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| 00:01.01 | phunyguy | I wonder if it is because I am using the (unofficial) firmware ISO. |
| 00:01.10 | phunyguy | :( |
| 00:01.18 | volko | dondelelcaro: ty, I think the pre-inst/post-inst is our best bet |
| 00:01.22 | Brigo | try the other one and see. |
| 00:02.03 | Brigo | phunyguy: may be the unofficial not support mac ... |
| 00:02.12 | phunyguy | yeah that's what I am thinking |
| 00:02.18 | phunyguy | I will give that a go. Thanks |
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| 00:04.57 | themill | dondelelcaro: apt holds the dpkg lock when doing things too |
| 00:05.21 | themill | "fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock" while doing aptitude update. |
| 00:06.02 | dondelelcaro | huh; that's interesting |
| 00:06.15 | dondelelcaro | probably needs to keep dpkg from being invoked while doing dependency resolution |
| 00:06.58 | themill | Yeah, but it's not supposed to be doing dependency resolution while doing an "update". |
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| 00:07.31 | themill | ahh... apt-get doesn't hold the lock, only aptitude. |
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| 00:12.51 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok; that makes more sense |
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| 00:14.36 | justaguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.31 | Th0masR0ss | Hi, After upgrading from wheezy->jessie on a VM, there are two different kernels in GRUB. |
| 00:18.40 | Th0masR0ss | one of them is newer |
| 00:19.03 | Th0masR0ss | Is this supposed to happen or should I remove one of them (if so, how)? |
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| 00:21.44 | gnarface | Th0masR0ss: that is expected when doing any upgrades that include new kernels (not just upgrading to a whole new debian version) ; old kernels are never deleted automatically. |
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| 00:22.22 | gnarface | Th0masR0ss: by default though grub *should* be automatically booting with the newest one unless you tell it otherwise |
| 00:22.27 | Th0masR0ss | gnarface: ok, should I use a specific kernel in GRUB or remove one in GRUB (as i said, if so, how?)? |
| 00:22.47 | gnarface | Th0masR0ss: use the newest one. leave the old one in place for emergencies. |
| 00:22.55 | Th0masR0ss | ok. |
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| 00:23.13 | gnarface | it should still be bootable if you hose this one somehow |
| 00:23.18 | gnarface | they come in handy |
| 00:23.18 | Th0masR0ss | gnarface: what if I do three upgrades and I have three kernels, then what? |
| 00:23.38 | themill | Th0masR0ss: the oldest one will actually be marked for autoremoval |
| 00:23.38 | Th0masR0ss | just leave them all? |
| 00:23.42 | Th0masR0ss | really? |
| 00:23.44 | Th0masR0ss | cool. |
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| 00:23.51 | gnarface | Th0masR0ss: you're not low on disk space are you? the only danger is if you have too small of a separate /boot partition |
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| 00:24.03 | Th0masR0ss | nah, I'm fine. I was just wondering |
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| 00:24.18 | gnarface | Th0masR0ss: i've got like, a dozen kernels installed on this box. some of them are from the redhat install that i installed over, 5 harddrives ago |
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| 00:24.34 | Th0masR0ss | gnarface: hahaha |
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| 00:25.27 | gnarface | seriously there is very little value in deleting them unless you're short on disk space |
| 00:25.34 | Th0masR0ss | yeah, ok. |
| 00:25.48 | themill | (Except that all disks are always 95% full) |
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| 00:26.43 | shazbotmcnasty | heya do you guys have a spanish channel? |
| 00:26.49 | gnarface | hmm. yea there is |
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| 00:26.52 | gnarface | !es |
| 00:26.53 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 00:26.53 | themill | !es |
| 00:26.57 | shazbotmcnasty | aye thank you |
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| 00:40.53 | paulivanov | hey gang, got a bit of a newb question: I'm running sid, and the currently packaged npm does not work with the nodejs |
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| 00:41.12 | paulivanov | would this be considered a bug (bugreport tells me that a newer version of npm is available in experimental) |
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| 00:42.19 | gnarface | considers nodejs a bug |
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| 00:43.57 | ctmjr | paulivanov: this channel is for debian stable so doubt you will get an answer, you can try debian-next on OFTC |
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| 00:45.48 | paulivanov | thanks ctmjr, i'll try over there |
| 00:46.33 | ctmjr | paulivanov: your welcome |
| 00:46.34 | J-Tizzle | i've installed wheezy on a new system. no error messages. grub-efi installed, however, when rebooting i am prompted to select the proper boot device. i'm not sure how to troubleshoot this. i'm new to uefi (though i turned ff secure boot in the bios). |
| 00:46.59 | J-Tizzle | i've changed the bios to boot from the hard drive first but the bios doesn't seem to find a bootable system on it. |
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| 01:07.08 | phunyguy | Brigo: if you are still around, I did the manual process for the firmware, and it still hung. |
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| 01:08.44 | phunyguy | in case anyone else wants to help... I am trying to install Wheezy on a mac air, 4,2 (I think) |
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| 01:14.09 | gnarface | phunguy: i can't help you with that but if you succeed i'd love to hear about it |
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| 01:28.57 | phunyguy | This is really frustrating |
| 01:29.00 | phunyguy | :( |
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| 01:30.42 | gnarface | phunguy: i realize its hard now because you're between a rock and hard place |
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| 01:31.33 | gnarface | phunguy: in the future when you're in more control over the direction of the projects you're participating in though, you'll remember this as a good example of why not to let critical systems infrastructure rely on experimental software projects that aren't proven in the wild |
| 01:32.13 | phunyguy | not sure I follow, gnarface |
| 01:32.16 | gnarface | phunguy: "doesn't work out of the box in debian stable" should be your #1 warning sign that its not ready for prime time, and the hype is all hype |
| 01:32.33 | phunyguy | hey, it's not their fault I am installing on a MAC. |
| 01:32.56 | phunyguy | with crummy brcm hardware. |
| 01:33.14 | phunyguy | I may have to go squeeze -> Wheezy on this one |
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| 01:33.27 | gnarface | i doubt its the mac's fault honestly. i've had a lot of trouble with nodejs myself. dependency tracking and distro/platform compatibility issues are usually the last things to be shed from an open-source project as it reaches maturity |
| 01:34.14 | phunyguy | gnarface: I hear ya, but probably not the best place to discuss it. There is an offtoppic channel for that. I am here to try and figure out how to fix it, not be told to avoid it. |
| 01:34.16 | gnarface | nodejs may get there one day but like, ruby, its held back by ... reasons. :-/ (most of them internal to the project and inherent to its maintainers) |
| 01:34.31 | gnarface | phunguy: you're gonna have to backport ALL of it. |
| 01:34.42 | phunyguy | gnarface: all of what? |
| 01:34.43 | gnarface | phunguy: and the dependencies |
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| 01:35.14 | gnarface | phunguy: oh sorry, i got your name confused with someone else |
| 01:35.54 | phunyguy | lol.. |
| 01:35.57 | phunyguy | I was gonna say.... |
| 01:36.07 | phunyguy | "the heck is this guy talking about!" |
| 01:36.08 | gnarface | phunguy: macbook air... did you try the debian stable installer first? |
| 01:36.28 | phunyguy | gnarface: yes, as well as the "unofficial" one with all the firmware |
| 01:36.44 | phunyguy | using that or loading the firmware manually hangs the install once the firmware gets loaded |
| 01:36.46 | gnarface | phunguy: generally with macs, i've had the best luck installing from stable then upgrading to testing, then unstable iteratively to fix all the missing hardware compatibility |
| 01:37.16 | gnarface | and when you say "hangs" ... how long did you wait, exactly? |
| 01:37.24 | phunyguy | gnarface: yeah the problem is, when installing and it detects network, it works perfect. Problem is, I can't get it to detect it again. |
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| 01:37.36 | gnarface | hrm |
| 01:37.36 | phunyguy | gnarface: at least a half hour... and it doesn't respond anymore |
| 01:37.41 | phunyguy | no keystrokes |
| 01:37.42 | gnarface | maybe its your installation package |
| 01:37.47 | phunyguy | tried two different ones. |
| 01:37.56 | gnarface | i mean, did you install "desktop system" ? |
| 01:38.06 | gnarface | maybe you're having complications with network-manager (its an enduring p.i.t.a.) |
| 01:38.11 | phunyguy | I tried Desktop, then drilling down to KDE desktop |
| 01:38.36 | phunyguy | just completely miffed by it |
| 01:38.42 | gnarface | i would try if i were you, selecting nothing |
| 01:38.45 | gnarface | nothing at all |
| 01:38.46 | phunyguy | did.. :( |
| 01:38.49 | gnarface | just do a base install |
| 01:38.51 | gnarface | no window manager |
| 01:38.52 | phunyguy | but I can't get to the part to not install desktop |
| 01:38.54 | gnarface | then test network |
| 01:39.00 | phunyguy | I. cant. get. to. that. part. |
| 01:39.02 | gnarface | you gotta install in expert mode |
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| 01:39.07 | phunyguy | ugh... |
| 01:39.11 | phunyguy | may need help with that |
| 01:39.22 | phunyguy | and once there, I would have to go all command line on wireless... |
| 01:39.28 | phunyguy | not my idea of fun. |
| 01:39.38 | gnarface | select "expert install" or whatever from the very beginning, and when you get to the tasksel stage, just don't check any boxes (it doesn't say so, but selecting nothing at all is a valid option) |
| 01:39.54 | gnarface | that will leave you with a system you can install things to manually |
| 01:39.58 | phunyguy | WAIT |
| 01:39.58 | gnarface | that is capable of little other than networking |
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| 01:40.03 | phunyguy | I have a USB wifi card. |
| 01:40.09 | phunyguy | =D |
| 01:40.12 | phunyguy | brb |
| 01:40.22 | gnarface | or try another network device... |
| 01:40.24 | gnarface | whatever |
| 01:40.25 | gnarface | good luck |
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| 01:55.56 | phunyguy | Argh... I can't get it to ignore the mac wifi adapter. |
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| 01:56.05 | phunyguy | it still whines about firmware... |
| 01:56.15 | phunyguy | and never prompts for the other wifi adapter's firmware. |
| 01:57.11 | failmastah | guys, what should i do facing an old bug with luks auth when i can't enter password without ps/2 keyboard |
| 01:57.25 | gnarface | failmastah: i think that is a feature |
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| 01:57.54 | gnarface | failmastah: ps2 extension cable 6$? |
| 01:57.56 | failmastah | gnarface, how can i use this feature later, because i can't get into fresh instance |
| 01:58.02 | failmastah | and shops with cables are closed |
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| 01:58.32 | phunyguy | This other USB dongle should be OK.. it is a realtek RTL8188SU |
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| 01:58.45 | failmastah | lol seriously |
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| 01:58.49 | gnarface | phunguy: you don't have network-manager installed, or do? |
| 01:58.58 | phunyguy | gnarface: I have nothing installed. |
| 01:59.02 | phunyguy | it is the debian netinst |
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| 01:59.33 | gnarface | phunguy: oh, uh.... hrm. |
| 01:59.59 | babilen | phunyguy: The installer will ask for firmware even if you use the netinst image with firmware. Just continue. |
| 02:00.00 | dvs | phunguy: if it's a netinst, how did you get the packages on the machine? |
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| 02:00.22 | gnarface | phunguy: i got nothing, i think what i'd try to do is alt-f4 and try to repair networking manually from the console, then just skip over that step and complete the install so on the following boot i could just use /etc/network/interfaces to control which ethernet device it uses, and ignore the firmware error |
| 02:00.23 | phunyguy | dvs, I don't follow your question |
| 02:00.54 | phunyguy | it is the netinst ISO dd'd to USB |
| 02:00.55 | dvs | phunyguy: do you have a working network connection for your install? |
| 02:01.03 | phunyguy | dvs, it is a mac air, no ethernet port. |
| 02:01.06 | phunyguy | wifi only. |
| 02:01.15 | phunyguy | ...running out of options here. |
| 02:01.27 | dvs | phunguy: and you used the firmware iso? |
| 02:01.37 | failmastah | that's just awesome, 2 years old bug on fresh instance, is it critical when i can't get into brand new fresh instance after setup rebooted the box? |
| 02:01.40 | phunyguy | dvs, yes, as well as the firmware process manually |
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| 02:01.52 | phunyguy | either one hangs it as soon as the firmware gets loaded |
| 02:01.58 | phunyguy | hard lock. |
| 02:02.17 | dvs | would still use the firmware iso instead. |
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| 02:03.22 | phunyguy | yes, but it doesn't work. |
| 02:03.46 | phunyguy | going to try to unload the mac wifi module before it loads the wifi firmware |
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| 02:05.28 | failmastah | guys, seriously, i won't get into fresh instance without ps/2 keyboard? |
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| 02:06.58 | failmastah | should i run ubuntu on the server? please, don't tell me i should |
| 02:07.10 | j4jackj | failmastah: you should NEVER run ubuntu. |
| 02:07.32 | j4jackj | I would also recommend not running Debian at my house, because i'm baanned from their offtopics. |
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| 02:07.47 | failmastah | j4jackj, but how can i get into luks / instance without ps/2? |
| 02:07.53 | phunyguy | well that's not gonna work.. |
| 02:08.06 | failmastah | that old bug when u can't enter the password with usb keyboard |
| 02:08.14 | phunyguy | j4jackj: that was a useful answer... |
| 02:08.25 | phunyguy | </sarcasm> |
| 02:08.54 | j4jackj | failmastah: recompile the kernel to include usb HID support in the kernel. GIYF here, because I can't answer directly. |
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| 02:09.35 | babilen | phunyguy: How exactly doesn't the firmware image work? |
| 02:09.47 | phunyguy | babilen: it hangs as soon as firmware is loaded. |
| 02:09.55 | phunyguy | and I mean AS SOON. |
| 02:10.08 | phunyguy | I switched to the tty that logs output, and watched it happen. |
| 02:10.11 | failmastah | j4jackj, so what are my steps, when i'm sitting in front of the "dead" keyboard |
| 02:10.14 | babilen | phunyguy: I thought that happens with the other image when you load the firmare manually? |
| 02:10.23 | babilen | j4jackj: Drop it. |
| 02:10.25 | phunyguy | babilen: both. |
| 02:10.31 | phunyguy | same exact issue. |
| 02:11.03 | j4jackj | babilen: never said anything i had to drop, did i? |
| 02:11.08 | babilen | phunyguy: Ah, alright. Does the squeeze installer work? |
| 02:11.22 | phunyguy | That was going to me my next step I think. |
| 02:11.26 | j4jackj | If you don't need to encrypt, all is fine |
| 02:12.01 | failmastah | guys, how the hell you allowed debian having bug that fixed on ubuntu |
| 02:12.04 | failmastah | in stable |
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| 02:12.10 | babilen | j4jackj: You hopefully know well enough which statement(s) of yours in the last few hours I am referring to. I simply ask you to stop that. |
| 02:12.19 | j4jackj | There should be a bot that relays stuff from #debian@OFTC into here. |
| 02:13.01 | j4jackj | babilen: no i don't. i hhave a 2 hour memory at most, and anything long term is either forgotten or I have to look thru the logs. |
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| 02:13.21 | rryoumaa | question about cryptsetup. some people like to put the key file for partition b in an encrypted partition a so that they don't have to enter hte password twice. but doesn't this mean that that key file can be just stolen by an online attacker? |
| 02:13.24 | babilen | failmastah: I don't follow, but if you mean to imply that it is some kind of conspiracy theory then you are wrong. And if you believe that people in here have *any* idea what you are talking about too. You really have to provide more background if you want us to help you. |
| 02:13.53 | failmastah | rryoumaa, nope because that supposed to be ssh |
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| 02:14.11 | failmastah | babilen, wat? |
| 02:14.24 | rryoumaa | failmastah: i don't get how ssh is relevant |
| 02:14.25 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, so I'm wondering how exactly I should install my drivers for my network card without internet |
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| 02:14.36 | Scriptonaut | the drivers have a massive number of dependencies |
| 02:14.56 | Scriptonaut | I can download them on another computer, but I don't think I could realistically install all of them |
| 02:15.21 | phunyguy | that guy is being really obnoxious. |
| 02:15.22 | failmastah | rryoumaa, how network involved in the scheme you described? same about online attacker |
| 02:15.25 | Scriptonaut | is there some program that will download all the dependencies of a certain library? |
| 02:15.56 | failmastah | rryoumaa, in case someone gained access to your root fs it's not an online attacker anymore |
| 02:16.25 | failmastah | rryoumaa, sorry for ssh, somehow i was thinking about cryptsetup auth via ssh |
| 02:16.43 | phunyguy | Scriptonaut: something like this may work. I know it is for Ubuntu, but it was the first hit on google. http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/get-list-of-packages-and-dependencies.html |
| 02:16.52 | rryoumaa | failmastah: you're saying that anybody with taht access has the keys to your kingdom anyway so it's ok that they have keyfile to one of your partitions also? |
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| 02:17.08 | rryoumaa | i.e. no additional security risk? |
| 02:17.57 | failmastah | rryoumaa, in context of situation when "someone" has access to your root file system with rights enough to read the key it's not a risk anymore |
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| 02:18.48 | Scriptonaut | looks promising, thanks phunyguy |
| 02:18.55 | phunyguy | Scriptonaut: np. |
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| 02:32.27 | phunyguy | OK So I tried the Squeeze installer, babilen, that one doesn't detect any network hardware at all. Neither adapter. |
| 02:32.34 | babilen | yay |
| 02:32.34 | phunyguy | is losing hope. |
| 02:33.03 | phunyguy | something's gotta give. |
| 02:34.11 | gnarface | phunguy: maybe you can boot the thing with a live img on usb and install to the harddrive via chroot? |
| 02:34.22 | gnarface | phunguy: debootstrap into chroot, i mean? |
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| 02:37.25 | weby | is this tech support? |
| 02:38.08 | dvs | weby: we must put you on hold for 3 hours first. |
| 02:38.34 | weby | dam |
| 02:39.30 | phunyguy | gnarface: I would have check if that is possible. Do you know where some docs are for that? |
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| 02:42.24 | phunyguy | wait, I can install from a live image? What the heck am I doing a regular install for?? =D |
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| 02:44.12 | weby | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.49 | dvs | weby: people hate it when you use both freenode and oftc at the same time. |
| 02:45.28 | weby | sorry i thought it was different people |
| 02:45.33 | babilen | yeah, please don't cross-post. keep it here fwiw |
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| 02:50.20 | gnarface | phunguy: uh... man debootstrap? just google for debootstrap install into chroot. its not hard |
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| 02:52.31 | phunyguy | thanks, gnarface |
| 02:52.37 | phunyguy | I appreciate the help. |
| 02:52.43 | phunyguy | :) |
| 02:53.02 | phunyguy | (in case it is misunderstood, that was not sarcasm at all) |
| 02:53.10 | phunyguy | (neither was that) |
| 02:53.45 | james41382 | I like to sit on both servers in #debian, but I usually ask questions here because it is logical that one is more likely to get help from 1 out of 1200 rather than 1 out of 500. |
| 02:54.15 | phunyguy | i didn't even know there was /another/ debian irc channel |
| 02:54.23 | phunyguy | channel/server |
| 02:54.44 | james41382 | there's the debian network irc.debian.org and there's this network. |
| 02:54.55 | phunyguy | ok. |
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| 02:55.52 | james41382 | but when i was having a problem with gnome 3 a while back i found help in #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org when i could find help else where. =] |
| 02:56.02 | james41382 | couldn't* |
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| 03:11.23 | jwilliams1 | anyone knows the channel id for r in debian? |
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| 03:11.49 | setuid | Where on Debian does it store which packages were installed? |
| 03:12.14 | spo0nman | setuid: dpkg -l |
| 03:12.24 | setuid | spo0nman, Can't run that, it's a dead system |
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| 03:12.31 | setuid | I have a backup of the filesystem on a NAS |
| 03:12.48 | jwilliams1 | /var/cache/apt/archives/ stores deb files |
| 03:13.14 | spo0nman | setuid: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 03:14.06 | setuid | jwilliams1, I regularly clean that out, so that's always empty. |
| 03:14.09 | setuid | spo0nman, checking... |
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| 03:14.58 | setuid | Ok, 1,872 packages. Let's see if I can pull these into a cleanly installed system |
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| 03:17.38 | spo0nman | setuid: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 03:21.44 | phunyguy | not entirely sure what to do here. I loaded up the debian live KDE iso on USB, got booted up into it, and have a desktop, however I don't see any wireless networks. |
| 03:22.10 | phunyguy | will I be able to install to the disk without network with the live image? |
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| 03:22.43 | phunyguy | actually.. hold that though. |
| 03:22.45 | phunyguy | thoguht* |
| 03:22.50 | phunyguy | ahh ferget it. :) |
| 03:23.22 | babilen | phunyguy: Sure, the CD1 DVD1, .. images all contain the packages needed to finish the "Desktop" installation without downloading anything from the internet. |
| 03:23.33 | babilen | not sure about the live cd |
| 03:24.03 | phunyguy | ahh ok. My train of thought is... get it installed, deploy firmware, then restart, and cross my fingers. |
| 03:24.10 | phunyguy | :( |
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| 03:30.24 | phunyguy | AHH dangit. EFI system, and the livecd won't support it. |
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| 03:30.41 | phunyguy | Last ditch effort... full DVD1 install. |
| 03:30.48 | phunyguy | then I go to bed if no go. |
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| 03:37.24 | babilen | phunyguy: yeah, install the system first and then figure out the network |
| 03:38.21 | phunyguy | so frustrating. (Coming from Ubuntu... and even Arch was easier than this... ;) ) |
| 03:38.35 | phunyguy | this laptop is Arch actually. |
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| 03:45.02 | jelly-home | failmastah: if your usb keyboard does not work at that point, it's a bug. However the only workaround I know of to actually go further with boot is, in fact, connecting a keyboard that works |
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| 03:46.21 | swook | Hello, how quickly do kernel packages in Sid update? I notice it's on 3.10.1 while stable is 3.10.5 on kernel.org. |
| 03:47.51 | babilen | *the horror* |
| 03:47.58 | failmastah | jelly-home, it's ok i will deal with it, but it's not easy due to how everything works around here hah, the strange thing is that it was working during setup process |
| 03:48.05 | themill | ,kernels --release sid |
| 03:48.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.3-1) |
| 03:48.13 | themill | swook: ^^ 3.10.3 not 3.10.1 |
| 03:48.18 | swook | ah sorry |
| 03:48.40 | themill | swook: the kernel team would probably like a 3.10 kernel to actually migrate to testing at some stage too |
| 03:48.59 | swook | ah, so there'd be a short period where there are no updates? |
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| 03:52.17 | jelly-home | failmastah: that's because the installer has a different way of loading kernel modules than the generated initrd (the latter is what's buggy in this case, failing to contain and load usbhid modules) |
| 03:52.55 | failmastah | jelly-home, i know since 2010 |
| 03:52.59 | failmastah | seriously |
| 03:53.01 | themill | no |
| 03:53.10 | failmastah | themill, very yes |
| 03:53.17 | themill | *sigh* |
| 03:53.25 | failmastah | *facepalm* |
| 03:53.25 | jelly-home | failmastah: not really, I've seen this with 3.2-3.6 only |
| 03:53.36 | failmastah | #600356 |
| 03:53.39 | themill | failmastah: the same symptom does not mean it's the same bug |
| 03:53.53 | themill | but I've already told you that and you would rather rant about 2010 than actually fix your problem |
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| 03:54.07 | failmastah | themill, ok, so what are my steps? |
| 03:54.13 | failmastah | if it's not the same thing |
| 03:54.20 | themill | try answering the questions you've been asked for starters |
| 03:54.34 | failmastah | which questions? |
| 03:54.39 | jelly-home | failmastah: fixed in 3.9 in testing. Anyway, forcing usbhid (and the specific module for your keyboard, if there is one like for my hid_lenovo_tpkbd) into initramfs might be a workaround |
| 03:54.49 | failmastah | it is |
| 03:55.00 | failmastah | but the sad fact is it's not easy |
| 03:55.06 | failmastah | that's why im so annoying |
| 03:55.18 | themill | failmastah: the fact that you are pursuing this in two different channels at the same time isn't helping. Perhaps stick to this one. [13:46] <themill> Is this the first reboot after installing? |
| 03:55.20 | failmastah | not easy because of how... things stand and work here |
| 03:56.04 | jelly-home | funny thing is, being annoying in here won't help fix the bug in stable at all |
| 03:56.13 | failmastah | sorry for that |
| 03:57.07 | themill | failmastah: can you boot off a live image? |
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| 03:57.31 | failmastah | themill, i'm not sure because i'm facing a bug with installer |
| 03:57.51 | themill | the installation should be complete at this stage |
| 03:57.54 | failmastah | themill, can i? if i should manually mount the /cdrom |
| 03:58.05 | failmastah | i'm not sure, seriously |
| 03:58.09 | failmastah | never seen live |
