordanm | I have done bare metal restores from bacula and rsync backups with success, but you should always test for your specific applications |
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| 20:09.45 | dmaaaaaaan | jordanm: does bacula need the esxi plugin for that job ? |
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| 20:10.46 | jordanm | dmaaaaaaan: to backup the disks themselves, probably, but that's a less useful backup to begin with |
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| 20:10.52 | jordanm | dmaaaaaaan: no to backup the files within the VMs |
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| 20:11.26 | ompaul | jordanm: to do that - back them up using rsync and have a base image of your vm you can drop in place |
| 20:11.27 | jordanm | dmaaaaaaan: are you vmdk files stored on a SAN? |
| 20:11.33 | ompaul | oh it's someone else |
| 20:11.56 | ompaul | delta delta delta full image and deltas again |
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| 20:14.13 | dmaaaaaaan | no @ this example its just a RAID 5 on a single machine with esxi and vms stored on it just the backups are stored on a NAS |
| 20:14.49 | Fivuk | Question for #debian When I compiled eggdrop it errors with "Tcl cannot be found on this system" but it is installed, I know this, apt-get install tcl told me so, please bare with me I'm slightly new to linux and I don't know if I should ask this here or in eggdrop? |
| 20:14.50 | jordanm | eww |
| 20:15.40 | jordanm | Fivuk: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 20:15.50 | jordanm | Fivuk: otherwise, yes, you are in the wrong channel |
| 20:16.20 | gusnan | Fivuk, If you want to build eggdrop from source, try the package tcl-dev |
| 20:16.52 | nvz | zwerg: I'm a bit puzzled how you reached such a point what exactly does apt-cache policy say about the package? |
| 20:16.58 | Fivuk | thanks; trying that now gusnan |
| 20:17.12 | Fivuk | Sorry jordanm. |
| 20:18.08 | zwerg | nvz: It was a fresh install and /var and /etc have been overridden in the intent of duplicating another machine. Biggest problem is that they have different architectures. |
| 20:18.55 | nvz | zwerg: well then you messed up.. you should start over and do it right this time. |
| 20:19.06 | zwerg | nvz: Thought so, thanks. |
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| 20:19.56 | jhutchins | What on earth would be so new you'd need a source install on an irc bot? |
| 20:20.17 | nvz | dpkg, tell zwerg about debian clone |
| 20:21.36 | nvz | zwerg: you should have recieved information from dpkg in a message ask it also about the other things suggested to get more information |
| 20:21.36 | babilen | prefers "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" |
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| 20:22.19 | nvz | wasnt sure if it linked to the other methods but it seems it does |
| 20:23.18 | nvz | there are a lot of ways to clone a debian system, but overwriting /var from another machine especially of a different arch isn't the way to do it.. heh |
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| 20:24.04 | nvz | all that does is present a real easy way to fubar a system |
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| 20:29.05 | zwerg | nvz: Package cloning was done beforehand, the crucial part is the configuration of different applications (apache, mysql, some user related stuff). |
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| 20:29.42 | zwerg | What to copy and what not to copy is a tough decision. |
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| 20:30.11 | nvz | zwerg: yeah well you should've first off have configured those services to reside in /srv/ not /var/ and if you didn't do that you should've copied just what you needed.. however using /srv/ like you should makes this easier. |
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| 20:32.03 | nvz | this is what /srv/ is there for.. to put your services in.. chroots, mysql, apache, etc.. so you can easily copy and backup the data files |
| 20:33.00 | nvz | however according to the FHS structure of /srv/ is up to the administrator and thus debian packages which have to comply with it have to use /var/ instead but you're highly recommended to reconfigure them to use /srv/ for this reason |
| 20:33.58 | zwerg | Makes sense. What about configuration files? |
| 20:34.48 | nvz | configuration files are safe to copy once they've been properly configured if you really want the machine to behave the same way. |
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| 20:35.53 | nvz | it was copying /var that got you into trouble not the copying of /etc |
| 20:35.59 | jhutchins | nvz: Lots of packages still put data in /var |
| 20:36.15 | nvz | they have to.. but that doesnt mean you have to run them that way |
| 20:36.23 | toni | Hi! |
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| 20:37.17 | nvz | debian complies with the FHS, so they have to leave /srv/ up to the system administrator.. its your responsibility to create the dirs and change the configs to use /srv/ rather than /var to make your life easier |
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| 20:38.39 | nvz | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
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| 20:40.01 | nvz | since the fhs clearly states that usage can vary based on specific needs, packages that have to comply with it have to use the /var/ structure by default.. you're not however suppose to use the default config.. thats part of your job as sysadmin to figure out your needs and configure your services accordingly |
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| 20:42.52 | thozethingz | are powerpcs still supported with current releases of debian? |
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| 20:43.44 | nvz | thozethingz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/release-notes/ |
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| 20:44.50 | verysoftoiletppr | anyone knows how to fix this? W: Failed to fetch http://www.emdebian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 20:44.58 | thozethingz | nvz ... thanks |
| 20:45.09 | verysoftoiletppr | http://paste.debian.net/20244/ |
| 20:45.57 | nvz | verysoftoiletppr: #embedian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:46.47 | verysoftoiletppr | nvz i've asked the question there 4 hours ago |
| 20:46.49 | nvz | verysoftoiletppr: also W: means warning.. warnings are not errors |
