| 00:00.09 | Th0masR0ss | !tell jarray52 about repeat |
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| 00:04.19 | exorcisr | Hi guys |
| 00:04.29 | dvs | runs |
| 00:05.21 | exorcisr | Can anyone help me install debian image i get an error permission denied and i cannt switch to root |
| 00:06.07 | exorcisr | I try to start linux from linux installer app on my tablet |
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| 00:25.43 | zykotick9 | exorcist: i'm sure you would do better asking in some android channel, rather then here... good luck. |
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| 00:47.45 | martianlobster | I don't understand what iface eth0 inet manual does. I currently have /etc/networkinterfaces as "auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet dhcp" If I follow the directions for setting up a bridge network, I should change the "auto eth0" to "iface eth0 inet manual". Will this still let me get an IP address automatically? |
| 00:48.41 | zykotick9 | martianlobster: "auto eth0" means bring that interface up automatically (ie. on boot), it's the iface eth0 like you need to edit, NOT the auto one. |
| 00:48.53 | zykotick9 | s/like/line/ |
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| 00:49.54 | martianlobster | zykotick9: https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network Remove the 'auto' line and change the 'method' of your physical, wired network adapters from to 'manual': |
| 00:50.16 | martianlobster | 5 need to come up automatically, should I just ignore that step? |
| 00:50.35 | martianlobster | lol, in fact right now it is a headless server. If it doesn't come up automatically, I can't access the server |
| 00:51.56 | zykotick9 | martianlobster: be sure your br0 is working... you're actually removing eth0 in this particular case. |
| 00:52.28 | martianlobster | lol I hope that monitor from ebay arrives soon |
| 00:52.36 | martianlobster | I guess I better wait until I get the monitor |
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| 01:01.12 | Pei | Is there a 'catch all' package for build essentials? |
| 01:01.33 | Pei | such as gcc/automake/glibc/etc/ |
| 01:01.48 | themill | !b-e Pei |
| 01:01.49 | dpkg | Pei: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:01.56 | Pei | ahh |
| 01:01.57 | Pei | thanks |
| 01:02.02 | themill | (that doesn't include auto* stuff though) |
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| 01:08.39 | psnider85 | Not sure if this is the place to ask, but what are the current opinions on using cmake over make?? |
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| 01:13.20 | themill | psnider85: people have a love-hate relationship with cmake. "What's wrong with make; get off my lawn" is a common response. ##workingset might be better place to get opinions |
| 01:13.29 | psnider85 | Thanks :) |
| 01:13.53 | mischief | i like mk or scons |
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| 01:14.22 | psnider85 | Yeah, I've looked into scons. Seems quite interesting. |
| 01:14.40 | themill | (I'd pick cmake over scons) |
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| 01:14.55 | mischief | Program('yay', 'src/*.c') |
| 01:15.03 | mischief | it can't get much easier |
| 01:16.03 | themill | It's not a question of how to do things when things are going well, it's a question of how to fix things with automagical isn't quite right. |
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| 01:48.42 | Roenie | md/raid1:md0: Disk failure on sdc1, disabling device. |
| 01:49.18 | dvs | doesnt have a sdc on this machine |
| 01:49.24 | Roenie | nooooo sdc2 is a raid 0 that's not backed up for like two fricken days |
| 01:49.58 | Roenie | and it's my game iso archive :( |
| 01:50.21 | Roenie | sdc1 is part of a raid 1, no big deal there, but if that HDD is bad then so is my raid0 |
| 01:50.34 | Roenie | sdc that is |
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| 01:51.39 | Roenie | i don't know what it is, but i think satan is having a laugh with me the last few days |
| 01:53.21 | Roenie | ok i can deal with losing my job while just having signed a contract for a better rental home i'm moving to (gl to me paying the rent) |
| 01:53.41 | Roenie | but keep your hands off my games |
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| 01:55.02 | Roenie | ata3: hard resetting link |
| 01:55.03 | Roenie | [30284.828024] ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps |
| 01:55.18 | Roenie | ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33 |
| 01:55.39 | Roenie | ata3.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x280100 action 0x6 frozen |
| 01:55.48 | Roenie | ata3.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error |
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| 01:56.08 | Roenie | blah blah |
| 01:56.13 | Roenie | ata3: hard resetting link |
| 01:56.15 | Roenie | repeat |
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| 02:00.08 | SirLagz | Roenie: so you ahve RAID0 and RAID1 on the same hard drive ??? |
| 02:00.18 | Roenie | yep |
| 02:00.30 | SirLagz | why ? |
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| 02:00.36 | SirLagz | and why RAID0 an ISO archive ? |
| 02:00.41 | dvs | doesnt understand either |
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| 02:03.43 | Roenie | first partition of sdc1 and sdb1 are mirrored, used for storage of personal docs and work i simply can't afford to lose - why not seperate drives? simple - drives don't grow on trees and it's not much data |
| 02:04.16 | Roenie | the raid 0 is because i have many 750GB drives nothing bigger and I needed one big volume |
| 02:04.22 | Roenie | plus the speed over gbit lan |
| 02:04.28 | Roenie | and i had a backup |
| 02:04.30 | prompt32 | >/update save |
| 02:04.58 | epsilon | next time use separated disk instead of raid0 |
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| 02:05.55 | Roenie | but due to space constraints and no money, i recently dismantled my backup array on my other machine, and was planning to get an external solution for the backup |
| 02:06.03 | SirLagz | Roenie: I'd have used JBOD rather than RAID0 for storage. |
| 02:06.08 | Roenie | and of course now the raid 0 fails |
| 02:06.16 | SirLagz | for this exact reason. |
| 02:06.25 | Roenie | urgh |
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| 02:06.37 | Roenie | my game iso archive dates back to C&C 95 |
| 02:07.12 | Roenie | so i'm going to reboot and hope it's a bug just like the kernel panic i had recently |
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| 02:07.24 | SirLagz | Fingers crossed |
| 02:07.26 | Roenie | wishful thinking probably |
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| 02:07.49 | Roenie | will mdraid keep the drive disabled even after a reboot tho? |
| 02:07.50 | prompt32 | >/LAYOUT save |
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| 02:09.10 | pederindi | life without bash-completion package is horrible |
| 02:09.55 | dvs | what did we do before bash-completion? |
| 02:10.00 | Roenie | SirLagz, JBOD is not funny when youre dealing with 8GB files |
| 02:10.26 | Roenie | unless it's SSD i suppose |
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| 02:10.34 | SirLagz | Roenie: It's not funny when RAID0 keels over either, at least with JBOD you keep the files that weren't on the dead disk |
| 02:10.50 | Roenie | i know, but i should've backed it up... had a backup for years and years |
| 02:10.51 | SirLagz | and I don't really see what issues JBOD would have with 8GB files |
| 02:11.03 | Roenie | but ran out of space for it, and money too so I couldn't get more space :/ |
| 02:11.31 | Roenie | used the backup drives for space, for a short while and bam punished |
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| 02:11.59 | SirLagz | Reminds me, I need to setup a backup server again |
| 02:12.14 | SirLagz | keep forgetting =/ |
| 02:13.07 | Roenie | assuming that after the reboot i can't get the raid up |
| 02:13.28 | Roenie | ....right now i can still browse the dir tree, just can't open files |
| 02:13.40 | SirLagz | dump all the filenames to good disk now too while you can |
| 02:13.52 | Roenie | might be a good idea to dump a file and dirname listing into a text file on another drive? |
| 02:13.54 | SirLagz | at least that way you'll know what you've lost |
| 02:13.56 | SirLagz | yep |
| 02:13.59 | Roenie | yeah, but how |
| 02:14.02 | SirLagz | i regret not doing that. lol |
| 02:14.39 | SirLagz | ls -lR /directory >> /home/roenie/list.txt |
| 02:14.58 | SirLagz | or just ls -R |
| 02:15.00 | SirLagz | either one |
| 02:15.14 | Roenie | ah of course :P |
| 02:15.39 | Roenie | i was thinking about tree |
| 02:15.44 | Roenie | but couldn't remember the name |
| 02:15.52 | Roenie | http://linux.die.net/man/1/tree |
| 02:16.04 | SirLagz | bah. too fancy for my tastes :P |
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| 02:16.37 | Roenie | if i'm going to be screwed i might as well get screwed in style |
| 02:16.40 | SirLagz | I don't have it installed anyway lol |
| 02:19.07 | Roenie | ot |
| 02:19.11 | Roenie | -ot |
| 02:19.16 | Roenie | it's great |
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| 02:19.32 | Roenie | gives you a tree with indents |
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| 02:19.58 | SirLagz | nice |
| 02:20.02 | cam | Where would I find out how to set up raid0 post-install? |
| 02:20.25 | cam | or is that not possible |
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| 02:20.43 | SirLagz | cam: hardware or software raid ? and raid0 on the OS drive(s) ? |
| 02:20.57 | cam | SirLagz, software |
| 02:21.02 | SirLagz | cam: anything is possible...with enough effort |
| 02:21.12 | cam | SirLagz, well I am just looking for a howto or something of the sort. |
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| 02:21.34 | SirLagz | cam: google linux raid0 md |
| 02:21.57 | Roenie | ok reboot time :S |
| 02:21.57 | cam | SirLagz, mdadm? |
| 02:22.00 | SirLagz | yep |
| 02:22.04 | cam | SirLagz, thanks :> |
| 02:22.10 | SirLagz | Roenie: fingers crossed |
| 02:22.12 | SirLagz | cam: np |
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| 02:44.43 | Roenie | hmm after a reboot the bios failed to see the drive |
| 02:44.56 | Roenie | i powered off the machine, powered it back on and got the drive back |
| 02:45.10 | SirLagz | Roenie: RAID array ok ? |
| 02:45.15 | Roenie | the raid0 array came back up once i booted debian |
| 02:45.31 | Roenie | a check was forced |
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| 02:45.58 | Roenie | which created a dir called lost+found on the root of the arrays mountpoint, so i went there |
| 02:46.05 | Rug | Is debian planning on switching over to systemD? |
| 02:46.06 | dvs | Roenie: Get the S**T off the drive now. |
| 02:46.10 | Roenie | dmesg immediately came up with ata3 hard reset |
| 02:46.29 | SirLagz | agreed with dvs. |
| 02:46.31 | Roenie | but: |
| 02:46.42 | Roenie | [ 181.365396] ata3: hard resetting link |
| 02:46.42 | Roenie | [ 181.856020] ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) |
| 02:46.59 | SirLagz | so it's still not working properly |
| 02:47.09 | SirLagz | get as much stuff off it now. |
| 02:47.28 | Roenie | indeed but i can read a bluray movie from it and seek through |
| 02:47.32 | Roenie | going to boot my other rig now to backup over the lan |
| 02:47.48 | SirLagz | hopefully the drive will last that long |
| 02:48.14 | Roenie | the backup will take all night if it does |
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| 02:48.49 | dvs | get a WD passport |
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| 02:53.54 | Roenie | 1.3TB over gbit ;) |
| 02:54.03 | SirLagz | at least it's not over 100mbit |
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| 02:55.19 | Roenie | yeah that's why it's raid 0 to begin with |
| 02:55.42 | Roenie | if i had had 100mbit lan i wouldn't have been running raid0 |
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| 02:55.54 | SirLagz | even if i had gigabit i wouldn't have run raid0. |
| 02:56.05 | dvs | I'd never run RAID 0 |
| 02:56.22 | Roenie | raid 0 is fine, you just HAVE TO back it up at all times, don't even risk it for a minute :S |
| 02:56.42 | dvs | RAID 0 ain't fine at anytime. |
| 02:56.59 | dvs | Dunno why it was invented. |
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| 02:57.17 | SirLagz | only time I'd use RAID0 is for a non-critical OS drive where all configurations are backed up...like a gaming machine or something. |
| 02:57.25 | geggam | raid 01 :) |
| 02:57.38 | geggam | get some spindles |
| 02:57.42 | SirLagz | RAID10 > RAID01 |
| 02:58.05 | geggam | be interested to see the io read write difference... |
| 02:58.13 | geggam | maybe sometime ill bench it |
| 02:58.25 | SirLagz | between 01 and 10 ? |
| 02:58.27 | geggam | yes |
| 02:58.44 | SirLagz | at a guess Id sy theyd be around the same |
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| 02:58.49 | geggam | i wouldnt |
| 02:59.06 | mischief | fancy seeing you here :p |
| 02:59.14 | geggam | im everywhere :) |
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| 03:01.18 | Roenie | nice... i already have a mount line in fstab hashed out so i can easily mount the remote machine with mount -a ;-) |
| 03:01.35 | Roenie | remove hash, mount -a, voila |
| 03:03.13 | Roenie | copying... dear god let this work and not give me 1.3TB of corrupted iso files of epic games |
| 03:03.48 | SirLagz | pity you didn't get checksums for all the files before this happened |
| 03:03.48 | Roenie | it seems the problem is writing to the drive tho, seems to read OK |
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| 03:04.15 | SirLagz | hrmm...there's an idea for me to do when i get home |
| 03:04.33 | Roenie | i *think* anything newly written fails to read back but i don't want to test now - the drive might drop |
| 03:05.05 | Roenie | hmz looks like the copy process just froze |
| 03:07.51 | Rug | Is debian planning on switching over to systemD? |
| 03:08.35 | Roenie | [ 1606.075152] EXT4-fs error (device md127): ext4_journal_start_sb:327: Detected aborted journal |
| 03:08.35 | Roenie | [ 1606.075155] EXT4-fs (md127): Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 03:09.03 | themill | Rug: perhaps. Maybe. When it's ready. See overly long "discussions" on debian-devel mailing list |
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| 03:09.54 | SirLagz | what's a good lightweight music player |
| 03:10.00 | Rug | themill: Honestly I hope it doesn't. |
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| 03:10.07 | Rug | SirLagz: mpd/mpc |
| 03:10.55 | themill | Rug: *shrug* it's not like sysvinit is a good init system for modern kernels or modern systems architectures. |
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| 03:13.32 | Rug | themill: I know that it is 'better' to run off of systemd, but I don't like that fact that the interface to it is more like programming then running scripts. i.e. (/etc/init.d/networking restart) vs (sysctl netctl restart ???) it too obscure for me. |
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| 03:14.11 | themill | "restarting networking" has always been a problematic concept and is discouraged in debian as it is |
| 03:14.44 | themill | in any case, "service $name $action" works for both sysvinit and other init systems has has been the recommended approach for many years |
| 03:14.59 | themill | (it's also less typing and tab completes more easily) |
| 03:15.22 | Rug | yes I know, but it has _never_ worked for me. I am just stuck in old-fart mode. |
| 03:16.18 | geggam | service name action is spotty to script |
| 03:16.34 | geggam | sometimes it works.. sometimes it half works... sometimes it just does nothng |
| 03:17.00 | Rug | geggam: hehe yeah that has been my experience. |
| 03:17.08 | themill | whatever that means... |
| 03:17.26 | geggam | it means its not reliable |
| 03:17.30 | geggam | :) |
| 03:17.51 | themill | no, it's utterly meaningless. |
| 03:17.59 | geggam | k |
| 03:18.03 | geggam | to you |
| 03:18.15 | peterrooney | Here's a totally salient question: in ten years, how easy will it be to teach a rookie about how the init system works? |
| 03:18.22 | themill | real bugs with bug numbers would be helpful. |
| 03:18.35 | geggam | why write bugs to argue with developers ? |
| 03:18.39 | geggam | jsut dont use it :) |
| 03:18.55 | geggam | irc is for arguing |
| 03:18.55 | themill | peterrooney: I suspect it's easier to learn an event-driven init system that it is to relearn it if you started off with sysvinit |
| 03:19.05 | themill | #debian is not |
| 03:19.19 | Rug | I'm not trying to rant, or troll, or start a flame-war. I was just hoping to find a fellow linux user to say: Yeah I don't like systemD either. It sure looks nice but I can't figure it out. |
| 03:19.20 | geggam | k ... you arent debian |
| 03:19.23 | geggam | or ian |
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| 03:19.32 | geggam | rug i hate systemd |
| 03:19.35 | geggam | and refuse to use it |
| 03:19.53 | themill | Rug: it is actually well documented but the documentation takes a little time to find. |
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| 03:20.48 | peterrooney | themill: then it's not _well_ documented, is it? |
| 03:21.13 | themill | um... it's better documented than insserv |
| 03:21.13 | geggam | its national security ... we cant tell you that peterrooney |
| 03:21.29 | geggam | just take our word for it |
| 03:21.39 | Rug | themill: Honestly, I was just shocked to discover that things were changing. (remember old fart mode) I tried it out, and announced to my wall; I don't like it! |
| 03:22.08 | themill | Most people don't interact with their init system at all. I'm yet to really understand how people "try out an init system! |
| 03:22.14 | geggam | if it works and people want to change it find out why they want to change it |
| 03:22.23 | geggam | if they have a good reason the change might be good |
| 03:22.24 | dankk | what's a good program to chain proxies with? |
| 03:22.28 | geggam | tor |
| 03:22.32 | dankk | not tor.. |
| 03:22.47 | themill | peterrooney: the problem with finding documentation is that various search engines want to correct your misspelling of "system" when you search. |
| 03:22.48 | dankk | I'm looking to chain proxies prior to connecting to the tor network |
| 03:23.23 | Rug | themill: actually, I start/stop/restart things ALL THE TIME, be it firewall rules, smb.conf, apache, etc.... |
| 03:23.23 | geggam | as if tor wasnt latent enough ? |
| 03:23.55 | dankk | it's not |
| 03:23.55 | geggam | rug ... ever use monit ? |
| 03:24.04 | dankk | there was just recently a vulnerability with the TBB |
| 03:24.11 | geggam | it does that for you... |
| 03:24.18 | themill | Rug: if your only objection was that you preferred typing "/etc/init.d/" to "service" then ... |
| 03:24.33 | dankk | to be on the safe side, I don't want the tor network having access to my ip, considering it's reputation. |
| 03:24.52 | themill | dankk: are you using TBB on debian? |
| 03:25.02 | dankk | yes, why? |
| 03:25.44 | Rug | themill: "monit" no, but I will look into it. and it just isn't 'typing out the string' that I liked, it' |
| 03:26.24 | Rug | s being able to edit the files/scripts directly and be able to 'see' where it fails if it does |
| 03:26.30 | themill | dankk: because all the bits of it are already in Debian and then you get debian security support for them. The vulnerability you described in TBB was fixed in Debian as soon as it was found just the same as it was fixed in TBB |
| 03:26.59 | dankk | I'm aware. |
| 03:27.02 | themill | Rug: that's not really any different |
| 03:27.45 | dankk | I'd still like to connect to a proxy or two first.. again, given the tor networks reputation I don't want to connect directly to it |
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| 03:29.30 | Rug | if 'service network restart' fails then I have to then look at the log and hunt it down, but with the init scripts (especially on firewall rules (for example) I can see what like of the file it fails at and jump to the edit right away. Please keep in mind this is 10+ years of habit and being used to working it a particilar way and nothing more. It kinda feel like why people complain about Windows8 and MS taking away the Start-menu |
| 03:29.51 | Rug | like * line |
| 03:32.28 | rryoumaa | i wasn' |
| 03:32.33 | themill | Rug: you don't get a line number from an init script either. And "restarting networking" is probably the worst example you could pick as I already said. |
| 03:32.36 | rryoumaa | t aware that there was a reputation issue |
| 03:32.52 | rryoumaa | are you sure there is one? |
| 03:33.39 | geggam | bash -x /etc/init.d/service start does debug output |
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| 03:34.17 | themill | the fact that you don't have dozens of lines of boilerplate in a declarative job also makes the debugging a lot easier |
| 03:34.44 | Rug | themill: does systemd allow you to use this: ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 && /etc/init.d/firewall restart |
| 03:35.02 | rryoumaa | is debian going to change init? |
| 03:35.53 | geggam | if it does that will be the end of debian here |
| 03:35.54 | dankk | Is there a program I can use to chain proxies prior to connecting to the Tor network? |
| 03:36.04 | themill | Rug: you should put firewall stuff into if-up and if-down calls, but if you wrote a firewall init script then you could have written a firewall unit file. |
| 03:36.05 | dankk | Preferrably a free program |
| 03:36.06 | geggam | here being where i work |
| 03:36.45 | themill | geggam: it would be much more useful to learn about it and fix any bugs you find |
