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| 00:00.41 | Vasistha | Twinkletoes: once you decide on a good mirror and put it in your sources.list, you need to run apt-get update |
| 00:01.05 | Twinkletoes | Vasistha: runnign now |
| 00:01.20 | Pudge | Twinkletoes: the differences exist but u can just ignore them for right now |
| 00:01.42 | Vasistha | Twinkletoes: difference between aptitude and apt-get? Not much, they are now using the same back-end. When aptitude was first introduced they were different, but not anymore. There may be some slight behavioral differences |
| 00:02.23 | Twinkletoes | Vasistha: Thanks again:) |
| 00:03.09 | Vasistha | Twinkletoes: alright good luck! I am off |
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| 00:03.25 | capox | I am trying 3GB disk size install |
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| 00:03.51 | themill | capox: are you installing all of gnome in there? |
| 00:05.00 | capox | no |
| 00:05.25 | capox | from network install image to headless |
| 00:05.34 | capox | hm, maybe fluxbox later |
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| 00:07.44 | themill | capox: the setup you describe should take a bit under 1GB |
| 00:08.41 | capox | well thats what I thought |
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| 00:09.11 | themill | a 1GB disk allocation doesn't give you much room for your own data though |
| 00:09.31 | themill | (or room to store the downloaded .debs during the installation) |
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| 00:10.19 | capox | ya |
| 00:10.31 | capox | then again, it's not supposed to |
| 00:11.02 | capox | the idea is to have tight focus on a particular service |
| 00:11.15 | capox | and the image only serves to develop that |
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| 00:13.08 | capox | well, now I can actually install grub |
| 00:13.38 | capox | ok and the system boots |
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| 00:14.25 | capox | I upped disk size from 1.06 GB to 3GB and skipped web svr and sql in "software selection" |
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| 00:15.56 | themill | capox: "compilers, lisp, scheme, vim, emacs and git" mean you must have a rather different meaning of "tight focus" to me. |
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| 00:16.28 | capox | well, tight focus as opposed to a desktop that might install arbitrary apt stuff |
| 00:17.21 | capox | thats just basically c + 6 languages + 2 editors + some source |
| 00:17.40 | capox | SSH, too |
| 00:18.02 | Twinkletoes | zykotick9: With wioreless-tools installed and wpa-supplicant, and useing those lines you posted as an example, can't seem to get connected to wireless |
| 00:18.18 | Twinkletoes | zykotick9: iwlist scan listst a lot of networks so something works |
| 00:18.42 | capox | df reports ~970MB disk use on base system |
| 00:18.44 | zykotick9 | Twinkletoes: you did change the foopassword line right? |
| 00:18.52 | Twinkletoes | zykotick9: of course ;) |
| 00:19.32 | zykotick9 | Twinkletoes: ok, just checkin'. sorry, i don't immediately have any suggestions?!?! |
| 00:20.21 | themill | capox: running "apt-get clean" will probably reduce that |
| 00:21.54 | capox | interestingly "sudo" is not installed in base |
| 00:22.05 | themill | sure |
| 00:22.39 | capox | is sudo a liability in some way? |
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| 00:23.56 | themill | insofar as people don't configure it sensibly and have no idea what it does, yes. |
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| 00:26.04 | zykotick9 | "bash: sudo: command not found" ;) |
| 00:26.16 | capox | isn't su-ing more dangerous... |
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| 00:30.55 | capox | Is there something one could remove from the base system for a headless install? (to save disk space) |
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| 00:32.24 | mumpitze1 | look at emdebian. debian for embedded stuff |
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| 00:33.54 | capox | well I'm afraid it will not cater to server platform |
| 00:34.46 | capox | looks like the image is going to have to be at least 4 GB |
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| 00:37.00 | themill | capox: if you don't need a fully MTA you can get rid of exim and replace it with nullmailer/ssmtp/dma etc. If you don't need wget/w3m/cron/at etc you can get rid of them. But at the time where you're talking about compiling things on the box, the size taken by the compile tree is going to be bigger than those savings. |
| 00:37.50 | capox | all those, needed |
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| 00:40.44 | mumpitze1 | a basic debian is still 500MB or so. where do you get the 4GB figure? you cannot shave off a lot of this 500MB and even if you do, it pales against the 4GB figure |
| 00:41.27 | capox | well installing most of the packages makes for 1.7 GB |
| 00:41.52 | capox | I'd imagine tmp might end up with 1GB in some circumstances |
| 00:42.05 | aypea[1] | the only time I've seen a 4gb minimum install is with centos. |
| 00:42.10 | capox | then you need space for the files being manipuled |
| 00:42.13 | aypea[1] | tmp ought to be tmpfs |
| 00:42.25 | aypea[1] | ahh. install+room? :) |
| 00:42.45 | capox | ya I just slapped all of them under one partition |
| 00:43.03 | aypea[1] | for a small install that's the best way to fly. |
| 00:43.21 | mumpitze1 | which packages? a netinst iso is 250MB. there isn't room for 1.7GB of package. and a netinst.iso is exactly that: a small debian without fat |
| 00:43.49 | capox | well I used netinst, 220MB on disk |
| 00:43.52 | aypea[1] | mumpitze: I think capox is talking of a minimal install with enough room left over to be useful |
| 00:44.03 | capox | once finished it used 970MB |
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| 00:45.00 | capox | then installed sudo, scheme, lisp, vim, ruby 1.9, jruby ( + jvm ), lua, build essentials, git |
| 00:45.20 | mumpitze1 | I have a small debian VM (could be squeeze tho). which is made only so I can share my ext4 partition on my disk to the host OS. it's 500MB |
| 00:45.29 | aypea[1] | hahaha. java. thar she blows! |
| 00:45.35 | mumpitze1 | that means it's a netinst + samba server, nothing else. 500MB is enough |
| 00:45.43 | capox | aypea[1]: yup |
| 00:45.52 | mumpitze1 | yes, you installed a ton of shit and wonder why it takes space |
| 00:46.06 | capox | thats the full list |
| 00:46.12 | aypea[1] | capox: for all that+room 4gb is fairly reasonable I think. |
| 00:46.12 | capox | not exactly ton of shit |
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| 00:46.26 | mumpitze1 | sure. you have recommends on and there is a lot of stuff dragged in |
| 00:46.32 | mumpitze1 | it is a ton of shit |
| 00:46.38 | aypea[1] | java alone is scary. build-essentials and ruby, lua and lisp are probably huge too |
| 00:46.49 | capox | heh I wonder if skipping java would make it 1.1 GB |
| 00:46.54 | aypea[1] | :) |
| 00:47.08 | capox | lua and common lisp are tiny |
| 00:48.31 | capox | I think I will use the 4 GB ubs mem |
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| 00:54.42 | capox | is there a way to get a headless debian running in a vbox window to "conform" the terminal dimensions to the vbox window |
| 00:57.48 | petemc_ | do what? |
| 00:58.28 | capox | atm the terminal view of the debian is locked to 72*40 chars (I think) |
| 00:58.38 | capox | no matter what the vbox window size is |
| 00:59.28 | capox | (view = tty) |
| 00:59.35 | themill | I assume you don't mean "headless" then as you have a head on it... |
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| 00:59.42 | themill | (I'd just use ssh to talk to the VM) |
| 01:00.03 | capox | xorgless |
| 01:00.07 | capox | +? |
| 01:00.12 | capox | xless |
| 01:00.20 | capox | whatchamacallit |
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| 01:03.15 | petemc_ | you might want to look at framebuffer, but im not sure how it applies to virtualbox |
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| 01:42.37 | lulzfish4 | I'm trying to create an ext3 filesystem on an LUKS volume stored in a file on an SSHFS share. It gets up to "Creating journal", then my system becomes completely unresponsive. The SSH server seems fine |
| 01:43.31 | lulzfish4 | However if iotop is to be believed, there is no disk activity on the server |
| 01:44.44 | ksk | mhm, besides this should work i dont really thing this is a useful setup^^ |
| 01:44.57 | ksk | s/thing/think |
| 01:46.06 | ksk | do you know encfs? nfs? |
| 01:46.18 | ksk | !tell lulzfish4 about encfs |
| 01:46.40 | ksk | its cool to use via ssh(fs) and for having stuff encrypted on the "storage side" |
| 01:47.06 | lulzfish4 | I thought I would do encryption on the client side since my server doesn't need to know what's in the encrypted volume (not right now anyway) |
| 01:47.42 | ksk | use encfs then :P |
| 01:48.05 | lulzfish4 | Doesn't that encrypt individual files? |
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| 01:48.13 | ksk | it does. |
| 01:48.31 | lulzfish4 | I'd rather use a volume |
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| 01:50.13 | lulzfish4 | Unless I ran encfs on a cleartext ext3 image |
| 01:51.00 | ksk | so you have the bad things of both worlds? better not :> |
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| 01:57.51 | gnuweb | hello I wanted to install owncloud it requires libocsync0 0.80.0 |
| 01:58.30 | ksk | gnuweb: i guess they have a manuel for an install on wheezy in their docs? |
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| 01:59.14 | gnuweb | ksk yes http://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:devel&package=owncloud-client |
| 01:59.17 | gnuweb | but then I get that error |
| 01:59.30 | gnuweb | unmet dependencies because debian only has version 0.7 |
| 01:59.32 | ksk | they have otheres, too |
| 01:59.45 | ksk | ,versions libocsync0 |
| 01:59.46 | judd | Package: libocsync0 on i386 -- jessie: 0.70.7-1; experimental: 0.70.92-1; sid: 0.80.0-1 |
| 02:00.26 | ksk | gnuweb: there are docs saying like "download the zip, unzip it, blablub" - use that |
| 02:00.58 | ksk | i see no way you get an libocsync0 in version 0.80 supported by debian |
| 02:01.31 | ksk | gnuweb: basicly its unzipping, and browsing to that path, rest should be explained |
| 02:01.57 | gnuweb | ok ill give it a try thanks |
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| 02:03.22 | gnuweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.28 | gnuweb | *use sid |
| 02:03.36 | ksk | thats not supported, no |
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| 02:04.05 | ksk | (it might be possible, but its likely gonna break your system if you mix releases, and its not supported in here) |
| 02:07.45 | gnuweb | so ksk you are saying i DL the tar.gz and build it myself? |
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| 02:08.50 | gnuweb | oh I see what u mean |
| 02:09.03 | ksk | its just some php and stuff, no building ;) |
| 02:09.10 | gnuweb | right |
| 02:10.09 | gnuweb | but it would still be a problem actually to use the file sync that the desktop app gives you right |
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| 02:14.50 | gnuweb | ksk what about the desktop syncing for owncloud tho? (have u installed owncloud?) |
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| 02:20.29 | OldParr | xfce allways opens nautilus when it starts, how can i stop this, i choosed the option "not to remember the previous session" but it do not works |
| 02:21.30 | OldParr | it opens home folder ... |
| 02:22.26 | TheDrums | If it's starting a saved session, you can remove ~/.cache/sessions/ otherwise you can remove the startup task. |
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| 02:22.40 | ksk | gnuweb: i have not installed the owncloud client on my debian-desktop, nope |
| 02:22.48 | ksk | no idea about that either |
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| 02:26.33 | OldParr | TheDrums: rm -rf /home/user/sessions ? |
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| 02:28.58 | OldParr | TheDrums: /home/user/sessions does not exisrs |
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| 02:29.29 | TheDrums | Of course it doesn't, I said "...you can remove ~/.cache/sessions/" |
| 02:29.37 | OldParr | exists |
| 02:31.21 | OldParr | TheDrums: i did that i going to clase the session thanks |
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| 02:33.37 | OldParr | i losted my desktop configuration, but i think is "no pain no gain" problem ... |
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| 02:49.54 | lulzfish4 | I made a virtual machine and created the ext3 FS from there. |
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| 03:10.08 | k_sze[work] | Hello |
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| 03:10.16 | k_sze[work] | What is the /etc/hosts file usually used by? |
| 03:11.32 | themill | all programs doing dns resolution (that that aren't themselves part of a dns resolver like "nslookup" "dig") |
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| 03:12.27 | themill | dpkg, /etc/hosts |
| 03:12.27 | dpkg | /etc/hosts is a static lookup table for hostnames. "man 5 hosts" for more information and example content. To change your system's hostname, ask me about <hostname>. |
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| 03:58.15 | Sark | Having a bit of a problem - just installed Debian 7, and am trying to get telnetd to work - installed telnetd, restarted inetd, I can telnet to the box from the box itself, but not from another machine... |
| 03:58.46 | themill | .o0( sounds like a feature not a problem ) |
| 03:58.59 | Sark | huh? |
| 03:59.16 | Sark | No, you see, I can only connect to the box from the box itself. That's kind of useless. |
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| 04:00.15 | Sark | It doesn't even attempt to connect - I just get connection refused. |
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| 04:01.51 | ms4sman | This may sound dumb, but how do I install packages with the tar.gz extension? |
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| 04:02.17 | Sark | Are you sure it's a package, and not source code? |
| 04:02.31 | ms4sman | I think I have some of both |
| 04:02.34 | Sark | Usually, source is distributed as tarballs like that - you have to decompress, compile, and install. |
| 04:02.47 | ms4sman | I extracted them, and I read some commands to use |
| 04:02.59 | ms4sman | I read that I should use ./configure |
| 04:03.10 | ms4sman | and then "make" and "make install" |
| 04:03.12 | Sark | yeah - with source code, you ./configure, then after that, run make |
| 04:03.19 | Sark | then make install (as root) to actually install it. |
| 04:03.29 | Sark | but, once the software has been made, you can run it before you install it. |
| 04:03.33 | ms4sman | when I try to use make and make install, it says that they are not recognized commands |
| 04:03.39 | Sark | you need to install make |
| 04:03.42 | Sark | apt-get install make |
| 04:03.43 | themill | !b-e ms4sman |
| 04:03.43 | dpkg | ms4sman: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 04:04.04 | ms4sman | what is build essential? |
| 04:04.06 | themill | ms4sman: I assume the thing your compiling isn't already in a debian package? |
| 04:04.15 | Sark | did ./configure run correctly? It will check for your compiler, etc. |
| 04:04.22 | themill | !qotd49 |
| 04:04.22 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 04:04.31 | ms4sman | yes. I am just using dropbox source as a test. |
| 04:04.38 | ms4sman | I downloaded the source from the site |
| 04:04.44 | ms4sman | and ./configure worked |
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| 04:08.24 | ms4sman | ok I installed make, and ran ./configure |
| 04:08.51 | ms4sman | then I used make and it says "no targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 04:09.13 | Sark | did configure actually run correctly? |
