| 00:00.02 | anonymuouss | lulz |
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| 00:03.26 | yakamo | anyone know how i can vhost style thing with ssh? |
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| 00:04.43 | piklu | hello guys |
| 00:04.46 | yakamo | hi |
| 00:04.49 | piklu | I am running proxmox |
| 00:04.55 | piklu | which is a debian based distribution |
| 00:05.04 | piklu | using LSI Megaraid 9240 |
| 00:05.06 | yakamo | is it good? |
| 00:05.10 | piklu | I am getting very low IO in RAID 10 |
| 00:05.18 | piklu | Proxmox is good - but IO is too too less |
| 00:05.30 | f8l | Frank81: I struggle with understanding your English. |
| 00:05.39 | piklu | I need a solution |
| 00:05.58 | yakamo | ive never used proxmox |
| 00:05.59 | Frank81 | how high is your low IO |
| 00:06.18 | f8l | piklu: Go to Proxmox channel then, if it exists. |
| 00:06.32 | jesther | What happened to the wiki? |
| 00:06.34 | piklu | It is a debian issue |
| 00:06.38 | piklu | not a promox issue |
| 00:06.48 | Frank81 | piklu: what the hell |
| 00:06.49 | piklu | LSI Megaraid doesn't has drivers for more than Deb 5.0 |
| 00:07.12 | Frank81 | and drivers are a debian issu? |
| 00:07.13 | piklu | Frank81 - give me a dd command or something, i ll show you in terms of what you understand |
| 00:07.46 | piklu | Frank81 : I hope LSI megaraid is very popular, and debian experts here might have faced a similar situation |
| 00:08.10 | piklu | http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/307095#Comment_307095 |
| 00:08.11 | Frank81 | hmmmm i don't expirenced any IO problems |
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| 00:08.24 | piklu | Frank81, which card did you use? |
| 00:08.57 | Frank81 | not a card i simply do software raid i run servers |
| 00:09.07 | Frank81 | not private boxes |
| 00:09.08 | Frank81 | ^^ |
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| 00:10.34 | Frank81 | http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/RAID/Rack_Mount |
| 00:11.02 | peterrooney | piklu: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 00:11.30 | piklu | peterrooney: ?? |
| 00:11.46 | Th0masR0ss | !tell piklu about based on Debian |
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| 00:12.12 | Th0masR0ss | peterrooney: ^ |
| 00:12.23 | piklu | he did not tell |
| 00:12.25 | piklu | :) |
| 00:13.06 | Frank81 | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 00:14.26 | piklu | Ok…..I ll rely on some experience than |
| 00:14.31 | piklu | if someone can help me increase my IO |
| 00:14.39 | Frank81 | join #hardware |
| 00:14.44 | piklu | on plain cent OS works far better |
| 00:14.45 | Frank81 | they are the guys for that |
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| 00:16.15 | Frank81 | piklu: maybe your proxmox works even better on MAC OS X |
| 00:16.17 | Frank81 | try it |
| 00:16.17 | Frank81 | ^^ |
| 00:16.24 | piklu | :) |
| 00:16.38 | piklu | Should i install mac on server? |
| 00:16.39 | piklu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.54 | Frank81 | there are server versions around yes and it is off topic |
| 00:17.03 | Frank81 | else try Windows Server |
| 00:17.23 | Frank81 | last benchmarks showed realy amazing results in some cases and even check out azure |
| 00:17.34 | Frank81 | since it is realy faster then amazon and linux based clouds |
| 00:17.35 | Frank81 | ^^ |
| 00:18.31 | piklu | Frank81 - proxmox is free, I can deploy a cloud on it, I am going to start a commercial hosting service |
| 00:19.03 | Frank81 | piklu: maybe you should then msg me if you wanna deploy clouds |
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| 00:32.42 | socomm | wonders if Frank81 is a troll |
| 00:33.23 | Frank81 | hmmm why do you insulting me now? |
| 00:34.46 | reavengrey | "Troll" isn't an insult |
| 00:34.57 | reavengrey | In my day it was a thing we took pride in |
| 00:35.18 | reavengrey | That one could successfully fool a group of people on the internet |
| 00:35.30 | reavengrey | And be recognized for this monumental achievement |
| 00:36.12 | socomm | deceiving a person is a monumental achievement, now? |
| 00:36.14 | reavengrey | Kids these days don't know about the original troll |
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| 00:37.52 | reavengrey | http://dagobah.net/flash/successful_troll_2.swf |
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| 00:40.40 | Frank81 | reavengrey: i my days some one was leet when i could take over a IRC Channel |
| 00:40.52 | Frank81 | and we never used troll in the cracking hacking scene |
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| 00:45.07 | reavengrey | oh well I don't go that far back :< |
| 00:45.10 | reavengrey | lol |
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| 00:47.47 | Frank81 | i am there since 86 |
| 00:47.48 | Frank81 | :D |
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| 02:11.38 | poorrick | The user's in the netdev group, I'm running ath9k drivers, iwlist finds tons of networks, but wicd-client doesn't find -anything- I'm on an eeepc with a fresh wheezy upgrade. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 02:12.55 | poorrick | well that's embarrassing as hell. I didn't check that you needed to tell it which wireless interface to use. Never had to do that. |
| 02:12.59 | poorrick | laters |
| 02:13.34 | FungiFox | :P |
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| 02:13.42 | dankk | hey howdy hey |
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| 02:14.28 | dankk | how do I add a line to my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 02:15.03 | FungiFox | sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list should do it. |
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| 02:15.21 | dankk | it'll open in like kwrite or something? |
| 02:15.33 | FungiFox | it will open with gedit. |
| 02:15.45 | dankk | okay, thanks |
| 02:15.47 | FungiFox | you can use kwrite if you like, should be able to open it same way |
| 02:15.58 | FungiFox | sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:16.08 | FungiFox | try it, im still new to all this too. |
| 02:16.16 | dankk | yeah I figured, I just didn't know if I could only use gedit |
| 02:16.17 | dankk | 1 sec |
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| 02:17.34 | dankk | command not found, I figured it out though |
| 02:17.46 | FungiFox | what was it? |
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| 02:18.09 | dankk | dunno, I just found sources.list with a file manager |
| 02:18.13 | dankk | cuz I'm a cheater |
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| 02:18.39 | FungiFox | i would get gedit, i know it would work if you had that. |
| 02:18.49 | FungiFox | atleast, on ubuntu it works. |
| 02:18.58 | FungiFox | well... good luck. |
| 02:19.01 | dankk | thanks man |
| 02:19.05 | Th0masR0ss | FungiFox: don't assume users have sudo installed and configured. |
| 02:19.12 | dankk | I don't |
| 02:19.13 | FungiFox | oh? |
| 02:19.23 | FungiFox | what is it normally? |
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| 02:19.30 | FungiFox | or, what is preinstalled? |
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| 02:21.24 | dankk | well when I try to save the file, it says I do not have permission |
| 02:21.37 | dankk | all I want to do is add what I assume is a repository |
| 02:21.44 | FungiFox | yeah, you need to open as administrator. thats why i said sudo but i guess you don't have it. |
| 02:22.09 | dankk | I did su root, then entered the password |
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| 02:22.44 | Th0masR0ss | FungiFox: su. sudo isn't preinstalled. |
| 02:23.01 | FungiFox | alright. |
| 02:23.02 | dankk | can I do it without sudo? |
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| 02:24.16 | Vicissitude | no |
| 02:24.34 | dankk | I just want to add one line to sources.list |
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| 02:25.40 | FungiFox | dankk does su kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:25.42 | FungiFox | work? |
| 02:26.55 | dankk | uhmm... no passwd entry for user 'kwrite' |
| 02:27.16 | FungiFox | su then password. |
| 02:27.20 | FungiFox | then kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:27.39 | FungiFox | if i could get my wireless to work on my debian machine i would be able to help better. |
| 02:27.52 | dankk | no protocol specified |
| 02:27.58 | dankk | kwrite: cannotconnect to X server |
| 02:28.19 | Vicissitude | do you have X running? |
| 02:28.27 | dankk | I don't even know what X is.. |
| 02:28.38 | Vicissitude | the graphical thing |
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| 02:28.53 | dankk | uhm.. |
| 02:29.05 | dankk | I have KDE, soooo |
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| 02:29.12 | dankk | if it's necessary for that then probably |
| 02:29.20 | dankk | sorry, I feel stupid |
| 02:29.21 | Vicissitude | have, yes, but is it currently running? |
| 02:29.29 | dankk | how do I find out? |
| 02:29.35 | dankk | run x |
| 02:29.37 | dankk | ? |
| 02:29.39 | dankk | lol |
| 02:30.16 | Th0masR0ss | dankk: startx |
| 02:30.22 | Vicissitude | you'd probably be better off, yeah, doing that |
| 02:30.30 | Th0masR0ss | !tell dankk about X |
| 02:30.42 | dankk | just did |
| 02:30.48 | dankk | now all the shit is gone from my desktop |
| 02:32.08 | Th0masR0ss | facepalms |
| 02:32.28 | Vicissitude | what IS on your desktop, dankk |
| 02:32.37 | dankk | two icons that I just put there |
| 02:33.10 | dankk | all I wanted to do is add 1 line of text to sources.list |
| 02:34.21 | Vicissitude | okay, that file is owned by root so you have to either use sudo some_editor /etc/apt/sources.list or use su to become root and then edit the file with your choice of editor |
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| 02:34.57 | dankk | I start the terminal and it already says I'm root |
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| 02:35.25 | dankk | woooooow some shit |
| 02:35.26 | Vicissitude | then you're halfway there. |
| 02:35.37 | dankk | I swear I did the same thing 5 times |
| 02:35.44 | dankk | then it magically works |
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| 02:37.12 | dankk | so if I did startx, it looked like KDE restarted.. |
| 02:37.30 | dankk | Is the old one still running? |
| 02:37.47 | Vicissitude | does everything seem slow? |
| 02:38.13 | dankk | honestly is that the only way to tell? It's an old computer |
| 02:38.24 | FungiFox | :P |
| 02:38.28 | dankk | google.com |
| 02:38.37 | dankk | sorry, I keep forgetting to switch keyboards |
| 02:38.54 | FungiFox | should be in the process list. |
| 02:39.00 | Vicissitude | dankk, you could do something silly like checking the running processes for it |
| 02:39.27 | FungiFox | i forgot how to list :P |
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| 02:41.24 | dankk | what happens when I type apt-get update? |
| 02:41.31 | dankk | updates everything or...? |
| 02:41.51 | Vicissitude | it'll look at sources.list and check what's updatable |
| 02:41.56 | FungiFox | i think it updates everything installed if the new version is release. |
| 02:42.08 | Vicissitude | apt-get upgrade will do the upgrading of software and such |
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| 02:42.34 | dankk | and that's all I have to do to keep my system up to date? |
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| 02:43.45 | Vicissitude | that depends on you, of course, as the owner of the system :) |
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| 03:13.41 | jelly-home | dankk: read /msg dpkg update |
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| 03:28.40 | dankk | what does it mean when a program can't connect to x server? |
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| 03:30.26 | peterrooney | dankk: X server isn't running, or isn't allowing a connection from that particular terminal - a common occurance when dealing with reattaching to a screen session |
| 03:31.03 | dankk | but what is X server? |
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| 03:33.57 | peterrooney | X server is the program that (i) draws on your monitor and (ii) takes input from your keyboard/mouse, for typical programs that you want to run. Say, a browser or a media player. |
| 03:34.45 | dankk | thanks |
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| 03:38.10 | youlysses_mbl | Oh wow, Debian has translations for Lojban!? |
| 03:39.31 | dankk | why can I not go home |
| 03:39.36 | dankk | sorry |
| 03:40.20 | peterrooney | dankk: whoami ; cd |
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| 03:40.33 | dankk | I really am having trouble with this |
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| 03:40.48 | dankk | I want to go to the directory home/downloads |
