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| 00:02.23 | Leonassan | I just entered a static entry for eth1 that will make the DHCP server always give it 10.0.0.1. Eat it DHCP. |
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| 00:04.42 | orzo | Is it alright to configure a call to ifup from within the up commands of an interface so that it might (or might not) bring up another interface as well? |
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| 00:08.33 | Pendrag0n | Guys, I use cryptmount & luks/fstab/mount on linux, and truecrypt on windows. |
| 00:08.49 | Pendrag0n | Is there a way to open the luks crypt drive on windows? |
| 00:09.09 | orzo | sure, use virtualbox |
| 00:09.41 | Pendrag0n | That's allot of freaking work just to get 2 files into the cryptfile |
| 00:09.48 | Pendrag0n | I just don't want to upload them over open lines |
| 00:09.51 | Pendrag0n | so to speak |
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| 00:10.26 | orzo | well i can't help |
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| 00:19.57 | DANtheBEASTman | where do I add synclient options? I image there's some file in /etc that I should add a few lines to, is it Xorg.conf or is there something better? |
| 00:20.18 | DANtheBEASTman | ^image^imagine |
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| 00:31.52 | OldParr | my new wheezy does not shows any icon on gnome upper menu bar, is there any popular solution for this? |
| 00:32.25 | OldParr | the functionality is there when i click blindly |
| 00:32.32 | dvs | OldParr: Welcome to GNOME 3! |
| 00:32.39 | DANtheBEASTman | OldParr: are you talking about desktop icons? |
| 00:32.54 | OldParr | DANtheBEASTman: no . |
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| 00:33.25 | OldParr | i am talking about the small icon in the upper bar that i used to click |
| 00:33.45 | OldParr | the functions are there if you click blindly |
| 00:33.57 | Skamasle | hi |
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| 00:34.53 | OldParr | dvs: thank you for your kind words |
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| 00:36.38 | edju | Running testing. Cannot print envelopes. OJ 8100, hplip 3.13.4-1+b1. hp-check says "debian-testing is not supported. Using Debian 6.0.7 versions dependencies to verify and install" A bunch of dependency errors, either not installed or incompatible versions for the cups stuff. I don't know if the envelope problem is related to that or not - other than envelopes it prints fine. I'm thinking of running hp-doctor, but not sur |
| 00:36.38 | edju | e it's safe what with Squeeze versions and all. Any advice? |
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| 00:36.52 | DANtheBEASTman | OldParr: oh, well that's definitely not normal. which build of gnome 3 are you running? |
| 00:36.53 | Th0masR0ss | During an aptitude command, I get this twice: sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory |
| 00:37.35 | Th0masR0ss | oh never mind |
| 00:37.37 | ImaLamer_ | edju: is it possible to satisfy some of those dependencies? |
| 00:38.11 | Skamasle | thomasross maybe you are on deleted dir |
| 00:38.18 | Skamasle | try cd /home |
| 00:38.26 | OldParr | DANtheBEASTman: i upgraded yesterday from squeeze i ithink is the latest version |
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| 00:38.28 | Skamasle | and run aptitude again |
| 00:38.43 | Th0masR0ss | Skamasle: that was the problem. |
| 00:38.44 | Th0masR0ss | 6 |
| 00:38.58 | edju | ImaLamer_, Well, I can install the pkgs, but they'll be Squeeze versions, I guess. Any alternatives to hplip? |
| 00:39.00 | Skamasle | :) |
| 00:40.07 | ImaLamer_ | edju: did you force installing this in testing? |
| 00:40.13 | ImaLamer_ | ,v hplip |
| 00:40.14 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1; jessie: 3.13.4-1+b1; sid: 3.13.4-1+b1 |
| 00:40.35 | edju | ImaLamer_, No, just apt-get install. |
| 00:42.19 | OldParr | i love the new gnome is really , chalenging |
| 00:43.13 | OldParr | how can see when software update is available now? |
| 00:43.47 | ImaLamer_ | OldParr: XFce seems to be an alternative that is popular now because it feels a lot like Gnome2 |
| 00:44.18 | ImaLamer_ | edju: i'm looking online for solutions but don't see much |
| 00:45.18 | edju | ImaLamer_, I know, I've been all over the web. But, just found a web page ( for Arch linux) that says the hp printer may be setup just using cups. I'll try/ |
| 00:45.53 | ImaLamer_ | edju: which printer is it? |
| 00:46.09 | edju | ImaLamer_, Officejet Jet 8100. |
| 00:46.24 | ImaLamer_ | just realized OJ = OfficeJet |
| 00:46.54 | ImaLamer_ | what is the issue with envelopes exactly though |
| 00:47.25 | edju | ImaLamer_, Funny that testing would bring down hplip when it doesn't support testing but is built on Squeeze. |
| 00:48.01 | ImaLamer_ | i'm confused as to why there are dependency issues with this package |
| 00:48.26 | ImaLamer_ | does running 'apt-get -f install' want to fix dependency issues? |
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| 00:50.36 | edju | -f install comes up blank. |
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| 00:51.42 | ImaLamer_ | HP's open source pages say hplip is your best bet |
| 00:51.45 | edju | I could install the pkgs, that's not the problwm - but hplip will look for different li versions s than teting woud install. |
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| 00:52.20 | edju | *li*lib* |
| 00:52.33 | ImaLamer_ | hrm |
| 00:52.57 | ImaLamer_ | inside the package, however, should contain the files needed to install HP printers with CUPS (or so it seems to me) |
| 00:53.21 | ImaLamer_ | edju: trying to help ya, though I hate messing with printers in general |
| 00:54.52 | edju | I know the feeling. I can install the printer with cups alone, I guess. Not sure it's as versatile as hplip. |
| 00:55.23 | edju | I'm not even sure it's a software problem |
| 00:55.38 | ImaLamer_ | where does it fail in printing to an envelope? |
| 00:59.05 | edju | Well, let's see. I call the word processor's envelope template. put an envelope in the tray, push print - nothing happens except an error msg - something about unknown size. I take the envelope out of the tray, and have just 8.5x11 paper, the e"envelope prints. |
| 00:59.31 | Leonassan | Anyone here good with openvpn? their channel is very quiet and I'm very stuck. |
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| 00:59.47 | ImaLamer_ | edju: could the paper size be defined wrong (or margins be running over) causing the problem? |
| 01:00.50 | edju | ImaLamer_, I know, I've checked that - the size is correctly defined - no. 10 envelope. |
| 01:01.59 | edju | Oh, well - maybe I'll just let hp-doctor do its thing, and if the system falls, I'll just have to straighten it out. |
| 01:02.15 | edju | Thanks. |
| 01:02.34 | ImaLamer_ | edju: either the printer isn't detecting it right or the system is sending it some out of bounds size in transit |
| 01:02.54 | ImaLamer_ | i hate printers and sometimes wifi because it can just be FM |
| 01:03.20 | edju | I agree with both statements. |
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| 01:04.18 | ImaLamer_ | that's a navy term (or i've been told by radar ops)... and this is OT, sorry |
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| 01:26.55 | max192mb | can anyone recommend me a light and fast graphical web browser that is something in between dillo and midori? |
| 01:27.14 | ImaLamer_ | idk what those are |
| 01:28.52 | ImaLamer_ | oh i see |
| 01:29.34 | ImaLamer_ | is epiphany too heavy to run? |
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| 01:34.54 | jmcnaught | max192mb: midori is probably your best bet. have you tried links2? |
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| 01:35.53 | max192mb | links2 is not a graphical web browser |
| 01:36.15 | jmcnaught | max192mb: it has text and graphical modes |
| 01:37.18 | max192mb | jmcnaught, links2 is not what i am after because it is not better than dillo |
| 01:37.38 | jmcnaught | max192mb: right. midori is probably your best bet |
| 01:38.32 | max192mb | i do not want to use midori |
| 01:39.19 | jmcnaught | max192mb: there's also arora which is a lot like midori but done in Qt instead of GTK |
| 01:39.43 | max192mb | what about qupzilla? |
| 01:41.18 | jmcnaught | max192mb: i've never heard of that one, but judging from its website it would be pretty similar to arora. Arora is also in the debian repos |
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| 01:45.48 | max192mb | any tips about saving memory on a Pentium II laptop running wheezy? i have disabled all unneeded services, i use a light window manager (icewm), i only have 2 ttys enabled. |
| 01:46.45 | max192mb | the ancient laptop can support a maximum of 192MB RAM, which the actual amount of RAM it has |
| 01:48.35 | max192mb | arora is dead low on my Pentium 2 laptop |
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| 01:49.28 | max192mb | arora is dead slow on my Pentium 2 192 MB RAM laptop |
| 01:49.46 | jmcnaught | any web browser is going to be, except for the ones like dillo and links2 that don't do very much modern web standards stuff |
| 01:51.29 | jmcnaught | back when my computer had that little RAM, i spent most of my time on the TTY and only used X11 (by running startx) to use Netscape for websites that wouldn't display in lynx. it was a good learning experience |
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| 01:52.11 | max192mb | Netscape? That was in the 90s when a Pentium 2 laptop was a very powerful machine |
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| 01:53.53 | max192mb | any tips about saving memory on a Pentium II 192MB RAM (maximum supported) laptop running wheezy? i have disabled all unneeded services, i use a light window manager (icewm), i only have 2 ttys enabled. |
| 01:55.10 | max192mb | Netscape? That was in the 90s when a Pentium 2 laptop was a very powerful machine and 192MB was plenty of memory! |
| 01:55.27 | jmcnaught | max192mb: not sure if it's intentional, but you're repeating yourself |
| 01:55.48 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you should look into how richard stallman browses the web :) |
| 01:56.22 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i am not His Holiness, i am just a desktop newbie GNU/Linux user |
| 02:01.03 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i've just uninstalled arora. it sucks! it sucks memory like no browser i've ever used! |
| 02:02.27 | max192mb | jmcnaught, are you there? |
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| 02:03.23 | jmcnaught | max192mb: well unfortunately your options are pretty limited. i used to run midori on my openmoko (which is a lot less powerful than your computer). it was very slow, but that's old computer for you |
| 02:04.27 | max192mb | jmcnaught, any tips about saving memory on a Pentium II 192MB RAM (maximum supported) laptop running wheezy? i have disabled all unneeded services, i use a light window manager (icewm), i only have 2 ttys enabled. |
| 02:04.28 | jmcnaught | you may want to consider using something like dillo or links2 for regular browsing, or perhaps an RSS aggregtor for reading news, and use midori for websites that need modern features like javascript to work |
| 02:05.54 | max192mb | midori kept mishaving on my pentium 2 laptop so i removed it |
| 02:08.17 | max192mb | dillo an links2 are not the alternatives i am after. chromium is dead slow and crashed all the time (out of memory errors) |
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| 02:13.25 | jmcnaught | max192mb: try disabling javascript? also i found that the adblock extention for midori slowed things to a crawl. |
| 02:14.10 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i am not talking now about web browsing but system configuration to save precious memory |
| 02:16.06 | james41382 | i was installing a package using apt-get and it "froze" in the middle of the installation. should i simply kill the process, then purge and retry? |
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| 02:20.05 | jmcnaught | james41382: what package? did it freeze while downloading, or during the unpacking or set up phase? does apt (or dpkg or something related) still seem to be working if you check from top or another system monitor? |
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| 02:23.35 | james41382 | jmcnaught: i killed the apt and dpkg process, but it was just the non free flash plugin. i've installed it a few times before and it's quick, but the hard drive light wasn't active so i checked in top and there was no activity with the process'. after i killed the two process' i tried to apt-get purge and it said run "dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem" so i did and now it's just sitting again, like before. |
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| 02:27.00 | james41382 | jmcnaught: it finally failed: "link to Adobe Flash Player not found on http://www.adobe.com/ at get-upstream-version.pl line 51." then "ERROR: failed to get upstream version". |
| 02:27.08 | jmcnaught | james41382: it could be stalling on the download of the actually plugin |
| 02:27.49 | jmcnaught | james41382: indeed.. perhaps the debian package is pointing to a version of flash that's no longer on adobe's servers |
| 02:28.37 | james41382 | jmcnaught: that's what i was thinking. like the file is no longer there, but then i read the debian install instructions and it says to use this command "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" |
| 02:28.57 | james41382 | jmcnaught: nv |
| 02:29.02 | james41382 | nm* |
| 02:29.30 | jmcnaught | james41382: can you remove it instead of purging? |
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| 02:30.33 | james41382 | jmcnaught: after it failed i purged and then tried again, but it hangs at the same spot: "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.2) ..." |
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| 02:34.49 | jmcnaught | james41382: did you run apt-get update before? |
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| 02:37.24 | james41382 | jmcnaught: after this most recent install i have already edited sources.list and updated and i've been downloading and install packages successfully. |
| 02:38.31 | jmcnaught | james41382: i just installed flashplugin-nonfree in a VM and it worked for me |
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| 02:40.26 | james41382 | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=WZB5S9WZ |
| 02:42.18 | jmcnaught | james41382: is there anything on your network that might be blocking the attempt to download from adobe? |
| 02:43.07 | james41382 | jmcnaught: i don't think so. i recently changed the firmware on the router to dd-wrt, but that shouldn't be an issue. |
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| 02:44.24 | james41382 | jmcnaught: look here http://pastebin.com/1QAVA9gk |
| 02:45.42 | jmcnaught | james41382: your 2nd paste looks like it worked to me |
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| 02:46.35 | james41382 | jmcnaught: wierd. anyways.. thanks as always! =] going to shower... |
| 02:49.49 | guest09 | if I want to run a script with a command that would require me to enter "sudo" when I enter it at the prompt normally, how should it get entered in the script then, particularly when I want to create the script to run when booting? |
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| 02:50.33 | guest09 | IOW, how to handle sudo when making a script? |
| 02:51.49 | guest09 | if I stick sudo inside the script, it seems like it would not complete because it wants the user's password at that point. |
| 02:53.00 | jmcnaught | guest09: where are you putting the script? if it runs at boot, it's probably running as root already (no need for sudo) |
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| 02:56.33 | guest09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.19 | guest09 | would that not take care of it? |
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| 02:57.24 | jmcnaught | guest09: i think that'll work without needing sudo |
| 02:57.30 | guest09 | jmcnaught: |
| 02:58.04 | guest09 | thanks, I just don't want it to hang at boot and me end up stuck like that. |
| 02:58.29 | guest09 | thank you, jmcnaught :) |
| 02:58.31 | jmcnaught | guest09: i suggest you look at some of the other scripts in /etc/init.d. you might need to have the script handle arguments like "start, stop, restart" |
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| 02:59.30 | guest09 | jmcnaught: okay, will do. I was mostly wondering about the sudo issue because I could not find any mention of it so far. |
| 03:00.13 | guest09 | take care then |
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| 03:17.05 | jubei | hello. I am trying to unmount /home so I can resize the LVM |
| 03:17.27 | jubei | but it refuses to unmount because I'm ssh'd into the machine and lsof shows /home/jubei as being "open" |
| 03:17.38 | jubei | i tried umount -f ... still doesn't work |
| 03:18.08 | jmcnaught | jubei: are you following a guide? i think some filesystems can be resized without unmounting |
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| 03:19.14 | nAn00k | hi |
| 03:19.18 | jmcnaught | jubei: try looking for "online lvm resize" or similar |
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| 03:21.02 | jubei | jmcnaught, I already googled but they all say I must unmount |
| 03:21.18 | jubei | but I'm pretty sure I can do it without unmounting |
| 03:21.27 | jmcnaught | jubei: file system is it? ext4? |
| 03:21.40 | jubei | ext3 |
| 03:21.42 | jmcnaught | jubei: also make sure you've got backups! |
| 03:22.50 | jmcnaught | jubei: this is a guide i followed about a year ago. i think you can grow ext3 and ext4 without unmounting, but you need to unmount to shrink |
| 03:23.08 | jmcnaught | http://www.tcpdump.com/kb/os/linux/lvm-resizing-guide/all-pages.html |
