| 00:01.06 | kanliot | mate is in jessie |
| 00:01.25 | OldParr | kanliot: is jessie a repo? |
| 00:01.51 | kanliot | no, it's the testing version of debian |
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| 00:02.08 | kanliot | although i am using stable lxde here |
| 00:02.26 | OldParr | kanliot: te word "testing" scares |
| 00:02.43 | kanliot | why not "test" it |
| 00:02.45 | kanliot | lol |
| 00:03.02 | OldParr | "test" it sounds better |
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| 00:40.33 | carbohydrate | hahaha you fucking losers |
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| 01:03.28 | prppedro | Heey... Can somebody help me with an exotic plataform problem? |
| 01:04.04 | jayw8ch | whenever attempting to install a new package or upgrade apckages I am running into an issue with debconf and python saying there is no such file or directory as -. thereis a paste of the output at http://sprunge.us/LjLA if anyone has an idea what could be the fix for it |
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| 01:06.15 | gusnan | jayw8ch, this might be it: http://superuser.com/questions/247382/debian-squezee-upgrade-and-python-imaging-problem |
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| 01:06.49 | jayw8ch | hm I'm running squeeze, it could be; I'll check it out thanks |
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| 01:10.31 | mumpitzel | !tell prppedro about anyone |
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| 01:11.32 | prppedro | Well, people... I'm trying to run Debian Wheezy 7.1 for S/390 in my Hercules Emulator. It's alright with the emulator, it runs in Windows, starts up fine with no CTC or LCS errors, using the config file as follow: http://pastebin.com/tcNQ0FhE. However, when I IPL D:\d390.ins (Using the CD1), it does boot up and asks me what network interface to use. I select CTC, but then it says there's no CTC or ESCON interfaces ever connected to the machine. But it's |
| 01:11.32 | prppedro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.17 | themill | jayw8ch: do you have a mixture of lenny and squeeze there? That's a debian extension to pycompile to handle long file lists that has been around for a very long time |
| 01:15.31 | jayw8ch | themill: no it was a fresh install of squeeze so thats not the issue |
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| 01:16.14 | themill | well that debconf package is from wheezy, so it's not just an installation of squeeze |
| 01:16.27 | jayw8ch | hm wth |
| 01:16.48 | jayw8ch | it's on a vps and I used their image so i suppose they could have just called it squeeze and had it been an upgrade |
| 01:16.51 | jayw8ch | hmm |
| 01:16.56 | themill | jayw8ch: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy apt dpkg libc6 python debconf; apt-cache policy"? |
| 01:17.07 | jayw8ch | yep sec |
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| 01:17.14 | themill | Well wheezy doesn't have python2.5 either ;) |
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| 01:18.21 | jayw8ch | ha http://sprunge.us/OhQG there you go |
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| 01:19.23 | themill | hmm... so where did this debconf package come from -- did you manually dpkg -i it? or is this a broken image from day 1? |
| 01:20.13 | themill | (and if you're going to cluebat your provider, please ask them to use a closer mirror than ftp.debian.org) |
| 01:20.23 | jayw8ch | I've no idea where it came from I've had the server for like 2 years and it's been fine; I ran aptitude upgrade 2 or 3 weeks ago and it worked, went to install a pacvkage today and it failed with this |
| 01:20.25 | prppedro | themill: I'm sorry for bothering you with these message that somewhat breaks the channel rules, but, excuse me, in this channel, there are any user that knows something in S/390 (IBM Mainframe) plataform? Thanks! |
| 01:21.04 | jayw8ch | ugh I never even noticed that it was hitting the main server I'll have to edit it |
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| 01:21.22 | themill | jayw8ch: it's not even the "main server" it's just another (overworked) mirror |
| 01:21.30 | jayw8ch | ah |
| 01:21.57 | themill | prppedro: I suspect you'd need to contact the s390 porters' mailing list as they don't seem to have an irc presence |
| 01:21.57 | jayw8ch | themill: I suspect it may have been something with the last upgrade I think I am going to reimage from one of my backups from prior to that and see if it works |
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| 01:22.51 | themill | jayw8ch: apt doesn't know a source for that package so either sources.list was changed and changed back, or the package was downloaded and then installed with dpkg -i |
| 01:22.55 | themill | dpkg: tell jayw8ch about not available |
| 01:23.13 | jayw8ch | hmmm |
| 01:23.53 | jayw8ch | I suppose it's possible they edited the sources.list; oif thats the case is there anyway to fix it other than going from backup or reinstallation? |
| 01:25.44 | themill | jayw8ch: that may provide you with more packages to puzzle over |
| 01:25.44 | prppedro | themill: hmmm... Thanks, I'll try to mail them. It's a complex problem and may be it's better deal with it via email. Thanks, again. |
| 01:25.45 | themill | prppedro: http://www.debian.org/ports/s390/ |
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| 01:25.56 | themill | is it just the one package? |
| 01:26.43 | jayw8ch | themill: welp I have been meaning to get up to date with stable anyway so I guess I have an excuse now ;p thanks for the help |
| 01:28.15 | mumpitze1 | jayw8ch: what kernel does your VPS run? you might not be able to run debian wheezy |
| 01:28.27 | themill | yeah, completing the upgrade to wheezy would be the other option rather than trying to downgrade debconf. squeeze->wheezy is a reasonably difficult upgrade for apt at the best of times however... it will struggle even more if it's starting off from an inconsistent state. |
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| 01:30.29 | jayw8ch | themill: I figured as mcuh I will have to see if they have an image for wheezy now if not I'll figure something out |
| 01:30.38 | jayw8ch | mumpitze1: good question |
| 01:30.50 | themill | jayw8ch: what's "uname -r" on that machine? |
| 01:31.16 | jayw8ch | themill: 3.2.0-042stab076.8 |
| 01:31.45 | mumpitze1 | then you should be fine. not a debian kernel but it's the same kernel version as wheezy runs by default |
| 01:32.10 | jayw8ch | ah ok cool |
| 01:32.36 | jayw8ch | yea they have images for 6.0 and 7.0 so ok I can make this happen |
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| 01:32.43 | jayw8ch | thanks to both of you |
| 01:32.53 | themill | that's an openvz kernel of some description isn't it? I know debian's kernels aren't supporting openvz any more but userspace should be happy |
| 01:33.32 | jayw8ch | yea it's openvz |
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| 01:39.22 | hesco | ?dist-upgrade |
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| 01:43.13 | ksk | jayw8ch: arent you lying? IMHO there is not 3.2 based openvz kernel :> |
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| 01:47.57 | jmcnaught | i agree with ksk, i don't think there's an openvz kernel newer than 2.6.32 |
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| 01:48.45 | jmcnaught | i figured this out when i tried to upgrade an openvz VPS i have from squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:51.15 | ksk | (thats because openvz is based on rhel6) - but kinda offtopic in here |
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| 01:58.14 | themill | yeah, I read comments from hosters saying that they are forging uname -r "to support debian and ubuntu installation". I can't imagine that goes very well, really. |
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| 01:59.55 | ksk | ah okay. interesting |
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| 02:00.32 | ksk | im running a bunch of wheezys and stuff inside openvz and never had problems (tough i dont use every package available..) |
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| 02:36.22 | ac_slater | hey guys, with archlinux, my non-login shells invoke ~/.bash_profile ... and in debian this is not the case. Is this normal? |
| 02:37.31 | themill | Do you mean login/non-login or interactive/non-interactive here? |
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| 02:38.05 | ac_slater | themill: I can confirm my deb boxes will load ~/.bash_profile with login shells, but not with interactive shells |
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| 02:39.42 | themill | yes, that's the correct behaviour according to INVOCATION in bash(1) |
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| 02:40.04 | ac_slater | it might matter than with Archlinux, my login manager, SLiM spawns a controlling login shell (probably executing .bash_profile), whereas my debian and ubuntu boxes use gdm and lightdm |
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| 02:40.24 | sioux_ | hi, i have some archive with 15.000lines and i have lines after the word "Importa‡Æo" jump a the continuous text in another line. e.g. http://paste.debian.net/24835/ How can i delete this tabspaces with awk or sed? |
| 02:43.43 | themill | ac_slater: I thought (most of) the DMs in debian still created a login shell. I've seen all manner of strange things in .bashrc to source .bash_profile from interactive non-login shells and people configuring their terminals to always create login shells to work around the shells fairly odd start-up script layout |
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| 02:46.23 | ac_slater | themill: thanks for the input. I did just confirm that lightdm in ubuntu does not spawn a login shell, leaving me to use ~/.profile. But with debian, gdm3 does spawn a login shell, but the version of lightdm in the wheezy repos does not (like the ubuntu version) |
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| 02:47.44 | ac_slater | phew, lots of scripting around this. Or setting up /etc/* versions. Thanks themill |
| 02:48.44 | themill | !xsession |
| 02:48.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 02:48.50 | themill | just a thought |
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| 03:14.48 | baegle | So, I'm looking to install a particular package from unstable into debian stable. It appears it depends on a later version of libc6. That's pretty much a non-starter right? I'd be better off compiling from the tarball against the stable version of libc6? |
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| 03:15.41 | themill | baegle: which package? |
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| 03:15.47 | baegle | nodejs |
| 03:16.20 | themill | I suspect you might have trouble compiling it from source on wheezy |
| 03:16.41 | baegle | make succeeded just fine |
| 03:17.05 | themill | ok. It claims to need newer versions of libv8 than is available in wheezy |
| 03:18.02 | baegle | looks like it ships with |
| 03:18.06 | themill | unless your local compilation used an embedded copy of libv8. |
| 03:18.23 | themill | yuck |
| 03:18.24 | baegle | the tarball/deps/ contains: cares http_parser npm openssl uv v8 zlib |
| 03:19.19 | themill | baegle: you might want to investigate checkinstall or stow to make installing and removing your locally compiled version easier |
| 03:19.33 | baegle | so it would appear I built a newer version of libv8 when building from nodejs source |
| 03:20.01 | baegle | themill: I was trying to figure out what to do. Figured I needed to make it into a deb. Is that not the case? |
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| 03:20.45 | themill | baegle: stow helps manage things in /usr/local for you without putting things into a .deb; checkinstall tries to hijack "make install" to make a .deb out of it |
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| 03:21.18 | baegle | themill: |
| 03:21.31 | themill | If you've got extra copies of several libraries that dpkg thinks are in other packages then you don't want to use checkinstall |
| 03:21.40 | baegle | themill: hmmm, ok, I'll have to read on checkinstall. Making a deb by hand is a little uncomfortable for me |
| 03:22.09 | baegle | themill: hmm, ok, so then I ~won't~ use checkinstall because node comes with all of those libs.... |
| 03:22.20 | themill | dpkg: tell baegle about stow usage |
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| 03:23.07 | baegle | themill: Once I do that, can I figure out what's "stowed" for this package? |
| 03:23.39 | themill | baegle: iff make install for the package behaves nicely, everything would be in /usr/local/stow/$package |
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| 03:24.35 | baegle | themill: behaves nicely meaning it respects --prefix? |
| 03:25.26 | themill | yes |
| 03:25.47 | baegle | ok, well, I'll sleep on it and try again tomorrow |
| 03:25.49 | baegle | thanks for the tips |
| 03:25.59 | themill | np have fun |
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| 03:27.11 | themill | darkapp: please /part channels if you want to muck about with /nick |
| 03:28.14 | darkapp | its a #wolfgame thing |
| 03:28.27 | darkapp | u gotta join to understand |
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| 04:45.05 | setuid | I've installed gdm but it doesn't start when the machine boots up, I just boot to a login prompt at the shell. How can I configure the machine to boot up in graphical mode? |
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| 04:47.59 | setuid | n/m, edited /etc/inittab and changed the default runlevel from 2 to 5 |
| 04:48.54 | themill | that shouldn't make any difference unless you've been configured your runlevels differently already |
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| 04:51.25 | setuid | Nope, the defualt seems to be 2, so I just bmped it to 5, no biggie |
| 04:52.17 | themill | setuid: there is no difference between runlevels 2 and 5 in debian, unless you have changed things yourself |
| 04:53.06 | setuid | Sure there is, runlevel 2 is non-graphical, runlevel 5 is graphical |
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| 04:53.30 | irinix | does SCP support resuming a partially transmitted file? |
| 04:53.52 | themill | setuid: no. |
| 04:54.20 | themill | irinix: not that I know of. rsync does though if you give it the right options |
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| 04:54.36 | irinix | well isn't that just f***tacular |
| 04:54.51 | irinix | thanks themill |
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| 04:56.43 | setuid | themill, Yes. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lpic1-v3-101-3/ && http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel && https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
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| 04:57.23 | jelly-home | setuid: that last link tells that "Default Debian installation does not make any difference between runlevels 2-5." |
| 04:57.38 | themill | setuid: you might like to read your own reference a little more carefully |
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| 04:57.53 | setuid | Yep, read it carefully. |
| 04:57.55 | themill | !runlevels |
| 04:57.56 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 04:58.03 | setuid | Anyway, it's all set, corrected it. |
| 04:58.42 | themill | setuid: unless you changed rc2.d/ yourself, you haven't done anything towards fixing your problem. It either didn't exist to begin with or still does. |
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| 05:23.42 | z8z | why jigdo to download full set of debian dvd? :( |
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| 05:24.40 | z8z | is there any torrent for that? |
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| 05:29.22 | ssbr | What kind of problem is this? What broke? http://i.imgur.com/Cv7plme.png |
| 05:29.48 | ssbr | I just want a name for it, not really a reason. It's happened before. (I don't need a reason because the reason is probably my broken hard drive and such. I'm reinstalling on a new one today.) |
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| 05:34.47 | jelly-home | ssbr: care to explain what's problematic in that image? |
| 05:35.20 | themill | z8z: about 5 people in the world actually need a full set of DVDs. |
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| 05:35.29 | ssbr | jelly-home: Oh, sure. The KDE taskbar is gone, and that xchat window didn't exist before. |
| 05:35.35 | ssbr | I just opened up my laptop and everything was like this. |
| 05:35.37 | themill | ssbr: kquitapp plasma-desktop ; sleep 5 ; plasma-desktop &>> ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 05:35.55 | themill | plasma-desktop (or -notebook) has crashed for some reason |
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| 05:36.14 | ssbr | themill: I don't think I'll be able to reproduce reliably. This happened before as in, I saw it once on a different OS over a year ago |
| 05:36.16 | themill | (the reason is normally due to a bug in the widget style) |
| 05:36.42 | ssbr | themill: Thank you, though! It's good to know what it is / how to recover / how to debug |
| 05:36.50 | ssbr | runs said command |
| 05:36.53 | jelly-home | that's funny, kde4 on wheezy usually manages to restart plasma-desktop on its own for me |
| 05:37.10 | themill | jelly-home: only if it realises that it has crashed. Sometimes it doesn't |
| 05:37.11 | ssbr | eh, I'm on sid. It's probably not a too unexpected outcome that things will go wrong, eh? |
| 05:37.32 | jelly-home | themill: that's why I preemptively SIGSEGV it every night! |
| 05:37.34 | themill | I find I need to restart plasma and/or kwin once every week or so if I use qtcurve |
| 05:37.42 | themill | bad jelly-home |
| 05:37.58 | ssbr | woo, I have a nice environment! :) |
| 05:38.05 | jelly-home | no, bad plasma-desktop leaking inotify resources and eating 4GB+ RAM |
| 05:38.15 | ssbr | themill: thanks again |
| 05:38.17 | z8z | themill: that's why i'm asking myself why those 5 people needs to bother to download it using the most unpopular download system |
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| 05:39.07 | themill | z8z: to stop people who compulsively download things they don't need from downloading DVDs they don't need. |
| 05:40.35 | z8z | themill: deleting those :D ??? |
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| 05:41.00 | z8z | themill: if you put something you'd better make it available otherwise which is the purpose? |
| 05:41.39 | themill | eh? They are available -- you just use jigdo to assemble them on your own system |
| 05:42.22 | z8z | very comfortable system .... i need to install and learn another command line tool while i have 3 installed for the same purpose |
| 05:42.53 | themill | Perhaps you could explain why you are looking for more than 1 DVD? |
| 05:42.57 | z8z | and also i have to use a system which is discontinued and soon deprecated |
| 05:43.19 | z8z | because i need to install on pc which doesn't have internet connection obviously |
| 05:44.02 | themill | The chance of you needing beyond DVD2 is still vanishingly small and you can use something like apt-zip to deal with anything that is missing |
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| 05:45.36 | z8z | yeah never mind i'll just install another software to download those.... ("make things complicated howto") |
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| 05:48.18 | themill | There is no way the Debian project can ask people to mirror an additional TB of images on the off chance that one person actually wants one of them. If you're one of the very few users who need these things, then the tools exist to help you create them. There is no way that the project can keep 100% of people 100% of the time. |