| 03:58.34 | themill | jelly-home: does telling BIOS to provide legacy usb device support help or will the kernel have reinitialised the usb stack by the time we get to entering the passphrase |
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| 03:59.33 | jelly-home | themill: I have that enabled the whole time (so, no) |
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| 03:59.54 | themill | yeah, thought so. I avoid learning about early boot as much as possible as it makes me come out in hives |
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| 04:01.08 | failmastah | themill, legacy usb support should be enabled, right? |
| 04:01.49 | failmastah | just checking it all around |
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| 04:02.00 | themill | failmastah: as jelly-home suggested, it's unlikely to make any difference here. If you can pop a live image on a USB stick or cd then that might be what you need. |
| 04:02.05 | jelly-home | failmastah: that's probably only important for grub |
| 04:02.19 | failmastah | i'll try to turn it off :/ |
| 04:02.34 | failmastah | themill, the problem is that i'm facing some kind of bug with installer |
| 04:02.36 | themill | the debian-live rescue image probably has all the tools on it you need (or use grml and install the extra bits as needed) |
| 04:02.56 | themill | no, you've got a problem with your initramfs |
| 04:02.58 | failmastah | the dvd1 is on external usb hdd |
| 04:03.07 | failmastah | true story about live mode (c) |
| 04:03.15 | failmastah | so when i boot up with it |
| 04:03.29 | failmastah | and during setup process |
| 04:04.07 | failmastah | it fails to mount the correct device, e.g. sdc1 is not the correct media, it's an empty usb stick, while sdd1 is the correct one and even has appropriate label |
| 04:04.19 | failmastah | so i have to mount sdd1 manually during setup |
| 04:04.27 | failmastah | i'm not familiar with "live" stuff |
| 04:04.32 | red-fireswirl | failmastah: aren't you meant to use uuids? |
| 04:04.46 | failmastah | red-fireswirl, it doesn't matter |
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| 04:04.56 | jelly-home | j4jackj: at d-i time? |
| 04:05.05 | failmastah | because i still mount it manually from-under setup environment |
| 04:05.05 | j4jackj | no, in the fstab |
| 04:05.24 | failmastah | j4jackj, fstab on dvd1? |
| 04:05.26 | failmastah | or wtf |
| 04:05.31 | jelly-home | j4jackj: there is no fstab at that point |
| 04:05.39 | j4jackj | is dvd1 meant to be a HDD? |
| 04:05.41 | failmastah | so the problem is that i don't know really if live mode will work |
| 04:05.54 | failmastah | j4jackj, in terms of installation source - yes |
| 04:06.03 | j4jackj | oh... |
| 04:06.03 | themill | you could have tried it in the time you've spent hypothesising about it |
| 04:06.25 | failmastah | themill, i got another things to do also |
| 04:06.34 | jelly-home | themill: maybe he has an ibm blade that takes 10 minutes to POST |
| 04:06.44 | failmastah | so i was just distracting for hypothesising |
| 04:07.17 | failmastah | it's not ibm blade, nothing like that, my ibm blade runs fine without luks |
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| 04:09.07 | james41382 | Anyone up for looking at this error and lending their thoughts on it? -> http://pastebin.com/CSj0zD1A |
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| 04:10.13 | failmastah | james41382, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=88347 is it the case? |
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| 04:12.57 | failmastah | another hypothetically sad fact is that the only ps/2 keyboard i was able to find in the building is made by microsoft it's wireless and batteries are dead |
| 04:13.36 | j4jackj | failmastah: recharge the batteries. ms make good hardware that is almost designed for linux. |
| 04:13.43 | james41382 | failmastah: I was just looking at that, but it is not the case. This error is specific to the application I am trying to open I believe. I am trying to open the hplip application with elevated privaledges. When I installed the printer for use with the HP software I had to run the setup elevated privileges in order to get it working. Now it's working fine, but I am not able to set the printer as default via the application in the sy |
| 04:13.43 | james41382 | stray as my sudoer user, but when I gksudo hplip I get that error. |
| 04:14.17 | james41382 | I am using a Wireless Microsoft keyboard right now!! |
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| 04:15.21 | failmastah | j4jackj, it's useless, 2 duracells i was trying to charge it with some varta device for this purpose and they not designed to be charged, however i'm not sure the device works because i don't have tester and i was trying to punch batteries with no luck |
| 04:15.51 | j4jackj | failmastah: use new bateries |
| 04:16.01 | james41382 | I tried Redhat 15 years ago as a teenager and ran it for about 2 years. I must say now that I'm getting back into Linux I am surprised by how well the OS works out of the box. |
| 04:16.53 | failmastah | nah, i'm going to end this circus and rebuild initramfs at any cost, but... it's really really sad |
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| 04:18.32 | failmastah | themill, jelly-home thank you guys for paying attention |
| 04:18.38 | failmastah | many thanks! |
| 04:19.13 | themill | failmastah: so yeah, boot of a live image, open your luks /, add more modules to the initramfs generation config and get it to rebuild the initramfs. Rinse, lather, repeat. |
| 04:19.41 | failmastah | yeah i'm familiar with procedure |
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| 04:40.07 | phunyguy | SUCCESS!! |
| 04:40.11 | phunyguy | DVD1 worked. |
| 04:40.29 | phunyguy | got installed, dumped firmware in /lib/firmware, rebooted, and BAM! WiKi. |
| 04:40.34 | phunyguy | WiFi* |
| 04:40.45 | phunyguy | ..finally. |
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| 04:41.45 | jpinx | in wheezy using arandr to configure dual screens, is there a way to choose where applications are launched? |
| 04:43.29 | jelly-home | jpinx: that depends on the window manager and the app. Using devilspie is an option if your wm does not already have provisions of its own. |
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| 04:46.11 | jpinx | jelly-home: busybox and lxde |
| 04:46.36 | jelly-home | busybox... is not a wm ;-) |
| 04:46.46 | jelly-home | some other box? |
| 04:46.51 | jpinx | jelly-home: globally things are launched in the external vga -- very annoying |
| 04:47.17 | jpinx | openbox -- sorry |
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| 04:48.03 | jelly-home | jpinx: what does "xrandr" say? |
| 04:49.14 | jpinx | LVDS1 connected 1024x600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 195mm x 113mm |
| 04:49.33 | jpinx | 1024x600 60.0*+ 65.0 |
| 04:49.54 | jpinx | VGA1 connected 800x600+1024+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 04:50.16 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.43 | jelly-home | my my, what small screens you have! |
| 04:50.53 | anonymuouss | How do include utilities into the initramfs? i know i have done it before, i must ave ben smarter then |
| 04:51.05 | jpinx | jelly-home: :p |
| 04:51.19 | jpinx | jelly-home: it start with the line -- Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1824 x 600, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 04:51.47 | jelly-home | jpinx: I guess openbox is either completely clueless about multiple screens, or merely does things wrong. So use devilspie. |
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| 04:52.02 | jelly-home | or ask the openbox people |
| 04:52.08 | anonymuouss | i know how to add scripts, and hooks(to some extent) but i am forgetting this part. i have copid in big utilities and files before |
| 04:52.09 | jpinx | jelly-home: exploring openbox configs now |
| 04:52.14 | jpinx | thanks :) |
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| 05:03.17 | jelly-home | YWJjcg== |
| 05:04.33 | themill | jelly-home: Enter new UNIX password: |
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| 05:08.29 | suigeneris | I'm running debian under a virtual machine and files and dirs under /proc are missing. how can I restore them? |
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| 05:10.44 | Heber_Prabodh | What's the most confusing day in Harlem? Fathers Day! |
| 05:10.51 | Seegee | Thats mean... |
| 05:12.14 | jelly-home | Seegee: please ignore the troll. |
| 05:12.46 | Seegee | How can I ignore something like that... |
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| 05:19.21 | suigeneris | I have an empty /proc directory under a virtual machine. can you help? |
| 05:19.51 | rryoumaa | what is the advantage of a separate boot partition for normal use? |
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| 05:23.48 | chovy | how do i install xfs_mkfile? |
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| 05:24.35 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/xfs_mkfile |
| 05:24.40 | judd | Search for bin/xfs_mkfile in wheezy/i386: xfsprogs: usr/sbin/xfs_mkfile |
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| 05:25.01 | jelly-home | chovy: probably want to install that package |
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| 05:27.54 | themill | suigeneris: what sort of virtualisation is it? |
| 05:28.09 | suigeneris | themill: xen |
| 05:28.11 | chovy | hmm, i guess it requires xfs |
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| 05:28.39 | themill | suigeneris: does the output of "mount" include an entry for proc? |
| 05:28.58 | chovy | is there anything equivalent to 'mkfile' on mac? |
| 05:29.04 | suigeneris | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 05:29.13 | suigeneris | but /proc is empty |
| 05:29.20 | themill | that should be enough. |
| 05:29.22 | jelly-home | suigeneris: please try not to ask the same question in multiple channels at once; also you might want to mention all the details, like that you're using some sort of chroot env. at present |
| 05:29.32 | themill | ahh... |
| 05:29.38 | themill | thanks, jelly-home |
| 05:29.58 | suigeneris | sorry jelly-home |
| 05:30.06 | suigeneris | I am using chroot |
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| 05:30.42 | themill | So it's not the VM or the xen setup that is the problem, it's the chroot. |
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| 05:31.24 | jelly-home | suigeneris: when you mount and chroot into a previously working system, there are leftover entries in /etc/mtab, and "mount" command shows those. |
| 05:31.26 | suigeneris | themill: I've mounted the .img file and I've chrooted into it |
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| 05:32.11 | jelly-home | suigeneris: these are not necessarily correct. In short, mount is lying. You need to mount /proc manually. |
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| 05:32.42 | jelly-home | alternatively, bind mount it from outside into the chroot, and then chroot |
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| 05:33.26 | jelly-home | chovy: if the mac is running debian, it'll be the same thing |
| 05:33.27 | suigeneris | mount -o bind /proc <chroot>/proc |
| 05:33.35 | suigeneris | like this? |
| 05:33.38 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 05:34.18 | suigeneris | yay |
| 05:34.19 | jelly-home | well, maybe. I only know of mount --bind /proc .../proc |
| 05:35.03 | suigeneris | now I am getting dom0 details in the domU |
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| 05:36.51 | jelly-home | suigeneris: well, where did you mount the image, in dom0? And you ran that chroot in dom0 as well? |
| 05:37.04 | suigeneris | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.07 | jelly-home | suigeneris: you're not in domU then. |
| 05:37.14 | jelly-home | you've merely mounted its contents |
| 05:37.24 | themill | the guest isn't actually running; chroot into a disk image isn't the same as starting a virtual machine |
| 05:38.29 | themill | suspects we need to start at the beginning with a problem statement |
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| 05:41.05 | suigeneris | I cannot unmount it :S |
| 05:41.19 | suigeneris | I have to unmount /proc first |
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| 05:41.46 | jelly-home | that is expected |
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| 05:52.19 | suigeneris | okay I'm in the vm now |
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| 05:52.39 | suigeneris | and /proc is somehow not empty |
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| 05:53.30 | suigeneris | but I can't ping |
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| 05:58.02 | j4jackj | xen stuff again? |
| 05:58.19 | suigeneris | ya |
| 05:58.45 | j4jackj | i am a non sequitur |
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| 06:01.04 | suigeneris | what is that? |
| 06:01.17 | cooldharma06 | hi |
| 06:01.55 | cooldharma06 | i am having one "ELF 64-bit LSB executable" file how to run this one.. |
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| 06:03.03 | tralala | cooldharma06, if your OS is 64-bit - /path/to/file |
| 06:03.50 | suigeneris | jelly-home: I can't ping now |
| 06:04.31 | cooldharma06 | sorry .. now i store this file /opt/sample1.. sample1 is file.. how to run.? |
| 06:05.00 | tralala | cooldharma06, make sure it's executable and do /opt/sample1 |
| 06:05.17 | jelly-home | suigeneris: I know next to nothing about Xen virtual hosts. Is the network device up and configured? Is a default route present? |
| 06:05.44 | suigeneris | 5.9.235.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:06.04 | jelly-home | that is not a default route |
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| 06:06.11 | cooldharma06 | tnx tralala.. :) |
| 06:06.28 | tralala | suigeneris, I missed your question, can you repeat it? |
| 06:06.38 | tralala | cooldharma06, you're welcome :-) |
| 06:06.51 | suigeneris | tralala: I can't ping |
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| 06:07.05 | suigeneris | outbound and in |
| 06:07.48 | jelly-home | suigeneris: pastebin the complete output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n". Which debian is running on that vm? |
| 06:08.16 | jelly-home | suigeneris: oh, and your /etc/network/interfaces for good measure |
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| 06:09.57 | suigeneris | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/23370/ |
| 06:10.00 | tralala | suigeneris, and the vm.cfg |
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| 06:11.47 | tralala | suigeneris, and you can't ping the default gateway? |
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| 06:11.51 | suigeneris | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/23371/ |
| 06:12.11 | suigeneris | tralala: nope |
| 06:12.38 | suigeneris | jelly-home: debian 6.0 (wheezy?) |
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| 06:13.04 | jelly-home | squeeze. the previous release. |
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| 06:13.28 | jelly-home | .16 is a bit unusual for a gw |
| 06:14.16 | jelly-home | suigeneris: using tcpdump -ni eth0, can you see ANY traffic on that interface? |
| 06:14.23 | tralala | suigeneris, do you see the packets with tcpdump on the xen host? |
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| 06:15.09 | suigeneris | jelly-home, tralala: it just hit me that I didn't add my subnet to the dom0 |
| 06:15.23 | jelly-home | suigeneris: did this setup ever work? |
| 06:15.38 | suigeneris | jelly-home: yes it did |
| 06:15.51 | jelly-home | what changed? :-) |
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| 06:24.27 | suigeneris | jelly-home: the dedicated server went down and I had to restore |
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| 06:25.32 | suigeneris | jelly-home: I can't even ping the dedicated server |
| 06:25.47 | suigeneris | jelly-home: is my route table correct |
| 06:25.49 | suigeneris | ? |
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| 06:27.28 | catsup | how can i get a list of packages aptitude has scheduled for install? |
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| 06:29.20 | themill | catsup: aptitude search '?action(install)' |
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| 06:30.10 | catsup | oh, thanks |
| 06:30.21 | suigeneris | themill: the provider's wiki is describing up ip addr add 5.9.235.16/28 dev /eth, |
| 06:30.25 | catsup | it's right there in the doc i'm looking at, and i didn't see it because i searched 'schedule' instead of 'mark' |
| 06:30.44 | suigeneris | how do I get that 'up'? |
| 06:30.45 | catsup | right there, third from the top, heh |
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| 06:34.46 | jellow | I'm trying to run rvm on debian lenny armv4 , It want a whole load of packages that are simply are not repo , What are my options ? |
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| 06:36.40 | rozie | jellow: why Lenny? |
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| 06:39.11 | rozie | jellow: #debian-arm on freenode seems to be better place to ask this question |
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| 06:39.35 | jellow | rozie: debian dropped support for armv4 ok will do |
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| 06:40.11 | suigeneris | help me please guys |
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| 06:40.28 | suigeneris | I can't ping in or outbound |
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| 06:43.22 | catsup | i'm looking at the utils partimage, and partclone, but they don't do quite what i want. i'd like to save partition tables and restore them, but only the partition tables, no partition data. is there a util that does that and supports both GPT and MBR partition tables? |
| 06:43.44 | catsup | maybe those tools can do it, too, i haven't investigated thoroughly |
| 06:44.51 | catsup | actually, sfdisk works fine for mbr, but for gpt i wasn't able to get as much out of parted |
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| 06:45.50 | suigeneris | guys, please this is urgent |
| 06:46.11 | catsup | try rebooting |
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| 06:47.50 | catsup | i found the answer to my own question: Package: gdisk |
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| 06:48.16 | bluesm1 | Does /etc/hosts |
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| 06:48.30 | bluesm1 | could translate "one domain" to "another" |
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| 06:48.38 | bluesm1 | not ip -> domain |
| 06:48.42 | bluesm1 | but domain -> domain ? |
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| 06:49.18 | catsup | bluesm1: no |
| 06:50.09 | catsup | bluesm1: in DNS, a CNAME record can do that, but hosts does not let you specify anything like a CNAME record. you must create your own local DNS server for that. |
| 06:50.54 | catsup | bluesm1: you can do that with the package pdnsd, it's what i use. |
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| 06:55.51 | bluesm1 | catsup: CNAME is record that translates "domain-1" to "domain-2". The domain-1 points to domain-2 ? When you request "domain-1" you get domain-2 and then domain-2 is translated to IP adress ? |
| 06:56.03 | catsup | that's right. |
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| 07:04.52 | bluesm1 | catsup: Ok. But I quite don't understand. My understanding it that dns request of any program, firstly parses the /etc/hosts file, if he couldn't found anything then it goes to the "default DNS server" |
| 07:05.02 | suigeneris | tralala: are you there? |
| 07:05.05 | catsup | blue: that's correct |
| 07:05.10 | catsup | bluesm1: that's correct |
| 07:06.14 | catsup | bluesm1: the dns server is specified in /etc/resolv.conf or else, if that file is not there, it uses the local machine |
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| 07:06.52 | bluesm1 | catsup: Why then they didn't designed this in a way, that if in /etc/hosts the program find another domain (not the ip adress) it repeats the "cycle" with the "new" domain ? |
| 07:07.33 | suigeneris | who can help me? |
| 07:07.49 | suigeneris | I can't ping in or outbound |
| 07:07.53 | catsup | bluesm1: because the /etc/hosts file goes back to the 70s. the DNS system has evolved a lot, but the /etc/hosts file never changed. so if you want to use some of the advanced DNS features, you need to run a DNS server yourself. there is no really good reason why nobody ever improved /etc/hosts more, but anyway they did not. |
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| 07:08.40 | catsup | bluesm1: there are some other options too, like using LDAP. you can look at nsswitch.conf too. but, /etc/hosts just cannot do it. |
| 07:09.17 | catsup | bluesm1: actually, what you said about hosts is not true. in fact, what the system does is first look at nsswitch.conf. and then _that_ file says to try /etc/hosts first. so you can change that. |
| 07:09.18 | tralala | suigeneris, you didn't answer my question |
| 07:09.30 | suigeneris | tralala: about? |
| 07:09.41 | suigeneris | tralala: sorry, I didn't see |
| 07:09.50 | tralala | tcpdump on the host |
| 07:09.54 | catsup | bluesm1: but i think, for what you want, the solution is just to install pdnsd or else some other DNS server (like unbound, or tinydns) |
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| 07:10.27 | suigeneris | tralala: tcpdump on dom0 while pinging it from domU? |
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| 07:12.37 | siddpujare | hey... |
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| 07:13.25 | siddpujare | i have installed debian6.0.7 on DELL R520 poweredge server. |
| 07:13.43 | bluesm1 | catsup: So installing DNS server on my "local" machine, just will add new DNS server to my "DNS" chain. /etc/hosts -> Local DNS server -> Network Provider DNS server. ? |
| 07:14.02 | siddpujare | i am not able to get the NIC drivers |
| 07:14.09 | suigeneris | tralala: I get Destination host unreachable |
| 07:14.14 | siddpujare | my NIC is Broadcomm BCM5720 |
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| 07:15.07 | siddpujare | can we have any option like a source code of drivers which we can complie and install |
| 07:15.13 | siddpujare | compile* |
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| 07:16.48 | siddpujare | can any one help me in this issue? |
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| 07:17.21 | korn36 | how can i set up a virtual alsa device which will forward sound to pulseaudio? |
| 07:17.27 | musca | !BCM5720 |
| 07:17.27 | dpkg | The Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5720 is a PCIe Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 14e4:165f), supported by the <tg3> driver since Linux 3.0. |
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| 07:18.48 | musca | ,kernel --release squeeze-backports |
| 07:18.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1) |
| 07:19.36 | musca | siddpujare: so you could go for the kernel from squeeze-backports |
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| 07:20.01 | siddpujare | ok so i will have to install a kernel and boot from that |
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| 07:28.30 | musca | ,depends linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 07:28.31 | judd | Package linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-common (= 3.2.46-1~bpo60+1), linux-kbuild-3.2, gcc-4.4. |
| 07:28.40 | musca | siddpujare: ^ |
| 07:29.09 | musca | and don't forget the headers. |
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| 07:30.16 | siddpujare | ok will get this dependancies alongwith linux-image |
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| 07:33.58 | musca | !tg3 siddpujare |
| 07:34.07 | musca | !tg3 |
| 07:34.07 | dpkg | tg3 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) and NetLink Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace (Debian Linux 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 controller and TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
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| 07:35.36 | musca | siddpujare: so, you also need firmware-linux-nonfree from squeeze-backports |
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| 07:37.47 | pucko | why is it that some tutorials talk about "myapp/debian" folder, while dpkg-deb requires "myapp/DEBIAN"? |
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| 07:39.39 | tralala | suigeneris, yes tcpdump on dom0's bridge |
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| 07:41.28 | nkuttler | pucko: see man dpkg-deb, it's not in the packages |
| 07:41.39 | suigeneris | tralala: tcpdump works fine, but I get destination host unreachable on domU |
| 07:42.17 | Harzilein | pucko: basically myapp/DEBIAN relates to installing (at build time), while debian/ is a part of the source package |
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| 07:43.26 | Harzilein | pucko: btw, you can instantly get higher geek cred if you stop referring to directories as folders except when in the context of desktop environments/file managers :D |
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| 07:45.57 | pucko | Harzilein: thanks. figures I missed that part. I obviously looked at a tutorial for building binary packages. |
| 07:46.21 | Harzilein | pucko: you should only ever build binary packages from source packages |
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| 07:47.49 | Harzilein | pucko: don't use alien, don't use fpm |
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| 07:51.34 | tralala | suigeneris, do you see any packets to coming to the dom0? |
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| 07:53.34 | suigeneris | tralala: lots of |
| 07:54.35 | korn36 | i'm getting distorted sound all the time |
| 07:54.43 | korn36 | like clicking and crackling |
| 07:54.47 | tralala | suigeneris, I mean any of the packets from the domU |
| 07:54.53 | korn36 | i tried on various CD's but they're all distorted |
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| 07:54.59 | korn36 | is this a pulseaudio issue? |
| 07:55.09 | korn36 | yesterday it was working fine |
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| 07:55.52 | epitamizor | what would prevent the tty console from displaying image if switching tty's? |
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| 07:56.55 | suigeneris | tralala: no, I get destination host unreachable from domU |
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| 08:00.05 | tralala | suigeneris, so no packets reach the dom0? |
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| 08:00.36 | suigeneris | nope |
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| 08:02.41 | tralala | suigeneris, try something like vif = ['mac=xx:xx:xx, bridge=xenbr0'] |
| 08:03.03 | tralala | make sure the bridge is prepared beforehand |
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| 08:07.37 | suigeneris | tralala: I see a xenbr0 on ifconfig if that's what you're asking |
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| 08:09.40 | tralala | suigeneris, how many nics does dom0 have? |
| 08:10.09 | suigeneris | tralala: 1 |
| 08:10.30 | bluesm | What I should read to understand the concept of "private, public" keys in certificates (what this exactly is) and ssh and logging via FB, |
| 08:10.38 | bluesm | Google, GitHub and so on. |
| 08:11.35 | jelly-home | bluesm: you might start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography |
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| 08:14.13 | tralala | suigeneris, then use xenbr0 in the vif options |
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| 08:14.25 | Shanx | hello |
