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| 00:19.28 | aguitel_ | firefox crach in my system with nvidia 173xx drivers ,any tips ? |
| 00:20.20 | gusnan | aguitel_, try Iceweasel which is packaged in debian. |
| 00:20.46 | aguitel_ | gusnan, is iceweasel |
| 00:21.46 | glycol | video card name? |
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| 00:23.27 | jordemort | iceweasel is firefox with all the non-DFSG compliant mozilla branding stripped off |
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| 00:23.45 | L-sama | its even named with their naming system |
| 00:24.05 | L-sama | which is a general case of ubuntu distro name system |
| 00:24.16 | fenhir | and what is a firefox without all that developer-stuf normal people dont want? |
| 00:24.34 | L-sama | I would like to know can synaptic get applications like the ones of the backtrack distro? |
| 00:24.40 | fenhir | which should all be an addin |
| 00:24.45 | aguitel_ | glycol, VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 00:24.46 | jordemort | fenhir: well, firefox used to be the firefox with all the stuff normal people didn't want |
| 00:24.50 | glycol | 173xx is kinda old unless you're running pre 8xxx series |
| 00:24.52 | jordemort | but then it got more stuff |
| 00:25.17 | fenhir | jordemort: :-) |
| 00:25.18 | aguitel_ | iceweasel crash sometimes |
| 00:25.30 | jordemort | i don't know of any other maintained browsers using the gecko rendering engine aside from firefox and seamonkey |
| 00:25.43 | jordemort | (and iceweasel obviously) |
| 00:25.54 | jordemort | everything else is webkit these days :( |
| 00:26.03 | jordemort | fenhir: if you don't mind going webkit there is midori |
| 00:26.14 | fenhir | package-request: iceweasel-normal.deb ;-) |
| 00:26.44 | aguitel_ | what means iceweasel-normal.deb |
| 00:27.06 | fenhir | without stuff, which should be an addon |
| 00:27.28 | aguitel_ | no addon? |
| 00:27.38 | L-sama | I would like to know can synaptic get applications like the ones of the backtrack distro? |
| 00:27.40 | jordemort | an antimatter addon |
| 00:27.42 | james41382 | I tried to install virutalbox and it is giving me errors about kernel modules. Is this because I'm using the backport 3.9 kernel? I see it's doing stuff with the 3.2 headers, etc.. wierd. Anybody? http://paste.debian.net/26061/ |
| 00:27.45 | jordemort | that obliterates extra stuff |
| 00:27.52 | fenhir | all should be an addon what could be... javascript as addon would be nice ^^ |
| 00:28.17 | jordemort | fenhir: mozilla they even took away the checkbox for that |
| 00:28.29 | fenhir | really? |
| 00:28.32 | fenhir | wtf |
| 00:29.13 | jordemort | james41382: do you have the headers for the kernel you are running installed? |
| 00:30.19 | james41382 | jordemort: Hang on let me see what I've got here. |
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| 00:32.15 | james41382 | jordemort: No I don't have the headers for 3.9 installed. I opened virtualbox successfully though. |
| 00:32.31 | jordemort | james41382: it will probably refuse to start a vm |
| 00:32.51 | glycol | james: the gui opens up even if the vbox daemon isn't running |
| 00:33.37 | jordemort | james41382: get your linux-headers-3.9-0.bpomumblemumble package installed |
| 00:33.48 | jordemort | then dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms |
| 00:33.52 | james41382 | Oh I haven't used a vm before I just was thinking about checking it out. I read virtualbox is well liked and it's free. |
| 00:34.08 | james41382 | jordemort: Okay I'll do that. |
| 00:34.13 | jordemort | and if you're lucky, their modules will compile cleanly against your kernel and you'll be good to go |
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| 00:34.30 | james41382 | jordemort: Or..? |
| 00:34.47 | jordemort | if you're unlucky, they won't |
| 00:34.50 | L-sama | anybody knows if we can get kali-linux applications via synaptic? |
| 00:34.56 | jordemort | and you'll need to go looking for a version of them that will |
| 00:35.07 | james41382 | jordemort: I suppose I could always just boot with the 3.2 kernel when I want to run virtualbox.. =P |
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| 00:35.53 | jordemort | james41382: probably not worth it, might wanna look into QEMU+KVM |
| 00:36.12 | jordemort | though i can't really recommend a GUI for it since i've never gone looking |
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| 00:36.50 | jordemort | but try compiling the modules for your kernel first, it'll /probably/ work |
| 00:40.30 | james41382 | jordemort: I purged virtualbox and installed the 3.9 headers then install virtualbox again and got different errors. http://paste.debian.net/26070/ |
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| 00:42.22 | james41382 | Here is the log of make -> http://paste.debian.net/26071/ |
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| 00:50.04 | glycol | james: it looks like other drivers have the similar problems(‘VM_RESERVED’ undeclared) with newer kernels, maybe a newer version of virtualbox might work |
| 00:51.32 | glycol | you can download 4.2 from here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 00:56.23 | james41382 | glycol: Thanks that's a great idea. I'll give it a go... |
| 00:57.15 | elkingrey | I've been using Linux for 4 years now. I'm self-taught and can get by, but I'm by no means a skilled sys-admin. I'm looking for a really good series of textbooks that will turn me into a professional grade linux sysadmin. Any suggestions? This appears to be the most suitable one I could find, so far, but I'm not necessarily interested in getting LPI certified, just want the skills. http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Certifica |
| 00:57.15 | elkingrey | tion-Nutshell-Adam-Haeder/dp/0596804873/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
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| 00:58.06 | elkingrey | http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Certification-Nutshell-Adam-Haeder/dp/0596804873/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
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| 01:04.47 | fenhir | weeee |
| 01:05.09 | fenhir | i am a step further... got the driver from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/x125-linux/ |
| 01:05.39 | fenhir | compiled it and used the command: make testprn |
| 01:05.55 | fenhir | which prints |
| 01:06.29 | fenhir | so its not a hardware-problem... i now just have to get out, how to put that in cups |
| 01:07.16 | fenhir | the problem is: it is not a .ppd-driver or such |
| 01:07.22 | fenhir | may anyone help? |
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| 01:08.38 | fenhir | or may someone please look there in the x125-drv-0.2.3.tar.gz, which i have used? |
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| 01:20.24 | L-sama | hello, |
| 01:20.27 | L-sama | I have a question |
| 01:20.36 | L-sama | about multi os dual boots |
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| 01:20.52 | L-sama | if I install debian on a ubuntu-windows multiboot |
| 01:21.00 | L-sama | will debian make an extra partition? |
| 01:21.08 | L-sama | a 2nd ext partition |
| 01:21.19 | cafuego | If you tell it to, yes. |
| 01:21.22 | fenhir | it depends |
| 01:21.23 | L-sama | or will it add new /bin folders |
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| 01:21.38 | L-sama | beside the ubuntu one in the ext2 partition already there |
| 01:21.48 | glycol | usually ubuntu's installer asks if you want to install alongside another os, after that you can choose how the big partition should be for ubuntu |
| 01:21.53 | fenhir | no, you shouldnt it install on the same partition like ubuntu |
| 01:21.56 | cafuego | No, you can't have two OS install share the same partition. Not Linux ones, anyway. |
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| 01:22.28 | fenhir | hm... you could... but this would make it tifficult |
| 01:22.37 | fenhir | difficult |
| 01:22.53 | cafuego | Just delete windows and install debian in the newly freed space. |
| 01:23.14 | fenhir | just look, if you have space on the disk for an extra partition |
| 01:23.16 | L-sama | sadly windows is for other persons |
| 01:23.25 | L-sama | although im thinking for a virtual machine for it |
| 01:23.32 | cafuego | L-sama: So that's their problem, not yours ;-) |
| 01:23.34 | fenhir | or that |
| 01:23.47 | fenhir | i mean on a vm |
| 01:23.54 | fenhir | is more secure |
| 01:24.10 | fenhir | for a first try |
| 01:24.59 | L-sama | indeed |
| 01:25.06 | L-sama | i always liked dual boots |
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| 01:25.18 | L-sama | cause i didnt trust windows and windows was already installed |
| 01:25.25 | glycol | or back up your stuff from the ubuntu partition and install debian there |
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| 01:26.00 | fenhir | if you want a better performance in the future you could transfer it from the vm to an extra partition |
| 01:26.02 | glycol | ubuntu is like a beta test compared to debian |
| 01:27.09 | fenhir | then you even can tripple-boot ;) debian from the extra-partition AND boot the same data in a vm in windows |
| 01:28.19 | L-sama | I used ubuntu then because ubuntu allowed non gpl stuff as well |
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| 01:28.38 | L-sama | I do like my firefox |
| 01:28.58 | L-sama | although I can easily work with icewasel, I am using a lot of firefox addon |
| 01:29.06 | fenhir | uhm.. its not that debian doesnt allow that |
| 01:29.20 | fenhir | it ust dont install it on default |
| 01:29.25 | glycol | iceweasel is binary-compatible with firefox |
| 01:29.46 | L-sama | but the addon were longer to to manage at the time |
| 01:30.04 | fenhir | and yes. firefox-addons can be used in iceweasel, too |
| 01:30.16 | glycol | every addon for firefox works with iceweasel too, you can also get firefox from mozilla.com, it includes an auto-updater |
| 01:30.19 | L-sama | however I did a lot of cross package install, except the critical os ones, and it never burned my ubuntu |
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| 01:30.38 | fenhir | lucky ^^ |
| 01:30.50 | L-sama | well only using stable distros of both |
| 01:31.24 | L-sama | I mean ligth stuff like debian boot screen instead of ubuntu |
| 01:31.25 | fenhir | but now... first install debian in a vm and see yourself |
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| 01:31.48 | L-sama | ima try to do that but on a vm on my ubuntu |
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| 01:34.29 | L-sama | now how to install vm on debian/ubuntu , up to the surfing! |
| 01:34.33 | L-sama | =D |
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| 01:41.01 | L-sama | anybody knows of a open source virtual machine? |
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| 01:41.57 | glycol | virtualbox |
| 01:41.58 | fenhir | kvm/quemu, virtualbox (not all open-source), vmware-player (no open-source) |
| 01:42.05 | glycol | it has a user-friendly gui |
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| 01:46.08 | L-sama | yeah |
| 01:46.19 | L-sama | I was looking for else than vmware and virtual box |
| 01:46.28 | L-sama | its gotta be tricky |
| 01:46.52 | skribblezatcha | whats up peoples. |
| 01:47.16 | zeta- | Hi all. I'm trying to persuade a friend to use debian, but she wants to skype with her facebook account. |
| 01:47.18 | zeta- | The linux version of skype doesn't have the option to use facebook. Can we do this with Telepathy (not literally!) pidgin or similar? |
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| 01:47.43 | zeta- | anyone with experience of this? |
| 01:48.09 | glycol | zeta: just checked: on wheezy you can add facebook accounts to pidgin |
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| 01:48.21 | cafuego | I prefer to not let the NSA at my data, to be honest. |
| 01:48.35 | L-sama | NSA sees all |
| 01:48.43 | skribblezatcha | they dont work though glycol..someone that i know tried it. |
| 01:48.56 | L-sama | it need to else it will loose it swill to live |
| 01:48.57 | skribblezatcha | the fb through pidgin is messed up for some reason. |
| 01:49.08 | zeta- | glycol: is that video as well? |
| 01:49.31 | skribblezatcha | you can try kopete messenger and see if that works. i know that it works with skype..the fb part i am not so sure about. also kopete messenger has voice and cam with certain protocols. |
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| 01:50.09 | skribblezatcha | video with pidgin will only work with the xmpp protocol. kopete will allow video with other protocols besides xmpp..such as yahoo. |
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| 01:50.19 | skribblezatcha | i use kopete to cam with friends on yahoo. |
| 01:50.32 | skribblezatcha | i use pidgin for everyday use..hence being on it right now.:) |
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| 01:50.45 | glycol | zeta: i never tried it tbh |
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| 01:51.10 | zeta- | B) I'll look into kopete |
| 01:51.31 | skribblezatcha | definitely do that zeta..its worth it. |
| 01:51.58 | skribblezatcha | just keep pidgin for everything else and kopete for when you want to cam. |
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| 01:52.33 | zeta- | what is xmpp? is it just im or video too? |
| 01:53.28 | zeta- | is xmpp just for facebook? |
| 01:53.53 | skribblezatcha | xmpp is a chat protocol zeta. google talk is on xmpp..eyeball chat is on xmpp..jabber is xmpp. |
| 01:54.30 | skribblezatcha | i dont know what fb chat is..i am guessing that its on a similiar port as yahoo..since you can add your fb contacts to yahoo messenger. |
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| 01:54.57 | skribblezatcha | i could be way wrong on that..so i dont know. i would have to look to see what protocol fb is on. |
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| 01:55.15 | zeta- | Ah ok, just chat. |
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| 01:56.16 | zeta- | my friend uses the browser for everything apart from video. |
| 01:56.25 | skribblezatcha | right..with kopete..you have to have the linux version of skype installed ok..then you can run it through kopete..and if kopete has the fb part of it as well then you are good to go. |
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| 01:56.44 | skribblezatcha | i dont use skype or fb so i have never tried it. i read about it though for someone else. |
| 01:57.29 | glycol | skribble: it was possible to for yahoo and windows live(when it existed) contacts to chat with eachother but both protocols were different |
| 01:57.31 | skribblezatcha | hmmm..i dont know zeta. kopete is something to check out. |
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| 01:57.48 | skribblezatcha | true glycol..i remember that. |
| 01:57.49 | zeta- | Great, that makes sense. Thanks for all the help |
| 01:57.57 | skribblezatcha | you are very welcome zeta. |
| 01:58.19 | epitamizor | anyone know other webmail servers besides courier or exim |
| 01:58.39 | Gm4n | dovecot |
| 01:58.43 | cafuego | neither of the ones you mentioned are webmail servers |
| 01:58.46 | Gm4n | oh, webmail. nevermine |
| 01:59.06 | cafuego | epitamizor: What do you want to accomplish? |
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| 01:59.47 | skribblezatcha | brb. |
| 01:59.55 | Gm4n | does the multiple IPs per interface work if some of the alias interfaces have a different network? (https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface) |
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| 02:00.28 | cafuego | Gm4n: yes |
| 02:01.03 | Gm4n | odd. I added new ones and rebooted system, but I don't see them, even with ifconfig -a. They're still in /etc/network/interfaces, though. |
| 02:01.19 | epitamizor | cafuego, it needs to be secure and web web portal capabilities |
| 02:01.28 | Gm4n | epitamizor: try squirrelmail |
| 02:01.49 | cafuego | epitamizor: What you probably want for a webmail service are four things. |
| 02:02.40 | cafuego | epitamizor: 1) an SMPT server (exim/postfix/courier) 2) an IMAP server (courier/dovecot) 3) A web server (apache/gninx) and 4) a webmail package (roundcube/squirrelmail/etc) |
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| 02:03.10 | zeta- | *nginx ? |
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| 02:03.20 | cafuego | If you have ram to burn and aren't worried about maintaining it all yourself, maybe try Zimbra. |
| 02:03.29 | epitamizor | nginx is for like static websites |
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| 02:04.12 | epitamizor | i was going to integrate it in with php |
| 02:04.34 | cafuego | php runs fine under nginx |
| 02:04.48 | epitamizor | yeah its just less sophisticated |
| 02:05.21 | cafuego | Not really |
| 02:05.42 | zeta- | was just pointing out the spelling |
| 02:06.09 | cafuego | If anything, it's more sophisticated PHP-wise because it can thread and doesn't need to use prefork. |
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| 02:08.22 | skribblezatcha | ok back. |
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| 02:08.49 | irinix | wb |
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| 02:09.07 | skribblezatcha | thanks irinix. |
| 02:09.12 | irinix | you're welcome |
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| 02:10.10 | irinix | so does anyone have any info on getting compiz working in wheezy? |
| 02:11.03 | skribblezatcha | i sure dont irinix. what DE are you using? |
| 02:11.16 | irinix | Gdm3 |
| 02:11.47 | skribblezatcha | gnome3. |
| 02:12.55 | irinix | yeah |
| 02:13.06 | zeta- | I understood it just worked if your hw was up to it. |
| 02:13.32 | zeta- | going to try it tomorrow myself |
| 02:13.35 | irinix | yeah, but I can't find a good package for it anywhere. |
