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| 00:00.20 | Nameless | hi there |
| 00:00.40 | Nameless | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-2-686-pae" is not a valid path to the |
| 00:00.41 | Nameless | 3.10-2-686-pae kernel headers. |
| 00:00.55 | Nameless | Im trying to install vmware tools without luck. |
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| 00:03.38 | arare | buenas noches |
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| 00:04.43 | L-sama | buena* |
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| 00:22.49 | crumb | what's the package 'gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi' called in debian? |
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| 00:24.17 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnueabi |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | like that? |
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| 00:26.36 | crumb | oh, i have to include embedian in source.lst |
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| 00:27.24 | crumb | emdebian* |
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| 00:27.42 | abrotman | dunno, ask them |
| 00:28.02 | crumb | who |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 00:28.53 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:29.12 | crumb | oh, oftc |
| 00:29.14 | crumb | thanks |
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| 00:57.14 | Plastico | semeion: i answered ya, sorry |
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| 00:59.18 | james41382 | Is there a way to change the uuid of a partition? |
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| 01:01.04 | james41382 | I am trying to move my /boot from one usb drive to another and I am having a bit of trouble. I made an ext2 partition on the new drive, marked it bootable and copied over all the data. I edited fstab and made a duplicate line like the one for the current usb drive, but changed the uuid to the uuid of this new drive. I rebooted and unplugged the current usb drive and tried to boot with the new one, but it didn't work. |
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| 01:06.25 | pederindi | james41382: you can change the uuid for the /dev/___ |
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| 01:09.50 | jesther | james41382: Run grub and insert the configs you have. Manually editing doesn't sound like it'll be compatible while booting. |
| 01:10.06 | james41382 | pederindi: Okay I was able to change it with tune2fs. |
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| 01:11.09 | james41382 | jesther: I used nautilus as root to copy and paste all the files from /boot to /media/usbboot, but /boot has like 275 mb and /media/usbboot only has 133. |
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| 01:11.34 | jesther | Mrm. |
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| 01:12.00 | cbt998 | hi, i have multiple nic's and have multipe ip adresses in the same subnet connected to several other machines, i want to send and receive traffic seperate per nic, for some reason inbound is working fine but outbound the debian machine still uses one default nic, is there a way to manipulate this? |
| 01:13.05 | james41382 | Is there a better way to copy all the data from /boot to /media/usbboot? |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | cp ? |
| 01:14.14 | pederindi | rsync -a |
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| 01:15.05 | pederindi | if is not having hard links, soft links... |
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| 01:19.46 | james41382 | Is this wierd? http://paste.debian.net/25726/ |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | which part? |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | the timestamps? |
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| 01:21.31 | james41382 | abrotman: well there are less files in one than the other, but I copied so the amount of files and size should be the same right? |
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| 01:22.43 | james41382 | cbt998: route add default gw <gw ip here> <adapter here> or route del default gw <gw ip here> <adapter here> you can use route to change that stuff. |
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| 01:23.25 | abrotman | sees the same number of files |
| 01:24.02 | james41382 | abrotman: when i look at the partitions in gparted one has 275 mb and the other has 103 |
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| 01:24.41 | abrotman | that could be all sorts of reasons |
| 01:25.03 | james41382 | abrotman: you think i should just have a go and see if i can boot off the new usb? |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | also, did you compare the contents of grub/ ? |
| 01:25.06 | cbt998 | james41382: to be clear, all ip's are local it is only that the destination A needs to go trough eth1 and destination B trough eth2 where destination A and B are 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 |
| 01:26.02 | james41382 | cbt998: but you can change with adapter you send data out through regardless of the network. |
| 01:26.07 | james41382 | the* |
| 01:27.10 | james41382 | abrotman: same number of files and same size for both /grub |
| 01:27.11 | cbt998 | james41382: then why do i need to set a "default gw" ? at the moment i don't even have that set |
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| 01:28.04 | james41382 | cbt998: if you don't have a default gw set i don't think you can send data out |
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| 01:28.35 | cbt998 | james41382: sure i can, it's all local traffic |
| 01:29.28 | james41382 | cbt998: sorry trying to multitask. |
| 01:29.36 | james41382 | i'm going to try this. |
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| 01:32.04 | numb95 | hi I need some help for buying new laptop |
| 01:32.31 | numb95 | i search the net and found a cheap but poweful fujitsu laptop |
| 01:32.36 | numb95 | any idea about it? |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | numb95: what OS do you want to run on it? |
| 01:33.17 | numb95 | exactly I'm a debian user |
| 01:33.31 | numb95 | so i should intall it |
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| 01:34.15 | numb95 | abrotman: i just want to know how it's hardware support free software |
| 01:35.07 | numb95 | abrotman: before that i had a MSI ,and nothing even DVD writer not working on GNU |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | how would we know? |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | you've given us nothing to work with |
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| 01:36.06 | numb95 | abrotman: hmm,It's fujitsu s761 |
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| 01:38.57 | xkosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.57 | xkosh | in elisp, inside of emacs, and after 2 seconds, KDE pops up not a web |
| 01:38.57 | xkosh | browser, but GWenView, an imaging program with a lovely amber scince |
| 01:39.02 | xkosh | fiction work of art |
| 01:39.07 | xkosh | sry |
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| 01:40.44 | xkosh | i wont paste like that next time, but isnt that something? the whole passing of the url to http request to extraction of the image to a viewer running on my machine was invisible and took less than 5 seconds |
| 01:40.51 | gnarface | numb95: its probably fine |
| 01:41.41 | gnarface | numb95: the video card and sound card in that laptop look supported as far as i can tell, if you have any problems they will likely be with the wifi +bluetooth devices |
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| 01:44.45 | abrotman | looks like it uses iwlagn |
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| 01:45.39 | tgs3 | what it is with recent outbursts of users pasting bolded "I" into IRC like < xkosh> I... is that some quirk in some xterm or irc bouncer |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | i'ts your client |
| 01:47.16 | tgs3 | irssi, but the characters is inserted by certain users somehow |
| 01:47.36 | cafuego | It's a tab - ^I that your client interprets as a format char. |
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| 02:04.07 | cbt998 | i have a debian machine with 2 disks, first one has an OS and the second one had one too, i need to wipe the second disk clean to format it and mount it but everything i try i just cannot clean it, it says: "/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" i repartitioned the disk and even did a zero fill using dd command, any idea how i can wipe that disk clean to start using it? |
| 02:04.41 | SirLagz | use gparted to delete all the partitions ? |
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| 02:06.03 | cbt998 | i used fdisk |
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| 02:07.07 | Brigo | cbt998: did you try to umount it? |
| 02:07.21 | cbt998 | already unmounted |
| 02:07.26 | cbt998 | not even in use |
| 02:08.07 | SirLagz | and you wrote zeros to the whle hard drive ? |
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| 02:08.17 | cbt998 | yes |
| 02:08.27 | cbt998 | to /dev/sdb |
| 02:08.32 | cbt998 | not sdb1 |
| 02:08.33 | Brigo | so there is a very extrage problem. Try to go to rescue -sigle- mode to avoid extrage programs to run. |
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| 02:10.38 | SirLagz | cbt998: did you delete all the partitions, write the changes, and then recreate them ? |
| 02:12.21 | Brigo | cbt998: i was googling the output and finded this: Well, I figured it out. After trying hundreds of different commands. I found out that it thought this device was in a RAID array and keeping the drive open. |
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| 02:13.41 | Brigo | cbt998: this is the link: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667317 follow the big yellow words. |
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| 02:17.16 | cbt998 | Brigo: thank you! |
| 02:17.28 | cbt998 | works fine! |
| 02:17.35 | Brigo | cbt998: thanks google ;-) |
| 02:18.32 | cbt998 | weird, did not find this websites |
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| 02:21.52 | Brigo | i search for: is apparently in use bythe system; will not make a filesystem here!" |
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| 02:29.05 | newbiee | I'd like to know the command to change extension of all .zip files in current directory to .rar. what should I type in terminal |
| 02:29.35 | newbiee | will mv *.zip *.rar work? |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | man rename |
| 02:30.18 | xkosh | http://al3xatpc.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cropped-kill1.png |
| 02:30.20 | newbiee | ok ty |
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| 03:01.48 | foolz | did anyone know why qt app will only use oxygen icon theme, under xfce? everything else about theme seem work, except for this |
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| 03:22.31 | hazardous | hi |
| 03:22.57 | HeavyMetal | Hi anyone know how to get the ECDSA SSHFP using this command? ssh-keygen -r <host> -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key |
| 03:23.10 | HeavyMetal | ehen ever I try it it says "export_dns_rr: unsupported algorithm" |
| 03:23.14 | MrKeuner | hello, installed debian 7.1 on a beaglebone, but itlacks basic tools such as ifconfig. Is there a meta package that I can use to install most basic tools? |
| 03:23.24 | HeavyMetal | when* |
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| 03:26.53 | MrKeuner | or how can I list meta packages that include ifconfig? |
| 03:27.12 | MrKeuner | assuming ifconfig is the package name as well |
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| 03:29.50 | aypea[1] | trying to create apt preferences so that testing, unstable and experimental packages never risk getting pulled in accidentally whilst their repos remain in sources.list. I've got http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a2b34662/ as a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d but it's not working. |
| 03:30.04 | aypea[1] | everything comes back as pri 500 according to apt-cache policy :/ |
| 03:30.29 | aypea[1] | can't figure out what he's doing wrong there. :/ |
| 03:31.08 | aypea[1] | sigh |
| 03:31.13 | aypea[1] | whitespace sensitive. |
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| 03:34.45 | BenNZ | aypea[1]: not sure why you have -1000 when -10 would do , also i wouldnt recommend using testing/unstable/experimental on what i assume is stable |
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| 03:36.52 | chattr | aypea[1]: what did you name the file in preferences.d/ ? |
| 03:37.06 | aypea[1] | bendz: paranoia. :) also it's more for quickly seeing version numbers for any packages I want to backport myself. so I don't really want to install them but policy lookups are a win. |
| 03:37.16 | aypea[1] | chattr: blah.pref - that's fine. it was the indentation that bit. |
| 03:37.31 | chattr | ahh, ok |
| 03:38.01 | rryoumaa | would it be possible to have a better solution? for example, somehow making apt-policy use an augmented source.list or something? |
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| 03:38.45 | rryoumaa | that does sound useful, is what i am saying. it's just that it seems like using a powerful and error-prone tool to do the job. |
| 03:38.55 | BenNZ | aypea[1]: http://paste.debian.net/25753/ is my preferences file , but im using testing |
| 03:39.35 | aypea[1] | bendz: yeah. you didn't do any indenting. the preferences file is very... nonstandard in this. it breaks on things other config files don't tend to break on. |
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| 03:51.29 | acu | I almost got stupid - to access cups remotely I need to type IPaddress:631 --- I know I need to change something in /etc/cups/cups.conf but I forgot what exactly access I need to mention |
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| 03:52.58 | acu | !cups |
| 03:52.58 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:56.29 | hazardous | does anyone know how i can access ssh again i did `kill -9` on the sshd to restart it but it disconnected my ssh session and now i cant connect |
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| 04:00.31 | epitamizor | restart the sshd service |
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| 04:01.48 | hazardous | i cant. |
| 04:01.52 | hazardous | it disconnected my ssh session |
| 04:01.59 | hazardous | and now i cant connect |
| 04:02.00 | epitamizor | if ftp is open drop a cron job to restart sshd |
| 04:02.44 | hazardous | i have ftp but it's a chroot |
| 04:02.47 | hazardous | dammit |
| 04:02.51 | Rusty1 | telnet? |
| 04:02.54 | hazardous | what's telnet |
| 04:03.09 | hazardous | if i force a power cycle via my power strip's web interface, will ssh restart on boot? |
| 04:03.37 | Rusty1 | !telnet |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | telnet is probably an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. Very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using Secure Shell instead, ask me about <ssh>. There's also telnet-ssl - which has encryption and certificates support - but is useless without a remote telnetd-ssl or HTTPS server. See also <qotd44>. |
| 04:04.26 | hazardous | oh.. i dont even have telnet client installed |
| 04:05.52 | Rusty1 | telnet ip.of.the.server ?, hopefully it wont/will work |
| 04:06.22 | epitamizor | unless you have some other known exploit for remote access |
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| 04:52.17 | chovy | nkuttler: what is the rox project? |
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| 05:02.10 | james41382 | I am getting an error about a missing file when trying run a program. I checked with apt-file and installed the package that I believe should contain the missing library, but I'm still getting the same error. |
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| 05:18.12 | CountryfiedLinux | Is Debian Testing a rolling release? |
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| 05:33.40 | cafuego | CountryfiedLinux: Of sorts |
| 05:33.42 | bullgard4 | http://macmost.com/forum-can-inactive-memory-be-converted-to-free-memory.html: »“Inactive memory” is defined as: “information in memory is not actively being used, but was recently used.”« <-- Is this an authoritative definition for Debian too? |
| 05:34.22 | cafuego | CountryfiedLinux: If you want to run a specific version, use the codename for that release in your sources... then you want magically stay on testing, but will be on stable when the new release comes out. |
| 05:34.42 | cafuego | bullgard4: Not really |
| 05:34.53 | cafuego | bullgard4: Free memory is wasted memory. |
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| 05:35.34 | bullgard4 | cafuego: I did not ask for free memory definition. |
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| 05:36.37 | cafuego | Well what then? Any ram that's not currently being read from or written to is "inactive". |
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| 05:37.27 | bullgard4 | cafuego: What authority has standardized this? |
| 05:37.46 | bullgard4 | cafuego: What authority has standardized this definition? |
| 05:37.55 | cafuego | Authority? I don't think so :-) |
| 05:38.12 | cafuego | How memory that' |
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| 05:38.25 | cafuego | s not being used by an app right now is used varies wildly per operating system. |
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| 05:38.54 | bullgard4 | I agree. |
| 05:39.23 | cafuego | In terms of the definition you posted... closest to that for Linux would be cache or buffer memory I guess. |
| 05:39.29 | cafuego | I wou;ldn't call that inactive |
| 05:40.12 | CountryfiedLinux | thanks cafuego sorry for the delayed response |
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| 05:44.03 | bullgard4 | cafuego: I agree here too. -- Thank you very much for commenting. |
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| 05:46.54 | psnider85 | Not sure if this is the place to ask, but postfix + spamassassin or dspam? |
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| 05:47.26 | cafuego | all the anti-spam things through amavis |
| 05:47.40 | cafuego | and greylisting and RBL lists |
| 05:47.47 | cafuego | and even then, the spam comes |
| 05:49.14 | psnider85 | Is amavis use low resources? |
| 05:49.18 | psnider85 | *Does |
| 05:49.18 | cafuego | nope |
| 05:49.31 | psnider85 | Haha. |
| 05:49.38 | cafuego | Well... relatively speaking. |
| 05:49.48 | cafuego | What do you consider "low resources" ? |
| 05:49.49 | psnider85 | In comparison with dspam? |
| 05:50.14 | cafuego | amavis is a service that can *use* dspam and many other things to check mail |
| 05:50.42 | psnider85 | Ah I see. Thanks! |
| 05:51.07 | cafuego | I run it with postfix on a 1GB VM ... that seems to be fine for a few GB of mail per day. |
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| 05:54.02 | xkosh | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23712007 |
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| 05:57.45 | cafuego | ... and yet more spam. |
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| 06:01.33 | psnider85 | So basically. No point in having a spam filter :P Let the client spam filter do the job? |
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| 06:05.57 | cafuego | psnider85: Oh no, a spam filter can cut most of the spam. |
| 06:06.07 | cafuego | But that still leaves more spam than ham usually. |
| 06:06.48 | aypea[1] | not for me. |
| 06:06.54 | aypea[1] | spamassassin ftw. :) |
| 06:08.11 | cafuego | To be honest, fail2ban with a rule to firewall remotes that try to deliver mail to non-existent accounts has probably helped most. |
| 06:08.15 | psnider85 | Is there a good test to see if a spam filter is working? |
| 06:08.30 | psnider85 | Yeah, I've made it so that non-existing mail get's deleted automatically. |
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| 06:09.33 | cafuego | Looks like it's down to maybe 2 spam attempts/sec these days on the main mail server. |
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| 06:10.26 | cafuego | Adding an extra server with a high prio number and having that drop packets to port 25 also helps a fair bit. |
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| 06:12.16 | psnider85 | Sounds a bit advanced for my home server :P |
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| 06:17.34 | soyiuz | hoya is this a good place to ask an installation question? |
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| 06:28.40 | rjsalts | soyiuz: if you installed debian it wouldn't be a bad start ;) |
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| 06:29.25 | soyiuz | i am having trouble installing the wireless driver |
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| 06:29.56 | soyiuz | no access to a wired connection |
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| 06:30.12 | soyiuz | but i have the iwlwifi drivers on the usb stick |
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| 06:30.21 | soyiuz | not sure how to install them now |
| 06:30.42 | babilen | soyiuz: You typically don't have to install a driver at all as long as it is supported by the kernel. What you do frequently need though is firmware. Which chipset is it? Did you provide firmware during the install? Have you been asked to? |
| 06:31.15 | soyiuz | the chipset is intel centrino wireless-n 2200 |
| 06:31.28 | soyiuz | i had the drivers in the firmware folder during installation |
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| 06:31.47 | soyiuz | but the installer did not recognize them for some reason |
| 06:31.52 | babilen | soyiuz: You mean that you did provide firmware during the installation? |
| 06:31.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell soyiuz -about firmware image |
| 06:32.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell soyiuz -about installer firmware |
| 06:32.31 | babilen | soyiuz: Which image did you use and how exactly did you provide the firmware? |
| 06:33.17 | soyiuz | one sec let me check |
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| 06:33.59 | babilen | soyiuz: There are basically two ways: 1. You can use the netinstall with firmware or 2. Download the firmware.tar.gz from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and extract that on a USB stick (you then cannot also install from USB)^ |
| 06:34.21 | soyiuz | i used debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 06:34.42 | soyiuz | and i downloaded the drivers into the /firmware folder before installation |
| 06:35.11 | babilen | What do you mean by "downloading the drivers into the firmware" ? |
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| 06:36.11 | soyiuz | grabbed the tarball from http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi#Download |
| 06:36.18 | babilen | soyiuz: If you want to install from USB don't want to use the netinstall with firmware but, say, a CD1 or DVD1 image you should write that image to the USB stick ("cp debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being your USB stick) and then extract the firmware.tar.gz file on the second partition. |
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| 06:36.48 | babilen | soyiuz: Those are the drivers that are *already* in the kernel. |
| 06:36.59 | babilen | (the link you mentioned that is) |
| 06:37.11 | soyiuz | the install is done now |
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| 06:37.25 | soyiuz | is there anyway to install the drivers after the fact? |
| 06:37.29 | babilen | ... |
| 06:37.40 | soyiuz | i just dont have a wired connection to run apt-get etc |
| 06:37.50 | babilen | You might have wanted to tell me about that a bit earlier :) |
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| 06:38.06 | soyiuz | i do have another computer though and a usb stick |
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| 06:38.26 | sheap | download the needed files from there? |
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| 06:38.43 | gnarface | i have a question |
| 06:38.46 | soyiuz | got the files |
| 06:38.53 | soyiuz | how to install the drivers now? |
| 06:39.09 | gnarface | is xserver-xorg-input-joystick for cursor control of the window manager, or would games require this as well? |
| 06:39.19 | babilen | soyiuz: Yeah, then its easy: Just download the correct firmware packages from http://packages.debian.org and install it manually with dpkg -i ... But before that, what does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? (I need the alphanumerical identifier in brackets at the end, should look like [1234:abcd]) |
| 06:39.32 | soyiuz | one sec |
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| 06:40.06 | babilen | soyiuz: You want http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 06:40.28 | soyiuz | 8086:0891 |
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| 06:41.06 | babilen | soyiuz: You almost never have to install drivers by yourself - All drivers are in the kernel so what you have to do if a particular device is not supported is upgrading the kernel not to download random files from the internet and install them. |
| 06:41.16 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:0891 |
| 06:41.17 | judd | [8086:0891] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2200' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0891 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 06:41.23 | txomon|fon | Hi, I have complained of this many times, but I get no fix for it. When I am using Chromium, it suddenly freezes all the screens but the mouse |
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| 06:41.46 | txomon|fon | the only way to get out of it, is through restarting gdm3 |
| 06:42.42 | babilen | soyiuz: Yeah, that should work perfectly -- Just download the firmware package (click on "all") and then install it manually by running "dpkg -i /path/to/the/firmware.deb") -- Reboot the box (or reload the module) once you've done that and you should be fine. |
| 06:43.04 | soyiuz | great, let me try that |
| 06:43.12 | soyiuz | never had to use dpkg before |
| 06:43.21 | babilen | soyiuz: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi and https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse has further information |
| 06:43.34 | soyiuz | thank you! brb |