| 04:09.19 | Sark | sounds like it didn't generate the makefile. |
| 04:09.27 | Sark | Are you sure you have compilers installed? Type gcc |
| 04:09.29 | Sark | is that a command? |
| 04:10.04 | themill | didn't think dropbox released any source you could actually compile anyway |
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| 04:11.52 | ms4sman | https://www.dropbox.com/install2 |
| 04:11.59 | ms4sman | that is where I got it |
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| 04:12.36 | ms4sman | I am installing build-essential |
| 04:13.32 | roger21 | do we seriously need dpkg to be offencive when it doesn't have an answer |
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| 04:13.38 | roger21 | that motherfucker! |
| 04:13.48 | sarkis | how can i tell which version of a package will be installed with apt-get? |
| 04:13.49 | themill | ms4sman: ahh... that's only "nautilus dropbox" not "dropbox" and that's already in debian |
| 04:13.59 | themill | sarkis: apt-cache policy $packagename |
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| 04:14.43 | themill | looks at roger21 |
| 04:14.48 | sarkis | hmm 500 |
| 04:14.48 | sarkis | 500 http://apt.puppetlabs.com/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages |
| 04:14.48 | sarkis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.11 | ms4sman | sorry if this is a problem or a dumb question. I am pretty new to this |
| 04:15.23 | themill | sarkis: that's the priority of the package not the version |
| 04:15.28 | Sark | ah hah. I figured out the telnet problem I was having. It seems that when you run telnet to connect to another host - it defaults to the port that is in /etc/services, not the default telnet port of 23. So, since the machine I was connecting to is running a telnet server on a nonstandard port, it would not connect to the telnet server on the destination box. |
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| 04:15.38 | sarkis | themill: oh i was worried its a 500 error :P |
| 04:15.42 | sarkis | themill: thanks! |
| 04:16.18 | themill | Sark: that's what /etc/services is for. (still have no idea why you want telnet though) |
| 04:16.30 | sarkis | huh telnet? |
| 04:16.37 | sarkis | thats not me :) |
| 04:16.40 | sarkis | sorry |
| 04:16.41 | Sark | No, that's me. |
| 04:16.45 | sarkis | haha |
| 04:17.09 | ms4sman | I will figure this out later |
| 04:17.11 | Sark | Yeah - mental lapse. Heh. I completely forgot about it... it's been a long day. |
| 04:17.37 | Sark | And yes, you need telnet when dealing with older systems that cannot support SSH. |
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| 04:19.04 | ms4sman | apparently I am even more clueless than I thought when it comes to installing software on linux |
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| 05:01.59 | emartin | i'm confused as to why i can't read/write in a directory ACL says I should be able to. here's some output: https://gist.github.com/lightcatcher/6277265 Anyone know what's up? |
| 05:05.11 | jesther | Maybe you should ask a moderator. :p |
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| 05:57.28 | cooldharma06 | hi all |
| 05:57.32 | cooldharma06 | ./vchan-node1: error while loading shared libraries: libxenvchan.so.1.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 05:58.06 | cooldharma06 | i an getting ths error how to solve it and ./vchan-node1 is executable |
| 05:59.27 | cooldharma06 | file vchan-node1: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped |
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| 06:05.19 | themill | cooldharma06: sounds like the library was compiled for a different architecture. What does "file" say on it? |
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| 06:06.32 | cooldharma06 | i think libxenvchan.so.1.0 is for 64 bit.. but vchan-node1 is 32 bit so it showing this error |
| 06:06.43 | cooldharma06 | any suggestion to solve it.. |
| 06:07.13 | themill | yes, that sounds likely. Compile both for the same architecture or hit the person over the head who gave you library/executable for the wrong architecture. |
| 06:07.41 | themill | What do "uname -r" and "dpkg --print-architecture" show? |
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| 06:08.06 | cooldharma06 | 2.6.32-5-xen-686 : uname -r |
| 06:08.28 | cooldharma06 | architec: i386 |
| 06:10.15 | cooldharma06 | tnx..:) themill.. |
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| 06:22.37 | cooldharma06 | themill: what it will show for amd 64 "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 06:23.24 | cooldharma06 | for 64 bit.? |
| 06:23.27 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | cooldharma06: amd64 |
| 06:24.26 | cooldharma06 | uname -r : 3.2.0-4-amd64 and uname -r : 3.2.0-4-amd64 and :i386 means combination of 32 and 64.? |
| 06:25.13 | cooldharma06 | sorry..uname -r : 3.2.0-4-amd64 and dpkg --print-archi :i386 means combination of 32 and 64.? |
| 06:25.22 | aypea[1] | suffixing the package name with :i386 will install the 32bit version /instead/. |
| 06:26.07 | themill | cooldharma06: yeah, it means a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspace; essentially it is a 32 bit only system but you can more easily make use of more memory on machines with > 3.2ish GB RAM |
| 06:26.17 | aypea[1] | for example, on my 64bit box I have: zlib1g:amd64 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13 amd64 / zlib1g:i386 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13 i386 |
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| 06:26.43 | aypea[1] | oops. misread. |
| 06:26.47 | aypea[1] | returns to lurk mode :) |
| 06:26.56 | themill | dpkg, coffee aypea[1] |
| 06:26.56 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for aypea[1], courtesy of themill |
| 06:27.33 | dioz | hippy blend |
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| 06:28.56 | cooldharma06 | ok fine |
| 06:28.58 | cooldharma06 | :) |
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| 07:08.13 | DoctorWedgeworth | if I've got an additional IP address added to an interface (with ip addr add IP dev eth0) how do I ping/curl/anything out from that IP (to try and force an ARP flush)? |
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| 07:17.30 | jelly-home | DoctorWedgeworth: check the manuals for something like a "bind address" or "bind interface" or "source address"; ping has a -I option for that |
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| 07:19.27 | DoctorWedgeworth | thanks jelly-home. I didn't realise -I took an IP address as well as an interface |
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| 07:36.05 | tdn_ | I am trying to set up airprint with cups/avahi-daemon so that I can print from iphone/ipad via my debian server. I can see my shared printer via avahi-browse --all but the apple devices cannot see the printer. Where to start debugging this? |
| 07:36.43 | DoctorWedgeworth | if you get this working can you write it up and link me? I tried once :) |
| 07:37.00 | tdn_ | The third column in avahi-browse says 'local'. But I guess that is just to indicate that this service is actually local to my host. It should not mean that it is only available locally, right? |
| 07:37.14 | tdn_ | Because I can see that avahi and cups are both listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:37.22 | tdn_ | DoctorWedgeworth, have you tried it? |
| 07:37.32 | tdn_ | DoctorWedgeworth, http://blog.mornati.net/2012/09/22/linux-airprint-server-for-ios6-devices/ |
| 07:38.40 | DoctorWedgeworth | I spent about an hour, maybe two on it tdn_ but I gave up |
| 07:39.29 | tdn_ | DoctorWedgeworth, keep at it :) I have spent about 3 hours now. |
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| 07:39.58 | tdn_ | DoctorWedgeworth, found out that there were changes in ios6 that made it not work for lots of people, but the link above should fix this |
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| 07:40.12 | tdn_ | DoctorWedgeworth, did you have apple devices find the printer at least? |
| 07:43.10 | DoctorWedgeworth | tdn_, no they didn't but it's possible because the printer isn't connected directly to the box. I've got cups working to print to it, but both the printer and the box are connected via powerline ethernet |
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| 07:43.39 | DoctorWedgeworth | I realised there were few instances where I needed to print from my phone but I'll bookmark that in case I need to try again |
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| 07:43.45 | DoctorWedgeworth | no doubt it will be different again for ios7 |
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| 07:58.30 | Pupeno | Is there a way to see the stdout of a process that cron is running right now? |
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| 07:58.50 | bhuddah | afaik no |
| 07:59.29 | well_laid_lawn | maybe add a display variable to the cron command and run it in something like xterm -e |
| 07:59.57 | mumpitzel | normally only stderr is saved and sent to the user running the cronjob |
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| 08:01.10 | Pupeno | I get the stdout of my cron processes. |
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| 08:01.24 | Pupeno | And I need to look at one running right now. It seems to be having issues. |
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| 08:36.57 | dFence | hey guys! Just had one of these random brainfarts, maybe you can help: I remember a file beeing mentioned, that lives in the webroot, that holds some hints for mail-clients as how to configure mail-accounts for this particular server -- any idea how that file is called? |
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| 08:50.57 | MrMonkey31 | =-) |
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| 08:59.52 | mumpitzel | dFence: that is not something debian would do. you sure this is debian related? |
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| 09:00.03 | mumpitzel | dFence: documentation is in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 09:01.43 | caraconan | Hi there. There's a way to list runlevels of a script located on /etc/init.d that are set up to be executed? |
| 09:02.00 | caraconan | update-rc.d looks like does not include this "read-only" feature |
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| 09:07.50 | jelly | caraconan: what, like ls -ld /etc/rc?.d/???ssh |
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| 09:09.45 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | caraconan: or find -L /etc/rc?.d -samefile /etc/init.d/script ) |
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| 09:10.38 | caraconan | w1ck3dg0ph3r: great one, many thanks |
| 09:10.50 | caraconan | And thanks to you jelly as well |
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| 09:32.18 | gnarface | hello debian |
| 09:33.36 | gnarface | can anyone happen to tell me how many bpp this video format is and whether it would be expected to be interlaced or not? Pixel Format: 'YUYV', Name : 4:2:2, packed, YUYV |
| 09:34.24 | gnarface | i'm trying to match non-standard labeling conventions of raw video pixel formats between v4l2-ctl output and avconv output to find something compatible with both |
| 09:35.00 | gnarface | i've successfully done this with mplayer but i'm expecting avconv to be faster |
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| 09:35.55 | mumpitzel | one would need more info about the file to know. everything is yuv 422 |
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| 09:36.39 | gnarface | mumpitzel: its a hardware device that dumps raw video in one of my choice of 18 different pixel formats |
| 09:37.17 | gnarface | mumixam: http://paste.debian.net/27411/ here is the output of v4l2-ctl --list-formats |
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| 09:37.28 | gnarface | mumpitzel: ^^^^ that was meant for you |
| 09:37.35 | gnarface | mumixam: ignore me, sorry |
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| 09:38.03 | ksuhku | hi, does the "resene license" in here smell free to you? http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/scribus/scribus_1.4.2.dfsg+r18267-1_copyright |
| 09:38.03 | gnarface | mumpitzel: i had luck with #11 with mplayer |
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| 09:38.36 | Konomi | gnarface: http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php#YUY2 |
| 09:38.39 | ksuhku | esp. the very last restriction |
| 09:38.47 | Konomi | "Effective bits per pixel : 16 " |
| 09:39.03 | dFence | mumpitzel: no it's not, it's mailserver related :) but since mailservers are a part of debian one _could_ argue... :D |
| 09:39.21 | gnarface | Konomi: ah, this is helpful info, thanks |
| 09:40.21 | gnarface | Konomi: some of the labels avconv uses them for are only distinct from one or more of these in the listed bpp, and some appear to come in several flavors, so this is exactly what i needed |
| 09:40.42 | gnarface | Konomi: distinct *only* in the listed bpp, i meant to say |
| 09:40.46 | mumpitzel | dFence: no debian mailserver I know would put any files in a webroot. so it's no debian file, so how would we know about it? |
| 09:41.16 | mumpitzel | ,v scribus |
| 09:41.17 | judd | Package: scribus on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.3.13.dfsg~svn20081228-2+b2; jessie: 1.4.0.dfsg+r17300-1.1; wheezy: 1.4.0.dfsg+r17300-1.1; sid: 1.4.2.dfsg+r18267-1 |
| 09:41.24 | dFence | ai ganma... |
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| 09:42.40 | mumpitzel | ksuhku: that one is way too vague to mean anything imho |
| 09:43.38 | ksuhku | mumpitzel, yes it's a ridiculous demand |
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| 09:44.18 | gnarface | Konomi: so RGB4 for example is better quality than any of the 4:2:2 formats then, isn't it? |
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| 09:44.21 | ksuhku | But it kinda feels as if the wanted a kill switch |
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| 09:46.50 | Konomi | gnarface: I guess so it's 16 bits as well |
| 09:48.31 | mumpitzel | ksuhku: it will be the same as with mozilla: as soon as debian sees how the license holder wants to interpret the license, it will act. At worst, removing it from debian |
| 09:48.50 | mumpitzel | tho with mozilla it was trademarks of course, but you get the idea |
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| 09:50.15 | ksuhku | mumpitzel, that does make a lot of sense but I think besides that we should push the stupid copyright holder for a more sensible license |
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| 09:53.45 | ksuhku | damn I hate FUD and all kind of vagueness... |
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| 10:02.28 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 10:02.39 | hellyeah | is there anyone here to install herko on debian |
| 10:02.51 | hellyeah | it seems heroku expect sudo but in debian i use su |
| 10:02.56 | hellyeah | so...? |
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| 10:04.10 | jelly | hellyeah: you can install and configure sudo on debian if you want to |
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| 10:04.37 | hellyeah | do i have to i guess su environment is enough |
| 10:04.39 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 10:05.47 | jelly | you don't have to do anything. I'm saying, if your application expects that component, you can install it easily |
| 10:06.14 | hellyeah | aptitude install sudo and adduser foo sudo |
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| 10:06.17 | hellyeah | thats it? |
| 10:07.58 | hellyeah | hellyeah is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 10:08.27 | jelly | you need to log off and back on for the group memberships to update |
| 10:08.29 | hellyeah | how can i handle this? I did adduser hellyeah sudo |
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| 10:08.36 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 10:08.39 | hellyeah | let me do it |