| 02:13.44 | skribblezatcha | https://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 02:14.34 | skribblezatcha | check out that site..and see what it says about it first..if it sounds good, then go and see what you can find as far as a package. you may be able to check older ubuntu repos for it. |
| 02:15.34 | irinix | that package is for Squeeze. My HW is more than enough to support it. GT555m i7 2630qm |
| 02:15.50 | skribblezatcha | also i dont know if you know about packages.org but they have .deb files from sid as well. a lot of them tend to work. its where i got my minitube. |
| 02:16.27 | skribblezatcha | right i know what you mean..well what are you using wheezy? |
| 02:16.33 | irinix | aye. |
| 02:16.47 | skribblezatcha | my repos are from jessie. testing. |
| 02:17.23 | skribblezatcha | 3.10.6-031006-generic |
| 02:17.25 | irinix | According to the debian website, Compiz isn't maintained well enough for the current releases of debia |
| 02:17.28 | irinix | *debian |
| 02:17.32 | skribblezatcha | :D |
| 02:17.56 | irinix | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:18.49 | skribblezatcha | right right..well then what you do is go and get a compiz package from an older ubuntu..try and install it with the gdebi-package manager. see what dependencies are necessary and go from there irinix. |
| 02:19.02 | irinix | *Sigh* |
| 02:19.12 | irinix | perhaps I should build a backport for it. |
| 02:19.16 | skribblezatcha | sometimes it is a hands on job with debian to get it popn'..its worth it though i guess. |
| 02:19.28 | skribblezatcha | you could that as well. |
| 02:19.33 | irinix | k guys, I'm afk for a bit. |
| 02:19.41 | skribblezatcha | okie dokes..have fun. |
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| 02:25.54 | Gm4n | when adding multiple default gateways, how is precedence decided? does the os select the one that matches the netmask of the interface alias, or the top of the list? |
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| 02:29.25 | Fr34k4rd | hi all I need help |
| 02:29.38 | Fr34k4rd | I install postgres on debian |
| 02:29.55 | Fr34k4rd | but when I try start openerp give me error |
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| 02:32.50 | gnarface | Gm4n: i think that it choses the last one added unless you use iproute2 trickery |
| 02:33.36 | gnarface | Gm4n: and, in general unless you do have such trickery going on (equal cost multipath routing?) its a configuration error to have multiple gateways |
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| 02:34.03 | gnarface | Gm4n: a multi-homed system typically only needs one gateway to work right |
| 02:34.23 | gnarface | Gm4n: and it should be the primary public connection |
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| 02:42.29 | epitamizor | ok so I got another machine, same user account, but I need to authenticate with one server. is ldap now the way to go for that? |
| 02:45.14 | Gm4n | thanks gnarface, you were right - I only need one gateway |
| 02:47.01 | bezaban | has anyone played around with the functionality of HSMs? |
| 02:47.18 | Gm4n | bezaban: somewhat |
| 02:47.25 | bezaban | I'm looking at signing DNSSEC zones with one |
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| 02:48.10 | bezaban | currently using our CA to login with smartcards, but want to expand the use of HSM in infrastructure |
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| 02:48.25 | Gm4n | hmm, could that be prone to DOS? |
| 02:48.52 | bezaban | Gm4n: revocations are handled by public CRL/OCSP |
| 02:49.15 | Gm4n | so the zone doesn't need continual re-signing? |
| 02:50.03 | bezaban | DNS is unchartered territory for me, but basically a cert is valid until revoked and the client handles the checking of validity |
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| 02:51.27 | bezaban | ocsp/crl/ldap are public knowledge |
| 02:51.49 | Gm4n | ok, makes sense. I just haven't worked with them |
| 02:52.07 | bezaban | zone needs resigning on change ofc |
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| 02:52.57 | Gm4n | of course, but it wouldn't be a constant thing. What's the HSM specific part of question? |
| 02:53.28 | bezaban | well. it's using opendnssec |
| 02:53.44 | bezaban | so the HSM signs the zone without exposing the key |
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| 02:55.53 | bezaban | this should complement a key pretty well |
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| 02:56.10 | bezaban | you know *who* from *where* and *what* it is |
| 02:56.24 | Gm4n | yep - you just can never get the private key |
| 02:56.56 | bezaban | but you can still sign/encrypt stuff with it |
| 02:57.18 | bezaban | or use HSM encrypted keys |
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| 02:58.02 | bezaban | I like that. Using encrypted keys that are decrypted in the HSM and used there |
| 02:58.13 | Fr34k4rd | I try install postgres |
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| 02:58.24 | Gm4n | bezaban: yeah, HSMs are pretty awesome |
| 02:58.26 | Fr34k4rd | but when finish to install I set this comand |
| 02:58.34 | Fr34k4rd | psql -l and say this |
| 02:58.58 | Fr34k4rd | sow@test:~$ psql -l |
| 02:58.58 | Fr34k4rd | psql: no se pudo conectar con el servidor: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 02:58.59 | Fr34k4rd | ¿Está el servidor en ejecución localmente y aceptando |
| 02:58.59 | Fr34k4rd | conexiones en el socket de dominio Unix «/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432»? |
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| 02:59.45 | Gm4n | !tell Fr34k4rd about paste |
| 02:59.58 | Fr34k4rd | sorry |
| 03:00.40 | Fr34k4rd | say psql can´t conect to the srevre the file dont existon the patch |
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| 03:01.06 | Fr34k4rd | ask the server is runing on local |
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| 03:02.08 | Gm4n | Fr34k4rd: so you're unable to find the unix domain socket? |
| 03:02.14 | bezaban | Gm4n: can use them to offload ssl acceleration too |
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| 03:02.41 | Fr34k4rd | yes |
| 03:02.43 | Fr34k4rd | :( |
| 03:03.22 | Fr34k4rd | I don't understand because dont hace /etc/postgres |
| 03:03.48 | Fr34k4rd | I dont know wher I can configure or change the configuration on postgres |
| 03:04.20 | Fr34k4rd | and I look tha /etc/init.d/postgres start don´t work |
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| 03:08.16 | mad_mode_on | hey how to reinstall Gnome on Debian 7 Wheezy ? |
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| 03:14.09 | jmcnaught | hi folks and happy 20th to debian! i'm looking for some guidance on installing Tripwire in a way that's fully automated. Specfically how to handle the passphrases for the keys. Should I preseed the passphrases (and if I do it that way, do I need to remove the passphrases as plain-text from somewhere in the debconf database?) |
| 03:15.28 | cafuego | See #puppet :-) |
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| 03:16.12 | mad_mode_on | it says it depends on libreoffice-gnome and it won't be installed |
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| 03:21.32 | jmcnaught | cafuego: well i might, but i'm not using puppet so i don't think they'll want to help me. i'm trying to figure out how to use debconf preseeds (and clean up afterwards to remove secrets) but most of the search results i'm pulling up are specific to the debian installer |
| 03:21.47 | jmcnaught | cafuego: i'll keep looking though, thanks :) |
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| 04:06.09 | Evidlo | can upstart and sysvinit coexist on debian? |
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| 04:09.26 | icedtea | Evidlo: It seems pointless to me to use systemd or upstart, seems like all the startup scripts in debian are sysv |
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| 04:17.54 | wkmanire | Is this the correct place to ask questions about installation problems? |
| 04:19.30 | Rusty1 | !ask |
| 04:19.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:20.41 | wkmanire | I am installing debian 64 bit net install on a series of identical computers. |
| 04:20.57 | wkmanire | 2 of them had no problems. They are older machines, 2003 ish. |
| 04:21.32 | wkmanire | The third one I am working on does not seem to be able to talk to my router. |
| 04:21.48 | wkmanire | It send DHCP requests, the router issues an IP address to it, but the machine thinks that isn't happening. |
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| 04:22.00 | Evidlo | my .xsession keeps running |
| 04:22.18 | mumpitzel | wkmanire: what network chip on the one that fails? |
| 04:22.21 | wkmanire | I tried disabling the onboard ethernet card and installing an ethernet card in a PCI slot and both are happening. |
| 04:22.33 | wkmanire | both are having the same results rather. |
| 04:22.44 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: I will find out, just a moment |
| 04:22.53 | mumpitzel | lspci -nn will tell you |
| 04:23.49 | wkmanire | Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX is the onboard, ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 is in the PCI slot. |
| 04:24.09 | mumpitzel | those are not network chips |
| 04:24.09 | wkmanire | I'm in the advanced installer currently. eth0 has been configured as the onboard, eth1 as the PCI. |
| 04:24.23 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: Let me see if I can get to a shell. |
| 04:24.34 | mumpitzel | ctrl+alt+f2 will get you a shell |
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| 04:25.39 | wkmanire | *sigh*, the screen is misaligned and I can't see the output. Hold on. |
| 04:26.35 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: ok, the output is a bunch of hexadecimal numbers, which column do I need to read from? |
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| 04:27.54 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: -nn shows [11ad:0002] (rev 20) and [1317:0985] (rev 11) |
| 04:28.04 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: Is that what you needed to see? |
| 04:29.10 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 11ad:0002 |
| 04:29.11 | judd | [11ad:0002] is 'LNE100TX' from 'Lite-On Communications Inc' with kernel module 'tulip' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ad:0002 |
| 04:29.19 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 1317:0985 |
| 04:29.20 | judd | [1317:0985] is 'NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100' from 'ADMtek' with kernel module 'tulip' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1317:0985 |
| 04:29.43 | mumpitzel | try to set the IP manually? |
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| 04:32.21 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: Yes, does not work. |
| 04:32.28 | wkmanire | as in, I set it but I cannot even ping the router |
| 04:32.54 | wkmanire | Just verified, I can ping the router from the laptop I'm using to talk to you. |
| 04:33.15 | wkmanire | What are the odds that both ethernet cards are fried? |
| 04:33.20 | wkmanire | Pretty hard to believe. |
| 04:34.04 | mumpitzel | check your ethernet cables then |
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| 04:35.35 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: heh, that might be it. I pulled the cable from a machine that was working before I started this process and now putting it back in it isn't working in the other machine. |
| 04:35.57 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: I'm going to go restart my router just to verify. |
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| 04:38.52 | wkmanire | mumpitzel: Ok, still no beans, may be the cable. At least I know the cards are probably fine. Thanks for helping me. |
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| 05:29.41 | ffio | the only difference between debian and ubuntu is that it has upstart where as debian using system V based init scripts and the difference in package management that's it ? |
| 05:30.05 | jesther | ffio: Ubuntu uses sudo instead of root login. |
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| 05:30.30 | ffio | jesther: ok.. the directory structure is almost same right ? |
| 05:30.31 | smw | ffio, difference in package management? |
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| 05:30.49 | smw | ffio, yes, the two are very close to each other |
| 05:30.55 | jesther | Pretty much. I think Debian uses LSB though. |
| 05:31.18 | smw | jesther, using sudo instead of root is just the default |
| 05:31.24 | ffio | if i want to port an app from ubuntu to debain it would not create troubles right ? |
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| 05:31.26 | jesther | Yep. |
| 05:31.30 | smw | jesther, it is rather easy to enable/disable root |
| 05:31.47 | jesther | It's pre-configured in Ubuntu. |
| 05:31.56 | smw | ubuntu comes with some nice shell stuff preinstalled like bash-completion, command-not-found, etc |
| 05:31.59 | jesther | It's your choice on how you want to run your comp. |
| 05:32.13 | smw | ffio, it is unlikely it would take much porting |
| 05:32.24 | ffio | smw: that's sounds great :) |
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| 05:32.45 | smw | ffio, many compile the same package for use in both debian and ubuntu |
| 05:33.15 | ffio | smw: so it would not be a trouble to port it. :D |
| 05:33.41 | ffio | smw: this must be same for both the side right ubuntu -> debain and debian -> ubuntu |
| 05:33.51 | smw | ffio, probably. I am sure you can find an edge case such as one that interacts with upstart or something... |
| 05:34.34 | smw | ffio, I will probably get yelled at for saying this, but yeah, they are mostly the same. |
| 05:35.16 | ffio | smw: ok sir :) |
| 05:35.59 | ffio | other than that thing should be uniform . so there would not be a prob now :) |
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| 05:40.16 | peterrooney | smw: you probably won't be yelled at, but expect corrections. |
| 05:41.38 | peterrooney | ffio: the differences between debian and ubuntu are non-trivial. |
| 05:43.17 | ffio | peterrooney: can you point out some imp ones so that i can know abt it.. |
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| 05:45.20 | peterrooney | ffio: package versions. package defaults. system installer. package management. license policy. |
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| 05:48.15 | ffio | peterrooney: ok :) |
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| 05:48.41 | peterrooney | ffio: roughly speaking, ubuntu started by taking a version of debian that was explicitly not ready for release (aka testing), changed the defaults on various popular programs common in the desktop use-case so that the average non-administrator could use them without too much fiddling, and slapped a slick installer on it. |
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| 05:49.42 | peterrooney | ffio: every once in a while they repeat. It baffles me that they think such a process is acceptable. |
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| 05:50.46 | peterrooney | ...but their ongoing success tells me I may be overlooking what the average person might think is sane. |
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| 05:51.16 | cafuego | The averge person wants a system to boot into a pretty useable desktop that plays media files. |
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| 05:51.46 | cafuego | and certainly back in Etch days, that was not Debian. |
| 05:52.22 | flux242 | could anybody suggest me a small sip client for linux? I mean no video shit, just voice and minimum dependencies |
| 05:53.35 | ffio | peterrooney: thanks for giving me more detail explation, now getting what's different between both of them. |
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| 05:55.41 | epitamizor | you mean like mumble? |
| 05:56.44 | peterrooney | cafuego: arguably not even now. libdvdcss, for example. |
| 05:57.11 | cafuego | peterrooney: optical media? is that still a thing? ;-) |
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| 05:58.03 | Devastator | also, ubuntu supports closed-source drivers, which imho is bad practice |
| 05:59.05 | cafuego | Devastator: From my point of view, why use an OS that won't support the hardware I buy? |
| 05:59.06 | Devastator | I like the debian way of dealing with it: "Oh, your device has closed-sources? Deal with the vendor." |
| 05:59.32 | Devastator | if you want to use such OS, buy hardware it support |
| 05:59.49 | Devastator | or put pressure on hardware vendor to open their sources |
| 05:59.59 | cafuego | That is not always availble everywhere and often is more expensive. |
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| 06:00.07 | Devastator | how can you secure an OS with closed-sources? |
| 06:00.34 | cafuego | Devastator: What BIOS/EFI do you use? |
| 06:00.48 | Devastator | the vendor.. |
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| 06:00.53 | cafuego | Did you buy COTS hardware? |
| 06:00.56 | cafuego | Fail, then. |
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| 06:01.14 | cafuego | It's a nice sentiment, but in the real world it doesn't work that way. |
| 06:01.51 | anton02 | wheezy = slackware 6 years ago in terms of the versions of software. Are you guys okay with this? |
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| 06:02.10 | epitamizor | WTF |
| 06:02.19 | Devastator | it doesn't work because people want something easy and don't pressure the vendor, they usually come here to put pressure on debian maintainers |
| 06:02.27 | epitamizor | debian is 20, getting old :() |
| 06:02.50 | cafuego | Devastator: 20,000 people is peanuts to a vendor. |
| 06:03.39 | Devastator | opensource community seems a lot bigger than that.. |