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| 03:40.02 | Rug | themill: just as an example, but I edit firewall rules (my own script, thank-you) about a hundred times a week for 20+ clients. 99% of the time I can do it all remotely by ssh'ing into my boxes. The above command is how I restart everything. Yes I do have the firewall configured to 'restart' whenever it detects an ifdown and ifup, so the last command isn't required but it does help when the ethX is taking it's time comming abck online. |
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| 03:41.20 | themill | Rug: so there's no reason you can't have "ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 && service firewall restart" then. Why would there be a reason you couldn't do that? |
| 03:42.43 | themill | and you could still put your firewall rules into a shell script or config file or whatever you want to do and call it from the init script/unit. |
| 03:43.05 | Rug | themill: about 25% of the time "service firewall restart" doesn't appear to work. |
| 03:43.20 | themill | that really says nothing of value.... |
| 03:43.22 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 03:43.23 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 03:45.29 | j4j | I heard this place was a cesspool. |
| 03:45.31 | themill | (And considering that if you're not using upstart or systemd running "service foo restart" just runs "/etc/init.d/foo restart" if it's not doing things right, it's a bug in the foo init script) |
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| 03:46.37 | Rug | themill: I didn't say it doesn't work, I said it doesn't appear to work. i.e. checking the status/logs/etc. don't show me ...Firewall started successfully... Like I have said before this is all habit, now I _could_ find another way of doing it. Like having the network stack call an external script for my firewall rules, but it seems a little redundant. |
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| 03:47.51 | Roenie | was having a hard time getting the data copied off the raid 0... swapped the sata cable and retried, hasn't dropped so far |
| 03:48.02 | Rug | themill: I am not trying to fight, or be argumentative. I have found "service restart xxxx" to be less reliable for me in the past and I was hoping that Debian was not jumping on that bandwagon. |
| 03:48.20 | themill | Rug: when you say "service" do you mean sysvinit or systemd? |
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| 03:49.36 | Rug | themill: I assume sysvinit because systemd wasn't being used 5+ years ago was it? |
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| 03:51.00 | Roenie | i also set the md device to mount read only in fstab, so no write events will be done, keeping the drive from dropping (in theory at least) |
| 03:51.14 | themill | Rug: seeing as "service" does nothing other than run the init script, *it* isn't going to have reliability problems like you describe. |
| 03:51.21 | Roenie | remounting it readonly wasn't enough |
| 03:51.48 | SirLagz | Roenie: still dropping ? |
| 03:51.58 | Roenie | seems to not be dropping now |
| 03:52.13 | Roenie | already copied about 10 gigs |
| 03:52.21 | SirLagz | Roenie: fingers crossed you get it all then |
| 03:52.33 | Roenie | fingers mega crossed indeed |
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| 03:52.40 | Roenie | all of them |
| 03:52.44 | themill | Rug: anyway, nothing you know about "service" working or not working in sysvinit has anything to do with the reliability or otherwise of systemd. They're quite orthogonal things the only thing in common is the name of the command that can be used to manually start/stop things |
| 03:53.02 | Roenie | it could be the sata cable, which would blow my mind |
| 03:53.12 | SirLagz | lol,possible |
| 03:53.27 | SirLagz | i have a flake sata cable, works with some drives and doesnt workwithothers |
| 03:53.32 | Roenie | i mean, how does a sata cable break when the case is closed |
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| 03:53.40 | SirLagz | flakey* |
| 03:53.52 | SirLagz | heat ? |
| 03:54.03 | Roenie | nope, sweet cooling in this rig |
| 03:54.20 | SirLagz | vibration ? |
| 03:54.22 | Rug | themill: that is surprising to hear and prehaps something is wrong with my entire install process, because it has not worked for me in the past. I tried to use it when I first saw the warning message in debian. (/etc/init.d/networking is being depreciated, please use service networking in the future). |
| 03:54.51 | xunny | yeah~ |
| 03:55.47 | Roenie | i'm at 47GB |
| 03:56.23 | LLckfan | I am trying to rreconnect my blu-ray player to my routeers wifi and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 03:56.31 | Rug | geggam: Thanks for the sympathetic ear! =) |
| 03:56.37 | SirLagz | LLckfan: reboot router |
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| 03:57.20 | Roenie | SirLagz, ata3 is probably not dropping now because I edited fstab to mount the array read only |
| 03:57.35 | themill | Roenie: hmm... the message reads "Running $0 $1 is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces". Basically, no-one can agree on what restarting networking means (it's not a daemon, it's a combination of different daemons and kernel config) that it's best not to use it at all and do what you really want rather than hope that something called "networking" exists |
| 03:57.37 | LLckfan | SirCmpwn I have |
| 03:57.48 | SirCmpwn | grats |
| 03:57.50 | SirLagz | possibly...only one way to find out :D |
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| 03:58.15 | Roenie | SirLagz, if you don't mind though, i will wait with that test until i have my data |
| 03:58.17 | Roenie | lol |
| 03:58.21 | themill | Roenie: err... ETAB. Ignore me. |
| 03:58.34 | SirLagz | Roenie: haha, that's what i meant :P |
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| 04:11.14 | dankk | Is there a program to chain proxies? |
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| 04:14.00 | mischief | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/proxychains |
| 04:15.47 | dankk | thanks |
| 04:16.11 | dankk | I'm just not sure if it will work |
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| 04:17.40 | Roenie | SirLagz, btw the choice for raid 0 vs raid 1 was also influenced by how often the data change, which in this case is not often, giving plenty of time to make a backup |
| 04:17.57 | Roenie | whereas my docs for example are on raid 1 because they change too often inbetween backups |
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| 04:19.01 | Roenie | and it just so happens to be that speed is essential for the data on my raid 0, and not at all for my docs etc |
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| 04:19.58 | Roenie | 100MB/s through cifs with mc, not too shabby |
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| 04:28.50 | pbase | does anyone else have the no audio from speaker after 5 minutes problem too ? (headphones working fine) |
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| 04:33.09 | Jonuz | If I move my home directory to another dir and symink it to back, shoul dit work? |
| 04:33.13 | Jonuz | should it* |
| 04:34.07 | pbase | Jonuz: you are not clear |
| 04:34.17 | Jonuz | Hmm |
| 04:34.28 | pbase | when you move the directory it doesnot exist |
| 04:35.02 | pbase | the root can do that but where will you symlink back? |
| 04:35.14 | Jonuz | My plan: /home/jonuz to /to /media/shit1/ and ls -n /media/shit1/ /home/jonuz |
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| 04:35.36 | Jonuz | ls -n /media/shit1/jonuz * |
| 04:35.48 | pbase | why do you want to do that? |
| 04:36.15 | Jonuz | Cuz im using laptop and I want put my /home/ dir to truecrypt partition |
| 04:37.07 | pbase | if i am not wrong you can simply do that changing the fstab.. i am not sure though |
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| 04:37.46 | Jonuz | Okay |
| 04:38.06 | Jonuz | Should I still be able to login if there ain't anything in /home/jonuz ? |
| 04:38.30 | Jonuz | Only what is needed for truecrytp |
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| 04:40.18 | pbase | fstab should map that i think |
| 04:40.24 | mns | anyone running MPD on their debian/jessie system and trying to listen to it via their android device ? any pointers on getting that set up ? |
| 04:40.33 | mns | or what clients to use for android ? |
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| 04:42.06 | Jonuz | Ain't that problem when /media/truecrypt1/ doesn't exist before I uncrypt it with truecrypt |
| 04:43.23 | pbase | Jonuz: not sure |
| 04:43.35 | Jonuz | Ok |
| 04:43.52 | Jonuz | well i will test how it works in buguntu |
| 04:44.32 | themill | you can have libpam-mount mount $HOME for you at login time if you want. (works with luks, no idea about truecrypt) |
| 04:44.47 | mischief | mns: html5 <audio> tag? |
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| 04:45.44 | mns | mischief: I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. all I want to do is stream my music from my machine at home, to my android phone. |
| 04:45.46 | peterrooney | Jonuz: you could always change $HOME in /etc/passwd. |
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| 04:46.09 | mischief | mns: write a html file with an html5 <audio> tag and load it in the browser. |
| 04:47.49 | mischief | mns: just tested https://offblast.org/radio on my phone.. seems functional. |
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| 04:48.42 | phoenix__ | i am not able to mount ntfs usb hard disk.. |
| 04:50.09 | Pei | how do i add samba users on debian |
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| 04:52.07 | mns | mischief: yes it works, but I've got no control of the music, or what song plays or anything like that. I think the MPD httpd built-in plug-in does a similar thing. |
| 04:52.59 | phoenix__ | ntfs volume in debian 7 |
| 04:53.16 | phoenix__ | and why do i have to login as root everytime to install software |
| 04:54.24 | pbase | phoenix__: are you a windows user? |
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| 04:54.37 | themill | phoenix__: you don't need to log in as root, you need root privileges. You can configure sudo (gksudo etc) to give you the necessary permissions when needed. |
| 04:54.52 | Zeranoe1 | I think http://cdimage.debian.org/ might be down, cant get the latest netisnt http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:55.03 | mischief | mns: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients#tiny_and_simple_php_based_clients_.2F_good_for_mobile_devices |
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| 04:55.55 | phoenix__ | themill: i changed my user account type to administrator still i am not able to do admin tasks |
| 04:56.29 | aBound | Howdy all, I'm curious has anyone in here upgraded to Debian 7.1 and installed a vanilla 3.9 kernel?!? |
| 04:56.32 | phoenix__ | pbase: i was a ubuntu user |
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| 05:01.54 | phoenix__ | pbase: echo "penguin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
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| 05:07.07 | pbase | phoenix__: if i were u, i wouldnot use sudo.. i kind of dislike that concept. root seems good enough for me |
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| 05:10.30 | themill | phoenix__: adding yourself to the "sudo" group is sufficient. "adduser penguin sudo" |
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| 05:14.46 | phoenix__ | themill: how can i mount ntfs volume? |
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| 05:17.04 | themill | dpkg: tell phoenix__ about ntfsrw |
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| 05:17.40 | themill | would pick a different filesystem |
| 05:18.54 | phoenix__ | themill: in ubuntu my ntfs external hard disk auto mounts just like a usb flas drive |
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| 05:26.25 | phoenix__ | themill: pbase do i need root priveleges to mount with ntfs |
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| 05:29.27 | socomm | phoenix__: yes you will need super user privileges if you would like to mount anything on *NIX |
| 05:30.10 | socomm | socomm: there are services which will run with elevated privileges and mount storage devices for you, like you mentioned on ubuntu |
| 05:30.22 | socomm | why am I addressing myself |
| 05:30.38 | exorcist | Can someone help me install debian image on my tablet i get permission denied erroe and i cannt switch to root |
| 05:31.20 | socomm | exorcist: you will need to 'root' your tablet |
| 05:31.30 | exorcist | Soccom how |
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| 05:32.32 | phoenix__ | i installed gufw from terminal but there is no icon in the applications menu |
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| 05:33.00 | socomm | exorcist: varies from tablet to tablet |
| 05:33.01 | baegle | I don't see any information about this, but was bastille dropped from Wheezy? I can't install it |
| 05:33.16 | socomm | exorcist: you'll have to look that up on Google, or what ever search enginge you prefer |
| 05:34.12 | socomm | baegle: if its not in the standard repo you'll have to find 3rd party repo |
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| 05:34.38 | baegle | socomm: I thought it was, but I guess it's only in sid |
| 05:34.42 | exorcist | But i try to launch the image install from complete linux installer interface |
| 05:35.41 | socomm | exorcist: 'root privilege' think of it as 'admin' from windows OS, root gives you full rights to the hardware |
| 05:36.08 | socomm | exorcist: if you don't have admin rights on the tablet you won't be able to make many changes to the core of the tablet |
| 05:36.23 | exorcist | But i am the only user on my tablet so i must be the root |
| 05:36.49 | socomm | exorcist: yes and no, the tablet vendors limit what users can do on their devices - for obvious reasons |
| 05:36.56 | themill | baegle: bastille wants love -- it has 4 RC bugs and the maintainer has requested help with the package. Perhaps you'd be interested in helping out? |
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| 05:37.23 | exorcist | Ok how do get full rights on my tablet |
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| 05:38.00 | socomm | exorcist: http://www.google.com - '<your tablets make model> root instructions' |
| 05:38.20 | Nik05 | check the tablets manual |
| 05:38.38 | socomm | Nik05: vendors will not give you instructions on how to root their devices |
| 05:38.38 | Nik05 | oh wait they probably dont do that... |
| 05:38.52 | socomm | Nik05: would be counter productive for them to lock it down and then tell you how to root it |
| 05:38.56 | Nik05 | so stupid, you bought the device :P |
| 05:39.48 | socomm | heads to bed |
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| 05:42.41 | exorcist | My tablet rooting instructions say i need to have sdcard but i dont hqve sdcard slot |
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| 05:52.48 | exorcist | Hi guys google says that in ordet to root my tablet i need to have sdcard but i dont have sdcard slot |
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| 06:53.48 | Psyduck9550 | Hiya! |
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| 07:09.13 | bullgard4 | VNC is not standardized in a RFC? I grepped for it in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc-index |
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| 07:12.03 | gnarface | bullgard4: that doesn't shock me. i don't think it should shock you. its a ghetto hack. |
| 07:12.41 | bullgard4 | gnarface: Right. What is a "gehtto hack", please? |
| 07:12.56 | gnarface | bullgard4: the wrong way to do it |
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| 07:13.09 | bullgard4 | I see. Thank you for your help. |
| 07:13.29 | gnarface | bullgard4: that said, maybe you're just not grepping for the right thing... i'm not sure you'd find HTTP rfcs by grepping for web browser names |
| 07:13.34 | themill | bullgard4: the protocol is called RFB in any case and it's pretty much dictated by one company |
| 07:13.50 | gnarface | ah yes, thanks themill RFB |
| 07:17.17 | Devastator | I've configured imap section of gitconfig to send e-mails to my Draft folder, but my e-mail is from another domain and I received "remote domains not supported" error from exim4, I then tried to configure exim as an SMTP server, but I guess I'm doing something wrong as e-mail doesn't leave queue |
| 07:17.57 | bullgard4 | themill: In ~/.vnc/<hostname>:1.log I found a copyright notice of "RealVNC Ltd." -- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 07:19.14 | LLckfan | I am trying to rreconnect my blu-ray player to my routeers wifi and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 07:19.18 | gnarface | Devastator: i think that's something you can fix by running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 07:19.26 | gnarface | Devastator: (and then answering the questions correctly) |
| 07:19.50 | Devastator | gnarface that's the thing, what's the correct answer for the questions? heheh |
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| 07:20.47 | gnarface | Devastator: well, by default i don't think it even is configured to handle mail delivery to or from external sources at all |
| 07:21.41 | gnarface | Devastator: the default is "local delivery only" or something like that. but once you've configured it to send/receive mail publicly, it still by default will not allow relaying from domains other than its own |
| 07:21.57 | gnarface | Devastator: it sounds to me like that's what you need, if you're trying to get the server to send mail for another domain |
| 07:22.05 | gnarface | Devastator: "relaying" |
| 07:22.09 | Devastator | hummm |
| 07:22.12 | Devastator | lets see |
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| 07:22.19 | gnarface | Devastator: i think you can add relaying capability for domains or just for specific hosts |
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| 07:23.55 | gnarface | Devastator: i also don't think exim handles IMAP at all; that's usually courier or something else external and as far as i know is only for accessing your delivered mail, not for mail delivery (outgoing all happens via SMTP) |
| 07:25.15 | Devastator | oh well.. |
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| 07:27.01 | gnarface | Devastator: do you need to relay mail for multiple domains? if not, it may be easier to just configure the exim server so it matches your mail domain... |
| 07:27.30 | Devastator | no, just my e-mail domain |
| 07:27.53 | Devastator | gnarface this is what I'm reading: http://git-scm.com/book/ch5-2.html |
| 07:28.27 | Devastator | see how he does the config for Gmail? in my case, it's not gmail, but I'm about to try with a gmail account I have |
| 07:28.59 | Devastator | unless I'm deeply wrong, won't make a difference because gmail.com is also a remote domain |
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| 07:29.46 | gnarface | Devastator: i'm sorry i see a reference to a git based IMAP configuration and i don't think that has anything to do with exim |
| 07:30.45 | gnarface | Devastator: did you try to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 07:30.46 | bhuddah | just to make things clear: exim and imap have absolutely nothing in common |
| 07:30.46 | Devastator | the exim part came by searching on google why I was receiving "remote domains not supported" from mailer-daemon |
| 07:31.10 | bhuddah | what are you trying to achieve in the first place, Devastator |
| 07:31.32 | gnarface | Devastator: run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config like i suggested initially; mail servers should send TO remote domains no problem. maybe you just have it set to "local delivery only" (the default) |
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| 07:32.13 | Devastator | gnarface I've ran it, but I'm gonna run again and if you can, help me answer the questions |
| 07:32.28 | gnarface | ok go for it |
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| 07:33.10 | gnarface | Devastator: just to be clear here, you're trying to set up your local exim instance to be able to send and receive mail right? |
| 07:33.17 | Devastator | first question, general type of mail configuration: internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP, correct? |
| 07:33.33 | gnarface | yes, that's what you want for that one. notice no mention of IMAP whatsoever |
| 07:33.44 | abrotman | since when is exim an imap server? |
| 07:33.50 | Devastator | gnarface let me start over |
| 07:34.33 | gnarface | Devastator: tell abrotman your problem exactly, what you're trying to accomplish, first. not how (we may have to change the how, we can't tell yet just based on what you've told us) |
| 07:34.55 | gnarface | Devastator: i have a tendency to leap to the most obvious conclusion and sometimes i'm wrong |
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| 07:35.20 | Devastator | I was following the page I showed you, then I typed "git send-email mypatch.patch" choosed to send from "myemail@remotedomain.com", choosed to send to "myemail@remotedomain.com" again, and selected yes to send it |
| 07:35.40 | abrotman | i don't know much about git though |
| 07:36.04 | bhuddah | it just sends a mail at that point |
| 07:36.05 | abrotman | Devastator: the gmail auth to exim doesn't rely on your ability for your own system to send/receive mail |
| 07:36.23 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
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| 07:37.23 | bhuddah | Devastator: i think what you need goes by the name smart-host |
| 07:37.27 | abrotman | that whole thing depends on the remote wanting to accept your mail, and having TLS available |
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| 07:37.39 | abrotman | and yes, you want smarthost, not send/receive email |
| 07:37.49 | Devastator | hum |
| 07:37.51 | Devastator | let's see |
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| 07:38.16 | bhuddah | at the personal level i would prefer postfix over exim. but that is your choice. i'm just not experienced with the configuration of exim |