| 20:46.54 | verysoftoiletppr | there is no activity |
| 20:47.08 | verysoftoiletppr | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 20:47.09 | verysoftoiletppr | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 20:47.24 | verysoftoiletppr | nvz only one person exited the channel since 4 hours ago |
| 20:47.31 | nvz | verysoftoiletppr: the problems are with their repositories near as I can tell and there is nothing really any of us can do to fix that.. |
| 20:47.45 | verysoftoiletppr | nvz tks |
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| 20:53.52 | nvz | verysoftoiletppr: you could try putting [arch=all] between the deb and your mirror i.e. "deb [arch=all] http://www.emdebian...." |
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| 20:54.28 | nvz | might be a work around for your issue but it seems like the problem is that your arch is set to armhf and its not listed in the Release file on that mirror.. and apt isn't happy |
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| 20:55.52 | nvz | what I don't understand is why a mirror that is for embedded systems contains a release file that only has i386, amd64, and powerpc in it.. and not the archs typically used on embedded systems |
| 20:56.35 | nvz | http://emdebian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release clearly says its for those three architectures. |
| 20:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, because that's not where people are sent to |
| 20:57.20 | jhutchins | nvz: I've seen plenty of 386 based embedded systems. |
| 20:57.32 | nvz | that mirror seems to think lenny is still stable |
| 20:57.55 | nvz | if you look at the release files for all versions.. lenny is the only one that says stable, the rest say testing |
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| 20:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | verysoftoiletppr, I wonder what gave you the idea to use this in sources.list |
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| 20:59.24 | verysoftoiletppr | CutMeOwnThroat http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_on_Debian#Compiler |
| 20:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | verysoftoiletppr, did the idea to look at http://emdebian.org/ occur to you? :) |
| 20:59.55 | verysoftoiletppr | CutMeOwnThroat I did |
| 20:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | because... I cannot find that entry for sources.list anywhere there |
| 21:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but maybe I just didn't search enough |
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| 21:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find lines for grip, crush or wheezy which are different... |
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| 21:01.00 | nvz | yeah I'm not seeing it either.. |
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| 21:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 21:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | grip/crushed/baked |
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| 21:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch... crush is indeed still lenny |
| 21:02.10 | Fivuk | Anyone have any ideas why I'm getting 10.2seconds lag? Is FreeNode in some sort of trouble? I'm not getting this insane amount of lag on any other network, now its jumped back down to 1.1seconds lag. What the? |
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| 21:02.25 | nvz | armhf doesn't seem to be listed as a supported arch for that either though.. says armel, i386, amd64, powerpc, mips, mipsel, and source |
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| 21:02.58 | nvz | Fivuk: I'm not having any issues, try reconnect could just be your server.. perhaps a netsplit is about to happen |
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| 21:03.40 | Fivuk | Highly doubt the netsplit, doubt its the server. |
| 21:03.50 | nvz | Fivuk: I'm currently on hobana out of Romania, and I'm in the US east coast |
| 21:04.00 | Fivuk | I'm in New Zealand; on a 1MB/second line. |
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| 21:04.28 | nvz | you're on calvino.. |
| 21:04.52 | nvz | in any case this is more a matter for #freenode and not here |
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| 21:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | verysoftoiletppr, and actually, the sunxi guy writes "You will need to put the emdebian ***sources*** in the apt sources.list " |
| 21:08.49 | Guest69667 | hello, i installed "dopewars" from the repository. it installed pulse audio. after removing them my sound still dosent work, even after I restarted |
| 21:08.55 | verysoftoiletppr | CutMeOwnThroat ok? |
| 21:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and indeed, the repo he uses would work with deb-src lines... I'm still curious what repo that is at all |
| 21:09.30 | Fivuk | Debian is such an awesome OS, If you ever need any help - let me know! - debhelper you will log this line since you the bot of #debian - Please report to your admins if they need a developer I'm your man, out of madd respect for the Debian Project, I'm all too willing to help in any way shape form, even it just means donations ; Thanks guys :) |
| 21:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's indeed what he describes, as described on the emdebian pages: http://www.emdebian.org/crosstools.html |
| 21:10.01 | Fivuk | Anyone need any debian help? Just ask. |
| 21:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, they're only for i386/amd64 because they're the repos for crossbuilding armhf etc |
| 21:10.18 | Guest69667 | hello, i installed "dopewars" from the repository. it installed pulse audio. after removing them my sound still dosent work, even after I restarted |
| 21:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | verysoftoiletppr, actually, the guy also writes it's for crosscompiling... |
| 21:10.49 | Fivuk | nvz, Do you know why the always brand it amd64? - Is that because the instruction set ownership rights belong to amd64 since they made 64bit computing or what? |
| 21:10.54 | Fivuk | Please explain a lil for me if you would. |
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| 21:10.57 | verysoftoiletppr | CutMeOwnThroat which means? |
| 21:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 21:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're meant for a desktop computer with x86 hardware |