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| 05:51.40 | z8z | I'll put those isos on my host and make those available for download. So no more need to take care of 100% people |
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| 06:43.22 | uvwxyz | hi, how can i change the letter of a hard disk sdx? |
| 06:43.43 | uvwxyz | i want to change sdc to sdb and sdb to sdc is that possible? |
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| 06:44.30 | Gm4n | uvwxyz: I'm not sure, but I think that's based on the order they appear during boot |
| 06:45.45 | uvwxyz | it changed from self after installing new kernel now thats confusing |
| 06:46.18 | themill | using labels or UUIDs is the more general way of handling this problem |
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| 06:46.42 | phy1729 | usually it's from the port they're plugged into on the motherboard, but UUIDs are the "right way" to do ti |
| 06:46.43 | Gm4n | e2label, for example |
| 06:48.27 | jwilliams1 | is there any lib that provides interprocess communication in c ? |
| 06:48.54 | jelly-home | jwilliams1: there are dozes of libs and apis, all different |
| 06:48.59 | themill | jwilliams1: depends what you mean by IPC |
| 06:49.37 | themill | (anything from MPI through to d-bus can fit that description) |
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| 06:50.40 | jelly-home | the kernel itself supports sysv ipc, look ma, no libs |
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| 06:52.01 | jelly-home | (and from what I hear, the kernel itself might support dbus soon) |
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| 06:54.26 | uvwxyz | ok how can i find out the UUID of a hard disk? |
| 06:54.36 | jwilliams1 | just interested in knowing what lib is used by companies (in real product) for the communication between processes. |
| 06:54.39 | rozie | uvwxyz: blkid |
| 06:54.51 | uvwxyz | thank you |
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| 06:55.40 | jwilliams1 | i would like to learn what ipc lib that work well between server or processes within server |
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| 06:57.02 | Gm4n | jwilliams1: have you considered using network sockets? |
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| 06:57.14 | jelly-home | jwilliams1: lots of those APIs are really in use. The classic unix socket api is used for many services to build specific protocols on top. |
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| 06:58.49 | jwilliams1 | i think erlang's messaging passing style might better describe my requirement (sorry not knowing very well about that kind of stuff in c). |
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| 07:00.08 | m3tti | hi folks |
| 07:00.38 | m3tti | anyone uses the raspberry pi as main station over here. I perty like it its so minimal :-D. |
| 07:01.06 | jwilliams1 | just find boost lib has ipc. thanks. : ) |
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| 07:17.22 | mykii | hi everyone |
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| 07:17.53 | mykii | i would like to offer deb package in debian, what's the best way to be present ? |
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| 07:18.09 | themill | dpkg: tell mykii about mentors |
| 07:18.10 | mykii | my software is under the gpl v3 license |
| 07:18.24 | mykii | great thanks |
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| 08:49.06 | phoenix__ | i get this error on debian 7 printer-resolution has value (unknown IPP tag) and cannot be edited |
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| 08:50.18 | phoenix__ | themill: hi |
| 08:50.27 | phoenix__ | themill: i get this error on debian 7 printer-resolution has value (unknown IPP tag) and cannot be edited |
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| 08:52.42 | musca | hi phoenix__ |
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| 08:53.18 | phoenix__ | musca: hi |
| 08:53.25 | phoenix__ | i get this error on debian 7 printer-resolution has value (unknown IPP tag) and cannot be edited |
| 08:53.58 | well_laid_lawn | maybe repeat it again in case some one missed it ... |
| 08:54.07 | musca | phoenix__: how to reproduce this error? what are you doing? |
| 08:56.14 | phoenix__ | musca: how to reproduce this error? ? |
| 08:56.25 | phoenix__ | musca: which error? |
| 08:56.46 | bhuddah | *sighs* |
| 08:56.49 | bhuddah | is it a troll bot? |
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| 08:58.36 | musca | bhuddah: he comes if we talk about partition or initiate fdisk |
| 08:59.23 | musca | not this time :) |
| 08:59.42 | bhuddah | okay :D |
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| 09:25.39 | f8l | z8z: Are you going to mirror a full set of Debian CDs? |
| 09:26.07 | z8z | DVDs |
| 09:26.09 | SharkMuttleworth | Which graphics card manufacturer (Intel/AMD/NVidia) is currently recommended for hardware-accelerated 3D using open source drivers? A bit confused about whether AMD or Intel provide the best support, or if nouveau now provides decent performance |
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| 09:26.27 | z8z | f8l: yes i'm downloading now |
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| 09:27.16 | f8l | z8z: How many releases, architectures? Is it going to be a Linux server? |
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| 09:27.38 | z8z | yes is a linux server |
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| 09:28.08 | z8z | f8l: probably i'll include last 2 versions full set of dvds |
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| 09:28.33 | f8l | z8z: You may want to use this then: http://gitorious.org/jigdofuse |
| 09:29.00 | f8l | f8l: I also have a PHP script which does the same thing. |
| 09:29.56 | z8z | f8l: I think i'll just do that the easy way just manually upload on my server ftp and that's it |
| 09:30.31 | f8l | z8z: OK. If you have enough space… |
| 09:30.33 | z8z | f8l: and let people download....don't need any automation since is a once in a while job |
| 09:30.50 | Walex | z8z: 'rsync' is nearly always the best way |
| 09:30.59 | f8l | z8z: This is not about automation. It's about saving disc space. |
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| 09:31.51 | z8z | f8l: i know i can save space but i still have 4tb unused space so adding 40gb or 100gb or data doesn't affect it so much |
| 09:32.30 | f8l | z8z: OK. |
| 09:32.42 | Arafangion | space is cheap, these days. |
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| 09:33.09 | f8l | wonders if his project is really useless… |
| 09:33.13 | z8z | Walex: i don't need rsync since i'm using my own framework in javascript and php which upload and remotely check checksum of file |
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| 09:33.35 | z8z | Walex: i just drag and drop on browser so..... |
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| 09:33.56 | Arafangion | f8l: Disk space is cheap, online disk space is insanely cheap. |
| 09:34.08 | Arafangion | f8l: Especially when you look at Amazon S3, and the like. |
| 09:34.21 | z8z | Walex: also has resume system |
| 09:34.51 | z8z | Walex: you may have understood that i'm the man which like pc to die and human being to live longer :D |
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| 09:35.36 | z8z | Walex: and i like to use basic solutions until complicated one are strictly required |
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| 09:37.00 | f8l | Arafangion: Yeah… At least I could use that to host an impossible number of Debian CDs on my 80G disk (with my systems and /home on it). |
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| 09:38.45 | Deeps | Arafangion: Depending on needs, AWS can often be (much) more expensive than just buying a disk |
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| 09:38.56 | Arafangion | Deeps: Probably, yes. |
| 09:39.21 | testuser12345 | hi, i want to change my default sound card, but "asoundconf set-default-card 1" doesnt work, because the command doesnt exist, alsa-utils is installed, so how can i change the default card? |
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| 09:41.47 | z8z | Arafangion: i pay 4tb disk 95€ |
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| 09:42.22 | z8z | Arafangion: and have 200Mbit upload at home so i really don't need amazon |
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| 09:42.31 | Deeps | z8z: Wow, that's cheap! I was paying £150 a month or two ago! |
| 09:42.51 | bhuddah | 200Mbit? |
| 09:42.53 | bhuddah | wtf? |
| 09:43.15 | Arafangion | z8z: Clearly you don't live in Australia. :/ |
| 09:43.15 | z8z | bhuddah: Japan is the heaven of internet connection |
| 09:43.23 | Deeps | Hehe, next place I'm moving into has gigabit Internet connectivity for £60/month :-) |
| 09:43.23 | bhuddah | yay :) |
| 09:43.25 | Arafangion | Sounds like it. |
| 09:43.40 | bhuddah | i have 10mbit upload at home. |
| 09:43.41 | Deeps | Current place, 5mins up the road, has 7Mbit for £30/month :-/ |
| 09:43.54 | Deeps | (7Mbit down, 1Mbit up) |
| 09:43.55 | bhuddah | that s the fastest you can get without leasing dark fibre |
| 09:43.59 | z8z | bhuddah: i had 1Mbit in Italy :( |
| 09:44.03 | bhuddah | ouch |
| 09:44.32 | z8z | bhuddah: 100 only in center of Milan and cost a lot :( |
| 09:44.56 | bhuddah | mhm |
| 09:45.10 | z8z | Deeps: 1Gbps where? Korea? |
| 09:45.14 | bhuddah | but moving to japan is not an option for me ^^ |
| 09:45.15 | Deeps | z8z: London |
| 09:45.20 | Arafangion | bhuddah: I don't get the name 'dark fiber'. |
| 09:45.34 | Arafangion | bhuddah: The whole reason it's "dark fiber", is because it's not being used. Once you use it, it ain't dark anymore. |
| 09:45.51 | bhuddah | Arafangion: yeah. but when you rent it. you rent it as dark |
| 09:46.06 | z8z | Deeps: Ah ok now i remember about the article on BBC about new high speed network infrastructure they were planning to build |
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| 09:46.33 | Deeps | Arafangion: Depending on country, different tax regulations purchasing an unlit service from a lit service. E.g. in the UK, if you light the fibre yourself, you have to pay a fibre tax. If you purchase a wavelength on a fibre that's already lit, you don't. |
| 09:46.38 | Deeps | z8z: hyperoptic.com |
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| 09:47.08 | darsie | what's the repository with more up to date iceweasel for stable? |
| 09:47.16 | Deeps | Arafangion: the distinction being, if you're buying dark fibre, you've purchased a bit of cable, and whether it's lit or not is up to you. |
| 09:47.37 | nkuttler | ,v iceweasel |
| 09:47.39 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 17.0.8esr-2; experimental: 23.0-2 |
| 09:47.40 | Arafangion | Deeps: Ah, so it's not just marketing. |
| 09:47.40 | z8z | Deeps: available only in some area tough |
| 09:47.46 | nkuttler | darsie: ^^ |
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| 09:48.09 | testuser12345 | 9;5~9;5~9;5~9;5~9;5~9;5~5~ |
| 09:48.10 | Deeps | z8z: Yep! Hence me moving buildings, 5 mins walk from each other, and going from ADSL2+ to HyperOptic |
| 09:48.28 | z8z | Deeps: lol |
| 09:48.32 | Deeps | z8z: Really annoying as they've run cabling as far as outside my building, but the building management refuse to let them in. |
| 09:48.47 | Arafangion | Deeps: What possible reason do they have for that? |
| 09:48.52 | nkuttler | Deeps: z8z: mind taking it to -offtopic? |
| 09:48.56 | darsie | nkuttler: IIRC there was something else. |
| 09:48.58 | z8z | Deeps: double lol |
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| 09:49.08 | Deeps | nkuttler: Apologies, moving |
| 09:49.11 | nkuttler | darsie: there will probably be wheezy backports somewhen, but not yet |
| 09:49.15 | bhuddah | TO THE LAB! |
| 09:49.17 | nkuttler | Deeps: :) |
| 09:50.06 | z8z | nkuttler: sorry i thought it was ok since chat is not so overspammed with debian topics at the moment |
| 09:50.37 | darsie | nkuttler: I found http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 09:50.49 | nkuttler | darsie: oh right, that one.. it's unofficial though |
| 09:51.03 | z8z | anyway being back to debian topic..... anyone knows a link that shows every package version in different debian versions? |
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| 09:51.28 | nkuttler | !tell z8z about pdo |
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| 10:17.45 | Jonuz | !tell me about pdo |
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| 10:20.48 | jargon | !tell me about pdo too |
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| 10:22.35 | nkuttler | you can also /msg the bot |
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| 10:22.53 | z8z | nkuttler: i was just meaning an html page with a comparison table for quick reference looking |
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| 10:23.09 | l01 | hello |
| 10:24.12 | nkuttler | z8z: yes, like packages.debian.org/iceweasel ? |
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| 10:26.07 | l01 | I have just debootstrapped wheezy, but I forgot to run adduser. and I rebooted. Now, it's asking for username and password. I tried root/<empty password>, but it's refused. How can I log in? |
| 10:26.45 | drunkez | single user |
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| 10:27.24 | nkuttler | !tell l01 about i forgot root's password |
| 10:27.59 | z8z | nkuttler: no like debian 6 -> iceweasel 10.0.x debian 7 -> iceweasel 17.0.x |
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| 10:28.48 | l01 | But now it's running, I do not want to do an unclean shutdown if possible |
| 10:29.02 | drunkez | so imo nothing |
| 10:29.32 | nkuttler | z8z: well, good luck finding something then |
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| 10:29.47 | l01 | oh. Okay, thank you :) |
| 10:30.26 | f8l | dpkg: tell z8z about judd |
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| 10:42.52 | _martin | hi |
| 10:42.56 | _martin | i install debian from netinstall |
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| 10:43.15 | _martin | can i encrypt my hdd in the netinstall setup too? |
| 10:43.54 | nkuttler | _martin: yes |
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| 10:45.17 | boudiccas | i've just installed virtualbox, but it hasnt installed 'vboxdrv', how should i get it installed please? |
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| 10:47.09 | jelly | boudiccas: did you install virtualbox-ose from debian, or the binary-only virtualbox package from oracle? |
| 10:47.35 | boudiccas | jelly, from debian |
| 10:47.49 | dimaursu16 | ,checkbackport deluge-gtk |
| 10:47.49 | judd | Backporting package deluge-gtk in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 10:48.40 | nkuttler | boudiccas: didn't you install the -dkms package? |
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| 10:49.26 | jelly | boudiccas: the package Description for virtualbox package says "Either the virtualbox-dkms or the virtualbox-source package is also required in order to compile the kernel modules needed for virtualbox." |
| 10:49.55 | boudiccas | nkuttler, yes, v2.2.0.3-1.2 |
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| 10:50.40 | boudiccas | jelly, yes, i have the virtualbox-dkms installed |
| 10:50.51 | nkuttler | boudiccas: was the kernel module built? |
| 10:51.04 | jelly | boudiccas: did the installation process of virtualbox-dkms show some modules getting built? |
| 10:51.29 | nkuttler | boudiccas: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name vboxdrv.ko |
| 10:51.34 | phoenix__ | i am unable to configure a printer on debian 7.1 |
| 10:52.01 | boudiccas | nkuttler, ,yes, but it failed on amd64-elf, but as i havent got elf installed i'm not too bothered by it |
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| 10:53.25 | boudiccas | nkuttler, zero output from that command, so obviousl;y its failed in the building |
| 10:53.28 | jelly | boudiccas: that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pastebin the output of dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms |
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| 10:57.56 | boudiccas | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/24945/ |
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| 11:00.36 | boudiccas | i thought 'vboxdrv' was installed to '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv' but it isnt there |
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| 11:01.57 | mamed | hello guys. i want to use echo in my makefile but i get en errow. after compiling source if the binary exists i want to type compiling process done successfully how can i do that |
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| 11:04.38 | mamed | ok no need to check the existence ofg the binary |
| 11:04.51 | mamed | if cannot compile script will halt |
| 11:04.57 | kimda | hi. I know this is not the suse channel. But maybe someone can help me with the weird error i encounter. I've got an suse server running within vmware. Last week I changed the firewall settings and since that day there are network issues. Mostly at night and late in the evening when there are visitors on another vm on the same server. |
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| 11:05.57 | jelly | boudiccas: it looks like that dkms build worked, what fails to work? |
| 11:06.14 | kimda | it takes a long time to login and another virtual interface is not accessible at all! this morning it was accessible again. And after doing some tcpdumps I can access the virtual interface again via ping and ssh |
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| 11:06.47 | kimda | btw i changed all the firewall settings back to the old settings but these problems remain. |
| 11:06.54 | jelly | boudiccas: is 3.10-2-686-pae the kernel booted at present time? |
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| 11:09.12 | boudiccas | jelly, yes, i've just rebooted and its the ones thats loaded in. i dont have a 'vboxdrv' in /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:09.38 | jelly | boudiccas: who cares about that, what error do you get from the GUI? |
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| 11:10.05 | jelly | in other words, "what fails to work" |
| 11:11.14 | boudiccas | jelly, well i dont know whats happened re vboxdrv, but its working as 'virtualbox' now! wheee :))) |
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| 11:12.08 | jelly | boudiccas: virtualbox userspace is closely tied to kernel, 32bit gui CANNOT work on a 64bit kernel |
| 11:12.13 | martin-_- | I set up gnome on an other debian machine. How can I use the same settings on my new debian machine? Which settings have i to copy? |
| 11:12.47 | jelly | boudiccas: it's one of the rare remaining things that can't deal with an amd64 kernel and i386 debian distro |
| 11:13.08 | boudiccas | jelly, well, its working now, just got to get 32-colours working |
| 11:13.11 | jelly | boudiccas: that's documented... somewhere |
| 11:14.19 | f8l | martin-_-: GNOME may keep its configuration in many places. I'd ask in #gnome. |
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| 11:15.08 | dicaxdorcas | Hello! |
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| 11:16.28 | f8l | dicaxdorcas: Hello. |
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| 11:18.09 | Poenikatu | Hello. I am running a window manager which uses scheme as its extension language and I have discovered that it does not have all the environment variables which I have defined, but instead has a small set which appears to have been set by the system. What environment variables are set for an X session? |
| 11:18.39 | grn | Poenikatu: where do you define your own variables? |
| 11:19.19 | Poenikatu | grn: In the file ~/.bash_env which is called by ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 11:19.42 | grn | When you login into X these files aren't sourced at all |