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| 03:31.51 | jubei | jmcnaught, great! the thing is that it won't let me unmount /home :/ |
| 03:33.02 | jubei | I guess I need to ssh as root |
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| 03:36.21 | jmcnaught | jubei: or use the "su" command |
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| 03:36.34 | jubei | jmcnaught, ok thanks |
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| 03:36.46 | jmcnaught | jubei: if you're growing to the filesystem do you still need to umount? |
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| 03:37.29 | jmcnaught | jubei: also if this is a server that people depend on, you should test on a different machine first if you're unsure |
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| 03:38.04 | jmcnaught | jubei: maybe test on a virtual machine with two small virtual hard disks? |
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| 03:38.56 | jubei | jmcnaught, the thing is I don't have access to the host O/S |
| 03:39.03 | jubei | jmcnaught, if I did I would just add a new virtual disk |
| 03:39.10 | jubei | jmcnaught, and be done with it |
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| 03:39.48 | jmcnaught | jubei: i mean test locally. try to simulate the remote system on your computer at home, using a VM |
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| 03:40.22 | jubei | jmcnaught, yeah, ok I might do that |
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| 03:41.50 | jmcnaught | jubei: even better than testing it at home first, is once you've verified it works you can put the steps into a bash script, so the process will be automated on the remote system. it greatly reduces the chances of human error :) |
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| 03:44.23 | jmcnaught | had to learn this lesson the hard way, more than once. |
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| 03:44.45 | jubei | :) |
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| 03:54.52 | nAn00k | kicked for that |
| 03:55.42 | ex0a | if i want to add grsecurity to 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64, do i have to compile my own kernel or is it something that a module could insert support for? if i have to build my own kernel, can i do that based off the 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 kernel so that i just have to add the grsec support and not fiddle through all the kernel options that i probably shouldn't mess with on a semi-production machine? |
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| 04:34.12 | jubei | jmcnaught, online resizing worked like a charm :) |
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| 05:01.35 | elkingrey | I'm considering purchasing a specific wireless n usb adapter but I need to know in advance whether or not it will work with Debian without nonfree software. How can I tell? |
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| 05:10.54 | Yukikaze | elkingrey: USB? |
| 05:13.11 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: the package firmware-linux-free has a list of firmwares that it includes. is the chipset for the adapter in that list? |
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| 05:15.27 | elkingrey | Dang. I need a 1-2 Watt Wireless N adapter. |
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| 05:18.42 | Yukikaze | elkingrey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers this could be helpful to you |
| 05:19.16 | jmcnaught | Yukikaze: nice link, thanks |
| 05:19.33 | Yukikaze | I don't personally have much experience with wifi adapters though |
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| 05:20.06 | Yukikaze | one thing I can say is to stay away from broadcom |
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| 05:23.08 | ayaka | I have to point out that most of wireless 802.11n hardware need a non-free firmware |
| 05:23.35 | ayaka | not only broadcom but also realtak and atheros |
| 05:25.16 | elkingrey | This sucks. There's got to be a high powered wifi adapter that is free software compatible. |
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| 05:28.57 | Yukikaze | ayaka: good to know (I don't use any wireless devices myself(the broadcom comment was because I don't think broadcom has released anything for any device that is not closed source(I use broadcom ethernet on 2 of my mobos))) |
| 05:29.01 | elkingrey | Haha! Think I found one. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alfa-AWUS036H-802-11b-Wireless-network/dp/B002WCEWU8 |
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| 05:29.35 | elkingrey | Question is how I can get the driver if I don't have a cd rom. |
| 05:29.36 | Yukikaze | that's not n |
| 05:29.42 | elkingrey | ahh damn |
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| 05:30.19 | ayaka | the driver is include in kernel |
| 05:30.37 | elkingrey | moot anyways. Forging on for N |
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| 05:31.10 | elkingrey | Hahah!! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alfa-AWUS036NH-Wireless-Long-Range-Screw-On/dp/B0041L3FI8/ref=pd_cp_computers_1/276-3467111-5621927 |
| 05:31.24 | ayaka | but I don't sure whether 3.2 kernel support it, I don't know which chip it use |
| 05:31.59 | elkingrey | How do we find out? |
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| 05:32.08 | ayaka | Yukikaze, in the past time, broadcom only can use madwifi which is half open source |
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| 05:33.13 | ayaka | Yukikaze, sorry, not the madwifi |
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| 05:33.47 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: it appears that card uses RTL8188RU chipset |
| 05:34.47 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: Is that good or bad? |
| 05:34.52 | n3rV3 | RTL older versions had some nasty bugs in drivers if i remember correctly |
| 05:35.20 | ayaka | for broadcom, it is sta, but now mac80211 support many broadcom soft-mac wireless card now |
| 05:35.33 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: well there are similar chipsets listed in that wikipedia link above as not requiring non-free firmware. however not that exact chipset |
| 05:35.46 | elkingrey | =( |
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| 05:37.20 | jmcnaught | that comparison of wifi drivers on wikipedia is an excellent reference |
| 05:38.01 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: How did you find which card it uses in the first place? |
| 05:38.40 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: i searched on google for the card + linux |
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| 05:41.01 | elkingrey | I see the fsf shows this model is long range, but I don't see anywhere what the wattage is. https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-w-external-antenna-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usbl |
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| 05:44.09 | jmcnaught | elkingrey: this page speculates that it's a rebrand of the alfa device you linked to above: http://wikidevi.com/wiki/ThinkPenguin_TPE-N150USBL |
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| 05:45.53 | elkingrey | jmcnaught: So, did I win?? |
| 05:46.30 | elkingrey | Which one of my links, the 1 watt or 2 watt? |
| 05:47.39 | jmcnaught | the n one |
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| 05:50.16 | elkingrey | Okay, it says it's upgradable to 9 dB. Do you believe there is any reason why I couldn't get 12 dB or higher hooked up for longer range? I'd like to clear 1 mile, if possible. |
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| 05:50.53 | jmcnaught | i don't know |
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| 05:56.23 | tx0h | hi |
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| 05:58.23 | tx0h | what if a maintainer is not responsive? the current iceape version is soooo old. seamonkey 2.19 is out and 2.20 in beta.. some people already hinted the maintainer but still nothing happened. |
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| 06:01.34 | tx0h | if someone commit as a maintainer of a package it should be a honor to keep the package up-to-date. |
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| 06:02.33 | ace | hi, I have a problem df told me / is full of 20gb and df tell me that only 2.gb is used: http://pastie.org/8202212 |
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| 06:04.51 | tx0h | du -sh / |
| 06:06.22 | ace | tx0h: i just want rootfs |
| 06:06.24 | ace | n |
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| 06:08.06 | tx0h | than trust in df |
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| 06:09.03 | tx0h | such a lame maintainer can really make a whole distro bad |
| 06:09.35 | ace | okay |
| 06:09.39 | tx0h | sighs |
| 06:09.44 | ace | i think it s a deleted file that was open http://perplexed.co.uk/546_df_falsely_showing_100_per_cent_disk_usage.htm |
| 06:13.47 | tx0h | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708852 |
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| 06:49.57 | Streusel | how does one release a command to the public so anybody can apt-get it? |
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| 07:12.51 | tx0h | i think you first need an account on debian.org :-) |
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| 07:14.16 | mjt | tx0h: it's not really necessary, anyone can ask for "package sponsorship" |
| 07:14.45 | mjt | http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 07:14.54 | tx0h | i just wish someone would take sponsorship for iceape (seamonkey) |
| 07:15.20 | mjt | um |
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| 07:15.43 | mjt | iceape is maintained by debian developers, why do you think it needs a sponsor? |
| 07:15.56 | mjt | do you want to hijack it and maintain it yourself? |
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| 07:16.10 | tx0h | i guess we 'netscape' users need to wait another 3 years for a update |
| 07:16.37 | tx0h | well, do i need an account? |
| 07:16.57 | tx0h | :-) |
| 07:17.15 | mjt | "sponsorship" in this context means that someone external to debian prepares a package and a debian developer who has rights to upload stuff into debian (sponsor) takes the package and uploads it |
| 07:17.29 | mjt | if you want to maintain iceape, first thing you need is the skills to do so |
| 07:17.46 | tx0h | it's not that hard. |
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| 07:18.19 | mjt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=iceape |
| 07:18.40 | mjt | if that's not hard, please go fix some of the bugs in there |
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| 07:18.54 | mjt | (bugfixing is part of maintenance process) |
| 07:19.14 | tx0h | i really don't know why the maintainer (the same who keeps iceweasel and webkit up-to-date) didn't care about iceape. |
| 07:20.00 | tx0h | look, the bugs at this page are related to stone age versions. |
| 07:20.00 | mjt | in that case iceape might be needed a maintainer, not a sponsor |
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| 07:20.45 | mjt | some bugs are really old |
| 07:21.05 | mjt | i'd say anything with number < 600000 |
| 07:21.17 | mjt | or at least 500000 |
| 07:21.44 | tx0h | i would say everything lower than 700000 |
| 07:21.52 | mjt | definitely not |
| 07:21.56 | tx0h | sure |
| 07:22.06 | tx0h | it's all releated to old versions. |
| 07:22.13 | mjt | and what? |
| 07:22.27 | tx0h | and they might be fixed in recent version. |
| 07:22.27 | mjt | has it all been fixed in current version? |
| 07:22.33 | mjt | so go and verify it? |
| 07:22.42 | mjt | ok, this is really pointless. |
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| 07:24.35 | tx0h | so many things in the whole environmend changed in the last 1/2 year. you can't say that any of the bug reports will hold with a recent build. |
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| 07:25.01 | tx0h | and yes, it's pointless. |
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| 07:26.13 | tx0h | as i said before: such a lame maintainer can really make a whole distro bad |
| 07:26.27 | tx0h | your argument: do it better. |
| 07:26.53 | tx0h | and this is pointless |
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| 07:35.15 | R0SSI | Is here any exprienced user of ffmpeg here, at this time? I want to replace a video with black frame! I googled and found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/6087453 May you review this command: |
| 07:35.15 | R0SSI | ffmpeg -loop 1 -shortest -f image2 -i image.jpg -i audio.wav -c:v libx264 -tune stillimage -c:a aac -strict experimental -b:a 192k out.mp4 |
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| 07:38.49 | tx0h | have you tired on #ffmpeg ? |
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| 07:45.47 | ayaka | R0SSI, I have to mention that in debian, we use libav instead of ffmpeg, so the cmd is avconv |
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| 07:48.12 | R0SSI | ayaka: So, you mean I should install ffmpeg? |
| 07:48.14 | R0SSI | FFMPEG vs ACONV -> Is their syntax different? |
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| 07:49.46 | ayaka | R0SSI, no, just avconv |
| 07:49.47 | R0SSI | tx0h: yes, I'm online there for hours and waiting. It seems it's their bed time when here noon exactly! 12:19 |
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| 07:50.25 | R0SSI | replacing ffmpeg with avconv in the command? |
| 07:51.06 | ayaka | yes, but I am not sure whether it wil work as there is some different from avconv to ffmpeg |
| 07:51.40 | R0SSI | Is there any special channel for avconv on freenode or somewhere? |
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| 07:52.00 | R0SSI | #avconv is not there! |
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| 07:52.07 | mjt | avconv? that's libav right? |
| 07:53.01 | mjt | libav-tools. that'd be #videolan I guess.. ;) |
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| 07:54.55 | R0SSI | ok, I'll ask them. thank you |
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| 09:10.49 | mjt | ok. how sound is _supposed_ to work in debian? Some apps works only when pulse is installed, some does not work when pulse is installed... what's the _supposed_ way? |
| 09:11.35 | mjt | (and without pulse, i have to manually chmod /dev/snd/* or else it always results in permission denied) |
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| 09:14.04 | superlinux-hp | mjt, use ALSA only |
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| 09:14.57 | mjt | superlinux-hp: and chmod /dev/snd on every vt switch? |
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| 09:15.10 | mjt | that's hugely inconvinient... ;) |
| 09:15.27 | superlinux-hp | mjt, you should put your account in the audio group |
| 09:15.48 | superlinux-hp | that's all i know.. ask me no more. |
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| 09:15.53 | mjt | heh ok |
| 09:16.12 | mjt | i remember reading somewhere that using audio group is wrong, and indeed it was |
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| 09:16.37 | mjt | like, when there are two or more users logged in and you switch VTs from one to another |
| 09:17.01 | mjt | (exactly my situation, this PC is used by me and my wife) |
| 09:17.45 | superlinux-hp | not sure. I put myself in the audio group and it works |
| 09:18.06 | mjt | it works when you're the only user |
| 09:18.33 | superlinux-hp | this means you need to setup your ALSA to be a mixer |
| 09:18.44 | mjt | not really |
| 09:18.48 | mjt | it's already mixing stuff |
| 09:19.09 | superlinux-hp | so? |
| 09:19.22 | superlinux-hp | I am stuck here. I cannot help then. |
| 09:19.28 | mjt | when pulse is running, when i switch VTs, sound "from" one gets suspended and from another get's resumed |
| 09:19.42 | mjt | with alsa both continue playing |
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| 09:20.05 | superlinux-hp | and that what should happen naturally, both should work |
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| 09:20.32 | mjt | well, i'd say pulse does it right |
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| 09:20.58 | mjt | and especially things gets VERY funny when you log in from remote |
| 09:21.16 | mjt | without pulse audio is played on the remote not locally |
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| 09:28.48 | miadbahrami | help me for : debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 09:31.24 | mumpitze1 | miadbahrami: sudo ps aux |grep deb; sudo ps aux |grep dpkg |
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| 09:33.29 | miadbahrami | mumpitze1: http://dpaste.com/1329190/ |
| 09:34.22 | mumpitze1 | miadbahrami: as you can see you have a debconf instance running already. which is hwy it's locked |
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| 09:36.46 | miadbahrami | mumpitze1: how to unlock deb conf? |
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| 09:38.52 | mumpitze1 | by finishing the install that already runs |
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| 09:40.10 | SuperLag | I thought a "backport" meant you were going to make somehthing new work on something old. For example, making a current device driver work on a 2.4 kernel. If that's the case, why when I do an update do I see one of the repos labeled with the name "-backports"? |
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| 09:42.13 | mumpitze1 | SuperLag: you see it cause you have put it into your sources.list. and it's a repository of various premade backports |
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| 09:43.31 | mamed | debian 7.0 with xfce fglrx-driver problem . after installing the drivers i cannot see lightdm but a black screenwith a blinking curosr |