| 07:38.21 | gnarface | it seems that is my mistake; i assumed it was his local mail server refusing to relay mail for his OWN domain |
| 07:38.31 | Devastator | mail sent by smarthost; received by SMTP or fetchmail? |
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| 07:38.37 | Devastator | s/by/via |
| 07:38.38 | abrotman | bhuddah: I would as well, but the documentation for doing this for exim is plentiful |
| 07:38.46 | abrotman | Devastator: yes, that option |
| 07:38.50 | bhuddah | abrotman: good to know. |
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| 07:39.09 | gnarface | yes this should not be an "open hood" exim modification; the dpkg-reconfigure script should do it all |
| 07:39.13 | bhuddah | Devastator: is receiving even necessary? |
| 07:39.22 | abrotman | gnarface: not all .. it won't do the TLS bit |
| 07:39.24 | Devastator | bhuddah not really |
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| 07:39.37 | gnarface | aboman: he needs TLS for htis? |
| 07:39.38 | bhuddah | Devastator: then just don't configure it .. and no need to worry. |
| 07:39.45 | abrotman | bhuddah: it's "receiving" via fetchmail, etc .. ignore that part |
| 07:39.47 | gnarface | abrotman: he needs TLS for this? |
| 07:39.52 | gnarface | aboman: ignor me, sorry |
| 07:40.00 | bhuddah | abrotman: yep. |
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| 07:40.06 | Devastator | system mail name: it's just the name of my machine, do I need to put a real domain here? |
| 07:40.09 | abrotman | gnarface: that's how the gmail docs read .. I have no idea if his relay server supports TLS, one would hope |
| 07:40.16 | abrotman | Devastator: read the wiki URL I pasted |
| 07:40.21 | Devastator | sorry |
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| 07:44.10 | sett | anyone know why command groups and groups myusername give different output? |
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| 07:44.35 | gnarface | sett: because you're not who you think you are ;) |
| 07:44.38 | abrotman | sett: you haven't logged out/logged in since you added yourself to some new group |
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| 07:45.22 | sett | abrotman thanks |
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| 07:46.09 | bhuddah | :) |
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| 07:52.31 | Devastator | well, let's try with my gmail account then, don't know why but with my isp domain it's not working |
| 07:52.50 | Devastator | I get retry time not reached for any host |
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| 07:54.16 | bhuddah | ? |
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| 07:56.59 | Devastator | that's the error: (-53) retry time not reached for any host |
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| 07:58.08 | bhuddah | googling says it's exim related.. can't help |
| 07:58.39 | Iridos | pfft |
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| 08:00.20 | Iridos | Devastator, there's an example config for gmail in the page you said you followed... and seems it's just putting it via imap in the gmail drafts-folder for you to send at will lateron |
| 08:00.46 | miha | hello, would anyone know: after power failure, debian server on gpt / raid partition doesnt boot, just says GRUB |
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| 08:01.10 | Iridos | sounds like it's hungry |
| 08:01.19 | miha | :p |
| 08:01.29 | bhuddah | have you tried pressing enter? ^^ |
| 08:01.42 | Iridos | dpkg, rescue |
| 08:01.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
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| 08:03.10 | Iridos | miha, you probably need to boot into your system with a rescue disk... chroot into the existing / partition, mount /boot and /usr and run ... well, update-grub |
| 08:03.10 | miha | thx, but i never did grub-install on gpt |
| 08:03.35 | miha | is it any different? |
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| 08:03.54 | Iridos | wait |
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| 08:04.43 | Iridos | for raids you usually keep /boot outside the raid... that avoids a lot of questions |
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| 08:05.29 | bhuddah | uhm... |
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| 08:13.15 | Iridos | you're thinking of asking a question, but you don't, so it works |
| 08:13.29 | miha | :p |
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| 08:15.18 | apollo13 | hi, so I enabled jessie on a box and set APT::Default-Release "wheezy"; now a package still wants to update to jessie: https://dpaste.de/8MLKR/ aby udea wgy the backport has no higher pin than jessie? |
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| 08:15.52 | apollo13 | or rather what should I set so that I have wheezy* higher as jessie by default? |
| 08:15.59 | apollo13 | pin everything? |
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| 08:16.55 | themill | apollo13: default-release almost never works exactly as people think and this is exactly one of the cases where it doesn't... If you have a look at the output of "apt-cache policy" you'll see that your package doesn't come from "wheezy" |
| 08:17.12 | apollo13 | themill: yeah, that's why I am asking if pinning is the way to go |
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| 08:19.01 | themill | apollo13: I'd recommend against mixing wheezy and jessie at all. If you really want to, you'd have to do it with pinning and you'd need to separately pin wheezy and wheezy-updates |
| 08:19.22 | themill | (and pin jessie lower) |
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| 08:19.47 | apollo13 | grml, why do I always fail at writing pinning files^^ |
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| 08:20.53 | LLckfan | I am trying to rreconnect my blu-ray player to my routeers wifi and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 08:21.13 | bhuddah | LLckfan: are you gonna try it in all rooms? |
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| 08:21.38 | abrotman | LLckfan: how is this related to Debian? |
| 08:21.51 | jelly | bhuddah: channels! |
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| 08:22.21 | bhuddah | jelly: hehehe :D |
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| 08:25.24 | tsester | among the kde gnome standard xfce iso images the "standard" is one that has no graphical environment? |
| 08:27.56 | gnarface | tsester: you're talking about debian live? both the ones that don't mention a window manager in their filename are without X |
| 08:28.23 | gnarface | tsester: (rescue and standard both, i believe) |
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| 08:29.20 | tsester | yes, ok |
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| 08:43.15 | apollo13 | themill: works now, thx |
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| 09:02.09 | miha | can't reinstall grub on gpt http://www.wolfey.si/tmp/gpt.jpg (but install worked until today) |
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| 09:03.43 | miha | i see this article http://velenux.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/grub-failing-to-install-on-debianubuntu-with-gpt-partitions/ .. but we are supposed to already have this |
| 09:04.49 | babilen | miha: AFAIK it is preferred to actually use a GPT compatible partitioning scheme with a BIOS boot partition and EFI system partition ... How come you use such an unusual partitioning scheme? |
| 09:05.10 | babilen | miha: See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition for some details. |
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| 09:06.57 | babilen | miha: Which version of grub-efi is that? (could you show me the output of "dpkg -l grub-efi|tail -n1" ?) |
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| 09:08.23 | miha | my boss installed it... .. it's wheezy, but livecd is squeeze |
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| 09:08.59 | miha | it's raid, 4x2TB raid5 |
| 09:09.20 | babilen | miha: Our squeeze installers don't support GPT so that explains why you ended up with such a strange configuration. |
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| 09:10.05 | miha | thx! |
| 09:10.11 | babilen | miha: There was some guide that detailed the steps needed to migrate from MBR to GPT somewhere, but I can't find it right now. I guess that the steps would be more or less the same for your setup. |
| 09:10.40 | miha | babilen: thing is, server worked until today, after power outage, grub doesnt boot |
| 09:10.52 | miha | i guess they will download wheezy cd now :) |
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| 09:11.02 | babilen | miha: Alternatively use a wheezy installer to install it and let the automatic partitioner create the BIOS boot partition and EFI system partition for you (you can/should then alter the rest of the automatically created partitions to your liking) |
| 09:11.06 | miha | babilen: but partition seems fine mounted from livecd |
| 09:12.55 | babilen | miha: It's not that the partition you have there is broken in some way, but rather that GPT/EFI requires/prefers a specific partitioning scheme and, in particular, the presence of the aforementioned efi system and bios boot partition. I am not entirely sure why it worked for you before, but maybe the check that prevents you from using blocklists has been added to recent versions of grub-efi ... |
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| 09:14.12 | babilen | I mean you are probably able to override the "will not proceed with blocklists" by passing "--force" to grub-install, but that really isn't recommended. It would, probably, still be better than an unbootable system. ;) |
| 09:14.33 | miha | babilen: exactly ;) |
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| 09:15.14 | miha | babilen: well it was standard debian install, more or less |
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| 09:15.34 | babilen | yeah, sure but our squeeze installers don't support GPT and you would need the wheezy one. |
| 09:15.45 | miha | they are downloading it now yes |
| 09:15.50 | babilen | great! |
| 09:15.56 | miha | any chance grub install will work with wheezy cd? :) |
| 09:15.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell miha -about firmware image |
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| 09:17.24 | redintellect | I want to purge some packages from synaptic |
| 09:17.46 | redintellect | glx-alternatives-mesa and nvidia, to be specific |
| 09:18.02 | redintellect | BUT synaptic gives me broken package error and couldn't be fixed |
| 09:18.28 | redintellect | and apt says that there's no package such as glx-alternatives-mesa after purge |
| 09:18.54 | redintellect | now I have to install them again, apt-get doesn't find it and synaptic doesn't help |
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| 09:21.26 | babilen | miha: No, it is not that grub-install or so is broken it is rather that the squeeze installer doesn't create the partitions that are expected for a "proper" GPT/EFI setup. |
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| 09:21.55 | Devastator | abrotman thanks, after a lot of try & error, it works hehe |
| 09:23.00 | miha | so should grub-install --force work? |
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| 10:00.30 | ws2k3 | Hello my debian server is reguarly under attach then my ping rise and i see ksoftirqd consuming alot of CPU this can indicate a packet flood/syn ddos attack right? what can i do to see if there is an attack going on i dont see anything in my broadband its not higher then normaly |
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| 10:05.58 | Asenar | Hi, I have a symlink in /usr/bin/java (which points to an existing file) but if I type "java" I get the error "bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory". Do you have an idea why ? |
| 10:06.44 | miha | Asenar: ls -l /usr/bin/java ? |
| 10:07.24 | Asenar | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 mai 10 10:25 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java |
| 10:07.31 | Asenar | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 août 12 11:51 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java |
| 10:07.37 | Asenar | and that file exists |
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| 10:07.46 | Asenar | chmod 755 |
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| 10:10.55 | Asenar | miha, I don't know the problem but in fact event if I call directly "/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java" I have that message : "bash: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory" (and this is a binary) |
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| 10:11.24 | Asenar | I will probably find the solution on internet thanks you |
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| 10:11.41 | miha | Asenar: is it executable? |
| 10:11.59 | Asenar | yes it is |
| 10:12.10 | Asenar | this is probably not debian or bash relate |
| 10:12.10 | Asenar | d |
| 10:12.43 | themill | Asenar: what does "file /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java" say? |
| 10:12.59 | Asenar | /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, BuildID[sha1]=a558f547fe0b95fdc6a109cb7d9692d6d7969794, not stripped |
| 10:13.47 | themill | and dpkg --print-architecture says "amd64"? |
| 10:14.24 | Asenar | nop themill i386 |
| 10:14.38 | themill | there you go then |
| 10:14.49 | Asenar | This is the wrong java version ? |
| 10:15.26 | themill | it's for the wrong architecture, yes |
| 10:16.07 | Asenar | :/ |
| 10:16.22 | Asenar | weird because I installed it with apt-get |
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| 10:17.43 | Asenar | thanks you again themill , I found my mistake |
| 10:17.45 | themill | Asenar: no... oracle jdk is not anywhere in debian |
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| 10:19.29 | Asenar | yeah, I forgot I added something in sources.list |
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| 11:07.37 | Sigihard_Eber1 | Whats a Mexicans favourite sport? Cross Country. |
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| 11:10.18 | kephra | moin - lets say I have my wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces as "iface wlan0 inet dhcp\n\twpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" - and several networks in wpa_supplicant - how do I tell debian in `ifup wlan0` what network to choose, if several are available? |
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| 11:20.30 | bullgard4 | [Wheezy Xfce] gedit > Edit > Preferences > (gedit Preferences) > Font & Colors > (Font) > 'Use the system fixed width font (Ubuntu Mono 8)' is asserted. But Gedit does not show text with a fixed-width font. How can I fix this? |
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| 11:21.29 | sveajobb | Hi, is there a way to install maven 3.1 using apt? |
| 11:22.17 | sveajobb | can't seem to find a proper repository anywhere |
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| 11:24.37 | stefunel | what package contains the ar utility? |
| 11:25.42 | ksk | stefunel: "dpkg -S $path/to/file" |
| 11:25.44 | ksk | -> binutils |
| 11:26.05 | ksk | ,versions maven |
| 11:26.06 | judd | Package: maven on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.4-3; jessie: 3.0.4-6; sid: 3.0.4-6 |
| 11:26.15 | ksk | sveajobb: no way |
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| 11:26.39 | stefunel | ksk thanks |
| 11:26.40 | ksk | there might be 3rd party repos, but they are not supported in here |
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| 11:27.43 | sveajobb | ksk, hmm, too bad :\ thanks though |
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| 11:30.48 | sveajobb | strange considering it is the current stable version of maven.... |
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| 11:33.33 | jelly | sveajobb: a distro does not immediately import any version an upstream author declares stable |
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| 11:34.11 | mamtina | hello :) |
| 11:34.13 | sveajobb | jelly, true enough, I come from a slackware background, so I know ;) |
| 11:34.38 | mamtina | A tool to comment in a pdf file, please! |
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| 11:39.41 | f8l | mamtina: Did you `apt-cache search ` it? |
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| 11:40.49 | jelly | apt-cache search pdf comment returns no useful results, f8l |
| 11:41.54 | mamtina | which package should I search with "apt-cache search"? |
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| 11:45.45 | jelly | mamtina: apt-cache search looks in package names and (short) descriptions, the idea is to hunt for some keywords and the command _returns_ some package names |
| 11:46.10 | mamtina | apt-cache search xournal |
| 11:46.11 | mamtina | ;) |
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| 11:58.14 | Monotoko | I seem to get some strange timeout problem with my SSH connection... after about 5 minutes it just freezes, I imagine it's a security precaution placed by the previous sysadmin |
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| 11:58.36 | Monotoko | but it's driving me nuts... and it's only possible to get to our SSH server via the office anyway |
| 11:59.06 | Monotoko | I've checked the ssh config... but can't find anything that would suggest a timeout should occur |
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| 11:59.36 | _bt | firewall probably closing ssh session |
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| 12:01.22 | Monotoko | _bt, nothing in iptables as far as I can see... and nothing on the server firewall (it's bad, and I'm in the process of firewalling it, that's why I thought I'd tackle this issue at the same time) |
| 12:01.42 | _bt | hardware firewall in between ? |
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| 12:04.15 | f8l | Monotoko: Are you sure your IP is not changing? |
| 12:04.18 | Sabbie | Monotoko: you can put "ServerAliveInterval 60" in your .ssh/config |
| 12:04.28 | Sabbie | that'll send a keepalive every minute |
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| 12:04.43 | Sabbie | you can use the same line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config I think |
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| 12:05.47 | Igor^ | unicode code point is saved on the hard disk using utf8 utf16 or ucs2 encodings for example? |
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| 12:06.27 | Monotoko | f8l, the office IP is static, if it was changing I wouldn't be able to close it and connect again |
| 12:06.32 | Monotoko | thanks Sabbie I will try that |
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| 12:06.44 | Sabbie | it happens a lot with SSH, nothing weird :) |
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| 12:10.02 | f8l | Monotoko: Why not? |
| 12:10.33 | Monotoko | f8l, it's only listening on our network |
| 12:10.45 | Igor^ | in how many bits utf8 saves a character? |
| 12:10.59 | f8l | Igor^: It depends to what you compare. |
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| 12:11.11 | Igor^ | f8l, how you mean? |
| 12:11.15 | Igor^ | depends on waht? |
| 12:12.00 | f8l | Monotoko: So you can get a different IP address from the same network. All current connections get stalled, new are possible to be opened. |
| 12:12.30 | f8l | Igor^: If you want to compare something, you have to compare it to something else. |
| 12:13.17 | Monotoko | f8l, the office connects to a firewall server which acts as DHCP on a 10. address. Everything that goes out of here goes on one statically assigned address |
| 12:13.47 | f8l | Igor^: Also UTF-8 is a variable length coding, so the answer depends on the actual text you want to encode. |
| 12:15.06 | f8l | Monotoko: OK. I was not aware how your office network is built. I just said changing IP address could be a potential problem. |
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| 12:16.46 | Igor^ | f8l, I know but what is the maximum it uses? |
| 12:17.27 | Igor^ | I ment 4 bytes not bits |
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| 12:18.20 | f8l | Igor^: Now that's a question. 5 or 6 bytes max IIRC. |
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| 12:19.28 | Igor^ | why wikipedia says 4? |
| 12:19.31 | Igor^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 |
| 12:19.39 | Igor^ | UTF-8 encodes each of the 1,112,064 code points in the Unicode character set using one to four 8-bit bytes (terme ...... |
| 12:20.28 | jelly | Igor^: because that's what UTF-8 did originally. Read the Derivatives paragraph. |
| 12:20.34 | kephra | Monotoko, do you have NAT in your office firewall - most likely NAT table overflow of a cheap router, that times out old inactive TCP sessions to free its table for all that http requests |
| 12:21.34 | Igor^ | jellow, I didn't understood you sorry :S |
| 12:21.56 | Monotoko | kephra, we do - but I don't think it's a router which controls it... I believe the DHCP on the firewall itself gives out the addresses |
| 12:22.11 | Monotoko | (I didn't set it up) |
| 12:22.53 | f8l | Igor^: `man utf-8` |
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| 12:23.06 | kephra | Monotoko, edit your $HOME/.config to add http://patrickmylund.com/blog/how-to-keep-alive-ssh-sessions/ |
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| 12:23.26 | kephra | *oups* $HOME/.ssh/config of course |
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| 12:23.34 | Igor^ | you dont know :S |
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| 12:24.23 | Monotoko | Igor^, I've been focussing on things that have been breaking... kind of had to overlook things that worked for the past few weeks |
| 12:24.24 | f8l | Igor^: 6 bytes max. It's clearly stated in the manpage. |
| 12:24.36 | jelly | Igor^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Derivatives |