| 03:41.13 | dankk | I have typed it a billion possible ways, and I know it's just a syntax error |
| 03:41.53 | peterrooney | dankk: cd |
| 03:42.01 | dankk | cd |
| 03:42.15 | dankk | that takes me to ~ |
| 03:42.22 | dankk | what is ~ called? |
| 03:42.34 | peterrooney | cd (without arguments) brings you to your home directory, abbreviated "~" (tilde) |
| 03:42.53 | dankk | okay |
| 03:43.16 | dankk | It's just really frusterating because I'm looking at the ffolder in a file manager and what the supposed path is but for some reason I can't get there |
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| 03:44.44 | peterrooney | dankk: it's probably /home/dank/Downloads - try cd ~/Downloads OR cd ~/downloads |
| 03:45.43 | dankk | nope. |
| 03:46.03 | dankk | I made the folder called Downloads in Home |
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| 03:47.00 | dankk | false alarm |
| 03:47.22 | dankk | apparently Dolphin is calling /root Home? |
| 03:48.08 | dankk | and case sensitive |
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| 03:52.53 | dankk | I can't run a program as root, but I can't run it as my user either... |
| 03:54.43 | peterrooney | dankk: I see now. You ran startx as root. Root's home directory is normally /root |
| 03:55.14 | peterrooney | dankk: You probably want to use a display manager such as kdm. |
| 03:55.40 | dankk | what does that do? |
| 03:58.11 | peterrooney | dankk: A display manager manages a user login session, starts an X server for them. exit/kill X, as root, run "apt-get install kdm", then "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" if it doesn't start automatically after installing. |
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| 04:00.15 | peterrooney | also, I noticed from earlier: "apt-get update" only tells your system what the latest available versions are. "apt-get dist-upgrade" actually installs the latest versions of software you have installed. |
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| 04:00.29 | dankk | really? |
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| 04:01.12 | dankk | yeah those commands don't work |
| 04:01.28 | dankk | bash: kill: x: arguments must be process or job ID's |
| 04:01.49 | peterrooney | dankk: really. the man page is informative on the subject taking some random person's advice blindly is not normally advised. both apt-get options require root. |
| 04:02.08 | peterrooney | s/subject/subject./ |
| 04:02.18 | dankk | okay I'm completely confused |
| 04:02.32 | dankk | I'm not even talking about that |
| 04:02.41 | dankk | I've spent like 4 hours trying to do one thing |
| 04:04.06 | peterrooney | dankk, what are you trying to do? |
| 04:04.34 | dankk | well I've been trying to follow what appear to be simple instructions on installing the tor browser bundle |
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| 04:05.07 | dankk | but every thing is a problem for some reason |
| 04:05.28 | dankk | for instance, right now I can't even shut down my computer? |
| 04:05.32 | dankk | there's no option |
| 04:05.56 | peterrooney | dankk: let me guess. You were instructed to add a line to your sources.list |
| 04:05.57 | dankk | holy shit holy shit holy shit |
| 04:06.06 | dankk | figured it out |
| 04:06.09 | dankk | sorry for the profanity |
| 04:06.19 | dankk | I was running x inside x |
| 04:06.26 | dankk | I think |
| 04:07.06 | dankk | yes, that is what I was instructed to do |
| 04:07.45 | peterrooney | dankk: experiment with and learn a terminal based text editor - vi, nano, emacs, what have you. It has long been suggested that root should never run an X session. |
| 04:07.55 | dankk | and I was trying to figure out how to do that |
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| 04:09.23 | peterrooney | dankk: I normally run such things as "su -" , followed by "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" once I've become root. |
| 04:09.24 | dankk | well I couldn't figure out how to open sources.list in a text editor |
| 04:09.54 | dankk | su thorndale |
| 04:09.57 | dankk | lol |
| 04:10.00 | dankk | wrong window |
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| 04:10.44 | dankk | what is nano? |
| 04:10.47 | dankk | your user? |
| 04:10.49 | peterrooney | dankk: kwrite would have had to have had an X server running that root was allowed to connect to. |
| 04:10.58 | peterrooney | nano is a terminal based text editor. |
| 04:11.05 | FungiFox | nano is a text editor. |
| 04:11.18 | dankk | okay then why did it say no password entry for user nano |
| 04:12.16 | FungiFox | type su enter, enter password. then nano /etc/blah/blah blah |
| 04:12.20 | dankk | okay okay. I get it. |
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| 04:12.36 | dankk | sweet jesus this is a struggle |
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| 04:12.39 | peterrooney | dankk: you'd have to read carefully the man page for su |
| 04:13.10 | peterrooney | dankk: it's generally easier to hit CTRL ALT F1 and log in as root directly |
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| 04:13.56 | dankk | now, how do I save from nano? |
| 04:13.59 | peterrooney | dankk: then press ALT LEFTARROW a couple times to get back to your regular-user X session. |
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| 04:14.11 | dankk | write out? |
| 04:14.14 | peterrooney | dankk: nano has hints at the bottom of the screen. |
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| 04:14.24 | peterrooney | dankk: yes, CTRL O |
| 04:14.59 | avallark | ls |
| 04:15.06 | dankk | excellent |
| 04:15.53 | peterrooney | dankk: it can be a struggle before you have the paradigms settled in your head - after a while, suddenly many things become clear. |
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| 04:16.19 | dankk | yeah I'm worknig on it |
| 04:16.21 | dankk | working |
| 04:17.12 | peterrooney | dankk: which is why I recommend practicing with nano as a regular user. a regular user doesn't have the permissions needed to hose a system. |
| 04:17.39 | dankk | hose? |
| 04:17.52 | Vicissitude | break |
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| 04:18.19 | dankk | I made a folder called Downloads in a home directory when I was in the other Xthing. Where do I find that? |
| 04:18.27 | peterrooney | Imagine applying a working garden hose to your computer. |
| 04:18.41 | dankk | yes haha |
| 04:18.56 | peterrooney | dankk: what does the "whoami" command tell you? |
| 04:19.44 | dankk | not root |
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| 04:21.01 | dankk | it says Dank |
| 04:21.15 | peterrooney | dankk: "cd" without any arguments takes you to your home directory, after which "cd Downloads" should take you into your downloads directory. |
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| 04:21.36 | dankk | it doens't exist |
| 04:21.44 | dankk | I can't find anything I did in the other session |
| 04:22.07 | peterrooney | maybe you created it when you were root, in which case, it would be /root/Downloads. |
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| 04:22.49 | peterrooney | dankk: anyways, I have to go now; I hope you get your tor browser thingamabob figured out. |
| 04:22.52 | dankk | okay so it's lost forever. I'll just do it again |
| 04:22.56 | dankk | thank you |
| 04:22.57 | dankk | =] |
| 04:23.12 | peterrooney | dankk: you're welcome. I've helped as much as my time permits tonight. |
| 04:23.26 | dankk | I Appreciated it |
| 04:23.30 | dankk | appreciate* |
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| 04:28.25 | dankk | got it |
| 04:28.26 | dankk | thank you guys |
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| 04:34.14 | Sycpuppy | Debian 7 kernel support non-PAE? |
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| 04:36.26 | jelly-home | Sycpuppy: yes, there's a -486 kernel flavor that does |
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| 04:49.21 | Sycpuppy | ty, found the Non-PAE one. |
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| 04:55.04 | gnuvince- | Is there a way to explore packages in the backports tree? |
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| 05:15.40 | themill | gnuvince-: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/ |
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| 06:20.44 | mumpitzel | exorcist: do you know that your talet supports debian? |
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| 06:24.34 | truexfan81 | i see e17 is in the sid repos, any chance of it being backported to wheezy? |
| 06:25.23 | mumpitzel | truexfan81: no realistic chance |
| 06:25.32 | truexfan81 | sighs |
| 06:25.48 | truexfan81 | i guess i'll compile it then |
| 06:26.02 | mumpitzel | tried to backport it yourself? |
| 06:26.20 | truexfan81 | no, i don't want to break my package management lol |
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| 06:31.43 | themill | it's a long way from being a trivial backport |
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| 06:32.23 | themill | The version in jessie looks much easier to backport though. I don't know what has changed. |
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| 06:33.45 | themill | If you also backport a pile of libe* packages first then you'll get there... fun. |
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| 06:39.20 | factor | I am having a problem finding the dev package for gthread-2.0 |
| 06:39.40 | factor | read some it may be in glib 2. 0 dev but have it installed. |
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| 06:42.19 | youlysses_mbl | Any solid, introductory guide in setting up and maintaining an email-server? |
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| 06:43.19 | themill | youlysses_mbl: you could do plenty worse than look at the information on workaround.org |
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| 06:49.12 | youlysses_mbl | themill: Thanks, I'll certainly look into it. |
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| 07:19.09 | neo1691 | Hello Everyone |
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| 07:28.58 | neo1691 | I created a new 100 gb partition for moving my /home partition and moved it, it shows 94 gb used and the original /home partition is showing 63 gb (with some contents unreadable). Is that ok?? Basically I want to move on from ubuntu to debian |
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| 07:30.15 | admiralakber | neo1691: Is this according to "df -h" ? |
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| 07:30.52 | neo1691 | admiralakber: Its according to the properties of the window manager, i'll try it using your command |
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| 07:35.48 | neo1691 | admiralakber: I have moved my /home to /old_home and mounted the new partition as home, I want o find out the size of the /old_home folder which basically lies on a 186 GB single partition mounted as / |
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| 07:37.28 | mumpitzel | neo1691: cd /old_home |
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| 07:37.39 | mumpitzel | du -sm |
| 07:37.46 | pagios_ | hello can anyone help me solve this problem? http://pastie.org/8223918 |
| 07:38.02 | pagios_ | getting that error when trying to apt-get |
| 07:38.30 | mumpitzel | pagios_: you are mixing debian testing and debian stable. this will break your debian and lead to a reinstallation down the line. |
| 07:38.44 | pagios_ | what to do? |
| 07:39.04 | mumpitzel | not installing anything from testing. |
| 07:39.15 | pagios_ | its an arm based system |
| 07:39.24 | pagios_ | ok now how can i solve what i did wrong |
| 07:39.28 | mumpitzel | that's irrelevant. why did you want to install anything from testing? |
| 07:39.52 | mumpitzel | you remove the packages you installed from testing by replacing them with the proper ones from debian stable |
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| 07:44.48 | pagios_ | mumixam_: http://pastebin.com/JTJuiQ9L getting this error on apt-get update |
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| 07:46.31 | mumpitzel | !tell pagios_ about no_pubkey |
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| 07:47.41 | pagios_ | gpg --keyserver http://ftp-master.debian.org/ --recv-key AED4B06F473041FA ? |
| 07:48.03 | pagios_ | how can i add the key |
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| 07:50.08 | mumpitzel | pagios_: what debian did you install and when? |
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| 08:46.47 | theos | hi |
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| 08:48.05 | theos | does openssi work on debian wheezy? |
