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| 00:00.46 | blackMavel | I got the solution -> find the alternative libgmp.so.10 in a different location and then just make a simlink to it like "ln /usr/lib/x86.../libgmp.so.10 /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3" |
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| 00:50.29 | Evidlo | im trying to run pulseaudio on a barebones x11 server but i keep getting this message http://www.rafb.me/results/yEAU3r86.html |
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| 00:55.23 | h31 | Hello. How to force dh_auto_configure use cmake? |
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| 00:58.54 | sparky4_ | there is som serious problems with the debian squeeze to wheezy upgrade |
| 00:59.24 | dvs | ha! not for me! |
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| 01:00.14 | themill | dpkg: tell h31 about mentors |
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| 01:01.13 | h31 | themill: thanks |
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| 01:32.16 | sparky4_ | no ethernet |
| 01:32.21 | sparky4_ | no X windows |
| 01:32.26 | sparky4_ | what the fuck man?! |
| 01:32.36 | themill | dpkg: tell sparky4_ about ask |
| 01:33.06 | james41382 | what package(s) control the automagic mount/umount features in wheezy? |
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| 01:34.18 | themill | james41382: udisks is the lowest layer for most (all?) of the implementations in wheezy. Details vary from desktop to deskotp though |
| 01:34.29 | sparky4_ | james41382: the config file is /etc/fstab |
| 01:35.24 | james41382 | I have installed wheezy several times and this hasn't been an issue, then recently ( i think after the computer hibernated for the first time maybe?) the auto mount and unmount are messed up. |
| 01:35.59 | jiohdi | I have always had issues with hibernation but never with suspend |
| 01:37.13 | james41382 | i am not sure if that's the cause, but i can't think of any other. i forgot to plug in the battery last night and then this morning i noticed it. but now i am wondering how to fix it. any ideas? |
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| 01:41.42 | james41382 | i am just noticing after fiddling with it that in nautilus i can see the drive appear after i plug it in and i can "safely remove it" fine i just can't mount it. i can mount it with as root though. i get this message: http://pastebin.com/4A6L5epa |
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| 01:45.45 | abrotman | if it appears with nautilus, it's mounted |
| 01:47.48 | james41382 | abrotman: it appears, but i can't access it. it gives the error from the pastebin above. i can mount it from the terminal as root though. then i can access it with nautilus as my regular user. |
| 01:48.15 | james41382 | this is also an issue with the usb drive i put /boot on... |
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| 01:48.48 | abrotman | is it a mount point permissions problem? |
| 01:49.24 | james41382 | abrotman: that is what the error seems to indicate, but i am stumped as to why all the sudden i am receiving this error when it has been working fine in the past. |
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| 01:52.38 | totimkopf | yeah so I've just finished installing wheezy and to my surprise.. I have this awkard futurstic window manager...how do I get rid of it? |
| 01:52.51 | dvs | heh |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | totimkopf: install something you like? |
| 01:53.54 | james41382 | totimkopf: there are options to install other wm during the install. |
| 01:54.19 | james41382 | the default is gnome/gnome classic it seems. |
| 01:54.44 | totimkopf | oh, I must have blindly clicked through that... |
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| 01:55.00 | totimkopf | what did squeeze have? |
| 01:55.05 | totimkopf | I liked squeeze just fine |
| 01:55.16 | dvs | gnome 2 |
| 01:55.38 | totimkopf | ah, and I probably will have install gnome 3, instead, right? |
| 01:55.55 | dvs | yep, gnome 2 is dead |
| 01:56.04 | themill | totimkopf: you might like to look at xfce as that seems to be what a lot of gnome 2 users have switched to. Or just customise gnome 3 to your liking and learn to get on with life |
| 01:56.20 | totimkopf | haha |
| 01:56.34 | totimkopf | themill: I will lose sleep over this |
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| 02:00.42 | james41382 | Okay so I recently reinstall wheezy and maybe because of the options i selected or for whatever reason it seems as though the automagic usb mounting is no longer working and after reading online a bit it looks like i should install usbmount. is that the standard for wheezy? i also saw a package autofs.. |
| 02:03.20 | cmoy | james41382, did you install from a usb source device? |
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| 02:08.09 | rryoumaa | does the installer do anything different for different types of hard drives? |
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| 02:35.50 | james41382 | cmoy: no i did a net install from cd. |
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| 02:40.30 | daveeejr | using wheezy. can anyone help me with this error, when the computer suspends? http://picpaste.com/photo-49gP4TaR.JPG |
| 02:40.44 | daveeejr | it does suspend and come out of it, i just want to understand the error and if possible remove it |
| 02:40.49 | daveeejr | fix it |
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| 02:43.54 | martianlobster | It has been a few years since I compiled a kernel. I want to compile the 3.10 kernel tonight. Has the method to compile kernels changed? Is there a recommended set of instructions? |
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| 03:04.41 | darm0k | his eyes uncovered |
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| 03:23.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | um guys where is ia32-libs-i386 |
| 03:23.41 | abrotman | in what? |
| 03:23.46 | daveeejr | using wheezy. can anyone help me with this error, when the computer suspends? http://picpaste.com/photo-49gP4TaR.JPG |
| 03:23.52 | daveeejr | it manages to suspend and return, but i would like to understand the error |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about multiarch |
| 03:29.23 | pilgrimX | I am going to enable some firewall rules with iptables on a new system running Debian. :P After reading some guides, I am l now under the impression that putting an executable file here like so, "nano /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables", would ensure that it gets run when the system boots. Is that so, or am I mistaken? |
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| 05:11.06 | mumixam | Eryn_1983_FL: wheezy? |
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| 05:12.44 | mumixam | try this |
| 05:12.48 | mumixam | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 05:12.48 | dpkg | mumixam: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:12.51 | mumixam | apt-get update |
| 05:13.09 | mumixam | apt-get install ia32-libs |
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| 05:15.32 | jiohdi | ain't wheezy suppozed to be multi-arch already? |
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| 05:16.33 | mumixam | not sure about that, i tried to install those libs the other day and it didnt work outof the box like 6 did |
| 05:16.41 | themill | it is |
| 05:16.47 | mumixam | had to run that dpkg command then update |
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| 05:21.12 | james41382 | I just shutdown w/o unmounting a USB drive and now I am getting a fsck error on boot. |
| 05:22.27 | james41382 | fsck died with exit status 8 something.... |
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| 05:46.38 | Guest81140 | hi.. I want to try debian.. i looked into this:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ And confuse by seeing so many iso's !! Which one to choose ? Do i need to download all from 1-8 ? |
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| 05:53.16 | james41382 | Guest81140: you can do the net install ISP which is only one disk if you have your computer hooked up to the Internet. |
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| 06:54.08 | ooommm | hi; may you glance this page: http://colmanlayout.webs.com/; Have you any idea for improving it? I would appreciate any idea; Would you like to use this keyboard layout instead of ancient QWERTY layout?; If yes, I'll continue for writing its documents. the layout is based of a large amount of analyses! |
| 06:56.44 | themill | ooommm: please keep on-topic. |
| 06:56.49 | Vicissitude | Don't understand why people want to keep reinventing keyboard layouts. aren't qwerty, dvorak and azerty enough? |
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| 07:02.01 | peterrooney | is there a pager that does word wrap? |
| 07:02.29 | ooommm | Vicissitude: http://axgig.com/images/16499134844061010078.jpeg -> Test yourself with any desired text: http://patorjk.com/keyboard-layout-analyzer/ |
| 07:02.29 | ooommm | themill: Sorry, this was the last off-comment |
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| 07:08.07 | peterrooney | Huh. Almost built-in: fold -w $COLUMNS -s textfile | pager |
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| 07:21.21 | Some_Person | Does anyone here have gnome-games installed? |
| 07:21.53 | mumpitzel | ask your real question |
| 07:22.29 | Some_Person | There's an icon that appears to be missing in several gnome games, and I can't figure out what package provides it |
| 07:22.59 | Some_Person | I want to see if anyone else is experiencing the same problem |
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| 07:24.31 | Some_Person | and if they're not experiencing the problem, they can run a command that should tell me what package provides it |
| 07:24.47 | mumpitzel | dpkg -L <path to file> |
| 07:24.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching <path to file> |
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| 07:25.11 | mumpitzel | sorry. it's early: dpkg -S <path to file>. -L shows all files of a package |
| 07:25.27 | Some_Person | I don't know the exact path, but the icon should be named stock_scores.png or stock_scores.svg |
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| 07:26.02 | mumpitzel | find / -name stock_scores.png |
| 07:26.07 | mumpitzel | then you will know |
| 07:26.12 | peterrooney | !apt-file |
| 07:26.12 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 07:26.14 | Some_Person | not useful when it's missing on my system |
| 07:26.32 | Some_Person | okay, I'll try apt-file |
| 07:26.39 | peterrooney | debian has this issue covered ^_^ |
| 07:26.44 | themill | ,file stock_scores.png |
| 07:26.49 | judd | Search for stock_scores.png in wheezy/i386: libgnomeui-doc: usr/share/doc/libgnomeui-doc/html/stock_scores.png |
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| 07:27.00 | Some_Person | that isn't it |
| 07:27.03 | themill | (that's an odd place for an icon to be found) |
| 07:27.16 | Some_Person | ,file stock_scores.svg |
| 07:27.20 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 07:27.28 | Some_Person | well shit |
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| 07:28.10 | Some_Person | I guess I was wrong about the file name then |
| 07:28.21 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: you ask the person who has the file to run it, then you know the path. then you ask to run the dpkg -S command and you have the package |
| 07:28.24 | themill | Yeah, that was my next question -- how are you determining it? |
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| 07:28.56 | Suru | !paste |
| 07:28.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:29.18 | Some_Person | themill: I found a bug report on ubuntu's bugtracker for the same problem that gave the filename as stock_scores.svg |
| 07:29.28 | themill | ah |
| 07:29.58 | themill | Does that name make sense for the missing icon? |
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| 07:30.04 | Some_Person | themill: Yes |
| 07:30.27 | Some_Person | ,find scores.png |
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| 07:30.33 | judd | Search for scores.png in wheezy/i386: [truncated] orbital-eunuchs-sniper-data: usr/share/games/orbital_eunuchs_sniper/highscores.png; pysycache-images: usr/share/games/pysycache/images/btn-admin-scores.png, usr/share/games/pysycache/images/btn-scores.png, usr/share/games/pysycache/images/fond-scores.png; frozen-bubble-data: usr/share/games/frozen-bubble/gfx/back_hiscores.png; 4digits: |
| 07:30.34 | judd | usr/share/doc/4digits/images/scores.png; libgnomeui-doc: usr/share/doc/libgnomeui-doc/html/stock_scores.png; gpe-icons: usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/highscores.png; amoebax-data: usr/share/games/amoebax/graphics/highscores.png; gnomine: usr/share/help/C/gnomine/figures/highscores.png, usr/share/help/ca/gnomine/figures/highscores.png, usr/share/help/cs/gnomine/figures/highscores.png, (2 more messages) |
| 07:30.47 | themill | (you might like to do that in a /query with judd) |
| 07:30.53 | Some_Person | Okay, I will |
| 07:30.55 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: /msg judd <commands>. |
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| 07:47.40 | Some_Person | I really just want to see if others have this same issue (especially if they have GNOME installed) |
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| 07:49.06 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: then check bto |
| 07:49.11 | mumpitzel | *bdo |
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| 07:49.27 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: What is that? |
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| 07:50.01 | JohK | hi |
| 07:50.35 | JohK | dkms keeps breaking for me (i.e. Error! DKMS tree already contains: nvidia-304.88 ...) |
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| 07:50.50 | JohK | after apt-get update/upgrades that contained a kernel update |
| 07:51.46 | JohK | The only thing that helps is purging dkms and removing all of its files manually from the cache |
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| 07:52.14 | JohK | any idea how to fix this permanently? |
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| 07:53.13 | mumpitzel | !tell Some_Person about bdo |
| 07:54.22 | themill | (I suspect you mean bugs.debian.org (aka bts) not backports.debian.org here) |
| 07:54.58 | mumpitzel | should go back to bed |
| 07:54.59 | mumpitzel | thanks themill |
| 07:55.36 | JohK | anyone else having similar problems with dkms? |
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| 08:09.12 | jsonlee | is there any open source game that has the same style as myth: the fallen lord? |
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| 08:22.01 | mathisen | jsonlee i dont know at all about the style but if you want a desent rts game check out 0ad > http://play0ad.com/ |
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| 08:25.07 | jsonlee | mathisen: thanks. i played 0ad and it's a good game! recently i just want to play something like 0ad where their solider can have different formation. |
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| 08:29.05 | mathisen | cant help you look if you find anything here > http://www.lgdb.org/category/genre/strategy |
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| 08:53.46 | a-l-e | ls Almamegretta_-_F* |
| 08:53.46 | a-l-e | ls: cannot access Almamegretta_-_Fattal _-_05_-_Sole_(Breakfast_Dub).ogg: No such fil |
| 08:53.46 | a-l-e | e or directory |
| 08:53.54 | a-l-e | ... any idea how i can remove that file? |
| 08:54.19 | a-l-e | rm Almamegretta_-_F* has worked with the othe files but not with this one. |
| 08:54.41 | babilen | a-l-e: "rm Almamegretta_-_Fattal _-_05_-_Sole_\(Breakfast_Dub\).ogg" |
| 08:55.17 | babilen | a-l-e: If that doesn't work provide additional information (such as "ls -l" output) on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:56.40 | a-l-e | babilen: the problem is that after "Fattal" there is a à which is wrongly encoded |