| 11:20.05 | grn | take a look at .xsession |
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| 11:20.36 | Poenikatu | grn: In my .xsession file I have the command ${HOME}/.bash_profile |
| 11:21.37 | grn | Poenikatu: but do you run it in a separate bash process? |
| 11:21.43 | grn | . ~/.bash_profile |
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| 11:22.05 | grn | that should run it in the current interpreter; please also remember to export the variables |
| 11:22.06 | Poenikatu | No, I just call the file |
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| 11:22.20 | Poenikatu | All the variables are exported |
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| 11:23.31 | Poenikatu | grn: Ok, I have changed the command to ". ${HOME}/.bash_profile" |
| 11:24.13 | grn | Poenikatu: does it work now? |
| 11:24.15 | Poenikatu | grn: I shall logout now and log in again and see what happens. Thank you for your advice. :-) |
| 11:24.26 | grn | hopefully that helps |
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| 11:29.22 | boudiccas | jelly, i was trying to install 'siduction' into a vm with qemu and left it running overnight, this morning it had failed, with zero output. but with virtualbox its installing, magic! :) |
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| 11:30.19 | jelly | boudiccas: qemu-kvm or a gui for it (virt-manager?) might have been a better bet |
| 11:31.05 | boudiccas | jelly, i tried qemu-gui, and it was just hanging there doing nowt |
| 11:31.31 | boudiccas | i was using 'aqemu' |
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| 11:33.16 | boudiccas | but the iso was a dvd from 'linux format' [a popular linux magazine in the uk] and there were four other distros to install, so you had to use the menu on the dvd to install your choice |
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| 11:35.43 | ws2k3 | hello i have a dedicated server running debian and i have 2 ip adresses for it should i use a seperate gateway for the new ip adres? |
| 11:37.34 | drunkez | ws2k3: in 99% yes |
| 11:37.35 | rozie | ws2k3: ask your ISP |
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| 11:38.01 | rozie | depends on IP |
| 11:38.13 | drunkez | within same range two interfaces on same network doesn`t make sense |
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| 11:38.33 | rozie | and network config |
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| 11:39.00 | rozie | he has IP, not iface... |
| 11:39.02 | ws2k3 | it are both different ip adressen |
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| 11:39.18 | drunkez | yes i ment IPs |
| 11:39.27 | ws2k3 | 188.165.210.181 and 188.165.40.108 |
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| 11:40.05 | rozie | they both respond to ping now... |
| 11:40.33 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 11:40.36 | ws2k3 | they both are working |
| 11:40.42 | rozie | really, ask the ISP. or rather read docs |
| 11:40.57 | ws2k3 | only the issue is that i have one application spesific software that runs on 181 and not on 108 |
| 11:40.58 | rozie | so if they are working - do not change |
| 11:41.29 | ws2k3 | i already tryed restarting the application but it only acepts the eth0 address |
| 11:41.34 | rozie | so configure app to run on both (if this is possible) |
| 11:41.48 | rozie | it's not the matter of gateway |
| 11:42.00 | ws2k3 | thats the issue i cant get it running on the second address it just refuses and i was wondering coulde this be because of the network configuration |
| 11:42.06 | ws2k3 | or is it just the application |
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| 11:42.11 | rozie | just the app |
| 11:42.19 | ws2k3 | okay well SSH for example is working on both |
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| 11:42.34 | drunkez | netsatat -tlupn will tell you what is listening on what |
| 11:42.50 | drunkez | and rozie is right you hagve to configure application to listen on both IPs |
| 11:42.50 | rozie | ws2k3: what is the app name? |
| 11:42.56 | ws2k3 | Call of duty |
| 11:43.00 | drunkez | :) |
| 11:43.31 | rozie | does it have anywhere definition which IP should it use? |
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| 11:43.54 | ws2k3 | yes it has |
| 11:44.10 | ws2k3 | but when i define net_ip it still comes online on the orginal ip |
| 11:44.13 | ws2k3 | but not on the new ip |
| 11:44.48 | rozie | looks like CoD problem, not Debian one |
| 11:44.56 | rozie | try google and forums |
| 11:44.58 | jelly | cash on delivery? |
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| 11:45.44 | drunkez | so ./cod_lnxded +set net_ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx doesn`t work? |
| 11:46.08 | ws2k3 | yes it does work but then he only is able to use one ip |
| 11:46.20 | drunkez | he? |
| 11:47.19 | ws2k3 | is does only work on one ip at the same time |
| 11:47.26 | ws2k3 | i'm was trying to get it working on both |
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| 11:48.19 | ws2k3 | correct me if i'm wrong but cant i make an iptables rule that forward all incoming connections on 188.165.210.181 to 188.165.40.108 |
| 11:49.51 | drunkez | you can but there is no reason for that imo |
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| 11:50.18 | drunkez | check cod docu about cod listening on two ips |
| 11:50.58 | rozie | still, see no point in listning on 2 IPs in this case |
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| 11:52.35 | ws2k3 | well i was unable to find any docu about that |
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| 11:54.42 | drunkez | well probably on #debian you won`t be lucky as well |
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| 11:55.02 | ws2k3 | haha no i know |
| 11:55.12 | ws2k3 | well thanks for all the infor and pointing me in the right direction |
| 11:55.21 | ws2k3 | love #debian and love the people in #DEBIAN |
| 11:55.58 | drunkez | keep lovin` |
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| 12:05.00 | case` | hi, am running SID armel on a netbook, was looking to modify/customise libnotify-pidgin, notification box is rather large, was hoping someone could help me find the script i need to amend ? |
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| 12:09.24 | fjeeer | http://www.fjeer.me FREE SMS Worldwide! |
| 12:09.25 | fjeeer | http://www.fjeer.me |
| 12:09.27 | fjeeer | http://fjeer.me |
| 12:09.56 | jelly | fjeers it's just spam |
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| 12:13.13 | Iridos | that's why you should feeer him |
| 12:14.22 | Nik05 | ban ban ban :D |
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| 12:14.27 | Nik05 | oh hi Iridos |
| 12:14.42 | Iridos | oh, hi Nik05 |
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| 12:46.06 | _AleX_ | hi all! I've trouble with fuseext2 : my netgear readynas stop working, i've put the 4 disks in another computer, reassemble the raid5 array, activate lvm2 (I'm seeing the LV with lvdisplay), but when i try to mount the logical volume using fuseext2 (because sparc based readynas use 16k blocsize), I've this fuseext2 error : "Open_ext2 Error:2133571348". I'm using old debian (5.0.3) with fusext3 0.3-1. Any ideas ? |
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| 12:59.29 | nvteighen | quick question: which is the best way to backup and restore APT? I've been using the classic dpkg --get-selections + apt-mark |
| 12:59.56 | nvteighen | what about aptitude-create-state-bundle or apt-clone? |
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| 13:01.06 | pestilence | is there any way to turn off the auto-gain on the microphone in gnome? |
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| 13:02.00 | pestilence | the level on the input (microphone) is constantly being adjusted by something, and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop it. |
| 13:02.13 | nvteighen | pestilence: dunno, but you can do it at alsamixer (Mic Boost) |
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| 13:07.54 | n3rV3 | i am unable to install nonfree amd catalyst drivers |
| 13:08.01 | n3rV3 | can someone please help |
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| 13:08.53 | bhuddah | n3rV3: can you elaborate on that? |
| 13:09.19 | nvteighen | n3rV3: do you have the non-free and contrib repos set up at /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:09.36 | n3rV3 | yes nvteighen, one moment |
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| 13:10.06 | n3rV3 | i had them running on a previous kernel, i upgraded to 3.10 yesterday and started having trouble |
| 13:10.16 | n3rV3 | so i followed instructions from here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Precise_Installation_Guide#Installing_Catalyst_Manually_.28from_AMD.2FATI.27s_site.29 |
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| 13:10.29 | n3rV3 | but couldn't get them running |
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| 13:10.39 | n3rV3 | it says no module named fglrx |
| 13:10.43 | nvteighen | uh... I hope you didn't remove 3.9 |
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| 13:11.02 | bhuddah | you need to recompile the modules on each kernel upgrade |
| 13:11.06 | james41382 | I have been working on getting a dual boot windows 8 pro and debian 7.1 going over summer break. I was doing good, but now I've decided that I want to install encrypt both drives and I've read that the boot setup if a little complex. So can I install wheezy to a second physical hard drive (sdb) and simply select it through the bios if I want to boot to linux? |
| 13:11.31 | bhuddah | james41382: that is not a good idea |
| 13:11.56 | n3rV3 | bhuddah, yes, i tried reinstalling the catalyst drivers from binary given on AMD site |
| 13:12.10 | james41382 | bhuddah: it's not? what's the trouble with it? |
| 13:12.16 | bhuddah | n3rV3: and that worked without problems? |
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| 13:12.36 | bhuddah | james41382: i would suspect complications because the bootloader of windows does funny shit |
| 13:12.45 | n3rV3 | bhuddah, no thats the issue, when i boot into it Xorg crashes and says no module named fglrx |
| 13:12.53 | n3rV3 | i can modprobe it from command line |
| 13:12.58 | bhuddah | and it is there? |
| 13:13.02 | n3rV3 | yes |
| 13:13.07 | bhuddah | strange |
| 13:13.09 | n3rV3 | but wont work on boot |
| 13:13.17 | n3rV3 | i've been puzzled too |
| 13:13.19 | bhuddah | maybe you should try asking in #xorg |
| 13:13.26 | n3rV3 | hmm ok |
| 13:13.38 | jstech | Am I at good place to ask a question about selinux on squeeze ? |
| 13:13.45 | bhuddah | because it then seems very x related.. and at least i have very limited know how regarding X |
| 13:14.01 | Th0masR0ss | !tell jstech about selimux |
| 13:14.02 | james41382 | bhuddah: When the bios boots from the primary slave it doesn't have anything to do with the master I'm guessing. I haven't tried it before, but when you boot from cd or usb it doesn't so what's the difference? |
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| 13:14.28 | Th0masR0ss | Gah |
| 13:14.47 | Th0masR0ss | jstech: try #selinux |
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| 13:15.22 | bhuddah | james41382: try to keep the bood partition out of the encryption and everything should be fine |
| 13:15.38 | SirLagz | bood ? mmmm fooood... |
| 13:16.16 | bhuddah | *laughs* |
| 13:16.17 | bhuddah | damn |
| 13:16.29 | james41382 | bhuddah: Yes this started because I was going to try to chain load grub2 to truecrypt as i've read, but then my /boot is on a usb stick and i couldn't find documentation saying whether or not truecrypt would look for bootable usb or not. |
| 13:16.31 | bhuddah | its the same front to back to front :) |
| 13:16.57 | james41382 | bhuddah: Is it possible to force grub2 to install to a usb drive instead of sda? |
| 13:16.58 | bhuddah | james41382: why on usb? because of the keys? |
| 13:17.08 | bhuddah | james41382: i think so |
| 13:17.08 | SirLagz | anyone setup a wifi bridge before with a RT5370 ? I can't seem to get mine to work when i set 4addr mode on =/ |
| 13:17.32 | james41382 | got to go to work. |
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| 13:25.36 | christoff | hey folks, i need your assistance |
| 13:25.42 | christoff | basically i want to be able to do this |
| 13:25.45 | christoff | sleep lightdm |
| 13:25.48 | christoff | resume lightdm |
| 13:25.50 | christoff | from the tty |
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| 13:26.08 | christoff | so that it isn't using cpu and resources when I'm using commandline |
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| 13:27.53 | themill | christoff: "service lightdm stop" "service lightdm start". I can't imagine it's really using anything that you'd notice (and if it is then it is misnamed) |
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| 13:28.43 | sashman | is 7.1 full stable and does it support nvidia optimus cards ? |
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| 13:33.06 | phoenix__ | how can i switch to debian testing |
| 13:33.32 | bitgeek | hello, I have a problem with my microphone being very quiet, any resources that can help me debug please? |
| 13:33.40 | bhuddah | phoenix__: change your sources.list and update |
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| 13:33.52 | Th0masR0ss | !wheezy->Jessie |
| 13:33.52 | nkuttler | phoenix__: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 13:34.08 | Th0masR0ss | wat |
| 13:34.12 | Th0masR0ss | pokes dpkg |
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| 13:34.33 | Th0masR0ss | !tell phoenix__ about wheezy->jessie |
| 13:34.37 | christoff | thank you themill |
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| 13:35.51 | phoenix__ | Th0masR0ss: and if i switch to sid then what to do? |
| 13:36.14 | Th0masR0ss | !jessie->Sid |
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| 13:36.29 | Th0masR0ss | DPKG, WORK! |
| 13:36.30 | dpkg | somebody said work was a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-) |
| 13:36.59 | christoff | themill is there a way that I could suspend it rather than stop it? |
| 13:37.01 | Th0masR0ss | !tell phoenix__ about jessie->sid |
| 13:37.10 | christoff | so that when i type start it loads it up as it last was? |
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| 13:37.24 | phoenix__ | Th0masR0ss: i am on wheezy stable just now.. |
| 13:37.30 | themill | phoenix__: if you have to ask... then perhaps you shouldn't. You're clearly not very comfortable with debian and you're just going to make problems for yourself. |
| 13:37.36 | Th0masR0ss | !install Sid |
| 13:37.36 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. No, really. #debian does not normally support sid because if you are using sid, then you should be able to support yourself. Often, sid is not installable as it is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then "upgrade" to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>. |
| 13:38.01 | Th0masR0ss | damnit I forgot ALL the factoids |
| 13:39.06 | nkuttler | !tell phoenix__ about debian-next |
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| 13:39.43 | phoenix__ | ok |
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| 13:40.13 | Th0masR0ss | I don't think he got the fact that he should install it. |
| 13:40.17 | Th0masR0ss | er |
| 13:40.22 | Th0masR0ss | s/should/shouldn't |
| 13:41.31 | wobster | Hi everyone. In a chroot jail, 'cp -a' (preserve permissions) fails with "Operation not supported". Outside the jail, it's just fine. Does anybody have an idea what I could about this? |
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| 13:43.29 | rigid | debian... the distro where you need 992MB for doxygen :-P |
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| 13:49.22 | nkuttler | rigid: if you don't want recommended or suggested dependencies you can tell your package manager |
| 13:49.41 | Perdu | wobster: Implement it and send a patch to the community? :D |
| 13:49.49 | rigid | nkuttler: i know :) but they are all recommended |
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| 13:50.30 | rigid | i'm just ranting since I miss "USE='-* html' emerge doxygen" from gentoo :( |
| 13:50.45 | rigid | ...and I only have a 2GB filesystem here |
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| 13:50.55 | Perdu | wobster: Otherwise, just check for the latest version of the package to see if it's been implemented in a more recent version (don't know if the error comes from cp or the chroot package though) |
| 13:51.01 | nkuttler | rigid: we do have an -offtopic channel |
| 13:51.34 | themill | That would have to be the first time I've heard someone complaining there was too much documentation for free software |
| 13:51.42 | rigid | seems overkill with this one beeing 89.4% idle... |
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| 14:15.48 | wobster | Perdu, it is an ACL problem. Thanks for your response. |
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| 14:17.35 | kikokos | Hi, can someone tell me why one application from my autostart.sh doesn't start at all? (got 2 tkremind starts and checkgmail doesn't) |
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| 14:17.51 | kikokos | in /usr/bin stays checkgmail and the same it does work from terminal |
| 14:18.04 | kikokos | any ideas? or any clue where it keeps logs? |
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| 14:18.19 | SM0TVI | Anyone here good at casting spells against X windows? |
| 14:19.15 | bhuddah | SM0TVI: maybe ask in #hogwarts or #xorg |
| 14:19.30 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: Ok.Will try *crosses fingers<* |
| 14:19.34 | bhuddah | :D |
| 14:19.51 | reavengrey | Xicus workicus |
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| 14:20.07 | reavengrey | -EIMPOSSIBRU |
| 14:20.35 | bhuddah | is it that late already? |
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| 14:23.38 | dgp | I have a custom 3.11 kernel running wheezy and for some reason I can't use su on it. I can see in the auth.log that it switches user but then instantly closes the session. On another board that is running 3.4 I upgraded to 3.11 and it did the same thing. Going back to 3.4 made su work again. On this board it's only supported in 3.11 so I don't have much choice. |
| 14:23.39 | kikokos | noone? |
| 14:23.50 | jelly | kikokos: what is "autostart.sh"? |
| 14:24.31 | kikokos | jelly, I've got lxde and created mentioned file to organize my applications |
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| 14:25.56 | jelly | kikokos: where did you put it exactly? |
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| 14:26.11 | kikokos | jelly, http://pastebin.com/g5Ev7JgQ thats how does it look |
| 14:26.37 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: Okay, asked the question there. So far *tumbleweeds* *crickets* *mournful howling of coyote*. But thanks anyways :) |
| 14:26.38 | kikokos | jelly, well I put it in my home/user dir and it works for one app but doesnt for another |
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| 14:27.02 | kikokos | jelly, that's what i don't understand :) |
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| 14:28.35 | kikokos | jelly, I guess location is ok, I put the link in .config/autostart/.desktop, maybe you have any idea wher it keeps logs (if) ? |
| 14:28.40 | jelly | kikokos: I can't really find a reference for lxde using ~/autostart.sh at all... http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession suggests it ought to be in ~/.config/lxsession/<Profile Name>/autostart (not .sh) |
| 14:28.51 | bhuddah | SM0TVI: it was worth atry. maybe try your luck here :) |
| 14:29.24 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: Yeah, if anyone knows the deep magic of .Xresources, it'd be them :) |
