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| 00:00.42 | mentor | max192mb: That suggests to me that the XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY environment variables aren't set |
| 00:01.01 | max192mb | mentor, so what can i do? |
| 00:01.21 | mentor | max192mb: Ah |
| 00:01.26 | mentor | max192mb: Sorry, stupid |
| 00:01.42 | mentor | max192mb: When you load the terminal it's trying to run X as per your bashrc |
| 00:02.11 | max192mb | mentor, so what can i do to get rid of that annoying message? |
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| 00:02.21 | mentor | max192mb: Tell it not to start X |
| 00:03.06 | max192mb | mentor, but you told me to do so in order to achieve what i wanted to achieve in the first place |
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| 00:04.00 | mentor | max192mb: It is possible to differentiate between the situations in the script |
| 00:04.16 | max192mb | how? |
| 00:06.55 | Lady_Aleena | mentor and vectr0n, I get irasible and whiney when I'm covered in bug bites and trying to take my mind off of them. |
| 00:07.19 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you could use "if" to test if $DISPLAY is empty perhaps? |
| 00:07.21 | Lady_Aleena | I also get stupid apparently. |
| 00:07.31 | vectr0n | Lady_Aleena: happens to all of us :) part of being human |
| 00:07.32 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: It was a valid point to bring up |
| 00:08.18 | max192mb | jmcnaught, sorry, i am a desktop newbie, can you please be more specific? |
| 00:08.20 | mentor | jmcnaught, max192mb: Probably checking for the X environmental variable would make the most sense. |
| 00:08.34 | jmcnaught | max192mb: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html this shows you how to use if in bash |
| 00:08.42 | Lady_Aleena | When Windows 3.0 came along, I got lazy. I stopped using the command line in DOS 6.2. |
| 00:08.48 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:08.50 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: :D |
| 00:09.11 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I will get back on topic in a moment. |
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| 00:10.01 | Lady_Aleena | So, I guess I will have to stop being laxy with I install Debian. How much command line work is normal with Debian? |
| 00:10.19 | Lady_Aleena | s/laxy/lazy/; |
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| 00:12.00 | max192mb | jmcnaught, you are telling a desktop newbie to learn bash scripting? |
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| 00:12.41 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: It is not the case that the most common administrative tasks have been examined end-to-end to eliminate command line work. |
| 00:13.02 | jmcnaught | max192mb: sure why not? :) i just got here a few minutes ago. i think you've got something like "startx" in your .bashrc so that X, or am I mistaken? |
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| 00:13.32 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: I suspect the worst of it may simply be editing configuration files though |
| 00:13.42 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I do a little at the command line now (running some of my Perl scripts). |
| 00:14.11 | mentor | max192mb: It does not sound like it would be beyond you |
| 00:14.28 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: Well, if you understand perl… |
| 00:14.34 | max192mb | jmcnaught, desktop newbies should not be asked to learn bash scripting immediately after installing the OS on their computer |
| 00:15.07 | mentor | max192mb: http://codewiki.wikidot.com/shell-script:if-else |
| 00:15.26 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, the Perl community were the first ones to push me towards Linux and the Linux community pushed me towards Debian. |
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| 00:15.32 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you might be better off using a display manager then, like gdm3 or lightdm? |
| 00:15.33 | mentor | max192mb: You want to run without the standard environment, you have to give a little. |
| 00:16.08 | jmcnaught | max192mb: and learning is fun! |
| 00:16.18 | mentor | Science! |
| 00:16.42 | max192mb | I have 192MB which is the maximm supported by the laptop's motherboard. a graphical login manager is out of the question! |
| 00:17.00 | zjhxmjl | hi,how to password protect debian's boot loader? |
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| 00:17.20 | zjhxmjl | who can give me a guide? |
| 00:17.57 | vectr0n | google can |
| 00:18.02 | max192mb | jmcnaught, yes, i have startx at the end of my .bashrc |
| 00:18.06 | jmcnaught | max192mb: in that case you should consider removing startx from your .bashrc, and simply type startx at the CLI when you want to use X |
| 00:18.16 | mentor | zjhxmjl: You might want to think about encrypting your hard drive too |
| 00:18.58 | zjhxmjl | mentor: no,i want to password protect boot loader only |
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| 00:19.11 | mentor | zjhxmjl: It has been considered then. |
| 00:19.15 | max192mb | jmcnaught, there must be something that can be done on debian to achieve what i want to achieve. There is on arch |
| 00:19.33 | max192mb | i found this but only applies to arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Login |
| 00:19.46 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: I can really guarantee that it's no worse than perl |
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| 00:20.16 | vectr0n | zjhxmjl: http://www.debiantutorials.org/password-protect-grub-boot-loader-miscellaneous-linux-227.html |
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| 00:20.41 | vectr0n | zjhxmjl: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-secure-grub-boot-loader.html |
| 00:20.48 | vectr0n | all from googling what you want ;) |
| 00:20.52 | jmcnaught | max192mb: heh, i was just about to type "why not put the startx command in your .bash_profile instead of your .bashrc?" and that's the advice on that arch link :) |
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| 00:21.26 | zjhxmjl | vectr0n:thanks |
| 00:21.37 | mentor | jmcnaught: Apparently, that didn't work for max192mb earlier |
| 00:21.37 | vectr0n | zjhxmjl: np :) |
| 00:21.50 | zjhxmjl | but i can't found grub-md5-crypt in debian |
| 00:22.05 | ImaLamer | max192mb: have you tried to get bash to startx with those words from Arch |
| 00:22.08 | vectr0n | zjhxmjl: google for the answers then |
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| 00:23.10 | max192mb | jmcnaught, what is the lightest graphical display manager for debian? |
| 00:23.27 | vectr0n | zjhxmjl: google "debian wheezy password protect boot loader" you will find your answer |
| 00:23.28 | max192mb | ImaLamer, yes and it failed |
| 00:23.57 | zjhxmjl | vectr0n: ok,i'll try,thanks again! |
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| 00:25.12 | elvora | ##c |
| 00:25.44 | jmcnaught | max192mb: i don't know i just use gdm3. does your laptop have a swap partition? the display manager would probably spend most of its time in swap, not in your 192MB of RAM |
| 00:26.49 | jmcnaught | max192mb: i think it's worth trying to put the startx command in either .bash_profile or .profile again though. |
| 00:26.54 | max192mb | jmcnaught, yes i have a 1 gig swap partition |
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| 00:27.36 | mentor | max192mb: nodm? |
| 00:28.10 | ImaLamer | max192mb: maybe provide the channel with the error - or paste the relevant lines of your .bash_profile to paste.debian.com |
| 00:28.19 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks mentor. |
| 00:28.22 | ImaLamer | *paste.debian.net |
| 00:28.25 | jonseeker | HI I'm trying to figure out how to get Gnome 3 working, I'm working off of the live dvd of wheezy |
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| 00:28.53 | Lady_Aleena | was afk starting dinner. |
| 00:29.28 | mentor | Lady_Aleena: It's alright, IRC is asynchronous |
| 00:29.30 | ImaLamer | max192mb: if you are brave you can troubleshoot bash issues in #bash |
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| 00:30.44 | max192mb | ImaLamer, i am a desktop newbie, so i won't |
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| 00:31.32 | jmcnaught | max192mb: what error did you get with startx in .profile? |
| 00:33.18 | Lady_Aleena | *sneeze sneeze sneeze* |
| 00:33.35 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i got no error, after login, X did not start and i just got my standard prompt |
| 00:34.39 | ImaLamer | max192mb: maybe the conditions in the if statement aren't being met |
| 00:34.54 | ImaLamer | (could be on the wrong TTY based on the examples I've looked at) |
| 00:36.35 | jmcnaught | max192mb: could you pastebin the lines you're using in .bashrc then? or is it just the single line "startx" |
| 00:37.04 | max192mb | jmcnaught, it is just a single line with startx |
| 00:37.46 | max192mb | jmcnaught, it is just a single line, namely "startx" (without the quotation marks) |
| 00:38.05 | jmcnaught | max192mb: at the very bottom of the file? is there anything else in the file? |
| 00:38.25 | max192mb | jmcnaught, no |
| 00:39.16 | jmcnaught | max192mb: maybe try this: copy your .bashrc to .profile, then remove startx from .bashrc |
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| 00:41.24 | max192mb | jmcnaught, done. now what? |
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| 00:41.59 | jmcnaught | try logging in to see if X starts, and load a terminal emulator to see if you still get the errors |
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| 00:43.34 | max192mb | after login, X does not starts automatically, i have to issue startx if I want to start an x session |
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| 00:44.40 | anonymuouss | did you recently install anything that might have removed your login manager ? |
| 00:45.40 | anonymuouss | meh regardless, wrong channel |
| 00:45.49 | anonymuouss | sorry |
| 00:46.24 | max192mb | anonymuouss, I do not have a login manager |
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| 00:46.52 | deworde | Hello, can anyone tell me how to do iptables --list without it doing host lookups on every entry? |
| 00:47.23 | deworde | It just seems really daft, I only care about the ip addresses |
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| 00:48.10 | jmcnaught | max192mb: for what it's worth, i tried it out by putting "echo 'this is a test'" in the bottom of my .profile. The message displays when i log in (on the console, which runs .profile) but does not display when I run a terminal emulator (which runs .bashrc). so I don't know what's different with your set up |
| 00:48.12 | max192mb | nodm is not what i want, is lightdm the lightest alternative? |
| 00:48.52 | agora | I am super confused about the netinstall process. If common intel wireless adapters require "firmware-iwlwifi" to be downloaded, then what is the point of net install? |
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| 00:49.42 | vectr0n | agora: netinstall via network cables if your wifi adapters not recognized |
| 00:49.44 | max192mb | nodm is not what i want, is lightdm the lightest alternative? |
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| 00:49.58 | vectr0n | agora: then compile the wifi drivers :) |
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| 00:50.07 | devios | mentor: ssh was working before the shutdown, as was apache. just problems with vsftpd. it's a dedicated server, not a vps. |
| 00:50.47 | jmcnaught | agora: you can also put the firmware on a USB stick and the installer will find them during the install. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 00:50.52 | agora | vectr0n ah ok, i'll just unplug the router for a bit then i don't think i have a spare ethernet cord |
| 00:51.08 | agora | jmcnaught oooh i might do that |
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| 00:51.12 | deworde | -n, found it... |
| 00:51.14 | agora | jmcnaught thanks |
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| 00:52.07 | agora | one question though: I'm switching from ubuntu to debian so that I can have greater stability and so that I won't have to use non-free software. Is there really no way to do this with free software? |
| 00:52.36 | jmcnaught | agora: the firmware is not free software unfortunately, that's why it's not included with the .iso |
| 00:52.46 | jalalsfs | How can I make a static IP address for wifi network in Wheezy? |
| 00:53.01 | agora | jmcnaught :((( |
| 00:53.11 | agora | dang |
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| 00:53.33 | agora | jmcnaught is it intel's proprietary driver or something? |
| 00:54.30 | jmcnaught | agora: the driver itself (which runs on your computer's CPU) is free software, but the firmware (which is loaded on to the wifi chip at run time) is not free. |
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| 00:55.22 | agora | jmcnaught ah, got it. still a bummer though |
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| 00:55.46 | agora | will the installer know that it needs to install the firmware before proceeding with the install? |
| 00:56.42 | jmcnaught | agora: the installer will ask you if you want to search for the missing firmware |
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| 00:56.54 | agora | ok sweet |
| 00:56.56 | agora | thanks |
| 00:57.06 | jmcnaught | agora: good luck :) |
| 00:57.45 | ZIPY | btw that didnt work for me last time |
| 00:58.08 | ZIPY | i made a fat32 usb with the name.fw for my network card |
| 00:58.19 | ZIPY | it couldnt find it.. i tried /firmware too on the usb |
| 00:58.35 | agora | has anyone else here installed debian on a system76? |
| 00:59.53 | dvs | ZIPY: So get the firmware ISO |
| 01:00.49 | Moopie | system76 is created by Caronical? |
| 01:02.46 | ImaLamer | no |
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| 01:03.21 | ImaLamer | jalalsfs: you can do it with network-manager, /etc/interfaces, wicd, etc |
| 01:03.38 | max192mb | My ancient laptop can only do a maximum of 800x600 @24 or @16 bit color. 16 bit color makes my old system perform better. wheezy does not have an xorg.conf so how can i make 800x600 @16bit color the default? |
| 01:03.58 | max192mb | i just installed slim display manager btw |
| 01:04.10 | jalalsfs | ImaLamer, Thank you. |
| 01:04.11 | Moopie | Ho yes, it's Caronical who hosted the forum ! |
| 01:04.51 | agora | moopie no, but system76 computers come with ubuntu preinstalled so system76 runs their own subforum on ubuntu forums |
| 01:05.19 | ImaLamer | i don't think canonical ran the ubuntu forums |
| 01:05.45 | agora | that too |
| 01:06.11 | Moopie | agora > thanks for the information! |
| 01:06.49 | agora | moopie yep! :) |
| 01:06.58 | ZIPY | dvs: well my ethernet works fine tho and since the firmware are non-free, ill keep it like this. if i cant proceed without firmware i will know for the next time thanks ;) |
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| 01:08.37 | Moopie | Who hate ubuntu here? (it's juste a question :P) |
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| 01:09.19 | themill | Moopie: perhaps you were looking for #ubuntu to discuss things wholly unrelated to Debian. |
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| 01:10.49 | ZIPY | Moopie: me, but not hate, just getting annoyed by crashes and bugs of "unstable" packages |
| 01:11.43 | Moopie | themill, it's only a question to know theappetence of this irc ;) |
| 01:12.03 | ZIPY | Moopie: but its probably the best beginner linux for desktops |
| 01:13.27 | Moopie | ZIPY, i thing Ubuntu it's not the best distrib to begin because Ubunto show not the reality of Linux |
| 01:14.15 | Moopie | (I'm French, i'm a duffer in englich) |
| 01:14.41 | ZIPY | Moopie: well if u keep it like its out of the box yes, but if u start configuring/customizing/adding software, u slowly learn from linux too |
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| 01:15.06 | themill | ZIPY, Moopie: this channel is for Debian user support. Please take it elsewhere. |
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| 01:15.55 | ZIPY | isnt ubuntu based on debian? ^^ |
| 01:16.07 | dvs | !based on debian |
| 01:16.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:16.32 | themill | *sigh* That doesn't make Ubuntu on-topic in #debian and it doesn't make your discussion about end-user support. |
| 01:16.59 | Moopie | ZIPY: And Ubuntu is not free! themill: Yes captain! |
| 01:17.04 | ZIPY | ok ok i surrender :D |
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| 01:21.08 | Moopie | On my archlinux desktop, i have syslinux as bootloader and on my other cumputer with Debian Jessie, syslinux run on too? |
| 01:21.15 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you can create an xorg.conf file if you need custom settings |
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| 01:23.37 | Moopie | no body? |
| 01:24.08 | dvs | Moopie: Most people use GRUB 2 |
| 01:24.15 | max192mb | Xorg -configure failed with "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting" |
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| 01:26.04 | max192mb | jmcnaught, my ancient laptop's built in graphics: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49) |
| 01:26.13 | Moopie | GRUB 2 is too long to starting on my netbook |
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| 01:26.53 | max192mb | jmcnaught, my built in graphics : only 2MB RAM, yes i know it's sad |
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| 01:28.02 | jmcnaught | max192mb: i'm unfamiliar with that card, however the debian wiki suggests trying the "Xorg -configure" from single-user mode if it fails |
| 01:28.06 | Moopie | I see my "problem" tomorow, i go sleeping (3:27 AM in French) |
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| 01:28.40 | max192mb | jmcnaught, that is what i did |
| 01:28.49 | jmcnaught | Moopie: avez vous essayer #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org? |
| 01:28.52 | max192mb | jmcnaught, and it failed! |
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| 01:30.29 | Moopie | jmcnaught: It's the night in France, so the IRC channel is empty! |
| 01:30.50 | emes | how do I go about bumping a package if the maintainer doesn't respond to emails? |
| 01:30.54 | max192mb | apparently, the solution to my problem can be found on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-572588.html |
| 01:31.36 | Moopie | I quit, bye everybody ;) |
| 01:31.58 | max192mb | but guess what? that ubuntuforums page is not available |
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| 01:37.48 | jmcnaught | max192mb: have you tried searching for your laptop's model + "linux" or "xorg" (or "xf86")? sometimes people post everything they needed to get a computer going in linux. there might be a really old page out there with an xorg.conf that works for you |
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| 01:38.47 | max192mb | jmcnaught, thanks for the advice, wil do some searching |
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| 01:44.23 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen you there? |
| 01:44.32 | verysoftoiletppr | after compiling the kernel |
| 01:44.42 | verysoftoiletppr | I just have to install the modules right? |
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| 02:04.35 | emes | any maintainers here? how do I go about bumping a package if the maintainer doesn't respond to emails? |
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| 02:06.03 | themill | emes: which package? |
| 02:06.17 | themill | and is there a bug numer? |
| 02:06.19 | themill | +b |
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| 02:07.16 | ex0a | where do you set the default umask for the directories in /home ? /etc/login.defs doesn't appear to affect that setting, nor does setting permissions on /etc/skel |
| 02:07.50 | dvs | ex0a: login.defs only affect future new users |
| 02:08.15 | ex0a | dvs: i just tested with a new user and it doesn't affect the /home/user dir |
| 02:08.21 | ex0a | just the directories and files inside that dir |
| 02:08.30 | ex0a | i want to o-rx the /home/user dir |
| 02:09.04 | dvs | ex0a: try ~/.profile |
| 02:09.20 | ex0a | that's not the same thing i'm talking about |
| 02:09.39 | dvs | now I C |
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| 02:16.08 | ex0a | so does anyone know where the default umask for directories in /home is configured at? |
| 02:16.28 | themill | default for what? |
| 02:16.45 | dvs | themill: default permission on the home directory |
| 02:16.51 | dvs | of a user. |
| 02:16.52 | themill | that's different to umas |
| 02:16.53 | themill | k |
| 02:17.08 | verysoftoiletppr | $ sudo mount -t xfs -o noatime /dev/sda1 Downloads |
| 02:17.08 | verysoftoiletppr | mount: unknown filesystem type 'xfs' |
| 02:17.36 | verysoftoiletppr | help |
| 02:17.41 | dvs | themill: Yup, that confused me at first. |
| 02:17.58 | ex0a | themill: well, i'm not sure what the proper terminology would be then, but i want to set the permissions for /home/* to o-rx on adduser |
| 02:18.03 | dvs | i cant remember the name of the script that is run after a new user is createdd |
| 02:18.11 | ex0a | well, technically not /home/* but you get the idea |
| 02:18.34 | themill | ex0a: /etc/adduser.conf (but there's not really much to be achieved by doing that.) |
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| 02:19.10 | ex0a | ty, and why not? |
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| 02:22.33 | ex0a | i find it handy to have it set to 750 instead of 755 especially because i o-r /home so that users can't see other installed users as easily, and combined with grsec which limits ps aux output etc, it makes things more difficult for someone probing for information on the box imo |
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| 02:27.13 | agora | if i want the debian installer to install non-free firmware do i just throw the tarball in the same directory? |
| 02:27.35 | dvs | agora: You could. Or.... |
| 02:27.38 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 02:27.38 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 02:28.40 | agora | dvs well i only need one package |
| 02:28.47 | agora | dvs so i'll probably just do that |
| 02:28.50 | jmcnaught | agora: i think the tarball needs to be extracted. or just use the firmware iso |
| 02:29.29 | agora | jmcnaught i could extract it and keep a copy of the tarball just in case :P |
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| 02:31.23 | jmcnaught | there is also the option of using an ethernet cable for the install, and installing the firmware after the first boot |
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| 02:53.28 | owen1 | After setting up raid1+lvm, I boot my debian and see a warm and welcoming message: 'GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: file not found. entering rescue mode...' I type 'ls' and see hd0,msdos5 and hd0,msdos1 and tried ls (hd0,msdos5)/ and ls (hd0,msdos1)/ but i get 'error: unknown filesystem'. an |
| 02:53.29 | owen1 | y ideas? |
| 02:55.02 | dvs | that looks REALLY funny. The format is usually (hd0,1) and (hd0,5) |
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| 02:57.57 | jmcnaught | owen1: did you add raid+lvm to an existing system, or did you set it up during the installation? |
| 02:59.31 | jmcnaught | owen1: my guess is that an old GRUB on one of your drive's is what's booting up, and that GRUB is looking for partitions that aren't there anymore |
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| 03:04.36 | owen1 | jmcnaught: i had 2 old drives and 2 new drives. before setting up the raid i formatted the 2 old to ext4. 2 screenshots i took: http://i.imgur.com/dgMElzP.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/BSol8qC.jpg |
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| 03:05.01 | owen1 | i set up the raid1 to be on the new drives, btw |
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| 03:06.54 | jmcnaught | owen1: the GRUB from your previous linux installation could still be on the MBR of one of your drives |
| 03:08.06 | owen1 | jmcnaught: interesting. how do i remove it? |
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| 03:10.52 | jmcnaught | i'm not sure. do you remember if the debian installer asked you to choose where to install GRUB? you could try changing the boot order in your BIOS |
| 03:13.13 | jmcnaught | GRUB has always just worked for me. but based on the error you pasted above that's my guess as to what's happening. even if changing the boot order fixes the problem it might still be a good idea to track down and remove that rogue GRUB install |
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| 03:13.36 | owen1 | i remember a question about the grub, i think i just said: yes |
| 03:13.52 | owen1 | jmcnaught: let me boot it and try to open the bios |
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| 03:16.44 | owen1 | jmcnaught: what do u mean 'track down' should i run the installer again? i am ok to do it the 'right way' |
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| 03:18.24 | jmcnaught | owen1: i would read up on GRUB. there's probably a set of tools that lets you find and remove GRUB installed to the master boot record of disks |
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| 03:19.06 | jmcnaught | hopefully simply chaning the boot order will work for now though |
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| 03:24.00 | owen1 | so even formatting the hardrives didn't remove grub? |
| 03:24.07 | owen1 | i'll look into the bios |
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| 03:26.48 | jmcnaught | owen1: the MBR is outside of the partitions. it's a special part of the drive that holds partition info and boot loaders (like GRUB) |
| 03:26.50 | owen1 | i don't know how to access the bios. i see 'boot failed, continue to look for boot media' |
| 03:27.17 | owen1 | 'wait for input' |
| 03:27.37 | owen1 | exiting HP PXE ROM |
| 03:28.00 | owen1 | HP UNDI PXE-2.1 v14.0.8 |
| 03:28.10 | owen1 | HDCP... |
| 03:28.13 | owen1 | DHCP |
| 03:28.32 | owen1 | so i can boot |
| 03:28.36 | owen1 | i mean can't |
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| 03:29.10 | jmcnaught | owen1: so the computer can't find anything to boot. you probably need to tell it what drive to boot from in the bios |
| 03:30.21 | owen1 | jmcnaught: ok. i'll google for 'what key to enter to bios' hp microserver |
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| 03:30.58 | cristiancv | hello from weeks'm trying to configure a mail server with these features support imap or pop3 tls, I'm using dovecot 2.1.7 and postfix 2.9.6 |
| 03:30.58 | cristiancv | the problem is that i can see my mails from mailbox, i want to set this path for mails: |
| 03:30.58 | cristiancv | /home/vmail/domain/users |
| 03:30.58 | cristiancv | please somebody expert in this topic, helpme! |
| 03:30.58 | cristiancv | this are my "postconf -n" settings: http://paste.debian.net/20528/ please help me. i can't read my emails, im using postfix 2.9.6 and dovecot 2.9.6 with STARTTLS support |
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| 03:31.55 | cristiancv | hello please help me |
| 03:31.56 | cristiancv | hello from weeks'm trying to configure a mail server with these features support imap or pop3 tls, I'm using dovecot 2.1.7 and postfix 2.9.6 |
| 03:31.57 | cristiancv | the problem is that i can see my mails from mailbox, i want to set this path for mails: |
| 03:31.57 | cristiancv | /home/vmail/domain/users |
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| 03:32.19 | vectr0n | wb lol |
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| 03:32.44 | cristiancv | i need some help, and i dont want to type word by word |
| 03:32.56 | emes | themill: so I should file a bug? |
| 03:33.32 | jmcnaught | owen1: the HP support site probably has a user manual as a PDF that would be well worth having |
