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| 00:21.38 | pilgrimX | Using Debian 7.1, I get an error message like this, "-bash: /etc/iptables.up.rules: Permission denied", when I try to issue this command: "sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules". To me this seems quite odd as I am certainly a member of sudo and that filename does not even exist right now. What am I missing? |
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| 00:32.37 | Guest68791 | Hi all is there any way to restore Wheezy to it's default settings from inside the os? |
| 00:32.46 | Guest68791 | Or do I need to just do a clean install? |
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| 00:34.57 | Guest68791 | I have looked in the forums and in the wikis but I have no clear answer.So it is even possible to do that? |
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| 00:36.56 | themill | pilgrimX: iptables-save generates a config file for iptables-restore; it doesn't generate a script that you execute |
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| 00:43.59 | pilgrimX | themill: I am looking at this page, where I see the instruction to do just exactly what I am trying: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 00:44.30 | carbohydrate | hey you all suck gigantic cocks |
| 00:44.40 | carbohydrate | debian is such a piece of shit operating system |
| 00:44.52 | carbohydrate | or should i say, operating suckstem |
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| 00:45.21 | pilgrimX | themill: it shows that procedure exactly, unless I am just overlooking something there. |
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| 00:45.54 | carbohydrate | what the fuck |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | don't be dumb? |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | oh .. that's right |
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| 00:48.48 | themill | pilgrimX: hang on... which step is failing? |
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| 00:49.40 | pilgrimX | themill: this one: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules |
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| 00:50.18 | themill | pilgrimX: that's not the exact command you're giving though, is it? sudo runs the command but your own shell does the redirection |
| 00:51.07 | LtL | !next |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 00:51.58 | themill | pilgrimX: either run the command as root or use a tool like "tee" (run as root) to write to the file |
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| 00:52.16 | pilgrimX | themill, what I am saying is that I was at the promt and I typed this and hit enter: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules. |
| 00:54.01 | pilgrimX | why can I not do this command with sudo? I have never run into this kind of issue before with sudo. Does it not simulate root in all cases? Is that what you mean? |
| 00:54.54 | themill | pilgrimX: your shell splits "sudo foo > bar" into "run sudo foo" and then "stick the output into bar". |
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| 00:57.43 | pilgrimX | I did not see anything in the instructions on that page making this point about root versus sudo. I think I understand what you mean now. I have another idea. I could first do this command: sudo -i. This makes me root in the shell |
| 00:58.37 | mjessome | hello; I'm having some trouble with pulse. The default cofiguration when I installed is set to per-user, which I don't want. How can I get debian to install with a "stock" pulse config? |
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| 01:00.03 | pilgrimX | themill: it worked after I first issued this command and became root: sudo -i |
| 01:00.56 | themill | yes |
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| 01:01.00 | pilgrimX | it let the command complete successfully. Then I exited root and looked at it, and sure enough the result was my desired one. Awesome!. :) |
| 01:01.28 | pilgrimX | themill: you taught me something new today. :) Thanks. |
| 01:01.37 | themill | np |
| 01:02.47 | whlarking | When I plug in a USB device, the nodes for the partitions under /dev are not created until I do "fdisk -l /dev/sdb". How can I make it do that? |
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| 01:21.37 | jhutchins | whlarking: Flick the power switch on and off. |
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| 01:34.29 | Streusel | anyone good with curl here? |
| 01:35.23 | zro | what do i do if "#sudo shutdown now" wont bring the machine down? |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | Streusel: ask your real question please |
| 01:36.28 | LtL | zro: Try shutdown -h nw |
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| 01:36.37 | LtL | zro: *now |
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| 01:39.06 | SDr | howdy, debian, trying to build a custom nginx package using rules http://pastebin.com/nddtUqY5 |
| 01:39.42 | ScottSteiner | Is it possible to write exif tags? From googling around it looks like imagemagick cant do it and the various exif-related tools in apt don't seem to be able to do it either |
| 01:39.56 | SDr | however, after dpkg-buildpackage ,the resulting package only contains files for the /usr/share/doc directory |
| 01:39.59 | SDr | any ideas why? |
| 01:41.29 | zro | no love. still wont come down |
| 01:42.08 | themill | SDr: if you're going to rebuild a package, you may as well start with the debian packaging and customise it |
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| 01:42.54 | SDr | themill, latest in apt source is 0.7.65, which is a disgrace. |
| 01:42.56 | amparito | hello to all |
| 01:43.05 | SDr | considering current stable is 1.4.1 |
| 01:43.26 | emes | new packager here. can we disable -Werror=format-security in a build, or will the debian gods spite me? |
| 01:43.33 | themill | ,versions nginx |
| 01:43.35 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; jessie: 1.4.1-3; sid: 1.4.1-3 |
| 01:43.36 | amparito | trying to test a rset of my root passwd using editing grub 2 using init=/bin/bash does not work |
| 01:43.37 | themill | SDr: really? |
| 01:43.45 | amparito | after i issue passwd |
| 01:44.05 | amparito | i get command not found, can anyone pinpoint where could be the issue please? |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | amparito: do you actually get a shell though? |
| 01:44.24 | amparito | yes |
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| 01:44.30 | abrotman | amparito: echo $PATH |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | amparito: does /usr/bin/passwd work ? |
| 01:45.09 | amparito | no |
| 01:45.14 | amparito | echo path gives |
| 01:45.58 | amparito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:46.24 | amparito | looking in those dirs the passwd command is not listed within those |
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| 01:51.15 | amparito | abrotman: ? |
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| 01:52.29 | whlarking | Is there anything under /usr/bin, amparito ? |
| 01:52.49 | amparito | no in those dir abrotman thers no passwd command |
| 01:52.57 | whlarking | Could it be that /usr is on a different partition than /? |
| 01:53.43 | amparito | but if i log normally i found it in /usr/bin |
| 01:53.52 | amparito | yes |
| 01:54.02 | whlarking | try mounting it: mount /usr |
| 01:54.18 | amparito | is in a different partition |
| 01:54.25 | amparito | ok hold on please |
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| 01:59.46 | Sidze_ | hi all, I'm remotely installing debian on my nas wich hasn't video output and I would like to set up encrypted install but... I think when the installation is finish the OS reboot right ? |
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| 02:02.37 | amparito | sorry i had to reboot |
| 02:02.44 | amparito | mount /usr gives |
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| 02:03.35 | amparito | device /dev/mapper/debian-usr does not exist |
| 02:04.19 | emes | new packager here. can we disable -Werror=format-security in a build, or will the debian gods spite me? |
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| 02:05.16 | darkapp | hi |
| 02:05.22 | themill | emes: it's better not to disable that -- any problems you see with it are bugs in the code. (and you'll do better in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net) |
| 02:05.31 | darkapp | i was wondering if someone can help me get the netflix ppa to work |
| 02:06.11 | abrotman | darkapp: this is #debian, Debian doesn't have PPAs |
| 02:06.40 | darkapp | i didnt know u cant get ppas to work on debian |
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| 02:06.58 | darkapp | u positive? |
| 02:07.00 | setuid | Anyone happen to know how much space is required to mirror Debian? |
| 02:07.04 | setuid | Like all of the distros/packages? |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | darkapp: they're made for Ubuntu, we have no idea if they work on Debian |
| 02:07.33 | setuid | /dev/mapper/md0 10.8T 3.4T 7.4T 32% /share/MD0_DATA |
| 02:07.41 | amparito | how do i mount device /dev/mapper/debian-usr ? |
| 02:07.41 | setuid | I've got plenty of space left to share |
| 02:07.59 | amparito | in single mode? |
| 02:08.06 | whlarking | setuid http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | darkapp: it's a wine app anyway |
| 02:08.09 | themill | setuid: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror -- I don't know that more mirrors are actually needed |
| 02:08.29 | darkapp | well wine works on debian |
| 02:08.40 | setuid | Weird that both of those pages are all in Japanese/Kanji, but I can make them out |
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| 02:08.55 | setuid | themill, Right, I need a local mirror here, for faster access when rebuilding machines |
| 02:09.03 | themill | setuid: they're just giving you the language your browser requested |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | darkapp: i'm saying you probably don't need it |
| 02:09.41 | themill | setuid: no, you don't need a local mirror for that, you just need a caching proxy. Only downloading the packages you actually need saves everyone bandwidth |
| 02:09.42 | darkapp | u never run exes? |
| 02:10.09 | abrotman | and English goes out the window ... |
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| 02:10.23 | darkapp | .exe |
| 02:10.48 | darkapp | that extension that wine runs |
| 02:11.15 | themill | notes that .exe is not a useful extension from which to identify file types in any case |
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| 02:14.15 | setuid | themill, Yes, but I already run a Squid proxy on this end, but it's only going to work for hosts on the inside of the 10.01.x subnet, not useful for those on the other end (my public-facing VMs on the same infra, other side of a different switch) |
| 02:14.32 | setuid | I'd rather not have to run a second Squid instance, and I already mirror things like FreeBSD, PHP, OpenBSD, Gutenberg, CPAN, etc. |
| 02:15.01 | setuid | themill, weird, because it's the only site/pages being shown in kanji |
| 02:15.40 | Th0masR0ss | I'm using openssl and two things are trying to connect. They get a version mismatch. |
| 02:15.43 | setuid | Under Firefox's "View" -> Character Encoding, it's UTF-8, as it has always been |
| 02:15.57 | Th0masR0ss | Both openssl versions are 1.0.1e. |
| 02:16.32 | themill | setuid: character encoding has nothing to do with language requested |
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| 02:17.23 | themill | setuid: and your requirements as you describe them are still very happily met by a cache like apt-cacher-ng instead of a full mirror. |
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| 02:18.09 | fishcooker | how to know list of service that running on then disable it then when the box restarted, it will be stop? |
| 02:18.45 | amparito | abrotman: solved woul you like to know how? |
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| 02:19.23 | Chat3515 | Hi |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | amparito: mounting /usr/ ? |
| 02:19.40 | amparito | i have lvm |
| 02:19.43 | amparito | so |
| 02:19.51 | amparito | when i do mount /usr |
| 02:19.54 | amparito | didnt work |
| 02:19.58 | amparito | i got: |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell amparito about enter |
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| 02:20.26 | amparito | device /dev/mapper/debian-usr doesnt exist |
| 02:20.34 | amparito | sorry |
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| 02:21.49 | r31n3r | anyone here using i3-wm? |
| 02:21.54 | amparito | so i found this: http://studyhat.blogspot.com/2012/12/lvm-partitions-mount-in-rescue-mode.html even though those instructions are for centos fedore and red hat they worked for me after i did those i was able to mount /usr and issue the passwd succesfully resetting my pw |
| 02:22.03 | amparito | thank you for your time abrotman |
| 02:22.05 | Sidze_ | can I start encrypted installation without reboot the system when it finish to install busybox etc to remotely unlock luks partition ( no video output ) ? |
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| 02:22.33 | Chat3515 | Hi |
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| 02:32.21 | max64 | if i have an IP address .. can i detect his geographical location percisely? and how? thanks |
| 02:34.42 | Sidze_ | max64 I think you can't detec his geographical location precisely |
| 02:34.43 | themill | ,i geoip-bin |
| 02:34.44 | judd | Package geoip-bin (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: IP lookup command line tools that use the GeoIP library. Version: 1.4.8+dfsg-3; Size: 63.7k; Installed: 180k; Homepage: http://www.maxmind.com/ |
| 02:34.46 | peterrooney | max64: (i) why do you say 'his'? (ii) you might be able to make a close guess, but don't bet on any more precise than a particular city, and not necessarily that close. |
| 02:35.03 | themill | max64: ^^ it's fairly approximate and requires a non-free database |
| 02:36.52 | Th0masR0ss | ,depends geoip-bin |
| 02:36.52 | judd | Package geoip-bin in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgeoip1 (>= 1.4.8+dfsg), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1). |
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| 02:38.56 | themill | you need geoip-database and/or geoip-database-contrib to do anything useful |
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| 02:43.51 | fishcooker | i want to do fresh install on my box.. which version of ubuntu that fit my hardware spesification.. because my box is not an ordinary box this is the list |
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| 02:44.33 | fishcooker | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5949720/ |
| 02:44.45 | fishcooker | this is my formation of the disk |
| 02:45.04 | fishcooker | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5949722/ |
| 02:45.44 | themill | fishcooker: this is #debian |
| 02:45.45 | fishcooker | i just want to use as server backup but with light windowmanager |
| 02:46.07 | fishcooker | OMG! sorry |
| 02:46.18 | fishcooker | thanks themill |
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| 03:03.47 | ekaj | Does debian support NTFS shares by default? |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | not shares .. you kep asking us this |
| 03:04.29 | ekaj | God damnit |
| 03:04.34 | ekaj | File systems |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | you said the exact same thing two days ago. we told you then yes .. why don't you believe us? |
| 03:04.42 | ekaj | I forget yesterdays answer and I don't have logs :/ |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | if you want to write, you'll need ntfs-3g though |
| 03:05.07 | ekaj | Nopenope, just read, thank you very much |
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| 03:09.09 | daveeejr | what is document font in gnome3? i see many options for different fonts to change, but i do not see where the document font has any affect |
| 03:09.16 | daveeejr | what is document font in gnome3? i see many options for different fonts to change, but i do not see where the document font has any affect |
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| 03:10.26 | ekaj | Okay, another noob question. I'm at the Unetbootin screen for Debian 6.0.5, and there is no option for a live desktop, only install options. Can I choose one of those to get to a desktop? |
| 03:10.31 | ekaj | The last one I tried I oculdn't |
| 03:13.09 | themill | ekaj: unetbootin isn't a good choice for making a debian installer. Debian 7 is the current debian release. Debian Live and Debian Installer are different ISO images. |
| 03:13.42 | ekaj | I don't want to install, I just want a live desktop |
| 03:13.54 | themill | dpkg: tell ekaj about live |
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| 03:14.16 | ekaj | Damnit, I just have 3 netinst isos |
| 03:14.34 | themill | well the installer installs and the live cd is a live cd. |
| 03:14.52 | ekaj | Yes, I'm aware now |
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| 03:43.09 | darkapp | what command do i use to edit /etc/sourcs.list.d? |
| 03:43.17 | darkapp | /etc/apt |
| 03:43.18 | darkapp | * |
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| 03:45.04 | amparito | vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 03:46.26 | knoppix | Does anyone have a recommendation for a good debian mud client? |
| 03:47.19 | amparito | i guess vi does not work darkapp |
| 03:47.28 | darkapp | nope |
| 03:48.39 | darkapp | nano works |
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| 03:48.48 | amparito | ok |
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| 03:59.40 | NewDeb | hi i just installed debian wheezy kde environment and i have some question |
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| 04:00.03 | NewDeb | is there anyone around that might be able to answer ? |
| 04:00.53 | ekaj | Depends on the question.. I can't thouh |
| 04:00.56 | ekaj | though |
| 04:01.37 | Rusty1 | !anyone |
| 04:01.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 04:02.35 | NewDeb | i'm not sure what the question is, but i realize debian isn't that intuitive where you can update easily |
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| 04:02.51 | NewDeb | but i can't seem to watch videos, something feels missing |
| 04:03.35 | NewDeb | like in mint or ubuntu there's a package manager so it was easy to download stuff that you need |
| 04:03.57 | knoppix | AH, flash, I just did this. |
| 04:03.59 | themill | NewDeb: aptitude |
| 04:04.07 | NewDeb | oh i just found that |
| 04:04.20 | NewDeb | so everything i need can be found there, even the video drivers? |
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| 04:04.39 | themill | "video driver" is pretty vague... |
| 04:04.54 | knoppix | I used the commands 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree', that worked for me. |
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| 04:05.42 | knoppix | Also, if you have chromium browser installed, flash is disabled by default and can be re-enabled with about:plugins |
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| 04:07.54 | NewDeb | debian is for advanced users lol |
| 04:08.12 | themill | dpkg: tell NewDeb about debian-handbook |
| 04:08.18 | themill | not really, just ones who want to read |
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| 04:40.14 | MannDude | sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT |
| 04:40.32 | MannDude | How would that be written when SSH uses an offset port (not 22)? |
| 04:41.24 | joshuahh | replace ssh with the port number |
| 04:41.36 | MannDude | sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 1234 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:41.41 | MannDude | Assuming the port was '1234'? |
| 04:41.45 | joshuahh | yes |
| 04:41.54 | MannDude | Thanks bud, wanted to check before I used it |
| 04:41.57 | joshuahh | np |
| 04:42.19 | MannDude | Why does it not use the config from /etc/ssh/ssd_config ? |
| 04:42.26 | MannDude | sshd_config** |
| 04:42.44 | themill | depends what "it" is |
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| 04:42.59 | joshuahh | they are not the same. |
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| 04:44.19 | MannDude | Sorry, not fussed wit h IPTables a lot in the past |
| 04:44.42 | MannDude | Trying to only accept SSH traffic |
| 04:44.49 | MannDude | from one IP |
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| 04:45.25 | themill | ah -- there's no reasonable way iptables can understand the config file of every daemon you might install to know that you've changed the default port. |
| 04:45.27 | MannDude | Well scratch that, just SSH traffic in general |
| 04:45.36 | joshuahh | iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s 192.168.1.20 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:46.28 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | I'm trying to partition a drive that used to have win8 but I get this message with fdisk, "WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdc'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted." |
| 04:46.50 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | What do I need to do to get rid of this message? |
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| 04:48.43 | darm0k | use gparted |
| 04:48.54 | darm0k | or qtparted or something |
| 04:49.28 | volitek | I downgraded from sid to wheezy and I think I've broken something. Every time I try and install sasl2-bin it gives me the error in the post-installation script that there's no such mechanism as saslpasswd2... What have I done? |
| 04:49.48 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | I was able to delete the partitions and make my own partitions... did it really partition the drive? |
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| 04:51.33 | darm0k | with fdisk? |
| 04:51.38 | darm0k | or cfdisk? |
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| 04:51.55 | blanke | wassup niggers |
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| 04:52.24 | darm0k | i told you use gparted |
| 04:52.43 | themill | blanke: wrong channel |
| 04:52.58 | blanke | whats the bash setting to have it stop highlighting background ascii coloring |
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| 04:53.36 | blanke | or some stty setting for all i care |
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| 05:22.52 | debnovice | i can't figure out what files i need to download on debian for it to operate correctly |
| 05:23.13 | debnovice | aptittude package manager isn't that user friendly |
| 05:24.12 | themill | if you're as vague with aptitude as you are with #debian, no wonder it doesn't want to be friends with you |
| 05:24.28 | debnovice | i did a clean install, but i dont know what files i'm missing |
| 05:24.32 | debnovice | it just doesn't feel right |
| 05:24.43 | jelly-home | debnovice: missing for which functionality? |
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| 05:24.48 | debnovice | video feature |
| 05:24.52 | debnovice | cant watch youtube |
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| 05:25.07 | debnovice | and the font seems kind of blurry |
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| 05:25.24 | debnovice | and i need firefox, isn't that intuitive |
| 05:25.42 | themill | Now that you've actually asked some questions, you might get some answers |
| 05:25.57 | james41382 | debnovice: i found that the non free flash worked better for me. |
| 05:26.13 | debnovice | not even sure what that means |
| 05:26.14 | themill | dpkg: tell debnovice about adobe flash |
| 05:26.17 | darm0k | hello |
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| 05:26.24 | themill | dpkg: debnovice mozilla.debian.net |
| 05:26.25 | dpkg | themill: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:26.31 | themill | dpkg: tell debnovice about mozilla.debian.net |
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| 05:26.36 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 05:26.36 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 05:26.52 | darm0k | is debian about Ian Curtis, because the name of ian's wife is deborah |
| 05:26.52 | themill | debnovice: one thing at a time. |
| 05:27.08 | darm0k | ian curtis (joy division) |
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| 05:29.29 | jelly-home | darm0k: nope, that's coincidence; it was a different ian and different deb |
| 05:29.39 | themill | darm0k: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.1 |
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| 05:30.24 | darm0k | i hope ian murdock likes joy division |
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| 05:31.05 | debnovice | oh man |
| 05:31.09 | debnovice | this is tough |
| 05:31.26 | debnovice | not even the instructions make sense to me |
| 05:31.47 | darm0k | is this guy mormon? because married with 20 |
| 05:31.58 | james41382 | debnovice: you should add the non free and contrib repo to sources.list and search for the non free flash then install it. |
| 05:32.20 | debnovice | i'm clicking on what i believe is the non free flash on that site, but nothing is happening |
| 05:32.31 | themill | that's not what dpkg said to do... |
| 05:32.32 | james41382 | debnovice: it's worth a try if gnash isn't working for you. |
| 05:32.45 | themill | darm0k: perhaps you were looking for #defocus ? |
| 05:33.07 | darm0k | no themill i was on toilet before |
| 05:34.14 | debnovice | not going to give up |
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| 05:34.22 | mudchute | hi |
| 05:34.30 | mudchute | anyone around? |