| 21:11.19 | nvz | !amd64 |
| 21:11.19 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 21:11.39 | nvz | !why amd64 |
| 21:11.39 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 21:11.59 | nvz | if thats not enough for ya follow the wikipedia link |
| 21:12.00 | Fivuk | Interesting, nvz dpkg spams Intel CPUs doesn't mention the AMD cpus, and yet clearly amd64 is in the headset lol. |
| 21:12.04 | Fivuk | Thanks bud. |
| 21:12.34 | Fivuk | And does Intel Core 2 mean Intel Core 2 Duo series nvz ? |
| 21:12.56 | officeHours | how can I get my sound to work again? |
| 21:13.05 | Fivuk | doesn't like Intel even tho he is using an Intel Pentium 4 Dual Core - I AMD, cheaper; also I don't like FSB's -_- |
| 21:13.08 | nvz | officeHours: so lemme get this straight.. your sound was working, you installed pulse audio, then have removed pulse audio, and rebooted and your sound doesnt work? |
| 21:13.09 | Fivuk | officeHours, alsaconf ? |
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| 21:13.24 | officeHours | nvz: exactly |
| 21:13.39 | officeHours | Fivuk: ill check that |
| 21:13.39 | nvz | officeHours: how do you know your sound isn't working.. are you getting an error? |
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| 21:14.00 | nvz | no, don't check that |
| 21:14.00 | officeHours | no error, just no sound being played |
| 21:14.01 | Fivuk | officeHours, use alsamixer to unmute any channels and see if detects your hardware. and turn the volume up obviously from a terminal. |
| 21:14.14 | Fivuk | Is your headset plugged in? |
| 21:14.15 | nvz | thats closer ^^ |
| 21:14.19 | Fivuk | What output do you have speakers? or headset? |
| 21:14.45 | Fivuk | More information I have/better and quicker I can help you resolve your problem. |
| 21:14.46 | officeHours | Fivuk: speakers and they are powered on |
| 21:14.58 | nvz | if you arent getting an error then the sound is working.. its likely a mixer problem |
| 21:15.03 | Fivuk | Alright, turned up at the knob? And properly connected into the Audio jack of the computer? If soo Good, just double check. |
| 21:15.19 | officeHours | Fivuk: it says Card: PulseAudio and Chip: PulseAudio |
| 21:15.30 | officeHours | in alsamixer |
| 21:15.38 | Fivuk | Now for the software side, did you launch the alsa automatic config? - That'l make nearly anything work straight off the bat and alsamixer will increase the volume. But please let me know more about your issue. |
| 21:15.39 | Fivuk | So you installed pulse it worked before then uninstalled it now it don't work officeHours ? |
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| 21:15.54 | Fivuk | I see. |
| 21:15.55 | officeHours | ues |
| 21:16.02 | nvz | officeHours: press f6 and change sound card |
| 21:16.10 | Fivuk | I was thinking that. |
| 21:16.26 | Fivuk | officeHours, try alsaconf in a terminal if that fails. |
| 21:16.35 | officeHours | k |
| 21:16.38 | Fivuk | Should spew at you "Searching sound card database". |
| 21:16.39 | Fivuk | "Following cards are found in your system . Choose a sound card to configure". |
| 21:16.42 | Fivuk | etc etc |
| 21:17.06 | Fivuk | If unsure about anything in alsaconf just hit enter the defaults should be optimal. |
| 21:17.08 | Fivuk | or at least usable. |
| 21:17.19 | officeHours | Fivuk: command not found |
| 21:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | verysoftoiletppr, they're the tools so your x86 machine can compile for armhf |
| 21:17.28 | Fivuk | Sec, They may have removed that from the newer packages. |
| 21:17.34 | nvz | yes they did |
| 21:17.46 | Fivuk | Idiots, sec. |
| 21:17.48 | nvz | which is why I said 17:10 < nvz> no, don't check that |
| 21:17.56 | nvz | just relax.. lol |
| 21:18.02 | verysoftoiletppr | CutMeOwnThroat so.. I can't compile in the armhf? |
| 21:18.10 | nvz | as I said, in alsamixer press F6, select sound card |
| 21:18.13 | Fivuk | officeHours, can you do me a favour and pastebin the output of lspci -vv? |
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| 21:18.24 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 21:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea, I'm not an emdebian guy. depends on if grip has a compiler |
| 21:18.42 | Fivuk | looks at nvz so this is a race huh to see who can fix his problem first? If so I'm out. |
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| 21:19.07 | nvz | I'm not trying to fix it first.. you're just taking the wrong steps and doing so pressing enter a whole lot |
| 21:19.16 | nvz | and suggesting stuff he can't do cause the tools dont exist |
| 21:19.25 | Fivuk | That was one slip up, due to stupid developers. |
| 21:19.29 | officeHours | Fivuk: it outputs alot of stuff |
| 21:19.30 | nvz | heh |
| 21:19.38 | Fivuk | officeHours, apt-get install alsa-utils and try again |
| 21:19.48 | Fivuk | by try again I meant the alsaconf |
| 21:19.49 | nvz | officeHours: open alsamixer back up, press F6.. last time I'm gonna say this |
| 21:19.59 | Fivuk | ^ Do what he says and if it don't work come to me officeHours I'm not in a peeing comp. |
| 21:20.10 | officeHours | nvz: ok i got more options when i do that |
| 21:20.26 | officeHours | lol guys thanks both |
| 21:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know how ambiguous that is, considering his nick? <Fivuk> ^ Do what he says and if it don't work come to me officeHours I'm not in a peeing comp. |
| 21:21.02 | officeHours | nvz: they all come up |
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| 21:21.21 | nvz | the proper diagnostic tree is.. is there an error? no.. well then its a mixer issue.. goto the mixer.. yes if alsaconf still existed, then it would solve this cause it unloads everything and reloads it.. but it doesnt exist so its not gonna work |
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| 21:21.39 | Fivuk | Considering my NIck CutMeOwnThroat ? Considering my Nick? You're making me laugh bud, My nick maybe stupid from where you are standing, however, I sure as heck wouldn't wanna cut my own throat come on man get real. |
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| 21:22.08 | officeHours | nvz: im getting sound out now in blips |
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| 21:22.27 | squidz | any idea to why i can only access ssl connections with root. I can\t for example git clone https://blah.git with noremal user, only with root |
| 21:22.27 | JasonWoof | what's a little commandline I can use to create MD5-CRYPT passwords that look like this: $1$hbFJyauS$d0WYb7LGixqgzbNwg1T.Z0 |