| 08:57.26 | a-l-e | rm Almamegretta_-_F* |
| 08:57.26 | a-l-e | rm: cannot remove `Almamegretta_-_Fattal\340_-_05_-_Sole_(Breakfast_Dub).ogg': No suc |
| 08:57.26 | a-l-e | h file or directory |
| 08:57.50 | mumpitzel | a-l-e: use mc (midnight commander) |
| 08:58.00 | a-l-e | ok, i can try it! |
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| 08:59.28 | a-l-e | ok, mc shows a red file... |
| 08:59.48 | a-l-e | of size 0 |
| 08:59.49 | mumpitzel | can you delete it? F8? |
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| 09:00.13 | a-l-e | and it can't delete it with F8 |
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| 09:01.32 | mumpitzel | any error? |
| 09:01.54 | a-l-e | no such file or directory (2) |
| 09:02.08 | babilen | a-l-e: Please show me the output of "ls -il" on that file or every file in the directory or whatever. |
| 09:02.50 | babilen | a-l-e: Throw in "stat" output too |
| 09:03.07 | a-l-e | babilen: ls -il also shows "no such file or directory" |
| 09:03.13 | blubberdiblub | it might be beneficial to ask for the filesystem and whether it has been checked for corruption |
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| 09:03.51 | a-l-e | cannot stat, no such file or directory |
| 09:04.15 | babilen | a-l-e: Then run it without arguments -- you don't have to specify that file specifically. |
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| 09:04.29 | babilen | .. I just want the inode number ... *sniff* |
| 09:05.06 | a-l-e | stat -f . looks ok |
| 09:05.14 | mumpitzel | babilen: can you delete by inode? |
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| 09:05.55 | babilen | mumpitzel: You can chain it with find which is what I am planning to do, but a-l-e can't seem to run "ls -il" in the directory that contains that file. |
| 09:06.22 | a-l-e | i can run ls -il in the directory... |
| 09:06.34 | a-l-e | but i can't run "ls -il that_file" |
| 09:06.37 | babilen | mumpitzel: I plan to do something like: find /path/to/directory -inum $INODE -exec echo {} \; |
| 09:06.45 | mumpitzel | a-l-e: no one asked you to run "ls -il that_file" |
| 09:07.08 | babilen | "Then run it without arguments" |
| 09:07.15 | a-l-e | ok |
| 09:07.44 | babilen | mumpitzel: Well, s/echo/rm/ really, but lets check if we can get the file first. |
| 09:09.14 | a-l-e | paste.debian.net... Could not insert paste into db: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xe02e6f ... it's my day! |
| 09:10.17 | blubberdiblub | a-l-e, is it on a FAT filesystem? |
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| 09:10.49 | a-l-e | pastebin does just a little bit better... http://pastebin.com/JWbFnUG4 |
| 09:11.12 | a-l-e | it's a ntfs filesystem |
| 09:11.21 | babilen | a-l-e: Okay ... if you run that you should have a listing of something like: "145588 -rw-r--r-- 1 babilen babilen 0 Aug 1 14:31 a" -- The first number is the inode. |
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| 09:12.12 | babilen | a-l-e: Once you have that you should be able to run "find /path/to/directory -inum $THE_INODE_NUMBER -exec echo {} \;" which does, hopefully, list the file. Could you evaluate that? |
| 09:12.22 | blubberdiblub | a-l-e, can you show us the used mount options? egrep 'fuse|ntfs' /proc/mounts |
| 09:12.36 | babilen | a-l-e: You can also try a different pastebin such as http://refheap.com |
| 09:14.19 | a-l-e | $ egrep 'fuse|ntfs' /proc/mounts |
| 09:14.19 | a-l-e | fusectl /sys/fs/fuse/connections fusectl rw,relatime 0 0 |
| 09:14.19 | a-l-e | /dev/sdc1 /mnt/ntfs fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 |
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| 09:14.41 | babilen | ... |
| 09:14.49 | blubberdiblub | a-l-e, it's mussing the utf8 mount option then. that might be your problem |
| 09:14.52 | blubberdiblub | missing |
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| 09:15.42 | a-l-e | sorry, no, that disk is not ntfs. |
| 09:15.45 | a-l-e | i got confused. |
| 09:16.03 | a-l-e | it's ext3 |
| 09:16.19 | babilen | ... |
| 09:16.21 | a-l-e | (i have a ntfs disk in where i'm trying to copy the files...) |
| 09:16.27 | blubberdiblub | a-l-e, okay, then follow along babilen's path, please |
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| 09:16.58 | babilen | a-l-e: Does that work? For extra points (and the next thing to try if it doesn't) include the output of: printf '%q\n' /path/to/directory/* |
| 09:17.14 | babilen | but then if you rather do something else, I don't insist on continuing with this |
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| 09:19.28 | babilen | a-l-e: And could you please paste the commands you run in addition to their output? I have no idea which command could result in the output at http://pastebin.com/JWbFnUG4 and doubt that it is that of "ls -il" |
| 09:19.42 | zee | If I have a remote debain server, whats the best way to mount a drive/foler?? |
| 09:19.47 | a-l-e | that was ls -il |
| 09:19.49 | a-l-e | sorry |
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| 09:20.00 | zee | Ive tried LUN (iscsi) and nfs... it doesnt seem to work that well |
| 09:20.10 | zee | does anyone have any experience with that? |
| 09:20.42 | a-l-e | the printf command above does show the offending file as: |
| 09:21.11 | a-l-e | $'/mnt/music/Shared/almamegretta/Almamegretta_-_Fattal\340_-_05_-_Sole_(Breakfast_Dub).ogg' |
| 09:21.18 | babilen | a-l-e: So, run "ls -il" in the directory in question *again* and paste the entire output with its command as well |
| 09:21.32 | zee | wow.. now we support piracy? |
| 09:22.03 | babilen | a-l-e: Ok, run: rm /mnt/music/Shared/almamegretta/Almamegretta_-_Fattal\340_-_05_-_Sole_\(Breakfast_Dub\).ogg |
| 09:22.24 | babilen | zee: Not at all - What makes you think we do? |
| 09:22.27 | zee | babilen, thats unetchical... |
| 09:22.30 | tvm | zee: ogg is piracy ? |
| 09:22.42 | zee | no, but that is: /Almamegretta_-_Fattal\340_-_05_-_Sole_\(Breakfast_Dub\ |
| 09:22.48 | a-l-e | babilen: no such file or directory :-( |
| 09:22.55 | a-l-e | ok, i think it's bette to give up |
| 09:23.24 | zee | yea, go somewhere else with those requests... thank you |
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| 09:23.35 | a-l-e | zee: talking to me? |
| 09:23.40 | babilen | a-l-e: No, but show me the "ls -il" output ... try: rm -- $'/mnt/music/Shared/almamegretta/Almamegretta_-_Fattal\340_-_05_-_Sole_(Breakfast_Dub).ogg' |
| 09:23.51 | a-l-e | ok |
| 09:23.55 | babilen | zee: Drop it please. |
| 09:23.59 | zee | no I wont |
| 09:24.05 | zee | i dont care |
| 09:24.18 | a-l-e | zee: i have the physical cd and the file is shared in my home network only. |
| 09:24.18 | babilen | zee: Yes you will. |
| 09:24.19 | zee | dont tell people how to manouver their pirated files |
| 09:24.26 | zee | no I wont |
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| 09:24.37 | babilen | You you will. |
| 09:24.53 | babilen | err, ... anyway. Lets continue. |
| 09:24.54 | a-l-e | in my country it is legal to make copies of your cd. |
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| 09:25.32 | a-l-e | rm -- $' ... also failed |
| 09:25.39 | a-l-e | going for ls -li |
| 09:25.40 | tvm | well the $ shouldn't be there |
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| 09:25.49 | babilen | a-l-e: Forget it -- Make sure to try the last rm command and then paste the *complete* "ls -il" output together with the command to http://refheap.com |
| 09:26.00 | blubberdiblub | i think the $ is deliberate. it's a bash feature or something |
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| 09:26.19 | tvm | blubberdiblub: never seen that |
| 09:26.37 | babilen | tvm: Let me dig up some documentation |
| 09:26.53 | tvm | babilen: i've used bash for 15 years, but this is new to me |
| 09:28.04 | tvm | a-l-e: just install midnight commander or something and get rid of that file, that's the easy way out |
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| 09:28.13 | blubberdiblub | tvm, he already tried that |
| 09:28.17 | tvm | ah. |
| 09:28.24 | tvm | hmmm. |
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| 09:28.40 | elkng | I have only 8 loop devices so I created one more using " |
| 09:28.50 | tvm | that happened to me few times aswell, but i don't really remember what i've did to get rid of that file. |
| 09:28.54 | blubberdiblub | i don't think the file is deletable right now. i'd opt for a fsck |
| 09:29.09 | elkng | I have only 8 loop devices so I created one more using "sudo mknod -m640 /dev/loop8 b 7 8" but after reboot it dissapeared, how to make it permanent as others from loop0 to loop7, they are permanent |
| 09:29.13 | elkng | ? |
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| 09:30.16 | mumpitzel | elkng: some udev rule is needed |
| 09:30.17 | babilen | I still believe that deleting it by inode (as I initially intended) would work - If only I had a way to know the inode ;) |
| 09:30.41 | blubberdiblub | yeah, that may be and i'm interested in the result |
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| 09:31.15 | a-l-e | ok, found a way to paste it in... |
| 09:31.25 | a-l-e | https://www.refheap.com/17200 |
| 09:31.38 | a-l-e | tvm: mc failed in deleting it |
| 09:31.52 | babilen | blubberdiblub: argh, can't find documentation on $'...' -- I've seen it in these contexts with printf a couple of times ... #bash should know and we should take it there in a second. |
| 09:32.10 | blubberdiblub | tvm, ^ |
| 09:32.26 | tvm | hmm, i see. |
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| 09:32.56 | babilen | okay, well .. that *does* look like a broken filesystem though. |
| 09:33.22 | tvm | i've found it. |
| 09:34.25 | babilen | But then I am not sure because a-l-e redirected the output and didn't actually paste the output of "ls -li" ... I also wonder "ls -il" had output on stdout ... |
| 09:34.53 | babilen | a-l-e: Are you sure that you pasted *exactly* what you see on the console and that you didn't tinker with the output a little? |
| 09:35.31 | babilen | tvm: Would you share it with us? |
| 09:35.39 | a-l-e | babilen: https://www.refheap.com/17200 |
| 09:35.51 | tvm | babilen: fighting with manpage formatting and pastebin right now :D |
| 09:35.52 | a-l-e | that's the output for ls -li |
| 09:36.05 | a-l-e | with the standard output message concening that file |
| 09:36.15 | babilen | a-l-e: No, it is not. You ran "ls -li > ls.txt" which shouldn't have any output .. and then somehow got lots of output later. |
| 09:36.32 | babilen | tvm: I can access manpages locally ;) |
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| 09:36.49 | a-l-e | yes, it's the output of > ls.txt + what came out in the standard output |
| 09:36.54 | a-l-e | i can't scroll up... |
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| 09:37.24 | a-l-e | well, i can scroll up if you really need it.... |
| 09:37.41 | babilen | a-l-e: So between "ls -il > ls.txt", the error message and the output you forgot to paste the "ls -il" command? |
| 09:37.42 | tvm | babilen: man bash, /\$ 7 times |
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| 09:38.11 | a-l-e | babilen: in the refheap paste the command is there |
| 09:38.29 | a-l-e | but i logged again in the server and now i should be able to scroll up... |
| 09:38.31 | babilen | a-l-e: No, I just want to be *entirely* sure that what I see on the pastebin is what you see. Tinkering with output is *bad* and right now I simply cannot assume that what you pasted is correct. |
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| 09:39.25 | a-l-e | babilen: the output in the new session looks the same... but i'll paste it again |
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| 09:39.44 | babilen | a-l-e: On which line in https://www.refheap.com/17200 do you see "ls -il" ? But meh, lets drop this. It looks like the filesystem went the way of the dodo and you should probably run fsck on it (umount it first or run it from live cd) |
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| 09:39.51 | blubberdiblub | (well, the relevant parts look consistent with the described behaviour to me) |
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| 09:40.25 | a-l-e | babilen: line 1? |
| 09:40.42 | a-l-e | i can unmount it. it's on an external disk |
| 09:41.27 | babilen | tvm: yay :) |
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| 09:41.39 | tvm | babilen: but it's probably not what he wants |
| 09:41.50 | babilen | a-l-e: line one is: ale@eisklang:/mnt/music/Shared/almamegretta$ ls -li > ls.txt -- I don't see "ls -il" there. |
| 09:41.51 | tvm | his problem is probably fs related. |
| 09:42.01 | babilen | tvm: yeah, right now I agree :) |
| 09:42.20 | blubberdiblub | tvm, he already mentioned it's on ext3. we already ruled out FAT or NTFS |
| 09:42.33 | a-l-e | as i said i had to redirect because dvtm does not let me scroll up |
| 09:42.41 | a-l-e | it's ext3 |
| 09:42.47 | a-l-e | i'll check the fs |
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| 09:44.21 | a-l-e | ls -li > ls.txt seems to give the seam results as "ls -il"... but i'll check the fs before doing anything else. |
| 09:44.49 | blubberdiblub | the file will likely be removed in the fsck run |
| 09:45.19 | babilen | yeah |
| 09:45.21 | mumpitzel | a-l-e: ls -ll |grep Fat and no scrolling |
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| 09:46.18 | a-l-e | yep, mumpitzelt that would also have been a solution |
| 09:46.32 | a-l-e | fscking right now. |
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| 09:48.04 | a-l-e | mmm... changed my mind... i think i'll first finish doing the backup before fscking |
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| 09:48.44 | babilen | very sensible |
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| 09:55.09 | babilen | a-l-e: Mind pasting the output of "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" (with /dev/sdX being the device node of the disk the filesystem we are working on resides on, should be something like /dev/sda) |
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| 09:58.36 | elkng | mumpitzel: but what about those 8 that are permanent ? does that mean there are somwhere allready some script that create them at the boot or something, can I just find that script and add few more ? |
| 09:59.13 | mumpitzel | elkng: I dunno if they are created on boot but you can create additional ones in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 10:26.00 | mmc1 | reading http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html ... what is meant by Provides "python-X.Y>foo" ? |
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| 10:31.16 | gnarface | mmc1: no, its an aritmetic comparison operator referring to the version number "foo" |
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| 10:32.19 | gnarface | mmc1: i'm pretty sure |
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| 10:40.22 | niklaswe | any idé how I should fix this problem.. I must upgrade my hp smart array 6i firmware, I have download the file, but the problem is that I cant running because it need old libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, and it alos complane about pushd and popd not found, even when they are there.. |
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| 10:45.14 | mumpitzel | niklaswe: install an older version of debian with the older libraries in a chroot |
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| 10:46.28 | jelly-home | niklaswe: or grab libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package from snapshots.debian.org |
| 10:47.12 | jelly-home | (or use the proliant firmware cd to flash the firmware) |
| 10:48.43 | niklaswe | jelly-home: hmm yeah maybe I should look how I can boot the iso file from grub instead.. |
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| 10:49.14 | jelly-home | niklaswe: why not boot it from another machine via iLO |
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| 11:21.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am getting a weird error trying to install some packages the lib32 multiarch packages |