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| 10:22.22 | discovered | What tool i need to query xml file? I see there is something doc("books.xml")/bookstore/book[price<30] .. which tool i need to install to run the command? |
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| 10:23.50 | caraconan | Hi there. Does somebody knows if it's possible to configure nss-pam-ldapd to just allow SSH access to users that belongs to a particular LDAP group? Just right now I have a setup working, but I would like to add this constraint. Thanks |
| 10:24.52 | caraconan | Disregard, reading https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM now |
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| 10:25.22 | alami | hello, can any one help me with a netwrok card issue |
| 10:25.42 | alami | it show me eth1 and it's should be wlan0 |
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| 10:32.21 | jonasty123dm | Hello, I've installed Brackets (an editor), but it won't launch. Any suggestions? |
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| 10:39.09 | tralala | alami, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 10:39.25 | tralala | !70 |
| 10:39.26 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 10:39.43 | alami | tralala:dmesg tell me [ 5.780766] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. |
| 10:41.17 | babilen | alami: You probably have a hardware kill switch on your laptop that has to be triggered. Otherwise use rfkill(1) to unblock "killed" devices. (Install it and read "man rfkill") |
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| 10:42.47 | alami | babilen: i have try that befor i come here with rfkill, but doesn't work |
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| 10:43.28 | babilen | alami: "doesn't work" is a very bad error description. What *exactly* did you try and what was the result? |
| 10:43.40 | babilen | dpkg: doesn't work |
| 10:43.41 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 10:44.34 | caraconan | Ok, still stuck trying to get a LDAP group based SSH access. Context here: http://paste.debian.net/27435/ Any help will be very welcome |
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| 10:45.04 | babilen | alami: And your last real question was about your network card not your wireless adaptor. tralala then pointed out some ways to rename eth1 to eth0 (assuming you were confused about that). What is the problem you want to solve, what have you tried and what was the result? |
| 10:45.05 | alami | babilen: when i try rfkill unblock all, then rfkill list |
| 10:45.13 | alami | Hard blocked: yes |
| 10:45.42 | babilen | alami: Okay, you might have a hardware switch then that has to be moved physically. |
| 10:45.52 | caraconan | tralala: excellent nick btw ! |
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| 10:48.55 | alami | babilen: what do you mean? buy a new wireless card? |
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| 10:51.04 | babilen | alami: I have absolutely no idea. Is this a laptop and if so which model? Is this a wireless adaptor you bought for you desktop pc and if so: Which card is it exactly? What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? What about "uname -a" and "rfkill list" ? Please paste the output of those commands to http://paste.debian.net and provide whatever additional information you think would help us to solve this problem. |
| 10:52.21 | babilen | alami: A bunch of laptops have "wifi kill switches" that look like, for example, http://www.laptopmag.com/images/uploads/3296/g/Lenovo%20ThinkPad%20X230_g13.jpg |
| 10:52.49 | babilen | gets some coffee |
| 10:53.20 | alami | babilen:thanks i know what do you mean, but that's not my Problem |
| 10:53.23 | alami | sorry |
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| 11:01.06 | tralala | caraconan, thank you :) |
| 11:01.37 | fishsponge | hello! i have a question... i'm using "icedove" version 17 and cannot get this CSS line to work: treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(folderNameCol, name-1\ \-\ DO\ OR\ DIE) {color: red !important;} |
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| 11:01.55 | fishsponge | basically if I take out the "name-" part it works for everything, but the "name-" line doesn't work for any folder... |
| 11:01.56 | fishsponge | brb |
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| 11:11.15 | caraconan | Fixed, editing /etc/nsswitch.conf and changing the line to "netgroup: nis ldap" |
| 11:11.52 | caraconan | mmm no, is not fixed yet :) |
| 11:12.34 | egonzalez_ergio | Hi: I'm using live-build 2.0.12-1 (I need 2.x not 3.x) with wheezy and the resultant iso installs ok but the live option doesen't work. The problem is that the kernel and initrd in /live have the version number (vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae) but isolinux/live.cfg try to boot kernel /live/vmlinuz. How can I change this? |
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| 11:19.30 | mumpitzel | egonzalez_ergio: normally there should be a symlink from vmlinuz to the kernel version |
| 11:20.35 | egonzalez_ergio | mumpitzel, there is not a link in the iso. Is possible to launch a script for do that before the iso completation? |
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| 11:21.42 | SOD-50yearsOld | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 11:35.05 | mumpitzel | egonzalez_ergio: I don't know. I don't even know of the filesystem for the ISO even allows symlinks |
| 11:35.27 | mumpitzel | egonzalez_ergio: maybe ask in the debian live irc channel or oftc afaik: /msg dpkg live |
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| 11:41.34 | caraconan | Now I fixed it. 1) I need to use 'nisNetgroup' instead of 'posixGroup' (I think it is possible to edit /etc/nslcd.conf and change it) 2) Add the LDAP user as a nisNetgroupTriple (,LDAP_USER,) 3. Edit /etc/nsswitch.conf and change this line "netgroup: nis ldap" |
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| 11:53.58 | visof | hi |
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| 11:54.10 | visof | how can i know which process use specific port? |
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| 11:57.05 | nkuttler | !tell visof about open ports |
| 11:57.27 | drunkez | !tell drunkez about kickstart |
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| 11:58.59 | woozly | guys, how to install last stable version of nginx? Because I see nginx 1.5 version, but in apt-get only 1.2.1 :( |
| 11:59.14 | nkuttler | ,v nginx-full |
| 11:59.16 | judd | Package: nginx-full on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1.4.1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.1-3; sid: 1.4.1-3 |
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| 11:59.34 | nkuttler | woozly: yeah, it's not packaged yet, and certainly not for wheezy |
| 11:59.53 | woozly | o_O |
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| 12:00.01 | nkuttler | woozly: once it's packaged you could build a backport, /msg dpkg backports |
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| 12:00.10 | woozly | dammit! I'm gonna use debain for server... maybe better to use Ubuntu? |
| 12:00.22 | nkuttler | use whatever you like.. |
| 12:00.22 | woozly | *debian |
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| 12:00.34 | jelly | woozly: well... seriously, what kind of answer do you expect to get from this channel? |
| 12:00.34 | nkuttler | woozly: why do you need 1.5 anyway? |
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| 12:01.25 | woozly | Guys, I love Debian. But I want to know (I have clean install of Debian 7 64) for my future web-server, and I can choose from Debian and Ubuntu. And I want to make final choice. |
| 12:01.37 | nkuttler | woozly: btw, looks like odd numbered releases aren't stable |
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| 12:02.00 | woozly | :( |
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| 12:02.21 | woozly | Debain 7 unstable? :/ |
| 12:02.23 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:02.30 | woozly | oh.. |
| 12:02.31 | jelly | woozly: do you absolutely require the features from 1.5? Have you checked the version available in Ubuntu LTS? |
| 12:02.52 | woozly | no guys! I don't know. I think greater number in version is better |
| 12:03.03 | nkuttler | woozly: yeah, don't use debian then. bye |
| 12:03.14 | drunkez | woozly: so in this case you want more stable rather then newest |
| 12:03.16 | drunkez | :) |
| 12:03.34 | woozly | Yes. More stable is better of course. |
| 12:03.42 | woozly | Sorry guys, If I hit somebody.. |
| 12:03.53 | drunkez | so take 1.21 it`s ok |
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| 12:03.59 | woozly | Okay! Thank you! |
| 12:04.03 | woozly | I'll do |
| 12:04.59 | drunkez | well actually there are some CVEs for <1.5.0 ..but anyway:) |
| 12:05.24 | nkuttler | drunkez: one would hope nginx supports their official stable release |
| 12:05.31 | patsToms | How can I change my password to one I had before? |
| 12:05.41 | nkuttler | patsToms: with passwd? |
| 12:05.43 | patsToms | it shows "Bad: new password is just a wrapped version of the old one" |
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| 12:05.53 | jelly | woozly: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS seems to have 1.1.19, even older than what's in Debian 7 |
| 12:06.21 | woozly | jelly: ohh... where did you find this info? Please gimme a link |
| 12:06.28 | nkuttler | patsToms: well, don't do that then.. use something else temporarily? |
| 12:06.33 | drunkez | nkuttler: latest stable is 1.4.2 |
| 12:06.47 | jelly | woozly: http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:nginx http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/precise/nginx |
| 12:06.49 | patsToms | nkuttler, ehh, why? :( Really no solution here? |
| 12:07.04 | woozly | jelly: thank you! |
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| 12:07.13 | nkuttler | drunkez: so? doesn't mean nobody's working on a fix |
| 12:07.36 | drunkez | nkuttler: definitely fixed but not in minor chain.... |
| 12:07.42 | jelly | patsToms: that's a local configuration limit. Contact your admin. |
| 12:08.13 | nkuttler | drunkez: minor chain? which CVE? |
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| 12:08.29 | patsToms | jelly, it's my machine and I am configuring it by myself |
| 12:08.43 | drunkez | 2013-2028 |
| 12:09.01 | nkuttler | drunkez: Not vulnerable: 1.5.0+, 1.4.1+ |
| 12:09.21 | drunkez | i know |
| 12:09.28 | jelly | patsToms: the easiest workaround is to run "passwd username" as root. The correct thing to do is to change the configuration (/etc/pam.d/passwd?) |
| 12:09.31 | nkuttler | drunkez: so your statement was wrong. anywway.. |
| 12:09.43 | jelly | !cve lookup CVE-2013-2028 |
| 12:09.43 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2013-2028 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-2028 |
| 12:10.03 | drunkez | yea Vulnerable: 1.3.9-1.4.0 |
| 12:10.05 | patsToms | jelly, thanks |
| 12:10.13 | jelly | drunkez: you can search by package or by CVE at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ |
| 12:10.27 | drunkez | thnx jelly |
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| 12:18.00 | minx | hi all |
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| 12:18.50 | minx | I have a problem with subnetworks configuration and would like to ask for your help |
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| 12:22.01 | drunkez | minx type your question...maybe somebody will read it and respond:) |
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| 12:24.35 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:28.53 | minx | I have a host running with debian wheezy 3.2.0, it has IP from network 192.168.58.0/24, it's connected to the firewall which is a gateway (192.168.58.1). On this physical host I want to run some kvm virtual machines (bridged connection) and some of VM's need to have IP from subnetwork 192.168.58.0/25 and another VM's IP from 192.168.58.128/25. |
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| 12:31.51 | minx | now is the tricky part. The VM's with IP from 192.168.58.0/25 have internet connection, their default gateway is the same as the gateway of a host - 192.168.58.1 |
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| 12:32.03 | Jarmer | just booted into a new debian install for the first time ever. Liking this distro! |
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| 12:34.24 | minx | but how should I configure another VM's with IP from 192.168.58.128/25? Their gateway according to the network IP should be 192.168.58.129, but they need to go out to internet via 192.168.58.1 |
| 12:34.48 | jonasty123dm | Jarmer : I always recommend Debian stable over Ubuntu to friends because of it's stability |
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| 12:38.37 | Jarmer | @jonasty123dm interesting. I've felt like over the past few years Ubuntu has gotten to be so bloated I don't even want to use it. Plus whatever their gui is called (unity?) it's TERRIBLE. I know I can install whatever on top of it, but it still doesn't feel as fast as this |
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| 12:41.43 | jonasty123dm | Jarmer : I agree, it's too bloated. XFCE flies on my PC :) |
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| 12:44.14 | jonasty123dm | And I also swicthed because I think Canonical is becoming more like Apple: Debian is closer to freedom. But I also run proprietary software: I'm no FOSS purist :p |
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| 12:45.05 | defnordic | for desktop I think Linux Mint is the best compromise. I hope the debian edition gets more love in the future |
| 12:45.17 | alienjeff | Anyone else here experiencing NMI messages related to reason 30 or 31 and acpi in the past few days? |
| 12:45.19 | defnordic | but on my servers, debian rules supreme ^^ |
| 12:45.43 | jonasty123dm | I just hope Mint makes LMDE the default and just drops Ubuntu completely :) |
| 12:45.49 | jonasty123dm | Agreed, it's super stable |
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| 12:46.31 | jelly | alienjeff: nope, which debian release? |
| 12:46.41 | alienjeff | Wheezy. |
| 12:46.58 | crane_work | i went also away from using ubuntu... since version 12.04 too much was broken for me and i get pissed of to fix something when i should do my work |
| 12:47.06 | jelly | alienjeff: up-to-date kernel? |
| 12:47.09 | alienjeff | Also cpu0. So I switched positions of the processors, too, to no avail. |
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| 12:47.46 | alienjeff | jelly: Uh...should be. I've been doing the update/upgrade regularly. |
| 12:48.00 | Jarmer | XFCE is awesome, it used to be my daily driver, but now I'm trying lxde and liking it a lot as well! |
| 12:48.03 | Jarmer | love the speed |
| 12:48.06 | ulmer | crane_work: +1 |
| 12:48.15 | alienjeff | jelly: It was a fresh install, BTW...from Arch. |
| 12:48.17 | jelly | alienjeff: well, what does uname -a say |
| 12:48.27 | alienjeff | Linux zpro 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:50.44 | dash00 | Jarmer, try awesome-wm you will love the speed :) |
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| 12:52.35 | minx | I solved the network question, I just configured an additional virtual gateway on a firewall for a 192.168.58.128/25 network |
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| 13:00.23 | jelly | alienjeff: yeah, that's uptodate |
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| 13:01.46 | Jarmer | awesom-wm looks ... well..... awesome |
| 13:02.03 | Jarmer | reminds me of another environment that I can't remember off the top of my head |
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| 13:03.48 | jonasty123dm | Jarmer : Openbox , FLuxbox ? |
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| 13:04.09 | catusa | Is it possible to return to the stable one on once I edited the sources.list? |
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| 13:04.20 | abrotman | return from what? |