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| 12:25.38 | _val_ | Hello everyone. One of our fileservers running debian 6.0.7 is shutting down occasionally. It throws a Call Trace: https://dpaste.de/GebCS/ I don't know what/who to blame. Is it rsync? is it the filesystem? Thanks in advance |
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| 12:27.38 | jelly | _val_: you seem to have a number of processes hung on locks in ext3 fs code, which kernel is used? |
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| 12:28.06 | radek | hello i have problem with my battery its goes to zero percent and I cannot charge it.. Is some battery analyzer for linux I have tried to find some but I dont.. Can you please give some advice? |
| 12:28.17 | _val_ | jelly: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:28.40 | jelly | _val_: version of linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package? |
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| 12:29.38 | jelly | _val_: unless you see other issues pointing to hardware (storage performance too feeble), I'd blindly try a newer kernel, perhaps from squeeze-backports |
| 12:30.02 | _val_ | jelly: we recently upgraded to this kernel. |
| 12:30.31 | jelly | _val_: good for you. When did the symptoms start? |
| 12:31.00 | _val_ | jelly: I guess after the upgrade. Hmm. |
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| 12:31.56 | Igor^ | if I use character reference in html file how that character reference is saved on the server hard disk and when the web server sends the file on browser request, how the browser will decode the character reference? |
| 12:31.56 | Igor^ | My Nginx web server is configured to not send character encoding in the header I have set character encoding in the meta tag on page level to utf8. |
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| 12:32.26 | jelly | _val_: technically you can try to debug the issue with the kernel team, but I wouldn't take that step if a 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports worked |
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| 12:33.28 | lxsameer | one of my programs can't access to /etc/ld.so.nohwcap and file does not exists, how can i fix that |
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| 12:33.41 | _val_ | jelly: I'm trying to understand the Call Trace. It seems the fs is generating some errors. Maybe a fault disk? It's set to be on raid 1 |
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| 12:36.22 | jelly | _val_: the traces seem to just show processes hung at different points in time |
| 12:36.23 | _val_ | jelly: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try another kernel. |
| 12:36.54 | jelly | _val_: there's no explanation why the system crashes at all in your paste |
| 12:37.10 | _val_ | jelly: the ''rsync'' in between there.. is confusing me a bit. |
| 12:37.23 | Igor^ | why wikipedia syas utf8 uses 4 bytes max |
| 12:37.26 | Igor^ | is that true? |
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| 12:37.44 | jelly | _val_: you have a couple "rm" and a "bzip2" as well. |
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| 12:38.25 | jelly | _val_: each block like line 70-91 is for a specific process |
| 12:38.40 | jelly | Igor^: again, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Derivatives |
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| 12:39.35 | cooldharma06 | hi all |
| 12:39.37 | jelly | Igor^: there are encodings looking almost like UTF-8, but slightly different in certain cases, that may use 6 8bit bytes to encode a character. |
| 12:39.55 | jelly | !goal Igor^ |
| 12:39.56 | dpkg | Igor^: Please describe your overall goal, not what you think the solution probably is. There's probably a much easier way of doing all of this.... ask me about <xyproblem>. |
| 12:40.00 | _val_ | jelly: that can cause the problems yes. There is a script running in /etc/cron.d which does one and other with rsync. |
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| 12:40.11 | cooldharma06 | how to format a pendrive its all files are readonly file systems |
| 12:40.16 | _val_ | I might check the script. It usually worked quite well untill the upgrade. |
| 12:40.36 | _val_ | Thank you for your time and patience. I'm going to investigate it first and see how nasty it gets :) |
| 12:40.56 | cooldharma06 | i googled and tried some commands also |
| 12:40.59 | Igor^ | I don;t know how many bytes utf8 uses at max |
| 12:41.01 | jelly | _val_: not "cause", "trigger" the problem. It's not userspace process fault that kernel hung. |
| 12:41.05 | Igor^ | that is my ultimate GOAL |
| 12:41.12 | Igor^ | can you understand it? |
| 12:41.17 | jelly | Igor^: why do you need to know that? |
| 12:41.20 | Igor^ | or I need to explain it? |
| 12:41.29 | Igor^ | jellow, that is not of your business |
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| 12:41.38 | Igor^ | and I won't tell you jelly |
| 12:41.51 | Igor^ | I don;'t want to tell you I refuse to |
| 12:42.04 | jelly | Igor^: so you cannot explain your actual goal, that's alright. |
| 12:42.06 | Igor^ | are your feelings hurt now and you won't answer me? |
| 12:42.11 | Igor^ | no I can |
| 12:42.12 | jelly | not at all. |
| 12:42.13 | Igor^ | if you need to |
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| 12:42.56 | digdilem | "How not to get help". Up there with spamming the same question in multiple channels, like he's just done too |
| 12:43.00 | jelly | will just help someone willing to explain their situation in full instead. |
| 12:43.34 | Igor^ | I don;t know how many bytes utf8 uses at max that is my SItutation and ultimate GOAL |
| 12:43.39 | _val_ | jelly: It is a kernel space you mean? |
| 12:43.47 | Igor^ | if you feel you need further explanation please let me know |
| 12:43.49 | sveajobb | Igor^, you just said wikipedia states utf8 uses a maximum of 4 bytes, why would you doubt that? |
| 12:44.02 | Igor^ | sveajobb, because guys on #Linux told me 1-6 |
| 12:44.06 | Igor^ | and stackoverflow is saying 1-6 |
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| 12:45.23 | jelly | _val_: yes. |
| 12:46.15 | jelly | _val_: I guess it could be your storage system is merely very very slow, but that usually shows other symptoms in dmesg. |
| 12:46.28 | _val_ | jelly: running the script imo is a userspace event. It's just simply going from 1 to 0( sys call) |
| 12:46.53 | jelly | (like sata or scsi commands timeouting) |
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| 12:47.53 | _val_ | jelly: we've 15k SAS disks. |
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| 12:49.23 | _val_ | jelly: As you have seen the paste. ''rm'' is not being ran manually. |
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| 12:49.55 | _val_ | nor is rsync. The script runs automatically but not at the time that the server hung. There is something misterious. |
| 12:50.42 | Monotoko | I have two "ListenAddress"'s in my sshd_config |
| 12:50.49 | Monotoko | I can SSH from one of the addresses fine |
| 12:50.54 | Monotoko | the other gets a connection refused |
| 12:51.03 | Monotoko | (and I've restarted SSH after adding it..) |
| 12:51.23 | jelly | _val_: there are lots of default cron jobs that may invoke rm. |
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| 12:54.02 | jelly | _val_: the console might have more relevant output when the crash happens |
| 12:55.00 | _val_ | jelly: you mean the /dev/console ? |
| 12:56.06 | _val_ | jelly: i'm looking at the messages.1 file right now. Are there other relevant files where debian might write it logs ? |
| 12:56.21 | _val_ | s/it/its. |
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| 12:56.41 | jelly | _val_: I mean the physical console device. |
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| 12:57.09 | jelly | vga or dvi or hdmi with monitor attached, or serial port |
| 12:57.30 | _val_ | jelly: hmm.. don't make me go to the DC :< |
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| 12:58.31 | jelly | _val_: you don't have remote console access? |
| 12:59.04 | _val_ | jelly: we run iLo ports and configured tham. |
| 12:59.18 | SirLagz | mmm ilo |
| 12:59.20 | jelly | _val_: there you go then |
| 12:59.33 | SirLagz | anyone know why grub doesn't want to boot a different kernel than hte first one ? |
| 12:59.33 | _val_ | Not for the file system though. What a conincedence hm. |
| 12:59.44 | SirLagz | I've tried using set-default-grub ? i think it was but it still didn't like it =/ |
| 12:59.49 | _val_ | coincidence. I'm a little nervous ^^ |
| 13:00.19 | jelly | connect the thing and verify it works before the next crash happens |
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| 13:02.35 | _val_ | jelly: going to take measures. Thanks again for your help. |
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| 13:04.27 | jelly | _val_: cheers, good luck |
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| 13:15.17 | Monotoko | hmm, one of my servers refuses to SSH to the other when I enable ListenAddress in the sshd config even if I put the other servers IP in there |
| 13:15.34 | Monotoko | I can SSH in fine if my address is on ListenAddress |
| 13:16.23 | bhuddah | routing? |
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| 13:17.51 | Monotoko | bhuddah, it works when ListenAddress is off... |
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| 13:18.02 | Monotoko | it seems to connect okay, I get a connection refused message |
| 13:18.12 | Monotoko | (if you get what I mean..) |
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| 13:18.20 | bhuddah | no... |
| 13:18.26 | bhuddah | now i'm even more confused. |
| 13:18.43 | Monotoko | sorry hold on |
| 13:18.51 | bhuddah | you know.. listen is a server attribute |
| 13:18.56 | bhuddah | it does not affect the client |
| 13:19.14 | Monotoko | I know, but I'm using the client on one server to attempt to connect to another server |
| 13:19.20 | bhuddah | sure. |
| 13:19.21 | jelly | Monotoko: ListenAddress is the LOCAL ip address of that machine to put the ssh service on. |
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| 13:19.34 | bhuddah | that is what i was going to say next. |
| 13:19.45 | bhuddah | it is not for what to listen but where to listen |
| 13:20.19 | Monotoko | yeah... I'm using the IP address of the other server... let's call them ServerHost and ServerClient |
| 13:20.26 | jelly | Monotoko: a service sits quietly on that IP address and waits for someone, anyone, to connect from elsewhere TO that address. |
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| 13:20.56 | Monotoko | ServerClient can connect just fine without ListenAddress... when I turn ListenAddress on, on ServerHost, with ServerClients IP, it doesn't work |
| 13:20.57 | jelly | Monotoko: pastebin the output of "ip a" and grep -v '^#' /etc/ssh/sshd_config from the ssh server. |
| 13:21.08 | Monotoko | jelly, will do |
| 13:21.13 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:21.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:21.25 | Monotoko | I know... |
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| 13:21.53 | jelly | I did not know that you knew and now I know. |
| 13:22.16 | bhuddah | i know a lot about what both of you seem to know :D |
| 13:22.42 | jelly | (many new users assume that using the verb "pastebin" means "put it on pastebin.com") |
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| 13:23.21 | jelly | !give bhuddah a cookie |
| 13:23.22 | dpkg | gives bhuddah a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up. |
| 13:23.35 | bhuddah | nomnomnom |
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| 13:25.53 | Monotoko | -.- pastebinit is dead? |
| 13:25.59 | Monotoko | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
| 13:26.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Monotoko about pastebinit |
| 13:26.36 | jelly | Monotoko: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:27.11 | Monotoko | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/24329/ and http://paste.debian.net/24328/ |
| 13:27.36 | Monotoko | the IP of the client that's trying to connect (and gets "Connection Refused") is: 109.231.72.75 |
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| 13:28.18 | lectus | Hello! I just installed Debian 7 with KDE desktop. Is it safe to upgrade to testing for newer packages? |
| 13:28.31 | ksk | !tell lectus about testing |
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| 13:28.57 | themill | Monotoko: ListenAddress is the IP address on the local machine to bind to, not the IP address from which connections should be accepted |
| 13:29.10 | jelly | Monotoko: the only things that make sense to put in a Listen address line are those 4 addresses from lines 8-11 in http://paste.debian.net/24328/ |
| 13:29.28 | ksk | lectus: for my desktop systems i use testing/sid and like it, but things can break and if you dont know how to fix it manually you might end up with a non-working workstation ;) |
| 13:29.47 | Monotoko | right... that's the last time I trust a blog from the 'net |
| 13:29.56 | Monotoko | any way to do what I'm after? |
| 13:30.06 | jelly | Monotoko: so pick one of those, restart the ssh service, and connect from your client to the one you picked. |
| 13:30.38 | jelly | Monotoko: what ARE you after? |
| 13:30.53 | Monotoko | jelly, alright so that's not what I was after... what I'm after instead is restricting SSH to 5.10.152.226 and the 109.231.0.0/16 network |
| 13:31.06 | Monotoko | and refusing anyone else |
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| 13:32.12 | lectus | ksk: Thanks for answering. I'm using Debian as Desktop at home. This is not a critical server. I also have used other debian-based distros and arch linux. So, I think it's probably safe to run testing? |
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| 13:32.28 | lectus | I plan to stick to Debian forever now though |
| 13:33.14 | jelly | Monotoko: you will have to use either iptables firewall rules, or tcp_wrappers support in debian's build of openssh-server (/etc/hosts.allow) |
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| 13:33.21 | jelly | Monotoko: or an external firewall |
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| 13:34.30 | Monotoko | jelly, thank you - sorry I was barking up the wrong tree and didn't understand when you said it first time... |
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| 13:37.01 | jelly | no problem |
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| 13:53.39 | jubei | could somebody help me get rid of locale messages? |
| 13:54.09 | jubei | http://codepad.org/2ilETDcT |
| 13:54.18 | jubei | I've been googling for a while but nothing I tried works |
| 13:55.01 | ksk | jubei: dpkg-reconfigure locale (or locales, dunno) |
| 13:55.12 | jubei | ksk: I've already done that |
| 13:55.57 | jubei | is there anyway to just remove locale support? |
| 13:56.06 | jubei | or would that break my server? |
| 13:56.14 | themill | jubei: LC_CTYPE is not set correctly there |
| 13:57.07 | themill | jubei: what did you select when you run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 13:57.25 | jubei | themill: eer... a few en_us related locales |
| 13:58.18 | jubei | [*] en_US ISO-8859-1 [*] en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 [*] en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 14:00.33 | Iridos | jubei, don't set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8, that doesn't exist as such |
| 14:00.51 | Iridos | ah, themill has been faster |
| 14:00.58 | jubei | Iridos, I have no memory of setting LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 |
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| 14:01.43 | jubei | Iridos, themill: how can I re-set LC_CTYPE? |
| 14:01.43 | themill | how are you logging on to that machine? |
| 14:01.44 | jubei | themill: ssh |
| 14:01.48 | themill | from? |
| 14:01.56 | jubei | themill: from my mac, w/ terminal |
| 14:02.07 | themill | !mac locales |
| 14:02.08 | dpkg | If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). |
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| 14:02.30 | jubei | lol :) awesome. |
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| 14:03.01 | Iridos | neat |
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| 14:04.04 | jubei | that did the trick. |
| 14:04.08 | jubei | thank you all very much! |
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| 14:08.59 | ^7heo | hey, I wondered, what does the "domain" step change, in the debian installer? |
| 14:09.17 | ^7heo | only /etc/hosts ? |
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| 14:09.29 | ^7heo | or is tehre anything I didn't see? |
| 14:09.31 | ^7heo | there even* |
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| 14:11.26 | SirLagz | lol. Managed to kernel panic my Raspberry Pi trying to get it to be a wifi bridge |
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| 14:13.08 | Iridos | ^7heo, yes... possibly searchpath in /etc/resolv.conf, but most likely not... can't think of anything else either |
| 14:13.30 | ^7heo | Iridos: okay, I'll serach that. |
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| 14:13.32 | ^7heo | Thanks! :) |
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| 14:14.17 | Iridos | ^7heo, find /etc/ -type f -exec grep -il yourdomainname {} + 2>/dev/null |
| 14:14.23 | ^7heo | usually I just grep -rni |
| 14:14.33 | Iridos | newfangled stuff! |
| 14:14.43 | ^7heo | ? |
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| 14:14.55 | Iridos | -r option to grep :) |
| 14:15.13 | ^7heo | ah |
| 14:15.20 | ^7heo | yeah well, GNU inside. |
| 14:15.41 | ^7heo | it HAS to be bloated in some way, so at least make the bloat useful. |
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| 14:15.41 | ^7heo | hides |
| 14:15.55 | Iridos | I was already using the newfangled "+" option to find! |
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| 14:17.28 | Iridos | interesting... -R seems to be actually posix |
| 14:17.33 | Iridos | while -r is not |
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| 14:17.47 | ^7heo | yeah well |
| 14:17.59 | ^7heo | a bunch of programs use either R or r |
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| 14:18.12 | ^7heo | grep is r, chmod/own are R |
| 14:18.16 | ^7heo | etc. |
| 14:18.20 | ^7heo | in doubt, I try both. |
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| 14:18.22 | jelly | ^7heo: grep -R works as well. |
| 14:18.33 | ^7heo | yeah, but does it do the same? |
| 14:18.46 | jelly | yes. |
| 14:18.47 | ^7heo | yeah it seems |
| 14:18.53 | ^7heo | (from the man) |
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| 14:18.58 | Iridos | it does according to man |
| 14:19.01 | jelly | grep -R worked on Solaris 2.6 too |
| 14:19.21 | Iridos | but from what I read in a thread, -R is posix, -r is gnu-specific |
| 14:19.26 | ^7heo | *according to man* |
| 14:19.27 | Iridos | jelly, shocking |
| 14:19.33 | ^7heo | I never trust man 100% |
| 14:19.57 | ^7heo | or only on NetBSD maybe. |
| 14:20.14 | exorcist | Can someone help me install debian image i get permission denied and i cannt switch to root and google says i need sdcard to root my tablet but i dont have thr sdcard slot |
| 14:20.45 | ^7heo | wtf are you trying to say? |
| 14:21.15 | Iridos | ^7heo, ls now also has sort and recurse options... dunno I'll not start reading manpages of all coreutils on a yearly basis... so you'll just have to bear with me when I use solutions that already used to work 20 years ago, even if there's something simpler since 10 years or so which might also be part of posix |
| 14:21.16 | ^7heo | exorcist: calm down, take a shower, go smoke a cig or two... |
| 14:21.23 | ^7heo | and try again :P |
| 14:21.39 | exorcist | I ran out of cash cannt buy ciggaretes |
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| 14:22.00 | ^7heo | smoke something. You seem to need it. Badly. |
| 14:22.13 | exorcist | I already smoked |
| 14:22.14 | Iridos | tsk, stay polite |
| 14:22.26 | ^7heo | Iridos: have I been rude? |
| 14:22.48 | exorcist | Opium |
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| 14:22.56 | ^7heo | yeah, that can do it :P |
| 14:23.03 | Iridos | exorcist, I think it would help if you would describe the problem ... more... |
| 14:23.09 | Iridos | oh well, that explains a lot |
| 14:23.14 | ^7heo | nah |
| 14:23.15 | ws2k3 | Hello my debian server is reguarly under attach then my ping rise and i see ksoftirqd consuming alot of CPU this can indicate a packet flood/syn ddos attack right? what can i do to see if there is an attack going on i dont see anything in my broadband its not higher then normaly |
| 14:23.23 | exorcist | Iridos can i pm |
| 14:23.24 | ^7heo | Opium does quite the opposite normally. |
| 14:23.37 | ^7heo | it doesn't make you rush like that. |
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| 14:23.50 | ^7heo | That looks like MDMA if you ask me. |
| 14:23.53 | ^7heo | anyway |
| 14:24.00 | ^7heo | ws2k3: then detach it ;) |
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| 14:24.38 | ^7heo | ws2k3: more seriously, you should check your upstream router to see if you can configure some rules/graylisting |
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| 14:25.04 | exorcist | Iridos, hi |
| 14:25.06 | ws2k3 | yes i can set some rules with my upstream provider |
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| 14:25.17 | ws2k3 | but first i shouldetermine if there is an packet flood |
| 14:25.23 | ^7heo | ws2k3: then check if your provider has something against DDoSes |
| 14:25.23 | ws2k3 | first i need to be sure of that |
| 14:25.38 | ^7heo | the upstream router can see what happens. |
| 14:25.43 | ^7heo | it's the best way to check. |
| 14:25.47 | ws2k3 | yes i can place some iptables rules in there firewall |
| 14:25.53 | ^7heo | I mean |
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| 14:26.07 | ^7heo | if you get DDoSed, your machine will probably drop a few packets |
| 14:26.13 | ^7heo | that's the whole point of the thing |