| 21:22.30 | Fivuk | So it's working now officeHours ? |
| 21:22.35 | nvz | officeHours: o.O blips eh? |
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| 21:23.21 | officeHours | my cpu is 100% ive been trying to load a pdf in imageMagick |
| 21:23.51 | nvz | officeHours: ah well yes, that will effect sound playback if your CPU is at 100% |
| 21:24.03 | Fivuk | officeHours, What cpu do you use and you should use htop to see whats eating your cpu, bud. |
| 21:24.13 | Fivuk | apt-get install htop && htop |
| 21:24.19 | nvz | who opens pdf's in imagemagick? |
| 21:24.27 | Fivuk | He does; stop judging. |
| 21:24.29 | officeHours | pluseaudio is at 120% in task manager |
| 21:24.42 | Fivuk | It's amplified then officeHours turn it to 100% or distortion may come your way. |
| 21:24.47 | kingsley | How would you find out why "$ debsecan --suite sid --only-fixed --no-obsolete | less" reports no CVEs that are remotely exploitable? |
| 21:24.48 | officeHours | 600mhz AMD Geode |
| 21:24.56 | Fivuk | ^ Good lord ^_^ LMAO |
| 21:25.02 | Fivuk | ^ Wait? Now who's judging? |
| 21:25.02 | Fivuk | lol |
| 21:25.06 | Fivuk | How much ram officeHours ? |
| 21:25.19 | officeHours | 256mb |
| 21:25.23 | officeHours | sound works now :) |
| 21:25.47 | Fivuk | also; officeHours htop should tell you what proc is using up yer CPU, when you find it say this-is-eating-my-cpu do killall whatever-its-name-is |
| 21:25.51 | officeHours | Fivuk: what do you mean amplifed |
| 21:25.58 | Fivuk | Good officeHours -- thanks to nvz. |
| 21:26.10 | Fivuk | Anything over 120 = Amplified software end like in VLC when you turn the volume past 100. |
| 21:26.22 | Fivuk | It'll sound yuck use alsamixer to bring them down under 100 |
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| 21:26.27 | Fivuk | Then turn it up at your speakers. |
| 21:26.35 | officeHours | ok |
| 21:26.50 | officeHours | so does pulseaudio come with debian? |
| 21:26.51 | Fivuk | Any reason why you use such old and rather slow hardware officeHours ? |
| 21:26.53 | officeHours | cause its still running |
| 21:26.55 | squidz | is it debians default configuration |
| 21:26.59 | officeHours | ohok |
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| 21:27.09 | officeHours | Fivuk: it uses really low power |
| 21:27.23 | Fivuk | That's the reason? a Core 2 Duo uses really low power in the right setup also. |
| 21:27.25 | officeHours | Fivuk: and my laptop's keyboard is broke but the screws to change it are stripped |
| 21:27.37 | Fivuk | There are things out there for next to nothing that could so eat that old hardware while using the same amount of power. |
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| 21:27.52 | officeHours | yea but they wern't around when i bought this |
| 21:27.53 | Fivuk | calls upon a Raspberry Pi lol |
| 21:27.55 | officeHours | lol |
| 21:27.57 | Fivuk | Oh fair enough. |
| 21:28.01 | Fivuk | Better then chucking it out huh? |
| 21:28.04 | Fivuk | How much did you pay if I may ask? |
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| 21:28.11 | Fivuk | Way back in the day a way rip off price I'm guessing? |
| 21:28.15 | officeHours | i plan on making it into a server for soemthing |
| 21:28.17 | officeHours | 120 |
| 21:28.31 | officeHours | its a board dosen't need cpu fan. although the proc gets hot |
| 21:28.32 | Fivuk | Glad you said "something" Nothing springs to mind for that old hardware other then maybe a run down version of packman |
| 21:28.33 | Fivuk | lol just kidding. |
| 21:28.39 | Fivuk | Oh true. |
| 21:28.41 | Fivuk | That's cool then. |
| 21:28.52 | officeHours | if i smear water on the processor it seems to speed up |
| 21:28.59 | Fivuk | LOL! |
| 21:29.05 | Fivuk | Good way to kill it if the water gets to the mobo |
| 21:29.09 | Fivuk | Does the water evaporate on contact? |
| 21:29.10 | Fivuk | lol |
| 21:29.18 | officeHours | yep lol |
| 21:29.21 | Fivuk | Nice. |
| 21:29.40 | Fivuk | Sooner that thing dies the better, which it will sooner or later, not to mention, water steaming up from a pc like that is a free sauna in your home, ROCK ON. |
| 21:29.42 | nvz | JasonWoof: mkpasswd -5 |
| 21:29.43 | officeHours | thinking about putting a heat sink on it. do you think that really speeds it? |
| 21:29.50 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 21:29.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:30.04 | Fivuk | officeHours, Cooling it will definately speed it up. |
| 21:30.12 | digdilem | nothing's going to speed that up other than dropping it out a window |
| 21:30.20 | squidz | any ideas? |
| 21:30.32 | JasonWoof | nvz: thank you! |
| 21:30.44 | nkuttler | squidz: do you get an error? |
| 21:30.47 | Fivuk | I wouldn't suggest a plain old heatsink tho officeHours in some environments a heatsink would make it hotter then without one especially with no fan on it which you want considering you want a low powered quiet box. |
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| 21:30.53 | Fivuk | digdilem, not so fast I would of thought that too, but there are a few optimizations for that old dunger. :D |
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| 21:31.05 | nkuttler | Fivuk: please, take your hardware discussion private or to #hardware |
| 21:31.18 | Fivuk | sure nkuttler. |
| 21:31.21 | squidz | nkuttler: just a time out. As root I can git clone fine |
| 21:31.28 | Fivuk | come on officeHours join me in #hardware and we can exchange ideas. If you're willing. |
| 21:31.29 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.37 | awc737 | how can I permenately add a directory to PATH? |
| 21:31.47 | Fivuk | digdilem, "DIG" gives way to that idea. :P |
| 21:31.53 | awc737 | without having to do "source ~/.profile" or "source ~/.bashrc" every time? |
| 21:31.58 | squidz | nkuttler: I also noticed the same problem with connecting to https addresses earlier so it isn't git's problem |
| 21:32.01 | nkuttler | squidz: try with --verbose |
| 21:32.01 | officeHours | with debain on it its fine for programming and web browsing. i haven't tried video |
| 21:32.03 | Fivuk | Good on you digdilem I would of done the same :S But perhaps burning is more effecient then filling up the ground with $hit metals. |
| 21:32.19 | Fivuk | How do you burn metals? Easy Furnus. |
| 21:32.35 | nvz | awc737: put it in one of those files.. they get sourced automatically on login |
| 21:32.40 | Fivuk | officeHours, don't ever try video lul |