| 13:04.26 | catusa | stable |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | so you want to return to stable, from stable? |
| 13:05.11 | alienjeff | jelly: ty. Thought so. Swapped cpu's around in case one was "headed south" on me. No dice. NMI report didn't "follow" cpu swap. |
| 13:05.12 | nkuttler | catusa: editing the sources.list doesn't do anything other than.. editing the file |
| 13:05.19 | Jarmer | maybe flux! yes, I'll have to go look it up |
| 13:05.32 | catusa | no i am testing |
| 13:05.41 | nkuttler | !tell catusa about downgrade |
| 13:05.52 | alienjeff | jelly: So I'm left to determine whether the NMI report is a valid concern or a false positive, so to speak. |
| 13:06.53 | catusa | ok |
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| 13:09.16 | jonasty123dm | catusa, no you can't return to stable from testing. However, technically it IS possible, but you have to be highly comfortable with Debian/Linux. However, the developers don't recommend doing this. It would just mess your system up. I would go for a clean install stable install to be sure. |
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| 13:10.09 | catusa | ok thanks |
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| 13:16.11 | azerus | if I use require_membership_of in the pam_winbind config, it works unless the user in AD has "User must change password at next logon" flag enabled, then it ignores the requirements |
| 13:16.12 | azerus | has anyone seen this before? |
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| 13:18.37 | yeehi | Wheezy failed to install - it hung at installing grub-dummy. Everything else was OK - /boot partition and then encrypted lvm for everything. Would copy pasting the boot folder from the live wheezy DVD into the /boot folder on the disk get the system to boot? |
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| 13:20.54 | mumpitzel | no. |
| 13:21.13 | mumpitzel | you can boot the live cd, mount all partitions and chroot into. then install grub yourself |
| 13:21.42 | mumpitzel | !tell yeehi about reinstall grub |
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| 13:23.55 | yeehi | thanks, mumpitzel - i will look at that... |
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| 13:24.34 | mumpitzel | the above should give you a better error message too |
| 13:24.36 | xmxxs | My headphones and speakers both play sound at the same time. I'm wanting to have only my headphones play sound when plugged in, and have my speakers play sound when my headphones are unplugged. :( |
| 13:26.16 | fishsponge_ | hello! i have a question... i'm using "icedove" version 17 and cannot get this CSS line to work: treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(folderNameCol, name-1\ \-\ DO\ OR\ DIE) {color: red !important;} |
| 13:26.18 | fishsponge_ | basically if I take out the "name-" part it works for everything, but the "name-" line doesn't work for any folder... |
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| 13:28.57 | babilen | fishsponge_: Sounds as if you want #css rather than #debian |
| 13:29.10 | fishsponge_ | ok... |
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| 13:29.32 | fishsponge_ | i cannot connect to the irc.mozilla.org server and the #mozilla people aren't helping too much either... so i will try #css :-) |
| 13:29.44 | mynameisdeleted | hi... is libmotif4 stil in the "non-free section"? |
| 13:29.53 | mynameisdeleted | even though the open group opensourced that? |
| 13:29.56 | mynameisdeleted | and released under gpl? |
| 13:30.08 | babilen | mynameisdeleted: It isn't anymore |
| 13:30.11 | babilen | judd: v libmotif4 |
| 13:30.12 | judd | Package: libmotif4 on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2.3.3-5; wheezy/non-free: 2.3.3-8; jessie: 2.3.4-4; sid: 2.3.4-4 |
| 13:30.36 | mynameisdeleted | so its stil non-free on squeeze and wheezy |
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| 13:30.52 | mynameisdeleted | those havent been updated to label it free |
| 13:30.55 | babilen | mynameisdeleted: Yes, that that will never change as the version stays the same. |
| 13:31.06 | mynameisdeleted | is cde goign to be included in debian? |
| 13:31.11 | mynameisdeleted | maybe in universe? |
| 13:31.21 | mynameisdeleted | as unsupported free software |
| 13:31.23 | babilen | mynameisdeleted: Are you absolutely sure that they retroactively licensed those versions under a DFSG free license? |
| 13:31.46 | mynameisdeleted | there were a few sections that were taken out of cde to make that free |
| 13:31.48 | mynameisdeleted | not sure about motif |
| 13:31.52 | babilen | mynameisdeleted: There is no "universe" in Debian. All packages receive the same level of support (as resources permit) |
| 13:32.21 | mynameisdeleted | some companies that had contributed to cde couldnt be contacted to re-release their code, but very few... their contributions have been patched out |
| 13:32.26 | mynameisdeleted | thats to my knowledge |
| 13:32.32 | mynameisdeleted | flibble knows the full details |
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| 13:32.41 | mynameisdeleted | and if libmotif might have been back licensed |
| 13:32.44 | babilen | Okay, how I we help you? |
| 13:32.53 | babilen | s/I/can/ :) |
| 13:33.25 | mynameisdeleted | I beleive motif has been fully back-licensed, but have to make sure |
| 13:33.34 | mynameisdeleted | opengroup has the official say on that |
| 13:34.03 | themill | It still wouldn't change what was in a stable release |
| 13:34.30 | mynameisdeleted | so not worth bothering with a back-license on old versions |
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| 13:34.37 | jelly | babilen: the whole debian is a universe! |
| 13:35.08 | mynameisdeleted | hows lxc in debian doing these days? |
| 13:35.14 | mynameisdeleted | and openstack+debian? |
| 13:35.20 | jelly | mynameisdeleted: why would anyone want to go back to cde, anyhoo |
| 13:35.21 | themill | tias |
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| 13:35.42 | mynameisdeleted | I was usign cde for a while on my slower boxes... but like wmaker better I think |
| 13:36.01 | jelly | right, a sparcstation 20 |
| 13:36.15 | mynameisdeleted | I like a window manager that takes almost 0 ram and cpu |
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| 13:37.15 | jonasty123dm | mynameisdeleted, fluxbox? |
| 13:37.23 | mynameisdeleted | thats another choice |
| 13:37.38 | mynameisdeleted | and blackbox |
| 13:37.45 | jonasty123dm | :) |
| 13:38.00 | xmxxs | My headphones and speakers both play sound at the same time. I'm wanting to have only my headphones play sound when plugged in, and have my speakers play sound when my headphones are unplugged. :( |
| 13:38.09 | xmxxs | How would I accomplish this? |
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| 13:38.25 | mynameisdeleted | what card do you hvae xmxxs? |
| 13:38.31 | mynameisdeleted | do you know what sond-card you have? |
| 13:38.44 | babilen | Mine do that automatically - I never really investigated what's responsible for this or how to change that behaviour. :-/ |
| 13:38.47 | mynameisdeleted | if not.. and its likely built into motherboard do you have a model number of the computer using tha tmotherboard or the motheboard model? |
| 13:39.04 | mynameisdeleted | also what debian version and kernel version |
| 13:39.09 | jelly | babilen: needs correct alsa driver pinout settings |
| 13:39.24 | xmxxs | Wheezy, and 3.2 |
| 13:39.24 | themill | and/or a physical switch in the headphone jack |
| 13:39.39 | xmxxs | I don't have a physical switch in the headphones |
| 13:39.48 | jelly | I must confess I've never seen a laptop with a physical switch for that |
| 13:39.58 | jelly | oh, in the jack itself |
| 13:40.00 | themill | you'd not be able to see it |
| 13:40.17 | dan2k3k4 | should I A) buy new NAS (min 2 TB, but must be 'open' in some way, i.e has ssh access [can be via custom firmware as long as it's updated]) or B) get external drive and then copy files from current LG NAS N1T1 (it's quite old) and factory reset it to try and update the Debian version (lenny is default) |
| 13:40.39 | jonasty123dm | xmxxs, type lspci in a terminal, your sound card should be listed there |
| 13:40.57 | xmxxs | Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 13:41.11 | babilen | jelly: So it essentially does depend on the level of support ALSA provides for a certain card which means that xmxxs' card lacks those "pinout settings" ? |
| 13:41.32 | dan2k3k4 | I mainly want to update Debian Lenny on the NAS since there's a few apps I've wanted to get that are for Squeeze or higher :o |
| 13:41.44 | jonasty123dm | ok, are you using ALSA? |
| 13:41.57 | xmxxs | I believe I'm using PulseAudio |
| 13:42.04 | dan2k3k4 | but then the NAS is quite old and I suppose I could get a decent quiet for around 100 with 2 TB? |
| 13:42.40 | jelly | babilen: yes. At one point, I've been waiting for 9-12 months for the support for correct audio routing to appear in vanilla kernel for a certain motherboard |
| 13:42.43 | jonasty123dm | I've had that issue to when using Ubuntu 12.04 with kernel 3.2. I now have Debian 7 running with ALSA on my laptop and sound is fine for me |
| 13:43.05 | xmxxs | How would I check if Pulse or ALSA are being used? |
| 13:43.28 | jelly | xmxxs: alsa is always used, pulse runs on top of it when it's there |
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| 13:44.52 | babilen | jelly: Great, thanks for elaborating. |
| 13:45.28 | jonasty123dm | xmxxs, I only know that the issue I had was related to pusleaudio, maybe someone else knows a solution for xmxxs 's problem? |
| 13:45.33 | xmxxs | jelly: How would I be able to double-check though? |
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| 13:46.01 | azerus | if I use require_membership_of in the pam_winbind config, it works unless the user in AD has "User must change password at next logon" flag enabled, then it ignores the requirements |
| 13:46.02 | azerus | has anyone seen this before? |
| 13:46.10 | jelly | xmxxs: well, if there's a "pulseaudio" process it's a sign it's running ;-) |
| 13:46.56 | jelly | xmxxs: same thing if "alsamixer" shows a PulseAudio "card" |
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| 13:47.54 | jonasty123dm | xmxxs, try switching the sound card in alsamixer, might solve the problem |
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| 13:49.49 | xmxxs | It shows it as a pulseaudio card, and there is no other sound card to switch to in alsamixer |
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| 13:51.47 | jonasty123dm | weird |
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| 13:53.46 | xmxxs | Yeah, is there a way to see the headphones are really plugged in and tie that to a monitor or something? |
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| 13:54.08 | jonasty123dm | Don't know, I have a laptop |
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| 13:54.57 | Glorf | Hi |
| 13:55.09 | jonasty123dm | hello |
| 13:55.36 | Glorf | i just got a 2.5" HDD connectec via an USB interface who is having severe problem |
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| 13:55.56 | Glorf | i can see him via fdisk -l, but can't mount it or do any operation on it (like try to use smart) |
| 13:56.54 | xmxxs | jonasty123dm: I also have a laptop |
| 13:57.16 | Glorf | i've got some I/O error in dmesg |
| 13:57.46 | jhutchins | Glorf: Does it have a partition and/or filesystem? |
| 13:58.10 | jonasty123dm | xmxxs, are you sure the headphones wotk properly |
| 13:58.11 | jonasty123dm | ? |
| 13:58.21 | xmxxs | I'm certain. I can try another pair, if you'd like |
| 13:58.22 | Glorf | yes |
| 13:58.27 | Glorf | (okay now fdisk doesn't detect him anymore ...) |
| 13:58.30 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 13:58.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:58.44 | jhutchins | Glorf: can you show us a sample of the I/O errors? |
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| 13:59.47 | Glorf | jhutchins, http://pastebin.com/EUDxQN3S |
| 13:59.51 | xmxxs | Same thing with another pair jonasty123dm |
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| 14:01.54 | Glorf | http://pastebin.com/Vg7uDLE4 the dmesg message when i plug it in, and the fdisk -l output |
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| 14:04.21 | Kammm | Hi, i've got a problem with my loop. I want to loop until a specified date is equal to the date of today, but for now my loop is infinite :( Could you help me please with : http://pastebin.com/qfAxRVbe |
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| 14:04.40 | mateusz__ | Hi |
| 14:05.16 | mateusz__ | after recent sid ugprade wheneever I leave PC for longer screen turns off and I cant turn it back |
| 14:05.30 | mateusz__ | anyone know what might cause that? |
| 14:05.33 | mateusz__ | kernel? |
| 14:06.11 | nkuttler | mateusz__: well, boot a different kernel and see for yourself? |
| 14:06.44 | nkuttler | Kammm: do you want #bash ? |
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| 14:07.00 | Kammm | nkuttler, bash or other .. |
| 14:07.19 | nkuttler | Kammm: no, /join #bash |
| 14:07.29 | themill | Kammm: «-d=$date_input_var --date="-$COUNT days ago»? |
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| 14:08.29 | Kammm | themill, yes ?? |
| 14:08.35 | mateusz__ | nkuttler, I am running simulations now and there is a reason why I dont want to reboot at this very moment, I will check that later with different kernel, I was expecting that maybe someone had similar problems or this issue is known |
| 14:08.44 | themill | Kammm: that makes no sense at all |
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| 14:09.08 | Kammm | themill, i want to loop and increment the date for each iteration |
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| 14:09.25 | nkuttler | !tell mateusz__ about debian-next |
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| 14:09.53 | themill | Kammm: you're specifying "-d" twice. You have a double negative in the date offset. |
| 14:10.25 | mateusz__ | nkuttler, I mean your point about #bash was not kind |
| 14:10.42 | nkuttler | mateusz__: huh? |
| 14:10.50 | mateusz__ | I can check different kernel later, when simulations are finished |
| 14:10.58 | Kammm | themill, ok it's the first mistake |
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| 14:11.08 | Kammm | themill, i corrected it but i've still got an infinite loop :/ |
| 14:11.16 | themill | Kammm: there are two mistakes in that line |
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| 14:11.36 | mateusz__ | nkuttler, oh sorry |
| 14:11.57 | mateusz__ | nkuttler, well my bad, I missunderstood you |
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| 14:12.06 | mateusz__ | nkuttler, thanks I will check other server |
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| 14:12.42 | Kammm | themill, what's the 2nd one ? |
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| 14:13.48 | konadr | hi all, can someone tell me the difference between these two in my common-account settings for pam? one works one doesn't and I'm unclear as to why :S http://www.pastebin.ca/2434729 |
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| 14:15.34 | themill | Kammm: that depends on what you've changed it to... |
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| 14:16.40 | mads | Hello :) i have seen you can bond network interfaces on Debian with something called ifenslave. Now lets say i have 2 ADSL connections from 2 different providers, will i then be able to bond 2 interfaces to gain double speed through the linux box? |
| 14:16.40 | Kammm | themill, this is my new line : date_input_var=$(date +"%Y%m%d" --date=$COUNT) |
| 14:16.52 | Kammm | themill, but i've issues when running it |
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| 14:19.15 | canci_ | I have jessie and unstale mixed with pinning. There's a package installed from jessie currently and I want to upgrade it to the version in unstable. How would I go about that? |