| 03:33.41 | themill | emes: well that's how we normally track problems with packages ... what's the problem? |
| 03:34.17 | emes | themill: I want it bumped, it's a few years old |
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| 03:34.26 | cristiancv | im testing a mail server with dovecot 2.1.7 and postfix 2.9.6 with TLS support, the problem is that the mails are delivered to nowhere, i paste my "doveconf -n" in |
| 03:34.27 | cristiancv | http://paste.debian.net/20544/ |
| 03:34.31 | themill | emes: which package |
| 03:34.47 | emes | themill: clp and related coinor- packages |
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| 03:35.53 | owen1 | jmcnaught: in the bios, just like u said, i see my 4 drives. #2 and #3 are the raid. should i move them to #1 and #2 ? |
| 03:36.35 | jmcnaught | owen1: that would depend on where the debian installer placed GRUB, but it's worth a try |
| 03:36.43 | owen1 | jmcnaught: ok |
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| 03:37.41 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: mail_spool_directory needs a trailing / for Maildir. http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mail_spool_directory |
| 03:38.00 | owen1 | jmcnaught: looks good so far! |
| 03:38.10 | themill | emes: You could send an email to 669371@bugs.debian.org with a quick poke. An offer of help is more likely to result in something happening. |
| 03:38.38 | owen1 | i just logged in. how do i know that i got my raid/lvm all setup and working? |
| 03:38.47 | themill | emes: ahh... the maintainer has actually requested that someone else take over the package. |
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| 03:39.29 | cristiancv | do you refer in maillocation=maildir:Maildir/ |
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| 03:40.42 | themill | emes: unless someone volunteers to do so, nothing is likely to happen at all. Are you interested in taking it over? |
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| 03:41.59 | cristiancv | jmcnaught: please explainme what is the correct setting? |
| 03:42.32 | jmcnaught | owen1: so it booted? sweet! "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" for info about RAID. "vgdisplay" for info about the LVM volume group (there are other LVM commands you'll find too) |
| 03:43.32 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: hmmm.. i can probably help you troubleshoot it for a bit but I've never used that setting myself. i was just looking into the "%d/%n" substitution stuff you have at the end of that line |
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| 03:48.42 | cristiancv | the correct set is like this vmail/%d/%n/ |
| 03:49.00 | cristiancv | is that what do you talking about? |
| 03:50.38 | owen1 | jmcnaught: i see /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 and both are active. RaidDevice shows 0 for one of them and 1 for the other |
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| 03:51.41 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: well it looks like you're using %d and %n as place-holders that will be subsituted for real values which i'm reading up on right now. but what I meant earlier is that you need a '/' at the end of the path set in mail_spool_directory when using it with Maildirs |
| 03:51.41 | owen1 | so i guess it's good. vgdisplay shows vg1, format lvm2. side 229GB |
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| 03:54.20 | cristiancv | thanks i fix that line, im going to check |
| 03:55.31 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: actually i think you can't use %d and %n in the postfix configuration.. i think maybe they're used in dovecot for where to find the maildir, but not in postfix |
| 03:57.57 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: do you even need the mail_spool_directory directive? i thought that the virtual_mailbox_base (line 34 of your main.cf) and the virtual_mailbox_maps file (pointed to at line 36) would be enough. then again i'm not exactly a postfix genius |
| 03:58.04 | cristiancv | maybe, the problem is in dovecot, but i can't find the problem |
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| 03:58.25 | cristiancv | thanks <jmcnaught> |
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| 04:00.37 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: however i'm pretty sure that postfix doesn't understand "%d/%n" at the end of line 10 of your main.cf. i don't think that kind of substitution can be used in postfix config files |
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| 04:04.32 | cristiancv | jmcnaught: maybe i can see a little thing causing the error, thanks for you time |
| 04:04.54 | jmcnaught | cristiancv: best of luck |
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| 04:09.05 | sonofzeus | Hey there |
| 04:10.01 | sonofzeus | How to install Firefox on debian ? I know this gets asked a lot but I need a working answer. |
| 04:10.44 | themill | sonofzeus: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 04:11.00 | sonofzeus | hehe I need pure firefox |
| 04:11.09 | themill | really... |
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| 04:11.25 | themill | !iceweasel vs firefox |
| 04:11.25 | dpkg | When you say a website doesn't work with iceweasel but does with firefox, are you actually comparing the same versions of the two browsers? The version of the browser makes much more difference than the icon it displays or even the user agent. To get a newer iceweasel, ask me about <iceweasel backports>. See also <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <stable>. |
| 04:11.59 | sonofzeus | I don't want a debate it would be nice if you could lemme know how to install firefox? |
| 04:12.21 | emes | themill: where is it mentioned that the maintainer requested someone else to take over the package? |
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| 04:12.34 | jmcnaught | sonofzeus: iceweasel is firefox rebranded. they're the same |
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| 04:12.39 | themill | sonofzeus: I've already told you. If you'd rather an orange logo than a blue one, put on your sunglasses. |
| 04:13.09 | themill | ,bug 645081 |
| 04:13.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/645081 in wnpp (open): «O: clp -- coin-or linear programming solver»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-10-12; last modified: 2013-03-21. |
| 04:13.11 | themill | emes: ^^ |
| 04:13.20 | sonofzeus | ah kay |
| 04:13.42 | jmcnaught | sonofzeus: or you could follow the instructions on the mozilla site for downloading and installing firefox, but it won't be integrated quite as well |
| 04:13.45 | sonofzeus | But I still need Firefox with the orange branding :_) |
| 04:14.03 | themill | sonofzeus: then ask mozilla for support. |
| 04:14.10 | sonofzeus | Okay sorry |
| 04:14.24 | sonofzeus | Can I get Chrome working on debian? |
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| 04:16.15 | jmcnaught | sonofzeus: chromium is in the debian repositories. if you want chrome, you'll need to get it directly from google (and it won't be supported here) |
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| 04:21.00 | ectospasm | I have a very minor issue: ever since I installed a transparent proxy on my router, the first attempt to download the bug reports file fails ("E: HTTP GET failed"). But it always succeeds when I try again. Since the mirror is on the same hard drive, I wouldn't think it's the proxy getting in the way |
| 04:21.17 | ectospasm | like I said, a very minor issue. I just need a pointer to where I should look. |
| 04:21.48 | themill | transparent proxies are a nightmare. Could it be a timeout because bugs.d.o is slow? |
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| 04:24.45 | joseep | Hi |
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| 04:26.25 | ectospasm | themill: possibly |
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| 04:27.16 | ectospasm | I liked squid + squidGuard since it was relatively simple to set up. |
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| 04:28.40 | joseep | someone active? |
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| 04:30.07 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 04:30.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:31.52 | joseep | what you think about debian 7? |
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| 04:32.33 | themill | best release ever. (what did you expect us to say?) |
| 04:33.33 | joseep | just asking |
| 04:34.24 | jmcnaught | joseep: this is more of a support channel. why don't you give debian a try? if you run into problems, we'll be here to help :) |
| 04:35.55 | joseep | i'm a debian user, i'm new with IRC channels, sorry if i bother you |
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| 04:37.23 | jmcnaught | joseep: not a big deal it's just sometimes the channel gets crowded with discussion and it's difficult to follow. there are other channels like #debian-offtopic that are more social |
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| 05:03.32 | JyZyXEL | how come both the pm-suspend and pm-hibernate work by themselves but pm-suspend-hybrid fails to resume and just gives a black screen? |
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| 05:35.07 | JyZyXEL | hmm interesting, wikipedia claims hybrid sleep needs kernel 3.6, yet it is offered in wheezy with kernel 3.2 |
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| 05:35.29 | spacebison | back patch! |
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| 05:37.15 | JyZyXEL | well it must not be working then or something |
| 05:37.17 | themill | JyZyXEL: hybrid sleep has been available since early 2.6-series kernels with the appropriate out-of-tree patch. |
| 05:37.31 | react0r | Hi |
| 05:37.32 | react0r | How I set irq smp affinity to use all cores ? |
| 05:37.53 | JyZyXEL | "A hybrid mode is supported by some portable Apple Macintosh computers,[1] compatible hardware running Windows Vista and 7,8, and Linux distros running kernel 3.6 or later." |
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| 05:39.31 | themill | JyZyXEL: you might like to look at the pm-is-supported(1) and pm-suspend-hybrid(8) |
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| 05:41.00 | JyZyXEL | themill: 0 exit code for all the states |
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| 05:41.36 | JyZyXEL | guess i could try some of the quirks |
| 05:42.14 | react0r | anyone ?? |
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| 05:55.56 | Elw3 | greetings, i would like to add an entry for an own filename extension. i already played with the xdg command stuff but the result was well i dont understand it at all. has someone some tips for me? |
| 05:58.33 | ectospasm | I'm trying to change the color of the chromium systray icon. I'm using Debian Sid with chromium 28.0.1500.71-2. No matter what chromium(-browser).{png,svg} file I desaturate, the systray icon is blue. The XFCE menu icon reflects my changes. I've even tried downloading the source, changing chromium.svg, and recompiling... that didn't work |
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| 05:59.17 | ectospasm | I must say that chromium is rather huge when compiling from source. I don't remember the kernel, X Windows, OpenOffice, or KDE being so large |
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| 06:12.30 | JohnnyL | how do I get debian to work with sendmail. php wordpress is trying to mail out but nothing ever gets there. |
| 06:13.00 | themill | please tell me you don't actually mean sendmail. |
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| 06:13.45 | JohnnyL | mail.info reports google.com (gmail) is refusing. |
| 06:13.49 | JohnnyL | yes sendmail. |
| 06:14.32 | jelly-home | blames confusing php docs that say "sendmail" where they mean "/usr/lib/sendmail compatible API" |
| 06:14.52 | JohnnyL | mabye my isp provider refuses that port? |
| 06:15.03 | JohnnyL | i'm not donig this from a host provider but through a cable service. |
| 06:15.13 | themill | I'd recommend just about any MTA other than sendmail. Debian's default of exim4 is a fine choice. You should be delivering to your ISPs smart host if possible. |
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| 06:15.35 | JohnnyL | i got errors in the lgs with exim. so i uninstalled it. |
| 06:15.39 | JohnnyL | logs |
| 06:15.50 | themill | well you've got errors with sendmail too |
| 06:16.02 | jelly-home | time to uninstall some more? |
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| 06:18.49 | JohnnyL | linux is free, if your time is worthless. |
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| 06:20.17 | themill | Defaults are normally carefully chosen for a reason. |
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| 06:23.46 | ectospasm | unless you're on sid (or experimental [shudder]) |
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| 06:25.19 | JohnnyL | http://pastie.org/8192527 |
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| 06:26.28 | digdilem | JohnnyL, this may be useful http://www.phinesolutions.com/sendmail-gmail-smtp-relay-howto.html |
| 06:26.41 | peterrooney | JohnnyL: Windows is $120, if your time is worthless. |
| 06:26.43 | digdilem | it's probably a tls issue |
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| 06:27.29 | digdilem | but imo, just run exim as a full mail server and don't relay. |
| 06:27.45 | JohnnyL | Windows is for people who like to remote watch how any potatoe chips falls on your beard through the laptop cam. |
| 06:28.03 | JohnnyL | i have a seperate firewall machine. |
| 06:28.12 | digdilem | so? |
| 06:28.13 | JohnnyL | but gmail is oviously refusing it. |
| 06:28.13 | peterrooney | dpkg: connection refused |
| 06:28.14 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 06:28.35 | themill | If you're on a home service with dynamic IP, don't expect an MTA to accept your mail. |
| 06:28.47 | digdilem | dyndns |
| 06:28.48 | JohnnyL | themill: ah brilliant. |
| 06:28.52 | JohnnyL | thats what I thought. |
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| 06:29.06 | digdilem | oh, isw themill means. yeah, you're not trustworthy. |
| 06:29.07 | JohnnyL | I had mentioned that in #linux. but they are too busy eating toe cheese. |
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| 06:29.48 | themill | JohnnyL: either use your ISPs smarthost or gmail:587 and authenticate yourself. |
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| 06:30.02 | JohnnyL | themill: thanks your definitely far above the rest of these guys. |
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| 06:30.47 | digdilem | wow, honest attempts to help rejected. |
| 06:30.48 | JohnnyL | themill: what's a smarthost and how do I authenticate myself? |
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| 06:32.23 | aristoteles | hi debian ppl. i was trying to move from i386 to amd64. i was running multiarch for a while but now i want to get rid of i386. i noticed that dpkg --print-architecture said i386 whereas arch said x86_64 (when i'm booted into the 64 bit kernel). since i had multiarch, i figured i just needed to say 'apt-get install dpkg:amd64' in order to dpkg to go ahead and remove architecture i386. however, somehow i ended up uninstalling dpkg! |
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| 06:33.38 | Elw3 | "however, somehow i ended up uninstalling dpkg" wo0t? |
| 06:34.20 | jelly-home | aristoteles: yeah, switching architectures is not supported (yet) |
| 06:34.34 | aristoteles | Elw3, that's helpful! |
| 06:34.41 | aristoteles | jelly-home, so is that. |
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| 06:35.01 | Elw3 | he sorry that sounded extremely funny |
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| 06:35.28 | aristoteles | Elw3, in fact i could have been more specific, 'apt-get install dpkg:amd64' removed dpkg. |
| 06:35.49 | aristoteles | so i'm wondering if i can download and install a binary of dpkg without dpkg... |
| 06:35.51 | JohnnyL | yeah it's brilliant that apt-get forces you to uninstall fgodamned gnome because you want to uninstall php5. |
| 06:36.14 | JohnnyL | aristoteles: yes,you can. |
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| 06:36.23 | JohnnyL | oh wait, dpkg? |
| 06:36.25 | themill | JohnnyL: You'll get more help if you ask questions rather than have a little rant |
| 06:36.26 | JohnnyL | hm. |
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| 06:36.32 | dolphin-man | hello |
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| 06:36.53 | dolphin-man | I use Ubuntu |
| 06:36.54 | Elw3 | i think you can use an other debian and give dpkg the place t install to |
| 06:36.56 | dolphin-man | am i welcome here |
| 06:37.01 | JohnnyL | themill: i gave up when you refused to answer mine. |
| 06:37.01 | themill | aristoteles: Does "aptitude download dpkg" work? failing that, you can download it form packages.debian.org |
| 06:37.35 | themill | JohnnyL: umm... when did I refuse anything? |
| 06:37.36 | jelly-home | aristoteles: after that, you can unpack the contents of dpkg_*.deb with ar and tar |
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| 06:37.49 | aristoteles | the mill, that's a good idea. elw3, also a good idea, i could boot into a debian usbstick and mount the hard drive and see if i can install some stuff that way. |
| 06:38.51 | themill | yeah, doing this from a recovery cd might be easier. debian live or grml make good choices |
| 06:38.57 | aristoteles | themillo, indeed aptitude download dpkg fetched the package. i'm not sure where it put it though. |
| 06:39.09 | themill | in your current directory |
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| 06:39.21 | aristoteles | indeed, its there |
| 06:39.52 | JohnnyL | themill: okay, here is a question: What is your take on balls of yarn? |
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| 06:40.05 | aristoteles | (looks like it fetched the i386 version). ok, normally i would now install a .deb with dpkg. instead i'm just going to use tar? |
| 06:40.18 | themill | aristoteles: btw did any other packages get installed in that apt-get run that that removed dpkg? |
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| 06:41.47 | aristoteles | themill, it seems not. it seems it's first step was to remove itself and it could do no more work ... |
| 06:42.14 | dolphin-man | hi aristoteles |
| 06:42.21 | aristoteles | hi dolphin-man |
| 06:42.29 | themill | aristoteles: ok, so "ar x dpkg*deb" will extract the data.tar.gz member |
| 06:42.30 | dolphin-man | do u have a fav genre of music |
| 06:42.49 | aristoteles | dolphin-man, that seems off topic for me right now, sorry. |
| 06:42.52 | vectr0n | aristoteles: ignore dolphin-man |
| 06:42.56 | aristoteles | themill: i'm going to try that now. |
| 06:43.11 | themill | dolphin-man: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
| 06:43.43 | dolphin-man | man you know what's weird |
| 06:43.53 | dolphin-man | earlier in the day i had this weird feeling like i had to take a big shit |
| 06:43.59 | aristoteles | ok 'ar x dpkg*deb' ran and returned without error, but i'm not sure what it did... |
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| 06:44.01 | dolphin-man | but a few hours later the feeling went away |
| 06:44.02 | JohnnyL | aristoteles: we are getting bored of people who face west and rock back and forth towards man pages. |
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| 06:44.23 | vectr0n | same thing just happened in #freenode w/ dolphin-man |
| 06:44.25 | aristoteles | JohnnyL i have no idea what you mean by that. |
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| 06:44.42 | themill | JohnnyL: let me know when you want to get back on-topic and get some help... |
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| 06:45.40 | themill | aristoteles: so that's just extracted the internals of the archive in your current directory. There should be a data.tar.gz there that you will need to extract. |
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| 06:46.13 | aristoteles | ok, man ar says 'ar x' extract files from an archive. does that mean that i should have run with sudo and the files are extracted to the proper spots in /usr/bin, /usr/lib etc? |
| 06:46.44 | aristoteles | i looks like i could have run with v to see the files. unfortunately, i'm in a directory with a lot of extra stuff lying around so it's not obvious what got generated. |
| 06:46.57 | themill | no, a .deb archive is actually a collection of sub-archives -- one is data.tar.gz, another is control.tar.gz |
| 06:47.21 | aristoteles | oh, i see now that file (just as you told me) |
| 06:47.54 | aristoteles | so see in that tar file that the paths are local ./usr ./var etc. so i guess i extract then copy to / |
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| 06:48.05 | aristoteles | im going to wait for your instructions though... |
| 06:48.07 | themill | yes |
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| 06:49.10 | Elw3 | should work to copy the file to / and extract it there i think |
| 06:49.25 | aristoteles | so, mkdir foo; mv data.tar.gz foo; cd foo; tar xvzf data.tar.gz; sudo cp -r * /; |
| 06:49.34 | aristoteles | Elw3, that sounds slightly easier. |
| 06:49.59 | Elw3 | a bit |
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| 06:51.08 | Elw3 | but first check if that works, not that it for example overides a dir instead to write in |
| 06:51.09 | aristoteles | hey it looks like that worked! thanks you guys. not only did i think i was screwed and it seems i'm not, also i learned quite a bit about what's inside a .deb i really appreciate the education. |
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| 06:51.47 | themill | aristoteles: you should now use that dpkg to install the .deb for it that you downloaded (dpkg -i dpkg*deb) |
| 06:51.59 | aristoteles | themill, really, ok, i can do that. |
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| 06:52.44 | themill | That way dpkg will think that the package is installed and it can then get upgraded later by apt etc. It will also run any maintainer scripts it has if it has any. |
| 06:52.59 | themill | (which it does) |
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| 06:54.16 | blz37 | "apt-get upgrade" is stuck at "Setting up apt (0.9.9.4) .... \n Installing a new version of config file /etc/kernel/postinst.d/..." for a long time now |
| 06:54.18 | themill | aristoteles: btw you can see "man 5 deb" or "/msg dpkg deb" for more info on the file format if you are curious :) |
| 06:54.18 | Elw3 | wait, before that you could try the command that removed it again |
| 06:54.38 | blz37 | should I continue to wait ? This is on sid. |
| 06:54.58 | aristoteles | Elw3, i kinda want to. actually i have to step away from this for 30 mins or so. i really appreciate you guys. |
| 06:55.16 | Elw3 | blz37 how long stuck? |
| 06:55.53 | themill | aristoteles: I recall seeing a description of how to go about changing arch from i386 to amd64 on planet.debian.org a few months ago. It's a pretty icky process btw. |
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| 06:56.40 | blz37 | Elw3, over one hour. |
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| 06:57.14 | blz37 | .../apt-auto-removal" |
| 06:57.38 | Elw3 | hmhm my upgrade took two |
| 06:57.40 | blz37 | config file /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal.... |
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| 06:57.55 | Elw3 | but i saw it working |
| 06:58.31 | blz37 | ok. I will continue to wait. |
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| 06:59.47 | themill | blz37: do you have any files like /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels |
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| 07:01.00 | blz37 | checking |
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| 07:01.39 | blz37 | themill, I do have it. |
| 07:02.01 | blz37 | with one section "NeverAutoRemove" |
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| 07:02.21 | themill | can you pastebin that file and if there is a similar file with .dpkg-new too? |
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| 07:02.59 | blz37 | I don't see any .dpkg-new in the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d. |
| 07:04.39 | themill | but the hook script /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal is still running? |
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| 07:05.10 | blz37 | themill, http://pastebin.com/9ugVNK9X |
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| 07:09.10 | blz37 | themill, yes, it is still running. |
| 07:09.44 | themill | blz37: does "ps axf" show that it's running a sub-command? I'm curious to know where it's up to |
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| 07:12.25 | blz37 | themill, http://pastebin.com/LC57kuHN |
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| 07:13.12 | themill | ahh... so it's not running that particular hook script any more. |
| 07:13.29 | blz37 | good thing ? |
| 07:13.51 | themill | well... gpgv being in a D state doesn't sound like a good thing to me. |
| 07:13.58 | blz37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.06 | blz37 | got that message now. |
| 07:14.25 | themill | Is this a particularly low-powered machine? or do you have lots of other IO going on at the same time? |
| 07:15.18 | blz37 | themill, this is phenom II and 300 watt power supply. |
| 07:15.36 | blz37 | I didn't even use browser until I have to do the pastebin. |
| 07:16.10 | blz37 | before this week, it went into kernel panic if I have a lot of tabs open in the browser. |
| 07:16.16 | themill | ah |
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| 07:16.58 | themill | I'd be looking carefully at filesystem, memory and harddisk at this stage. |
| 07:17.07 | blz37 | I think it all started after I accidentally open a pdf with questionable source while I was in root mode using okular. |
| 07:17.33 | blz37 | never had this kind of kernel panic before. |
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| 07:18.02 | blz37 | what is the best way to look at the filesystem, memory and harddisk ? |
| 07:18.37 | Elw3 | iotop, top |
| 07:18.44 | themill | fsck, memtest, smartctl |
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| 07:19.18 | Elw3 | oh i should read sometimes... |
| 07:19.28 | blz37 | seem like I don't have any of those except top and fsck. |
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| 07:23.28 | blz37 | themill, Elw3, will install them after this "apt-get upgrade" is done. |
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| 07:24.32 | themill | it would probably better to run them off a live-cd anyway. |
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| 07:25.06 | blz37 | I have memtest+ installed and is part of the grub options on bootup. |
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| 07:25.46 | blz37 | however, it complains that the memory lower region too small or something like that. |
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| 07:39.14 | jtreminio | Evening all. I'm trying to do a grep on my user's crontab. Unfortunately I can't seem to figure out the proper command: $ cat crontab -l | grep 'foo' |
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| 07:41.42 | drunkez | why cat crontab -l? |
| 07:41.57 | drunkez | just crontab -l |grep bla is enough |
| 07:42.01 | Rix | hi, for three days now i'm trying to figure out why my load average jumps to 10-15 every 5-10-20 mins for 2-3 minutes. no cpu load changes, no io chanes, no network traffic changes.. here is stats: http://pastebin.com/ztzTfFN3 I've also checked every possible log in /var/log and nothing unusual |
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| 07:45.42 | babilen | jtreminio: User crontabs are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$USER |
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| 07:47.24 | jtreminio | thanks drunkez, that worked |