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| 05:36.05 | mudchute | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.35 | smw | mudchute, the polite thing to do is to email the company with the information |
| 05:37.57 | smw | mudchute, posting to a mailing list isn't exactly nice ;-) |
| 05:38.08 | smw | (don't consider that legal advice though) |
| 05:38.18 | themill | mudchute: in debian or some other project? |
| 05:38.27 | mudchute | so |
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| 05:38.34 | mudchute | is it illegal to do so ? |
| 05:39.46 | smw | mudchute, I am not qualified to speak on such topics. Is consult a lawyer a good answer? |
| 05:39.59 | jmcnaught | mudchute: IRC is a bad place to get legal advice |
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| 05:43.30 | darkapp | hi, im trying to get regular firefox to work, and i have no idea what to do past the download |
| 05:43.44 | darkapp | i opened it with ARK and dont know what to do now |
| 05:43.52 | themill | darkapp: aptitude install iceweasel. |
| 05:44.18 | darkapp | i want regular firefox.... |
| 05:44.20 | Talon_ | i'm pretty sure its a pre-compiled binary (true firefox).. it's as simple as unzipping it and placing the binary somewhere |
| 05:44.53 | peterrooney | mudchute: I am not a lawyer, more importantly, I am not _your_ lawyer. |
| 05:45.11 | darkapp | how do u extract tar.bz2? |
| 05:45.14 | Talon_ | tho, iceweasel its repo maintained and can get regular updates.. not to mension any security fixes and what not, I'd still reccomend iceweasel |
| 05:45.21 | themill | darkapp: Debian already gives you an iceweasel that works just fine. If you really want to change its icon that much, don't make it #debian's problem... |
| 05:45.55 | debnovice | i feel like a dumbass but i have to ask someone to help guide me through this adobe flash installation :| |
| 05:45.56 | darkapp | themill: i need a secondary browser |
| 05:46.08 | Talon_ | iceweasel is still Firefox, just with the branding copyrighted material removed to comply with debians "free" software |
| 05:46.10 | darkapp | debnovice: im an expert on that |
| 05:46.14 | debnovice | are you |
| 05:46.17 | debnovice | please :( |
| 05:46.26 | smw | debnovice, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:46.30 | debnovice | i literally have no idea how to get it, and im looking at the instructions jawdropped' |
| 05:46.33 | darkapp | download from flash website |
| 05:46.46 | debnovice | does smw's method work? |
| 05:46.47 | darkapp | type tar xvf flashfilename.tar |
| 05:46.55 | themill | darkapp: no. |
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| 05:46.58 | smw | debnovice, worked for me ;-) |
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| 05:47.11 | peterrooney | Is it Sunday already? |
| 05:47.12 | darkapp | cp extractedfilename /usr/lib/mozila/plugins |
| 05:47.13 | smw | debnovice, I recommend ignoring darkapp |
| 05:47.13 | themill | debnovice: what smw and dpkg told you. Have you added "contrib" to your sources.list yet? |
| 05:47.27 | Talon_ | darkapp: I believe its bunzip2 from the command line |
| 05:47.28 | debnovice | sorry i dont think so... |
| 05:47.44 | themill | dpkg: tell debnovice about contrib |
| 05:47.47 | smw | debnovice, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib after main |
| 05:47.48 | darkapp | ty Talon_ |
| 05:47.49 | jmcnaught | debnovice: maybe you need to read some more introductory material? that debian handbook that was mentioned earlier is quite good |
| 05:47.51 | debnovice | i typed in "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and i get "package not available" |
| 05:48.03 | smw | debnovice, ah, or just do what dpkg just told you... I need to learn dpkg commands |
| 05:48.15 | debnovice | yeah i saw but i dont know where to start, i just want to get that adobe flash player at the very least |
| 05:48.32 | debnovice | so i can get some videos because i no longer have windows :( |
| 05:48.33 | smw | debnovice, the best way is to setup contrib in your sources.list |
| 05:49.06 | debnovice | how do i set up contribution to source.list |
| 05:49.26 | smw | debnovice, did you read what dpkg said? |
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| 05:49.49 | debnovice | the problem is, the font looks so blurry |
| 05:49.55 | debnovice | hard to focus on what dpkg is saying |
| 05:50.11 | Talon_ | debnovice: goto /etc/apt, su or sudo pico sources.list, you will see deb and deb-src lines for your distro, like "deb http://something/ wheezy main" you most likely need contrib and non-free at the end... so an example would be: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 05:50.16 | themill | Stop drinking so much coffee/vodka then. |
| 05:50.37 | darkapp | Talon_: how do i install it now? |
| 05:50.51 | Talon_ | debnovice: after you've made the modification, ctrl+x will exit nano/pico and ask if you want to save changes... it y |
| 05:50.55 | darkapp | all i have is a folder |
| 05:51.02 | darkapp | it=firefox |
| 05:51.09 | smw | darkapp, why not use iceweasel? Just curious why you are doing what you are doing |
| 05:51.13 | Talon_ | debnovice: if you've gotten that far and it saved, you need to apt-get update |
| 05:51.31 | darkapp | smw: do you know about i2p? |
| 05:51.32 | debnovice | not sure how to get to /etc/apt |
| 05:51.37 | debnovice | or what you even mean |
| 05:51.38 | debnovice | lol |
| 05:51.39 | Talon_ | it will download all the new package indexes and then you should be able to install flashplayer-nonfree or whatever its called |
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| 05:51.49 | smw | darkapp, I know of it. Never used it |
| 05:51.50 | Talon_ | open a terminal? |
| 05:52.12 | darkapp | well i need a browser to proxy through it, and one to use for regular purposes |
| 05:52.21 | darkapp | Talon_: ok |
| 05:52.27 | darkapp | who u talking too? |
| 05:52.33 | smw | Talon_, debnovice it is flashplugin-nonfree, not flashplayer-nonfree. |
| 05:52.43 | Talon_ | thanks smw |
| 05:53.24 | Talon_ | darkapp: you've extracted it? |
| 05:53.31 | darkapp | yes |
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| 05:53.45 | debnovice | i did the sudo pico sources.list |
| 05:53.47 | debnovice | nothing happened |
| 05:53.56 | themill | "nothing"? |
| 05:54.00 | debnovice | it says' i'm not in the sudo filer |
| 05:54.04 | Talon_ | debnovice: you didn't get an editor outputting the file contents? |
| 05:54.05 | debnovice | file* |
| 05:54.21 | debnovice | i dont know what what that even means |
| 05:54.23 | smw | darkapp, for stuff like that, I normally use chromium with different profile directories. Iceweasel can probably do the same |
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| 05:54.42 | darkapp | smw: i dont understand |
| 05:54.45 | debnovice | why isn't there some easy instruction on this ? |
| 05:54.49 | Talon_ | darkapp: it should've unzipped the firefox binary, do you still have iceweasel installed? |
| 05:55.05 | darkapp | debnovice: my way works, just saying |
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| 05:55.14 | darkapp | Talon_: yes |
| 05:55.35 | smw | debnovice, there are, dpkg gave them to you |
| 05:56.21 | Talon_ | darkapp: ok well wherever you unzipped it, you should be able to run it, did it make a directory? just go into it and ./binaryName, it might be firefox or firefox-bin |
| 05:56.30 | Talon_ | it's a precompiled binary, it'll run from anywhere. |
| 05:56.32 | smw | debnovice, it requires editing your sources file, then running sudo apt-get update, then running sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:56.36 | darkapp | ls |
| 05:56.39 | darkapp | woops |
| 05:56.51 | debnovice | editing source file |
| 05:57.13 | smw | debnovice, for editing the sources file, you open /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib" after each time it says "main" |
| 05:57.51 | smw | debnovice, so a line like deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy main becomes deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib |
| 05:57.52 | debnovice | i su - in and permission denied when I entered "/etc/apt/sources.list " |
| 05:57.58 | darkapp | Talon_: im confused, what will the binaryname be? |
| 05:58.07 | smw | debnovice, "entered"? |
| 05:58.16 | debnovice | i typed it in and preseed enter |
| 05:58.23 | debnovice | it says permission denied |
| 05:58.33 | smw | debnovice, it is not a command, it is a text file |
| 05:58.40 | Talon_ | darkapp: what was the output of bunzip2? |
| 05:58.52 | darkapp | there was none |
| 05:58.57 | smw | debnovice, you need to open it in a text editor. A particularly good text editor for novices is nano |
| 05:58.58 | darkapp | it turned into a tar file |
| 05:59.04 | debnovice | what am i opening? |
| 05:59.07 | darkapp | then i did a tar xvf on that |
| 05:59.11 | smw | debnovice, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:59.25 | Talon_ | darkapp: ok what was the output of that? did it make a new directory? |
| 05:59.28 | smw | debnovice, that will open up the text file /etc/apt/sources.list in the text editor nano |
| 05:59.36 | darkapp | yes |
| 05:59.40 | darkapp | a folder firefox |
| 06:00.02 | debnovice | reading from stdin |
| 06:00.04 | Talon_ | darkapp: go into the folder and do an ls, executables are generally colored green. |
| 06:00.14 | smw | debnovice, what? |
| 06:00.24 | darkapp | Talon_: theres a lot of green |
| 06:00.24 | debnovice | that's what i got when i typed in your command |
| 06:00.30 | themill | debnovice: exactly what did you type? |
| 06:00.44 | debnovice | i dunno, whatever you're giving im typing in the terminal |
| 06:00.49 | themill | debnovice: no... |
| 06:00.51 | Talon_ | darkapp: is there one called firefox or firefox-bin or something related? |
| 06:01.00 | debnovice | i typed in nano - w /etc........." |
| 06:01.13 | debnovice | this doesnt make any sense at all |
| 06:01.13 | darkapp | http://pastebin.com/jJ5GiTzF |
| 06:01.16 | smw | debnovice, no space between the dash and w |
| 06:01.17 | themill | debnovice: you've made a mistake in that command. |
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| 06:01.41 | Talon_ | darkapp: try ./firefox-bin |
| 06:01.58 | darkapp | XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/faster/firefox/libxul.so: |
| 06:01.59 | darkapp | libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:01.59 | darkapp | Couldn't load XPCOM. |
| 06:02.03 | themill | debnovice: you can't randomly change commands and if you can't type them correctly in irc here to show us them, we can pretty much guarantee that you won't type them correctly in your terminal. |
| 06:02.03 | debnovice | ok |
| 06:02.05 | debnovice | now i see something |
| 06:02.05 | darkapp | same for ./firefox |
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| 06:02.09 | debnovice | i see colorful words |
| 06:02.28 | debnovice | I copy and pasted "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 06:02.51 | smw | debnovice, ok, so you see lines like deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy main ? |
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| 06:02.59 | debnovice | yah |
| 06:03.01 | debnovice | i see them |
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| 06:03.17 | smw | debnovice, put "contrib" after main on each line. |
| 06:03.25 | themill | smw: may as well add non-free too. I predict fglrx or nvidia will be next |
| 06:03.29 | smw | debnovice, you can also add "non-free" while here |
| 06:03.33 | themill | ;) |
| 06:03.38 | debnovice | add non-free where? |
| 06:03.38 | Talon_ | darkapp: I was afraid of that, the build is probably too old... You're most likely going to haveto compile it yourself. Theres dependancies linked to that executable you don't even have. |
| 06:03.40 | smw | themill, damn you :-P |
| 06:03.47 | smw | debnovice, after "contrib" |
| 06:04.00 | smw | debnovice, so the full line is like: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 06:04.07 | smw | debnovice, (note that your lines will be different) |
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| 06:04.10 | debnovice | without the quotation mark? |
| 06:04.11 | darkapp | is there an apt-get for chromium? |
| 06:04.16 | darkapp | Talon_: |
| 06:04.19 | debnovice | with a space as well? |
| 06:04.20 | smw | debnovice, correct, not quotes anywhere |
| 06:04.25 | smw | debnovice, yes spaces |
| 06:04.44 | darkapp | ok getting chromium now |
| 06:05.20 | debnovice | ok |
| 06:05.38 | smw | debnovice, once done, ctrl+x to exit |
| 06:05.38 | debnovice | i have added "contrib non-free" after every "main" |
| 06:05.47 | debnovice | correct? |
| 06:05.56 | smw | debnovice, correct |
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| 06:06.01 | Talon_ | debnovice: yes, did you apt-get update? |
| 06:06.10 | debnovice | wait |
| 06:06.13 | debnovice | ctrl+x |
| 06:06.19 | debnovice | doesnt do anything |
| 06:06.25 | smw | debnovice, after ctrl+x, it will ask if you want to save |
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| 06:06.40 | smw | debnovice, the bottom bar changes. you need to click y for yes |
| 06:06.42 | debnovice | must be doing soemthing wrong, it didn't prompt me |
| 06:06.49 | debnovice | i think i hit y |
| 06:06.50 | Talon_ | debnovice: look at the bar, it should say modified, save changes? Y/n, just hit y and enter and it should save and exit |
| 06:06.59 | debnovice | how am i supposed to know if it took effect? |
| 06:07.25 | debnovice | i clicked y , but did not exit me |
| 06:07.37 | smw | debnovice, first you hit ctrl+x, then y, then it asks for the file name and you click enter to save over your old one |
| 06:07.57 | themill | "click"? |
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| 06:08.15 | smw | themill, what is wrong with click? |
| 06:08.23 | debnovice | anything i do now modifies the file name |
| 06:08.32 | themill | smw: you need to use your keyboard not your mouse |
| 06:09.05 | smw | themill, when you press a button, it makes a click sound on my keyboard :-P |
| 06:09.21 | themill | smw: yeah, but I bet a mouse button was used here ;( |
| 06:09.26 | debnovice | can i just close it |
| 06:09.38 | smw | debnovice, no |
| 06:09.45 | smw | debnovice, that would lose your changes |
| 06:09.47 | debnovice | the ctrl x wont do anything |
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| 06:10.11 | smw | debnovice, is there any text above the bottom bar? |
| 06:10.19 | debnovice | yeah |
| 06:10.22 | debnovice | the file name to write |
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| 06:10.34 | debnovice | etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:10.48 | smw | debnovice, ok, press the enter key to save the file there |
| 06:11.05 | Talon_ | debnovice: if it says sources.list, just hit enter. |
| 06:11.10 | debnovice | oh |
| 06:11.12 | debnovice | it's gone now |
| 06:11.16 | debnovice | after i press enter |
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| 06:11.34 | debnovice | ok now what |
| 06:11.49 | smw | debnovice, ok, so now do: apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 06:12.01 | themill | Perhaps run "apt-get update" and put the entire output into http://paste.debian.net/ for us. |
| 06:12.07 | Talon_ | debnovice: also to answer your question, you can "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" which will display its contents to make sure the changes took effect. |
| 06:12.08 | debnovice | type in that entire line? |
| 06:12.23 | debnovice | "apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 06:12.28 | debnovice | do i type in that entire line? |
| 06:12.31 | smw | debnovice, yes |
| 06:12.39 | debnovice | ok |
| 06:12.42 | smw | debnovice, if that doesn't work, do what themill asked |
| 06:12.43 | debnovice | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.57 | debnovice | ok |
| 06:13.01 | debnovice | it stopped spamming me |
| 06:13.09 | debnovice | so is it installed now? |
| 06:13.15 | smw | shrugs |
| 06:13.21 | smw | debnovice, pastebin the output |
| 06:13.26 | debnovice | how |
| 06:13.31 | themill | debnovice: Only you've got the output in front of you, only you can know |
| 06:13.54 | smw | debnovice, copy the output you were "spammed" to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 06:14.01 | smw | debnovice, then give us the link to your post |
| 06:14.25 | debnovice | http://pastebin.com/ebgMZety |
| 06:14.26 | debnovice | there |
| 06:14.59 | Talon_ | are there any major differences between wheezy, now that it's stable, and the new jessie? I used unstable install back when wheezy was unstable and squeeze was stable, I like to stay on the testing/unstable but wasn't sure if there was much of a change yet to use jessie. |
| 06:15.13 | smw | debnovice, looks good to me. try restarting the browser and testing it |
| 06:15.30 | debnovice | brb |
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| 06:16.19 | themill | Talon_: about 50% of packages differ between wheezy and jessie. (about 20% were different within 24h of release) http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/ |
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| 06:16.56 | themill | Talon_: err... 30% not 50%. |
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| 06:17.08 | debnovice_ | hi thanks, i am back, it's working, the video shows now, but there is no audio. |
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| 06:18.32 | themill | !beer smw |
| 06:18.32 | dpkg | pours a quart of Older Viscosity for smw |
| 06:19.35 | debnovice_ | btw you guys are awesome |
| 06:20.10 | debnovice_ | i should have dual booted though lol |
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| 06:22.15 | spronk | hi all - anyone have any idea how i can diagnose: on boot I get waiting for mount, while mount -a after login works fine (cifs mount over network) ? |
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| 06:22.28 | spronk | running squeeze |
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| 06:23.29 | spronk | i should also note that on boot the mount always fails |
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| 06:29.13 | nikki1 | Hi all, On wheezy I have problems with compiling from sources, e.g compiler could not find SYSTEM header files and some Libraries, I guess it is related to multiarch, how can I solve it? |
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| 06:29.28 | nikki1 | I did not have such a problem on squeeze |
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| 06:30.29 | debnovice_ | any idea why i'm not getting any sound ? |
| 06:31.37 | Myrtti | is Debian supposed to have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90rkhunter file if you've got rkhunter installed? |
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| 06:32.38 | themill | Myrtti: yes |
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| 06:32.49 | Myrtti | I don't seem to have it :-( |
| 06:33.08 | themill | Myrtti: which release of Debian? |
| 06:33.13 | Myrtti | old-stable |
| 06:33.26 | themill | ah, that may well have been added for wheezy, I'm not sure |
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| 06:33.47 | Myrtti | I've not been able to update the device to new one since it got released after I had left the country the device was in |
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| 06:36.43 | nikki1 | Hi all, On wheezy I have problems with compiling from sources, e.g compiler could not find SYSTEM header files and some Libraries, I guess it is related to multiarch, how can I solve it? |
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| 06:46.51 | nikki1 | no one had compile/link problem on wheezy? |
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| 06:50.37 | themill | nikki1: perhaps you can tell us what it is you're trying to compile and show us the full output |
| 06:51.10 | txomon|fon | How may I change the subject of a debian bug? |
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| 06:51.52 | txomon|fon | I forgot to put a subject and the bug doesn't make sense without it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714053 |
| 06:52.43 | themill | txomon|fon: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#retitle |
| 06:53.16 | nikki1 | themill: I wrote a program that wants to link to libssl and libcrypto |
| 06:53.41 | nikki1 | themill: these libs are installed but linker can not find them |
| 06:54.12 | themill | nikki1: are the relevant -dev packages also installed? |
| 06:54.12 | nikki1 | themill: Also I have problems finding standard *.h files, for example I included string.h |
| 06:54.23 | nikki1 | themill: yes |
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| 06:55.07 | nikki1 | themill: i included string.h, but gcc cannot find bits/predefs.h that is included in string.h itself! |
| 06:55.10 | themill | string.h hasn't moved. Real commands and their output would probably help here |
| 06:55.44 | nikki1 | themill: string.h is found! but bits/predefs.h that is included from it is not found |
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| 06:57.27 | txomon|fon | themill: is there any dumb bug I can test against for? |
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| 07:00.19 | txomon|fon | I dont know if I just have to use retitle in the body message or what... I will (xy) |
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| 07:00.28 | txomon|fon | meant cross his fingers |
| 07:00.44 | themill | txomon|fon: you send the email to the control addr as describe on that page |
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| 07:01.05 | themill | yes, in the body of the message -- you can send many different commands at once if you need to |
| 07:01.28 | txomon|fon | themill: ok, I was just wondering about that |
| 07:01.56 | spronk | noone has any ideas on mounting cifs in fstab not working? |
| 07:02.45 | bhuddah | spronk: is it marked as being accessed over the network? |
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| 07:07.00 | spronk | bhuddah: i've set _netdev in the options, and tried without, but neither works |
| 07:07.13 | bhuddah | spronk: strange. no idea |
| 07:07.26 | spronk | i've noticed that rcS.d/ has mountall before networking, and mountall seems to define cifs and smbfs as local |
| 07:07.32 | txomon|fon | themill: Is there any way to make someone care about a not reviewed bug? #714053 |
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| 07:10.45 | themill | txomon|fon: there's no magic "please look at my bug now" button, no. Is this at all reproducible? (I know you've seen it more than once, but can you make it happen on demand) |
| 07:11.17 | txomon|fon | themill: no, I get it once or twice per day while listening to music for a really long time |
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| 07:11.56 | txomon|fon | we are several in the office with that same problem (a very annoying one btw) |
| 07:12.03 | txomon|fon | we all use the same laptop |
| 07:12.24 | txomon|fon | s/laptop/laptop model/ |
| 07:12.34 | themill | well that's probably reproducible enough to have a bash at seeing if you can solve it. Have you tried a newer kernel (from wheezy-backports) to see if it's something that has been already fixed? |
| 07:12.51 | txomon|fon | no |
| 07:13.03 | spronk | hmm |
| 07:13.03 | txomon|fon | I will add wheezy-backports and test |
| 07:13.05 | hefest | cant install headers for 3.2.0-4-amd64 : linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common (= 3.2.41-2+deb7u2) but 3.2.46-1 is to be installed |
| 07:13.26 | themill | hefest: you need to aptitude upgrade first |
| 07:13.30 | spronk | squeeze rcS.d/S09 - is it a bug that this lists nfs4, smbfs, and cifs, but is exec'd before networking? |
| 07:13.59 | themill | txomon|fon: That you see this daily and see it across multiple machines is useful information to put in the bug report btw -- it's not just one person with dodgy hardware |
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| 07:14.41 | hefest | themill: serious fuckup this testing is |
| 07:15.00 | themill | ? |
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| 07:15.14 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | I installed debian on a windows laptop, but now I can't set bios to boot from it |
| 07:15.28 | jelly-home | hefest: that looks like stable, not testing, and you seem to have an outdated kernel installed and running |
| 07:15.42 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | Any suggestions? |
| 07:16.38 | hefest | jelly-home: thats because i had problems with testing so i've ended up with stable-updates and the rest testing repository |
| 07:16.41 | txomon|fon | themill: should I be installing 3.9 or 3.10? |
| 07:16.46 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | It boots directly into bios, but I can't set a boot drive |
| 07:16.54 | themill | txomon|fon: 3.9 is in wheezy-backports atm |
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| 07:17.15 | themill | hefest: well you're only going to magnify problems by mixing releases. |
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| 07:17.53 | txomon|fon | themill: why do there appear other kernel versions not with *.bpo.* pattern? |
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| 07:18.32 | themill | (the only thing in wheezy-updates is openvpn though, so I don't know what you're actually doing) |
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| 07:18.57 | themill | txomon|fon: I only see 3.9-0.bpo.1 |
| 07:19.20 | txomon|fon | ok I just remembered I had also experimental, sid and testing enabled ^^! |
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| 07:19.38 | roshanavand | hello all |
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| 07:19.43 | themill | ah, yes. There's a 3.10 rc in experimental. |
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| 07:20.43 | roshanavand | in my /etc/host i pointed 127.0.0.1 to sub.domin.com i can ping it but i couldnt open it in browser |