| 06:03.39 | cafuego | eyeballs apache. Whatcha doin there, mr 404pants? |
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| 06:06.02 | Devastator | but I get your point, for example, my old 7800GS got 840FPS with nouveau, I installed from nvidia and got 10000+, Debian just says: don't want to use nouveau? ok, you are on your own, it's not our fault nvidia make poor drivers, deal with them |
| 06:06.20 | Devastator | from my point of view, debian is not wrong at all |
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| 06:06.54 | anton02 | wheezy reminds me so much of when i was a kid. haven't used linux software this old for ages. |
| 06:07.31 | cafuego | Devastator: it's a nice sentiment, but sadly one that makes people use something else. |
| 06:07.34 | cafuego | hence Ubuntu. |
| 06:08.10 | cafuego | anton02: #gentoo is thatttaway -> |
| 06:08.19 | peterrooney | cafuego: s/people/impatient people/ |
| 06:08.22 | jordemort | ubuntu seems like it's going all windows 8 |
| 06:08.23 | anton02 | i ain't complaining. i enjoy nostalgia |
| 06:08.48 | jordemort | "oh hey touch is cool let's ruin our desktop in the name of touch even though nobody really wants it there" |
| 06:08.49 | Devastator | ubuntu is just like a "opensource windows" |
| 06:08.50 | cafuego | peterrooney: Dunno about impatient, I found having to wait 2 years for working wifi a bit long ;-) |
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| 06:09.32 | Devastator | some people use it just to say they use linux, but love the "let me detect your cards, let me configure your network" windows-like things |
| 06:09.33 | anton02 | cafuego: Isn't it possible to use a new kernel? |
| 06:10.20 | epitamizor | mint linux is worse, oh let me use opendns without my approval... |
| 06:10.32 | cafuego | Devastator: That configuration shit that software can do, software should do. It's not 1993 anymore :-) |
| 06:10.40 | jordemort | epitamizor: ew mint does that? |
| 06:10.41 | cafuego | anton02: Sure |
| 06:10.45 | jordemort | nasty |
| 06:11.29 | anton02 | just out of curiosity, how come you choose to use debian over newer software? |
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| 06:11.37 | Devastator | cafuego it can do, when it's not a blackbox thing, removing all the debugging stuff or suppressing what I love about linux, which is: it shows what is really happening! |
| 06:11.38 | smw | Devastator, that is one thing I really want in Debian, Ubuntu's "jockey" driver manager |
| 06:11.46 | cafuego | anton02: I like my servers to be stable |
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| 06:12.09 | anton02 | what about with regards to desktop usage |
| 06:12.28 | smw | anton02, "it works" (TM) |
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| 06:12.37 | cafuego | I wany my desktop to me Mac OS X , actually |
| 06:12.44 | cafuego | but without the typos |
| 06:12.56 | smw | anton02, whenever I want newer software, I backport from unstable. There are only a few programs I actually care about backporting |
| 06:13.11 | anton02 | most people are shying away from mac and windows cause of NSA |
| 06:13.20 | smw | anton02, it gives me something more up to date and yet more stable than Ubuntu |
| 06:13.41 | cafuego | anton02: ... and yet they keep using cloud services, yeah. |
| 06:13.43 | smw | (since I only care about having a couple package up to date anyways) |
| 06:14.33 | Devastator | in the near future ubuntu will probably not let you write a text because "passed your bed time" heheh |
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| 06:15.20 | smw | Devastator, believe it or not, ubuntu has some cool stuff and preset defaults. |
| 06:15.39 | epitamizor | the people who make those distro's think they know how to control your own computer |
| 06:15.45 | Devastator | I'm this close to see "Access Denied" even with root :P |
| 06:16.07 | smw | Devastator, things have gone downhill recently which prompted me to move to debian, but they did some cool stuff by default that I have manually added to debian |
| 06:16.27 | jordemort | cafuego: have you seen elementary OS? |
| 06:16.37 | cafuego | jordemort: nope... what is it? |
| 06:16.40 | smw | epitamizor, why the hell not? I like things to just work |
| 06:17.02 | epitamizor | thats what she said... |
| 06:17.07 | anton02 | cafuego: a theme turned distro |
| 06:17.07 | jordemort | new ubuntu-based distro with a new desktop environment, very mac-ish |
| 06:17.52 | Devastator | smw well, they are pioneer with live-cd iirc, but just like epitamizor said, they don't have to act as they know how to control the computer I've built |
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| 06:17.59 | smw | epitamizor, I jumped ship when they patched in their own accounts system to empathy that logged me out and crashed occasionally |
| 06:18.18 | cafuego | Without that awful unity crap? |
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| 06:18.34 | jordemort | it's not unity based |
| 06:18.41 | cafuego | double plus win |
| 06:18.57 | jordemort | i'm not sure what it really is actually, their website is kind of light on information |
| 06:19.06 | jordemort | and i haven't gotten around to firing it up in a VM yet |
| 06:19.10 | jordemort | but it looks mac-ish to me |
| 06:19.17 | cafuego | matches the font style i suppose |
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| 06:19.25 | jordemort | and i'm an actual dirty mac user |
| 06:19.46 | cafuego | You know, most kernel hackers are dirty mac users too |
| 06:19.57 | cafuego | so i think it's fine to be one :-) |
| 06:20.03 | smw | elementary os looks nice... |
| 06:20.18 | cafuego | will looks whe he finishes the final vm migration |
| 06:20.18 | smw | A pretty good looking mac clone |
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| 06:20.32 | relipse | is there a way to get free debian stickers for my cubicle? |
| 06:20.44 | jordemort | it looks like they're over in #elementary, guess further discussion of it should go over there ;) |
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| 06:23.59 | fetoega | howdy. |
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| 06:24.55 | fetoega | I am having issues with sound crackling. And i tried the tsched=0 option in pa config and that only makes it worse. Any ideas? This problem is not existing on other distros i have tried so far. |
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| 06:25.04 | fetoega | It is a new machine with a haswell chip. |
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| 06:27.16 | fetoega | "Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid" is my version but the problem existed on wheezy as well so i thought an upgrade might help. It did not. |
| 06:27.53 | mumpitzel | don't use PA? and what kernel are you running? |
| 06:28.21 | fetoega | Linux arcee 3.10-2-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10.5-1 (2013-08-07) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:28.54 | fetoega | Would not PA be required for mixing on a intel HD audio chip? |
| 06:28.55 | Konomi | using pulse? |
| 06:29.01 | fetoega | yes |
| 06:29.11 | Konomi | tried bypassing it and using alsa only? |
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| 06:30.02 | mumpitzel | alsa can mix on its own too |
| 06:30.18 | Konomi | it's more for eliminating one variable |
| 06:30.21 | fetoega | should i uninstall it or should i ujst disable it? |
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| 06:30.43 | Konomi | you might be able to get a program to play directly to alsa with it running |
| 06:30.59 | Konomi | can just stop the process of pulse and try to play someting through alsa |
| 06:31.09 | Konomi | if you lose the crackling you'll know it's an issue with pulse |
| 06:31.14 | Konomi | if you still get it it'll be alsa |
| 06:31.38 | fetoega | if i disable tsched=0 i get a little less crackling, but still enough to make listening to music unbareable |
| 06:31.51 | Konomi | that just changes timing method |
| 06:32.06 | Konomi | I'd disable pulse and see if alsa crackles |
| 06:32.10 | fetoega | does alsaplayer use alsa direclty or is it piping to PA? |
| 06:32.22 | Konomi | if it doesn't you can go about configuring pulse to access alsa differently as I have to avoid some issues |
| 06:32.30 | mumpitzel | aplay should play directly |
| 06:32.33 | mumpitzel | !alsa checklist |
| 06:32.33 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 06:38.31 | LLckfan | Hello |
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| 06:43.07 | fetoega | mumpitzel, can it have anything to do with that i also have some nvidia hdmi sound chip on my gfx card? |
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| 06:50.25 | fetoega | i was suggested by another to disable power_save in "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" nut i do not know the correct syntax in how to do that. |
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| 07:03.03 | fetoega | ok this last change worked. I blacklisted the "snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi" in "alsa-base-blacklist.conf" and now the sound is great. |
| 07:04.26 | fetoega | i still have some minto stutters though but it is rare enough now that it is still usable. |
| 07:04.31 | fetoega | minor* |
| 07:07.03 | fetoega | disabling automute in alsamixer seems to have solved that last issue. |
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| 07:08.08 | LLckfan | I am trying to reconnect my Magnavox MBP 5120 blu-ray player to my Linksys routers wifi (which I have done before without trouble) and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have change the IP Address to manual without changing the IP address itself and no error. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 07:08.41 | zmode | LLckfan: is either of these running debian? |
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| 07:19.35 | pederindi | hi, I'm trying to get out of gmail. But I need an application that can manage archive and indexing for searching emails by: from, to, ... This application exists ? Thanks |
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| 07:22.13 | mumpitzel | pederindi: icedove |
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| 07:26.47 | pederindi | mumpitzel: thanks for answer. For example, in gmail I have 6GB. So assuming the use use of icedove, is +6GB or more to my harddisk, and now is full (for giving you the detail). Is there a remote / web application of icedove... ? to manage this archive. Assume that my archive will get years and years of information. Could be not managed in my laptop where I work. Suggestions ? |
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| 07:29.37 | mumpitzel | pederindi: do you want web based email or locally based email? if it's local, then yes, the amount of mail you have is, and stays, on your own harddisk |
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| 07:30.49 | mumpitzel | or do you want to run your own web based email so you can access your email at home from when you are on the go? |
| 07:31.34 | pederindi | mumpitzel: Yes, sorry. I will go from gmail to riseup. So I need an IMAP application for managing. But also, I need to manage archive of heavy size. And riseup, and this kind of services, don't have much space |
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| 07:31.58 | pederindi | mumpitzel: exist an application web-based ? |
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| 07:32.47 | mumpitzel | pederindi: how is this question debian related if you want a web based email service? |
| 07:33.06 | mumpitzel | !es |
| 07:33.06 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 07:33.39 | mumpitzel | I strongly suggest you ask a spanish channel, since you seem to have difficulty expressing yourself in englsh |
| 07:33.42 | mumpitzel | +i |
| 07:33.46 | pederindi | pederindi: because I'm a debian user |
| 07:34.15 | pederindi | mumpitzel: thanks for the suggestion, I will try there :) |
| 07:34.20 | mumpitzel | we support debian programs. we don't give buying advice for what webmail providers to use. if you need an imap client: icedove |
| 07:34.44 | pederindi | mumpitzel: imap client web based, icedove is standalone ? |
| 07:35.05 | pederindi | mumpitzel: (and supported by debian repositories) |
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| 07:36.01 | mumpitzel | roundcube, squirrelmail |
| 07:37.13 | pederindi | mumpitzel: thanks, I think that's what I want |
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| 07:38.52 | xkosh | geary is in the repos and is alot better than icedove imho |
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| 07:39.48 | xkosh | it doesnt do pop3, but it will download mail in advance |
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| 07:40.06 | mumpitzel | as long as it does imap well, all is well :) |
| 07:40.39 | pederindi | xkosh: thanks for suggestion |
| 07:40.45 | xkosh | nod |
| 07:41.46 | pederindi | also will be interesting having an hibrid: icedove / geary for emails from the present (interval one week), and all mails (archive), by a web based application. But I don't know If you can make that kind of restrictions in IMAP sync |
| 07:42.06 | joschka | I am SO annoyed with bluez, everytime I reboot or suspend my PC I have to fight this stupid thing until I can use my keyboard again. I connect my Keyboard by pressing random Keys on my Keyboard (altough this should work without me interacting) and then there is no event created for that keyboard (bt-device -i lists the keyboard as connected anyway). So I have to restart the bluetooth service connect the |
| 07:42.08 | joschka | device, see that there is still no event created, disconnect it again und mayby then after me pressing random keys the keyboard is connected AND there is an event created |
| 07:42.16 | xkosh | 1 caveat is that it doesnt have alot of filtering and rules, but you could do that serverside if your host allows it |
| 07:42.30 | joschka | why is bluez giving me such a hard time |
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| 07:44.27 | xkosh | there's imapfilter but i havent tried it |
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| 07:52.24 | armybrat | I'm trying to copy (rsync) some data from one server to another, but for some reason the destination folder is smaller than the original. It has the same count of files but is just smaller. How can that be? Can I somehow compare the 2 and find out whats changed? The precise numbers is here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9331b9a7/ |
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| 07:53.59 | mumpitzel | armybrat: different blocksize? |
| 07:55.31 | armybrat | mumpitzel - hm, that could be it. how can I see what the blocksize is? |
| 07:56.17 | armybrat | sorry, asked before thinking. google had the answer. |
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| 08:00.41 | armybrat | mumpitzel - block size on both machines are the same, 4kb. any other ideas? |
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| 08:11.57 | ksuhku | congrats debian 20 year old! |
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| 08:14.02 | digdilem | that was yesterday dude. we had cake and balloons - you missed it! |
| 08:15.39 | Deeps | august 16th is debian's birthday? |
| 08:15.41 | Deeps | really? |
| 08:16.08 | Deeps | wow |
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| 08:18.38 | digdilem | can't detect if sarcasm, but yes |
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| 08:20.36 | Deeps | digdilem: i share a birthday with Debian :) |
| 08:20.53 | digdilem | ah, happy birthday to you too, then! |
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| 08:39.50 | BotaniCar | deep: still not legal to drink beer everywhere, eh ? :) |
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| 08:53.56 | sevenfourk | people, is there any alternative to aptitude search, some tool that supports indexing and can work faster than aptitude? |
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| 09:12.36 | joltcan | sevenfourk: I like apt-cache |
| 09:12.55 | joltcan | sevenfourk: or just the debian site, packages.debian.org |
| 09:13.11 | joltcan | sevenfourk: apt-cache search foo |
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| 09:15.34 | boudiccas | I have the weird experience of having artifacts left on my screen. Like, I maximise xchat, and then manually decrease its size , but it still shows as maximised on the desktop, even though it can be minimsed to the status bar. So how do i get rid if the artifacts please? |
| 09:15.42 | sevenfourk | oh, damn, I forgot, thank you joltcan. |
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| 09:16.34 | joltcan | sevenfourk: I'm trying to adjust to just using aptitude after using apt-foo for 10 years :). But the search thing is sloooooow |
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| 09:16.59 | sevenfourk | joltcan: it just doesn't work with regexp features, which aptitude possess. |
| 09:17.09 | sevenfourk | joltcan: aptitude is kickass tool. |
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| 09:17.34 | sevenfourk | after my friend talked me out of apt-get, I'm constantly using aptitude. |
| 09:17.50 | joltcan | maybe there is some option to disable the initial part of the search |
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| 09:20.27 | boudiccas | ah, sorted, reran xcompmgr |
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| 09:56.32 | Kunal | can anyone give me a good tutorial link to install gamepanelx on debian? |
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| 10:00.08 | joltcan | Kunal: I think the steps on the GamePanelX site should be sufficient. Download the file, unpack, put it in your webserver, create a database (mysql/postgres) and go to the web address where you put the files? |