| 21:32.49 | Fivuk | officeHours, it may run a video but don't even attempt hd lol |
| 21:32.59 | awc737 | nvz, they don't though, I've tried many times and log out / in |
| 21:33.02 | nvz | awc737: if you mean globally for all users you put it in the /etc/profile or for new users /etc/skel/profile |
| 21:33.17 | officeHours | any cool games that can run on console? |
| 21:33.18 | nvz | awc737: are you using bash as your shell? |
| 21:33.23 | Fivuk | also officeHours did you notice what htop said was using the 100% CPU we better move officeHours to #hardware nkuttler isn't liking this offtopic in #debian |
| 21:33.27 | awc737 | global is fine, it just hasn't been working on log in in ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile |
| 21:33.32 | officeHours | ok ill go there |
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| 21:33.37 | awc737 | yes nvz bash |
| 21:33.42 | nkuttler | Fivuk: it's not that i don't like it, there are channel guidelines |
| 21:34.05 | Fivuk | I know that :) - Done what you requested, Sir. |
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| 21:34.34 | Lady_Aleena | When installing Debian, will it give me the option to install a browser with it or do I have to wait and search for it after the installation? |
| 21:34.50 | awc737 | nvz, I think I need to change this: PATH=$PATH:$HOME/npm/bin |
| 21:34.54 | awc737 | to this: export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/npm/bin |
| 21:34.57 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: there will be one if you install the desktop task |
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| 21:35.14 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, Firefox I hope. |
| 21:35.27 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: if you do a standard desktop install with the normal cd you will have gnome and iceweasel(firefox) and probably epiphany |
| 21:35.29 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: no idea, i avoid tasks |
| 21:35.40 | awc737 | nvz, nope, still didn't work |
| 21:36.09 | Fivuk | ^ Surprise surprise. |
| 21:36.17 | Fivuk | Nah I'm not hating just kidding nvz :P |
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| 21:36.40 | Fivuk | <polokov> Error: ")" is not a valid command. |
| 21:36.41 | Fivuk | ^ FAIL |
| 21:36.57 | Fivuk | Wrong window; sorry I failed. |
| 21:36.59 | nvz | ugh.. |
| 21:37.12 | Fivuk | ^ Patience of a saint, anyone need any help? |
| 21:37.22 | Th0masR0ss | 1/4 |
| 21:38.15 | Lady_Aleena | The only reason I'm going to Linux is becasue I don't want to be forced to "upgrade" to Windows 7 next April. I'll be using Debian like I used Windows more than likely. |
| 21:38.27 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: good for you! |
| 21:38.34 | squidz | nkuttler: error: failed to connect to bitbocket.org:3218; Connection timed out while accessing http://blah.git/info/refs ////// fatal: HTTP request failed |
| 21:39.02 | Lady_Aleena | I know this might sound strange, but I think I will miss my drive letters. |
| 21:39.08 | nkuttler | squidz: that doesn't look like the true error at all |
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| 21:39.27 | nkuttler | squidz: anyway, you said you can't open https conntections either? |
| 21:39.31 | awc737 | I finally got my path to stick |
| 21:39.32 | Lady_Aleena | I won't miss having to change back slashes to forward slashes in my Perl scripts. |
| 21:39.35 | awc737 | ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:39.35 | apt | source ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:39.59 | awc737 | apt, I didn't want to have to do that every time |
| 21:39.59 | apt | You didn't want to have to do that every time? |
| 21:40.03 | squidz | yeah it just times out. Yeah I had a server that was supposed to serve https resources, and I couldn't connect to that either |
| 21:40.09 | nkuttler | awc737: apt is a bot |
| 21:40.19 | awc737 | lol |
| 21:40.26 | nkuttler | squidz: paste output of wget -S https://google.com on paste.debian.net |
| 21:40.29 | awc737 | I was about to fight him |
| 21:41.17 | squidz | nkuttler: okay that works |
| 21:41.46 | nkuttler | squidz: then try not misspelling bitbucket |
| 21:42.08 | nkuttler | squidz: and paste the *real* error, not something you copy with typos |
| 21:42.09 | squidz | I am using a copied and pasted address to my repository |
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| 21:42.32 | squidz | Cloning into 'tschach'... |
| 21:42.32 | squidz | error: Failed connect to bitbucket.org:3128; Connection timed out while accessing https://beandipper@bitbucket.org/beandipper/tschach.git/info/refs |
| 21:42.35 | squidz | fatal: HTTP request failed |
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| 21:43.08 | nkuttler | squidz: ask in #git, that looks like a remote error to me |
| 21:43.22 | squidz | nkuttler: okay ill give them a try. Thanks |
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| 21:52.32 | Lady_Aleena | Approximately how long will it take Debian to format a 465GB hard drive with a Pentium 4 3.40GHz CPU? |
| 21:54.00 | zwerg | Lady_Aleena: Depends on the method. A quick format should do in a few seconds. |
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| 21:58.31 | Lady_Aleena | zwerg, whatever formatting Debian does before installation. |
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| 22:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fivuk, considering the other guys nick, actually. but nevermind |
| 22:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should have been obvious... oh well |
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| 22:05.15 | botes | hi there |
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| 22:05.53 | botes | after clean install of debian 7 I got no sound |
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| 22:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's good, no? at least if the sound would be the one indicating an error :P |
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| 22:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I'd stop/deinstall pulse... grmp... not sure how you "stop" pulse if gnome3 starts it |
| 22:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | then walk along that |
| 22:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, alsa checklist |
| 22:08.40 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 22:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | then install pulse again |