| 07:20.51 | roshanavand | webserver is working with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 07:21.46 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | I figured it out... I had to enable "Launch CSM" |
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| 07:21.57 | jelly-home | roshanavand: does your web server have a configured virtualhost for that fully qualified domain name? |
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| 07:24.13 | enleth_ | Hi there. Is there a way to permanently enable net.ipv4.ip_forward on a kernel with no sysctl? Kernel command line maybe? |
| 07:24.20 | hefest | themill: well, i couldnt get multi-arch working the other way |
| 07:24.43 | themill | hefest: real commands with real output or it didn't happen. |
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| 07:25.17 | txomon|fon | enleth_: echo "">? |
| 07:25.23 | hefest | themill: is there testing-updates repository at all? |
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| 07:25.26 | bhuddah | enleth_: add it to rc.local.. |
| 07:25.42 | roshanavand | jelly-home: I tried "grep -lir sub.domain *" in /etc/apache2 , there was nothing |
| 07:25.58 | enleth_ | txomon|fon: bhuddah: *on a kernel with no sysctl*, as in, CONFIG_PROC_SYSCTL=n |
| 07:26.52 | hefest | themill: looks like that doesnt exist |
| 07:26.54 | txomon|fon | well, you will have to look for an alternative way of getting into the kernel config |
| 07:27.08 | enleth_ | txomon|fon: that's what I'm asking for |
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| 07:27.50 | themill | hefest: before you start swearing about things, do have the evidence to back it up and, as a user of testing, good bug reports preferably with patches attached is even better. |
| 07:28.18 | enleth_ | Google is useless here, it returns shitloads over shitloads of redundant articles explaining how to echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, and insists that I'm searching for that no matter how I phrase the search terms |
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| 07:28.44 | hefest | themill: im not swearing at anything just trying to figure out. http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/ i dont see jessie-updates nor testing-updates repository here |
| 07:29.03 | themill | because they make no sense |
| 07:29.13 | enleth_ | bhuddah: BTW, please read questions more carefully before answering |
| 07:29.44 | hefest | k |
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| 07:31.07 | mjt | i reinstalled a wheezy system (had to switch from 32 to 64bits finally) and used my old /home dir. But somehow now, when I start gnome, it shows a "fallback" desktop instead of (already familiar) gnome-shell desktop. Yet, gnome-shell is running. Where to look at? |
| 07:31.09 | hefest | themill: can you point me to the documentation describing debian repository nomenclature in details? |
| 07:31.31 | bhuddah | enleth_: aw, crap. sorry. |
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| 07:32.47 | themill | hefest: http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 07:34.54 | mjt | or put it another way: how a typical gnome desktop session looks like from `ps afx' point of view? |
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| 07:38.05 | mjt | here's mine (from another user, using startx) -- http://paste.debian.net/22854/ -- is there anything missing there? |
| 07:38.07 | txomon|fon | mjt check that your graphic card is supported and working properly. you may also want to erase config files for gnome (I always do a clean up of those ~/.g* files (not all of them!) |
| 07:38.41 | mjt | supported and working? it is |
| 07:39.08 | mjt | and i especially do NOT want to remove gnome configs because there's just too many settings in there |
| 07:39.28 | mjt | configs were created by the same version of debian, btw. |
| 07:40.00 | themill | mjt: in the absence of a gnome user here, can you create a new user, login and compare? |
| 07:40.03 | mjt | if any change requires removing of user settings it is a bug which needs fixing |
| 07:40.12 | mjt | hmm good idea |
| 07:40.23 | mjt | heh wonder how i didnt come to it myself :) |
| 07:40.51 | themill | mjt: does your graphics driver need some non-free firmware or driver that might not have reinstalled? |
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| 07:41.14 | roshanavand | works after a reboot, I'm confused why |
| 07:41.20 | mjt | it's an intel gfx, with all 3d and stuff working |
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| 07:43.52 | mjt | ok. so on FIRST login, gnome says it "can't start gnome3" and is using fallback mode, but only on FIRST login |
| 07:44.18 | daya | Is there is any way to specify size of partition in preseeding, file, |
| 07:44.28 | themill | mjt: Yeah, I can't imagine people wanted to see the error message every single time they logged in |
| 07:44.36 | nikki1 | themill: I found the reason, the '-m32' flag was set in cmake.list. removing the flag, disappearing the problem, thanks |
| 07:44.48 | themill | nikki1: ahah... good to hear |
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| 07:45.04 | themill | mjt: "yes yes I know, my graphics card hasn't miraculously changed itself in the last 24 hours you silly thing" |
| 07:45.09 | nikki1 | themill: bye |
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| 07:48.19 | mjt | themill: ok that makes sense :) |
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| 07:49.26 | mjt | the lack of this message and the fact that gnome-shell is running made me think that the problem is elsewhere |
| 07:49.31 | themill | (but no, I don't know how to tell it to change back from fallback to normal mode...) |
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| 07:49.53 | mjt | so it really is somehow missing 3d support for the other user, even when on my user everything is working |
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| 07:50.11 | mjt | gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
| 07:52.36 | mjt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Server |
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| 07:53.32 | mjt | so i'm not sure what it is missing... compiz definitely works :) |
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| 08:02.21 | mjt | after reinstall i've one more issue. Internal pc-speaker "beeper" stopped working (i used to use it *alot* for various purposes). F.e. echo -e '\a' in a terminal produces nothing. How to return it back? |
| 08:03.59 | Iridos | how do you tell it to switch to fallback mode anyway |
| 08:04.12 | armin | mjt: is the pcspkr module loaded? does the "beep" command work? |
| 08:05.13 | mjt | armin: i've never used `beep' command, it's not installed. pcspkr isn't even compiled, it were never needed before. |
| 08:05.41 | mjt | because, well, in text mode vt (without X), beeps works fine |
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| 08:07.13 | Iridos | mjt, hm... actually I don't have this button... but... http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html and that menu is "system"->"details" |
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| 08:07.58 | mjt | Iridos: i know i can turn it on/off when regular gnome-shell works. the prob here is that regular gnome-shell does NOT work. |
| 08:08.14 | Iridos | mjt, pcspkr kernel module is part of the debian kernel... so it can hardly be "not even compiled".... and it's loaded by udev, so should be loaded by default (as it is for me) |
| 08:08.38 | mjt | Iridos: sure. but i never compiled this driver, it's not needed. |
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| 08:08.50 | mjt | so it can't be loaded if it does not exist |
| 08:08.51 | Iridos | you don't NEED to compile it |
| 08:08.58 | Iridos | it's part of the debian kernel |
| 08:09.01 | Iridos | that's what I just said |
| 08:09.15 | mjt | i don't use debian kernels for some 15 years :) |
| 08:09.28 | Iridos | well, see, now we spotted where your problem lies |
| 08:09.38 | mjt | and you don't need any module at all to utilize beeper |
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| 08:09.59 | mjt | you may need such a module if you want to play some music using your speaker, but it isn't nice |
| 08:10.20 | mjt | especially if this is not a speaker but a pezo-ceramic (sp) thing |
| 08:10.43 | ghostlines | good day, is it possible to create an ssh tunnel to a box(A), and then forward requests to box(B) that's on the same subnet? I forgot to create a direct port forward to box(B) |
| 08:11.13 | Iridos | well, I need pcspkr for beeps and actually unloading/blacklisting the kernel module is a common way to disable the beeps... but you know better, so I guess you'll figure it out |
| 08:11.15 | txomon|fon | mjt: there are a few things about gnome-shell. First of all, its the first version of gnome that starts to use advanced graphic's stuff, its not everything software. Next, if you have gnome non-fallback mode selected, and even there it boots in gnome-fallback mode, that means a graphic problem 99% of the times |
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| 08:11.21 | mjt | Iridos: it were the place indeed, IF it didn't work in text mode. but since it works in text mode (no X) just fine, the problem is in X (settings), not in the kernel :) |
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| 08:12.02 | themill | well modprobe -r pcskpr is one way of disabling that annoying beep. and have you tried xset b on |
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| 08:12.32 | txomon|fon | themill: I disabled it from alsamixer and it worked |
| 08:12.33 | mjt | hm. are you saying that X does not beep without that module? :) |
| 08:13.04 | mjt | that actually makes some sense. but now i wonder why it worked before the reinstall, with exactly the SAME kernel ;) |
| 08:14.09 | mjt | txomon|fon: i believe you it might be some hw issue. so i'm trying to understand what it is, exactly, -- because every other 3d thing I've tried works fine, and the system worked fine before the reinstall, too. |
| 08:14.20 | themill | mjt: nfc. this seems to change every second kernel |
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| 08:14.53 | mjt | lemme compile it and try... ;) |
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| 08:17.34 | mjt | oh. heh. deinstalling pulseaudio enables beeps |
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| 08:19.34 | mjt | where's sanity? Half of debian breaks when pulseaudio is installed, and another half breaks when it is not installed... |
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| 08:32.02 | mjt | ..and loading pcspkr module changes nothing. so far, only removig pulse helps to restore the beeper. |
| 08:32.20 | mjt | so, how to enable pc speaker beeps in presence of pulseaudio? |
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| 08:37.46 | epitamizor | remove pulseaudio |
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| 08:38.37 | epitamizor | you only need pulseaudio if you are doing some fancy sound routing to other machines |
| 08:38.59 | mjt | epitamizor: it's not that simple unfortunately |
| 08:39.29 | mjt | once i remove it i'm constantly having issues in lots of places, most common is "unable to initialize sound: EBUSY" |
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| 08:40.00 | epitamizor | is avahi daemon running? |
| 08:40.06 | mjt | like a paused flash object in a browser and voila, no other app can produce sound anymore |
| 08:40.10 | mjt | yes |
| 08:40.13 | epitamizor | kill that then |
| 08:40.18 | mjt | which i don't lik.. |
| 08:40.19 | mjt | heh |
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| 08:40.50 | hramrach | hello |
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| 08:41.04 | hramrach | how do I tell which packages require package foobar |
| 08:41.45 | mjt | epitamizor: how does it helps to kill it? I mean, what does it do to stay on the way? |
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| 08:42.41 | epitamizor | it is linked with pulse to operate, so essentially it overrides alsa which is why you are getting those errors |
| 08:43.22 | hramrach | heheh, sound |
| 08:43.39 | hramrach | forever broken since linux brought alsa |
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| 08:44.15 | mjt | hmm. for gnome3 to work, should mutter be installed? |
| 08:44.50 | hramrach | if it's not in dependencies it should work without |
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| 08:45.11 | hramrach | but I have it |
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| 08:45.46 | hramrach | and it does not appear to be running |
| 08:46.04 | mjt | well, gnome works with either mutter or metacity iirc |
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| 08:46.31 | mjt | but nope, installing it does not help |
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| 08:47.17 | hramrach | I have libmutter open so it is used indirectly by gnome-shell |
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| 08:47.44 | hramrach | not the binary, just the lib |
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| 08:48.59 | hramrach | mjt: what error do you get with gnome? |
| 08:49.24 | mjt | it says 3d accel is not supported and falls back to classic mode |
| 08:49.34 | hramrach | that's fine |
| 08:49.39 | hramrach | just enable 3d then |
| 08:49.45 | mjt | heh. the question is how :) |
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| 08:49.59 | hramrach | see X logs for drm issues |
| 08:50.06 | hramrach | or driver issues |
| 08:50.15 | mjt | $ glxinfo | grep render |
| 08:50.16 | mjt | direct rendering: Yes |
| 08:50.16 | mjt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Server |
| 08:50.34 | mjt | i tried several 3d apps, all works fine and definitely use hw accel. |
| 08:50.39 | mjt | including compiz |
| 08:50.41 | hramrach | heh |
| 08:50.53 | hramrach | .xsession-errors ? |
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| 08:50.57 | hramrach | use a pastebin |
| 08:51.01 | mjt | gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
| 08:51.01 | mjt | gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256 |
| 08:51.12 | mjt | i'm asking in #gnome how to run this manually |
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| 08:51.18 | mjt | but noone answers |
| 08:51.29 | hramrach | link /bin/true to gnome-session-check-accelerated ;-) |
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| 08:51.39 | mjt | there's no such binary |
| 08:51.56 | hramrach | it's hiddin somewhere in /usr/lib/gnome-shell or so |
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| 08:52.37 | mjt | ok, so in lack of other variants, i'm replacing gnome-shell with a wrapper which runs strace on the real binary. |
| 08:52.37 | babilen_ | mjt: Does it work with a Debian kernel? (gnome that is) |
| 08:53.03 | hramrach | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 15 2013 /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated -> /bin/true |
| 08:53.18 | mjt | babilen_: with debian kernel it refuses to resume from suspend-to-ram :) |
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| 08:53.28 | babilen_ | mjt: That wasn't my question. |
| 08:53.41 | mjt | sure, hence i added a smile |
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| 08:53.44 | babilen_ | mjt: What's the bug number for the issue you refer to? |
| 08:54.16 | mjt | it's in kernel.org bugzilla. fixed in 3.10.5 |
| 08:54.31 | hramrach | mjt: if you do that symlink it will try to do 3d regardless of the check and might fail, of course |
| 08:54.55 | hramrach | so be sure you know how to recover if gnome-shell locks up your system or something |
| 08:55.16 | mjt | hramrach: but i don't have that helper here.. will it be used if i'll create one? |
| 08:55.26 | hramrach | possibly |
| 08:55.34 | mjt | i'd say unlikely :) |
| 08:55.43 | babilen | You might want to file it in Debian's BTS so it can get backported to 3.2 -- Please try the standard Debian kernel and then install 3.9 from backports. To debug your problem I'd like to take a look at your complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well as ~/.xsession-errors |
| 08:55.43 | hramrach | or maybe reinstall whatever is supposed to provide it |
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| 08:56.27 | hramrach | gnome-session-bin: /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated |
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| 08:56.43 | hramrach | ii gnome-session-bin 3.4.2.1-3 |
| 08:56.52 | mjt | babilen: actually i've a somewhat long list of inter-dependent issues. 3.2 kernel lacks a few drivers for this hw, so i installed 3.10, whcih had this suspend issue (introduced in 3.10) |
| 08:57.30 | hramrach | maybe 3.9 would work then |
| 08:57.34 | mjt | yeah |
| 08:57.44 | babilen | hramrach: That is not the version in wheezy (which we support here, you might want to clarify that lest unsuspecting users do stupid things to their system just to chase versions) |
| 08:58.14 | hramrach | maybe I have something outdated |
| 08:58.47 | hramrach | I just post the version for reference so that if I have a different version it's obvious |
| 08:58.59 | babilen | mjt: So try the 3.9 from backports if you have to -- I simply want to establish a baseline and want to rule out the entire complex area of "kernel configuration" |
| 08:59.47 | babilen | hramrach: yeah, should be -4 -- you might want to make sure that your system is fully up-to-date. |
| 09:00.20 | mjt | heh. so substituting that gnome-session-check-accelerated-helper with /bin/true helps :) |
| 09:00.30 | mjt | gnome-shell is now running fine |
| 09:00.43 | babilen | mjt: Please also make sure that you have the corresponding firmware packages installed from backports too (firmware-linux, whatever you need for your hardware + intel or amd microcode) |
| 09:01.06 | hramrach | so maybe you needed the gnome-session-bin or the binary was dropped in -4 |
| 09:01.34 | mjt | nope. i was looking in the wrong place. it is there. |
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| 09:01.48 | mjt | i was looking at /usr/lib/gnome-SHELL/ not ../gnome-SESSION. |
| 09:01.57 | mjt | stupid me |
| 09:02.40 | babilen | mjt: Please also run "/usr/libexec/gnome-session-check-accelerated && echo $?" and show me the output. |
| 09:02.45 | mjt | well, it doesn't exactly work actually. there's a LOT of flickering when something |
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| 09:02.47 | hramrach | maybe it is not supposed to run on your hardware because there are issues - or were with an earlier driver |
| 09:03.22 | hramrach | yes, there is a problem like that with Intel cards |
| 09:03.28 | hramrach | what card exactly? |
| 09:03.28 | mjt | um wait. does intel-gfx allow more than one X session at once, on different VTs? |
| 09:03.34 | babilen | mjt: Okay, have a nice day. |
| 09:03.45 | mjt | i think i know what's going on |
| 09:03.52 | babilen | has something better to do |
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| 09:04.09 | mjt | heh |
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| 09:04.34 | hramrach | yes, it's supposed to allow more than one session |
| 09:04.56 | hramrach | of course, it's not as well tested as running only single session and can bring some subltle issues |
| 09:05.39 | mjt | babilen: i found where the problem is |
| 09:05.59 | mjt | when i log in as just _one_ user, gnome-shell works fine. |
| 09:06.08 | mjt | it only fails when i run _second_ startx |
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| 09:06.46 | hramrach | well, that's obviously a bug |
| 09:06.48 | fcapdevielle | Hello, I have some problems with a RAID5 installation with 3To Hard disk. The installation went pacefully, but when I reboot the server, I have a grub rescue on all my hard disk and the server doesn't go any futher. Can you help me ? |
| 09:06.50 | mjt | i remember similar prob were present in early versions of amd graphics driver |
| 09:06.59 | hramrach | but maybe the support for your chipset is somewhat limited |
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| 09:07.15 | mjt | at least now i know where to look for :) |
| 09:07.56 | hramrach | you have a very recent kernel so maybe upgrading the X driver/libdrm/mesa would bring some improvements - or more bugs |
| 09:08.31 | babilen | yeah, lets just throw more untested software on the pile without testing from defined baselines ... |
| 09:08.34 | babilen | mjt: k, i don't really care anymore |
| 09:09.01 | mjt | more untested software? |
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| 09:10.13 | wopi | Hi All, I have two vps servers, one at Hetnzer, one at OVH, and one notebook at home, I want connect them all via OpenVPN, via the easy-rsa scripts, how should I do it ? On which machine I should generate the Certificate Authority (CA) ? |
| 09:10.16 | mjt | so far there's only one - the kernel |
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| 09:11.07 | nyuszika7h | hi, why do some users have ',,,' as realname and others (e.g. mysql) have ones like 'MySQL Server,,,' |
| 09:11.27 | hramrach | mjt: look in the backports repo if you can find kernel and rivers that work for you. Easier than building your own ;-) |
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| 09:12.07 | Brigo | nyuszika7h: they are only optional desciptions |
| 09:12.15 | hramrach | nyuszika7h: probably the commas delimit some fields that are empty. |
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| 09:12.39 | mjt | when i run it from startx, it reports "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)". when run from gdm, it is " Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Server". |
| 09:13.07 | hramrach | mjt: maybe you hav ewrong permissiond on the dri device node |
| 09:13.07 | mjt | currently running linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 09:13.50 | mjt | isn't X run as root? |
| 09:14.04 | hramrach | it is. but the glxinfo is not |
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| 09:14.34 | hramrach | try strace or the undocumented options to turn on more debug info |
| 09:14.56 | hramrach | also compare the X logs for the two X sessions |
| 09:15.11 | babilen | oh, looking at Xorg.0.log -- novel idea |
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| 09:15.51 | hefest | is it possible to list all packages with information of the repository of origin? |
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| 09:16.00 | hramrach | something like LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose MESA_DEBUG=1 glxinfo |
| 09:16.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell hefest -about which repo |
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| 09:18.15 | mjt | got it |
| 09:18.27 | mjt | open("/dev/dri/card0", O_RDWR) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 09:18.30 | hefest | babilen: wow, what a nightmare |
| 09:18.31 | mjt | write(2, "gnome-session-is-accelerated: No"..., 54gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
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| 09:19.36 | babilen | hefest: How so? |
| 09:20.30 | hefest | babilen: because both tools apt-listrepository and apt-inventory are not in repository for download, and because that oneline is nasty |
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| 09:23.56 | hefest | i think i have some packages installed from stable repo, and most of it from testing. i'd like to remove/reinstall packages from stable. any way to get information which packages are istalled from which repo? |
| 09:24.20 | babilen | ... |
| 09:24.27 | danic | Does anybody know if the output to putty is async? I mean, when I compile something with a very bad internet connection, will the compilation be actuallly finished before I see it in putty? |
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| 09:24.53 | hefest | danic: no |
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| 09:25.11 | babilen | hefest: First and foremost that setup really isn't a good idea and I just told you how to list packages by release. (or rather the bot did) |
| 09:25.19 | danic | hefest: so a bad internet connection will also slow down the compilation process? |
| 09:25.28 | jelly-home | danic: it depends on how the connection hangs/breaks, but usually the process on the other side keeps working until it the connection breaks |
| 09:25.40 | jelly-home | danic: use screen or tmux as a workaround |
| 09:26.16 | Iridos | actually... why isn't apt-show-versions in that factoid? |
| 09:26.51 | mjt | hramrach: the prob was missing libpam-ck-connector, fwiw... |
| 09:27.04 | hefest | babilen: well, its testing in sources only now, but i had problem with xorg figuring out nvidia driver so i had to add xorg.conf, which is not normal. |
| 09:27.46 | hefest | babilen: i guess its due to mixed testing/stable set of packages but im not sure. tbh i didnt find any stable packages installed with the command you supplied |
| 09:28.50 | hramrach | mjt: thanks. maybe I will need that when I create a non-root user ;-) |
| 09:29.14 | mjt | it's recommended by consolekit so should be installed automatically |
| 09:29.48 | mjt | but the error message from the helper could be MUCH more helpful... ;) |
| 09:29.56 | danic | jelly-home: Just to get it right: Let's say I have very stable but slow 56k connection with a high latency. The compilation's output has 500 lines. If I start the compilation with putty, the compilation would be enlenghtened because the transfer of the output takes longer than it takes when compiling with screen (so the output does not have to be transfered to my putty)? |
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| 09:31.26 | jelly-home | danic: it would be the same. screen is just there to create a stable shell in case the connection drops |
| 09:31.59 | danic | jelly-home: thats what I meant. So the compilation would be finished before I actually see that it's finished. |