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| 14:21.39 | Kammm | themill, what was the 2nd mistake plz ? |
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| 14:22.37 | themill | Kammm: I think you should manually execute each part of this code yourself to see what date is returning |
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| 14:27.08 | jelly | set -x can be of help |
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| 14:27.51 | jelly | and of course, debugging via careful sprinkling of prints/echos |
| 14:27.51 | ktanner | what is the rolling version of debian, is it stable and what's the latest kernel version? |
| 14:28.21 | jelly | ktanner: there is none at present time. There's a development tree, not stable, and |
| 14:28.24 | jelly | judd: kernels |
| 14:28.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 14:28.38 | jelly | ktanner: 3.10.7 in sid apparently |
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| 14:29.47 | canci_ | hm strange, openvswitch-datapath-dkms is 1.9.2+git20130813-1 in unstable according to packages.debian.org - however I don't see that version on my machine with apt-cache policy openvswitch-datapath-dkms |
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| 14:31.42 | Kammm | themill, the sytax of the previous line is fixed, but still have infinite loop :( http://pastebin.com/ANdFAD81 |
| 14:32.33 | ktanner | thanks jelly |
| 14:33.44 | themill | Kammm: date_input_var is never going to be set to what you want. Trace through the execution carefully. As jelly said, "set -x can be of help" |
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| 14:38.43 | CountryfiedLinux | does debian testing receive security updates? |
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| 14:39.46 | musca | CountryfiedLinux: not in a timely manner. |
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| 14:42.30 | musca | CountryfiedLinux: newly packaged version updates go through unstable, settle down for 10 days and if they are not seriously broken they finally reach testing. |
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| 14:42.59 | themill | security updates normally migrate faster than that, unless they get caught up in a transition |
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| 14:44.27 | musca | ah, ok. |
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| 14:45.40 | themill | that's what the "urgency" field is for in the changelog. But you can't rely on timely security support, that is true |
| 14:45.46 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, Do you know if the testing installer includes LXDE desktop as an install option? |
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| 14:47.16 | musca | CountryfiedLinux: yes, but you should better dist-upgrade from stable. (don't use the testing installer) |
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| 14:47.49 | Kammm | themill, ok i understand my mistake. But i don't know how to "add days" to a date as a variable (not a date format) |
| 14:47.54 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, What's wrong with it? Just curious. |
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| 14:48.47 | babilen | CountryfiedLinux: I also wouldn't use the stable installer to install jessie (testing) but stable first and take it from there. The installer is in a very early development stage at this point in the release cycle, has various problems and nobody seriously expects users to use it. |
| 14:48.59 | CountryfiedLinux | I don't really consider male/female in chat format tbh. Its just text btw :P |
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| 14:49.09 | CountryfiedLinux | oops wrong chat sorry |
| 14:49.09 | musca | CountryfiedLinux: the installer is in early development state and gets polished at the end of the development cycle. |
| 14:49.22 | juan123 | after using apt-mirror, what should i change in my sources.list to use the files it downloaded? the directory was created in /var/spool/apt-mirror theres skel mirror and var in there |
| 14:49.24 | themill | Kammm: date +"%Y%m%d" --date="20130813 + 4 days" might be interesting for you |
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| 14:51.37 | Kammm | themill, thanks i can continue my script with this !!! |
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| 14:53.42 | jelly | !!! |
| 14:53.42 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:53.53 | jelly | dpkg: !!! |
| 14:53.53 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 14:54.05 | rixius | dpkg: But! :T |
| 14:54.05 | dpkg | rixius: i don't know |
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| 14:54.22 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, I'm just considering the pros and cons of Debian 7 and Ubuntu LTS. I understand Ubuntu now has spyware and think I'll get away from Ubuntu for the time being though. |
| 14:54.34 | rixius | I just whined at a bot :| |
| 14:54.55 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, even though I don't use Unity, its just strange using something from a company that supports that stuff. |
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| 14:55.20 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: it's not really spyware as much as online search autocompletion, and can be easily disabled |
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| 14:56.56 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, yeah I know, but it shouldn't be there in the first place, and if so it should be at the user's option to enable it instead of it be on by default. |
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| 14:58.09 | canci_ | Strange, openvswitch-datapath-dkms-1.9.2+git20130813-1 is in debian unstable according to packages.debian.org but I don't seem to have it in my local package lists. Any hints what could be causing this? |
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| 14:59.41 | musca | ,v openvswitch-datapath-dkms --release unstable |
| 14:59.41 | judd | Package: openvswitch-datapath-dkms on i386 -- sid: 1.4.2+git20120612-9.1; sid: 1.9.2+git20130813-1 |
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| 15:00.17 | musca | hmmm, two versions for one package name, i doubt that :) |
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| 15:03.47 | jelly | it's magic. |
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| 15:04.49 | themill | musca: don't doubt it |
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| 15:05.39 | james41382 | I have a dual boot system windows 8 and wheezy. Both system partitions are encrypted truecrypt and dm-crypt/lvm2 respectively. I want to configure things so that the windows 8 partition will get mounted at boot. Has anyone does this or come across an artitcle related to it? |
| 15:05.43 | canci_ | hm fun, http://packages.debian.org/sid/openvswitch-datapath-dkms shows openvswitch_1.4.2+git20120612-9.1.debian.tar.gz as source... |
| 15:05.51 | canci_ | for openvswitch 1.9.2... |
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| 15:06.52 | james41382 | done* |
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| 15:07.13 | CountryfiedLinux | my gpu is too new to function properly in stable (Q3 2012) Would it be fine to use it in Testing now? |
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| 15:07.47 | juan123 | all the packages were placed in 'skel' and apt-get update cant find them |
| 15:08.04 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: no one can answer that with those few details .. testing will be a bumpy ride |
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| 15:08.15 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: have you looked to see if a newer version is in backports? |
| 15:08.18 | juan123 | jelly: I mean all the Packages.gz |
| 15:08.34 | CountryfiedLinux | abrotman, I dunno, but its an Intel B830 |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: so look in backports for a the 3.10 kernel, plus see if maytbe there's a newer xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 15:09.12 | CountryfiedLinux | abrotman, Well that's the CPU, but I think the GPU is integrated with the CPU? |
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| 15:09.22 | abrotman | fancy tyos! |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | toys even |
| 15:09.48 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: i don't see a newer driver in jessie or backports, so if the updated kernel doesn't work, youll have to try to get the driver from unstable |
| 15:10.46 | CountryfiedLinux | abrotman, Oh ok thanks. I think I'll stick with Ubuntu for now. Its a pretty stable balance between testing and unstable. |
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| 15:11.19 | jelly | juan123: sorry, I have not used apt-mirror |
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| 15:11.40 | CountryfiedLinux | abrotman, I dunno how to import drivers like that :( |
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| 15:20.36 | juan123 | apt-get update is saying it couldnt find Packages file in a certain directory but i checked and it IS there though |
| 15:22.24 | juan123 | the file is on an ntfs partition. will that be an issue |
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| 15:25.04 | juan123 | it's all good. i fucked up with the directory name. |
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| 15:27.58 | juan123 | this is awesome. now i can just apt-get install anythang i want instantly |
| 15:28.05 | juan123 | i recommend everyone does this |
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| 15:31.00 | CountryfiedLinux | I know my graphics card is intel b830 and is integrated with the cpu but I don't see it here http://pastebin.com/MsC9B6ZK |
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| 15:33.44 | HelloShitty | Can anyone help me on making a rule for a Makefile? |
| 15:33.59 | HelloShitty | i wabt to delete a file that was previously created by a rule |
| 15:34.05 | HelloShitty | shouldn't this be enough: |
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| 15:34.12 | HelloShitty | rm -rf $@? |
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| 15:34.44 | jelly | HelloShitty: don't use -r for a single file |
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| 15:38.34 | CountryfiedLinux | Is there a live image for testing? |
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| 15:39.19 | HelloShitty | jelly, will be that a problem? |
| 15:39.31 | HelloShitty | Or isn't the automatic varible ok? |
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| 15:41.09 | xmxxs | When I have my headphones plugged in, I still get sound from the speakers. I want just the headphones to be playing sound! http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0c76bafc36865fab72a9668f1db4cdb20e13cbcb Here's some info on my sound setup |
| 15:41.19 | jelly | HelloShitty: it won't. it's just a tangential comment |
| 15:41.34 | somiaj | xmxxs: is this a laptop and are you using intel_hda sound card? |
| 15:42.20 | xmxxs | This is a laptop, and I believe so. Why do you ask? |
| 15:43.06 | somiaj | xmxxs: I had the same issue. That chipset has lots of models you can set. You need to modify a config file in /etc/modconf.d/ (I belive I can't check right now) and set the model correct for your laptop |
| 15:43.25 | somiaj | once you do that it should work as expected. Mind did just fine (I had to use a thinkpad model though I had a toshiba laptop) |
| 15:44.32 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 15:44.34 | HelloShitty | i got it |
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| 15:44.52 | xmxxs | somiaj: modconf.d? I don't have that folder at all |
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| 15:46.00 | CountryfiedLinux | Is there a live iso for debian testing? |
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| 15:47.33 | Dorfmeister | #join #arduino |
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| 15:48.35 | pmo | CountryfiedLinux, does not look like it |
| 15:48.40 | pmo | looked trugh the dir |
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| 15:49.07 | somiaj | xmxxs: sorry not on a debian machine at the moment, so I can't check |
| 15:49.15 | CountryfiedLinux | pmo, Doesn't look like it, although it could be some place else? The website is a bit disorganized IMO. |
| 15:49.24 | somiaj | xmxxs: sorry it is /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 15:49.35 | pmo | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/ CountryfiedLinux |
| 15:49.44 | somiaj | that directory should have a bunch of files, make a new one that sets you model you can probably look it up on google |
| 15:49.46 | pmo | and this is the site http://live.debian.net/ |
| 15:49.49 | xmxxs | Do you mean /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 15:50.05 | CountryfiedLinux | pmo, nope :( |
| 15:50.20 | pmo | stable/wheezy isent that old yet tho :) |
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| 15:51.18 | pmo | i guess you could build one tho, if you really wanted to mess with that |
| 15:51.26 | CountryfiedLinux | pmo, But Stable is too old for my GPU came out Q3'12 |
| 15:51.29 | somiaj | xmxxs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto |
| 15:51.43 | CountryfiedLinux | pmo, no, probably stick with Ubuntu for now. |
| 15:51.43 | pmo | CountryfiedLinux, too old? :P |
| 15:51.46 | somiaj | xmxxs: read down where it says 'sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 15:52.02 | somiaj | xmxxs: then set the options 'options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL' |
| 15:52.06 | CountryfiedLinux | pmo, Yes, the cut-off for new packages was before my graphics card came out. |
| 15:52.10 | pmo | the latest kernel on jessie seems to think my system is too new tho lol |
| 15:52.12 | somiaj | you may have to play around (or use google for your laptop) to figure out the best model for your |
| 15:52.36 | pmo | any my whole machine is 2013 |
| 15:52.53 | pmo | no issue with graphics, but im using nvidia |
| 15:52.54 | pmo | not amd |
| 15:53.00 | somiaj | pmo: welcome to testing, have you checked the bts? |
| 15:53.15 | pmo | somiaj, it will be fixed |
| 15:53.26 | pmo | for now i just use the kernel that was released just before it |
| 15:53.38 | pmo | i dont have time to look into the kernel panic it gives me |
| 15:53.52 | somiaj | CountryfiedLinux: in many cases backports fix that issue. whezzy is still young but newer kernels, xorg and video drivers are common backports so the 'stable is to old for my hardware' is not as bad as it use to be |
| 15:54.22 | somiaj | pmo: yea the 3.10 kernel in sid conficlited with my video drivers. I had to patch the non-free nvidia drivers to get it to work. |
| 15:54.49 | pmo | oh might be whats wrong with mine then somiaj |
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| 15:55.10 | pmo | i'll look into it, in the weekend |
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| 15:55.31 | pmo | doing martial arts 5 days a week for now.. to tired in my head hehe |
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| 15:57.14 | CountryfiedLinux | somiaj, I looked up my graphics with lspci and it didn't mention intel b830 which is what it is, its cpu integrated |
| 15:57.23 | capox | pmo sounds like you need to rest |
| 15:57.45 | pmo | i will in weekends |
| 15:58.00 | pmo | then i can peacefully fix that kernel panic |
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| 15:58.13 | pmo | somiaj, can i highlight you in the weekend? |
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| 15:59.08 | CountryfiedLinux | where in here is my GPU? http://pastebin.com/arJH6rGi |
| 15:59.20 | capox | off topic note: ime you always need one day of rest after training to make training effective! |
| 15:59.47 | pmo | im not doing the same kind everyday |
| 16:00.29 | pmo | of training that is |
| 16:00.54 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: line 3 |
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| 16:01.36 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: lspci -nn would have shown the pci-id numbers as well |