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| 22:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, maybe the checklist also works with pulse... it should, but results aren't as clear and unambiguous |
| 22:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, pulseaudio |
| 22:09.56 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that's helpful :-/ |
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| 22:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | botes, ^^^ |
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| 22:12.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | alright. sleeping time. bb |
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| 22:13.54 | Lady_Aleena | Should I delete all of the desktop.ini files I have saved? |
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| 22:14.25 | Th0masR0ss | Lady_Aleena: why do you have .ini files? |
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| 22:15.20 | Lady_Aleena | I'm currently a Windows user who is preparing to switch to Debian becuase I don't want to be forced into Windows 7 next April. |
| 22:16.15 | Th0masR0ss | Lady_Aleena: I see. Yeah, debian doesn't care about .ini files |
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| 22:17.55 | Th0masR0ss | <Th0masR0ss> ini |
| 22:17.57 | Lady_Aleena | I thought as much. |
| 22:18.08 | Th0masR0ss | <dpkg>Are you using windows? |
| 22:18.12 | Th0masR0ss | lol |
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| 22:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bot saw right through you |
| 22:21.29 | Th0masR0ss | ha |
| 22:21.48 | botes | bye, thanks anyway |
| 22:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey! I answered him |
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| 22:27.36 | smallfoot | Can you put the latest Wayland/Weston in Debian repo? |
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| 22:31.10 | donman50 | hello |
| 22:31.16 | ctcpBoss | hello |
| 22:31.34 | donman50 | running debian nice |
| 22:31.51 | ctcpBoss | yep |
| 22:32.05 | donman50 | very stable here |
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| 22:32.33 | ctcpBoss | donman: according to ctcp, you're running xchat |
| 22:32.39 | ctcpBoss | on an amd64 |
| 22:32.50 | donman50 | correct but not as root |
| 22:33.02 | ctcpBoss | yeah |
| 22:33.17 | ctcpBoss | 800.5MHz? |
| 22:33.18 | donman50 | its easy |
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| 22:33.36 | ctcpBoss | you should use irssi |
| 22:33.46 | aristoteles | hi debian room, i'm kinda stuck. apt-get install <anypackage> is giving me |
| 22:33.50 | ctcpBoss | you can also spoof your ctcp replies |
| 22:33.55 | donman50 | ill check it out thks ctcboss |
| 22:34.03 | ctcpBoss | np |
| 22:34.13 | aristoteles | Size mismatch, i tried more than one repo and apt-get update... don't know what to do (sorry about flood, didn't mean to press enter) |
| 22:34.19 | ctcpBoss | btw, you use /ctcp nick VERSION |
| 22:34.26 | ctcpBoss | to get that information |
| 22:34.43 | donman50 | ok thks |
| 22:36.01 | aristoteles | not sure what to do. let me know if you guys know how to investigate |
| 22:36.58 | officeHours | my sound stoped working again in the middle of playing a song in VLC. adjusting mixer dosent seem to work... |
| 22:38.10 | aristoteles | i'm surprised if i actually stumped the debian irc room!? no suggestions for Size mismatch error from apt-get |
| 22:39.18 | aristoteles | i get a suggestion from apt-get to try 'fix-missing' but i it's not helping. |
| 22:39.46 | aristoteles | in fact, since every single package is giving me this erro, i think there should be some way to say 'i don't care about the size mismatch, go ahead and install' |
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| 22:40.08 | aristoteles | forced, maybe you just inspired me, i should try --force |
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| 22:41.30 | aristoteles | no --force install on apt-get. i guess that was something else |
| 22:41.53 | Lady_Aleena | Both of you might want to try in ##linux too? |
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| 22:42.32 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: why are you using windows??? |
| 22:42.57 | Lady_Aleena | ctcpBoss, because I am getting up the courage to switch to Debian. |
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| 22:43.32 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: Do it. Now I can never go back do windows. |
| 22:43.36 | Lady_Aleena | I've been using Windows since 3.0, so switching to Linux (any distribution) is a bit scary. |
| 22:44.08 | ctcpBoss | you learn it much faster |
| 22:44.13 | ctcpBoss | It's much better documented |
| 22:44.33 | Lady_Aleena | And considering I am looking at having to rebuild my address book in Outlook 2003 from scratch is terrifying. |
| 22:45.02 | aristoteles | can you guys hear me? |
| 22:45.06 | aristoteles | am i blocked here? |
| 22:45.09 | ctcpBoss | no |
| 22:45.15 | Lady_Aleena | Yes aristoteles, I see you. |
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| 22:45.32 | aristoteles | ok, i just saw something about a mode change and i wondered if i wasn't coming through. |
| 22:45.39 | aristoteles | thanks for the reply LadyAllena |
| 22:45.52 | Lady_Aleena | I just don't know the answer. You may have to be patient until someone shows up who might. |
| 22:45.59 | max192mb | i installed wheezy on ancient celeron 366Mhz 192mb ram laptop. i want X to start immediately/automatically after login in vt terminal, that is i do not want to issue manually the command startx upon login. how can this be done? |
| 22:47.26 | aristoteles | max192mb, i think you just need to install kdm, gdm, slim, whatever and add that program to the default run level. something like rc-update |
| 22:47.44 | ctcpBoss | update-rc.d |
| 22:48.23 | ctcpBoss | lxde would probably be best for a slower machine. |
| 22:48.26 | max192mb | I have 192MB an graphical login manager is out of the question! |
| 22:48.37 | ctcpBoss | oh |
| 22:48.37 | Lady_Aleena | ctcpBoss, also, once I install Debian, I can't go back no matter what. |
| 22:48.54 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: why is that? |
| 22:48.58 | ctcpBoss | you could dual boot |
| 22:49.16 | ctcpBoss | That's what I did until I got a new computer |
| 22:49.21 | max192mb | i do not want to rum LXDE, it is dead slow on 192mb ram. NO! i can not upgrade the ram. The motherboard supports 192MB maximum |