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| 06:55.48 | doa | Hi. |
| 06:56.13 | sheap | Hi (: |
| 06:56.16 | doa | can i ask u something? |
| 06:56.33 | doa | i wana trying to use vsftpd.. |
| 06:56.53 | sheap | I've never used it but I could try to help! |
| 06:57.12 | doa | how can i set some user's home directory? |
| 06:57.22 | doa | sheap: thanks. |
| 06:58.04 | clu5ter | is it for server or client? |
| 06:58.10 | doa | for server.. |
| 06:59.17 | doa | i want to access some_dir . not /home/$user/ |
| 07:00.58 | clu5ter | sudo useradd -d /path/to/your/dir -s /usr/sbin/nologin username |
| 07:00.59 | clu5ter | sudo passwd username |
| 07:01.13 | etherape | use virtual users or do what clu5ter says |
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| 07:01.48 | doa | clu5ter: thanks :) |
| 07:02.10 | clu5ter | doa: np |
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| 07:03.11 | soyiuz | @bablien getting an error "not a debian format archive" when trying to dkpk -i iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode |
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| 07:03.24 | soyiuz | dpkg sorry |
| 07:03.24 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 07:05.41 | soyiuz | trying install iwlwifi ... bablien said to use dpkg -i but i am getting "not a debian archive" error |
| 07:06.11 | soyiuz | what to do with these ucode files? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 07:07.22 | aypea[1] | soyuiz: apt-get install apt-file, apt-file search iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode and if found install the appropriate package |
| 07:07.24 | musca | soyiuz: that are the binary firmware files, not debian packages. |
| 07:07.35 | aypea[1] | if it's not there then copy the firmware into /lib/firmware |
| 07:07.45 | aypea[1] | err copy the firmware file you got |
| 07:07.51 | martin-_- | when installing debian on a encrytped hdd can i skip the step erasing data? |
| 07:07.51 | aypea[1] | packages are preferred, though. |
| 07:07.57 | aypea[1] | oh. and apt-file update :) |
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| 07:07.58 | soyiuz | ack apt-get would be good, but i have no wired connection |
| 07:08.10 | aypea[1] | oooh |
| 07:08.19 | aypea[1] | then copy, get it set up and then find the package and replace :) |
| 07:08.38 | soyiuz | yeah, thats what i am trying to do |
| 07:08.48 | aypea[1] | that file needs to be in /lib/firmware |
| 07:08.56 | aypea[1] | check dmesg to see if a more exact path is given |
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| 07:09.19 | officeHours | can someone explain how i can remove the GPT with protective MBR in fdisk? I can't create a new partition |
| 07:09.21 | musca | martin-_-: you need the haywire to place the needle in it. |
| 07:09.37 | soyiuz | so copy the ucode file to /lib/firmware? |
| 07:09.48 | aypea[1] | ja |
| 07:09.55 | aypea[1] | -should- work. :) |
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| 07:10.05 | soyiuz | then restart? |
| 07:10.56 | musca | or reload the module |
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| 07:13.27 | musca | officeHours: do you want to delete all partitions and loose all data in it? |
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| 07:18.55 | soyiuz | @aypea thank you! that worked |
| 07:19.42 | soyiuz | should i now update with apt-get or something like that? |
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| 07:20.48 | officeHours | musca: yes |
| 07:21.01 | officeHours | musca: i want to create a debian live usb |
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| 07:22.01 | musca | hmm, how big is the disk? |
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| 07:22.19 | officeHours | 4gb |
| 07:22.34 | officeHours | the goal is to install debian to my cf card |
| 07:22.55 | officeHours | but im running on it now. so gonna boot into usb |
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| 07:23.56 | musca | !GPT |
| 07:23.57 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 07:24.03 | musca | !parted |
| 07:24.03 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a partition editor, used for creation, destruction, resizing and copying, including the associated file system within. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:24.48 | officeHours | thanks. i had used parted on it |
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| 07:26.34 | musca | officeHours: and there is gdisk (gpt fdisk) |
| 07:27.59 | officeHours | oh on gparted it looks like i have an ext2 part. does fdisk not see it? |
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| 07:29.32 | musca | that's the point: gpt is protected by a fake mbr because fdisk doesn't respect gpt. |
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| 07:30.16 | musca | in the fake mbr is a fake entry that claims the full capacity for a dummy partition |
| 07:30.19 | officeHours | oh ok |
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| 07:33.01 | musca | it's too bad, after 30 years of using fdisk you must learn to use gdisk |
| 07:33.18 | officeHours | ok now in fdisk it wont let me make partition 1 |
| 07:33.24 | officeHours | musca: lol yea |
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| 07:36.06 | musca | (f+1)disk |
| 07:36.26 | officeHours | musca: so if i installed syslinux to the protected bootloader, do i have to do cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/hda |
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| 07:38.23 | musca | i always use grub-pc, i don't know about syslinux. |
| 07:38.50 | officeHours | musca: but in theory the mbr i wrote should still be on the disk right? |
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| 07:38.59 | officeHours | musca: I shuoldn't have to write it again? |
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| 07:40.33 | musca | seems legit. |
| 07:42.01 | martin-_- | i need to start the printer service but there is no cupsd package avaibel |
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| 07:43.32 | martin-_- | omg its called cups |
| 07:43.33 | musca | ,file /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 07:43.38 | judd | Search for /usr/sbin/cupsd in wheezy/i386: cups: usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 07:43.54 | musca | martin-_-: exactly |
| 07:43.59 | martin-_- | thanks |
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| 07:46.35 | mejau | Hello, I am using php to send mails. How can I find out what application is used to send the mail? |
| 07:46.48 | mejau | postfix or something else for an example, is there a way? |
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| 07:47.21 | mejau | aah it is postfix, found it in mail.log |
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| 07:51.18 | fishsponge | hello! I just added a second graphics card to my PC and Xorg seems to be using a lot of CPU, the graphics appear to now be slower and when I unlock it from the screensaver, Xorg just hangs. I have 2x NVIDIA Quadro FX 380 |
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| 07:51.29 | fishsponge | basically I have 2 LCD monitors attached... |
| 07:51.31 | martin-_- | why is the name of the package cups when the installed service is using cupsd 0o |
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| 07:52.15 | nkuttler | martin-_-: the project is called CUPS |
| 07:52.18 | phone | hi, i'm trying to figure out how to enable IPv6 NAT on debian stable (wheezy). i've installed iptables 1.4.19 from debian testing, and now the program has the right features, but is telling me that it's missing a kernel module |
| 07:52.36 | martin-_- | ok |
| 07:52.44 | phone | extensive googling has brought me up short; it seems that this is too new a thing for there to be extensive documentation yet |
| 07:53.33 | Dagger3 | v6 NAT landed in, uh... 3.6? so your kernel will need to be at least that |
| 07:53.35 | Dagger3 | though in general you should just avoid v6 NAT... |
| 07:53.50 | phone | Dagger3: i'm aware, i have a use case, unfortunately. |
| 07:54.07 | aypea[1] | soyiuz: now you need to find the right package :) |
| 07:54.12 | phone | ah, my kernel is 3.2. is there any way to patch the v6 nat modules in? |
| 07:54.27 | cc_32123 | '/proc' permission is 500, only root can see all process, anyone know how to solve it? thank you (sorry, it's on ubuntu, i think people are more expericed here.) |
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| 07:55.20 | Dagger3 | just use the kernel from testing, I guess |
| 07:55.21 | phone | cc_32123: if i understanding your question, you should just need to use 'chmod 755 /proc'? is the problem only that your directory has the wrong permissions? |
| 07:55.25 | Dagger3 | (or backports maybe?) |
| 07:55.49 | phone | Dagger3: i think i'm verging into stupid questions, but is it possible to install a specific module from backports, rather than the whole kernel? |
| 07:56.14 | Dagger3 | module version needs to match the kernel version |
| 07:56.19 | cc_32123 | you can't do that to '/proc' |
| 07:56.37 | cc_32123 | phone: you can't do that to '/proc' |
| 07:57.08 | phone | cc_32123: you can as root, i just did in debian stable |
| 07:57.43 | cc_32123 | will it stay 755 after reboot? |
| 07:58.11 | phone | cc_32123: good question, i'm not entirely sure honestly. actually, if your /proc folder was 500 on boot, you might have bigger problems than i know how to deal with |
| 07:59.44 | cc_32123 | i find a link here, ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686307, it didn't solved at last. |
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| 08:00.53 | cc_32123 | not much info i can find about it. |
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| 08:01.21 | phone | if /proc is 500 at boot there's a problem somewhere deeper in the system. have you tried rebooting since you discovered /proc was 500? |
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| 08:10.00 | fishsponge | I have another question... i just added a second graphics card and Xorg seems to be using a lot of CPU generally, whereas it didn't before... |
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| 08:13.40 | cafuego | Was it a 1990's S3 graphics card? |
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| 08:17.57 | martin-_- | hi how can i upgrade from whezzly to sid? |
| 08:18.10 | martin-_- | change apt.source apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 08:18.12 | martin-_- | restart |
| 08:18.13 | colo-work | is there a working video chat application in Debian Wheezy? |
| 08:18.22 | martin-_- | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 08:18.30 | colo-work | martin-_-, that's about it, yeah. |
| 08:18.31 | martin-_- | is this correct from upgraind wheezly to sid? |
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| 08:26.42 | martin-_- | when i try to upgrade they are dependecies unresolved.... |
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| 08:31.28 | boudiccas | martin-_-, please note it is 'wheezy' and not as you have said - whezzly - wheezly ! |
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| 08:35.00 | Arafangion | wonders why he would use ssh-agent |
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| 08:45.08 | Arafangion | Bah. When copying files to what I strongly suspect is a samba share (It's sure as heck ain't windows), the file dates are always roughly 10 hours ahead. |
| 08:45.29 | Arafangion | I'm in GMT+10, so that might be coincidental. Would using rsync to this drive be problematic? |
| 08:46.01 | musca | mumpitze1: qemu 1.6 released: The XHCI (USB 3.0) controller supports live migration. http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/1.6#USB |
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| 08:47.19 | asie | Happy birthday |
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| 09:01.21 | musca | martin___: still dist-upgrading to sid? |
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| 09:01.22 | asperon | hi guys, i am trying to get some type of fancontrol for my prolient servers under debian, does anybody know if this is possible? |
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| 09:03.41 | musca | asperon: there is official support pack from hp http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html |
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| 09:04.20 | asperon | musca: thanks |
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| 09:05.07 | musca | they even have a repo |
| 09:05.08 | Asenar | Hi, I m currently logged with a private key and my passphrase. I that possible for me to change my passwd without being root ? |
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| 09:06.18 | musca | Asenar: try the command passwd |
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| 09:06.49 | Asenar | it asks me the current passwd |
| 09:06.51 | asperon | seems there are no packaged for wheezy, i guess ill have to try the squeeze ones |
| 09:06.53 | musca | this does not change the passphrase of your key |
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| 09:07.48 | musca | Asenar: no, there will be kernel modules for the old kernel in it |
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| 09:08.05 | musca | asperon: : no, there will be kernel modules for the old kernel in it |
| 09:08.12 | Asenar | $ passwd /Changing password for asenar./(current) UNIX password: |
| 09:08.14 | musca | sorry Asenar |
| 09:08.23 | asperon | musca: ie, don't use it? |
| 09:08.28 | Asenar | oh ok :p |
| 09:08.33 | Asenar | np |
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| 09:09.05 | Asenar | The only way I know to do that is with "sudo passwd"... but I also need my current password... alternative is to "su root" first, but I don't have that password right now |
| 09:09.08 | musca | asperon: well, you could ask hp. |
| 09:09.25 | asperon | musca: ok :) |
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| 09:11.05 | Asenar | and the answer to my problem is that it's not possible :s : to reset account password when logged on ssh via key :/ foudn that on stackexchange |
| 09:11.17 | musca | Asenar: yes. |
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| 09:12.00 | musca | Asenar: talk to your sysadmin. |
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| 09:13.45 | musca | asperon: try again next week, i think all debian geeks are on the birthday party today. |
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| 09:16.54 | francesco__ | :( |
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| 09:17.34 | Rydekull | Asenar: as a user you must always know your password if you want to set a new one, root can circumvent this |
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| 09:22.40 | pmart | i'm looking for parameters to mkisofs (or whatever was used for image production) of official live wheezy images. for regular cds they are located in /.disk/mkisofs; there is no such file on live image |
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| 09:26.15 | x-s4nd3r | is ubuntu's support far more superior than debian's support? |
| 09:26.19 | x-s4nd3r | #ubuntu never dies, like wow |
| 09:26.23 | x-s4nd3r | #debian dies often |
| 09:26.27 | tremon | hi all, is wpasupplicant still the way to go to manage system-wide wpa keys? or are there better options (nmcli)? |
| 09:26.39 | x-s4nd3r | tremon, please go to #ubuntu, as this channel is dead. |
| 09:26.51 | x-s4nd3r | guys at #ubuntu will be willing to assist you. |
| 09:26.57 | x-s4nd3r | as their support is #1 around here. |
| 09:26.58 | Rydekull | x-s4nd3r: get real |
| 09:27.01 | Rydekull | !ops |
| 09:27.01 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 09:27.16 | Rydekull | !ops x-s4nd3r misuse |
| 09:27.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rydekull complains about: x-s4nd3r misuse |
| 09:27.27 | x-s4nd3r | sorry |
| 09:28.22 | tremon | pmart: you may want to ask in #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:28.52 | babilen | x-s4nd3r: Please take it elsewhere - There really is no need for this. |
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| 09:29.57 | pmart | tremon: i asked yesterday but everyone are either at debconf or sunbathing on the beach :) |
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| 09:30.12 | tremon | I think the former is much more likely |
| 09:31.09 | x-s4nd3r | how can I use rsync to copy /home/x-s4nd3r to /media/kingston without deleting /home/ |
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| 09:31.27 | tremon | rsync doesn't delete from the source |
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| 09:33.12 | Rydekull | x-s4nd3r: rsync -va /home/x-s4nd3r /media/kingston |
| 09:33.28 | x-s4nd3r | what does....-v mean, rydekull? |
| 09:33.36 | colo-work | verbose |
| 09:33.38 | colo-work | man rsync |
| 09:33.40 | colo-work | it's not hard |
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| 09:47.59 | Asenar | yeah Rydekull, but in fact I m not even supposed to still have access to that server. that's my ancient job, but they asked me advices for something and I need to see something and everyone are off today. whatever, I will do it later. Thanks you :) |
| 09:51.18 | Arafangion | Asenar: Then it's not worth checking out. If the shit hits the fan, so to speak, then you really could be in trouble. |
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| 10:03.45 | apollo13 | I want to start with a new dovecot config, so I deleted /etc/dovecot, dpkg-reconfigure says: "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf" -- can I tell it to recreate the config files somehow? |
| 10:04.39 | apollo13 | preferably without puring everything |
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| 10:04.55 | tremon | not sure dpkg-reconfigure can do it for you, but there is dpkg --force-confmiss |
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| 10:05.37 | tremon | (for dpkg -i) |
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| 10:06.34 | tremon | !tell apollo13 about confmiss |
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| 10:06.41 | officeHours | hey |
| 10:07.05 | officeHours | when installing debian to a USB disk with GPT installed, can I just dd to it or do i need to remove the GPT |
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| 10:07.33 | cc_32123 | phone still there |
| 10:07.40 | tremon | officeHours: you don't install debian with dd |
| 10:07.52 | apollo13 | tremon: I am to stupid :/ again not replacing |
| 10:07.59 | officeHours | i want to dd it to a usb key. the live image |
| 10:08.24 | tremon | ah, it doesn't matter. The entire usb disk including all its partitions will be overwritten |
| 10:08.49 | officeHours | oh ok thanks! |
| 10:08.58 | apollo13 | tremon: UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true apt-get install --reinstall dovecot-core worked |
| 10:09.04 | officeHours | so just dd it |
| 10:09.27 | tremon | apollo13: good :) |
| 10:09.40 | apollo13 | tremon: jupp, thx |
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| 10:09.55 | tremon | officeHours: yes, dd it. Do dd it to the entire disk, so of=/dev/sdX, not of=/dev/sdX1 |
| 10:10.30 | officeHours | thanks - why cant other distributions use the isohybrid to make it as simple as this |
| 10:10.44 | cc_32123 | phone i found it, it's because the server use a special kernel which patched many odd things. thank you. |
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| 10:13.40 | babilen | officeHours: I wouldn't use dd as it isn't necessary and slower than cp. Just run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick) -- That gets your blocksize scaling. I use dcfldd whenever I *really* need dd-like functionality such as specifying offsets. It is more powerful, has a nice progressbar and is generally better than dd. In this case you can, however, just use cp. |
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| 10:14.35 | officeHours | dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync is what is in the guide on debian site |
| 10:14.36 | babilen | officeHours: So in short: Use cp if you have no special needs and dcfldd when you do. The only argument in favour of dd is that it is more likely to be installed on some systems already. |
| 10:15.14 | abrotman | which debian site? |
| 10:15.17 | babilen | officeHours: Well, we have multiple guides and that command does indeed work. I personally find "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" much easier and cp scales the blocksize automatically. |
| 10:15.37 | officeHours | debian.org/cd/faq |
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| 10:15.40 | babilen | abrotman: I think it is in some FAQ somewhere, we should probably should try to change that so that it is in line with the install guide. |
| 10:15.58 | Sevet | officeHours: they're equivalent, there's just differences in the blocksizes used that affect the speed. either'll work fine. |
| 10:16.01 | abrotman | doesnt the ig use cat still? |
| 10:16.20 | Sevet | (equivalent as in you get the same bits on the destination) |
| 10:16.38 | officeHours | Sevet: so cp doesnen't set bs=4m, but something more tailored? |
| 10:16.40 | babilen | abrotman: No, cat was abandoned as it confused too many users who ran "sudo cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" and wondered why they don't have permission to write to the disk. |
| 10:16.55 | babilen | officeHours: cp scales the blocksize automatically to the "best" value. |
| 10:17.15 | abrotman | ah |
| 10:17.15 | BotaniCar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.17 | Sevet | babilen: although that's a useful lesson for them to learn ;) |
| 10:17.23 | officeHours | and the blocksize affects performace? |
| 10:17.25 | babilen | Sevet: It is indeed :) |
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| 10:17.26 | officeHours | *effects |
| 10:17.27 | abrotman | BotaniCar: no! |
| 10:17.32 | BotaniCar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.40 | abrotman | BotaniCar: no! |
| 10:17.43 | BotaniCar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.44 | babilen | BotaniCar: Please, check what you are doing. |
| 10:17.49 | babilen | ... |
| 10:17.56 | bhuddah | *arrrrrrr* |
| 10:18.12 | BotaniCar | my apologizes, configuring irrs, and forgot a space :) |
| 10:18.18 | officeHours | babilen: cat would do the same thing? but not worry about blockzie? |
| 10:18.19 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 10:18.29 | babilen | officeHours: Yes, sure. It is much slower to copy many small blocks than few large ones. |
| 10:18.49 | babilen | officeHours: cat works too but you have to run it as root and also scales the blocksize. |
| 10:19.24 | bhuddah | you remember that sudo says "you will be reported"? .. i got such a report for the first time \o/ |
| 10:19.32 | officeHours | cat scales blocksize? so scaling blocksize is only important during the copy; once the bytes get there they are the same no matter what method? |
| 10:20.04 | Sevet | yes |
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| 10:20.27 | babilen | officeHours: A lot of people think that dd is somehow a special tool in that it allows "deep" or "expert" access to underlying block devices, while cp/cat work identically. dd simply allows you to do things like "copy ten 512B block starting with an offset of two blocks from ..." |
| 10:20.39 | babilen | officeHours: yes, exactly |
| 10:20.48 | pmart | i always wonder what block size is suitable for dd in different scenarios, haven't seen any guidelines for that |
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| 10:21.17 | babilen | pmart: It depends on the device you are copying to and I simply wouldn't care but use tools that scale it automatically. |
| 10:21.20 | Sevet | pmart: it depends on the device you're accessing |
| 10:21.36 | abrotman | babilen: iirc, cat is a stream , dd is blocks? |
| 10:21.49 | babilen | abrotman: yes, exactly. |
| 10:21.52 | pmart | cp/cat have automatic scaling? |
| 10:22.10 | abrotman | babilen: so not identical :) |
| 10:22.12 | babilen | abrotman: err, but you raise a valid point. That wouldn't scale then :-/ |
| 10:22.27 | babilen | argh, now I confused myself with abrotman's help. |
| 10:22.33 | pmart | the default 512 blocks copying is usually terribly slow |
| 10:22.35 | abrotman | hides |
| 10:22.50 | babilen | pmart: cp definitely does |
| 10:24.16 | tc_ | whats the best low resouce x sever |
| 10:24.20 | tc_ | vesa or |
| 10:24.26 | tc_ | xvesa i mean |
| 10:24.33 | abrotman | what? |
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| 10:24.41 | abrotman | that's a driver |
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| 10:25.04 | tc_ | like a low mem alternative to x-org |
| 10:25.14 | abrotman | xorg |
| 10:25.34 | officehours | x.org |
| 10:25.40 | bhuddah | xvfb |
| 10:26.42 | tgs3 | tremon: xvfb (or xephyr??) if you do not need to actually view the image on given computer |
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| 10:27.33 | tremon | what did I miss? |
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| 10:28.54 | officehours | good night sweet princes |
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| 10:29.31 | officehours | may the penguines swim near |
| 10:29.54 | officehours | and code your way to the stars |
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| 10:35.55 | pmart | but supposing i need to copy something to block device using offsets and i don't want to install anything special like dcfldd, what is the *proper* bs= for copying data from hard drive to usb flash stick? |
| 10:36.42 | pmart | does it depend on amount of internal cache each disk has |
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| 10:39.54 | Guest92392 | hello Everyone |
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| 10:40.11 | Sevet | pmart: any bs will work, but the fastest is probably a number that's a multiple of the block size of both input and output devices |
| 10:40.13 | Guest92392 | is there anyone who use the debian 7 |
| 10:40.29 | bhuddah | Guest92392: no, we all use just windows. |
| 10:40.34 | bhuddah | :) |
| 10:40.35 | Sevet | pmart: that'll minimise the reads and writes by getting the maximum possible data in each i/o operation |
| 10:40.51 | Guest92392 | so what are you doing here? |
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| 10:41.00 | Guest92392 | @bhuddah |
| 10:41.40 | bhuddah | i'm trying to help people with debian. and sometime i need help too |
| 10:41.41 | pmart | Sevet: you mean physical sector size? those are 512/4096 these days |