| 10:00.32 | Kunal | kk thx |
| 10:00.44 | joltcan | Kunal: http://gamepanelx.com/wikiv3/index.php?title=Master_Install |
| 10:01.01 | Kunal | oh thx again |
| 10:01.15 | joltcan | Kunal: that was me looking at their site, I have never used it :) |
| 10:01.39 | Kunal | kkk i'll try it |
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| 10:43.38 | hanibana | hi, I have a local squeeze mirror. But, I have no currently installed squeeze. How can I use "aptitude download" in another version of debian to get some apps with its dependencies |
| 10:43.39 | hanibana | ? |
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| 10:45.45 | skribblezatcha | hanibana: are you there? |
| 10:46.00 | hanibana | skribblezatcha: here I am! |
| 10:46.42 | skribblezatcha | ok cool. go to your sources.lists and add the repo that you want the app from ok? then enter sudo apt-get install "app of choice" into terminal. |
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| 10:47.06 | skribblezatcha | that should get it..since it should go for the most recent version available..if that is what you are trying to do? |
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| 10:47.22 | mumpitzel | hanibana: what debian version are you currently running? |
| 10:48.01 | hanibana | actually, mirror az i386 and I have squeeze amd64 installed. |
| 10:48.36 | mumpitzel | !tell hanibana about multiarch |
| 10:49.01 | mumpitzel | skribblezatcha: your advice was bloody awful btw. look at /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 10:49.01 | skribblezatcha | so what are you trying to do hanibana? |
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| 10:49.44 | skribblezatcha | i guess that it was..my fault. |
| 10:49.50 | hanibana | mumpitzel: thank u, interesting. |
| 10:50.00 | hanibana | and thanks skribblezatcha. |
| 10:50.06 | skribblezatcha | yw hanibana. |
| 10:50.12 | mumpitzel | hanibana: you will need to run wheezy however. in squeeze you basically need a full chroot |
| 10:50.33 | mumpitzel | hanibana: any special reason you don't want to switch to debian stable? |
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| 10:51.32 | hanibana | mumpitzel: becasue of old company's softwares, which I have not control on. |
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| 10:52.24 | mumpitzel | what software? and you will have to switch to debian stable sooner or later: in 9 months you have no choice anymore. unless you want to ignore security risks |
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| 10:53.33 | hanibana | mumpitzel: yeah they just ignore. Anyway, dpkg does not have --add-architecture option! |
| 10:54.21 | mumpitzel | as I wrote: wheezy |
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| 10:54.28 | mumpitzel | please read what I wrote above again |
| 10:55.00 | hanibana | mumpitzel: oh, yes. |
| 10:55.26 | skribblezatcha | so squeeze is old stable..and wheezy is stabe correct mumpitzel? |
| 10:55.31 | mumpitzel | skribblezatcha: yes |
| 10:55.41 | jiohdi | sid is unstable |
| 10:55.50 | skribblezatcha | ok cool, thanks. i am using jessie repo's..which is testing. |
| 10:55.57 | mumpitzel | hanibana: you will need to install a 2nd debian in a chrott |
| 10:55.58 | mumpitzel | *chroot |
| 10:56.16 | skribblezatcha | right jiohdi. |
| 10:56.45 | jiohdi | then there is backport which is what stable testing? |
| 10:57.06 | hanibana | mumpitzel: yes thanks |
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| 10:58.19 | skribblezatcha | i dont know jiohdi..to be honest. i am new to debian. i was using linux mint for a long time and after ubuntu began to act wild (which has nothing to do with mint by the way..they are awesome as a distro and a team), i decided to move a bit farther away from a ubuntu based distro and use a debian based distro. |
| 10:58.58 | jiohdi | yeah, I made the switch to debian just a couple of weeks before wheezy release |
| 10:59.11 | skribblezatcha | even though right now i am on upup raring 3.9.9.1..that i am running from an 8gb usb stick. :) |
| 10:59.26 | BenNZ | jiohdi: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 10:59.37 | skribblezatcha | nice jiohdi. i am using lmde now..which is linux mint's debian edition..which is based on testing. |
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| 11:00.01 | jiohdi | I am using debian with i3wm and a lxpanel |
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| 11:01.31 | skribblezatcha | nice..i chose to use lmde Cinnamon..since i love the DE. Cinnamon 2.0 should be completely independent of gnome..which i am looking forward to. that will be with the mint 16 release. (hopefully) |
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| 11:02.24 | jiohdi | tried i3 a month or so ago been hooked ever since |
| 11:02.51 | jiohdi | discovered I could add an lxpanel to it and I think its even better now |
| 11:03.01 | skribblezatcha | right..i feel that. |
| 11:03.15 | skribblezatcha | have you ever heard of upup man? |
| 11:03.25 | jiohdi | is that a puppy varient? |
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| 11:03.50 | skribblezatcha | yeah..its based on ubuntu raring. its the nicest puppy in the game right now i think. |
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| 11:04.22 | skribblezatcha | i added xfce4 to it...and have everything that i need in a system on it. the limitations are space ofcourse..other than that..there are none. |
| 11:04.33 | jiohdi | I have tried a lot of pups... macpup slacko carolina lighthouse and more |
| 11:04.39 | skribblezatcha | although if you download and direct it to a drive that you have somewhere..then you are golden. |
| 11:05.07 | skribblezatcha | yeah, i checked out macpup..its alright although its base is old..so i didnt stick with it. i just wanted to check it out. |
| 11:05.16 | skribblezatcha | this one has a decent kernel..check it out. |
| 11:05.24 | jiohdi | the only issue I have with puppy's are dependency hells |
| 11:05.25 | skribblezatcha | 3.9.9-upup |
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| 11:05.59 | skribblezatcha | true that..although once you get the hang of it and learn to go and get them and install them manually..those go away and it becomes a dope lil OS. |
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| 11:06.06 | jiohdi | something is always missing on what I want |
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| 11:07.24 | skribblezatcha | i had an issue with minitube..and this dude hooked me up. i am still trying to figure out how he pulled it off so that i can do it later on down the road or something. i have the minitube though..so its all good. |
| 11:07.55 | jiohdi | i just upgraded pulse audio to version 4 using backport and lost minitube |
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| 11:08.20 | skribblezatcha | i think that you really need to get the right pup. there is dpup which is debian squeeze based..then there is upup raring which i am using. puppy precise is ofcourse nice. |
| 11:08.45 | jiohdi | I will stick to debian at the moment :) |
| 11:08.54 | skribblezatcha | lol..see thats whats insane about debian. you dont run into those issues with a ubuntu based distro. |
| 11:09.01 | skribblezatcha | i hear ya there..i am doing the same.. |
| 11:09.19 | jiohdi | ubuntu has proven to be too bloated for my old machines |
| 11:09.25 | skribblezatcha | i lost thunderbird adding minitube to lmde. so i had to go and get it back. |
| 11:09.37 | skribblezatcha | right..i feel you jiohdi. |
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| 11:10.18 | jiohdi | I am using weechat right now |
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| 11:11.29 | skribblezatcha | thats cool. i am using pidgin messenger. |
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| 11:13.21 | jiohdi | I have never tried pidgin mess for irc |
| 11:13.23 | skribblezatcha | good look on that backports page too man. |
| 11:13.24 | skribblezatcha | i just read it. |
| 11:13.48 | skribblezatcha | i love it for irc. i use it here and on other protocols..that way i am using a single app instead of two. |
| 11:14.01 | jiohdi | thing I love about wheezy is that a lot of packages are already up todate |
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| 11:14.59 | Yaku-noob | gosh 20 years, and debra and ian are divorced |
| 11:15.10 | jiohdi | are they? |
| 11:16.01 | Yaku-noob | yes, some years ago i think, but i would gladly switch that info to some more linux skill :P |
| 11:16.26 | jiohdi | sad they made a nice distro name together |
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| 11:22.45 | skribblezatcha | i know what you mean jiohdi. i want to stick around mint..so thats why i went with lmde. its really nice. i like it. it just so happens that they use jessie. |
| 11:25.46 | babilen | skribblezatcha: Well, LMDE is not Debian testing and is also not supported in here (just to clarify that) |
| 11:26.30 | skribblezatcha | its based on debian testing. |
| 11:27.14 | jiohdi | in a way thats sort of like saying a delorean is based on a wagon :) |
| 11:27.41 | skribblezatcha | i hang out in the lmde room..as well as linux mint room, as well as here..as well as puppylinux..as well as a few other spots. |
| 11:28.08 | babilen | skribblezatcha: Yes, I am very much aware of that. It is still not Debian and we do not support it (or its users) in here. You can, naturally, idle and help in as many channel as you want to, but please do not expect support in here. :) |
| 11:28.10 | skribblezatcha | i guess jiohdi. i figure if i can hit up the same repos as others..it is what it is..with a different appearance. |
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| 11:29.10 | skribblezatcha | okie dokes babilen..thanks for being stuck up and the warm welcome.:) |
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| 11:30.09 | skribblezatcha | to idle in a channel is to say nothing..i obviously dont idle.:) |
| 11:31.03 | babilen | "and help", but lets move on. I was simply under the impression that our policy regarding support of distributions that are based on Debian should be clarified. |
| 11:31.35 | skribblezatcha | okie dokes..thanks babilen..i appreciate it. |
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| 11:34.49 | skribblezatcha | brb..i am going to go and switch over to xfce. |
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| 12:11.33 | skribblezatcha | another freenode channel that sucks. i may as well just delete my freenode account. peace. ;) |
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| 12:11.50 | luv | hey, can I run gnome3 shell in wheezy in live? |
| 12:12.15 | germs | gnome is a gui, not a shell |
| 12:12.21 | germs | not sure what you're asking |
| 12:12.21 | abrotman | germs: gnome-shell |
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| 12:12.47 | abrotman | luv: the debian-live site would have a gnome image if that's the case .. or ask #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:12.59 | luv | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:13.51 | germs | abrotman, luv: whoops, totally over my head, sorry |
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| 12:14.00 | luv | germs: no probs :-) |
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| 12:30.23 | armybrat | after using rsync to copy some dirs to another server, I have a ".@_thumb" folder in all of the copied picture folders. how can that be? |
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| 12:34.36 | morsik | hi. i'm doing debian server for virtualization |
| 12:34.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Does Debian's initramfs support union-mounted squashfs / ? |
| 12:34.50 | morsik | do you guys know something for provisioning debian instances? |
| 12:35.09 | morsik | i need something like amazon has - temporairly vms (started on demand - do something - destroy them) |
| 12:35.26 | morsik | in my example, for now: building packages |
| 12:35.37 | abrotman | morsik: i believe there's a wiki page about openstack stuff |
| 12:35.49 | morsik | abrotman: openstack is too big. i have only 1 server for now :P |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenStack |
| 12:36.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | morsik: heh, I'm working on a similar thing involving squashfs union-mounted with an ext4. Should let one create a new instance relatively quickly. |
| 12:36.00 | abrotman | morsik: then just use virtualbox ? |
| 12:36.03 | morsik | i need something small |
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| 12:36.13 | Yaku-noob | whats the standart noob friendlz editor under wheezy ? |
| 12:36.15 | morsik | abrotman: i'm using kvm :P |
| 12:36.17 | abrotman | or use lxc |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | Yaku-noob: nano ? |
| 12:36.45 | morsik | abrotman: i thought about that, but i need kvm anyway, because i have actual kvm vms runnning on old server which i'll migrate to new |
| 12:36.54 | Yaku-noob | thx |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | morsik: so why are you asking us? sounds like you have an answer? |
| 12:37.11 | morsik | abrotman: huh? no... |
| 12:37.37 | abrotman | morsik: so you want something like openstack, but not openstack because it's too heavy? |
| 12:37.40 | morsik | at first i thought at simple setup: installed debian image, run it in cow mode (?) and run post-start scripts |
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| 12:37.52 | morsik | for configure vm |
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| 12:37.59 | morsik | abrotman: well... yeah. something like this |
| 12:38.09 | morsik | i saw proxmox, looks nice, but it changes too much :P |
| 12:38.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | morsik: you can also tell kvm to use COW on a readonly image and send writes to a different image. |
| 12:38.16 | morsik | i don't trust it without testing |
| 12:38.34 | morsik | Eduard_Munteanu: oh. didn't know that |
| 12:38.37 | abrotman | morsik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing_comparison .. good luck |
| 12:38.42 | morsik | new images would be destroyed anyway |
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| 12:39.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | morsik: see -snapshot (IIRC) in the manpage |
| 12:39.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Also qemu-img's manpage. |
| 12:39.22 | morsik | mhm |
| 12:39.40 | hide | Anyone interested in a permanent link which creates a random /etc/crontab file with different times? PM me. |
| 12:40.19 | morsik | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks, i'll look at this |
| 12:40.42 | Yaku-noob | i just apt-get install ftpd but now i can´t log on to my box, even the root user with pw won´t work, do i have to allow that somewhere, root ftp and anonymous are in the ftpusers file |
| 12:41.12 | Yaku-noob | i get the welcome tho |
| 12:41.20 | abrotman | hide: that seems silly |
| 12:41.52 | hide | abrotman: why? |
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| 12:45.26 | abrotman | hide: why does it seem like a good or needed idea? |
| 12:45.40 | hide | personally I don't see anything silly here. In contrast, I find it really silly for Debian to distribute an OS to millions of PCs all around the world with hardcoded cron runtimes. Redhat has already solved that issue AFAIK. |
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| 12:46.50 | hide | abrotman: if you have an infrastructure and some of servers/pcs/desktops which daily sync data from a remote server, upload statistics or make backups, the remote servers become way overloaded at a single moment of night and they do nothing rest of the time. The quality of service drops noticably |
| 12:47.00 | hide | Especially for backup/storage servers |
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| 12:49.26 | hide | e.g. our backup server has got 1 Gbps link and each server (there are ~50 of them) has got 100 mbps link. Servers links are usually busy about 25-35 megabits/s. So they all start backup jobs at 6:47 daily. Backup server link (1Gbps) becomes saturated. Backuping times too loooooong to complete. I have randomised this and it runs like a charm now. No need to expand the 1Gbps link at the other end at all! |
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| 12:51.20 | hide | abrotman: now it's your turn. Please explain me why it is a silly idea and why you shouldn't do this once on a freshly installed system. |
| 12:51.26 | abrotman | hide: so what you might do instead is having the crontab be static, but call a script that sleeps a random time |
| 12:51.53 | abrotman | hide: I've done such a thing for restarting puppet on client servers, but don't want them to all restart at the same moment |
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| 12:53.20 | hide | Still can't see how adding a sleep to a number of scripts is smarter than modifying a single file once. |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | okay, do whatever you want |
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| 12:54.42 | hide | thanks |
| 12:57.09 | germs | abrotman: care to elaborate on your puppet setup? If you're staggering cron jobs, how many boxes do you have hitting that puppetmaster |
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| 12:57.35 | d1b | hey guys is there a way to skip the mdadm sync of drives -- i have a few 3tb blank drives i have in a new raid array |
| 12:57.41 | d1b | anyway to skip the 3tb blank copy of the drives? |
| 12:57.51 | germs | What sort of hardware specs do the puppetmaster(s) have? |
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| 12:58.07 | digdilem | hide, in your backup example, one way this has been solved very well is how backuppc does it. The backup server schedules backups, not the clients. |
| 12:58.23 | digdilem | it also gives a useful interface to check these backups are working |