| 11:22.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/ZQXd |
| 11:23.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 11:24.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i moved the fileouta the way and it didntmake it so i move it back weird |
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| 11:37.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | baaaah |
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| 11:38.58 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: right, that's how it's supposed to work |
| 11:39.08 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: where are you getting these packages from? |
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| 11:45.27 | wodim | is it possible to set audio volume with a CLI command? |
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| 11:45.43 | babilen | wodim: Look into amixer |
| 11:45.58 | wodim | ah nice |
| 11:46.00 | wodim | let us see |
| 11:46.23 | PapaSierra | general question: where are spam filters set up? at the mail server level or somewhere before that? if so, where? |
| 11:47.54 | vlt | PapaSierra: Depends. Usually at the mail server. (there’s nothing before that I think.) |
| 11:48.18 | mumpitzel | PapaSierra: depends on the filters. how is this a #debian question however? ask #networking or so |
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| 11:49.20 | vlt | PapaSierra: If you run a mail server like exim or postfix on Debian you can configure them to use something SpamAssassin to check incoming mail. |
| 11:49.27 | PapaSierra | vlt: that's what i thought. the way i understand it is that you can set up the spam application to receive mail as if it were a mail server listing on a port, and then it forwards it back out to the real mail server listing on the correct port |
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| 11:50.05 | vlt | PapaSierra: Usually done with a "plugin setuP" |
| 11:50.43 | PapaSierra | so in the end you can have one server with both postfix and spamassassin on it. or you can split them onto two servers. but conceptually they're both happening at the "mail server" level, which is what i wanted to confirm |
| 11:51.09 | PapaSierra | mumpitzel: sorry of the off topic ;) it's just we're using debian and i didn't know about #networking |
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| 11:54.30 | abrotman | PapaSierra: probably more relevant for #postfix actually .. but it really depends on the size of your installation |
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| 11:55.30 | wontonton | I need a bit of help with a knoppix DVD, it doesn't have the 'deb' command and I need to install a non-free package.http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:55.35 | Kev1 | hi, i can't play some radios on rhythmbox or totem but yes with vlc |
| 11:55.36 | PapaSierra | abrotman: ok thanks. yeah i was just checking if anyone had heard of this being somehow controlled at the domain name level. not even sure what that would look like. maybe changing mx records. anyway, i think i have a basic understanding |
| 11:56.09 | abrotman | PapaSierra: domain-based reputation is something I think spamhaus is working on offering, but don't quote me on that (but yes, people use it) |
| 11:56.25 | abrotman | wontonton: please ask #knoppix |
| 11:56.44 | PapaSierra | understood. ty everybody |
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| 11:58.56 | wontonton | abrotman: Knoppix is based on debian, nobody is active in #knoppix (not even any acknowledgement of the question). In short, I do not think my question will be answered there at all, whereas here, the relevant level of expertise is sufficient that someone may have an idea of how to install the nonfree flash without using the deb command. |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | wontonton: then please ask ##linux, we support Debian here, not everything based on Debian |
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| 12:00.46 | wodim | how could i watch a webcam on another computer over the network? |
| 12:02.41 | armin | 1) buy camera 2) mount under ceiling 3) put cables of your network under camera 4) watch the whole construct 5) ??? 6) PROFIT!!!! |
| 12:03.32 | mumpitzel | wodim: there are ip based webcams |
| 12:03.42 | mumpitzel | meaning, they act as a host on the network |
| 12:04.15 | wodim | no |
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| 12:04.18 | wodim | i want to see a webcam |
| 12:05.38 | Kev1 | do i need rhthmbox-plugin-coherence? |
| 12:05.47 | abrotman | is this an interactive conversation? or a monitoring situation? |
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| 12:07.00 | wodim | monitoring |
| 12:07.12 | wodim | i think i'm going to try vlc streaming capabilities |
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| 12:13.18 | Rubas | Hello, I have some problems with getting into Debian, I have just made a clean install of it, and now when i turn on my computer it gets me an error: no such device: <NUMBERS> grub rescue>_ |
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| 12:13.48 | Rubas | What can I do? |
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| 12:15.46 | Suru | !paste |
| 12:15.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:20.53 | mumpitzel | !tell Rubas about reinstall grub |
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| 12:24.42 | sephii | hey there, do you have any recommendation for a good photo album management program? I tried digikam but it doesn't play well with nfs, I tried shotwell but it doesn't modify pictures in-place and I tried f-spot but I couldn't even make it find my existing pictures without importing them |
| 12:25.28 | Kev1 | hi, i can't play some radios on rhythmbox or totem but yes with vlc |
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| 12:26.30 | sephii | i'd like to be able to import my pictures on an nfs share with a custom name (no automatic naming based on date), edit them (just rotate or delete) from the program |
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| 12:29.28 | abrotman | shotwell doesn't modify in place? |
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| 12:31.37 | sephii | abrotman: no, deleted images are still present in the directory, and rotated images are not rotated in the original directory. Also I found the import process very confusing, there's no way of specifying a target import directory, instead it automatically names the directories with a Y-m-d syntax |
| 12:33.01 | abrotman | sephii: did you note the Empty Trash option ? |
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| 12:34.53 | C00re | I'm trying to setup a software raid 1, however i dont really get the howtos on the web, if i understand it correct: i am suppose to set it up after debian is installed.. but that doesnt makes sense to me |
| 12:35.12 | C00re | i dont have debian installed yet |
| 12:35.46 | C00re | not sure where to start |
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| 12:38.46 | xauth | C00re: Do you intend to have your root fs on raid? |
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| 12:39.31 | C00re | that is my thought yes, will that be a problem? |
| 12:39.56 | C00re | i have 4*2TB sata disks installed |
| 12:40.04 | xauth | It's certainly possible. I have root on raid-0 now. unfortunately I can't remember exactly how I got there. |
| 12:40.17 | xauth | I also had to fight EFI boot. |
| 12:40.25 | xauth | :-/ |
| 12:40.48 | C00re | no efi on my machine |
| 12:41.33 | C00re | got a hp proliant microserver i want to setup raid and debian on |
| 12:41.37 | C00re | (n54l) |
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| 12:42.19 | xauth | I'm using a two-disk system. I reserved a boot partition on both, outside the raid area so the bios can boot from that. |
| 12:42.34 | xauth | The bios can boot from either, it's not raid. |
| 12:42.41 | Vasistha | I'm observing a reproducible kernel panic, is this worth reporting somewhere? |
| 12:42.43 | Vasistha | 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.46-1~bpo60+1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:42.49 | xauth | The rest of the disks goes into the software raid. |
| 12:43.03 | abrotman | Vasistha: on squeeze? |
| 12:43.04 | C00re | ok |
| 12:43.08 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:43.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.3-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 12:43.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: indeed |
| 12:43.26 | abrotman | Vasistha: have you ruled out hardware? |
| 12:43.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: hmm. my disc could be failing? |
| 12:44.14 | abrotman | i haven't seen the error .. |
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| 12:44.34 | xauth | C00re: I just can't remember if the installer provided the option to set up software raid. |
| 12:44.38 | Vasistha | ah right, I should give that info |
| 12:46.27 | xauth | I have 2xSSD , 1xHD. I set up ubuntu on the HD first, then used that system to prepare the 2 SSDs and install Debian on it using debootstrap. |
| 12:47.13 | xauth | So, I don't think I used the installer for the final system. |
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| 12:47.43 | bagpuss_thecat | iirc the installer supports raid |
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| 12:48.14 | C00re | at the partition step maybe then |
| 12:48.19 | bagpuss_thecat | yeah |
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| 12:49.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/22656/ |
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| 12:49.27 | xauth | C00re: but perhaps you should just go ahead and see where it breaks. As long as you know where you want to go. |
| 12:49.41 | xauth | C00re: ... if it breaks at all. |
| 12:49.48 | C00re | mmh.. |
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| 12:51.27 | xauth | C00re: you can make a few false starts when installing, should be no problem. |
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| 13:08.32 | backnforth | How do I install something that isn't in the "apt-get repository", "synaptic", and doesn't have a "make" file in it's files. |
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| 13:08.49 | dawud | backnforth: what it is? |
| 13:08.59 | dawud | backnforth: what is it?* |
| 13:09.25 | backnforth | dawud, acidbase |
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| 13:14.46 | gits1225 | "Virtual packages like 'gvim' can't be removed" |
| 13:14.55 | gits1225 | What are virtual packages and how do I remove them? |
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| 13:15.27 | themill | !virtual package |
| 13:15.27 | dpkg | A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo". |
| 13:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can remove something that doesn't exist? Is that some kind of zen? |
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| 13:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or can't |
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| 13:18.27 | gits1225 | hmm |
| 13:19.07 | themill | gits1225: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 13:19.27 | martianlobster | I am trying to compile a kernel. There is no mkinitcpio or mkinitcpio.conf on my system. How do I create the ramdisk? |
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| 13:19.33 | gits1225 | I am trying to remove gvim |
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| 13:20.39 | themill | gits1225: you're trying to remove the package which gives you /usr/bin/gvim? |
| 13:21.00 | gits1225 | yes |
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| 13:22.03 | themill | So you need to work out what package is giving you that file -- it's not necessarily a package with the same name as the executable as you've discovered. dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/gvim) |
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| 13:26.33 | martianlobster | about my previous question, nevermind, I found this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 13:27.21 | dD | There's a patch that fixes a bug in xorg that is already implemented in Ubuntu (since around 2011). How can I check which version of Debian would contain this patch/patch it myself? |
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| 13:27.56 | gits1225 | themill: Thanks, also what does apt-get autoclean do exactly? |
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| 13:28.30 | themill | the apt-get man page is remarkably good |
| 13:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dD, maybe aptitude changelog xorg ... but what probably works better is to find the bug on http://bugs.debian.org/ and see what the message says when/where it was fixed |
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| 13:33.51 | dD | CutMeOwnThroat, I can't find the bug report in Debian. It's in Ubuntu and it's in xOrg |
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| 13:34.35 | dD | CutMeOwnThroat, and in xOrg there's a patch as an attachment but it hasn't been implemented, only in Ubuntu. |
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| 13:35.41 | orflon | hello, I have Debian Wheezy newly installed. I change the volume through volume control (or even from Master in alsamixer) and it doesn't change. Only through PCM. Any clues? |
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| 13:36.31 | themill | dD: you'd need to work out which package it was actually for first. |
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| 13:39.00 | dD | themill, in Ubuntu, their patch is for xserver-xorg-core. The patches in the xorg bug reports are directly on source and seem to be different from the ubuntu packages. |
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| 13:41.36 | themill | dD: so if you don't find mention of it in the package changelog, you could look at http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/xorg-server or "apt-get source xorg-server" |
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| 13:43.45 | Itsm | Hi guys, can someone please explain me how do I extract rar archive? |
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| 13:45.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Itsm about rar |
| 13:47.11 | dD | themill, thanks. It's not applied to the current source. |
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| 13:48.34 | orflon | anyone? |
| 13:48.39 | dD | themill, actually, never mind, it is applied in version 1.12. |
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| 13:53.28 | mirak | when doing a chroot is it safe to mount /dev ? |
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| 13:56.33 | dD | themill, actually, it isn't fixed, sorry. I've got the source, and I got the patch. But I don't know if my patch is for my version of the source. What would be the correct way of going about this? Just manually? |
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| 14:13.34 | nezZario | So, |
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| 14:15.15 | nezZario | I notice /proc/ and /dev/pts are in fstab of one debian server, and NOT in the fstab of another debian server, but both seem to have what you would expect under /proc/.... no idea what /dev/pts is honestly, but both have the same contents, .. which includes the one WITHOUT it in fstab, .. so why the entry in fstab? |
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| 14:16.44 | dixoncx_ | Hi.. I just installed debian, with single cd: debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso. Now i want to install wvdial without internet access. I found this: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wvdial, but what about its dependencies...? |
| 14:17.26 | jkamp | dixoncx_: you'll need those too. It will tell you what you need when you try to install. |
| 14:17.41 | martianlobster | I want to remove a kernel from the grub2 menu. I see it in /boot/grub.cfg, but the online tutorials tell me not edit /boot/grub.cfg. I don't see any other way to remove this kernel. What should I do? |