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| 07:48.16 | moty66_ | jtreminio: why do you use cat with crontab, just write crontab -l | grep "*" |
| 07:48.40 | jtreminio | moty66_: yep, drunkez's suggestion worked well |
| 07:48.45 | babilen | jtreminio: What are you *really* trying to do? |
| 07:48.47 | jtreminio | now I'm trying to test if grep returns a result |
| 07:49.01 | jtreminio | babilen: running a puppet provision, don't want to add a cron job if it already exists |
| 07:49.18 | babilen | jtreminio: Then work on the file itself |
| 07:49.29 | drunkez | wow:) you are puppeting box and don`t know how to call crontab properly:) |
| 07:49.39 | drunkez | in these days..there is tools for everything:) |
| 07:49.42 | jtreminio | drunkez: I couldn't get the grep to pipe it :) |
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| 07:56.08 | b0lt | Trying to change the mac on a wheezy machine, I added "hwaddress ether 00:ca:fe:ba:be:00" to /etc/network/interfaces, under the line saying "iface eth0 inet dhcp". the result after a reboot is that ifconfig will show the new mac address, but dhclient simply doesn't work anymore, so the interface receives no ip. why is this? is there another way to change the mac? |
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| 07:56.52 | b0lt | dhclient seems to receive no response and just hangs with no output if the mac is changed |
| 07:57.05 | drunkez | test L2 connectivity |
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| 07:58.12 | drunkez | you don`t need to reboot a system....just restart networking then |
| 08:00.13 | b0lt | how do you suggest i test that? |
| 08:00.25 | armin | hm, i got a box that with "getent passwd username" gives me the entry for that user, but "getent passwd" doesn't contain that one. any hint why so? |
| 08:00.49 | Rix | pf i got disconnected |
| 08:01.06 | drunkez | arping |
| 08:01.09 | Rix | if anyone replied to me i couldn't read it |
| 08:01.40 | drunkez | linkloop |
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| 08:02.55 | jelly-home | armin: the nss module used to fetch info for that user might not have enumeration capabilities (it's not mandatory and can be expensive, eg. with ldap) |
| 08:03.41 | jelly-home | armin: so "getent passwd" might give just the local users from nss_files (that is, from /etc/passwd) |
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| 08:04.47 | jelly-home | armin: see nsswitch.conf(5) man page |
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| 08:06.17 | armin | jelly-home: great, thanks. |
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| 08:07.12 | b0lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.15 | b0lt | ~ |
| 08:07.26 | jelly-home | b0lt: ? |
| 08:07.27 | b0lt | ~ |
| 08:07.39 | b0lt | ~ |
| 08:07.45 | bolt | argh |
| 08:07.47 | rid_ | hey bolt |
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| 08:07.56 | rid_ | :] |
| 08:07.59 | bolt | pasted 100 lines of crap... killed that machine |
| 08:08.08 | bolt | sorry :/ |
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| 08:08.23 | rid_ | :\ |
| 08:08.32 | babilen | bolt: bow your head in shame! (and get us all a nice cappuccino) ;) |
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| 08:09.36 | bolt | hey, at least i was relatively quick to kill it :) but yeah... coffee... |
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| 08:39.10 | deni | what's the deal with the postgresql version: Version: 9.3+142really9.1+146? |
| 08:39.17 | deni | so it's 9.1 but not really :D |
| 08:39.23 | deni | anyone has any info? |
| 08:39.28 | deni | (this is on sid) |
| 08:39.43 | deni | (oops. on testing i mean) |
| 08:40.19 | jelly | deni: debian changelog will tell you what it really is |
| 08:40.37 | jelly | (or, should tell you, I have not taken a look) |
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| 08:41.12 | Dalvini | jerryzhou: dae 603 a finir par quelqu'un dans la mission (Krapo_mob, Ã 10h40) |
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| 08:44.09 | deni | jelly: thanks, but i've looked at it and don't really see an explanation |
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| 08:48.20 | jelly | deni: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:53:49 +0200 |
| 08:49.56 | deni | jelly: and that's what i get for not reading further than the most recent entry. tnx and sorry for the hassle |
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| 09:02.57 | helmut | hi. when booting a sid amd64 system I noticed that a "modprobe --quiet snd-seq" hangs. udev times out the modprobe invocation and continues to boot. the process stays. in ps this process has state "D". has anyone seen a similar behaviour or ideas how I could investigate this without locking up the system? |
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| 09:04.03 | babilen | helmut: You shouldn't call modprobe manually, but add modules you want to load in /etc/modules -- As a sid user you should also seek support in #debian-next |
| 09:04.06 | babilen | bbl |
| 09:04.39 | mjt | nothing's wrong with running modprobe manually |
| 09:04.50 | helmut | it was run by udev. |
| 09:04.57 | mjt | and this wasn't a manual invocation |
| 09:04.58 | mjt | er |
| 09:05.01 | mjt | ;) |
| 09:05.21 | helmut | so the process is still there. any idea? |
| 09:05.23 | Mackwerk | Hello, I'm running debian squeeze and I just realized that if I type in service in the terminal and press tab twice I don't get the normal list of services I'd get on other servers, what could be wrong? :o |
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| 09:05.40 | mjt | helmut: this is a kernel issue |
| 09:05.50 | helmut | Mackwerk: apt-get install bash-completion |
| 09:05.56 | Rix | hi, for three days now i'm trying to figure out why my load average jumps to 10-15 every 5-10-20 mins for 2-3 minutes. no cpu load changes, no io chanes, no network traffic changes.. here is stats: http://pastebin.com/ztzTfFN3 I've also checked every possible log in /var/log and nothing unusual |
| 09:06.07 | Mackwerk | helmut, it's already install |
| 09:06.08 | Mackwerk | ed |
| 09:06.34 | helmut | mjt: possibly. runing vanillla 3.9.5. but the issue only surfaced after upgrading initscripts |
| 09:06.51 | helmut | mjt: and udev and more, but it worked before with the same kernel. |
| 09:07.03 | blahblahblah | hi, i would like the default webpage for localhost to point to a virtual directory instead of the "it Works!" one. how do i do that? i created a "localhost" file in sites-enabled and sites-available liek i would with other pages but this didnt work for me. any advice would be very much appreciated. |
| 09:07.16 | helmut | Mackwerk: ok. is it enabled for root? you might need to explicitly source it in your .bashrc |
| 09:07.19 | mjt | helmut: so it might be a timing issue, but still kernel |
| 09:07.49 | helmut | mjt: can you propose material explaining the background? |
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| 09:07.56 | mjt | helmut: modprobe does a very simple thing, it merely hands a piece of code to kernel, it should never hang there. |
| 09:07.59 | Rix | also a picture of graph - http://s23.postimg.org/lpffnjcaz/loadavg.png - other graphs are all normal during the spikes |
| 09:08.21 | blahblahblah | im using debian wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:08.33 | Mackwerk | helmut, I haven't had to do that on my other servers :o How do I do that though? |
| 09:08.56 | blahblahblah | Apache Version: 2.2.22-13 |
| 09:09.08 | mjt | helmut: you can do a backtrace (echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger), find the hung modprobe in dmesg (/var/log/kern.log) and ask kernel guys about this backtrace. But better yet, first try to verify how persistent this problem is (will it occur again at next reboot) and whenever it happens with next kernel too |
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| 09:09.37 | helmut | Mackwerk: google enable "bash-completion" should give you tons of hits |
| 09:09.38 | mjt | (next kernel = 3.10) |
| 09:10.00 | mjt | heh |
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| 09:10.46 | blahblahblah | anyone able to help ? |
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| 09:10.59 | Mackwerk | helmut, hmm it's still not working, for example if I type service postgre and press tab it should find postgresql but it doesn't :o |
| 09:12.05 | Mackwerk | But I can do serv and then press tab just fine |
| 09:12.34 | mjt | relogin? :) |
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| 09:13.49 | Mackwerk | mjt, ah thanks I'm a retard :p |
| 09:14.07 | helmut | mjt: thanks! 1) I tried the sysrq. interestingly neither "modprobe" nor the pid of the hanging modprobe show up in kern.log. 2) the problem has been reproducible at least 3 boots in a row, but I don't boot that often. 3) I will probably upgrade the kernel as a next measure. |
| 09:14.46 | mjt | helmut: modprobe must be there if it is still shown in ps. if it's not, your syslogd is too slow :) |
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| 09:15.54 | helmut | mjt: likely rsyslog is too slow here. the start of the backtrace appears truncated |
| 09:16.01 | b0lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.01 | b0lt | 11:07:58 < Rix> also a picture of graph - http://s23.postimg.org/lpffnjcaz/loadavg.png - other graphs are all normal during the spikes |
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| 09:16.07 | b0lt | 11:08:20 < blahblahb> im using debian wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:16.10 | b0lt | 11:08:32 < Mackwerk> helmut, I haven't had to do that on my other servers :o How do I do that though? |
| 09:16.13 | b0lt | 11:08:55 < blahblahb> Apache Version: 2.2.22-13 |
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| 09:18.33 | SineTheCreator | hi all... question. is 'sid' the current unstable? |
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| 09:20.29 | helmut | SineTheCreator: unstable is always an alias for sid |
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| 09:23.09 | SineTheCreator | helmut: ok, thank you. |
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| 09:24.32 | jargon | SineTheCreator: a good way to remember it is that 'Sid' in Hungarian means 'unstable' |
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| 09:24.54 | Dalvini | [olli]: cherchez pas la dae 603 est morte (Nano, Ã 10h42) |
| 09:24.54 | Dalvini | [olli]: dae 603 a finir par quelqu'un dans la mission (Krapo_mob, Ã 10h40) |
| 09:24.54 | Dalvini | [olli]: cherchez pas la dae 603 est morte (Nano, Ã 10h42) |
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| 09:25.20 | [olli] | Dalvini, plese use english. |
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| 09:33.01 | voxadam | Why is it every time I have to mount a Windows/CIFS share I end up getting nothing but permission denied errors? I know that my /users/ is shared, I checked using smbclient. My head hurts. |
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| 09:36.51 | ChrisH | voxadam: Di you mount on Linux _from_ Samba or native Windows? |
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| 09:38.13 | voxadam | ChrisH: I'm not sure I understand your question. I'm mounting from the command line "mount -t cifs //DROGON/Users /mnt -o username=adam" while logged in as root. |
| 09:38.40 | ChrisH | voxadam: what is DROGON ? Linux or Windows? |
| 09:38.46 | voxadam | Windows |
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| 09:40.11 | ChrisH | voxadam: Well, if you get a permission denied (this is from the server) you need to check the server logs. As I do not have any deeper clue on Windows I cannot point to any resonable logfile. |
| 09:41.14 | ChrisH | voxadam: the only option on the client side is, /mnt does not exists or is busy. but that should give another error message |
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| 09:43.39 | arafangion | Hey, how do I setup sound in window maker? |
| 09:44.02 | arafangion | For some reason, if I'm in window maker, I get no sound. If I'm in the default wheezy gnome, however, then sound works just fine. |
| 09:44.24 | arafangion | Also, I don't seem to have a /dev/mixer in either environment. |
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| 09:48.08 | mar77i | hmm... I botched the postrm script in my deb. and dpkg doesn't seem to reload it from the new deb |
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| 09:48.55 | arafangion | Bah, why doesn't ctrl+alt+backspace kill my xserver? |
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| 09:49.08 | babilen | arafangion: How do you start windowmaker? |
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| 09:49.36 | arafangion | babilen: I installed it using 'aptitude install wmaker', which then put it in the list of available sessions. |
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| 09:49.45 | arafangion | babilen: Next time I logged in, I selected "window maker". |
| 09:50.19 | babilen | arafangion: Re-run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and enable it. You essentially want "XKBOPTIONS="compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,ctrl:nocaps,lv3:ralt_switch"" in /etc/default/keyboard (well, the "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" bit) |
| 09:50.24 | babilen | arafangion: Which display manager? |
| 09:50.56 | arafangion | babilen: The default one. It appears to be gdmflexiserver. |
| 09:51.14 | arafangion | babilen: (I installed using the 'desktop' tasksel option or equivalent) |
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| 09:52.10 | arafangion | babilen: Thanks for those suggested XKBOPTIONS. :) I already went to the trouble of setting up the capslock one you have there. |
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| 09:54.38 | babilen | arafangion: Hmm, could you then continue investigating your sound setup. Mind running "speaker-test -t wav" ? What is the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? What about "ps aux|grep pulse" ? |
| 09:54.46 | moty66 | where I can find the logs of this channel? |
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| 09:55.09 | arafangion | babilen: Let me try locating a suitable wav file. :) |
| 09:55.23 | babilen | moty66: There are no public logs that I am aware of. People have their own logs and you might find logs on random website, but none of them are official. |
| 09:55.25 | moty66 | for it |
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| 09:55.39 | moty66 | babilen: thanks |
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| 09:56.00 | moty66 | !irclog |
| 09:56.01 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
| 09:56.08 | babilen | arafangion: No, just run that. It comes with its own .wav files that essentially say "Front Left", "Front Right", ... on the respective speaker |
| 09:56.14 | babilen | moty66: yay! |
| 09:56.27 | moty66 | wrong window :| |
| 09:56.37 | arafangion | babilen: Interesting. That works perfectly. |
| 09:56.39 | babilen | moty66: yeah, I stumbled over those a couple of times. |
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| 09:56.49 | arafangion | babilen: Speakers vibrate, at least. (I'm deaf) |
| 09:56.49 | babilen | moty66: I should have known :) |
| 09:57.23 | arafangion | babilen: However, unusually, this time I first started gnome, normally I go straight into windowmaker. |
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| 09:57.35 | arafangion | babilen: That could be another variable? |
| 09:57.46 | babilen | arafangion: Oh, alright. Okay, that means that at least your ALSA setup works. You might, however, use Pulseaudio and the speakers might be muted in there or the wrong output is selected. Please install pavucontrol and run it. |
| 09:58.13 | arafangion | Installing. |
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| 09:59.18 | moty66 | voxadam: cifs mount sometime tells "mount: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
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| 09:59.54 | voxadam | moty66: I'm getting "mount error(13): Permission denied" |
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| 10:00.15 | moty66 | voxadam: my head hurts too, so I switch to nfs and I have no problems |
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| 10:01.01 | uosiu | Hi all, I have a question about grub legacy (package "grub" in debian lenny). I'm trying to avoid upcoming disaster on one server, I've discovered, that /boot is empty except kernel images. How to recover grub stages? |
| 10:01.25 | arafangion | babilen: pavucontrol may be the missing part of my sound issue, thanks. :) |
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| 10:01.35 | arafangion | babilen: (I tried several other applets, but I guess they're incompatible) |
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| 10:03.05 | ChrisH | voxadam: this error is still beeing send from the server side. Check the logs there. |
| 10:03.17 | moty66 | voxadam: do you mount the share using username and password? |
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| 10:04.32 | moty66 | voxadam: mount -t cifs //server/sharename /mnt/dir -o username=shareuser,password=sharepassword,domain=nixcraft |
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| 10:05.27 | babilen | arafangion: Wonderful! Enjoy all the vibrating goodness you can get :) |
| 10:05.55 | arafangion | babilen: I shall! |
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| 10:10.15 | moty66 | how can I remove my nickname from dpkg , try /msg dpkg moty66 !!! grrrrrrrrr |
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| 10:11.03 | moty66 | senseless |
| 10:11.27 | babilen | moty66: done |
| 10:12.09 | moty66 | babilen: thanks |
| 10:12.12 | babilen | np |
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| 10:22.48 | quackgyver | Is there an easy way to set up a script on my Debian server which constantly checks if the contents of a folder has changed, and based on that does a safe shutdown of scripts within the folder and starts them up again including the new changes? |
| 10:22.51 | quackgyver | Anything I should look into? |
| 10:22.55 | quackgyver | Any specific scripting language? |
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| 10:24.17 | ChrisH | quackgyver: depending of the vague "checks if the contents of a folder has changed" its difficult to recommend something. If its simply the existance of a specific file or a trigger word in a file or directory then I would code in bash. |
| 10:24.46 | thomaschaaf | Hello with the help of cifs I am mounting a windows share. In the share I create folders and files. Sometimes other users can't delete the files on the share. Do you have any idea? I am mounting it like this: //10.41.128.60/files/ /mnt cifs domain=Domain1,username=User1,password=Test1! 0 0 |
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| 10:25.14 | thomaschaaf | because they don't have the rights to that folder.. |
| 10:26.08 | koollman | quackgyver: I would use a bit of shell scripting, and incron |
| 10:26.13 | quackgyver | ChrisH: I want to set up a samba server that'll allow me to edit scripts in a specific folder, as well as the contents of a file which - if changed - would cause the above mentioned server side script to safely stop running its current session of the script I've just edited, load the updated version, and then run it. |
| 10:26.40 | quackgyver | I.e. I want my server to run whatever I change in production |
| 10:26.46 | quackgyver | immediately. |
| 10:26.56 | quackgyver | koollman: Thanks. I'll look into that. |
| 10:28.23 | ChrisH | quackgyver: editing the file of the running script can and will lead to unpredictible results like weird script crashes. I strongly discourage such an approach |
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| 10:30.14 | koollman | well, I wouldn't recommend editing the file. but it's a decent base for a deployment system, assuming the modified script has been tested somewhere else before |
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| 10:30.47 | g00se | Box not giving my router its name. Used to be static IP, now configged as dhcp. Router sees dhcp now but no name. Why please? |
| 10:31.22 | moty66 | quackgyver: try to use an intermediate dir between you and production |
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| 10:33.10 | quackgyver | ChrisH: My intention is for the monitoring script to copy the script source before running it from a different folder |
| 10:33.11 | moty66 | quackgyver: you -> tmp dir -> production, and each time you add a script to tmp dir, you stop your script, copy to production and run it again |
| 10:33.18 | quackgyver | moty66: Yeah that's the idea. |
| 10:33.28 | quackgyver | Good to know I'm on the right track. :) |
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| 10:34.04 | moty66 | quackgyver: you can check if the tmp dir is empty or not, that what you need to know |
| 10:34.48 | quackgyver | well, i need the file to remain there since I want to edit it as well as having the ability to trigger the script on command rather than on file change |
| 10:34.59 | quackgyver | maybe it could trigger based on the contents of the first line |
| 10:35.18 | quackgyver | and subsequently remove that line after copying the script :) |
| 10:35.57 | babilen | quackgyver: So, just to clarify: You regularly update a specific set of scripts and want to execute them whenever a new version has been deployed to a box? |
| 10:36.40 | quackgyver | I'll be running a node.js server- or py script which pulls its contents from the single script file that ill be editing |
| 10:37.30 | quackgyver | so i want to be able to just connect to my server via samba and edit the file from whatever system im on, which the server will then copy an run from a different folder based on the value of the first line of the script file |
| 10:37.38 | quackgyver | and* |
| 10:37.51 | babilen | quackgyver: I don't quite understand how a script "pulls its contents" from another script. It might help if you could explain the actual big picture. Maybe something like ansible might come in handy during the deployment? |
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| 10:39.05 | quackgyver | babilen: I don't know either because I haven't decided which technology to base my server on yet, but basically I'll be running a server on Debian with a streaming connection to a remote endpoint, and I want it to perform certain actions based on incoming commands |
| 10:39.19 | quackgyver | so i want to be able to define those actions in a file that i edit via samba |
| 10:39.52 | quackgyver | and have it run in production without my having to ssh into the server to input relevant commands |
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| 10:42.19 | quackgyver | So as an example, I could be running node.js on Debian, and the purpose would be for it to perform actions based on my definitions of how to handle incoming http payload data |
| 10:42.34 | quackgyver | and those definitions would be defined in a file which i'd be editing via samba |
| 10:42.50 | quackgyver | and i'd like for node.js to run the latest version of this file without my having to tell it to do so |
| 10:42.55 | babilen | quackgyver: I think you shouldn't write your own RPC inspired method. Take a look at ansible, salt, puppet and related tools. |
| 10:43.01 | quackgyver | like some kind of automated deployment |
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| 10:43.26 | quackgyver | babilen: Why not? Could you elaborate on your suggestion? |
| 10:44.25 | babilen | quackgyver: I mean there are many tools that can be used for this. Ansible and Salt are the hippest AFAICT, but there are other approaches such as, say, fabric, capistrano and func. All of these are probably better maintained and supported than what you will cook up yourself. |
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| 10:45.33 | jelly | ,v func |
| 10:45.34 | judd | No package named 'func' was found in i386. |
| 10:45.53 | quackgyver | babilen: I'm not following, possibly because of my limited understanding of *nix, but I'm not intending to build anything myself? |
| 10:45.57 | babilen | These tools are also used by other places and learning them will be a valuable skill in itself -- All that on top of a large open source community, distribution support and a tested system that can probably already do more than you'll ever need. |
| 10:46.01 | quackgyver | Which function are you suggesting I use a third party solution for? |
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| 10:47.28 | babilen | quackgyver: I have the impression as if you are in a position to write scripts that monitor certain files. These files (that you change via SAMBA) contain "commands" that will be executed on a remote host. You essentially want to trigger the running of scripts on remote hosts ... All I am saying is that there are better solutions to achieve this "do something on a set of remote hosts" |
| 10:47.42 | babilen | quackgyver: I might have misunderstood what you are trying to do though |
| 10:47.55 | ChrisH | quackgyver: I would write a script that does scp newscipt server:newname ; ssh server "stop application; check if stopped; replace scripts; start application; check if application is running" If using ssh-keys this is pretty nice scripting. The samba approach seems strange to me. |
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| 10:48.26 | cumrun | post |
| 10:48.30 | thalos | Hello people! Meta-Question; I run various webbapps on debian squeeze/tomcat. This weekend the openjdk-6 was updated from 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2 to 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb6u1 (quite a big version jump). This seems to be a disaster. Some of my webapps crashed inside javax.imageio.ImageIO and I did some testing this week and have found more problems. So, my question: Who do I contact about this? Should I talk the the package mainta |
| 10:48.30 | thalos | iner? or go to the openjdk people? How do I find the correct contact persons for a specific package? Thanks in advance :) |
| 10:48.31 | DasEi | I couldn't follow recent debian development and currently do a 7.10 netinstell on a (U)EFI based system, Installation just started from usb-stick, anything I might/should read while proceeding ? Quick glance via net showed me there are packages in debian supporting it, so for now I just keep going or will I run in trouble there ? |
| 10:48.46 | ChrisH | quackgyver: I am busy with a prio1 issue, so i cannot read all stuff at the momenet. sorry |
| 10:48.51 | DasEi | <<desk |
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| 10:49.34 | babilen | My idea is to essentially orchestrate the entire "copy script" "run script" "start/stop service" from a central/main "controller" rather than having the logic on the clients. |
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| 10:50.06 | g00se | Box not giving my router its name. Used to be static IP, now configged as dhcp. Router sees dhcp now but no name. Why please? |
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| 10:50.18 | babilen | This spurred the suggestion to use established solutions such as, say, Ansible (for hipsters) or Fabric (for slightly older Python hipsters) or ... one of the many frameworks related to these tools. |
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| 10:51.20 | g00se | thalos: Not a Debian issue. Your first port of call is the Tomcat log file |
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| 10:52.07 | babilen | g00se: The router should already have /etc/hostname set. If you want to override that via DHCP your dhcp server has to send that information *and* the client has to be configured to accept this (check /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf' "request" stanza and make sure it contains "host-name") |
| 10:52.47 | thalos | g00se: The tomcat log file says: Openjdk has crashed (i.e tomcat crashes) and core dumps. THis did not happen before the openjdk-6 update. So I do believe there is something wrong in the openjdk-6 package |