| 08:14.26 | tralala | restart the vm and see if the network works |
| 08:14.57 | Shanx | I have a raspbien (wheezy) which starts automatically on openbox+LXDE |
| 08:15.04 | Shanx | I’d like to start on tty |
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| 08:15.24 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 08:15.25 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 08:15.27 | Shanx | I have edited /etc/inittab |
| 08:15.43 | Shanx | jelly-home, it’s not a problem from raspbian. |
| 08:15.49 | Shanx | Or I don’t think so. |
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| 08:16.42 | jelly-home | Shanx: the only way to know is to reproduce it with actual debian |
| 08:17.35 | Shanx | I don’t use debian on my other computers |
| 08:17.46 | Iridos | so how is that our problem? |
| 08:18.44 | jelly-home | Shanx: I don't use raspbian, and I don't know how they autostart an X session with lxde. |
| 08:18.55 | jelly-home | (debian does not do that by default) |
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| 08:20.13 | jelly-home | Shanx: so, ask the raspbian people how that is done, and disable that feature |
| 08:20.43 | suigeneris | tralala: still can't ping :S |
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| 08:22.40 | tralala | suigeneris, run "brctl show xenbr0" on dom0 |
| 08:22.48 | suigeneris | tralala: oh, this time unknown host |
| 08:23.08 | suigeneris | when I did bridge=xenbr0 |
| 08:23.41 | tralala | you haven't configured nameservers |
| 08:23.49 | tralala | ping by IP |
| 08:24.10 | tralala | and show me the brctl line |
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| 08:27.36 | suigeneris | tralala: when I ping domain I get unknown host, when I do it with IP I get destination host unreachable and brctl line is bridge namebridge idSTP enabledinterfaces xenbr08000.c86000bd329anoeth0 vif13.0 |
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| 08:28.40 | tralala | suigeneris, I assume 13 is the id of your vm, right? |
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| 08:29.57 | suigeneris | yes |
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| 08:30.57 | tralala | suigeneris, tcpdump -ni xenbr0 host <your_vm_ip>, then ping from the vm and see if the packets show up in the dump |
| 08:31.38 | suigeneris | in the dom0, right? |
| 08:31.45 | tralala | yes |
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| 08:33.50 | suigeneris | tralala: I get output when I'm not pinging |
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| 08:35.38 | suigeneris | even when* |
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| 08:36.13 | tralala | paste some of it |
| 08:36.34 | xrosnight | hello guys. is any tutorial about how to make a debian destro ??? thanks |
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| 08:37.05 | suigeneris | tralala: now nothing on ping and I get destination host unreachable on domU |
| 08:38.05 | suigeneris | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/23388/ |
| 08:38.19 | suigeneris | tralala: this is without ping |
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| 08:40.56 | xrosnight | suigeneris: donno |
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| 08:41.16 | suigeneris | xrosnight: ? |
| 08:41.26 | xrosnight | your pasted |
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| 08:42.08 | ChrisH | suigeneris,tralala I do not see any arp-it-at replys in the paste |
| 08:42.17 | xrosnight | anyone knows how to make a debian destro? any good tutorial ? thaanks |
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| 08:42.30 | xrosnight | i googled but not found one |
| 08:42.49 | suigeneris | ChrisH: how do I fix that? |
| 08:42.51 | jusgya | Hello. I am using radvd to configure the IPv6 addresses on my network. How do I change the default route it is advertising? All machines are getting the link-local address for the default route, and it is unreachable from them (probably because it is on three interfaces on the router at the same time) |
| 08:43.16 | musca | siddpujare: how is your progress? Any achievements? |
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| 08:44.11 | ChrisH | suigeneris: first thing I would check is netmasks, broadcasts of the NIC used on all sides. second check if ip-forward is enabled if needed. |
| 08:45.18 | suigeneris | Mask:255.255.255.0 on the domU |
| 08:45.28 | jusgya | Hm, disregard that, it is not the issue. Sorry for bothering y'all |
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| 08:48.18 | catsup | bluesm: sorry, didn't see your question. the answer is yes, you have it correct. probably you figured that out by now anyway :) |
| 08:49.15 | bluesm | catsup: How you found my question now ? You were afk ? |
| 08:49.17 | catsup | bluesm: but you will have to make sure it is set up in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:49.43 | catsup | bluesm: well, i was looking at the other monitor, trying to work ;) |
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| 08:50.40 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.42 | boudiccas | still unable to boot into gdm3, get a screen of "init: cannot execute "/usr/bin/svscanboot" which just keeps repeating. what i need to do is to remove compiz, and get my amd-drivers working again with the nvidia drivers that came with compiz removed |
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| 09:01.17 | boudiccas | or, in other words, help! |
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| 09:03.15 | jelly | boudiccas: boot in single user mode, and uninstall daemontools or runit. |
| 09:03.25 | jelly | judd: file bin/svscanboot |
| 09:03.30 | judd | Search for bin/svscanboot in wheezy/i386: daemontools: usr/bin/svscanboot |
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| 09:04.00 | jelly | boudiccas: or comment out the svscanboot line from inittab |
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| 09:05.04 | jelly | boudiccas: that's for the init issue. No idea about compiz or amd or nvidia (do you have both amd and nvidia? whut) |
| 09:05.17 | boudiccas | jelly, okay thanks |
| 09:05.40 | boudiccas | jelly, zero nvidia, but amd setup |
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| 09:11.04 | tralala | suigeneris, show me ifconfig -a; route -n on dom0 |
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| 09:13.33 | suigeneris | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/23394/ |
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| 09:18.59 | tralala | suigeneris, you are not supposed to configure both eth0 and xenbr0 on dom0. Fix your settings and use xenbr0 only |
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| 09:20.03 | suigeneris | but isn't xenbr0 supposed to be a bridge? |
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| 09:23.12 | tralala | yes, and when you use a bridge it gets the IP and all the interfaces connected to it are treated as one |
| 09:23.40 | tralala | anyway, do it like that and test again |
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| 09:28.59 | suigeneris | tralala: sorry, do I remove eth0? |
| 09:29.14 | suigeneris | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/23397/ like this |
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| 09:35.11 | tralala | yes |
| 09:36.19 | tralala | but, I'm confused by the additional route and address. What are you trying to achieve there? |
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| 09:40.45 | bcdonadio | I'm having a high dose of problems with my RT3090 wifi nic, like inability to receive packets for several seconds and then everything comes back to normal (packets are still being transmitted, though). How should I start debugging this? |
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| 09:41.07 | bcdonadio | i'm on wheezy btw |
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| 09:47.48 | Walex | bcdonadio: it is most likely a radio issue, not a sw issue |
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| 09:49.24 | suigeneris | tralala: sorry I got disconnected. did you say anything to me in the meantime? |
| 09:49.27 | bcdonadio | Walex, hmmm, but I don't have this issue on Windows, though... |
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| 09:56.15 | vapula | hi. does wheezy/stable support root on reiserfs ? I'm upgrading from a squeeze/oldstable where this was working fine, but now get a kernel panic on reboot with the kernel failing to mount the root reiserfs partition |
| 09:56.26 | Walex | bcdonadio: unlikley and/or accidental |
| 09:56.32 | korn36 | vapula: why do you use reiserfs? |
| 09:57.02 | Walex | vapula: rebuild the initial RAM filesystem |
| 09:57.05 | vapula | was an old time decision, but i can't really switch in-place, can I |
| 09:57.22 | Walex | vapula: ReiserFS is still pretty good, you can keep it. |
| 09:57.27 | vapula | thx |
| 09:58.32 | Walex | vapula: you may have to specify some option to ensure the ReiserFS module is included on the initramfs |
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| 09:58.39 | bcdonadio | Walex, also I'm incapable of connecting to WPA2 networks with RADIUS auth (and not PSK), could this also be explained because of hardware failure? |
| 09:59.54 | Walex | bcdonadio: depends on whether it is intermittent |
| 10:00.33 | Walex | bcdonadio: radio problems are not hardware failure; it is rather that WiFi is very sentitive to positioning, reflections, etc. |
| 10:01.18 | bcdonadio | Walex, at least the incapability of connecting to WPA2 networks is constant |
| 10:01.20 | Walex | bcdonadio: however given than Radius vs. PSK is purely a sw issue, and does not involve the stick driver... |
| 10:01.31 | bcdonadio | and I'm just 1 meter from my AP |
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| 10:02.05 | bcdonadio | I see no other network in the area, also |
| 10:02.10 | tralala | suigeneris, the settings look good but I wonder why do you have extra IPs and routes. |
| 10:02.36 | suigeneris | tralala: I have a IP subnet |
| 10:02.50 | vapula | Walex: thanks, will look into that |
| 10:02.50 | suigeneris | maybe that's why? |
| 10:03.43 | suigeneris | tralala: should I remove eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:03.57 | jdoles | How do I find the latest package providing a particular file name on Debian? |
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| 10:04.46 | ChrisH | jdoles: apt-file search file-name ; apt-cache policy package-name |
| 10:05.08 | tralala | suigeneris, yes |
| 10:05.33 | jdoles | ChrisH: is there also something which does this in bulk? |
| 10:05.59 | jdoles | ChrisH: because waiting for the system to read the entire database over and over is rather slow. |
| 10:06.05 | ChrisH | jdoles: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?? |
| 10:06.21 | ChrisH | jdoles: dunno what you want to do?? |
| 10:06.33 | suigeneris | tralala: yes what? eth0 or subnet? |
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| 10:06.39 | jdoles | ChrisH: no, the problem is that I want to parse my header files, and automatically install the latest packages providing these header files. |
| 10:07.02 | jdoles | ChrisH: but the searching should then work in about 50ms or so for to be tolerable. |
| 10:07.20 | jdoles | ChrisH: if Debian doesn't have such an API, it basically sucks, IMHO. |
| 10:08.05 | Walex | jdoles: that is crazy talk |
| 10:08.20 | bhuddah | jdoles: some webservice on debian.org exists... |
| 10:08.46 | jdoles | bhuddah: and what makes you think that I want to depend on a web-service that can go down at any moment? |
| 10:08.48 | Walex | jdoles: the Debian Way is that you package your app as a nice source '.deb' and you declare in it which dependencies it has. |
| 10:08.59 | jdoles | Walex: yes, that's a broken way. |
| 10:09.13 | babilen | jdoles: How so? |
| 10:09.15 | jdoles | Walex: because it requires people to keep track of dependencies all day long. |
| 10:09.21 | bhuddah | jdoles: because you can't have speed, reliability and little cost at the same time. as always. |
| 10:09.40 | Walex | jdoles: doing realtime dependency searches sounds like crazy talk to me. |
| 10:09.54 | bhuddah | jdoles: you are free to use some other packaging system. like rpm which works completely different *chuckles* |
| 10:10.06 | suigeneris | but I can't remove eth0 :S |
| 10:10.08 | jdoles | ... |
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| 10:10.22 | babilen | jdoles: AFAIK there is no way to speed up this search unless you write a tools yourself that loads the contents files once and then allows for multiple queries to be issued against it. Why do you need this? What is the use-case? |
| 10:10.25 | jdoles | Why can't anyone just say "yeah, we miss that API and it was an oversight". |
| 10:10.37 | bhuddah | because nobody cares |
| 10:10.50 | Walex | jdoles: nobody optimizes for the case where dependencies can change several times per second :-) |
| 10:10.50 | bhuddah | how often do you search for something like that? once a year? ^^ |
| 10:10.51 | babilen | that's not true, I would love a blazingly fast apt-file |
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| 10:11.04 | jdoles | bhuddah: I thought Debian was supposed to be the universal OS. |
| 10:11.05 | Walex | dlocate? |
| 10:11.28 | jdoles | bhuddah: every single time I configure my complete system. |
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| 10:11.32 | babilen | Walex: only works for installed packages |
| 10:11.39 | bhuddah | jdoles: which is MORE OFTEN than once a year? ^^ |
| 10:11.43 | suigeneris | ubuntu is the new sexy |
| 10:11.44 | babilen | jdoles: What are you *really* trying to do? |
| 10:11.46 | jdoles | bhuddah: much more often. |
| 10:12.02 | jdoles | bhuddah: it's like my way of doing apt-get. |
| 10:12.03 | bhuddah | jdoles: you should consider getting some other hoby *laughs* sorry. :) |
| 10:12.08 | babilen | suigeneris: That really doesn't help and I would kindly ask you to play somewhere else. :) |
| 10:12.20 | bhuddah | jdoles: maybe your way is simply wrong? |
| 10:12.23 | babilen | jdoles: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:12.30 | bhuddah | what babilen asks. |
| 10:12.33 | jdoles | bhuddah: it ensures that I can deploy my system on every other system. |
| 10:12.34 | suigeneris | zips |
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| 10:12.42 | bhuddah | wtf? |
| 10:13.04 | babilen | jdoles: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:13.28 | jdoles | babilen: distribution independence is another goal. |
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| 10:13.43 | jdoles | babilen: this setup works across Ubuntu, Debian, and others. |
| 10:13.53 | bhuddah | jdoles: ubuntu is practically debian |
| 10:13.57 | babilen | jdoles: For *WHAT* ? If you are packaging for Debian then package for Debian. |
| 10:14.05 | jdoles | bhuddah: can you stfu? |
| 10:14.09 | bhuddah | jdoles: and don't invent a new wheel. there are already tools for everything around. |
| 10:14.33 | babilen | please, can we just focus on the task at hand? A task that is still undefined AFACT ? |
| 10:15.12 | bhuddah | yes, please :) sorry. |
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| 10:15.30 | jdoles | babilen: if you would just answer the original question, there wouldn't be a problem. |
| 10:15.36 | babilen | jdoles: I answered it some time ago. |
| 10:16.04 | jdoles | babilen: so, how do I get access to some structure in which I can search in logarithmic time for files? |
| 10:16.23 | babilen | I am now trying to understand your *real* (i.e. underlying) problem so I can suggest a suitable and better solution. You don't seem to be interested in pursuing that and I am losing motivation too .. |
| 10:16.34 | jdoles | babilen: better, faster deployment. |
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| 10:16.54 | bhuddah | use chef or puppet. and fai |
| 10:16.57 | jdoles | babilen: preferably the kind which ensures that latests versions of all my own libraries and all my dependencies are used. |
| 10:17.07 | jdoles | bhuddah: chef does not support that feature. |
| 10:17.39 | bhuddah | what "feature" exactly? |
| 10:17.47 | jdoles | bhuddah: or does it have a feature now where you can say: "get me library libfoo<whatever> such that libfoo<whatever> is the newest? |
| 10:17.49 | babilen | Package your libraries and track the release you are uploading to. I don't see why that is a problem .. If you want a different way to search the Content.gz files then you have to write that yourself. |
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| 10:18.18 | bhuddah | jdoles: just do a normal install. this defaults to the newest |
| 10:18.29 | jdoles | bhuddah: take my advice ... PLEASE. |
| 10:18.33 | jdoles | bhuddah: STOP TALKING. |
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| 10:18.42 | bhuddah | jdoles: i would take advice if you had some to offer |
| 10:18.46 | gnarface | i think he's a bot |
| 10:18.48 | bhuddah | *laughs* sorry :) |
| 10:19.00 | bhuddah | gnarface: could be. really advanced AI-trolling :) |
| 10:19.13 | gnarface | either that or you're just another crackhead |
| 10:19.15 | babilen | jdoles: puppet allows you to specify that a package should be the latest version, but then you can ensure that easily by simply making sure that your system is up-to-date (i.e. all installed packages are updated) |
| 10:19.36 | babilen | bhuddah: Lets drop it, there is obviously no point in continuing this. |
| 10:19.50 | jdoles | babilen: libfoo1.48 != libfoo1.49 |
| 10:19.51 | bhuddah | babilen: yep... |
| 10:19.56 | jdoles | babilen: do you already get it? |
| 10:20.31 | boudiccas | right, i've purged the system of all nvidia drivers and reinstalled my AMD fglrx drivers, but it still doesnt boot. gdm3 starts and then displays the cursor as a small white oblong. the '/media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259/var/log/Xorg.0.log' is here ... http://dpaste.com/1334159/. what do i have to do please to get it to boot? |
| 10:20.54 | babilen | jdoles: Seriously, this is a channel of volunteers and some of us know a bit about packaging. I would *strongly* advise you to not throw the packaging experience Debian acrued over the last decades away and to try to invent your own packaging system. Or well, feel free to do that, but then do not expect us to support that. |
| 10:21.06 | jdoles | babilen: I need a system in which I can express that libfoo1.49 containing foo.h is to be preferred over libfoo1.48 containing foo.h. |
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| 10:21.24 | jdoles | babilen: I am not sure how that still wasn't clear after I only had said it a billion times. |
| 10:21.44 | jdoles | babilen: and this needs to work for 1000s of header files. |
| 10:21.46 | bhuddah | M( |
| 10:22.07 | bhuddah | git, hg, cvs |
| 10:22.11 | babilen | jdoles: You would have a package "libfoo" that you build-depend on and then you upgrade the version of that package from 1.48 to 1.49 .. What is so hard about that? If you require two branches at the same time use libfoo1 and libfoo2 with 1.* and 2.* being included in them respectively. |
| 10:22.12 | Harzilein | i'm sure you could write a puppet provider around apt-file that would do that for specific packages |
| 10:22.28 | gnarface | jdoles: as far as i can tell you're looking for a solution to a problem you don't have if you use debian. |
| 10:22.47 | gnarface | jdoles: so uh... suck it? |
| 10:22.48 | jdoles | babilen: I do not *want* to manually specify that. |
| 10:22.49 | babilen | Harzilein: yes, but it is still the wrong approach |
| 10:23.03 | vapula | Walex: even with reiserfs module in initramfs, seems to panic on not being able to mount the root |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | jdoles: You have to specify something at some level. But then, feel free to ask a different channel if you don't want to learn how to package for Debian. |
| 10:23.40 | jdoles | babilen: No, you don't have to specify anything. |
| 10:23.44 | jdoles | babilen: that's the point. |
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| 10:24.28 | Harzilein | just wanted to state that "those configuration management systems do not have this feature" is such a generic statement that it is nearly meaningless. of course you can make them do that. you can even make them serve coffee (instructions are in the coffee howto) |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | Harzilein: You can make everything do everything if you work long and hard enough. :) |
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| 10:25.39 | gnarface | yes, i think that is in rfc 1918? |
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| 10:26.14 | gnarface | no i mean rfc 1925 |
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| 10:26.30 | babilen | jdoles: I understand what you are trying to say, but it is not how software is packaged by any distribution as it is totally infeasible to do it this way for a number of reasons. |
| 10:26.39 | gnarface | rfc 1925, part 2 sub (2) |
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| 10:26.46 | gnarface | sub 3 sorry |
| 10:26.47 | jdoles | babilen: it's totally feasible for my needs. |
| 10:26.53 | gnarface | yes, there it is |
| 10:26.59 | suigeneris | what happens if I enable STP in brctl output?, |
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| 10:31.12 | Walex | vapula: that is very strange indeed. IIRC you need to 'fsck' the root before it can be mounted with ReiserFS |
| 10:31.40 | Walex | vapula: it can be that the initramfs script does not do an explicit 'fsck' before mounting |
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| 10:32.20 | boudiccas | right, i've purged the system of all nvidia drivers and reinstalled my AMD fglrx drivers, but it still doesnt boot. gdm3 starts and then displays the cursor as a small white oblong. the '/media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259/var/log/Xorg.0.log' is here ... http://dpaste.com/1334159/. what do i have to do please to get it to boot? |
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| 10:35.33 | babilen | boudiccas: Why do you purge nvidia drivers to install fglrx? those are drivers for two completely different families of graphic cards. which graphic card do you have? (lspci -nn | grep -i vga) |
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| 10:36.29 | gnarface | powerVR!!! |
| 10:36.57 | boudiccas | i had tried to install compiz, which came with a load of nvidia stuff. i have VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sumo [Radeon HD 6410D] [1002:9645] |
| 10:37.11 | jelly | idly wonders why boudiccas even tried to install nvidia blob in the first place |
| 10:37.27 | boudiccas | jelly, i didnt, it came with compiz |
| 10:37.38 | babilen | compiz does not come with nvidia stuff or if it does than it is even more broken then I suspected |
| 10:38.26 | jelly | boudiccas: unlikely! |
| 10:38.47 | boudiccas | babilen, well its not somewthing that recommendf now. its left me on a live cd of wheezy chrooted into my box so i can, hopefully, fix it so that it will boot |
| 10:38.48 | zmode | babilen: compiz? broken? how dare you think that? |
| 10:39.11 | jelly | compiz is in main; nvidia is in non-free, packages in main MUST NOT (rfc meaning) depend on non-free stuff |
| 10:39.31 | boudiccas | jelly, i'm on testing |
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| 10:40.54 | babilen | boudiccas: Please paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net -- i'll be back later, but there simply is no way for compiz to pull in the nvidia drivers. either way, your setup is broken and needs to be fixed. |
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| 10:43.33 | boudiccas | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/23409/ |
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| 10:51.32 | wo0f | is tasksel safe to use? |
| 10:53.01 | bhuddah | wo0f: safe in which context? |
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| 10:54.00 | wo0f | bhuddah: to install apache, is it best to use tasksel, or install the metapackage, or install the packages separately? |
| 10:54.25 | jelly | boudiccas: why the hell did you --install-suggests! <g> |
| 10:54.36 | jelly | (lines 243-244) |
| 10:54.50 | bhuddah | wo0f: i think there is no problem in either way. just do as you please. |
| 10:55.23 | bhuddah | wo0f: i would apt-get the application package you wish to use. that will pull in all the dependencies |
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| 10:57.20 | boudiccas | babilen, this is a better paste http://paste.debian.net/23411/ |
| 10:58.06 | boudiccas | jelly, i have it set up with an alias, so i just do 'installplus compiz' which was the actual command i issued |
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| 11:02.57 | jelly | boudiccas: --yes is not too smart a tihng to have in a commonly used alias |
| 11:03.50 | boudiccas | jelly, so i see, but its the first time that its blown up in my face |
| 11:04.56 | burlap | How can I download and unpack a file via terminal? |
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| 11:05.20 | bhuddah | burlap: wget |
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| 11:10.26 | boudiccas | babilen; aptitude log as it was also used http://paste.debian.net/23415/ |
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| 11:13.30 | burlap | bhuddah: does wget unpack |
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| 11:13.47 | bhuddah | burlap: no. unpack depends on filetype. just google it |
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| 11:14.11 | jelly | boudiccas: in any case, you may remove anything from aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
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| 11:15.17 | burlap | bhuddah: thanks. |
| 11:15.24 | bhuddah | burlap: np |
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| 11:16.11 | dokma | my internal speakers are dead on Compaq 610 |
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| 11:16.27 | dokma | I have a feeling it might be due to some blacklisting going on in modprobe.d |
| 11:16.36 | dokma | is there any way to revert modprobe.d to default? |
| 11:17.15 | burlap | Is there a way to tell debian to invoke a command on system boot without having to do a lot of editing? |
| 11:17.25 | burlap | Preferably with a single-line command |
| 11:17.30 | burlap | or the adding of a file somewhere |
| 11:17.58 | dokma | burlap, checkout /etc/rc*.d |
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| 11:19.04 | dokma | burlap, to find out your run level type: runlevel |
| 11:19.04 | burlap | dokma: checkout as in the linux command |
| 11:19.09 | dokma | no |
| 11:19.09 | burlap | or as in "check out" :) |
| 11:19.18 | burlap | aight |
| 11:19.21 | dokma | as in go into the folders and see how it's done |
| 11:19.28 | dokma | it's 2 minutes work max |
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| 11:20.04 | boudiccas | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/23417/ |
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| 11:20.35 | dokma | anyone knows: if my headphones jack has audio but internal speakers do not can that be a module issue |
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| 11:20.42 | burlap | dokma: the rc files are empty |
| 11:20.45 | burlap | idk what you want me to do |
| 11:20.48 | dokma | or how to tell if it's a hardware prob |
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| 11:21.01 | dokma | they can't be empty |
| 11:21.10 | dokma | your system wouldn't boot if they were |
| 11:21.24 | burlap | the ones ive checked are |
| 11:21.30 | dokma | give me an example |
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| 11:21.59 | burlap | nano rc0.d |
| 11:22.03 | jiohdi_ | burlap, what is their file size? |
| 11:22.08 | dokma | that is a folder |
| 11:22.14 | dokma | you need to open something inside it |
| 11:22.15 | burlap | ok |
| 11:22.24 | dokma | try rc5.d rather |