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| 09:44.20 | mumpitze1 | mamed: what videocard? |
| 09:45.17 | mamed | ati readon mumixam |
| 09:45.23 | mamed | sorry mumpitze1 |
| 09:48.49 | mumpitze1 | mamed: that's not a videocard, that's a brand name |
| 09:49.10 | mumpitze1 | mamed: lspci -nn |
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| 09:49.25 | mamed | hmm lspci -nn | grep VGA output : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV620 [Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series] [1002:95c4] |
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| 09:50.07 | mumpitze1 | mamed: fglrx only works for videocards radeon 5000 series and higher. use the "radeon" driver |
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| 09:50.18 | mamed | hmm |
| 09:50.25 | mamed | wht is the package |
| 09:50.49 | mumpitze1 | radeon is what is used out of the box. no configuration needed |
| 09:51.18 | mamed | so i remove the fglrx-driver package |
| 09:52.58 | redintellect | nvidia-glx is giving me a headache |
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| 09:54.01 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: if you want help, just say so and give useful information |
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| 09:54.29 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I remove noveaou, I installed nvidia-g;x |
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| 09:54.50 | redintellect | mumpitze1, my graphic card is |
| 09:54.57 | mamed | mumpitze1, i removed the fglrx-driver but i need a mdule to install which one must i install |
| 09:55.28 | redintellect | mumpitze1, GF108 Geforce GT 520M |
| 09:55.58 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I ran nvidia-xconfig after the installation of nvidia-glx which was suggested by nvidia-detect |
| 09:56.00 | redintellect | I rebooted |
| 09:56.17 | redintellect | It gives me a black screen with a bleeping cursur |
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| 09:56.47 | redintellect | mamed, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 09:56.52 | mamed | ok |
| 09:56.57 | mamed | thank you so much redintellect |
| 09:57.15 | redintellect | mamed, ;) |
| 09:57.22 | mamed | i am new to debian |
| 09:57.33 | redintellect | mamed, me too ;) |
| 09:57.33 | mamed | but appreciate for your help |
| 09:57.37 | mamed | lolz |
| 09:57.46 | mamed | in ubuntu i directly install the fglrx-driver |
| 09:58.34 | redintellect | mamed, yea ubuntu devs did a lot to make it more user friendly, however it is getting more and more resource-consuming |
| 09:58.43 | mamed | yep |
| 09:58.51 | mamed | that is why switched to debian |
| 09:59.05 | mamed | no youutbe flash problems and less mem |
| 09:59.23 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: how did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 09:59.24 | mamed | i think i must learn lots of things about debian system |
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| 09:59.41 | zoplrdb | Read the debian administration guide |
| 09:59.42 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: you need to delete your xorg config files again |
| 09:59.46 | mamed | ok now i am rebooting my system hope it works |
| 09:59.56 | mamed | zoplrdb, is it an pdf? |
| 10:00.00 | zoplrdb | yes |
| 10:00.02 | zoplrdb | hold on |
| 10:00.02 | mumpitze1 | netforce_: there is no need to reboot |
| 10:00.09 | mamed | i must download it |
| 10:00.10 | zoplrdb | mamed, http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 10:00.35 | mumpitze1 | mamed: you need to delete your xorg config files, make sure your radeon kms is not blacklisted and there is no need to reboot |
| 10:00.38 | zoplrdb | Its written for debian 6. The version for 7 will come out sometime later |
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| 10:00.45 | mamed | hmm |
| 10:00.52 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I used synaptic |
| 10:00.53 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: how did you install your nvidia drivers? from what site/repo? |
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| 10:01.12 | babilen | redintellect: You should read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (and forget about all those configuration tools, they are more likely to break things and generate a way too complicated setup file) |
| 10:01.20 | mamed | i deleted /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d dir |
| 10:01.21 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: what's in your xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/? is the nvidia module loaded? |
| 10:01.29 | mumpitze1 | mamed: you shouldn't have deleted it |
| 10:01.35 | mamed | why not |
| 10:01.42 | mamed | i created it |
| 10:01.44 | mumpitze1 | cause you might want it in the future |
| 10:01.51 | mamed | yes i know |
| 10:01.52 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I think that's the problem |
| 10:02.02 | redintellect | mumpitze1, when I run dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx |
| 10:02.02 | mamed | i will recreate it later |
| 10:02.18 | redintellect | mumpitze1, it returns: No diversion 'diversion of...' |
| 10:02.49 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: how is that a problem that glx shared libs need to be shuffled around? |
| 10:02.49 | redintellect | mumpitze1, and it's implying that nvidia modules are not loaded in xorg or at least doesn't exist in lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ |
| 10:03.09 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: answer the question and/or follow babilens advise. you are writing a lot of nonsense |
| 10:03.24 | redintellect | babilen, I did that on this system with GT 9500 and it worked fine |
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| 10:03.47 | mamed | ok i still have root@debian:/etc/modprobe.d# cat /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 10:03.48 | mamed | options radeon modeset=1 |
| 10:03.50 | redintellect | mumpitze1, it finds no screen, |
| 10:03.52 | babilen | redintellect: Seriously, if you want us to help you you *have* to provide more information. I have the impression that you were following some very, well, subtoptimal documentation and that you simply should take a look at our wiki. |
| 10:03.52 | mamed | so no problem den |
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| 10:04.54 | babilen | redintellect: "worked fine" "finds no screen" ? How does that add up -- If you want us to debug your problem we would need to see your xorg.conf (all of them if you have multiple in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log along with information on how *you* installed the driver. |
| 10:04.57 | mamed | wht about opengl wll they work also? |
| 10:05.09 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: I asked specific question. you are ignoring them and write a lot of bullshit. answer them or go away |
| 10:05.28 | mumpitze1 | *questions |
| 10:05.32 | mamed | sometimes confuses the read order of the files in linux |
| 10:06.09 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: if something about the questions is unclear or you don't know, say so. but don't write nonsense like you do |
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| 10:06.26 | redintellect | mumpitze1, would you please, explain the question? |
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| 10:06.40 | mamed | after reboot aym coming |
| 10:06.46 | mumpitze1 | what is to explain? you don't know how to check how amodule is loaded? |
| 10:06.57 | mumpitze1 | there are two questions. see above |
| 10:07.17 | babilen | (+ request for log and configuration files from me) |
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| 10:08.10 | babilen | redintellect: You can paste relevant information to http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com if you want to show us commands and their output in addition to the requested files. |
| 10:08.23 | mumpitze1 | and since you have no X right now: use pastebinit to do so |
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| 10:09.01 | mamed | now it is ok i saw my lightdm screen thank you so much redintellect mumpitze1 and other guys |
| 10:09.01 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I'll do that and will be back in 5 minutes. |
| 10:09.25 | mumpitze1 | good |
| 10:09.34 | mamed | my opengl app is wokring now. |
| 10:09.53 | mamed | mumpitze1, after installing debian there is no need to install fglrx right? |
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| 10:10.01 | mumpitze1 | not for your videocard, no |
| 10:10.07 | mamed | ah ok |
| 10:10.10 | mumpitze1 | you could install fglrx-legacy I guess |
| 10:10.16 | mamed | hmm |
| 10:10.22 | mamed | i will take a look at that pack |
| 10:10.43 | babilen | But then the radeon driver also allows for hardware 3d accelleration |
| 10:10.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell mamed -about radeon |
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| 10:10.56 | mamed | babilen, i know that |
| 10:11.39 | mamed | i want to ask anoter question. n ubuntu vlc media player which is qt based was taking time to open but in debian xfce4 it run asap |
| 10:11.52 | babilen | mamed: I have had no problems with the radeon driver in the past, but a common theme by people who use fglrx is that they praise its better energy management. I always found the hassle and broken systems associated with running a fglrx system to not be worth it. |
| 10:11.56 | mamed | can someone tell me the reason ? the reason is window compositor? |
| 10:12.25 | babilen | mamed: That being said: The configuration, installation and, in particular, compilation of the kernel module is much easier these days that we have DKMS, so ... ymmv |
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| 10:12.56 | mamed | hmm so we can create a qt based lightweight and elegant DE |
| 10:13.05 | mumpitze1 | babilen: and stuff like kms makes it harder again :) the devs giveth and the devs taketh :P |
| 10:13.47 | mamed | babilen, thanks |
| 10:14.43 | mamed | and i think ubuntu and debian use different drivers cause when i try to listen music in ubuntu with the high volume the sound qualiy of my speakers were bad in debian they are ok |
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| 10:15.19 | mumpitze1 | mamed: all linux distros use linux and therefore the same drivers |
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| 10:15.40 | mamed | hmm |
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| 10:25.38 | redintellect | mumpitze1, how do I check the loaded modules? |
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| 10:29.21 | mumpitze1 | lsmod |
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| 10:31.54 | redintellect | mumpitze1, the nvidia module is loaded. |
| 10:32.08 | mumpitze1 | then show us what babilen asked for |
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| 10:33.59 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I installed the driver using synaptic, then rebooted, then I saw a blank console, I will provide the other paste things now. |
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| 10:35.55 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I removed the xorg.conf |
| 10:36.21 | redintellect | mumpitze1, the old scripts in xorg.conf.d was removed after running nvidia-xconfig, I assume. |
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| 10:37.49 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: I don't know but doubt it |
| 10:39.57 | redintellect | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/22375 |
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| 10:41.58 | redintellect | mumpitze1, ignore that, sorry |
| 10:42.08 | redintellect | mumpitze1, that's the tweaked version |
| 10:43.23 | redintellect | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/22376 this is it |
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| 10:44.31 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: output of lsmod|grep nvidia;lspci -nn please |
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| 10:45.58 | katla | hello |
| 10:46.06 | katla | how can I get more understanding of pulseaudio? |
| 10:46.19 | katla | I haveit sort of working and a few programs to configure it but not enough |
| 10:46.23 | mumpitze1 | read its documentation, study its sourcecode? |
| 10:46.49 | redintellect | mumpitze1, lsmod|grep nvidia => nvidia 11239101 0 \n i2c_core 23876 7 i2c_i801, i2c_alog_bit, drm, drm_kms_helper, i915, videodev, nvidia |
| 10:47.52 | katla | are you serious about reading its source code |
| 10:47.54 | mumpitze1 | sounds like optimus. and I asked for more than just lsmod output |
| 10:47.54 | redintellect | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/22378 |
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| 10:48.05 | mumpitze1 | katla: you asked for learning, so yes |
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| 10:48.31 | katla | very strange |
| 10:48.33 | babilen | katla: You might want to be a bit more specific about what you to learn ;) |
| 10:49.07 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: optimus. won't work (well) in 90% of all cases. |
| 10:49.07 | redintellect | mumpitze1, and nvidia sticker on the laptop states: geforcce gt 520m Cuda 1gb |
| 10:49.10 | katla | i want to configure it better so that it works properly, right now different programs have to fight over the ability to play sound |
| 10:49.30 | redintellect | mumpitze1, oh so I should forget it and go with the sandybridge mobile yea? |
| 10:49.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell redintellect about bumblebee |
| 10:49.57 | mumpitze1 | depends. you can check for vgaswitcheroo and switch, maybe turn on the nvidia chip permanently in BIOS, etc |
| 10:50.10 | mumpitze1 | right now it's not configured to run which is why X won't work |
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| 10:51.19 | katla | mumpitze1, is this the documentation you were recommending I read http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/ |
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| 10:51.50 | redintellect | babilen, mumpitze1 thanks, didn't know it was optimus |
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| 10:54.20 | gingerism | hi, when i run debian 6.0 on my notebook my eth0(or wlan) gets disconnected between 1 and 10 mins and lose my network connection. i have no idea were to start looking. could someone point me in the right direction (running wheezy is not a option atm) |
| 10:54.47 | babilen | redintellect: Look into either configuring a single card in BIOS (which might not be possible) or into bumblebee that you can grab from wheezy-backports. Ask the bot about all the factoids in <foo>! |
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| 10:55.14 | babilen | gingerism: Have a tried the 3.2 kernel in squeeze-backports ? |
| 10:55.57 | gingerism | babilen: saidly enough its a live cd (tails) but i had the same problem when running squeeze. so i think its a debian issue |
| 10:56.08 | babilen | But then it shouldn't really affect both eth0 and wlan0 -- Might be that you have a conflict between network managing tools (network-manager, wicd, /etc/network/intferfaces) |
| 10:56.30 | mumpitze1 | katla: we can only give advice on the questions people ask. unspecified questions get unspecified answers. it's not unhelpful. |
| 10:56.31 | gingerism | hm i might look into that.. |
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| 10:56.56 | babilen | gingerism: Could you paste your /var/log/{messages,syslog,daemon.log} to http://paste.debian.net please for relevant output related to this issue please? |
| 10:57.00 | redintellect | babilen, thanks |
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| 10:57.23 | gingerism | babilen: sure one moment i need to re-boot |
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| 10:57.27 | mumpitze1 | katla: it's also rude to PM people unasked |
| 10:57.33 | mumpitze1 | !tell katla about PM |
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| 10:57.56 | mumpitze1 | katla: please stop messaging me. ideally, please ignore me and don't constantly PM me |
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| 10:58.29 | babilen | katla: Seriously, keep it in the channel and don't /msg people without asking them for permission first. Thank you! |
| 10:59.36 | katla | you guys are not nice to me :( |
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| 11:00.16 | mumpitze1 | you aren't nice either. and no we don't care if you use a female nick to get attention |
| 11:00.27 | babilen | katla: Just keep it in the channel. mumpitze1 asked you multiple times *in here* to do so and I am sure mentioned it in private too. It simply is considered to be rude behaviour. |
| 11:00.37 | babilen | Lets move on please. |
| 11:01.13 | katla | babilen, he never said anything to me in PM and I stopped msg'ing him the moment he asked me to stop |
| 11:01.33 | babilen | katla: As mentioned earlier: You have to be more specific about what you want to learn about PA. Reading its sourcecode surely is one way, but then that might not be what you want. Reading the Wikipedia page another as would be the documentation you linked earlier. |
| 11:01.47 | babilen | katla: Okay, fair enough. :) |
| 11:01.51 | katla | babilen, can you tell him off for sexist remarks |
| 11:02.12 | babilen | katla: Don't worry - I planned to already. |
| 11:02.15 | katla | thanks |
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| 11:05.10 | fkbm | Hello! :) Does anybody have the problem of the TTYs freezing after you kill X ? |
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| 11:05.40 | fkbm | As a matter of fact, after you start X... I'm trying to switch TTYs and only get blank screen. |
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| 11:07.12 | wodim | hello, what display manager should i use with xfce ? |