| 10:41.44 | Guest92392 | :-) |
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| 10:42.00 | Guest92392 | everybody need it |
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| 10:42.26 | bhuddah | Guest92392: so.. how can we help you? |
| 10:42.32 | pmart | but bs=4k is not much bigger than default 512 |
| 10:42.41 | Sevet | pmart: personally i'd go for a large multiple of that though, i think a single i/o request then could read lots of blocks at the same time... |
| 10:42.53 | tremon | pmart: flash disk have much larger erase block sizes (think 128-512kB) |
| 10:42.56 | Guest92392 | means what about the new debian? |
| 10:43.35 | Guest92392 | bhuddah: because i have problem with the old version on my hardware |
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| 10:43.45 | Arafangion | tremon: I thought I've seen 4MB block sizes at one point. |
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| 10:44.11 | bhuddah | Guest92392: can you provide more details on what exactly you want to know? |
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| 10:44.34 | Guest92392 | Thanks dear |
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| 10:45.06 | tremon | pmart: also, sata and udma have a transfer multiple command, that reads consecutive sectors in one transfer. with classic ide the maximum was 64 blocks (i.e. 32kB transfer size), I suspect it's much higher for sata. An even larger block size doesn't help with improving disk acess, but it does lessen the amount of task switching |
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| 10:47.39 | pmart | tremon: bs=1m seems to be sane choice for me then. any reason to go further with block size? |
| 10:48.32 | tremon | not really, bs=1M is the minimum I use as well. bs=4M is also used sometimes, but I suspect there's little difference between them |
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| 11:00.35 | zipy | hello, i get a blank screen after boot with blinking _, i think i have problems with my gpu and fglrx. here is my xserver-error: http://paste.debian.net/25848/ |
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| 11:03.28 | babilen | zipy: How did you install the fglrx driver? |
| 11:03.46 | bhuddah | and is this the supported driver for virtualbox? |
| 11:04.50 | babilen | zipy: And it looks as if you are running the 3.10 kernel .. Please tell us a bit more about your setup, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and elaborate on the specific method you used to install fglrx. |
| 11:05.01 | babilen | zipy: Does it work with the radeon driver? |
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| 11:08.20 | zipy | ok ill paste the Xorg.0.log, but have to reboot again, im on windows right now ^^ i installed flgrx like this: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 11:08.51 | babilen | zipy: And you did configure it as detailed later? |
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| 11:09.49 | babilen | zipy: Unfortunately I have to run now, but I would gather some information, make sure that your GPU is supported by fglrx (and not by legacy or not at all) and I would also try the radeon driver (see "/msg dpkg radeon" for details about that) |
| 11:10.07 | zipy | ok |
| 11:10.16 | zipy | brb i reboot back to debian |
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| 11:13.01 | Otaku_ | Question: is it what it looks like, that a dd made iso takes 8,2GB even if there are only 7GB data on it? |
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| 11:17.03 | Coudy | hi, after upgrade to wheezy from squeeze I have problem with apache2. Apache2 can start, but virtual hosts dont work, for example, when I run http://myserver I can see that page, but when I want to go to http://myserver/zabbix I see blank page |
| 11:17.03 | musca | Otaku_: What Info do you refer to? |
| 11:18.11 | Otaku_ | http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-520e09bb8652f0.22834913.png |
| 11:18.31 | Otaku_ | The iso is mounted to /mnt/folder with -o loop |
| 11:18.35 | Otaku_ | i made it with |
| 11:18.55 | Otaku_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.39 | tremon | that's called filesystem overhead |
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| 11:20.29 | michaelis | Hi again. I just installed Eclipse on Debian linux distro with a couple of C/C++ add-ons and at startup there's just a black screen appearing. Any ideas? Even the gnome-terminal window becomes transparent. Any ideas on what's going on? |
| 11:20.30 | Otaku_ | but 8,2 is exactly the maximum of a dual layer DVD |
| 11:20.37 | tgs3 | sounds the omg pirate gong |
| 11:20.40 | tremon | 10% seems a bit high, but I can't tell what garbage is required for a proper udf or iso9660 image |
| 11:20.42 | Otaku_ | sure it doesn't copy the zeros at the end? |
| 11:22.03 | tremon | Otaku_: if you dd a block device, you will always end up with an image of the same size as the block device |
| 11:22.47 | tremon | you could have only 10MB worth of files on the disc, you'll still get a full-size image |
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| 11:23.57 | anton02 | which of these 3 can i get an ISO from? 08/16/2013 03:14AM Directory debian |
| 11:24.30 | anton02 | debian, debian-security, debian-multimedia |
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| 11:24.57 | anton02 | ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ |
| 11:25.24 | anton02 | pls respond |
| 11:25.42 | bhuddah | anton02: what is your question? |
| 11:25.51 | anton02 | i need an iso from that debian mirror |
| 11:26.10 | anton02 | AMD64_binary installer |
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| 11:26.12 | tremon | an iso containing the contents of a debian mirror? |
| 11:26.14 | musca | !iso |
| 11:26.14 | dpkg | [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent>, <jigdo>. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <cd1>, <missing iso>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <iat>. |
| 11:27.13 | musca | is the BD-Image available and does it fit the repo? |
| 11:27.16 | anton02 | ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ doesnt have a debian-cd directory for some reason |
| 11:27.39 | bhuddah | anton02: then use another mirror |
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| 11:28.24 | anton02 | is debian-cd the only directory on mirrors that contains Isos? |
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| 11:29.30 | Arafangion | So, what's the best remote desktop server at the moment? |
| 11:29.31 | musca | anton02: the repo would fill 11 DVDs. it doesn't make any sense to entirely download that all. |
| 11:29.40 | Arafangion | freenx, or? (Don't say vnc) |
| 11:30.14 | anton02 | what about this ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/dists/wheezy/ |
| 11:30.44 | Arafangion | anton02: You're better off with simply sharing your apt cache. |
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| 11:31.03 | anton02 | i dont have linux on my comp yet |
| 11:31.04 | Arafangion | confesses he doesn't have the context. |
| 11:31.18 | Arafangion | anton02: Ah, then just the first DVD, or better, just the netinst, and that's all you need. |
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| 11:31.50 | anton02 | is the first dvd at that link? |
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| 11:32.57 | tremon | anton02: have you read ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/README.CD-manufacture? |
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| 11:33.22 | Arafangion | anton02: I used bittorrent for getting debian. |
| 11:33.36 | Sevet | anton02: the netinst'll probably get you up and running faster - it's enough to get the installer running and install some essentials and then downloads only the packages it needs which is probably less than what's on the entire cd/dvd |
| 11:34.09 | musca | !firmware images |
| 11:34.09 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 11:35.36 | musca | and yes, anton02, you really should read the installation guide. |
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| 11:35.46 | Otaku_ | So what would you recomment to make .iso files from CDs ?? |
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| 11:36.01 | Arafangion | Otaku_: 'cat'. |
| 11:36.01 | anton02 | well i guess i could install netinst in a virtual machine on my laptop, download all the packages from aarnet mirror in that VM, then install the netinst on my desktop at home then copy all packages to my desktop from my laptop. im at uni at the moment and want to utilize the fast connection. |
| 11:36.05 | Otaku_ | *recommend |
| 11:36.23 | Arafangion | anton02: Then download the first DVD. |
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| 11:37.08 | tremon | Otaku_: the only tool that can make iso's that are smaller than the original disc is mkisofs |
| 11:37.09 | musca | anton02: yes, what Arafangion said. |
| 11:37.18 | anton02 | it's just that i only get 10GB download per month at university, that's why I wanted to use aarnet which is unmetered. my total download would be about 6GB |
| 11:37.45 | tremon | no, your download would be 200MB for the netinst, the rest would be fetched from the mirror |
| 11:37.58 | musca | !various cd1 |
| 11:37.58 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 11:38.27 | musca | anton02: ^ they are all together on DVD1 |
| 11:38.40 | martin-_- | hi debian/x.org is using the wrong screen resolution. when i'm in gnome i execute in the gnome terminal xrandr -s 0 so that x.org is using 1920x1080. when i log out of gnome the screen returns to the "standard" resolution of 1400x900 |
| 11:38.55 | martin-_- | how can i change this behaviour the standard resolution should be 192x1080 |
| 11:38.58 | musca | so almost sure 3/4 of the dvd will never be used. |
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| 11:39.26 | anton02 | where are the packages stored in netinst? should i run apt-get with a certain option so it doesn't delete them? |
| 11:40.00 | anton02 | where are the packages stored in debian rather |
| 11:40.15 | drhouse123_ | anton02: /var/cache/apt/archives, aren't? |
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| 11:40.19 | colo-work | correct. |
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| 11:40.42 | tremon | anton02: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 11:40.51 | anton02 | thanks |
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| 11:41.01 | Otaku_ | so mkisofs -o filename.iso /dev/sr0 ? |
| 11:41.17 | Otaku_ | does mkisofs had problems with minor reading errors? |
| 11:41.18 | musca | martin-_-: gnome has a advanced button at the bottom of systemsettings. after klicking it, display settings will be available. |
| 11:41.38 | Otaku_ | for dd i needed the noerror option, but this seems not to exist for mkisofs |
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| 11:42.44 | tremon | Otaku_: that's because mkisofs does not produce an exact copy, it creates a new iso with the files on the original disc |
| 11:43.17 | anton02 | One last question, how do i apt-get every single package? |
| 11:43.20 | tremon | mkisofs doesn't read a device, you need to mount it and point mkisofs to the mount point |
| 11:43.46 | anton02 | i want to fetch only, not install |
| 11:44.47 | Otaku_ | hmm sounds complicated |
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| 11:46.26 | tremon | anton02: why would you want to do that? |
| 11:47.11 | anton02 | cause i live in a 62 bedroom house and every time i want a 50mb package i need to wait 2 hours to dl it |
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| 11:48.02 | anton02 | so i want to dl everything while im here at uni |
| 11:48.35 | ball999 | how can I copy one folder and everything inside of it to another on debian? |
| 11:48.51 | anton02 | cp -R |
| 11:49.21 | drhouse123_ | ball999: better is cp -aR |
| 11:49.49 | tremon | in that case I'd say that you need to rsync the entire mirror to a usb disk, no idea how to tell apt to look there though |
| 11:50.03 | bullgard4 | What does this /var/log/syslog message mean? »Aug 16 13:33:59 T61 kernel: [23482.191015] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: wake-up capability enabled by ACPI« |
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| 11:50.38 | tremon | bullgard4: your bios has configured your network card for wake-on-lan |
| 11:51.08 | bullgard4 | tremon: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 11:51.15 | ball999 | I want to do this with scp |
| 11:51.21 | ball999 | it says illegal option -a |
| 11:51.28 | tremon | ball999: man scp |
| 11:51.34 | ball999 | how can I copy one directory and everything inside of it to another remote with scp |
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| 11:51.50 | ball999 | please.. I am in real hurry otherwise would not bother with such questions |
| 11:51.52 | Otaku_ | i don't want to mount my DVDs before riping them :( |
| 11:52.12 | anton02 | ball999: just tar the dir |
| 11:52.15 | Otaku_ | that are 10unnecessary seconds of work for each iso :( |
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| 11:52.45 | anton02 | ball999: tar cvf sourcedir.tar sourcedir |
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| 11:53.28 | anton02 | ball999: to untar: tar xvf sourcedir.tar |
| 11:53.39 | musca | University of Queensland seems to accept any applicant |
| 11:54.09 | anton02 | musca: what makes you say that |
| 11:54.10 | bullgard4 | tremon: But this message ends with "by ACPI". Why do you blame my BIOS and not my ACPI? |
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| 11:54.49 | anton02 | musca: it's actually a highly competitive university |
| 11:55.07 | musca | anton02: do you think repeating your questions is enough to get your stuff done? |
| 11:55.52 | musca | you are not able to read a small intro and pick a download from a list. |
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| 11:56.35 | tremon | bullgard4: there's no such thing as "your acpi". It's not a tool, it's a communications protocol (for want of a better word) |
| 11:56.55 | drhouse123_ | tremon: +1 |
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| 11:57.51 | drhouse123_ | bullgard4: you can (or cannot ) upgrade your bios |
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| 11:58.38 | bullgard4 | drhouse123_: I can or I cannot? Can you elaborate. |
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| 11:59.49 | drhouse123_ | bullgard4: it is depended to your vendor |
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| 12:02.25 | Arafangion | Hmm. I notice that 'freenx' is not in debian wheezy? |
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| 12:03.19 | Otaku_ | WTF, WHY IT THIS CHANNEL LOGGING MY PICTURES??? |
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| 12:03.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Is aufs the preferred union fs in Debian? If not, are there other kernelspace union fs's? |
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| 12:03.33 | musca | Arafangion: yes, and the packages from external sources are of poor quality |
| 12:03.44 | Otaku_ | http://wurstball.de/ NOT OKAY!!!! |
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| 12:03.51 | Arafangion | musca: Thanks for the tip. |
| 12:04.01 | Arafangion | musca: Do you have a preferred 'remote desktop server'? |
| 12:04.19 | ZIPY | ok here is my xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/25868/ hope that can help |
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| 12:05.17 | musca | Arafangion: hmm. avoid remote X11 protocol (aka use the shell) or use vnc (or something similar). |
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| 12:05.32 | Arafangion | musca: Bah, was hoping you weren't going to say that. |
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| 12:06.23 | tgs3 | Otaku_: lol? |
| 12:06.47 | Otaku_ | NOT OKAY!!!!! |
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| 12:07.15 | musca | Arafangion: the proprietary nomachine has an evaluation license for two users, i remember. |
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| 12:07.50 | ball999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.30 | Arafangion | musca: Yes, I'm considering that. |
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| 12:08.49 | musca | Otaku_: did you know? irc is unencrypted and open to everybody. |
| 12:09.24 | Otaku_ | But i still think it's illegal, posting my pictures on other websites |
| 12:09.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | debootstrap should really abort if there's no package signature key available. At least by default. |
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| 12:11.00 | Arafangion | Otaku_: What's illegal for you isn't neccessarily illegal for others. |
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| 12:11.45 | Otaku_ | Us law is allowing this? |
| 12:11.52 | Otaku_ | of course they do, i hate them! |
| 12:12.54 | musca | yes, and one more buzzword, and they are after you |
| 12:13.06 | ZIPY | hey, i got a black screen with blinking _, i installed flgrx like in this wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22, after creating the file in step 3, i rebooted. here is my xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/25868/ |
| 12:13.11 | Deeps | Otaku_: european law permits this too btw |
| 12:13.36 | Deeps | Otaku_: infact, i'm not aware of a jurisdiction that would take an issue with the behaviour witnessed there |
| 12:13.40 | ZIPY | im using a ati hd7870 |
| 12:14.02 | Otaku_ | I don't think so |
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| 12:14.47 | Otaku_ | You are not allowed to duplicate pictures of someone else without their knowing |
| 12:14.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: you probably need to disable KMS |
| 12:14.58 | Arafangion | Otaku_: Bullshit. |
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| 12:15.11 | Elw3 | i just wonder, who runs that wurstball site? |
| 12:15.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: try adding radeon.nomodeset=1 on the kernel cmdline |
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| 12:15.50 | ZIPY | Eduard_Munteanu: u maen in grub? |
| 12:15.59 | Deeps | Otaku_: you've published it on the internet, you've linked it in a public forum, and it's been mirrored somewhere. it's not being done maliciously, nor does it appear to be happening for profit. good luck. |
| 12:16.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: yes, and reboot |
| 12:16.08 | ZIPY | ok ill try, thanks |
| 12:16.32 | Deeps | Otaku_: also, have a look at google's cache, and archive.org's wayback machine. |
| 12:16.58 | Deeps | the former does it for profit, the latter doesn't, both continue to function for well over a decade |
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| 12:17.09 | Otaku_ | when i post a picture on Facebook, you are not allowed to copy it and post it somewhere else |
| 12:17.11 | Deeps | stops before he gets told off and sent to -offtopic again |
| 12:17.19 | Otaku_ | i think that's here too. |
| 12:17.35 | Elw3 | Otaku_ also i log all pictures running through enlightenment.org , wurstball.de and various webcams |
| 12:17.51 | Deeps | Otaku_: If you really want to continue this conversation, we should move to #debian-offtopic before someone complains, as this isn't debian related |
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| 12:18.23 | Otaku_ | Have no time |
| 12:18.29 | bullgard4 | drhouse123_: I designated my computer type at the outset. Thus the computer vendor is knwn. It is Lenovo. |
| 12:18.53 | Otaku_ | I don't post everything i would care about beeing seen by everybody worldwide, but i still think it's not okay. |
| 12:19.34 | Elw3 | think before post |
| 12:19.48 | Elw3 | also you can delete uploadet screenshots |
| 12:19.49 | aguitel_ | firefox crach in my system with nvidia 173xx drivers ,any tips ? |
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| 12:20.21 | Otaku_ | not if you have already copied them to other sites |
| 12:20.41 | Elw3 | bad luck then |
| 12:21.14 | arare | Aramur :) |
| 12:21.41 | Otaku_ | creepy NSA and other spying Americans and Germans :O |
| 12:22.27 | tgs3 | Otaku_: if you are interested in network privacy/anonymity check out #freenet and #i2p (and of. tor - apt-get install tor privoxy) |
| 12:22.45 | ZIPY | Eduard_Munteanu: i found "options radeon modeset=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
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| 12:22.57 | Otaku_ | i don't think tor saves my images against you |
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| 12:25.59 | musca | Otaku_: didn't you post your image under creative commons on http://www.enlightenment.org/ ? |
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| 12:31.14 | ZIPY | hmm i think im going to install from ati page |
| 12:32.04 | Vlad_ | Happy Birthday Debian |
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| 12:34.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: don't do that |
| 12:34.17 | apollo13 | hmm, is anyone here running slapd on wheezy? I am running into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628237 which should?! be fixed |
| 12:34.21 | ZIPY | why |
| 12:34.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: because it installs crap all over, never install that directly. |
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| 12:35.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: can you paste dmesg? |
| 12:35.41 | ZIPY | hmm how do i copy from ssh, its very long |
| 12:36.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: Eduard_Munteanu: i found "options radeon modeset=1" in -- you want .modeset=0 or .nomodeset=1, mind the _no_ |
| 12:36.24 | ZIPY | yes i changed that to 0 but doesnt work too |
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| 12:36.41 | Deeps | ZIPY: jumping in the middle, so apologies if this isn't relevant, but if you're looking to use the proprietary ATI driver, there is a wiki page that documents the recommended way to do this in debian at https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 12:36.55 | Vlad_ | Birth Debian Cake http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xQTTTitm4v8/Ugyf-oxRH6I/AAAAAAAAAqI/D0L7ikI1C3k/s320/birth.png |
| 12:37.01 | ZIPY | Deeps: that is what i did |
| 12:37.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: you can use wgetpaste or similar tools |
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| 12:38.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: wheezy seems to have 'pastebinit', try that |
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| 12:38.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | brb, reboots |
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| 12:38.54 | Arafangion | gives this 'virtualbox' thing a go. |
| 12:38.55 | Deeps | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net (i think) |
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| 12:39.22 | ZIPY | sorry, i dont understand ^^ |
| 12:39.37 | ZIPY | i have the dmesg output in ssh but its very long |
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| 12:39.46 | ZIPY | i dont know how to mark all |
| 12:39.49 | apollo13 | nevermind, got it |
| 12:39.51 | ZIPY | for copy |
| 12:40.39 | ZIPY | http://paste.debian.net/25880/ |
| 12:40.42 | ZIPY | got it :D |
| 12:41.22 | EeeLo_ | >x.txt |
| 12:41.34 | ksk | hey guys |
| 12:41.53 | ksk | is there a way to take a look into an .tar.gz file on the commandline without extracting it first (like some GUI clients can)? |
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| 12:42.42 | EeeLo_ | ne |
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| 12:42.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Alright, I'm back. |
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| 12:43.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: did you get around to pastebinning dmesg? |
| 12:43.34 | ZIPY | http://paste.debian.net/25880/ |
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| 12:49.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: did you paste that after you tried running X? |
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| 12:49.53 | ZIPY | Eduard_Munteanu: just booted and paste from ssh |
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| 12:50.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: try running X and re-paste after |
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| 12:51.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: oh wait, doh! [ 29.512] (EE) fglrx(0): (fglrxdrm.a version = 12.10.5, expected 13.10.10). Disabling DRI. |
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| 12:51.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: did you install another fglrx previously? |
| 12:51.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or is this a newer kernel? |
| 12:52.10 | ZIPY | 3.10 |
| 12:52.27 | ZIPY | i distupgraded yesterday |
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| 12:52.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: try removing all fglrx packages and then reinstall them |
| 12:53.01 | ZIPY | purge fglrx ? |
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| 12:53.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: if that autoremoves all of them yeah. |
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| 12:53.39 | babilen | ZIPY: I would also like to point out that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:53.41 | ZIPY | hmm or maybei ill do a new install |
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| 12:54.37 | babilen | ZIPY: Could it be that you used the ati installer at one point? |
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| 12:55.08 | ZIPY | im not sure, maybe a long time ago |
| 12:55.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | You shouldn't do that. Not with fglrx or any other drivers. |
| 12:55.37 | ZIPY | im going to make a fresh install and then i try again |
| 12:55.40 | EeeLo_ | what are you talking about |
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| 12:56.37 | babilen | ZIPY: It looks as if you have stuff left from an earlier install - just out of curiosity: Why don't you use the radeon driver? |
| 12:56.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | EeeLo_: who are you referring to? |
| 12:57.08 | EeeLo_ | you and ZIPY |
| 12:57.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | EeeLo_: ZIPY is having trouble getting fglrx to work |