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| 11:22.30 | dokma | that's probably your current run level |
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| 11:23.12 | burlap | OK gotcha. But is there a way to add say, a file to a folder in order to automatically init it on runtime? |
| 11:23.19 | burlap | so i dont have to do any runtime-specific edits? |
| 11:23.24 | burlap | this is kinda what i wanted to avoid having to do |
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| 11:23.28 | alami | hello, my network adapter don't work, i thing that's firmware Problem 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 11:23.57 | burlap | runlevel-specific edits * |
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| 11:27.07 | jelly | boudiccas: well, are there any? |
| 11:27.36 | jelly | boudiccas: "this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages" |
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| 11:40.48 | boudiccas | jelly, sorry, it was dinnertime. it could only be that apt-get was doing an update at 1200, but i dont know |
| 11:42.17 | boudiccas | jelly, its still happening, possibly because i'm chrrooted into the box and dont have admin abilities to run a terminal as if on the box as normal |
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| 11:44.13 | jelly | you don't have to, or need to, run a terminal as root anyway |
| 11:44.37 | boudiccas | jelly, it says i'm root, but i still get that error message |
| 11:44.57 | jelly | boudiccas: are there, in fact, ant dpkg or apt or any processes with "apt" in their name running? |
| 11:45.02 | jelly | any* |
| 11:45.31 | boudiccas | jelly, [root:Wed Aug 07 12:15:58 @/]$ [801]>; aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' ..... no, i'm on a live cd of wheezy |
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| 11:46.08 | jelly | boudiccas: did you check? |
| 11:46.38 | boudiccas | jelly, i *know* there arent, because i'm runing the live cd |
| 11:46.44 | boudiccas | running |
| 11:47.05 | jelly | did... you... check. |
| 11:47.33 | jelly | (and if you didn't, please do so now) |
| 11:48.31 | boudiccas | jelly, i confirm that there are no apt-get/aptitude/dpkg running as shown by pstree |
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| 11:49.32 | jelly | boudiccas: good. Do you have a separate mountpoint for /var and is it mounted in the chroot? |
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| 11:49.55 | boudiccas | jelly, the whole of / is mounted in the chroot |
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| 11:51.16 | jelly | boudiccas: ok, I'll assume that means "no, all of my OS is on a single partition, there's no separate /var filesystem". What do ls -ld /var/lock and readlink -f /var/lock say? |
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| 11:53.03 | boudiccas | jelly, yes, its all one big partition. ls -ld /var/lock lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 21 10:56 /var/lock -> /run/lock readlink -f /var/lock /run/lock |
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| 11:53.25 | jelly | boudiccas: does /run/lock exist? |
| 11:53.41 | jelly | (readlink just said it did, but...) |
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| 11:54.05 | boudiccas | jelly, /media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259/var/run/lock its empty |
| 11:54.20 | jelly | blinks |
| 11:54.35 | jelly | boudiccas: where did that output come from |
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| 11:55.09 | boudiccas | jelly, it was in the addressbar of pcmanfm |
| 11:55.26 | jelly | boudiccas: that doesn't sound like "inside the chroot" |
| 11:55.32 | boudiccas | showing it was the chroot mounted system |
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| 11:55.54 | jelly | boudiccas: what does ls -ld /run/lock say |
| 11:56.40 | boudiccas | jelly, [root:Wed Aug 07 12:51:57 @/]$ [807]>; ls -ld /run/lock ls: cannot access /run/lock: No such file or directory |
| 12:00.07 | jelly | and there's your problem |
| 12:00.35 | boudiccas | ? |
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| 12:01.17 | boudiccas | jelly, please explain, you know that i'm a bear of very little brain |
| 12:01.24 | Shanx | hello |
| 12:01.35 | boudiccas | or, how do i put it right? |
| 12:01.35 | Shanx | is there any equivalent to remastersys ? |
| 12:01.46 | jelly | boudiccas: it seems /run isn't properly set up inside the chroot |
| 12:01.57 | Shanx | remastersys doen’t work and begins to become out of date… |
| 12:02.16 | jelly | boudiccas: it's a new thing and I'll have to research a bit on how to initialize it |
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| 12:02.52 | tralala | suigeneris, you don't need to remove eth0, just don't configure it in interfaces |
| 12:03.06 | boudiccas | jelly, this isz how i got to the filesystem .............. sudo chroot /media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259 |
| 12:03.16 | boudiccas | jelly, thanks |
| 12:04.34 | tralala | suigeneris, also I'm suspicious about the second subnet. Perhaps that's the reason why your ping doesn't work. Try to put the domU on the dom0's subnet and if this works, then your problem is not with the domU's settings but with the physical network. |
| 12:04.39 | jelly | boudiccas: try running /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh start, see if that makes stuff under /run appear |
| 12:05.28 | jelly | mumbles about debian making chroot more complicated on each release and considers telling everyone to use grml and grml-chroot |
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| 12:05.48 | boudiccas | jelly, [root:Wed Aug 07 12:57:36 @/]$ [811]>; /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh start /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh: 428: /lib/lsb/init-functions: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied findfs: unable to resolve 'UUID=ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259' |
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| 12:06.02 | jelly | hah |
| 12:06.20 | phix | jelly: use lxc imo |
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| 12:06.40 | jelly | phix: which rescue livecd has lxc? |
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| 12:07.29 | phix | jelly: any one |
| 12:07.53 | boudiccas | jelly, this is a lxde installable cd wheezy live install which is set up to install sid. dating from december time |
| 12:07.58 | jelly | phix: debian live does not, neither does grml |
| 12:08.12 | boudiccas | phix, lxc is not available on it |
| 12:08.44 | jelly | boudiccas: is /dev inside chroot populated or mostly empty? |
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| 12:09.05 | phix | aawww |
| 12:09.08 | phix | why not? |
| 12:09.28 | boudiccas | jelly, its got 46 items in it |
| 12:09.35 | jelly | boudiccas: but no /dev/null ? |
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| 12:10.26 | boudiccas | jelly, /media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259/dev/null /dev/null is a character device |
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| 12:12.36 | jelly | boudiccas: okay. from outside the chroot, mount --bind /dev /media/ca37ca39-8374-453a-a2d3-878df6e6f259/dev, and then try running that init script again |
| 12:12.39 | dash00 | hi, could somebody gimme some advice about dash arrays? bash syntax doesn't work and my google-fu seems not so good in this case. Thanks for answer. |
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| 12:12.53 | jelly | boudiccas: (run the init script from inside chroot) |
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| 12:14.25 | boudiccas | jelly, !811 /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh start [root:Wed Aug 07 13:13:36 @/]$ [814]>; |
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| 12:15.03 | jelly | boudiccas: so, is /run nonempty now and does /run/lock exist? |
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| 12:15.18 | jelly | boudiccas: if it does, you should be able to run aptitude |
| 12:15.33 | jpinx | jelly: fwiw openbox did have a configuration option that does what I wanted ;) |
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| 12:15.44 | jelly | jpinx: that's nice |
| 12:16.19 | jpinx | jelly: now everything bar skype opens where I want it ;) |
| 12:16.29 | jelly | skype is speshul |
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| 12:16.58 | jelly | hard to keep it in one workspace in kde or xfce as well |
| 12:17.01 | musca | dash00: it's a bashism http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism |
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| 12:17.33 | boudiccas | jelly, /var/run has 40 items in it /var/run/lock is empty |
| 12:17.49 | jelly | boudiccas: run, I said /run, not /var/run |
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| 12:18.25 | jelly | boudiccas: yes one is supposed to be a symlink to the other, but try to be precise |
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| 12:18.59 | dash00 | musca, thx, I've found that, but .... aaaa omg O_0 |
| 12:19.19 | boudiccas | jelly, i've just run the aptitude command again and it has zero output, it finishes and goes back to the command prompt |
| 12:19.42 | jelly | boudiccas: this implies you have no more nvidia stuff installed |
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| 12:20.17 | musca | dash00: you might want to discuss it with some friendly people next door in #bash |
| 12:20.24 | boudiccas | jelly, sorry, yes i did do /run/ and /run/lock shows just aptitude there with zero file length |
| 12:20.39 | jelly | boudiccas: does dpkg -l '*nvidia*'|grep '^.i' confirm (should also be empty output) |
| 12:20.50 | boudiccas | jelly, agreed, its all gone and purged |
| 12:21.22 | jelly | now you just have to fix the main issue ;-) |
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| 12:21.44 | boudiccas | jelly, dpkg -l '*nvidia*'|grep '^.i' ii nvidia-installer-cleanup 20130505+1 i386 cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer |
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| 12:22.08 | jelly | good, that one is not harmful |
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| 12:22.18 | boudiccas | jelly, agreed, but i dont know how. and googling seems to be unclear too |
| 12:23.04 | boudiccas | and i'll keep a copy of this discussion in my evernotesetup so it wont be lost when i reboot |
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| 12:24.17 | jelly | boudiccas: someone having a clue about amd and fglrx might want to step in. I can only offer generic advice from this point on |
| 12:24.26 | jelly | boudiccas: like /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 12:29.21 | boudiccas | jelly, okay, it appears that i need the radeon driver, according to dpkg , which if its 'fglrx-driver ' then i've already got it installed |
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| 12:30.18 | jelly | boudiccas: "radeon" is open source driver for the same hardware, different from closed source "fglrx" |
| 12:30.19 | boudiccas | and fglrx-control is also installed too |
| 12:30.44 | boudiccas | jelly, sorry, yes, i need the closed-source version |
| 12:30.46 | jelly | boudiccas: I'd probably read about the dkms thing. |
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| 12:31.07 | Enchie | Hello peeps :) quick question does anyone have any idea of how much bandwidth a Net install will take setting up a Home Server? :) |
| 12:31.23 | sashimi | depends on how much you install |
| 12:31.39 | sashimi | ie, do you want X? |
| 12:31.40 | jelly | Enchie: depends on what tasks you choose to install, could be 500MB-2GB |
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| 12:31.59 | boudiccas | jelly, yes fglrx-modules-dkms is installed, so is it possible tun it from the command line please? |
| 12:32.02 | sashimi | the biggest size is going to come from X |
| 12:32.10 | Enchie | I wouldnt install X |
| 12:32.14 | jiohdi | bandwidth? won't it take as much as it can grab? |
| 12:32.15 | jelly | boudiccas: dunno, read /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
| 12:32.21 | boudiccas | jelly, i meant to run it |
| 12:32.28 | Enchie | so im guess somewhere between 300 - 600MB? |
| 12:32.29 | jelly | boudiccas: me too! |
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| 12:32.59 | jelly | Enchie: that sounds about right |
| 12:33.18 | jelly | assuming standard task and the web server thingy |
| 12:33.21 | sashimi | if you have real machine A and virtual machine B, and virtual machine B is hosted on real machine A, is all network traffic on virtual machine B duplicated on real machine A on the way out and back in? |
| 12:33.44 | boudiccas | jelly, ah yes, i remember running this command some time ago, when i first got the drivers installed |
| 12:33.45 | Enchie | thanks guys epic community!! :D |
| 12:34.20 | jiohdi | sashimi: it has to pass through A but what do you mean by duplicated? |
| 12:34.21 | jelly | sashimi: yes, if it goes outside A or comes in from outside. |
| 12:34.23 | sashimi | boudiccas: around that for average |
| 12:34.50 | boudiccas | sashimi, eh? |
| 12:35.18 | sashimi | let's say real machine A is compromised, would network traffic from virtual machine B be traced to real machine A? |
| 12:35.55 | sashimi | would there be record of virtual machine B's network traffic on real machine A? |
| 12:36.09 | gnarface | YES |
| 12:36.12 | gnarface | you're fucked |
| 12:36.14 | Enchie | One other thing could it be possible to do a Net install at work via virtual box on my Laptop, get the exact packages i will need and then somehow doit offline? |
| 12:36.16 | ksk | if your hardwarenode is owned youre fucked. |
| 12:36.47 | boudiccas | jelly, right, going down for a reboot, thanks |
| 12:37.32 | johskar | how would that work if the network card in the vm is a physical card forwarded to the vm (as with iommu or intel's equivalent?) |
| 12:37.36 | jelly | sashimi: of course. |
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| 12:38.22 | sashimi | ksk: so if I go to www.google.com in the vm, the packet will be logged in the real machine too? |
| 12:39.01 | jelly | sashimi: how else could it appear on your real internet connection |
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| 12:39.21 | jelly | magic? friendship? |
| 12:39.34 | sashimi | jelly: I don't know, I'm tired and intoxicated, you tell me |
| 12:39.41 | sashimi | random though |
| 12:39.44 | sashimi | thought |
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| 12:39.56 | sashimi | maybe a magical friendship |
| 12:40.04 | sashimi | that's what I'll believe |
| 12:40.10 | gnarface | http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_871872&feature=iv&src_vid=h5EofwRzit0&v=c1QT4VnbQE0 |
| 12:40.16 | gnarface | :) |
| 12:40.18 | sashimi | my VMs and HW are magical friends |
| 12:40.24 | jelly | sashimi: EVERYTHING that happens in the vm, happens on the real machine |
| 12:40.29 | sashimi | gnarface: what's that? |
| 12:40.37 | sashimi | jelly: that was my question :) |
| 12:40.54 | gnarface | sashimi: something that will make you shake your bootay |
| 12:41.20 | sashimi | is it someone shaking their bootay? |
| 12:41.31 | gnarface | sashimi: no it is music. forget all your problems and just shake your bootay |
| 12:41.51 | sashimi | aww man |
| 12:42.03 | sashimi | I forgot about my problems till you mentioned them |
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| 12:42.12 | sashimi | now they're in my head again |
| 12:42.22 | gnarface | sorry |
| 12:42.25 | sashimi | $900 in repairs to my main car |
| 12:42.32 | gnarface | maybe turn the volume up on the music? |
| 12:42.46 | sashimi | the other car starts about 33% the time |
| 12:42.54 | sashimi | and has no AC |
| 12:43.30 | sashimi | thank god sys admins make decent money |
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| 12:43.52 | sashimi | you know what sounds good? |
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| 12:43.59 | sashimi | pistachios and chocolate |
| 12:44.20 | sashimi | like if there was a chocolate ice cream with pistachio flavor and real pistachios in it |
| 12:44.25 | koollman | sashimi: I would have said raw fish sliced in pieces ;) |
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| 12:44.31 | sashimi | like ben n jerrys pistachio pistachio |
| 12:44.38 | sashimi | but with chocolate |
| 12:44.46 | sashimi | koollman: that too |
| 12:44.54 | sashimi | with a giant wad of wasabi |
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| 12:45.22 | sashimi | I once gave a guy a big wad of wasabi on a tortilla chip and told him it was guacamole |
| 12:45.29 | sashimi | he doesn't talk to me anymore |
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| 12:45.40 | Wezyke | Ola bruda |
| 12:45.54 | sashimi | who are you calling bruda? |
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| 12:46.13 | Wezyke | sashimi bro ola |
| 12:46.18 | boudiccas | jelly, thanks, i'm back in business again :) |
| 12:46.29 | sashimi | gouda sounds good too |
| 12:46.33 | sashimi | chocolate gouda |
| 12:46.38 | sashimi | with bacon |
| 12:46.49 | Wezyke | I am Ongawezyr Da Holyness |
| 12:46.56 | sashimi | is anyone taking this down? |
| 12:47.02 | sashimi | these are good ideas |
| 12:47.14 | sashimi | I'm helping the next entrepeneur |
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| 12:47.37 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 12:47.38 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 12:48.08 | Wezyke | Ahh jelly bro:D |
| 12:48.12 | sashimi | jelly: yeah yeah |
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| 12:48.33 | sashimi | jelly: what does ian murdoch do these days? |
| 12:48.36 | Wezyke | Misunderstood. |
| 12:48.51 | sashimi | Wezyke: he was talking to me |
| 12:48.56 | catalinb | Hello |
| 12:49.17 | Wezyke | I am Ongawezyr Da Holyness, favor of Allah, protector of Faith and Glory:D |
| 12:49.18 | sashimi | catalinb: irc through adium? |
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| 12:49.28 | catalinb | sashimi: yes |
| 12:49.29 | Wezyke | Ola catalinb |
| 12:49.41 | Enchie | Hey guys another question :) Would it be possible to do a Net Install of Debian on a Virtual Box and then use that install configuration(packages) for my own Debian ISO? |
| 12:49.45 | sashimi | Wezyke: what's your mother tongue? |
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| 12:50.01 | Enchie | like my own version of a debian ISO |
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| 12:50.18 | sashimi | sure you can make your own debian distro |
| 12:50.28 | Wezyke | sashimi: I am come from Hungary |
| 12:50.32 | sashimi | look at how many derivatives there are in the debian family tree |
| 12:50.36 | jelly | Enchie: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 12:51.05 | Wezyke | Domo, Arigato |
| 12:51.09 | jelly | sashimi: really, move the chat to #debian-offtopic if there are tech support questions here. |
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| 12:51.41 | sashimi | jelly: nah, I'm about to jump off, I need like an hour of sleep before work, it was good talking with you though |
| 12:52.01 | sashimi | peace out |
| 12:52.47 | Enchie | jelly, Know any guides or any information on doing this? can't find anything on google :( |
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| 12:53.25 | jelly | Enchie: um, you're supposed to type that in your irc client and read the private answer from the bot |
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| 12:53.43 | catalinb | I'm working on a wheezy 64-bit which has been upgraded from squeeze. I need to fix some link errors for a 32-bit build. On squeeze, I had the 32-bit libs install through ia32-libs. What has changed on wheezy? How do I get -lglib-2.0 to work for both the 32-bit and the 64-bit builds? |
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| 12:54.18 | metala | 15:54 <metala> rot13 asd |
| 12:54.18 | metala | 15:54 <dpkg> nfq |
| 12:54.20 | metala | nice |
| 12:54.23 | Enchie | jelly, rofl |
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| 12:55.04 | catalinb | Trying to install libglib-2.0-dev:i386 tries to remove some of the amd64 libs, which breaks my 64-bit build. |
| 12:55.08 | Enchie | jelly, awesome thanks! :) |
| 12:55.09 | rvankleeck | looking for some direction on where to look to solve an issue: I am setting up openldap/kerberos on wheezy. I can create users in openldap using kadmin, can use kinit to authenticate correctly, but actually can't actually get the OS to authenticate against ldap/kerberos |
| 12:55.17 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell catalinb about multiarch |
| 12:55.34 | rvankleeck | neither id nor su - <user> fidn the user I created in ldap |
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| 12:56.34 | catalinb | ChrisH: thanks |
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| 12:57.10 | rvankleeck | and now I can't authenticate at all with local users either...great... |
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| 12:58.42 | rvankleeck | fuck... |
| 12:58.47 | rvankleeck | woops...wrong windows |
| 12:58.51 | rvankleeck | sorry bout that... |
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| 13:01.55 | rvankleeck | see...this is why I leave a root session open at home... |
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| 13:08.59 | catalinb | How do I find 'held broken packages'? |
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| 13:10.13 | catalinb | while trying to install libglib2.0:i386 -> http://pastebin.com/Uj36B2QE |
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| 13:12.19 | jelly | catalinb: which debian release are you using, and what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:12.42 | ChrisH | ,v cli-common |
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| 13:12.44 | judd | Package: cli-common on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.1; jessie: 0.8.2; sid: 0.8.2; wheezy: 0.8.2 |
| 13:12.52 | ChrisH | Depends: cli-common:i386 (>= 0.5.6) but it is not installable |
| 13:13.00 | ChrisH | looks a bit strange. |
| 13:13.09 | catalinb | debian wheezy |
| 13:13.26 | tralala | catalinb, your sources? |
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| 13:14.35 | catalinb | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 13:14.35 | catalinb | deb-src http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 13:14.35 | catalinb | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 13:14.35 | catalinb | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 13:14.42 | jelly | catalinb: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev libglib2.0-dev:i386" |
| 13:14.45 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:14.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:15.24 | jelly | eh |
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| 13:15.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell catalinb about paste |
| 13:15.51 | jelly | catalinb: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev libglib2.0-dev:i386" |
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| 13:16.29 | catalinb | sources.list: http://pastebin.com/ARPqhPTy |
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| 13:17.01 | tralala | catalinb, try aptitude search ~b (for broken packages) |
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| 13:17.48 | catalinb | apt-cache policy : http://pastebin.com/nY8SsPYp |
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| 13:18.35 | tralala | catalinb, also see: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 13:18.49 | boudiccas | with a fluxbox DE, 'docky' has a space above it of approximately 1" of "dead space" where urxvt and tmux commands do not respond to mouse clicks, 'cairo-dock' does not have this dead space but locks up the 'workspace shifter' at the top of the screen. 'avant-window-navigator' doesnt have the dead space, nor lock up the workspace shifter, but the weather icon doesnt work! arrghh! |
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| 13:20.03 | jiohdi | boudiccas: I am using i3 with an lxpanel |
| 13:20.07 | catalinb | I got some python broken packages and some broken gtkglex and libxcb packages. |
| 13:20.43 | tralala | catalinb, start aptitude and see what suggestions it will give you for fixing the broken packages |
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| 13:21.06 | jelly | catalinb: looks reasonable. I guess -dev packages are not multiarch-ready yet. If you need to build 32bit binaries, I guess using a 32bit chroot. |
| 13:21.20 | jelly | can be an option. |
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| 13:22.17 | catalinb | jelly: shouldn't the -dev packages be cross platform? |
| 13:22.36 | boudiccas | jiohdi, i'm trying to get fluxbox with a more meaningfull weather report, without using compiz, bastard thing that it is! i've tried all 3 of the launchers i mentioned, but they all have different little problems |
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| 13:23.10 | jelly | catalinb: perhaps, but this particular one is not at this time. |
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| 13:31.55 | catalinb | jelly, tralala: thank you for your help. |
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| 13:48.36 | asteriskATmarmuD | I got some DNS problems on my debian 7. nslookup host.foo.bar works, but ping host.foo.bar won't. I set my DNS servers in resolv.conf. Any hints? |
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| 13:50.45 | Mackwerk | Hey! I am having some trouble with cron, I have it run a python script every 1 minutes, but if a condition is met in the script it'll take longer than 1 minute to run and cron will stop the process and start a new one. Is there a way to work around it? Also I thought the normal procedure for cron was to just spawn a new process and run both concurrently? |
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| 13:51.08 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: check /etc/nsswitch.conf before we dig into something else |
| 13:51.18 | ksk | Mackwerk: implement locking /make sure only one copy runs at a time in the script itself? |
| 13:51.27 | Mackwerk | ksk, I did that already |
| 13:51.40 | ksk | so you have no problem? |
| 13:51.47 | metala | cron kills the previous process? |
| 13:51.51 | Mackwerk | metala, exactly |
| 13:51.57 | ksk | no? |
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| 13:52.00 | metala | wth.. didn't expect that |
| 13:52.18 | ksk | that is you scripts fault, cron does not do that (im kinda sure :P ) |
| 13:53.00 | Mackwerk | ksk, I thought so as well, but I don't have any exits or anything in the script if it's locked |
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| 13:53.04 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: nsswitch.conf hosts: files wins (I guess I need wins since this is a samba 3 PDC?) |
| 13:53.22 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: there is dns missing |
| 13:53.26 | Perdu | Maybe just try running your script as a background process? (&) |
| 13:53.57 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: omg, just read the out commented line above in nsswitch.conf... my fault! thanks for the quick hint |
| 13:54.18 | metala | Mackwerk: you may try starting the script iwth strace |
| 13:54.26 | metala | and writing the stderr and out to files |
| 13:54.45 | Mackwerk | metala, do you have an example I can try with? |
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| 13:55.31 | metala | http://timetobleed.com/hello-world/ |
| 13:55.34 | metala | take a look at this |
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| 13:55.50 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: youre welcome |
| 13:55.58 | Mackwerk | metala, thanks :) |
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| 13:56.42 | metala | it is called strace <executable> <executable args/opts> >/path/to/stdout 2>/path/to/stderr/file |