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| 08:48.40 | mumpitzel | yes |
| 08:49.25 | theos | the last openssi version that came out is for sarge i think. so i can use that for wheezy too? |
| 08:49.36 | mumpitzel | ,v openssl |
| 08:49.37 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2; jessie: 1.0.1e-3; sid: 1.0.1e-3 |
| 08:49.50 | theos | openssi not openssl |
| 08:49.58 | mumpitzel | looks almost the same. sorry |
| 08:50.01 | theos | ,v openssi |
| 08:50.02 | judd | No package named 'openssi' was found in i386. |
| 08:50.56 | theos | its a cluster software. is there an alternative cluster single system image for debian? thanks |
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| 08:58.13 | RadoQ | Moin... for 3-4 weeks I experience some network performance deterioration... are there any known issues with debian or shall I investigate elsewhere? |
| 08:58.57 | RadoQ | I'm using wheezy/stable and upgrading security packages occasionally. |
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| 09:01.47 | RadoQ | It worked for >1y but changed as said 3-4weeks ago. |
| 09:01.52 | RadoQ | +fine |
| 09:02.33 | avallark | RadoQ: look for open ports etc. to verify the system hasnt been compromised. |
| 09:03.07 | RadoQ | Only dhcp&ntp, where dhcp is from me. |
| 09:03.15 | RadoQ | ntp, of course, too. ;) |
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| 09:03.33 | avallark | Is this an online server? do you run stuff off it? |
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| 09:07.27 | sttau | I need more space on /tmp than I currently have for a program that ignores $TMP; is it a good idea to remount /tmp on a running desktop system? |
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| 09:09.08 | UserError | Hello, i'm wondering how to run X11 from chroot in debian? |
| 09:09.51 | UserError | i am running into an X / tty error, the tty isn't usable in either root or user |
| 09:10.06 | theos | startx? |
| 09:10.13 | UserError | doesn't work |
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| 09:10.44 | UserError | checked inittab , Xauth, etc |
| 09:10.57 | UserError | can't be drivers, using fbdev |
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| 09:12.45 | RadoQ | avallark, no, just end-user desktop/notebook. |
| 09:12.48 | mumpitzel | your chroot has access to /dev? |
| 09:13.45 | RadoQ | sttau, if you keep it short it might work if you don't have much else running that might be busy on /tmp. |
| 09:13.51 | UserError | ywa |
| 09:13.59 | UserError | yes |
| 09:14.15 | UserError | pts0 shows in chroot |
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| 09:18.38 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 09:18.58 | Wulf | when compiling a package, it always uses "-O2 -g", how can I use different flags? |
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| 09:20.04 | korn36 | hello, i formatted my usb drive to the ext4 file system, but it's only writable by root. can i make it writable by everyone? |
| 09:20.15 | sttau | it's not going to be short, but what the hell... maybe I should have SIGSTOP'ed the xulrunner processes... |
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| 09:22.31 | korn36 | will chmod 777 be enough? |
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| 09:26.08 | danners | hi |
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| 09:26.39 | danners | I can't get sound working; using aplay -Dplughw:0,0 -c2 file.mp3 # i do get a fuzzy white noise |
| 09:27.08 | danners | So those arguments might be revealing, even if it doesn't play the actual mp3 (fuzz is better than silence imo!) |
| 09:27.46 | danners | Any pointers? Thanks :) |
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| 09:38.39 | well_laid_lawn | tried with -c1 ? |
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| 09:40.50 | korn36 | danners: mp3... using aplay... what? |
| 09:40.53 | korn36 | play a wav file |
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| 09:41.09 | korn36 | doesn't aplay treat everything as raw PCM? |
| 09:41.15 | korn36 | this would explain the fuzz |
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| 13:27.29 | jelly-home | admiralakber: mosix has been unsupported for years |
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| 13:28.16 | jelly-home | sorry, the free openmosix has. |
| 13:28.18 | bjoernb | hi |
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| 13:29.25 | bjoernb | i have a partition with cryptsetup on an external drive that gets mounted by gnome3 providing the passphrase. however the user has no priveleges on that partition. only root. how to change this? |
| 13:29.50 | jelly-home | bjoernb: which filesystem type is used |
| 13:29.59 | bjoernb | jelly-home: ext4 |
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| 13:30.40 | jelly-home | bjoernb: ext4 has normal unix permissions, so just change the ownerships or permissions to give access to your user |
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| 13:31.35 | bjoernb | jelly-home: i want those permissions always when the device gets mounted. |
| 13:31.51 | jelly-home | bjoernb: the changes are permanent |
| 13:32.24 | jelly-home | when you chown a file or directory on ext4, it stays chowned |
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| 13:34.03 | bjoernb | jelly-home: i might mount the partition also on other computers with other users. |
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| 13:35.11 | bjoernb | i want every user who knows the cryptsetup passphrase to be able to mount the device |
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| 13:36.13 | admiralakber | jelly-home, mumpitzel, thanks. I think all my questions about the technology have been answered. Very interesting stuff. |
| 13:36.18 | jelly-home | bjoernb: in that case, use such permissions that allow access for any uid or gid. |
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| 13:37.17 | bjoernb | jelly-home: do you have an example? i did chmod 755 |
| 13:37.40 | jelly-home | bjoernb: however the (other) user's umask settings will dictate permissions for newly created files, and you're going to have to fix them the whole time. |
| 13:38.18 | bjoernb | jelly-home: is there no generic way to handle this? |
| 13:38.27 | jelly-home | bjoernb: not on ext4 |
| 13:38.40 | bjoernb | ok. that is bad. |
| 13:39.49 | bjoernb | thanks for your help |
| 13:39.54 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 13:40.28 | jelly-home | oh well. No http://lwn.net/Articles/496891/ link for you then |
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| 14:17.16 | katr0 | Hi all, Trying to remote unlock via ssh after reading /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.remote.gz and numerous posts and bugs. I'm not quite sure how to unlock the system (already in busybox shell) and continue the boot process. |
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| 14:19.16 | tremon | katr0: you're already connected via ssh? |
| 14:19.27 | katr0 | tremon: Yes |
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| 14:20.04 | tremon | according to the doc, simply write the passphrase to /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo |
| 14:20.27 | tremon | i.e. echo -ne "passphrase" >/lib/cryptsetup/passfifo |
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| 14:21.35 | katr0 | tremon: I did that but the boot process doesn't start/continue. |
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| 14:23.02 | nsouer | Greetings all. Wheezy user here running KDE, it looks like there is an upstream "bug" that causes xterm to open with a default directory of ~/Documents rather than just ~ |
| 14:23.35 | nsouer | I was wondering if anyone had any success with restoring sane behavior without having to update KDE beyond whats in wheezy repos? |
| 14:23.44 | tremon | katr0: I've never used it, but what are the last messages on the console? Is it still waiting or did it bail out? |
| 14:24.06 | katr0 | tremon: I have no physical access to the system. |
| 14:24.09 | jelly-home | nsouer: xterm or konsole? |
| 14:24.34 | nsouer | xterm, konsole can be manually configured in its settings |
| 14:24.48 | nsouer | specifically, its if launched with krunner or the menu |
| 14:25.00 | tremon | katr0: you could try unlocking manually (cryptsetup luksOpen), or check its status (cryptsetup status), I'm unsure what functionality actually exists in the initramfs |
| 14:25.03 | nsouer | if one opens an xterm from an existing shell behavior is as expected |
| 14:25.07 | jelly-home | nsouer: with konsole, you can edit the default Shell profile and force an initial directory as a workaround |
| 14:25.35 | jelly-home | yeah. |
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| 14:26.12 | tremon | katr0: trying these things out without having console access is a challenge, do you at least have a backup plan/initrd to revert if you can't get it to work? |
| 14:26.52 | jelly-home | that's because plasma-desktop's PWD seems to be ~/Documents/ |
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| 14:27.13 | jelly-home | (which kind of makes sense) |
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| 14:27.54 | katr0 | tremon: I have already unlocked it manually (cryptsetup luksOpen) but the booting process doesn't move on. I have a rescue system that I can boot. |
| 14:28.10 | nsouer | jelly-home, in a non-unix kind of way it certainly does, it looks like upstream changed the bahavior back in 4.9 |
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| 14:29.06 | nsouer | anyway, thanks for the thoughts... not sure if I'll try and hack around with something ugly in a .bashrc or see how I like konsole |
| 14:29.15 | tremon | katr0: possibly, there is a cryptsetup/init process that's still waiting for input. Since you've already unlocked it manually, you can try to kill it and see if the boot process moves on. Use ps too see which processes are active |
| 14:29.15 | nsouer | jelly-home thanks for your input |
| 14:29.29 | tremon | btw if you don't have console access, how do you know the boot process is still halted? |
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| 14:33.31 | katr0 | tremon: I would kill the init process, normally when the boot process follows you cannot be connected to the pre-boot busybox but not 100% sure. In the past this was the case. |
| 14:34.21 | tremon | killing init would panic the kernel, I was hoping there was an obvious "unlock root" subprocess |
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| 14:35.35 | tremon | and I'm not sure about init automatically killing ssh. It would make sense for the pre-boot environment to do so, but it would have to be done explicitly. Neither exec init nor the pivot_root automatically kills running processes |
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| 14:40.35 | tremon | it would be easy to check though: the first step after unlocking root is to mount root (in /root or /target iirc), so cat /proc/mounts should show that |
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| 14:42.47 | jordilopezamat1 | dear #debian community |
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| 14:43.22 | jelly-home | and CutMeOwnThroat! |
| 14:43.43 | jordilopezamat1 | I would like to make Icedove(Thunderbird) my default e-mail app when clicking any emailto link on my browser... ¿how to? :-) |
| 14:43.45 | katr0 | tremon: the running processes http://trashb.info/42704512 |
| 14:43.47 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks beforehand |
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| 14:44.40 | Frederick | jordilopezamat1: which window manager? |
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| 14:45.32 | jordilopezamat1 | Xfce!... Frederick, thanks |
| 14:46.01 | jordilopezamat1 | Now i have gmail configured when click-triggering mailto ... |
| 14:46.18 | tremon | katr0: well that does show that the system hasn't moved on, but there is no obvious crypt process. You may try killing init, but I don't expect it will help. Not much else I can think of though |
| 14:46.24 | Frederick | jordilopezamat1: :) |
| 14:46.31 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat1: run the xfce control panel (xfce4-settings-manager), click on Preferred Applications |
| 14:46.40 | jordilopezamat1 | and (i got rid of my gmail, after prism thing... ) i want thunderbird instead of |
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| 14:47.14 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat1: the rest should be obvious |
| 14:47.20 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks jelly-home , trying now ... |
| 14:48.22 | jordilopezamat1 | may i guess this (your) tip would now launch icedove instead of gmail, when clickin 'mailto' links... |