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| 11:07.43 | babilen | wodim: gdm3 or lightdm would both be alright |
| 11:08.00 | fkbm | wodim I'd use either lightdm or gdm3. Lightdm looks cuter. |
| 11:08.05 | babilen | fkbm: Which GPU/driver is that? (see "lspci -nn|grep -i vga") |
| 11:08.25 | fkbm | babilen: It's a Radeon. Let me see exactly |
| 11:08.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell fkbm -about radeon |
| 11:08.54 | mumpitze1 | fkbm: isn't gdm3 dragging a metric ton of gnome? which is kinda against the point of xfce? |
| 11:09.18 | fkbm | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks XT [Radeon HD 6670/7670] [1002:6758] |
| 11:09.22 | babilen | Sure, that's one of the reasons for lightdm to exist |
| 11:09.52 | fkbm | mumpitze1: I don't use any, but I do believe it only requires the core. Although I haven't installed it recently. |
| 11:09.53 | babilen | fkbm: Did you install the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri ? I've had that back in the day when KMS wasn't properly working due to missing firmware. |
| 11:10.48 | fkbm | I know I've installed fglrx though. |
| 11:10.57 | fkbm | OK... lemme see about mesa. |
| 11:12.27 | fkbm | libgl1-mesa-dri was "dragged" into by xserver-xorg-core which is depending on fglrx-driver |
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| 11:13.38 | mumpitze1 | fkbm: if you use/installed flgrx you can't use mesa anymore. flgrx brings its own glx libraries |
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| 11:13.50 | babilen | fkbm: Ah, well ... this is entirely pointless if you use fglrx as that is a completely different driver. Did you install and configure it according to https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ? |
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| 11:14.45 | fkbm | A, no... I just remembered I needed fglrx from way back, I didn't follow that tutorial. Should I? :D I'll give it a look now. |
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| 11:16.55 | babilen | fkbm: Well, why do you think you need fglrx? Did it work with radeon? |
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| 11:17.55 | babilen | I said a some time ago that I never deemed the hassle with fglrx to be worth it and happily used radeon, but then you should at least make sure to install and configure it in the supported way. |
| 11:18.22 | fkbm | Well I do have some OpenGL games installed and they're working nicely. So I guess the driver did work. |
| 11:18.29 | babilen | Also don't really have much experience with fglrx and will let other people debug this. Pasting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net might be a good idea too. |
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| 11:18.53 | fkbm | OK. Doing that now. |
| 11:19.01 | babilen | fkbm: radeon has native hardware 3d acceleration as well btw |
| 11:19.06 | babilen | bbl |
| 11:19.17 | fkbm | byes! :) |
| 11:19.23 | fkbm | And thank you! :) |
| 11:19.58 | babilen | fkbm: See you later :) |
| 11:20.10 | babilen | (but paste that, there are more people in this channel) |
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| 11:22.50 | fkbm | So this is my Xorg.0.log file http://paste.debian.net/22388/ |
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| 11:24.06 | fkbm | Does (EE) Could not get ConsoleMode help? (o.O) |
| 11:24.07 | redintellect | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 11:24.20 | redintellect | what should I change to use wheezy-backports |
| 11:24.24 | babilen | fkbm: Do us a favour and also include your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you still use this legacy configuration scheme) |
| 11:24.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell redintellect about wheezy-backports |
| 11:24.51 | babilen | redintellect: You probably want the line to end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 11:25.14 | fkbm | babilen: So the amdconfig --install I believe uses the legacy configuration scheme. I will post the paste in a minute. |
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| 11:25.56 | babilen | fkbm: Ah, I would neither recommend nor be able to support that. See the wiki page for the configuration file that you *really* need as Xorg configures the rest automagically. |
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| 11:26.34 | fkbm | http://paste.debian.net/22392/ |
| 11:27.01 | fkbm | OK, thank you very much babilen |
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| 11:29.14 | babilen | fkbm: Are you using wheezy? |
| 11:29.59 | babilen | fkbm: The error that you should look into is on line 168 in your paste. "(EE) fglrx(0): Failed to get ConsoleMode" -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712527 is a bug report about that in Debian |
| 11:31.34 | babilen | fkbm: It appears as if you are not running wheezy but testing or unstable. I would therefore recommend to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and read the aforementioned bug. |
| 11:32.02 | fkbm | Thanks! I thought that line looked suspicious. And yes, I'm using testing. |
| 11:32.07 | fkbm | Thanks, I'll go there! |
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| 11:33.22 | babilen | fkbm: In short: That seems to be a bug in the fglrx driver (at least that is my conclusion from my little bit of research) -- I would personally recommend to not use fglrx but simply radeon, but then you mentioned that you are a gamer (which is something I am not interested in at all), but radeon might just "work" ... who knows? |
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| 11:34.17 | babilen | fkbm: fwiw, you wouldn't have this problem on wheezy either |
| 11:34.23 | fkbm | I could try uninstalling fglrx and just installing radeon. I haven't played a game in a long time. I wanted to use blender though. |
| 11:34.32 | babilen | but now .. I bid you guys farewell! |
| 11:34.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell fkbm -about radeon |
| 11:34.47 | babilen | fkbm: Good luck and until later! |
| 11:34.56 | fkbm | Byes. ! I guess I need to go to "stable" |
| 11:35.09 | fkbm | Have a wonderful day/night |
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| 12:21.31 | ZIPY | cant find ntp-server package anymore |
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| 12:22.52 | abrotman | ZIPY: it's 'ntp', this isn't redhat |
| 12:23.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ZIPY about search |
| 12:23.18 | ZIPY | abrotman: i found this on debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime#Set_the_time_automatically |
| 12:23.35 | ZIPY | it says it needs ntp-server |
| 12:23.55 | abrotman | okay |
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| 12:27.03 | ZIPY | seems like it got removed |
| 12:28.41 | abrotman | judd: versions ntp |
| 12:28.42 | judd | Package: ntp on i386 -- squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3 |
| 12:29.25 | ZIPY | hehe just red "ntpdate" is all i need |
| 12:30.07 | abrotman | no, use ntp |
| 12:30.15 | abrotman | ntpdate is not really meant to be used anymore |
| 12:30.24 | ZIPY | ok |
| 12:32.33 | ZIPY | abrotman: ok u r right: [ ok ] Starting NTP server: ntpd. thank you |
| 12:32.51 | ZIPY | i should update the wiki |
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| 13:30.51 | uvogin | anyone here use a remote library on their music player? |
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| 13:31.26 | outlaw84 | Hi, I am looking to trigger a custom script when an specific sdcard is inserted into the computer, any suggestion on how to do this? |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | probably a udev rule |
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| 13:37.15 | monod | hey guys |
| 13:37.27 | monod | how do I create a shared folder for my lan with debian? |
| 13:37.38 | monod | between: debian and crunchbang (debian) |
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| 13:38.05 | ZIPY | monod: u can use samba or nfs |
| 13:38.09 | monod | how to? |
| 13:38.11 | monod | ZIPY, |
| 13:38.15 | monod | (thanks) |
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| 13:38.27 | monod | (I ask for the basic steps only) |
| 13:38.43 | monod | (or if you have will/time, you can tell me more details) |
| 13:38.44 | aguitel | how enable remote desktop option in debian? |
| 13:39.06 | monod | aguitel: applications -> internet -> shared desktop |
| 13:39.14 | monod | desktop sharing* |
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| 13:39.36 | aguitel | monod, thanks |
| 13:39.38 | ZIPY | monod: only for linux or do u need the shares for windows too? |
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| 13:40.00 | monod | hmm, I can leave this for linux only, thanks |
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| 13:40.05 | ZIPY | https://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup |
| 13:40.08 | monod | I mean, no need for winz |
| 13:40.13 | win5hit | hi there. I'm trying to setup a iscsi-target based on lio managed by pacemaker. basically it works, but i'm unsure with some settings. is anybody around using lio iscsi target? |
| 13:40.14 | monod | ok thanks |
| 13:41.04 | win5hit | or does anyone know a irc channel dedicated to such stuff? |
| 13:44.23 | ZIPY | win5hit: maybe http://clusterlabs.org/wiki/Mailing_lists |
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| 13:46.10 | ZIPY | win5hit: irc://irc.freenode.org#linux-cluster |
| 13:46.17 | win5hit | yeah, i'm in there ;) |
| 13:46.20 | ZIPY | :D |
| 13:46.41 | win5hit | ZIPY: thanks anyway. but.. i think the question is more related to lio than to pacemaker... |
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| 13:48.30 | win5hit | or iscsi in general?! i don't know exactly... |
| 13:49.12 | ZIPY | win5hit: what about http://linux-iscsi.org/wiki/Support#Contact x) |
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| 13:50.57 | win5hit | uh, haven't tried that. thanks |
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| 14:06.06 | monod | hey, I have problems with rpcbind and NFS... I can't mount folders, I've added the lines to the config files, what now? |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | what's the error? |
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| 14:07.46 | monod | basically I don't know how to get my files on the computer with NFS... I tried to mount, but ping runs out of time... |
| 14:08.01 | monod | abrotman, ^ |
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| 14:10.18 | abrotman | ping? |
| 14:10.49 | monod | "mount.nfs: connection timed out", trying to mount from the client |
| 14:10.52 | monod | abrotman, ^ |
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| 14:11.04 | ZIPY | showmount ip -e what does it say |
| 14:11.10 | ZIPY | <ip> |
| 14:11.11 | monod | oh.. |
| 14:11.19 | ZIPY | or -e ip |
| 14:11.22 | ZIPY | ^^ |
| 14:11.57 | monod | clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered |
| 14:11.59 | monod | ZIPY, |
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| 14:13.57 | yids | livestream at the norbordercamp, an action camp against de immigration policy of holland and other countries http://deathstar.puscii.nl:8000/pinknoise.ogg , if anyone is interested |
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| 14:14.35 | abrotman | yids: wrong channel, please take it elsewhere |
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| 14:15.06 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:15.41 | eptalon | what do you guys recommend as an application to fill out a PDF form? |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | pdfedit |
| 14:16.02 | monod | abrotman, I may have found the solution, trying... |
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| 14:16.26 | monod | YES |
| 14:16.41 | monod | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart this is the magic command that worked. |
| 14:16.48 | monod | ' /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart' |
| 14:17.02 | ZIPY | ;) |
| 14:17.42 | ZIPY | u can mount it on ur client to ur fstab (mount on boot) |
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| 14:18.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ZIPY about u |
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| 14:19.50 | eptalon | abrotman: I was looking for something more along the lines of acroread...? |
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| 14:20.12 | abrotman | eptalon: okay, if you knew the answer, why did you ask us? |
| 14:20.59 | WebSearchingPro | Acrobat Reader has a linux version. |
| 14:21.07 | abrotman | it's not part of Debian |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | pdfedit is .. |
| 14:21.23 | eptalon | abrotman: there is no acrobat reader in debian, and the other program I used couldn't handle forms? |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | did you try evince? |
| 14:21.49 | eptalon | I tried okular. |
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| 14:22.03 | abrotman | this isn't a fun game |
| 14:22.32 | mtn | 20 questions! |
| 14:22.44 | WebSearchingPro | Yes acrobat reader is not "part of debian" but you can download/install it. |
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| 14:23.01 | abrotman | but there's no reason to ask here |
| 14:23.19 | eptalon | abrotman: I wish they produced pdf software that actually worked. Rumour has it that for a fully-compliant PDF that uses all features, the number of readers is rather limited. |
| 14:23.38 | WebSearchingPro | eptalon: try this https://get.adobe.com/reader/ |
| 14:23.46 | WebSearchingPro | There is a linux version |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | web searching pro indeed |
| 14:23.57 | mtn | heh |
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| 14:24.32 | WebSearchingPro | I'm not sure what he wants, he wants something like acrobat reader, but doesnt want it? |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | don't ask me .. he's being difficult, perhaps on purpose |
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| 14:27.22 | eptalon | abrotman: I have a pdf file, that contains forms. Pragmatically I want to fill out the forms, using the software, print it in two copies, and forget about it. The problems I found so far is that okular "rotates" the entries when printing, so I can't use that. |
| 14:28.04 | eptalon | has a terrible handwriting. |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | eptalon: is this a PDF that others can download? have you tried evince? tried inkscape? tried pdfedit? |
| 14:29.53 | eptalon | abrotman: http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/formulare/arbeitslos/ the first button saying download. |
| 14:30.01 | aguitel | how i view remote desktop in nautilus or in browser ? |
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| 14:30.56 | eptalon | aguitel: usually there are programs like rdesktop that do that. |
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| 14:32.02 | abrotman | aguitel: depends on the version of remote desktop |
| 14:32.24 | aguitel | abrotman, 3.4.2 |
| 14:32.33 | eptalon | abrotman: I tried evince, doesnt seem to have a mode to fill out forms. |
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| 14:33.35 | abrotman | aguitel: I'm saying that some versions only wokr in a web browser with ActiveX |
| 14:34.19 | aguitel | abrotman, but anyway to view remote desktop in firefox ? |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | eptalon: inkscape lets you actually edit a pdf |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | eptalon: i mean every part of a PDF |
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| 14:35.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eptalon about edit pdf |
| 14:37.05 | eptalon | thx abrotan, I'll try one of these. |
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| 14:48.54 | tman | I'm using Debian with jessie in my sources.list, but /etc/debian_version shows "jessie/sid", why does it say *sid*? |
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| 14:50.02 | liori | hello, how do i find the source or binary packages uploaded to the new queue? i'm looking for this one specifically: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libsdl2-image_2.0.0~rc1%2Bdfsg-1.html; i've been googling for it for some time now without results |
| 14:50.34 | nkuttler | tman: because packages migrate from sid to testing without changes |
| 14:50.40 | tman | ok |
| 14:51.07 | babilen | tman: Because it is that way. Packages are uploaded to sid and transition to testing - The package that contains /etc/debian_version (base-files) was uploaded to sid once and then transitioned after a while. |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | liori: you cannot |
| 14:51.41 | babilen | They are not changed or adapted in any way -- testing is a tool we use to prepare the next stable release and not an independent release or anything like that. |
| 14:52.01 | tman | I get it, thanks for clarifying |
| 14:52.04 | abrotman | liori: once they are accepted, they'll be in unstable or experimental (whichever it says on that page was the target) |
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| 14:53.44 | liori | abrotman: i see. thanks for answer. |
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| 14:55.18 | dav1d | Hi, I am currently running debian squueze, and I have to install a multiarch package (http://d-apt.sourceforge.net/ dmd-bin), but it seems like squueze doesn't support multiarch? What can I do (other than upgrading which is not an option)? |
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| 14:56.43 | liori | dav1d: maybe a chroot environment with newer debian? |
| 14:57.09 | dav1d | liori: I think that's not a good solution |
| 14:57.42 | gusnan | dav1d, if a package is built for multiarch, chances that it will work on Squeeze are minimal. |
| 14:57.57 | dav1d | gusnan: so there is not much I can do? |