| 14:26.23 | ^7heo | so, you can't get an accurate reading from your machine. |
| 14:26.32 | Iridos | exorcist, please leave it in here... |
| 14:26.33 | ws2k3 | ah okay |
| 14:26.41 | ^7heo | you need to check from the upstream router(s). |
| 14:26.45 | ws2k3 | so there are no toold to detect is an ddos is going on |
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| 14:27.01 | ^7heo | not afaik, but maybe other people will point you some. |
| 14:27.15 | ^7heo | I mean, basically, the machine recieves all the packages on its iface. |
| 14:27.21 | ^7heo | so in theory, it's possible. |
| 14:27.23 | ^7heo | brb |
| 14:27.27 | ws2k3 | okay |
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| 14:28.50 | SirLagz | has anyone managed to create a wlan bridge before ? |
| 14:28.57 | SirLagz | that's bridging wifi interface to eth |
| 14:29.19 | verysoftoiletppr | I've rsynced a folder with about 500GB of files from my old server to my new server. I have another folder with hardlinks to those files in the original server. How can I recreate those hardlinks in the new server? |
| 14:29.20 | exorcist | Iridos im trying to install debian image on my asus nexus 7 tablet through complete linux installer app and i get permission denied |
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| 14:30.38 | Iridos | exorcist, I have no experience with android apps... not even with the ones that install debian... but perhaps someone else can jump in |
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| 14:39.29 | ^7heo | ws2k3: also, it is possible to calculate the load given a certain amount of I/O. So it's theorically possible to limit (or drop) further input in accordance to rules based on resources load... |
| 14:40.24 | ^7heo | now, it's probably not linear, probably not easy, and the dynamism of such a system would also depends on the load... |
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| 14:40.56 | ^7heo | meaning that at highload, you get lowest reactivity, so, the more you get stressed, the less you are likely to get in protected mode. |
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| 14:41.16 | ^7heo | and this, considering DDoS, is everything but a solution. |
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| 14:41.48 | ^7heo | So the real solution to DDoS is a hardware based one, with NIC support. |
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| 14:42.03 | ^7heo | (or some upstream router protection, also) |
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| 14:44.53 | halt | Hi all, I have a basic basic question with sudo, I should know it but do not, so I have in the /etc/sudoers the "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d" and in the /etc/sudoers.d/test "myuser ALL=NOPASSWD:/bin/su admin_user" but got "syntax error near line 0 <<<" why is it wrong ? this should be the right syntax I think |
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| 14:45.10 | pbase | i am looking for a nice twitter application for debian.. can anyone suggest one? |
| 14:45.11 | holms | how can I remove all packages? |
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| 14:45.23 | holms | would be nice to pass dpkg --list to apt-get remove |
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| 14:45.32 | holms | im really lazy to reinstall whole os |
| 14:45.36 | ^7heo | holms: rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 14:45.41 | jelly | holms: what's your real goal? |
| 14:45.47 | jelly | ^7heo: don't do that. |
| 14:45.49 | holms | jelly: remove all installed packages by apt-get |
| 14:45.50 | holms | that's my goal |
| 14:45.55 | ^7heo | jelly: yeah, it will remove all the packages, for sure. |
| 14:45.58 | holms | cause some deps fuckuped |
| 14:46.08 | themill | holms: why not fix that problem instead |
| 14:46.13 | ziyourenxiang | dpkg --list | xargs apt-get remove something like that? |
| 14:46.15 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ziyourenxiang |
| 14:46.23 | ziyourenxiang | sorry :-D |
| 14:46.25 | themill | no. |
| 14:46.26 | holms | themill: because i'm developing one project and would be nice to have install over clean system |
| 14:46.30 | holms | to make sure everything is fine |
| 14:46.37 | themill | holms: then get the installer and reinstall |
| 14:46.51 | holms | ziyourenxiang: yeah good idea just dpkg --list displays lots of columns |
| 14:46.51 | jelly | holms: it's hard to figure out what tasks had been initially installed. |
| 14:47.00 | ziyourenxiang | awk is your friend |
| 14:47.05 | holms | k will try |
| 14:47.07 | ^7heo | sed is your real friend. |
| 14:47.14 | ^7heo | akw is ward. |
| 14:47.19 | ^7heo | awk even |
| 14:47.37 | ^7heo | or should I say awk is |
| 14:47.42 | holms | not so easy for me =/ |
| 14:47.42 | ^7heo | \1ward ? |
| 14:47.43 | pbase | holms: you could try something like - apt-get purge a* |
| 14:47.47 | themill | holms, ziyourenxiang: no. this isn't going to work. |
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| 14:48.04 | ^7heo | (yeah sorry, US keyboard here, I'm used to UK ones, the enter key isn't the same) |
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| 14:48.48 | holms | if somebody could please write how to filter that column of package name (from dpkg --list) |
| 14:48.52 | holms | i would give you a cookie |
| 14:49.11 | jelly | holms: the point is, you configuration items are changed and uninstallation of packages won't fix that |
| 14:49.24 | themill | holms: there is no point in doing so, so no. |
| 14:49.27 | holms | purge configs also..? |
| 14:49.40 | pbase | holms: it is easy |
| 14:49.42 | jelly | holms: there's no simple, easy way to get a clean slate apart from a reinstall |
| 14:50.11 | jelly | holms: you might be able to use a fresh clean chroot environment tho. |
| 14:50.11 | pbase | holms: you can write it to a txt file |
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| 14:50.24 | pbase | open it on excel |
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| 14:50.29 | holms | *sigh* |
| 14:50.35 | pbase | use replace |
| 14:50.36 | holms | why in freebsd it was easy =/ |
| 14:50.47 | holms | on osx macports also can remove everything |
| 14:50.48 | holms | with configs |
| 14:50.58 | themill | holms: if you want a fresh install, start with the installer. |
| 14:50.59 | holms | purge one by one.. won't give what i want..? |
| 14:51.20 | holms | themill: you mean.. |
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| 14:51.33 | holms | without booting cd/usb/whatever? |
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| 14:52.48 | ws2k3 | and how can i detect my ksofticqd proces is going mad and alot of CPU usage can i find out Why he is so bizzy? |
| 14:55.50 | crane_work | maybe i |
| 14:56.10 | crane_work | maybe i'm stupid but... how do i get this work? cp foo foo-{1..} |
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| 14:56.37 | crane_work | s/1../1..10/ |
| 14:57.24 | jelly | crane_work: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:57.43 | jelly | crane_work: make ten numbered copies of a file? |
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| 14:58.28 | crane_work | jelly, jup |
| 14:58.45 | crane_work | jelly, copy foo into foo-1 foo-2 foo-3 and so on |
| 14:58.54 | jelly | crane_work: cp command syntax takes only one destination. Thus, you can copy one or many sources into just one destination. If you want multiple destinations, this _has to_ be done one destination at a time, |
| 14:59.25 | jelly | crane_work: for i in {1..10}; do echo cp foo foo-"$i"; done |
| 14:59.36 | crane_work | pwnd... |
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| 14:59.40 | crane_work | jelly, thank you :) |
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| 15:01.18 | jelly | ws2k3: ksoftirdq for a start, find out which irqs you get so many of. you could use something like watch -d cat /proc/interrupts |
| 15:01.57 | jelly | watch -d highlights changes between successive runs of a command |
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| 15:03.11 | ws2k3 | jelly and how can i find out which one does that |
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| 15:03.53 | jelly | ws2k3: huh? |
| 15:03.57 | ws2k3 | i see alot of ahci Local timer interrupts Rescheduling interrupts |
| 15:04.02 | ws2k3 | but what does that tell me |
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| 15:05.08 | jelly | ws2k3: there is a lot of interrupts for the ahci (sata disk controller) driver, and local timer and some have to be rescheduled. |
| 15:05.33 | jelly | ws2k3: you may ignore the local timer and rescheduled ones. |
| 15:05.35 | ws2k3 | okay but what does that mean |
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| 15:05.48 | mordocai | Can anyone help me out with this exim4 message? (on debian wheezy) http://paste.debian.net/24365/. Every message sent by cron is having this problem, I have a queue full of frozen messages due to it. |
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| 15:06.00 | ws2k3 | okay but the sata disk controller what does that mean/what does this tell me |
| 15:06.12 | jelly | ws2k3: ahci drives sata disks, so your system appears to have a lot of sata disk activity. |
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| 15:06.43 | jelly | ws2k3: (or the driver doesn't work optimally) |
| 15:06.44 | jordanm | mordocai: well, what does mydomain resolve to? |
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| 15:07.16 | mordocai | jordanm: The ip address of my server. |
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| 15:07.23 | jelly | ws2k3: you'd then inspect dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log and see if there's anything interesting related to ahci/sata |
| 15:07.28 | mordocai | jordanm: It is a publically routable domain and ip address |
| 15:07.52 | jordanm | mordocai: what about the MX record? |
| 15:08.47 | jelly | ws2k3: since these are disks, you would also use io measurement tools (vmstat, iostat, atop, iotop) to see if there's a lot of io requests |
| 15:08.54 | jordanm | mordocai: if it's meant to be delivered locally, does the user "t" exist? |
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| 15:09.31 | mordocai | jordanm: No, and I'm unsure why cron is sending as/to user t. |
| 15:09.43 | ws2k3 | jelly well there is close to no hdd activity |
| 15:09.48 | ws2k3 | but i'm seethat using iotop |
| 15:09.51 | mordocai | jordanm: MX records per dig -> http://paste.debian.net/24371/ |
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| 15:10.02 | ws2k3 | Total DISK READ: 0.00 B/s | Total DISK WRITE: 66.23 K/s i think thats not extreme |
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| 15:10.29 | mercutio22 | should I be able to sift contacts in the gnome shell search? |
| 15:10.40 | jelly | ws2k3: and yet you see "lots" of ahci interrupts. How much does it change in 2 seconds? tens? hundreds? thousands? |
| 15:10.46 | jordanm | mordocai: either you have MAILTO set in the crontab or an alias setup for root |
| 15:10.56 | jelly | (it = watch -d cat /proc/interrupts) |
| 15:11.06 | ws2k3 | jelly is it possible that a ddos attack is causing this high cpu usage of ksofticqd? |
| 15:11.20 | jelly | ws2k3: it could be. |
| 15:11.27 | mordocai | jordanm: Well i certainly didn't purposely do either. Where would an alias for root be set? |
| 15:11.37 | jordanm | mordocai: /etc/aliases |
| 15:11.37 | jelly | ws2k3: or it could be something else... |
| 15:11.46 | ws2k3 | well i think i'm having a ddos attack |
| 15:11.57 | ws2k3 | because the ping to the server is getting high and i'm getting time-outs |
| 15:12.09 | mordocai | jordanm: Obvious i suppose :P. yeah, looks like that's the issue. root is aliased to t |
| 15:12.21 | jelly | ws2k3: if you suspect DoS, you should be able to see excessive network traffic or established network connections |
| 15:12.24 | ws2k3 | in the interrupts overview i see this 44: 125977922 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge eth0 is that extreem? |
| 15:12.30 | mordocai | jordanm: Thanks! Do i even need a root: root line? |
| 15:12.46 | jordanm | mordocai: no |
| 15:12.58 | jelly | ws2k3: single numbers are not important at all, the only interesting thing is how fast they change |
| 15:12.59 | ws2k3 | network traffic is about 1.5 mbps so nothing strange there |
| 15:13.11 | mordocai | jordanm: Quick test works now, thanks for the help! |
| 15:13.17 | ws2k3 | that one does not change at all |
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| 15:13.55 | jordanm | mordocai: np |
| 15:14.17 | jelly | ws2k3: then it's not relevant as a ksoftirqd source |
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| 15:15.12 | ws2k3 | jelly eth0 if change realy quick |
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| 15:15.22 | jelly | if? |
| 15:15.29 | ws2k3 | jelly eth0 it change realy quick |
| 15:15.31 | onethfour | why am i getting a bunch of messages like this: Message from syslogd@debian at Aug 12 01:41:59 ... |
| 15:15.31 | onethfour | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:15.42 | onethfour | and what do they mean? |
| 15:15.45 | jelly | ws2k3: you just said it did not change at all, which one is it? |
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| 15:15.56 | ws2k3 | 125995394 changes into 125998036 |
| 15:16.04 | ws2k3 | couple mins back it didnt change to much |
| 15:16.08 | ws2k3 | but now its change realy fast |
| 15:16.16 | jelly | that's 1500 per second, not too much but who knows |
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| 15:16.39 | ws2k3 | well its still consutimg 99 % cpu |
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| 15:17.09 | ws2k3 | hmm it looks like it has stopped now whatever it was |
| 15:17.17 | ws2k3 | but i'm pretty sure it will be back it allways comes back |
| 15:17.31 | ws2k3 | jelly thanks for all your help and i will be back |
| 15:17.37 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 15:18.47 | jelly | onethfour: do you see the same lines in /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 15:19.14 | jelly | onethfour: if you do, pastebin the last couple hundred |
| 15:19.19 | onethfour | jelly, yes i do |
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| 15:20.24 | onethfour | http://paste.debian.net/24372/ |
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| 15:21.22 | charl | nbsd |
| 15:21.28 | onethfour | ? |
| 15:21.29 | charl | bah sorry |
| 15:21.41 | charl | wrong window :) |
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| 15:22.10 | jelly | onethfour: you seem to have processes stuck in kernel, mostly vmware related |
| 15:22.29 | onethfour | what do i do to get them out? |
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| 15:22.57 | jelly | onethfour: (vmtoolsd, kworker stuck in e1000 code, swapper stuck in e100 code) |
| 15:23.01 | jelly | e1000* again |
| 15:23.30 | onethfour | what is the best way to proceed? |
| 15:24.04 | jelly | onethfour: it's likely a bug in either vmware tools modules, or the kernel, or both. Upgrade the kernel, reboot, see if it happens again, upgrade vmware tools / guest extensions |
| 15:24.29 | jelly | 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 is outdated |
| 15:24.42 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 15:24.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 15:24.59 | jelly | 3.2.46-1 looks to be the current version |
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| 15:25.34 | onethfour | how do i upgrade kernel? |
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| 15:27.27 | jelly | onethfour: much like any other package. You could patch up the whole system using |
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| 15:28.16 | jelly | onethfour: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 15:28.36 | jelly | I'd reboot first to clean up the current state |
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| 15:42.49 | allure | whats the fastest way of copying files from dir1 to dir2 on different HDs? I was thinking about rsync with no checksums... is there a better way? I will copy 1.5TB of Data... |
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| 15:46.02 | jelly | allure: how many files? |
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| 15:46.42 | jelly | allure: rsync does not use checksums when both source and destination are local anyway |
| 15:47.16 | joltcan | I like rsync, because it can continue if you want to abort by some reason, and with -a you can make sure it's an exact copy with same permissions |
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| 15:47.29 | allure | jelly, files are about 800M size |
| 15:47.33 | jelly | allure: if however there are hundreds of thousands of files, it might be faster to copy (dd) the whole filesystem over |
| 15:47.51 | allure | jelly, hmmm good idea |
| 15:47.55 | jelly | oh, don't bother with that then, just go with cp -a or rsync |
| 15:47.56 | allure | jelly, what about cpio? |
| 15:48.29 | jelly | you won't gain or lose much no matter what method you decide on |
| 15:48.56 | joltcan | use -P on rsync and youll have some entertainment as well |
| 15:49.10 | allure | cool |
| 15:49.17 | allure | thanks jelly and joltcan :) |
| 15:49.32 | jelly | cpio | cpio? tar? cp -va? rsync -Pa? whatever you do, you get a free defrag out of it ;-) |
| 15:49.55 | allure | hahaha true ;) thanks! |
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| 15:52.10 | james41382 | I have been looking into finding a good system for backing up and restoring. I installed Dejadup and performed a backup a few days ago. Can I make a bootable usb flash drive with dejadup on it so that if I had to restore from my external backup and the data on this drive wasn't accessible I could still restore or is there a better way? |
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| 15:54.10 | yctn | Hello jelly ur still around? |
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| 15:55.29 | jelly | yctn: no! |
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| 15:56.02 | jelly | has no idea who yctn is |
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| 15:56.27 | yctn | haha cool do you have that command again |
| 15:56.34 | yctn | to watch the interupts? |
| 15:57.20 | koollman | vmstat ? or something similar |
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| 16:00.37 | jelly | yctn: you're w2k3? watch -d cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 16:02.27 | Jonuz | If I have user called user am I able to log in with it if I have removed /home/user ? |
| 16:02.30 | Jonuz | with GUI |
| 16:03.37 | yctn | yes thanks you |
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| 16:04.11 | barry128 | anybody a way to get youtube running again on debian jessie? |
| 16:04.43 | barry128 | at the moment, flash, gnash and lightspark are not working for me on iceweasel 17.08 and chromium |
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| 16:05.04 | spicyfood | Hi. When I create a LVM 'volume group' on a >100GiB LUKS device on /dev/mapper/lvm, it seems only to have 20GiB of space available. Can s/o help me? |
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| 16:06.39 | jelly | spicyfood: care you show the output of "pvs"? |
| 16:06.56 | jelly | to* show |
| 16:07.23 | spicyfood | on the mapped device? |
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| 16:07.58 | somiaj | barry128: have you checked the bts, flash seems to work okay for me here on sid. There is always youtube-dl |
| 16:07.58 | spicyfood | jelly: should I run the command on the mapped device /dev/mapper/lvm ? |
| 16:08.29 | jelly | spicyfood: just run "pvs", nothing more, nothing less |
| 16:08.57 | jelly | spicyfood: preferably while the luks device is open |
| 16:09.17 | spicyfood | jelly: I see. I need to re-create the 'small' volume group |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | say what? |
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| 16:10.34 | spicyfood | i mean the volume |
| 16:10.48 | jelly | please don't create anything, just run pvs |
| 16:11.07 | spicyfood | jelly: it gives me a free space of 118.24 g |
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| 16:11.41 | jelly | spicyfood: can you show the actual output? |
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| 16:11.45 | spicyfood | jelly: it had had no output because i formated the disc and re-created the LUKS device recently |
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| 16:12.13 | jelly | ok. See you when you recreate the problem, then <g> |
| 16:12.14 | spicyfood | jelly: it is not on this device |
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| 16:12.53 | spicyfood | jelly: /dev/mapper/lvm lvm2 a-- 118.24g 118.24g |
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| 16:13.05 | spicyfood | jelly: like that |
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| 16:13.57 | jelly | spicyfood: that looks sane. You should be able to create a VG with that device and have almost 118.24GiB free in |
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| 16:14.37 | jelly | spicyfood: vgs or vgdisplay output should be able to confirm |
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| 16:15.35 | spicyfood | jelly: I run 'vgcreate lvmgroup /dev/mapper/lvm' on it now. ok? |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | spicyfood: sure |
| 16:17.25 | spicyfood | jelly: I dont know how, but now both commands you mentioned give me the right amount of free space. (after the 3rd try :) |
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| 16:18.19 | spicyfood | jelly: I used the exact same commands before to create the 'small' vg |
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| 16:19.35 | jelly | then you must have had a small PV at the time |
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| 16:21.06 | spicyfood | jelly: thank you. I will now continue setting up the os |