| 10:53.26 | babilen | thalos: You might need a newer tomcat version, which might mean that you have to upgrade to wheezy earlier than your already existing upgrade plan intended |
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| 10:55.43 | babilen | quackgyver: I mean take a look at http://www.ansibleworks.com/docs/ and http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.6/ -- these two are just examples and there are alternatives, but I have the *feeling* based on what you said that these are better approaches to your problem in the long run. I, naturally, have no idea what you are really doing. |
| 10:55.50 | thalos | babilen: Yeah, tomcat got upgraded too this weekend (although I don't think it happened at the same time).. But still.. I find the whole thing strange. Anyway, I'm upgrading my dev environment to wheezy now to test things out |
| 10:55.59 | g00se | babilen: hostname and hostname -f return correct values |
| 10:56.18 | g00se | thalos: Yes, does sound like a binary problem |
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| 10:58.46 | thalos | Is it ok to paste 5 lines from the log? I think it will paint a better picture |
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| 10:59.01 | g00se | thalos: Are you using headless or not? |
| 10:59.07 | thalos | headless |
| 10:59.15 | babilen | g00se: What exactly is the problem. I have problems understanding "sees dhcp now by no name" .. and I have to get coffee so will be back in a while. |
| 10:59.23 | babilen | thalos: Use http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:59.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell thalos -about nopaste |
| 10:59.40 | babilen | (if you cannot paste directly) |
| 10:59.41 | thalos | :) |
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| 10:59.46 | g00se | babilen: Router doesn't have the name. It's had to 'make one up' |
| 10:59.56 | babilen | which name? |
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| 11:00.06 | g00se | The box's hostname |
| 11:00.08 | babilen | either way, brb |
| 11:00.18 | babilen | g00se: The box's hostname should be in /etc/hostname |
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| 11:00.32 | g00se | It is. But the router doesn't know it |
| 11:00.39 | thalos | Here is an excerpt from catalina.out before the JVM crashes: http://paste.debian.net/20743/ |
| 11:00.40 | xand | you mean in the dhcp request? |
| 11:00.48 | babilen | g00se: The router can't read it's own /etc/hostname ? |
| 11:00.59 | babilen | is getting coffee |
| 11:01.17 | mar77i | *grin*... "Note that this script [postrm] is executed after the preinst script of the new package, because new files are written at the same time old files are removed." |
| 11:01.31 | mar77i | because after removal is the same as after before installing because you wanted to undo all steps you didn't want to undo after you wanted to prepare the system for what it's already prepared... |
| 11:01.46 | g00se | babilen: No - the router is not the host ;) Unknown-00:50:ba:a1:56:3f is what the router names my box. It's actually 'hpbrio' |
| 11:01.59 | babilen | g00se: If you *actually* mean that the router sends a DHCP request that doesn't contain the router's hostname then you have much more to explain than what you said above. Remember that we have no idea what you are doing and can only work with the information you give us. |
| 11:02.43 | g00se | babilen: I'm looking at the hostnames of all boxes IN the router. That's the only box of which my router doesn't have the name |
| 11:03.16 | xand | tcpdump or wireshark to see if the dhcp requests/discovers have the hostname in them or not |
| 11:03.34 | g00se | 'IN the router'==thru the router web interface |
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| 11:04.04 | babilen | g00se: So the router also runs the DHCP server? |
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| 11:04.51 | babilen | g00se: Check your DHCP client configuration on "the box" -- normally DHCP requests contain the hostname of the box that is sending the request. |
| 11:05.11 | mar77i | g00se: that depends on the dhcp client's config. eg dhclient has -H hostname |
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| 11:06.11 | v4nelle | guys i make a script which do " echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile" on /etc/init.d and i enabled it on runlevels 2,3,4,5 by sysv-rc-conf....but it doesnt work....how can i find where is the problem? |
| 11:06.44 | g00se | babilen: Yes. Router is dhcp server |
| 11:07.30 | g00se | Progress: just run dhclient -v and got message ".. suspect value in host_name - discarding" |
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| 11:08.25 | xand | what is your hostname set to? |
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| 11:08.47 | ll_ | hello. |
| 11:08.57 | g00se | 'hpbrio' I'll do a binary dump |
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| 11:09.59 | g00se | goose@hpbrio:/tmp$ xxd /etc/hostname |
| 11:10.01 | g00se | 0000000: 6870 6272 696f 0a hpbrio. |
| 11:10.07 | g00se | Looks OK |
| 11:10.09 | babilen | g00se: I said *multiple* times now that you have to check your DHCP client configuration and /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf in particular. If you want you can paste it to http://paste.debian.net if you want us to take a look at it. |
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| 11:10.41 | xand | g00se: is it definitely reading it from there? strace dhclient to see |
| 11:11.04 | g00se | OK. Let's check the dhcp config |
| 11:11.15 | ll_ | i'm getting fed up with evolution, it's buggy, unstable, slow, and uses lots and lots of memory. can someone recommend a small, fast mail client that is packaged in debian? gui or text-based doesn't matter, but it needs to have good gpg support and preferrably work with the gnome keyring and address book, and it needs to be able to handle very large mail folders (tens or even hundreds of thousands of mails). |
| 11:11.41 | ll_ | it doesn't really need to deal with remote pop or imap accounts, i can use other tools to actually fetch the mail. |
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| 11:12.05 | babilen | xand: It is not reading it from there but typically calls gethostname, but then g00se is not sharing his/her /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ;) |
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| 11:12.39 | g00se | Hang on ;) For some reason it looks as if there are two client packages |
| 11:13.05 | g00se | dhcp3-client and isc-dhcp-client |
| 11:13.31 | xand | dpkg -S `which dhclient` |
| 11:13.31 | dpkg | There is no record of a `which dhclient` package |
| 11:13.35 | xand | dpkg: no. |
| 11:13.35 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
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| 11:17.34 | g00se | /sbin/dhclient is being provided by isc-dhcp-client by the looks |
| 11:17.39 | ll_ | is icedove any smaller (memory-wise) than evolution, assuming that i already have iceweasel running? |
| 11:18.45 | g00se | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5932433/ |
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| 11:19.19 | g00se | Sorry about the domain name ;) |
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| 11:19.47 | xand | g00se: so does "hostname" command return the right thing? |
| 11:19.47 | babilen | g00se: Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l isc-dhcp-client|tail -n1" please ? |
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| 11:20.45 | babilen | g00se: Also include that of "debsums isc-dhcp-client" (you might have to install that first) |
| 11:20.54 | tremon | I wouldn't say icedove handles large mail folders fine. I'd be looking at things like lumail, mutt+notmuch etc. They're not the easiest to learn though, and lumail doesn't handle gpg yet |
| 11:20.58 | g00se | ii isc-dhcp-client 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 ISC DHCP client |
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| 11:21.19 | win5hit | hi there, where can i get a "nss" package? i've done a search with 'apt-file search nss' and 'apt-cache search nss' but it gave me thousands of results... |
| 11:21.40 | ll_ | tremon: i don't mind a learning curve as long as the software works well. |
| 11:21.43 | babilen | g00se: Ah, you are still running squeeze? You should really upgrade to wheezy. |
| 11:21.57 | xand | win5hit: what is nss? |
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| 11:22.30 | g00se | babilen: Yes perhaps |
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| 11:23.04 | g00se | You still want the debsum? |
| 11:23.27 | win5hit | i don't know exactly... its a requirement for building fencing_agents from source. (got the source via apt-get source fence-agents) |
| 11:23.54 | ll_ | win5hit: nss as in mozilla's crypto libraries? |
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| 11:24.02 | tremon | ll_: well mutt is very mature, notmuch is younger but specifically written to deal with large mail collections |
| 11:24.08 | win5hit | i wan't to modify something within the source of fence-agents and build a custom package. |
| 11:24.13 | g00se | babilen: All ok for debsums |
| 11:24.17 | ll_ | tremon: thank you, i'll have a look at those. |
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| 11:25.05 | babilen | g00se: But as you see "#send host-name "andare.fugue.com";" is commented -- You might want to change that. I'd suggest something like the "send host-name = gethostname();" used in later versions of isc-dhcp-client -- See #151820 which was fixed in version 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5 |
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| 11:25.17 | babilen | judd: bug #151820 |
| 11:25.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/151820 in isc-dhcp-client (closed, d-i, patch): «dhcp3-client: Does not send hostname to server by default»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2002-07-03; last modified: 2012-06-03. |
| 11:25.22 | win5hit | if i try to './configure' i get configure: error: Package requirements (nss) were not met: No package 'nss' found |
| 11:25.22 | tremon | ll_: http://notmuchmail.org/ |
| 11:25.27 | babilen | judd: v isc-dhcp-client |
| 11:25.29 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-client on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u6; jessie: 4.2.4-7; sid: 4.2.4-7 |
| 11:25.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell win5hit -about package recompile |
| 11:25.54 | ll_ | win5hit: if you have installed a debian source package you should be able to get the build dependencies automatically. |
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| 11:26.16 | babilen | win5hit: You have to install the build dependencies of every package you want to build locally. (or use a builder such as cowbuilder, sbuild, ...) |
| 11:26.24 | win5hit | oh, define 'automatically' |
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| 11:27.02 | ll_ | win5hit: apt-get build-dep <PACKAGE> |
| 11:27.31 | Moopie | Hello, somebody can help me? It's to use LILO as bootloader |
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| 11:27.41 | win5hit | uuuuh, thats sexy :) |
| 11:27.53 | babilen | g00se: So, you can either configure the DHCP client to your liking (to the effect that it sends the hostname) or upgrade to wheezy where this is the default behaviour. Please be a little bit more specific when you ask questions the next time. It took me quite a while to understand that your *real* question is "One of my boxes sends DHCP request that do not contain the hostname of that box. What might cause this?" |
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| 11:28.31 | win5hit | it in deed does install some more packages... and one matching "nss" would be libnss3-dev |
| 11:28.34 | babilen | win5hit: Just read the factoid the bot (dpkg) sent you in private. It contains a short summary of the steps required to (re-)compile packages locally and also pointers to further documentation. |
| 11:28.46 | win5hit | so i guess that was the package i was searching for |
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| 11:28.57 | babilen | win5hit: It is |
| 11:28.59 | g00se | babilen: But IS that the problem? It looks like it's intended to send the hostname.. |
| 11:29.16 | babilen | g00se: Isn't that what you complain about? |
| 11:30.23 | Dalvini | [olli]: sorry, those messages were sent to you by mistake |
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| 11:30.35 | g00se | I don't know whether the box is sending it or not. It looks like it's meant to |
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| 11:30.47 | F_Kafka | hey, i've been trying to resolve this issue of mine for like 3 hours, read tons of articles non seems to help. i'm trying to mount a samba share (from a mac computer) on my debian |
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| 11:30.51 | F_Kafka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.59 | F_Kafka | but i get this error: mount error(22): Invalid argument |
| 11:31.00 | F_Kafka | and on dmesg: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 11:31.48 | g00se | I mean, i'd have to look at the patch to see what's actually happening |
| 11:31.58 | babilen | g00se: "the box" was not configured to send the hostname, no ... |
| 11:32.50 | babilen | g00se: (at least according to the configuration file you pasted, that is in line with the fact that #151820 was not yet fixed in squeeze) |
| 11:33.16 | g00se | babilen: OK, i haven't got it yet then. So the config file is wrong then? |
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| 11:34.08 | win5hit | babilen: thank you very much! |
| 11:35.10 | tremon | F_Kafka: is cifs-utils or smbclient installed? |
| 11:35.18 | F_Kafka | both installed |
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| 11:35.34 | F_Kafka | smbclient -L 192.168.0.107 shows all the shares |
| 11:35.39 | F_Kafka | on that computer |
| 11:36.28 | F_Kafka | just for the record, on my windows box i can mount the shares of the computer with no problem |
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| 11:36.42 | tremon | F_Kafka: anything in dmesg? |
| 11:36.48 | F_Kafka | i said: |
| 11:36.51 | babilen | g00se: It was not configured to send the hostname by default. If you relied on the fact that it does it was your mistake to not configure it that way. I don't blame you and we changed the default, but that is the underlying reason. Note that you wouldn't have this issue on wheezy and I would recommend to simply upgrade to it before you start working around a lot of problems that are squeeze specific. |
| 11:36.53 | F_Kafka | and on dmesg: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 11:37.32 | tremon | no other lines? I've seen this before when connecting to a DFS cluster |
| 11:37.38 | g00se | OK. Got it now. That's surprising to say the least |
| 11:37.56 | F_Kafka | CIFS VFS: default security mechanism requested. The default security mechanism will be upgraded from ntlm to ntlmv2 in kernel release 3.3 |
| 11:38.23 | F_Kafka | and then about 10 lines of the previous msg i showed you |
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| 11:39.30 | g00se | Thanks guys |
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| 11:40.08 | tremon | ok, and if you manually specify the security method, e.g. sec=ntlmv2? |
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| 11:40.29 | babilen | g00se: np, enjoy! |
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| 11:41.06 | F_Kafka | same erorr |
| 11:41.07 | F_Kafka | error |
| 11:41.10 | F_Kafka | i tried this before btw |
| 11:41.24 | quackgyver | babilen, ChrisH, sorry for the late reply. Unexpected phone call. I think you're misunderstanding my intention, or at least babilen might be. All I want to do is have two scripts running on my VPS server, one which monitors a single file in a folder for any change, and another which pulls a set of instructions from the file being monitored on runtime. In |
| 11:41.24 | quackgyver | addition to that, I want a samba server which will allow me to connect to the folder in which the file is located so I can edit the instructions, and have the monitoring script stop the other script if the file is changed, and then proceed to load the new instructions into the script, before booting it up again. |
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| 11:42.53 | quackgyver | So: 1. Server runs monitorScript and instructionsScript. 2. instructionsScript loads /fileHere/instructions.txt on runtime. 3. monitorScript monitors /fileHere/instructions.txt for changes. 4. I connect to /fileHere/ via Samba and change instructions.txt, which will trigger monitorScript and cause it to shut down instructionScripts, and then run it again. |
| 11:42.57 | quackgyver | That's all. :) |
| 11:43.29 | tremon | F_Kafka: ok, well that's about the options I've tried in the past. You might want to follow up on #samba (iirc), or try with smbclient or mount.cifs directly |
| 11:43.55 | babilen | quackgyver: I know that my suggestion to look at Ansible, Fabric (et. al) is, to some degree, a misunderstanding. All I am saying is that the aforementioned tools are *better* at executing "instructions" on remote hosts than your own solution. |
| 11:44.02 | F_Kafka | can i mount with smbclient? |
| 11:44.03 | babilen | brb lunch |
| 11:44.17 | tremon | no, but you can connect, to test if that works |
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| 11:44.23 | angs | I connected two wlan then executed "dhclient wlan1", I get such outputs "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12" then "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.". If I use network manager on ubuntu, my device gets IP. I wonder why it does not get IP when I use dhclient |
| 11:44.34 | quackgyver | babilen: Gotcha, but you don't need to worry about instructionsScript. I'll handle that part, because I'll be coding a server app |
| 11:44.35 | F_Kafka | how about trying samba4? |
| 11:44.40 | F_Kafka | would that be helpful? |
| 11:44.48 | quackgyver | all I need help with is how to send commands to my script if a file is modified |
| 11:44.55 | quackgyver | so I guess a shell script is appropriate then? :) |
| 11:45.15 | quackgyver | Ah, you're leaving. Have a nice one then. :) |
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| 11:46.28 | tremon | F_Kafka: not sure if the samba 4 package comes with a client (there is no package smb4client) |
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| 11:47.28 | tremon | F_Kafka: btw did you try sec=ntlm and sec=ntlmssp too? |
| 11:47.41 | F_Kafka | i tried ntlm |
| 11:47.44 | F_Kafka | but not the other |
| 11:48.09 | F_Kafka | HEH NOW I GET A DIFFERENT ERROR |
| 11:48.15 | F_Kafka | heh now i get a different error |
| 11:48.17 | F_Kafka | (sorry for the caps) |
| 11:48.22 | F_Kafka | mount error(13): Permission denied |
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| 11:48.50 | tremon | ok, possibly mac doesn't implement the ntlmssp protocol (it's the newest) |
| 11:49.00 | ZIPY | is ntp installed by default? |
| 11:49.50 | tremon | ZIPY: no |
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| 11:50.39 | ZIPY | tremon: but the installer is running it on installation? |
| 11:50.48 | F_Kafka | btw |
| 11:50.49 | F_Kafka | mount.cifs: command not found |
| 11:50.53 | F_Kafka | i get this error |
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| 11:52.42 | tremon | ZIPY: not fafaik |
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| 11:53.13 | tremon | ,file bin/mount.cifs |
| 11:53.17 | judd | Search for bin/mount.cifs in wheezy/i386: cifs-utils: sbin/mount.cifs |
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| 11:53.38 | tremon | F_Kafka: it should be in /sbin if mount.cifs is installed properly |
| 11:53.58 | F_Kafka | bin/mount.cifs: ERROR: cannot open `bin/mount.cifs' (No such file or directory) |
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| 11:59.10 | Th0masR0ss | quackgyver: try looking at the last modified date and time? |
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| 12:03.44 | ladel | yes hello i am new to the debian how do i uuse the black screen with white letters i am new friend from mcdanny's restaranty tell me to use it now i not know how |
| 12:04.14 | drunkez | ladel: that`s very dangerous question |
| 12:05.43 | jargon | what's the current icedove version in wheezy? |
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| 12:08.29 | quackgyver | Th0masR0ss: Aye. :-) |
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| 12:10.17 | F_Kafka | by the way |
| 12:10.31 | F_Kafka | on gnome, if i connect to network, it does that |
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| 12:10.44 | p3rror | I have a var that contain a space like this |
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| 12:10.47 | F_Kafka | sais it connects to: smb://server/myraid |
| 12:11.04 | p3rror | VAR=7MJ9KDRJKV0D4LLA +AA |
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| 12:11.21 | p3rror | how to remove the space |
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| 12:14.44 | james41382 | I have installed Wheezy a few times. A couple times the debian themed background has been there for grub and a couple it has not. I have been trying to figure out why it is not there currently, but with no success. Any ideas? |
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| 12:16.26 | Th0masR0ss | james41382: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/10/grub-splash-image/ |
| 12:16.37 | Th0masR0ss | (Google result) |
| 12:18.23 | james41382 | Th0masR0ss: Yeah I read that last night. I went through and from the files it seems as though the joy-grub.png file should be loading as the background, but it is not. |
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| 12:19.24 | Th0masR0ss | james41382: did you look at /etc/default/grub ? |
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| 12:20.15 | james41382 | Th0masR0ss: yes. |
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| 12:21.01 | james41382 | Th0masR0ss: I even put an entry in there to try to make it load and it still did not. |
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| 12:22.00 | Th0masR0ss | Hm |
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| 12:22.23 | james41382 | brb. making coffee. |
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| 12:22.36 | francesco_ | Hello you all. I am trying to learn to learn I/O redirection, using operands in the shell. I am trying to erase all files listed in the current directory, typing "ls | rm", but it seams not working. Can you help me understand why? |
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| 12:26.19 | tremon | francesco_: #bash is the place to ask, but to answer your question: a piped input is not the same as positional arguments. Try ls | xargs rm -- |
| 12:27.08 | francesco_ | "xargs"? |
| 12:27.10 | Iridos | also reading "man xargs" might be enlightning |
| 12:27.13 | ll_ | though using 'ls' like that is not going to work with filenames that contain spaces. |
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| 12:27.27 | tremon | naturally, but this isn't the place :) |
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| 12:28.22 | francesco_ | tremon: Ok, so try the other channel. I understand. :) |
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| 12:29.41 | folivora | Hello, anyone idea when gnome-shell 3.8.3-1 is moving to sid ? |
| 12:29.57 | tremon | francesco_: read up on http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide, you'll be referred there often :) |
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| 12:30.33 | quackgyver | I'm running Debian 7 on a VPS slice, and I'm trying to figure out how to set up some way of transferring files to it. I tried to follow guides on how to set up a Samba server, but it didn't seem to be working and there appeared to be complaints on Samba being glitchy and hard to get up and running |
| 12:30.46 | quackgyver | I just want to be able to connect to my Linux slice from within Windows and upload my scripts. Any ideas? |
| 12:30.47 | francesco_ | tremon: I will. RTFM, yeah? :) |
| 12:31.06 | ZIPY | francesco_: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
| 12:31.14 | Th0masR0ss | quackgyver: try SFTP and SSH |
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| 12:31.31 | quackgyver | Alright, th |
| 12:31.32 | quackgyver | x |
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| 12:33.08 | ZIPY | oh sorry it was folivora: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
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| 12:34.16 | Th0masR0ss | quackgyver: also try WinSCP to connect to your VPS |
| 12:34.43 | quackgyver | Will do. :) |
| 12:34.49 | quackgyver | Btw what does inittab stand for? |
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| 12:37.55 | tremon | quackgyver: man inittab | head -8 |
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| 12:39.15 | francesco_ | Thank you very much. See you some other time. |
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| 12:39.42 | quackgyver | tremon: Thanks but it doesn't explain what the name stands for |
| 12:39.45 | quackgyver | do you know? |
| 12:40.00 | tremon | why is that important? |
| 12:40.09 | quackgyver | Because that's how I learn. |
| 12:40.22 | quackgyver | :) |
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| 12:41.01 | tremon | well, the file contains tabular data on primary boot services, to be run directly by the init process |
| 12:41.14 | Th0masR0ss | init tab |
| 12:41.17 | quackgyver | Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying. |
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| 12:41.24 | quackgyver | Why is it tabular? |
| 12:41.36 | tremon | the : is a column separator |
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| 12:41.42 | Th0masR0ss | initialize tabular data |
| 12:42.21 | quackgyver | how come it needs to be tabular instead of merely processing single lines? |
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| 12:42.46 | quackgyver | is there something i can read up on to better understand the logic behind this |
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| 12:43.59 | Th0masR0ss | Why is it important to know how the debian boot process works? |
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| 12:44.08 | tremon | I'm sure that reason has been lost under 30 years of progress |
| 12:44.15 | Th0masR0ss | ^ |
| 12:44.29 | tremon | what's "the logic behind this" |
| 12:44.31 | tremon | ? |
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| 12:45.04 | nyuszika7h | hi, what is the proper way to get 32 bit ELF executables working on a 64 bit system? the wiki says to install ia32-libs, but the description says "This is a transitional package used to migrate the ia32-libs package to true multiarch." |
| 12:45.41 | tremon | nyuszika7h: on "a 64 bit system", or on debian stable/testing? |
| 12:45.49 | nyuszika7h | on Debian 7.1 |
| 12:45.50 | arafangion | quackgyver: If you want to know the broad types, there's sys-v init, bsd init, and the fancy new 'event-based' init systems. |
| 12:45.54 | jelly | quackgyver: a parser for tab-separated config files is simple and easy to write and maintain, letting the author focus on actual functionality |
| 12:45.56 | Th0masR0ss | : |
| 12:46.00 | Th0masR0ss | waps |
| 12:46.10 | nyuszika7h | hi Th0masR0ss |
| 12:46.28 | Th0masR0ss | nyuszika7h: hallo |
| 12:46.33 | tremon | nyuszika7h: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO and /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 12:46.35 | quackgyver | tremon> I'm sure that reason has been lost under 30 years of progress <-- Okay. |
| 12:46.53 | nyuszika7h | ok, thanks |
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| 12:46.59 | jelly | quackgyver: thus, many important historic unix config files are, or have been, tab separated. fstab, crontab and inittab among others |
| 12:47.09 | quackgyver | jelly: How is it easier than doing everything inline instead of tabulated |
| 12:47.31 | jelly | quackgyver: write a parser for it in C, manually |
| 12:47.36 | quackgyver | o_o |