| 14:48.23 | jordilopezamat1 | :-) |
| 14:48.44 | jelly-home | !tias |
| 14:48.44 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 14:48.54 | jordilopezamat1 | :-D |
| 14:49.17 | pederindi1 | !test |
| 14:49.18 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:49.21 | pederindi1 | :D |
| 14:49.32 | jordilopezamat1 | hi dear pederindi |
| 14:49.35 | jordilopezamat1 | ;-) |
| 14:49.37 | jordilopezamat1 | hola |
| 14:49.51 | pederindi1 | hi ;) |
| 14:50.03 | jordilopezamat1 | nice to see you around here... |
| 14:50.20 | katr0 | tremon: In any case thank you. In this setup to many things can go wrong.... |
| 14:50.30 | jordilopezamat1 | loreans and debianners (we) are so close to each other... |
| 14:50.42 | jordilopezamat1 | i guess! |
| 14:51.03 | jelly-home | no access to console at boot is the first thing that's wrong :-| |
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| 14:52.32 | katr0 | jelly-home: Well sometimes you don't have this luxury. |
| 14:53.01 | os7een | hi all \o |
| 14:53.14 | jordilopezamat1 | jelly-home ... |
| 14:53.22 | jelly-home | I kind of consider it a necessity, but I see where people might buy hardware that says "things will NEVER go wrong, we don't need this" |
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| 14:54.01 | jordilopezamat1 | ..."the rest should be obvious", ... not so for a(n) (eternal) newbie like me |
| 14:54.20 | jordilopezamat1 | followed your tip... but no joy (yet) |
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| 14:54.48 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat1: you picked Icedove as Mail Reader but it doesn't work? |
| 14:54.49 | jordilopezamat1 | when i click on 'mailto' links... gmail is still launched... ¿what am i missing? |
| 14:54.51 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks again |
| 14:54.56 | jordilopezamat1 | yep |
| 14:55.07 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat1: whcih browser? |
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| 14:55.28 | jordilopezamat1 | brother Iceweasel |
| 14:55.37 | jelly-home | restart it, I guess |
| 14:55.43 | katr0 | jelly-home: I hope you don't sleep on a datacenter :) |
| 14:55.47 | jordilopezamat1 | .. i was guessing so |
| 14:55.53 | jordilopezamat1 | haha... |
| 14:56.06 | jordilopezamat1 | :-) |
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| 14:56.16 | jelly-home | katr0: I don't have to, we have remote management. |
| 14:56.20 | os7een | when I do e.g. 'aptitude search ntfs-3g', as output i get -> 'i A ntfs-3g', what does the 'A' means ? |
| 14:57.07 | rypervenche | os7een: It was installed as a dependency to something else. |
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| 14:57.38 | rypervenche | os7een: You if run "man aptitude" you can find the official documentation on it. |
| 14:57.58 | jordilopezamat1 | jelly-home still no joy... |
| 14:58.11 | jordilopezamat1 | (after browser restart ) |
| 14:58.25 | jelly-home | jordilopezamat1: no ideas then. Have you tried logging off and back on again? :-D |
| 14:58.32 | os7een | rypervenche, thanks, and is there any way to see what package depends on it ? |
| 14:58.45 | jordilopezamat1 | yep, that's next test... |
| 14:58.47 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks! |
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| 15:00.30 | rypervenche | os7een: apt-rdepends may work, but I think that's for its dependencies. |
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| 15:01.42 | os7een | rypervenche, thanks, I'll look into it :) |
| 15:03.00 | rypervenche | os7een: I don't use Debian anymore, so I'm sorry I don't have the answer right on me. |
| 15:03.31 | os7een | rypervenche, np, you helped me a lot, thanks for your time :D |
| 15:03.45 | ksdncv | is there a way to force apt-get/aptitude to keep 32 bit packages in sync every time a 64 bit package (or -dev with dependencies) is installed? |
| 15:04.20 | pederindi1 | rypervenche: why you don't use Debian anymore, and what are you using? |
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| 15:06.13 | rypervenche | pederindi1: I Gentoo on all of my computers/servers now. I still recommend Debian to friends and family though whenever I convert them to Linux :) |
| 15:06.22 | rypervenche | s/I/I use/ |
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| 15:07.03 | pederindi1 | rypervenche: thanks for answer :) |
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| 15:08.27 | tremon | ksdncv: no, but there is no way to install different versions of the same package across architectures either |
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| 15:09.19 | tremon | ksdncv: in other words, if you install a 32-bit package and the corresponding 64-bit package is installed but of a different version, then apt will simply refuse to install |
| 15:10.22 | ksdncv | thats the reason why it would be useful that apt-get installs both at the same time |
| 15:11.06 | jelly-home | installs one and upgrades the other, with possible breakage? |
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| 15:11.27 | katr0 | jordilopezamat: Which web browser are you using? |
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| 15:13.50 | tremon | ksdncv: ah, I though "in sync" meant "same versions", but you mean "same installed state". No, I don't think there is. Possibly you could write a wrapper, but then you would need to detect which packages are multi-arch:same |
| 15:14.55 | tremon | maybe aptitude has a way to filter on m-a:same tags, then you can at least report on m-a:same packages that need installing |
| 15:15.07 | ksdncv | if you could install different versions there wouldnt be a problem, all this comes from the tight to the ridiculousness of some package versioning |
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| 15:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home! |
| 15:16.49 | ksdncv | having amd64 and i386 packages combined with overly strict versioning and freecad from unstable is a nightmare, which used to work fine on older versions. My old 2006 install which changed because of hard disk size upgrade was a lot more stable to having some different version packages as new one (although had almost no i386 stuff back then) |
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| 15:17.35 | tremon | to me, that sounds like you are complaining that debian unstable isn't stable enough? |
| 15:17.41 | ksdncv | but new install is trouble of the week for every package, even with just less than 10 non-stable packages (due to one package not available in stable) |
| 15:18.00 | ksdncv | actually, debian unstable might be more stable than stable's apt |
| 15:18.14 | ksdncv | dont know, just know that older versions didnt mess up that much with versioning |
| 15:18.17 | tremon | there is a very good reason why we tell people not to mix packages from stable and unstable |
| 15:18.59 | nmsss | hi guys, win7 user here new to linux, should I get debian7 or LMDE Mate? I think i will like gnome3 |
| 15:19.27 | ksdncv | still, while not optimal, it used to work a lot better than now |
| 15:19.51 | ksdncv | used to have a frankendebian with packages from every version and worked fine, now have just a few packages from other version and its a complete mess |
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| 15:20.30 | ksdncv | thats proof that something in the package manager is going on the wrong direction, when instead of becoming more solid to tolerate issues becomes more feeble |
| 15:20.56 | tremon | it proves nothing |
| 15:21.42 | tremon | if anything, it's only an indication, and a bad one at that. The package manager has never supported installing packages from different architectures before, so you can't call it a regression either |
| 15:23.00 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: I started with the default gnome......its close enought to win so you will not get too lost as you try to figure out stuff... |
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| 15:23.22 | tremon | and yes, allowing the package manager to manage more does imply that certain hacks may no longer work. It's a good thing we have debian unstable where things are not necessarily expected to work :) |
| 15:23.51 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: also if your not using KVIRC... I suggest you do..... it runs on both win & linux... less of a learning curve |
| 15:24.05 | tremon | nmsss: you are asking on #debian. What answer do you think you'll get? :) |
| 15:24.30 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: thank you, it seems quite nice, i think ill like it |
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| 15:25.37 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: I take it that you don't like Win8? |
| 15:26.16 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: havent tried it but yes, win8 looks horrible, i like win7's UI |
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| 15:28.29 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: the current Gnome is decent....what I suggest ...if yout tech enough that is.... dual boot that system or Virtual box (oracle VB on Google) ... eg don't burn that win install till your sure your ready to tell MS jum in the lake |
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| 15:29.53 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: ok ill do that, ive been playing with a live LMDE-Mate DVD, ill give a VB a try, yes either way i will be dualbooting for gaming and photoshop and stuff like that |
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| 15:31.21 | Will_Tampa | The VB way will give you a taste of the system with out killing your main win system... I have 2 HDS at the moment ... 1 wilth win 7 & the other with debian |
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| 15:34.15 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: that sounds great, so u installed VB on your win7 install? i will read the docu now |
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| 15:35.33 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: VB is another tool that is usable on BOTH Win & Linux.... later on whna you want to dump win for the most part.... you can VB win 7 in Linux.... |
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| 15:36.42 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: ok I see, that sounds great! thank u |
| 15:37.13 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: No Problem..... |
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| 15:38.13 | Zerith | Is this a technical-support channel? |
| 15:38.26 | Will_Tampa | nmsss: as a tip... any software that you can install that is cross platform (eg both linux & win) will lessen the learning curve of going linux |
| 15:39.48 | tremon | Zerith: yes, for various values of tech support |
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| 15:42.13 | nmsss | Will_Tampa: ok thanks |
| 15:43.27 | Zerith | Hey. Why does every installation of linux has to be accompanied by excruciating problems with drivers? :( |
| 15:43.40 | Zerith | I've recently installed the latest Debian on my machine. went on to install the nVidia drivers according to the instructions in the Wiki. after rebooting - I got a black screen and a blinking cursor (X couldn't start I guess?). What I did next was to remove that driver and install the 'official' drivers off the nVidia website. |
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| 15:44.08 | Zerith | after that I could boot, but my 'video performance' was very poor, and especially noticeable while scrolling or playing flash videos |
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| 15:45.17 | Zerith | Any suggestions? |
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| 15:48.54 | tremon | did you try running without the nvidia binary drivers first? For certain cards, the regular drivers perform adequately. I'm not up to date on the nvidia situation though, Intel and AMD tend to just work out of the box |
| 15:49.50 | Zerith | tremon: you mean the nouveau drivers? I haven't checked its performance, but I assumed that it wouldn't be as good as the proprietary one |
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| 15:51.37 | tremon | yes, I meant nouveau. But they're only "not as good" in the 3d rendering part, all other features (2d rendering, multi-screen, suspend&resume) are better with the open drivers |
| 15:52.15 | tremon | I heard that newer nvidia blobs at least support xrandr 1.2 |
| 15:53.12 | Zerith | tremon: I mostly care about 2d, so I'll try that then.. |
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| 15:53.43 | Zerith | would love input from anyone else too.. |
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| 15:54.09 | finkelflix | hello |