| 22:49.21 | ctcpBoss | now I only use debian |
| 22:49.45 | nkuttler | max192mb: um, xdm? |
| 22:49.55 | Lady_Aleena | ctcpBoss, I updated Windows XP over the past 10 years. My XP install disk is pre SP1. |
| 22:50.03 | max192mb | NO graphical display manager! |
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| 22:50.48 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: you could burn a gparted disk |
| 22:50.51 | mullein | max192mb: if you use the bash shell, there are several files that are sourced upon login depending on whether you log in interactively or not. debian/bash docs should have which one meets your needs |
| 22:50.54 | max192mb | Let me remind you lot that a use will ALWAYS login in a vt |
| 22:50.55 | ctcpBoss | and shrink your windows partitions |
| 22:51.06 | ctcpBoss | then It wouldn't need to be reinstalled |
| 22:51.17 | nkuttler | max192mb: see man bash for the bash startup process |
| 22:51.18 | mullein | max192mb: another option would be to set the user's shell to startx, though I don't know how well that would work. |
| 22:51.20 | max192mb | mullein, that is a very vague answer |
| 22:51.33 | Lady_Aleena | ctcpBoss, my ultimate goal is to leave Microsoft behind. It is just hard for me to give it up. |
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| 22:51.40 | nkuttler | mullein: sounds like a good idea actually |
| 22:51.49 | mullein | max192mb: for bash it's either .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc |
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| 22:52.11 | nkuttler | mullein: though no remote login then |
| 22:52.12 | mullein | i don't keep track of which does which |
| 22:52.18 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: then I say go for it. I'm sure there's some way to copy your outlook address book. |
| 22:52.21 | max192mb | mullein, i found this but only applies to arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Login |
| 22:52.34 | mullein | nkuttler, if they ssh -X it might work |
| 22:52.54 | nkuttler | max192mb: how does that only apply to arch? |
| 22:52.55 | Lady_Aleena | ctcpBoss, if I could print it I would, but my printer is dead. |
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| 22:55.30 | ctcpBoss | Lady_Aleena: something like this? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/175017 |
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| 22:55.46 | ctcpBoss | then you could copy it into icedove or something |
| 22:56.45 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what email program I want to use yet, but more than likely it will be Thunderbird. |
| 22:56.59 | ctcpBoss | On Debian, Thunderbird is Icedove |
| 22:57.06 | ctcpBoss | It's just renamed |
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| 22:57.45 | Moopie | Hello everybody |
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| 23:01.35 | max192mb | nkuttler, when i tried that on wheezy, X did not start automatically, all i got was a command prompt |
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| 23:02.44 | Azis | heelo |
| 23:02.45 | Azis | http://i.imgur.com/CnEeI.jpg?1 |
| 23:04.09 | nkuttler | max192mb: so debug it |
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| 23:04.37 | max192mb | what? i am desktop newbie. debug what? |
| 23:04.53 | max192mb | i am no geek |
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| 23:05.23 | Azis | max http://i.imgur.com/CnEeI.jpg?1 |
| 23:05.29 | nkuttler | !ops Azis |
| 23:05.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: Azis |
| 23:05.56 | Azis | heh |
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| 23:06.05 | Azis | !ops Azis |
| 23:06.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: azis complains about: Azis |
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| 23:08.01 | Lady_Aleena | BRB, going to start dinner. |
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| 23:10.17 | max192mb | can anyone help this desktop newbie? |
| 23:11.14 | aristoteles | max, what was your question? |
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| 23:11.53 | max192mb | aristoteles, are you talking to me? |
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| 23:12.58 | rabies_ | i accidentially deleted my bin, boot, and etc dirs, I was able to recover most of the files, but not all |
| 23:13.06 | rabies_ | is there a way to just reinstall the base system? |
| 23:14.25 | rabies_ | am i lagged out? |
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| 23:14.59 | rabies | nope, guess not |
| 23:15.04 | mentor | !tell max192mb about ask |
| 23:15.15 | max192mb | i installed wheezy on ancient celeron 366Mhz 192mb ram laptop. i want X to start immediately/automatically after login in vt terminal, that is i do not want to issue manually the command startx upon login. how can this be done? |
| 23:15.33 | mentor | rabies: There are any number of ways to do that |
| 23:15.37 | max192mb | I have 192MB an graphical login manager is out of the question! |
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| 23:16.04 | rabies | mentor, well, im booted into an ubuntu live cd and i have the drive mounted |
| 23:16.08 | mentor | max192mb: Any standard technique to run commands on login will work |
| 23:16.21 | rabies | mentor, any ways i can do it from that state? |
| 23:16.39 | max192mb | sorry, can you please be more specific? |
| 23:17.07 | mentor | max192mb: ~/.bashrc? |
| 23:17.22 | max192mb | mentor, ? |
| 23:17.49 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I can't start dinner because I don't have everything I need and hubby's truck is in the way and I can't get out. Also, I just got 3 bug bites which now itch like hell. |
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| 23:18.20 | Lady_Aleena | 4 bug bites |
| 23:18.35 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: apt-get install bugzapper |
| 23:18.38 | mentor | rabies: Have you got enough stuff on your hard drive to run apt? |
| 23:18.41 | Lady_Aleena | I wish. |
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| 23:19.17 | mentor | max192mb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4128817/how-can-i-execute-a-command-when-i-first-login-to-my-unix-server |
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| 23:20.06 | rabies | mentor, looks like it |
| 23:20.25 | rabies | mentor, im on my system as a chroot jail rebound proc,dev,sys |
| 23:20.31 | rabies | mentor, i was just able to get rid of unzip |
| 23:20.51 | mentor | rabies: Do you know which things you lost? |