| 14:29.26 | jelly | kikokos: or .desktop format files in ~/.config/autostart/something.desktop |
| 14:29.48 | bhuddah | SM0TVI: maybe ask your question an provide a pastebin for us to look at |
| 14:29.53 | jelly | kikokos: I'd look for output in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:30.13 | kikokos | jelly, ah, ok will check it |
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| 14:31.31 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: Pastebin would be overkill, but basically changing the default font of menus of individual windows, which param in .Xresources is to be changed/added/tweaked? |
| 14:31.58 | kikokos | jelly, ok, maybe .desktop is better idea, one .desktop file for one app or a few of them? |
| 14:32.09 | msn | why does nagios3 deb package need samba-common? |
| 14:32.19 | bhuddah | SM0TVI: okay. but i must say i have no idea how to do that. |
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| 14:33.37 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: Me neither. :( |
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| 14:34.05 | kikokos | jelly, ok I changed it have to restart x thanks anyway |
| 14:34.16 | jelly | kikokos: good luck |
| 14:35.06 | afernandez | hello to all i know this question is out of topic but ill give it a shot: running this command in terminal gives the desire results echo "$[($RANDOM % 99)]" but if do it in a bash script it returns this $[( % 99)] the scrip is: |
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| 14:35.08 | afernandez | random |
| 14:35.09 | afernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.11 | afernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.40 | afernandez | hello to all i know this question is out of topic but ill give it a shot: running this command in terminal gives the desire results echo "$[($RANDOM % 99)]" but if do it in a bash script it returns this $[( % 99)] the scrip is: |
| 14:35.41 | afernandez | random |
| 14:35.43 | afernandez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.24 | bhuddah | very random... |
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| 14:38.13 | cthuluh | afernandez: $[ ] is just a deprecated and unportable way to say $(( )) |
| 14:38.38 | cthuluh | afernandez: how do you actually run the script? ./script, or sh ./script? |
| 14:38.42 | afernandez | ok thanks |
| 14:38.44 | afernandez | ill try |
| 14:39.21 | afernandez | random: 2: random: arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " % 99" |
| 14:39.37 | afernandez | sh script |
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| 14:40.02 | themill | afernandez: with "sh script" you're not actually running it with bash |
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| 14:40.12 | afernandez | oops |
| 14:40.30 | afernandez | how do i run it with bash? |
| 14:40.51 | cthuluh | ./script or bash ./script |
| 14:40.57 | themill | "bash script" or make it executable and then ./script |
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| 14:41.36 | afernandez | thank you!!! working now |
| 14:41.47 | cthuluh | but... |
| 14:42.00 | cthuluh | really, replace that ugly $[ ] with $(()) |
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| 14:42.21 | afernandez | ok |
| 14:42.26 | afernandez | thanks |
| 14:42.28 | cthuluh | and don't expect to get strong randomness ouf of RANDOM... |
| 14:43.28 | cthuluh | ah and... there's a #bash channel |
| 14:45.05 | afernandez | thanks!!! cthuluh |
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| 14:45.27 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | Hello |
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| 14:45.41 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | can anyone tell me where i can find old debian squeeze kernel |
| 14:45.59 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 14:46.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 14:46.01 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | i'm only finding the lastest -48 patch ver... |
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| 14:46.13 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | and i need the -46 patch ver |
| 14:46.26 | jhutchins | !archive |
| 14:46.26 | dpkg | from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 14:47.28 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | jhutchins: squeeze is not in the archive.debian.net repo :) |
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| 14:48.39 | jhutchins | !snapshot |
| 14:48.39 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 14:49.17 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | jhutchins: yay thanks, i think i will find it here :) |
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| 15:01.06 | unr3al011 | when running dpkg-reconfigure tzdata i get the following output: Local time is now: Wed Aug 14 18:59:51 CEST 2013. |
| 15:01.07 | unr3al011 | Universal Time is now: Wed Aug 14 16:59:51 UTC 2013., but when i type in: date ,my output is Mi 14. Aug 18:59:57 CEST 2013. also all my services have the wrong time, how can i change it? |
| 15:01.29 | bhuddah | unr3al011: have you set the clock? |
| 15:01.45 | unr3al011 | what do you mean? i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 15:01.52 | bhuddah | you set the timezone |
| 15:01.58 | bhuddah | now you must also set the correct time |
| 15:02.04 | unr3al011 | i could not do that there |
| 15:02.07 | bullgard4 | [Wheezy] After resuming my Thinkpad T61 has no longer an Ethernet route to a switch and an ADSL router. The Ethernet link LED and the Ethernet activity LED are lit continuously. This prevails even after rebooting. How to fix that? |
| 15:02.14 | bhuddah | unr3al011: just use ntpdate or date |
| 15:02.26 | bhuddah | !date |
| 15:02.28 | dpkg | The current date is 2013.08.14 15:02:26 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 15:02.34 | bhuddah | :) |
| 15:02.59 | rozie | bullgard4 did you try to unload and then load ethernet module? |
| 15:03.32 | rozie | and - as I see you rebooted - try to reboot router too |
| 15:03.57 | unr3al011 | maybe it is because my uefi has the wrong time |
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| 15:04.27 | rigid | bullgard4: : shutdown, remove battery, remove cables, reboot? |
| 15:04.35 | bhuddah | unr3al011: maybe it is because you did not set the time! this is NOT magic. |
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| 15:05.21 | unr3al011 | ok i dit it |
| 15:05.35 | bhuddah | okay :) |
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| 15:06.06 | bhuddah | did it work? |
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| 15:07.10 | unr3al011 | yes i corrected the time with date --set XX:XX:XX and then i executed hwclock --systohc |
| 15:07.26 | bhuddah | great. |
| 15:07.37 | bhuddah | unr3al011: you should think about setting up ntpd or chronyd |
| 15:07.50 | unr3al011 | i installed ntpd but i read that it may last some hours |
| 15:08.05 | jelly | unr3al011: your time is correct. |
| 15:08.14 | bhuddah | unr3al011: it should work good if your clock is reasonably near the real time |
| 15:08.21 | unr3al011 | my time is correct now |
| 15:08.36 | jelly | this is the same time, just different timezones <unr3al011> Universal Time is now: Wed Aug 14 16:59:51 UTC 2013., but when i type in: date ,my output is Mi 14. Aug 18:59:57 CEST 2013. |
| 15:08.40 | koollman | you can restart ntpd with the option -g , it will set instantly the time at launch |
| 15:08.58 | unr3al011 | jelly: i know, but all my services, like mysql, used the wrong time |
| 15:09.04 | bhuddah | jelly: no. was two hours off. |
| 15:09.09 | jelly | unr3al011: there's nothing wrong in that line! |
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| 15:09.29 | jelly | oh... maybe there is. My bad! |
| 15:09.41 | bhuddah | it's 17:00 CEST and not UTC |
| 15:10.07 | unr3al011 | this is my date output now and it is correct: Mi 14. Aug 17:09:55 CEST 2013 |
| 15:10.14 | bhuddah | yep. |
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| 15:10.18 | jelly | aight |
| 15:10.27 | jelly | /exec -o date |
| 15:11.27 | unr3al011 | thanks for that :P |
| 15:11.41 | bhuddah | yw |
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| 15:13.53 | bullgard4 | rozie: Do you suggest to use the command »modprobe«? |
| 15:14.11 | bhuddah | i would suggest the parameter -r |
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| 15:17.00 | jhutchins | unr3al011: ntpdate can set the clock instantly regardless of offset. |
| 15:17.19 | jhutchins | unr3al011: Some versions of ntpd have that option as well. |
| 15:17.31 | unr3al011 | how? |
| 15:17.49 | bhuddah | as koollman told us above. |
| 15:17.57 | unr3al011 | oh okay |
| 15:18.24 | unr3al011 | it says invalid option -- 'g' |
| 15:18.36 | jelly | bullgard4: tried unplugging the cable, waiting a bit and plugging it back in? |
| 15:18.38 | bhuddah | well. that says a lot about your version of ntpd |
| 15:18.44 | Companion | Hrm |
| 15:18.45 | jhutchins | Different versions of ntpd have different options/capabilities. |
| 15:18.55 | Companion | seems my flashplayer is bugged, cannot watch on twitch.tv :( |
| 15:18.57 | unr3al011 | i installedit via aptitude |
| 15:18.57 | jelly | unr3al011: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:19.00 | bhuddah | unr3al011: i use chronyd and think it works better than ntpd. |
| 15:19.00 | unr3al011 | 7.0 |
| 15:19.08 | jelly | ntpd in 7.0 has -g |
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| 15:20.04 | unr3al011 | oh its 7.1 |
| 15:20.18 | jelly | unr3al011: same thing really. do you have a file named /etc/default/ntp ? |
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| 15:20.31 | unr3al011 | nope |
| 15:20.35 | unr3al011 | i have ntpdate |
| 15:20.54 | jelly | -g is for ntpd |
| 15:20.56 | unr3al011 | but i just uninstalled ntpdate |
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| 15:21.12 | jelly | unr3al011: install ntp and let it do its thing |
| 15:21.18 | jhutchins | Rats. The systems I was working on Monday support -g. I did 55 manual resets with ntpdate. |
| 15:21.38 | unr3al011 | ok, worked |
| 15:21.44 | jhutchins | unr3al011: Why? ntpdsate does nothing unless you run it manually. |
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| 15:22.09 | jhutchins | There was a configuration file option on some ntpd versions that allowed unlimited offset on startup. |
| 15:22.11 | unr3al011 | i did it, but the time did not change |
| 15:22.11 | koollman | jhutchins: well, it's a very very useful option. and 'ntpdate' is also : ntpd -gq , if you have ntpd ;) |
| 15:22.26 | Companion | Chromium does not play streaming video's from the web, YouTube Works but Twitch.tv / Justin.tv / Livestream does not work Q.Q |
| 15:22.32 | Companion | Any fix for that? |
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| 15:22.44 | unr3al011 | Companion: youtube has html5 player, twitch not |
| 15:22.51 | jhutchins | koollman: Since the manpage didn't list the conf file option I didn't look for it as a command option. |
| 15:22.54 | unr3al011 | you probably need flash player |
| 15:23.12 | Companion | unr3al011, then why it asks for flash permisssions? |
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| 15:23.21 | jhutchins | Companion: Have you installed flash? |
| 15:23.37 | Companion | jhutchins, I am using the build in one of Chromium |
| 15:24.31 | jhutchins | Companion: Sorrry, that sentence does not parse. flashplugin-nonfree installs the flash player from Adobe. |
| 15:24.59 | Companion | jhutchins, just checked apt-cache installing it right now :) |
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| 15:25.35 | Companion | jhutchins, works nao |
| 15:25.36 | Companion | thanks <3 |
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| 15:27.54 | menace | hi, i try get a git-repo working with git-buildpackage, but the autotools generate several files and git-buildpackage/dpkg-source stops.. http://paste.debian.net/25034/ now gbp proposes a give dpkg-source a parameter.. but how? does anyone have an idea? |
| 15:28.37 | bullgard4 | rozie: '~$ sudo modprobe -r e1000e' and '~$ sudo modprobe e1000e' has no effect. |
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| 15:30.01 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: lxappearance and qtconfig seem to do the trick - make notes :) |
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| 15:30.24 | bhuddah | SM0TVI: thx :) |
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| 15:30.59 | SM0TVI | bhuddah: I mean, it's bound to pop up again as an issue. :) |
| 15:31.08 | bhuddah | i bet |
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| 15:31.58 | SM0TVI | On a related note, if you want to use the Segoe UI font on X, use Segoe UI Symbol - the rendering of the other seems to leave a lot desired. |
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| 15:32.42 | bullgard4 | jelly: Unplugging the cable, waiting a bit and plugging it back in does not help. Using another LAN cable of known integritiy does not fix the problem either. |
| 15:33.35 | bhuddah | bullgard4: can you call modprobe -r more often? |
| 15:33.50 | bhuddah | bullgard4: like a minimum of twice in a row? |
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| 15:35.50 | jelly | bullgard4: changing the port on the switch? |
| 15:36.26 | bullgard4 | bhuddah: I did '~$ sudo modprobe -r e1000e' three times in a row. I cannot see any effect. |
| 15:36.45 | bhuddah | bullgard4: did it unload the module? |
| 15:36.47 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 15:36.59 | bhuddah | bullgard4: are there any depenencies listed in lsmod? |
| 15:37.05 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Are you checking dmesg to see if the system is recognizing the connection? |
| 15:37.13 | verysoftoiletppr | what is the advantage of having transmission running on a separate user account? |
| 15:37.28 | verysoftoiletppr | it's causing me many permission problems.. |
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| 15:40.11 | fureddo | Hi, I'm installing Debian. I have a SSD and a HDD. I'm wondering if I should install the system on the SSD or the HDD? |
| 15:40.24 | verysoftoiletppr | fedesilv_ SSD |
| 15:40.29 | mumpitze1 | verysoftoiletppr: easier to do QoS |
| 15:40.42 | mumpitze1 | fureddo: what's on the SSD so far? |
| 15:40.48 | nkuttler | fureddo: it depends.. |
| 15:40.49 | mumpitze1 | fureddo: and how big is the SSD |
| 15:40.54 | teclo- | Hi, how can I allow all users in the GUI session to play sound to pulseaudio at the sametime ? |
| 15:40.55 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitze1 what specifically do you mean with QoS? |
| 15:41.02 | verysoftoiletppr | networking? |
| 15:41.11 | verysoftoiletppr | prioritization? |
| 15:41.30 | fureddo | The SSD has Windows 8. It's 256 GB. The HDD is empty and is 500 GB. |
| 15:41.43 | bullgard4 | bhuddah: I have checked: The two commands will unload and reload the module e1000e. |
| 15:42.09 | teclo- | fureddo: just remove W*ndows from the SSD and put Debian on it... W*ndows is useless |
| 15:42.10 | fureddo | The laptop is brand new. |
| 15:42.25 | bhuddah | bullgard4: maybe you have frozen your network card. you need to completely remove the power to the network card for several minutes. |
| 15:42.48 | fureddo | teclo-, That's my intention. |
| 15:42.51 | mumpitze1 | verysoftoiletppr: yes |
| 15:43.02 | bullgard4 | bhuddah: sudo lsmod does not show any dependencies of e1000e. |
| 15:43.04 | fureddo | So SSD is the best choice. |
| 15:43.13 | teclo- | fureddo: and don't forget to get refunded for the W*ndows license |
| 15:43.26 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitze1 that doesn't interest me much. can I run transmission has another user? My default user? |
| 15:43.32 | bhuddah | bullgard4: thats what i would have expected. |
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| 15:43.42 | mumpitze1 | fureddo: if you don't dual boot, then the SSD is totally the way to go. if you are dual booting. use 50GB (or less) for debian and the rest for windows. debian needs a lot less for itself |
| 15:43.50 | mumpitze1 | verysoftoiletppr: of course |
| 15:44.12 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitze1 just change the init script? |
| 15:44.27 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: What text or string should I look for in /var/log/dmesg specifically? As you know this is a huge file. |
| 15:44.42 | fureddo | teclo-, Well, I prefer to keep Windows just in case. I've been working mainly on Windows for the 10 last years. I have a rescue disk so I don't want to dual-boot. I want to wipe Windows completely. |
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| 15:44.58 | mumpitze1 | yes, you can start transmission as another user via su or sudo |
| 15:45.49 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitze1 I know, but I mean permanently |
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| 15:46.33 | mumpitze1 | so do I |
| 15:47.08 | verysoftoiletppr | where is the init script located in debian? |
| 15:47.45 | mumpitze1 | same place all of them are /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:48.27 | verysoftoiletppr | I can change this line? USER=debian-transmission |
| 15:49.04 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, don't edit init scripts directly |
| 15:49.11 | verysoftoiletppr | smw so? |
| 15:49.21 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, /etc/default/transmission would be a better file to edit |
| 15:49.41 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, init files aren't considered config files. They get replaced when you update the package |
| 15:50.04 | verysoftoiletppr | smw isn't /etc/default/transmission-daemon also replaced? |
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| 15:50.14 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, no, it isn't |
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| 15:50.38 | verysoftoiletppr | smw are you sure? what if the new variables need to be added to the configs? |
| 15:50.47 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, that file is made to be the configuration for the init file. |
| 15:51.19 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, then you are out of luck and need to modify the init file manually. I have never actually had to do that. |
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| 15:51.38 | verysoftoiletppr | smw thanks for the tim |
| 15:51.40 | verysoftoiletppr | tip |
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| 15:51.54 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, I would probably copy the init file and edit the copy |
| 15:52.08 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, then make sure only my copy starts on boot |
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| 15:52.50 | fureddo | I have partitioned my SSD like this: 238 GB for /, 7.7 GB free (for overprovisioning) and 10.4 GB for swap (as I have 8 GB RAM and might need a little bit more if I need to suspend the system. /home will be on the HDD and take all the room. Does it look good? |
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| 15:53.09 | verysoftoiletppr | smw how? |
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| 15:53.18 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, how what? |
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| 15:53.45 | verysoftoiletppr | smw I think there was a fail in communication here: [16:50:37] <verysoftoiletppr> smw are you sure? what if the new variables need to be added to the configs? |
| 15:54.26 | verysoftoiletppr | I meant, isn't the config file ever overwritten, even if the new updated package requires new variables in that file? |
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| 15:55.10 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, no variable is REQUIRED in the /etc/default file. The init script always has sane defaults. |