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| 16:24.59 | svelt | hi, i am trying to install debian to a macbook. i have debian installed to /dev/sda5 ... but i need to install grub. how can i install grub to /dev/sda5 and not the mbr? it's my understanding installing to the mbr could overwrite the boot sequence for the mac |
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| 16:26.12 | genooBeginner | GENTOO ROCKS! |
| 16:26.37 | zinx | genooBeginner: try #gentoo then? |
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| 16:32.45 | lectus | Hello! The fonts on Chromium browser look horrible. Any idea how to fix it? I already enable anti-aliasing system-wide and everything is good except chromium. |
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| 16:40.02 | musca | !anti-aliasing |
| 16:40.03 | dpkg | hmm... anti-aliasing is http://www.sawtoothdistortion.com/Articles/Anti-AliasedText.html, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/fix.html |
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| 16:41.15 | musca | brrr, the first link leads to a domain grabber. |
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| 16:44.07 | Guest2776 | Hi there, I update something today, and now I can not use my gnome-shell |
| 16:44.16 | Guest2776 | does anybody have the same situation |
| 16:44.18 | Guest2776 | ? |
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| 16:46.04 | emctoo | or anybody has any advices? |
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| 16:47.31 | musca | emctoo: which OS Version are you using? |
| 16:47.39 | emctoo | debian, testing |
| 16:48.04 | emctoo | btw, using nvidia driver, but I think it is working |
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| 16:48.09 | threexk | hello. When I do apt-get update, it complains that the device is out of space, but 'df -h' shows plenty free space on all partitions. Any way to clear the error? |
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| 16:49.58 | mumpitze1 | emctoo: ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 16:50.43 | mumpitze1 | threexk: maybe out of inodes? can you create new files under /var? |
| 16:50.56 | musca | df -i |
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| 16:51.37 | threexk | musca: IUse% 100. Is that the problem? :) |
| 16:51.55 | musca | yes, what mumpitze1 said. |
| 16:51.58 | stmiller | out of inodes? wild |
| 16:52.31 | threexk | thanks mumpitze1, musca |
| 16:52.51 | threexk | I let too many old kernels accumulate on my system, I think, each with tons of files. |
| 16:53.12 | musca | threexk: don't panic, but that'S no easy fixable problem. |
| 16:53.13 | mumpitze1 | yes. those are good candidates to remove |
| 16:53.41 | mumpitze1 | musca: it actually is. kernel modules use up tons of inodes :) |
| 16:53.42 | threexk | mumpitze1: 'apt-get purge' won't let me proceed without completing the 'apt-get install' that runs out of space |
| 16:54.09 | mumpitze1 | threexk: dpkg -r <package> will work |
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| 16:55.41 | emctoo | ok, I don't have much experience with these problem, maybe tomorrow, it's too late here, I have to go to bed |
| 16:55.43 | emctoo | bye |
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| 17:03.58 | threexk | OK, IUse% is now 24% after uninstalling kernels and kernel headers. Thanks again! |
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| 17:15.45 | jelly-home | !tell genooBeginner about debian/rules |
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| 17:20.28 | kanliot | i'm running wheezy lxde. how can i check to see if my time sync (i think ntp) is installed? dpkg -l |grep ntp ??? |
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| 17:20.46 | kanliot | i just wann know if my system is syncing to USA network time or not |
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| 17:22.45 | Xat` | There is a way to know if the server is Xen DomU ? (except kernel name and block device name) |
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| 17:29.48 | Iridos | hm, glxgears in debian now syncs to the monitor refreshrate and doesn't have an option -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark anymore |
| 17:30.01 | Iridos | so wth can one abuse as a benchmark |
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| 17:33.25 | stmiller | http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/m/mesa-demos/mesa-demos_8.0.1-2_changelog aww |
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| 17:35.17 | Iridos | aww indeed |
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| 17:36.17 | pmo | hmm weird, howcome herrie is removed from the debian repo? (jessie) |
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| 17:37.18 | jelly-home | Xat`: imvirt is just a tool that can detect a number of VM environments. There are others. |
| 17:37.26 | jelly-home | just one of* |
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| 17:38.09 | Iridos | bah, no more !why is herrie not in testing |
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| 17:38.25 | jelly-home | Iridos: what happened to it |
| 17:38.33 | Iridos | (the factoid is still there, but the service on the webpage is gone) |
| 17:38.46 | Iridos | jelly-home, see http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package= |
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| 17:44.50 | TheSin | I just updated to the lastest apache2 in testing, 2.4 and now I can't server both http on port 80 and https on port 443 I did a2enmod ssl, but I get "Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port." on port 80 with http for all sites now |
| 17:44.56 | TheSin | what am I missing? |
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| 17:45.49 | Chosi | hey everyone, i mad a terrible mistake and tried to go from etch to squeeze directly. can i do a local netinstall from a mounted netinst iso on that box? |
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| 17:54.16 | Iridos | pmo, http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/herrie/news/20110209T125952Z.html |
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| 17:54.25 | Iridos | pmo, and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612527 |
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| 18:00.37 | esaym153 | I have three ns servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf. If a query to the first ns server fails with nxdomain, what do I need to configure so that the queries will continue with the other sn servers in resolv.conf instead of just failing all together? |
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| 18:01.38 | phogg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.01 | esaym153 | phogg: yep... but the answer will be in the other 2 ns servers in resolv.conf... |
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| 18:02.17 | esaym153 | the admin here screwed up the DNS server order and won't change it back... |
| 18:02.35 | esaym153 | so dhcp hands out the servers in the wrong order... |
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| 18:03.08 | diamonds | using xfce |
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| 18:03.20 | diamonds | changed default browser to chromium-browser, want to change back to iceweasel |
| 18:03.23 | diamonds | can't figure quite how |
| 18:03.42 | diamonds | update-alternatives? .../applications/defaults.list doesn't exist, should I create it? |
| 18:03.45 | Sabbie | esaym153: why not set your network to static and put them in the right order in your config? |
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| 18:04.45 | esaym153 | Sabbie: yea but then when I change to a different network (like at home), I will have to change the stuff back to handle from dhcp.. |
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| 18:05.34 | jelly-home | !why is wine-unstable not in testing |
| 18:05.35 | dpkg | wine-unstable is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine-unstable |
| 18:07.38 | Sabbie | esaym153, I think that you can said an interface to use both static and dhcp |
| 18:07.54 | Sabbie | not sure if that would clash with your dhcp server at the office though |
| 18:07.54 | Chosi | i'd settle for a way to fix the currently broken system aswell |
| 18:07.55 | Chosi | :x |
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| 18:09.00 | Chosi | so can anyone give me directions on how to fix the currently broken package state? ("accidently" went from etch to squeeze, now there's some dependencies broken) |
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| 18:09.36 | Sabbie | esaym153, yeah that's what I thought: http://serverfault.com/questions/231748/how-do-i-configure-an-interface-to-have-both-a-dhcp-address-and-a-static-addre |
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| 18:11.14 | esaym153 | ty |
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| 18:11.58 | esaym153 | might just hardcode the dns stuff through network manager. Put I will have to change it when I go home |
| 18:12.02 | pmo | Iridos: thanks :) |
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| 18:22.31 | star314 | If I run "shorewall check" on Debian 7.1, the error "Log level INFO requires LOG Target in your kernel and iptables" appears. AFAIK this means that the kernel option CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_LOG is not set. I cannot find the module xt_LOG.ko on the standard kernel image linux-image-3.10.1. Did they change the name of the module? |
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| 18:32.34 | mumpitze1 | star314: xt_NFLOG.ko |
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| 18:34.04 | cantoma | hey guys, my debian is wheezy and I currently have a problem with wmmixer, which is related to pulseaudio. Basically, everytime I mute and unmute the sound using wmmixer the alsa master gets muted and then unmuted but the pulseaudio gets only muted. As a result, every time I mute the sound I need to open alsamixer in a console to unmute pulseaudio. This problem did not exist in squeeze since the majority of the audio application were not dependent on puls |
| 18:34.04 | cantoma | eaudio. I have done some googling for this problem but I could not find anything. If you can help, please let me know. |
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| 18:36.30 | star314 | mumpitze1: Thanks, I'll try immediately. :-) |
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| 18:40.30 | star314 | mumpitze1: Still the same error. :( "modprobe xt_NFLOG" loads the module without problem but "shorewall check" still prints "Log level INFO requires LOG Target in your kernel and iptables". |
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| 18:41.53 | thowe | Does debian work OK with laptops with synaptics touchpads? |
| 18:41.59 | star314 | looks like http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.shorewall/27896 |
| 18:42.05 | thowe | I seem to be hit or miss with Linux distros... |
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| 18:53.17 | yctn | jelly are you around? |
| 18:53.25 | jhutchins | thowe: It should be pretty reliable these days, last three I had worked fine. |
| 18:54.14 | thowe | jhutchins, OK. Downloading media. This will be the first non-BSD system I have set up in a while. Looking forward to some linux goodness \o/ |
| 18:54.19 | jhutchins | cantoma: Remove pulseaudio. |
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| 18:54.34 | yctn | Hello i got a proces 91,4 0,0 188:50.94 ksoftirqd/0 doing 91 % cpu usage what can this be ? |
| 18:54.37 | jhutchins | thowe: We usually recommend doing a netinstall. |
| 18:54.53 | thowe | I am about to burn the netinstall CD. |
| 18:55.01 | thowe | thanks for the heads-up |
| 18:55.07 | jhutchins | thowe: Xlnt. Welcome aboard! |
| 18:55.07 | cantoma | jhutchins, i need it for audacity |
| 18:55.19 | jhutchins | cantoma: I never did. |
| 18:55.24 | mumpitze1 | thowe: and depending on how you access the internet and your hardware, one with non-free firmware included |
| 18:55.47 | cantoma | jhutchins, i know that if i try to remove pulseaudio there will be loads of applications jumping out |
| 18:56.03 | cantoma | jhutchins, i can show you a printscreen of dselect |
| 18:56.11 | thowe | mumixam_, one what with non-free firmware included? I know I need the Intel 5000 stuff, but I have a wired connection at the moment. |
| 18:56.20 | thowe | er sorry that was for mumpitze1 |
| 18:56.28 | jhutchins | cantoma: That's too bad. Very little actually uses it. |
| 18:56.51 | mumpitze1 | thowe: then you are fine. use wired for installing and then getting the intel wlan firmware |
| 18:57.25 | thowe | How does one get the Intel 5000 firmware? Also, how the heck are wireless interfaces handled on linux? Under OpenBSD it's all part of the ifconfig command. |
| 18:58.12 | yctn | Hello i got a proces 91,4 0,0 188:50.94 ksoftirqd/0 doing 91 % cpu usage what can this be ? |
| 18:58.21 | mumpitze1 | thowe: you add non-free repo to your sources.list and you install the package |
| 18:58.23 | mumpitze1 | !iwlwifi |
| 18:58.23 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
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| 18:59.47 | mumpitze1 | thowe: you can use wireless-tools (iwconfig and the like) but that gets tedious. I suggest you read https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 19:01.47 | thowe | cool. I always appreciate up-to-date docs |
| 19:01.58 | cantoma | jhutchins, i have managed to remove it now, thanks for your suggestion |
| 19:02.03 | thowe | done burning |
| 19:02.15 | yctn | Hello i got a proces 91,4 0,0 188:50.94 ksoftirqd/0 doing 91 % cpu usage what can this be ? or how to find out what is doing this |
| 19:02.33 | tvm | hi, i'm trying to install virtualbox, but something is still wrong: http://pastebin.com/HZqpSgkG - i'm out of ideas already |
| 19:02.38 | cantoma | jhutchins, i wonder why pulseaudio was installed in the first place .. i cannot see any advantages |
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| 19:04.10 | yctn | Anyone? |
| 19:04.27 | tvm | yctn: it's kernel process |
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| 19:04.46 | n0c | Aug 12 13:50:10 pulsar kernel: [16442.731869] r8712u: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned. |
| 19:04.54 | n0c | what does this mean re: staging directory |
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| 19:05.02 | yctn | yeah but why is it consuming 100 % cpu |
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| 19:07.28 | thowe | wow, it asks me if I want to load the firmware from removeable media. that's cool. |
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| 19:07.28 | hstefan | Hello. Anyone ever worked with ebox/zentyal? |
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| 19:08.49 | tvm | yctn: probably too many interrupts, is the machine under load ? |
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| 19:10.53 | yctn | tvm now that i know of |
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| 19:11.02 | yctn | network traffic is around 1.5 mbps |
| 19:11.07 | tvm | yctn: that could be it |
| 19:11.10 | yctn | but i also have a high ping and time-outs |
| 19:11.27 | n0c | thowe: yeah if you wrote the install image to a usb flash drive it even sets up a partition called firmware where you can throw the stuff and it will find it on boot when debian-installer start |
| 19:11.28 | yctn | so something is wrong but i'm trying to discover what exacly is wrong |
| 19:11.28 | tvm | yctn: i'd try to put that interface down and check |
| 19:11.43 | thowe | n0c, But where do I find the files? |
| 19:11.54 | yctn | well i cant its a dedicated server so when i put the interface down the machine is unreachable |
| 19:11.59 | yctn | i'm logged in with ssh |
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| 19:12.39 | yctn | is there any other way i can test if if caused by the networking? |
| 19:12.43 | n0c | thowe: from another system |
| 19:12.51 | n0c | what kinda device is it |
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| 19:14.05 | yctn | i have like 8000 packets per second is that to extreme? |
| 19:14.08 | tvm | yctn: perhaps try to install itop, it's small package and should give you a hint |
| 19:14.11 | thowe | n0c, I found a debian file with them in there. however it doesn't seem to have all the ones listed. I'll give it a shot. |
| 19:15.01 | yctn | i runned itop but nothing happens |
| 19:15.04 | yctn | i get an emty screen |
| 19:15.16 | tvm | odd. |
| 19:15.25 | tvm | yctn: itop -a ? |
| 19:15.28 | yctn | INT NAME RATE MAX that the only thing i get |
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| 19:15.49 | yctn | i have one rule doing this 43 [ 819 1020932 ] 0 Ints/s (max: 0) |
| 19:15.55 | speechless | i tried setting up irc on someone elses pc, so they could get help with debian |
| 19:16.04 | speechless | but for some reason they are banned |
| 19:16.06 | tvm | yctn: something is probably broken |
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| 19:16.18 | speechless | i think it may be because i tried to join the channel before i registered his username |
| 19:16.19 | yctn | what are those left numbers? |
| 19:16.33 | yctn | are that the IRQ numbers? |
| 19:16.45 | tvm | yeah. |
| 19:17.12 | tvm | but you should actually see some large values in the "RATE", since they are getting queued by your kernel process |
| 19:17.12 | speechless | anyone know any moderators to help? |
| 19:17.13 | yctn | can i get information about that device |
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| 19:17.44 | yctn | it stays around this : 43 [ 819 1023266 ] 0 Ints/s (max: 0) |
| 19:17.50 | tvm | yctn: but it has zero rate |
| 19:17.56 | tvm | so it's probably not doing much |
| 19:18.21 | yctn | tvm is it possible that this is caused by a ddos attack? |
| 19:18.34 | yctn | because my ping is also high and i get time-outs |
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| 19:19.03 | tvm | yctn: well, check your network traffic then |
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| 19:19.24 | yctn | well the network traffic is around 1.5 mbps |
| 19:19.36 | yctn | on a gigabit NIC so that should not be a issue |
| 19:20.05 | tvm | well, bandwidth is only part of it |
| 19:20.38 | yctn | i got like 8 k packets per second |
| 19:20.47 | yctn | between 8 and 5 |
| 19:21.06 | tvm | so check out what are they |
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| 19:21.47 | yctn | how |
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| 19:24.04 | thowe | hm. It wouldn't detect the firmware in the USB drive I stuck in it at that point. Not sure why. |
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| 19:25.14 | yctn | how can i find out what they are ? |
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| 19:28.03 | jhutchins | yctn: tcpdump might show you. If that's not clear you can try something like Wireshark. |
| 19:28.49 | yctn | but when i use tcpdump i get way to much information or am i wrong ? |
| 19:29.22 | jhutchins | yctn: Gonna have to figure it out. Use the options to limit the dump. |
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| 19:29.50 | jhutchins | yctn: Look for a particular protocol or a particular address that's in a lot of the packets. |
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| 19:30.07 | yctn | sorry but i dont know what i'm looking for so how i can limit the dump if i dont know on what to limit |
| 19:30.26 | tvm | yctn: what jhutchins said, you might easily do a capture with wireshark and you'll see |
| 19:30.26 | jhutchins | thowe: That often doesn't work well with USB drives. |
| 19:30.56 | jhutchins | yctn: Wireshark can help decode the traffic, but it requires learning Wireshark. |
| 19:31.11 | thowe | jhutchins, Yeah, I just noticed something in the docs saying that. Thanks. |
| 19:31.38 | thowe | What comes in the "Debian desktop environment"? |
| 19:31.43 | n0c | gnome 3.4.2 |
| 19:31.45 | n0c | <3 |
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| 19:31.58 | n0c | just installed a new wheezy system today myself |
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| 19:32.51 | thowe | OK, I want X Windows, but I plan to run something more lightweight. I assume I should unselect this at install and just put that in later? |
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| 19:33.29 | yctn | lol.. |
| 19:33.35 | yctn | 723685 packets received by filter |
| 19:33.35 | yctn | 723639 packets dropped by kernel |
| 19:33.35 | yctn | 146051 packets dropped by interface is this a bad sign? |
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| 19:35.04 | thowe | How hard would it be for me to get the right xorg stuff in later if I don't put the desktop env in now? |
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| 19:35.18 | avallark | hello all :0 |
| 19:35.19 | avallark | :) |
| 19:35.30 | avallark | how do i tell if there is a new user in the system ? |
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| 19:38.18 | avallark | is there anyway, i can tell that in my computer there is a new user apart from the ones that were since my last login? |
| 19:38.40 | avallark | apart from comparing /etc/passwd of course |
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| 19:39.32 | ctmjr | avallark: who and last might be helpful |
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| 19:39.50 | Iridos | comparing /etc/passwd seems to be the way |
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| 19:40.23 | tvm | avallark: passwd -S -a |
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| 19:42.55 | avallark | tvm: what does that command do? |
| 19:43.19 | tvm | avallark: lists last password change for all users on system |
| 19:43.37 | avallark | nope, not good enough |
| 19:43.53 | avallark | i need to know if there has been any new users added. |
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| 19:46.16 | tvm | avallark: if it ain't good enough, i'm afraid that there's no better solution |
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| 19:48.56 | Will_Tampa | tvm: is there a way to seen when that user joined (or was created?) by date.... that might do it |