| 23:20.58 | rabies | mentor, mostly symlinks |
| 23:22.03 | rabies | mentor, so i was able to get rid of unzip, but its not updating my apt-get update cache properly.. |
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| 23:22.23 | mentor | What does it say? |
| 23:22.41 | rabies | mentor, its completing but not updating any sources |
| 23:23.09 | mentor | So it's up to date? |
| 23:23.17 | rabies | i think im missing my repos |
| 23:23.30 | mentor | rabies: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:23.36 | rabies | its using a directory... |
| 23:23.45 | rabies | and theres only 1 repo, and its not a useful one |
| 23:24.05 | mentor | rabies: /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 23:24.07 | rabies | yeah |
| 23:24.14 | max192mb | mentor, .bash_profile did not work but .bashrc did. thank you |
| 23:24.35 | mentor | max192mb: Profile is only executed in a login shell |
| 23:25.03 | mentor | rabies: You could use debsums to check your packages integrity |
| 23:25.19 | rabies | i dont have that |
| 23:26.52 | mentor | rabies: Once you've resuscitated your system you can check it |
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| 23:32.59 | rabies | mentor, isnt there like a set of base packages i can just force reinstall? |
| 23:33.03 | rabies | i think that would do it |
| 23:33.09 | rabies | mentor, like sysv, apt, etc |
| 23:33.36 | themill | aptitude reinstall ~i |
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| 23:34.30 | Lady_Aleena | Now I need a big distraction. |
| 23:34.37 | devios | so i recently upgraded from squeeze to wheezy (7.1). After doing so, im having weird issues with the server, like iptables doesn't seem to be installed anymore, vsftpd is listening but connections to the port time out, etc. aptitude -f install, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude full-upgrade all work without warnings/problems. what would you check next? |
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| 23:37.18 | mentor | devios: Well, I would install iptables to start |
| 23:38.01 | devios | mentor: agreed, but that shouldn't prevent vsftpd from working |
| 23:38.06 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:38.16 | devios | mentor: should it? |
| 23:38.32 | mentor | devios: No, but that was also sort of my point |
| 23:39.09 | devios | mentor: ah understood. |
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| 23:40.25 | mentor | devios: Is it just ftp that's having network issues? |
| 23:41.17 | devios | mentor: dunno yet - i tried to reboot it and it didn't come back up. it's not really a production server (test environment) but will need colo staff to bring it back online for me (so i can't see what's preventing it from rebooting - waiting for colo to tell me) |
| 23:42.12 | mentor | Is it a VPS or your own machine? |
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| 23:45.46 | rabies | mentor, well im reinstalling the base system from an install cd....lets see if this works... |
| 23:46.01 | mentor | rabies: That should also work fine |
| 23:46.41 | rabies | mentor, its an install to a dirty system, but i havent changed things i dont think...it still should just be debian stable |
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| 23:48.08 | rabies | mostly i wish extundelete worked with symlinks... |
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| 23:48.32 | mentor | I think symlinks are stored entirely in the metadata |
| 23:48.39 | mentor | on ext? |
| 23:48.43 | rabies | ext4 |
| 23:49.55 | mentor | That was a placeholder "?" :) |
| 23:50.01 | rabies | oh, ha |
| 23:51.30 | Lady_Aleena | Over in ##linux, I just saw someone mention a single user mode. Is there a way to install Debian so there is only one user so I don't have to worry about accounts and passowrds just to boot my computer. |
| 23:51.52 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: You can set up an autologin |
| 23:52.35 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: single user mode is more of a special debugging/recovery mode for when the system cannot boot up all the way |
| 23:52.48 | Lady_Aleena | I have never understood the reason behind seperate "accounts" for OSs. |
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| 23:53.24 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: Computer run in environment with more than one user |
| 23:54.17 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: The idea that single-user single-session is the norm is the result of some other OSes which shall not be named |
| 23:54.23 | Lady_Aleena | There should be the question "Is more than one person going to be using this computer?". If no, "accounts" is ignored. |
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| 23:55.41 | vectr0n | Lady_Aleena: more people use accounts then not so I wouldn't see that as a good option. Just make one account and be done with it, lol. |
| 23:55.50 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: No. Perhaps there should be a question whether autologin should be set up; however, consider that even if there is only one main user that does not necessarily that one wants autologin |
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| 23:56.51 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: I.e., the set up you want should not be considered the default simply because of that |
| 23:58.25 | Lady_Aleena | When accounts were introduced in Windows, it really messed me up. I didn't know where Windows was putting things. Was the program installed for everyone? Where are the files being stored for X program? It was a mess. |
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| 23:58.49 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: Yes, that is due to poor administrative tools for Windows |
| 23:59.14 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: And the fact that Windows and Windows software has made the assumption of single-user single-session for many years |
| 23:59.22 | Phivuk | BE RIGHT BACK GUYS GETTING CHIPS TO EAT back 5 minutes. |
| 23:59.30 | max192mb | mentor, i've got another problem. after login from the console X starts up and i find myself in a nice and light icewm environment BUT whenever i open xterm or lxterminal, i get this: "X:user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" Pressing CTRL C gets me a prompt |
| 23:59.47 | max192mb | this is certainly annoying . how can i get rid of that message? |