| 14:18.01 | jkamp | uninstall the kernel. |
| 14:18.15 | martianlobster | jkamp: how do I do that? |
| 14:18.33 | jkamp | synaptic, apt-get, aptitude |
| 14:18.51 | martianlobster | it is a kernel that I compiled, I didn't apt-get install it |
| 14:19.36 | jkamp | Then I assume you manually added it to grub? You'll probaby need to manually remove it then. |
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| 14:20.06 | dixoncx_ | jkamp: i downloading wvdial from windows pc, then need to reboot into debian to install.. If you can help me to find required dependencies, i can download them too from this windows os.. |
| 14:20.15 | martianlobster | no, it was automatically installed by fakeroot I think |
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| 14:20.46 | jkamp | dixoncx_: wheezy? |
| 14:21.03 | dvs | dixoncx_: That's what apt-zip is for. I've never used it myself though. |
| 14:21.08 | jkamp | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wvdial |
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| 14:22.17 | dixoncx_ | debian stable.. Is it what called wheezy ? |
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| 14:22.32 | jkamp | Current stable, yes. |
| 14:22.51 | martianlobster | well manually editing grub.cfg worked just fine |
| 14:23.23 | jkamp | the dependancies are listed on that page dixoncx_ |
| 14:24.34 | dixoncx_ | jkamp: ok, will try, thanks... |
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| 14:25.09 | jkamp | dixoncx_: dvs is right about apt-zip though. As with him, i have no personal experience, but it sounds like it will suit yoru needs. https://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 14:25.19 | mumpitzel | martianlobster: when you install the next kernel, all your changes will be gone |
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| 14:25.42 | mumpitzel | martianlobster: run update-grub instead |
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| 14:25.53 | dvs | jkamp: actually, you need a working debian connection to get it to another debian install |
| 14:26.00 | dvs | I misspoke. |
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| 14:26.42 | jkamp | dvs: according to the wiki it can be done through cygwin on windows. |
| 14:26.53 | dvs | jumps for joy |
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| 14:35.32 | Jrwkti | on my PC USB 3.0 run as USB 2.0. How to fix it? http://pastebin.com/nqtAv04d |
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| 14:36.56 | mumpitzel | Jrwkti: what usb stick is it? |
| 14:37.13 | Jrwkti | transced j700 usb3.0 |
| 14:38.20 | mumpitzel | Jrwkti: fairly normal. write speed is around 10MB/s depending on model |
| 14:38.45 | mumpitzel | http://usb3speed.nirsoft.net/?pdesc=JetFlash+Transcend+8GB+USB+Device&vid=34148&pid=4096 read from the stick to check speeds |
| 14:40.02 | dvs | 20MB write speed doesn't exceed USB 2.0 speeds |
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| 14:44.53 | uwjesq | Hello. How can I change my smarthost settings the debian way? |
| 14:47.10 | xai | uwjesq: "dpkg-reconfigure MTA" ? |
| 14:47.49 | nezZario | Is there any benefit in mounting ext3 as ext4? |
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| 14:51.07 | dixoncx_ | Why there is no sudo by default in debian? |
| 14:51.19 | mumpitzel | there is. depending how you installed debian |
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| 14:51.51 | mumpitzel | either you set a root password, then there isn't (unless you install it and set it up yourself). or you don't set a root password and sudo will be ser up |
| 14:51.53 | xai | nezZario: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-10f27db6b96fe8c88d88528ced83a86c8cf4b6a6 |
| 14:52.18 | uwjesq | xai: No. |
| 14:52.26 | mumpitzel | dvs: it doesn't. but if that's all the hardware can, not even a fibrechannel link will increase speeds |
| 14:52.52 | dixoncx_ | I set root password while installing debian.. |
| 14:53.12 | mumpitzel | and that's why there is no sudo by default |
| 14:53.41 | xai | uwjesq: "no"? |
| 14:53.50 | xai | What you mean, "no"? |
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| 14:54.28 | mumpitzel | xai: there is no package named "MTA" in debian |
| 14:54.34 | uwjesq | xai: The answer to the question you asked me is no. |
| 14:54.51 | uwjesq | xai: What mumpitzel said. |
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| 14:55.06 | xai | mumpitzel: I've underlined the "MTA" as a hint to replace it with MTA named used on the system. |
| 14:55.15 | xai | name* |
| 14:55.23 | xai | Sorry for my english.. |
| 14:55.26 | dixoncx_ | can i install sudo with apt-get ? |
| 14:55.32 | jkamp | dixoncx_: yes |
| 14:55.33 | mumpitzel | kinda hard to underline anything in irc. just not possible since it's not part of the protocol |
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| 14:55.40 | mumpitzel | dixoncx_: yes |
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| 14:55.44 | xai | uwjesq: What MTA do you use? |
| 14:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitzel, it's not? amazing |
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| 14:56.39 | xai | mumpitzel: It's standart de-facto, IMHO |
| 14:56.41 | mumpitzel | CutMeOwnThroat: you can _cheat_ when you have a good client :P |
| 14:57.00 | uwjesq | Got it. exim4-config. Thanks. |
| 14:57.18 | mumpitzel | xai: no it's not. and: standarD. |
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| 14:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitzel, that's not cheating... not that I read on it a lot, but like the colors, it's part of the protocol as far as I understood |
| 14:57.28 | xai | mumpitzel: As I said, sorry for my English :) |
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| 14:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess we [cs]hould move that to #debian-offtopic :P |
| 14:58.01 | xai | mumpitzel: And if you're instists, I will use "_word_" method instead of "\037word\037" |
| 14:58.07 | wm4 | GTK is STILL slow as fuck on debian with nvidia drivers - why is this shit not getting fixed? |
| 14:58.10 | wm4 | it's a 3 lines patch |
| 14:58.13 | wm4 | just fuckign apply it |
| 14:58.19 | mumpitzel | CutMeOwnThroat: which one? rfc1459? |
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| 14:58.59 | mumpitzel | xai: use neither. use something like "dpkg-reconfigre <your MTA> |
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| 14:59.08 | xai | mumpitzel: ok |
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| 14:59.22 | themill | (and given that #debian is +C, the escape sequences don't work anyway) |
| 14:59.31 | g105b | Can anyone work out why my computer sometimes turns back on after a few hours of hibernation? What could be triggering it? |
| 15:00.39 | Jrwkti | http://pastebin.com/8eFBBVM3 why the speed difference is so small? Is this normal? |
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| 15:01.55 | mumpitzel | Jrwkti: I told you before: shitty usb stick = shitty write performance. test reading, there the difference will be bigger |
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| 15:02.08 | mumpitzel | Jrwkti: ALL usb sticks are shit. no exceptions |
| 15:02.39 | xai | Jrwkti: IMHO, "/dev/random" for this test is a bad idea. Use "/dev/zero" instead. And what is maximal stick speed? |
| 15:02.53 | xai | urandom* |
| 15:03.10 | Jrwkti | this is a test with usb dock station |
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| 15:03.34 | xai | And? |
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| 15:05.04 | mumpitzel | your "dock station" doesn't matter. usb sticks are shit, especially writing. no way around it. your might be a bit worse than others but still |
| 15:05.21 | mumpitzel | test your usb3 port with a SSD and you will see a big difference |
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| 15:05.52 | xai | mumpitzel: /dev/urandom can be the bottleneck |
| 15:06.07 | xai | On my PC it gives: 16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 1.60752 s, 10.4 MB/s |
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| 15:08.34 | mumpitzel | I guess. but since he has probably a hardware RNG (he has a high end S1155 mobo so probably a high end CPU too), maybe not |
| 15:09.49 | Jrwkti | Thanks! |
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| 15:43.55 | bl4ckdu5t | What command can I use to open the file explorer from the terminal |
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| 15:45.28 | mtn | bl4ckdu5t: which file manager? gui or command line? |
| 15:45.53 | bl4ckdu5t | GUI |
| 15:46.05 | mtn | bl4ckdu5t: gnome or ? |
| 15:46.13 | bl4ckdu5t | gnome |
| 15:46.19 | mtn | bl4ckdu5t: nautilus |
| 15:46.34 | bl4ckdu5t | oh thanks much! |
| 15:46.41 | bl4ckdu5t | Is it different for KDE? |
| 15:47.13 | mtn | bl4ckdu5t: yep, it uses a program called dolphin |
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| 15:48.09 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks for adding up to my knowledge |
| 15:48.23 | mtn | bl4ckdu5t: welcome |
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| 15:49.54 | gits1225 | I am more interested to know why there is an openjdk in a default debian desktop install, and when I try to remove it, the whole desktop has to be removed with it. |
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| 15:52.08 | zykotick9 | gits1225: i'm guessing due to Libreoffice, try "aptitude why openjdk-6-jre" |
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| 15:53.00 | gits1225 | zykotick9: But shouldn't I be able to remove either libreoffe or openjdf without it triggering the whole removal of the desktop? |
| 15:53.40 | zykotick9 | gits1225: if you use gnome/kde breaking metapackages can get tricky, it is possible - but usually NOT worth the effort |
| 15:55.17 | gits1225 | Makes sense. Do you know why are they installed by default on _every_ desktop install? I'm curious. |
| 15:56.03 | zykotick9 | gits1225: the creators of the upstream (or perhaps sometimes, the debian packages) think a "desktop" needs a word processor... |
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| 15:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | gits1225, those are not dependencies... just meta-packages helping you to get common configurations installed easily. you can really have any combination of packages installed (as long as that fulfills dependencies)... it's just, you take the whole package or you leave it. if you leave it, you have to select all the sub-parts you want yourself |
| 15:57.15 | gits1225 | hmm |
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| 15:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like taking the all-inclusive vacation package.... you'll get to eat meat for free even if you're vegetarian |
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| 15:59.55 | gits1225 | My way or the high way |
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| 16:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... there's actually two different meta-packages iirc |
| 16:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, install gnome |
| 16:06.39 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 gnome-network-manager' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 16:07.19 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: (i could be wrong) but with gnome2, i believe there may have been 3 metapackages involved - no idea about gnome3 |
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| 16:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, 5 different wossnames... steps depending how complete a gnome desktop environment you want |
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| 16:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | gits1225, you could try 2. or 3. if this is from the installer, you now have 1. |
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| 16:09.03 | gits1225 | CutMeOwnThroat: I just installed the debian-kde-desktop and was trying to removal "stuff" I didn't want |
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| 16:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, install kde |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 16:12.37 | gits1225 | hmm |
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| 16:13.35 | dD | I just patched xorg-server, and created a package. It created about 5 packages and won't install. |
| 16:14.16 | dD | I just patched xorg-server, and created a package. It created about 5 packages and won't install, how should I run the dependencies? I'm unclear as to how to do it. |
| 16:14.20 | mumpitzel | dD: pastebin your command and its full output |
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| 16:15.33 | dD | mumpitzel, whoops. It just installed. Was mistyping the command. So, if I patch xorg and just dpkg -i it and install it, that should take care of it? Or should I uninstall the previous version? |
| 16:15.47 | drifter | ---- last kernel is broken --- |
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| 16:16.38 | mumpitzel | dD: it will upgrade to your version. and as soon as debian brings out a version number of xorg that is higher than your packages, it will overwrite them again |
| 16:16.42 | drifter | it stops booting systems |
| 16:17.10 | dD | mumpitzel, thank you. |
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| 16:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dD, if your package is based on the current version in debian, edit debian/changelog and add at least a new patchlevel... if your self-made package is the same version as in the repo, the version in the repo will have precedence over yours and will be installed on any upgrade... also, if that patch works for you and probably has no negative side-effects, you should write a bug report to get it included in sid/testing |
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| 16:26.45 | dD | I patched something that wasn't working right in Debian (I adapted the patch from Ubuntu). What is the best way to make it available to other people? Should I push file a bug report and then answer it with the patch? |
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| 16:28.27 | nkuttler | dD: sounds like a plan |
| 16:28.33 | phogg | dD: if applicable you should also send the patch upstream |
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| 16:31.49 | abrotman | dD: if there's a pre-existing bug report for Debian, append the patch to the end |
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| 16:33.50 | dD | abrotman, thanks. There wasn't a pre-existing bug report, just for Ubuntu. |
| 16:34.01 | abrotman | dD: odd, shuld have come upstream |
| 16:34.03 | abrotman | shuld |
| 16:34.05 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 16:34.12 | abrotman | smacks the O key |
| 16:35.01 | dD | abrotman, I just checked experimental; it's not applied there either (although it might have been solved some other way). It's basically so that hotkeys are taken into consideration on release instead of on key press, that way you can have shortcuts like alt+shift AND alt+shift+tab |
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| 16:38.12 | abrotman | dD: not sure if that'd be a 'normal' or 'wishlist' bug |
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| 16:40.50 | dD | abrotman, well, it used to work before and the behavior was changed. I think it's a normal bug because it allows you to specify different shortcuts that shouldn't clash with each other but do. |
| 16:41.21 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 16:41.42 | dD | abrotman, plus, the xorg team has that bug filed as high major importance |
| 16:42.05 | dD | abrotman, the freedesktop.org team* |
| 16:42.43 | abrotman | but still not fixed upstream? |
| 16:44.19 | dD | abrotman, I can't really be sure. I'm on stable, not experimental. I can tell you for sure it's not fixed in the same way as it's fixed in Ubuntu, but I don't know if it's fixed in any other way; I doubt it though, from the comments in freedesktop. |