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| 16:02.36 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, so 80:86 01:06? |
| 16:02.50 | xmxxs | somiaj: Brb, going to try this |
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| 16:03.09 | jelly | judd: xorg 8086:0106 |
| 16:03.10 | judd | Device 8086:0106 is not matched by any xorg drivers in wheezy or sid. |
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| 16:03.35 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, That's kinda confusing, or just a really long name for a gpu :-/ |
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| 16:03.48 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: if I interpreted what you wrote correctly, no drivers yet |
| 16:04.31 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, Ok thanks. Maybe next testing release. |
| 16:05.30 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, But in line 3, how would that be written as a gpu model number? I don't see what could be interpreted as a model number. For future reference. |
| 16:06.00 | CountryfiedLinux | oh its line 4 I see now jelly |
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| 16:07.15 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly, you're right, intel c210 not available. Works fine in Ubuntu, so assuming next Debian testing? |
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| 16:15.03 | daveeejr | i am using wheezy/gnome3 and i want to take about 10 pictures and put each one as a different page in a pdf, so basically just make an album. i am new to linux. is there an easy way to do this? |
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| 16:16.40 | xmxxs | http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=73e0618723340ed21a7fccb6539a4d9cca700b5e I'm still having a headphone / speaker sound issue where they both play sound at the same time |
| 16:17.39 | xmxxs | I added "options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf like I was told, but nothing |
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| 16:21.47 | JordiGH | I'm on a foreign network that blocks all ports except 80 and 443. I have an ssh server somewhere running in 443, and I'm trying to tunnel through it to get to another OpenVPN server (convoluted, I know). The only way I know how to connect to an OpenVPN server is using network-manager. Is there some CLI way to establish an OpenVPN connection, so that I can feed this command to tsocks? |
| 16:21.54 | JordiGH | wants to get behind 7 proxies. |
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| 16:22.55 | capox | daveeejr: you might want to use libre office |
| 16:23.19 | capox | daveeejr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgC1jquT5wQ |
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| 16:23.53 | daveeejr | thanks cabox |
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| 16:24.44 | JordiGH | Aha, /usr/sbin/openvpn |
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| 16:25.13 | daveeejr | gonna just use libre office impress |
| 16:25.24 | nkuttler | JordiGH: yeah.. funny people who block all outgoing ports.. |
| 16:25.44 | nkuttler | should set himself up some sshd on :80 |
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| 16:26.03 | JordiGH | nkuttler: I think 443 is less conspicuous. If they see encrypted traffic, they just think it's SSL. |
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| 16:26.08 | nkuttler | JordiGH: yeah, right |
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| 16:26.24 | JordiGH | Huh, so openvpn seems to have connected... |
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| 16:26.30 | JordiGH | Tue Aug 20 12:24:24 2013 Initialization Sequence Completed |
| 16:26.47 | JordiGH | Still don't seem to actually be on the VPN... at least my VPN DNS isn't working. |
| 16:26.58 | nkuttler | i once had to reverse tunnel a server because only outgoing traffic was allowed for security reasons, of course that meant no downloading of security updates.. |
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| 16:27.14 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Yeah, reverse ssh is a nice parlour trick. |
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| 16:27.35 | dado3 | ciao |
| 16:27.37 | dado3 | !list |
| 16:27.38 | dpkg | dado3: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:32.33 | travisgriggs | i need to run a little python tcp server as a service in debian, what's the current recommended way to do that? is it still just copy/modify an existing /etc/init.d script? or is there a more elegant way to do that kind of thing now days? |
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| 16:34.00 | Charli | try `supervisor` |
| 16:34.01 | cthuluh | travisgriggs: I like to use runit (http://www.smarden.org/runit/) for custom services ; usually it's a matter of a two lines script |
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| 16:36.51 | james41382 | I'm working on a little sh script for init.d to mount my windows system truecrypt partition at boot. Can somebody help me resolve this error? -> http://paste.debian.net/27583/ |
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| 16:39.01 | DNS | wo0t gnome-shell is atm very broken in sid, at least for me |
| 16:39.21 | DNS | opening "the activity window" causes a freeze |
| 16:39.24 | DNS | :o |
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| 16:39.31 | james41382 | I downloaded this script from someone web page and I have been editing it to work with my system, but I'm fairly new to linux and haven't done any shell scripting yet. I am a cs student though so I have done some programming. Anyways.. it looks like maybe it warning that the settings in the script don't coincide with the system defaults. Does this make it more of a warning than a error? Should I change the default settings in the s |
| 16:39.31 | james41382 | cript? |
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| 16:40.22 | musca | DNS: yes, here too, in a virtualbox VM. |
| 16:40.58 | DNS | but weechat fortunetly also worx without gui |
| 16:41.02 | DNS | hehe :) |
| 16:41.34 | DNS | but also installed xfce4 here |
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| 16:42.17 | musca | DNS: resizing the virtualbox window lets the activity windows disappear and everything's fine again. |
| 16:42.49 | DNS | hmm before this activity window problem there was another issue that all menus were gettin black suddenly |
| 16:42.58 | DNS | like a blackout on my desktop heh |
| 16:43.39 | musca | DNS: alt-F2 is also bad, it locks the screen to let you concentrate on your input field. silly thing. |
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| 16:44.00 | DNS | :D |
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| 16:44.51 | DNS | musca: and killin gnome-shell doesnt help? |
| 16:45.32 | DNS | killin gnome-shell should just restart the shell, while killin gnome-session will be new login |
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| 16:46.08 | musca | well, as i can't start any programs i can easly kill the session without anything lost, but is that a help? |
| 16:46.29 | DNS | tru |
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| 16:47.27 | vlitzer | Hello |
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| 16:47.51 | vlitzer | Does anyone knows how to start gnome fallback without gdm? |
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| 16:48.28 | musca | DNS: i will switch over to #debian-next on oftc.net for this matter. |
| 16:48.29 | DNS | vlitzer: just install another windowsmanager and choose it as default |
| 16:48.40 | DNS | musca: oki:) |
| 16:49.26 | TBjoe | hey, I am thinking about switching from windows to debian (actually I used it for a few weeks some years ago but I don't remember much) and now I got some questions before I'm going to install it. first one: how "unstable" is testing? I think the stable version does not really suit me but I'd like to know how many problems I have to expect when using "testing" |
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| 16:50.58 | DNS | TBjoe: testing should be ok for desktop experience imho |
| 16:51.08 | DNS | just for servers it might be a bit "risky" |
| 16:51.31 | DNS | (all ubuntu versions are based on debian testing versions) |
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| 16:52.19 | TBjoe | okay that sounds good :) |
| 16:53.34 | DNS | one great plus with usin testing is you then have a "rolling release" |
| 16:53.50 | DNS | means you need never upgrade to a new debian version :D |
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| 16:54.47 | TBjoe | yeah and I can use software that is up-to-date :) |
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| 16:55.12 | DNS | most up2date is sid, but its unstable |
| 16:55.29 | jelly-home | TBjoe: I'd take "has security fixes" in stable over "up-to-date" in testing |
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| 16:56.16 | jelly-home | TBjoe: particularly during the "freeze" period of debian development process |
| 16:56.38 | jelly-home | !freeze |
| 16:56.39 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 16:56.50 | DNS | ok thats a good point |
| 16:57.05 | DNS | the freeze period can be quiet long... |
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| 16:57.35 | vlitzer | DNS thanks |
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| 16:58.10 | DNS | vlitzer: yw |
| 16:58.14 | TBjoe | jelly-home: So you say I shouldn't use testing? |
| 16:58.18 | jelly-home | TBjoe: that's 10+ months of delayed security fixes |
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| 16:58.35 | jelly-home | TBjoe: I'm saying you should know what you're getting into, if you decide to use it |
| 16:58.56 | TBjoe | can't I use it and get security fixes during the freeze? |
| 16:59.10 | jelly-home | there are none |
| 16:59.55 | jelly-home | there's no focus on the fixes coming it time. For the stable release, there's a whole team taking care of those. |
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| 17:00.21 | DNS | while the freeze period you could switch to unstable and then when the new release comes out and testing is not anymore in freze you could downgrade to testing again < lol jk but maybe possible |
| 17:00.22 | TBjoe | I don't understand it I thought at the freeze the developers look at the testing branch and make this one stable? |
| 17:00.36 | jelly-home | that is correct |
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| 17:01.22 | rulet | Is it possible to build somehow this sources for amd64 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21108895/gither.tar.gz ? It is just a small program for editing icons themes. The developer doesn't support it already for a long time. |
| 17:01.22 | rulet | Here is what I've tried to do http://pastie.org/8253822 |
| 17:01.44 | TBjoe | jelly-home: So where is the problem? I have testing, they are fixing testing |
| 17:02.02 | jelly-home | TBjoe: but sometimes it takes time to pick the correct approach in fixing a certain issue in testing, while stable gets a quick patch as soon as possible |
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| 17:02.31 | jelly-home | TBjoe: you can end up waiting weeks-months for a fix to appear in testing |
| 17:02.47 | TBjoe | ah okay I get it now I think ... so they are fixing the old stable but for the new stable they are taking their time? |
| 17:02.52 | DNS | or you help fixing :D |
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| 17:03.00 | jelly-home | or it might arrive soon. The point is, there's no guarantee |
| 17:03.28 | TBjoe | yes ok that is a good point against testing |
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| 17:04.04 | TBjoe | but I'm not sure if stable is good for me |
| 17:04.24 | DNS | im on unstable... but have to deal with some issues sometimes, like atm the gnome-shell is broken |
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| 17:04.39 | DNS | so i would suggest unstable only to exprienced users |
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| 17:04.56 | TBjoe | yeah I don't want to have too many problems :) |
| 17:04.59 | DNS | (this doesnt mean that i am very eperienced tho :D) |
| 17:05.29 | james41382 | Is there a way to pause the start up process so that I can use a text based program interactive for a few seconds? Like to enter a password? |
| 17:05.37 | confusid | <-- has stable as main then runs vm's of testing and unstable while learning how to unbreak what breaks 0_o |
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| 17:06.29 | TBjoe | how old in average is the software in stable compared to testing? |
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| 17:06.55 | DNS | hmm |
| 17:06.59 | capox | hard q |
| 17:07.03 | DNS | yep |
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| 17:07.15 | capox | 1-48 months? |
| 17:07.21 | musca | TBjoe: Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. |
| 17:07.41 | ezra-s | I'd say... older :P |
| 17:07.42 | socomm | james41382: add your script to the start-up process |
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| 17:08.18 | TBjoe | hmm I don't have any experience with stable and testing ... I'm not sure if old software is too much of a restriction for a desktop system |
| 17:08.20 | james41382 | socomm: I thought I did, but I'll do it again. |
| 17:08.46 | DNS | now #debian has 1337 users :> |
| 17:08.52 | socomm | TBjoe: there are backports |
| 17:09.18 | TBjoe | hmm right I read about that. Should probably read more about it:) |
| 17:09.33 | TBjoe | so stable + backports is a good solution? |
| 17:09.48 | DNS | TBjoe: depends on your needs, but can be yes |
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| 17:10.11 | TBjoe | well I can't tell you about my needs yet :) |
| 17:10.22 | DNS | then try it out :D |
| 17:10.45 | DNS | start with stable if you dont like it you can upgrade anytime |
| 17:10.57 | TBjoe | yeah right that sounds reasonable |
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| 17:11.04 | confusid | there were some things I wanted and ended up pulling them from sid to stable. couple times broke my system couple times didn't. Always options :) |
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| 17:12.02 | capox | always, with debian |
| 17:12.07 | musca | TBjoe: yes, try stable. If you feel like wanting to play with testing system just fire up a virtual machine. It's easy. |
| 17:12.38 | TBjoe | okay I'll give it a try then. Maybe I don't notice the old software as much as I think I will |
| 17:13.16 | socomm | TBjoe: alot of the newer DEs are pretty bad anyways. There's always a VM option (run unstable in VM for web browsing and such). |
| 17:13.45 | whitegirl | Hi, I have an issue booting debian. I'm getting "Missing Operating System" when I boot. I recently installed extlinux, removed grub2, executed extlinux-update, made sure the /boot partition was marked active, then rebooted into this error |
| 17:13.55 | socomm | Not to mention segmenting off your web browsing to a VM can be little more secure. |
| 17:13.55 | TBjoe | DE = desktop environment? |
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| 17:14.03 | socomm | TBjoe: yes |
| 17:14.16 | TBjoe | okay I will use fluxbox or IceWM or something similiar anyway |
| 17:14.29 | TBjoe | I never liked KDE, Gnome etc |
| 17:15.08 | DNS | TBjoe: what about xfce or lxde? |
| 17:15.08 | socomm | whitegirl: sounds like your MBR is borked |
| 17:15.12 | jelly-home | dunno, xfce is conservative enough for my "I liked windows 2000" needs |
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| 17:15.31 | TBjoe | xfce is also an option :) |
| 17:15.38 | capox | prefers openbox |
| 17:15.42 | TBjoe | and I don't know much about lxde yet |
| 17:15.44 | socomm | <3s cinnamon |
| 17:15.56 | DNS | lxde is very light |
| 17:16.01 | xmxxs_ | whitegirl: Missing Operating System? |
| 17:16.15 | whitegirl | socomm: Yes, but I did a "dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1", which I believe is all required to get syslinux installed on the boot sector part of the harddrive |