| 13:57.13 | Mackwerk | metala, thanks :) |
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| 13:59.19 | Seemi | Hey guys, so i just followed this guide http://www.howtogeek.com/51237/setting-up-a-vpn-pptp-server-on-debian/ to setup a pptp connection, i can connect perfectly but i don't get an internal IP address från the pptp network. i get the external IP.. Which is no good since i need to access a machine that is on local only access. |
| 13:59.30 | Seemi | Anyone that knows why this is? Im using windows 8 btw |
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| 14:00.16 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: counted the chicken, before they hatched :( didn't solve my problem... the strange thing really is that nslookup works and ping won't |
| 14:01.02 | Xentinel | can someone tell me what "memory cgroup support" does? |
| 14:01.34 | ksk | !tell Xentinel about cgroups |
| 14:01.41 | koollman | asteriskATmarmuD: how does ping not work ? can you try : getent hosts host.foo.bar ? |
| 14:01.42 | ksk | aww. google it then |
| 14:01.59 | koollman | Xentinel: it supports memory for cgroups ;) |
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| 14:02.45 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: Please paste (paste.debian.net) /etc/nsswtich.conf ; nslookup HOST ; ping HOST ; and the getent from koollman please |
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| 14:03.12 | alami | hello, my network adapter don't work, i thing that's firmware Problem 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
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| 14:05.00 | jhutchins | alami: What's the numeric identifier? (lspci -nn) |
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| 14:05.17 | Xentinel | would it be possible to run i.e. 4 different SSH servers on the same host using chroot, on each their individual vNic? |
| 14:05.24 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: will do so in a moment, something "important" just came up :) |
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| 14:06.29 | Brigo | Xentinel: why dont? |
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| 14:07.10 | alami | jhutschnis:02:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05) |
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| 14:07.50 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:4220 |
| 14:07.51 | judd | [8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'ipw2200', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4220 http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 14:08.09 | jhutchins | alami: I don't believe that requires firmware. |
| 14:08.12 | alami | jhutchins: how can i know if some hardware need new firmeware |
| 14:08.44 | jhutchins | alami: Look your chipset up on the web. |
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| 14:08.52 | Brigo | jhutchins: https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200#Installation_via_Debian_Installer |
| 14:09.40 | jhutchins | Brigo: Thanks, but a simple correction would suffice. |
| 14:09.46 | Brigo | jhutchins: it is easy: turn on non-free, apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 wireless-tools |
| 14:09.52 | jhutchins | alami: You DO require firmware, see the page brigo posted. |
| 14:09.57 | jhutchins | Brigo: Not my system. |
| 14:10.22 | Brigo | cant you modify it? |
| 14:10.31 | armin | can i somehow check whether or not the updates that are available for my machine are security-related or not? |
| 14:10.40 | jhutchins | Brigo: Wrong nic. |
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| 14:10.52 | Brigo | jhutchins: upss, sorry :-) |
| 14:11.00 | jhutchins | np |
| 14:11.19 | ChrisH | Mackwerk: I did check and cron does not kill a running process. (Not that I expected that) It simply spawns the next one |
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| 14:12.02 | Mackwerk | I just realized I had a sys.exit(0) hidden away at the exact moment where the script would've run for 1 minute... I'm a retard. Sorry guys! |
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| 14:14.31 | alami | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/UmF60ByA |
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| 14:16.56 | Aivaras | all of my i3 start up apps starts in one workspace. Why is that? http://paste.debian.net/23458/ |
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| 14:18.21 | armin | Aivaras: are those assign statements working when you start them manually afterwards? |
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| 14:18.48 | angs | where is "date" located? |
| 14:18.48 | armin | Aivaras: did you consider #i3 on irc.twice-irc.de ? |
| 14:19.23 | jhutchins | angs: Try "which date". |
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| 14:19.37 | Aivaras | armin, They where working before and now it does not. I would use that other irc server, but since I am on freenode I think I can ask in there. |
| 14:19.47 | Rackmount | angs: Are you referring to the command? |
| 14:20.19 | Rackmount | In Debian Wheezy, it's under /bin last I checked. |
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| 14:21.03 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: here is the paste for my DNS issues: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2be85fdd/ - getent hosts doesn't return any of my DNS servers, since /etc/hosts does not contain DNS servers |
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| 14:22.41 | angs | yes |
| 14:22.51 | angs | the command to change system date |
| 14:22.54 | armin | Aivaras: well you can ask, sure, but don't expect to get an answer here. over there in #i3 the people *can* help you because they wrote i3, and they're willing to help you with stuff like that. |
| 14:23.13 | angs | thanks Rackmount |
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| 14:23.54 | jhutchins | asteriskATmarmuD: The hosts file shouldn't be where DNS servers are defined, that's in /etc/resolv.conf, which is dynamically updated by dhclient. |
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| 14:24.48 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: replace the hosts line in nsswitch.conf as follows: hosts: files dns mdns4 wins #what ever mdns is... I never used it. |
| 14:25.17 | armin | hm, it seems pretty awkward to me that packages on hold are displayed in the "The following packages will be upgraded:" list without any special marker whatsoever. |
| 14:25.35 | ChrisH | jhutchins,asteriskATmarmuD getent hosts and ping not working as the same root cause. incorrect hosts line in nsswitch.conf |
| 14:26.21 | jhutchins | ChrisH: Yep. |
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| 14:33.00 | ksk | hey. is there something as "-no" for aptitude compared to "-y"? |
| 14:33.25 | ChrisH | ksk: -s like similuate? |
| 14:34.32 | ksk | nope, i have hosts where there are no questions, these should run. i have hosts where there will be questions, i want aptitude to "exit 1" or sth on that cases |
| 14:34.38 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: yeah, I might have messed up nsswitch due to several reasons... but still with "hosts: files dns mdns4 wins" no luck... |
| 14:35.13 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: remove this mdns thing and pastebin the same as before please. |
| 14:35.33 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: my line has hosts: files [NOTFOUND=continue] dns |
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| 14:36.48 | twobitsprite | for some reason "aptitude install -f" wants to install exim4. When I do "aptitude why exim4" it says it's because popcon recommends exim4 | mail-transport-agent, but I have postfix installed which provides mail-transport-agent.... any ideas what I should do? I'd be happy to pastebin whatever you all want to see |
| 14:37.04 | moxie | on my system apache and mysql get OOM killed all the time for no apparent reason |
| 14:37.10 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: copied yours, does not work. something is really f***** |
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| 14:37.33 | justaguy | i'm installing debian on a pentium 4 |
| 14:37.40 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: is there a process named nscd running? unsure if this is active on Linux/debian |
| 14:37.43 | justaguy | it asks me to chose a kernel |
| 14:37.44 | justaguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.44 | justaguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.50 | justaguy | *en = and |
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| 14:38.23 | Rackmount | justaguy: Looks about right. P4 is a 32-bit processor based on x486. |
| 14:38.46 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: continue is the default action for NOTFOUND, so specifying it there is redundant |
| 14:38.52 | justaguy | so linux-image-486 |
| 14:38.54 | justaguy | ? |
| 14:38.55 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: not to be pedanting, just fyi :) |
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| 14:39.00 | Rackmount | If you have more than 2GB of RAM, you'll want the PAE (Physical Address Extension) kernel. |
| 14:39.02 | twobitsprite | pedantic* :P |
| 14:39.13 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: yes, nscd is running. I thought it might not since I did 2 reboots today... |
| 14:39.15 | justaguy | nope only 256 MB :p |
| 14:39.31 | Rackmount | justaguy: then the non-PAE kernel should be appropriate. |
| 14:39.44 | ChrisH | twobitsprite: IIRC HPUX was different and I like sometimes the more detailled way :) |
| 14:39.50 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: kill nscd and retry |
| 14:39.53 | justaguy | okay |
| 14:39.54 | asteriskATmarmuD | twobitsprite: :) I've only seen NOTFOUND=return... what ever that means ;) |
| 14:39.57 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: fair enough :) |
| 14:40.05 | twobitsprite | asteriskATmarmuD: it means "don't continue" :) |
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| 14:41.14 | moxie | but it has plenty of ram free wheneve ri look |
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| 14:41.32 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: ok, that did the trick! I got some memory of needing that service for samba as a PDC... but I might be wrong here again :) |
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| 14:42.41 | moxie | is it normal for apache or mysql to randomly get OOM killed w hen there is plenty of memory |
| 14:42.53 | twobitsprite | moxie: it probably ramps up RAM usage quickly and dies from OOM so you just aren't catching it with your free command |
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| 14:43.00 | joaocfernandes | hi everyone i need to make packet headers diagrams for ipv4, arp udp etc etc , what application would you use for that? |
| 14:43.09 | moxie | twobitsprite, how do i figure that out |
| 14:43.22 | twobitsprite | moxie: you could install munin or something to graph memory usage |
| 14:43.23 | Xentinel | I'm trying to create my first lxc container here, and it's giving me loads of "mount: permission denied" while starting up, is this normal? |
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| 14:43.31 | ChrisH | asteriskATmarmuD: nscd on Solaris does the restart automagically if you touch /etc/nsswitch.con ... but nscd tended to make trouble |
| 14:43.37 | moxie | that wont help me make it stop |
| 14:43.53 | twobitsprite | moxie: it would help you figure out if it's actually running out of memory |
| 14:44.11 | moxie | i assume the kernel is killing them for some reason |
| 14:44.35 | twobitsprite | moxie: is your question "how do I see if it's actually running out of memory?" or is it "assuming they are running out memory, how do I stop them from using all the memory?" |
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| 14:45.10 | moxie | well, why is it apache or mysql |
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| 14:46.01 | asteriskATmarmuD | ChrisH: TIL delete crap out of nsswitch.conf and restart nscd. awesome! :D |
| 14:46.18 | twobitsprite | moxie: IIRC linux will kill the first process which does a malloc() for more memory than is available... so if you get to the point where you have, say, only 5k RAM left, and mysql malloc()'s 6k, linux kills that |
| 14:46.32 | moxie | right |
| 14:46.56 | koollman | twobitsprite: it's a bit more complex than that |
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| 14:47.00 | twobitsprite | moxie: but it could be any random process which happens to fail the malloc call... you could have mysql using 90% of the memory, but if it's your 'ls' command that first tries to malloc, it'll be the process to get killed |
| 14:47.05 | koollman | but it is one of the thing that can happen |
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| 14:47.40 | koollman | (in particular, it does starts the OOM when memory becomes tight, so another process using more ram may die first) |
| 14:47.41 | twobitsprite | koollman: right, but generally the process getting killed is the one using the most RAM, but you're right, there is some more logic to it, but in effect that's basically what you'll see happen |
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| 14:48.10 | koollman | I usually disable this behaviour, though. I prefer having more predictible systems |
| 14:48.31 | twobitsprite | koollman: wouldn't you just start getting segfaults/etc when you run out of RAM? |
| 14:48.46 | koollman | malloc would return NULL. the program has to handle that or crash |
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| 14:48.48 | moxie | hrm |
| 14:48.55 | moxie | 'could not make child process exist' |
| 14:48.58 | moxie | apache says |
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| 14:49.01 | koollman | (you can disable memory overcommiting. then it is much less optimistic about malloc calls and memory usage) |
| 14:49.37 | koollman | (sterile apache, heh?) |
| 14:49.58 | twobitsprite | *groan* :P |
| 14:50.24 | twobitsprite | moxie: what does free -m say under the 'free' column on the '-/+ buffers/cache' line? |
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| 14:51.13 | koollman | moxie: isn't there another error near that line ? |
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| 14:54.38 | moxie | no |
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| 14:56.14 | moxie | i have a crap ton of 'child process still did not exist' |
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| 14:56.47 | moxie | looks like that is when i try to have it do a nightly restart |
| 14:56.50 | moxie | it takes 38 minutes before it kills them |
| 14:57.10 | twobitsprite | moxie: are you on a virtual machine? |
| 14:57.14 | moxie | yea |
| 14:57.20 | justaguy | Why do some linux users think having a big uptime is the same as a big penis |
| 14:57.30 | twobitsprite | moxie: do you know if the memory for that vm is thin provisioned? |
| 14:57.46 | zmode | justaguy: it's better than that |
| 14:57.47 | moxie | it isnt |
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| 14:58.13 | koollman | justaguy: it's not. it's just that you last longer. Er... ;) |
| 14:58.19 | twobitsprite | justaguy: why do some people have to make comparisons between something worth being proud of and something trivial and barbaric like penis size? |
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| 14:58.31 | babilen | could we stop it right here? |
| 14:58.58 | moxie | twobitsprite, hmm well it has 1GB it it wasnt 'reserved'...none of the other vms have reserved memory |
| 14:59.25 | twobitsprite | moxie: do you run the host system too? |
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| 15:00.09 | justaguy | sorry twobitsprite :s |
| 15:00.24 | koollman | moxie: what kind of vm system is it ? vmware, xen, something else ? (some specific ones like virtuozzo have very precise limitations on maximum process numbers, open files, specific page of ram of some kind0 |
| 15:00.28 | koollman | ) |
| 15:00.34 | moxie | its mysql and apache |
| 15:00.40 | twobitsprite | moxie: 38 minutes to kill apache almost makes me think it might be something like the vm's memory is being swapped out by the host and it's slow to swap back in |
| 15:00.43 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.12 | elsewho | hello |
| 15:01.25 | moxie | twobitsprite, yea, thats what i thought |
| 15:01.41 | moxie | but i thought it would be on the VM |
| 15:01.45 | moxie | it sonly using 98mb memory now |
| 15:01.52 | moxie | and has 1G avail |
| 15:01.58 | twobitsprite | moxie: is it vmware? |
| 15:01.59 | moxie | something is wrong with apache and its bloat |
| 15:02.04 | moxie | i misconfigured apaches bloat |
| 15:02.19 | elsewho | i have installed g++-4.8 and i am compiling a cpp file. it seems it still uses the std lib installation of g++-4.7, how can i properly switch between compilers systemwide? |
| 15:02.29 | elsewho | (header files) |
| 15:02.48 | twobitsprite | moxie: I |
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| 15:03.09 | pagios | hi guys i need to get output of iftop nto a file to see the uplink and downlink in realtime how can i do that? |
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| 15:03.19 | twobitsprite | moxie: I've always found apache to be pretty lean and stable... it's not lighttpd or anything, but it's definitely not websphere or IIS |
| 15:03.28 | twobitsprite | moxie: anyways, check to make sure whatever hypervisor your using isn't ballooning the memory or something like that |
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| 15:05.08 | moxie | it says in the log that it reached max client count |
| 15:05.15 | moxie | i dont see how |
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| 15:12.16 | JordiGH | There's probably no hope of getting llvm3.2 in stable, is there? |
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| 15:12.21 | ealdeguer | Dear all, since my wheezy upgrade, none of my usb peripheral mount anymore ! eventhough they are visible in dmesg |
| 15:12.50 | moxie | you cant mount a camera |
| 15:13.03 | moxie | usually |
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| 15:13.43 | neyder | hi there |
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| 15:14.03 | ealdeguer | moxie: I can't mount nothing, usb drive, usb cdrom player |
| 15:14.04 | el-linedash | [root@webmail ~]# w 16:12:31 up 5 days, 1:07, 2 users, load average: 812095731.15, 1695.62, 247.82 |
| 15:14.07 | el-linedash | :z |
| 15:14.23 | ealdeguer | my usb stick worked just fine on squeeze |
| 15:14.37 | moxie | el-linedash, @_@ |
| 15:14.37 | neyder | i need help with a 3G modem huawei E303C, AT command to change usb-cd behavior doesn't work, or where can i ask? |
| 15:14.43 | el-linedash | moxie, indeed! |
| 15:14.55 | moxie | el-linedash, awesome! |
| 15:19.16 | el-linedash | moxie, live migration of a VPS between a server with hyperthreading and a server without |
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| 15:22.12 | moxie | was it worth it? |
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| 15:30.58 | twobitsprite | so... I'm still stuck on this apt issue... aptitude install -f wants to install exim4, which conflicts with postresql and suggests uninstalling it... when I look at aptitude why exim4 it says popcon recommends exim4 | mail-transport-agent, but postfix provides mail-transport-agent, so why is aptitude trying to install exim4? |
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| 15:31.52 | ksk | how about aptitude remove exim4? does that work? |
| 15:32.00 | iluminator105 | laptop boots into grub after words it stands still |
| 15:32.02 | Xentinel | I'm trying to start an LXC container, could someone clue me in on what's going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/Vmrfb8cv |
| 15:32.10 | twobitsprite | ksk: just says 0 packages installed/updated/removed |
| 15:32.30 | el-linedash | moxie, totally.. I just hit a 5 minute average of two trillion seven hundred six billion five hundred forty-seven million nine hundred twenty-three thousand eight hundred fifteen |
| 15:32.31 | ksk | but an update wants to install exim4? mhm... |
| 15:32.34 | iluminator105 | unable to boot into livecd too |
| 15:32.40 | themill | twobitsprite: you can have exim4 and postgresql installed at the same time -- that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 15:33.01 | twobitsprite | themill: er, sorry, postfix... |
| 15:33.07 | themill | ah |
| 15:33.27 | moxie | Xentinel, dont you have to do something with proc and/or sys and/or dev binds |
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| 15:34.15 | moxie | Xentinel, well it also looks like your lxc user somehow doesnt become root in the container? |
| 15:34.37 | twobitsprite | ksk: also, install -f complains about unmet depends but only says postfix, exim4-daemon-light and exim4-config all conflict with "mail-transport-agent which is a virtual package." |
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| 15:34.41 | Xentinel | moxie, I simply followed the LXC page on wiki.debian |
| 15:34.47 | themill | twobitsprite: what does "aptitude search ~nexim4" show? |
| 15:34.53 | Perdu | I copied my flawed HDD to a new disk, but my grub does not work on the new disk. Can anyone confirm that the following procedure will correct that without problem? : 1. boot on old disk 2. mount and chroot on new disk 3. run grub-install /dev/<new-disk> |
| 15:34.57 | moxie | Xentinel, ive never tried lxc |
| 15:35.24 | Xentinel | moxie, yeah I'm not sure what's up with that, the command is run as root, but I don't get why the container itself isn't root, I'll look into the proc stuff, thanks |
| 15:35.40 | twobitsprite | themill: hmm, exim4-base has a capital "B" next to it, never seen that before... the rest are either just "p" or "v" |
| 15:35.51 | twobitsprite | themill: want me to pastebin? |
| 15:36.05 | ksk | is jessie == sid right now? im totally confused.. system with "jessy" in sources-lists just looks like my sid system over here |
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| 15:37.15 | themill | twobitsprite: B package will be broken by other scheduled actions |
| 15:37.22 | moxie | Xentinel, https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 15:37.34 | twobitsprite | themill: awesome... how would I find out what's breaking it? |
| 15:37.46 | Xentinel | moxie, yes that's what I'm following |
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| 15:38.11 | themill | twobitsprite: (or package has broken dependencies, depending on whether it's a "state" or an "action" flag.) |
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| 15:38.20 | twobitsprite | ksk: no, jessie is the current testing release? |
| 15:38.26 | Xentinel | moxie, I think it's the optional step "Enable memory cgroup support" that I'm missing |
| 15:38.33 | moxie | looks fun |
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| 15:38.36 | moxie | yea |
| 15:38.38 | ksk | ,versions base-files |
| 15:38.39 | judd | Package: base-files on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0squeeze7; wheezy: 7.1wheezy1; jessie: 7.2; sid: 7.2 |
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| 15:38.41 | themill | twobitsprite: so you want postfix and not exim, correct? |
| 15:38.42 | moxie | i think so as well |
| 15:38.56 | moxie | i chose vms over containers due to networking limitations |
| 15:38.57 | ksk | twobitsprite: you see? so it seems eyerything is right.. |
| 15:39.02 | moxie | iirc |
| 15:39.10 | twobitsprite | themill: ugh... sorry, have to run to a meeting... thanks for the help so far, I'll report in when I get back |
| 15:39.22 | themill | ksk: testing and unstable shouldn't diverge much until the freeze |
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| 15:39.57 | themill | twobitsprite: try an "aptitude install postfix exim4-base_" to see if you can guide aptitude towards happiness. |
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| 15:44.04 | twobitsprite | themill: that did the trick, thanks |
| 15:44.23 | twobitsprite | themill: (meeting was canceled :P) |
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| 15:55.26 | n0c | having some trouble trying to add unstable to my system... I am looking to see what version of cacti is in the unstable distribution |
| 15:55.30 | n0c | wmalik: Failed to fetch http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/dists/wheezy/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'unstable/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 15:55.44 | n0c | wmalik: sorry that was an erroneous nick-complete upon paste |
| 15:56.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0c -about bat |
| 15:56.13 | n0c | should i enter sid not 'unstable' in the sources.list? |
| 15:56.27 | babilen | n0c: What are you trying to do? Could you paste your entire sources.list ? |
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| 15:57.29 | babilen | judd: v cacti |
| 15:57.30 | judd | Package: cacti on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.7g-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.8.7g-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.8a+dfsg-5; jessie: 0.8.8a+dfsg-7; sid: 0.8.8a+dfsg-7 |
| 15:57.58 | n0c | babilen: simply want to add another distribution to my system |
| 15:58.01 | n0c | deb http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free sid |
| 15:58.07 | n0c | i tried sid but get the same error |
| 15:58.17 | n0c | perhaps the repos i'm using do not contain the unstable or sid distributions |
| 15:58.37 | babilen | n0c: Why do you want to do that? We generally strongly discourage users from doing that as it typically breaks their systems (or they end up running sid which is not the best of ideas on a production system) |
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| 15:59.44 | babilen | n0c: That entry is wrong - It would be "deb http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free", but I wouldn't recommend to add that. What are you trying to achieve? Why don't you want to track stable anymore? |
| 15:59.45 | n0c | i have apt set to use only stable distribution |
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| 15:59.56 | n0c | i only want to try out a package or two from unstable |
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| 16:00.26 | babilen | n0c: Yes, that setup is strongly discouraged by us as it typically breaks the system rather sooner than later. Can you please tell me what you are trying to achieve? |
| 16:00.29 | n0c | babilen: don't I also need wheezy since I want to maintain primarily a wheezy stable system? |
| 16:00.31 | babilen | Which packages exactly? |
| 16:00.37 | n0c | cacti |
| 16:00.43 | n0c | guess i'll just look at packages.debian.org |
| 16:00.47 | n0c | thanks / nevermind |
| 16:00.53 | babilen | n0c: You would need entries for wheezy and sid, yes. |
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| 16:02.00 | babilen | n0c: As you can see above (judd mentioned earlier, our bot) the upstream release of cacti is the same in wheezy, jessie and sid. The correct way to get hold of newer packages from later releases is by using official backports or by creating backports yourself. |
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| 16:03.02 | babilen | n0c: So, please don't mix stable with anything but backports and, in particular, not with packages from either testing or unstable. If you do you will no longer be able to get support from us and I wouldn't expect your system to survive for long. |
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| 16:04.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0c -about backports |
| 16:04.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0c -about ssb |
| 16:05.34 | babilen | n0c: Our bot send you further information about backports. Let me know if you have further questions. |