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| 16:44.53 | abrotman | dD: file your bug as 'normal', provide your patch, reference upstream bug URL |
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| 16:46.37 | dD | abrotman, what does "reference upstream bug URL" mean? |
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| 16:48.37 | abrotman | dD: just provide a link to the upstream bug |
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| 17:00.36 | dixoncx_ | how to extract tar.xz archive ? |
| 17:01.03 | mumpitzel | dixoncx_: file <your archive> to find out |
| 17:01.03 | ompaul | dixoncx_: start with tar xvf file.name |
| 17:01.39 | mumpitzel | typically under linux, compression is either gzip, bzip2 or lzma |
| 17:03.00 | mumpitzel | dixoncx_: it's lzma, handled by xz-utils |
| 17:03.43 | dixoncx_ | thanks, xvf switch worked.. after installing xz-utils |
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| 17:04.53 | ompaul | dixoncx_: the advantage of xvf is that it will leave the source file intact |
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| 17:06.53 | martianlobster | I want to set up a virtual windows machine, on my debian server. Does anyone have an opinion about VMWare vs Virtualbox? |
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| 17:07.06 | abrotman | martianlobster: one is open source, the other is not? |
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| 17:08.46 | martianlobster | OK, I will go with Virtualbox since it is open source |
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| 17:10.16 | jmcnaught | for virtualization i like KVM with libvirt, using virt-manager as a GUI |
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| 17:11.06 | musca | jmcnaught: and are you satisfied with the quality of the windows guest drivers? |
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| 17:12.03 | jmcnaught | musca: hmmm... i only used them once a couple of years ago so i don't know. i use it for debian VMs |
| 17:12.26 | musca | sure kvm is good for linux. |
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| 17:15.32 | jmcnaught | actually i think it was about a year ago that i tried Windows XP on KVM (it was a debian unstable host). it worked well enough that I watched a show on netflix and the framerate was acceptable |
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| 17:16.07 | jmcnaught | this was when the SPICE protocol had just been introduced to sid |
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| 17:25.45 | nsgn | hello. what might be the best channel to ask about xawtv streamer running on debian? doesnt appear they have their own chan. should i just fire away here? |
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| 17:26.07 | bin_bash | hello i want to update to java7, but when I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, I get this error: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 17:26.07 | bin_bash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.44 | dfa14313 | Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslim's youth and spy4isreal&usa??????? |
| 17:26.45 | dfa14313 | do they record and analyse every word we type???????????? |
| 17:26.45 | dfa14313 | Do chat prog spy 4 isreal&usa??????? Do chat prog spy 4 isreal&usa??????? |
| 17:26.45 | dfa14313 | هل يتجسس الشات لامريكا واسرائيل؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ |
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| 17:27.05 | bin_bash | ys they do |
| 17:27.07 | zykotick9 | bin_bash: you might want to try dist-upgrade instead of upgrade... |
| 17:28.11 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: where did you get the google-chrome-stable package? it looks like you might be using third-party repositories that could be conflicting with the debian ones |
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| 17:29.24 | bin_bash | jmcnaught, i didn't install it. i have no idea where it came from |
| 17:29.57 | bin_bash | but i'm using all official repos it seems |
| 17:29.59 | jkamp | google-chrome-stable comes from google.com - there is no such package in debian. |
| 17:30.21 | bin_bash | oaky |
| 17:30.32 | bin_bash | well i uninstalled it anyway because it's a headless server |
| 17:30.39 | bin_bash | it was installed when I got it |
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| 17:33.24 | dD | Is it possible to use a more recent version of GNOME without giving up too much stability? |
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| 17:34.41 | abrotman | dD: not really, 3.8 is partially in unstable, so given that it's partially in may not lend well to stability |
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| 17:35.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dD about gnome status |
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| 17:37.22 | bin_bash | so then how do i update java thats all i really want to know |
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| 17:38.01 | abrotman | update it from what to what? |
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| 17:41.47 | dD | abrotman, and I'm guessing 3.6 is just not an option? |
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| 17:42.22 | abrotman | dD: it was skipped as wheeezy was busy being released |
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| 17:47.26 | jkamp | dD: is this a desktop? you could track testing and get gnome 3.8... not sure what your usage is though. |
| 17:48.21 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: maybe you want to install the openjdk-7-jre package? you might also need to change java in update-alternatives |
| 17:48.39 | dD | jkamp, it's a desktop. But testing has 3.4, no? according to this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-shell |
| 17:48.50 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: there's probably a guide out there somewhere that you can follow |
| 17:48.53 | dD | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 17:49.12 | jkamp | according this, it's 3.8 - http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome |
| 17:49.27 | abrotman | jkamp: no, you can't, gnome3.8 isn't fully in testing |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | he's already been pointed at the appropriate page |
| 17:50.19 | jkamp | alright. |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 17:50.23 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; jessie: 3.4.2-11; sid: 3.4.2-12; experimental: 3.8.3-1 |
| 17:50.31 | abrotman | jkamp: you're pointing him at a useless metapackage |
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| 17:52.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jkamp about gnome status |
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| 17:54.40 | shrees | I want to participate in OPW with Debian.Can anyone help me with it. |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | in OPW? |
| 17:54.49 | flux242 | dpkg does not post to the channel any longer? |
| 17:54.50 | dpkg | flux242: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | flux242: he can .. we prefer that you use the !tell feature or msg the bot directly |
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| 17:55.52 | flux242 | !tell sid |
| 17:55.55 | shrees | OPW is Outreach Program for Women |
| 17:56.28 | savask | Hello. How do I make my card reader detect SD cards under Debian? Lsusb doesn't show the card, but does show the reader. |
| 17:56.28 | jkamp | abrotman: neat. thanks. |
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| 17:57.18 | abrotman | jkamp: FYI, you can also put 3-10 in there to see how close gnome3.10 (not even released yet) might be |
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| 17:57.48 | abrotman | savask: lsusb wouldn't see the individual cards, just the reader |
| 17:57.58 | savask | Ah, okay then |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | savask: when you put a card in, look in dmesg to see where it put htem |
| 17:58.05 | jmcnaught | shrees: have you checked out #debian-women and #debian-soc on irc.debian.org? |
| 17:58.20 | jmcnaught | shrees: https://wiki.debian.org/OutreachProgramForWomen more info here |
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| 17:59.46 | savask | abrotman: Actually I don't see any changes in dmesg before and after inserting the card. |
| 18:01.37 | abrotman | savask: hrm, pretty sure it should note that you've inserted a storage device |
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| 18:02.58 | savask | abrotman: Well, to be correct I have some lines at the end of dmesg which say something about "sdf" and "removable disks". But I don't see any new messages if I plug/unplug the card. |
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| 18:04.11 | flux242 | savask: udevadm monitor |
| 18:04.37 | flux242 | savask: then remove and insert the card |
| 18:04.46 | savask | Nothing |
| 18:05.15 | jmcnaught | try a different card? |
| 18:05.38 | savask | jmcnaught: Tried, nothing as well |
| 18:05.52 | savask | Both cards are guaranteed to work. |
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| 18:06.00 | abrotman | guaranteed? |
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| 18:06.14 | savask | Yes, I have tried them on another computer. |
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| 18:15.16 | james41382 | I am receiving an error (http://pastebin.ca/2428038) when trying to access my external usb drive with nautilus, but i am able to access my other ntfs partitions fine after authenticating. Any ideas? |
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| 18:17.18 | savask | So, when I reboot with SD card in, the system sees it o_O |
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| 18:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | james41382, how do you mount it? try using the helper directly |
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| 18:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd be extremely surprised if ntfs-3g in debian was suddenly lacking fuse support |
| 18:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ntfs-3g |
| 18:25.58 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 18:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, /bin/ntfs-3g isn't suid-root, though... I wonder if/why that's a requirement if you're in a group able to read the block device, though |
| 18:27.46 | gits1225 | james41382: It's probably the last line in the fstab file |
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| 18:29.21 | gits1225 | I had the same problem. Googling it said it was some debian bug that doesn't "clean up" properly after install. |
| 18:30.14 | gits1225 | Which supposed to be solved in Debian 7 I think. Guess not. |
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| 18:33.45 | KsM | When I try to use palimpsest (gnome-disk-utility), none of my drives show up: http://i.imgur.com/GnKvH92.png |
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| 18:34.51 | KsM | Using root or not, I also get this error: |
| 18:34.51 | KsM | libgdu-WARNING **: Couldn't get daemon properties |
| 18:34.52 | KsM | Error creating pool: `(unspecified error)' |
| 18:35.03 | KsM | Palimpsest-CRITICAL **: Bailing out |
| 18:36.46 | g105b | Can anyone work out why my computer sometimes turns back on after a few hours of hibernation? What could be triggering it? |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | WOL? |
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| 18:39.14 | g105b | abrotman: could that work over wifi? (there's no network cable attached) |
| 18:39.41 | divxdude | trying to run dedian on an old low resource pc. ran it out of space. incomplete synaptic updates etc. wont boot |
| 18:39.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:39.52 | divxdude | sry wont xorg |
| 18:40.19 | divxdude | debian* |
| 18:40.23 | divxdude | squeeze |
| 18:40.28 | jmcnaught | g105b: maybe a cron job using rtcwake? |
| 18:40.52 | g105b | jmcnaught: how can I check the cron jobs that are across the whole system? |
| 18:41.00 | KsM | Fixed my problem, reinstalled udisks, gnome-disk-utility, and dpkg-reconfigured/restarted dbus |
| 18:41.18 | KsM | g105b: they're in /etc/crontab and /etc/cron* |
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| 18:44.56 | g105b | and how can I tell which cron jobs can wake the PC? |
| 18:46.31 | nkuttler | g105b: well if the box is hibernating no cron jobs run.. |
| 18:47.05 | nkuttler | g105b: my first guess would be a loose contact or something that generates some input |
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| 18:47.55 | g105b | nkuttler: it's a really new machine, small intel box which is all self-contained in a tiny box |
| 18:48.09 | KsM | nkuttler: jmcnaught said a cronjob could be running rtcwake, which would wake it up |
| 18:49.00 | nkuttler | g105b: crontab -l for all users, and see /etc/cron* |
| 18:49.02 | KsM | g105b: you could just quickly ` sudo grep rtcwake /etc/cron* -R ' |
| 18:49.12 | nkuttler | g105b: but you'd probably know if there was such a cronjob.. |
| 18:49.17 | KsM | yeah |
| 18:49.40 | g105b | KsM: nothing. |
| 18:49.43 | poopeater | i'm having an issue with preseeding my wireless network. I'm using d-i netcfg/wireless_show_essids manual [wireless_network_name], d-i netcfg/wireless_essid string [wireless_network_name], and d-i netcfg/wireless_essid_again string [wireless_network_name] and that doesn't seem to work |
| 18:49.59 | poopeater | anyone know how to actually select the wireless network name? |
| 18:50.04 | g105b | by the way, this is a pretty standard install with not much extra installed. Just PHP webserver related stuff |
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| 18:55.19 | james41382 | gits1225: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 (looks okay to me). |
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| 18:56.38 | gits1225 | That /media/usb0. Delete it. (ofcourse make a backup of fstab first) |
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| 18:57.20 | martianlobster | I want to setup vnc / x-windows to run on a headless server. Is there a good how-to lying around? |
| 18:57.27 | james41382 | gits1225: okay i'll give it a try. |
| 18:58.23 | james41382 | gits1225: delete the line or just the mount point? |
| 18:58.33 | keepishop | martianlobster: Look at the debian on android documentation. |
| 18:58.40 | keepishop | They do exactly that |
| 18:58.47 | keepishop | on/in |
| 18:58.55 | gits1225 | james41382: The line |
| 18:59.03 | gits1225 | Make backup first |
| 18:59.10 | james41382 | gits1225: it worked! i'm so pleased.. =] |
| 18:59.20 | martianlobster | keepishop: OK I will go look for that |
| 18:59.22 | gits1225 | :D |
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| 18:59.31 | james41382 | thanks a bunch..! |
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| 19:14.08 | setuid | I've got an rsync backup of a production system, and need to know what 'version' of Debian that was, so I can rebuild a VM with the same version and rsync the whole shebang back into the VM. |
| 19:14.20 | setuid | Where would I find out which 'version' the backed-up-tree contains? |
| 19:14.53 | bhuddah | one guess: /etc/debian_version |
| 19:15.18 | keepishop | try /etc/issue |
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| 19:15.48 | bhuddah | on my system that would be /etc/issue.net |
| 19:16.05 | setuid | No /etc/debian_version, but /etc/issue has: |
| 19:16.07 | setuid | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 19:16.13 | setuid | So which version does that match up with? |
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| 19:16.50 | vt0r | Well since 6.0 == 6.0, I'd assume it matches with 6.0 :p |
| 19:16.51 | bhuddah | probably squeeze |
| 19:16.59 | vt0r | squeeze, yes |
| 19:17.18 | bhuddah | can't really tell who put that in this file though |
| 19:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no /etc/debian_version ?? |
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| 19:17.43 | gits1225 | Wow, /etc/issue, /etc/issue.net && /etc/debian_version |
| 19:17.48 | gits1225 | Talk about variety is the spice of life |