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| 15:56.35 | smw | verysoftoiletppr, anyways, it is treated like a normal config file. You can look up how debian handles config file updates |
| 15:56.47 | verysoftoiletppr | smw thanks :) |
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| 15:58.30 | b3hnam1 | How can I find out when my Debian is installed ? |
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| 16:04.05 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Yes, there's a lot of information. A lot of it is from the initial boot, but recent events are at the bottom. Look for strings like e1000 and eth0, network, etc. |
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| 16:17.16 | tremon | b3hnam1: check the timestamps in /var/log/installer |
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| 16:25.33 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: /var/log/dmesg includes this line: "e1000e 0000:00:19:0: eth0: MAC: 6, PHY: 6, PBA No: FFFFFF-0FF." On the other hand '~$ sudo mii-tool eth0; SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: No such device.' How to proceed? |
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| 16:28.49 | xand | bullgard4: run ifconfig -a - does that list any eth adaptors? |
| 16:30.23 | bullgard4 | xand: No. Only lo and wlan0. |
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| 16:32.14 | xand | I wonder if the e1000e module is buggy |
| 16:33.31 | menace | has anyone an package example, where debhelper 8 (dh) AND the build: target is used? |
| 16:33.45 | bullgard4 | xand: This morning it worked all right. (-- I tampered with x11vnc on anther computer in this LAN segment and Remmina on this computer.) |
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| 16:34.29 | jhutchins | bullgard4: bullgard4 Rather than /var/log/dmesg you might try dmesg | less |
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| 16:34.39 | bullgard4 | xand: I rebooted the computer. The error remains. |
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| 16:35.19 | xand | bullgard4: errr does "lspci" list the ethernet adaptor? |
| 16:35.32 | OldParr | empty applications menu in Kde in wheezy, how can i restore it? |
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| 16:36.44 | jhutchins | xand: Given that it's one of the most common adapters out there, unless he's running sid I doubt it. |
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| 16:37.25 | jhutchins | bullgard4: THere are some versions of the e1000 that need firmware, but it's very rare and not for normal applications. |
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| 16:37.58 | debiii | hi all |
| 16:38.00 | debiii | how convert shllcode to string in linux |
| 16:38.18 | jhutchins | debiii: shilcode? |
| 16:38.34 | debiii | shellcode |
| 16:38.51 | jhutchins | debiii: Still doesn't make any sense. |
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| 16:39.25 | Gm4n | debiii: perhaps you're thinking of xxd? |
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| 16:39.45 | Iridos | chillcode :) |
| 16:40.08 | bullgard4 | xand: '~$ lspci' does list Ethernet Controller: Intel82566MM Gigabit Network Connection rev 03. |
| 16:40.33 | debiii | ok ok how open and read dbf file oracle in linux ? |
| 16:40.43 | diskawrs | Hi I was wondering what version of glibc++ would I need to resolve this issue? undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 |
| 16:41.41 | Th0masR0ss | debiii: cat <file>? |
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| 16:41.49 | Th0masR0ss | !tell debiii about cat |
| 16:41.53 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: But the computer worked all right this morning before i sent it to hibernation. I did not change the module. |
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| 16:42.49 | xand | bullgard4: try a complete power cycle in case the hardware is in a funny [D[Dstate |
| 16:42.57 | xand | thanks mosh for those |
| 16:42.58 | debiii | Th0masR0ss: no cat and strings read only string char |
| 16:43.02 | Iridos | bullgard4, that dmesg line suggests the module is loaded... but you could check if it is (lsmod |grep e10). then you could look at dmesg|tail ; unload it with rmmod e1000e and load it again with modprobe e1000e ... and then check with dmesg -tail ; if the line you showed us is really the only line or if there's an error following it |
| 16:43.08 | debiii | dbf file is database file oracle |
| 16:43.14 | thowe | you know, on my third day of playing with Debian, I really think what separates the great *nix systems from the not-so-great ones is quality documentation... |
| 16:43.17 | xand | debiii: run oracle then |
| 16:43.30 | Iridos | bullgard4, also, I wonder ... maybe you get an error if you just do "ifconfig eth0 up" (either on the console or in dmesg) |
| 16:43.53 | debiii | this file is not exported for imported |
| 16:44.09 | OldParr | suddendly i got an empty applications menu in Kde in wheezy, how can i restore it? |
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| 16:44.31 | mumpitze1 | debsan: you install a oracle DB for linux http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/linux/articles-linux.php |
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| 16:45.22 | Iridos | thowe, that and the rule of least surprise... (I really like the way debian tries hard not to touch config files and if there are config files that are overwritten, there's always a not in them that they're overwritten and usually what by... well, with the exception of /etc/resolv.conf, maybe) |
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| 16:45.27 | debsan | mumpitze1, oops |
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| 16:45.57 | bullgard4 | Iridos: '~$ LANG=C sudo ifconfig eth0 up; eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device.' |
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| 16:47.05 | Iridos | dpkg, dbf |
| 16:47.05 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/xBase . See also <dbf2mysql>. |
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| 16:47.15 | thowe | Iridos, speaking of resolv.conf, can one use a resolv.conf.tail as on some other systems to keep certain settings from being over-written by dhcp? |
| 16:47.18 | Iridos | debiii, ^^^ |
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| 16:48.33 | Iridos | thowe, there is such a mechanism... but IIRC, the config file is in the dhcp-client's config |
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| 16:49.30 | bullgard4 | xand: I did a complete power cycle before I started posting here. |
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| 16:49.38 | jhutchins | bullgard4: It begins to look like a hardware problem - mostly the e1000 just works. I agree with xand's suggestion to cold cycle it. |
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| 16:51.04 | xand | bullgard4: are you on mains power or battery? some laptops do weird things to network adaptors to save power when on battery |
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| 16:51.05 | Iridos | thowe, dpkg is a bot with useful factoids for this channel... ask about the following, it probably answers the question: /msg dpkg resolv.conf and /msg dpkg resolvconf and /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 16:51.21 | Iridos | bullgard4, and no errors while loading the module? |
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| 16:52.55 | OldParr | empty applications menu in Kde in wheezy, how can i restore it? |
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| 16:55.56 | zerick | What exactly means "The following packages have been kept back:" ? |
| 16:55.56 | bullgard4 | Iridos: There were no errors shown when loading the th module e1000e. |
| 16:56.00 | jwash | hi everyone, i'm attempting a fresh install today, but getting a beep after i start to boot from the netinst cd. I'm running dual intel x64 xeon e5335's and i downloaded the amd64 netinst. should i be getting a different image? |
| 16:56.25 | bullgard4 | xand: I am on 230 V ~. |
| 16:56.32 | verysoftoiletppr | anyone has a simple and clear guide on cron and crontab? |
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| 16:57.21 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: I will do a cold power cycle now. |
| 16:57.22 | flux242 | verysoftoiletppr: I've seen a cron generator on the net. It's very simple to use |
| 16:58.14 | DasEi | I'm on with watching my cpu temperature and can't find sensors-detect no more , how do I go about that ? |
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| 16:58.25 | Iridos | verysoftoiletppr, "crontab -e" in debian opens a file that contains comments explaining the basic syntax. The only other thing you have to know is, that your PATH in cron-jobs is not the one you have in your shell. So either set PATH in the scripts you call or call programs with full names like.. /usr/bin/whatever |
| 16:59.59 | Iridos | verysoftoiletppr, there's of course also "man 5 crontab", which actually explains what I just did more elaborately |
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| 17:01.20 | zerick | After an "apt-get dist-upgrade" what exactly means "The following packages have been kept back:" ? |
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| 17:03.54 | zerick | help plz :( |
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| 17:08.11 | DasEi | zerick: mostly depency-related, see https://tinyurl.com/p4ddusn, second Post |
| 17:08.32 | DasEi | dependency* |
| 17:08.36 | bullgard4 | jhutchins, Iridos, xand: I did a cold power cycle. I have got back my route! And the 2 Ethernet LEDs behave normally. I do not know why my first cold power cycle did not work. May be because it was too short and and electrolytic capacitor was not yet discharged completely. -- Thank you very much for your advices and help. |
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| 17:09.21 | bullgard4 | -d |
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| 17:09.27 | CountryfiedLinux | I just got done using Debian, and I do mean done. |
| 17:09.44 | CountryfiedLinux | It was grap on my graphics from the git-go |
| 17:09.56 | ChibaPet | Chaw. |
| 17:10.18 | flux242 | CountryfiedLinux: what are you gonna use now? |
| 17:10.35 | CountryfiedLinux | soon after booting up, the windows got black and wouldn't close, then soon after it booted up to a black background and a timer watch icon that wouldn't go away, and then it wouldn't even boot up to a GUI |
| 17:10.57 | Iridos | bullgard4, it always helps to wait a little with no power... until all fans have really stopped ... and then up to maybe a minute. |
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| 17:11.26 | CountryfiedLinux | flux242: Got Ubuntu Gnome Remix 13.10 Saucy on here now. |
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| 17:11.38 | CountryfiedLinux | its running perfectly fine so far. |
| 17:11.43 | flux242 | CountryfiedLinux: with unity? |
| 17:11.52 | thowe | Anyone run PostgreSQL? I'm trying to figure out where and how it is set up by default on debian... I'm used to initializing my database in /var/postgres, but it seems to have stuff in /etc/postgresql. I don't see any notes about expected first steps. |
| 17:11.57 | CountryfiedLinux | flux242: hell no unity. Gnome shell. |
| 17:12.14 | CountryfiedLinux | I've never had graphics issues like this in my life. Even Sabayon ran fine. |
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| 17:12.52 | CountryfiedLinux | No other distro gave me these graphics issue except for the supposedly stable Debian. When I found it detected my wireless in live session, I was so happy, I just knew it was gonna be great. Nope. |
| 17:13.01 | Iridos | of course it's always a good way to install random distributions until their specific bugs/problems match the bug/problem profile of your hardware instead of figuring out what's wrong |
| 17:13.12 | bullgard4 | Iridos: Apparently my first power cycle had an off-time of much less than a second. |
| 17:13.44 | thowe | nm, found a wiki article |
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| 17:16.10 | Iridos | CountryfiedLinux, you don't understand the meaning of "stable" as it is used in debian context |
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| 17:16.45 | CountryfiedLinux | Iridos: Well it sure was unstable with my graphics, and its even Intel graphics at that. |
| 17:16.55 | Iridos | q.e.d. |
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| 17:18.04 | CountryfiedLinux | My GPU is Intel B830 BTW |
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| 17:18.16 | flux242 | CountryfiedLinux: debian stable means 2 years old packages and the kernel |
| 17:18.35 | Iridos | stable means "unchanging". Severe bugs (security) will be fixed, but versions stay the same. So bugs stay the same and if you fix them, fixes will remain intact. |
| 17:18.46 | Iridos | dpkg, stable |
| 17:18.47 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 17:20.01 | Iridos | "but software-versions stay the same"* |
| 17:20.03 | CountryfiedLinux | Iridos: I'm fairly certain my GPU has been out for a long time. Its a dual-core, its not modern tech. |
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| 17:20.51 | x-s4nd3r | Is it safe to delete all these files by clicking "Localizations" in BleachBit? Here are the files that will be deleted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5985771/ so should I do it or not? (is it safe?) |
| 17:21.12 | Iridos | doesn't matter. No software is ever 100% bug-free. and that's not the meaning of "stable" as we use it |
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| 17:21.48 | flux242 | x-s4nd3r: worked for me. Just keep languages you use and dump the others |
| 17:22.01 | x-s4nd3r | flux242: what is localizations anyway? |
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| 17:22.39 | flux242 | you know, man pages translaled for example |
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| 17:23.31 | CountryfiedLinux | Iridos: so no chance of a fix before the next major release? |
| 17:23.35 | mcgreg | hi |
| 17:23.54 | jelly-home | CountryfiedLinux: your cpu/gpu is from Q3'12 says ark.intel.com, so less than a year! |
| 17:24.29 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly-home: Wow, that explains a lot. |
| 17:24.35 | jelly-home | http://ark.intel.com/products/71141/Intel-Celeron-Processor-B830-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz |
| 17:24.46 | mcgreg | I have a problem which occurs randomly I think.. sometimes when I do apt-get cache xx or apt-get dist-upgrade -V the process takes EXTREMELY long, sometimes when I compile something that happens too |
| 17:25.30 | mcgreg | I mean for example: "Reading package lists... 6% " this takes minutes |
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| 17:26.10 | mcgreg | top tells me 4 threads are 25% wa |
| 17:26.58 | jelly-home | mcgreg: can you run "vmstat 1" in a side terminal when that happens? |
| 17:27.00 | mcgreg | since the moment I write this=> "Reading package lists... 8% |
| 17:27.01 | Iridos | CountryfiedLinux, _you_ can probably fix it e.g. by using a newer xorg or possibly kernel(-module) from backports or backporting it yourself from testing == get a newer version (but if it's a problem with those packages whose fix is "have a newer version", there will be no fix in stable as such) |
| 17:27.25 | jelly-home | mcgreg: and paste some 10-50 lines |
| 17:27.32 | mcgreg | jelly-home: ok |
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| 17:28.00 | CountryfiedLinux | Iridos: Couldn't I just install the driver from intel? |
| 17:28.12 | mcgreg | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/25078/ |
| 17:28.23 | jelly-home | CountryfiedLinux: I don't think they package stuff for Debian, just Ubuntu and Fedora |
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| 17:29.04 | jelly-home | mcgreg: wa% points to disk or sata/scsi driver issues. |
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| 17:29.32 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly-home: So basically I'm out of the loop until a year and a half, 2 years from now? |
| 17:29.48 | jelly-home | (esp. together with a constant non-zero number of processes "b"locking on io) |
| 17:30.21 | jelly-home | CountryfiedLinux: that, or use testing |
| 17:30.28 | Iridos | CountryfiedLinux, if it works in different distributions other than Debian, compare version of kernel / kernel module and xorg driver ... |
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| 17:30.46 | Iridos | judd, versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 17:30.47 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-security: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2:1.12.4-6; wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6; sid: 2:1.12.4-6.1; experimental: 2:1.14.2.901-2 |
| 17:30.49 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly-home: sounds risky, kinda defeats the purpose of stable. |
| 17:30.57 | mcgreg | jelly-home: the driver comes from the kernel? |
| 17:31.03 | jelly-home | CountryfiedLinux: that's what you get with too new hardware I'm afraid |
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| 17:31.54 | jelly-home | mcgreg: indeed. What does "iostat -x 1" say, which partition is 100%util ized? |
| 17:32.27 | jelly-home | mcgreg: is there anything unusual in /var/log/kern.log / dmesg? |
| 17:32.42 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly-home: Someone else just told me its not new. |
| 17:32.47 | CountryfiedLinux | Intel B830 |
| 17:33.12 | mcgreg | jelly-home: no message in dmesg - systems bots fine, everything is fine, except a few things |
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| 17:33.21 | Iridos | intel packages graphic card drivers for linux? |
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| 17:33.30 | jelly-home | CountryfiedLinux: who are you going to trust, "someone" or Intel's specification site! |
| 17:33.37 | CountryfiedLinux | intel :P |
| 17:33.43 | jelly-home | Iridos: yes. |
| 17:33.54 | jelly-home | Iridos: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ |
| 17:33.57 | mcgreg | jelly-home: I dont have a command names iostat |
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| 17:34.13 | jelly-home | mcgreg: too bad. Do you have iotop or atop? |
| 17:34.18 | socomm | mcgreg: install it |
| 17:34.29 | CountryfiedLinux | Its old tech, why make new chips on it? makes no sense. |
| 17:34.29 | jelly-home | socomm: he's waiting for apt. |
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| 17:34.47 | CountryfiedLinux | It would make more sense to move their time and energy to newer tech. |
| 17:34.48 | mcgreg | socomm: I can't ;) ioading package lists... 19% now |
| 17:35.32 | mcgreg | except I'll find a direkt link and use dpkg |
| 17:35.42 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 17:35.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 17:35.47 | flux242 | mcgreg: do you have loop defined in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:36.14 | flux242 | loopback I mean |
| 17:36.15 | mcgreg | flux242: lo Link encap:Local Loopback ? |
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| 17:36.55 | flux242 | auto lo |
| 17:36.57 | flux242 | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 17:37.12 | flux242 | these two lines should always be defined |
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| 17:37.56 | mcgreg | flux242: I have them |
| 17:38.11 | Iridos | jelly-home, not sure it matters much that thats an "ubuntu" package. It's only an installer which does who-knows what |
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| 17:38.32 | flux242 | mcgreg: can you strace? |
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| 17:38.56 | Iridos | ops, I take it back... that package has a dependency on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9) |
| 17:39.11 | mcgreg | strange ... dpkg -i sysstat_10.1.6-2_i386.deb worked just fine... |