| 15:54.17 | ChibaPet | Zerith: hi, reading scrollback |
| 15:54.23 | finkelflix | hi, the text in the GUI is too small, so i can read it so i cant work acan any1 help me? |
| 15:54.39 | finkelflix | *can't read it |
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| 15:55.19 | ChibaPet | Zerith: Alright. So, the nVidia-supplied drivers are generally okay, but unless you have very specific reasons (and there are almost none extant) you want to use the ones packaged for Debian. |
| 15:55.40 | Zerith | mm |
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| 15:55.50 | ChibaPet | Zerith: Note that there needs to be some config in place that doesn't automatically exist. You can get it into place with nvidia-xconfig as I remember. |
| 15:56.01 | ChibaPet | Reboot or restart things as you wish afterwards. |
| 15:56.05 | tremon | finkelflix: which gui? for gnome3, it's in the personal settings, top bar, on the right side |
| 15:56.20 | finkelflix | tremon: i have xfce |
| 15:56.35 | finkelflix | but in every gui the text is small |
| 15:56.43 | Zerith | OK. Thanks for your help ! I will do that. ChibaPet tremon :) |
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| 15:57.01 | ChibaPet | The version packaged for Debian is fairly good about removing the results of the nVidia installer, but you tread on ill-defined ground using it. And mostly there's no great reason to use it. I tried it for better OpenGL multithreading support but there wasn't noticeable improvement over what comes from nonfree. |
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| 15:58.15 | Zerith | ChibaPet: wait. when you said '..you want to use the ones packaged for Debian.' You meant Nouveau, right? |
| 15:58.20 | ChibaPet | Zerith: Note that rather than having an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, a nice, clean thing to do is to have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 15:58.52 | finkelflix | i cant even change the gui in the display manager because the font is too small |
| 15:59.18 | ChibaPet | Zerith: If you can use Nouveau, it's likely to be very undramatic - perhaps even pleasant. Some things bomb if you try to run them under Nouveau. Depends on what you're doing. I refer specifically to the proprietary drivers, but from the nonfree repository, not via the nVidia installer. |
| 15:59.37 | rudi_s | !tell Zerith about nvidia |
| 15:59.46 | rudi_s | !tell Zerith about nvidia dkms |
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| 16:00.27 | ChibaPet | even better |
| 16:00.28 | Zerith | ChibaPet: well yeah..I tried installing the nvidia drivers packaged with debian (using the instructions from the WIki) but they just wouldn't work (got a blinking cursor with a black screen) |
| 16:00.50 | tremon | finkelflix: X dpi settings are a bit hairy, and I don't know if this is up-to-date, but try http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 16:00.54 | ChibaPet | Zerith: Lack of a config in place and possibly lack of Nouveau blacklisting would cause that. |
| 16:01.20 | ChibaPet | Zerith: That's a common "oh, right, now let me finish the install" symptom when I see it. |
| 16:01.25 | Zerith | Is it possible the script found in the Wiki didn't work as it was suppose to"? |
| 16:01.34 | ChibaPet | Zerith: Link? |
| 16:01.46 | Zerith | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 16:01.51 | Zerith | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 16:02.04 | finkelflix | ok |
| 16:02.21 | finkelflix | i try it |
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| 16:03.11 | tremon | finkelflix: could you paste the most recent /var/log/Xorg* file as well? |
| 16:03.14 | ChibaPet | Zerith: No, that looks quite right actually. If I were on your system, I'd try that again, after giving the nVidia installer a shot at deinstalling itself first. |
| 16:03.37 | ChibaPet | Zerith: And I'd remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or move it aside if you don't want to lose it) to make sure there's nothing untoward in it. |
| 16:04.27 | Zerith | ChibaPet: ok..I hope I get different results this time |
| 16:04.57 | ChibaPet | Zerith: You will, after sufficient tweaking. And you'll come out of it with enhanced understanding, pleasant in and of itself. |
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| 16:06.28 | Zerith | <rebooting now into Debian to do this..> |
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| 16:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you tell him there's non-graphic irc clients like irssi? :) |
| 16:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | or her, as may be |
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| 16:08.01 | ChibaPet | Didn't occur to me until afterwards. |
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| 16:08.45 | finkelflix | second |
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| 16:09.10 | ctmjr | finkelflix: you need to change the dpi settings in settings -> appearance -> fonts -> custom dpi the higher the number the larger the font |
| 16:09.59 | ctmjr | you can edit the config files but this is easier |
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| 16:10.24 | finkelflix | i tried this but even in the settings i cant see anything because the font is too small |
| 16:11.01 | finkelflix | where can i paste the xorg.conf? |
| 16:11.14 | tremon | paste.debian.org |
| 16:11.25 | tremon | er, paste.debian.net that is |
| 16:11.29 | finkelflix | ok |
| 16:12.11 | tremon | but I asked about the log :) |
| 16:12.15 | finkelflix | http://paste.debian.net/23999/ |
| 16:12.24 | finkelflix | which log? |
| 16:12.45 | tremon | /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably, check the file dates |
| 16:13.27 | tremon | finkelflix: you have an explicit dpi configured, what happens if you completely remove/rename xorg.conf? |
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| 16:14.12 | finkelflix | yea the dpi 100x100 i changed minutes ago |
| 16:14.15 | finkelflix | but didnt help |
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| 16:15.24 | finkelflix | and when i rename it nothing happens to |
| 16:15.51 | ChibaPet | finkelflix: the smaller the number, the bigger the fonts - I'd consider mutating that and seeing what it does |
| 16:16.14 | ChibaPet | 100 is fairly small - the old Mac standard was 72 DPI - something closer to 72 might be good for you |
| 16:17.05 | finkelflix | so 72 x 72? |
| 16:17.55 | finkelflix | still nothing changed |
| 16:18.04 | finkelflix | and i cant find a log file |
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| 16:18.18 | ChibaPet | Are you restarting X between changes? |
| 16:18.24 | finkelflix | yes |
| 16:18.24 | nmsss | I want to test debian7 and see if i like it, is CD1 enough or must I get bigger files? |
| 16:18.39 | tremon | use a live cd |
| 16:18.51 | nmsss | i want to install to VB |
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| 16:19.10 | nmsss | to test properly |
| 16:19.34 | tremon | cd1 is enough for a default install, but if you have a good network connection I'd just use the netinstall cd |
| 16:19.36 | ChibaPet | tremon: I snagged a live CD recently and it seemed not to have a graphical environment. Must one choose a live CD that explicitly notes one to have one? Was going to brainwash some family with it, but the text wouldn't be compelling. |
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| 16:20.07 | tremon | not sure, I thought all livecd's did come with a DE |
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| 16:20.59 | flips | any easy way to enable a guest account like ubuntu/osx has by default (homedir deleted upon logout/reboot)? (I see some stuff in lightdm.conf, tried uncommenting, but no luck, this was in debian/kfreebsd, installing plain i386 now) |
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| 16:21.10 | nmsss | tremon: but they are smaller at 150-280mb, wont it be better to get CD1? |
| 16:21.12 | ChibaPet | I'll reproduce the experiment. What I got was enough to do the repair I wanted to accomplish, so I didn't think any more of it. |
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| 16:22.37 | tremon | nmsss: the netinstall cd's download all packages that you need. So does cd1 if you ask it to install packages not on the cd |
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| 16:24.00 | flips | it seems the kfreebsd version was slimmer by default (or did I by accident select more stuff?) ... :) |
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| 16:24.16 | Kartagis | hi |
| 16:24.37 | Jonuz | Ther are 8 part of debian wheezy in there http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ . Are very part required or are those like "extra" mirrors or something like that..? |
| 16:24.44 | ChibaPet | flips: Not seeing anything immediately, but if this is a necessary thing for you, a temporary bandaid might be having something that looks periodically and deletes the guest directory if the guest user isn't running any processes. |
| 16:25.12 | Jonuz | Are very -> Are every |
| 16:25.37 | ChibaPet | You'd probably want to have it leave a new, empty, appropriately-owned directory until you have a diretory autocreate function in place. |
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| 16:26.26 | flips | ChibaPet: yes, but it seems lightdm has some support for it, so maybe I should fetch some of the ubuntu scripts |
| 16:26.44 | tremon | Jonuz: if you have a network connection during install, you only need cd1 |
| 16:27.13 | ChibaPet | flips: Looking. LightDM does some useful things like that. (I use it.) |
| 16:27.22 | tremon | otherwise, check in the list-cd directories, look for must-have packages (note that you can install everything later as well) |
| 16:27.28 | Jonuz | Okay, so it's like network install= |
| 16:27.28 | Jonuz | ? |
| 16:27.29 | ChibaPet | (I use the autologin feature for my toddler's machine.) |
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| 16:28.24 | finkelflix | i remove xorg now competely and re-install it |
| 16:28.55 | tremon | finkelflix: don't forget to purge, otherwise you'll still end up with your old config |
| 16:29.03 | flips | ChibaPet: Installing regular wheezy now, so I'll dig in soon (just waiting for 1250 packages to install ;)) |
| 16:31.01 | flips | seems I get gnome3 and everything now ... the desktop tasksel entry in kfreebsd was just xfce (which I'm planning on running) |
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| 16:32.11 | ChibaPet | flips: You've doubtless found this, but it looks like guest-account-script is what you want to populate. Looks like it's login-only, but a login script can always clear the directory. |
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| 16:32.56 | ChibaPet | flips: I never choose a desktop environment task - I always add that stuff by hand, later, which works well enough. I never have to remember the default de jeur. |
| 16:33.48 | flips | ChibaPet: I kinda regret ... I assumed it was just as slick as the kfreebsd version (haven't installed debian in a loong time, usually just stick to upgrading ...) :) |
| 16:34.07 | ChibaPet | Well, it's as slick, it just has a different default. |
| 16:34.30 | ChibaPet | A much bigger, more frightening, ideologically vigorous default. :P |
| 16:34.37 | flips | yep ;) |
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| 16:34.51 | ChibaPet | That said, my wife and stepsons run Gnome 3 and it's been pleasant for them. |
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| 16:35.11 | ChibaPet | (abrotman told me to run it, so I had little choise.) |
| 16:35.15 | ChibaPet | (choice) |
| 16:35.21 | flips | ChibaPet: I'm setting up an old PC to be a kiosk-pc (just for guests dropping by) |
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| 16:35.55 | ChibaPet | flips: Might be worth using the autologin feature too, then. Turn it on and they're logged into something usable. |
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| 16:36.21 | flips | yep :) |
| 16:36.29 | Will_Tampa | flips: you might want to enable the guest part of your WI-FI ... so they can bring thier own toys |
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| 16:37.06 | ChibaPet | BBL, car done, driving home. |
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| 16:37.33 | flips | Will_Tampa: yes, have a dedicated guest wifi too ... :) |
| 16:37.49 | flips | (this is for a non-profit organization) |
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| 16:38.13 | finkelflix | brb |
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| 16:55.19 | finkelflix | re |
| 16:55.52 | finkelflix | now i cant even log in in the gui |
| 16:56.00 | finkelflix | and the font is still small |