| 09:32.19 | hramrach | actually screen might improve things because it allows the compiler to write to a local buffer and then screen transfers the output itself independently of the compiler |
| 09:32.36 | danic | im asking because a robocopy job on windows is WAY faster if you dont print every file on the screen. |
| 09:32.51 | hramrach | so if the compiler is stalling because it cannot output its mesages screen can improve the compile speed |
| 09:32.52 | danic | the output-process slows down the whole job. |
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| 09:33.18 | danic | exactly, hramrach! Thanks. |
| 09:33.23 | jelly-home | danic: it's very similar, but there's a buffer involved unlike with windows cmd.exe windows. |
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| 09:33.56 | hramrach | and when the compiler uses standard error it's not buffered |
| 09:34.22 | epitamizor | any how-to for getting fglrx working? |
| 09:34.28 | hramrach | well, ssh can do some buffering too. ymmw |
| 09:35.52 | danic | could I improve that if I "make > /dev/null"? |
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| 09:36.26 | hramrach | danic: you can test easily by timing a compile with redirecting the messages to a file and with printing the messages to the terminal |
| 09:37.00 | hramrach | but you probably want some file other than /dev/nulll to see the time output |
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| 09:37.34 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.36 | hramrach | that is 'time make' and 'time make > make.log 2>&1' |
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| 09:52.35 | danic | thx, i try that :) |
| 09:52.44 | danic | whats 2>&1 ? |
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| 09:53.14 | bhuddah | danic: redirection of output |
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| 09:56.54 | HelloShitty | Does ayone knows about any official Xorg forum? |
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| 09:57.14 | bhuddah | is there no #xorg? |
| 09:57.34 | HelloShitty | Duno |
| 09:57.36 | HelloShitty | Dunno |
| 09:57.43 | HelloShitty | going to check |
| 09:57.46 | bhuddah | maybe a good start |
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| 09:58.44 | HelloShitty | I would like to talk to some developer/contributer of xorg to make a question that i don't know if i can find the answer around the web |
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| 10:01.35 | ksk | HelloShitty: sounds like you want to go to #xorg or something like that. but ask your question anyways, dont ask to ask |
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| 10:05.38 | HelloShitty | ksk i was just telling why i was asking for an official xorg forum |
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| 10:15.21 | ksk | HelloShitty: just ask your ***** question? you probably do not need an offical maintainer. |
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| 10:16.28 | Shadur | HelloShitty: Also, you don't "think" you can find your answer on the web? Have you actually tried looking before you came in here to ask? |
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| 10:17.54 | HelloShitty | Shadur , i'm seek of searching |
| 10:18.02 | HelloShitty | i have an hybrid graphics system |
| 10:18.15 | HelloShitty | and i can't find a way to istall proprietary ATI drivers |
| 10:18.18 | Shadur | HelloShitty: So why not explain your problem and see if we can make sense of it? |
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| 10:18.50 | HelloShitty | and i saw somewhere that xorg has some limitations with handling hybrid graphics system |
| 10:19.03 | Shadur | uses nvidia, myself -- but the general opinion I keep hearing regarding ATI graphics is 'great hardware, but the drivers are a mess'. |
| 10:19.03 | HelloShitty | and i did want to confirm that... |
| 10:19.15 | Shadur | "Hybrid" is the name of the graphics card brand? |
| 10:19.22 | HelloShitty | no |
| 10:19.52 | Shadur | Use lspci to check the actual card and chipset. |
| 10:19.59 | Shadur | shadur@leviathan:~$ lspci | grep VGA |
| 10:20.00 | Shadur | 0e:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 570] (rev a1) |
| 10:20.00 | HelloShitty | hybrid is when we have an integrated graphics card and an external graphics card |
| 10:20.32 | HelloShitty | that command shows me both VGA's |
| 10:20.36 | HelloShitty | Intel and ATI |
| 10:20.41 | bhuddah | just paste it already |
| 10:20.43 | bhuddah | man! |
| 10:21.18 | HelloShitty | I'm at work now... And i have no ssh access to my laptop |
| 10:21.34 | HelloShitty | but i know that the command shows both cards |
| 10:21.48 | bhuddah | lol okay.. maybe we should revisit this topic later. |
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| 10:23.43 | HelloShitty | bhuddah |
| 10:23.48 | HelloShitty | what you mean? |
| 10:24.29 | bhuddah | when you are able to do something |
| 10:24.40 | Shadur | HelloShitty: We mean that it's kind of hard to offer remote assistance without any kind of feedback. |
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| 10:24.55 | lord_rob | Hi! anyone knows a SIP client that supports DTMF ? |
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| 10:27.13 | HelloShitty | Shadur: bhuddah |
| 10:27.15 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 10:27.21 | HelloShitty | i'll get beack here lat3er |
| 10:27.30 | HelloShitty | baybe you can help me |
| 10:27.49 | bhuddah | hopefully |
| 10:27.55 | HelloShitty | i've already tried to tur off my intel with vga_switcheroo |
| 10:28.04 | HelloShitty | but it didn't work |
| 10:28.13 | HelloShitty | i can power of my ATI |
| 10:28.29 | HelloShitty | and power it on |
| 10:28.38 | HelloShitty | but i can't make it my default card |
| 10:28.53 | HelloShitty | My laptop is a Clevo P170EM |
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| 10:29.02 | HelloShitty | with an ATI HD7970M |
| 10:29.09 | HelloShitty | and an integrated Inel |
| 10:29.13 | HelloShitty | Intel |
| 10:29.38 | Shadur | HelloShitty: You do not have to hit the enter key every four words. It takes up huge amounts of screen space and tends to annoy people. |
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| 10:29.57 | Daulity | hi |
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| 10:31.52 | HelloShitty | ok Shadur i will write longer sentences/phrases |
| 10:32.18 | Sidze_ | can I start encrypted installation without reboot the system when it finish to install busybox etc to remotely unlock luks partition ( no video output ) ? |
| 10:32.47 | bhuddah | well... long sentences are not always good |
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| 10:33.26 | bhuddah | Sidze_: what do you try to accomplish? |
| 10:34.22 | ChrisH | Sidze_: normally on a server box you have any kind of LOM/DRAC/Service Processor which provides you a serial console. How will you remote fix things like a needed fsck and prompt for root PW? |
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| 10:36.38 | Sidze_ | ChrisH it's a Qnap NAS so there is not managed card, the nas is at home but I cant connect keyboard / screen because of there are no output :) |
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| 10:39.10 | Sidze_ | bhuddah do you understand what I'm doing ? |
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| 10:45.51 | bhuddah | Sidze_: sort of... |
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| 10:46.24 | Sidze_ | bhuddah I'm installing debian remotely using ssh because of there is not video output and keybord input on my nas |
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| 10:46.57 | Sidze_ | in the past, I have installing debian without root encrypted partition, only the data partition was encrypted but it's enough fun :) |
| 10:47.21 | bhuddah | Sidze_: so you need to input a password at some point where you do not have access to the machine? |
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| 10:48.10 | Sidze_ | yeah, to do this, on normal machine you can install after the installation and reboot, busybox etc to remotely unlock luks partitions using ssh |
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| 10:48.39 | Sidze_ | but, if the nas reboot after the installation, it will ask for the passphrase and I will never can install busybox etc ... |
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| 10:49.43 | Sidze_ | so can I install some packages and configure some things before the nas reboot at the end of the installation ? |
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| 10:50.29 | bhuddah | Sidze_: i must say that i have no idea how to fix this |
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| 10:52.27 | Sidze_ | okai bhuddah thanks to advice, I think I will use debian standard installation and encrypt my data partition only it is more safe :) |
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| 10:54.22 | Shtl | hi all, not able to find the package makeinfo package in the list, but bitbake requires that, how to install pl help |
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| 10:54.33 | bhuddah | Sidze_: yeah.. it's a tradeof... but better than nothing |
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| 11:23.50 | Jckf | I'm trying to do some very basic firewalling, but even after years and years of Linux, iptables has been confused. My setup is eth0 and eth1 both connects to the Internet, but eth1 is part of br0, which has a bunch of LXC containers behind it. The host is running a DHCP server to give the containers IP addresses in a private range separate from the LAN. However, the router replies to the containers before the host can. I've tried to block this by DROPing all |
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| 11:33.47 | ChrisH | Sidze_: I would either do an USB Stick based encryption or leave the OS unecrypted and secure only the data VG |
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| 11:45.31 | korn36 | anyone knows if chrome for linux can be trusted? |
| 11:45.50 | korn36 | i mean, is it backdoored, etc. |
| 11:46.11 | jelly-home | not any more than Chrome for other os-es |
| 11:46.46 | koollman | korn36: the official things it does are pretty much talking to google. Knowing if it's backdoored is hard, unless you use chromium |
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| 11:47.03 | jelly-home | there's a whole bunch of tracking, implicit and explicit, much of it used for features |
| 11:47.15 | jelly-home | (search suggestions) |
| 11:47.20 | korn36 | so i'll stick to chromium for now. i wanted to use chrome because of newer flashplayer |
| 11:47.48 | jelly-home | can chromium use the pepper flash plugin from chrome? |
| 11:48.21 | jelly-home | if you eg. install chrome, copy the .so file and wipe or not use the browser at all? |
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| 11:49.02 | koollman | korn36: chromium does pretty much the same thing that chrome does (at least the parts we know about) |
| 11:49.20 | korn36 | jelly-home: newer thought of that, i'll fire up a vm and test |
| 11:49.23 | koollman | and, yes, you can probably install pepper in chromium |
| 11:49.46 | koollman | http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/how-to-make-chromium-use-flash-player.html |
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| 11:50.29 | jelly-home | well then |
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| 11:51.55 | korn36 | screams at xubuntu vm to load |
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| 11:53.26 | Elirips | Hello. Anyone knows about a telnet server that allows me to "manually" type the answer that is sent back to the (only) client connected? |
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| 11:57.44 | ksk | Elirips: like every mini-server every script-language (like perl, ruby, python) has |
| 11:57.52 | ksk | like 2-5 lines of code |
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| 11:59.26 | Elirips | ksk: okay then :) I hoped someone already created those lines - I'm lazy |
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| 12:00.59 | ksk | google it? sure someone has. |
| 12:01.37 | grobda24 | Hello. Does anyone have any tips for properly optimising for an Asus EeePC 701/4G ? Low memory - 512mb - and 3.2g drive. Kee[ getting swap thrashing issues when using Firefox. Don't lie Opera. A Webkit based browser might be better. But nothing seems to be memory optimised like on mobile platforms. |
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| 12:05.36 | fredsted | grobda24: Did you try the browser Midori? It's a lightweight Webkit browser. |
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| 12:07.44 | grobda24 | fredsted: no, thanks, will hv a look |
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| 12:08.08 | fredsted | Also which window manager are you using? You might be able to save a lot of ram with a lightweight WM. |
| 12:08.30 | korn36 | jelly-home: i copied over the chrome's flash files to /usr/lib/chromium and modified /etc/chromium/default and flash seems to work |
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| 12:10.13 | setuid | Upstream problem with mirroring? https://paste8.com/KcdrpCaV |
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| 12:12.00 | korn36 | setuid: it cloned fine for me |
| 12:12.13 | korn36 | i can send you a tar archive if you want |
| 12:12.52 | setuid | korn36, Seems the tarball here in the top stop is also corrupt: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#how |
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| 12:13.25 | korn36 | setuid: http://ge.tt/api/1/files/484vO1o/0/blob?download |
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| 12:13.48 | korn36 | doesn't seem corrupted\ |
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| 12:14.53 | setuid | # tar ztvf ftpsync.tar.gz |
| 12:14.54 | setuid | gzip: Invalid magic |
| 12:14.54 | setuid | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 12:14.54 | setuid | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
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| 12:15.07 | setuid | 7e14ee878e77492a612da111b596a2a6cffb3c98 ftpsync.tar.gz |
| 12:15.14 | setuid | Definitely doesn't like being uncompressed |
| 12:15.46 | korn36 | probably files are corrupted on the mirror for your country |
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| 12:15.56 | setuid | Could be, I'm in the US |
| 12:15.58 | korn36 | here in poland those files download fine |
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| 12:18.09 | korn36 | anyways, does that tarball i sent you unpack? |
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| 12:18.24 | eregus | I have problem with configuring wireless network. I have tp-link tl-wn821n v2 USB adapter - carl9170 kernel module is installed and udev *should* load it. lsusb detects my device, but iwconfig doesn't see it. I have debian wheezy. Any ideas? |
| 12:18.45 | setuid | korn36, Yes, it unpacks, thanks! |
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| 12:19.27 | korn36 | no problem |
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| 12:21.00 | darm0k | sokah |
| 12:21.05 | darm0k | his eyes uncovered |
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| 12:21.49 | jelly-home | TNG quotes belong in #debian-offtopic, darm0k |
| 12:22.02 | darm0k | yeah wrong universe sorry |
| 12:23.53 | lord_rob | I've just downloaded a program (I think it's 32 bits) and it complains that my libs are wrong arch (I think) : ./xtensoftphone: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 I have multiarch installed (i386 + amd64) Is it possible to fix that ? |
| 12:24.14 | ksk | lord_rob: it does not work this way. really. |
| 12:24.21 | ksk | this is not your windows-xp install ;)# |
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| 12:25.11 | pasky | Hi! How can it happen that apt-show-versions -a shows different versions of a package, but apt-cache show displays only a single entry with a particular version? |
| 12:25.14 | Iridos | it does work that way if you're lucky... |
| 12:25.26 | ksk | "file" utility should tell you if its 64 or 32 bit - if you want to use a precombiled-foo(not so good idea) make sure it was pre-compiled for an environmnet like the one you are using |
| 12:25.32 | Iridos | and that's true for linux as for windows :P |
| 12:25.52 | lord_rob | sure ksk but I think with multiarch enabled I have both versions of libglade-2.0.so.0 |
| 12:26.06 | Iridos | (lucky or knowledgeable enough to fill in the missing bits, I guess) |
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| 12:26.23 | ksk | Iridos: you are right, but in windows it will just work in 99% if you donload some .exe and run it ;) |
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| 12:26.34 | Iridos | lord_rob, only if they're both installed. you CAN have both with multiarch ... |
| 12:27.06 | Iridos | ksk, with "work" you mean you'll get to be an exclusive new member of a botnet? |
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| 12:28.23 | lautriv | anyone using some BT audio to compare config with me ? |
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| 12:29.27 | ksk | Iridos: sure thing. and if not you can always download a bunch of ".dlls" from the "internet" ;) |
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| 12:42.03 | es | Hi, how do I install the latest mplayer version on debian? Through subversion or sid? |
| 12:42.32 | es | *Debian squeeze |
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| 12:43.14 | dotcom420 | hi |
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| 12:44.56 | babilen_ | es: First you should upgrade to wheezy (as detailed in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" and, in particular, the release notes) -- wheezy has, AFAICT, the same version as sid. Alternatively install it from squeeze-backports ... There are newer version in debian-multimedia, but we recommend against using that repository. |
| 12:45.28 | es | Good to know, thanks babilen_ |
| 12:45.31 | dotcom420 | Currently i have ubuntu 11.04 installed on /dev/sda7. It's installed on extended partition. Alongwith it, i have two more operating systems installed. Now i want to overwrite /dev/sda7 with latest ubuntu 13.04. Is it possible without messing up configuration? |
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| 12:46.22 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell dotcom420 about ubuntu |
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| 12:46.53 | ChrisH | dotcom420: Debian has the option to update an existing installation, dunno aout ubuntu. |
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| 12:49.36 | dotcom420 | Direct update from 11.04 to 13.04 is not available. There are two to three intermediate points. So i have to download lots of update data. I was thinking to download the latest version ISO. |
| 12:50.26 | dotcom420 | And replace the whole partition with current version. |
| 12:50.31 | babilen | dotcom420: Ask #ubuntu please - This is #debian and we only support Debian in here. |
| 12:50.31 | korn36 | dotcom420: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade -d |
| 12:50.47 | babilen | korn36: Please continue in #ubuntu |
| 12:51.01 | korn36 | dotcom420: run that, reboot, run that again, reboot until you are on 13.04 |
| 12:51.08 | dotcom420 | Thank you. |
| 12:51.10 | themill | korn36: wrong channel. |
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| 12:51.58 | themill | dotcom420: Please ask in #ubuntu or consult the ubuntu documentation -- there is no way that #debian can know whether that advice is good advice or not. |
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| 12:55.23 | txomon|fon | dotcom420: you should really backing up your home folder... |
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| 12:55.54 | Companion | how do I change the broadcast IP of my DHCP network configuration? o.0 |
| 12:56.08 | txomon|fon | Companion: in the dhcp server |
| 12:56.19 | carbohydrate | hey fuckers, how's it feel to be worthless pieces of shit |
| 12:56.20 | Companion | txomon|fon, of my debian box or router :P |
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| 12:56.45 | Companion | router is fine tho but my debian box takes bcast 255 instead of .1 |
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| 12:56.51 | txomon|fon | which dhcp server? |
| 12:56.57 | dotcom420 | txomon|fon: Yes, i have already backed up whole data on that sda7 folder. |
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| 12:57.10 | txomon|fon | broadcast is always .255 |
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| 12:57.22 | Companion | txomon|fon, bcast is gateway right? :P |
| 12:57.26 | txomon|fon | no |
| 12:57.41 | Companion | txomon|fon, alright how do I set my gateway propperly? :P |
| 12:58.00 | txomon|fon | broadcast is the broadcast address that you use when you want to send something to everyone in the net |
| 12:58.19 | Companion | txomon|fon, my router/modem is at .1 |
| 12:58.21 | Companion | not .255 |
| 12:58.25 | txomon|fon | Companion: the broadcast is alright in .255, the gateway must be the router's ip |
| 12:58.26 | Companion | : / |
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| 12:58.42 | Companion | txomon|fon, yea but theres no gateway assigned -.- |
| 12:58.45 | txomon|fon | Companion: his subnet can be .255 |
| 12:58.55 | txomon|fon | Companion: then you must assign one |
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| 12:59.02 | txomon|fon | check your server's man |
| 12:59.05 | Companion | subnet is .0 |
| 12:59.05 | tMH | ppl, I need to use _5_ dns servers, the question is - how to? I put them in /etc/network/interfaces as dns-nameservers - one line, but the system won't take more than 3 of them |
| 12:59.15 | babilen | txomon|fon, dotcom420: Take it to #ubuntu |
| 12:59.15 | txomon|fon | Companion: yes, that is alright too |
| 12:59.20 | Companion | txomon|fon, ifconfig man pages? |
| 12:59.38 | tMH | when I separate those 5 server with 3 on 1st dns-nameservers and 2 on the 2nd dns-nameservers line - the system takes only 2nd line with DNS server.. |
| 12:59.40 | tMH | servers. |
| 12:59.41 | txomon|fon | Companion: no, your dhcp's programs man |
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| 12:59.47 | tMH | how to fix it?:/ |
| 12:59.54 | tMH | 5 servers, even |
| 12:59.55 | themill | tMH: what precisely is the resolver supposed to do with that many entries? |
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| 13:00.16 | tMH | themill - the _large_ joint network with MANY hosts. |
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| 13:00.27 | bhuddah | will not help |
| 13:00.30 | tMH | themill - so I need 5 DNS servers in use. |
| 13:00.32 | jdoles | Where does Wheezy store its coredumps by default? |
| 13:00.33 | tMH | why? |
| 13:00.41 | txomon|fon | tMH: you just need one dns server with multiple zones |
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| 13:00.51 | bhuddah | tMH: you dns is authoritative.. (?) |
| 13:00.55 | bhuddah | first come first served... |
| 13:01.29 | DelphicOkami | would someone be able to help me with my interfaces file, I have http://pastebin.com/bvTGPi2C and it claims to not be able find vmbr1 when I restart networking |
| 13:01.30 | themill | tMH: sounds like you need to set up your dns server properly. |
| 13:01.31 | tMH | sorry, guys, I am not here with a question how to rule DNS records, zones etc. |
| 13:01.39 | DelphicOkami | but it's a virtual interface so I don't get it |
| 13:01.45 | tMH | I just want to know - is it possible to use _5_ servers in debian ? |
| 13:01.56 | bhuddah | tMH: dns always uses just one server. |
| 13:02.07 | themill | tMH: it makes no sense, so no. |
| 13:02.09 | tMH | themill - probably, but it's the 2nd question;) |
| 13:02.29 | tMH | bhuddah - yes, if it encounter the answer, but if not - it switches to the next serer. right ? |
| 13:02.31 | jdoles | tMH: you can use thousands of servers, but that's not what you want to know. |
| 13:02.34 | bhuddah | the 2nd and 3rd servers are used only if the primary server does not respond at all |
| 13:02.43 | tMH | jdoles - I'd like to know _how_ ;) |
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| 13:03.07 | tMH | eh.. |
| 13:03.11 | tMH | ok, I |
| 13:03.17 | tMH | ops.. I have to go now. |
| 13:03.22 | tMH | bbl. thanks everyone!:) |
| 13:03.26 | bhuddah | hf |
| 13:03.26 | SirLagz | Hai all |
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| 13:08.48 | Companion | found the issue |
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| 13:08.53 | Companion | it was located in resolv.conf |
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| 13:10.12 | DelphicOkami | Bah was a problem with proxmox for me |
| 13:10.19 | txomon|fon | Companion: take into account that resolv.conf is usually created by network manager |
| 13:10.27 | txomon|fon | which depends on your dhcp server... |
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| 13:12.33 | Companion | txomon|fon, noticed |
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| 13:13.01 | Companion | txomon|fon, so I need to force to use my router its name servers :s |
| 13:13.25 | txomon|fon | your dhcp server to tell what to use |
| 13:13.49 | SirLagz | somehow, my nvidia settings are now being saved. I'm stumped why it's doing it now and not before |
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| 13:15.50 | Companion | txomon|fon, alright but debian uses different name servers then my router >.< |
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| 13:17.08 | txomon|fon | Companion: your debian uses the nameservers your dhcp server tells him |
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| 13:17.36 | txomon|fon | your router uses the dns that he has configured, if said to use static dns, then yes |