| 17:39.20 | mcgreg | like everythign is just fine |
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| 17:40.09 | mcgreg | jelly-home: ok, iostat is working now, should I paste it? |
| 17:40.26 | officeHours | anyone know a site that can give me guidelines on installing to a low spec computer? should i use nv or xvesa |
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| 17:40.54 | jelly-home | mcgreg: if you can replicate the stalling behaviour by apt/aptitude again, yes |
| 17:41.03 | CountryfiedLinux | I might just install Sid. |
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| 17:41.07 | mcgreg | jelly-home: iostat -> http://paste.debian.net/25088/ |
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| 17:41.58 | jelly-home | mcgreg: eh, looks fine now |
| 17:42.03 | CountryfiedLinux | How secure is Sid? |
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| 17:42.30 | mcgreg | jelly-home: but it isn't , restarte apt-get dist-upgrade -V :: Reading package lists... 3% |
| 17:42.50 | jelly-home | er, wait, iowait is still there |
| 17:43.13 | joltcan | CountryfiedLinux: since it's bleeding edge I would at least assume all packages are the latest |
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| 17:43.58 | jelly-home | mcgreg: ok, so you have iowait but it's not disk related. That is unusual. |
| 17:44.19 | jelly-home | mcgreg: does this system have 8 entries in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 17:44.32 | mcgreg | it is a octa core, AMD FX 8350 |
| 17:44.45 | jelly-home | (12.5% iowait means a single thread is stuck with... something) |
| 17:45.01 | CountryfiedLinux | Is Ubuntu non-LTS more secure than Sid? |
| 17:45.22 | joltcan | CountryfiedLinux: impossible to say, it depends on the software that is installed. |
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| 17:45.28 | mcgreg | jelly-home: well, "top" tells me 4 threads has 25% |
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| 17:46.06 | mcgreg | jelly-home: so it looks like it is a software problem and not likely a hardware problem? |
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| 17:47.01 | jelly-home | mcgreg: from what we've seen thus far it looks like a software/kernel issue yes |
| 17:47.01 | joltcan | CountryfiedLinux: No linux version is inherently unsecure, it all depends on the software that is exposed |
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| 17:47.37 | mcgreg | jelly-home: Linux debian 3.11.0-rc2+ #5 SMP Sat Jul 27 20:41:31 CEST 2013 i686 GNU/Linux is installed here, so you might be right |
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| 17:48.14 | jelly-home | mcgreg: do I want to know? |
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| 17:49.33 | jelly-home | mcgreg: is there a reason you're using a 32bit kernel on a 64bit 16GB machine, and an outdated kernel from unstable at that? |
| 17:49.41 | Iridos | CountryfiedLinux, you could try building the intel linux graphics installer thingy from source? |
| 17:49.55 | CountryfiedLinux | Iridos: sounds scary haha. |
| 17:50.10 | jelly-home | Iridos: that means "please rebuild xorg core, xorg server, mesa and kernel dri bits" |
| 17:50.53 | Iridos | Debian-LFS! |
| 17:51.00 | flux242 | how 3.11 can be outdated? |
| 17:51.04 | mcgreg | jelly-home: you seriously call kernel 3.11-rc2 outdated? |
| 17:51.11 | jelly-home | flux242: 3.11-rc2 can be. |
| 17:52.10 | mcgreg | alright, started compiling -rc5+ and see if that still happens |
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| 17:52.48 | jelly-home | mcgreg: why are you not using a kernel from the distro? |
| 17:52.57 | mcgreg | jelly-home: ok.. I am using 32bit because I am using a lot of 32bit software and I remember some of it didnt work too well on 64bit systems |
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| 17:53.34 | jelly-home | mcgreg: the sum of 32bit software that doesn't work well on x86_84 kernels is basically down to "vbox" |
| 17:53.37 | mcgreg | jelly-home: because there was no 3.11 back then. is there now? |
| 17:53.47 | jelly-home | mcgreg: why do you need 3.11? |
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| 17:54.17 | flux242 | mcgreg: but you won't be able to utilize your 13G memory with the 32 bit system |
| 17:54.18 | mcgreg | power management for my AMD Radeon 6850 :) (DPM) |
| 17:54.35 | mcgreg | flux242: I do, I use all of my 16GB |
| 17:54.38 | jelly-home | mcgreg: as judd said above, there's 3.11-rc4 in unstable |
| 17:55.08 | flux242 | with a 32 bit system? |
| 17:55.11 | mcgreg | jelly-home: well, there wasn't when I installed it. compiling it from www.kernel.org |
| 17:55.12 | jelly-home | flux242: he has PAE enabled, the free output pasted shows 16GB |
| 17:55.48 | jelly-home | flux242: in fact that's how we know he has 16GB |
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| 17:56.30 | Iridos | flux242, he won't be able to use more than... 4GB IIRC of it in one program, though |
| 17:57.06 | jelly-home | mcgreg: you may have stumbled onto a regression, then. Sometimes there's something interesting in dmesg, but who knows |
| 17:57.08 | mcgreg | jelly-home: actually I am using git for kernel because there used to be often update to DRM which are very interesting |
| 17:57.15 | mumpitze1 | Iridos: less. 2-3.5GB usually |
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| 17:57.51 | jelly-home | mcgreg: well then, bisect until you find out which older kernel is still good. ;-) |
| 17:57.53 | matu | Salut, je voulais savoir s'il était possible d'avois accès à internet sur son pc en connectant simplement un téléphone qui aurait le 3g en usb dessus. et si c'était facile ? |
| 17:58.00 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 17:58.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 17:58.08 | mumpitze1 | matu: yes it is |
| 17:58.35 | matu | oh sorry, i thought i was connected to the debian french channel '^_^ |
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| 17:59.41 | mcgreg | jelly-home: I am glad this is not a hardware error .. this "HDD" is a pretty expensive SSD ;) |
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| 18:00.33 | matu | thank you mumpitze1 do you accept any private messages ? can i chat with you ? |
| 18:01.08 | mumpitze1 | please stay in channel. and write english. |
| 18:01.14 | matu | ok |
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| 18:01.51 | matu | did you try to connect your computer to the internet using a smartphone ? |
| 18:02.16 | winsen | nice day, bbl |
| 18:02.25 | matu | what model of "smart"phone do you use ? |
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| 18:05.20 | Iridos | mumpitze1, well, something like "minux kernelspace", I guess |
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| 18:07.29 | Iridos | my memory for numers is ridiculously bad... I'm pretty sure I looked it up or saw where the program crashed... but I seem to remember "3G" now, maybe 4... and it seems not to be trivial to look up |
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| 18:08.27 | SubjectOne | anybody here , any experiance with a wifi usb dongle 'type : icidu wireless-150n nano usb adapter" on debian 7.1 ? |
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| 18:10.56 | mcgreg | ok, finished compiling, degenrating deb packages and installed |
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| 18:11.00 | mcgreg | rebooting |
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| 18:13.07 | mcgreg | jelly-home: seems to work fine again, apt starts instantly again |
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| 18:13.25 | officeHours | im gonna try voyage-linux. its custom made for my board |
| 18:13.34 | mcgreg | thx for your help |
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| 18:16.15 | aimer | hello, I've got a problem with ip6tables and owner module, I give access to ipv6 via ip6tables, but user called wy still can not use ipv6 network http://pastebin.com/7knN5MQN |
| 18:16.24 | aimer | after flush ip6tables all works ok |
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| 18:17.55 | SubjectOne | with the lsusb command i found out that on bus 001 device 003: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n Adapter, how can i install the chipset on debian v7.1 |
| 18:17.57 | SubjectOne | ?? |
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| 18:19.17 | GNU\colossus | drivers come with your kernel. try the backports linux-image-<arch> and se if you're more lucky with that. |
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| 18:22.07 | Renor | hi |
| 18:22.16 | Renor | i've a problem with ati proprietary driver |
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| 18:23.06 | Renor | when i installed it, i started X and lcd backlights turns off |
| 18:23.24 | Renor | but works |
| 18:23.29 | Renor | someone can help me? |
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| 18:26.49 | matu | bye |
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| 18:29.08 | Shtl | while installing tightvncserver it is including some -doc packages also, how can i avoid installing them? |
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| 18:31.02 | mumpitze1 | Shtl: which -doc package? |
| 18:31.30 | Shtl | cpp-doc |
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| 18:31.53 | Shtl | is that must? |
| 18:32.00 | mumpitze1 | no. |
| 18:32.04 | mumpitze1 | !recommends |
| 18:32.24 | Shtl | then how to drop it? |
| 18:32.34 | mumpitze1 | !tell Shtl about apt recommends |
| 18:32.37 | Shtl | bcz apt is auto selecting it |
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| 18:42.19 | martin-_- | hey im searching for https://wiki.debian.org/XenNetworking |
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| 18:43.01 | tremon | Shtl: apt-get install tightvncserver cpp-doc- |
| 18:44.08 | tremon | (maybe that only works with aptitude, not sure) |
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| 18:45.24 | Shtl | tremon: with apt --recommends option works better i guess, i did with that |
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| 18:46.54 | emper0r | hi.. exist some channel for debian where talking about SAN/multipathing ? |
| 18:47.06 | tremon | yes, it depends on whether you want apt to ignore all recommended packages or only a specific recommends |
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| 18:52.16 | Pei | So this VPS problem i've been working on, how they upgraded me to a Xen virtualization since OpenVZ, well, sucks, and you aren't "really" root with it since you have to run their kernel. Well they got me upgraded to Xen for no additional charge, but when I installed their Debian 6 template the permissions in /dev were all screwed up, a non-root account couldn't access /dev/null or use screen |
| 18:52.16 | Pei | due to the pty's having wrong perms... and changing the perms manually didn't hold across reboot, so I asked for wheezy and they got me Debian 7.1 (64-bit) but then it wouldn't boot after install, so I installed Ubuntu to see if that worked and reported Debiab 7.1 template not working, soon after that I tried to re-install with any other distro, and it wouldn't boot after install, even the |
| 18:52.16 | Pei | Ubuntu i tried that did work the first time... It's been 72 hours since I started this account and still I have no server running.... *frustrated* |
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| 18:53.51 | Pei | And I don't wanna be a bastard and start threatening to take my business elsewhere since they are giving me a $30/mo package for $10/mo, but god damn |
| 18:54.09 | Pei | just had to get that off my chest |
| 18:54.13 | Pei | thank you for listening |
| 18:55.08 | martin-_- | I get the message i need netcat/nc which supports the -U |
| 18:55.20 | martin-_- | i installed apt-get isntall netcat but i get still the same error |
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| 18:55.30 | martin-_- | have i to compile it on my own? |
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| 18:59.16 | jmd | I want to redub the sound track of a video. Can anyone recommend an applcation to do that? |
| 18:59.42 | jhutchins | martin-_-: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:59.59 | jhutchins | jmd: avidemux |
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| 19:00.36 | jhutchins | jmd: mplayer/mencode |
| 19:00.45 | martin-_- | in installed debian + xen on a machine. Now i want to connect with virt-manager to the xen server |
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| 19:00.50 | martin-_- | but i still get this error message |
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| 19:02.55 | Samul_ | hi all |
| 19:03.02 | Samul_ | how can I install firefox on debian7? |
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| 19:04.08 | jmd | Samul_, apt-get install iceweasel |
| 19:04.19 | Samul_ | but isn't it iceweasel? |
| 19:04.24 | Samul_ | instead of firefox |
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| 19:04.38 | jmd | it's the same thing under another name. |
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| 19:04.51 | Samul_ | OK thanks |
| 19:04.54 | jhutchins | Samul_: Iceweasel is Firefox with firefox and the logos changed. |
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| 19:05.23 | Samul_ | can I install firefox' addons such as adblock on iceweasel? |
| 19:05.36 | Samul_ | downloading them from mozilla's site? |
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| 19:05.50 | jmd | Samul_, <jhutchins> Samul_: Iceweasel is Firefox with firefox and the logos changed |
| 19:05.55 | jhutchins | Samul_: Yes, iceweasel links there for add-ons. |
| 19:06.02 | Samul_ | OK |
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| 19:06.30 | jhutchins | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:06.31 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 17.0.8esr-2; experimental: 23.0-2 |
| 19:06.43 | acemi | Samul_: see http://mozilla.debian.net/ to use new version |
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| 19:07.09 | Samul_ | so iceweals is supported from mozilla? |
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| 19:07.42 | Samul_ | it's OK |
| 19:07.46 | Samul_ | thanks for the support |
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| 19:08.11 | Samul_ | another thing: I want to access to Debian's IRC network but if I try to access |
| 19:08.17 | Samul_ | link have been closed |
| 19:08.23 | Samul_ | with "BAN" reason |
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| 19:08.25 | Samul_ | why this? |
| 19:08.31 | jmd | Samul_, Nothing is "supported" unless you have explicitly arranged a support contract with someone. |
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| 19:08.56 | Samul_ | I meant "is iceweals a mozilla's official applictaion?" |
| 19:09.12 | jmd | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 19:09.12 | jmd | permitted by applicable law. |
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| 19:09.36 | jmd | <jhutchins> Samul_: Iceweasel is Firefox with firefox and the logos changed. |
| 19:09.40 | Samul_ | OK OK |
| 19:09.42 | Samul_ | lol |
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| 19:10.37 | jmd | iceweasel is firefox packaged for debian. |
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| 19:10.51 | Samul_ | OK it's OK |
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| 19:12.02 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 19:12.02 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
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| 19:12.27 | Samul_ | how can I change the iceweals' language? |
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| 19:12.41 | Samul_ | I installed the language package but it's still english |
| 19:13.01 | jmd | It's called "iceweasel" not "iceweal" |
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| 19:13.08 | Samul_ | sorry |
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| 19:13.12 | Samul_ | mistake mine |
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| 19:13.27 | Samul_ | in final, how can I do that? |
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| 19:14.41 | musca | Samul_: the language pack is an extension, it has to be enabled by the user |
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| 19:14.55 | Samul_ | but how? |
| 19:15.09 | jhutchins | Samul_: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/949545 may help. |
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| 19:15.17 | Samul_ | thankd |
| 19:15.19 | jmd | Samul, Ask on #firefox |
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| 19:15.31 | Samul_ | *thanks |
| 19:15.37 | musca | Extras / Addons / extensions <activate> |
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| 19:17.13 | jmd | In view of recent revelations, it would be good if Iceweasel changed its default search engine. |
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| 19:18.17 | Samul_ | I don't understand |
| 19:18.28 | Samul_ | I didn't understand how to change language... |
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| 19:20.47 | jhutchins | jmd: Change it yourself, it's easy to do. |
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| 19:22.23 | mumpitze1 | jmd: change it to what and why? |
| 19:22.52 | jmcnaught | Samul_: if you're using Gnome, you can change the language for all applications (for your user account) by going to the "Language and Region" section of System Settings. Once you log back in, Iceweasel will be in the new language |
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| 19:23.18 | Samul_ | jmcnaught: mt system language is already italian |
| 19:23.25 | Samul_ | but not iceweasel |
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| 19:23.56 | mumpitze1 | Samul_: < musca> Extras / Addons / extensions <activate> |
| 19:23.57 | jmcnaught | Samul_: have you logged out and then back in since you installed the language pack? |
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| 19:24.17 | Samul_ | I installed language pack since I installed debian |
| 19:24.24 | Samul_ | I instelled it directly in italian |
| 19:24.57 | Samul_ | I'm going to log out another time |
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| 19:25.02 | Samul_ | maybe it will work.. |
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| 19:25.40 | Samul_ | I'm goint to return in a few seconds |
| 19:25.41 | jmcnaught | Samul_: can you activate the language pack directly inside Iceweasel? For me it's Tools>Addons>Languages |
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| 19:25.45 | sevenfourk | iceweasel 17 in testing :-) |
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| 19:26.17 | AliceLiddell | mews! |
| 19:27.03 | Samul_ | now it work |
| 19:27.05 | Samul_ | *works |
| 19:27.05 | AliceLiddell | I uninstalled vista for debian just now, I feel accomplished |
| 19:27.09 | Samul_ | thanks :D |
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| 19:29.34 | AliceLiddell | I bet most people in this chat only use Debian for servers or other uses than general web browsing / email but I'm probably wrong |
| 19:29.51 | zinx | you are, in fact, wrong |
| 19:29.56 | AliceLiddell | Ic |
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| 19:30.08 | AliceLiddell | I'm gonna shut up then idk what to say |
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| 19:34.12 | jelly-home | here, drink this potion with a "drink me" label |
| 19:34.26 | AliceLiddell | ffffffuuuuu |
| 19:34.35 | AliceLiddell | I choose that name as a name irl |
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| 19:35.30 | AliceLiddell | I already answered my own question |
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| 19:37.48 | Mike9863 | A bunch of my packages just got uninstalled when I ran an apt-get install without paying attention to the affected packages. It's removed almost all of GNOME and a bunch of other packages. Is there anything I can do to get them back? |