| 12:57.26 | sevenfourk | fellas, hundred times configured and yet struggling now, my user is in "sudo" group, in config /etc/sudoerc: sevenfourk ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL, and it asking password anyway, why is that ? |
| 12:58.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | sevenfourk: possibly because another rule overrides that? |
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| 12:58.20 | sevenfourk | %sudoALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 12:58.30 | sevenfourk | Eduard_Munteanu: I think not. |
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| 12:58.48 | sevenfourk | pretty standard config, nothing fancy, sophisticated |
| 12:58.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | sevenfourk: type 'groups' and check the user did get the new credentials |
| 12:59.18 | sevenfourk | gid=1000(sevenfourk) groups=1000(sevenfourk),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),100(users),117(fuse),122(kvm) |
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| 12:59.40 | Deeps | sevenfourk: did you use visudo to edit your sudoers file, or did you use a text editor? |
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| 12:59.59 | Kunal | any alternative to putty? |
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| 13:00.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Kunal: is that a Windows or Debian question? |
| 13:00.25 | oufo | sevenfourk: i have: oufo ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 13:00.35 | Kunal | Windows |
| 13:00.42 | erore | How do I compile gvim in xfce? first configure says --enable-gui argument... no GUI support then it says checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND! |
| 13:00.53 | Kunal | i mean i need to connect to debain vps |
| 13:00.56 | colo-work | erore, why not just install from packages? |
| 13:01.06 | Kunal | through windows* |
| 13:01.31 | colo-work | Kunal, what's wrong with putty? |
| 13:01.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: you're probably missing -dev packages |
| 13:01.33 | erore | packages have 7.3 I want the 7.4 version |
| 13:01.46 | colo-work | erore, why? dues to what improvement/feature? |
| 13:01.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: did you apt-get build-dep vim ? |
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| 13:02.29 | erore | Eduard_Munteanu, that's what is in the readmes but what packages? |
| 13:02.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: apt-get build-dep vim should do that for you |
| 13:03.07 | Kunal | when i connect with it after few mins it gives me error 'Network Error : software-caused-connection-abort' |
| 13:03.38 | colo-work | Kunal, and that has nothing to do with putty, but with the socket connection between your machine and the host |
| 13:03.52 | Kunal | hmm.. |
| 13:04.00 | Kunal | so any solution? |
| 13:04.19 | colo-work | you could try if enabling explicitely enabling tcp and/or SSH2 keepalive helps |
| 13:04.26 | erore | Eduard_Munteanu, it needs 370 MB :-O |
| 13:04.38 | Kunal | kk let me try |
| 13:04.40 | Kunal | thx |
| 13:04.41 | colo-work | if that doesnÄt help, get a more stable internet uplink |
| 13:04.49 | colo-work | erore, why? dues to what improvement/feature? |
| 13:04.52 | colo-work | due* |
| 13:04.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: not really surprising, you probably have none of those installed by default |
| 13:05.14 | erore | colo-work: because i want to :-) |
| 13:05.37 | colo-work | so, sns basically. |
| 13:05.39 | colo-work | good luck with that |
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| 13:22.43 | ball999 | by default php doesn't have write access to files in www folder? if I instaleld php with apt-get? |
| 13:25.35 | jordanm | php is a langauge. languages don't have file access permissions, users do |
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| 13:26.51 | musca | anton02: hey, how are you doing? Any progress? |
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| 13:26.57 | iglo | hi |
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| 13:30.46 | sevenfourk | Eduard_Munteanu, oufo for some reason it doesn't authenticate me through su, seems like something obvious, but I just can't recall, what's happening.. |
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| 13:32.14 | ball999 | please can you tell me how can I give php write permissions in www folder? |
| 13:32.38 | nkuttler | ball999: my giving the user that runs the process +rw? |
| 13:32.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | sevenfourk: I don't think you can use 'su' by default |
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| 13:33.34 | nkuttler | ball999: on Debian www-data runs php by default.. but be careful where you give that user +rw, you don't want an exploited php app to rewrite itself |
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| 13:34.28 | nkuttler | sevenfourk: did you create a root account during install? |
| 13:34.34 | nkuttler | or, enable login for it |
| 13:34.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Argh... apt-cache and aptitude can't limit the search to installed packages? :O |
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| 13:34.58 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:35.07 | JordiGH | Are there any Debian parties? :-) |
| 13:35.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: search for an installed package by description |
| 13:36.03 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: that.. doesn't make much sense to me. can you be more specific? |
| 13:36.16 | sevenfourk | nkuttler: root automatically had been created and it was a while ago. |
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| 13:36.22 | sevenfourk | root account* |
| 13:36.39 | oufo | sevenfourk: yeah but does it have a password? use sudo to set a password for root and try again |
| 13:36.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: for example I want to limit apt-cache search pager output to installed packages only |
| 13:36.40 | nkuttler | sevenfourk: yes, but did you forget the root pw, or don't you have sudo, or...? |
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| 13:37.28 | sevenfourk | nkuttler: change changed root password, with #passwd, to be sure I'm not typing wrong password tring to $su from normal user. |
| 13:37.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | sevenfourk: su isn't normally allowed IIRC |
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| 13:38.12 | sevenfourk | nkuttler, oufo: thing is in virtual consoles it passes me to root flawlessly. |
| 13:38.24 | oufo | ah, check /etc/pam.d/su maybe? |
| 13:38.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | sevenfourk: you should be doing sudo su or something like that |
| 13:38.29 | afernandez | hello to all , how do i auto login on level 3 ? thank you |
| 13:38.36 | oufo | are you in the right groups etc? |
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| 13:39.30 | sevenfourk | oufo: maybe not, uid=1000(sevenfourk) gid=1000(sevenfourk) groups=1000(sevenfourk),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),100(users),117(fuse),122(kvm) |
| 13:39.34 | erore | what does the path ~/.vim stand for? |
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| 13:40.01 | afernandez | erore: /home/user/.vim |
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| 13:40.31 | afernandez | hello to all , how do i auto login on level 3 ? thank you |
| 13:40.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: usually ~/.foo contains persistent settings/data for an app named 'foo', for that particular user. |
| 13:40.50 | oufo | sevenfourk: i don't see anything wrong with those groups tbh |
| 13:40.54 | sevenfourk | oufo: if I was using Gentoo, Arch I would add myself to wheel, but here's we use sudo group. |
| 13:40.58 | sevenfourk | oufo: me too. |
| 13:41.23 | sevenfourk | that's why asking |
| 13:41.27 | oufo | mhm |
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| 13:41.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | As I said before, sudo su |
| 13:41.51 | afernandez | hello to all , how do i auto login on level 3 ? thank you |
| 13:42.07 | nkuttler | afernandez: use a dm that supports that |
| 13:42.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | afernandez: stop repeating that over and over, wait a bit for an answer. |
| 13:42.14 | afernandez | sorry |
| 13:42.26 | afernandez | whats a dm? nkuttler |
| 13:42.37 | nkuttler | !tell afernandez about dm |
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| 13:42.55 | afernandez | LEVEL 3 |
| 13:42.55 | erore | Eduard_Munteanu, and is it conventional that the app creates the folder or is the user's responsibily? |
| 13:43.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | erore: the app creates it |
| 13:43.13 | nkuttler | afernandez: drop the caps, and |
| 13:43.17 | nkuttler | !tell afernandez about runlevel |
| 13:43.31 | sevenfourk | I bet this is so awkward thingy, that I will pretty amberesed in the end |
| 13:43.38 | sevenfourk | *be* |
| 13:43.43 | afernandez | dude THAT DOESNT ANSWER MY QUESTION I KNOW WHAT LEVELS ARE |
| 13:43.46 | afernandez | oops |
| 13:43.47 | afernandez | sorry |
| 13:44.06 | afernandez | thank you all |
| 13:44.21 | afernandez | it seems no one knows that here at the moment |
| 13:44.24 | afernandez | ill check later |
| 13:44.30 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 13:45.36 | Azrael_- | i've got a lamp-system and want to set up a mailcleaner-system for filtering the emails. how do i use it? |
| 13:45.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a Debian package manager frontend that's more complete (querying and managing packages)? apt, dpkg and aptitude look rather duct-taped. |
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| 13:46.38 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: aptitude has excellent search capabilities e.g.: aptitude search "~Peditor~i" |
| 13:46.56 | musca | finds your installed editors |
| 13:46.57 | afernandez | apt-cache search package_name |
| 13:46.59 | tremon | afernandez: auto-login (assuming graphical) is determined by the display manager (ie login screen), it has nothing to do with your runlevel |
| 13:47.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see, thanks. |
| 13:47.16 | tremon | Unless you're specifically asking for auto-login only in runlevel 3, in which case you need to define a separate init script/config per runlevel |
| 13:47.18 | afernandez | tremon: no graphical Level3 |
| 13:47.27 | afernandez | in graphical i know hoe to do |
| 13:47.31 | afernandez | thanks tremon |
| 13:47.40 | tremon | afernandez: debian has no runlevel 3 |
| 13:47.52 | tremon | levels 2-5 are all graphical |
| 13:47.56 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 13:48.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: hm, cool, thanks |
| 13:48.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perhaps I can use aptitude for most of the work, apt is very frustrating. |
| 13:48.50 | ball999 | nkuttler, php uses nginx I guess |
| 13:49.00 | ball999 | how to give nginx right to write in www folder please? |
| 13:49.02 | nkuttler | ball999: if you guess it probably uses apache |
| 13:49.21 | nkuttler | ball999: same thing, user running process needs +rw |
| 13:49.24 | tremon | for autologin on a virtual terminal, man login and man inittab |
| 13:49.25 | ball999 | how can I give php and nginx users w permission in one folder please? |
| 13:49.37 | ball999 | nkuttler, I am using nginx |
| 13:49.39 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: you will be surprised about aptitude :) |
| 13:49.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | ball999: PHP doesn't "use" anything. Secondly the permissions should just work out of the box. |
| 13:49.47 | nkuttler | ball999: you keep repeating yourself.. |
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| 13:50.57 | afernandez | tremon: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
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| 13:51.36 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: i switch between the tools, searching with aptitude, installing/dist-upgrading with apt-get. |
| 13:51.50 | tremon | afernandez: notice how it says "3-5 same as 2"? So you saying 3-5 as if that is automically non-graphical makes no sense |
| 13:52.06 | afernandez | 3 is no graphical |
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| 13:52.14 | nkuttler | afernandez: it certainly is here |
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| 13:52.27 | franki | hy |
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| 13:52.43 | afernandez | level 3 exists in debian |
| 13:53.12 | tremon | afernandez: please read a page before pasting it in here |
| 13:53.45 | afernandez | tremon: i think you should read |
| 13:53.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: I don't mind that, but I don't find it very unixy either. Each of those partially-implement some functionality |
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| 13:54.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: to my surprise I found out there was no way to ask one of them to check a package's signature. |
| 13:54.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | For example. |
| 13:54.59 | musca | hmm, i will think about it. |
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| 13:55.01 | martin-_- | how do I know where the files of the package libmysql-java are extracted? |
| 13:55.12 | tremon | dpkg -L |
| 13:55.12 | dpkg | Files in package tremon-pr0n: /srv/tremon-pr0n/tremon.jpg |
| 13:55.15 | nkuttler | martin-_-: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 13:55.20 | nkuttler | !tell martin-_- about search |
| 13:55.30 | tremon | thanks dpkg, I know those already |
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| 13:55.42 | martin-_- | tx nkuttler |
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| 13:55.49 | martin-_- | and Trellmor :) |
| 13:55.59 | martin-_- | I mean tremon sry |
| 13:56.03 | frankio | hy |
| 13:56.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | frankio: hi |
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| 13:56.42 | mafagaf0s | I am using debian testing (jessie), I upgraded already before redoing all the process of purging/normal removal and trying to reinstall |
| 13:56.53 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:57.00 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: I am assuming you want the default config files back? |
| 13:57.08 | mafagaf0s | yes |
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| 13:59.07 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: apt-get install debian-handbook and then file:///usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/html/sect.package-authentication.html |
| 13:59.58 | sevenfourk | oufo, Eduard_Munteanu: it appears some files in package: login had bad permissions, just reinstalled "login" and su works as expected for me. |
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| 14:00.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: ah, yeah, I know it can be done manually |
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| 14:00.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: I just find it weird you can't just ask the PM to do it |
| 14:00.33 | oufo | sevenfourk: cool |
| 14:00.45 | sevenfourk | oufo: weird shit, since I just deleted my user, and created one with the same sets of groups. |
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| 14:01.29 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: it's the kiss priciple, small tools specialising in a task, not softwaremonsters that do it all themselves |
| 14:01.46 | musca | that is unixy |
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| 14:02.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: I appreciate KISS but this is not the case here. |
| 14:02.47 | mafagaf0s | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/39a8f25c/ |
| 14:02.55 | mafagaf0s | it seems like it's not working |
| 14:03.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: there's a bunch of functionality apt-get uses but does not expose it, nor the lower level tools like dpkg |
| 14:03.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | You want a variation on that process? Tough, reimplement it. |
| 14:03.42 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: use 'install' over 'reinstall' since the package was already pruged/removed |
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| 14:04.35 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: seems that config file comes from nginx-common package. Is that package isntalled? |
| 14:04.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | (also IMO stuff like Release.gpg checking is an internal thing that shouldn't be exposed, not as the recommended method) |
| 14:05.22 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: that is also teh package you will have to reinstall with the confmiss factoid |
| 14:05.29 | mafagaf0s | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/22613ca7/ |
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| 14:06.55 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: all the functionality is in libapt-pkg4.12, the apt* tools are just frontends to it |
| 14:06.56 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: yea sorry I was slow (I don't use this software so I have to look things up). You need to reinstall nginx-common package with the confmiss option |
| 14:07.09 | somiaj | according to packages.debian.org that is the package that creates that config file |
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| 14:07.42 | neo1691 | Hello Everyone! |
| 14:07.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: hm, I see. Not exposed to the cmdline though. |
| 14:07.45 | musca | so apt-get or aptitude don't need to include apt-key. |
| 14:08.35 | foopla | Hi. Will clang replace gcc in Jessie? |
| 14:08.43 | musca | Eduard_Munteanu: yes |
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| 14:09.12 | neo1691 | I installed chrome, and it added a repository in my software sources, but unusually, its not there in sources.list. Weird |
| 14:09.14 | dep_ | How do i enable direct rendering with nvidia official drivers? |
| 14:09.16 | mafagaf0s | somiaj: thanks it worked :) |
| 14:09.16 | boudiccas | how can i go through my ~/Music directory and delete all of the '.mediaartlocal' in a script or commandline please? |
| 14:09.35 | neo1691 | dep_: Is it optimus enabled? |
| 14:09.57 | musca | foopla: there are a myriad of compilers in debian. |
| 14:10.06 | somiaj | mafagaf0s: I'm glad, (: |
| 14:10.26 | nkuttler | boudiccas: with find + rm |
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| 14:10.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | musca: is it just a C library? I think an universal low-level frontend would be more useful than another high-level frontend. |
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| 14:11.00 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks. is it not possible to have some line like a sed thingie? |
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| 14:11.08 | foopla | musca: yes but which one will be the default cc? |
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| 14:11.19 | nkuttler | boudiccas: what do you mean? |
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| 14:11.47 | hourd | boudiccas: if '.mediaartlocal' is a file then something like "find ~/Music -type f -name '.mediaartlocal' -exec rm {} \;" |
| 14:11.50 | dep_ | neo1691: optimus? |
| 14:12.08 | tremon | boudiccas: it is one line. find . -type -f a -name .mediaartlocal .delete |
| 14:12.13 | musca | !tell foopla about alternatives |
| 14:12.13 | tremon | err -delete |
| 14:12.47 | boudiccas | it goes throughthe directory, finding them and deleting as it finds them. '.mediaartlocal' is a directoiry which isnt empty but i still want it deleted |
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| 14:13.09 | jricketts | HAPPY BIRTHDAY! |
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| 14:13.20 | hourd | boudiccas: "find ~/Music -type d -name '.mediaartlocal' -exec rm -rf{} \;" |
| 14:13.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | That was random. |
| 14:13.27 | tremon | hmm, not sure if -delete works on dirs, otherwise the exec rm is the way to go. |
| 14:14.09 | hourd | boudiccas: I typed wrong, I would fix the spacing of the rm -rf {} |
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| 14:14.59 | nyuszika7h | Aug 16 11:06:33 cadoth kernel: [697081.265783] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 6667. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counter. |
| 14:15.03 | nyuszika7h | what should I do? |
| 14:15.13 | nyuszika7h | what is the SNMP counter and how should I check it? |
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| 14:15.57 | tremon | firstly, enjoy the cookies. Second, are you running a torrent client? 6667 seems like a torrent port |
| 14:16.15 | nyuszika7h | no |
| 14:16.17 | nyuszika7h | 6667 is IRC |
| 14:16.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | nyuszika7h: if you don't have a SNMP service, I don't think you have that |
| 14:16.19 | nyuszika7h | it's an ircd port |
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| 14:17.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | nyuszika7h: it could just mean the network's congested |
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| 14:17.40 | nyuszika7h | Eduard_Munteanu: can SYN flood be caused by a large number of TCP connections to some port? |
| 14:18.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | nyuszika7h: yeah |
| 14:18.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | nyuszika7h: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syn_cookies |
| 14:19.07 | nyuszika7h | ah, we connected massive numbers of clones to the ircd to test the clone limit and stuff |
| 14:19.27 | tremon | nyuszika7h: the "counters" are possibly just the iptables packet counters, listed with iptables -L (-v) |
| 14:19.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | nyuszika7h: heh, yeah. Also you don't need to keep SYN cookies enabled if you don't experience trouble. |
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| 14:19.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | tremon: I doubt it |
| 14:20.10 | tremon | and yes, that would trigger the warning. It's why I asked about torrent client, it's typical for certain types of connections :) |
| 14:20.58 | neo1691 | Anyone got android mtp working with debian |
| 14:21.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | neo1691: what isn't working? |
| 14:21.50 | neo1691 | File transfer |
| 14:22.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, you should ask a full question and offer details. |
| 14:22.13 | neo1691 | Eduard_Munteanu: When I connect my phone and copy something to and fro it gives error -6 |
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| 14:23.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | neo1691: what are you using, mtpfs? |
| 14:24.12 | neo1691 | Eduard_Munteanu: Basically nothing, I just want to connect my phone to debian and copy paste files using file manager. Like I used to do in ubuntu 13.04 or windows! |
| 14:24.30 | neo1691 | I recently move from ubuntu to debian :) (for good) |
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| 14:25.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. That involves functionality on the part of your DE. |
| 14:25.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | I've only used mtpfs and adb to get stuff on my phone, and pretty much only the latter. |
| 14:26.05 | boudiccas | with "find -type d -name '.mediaartloca' -exec rm -rf{} \;" it fails saying "rm: invalid option -- '.' Try 'rm --help' for more information" |
| 14:26.21 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, I am trying to install wheezy on a old p3 socket1 from live CD, it detects the CD and tries to run but no more than that. |
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| 14:26.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | boudiccas: -rf SPACE {} |
| 14:26.56 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
| 14:27.13 | fenhir | i need help. i try to install an older printer: Lexmark X125. downloaded the .ppd, installed it like for another printer on the same machine (which works)... i print on the lexmark... all seems fine... job is in the waiting... is processed.. and goes away after a few seconds... all seems like it works... unfortunately the printer doesnt print the job. no error in cups... no error on printer |
| 14:27.15 | PhoenixSTF | just booting from cd and the cdrom is not running, I tried from a squeeze netboot cd and it says ".... et all" then no more running. |
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| 14:27.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | PhoenixSTF: are you sure you got the 32bit one, not 64bit? |
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| 14:28.13 | boudiccas | Eduard_Munteanu, thanks, thats cleared them all out |
| 14:28.13 | hefest | happy birthday |
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| 14:29.02 | PhoenixSTF | Eduard_Munteanu, yes i386, the squeeze cd has been installed into a p4 before |
| 14:30.08 | ball999 | why i don't see php and nginx user or group in cat /etc/passwd ? |
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| 14:32.15 | ball999 | www-data is nginx user? |
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| 14:32.37 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 14:34.56 | dury | google earth release 7.1.1.1580 doesn't load panoramio images. what should I do downgrade the release or update the one I have |
| 14:35.12 | fenhir | oh fyi: the lexmark x125 itself is printing his test-page without the computer... so no problem on this side |
| 14:35.58 | ball999 | /usr/share/nginx/www/folder |
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| 14:36.08 | ball999 | can you please tell me how to give www-data permission to write in one folder? thanks in advance |
| 14:36.09 | DrOwl | Hi All, I have been having a little problem with Remmina, i am asking in here as it only started when i moved to 7.0 |
| 14:36.11 | ball999 | that is the folder |
| 14:36.45 | DrOwl | the problem is that that the state of NumLock is not being reconised |