| 12:58.33 | digdilem | and alerts you if not |
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| 12:58.53 | hide | digdilem: thanks! But remeber, it's not only about backups! |
| 12:59.04 | digdilem | okay. |
| 12:59.30 | digdilem | I'm not against innovation in any way, but in a decade of sysadminning, I've not found a use for what you describe. But that doesn't mean such a use doesn't exist |
| 12:59.54 | germs | simple resource management |
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| 13:03.15 | hayuto | hi where do i set mx records in debian? |
| 13:03.19 | xingu | hide: "statistical multiplexing"; the question is whether oversubscription is a necessary goal (ie, do you set design tolerance for peak, or average resource use) |
| 13:03.19 | hayuto | for mail |
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| 13:03.33 | germs | hayuto: on your DNS server |
| 13:03.42 | germs | which are you using? |
| 13:03.52 | hayuto | germs: so nothing need to be configured in os? |
| 13:03.56 | abrotman | germs: few dozen for that puppet instance, but just didn't want them to all restart puppet at the same instant |
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| 13:04.43 | germs | abrotman: just curious. I haven't benchmarked puppet, except for initial loads (new server config stuff) |
| 13:04.58 | germs | and I could see why you wouldn't want all of them doing that :) |
| 13:05.11 | abrotman | germs: it was just more about trying to stagger restarts and not inundate the master |
| 13:05.25 | germs | hayuto: mx records correspond to DNS, so you're going to need to add an MX record to your DNS server |
| 13:05.41 | germs | if you're unsure as to where your DNS servers are, whois your domain |
| 13:05.42 | xingu | hide: I've been down your particular path; the observations I'll make are firstly that most decisions to over-subscribe resource are a form of cost optimisation, and secondly that average consumption tends toward peak given sufficient time in any given system |
| 13:05.50 | abrotman | hayuto: yes, your mail server needs to be configured to accept mail for that destination |
| 13:06.16 | hayuto | abrotman: my mail sends mails ok |
| 13:06.20 | hayuto | i just type |
| 13:06.21 | d1b | to answer my own question, i could have used --assume-clean |
| 13:06.27 | hayuto | `mail` |
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| 13:06.34 | hayuto | i installed sendmail |
| 13:06.43 | hayuto | and configured it |
| 13:07.04 | germs | hayuto: your mail may not be properly configured. Have you tried sending from an external domain? |
| 13:07.27 | abrotman | hayuto: what OS is your mail server running? |
| 13:07.47 | hayuto | SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:07.51 | hide | xingu: sometimes you just have systems the way they are and you can't change their hardware, etc. So not an issue about a 'cost optimisation' since this is in fact impossible. Sometimes you need to make things work better with a setup you have. |
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| 13:07.53 | xingu | hide: the last one is this; if you're achieving non-recurring savings, make sure you achieve them by giving up non-recurring opportunity |
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| 13:08.10 | W0rmsy | Hi ! |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | hayuto: why did you choose sendmail ? |
| 13:08.43 | xingu | hide: that one is definitely cost optimisation; scaling a system up is typically a non-recurring cost |
| 13:09.07 | hide | digdilem: do you personally use backuppc? Seems to be pretty attractive thingie |
| 13:09.10 | hayuto | cause in anope (services for irc server) it said it needs sendmail to send passess and stuff like this (from nickserver etc) |
| 13:09.11 | W0rmsy | I need some help with IPV6 |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | so just ask |
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| 13:09.28 | digdilem | hide, yes, for many years. For networks with only one client, to one with over 60 |
| 13:09.53 | digdilem | hide, if using windows clients, I recommend using the cygwin rsynd method - it bypasses a lot of the crazy permission problems |
| 13:09.58 | digdilem | rsyncd |
| 13:10.07 | germs | hayuto: if you're just looking to send email that's fine, but you'll want to add an MX record to your domain |
| 13:10.40 | hide | digdilem: can it just make incremental backups of one system? E.g. the first time you make a 'full' backup and then each day add new files and hardlink the old ones to a specific directory from the full backup. In the full backup directory files which have zero hard links get deleted |
| 13:10.44 | germs | err, wait |
| 13:10.51 | hide | no windows clients here.. |
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| 13:11.22 | hayuto | but what do i write there, my domain is jadisco.pl if i send mail it is services@jadisco.pl |
| 13:11.23 | digdilem | hide, yes, it'll do incrementals as often and as many as you like, and it does exactly what you say - rsyncd the changed files, then build a pool. |
| 13:11.32 | hayuto | germs: but what do i write there, my domain is jadisco.pl if i send mail it is services@jadisco.pl |
| 13:11.46 | hide | great. I need some test field to start exploring this thing |
| 13:11.50 | hide | Thanks! |
| 13:11.54 | digdilem | hide, it'll also only copy one of each physical unique file even if it's used on hundreds of clients - useful if you're backing up OS's |
| 13:11.59 | W0rmsy | ok, I'm trying to make an IPV6 router on debian cauz my provider don't give me IPV6 address. I've registered an account on Hurrican Electric and I've set up a tunnel on my Debian computer. Finally I've installed radvd on debian for announce the IPV6 to the other computer |
| 13:12.34 | W0rmsy | every thing works BUT |
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| 13:13.40 | W0rmsy | from a win computer, whene I try to ping6 google.com it don't works. so I ping 2001:xx:yy:zz::2 <== my server gateway then after I can ping6 google.com |
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| 13:14.29 | W0rmsy | and If I've to traffic for a while on ipv6 I can't anymore ping any ipv6 address, I ve ti ping first my gateway |
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| 13:15.44 | W0rmsy | someboddy knowa why ? |
| 13:17.42 | germs | W0rmsy: sounds like you're not resolving ipv6 properly |
| 13:17.51 | germs | W0rmsy: what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:18.07 | W0rmsy | I can resolve ipv6 address |
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| 13:18.22 | germs | so it's icmp that's being blocked? |
| 13:18.28 | germs | only icmp, can you ping anything else? |
| 13:18.35 | germs | via ipv6 |
| 13:18.37 | W0rmsy | C:\Users\Worms>ping google.ch |
| 13:18.37 | W0rmsy | Pinging google.ch [2a00:1450:4002:802::1017] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 13:18.37 | W0rmsy | Request timed out. |
| 13:18.37 | W0rmsy | Ping statistics for 2a00:1450:4002:802::1017: |
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| 13:18.59 | W0rmsy | http://f4st.pl/Sat17_Aug_2013__15:18:56 |
| 13:19.09 | tgs3 | !give W0rmsy paste |
| 13:19.10 | dpkg | gives W0rmsy paste |
| 13:19.19 | tgs3 | !tell W0rmsy about paste |
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| 13:20.04 | germs | W0rmsy: uhh, my linux box doesn't have a C: drive for some reason... |
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| 13:20.40 | tgs3 | W0rmsy: try ##networking |
| 13:20.46 | germs | so your windows client is not getting proper ipv6 |
| 13:21.12 | germs | and cannot ping outside of your local domain on your side of your ISP's network |
| 13:22.12 | m8 | what is the difference between sid and unstable? |
| 13:22.40 | W0rmsy | http://paste.debian.net/26262/ |
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| 13:23.07 | W0rmsy | 2001:zzzz:yyyy:xxxx::2 <== my debian server |
| 13:23.43 | germs | W0rmsy: it seems your hurricane electric tunnel isn't doing what you expected |
| 13:24.04 | germs | some how you're not resolving ipv6 |
| 13:24.12 | Dagger3 | it's resolving just fine |
| 13:24.21 | W0rmsy | look my past |
| 13:24.30 | W0rmsy | it's resolving properly |
| 13:24.49 | Dagger3 | the issue looks more like... ugh, I dunno, NDP failure or default route expiry or something? |
| 13:25.04 | W0rmsy | something like this sey |
| 13:25.09 | germs | Yep you're right. It's very late and I'm quite out of it |
| 13:25.20 | germs | I'll take a bow and bother you fine folks after some sleep |
| 13:25.27 | W0rmsy | but I've look my route befor and after and it dodn't change |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | W0rmsy: try testing from Debian instead of windows |
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| 13:26.23 | W0rmsy | from the debian server it's wirking |
| 13:26.28 | W0rmsy | working* |
| 13:27.05 | abrotman | sounds like a windows problem then? |
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| 13:27.47 | W0rmsy | maybe |
| 13:27.59 | W0rmsy | but the same on 3 computer |
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| 13:28.18 | W0rmsy | win7 home, win7 pro and win 8.1 preview |
| 13:28.32 | abrotman | all windows .. |
| 13:28.44 | abrotman | maybe you should install a Debian client also, see if the problem also happens |
| 13:28.52 | W0rmsy | yep |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | see you in a bit |
| 13:29.49 | W0rmsy | I've an old ubuntu, I'll test on it |
| 13:29.54 | tgs3 | !ubuntu |
| 13:29.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 13:34.50 | W0rmsy | exactly the same issue |
| 13:35.50 | Dagger3 | we're so touchy about Ubuntu in here... |
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| 13:36.23 | abrotman | Dagger3: it's not on topic |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | or not supported here |
| 13:36.37 | Dagger3 | I know? |
| 13:36.46 | abrotman | W0rmsy: maybe it has something to do with your tunnel? have you asked HE? |
| 13:37.02 | Dagger3 | it may also have something to do with the... Debian server |
| 13:37.21 | W0rmsy | I think I've to do something with the Debian server |
| 13:37.21 | Dagger3 | yet the mere mention of Ubuntu was enough to trigger the "go away and ask somebody else" factoid |
| 13:37.25 | W0rmsy | but what ??? |
| 13:37.39 | Dagger3 | W0rmsy: any firewall on the debian machine? |
| 13:37.44 | abrotman | W0rmsy: does it always work from the router? |
| 13:37.46 | Dagger3 | (`ip6tables -vnL`) |
| 13:37.55 | W0rmsy | no firewall |
| 13:37.59 | W0rmsy | empty |
| 13:38.10 | Dagger3 | and all policies set to ACCEPT, right? |
| 13:38.25 | W0rmsy | yep |
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| 13:38.57 | Dagger3 | since it starts working when the router is pinged from the client, it seems more likely to be a local problem than something with HE |
| 13:39.10 | W0rmsy | abrotman and It's always works from the debian server |
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| 13:39.50 | W0rmsy | if I ping the client from the router, It's works too |
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| 13:43.06 | Dagger3 | maybe looking in the neighbor cache would be informative |
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| 13:43.21 | Dagger3 | `ip -6 n s` on Linux, I'm not sure about Windows (`arp -a`?) |
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| 13:44.02 | W0rmsy | http://paste.debian.net/26266/ |
| 13:44.21 | erie | Is there a code manager in debian? something like espresso in mac? |
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| 13:45.13 | W0rmsy | on win apr -a show only arp for ipv4 |
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| 13:45.42 | Dagger3 | `netsh interface ipv6 show neighbors` maybe |
| 13:45.52 | Dagger3 | I'm on XP here, and the tools changed a bit for Vista |
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| 13:49.01 | W0rmsy | http://paste.debian.net/26267/ <== `ip -6 n s` on Linux |
| 13:50.02 | Dagger3 | DELAY? |
| 13:50.21 | Dagger3 | what happens if you just don't ping the router's ::2 address? does it transition from DELAY to REACHABLE? |
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| 13:50.59 | Dagger3 | (as in, maybe the only thing that pinging ::2 does is give it time to do that) |
| 13:51.05 | ragedragon | Hello the room, |
| 13:51.29 | ragedragon | does one of you did a compilation of mlt 0.9 with ffmpeg 2.0 please? |
| 13:52.03 | ragedragon | get somes errors |
| 13:52.18 | ragedragon | i can not found the correct version expected for melt 0.9 |
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| 13:53.15 | W0rmsy | http://paste.debian.net/26273/ |
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| 13:54.22 | germs | W0rmsy: I'm braindead at the moment, but I'd have to say that your ipv6 gateway (to HE) is messed up some how |
| 13:55.13 | Dagger3 | W0rmsy: you'd expect it to go stale after a bit, of course; it looks like the problem is a long DELAY phase |
| 13:55.20 | Dagger3 | but I don't know what could be causing that |
| 13:55.41 | W0rmsy | :/ |
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| 13:57.21 | Dagger3 | W0rmsy: try asking in #ipv6, maybe someone there will have experience with this |
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| 13:59.04 | W0rmsy | ok |
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| 14:05.40 | ball999 | which distro is this ? SMP Thu Mar 7 15:58:33 EST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:07.06 | zmode | ball999: it's $(cat /etc/*-release*) |
| 14:07.25 | zmode | er, minus that extra *, probably. |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | ball999: lsb_release -a |
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| 14:09.22 | zmode | abrotman: not exactly available everywhere |
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| 14:13.31 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 14:14.41 | Harzilein | it appears that upstream "vendors" who like to cover all bases by making "bindings" releases do their project a disservice when it comes to inclusion in distributions. |
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| 14:16.22 | Harzilein | what i mean is, that distributions like to package from rubygems, pypi, cpan |
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| 14:29.43 | jhutchins | Anybody know of a project to develop a google drive client for Linux? |
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| 14:31.14 | womplat | i once edited a file which had a $PATH and a $SU_PATH in it. Does anybody know which file that is? |
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| 14:33.36 | mischief | jhutchins: did you try to use a search engine |
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| 14:39.32 | jhutchins | mischief: How would a search engine help me determine if people in this channel know of a google drive client? |
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| 14:40.00 | mischief | does it matter if the answer comes from someone specifically in this channel? |
| 14:40.17 | womplat | jhutchins: there is grive |
| 14:41.22 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: it would prove you aren't lazy. which would make us more eager to help you |
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| 14:42.10 | womplat | jhutchins: https://github.com/Grive/grive |
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| 14:43.31 | mumpitze1 | or https://www.insynchq.com/linux |
| 14:43.45 | mumpitze1 | and both were found directly via a single google search. first ~4 hits |
| 14:44.10 | L-sama | anybody know a good virtual machine beside vmware and virtualbox? |
| 14:44.22 | L-sama | if possible a gpl one |
| 14:44.28 | mumpitze1 | kvm/qemu |
| 14:44.44 | womplat | kvm! |
| 14:44.50 | mumpitze1 | Xen. those 4 are your choices basically |
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| 14:44.54 | L-sama | can you install debian in it properly? |
| 14:45.09 | mumpitze1 | define "properly". debian will work in any of them |
| 14:45.11 | L-sama | kvm and qemu |
| 14:45.14 | L-sama | thanks guys |
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| 14:45.22 | womplat | yes kvm is part of the kernel so no probs to exspect |
| 14:45.49 | L-sama | do they have a project site? |
| 14:45.54 | L-sama | or chanel in freenode? |
| 14:46.31 | mumpitze1 | L-sama: kvm is only a kernel module. it's no VM software. that would be qemu |
| 14:46.36 | womplat | L-sama: There are also great tools for kvm. Just search for libvirt, virsh, virt-manager etc. |
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| 14:46.43 | mumpitze1 | L-sama: what host OS will you use? |
| 14:46.49 | womplat | L-sama: it is nearly as simple as apt-get install kvm |
| 14:46.55 | L-sama | a ubuntu |
| 14:47.03 | L-sama | but i put couple debian stuff in it |
| 14:47.08 | L-sama | mostly for the art |
| 14:47.28 | jhutchins | There's also Google's own gsutil: https://developers.google.com/storage/docs/gsutil_install |
| 14:47.38 | Enchie | Can i install a Debian OS onto my home server (also debian) for a PC without a HDD to use |
| 14:47.45 | mumpitze1 | L-sama: then you need to ask #ubuntu for what VM software you should use. you run it under ubuntu, not debian. but debian will work with any of them as a guest |
| 14:47.54 | womplat | jhutchins: But Free Software is better, or is it free? |
| 14:47.56 | SirLagz | Enchie: yes |
| 14:48.18 | Enchie | SirLagz, whats this called so i can go research? :) |
| 14:48.26 | womplat | Enchie: Yes. Or are you talking about a Terminal Server thing? |
| 14:48.27 | SirLagz | pxeboot |
| 14:48.35 | SirLagz | pxeboot live distro |
| 14:48.38 | mumpitze1 | Enchie: yes. you can use your root device on NFS. and boot via tftp, pxe or whatever |
| 14:48.38 | Enchie | yeah |
| 14:48.43 | SirLagz | would probablye be a better search term |