| 19:17.55 | bhuddah | hehe |
| 19:18.08 | setuid | But what 6.0.x version? That will matter, me thinks |
| 19:18.21 | bhuddah | the rest is just kernel differences. |
| 19:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | can it still be debian if it hasn't /etc/debian_version? |
| 19:18.41 | setuid | If I download today, I get 6.0.7, if I overlay the backup on top of that, it may break things |
| 19:19.39 | bhuddah | watch out for the version of the kernel in the backup. then take an educated guess on the minor version of squeeze |
| 19:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | setuid, or compare the output of dpkg -l against what your fresh install has |
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| 19:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably need this anyway: |
| 19:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, debian clone |
| 19:20.28 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 19:21.15 | setuid | CutMeOwnThroat, Can't run dpkg -l, since it's a backed-up tree sitting on a NAS |
| 19:21.16 | bhuddah | and where to recover that selection from a backup? i can't remember where that is stored ... -.- |
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| 19:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bhuddah, it's not if you don't create it |
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| 19:23.10 | bhuddah | CutMeOwnThroat: but it must be stored somewhere on disk in the package database and so on... |
| 19:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but not in that form |
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| 19:25.57 | vt0r | oh and another place to add even more variety: /etc/os-release |
| 19:26.26 | vt0r | I've seen that on Debian and Ubuntu, and it sometimes has better info than debian_version |
| 19:26.41 | bhuddah | setuid: you could parse /var/lib/dpkg/status in the backup |
| 19:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bucketm0use, /var/backups/dpkg.status has a copy of the internal database. |
| 19:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, tab-fail |
| 19:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... /var/lib/dpkg/status is the original (couldn't find it) |
| 19:27.42 | bhuddah | had to look it up too |
| 19:28.02 | bhuddah | vt0r: all is well as long as all those files match... |
| 19:28.30 | vt0r | Very true. I can think of one place it's ok they don't though |
| 19:28.33 | vt0r | Mint |
| 19:29.08 | vt0r | os-release shows Mint release data like LMDE blah blah, then debian_version says jessie/sid or whatever you're using |
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| 19:37.30 | DANtheBEASTman | how I stop a specific program from being installed? for instance I used rvm to install ruby 2 and I don't want other programs to install ruby from the repos |
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| 19:38.44 | bhuddah | DANtheBEASTman: generally speaking this is not a good idea. but i think you can set it to "keep" or "forbid" |
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| 19:40.04 | gits1225 | What is the equivalent of apt-get install with dpkg? |
| 19:40.15 | bhuddah | DANtheBEASTman: but this will cause problems with all dependant packages |
| 19:40.15 | jiohdi | dpkg -i |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | jiohdi: are you using Windows? |
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| 19:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, are you using windows?! |
| 19:40.40 | abrotman | gits1225: apt-get |
| 19:40.40 | gits1225 | jiohdi: But, that should point to a local .deb file right? |
| 19:40.45 | jiohdi | no, irssi |
| 19:40.54 | jiohdi | gits1225: yes |
| 19:40.58 | abrotman | gits1225: otherwise, man dpkg |
| 19:41.16 | gits1225 | I just tried to read man dpkg and didn't find it |
| 19:41.26 | jiohdi | dpkg -i x.deb |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | package x.deb is already installed |
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| 19:41.59 | gits1225 | Dude, apt-get install, does installation from debian servers |
| 19:42.17 | gits1225 | I am looking for the equivalent that does the same with dpkg |
| 19:42.23 | jiohdi | depackage dpkg unpacks whats there |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | gits1225: dude, man dpkg |
| 19:42.31 | gits1225 | abrotman: thankyou |
| 19:42.34 | bhuddah | well it's not really the same |
| 19:42.42 | bhuddah | problems with dependencies as you would expect |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | gits1225: do you know how to search man pages? |
| 19:43.12 | gits1225 | I know that if you know the answer just spit it out already |
| 19:43.20 | abrotman | no, you can read |
| 19:43.27 | gits1225 | You can ignore me as well |
| 19:43.40 | abrotman | you've been given the answer. It's a shame you're too lazy to look yourself |
| 19:43.50 | gits1225 | Yes, a shame indeed |
| 19:43.51 | bhuddah | *sighs* |
| 19:44.01 | bhuddah | so this is a shaming chan? ^^ |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | this is a channel that helps people learn for themselves |
| 19:44.30 | abrotman | he's not asking a difficult question, he just needs to read the documentation |
| 19:44.34 | bhuddah | that s okay i think |
| 19:45.04 | bhuddah | so RTFM :) |
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| 19:45.32 | DANtheBEASTman | bhuddah: what sort of problems are we talking? will it prevent other packages that rely on it from being installed? I don't see the point in having multiple versions of ruby installed when my rvm ruby install works fine |
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| 19:45.58 | bhuddah | DANtheBEASTman: just if you want to install something from .deb that relies on ruby and calls for it. |
| 19:46.02 | kappar | help. I have warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: Connection refused |
| 19:46.19 | bhuddah | kappar: restart service ;) |
| 19:46.28 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:46.34 | DANtheBEASTman | hmmm shouldn't be much of an issue.. so how do I go about this? I imagine it's a setting in /etc/apt/preferences or something |
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| 19:46.41 | kappar | bhuddah: have done so may times |
| 19:46.42 | kappar | many |
| 19:47.01 | bhuddah | kappar: so you think it might be a configuration issue? |
| 19:47.06 | kappar | bhuddah: restarted saslauthd and courier |
| 19:47.08 | abrotman | bhuddah: are you serious? |
| 19:47.22 | abrotman | kappar: did it work at one time? |
| 19:47.27 | bhuddah | always |
| 19:47.41 | kappar | bhuddah: I restarted the server today for the first time in a few months |
| 19:47.48 | kappar | it worked yesterday |
| 19:47.52 | kappar | and for the last year |
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| 19:48.43 | bhuddah | oh. great |
| 19:48.56 | kappar | I als have errors in syslog like warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 19:49.17 | bhuddah | maybe some neglected update changed the file location |
| 19:49.21 | kappar | but I see something running.... |
| 19:49.23 | kappar | root 2466 0.0 0.1 78620 1092 ? Ss 15:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/spool/post/var/run/saslauthd -r -n 5 |
| 19:49.41 | kappar | wait |
| 19:49.51 | kappar | that -m doesn't seem to match with my sasl config hold on |
| 19:51.15 | kappar | well not sure still |
| 19:51.59 | bhuddah | kappar: shouldn't be a real issue once you track it down step by step |
| 19:52.19 | kappar | bhuddah: I'm new to this so I'm not sure where to start |
| 19:52.27 | kappar | I can get mail via POP3, only SMTP is broken |
| 19:52.38 | kappar | in my /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf I see: |
| 19:52.40 | kappar | authdaemond_path: /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket |
| 19:53.03 | kappar | and that seem to exist |
| 19:53.04 | bhuddah | kappar: so sasld works but smtp lost the connection to the daemon. check where the smtp-server expects the socket for the communication |
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| 19:53.27 | kappar | how do I check, bhuddah ? |
| 19:53.33 | bhuddah | look for the socket |
| 19:53.38 | bhuddah | check the owner and mode |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | is your postfix set to ues a chroot? |
| 19:53.50 | kappar | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 4 15:27 /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket |
| 19:53.53 | kappar | like that? |
| 19:53.55 | abrotman | (I think Debian still defaults to do this) |
| 19:54.18 | kappar | abrotman: I think so |
| 19:54.38 | bhuddah | doesn't look suspicious |
| 19:54.49 | bhuddah | maybe set the loglevel to debug |
| 19:54.59 | bhuddah | and see if any details come up in the postfiy logs |
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| 19:56.06 | kappar | the funny thing, bhuddah |
| 19:56.12 | kappar | is pop3d-ssl connects to authdaemon fine |
| 19:56.18 | gits1225 | abrotman: I found how to install a package from debain servers (or sources.list) with dpkg |
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| 19:56.20 | abrotman | postfix runs in a chroot ... |
| 19:56.34 | abrotman | gits1225: wasn't that better than me just spoonfeeding you? :) |
| 19:56.52 | bhuddah | abrotman: best clue until now. maybe the path to the socket in the chroot is different, kappar |
| 19:57.02 | gits1225 | dpkg can only install locally and apt-get or aptitude is used to pull from sources.list |
| 19:57.02 | dpkg | gits1225: that's too long |
| 19:57.20 | abrotman | please ignore the bot |
| 19:57.26 | jiohdi | or synaptic if you want a gui for apt |
| 19:57.52 | kappar | hm |
| 19:57.59 | kappar | should I disable chroot and check? |
| 19:58.02 | kappar | I guess I will try |
| 19:58.19 | bhuddah | kappar: will probably break other things |
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| 19:58.46 | DANtheBEASTman | how do I check what packages from sid or testing I have installed? and is there an easy way to downgrade them? |
| 19:58.50 | bhuddah | kappar: make sure, no mail arrives in that timeframe... |
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| 19:59.01 | pie_ | does debian have packages for pyqt5? |
| 19:59.32 | abrotman | DANtheBEASTman: downgrades aren't supported, you can try, but it may not go well |
| 19:59.59 | jiohdi | pie_ apt-cache search |
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| 20:00.09 | pie_ | ah, right |
| 20:00.10 | jiohdi | a: no |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | pie_: yes, but not in stable |
| 20:00.40 | kappar | bhuddah: disabled chroot ( I think, in master.cf) and it doesn't seem to have changed anything |
| 20:00.50 | abrotman | pie_: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python3-pyqt5 |
| 20:00.54 | pie_ | hm |
| 20:00.58 | bhuddah | kappar: still doesn't work? |
| 20:01.00 | pie_ | aboman, thanks |
| 20:01.23 | kappar | I take that back |
| 20:01.42 | kappar | bhuddah: once I switched both smtp and the service named "587" to non-chroot |
| 20:01.44 | kappar | everything works |
| 20:01.55 | kappar | ok.. so the issue is with chroot |
| 20:01.57 | kappar | not sure how to fix that ? |
| 20:02.10 | bhuddah | track down where the sasld socket is in the chroot. |
| 20:02.15 | bhuddah | i think |
| 20:02.25 | kappar | I'm not that familiar with using chroot |
| 20:02.27 | kappar | how do I do that? |
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| 20:03.22 | bhuddah | afaik the chroot is in /var/spool/postfix |
| 20:03.28 | bhuddah | so you need to map the socket in there |
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| 20:03.42 | bhuddah | google tells me: OPTIONS="-c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" |
| 20:03.50 | bhuddah | for the saslauthd |
| 20:04.16 | bhuddah | but you might need to adapt that |
| 20:04.49 | pie_ | abrotman, is there any risk going with pyqt5 over pyqt4? |
| 20:04.59 | abrotman | pie_: FIIK, i don't use qt4/5 |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | rather, i don't code in them |
| 20:07.09 | kappar | bhuddah: OPTIONS="-c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r" |
| 20:07.17 | kappar | that is what I have right now in /etc/default/saslautthd |
| 20:07.24 | bhuddah | kappar: i can't tell you for real... just fiddle with it |
| 20:07.50 | kappar | k thanks |
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| 20:08.30 | abrotman | kappar: that would imlpy that postfix ist still in a chroot .. it might make sense to try to figure out which file it's complaining about |
| 20:08.55 | abrotman | is still |
| 20:09.03 | bhuddah | abrotman is right. |
| 20:09.17 | abrotman | ... |
| 20:09.35 | kappar | abrotman: you say that, but it appears every time I remove the chroot option from master.cf it stops working |
| 20:09.35 | bhuddah | ... |
| 20:09.52 | divxdude | i got 4 gb of trah i cant delete.. its jamming me up |
| 20:09.57 | divxdude | trash* |
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| 20:10.20 | abrotman | kappar: because the directory structure it's expecting is no longer there? |
| 20:10.35 | kappar | so literally: can't send email. vim /etc/postfix/master.cf , set no chroot. restart postfix. send email . works |
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| 20:10.53 | kappar | abrotman: hm ? |
| 20:10.58 | abrotman | figures bhuddah has this all figured out and steps away |
| 20:11.33 | bhuddah | abrotman: lol |
| 20:11.35 | bhuddah | i dont |
| 20:12.06 | kappar | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Aug 4 15:36 /var/run/saslauthd -> /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd |
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| 20:12.11 | kappar | ls: cannot open directory /var/run/saslauthd/: Permission denied |
| 20:12.21 | Sefid_par | !brctl |
| 20:12.21 | dpkg | Install the bridge-utils package and read the bridge-utils-interfaces(5) man page. It contains basic and advanced bridge configuration examples ("dhcp" can be used in place of "static"). IP forwarding does _not_ need to be enabled. If intending to bridge a wireless interface in managed mode, see http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections and ask me about <ebtables>. |
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| 20:13.55 | kappar | well it's not a permission issue as ar as I can tell |
| 20:14.00 | bhuddah | well... kappar ... still no idea? |
| 20:15.01 | kappar | OH |
| 20:15.19 | kappar | postfix is running in /var/spool/postfix chroot |
| 20:15.27 | kappar | but authdaemon is pointing at /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket |
| 20:15.36 | kappar | could that be the issue? |
| 20:16.13 | bhuddah | yep |
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| 20:16.25 | kappar | bhuddah: so... how do I fix that? |
| 20:16.27 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 20:16.53 | abrotman | kappar: I said that like .. 30 minutes ago :) |
| 20:16.58 | bhuddah | as you said.. it should point either to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/socket or /var/run/saslauthd/socket ... (i guess) |
| 20:17.24 | bhuddah | kappar: that's like what we were talking about the whole time :D |
| 20:17.28 | kappar | ahhh |
| 20:17.55 | kappar | but I don't understand |
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| 20:18.07 | kappar | the /etc/default/saslauthd |
| 20:18.07 | bhuddah | i think you now do understand better than before. |
| 20:18.17 | kappar | said /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd |
| 20:18.27 | pundit | why am i asked for IP addresses and so on when i choose in "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" "only local delivery, no net"? |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | kappar: are you sure it's using that config file? |
| 20:18.29 | pundit | i chose "only local delivery, no net" in the beginning of the menu. then a lot of questions pop up which make sense only if it were connected to the internet |
| 20:18.52 | kappar | abrotman: no idea how to check |