| 13:17.40 | Companion | txomon|fon, hrm their the 'same' now but wont ping google > .< |
| 13:17.56 | txomon|fon | checkout the routes |
| 13:18.18 | Companion | hrm |
| 13:18.22 | Companion | has no route ;s |
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| 13:19.59 | lautriv | bt-audio anyone ? |
| 13:20.15 | Companion | http://pastebin.com/TpxZKBAy |
| 13:20.16 | Companion | hrm |
| 13:20.18 | Companion | >.< |
| 13:20.56 | txomon|fon | yes it has... |
| 13:21.10 | Companion | txomon|fon, yea took ages to load |
| 13:21.15 | txomon|fon | Companion: I am sorry I can't help you more, I am now working, sorry! |
| 13:21.23 | Companion | txomon|fon, no problem |
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| 13:24.44 | jdoles | I created a file conf.d/a containing CoreDumpDirectory /tmp/apache2-gdb-dump . For a FastCGI virtual server, it doesn't seem to use this setting. Why not? |
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| 13:26.53 | elfranne | I have 2 servers hosting virtual servers (debian kvm), and i cannot make the hosted servers contact the other servers on the other hardware server. the hardware server can ping each other, the hosted server resolve the dns of the server i try to contact, ping gives Destination host unreachable |
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| 13:27.36 | ksk | elfranne: may it be the two "containers" think they are in a layer2 (like in the same ip-subnet on layer3) but are not actually? |
| 13:27.52 | ksk | host-routes may help you there |
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| 13:29.15 | elfranne | ksk: |
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| 13:32.34 | korn36 | do i get more performance in wine when i install native directx from microsoft? |
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| 13:33.12 | regno | Hi, what does "auto ethX" actually do in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:33.37 | ksk | regno: it makes taht this interface is handle by ifup/down on startup |
| 13:33.43 | ksk | handled |
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| 13:34.22 | regno | what does that mean in practice? |
| 13:34.36 | regno | can it be handled by something else? |
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| 13:35.01 | dv81 | what does export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 do? |
| 13:35.01 | ksk | if you leave that auto it will not be setup on machine startup and the interface will stay down |
| 13:35.06 | dv81 | i don't get EXPORT |
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| 13:35.19 | drunkez | regno: it can be fully manual task to control interface |
| 13:35.23 | dv81 | from https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage |
| 13:35.48 | regno | so basically since the interface is eth0 I definitely want it to be auto eth0? |
| 13:35.52 | regno | it's my only interface |
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| 13:36.42 | drunkez | yes |
| 13:36.56 | drunkez | auto eth0 with more options |
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| 13:37.24 | regno | all right. Thank you, sirs, for your superb help :) |
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| 13:38.44 | Iridos | korn36, that's more a question for #winehq than here |
| 13:38.55 | brontosaurusrex | should i do something about error in line 3, or should i just ignore it? http://paste.debian.net/plain/22938 |
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| 13:39.50 | elfranne | ksk :are you sure about host-routes ? or you meant host / route ? they re on the same subnet |
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| 13:40.22 | Iridos | regno, auto starts it up during boot, allow-hotplug starts/stops it when it gets (un-/)available. It's all rather elaborately described in "man interfaces" |
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| 13:43.09 | regno | thank you. |
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| 13:47.08 | ksk | elfranne: yes i do. like putting /32 as a subnetmask for the vms and give them "route add -host $GATEWAY dev $INTERFACE" |
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| 13:47.26 | ksk | but its just a wild guess, im not sure its acutally the problem with the few information you gave |
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| 13:54.23 | caraconan | Hi there. I want to access to a server with SSH + LDAP. Which approach is better, libnss-ldap or libnss-ldapd ? https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS |
| 13:54.43 | themill | the latter |
| 13:55.03 | caraconan | Thanks |
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| 14:00.22 | elfranne | ksk, one of the (hardware ) server seem to block arp request |
| 14:01.26 | koollman | whoever had the idea to use 'id names' in grub should really make it optionnal more easily :/ |
| 14:01.37 | koollman | second server that could not reboot because of this |
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| 14:02.16 | koollman | that is, things like '(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3500630NS_9QGAJML8' in /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 14:24.47 | upp | i have install debian in new server, i can ping every ip adress, but i can't pping and domain, i have add my local dns server at /etc/resolv.conf and also 4.2.2.2 |
| 14:24.55 | upp | what's can be the Problem? |
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| 14:25.55 | lautriv | upp, checked the local DNS ? |
| 14:26.19 | jhutchins | upp: When you say you can't ping, do you mean you can't ping a numeric address, or can't resolve a host name? |
| 14:26.32 | upp | lautriv: can't resolve the name |
| 14:26.46 | jhutchins | upp: Trace the route to the DNS server. |
| 14:26.49 | upp | lautriv:my local dns server work fein |
| 14:27.07 | lautriv | upp, give us nais with heads and tell us IP and FQDN's |
| 14:27.13 | jhutchins | upp: Ping localhost, ping your external address, ping the gateway, ping the DNS server. |
| 14:27.15 | upp | there isn't any traceroute packaeg by default on debian |
| 14:27.34 | jelly-home | there's a tracepath tho |
| 14:27.38 | upp | i can ping the gate, that's sure |
| 14:28.26 | babilen | upp: Paste the output of all those commands and that of "dig debian.org +trace" to http://paste.debian.net please. |
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| 14:32.52 | pzn | is there any web-based tool for changing password? I need to change passwords for users that only know how to file-share and email, they don't know how to "ssh" and type "passwd" to change them |
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| 14:33.22 | bhuddah | pzn: probably webmin |
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| 14:35.39 | setuid | Anyone here familiar with mirroring Debian? I'm running ftpsync, and it's not generating any output. |
| 14:35.52 | setuid | I've added extra verbosity to RSYNC_OPTIONS, but it's still not showing output. |
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| 14:38.27 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 14:38.28 | abrotman | the docs give you a few options |
| 14:38.28 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 14:38.36 | abrotman | thought ftpsync wasn't the way to do it |
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| 14:38.55 | upp | babilen: dig command not found :( |
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| 14:40.12 | setuid | abrotman, Was that to me? |
| 14:40.51 | bhuddah | jhutchins: haha :D |
| 14:40.57 | upp | i have only a dns resolution Problem |
| 14:41.50 | babilen_ | upp: did you paste the requested information? |
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| 14:42.49 | upp | babilen_: as i say dig: command not found |
| 14:42.53 | babilen_ | upp: Also include "dig @4.2.2.4 debian.org" |
| 14:42.56 | upp | what else should i padt? |
| 14:43.04 | babilen_ | Ah, well .. You can install it. What about the rest? |
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| 14:43.27 | babilen | It is in dnsutils. |
| 14:43.51 | upp | babilen: sorry i have lost my connection, what else should i past? |
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| 14:45.33 | setuid | Any screen(1) users about? I'm trying to launch ~10 separate screen sessions, each with a single script run inside each of them. Anyone have a good command to do this, non-interactively? |
| 14:46.16 | babilen | upp: Your configuration + ping to several components (gateway, dns servers in question, ..) + traceroute, ... |
| 14:46.25 | babilen | brb |
| 14:46.26 | upp | http://pastebin.com/p2aYPBiq |
| 14:47.00 | koollman | setuid: the base is probably close to : screen -dmS "$session" $cmd |
| 14:47.02 | babilen | setuid: There is a #screen channel you know ;) -- Might also want to look at tmux. |
| 14:47.37 | setuid | babilen, #screen is dead, been there, idling and no responses yet |
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| 14:48.13 | Perdu | setuid: Something like "for i in $(seq 10) ; do screen -s <script> ; done" ? |
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| 14:48.29 | ompaul | babilen: irc.debian.org last two or three times I've done a d-u I get a Hash Sum mismatch on the last couple of packages - are you in a similar boat? |
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| 14:48.58 | ompaul | babilen: silly ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 14:49.08 | ompaul | puts on his silly hat |
| 14:49.16 | babilen | upp: Ok, now run "ping 4.2.2.2" and "dig @4.2.2.2 debian.org" and show me the output along with that of "dig debian.org +trace" |
| 14:49.26 | setuid | tmux looks interesting, but is client-server, so heavier weight, may not run natively on my NAS like screen does. |
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| 14:49.28 | ompaul | then I do another d-u and no problem |
| 14:49.32 | babilen | ompaul: I use http.debian.net |
| 14:49.35 | Iridos | gives Perdu bash and {1..10} |
| 14:49.43 | ompaul | babilen: I'll give it a shot |
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| 14:50.15 | themill | ompaul: Packages files? for which release, arch? |
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| 14:50.52 | Loren_Eber | A Mexican and a nigger are riding in car. Who's driving? A cop. |
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| 14:50.53 | Euripides_Peppin | What did God say when he made the first nigger? Oops! I burnt this one! |
| 14:50.53 | Chenaniah_Damoda | Sheniqua was excited about her upcoming birthday. She told her mother that uncle Leroy was going to take her to Florida for her birthday. Her mother asked Leroy if this was true. Leroy said "No. I told her when she turned seventeen I was goin to tampa with her." |
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| 14:53.37 | upp | i have a new install |
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| 14:53.46 | upp | babilen:as i say i don't have dig |
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| 14:54.01 | upp | the ping to 4.2.2.2 work |
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| 14:55.21 | babilen | upp: Install it! |
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| 14:56.03 | upp | babilen: i have solve it, i have just add at the buttom of resolv.conf the 8.8.8.8 server |
| 14:56.17 | upp | so my local dns don't work for linux? |
| 14:56.55 | Sabbie | upp, that file gets overwritten on each boot |
| 14:56.55 | babilen | 4.2.2.2 should still work -- And really, install dig and provide some data. But I'm leaving now and you will have to show it to someone else. |
| 14:57.49 | upp | Sabbie: do you know debian networking? |
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| 14:58.36 | Sabbie | upp, a bit: what's up? |
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| 15:01.35 | upp | Sabbie: the first thing i have on the resolv.conf my localdns server , and i have to add 8.8.8.8 to get resolved names,do you know why? |
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| 15:04.08 | Sabbie | upp, did you install dig as babilen asked you? |
| 15:05.14 | Sabbie | upp, what's your network config like? dhcp or static? What's the ip of your local dns server? Can you ping it and do dig requests to it? |
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| 15:09.01 | upp | Sabbie: i have dhcp |
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| 15:10.00 | mjt | heh. users can recognize only ONE question :) |
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| 15:11.03 | upp | Sabbie:http://pastebin.com/7r7HBxfU |
| 15:11.08 | upp | here is dig output |
| 15:11.08 | mjt | btw, sometimes dns servers can't be pinged (icmp ping). Our previous ISP had nearby-to-us router where icmp were filtered out, so we had no idea where the network is not working. |
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| 15:12.38 | mjt | so dns apparently works |
| 15:12.52 | Sabbie | upp: that means you're using google's DNS server (8.8.8.8) and you have successfully resolved debian.org |
| 15:14.02 | Sabbie | mjt: icmp blocking is always possible, but I'm guessing that upp's box won't be configured as such ;) |
| 15:14.09 | upp | Sabbie:if i remove 8.8.8.8 and let my local windows dns server, i can't resolv any domain name |
| 15:14.17 | mjt | let? |
| 15:14.42 | Sabbie | ok upp. Can you try dig debian.org +trace @10.0.1.60 |
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| 15:15.36 | upp | http://pastebin.com/GtB4DqTe |
| 15:16.08 | mjt | 17 bytes is only header |
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| 15:17.23 | Sabbie | upp, that seems to be a configuration error with your DNS server. Can you try it on the other DNS server? dig debian.org +trace @10.0.1.6 |
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| 15:17.34 | pppoe_dude | hello |
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| 15:17.53 | mjt | btw, what does "trace" do? Does it turn off RD (recursion desire) bt? |
| 15:17.53 | upp | Sabbie: the same thing |
| 15:17.55 | mjt | bit |
| 15:18.32 | mjt | yeah |
| 15:18.36 | mjt | don't use +trace |
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| 15:18.58 | volitek | Is it possible to downgrade from sid to wheezy? |
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| 15:19.06 | upp | mjt: are you talking to me? |
| 15:19.06 | pppoe_dude | Trying to install Wheezy on a macbook but struggling at the GRUB step
I have ReFind installed, and it seems to detect the linux partition, but when I select it it says "no bootable device found" |
| 15:19.08 | jhutchins | upp: Can you resolve domains on your DNS server? |
| 15:19.25 | mjt | jhutchins: that's what the talk is about |
| 15:19.38 | mjt | volitek: not really, at least it isn't easy |
| 15:19.41 | jhutchins | mjt: I mean ON the server itself. |
| 15:19.45 | mjt | oh |
| 15:19.52 | jhutchins | !downgrade |
| 15:19.52 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 15:19.53 | Sabbie | upp, he is, try it without +trace |
| 15:19.54 | musca | !tell volitek about downgrade |
| 15:20.19 | lautriv | pppoe_dude, the macbook is x86* and EFI ? |
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| 15:20.25 | pppoe_dude | lautriv, correct |
| 15:20.43 | mjt | but i wonder why dig can't show the header of the reply it receives? |
| 15:20.43 | pppoe_dude | lautriv, it installed fine, I even tried debian-live ear lier, and it works fine |
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| 15:21.27 | upp | http://pastebin.com/g1dkwWNj |
| 15:21.47 | upp | mjt: perhaps because it's an old win2k3 dns server |
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| 15:21.59 | mjt | upp: dig isn't ;) |
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| 15:22.08 | pppoe_dude | I feel like there's a hack for it or something, but I'm trying to avoid installing GRUB on the MBR
just trying to determine the best way to go about it |
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| 15:22.28 | lautriv | pppoe_dude, i dislike EFI but you may boot into the installer again, exit when it comes to partitioning, mount stuff manually, chroot there and grub-install --recheck. |
| 15:22.56 | pppoe_dude | hmm |
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| 15:23.09 | pppoe_dude | I can try that, maybe in rescue mode |
| 15:23.16 | jhutchins | pppoe_dude: What's the point of not installinig it to the MBR? Are you using some other boot manager? |
| 15:23.18 | mjt | upp: so, it looks like your DNS works just fine |
| 15:23.25 | Sabbie | upp, now you're using a different server. .61 You had .60 and .6 in your resolv.conf |
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| 15:23.38 | mjt | oh |
| 15:23.50 | mjt | (i don't know what upp had in resolv.conf) |
| 15:24.03 | Sabbie | he pasted it earlier, http://pastebin.com/p2aYPBiq |
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| 15:26.27 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, I'm using ReFind, which I don't really care about, I just don't want to not be able to boot into my mac |
| 15:26.33 | upp | mjt: yes now it work it's only too slow |
| 15:26.45 | pppoe_dude | *mac os --- I know that with Ubuntu, I installed it on the MBR then I was unable to boot into mac from GRUB |
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| 15:27.08 | r31n3r | any i3-wm users here? |
| 15:27.11 | pppoe_dude | (I can still get there using option key)
But I guess it doesn't *really* matter |
| 15:28.04 | upp | mjt: sorry i can't ping anything more :( |
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| 15:28.23 | upp | when i let only my local dns server at resolv.conf |
| 15:29.05 | mjt | upp: which one? |
| 15:29.32 | Perdu | r31n3r: Yes, why? i3 channel is #i3 on twice |
| 15:29.39 | Sabbie | upp, it's probably slow because you have search mydomain at the top of your resolv.conf |
| 15:29.58 | Sabbie | clear out the file and put only your dns server there, then try again |
| 15:30.18 | pppoe_dude | hmm I'm going to try a couple of things, bbl |
| 15:30.39 | upp | Sabbie: i have now at resolv.conf only nameserver 10.0.1.61, and i can't ping anything |
| 15:31.12 | Sabbie | upp, can you dig debian.org ? |
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| 15:31.28 | upp | http://pastebin.com/nQFzjrEy |
| 15:31.35 | upp | yes i can |
| 15:31.45 | mjt | but can't ping it? |
| 15:31.58 | Sabbie | can you dig google.de ? |
| 15:32.24 | upp | yes i can |
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| 15:32.37 | Sabbie | did you do it with or without @10.0.1.61 ? |
| 15:32.38 | upp | i can also ping every ip adress on the word |
| 15:32.52 | upp | with |
| 15:33.00 | Sabbie | can you try without? |
| 15:33.02 | upp | like you see at the pastbin :) |
| 15:33.18 | Sabbie | that's why I asked :p |
| 15:33.21 | upp | don't work |
| 15:33.23 | mjt | and what's in the resolv.conf now ? :) |
| 15:33.24 | upp | :) |
| 15:33.29 | Sabbie | what's the contents of resolv.conf |
| 15:33.41 | upp | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 15:33.58 | Sabbie | that should not be the content of resolv.conf |
| 15:34.05 | mjt | i guess resolv.conf shows .60 and .6 |
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| 15:34.25 | upp | mjt:resolv.conf show only 61 |
| 15:34.26 | ChrisH | check resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf using vi and ":set list" to check for weird characters |
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| 15:34.44 | upp | what do you thing guys, should i only use google dns server? |
| 15:35.03 | mjt | "should" |
| 15:35.10 | Sabbie | upp, you should try ChrisH's advice :) |
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| 15:35.31 | mjt | but don't touch nsswitch.conf for now ;) |
| 15:35.39 | Sabbie | upp, just checking, but do you mean that the contents of resolv.conf is "61" or is it: "10.0.1.61" |
| 15:35.54 | mjt | or "server 10.0.1.61" ? :) |
| 15:36.01 | mjt | or even "nameserver ..." |
| 15:36.04 | Sabbie | or search |
| 15:36.07 | Sabbie | :p |
| 15:36.52 | upp | nameserver 10.0.0.61 |
| 15:36.56 | upp | only this line |
| 15:37.09 | mjt | i remember weird errors my users had when i explained to them how to use .forward files and one of them saved a word document as .forward file... |
| 15:37.15 | mjt | upp: 10.0.0 or 10.0.1 ? |
| 15:37.36 | upp | ohhhh |
| 15:37.41 | upp | sorry guys |
| 15:37.43 | Sabbie | nice catch mjessome |
| 15:37.45 | Sabbie | mjt* |
| 15:37.58 | r31n3r | Perdu: I have a debian-specific question... do you have a maximum window size limit? for floating windows |
| 15:38.19 | upp | i have just see it after that i passt it :) ohh damm why such mitake make the life harder :D |
| 15:38.21 | r31n3r | Perdu: are they limited to your X resolution? |
| 15:38.24 | upp | thanks a lot guys |
| 15:38.47 | Sabbie | upp: remember, you are not done |
| 15:38.53 | Perdu | r31n3r: I don't think so, but I never tried to open many of them at the same time |
| 15:38.56 | mjt | upp: now, resolv.conf will be overridden anyway, so you have to figure out what's up with your regular nameservers |
| 15:38.58 | Sabbie | upp: the resolv.conf file gets reset when you get a new dhcp lease |
| 15:39.12 | Perdu | r31n3r: Are you sure it's Debian-specific? |
| 15:39.14 | r31n3r | Perdu: no no, I mean, can you resize a floating window to a size that is larger than your X resolution? |
| 15:39.49 | r31n3r | Perdu: pretty sure.. I have vanilla i3 here, I still have this issue.. my floating screens can't get bigger than my X resolution.. doesn't happen in Arch Linux, running the same version of i3-wm |
| 15:39.51 | Sabbie | r31n3r, wouldn't that depend on your window manager? |
| 15:40.20 | r31n3r | I confirmed with the guys from #i3 on twice, they don't have this issue |
| 15:40.22 | upp | Sabbie: i will give this host a static ip adress, that will solve this Problem, true? |
| 15:40.25 | jhutchins | Sabbie: Actually, it depends on the graphics server. |
| 15:40.27 | mjt | ... and your definition of a "floating windows" which most likely depends on the toolkit you use |
| 15:40.39 | Sabbie | upp, only if you include dns-nameservers in the network/interfaces file |
| 15:40.48 | r31n3r | mjt: i3-wm floating windows |
| 15:41.02 | r31n3r | mjt: has nothing to do with the toolkit |
| 15:41.19 | Sabbie | that seems logical, thanks jhutchins |
| 15:41.27 | mjt | well, i've never heard of i3wm anyway |
| 15:41.39 | Perdu | r31n3r: I'm not sure I even understand how you could have a window bigger thant your resolution... Multi-screens? |
| 15:41.41 | upp | Sabbie: cool thanks a lot, another question how do you make traceroute?? because i get all stars you know |
| 15:41.59 | r31n3r | Perdu: it's common for i3 to be able to resize windows to a size that is larger than your X resolution |
| 15:42.04 | Sabbie | r31n3r, I have a debian VM here with gnome and windows can exceed the size of the x viewport |
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| 15:42.32 | redintellect | My brightness setting doesn't do anything |
| 15:42.41 | redintellect | what should I change? |
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| 15:43.08 | r31n3r | Sabbie: thanks for answering the question |
| 15:43.34 | Sabbie | upp: apt-get install traceroute |
| 15:43.45 | Sabbie | then do traceroute debian.org |
| 15:43.53 | Perdu | r31n3r: ok, I use i3 on Debian but I'm afraid my knowledge of the X server is not important enough to help you |
| 15:44.41 | r31n3r | Perdu: well, can you do one thing to me? really quick |
| 15:45.05 | r31n3r | Perdu: if you're able to, get a floating window going, a terminal or whatever, and try to resize it to a really large size, larger than your X resolution |
| 15:45.14 | Perdu | r31n3r: Are you by any chance calling the gnome-settings-daemon? Loads of bugs happen because of it -for me at least- |
| 15:45.31 | r31n3r | Perdu: no, I'm not |
| 15:45.58 | upp | Sabbie:http://pastebin.com/Kr5we5vM |
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| 15:46.47 | r31n3r | Perdu: if you're able to do that and I am not, there's some local issue here.. |
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| 15:46.54 | Perdu | r31n3r: Well, you're right, I can't resize my scratchpad to a bigger size than the screen's one |
| 15:47.21 | r31n3r | Perdu: normally you would be able to do that.. the guys in #i3 can do that |
| 15:47.36 | netg00r00 | hey guys, I need help installing Debian beside Ubuntu. I'm using Debian 6.0 and have Ubuntu 12.04 installed. |
| 15:47.44 | Perdu | Are they all on Arch? |
| 15:47.50 | Sabbie | upp, I think that your gateway is blocking icmp requests, but am not sure |
| 15:47.54 | r31n3r | Perdu: no, some of them were on Gentoo and FreeBSD |
| 15:47.55 | Sabbie | I have to go though |
| 15:48.01 | Sabbie | so good luck! |
| 15:48.01 | r31n3r | Perdu: the ones that replied, at least |
| 15:48.06 | upp | Sabbie: thanks |
| 15:48.08 | upp | alot |
| 15:48.14 | ChrisH | netg00r00: YOu do have Debian 6.0 installed? |
| 15:48.32 | netg00r00 | ChrisH: no, I have Ubuntu installed |
| 15:48.47 | netg00r00 | and I want to install Debian beside it |
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| 15:49.38 | Perdu | r31n3r: Well, that's strange... Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to debug this |
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| 15:50.00 | ChrisH | netg00r00: and why do you want to install oldstable? |
| 15:50.01 | r31n3r | Perdu: thanks for the help |
| 15:50.04 | dv81 | will php get updated? |
| 15:50.11 | dv81 | to 5.5? |
| 15:50.16 | r31n3r | Perdu: do you want me to tell you the solution when I come across it? |
| 15:50.56 | Perdu | r31n3r: I'm lurking #i3 so I guess I'll see it anyway |
| 15:51.05 | netg00r00 | ChrisH: I tried Dling 7.0 and burning it but, I can't get it to burn to a disk for some reason. So, I thought I would try with 6.0 and once installed, I can upgrade.. |