| 16:56.12 | finkelflix | maybe i havent the right nvida driver? |
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| 17:02.20 | Walex | finkelflix: unlikely to be correlated with your issues |
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| 17:05.52 | Walex | finkelflix: if you want we can have anoher look.... |
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| 17:07.28 | bullgard4 | [Wheezy] What is the filename of the VNC server of the »Remote Desktop Viewer« program? |
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| 17:11.46 | finkelflix | now i cant even start x |
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| 17:11.55 | finkelflix | only the display manager |
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| 17:18.15 | mumpitzel | bullgard4: there are around 4 or so different vnc servers in wheezy. and a remote viewer is not a server... |
| 17:18.28 | mumpitzel | bullgard4: if you ask for the gnome stuff, that one's called "vino" |
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| 17:20.22 | bullgard4 | mumpitzel: Yes, you are right: I am speaking about the VNC server which is the pendant to the VNC client in the »Remote Desktop Viewer«. |
| 17:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | he means that windowsy thingy, I think |
| 17:21.17 | bullgard4 | I am talking about the sever that is preferred in Xfce. |
| 17:21.34 | mumpitzel | CutMeOwnThroat: windowsy is not vnc, that's rdp |
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| 17:22.52 | bullgard4 | mumpitzel: So what VNC server is preferred in Xfce? |
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| 17:23.44 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello good sirs, I was wondering if anyone here is using Debian 7 and was able to get Kontact/Korganizer synced with Google Calendar. Thank you :) |
| 17:23.51 | Asad3ainJalout | or misses |
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| 17:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly... rdesktop client and xrdp server... I mean... at least it contains "remote desktop" in it... wich is 2/3 of "remote desktop viewer", which I never heard of as a fixed term |
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| 17:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there's http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/11929/Remote-Desktop-Viewer-Lite ... oh well, whatever |
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| 17:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, we're not sure we understand you.... so... you may assume we do not understand you and feel free to rephrase such that we do without ambiguity |
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| 17:28.02 | Asad3ainJalout | I asked yesterday and noone replied either, Im pretty sure at least one of you uses google calander and synced it with Korganizer |
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| 17:30.08 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat: Please execute the command '~$ vinagre -f '. What will you see on your Wheezy desktop? |
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| 17:31.16 | tremon | Asad3ainJalout: have you tried asking in a kde-specific channel? perhaps #kontact? |
| 17:31.16 | lulzfish4 | I'm having a strange problem with my audio levels. I have "Master", "LFE", and then "PCM". Right now PCM is at 100, LFE is around 2, and Master is around 18, and things sound okay. If I use my Mute key, KDE will mute Master, but I will still hear audio from LFE. If I press Volume Down, Master will go to 0 and actually be muted. If I plug in headphones, LFE seems to be ignored and volume works properly. |
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| 17:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, aha |
| 17:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, then I guess you meant "vino" |
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| 17:33.13 | Asad3ainJalout | tremon: well they all have a calander tab under general settings but most of them use arch or opensuse or ubuntu |
| 17:33.25 | grobda24 | I need to install an RT kernel from wheezy/stable. I have jessie installed. Is this the correct/safest way - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_packages_from_mixed_source_of_archives ? |
| 17:33.56 | Asad3ainJalout | tremon: I dont and i instaled kde pre installed with debian, so im assuming debian |
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| 17:35.59 | darsie | is it safe to hot unplug an unused, spun down SATA disk. |
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| 17:37.12 | darsie | It was used for swap, but I did swapoff on the partitions. |
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| 17:37.49 | darsie | I want to use the disk in a different computer. |
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| 17:38.40 | darsie | someone say yes. |
| 17:38.55 | tremon | darsie: not unless the controller supports it. You risk freezing the disk controller |
| 17:38.59 | darsie | thx |
| 17:39.26 | darsie | I'll shutdown then. |
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| 18:06.55 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat: The corresponding remote server is /usr/lib/vino/vino-server. It is running. |
| 18:08.02 | grieg | Hello. I've a poblem. Since i installed wireless drivers, wired connection cannot connect to internet, though it can connect to router. Might you know the solution? |
| 18:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said it's vino, didn't I |
| 18:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | grieg, are you trying to use both at the same time? |
| 18:08.56 | grieg | nope. when i turn wifi off. wired stilll doesn't work |
| 18:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | even when you unplug and replug the wired cable after turning wifi off? |
| 18:09.50 | grieg | didn't try. brb |
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| 18:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... sounds like you had wired, then switched wireless on and off |
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| 18:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I suspect that routing may still be in some way configured for wireless |
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| 18:12.59 | grieg | replugged cable. no luck |
| 18:14.37 | rozie | grieg: do you use network manager, wicd or similar software? |
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| 18:16.23 | grieg | i use network manager. internet worked w/o any rules in nm. after installing wifi and wired stopped working i made a rule in nm for wired, no luck |
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| 18:19.36 | rozie | I'd remove nm and install wicd |
| 18:19.51 | rozie | but it's because I don't use nm |
| 18:20.18 | darsie | is fdisk ok to partition a disk for installing debian? |
| 18:20.27 | rozie | it's probably some option in nm |
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| 18:26.38 | Walex | darsie: yes. |
| 18:26.45 | darsie | thx |
| 18:27.04 | tremon | darsie: why not just use the partitioning tool in the installer? (says he who hates that tool and always uses rescue mode to pre-partition his disks) |
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| 18:28.50 | darsie | tremon: I'm not sure. I just remember I often wanted to use custom filesystem parameters (such as bytes/inode ratio). |
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| 18:40.42 | gnuvince- | Is it possible to see which installed packages have a more recent version in backports? |
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| 18:41.15 | mtn | gnuvince-: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 18:41.59 | flips | ChibaPet: I just made my own solution, made an account with a tmpfs homedir, then hardcoded extraction of default homedir contents in /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinit (could probably find a better file to mod, but it seems to work nicely) :) |
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| 18:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | grieg... ops, seems I was away too long and he's gorn |
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| 18:51.40 | phy1729 | when needing a quick calculation, how do you do that? On OSX I typically use quicksilver. |
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| 18:52.34 | petemc | i use google.. |
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| 19:07.19 | Walex | gnuvince-: yes |
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| 19:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | phy1729, preferrably calc, if not available bc... yeah, duckduckgo or google if there's unit-transformations to do with it |
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| 19:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | calc is pretty basic and simple |
| 19:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | bc is maybe a bit weird to use but can do arbitrary precision |
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| 19:13.59 | phy1729 | CutMeOwnThroat: why calc over bc? |
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| 19:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | phy1729, easier to use... with bc, you first have to tell it how many decimals to display and the default is 0 |
| 19:15.13 | phy1729 | ah |
| 19:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can then choose a number as high as you like... but it's a nuisance to do for calculating 1/3 or whatever |
| 19:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | phy1729, try "apropos calculator" |
| 19:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a graphical one... xcalc but I like the shell better |
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| 19:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also dc |
| 19:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and gnome-calculator, also graphical |
| 19:17.04 | phy1729 | yeah I think I might make a dmenu prompt for calc |
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| 19:17.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmenu? |
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| 19:17.58 | phy1729 | what package is calc in? |
| 19:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | apcalc |
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| 19:18.44 | mumpitzel | phy1729: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages "search the contents of packages" and put "bin/calc" in there |
| 19:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | The original name of this package is `calc', but it had to be changed to |
| 19:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.01 | phy1729 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a launcher |
| 19:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 19:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought that was already in one line |
| 19:19.47 | phy1729 | mumpitzel: neat |
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| 19:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... I guess I pasted the gist of it as kick is after 3 lines |
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| 19:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell phy1729 about apt-file |
| 19:21.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | phy1729, also... "calc" alone isn't well-defined enough, but bin/calc and you find it easily |
| 19:21.57 | phy1729 | cool didn't know about apt-file |
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| 19:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's specially useful for compiling... and "xxx.h missing" or "xyz.so missing" type errors |
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| 19:24.15 | Jonuz | Hi, I just installed wheezy to my laptop, I logged out to get super pwer |
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| 19:24.51 | Jonuz | and this happened: http://b-elit.net/jonuz/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-10%2020:10:07.png |
| 19:25.17 | Jonuz | I'm not sure can it be seen from there |
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| 19:25.58 | Jonuz | But my screen are like slitted from centrer |
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| 19:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | super cow powers? |
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| 19:30.11 | dmaaaann | hey guys im playing around with kvm and virt-manager / viewer as gui ... i installed a vm debian and it runs pretty smooth but i cant set the fullscreen window size anything else then 1024x768 |
| 19:30.19 | dmaaaann | what to do ? |
| 19:30.58 | flips | change resolution in the guest os? |