| 16:05.36 | n0c | maybe it's in proposed-updates |
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| 16:05.44 | babilen | n0c: What is? |
| 16:05.47 | babilen | judd: v cacti |
| 16:05.48 | judd | Package: cacti on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.7g-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.8.7g-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.8a+dfsg-5; jessie: 0.8.8a+dfsg-7; sid: 0.8.8a+dfsg-7 |
| 16:05.58 | n0c | cacti .88b |
| 16:06.40 | babilen | n0c: ^^^ here have a look. All of them have the same upstream version (0.8.8a). You can install that already on wheezy *right now* -- The Debian version is slightly different and I haven't checked the changelog, but that wouldn't get you a newer cacti version anyway. |
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| 16:07.35 | babilen | n0c: That version has not been packaged. And the version in stable won't change as "not changing" is *exactly* the meaning of "stable" in Debian. That's the whole point of our stable releases. They don't change. They are stable. |
| 16:07.43 | n0c | thank you |
| 16:08.05 | n0c | i have .8.8a installed |
| 16:08.06 | babilen | n0c: You would have to use backports if you want newer versions, but as the version you want has not been packaged yet you cannot backport it. |
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| 16:08.12 | n0c | i just grabbed the source distribution :) |
| 16:08.27 | n0c | which is the recommended way to run cacti anyway |
| 16:08.35 | babilen | Why did you install 0.8.8a from source? |
| 16:08.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0c -about usrlocal |
| 16:08.47 | n0c | just didn't want to 'un-do' the debian customized tweaks re: apache, etc |
| 16:08.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0c -about stow usage |
| 16:08.58 | n0c | i did not install 88a from source |
| 16:09.05 | n0c | it's the debian stable package |
| 16:09.10 | n0c | 88b is what's from source now |
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| 16:09.52 | babilen | Ah, fair enough. I'd recommend to install that into /usr/local (or rather /usr/local/stow/cacti-0.8.8b) and manage that installation with stow. |
| 16:10.11 | n0c | cacti isn't technically compiled |
| 16:10.14 | n0c | it's all php |
| 16:10.18 | babilen | n0c: Note that we cannot support that cacti installation and that you would have to continue this in #cacti |
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| 16:10.27 | n0c | you just unpack the distribution and go from there |
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| 16:10.32 | n0c | yeah, thanks |
| 16:10.49 | n0c | stow is neat thanks for the info |
| 16:10.53 | babilen | np |
| 16:11.09 | babilen | Anything else I can do for you? |
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| 16:12.47 | n0c | no thx |
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| 16:14.24 | cyrano | how can i prepare a usb stick? i'd like to use it to install debian 7.1 on my netbook |
| 16:14.52 | cyrano | any link is appreciated |
| 16:15.07 | Th0masR0ss | cyrano: are you on Linux? |
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| 16:15.16 | Th0masR0ss | !tell cyrano about USB install |
| 16:15.36 | cyrano | Th0masR0ss: currently i'm on OSX but i can use the shell if needed |
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| 16:18.16 | Th0masR0ss | cyrano: elinux has a good guide but its for an sd card. Not much difference. http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_command_line_tools_.281.29 |
| 16:18.43 | cyrano | Th0masR0ss: thanks a lot |
| 16:18.44 | Th0masR0ss | cyrano: it's even for OS X. |
| 16:18.50 | Th0masR0ss | cyrano: no problem |
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| 16:19.39 | theseb | help! can't seem to get nautilus+MIME settting right for .tex files.....nautilus can open them with "Open With" but not using the default "Open"..why? |
| 16:20.44 | Th0masR0ss | theseb: try #nautilus on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:21.00 | theseb | there is no nautilus channel |
| 16:21.24 | theseb | i'll try your 2nd |
| 16:21.32 | Th0masR0ss | theseb: on irc.gnome.org, not freenode. |
| 16:21.42 | theseb | ah |
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| 16:29.09 | d0m | hi |
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| 16:29.37 | DrakkenWarr | o7 |
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| 16:34.58 | d0m | I have a strange issue with e1000 intel nics |
| 16:35.00 | d0m | gig-e |
| 16:35.41 | d0m | two servers with e1000 gig-e nic (8 cores, 32g so definitly not cpu limited) |
| 16:35.52 | d0m | direct connection between the two cards (cat-6) |
| 16:35.56 | ChrisH | d0m: they do not tend to make problems. |
| 16:36.06 | babilen | not at all |
| 16:36.10 | d0m | iperf: 600mbit throughput |
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| 16:36.35 | d0m | mcp55 onboard and other crappy stuff works at line speed |
| 16:36.36 | ChrisH | 600MBit/s for a 1000MBit/s card is more then I expected |
| 16:36.42 | d0m | ok... |
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| 16:36.50 | d0m | the mcp55 onboard does 900+ |
| 16:37.27 | d0m | balance-rr bond of two does mcp55 1,9 gbit ;) |
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| 16:39.41 | d0m | well |
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| 16:40.00 | d0m | all other cards / chipsets I have here score between 900 and 1000 mbit |
| 16:40.05 | d0m | so something is clearly wrong |
| 16:40.51 | d0m | there are no retransmits, transmission errors, etc |
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| 16:41.38 | d0m | changing MTU, TCP window size, irq coalescing has no effect |
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| 16:44.36 | Rackmount | d0m: I doubt you're actually seeing a full gigabit of throughput. A gigabit NIC, under ideal conditions, can usually only achieve about 800Mb/s. |
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| 16:45.41 | d0m | of course in real world applications it is lower |
| 16:45.54 | d0m | the stuff above is what iperf reports |
| 16:45.59 | ChrisH | d0m: did you create a bond Interface? Did you compare the NICs with the same Switch and testendpoint? Did you tests the NIC in the same (not similar) HW? |
| 16:46.30 | d0m | yep |
| 16:46.42 | d0m | same issue |
| 16:47.04 | Rackmount | d0m: are you using tcp/udp checksum offloading? |
| 16:47.07 | d0m | basically I connected the onboard nic directly to an endpoint |
| 16:47.15 | d0m | and then the e1000 |
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| 16:47.26 | d0m | and both iperf and real performance are much slower |
| 16:47.52 | d0m | Rackmount, let me check, but afaik yes |
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| 16:47.58 | d0m | cpu load is very low |
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| 16:49.04 | Rackmount | d0m: plus, it's important to distinguish between "throughput" and 'bandwidth". Which one is iPerf reporting to you? "Throughput" is bidirectional rating (ie: in a perfectly symmetrical connection, ingress and egress speeds are two halves of the full value). |
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| 16:49.29 | KsM | Is it possible to say, map caps to be both caps and AltGr? I use both alt keys quite frequently, usually for things like changing workspaces, but I don't use caps so much, but still want to keep the functionality of capslock. so caps+another key = AltGr+key and caps alone = caps? |
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| 16:49.47 | KsM | or am I insane |
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| 16:49.53 | d0m | Rackmount, all numbers above are unidirectional |
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| 16:50.30 | SirLagz | What's a good way to manage multiple debian servers in terms of updates / crontabs / installed packages ? |
| 16:51.00 | d0m | hmm |
| 16:51.02 | i4c | is there a way to lock pulseaudio volume to 50% of max and memorize that to all future sessions ? |
| 16:51.11 | d0m | Rackmount, iperf man page says it is measuring throughput... ;) |
| 16:51.33 | Rackmount | d0m: so, you're seeing 600Mb/s of ingress or egress only? If that's the case, I'd agree with ChrisH in saying that is more than I would typically expect. |
| 16:51.46 | i4c | because pulse is always jumping around like crazy in diferent applications |
| 16:53.08 | d0m | Rackmount, well let me check checksum offloading first |
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| 16:53.46 | i4c | i haven't used linux in a long time, but before in alsa and oss these issues weren't there, sound was stable |
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| 16:54.49 | i4c | would any of u recommend going back to alsa ? |
| 16:54.55 | d0m | hm |
| 16:55.07 | d0m | rx-checksumming: off, tx-checksumming: on |
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| 16:56.39 | mtn | i4c: sound levels don't jump around for me |
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| 16:58.15 | d0m | enabling rx-checksum offloading just made things worse |
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| 16:59.30 | i4c | master volume jumps like crazy if i switch from vlc to html5 or flash, in alsa master volume was locked to whatever i picked |
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| 17:00.29 | SmashingX | hey guys when I execute the command sudo ifdown eth1 it shows me an error saying this: ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 17:00.54 | SirLagz | SmashingX, it means that eth1 is already ifdown-ed |
| 17:01.03 | SmashingX | ????? |
| 17:01.15 | SirLagz | it means that you don't need to run ifdown eth1 |
| 17:01.20 | SirLagz | because it's not up |
| 17:01.25 | SmashingX | It's no tup? |
| 17:01.30 | SmashingX | not up!!!? |
| 17:01.36 | SmashingX | but that's the one I'm using to connect |
| 17:01.42 | SmashingX | so, how I'm connected then? |
| 17:01.57 | d0m | Rackmount, in a bidirectional test (iperf -d) the ingress / egress sum up to around 500 mbit |
| 17:01.57 | SirLagz | I don't know lol... |
| 17:02.03 | SirLagz | SmashingX, not using eth0 ? |
| 17:02.08 | SmashingX | no |
| 17:02.12 | SmashingX | I'm using eth1 |
| 17:02.13 | SmashingX | only |
| 17:02.14 | bramwelt | SmashingX: It means that ifconfig is not setup to work with it. I assume you are running networkmanager? |
| 17:02.29 | SirLagz | or what bramwelt said |
| 17:02.29 | SmashingX | yes |
| 17:02.32 | SmashingX | network manager |
| 17:02.42 | SirLagz | forgot about network manager lol |
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| 17:02.58 | bramwelt | SmashingX: If the interface is _not_ listed in /etc/network/interfaces then it is under networkmanager's control. |
| 17:02.58 | SmashingX | so how can I fix that? |
| 17:03.12 | SmashingX | if I do sudo ifconfig |
| 17:03.15 | SmashingX | I see it there |
| 17:03.16 | bramwelt | You have to declare it in /etc/network/interfaces. 'man interfaces' should help you do that. |
| 17:03.22 | bramwelt | Right. |
| 17:03.23 | SirLagz | SmashingX, what do you want to do exactly ? |
| 17:03.47 | SmashingX | SirLagz: I want to run this command sudo ifdown eth1; sudo ifup eth1 |
| 17:03.53 | SirLagz | Why ? |
| 17:04.02 | SmashingX | because.. |
| 17:04.04 | SirLagz | Do you just want to take down the interface and bring it back up? |
| 17:04.11 | Rackmount | d0m: Hmmm... maybe it's an issue with the driver? |
| 17:04.37 | SirLagz | SmashingX, sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo ifconfig eth0 up will bring it down, then back up again |
| 17:04.40 | d0m | well I already tried to load e1000 with debug=16 or something like this |
| 17:04.48 | d0m | nothing bad showed up in the messages |
| 17:04.49 | SmashingX | because when I execute this command sudo ip route add ......... I get this error RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 17:04.58 | d0m | so I am a bit lost on what to try next |
| 17:05.07 | SmashingX | and I read on google that that can be the solution |
| 17:05.52 | Rackmount | d0m: If you're getting aggregate throughput of 500Mb/s, I wouldn't expect it to be quite that low. The average aggregate throughput I see on most Gb interfaces is around 700Mb/s. |
| 17:06.05 | SirLagz | SmashingX, so are you trying to add an extra route on eth1 ? |
| 17:06.07 | SmashingX | I know that SirLagz |
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| 17:06.23 | Rackmount | and that's in very busy networks. |
| 17:06.25 | SmashingX | I don't know I'm just trying to follow a debian manual |
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| 17:06.43 | SirLagz | SmashingX, follow a debian manual to do what ? |
| 17:06.44 | SmashingX | SirLagz: I'm trying to follow this manual |
| 17:06.49 | SmashingX | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
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| 17:07.01 | SmashingX | look in : ip route add VPNSERVER_IP via LOCALGATEWAY_IP dev eth0 proto static |
| 17:07.04 | SirLagz | ahh, you're trying to setup a VPN ? |
| 17:07.08 | SmashingX | no |
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| 17:07.22 | SmashingX | Im trying to Forward traffic via VPN |
| 17:07.30 | SmashingX | I'm already connected to a commercial VPN |
| 17:07.31 | SirLagz | Righto, that's what I meant. sorry |
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| 17:07.48 | sashman | hi |
| 17:08.18 | sashman | does anybody can tell me how i can get my laptop into sleep mode (wheezy) |
| 17:08.19 | SmashingX | but on the client side SirLagz |
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| 17:08.40 | d0m | Rackmount, well what I was aiming for is the performance I get out of the nvidia onboard nic |
| 17:08.59 | d0m | which is more like 800 to 900 |
| 17:09.09 | SirLagz | SmashingX, right under those 2 ip route commands - there's this - "If you use graphical client generally you may not need to execute these command." |
| 17:09.13 | d0m | but then again it is maybe unfair to compare a PCIe with PCI-X |
| 17:09.24 | d0m | although PCI-X should have enough bandwith for one card ... |
| 17:09.35 | SirLagz | Since you're using Network Manager, which is a graphical client...maybe you won't need to run those commands |
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| 17:09.49 | SmashingX | I know that SirLagz I saw it but I'm using network manager, not a GUI provided by my VPN provider |
| 17:10.02 | Rackmount | d0m: there could be some hardware limitation in place, but I still wouldn't expect the overall throughput to be that low. Maybe the NIC manufacturer doesn't have a full implementation of the Intel spec? |
| 17:10.21 | SirLagz | SmashingX, can you run "ip route" and see if it mentions the VPN ip address ? |
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| 17:10.29 | SmashingX | SirLagz: "maybe" but I see in my network monitor that I have more traffic going to my eth1 than going to my tun0 interface |
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| 17:11.04 | SmashingX | SirLagz: for example right now I have 57K going to eth1 and 46K going to tun0 |
| 17:11.23 | SmashingX | SirLagz: so, there's obviously some traffic that is not going to the VPN |
| 17:11.50 | tete_ | hi, can someone help me with the installer? i want to use an encrypted lvm which contains / and swap, but i dont want to enter the password two times so i am wondering whats the correct order - first create the lvm, create in the lvm my groups and then select "configure encrypted volumes" or first configure encrypted volumes and then the lvm |
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| 17:12.07 | d0m | Rackmount, afaik these are intel cards ;) |
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| 17:12.25 | d0m | but this seems to be a driver issue, just found some similar reports for RHEL where people never resolved this |
| 17:12.28 | SirLagz | SmashingX, how are you connected to the VPN ? |
| 17:12.43 | d0m | guess I will just get some new PCIe cards |
| 17:13.00 | d0m | thanks for your input |
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| 17:13.18 | SmashingX | SirLagz: using OpenVPN |
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| 17:13.32 | SirLagz | over ethernet ? |
| 17:13.45 | SirLagz | or a different NIC ? |
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| 17:15.23 | i4c | any way to lock sound in the xfce volume control ? it is called mixer |
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| 17:16.05 | d0m | bbl |
| 17:16.39 | little_bit | hi, I have compiled and installed ruby from source and since this is my first time installing from source, how do I uninstall something that has been compiled from source |
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| 17:19.20 | mtn | little_bit: dpends on how you installed it. |
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| 17:20.12 | tete_ | can someone help me? i cant even delete the partition layout i created, it says something uses my crypto lvm |
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| 17:21.35 | tete_ | little_bit, when you do a "make install" then just do a "make uninstall" |
| 17:21.57 | tete_ | but you have to let the src folder stay somewhere on your disk, dont know where exactly the information comes from (what is where installed) |
| 17:22.12 | tete_ | guess its some file that gets generated, maybe even the configure script |
| 17:22.54 | tete_ | if you dont want to have the folder on your disk, create a .deb - then you can simply use the package management |
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| 17:23.34 | little_bit | tete_: thank you for the tip |
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| 17:23.56 | tete_ | someone who can help me with my partition problem? |
| 17:24.22 | khronosschoty | what kind of problem are you having? |
| 17:24.33 | khronosschoty | tete? |
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| 17:24.53 | vassilis | @tete_ why dont you try using a live cd and try to install another linux version and after unistalling it? |
| 17:24.59 | tete_ | i cant delete the lvm i created - i want to use a encrypted lvm to enter the password once when i boot the machine, not twice and i am afraid that i misconfigure it that i have to enter it twice |
| 17:25.10 | tete_ | this is a vps, i can not simply reboot etc. |
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| 17:26.26 | tete_ | Please select the logical volume to delete. <- thats the screen, i can chose: root (210004MB - in VG crypto) |
| 17:26.38 | tete_ | but when i do so, it says: The logical volume root on crypto could not be deleted. Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details. |
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| 17:26.56 | tete_ | Aug 7 17:19:35 partman-lvm: Logical volume crypto/root is used by another device. |
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| 17:28.12 | khronosschoty | hmm sorry tete over my head |
| 17:29.19 | moxie | why the hell does it take years to prepare drives for encrypted LVM |
| 17:29.32 | moxie | went to lunch and came back, 1% on 500GB raid 1 |
| 17:29.49 | tete_ | moxie, how did you do it? manuel? or by the system? |
| 17:29.55 | tete_ | i tried to do it manuel but the installer is worse! |
| 17:29.59 | moxie | by the system |
| 17:30.02 | moxie | i dont know who manuel is |
| 17:30.06 | tete_ | sry manual |
| 17:30.08 | moxie | the isntaller takes forever |
| 17:30.18 | tete_ | yes because the format /erase flag is set |
| 17:30.19 | moxie | installer |
| 17:30.43 | moxie | ok but erasing shouldnt take this long |
| 17:30.48 | moxie | it is supposed to take minutes |
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| 17:30.49 | tete_ | lets pray the reboot does only start the installer image again |
| 17:30.51 | tete_ | otherwise i am lost |
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| 17:31.23 | moxie | how can i create an encrypted lvm install without getting fired from my job because it took months |
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| 17:31.26 | jmcnaught | moxie: i think it's writing random data to every sector of the drive. i usually skip that part in the installer |
| 17:31.53 | moxie | maybe i should mash on the keyboard so it has entropy? |
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| 17:32.27 | jmcnaught | moxie: try just hitting cancel for that part of the installer. it works for me |
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| 17:32.52 | khronosschoty | tete you should be able to tell your host to load the image again if you need |
| 17:33.00 | smw_ | moxie, yeah, I just hit cancel and it continued |
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| 17:34.55 | tete_ | khronosschoty, just wrote the mail, hope he will answer today |
| 17:35.09 | moxie | ah yes the cancel worked :) |
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| 17:35.23 | moxie | only cancelled the erase |
| 17:35.29 | moxie | still...why was it so slow |
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| 17:36.31 | jmcnaught | moxie: it wants to be thorough |
| 17:37.02 | moxie | its doing it wrong |
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| 17:37.07 | DuxB | I overclocked my cpu in BIOS, and windows reads the higher speed, but in Debian, the processor only runs at stock speeds. Help? |
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| 17:37.28 | SirLagz | DuxB, are you *sure* the processor is running at stock speeds ? |
| 17:37.30 | moxie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-crypto/+bug/945001 |
| 17:37.34 | vassilis | I need help getting my mic work on a acer aspire one! Anyone? |
| 17:37.42 | SirLagz | DuxB, do you have cpufreq-utils installed ? |
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| 17:38.36 | DuxB | SirLagz, by any way I can tell, yes |
| 17:38.52 | SirLagz | DuxB, how are you getting the speed ? |
| 17:38.54 | khronosschoty | hey tete |
| 17:39.02 | tete_ | whats the default fs when using guided partition with encrypted lvm? Ext3 ? ext4? |
| 17:39.06 | tete_ | yep? |
| 17:39.10 | KsM | DuxB: cpufreq-utils by default uses an ondemand regulator, so it scales the frequency when needed |
| 17:39.11 | DuxB | and yes, I do have it installed |
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| 17:39.13 | khronosschoty | I might recommend using vagrant |
| 17:39.18 | khronosschoty | and setting it up to run test runes |
| 17:39.27 | moxie | jmcnaught, http://www.noah.org/wiki/Dd_-_Destroyer_of_Disks#Tinfoil_hat_paranoia |
| 17:39.28 | khronosschoty | I do that makes it soo much easier |
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| 17:39.48 | KsM | DuxB: you can use cpufreq-set -c<core> -gperformance to force it to go at max speeds, but the only thing you'll get from that is extra heat |
| 17:39.50 | SirLagz | DuxB, what cpu governor is currently activated ? |
| 17:39.54 | tete_ | khronosschoty, thanks, next time i just use virtualbox ;D |
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| 17:40.00 | smw_ | tete_, appears to be ext4 |
| 17:40.11 | khronosschoty | yeah do all the experimentation on it |
| 17:40.13 | tete_ | its a bit odd to me that the installer is so wierd and there is no "simple" guide |
| 17:40.15 | smw_ | tete_, I just installed encrypted lvm and the root is ext4 |
| 17:40.20 | DuxB | I'm getting the speed from a toolbar app, also I checked it before, I believe with cpufreq and got the same |
| 17:40.29 | moxie | heh, the NSA hired space aliens to read overwritten data off a drive |
| 17:40.33 | tete_ | smw_, great, thanks for that, then i will also use the "guided install with luks lvm" |
| 17:40.36 | moxie | SOMEONE didnt overwrite it 9 times with zeros |
| 17:40.44 | DuxB | how do I tell which governor is active? |
| 17:40.53 | KsM | DuxB: cpufreq-info | grep current |
| 17:41.03 | smw_ | tete_afk, remember it will wipe other OSes as well! |
| 17:41.33 | KsM | errr |
| 17:41.43 | KsM | DuxB: cpufreq-info | grep governer |
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| 17:41.53 | KsM | governor, wow. |
| 17:41.56 | DuxB | says that current policy is that freq should be within 1.20 and 2.67, I believe my current hardware settings are 2.8 or so |
| 17:42.21 | DuxB | governor "ondemand" |
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| 17:42.49 | DuxB | hardware limits: 1.20 GHz - 2.67 GHz |
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| 17:44.01 | KsM | DuxB: like I said before, ondemand regulated the cpu freqency to only scale up when it's needed, you can force it to always be at 2.6Ghz, but the only thing you'll do is make your cpu run hotter |
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| 17:45.07 | DuxB | KsM: right, I'm guessing it's using the factory defaults for my cpu from the driver info, rather than asking the cpu how fast it can go |
| 17:45.16 | DuxB | which is what I need to change |
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| 17:45.32 | DuxB | anybody have an idea? |
| 17:47.12 | KsM | I remember reading somewhere that one can get cpufreq / linux to ignore the limitations it gets for clock speed, but I don't remember where or how |
| 17:47.41 | KsM | oh |
| 17:47.43 | KsM | ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/trenn/ACPI_BIOS_on_Linux_guide/Frequency_is_limited_how_to.txt |
| 17:47.47 | DuxB | google has failed me thus far in exactly that search |
| 17:47.58 | KsM | According to this: " |
| 17:47.59 | KsM | This can be ignored by passing processor.ignore_ppc=1 boot param" |
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| 17:51.32 | DuxB | KsM: thanks, this doc might help |
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| 17:56.47 | KsM | DuxB: apparently it can also be changed while running, via /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc |
| 17:56.57 | KsM | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_Frequency_Scaling#BIOS_frequency_limitation |
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| 18:02.35 | DuxB | KsM: I think that that would work around a BIOS limiting factor, which I don't think is the case, I think the governor is the problem, but I should still try, no? |
| 18:03.17 | mumpitze1 | DuxB: what cpu is it you have overclocked? |
| 18:03.34 | DuxB | i5-750 |
| 18:04.58 | mumpitze1 | DuxB: check your bogomips values overclocked and unoverclocked. you will see that overclocked it's higher. as long as you increased your FSB |
| 18:05.03 | moxie | uhh |
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| 18:05.14 | moxie | why is the isntall disk asking for the install disk |
| 18:05.17 | bramwelt | SmashingX: If you are running OpenVPN, and using NetworkManager, you have an checkbox for 'route all traffic over this connection' that should get unchecked. |
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| 18:05.34 | moxie | of course this is going to not work the same as it did in testing |
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| 18:05.56 | SmashingX | bramwelt: I don't. That's why I'm askig for help |
| 18:06.08 | mumpitze1 | moxie: how did you create your debian install media? |
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| 18:06.33 | moxie | with a cd burner |
| 18:06.38 | moxie | and i cant eject it |
| 18:06.49 | mumpitze1 | with what software? |
| 18:06.58 | SmashingX | bramwelt: do you have that option? |
| 18:07.02 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Its hidden a bit, let me see if I can find where it is... |
| 18:07.15 | mumpitze1 | which debian iso did you burn and at which point in the installation does it ask for the disk? |
| 18:07.29 | SmashingX | bramwelt: please man, if you find it let me know because I've search for it for a whole week |
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| 18:07.51 | bramwelt | SmashingX: IPv4 settings, advanced... routes... |
| 18:08.00 | moxie | well it failed |