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| 14:38.02 | DrOwl | eg if "local" NumbLock is in when i rpd to a remote server, its off on the remote server and have have have to disable it locally for the remote server to see it as on! |
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| 14:47.07 | satmandu | Anybody here who can answer a kernel options question? |
| 14:47.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | satmandu: can't really know until you ask |
| 14:47.28 | satmandu | heh |
| 14:47.43 | satmandu | How do I get the kernel to reboot if it can't find nfs rootfs? |
| 14:48.21 | tremon | that's not really a kernel option, you'd have to edit the initramfs script |
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| 14:48.53 | StathisA | hello, i'm using wheezy/jessie repos in sources.list and using APT pinning. i do a apt-cache show *packagename* and i get 2-3 versions. is there a way to know what version is coming through which repo? |
| 14:49.17 | satmandu | Sorry, is there a flag I can pass the kernel through initramfs to get it to reboot if it gets a vfs panic? |
| 14:49.25 | satmandu | instead of dropping to kdb? |
| 14:49.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | satmandu: there's an option to reboot on panic after n seconds |
| 14:49.57 | musca | StathisA: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 14:50.09 | tremon | StathisA: apt-cache show pkg/release |
| 14:50.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | satmandu: panic timeout or something |
| 14:50.19 | satmandu | kernel.panic = 5 or whatever? |
| 14:50.41 | satmandu | hmm ok I'll try that |
| 14:51.12 | StathisA | tremon that one does not report which versions is coming from which repo |
| 14:51.19 | StathisA | musca i'll try that, thanks |
| 14:51.46 | StathisA | musca Great, it works!~ |
| 14:52.06 | ZIPY | Eduard_Munteanu: im now on a fresh wheezy installation, just to make sure. i will run: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver and create a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf with the lines from the wiki right? |
| 14:52.28 | SirLagz | why do I have a wlan0.sta1 when I turn on 4addr mode on on my wifi stick... |
| 14:52.31 | tremon | StathisA: sorry, misread your question |
| 14:52.53 | StathisA | tremon no problem :-) |
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| 14:53.14 | tremon | good thing some people here can read properly :) |
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| 14:59.02 | tremon | satmandu: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29567/configure-reboot-on-linux-kernel-panic -- worth noting that this triggers a reboot on all kernel panics, not just on boot. You could set it on boot, and unset it via /etc/sysctl |
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| 15:00.18 | koollman | tremon: well, it's useful all the time, not just on boot :) |
| 15:00.28 | tremon | however, I'm not sure that not debian finding the rootfs triggers a kernel panic by default. iirc, debian drops to a shell by default |
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| 15:00.50 | tremon | s/not debian/debian not/ |
| 15:01.08 | StathisA | one more question...i got a APT pin for jessie with priority 800 and for wheezy priority 300. this will install packages primarily from jessie, right? |
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| 15:01.27 | tremon | yes |
| 15:01.57 | tremon | it will also prefer 3rd-party packages over wheezy, since the default priority is 500. This may not be what you want |
| 15:02.23 | StathisA | ok, i now need a specific package coming from "experimental"...will giving it a higher prio (for e.g 900) will that work also? |
| 15:02.43 | StathisA | oh...so maybe i should lower "jessie" prio to 500 then? |
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| 15:03.11 | tremon | no I would raise wheezy's priority too 600 |
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| 15:03.22 | tremon | needs to learn to type properly |
| 15:04.21 | StathisA | ok done. what about that special "experimental" package...will prio 900 on that one install it from there all the time? |
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| 15:05.04 | tremon | if you want that package coming from experimental by default, then yes. If you only want to install it from experimental now, but track it down to jessie once it is released properly, then no |
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| 15:05.35 | satmandu | tremon: Thanks. Trying setting panic=-1 as per https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 15:05.59 | StathisA | hmm...considering that wheezy has a much older version now, i wouldnt bet it being implemented soon...:-) |
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| 15:06.51 | tremon | you can install singular packages from other releases using install package/release or install -t release package, these packages will be tracked according to your release pins automatically |
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| 15:07.23 | ZIPY | how do i activate overscan on flgrx? |
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| 15:07.47 | dury | got this google earth release 7.1.1.1580 I want to upgrade it by repositories in debian wheezy |
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| 15:07.59 | StathisA | yes i did that already, installed from experimental, but now i needed to learn how to track it from there also :-) |
| 15:08.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZIPY: probably from the Catalyst Control Center (amdcccle) |
| 15:08.16 | StathisA | in the mean time, upgrade the system to track jessie by default |
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| 15:08.34 | StathisA | two birds with one stone i guess |
| 15:09.03 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. I just configured eth4 (assined an IP and Mask), there is no cable link between that interface and a switch or other server, then I did # ifup eth4 ... then ping successfull. Later on I did # ifdown eth4. I did the ping again from other server and it responded.... I did # ifconfig eth4 down.... and still responded. I commented the configuration lines in /etc/network/interfaces, and still responded. And when I do # ssh 192.168.8.250.... |
| 15:09.04 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: what does ip route get IP_ADDRESS say? |
| 15:09.38 | starbuck | hi, i have the problem that after reboot or startup my debian server the transmission-daemon seems to be running (ps -A | grep transmission-d) but it actually isn't. i have to do a manual "service transmission-daemon restart" to make it work. what could be the problem? |
| 15:09.50 | ZIPY | aticonfig --set-pcs-val=MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan,0 Set key MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan worked :D |
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| 15:10.15 | ZIPY | Eduard_Munteanu: oh i thought amdcccle is only available from the ati page |
| 15:10.23 | tremon | StathisA: in these cases, I usually use a package pin on release only. So package: $package, Pin: release o=Debian. This way, the highest version in any of the debian releases is preferred |
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| 15:10.25 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, It says: 192.168.8.250 dev eth0 src 192.168.8.1 |
| 15:10.26 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.27 | SirLagz | what's a good network / packet sniffing tool to use on the command line ? |
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| 15:10.41 | mumpitze1 | SirLagz: tcpdump |
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| 15:10.52 | SirLagz | mumpitze1: sorry, should have mentioned apart from tcpdump |
| 15:10.54 | tremon | (in any of the debian archives, to use the proper terms) |
| 15:11.08 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, what does that mean? |
| 15:11.09 | StathisA | tremon will that include experimental too? |
| 15:11.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: looks like it goes through eth0, check the address and netmask |
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| 15:11.47 | tremon | StathisA: yes, because of the o=Debian. It will also not include 3rd-party repo's |
| 15:11.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: it says "for 192.168.8.250 I send packets on eth0 with source IP address 192.168.8.1" |
| 15:11.58 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes, I did, 8.250 is not configured on that interface. It's got 8.254 |
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| 15:12.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: um, you have overlapping address classes on two different interfaces? |
| 15:12.43 | mafagaf0s | how can i know which user is running transmission-daemon so that i can log in on the web interface to configure it? |
| 15:12.49 | StathisA | tremon that might actually be better than pinning to experimental indeed. but dont i have to include all the "versions" in sources.list? now i only have jessie/experimental repos in there |
| 15:13.12 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, overlapping address classes? ... You mean that I have the same netmask in both interfaces? |
| 15:13.26 | dimitry7 | Yes I have it like that. But eth4 is not even Up |
| 15:13.30 | dimitry7 | it is down |
| 15:13.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: do you have the same network address on both? |
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| 15:14.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: like 192.168.8.x / 255.255.255.0? |
| 15:14.26 | tremon | StathisA: you don't have to. apt pinning works on the information in your current apt cache. It will only complain if there are specific tags (like a=unstable or n=lenny) in your preferences that are not in the cache |
| 15:14.42 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, no, I have the same netmask which is /24. The addresses are for Eth2=8.254 and for Eth4= 2.250 |
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| 15:15.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: what's eth0 though? |
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| 15:15.07 | fenhir | any hint, where i should look for a solution with my lexmark x125? a howto how someone got it working with wheezy? another channel? |
| 15:15.08 | Kriss3d | hmm im told 6.07 squeeze is old.. Is there anything i can do to upgrade to most recent ? i assume its a nonstable version |
| 15:15.15 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, okay let me send you something |
| 15:15.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: it would help to pastebin your configuration |
| 15:15.41 | StathisA | tremon so it wouldnt matter if i removed the experimental repos from the sources.list for example... |
| 15:15.55 | tremon | that's right |
| 15:15.58 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, http://pastebin.com/7fRpTfAK those are all my interfaces |
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| 15:16.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: right... eth2 and eth4 overlap |
| 15:16.44 | tremon | Kriss3d: squeeze is oldstable, current stable is wheezy |
| 15:16.44 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, really? Why? |
| 15:17.12 | tremon | !tell Kriss3d about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:17.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: 192.168.8.250/24 means "I have the IP 192.168.8.250 in the 192.168.8.0-255 network" |
| 15:18.08 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, Yes, I agree. |
| 15:18.26 | dimitry7 | and eth2 has 8.254 |
| 15:18.28 | fenhir | here: https://www.openprinting.org/driver/drv_x125/ it is said i should put the queue to /dev/null... else all seems good, but it doesnt print... which is exactly my problem now... but where and how should i do this. i tried to change the DeviceURI to /dev/null ... that doesent work... but i dont see anything in cups-conf-files about a "queue"? is it for an older version of cups? |
| 15:18.29 | dimitry7 | not 8.250 |
| 15:18.32 | StathisA | tremon thanks a lot! |
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| 15:18.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: that's almost never a good idea, the networks overlap |
| 15:19.00 | tremon | yw |
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| 15:19.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: for instance, which one do you ping if you pick 192.168.8.123 as the target? |
| 15:19.32 | tremon | dimitry7: are you certain there are no other machines on your network with ip address 192.168.8.250? |
| 15:19.56 | dimitry7 | tremon, Yes I am certain because ssh takes me to the server. |
| 15:20.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | He's using the same 192.168.8.0/24 on eth2 and eth4. |
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| 15:20.10 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, which one do I ping, I don't know |
| 15:20.13 | tremon | "the server" being the local machine, or a different one? |
| 15:20.16 | fenhir | should i setup a lenny or such to test it? |
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| 15:20.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: you should pick different prefixes then, like 192.168.{8,9} |
| 15:20.56 | dimitry7 | tremon, yes the local machine. |
| 15:21.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Err... are you pinging yourself? |
| 15:21.21 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, ok so you say that every interface must be on different network segments?? |
| 15:21.29 | tremon | dimitry7: can you paste the output of ip -s addr and ip -s link? |
| 15:21.37 | dimitry7 | tremon, sure. |
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| 15:21.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: different networks in the sense of different IP classes |
| 15:22.32 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, class A, B or C? |
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| 15:23.02 | tremon | fails to resist the urge to point out that network classes have been deprecated since 1993 |
| 15:23.40 | dimitry7 | tremon, ip -s addr: http://pastebin.com/CV1N0WqU |
| 15:23.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: I mean your classes (in the CIDR sense, not A,B,C) shouldn't overlap |
| 15:24.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: do you know how to determine the range of IPs a class spans from "ip/netmask"? |
| 15:24.35 | dimitry7 | tremon, ip -s link: http://pastebin.com/1ZXHRfLj |
| 15:25.19 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, IP ranges, given a Mask. Yes. But not about CIDR |
| 15:26.03 | tremon | dimitry7: that looks good. Insane, but not wrong. Only thing I can think of is that the mac address for 192.168.8.250 is still in your arp cache |
| 15:26.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: CIDR just deprecates the ABC convention and says you can divide your networks as you wish using any valid netmask |
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| 15:26.30 | dimitry7 | tremon, how do I delete the cache? |
| 15:26.41 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, oh yes with VLSM ? |
| 15:26.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: such that e.g. you can divide an A class prefix into smaller units. |
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| 15:26.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not sure what VLSM is. |
| 15:27.06 | dimitry7 | okay |
| 15:27.59 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, Okay i understand what you mean... but what does it have to do with having different IPs on the same network segment assined to different interfaces? |
| 15:28.14 | tremon | ip -s neigh shows your arp cache, don't know how to clear it |
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| 15:28.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: it doesn't, but I was wondering if you understood why the two overlap |
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| 15:28.59 | dimitry7 | tremon, there is no 250 address |
| 15:29.11 | tremon | ahw... there goes my theory ;) |
| 15:29.17 | mafagaf0s | got it nvm |
| 15:29.24 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, I don't |
| 15:29.26 | dimitry7 | :-( |
| 15:29.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: is it the same physical network as well? |
| 15:30.02 | DrOwl | It turns out The bug in Remmina Is fixed in the sources head but there is no release yet... there is a bug report for it in the debian already too. Its all a little confusing though Remmina seems to have no Maintainer any more |
| 15:30.05 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, okay I see that they are in the same network... but if they have different IPs, there shouln't be a problem |
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| 15:30.08 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes |
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| 15:30.35 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, same physical network, but one THING: eth4 and eth5 are NOT connected with an ethernet cable. |
| 15:30.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: it does if the routes overlap |
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| 15:30.59 | tremon | dimitry7: actually, there might be a problem: you've created a network loop, since I'm assuming from your pptp links that you also have ip forwarding enabled |
| 15:31.35 | tremon | ah yes, slight adaptation: you will create a network loop if you connect eth4 |
| 15:31.54 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, okay let me see if I got it |
| 15:32.48 | tremon | still doesn't explain why you can still reach the server on .250 though |
| 15:32.54 | dimitry7 | any different IP assined to any interface that is in the same network segment... would ping all each other ? |
| 15:33.07 | zmode | .............. |
| 15:33.15 | dimitry7 | why do I reach 8.250 ? |
| 15:33.15 | tremon | not ping specifically, but broadcast traffic, yes |
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| 15:34.13 | tremon | let's do one thing at a time, right? network segmenting is more important, the rest is curiosity |
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| 15:35.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: can you also paste ip route show ? |
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| 15:36.22 | Scall | Hello everyone, how can I prevent "dh_installinit" from adding "invoke-rc.d [service] start" and "/etc/init.d/[service] start" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/[service].postinst? I don't want that a service is started just when the package installation is finished. What should I change in "/usr/bin/dh_installinit"? Thanks in advance. |
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| 15:39.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: actually wait, try running tcpdump -nv a bit while you ping. |
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| 15:40.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Scall: not that, you have to make a /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 15:40.44 | dimitry7 | Sorry to leave |
| 15:40.45 | ZIPY | is there any other way to toggle to fullscreen in gnash then rightclick and select from menu? |
| 15:40.58 | dimitry7 | there was an earthquake here in Mexico City now :-( |
| 15:41.07 | ZIPY | or should i install flashplayer again |
| 15:41.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Scall: http://serverfault.com/questions/29544/how-do-i-stop-ubuntu-from-starting-daemons-ive-not-explicitly-asked-to-run and search for policy-rc.d |
| 15:42.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: ouch |
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| 15:42.59 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, Since 1985.... we are afraid of this.... |
| 15:43.14 | dimitry7 | almost 50% of the city destroyed |
| 15:43.17 | Scall | Eduard_Munteanu: many thanks |
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| 15:46.53 | dury | got a problem with google earth version 7.1.1.1888 can't see panoramio photos |
| 15:47.09 | dury | debian wheezy |
| 15:47.26 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, appears a lot of stuff |
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| 15:51.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is the default policy for Debian to autostart services upon installation encoded / documented / commented anywhere? |
| 15:51.18 | Diranged | If I have a debian control file that builds two binary packages, is there a way to share the Depends between them? |
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| 15:52.24 | jesther | Diranged: You're asking if the depends come integrated within each other? Yes, of course. |
| 15:52.54 | Diranged | No, im wondering if I can use a variable common between both binary packages so I dont have to list them twice |
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| 15:53.05 | Diranged | more importantly, so someone updating this file in the future doesnt update ONE binary Depends, and miss the other.. |
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| 15:53.23 | jesther | Yes, it works like DLLs in Windows. Shared object libs. |
| 15:53.27 | fish-bone | Happy 20th anniversary dear Debian. |
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| 15:55.45 | dury | anyone can advice me about http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/earth/_h4t6SpY_II |
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| 15:57.48 | NoOova | Hello all! COngratulations! Happy birthday! |
| 15:58.14 | NoOova | Anybody know what mean "igbvf" in intel network card driver name? |
| 15:58.21 | patmacs_ | I'm trying to find a file that is similar to OSX's /etc/paths, is there one thats like that for Debian? It should order the way /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin are loaded |
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| 16:00.36 | katsklaw | what is a good package to use to help clean up left over files not removed by software after uninstallation? |
| 16:01.45 | tremon | Diranged: you may want to ask #debian-mentors on oftc, but iirc you could declare depends at the source-package level; maybe that was only build-depends, not sure |
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| 16:02.32 | jordemort | patmacs_: try /etc/profile? |
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| 16:03.29 | Diranged | hmm im thinking i can use the substvars file.. digging into it right now |
| 16:03.37 | patmacs_ | jordemort: ok will do, thanks! |
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| 16:04.26 | jordemort | patmacs_: it's a lot more than just the path in there, but i think that's where shells get their default |
| 16:04.54 | patmacs_ | jordemort: ok, I dug through here before but didn't see anything along the lines of that |
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| 16:05.24 | patmacs_ | Trying to install bitmessage. Have you checked that out yet? It looks awesome |
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| 16:05.39 | jordemort | patmacs_: I've got /etc/environment with a PATH= definition in it |
| 16:05.47 | jordemort | i'm not sure what reads that, might be worth a go |
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| 16:06.45 | jordemort | indeed, bitmessage looks cool |
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| 16:07.41 | patmacs_ | ok, the problem I'm having is multiuple versions of python on my server. God knows why 2.7.3 and 2.7.5 are so vastly diff. I get that 3.x is compatible with 2.7.5. But it just seems sloppy to me |
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| 16:10.02 | jordemort | you could just change the #! in your script to ask specifically for /usr/bin/python3 or /usr/bin/python2.7 or whatever instead of just 'python' |
| 16:10.30 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, how do I reset it? |
| 16:10.38 | dimitry7 | because i configured other it segment |
| 16:10.45 | dimitry7 | and 8.250 still respond pings :-/ |
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| 16:13.44 | patmacs_ | jordemort: I've given that a shot, but it's still strange. it still can't pull python2.7.5, it pulls 2.7.3 that way |
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| 16:14.54 | katsklaw | nevermind guys .. I found it :) |
| 16:15.04 | patmacs_ | katsklaw: what was your solution? |
| 16:15.09 | jordemort | patmacs_: run 'dpkg-query --search bin/python', see what python interpreters you've got. it would be weird for you to have both 2.7.3 and 2.7.5 installed at the same time |
| 16:16.01 | jordemort | and it would be weird for a script to run on one but not the other unless it was hitting some very specific bug, 2.7.3 and 2.7.5 should behave pretty much identically, it's 2.x vs 3.x where stuff gets sketchy |
| 16:16.02 | katsklaw | patmacs_, It looks like deborphan and aptitude does the trick, I guess I didn't read enough docs .. |
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| 16:16.58 | patmacs_ | thanks jordemort++ |
| 16:19.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: well, how did you configure them in the first place? |
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| 16:25.20 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, just adding the entires in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:25.33 | dimitry7 | and then doing # ifup eth4 and 5 |
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| 16:26.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: service network-interface restart INTERFACE=... |
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| 16:27.55 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, network-interface: unrecognized service |
| 16:29.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: service networking restart ? |
| 16:29.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | I forget. |
| 16:29.37 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, I can't do that bro... it is a remote server. There is people working on it. |
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| 16:31.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: then ifdown and ifup them back |
| 16:31.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Unless you're connected through one of them. |
| 16:31.33 | ghostlines | Good evening, is there a way to find out if your disk is using ahci mode from within Linux? |