| 17:16.36 | TBjoe | I'll try some of them out and choose the one that I like best |
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| 17:16.53 | xmxxs_ | Isn't the MBR the first 512? |
| 17:17.01 | TBjoe | well thank you so far, I'm gonna eat something and maybe ask some more questions later :p |
| 17:17.03 | whitegirl | xmxxs_: Yes, exactly this error: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Problems#Missing_Operating_System_.28mbr.bin.29 Yet the partition is marked bootable which had me confused |
| 17:17.04 | socomm | TBjoe: out of your list I like fluxbox the most, lxde not so much |
| 17:17.40 | whitegirl | xmxxs_: MBR is the first 440 I believe. The other between 440 and 512 is reserved for the partition table I think |
| 17:17.47 | TBjoe | socomm: but IceWM looked very good on screenshots and doesn't need as much configuration as fluxbox as far as I can tell |
| 17:17.50 | jelly-home | whitegirl: but that dd would have killed the code which passed control to the bootable partition |
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| 17:18.27 | musca | xmxxs_: the partitiontable starts at offset 446 in the mbr |
| 17:18.27 | hayuto | hi |
| 17:19.06 | hayuto | i accidently made a typo in /etc/pam.d/sshd on my server and now i cant login |
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| 17:19.10 | hayuto | what do i do'/ |
| 17:19.12 | hayuto | ? |
| 17:19.22 | capox | hayuto: walk to the server? |
| 17:19.26 | hayuto | haha |
| 17:19.28 | hayuto | right |
| 17:19.33 | socomm | hayuto: if you've closed your ssh connection you'll need physical console |
| 17:19.44 | socomm | hayuto: IP KVM help for the lazy ones |
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| 17:19.55 | whitegirl | jelly-home: What do you mean killed the code? |
| 17:19.56 | jelly-home | hayuto: log in at the console? |
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| 17:20.30 | jelly-home | whitegirl: you deleted the previous mbr boot loader code with that dd |
| 17:20.43 | socomm | hayuto: PRO TIP: when working with SSH never disconnect until you verify connectivity from seperate session. |
| 17:20.59 | jelly-home | PRO TIP: make backups |
| 17:21.13 | jelly-home | PRO TIP: verify backups actually work |
| 17:21.15 | whitegirl | jelly-home: Yes, the previous one I was assuming to still be grub's MBR code, so I replaced that with syslinux |
| 17:21.24 | jelly-home | whitegirl: after dd? |
| 17:21.29 | socomm | and yeah 'cp sshd-config sshd-config.bak' won't hurt either |
| 17:21.33 | hayuto | ok thanks |
| 17:22.02 | whitegirl | jelly-home: I thought that dd writes the syslinux boot code to the MBR, so I didn't do anything after that |
| 17:22.13 | DNS | i was able some disk fukkups with testdisk, also fixin mbr but not sure if this can help you, whitegirl |
| 17:22.32 | DNS | *able to fix some... |
| 17:22.34 | socomm | I don't know, icewm was never my thing. |
| 17:22.50 | jelly-home | whitegirl: oh, right. Dunno, I use extlinux on days grub decides not to like me |
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| 17:24.31 | whitegirl | jelly-home: I have another OS with syslinux as boot loader, and the difference I can tell from that and Debian is that debian seems to put the syslinux config in /boot/extlinux/linux.cfg, instead of /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg. I'm not sure of this matters |
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| 17:26.35 | jhutchins | whitegirl: That's an example of why just because two distributions use software of the same name doesn't mean you can apply knowledge of one to the other. Same name, different options. |
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| 17:34.16 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, i have problems with re-syncing my harddrive after one of the disk's failed. I use "mdadm /dev/md3 --add /dev/sda4" and it runs to 33% and then fail. and this is written to /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/5R0Yfwb0 |
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| 17:35.29 | xmxxs_ | Krigsforbryter: "Medium error" sounds like a failed disk |
| 17:35.56 | nkuttler | indeed |
| 17:36.13 | Krigsforbryter | hmm :/ |
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| 17:37.07 | Krigsforbryter | so i Cant sync it into the working disk? |
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| 17:38.03 | james41382 | I'm having trouble with getting an init.d script to work properly. I have the script working properly using invoke-rc.d <script> start/stop, but it does not work properly during boot and I am getting some warnings when using update-rc.d <script> defaults. Can anyone help me please? |
| 17:38.14 | xmxxs_ | I don't mess with RAID arrays, but that's what it looks like to me. |
| 17:38.16 | musca | DNS: are you also using a virtual machine (with gnome-shell)? |
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| 17:43.53 | _Wind | Wondering whether I should install the stable, or testing debian... |
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| 17:45.32 | onethfour3 | i have wheezy installed on a vmworkstation vm and normally it grabs the same IP address, but for some reason i cannot connect, how do i fix the network via root? |
| 17:45.44 | Pudge | _Wind: depends on ur usage |
| 17:45.57 | musca | _Wind: stable is new and shiny, plus: it has the newest longterm support kernel 3.10 in its backports repo |
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| 17:46.34 | _Wind | Just for regular desktop use. I'll go with stable. |
| 17:47.01 | Pudge | _Wind: for regular desktop, i recommand testing, |
| 17:47.01 | onethfour3 | how do i determine my ip address? |
| 17:47.30 | Pudge | _Wind: or even Sid, its already much more stable than ubuntu, |
| 17:47.34 | jhutchins | _Wind: Install testing if you want to help test the next releas an fix breakage that new packages cause. |
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| 17:47.42 | Pudge | _Wind: don't be scared by the "unstable" name |
| 17:47.54 | xmxxs_ | onethfour3: curl ifconfig.me/ip |
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| 17:48.18 | jhutchins | Pudge: New users especially should not use testing. Only users already familiar with the deb package system and how to resolve broken packages should be using it. It is not intended for every day use. |
| 17:48.31 | jhutchins | Pudge: Many people get away with it - until it breaks. |
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| 17:48.42 | onethfour3 | xmxxs_: no my network ip |
| 17:48.50 | xmxxs_ | iwconfig / ifconfig |
| 17:48.54 | _Wind | I'm coming from Arch btw, so I have no experience with deb. |
| 17:48.57 | jhutchins | _Wind: When it is broken, there is no urgency to get it running quickly, but the priority is to find a long-term fix. |
| 17:49.26 | jhutchins | Pudge: Please don't recommend testing to new users, even if you've never had problems with it. |
| 17:49.29 | Pudge | jhutchins: it depens on ur personality, if ur just need a system that can "run", it's ok, |
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| 17:49.43 | jhutchins | Pudge: testing also does not get priority security fixes. |
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| 17:50.16 | jhutchins | Pudge: It's fine - if you know how to fix problems and can stand downtime. |
| 17:50.24 | onethfour3 | ok my ip address is the same, but i can't putty it or access it with port 80, do you think the network admin blocked some ports? |
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| 17:51.20 | jhutchins | onethfour3: nmap |
| 17:51.28 | onethfour3 | what is nmap? |
| 17:51.33 | Pudge | jhutchins: yeah, I agree with u that testing also does smthing shit, but stable is more suitable for the server usage |
| 17:52.05 | ezra-s | onethfour3, man nmap, it's a port scanner |
| 17:52.18 | Pudge | jhutchins: for regualar desktop, testing is already stable enough, comparing to ubuntu/ windows 7 /fedora/ arch ...etc |
| 17:52.21 | onethfour3 | you mean try to nmap to my machine? |
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| 17:53.35 | ezra-s | onethfour3, if it's a vm first try to find out which method are you using in the configuration of the vm for network access to the host network |
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| 17:53.46 | onethfour3 | i'm using bridged like i always do |
| 17:53.51 | ezra-s | if it is bridged you probably will use dhcp |
| 17:53.56 | onethfour3 | and it has worked fine until this morning |
| 17:54.04 | onethfour3 | no its not dhcp, i'm specifying the ip address |
| 17:54.12 | onethfour3 | i think the network atdmins are blocking a bunch of ports |
| 17:54.14 | ezra-s | onethfour3, bridged does not use the same ip as host |
| 17:54.19 | onethfour3 | i know that |
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| 17:54.31 | onethfour3 | it gets the ip address fine |
| 17:54.33 | onethfour3 | thats not the problem |
| 17:54.37 | onethfour3 | the problem no ports are available |
| 17:54.41 | ezra-s | you should be able to ping your host, can't you? |
| 17:54.48 | onethfour3 | nope not even ping |
| 17:55.17 | ezra-s | check /var/log/syslog in case there are any errors reported there |
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| 17:55.46 | ezra-s | do "ifconfig" make sure you are in the same network as your host |
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| 17:56.52 | ezra-s | "ip a" also work to check ip and network mask |
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| 17:58.54 | ezra-s | also make sure you havent updated vmware-tools or anything in the host and not doing the proper upgrade in the vm |
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| 17:59.56 | onethfour3 | actually i installed virtual box, that said it had some networking messing around to do |
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| 18:00.37 | ezra-s | it bridged is not working for you, you may find nat safer |
| 18:00.49 | onethfour3 | i have to use bridged |
| 18:00.52 | onethfour3 | that gives me my own IP |
| 18:00.56 | onethfour3 | for that vm |
| 18:00.58 | ezra-s | as it is hidden for others in the network and uses the host connection |
| 18:01.08 | onethfour3 | i understand that, and thats not what i need |
| 18:01.12 | ezra-s | ok |
| 18:01.32 | onethfour3 | i also can't access ftp |
| 18:03.27 | smw | what is the fastest way to make a small static debian repo? |
| 18:03.53 | ezra-s | onethfour3, can you access anything at all? you should start from that |
| 18:04.04 | onethfour3 | i just tried wget and no i cannot |
| 18:04.08 | onethfour3 | the most i can see is my ip address |
| 18:04.24 | smw | I am backporting packages and just want to throw a bunch of packages into a folder, generate some metadata, and be done |
| 18:05.12 | ezra-s | onethfour3, are the virtualbox modules correctly loaded in the host? |
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| 18:06.46 | jhutchins | Netflix on Linux: https://launchpad.net/pipelight |
| 18:06.50 | capox | Hey whats the nicest way of automating install of certain packages after install? |
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| 18:07.50 | Michael_JJ | Hi there, I have a little problem with the nvidia driver under Wheezy. I used the tutorial found on wiki.debian.org but every time after I install the nvidia driver my xorg doesn't start so I need to remove de nvidia driver and reboot the system in order to startx. Can anyone help me? |
| 18:07.53 | jhutchins | capox: preeseed |
| 18:08.01 | jhutchins | !tell capox about preseed |
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| 18:09.01 | capox | let me emphasize *after* install |
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| 18:11.51 | capox | - aside from writing a shell script that attempts to apt-get install each package |
| 18:12.16 | jhutchins | capox: So you not only want an incorrect answer, you want a SPECIFIC incorrect answer? |
| 18:12.19 | capox | I am trying to ensure that certain packages are installed despite the differences between os versions |
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| 18:14.05 | onethfour3 | ezra-s: its win7, i just did an install, i dont know |
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| 18:15.48 | capox | jhutchins: I am trying to figure out what you refer to but cannot |
| 18:16.01 | capox | you mean preseed can be used post-install? |
| 18:16.03 | jhutchins | onethfour3: It sounds like you need to communicate with the people running your host or environment. |
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| 18:18.23 | jhutchins | capox: You have given us too little information for us to give you a more useful answer. If you're building multiple machines within a similar environment or for a similar purpose, you should be using preseed to build them, and you can just put the packages in the software list. If you're doing something else, and want to do the package install outside of the installer, you're going to be using some sort of shell script. |
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| 18:19.29 | somiaj | pmo: check the bts, that is where I got the patch and the info about the combadability issue with the 3.10 kernel |
| 18:21.09 | capox | So, is there a way to make apt install 'install sets' that wont fail at first unavailable package? |
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| 18:22.02 | TBjoe | on debian.org they always use "apt-get" but I thought they recommend "aptitude"? |
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| 18:22.44 | jhutchins | !why aptitude |
| 18:22.44 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 18:22.46 | capox | apt-get is one facility of apt, and aptitude is the high level interface |
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| 18:23.34 | nkuttler | TBjoe: recommendations also change from time to time.. |
| 18:23.40 | jhutchins | TBjoe: aptitude does more thorough dependency resolution. Because of this, it has in the past gotten caught in dependency loops on upgrades, so apt-get is preferred. |
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| 18:23.49 | nkuttler | TBjoe: personally i use apt-get 99% of the time |
| 18:23.53 | capox | actually finds that apt-get has "ignore missing" flag |
| 18:24.19 | nkuttler | i hear some people still prefer dselect |
| 18:24.45 | TBjoe | hmm ok |
| 18:25.10 | capox | long time ago I attempted making dselect install sets but that never worked for me |
| 18:25.26 | capox | (like, woody) |
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| 18:28.26 | azerus | if I use require_membership_of in the pam_winbind config, it works unless the user in AD has "User must change password at next logon" flag enabled, then it ignores the requirements |
| 18:28.27 | azerus | has anyone experienced this before? |
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| 18:31.41 | Jonuz | How I enable that I switch to already opened software without going thought Activities? |
| 18:31.46 | Jonuz | Like in gnome classic |
| 18:31.56 | Jonuz | In gnome-shell |
| 18:32.26 | whitegirl | debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-rescue.iso is using 100% CPU after it has booted. This is probably a bug... |
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| 18:39.56 | TBjoe | what do you guys think about linux mint debian? |
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| 18:42.12 | james41382 | I have setup a small script for init.d and it is working properly, but it is the last thing executed during boot and it requires the user to input a password. The focus changes to x before I can input the password so each time I have to go back to tty1 put it in and then back to tty7 or whatever. Is there a way to make the start up process wait until I've input the password? |
| 18:42.56 | james41382 | I think these things are run in parallel.. so I'm thinking no, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask! =] |
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| 18:44.29 | capox | TBjoe: unknown |