| 18:08.04 | moxie | ive used this install cd like 15 times |
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| 18:08.24 | mumpitze1 | moxie: please answer the question |
| 18:08.29 | bramwelt | SmashingX: er, sorry, no 'advanced'. |
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| 18:09.00 | SmashingX | just routes |
| 18:09.02 | SmashingX | right./ |
| 18:09.04 | SmashingX | ? |
| 18:09.23 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Just 'IPv4 -> routes... Use this connection only for resources on this network' |
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| 18:09.29 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Yup. |
| 18:09.32 | SmashingX | that's unchecked |
| 18:09.38 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Right, check that. |
| 18:09.42 | SmashingX | ? |
| 18:09.48 | SmashingX | you said 'route all traffic over this connection' that should get unchecked. |
| 18:09.54 | SmashingX | uncheck |
| 18:10.15 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Right. It chould be different between the versions of NM we are running. :) |
| 18:10.16 | SmashingX | bramwelt: check or uncheck? |
| 18:10.34 | SmashingX | I know |
| 18:10.48 | SmashingX | in mine it says: se this connection only for resources on this network' |
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| 18:10.53 | SmashingX | Use |
| 18:11.00 | SmashingX | so we apparently have the same |
| 18:11.12 | SmashingX | bramwelt: but I have to check it or uncheck it? |
| 18:11.34 | SmashingX | because apparently what that box it's saying is the opposite |
| 18:11.34 | bramwelt | SmashingX: That box should be checked. |
| 18:11.48 | SmashingX | just use the traffic for this local network |
| 18:11.58 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 18:12.00 | SmashingX | let me check |
| 18:12.12 | bramwelt | 'Use this connection only for resources on _its_ network' means only route traffic over this connection if it is for IPs on the connection |
| 18:12.20 | SmashingX | bramwelt: so in order to take effect I guess I have to disconnect and connect again right? |
| 18:12.29 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Most likely. |
| 18:12.31 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 18:12.37 | SmashingX | let's see what ahappens |
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| 18:12.46 | SmashingX | let me restart |
| 18:13.06 | bramwelt | Er, you shouldn't need to go as far as restarting your computer. |
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| 18:13.17 | bramwelt | If that is what you mean. |
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| 18:16.05 | SmashingX|2 | bramwelt: apparently it seems like that box has to be unchecked |
| 18:16.13 | SmashingX|2 | otherwise it doesn't work |
| 18:16.14 | i4c | would this work on debian wheezy ? |
| 18:16.19 | i4c | http://linuxg.net/how-to-properly-replace-pulseaudio-with-alsa-on-crunchbag-linux-and-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 18:17.04 | moxie | mumpitze1, i burned the firmware install cd, and it asked for the same cd but wouldnt let me eject it |
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| 18:17.19 | moxie | then after i unplugged it and plugged it back in it was looking for 'firmware' |
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| 18:18.49 | moxie | that cd always had the firmware for this system |
| 18:19.00 | moxie | until im ready to go 'gold' of course |
| 18:19.01 | bramwelt | SmashingX|2: Huh..okay. |
| 18:19.09 | bramwelt | SmashingX|2: Glad to hear it's working though! |
| 18:19.13 | bramwelt | ..right? |
| 18:19.32 | SmashingX|2 | I don't know if its working as it is supposed |
| 18:19.43 | SmashingX|2 | bramwelt: http://postimg.org/image/fvqtjnrin/e853186f/ |
| 18:19.58 | SmashingX|2 | look the difference in data between my eth1 and tun0 |
| 18:20.04 | SmashingX|2 | they should be the same |
| 18:20.28 | SmashingX|2 | but Sirlagz said that it was because of the encryption headers |
| 18:20.33 | SmashingX|2 | so I guess he's right |
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| 18:21.31 | bramwelt | SmashingX: Huh. Alright. |
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| 18:21.52 | moxie | lol @ gkrellm |
| 18:22.36 | SmashingX | what moxie? |
| 18:22.49 | moxie | its funny |
| 18:22.58 | moxie | are you using enlightenment? |
| 18:23.19 | SmashingX | It's called Aliens |
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| 18:25.04 | mns | What's a good wiki software to use ? |
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| 18:25.46 | moxie | smallest federated wiki? |
| 18:26.02 | adc | mns: i have had good experiences with mediawiki |
| 18:26.06 | moxie | https://github.com/WardCunningham/Smallest-Federated-Wiki |
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| 18:28.54 | poorrick | Okay, so apt-get dist-upgrade does exactly nothing |
| 18:29.22 | poorrick | I just figured out wheezy went stable 3 months ago while I was under a rock |
| 18:29.40 | Deeps | 3 months is generous. i'd go with the release of 7.1 personally, heh. |
| 18:29.59 | moxie | testing is pretty stable |
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| 18:30.06 | moxie | :P |
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| 18:30.48 | poorrick | That's still 2 months |
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| 18:31.15 | poorrick | And I was especially under a rock then |
| 18:31.32 | peterrooney | moxie: it only takes one hole to sink a boat. testing, by definition, is not stable. |
| 18:31.42 | spleefer | hello,im new to debian(and linux in general).what version do i chose for a netinstall ? i have intel 64 bit.can someone help me ? |
| 18:31.55 | SmashingX | which VPN way is better to use on debian? in terms of speed and security: PPTP or OpenVPN? |
| 18:32.00 | poorrick | But am I missing something? Because I have everything cleaned up and upgraded, but dist-upgrade does nothing |
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| 18:32.13 | Th0masR0ss | poorrick: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:32.28 | moxie | peterrooney, better than hosing apt trying to get up to date software |
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| 18:33.15 | poorrick | Th0masR0ss: Do I need to remove non-free and change squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 18:33.24 | boudiccas | how can i make /media/boudiccas/6136-3732 be automouinted, its a mobile phone, fat32, and i have to authorise its mounting every time its plugged in |
| 18:33.46 | Th0masR0ss | !tell poorrick about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:34.12 | Th0masR0ss | poorrick: dpkg has told you what to do |
| 18:34.37 | poorrick | Th0masR0ss: I swear I'm trying to make sense of that |
| 18:34.47 | mns | moxie, adc: thanks. I have had good experience with mediawiki as well, was just wondering if there was something else out there as well. |
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| 18:35.12 | moxie | mediawiki is ancient |
| 18:35.44 | boudiccas | mns, jekyll |
| 18:36.22 | Th0masR0ss | poorrick: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy". Then run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 18:36.33 | boudiccas | mns, thatsthe powerhouse behind most of the github site |
| 18:36.54 | mns | moxie: yeah but I can use Emacs to edit mediawiki pages :) |
| 18:37.11 | mns | boudiccas: I'll look into jekyll |
| 18:37.27 | moxie | its ruby, dont bother |
| 18:37.36 | babilen | Th0masR0ss: following the release notes is a much better idea as there are more changes than that |
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| 18:37.55 | jmcnaught | mns: i like moinmoin |
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| 18:39.19 | Th0masR0ss | babilen: they even had trouble following dpkg's squeeze->wheezy |
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| 18:40.37 | babilen | Th0masR0ss: It might have been too concise or maybe they would have been well advised to employ someone else to perform the upgrade for them .. *shrug* |
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| 18:41.37 | edju | Running testing. Using hplip for printing. Problems. How could I discover which driver is in use - hp-cups or hpijs? |
| 18:42.09 | moxie | man |
| 18:42.10 | moxie | all my hadrware keeps dying |
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| 18:42.29 | moxie | all i have is hardware problems 24/7 so i cant get anything done |
| 18:42.37 | moxie | on all different devices |
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| 18:43.02 | moxie | havent gotten anything done in months because of hardware problems |
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| 18:44.18 | boudiccas | edju, look in top/atop/glances and you should see one of them there |
| 18:44.56 | Rixius | ohwow there's more people in here than ##php or ##javascript... Almost combined. Nice. |
| 18:45.04 | jmcnaught | edju: can you access CUPS web interface? http://localhost:631/ |
| 18:45.41 | moxie | never buy dell, hp, or supermicro hardware |
| 18:46.24 | Rixius | I'm about to fix my lappy into a debian machine. It's a Intel-Lenovo Thinkpad T430. |
| 18:46.26 | ChrisH | moxie: what else to buy? |
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| 18:48.35 | edju | jmcnaught, Yes, and there it is. hp-cups. thanks. |
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| 18:49.30 | ChrisH | moxie: HW Problems are rare. MOstly homemade like insufficient cooling. Spikes on power lines |
| 18:49.36 | moxie | ChrisH, something worth a crap |
| 18:49.51 | moxie | http://www.microway.com/ |
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| 18:50.18 | moxie | yeah, all the HP systems have problems |
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| 18:50.28 | moxie | they reboot without warning and theres nothing in the logs |
| 18:50.43 | moxie | or their network cards have bad firmware |
| 18:50.49 | moxie | or the iLO itself causes the device it crash |
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| 18:52.22 | moxie | now i have to work from home all night also because the only working hardware is there |
| 18:52.45 | ChrisH | moxie: even this is offtopic here. We mostly run Supermicro, HP or Sun and no real issues, some disk failures but thats OK. |
| 18:53.08 | babilen | Rixius: Have fun, that laptop is very well supported, but you will require firmware for certain devices. |
| 18:53.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rixius -about install debian |
| 18:53.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rixius -about firmware image |
| 18:53.31 | Rixius | babilen: That's what I was reading. :D Thanks for the help :D |
| 18:53.58 | jhutchins | I think the real answer to the problem is "never buy hardware". |
| 18:54.11 | babilen | Rixius: Do you have a particular preference regarding your desktop environment? (if you want one at all) -- Debian installs Gnome 3 by default, but you can easily install XFCE, LXDE or KDE too. |
| 18:54.32 | Rixius | I was going to install it without any GUI, and then install X and awesome. |
| 18:55.00 | babilen | Rixius: Very good choice - Let me check one thing please. |
| 18:55.22 | Rixius | okay. If you want to /msg me, you're free to. <3 |
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| 18:55.34 | musca | !pptp |
| 18:55.34 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) is an insecure and unreliable way to create tunnels; consider <openvpn>, <ipsec> or <l2tp> instead. Some ISPs use PPTP to provide service on Ethernet connected broadband networks; this is not supported at Debian installation time. To connect to a PPTP server, use pptpsetup (pptp-linux package, on netinst and CD1) or network-manager-pptp. See also <why not pptp>, <poptop>, <mppe>, <vpn>. |
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| 18:56.58 | Rixius | So, from the msg from dpkg, is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso the entire net-install with the non-free firmwares? |
| 18:57.19 | Rixius | (I assume it is, from the name, just wanting to confirm...) |
| 18:57.33 | mumpitze1 | Rixius: yes |
| 18:57.37 | babilen | Rixius: Well, I am using awesome 3.5.1 from experimental on sid/unstable -- The config file format changed quite substantially and it might make sense to use that version on wheezy too. I checked and it should be possible to backport it to wheezy without major hassle, but that might be a bit too involved for you. |
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| 18:58.12 | babilen | Rixius: The installer *will* still ask you for firmware. Just hit continue when it does .. the firmware is there and will be found. |
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| 18:59.19 | Rixius | babilen: By backport(I haven't done such activities before) do you mean installing the dependencies only and then compiling it form source?(That I have done) |
| 18:59.38 | musca | !tell SmashingX about pptp |
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| 19:01.40 | babilen | Rixius: Backporting in Debian essentially means to compile a Debian package from a later release (typically unstable) on an older release (typically stable). The procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" (ssb == "simple sid backport") and would be applicable if you were backporting awesome from experimental. To be honest I am not sure why that version is still in experimental and hasn't been uploaded to unstable, but that is the current situation. ... |
| 19:01.46 | babilen | ... You would therefore have to adapt that factoid slightly and add deb-src (!!! only deb-src!!!) for experimental to your sources.list |
| 19:01.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rixius -about backports |
| 19:04.11 | Rixius | babilen: sounds like fun. I'll try it out tonight, and hang in here on my other machine to post my results. :D |
| 19:04.47 | Rixius | On another note, would it be easier just to install sid instead of wheezy? |
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| 19:07.57 | Improv | If I grab source to debian packages, and run debian/rules build, what else do I need to do to have it make its .deb files? |
| 19:08.12 | Improv | (specifically thinking of bind9, which has one source and many packages made from it) |
| 19:08.45 | babilen | Rixius: Well, you would install wheezy first in either case. I can't answer that question for you, but *if* you were to track testing or unstable installing packages from experimental directly (and awesome in particular) would be as easy as adding the repository to your sources.list and then pulling in the packages you want. |
| 19:09.39 | babilen | Rixius: It really depends on what you want. Do you want the reliability of a stable (that is "not changing") system or do you feel comfortable enough with Debian to track a development release where you might encounter bugs? |
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| 19:10.28 | babilen | Rixius: I'd recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable before making a decision. There are various possible setups that all have their merits and drawbacks. |
| 19:10.59 | Improv | I ideally want to make my own version of each of the .deb packages that normally are built from the bind9 sources |
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| 19:12.05 | Rixius | Another question(Sorry about pestering you so much) is if I succesfully follow this backport operation, can the compiled version be provided so that it's easier for others in the future? (Like me when if/when I install another box) |
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| 19:12.29 | Freeaqingme | Is the directory layout of bind as portrayed in this article the one as it's suggested by Debian? https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9#named.conf.log_File |
| 19:12.35 | Freeaqingme | esp the log setup? |
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| 19:12.53 | mumpitze1 | Rixius: yes. you will get a .deb file when you backport. you can install this .deb file on other debian installations |
| 19:13.06 | Rixius | Sweet :D |
| 19:13.16 | babilen | Rixius: You could, naturally, make the package available to other people, but they would have to trust you. I wouldn't personally use such random packages and wouldn't encourage you to make the package available as it will just cause fragmentation of our userbase and hard to debug problems. |
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| 19:13.54 | Rixius | Allrighty. I can still have the .deb for other machines of my own. That's at least one thing taken care of. :D |
| 19:14.04 | babilen | Rixius: What *you* do with your own package is entirely up to you. You can add it to your <own repo> or install it manually on other boxes ... (/msg dpkg own repo) |
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| 19:14.28 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.25 | boudiccas | i have in the past 'chowned' it but its made no difference |
| 19:16.10 | babilen | Rixius: Really, there are strong arguments in favour of running stable and for installig the odd package here and there from backports. But then running testing, a testing unstable mix (cf. <tum>) or unstable also has a certain appeal. Doing the latter is definitely more work (if you don't backport too many packages yourself) and will require a more in depth knowledge of Debian than "just" running stable. I don't know your requirements, wishes ... |
| 19:16.16 | babilen | ... nor technical background so I can't really make recommendations. |
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| 19:18.34 | Rixius | I get you. I'm a web developer. All my development is done in SSH on my development server(via vim) I have some loose experience with compiling software, and have just now gotten the chance to talk my bosses into letting me get off of windows. |
| 19:19.10 | Rixius | It should def be stable. so sid is out of the question, now that I think about it. I might leave room for a sid partition, since i'm already going to split out my home partition. |
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| 19:21.00 | mechanicalduck | Hi |
| 19:21.15 | mechanicalduck | So I added the user 'test1'. Now I want to login over sftp with this user. |
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| 19:21.17 | mechanicalduck | But it doesn't work, why |
| 19:21.26 | mechanicalduck | Username and password are correct. |
| 19:22.13 | jhutchins | mechanicalduck: What sftp server did you set up? |
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| 19:27.28 | suigeneris | hi |
| 19:27.33 | johskar | is there a way to stop debian from pulling mysql-server as dependency and let me use the mysql server we allready have on the network when it configures the services that req it? |
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| 19:30.51 | babilen | johskar: Could you be a bit more specific? Which package is this about and what are you trying to achieve? You might want to paste relevant output (e.g. apt-get install run) to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:31.53 | mumpitze1 | johskar: if you create your own repository which you have your clients configured to use and its mysql server package there has a higher version number than the debian packages then yours will be used automatically, yes |
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| 19:33.45 | johskar | babilen: mostly for any that require mysql, but right now I'm installing tine2.0, and we got another server that runs mysql that everything that use mysql (if possible) should be using... but so far everything that require mysql demands mysql-server to be installed wich leaves us to letting it install, configure and crap, then move the db to that server and set up everything installed to query that one instead, lots of extra manual work |
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| 19:34.56 | johskar | mumpitze1: it's not pulling another mysql server package, they pull the one from original repo, but we don't want the mysql service in the first place on the servers, we want them to use the "centralized" mysql server(s) |
| 19:35.16 | KsM | Couldn't something be done with dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:35.34 | KsM | er, --set-selections |
| 19:35.42 | KsM | oh, I said that. |
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| 19:36.50 | mumpitze1 | johskar: then installing your own mysql server won't help at all |
| 19:37.23 | mumpitze1 | you should create your own packaged clients which draw in mysqlserver as dependency. not fiddle with the mysqlserver package |
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| 19:38.38 | jmcnaught | johskar: have you looked into using equivs? |
| 19:38.53 | babilen | johskar: That package isn't in Debian ... |
| 19:39.02 | johskar | mumpitze1: did you even read my question properly? you are answering something completely unrelated, i haven't fiddled with anything yet, I want the packages NOT to pull mysqlserver, we allready have a mysql server on the network they should use instead and am wondering if there is a way to make them let us do that instdead of them just pulling the mysql service on all 300 servers when we install a package thar need it |
| 19:39.03 | babilen | (tine2.0 that is) |
| 19:39.22 | johskar | babilen: no, that spessific one is on tine20.org's own repo, but that's not the main problem |
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| 19:39.50 | babilen | yes it is :) |
| 19:40.04 | mumpitze1 | I answered you. you need to do two things: configure your clients to use the remote mysql server and make the clients not install the server as a dependency. both are best achieved with custom client package |
| 19:40.15 | babilen | johskar: You cannot prevent dependencies (!) from being installed, but if the package doesn't require a mysql server to be installed then it should merely *recommend* the server so that you can use a different one. It really depends on the particular packages in question. |
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| 19:41.00 | mumpitze1 | johskar: you can cheat by installing a mysqlserver equivs package but then you still need to fix the client configs manually |
| 19:41.05 | jhutchins | This is a common problem for things that use MySQL databases - requiring the server when often the server will be a remote host. |
| 19:41.06 | mumpitze1 | everytime you install them |
| 19:41.36 | jhutchins | josephf: I suppose if you're managing your own repo you could create a dummy package, or there's a way you can "fool" dpkg into thinking it's installed. |
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| 19:41.57 | jhutchins | johskar: Sorry, that was for you. |
| 19:42.06 | babilen | johskar: So far there are only around 100 packages that actually depend on mysql-server. I can't help you without knowing which packages this is about. We, naturally, cannot support third party packages and it might very well be that their dependencies are messed up. |
| 19:42.12 | jhutchins | johskar: You should probably also file a bug against the dependency for that very reason. |
| 19:42.29 | jhutchins | babilen: It's not the only one that does this. |
| 19:43.00 | babilen | jhutchins: huh? What is doing what? |
| 19:43.00 | jhutchins | babilen: This is also not confined to Debian, but I don't think we can blame upstream. |
| 19:43.23 | jhutchins | babilen: Requiring mysql-server when something that uses a mysql database is installed. |
| 19:43.39 | babilen | jhutchins: If their packages define a "Depends:" that should have been a "Recommends:" it is fair to blame them for buggy packaging. |
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| 19:44.28 | babilen | jhutchins: I just checked and there are really only around 100 package in the set of reverse dependencies of mysql-server ... |
| 19:44.51 | johskar | sorry if I'm a bit edgy, but been moving databases alot today... |
| 19:44.56 | n0c | s |
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| 19:45.35 | babilen | I have no idea which of these "Depends:" is *really* absolutely needed, but a package that can function without a locally installed mysql-server shouldn't Depend on it. (that would be a bug as the definition of a Depends essentially means that a package cannot function without that other package) |
| 19:46.21 | johskar | was just hoping there were some config "magic" I could toss at the debian servers so that they atleast (even if pulling mysql-server, which I can disable) let me point them towards the external sql server instead of just blindly trying to configure against the one they just pulled as dependency |
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| 19:46.24 | jhutchins | babilen: Not sure what it was I dealt with, I think it was a lamp package. |
| 19:46.32 | babilen | johskar: So, if you want us (that is Debian) to help you then you have to be more specific. If there is a bug in our packages that bug should be reported and fixed. If a package declares a dependency on another package you *do* have to install that package. |
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| 19:47.12 | jhutchins | babilen: What's that process that fakes dpkg into thinking a package is installed? |
| 19:47.55 | johskar | goes looking for the ritalin stash as the concerta clearly ran out hours ago and still needs to focus and keep calm... |
| 19:48.05 | babilen | equivs, but it is a crappy workaround and it would be *much* better to fix the packaging if it erroneously declares a dependency that should have been a recommendation. |
| 19:48.20 | jhutchins | josephf: You should be able to set whatever client you're using to point to the remote server. |
| 19:48.47 | jhutchins | josephf: Sorry again. |
| 19:49.08 | jhutchins | johskar: It WOULD help if we knew what actual package you were talking about. |
| 19:49.56 | babilen | johskar: Relax, but please accept that we cannot support random third party packages. If their packaging is broken they have to fix it and there is no "magic" we can offer you. The best you can do is to install an empty dummy package that tricks the packaging system into believing that another package is already installed while it is, in fact, not installed at all. That is done via equivs, but I consider this approach an ugly hack and would very ... |
| 19:50.00 | babilen | ... much prefer to fix the packaging. |
| 19:50.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell johskar -about equivs |
| 19:50.18 | jhutchins | thx |
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| 19:51.25 | babilen | jhutchins: So, please contact the tine 2.0 upstream about problems you have with their packages. If you find a package in Debian for which this holds true then please file a bug against that package so that we can fix it. |
| 19:51.29 | babilen | err |
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| 19:51.35 | babilen | argh, too many nicks with j :) |
| 19:51.42 | babilen | johskar: ^^^^ |
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| 19:54.23 | johskar | babilen: I know and accept that, the 3rd party one I was having issues with now is not the only one, but it was the one got fed up with right now, it's not the first time and it happens with debian ones too. throwing dummy mysql-server packages at them doesn't really help tho, the install breaks then cause they fail to configure their db in the installscript then, guess I'll just start doing these the good old way from tarballs and just remember to upda |
| 19:54.23 | johskar | te/upgrade them when needed. |
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| 19:55.37 | johskar | atleast I get alot more usefull reply here than when trying to get a clear answer out of M$ on what to do now that they close down TechNet, without forking out 20x as much for the start lisence of the msdn equivalent and 10x the fee each year to keep it going... :-) |