| 12:48.00 | jelly | quackgyver: that's how all the tools accessing these files were written |
| 12:48.05 | tremon | quackgyver: the file is still parsed linewise, it's not random access like a database table |
| 12:48.43 | quackgyver | Th0masR0ss> Why is it important to know how the debian boot process works? <-- Because I'm goot at extrapolating accurate conclusions and connections based on information that most people would consider useless, and I'm otherwise a pretty stupid dude so it helps me learn at a decent pace. |
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| 12:49.29 | tremon | quackgyver: "tabular data" just means that the position of a word (its "column" in this case) has semantic meaning |
| 12:49.41 | Th0masR0ss | quackgyver: not very useful information unless you're developing debian |
| 12:49.41 | quackgyver | tremon: Alright, well, what is the upside of tabulating data as if it were a database table, but in a context where cells or columns dont actually matter? |
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| 12:50.03 | jelly | quackgyver: in addition, it's really useful to make the file human-readable and human-editable to some point |
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| 12:50.30 | quackgyver | Th0masR0ss: As I said, I can extrapolate relevant stuff from seemingly useless information. People learn in different ways, and in this case the question might save me the confusion of some config formats being tabulated while others are line based. |
| 12:50.40 | jelly | quackgyver: both rows and columns do matter in inittab |
| 12:51.01 | quackgyver | jelly: Alright. |
| 12:51.04 | quackgyver | Thanks for clarifying. |
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| 12:51.18 | jelly | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 # four columns, one line defines exactly one service |
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| 12:52.25 | quackgyver | Well, "tabular" indicates that every line follows the same structure. What I'm wondering is why it's important that the separators of each line adhere to the same structure rather than an individual basis |
| 12:52.51 | quackgyver | Why does X line need the same amount of separators as line Y if they handle different things |
| 12:52.57 | quackgyver | are they processed in the same way somehow? |
| 12:53.03 | jelly | uh, yes. |
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| 12:53.16 | quackgyver | Aight. |
| 12:53.33 | jelly | that's exactly how they are processed, the parser reads each line the same way |
| 12:53.46 | quackgyver | Gotcha. :) |
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| 12:54.12 | quackgyver | Well thx for taking the time to explain. Cheers. |
| 12:54.21 | jelly | quackgyver: you'll want to read: man 5 inittab |
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| 12:54.31 | quackgyver | okay |
| 12:54.39 | quackgyver | will do :) |
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| 12:55.41 | nyuszika7h | tremon: apt said the i386 packages conflict with the amd64 ones, but I solved it by installing the lib32* packages |
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| 12:56.23 | tremon | nyuszika7h: they only conflict if they are different versions, make sure to upgrade before installing foreign packages |
| 12:56.41 | nyuszika7h | Resolving dependencies... |
| 12:56.42 | nyuszika7h | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 12:58.51 | tremon | ok, as long as it works then. I'm not sure about the lib32 packages, I thought they would have all been obsoleted by now, but apparently not |
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| 13:07.59 | a-l-e_ | hi, i'm trying to follow this howto: |
| 13:08.14 | a-l-e_ | http://ywwg.com/wordpress/?p=1201 |
| 13:08.26 | a-l-e_ | and i'm wondering how to install "play" on the debian... |
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| 13:08.34 | a-l-e_ | ... or what aternatives are around... |
| 13:09.22 | LordDeath | what is the difference between squeeze-backports and squeeze-backports-sloppy? |
| 13:09.30 | a-l-e_ | mmm, maybe i've found where it's hidden... |
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| 13:11.55 | nkuttler | a-l-e_: sox |
| 13:12.00 | nkuttler | !tell a-l-e_ about search |
| 13:12.07 | a-l-e_ | hates bots. |
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| 13:12.21 | nkuttler | how dare they give useful info |
| 13:12.31 | a-l-e_ | and most of all hates bots that don't write into the channel itself but somewhere else |
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| 13:12.56 | nkuttler | a-l-e_: yeah, i also liked it better in the old days when the bot answered here.. |
| 13:13.20 | nkuttler | it made the bot *much* more useful for a little added noise |
| 13:13.28 | BotaniCar | so that we can all re-read same stuff X times, ya, i like non-human-generated clutter on my screen too |
| 13:13.59 | nkuttler | BotaniCar: this is a support channel, to help people primarily, not to please the support people |
| 13:14.07 | nkuttler | and you can still /ignore the bot.. |
| 13:14.37 | nkuttler | i wouldn't know as much as i do today if when i began in here all replies went through pm.. |
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| 13:15.31 | BotaniCar | nkuttler: notice i didnt argue the value of human response. But if you want 4/5 of channel traffic to be generaetd by overquestioned bots, i have to disagree. |
| 13:15.52 | BotaniCar | go to /msg and bore the heck out of bot if you want it to tutor you |
| 13:16.19 | nkuttler | BotaniCar: you don't seem to understand what the bot is used for. anyway, we can discuss this in #debian-offtopic if you like |
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| 13:16.43 | a-l-e_ | however, to make things short (at least from my point of view), saying "well, you could look at apt-get search to find about play" has that little human touch that !tell a_l_e_ about search has not... |
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| 13:16.56 | BotaniCar | nkuttler: agreed |
| 13:16.58 | nkuttler | !tell a-l-e_ about apt-file |
| 13:17.12 | a-l-e_ | nkuttler wants you to know: Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. S |
| 13:17.36 | nkuttler | a-l-e_: you don't need human touch, you need info |
| 13:17.58 | nkuttler | if you want to cuddle try #defocus or somesuch |
| 13:17.59 | jelly | a-l-e_: the bot factoids were written by humans and are often chock-ful of useful things |
| 13:18.21 | a-l-e_ | well, i want info from humans. |
| 13:18.55 | a-l-e_ | that was my break for today, while my packages get updated so that i can correctly install sox |
| 13:19.05 | a-l-e_ | and try it out. |
| 13:19.37 | a-l-e_ | (and if i want a machine answering my questions, i go to google, not to irc... but you're entitled to a different point of view) |
| 13:19.55 | a-l-e_ | (and i went to google in parallel) |
| 13:20.03 | a-l-e_ | (and before) |
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| 13:20.54 | themill | a-l-e_: please volunteer your time to type the same answer out thousands of times then |
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| 13:21.05 | a-l-e_ | themill: have been doing that for years. |
| 13:21.17 | a-l-e_ | on another channel where i'm more skilled than here. |
| 13:21.36 | a-l-e_ | "don't print, produce a pdf and print it" |
| 13:21.41 | a-l-e_ | twice a day. |
| 13:21.55 | ladel | please no |
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| 13:22.35 | ladel | i am big fat hairy ladie frum russia |
| 13:22.44 | nkuttler | a-l-e_: feel free to do support however you like.. but why do you feel the need to complain about other people doing support a different way? |
| 13:23.07 | ladel | because this is freenode, land of the anal home of the retentive |
| 13:23.22 | themill | looks at ladel |
| 13:23.29 | nkuttler | ladel: do you have any Debian support questions? |
| 13:23.31 | ladel | dont you look at me, im a cop |
| 13:23.36 | themill | LordDeath: you can ask dpkg about both of them ;) |
| 13:23.42 | ladel | yes i do |
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| 13:23.52 | themill | that's nice. Perhaps you wanted #defocus |
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| 13:25.07 | a-l-e_ | np, nkuttler, if i find a "better" for me way to get support for debian i'll get there. |
| 13:25.17 | a-l-e_ | until then, you risk to see me from time to time in here. |
| 13:25.24 | a-l-e_ | i already beg for your pardon. |
| 13:25.50 | SirLagz | has anyone had issues with nvidia drivers not saving the screen setup ? |
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| 13:26.58 | nkuttler | SirLagz: saving how? i just let them autodetect stuff.. |
| 13:27.23 | unborn | nkuttler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g |
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| 13:27.43 | nkuttler | unborn: what's that? |
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| 13:28.19 | SirLagz | nkuttler, I got dual screens, whenever I restart X it sets both screens to clone |
| 13:28.21 | SirLagz | rather than twinview |
| 13:28.28 | unborn | nkuttler, that was for SirLagz |
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| 13:28.50 | nkuttler | SirLagz: that seems to be happening automagically for me |
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| 13:29.01 | SirLagz | lol unborn, I've seen that already |
| 13:29.05 | jelly | SirLagz: you'll probably want to let it generate an xorg.conf and put that in place |
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| 13:29.10 | nkuttler | SirLagz: but nvidia-settings should be able to write an xorg.conf for you |
| 13:29.11 | SirLagz | nkuttler, i wish it was happening automagically for me =/ |
| 13:29.25 | SirLagz | jelly, it already has generated an xconfig, but it still does the same thing |
| 13:29.26 | jelly | it's not automagical because X is weird |
| 13:29.36 | jelly | SirLagz: did you put the config file in the right place? |
| 13:29.42 | SirLagz | I even tried disabling the 2nd monitor, saving the config, and then restarting, and it still did the same thing |
| 13:29.44 | SirLagz | jelly, yep |
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| 13:29.53 | SirLagz | jelly, I used nvidia-settings to generate and save the file |
| 13:29.54 | nkuttler | SirLagz: start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log, look for errors or other messages |
| 13:29.57 | jelly | SirLagz: pastebin your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:30.26 | jelly | SirLagz: also: is there any file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* |
| 13:30.31 | SirLagz | nkuttler, don't see any relevant errors, but I'll check agian |
| 13:30.35 | SirLagz | jelly, I'll check conf.d as well |
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| 13:30.58 | SirLagz | jelly, I don't have xorg.conf.d |
| 13:31.27 | SirLagz | nkuttler, actually, I don't see any errors in my log files. |
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| 13:31.35 | SirLagz | nkuttler, or at least no errors that actually are marked with (EE) |
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| 13:32.29 | SirLagz | http://pastebin.com/FTryRqVh <-- my current xorg.conf |
| 13:32.35 | SirLagz | and even with that configuration, I get both screens cloning |
| 13:33.11 | SirLagz | jelly, nkuttler any ideas ? |
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| 13:35.11 | alami | hello, when i want to burn .iso file to usb stick with dd, i can't get a bootable usb |
| 13:35.16 | jelly | SirLagz: that doesn't look like a dual screen setup with on screen next to another at all |
| 13:35.20 | jelly | one* |
| 13:35.36 | SirLagz | jelly, exactly...It's NOT...yet I still get both screens cloning lol |
| 13:35.50 | SirLagz | is there anywhere else that X can get settings from ? |
| 13:35.54 | jelly | SirLagz: and you'd want one to be switched off instead? |
| 13:35.55 | alami | dd if=bebian.iso of=/dev/sdb for example |
| 13:36.21 | SirLagz | jelly, I just want something to be saved haha |
| 13:36.41 | Th0masR0ss | alami: try cp instead. |
| 13:36.54 | alami | Th0masR0ss: rearly cp burn also? |
| 13:36.54 | jelly | SirLagz: set up twinview and then save and compare |
| 13:37.01 | Th0masR0ss | alami: cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdb |
| 13:37.06 | Th0masR0ss | alami: yep |
| 13:37.25 | SirLagz | jelly, I've tried, but it still does the same thing. Ignores the config file totally once I log in |
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| 13:38.01 | SirLagz | jelly, it seems to use the configuration before I login...but then after I login it does its own thing |
| 13:38.03 | jelly | SirLagz: does that xorg.conf look ANY different? |
| 13:38.04 | alami | Th0masR0ss:are you sure? because like that it's just like copy and past it |
| 13:38.14 | SirLagz | jelly, yep, looks totally different |
| 13:38.25 | Th0masR0ss | alami: it worked for me. It'll probably work for you. |
| 13:38.35 | jelly | SirLagz: oh... it might be Gnome doing its own thing, since recent nvidia drivers support xrandr |
| 13:38.42 | SirLagz | not using gnome...using xfce |
| 13:38.49 | alami | Th0masR0ss:does dd work also for u |
| 13:38.51 | jelly | SirLagz: it might be xfce then |
| 13:38.53 | SirLagz | but in that case, at least i got a starting point |
| 13:39.12 | SirLagz | though I've pored through xfce's config too lol |
| 13:39.23 | jelly | I'd fire up xfce4-settings-manager and look at Display bits |
| 13:39.50 | SirLagz | I've looked at display, only has resolution / refresh rate. doesn't have a layout or anything =/ |
| 13:40.04 | jelly | SirLagz: pastebin the output of "xrandr", please |
| 13:40.59 | SirLagz | jelly, http://pastebin.com/k1WfDnDT |
| 13:41.07 | SirLagz | that's my current setup, dual screen like I want it to be |
| 13:41.10 | Th0masR0ss | alami: I haven't tried dd |
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| 13:42.09 | jelly | SirLagz: at worst, you can put something like "xrandr -o DVI-I-2 --right-of DVI-I-1 --auto" into the session autostart |
| 13:42.21 | SirLagz | hmm that's an idea |
| 13:42.31 | jelly | syntax probably wrong ^^ |
| 13:42.38 | SirLagz | though I'd rather not, because then I'll forget about it and wonder why it's stuck like that lol |
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| 13:42.45 | Th0masR0ss | alami: just try cp. |
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| 13:43.09 | Th0masR0ss | alami: also make sure you're using the /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:43.21 | alami | Th0masR0ss: i have try it |
| 13:43.24 | SirLagz | hmm wonder if xfsettingsd is doing something |
| 13:43.29 | Th0masR0ss | alami: and check your bios |
| 13:43.42 | alami | Th0masR0ss: is your usb stick fat32 or ext4? |
| 13:43.44 | lectern | Having trouble with usermod. "usermod -G foogroup1,2,... fooUser is the correct syntax for adding a user to groups, right? |
| 13:44.07 | jelly | SirLagz: to make things more interesting, nvidia-settings gets confused if another app uses the xrandr tool/api to modify screen settings |
| 13:44.14 | SirLagz | lol...fun |
| 13:44.32 | Th0masR0ss | alami: I don't know. I haven't used it in a whole |
| 13:44.35 | Th0masR0ss | s/whole/while |
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| 13:45.36 | tremon | lectern: man usermod, -a |
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| 13:46.57 | SirLagz | bah. I give up for tonight. Back to android coding ! |
| 13:47.24 | drunkez | muahaha:) |
| 13:47.32 | lectern | Thanks, I previously used -a but it didn't work, my syntax must have been wrong again. |
| 13:47.34 | drunkez | give up on what..sleep?:) |
| 13:47.39 | lectern | all good now |
| 13:47.53 | SirLagz | drunkez, give up on trying to get my nvidia card to do dual screens properly |
| 13:48.28 | tremon | lectern: for future reference, there's also adduser $user $group |
| 13:48.44 | drunkez | ahh..didn`t read that... |
| 13:49.04 | lectern | That'll be handy for when I need to add the next user. I'm trying to do the fiddly fresh install administrative junk, first for me. |
| 13:49.20 | drunkez | i was fighting with xrandr and such f*cking things for a long time...again..i end up in console..without any X* shit |
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| 13:51.35 | lectern | chmod is the way to go if I wish to alter group permissions for directories, yes? |
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| 13:53.07 | quackgyver | How can I give a specific group rights to their own home folders when connected via sftp? |
| 13:53.41 | quackgyver | I did Match group groupname / ChrootDirectory /home/%u / X11Forwarding no / AllowTopForwarding no / ForceCommand internal-sftp at the end of the sftp config |
| 13:53.58 | quackgyver | am i missing something vital that is causing users to have read only? |
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| 14:02.58 | etherape | SirLagz, try xrandr |
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| 14:04.05 | lectern | Which is the more feasible option for limiting a user's access outside their home folder? Root jail with necessary bits inside their own home folder, or group permissions? I'm leaning toward group permissions at this point, but I'm curious for input. I'm planning on severely limiting what each user per group can do, since each account is for specified tasks. |
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| 14:14.01 | ChrisH | lectern: why do you want to do that? This is not "planned/prepared" in native UNIX'ish systems. You would need to chroot() there. |
| 14:19.02 | lectern | ChrisH: What are you referring to when you say 'that'. Root Jail? I'm using terms I don't entirely understand, which is why I'm merely preparing atm before I wildly mess up my system. I only came across root jail as one solution that isn't really reccomended. |
| 14:19.26 | ChrisH | that == "Which is the more feasible option for limiting a user's access outside their home folder? " |
| 14:19.36 | lectern | ah. |
| 14:20.15 | ChrisH | lectern: in other words it is normal and common that users can see most stuff. |
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| 14:21.27 | lectern | Honestly? Redundancy, making sure that one user can't see too much. I get that the default is the opposite of what I want. It's important for my purposes that one account can't see outside it's own account, and that it shouldn't need terminal or root access to do what it needs to do. |
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| 14:22.28 | tremon | if a user doesn't need terminal access, you can pretty much control every aspect of what they can or cannot see |
| 14:22.44 | Itsm | Hey folks, I installed chromium on my debian, and got java6 installed on my debian, my chromium won't run java applet, saying missing plugin, what should I do? |
| 14:22.46 | ChrisH | lectern: If you tell us more on what you want and need we might can offer a better solution. |
| 14:22.49 | tremon | but that's because the user isn't given access to the unix system, it's given access through an application |
| 14:23.54 | ZIPY | will rsync -aP resume partial files or will it start the file from beginning? |
| 14:24.09 | lectern | I need to think about the specifics, I only have a general idea at the moment. Apologies if I'm not specific enough. |
| 14:25.39 | tremon | as for restricted (remote) terminal access, man rbash |
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| 14:27.05 | tremon | but generally, unix systems are built to empower, not police. You control data access, not applications |
| 14:27.20 | caraconan | Hi there. I want to setup SSH to ask an external LDAP server the user/password credentials instead of a local /etc/passwd file. With this https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS recipe can I achieve it? Thanks |
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| 14:28.51 | tremon | yes |
| 14:29.41 | caraconan | Thanks |
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| 14:30.11 | tremon | but if the ldap is an active directory, consider using libpam-winbind |
| 14:31.21 | Itsm | Any thoughts on my java issue? :) |
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| 14:32.05 | lectern | I'm essentially splitting my work across multiple users, as each topic (art, programming, writing) uses a different identity online. Should someone gain access to one account be it pysically or otherwise, I want to make sure that they can't see or access anything else outside that account. Not system files mind you, but the user content within. Securing each account against the rest. |
| 14:32.18 | jelly | tremon: have you tried sssd instead of direct ldap bindings? |
| 14:32.25 | korn36 | I can't install ia32-libs on jessie |
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| 14:32.43 | tremon | !multiarch |
| 14:32.43 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 14:32.47 | korn36 | it says something about ia32-libs-i386 |
| 14:33.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell Itsm about install java |
| 14:33.07 | tremon | jelly: I haven't, but maybe caraconan would like that alternative :) |
| 14:33.10 | jdoles | Why does this take at least 700MB of memory (and counting):apt-file search -x '(locale.hpp|a)' |
| 14:33.10 | jelly | korn36: can you pastebin the complete output with that "something"? |
| 14:33.13 | korn36 | so i try to install ia32-libs-i386 and it gives me a dependency error about libjack0:i386 |
| 14:33.20 | babilen | Itsm: Note the bit about the icedtea plugin |
| 14:33.31 | korn36 | i'm pastebinning it now |
| 14:33.49 | jelly | jdoles: I guess "a" is a very common match |
| 14:33.54 | korn36 | http://pastebin.com/QdV1MtCx |
| 14:33.57 | caraconan | jelly: tremon: yes, I'm playing (unsuccessfully) with both |
| 14:33.59 | korn36 | this is the error |
| 14:34.04 | themill | jdoles: that's a pretty hideous regex |
| 14:34.06 | lectern | I wouldn't be surprised if there was a simpler approach that accomplished what I need. |
| 14:34.08 | Itsm | babilen, I got java installed, I need to install the plugin? |
| 14:34.17 | caraconan | I'm stuck with exactly which PAM file should I edit and to get bind user to work |
| 14:34.44 | Itsm | babilen, thank you :) |
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| 14:34.49 | korn36 | my multiarch is enabled |
| 14:34.52 | caraconan | But if somebody here has this setup up and running and wants to share config with me I'm pleased :) |
| 14:35.00 | tremon | lectern: so, you only want to guard the contents of home directories? simply chmod 750 /home/* should do it |
| 14:35.30 | tremon | (unless all your users are members of a "users" group, which case you need 700) |
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| 14:35.54 | korn36 | when i install libjack0:i386 it wants to remove some of my packages |
| 14:36.06 | korn36 | including puleaudio |
| 14:36.10 | korn36 | *pulseaudio |
| 14:36.17 | tremon | korn36: paste or it didn't happen :) |
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| 14:36.36 | korn36 | http://pastebin.com/VJ8Cv899 |
| 14:36.44 | korn36 | i swear it did happen |
| 14:36.49 | jdoles | jelly: I tried that, because apt-file search -x 'ghc|boost' also didn't return e.g. ghc6. |
| 14:36.52 | Itsm | Guys, how do I upgrade my java6 to java7? |
| 14:36.57 | lectern | I'm sticking each user in a group appropriately named for their tasks, ie "3d, writing, media" so i think the former solution would work |
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| 14:37.29 | tremon | korn36: can you export LANG=C, and re-run the command? |
| 14:37.40 | lectern | although, "users" == the default group that is created when no group is specified right? Named after the user? |
| 14:37.45 | korn36 | tremon: wait |
| 14:38.17 | korn36 | http://pastebin.com/aXePPRdr |
| 14:38.32 | korn36 | is this a dependency hell? |
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| 14:39.01 | jdoles | jelly: sorry, I wasn't clear; apt-file search -x 'ghc|boost' and apt-file search -x 'boost|ghc' don't return the same results (ignoring order). |
| 14:39.11 | mechanicalduck_ | hi |
| 14:39.16 | mechanicalduck_ | What is the difference between linux virtual server and lxc? |
| 14:39.22 | mechanicalduck_ | Are both somehow the same? |
| 14:39.26 | edward__ | hello room . i have a couple questions . |
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| 14:39.36 | jelly | jdoles: yeah, that sounds like apt-file (it's not the best written tool) |
| 14:39.37 | themill | jdoles: foo|bar doesn't do what you think it does. You need the parens. |
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| 14:40.04 | korn36 | i were mixing testing with unstable for a custom kernel |
| 14:40.09 | silence1 | Hi. I am trying to find a way how to mount a samba share as a normal user while the user logs in. It should be the users home. I have the following in /etc/fstab //remoteserver/UnixFolders /home/DOMAIN/ smbfs rw,user,username=myusername,password=mypassword 0 0. When I enter mount -a it mounts fine. After I log in with the user "myusername" The folder gets created in //remoteserver/UnixUsers/myusername but it is owned by root:root. Any idea? |
| 14:40.26 | korn36 | so why i can't install ia32-libs? |
| 14:40.28 | jordanm | mechanicalduck_: if you mean vserver vs lxc, it's just different software for implementing containers |
| 14:40.28 | tremon | korn36: libjack-jackd2-0 conflicts with libjack0, which is jack-1 |
| 14:40.36 | jdoles | themill: why do I need the parens? All kinds of grammar definitions for Perl say that I don't. |
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| 14:40.52 | jordanm | silence1: man pam_mount |
| 14:40.59 | korn36 | tremon: remove libjack-jackd-2-0 removes pulseaudio too |
| 14:40.59 | tremon | you need to install either all of jack1 (remove jackd2 e.a.), or install libjack-jackd2-0:i386 |
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| 14:41.10 | mechanicalduck_ | jordanm: and keepalived uses only linux virtual server, right? |
| 14:41.13 | themill | jdoles: you're not writing the entire regex here, you're writing part of one. |
| 14:41.32 | korn36 | tremon: install libjack-jackd-2-0:i386 conflicts with libopus0:i386 |
| 14:41.39 | jordanm | mechanicalduck_: never heard of it |
| 14:42.16 | korn36 | Why I'm always the unlucky one :( |
| 14:42.30 | tremon | korn36: not according to the package file |
| 14:42.36 | jdoles | themill: "Treat pattern as a (perl) regular expression." |
| 14:42.41 | jdoles | themill: so, the documentation is lying? |
| 14:42.42 | tremon | it depends on libopus0 |
| 14:42.47 | themill | jdoles: no. |
| 14:42.48 | korn36 | tremon: then how in the world it conflicts on my system? |
| 14:43.04 | korn36 | can this be issue with deb-multimedia repo? |
| 14:43.09 | themill | jdoles: btw you can keep arguing for as long as you want but that isn't going to change apt-file. |
| 14:43.16 | jdoles | themill: perldoc: "You can specify a series of alternatives for a pattern using "|" to separate them, so that fee|fie|foe will match any" |
| 14:43.35 | tremon | korn36: can you paste apt-cache policy libopus0 libjack-jackd2-0 and apt-cache show libopus0/NOW libjack-jackd2-0/NOW? |
| 14:43.45 | silence1 | jordanm: thanks. Going to see that. |
| 14:43.47 | jdoles | themill: I'd like to believe that I can read documentation and then write something which works the first time. |
| 14:43.53 | korn36 | that /NOW's shall be included too? |
| 14:44.16 | tremon | korn36: yes, otherwise it'll list multiple versions |
| 14:44.23 | mechanicalduck_ | jordanm: both software uses linux kernel cgroups-feature/-routines for establishing such a container, right? |
| 14:44.43 | jdoles | themill: how do you unify that the documentation is not lying with the above excerpt from official perl documentation? |
| 14:44.59 | jordanm | mechanicalduck_: it might, but I am pretty sure both have been around longer than cgroups were introduced into the kernel |
| 14:45.08 | korn36 | http://pastebin.com/XhydhbFK |
| 14:45.09 | korn36 | lol |
| 14:45.14 | korn36 | that paste triggered spam filter |