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| 19:38.20 | Quashie | is there a reason apt-get install won't work? |
| 19:38.23 | AliceLiddell | Did you uninstall python and then it broke gnome? I've done that |
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| 19:38.44 | jelly-home | !tell Mike9863 about install gnome |
| 19:38.50 | Mike9863 | Quashie: Well I get a bunch of broken dependencies when I try to install gnome again |
| 19:38.50 | AliceLiddell | I g2g pz |
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| 19:39.22 | jelly-home | Mike9863: have you at any point mixed releases? |
| 19:39.44 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 19:39.44 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:39.44 | Mike9863 | jelly-home: I have some packages from higher releases |
| 19:39.47 | jhutchins | puts a fiver on jelly-home |
| 19:39.51 | jelly-home | Mike9863: don't do that. |
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| 19:40.08 | SmashingX | Do you help with encryption here? |
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| 19:40.24 | SmashingX | I just have a question about private and public keys |
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| 19:40.28 | ompaul | SmashingX: do you have a full question so people can see if they know what you need to ask |
| 19:40.36 | jelly-home | SmashingX: if it runs on debian, we can try |
| 19:40.49 | robertzaccour | When going through the net install process with testing, it didn't give me the option to choose unstable. How do I install Sid? |
| 19:41.07 | robertzaccour | I had the imprression that the testing iso would give me the option to install Sid. |
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| 19:41.17 | robertzaccour | thanks in advance. |
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| 19:42.08 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell robertzaccour about sid faq |
| 19:42.28 | SmashingX | jelly-home (I'm using debian yes) I just tried Mailevelope for chrome to send an encrypted message, but in order for the receipient to decrypted it says it needs my private key? how can I suppose to give my private key if it's private!! |
| 19:43.01 | ompaul | the program needs your private but you need to publish your public |
| 19:43.18 | jelly-home | SmashingX: in general, you need the recipient's private key do decrypt |
| 19:43.28 | SmashingX | what?!@Q |
| 19:43.34 | SmashingX | isn't that private then? |
| 19:43.45 | ompaul | no its the public keys that are shared |
| 19:44.01 | SmashingX | ?! |
| 19:44.03 | ompaul | SmashingX: may I suggest that you look for a key exchange faq |
| 19:44.04 | SmashingX | I'm so confused |
| 19:44.13 | jelly-home | SmashingX: yes. The recipient keeps their private key private, and uses it to decrypt messages encrypted with their public key. |
| 19:44.50 | ompaul | SmashingX: simpler version everything you know is wrong, you publish your public key the recipient publishes theirs |
| 19:44.52 | SmashingX | ompaul says the public keys are shared and jelly-home says the private |
| 19:44.54 | jelly-home | SmashingX: what kind of encoding does Mailevelope use, S/MIME? PGP? |
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| 19:45.00 | jelly-home | SmashingX: I did not! |
| 19:45.09 | SmashingX | PGP |
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| 19:45.14 | ompaul | SmashingX: no GPG |
| 19:45.32 | jelly-home | ompaul: GPG is just one implementation of PGP! |
| 19:45.42 | robertzaccour | thanks jelly-home |
| 19:45.50 | SmashingX | wow |
| 19:45.55 | ompaul | jelly-home: and it is available on debian :) |
| 19:45.57 | SmashingX | this is confusing me even more |
| 19:46.09 | robertzaccour | jelly-home: If I'm understanding this correctly, in the /etc/apt/sources.list in whatever says jesse, I just highlight and change the word jesse to sid? |
| 19:46.24 | jelly-home | robertzaccour: that seems correct. |
| 19:46.32 | robertzaccour | ok thanks jelly-home |
| 19:46.38 | SmashingX | ok let's go step by step |
| 19:46.43 | ompaul | robertzaccour: and remove all but the first two lines - alternatively post your sources and we can clean them up |
| 19:46.44 | jelly-home | robertzaccour: if you meant "jessie" |
| 19:46.52 | SmashingX | 1. I generate the private and public keys right? |
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| 19:47.02 | SmashingX | 2. I send the email to my recepient |
| 19:47.22 | SmashingX | 3. I send (private/public) key to my recepient |
| 19:47.24 | jelly-home | SmashingX: 1.5 acquire recipient's public key |
| 19:47.31 | ompaul | SmashingX: you publish or someotherhow make your public key to the recepient |
| 19:47.38 | ompaul | available |
| 19:47.55 | jelly-home | SmashingX: you never send or show your private key to anyone |
| 19:47.55 | SmashingX | ok, so then ompaul I don't have to provide my private key right? |
| 19:48.04 | ompaul | I never did |
| 19:48.05 | jhutchins | SmashingX: If you encrypt it with your key, you use your private key and supply the public key to the recipient. |
| 19:48.17 | ompaul | I used to encrypt stuff but that got boring :) |
| 19:48.28 | jhutchins | SmashingX: If you have the recipient's public key, you can encrypt it with that and he will decrypt it with his private key. |
| 19:48.40 | SmashingX | ompaul: you have been watched by NSA :P |
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| 19:48.58 | jelly-home | SmashingX: who hasn't |
| 19:49.08 | jhutchins | SmashingX: The keys called private stay with the person who generated them, the ones called public are distributed. |
| 19:49.17 | robertzaccour | ok ompaul where do I go from here? http://pastebin.com/ggFPbYE0 |
| 19:49.29 | SmashingX | ok, so then my recepient can decrypt the message with the public key |
| 19:49.31 | robertzaccour | ompaul: And does capitalization matter? |
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| 19:49.55 | jhutchins | robertzaccour: Are you sure you're up to running sid? You shouldn't have to ask questions like this if you're planning to run it. |
| 19:50.02 | ompaul | SmashingX: here you go http://pgp.mit.edu/ part one and part two http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigmail the easiest way to do it |
| 19:50.11 | SmashingX | but what's the point then, if everybody can see the message and the public key, then everyone can decrypt the mssage, am I right? |
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| 19:50.22 | ompaul | robertzaccour: it matters and jhutchins is very right |
| 19:50.25 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Yes. |
| 19:50.35 | jhutchins | SmashingX: So you restrict distribution of the public key. |
| 19:50.36 | SmashingX | what?!!! so what's the point? |
| 19:50.36 | robertzaccour | jhutchins: If something goes wrong and I can't figure it out I'll just do a reinstall and try again. I'm fine with that :) |
| 19:50.54 | jelly-home | SmashingX: the recipient needs their own _private_ key do decrypt stuff |
| 19:50.54 | ompaul | SmashingX: send me a personally encrypted email ... using enigmail |
| 19:51.10 | jelly-home | this is incorrect <SmashingX> ok, so then my recepient can decrypt the message with the public key |
| 19:51.25 | jhutchins | SmashingX: For one thing, it verifies the identity of the sender. |
| 19:51.26 | SmashingX | ok let's try with ompaul |
| 19:51.26 | Samul_ | I'm going to quit |
| 19:51.27 | Samul_ | bye |
| 19:51.33 | SmashingX | what's your email ompaul? |
| 19:51.40 | verysoftoiletppr | I've added my ip to /etc/hosts.deny, then removed it, but I'm still denied. How to refresh? |
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| 19:52.05 | ompaul | SmashingX: no, I'm going to tell you what to do and you can (A) follow it or (B) not ... go read how to install enigmail on icedove and (C) put your key on a key server |
| 19:52.10 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: What protocol? |
| 19:52.18 | robertzaccour | ompaul: Is there anything else in that I need to change? Assuming I also need to change testing to unstable. |
| 19:52.23 | ompaul | SmashingX: I haven't got an active gpg key |
| 19:52.46 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins rpcbind: 192.168.1.3 <- that is what I added |
| 19:52.51 | ompaul | robertzaccour: do this paste in http://paste.debian.net the sources.list file please |
| 19:52.53 | verysoftoiletppr | can't connect to nfs neither sshd |
| 19:53.05 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: reload |
| 19:53.28 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: reload the servers. |
| 19:53.36 | SmashingX | damn |
| 19:53.46 | SmashingX | people say different things |
| 19:53.55 | ompaul | SmashingX: let me pm you a how to |
| 19:53.55 | SmashingX | some say yes some say no |
| 19:53.56 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Yep. |
| 19:54.08 | ompaul | SmashingX: and then you do exactly what it says |
| 19:54.13 | SmashingX | ok |
| 19:54.19 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins didn't work |
| 19:55.04 | robertzaccour | ompaul: Ok here's what I've got so far http://paste.debian.net/25140/ |
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| 19:55.40 | ompaul | robertzaccour: there is no need for teh security lines in SID it does not exist |
| 19:55.40 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: nfs server also needs mountd: and perhaps statd: services enabled |
| 19:55.42 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Try putting it in hosts.allow |
| 19:56.06 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins tried that, didn't work |
| 19:56.07 | ompaul | jhutchins: re oot it ;-) that way you know it got restarted :) |
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| 19:56.18 | jelly-home | jhutchins: tcp_wrappers library doesn't need service reload, it rereads the file on every connection |
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| 19:56.47 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Ok, wasn't sure what mechanism he was using, haven't used xinitd in a while. |
| 19:56.58 | robertzaccour | ompaul: ok http://paste.debian.net/25141/ |
| 19:57.09 | ompaul | SmashingX: it is really as simple as that pm or as complex, that's step one - second part is install enigmail on icedove |
| 19:57.22 | jhutchins | Then again nfs and sshd don't use xinetd. |
| 19:57.40 | jelly-home | jhutchins: inetd, and it's not used. These services have compiled in support for tcpwrappers. |
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| 19:58.05 | SmashingX | ompaul: but I'm using Mailvelope |
| 19:58.16 | ompaul | robertzaccour: no this http://paste.debian.net/25142/ |
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| 19:58.36 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: eg. http://paste.debian.net/25143/ |
| 19:58.40 | ompaul | robertzaccour: I would have thought you would have known (if you want to use sid) that a # was a commented out line |
| 19:58.52 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, so there is no 7.1 live image correct? |
| 19:58.57 | Scriptonaut | all I can find is 7.0 |
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| 19:59.20 | jhutchins | !live |
| 19:59.21 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:59.22 | ompaul | SmashingX: so ... I don't know that and am not going to even look at it ... you will get the idea if you set the other up then you can work out what your package needs / wants etc |
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| 19:59.36 | robertzaccour | ompaul: Ok thanks. I'll update until it breaks, try to figure it out, then reinstall if I can't :P |
| 19:59.49 | ompaul | robertzaccour: strongly suggest you don't use SID if you don't even know that |
| 20:00.17 | jhutchins | robertzaccour: sid is not intended as a working relesae. |
| 20:00.48 | robertzaccour | ompaul: But if it breaks couldn't I just do a reinstall and when I install that package again it will be fixed? |
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| 20:04.48 | verysoftoiletppr | jelly-home that works, but I don't understand. It gets blocked when I remove it from the file. Even though hosts.deny is empty now |
| 20:05.34 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: yes, the default is to deny everything |
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| 20:05.50 | verysoftoiletppr | jelly-home but it wasn't like that before |
| 20:05.58 | jelly-home | hrm |
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| 20:06.30 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: no idea then. I might be wrong about that default, just noticed it's my hosts.deny that has an ALL: ALL line |
| 20:06.35 | marsje | G{uy|irl}s, hope you can help me. I put debian 7 with xfce4 on someone's laptop. It worked fine. Then I go give these folks their new laptop back, boot it up and end up with a black screen when X starts. I found out that it boots up fine when I connect it to my LAN wired, but when wired LAN is disconnected, it hangs... what's wrong? |
| 20:06.35 | marsje | never really understood how the Network Manager in X works together with the /etc/network/interfaces stuff... but I guess I did not configure it right. Nevertheless I don't expect it to hang forever with a black screen when there is no network... |
| 20:07.27 | verysoftoiletppr | jelly-home my hosts.deny has nothing and I can't access anything |
| 20:07.30 | verysoftoiletppr | :( |
| 20:07.39 | ido1 | @marsje: up to 60seconds i thought? |
| 20:08.22 | marsje | ido1: not sure how long I waited... I can try again and time it |
| 20:08.29 | marsje | it seemed forever... |
| 20:08.54 | jmcnaught | marsje: Network Manager ignores any interface that is defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.57 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: is it an empty file or does it not exist at all? |
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| 20:09.13 | verysoftoiletppr | jelly-home empty, with the comments |
| 20:09.13 | robertzaccour | Upgrading and about to take my first reboot into Sid :) |
| 20:09.18 | jmcnaught | marsje: so you could look in there, and if eth0 or wlan0 is defined try commenting it out |
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| 20:09.22 | jelly-home | verysoftoiletppr: weird. |
| 20:09.50 | marsje | jmcnaught: but still I expect X to boot and give me a usable desktop without network |
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| 20:11.08 | marsje | indeed, after about 1 minute it gives me a login screen |
| 20:11.18 | jmcnaught | marsje: that's a pretty reasonable expectaction. have you found anything in the logs? |
| 20:11.40 | ido1 | marsje: dmesg | grep wlan0 |
| 20:11.48 | verysoftoiletppr | jelly-home it seems like comments are not being respected.. |
| 20:11.49 | Scriptonaut | I'm curious how you guys write an image to a usb drive from windows |
| 20:11.51 | Scriptonaut | unetbootin seems to break it |
| 20:11.59 | marsje | jmcnaught: not sure which log I'm supposed to look in, since it seems like X or the session manager hangs, but it's network related... |
| 20:12.02 | Scriptonaut | and win32 image writer corrupts the drive every time |
| 20:12.06 | Wulframn | Is there a room for questions concerning sid? |
| 20:12.35 | Wulframn | Scriptonaut, linux live loader is an option |
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| 20:13.08 | Scriptonaut | Wulframn, thanks I'll check it out |
| 20:13.27 | marsje | ido1: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 20:13.32 | robertzaccour | Man I've got skin tags growing out all over the place :-/ |
| 20:14.00 | robertzaccour | Scriptonaut: Unetbootin? |
| 20:14.05 | jmcnaught | marsje: it's probably one of your interfaces is defined in /etc/network/interfaces. comment out the sections for eth0 and wlan0 (leave lo0 alone though) |
| 20:14.09 | Scriptonaut | it's a usb image writer |
| 20:14.13 | Scriptonaut | it was always my favorite |
| 20:14.16 | Scriptonaut | but it breaks wheezy |
| 20:14.30 | Scriptonaut | win32 disk imager breaks the drive into two images |
| 20:14.33 | Scriptonaut | two partitions* |
| 20:14.41 | Scriptonaut | one for the image, and one for the remaining space |
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| 20:14.47 | marsje | jmcnaught: let me try |
| 20:14.49 | robertzaccour | Ok time to reboot into Sid for the first time :) |
| 20:14.50 | Scriptonaut | so now it thinks my usb drive is only 490KB or so |
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| 20:16.02 | Aliekzhi | what is the difference beetweem debian mint and debian ? |
| 20:16.12 | jmcnaught | marsje: you can also pastebin your interfaces file if you want us to double check it's correct |
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| 20:16.56 | marsje | jmcnaught: well, it's ok... it's not connected to network and I'm on other computer now :) |
| 20:17.05 | marsje | jmcnaught: seems to boot up without delay now |
| 20:17.38 | jmcnaught | marsje: hopefully no more surprises when you return it to your friends :) |
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| 20:19.05 | Wulframn | I have previous experience with Debian stable and am familiar with Debian variants. I am a Gentoo user now, but I am considering trying Debian's sid (unstable). Is sid comparable to Arch and Gentoo in terms of stability(lol) and "bleeding edge"? |
| 20:19.46 | Aliekzhi | Wulframn, sorry it doesn't answer your question, but did you try mint debian ? |
| 20:20.10 | marsje | jmcnaught: kinda looked like a fool... grrr. Anyway, just testing it now with and with cable connected and it seems to work, including wireless... so a couple of ### fixed it |
| 20:20.33 | ompaul | Wulframn: no. No notes available. There is no rolling in SID there is sine wave of change toward a low point of stable and then it gets all unstable again |
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| 20:20.59 | Wulframn | Aliekzhi, I assume that is related to the Linux Mint project, which I admire but am uninterested in. |
| 20:21.04 | ompaul | Aliekzhi: if you want to do that please don't do it here, we can't support it. |
| 20:21.06 | marsje | jmcnaught: I guess this was the result of how I installed debian... first the base system, which uses /etc/network/interfaces, then installed xfce4, which uses NetworkManager |
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| 20:21.47 | Aliekzhi | ompaul, just asking what is the difference, I have no intention to install it.Just information question |
| 20:21.52 | Wulframn | ompaul, so it starts off crazy unstable, works toward what becomes Debian's stable, then goes back to crazy unstable? |
| 20:21.55 | marsje | jmcnaught: not sure if I can install debian with a desktop setup right away? |
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| 20:22.23 | ompaul | Wulframn: kind of but there are blips and crazy is not a word I'd associate with Debian |
| 20:23.03 | jmcnaught | marsje: yeah you can install a desktop environment during the initiall install. the default is Gnome, but you can select alternatives at the boot menu of the installer disc |
| 20:23.19 | Wulframn | ompaul, I am using crazy because I'm being hyperbolic. I'm interested in migrating to Debian because of the stability rightly associated with all of its phases. |
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| 20:23.29 | canningam | hi |
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| 20:24.10 | ompaul | Wulframn: well it will almost never install the package the day after the upstream releases it - it could be days or if a freeze is in place months |
| 20:24.17 | marsje | jmcnaught: ok, I was not sure about it... does it matter if it's a live cd or a normal installation cd? |
| 20:24.24 | marsje | jmcnaught: I used the live one |
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| 20:24.43 | ompaul | Wulframn: so it's more about rate of change sometimes it's on the edge other times it's more than one might like away |