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| 20:19.17 | bhuddah | kappar: you could try lsof |
| 20:19.29 | bhuddah | or trace the daemon where it finally opens the actual socket |
| 20:19.44 | bhuddah | or you could grep the /etc/ for saslauthd/socket ^^ |
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| 20:20.30 | abrotman | strace |
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| 20:21.27 | kappar | the process says root 3726 0.0 0.1 78620 1092 ? Ss 16:08 0:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -n 5 |
| 20:21.35 | kappar | however there is no socket file in that folder |
| 20:21.50 | bhuddah | kappar: accessrights. |
| 20:22.04 | bhuddah | kappar: notch up the debug log on the saslauthd and restart it |
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| 20:23.05 | kappar | where do saslauthd logs go? |
| 20:23.25 | bhuddah | kappar: probably to mail.debug then... just a wild guess |
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| 20:24.03 | bhuddah | i have no saslauthd at hands right now |
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| 20:25.21 | bluesm | Why hexdump shows the letters in reverse order (probably unicode letters) |
| 20:25.32 | bhuddah | bluesm: little endian? |
| 20:26.12 | bluesm | bhuddah: little endian ? |
| 20:26.22 | bluesm | bhuddah: wh -> 6877 |
| 20:26.32 | bluesm | Instead of 7768 (hex) |
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| 20:26.38 | kappar | ok |
| 20:26.43 | kappar | bhuddah: the issue is |
| 20:26.52 | kappar | it apparently uses /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux |
| 20:26.54 | kappar | as the socket file |
| 20:26.56 | bhuddah | okay. |
| 20:27.07 | kappar | but uhh.. I think postfix is looking for a file named socket? |
| 20:27.28 | bhuddah | maybe you should teach postfix some manners |
| 20:27.41 | kappar | stupid postfix |
| 20:27.47 | mumpitzel | kappar: postfix is by default chrooted which means it can't find the socket |
| 20:28.37 | abrotman | we've been over this .. |
| 20:29.02 | bhuddah | again and again. |
| 20:29.31 | kappar | maybe it's a bit troll-ish, but I would love if they just made a gui for this thing |
| 20:29.45 | kappar | where I can't screw it up |
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| 20:29.52 | bhuddah | with a big button "fix screw ups" |
| 20:30.09 | kappar | yep |
| 20:30.19 | bhuddah | but where's the fun in that? |
| 20:31.13 | kappar | hm |
| 20:31.19 | kappar | now I get "could not verify password" |
| 20:31.25 | abrotman | kappar: they make one .. but it's not supportedhere |
| 20:31.29 | bhuddah | thats a lot better :) |
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| 20:31.40 | abrotman | kappar: your passwd file has to be copied to the chroot also |
| 20:31.45 | kappar | why was this all working this morning |
| 20:31.48 | kappar | lol |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | had altered the postfix init script to copy these files to the chroot |
| 20:31.59 | max192mb | any tips about saving memory on an old Pentium II laptop 192MB RAM running wheezy? i have disabled all unneeded services, i use a light window manager (icewm), i only have 2 ttys enabled. |
| 20:32.08 | max192mb | the ancient laptop can support a maximum of 192MB RAM, which the actual amount of RAM it has |
| 20:32.17 | abrotman | max192mb: paste.debian.net "free -m" |
| 20:32.33 | kappar | abrotman: what passwd files? I'm using sql auth |
| 20:33.22 | jkamp | max192mb: do you actually need a desktop environment? lxde is light for a DE, but still has a lot of stuff you probably odn't need. openbox would be a good option to free up a lot. |
| 20:33.32 | abrotman | ah, i was using the stuff in /etc/sasl.db or whatever it was |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | jkamp: icewm is tiny |
| 20:33.52 | abrotman | probably smaller than openbox |
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| 20:33.57 | bhuddah | abrotman: it is the non-chrooted saslauthd. that shouldn't be the problem here |
| 20:34.01 | max192mb | jkamp, i do NOT use a desktop environment, i use a light window manager called icewm |
| 20:34.14 | bhuddah | kappar: have you enabled the saslauth method in the postfix? maybe it got disabled too |
| 20:34.21 | jiohdi | jkamp i3 is about as small as it gets |
| 20:34.21 | tvm | max192mb: well, what's your free -m after boot ? |
| 20:34.24 | jkamp | oh geez. my bad. for some reason my brain read that as lxde. yeah, icewm should be okay. |
| 20:34.43 | abrotman | max192mb: did you paste that yet? |
| 20:34.49 | jkamp | jiohdi: agree. i3 is pretty cool. |
| 20:35.04 | jiohdi | jkamp: been using it over a month now, can't find anything better |
| 20:35.25 | max192mb | abrotman, sorry, i will do it after rebooting. |
| 20:35.26 | jiohdi | jkamp: though I just discovered that I can add an xfce panel to it |
| 20:35.33 | jkamp | I'v tested it, but can't really get comfortable with tiling wm's. seems nice though. |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | max192mb: you don't have to reboot |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | god dman it .. stupid questions from tvm |
| 20:36.02 | jiohdi | jkamp with an xfce panel its still really light |
| 20:36.26 | tvm | abrotman: well, i didn't force him to reboot |
| 20:36.41 | abrotman | tvm: the question wasn't even worth asking .. |
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| 20:37.08 | kappar | bhuddah: abrotman still kinda stuck =( |
| 20:37.12 | bin_bash | when updating, i keep getting this: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:37.12 | bin_bash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.19 | bin_bash | but these are the only packages I want to update |
| 20:37.22 | bin_bash | how can I update them |
| 20:37.25 | bhuddah | kappar: what now? new insights? |
| 20:37.35 | tvm | abrotman: well, i've missed your "free -m" request |
| 20:37.47 | kappar | bhuddah: well it still says : warning: SASL authentication failure: could not verify password |
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| 20:38.06 | kappar | I don't see authdaemond log lines though |
| 20:38.18 | kappar | so maybe it is not communicating with authdaemond afterall |
| 20:38.20 | kappar | *cry* |
| 20:38.25 | kappar | maybe I'll just leave it out of chroot |
| 20:39.06 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: does it hold them back with "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 20:39.19 | bin_bash | nope |
| 20:39.22 | bin_bash | let me do tht |
| 20:39.32 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: does dist-upgrade want to remove anything? |
| 20:39.34 | bhuddah | kappar: maybe.. i don't know what else to do rather than debug logging |
| 20:39.34 | abrotman | bin_bash: install them specifically |
| 20:39.49 | bin_bash | jmcnaught, no |
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| 20:40.15 | bin_bash | openjdk-6-jre |
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| 20:40.16 | bin_bash | er |
| 20:40.20 | bin_bash | 3 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 20:40.50 | kappar | bhuddah: ah I give up for now |
| 20:40.54 | jmcnaught | bin_bash: earlier i think you were also asking about getting java 7. for that you should look into the openjdk-6-jre package, and update-alternatives |
| 20:41.02 | kappar | bhuddah: thanks so much. at least email works |
| 20:41.09 | bin_bash | jmcnaught, i just wanted the openjdk to update |
| 20:41.11 | kappar | bhuddah: I suppose chroot is just for security right? |
| 20:41.15 | bhuddah | kappar: i can understand this. maybe revisit tomorrow and see something you missed today ;) |
| 20:41.17 | bin_bash | i didnt even consider doing a dist-upgrade |
| 20:41.22 | bhuddah | kappar: jes |
| 20:41.26 | bhuddah | um.. yes even |
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| 20:45.23 | abrotman | notes copy estimation in nautilus is just as bad as any other OS |
| 20:46.58 | vt0r | 3 hours remaining... 30 seconds remaining... 5 minutes remaining... |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | exactly |
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| 20:49.29 | pielgrzym | hi, got an ugly disk problem (wiped out partiton table) - is this a good place to ask? |
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| 20:50.23 | abrotman | what was on the disk before? |
| 20:51.00 | pielgrzym | abrotman, important stuff - migrating from arch => crunchbang and copied stuff to usb drive |
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| 20:52.19 | abrotman | I'd probably ask ##linux, but I would think you may need to look at the backup table if it's still there. There are tools like testdisk that may help. |
| 20:52.24 | brontosaurusrex | whats a good on-screen keyboard? |
| 20:52.30 | pielgrzym | abrotman, it's an apple hd - the scary thing is: when I do: head /dev/sdb or strings /dev/sdb | head I get plaintext: Booting to the Boot Camp Assistant created USB drive... and some other text. shoudln't there be unreadable sutff there? ;) |
| 20:52.59 | bhuddah | pielgrzym: welcome to efi-boot |
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| 20:53.03 | pielgrzym | abrotman, yeah, gpart is running over the disk, testdisk showed nothing |
| 20:53.09 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: for what DE? |
| 20:53.14 | pielgrzym | bhuddah, can you elaborate? |
| 20:53.16 | brontosaurusrex | abrotman, openbox |
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| 20:53.31 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: i'm only aware of the 'gok' package |
| 20:53.34 | bhuddah | pielgrzym: not really. but the whole apple boot stuff is really strange and "new" |
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| 20:53.53 | brontosaurusrex | .gok |
| 20:54.01 | pielgrzym | bhuddah, definately :D |
| 20:54.04 | brontosaurusrex | well, not in wheezy |
| 20:54.08 | Jim7991 | So i renamed my lvm's volume group and when i rebooted i was able to decrypt the vg put i was getting an error with the other lv's. I booted into a recovery iso, updated initramfs and updated grub but i've still got the same error. wut do? |
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| 20:55.36 | max192mb | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/azmRVWV6 |
| 20:55.59 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: it is |
| 20:56.05 | abrotman | judd: info gok --release wheezy |
| 20:56.06 | judd | No package named 'gok' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 20:56.09 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 20:56.21 | abrotman | oh .. darn |
| 20:56.28 | jmcnaught | brontosaurusrex: there's also florence. and florence has a list of alternatives: http://florence.sourceforge.net/english/alternatives.html |
| 20:56.42 | max192mb | abrotman, that is after starting X before i interactively run any app on icewm |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | judd: info iok --release wheezy |
| 20:56.47 | judd | Package iok (utils, extra) in wheezy/i386: Indic Onscreen Keyboard. Version: 2.1.2-1; Size: 108.1k; Installed: 822k; Homepage: https://fedorahosted.org/iok/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iok |
| 20:57.05 | abrotman | max192mb: you actually have about 100MB free |
| 20:57.48 | jmcnaught | max192mb: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 20:57.48 | max192mb | abrotman, sorry i am desktop newbie, i don't understand |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell max192mb about free ram |
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| 21:01.26 | max192mb | ok, but how do i save memory?every MB counts. what system config tweaks can i perform? |
| 21:01.47 | brontosaurusrex | not even one is working, weird |
| 21:02.13 | max192mb | i can not upgrade the RAM, 192MB RAM is the maximum the mainboard supports |
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| 21:04.35 | abrotman | max192mb: we're trying to tell that you're not using all the RAM you have |
| 21:04.40 | jhutchins | max192mb: To start with, don't run a GUI. |
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| 21:04.52 | jmcnaught | max192mb: based on your paste of "free -m" it looks like you're doing pretty good already |
| 21:05.11 | mumpitzel | abrotman: I sure hope he is. cache is usage too. and he needs that cache for the system to be snappy |
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| 21:05.20 | jmcnaught | brontosaurusrex: try them in gnome maybe? some of them might rely on parts of the gnome accessibility API |
| 21:05.28 | jhutchins | max192mb: If regular Debian proves too much for the system, you might look at one of the embedded projects like emdebian - they are intended for low-resource environments. |
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| 21:06.14 | jhutchins | max192mb: There have been some attempts to build Legacy Linux distributions that were meant to run on old systems with fewer resources, but the two I knew of didn't stay with it. |
| 21:06.28 | pollywonk | so i only want to allow traffic on port 21 for debian updates, is this normal and safe? |
| 21:06.53 | bhuddah | pollywonk: no. |
| 21:06.54 | pollywonk | bascially, i want to avoid roving bots that exploit ftp if possible |
| 21:07.11 | bhuddah | pollywonk: ftp is not easy to force to one port. |
| 21:07.20 | jhutchins | pollywonk: If you run a public ftp server chances are you will be exploited. |
| 21:07.29 | jhutchins | pollywonk: Besides, it takes two ports. |
| 21:07.49 | jhutchins | pollywonk: Consider using another protocol. |
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| 21:08.12 | pollywonk | is there another way to apt-get update then? cause the security updates default to ftp |
| 21:08.38 | jhutchins | pollywonk: If you look at the process, apt uses http to download, which does not require running a public server. |
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| 21:09.00 | bhuddah | http would be my tip too |
| 21:09.04 | jetblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.06 | mumpitzel | pollywonk: you can use http. and using a ftp client has nothing to do with running a server |
| 21:09.13 | jmcnaught | pollywonk: you don't need to run a server to receive updates |
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| 21:09.19 | jhutchins | pollywonk: If you look at the mirror status page you'll see very few of the mirrors even run ftp, even if they're named ftp.something.org. |
| 21:09.52 | max192mb | jhutchins, i need a GUI, the laptop is used to surf the web. i tried to use midori instead of iceweasel but midori's address bar disappeared after using it a couple of time. weird |
| 21:10.06 | jhutchins | pollywonk: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 21:10.56 | jhutchins | max192mb: There are several web browsers like lynx that don't use graphics. How do you think blind people use the web? |
| 21:11.01 | pollywonk | hmm guess my vps provider defaults sources.list has an ftp site for some reason and locking down iptables blocked it |
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| 21:11.15 | abrotman | max192mb: so remove the midori config directory, try again |
| 21:11.23 | jhutchins | max192mb: There are sites that don't work well, but you can do a surprizing amount, and there are even ways to display graphics if you really need it. |
| 21:11.33 | jhutchins | max192mb: Without running a GUI that is. |
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| 21:11.52 | jhutchins | max192mb: Although I hear it can use more resources than a GUI. |
| 21:11.59 | jhutchins | gtg. |
| 21:12.05 | abrotman | that was not helpful |
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| 21:12.14 | bhuddah | or you could use a framebuffer to do the graphic stuff max192mb |
| 21:12.15 | max192mb | jhutchins, i need graphics. dillo is fast but it does not display well a lot of pages and i am not talking about pages that have flash. i do not have flash installed |
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| 21:12.31 | abrotman | max192mb: then use it .. just have some swap, you're not using that much RAM yet |