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| 14:45.48 | themill | jdoles: it is doing exactly that. |
| 14:46.05 | korn36 | is something wrong with those packages? |
| 14:46.10 | mechanicalduck_ | jordanm: so they can also use other mechanisms? but they rely on the kernel, right? |
| 14:46.11 | lectern | Making sure I understand correctly, I only learned about this a few days ago so I'm not up to par on my rubric. I use this on the main home folder, just after root correct? It sets it to rxwrx----? |
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| 14:46.44 | lectern | it's been years since I first tried linux, and only just migrated back onto it so my basics are rusty. |
| 14:46.51 | tremon | korn36: no, I was just looking for a line that says conflicts: libopus0, and it's not there. Why were you trying to install libjack0:i386? |
| 14:47.03 | jdoles | themill: it would help if you would talk a bit more concrete. |
| 14:47.05 | tremon | (no == nothing wrong with those lines) |
| 14:47.17 | korn36 | trmon: i tried to install ia32-libs |
| 14:47.32 | korn36 | it errored about ia32-libs-i386 |
| 14:47.42 | korn36 | so i tried to check what's wrong with ia32-libs-i386 |
| 14:47.54 | korn36 | and there was something wrong with libjack0:i386 |
| 14:48.11 | russw | I've recently done a dist-upgrade on 7.1/wheezy that failed (https://dpaste.de/iVgQo/raw/) and I can now no longer do a reboot or halt. Is this a known issue, or does anyone know how to fix this? I'm stumped so far. |
| 14:48.21 | tremon | lectern: not the /home folder itself, but every subfolder of it. And 750 is -rwxr-x--- |
| 14:48.29 | korn36 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:48.52 | jordanm | jdoles: it looks like a bug to me |
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| 14:49.04 | jdoles | themill: I just read the source code and it does something completely different. |
| 14:49.05 | themill | jdoles: it is treating what you have given it as a perl regex, but it is used as part of a larger regex. |
| 14:49.09 | tremon | korn36: yes, that's unfortunate. ia32-libs has a hard dependency on Jack 1, but since you have already installed jack2, that won't work |
| 14:49.20 | jdoles | themill: and the documentation doesn't say that. |
| 14:49.20 | themill | jdoles: no it doesn't. |
| 14:49.23 | tremon | korn36: but /why/ did you need to install ia32-libs? |
| 14:49.29 | themill | jdoles: send patches. |
| 14:49.30 | korn36 | tremon: teamviewer |
| 14:49.31 | silence1 | jordanm: The user authenticates using ldap to the ACtive Directory. Its home directory is on the share on the Active Directory(windows). the pam_mount requires the user to put .pam_mount.conf.xml in his homedir. This homedir does not exist initially so.? |
| 14:49.33 | korn36 | and stuff |
| 14:49.46 | mumpitze1 | korn36: equivs? |
| 14:49.47 | korn36 | it would also be useful for skype, etc. |
| 14:49.48 | lectern | Thanks tremon, I initially thought that but doubled back on myself. Didn't realise I enterpreted the group permissions wrong. 5 is read/execute, right? |
| 14:50.01 | korn36 | I wan't ia32-libs. I don't want equivs |
| 14:50.03 | mumpitze1 | korn36: not useful anymore. only for outdated proprietary software |
| 14:50.06 | jordanm | silence1: see: pam_mkhomedir |
| 14:50.11 | mumpitze1 | korn36: do you know what equivs is? |
| 14:50.16 | jdoles | apt-file should never have been released in its current form. |
| 14:50.22 | korn36 | equivalents of something else |
| 14:50.22 | silence1 | jordanm: I have it enabled |
| 14:50.32 | korn36 | like Gimp: photoshop |
| 14:50.36 | themill | jdoles: you should have fixed it earlier then |
| 14:50.41 | mumpitze1 | korn36: wrong. but suit yourself |
| 14:50.43 | tremon | korn36: ia32-libs doesn't contain any files anymore, only dependencies on the real i386 packages |
| 14:50.45 | jdoles | themill: I didn't release it. |
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| 14:51.00 | silence1 | root@nagios:~# grep -r "mkhomedir" /etc/pam.d/ |
| 14:51.01 | silence1 | /etc/pam.d/common-session:sessionrequiredpam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 skel=/etc/skel |
| 14:51.05 | themill | jdoles: please be sending those patches to the bts. thanks. |
| 14:51.08 | korn36 | okay, but is there a way to install those ia32-libs |
| 14:51.15 | korn36 | ? |
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| 14:51.36 | tremon | korn36: you need to find out exactly which packages teamviewer requires, and install them by hand. Or, create an equivs package that depends on the same packages that ia32-libs depends on, but leave out libjack0 |
| 14:51.56 | tremon | korn36: the only way to install ia32-libs is to uninstall jack2 |
| 14:52.05 | korn36 | ok |
| 14:52.09 | korn36 | so if i remove jack2 |
| 14:52.20 | korn36 | will i be able to install pulseaudio? |
| 14:52.49 | tremon | yes, try aptitude install libjack0 libjack-jackd2-0- |
| 14:53.01 | silence1 | jordanm: the current setup I have does create user dir automatically but the permissions are not preserved by the user. Instead root:root owns everything. chown -R user:group userhomedir does not work either. It takes no effect |
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| 14:53.07 | tremon | or conversely, aptitude remove libjack-jackd2-0 libjack0+ |
| 14:53.22 | tremon | that should keep pulseaudio's dependency chain happy |
| 14:53.30 | korn36 | aptitude doesn't want to nuke my system packages |
| 14:53.31 | korn36 | weird |
| 14:53.34 | silence1 | I'm suspecting that since I issue 'mount -a' as user.. it mounts the samba share under root privileges and does not allow anything else to create or delete files/dirs |
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| 14:54.03 | korn36 | i'm now on libjack0 |
| 14:54.24 | korn36 | but ia32-libs-i386 is still conflicting |
| 14:54.27 | ws2k3 | Hello. When i ru /usr/bin/echoping -t 5 -h www.facebook.com -n 20 www.facebook.com it allways says Bad request 400 anyone any idea why this is happening? |
| 14:54.36 | tremon | korn36: paste? |
| 14:54.43 | korn36 | same as before |
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| 14:54.50 | tremon | on libjack0? |
| 14:55.06 | korn36 | wait, it's installing |
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| 14:55.27 | korn36 | Problem solved! Thank you very much! |
| 14:55.41 | tremon | yay :) |
| 14:55.53 | korn36 | music is still playing, so i think pulseaudio didn't broke |
| 14:56.07 | keepsake | How trusted are debian mirrors? I just ran netselect-apt to find "the fastest", but it yields domains of organisations I've never heard of. |
| 14:56.10 | tremon | at least not more than before :) |
| 14:56.47 | tremon | keepsake: the individual packages are signed, so as long as the mirror isn't pushing a new debian-archive-keyring, it should be safe |
| 14:56.55 | korn36 | keepsake: xx.debian.org are generally trusted |
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| 14:57.53 | lectern | tyvm tremon, that was much simpler than I initially thought it would be. |
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| 14:58.12 | jordanm | themill: jdoles: it appears to turn the regex "foo|bar" into: ^(.*?foo|bar\S*)\s+(\S+)\s*$ |
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| 14:58.30 | keepsake | tremon: Is it OK to assume I would get an _obvious_ notice when certificates change? |
| 14:58.53 | themill | jordanm: yep -- it doesn't want to match the regex against package names |
| 14:59.19 | tremon | lectern: next time, make sure you explain the why behind your question, not just ask about the how. Leads to much faster results :) |
| 14:59.25 | keepsake | korn36: I was using those, but the connection speed wasn't as optimal. |
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| 14:59.26 | lectern | One last question: How in the world do I disable the key+mouse commands that do things to the windows? They interfere with actions within certain applications. |
| 14:59.42 | korn36 | another conflict; this time with lib32asound2 |
| 15:00.04 | korn36 | wait, i'll try with other version of the app |
| 15:00.16 | somiaj | lectern: that depends on what wm/de you use |
| 15:00.30 | korn36 | YAY! |
| 15:00.31 | lectern | wm/de == ? |
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| 15:00.36 | korn36 | 32bit teamviewer worked fine |
| 15:00.38 | lectern | oh |
| 15:00.41 | somiaj | lectern: window manager / desktop enviorment |
| 15:00.49 | lectern | right, hit me after I asked |
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| 15:00.56 | tremon | keepsake: no, sadly not that obvious. There are some solutions (file watches, archive notifications) but nothing out of the box |
| 15:01.38 | korn36 | keepsake: are you paranoid after that NSA PRISM thing that you need to check if a repo is trusted? |
| 15:01.53 | lectern | Using Gnome 3.4.2 and Nautilus. |
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| 15:02.27 | lectern | I haven't altered anything in the environment, even though it'd be nice to have it be pretty I'd rather KISS. |
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| 15:03.01 | somiaj | lectern: gnome most likely has it hidden in some sort of control pannel / config tool |
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| 15:03.09 | somiaj | lectern: I'd look there or search 'gnome 3 keybindings' in google |
| 15:03.30 | lectern | I've found multiple solutions but almost all of them involed installing compiz. |
| 15:03.36 | lectern | *involved |
| 15:03.41 | keepsake | korn36: Not, I'm not paranoid - I just thought it would be sane to see what I can trust |
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| 15:04.25 | somiaj | lectern: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.5/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en |
| 15:04.28 | somiaj | lectern: that help? |
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| 15:05.05 | lectern | nope, the mouse+keyboard shortcuts aren't listed within that section, first thing I tried. |
| 15:05.20 | lectern | It seems that almost everyone that ran into this problem just installed compiz and disabled it from in there |
| 15:05.44 | somiaj | lectern: maybe it is some other layer for those short cuts. As I don't use gnome I have no clue. (: |
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| 15:06.07 | lectern | lectern - what de/wm you use? I'll happily switch to something else if it doesn't break anything |
| 15:06.31 | lectern | at this point I'm thinking it's nautilus' fault, so i don't mind replacing it |
| 15:06.36 | somiaj | lectern: I use fvwm, but it takes a while to configure it. There are other smaller/simpler ones out there |
| 15:06.54 | somiaj | lectern: I suggest xfce or lxde to most people. I like lxde more my self, but xfce has a more fancy/modern look |
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| 15:07.32 | lectern | I've heard of xfce, haven't tried it. Seen many good things about it. |
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| 15:08.11 | lectern | so, installing any of these won't break anything else on Wheezy 7.1? |
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| 15:08.29 | somiaj | they should be able to live side by side on a wheezy system (just take up more diskspace) |
| 15:08.56 | somiaj | lectern: good luck, I'm late and have to leave |
| 15:09.05 | lectern | Kay, thanks. have a good one somiaj |
| 15:09.13 | Dalvini | lxde++ |
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| 15:09.38 | dmbaturin | If I'm going to do something awful with the system and want to make a snapshot to get back with lvconvert --merge later, should I create a snapshot of the same size to affected volume, or it's safe to reserve just a much as my current system actually uses on the volume? |
| 15:09.49 | lectern | Dalvini: is that a diff version of lxde or are you giving a +1 to the notion of using it? |
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| 15:09.59 | Dalvini | giving a +1 |
| 15:10.23 | Dalvini | lxde is lightweight, simple, does basically everything that is required from a wm |
| 15:10.25 | lectern | I have no idea how to make a snapshot, I must have used the wrong keywords as I couldn't find anything on the matter. Will look specifically for snapshot |
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| 15:11.23 | tremon | dmbaturin: if it's a short-lived snapshot, just reserve the complete LV size |
| 15:11.23 | lectern | my original plan was to back up my initial install and revert if I messed up, but I couldn't figure out what functioned as a system backup. |
| 15:11.37 | jkamp | hey guys, I'm trying to install the VPN client for my work and it's erroring out that it's missing libssl.so.6 - anyone know what package I might be missing? I have openssl installed |
| 15:11.41 | dmbaturin | lectern: If you mean LVM snapshot, lvcreate -s -n mysnapshot -L <size> <origin volume> |
| 15:12.01 | rubikcube_work | Hi, is there an equivalent for /etc/profile.d for bashrc? (for interactive non-login shells) |
| 15:12.05 | jdoles | ... |
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| 15:12.30 | dmbaturin | tremon: So reserving as much as the data size I have on the volume is never safe? |
| 15:12.40 | lectern | haha, if you search for system backup linux you get all the wrong results, but choose snapshot as your keyword and everything is golden. XD |
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| 15:13.10 | jenia_ | hello. |
| 15:13.23 | Rix | is it possible to output vmstat in less than a second (i tried 'vmstat 0.5 10', but it needs integer) |
| 15:13.26 | jenia_ | when i press tab and bash gives me suggestions for a command |
| 15:13.31 | tremon | dmbaturin: only if you know for certain that the volume won't grow while you're using the snapshot |
| 15:13.35 | jenia_ | these suggestions are not color coded |
| 15:13.39 | jenia_ | how can i changed that? |
| 15:13.40 | lectern | by god lxde is beautiful |
| 15:13.40 | dmbaturin | tremon: In fact I'm planning an upgrade rollback mechanism for a specialized debian build so I want to be absolutely sure. :) |
| 15:14.02 | jelly | Rix: not that I know of, no |
| 15:14.13 | dmbaturin | lxpanel can't handle multiple displays, lol. |
| 15:15.08 | tremon | dmbaturin: remember that the snapshot serves two purposes: 1) conserve blocks change in the master copy, but still necessary for the snapshot 2) blocks changed in the snapshot. If you know for certain that the snapshot will never be mounted read/write, you can discard the latter |
| 15:15.18 | rubikcube_work | or is there another way you can recommend to have /etc/bash.bashrc source other scripts? |
| 15:15.27 | dmbaturin | I was going to use it, but ended up using openbox with tint2/dmenu/etc. |
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| 15:17.29 | dmbaturin | tremon: Well, if the user mounts it r/w, it's their responsibility (and if they are planning it, they will likely create it themselves). |
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| 15:20.30 | tremon | dmbaturin: sure. My only point was that your use case for the snapshot was already known: try some package installations, and revert if it won't work. That maybe only a delta of a few GB's at most, but since the snapshot won't be living that long, it's not worth your time to extensively pre-calculate the space required |
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| 15:22.19 | labatesa | When wine have latest version in debian repository? |
| 15:22.25 | labatesa | 1.6 |
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| 15:22.39 | lectern | apt-get wants me to insert a disk, mounting the first debian cd ISO will suffice? |
| 15:22.49 | lectern | *insert a debian livecd |
| 15:22.57 | dmbaturin | lectern: Editing your sources.list is a better idea. |
| 15:23.04 | dmbaturin | Comment out the debian CD repo. |
| 15:23.08 | lectern | ah |
| 15:23.18 | labatesa | When wine have latest version in debian repository? |
| 15:23.31 | dmbaturin | In the next release. |
| 15:23.46 | dmbaturin | * Now-latest, of course, not then-latest. |
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| 15:29.45 | labatesa | http://www.winehq.org/ |
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| 15:30.06 | labatesa | http://packages.debian.org/sid/wine in sid 1.4-1 |
| 15:30.27 | dmbaturin | man debuild |
| 15:30.35 | labatesa | wine stable here is 1.6==> http://www.winehq.org/ |
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| 15:31.02 | jelly | ,v wine-unstable |
| 15:31.03 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.30-2 |
| 15:31.24 | babilen | labatesa: 1.6 is *not* wine's stable release. |
| 15:31.32 | jelly | babilen: uh, yes it is. |
| 15:31.35 | babilen | oh, it is now :) |
| 15:31.40 | babilen | when did that happen? |
| 15:31.42 | jelly | even = stable |
| 15:31.44 | labatesa | no? see here please http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 15:32.06 | labatesa | Stable:Wine 1.6 (shortlog) |
| 15:32.11 | babilen | labatesa: yes, sorry .. It wasn't that way for a very long time and I don't follow wine's development that closely. They must have released 1.6 as stable quite recently. |
| 15:32.13 | jelly | labatesa: it's not that far from 1.5.30 to 1.6, if you wait a couple weeks-months it will happen |
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| 15:32.39 | jelly | ... probably, judging from the recent uptake in wine-unstable packaging |
| 15:32.50 | babilen | yeah, it was released 13 days ago .. sorry for the noise |
| 15:32.59 | labatesa | is released in July 18, 2013 |
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| 15:33.36 | jelly | installed 1.6 from wine ubuntu-ppa... but not on Debian, rather on the supported OS for that ppa |
| 15:33.56 | labatesa | But when we have wine 1.6 in debian? |
| 15:34.07 | jelly | labatesa: wait a couple weeks-months it will happen |
| 15:34.39 | Th0masR0ss | How about Xfce 4.10 on debian? Wait till Jessie or...? |
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| 15:35.51 | tremon | well obviously 4.10 will never be in wheezy |
| 15:35.52 | labatesa | jeilly: Will maintainers died? |
| 15:36.11 | labatesa | I think they do not know. |
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| 15:36.28 | Th0masR0ss | tremon: yeah. So I'll wait till Jessie or go to Jessie right now. |
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| 15:36.47 | jordanm | jelly: wine updates have been coming faster in debian due to recent changes in maint |
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| 15:36.59 | labatesa | Last time it took a year to upgrade. |
| 15:37.06 | Sebboh | In package tomcat6 (6.0.35-6), upstream's catalina.sh is invoked by the start-stop-daemon, which is invoked by /etc/init.d/tomcat6. ...I might be leaving out some steps, pardon me. :) Now, catalina.sh can be passed command line arguments that alter its behavior--for example, starting in debug mode. Which brings me to my question: how do I do "./catalina.sh jpda start" in the Debian way? "sudo service tomcat6 start jpda start" did |
| 15:37.06 | Sebboh | not work. I looked inside /etc/init.d/tomcat6 and found ... a complicated bash script. The line that actually builds the command line which is eventually invoked does contain a $@, but I have been unable to get my string to show up in there. Help? |
| 15:37.11 | jordanm | the original maintainer was slow on it because he wanted to package every single wine version in order so it would end up in the archive |
| 15:37.29 | jordanm | now some more people stepped up to help out, and I don't think that is a goal any longer |
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| 15:38.07 | tremon | labatesa: http://bugs.debian.org/717971 -- they know |
| 15:38.21 | jordanm | Sebboh: if an init script in debian accepts options, it should be in /etc/default/tomcat6 |
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| 15:39.29 | labatesa | http://bugs.debian.org/717971 maintainer did not respond. |
| 15:39.32 | Sebboh | huh. That answer might as well be "Did you look in the freezer?" (like, for lost car keys.) I'll check it out, thanks, jordanm. :) |
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| 15:39.46 | labatesa | tremon: |
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| 15:40.14 | labatesa | not know |
| 15:40.33 | tremon | labatesa: that bug is four days old. Whining isn't going to speed up the packaging |
| 15:41.48 | labatesa | tremon: Debian jessie becomes stable, but the wine is not packaged as it was in 1.1. |
| 15:42.01 | dmbaturin | My ITP with a ready to use package was recently removed after 20 weeks with no attention to it, still I don't whine. :) |
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| 15:50.44 | Sebboh | jordanm: /etc/defaults/tomcat6 does have options to enable debugging of the java process. It doesn't utilize the catalina.sh facility for doing so, but, good enough. Thanks again. |
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| 15:50.59 | jordanm | Sebboh: np |
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| 16:04.34 | milo64 | hello |
| 16:04.52 | milo64 | So, what is the most correct and best way of renewing an expired PGP key? |
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| 16:06.54 | dondelelcaro | milo64: you just change the expiration date, and send the new key to the keyservers |
| 16:06.58 | dondelelcaro | or if it's a subkey, create a new subkey |
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| 16:09.26 | milo64 | http://codepad.org/wiHl6xoG , dondelelcaro ; so, i do this, to renew the PGP key just like i did when setting up my key here? |
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| 16:11.00 | milo64 | i really need to know. I've never had a PGP key in my life. I started few days ago |
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| 16:14.47 | milo64 | dondelelcaro: be clear, am i correct? |
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| 16:17.05 | dondelelcaro | milo64: yes, that's what you do |
| 16:17.12 | milo64 | thank god! thank you |
| 16:17.17 | lord4163 | Bleh installed LAMP, moved my stuff to there and I'm getting 500 error |
| 16:17.28 | dondelelcaro | milo64: the main reason to set an expiration date is so that if you lose control of the key, it gracefully goes away |
| 16:17.39 | Sebboh | Apparently package libtomcat7 (dependency of package tomcat7) conflicts with libtomcat6 (dependency of package tomcat6). FWIW, I believe that this conflict is artificial, it's an artifact of how Debian maintainers have chosen to package these applications. For example, /usr/share/java/tomcat-juli.jar exists in both lib packages. It should probably be named /usr/share/java/tomcat6-juli.jar and /usr/share/java/tomcat7-juli.jar. The |
| 16:17.39 | Sebboh | maintainers are already aware of this in general (that's why they made separate tomcat6 and tomcat7 packages in the first place) but they haven't "finished the job", as it were. |
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| 16:18.45 | Sebboh | scratch that, you could leave the file named as is but put it in /usr/share/tomcat7/lib/ for example. |
| 16:19.30 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: they actually have file conflicts. |
| 16:19.55 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: and the files are named that, but they have symlinks or similar which point to the original files |
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| 16:20.26 | dondelelcaro | or at least, that's how I'm guessing they've done it; I'm only looking at the file list, not the actual packages |
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| 16:20.59 | dondelelcaro | ebSbut regardless, if you want them both installed at once, please file a wishlist bug if there isn't one already. |
| 16:21.17 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: yes, they are symlinks to specific sub-versions, but at runtime, it's the symlinks that are accessed. In any case, it's not possible for the file conflicts to come from upstream, because Apache doesn't specify how to install tomcat(s) site-wide. |
| 16:21.41 | Sebboh | hm. |
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| 16:22.21 | Plouj | Is it possible to at squeeze-backports was replaced by one of the directories found here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ semi-recently? |
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| 16:23.07 | dondelelcaro | Plouj: no. squeeze-backports is at backports.debian.org |
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| 16:23.59 | Plouj | dondelelcaro: the thing is for some reason my apt-config is looking for http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-backports, and apt is getting 404. I wonder what happened because it used to work. |
| 16:24.48 | Plouj | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/squeeze-backports.list:deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-backports main |
| 16:25.03 | gethenian | does debian offer boot/install kernels runnable on non-pae cpu chips |
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| 16:26.15 | ksk | gethenian: it does not? |
| 16:26.35 | ksk | i mean, the default kernel does not run non non pea cpus? |
| 16:26.58 | gethenian | ksk - I was asking, because it appears some linux distros require pae |
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| 16:27.49 | gethenian | before I download debian, I thought to ask |
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| 16:28.29 | dondelelcaro | Plouj: it almost certainly never worked. |
| 16:28.42 | dondelelcaro | Plouj: or you got lucky, and somehow managed to get a mirror which also had backports |
| 16:28.51 | dondelelcaro | Plouj: but see backports.debian.org for details. |
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| 16:29.27 | ksk | gethenian: google tells me you will have to use "linux-image-$VERSION--486" package/kernel |
| 16:29.37 | ksk | speaking of wheezy |
| 16:29.48 | dondelelcaro | gethenian: yes, we have non PAE kernels |
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| 16:30.43 | dondelelcaro | (though unless your hardware is ancient, it probably supports PAE) |
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| 16:31.40 | jdoles | How can I search for something for the form dir/b OR dir/d with apt-file search -x ? |
| 16:31.49 | jdoles | s/for/of |
| 16:32.03 | gethenian | it is a thinkpad laptop with a "pentium m" cpu which lacks pae extensions |
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| 16:34.37 | mumpitzel | gethenian: the default kernel is a -486 one. it will run fine. lateron you might want to run a -686 kernel |
| 16:35.05 | mumpitzel | gethenian: to clarify the kernel when installing debian is a -486 one |
| 16:35.18 | gethenian | thankyou mumpitzel, I'll start downloading now |
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| 16:38.57 | arenlor | I started getting a weird kernel panic last night and I've no idea what to do with it. Can anyone help me interpret it? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=f2iw6d&s=5 |
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| 16:40.04 | Plouj | dondelelcaro: so I should replace "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-backports main" with "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main"? |
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| 16:40.14 | Plouj | That's what I get from http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 16:40.47 | mumpitzel | arenlor: disable your network card in BIOS and try to boot again |
| 16:42.32 | arenlor | mumpitzel: It's a VPS ^_^' |
| 16:42.52 | gethenian | is "debian-7.1.0-i386-DVD-1.iso" a stable release? |
| 16:44.05 | Sebboh | Question: how are port conflicts handled in debian packages? For example, foo-httpd uses port 80 by default, and bar-httpd does too. Assuming that these packages don't conflict with one another, how is the port issue handled? |
| 16:44.10 | ksk | !tell gethenian about stable |
| 16:44.13 | ksk | gethenian: yes it is |