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| 16:32.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | ghostlines: grep dmesg for ahci? |
| 16:32.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | e.g. dmesg | grep -i ahci | less |
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| 16:33.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | lshw might also tell you, or you can collect it from /sys presumably. |
| 16:33.19 | ghostlines | Eduard_Munteanu, I did that and someone said it isn't trustworthy i just lists if it's capable. I receive this though: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 6 ports 6 Gbps 0x3 impl SATA mode |
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| 16:39.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | ghostlines: try lshw or look under /sys/module/ahci/drivers/pci\:ahci/, it lists the devices it's responsible for |
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| 16:43.56 | ghostlines | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.50 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, let me check |
| 16:46.45 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, okay 8.250 does not respond any more. |
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| 16:47.17 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, guess what? |
| 16:47.28 | dimitry7 | I can ping 9.250 and the interface is down |
| 16:47.52 | dimitry7 | netmask is /24 |
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| 16:48.25 | yanic | hi, I'm using sqeeze and running on a lenovo t430. I have problems with my embedded microphone (haven't tried an external either). It does not work... any hints ? |
| 16:49.03 | mtn | yanic: describe the steps you have done to correct your problem first |
| 16:49.37 | yanic | mtn, I haven't done anything so far. No idea to tackle it down |
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| 16:49.53 | yanic | mtn, besides googling... |
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| 16:50.01 | mtn | yanic: you didn't even look at your sound tools? |
| 16:50.11 | jesther | yanic: try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_the_sound_infrastructure |
| 16:50.39 | yanic | mtn, I tried to change the configuration of alsamixer. I'm not sure exactly what every bar does there though.... |
| 16:51.05 | jesther | Press m to enable. |
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| 16:52.20 | yanic | jesther, everything is enabled |
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| 16:52.50 | jesther | So you have sound. |
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| 16:54.04 | yanic | jesther, I do have sound (there is some noise when it's high). Its the mic that doesnt work |
| 16:54.48 | jesther | You might need software that supports the mic. |
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| 16:55.05 | jesther | The mic should work with the specific software. |
| 16:55.15 | mtn | yanic: how do you know the mic does't work? |
| 16:55.30 | pduersteler | When the filesystem of a kvm/qemu guest is located on an LVM volume, does the guest need lvm by itself or is it enough to just do "plain" partitioning? I am asking because I am not sure about expanding the space later; the lv can be extended, but what about the filesystem inside the vm then, when not having lvm there also? |
| 16:55.54 | yanic | mtn, there is a tool here. Sound recorder. I'm trying to record myself... no luck |
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| 16:56.22 | mtn | yanic: maybe try some other tools before you have no working mic |
| 16:56.31 | mtn | before you decide, that is |
| 16:56.38 | jesther | yanic: Audacity... |
| 16:56.50 | yanic | mtn, tested it with skype as well |
| 16:57.24 | mtn | yanic: you could have said so long time ago, would have helped us know what you had done. I am out of ideas |
| 16:57.36 | jesther | pduersteler: You could do that with parted. I've tried gparted and it works wonders. |
| 16:57.41 | mtn | loves playing 20 questions |
| 16:57.44 | jesther | Wait, it's LVM. |
| 16:57.53 | jesther | Uhm, not sure. |
| 16:58.27 | pduersteler | jesther: lvm host, ?? guest (both without GUI) <- lvm or plain? |
| 16:58.42 | pduersteler | ;) |
| 16:59.05 | jesther | Yeah. Try google. I saw a blogspot entry once about it. |
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| 17:00.08 | jesther | pduersteler: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_optimization_of_solid_state_drive |
| 17:01.39 | jesther | I don't see why guest needs to do partitioning though. |
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| 17:02.16 | jesther | Plain partitioning is more robust than LVM, /me thinks. |
| 17:02.17 | tremon | pduersteler: the lvm volume is presented as a raw block device to the client, so it depends on the client. But it would require a partition table if it's your client's boot disk (unless using xen) |
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| 17:02.49 | tremon | not really, using lvm as backing store allows you to use dm_thin, i.e. thin provisioning your vm guests |
| 17:03.15 | pduersteler | hm, just found a part where they create the boot/swap/root partition on the host and just assign them to the guest |
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| 17:04.59 | cike | hy |
| 17:05.04 | jesther | pduersteler: What would you like to gain off of this info? |
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| 17:05.16 | jesther | Just curious. |
| 17:05.51 | jesther | Duh... |
| 17:06.13 | pduersteler | basically, I just want to have a hassle-free opportunity to expand the root fs of the guest when needed, and I am not sure if there is a required way to achieve this, or if every way does allow this, sort of |
| 17:06.20 | pduersteler | hence the question |
| 17:06.33 | jesther | pduersteler: You mean like quotas. |
| 17:06.53 | jesther | Hm. I'm baffled. |
| 17:07.10 | pduersteler | jesther: sort of. let's say there is a webserver, and I need more space on it; then i'd expand the lv the machine is on, but I am not sure how to handle this expansion inside the vm itself |
| 17:07.16 | tremon | obviously, resizing logical volumes is much easier and much quicker than resizing raw partitions |
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| 17:07.58 | jesther | Yeah, it's much better to pre-define the LVM then set the quotas after so you won't have to deal with too much error prone editing on HDDs. |
| 17:08.14 | tremon | it depends on the vm, but both windows and linux can handle resizing their fs online |
| 17:08.32 | pduersteler | but as I now have both ways, I try the third one and do some testing, and the migrate the rest to have it one-way. |
| 17:08.34 | pduersteler | thank you both |
| 17:08.57 | jesther | BSD uses their own ways to how a HDD works. I didn't recall seeing anything about LVM in their installs. |
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| 17:09.22 | jesther | Funkarelic. |
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| 17:11.04 | nicoo | jesther: *BSD have their equivalents to LVM |
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| 17:11.21 | Samul | hi all |
| 17:11.26 | jesther | Saw it. A little hard for the novice. |
| 17:11.27 | nicoo | (See GEOM or ZFS) |
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| 17:12.14 | linuxpoet | Why does jessie netinst want to force me to use a cdrom? I downloaded the netinst iso, shouldn't it not need a cdrom? |
| 17:12.30 | Samul | I'm trying to install skype on debian 7 wheezy 64 bit. when I run the .deb package, it says my OS' arch is not compatible. in fact, I noticed that it is i386. how can I install it? |
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| 17:13.19 | sevenfourk | you need to add i386 arch. |
| 17:13.33 | Samul | how can I add this? |
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| 17:13.48 | sevenfourk | dpkg --add-architecture |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | sevenfourk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:14.05 | el_isma | Hi. Has anyone seen this problem? I've got a new VPS, if I do apt-get update it hangs forever with "waiting for headers" and eventually "connection failed". I tried changing mirrors and it doesn't help. Tried googling but found nothing useful. Any ideas? |
| 17:14.13 | Samul | sevenfourk: so dpkg --add-i386 ? |
| 17:14.14 | tremon | linuxpoet: I can think of two reasons, 1) the jessie netinst is broken (it's called "testing" for a reason), 2) the installer did not find a network connection it could use |
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| 17:14.41 | Samul | el_isma: where did you take the VPS from? |
| 17:14.55 | sevenfourk | Samul: --add-architecture architecture, but you can also check man dpkg. |
| 17:14.57 | el_isma | Samul: the provider? YardVPS |
| 17:15.02 | linuxpoet | tremon: usually it tells us though (as I recall) |
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| 17:15.18 | linuxpoet | tremon: this doesn't have any possibility to even try and detect or specify. It requires a cdrom or fails |
| 17:15.23 | Samul | el_isma: you should contact support, it may be a problem with connection |
| 17:15.25 | linuxpoet | tremon: so I am leaning toward broken |
| 17:15.45 | Samul | sevenfourk: so add-architecture i386 ? |
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| 17:16.12 | el_isma | Samul: I have, but so far they didn't answer. |
| 17:16.30 | Samul | wait still some hours |
| 17:16.31 | tremon | try #debian-boot on oftc, that's where the installer developers hang out. Also note that the recommended way to install jessie is through the wheezy installer |
| 17:16.53 | linuxpoet | tremon: blink, well that is counterintuitive... but thanks. I will bounce over to oftc |
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| 17:17.59 | sevenfourk | Samul: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386, if you're so lazy. |
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| 17:18.06 | Samul | OK thanks |
| 17:18.08 | Samul | lol |
| 17:18.33 | tremon | el_isma: does your VPS have network connectivity at all? |
| 17:18.48 | Samul | ^ |
| 17:19.13 | el_isma | tremon: I can ssh in! I can ping stuff |
| 17:19.59 | tremon | linuxpoet: it's simply that the debian-installer can be in flux even more than debian testing itself, and the wheezy installer is usually capable of installing testing directly. |
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| 17:21.03 | tremon | el_isma: well then apt should work too. Check if a specific proxy has been configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, and verify (using wget or links) that port 80 isn't blocked outbound |
| 17:21.06 | el_isma | tremon: I can't wget anything :( |
| 17:21.12 | critter | hi, my server is crashing (dont know if hardware or software related), how can I diagnose the cause of the problem? |
| 17:21.19 | tremon | then possibly port 80 is blocked |
| 17:21.24 | pmo | any of you also get a kernel panic with the latest Debian Jessie kernel? (i got in with an older kernel) |
| 17:21.41 | koollman | critter: have a look at the logs right before the crash (at least /var/log/syslog) |
| 17:21.45 | el_isma | tremon: my iptables is empty, you mean my provider is blocking it? |
| 17:22.34 | tremon | yes, possibly. Since you do have ssh connectivity, the general network setup is working. But if you can reach no sites over http, there's little else to point to |
| 17:22.51 | critter | koollman, thanks |
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| 17:23.04 | tremon | you can try tcping or udping, but that's probably not installed yet |
| 17:23.22 | jesther | el_isma: If you can ping, try pinging the location of the mirror you're trying to apt to. |
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| 17:27.00 | ZIPY | how do i disable the pcspeaker beep on shutdown etc? im pretty sure i did this the last time: http://arsgeek.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-turn-off-the-annoying-system-beep-in-linux-DebianUbuntu |
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| 17:27.19 | ZIPY | it doesnt work, while the rmmod pcspkr comand works |
| 17:27.48 | jesther | ZIPY: You might want to disable that with your X environment. |
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| 17:30.17 | tremon | ZIPY: iirc, the only correct fix was to edit the bsdutils sources and remove the beep from wall.c |
| 17:30.18 | jesther | And how could it be possible to turn it off when shutting down using a shutdown from X by using rmmod? |
| 17:31.47 | nkuttler | hrm, what's the quickes way to set up an email address that forwards to multiple addresses? can i do that in /etc/aliases or exim config? |
| 17:31.58 | nkuttler | i guess i could just procmail that.. |
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| 17:35.12 | ZIPY | lol strange |
| 17:35.26 | ZIPY | i changed blacklist filename to nobeep.conf and it works |
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| 17:35.48 | ZIPY | so modprobe just accepts .conf files? |
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| 17:39.13 | jesther | It doesn't work like that. The modules are called mod.ko. |
| 17:39.32 | ZIPY | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_PC_Speaker_Beep |
| 17:39.50 | jesther | You using arch or Debian? |
| 17:39.58 | ZIPY | debian but it worked too |
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| 17:40.42 | jesther | As the way it should recommend, though the problem is that .confs could corrupt your system when using different distro configs. |
| 17:41.02 | jesther | So I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 17:41.20 | ZIPY | hmm so i should go with main.c? |
| 17:41.29 | ZIPY | but i think i tried that out someday too |
| 17:41.39 | ZIPY | on my installation before |
| 17:41.42 | jesther | Hey, I ain't busy with my buns yet, but yeah sound is important when leaving your post. |
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| 17:42.23 | ZIPY | huh? its just the pcspeeker beep |
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| 17:43.01 | jesther | Yep. I wonder if those beeps or hi-fi or lo-fi. |
| 17:43.07 | jesther | *are. |
| 17:43.39 | jesther | Y'know. Like you can make beeps that ring like Christmas. |
| 17:44.07 | jesther | thinks that's included in a library |
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| 17:45.05 | confusid | Is there a way to down grade? go from testing to wheezy without reinstalling? |
| 17:45.21 | tgs3 | confusid: not really |
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| 17:46.34 | confusid | ok, ty |
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| 18:04.51 | pmo | Happy birthday debian :) i had cake on this lovely day http://www.tømrersvend.dk/upload/kagerating/09112007150%5B1024x768%5DxT.jpg |
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| 18:07.55 | Samul | lol pmo |
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| 18:09.29 | Samul | pmo: is it really debian's birthday? |
| 18:09.54 | koollman | Samul: yes |
| 18:09.59 | Samul | woah |
| 18:10.02 | koollman | Samul: http://bits.debian.org/2013/08/20-birthday-debian.html |
| 18:10.04 | Samul | how old is it? |
| 18:10.06 | Samul | oh, ok |
| 18:10.07 | Samul | 20 |
| 18:10.25 | Samul | thanks |
| 18:10.34 | Samul | happy birthday, debian! |
| 18:10.36 | Samul | :) |
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| 18:10.47 | harambasha | One and only, Debian! |
| 18:11.21 | Samul | so yeah |
| 18:11.36 | pmo | Samul: yes :) |
| 18:12.16 | pmo | debian gave me a pressent too :D |
| 18:12.24 | pmo | a kernel panic :P |
| 18:12.32 | pmo | i'll fix it when im not sick tho |
| 18:12.34 | Samul | but lol |
| 18:12.52 | Samul | so, I have a question |
| 18:13.01 | Samul | I've a VPS with debian |
| 18:13.11 | rryoumaa | '"apt-get autoclean" This will clear the local repository of all the extra packages which can't be downloaded and are largely useless.' -- aren't the ones that can't be downloaded precisely the ones you want to /keep/? |
| 18:13.18 | Samul | so I'd like to protect you (yeah) |
| 18:13.33 | Samul | I installed fail2ban and changed ssh port |
| 18:13.50 | Samul | can I do some other things to protect it more than now? |
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| 18:14.08 | pmo | Samul: depends what you want to protect |
| 18:14.18 | pmo | you can also go all overboard and install CSF |
| 18:14.20 | koollman | Samul: if you changed ssh port, you probably also want to verify that the fail2ban configuration contains your port |
| 18:14.36 | pmo | http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html |
| 18:14.57 | Samul | koollman: already done that |
| 18:15.21 | Samul | I've taken a VPS from DO http://digitalocean.com |
| 18:15.28 | Samul | did you konow it? |
| 18:15.28 | pmo | i personally use SSHGuard instead of Fail2Ban |
| 18:15.37 | Samul | did you purchase a vps from it? |
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| 18:15.46 | pmo | http://www.sshguard.net/ |
| 18:15.49 | pmo | i find that one better |
| 18:15.58 | Samul | OK |
| 18:16.01 | Samul | thanks |
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| 18:16.58 | Samul | is it simple to configure sshguard? |
| 18:17.14 | pmo | just install it and you are more or less done |
| 18:17.23 | pmo | if you use apt-get for it that is |
| 18:17.38 | Samul | but it talks about lots of things |
| 18:17.43 | Samul | such as sendmail |
| 18:17.49 | pmo | yes |
| 18:17.54 | Samul | oh |
| 18:17.59 | Samul | and how can I set up it? |
| 18:18.01 | pmo | if you have that installed it will protect that too |
| 18:18.14 | pmo | just do apt-get install sshguard |
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| 18:18.23 | pmo | remove fail2ban first |
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| 18:18.43 | Samul | yeah but how can I, for example, set up email address to send warnings? |
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| 18:19.38 | pmo | i dont know if it can do that |
| 18:19.40 | pmo | havent tried |
| 18:19.45 | pmo | i know csf does |
| 18:19.59 | Samul | in less words |
| 18:20.02 | Samul | I just have to install it |
| 18:20.04 | Samul | true? |
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| 18:20.14 | pmo | yes |
| 18:20.19 | ImQ009 | HexChat is the best IRC client ever |
| 18:20.25 | ImQ009 | CrashCrashCrashCrash |
| 18:20.30 | Samul | lol |
| 18:20.35 | ImQ009 | Gee, I can't eveb ask a question |
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| 18:20.42 | pmo | ImQ009: try irssi or weechat |
| 18:20.47 | Samul | but does sshguard add firewall rules to ban users that wrong password? |
| 18:21.01 | pmo | yes |
| 18:21.05 | ImQ009 | Anyway |
| 18:21.06 | pmo | if its a bruteforce |
| 18:21.11 | ImQ009 | Hello there |
| 18:21.26 | Samul | can I set the number of times to wrong password before be banned? |
| 18:21.29 | pmo | its just like fail2ban but supports other services |
| 18:21.38 | pmo | you should be able to do that yes |
| 18:21.45 | Samul | well |
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| 18:21.56 | Samul | LOL |
| 18:22.28 | Samul | [20:21:45] ImQ009 [~vibrant@host-81-190-172-150.gorzow.mm.pl] è uscito da IRC: Read error: Connection reset by peer --> he said it |
| 18:22.29 | Samul | lol |
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| 18:23.02 | pmo | Samul: you can also whitelist yourself |
| 18:23.09 | Samul | yeah |
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| 18:23.14 | Samul | but I have a non-static IP |
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| 18:24.08 | pmo | well dont type in the wrong password in a loop and you are safe :P |
| 18:24.43 | Samul | lol |
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| 18:24.50 | Samul | I think I'll log in with private key |
| 18:25.06 | pmo | that is also better than using a password |
| 18:25.18 | jordemort | Samul: i ended up disabling password authentication on all my publicly-reachable sshds |
| 18:25.35 | Samul | yeah |
| 18:25.38 | Samul | I'd do this |
| 18:25.38 | jordemort | it's a mean old world out there |
| 18:25.46 | Samul | but I change computer several times |
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| 18:25.54 | pmo | i carry an usb with me, with my keys on |
| 18:25.57 | ImQ009 | Webchat. |
| 18:26.06 | ImQ009 | Anyway, I'll try to ask a question now |
| 18:26.11 | Samul | yeah |
| 18:26.14 | Samul | good lucky |
| 18:26.19 | jordemort | you could set up TOTP with google authenticator or something |
| 18:26.23 | jordemort | i think there is a pam module for it |
| 18:26.33 | jordemort | if you've got a mobile device you could run the authenticator on |
| 18:26.42 | Samul | I have a mobile device |
| 18:26.45 | Samul | but it is too old |
| 18:26.58 | jordemort | i think you can even get a J2ME TOTP app |
| 18:27.01 | Samul | it hasn't an operating system |
| 18:27.02 | Samul | lol |
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| 18:27.11 | Samul | it hasn't wi-fi |
| 18:27.16 | Samul | I pay connection with my mobile |
| 18:27.31 | ImQ009 | I'm a complete windowsfag, I have no idea how2linux. I'm trying to install Debian on my external USB drive, I've made new partitions, one ext4 126GiB and one swap 2GiB. Now, the installer says I need somekind of EFI boot thingy partition |
| 18:27.32 | jordemort | you don't need a connection to run the authenticator |
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| 18:27.38 | ImQ009 | What's the recommended size for that? |
| 18:27.56 | jordemort | you set up a shared secret on the server and on the authenticator and then they generate one-time-passwords in lockstep |
| 18:28.18 | jesther | ImQ009: Check the BIOS. I had that problem too. |
| 18:28.37 | ImQ009 | What do you mean check the BIOS? |
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| 18:28.45 | Samul | wait |
| 18:28.46 | jesther | To enable EFI boot. |
| 18:28.52 | Samul | to talk with server |
| 18:29.01 | Samul | does the mobile not need a connection? |
| 18:29.18 | jordemort | nope |
| 18:29.20 | ImQ009 | jesther: I'm still gonna need that partition though, right? |
| 18:29.26 | jesther | Yeah. |
| 18:29.26 | Samul | and how can them talk? |
| 18:29.45 | jesther | Oh, and have a separate partition for /boot with ext2. |
| 18:29.45 | jordemort | Saml: you put the same pin into the authenticator app and into your pam module config to start |
| 18:29.57 | ImQ009 | so |
| 18:30.00 | ImQ009 | I need 4 partitions? |
| 18:30.06 | jesther | Yep. |
| 18:30.07 | Samul | maybe |
| 18:30.07 | jordemort | Samul: and then they never talk again, they just use that pin to generate the same password for any given time |
| 18:30.10 | jesther | All primary. |
| 18:30.12 | ImQ009 | One for root, one for /boot one for swap and one for EFI? |
| 18:30.25 | ImQ009 | sheesh |
| 18:30.29 | jordemort | Samul: and then your login prompt asks for your regular password, and then for the authenticator password |
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| 18:30.35 | jesther | One for /, /boot, swap, and /home. |
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| 18:30.52 | Samul | jordemort: it is a way to set two password? |
| 18:30.54 | jordemort | you open up the authenticator on your phone and type the password it's displaying into your ssh connection, the pam module verifies it against your shared secret, and you're in |
| 18:30.57 | Samul | I think it would be more simple |
| 18:30.58 | jesther | EFI is a toggle switch. |
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| 18:31.32 | jordemort | Samul: like so you'd have to enter two different passwords in a row? i think you could probably do that in PAM somehow |
| 18:31.45 | Samul | jordemort: maybe I'm not understanding well |
| 18:31.50 | Samul | maybe the problem is with my english |
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| 18:31.58 | Samul | do you speak some other languages? |
| 18:32.43 | jordemort | Samul: sorry, I only have English |
| 18:32.48 | Samul | OK |
| 18:32.58 | jordemort | here is the wikipedia page for the concept tho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_One-time_Password_Algorithm |
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| 18:33.07 | Samul | OK thanks |
| 18:33.13 | Samul | oohhhhh |
| 18:33.15 | Samul | from the title |
| 18:33.21 | Samul | maybe I've understood |
| 18:33.36 | ImQ009 | jesther: And no, there isn't an EFI option in my BIOS |
| 18:33.43 | Samul | so, mobile and server have the same software |
| 18:33.45 | jordemort | Samul: here are some instructions for setting it up: http://www.mnxsolutions.com/security/two-factor-ssh-with-google-authenticator.html |
| 18:33.49 | Samul | that software makes a password |
| 18:33.55 | jesther | Check again. There should be if it's a later model. |
| 18:33.57 | Samul | it is the same both in server and in mobile |
| 18:34.01 | ImQ009 | I smell wrongness |
| 18:34.04 | Samul | you see in mobile |
| 18:34.13 | Samul | and that's the same password that is on the server |
| 18:34.14 | Samul | true? |
| 18:34.22 | jordemort | Samul: right |
| 18:34.30 | Samul | OK good |
| 18:34.32 | jordemort | Samul: and the password changes every 30 seconds or so |
| 18:34.48 | Samul | but I think I won't find it for my mobile |
| 18:34.53 | jordemort | Samul: but the server and the mobile have the same shared secret so they make the same series of passwords |
| 18:35.27 | jordemort | Samul: here is a version that should run even on very old mobiles: http://code.google.com/p/gauthj2me/ |
| 18:35.39 | Samul | I'm thinking |
| 18:35.52 | Samul | I think it would be the same thing |
| 18:36.00 | Samul | if the password would made on a PC |
| 18:36.04 | Samul | instead of a mobile |
| 18:36.06 | Samul | true? |
| 18:36.25 | jordemort | Samul: yes, instead of a mobile you could get a desktop app that generates the same passwords |
| 18:36.35 | Samul | good |
| 18:36.49 | jordemort | TOTP is an open standard so there are lots of different apps that work with it for lots of different platforms |
| 18:36.58 | Samul | I'll try it |
| 18:37.00 | Samul | thanks! |
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| 18:37.06 | ImQ009 | So |
| 18:37.10 | jordemort | Samul: good luck :) |
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| 18:37.26 | ImQ009 | Why does Debian installer think my system is UEFI when it's on a standard BIOS? |
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| 18:37.36 | ImQ009 | Why does it complain about not having an EFI partition? |