| 14:58.07 | dav1d | except compile it myself and live with the mess |
| 14:59.00 | gusnan | dav1d, since multiarch was introduced in Wheezy, it is a good indication that the package requires that version of Debian... |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | dav1d: why not upgrade to wheezy? |
| 14:59.41 | dav1d | gusnan: that's not the problem, the compiler itself would run on squeeze no problem |
| 14:59.58 | dav1d | abrotman: that's complicated |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | how so? |
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| 15:00.34 | dav1d | abrotman: I am not using this VPS alone, it seems like my friend still requires squeeze for some reason |
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| 15:00.52 | abrotman | dav1d: i'd find out that reason |
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| 15:01.12 | dav1d | abrotman: a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should do it? |
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| 15:01.35 | dav1d | my experience wite upgrading debian are horrible, tbh :P |
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| 15:01.42 | abrotman | !tell dav1d about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:01.55 | abrotman | dav1d: funny, my experiences are great |
| 15:01.56 | dav1d | ah in private |
| 15:02.06 | babilen | dav1d: You cannot use multiarch on squeeze as that feature was introduced in wheezy. There really aren't any alternatives to run wheezy if you have to use it. It might be possible to get that software running on squeeze (e.g. by compiling it locally) or you can setup a wheezy chroot/vm/container or something like that, but an upgrade is certainly the best option. |
| 15:02.08 | dav1d | abrotman: whenever I had to upgrade, I had to reinstall everything |
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| 15:02.43 | abrotman | dav1d: sounds like you did something wrong or didn't follow release notes |
| 15:02.46 | babilen | dav1d: I've upgraded many systems from one release to the next -- Sure there might be a problem here and there, but generally speaking it worked very well. |
| 15:02.58 | abrotman | dav1d: i've had systems get upgraded through four releases |
| 15:03.06 | dav1d | abrotman: well I didn't use debian for a while that was back in the time from debian 3 to 4 |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | you mean 3.1 to 4.0? |
| 15:03.25 | zinx | abrotman: i've had systems that haven't even run one release, go sid! |
| 15:03.25 | dav1d | abrotman: probably |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | because if you went 3.0 to 4.0 .. that would be part of "not following instrucdtions" |
| 15:03.44 | dav1d | can't really remember, other than that I had to completly wipe everything and reinstall debian |
| 15:03.46 | abrotman | zinx: heh |
| 15:03.51 | dav1d | abrotman: I can't remember |
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| 15:03.55 | abrotman | dav1d: so that was like 10 years ago |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | maybe 7 years ago |
| 15:04.08 | dav1d | abrotman: no, abot 4-5? |
| 15:04.23 | abrotman | dav1d: regardless .. many people dist-upgrade in place |
| 15:04.25 | dav1d | abrotman: they weren't stable back then (should have noted that) |
| 15:04.30 | dav1d | yeah probably bad luck |
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| 15:06.06 | abrotman | dav1d: regardless .. there is no multiarch on squeeze ... so you can maybe use a chroot |
| 15:06.25 | dav1d | abrotman: currently compiling it, seems like the easier way |
| 15:06.33 | abrotman | okay |
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| 15:07.33 | dav1d | thanks for your help! |
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| 15:13.05 | milo64 | is it a wise move to switch to systemd? |
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| 15:16.13 | nkuttler | !tell milo64 about systemd |
| 15:16.18 | nkuttler | milo64: no |
| 15:16.37 | milo64 | ? |
| 15:16.44 | nkuttler | read the bot's msg |
| 15:16.58 | milo64 | nkuttler: so i've got the latest version of debian, but i do not have systemd |
| 15:17.48 | milo64 | is that as planned? |
| 15:18.13 | divxdude | total noob running Squeeze swapped my OS drive to an old box with ATI rage 128 which uses some firmware nonfree package. it crashes everytime just before login, total freeze.i managed to get vesa mode working once before dont know how i did it. i am repeating the repair on a later backup i restored because i thought it would be easy the 2nd time apparently i dont remember everything i did. |
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| 15:18.59 | nkuttler | milo64: did you read the bot's msg? |
| 15:19.04 | milo64 | nkuttler: ... |
| 15:19.13 | milo64 | nkuttler: yes |
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| 15:19.26 | nkuttler | milo64: it says technology preview |
| 15:19.30 | milo64 | nkuttler: a good asker will ask for confirmation |
| 15:19.36 | jelly-home | divxdude: rage 128 should be using free drivers, no firmware |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | milo64: and read the information you're given .. |
| 15:19.43 | nkuttler | milo64: what? |
| 15:20.20 | divxdude | <jelly-home> i read about this and was certain it requires both free and non-free firmware package |
| 15:20.22 | milo64 | nvm |
| 15:20.34 | milo64 | so, why was it not included in whezy stable? |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | still not reading it seems |
| 15:20.51 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 15:21.15 | milo64 | ...oh, whatever |
| 15:21.19 | divxdude | i eventually got in and fixed my network and sources to get the firmware package and reset to R128 and it worked |
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| 15:22.05 | divxdude | may have been done differnly in newr builds |
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| 15:22.35 | divxdude | i just cant remember how i got into x |
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| 15:23.06 | jelly-home | divxdude: oh, in that case, you'll want to enable non-free repo and install firmware-linux-nonfree (with a /lib/firmware/r128/r128_cce.bin file) |
| 15:23.23 | Engen | Hi. I'm trying to install linux onto my laptop which has a ssd. My issue for the past 3 hours now has been that the install cannot find a CD-ROM drive. Before attempting to install debian I was trying to install crunchbang but I thought it was a distro specific issue but apparently not. Any tips? I have looked in the forums but most fixes up come up to machine specific unfortunately |
| 15:23.56 | divxdude | nomodeset doesnt work nor xforcevesa also tried creating xorg.conf.new edit and copy |
| 15:23.58 | milo64 | nkuttler: ...i don't know. |
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| 15:25.24 | angs | is there a good tool to monitor ram consumption of a binary? |
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| 15:25.32 | abrotman | angs: top ? |
| 15:25.49 | abrotman | htop,atop |
| 15:25.52 | divxdude | my network doesnt seem to be working in rescue mode |
| 15:26.14 | divxdude | i can get farther if i can get into x |
| 15:26.17 | angs | top shows the percentage and has a little bit much delay |
| 15:26.22 | angs | I will try atop, thank you |
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| 15:27.11 | l8star | hi |
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| 15:27.41 | abrotman | angs: top also shows actual values |
| 15:29.29 | angs | abrotman, I use top -p pidnumber, the mem on the top is the total memory I guess, do I need to use another flag to see the memory consumption with byte values? |
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| 15:29.47 | divxdude | how can i force the desktop login screen |
| 15:30.06 | divxdude | xforcevesa didnt work |
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| 15:31.25 | jelly-home | has no idea what xforcevesa is at all |
| 15:32.30 | divxdude | i thought it was a startup param can be added to grub start menu |
| 15:32.35 | l8star | wheezy 3.2.0-4-amd64 gdm 3.4.1-8 xmonad-0.10-4 libgmp-dev 2.5.0 unable to find libgmp.so.3 - xmoand crashes with segmentation fault - return to gdm3 login screen how to find missing dependecies ? |
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| 15:41.05 | OldParr | update applet is not present in debian 7, but hiding the menu bar appeared just once, how do i can make it work fixed ? |
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| 15:43.44 | Engen | mkdir /cdrom |
| 15:43.55 | Engen | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /cdrom |
| 15:44.04 | Engen | woops |
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| 15:48.37 | un214 | how did you get a vfat on a cdrom drive? |
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| 15:52.39 | Engen | un214: dunno and don't care (for now). it worked so that's all that matters |
| 15:52.47 | abrotman | un214: how do you know it's a cdrom? |
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| 15:53.54 | un214 | abrotman: you're right I don't but his mount command would be even stranger if it wasn't |
| 15:54.10 | harrison | that's what she said |
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| 15:55.24 | abrotman | un214: why? it's just a mount point |
| 15:55.34 | harrison | that's what she said |
| 15:55.48 | abrotman | harrison: enough |
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| 15:56.51 | un214 | abrotman: because sdb is too early to be a sdcard and it has no partition table |
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| 16:00.04 | abrotman | that's not true ... |
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| 16:03.26 | OldParr | is neccesary to reinstall debian to get this solved ? |
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| 16:12.46 | Engen | anyone here running a ssd on their machine? |
| 16:13.27 | abrotman | Engen: whta if they are, please ask a better questoin |
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| 16:14.32 | Engen | abrotman: both the arch and debian wiki state that a /swap partition is better for ssd life expectancy. has anyone noticed a difference in performance with or without the /swap partition? |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | why not test it yourself? |
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| 16:17.34 | Engen | abrotman: okay I will. |
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| 16:19.19 | rubidious | Hola! Which of the many x11/xorg packages gets me the xlib from "X11/Xlib.h"? |
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| 16:19.56 | selene23 | come join me on live cam here: http://chinadating.tk/us/profiles/girl/selene23 |
| 16:20.10 | Engen | lolwut that's a first |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rubidious about apt-file |
| 16:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell rubidious about apt-file |
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| 16:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 16:20.37 | abrotman | matey! |
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| 16:23.24 | rubidious | thanks abrotman found it :) |
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| 16:28.23 | useless-eater | I get a strange error when booting: [ 7.369399] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-2a-07 (not found?) |
| 16:28.58 | useless-eater | firmware-intel? hmm |
| 16:29.32 | abrotman | so install the firmware |
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| 16:30.12 | blubberdiblub | sounds more like the intel cpu microcode update thingy |
| 16:30.25 | useless-eater | abrotman: only intel I found was 'firmware-intelwimax', but I guess that would not be it. |
| 16:30.49 | useless-eater | blubberdiblub: seems to be cpu related, but no idea how to fix |
| 16:31.00 | useless-eater | [ 7.369500] microcode: CPU1 sig=0x206a7, pf=0x2, revision=0x1a |
| 16:31.15 | useless-eater | I get these messages 4 times, one for each core |
| 16:31.28 | blubberdiblub | useless-eater, is your "intel-microcode" package up to date? is it corrupted? |
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| 16:32.30 | useless-eater | wow blubberdiblub. thats it :D its not even installed |
| 16:33.01 | useless-eater | gotta read up on the subject it seems :) |
| 16:33.06 | useless-eater | thanks a lot blubberdiblub |
| 16:33.16 | blubberdiblub | useless-eater, you're welcome :) |
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| 16:34.09 | natsukao | hi |
| 16:34.32 | natsukao | have you replaced xmms with xmms2 ? |
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| 16:34.46 | ekaj | Does Debian support NTFS shares by default? |
| 16:34.50 | natsukao | if yes, why was did it ? |
| 16:35.17 | ikonia | ekaj shares file system doesn't matter, depends how it's shared |
| 16:35.18 | abrotman | natsukao: xmms was dead upstream, use audacious |
| 16:35.21 | ikonia | ekaj: eg: nfs, samba etc etc |
| 16:35.28 | abrotman | ekaj: ntfs shares or ntfs filesystems? |
| 16:35.36 | ekaj | NTFS filesystem |
| 16:35.43 | ekaj | It's a plug and play external HDD enclosure |
| 16:35.53 | natsukao | programs Free Software such as Streamtuner works with xmms, they don't work with xmms |
| 16:35.54 | ekaj | Shoot, I said shares, I meant filesystem, sorry |
| 16:36.03 | abrotman | natsukao: try audacious |
| 16:36.04 | ikonia | no problem |
| 16:36.08 | natsukao | they don't work with xmms2 |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | or keep ignoring what i say ... |
| 16:36.35 | useless-eater | ekaj: depends I guess. the gnome desktop probably comes with it(?), but minimal does not Im sure. but very easy to install |
| 16:36.38 | ikonia | abrotman: he's just been pointed here from Ubuntu as he's not listening so this is hardly surprising |
| 16:37.07 | useless-eater | I never install gnome desktop so I could be wrong |
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| 16:37.29 | abrotman | ikonia: does he actually belong in #ubuntu ? |
| 16:37.39 | ikonia | abrotman neither really |
| 16:37.45 | natsukao | Debian corrupted the RFC 2396 dedicated to the URI of August 1998 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt |
| 16:37.46 | abrotman | awesome |
| 16:37.50 | Myrtti | abrotman: his issue is that he wants xmms |
| 16:37.56 | ekaj | useless-eater: I have the drives on a Windows system and the only native format types are NTFS and exFAT - would exFAT be a viable option instead? |
| 16:38.01 | ikonia | abrotman: but because we said "debian dropped it upstream" he's complaining her |
| 16:38.04 | abrotman | Myrtti: which is dead and long gone |
| 16:38.08 | ikonia | but if we can find out the actual "problem" we can find a solution |
| 16:38.11 | Myrtti | abrotman: indeed |
| 16:38.12 | abrotman | ikonia: so not using Debian at all? |
| 16:38.18 | ikonia | abrotman: no, |
| 16:38.20 | Myrtti | abrotman: who knows |
| 16:38.29 | ikonia | I believe it's ubuntu as he wants it on ubuntu |
| 16:38.41 | abrotman | natsukao: which distro are you using? |
| 16:38.46 | ikonia | but I don't know the problem as he won't stop complaining so can't get a solution |
| 16:39.06 | natsukao | i am working with VLC, but this is not correct, and developers of Streamtuner never was informed about the fact that Debian replaced xmms with xmms2 |
| 16:39.10 | abrotman | natsukao: which distro are you using? |
| 16:39.25 | natsukao | does not matter |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | yes, it does |
| 16:39.47 | peterrooney | who in #ubuntu pointed here? |
| 16:40.01 | natsukao | i'll go to write to maintaner of Debian |
| 16:40.02 | Myrtti | natsukao: http://lwn.net/Articles/240518/ |
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| 16:40.22 | Myrtti | natsukao: note the date |
| 16:40.25 | Owner | ubuntu is not debian |
| 16:40.33 | abrotman | thank you, we're aware |
| 16:40.35 | Myrtti | that ship has sailed a long, long time ago |
| 16:40.39 | ekaj | Ubuntu is Debian based however |
| 16:40.43 | useless-eater | ekaj: I dont know. I guess exFAT would not be a great option yet. All my filesystems are ext*, xfs or zfs, so dont know. |
| 16:40.51 | peterrooney | natsukao: you are being deliberately ignorant. stop and think for about 30 seconds. I know 30 seconds is a long time, and thinking is hard, but it might reveal where you should alsk your questions. |
| 16:40.58 | Owner | we know ubuntu is debian based, thanks |
| 16:41.03 | ekaj | useless-eater: I read data loss during a power outage is more likely with exFAT, so I'll stick with NTFS |
| 16:41.07 | abrotman | ekaj: it's still offtopic here |
| 16:41.07 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | hi! is there some good cli kvm monitor (like top for vm)? |
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| 16:41.18 | Owner | top |
| 16:41.20 | peterrooney | s/alsk/ask |
| 16:41.21 | ekaj | I never said it was on topic |
| 16:41.29 | natsukao | i m not using Ubuntu, i don't use a distribution which suggest to buy from Amazon ebooks with DRM |
| 16:41.38 | abrotman | natsukao: which distro are you using? |
| 16:41.52 | useless-eater | ekaj: If stupid windows computers dont need to read it, then go for ext4 or something :) |
| 16:41.53 | natsukao | and i don't use a distribution full of restricted packages |
| 16:41.58 | Owner | natsukao, i never liked it from day one |
| 16:42.00 | abrotman | natsukao: which distro are you using? |
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| 16:42.07 | Owner | too much brainwashing |
| 16:42.12 | ekaj | I'll stick with NTFS so I can share videos with friends =p |
| 16:42.23 | ikonia | natsukao if you explain the problem we can try to find a solution, so you don't have to keep threatening to write to people |
| 16:42.38 | abrotman | how about we clarify which distro first |
| 16:42.55 | natsukao | to the same time Canonical violates the freedom to sell Free Software, a Freedom that is in the GNU General Public License |