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| 14:49.02 | mumpitze1 | womplat: Xen,virtualbox and kvm/qemu are all Free software |
| 14:49.08 | Enchie | kk thanks guys =) |
| 14:49.15 | jhutchins | SirLagz: Have a look at ltsp - packaged in Debian, pretty much plug-and-play. |
| 14:49.32 | jhutchins | SirLagz: Documentation is somewhat confused and out-of-date. |
| 14:49.35 | SirLagz | jhutchins: I've used that before but it didn't like my hardware lol |
| 14:49.45 | SirLagz | though I haven't used it in the last few years |
| 14:49.56 | womplat | mumpitze1: my question was regarding gsutils |
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| 14:58.49 | jhutchins | Ah, this looks promising: https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse |
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| 14:59.36 | jhutchins | womplat: It would appear to be free. |
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| 15:01.52 | jhutchins | womplat: insync, on the other hand, appears to be closed/subscription based. |
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| 15:05.49 | hypfer | I need help with lirc. |
| 15:05.56 | hypfer | dpkg-reconfigure lirc does nothing |
| 15:06.07 | hypfer | just.. nothing happens. no menu or something at all |
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| 15:07.07 | mumpitze1 | lirc consists mainly of a daemon |
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| 15:34.45 | ball999 | how can I see which distro I am on with ssh it says |
| 15:34.48 | ball999 | SMP Thu Mar 7 15:58:33 EST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:35.06 | mumpitze1 | ball999: please paste the output of "uname -a" |
| 15:35.25 | zmode | ball999: your question was already answered an hour and a half ago |
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| 15:35.43 | ball999 | SMP Thu Mar 7 15:58:33 EST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:35.56 | ball999 | this is output mumpitze1 ^ -_- |
| 15:36.01 | mumpitze1 | ball999: that is not the output |
| 15:36.14 | ball999 | ok I am sorry then my fault |
| 15:36.18 | ball999 | sorry and thanks |
| 15:36.21 | mumpitze1 | please run the command I gave you |
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| 15:43.00 | ball999 | I am on a shared hosting it says cat: /etc/*-release*: No such file or directory |
| 15:43.02 | ball999 | megayell@megayellowbook.com [/]# lsb_release -a |
| 15:43.02 | ball999 | -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 15:43.02 | ball999 | megayell@megayellowbook.com [/]# |
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| 15:43.51 | ball999 | this is output of uname -a mumpitze1 |
| 15:43.53 | ball999 | Linux host106.hostmonster.com 2.6.32-20130307.60.9.bh6.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 7 15:58:33 EST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:48.44 | somiaj | ball999: if it is a debian based distro have you tried apt-get install lsb-release |
| 15:48.46 | mumpitze1 | ball999: not a debian kernel. run "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 15:48.46 | somiaj | then run that command |
| 15:49.28 | ball999 | im not root on shared hosting |
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| 15:49.42 | mumpitze1 | ball999: the file above you can look at without being root |
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| 15:50.25 | ball999 | cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 15:50.25 | ball999 | > |
| 15:50.33 | ball999 | it gave me to write.. |
| 15:50.48 | mumpitze1 | the " at the end is what causes this. don't put a " there |
| 15:51.06 | mumpitze1 | type "<enter" |
| 15:51.35 | mumpitze1 | !version |
| 15:51.35 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 15:51.55 | mumpitze1 | ball999: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 is also a good indirect way to check what version of debian it is |
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| 15:52.08 | ball999 | no such file or dir.. |
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| 15:52.16 | mumpitze1 | ball999: then it's not debian |
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| 15:53.26 | ball999 | but what is it ^^ |
| 15:53.49 | mumpitze1 | cemtos or maybe redhat. so it's OT here |
| 15:54.02 | ziyourenxiang | isn't there an /etc/issue file? |
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| 15:55.40 | ball999 | ziyourenxiang, no |
| 15:55.44 | ball999 | im not root |
| 15:55.56 | mumpitze1 | ball999: that has nothing to do with it. again: world readable file |
| 15:56.01 | ball999 | redhat is a lot better of all other distros honestly? |
| 15:56.02 | ball999 | or no |
| 15:56.23 | ball999 | I was on centos and it was bad honestly |
| 15:56.25 | mumpitze1 | ball999: do you have a debian support problem? |
| 15:56.34 | ball999 | coudln't hget nginx with fpm to work with unix socket |
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| 15:57.25 | CVirus | How can I know my localhost email address ? |
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| 15:57.52 | mumpitze1 | CVirus: normally: username@localhost. IF your MTA accepts mail for localhost |
| 15:58.24 | CVirus | mumpitze1, isn't it something like root@FQDN ? where FQDN comes from /etc/mailname ? |
| 15:58.42 | mumpitze1 | you asked for localhost... |
| 15:59.30 | CVirus | mumpitze1, so where is this localhost email address saved anyways ? |
| 15:59.37 | CVirus | mumpitze1, How can I construct it ? |
| 15:59.46 | mumpitze1 | it's localhost.... and every MTA has different config files |
| 16:00.26 | mumpitze1 | CVirus: you want the FQDN domain name presented to the outside world, that is not localhost ovbiosuly. you need to decide what your actual problem is |
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| 16:10.40 | johnfg | I'm having a bit of trouble getting phpldapadmin to run correctly on wheezy. |
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| 16:38.19 | AlbinoGeek | Hey, I'm in a Debian resceu disk; how would I go about mounting all my physical drives? |
| 16:38.29 | AlbinoGeek | (since they're obviously not in fstab, etc..) |
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| 16:40.23 | Konata | Hello all (Happy birthday!) |
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| 16:40.45 | musca | hey AlbinoGeek & Konata |
| 16:41.08 | Konata | I want to be able to A) search all files within a particular directory for a certain phrase, and then B) print out the whole line, and C) be able to see what file it found with the phrase in it |
| 16:41.11 | Konata | Is this possible |
| 16:41.53 | musca | the find utility can do all of this. |
| 16:42.03 | musca | man find |
| 16:42.11 | AlbinoGeek | Konata: grep "something" "some file(s)" |
| 16:42.12 | AlbinoGeek | -_- |
| 16:42.23 | AlbinoGeek | Or grep -r "something" "some folder" |
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| 16:44.23 | abrotman | zmode: neither is the method you suggested |
| 16:44.37 | Konata | musca, will check on this |
| 16:44.38 | Konata | thanks |
| 16:44.58 | zmode | abrotman: of course |
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| 16:47.32 | Konata | musca, -fprint didn't really do what I want |
| 16:47.41 | Konata | but it definitely accomplished the job |
| 16:47.57 | Dark_light | I just noticed that fdisk screws up the Sector size (logical/physical) using 512 rather than 4096 bytes on my hdd, now if I install debian would the installer partition correctly or should I make the partition myself specifing the blocksize beforehand ? |
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| 16:49.10 | zinx | Dark_light: i think newer debian installers align to 1MB boundaries, not sure |
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| 16:52.23 | Enchie | which is more light on system resources fluxbox or openbox? |
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| 16:52.51 | TomasCZ | I would, to be sure, partition it before hand making sure to pass fdisk right parameters for geometry. Basicaly you could even start installer normaly, and after it detects your disk, switch to other console, and run fdisk there. |
| 16:53.06 | TomasCZ | or use some liveCD/systemrescueCD |
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| 16:54.04 | somiaj | Enchie: by default both are close, it would depend what other things you add to the WM to make your custom desktop |
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| 16:54.40 | somiaj | Enchie: in either case I would highly doubt the WM is taking up the resources, but the applications you choose to run along side of it (such as system monintors, docs, etc) |
| 16:54.49 | somiaj | Enchie: but you can always install both and check (: |
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| 16:55.18 | Enchie | somiaj, just deciding cause i have to install a GUI on my server :( |
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| 16:56.27 | TomasCZ | I like fluxbox because of customization. However I know that with some effort I could do same in other WM, usualy those like gnome/kde have more simplification for user(multiple screens, plug - in flash etc on click). |
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| 16:56.43 | somiaj | Enchie: why do you need a gui? There are some even lighter weight ones, ratpoison come to mind or or if you need a full desktop cde is now open source |
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| 16:57.08 | TomasCZ | Enchie, for server, I would not use any GUI. If needed for something fluxbox can do the job as any other more memory heavy. |
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| 16:57.58 | somiaj | Enchie: twm is also very light weight and simple (one of the original wm's) |
| 16:58.10 | Enchie | I have to cause ima use my server as a HTPC aswell :) so i need X |
| 16:58.36 | somiaj | but there are many light weight wm's out there, so at that level it depends on what you want/like |
| 16:58.41 | mumpitze1 | does your server actually have a TV connected? |
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| 16:59.06 | Enchie | yeah via vga |
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| 16:59.38 | fenhir | i still need some help with cups. i have an working driver with which i can print correctly with a supplied command oin a console. i have used the supplied foomatic-driver with cups... installed nicely... i just cant print in cups. may someone help me to narrow down, where the error is? |
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| 16:59.57 | Enchie | Is ther anyway to avoid a GUI but still stream media via XBMC to my tv? |
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| 17:01.58 | mumpitze1 | Enchie: you need xbmc then. |
| 17:02.14 | mumpitze1 | sorry, an xserver |
| 17:02.46 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: have you connected to localhost:631 yet? |
| 17:02.54 | fenhir | mumpitze1: yes |
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| 17:03.12 | fenhir | mumpitze1: i have installed the printer this way |
| 17:03.28 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: and set up a printer queue? |
| 17:03.33 | fenhir | yes |
| 17:03.36 | fenhir | works |
| 17:03.46 | fenhir | jobs are in queue then |
| 17:04.02 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch05s07.html |
| 17:04.06 | fenhir | if i stop the printer, the queue is filled with jobs |
| 17:04.28 | fenhir | if i start the printer then in cups... jobs are worked down correctly |
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| 17:04.44 | fenhir | no error |
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| 17:04.53 | fenhir | just no print ;-( |
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| 17:08.15 | fenhir | i have leveled the log to "debug"... see no errors there |
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| 17:09.10 | fenhir | the only thing i see is in /var/log/messages... when i start a job in cups it comes: |
| 17:09.13 | fenhir | usblp1: removed |
| 17:09.36 | fenhir | and right after it: |
| 17:09.38 | fenhir | usblp1: USB Bidirectional printer dev 11 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x043D pid 0x006D |
| 17:10.19 | fenhir | and this doesnt happen, when i print with the command |
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| 17:14.20 | mechanicalduck | Hi |
| 17:14.26 | mechanicalduck | Is the netboot available as plain iso, too? |
| 17:14.44 | mechanicalduck | What differentiates the netboot contents from the mini/businesscard iso? do both contain the same set of packages? |
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| 17:15.12 | Seryth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.18 | Seryth | woops, wrong channel. |
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| 17:16.23 | neon | y |
| 17:18.03 | mechanicalduck | anyone? |
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| 17:20.39 | fenhir | oh... i have to say.. the command i use to print is not using cups at all. it is: |
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| 17:20.51 | fenhir | ./x125_cmyk_print.sh a4 600 /dev/usb/lp1 k 1 < testpage.ps |
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| 17:21.53 | mumpitze1 | mechanicalduck: businesscard needs to download stuff even to install debian. netinst gets you a very very basic debian on its own. 700MB and bigger ISOs get you debian with a desktop |
| 17:22.13 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: I want the most minimal debian installer possible |
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| 17:22.32 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: because all needed stuff is downloaded from an APT-proxy and a HTTP-proxy |
| 17:22.40 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: create a raw queue (no PS or anything). let your custom x125 app output to a file and then feed that file to the raw print queue |
| 17:22.53 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: when a package is upgraded, its new version would be available to baremetal installer, too |
| 17:22.59 | mumpitze1 | mechanicalduck: use netinst |
| 17:23.04 | fenhir | mumpitze1: that would have been my next question/workaround |
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| 17:23.27 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: so netinst contains the same set of packages (apt) as the netboot-package? |
| 17:23.32 | mechanicalduck | I mean the thing with pxe |
| 17:23.39 | mechanicalduck | I need an iso (using packer tool (packer.io)) |
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| 17:24.05 | fenhir | mumpitze1: oh, no wait... i mean it the other way... install a "virtual printer" in cups, which feeds my command with a .ps |
| 17:24.34 | mumpitze1 | I doubt your command deals with any PS |
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| 17:24.43 | fenhir | it doues |
| 17:24.46 | fenhir | does |
| 17:24.53 | fenhir | as you see, i feed it with a .ps |
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| 17:27.29 | fenhir | and btw.. this should have been done with the supplied foomatic-xml-files, which produce the .ppd... they should feedx125_cmyk_print.sh, too |
| 17:27.51 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: so netinst contains the same set of packages (apt) as the netboot-package? |
| 17:28.18 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: there is a netinst iso and a plain directory structure for pxe boot. Do both contain the same set of packages / data? |
| 17:28.31 | fenhir | oh wait.. looking in the .ppd in /etc/cups/ppd/ |
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| 17:28.35 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: basically I only want the installer so it is able to download everything required over the proxy |
| 17:28.44 | g105b | How can I force users to run my shell script as root? |
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| 17:29.06 | Akuw | hi |
| 17:29.25 | musca | wheezy doesn't come with businesscard images anymore? |
| 17:29.25 | mechanicalduck | anyone? :( |
| 17:29.27 | Akuw | i want to delete file in a directory in balckberry phone but tell me is read only |
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| 17:29.37 | Akuw | is the only dir that tell me that |
| 17:29.54 | Akuw | can't change permission using chmod |
| 17:30.00 | tgs3 | Akuw: you connected bbery to debian with usb as mass storage? perhaps this is the bbery system disabling that. or try as root |
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| 17:30.22 | fenhir | in the .ppd the command is: *FoomaticRIPCommandLine: "%Dx125_cmyk_print.sh $size %C %A %B %E" |
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| 17:30.25 | Akuw | i am root |
| 17:31.00 | katla | I can turn off the beep with xset -b, but I have to do it every time I turn on my computer: Is there a way to make it happen every time ? |
| 17:31.07 | jiohdi | akw can that directory be firmware? |
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| 17:31.24 | mechanicalduck | the guy with skript run as root question: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/shell-root-user-check-script.html |
| 17:32.05 | mumpitze1 | mechanicalduck: please look at the sizes of the various isos and assorted debian installer files. then answer it yourself if they all contain the same amount of bits... |
| 17:32.25 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: maybe they contain auxiliary files, too? |
| 17:32.30 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: ok, so I compare them |
| 17:32.48 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: is there some kind of debian installer core part without any packages, just the installer + networking |
| 17:32.55 | mumpitze1 | the debian installer is the same across all install media. the files that get installed are all the exact same ones too. |
| 17:33.06 | mumpitze1 | yes there is: netinst |