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| 18:37.56 | ImQ009 | That is slightly concerning |
| 18:38.10 | jesther | It uses packages that support older versions of hardware. |
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| 18:38.20 | ImQ009 | Yet it complains about EFI |
| 18:38.42 | ImQ009 | So, it makes think whether it's gonna work if I ignore that error |
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| 18:38.52 | jesther | Or uh, older techniques. |
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| 18:39.31 | ImQ009 | Ok, I'll ignore that error |
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| 19:04.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there any progress on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=88728 ? |
| 19:05.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | I want to get ssh-keygen to use /dev/random, or openssl to read at least as much entropy from /dev/random as the number of bytes it generates. |
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| 19:09.46 | daveee123 | when i change a shortcut(move workspace down) to control + down. i have to press it twice before it works. i have the same setup on my laptop and the laptop works fine |
| 19:09.52 | daveee123 | any suggestions? |
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| 19:14.54 | dimitry7 | why do I can ping an interface that is in another network segment... which does not exist in my topology... which has no cable link connnected... and which interface is down???? |
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| 19:15.04 | dimitry7 | ** ping an IP |
| 19:15.48 | dimitry7 | ok you see, i am testing my ports |
| 19:15.58 | dimitry7 | but they are not yet connected |
| 19:16.11 | keyvin | dimitry7 is this a laptop? |
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| 19:18.21 | keyvin | dimitry7 Only thing I can figure is you are on a laptop with an active wireless link pinging an address that isn't actually in a private scope. Otherwise IDK |
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| 19:21.52 | b3 | hi |
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| 19:22.43 | b3 | did someone know why when i install dedicated driver nvidia, driver didnt recognize my monitor? |
| 19:22.55 | Sevet | dimitry7: check traceroute |
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| 19:24.43 | dimitry7 | keyvin, no, it is a server |
| 19:25.24 | dimitry7 | keyvin, you see. Dell has just changed my damaged mother board.. so they ask me if the new ports are working well. (this is in a remote office ) so... |
| 19:25.48 | dimitry7 | I have ssh access to the server but the guy who helps me there out of town |
| 19:26.09 | dimitry7 | I have two servers there. 192.168.8.1 and 8.254 |
| 19:26.25 | dimitry7 | the mother board change was made in 8.1 |
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| 19:26.45 | dimitry7 | and I configured the interfaces for when he comes back he can test the ping |
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| 19:27.10 | dimitry7 | but what a surprise! I can ping the interfaces even when they are only configured and not connected |
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| 19:27.24 | dimitry7 | because mii-tool reports them as NO LINK |
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| 19:27.34 | dimitry7 | so? what happens? |
| 19:27.45 | blubberdiblub | dimitry7, what about ethtool? |
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| 19:29.20 | CuBe0wL | hi all! a few months ago I was stupid enough to mess with some symlinks around my nvidia drivers, and now when I'd like to run steam, I suspect there's some library mismatch. is there any way to tell if a file is NOT created by a script or placed by a package in the file system? |
| 19:29.43 | CuBe0wL | so in short: is there a way to clean those symlinks I made by hand? |
| 19:29.59 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, never used it |
| 19:30.10 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, what is the command? please° |
| 19:30.58 | blubberdiblub | dimitry7, "ethtool eth0" |
| 19:31.09 | blubberdiblub | dimitry7, replace eth0 with the name of your interface |
| 19:32.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: what are you doing, ping 192.168.8.254? |
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| 19:33.04 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, okay i will pastebin this |
| 19:33.42 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, since motherboard chance... i don't have eth0... I have eth2 to 5 hehe |
| 19:33.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: try ping -n 192.168.8.254 |
| 19:33.59 | blubberdiblub | dimitry7, just look for the "link detected" line. mii-tool might be lying |
| 19:34.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | You have to have the interface up when using mii-tool. |
| 19:34.39 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, http://pastebin.com/qsd1gPTH |
| 19:34.52 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, great to see you again dude :-) |
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| 19:35.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: I have a hunch :) |
| 19:35.15 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, i changed the segment, now is 99.0 and IPs 250 and 251 |
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| 19:36.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: um, you still have 2 NICs with an address within the same class? You were supposed to change them to different classes. |
| 19:36.28 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, Link detected: no |
| 19:36.29 | mallxs | can someone help me with a makefile ? it has to compare 2 directories and do lint & copy if destination is older |
| 19:36.47 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, I changed them to different class |
| 19:37.12 | dimitry7 | now it is not 192.168.8.0 it it is 192.168.99.0 |
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| 19:37.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | mallxs: and what are you having problems with? |
| 19:37.43 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, you mean I change them to /25 or something ? |
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| 19:38.03 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, no link dude |
| 19:38.09 | dimitry7 | blubberdiblub, what else do I test? |
| 19:38.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: no, you had 3 NICs on the same prefix. If you moved all of them to another one, then you still have the initial problem. :) |
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| 19:38.20 | mallxs | Eduard_Munteanu: i don't know how to compare two directorie tree's |
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| 19:39.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | mallxs: rsync, diff ... but I think you don't want to do that. Why compare the directories? |
| 19:40.25 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes that was the initial problem... now what is the problem ? :-( |
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| 19:41.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: let me rephrase... if you had 3 NICs all using .8.* and now you have 3 NICs all using .101.*, you haven't solved anything. |
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| 19:42.39 | mallxs | Eduard_Munteanu: i'm using rsync atm . but i can't do the lint then on the source file before coping; i'm developing on home system but can only run / test on customer side ( have a openvpn+mount to customer) |
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| 19:42.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: anyway, you should try ping -n and see if it still replies. |
| 19:43.10 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, no no. Now this is my config... this will be clear: http://pastebin.com/NceRaJbN |
| 19:43.39 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes it replies :-( |
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| 19:43.42 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 19:44.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | mallxs: run rsync as you do. But add targets to the makefile to make lint status files (anything does, really) from files. Then it will automagically run lint on the files that changed. |
| 19:44.26 | ZenWalker | when package update is acepted on testing, how many days after to move to official repositories? |
| 19:44.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: um, eth4 and eth5 still share the same class. |
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| 19:46.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: did you add the -n ? |
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| 19:46.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'd try doing an ip route get IPADDRESS to see what interface it's sending it on. I suspect some shenanigans in there. |
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| 19:48.46 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, oooh... okay problem solved, no check this config: http://pastebin.com/arJ6e3SS |
| 19:48.54 | dimitry7 | tested and same problem! |
| 19:49.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: hm... run ip route get IPADDR and paste the result. |
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| 19:50.15 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, http://pastebin.com/3EF3eeR4 this is my interfaces and ping |
| 19:50.20 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, okay |
| 19:50.56 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, # ip route get ... http://pastebin.com/R0fewqNh |
| 19:51.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: aha! Your routes are busted. |
| 19:51.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: wait, they're not busted, that's normal. |
| 19:52.07 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, really? what does that mean |
| 19:52.17 | dimitry7 | see this: # route -n |
| 19:52.30 | dimitry7 | 0.0.0.0 192.168.8.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 19:52.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: it pings another computer with that ip, through the 254 gateway |
| 19:52.43 | dimitry7 | on server 2 |
| 19:52.50 | dimitry7 | problem is with server 1 |
| 19:53.08 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, no because there is not 101 network here |
| 19:53.12 | dimitry7 | nor 100 |
| 19:53.22 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, do I tell you something? |
| 19:53.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: are you sure you're pinging from the correct machine? |
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| 19:53.40 | Kizer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsvB0BtWWs&feature=youtu.be |
| 19:53.54 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes, I ping before doing # ifup and the interface did not responded... then I did #ifup and ping started to reply |
| 19:54.34 | ZenWalker | ~/wc |
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| 19:54.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: what other machine are you talking about? The machine you did 'ip route get' on seems to have an eth0 and routes for it. |
| 19:55.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is that the same one you're pinging from? |
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| 19:55.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Looking at the hostname in the prompt it seems to be. |
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| 19:55.59 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes. I have two servers there. one is 8.1 and the 2nd is 8.254. To test the ports Dell changed on 8.254 I will test them from 8.1. But there is not cable connected yet. |
| 19:59.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: can you do an ip route flush and try the 'ip route get ADDR' again? |
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| 20:01.22 | hide | Hello. Anyone have a good how-to for setting up the mysql-cluster "the Debian way"? |
| 20:01.28 | ball999_ | how to enable numering of rows in vi? |
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| 20:03.44 | jesther | hide: What you mean by cluster? You'd like to configure your mysql databases? |
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| 20:03.53 | jesther | hide: There's phpmyadmin. |
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| 20:04.08 | hide | jesther: https://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/MysqlCluster Something like this... |
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| 20:04.49 | gnat_x | hi folks. i'm looking for a goodd reference to directory structure for packaing. namely where to put things that isn't opt when building a package. |
| 20:04.53 | gnat_x | anyone have one they prefer |
| 20:05.40 | ball999_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.14 | Samul | I'm going to quit, bye all! :D |
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| 20:06.52 | jesther | hide: It says that you are required to have 2 instances for high availability. |
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| 20:07.03 | jesther | And one for it just to function. |
| 20:07.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | What was the last thing I said? |
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| 20:07.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | got disconnected |
| 20:07.48 | jordemort | Eduard_Munteanu: |
| 20:07.48 | jordemort | dimitry7: can you do an ip route flush and try the 'ip route get ADDR' again? |
| 20:08.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
| 20:08.08 | gnat_x | ball999_: depends on the permissions of the directory, and how permissive you want to be. |
| 20:08.26 | jesther | But I'm not sure how to do the trick if it's a daemon. |
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| 20:09.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: I suspect you did something to udev, you seem to have changed MAC addresses too. |
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| 20:09.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: can you run ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 20:11.02 | gnat_x | ball999_: in short you can change the owner or group of the dir to www-data, and then flip the write bit. |
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| 20:12.31 | gnat_x | ball999_: so "chgrp www-data /path/to/dir; chmod g+w /path/to/dir" should put the dir in the www-data group and make it group writable. |
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| 20:14.08 | TehLink | Is the version string 7.1 supposed to be shown somewhere? |
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| 20:14.20 | TehLink | after an update |
| 20:14.21 | hide | jesther: yes, indeed |
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| 20:14.45 | jesther | You can try google on HOWTOs for multiple setups of daemons. |
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| 20:15.05 | salimabu | check out my youtube channel and videos http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLbLv8Aozc1OX-va_BmkebQ |
| 20:15.08 | jesther | That's the best I can offer. :) |
| 20:15.16 | gnat_x | TehLink: /etc/issue iirc. |
| 20:15.39 | Kriss3d | Evening everyone. Uhmm Id like to get latest possible debian 64 bit. Will that be installable by using the windows linux usb creator ? or do i need to actually burn it (im on windows now) |
| 20:16.17 | SmashingX | somebody that knows why this is not printing the string? |
| 20:16.29 | TehLink | gnat_x: no such file here |
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| 20:18.14 | SmashingX | echo "This works." | grep -E '[[:upper:]][[:upper:][:lower:] ]*\.' |
| 20:19.22 | jordemort | SmashingX: because you're looking for two sequential uppercase characters and you only have one in your string? |
| 20:19.52 | jordemort | er wait no i'm worng |
| 20:20.02 | jordemort | wrong even, miscounted square brackets |
| 20:20.11 | SmashingX | yep |
| 20:20.15 | SmashingX | it should print it out |
| 20:20.24 | jordemort | that'll learn me to use a proportional font in chat |
| 20:20.31 | SmashingX | what./ |
| 20:20.33 | SmashingX | wait |
| 20:20.35 | dimitry7 | Eduard_Munteanu, sure: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 20:20.38 | SmashingX | it does |
| 20:21.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | dimitry7: are you loading any routes and/or renaming any interfaces at boot? |
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| 20:24.16 | Kriss3d | Uhmm people.. uhmm in unetbootin i can pick debian unstableHD.. whats that ?? a brand new version ?? |
| 20:24.26 | Kriss3d | or what should i chose to get latest possible thats usable ? |
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| 20:25.11 | homeHours | whats the command to copy debian .iso to usb? cp file.iso /deb/sdb/ ;sync right? |
| 20:25.13 | m8 | Hi, i can reload gnome panels? When resolution change the panels doesn't adapts the width of the screen |
| 20:25.16 | gnat_x | Kriss3d: are you familiar with the 3 versions of debian? (stable, testing, unstable)? |
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| 20:25.52 | Kriss3d | thatll be a no.. aparently i was told my debian version is ancient.. its squeeze.. |
| 20:25.56 | gnat_x | homeHours: i think that's right. but that will use the whole usb, and require it to be repartitioned to be used again. |
| 20:26.11 | Kriss3d | but in unetbootin i can see those 3 versions |
| 20:26.17 | CuBe0wL | Kriss3d, that's oldstable if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:26.19 | gnat_x | Kriss3d: its not that ancient. |
| 20:26.31 | TehLink | gnat_x: sorry, of course it's there |
| 20:26.38 | gnat_x | Kriss3d: if you're already running debian you can upgrade in place. |
| 20:26.44 | CuBe0wL | Kriss3d, to update your system, simply backup your important data |
| 20:26.53 | Kriss3d | well. its been having some issues so id like a reinstall |
| 20:27.05 | CuBe0wL | issues like what? |
| 20:27.08 | TehLink | seems like I failed to upgrade |
| 20:27.31 | CuBe0wL | this ain't windows anymore, so you might try to fix things before a full reinstall |
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| 20:28.03 | CuBe0wL | if it's not that you've removed libc6 or something like that :D |
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| 20:28.21 | Kriss3d | haha.. i know. but at this time i just like to have a working debian.. some firmware wont run on the old version and even dist upgrade fails |
| 20:28.35 | CuBe0wL | dafuq |
| 20:28.47 | gnat_x | Kriss3d: the short of it is, there's the heavily tested (for a really long time) stable version, then testing which is slightly tested stuff that is a candidate for the next version. then there is unstable where new versions of stuff lands to work its way towards stable. you can run any of the three, but for mission critical, i would stick to stable. |
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| 20:29.24 | jesther | ball999_: Are you trying to set up LAMP? |
| 20:29.39 | Kriss3d | so in unetbootin i should just go for stable HDMedia ?? |
| 20:29.41 | AVRS | Kriss3d: "dist upgrade fails" - ? |
| 20:30.06 | Kriss3d | AVRS, i dont know.. im stuck with a working Windows for crist sake.. I need somthing better.. |
| 20:30.11 | Kriss3d | its embarassing |
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| 20:31.18 | Kriss3d | well ill give it a go.. Otherwise ill have to get a dvd drive and burn a disc |
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| 20:42.25 | m8 | There is a way for restart gnome-panel? |
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| 20:48.59 | jesther | Alt+F2. |
| 20:49.43 | erore | I need to install ia32-libs on 64bit wheezy, I get The following packages have unmet dependencies: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386, I tried add packages i386, without any help. |
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| 20:53.41 | m8 | jesther, ? |
| 20:54.03 | m8 | I've exactly this problem http://is.gd/HZLfPh |
| 20:55.14 | jesther | I'm not on Jessie. |
| 20:55.29 | jesther | And also gnome. |
| 20:55.41 | jesther | So I wasn't sure. |
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| 20:59.09 | erore | ompaul, I did everything they say @ https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO no help it keeps telling that nonsense |
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| 21:08.05 | ompaul | erore: there is no ia32 |
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| 21:10.03 | m8 | C'è un dm simile a gnome-session-fallback? |
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| 21:10.21 | fanderal | Running Sid with 3.10-1-686-pae and grub 2.00-17. Is there a way to lose grub's submenus but without editing /etc/grub.d/10_linux or grub.cfg? |
| 21:10.31 | fenhir | is the something like ndiswrapper for printers? to use the windows-driver? |
| 21:10.31 | fanderal | Just want a simple list at boot. Mighta missed it but looked through 'info grub-mkconfig', 'info -f grub' and searched online. Suggestions? |
| 21:11.03 | zmode | fenhir: not really. what's the issue you're facing? |
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| 21:12.37 | fenhir | zmode: getting the lexmark x125 to print |
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| 21:13.08 | fenhir | tried the ppd from here: https://www.openprinting.org/driver/drv_x125/ |
| 21:13.43 | fenhir | seems, like all works.. unless the pronter doesnt print it... no error displayed |
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| 21:14.07 | fenhir | i made this "spooler-change to /dev/null", to... no luck |
| 21:14.25 | zmode | fenhir: have you read the error and page log cups has? |
| 21:14.32 | fenhir | yes |
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| 21:14.44 | fenhir | i increased log to default |
| 21:14.53 | fenhir | err. not default... debug |
| 21:15.08 | fenhir | its all ok from that side |
| 21:15.35 | musca | fanderal: i use savedefault and it works with entries from the submenue. You need to choose it only once. |
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| 21:16.04 | fenhir | all seems fine and it seems like it is printing.. which it doesnt... this is described here: https://www.openprinting.org/driver/drv_x125/ |
| 21:16.50 | fanderal | musca: you mean just the submenu entries show? |
| 21:16.53 | m8 | What's the best DM for debian? |
| 21:17.10 | salad | Hello, quick question. I'm setting my first mail server. I'm just wondering when mail is sent to my system, is it sent to the smtp server or the pop3 server? I know the user can download their mail via pop3, but I have no use for it. I'd like to just avoid it and use IMAP if possible. |
| 21:17.26 | koollman | salad: smtp |
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| 21:17.33 | salad | Thank you koollman |
| 21:17.44 | salad | Google kept turning up results irrelevant to my question ^^ |
| 21:18.28 | musca | fanderal: no, the submenue is highlighted in the mainmenue. after the countdown it boots the last chosen item again. |
| 21:18.29 | zmode | fenhir: doesn't look like you're going to have much luck |
| 21:18.44 | lumiukko | m8: try lightdm |
| 21:18.57 | koollman | salad: smtp is what makes mail go from a server to another. pop3 or imap are how a user access mail stored on a server |
| 21:18.59 | fenhir | ah... there is a google summer of code project from 2007... which uses win32-printer-drivers and use them in wine and print over wine |
| 21:19.03 | m8 | lumiukko, i like gnome-session-fallback but it will be discontinued |
| 21:19.30 | m8 | lumiukko, i think kde it's not lightweight |
| 21:19.38 | koollman | salad: but if you do not know much about mail I would advise you to follow closely a tutorial on how to setup your mail server. Else you may end up having a server used as a spam relay |
| 21:19.44 | fenhir | zmode: no... i am really frustrated... since 2 days no luck... and tried really, really much |
| 21:20.05 | zmode | fenhir: it looks like support for lexmark printers is really bad / non-existent |
| 21:20.13 | fenhir | zmode: but somehow it should work... as the guys which made the .ppd got it to work |
| 21:20.15 | fanderal | musca: ahh... appreciate the thought. All I wanna see are the submenu entries. Any way to do that? |
| 21:21.20 | zmode | fenhir: i've gone through lots of hoops with printers at work. across several servers, through several rooms, all while dodging frustrated users. i know how you feel |
| 21:21.24 | m8 | lumiukko, sorry DE not dm :) |
| 21:21.35 | fenhir | zmode: yea... when i have enough money i will buy a color-laser with perfect linux-compatibility... but at the moment i dont have that money... and need to print ;-) |
| 21:22.21 | zmode | fenhir: if you /need/ to print, find a windows host and get your work done. you can deal with it later |
| 21:22.44 | fenhir | i have no windows host anymore ^^ |
| 21:22.59 | zmode | fenhir: vm |
| 21:23.10 | fenhir | but that would be my next try... use virtualbox and windows |
| 21:23.17 | fenhir | exactly |
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| 21:23.31 | salad | koollman: the tutorials I've found all go into setting up apache particular ways, ways that are at odds with what I want to do with apache so... =\ |
| 21:24.06 | zmode | fenhir: i've had to edit PPD files, but never written any. i was lucky that the printer that wasn't printing had a display with almost-useful error messages |
| 21:24.15 | salad | koollman: plan is to just research every package lol |
| 21:24.20 | fenhir | unfortunately this would just be an ugly woraround... and i _want_ it to work ^^ |
| 21:24.32 | fanderal | musca: thanks |
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| 21:24.41 | salad | koollman: As long as I get spamassasin and clamav working properly it shouldn't be a problem right? |
| 21:24.47 | fenhir | zmode: trying to edit the ppd ive done, too |
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| 21:25.47 | koollman | salad: if you don't understand how it works, it will be harder to know if there's a problem |
| 21:26.21 | fenhir | ahh. there is something in that direction: https://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/opensuse/ddiwrapper.html |