| 19:49.34 | tvm | Will_Tampa: i don't think so, that information isn't stored by default |
| 19:49.44 | yctn | i think i found the issue |
| 19:49.58 | tvm | unless you have old logs, auth.log might do |
| 19:50.01 | yctn | oure server is doing so much packets per second that it can get them all true the iptables rules |
| 19:50.10 | yctn | we got like 2 pages of iptables rule |
| 19:50.12 | tvm | avallark: grep for useradd/adduser in auth.log |
| 19:50.23 | yctn | and he cant get 18 k packets per second true that |
| 19:50.43 | tvm | yctn: that might be the problem |
| 19:50.43 | Will_Tampa | might mean making a script that logs when the user was added to the system & then you can parse that data out |
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| 19:52.28 | tvm | Will_Tampa: auditd daemon does that, if i remember right |
| 19:52.28 | tvm | Will_Tampa: but it's not installed by default |
| 19:53.15 | Will_Tampa | avallark: there you go.... look into that |
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| 19:54.10 | Will_Tampa | I would think that user creation is stored somewhere.... user was crerated on : etc |
| 19:54.29 | paw | is there a way in dpkg/apt, to specify, never install a certain package? |
| 19:54.32 | katr0 | Hi all, Which is the proper way of disabling root password? |
| 19:55.25 | Will_Tampa | also you might make a script that e-mails the admins when a user is created (a adduser + e-mail alert) |
| 19:55.40 | avallark | tvm: thanks mate :) helps |
| 19:55.50 | Will_Tampa | katr0: Perminatly?? |
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| 19:57.17 | katr0 | Will_Tampa: Yes, sorry I meant disable root account. |
| 19:57.56 | qman__ | katr0, there may be a better way, but I replace the password hash in /etc/shadow with a * or ! |
| 19:58.11 | qman__ | katr0, make 100% certain your sudo access works first |
| 19:58.34 | Will_Tampa | katr0: well the easy way to lock root is the change the PW to a scrambled yewhfkqlhwegfqwghrfiu2wq Pass..... problem if you need root in the future........ |
| 19:58.47 | katr0 | qman__: Thanks. |
| 19:59.12 | katr0 | Will_Tampa: If you have sudo who wants root? |
| 19:59.52 | qman__ | katr0, of note, the debian installer will set it up this way out of the box if you leave the root password prompts blank |
| 19:59.52 | Will_Tampa | if you have 20 sudo command to enter... do them as root & by pass the sudo |
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| 20:00.09 | katr0 | Will_Tampa: sudo -i |
| 20:00.52 | katr0 | qman__: I have debootstraped the system... |
| 20:00.57 | Will_Tampa | why kill the root anyhow? if the PW is secure enough..... |
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| 20:02.54 | qman__ | because secure enough now isn't secure enough forever |
| 20:03.09 | katr0 | Will_Tampa: well it's better to have the account disabled just in case ;) |
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| 20:03.45 | katr0 | Someone could change the root password, how often are you checking if the root password is changed? |
| 20:04.15 | Will_Tampa | Is there a way to make root ONLY usable on the LOCAL computer & not Net? |
| 20:04.17 | exorcist | I need help installing debian image using complete linux installer on my asus nexus 7 tablet i get permission denied error |
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| 20:04.49 | katr0 | Will_Tampa: You mean by ssh? |
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| 20:05.18 | qman__ | you can explicitly block root logins over SSH, but for all network connections in general, you cannot |
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| 20:05.31 | qman__ | see the PermitRootLogin option in sshd_config |
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| 20:05.59 | Will_Tampa | ssh? I amen Locak in fron of me... deny net access to root .... or rather full root access from the one keyboard.... any root access from the net side id denyed |
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| 20:06.17 | Will_Tampa | I mean |
| 20:06.23 | katr0 | I'm wondering how debian installed disables root. |
| 20:06.43 | Will_Tampa | I have to learn to type |
| 20:06.51 | qman__ | the debian installer does it basically the way I just explained, there is no password hash set for root |
| 20:07.21 | Will_Tampa | qman I am still learning |
| 20:07.28 | qman__ | by it not being a legitimate hash, it will never match any entered password |
| 20:07.55 | qman__ | you just need to make sure you don't configure pam to allow logins with empty password |
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| 20:09.08 | exorcist | Google saya that to root my tablet i need sdcard but i do t have sdcard slot on my tablet |
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| 20:10.56 | katr0 | qman__: So in case only keys are used there is no need for the option 'UsePAM' ? |
| 20:11.37 | qman__ | katr0, I'm pretty sure ssh uses pam to do key auth, it just has its own config for that |
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| 20:13.09 | Will_Tampa | qman__: can I /msg you? |
| 20:13.24 | qman__ | see /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 20:14.36 | testuser | hi |
| 20:14.50 | testuser | can you read this? |
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| 20:15.00 | Will_Tampa | abc456... Hiya |
| 20:15.34 | Will_Tampa | Guest73951: that was the prob... you was loging in as rooy |
| 20:15.35 | thowe | Is user management done with the tools like useradd, usermod, etc...? |
| 20:15.36 | Will_Tampa | root |
| 20:15.42 | Guest73951 | ok |
| 20:15.49 | Guest73951 | yea it was^ |
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| 20:16.06 | qman__ | thowe, yes, though the "adduser" command is usually the best way to add users, it handles a lot of parts for you |
| 20:16.36 | Will_Tampa | abc456: never log in anywhere as root.... |
| 20:16.59 | katr0 | qman__: From passwd man page: -l (it adds a ´!´ at the beginning of the password) Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key). To disable the account, administrators should use usermod --expiredate 1 (this set the account's expire date to Jan 2, 1970). |
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| 20:17.55 | katr0 | qman__: So a * or ! will not really disable the root account? |
| 20:18.02 | thowe | Once installed, is there something I should be doing to make apt update its repositories? |
| 20:18.06 | Will_Tampa | Laugh... set it to expire on 01 01 2050.... the computer will expire 1st |
| 20:18.07 | qman__ | katr0, it will disable root password authentication |
| 20:18.12 | thowe | Just want to make sure before I install any apps |
| 20:18.23 | thowe | then I think I need to apt-get install xorg or somesuch |
| 20:18.28 | qman__ | katr0, SSH key authentication would still work if it were configured, but there must be a /root/.ssh/authorized_keys file with keys in it |
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| 20:19.04 | abc456 | ok, installed the nvidia driver, now i want to change the resolution to "1920x1200", which is not available in the nvidia-settings, how can i change it manually? |
| 20:19.06 | qman__ | katr0, to my knowledge, other than those two, there are no other authentication methods available out of the box, so it is effectively disabled |
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| 20:19.41 | katr0 | qman__: True but an exploit or sth could trigger this "other" authentication method.. |
| 20:19.43 | qman__ | thowe, apt-get update |
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| 20:20.15 | qman__ | katr0, such an exploit would have to exploit pam, which it could do regardless if the account is "enabled" |
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| 20:20.31 | qman__ | katr0, you also need root to be able to function in the case of recovery |
| 20:22.44 | katr0 | qman__: Where can I find the official live cd install script? |
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| 20:25.42 | qman__ | katr0, not sure, but it's part of the debian installer |
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| 20:25.47 | xlq | How can I report dependency bugs in Sid? (Should I even?) |
| 20:26.00 | jordanm | xlq: yes, and use reportbug |
| 20:26.23 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 20:26.24 | verysoftoiletppr | how to make mv command overwrite directories? |
| 20:26.44 | xlq | verysoftoiletppr: --force ? |
| 20:26.49 | xlq | jordanm: Alright, thanks. |
| 20:26.52 | verysoftoiletppr | xlq that doesn't work |
| 20:26.54 | verysoftoiletppr | only for files |
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| 20:27.08 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: it does that by default, but it won't overrite a directory with a file |
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| 20:28.34 | katr0 | qman__: usermod -p '!' root |
| 20:28.41 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm so it will only overite a dir with a dir? |
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| 20:29.05 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: it's not really ovewriting, but yes |
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| 20:30.14 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm it's not working here.. |
| 20:30.51 | thowe | can apt show me a list of packages that are available to be installed? |
| 20:31.29 | xlq | thowe: apt-cache search '.*' |
| 20:31.31 | qman__ | thowe, that would be way too long to sift through, try "apt-cache search something" instead |
| 20:31.38 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: ah, yeah the dir must also be empty |
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| 20:31.45 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: You can mv /foo /bar, but if /foo has a mix of files and directories you can't mv /foo/* /bar/ |
| 20:31.46 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm -.- |
| 20:31.58 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Take a look at rsync. |
| 20:32.03 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, rm -rf dir2; mv dir1 dir2 |
| 20:32.07 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins rsync copies things |
| 20:32.10 | verysoftoiletppr | doesn't move them |
| 20:32.14 | qman__ | or |
| 20:32.21 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: ... and deletes things too. |
| 20:32.22 | thowe | well, I'm looking for the package name for the firmware for my intel wireless. I thought it would be called iwlwifi something |
| 20:32.23 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, rsync -avhH dir1 dir2; rm -rf dir1 |
| 20:32.29 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ I have to do that to many files |
| 20:32.39 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ that takes time and space which I don't have |
| 20:32.50 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: You could be doing it instead of irc. |
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| 20:33.09 | thowe | NM, there is apparently a single large package. |
| 20:33.09 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Or messing with things that don't work. |
| 20:33.09 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins the computer would take the time |
| 20:33.20 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, if you don't care about the files in the destination directory, you can just remove it |
| 20:33.26 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins or I could be ficing mv which is obviously incomplete |
| 20:33.39 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ how do I remove them |
| 20:33.43 | verysoftoiletppr | I don't want to remove all |
| 20:33.50 | verysoftoiletppr | only the ones to be replaced |
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| 20:34.07 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Back up and rethink what you're doing given what the tools actually do. |
| 20:34.16 | qman__ | ok, so you have two directories with contents that you want to combine? |
| 20:34.24 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Check the man pages to see how they're really supposed to work. |
| 20:34.37 | qman__ | rsync is the best tool for that job, so making space considerations for that would be the best option |
| 20:34.47 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins mv should do what I'm asking, it doesn't because the --force option is incplete |
| 20:34.58 | qman__ | you could also do some fancy work with find |
| 20:35.08 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: There are probably several ways to use find/exec to do what you want to do. |
| 20:35.10 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ rsync is slow |
| 20:35.26 | qman__ | rsync is fast enough |
| 20:35.36 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ it would take 8 hours |
| 20:35.38 | qman__ | you can't get that intelligent any faster |
| 20:35.40 | jhutchins | rsync is as fast as cp/mv. |
| 20:35.47 | verysoftoiletppr | not as fast as mv |
| 20:35.50 | verysoftoiletppr | obviously |
| 20:35.50 | qman__ | the actual copy is just as fast as mv or cp |
| 20:35.57 | verysoftoiletppr | mv doesn't copy |
| 20:35.58 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: I have databases that take in excess of 9 hours to move. |
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| 20:36.12 | thowe | It's apparently a non-free package. Do I need to add an addition repo for that? Doesn't show up in an apt-cache search |
| 20:36.15 | verysoftoiletppr | at least in the same disk |
| 20:36.23 | verysoftoiletppr | partition |
| 20:36.32 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:36.33 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 20:36.59 | jhutchins | !iwlwifi |
| 20:36.59 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 20:37.00 | qman__ | thowe, sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e "s/main$/main contrib non-free/"; apt-get update |
| 20:37.22 | jhutchins | qman__: Doesn't that remove the EOL? |
| 20:37.36 | verysoftoiletppr | I want to recurse over the output of ls -1 |
| 20:37.40 | qman__ | hmm, don't think so |
| 20:37.42 | qman__ | let met est |
| 20:37.44 | verysoftoiletppr | and delete those files which are in another dir |
| 20:37.45 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: no you don't |
| 20:37.53 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: find is your tool. |
| 20:37.57 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 20:38.11 | jordanm | verysoftoiletppr: for f in *; do ...; done |
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| 20:38.49 | verysoftoiletppr | jordanm nice |
| 20:38.54 | qman__ | jhutchins, nope, doesn't remove the EOL |
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| 20:39.41 | thowe | qman__, Awesome. Firmware installed. Now I have to figure out how to make debian use it... |
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| 20:39.48 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, see also https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmywiki.wooledge.org%2FUsingFind&ei=DkgJUuTuFITw2gWyw4CgDg&usg=AFQjCNFXaINz6yBHGsL91n1bLsewWlDEHQ&sig2=rrsNO2Sg5EPFIyi6VC2Nug |
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| 20:39.55 | qman__ | ugh |
| 20:40.04 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, see also: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 20:40.40 | thowe | can firmware be loaded without rebooting? |
| 20:40.42 | AciD` | using the `cp debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso /dev/sdd` cmdline, I created a live debian use key, but using the graphical installer gets me stucked at the step "detect and mount CD" (which should be a pb as I'm on a usb drive..). The web isn't really helping, any thoughts on that ? |
| 20:40.55 | AciD` | *shouldn't |
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| 20:41.57 | qman__ | thowe, if you know which module it is giving you problems, you can "modprobe -r module; modprobe module" |
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| 20:42.57 | verysoftoiletppr | qman__ I like find, just don't understand the exec part.. is weird |
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| 20:43.42 | qman__ | verysoftoiletppr, the exec part is pretty simple, you just "exec somecommand {} \;", where {} is the object find is parsing through, and \; ends the command you want to run |
| 20:44.07 | qman__ | you have to escape the ; so it gets passed to find instead of parsed by the shell |
| 20:44.32 | thowe | qman__, hot damn, that did it. |
| 20:44.40 | snollux | So I'm trying to turn this kind of weird package I made (basically a lone C file, plus a few python scripts and a bash script to move things and set permissions) into a legit .deb package. How can I do that? I'm trying to figure this stuff out, and what should be done in preinstall/otherwise, but I' feel a bit lost. |
| 20:44.47 | snollux | Here's the current "install" script: http://pastebin.com/QeP7Fc8P |
| 20:45.29 | s0m3body | How do I install an OS through the cli of a server's recovery console? |
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| 20:45.39 | snollux | basically, I feel a bit confused by some of the tutorials saying that you should replicate the target filesystem within the folder that will become the .deb, i.e. if you install to (/etc) then you make a directory called /etc in your package |
| 20:45.42 | AciD` | ok, I found a way to make it work ; use the "live" option, not the "graphical installer" one. I think this is a bug to misslead people like that... |
| 20:46.14 | snollux | so do I do that for every directory? I'm moving some things to /lib, some to /etc, and so on. |
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| 20:47.31 | qman__ | snollux, yes |
| 20:47.38 | firefoxx | So I have this issue with a debian game server. A lot of people can connect fine, but users from a certain network are getting tcp connection resets. Is there any way I can make debian more forgiving with the connection w/o altering the systems there? |
| 20:48.25 | snollux | qman__: and would that install script I pasted become a RULES file, or would it be better as a preinstall/postinstall script? In a way, it _is_ the install right now |
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| 20:49.01 | qman__ | snollux, it would be split up |
| 20:49.20 | qman__ | snollux, your permission and directory and file settings would be part of the package info, but your configure.py might have to be executed postinstall |
| 20:49.39 | snollux | that makes sense |
| 20:50.01 | ghostlines | anyone know how to double check if a disk is operating in ahci mode? |
| 20:50.08 | snollux | and by "part of the package info" you mean in "RULES" ? or somewhere else |
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| 20:51.41 | qman__ | snollux, pretty sure it's part of the rules, this might be helpful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3214319/i-need-my-debian-rules-file-to-simply-copy-files-to-its-target |
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| 20:52.06 | s0m3body | How do I install Debian Server over SSH through an image file? |
| 20:54.23 | thowe | OK, I think I'm smitten. It was dead simple to get an openbox desktop going and I have never run debian before. I'm quite happy. |
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| 20:55.28 | snollux | I gotcha. I wonder if that would let me still do the chmods and whatnot though, qman__ |
| 20:55.58 | qman__ | snollux, you'd set your files to already have those permissions in the package to avoid some of it |
| 20:56.06 | qman__ | the only things that would have to be set dynamically are owners |
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| 20:56.28 | snollux | good idea |
| 20:56.40 | qman__ | which I'm sure there is a function for, you could refer to some other package which sets up a new user |
| 20:57.00 | qman__ | like apache, though that one might be a bit too complex to read through |
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| 21:03.48 | firefoxx | Does anyone know if increasing the keep alive time for ipv4 will help people with crappier internet stay connect via tcp to the server? |
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| 21:06.03 | thowe | What is the firefox package called? |
| 21:06.28 | zykotick9 | thowe: iceweasel |
| 21:06.49 | thowe | normal plugins work with that? That's a new one on me. |
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| 21:09.01 | ghostlines | firefoxx, what makes you think it'll do that. I don't think it would help with that though |
| 21:09.17 | s0m3body | I need some help with cfdisk |
| 21:09.25 | musca | thowe: iceweasel is firefox without autoupdate and with a new logo. some plugins are also packaged in debian. |
| 21:09.49 | Nach0z_ | iceweasel is debian's way of getting around licensing issues >___> |
| 21:09.52 | snollux | it's a philosophical / political difference over trademarks, etc |
| 21:09.54 | Nach0z_ | j/s |
| 21:10.05 | jordanm | Nach0z_: trademark, not licensing |
| 21:10.07 | snollux | also legal reasons |
| 21:10.11 | s0m3body | How do you create a partition from multiple disks on cfdisk? |
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| 21:10.38 | jordanm | s0m3body: you can't create a partition that spans multiple disks without RAID or LVM |
| 21:11.17 | s0m3body | jordanm: Hm, and how would I create a raid 0 volume after OS install? I have access to a recovery OS that does not touch the hard disks |
| 21:11.25 | musca | !md |
| 21:11.25 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 21:11.28 | musca | !lvm2 |
| 21:11.29 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:11.29 | thowe | musca, Ah, I see. so same code without brnading and such... |
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| 21:12.04 | s0m3body | musca: I know what they are, but how do you set up a raid (or LVM) volume after system install? |