| 20:24.59 | Wulframn | ompaul, I'm primarily curious as to how close to the bleeding edge it is. Arch and especially Gentoo have spoiled me. |
| 20:25.11 | Wulframn | I see |
| 20:25.25 | canningam | i've a problem with HDMI1 (from xrandr). I managed to have 2 monitors enabled but i cant redirect the sound to the HDMI (a TV) . I've tried gstreamer-properties but the "Device" choice is disabled. I'm using openbox on debian wheezy. any hints ? |
| 20:25.27 | jmcnaught | Wulframn: I used Debian sid/unstable on my desktop for about a year, until Wheezy was released. There were a few hiccups, but my biggest problem was just there were so many updates to do every day. I'm really liking Wheezy, but I'll admit it's taken me a while to get over the shiny new stuff syndrome |
| 20:25.29 | ompaul | Wulframn: then you won't be happy, we had 4.8.4 kde for a long time before the release so there you go |
| 20:25.57 | ompaul | Wulframn: cos teh shiny is not really what debian is about |
| 20:26.03 | Wulframn | lol |
| 20:26.04 | ompaul | Wulframn: cos teh working is |
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| 20:26.11 | jmcnaught | marsje: i was talking about the regular installer. i've never installed from a live cd |
| 20:26.17 | ompaul | where working = working together |
| 20:26.20 | Wulframn | I think I'll just give it a try. |
| 20:26.28 | marsje | jmcnaught: I think the live cd has a different boot menu |
| 20:26.40 | marsje | jmcnaught: so I guess I made a mistake by using that one |
| 20:27.23 | Wulframn | I have to reinstall Gentoo anyway. I'll try Debian unstable for a week or two and if I can't stand it I'll switch back. =P |
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| 20:27.41 | jmcnaught | marsje: installing the base system first is a perfectly fine way of doing things. you just have to remember to edit /etc/network/interfaces if you switch to using network manager (which comes with gnome, xfce, kde and probably others) |
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| 20:29.36 | jmcnaught | marsje: if you've never used it, give the regular debian installer a try in a virtual machine. it's pretty easy to learn |
| 20:29.58 | marsje | jmcnaught: yeah, but I found out some other things I had to do manually, like enable the volume thingy and enabling the update notifier |
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| 20:30.54 | marsje | jmcnaught: thanks to debian's nice way of upgrading I don't need the installer cd so often :) When I need it, it's often for rescue purposes and then the live cd is better |
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| 20:37.49 | jhutchins | Wulframn: It's not intended as a working release. |
| 20:38.22 | jhutchins | Wulframn: It's not just a regular release with bleeding edge package, it's a staging repo for stuff going into testing. |
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| 20:43.01 | Wulframn | jhutchins, I'll probably just be working in testing as I'm not a developer |
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| 20:45.02 | Aliekzhi | does debian dvd has more chance to work than debian cd when it stay stuck at "detecting network interface" ? |
| 20:45.32 | Aliekzhi | lspci -v : http://pastebin.com/Uit6FpuZ |
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| 20:48.56 | jhutchins | Wulframn: Testing is allowed to be broken and to stay that way until a fix instead of a workaround is found. |
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| 20:52.03 | Aliekzhi | does testing has more chance to install when stable fail ? |
| 20:52.15 | Aliekzhi | I mean jessie/wheezy) |
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| 20:53.18 | Aliekzhi | I love this channel, never have any answer even after a few hours |
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| 20:54.23 | SparkyFlary | how much money did Linus make off of Linux besides awards? |
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| 20:54.57 | ctmjr | SparkyFlary: your a troll go away |
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| 20:55.34 | sc_ | ctmjr: you're |
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| 20:56.13 | sc_ | http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/linus-torvalds-net-worth/ |
| 20:56.17 | sc_ | eat your heart out SparkyFlary |
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| 20:57.24 | SparkyFlary | oh thanks |
| 20:57.38 | jmcnaught | Aliekzhi: the DVD isn't any more likely than the CD to work. if it's a firmware issue, there is an .iso of the netinstall that includes non-free firmware. that might work |
| 20:58.29 | SparkyFlary | he makes his money off of a business which makes it money off of linux? |
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| 20:59.04 | sc_ | SparkyFlary: google |
| 20:59.11 | Aliekzhi | jmcnaught, thx, will try this :) |
| 20:59.18 | SparkyFlary | right ok |
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| 21:04.02 | jmcnaught | Aliekzhi: see also: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en for more info about firmware |
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| 21:10.35 | nutron | is there a channel for deb-multimedia questions? |
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| 21:14.31 | rule2 | is it possible to mount an hfs filesystem without the permissions in the way? |
| 21:14.49 | rule2 | I ddrescue'd an image of an hfs partition, but i can't get into specific directories due to lack of proper permissions when I mount it |
| 21:15.27 | musca | rule2: how do you mount it? |
| 21:15.31 | koollman | if you can mount it, can't you access it as root ? |
| 21:15.48 | rule2 | i'm trying to mount it so I can access it via a public samba share |
| 21:16.03 | rule2 | just mount -t hfsplus /imagefile.img /home/rule/hfsdirectory |
| 21:16.26 | Aliekzhi | jmcnaught, but how to use that firmware package before having debian installed ? (cause installer crash even with netinstall) |
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| 21:17.44 | rule2 | I can actually mount it and check it as root, but not via the public samba network share. |
| 21:17.47 | rule2 | hmm |
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| 21:20.43 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: This channel is just fellow users. |
| 21:21.22 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: The installer won't crash just because it doesn't find the firmware, it will complete the install without it - but not if it's a netinstall without the nic drivers. |
| 21:21.43 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: Remember, running the installer is one of the least frequent things we do - most of it do it once. |
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| 21:22.55 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, does "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso" has more chances to work ? |
| 21:23.05 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: As far as testing completing better, no. For one thing, the installer is one of the last components to be worked on, and this early in development they recommend installing wheezy and upgrading rather than trying the testing installer. |
| 21:23.42 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, you mean 7.1 = testing ? |
| 21:23.49 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: I would think so. Be sure to test the md5sum of the iso file and verify the burn. |
| 21:24.02 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: No, testing is 8.x |
| 21:24.03 | babilen | nutron: no |
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| 21:24.22 | nutron | babilen: thanks |
| 21:24.40 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, well with 7.1 amd64 and 7.1-netinstall-amd64 it doesn't work |
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| 21:24.48 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: If it's actually crashing, it's most likely a bad installer image. |
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| 21:25.06 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, old cdrw...no other cd / dvd avalable to burn |
| 21:25.34 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: That's ok, just verify that the md5sum of the disk matches the iso and the sum at the server. |
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| 21:26.14 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, how ? |
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| 21:26.41 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: The burner program in windows should have a "verify" option, and there are md5sums to check the iso in windows. |
| 21:26.45 | babilen | nutron: IIRC they had a mailing list, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend using that repo anyway |
| 21:27.02 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: In linux just md5sum X.iso, md5sum /path/to/cd/dev |
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| 21:27.30 | jhutchins | nutron: deb-multimedia is one guy. |
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| 21:27.51 | AliceLiddell | can anybody help me, my emoticons look like blocks |
| 21:27.54 | nutron | babilen: the only way I can provide acroread ... it's a mandatory requirement as all of the pdf viewers fail miserably on certain files... |
| 21:28.13 | AliceLiddell | ~(=^‥^)ノ |
| 21:28.16 | jhutchins | nutron: He single-handedly made debian a viable desktop distro for many people for years, and now the debian devs are having a snit about him. |
| 21:28.18 | AliceLiddell | oh maybe its chromium |
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| 21:28.35 | nutron | Yep, I know heh, been around the block for over a decade. |
| 21:28.41 | AliceLiddell | (=ＴェＴ=) yup |
| 21:28.58 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, if md5sum is ok and cd still crash, would it have more chance with 32bits installer ? |
| 21:29.10 | jhutchins | nutron: can you still get it from Adobe? |
| 21:29.17 | nutron | But at this point I'm trying to preseed an install and it requires the public key via http... can't find it atm. |
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| 21:29.34 | nutron | jhutchins: I have no clue, I'm trying to automate the installs. |
| 21:29.40 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: Might. You could also do hardware check. Reseat all cards and cables and run memtest. |
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| 21:32.23 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, 32 bits netinstall would have more chance not to freeze than 32 bits normal install ? |
| 21:32.35 | jhutchins | nutron: http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/deb-multimedia-keyring/deb-multimedia-keyring_2012.05.10-dmo4_all.deb |
| 21:32.57 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: It's worth a try. |
| 21:33.21 | nutron | jhutchins: indeed I know about the package, but the preseed looks like it wants the key from an http target in plaintext.... Unless I misunderstood the instructions. |
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| 21:34.24 | jhutchins | Oh - it wants the KEY as a key file, not a deb package. So disect the package and grab the key. |
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| 21:34.38 | MacRookie | how does one start the graphical (advanced mode) installer on the debian 7.0 amd64 kde live dvd? |
| 21:35.30 | jBsh | hello everybody!, anybody know if is possible virtualize a physical drive with qemu? by example my windows /dev/sda1? |
| 21:35.37 | jhutchins | nutron: Failing that, I've known Christien to be very curteous and responsive to email. |
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| 21:36.22 | nutron | jhutchins: yeah, thought of that, just got confused on pubkey vs binary vs... I don't know what.... |
| 21:36.29 | nutron | I'll try that. |
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| 21:37.03 | jhutchins | jBsh: You could probably do it with clonezilla, but qemu probably has it's own tools. |
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| 21:39.33 | jBsh | jhutchins there is no additional parameter or something? |
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| 21:42.31 | lampclip | I restarted my system and my display manager isn't starting. I've tried starting both gdm3 and lightdm but my monitor only shows a black screen. I tried running startx, but then I get this error: "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0". Can anyone help? |
| 21:43.08 | jesther | lampclip: try Alt+F#. |
| 21:43.55 | jBsh | WilliamDotSI the od command show you the output of a file in octal... |
| 21:44.09 | snollux | If I've got a DPKG that requires certain Python modules, how can I list these python modules as dependencies? Or check for them during installation, and cancel if they aren't there? |
| 21:44.14 | lampclip | jesther: I swithed to tty1 to run those commands, but when I switch back to my display tty it only shows a black screen with a blinking cursor |
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| 21:45.39 | jesther | No command? It should be automatic. |
| 21:46.18 | jesther | Check your drivers for your video card. |
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| 22:15.56 | tremon | lampclip: have you tried running without xorg.conf(.d)? |
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| 22:20.58 | lampclip | tremon: I'm reinstalling my video driver right now and plan on generating a new xorg once it's done. Hopefully that will work. |
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| 22:28.12 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 22:28.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:29.13 | tremon | lampclip: unless you're running an ancient (and hence unsupported) version of debian, you don't need an xorg.conf at all |
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| 22:37.17 | ntiy | Hi all. I am working with some interactive script in shell (it's an install script, I need to answer questions here and there) and I want to save all the output into file for future reference. How do I do it for interactive session? Will "./install > output" work? |
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| 22:39.31 | snollux | If I've got a .deb package that requires certain Python modules, how can I list these python modules as dependencies? Or check for them during installation, and cancel if they aren't there? |
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| 22:42.20 | Nik05 | snollux in the deb packages you can add dependencies |
| 22:42.52 | Nik05 | or make a meta package |
| 22:42.54 | snollux | Right, but does that apply to just actual binary packages you have installed, or to the python mymodule |
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| 22:47.04 | ntiy | found it: ./install | tee outfile |
| 22:47.12 | abrotman | snollux: do the python modules exist as packages already? |
| 22:47.25 | snollux | abrotman: usually they come from pip, I think |
| 22:47.30 | snollux | like pip install module, etc |
| 22:47.39 | snollux | so I don't know how to check that via DPKG style mechanisms |
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| 22:48.05 | snollux | they aren't in apt or anything on their own, typically |
| 22:48.45 | abrotman | snollux: then you'd package those dependencies also :) |
| 22:49.03 | abrotman | snollux: or ask #debian-python on irc.oftc.net (or possibly #debian-mentors on OFTC) |
| 22:49.15 | snollux | ok thanks! |
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| 22:49.43 | snollux | I don't know if in the rules script I could have a python shell check whether those dependencies exist |
| 22:49.48 | snollux | and quit if it doesn't exist |
| 22:50.11 | Nameless | how can i get rid of xfce4? removed every package but lightdm keeps me login with xfce |
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| 22:51.21 | milardovich | Hello guys. I have both Debian and Vista installed on my laptop. I didn't do anything special in the last days but I just figured out that my "documents" partition seems to be full the whole time in Debian but I have 10gbs free on Vista. Any suggestions? |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | it's NTFS |
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| 22:52.41 | abrotman | Nameless: did you remove the xfce metapckage? |
| 22:52.53 | berarma | Nameless: pastebin the output from dpkg -l "xfce*" |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | (might be interested in xf* actually) |
| 22:54.00 | berarma | I don't think they're important for the session |
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| 22:55.04 | abrotman | not sure how xfwm fits in there |
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| 22:56.12 | thowe | is iptables standard equipment in Debian? |
| 22:56.42 | abrotman | judd: info iptables --release wheezy |
| 22:56.43 | judd | Package iptables (net, important) in wheezy/i386: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. Version: 1.4.14-3.1; Size: 378.1k; Installed: 1201k; Homepage: http://www.netfilter.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iptables |
| 22:56.50 | abrotman | It's marked as |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | It's marked as "important", it's likely to be installed on most systems |
| 22:57.13 | thowe | is it a module, or just built into the kernel? |
| 22:57.16 | abrotman | There are no default rules |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | thowe: you can look, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:57.49 | thowe | abrotman, thank you |
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| 22:58.56 | thowe | abrotman, does "m" mean it is a module? |
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| 22:59.20 | thowe | CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
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| 23:00.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:01.04 | Nameless | berarma: pastebin.com/DE3ETpgR |
| 23:01.07 | abrotman | 'n' means No, Yes means built-in |
| 23:01.10 | Nameless | abrotman: yes |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | erm ,.. 'y' |
| 23:01.16 | abrotman | Nameless: what? |
| 23:01.33 | Nameless | 00:52 < abrotman> Nameless: did you remove the xfce metapckage? yes |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 23:02.01 | abrotman | xfce4-session still exists |
| 23:02.08 | abrotman | it seems like you removed the metapackage incorrectly |
| 23:03.37 | Nameless | and i can't understand why i can't login with E17 |
| 23:04.22 | Nameless | lolk removed xfce4-session and now i can't login |
| 23:04.23 | Nameless | :P |
| 23:04.25 | Nameless | thanks |
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| 23:07.07 | abrotman | Nameless: which version of Debian? |
| 23:08.39 | Nameless | sid |
| 23:10.18 | ball999 | which is good ftp client already installed in debian or to install? |
| 23:10.48 | sc_ | ball999: lftp |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | ball999: 'ftp' |
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| 23:11.23 | ball999 | is it preinstalled inwheezy? |
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| 23:11.35 | ball999 | is there build in ftp client in terminal? |
| 23:11.38 | ball999 | I can use in termninal |
| 23:12.03 | abrotman | didn't we just cover this? |
| 23:12.07 | mtn | ball999: man ftp |
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| 23:17.42 | ball999 | why it says ssl required |
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| 23:17.52 | ball999 | ftp server i using ssl how to connect to it? |
| 23:18.00 | ball999 | I have user and pass but it asks for ssl |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | so use ssl |
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