| 21:26.23 | koollman | salad: at least make sure you test your server on some openrelay test service (like http://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx) |
| 21:26.38 | fenhir | unfortunately only for canon |
| 21:26.42 | salad | koollman: Bookmarked, will do, thanks :) |
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| 21:30.39 | m8 | lumiukko, xfce? |
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| 21:30.42 | lumiukko | m8: I've been using XFCE myself, it's a pretty bog standard DE. LXDE is lighter(about 40 megs or so) but less feature complete. The closest thing to gnome classic is MATE, which is a fork of gnome2 |
| 21:31.10 | m8 | lumiukko, a newer thing is not bad |
| 21:32.29 | m8 | lumiukko, i'll try xfce |
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| 21:33.34 | m8 | lumiukko, after years of gnome :) |
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| 21:34.34 | fenhir | yea... tried it on the last knoppix-cd... full loaded xfce-desktop... 50MB ram used |
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| 21:35.45 | fenhir | loaded in seconds... wher kde needed 5 minutes to load... and gnome is not much better |
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| 21:37.02 | fenhir | unfortunately kde has much more possibillieties _when_ it is loaded |
| 21:37.24 | tgs3 | fenhir: 5 minutes? you run debian on a light bulb? |
| 21:37.43 | fenhir | i think it was, because booting from dvd |
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| 21:40.01 | fenhir | oh... and kde needed 250MB ram... right after the boot. no other program loaded |
| 21:40.09 | fenhir | err... 350 |
| 21:40.20 | fenhir | thats crazy |
| 21:41.09 | fenhir | only firefox needs more ;-) |
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| 22:03.58 | xenocons | hi, is there a way to refresh dns (/etc/resolv.conf) without restarting networks |
| 22:04.07 | xenocons | i.e., it had no entry, now it does |
| 22:04.10 | bhuddah | xenocons: just change it. |
| 22:04.16 | xenocons | hmm, ive done that |
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| 22:04.21 | bhuddah | and? |
| 22:04.22 | xenocons | still no resolving :( |
| 22:04.36 | xenocons | i used 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:04.46 | bhuddah | and you used the right syntax? |
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| 22:05.07 | xenocons | ah its dissapearing when i restart networking |
| 22:05.30 | xenocons | bhuddah: probably not, i just put in the ip |
| 22:05.43 | xenocons | its funny how incompetent i am at linux without google :) |
| 22:05.46 | bhuddah | xenocons: man resolv.conf |
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| 22:06.06 | xenocons | ahh ty, in my defense i tried man resolv :) |
| 22:06.14 | ross` | can someone tell me why filter_var($d, FILTER_VALIDATE_EMAIL) is not working properly: PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze16 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jul 17 2013 15:34:13) |
| 22:06.18 | bhuddah | xenocons: no prob ;) |
| 22:06.27 | bhuddah | ross`: ask in #php |
| 22:06.30 | ross` | it doesn't say "foo+bar@baz.len" is a legitimate email |
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| 22:06.38 | ross` | #php says this should be working with my php version and it is a debian issue |
| 22:06.50 | ross` | bhuddah: it says "foo@bar.baz" is legitimate |
| 22:06.51 | bhuddah | ross`: len is no legitimate top level domain |
| 22:06.59 | ross` | bhuddah: i'm using that as an example |
| 22:07.02 | ross` | for syntax purposes |
| 22:07.12 | ross` | the point is, it's not accepting + |
| 22:07.13 | bhuddah | ross`: you should not make examples up as you go |
| 22:07.36 | ross` | bhuddah: it's a string tester, it does not test for domain validity |
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| 22:07.56 | bhuddah | then you should not use it. use a proper email tester ;) |
| 22:07.57 | ross` | the point is, can someone tell me why debian doesn't use the official php version specification for this |
| 22:08.16 | ross` | bhuddah: it is a proper syntax email tester, i use a secondary MX domain tester after that |
| 22:08.17 | bhuddah | ross`: you could use php without suhosin (which is pretty old) |
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| 22:08.31 | xenocons | bhuddah: bingo :) reading the man pages ftw! |
| 22:08.50 | bhuddah | xenocons: np ;) |
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| 22:11.48 | Arafangion | How do I check and confirm that my system has the NX bit set? |
| 22:12.53 | bhuddah | Arafangion: i think it is in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 22:13.36 | Arafangion | bhuddah: It's not, that could indicate it's not enabled. |
| 22:13.47 | Arafangion | Is it possible to enable it without rebooting? |
| 22:13.53 | Arafangion | I mean, without going into the BIOS. |
| 22:14.15 | bhuddah | Arafangion: no. |
| 22:14.54 | cafuego | ow, that seems crufty technology. |
| 22:15.24 | Arafangion | bhuddah: I may have to suck it and get a display&keyboard to this box, then. |
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| 22:15.56 | bhuddah | Arafangion: don't you have ilo access? |
| 22:16.12 | Arafangion | bhuddah: It's a consumer desktop, and I'm lazy. |
| 22:16.20 | bhuddah | oh XD |
| 22:16.22 | bhuddah | yes.. well |
| 22:16.26 | bhuddah | uhm... |
| 22:16.34 | bhuddah | intel remote management... |
| 22:16.36 | Arafangion | bhuddah: So suck it, basically, I'm guessing. |
| 22:16.39 | bhuddah | thats in lots of desktops |
| 22:16.44 | bhuddah | but i never played with it |
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| 22:16.58 | Arafangion | Neither have I, I wasn't aware of it. |
| 22:17.12 | bhuddah | but chances are that it is not configured. |
| 22:17.19 | bhuddah | for which you would need console access too ^^ |
| 22:17.45 | Arafangion | bhuddah: And I don't have the hardware for the serial stuff, either. :) |
| 22:18.08 | bhuddah | oh. but i think theres no bios access via serial... |
| 22:18.30 | Arafangion | Yep. |
| 22:19.41 | Arafangion | Lugging the screen. :) |
| 22:19.53 | bhuddah | don't break your back ^^ |
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| 22:21.39 | Arafangion | bhuddah: YEah, no workers comp here. :( |
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| 22:21.55 | Arafangion | I really should pester work to let me live there. |
| 22:22.42 | bhuddah | why? |
| 22:22.54 | aguitel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.47 | Arafangion | Hmm. My BIOS says that the execute disable has already been enabled. |
| 22:24.12 | epsilon | can I check from which repo a package has been installed from? |
| 22:24.24 | cafuego | epsilon: apt-cache policy package |
| 22:24.59 | bhuddah | Arafangion: and you used a x86_64 kernel? |
| 22:25.10 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Yes. I have 32 GB of ram. |
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| 22:25.34 | bhuddah | Arafangion: very strange |
| 22:25.48 | cafuego | And the kernel these days actually cares for NX at all? Just supports it without any extra patching needed? |
| 22:25.48 | Arafangion | I tried to install windows in virtualbox, though, with 8GiB of RAM. Windows Blue. |
| 22:26.07 | Arafangion | cafuego: It's needed in windows blue, even as a guest, it seems. |
| 22:26.33 | bhuddah | Arafangion: try this one: "cat /proc/cpuinfo | egrep " nx " --color" ... for me that clearly shows that it's on. |
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| 22:26.55 | cafuego | But a virtualbox guest wouldn't see the actual cpu hardware though |
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| 22:27.23 | bhuddah | cafuego: kernel support is there |
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| 22:27.33 | Arafangion | bhuddah: --color is *amazing*, and it's there. |
| 22:27.42 | bhuddah | yay :D |
| 22:27.53 | bhuddah | Arafangion: yeah.. i wasn't able to spot it without ;) |
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| 22:28.37 | Arafangion | Nope, isn't working in virtualbox. |
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| 22:29.42 | bhuddah | from virtualbox.org: "In addition, the "Enable PAE/NX" setting determines whether the PAE and NX capabilities of the host CPU will be exposed to the virtual machine. PAE stands for "Physical Address Extension". Normally, if enabled and supported by the operating system, then even a 32-bit x86 CPU can access more than 4 GB of RAM. This is made possible by adding another 4 bits to memory addresses, so that with 36 bits, up to 64 GB can be addressed. Some op |
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| 22:30.07 | bhuddah | it's an option in the processor tab |
| 22:30.43 | Arafangion | Yeah, something's weird. It's not there either. |
| 22:30.49 | Arafangion | Well, the option's there and it's ticked. |
| 22:30.52 | Arafangion | But windows blue isn't booting. |
| 22:31.02 | bhuddah | well |
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| 22:36.54 | bhuddah | i got a question myself: |
| 22:37.14 | bhuddah | is there a documented way how to encrypt log-emails via gpg? |
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| 22:39.14 | Arafangion | bhuddah: It may be that either my virtualbox (provided by debian) is too old... Or windows 8.1 simply doesn't work on non-windows hosts. |
| 22:39.30 | bhuddah | Arafangion: it's probably virtualboy. |
| 22:39.32 | bhuddah | x |
| 22:40.06 | bhuddah | Arafangion: google told me this: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56196 |
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| 22:40.31 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Yes, there's a bunch of answers 'fixing' the problem, but they don't work for me. |
| 22:40.35 | Arafangion | checks that link, none-the-less |
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| 22:40.52 | Arafangion | Yep, doesn't work. |
| 22:41.06 | bhuddah | Arafangion: but you were able to add the extra info? |
| 22:41.41 | bhuddah | Arafangion: which version of virtualbox? |
| 22:42.52 | Arafangion | bhuddah: It's 4.1.18_Debian r78361 |
| 22:43.11 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Oh, yeah, it adds fine, I suspect it's a free-form text key/value list. |
| 22:43.19 | bhuddah | Arafangion: you should try the newest version.... which is 4.2.16 .. beta... |
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| 22:43.38 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Right. Where do I find the .deb for that? |
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| 22:44.08 | bhuddah | Arafangion: i checked it... it's in testing or unstable |
| 22:44.25 | Arafangion | I also see it's https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 22:44.31 | Arafangion | I might just use that one. |
| 22:44.40 | bhuddah | better use the one from debian directly |
| 22:44.54 | bhuddah | but you might need to upgrade your system for that -.- |
| 22:45.04 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Yeah, don't particularly want to upgrade too much. |
| 22:45.24 | bhuddah | i know |
| 22:46.39 | Nothing4You | is there a way for an user in a chroot to change his password? |
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| 22:47.19 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: Depends. Did you provide a means of changing passwords in that chroot? |
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| 22:48.02 | Nothing4You | i just created a chroot with debootstrap |
| 22:48.08 | Nothing4You | and set it up for some user |
| 22:48.18 | Nothing4You | nothing special done yet |
| 22:48.21 | bhuddah | better question.. why would you want to do that? |
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| 22:48.54 | Nothing4You | to enable him to change his password? |
| 22:49.10 | bhuddah | but why? |
| 22:49.13 | Nothing4You | question is whether there is a way to let him to that himself or whether i'd have to write some external script |
| 22:49.24 | Nothing4You | why wouldn't you let people change their passwords? |
| 22:49.38 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: What is the purpose of the chroot? |
| 22:49.41 | bhuddah | the user will not authenticate against the chroot in the first place |
| 22:49.47 | Nothing4You | yes i know |
| 22:49.54 | Nothing4You | Arafangion: jailing the user into it |
| 22:50.05 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: chroots aren't jails. |
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| 22:51.16 | Nothing4You | what would you suggest me then? |
| 22:51.20 | Arafangion | How do I remove a package, but NOT the other packages that were auto-installed using aptitude? |
| 22:51.40 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: To find a coherent reason. What are you trying to do? |
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| 22:51.52 | bhuddah | set them to hold? |
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| 22:52.23 | Nothing4You | preventing that user to access other stuff outside his jail |
| 22:52.38 | bhuddah | Nothing4You: but why? and how will the user log in? |
| 22:52.46 | Nothing4You | he logs in via ssh |
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| 22:53.19 | Nothing4You | ssh jails via libpam-chroot |
| 22:53.20 | bhuddah | so we are dealing with an ssh auto jail |
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| 22:54.50 | olefowdie | hello all, I am trying to upgrade from 6 to 7 and the upgrade process is failing on initscripts: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 22:54.56 | Nothing4You | yeah, ssh auto jail |
| 22:55.02 | bhuddah | Nothing4You: have you followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 22:55.09 | Nothing4You | yup |
| 22:55.12 | Nothing4You | that's the page i used |
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| 22:55.53 | Nothing4You | using #1.1 |
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| 22:56.09 | magyar | google.com is down? |
| 22:56.11 | Nothing4You | no |
| 22:56.19 | magyar | i can't get to it |
| 22:56.24 | Arafangion | magyar: Google.com is never down. |
| 22:56.32 | Nothing4You | fix your dns or w/e is broken |
| 22:56.35 | Arafangion | magyar: (Yet it seems slow... The world is not right) |
| 22:56.46 | Nothing4You | "can't get to it" is a damn detailed error description |
| 22:56.50 | bhuddah | Nothing4You: it might be enough to symlink passwd in the chroot *thinks* have you tried this? |
| 22:56.58 | Nothing4You | no, didn't try yet |
| 22:57.06 | magyar | Nothing4You: times out |
| 22:57.21 | magyar | it just came back up |
| 22:57.23 | magyar | hmm |
| 22:57.39 | magyar | I was able to get to any other site but google |
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| 22:57.59 | bhuddah | other channels suggest that you are not the only one |
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| 22:58.25 | Nothing4You | wow |
| 22:58.27 | Nothing4You | really |
| 22:58.32 | Nothing4You | google down for a few secs? |
| 22:58.37 | Nothing4You | omg |
| 22:58.43 | Arafangion | Google is never down. |
| 22:58.43 | Nothing4You | apocalypse incoming |
| 22:58.46 | bhuddah | THE WORLD WILL END! |
| 22:58.49 | Arafangion | It was unresponsive for a few seconds, though. |
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| 22:58.53 | bhuddah | DUCK AND COVER! |
| 22:59.34 | Nothing4You | bhuddah: by symlinking passwd you mean creating a symlink from /etc/passwd to chroot/etc/passwd? |
| 22:59.38 | Arafangion | It was probably dust in the dark fiber. |
| 22:59.39 | peterrooney | bing for the win. |
| 22:59.42 | Nothing4You | err |
| 22:59.44 | Nothing4You | other way round |
| 22:59.48 | bhuddah | Nothing4You: i meant the binary. |
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| 23:00.11 | bhuddah | but i have no idea if that will work |
| 23:00.25 | Nothing4You | you can't symlink stuff into the chroot |
| 23:00.28 | Nothing4You | you can only copy it |
| 23:00.30 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Are symlinks followed out of the chroot? |
| 23:00.50 | Nothing4You | Arafangion: no |
| 23:00.56 | Nothing4You | that'd be a major flaw |
| 23:01.02 | peterrooney | Arafangion: the whole point of a chroot is that you can't get out of it. |
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| 23:01.05 | olefowdie | does anyone know how to get a dist-upgrade to ignore "checkroot has to be enabled to start service mtab" |
| 23:01.21 | Nothing4You | also, the chroot already has a passwd binary |
| 23:01.30 | bhuddah | oh. great :) |
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| 23:01.33 | bhuddah | maybe that works :) |
| 23:01.52 | Nothing4You | returns "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error" |
| 23:01.56 | bhuddah | well. it will work on the wrong shadow... |
| 23:01.59 | Nothing4You | right after entering old pw |
| 23:02.04 | bhuddah | or not even that -.- |
| 23:02.18 | Arafangion | It might not even shadow. |
| 23:02.33 | Nothing4You | so i guess i'd have to write some external utility to manage passwords for chrooted users |
| 23:02.39 | Nothing4You | k |
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| 23:02.45 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: If you're so worried about security, and are using ssh, why bother with passwords? |
| 23:02.50 | bhuddah | seems so.. yes.. -.- |
| 23:03.21 | Nothing4You | Arafangion: good point |
| 23:03.34 | Nothing4You | didn't think about that |
| 23:04.04 | bhuddah | i don't like that chroot stuff |
| 23:04.05 | Nothing4You | how do i remove a pw for an user? |
| 23:04.12 | bhuddah | ! in the shadow |
| 23:04.18 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Neither do I, it's pretty silly. |
| 23:04.31 | bhuddah | or password -d |
| 23:04.42 | Nothing4You | ah k thx |
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| 23:05.21 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Oh, the latest virtualbox fixed it. :) |
| 23:05.29 | bhuddah | yay! |
| 23:05.32 | Arafangion | bhuddah: I lugged all that hardware around for no reason! :( |
| 23:05.37 | bhuddah | damn |
| 23:05.44 | bhuddah | but it helped :D |
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| 23:06.08 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Now to find out how long I can run this preview for. :) It might let me avoid having to buy windows. |
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| 23:06.17 | bhuddah | oh |
| 23:07.16 | Nothing4You | lol buying windows |
| 23:07.22 | Arafangion | I've a feeling it's very restricted. |
| 23:07.24 | Nothing4You | i never bought any windows |
| 23:07.28 | Nothing4You | well |
| 23:07.30 | Nothing4You | not without pc |
| 23:07.38 | Nothing4You | sadly i had to buy some pcs with windows included |
| 23:07.55 | Arafangion | Nothing4You: Fanboy much? |
| 23:08.43 | Nothing4You | i haven't used windows (except for less than 1h total) for a few months already |
| 23:08.53 | Nothing4You | i'm happy i got rid of it |
| 23:09.06 | bhuddah | i like it for work |
| 23:09.11 | bhuddah | way better than a linux desktop |
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| 23:09.49 | Arafangion | There are things I hate about how windows operates, but it's pretty good. |
| 23:10.26 | bhuddah | yes.. of course.. |
| 23:10.37 | bhuddah | but there are way more things i hate about linux desktops ^^ |
| 23:10.43 | lumiukko | I bought 270€ cheapo laptop that came with Windows 8. I found it quite difficult to use and configure, good thing I'm not the one using it :-/ |
| 23:10.43 | Arafangion | :) |
| 23:11.01 | olefowdie | meh windows is fine for what it is |
| 23:11.02 | Arafangion | lumiukko: Windows 8 was an embarrasment. |
| 23:11.29 | jordemort | windows 8 is an abomination |
| 23:11.37 | olefowdie | i wouldn't use a windows server, but a desktop is just taking a general purpose computer and turning it into an appliance. |
| 23:11.39 | Arafangion | But windows will cost me $200, or maybe $150 if I shop around online. |
| 23:11.39 | tgs3 | s/8// jordemort |
| 23:11.41 | olefowdie | kind of like osx |
| 23:11.54 | Arafangion | osx is my favorite desktop. |
| 23:12.03 | tgs3 | wtf we are on #debian... why arae people using #debian ? whaaat |
| 23:12.09 | tgs3 | wtf we are on #debian... why arae people using Windows ? whaaat |
| 23:12.11 | Arafangion | But I personally find debian to be a fine desktop too. |
| 23:12.31 | digdilem | i'm another one that uses debian for servers, but windows for desktops |
| 23:12.38 | olefowdie | Debian, Slackware, CentOS -- good stuff |
| 23:12.48 | olefowdie | netbsd can come too |
| 23:12.54 | Nothing4You | i use debian for servers, arch for desktop |
| 23:13.08 | Arafangion | I don't have time to deal with rolling releases./ |
| 23:13.32 | Arafangion | When I get home from work, there's only one thing I want to do: Possibly check for security updates, and then watch a movie |
| 23:13.40 | Arafangion | I dont' want that security update to mess up my system. |
| 23:14.06 | bhuddah | hehe |
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| 23:14.37 | Arafangion | Which, funnily enough, is exactly what i hate about windows. |
| 23:14.46 | Arafangion | End of the day, I want to go home, so I turn my computer off. |
| 23:14.54 | Arafangion | And get forced to watch it apply 32 freaking updates. |
| 23:15.10 | bhuddah | you don't have to watch |
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| 23:15.21 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Literally nothing else to do. |
| 23:15.33 | bhuddah | boooooring |
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| 23:15.47 | Arafangion | bhuddah: Yep, so I frequently suspend the VM and close the laptop. |
| 23:16.15 | digdilem | i STR both desktops and laptops for windows. just easier. |
| 23:16.39 | bhuddah | mhm |
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| 23:21.35 | jhy6h54ju | please friends visit new webchat www.ChatSocial.org please 2 clik´s --> http://www.ChatSocial.org tnkssssss http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org |
| 23:21.36 | jhy6h54ju | http://www.ChatSocial.org |
| 23:23.55 | Nothing4You | lol |
| 23:23.58 | Nothing4You | thanks idoru |
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| 23:27.17 | peterrooney | idoru talks in scheme. |
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| 23:37.53 | salad | Question about Dovecot - If you set it up to use postgresql for the user & password db, does it store mail in postgresql, or does it still use mbox/maildir? |
| 23:38.24 | Nothing4You | still uses mbox/maildir |
| 23:38.39 | Nothing4You | wait |
| 23:38.45 | Nothing4You | nevermind |
| 23:38.47 | Nothing4You | dunno |
| 23:38.47 | cusco | as you stated |
| 23:38.50 | Arafangion | Bah, can't seem to use windows without a windows live login. |
| 23:38.53 | cusco | postfgre is only for auth |
| 23:38.55 | Arafangion | Stupid system. |
| 23:38.58 | Nothing4You | but i'd think it's just for auth, yeah |
| 23:39.12 | Nothing4You | an "user & password db" shouldn't store anything else |
| 23:39.37 | salad | Is it possible to use postgresql to store mail? |
| 23:39.55 | Nothing4You | try asking google or # |
| 23:39.59 | Nothing4You | #dovecot maybe |
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| 23:40.01 | Nothing4You | damn enter key |
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| 23:40.46 | salad | I've asked google... and bing... no relevant results |
| 23:41.02 | salad | They just return the 5000000 pages on using it for user/password auth |
| 23:41.10 | salad | Not even a "no" to the question |
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| 23:44.41 | Nothing4You | as i said |
| 23:44.46 | Nothing4You | try asking #dovecot |
| 23:45.49 | somiaj | salad: possible yes, but not sure if it is set up to do easily. |
| 23:46.06 | salad | ah right, sorry didn't click in my mind that you meant another channel, I don't use IRC often |
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| 23:46.26 | somiaj | but why isn't maildir or mbox format good enough for the mails? |
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| 23:46.41 | somiaj | just seems like an extra layer |
| 23:46.45 | jordemort | i've set dovecot up to store logins and stuff in the database but i've always had mail on the filesystem |
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| 23:47.05 | salad | I would have preferred Postgres so I can do stuff to them externally easier |
| 23:47.09 | jordemort | sql databases are usually poorly suited for storing blobs of data |
| 23:47.14 | salad | but if it's a huge pita then that's fine |
| 23:47.28 | salad | I would have thought an SQL database would be great at storing thousands of small emails |
| 23:47.31 | salad | as that's the bulk of what they are |
| 23:47.39 | salad | rather than thousands of small files |
| 23:47.39 | somiaj | yea I have heard of people doing it like jordemort, but you could put the mails in a database if you really want to. |
| 23:48.05 | Nothing4You | shouldn't maildir just be good for that? |
| 23:48.12 | Nothing4You | it's also easily accessible |
| 23:48.27 | salad | maildir is just thousands of files isn't it? does it do any caching on them? |
| 23:48.35 | salad | 1 file per email |
| 23:48.43 | Nothing4You | 1 file / mail |
| 23:48.43 | Nothing4You | yeah |
| 23:48.48 | Nothing4You | dunno about caching |
| 23:49.05 | Nothing4You | you could try accessing the mails through imap aswell |
| 23:49.20 | salad | I suppose the client, via imap, would build a cache of what's there |
| 23:49.22 | Nothing4You | i've used some nice scripts already which checked for duplicate mails via imap |
| 23:49.41 | salad | which would solve that problem |
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| 23:50.19 | jordemort | with mail on the filesystem you just let the normal fs caching mechanism do its work |
| 23:50.39 | jordemort | if you have spare ram, the kernel will keep the pages in memory, just like any other file |
| 23:51.26 | jordemort | dovecot will also build indexes of your maildir |
| 23:51.41 | jordemort | so instead of having to read thousands of files to show a listing of a folder, it can just hit the index |
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| 23:54.15 | salad | The OS caches stuff like that? |
| 23:54.26 | salad | Didn't know that, cheers. |
| 23:54.29 | salad | That changes everything. |
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| 23:55.56 | salad | Well, not the OS, I get ya anyway, solution is fine |
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