| 15:51.31 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00: it's very unlikely 6.0 will be different. but you can try of course. how are you burning it and how exactly does it fail? |
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| 15:52.04 | redintellect | When I change the brightness in (brightness and lock) nothing changes, any fixes? |
| 15:52.14 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00: as for installing debian: make sure you have some free unallocated space or a free partition on your harddisk and install it there. then when you install grub2 at the end of the install process, install grub2 to your partition where you installed debian, not the MBR |
| 15:52.25 | netg00r00 | mumpitze1: just burnng it with disk burning just like any other image.. no difference at all.. |
| 15:52.44 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: depends too much on your exact hardware. in the end you will need to google "Linux <model of your laptop> brightness" or similar |
| 15:52.48 | r31n3r | dv81: php 5.5 is in unstable.. probably shouldn't use in production servers yet, though |
| 15:52.54 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00: and what happens? |
| 15:53.10 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00: if you can, I suggest to use a USB stick: reusable |
| 15:53.13 | netg00r00 | mumpitze1: I get a coaster every time. :-p |
| 15:53.13 | ChrisH | netg00r00: The debian installer is expected to install it wherever you tell it to install. I never head problems there. But I _never_ used the graphical installer! |
| 15:53.26 | dv81 | r31n3r: when i becomes stable, will it be included in debian 7? |
| 15:53.32 | dv81 | it* |
| 15:53.34 | jelly-home | dv81: short answer is: no, it won't, not until debian 8 |
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| 15:53.52 | mumpitze1 | dv81: no. it will be in debian 8 or whatever. in around 18-24 months |
| 15:54.07 | dv81 | ok thanks guys |
| 15:54.19 | netg00r00 | guys, I'm still "new" at the command line.. so, I can use it but, I'm not addept perse at using it just yet.. one reason I want to install debian and start using it on a regular basis.. |
| 15:54.23 | mumpitze1 | dv81: it might get a backport sooner. or you could backport it yourself maybe |
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| 15:54.49 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00:I don't want you to stop installing debian, but you can do this on ubuntu too |
| 15:54.52 | r31n3r | netg00r00: you *could* become very proficient at the command line just fine with Ubuntu |
| 15:54.53 | netg00r00 | Main issue I am having is knowing where to install it without loosing my Ubuntu install.. |
| 15:55.19 | mumpitze1 | netg00r00: you will need to make free space on your harddisk. if currently there is no free space you need to resize your ubuntu partition |
| 15:56.21 | netg00r00 | mumpitze1: I understand about the freespace. I can use parted majic and take care of that part.. just wanna be sure I am going to be able to access my ubuntu install after the fact... |
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| 15:57.18 | Th0masR0ss | netg00r00: install on the free space an then add a grub entry for Debian. |
| 15:57.33 | netg00r00 | I have used Ubuntu to install beside other flavors in the past and it "sees" the other install and gives you an option to install beside it but, I have not seen that in the Debian install yet.. |
| 15:58.43 | Th0masR0ss | netg00r00: debian should detect GRUB near the end of the install IF you have GRUB. |
| 15:59.03 | jhutchins | netg00r00: It would not be unwise to have a rescue disk that can boot your ubuntu, although the chances of Debian not finding it and including it in the grub menu are pretty low. |
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| 15:59.36 | netg00r00 | Th0masR0ss: don't currently have grub but, I know how to install it @ the end of the install.. |
| 15:59.41 | jhutchins | netg00r00: Or you could decline to install grub during the debian install and have Ubuntu search for it and include it in the Ubuntu grub. |
| 15:59.48 | Th0masR0ss | ^ |
| 16:00.11 | jhutchins | netg00r00: How, then, do you boot Ubuntu? |
| 16:00.15 | Th0masR0ss | jhutchins probably has the best idea. |
| 16:00.44 | netg00r00 | Ubuntu just boots up to the log in prompt.. no grub before that |
| 16:01.11 | netg00r00 | I'm confortable with installing grub durring the install.. |
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| 16:03.58 | netg00r00 | anyway, thanks guys. I think I get the jist of what I need to do now.. |
| 16:04.02 | redintellect | can using jessie lead to loss of data? |
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| 16:07.18 | ChrisH | redintellect: it can even kill your cat. |
| 16:07.48 | redintellect | ChrisH, :( |
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| 16:08.26 | redintellect | ChrisH, I have a lion problem, I think I use sid xD |
| 16:09.00 | ChrisH | redintellect: _My_ personall approach is, stable for production servers and testing for Desktops,Laptops. YOur questions is not answerable. |
| 16:09.36 | ChrisH | sid is unstable and there the risk of a crash, data loss is much higher than testing or stable. |
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| 16:10.42 | redintellect | ChrisH, thanks ;) |
| 16:10.42 | jelly-home | I'd say loss of service is a higher possibility that loss of data |
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| 16:11.16 | lautriv | ChrisH, sid is not unstable in the sense of functionality, but it may break by library-dependencies. |
| 16:11.25 | jelly-home | if I had to run sid for some reason, I'd probably have hourly or 6h backups |
| 16:12.25 | ChrisH | I used sid on my laptop for a while and switched to testing whien wheezy got stable. I needed sid to get all the HW working. |
| 16:12.48 | lautriv | i run sid and the oly thing that hurts are the init-helpers to silently move over to systemd. |
| 16:13.40 | mumpitze1 | the main probelm with sid is, everytime you install or upgrade something you play russian roulette. you just want a simple update and it might happen it takes 6h to fix the brokenness |
| 16:13.48 | mumpitze1 | as long as it runs, it runs fine |
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| 16:14.44 | vlsoft | Hi! I have upgraded a Debian Testing system today that ran openafs 1.6.1 as a server. Now it's running 1.6.5, and I thought the upgrade will be painless. I have read about some DES related security improvements, but I expected it to work with its old KeyFile (compatibility?)... |
| 16:14.53 | jhutchins | !sid |
| 16:14.54 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 16:15.24 | mumpitze1 | redintellect: see what vlsoft just wrote? sid is the same, just a bit worse than testing |
| 16:15.25 | vlsoft | Apparently, I was wrong, because right now all AFS related processes are up and running, but clients can't access any directory that requires permissions to do so. |
| 16:16.17 | redintellect | mumpitze1, I see |
| 16:16.27 | lautriv | vlsoft, did you update clients too ? |
| 16:16.45 | vlsoft | lautriv, sec., it can't access even itself with openafs-client... |
| 16:16.49 | redintellect | I just had a sad thought :( |
| 16:16.50 | vlsoft | more info: |
| 16:17.00 | vlsoft | Client dmesg: afs: Tokens for user of AFS id .... for cell _____.______.__ are discarded (rxkad error=19270408, server <IP>) |
| 16:17.04 | redintellect | how many more releases till toy story characters end? :( |
| 16:17.11 | redintellect | I love the naming convention. |
| 16:17.25 | vlsoft | Also, when on the server, "bos status -server <name>" says: bos: failed to contact host's bosserver (ticket contained unknown key version number). /var/log/openafs/FileLog got two lines in the beginning: |
| 16:17.44 | vlsoft | "afs_krb_get_lrealm failed, using <correct realm name>." and "VL_RegisterAddrs rpc failed; will retry periodically (code=5376, err=0)" |
| 16:17.53 | vlsoft | Ofc. I have checked 19270408, it means "ticket contained unknown key version number", and 5376 is "no quorum elected". So, where was I wrong, what should I check/do? |
| 16:19.03 | lautriv | vlsoft, i skipped AFS long ago but you may try to get one client on 1.6.5 b/c it could be by protocol-extension. |
| 16:19.36 | vlsoft | redintellect: We'll just force Pixar/Disney to release a new episode with new names... ;) |
| 16:19.53 | redintellect | vlsoft, Awesom xD |
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| 16:20.04 | redintellect | Awesom*e xD |
| 16:20.13 | vlsoft | lautriv: The client that gave that message in dmesg is on 1.6.5 too, unfortunately. |
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| 16:21.09 | lautriv | vlsoft, that'S bad, indeed. may i ask why AFS ? |
| 16:21.33 | vlsoft | Not my decision, some guys at my university decided it is cool to run AFS. :) |
| 16:21.54 | vlsoft | And they thought it's cool when someone else gets the beating :P |
| 16:22.17 | vlsoft | I can't really blame them, they were right. :D |
| 16:22.49 | lautriv | vlsoft, AFS is not bad but it doesn't match some parts like permisssions and friends, unfortunately the aternative lustre is not longer in question :( |
| 16:22.51 | vlsoft | It was cool while it was running. :) |
| 16:23.53 | ChrisH | mubles most things are coll as long as they run.... eg. NIS+ (happily not packaged in Debian) |
| 16:24.02 | vlsoft | AFS's off-line caching is really nice, so with laptops on the go people can use their on-line files when they're off-line for a minute or a bit more. But this upgrade wasn't that nice, it seems. |
| 16:24.50 | lautriv | i found the @machinetype also interresting ;) |
| 16:24.59 | cyrano | hi friends i don't understand why 'apt-get' doenst work... who can help me? these are my iptables rules --> http://pastebin.com/C8kVjs9s |
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| 16:26.04 | aristoteles | hi debian, i just installed lxde and i'm happy because it's making my slow lappy a lot faster. however, i've been failing to find out how to get a battery monitor and network manager applet onto the panel |
| 16:26.04 | lautriv | cyrano, can you browse the web with that options ? |
| 16:26.28 | cyrano | lautriv: it's a web server, so i don't need to browse the web |
| 16:26.42 | vlsoft | cyrano: put this into it around the first INPUT rule lines: -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 16:26.43 | aristoteles | google seems to suggest that i just look in preferences and enable it, however i don't see it there. i checked apt-get isntall network-manager-applet and it says its already installed and at the latest version. not sure what to do abou tthat. |
| 16:26.49 | jhutchins | I presume you're not discussing the American Friends Society, the American Foundries Society, or the American Fisheries Society (top three AFS on google), perhaps you are discussing the Andrew File System? |
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| 16:27.12 | aristoteles | i tried starting nm-applet in a terminal and i got some errors exit code 1, 'failed to register as an agent (1) |
| 16:27.19 | cyrano | vlsoft: thank you, let me try |
| 16:27.21 | vlsoft | cyrano: as right now your firewall drops anything not going into your port 80, but apt-get and whatnot is a web client, opening its own port above 1024 |
| 16:27.31 | lautriv | jhutchins, you got it. |
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| 16:27.39 | jhutchins | !lxde |
| 16:27.40 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:28.03 | aristoteles | thanks jhutchins and dpkg, that indeed is some info about lxde. |
| 16:28.13 | vlsoft | jhutchins: well, OpenAFS is the topic - or was :P |
| 16:28.18 | cyrano | vlsoft: it works but it seems too slow, is it normal ? |
| 16:28.25 | vlsoft | depends... :D |
| 16:28.35 | vlsoft | it shouldn't be slow. |
| 16:28.43 | vlsoft | you might try another debian mirror |
| 16:28.50 | vlsoft | (edit your /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 16:29.03 | cyrano | ok it's perfect now |
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| 16:29.09 | cyrano | thank you very much vlsoft |
| 16:29.33 | vlsoft | cyrano: you're welcome |
| 16:29.33 | lautriv | ok, lemme try my own again .... anyone sucessfully using bluetooth audio ( headphones via A2DP ) and if so mind to share your config-details ? |
| 16:30.15 | heffay | I'm trying to install postregsql on wheezy and the server won't start. the error hints that there might be a postmaster already running on socket 5432. |
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| 16:30.34 | jhutchins | lautriv: I did successfully connect a plantronics headset to Lenny without messing with any config files. |
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| 16:30.50 | vlsoft | heffay: let's see what's on port 5432, my fav. quick command to do so is: netstat -lneptun|grep 5432 |
| 16:30.59 | jhutchins | heffay: Is there? |
| 16:31.17 | jhutchins | heffay: Does ps ax show any postfix components running? |
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| 16:31.31 | heffay | the netstat command doesn't reply back with anything |
| 16:31.32 | jhutchins | heffay: Sorry, postgress not postfix. |
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| 16:32.17 | vlsoft | heffay: I hope you ran that as root. If as root it returns nothing, then you might try to peek into your /var/log/postgresql/* log files |
| 16:32.19 | heffay | no postgres with ps ax also |
| 16:32.26 | heffay | i ran it as root, yes |
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| 16:33.44 | lautriv | jhutchins, i had it up but something went wrong, appears to be connected but won't give me a device. |
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| 16:34.03 | vlsoft | heffay: I often make my own life miserable by tuning postgresql's conf a bit, and forgetting kernel.shmmax in /etc/sysctl.conf :P |
| 16:34.24 | heffay | all the log says is that it couldn't bind a socket |
| 16:34.42 | heffay | i haven't tried to tune anything. used apt to install and it fails to start/configure |
| 16:34.50 | vlsoft | I see. |
| 16:35.12 | heffay | i have sqlite installed but i don't see how that could cause any problem |
| 16:35.33 | vlsoft | that shouldn't cause problems. |
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| 16:36.36 | heffay | here is what i got |
| 16:36.38 | heffay | http://pastebin.com/6Prhi9xk |
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| 16:39.03 | heffay | each morning i get mail from the system about a problem with exam. could that be related? |
| 16:39.08 | heffay | exim* |
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| 16:40.05 | vlsoft | heffay: Try and edit your /etc/postgresql/9.1/main/postgresql.conf , it has a line saying: #listen_addresses = 'localhost' |
| 16:40.30 | vlsoft | heffay: you might add a line saying: listen_addresses = '*' |
| 16:40.51 | vlsoft | this will allow postgresql to bind to any interface on port 5432 |
| 16:41.14 | heffay | ill try that |
| 16:41.17 | vlsoft | you might miss "localhost", or a wrong localhost entry might be present in /etc/hosts ... This is what I can think of right now. |
| 16:41.54 | vlsoft | default debian installs like to put 127.0.1.1 in there as localhost, however, that interface is up with 127.0.0.1 (as it should be) |
| 16:42.30 | Shtl | hi all, i suppose to install "makeinfo" package but unable find it with apt-get, any other apt sources to be added? |
| 16:43.32 | vlsoft | Shtl: I suppose it's in the texinfo package, so apt-get install texinfo |
| 16:43.51 | Shtl | ok |
| 16:44.31 | Some_Person | Can the debian installer non-destructively resize NTFS? |
| 16:44.46 | jelly-home | yes, in theory |
| 16:45.08 | jelly-home | would not rely on that without working backups |
| 16:45.10 | Some_Person | in theory? |
| 16:45.18 | lautriv | Some_Person, you should not work on NTFS outside winblows. |
| 16:45.19 | Some_Person | That's not good enough for me |
| 16:45.30 | jelly-home | good. |
| 16:45.43 | jelly-home | Some_Person: make backups. |
| 16:45.49 | vlsoft | Some_Person: I would recommend you use Windows 7's own resizing capabilities before installing Debian alongside it. |
| 16:45.51 | Shtl | vlsoft: while installing it has included thes, texlive-base texlive-latex-base texlive-generic-recommended texinfo-doc-nonfree, but not makeinfo!! |
| 16:45.51 | heffay | vlsoft, that seemed to do the trick! Thanks! |
| 16:45.56 | digdilem | never resize any partition on any fs without making backups |
| 16:45.58 | Some_Person | There's nothing on the machine in question that actually needs to be backed up |
| 16:46.13 | jelly-home | Some_Person: the OS itself? |
| 16:46.24 | Some_Person | Well, yeah, but that can be reinstalled if I have to |
| 16:46.29 | Some_Person | though I'd prefer not to |
| 16:46.31 | digdilem | actually, never do anything on any computer without making backups. |
| 16:46.34 | vlsoft | Shtl, after install, try the makeinfo command. It'll be there, installed. Many commands are in packages along other commands, and the package name won't reflect that. |
| 16:46.37 | digdilem | generaly, make backups. |
| 16:47.02 | lautriv | gets the impression to need a gentoo stage 1 instead a "bloated and messed up by next-gen-maintainers" debian :( |
| 16:47.05 | Some_Person | digdilem: I agree, but in this case pretty much all the machine has installed is the OS and a few applications. There's nothing there to back up |
| 16:47.05 | jelly-home | Some_Person: in that case you can try and test how well ntfsresize (the tool installer uses in the background) works |
| 16:47.27 | digdilem | train yourself to think of storage as little data hand grenades waiting to go boom and spread your precious information all over the scenery |
| 16:47.34 | digdilem | Some_Person, fair enough :) |
| 16:47.35 | vlsoft | Shtl, and you're very welcome :) |
| 16:47.35 | Shtl | vlsoft: yes got it thanks |
| 16:47.45 | Shtl | :) |
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| 16:48.22 | Some_Person | jelly-home: I think I'll use something a bit better tested for this -- I'd prefer to not have to reinstall Windows if I don't have it |
| 16:48.26 | Some_Person | *have to |
| 16:48.47 | vlsoft | heffay: beware, your postgresql now listens on all interfaces, and might be available as a target from the outside world... |
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| 16:49.12 | vlsoft | heffay: so make your firewall protect port 5432 as necessary. |
| 16:51.42 | heffay | ideally the server should listen to localhost only right? |
| 16:51.55 | vlsoft | heffay, yes, but that * made it listen on everything. |
| 16:52.14 | vlsoft | this helps with startup problems, but needs to be fixed/firewalled properly. |
| 16:52.23 | vlsoft | check your /etc/hosts file, first two lines... |
| 16:52.31 | vlsoft | what does localhost point to? |
| 16:52.38 | vlsoft | 127.0.1.1 ? |
| 16:52.39 | heffay | right. i checked my /etc/hosts and the addresses looked right. localhost was 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:52.40 | heffay | yes |
| 16:52.52 | heffay | 2nd line said debian 127.0.1.1 |
| 16:53.08 | vlsoft | well, if localhost is 127.0.0.1, then check if you have your lo interface up: /sbin/ifconfig lo |
| 16:53.38 | vlsoft | try ping-ing it: ping 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:54.47 | heffay | hm i can't ping it |
| 16:54.58 | vlsoft | that means there's a problem with it. |
| 16:55.04 | mumpitze1 | heffay: ifconfig shows 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:55.39 | vlsoft | heffay: /sbin/ifconfig lo | head -n 4 |
| 16:55.40 | mumpitze1 | heffay: there must be a line starting with "lo" and a line under that there must be this IP |
| 16:55.41 | heffay | ifconfig only shows eth1 |
| 16:55.53 | vlsoft | ok, then check your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 16:56.03 | mumpitze1 | heffay: check your /etc/network/interfaces then. there needs to be two lines with "lo" in there |
| 16:56.06 | vlsoft | it should have two lines: |
| 16:56.06 | heffay | i set up a static interface, maybe this is why? |
| 16:56.08 | vlsoft | auto lo |
| 16:56.15 | vlsoft | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:56.28 | heffay | ah yes, i think this is why |
| 16:56.30 | vlsoft | (ofc. it shall have lines for eth1, that's fine too) |
| 16:56.53 | heffay | /etc/network/interfaces only defines eth1 |
| 16:56.59 | heffay | nothing else |
| 16:57.02 | mumpitze1 | then add the line vlsoft gave you |
| 16:57.05 | vlsoft | then add those two lines I suggested |
| 16:57.06 | heffay | i guess i need to add lo |
| 16:57.07 | mumpitze1 | lines rather |
| 16:57.16 | vlsoft | then you can bring the interface up with: ifup lo |
| 16:58.03 | heffay | ill add that and restart postgres listening on localhost and see if it works |
| 16:58.26 | vlsoft | after the interface is up, I'm sure postgres will happily listen on localhost :) |
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| 17:02.00 | debiannub | hi, i'm trying to get sound to work on my debian, but cannot. i just installed debian last night and i tried with pavucontrol, but nothing works |
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| 17:02.39 | vlsoft | debiannub, try the good old text mode alsamixer |
| 17:02.48 | vlsoft | also, are you in the audio group? :D |
| 17:03.01 | debiannub | not sure how to mess with alsamixer either |
| 17:03.03 | debiannub | i' |
| 17:03.05 | vlsoft | (otherwise no permission to access the mixer, etc) |
| 17:03.13 | heffay | will adding this to interfaces suffice? # The loopback network interface |
| 17:03.13 | heffay | auto lo |
| 17:03.13 | heffay | iface lo inet loopback |
| 17:03.19 | vlsoft | debiannub, I hope you have a terminal installed, because we'll use it. :) |
| 17:03.24 | debiannub | yes i do |
| 17:03.32 | heffay | or do i need to specifically define 127.0.0.1? |
| 17:03.45 | vlsoft | heffay, yes, that's enough, and after you have those lines in there, you just simply execute this command: ifup lo |
| 17:03.56 | heffay | i grabbed this from the wiki |
| 17:04.01 | heffay | ok thanks ill give it a shot |
| 17:04.02 | vlsoft | it'll figure it out that 127.0.0.1 is the ip |
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| 17:04.22 | vlsoft | debiannub, in a terminal just type: alsamixer |
| 17:04.30 | mumpitze1 | heffay: and next time you reboot it will be all set up automatically (due to the "auto lo" |
| 17:04.33 | debiannub | alright ! |
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| 17:04.55 | debiannub | not sure what I'm looking for |
| 17:05.23 | vlsoft | debiannub: it should be a mixer application, if it's installed. |
| 17:05.50 | vlsoft | debiannub: it looks like vertical bars, text on the top, and two lines of text on the bottom. |
| 17:05.53 | debiannub | after i type alsamixer , on the same window ,i get three bar graphs, master - pcm - beep |
| 17:06.03 | vlsoft | that's so far so good |
| 17:06.21 | vlsoft | you can read the master volume right above the name |
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| 17:06.40 | debiannub | they are all set to 100 |
| 17:06.46 | dmaaaaaan | hey guys i have a non debian question but i dont know what channel to ask .... what do i need to know to connect a dlink+directive antenna to a netgear router+directive antenna over wireless bridge |
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| 17:07.21 | vlsoft | also, on the top left you can see what kind of audio card you're configuring right now - your system might have more than one, for the VGA card's HDMI output's audio channel, one for the integrated sound, one for your webcam, and alsamixer pretty much randomly shows the settings for one. |
| 17:07.36 | debiannub | i see |
| 17:07.38 | dreamer | hmmm, somehow lightdm is flooding my auth.log (has grown to 24G already o.O) |
| 17:07.55 | vlsoft | (randomly, as kernel boot time device discovery gave the first...) |
| 17:07.57 | debiannub | so is there something i should modify in alsamixer? I don't notice anything strange |
| 17:08.07 | mumpitze1 | dmaaaaaan: #networking |
| 17:08.10 | dreamer | any ideas why lightdm could be doing this? |
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| 17:08.14 | dreamer | hmm 25G already |
| 17:08.15 | vlsoft | debiannub, hit the F6 key |
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| 17:08.22 | dmaaaaaan | thank u very much mumpitzel |
| 17:08.27 | mumpitze1 | !alsa checklist |
| 17:08.27 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 17:08.27 | debiannub | alright |
| 17:09.28 | mumpitze1 | debiannub: what does the command from 5) do (run it as root) ? |
| 17:09.35 | vlsoft | debiannub, so, how many audio cards you got in that list F6 gave you? |
| 17:09.40 | debiannub | 2 |
| 17:09.48 | vlsoft | default, and something else... |
| 17:09.56 | vlsoft | (if so, then that's fine) |
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| 17:10.00 | debiannub | mumpitze1: you mean the command from 5) from that pargraph? |
| 17:10.10 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 17:10.16 | debiannub | hda intel and hda nvidea |
| 17:10.22 | debiannub | nvidia* |
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| 17:10.45 | mumpitze1 | hda intel is your videocard and hda nvidia is your nvidia hdmi output |
| 17:10.47 | vlsoft | debiannub, check if you have OO at the bottom of the bar graphs... MM means muted. |
| 17:11.02 | debiannub | yes |
| 17:11.13 | debiannub | there are 00 at the bottom of all bars |
| 17:11.24 | vlsoft | ok, it means you should have sound coming out of the box |
| 17:11.26 | debiannub | except pcm |
| 17:11.29 | vlsoft | oh |
| 17:11.32 | dreamer | hmmm, rsyslogd is also hogging a lot of cpu power |
| 17:11.39 | vlsoft | then select the pcm graph with the left/right cursor keys |
| 17:11.39 | dreamer | something weird is going on .. |
| 17:11.46 | vlsoft | and hit the "m" key to unmute it |