| 19:31.32 | dmaaaann | just 1024x768 and 800x600 |
| 19:32.33 | dmaaaann | im using fvwm on my debian host |
| 19:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, only used virtualbox... and as soon as I installed the helper-tools in the guest, screen resolution was just whatever I resized the window to |
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| 19:33.57 | dmaaaann | hmmm |
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| 19:34.27 | bikeshedder | For some reason haproxy starts before rsyslog and causes errors while booting as haproxy is unable to log. I tried changin S01haproxy to S99haproxy and adding $rsyslog to the "# Required-Start" line without success. I guess the required-start line is wrong but I can't find any information how this is supposed to work. |
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| 19:35.41 | flips | dmaaaann: depends on what kind of display adapter kvm/qemu presents to the hosts, and maybe if there's some optimized host driver for the guest os (like virtio addons) |
| 19:35.43 | bikeshedder | I also tried "Required-Start: $syslog" which seams to be the correct line |
| 19:37.27 | bikeshedder | ah, calling "insserv haproxy" did the trick |
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| 20:18.09 | funkster | how can i look at command on a pts thats logged in via ssh? |
| 20:18.17 | funkster | can tail a file or something? |
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| 20:20.56 | N34lO | hi, can someone tell my why under debian-sid awesome doesn't show up in gdm3s xsession-selection? |
| 20:21.29 | N34lO | the config file is there and lxde, gnome work only awesome is missing |
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| 20:31.26 | syko | is ssh tunnelling + socks4/sock5 secure? |
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| 20:40.26 | sevenfourk | hello guys. I noticed that I got some minor errors during my debian start up, it seems like some services fails to start or so (possibly the ones I'm not using for some time already). could you point where I can look up for log corresponding that messages? Thanks. |
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| 20:44.19 | richardi | hi |
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| 20:49.14 | marianusz | welcome, could anyone check why my script doesn't work? http://pastebin.com/JhuJ9A2P |
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| 20:50.21 | armin | marianusz: i assume you get a Authentication token manipulation error? |
| 20:50.28 | jmcnaught | sevenfourk: you could check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/dmesg for starters |
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| 20:51.29 | marianusz | armin: yes, there is a problem with EOF |
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| 20:57.15 | sevenfourk | jmcnaught: ok. i thought maybe it logs into one separable file. |
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| 20:57.31 | ChibaPet | bullgard4: As a viewer, I use vncviewer. As a server, I use x11vnc. There isn't anything dictated, and preferences change. |
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| 20:57.44 | ChibaPet | Oh, I was way back in scrollback. Never mind. |
| 20:58.35 | ChibaPet | flips: Yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable. |
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| 20:59.16 | ChibaPet | flips: Just make sure you don't exhaust available space over time. Will read scrollback again but I didn't note a delete step. |
| 20:59.28 | bullgard4 | ChibaPet: Thank you for your information. I will try that, but not yet tonight. Rather tomorrow. |
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| 21:00.05 | flips | ChibaPet: tmpfs, is deleted upon boot, I assumed ... :) not sure xinitrc is the best choice to add my hook, but it works :) |
| 21:00.12 | ChibaPet | bullgard4: There's also a viewer called "Remmina" or somesuch that I used to use. It was reasonable. |
| 21:00.35 | bullgard4 | ok |
| 21:00.47 | ChibaPet | flips: Ah, if you're booting with any regularity that'd work. Dedicated guest machine, usually off, that'd be fine. |
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| 21:03.21 | ChibaPet | I'd personally try the lightdm hook, but flexibility is one of the nice things about these systems. |
| 21:03.33 | Will_Tampa | HIya Dick!!!! |
| 21:03.36 | flips | ChibaPet: with tmpfs you define size of the mountpoint, so I limited it :) |
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| 21:06.32 | ctmjr | kiilll |
| 21:06.42 | ctmjr | sorry |
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| 21:13.39 | sevenfourk | jmcnaught: I found this: https://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd. |
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| 21:16.20 | sevenfourk | funkster: you mean w/who ? |
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| 21:28.55 | erore | How to uninstall libreoffice which installed with xfce? |
| 21:29.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | in principle... apt-get remove libreoffice* |
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| 21:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | in practice, as it installed with xfce, you'll have to take care if a/which metapackage gets removed and make sure you're not removing everything |
| 21:30.31 | sevenfourk | you look up for ~ilibreoffice packages and remove what you need |
| 21:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, install xfce |
| 21:30.43 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 21:30.54 | babilen | judd: task-xfce-desktop libreoffice |
| 21:30.59 | babilen | judd: why task-xfce-desktop libreoffice |
| 21:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, doesn't have so many different meta packages |
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| 21:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or they're not in the factoid |
| 21:31.30 | judd | Packages task-xfce-desktop and libreoffice in wheezy/i386 are linked by 3 chains: task-xfce-desktop ▷ libreoffice; task-xfce-desktop ▶ task-desktop ▷ task-gnome-desktop ▷ libreoffice; task-xfce-desktop ▶ task-desktop ▷ task-gnome-desktop ▷ gnome ▶ gnome-documents ▷ unoconv ▷ libreoffice |
| 21:31.33 | erore | and is there a way to make a clean install of xfce without the ton of apps I do not need - games , etc.? |
| 21:31.47 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: It's what the installer installs when you select "XFCE" and install the "Desktop" task |
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| 21:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but each task is not automatically also a single meta-package, but a separate collection of packages |
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| 21:35.26 | sevenfourk | erore: just install what you need, look for xfce* available packages. |
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| 21:38.26 | darsie | hi |
| 21:40.18 | darsie | My new wheezy only gave me poor screen resolutions, so I installed the nvidia the nvidia way, but I can't get it working. It disabled the 'nouveau' kernel with a config file. Should I try a different kernel? Which? |
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| 21:41.30 | babilen | darsie: Ask #nvidia -- The way *we* support is documented on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:41.44 | darsie | babilen: thx |
| 21:42.11 | babilen | (I would also recommend to follow "The Debian Way"™) |
| 21:43.02 | darsie | babilen: Of course :). I tried that a long time ago, unsuccessfully, and the nvidia way worked. |
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| 21:44.57 | Jonuz | Anyone knows does cinnamon work well in wheezy? |
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| 21:47.16 | babilen | darsie: You are free to do whatever you want, I just wanted to point you to additional documentation. |
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| 21:50.21 | ctmjr | Jonuz: cinnamon is not in wheezy it's in testing and unstable |
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| 22:01.05 | fart_eater | im having trouble preseeding my wireless network, does anyone know the exact preseed parameters to do this? |
| 22:01.27 | fart_eater | it's nowhere in the preseed docs, and the post install preseed logs give no clue as to what works or doesn't work |
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| 22:04.04 | Jonuz | How can I get taskbar to gnome3? |
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| 22:16.43 | Jonuz | I assume that xfce4 is pretty stable in debian even if I install it after system install..? |
| 22:17.50 | ctmjr | Jonuz: yes |
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| 22:18.16 | Jonuz | good |
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| 22:18.40 | wolfmitchell | Is it possible to let a specific non-root user bind to ports <1024? |
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| 22:20.43 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I find out which package contains a binary I need? |
| 22:20.53 | babilen | wolfmitchell: No, but you could configure sudo is such a way that the user can only run a specific set of commands (see "/msg dpkg sudoers" for details) |
| 22:20.56 | hid3 | e.g. `killall` is provided by 'psmisc' package |
| 22:21.13 | hid3 | if I need `killall`, how do I know which package provides it? |
| 22:21.22 | hid3 | I guess there is an apt command |
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| 22:24.34 | hid3 | Any clues? |
| 22:25.15 | Wulf | $ zgrep bin/killall Contents-amd64.gz |
| 22:25.15 | Wulf | sbin/killall5 admin/sysvinit-utils |
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| 22:25.15 | Wulf | usr/bin/killall admin/psmisc |
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| 22:26.05 | hid3 | oh, the dirty way. Thanks :) |
| 22:26.08 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell hid3 about apt-file |
| 22:26.24 | hid3 | jelly-home: I think apt-file is for installed packages only |
| 22:26.32 | jelly-home | hid3: au contraire |
| 22:26.43 | Wulf | hid3: for installed you can use dpkg -S |
| 22:27.06 | hid3 | Oh, okay, thanks! |
| 22:27.22 | hid3 | It's night time here, sorry to be a little dizzy :) |
| 22:27.29 | jelly-home | should use pgrep and pkill instead of pidof and killall, anyway |
| 22:28.01 | hid3 | this is just an example, I don't need `killall` at all :) |
| 22:28.11 | Wulf | how can one not need that util? |
| 22:28.49 | jelly-home | hid3: see also /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:34.28 | james41382 | On this dual boot computer (Win 8 Pro / Wheezy) I am trying to get Rhythmbox to play nice with Itunes (ie use the same library), but when I set the location of the library within the preferences for Rhythmbox it is not able to load all of the music it seems to get stuck about a quarter of the way through. Any ideas? |
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| 22:46.23 | darsie | babilen: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers didn't work. |
| 22:46.39 | CheckDavid | hello, i wanted to try XAMPP on my debian |
| 22:46.50 | CheckDavid | but apparently it may somewhat complicated? |
| 22:46.52 | jelly-home | !xampp |
| 22:46.53 | dpkg | XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>. |
| 22:46.56 | CheckDavid | thanks |
| 22:47.26 | CheckDavid | oh, nice jelly-home |
| 22:48.05 | CheckDavid | Does "aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62" refer to a command? |
| 22:49.24 | jelly-home | that is indeed a (rather silly) command |
| 22:49.42 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: the idea is to install the components you actually need |
| 22:50.22 | CheckDavid | how is it silly, and how does it differ from apt-get, if they have any similarity at all |
| 22:50.27 | darsie | How can I get Xorg back to it's mediocre working condition, after installing the nvidia driver failed? |
| 22:51.09 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: apt-get and aptitude are roughly equivalent |
| 22:51.29 | CheckDavid | jelly-home, perhaps I should try the command? |
| 22:51.31 | darsie | I guess reinstalling debian would work. |
| 22:51.34 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: but that's less important; again, read /msg dpkg lamp, and /msg dpkg install apache2, etc |
| 22:52.42 | CheckDavid | Not sure what to look for on those messages |
| 22:53.21 | jelly-home | did you get the responses from dpkg? |
| 22:53.26 | CheckDavid | yes |
| 22:54.25 | jelly-home | each <...> refers to a different factoid, you can ask the bot for more details by doing /msg dpkg ... |