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| 16:43.18 | ikonia | I'll bet tthere is no problem, just a desire to rant |
| 16:43.18 | ekaj | that works |
| 16:43.21 | abrotman | natsukao: this channel is for Debian support for people using Debian. Please use your own distro's channel for support |
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| 16:44.14 | Owner | a little bit fascist |
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| 16:44.48 | redintellect | hi |
| 16:44.50 | redintellect | how do I |
| 16:45.02 | redintellect | reuse my intel sandybridge mobile? |
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| 16:45.16 | marcusk | redintellect: What do mean by reuse? |
| 16:45.19 | redintellect | additional info: I tried to run bumblebee (optimus laptop) and I failed |
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| 16:45.34 | redintellect | so now X doesn't recognize my Intel GPU |
| 16:45.58 | redintellect | marcusk, I want it to recognize and load my intel GPU again (as it did two days ago) |
| 16:46.42 | marcusk | redintellect: You remove the xorg.conf if you have one and try again without it, and see if that works. |
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| 16:47.08 | marcusk | redintellect: Or I guess you can install Nvidia's driver and run nvidia-xconfig in order to generate it for you. |
| 16:47.22 | redintellect | marcusk, there's only a xorg.conf.d which is empty |
| 16:48.11 | marcusk | That's normal, then X will auto configure itself; except that most of the time it works. |
| 16:48.36 | redintellect | right now my x starts |
| 16:48.51 | redintellect | marcusk, but the problem is, it starts without a graphic card loaded |
| 16:49.07 | marcusk | Not sure how to do it. If you installed anything in particular when you tried out bimblebee you could try to remove it. |
| 16:49.41 | marcusk | You took backup before you started eh? |
| 16:49.52 | blubberdiblub | redintellect, did you get bumblebee from an external source or did you install the package from the debian repository? |
| 16:49.57 | ArchDuker | I can't seem to get the webcam on the Lenovo T420S working on 64bit debian wheezy. All instructions I've found indicate that it should 'just work'. Anyone have any experience getting this working? |
| 16:50.13 | abrotman | ArchDuker: any errors in /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 16:51.15 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, from wheezy backports |
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| 16:51.44 | redintellect | marcusk, it's optimus it'll mess everythin, that xconfig, I tried that in many ways :( |
| 16:51.51 | ArchDuker | abrotman: Nothing I can see related to the camera |
| 16:52.00 | blubberdiblub | redintellect, and purging the package didn't help? |
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| 16:52.26 | abrotman | ArchDuker: does it show up in a usb or pci scan ? |
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| 16:52.37 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, I don't know what that is, let me ask dpkg |
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| 16:53.07 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, I don't want to purge bumblebee |
| 16:53.23 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, because there's a chance it works if I can get my intel gpu running. |
| 16:53.56 | ArchDuker | abrotman: I don't see it in lspci |
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| 16:54.09 | blubberdiblub | redintellect, well, your original question was to get your intel gpu working. i don't have any experience with bumblebee, sorry |
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| 16:54.43 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, thanks ;) |
| 16:55.14 | abrotman | ArchDuker: lsusb ? |
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| 16:55.42 | ArchDuker | abrotman: Not there either o.O |
| 16:55.46 | blubberdiblub | blubberdiblub, i suspect bumblebee blacklists your intel GPU and that's why X can't access it. but that's just a guess. you may want to look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see about what Xorg actually complains |
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| 16:55.54 | blubberdiblub | redintellect, ^ |
| 16:56.13 | redintellect | ArchDuker, shouldn't he be checking his xorg installed stuff? input? |
| 16:56.42 | ctmjr | redintellect: isn't bumblebee for nvidia |
| 16:56.47 | MadsRC | I have a machine that starts up into the terminal, and I have to manually start x with startx (I like it this way) but I have an application that I want to make sure is running when my user i logged in. I was thinking about putting it into .bash_profile but wouldn't as that would start the program when I login. but wouldn't it also run the program if I SSH to my machine? (Which means it would have the program run in multiple instances |
| 16:56.48 | ArchDuker | redintellect: I can't say I've done that before - my xorg conf is empty |
| 16:57.11 | redintellect | ArchDuker, not the conf, the installed packages? |
| 16:57.21 | redintellect | ArchDuker, maype inputall got deleted somehow? |
| 16:57.23 | blubberdiblub | ctmjr, bumblebee is for machines that have combined nvidia+intel GPU |
| 16:58.07 | redintellect | blubberdiblub, the thing is, startx perfectly runs, but Xorg -configure produces this: http://paste.debian.net/22447 |
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| 16:58.40 | marcusk | MadsRC: Is it an X application? Then .xinitrc is probably the rihgt place. |
| 16:59.02 | marcusk | MadsRC: Or just save the pid somewhere, and have a check that looks for it before it launches it. |
| 16:59.19 | MadsRC | marcusk: Thank you, I'll try that :) |
| 16:59.21 | ArchDuker | redintellect: At the risk of sounding like a fool, how do I check that? Just aptitude search xorg and look to check if a package with inputall in it's name is installed? |
| 17:00.31 | abrotman | ArchDuker: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:01.04 | ArchDuker | abrotman: Nothing to install |
| 17:01.08 | redintellect | ArchDuker, or if you have X you can check your synaptic package manager |
| 17:01.13 | natsukao | bye bye |
| 17:01.31 | ArchDuker | redintellect: Thanks, I tend to miss the easiest solution to these simple things XD |
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| 17:01.58 | redintellect | ArchDuker, search for xserver-xorg in synaptic in installed packages and see what packages are installed :D |
| 17:02.18 | ArchDuker | redintellect: I will now, thanks :) |
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| 17:03.25 | redintellect | how do I check the blacklisted mods ? |
| 17:04.29 | ArchDuker | redintellect: abrotman: I do have xserver-xorg-input-all and no missing xserver-xorg or xorg packages |
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| 17:06.39 | redintellect | ArchDuker, it's a usb webcam right? |
| 17:07.02 | redintellect | ArchDuker, or builtin? |
| 17:07.12 | ArchDuker | redintellect: It's integrated in the laptop |
| 17:07.50 | redintellect | ArchDuker, do dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 17:08.07 | redintellect | ArchDuker, I assume you're using cheese booth? |
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| 17:09.42 | ArchDuker | redintellect: I'm not, what |
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| 17:09.56 | ArchDuker | redintellect: Sorry mistaken enter, whats cheese booth |
| 17:10.49 | redintellect | ArchDuker, cheese webcam booth? |
| 17:10.58 | redintellect | ArchDuker, it's an application in Wheezy |
| 17:12.07 | ArchDuker | Hmm, I may have hidden that away when I was configuring my menu - I'll launch that and see if it detects the camera, thanks |
| 17:12.20 | ArchDuker | redintellect: Then I'll run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 17:13.06 | babilen | redintellect: Did it ever work? It should really "just work" out of the box with uvcvideo and it is strange that it doesn't for you. Is it a "04f2:b221 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd integrated camera" you have there? |
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| 17:13.44 | babilen | redintellect: Is the uvcvideo module loaded? (check "lsmod |grep uvcvideo" and "dmesg|uvcvideo") |
| 17:14.08 | redintellect | babilen, it's ArchDuker problem actually, and I'm testing to see if my laptop cam works :D |
| 17:14.13 | babilen | oops |
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| 17:14.36 | redintellect | babilen, I have the probel with bumblebee and intel still :)) |
| 17:14.43 | babilen | ArchDuker: See what I just said and provide that information along with the output of "uname -a" and "apt-cache policy" on http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:15.38 | babilen | redintellect: Yeah, optimus is a pain and I am so happy that I very intentionally didn't buy that hardware. OTOH I heard from quite a number of people that they managed to get it working with bumblebee ... How did you install it exactly? |
| 17:16.39 | redintellect | babilen, I installed it using the deb wiki |
| 17:16.40 | ArchDuker | babilen: Both the lsmod command and dmesg grep returned nothing |
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| 17:17.29 | redintellect | babilen, the problem is it doesn't recognize intel gpu now. and I did something wrong. I thought bumblebee was meant to make my Graphics field = Nvidia GT520M and when it was Intel I did something stupid and tweaked it |
| 17:17.56 | redintellect | babilen, I'm in bios right now |
| 17:18.02 | redintellect | it says VGA Intel |
| 17:18.14 | redintellect | VGA (PEG) nVidia blah blah |
| 17:18.19 | redintellect | what's a PEG? :D |
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| 17:18.57 | hjf | does the debian installer support installing directly to a USB stick? |
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| 17:19.13 | redintellect | babilen, Should the vga mode be switchable or |
| 17:19.14 | babilen | ArchDuker: So, which kernel do you use? Could you paste the output of "lsusb", "uname -a", "modprobe uvcvideo ; dmesg|tail -n42" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:19.17 | redintellect | integrated? |
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| 17:20.19 | babilen | redintellect: Bumblebee would allow you to use Intel by default and then run *specific* applications on the nvidia GPU with optirun. You want switchable for that and which wiki page did you follow exactly? |
| 17:21.10 | ArchDuker | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/22453/ |
| 17:21.24 | babilen | redintellect: But note that I, due to my splendid foresight, lack any personal experience with bumblebee so I am merely supporting you on "auto-pilot" -- What setting do you use in the BIOS when bumblebee "wasn't working" ? |
| 17:21.45 | redintellect | babilen, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Bumblebee_Project |
| 17:21.51 | Bronze | Question - Is it possible to use a usb drive as a replacement for a hard drive? I want to install Debian to a large USB drive (64 GB) and use it as my main system. So far I have a bootable live imnagedebian on a usb stick, but everything goes back to the initial installed state when I reboot. (Debian 7 stable) |
| 17:21.53 | redintellect | babilen, I was using switchable till right now |
| 17:21.55 | babilen | ArchDuker: I really wouldn't use/trust Debian Multimedia and would recommend to not use it. |
| 17:22.01 | redintellect | and I found integrated is an option |
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| 17:23.22 | babilen | ArchDuker: Did the camera ever work? Could it be disabled in the BIOS? (not sure if that's possible) |
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| 17:23.47 | babilen | ArchDuker: I'm asking because it is simply not being recognised (it doesn't appear in the "lsusb" output) |
| 17:24.06 | ArchDuker | babilen: As far as I'm aware the camera has never worked, I've never tried to use it before |
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| 17:25.16 | babilen | ArchDuker: Might be a hardware problem or related to its wiring ... Check the BIOS and (if possible) different operating systems. The fact that it is not being recgnised at all is, well, weird. It is, definitely, not related to something like "module not loaded" or so. |
| 17:25.24 | ArchDuker | babilen: As I understand, I won't be able to play mp3's without debian multimedia, could deb multimedia be causing my camera problems? As per the bios, I'm reasonably confident there is nothing regarding the camera there, but I'll check |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | ArchDuker: you can certainly play MP3s without debian-multimedia |
| 17:26.03 | ArchDuker | babilen: Ok, thanks babilen :) I appreciate the help, maybe I just dropped this ol' guy one too many times and something came loose |
| 17:26.04 | babilen | ArchDuker: That is just wrong, you really don't need DMM to install media players that are perfectly capable of playing MP3s (but then who uses MP3 these days?) |
| 17:26.55 | babilen | ArchDuker: Not sure, but it is weird. I would also recommend to grab one of the excellent Hardware Maintainence Guides to run through the webcam debugging. You might want to check its wiring. |
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| 17:27.25 | babilen | ArchDuker: Yeah, I don't remember seeing anything camera related in the BIOS, but then I never checked and it might very well be in there. |
| 17:27.30 | ArchDuker | abrotman: Hmm, I wonder why I use debian multimedia then XD Should I be able to retain the kind of functionality I have now without it? I don't tend to interact with any non-typic media files |
| 17:28.36 | somiaj | I think the only thing I had to use DMM for was to steal a deb of libdvdcss since debian cannot distribute it. |
| 17:28.47 | babilen | exactly |
| 17:28.55 | somiaj | well download, and it installed just fine with everything else from debian's repos |
| 17:29.06 | babilen | But then I just grab it and install it manually (too bad that upstream doesn't build .debs anymore) |
| 17:29.21 | ArchDuker | Ah, well I don't even play DVD's on this, so I may well be fine without anything from them - thanks :) |
| 17:29.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell ArchDuker about dmm |
| 17:29.54 | jmcnaught | wasn't there a problem with the debian-multimedia.org being a third-party repo, and when asked to change his domain name he just let it expire? |
| 17:29.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell ArchDuker about dmm list |
| 17:30.03 | somiaj | babilen: I had trouble building a deb from upstream for somereason and when I found the deb from DMM installed with no conflicts I went that route. |
| 17:30.22 | babilen | ArchDuker: You can use that to purge all packages from DMM (aptitude purge '?narrow....) |
| 17:31.38 | babilen | jmcnaught: yeah, DMM caused us some pain the past .. These days most people are sensible enough to not use it (or at least they realise that they are on their own if they do) and there wasn't (AFAIK) not a major breakage in the last couple of months, but then ... |
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| 17:34.29 | jmcnaught | heh... debian-multimedia.org now points to what looks like a russian motor-cycle enthusiasts site |
| 17:35.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jmcnaught about dmm |
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| 17:37.11 | redintellect | babilen, virtual gl isn't in wheezy backports? |
| 17:37.13 | jmcnaught | after the way that nonsense went down there's no way i'd ever recommend using deb-multimedia |
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| 17:37.22 | redintellect | babilen, and btw, my nvidia modules aren't loaded?? |
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| 17:38.19 | Ek|mu5 | : |
| 17:38.38 | somiaj | I think in general that one of the thigns I'd like to see improved in debian (though this really isn't a debian issue) is the quality of 3rd party repos. Seems they all suck. |
| 17:38.53 | abrotman | somiaj: isn't that the fault of the third party? :) |
| 17:38.56 | babilen | redintellect: You did install bumblebee-nvidia didn't you? |
| 17:39.09 | redintellect | babilen, yeah |
| 17:39.49 | redintellect | babilen, something is pretty messed up I guess, I'll check these things and be back, sorry I bother you every time :D |
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| 17:40.02 | babilen | redintellect: And you then configured it as explained in the README.Debian didn't you? |
| 17:40.19 | babilen | redintellect: It's okay - I wouldn't be here if I were bothered by people asking questions :) |
| 17:40.20 | redintellect | babilen, yeah and then I did something stupid |
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| 17:40.31 | babilen | redintellect: namely? |
| 17:40.43 | babilen | s/namely/what did you do? |
| 17:40.45 | redintellect | babilen, I saw that no graphic cards was listed in "Details" of gnome system tools, |
| 17:40.55 | redintellect | babilen, so I ran nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:41.02 | babilen | So it worked after you installed bumblebee? |
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| 17:41.16 | babilen | redintellect: Didn't I tell you earlier that nvidia-xconfig really shouldn't be used. |
| 17:41.20 | babilen | ? |
| 17:41.23 | redintellect | babilen, which after, I had to rm the config |
| 17:41.30 | redintellect | babilen, nope :D |
| 17:41.39 | redintellect | babilen, however the x starts |
| 17:41.44 | babilen | I am sure that I mentioned it |
| 17:41.52 | redintellect | babilen, I'm trying to check packages I installed |
| 17:42.01 | redintellect | babilen, reconfigure them, |
| 17:42.05 | babilen | redintellect: Okay you lost me and I have no idea what did and didn't work at which step. |