| 17:12.19 | debiannub | how do i know when it's unmuted? I don't see any change |
| 17:12.35 | vlsoft | it should display OO too, like Master and the rest. |
| 17:12.42 | debiannub | it did not |
| 17:12.56 | vlsoft | in another terminal, enter this command: id |
| 17:13.06 | vlsoft | it lists your groups |
| 17:13.19 | debiannub | yes i see |
| 17:13.22 | vlsoft | check if you have something like 29(audio) in there. |
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| 17:13.35 | vlsoft | (the number can differ, the name can't) |
| 17:13.58 | debiannub | yeah i see 29(audio) |
| 17:14.05 | vlsoft | then that's also fine. |
| 17:14.07 | vlsoft | hmmz... |
| 17:14.40 | vlsoft | I wonder, why can't you unmute the PCM channel... Anyone else on this? |
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| 17:15.00 | zzing | Is there an easy way to absolutely forbid the installation of certain packages? When I try 'hold' in aptitude, it doesn't care when I just tell it to install it afterwards. I need to make sure certain packages are not installed (and everything that depends on them) because I am doing them manually. If I mark say php5 as manual, then I would be afraid of something like a module requiring php5 would be installed. |
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| 17:15.19 | vlsoft | debiannub, I hope you have closed the F6 sound card selection dialog (by hitting enter on one of the entries) |
| 17:15.23 | debiannub | it's a fresh install , i havent modified anything with it |
| 17:15.32 | debiannub | yes i closed it |
| 17:15.35 | debiannub | to realize there isnt 00 |
| 17:15.44 | vlsoft | then you aren't a complete nub :P |
| 17:15.45 | debiannub | under pcm since it was blocking from view |
| 17:15.50 | debiannub | :| |
| 17:16.15 | debiannub | not sure why the sound issue, the sound was easy fixed under pavucontrol on mint |
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| 17:16.40 | mumpitze1 | zzing: create dummy packages with equivs and give them very high version numbers |
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| 17:16.56 | zzing | ok, I believe I saw something indicating how to do that |
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| 17:17.09 | debiannub | oh wait, i forgot to do what mumpitze1 asked me to do |
| 17:17.19 | zzing | mumpitze1, would I have to do it for all the dependencies too, or would the high version number prevent those? |
| 17:17.20 | mumpitze1 | !tell debiannub about alsa checklist |
| 17:17.27 | mumpitze1 | debiannub: dpkg messaged you with the list again |
| 17:18.12 | debiannub | ok i typed "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" and it says it's playing wav but i dont hear any |
| 17:18.13 | mumpitze1 | zzing: it only prevents the package to be installed you have created an equivs for. so you probably have to create several. I strongly suggest you try to backport your php |
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| 17:19.01 | zzing | mumpitze1, I have always found trying to do debian packages to be a real pain unless they are already done for me. I much prefer source management in this case. |
| 17:19.10 | vlsoft | debiannub, it's probably because the PCM channel is still muted. |
| 17:19.16 | debiannub | :| |
| 17:19.28 | debiannub | at least now i have an idea why there's no sound |
| 17:19.36 | vlsoft | yup |
| 17:19.49 | debiannub | are you sure it's "m" |
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| 17:20.01 | mumpitze1 | zzing: does the php version already exist in sid or experimental? |
| 17:20.20 | zzing | I believe it was just upgraded |
| 17:20.23 | vlsoft | debiannub, yes, it's definitely the m key to mute/unmute a channel. Try it on another channel... |
| 17:20.34 | debiannub | yeah it mutes |
| 17:20.41 | debiannub | the 00 box isn't there |
| 17:20.43 | debiannub | at all |
| 17:20.48 | debiannub | for pcm |
| 17:20.54 | vlsoft | oh, I see... |
| 17:20.54 | mumpitze1 | zzing: you could try to backport that. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:20.56 | zzing | mumpitze1, what I am doing is keeping multiple versions of php and apache around so that upgrading it can be done instantly and back if needed. |
| 17:21.05 | vlsoft | debiannub, what kind of hardware you got there? |
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| 17:21.24 | vlsoft | motherboard, cpu, sound card (if not integrated to motherboard) |
| 17:21.30 | debiannub | how do i find out exactly? |
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| 17:21.46 | debiannub | i don't know too much details about my computer |
| 17:21.53 | mumpitze1 | debiannub: lspci -nn |
| 17:21.55 | vlsoft | debiannub, if you built your machine, then check the various parts' boxes... Else, the output of the "lspci" command might help |
| 17:22.02 | debiannub | no it's a laptop |
| 17:22.10 | vlsoft | lspci also helps there |
| 17:22.32 | vlsoft | or the laptop's type, so we can google a bit |
| 17:23.16 | debiannub | it's a lenovo z560, let me paste bin that info from lspci |
| 17:23.27 | vlsoft | k |
| 17:23.51 | debiannub | http://pastebin.com/Pv75vsaM |
| 17:23.52 | vlsoft | and while at it, paste the output of: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:23.57 | debiannub | ok |
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| 17:24.57 | debiannub | and for the second one , http://pastebin.com/gnfit31L |
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| 17:27.14 | vlsoft | debiannub, by a quick googling, I found this to be interesting: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion-Knowledge-Base/Configuring-Headphone-in-Ubuntu-Ideapad-Z560/ta-p/392935 |
| 17:27.34 | vlsoft | the last line that says put the line "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" into a file under /etc/... |
| 17:28.21 | vlsoft | quick experiment follows, execute this: sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel ; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad |
| 17:28.46 | debiannub | that entire command in one line? |
| 17:28.50 | vlsoft | (or if you happen to have the bad habit to work as the root user, drop the sudo part. :P) |
| 17:28.58 | vlsoft | yup, the ; will take care of it |
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| 17:29.24 | debiannub | strange |
| 17:29.40 | debiannub | I get "Raymond is not in the sudoer file. This incident will be reported." |
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| 17:29.56 | OldParr | i installed wheezy from a netinst image and now in the upper menu bar the applets are invisibles: the network applet, the volume applet. I really need to see them, how do i make them visible?.... |
| 17:29.57 | OldParr | the network applet is there but invisible you can click on it on the empty espace, the volume applet is also invisible but it is there you can also click on it.... |
| 17:29.57 | OldParr | if you change the color of the panel it shows the color change only to the panel but the notification area remains in a a black space where the notification icons should go (a black space divided by a vertical thin line).... |
| 17:29.57 | OldParr | clicking a lot of times (20 -30 times) in the panel's hidding buttons it show the notification icons but sometimes not, and sometimes you can see only the half part of the icons with this trick..... |
| 17:29.57 | OldParr | i changed the windows manager from unity to openbox but the problem remains exactly the same. |
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| 17:29.58 | ompaul | debiannub: so drop the sudo --- you were told sudo was optional :-) |
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| 17:31.09 | debiannub | ah, command not found |
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| 17:31.31 | debiannub | "bash: rmmod: command not found" |
| 17:31.44 | ompaul | debiannub: are you root? |
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| 17:32.35 | debiannub | ok, after i rooted, this time i got "error: module snd_hda_intel is in use" |
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| 17:32.55 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.42 | debiannub | yeah i did |
| 17:33.48 | ompaul | debiannub: post root? |
| 17:33.57 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.00 | debiannub | yeah, i had to root first |
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| 17:34.35 | vlsoft | debiannub, it was rmmod that said it can't unload the module, as it's in use... |
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| 17:34.47 | vlsoft | close alsamixer (ESC key) |
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| 17:34.53 | vlsoft | and anything that might use the sound card |
| 17:34.53 | debiannub | ok |
| 17:35.15 | ompaul | tharkun: any time I've had that it was a connectivity issue |
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| 17:35.43 | ompaul | tharkun: ssh using ip addresses only |
| 17:36.23 | debiannub | alright done, everything closed |
| 17:36.41 | tharkun | ompaul: ssh with dns records I do suspect connectivity isues. It has been a pain to work today. :( |
| 17:37.02 | vlsoft | debiannub, ok, then try as root: rmmod snd-hda-intel |
| 17:37.05 | ompaul | tharkun: ssh using ip addresses only (that's your basic test) |
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| 17:37.19 | tharkun | ompaul: will do thanks |
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| 17:37.41 | ompaul | tharkun: also running ssh with -vvv you might get some clue but it is painful as it is very very very verbose :) |
| 17:38.02 | debiannub | ok vlsoft i had to "su" before i entered that command, and i received "Error: module snd_hda_intel is in use" |
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| 17:38.22 | vlsoft | debiannub, that's not so good, but we can work around it. |
| 17:38.38 | tharkun | ompaul: I'll refrain from -vvv thanks :) |
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| 17:38.50 | vlsoft | there's a folder under /etc, do this: cd /etc/modprobe.d |
| 17:39.21 | debiannub | do i simply paste that in the terminal? |
| 17:39.34 | ompaul | after the: |
| 17:39.45 | ompaul | debiannub: do this before you do su - |
| 17:39.45 | vlsoft | and create a new file there like this: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" > mysoundworkaround.conf |
| 17:39.54 | ompaul | debiannub: and run all these things as root |
| 17:39.55 | lautriv | vlsoft, linux has no folders, we use directories :P |
| 17:40.02 | tharkun | ompaul: Failed again with ip, wish me luck with -vvv :( |
| 17:40.10 | vlsoft | lautriv, and I would say könyvtár :P |
| 17:40.29 | debiannub | ok done |
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| 17:40.37 | ompaul | tharkun: that's kind of interesting - one thing I'd be likely to do is ssh to a neutral network somewhere not associated with the target and see how you go |
| 17:41.04 | ompaul | tharkun: mostly because it will rule out some other network problems --- I got to split back in a while |
| 17:41.07 | vlsoft | debiannub, so, check your handywork: cat /etc/modprobe.d/mysoundworkaround.conf |
| 17:41.18 | debiannub | on a new terminal window? |
| 17:41.25 | debiannub | because now i'm stil in modprobe |
| 17:41.34 | vlsoft | debiannub, in any terminal. If it shows the one line that has the thinkpad model set, then you're ready to reboot your laptop |
| 17:41.56 | lautriv | tharkun, broken pipe is network-related, do you get connection which breaks after a short while ? |
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| 17:42.41 | debiannub | ok, I didn't root when I entered "cat /etc/modprobe.d/mysoundworkaround.conf" and i get "option snd-hda-intel model = thinkpad |
| 17:42.53 | debiannub | so i need to reboot now |
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| 17:43.14 | vlsoft | ok, then that's very good, and reboot. It gets picked up during startup, and you'll have sound, I think. |
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| 17:43.34 | debiannub | one moment, let me reboot and come back to tell results |
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| 17:44.15 | vlsoft | wonders spaces around that = will bork up module loading or not... |
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| 17:46.24 | boudiccas | how can i find out the size of an existing urxvt window please? if i know it then i can reload it to the same size for all of my tmux windows |
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| 17:48.25 | goldkatze | boudiccas: use xdotool and wmctrl |
| 17:48.32 | boudiccas | cheers |
| 17:48.53 | debiannub | hi, something is wrong, there's no sound and i typed in alsamixer in terminal and i only get one bar this time, I only have "master" bar now |
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| 17:49.01 | vlsoft | debiannub, welcome back |
| 17:49.10 | debiannub | :| |
| 17:49.13 | vlsoft | so, I was wondering if you had spaces around that = character... |
| 17:49.30 | debiannub | which character, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 17:49.40 | vlsoft | options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad |
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| 17:49.56 | goldkatze | boudiccas: I'd have also proposed using kstart to set restart size, though the way you asked doesnt make me expect you to be fond of loading half a KDE for the job :D |
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| 17:50.19 | debiannub | i copied and pasted the line on terminal, you mean the space between the first symbol of that line from the origin? |
| 17:50.59 | vlsoft | debiannub, when you acknowledged you have that line in that file, you wrote: and i get "option snd-hda-intel model = thinkpad |
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| 17:51.11 | vlsoft | and I saw two spaces, one before the = and one after |
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| 17:51.24 | vlsoft | if it was a copy-paste, then it means trouble. |
| 17:51.26 | debiannub | oh, i didn't notice if there was a space or not |
| 17:51.33 | debiannub | oh crap lol |
| 17:52.00 | vlsoft | you should fix the file if it has those two spaces inside... |
| 17:52.11 | debiannub | how to? :| |
| 17:52.20 | vlsoft | just repeat the original command as root: |
| 17:52.39 | debiannub | all is lost, since i restarted the computer |
| 17:52.39 | vlsoft | echo "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" > /etc/modprobe.d/mysoundworkaround.conf |
| 17:53.05 | vlsoft | btw. your shell probably keeps a history, use the "up" key to scroll through them :P |
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| 17:53.31 | debiannub | no it doesn't because im on freenode webchat |
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| 17:53.57 | vlsoft | your terminal's shell... I bet it's bash or something like that, as people rarely use pure old sh |
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| 17:54.05 | debiannub | no idea :| |
| 17:54.15 | vlsoft | in any terminal try pressing the up key... |
| 17:54.16 | debiannub | oh |
| 17:54.20 | debiannub | wait i see what you mean |
| 17:54.22 | vlsoft | if it recalls old commands, then you have history |
| 17:54.28 | debiannub | yeah i see now |
| 17:54.58 | debiannub | so what space are you referrning? |
| 17:55.01 | vlsoft | and bash can reverse search if you press ctrl-R and start typing a part of a previously entered command... |
| 17:55.06 | debiannub | referring to* |
| 17:55.08 | cyrano | mmh... i have several domains on my apache2 server... foo.org, bar.com, xxx.net... ok? i defined all these vhosts and all works finely... but if i try to open 123.123.123.123 (which is the IP of my server) i can see one of the previously defined domains... i would like to show the 'default' vhost when a direct-access happens... who can help me? thanks a lot! |
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| 17:55.36 | vlsoft | debiannub, make it simple, as root, enter this (exactly as shown, spaces where you see spaces, no spaces where there aren't): |
| 17:55.43 | vlsoft | echo "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" > /etc/modprobe.d/mysoundworkaround.conf |
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| 17:56.09 | debiannub | "rmmod snd-hda-intel^C sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" |
| 17:56.15 | vlsoft | (there are no spaces before the = part) |
| 17:56.17 | debiannub | that was the last command |
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| 17:56.40 | vlsoft | forget the command history, just enter the new command I recommended ~3 lines above ^^^ |
| 17:57.02 | vlsoft | also, you might be able to copy-paste it... |
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| 17:57.19 | debiannub | kind of confused about the space, how do i know where there shouldn't be any space? |
| 17:57.24 | vlsoft | select it with the mouse, don't press ctrl-c or ctrl-v, and over the terminal, hit the middle mouse button |
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| 17:59.42 | debiannub | vlsoft: how did you see two spaces? |
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| 18:00.12 | vlsoft | debiannub, I'm using an IRC client with a fixed width font. That helps a lot. |
| 18:00.12 | SNow | hi guys, i run a linux debian wheezy with nginx, nginx operates around 4k req/s in the satus section i see that there are 25k active connections, 24 are waiting, and the current req/s is 4k/s. Another thing what I see on eth0 is that I have 30m packets of drops. Iptables are flushed but loaded in the kernel, what other performance tuning could I do in order to improve the performance and reduce the drops? |
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| 18:00.33 | debiannub | wait but how did you see what I entered? |
| 18:00.52 | vlsoft | you copy-pasted the result of a command, I must assume... |
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| 18:00.58 | debiannub | oh |
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| 18:01.52 | debiannub | am i looking at "rmmod snd-hda-intel ; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad? |
| 18:02.04 | debiannub | you mentioned the "echo" line which confused me |
| 18:02.05 | SNow | http://db.tt/SCddxKYL |
| 18:02.13 | vlsoft | feels like helping in landing a boeing 747 while sitting at home in front of his own laptop... Good luck :P |
| 18:03.03 | SmashingX | now that I have my computer connected to VPN, support told me that if I want to get connected to that computer I have to do it via DNS, can somebody tell me how does that work? |
| 18:03.08 | vlsoft | debiannub, let me lobotomize you a bit... so, I'm asking you, to forget everything I said so far, open a new terminal, be root in it (su -) and enter exactly one command: |
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| 18:03.19 | debiannub | :P ok |
| 18:03.38 | vlsoft | echo "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" > /etc/modprobe.d/mysoundworkaround.conf |
| 18:03.43 | vlsoft | debiannub, this command ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 18:04.48 | debiannub | ok i typed that in this time |
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| 18:05.23 | vlsoft | debiannub, there's a space after the word options, another after snd-da-intel, and no other space before the closing " character |
| 18:05.39 | vlsoft | if done ritght, reboot, and pray for the best. |
| 18:05.51 | vlsoft | -t * |
| 18:06.02 | debiannub | wait |
| 18:06.22 | vlsoft | waiting... :) |
| 18:06.26 | debiannub | there's a space after ...thinkpad" > / |
| 18:06.38 | debiannub | a space then the tri |
| 18:06.39 | cyrano | how can i disable direct ip access to apache2 and allow instead access via vhosts? |
| 18:06.48 | debiannub | then another space from the tri to the slash |
| 18:06.48 | vlsoft | those spaces fortunately are optional |
| 18:06.51 | gen200 | what sort of a drive i need to instal in order to get the SCSI storage controller to work.. lspci shows its Adaptec AIC-7902B |
| 18:07.00 | debiannub | so i don't need to worry if i double spaced those? |
| 18:07.01 | gen200 | i tried the general one but no luck... |
| 18:07.16 | debiannub | alright brb |
| 18:07.30 | debiannub | btw |
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| 18:08.02 | debiannub | actually btw |
| 18:08.02 | vlsoft | gen200, probably U320 scsi drives. |
| 18:08.03 | debiannub | brb* |
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| 18:08.21 | gen200 | vlsoft: do i have to downlod them seperate? |
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| 18:08.28 | vlsoft | oh, you mean kernel module? |
| 18:08.42 | vlsoft | I thought hard drives with spinning thingies as platters, and buzzing read/write heads :) |
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| 18:09.02 | vlsoft | sec. then |
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| 18:09.12 | mjevans | I have a list of packages and versions; what command will let me (mark for) install an exact version of a package, even if it's already installed? |
| 18:09.15 | gen200 | vlsoft: i am middle of the installation of debian, at this moment the harddisk is not detected.. so i guess i need to use a specific driver... |
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| 18:09.43 | vlsoft | gen200, I see. Sec., looking for the right module for you... |
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| 18:10.13 | vlsoft | gen200, I think it is the aic79xx module (aic79xx.ko) |
| 18:10.20 | gen200 | vlsoft: i thought its aic79xx or aic 7xxxx and none of them seems to be working |
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| 18:10.31 | gen200 | vlsoft: do i have to modprob those? |
| 18:10.49 | vlsoft | you know you can access a second console if you hit ctrl-alt-f2 ... |
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| 18:11.11 | debianub | no luck :| |
| 18:11.13 | gen200 | vlsoft: i did now that |
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| 18:11.19 | vlsoft | gen200, you can check the kernel output with the dmesg command |
| 18:11.58 | vlsoft | debiannub, in alsamixer, you said you see only one volume column... what's the name of the sound card after the Card: ? |
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| 18:12.46 | debianub | for masters, card: pulseaudio chip: pulseaudio |
| 18:12.59 | vlsoft | urgh ... I hate pulseaudio :P |
| 18:13.03 | debianub | i opened pavucontrol no i don't even see any avtivity |
| 18:13.05 | debianub | now* |
| 18:13.09 | gen200 | vlsoft: lspci -k shows aic79xx "kernel driver in use" |
| 18:13.23 | vlsoft | gen200, that's so far so good |
| 18:13.32 | gen200 | vlsoft: so i gues sit should be ok.. now shall i proceed with the installaion? |
| 18:13.35 | vlsoft | gen200, maybe you miss the sd_mod module? |
| 18:13.49 | vlsoft | gen200, try this on the second console: modprobe sd_mod |
| 18:13.50 | gen200 | vlsoft: whats that? |
| 18:14.00 | vlsoft | it's the SCSI subsystem's disk module... |
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| 18:14.46 | ak74 | Hola! :) |
| 18:14.52 | vlsoft | gen200, also, you could try peeking at your scsi devices like so: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 18:15.54 | gen200 | vlsoft: that doesn;t help.. |
| 18:16.05 | vlsoft | debianub, in alsamixer, try hitting F6, and see what sound cards you can select... |
| 18:16.06 | gen200 | vlsoft: still the disk is not detected... |
| 18:16.27 | vlsoft | gen200, the controller detected the disks at boot time? |
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| 18:16.33 | SmashingX | How can I see what DNS is best for me? |
| 18:16.48 | debianub | after f6 i still get the same, intel and nvidia |
| 18:16.48 | gen200 | cat /proc/scsi/scsi return error can't open /proc/scsi/scsi no such file or directory |
| 18:16.49 | vlsoft | SmashingX, a locally installed bind9... |
| 18:16.58 | vlsoft | debiannub, select the intel one then |
| 18:17.02 | gen200 | vlsoft: thats correct, its detected at the begining of the boot |
| 18:17.03 | ak74 | open dns 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 |
| 18:17.10 | SmashingX | bind9? |
| 18:17.12 | debianub | oh now i got three slots again |
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| 18:17.31 | vlsoft | SmashingX, bind9 is a pretty neat DNS server... |
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| 18:17.45 | vlsoft | apt-get install bind9 |
| 18:17.55 | vlsoft | and then it runs on localhost (and more) |
| 18:17.57 | SmashingX | right but like I said earlier they told me I could connect 2 computers using DynDNS |
| 18:18.07 | SmashingX | one of those computers is connected to VPN |
| 18:18.17 | SmashingX | so I was wondering how that would work |
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| 18:18.56 | vlsoft | So you're trying to connect two linux boxes over a VPN, and as one of them (or both) have dynamic IP addresses, you want to use dyndns services, so they can find each other? |
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| 18:19.05 | PsySc0rpi0n | bhuddah- |
| 18:19.22 | gen200 | vlsoft: is there anything else we can do ? |
| 18:19.38 | bhuddah | what was this? |
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| 18:20.15 | vlsoft | gen200, if the aic79xx modules is loaded (it is) and sd_mod is loaded too, then I ran out of ideas. This usually makes the disks available to the installer (or rescue cd, or whatever I'm playing with) |
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| 18:20.41 | HelloShitty | bhuddah- |
| 18:20.47 | HelloShitty | i'm at home now |
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| 18:21.03 | bhuddah | *lol* okay.. HelloShitty ... you puzzled me... |
| 18:21.11 | SmashingX | vlsoft: well, I don't even know if I have to use Dynamic DNS to be able to connect them, but you know that when one of those computer is using VPN now you are not able to connect to that one via SSH |