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| 19:56.31 | fartface | Can someone explain ZFS vs RAID5 in one sentence? Like "RAID5 is 3 disks, 1 parity disk, you lose 33% storage to redundancy, ZFS is 4 disks, 2 parity disks, you lose 50% to redundancy" |
| 19:56.37 | fartface | Is that the case? |
| 19:56.56 | babilen | johskar: I'd love to help you with specific problems and totally understand your usecase. TBH we want to enable you to use our packages in this setup too, but some assumptions might simply be wrong. It is perfectly fine to file bugs in these cases. In some cases you should be able to simply disable the installation of recommended packages to prevent mysql from being installed. |
| 19:57.16 | x-yuri | hi, I wanted to confirm that dpkg/apt/aptitude doesn't store information about which repository packages come from. Am I right? |
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| 19:57.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell x-yuri -about which repo |
| 19:59.59 | babilen | x-yuri: but yeah, that particular information (package bar1.2 (1.2-5) was installed from mirror foo.uk.debian.org) is not saved explicitly. You can find out which release a package belongs to, but not where you grabbed it from initially. If you could tell us what you need that information for we might be able to provide alternatives or different approaches. |
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| 20:03.31 | x-yuri | babilen: I've installed at least one package from wheezy-backports on squeeze. afaict, not a good thing. And I don't know if there are other packages like this. |
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| 20:06.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell x-yuri about not available |
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| 20:07.36 | babilen | x-yuri: You can remove wheezy-backports from your sources.list and then run the aptitude search command the bot told you about. That will list all packages that are not available (package and exact version) from a repository you have enabled. |
| 20:08.07 | babilen | dpkg: x-yuri about bdo list |
| 20:08.08 | dpkg | babilen: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:08.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell x-yuri about bdo list |
| 20:08.34 | babilen | x-yuri: That command will list all packages from backports if that is what you are after. |
| 20:08.46 | x-yuri | babilen: thanks a lot. So, I'd better uninstall them, right? |
| 20:08.57 | x-yuri | downgrade that is |
| 20:09.19 | babilen | downgrades aren't supported |
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| 20:09.32 | babilen | you might want to upgrade to wheezy anyway ... |
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| 20:10.45 | justaguy | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 20:10.45 | justaguy | # Mon May 18 13:33:40 PDT 2009 by epixoip <epixoip@hush.com> |
| 20:10.45 | justaguy | # multi-threaded scanner for webdav-enabled servers. note this |
| 20:10.45 | justaguy | # does NOT tell you if your server is vulnerable to any WebDAV |
| 20:10.45 | justaguy | # exploits! it only tells you if WebDAV is enabled. |
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| 20:11.16 | justaguy | woops i need to look where i paste somthing |
| 20:11.19 | justaguy | sorry for the spam |
| 20:11.44 | ompaul | !paste |
| 20:11.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:13.24 | jhutchins | Oracle's support page is slow today. |
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| 20:19.10 | socomm | jhutchins: runs on Oracle Java. :^) |
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| 20:29.46 | marsje | which iso must I download to install Debian 7 with a xfce desktop? |
| 20:30.07 | rozie | netinstall may be fine |
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| 20:30.17 | spleefer | hi i just got debian on my usb, what should i do when i install it? |
| 20:30.24 | spleefer | i heard of ip tables |
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| 20:31.01 | ompaul | spleefer: run it and work out what you want to do |
| 20:31.15 | ompaul | iptables is not for the desktop unless you are doing something very wrong |
| 20:31.25 | spleefer | is the default config for ip tables good? or is it dangerous? |
| 20:31.26 | ompaul | like exposing the machine to remote services |
| 20:31.31 | ompaul | neither |
| 20:31.36 | ompaul | it's default is empty |
| 20:31.41 | ompaul | this isn't windows |
| 20:31.45 | spleefer | should i add/change something? |
| 20:31.48 | ompaul | no |
| 20:32.07 | ompaul | what do you want to run on it |
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| 20:32.40 | spleefer | nothing |
| 20:32.50 | spleefer | im new to debian(and linux) |
| 20:33.07 | ompaul | out of the box it is rather secure |
| 20:33.33 | spleefer | anything else i should do after installing it? |
| 20:33.42 | Rixius | spleefer: by what do you want to run on it, that includes browsing the web, writing code, and managing documents in things like LibreOffice. |
| 20:33.46 | marsje | rozie: will I get a question to install a xfce desktop during installation? or am I supposed to apt-get it myself after installation? |
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| 20:34.08 | spleefer | i would like to browse the web |
| 20:34.10 | ompaul | if you want to do stuff read only the clues on *debian.org once installed call straight back don't going installing things randomly without asking how to do things |
| 20:34.14 | spleefer | maybe write some c++ sometime |
| 20:34.15 | Guest16604 | I want to make nginx start automatically in debian wheezy - what should I do ? |
| 20:34.17 | rozie | with netinstall you must apt-get it after installation |
| 20:34.19 | Rixius | marsje: I remember it asking what GUi you would like. |
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| 20:34.22 | Rixius | Oh okay. |
| 20:34.33 | marsje | Rixius: ok, let's try |
| 20:34.52 | ompaul | spleefer: or ask here - randomly doing things people suggest on the web may not be a good solution for you |
| 20:34.57 | ompaul | i.e. break your box badly |
| 20:34.58 | Rixius | Guest16604: `sudo update-rc.d nginx enable` |
| 20:35.11 | Guest16604 | Rixius many thanks ! |
| 20:35.21 | Rixius | Pretty sure that's right >_> |
| 20:35.31 | Guest16604 | I will try it now |
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| 20:35.49 | spleefer | ok thanks ill install debian |
| 20:36.08 | spleefer | oh, one more thing |
| 20:36.13 | spleefer | does the drive need to be formatted? |
| 20:36.35 | spleefer | i got my windows on C:\ and D:\ is nearly empty |
| 20:37.04 | Rixius | spleefer: yes. Especially if it came from windows. You can resize those partitions and make empty space for new ones for Debian. |
| 20:37.32 | spleefer | should i use D:\ or delete it and make a new one? |
| 20:38.03 | Rixius | If you have things on D: you need for windows, you should resize the NTFS partition on it down, and install Debian in the free space left behind. |
| 20:38.23 | ompaul | but then some of us have lived on debian only systems for years no windows |
| 20:38.46 | spleefer | i have a few games and files but they arent windows system files |
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| 20:39.00 | Rixius | ompaul: I'd like to, but my boss has madated that I keep windows available so that if I can't open something they send to me GNU\Linux won't be an excuse. |
| 20:39.02 | spleefer | should i delete them or delete the whole drive or nothing? |
| 20:39.27 | Rixius | (This is a work laptop) |
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| 20:41.32 | tvm | Rixius: i always solved that with virtual machine |
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| 20:44.37 | Overv | I'm probably missing something really simple, but I have this line in ~/.profile: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\h:\w\$ ', but the prompt looks like this: \h:\w$ |
| 20:44.45 | Overv | how can I make it properly interpret the special characters? |
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| 20:45.47 | Overv | ah, appears new users are stuck in sh instead of bash |
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| 20:47.39 | zykotick9 | Overv: depends how you create(d) the new users actually. adduser will create a more "default" debian user, then some other methods (by default). |
| 20:47.50 | esrax | is there a textbook way to persist a change in /proc between reboots in debian |
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| 20:49.26 | Overv | zykotick9: I changed the shell to bash, are there any other things that would have to be manually set up for a default debian user? (useradd) |
| 20:50.07 | zykotick9 | Overv: useradd requires several options, which are present when you use adduser instead - i'm not sure what though. good luck. |
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| 20:56.14 | else- | i have a problem with remotly unlocking a crypto device using dropbear. most of the time there is no passfifo file, or, if there is, writing the passphrase to the socket does not trigger anything |
| 20:56.23 | Overv | zykotick9: adduser worked perfectly, it even set up the directory permissions properly. thanks! |
| 20:56.23 | smw_ | is there any way to delete old packages from the package cache? |
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| 20:56.50 | smw_ | I want to delete every non-current package from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 20:57.28 | zykotick9 | Overv: obviously, the same effect CAN be achieved with useradd - but you need a lot more options ;) glad you got it working. |
| 20:57.31 | mumpitze1 | smw_: apt-get autoclean |
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| 20:58.49 | smw_ | mumpitze1, will that only remove older packages? |
| 20:59.45 | smw_ | mumpitze1, just read the man page. It looks like it doesn't delete all of them, just the ones that are no longer in the repos |
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| 21:00.02 | morsik | hello there |
| 21:00.11 | smw_ | thanks mumpitze1 |
| 21:00.17 | morsik | i'm using debian for few weeks (i'm experienced linux user anyway) |
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| 21:00.40 | morsik | i just got strange problem... i don't see :i386 packages in aptitude search on debian 7 (i have x86_64 of course) |
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| 21:01.28 | morsik | how to use multiarch? or how to fix this problem? |
| 21:01.52 | strixUK | i've inherited a machine (mostly LAMP server) based on centos + cpanel. it now looks likely that we'll move to a new host, which means i get to choose distro. centos is out, so it's between debian and ubuntu. why would you choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 21:01.58 | jhutchins | morsik: First, understand that multiarch is still a work in progress |
| 21:02.02 | jhutchins | !multiarch |
| 21:02.02 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 21:02.19 | morsik | jhutchins: yeah i understand, but i saw this packages normally some time ago ;o |
| 21:02.56 | jhutchins | strixUK: Debian is more suited for servers. It does not strive for bleeding-edge graphic performance or compatability with the latest social tools. |
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| 21:03.15 | peterrooney | strixUK: ubuntu is normally based on debian testing, as in the version of debian that is explicitly _not_fully _tested_. |
| 21:03.20 | strixUK | jhutchins: which of course we don't care about. i do not want X on this thing. |
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| 21:03.46 | morsik | jhutchins: oh ok, now i see those packages... thanks |
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| 21:03.48 | jhutchins | strixUK: I've been very happy with Debian Stable (and oldstable, and obsolete) on servers. |
| 21:03.54 | kapostedess | hello, what does this error mean? pastebin https://bitly.com/15bKjEE |
| 21:04.59 | jhutchins | kapostedess: Very funny. I just visited you from a federal system. You've been logged. |
| 21:05.22 | kapostedess | what |
| 21:05.23 | strixUK | okay, i'm most familiar with ubuntu because i use it on my research and home machines. what do i need to know when transitioning from ubuntu to debian? |
| 21:06.22 | jhutchins | strixUK: Some things are different. There generally aren't PPDs, either something is available for Debian or you get to build it. |
| 21:06.46 | jhutchins | strixUK: There may be a few more manual steps for proprietary software, firmware, and hardware. |
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| 21:07.40 | strixUK | jhutchins: ppd, as in printer drivers? no problem, this is a web and mail server. |
| 21:08.40 | strixUK | jhutchins: when we move, it'll be to a new hosting co (best guess so far is A2 hosting, unless you can suggest otherwise) so i don't know what we'll get, but i don't suppose proprietary drivers will be an issue |
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| 21:09.58 | strixUK | peterrooney: valid point |
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| 21:10.21 | jhutchins | strixUK: I have a really sweet deal on hosting so I don't know the more popular public ones. You will want to avoid such things as webmin and cpanel if you can. |
| 21:10.40 | jmcnaught | strixUK: i have a VPS on A2 hosting. it's slow, and they only offer OpenVZ/Virtuozzo which means you don't control which kernel you use |
| 21:10.51 | strixUK | jhutchins: yes, yes and more yes. current host is centos+cpanel, and i have learned to loathe it with a passion |
| 21:10.58 | strixUK | vi is the best config tool |
| 21:11.17 | strixUK | jhutchins: also, any company related to EIG is definitely worth avoiding |
| 21:11.18 | jhutchins | strixUK: ++ |
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| 21:12.01 | strixUK | jmcnaught: we'll be on a dedicated, self-managed box |
| 21:12.01 | jmcnaught | strixUK: slow like 10 second wait to SSH in, wait several seconds to run simple commands like "ls" on an empty directory. i'm working on migrating away from them currently. |
| 21:12.14 | jhutchins | (vi that is, don't know/care about EIG) |
| 21:12.15 | strixUK | jmcnaught: eep. |
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| 21:13.14 | jmcnaught | strixUK: well i hope you have better luck with them |
| 21:13.45 | strixUK | jhutchins: of course. if you like schadenfreude, current hosting co is hostgator (dedicated box, now an EIG company), and reason for move is last weekend's nonsense over downtime (4 hours over 2 days) and their subsequent renegging on their three-nines guarantee |
| 21:14.14 | peterrooney | resists the urge to point and laugh |
| 21:14.20 | strixUK | jmcnaught: no final decision has been made as to which co to go to, but A2 seem to offer the best dedicated deal i've seen so far |
| 21:14.30 | strixUK | jmcnaught: but thanks for the heads up |
| 21:14.52 | jmcnaught | strixUK: there's a comparion site called serverbear, it compares a lot of budget options |
| 21:15.13 | strixUK | jmcnaught: i'll check it out, though i'm not sure 'dedicated' comes under the heading of 'budget' |
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| 21:16.44 | jmcnaught | strixUK: there are budget dedicated providers on that site. i recommend searching for negative reviews before going with any service provider |
| 21:16.48 | jmcnaught | lots of crap out there |
| 21:16.56 | strixUK | jmcnaught: aye, ack |
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| 21:17.20 | strixUK | A2 at least offer both debian and ubuntu |
| 21:17.27 | strixUK | (and centos and others) |
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| 21:28.27 | spleefer | hello i just got debian on my usb but i cant boot it |
| 21:28.48 | spleefer | when i go to the bios booting screen i chose USB-HDD and it just loads the windows |
| 21:29.11 | spleefer | i tried other USB options like USB-CDROM USB-ZIP etc.. |
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| 21:31.19 | x-yuri | is this a bad thing to install packages from wheezy-backports to squeeze? What are the consequences? |
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| 21:33.52 | zykotick9 | x-yuri: why? use squeeze-backports with squeeze. and wheezy-backports with wheezy. |
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| 21:37.50 | spleefer | is it ok if i install debian from windows? |
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| 21:39.32 | jago25_98 | On squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-348.4.1.el5.028stab107.2ent... can't find tun/tap module... and can't see /boot/config.gz to see if it's built in... what next? |
| 21:40.27 | Deeps | jago25_98: contact your VM provider (ovh?) and ask them? :> |
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| 21:40.42 | jago25_98 | Deeps: good point! |
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| 21:41.08 | jago25_98 | Deeps: good point, forget it's a VM... tun/vpn probably not allowed! |
| 21:41.16 | Deeps | yup |
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| 21:43.56 | x-yuri | zykotick9: it's not that I'm going to do this. I've just installed some packages from wheezy-backports to squeeze by mistake, and am thinking what to do... |
| 21:44.52 | sashman | could sb tell me what to do to get sleep mode working in wheezy |
| 21:44.53 | zykotick9 | !tell x-yuri about frankendebian |
| 21:45.37 | sashman | suspend ? or hibernate? none of them really works do i have to install some acpi modulesß |
| 21:45.41 | x-yuri | :) |
| 21:46.05 | jhutchins | x-yuri: You may have some problems updating them, but if they work, why worry? Packages only install from a backport repo if you tell them to. |
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| 21:48.22 | GiBa | hola! |
| 21:48.32 | zykotick9 | sashman: for hibernate, does your swap partition equal your physical RAM (+ a little bit)? |
| 21:48.48 | GiBa | im having lots of troubles creating a preseed file in the partitioning part |
| 21:48.53 | GiBa | can anyone helpme ? |
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| 21:50.20 | jago25_98 | GiBa: I probably can't but I can say "give more info" to help others to help |
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| 21:53.06 | GiBa | ok: |
| 21:53.10 | GiBa | two disks |
| 21:53.18 | GiBa | i want to have md0 md1 and md2 |
| 21:53.21 | GiBa | md0 /boot |
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| 21:53.23 | GiBa | md1 lvm |
| 21:53.28 | GiBa | md2 lvm |
| 21:53.49 | GiBa | on lvm md1 /var /usr /home and swap |
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| 21:54.06 | GiBa | i went ok til md1 with everything on |
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| 21:54.20 | GiBa | swap lv takes all the remaining space but dosnt matter |
| 21:54.50 | avis | how do i install a bpo kernel in wheezy ? |
| 21:55.25 | GiBa | then when i try to add the recipe to get md2 i get a red error screen, no raid, sda1 ext4 sdb1 ext4 and sda2/sdb2 extended partitions and sda5 and sdb5 swap |
| 21:55.28 | GiBa | :( |
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| 21:57.07 | jago25_98 | GiBa: tell people what that red error screen is saying |
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| 21:58.55 | GiBa | booting again, 1 sec |
| 21:59.43 | GiBa | error while setting raid |
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| 22:00.24 | GiBa | it creates filesystems on /dev/sdX1 2 and 5 instead of array volumes |
| 22:00.25 | GiBa | :s |
| 22:00.26 | smirker | Howdy. I'm attempting to use xen/vnc installing win on debian wheezy. I've followed instructions online and have a domain with state 'r' running. I've set the vnc parameters in the cfg file and I can connect to the xen vnc server and authenticate, however after successful authentication the server immediately drops the connection. This is a brand spanking new wheezy install. Any ideas? |
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| 22:12.48 | smirker | my question answered in ##xen |
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| 22:21.07 | rfay | Hi All - squeeze-backports suddenly went from having puppet 2.7 in it to having puppet 2.6 - How do I fix or work around that? The packages.d.o still says it has 2.7, which has me confused http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/puppet |
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| 22:22.19 | peterrooney | smirker: /msg dpkg cross post |
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| 22:24.11 | smirker | peterrooney: indeed. i posted here before i realised the existance of ##xen, hence i let everyone here know that the question was answered as not to waste their time. :) |
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| 22:28.47 | fishcooker | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:28.48 | fishcooker | /dev/sdb1 7,0G 6,7G 0 100% / |
| 22:28.48 | fishcooker | how to solve this? |
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| 22:31.20 | fishcooker | i don't know where location that consume much space |
| 22:34.09 | GiBa | bingo |
| 22:34.15 | GiBa | tnx for the inspiration |
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| 22:35.59 | zykotick9 | fishcooker: from terminal "cd /" then "du -sh * 2>/dev/null" might show. honestly, i'd think 8GB might be a little small for ubuntu... |
| 22:36.25 | zykotick9 | fishcooker: lol, wrong channel for my reply. keep ubuntu issues in #ubuntu. |
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| 22:45.16 | Alexi_ | fishcooker: disc usage analyser is a program in Gnome Apps if you have that |
| 22:45.38 | fishcooker | LoL zykotick9 |
| 22:45.46 | fishcooker | you have eyes on me |
| 22:45.49 | Brigo | Alexi_: baobab? |
| 22:46.10 | fishcooker | hmm Alexi_ i've found the probs here 1,4G apt |
| 22:46.10 | fishcooker | 1,4G total |
| 22:46.17 | Alexi_ | fishcooker: Yes |
| 22:46.19 | fishcooker | do manually sch with for loop |
| 22:46.34 | fishcooker | i think there is much caching on apt |
| 22:46.37 | Alexi_ | Brigo: yes, |
| 22:46.54 | peterrooney | fishcooker: apt-get autoclean |
| 22:47.14 | Alexi_ | Bleachbit can get rid of junk files |
| 22:47.14 | Rixius | That's still only an 1/8 of the space. Is there any room for you to expand that partition a touch? Give it another G or two of breathing room? |
| 22:48.19 | fishcooker | it's relieved peterrooney |
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| 22:56.02 | jiohdi | I rebooted my comp and the login screen is gone, it brings me to tty:1 and if I login and type startx it gives me a gnome session without any way to get to my preferred session, help |
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| 22:56.40 | KsM | sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
| 22:56.57 | jiohdi | ksm is that for me? |
| 22:57.04 | KsM | yes |
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| 22:59.12 | KsM | jiohdi: if that brings up the graphical login, then it just looks like you might need to re-add gdm3 to init; sudo update-rc.d gdm3 defaults |
| 22:59.34 | abrotman | i'd suspect he installed fglrx or nvidia outside of the recommendations, then upgraded his kernel |
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| 23:00.39 | jiohdi | didn't work, says no such file or directory for /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
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| 23:01.27 | KsM | do you know what display manager you were using? did you remove it? |
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| 23:03.05 | jiohdi | ksm not on purpose, but I was trying out a live cd of xubuntu with mir, could that have done this? |
| 23:03.42 | KsM | Well, unless you started overwriting anything on your drive, a livecd shouldn't do anything |
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| 23:04.15 | jiohdi | ksm there is a gdm rather than a gdm3 but when I issue the command it just gives me a new prompt |
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| 23:04.29 | KsM | odd |
| 23:04.42 | jiohdi | could it be because I am on tty:1? |
| 23:04.49 | abrotman | gdm is squeeze, gdm3 is in squeeze and wheezy |
| 23:05.06 | jiohdi | I upgraded from squeeze |
| 23:05.17 | jiohdi | but I only see gdm |
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| 23:05.50 | jiohdi | it allows me to install gdm3 |
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| 23:06.06 | jiohdi | but how did I lose my login screen? |
| 23:06.33 | KsM | did you do apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade going from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 23:07.26 | jiohdi | ksm, I upgraded ages ago, but the new install gdm3 works |
| 23:07.34 | jiohdi | it brought me back my login screen |
| 23:07.43 | andersenbt | to go to sid : apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:09.11 | zykotick9 | andersenbt: if you've already updated your sources.list (and you're already at testing) - then yes. |
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| 23:10.07 | jiohdi | ksm, thanks for the help |
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| 23:10.45 | andersenbt | what is testing? |
| 23:10.52 | andersenbt | debian site says: change your /etc/apt/sources.list file to testing |
| 23:11.05 | andersenbt | is another enty in the list? |
| 23:11.15 | jiohdi | andersenbt: experimental packages before the next upgrade |
| 23:11.19 | zykotick9 | andersenbt: are you sure you should be running sid? ('cause i kinda question that) |
| 23:11.42 | jiohdi | cutting edge and breakable |
| 23:11.51 | jiohdi | not done testing yet |
| 23:12.07 | jiohdi | not good for production machines |
| 23:13.45 | andersenbt | I have a rtl8723ae driver and is unstable |
| 23:13.58 | andersenbt | so I have to uprgade it otherwise no wifi |
| 23:14.28 | andersenbt | I have on fedora, but is just to heavy |
| 23:15.10 | justaguy | My choices of OS : Windows 7 for gaming, Ubuntu for normal desktop , Debian for servers |
| 23:15.49 | andersenbt | my choice: Windows if they pay me for it, Crunchbang anything else |
| 23:16.13 | andersenbt | which is debian with minimalistic themes |
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| 23:17.05 | justaguy | i pirated windows 7 anyway |
| 23:17.13 | justaguy | just because i rarely use it :) |
| 23:19.06 | james41382 | Does anyone know why the system tray extension in the wheezy repo doesn't mesh with the iceweasel version? |
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| 23:21.24 | andersenbt | I don't want to go to the movies, I just want to stay home and play with linux |
| 23:21.37 | justaguy | xd |
| 23:22.29 | james41382 | I installed the xul-ext-firetray package version 0.3.6-2, but then in Iceweasel it says Firetray is incompatible with Iceweasel 17.0.7. Wierd right? Why would it be the candidate if it's not compatible... hmm..? |
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| 23:26.40 | zykotick9 | james41382: iceweasel 17 is from security.debian.org, perhaps that firetray hasn't been updated? |
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| 23:47.49 | zykotick9 | andersenbt: ahhh, crunchbang is NOT debian, don't incorrectly believe that it is. It's based on debian, that is all... |
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| 23:51.25 | Aivaras | Could not find VPN plugin service for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openvpn'. any idea? |
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| 23:55.15 | themill | Aivaras: "apt-cache search network manager openvpn" (do you have them installed) |
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| 23:56.07 | zykotick9 | themill: ahhh do you mean s/search/policy ? |
| 23:56.25 | themill | no |
| 23:56.30 | Aivaras | themill, thanks mate. |
| 23:56.37 | zykotick9 | sorry then. |
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