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| 21:13.15 | max192mb | abrotman, i removed midori and its config and cache dirs 3 times and the problem came back |
| 21:13.25 | abrotman | max192mb: okay, so it may be a bug |
| 21:13.32 | jkamp | max192mb: not sure how much ram it uses but midori browser is relatively light and displays pages properly in most cirucmstances. |
| 21:13.39 | jkamp | oh, nevermind my statement. |
| 21:14.03 | max192mb | abrotman, it may be a bug |
| 21:14.18 | abrotman | probably .. midori doesn't get a lot of love these days |
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| 21:16.29 | max192mb | i tried chromium but it crashed with out of memory errors so i uninstalled. the only web browser that works OK albeit slow is iceweasel |
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| 21:17.31 | mumpitzel | max192mb: what cpu and gpu? |
| 21:17.32 | _0bitcount | max192mb, how about uzbl? |
| 21:18.03 | jmcnaught | max192mb: on iceweasel try disabling the adblock add-on. it really slows things down |
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| 21:19.43 | jmcnaught | max192mb: also i find that using noscript add-on to disable javascript by default gives a big speed boost. you can enabled JS for individual sites that need it |
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| 21:20.55 | max192mb | mumpitzel. Celeron Mendocino 366MHz, VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49) whcih has 2.5MB RAM which can only display as a max 800x600 |
| 21:21.47 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i am using iceweasel with no extra plugins installed |
| 21:21.56 | mumpitzel | the cpu will make normal webbrowsing almost unusable. it's not a memory problem |
| 21:22.11 | jmcnaught | max192mb: adblock is installed by default in wheezy. try disabling it inside iceweasel |
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| 21:23.52 | max192mb | mumpitzel, the CPU can not be upgraded, it is an old Pentium II laptop |
| 21:25.18 | mumpitzel | i understand. I ran debian on a p2 266 64MB before. way way too slow for browsing and no due to memory |
| 21:25.52 | mumpitzel | with dillo it was OK, but ffox was torture |
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| 21:26.33 | KrzPi_ | but its fun to run web with old computers |
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| 21:26.51 | max192mb | there must be some system config tweaks that can help me save some MBs |
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| 21:28.18 | jarray52 | When using synergy, my computer experiences slow down in certain circumstances. Is there any way to determine what might be causing the problem? |
| 21:28.48 | max192mb | jmcnaught, how can i disable adblock? |
| 21:29.01 | abrotman | max192mb: you want to enable it .. |
| 21:29.06 | abrotman | max192mb: apt-cache search adblock |
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| 21:29.19 | max192mb | abrotman, ok |
| 21:30.08 | jmcnaught | adblock is possibly already installed. i suggest disabling it in iceweasel (Ctrl+Shift+A to get to add-ons) to see if it speeds things up. |
| 21:30.58 | jmcnaught | the reason i suggest this is because my n900 (a phone that's almost as slow as your computer) slowed to a crawl when i used adblock on firefox mobile |
| 21:32.06 | max192mb | abrotman, apart from tweaking iceweasel there must be some system config tweaks that can help me save some MBs |
| 21:32.21 | abrotman | max192mb: only run daemons you need |
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| 21:32.33 | pie_ | how can I install this package?: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python3-pyqt5 |
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| 21:32.38 | pie_ | nvm ill just google |
| 21:33.07 | max192mb | abrotman, do i need gdomap? |
| 21:33.51 | abrotman | max192mb: i have no idea what that is |
| 21:34.01 | brontosaurusrex | max192mb, try midori perhaps (0.5.x is actually pretty good) |
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| 21:34.42 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: hi, welcome to the party |
| 21:34.43 | jmcnaught | max192mb: gdomap appears to be part of gnustep |
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| 21:35.25 | max192mb | brontosaurusrex, 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1 is the version available for wheezy |
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| 21:36.15 | brontosaurusrex | max192mb, i have one installed from midori website |
| 21:36.41 | pundit | "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" asks for many parameters like IP addresses and so on even when at the begin of the menu one chooses "only local delivery, no net". why? |
| 21:36.53 | max192mb | brontosaurusrex, i also tried installing the midori deb on midori's website and i end up with no address bar at all! weird bug! |
| 21:36.56 | pundit | (sorry, have posted this question before but lost inernet contact) |
| 21:37.21 | mumpitzel | pundit: for what did it ask this question? maybe for "on what interfaces should exim listen"? |
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| 21:37.38 | max192mb | jmcnaught, can i safely uninstall gdomap? |
| 21:38.06 | brontosaurusrex | max192mb, perhaps try to nuke ~.config/midori |
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| 21:38.15 | jmcnaught | max192mb: if you're not using gnustep then you probably can |
| 21:38.20 | pundit | mumpitzel: i just dont understand what sense like domain names make when i say that i dont want exim to connect to the internet in the beginning. |
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| 21:38.42 | max192mb | brontosaurusrex, , i removed midori and its config and cache dirs 3 times and the problem came back |
| 21:38.50 | brontosaurusrex | max192mb, ok .. |
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| 21:39.05 | pundit | mumpitzel: why does the menu not quit on choosing "local delivery, no net"? |
| 21:39.41 | pie_ | is it safe to install python3.3 on stable from testing? |
| 21:40.19 | mumpitzel | pie_: it's not |
| 21:40.33 | mumpitzel | ,depends python-3.3 jessie |
| 21:40.34 | judd | No package named 'python-3.3' was found in jessie/i386. |
| 21:41.05 | mumpitzel | ,depends python-3 jessie |
| 21:41.06 | judd | No package named 'python-3' was found in jessie/i386. |
| 21:41.12 | mumpitzel | *sigh* |
| 21:41.23 | pie_ | python3.3 afaik |
| 21:41.28 | abrotman | doesn't matter, not safe |
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| 21:43.32 | jmcnaught | pie_: do you use virtualenv? you could probably compile python 3.3 locally to your /home directory and then use it with virtualenv (to keep it isolated from the sytem python install) |
| 21:43.55 | pie_ | i havent used that before ut ill look into it |
| 21:44.28 | jmcnaught | pie_: i would only do that for development and testing however :) |
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| 21:44.33 | abrotman | pie_: you might want a chroot |
| 21:45.21 | jmcnaught | pundit: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz? it has some explanation |
| 21:45.59 | max192mb | guys, apart from tweaking iceweasel there must be some system config tweaks that can help me save some MBs |
| 21:46.23 | jmcnaught | max192mb: it's like you're asking for magic :) |
| 21:47.03 | abrotman | max192mb: it's really about making sure the processes that are running should be running |
| 21:47.03 | pie_ | hm if i build qt5 from source i shouldnt need python3.3, though i suppose a virtualenv still wouldnt hurt |
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| 21:47.54 | jmcnaught | pie_: i highly recommend learning virtualenv (and virtualenwrapper which is a big help). it's not that hard to learn, and later you'll wonder how you got on without it |
| 21:48.17 | max192mb | jmcnaught, not magic but system config tweaks. disabling unneeded services is not magic, disabling all but 2 ttys is not magic either |
| 21:48.29 | pie_ | jmcnaught, max192mb, this might be really stupid but, uClibC |
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| 21:49.26 | abrotman | pie_: Debian uses eglibc |
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| 21:49.58 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you could learn to do things on the command line that you used to rely on a GUI for. you could convince some hipster with a better laptop to trade you for your vintage model? |
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| 21:50.14 | abrotman | that's not vintage |
| 21:50.38 | jmcnaught | 90s kids won't know the differenc |
| 21:50.54 | pie_ | meh. pyqt4 it is |
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| 21:51.18 | jmcnaught | pie_: also check out PySide |
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| 21:52.25 | max192mb | jmcnaught, i could not find any indication that adblock is installed |
| 21:53.06 | abrotman | max192mb: apt-cache search adblock .. i tol,d you that 20 minutes ago |
| 21:53.29 | jmcnaught | max192mb: maybe it's not. i think it's actually a dependency of the gnome metapackage |
| 21:53.56 | lautriv | hey there, i have an issue with BT audio where a test with mplayer reported, it couldn't open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooh.so. which in turn, was in place,right arch, right perms.......however i found it is part of bluez-alsa which i reinstalled and now it is not longer there ??? |
| 21:54.18 | jmcnaught | max192mb: "apt-cache policy xul-ext-adblock-plus" to see if it's installed |
| 21:54.22 | max192mb | jmcnaught, dpkg tells me that adblock is not installed |
| 21:54.45 | abrotman | max192mb: intsall it, use it |
| 21:54.55 | jmcnaught | max192mb: well if you install it, iceweasel will probably get even slower |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | lautriv: use apt-file to look, perhaps it moved |
| 21:55.32 | lautriv | abrotman, apt-file /that/path/i know ? |
| 21:55.50 | pundit | jmcnaught: thanks for the hint. yes, i have read the debian/exim doc already. it is the same document, which makes me ask: when in "2.1.1.1. General type of mail configuration" i choose "2.1.1.1.4. local delivery only; not on a network" then still question "2.1.1.3. IP addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections" comes up |
| 21:55.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lautriv about apt-file |
| 21:56.01 | pie_ | jmcnaught, do you know anything about the differrences between pyqt and pyside? |
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| 21:57.32 | jmcnaught | pie_: pyside was made by nokia because pyqt isn't LGPL. it's a little more "pythonic", you don't need to worry about using the QString class (pyside you can use python's native string class) |
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| 21:59.36 | jmcnaught | pundit: have you tried entering false info, then changing the relevant files after? |
| 22:00.44 | max192mb | let's forget about iceweasel and focus on syetm config tweaks, please |
| 22:02.49 | pundit | jmcnaught: hm. well, i have some exim files, which dont come out of this dpkg-reconfigure but are written by hand. do you think they make the menu of exim dpkg-reconfigure continue? |
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| 22:03.24 | max192mb | anyone? |
| 22:03.29 | pundit | jmcnaught: or did you mean i should enter false info and correct it by hand? |
| 22:04.04 | jmcnaught | pundit: yeah, correct it after. at least to figure out what's going on |
| 22:04.34 | jmcnaught | pundit: unfortunately i use postfix so the best i can do is vague general suggestions with exim :) |
| 22:05.47 | markovh | any suggestions for a management system for updates across lots of servers? unattended upgrades are fine but i'd love to see a report of which servers are stalled on an update that needs input |
| 22:06.24 | pundit | jmcnaught: lucky you. anything is better than exim or sendmail. |
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| 22:07.29 | abrotman | pundit: choose 127.0.0.1 |
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| 22:08.38 | james41382 | i want to compile a set of programs from source. i downloaded the tar.gz, but where is the appropriate place to unpackage it to? /usr/local? |
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| 22:10.46 | jmcnaught | max192mb: sounds like you've already done all the obvious stuff. just keep researching it on search engines and wikis |
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| 22:15.09 | abrotman | max192mb: there's a website called powertop aimed at lowering CPU usage, might also help you |
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| 22:20.35 | lautriv | urgh, disconnected....lemme repeat last words: |
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| 22:20.37 | lautriv | anyone some BT-audio up to compare details ? (this worked in the past and was somehow triuncated by upgrade) |
| 22:20.43 | max192mb | jmcnaught, not bad for a desktop newbie, right? |
| 22:21.32 | jmcnaught | max192mb: you're doing great :) if you keep good backups, don't worry about breaking stuff it's all part of the learning experience |
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| 22:56.18 | hesco1 | I have xpdf installed but do not seem to have pdftotxt. Further, apt-cache search does not seem to know about pdftotxt. Is that package no longer available? |
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| 22:57.09 | koollman | hesco1: poppler-utils |
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| 22:58.22 | hesco1 | thanks koollman, looking at that now |
| 22:59.36 | hesco1 | ah, so I was misspelling the command's name |
| 22:59.43 | hesco1 | thanks again |
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| 23:07.12 | pie_ | jmcnaught, I cant tell if im dumb, tired, or what, what packages do i need to install to get qt4.8? |
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| 23:08.48 | jhutchins | ,versions libqt4-core |
| 23:08.49 | judd | Package: libqt4-core on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; jessie: 4:4.8.5+dfsg-2; sid: 4:4.8.5+dfsg-2 |
| 23:09.12 | pie_ | nvm the package manager seems to have gotten it |
| 23:09.15 | pie_ | sighs |
| 23:09.19 | pie_ | newb problems |
| 23:09.32 | pie_ | jhutchins, thanks |
| 23:09.44 | jhutchins | pie_: Trust the force. |
| 23:09.51 | pie_ | its not that |
| 23:09.57 | pie_ | its myself i dont trust(yet) |
| 23:10.21 | pie_ | and I am not the force(yet :P) |
| 23:10.25 | jmcnaught | pie_: you might also want libqt4-dev is you're going to install PySide using pip in a virtualenv |
| 23:10.29 | jhutchins | Which is, of course, what the force is all about. |
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| 23:11.02 | pie_ | jhutchins, dont make me feel all luke-ish now with the i dont believe in fairies stuff |
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| 23:11.27 | pie_ | jmcnaught, i think ill skip out on virtualenv right now, but ill definetely look into that, i like isolated stuff |
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| 23:43.01 | jarray52 | When I uninstall dhcp3-server, I get a message saying that isc-dhcp-server is installed instead. What is isc-dhcp-server and why is it installed? |
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| 23:45.17 | sparky4_ | My wireless card has a software block on it.... |
| 23:45.35 | sparky4_ | I am using Debian Wheezy and i upgraded from squeeze where it was working |
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| 23:46.13 | superstraw | I have a disk /dev/sdb1, that I've mounted (ext4) and there's nothing on it. but using bwm-ng I see that there's 3.98-4.01 MB/s being sent to it... wtf? |
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| 23:46.48 | superstraw | i'm puzzled. |
| 23:47.01 | sparky4_ | i am confused as hell |
| 23:47.10 | sparky4_ | i rfkill unblock all |
| 23:47.15 | sparky4_ | and it is still blocked |
| 23:47.26 | sparky4_ | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] is my card |
| 23:48.41 | superstraw | brb |
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