| 17:42.19 | babilen | (and I am off now to enjoy the wonder that is the Edinburgh Fringe) |
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| 17:42.43 | redintellect | babilen, :D ok have fun ;) thanks |
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| 17:54.15 | somiaj | abrotman: in the end yes, but I think debian is a hard distro to make a repo for to ensure it doesn't conflict break things. I haven't see (maybe due to lack of experience) as much issue with thrid party repos in other distros. |
| 17:55.36 | sandman | I'm trying to get more accurate img2txt results (from the caca-utils package) through the use of img2txt -f utf8, however I usually see no difference in using that switch or not. If run img2txt -f utf8 in uxterm, however, it results in a lot of blinking characters and so forth, but still displays nothing different aside from that. Do I need to build additional locales or something, so more are available to it? Does anyone understand |
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| 18:01.20 | sandman | Or rather, perhaps I should be asking: How can I get my terminal to support additional fonts, such as those from other languages? |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | somiaj: disagree, stable doesn't change often, should be easy :) |
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| 18:05.42 | leemar | has anyone installed Debian on a tablet? Nexus 7 or others? |
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| 18:10.32 | useless-eater | hi guys, I have a little problem again. I have issues with my old graphics card together with jessie. Before I installed the driver from wheezy backports, but after the jessie install it wants to replace it with another driver. after some time nagging I let it do it although I new it would crash. It did. card is not supported by the fglrx-legacy in jessie. anyone got an idea of how to fix this in a elegant way? :) |
| 18:11.10 | useless-eater | its a old HD4870 |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | use the radeon driver? |
| 18:12.30 | useless-eater | abrotman: you know if it get close to fglrx in performance?~ |
| 18:12.47 | abrotman | nope, but seems like you don't have any performance at the moment? |
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| 18:13.43 | useless-eater | abrotman: this one I guess: xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 18:14.11 | useless-eater | its installed already it sais, but could be blacklisted since fglrx has been installed..? |
| 18:14.55 | useless-eater | yea, was blacklisted. |
| 18:15.25 | useless-eater | going to try this then, since the fglrx driver on this old card has been a mess I think |
| 18:15.37 | useless-eater | thanks abrotman, rebooting :) |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | you also need firmware for radeon |
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| 18:17.37 | useless-eater | oh, cannot find the package needed then it seems |
| 18:18.44 | some_roneryguy | Hello can anyone make a recommendation for intro to bash scripting? I reading through the one on tldp.org, but if I can find others that'd be nice. |
| 18:19.37 | phogg | some_roneryguy: that one is not very good |
| 18:19.57 | some_roneryguy | Oh, what would you recommend? |
| 18:20.05 | phogg | some_roneryguy: try http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
| 18:20.42 | useless-eater | abrotman: firmware-linux-nonfree is the one I need? |
| 18:21.06 | jmcnaught | some_roneryguy: i found "classic shell scripting" by robbins and beebe to be excellent |
| 18:21.16 | some_roneryguy | phogg: Thank you very much for this |
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| 18:22.48 | abrotman | useless-eater: apt-cache search firmware radeon |
| 18:23.03 | abrotman | somiaj: Unix Power Tools |
| 18:23.04 | some_roneryguy | jmcnaught: I'm taking a look right now, looks great |
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| 18:23.22 | some_roneryguy | Thanks |
| 18:23.47 | useless-eater | abrotman: great :) |
| 18:23.57 | useless-eater | thanks a lot, rebooting |
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| 18:26.20 | peterrooney | some_roneryguy: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide - a most awesome introduction; also /join #bash for great justice. |
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| 18:27.21 | some_roneryguy | peterrooney: Oh, sorry. It's my first time on IRC didn't know there was a channel for bash. |
| 18:28.19 | machduck | Sup. I have the iwl-wifi-2000-6 firmware for my wifi card. Is there a debian package or repo for this kind of stuff, so that i don't have to install it manually? |
| 18:28.23 | peterrooney | some_roneryguy: there's a channel for everything. depending on your client, /list should give you all channels on a particular server - though some servers restrict this if they are loaded down |
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| 18:29.24 | peterrooney | some_roneryguy: also, /list #channelname can give you a brief synopsis (like, does the channel even exist?) if you don't feel like wading through ten thousand descriptions. |
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| 18:30.00 | machduck | I had the same problem with older ubuntus 10.04 and such. In the newer distros it's gone away, so i presume they started shipping iwl-wifi-2000-6 firmware and such. Why not debian? |
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| 18:30.42 | some_roneryguy | peterrooney: Thank you very much! This makes using IRC so much easier, btw I'm using irssi. |
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| 18:31.58 | machduck | Anybody? |
| 18:32.25 | marcusk | machduck: There's firmware-iwlwifi in non-free |
| 18:32.43 | marcusk | machduck: Not sure if it has all you need though |
| 18:33.18 | marcusk | machduck: It has an iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode, so it should probably be enough to just install it. |
| 18:33.34 | ArchDuker | redintellect: abrotman: I found my webcam was disabled in the BIOS, thanks for all the help!!! |
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| 18:33.44 | peterrooney | ,file iwl-wifi-2000-6 |
| 18:33.47 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 18:34.01 | machduck | marcusk: Hm. Thanks, i'll check it out. Guess i missed it. Sorry. |
| 18:34.04 | peterrooney | ,file iwl-wifi-2000-6.ucode |
| 18:34.08 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:34.27 | marcusk | It should be iwlwifi, not iwl-wifi. |
| 18:34.33 | Artemis3 | maybe it has a slightly different name inside firmware non-free ? |
| 18:34.55 | redintellect | ArchDuker, it's awesome it's fixed ;) |
| 18:35.01 | marcusk | /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode |
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| 18:36.31 | abrotman | Artemis3: neat |
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| 18:48.04 | sandman | What is the benefit of selected "All locales" in dpkg-reconfigure locales? Will I be able to see all characters from pretty much any language? |
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| 18:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that's fonts |
| 18:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess the benefit is that you don't have to select them singly :P (huh, surprise, there) |
| 18:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you'd want that if you're running a big multi-user system with lots of different users of potentially different nationalities? Still needs the right fonts to see characters in non-latin languages |
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| 18:54.59 | DNS | does anyone else has the problem that in midori you can not load a page in sid atm? |
| 18:55.16 | DNS | is checking further |
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| 19:01.38 | DNS | sorry, had a proxy enabled lol |
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| 19:04.32 | ZIPY | hey, i got a warning on boot on my eee 1101ha (PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions). when i try to play a video or even mp3 the sound is really scratchy. |
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| 19:08.10 | jmcnaught | ZIPY: i had the problem in VLC but not with Totem or anything else. i fixed it in VLC by telling it to use the pulseaudio output module |
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| 19:08.44 | ZIPY | i opened a mp3 file with totem, its the same |
| 19:08.55 | ZIPY | its like i play in fast forward ^^ |
| 19:09.12 | ZIPY | even the timebar is faster |
| 19:09.22 | ZIPY | i have the same problem with youtube etc |
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| 19:10.39 | wodim | hello. i just installed xrdp and it works great (can't connect and so) but i want to know if it's possible to use this to see what the user is doing in the actual screen of the computer |
| 19:10.45 | wodim | or that's not the right tool for doing so |
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| 19:11.50 | digdilem | wodim, (I don't know xrdp) but vnc is probably better as it shares the desktop with the user |
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| 19:12.22 | wodim | digdilem: yes but vino has lots of dependencies |
| 19:12.29 | digdilem | shrugs |
| 19:12.34 | wodim | but well whatever |
| 19:12.37 | digdilem | there are other vnc servers, light tightvncserver |
| 19:12.48 | wodim | k |
| 19:12.50 | wodim | let's see thx |
| 19:13.00 | digdilem | you're welcome |
| 19:13.45 | wodim | Whereas most VNC servers share your desktop, tightvnc creates a completely new desktop, not attached to any actual screen. This makes it much less useful for some things (like remote help) |
| 19:13.51 | wodim | ;-) |
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| 19:19.19 | jmcnaught | ZIPY: this is for arch but it may work for you: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Glitches.2C_skips_or_crackling |
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| 19:29.46 | ZIPY | jmcnaught: worked, thank you |
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| 19:46.44 | alphanet | hello, anyone had luck with cryptlinks between two ircd-hybrid on squeeze (recompiling the package with openssl)? |
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| 20:01.52 | rubidious | hi. what is the correct way to manage startup processes/daemons in debian these days? |
| 20:02.00 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 20:02.46 | rubidious | update-rc.d doesn't seem to always work though, some daemons ge re-added after updates etc |
| 20:03.37 | Vasistha_ | wayttd rubidious |
| 20:03.42 | Vasistha_ | oops |
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| 20:03.49 | Vasistha_ | !wayttd rubidious |
| 20:03.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rubidious? |
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| 20:04.12 | rubidious | I'm trying to manage my startup daemons so that I don't have to worry about them |
| 20:04.30 | ompaul | eh the system likes doing that, would you like to be more explicit? |
| 20:04.38 | rubidious | like I said it seems like some of them (like apache) like to re-insert themselves after an update |
| 20:05.11 | Vasistha_ | is there a problem with that? |
| 20:05.18 | rubidious | well I don't want some daemons starting on startup.. I end up using init.d scripts to turn them off half the tiem |
| 20:05.20 | ompaul | good luck with that, you installed it you most obviously wanted it |
| 20:05.44 | rubidious | just because you install something doesn't mean you want it to start on startup |
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| 20:06.06 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: perhaps you want to look into your runlevel and the links in e.g. rc2.d |
| 20:06.16 | rubidious | Vasistha_: yes, as I said some daemons like to start starting on startup again after updates, even when I've explicitly removed them with update.rc.d |
| 20:06.27 | alphanet | and never remove all the links, always keep some (e.g. the K* ones) |
| 20:06.45 | alphanet | if you remove all of them, the next packages upgrade will defaults them again |
| 20:06.59 | rubidious | isn't that what update.rc.d does? |
| 20:07.06 | alphanet | (that's how it was documented to work in the past) |
| 20:07.09 | rubidious | remove the init scripts from the runlevel dirs? |
| 20:07.17 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: oh yeah, that's right, that *is* annoying - when e.g. apache updates it will replace your custom /etc/init.d/apache file and put Default-Start 2 3 4 5 which you maybe do not want |
| 20:07.25 | rubidious | yessss |
| 20:07.32 | rubidious | apache is only one of several though |
| 20:07.35 | alphanet | rubidious: basically, if you don't want apache2 to start, rm /etc/rc2.d/S*apache* |
| 20:07.43 | alphanet | rubidious: never remove the K files |
| 20:07.55 | rubidious | why runlevel 2? |
| 20:08.06 | alphanet | rubidious: I don't know, what's your preferred run level? mine is 2 |
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| 20:08.13 | Vasistha_ | runlevel 2 is the default runlevel for debian |
| 20:08.24 | alphanet | rubidious: at least during the lifecycle of *squeeze*, I did it like this and it worked very well |
| 20:08.26 | rubidious | I don't recall which is which heh |
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| 20:09.22 | rubidious | alphanet: any idea why it works this way? Does apt copy the init scripts from runlevel 2 or something? |
| 20:09.26 | alphanet | rubidious: of course, distributions tend to change how booting works every now and then: I tend to think that inittab and SYSV run levels are just what I need. |
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| 20:09.38 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: one adventure I tried once... I made my /etc into a git repository so I could monitor changes to it |
| 20:09.38 | rubidious | inittab is nice |
| 20:09.39 | alphanet | rubidious: it's documented that way, somewhere. |
| 20:09.59 | alphanet | rubidious: remember that Debian has deinstall config-installed |
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| 20:10.11 | rubidious | what is that? |
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| 20:10.40 | alphanet | rubidious: basically, the installation scripts will only do a update-rc.d apache2 defaults if there is no /etc/rc?.d/[SK]*apache2 file or symlink |
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| 20:11.36 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: apt is going to install whatever is in the .deb package file. For a service, that .deb will include a startup script in /etc/init.d - and that script will specify the Default-Start runlevels. When such a package is installed (or upgraded) part of the installation process will run update-rc.d or some such, and that will automatically put symlinks into rc2.d based on that Default-Start line |
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| 20:11.50 | alphanet | rubidious: man update-rc.d, read the section INSTALLING INIT SCRIPT LINKS, especially the sentence starting with A common system administration error [ ... ] |
| 20:12.33 | alphanet | Vasistha_: unless there is already ANY symlink (see the manpage, at least for squeeze) |
| 20:12.34 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: oh n/m listen to alphanet he clearly knows more about this |
| 20:12.49 | alphanet | Vasistha_: I know nothing, I read manpages |
| 20:12.52 | alphanet | Vasistha_: :-> |
| 20:13.03 | Vasistha_ | alphanet: you know what you read in the manpage |
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| 20:13.46 | rubidious | alphanet: ok, that is definitely good reading |
| 20:14.16 | rubidious | I need a refresher on which runlevels are which before I go deleting things though |
| 20:14.21 | rubidious | TO THE INTERNET |
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| 20:14.45 | alphanet | rubidious: for services like Apache and stuff, rm /etc/rc?.d/S*apache* will work no problem |
| 20:14.57 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: meh. Just ignore runlevels 3-5 and put your customizations in 2. S,0,1 are for startup/shutdown/restart |
| 20:15.09 | rubidious | well the manpage says to rename S->K, so if there is no K I'd fuck myself |
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| 20:15.23 | alphanet | rubidious: there will always be a K in my experience |
| 20:15.35 | alphanet | rubidious: just one is enough |
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| 20:15.38 | rubidious | well I use 1 for emergencies and stuff on bsd, but my memory is fuzzy |
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| 20:16.13 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: oh wait .. sorry. 1 is single-user mode. |
| 20:16.21 | rubidious | yeah |
| 20:16.24 | Vasistha_ | rubidious: 0 and 6 are restart and halt I believe, I forget which is which |
| 20:16.48 | alphanet | 0 is shutdown, 6 is reboot |
| 20:17.14 | rubidious | so the readme in rc2.d says to rename the scripts |
| 20:17.16 | rubidious | no K anywhere |
| 20:17.24 | rubidious | but I don't have apache installed right now heh |
| 20:17.44 | alphanet | rubidious: if you do the rm above, I get on my squeeze: schaefer@reliand:~$ ls /etc/rc?.d/*apache* |
| 20:17.48 | rubidious | K in rc1 though |
| 20:17.48 | alphanet | /etc/rc0.d/K01apache2 /etc/rc1.d/K01apache2 /etc/rc6.d/K01apache2 |
| 20:17.55 | alphanet | rubidious: so update-rc.d will never modify it |
| 20:17.57 | darm0k | quaplah |
| 20:18.05 | rubidious | cool |
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| 20:18.13 | alphanet | rubidious: worked like a charm for the last 2 years on many squeeze systems |
| 20:18.25 | rubidious | alphanet: it's not that I don't trust you I just want to cover my bases before I go rming in /etc |
| 20:18.30 | rubidious | :) |
| 20:18.35 | rubidious | and reading never hurts |