| 22:55.45 | CheckDavid | But don't I just want to do "aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62" to have an equivalent setup, as that which one would expect from XAMPP? |
| 22:56.29 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: you probably don't want or need mod_perl or an ftp daemon |
| 22:56.49 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: there's way to much stuff listed for installation in that command |
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| 22:57.26 | CheckDavid | Oh, but would it be detrimental? |
| 22:57.29 | CheckDavid | I have hard drive space |
| 22:57.31 | CheckDavid | LOL |
| 22:58.01 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: yes, extraneous enabled apache modules can cause unintended effects |
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| 22:58.44 | jelly-home | having a ftp service when you do not need it can be an entry point for intruders |
| 22:59.13 | CheckDavid | jelly-home, but if it in a way emulates what XAMPP does, and the course I am following suggests xampp, that would be consistent, no? |
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| 23:00.11 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: I don't know what exactly xampp brings. |
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| 23:00.55 | CheckDavid | Well, I am just a beginner, so I doubt I will find many bugs at the beginning |
| 23:00.56 | CheckDavid | hehe |
| 23:01.32 | jelly-home | if this installation is for learning, go ahead and learn I guess! |
| 23:02.16 | CheckDavid | Let's hope so. |
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| 23:02.57 | jelly-home | I'd still install apache separately, then php, then mysql if you need it, and other components if need be |
| 23:03.19 | CheckDavid | I see. |
| 23:03.37 | CheckDavid | and after isntalling do I need to laucnh it through the terminal? |
| 23:03.41 | epsilon | CheckDavid: 1st linux install = keep beaking it and learn from it. Then reinstall and learn again. |
| 23:03.45 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: and "install apache2" tells you to install "apache2-mpm-prefork", which is more appropriate than "apache2" |
| 23:04.11 | epsilon | *breaking |
| 23:04.43 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: some services get started automatically. Some need initial configuration. Apache will _usually_ start automatically. |
| 23:05.17 | CheckDavid | then how do I access it? if I do http://localhost |
| 23:05.26 | CheckDavid | i should see it running from startup? |
| 23:05.36 | darsie | How can I get Xorg back to it's mediocre working condition, after installing the nvidia driver failed? |
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| 23:06.23 | epsilon | CheckDavid: once apache is installed, you should be able to reach a site 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:06.38 | epsilon | (or http locahost, hostname) |
| 23:06.59 | CheckDavid | I see |
| 23:07.00 | CheckDavid | it works |
| 23:07.08 | epsilon | which is just pointing on /var/www |
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| 23:07.42 | epsilon | default of apache will answer something like "IT WORKS!" in browser |
| 23:08.56 | epsilon | taht's /var/www/index.html. Keep discovering from there :) |
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| 23:10.02 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: read "zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz" for some basic info about debian's setup of apache configuration and related tools |
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| 23:11.53 | CheckDavid | what is zless? |
| 23:11.56 | epsilon | and read the files in /etc/apache2 |
| 23:12.50 | epsilon | less = shows files in console |
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| 23:12.52 | epsilon | zless = (gunzig less) = shows gzip compressed files in console |
| 23:12.54 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: a wrapper that uncompresses .gz compressed files and shows them in less, a text file viewer |
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| 23:13.12 | Kill_Dank | yo yo |
| 23:13.17 | Kill_Dank | question |
| 23:13.42 | Kill_Dank | I'm working on a Debian install... I want my computer to only boot if I have a USB drive plugged in |
| 23:14.00 | TechLover | Hello, I have made update of apache, im using debian testing, I'm having problem to get directory listing, it return 404 |
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| 23:14.06 | epsilon | thats... soimething you tell in BIOS as boot order I guess? |
| 23:14.16 | Kill_Dank | what do you mean boot order? |
| 23:14.33 | Kill_Dank | I understand boot order, I just don't understand what it has to do with this |
| 23:14.35 | mtn | yikes |
| 23:14.36 | epsilon | BIOS of your mainbord, from which drive to boot from |
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| 23:15.08 | Kill_Dank | There is nothing set up yet. I am in the process of partitioning my disks |
| 23:15.18 | epsilon | or do you mean USB dongle with some kind of passcode? |
| 23:15.52 | Kill_Dank | Basically, if someone tries to start my computer without the USB in, nothing happens. |
| 23:16.11 | Kill_Dank | I would need to put the boot partition on the USB, correct? |
| 23:16.11 | epsilon | depends how paranoid you are |
| 23:16.19 | Kill_Dank | maximum paranoid |
| 23:16.22 | epsilon | option a) mainborad will boot only from USB |
| 23:17.07 | epsilon | option b) mainborad will boot from local SATA/SAS drive, but will need SATA-USB-Dongle with key to beet (using for example dm_crypt) |
| 23:17.34 | epsilon | s/SATA-USB/USB/ |
| 23:19.18 | TechLover | :( please, what I'm missing, it was working before the update, I have active all modules needed for phpmyadmin, there is some special for directory listing ? |
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| 23:20.41 | epsilon | TechLover: is http://<hostname> returning a website? |
| 23:21.03 | epsilon | (replace <hostname< with your hostname or IP of course) |
| 23:21.52 | TechLover | actualy is a "localhost" and I creat a "work" in /etc/hosts and then in virtualhost I define <VirtualHost work:80> |
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| 23:23.30 | epsilon | I'm not sure about your config, VirtualHost work:80 wounds liek an invalid hostname |
| 23:23.42 | epsilon | default should be something *:80 |
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| 23:24.26 | TechLover | in /etc/hosts work is ponting to 127.0.1.1 is this the problem ? |
| 23:24.26 | TechLover | *pointing |
| 23:25.06 | sashman | how do i get fonts`? |
| 23:25.14 | epsilon | umm |
| 23:25.38 | TechLover | I will try, |
| 23:25.49 | epsilon | TechLover: etc/hosts pointing on (local)host is always some kind of pain in the ass |
| 23:25.55 | TechLover | Sorry dont understand your question fonts |
| 23:27.12 | epsilon | if you have <VirtualHost *:80>, this will point automatically to your host, without any IP |
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| 23:27.47 | TechLover | what the hell local host is showing this works, and I dont have virtual host pointing to "This Works" page |
| 23:28.29 | epsilon | cause apache2 daemon process will listen on it (netstat -aptn | grep apache2) |
| 23:28.57 | TechLover | ok, I get it back to "Not Found" |
| 23:29.34 | TechLover | now is the issue of getting back to directory listing :( |
| 23:30.31 | epsilon | ok... on which URL do you get 404? |
| 23:31.29 | epsilon | (and as long ouy get 404 error, apache2 is working) |
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| 23:33.03 | TechLover | http://localhost |
| 23:33.03 | TechLover | I will pastbin my virtualhost config |
| 23:33.42 | TechLover | http://pastebin.com/2Km9zKYk |
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| 23:35.22 | epsilon | wll you editied the file to point on DocumentRoot <Directory /home/hell/work>... |
| 23:35.35 | epsilon | I dunno what in that directory |
| 23:35.40 | epsilon | what's |
| 23:35.49 | TechLover | other directorys |
| 23:35.59 | TechLover | it was working before update |
| 23:36.04 | TechLover | permissions are ok |
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| 23:36.22 | epsilon | yet, I dunno what's in that dir |
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| 23:37.00 | epsilon | if you change that default setting (/var/www), it's up to you |
| 23:37.06 | TechLover | its my work is like hell |
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| 23:37.33 | epsilon | :/ |
| 23:38.12 | TechLover | its just me having this problem ? :( |
| 23:38.13 | epsilon | well, in default web browser will access as www-data:www-data on that dir |
| 23:38.40 | TechLover | yes I have been www-data and I can even create files, |
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| 23:38.46 | TechLover | but I will try again |
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| 23:39.31 | dankk | hey howdy hey |
| 23:39.37 | dankk | my stupid internet disconnected |
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| 23:40.04 | TechLover | Also I will disable the directory stuff in apache2.conf |
| 23:40.42 | epsilon | TechLover: I guess it's some kind of permission error. But I'm too tired right now to debug via IRC step by step... |
| 23:40.56 | dankk | how can I set up debian to only boot if a USB drive is plugged in? |
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| 23:41.02 | TechLover | thanks so much epsilon |
| 23:41.36 | epsilon | sorry mate, have to deal with this kind of stuff whole day :-/ |
| 23:41.51 | TechLover | just one thing, if was a problem of permission will give a forbidden, this case is not found |
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| 23:42.42 | TechLover | at the moment Im as www-data I give a ls and it lists my directory |
| 23:43.13 | TechLover | Sorry, I will make a pause |
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| 23:49.31 | verysoftoiletppr | https://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup |
| 23:49.39 | verysoftoiletppr | is this guide up to date? |
| 23:49.58 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm trying to follow it on Wheezy but I don't have /etc/default/portmap |
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| 23:50.56 | verysoftoiletppr | Note, selecting 'rpcbind' instead of 'portmap' |
| 23:50.57 | verysoftoiletppr | rpcbind is already the newest version. |
| 23:50.59 | verysoftoiletppr | rpcbind set to manually installed. |
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| 23:53.18 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i don't recall ever having to do that, or ever seeing a portmap install that only listens on localhost by default. god only knows how old this is. also i'm pretty sure wheezy will use nfs4 by default |
| 23:54.02 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: oh i guess there's a datestamp on there from 2009 ... |
| 23:54.20 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: i'd just add the exports line, run /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart, and try it |
| 23:54.54 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: also you *may* want root_squash on |
| 23:55.00 | verysoftoiletppr | gnarface I tried that but it doesn't show up in the netwrok |
| 23:55.18 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: hmmmm. is there an /etc/default/rpcbind or something? |
| 23:55.24 | verysoftoiletppr | no |
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| 23:56.43 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: did you use the right ip addresses in your exports? |
| 23:56.55 | verysoftoiletppr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.15 | gnarface | that ip address mask has to match that of the connecting host |
| 23:57.42 | gnarface | don't just copy the stuff on the page verbatim if you're not using 192.168.1/24 for your LAN |
| 23:58.01 | gnarface | i think it can be a single ip too |
| 23:58.02 | verysoftoiletppr | that is exactly what I am using |
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| 23:58.26 | jeep | Use exact ip if you can |
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| 23:58.56 | Noturno99 | hey guys, I have a problem here, I've been around for a while and I cannot fix it. I would like to access my apache server using my local network but I cant. I'm using debian wheezy right now |
| 23:59.26 | verysoftoiletppr | jeep sure, but for now I'm trying to debug this |
| 23:59.35 | Noturno99 | does someone have any idea about this? |
| 23:59.41 | verysoftoiletppr | this is the line on my other server in the same network /mnt/media/Media 192.168.1.0/24(rw,nohide,insecure,no_subtree_check,async)⏎ |
| 23:59.56 | gnarface | verysoftoiletppr: and that one works you're saying? |