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| 16:45.36 | babilen | gethenian: Are you sure you want i386 and not amd64? (32bit vs 64bit) ... and it is also untypical that you need the complete DVD, but yeah that one would work fine |
| 16:46.05 | Sebboh | gethenian: if the machine(s) you are installing to has internet access, you might have a more happy installation experience if you use the 'net install images rather than the net-unavailable images (DVD). |
| 16:46.18 | Plouj | Yay, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports worked. |
| 16:46.34 | gethenian | babilen - I need a release that will work on a thinkpad laptop with a "pentium m" 32 bit processor which lacks pae extensions |
| 16:47.08 | babilen | gethenian: Ah, fair enough. (just wanted to make sure, a lot of people think that amd64 would only run on AMD processors for some reason) |
| 16:47.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell gethenian -about install debian |
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| 16:48.05 | babilen | gethenian: Ask the bot about the information linked in <...> and in particular <netinst> <firmware image> and <installer firmware> -- <usb install> is relevant if you plan to install from USB. Have fun and see you later! :-D |
| 16:48.18 | mumpitzel | gethenian: I suggest you use a different installer tho. use a lxde one |
| 16:48.46 | mumpitzel | gethenian: the one you named above installs gnome3 by default which will be too heavy for your RAM and videocard |
| 16:49.07 | mumpitzel | and I'm not sure you have a DVD drive either actually |
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| 16:50.43 | gethenian | download of gnome3 disc cancelled |
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| 16:52.02 | Sebboh | gethenian, mumpitzel: as an alternative to using an lxde installer, you could simply use netinst in expert mode, not select the "desktop" task, and then apt-get install whatever appropriate software as you see fit. I usually survive for a few days before I give up and install xwindows, most often with awesomewm but lately I've been using i3wm. |
| 16:52.17 | Sebboh | :) |
| 16:52.28 | gethenian | yes, there is a dvd drive builtin, and I have a usb external dvd drive also. The thinkpad has 2gb ram and 1.5ghz pentium cpu and ati radeon 9600 |
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| 16:55.04 | Sebboh | I don't understand why folks attempt to attack channels on networks with strong services. :P |
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| 16:55.18 | gethenian | now downloading xfce cd image disc 1 |
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| 16:55.38 | folivora | :) |
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| 16:55.42 | folivora | script-kiddies |
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| 16:56.33 | Sebboh | Back on efnet, we used to survive 200kbps of join/parts, without services. In the snow, both ways. :P |
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| 16:56.46 | fenris_kcf | banned from #debian-next? wtf? |
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| 16:56.58 | arenlor | Sebboh: Up or down hill? |
| 16:57.02 | OldParr | google-chrome says it will not receive any updates, because google-chrome support for debian has ended, is that a bug? |
| 16:57.26 | arenlor | OldParr: If it's not may I suggest IceWeasel? |
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| 16:57.53 | Sebboh | arenlor: most of us were on 56k, so I'd say uphill. :) |
| 16:58.21 | OldParr | arenlor: i use iceweasel, i use only google-chrome for those pages difficult for iceweasel |
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| 17:01.42 | OldParr | google-chrome says it will not receive any updates, because google-chrome support for debian has ended, is that a bug? |
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| 17:02.13 | gethenian | sounds like an executive decision by google |
| 17:02.26 | Sebboh | OldParr: google's damn website serves different content depending on how your browser identifies itself, so I'm having trouble answering your question. |
| 17:02.57 | Sebboh | s/he left. whatevs. |
| 17:03.08 | xand | they still provide a debian/ubuntu version. |
| 17:03.38 | xand | and it says it'll add their repo and be kept updated... so |
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| 17:04.32 | Talon_ | I' |
| 17:04.35 | Talon_ | oops |
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| 17:05.28 | Sebboh | long story short, I can't imagine that Chromium-on-linux is going away, nor even chromium-on-debian. google-chrome could go away at any time and it wouldn't surprise me. ...But is anyone aware of a good feature that exists in google-chrome that doesn't exist in chromium ? |
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| 17:07.00 | Talon_ | I've used the Debian Testing CD to install wheezy way back when squeeze was still the latest stable, this still the same or is there something I need to do to go from the testing branch to the new 7.1? |
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| 17:07.28 | somiaj | Sebboh: as far as I know the only difference is including flash, googles branding, and maybe some other default nonfree extensions |
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| 17:07.48 | somiaj | Sebboh: but I have yet to see any limitation of using chromium, you just hvae to install the flash plugin sepertally is the main difference I know of. |
| 17:08.04 | fenris_kcf | what's with the restrictive acces to #debian-next? |
| 17:08.21 | somiaj | Talon_: check your sources.list and make sure you have 'wheezy' as opposed to 'testing' |
| 17:08.39 | somiaj | Talon_: if that is the case, you can just upgrade to make sure you have all the current bug/security fixed packages. |
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| 17:09.03 | somiaj | fenris_kcf: you want to be on irc.oftc.net (offical debian irc network) |
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| 17:09.15 | somiaj | fenris_kcf: so correct channel, wrong network |
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| 17:09.33 | Talon_ | ah alright, I have wheezy and wheezy/updates (and sometimes I uncomment the experimental repo) |
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| 17:10.13 | fenris_kcf | somiaj: so what are this channel and #debian-next for? |
| 17:10.29 | somiaj | fenris_kcf: #debian-next on freenode is an empty channel, just ignore it |
| 17:10.52 | fenris_kcf | ah, ok |
| 17:10.58 | somiaj | fenris_kcf: debian use to use freenode as its offical irc network, this channell has been around since then. So this is more an unoffical channel that stays around since many debian users still are on freenode |
| 17:11.21 | lampshade | hi i am trying to bootstrap debian to a GPT drive and am unsure about how to install grub properly and write the fstab file |
| 17:11.34 | somiaj | fenris_kcf: many of us actually are on both networks, but irc.oftc.net is the offical debian irc network now. |
| 17:11.50 | fenris_kcf | ok. thank you |
| 17:11.55 | lampshade | it seems there is little documentation on this, so either a new issue as drives are growing, or maybe i am missing a way to avoid this altogether |
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| 17:12.40 | lampshade | i have a partition, /dev/sda1 1007 kb marked as bios_grub on with sgdisk |
| 17:13.01 | lampshade | and a boot partition, /dev/sda2 |
| 17:13.08 | lampshade | and the rest of the system on the LVM |
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| 17:14.00 | lampshade | my question is: do I need /dev/sda2 as /boot, or is that supposed to be /dev/sda1 bios_grub? and regardless, do I need an fstab entry for /dev/sda1, marked as bios_grub? |
| 17:14.10 | lampshade | supposedly this is supposed to be where the stage 1 image lives |
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| 17:14.31 | lampshade | and when i run grub-install, do i install to /dev/sda or somewhere else? |
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| 17:21.08 | toni | Hi! |
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| 17:27.59 | Left_Turn | how do u connect to a network router... wireless or ethernet? |
| 17:28.11 | Left_Turn | i dont see any icons |
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| 17:29.10 | Left_Turn | opps brb.. please hold that thought |
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| 17:31.36 | neon__ | i pulseaudio -k, and now i have no sound :( |
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| 17:32.54 | jhutchins | neon__: What did you expect? |
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| 17:33.20 | neon__ | right |
| 17:33.33 | neon__ | I have underrun, I thought to restu |
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| 17:34.14 | neon__ | restart it, but for some reason running pulseaudio didn't return the soun |
| 17:34.16 | neon__ | d |
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| 17:34.58 | jhutchins | neon__: I would expect -k to simply kill pulseaudio, but I don't use it. Alsa's all I need. |
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| 17:36.17 | neon__ | i guess u don't use gnome then |
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| 17:37.12 | jhutchins | Nothing in gnome requires it as far as I know. |
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| 17:37.29 | neon__ | i was told gnome sound don't work without it |
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| 17:40.06 | neon__ | anyone have a clue how to turn sound back on without reboot? |
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| 17:40.43 | flux242 | start pulseaudio maybe |
| 17:40.56 | neon__ | i did |
| 17:41.23 | neon__ | it runs |
| 17:41.27 | neon__ | but no sund |
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| 17:42.35 | flux242 | isn't is just muted? |
| 17:42.57 | neon__ | no. |
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| 17:43.25 | neon__ | the gnome-control-center has only dummy-device |
| 17:45.30 | flux242 | how did you start pulseaudio? |
| 17:45.53 | flux242 | it's "start pulseaudio" |
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| 17:47.21 | toni | My Wheezy's LO is now crashing on "Save" - every time. Any ideas about how to fix it? |
| 17:47.48 | nicoo | Is there a known problem with Wheezy's OpenSSH client ? I can create ECDSA key, but loggin with existing ones (or newly created ones) fails (and RSA keys on the same host work) |
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| 17:49.15 | flux242 | toni: don't save |
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| 17:50.11 | toni | flux242: you're joking, right? everyone needs to save their files |
| 17:50.26 | neon__ | pulseaudio --start |
| 17:50.32 | neon__ | flux242, ^ |
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| 17:51.49 | flux242 | toni: what's LO? |
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| 17:52.08 | toni | flux242: LibreOffice |
| 17:52.31 | flux242 | toni: did you try to strace? |
| 17:52.49 | toni | flux242: no... ? |
| 17:52.58 | toni | but it creates a huge core everytime |
| 17:53.45 | anon411 | I want to modify login program => "apt-get source login". It download entire shadow. When i try to install shadow there are passwd, login etc. installed. I can't uninstall them because there are unresolved dependencies with apache |
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| 17:56.57 | Fivuk | try again |
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| 17:59.32 | Sebboh | I have seen processes listening on :::8080 service requests sent to 10.0.10.10:8080, for example. Today, this is not happening for me. Under what circumstances does :::<some port> include 0.0.0.0:<some port>, too? |
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| 18:02.01 | mumpitzel | Sebboh: requests sent are never to 0.0.0.0. even subnet broadcasting would use a different IP |
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| 18:02.44 | mumpitzel | and :8080 is a shorthand for 0.0.0.0:8080 usually |
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| 18:03.50 | Sebboh | I can phrase my question better: on my machine right now, tomcat7 is listening on :::8080 and I can reach it from http://localhost:8080 (possibly via ipv6). I can't reach it from http://192.168.56.1:8080. However, apache2 is listening on :::80 (only) and I can reach it from http://localhost:80 AND http://192.168.56.1:80. What's the difference? |
| 18:04.11 | Fivuk | TNTease = No Good. |
| 18:04.29 | Sebboh | (in my previous message, replace 10.0.10.10 with 192.168.56.1 ...) |
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| 18:05.13 | mumpitzel | Sebboh: firewall |
| 18:05.21 | Sebboh | I am not aware of any. |
| 18:06.11 | Sebboh | I didn't configure a firewall to allow apache2 to work. Well, if I did, I forgot. Are there default firewall rules in Debian (old sid)? |
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| 18:07.05 | mumpitzel | normally not, no |
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| 18:07.35 | deroot | As you know, Unity (default Ubuntu desktop) has a special feature that is called "HUD". This feature enables you to access menu options of current software by pressing Alt key and typing a key word. Very useful. Is there a similar case in Gnome3? |
| 18:08.21 | flux242_ | Sebboh: what sudo iptables --list give? |
| 18:08.24 | Sebboh | ... deroot, apt-get install windows7? :) |
| 18:08.37 | flux242_ | !win |
| 18:08.53 | flux242 | hm, where is dpkg? |
| 18:09.13 | deroot | Sebboh: :-! |
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| 18:09.42 | flux242 | !help |
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| 18:10.21 | Sebboh | flux242: please pardon me, just joking around. :) I'm afraid that I don't have an actual answer to your legimate question. |
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| 18:11.16 | Sebboh | flux242: iptables --list shows three chains, INPUT, FORWARD, and OUTPUT. All say policy ACCEPT. |
| 18:13.36 | Sebboh | I have thought of yet another way to ask my question, and I think that this is the clearest method yet: how does apache2 successfully serve requests sent to 192.168.56.1:80 even though the apache2 process is only listening on tcp6 (:::80) ? |
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| 18:14.40 | neon__ | how to play wmv in iceweasel |
| 18:14.42 | mumpitzel | 0.0.0.0:80 means "listen on all interfaces". so it's normal it does this |
| 18:15.27 | Sebboh | But another process that listens on all interfaces (tcp6) doesn't seem to get the ipv4 traffic too. |
| 18:15.49 | mumpitzel | you said so |
| 18:15.51 | deroot | no HUD feature for GNOME3.x? |
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| 18:35.10 | Sebboh | mumpitzel, flux242: sudo sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only. If it = 0, then binding [::]:port on ipv6 ALSO accepts connections on 0.0.0.0:port. |
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| 18:36.19 | mumpitzel | duh! sorry I didn't notice ipv4 vs. v6 :( |
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| 18:39.18 | Sebboh | mumpitzel, flux242: haha, remember when one of you said "firewall."? Yep! Well, more or less. The linux box is a VM on a windows host and I have various portforwarding set up.. and it's set up wrong. (I tried inside the VM, too, to confirm that the portforwarding wasn't to blame, BUT, I tried with the host-side IP, which for some reason is different than the guest-side IP... thus, double-fail caused me to misread everything else |
| 18:39.18 | Sebboh | past that point. :P ) |
| 18:39.27 | Sebboh | Thanks for helping me anyway. :) |
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| 18:41.01 | mumpitzel | Sebboh: I said that. it's something to check. and if the VM is virtualbox: it's portforwarding if it exists at all is broken afaik |
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| 18:45.00 | Dagger3 | tip: bridge your VMs onto your network |
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| 18:45.28 | Dagger3 | and don't NAT. introducing more NAT when you don't need to is not worth the pain |
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| 18:52.19 | Sebboh | Dagger3 and mumpitzel, my vm networking setup is designed to address specific needs of my workplace. One VM provides dhcp and dns for the other VMs... and I didn't want to bridge that onto the corp network. So, I gotta live with it. And, it works fine so long as I remember what my machine's IPs actually are. ;) |
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| 18:55.29 | Dagger3 | if you don't want to bridge, route |
| 18:55.41 | Dagger3 | this is the sort of thing IP is designed for |
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| 18:57.45 | MadsRC | anyone in here got any exporence in using a Apple Aluminum Keyboard with debian? |
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| 18:58.29 | Sebboh | Dagger3, virtualbox. See above. :P |
| 18:58.50 | xingu | MadsRC: I've used a few to keep the door to the riser closet pinned open when the AC failed one time, does that count? :) |
| 18:59.04 | Sebboh | In other news, the webapp is now up and running and I can connect to it via remote debugging, and.. now it's time for #work. Have a nice day all! |
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| 18:59.09 | Dagger3 | it *should* support a routed network |
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| 18:59.33 | Dagger3 | or more exactly, a host-only network with routing done by the host OS |
| 18:59.37 | MadsRC | xingu, sounds like the proper use for them :P |
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| 19:00.06 | Th0masR0ss | Ha |
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| 19:04.05 | Mangix | how do i change from using alsa to oss4? linux-sound-base seems to be missing. |
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| 19:05.10 | mumpitze1 | !tell Mangix about bat |
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| 19:10.13 | DNS | http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-prevent-ssh-brute-force-attacks-with-fail2ban-on-debian-7/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-to-prevent-ssh-brute-force-attacks-with-fail2ban-on-debian-7 |
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| 19:11.13 | jhutchins | !oss4 |
| 19:11.14 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, this is packaged since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:11.21 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Much more helpful. |
| 19:11.50 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: he mentions the lack of a package linux-sound-base. that's a apt/repo problem |
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| 19:13.49 | Mangix | apt-get tells me that linux-sound-base has no installation candidate |
| 19:13.58 | Mangix | and that oss4-base replaces it |
| 19:14.12 | mumpitze1 | Mangix: what is your actual problem when trying to install oss4? |
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| 19:14.35 | mumpitze1 | and yes, !bat is very important to this since you are obviously unable to describe the problem |
| 19:14.42 | Mangix | well, the actual problem is that i have no sound. so i am trying to install oss4 and seeing if it fixes it. |
| 19:15.17 | mumpitze1 | probably foolish but your choice. I'm still wating for the !bat output |
| 19:15.29 | Mangix | !bat? |
| 19:15.29 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:15.33 | Mangix | ah |
| 19:15.58 | mumpitze1 | dpkg already messaged you that 10 minutes ago |
| 19:15.58 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, mumpitze1 |
| 19:16.29 | Mangix | it's on a separate computer is the issue. although i can try getting on IRC there. |
| 19:17.00 | mumpitze1 | no need for that. you just need have a internet connection there |
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| 19:19.43 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Did you go through the <alsa checklist>? |
| 19:19.57 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: (you can /msg dpkg alsa checklist) |
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| 19:20.23 | jhutchins | Mangix: (you can /msg dpkg alsa checklist) |
| 19:20.30 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Sorry, bad tab complete. |
| 19:20.45 | Mangix | http://paste.debian.net/21016/ |
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| 19:21.30 | mumpitze1 | Mangix: since oss4-base replaces linux-sound-base, why are you trying to install it? |
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| 19:22.01 | neon__ | how to play wmv in iceweasel |
| 19:22.42 | Mangix | the impression that i got from the wiki was that linux-sound-base is used to switch between using alsa and oss4 |
| 19:23.36 | Mangix | does it make any difference that i'm using debian 7.1 with lxde instead of the default? |
| 19:24.03 | mumpitze1 | which wikipage are you refering to? |
| 19:24.20 | Mangix | https://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration |
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| 19:25.10 | mumpitze1 | ,v linux-sound-base |
| 19:25.11 | judd | Package: linux-sound-base on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2 |
| 19:25.21 | mumpitze1 | yep. not available in wheezy anymore |
| 19:25.39 | mumpitze1 | you could try and install the OSS packages if you really want OSS4 |
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| 19:25.50 | Mangix | i just want sound at this point |
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| 19:29.14 | Noturno99 | hey guys, I have a trouble here I'm looking for some opinion about what packet could be broken in my system. Every time I need admin authentication my system crashes. By accessing synaptic, mounting devices (usb sticks, sd cards, partitions) through GUI . I'm using gnome3.8/nautilus |
| 19:29.47 | Noturno99 | I can mount fine by terminal.. Is it related to policy kit? SOmething like that? |
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| 19:30.49 | mumpitze1 | check ~/.xsession-errors maybe? try another DE to check if it's a gnome issue, etc? |
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| 19:33.10 | Noturno99 | mumpitze1, It's not only gnome, I have xfce and I have the same behavior. |
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| 19:34.05 | mumpitze1 | Noturno99: what crashes? |
| 19:34.17 | Noturno99 | the GUI |
| 19:34.34 | mumpitze1 | X or gnome? |
| 19:34.34 | ineedhelp | I just installed debain using a seperate computer, switched the hdd to my other computer and now to screen goes all wonky when i try to boot |
| 19:34.43 | Noturno99 | it says that I do not have permission to do that. But it does not offer the admin authentication to do so... |
| 19:35.18 | mumpitze1 | ineedhelp: how far before it gets wonky? |
| 19:35.31 | Noturno99 | I says to log out.. Is it gnome or x? |
| 19:35.47 | Noturno99 | I'm not sure, but maybe it's gnome |
| 19:35.59 | mumpitze1 | as I wrote above then |
| 19:36.48 | ineedhelp | mumpitze1: I click enter on debian and it shows a long list of text. Then it asks me to press ctr-d or type in my password for maintenance, I ctr-d and continue, it shows some more text then it messes up |
| 19:37.18 | mumpitze1 | ineedhelp: that "long list of text" has error message(s) |
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| 19:38.31 | Noturno99 | I just want to see that pop-up window telling me to type the admin's password and that's it. But I don't get it... |
| 19:38.43 | mumpitze1 | run gksudo |
| 19:40.53 | ineedhelp | mumpitze1: so how do i fix my screen? before it messed up the moniter would just go blank and say "please check pc settings" |
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| 19:41.35 | Noturno99 | Any idea, guys? |
| 19:42.33 | mumpitze1 | ineedhelp: read the error(s) before you press ctrl+d |
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| 19:44.14 | ineedhelp | mumpitze1: there are no errors ... |
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| 19:59.36 | Serpiente | hey, I know that I can run additional scripts on login if I place them in /etc/ssh/sshrc is there a pendant for logout/ disconnect? |
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| 20:06.04 | jhutchins | internat: Sometimes it helps to read that "long list of text". You will see that there is a problem with the disk. |
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| 20:06.42 | jhutchins | internat: Sorry. |
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| 20:22.54 | wondiws | guys, on wheezy, I just installed the NVIDIA proprietary drivers as I want to use CUDA, but I don't have glx anymore |
| 20:23.16 | wondiws | and when I run nvidia-xconfig, I don't have any screens anymore: "(EE) No devices detected" |
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| 20:28.41 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 20:28.42 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:29.49 | wondiws | I did install them from the repository |
| 20:29.53 | wondiws | and I did read those articles |
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| 20:30.06 | wondiws | I suspect it might have something to do with vga arbiter? |
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| 20:33.39 | jhutchins | wondiws: What debian provides are some tools to make the proprietary drivers easier to manage within the debian system. Nvidia are still the ones who determine how they work and what graphcs tools are available. |
| 20:34.11 | jhutchins | wondiws: I'm afraid I don't have any specific knowledge of your situation, hopefully someone else will speak up, or you can try #nvidia. |
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| 20:37.30 | wondiws | ok thanks, I'm still trying |
| 20:37.56 | wondiws | but for CUDA, I really have to use the proprietary drivers I'm afraid? |
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| 20:41.08 | wondiws | <rant>these BIOS configurations these days: all they ever allow you to change is whether or not you want a boot logo or something</rant> |
| 20:41.35 | wondiws | and I've got an option for legacy USB which doesn't actually work... |
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| 20:47.05 | sodiumnitrate | hello |
| 20:47.55 | debdeb | did someone made a package of mpv for wheezy? (https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv) which i may use? |
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| 20:57.51 | jhutchins | debdeb: New, unstable code like that is not really the kind of thing that Debian Stable uses. |
| 20:58.46 | ZIPY | how can i change to static ip in gnome? (3.4.2) |
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| 20:59.26 | Moopie | What is your network manager? |
| 20:59.29 | Moopie | ... |
| 20:59.39 | Moopie | Stupid question! |
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| 21:00.29 | debdeb | yea... but i want to look a stream _now_ and not, when mpv is considered stable for debian-stable |
| 21:00.34 | debdeb | ;-) |
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| 21:01.35 | jelly-home | debdeb: use normal mplayer, then |
| 21:01.40 | SmashingX | I just forgot what's the command to create file systems that is intereactive, it shows you what you currently have and I think if press m is help |
| 21:01.44 | debdeb | doesnt work |
| 21:02.01 | jelly-home | debdeb: is this stream public, what's the url? |
| 21:02.08 | debdeb | ist a playlist with ?hsp? |
| 21:02.09 | jelly-home | debdeb: tried vlc instead? |
| 21:02.17 | jelly-home | hsp? |
| 21:02.22 | debdeb | one moment, please |
| 21:02.30 | blackhole | Hi, For some reason when ever I reboot my debian 6 system it seems to have my computer hostname in /etc/hosts file next to 127.0.0.1. This start resolving my hostname to 127.0.0.1 which i don't want. I am manually able to remove it but everytime i reboot it comes again, any ideas? |
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| 21:02.56 | debdeb | its for example: mplayer http://tv.nifhack.nl/tent1k/beeld.m3u8 |
| 21:03.15 | debdeb | err... with -playlist |
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| 21:05.00 | jelly-home | debdeb: and how does mplayer fail? |