| 17:34.10 | jiohdi | there used to be business card debian |
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| 17:34.51 | jiohdi | small enough to fit on one of those mini-cds |
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| 17:36.05 | mechanicalduck | netinst, good |
| 17:36.20 | mechanicalduck | yes, is netinst < or > businesscard? |
| 17:36.32 | mumpitze1 | jiohdi: not anymore |
| 17:36.45 | mumpitze1 | there is no wheezy business card installer |
| 17:37.15 | mechanicalduck | ah this is fine, this reduces the pain of choice |
| 17:37.24 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: so there is the netinst left and this I should use, right? |
| 17:37.42 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 17:37.58 | johnfg | I'm running gnome classic on wheezy. |
| 17:38.06 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: but 200MB (amd64) is still a little bit much, isn't it? |
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| 17:38.28 | rug | j weechat |
| 17:38.32 | rug | ack sorry |
| 17:38.36 | johnfg | I inadvertently put a program icon I don't want at the top. How can I get rid of it? |
| 17:38.40 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: so netinst contains only the boot, installer, apt stuff, right? the packages are all downloaded during the setup, right? |
| 17:39.54 | johnfg | Right-clicking on it does nothing. |
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| 17:40.53 | Akuw | nothing |
| 17:41.02 | Akuw | i am how root and can't delete |
| 17:41.17 | tgs3 | Akuw: maybe the blackbery OS blocks this operation |
| 17:41.32 | Akuw | bb suck |
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| 17:42.23 | mumpitze1 | yes, it creates a small basic debian |
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| 17:45.38 | fenhir | argh... the cups-error_log tells: PATH=/usr/lib/cups/filter:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin" |
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| 17:46.14 | fenhir | which may be a problem if 125_cmyk_print.sh is in /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 17:50.20 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: you can remove the %D and put the full path there |
| 17:52.03 | fenhir | that may help, yes |
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| 17:52.27 | mechanicalduck | mumpitze1: so netinst contains only the boot, installer, apt stuff, right? the packages are all downloaded during the setup, right? |
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| 17:54.33 | katla | I can turn off the beep with xset -b, but I have to do it every time I turn on my computer: Is there a way to make it happen every time? |
| 17:56.24 | zinx | katla: what desktop environment are you using? most of them have a setting for that, i think |
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| 17:56.32 | katla | xfce |
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| 18:03.26 | rdz | is there some faster way to destroy data on disk than fully zero-ing the whole block device? is there a way to "spray" so that only fragments stay intact? |
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| 18:04.30 | hiyo | rdz: wait you just want to say delete a file securely? |
| 18:04.38 | mechanicalduck | rdz: what do you want? wipe data? |
| 18:05.14 | rdz | mechanicalduck, yes, wipe all data |
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| 18:05.46 | rdz | hiyo, actually, i want to wipe all data, but not destroy the hardware |
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| 18:06.01 | hiyo | rdz: well if you want tto wipe everything but still want to leave bits and pieces intact, that's not wiping everything |
| 18:06.04 | rdz | dd'ing zeros on it is just so time consuming |
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| 18:06.25 | hiyo | rdz: have you heard of DBAN? |
| 18:06.42 | rdz | hiyo, i don't _want_ to keep fragments intact, but i can live with it if there is a faster process |
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| 18:06.54 | rdz | no, i'll check |
| 18:07.43 | hiyo | rdz: I don't know the length it takes to do it's job but I know that there are a couple "fast" options on it |
| 18:08.12 | mumpitze1 | rdz: there might be a SATA secure erase command via hdparm. but usually not with hdds. you MUST overwrite everything once which usually takes ~2h |
| 18:08.28 | rdz | probably faster than dd on whole device, assuming it only overwrites what is necessarya |
| 18:08.31 | mumpitze1 | rdz: if you use dd, you need to set a high blocksize however or it will be very very slow |
| 18:08.37 | mumpitze1 | rdz: it's not |
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| 18:09.02 | mumpitze1 | it's usually much slower since it overwrites everything at least 3 times |
| 18:09.07 | rdz | mumpitze1, i use bs=1M, it saturates the USB 2.0 link |
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| 18:09.23 | Enchie | While trying to generate a conf file for Xorg with "# Xorg -configure" i get and error saying "Number or created screens does not mach number of detected devices" Is it because my PC has two gfx cards? |
| 18:09.23 | rdz | aha |
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| 18:09.46 | mumpitze1 | rdz: USB2? then your usb link is the bottleneck. |
| 18:09.51 | mumpitze1 | even with USB3 is usually is |
| 18:10.07 | rdz | really? modern disks are faster than USB3 ? |
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| 18:10.12 | mumpitze1 | Enchie: why do you think you need a config files for xorg? |
| 18:10.34 | mumpitze1 | a modern disk can sustain 150MB/s. usb3 depending on chipset around 100MB/s |
| 18:10.53 | Enchie | setting up fluxbox on a minimal install |
| 18:11.06 | mumpitze1 | Enchie: you don't need a xorg.conf file normally |
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| 18:11.38 | Mika56 | Hi, may someone help me with xen? I do have three DomU working for a month, a without any change, one of them lost networking |
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| 18:11.51 | Enchie | so do i just run # sudo apt-get install xorg fluxbox then reboot and im up? |
| 18:12.24 | mumpitze1 | Enchie: not "up". you'd have to log in and run "startx". if you want to boot to a graphical login prompt, install something like lightdm |
| 18:13.17 | Enchie | yeah yeah i meant it's all installed and ready to go :) thanks man |
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| 18:44.28 | AndreeeCZ | hi |
| 18:44.34 | AndreeeCZ | wat does apt-get -f install mean? |
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| 18:44.49 | AndreeeCZ | (i dont have debian, just helping out an ubuntu user) |
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| 18:45.59 | katla | i think the -f means dont follow dependencies |
| 18:46.17 | katla | oh no it's --fix-broken |
| 18:46.28 | AndreeeCZ | ok thx |
| 18:46.29 | katla | "attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place." |
| 18:46.42 | AndreeeCZ | thank you |
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| 18:56.31 | xand | AndreeeCZ: you should ask #ubuntu in case it does something different there. |
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| 18:57.16 | AndreeeCZ | xan, ok i will next time |
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| 18:57.48 | gss | I've just migrated from one HD to another, and moved root from a normal partition to an LVM partition. I'm using LILO as my bootloader. When I boot, initramfs comes up telling me it can't find root by UUID. I can manually "lvm vgchange -a y" and get it to boot, but I need help figuring out what to put in my append= line to get lvm to start automatically. Is lvmwait=20 enough? What do I need? |
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| 19:05.45 | peterrooney | wonders if lilo ever had LVM support |
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| 19:06.03 | fenhir | mumpitze1: yea, i have the Lexmark X125 working with cups... this was a birth of a stone ^^ |
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| 19:06.47 | gss | peterrooney: It does, but that's irrelevant. The issue is getting the boot process (i.e. the stuff on the ramdisk) to spin up LVM automatically. |
| 19:07.14 | mumpitze1 | gss: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel |
| 19:07.15 | gss | peterrooney: I'm hoping there's a kernel argument I can give in LILO's append= |
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| 19:07.29 | gss | mumpitze1: Yeah? Okay, I'll try that. |
| 19:07.32 | mumpitze1 | that should recreate your initrd. I dunno about lvm, but maybe run blkid |
| 19:08.06 | fenhir | i had to patch the driver with 3 patches. it still had an error. the colour-mode is delivered 2 times from cups. now i hardcoded black in the printing-script |
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| 19:08.25 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: what printer is this? |
| 19:08.38 | fenhir | mumpitze1: Lexmark X125 |
| 19:08.47 | mumpitze1 | ah, lexmark :P |
| 19:08.55 | fenhir | 10 years old... nearly no linux-support |
| 19:09.30 | fenhir | 3 days of error-searching |
| 19:09.39 | mumpitze1 | doesn't want to know what the ink costs for this thing |
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| 19:10.09 | gss | mumpitze1: Well, it recreated my ramdisks. Time to reboot to test it, but I'll be back if it didn't work. |
| 19:10.12 | fenhir | for this working-time i could have buyed a new HP with linux-support ^^ |
| 19:10.36 | fenhir | mumpitze1: its ok... there are cartridges not from leymark, which work fine |
| 19:10.52 | fenhir | good refillable |
| 19:11.17 | mumpitze1 | yes, printers that old didn't have chips in cartridges yet |
| 19:11.30 | fenhir | and the printing-head is in the cardridge... thats why it still work after 10 years |
| 19:12.45 | fenhir | i have a brother, too with seperate colour-cartridges... but the head is deep in the printer... until now i had found no way to change the head |
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| 19:14.30 | fenhir | i could fix this with the coulour mode... but now... first i am happy to have it printing :-) |
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| 19:15.00 | fenhir | the colour mode is delivered like this: Starting renderer with command: "size=a4; x125_cmyk_print.sh $size 600 /dev/usb/lp0 cmykcmyk 1" |
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| 19:15.15 | pierpopolo | hi |
| 19:15.35 | fenhir | the problem is this "cmykcmyk" it just have to be "cmyk" |
| 19:16.11 | fenhir | or for black: instead of "kk" should be only "k" |
| 19:16.41 | fenhir | so i would need something which uses that variable and cut it in half |
| 19:16.54 | fenhir | dont know how to do it |
| 19:17.09 | fenhir | or a few if/thens |
| 19:17.38 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: write your own script then which does it |
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| 19:18.07 | fenhir | if $4=cmykcmyk then $4=cmyk... if $4=kk then $4=k |
| 19:18.27 | fenhir | ugly.. but should work |
| 19:18.42 | katla | where should I put an xset command so that I don't have to run it myself every time I start my computer? |
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| 19:19.58 | icedtea | katla: what does this command do? |
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| 19:20.11 | katla | xset -b, it turns off the horrible bell noise |
| 19:20.21 | katla | i'd rather change it to a different sound but that doens't seem possible |
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| 19:20.49 | icedtea | katla: I would put it in .profile |
| 19:20.54 | katla | thanks |
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| 19:21.40 | mumpitze1 | katla: run xfce4-session-settings |
| 19:21.51 | mumpitze1 | icedtea: does xset run without X? |
| 19:22.28 | mumpitze1 | katla: xset needs X to run, it won't work in .profile |
| 19:22.36 | katla | oh I see, thanks |
| 19:22.54 | katla | so I'll try it in application autostart |
| 19:23.15 | fenhir | isnt there something like .xprofile? |
| 19:23.19 | fenhir | .xsexxion or such |
| 19:23.26 | fenhir | .xsession |
| 19:23.42 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: not for this case. xfce4-session-settings is made for it |
| 19:23.49 | fenhir | ok |
| 19:24.09 | fenhir | but would be independend of gui |
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| 19:24.23 | mumpitze1 | true |
| 19:24.24 | fenhir | i mean of xfce/kde/gnome |
| 19:25.23 | fenhir | but is it .xsession? |
| 19:25.45 | fenhir | and when yes: is it scriptable like a bash-script? i would need this, too |
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| 19:27.04 | fenhir | for example: i like to use xgamma to adjust gamma dependend of time of day... and this should be independend of when i am using gnome or openbox |
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| 19:27.17 | mumpitze1 | yes it is. so is .xinitrc but you usually have to put the WM you run in there then |
| 19:27.28 | gss | mumpitze1: No dice. LVM still didn't start automatically. |
| 19:27.53 | fenhir | mumpitze1: ah ok. .xinitrc. thanks |
| 19:28.26 | gss | mumpitze1: Any other suggestions? |
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| 19:31.12 | fenhir | wow, i am so happy to have my printer printing... i was SOOO near to give it up yesterday... and then today. :-) |
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| 19:34.14 | jordemort | fenhir: i'm shocked, it sounded grim yesterday |
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| 19:34.44 | fenhir | jordemort: *g* |
| 19:35.11 | jordemort | printers are the devil |
| 19:35.28 | jordemort | i think the CUPS developers must be the kind of people that like pain |
| 19:35.41 | fenhir | yea |
| 19:35.46 | jordemort | like, hellraiser level pain |
| 19:36.03 | fenhir | the learning-curve was low... but i learnt a few things about cups now |
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| 19:36.20 | fenhir | and froomatic |
| 19:36.28 | fenhir | and .ppd |
| 19:36.50 | fenhir | and patching drivers ^^ |
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| 19:37.25 | fenhir | which are 5 years old and made for systems like suse 9.1 ^^ |
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| 19:41.16 | jordemort | eee |
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| 19:48.02 | peterrooney | printers pushed me to the rum. |
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| 19:49.45 | pierpopolo | hi |
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| 19:50.58 | gnuweb | hello. trying to get my thinkpad center button to scroll with the trackpoint |
| 19:51.00 | gnuweb | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint: After installing the gpointing-device-settings package, a new "Pointing devices" option appears in the GNOME settings menu. Select "TrackPoint" and check "Use wheel emulation", select "button: 2", and check "Enable vertical scroll" and "Enable horizontal scroll". |
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| 19:51.15 | gnuweb | I don't understand what "GNOME settings menu" means there. |
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| 19:52.25 | mumpitze1 | there is a menu in gnome where you can change keyboard, mouse, bluetooth, etc stuff? |
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| 19:53.45 | gnuweb | yeah what is that? system settings? |
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| 19:54.46 | mumpitze1 | I don't know how it's called. its where it should be |
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| 19:55.18 | mumpitze1 | gnuweb: which debian version are you running? |
| 19:55.30 | mdsrv | has anyone used rasbian? |
| 19:55.36 | mumpitze1 | !raspbian |
| 19:55.37 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 19:55.38 | gnuweb | im not sure if the right answer is wheezy or tesitng |
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| 19:56.03 | mumpitze1 | gnuweb: then what you read in the wiki is not for you. read more carefully for wheezy which has its own section on that page |
| 19:56.09 | mumpitze1 | wheezy is debian stable btw |
| 19:56.45 | gnuweb | oh awesome mumpitzel thanks |
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| 19:58.05 | gnuweb | mumpitzel is it safe to use testing sources |
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| 19:58.35 | mumpitze1 | safe for what? |
| 19:58.56 | gnuweb | is it stable |
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| 20:02.02 | Alek | I need to download Wheezy for i386 via Jigdo and I can;t |
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| 20:03.40 | regular | I need to compile ISO images for Debian Wheezy via jigdo |
| 20:03.56 | regular | i386 version |
| 20:04.26 | regular | each time I do I get the bad checksum message and jigdo quits with error code 3 |
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| 20:06.34 | regular | is it my fault or is it a bug? |
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| 20:13.34 | elkingrey | Does anybody know of any textbooks that will turn a person into a debian/linux sysadmin master? I've been using linux for 4 years, but would still like a textbook that doesn't assume a bunch of prior knowledge. Any recommendations? |
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| 20:14.47 | msn | anyone used OCZ Revodrive 3 the OS detects it but as 4 drives not |
| 20:14.49 | msn | anyone used OCZ Revodrive 3 the OS detects it but as 4 drives not 1 |
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| 20:30.15 | ragedragon | Hello the room, does one of you compiled mlt-0.9 with ffmpeg-2.0 ? |
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| 20:30.45 | ragedragon | i get this error when i'm trying to build mlt using an external build: http://pastebin.com/ZvQ5Ft0E |