| 18:21.12 | gen200 | vlsoft: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/troubles-adaptec-aic-7902-help-174224931.html i am going to try this... let see |
| 18:21.15 | SmashingX | with the old IP |
| 18:21.25 | gen200 | vlsoft: let u know the results... :_ |
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| 18:22.12 | angs | how can I disable apache2 daemon to be run at the start-up? |
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| 18:23.11 | debianub | vlsoft: any other ideas/ |
| 18:23.19 | nkuttler | angs: man update-rc.d, or install rcconf |
| 18:23.31 | ankso | angs: chkconfig apache2 off |
| 18:23.34 | vlsoft | debiannub, I would expect your system to have sound by now, so unfortunately, no more ideas. |
| 18:23.39 | Etherape | angs: check your runlevel and disable relevant init script |
| 18:23.44 | debianub | :| |
| 18:24.10 | vlsoft | sorry, it's hard to troubleshoot unknown hardware from far away. |
| 18:24.11 | angs | thanks |
| 18:25.36 | debianub | ] |
| 18:25.53 | debianub | ok i just found out something strange |
| 18:25.57 | debianub | vlsoft |
| 18:26.03 | debianub | all of a sudden i have sound |
| 18:26.03 | HelloShitty | bhuddah- my nick usually is HelloShitty but the second one is the other |
| 18:26.12 | bhuddah | now i know ;) |
| 18:26.22 | HelloShitty | :) |
| 18:26.28 | HelloShitty | look |
| 18:26.36 | HelloShitty | do you want to try to help me now? |
| 18:26.42 | bhuddah | i can try |
| 18:26.43 | HelloShitty | i can paste command outputs |
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| 18:26.47 | debianub | vlsoft: but the sound is only coming from my laptop but not through my monitor which is connected to speakers by aux |
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| 18:26.49 | vlsoft | debianub, then we'll just cheer :) |
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| 18:26.53 | HelloShitty | so, the first one is lspci, right? |
| 18:27.04 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: good idea |
| 18:27.30 | HelloShitty | http://pastebin.com/qZD8xezA |
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| 18:29.04 | vlsoft | debianub, usually these intel integrated sound cards mean trouble. Each time I upgrade my debian testing system, or compile a new kernel for my system on this laptop (Dell Latitude e5530), something regarding sound support changes. Sometimes I have a neat feature where I can turn off jack sensing and able to turn on/off the audio out jack while the main speakers are still on (cool feature in my opinion), sometimes I don't. Sometimes I h |
| 18:29.04 | vlsoft | ave an option to select if the jack connector is a mic-in or a line-in, sometimes it's fixed as mic-in (this is bad...) |
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| 18:29.24 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: give me a hint at the precise description of your problem again. i might have forgot it ^^ |
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| 18:30.09 | HelloShitty | bhuddah- |
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| 18:30.18 | vlsoft | debianub, so, if in alsamixer you have a sound channel like thing without a volume bar that lets itself get muted and unmuted, you might be able to enable your external audio out |
| 18:30.27 | HelloShitty | from de beggining |
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| 18:30.53 | HelloShitty | i have an application that needs some power for rendering -> BricsCAD |
| 18:31.00 | debianub | vlsoft: i'm not sure what just happened but it stopped, i heard the audio for a minute and then it stopped |
| 18:31.02 | vlsoft | debianub, also, sometimes you get another "channel" where you can change a line of text with the up/down keys |
| 18:31.06 | HelloShitty | And i want to use my ATI to work in BricsCAD |
| 18:31.15 | HelloShitty | but my default VGA is the Intel |
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| 18:31.24 | HelloShitty | wich is intergrated in CPU |
| 18:31.33 | HelloShitty | wich is an I7-3740Q |
| 18:31.37 | bhuddah | okay. |
| 18:31.40 | vlsoft | debianub, your environment of choice requires pulseaudio support? |
| 18:31.46 | bhuddah | so somewhat like my macbook here, HelloShitty ^^ |
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| 18:31.56 | HelloShitty | And i have another one that is an ATI HD7970M |
| 18:31.57 | debianub | no idea , i don't really need it if it's causing this |
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| 18:32.20 | HelloShitty | i tryied to switch cards with vga_switch |
| 18:32.23 | vlsoft | debianub, I use alsa only. As far as I know it, pulseaudio sits on top of alsa, managing it. |
| 18:32.23 | HelloShitty | i tryied to switch cards with vga_switcheroo |
| 18:32.28 | HelloShitty | but i can't do it |
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| 18:32.37 | HelloShitty | i can only power off the ATI |
| 18:32.42 | HelloShitty | and power it on again |
| 18:33.04 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: a little googling turned this here up: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index3h2 |
| 18:33.07 | debianub | so what does all this mean? sound just won't work on my pc? lol |
| 18:33.09 | HelloShitty | i can't switch between Intel and ATI with vga-switcheroo |
| 18:33.14 | vlsoft | debianub, http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 18:33.28 | vlsoft | that guide is for ubuntu, but applies to debian too ^ |
| 18:33.42 | HelloShitty | so i thought about installing proprietary drivers |
| 18:33.47 | HelloShitty | but i can't do it either |
| 18:34.09 | HelloShitty | i get some errors after installing the .run file frm amd/ati site |
| 18:34.29 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: and that one here: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 18:34.58 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: so.. we have two issues.. without the proprietary driver i guess it will not work (at least not good) |
| 18:35.01 | jordilopezamat | hi debianers |
| 18:35.01 | debianub | ok vlsoft thanks for the help, i need to take a break from this |
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| 18:35.11 | HelloShitty | what i did want was either switch cards with vga_switcheroo or install proprietary drivres so that i could use my card |
| 18:35.21 | HelloShitty | ok, i'm going to take a look to both links |
| 18:35.36 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: yes please.. i think there is the solution somewhere in there |
| 18:35.49 | vlsoft | debianub, you're welcome. I hope you'll get it fixed. |
| 18:36.07 | debianub | i'll be back if i haven't resolved this by tonight |
| 18:36.09 | debianub | bye |
| 18:36.11 | HelloShitty | because bricsCAD when is launched says that there is no hardware acceleration supported and will fall back into software rendering |
| 18:36.27 | HelloShitty | and it get's really slow when working in 3D |
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| 18:36.37 | vlsoft | So... Anyone here who knows openafs inside out, especially the new DES-related changes in 1.6.5? |
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| 18:37.38 | jordilopezamat | those simple tips that make your life more healthy... ¿can anybody reming me about that little app name that given a geoposition ( coords) would automagically adjust your monitor brightness ? |
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| 18:40.05 | jordilopezamat | got it ! if anybody is interested in taking care of his eyes ... : "F.lux" :-D |
| 18:40.27 | bhuddah | used that. made me tired ^^ |
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| 18:41.01 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat: redshift is an open-source reimplementation and is present in debian |
| 18:41.27 | jordilopezamat | great, useful...thanks jelly-home |
| 18:41.48 | jordilopezamat | i love #Debian IRC |
| 18:42.10 | dvs | !lart jordilopezamat |
| 18:42.10 | dpkg | rm -rf's jordilopezamat |
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| 18:42.31 | jordilopezamat | so 'apt-get install redshift' |
| 18:42.33 | jelly-home | what was that for |
| 18:43.04 | bhuddah | o0? |
| 18:43.48 | jordilopezamat | ? |
| 18:43.48 | dvs | we're not all *that* nice. Muhahaha |
| 18:44.04 | jordilopezamat | :-P |
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| 18:44.21 | bhuddah | oh the evil mastermind ^^ |
| 18:44.51 | jordilopezamat | who are you dvs ... are you human or machine ? |
| 18:45.04 | jordilopezamat | :-P |
| 18:45.18 | jelly-home | dvs: botsnack |
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| 18:45.34 | dvs | *patui! |
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| 18:47.59 | mengxuan | I want to see what params are used in a deb package build, how should i find the arguments passed in configure in a deb source pacakge? |
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| 18:51.09 | jordilopezamat | Hi again, |
| 18:51.24 | dvs | gets ready to lart |
| 18:51.45 | jordilopezamat | ¿how can i made such a setting 'iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1mW' persistent at boot ? |
| 18:52.02 | jordilopezamat | thanks beforhand dvs |
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| 18:52.45 | bhuddah | jordilopezamat: quick hack: put it in rc.local |
| 18:52.55 | jordanm | jordilopezamat: you could use a pre-up or post-up rule in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:52.56 | jordilopezamat | yep bhuddah |
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| 18:53.06 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat: put it in /etc/network/interfaces next to other wlan0 settings, if they're there? See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 18:53.21 | jordilopezamat | thanks guys |
| 18:53.32 | jelly-home | man 7 wireless is a bit too short |
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| 19:00.29 | HelloShitty | bhuddah- |
| 19:00.35 | bhuddah | jep? |
| 19:01.00 | HelloShitty | the problem is that the system is an hybrid system and i think xorg has some kind of limitatin handling hybrid systems |
| 19:01.35 | bhuddah | well. i thought there was a part about that in there. |
| 19:01.57 | bhuddah | honestly.. i usually run it only on servers.. headless mostly... so i have no vast experience on that |
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| 19:02.31 | HelloShitty | i will read more carefully both links |
| 19:03.06 | HelloShitty | because i read them really fast |
| 19:03.17 | HelloShitty | because my daughter was needing me |
| 19:03.23 | HelloShitty | and i had to assist her |
| 19:03.28 | bhuddah | HelloShitty: sorry i cant help any better on that |
| 19:03.32 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 19:03.36 | HelloShitty | thank you |
| 19:03.48 | bhuddah | maybe someone else here can? |
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| 19:06.52 | gen200 | anyone know where can i find the Acpi in the bios ? |
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| 19:07.50 | ompaul | gen200: usually you can't so what is your real question |
| 19:08.33 | gen200 | ompaul: i was having some issues with installation, the onboard scsi controller doesn't detect the disk... |
| 19:08.41 | gen200 | adaptec 7902 |
| 19:09.01 | gen200 | disk detected during the bootup no issues... |
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| 19:09.24 | ompaul | gen200: and then when you start the installer what happens? |
| 19:10.18 | gen200 | ompaul: during detect dks, |
| 19:10.42 | gen200 | ompaul: during detect disk it just fails.. no disk were detected.. tried also manually modprobe .. nothing help |
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| 19:13.36 | bhuddah | ompaul: corrupt cable? |
| 19:13.37 | ompaul | gen200: try this iso and let me know how you get on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso |
| 19:13.47 | bhuddah | oops.. i meant ompaul |
| 19:14.06 | ompaul | bhuddah: na, motherboard would have said someething so it's doing the first bit ok |
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| 19:14.25 | bhuddah | ompaul: so you see the scsi bois coming up and detecting the disc? |
| 19:14.35 | ompaul | bhuddah: not me gen200 did |
| 19:14.40 | gen200 | ompaul: let me make sure the disk too |
| 19:14.41 | bhuddah | arrrr sorry. |
| 19:14.44 | bhuddah | again -.- |
| 19:14.52 | bhuddah | is confused |
| 19:15.09 | ompaul | bhuddah: hehe it's good it happens some days - we should make a cup of tea and wonder about stardust sometimes :) |
| 19:15.16 | gen200 | ompaul: i am gonna try the scsi utilities |
| 19:15.35 | bhuddah | :) |
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| 19:16.29 | musca | bhuddah: adaptec does domain validation, doesn't it? |
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| 19:16.39 | abbastanzabene | ciao |
| 19:16.44 | abbastanzabene | !list |
| 19:16.45 | dpkg | abbastanzabene: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 19:16.58 | musca | italia! |
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| 19:17.08 | bhuddah | musca: i have no idea |
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| 19:21.23 | darkapp | hi how do i change my dns settings? |
| 19:21.58 | darkapp | to make it go through anything other than my isp |
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| 19:23.20 | bhuddah | darkapp: if you use dhcp change it in your router. or edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:24.47 | darkapp | bhuddah: ll i see is |
| 19:24.56 | darkapp | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 19:24.56 | darkapp | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
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| 19:25.16 | grothendieck | change it on your router |
| 19:25.47 | grothendieck | or disable dhcp on your router and use debian box to serve dhcp to your network (assuming you leave debian box on 24/7) |
| 19:25.47 | darkapp | umm idk how, and also i dont have axx on my router since its owned by my parents |
| 19:25.59 | grothendieck | then you are out of luck |
| 19:26.22 | darkapp | well i know theres a way to do it from my computer |
| 19:26.46 | bhuddah | darkapp: you can disable dns update in the dhcp client. then the changes to the config will be persistent |
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| 19:27.17 | darkapp | sry if i sound like a newb but what is dhcp? |
| 19:27.19 | grothendieck | darkapp: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using |
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| 19:27.40 | bhuddah | darkapp: do some searching in google. |
| 19:27.47 | bhuddah | darkapp: you know google, right? ;) |
| 19:28.04 | darkapp | yes lol, but i use duckduckgo |
| 19:28.11 | bhuddah | as you please ;) |
| 19:28.13 | grothendieck | darkapp: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dhcp |
| 19:28.19 | bhuddah | grothendieck: lol |
| 19:28.45 | darkapp | lol |
| 19:29.01 | grothendieck | ;) |
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| 19:29.13 | bhuddah | darkapp: so read up on that and then come back :) |
| 19:29.35 | mtn | darkapp: you can set your dns in networkmanager |
| 19:29.56 | bhuddah | darkapp: and then here http://raamdev.com/2009/configuring-static-dns-with-dhcp-on-debianubuntu/ |
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| 19:36.55 | digdilem | I used to use tsocks to force a non-proxy aware app to go a certain route. However, since dist-upgradeing from wheezy to squeeze, this app (zoneminder, using http libs) bypasses even this. Is there any changes wheezy->squeeze that might have affected http libraries this way? |
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| 20:12.48 | dokma | am I doing something spectacularly stupid when I expect a stick to boot after: dd if=winxp.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M ??? |
| 20:13.17 | dokma | I've already tried two different iso images on two machine and nothing |
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| 20:15.07 | SmashingX | ? |
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| 20:15.54 | mtn | heh |
| 20:16.19 | mtn | dokma: what made you think that would work? |
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| 20:16.57 | mtn | dokma: of course it is off topic here ,but and curious |
| 20:17.04 | mtn | and=am |
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| 20:22.31 | dokma | plenty of docs around the web |
| 20:22.54 | mtn | dokma: maybe a windows channel could help you |
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| 20:29.51 | aristoteles | hi debian ppl, i'm using lxde desktop environment and i'm also using network-manager. i can run nm-applet from a terminal and the network-manager applet appears in the panel. however, i can't seem to figure out how to get it to appear there by default. can anyone advise? |
| 20:30.24 | piko | Hi all, I try to boot debian via NFS but I amgetting strange messages "rpcbind:cannot get local address for udp:Servname not supported for ai_socktype". I googled around and found out that a similar problem was seen around 2010 when IANA renamed port for rpcbind to portmap but the hints did not help. Anyone seen this? |
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| 20:31.42 | abrotman | aristoteles: add it to your started apps? |
| 20:32.04 | aristoteles | abrotman, can you be more specific. that sounds exactly like what i want to do. not sure where to do it. |
| 20:32.30 | zinx | aristoteles: sounds like you're missing a session manager |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | i think it's in preferences |
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| 20:33.51 | aristoteles | zinx, i think you're right. i'm generally having this issue. i want to add a battery applet to the panel as well but when i do the seemingly intuitive thing of clicking on the panel and clicking 'add things to panel' i don't see network-manager applet in the list of possible things to add. this is despite the fact that it *is* installed and working (as evidenced by the fact that running nm-applet & in a terminal forces it to a |
| 20:34.13 | aristoteles | abrotman, i look in the lxde menu and i see preferences but don't see what i'm supposed to do to follow your advice. |
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| 20:36.46 | piko | No ideas? |
| 20:37.14 | aristoteles | zinx, any suggestion on what 'session-manager' to install? |
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| 20:39.43 | mengxuan | I want to see what params are used in a deb package build, how should i find the arguments passed in configure in a deb source pacakge? |
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| 20:41.50 | babilen | mengxuan: check debian/rules in the source package |
| 20:41.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell mengxuan about source package |
| 20:42.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell mengxuan about debian/rules |
| 20:42.48 | babilen | mengxuan: Use debcheckout or "apt-get source" or dget from the packages.debian.org to get hold of it |
| 20:43.05 | mengxuan | babilen: thanks! very helpful |
| 20:43.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell mengxuan -about package recompile |
| 20:43.47 | babilen | mengxuan: In case you want to recompile it -- If you do that also take a look at apt-src which simplifies the process of maintaining local packages like this. |
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| 20:44.57 | mengxuan | babilen: thank you :D |
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| 20:48.13 | bouble | 'soir |
| 20:48.50 | ompaul | !fr |
| 20:48.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 20:49.02 | ompaul | good evening :) |
| 20:49.08 | bouble | question bête : on se débrouille comment pour matter une vidéo dailymotion sur iceweasel ? |
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| 20:49.25 | ompaul | no, in english please |
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| 20:50.05 | bouble | oh i'm sorry |
| 20:50.19 | ompaul | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. In this channel we use English. |
| 20:50.26 | bouble | i thought i was on french chan ^^ |
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| 20:53.58 | ompaul | bouble: what was your question |
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| 20:56.58 | bouble | how do i watch flash video with iceweasel ? I use squeeze |
| 20:57.15 | bouble | and flashplugin doesn't work |
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| 20:57.32 | Utility | bouble: install flashplugin-nonfree. It's in non-free and contrib |
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| 21:00.03 | bouble | ha ok thx |
| 21:00.04 | lautriv | bouble, i hope you have x86_64 ? |
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| 21:00.14 | bouble | yes lautriv |
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| 21:25.33 | FungiFox | wants to destroy his broadcom wireless adapter. |
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| 21:37.10 | jhutchins | FungiFox: Do you plan to use overvoltage or a hammer? |
| 21:37.43 | FungiFox | hammer is too simple, over voltage isn't spectacular enough. |
| 21:38.47 | jhutchins | FungiFox: Well, plastic explosives then! |
| 21:38.55 | jhutchins | !bcm |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 21:39.09 | FungiFox | my last laptop worked awesome with debian, this one seems nothing works right. |
| 21:39.23 | FungiFox | which i guess is good, im learning alot more having things not work. |
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| 21:51.34 | SubjectOne | anybody here who know a usb-wifi N stick that works out of the box onto debian 7.1 without compiling stuff ??? |
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| 21:52.11 | SubjectOne | my hp mini 110 wifi gives me headages |
| 21:52.25 | SubjectOne | + ists only a G |
| 21:53.28 | babilen | SubjectOne: Get one with an atheros chipset -- most of them work quite fine. The main problem is that it is actually not that easy to get sensible information about which chipset is being used by the manufacturers .. but then there are plenty of hardware compatibility lists and whatnot on the net. |
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| 21:53.52 | SubjectOne | ah thanks |
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| 21:54.09 | SubjectOne | i'll have a look , thanks for putting me on the right track |
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| 21:55.30 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#USB_Devices might help (not sure how up-to-date it is though, I wouldn't recommend ralink or most realtek, the latters are better though. both require firmware |
| 21:55.37 | babilen | ) |
| 21:55.47 | pablo | hello guys, in order for a package to migrate from sid to testing, does it needs to be correclt compiled on all platforms or can it fail on one? |
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| 21:56.04 | pablo | s/correclt/correctly/ |
| 21:57.20 | cstdio | pablo: you may want to try #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 21:58.02 | babilen | pablo: FTBFS bugs would prevent migration, yes -- and all platforms are created equal. |
| 21:58.15 | babilen | pablo: But yeah, take it to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | SubjectOne, "anyone", I guess. as far as I remember I haven't had problems plugging one in yet... (although that has been a very limited amount)... onboard wifi on the other hand often seemed to not have been detected at all YAMMV |
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| 22:16.09 | wondiws | where's "libapache2-svn" in sid gone? |
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| 22:21.00 | ZIPY | hi, how can i start something from shell "in background" so i can still use the shell without creating a new window |
| 22:21.30 | ctmjr | ZIPY: screen |
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| 22:21.58 | ZIPY | ctmjr: ye i use tmux but i dont want to create a new window |
| 22:22.03 | abyxcos | Getting an error from grub2-efi "couldn't terminate efi services." Anyone know what's up with that? Not getting much off google. |
| 22:22.15 | abyxcos | ZIPY: commandname & |
| 22:22.42 | abyxcos | ZIPY: The ampersand will cause it to start in the background, but if it outputs text, you'll still see that. |
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| 22:23.07 | abyxcos | ZIPY: Also, ctrl-z, then typing 'bg' or 'fg' will pause a task, and send it to the background or foreground respectively. |
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| 22:23.26 | ZIPY | ok abyxcos, thank you it worked |
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| 22:30.27 | devios | i had a vsftpd install on last version of debian with system users and virtual users managed with pam pwdfile. I upgraded to debian wheezy and vsftpd doesn't work anymore. i see entries in /var/log/auth when i try to connect, but ftp clients hang at "connecting" and time out. what about the debian upgrade would break a working vsftpd? i noted that the upgrade tried to overwrite vsftpd.conf, but I kept my version. |
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| 22:38.25 | abyxcos | Apparently booting the right efi-booter-thing causes that error to go away... |
| 22:38.32 | abyxcos | Whodathunk. |
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| 22:45.01 | alexis_ | hello |
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| 23:27.38 | ZIPY | hey, i had to add load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0 to my /etc/pulse/default.pa to fix my scratchy sound.. my sound is fine now but somehow pulseaudio istn running anymore. even when i look in audiomanager, there is no hardware listet anymore. when i try to start pulseaudio --start, it says E: main.c: daemon startup failed. |
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