| 20:18.57 | alphanet | rubidious: yes, I suggest, if you have some time, reading /etc/init.d/README and the links it refers |
| 20:19.23 | rubidious | yep :) |
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| 20:19.59 | rubidious | well we'll see if this works after a few apache updates heh |
| 20:20.03 | rubidious | thanks for the help guys :) |
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| 20:40.25 | aguitel | how to know myip address with command line ? |
| 20:40.38 | jmcnaught | ip addr |
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| 20:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what evil witch magic is that. any decent answer should have contained "ifconfig" :( |
| 20:42.36 | epsilon | if you are lazy "ip a" |
| 20:43.22 | epsilon | ifconfig doesnt show all ip if an interface has many |
| 20:44.14 | martin___ | and you need to be root |
| 20:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not |
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| 20:44.49 | martin___ | for ifconfig? |
| 20:45.04 | epsilon | nop |
| 20:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course... /sbin is just not in the $PATH |
| 20:45.16 | epsilon | run /sbin/ifconfig as user |
| 20:45.23 | martin___ | ah, okay |
| 20:45.36 | mechanicalduck | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 20:45.40 | mechanicalduck | something I should worry about? |
| 20:45.42 | mechanicalduck | or just ignore it |
| 20:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and how can an interface have many IPs... I thought you have sub-interfaces like eth0:1 or somesuch and ipconfig does show these |
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| 20:47.26 | epsilon | CutMeOwnThroat: yea thats old style |
| 20:47.52 | epsilon | these days just run "ip addr add x.x.x.x/x dev eth0" |
| 20:48.00 | aguitel | /sbin/ifconfig with or not with sudo does not show my ip |
| 20:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mechanicalduck, not as such, but possibly... it could prevent you from installing packages if this is an error that prevents postinstall/postrm scripts from finishing successfully (which I've seen happen but am not sure will be the case for you) |
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| 20:48.53 | epsilon | del ip with "ip addr del ...", show ip with "ip addr" |
| 20:49.20 | aguitel | not myip |
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| 20:49.39 | aguitel | internet adress |
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| 20:50.13 | epsilon | is your host directly connected to net with, like ppp0? |
| 20:50.13 | aguitel | http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 20:50.23 | epsilon | or is it a host behind NAT |
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| 20:50.34 | aguitel | behind router |
| 20:50.42 | epsilon | ahh |
| 20:50.48 | tekkbuzz | echo My WanIP is: `lynx --dump "http://checkip.dyndns.org/" | gawk '{print $4}'` |
| 20:51.07 | tekkbuzz | requires lynx though |
| 20:51.24 | epsilon | yea, any web serive returning your public IP |
| 20:51.34 | aguitel | bash: lynx: command not found |
| 20:51.35 | aguitel | bash: gawk: command not found |
| 20:51.44 | epsilon | install them *shrugs* |
| 20:51.56 | tekkbuzz | sudo apt-get install lynx |
| 20:52.59 | jmcnaught | aguitel: how about "curl http://ipecho.net/plain;echo" ? |
| 20:53.28 | martin___ | or wget http://v4.ipv6-test.com/api/myip.php -q -O - |
| 20:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... awk must be there by default and what awk is that if it's not gawk |
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| 20:54.00 | aguitel | jmcnaught, right |
| 20:54.17 | tekkbuzz | yes awk works too. |
| 20:54.18 | cthuluh | or any cgi script... printf '%s\n\n%s\n' 'Content-type: text/plain' "$REMOTE_ADDR" |
| 20:54.21 | ctmjr | wget www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp -O - -q |
| 20:54.25 | aguitel | tekkbuzz, right |
| 20:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 20:54.46 | ctmjr | that was wrong |
| 20:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, what's my ip |
| 20:54.49 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 20:55.18 | martin___ | wat |
| 20:56.08 | tekkbuzz | anyone got this to work? echo My WanIP is: `lynx --dump "http://checkip.dyndns.org/" | awk '{print $4}'` |
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| 20:57.10 | tekkbuzz | works for me. |
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| 20:57.38 | lautriv | hey there ;) |
| 20:57.42 | lautriv | NFS4 --> if i mount host1:/srv/foo successfully, why may a mount host1:/srv/bar delay infinite ? |
| 20:59.04 | mad_ | I installed Debian 7 Wheezy with success and have been using it well till yesterday. However now it does not get to Gnome. It stays on the black screen and prompts me "Debian GNU/Linux 7 myworkshop tty \n myworkshop login: " How to automatically starts Gnome again ? |
| 21:00.00 | lautriv | mad_, /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 21:00.17 | martin___ | mad_: sudo update-rc.d enable gdm |
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| 21:02.38 | marcusk | mad_: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and friends, it could be that it attempts to start gnome but fails and falls back to text console. |
| 21:02.44 | mad_ | ok, which one do I try first ? |
| 21:03.05 | marcusk | mad_: I would check the log and go from there |
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| 21:05.33 | mad_ | lautriv: I don't get such thing: default-display-manager under /etc/X11 |
| 21:05.48 | martin___ | i do neither |
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| 21:07.09 | lautriv | mad_, Martin__ it may happen this is not longer in use or only present if at any time more than one was installed. i have one. |
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| 21:09.30 | mad_ | marcusk: I found that log but I don't really know what tot look for in it or to do with it.. I'm a newcomer |
| 21:09.48 | martin___ | lautriv: right, thanks |
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| 21:11.03 | mad_ | martin___: after update-rc it tells me that usage is wrong the way you typed |
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| 21:12.40 | WebSearchingPro | tekkbuzz: echo Your IP is: `curl -s http://ifconfig.me/ip` - often systems dont have Lynx, heres another way. |
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| 21:15.48 | martin___ | mad_ hm, i am using kde, does "find /etc -name *gdm" find anything? |
| 21:15.49 | tekkbuzz | how about: echo $(wget -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d\< -f1) |
| 21:16.37 | mad_ | martin___: it does not. |
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| 21:17.07 | martin___ | and you can start gnome manually via "/etc/init.d/gdm start"? |
| 21:17.21 | tekkbuzz | WebSearchingPro: you see my second example? |
| 21:17.25 | marcusk | mad_: Check fo EE, that's an error. |
| 21:17.35 | WebSearchingPro | ahh sorry I didnt |
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| 21:18.19 | WebSearchingPro | nice, :) wget isnt installed by default *sometimes* though :P Thats why I went with a curl approach, I dont think I've encountered a machine without curl |
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| 21:18.51 | WebSearchingPro | It works though |
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| 21:19.08 | martin___ | WebSearchingPro: i dont have curl installed |
| 21:19.18 | WebSearchingPro | I see. |
| 21:19.27 | WebSearchingPro | Well then :) |
| 21:19.31 | mad_ | marcusk: what does EE stand for ? |
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| 21:20.17 | tekkbuzz | electrical engineering? |
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| 21:22.21 | tekkbuzz | sorry that just came to mind. |
| 21:23.00 | martin___ | mad_: Does it work? "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" |
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| 21:26.27 | ZIPY | is there a recovery tool that can recover by filename? since i got to many deleted .zip files |
| 21:27.03 | abrotman | martin___: probably gdm3 now |
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| 21:27.20 | Evidlo | when i type "sudo vi" am i running vim? |
| 21:27.37 | martin___ | abrotman: oh |
| 21:27.43 | Evidlo | its acting very strangely, i can barely use it |
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| 21:28.32 | epsilon | use emacs-nox if unsure :P |
| 21:28.33 | babilen | Evidlo: You might just have a very basic vim package installed (vim-tiny that is) -- If you want you can install a more full-featured one such as, say, vim-gtk or so. |
| 21:28.41 | babilen | epsilon: really? |
| 21:28.52 | marcusk | mad_: EE stands for error |
| 21:28.58 | tvm | Evidlo: "strangely" ? what you mean ? |
| 21:29.10 | babilen | Evidlo: Run "aptitude search ~n^vim" for an overview of available vim packages. |
| 21:29.13 | tvm | Evidlo: it doesn't acts like vi(m) ? |
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| 21:30.03 | Evidlo | ok, i installed vim and its working properly now |
| 21:30.15 | Evidlo | so yeah, mustve been vim-tiny |
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| 21:30.24 | tvm | Evidlo: hmm, indeed. |
| 21:30.40 | Evidlo | is vim really so large that it needs a smaller repackaged version? |
| 21:30.40 | epsilon | which vi and dpkg -S vi should tell more |
| 21:30.51 | martin___ | abrotman: the cognitive drawback of tab completition... |
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| 21:31.27 | mad_ | marcusk: file not found |
| 21:31.30 | martin___ | mad_: "/etc/init.d/gdm3 start" |
| 21:31.35 | martin___ | sorry |
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| 21:31.58 | marcusk | Evidlo: It's probably because it has dependencies which everyone might not want |
| 21:32.27 | tvm | Evidlo: it's about 25 megs |
| 21:32.42 | tvm | Evidlo: that is alot |
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| 21:33.48 | Evidlo | it also seems weird that vim-tiny would want to change the macros |
| 21:34.20 | Evidlo | im sure i wouldnt ever have even noticed if it werent for that |
| 21:34.27 | mad_ | martin___: same way file not found |
| 21:34.43 | marcusk | mad_: Do you actually have gdm3 installed? |
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| 21:36.12 | mad_ | I always used Gnome |
| 21:37.04 | martin___ | mad_: try (re)installing it: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install gdm3" |
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| 21:37.38 | lautriv | gnome is a mess since version 3, let me switch to XFCE. |
| 21:38.27 | marcusk | Gnome 3.0 was a mess, but I find the version packaged in Wheezy to be decent. |
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| 21:38.46 | babilen | (and let us please not have this discussion *again*) |
| 21:39.01 | babilen | Just use what you want to use and be happy (or not if that's your thing) |
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| 21:40.48 | marcusk | Ah, flame wars. I must have missed that. =) |
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| 21:41.31 | marcusk | mad_: Have you installed or uninstalled any particular package recently? |
| 21:41.50 | mad_ | tried to uninstall OpenJDK 6 |
| 21:42.34 | marcusk | That should not remote your display manager |
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| 21:42.53 | marcusk | But you could check /var/log/apt/history.log just in case to see if it removed anything else |
| 21:42.54 | martin___ | it's java... |
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| 21:43.15 | lautriv | java and php can do anything but sane ... |
| 21:43.15 | marcusk | Now that's a totally different discussion which we should also not have =) |
| 21:43.46 | babilen | marcusk: You seem to have read my mind ;) |
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| 21:44.32 | lautriv | ok, another one ........ for what reason may rpcbind running crazy on startup and work reasonable if killed/restarted after that ? |
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| 21:45.42 | halogenek | Hi! |
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| 21:58.39 | qaz | Hi |
| 21:58.57 | Evidlo | do you guys agree with the pulseaudio wiki in that it shouldnt be run system-wide? |
| 21:59.25 | qaz | how set tuxonice to use the cfg file on /etc/splash/tuxonice? |
| 21:59.40 | qaz | any suggestion? |
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| 22:01.19 | qaz | I'm try to get the fbsplash for tuxonice...so far I haven't any progress |
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| 22:06.37 | nosuid | Anyone used aufs or fsprotect? |
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| 22:07.02 | Evidlo | whats the difference between /etc/fstab and /etc/exports? |
| 22:07.25 | badiane_ka | I'm looking for a reference to a company which offers "enterprise" level support for Debian in the U.S. |
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| 22:08.13 | badiane_ka | fstab is for the what is to be mounted locally and exports is for NFS exports |
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| 22:09.52 | badiane_ka | such that on your local system you would mount remotely available NFS exports by placing them in your fstab and remote (also local via network) can mount what you allow to be mounted. |
| 22:10.16 | badiane_ka | @Evidlo: forgot to place you id :-) |
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| 22:33.47 | qaz | eheh I figured out :) |
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| 22:52.36 | lautriv_ | anyone observed race-conditions with rpcbind ? |
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| 23:10.15 | Streusel | does debian's php5 not come with curl installed by default? |
| 23:10.42 | Streusel | I'm just asking because I've looked through suhosin and php.ini and couldn't find any trace of curl, trying grep now.. |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | php5-curl is a package |
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| 23:11.30 | Streusel | awh :/ and here I hoped it'd be a default |
| 23:11.42 | Streusel | owh well, that's still ok, thanks! |
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| 23:13.17 | lautriv | could anyone paste me output of "ls /etc/rc*/*networking" ? |
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| 23:15.13 | Vicissitude | probably could but their output would be different than yours most likely |
| 23:15.23 | Evidlo | lautriv: /etc/rc0.d/K07networking /etc/rc6.d/K07networking /etc/rcS.d/S12networking |
| 23:15.37 | Evidlo | thats a fresh wheezy install |
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| 23:16.00 | Streusel | got diff output but similar |
| 23:16.06 | Streusel | just different numbers |
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| 23:16.56 | blackMavel | wheezy 3.2.0-4-amd64 gdm 3.4.1-8 xomanad 0.10 libgmp-dev 2.5.0.5 installed libgmp.so.3 missing -> unable to launch xmonad -> segmentation fault |
| 23:17.41 | blackMavel | I mean xmonad 0.10 |
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| 23:19.35 | lautriv | Evidlo, you don't have it in rc2 ? |
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| 23:23.03 | Evidlo | lautriv: that was everything i got |
| 23:23.24 | lautriv | Evidlo, desktop ? |
| 23:23.51 | Evidlo | lautriv: no, X wasnt installed |
| 23:24.34 | lautriv | Evidlo, do you network-manager ? |
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| 23:26.16 | h31 | Hello. Can I ask here about building debs or there is a more suitable channel? |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | you can try here |
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| 23:31.13 | h31 | I want to add several patches for an existing packages. I executed apt-get source pkgname, put patches into debian/patches/ directory, added their names to series file. What should I do next? |
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| 23:33.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell h31 about source |
| 23:34.22 | reavengrey | doesnt lux's ult have a leash range |
| 23:34.28 | h31 | abrotman: so I just need to run dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 23:36.43 | Evidlo | im trying to run pulseaudio on a barebones x11 server but i keep getting this message http://www.rafb.me/results/yEAU3r86.html |
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| 23:37.30 | Evidlo | im using debian 7. mplayer appears to be connecting to pulse fine, but no audio |
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| 23:37.48 | daveeejr | i put an icon in /usr/shar/apt-install/icons and in the .desktop file i wrote Icon=nameofapp and the icon is saved as nameofapp.png. but it still doesnt show up in the app menu? any advice? |
| 23:42.18 | blackMavel | Hello, can I post here a question about xmonad or should I go to haskell channel ? |
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| 23:50.30 | martin__1 | daveejr: use the full path |
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| 23:51.19 | abrotman | blackMavel: you can try here, you may or may not get an answer |
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| 23:53.44 | brontosaurusrex | daveeejr, /usr/share/icons/yourtheme is probably the place |
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| 23:54.27 | brontosaurusrex | or /home/user/.icons/yourtheme |
| 23:54.42 | daveeejr | brontosaurusrex: in the .desktop file if i just put: Icon=myapp rather than the path or myapp.png. what folder is accessed? |
| 23:54.52 | daveeejr | brontosaurusrex: that is where i want to put the icon |
| 23:55.33 | brontosaurusrex | "in the .desktop file if i just put: Icon=myapp" < that should be fine |
| 23:56.10 | blackMavel | well I am running gdm3 and in addition to gnome3 I would like to install xmonad but it always returns to the gdm3 login session |
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