| 21:05.10 | socomm | blackhole: you can give the file the immutable flag with chattr, thus preventing anyone/thing from writting to it |
| 21:05.27 | debdeb | jelly-home: and yes. tried vlc, too. works more or less... but very ressource-hungry |
| 21:05.58 | jelly-home | debdeb: seems to work fine on my 2010 machine |
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| 21:06.21 | ctmjr | SmashingX: you talking about fdisk |
| 21:06.24 | debdeb | jelly-home: after a few seconds it stops and reloads the file |
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| 21:06.37 | blackhole | socomm: Any ideas which process could be changing it on reboot? |
| 21:06.44 | SmashingX | yep, I just remember ctmjr thanks |
| 21:06.50 | SmashingX | ctmjr++ |
| 21:06.52 | blackhole | socomm: can you give me example of using chattr? |
| 21:06.55 | ctmjr | np |
| 21:06.55 | debdeb | for exampla: mplayer -playlist http://tv.nifhack.nl/tent1k/beeld.m3u8 |
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| 21:07.20 | debdeb | error: mplayer -playlist http://tv.nifhack.nl/tent1k/beeld.m3u8 |
| 21:07.23 | debdeb | argh |
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| 21:07.28 | socomm | blackhole: im guessing one of the networking scripts, I'd have to look it up |
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| 21:07.40 | debdeb | error: TS_PARSE: COULDN'T SYNC |
| 21:07.40 | socomm | blackhole: chattr +i /path/tofile |
| 21:08.02 | monkwitdafunk | Hi users of freenode |
| 21:08.45 | jelly-home | debdeb: that "playlist" seems to change every ten seconds |
| 21:08.51 | monkwitdafunk | I need help on getting the link for learning how to usr truecrypt without root access |
| 21:09.01 | debdeb | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:09.09 | socomm | monkwitdafunk: what |
| 21:09.09 | debdeb | thats that hs-thinggy |
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| 21:09.25 | debdeb | the cut the playlist in parts |
| 21:09.29 | debdeb | they |
| 21:09.33 | jhutchins | blackhole: The correct way to fix that is not to make the file immutable, but to find out what's rewriting it and fix it. |
| 21:09.53 | blackhole | jhutchins: yes that's what i was thinking.. any ideas how to find? |
| 21:09.54 | debdeb | thats why there is no normal link in that playlist |
| 21:09.56 | monkwitdafunk | Id like to use truecrypt without root access. Thank you |
| 21:10.10 | jhutchins | blackhole: I would suggest that it's part of the dhclient package, and you can reconfigure it so that it won't rewrite hosts (or will include specific entries). |
| 21:10.19 | blackhole | hmm |
| 21:10.25 | debdeb | jelly-home: and thats why i need mpv ;-) |
| 21:10.30 | jhutchins | blackhole: dhclient does this with resolv.conf too. |
| 21:10.53 | jelly-home | debdeb: if it's not in debian, you'll have to build it from source |
| 21:11.05 | debdeb | seuftz |
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| 21:11.30 | debdeb | and thats why i asked if soumeone has allready build it |
| 21:11.52 | debdeb | its a huge build, i assume |
| 21:12.00 | socomm | jelly-home: dhclient rewrites /etc/hosts? |
| 21:12.07 | socomm | jhutchins: not jelly-home sorry |
| 21:12.09 | jhutchins | debdeb: For various reasons there aren't many third-party builds for Debian. |
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| 21:12.29 | blackhole | jhutchins: right i see those files saying don't edit by hand, your changes will be overwritten but not for /etc/hosts.. |
| 21:12.29 | jhutchins | socomm: That's what I would suspect. |
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| 21:12.49 | socomm | jhutchins: that doesn't quite make sense to me |
| 21:13.01 | jhutchins | blackhole: So possibly some other mechanism at boot. |
| 21:13.17 | jhutchins | blackhole: I suppose you could test by changing it and cycling your network. |
| 21:13.29 | socomm | blackhole: you can try setting immutable flag and see what 'fail's at boot |
| 21:13.40 | jhutchins | blackhole: It is considered correct for your hostname to resolve to 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:13.47 | RichiH | stree: test |
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| 21:13.54 | jhutchins | blackhole: Why is that not correct? |
| 21:13.56 | RichiH | stree: botsnack |
| 21:14.16 | blackhole | jhutchins: I want it to resolve to Ip address of my machine.. |
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| 21:14.26 | jhutchins | blackhole: Why? |
| 21:14.40 | blackhole | jhutchins: Ahh I have some linux server apps that expect that |
| 21:14.52 | blackhole | jhutchins: otherwise they will listen on localhost, i don't want that |
| 21:14.54 | PostfixHelp | I just setup postfix. How do I access my mail locally? |
| 21:14.59 | ikonia | stree: hello |
| 21:15.11 | PostfixHelp | with mail/mutt |
| 21:15.16 | socomm | blackhole: its better if your machine resolves to 127.0.0.1 than actual IP |
| 21:15.27 | PostfixHelp | is there some config stuff I need to do with them? |
| 21:15.27 | blackhole | socomm: hmm.. |
| 21:15.34 | blackhole | socomm: why is so? |
| 21:15.59 | socomm | blackhole: 127.0.0.1 belongs to loopback device and won't go over network |
| 21:16.17 | socomm | blackhole: where as your IP will generate unecessary network traffic |
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| 21:16.50 | blackhole | socomm: I want that because I have some apps I use which uses my machine to connect to other to do some kind of distributed build |
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| 21:17.08 | miwa | okay, so a weird thing happened to me today... I've install vim-nox and as a dependency ruby. I thought I was getting ruby 1.9.1 since it was install libruby1.9.1, and the binary is named /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 however when called with the --version flag it reports ruby 1.9.3p194.. why is that? |
| 21:17.18 | socomm | blackhole: I don't quite follow |
| 21:17.27 | blackhole | socomm: distcc needs it.. |
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| 21:17.38 | blackhole | socomm: https://code.google.com/p/distcc/ |
| 21:18.09 | blackhole | socomm: Anyways i think for now your idea is good to fix what i need.. |
| 21:18.10 | socomm | blackhole: other machines will connect to your machines IP address, but the machine itself will connect to itself via its loopback interface |
| 21:18.22 | DLange | RichiH: it's a bot, query it :) |
| 21:18.38 | RichiH | DLange: that's the point |
| 21:18.48 | RichiH | we're trying to rigure out what it does and why it's here |
| 21:19.35 | debdeb | jelly-home: ah... its called: Live Playlist HLS protocol version: 3... vlc says so |
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| 21:19.48 | debdeb | i mead that hls-thinggy |
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| 21:20.40 | blackhole | socomm: ok here is the deal.. The machine has a different IP than what is in DNS which i think is not good? |
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| 21:21.31 | DNS | stop talkin bad about me |
| 21:21.33 | socomm | blackhole: if other machines are accessing the machine via DNS name, this can be a problem |
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| 21:21.53 | blackhole | blackhole: yes other machines also uses my machine to build projects |
| 21:22.10 | blackhole | blackhole: we use distcc over network to build projects which is distributed build |
| 21:22.21 | socomm | blackhole: you may need to update the DNS entry in that case |
| 21:22.33 | socomm | blackhole: does your machine have multiple IPs? |
| 21:22.37 | blackhole | socomm: yes |
| 21:22.55 | socomm | blackhole: well as long as the IP on DNS leads to your machine, it should be ok |
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| 21:23.06 | jhutchins | PostfixHelp: mail (mailx) should just work. I have never figured out how to configure mutt properly. |
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| 21:23.23 | blackhole | socomm: hmm |
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| 21:24.02 | blackhole | socomm: hmm but your idea is good, i can see using dmesg on next reboot who was trying to change the file |
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| 21:24.15 | blackhole | socomm: correct? |
| 21:24.43 | blackhole | socomm: Another small problem --> I am using debain with KDE and GNOME using VMware. Copy pasting text from windows to linux and viceversa works fine if i am using KDE but not Gnome, I like using Gnome but can't due to that. Any ideas? |
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| 21:26.36 | blackhole | I am using debain with KDE and GNOME using VMware. Copy pasting text from windows to linux and viceversa works fine if i am using KDE but not Gnome, I like using Gnome but can't due to that. Any ideas? |
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| 21:28.09 | jelly-home | DNS is an unfortunate nickname to use in a tech support channel |
| 21:28.25 | DANtheBEASTman | any benefits to using ftp over http in your sources.list? I notice it takes a while to download all the little pdiffs |
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| 21:30.49 | PostfixHelp | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 21:32.26 | Shutdown | hi everybody! |
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| 21:34.22 | Shutdown | I have a laptop with Debina Jessie and 3.9 kernel! From 3 days to now, the hibernate option disappeared! what could it be? maybe a package upgrade? |
| 21:34.32 | onethfour | is it possible to forward x11 stuff through a putty ssh connection? |
| 21:34.57 | onethfour | i'm trying to run gitk on putty, and have it display on my Win7 box, but its saying Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable |
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| 21:36.24 | debdeb | onethfour: export DIPLAY=somewhere |
| 21:36.43 | debdeb | or better do the putty-equvalent of ssh -X |
| 21:36.59 | Shutdown | I have a laptop with Debina Jessie and 3.9 kernel! From 3 days to now, the hibernate option disappeared! what could it be? maybe a package upgrade? |
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| 21:37.57 | onethfour | debdeb, what do you mean? |
| 21:39.25 | bbb^ | you need an Xserver running on your Windows 7 PC. Xming is an option: http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html |
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| 21:39.55 | debdeb | onethfour: oh wait. you first need an X on that win7-box |
| 21:40.29 | debdeb | but it should work somehow. i did it on win-xp allready |
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| 21:43.19 | jhutchins | onethfour: Putty has an X server, as does cygwin. They'll usually provide you with a terminal that will automatically set the display value on the remote system so no need to mess with it. |
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| 21:45.02 | debdeb | really? putty includes an X? |
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| 21:45.49 | jhutchins | No, I'm confusing the one in cygwin. |
| 21:45.58 | jhutchins | putty is usually used with xming. |
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| 21:46.13 | bbb^ | I didn't think that was the case with windows, need Xming or cygwin to provide an X server |
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| 21:46.20 | debdeb | ah right. IIRC i have done it with xming |
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| 21:47.02 | Shutdown | I have a laptop with Debin Jessie and 3.9 kernel! From 3 days to now, the hibernate option disappeared! what could it be? maybe a package upgrade? |
| 21:47.48 | bbb^ | click shutdown :P (joking) |
| 21:47.57 | paulera | hi everybody. I have a server with only shell, no desktop or GUI stuff. I would like to have a local text-based chat, just a room for everybody logged talk with each other. suggestions? |
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| 21:48.30 | debdeb | paulera: ircd |
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| 21:49.08 | debdeb | but there should be simpler solutions |
| 21:49.10 | Shutdown | paulera: try the 'talk' |
| 21:49.18 | paulera | debdeb: installing and configuring a irc server is too much for my needings. |
| 21:49.45 | paulera | i just need names and phrases, a very simple chat room. |
| 21:49.57 | paulera | Shutdown: gonna take a look |
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| 21:50.24 | paulera | Shutdown: debdeb: I appreciate too much your attention! tks |
| 21:50.41 | Shutdown | paulera:'talk' is very simple, designed to be used on the local machine or small networks |
| 21:51.08 | paulera | Shutdown: does it supports multi-user chat room? |
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| 21:51.37 | Shutdown | paulera: i really do not know, i'm sorry |
| 21:51.43 | paulera | Shutdown: as i'm seeing on man page, i need to inform the user and terminal |
| 21:51.57 | paulera | Shutdown: but tks anyway! |
| 21:52.03 | Shutdown | pau |
| 21:52.05 | bbb^ | http://linux.die.net/man/1/talk :) |
| 21:52.06 | Shutdown | paule |
| 21:52.16 | Shutdown | paulera: you're welcome |
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| 21:52.36 | bbb^ | did a google for man page talk :P |
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| 21:53.03 | Shutdown | can anyone try to help me? |
| 21:53.50 | bbb^ | ahh just keeping up paulera, you've seen the map page |
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| 21:54.10 | bbb^ | -map +man page |
| 21:54.33 | paulera | bbb^: http://linux.die.net/man/1/talk |
| 21:54.58 | mtn | Shutdown: you might try #debian-next on oftc |
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| 22:09.52 | blackhole | I am using debain with KDE and GNOME using VMware. Copy pasting text from windows to linux and viceversa works fine if i am using KDE but not Gnome, I like using Gnome but can't due to that. Any ideas? |
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| 22:14.23 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
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| 22:14.50 | verysoftoiletppr | trying to install these 2 packages but apt-get is not finding them: |
| 22:14.52 | verysoftoiletppr | E: Unable to locate package libdri2-1 |
| 22:14.53 | verysoftoiletppr | E: Unable to locate package libdri2-dev |
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| 22:15.35 | verysoftoiletppr | sources.list http://paste.debian.net/21114/ |
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| 22:22.46 | verysoftoiletppr | help |
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| 22:23.29 | badelvis | Hi there. |
| 22:23.45 | surxenberg | does anyone know how well the radeon driver fglrx currently works? i haven't used linux on the desktop for ages, but i signed up for university and need linux to develop on. i used to have nothing but problems with fglrx, and i wanted to know if it's more stable than it used to be 5-7 years ago. |
| 22:23.52 | mtn | verysoftoiletppr: that package is not in debian |
| 22:24.04 | verysoftoiletppr | mtn hmm |
| 22:24.15 | badelvis | I have encrypted my home with ecryptfs. Obviously it is very important to save the mount passphrase, in case I have to access my home directly at some time. How can I retrieve the mount passphrase, when I'm logged in and my home is decrypted and mounted? |
| 22:24.19 | mtn | verysoftoiletppr: http://packages.debian.org is very helpful |
| 22:24.23 | jordanm | surxenberg: these days, you don't need fglrx unless you want to play games |
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| 22:24.35 | surxenberg | jordanm: i can play games on windows. |
| 22:24.36 | jordanm | !tell surxenberg about ati |
| 22:24.39 | kirkland | badelvis: ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase |
| 22:24.50 | jordanm | surxenberg: then the open source radeon drivers will be fine |
| 22:24.53 | badelvis | ah thx |
| 22:25.12 | surxenberg | jordanm: why should i use them, besides being open source? |
| 22:25.27 | surxenberg | i know that nvidia's drivers (i use an 8400GS in my HTPC) are, albeit closed source, rock solid. |
| 22:25.40 | surxenberg | are you saying that fglrx is still unreliable? |
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| 22:26.06 | surxenberg | well, i should maybe ask this question in #ati |
| 22:26.10 | surxenberg | nvm, but thx nonetheless. |
| 22:26.34 | badelvis | Thank you kirkland. It worked! |
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| 22:27.29 | jordanm | surxenberg: less hassle, "just works" out of the box |
| 22:27.47 | jordanm | supports 3D accelleration, but that isn't great |
| 22:28.08 | surxenberg | i remember fglrx crashing on random occasions for no apparent reason whatsoever. |
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| 22:28.26 | surxenberg | i really don't need *great* 3D acceleration, just enough to use desktop compositing |
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| 22:29.34 | Shutdown | mtn: sorry friend. what's oftc? |
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| 22:29.59 | mtn | oftc.net, another irc channel. look up in the topic. |
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| 22:30.24 | BCMM | Shutdown: mtn is not entirely correct. it's a different *network* |
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| 22:30.43 | mtn | Indeed, I mistyped |
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| 22:32.35 | surxenberg | dayum, kde became huge.... |
| 22:32.49 | surxenberg | it's always been a humungous chunk of software... but dayum... |
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| 22:33.53 | james41382 | The background for grub is not working on my system (Debian Wheezy) and I have been trying to figure out why. I read through some configuration files after coming across this page, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/10/grub-splash-image/, but have been unsuccessful. I am beginning to wonder if for some reason the video is set to a text only mode. |
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| 22:35.10 | Shutdown | ok thanks |
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| 22:35.44 | paulera | Shutdown: i did my chat with 2 bash script. a script uses a loop with read command, to append lines to a text file. The other one, tail -f textfile. And its done. =) |
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| 22:38.42 | phy1729 | I have to install ethtool to have wake on lan? |
| 22:39.54 | Fivuk | Does anyone know if eggdrop can use an http proxy? |
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| 22:40.31 | Fivuk | Or if thats off topic does anyone know some software that'll force all connections (FIREWALL) through a proxy on debian? |
| 22:40.47 | digdilem | Fivuk, tsocks |
| 22:40.56 | digdilem | for a socks proxy, at least |
| 22:41.28 | Fivuk | tsocks? What does that do digdilem ? |
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| 22:41.55 | digdilem | run 'tsocks application' and it'll wrap any traffic from application through its configured socks proxy |
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| 22:42.23 | digdilem | if you're just anonymising, run tor and torsocks to do the same thing for any app that doesn't support proxies natively |
| 22:42.50 | Fivuk | Tor is banned on the network i want to use it on but I have a list of http proxies that are not. |
| 22:42.57 | Fivuk | So the idea is to get the eggdrop on a proxy onto that network |
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| 22:43.48 | digdilem | didn't know people still used eggdrop. |
| 22:44.36 | NathanM_ | On Wheezy, is there a way I can force ifplugd to start eth0 instead of skipping it? |
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| 22:44.40 | NathanM_ | At boot |
| 22:45.22 | OldParr | i am running debian 6.0.7 how do i update to 7+ ? |
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| 22:46.11 | zykotick9 | !tell OldParr about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:53.19 | OldParr | zykotick9: thank you: the identifier squeeze appears several times in /etc/apt/sources.list ( http://paste.debian.net/21136/ ) do i must change every one of them ? |
| 22:53.48 | Dllbrt | I just discovered a strange omission from the Debian repository. Where's libtermcap and libtermcap-devel? |
| 22:53.56 | vectr0n | OldParr: that would be correct |
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| 22:56.23 | OldParr | vectr0n: thank you: why do i have to manually upgrade to wheezy if my system is fully updated, i update it as soon as possible always |
| 22:58.00 | vectr0n | OldParr: your welcome, to be honest I have no idea why we have to do it manually, someone else might be able to answer that better then myself, I can only imagine it would cause some issues w/ certain systems |
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| 23:03.34 | OldParr | if i use an netinst installation DVD from the time of debian 6, the installed system will be 6 or 7+ ? |
| 23:04.08 | vectr0n | OldParr: It would be 6, you would then have to update the source.list w/ wheezy again |
| 23:04.15 | vectr0n | OldParr: would be easier to download a netinstall of 7.1.0 |
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| 23:05.26 | OldParr | vectr0n: which is the faster choice to format again or doing an upgrade ? |
| 23:06.14 | vectr0n | OldParr: I personally would go w/ the upgrade as you won't have to resetup everything, and it would prob be a bit quicker, depends on your hardware and network connection as well |
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| 23:06.31 | NathanM_ | I found a solution; I added "auto eth0" to /etc/network/interfaces. That, for whatever reason, causes the boot process to wait while eth0 gets an address from DHCP |
| 23:06.36 | OldParr | thanks |
| 23:06.45 | vectr0n | OldParr: your welcome :) |
| 23:07.33 | mlubin | how do I go about taking over a package that's up for adoption? |
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| 23:09.00 | OldParr | can anyone confirm that a system installed on the present time, by means of netinst DVD from the time of debian 6., will be 6 or 7+ ? |
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| 23:21.06 | vectr0n | OldParr: I am 99.9% sure its going to be 6 |
| 23:21.08 | GRMrGecko | I've been trying to get udev/autofs to work by following https://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Autofs, and https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Map_Custom_Device_Entries_with_udev |
| 23:21.30 | verysoftoiletppr | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'armhf' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386) |
| 23:21.33 | verysoftoiletppr | help |
| 23:21.46 | verysoftoiletppr | trying to cross compile a kernel in a debian wheezy machine |
| 23:22.22 | GRMrGecko | I'm using Debain version 7. As far as I understand it, you use udev to make a link to the actual device at boot or when the device is plugged in. But apparently I do not see the link at all in /dev/ after running /etc/init.d/udev restart or udevadm control --reload-rules |
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| 23:24.16 | GRMrGecko | I tried turning on debug in logging, but I do not see anything that is useful at least to me. |
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| 23:28.10 | GRMrGecko | Here is my log from udev http://p.webra.in/ot |
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| 23:29.33 | GRMrGecko | This is my udev config in 00-custom.rules http://p.webra.in/ou |
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| 23:32.29 | GRMrGecko | \msg *logsqlite donottrack |
| 23:32.40 | GRMrGecko | opps |
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| 23:38.47 | Linuturk | how would one install debian testing from the installation media? |
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| 23:39.59 | victor____ | hi guys, I just need some help, when I connect my debian machine trough VPN I lost any contact with it in my LAN, what can I do? |
| 23:40.03 | _blackjack_ | excuse me |
| 23:40.23 | _blackjack_ | im using a vps which is debian, i still have one ipv4 to use |
| 23:40.38 | GRMrGecko | Udev is not working for me. My 00-custom.rules is http://p.webra.in/ou Debug output is http://p.webra.in/ot I do not see any links being created whenever I reload the rules or restart udev daemon. I checked /dev and I do not see usbdrive anything. |
| 23:40.38 | _blackjack_ | how do i use it? |
| 23:40.52 | _blackjack_ | do i need to set it up first? |
| 23:41.10 | magikman | victor____: what type of VPN? |
| 23:41.13 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: you would need to create and eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:41.17 | vectr0n | an* |
| 23:41.21 | victor____ | openvpn |
| 23:42.17 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: this should help you https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
| 23:42.24 | _blackjack_ | okay |
| 23:42.26 | magikman | victor____: you can't ping it? |
| 23:42.33 | magikman | no ARP? |
| 23:42.43 | victor____ | just when I connect it to vpn I can't ping it |
| 23:42.44 | _blackjack_ | thanks alot vectr0n |
| 23:42.53 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: your welcome :) |
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| 23:43.39 | GRMrGecko | Do I have to unplug and plug back in the USB device for it to work? If so I can't test that for another 2 hours as I'm not home. |
| 23:43.46 | _blackjack_ | and if i want to point that ip to a subdomain, its only where i need to modify? Or still i need to call my vps for support about it? |
| 23:44.14 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: you would need to set the subdomain up w/ your dns provider for that IP address |
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| 23:44.35 | magikman | victor____: what do your firewall rules look like ? |
| 23:44.44 | magikman | iptables --list -nv |
| 23:44.56 | victor____ | magikman: sorry man for my ignorance but how can I see that? |
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| 23:45.37 | magikman | with the command i posted just above your previous question. |
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| 23:48.23 | victor____ | magikman: http://pastebin.com/Ama5yGuA |
| 23:49.29 | Fivuk | A man once said "So it's all about being greedy?" His brother replied "No it's just all about not getting ripped off!" His replied "So it is about being greedy then? His brother said "No, it's just about making sure you get a good days pay". Who's right? |
| 23:50.00 | _blackjack_ | vectr0n, i can see my alternete ipv4 on "auto venet0:1" and my original used ipv4 address on "auto venet0:0" |
| 23:50.04 | _blackjack_ | is that normal? hehe |
| 23:50.24 | _blackjack_ | also in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:50.26 | magikman | iptables --list -nv -t nat |
| 23:51.16 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: you want the instructions under those |
| 23:51.32 | vectr0n | nm openvz vps? |
| 23:51.41 | _blackjack_ | yes |
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| 23:52.00 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: then yes you should see it as either :0 or :1 depending what you made it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:52.31 | Donman50 | have a donut |
| 23:52.33 | _blackjack_ | but still i need to create an eth0? |
| 23:53.18 | _blackjack_ | eth0:0 on /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 23:53.38 | _blackjack_ | errr ok brb, need to read more |
| 23:53.42 | victor____ | magikman: http://pastebin.com/h9HcsqEC |
| 23:54.12 | vectr0n | _blackjack_: no openvz doesn't have the eth0 i apologize it should just be the venet0 |
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| 23:56.35 | _blackjack_ | ok |
| 23:57.05 | _blackjack_ | but how do i edit it? Is it hard? :P |
| 23:57.14 | _blackjack_ | dunno which lines to change |
| 23:57.16 | _blackjack_ | lol |
| 23:57.48 | _blackjack_ | or maybe its already set, i just dont know how to activate it |
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