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| 20:36.33 | peterS | hmmmm, never really ran into this before ... how to tell from a shell script whether /dev/tty is available? Best I can come up with is (exec 2>/dev/null; exec </dev/tty; [ -t 1 ]) |
| 20:37.10 | peterS | but, given it involves 3 syscalls (fork, close, open), it seems kinda gross |
| 20:37.26 | peterS | errr, not fork close open but fork open open. still. |
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| 20:43.24 | peterS | ah well, it probably is the best I can do. except that of course I meant [ -t 0 ] rather than [ -t 1 ] |
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| 20:44.51 | peterS | oh, huh, brainfart. Don't need the [ -t ] at all, the exec </dev/tty will return the appropriate true or false value already |
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| 21:44.56 | alessio | Hello |
| 21:45.25 | alessio | !list |
| 21:45.25 | dpkg | alessio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 21:45.45 | Tekk_ | anyone been noticing that on sid, processer aren't dying? |
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| 21:46.10 | Tekk_ | like, I have about 20 urxvt processes running |
| 21:46.25 | Tekk_ | with a grand total of 3 urxvt instances actually available |
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| 21:46.44 | tiss | hello |
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| 21:46.55 | Tekk_ | bunch of mpd instances too. so not something specific to X clients |
| 21:47.02 | tiss | What usb wifi dongle would you people suggest for linux compatibility? |
| 21:47.12 | Tekk_ | tiss: something atheros |
| 21:47.17 | tiss | i'm kinda cornered here |
| 21:47.24 | dvs | Tekk_: not anymore |
| 21:47.32 | tiss | expresscard wifi products cost like over 100 euros |
| 21:47.42 | dvs | My D-link DWA-140 works well. |
| 21:47.43 | Tekk_ | dvs: really? that's annoying |
| 21:47.45 | tiss | and the m-pcie adapter inside the laptop is bent broken |
| 21:47.57 | tiss | thats what you get for buying second hand i guess |
| 21:48.10 | dvs | Tekk_: Ever since Qualcomm bought them out, it's back to proprietary. |
| 21:49.09 | tiss | dvs: how well exactly? |
| 21:49.12 | peterrooney | Tekk_: I'd look into screen or tmux |
| 21:49.14 | tiss | what's the range for example |
| 21:49.27 | tiss | and it promises 300mbps speed, how's it in real life |
| 21:49.57 | dvs | tiss: I'm not sure about the range but it didn't produce any comm errors from the drivers in the kernel. |
| 21:50.05 | tiss | alright |
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| 21:53.02 | Tekk_ | peterrooney: I'm aware of them |
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| 21:56.47 | tiss | what about DWA-121 |
| 21:56.52 | tiss | since its very small and compact |
| 21:57.03 | tiss | anything that sticks out a lot from a laptop is a toll on the mobility :/ |
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| 22:03.42 | stoffLer | hi guys. i've still some problems how to realize shares for different pcs/macs in a network with different creditinals. is there a nice tuto helping me to understand better? |
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| 22:04.34 | Tekk_ | peterrooney: but that doesn't help the underlying problem much :P |
| 22:05.06 | stoffLer | than tell me how we solve it ;) |
| 22:05.21 | fenhir | ok, since my printer works now... i would like to print some things ^^ |
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| 22:05.54 | fenhir | for example a crypted .gpg-file with my keys in it |
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| 22:06.25 | Tekk_ | fenhir: that won't look very pretty when you print it |
| 22:06.30 | fenhir | i could export it as pgp-ascii-armor or how it is called |
| 22:06.40 | Tekk_ | yes, but why are you printing your keys? |
| 22:06.49 | fenhir | Tekk_: yes... wait.. i have an idea |
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| 22:07.06 | fenhir | Tekk_: fallback for worst-case-szenarios |
| 22:07.33 | fenhir | and they are encrypted then... so not that hole |
| 22:07.44 | Tekk_ | fenhir: uhh |
| 22:07.49 | Tekk_ | that's not how encryption works |
| 22:07.50 | fenhir | but ascii-armor is not that good, too |
| 22:08.06 | fenhir | Tekk_: please... i know what i do |
| 22:08.08 | Tekk_ | in your worst case scenario, you lost your private keys |
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| 22:08.25 | Tekk_ | so...how are you retrieving the keys that are encrypted for you? |
| 22:08.38 | Tekk_ | or are you saying to keep them in plain text? |
| 22:08.47 | Tekk_ | which is inadvisable |
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| 22:09.00 | fenhir | i would like something, which prints with checksums for OCR then |
| 22:09.07 | minsa | will my cabal install interfere with debian's apts ? |
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| 22:09.44 | fenhir | Tekk_: no, not in plain-text... but enkrypted with a password, i could remember |
| 22:10.03 | fenhir | but that has nothing to do with what i want now |
| 22:10.41 | Tekk_ | you could godo a gpg listkeys and pipe it to lp |
| 22:10.41 | Tekk_ | theoretically |
| 22:10.42 | fenhir | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.47 | Tekk_ | leats I assume that lp will read on stdin |
| 22:11.02 | cafuego | `lpr' does |
| 22:11.09 | cafuego | ls | lpr |
| 22:11.11 | mumpitze1 | fenhir: bar codes. 1d or 2d |
| 22:11.12 | Tekk_ | fenhir: be careful about your settings on ocr |
| 22:11.16 | fenhir | Tekk_: please... forget that it is a file with keys |
| 22:11.25 | mumpitze1 | very easy to OCR, integrated checksum. |
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| 22:11.48 | Tekk_ | there's a compression used in printers that can mess up |
| 22:11.54 | fenhir | mumpitze1: something in that way, yes... QR-picture maybe |
| 22:11.56 | Tekk_ | turn 6s into 8s, for example |
| 22:12.01 | fenhir | should be fault-tolerant a bit |
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| 22:13.49 | mumpitze1 | if you make it a big 2D barcode picture it's very fault tolerant |
| 22:13.50 | fenhir | i have seen something like that as a windows-programm... it prints a picture like a QR-code... with something like a parity-information.. so that 1/3 of that picture can be lost and the file could still be retrieved from the picture |
| 22:14.31 | Tekk_ | you may need to be pretty big, depending on your number and size of keys |
| 22:14.40 | fenhir | yes |
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| 22:14.55 | fenhir | could be more pages |
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| 22:16.21 | fenhir | so: do you know of something like that for linux? |
| 22:18.08 | fenhir | it brings one more problem, as i need another program, that interprets the picture through OCR then... so if i want the file back, i need that programm.. thinking 10 years in the future... this may become a problem |
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| 22:18.30 | fenhir | but i can print in asci-armor then, too... which only need gpg then |
| 22:18.44 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, i have problem with the RAID1 on my server after one of the disk crash for a week ago. I have get it to rebuild 3 of 4 raids, but the last have give me some problems. /proc/mdstat tell me "md3 : active raid1 sdb4[1] sda4[2](S) 1822442815 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U]". How can i get him to remove the (s) and sync the disks? |
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| 22:19.45 | fenhir | so it should only be a fallback, when the asci-armor-print is not readable anymore |
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| 22:21.13 | johnfg | I've got a problem. phpldapadmin runs fine on squeeze, but I get an error trying to connect to it on wheezy. The configs look fine. Any ideas? |
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| 22:25.31 | fenhir | Tekk_> turn 6s into 8s, for example <- and thats why i want something like QR-code with checksums |
| 22:26.08 | fenhir | and parity-information if that goes wrong, too |
| 22:27.05 | fenhir | something like that should be much more fault-tolerant for OCR than simple text |
| 22:28.11 | fenhir | unfortunately simple text could be entered by hand, if OCR fails... a QR-code would have to be drawed ;-) |
| 22:28.34 | Tekk_ | fenhir: eh. get some square stamps |
| 22:28.38 | Tekk_ | then just stamp it out |
| 22:28.56 | fenhir | hm? what is that? |
| 22:29.03 | Tekk_ | fenhir: a rubber stamp? |
| 22:29.19 | fenhir | i dont understand |
| 22:29.30 | Tekk_ | nothing important. it wasn't a serious suggestion |
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| 22:31.50 | fenhir | if it doesent exist.. it could be named "RAID5 for printed information" ;-) |
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| 22:32.24 | Tekk_ | raid for information printing |
| 22:32.29 | Tekk_ | there aren't enough RIP acronyms :) |
| 22:32.48 | fenhir | information has to be devided in >3 parts... each part stored in reallife somewhere else... so one part can be lost |
| 22:33.41 | fenhir | lol.. one could print it 3 times and store it on 3 places then... but hey... that would be too normal ;-) |
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| 22:37.25 | fenhir | hm... could e made with rar... this has parity... so one piece of archives can be lost |
| 22:37.51 | fenhir | but that still dont give me fault-tolerace in QR-code-scanning |
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| 22:38.40 | fenhir | how would you solve that? |
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| 22:39.21 | cafuego | QR codes supposedly involve fault tolerance already |
| 22:40.26 | hide | Hello. Does anyone have a good how-to on setting up a mysql-cluster "the Debian way"? I mean with .deb packages not compilation, etc.. |
| 22:40.57 | mechanicalduck | hi |
| 22:41.13 | mechanicalduck | With which tool I can calculate the SHA256 hash of a given file? |
| 22:41.18 | mechanicalduck | *can I |
| 22:41.58 | johnfg | Any known problems with phpldapadmin on wheezy? I've googled and got some, but nothing to solve my problem. |
| 22:42.29 | fenhir | cafuego: really? ok, maybe thats why they are so good to be recogniced with my mobile then |
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| 22:43.05 | johnfg | slapd and all are working fine, and I use openldap for storing my login info, but no go with phpldapadmin. |
| 22:43.15 | mechanicalduck | Do all ignore me? :( |
| 22:43.18 | mechanicalduck | What did I do wrong? |
| 22:43.39 | cthuluh | just be more patient... |
| 22:43.47 | cthuluh | -> openssl dgst -sha256 |
| 22:44.11 | Tekk_ | sha256sum? :P |
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| 22:44.32 | mechanicalduck | yes |
| 22:44.42 | Tekk_ | no, I mean sha256sum is a command |
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| 22:45.02 | cthuluh | ... that I wasn't aware of |
| 22:45.04 | Tekk_ | cthuluh's suggestion would also work, I imagine |
| 22:45.21 | Tekk_ | cthuluh: yep, there's a whole family of them |
| 22:45.22 | cthuluh | I tend to stick to executables with a stable name ;) |
| 22:45.30 | Tekk_ | md5sum, sha1sum, sha256sum... |
| 22:46.08 | Tekk_ | cthuluh: they're in every distro I can recall. I think they're in openbsd as well |
| 22:46.17 | Tekk_ | but I may be wrong on the latter. I didn't do too much hashing over there :P |
| 22:46.45 | cthuluh | you were wrong ;) |
| 22:46.57 | Tekk_ | ah, sorry |
| 22:47.02 | Tekk_ | like I said, I don't do much hashing |
| 22:48.23 | cthuluh | hmm, it's not your favorite hobby, really? :) |
| 22:48.31 | Tekk_ | afraid not |
| 22:48.49 | Tekk_ | good to remember that I can use openssl for that if I'm ever on openbsd though |
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| 22:52.01 | SpatulaSalad | Does anyone have a postfix+dovecot+postfixadmin guide they can recommend? I've tried a few now and they're just not working. Using wheezy. |
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| 22:54.34 | woshty | what is the current way to get a working iceweasel or firefox in wheezy? |
| 22:54.44 | Tekk_ | woshty: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 22:54.45 | Tekk_ | well |
| 22:54.46 | Tekk_ | aptitude |
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| 22:54.54 | dvs | !tell woshty about mdn |
| 22:55.24 | woshty | Tekk_: that gives you something roughly able to display a webpage using about 10gigs of ram. |
| 22:55.27 | un214 | !mdn |
| 22:55.27 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
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| 22:56.26 | woshty | un214: thx .. ah, I still have experimental set :) |
| 22:56.47 | dvs | woshty: you dont need it for wheezy |
| 22:57.54 | woshty | dvs: thx .. why not? |
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| 22:58.28 | dvs | woshty: mozilla.debian.net has the latest iceweasel. |
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| 23:04.21 | woshty | dvs: ah, yes, got that, thought you meant I should only use the basic repos. |
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| 23:30.04 | mechanicalduck | OK, there is the netinst.iso for Debian Wheezy amd64... |
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| 23:30.14 | mechanicalduck | How can I let it load a preseed file over http? |
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| 23:30.28 | mechanicalduck | I don't want to change the iso, how can I tell it the installer then? |
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| 23:33.17 | Achylles | Why is compiz in sid and when I add that in my sources.list it dos not appear in synaptic? |
| 23:33.34 | Achylles | I am using jessie and I want to install it |
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| 23:36.11 | Achylles | I am confused (???!!!) |
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| 23:40.41 | bai11 | How do I update xfce on Stable from 4.8 to 4.10? Is it possible without installing from source? |
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| 23:45.09 | somiaj | ,v xfce |
| 23:45.10 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 23:45.12 | somiaj | ,v xfce4 |
| 23:45.13 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 23:45.57 | somiaj | bai11: you will want to make a backport (which means compiling from source). If everything works nicely this can be automated with apt and create a .deb package to install at the end so you can still use dpkg to manage it |
| 23:46.03 | somiaj | ,check-bakcport xfce4 |
| 23:46.12 | somiaj | ,check-backport xfce4 |
| 23:46.13 | judd | Backporting package xfce4 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 23:46.16 | somiaj | !tell bai11 about ssbp |
| 23:47.03 | somiaj | bai11: Check those instructions, do you think you can follow them. |
| 23:48.40 | bai11 | somiaj: I think I understand the concept, but not necessarily the steps to take |
| 23:48.47 | mechanicalduck | I hit two types escape-key when in installation menu. The boot prompt appears. Now I want to boot debian with preseed |
| 23:48.51 | somiaj | that factoid gave you step by step instructions bai11 |
| 23:48.52 | mechanicalduck | *two times |
| 23:49.01 | mechanicalduck | what do I have to type into the boot prompt? |
| 23:49.19 | somiaj | bai11: just skip step 2, steps 1 then 3 should create the .debs for you |
| 23:49.30 | bai11 | somiaj: I see it, I'll try it |
| 23:50.48 | stoffLer | i have a shared folder and 2 users. i want to give different access rights via network share to them. how i can handle it? |
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| 23:51.14 | stoffLer | already tried chmod and chown. but think if done something wrong |
| 23:51.58 | somiaj | mechanicalduck: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed -- also the install guide should have detailed instructions on what to do (since i have not used a preseed myself I do not know the way off the top of my head) |
| 23:52.41 | somiaj | stoffLer: what do you mean by 'share'. Are you wanting to share to different users on the same system or do you want to set up some network sharing protocol, and if so what kinda other oses do you want to share with? |
| 23:53.09 | ZIPY | probably samba |
| 23:53.38 | somiaj | chmod/chown are for the local (system) primissions on the directory/files. Samba, nfs, are examples of network sharing protocls. You have to configure the user rights with those (not with chown/chmod) |
| 23:54.06 | stoffLer | i use netatalk for mac. |
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| 23:55.10 | stoffLer | problem is that i allow them access. and read is already allowed . but creating file/folders not. so the write access is still not given to the users |
| 23:55.12 | somiaj | what protocol does that use? This is not a mac support channel. (: |
| 23:55.32 | somiaj | again, is this samba? If so you will need to configure the shares/users via samba. |
| 23:55.57 | stoffLer | it is called "netatalk" |
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| 23:56.48 | somiaj | well then configure that dameon correctly. I have no familarty with it unforntally. I'm sure you can find documentation on it though. (: |
| 23:56.59 | somiaj | look in /usr/share/doc/netatalk or the wiki |
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| 23:57.23 | stoffLer | ok. thx anyway |
| 23:58.32 | somiaj | depending on netatalk works you will have to configure the directories to have correct permissions so either netatalk daemon or the users can read/write to the directory |
| 23:59.10 | stoffLer | thats what i asked ;) |
| 23:59.15 | somiaj | http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/AppleVolumes.default.5.html |
| 23:59.18 | stoffLer | so tell me how to do :P |
| 23:59.47 | stoffLer | hep already reading it. thanks! |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | ugh, netatalk |
| 23:59.58 | stoffLer | not that good? |