| 21:12.10 | zykotick9 | !tell thowe about why iceweasel |
| 21:12.16 | musca | thowe: yes, and you update it with apt |
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| 21:13.22 | thowe | well cheers to whoever did that work! |
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| 21:21.05 | thowe | what do I need to install in order to mount a volume from my nfs server? So I just need nfs client stuff... |
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| 21:22.09 | zykotick9 | thowe: nfs-common i believe |
| 21:22.48 | thowe | holy crap, I love the iceweasel art :) |
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| 21:27.04 | daveee123 | an application compiled from source twice on the same computer. only works correctly from one of the sources. any ideas why this is the case? |
| 21:27.08 | s0m3body | what's the difference between a primary and logical partition? |
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| 21:27.27 | s0m3body | daveee123: permissions? |
| 21:27.52 | zykotick9 | s0m3body: MSDOS partitioning is limited to 4 primary partitions. using extended (with logical partitions inside) work around that limitation. |
| 21:28.04 | s0m3body | hm |
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| 21:28.20 | barry128 | hi there, running debian jessie here and flash, gnash and lightspark wont work with chromium and iceweasel 17.08, any ideas to get youtube working again? |
| 21:28.21 | s0m3body | and if I have two drives setup on a raid 0, which type of partition should I use? |
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| 21:28.27 | s0m3body | and what kind of file system? |
| 21:28.30 | s0m3body | zykotick9: ^^ |
| 21:28.53 | s0m3body | barry128: are you installing the right flash package? |
| 21:28.55 | zykotick9 | s0m3body: ? no idea - i don't use RAID myself... good luck. |
| 21:29.08 | kanliot | what size drives and are they ssd? |
| 21:29.19 | s0m3body | 2TB each, and nope |
| 21:29.25 | s0m3body | 2*2TB * |
| 21:29.27 | d3lxa | I cannot start postgresql due to the starting script (bugged?), tried to purge and reinstall: http://sprunge.us/ZhGV any idea? |
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| 21:29.47 | barry128 | yes, iwas running flash nonfree, manually updated by cmd line, but it stopped working in chromium and iceweasel |
| 21:29.57 | barry128 | so i tried gnash and lightspark today |
| 21:29.57 | daveee123 | s0m3body: they look like they have the same permissions |
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| 21:30.10 | dokma | on a compromised debian web server something modifies fstab each time I add a new website |
| 21:30.20 | s0m3body | kanliot: I did this: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup#RAID-0 |
| 21:30.22 | dokma | what would be a good way to gather info on what is doing it? |
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| 21:30.39 | dokma | is there some way to monitor the file and detect which process is doing it? |
| 21:30.45 | barry128 | gnash has the error occurred... again, blocking cookies etc did not work, lightspark also does not work properly with youtube |
| 21:31.05 | d3lxa | dokma: did you try inotify or lsof or fuser? |
| 21:32.02 | dokma | don't think lsof would work |
| 21:32.07 | dokma | or fuser |
| 21:32.15 | dokma | it's something that get's executed to quick |
| 21:32.21 | kanliot | that's really big for RAID. is RAID necessary? you can use 1 big xfs or btrfs parition, or 2 paritions if you have want a home partition |
| 21:32.21 | dokma | probably inotify would do it |
| 21:33.00 | s0m3body | kanliot: is it? Basically what I need is for it all to look like one folder.. Could be like 1 50GB / partition, and the rest in /home.. |
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| 21:33.21 | s0m3body | kanliot: but the issue is that it's in a datacenter (but I do have recovery access) |
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| 21:34.46 | kanliot | s0m3body, no idea why you are using raid 0, how important is your data? |
| 21:35.38 | kanliot | and if it's a server, you dont need a partition for home, do you? |
| 21:35.40 | s0m3body | kanliot: Not extremely, I mean.. I could survive if it was lost, but I need this to work as a 4TB server.. |
| 21:35.48 | s0m3body | kanliot: Nope |
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| 21:36.09 | kanliot | jsut 2 partitions then / and swap |
| 21:36.26 | s0m3body | and how do I do that? |
| 21:36.26 | s0m3body | :p |
| 21:36.36 | kanliot | installer, right? |
| 21:36.46 | s0m3body | it's in a datacenter |
| 21:37.02 | s0m3body | I could use deboostrap |
| 21:39.42 | s0m3body | pokes kanliot |
| 21:40.16 | kanliot | i donno man |
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| 21:40.45 | s0m3body | :? |
| 21:40.54 | s0m3body | pastebins the setup |
| 21:41.05 | thowe | so, I don't seem to have any sound. Is it Pulseaudio I should be investigating? |
| 21:41.32 | s0m3body | kanliot: http://pastebin.com/LM3xviTq |
| 21:41.57 | s0m3body | thowe: that or your speakers |
| 21:42.34 | thowe | failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse' |
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| 21:43.08 | barry128 | at least minitube is working :) |
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| 21:43.29 | barry128 | crazy difficult gui but it works |
| 21:43.48 | s0m3body | kanliot: I don't know what to do.. the datacenter doesn't offer raid0 |
| 21:44.00 | s0m3body | kanliot: is there any way I could turn raid 0 into raid1? |
| 21:44.08 | s0m3body | erm, vice versa * |
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| 21:44.46 | fartface | If I start a RAID5 MDADM array with 3 devices, and want to grow it later with another two devices, is the array inaccessible during the time it is being rebuilt, or just degraded? |
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| 21:45.17 | barry128 | nobody here with flash trouble? |
| 21:45.19 | s0m3body | fartface: if you are just adding the two other servers? i |
| 21:45.29 | s0m3body | I'd assume it would be inaccessible |
| 21:45.43 | kanliot | s0m3body, do you have gdisk? |
| 21:45.49 | s0m3body | the package? |
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| 21:46.06 | kanliot | doesn't matter |
| 21:46.09 | s0m3body | I do now |
| 21:46.10 | s0m3body | oh |
| 21:46.11 | s0m3body | :/ |
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| 21:47.12 | fartface | s0m3body: Ah, just ran a search, turns out it's accessible the whole time. Nice. |
| 21:47.39 | s0m3body | fartface: :D good to know |
| 21:49.25 | s0m3body | kanliot: I've been trying to do this for a week now :/ |
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| 21:52.16 | thowe | is there a way to check volume from the command line? Pulse/mplayer thinkgs it is playing, but I have no sound. |
| 21:52.28 | armin | thowe: alsamixer |
| 21:52.50 | armin | thowe: and if you're using pulseaudio check out ponymix. |
| 21:53.02 | kanliot | s0m3body, can you link the setup guide for your datacenter? i'll look at it |
| 21:53.13 | armin | thowe: if you indeed need to change it from the commandline, or from a script, check out amixer. |
| 21:53.16 | s0m3body | kanliot: which setup guide? |
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| 21:53.35 | armin | thowe: hope that helps :) |
| 21:53.46 | s0m3body | kanliot: didn't come with one, but I found this online: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup#RAID-0 then I thought I could just format it and debootstrap it: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 21:54.13 | kanliot | s0m3body, did they just turn it on and give you an ip address? i dont understand |
| 21:54.14 | s0m3body | kanliot: because I do have recovery access (like KVM, but no cli only) |
| 21:54.21 | thowe | will an ALSO tool change this for pulse? |
| 21:54.29 | thowe | I don't really get how they all work. |
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| 21:55.09 | armin | thowe: i'm not into poettering-ware. not sure. i only know pavucontrol (X) and ponymix (non-X) exist for pulseaudio. |
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| 21:55.13 | thowe | well, wait. My log says it can't talk to dbus... |
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| 21:55.40 | thowe | is dbus required, or can I ignore that? |
| 21:56.04 | s0m3body | kanliot: http://pastebin.com/vUCXGkvD |
| 21:57.16 | grieg | Hello, people. thanks to you my network works fine now. A new question tho: I have a Slim login manager (only slim) and it does not start yet. where do i look for settings to make it start? |
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| 21:59.01 | kanliot | s0m3body, if you give me your unmetered login i will set it up 4 u |
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| 22:02.19 | thowe | apt can't find amixer, ponymix, or alsamixer |
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| 22:03.43 | mtn | thowe: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 22:05.29 | pederindi | ponymix haha, nice name |
| 22:05.45 | dokma | ok, I found out that php is modifying my fstab when I add a new site |
| 22:06.51 | dokma | how would I nail down which php script is doing it? |
| 22:06.52 | mtn | thowe: http://packages.debian.org will be really useful, as well. |
| 22:06.52 | thowe | I installed veromix, but it wouldn't run because it couldn't find something to do with gtk. Dependency ishue in package? |
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| 22:06.52 | thowe | but how do I tell if my sound card is being used correctly? |
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| 22:06.52 | thowe | mplayer seems to want to use pulse. |
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| 22:14.54 | d3lxa | I found a bug in debian with posgresql 9.1+134wheezy3, can anyone confirm/negate http://sprunge.us/ZhGV ? |
| 22:15.08 | thowe | OK, so I found amixer in alsa-tools and managed to "amixer set Master on" and "amixer set Master 50%" |
| 22:15.21 | thowe | \o/ |
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| 22:15.32 | thowe | now I have musics! |
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| 22:17.28 | epsilon | thowe: do you know alsamixer? |
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| 22:19.38 | thowe | I never used any linux audio stuff before. I'm from OpenBSD land. they have their own audio server that is kind of nice. |
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| 22:20.00 | mtn | thowe: from a land far far away, huh? |
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| 22:20.20 | thowe | It all looks the same once openbox is up and running... |
| 22:20.33 | thowe | except for the iceweasel logo :) |
| 22:20.48 | mischief | what made you come from openbsd? |
| 22:20.55 | adamsilver1 | how do i determine which driver i should place on firmware folder to have wifi access when installing debian? |
| 22:21.03 | thowe | I do need some kind of graphical volume control, though... |
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| 22:21.21 | thowe | I always used this old thing called aumix |
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| 22:22.12 | thowe | Heh, I apparenlty installed alsamixer. it's a terminal app =] |
| 22:23.01 | thowe | laptop speakers are not great... |
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| 22:39.27 | Roenie | having some trouble getting my raid 1 array back up after /dev/sdc failed temporarily due to a problem with the sata cable |
| 22:39.56 | Roenie | i also have a raid 0 array which includes /dev/sdc2 and that is up and running fine now |
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| 22:41.11 | Roenie | for some reason, when i do: mdadm -A --uuid=foo /dev/md0 this happens: |
| 22:41.23 | Roenie | mdadm: ignoring /dev/sdc1 as it reports /dev/sdb1 as failed |
| 22:41.23 | Roenie | mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2). |
| 22:41.40 | Roenie | (this is my raid 1) |
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| 22:42.38 | Roenie | which is funny because sdc is the drive that failed |
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| 22:43.22 | Roenie | the problem with mdadm: ignoring /dev/sdc1 as it reports /dev/sdb1 as failed |
| 22:43.34 | Roenie | , is that i can't do anything to get around that? |
| 22:44.05 | dokma | hmmmm apparently I wasn't hacked after all |
| 22:44.05 | Roenie | if sdc is telling mdadm that sdb has failed, it needs to stfu and do as its told because that is a lie |
| 22:44.25 | dokma | it seems ispconfig is doing some dumb mount bind that seemed like a hack to me.... |
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| 22:46.56 | chrisirc | Hello. Is there any way to search over multiple lines in "less"? |
| 22:47.13 | chrisirc | i.e. using a regex that contains \n or so |
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| 22:47.38 | chrisirc | Well, using \n always fails, but perhaps there's another way? |
| 22:48.07 | chrisirc | (Actually \n finds n, not the newline character) |
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| 22:49.06 | mischief | try \\n? or \\\n? :P |
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| 22:59.31 | thowe | So, is there a way to find dependencies that are no longer needed with apt? For example, if something is installed, installs 10 dependencies, and then you remove that package, you still have 10 things installed that you don't need. Is there an apt for that? :P |
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| 23:00.07 | epsilon | apt-get autoremove |
| 23:00.52 | thowe | Debian, where have you been all my life... |
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| 23:02.16 | Nik05 | thowe and when using aptitude: aptitude install |
| 23:02.24 | Nik05 | should do the same |
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| 23:07.31 | thowe | aptitude install removes dependencies? |
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| 23:12.39 | moondog | thowe: I feel your joy |
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| 23:14.41 | moondog | I'm in love with crunchbang |
| 23:14.55 | Th0masR0ss | !crunchbang |
| 23:14.55 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 23:15.22 | moondog | Th0masR0ss: thank you :) |
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| 23:16.29 | moondog | Th0masR0ss: I thought most of anything regarding debian also applies to crunchbang... not so? |
| 23:17.04 | moondog | however, I'm not looking for support |
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| 23:17.26 | pederindi | !love |
| 23:17.26 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
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| 23:17.44 | Th0masR0ss | moondog: crunchbang != Debian. Please go to #crunchbang. See also <based on Debian> |
| 23:18.12 | moondog | alrighty then |
| 23:18.24 | dioz | !hate |
| 23:18.25 | dpkg | well, hate is the opposite of love (see <love>) |
| 23:18.56 | Th0masR0ss | !bang |
| 23:18.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bang is '!'. |
| 23:19.18 | pederindi | !about |
| 23:19.19 | dpkg | Enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 23:19.35 | Th0masR0ss | !msg the bot |
| 23:19.35 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 23:21.33 | H4x012 | hi guys, how can i enable wget for user? |
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| 23:22.36 | grieg | manjaro |
| 23:22.56 | Th0masR0ss | grieg: yes? |
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| 23:23.05 | Th0masR0ss | !tell grieg about manjaro |
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| 23:25.55 | moondog | Th0masR0ss: question... if I wanted to move from crunchbang to debian proper... I would remove the crunchbang repository from sources.list and issue a few apt-get commands... and walla? |
| 23:26.08 | moondog | that is a debian question right? |
| 23:26.48 | zinx | moondog: i highly suspect your best bet is backing up your data, installing debian from scratch, then grabbing your data from the backup :/ |
| 23:26.57 | moondog | alrighty |
| 23:27.01 | zinx | moondog: changing distributions like that is extremely unlikely to work |
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| 23:27.21 | moondog | if my home is a separate partition... I can just leave home intact and wipe root and boot? |
| 23:27.25 | zinx | moondog: unless said distribution explicitly supports it... in which case, it's better to ask that distro |
| 23:27.37 | moondog | zinx: thank you |
| 23:27.51 | zinx | moondog: yeah, you can leave home in-tact, i would still back up thouh |
| 23:28.41 | moondog | although I have occasionally run into trouble distro-hopping and trying to keep home the same... some configs and dot files are not that compatible between distros it seems |
| 23:28.52 | thowe | installing libreoffice-java-common doesn't seem to actually install a JRE. What JDK/JRE should I install? |
| 23:28.53 | H4x012 | hi guys, how can i enable wget for user? |
| 23:28.59 | H4x012 | plz anyone can help me |
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| 23:29.24 | zykotick9 | H4x012: ahhh, install the wget package... done. |
| 23:29.32 | H4x012 | i have it dear |
| 23:29.40 | H4x012 | i add new user |
| 23:29.46 | H4x012 | and want to give wget access |
| 23:30.06 | derillium | where is wget binary? |
| 23:30.10 | thowe | why would a new user not be able to use wget? |
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| 23:31.36 | H4x012 | ./usr/bin/wget |
| 23:31.51 | H4x012 | thowe i donno |
| 23:32.00 | H4x012 | premission denied |
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| 23:32.23 | H4x012 | i installed lshell and added new user to it |
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| 23:32.28 | H4x012 | and give wget on it |
| 23:32.32 | H4x012 | but stil doesnt work |
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| 23:33.07 | Sir_Rai | you might have changed the permissions of /var/www |
| 23:33.20 | H4x012 | i dont need it for /var/www |
| 23:33.25 | H4x012 | i need it for /home/user |
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| 23:33.35 | thowe | Ah, this is an lshell question then, not a Debian question |
| 23:34.11 | thowe | lshell is all about restricting access to things. |
| 23:34.24 | thowe | You probably need to read up on lshell. I have never used it. |
| 23:34.25 | H4x012 | thowe i told you before dear |
| 23:34.37 | H4x012 | i addess user in debian with sudo access |
| 23:34.40 | H4x012 | doesnt work |
| 23:34.45 | H4x012 | then i tried lshell |
| 23:34.48 | H4x012 | same issue |
| 23:34.58 | H4x012 | added* |
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| 23:37.25 | thowe | what was the users original shell? |
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| 23:38.38 | H4x012 | i tried with /bin/bash |
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| 23:40.19 | darsie | found it |
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| 23:41.31 | abc457 | hi |
| 23:41.36 | thowe | hi |
| 23:41.48 | abc457 | how can i manually change the resolution in the xorg.conf? |
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| 23:42.12 | Sir_Rai | manually? |
| 23:42.43 | thowe | abc457, do you have an older monitor, like a CRT? |
| 23:42.45 | abc457 | yes, per hand |
| 23:42.49 | abc457 | no |
| 23:42.56 | abc457 | a newer tv monitor |
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| 23:43.12 | thowe | Do you have documentation showing the resolutions your monitor supports? |
| 23:43.57 | H4x012 | thowe i found the solution |
| 23:44.04 | abc457 | in the nvidia-settings i cant change the resolution to the resolution i need but i know that the monitor supports it |
| 23:44.10 | H4x012 | i have to chmod /usr/bin/wget to 755 |
| 23:44.14 | H4x012 | or chmod o+x /usr/bin/wget |
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| 23:46.14 | themill | If wget doesn't already have those permissions then you have other problems |
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| 23:46.53 | H4x012 | ook |
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| 23:48.04 | GABIREL | Linux和debian有什么关系吗 |
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| 23:48.40 | GABIREL | Need I speak English? |
| 23:48.58 | SPF | !cn |
| 23:48.58 | dpkg | 如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 23:49.19 | thowe | do tell |
| 23:49.26 | GABIREL | OK! |
| 23:52.20 | abc457 | no one a idea? |
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| 23:54.37 | frustrum | ls |
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| 23:55.46 | fasdfea | sorry for asking this here, but community of this channel seems helpful: hi... i have to buy new notebook, im low on budget and struggling with choosing: new, consumer grade Toshiba or Lenovo OR 3 years old HP Elitebook with i5 in good shape... what would YOU choose for things you do? |
| 23:55.57 | Will_Tampa | Just what we need.... Chineese in an english chan |
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| 23:58.32 | gnarface | abc457: you said you don't have an xorg.conf yet, and you're using the nvidia official binary gunk drivers? if you don't actually know how to create an xorg.conf by hand, they should come with a tool that will help you generate one that should be at least a suitable starting point. as thowe inferred to you earlier though, you probably DO need to find your monitor manual; auto-detection in Xorg mostly fails on CRTs and non-computer display types, so the |
| 23:58.32 | gnarface | re is specific information from the manual you'll need. |
| 23:59.31 | gnarface | abc457: if you don't still have the manual (or never had it) look on the back of the display for a model # and manufacturer name, and google it (there are usually manuals in pdf form floating around somewhere) |
| 23:59.41 | qman__ | it also frequently fails when using an LCD over VGA |
| 23:59.48 | abc457 | i have a xorg.conf |
| 23:59.51 | qman__ | it's only really reliable on digital connections like DVI and HDMI |