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| 18:45.13 | jordanm | james41382: that will work if all scripts after it declare a dependency on it |
| 18:45.40 | james41382 | jordanm: There is nothing after it. |
| 18:46.12 | jordanm | it sounds like you don't want to to be last |
| 18:46.38 | jordanm | generally, init scripts shouldn't require passwords |
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| 18:46.49 | james41382 | I was thinking something along those lines. I'm still very new to linux and I'm just fumbling through it. |
| 18:47.28 | jordanm | james41382: what is the password for? |
| 18:47.33 | james41382 | jordanm: I have this system dual booting with win8 and wheezy. I am trying to get it so that the truecrypt windows partition gets mounted at boot for all users. |
| 18:47.54 | james41382 | win8 has truecrypt and wheezy and dm-crypt/lvm2 |
| 18:47.59 | james41382 | has* |
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| 18:48.31 | jordanm | !truecrypt |
| 18:48.35 | dpkg | TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under the DFSG definition) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, <ITP> filed as bug #364034. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
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| 18:49.49 | james41382 | jordanm: I don't understand.. |
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| 18:53.11 | Vicissitude | perhaps one of the forums has more info about it |
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| 18:56.18 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I have been working on it for a couple hours this morning. It's not a huge deal and maybe it's *not* related to debian in the perception of some, but really the question is related to init.d not truecrypt so I thought maybe I could get some help here. No big deal. |
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| 18:57.56 | capox | memory use q -- suppose a minimal ssh server -- how much minimum? |
| 18:58.11 | james41382 | I have been looking around on the web and haven't come across much.. but I'll keep looking.. =] |
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| 18:59.09 | lwjack | Does anyone know any cheap Debian VPS providers in Europe? |
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| 19:01.10 | djmitche | in sources.list, is there any notion of multiple mirrors of the same repo, such that if one of several is down it's not an error? |
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| 19:02.58 | dondelelcaro | djmitche: no, but we do have round robins which correct for that. |
| 19:04.01 | babilen | djmitche: I would recommend to use a mirror such as http.debian.net, cdn.debian.net or one of that many region specific mirrors such as ftp.CC.debian.org (CC being your countries' code such as uk, de, tw, hk, us, au, ...) |
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| 19:08.21 | capox | lwjack: google knows |
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| 19:09.56 | sweb | my bash autocmplete not work ... how can i fix it ? |
| 19:10.11 | sweb | apt-get inst[TAB] not work :( |
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| 19:11.02 | epsilon | implement it |
| 19:11.42 | djmitche | I'm running my own mirrors.. are round-robins a client thing, or do you mean DNS round robin? |
| 19:11.51 | whitegirl | lwjack: Ask in #lowendbox |
| 19:11.51 | sweb | epsilon: what did you mean ? apt-get install bash-completion ... already installed |
| 19:12.24 | `vesrah | you can't autocomplete package names like that |
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| 19:16.24 | djmitche | dondelelcaro: background is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=906785 - when one of my seven internal mirrors go down, 'apt-get update' stops running successfully. I'm hoping there's a way to avoid that. |
| 19:16.52 | jmcnaught | sweb: bash autocompletion works if you use "su -" to do a login shell |
| 19:17.36 | epsilon | you can't tab-complete an option |
| 19:18.37 | jmcnaught | epsilon: after "su -" apt-get in<TAB> completes to install |
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| 19:20.56 | dondelelcaro | djmitche: right, that's basically to be expected |
| 19:21.42 | djmitche | the apt-get source has a bunch of work to flag "transient" errors and only warn, but that doesn't seem to work.. |
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| 19:25.13 | djmitche | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720345 |
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| 19:26.30 | dondelelcaro | djmitche: yeah... though what you probably really want is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426402[6~ |
| 19:26.39 | dondelelcaro | err, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426402 |
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| 19:28.32 | djmitche | well, that's just asking for better syntax, but implies that "duplicate the entire series of Debian repos for each mirror" works |
| 19:28.37 | djmitche | so I think they're two bugs |
| 19:31.11 | dondelelcaro | djmitche: right, it's two bugs, I'm just saying that you'd actually prefer a fix for #426402 in addition |
| 19:31.32 | djmitche | sure - while I have my magic wand out :) |
| 19:31.33 | dondelelcaro | of course, considering that it's been suggested for a very long time I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 19:32.06 | djmitche | no, I won't |
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| 19:40.13 | lwjack | whitegirl: thanks :D |
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| 19:44.26 | jhutchins | whitegirl: Still 100%? |
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| 19:45.24 | jhutchins | capox: Google probably also knows the minimum ram for Debian. |
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| 19:47.56 | SerajewelKS | my google-fu is failing me here. is there a tool in debian that will read in a UTF-8 encoded XML file and turn all non-ASCII characters into XML unicode escape sequences, such that the output can be read as ASCII? |
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| 19:51.37 | SerajewelKS | of course i find the solution right after asking. 'xmllint --format' appears to do this escaping |
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| 19:53.44 | SerajewelKS | hmm, actually it does not :( |
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| 19:54.38 | TBjoe | can you recommand a good reference for debian? it should be up to date and explain all core elements of debian / linux in an understandable way (for people that have not that much experience with linux)? |
| 19:54.48 | SerajewelKS | 'xmllint --encoding ASCII' does seem to work |
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| 19:56.35 | capox | TBjoe: google? |
| 19:56.39 | capox | lel |
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| 19:56.58 | capox | I usually end up in stackoverflow or serverfault, or *gasp* man -pages |
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| 20:00.18 | capox | SerajewelKS: something is wrong there |
| 20:00.49 | capox | SerajewelKS: you want the xml file to be converted from utf8 to ascii |
| 20:02.03 | SerajewelKS | capox: pardon? |
| 20:02.16 | capox | SerajewelKS: you might want to test jEdit + xml plug or Jaxe first |
| 20:02.29 | SerajewelKS | capox: that is basically what i want, yes... and it works. so i don't know what would be wrong. |
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| 20:03.06 | capox | but I believe the content transformation of xml string from utf8 to ascii with escape sequences would imply an xslt transformation |
| 20:03.24 | capox | #xml ;) |
| 20:03.29 | SerajewelKS | uh? |
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| 20:04.01 | capox | off topic - go to #xml and ask and you will surely have good advice |
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| 20:04.36 | SerajewelKS | the goal was to convert unicode characters into their XML-escaped equivalent (&#nnnn;). "xmllint --encode ASCII" does this exactly, and any XML parser worth its salt will decode entities. so i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. |
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| 20:05.19 | axisys | is there mysql 5.5 pkg with sphinxse compiled in? |
| 20:05.29 | capox | I also dont understand why you ask this in #debian |
| 20:05.36 | capox | ^ SerajewelKS |
| 20:05.45 | SerajewelKS | capox: because i was looking for a tool in debian. and i did find one (xmllint). |
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| 20:10.43 | axisys | capox: i installed mysql 5.5 pkg.. but to enable sphinxse engine need to compile from source.. unless there is a version of mysql 5.5 pkg in debian has it |
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| 20:11.02 | axisys | capox: oops.. that was not for me :-) |
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| 20:13.43 | jhutchins | axisys: I think that that's a sufficiently narrow, specialized use and you should expect to have to (re)compile the option for yourself. The majority of mysql users just use the default engine. |
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| 20:14.33 | axisys | jhutchins: ok.. I wonder if I recompile should I need to remove the mysql pkg |
| 20:14.47 | axisys | jhutchins: may be place it on different path.. right? |
| 20:15.04 | axisys | or run two instance of mysql |
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| 20:17.22 | jhutchins | !recompile |
| 20:17.23 | dpkg | recompile is, like, Why have the source available for a kernel if your not going to use it? Dont fear the code, fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to The Dark side (aka windows) |
| 20:17.32 | jhutchins | Harumph. |
| 20:18.19 | jhutchins | axisys: What you do is you take the debian source package, change the options, and rebuild the binary package with your options, then install it. |
| 20:18.37 | jhutchins | axisys: Not really any reason to keep the stock mysql around if you need different options. |
| 20:19.33 | nkuttler | heh.. why are there three lua interpreters packaged.. 50, 5.1 and 5.2... |
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| 20:19.48 | jhutchins | axisys: Somewhere there's a factoid about recompiling for different options, I can't seem to find it today;. |
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| 20:20.57 | deb | hi |
| 20:21.04 | shogun | happy belated 20th birthday debian! |
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| 20:28.07 | axisys | wow. dpkg bot has too much to drink.. hehe.. I do compile stuff.. I used to compile solaris pkgs before.. it is fun and I have not used windows since 2005 or so.. :-) |
| 20:28.53 | zerick | Does anybody uses or knows OCFS2 ? |
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| 20:29.42 | capox | Is there a command to add user to sudoers file |
| 20:30.18 | LoRez | capox: if the sudo or admin group have sudoers access... adduser $user $group # works. |
| 20:30.56 | axisys | jhutchins: let me know if you find the factoid before my google does.. that would be better than compiling from source. I rather use the debian version and then just add --with-sphinx-storage-engine and rebuild the pkg |
| 20:31.14 | axisys | jhutchins: based on this http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/current.html#sphinxse-installing |
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| 20:32.18 | capox | Ok, userx is already a member of group sudo? but upon sudoing, "userx is not in the sudoers file..." |
| 20:32.40 | LoRez | then the sudo group is not in sudoers |
| 20:33.00 | jhutchins | axisys: Try wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:33.27 | jhutchins | capox: has userx logged out and logged back in since joining the group? |
| 20:33.48 | capox | no |
| 20:33.59 | capox | ic |
| 20:34.18 | LoRez | yeah, group membership only changes when you log in. |
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| 20:38.45 | cheater__ | hi |
| 20:38.49 | capox | Is there something better than htop in the stable? |
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| 20:41.36 | ollie_ | I've got a debian box that I ssh into, if I leave it long enough without doing anything, it freezes. I can't quit the ssh with ctrl c, and typing anything does nothing. How do I fix this? |
| 20:42.14 | axisys | jhutchins: site:wiki.debian.org compile mysql with sphinx did not give much.. still looking for different search terms |
| 20:42.52 | capox | ollie_: you mean your ssh conn freezes? |
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| 20:42.59 | cheater__ | i am having trouble setting up a dsa private key for ssh auth. i generated my key using: openssl dsaparam -out dsaparam.pem 1024; openssl gendsa -des3 -out root.pem dsaparam.pem; openssl dsa -in root.pem -pubout -out root.pek; then I copied the contents of the .pek to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, removed the BEGIN/END lines, removed newlines, and added "ssh-dsa " at the beginning of the line |
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| 20:44.11 | capox | ollie_: maybe you can look into /etc/var/dmesg first |
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| 20:44.30 | cheater__ | i copypasted the .pem from the terminal to my local machine's pwd, and am using ssh -i root.pem root@short-name. after asking me for the pem passphrase, ssh asks me for the password for root@123.321.123.321 |
| 20:44.48 | cheater__ | what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:44.54 | ollie_ | capox: yes, the ssh connection |
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| 20:46.05 | ollie_ | capox: I don't seem to have a /etc/var/dmesg |
| 20:46.30 | capox | well thats pretty weird |
| 20:47.19 | capox | sorry about the brainfart |
| 20:47.32 | capox | /var/log/ |
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| 20:49.49 | jhutchins | dmesg is a command too. |
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| 20:51.16 | capox | all kinds of interesting files in /var/log |
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| 20:52.02 | Twinkletoes | Can someone help me get the wireless networking (command line) setup please? I have the wireless-tools and wpa-supplicant packages installed, and what I think is the correct lines in network interfaces, but can't access anythign on the network |
| 20:52.31 | jhutchins | Wow, my ssh-keygen manpage is totally scrambled. |
| 20:52.43 | ollie_ | capox: all the /var/log/dmesg logs are blank :( |
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| 20:54.12 | jhutchins | cheater__: I would use ssh-keygen instead. |
| 20:54.44 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: What release, what chipset? |
| 20:55.32 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: Wheezy... chipset Intel NM10 Expres |
| 20:55.50 | jhutchins | cheater__: ssh-keygen -t dsa |
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| 20:56.06 | jhutchins | cheater__: Then ssh-copy-id to install. |
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| 20:56.16 | capox | ollie_: whats "dmesg" say? |
| 20:56.23 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: What's the pciid of that? lspci -nn |
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| 20:56.46 | ollie_ | capox: nothing |
| 20:56.53 | ollie_ | capox: this is on the server, right? |
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| 20:57.13 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: ah... Atheros AR8295 |
| 20:57.20 | Twinkletoes | 9285 even |
| 20:57.31 | capox | ollie_: well I was assuming you had freezing issues with the local ssh client |
| 20:57.41 | cheater__ | jhutchins: i made a typical mistake, i wrote "ssh-dsa" but it's supposed to be "ssh-dss" in authorized_keys. |
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| 20:58.11 | capox | ollie_: very first make sure its not the server thats frozen |
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| 20:58.57 | capox | wishes he could somehow magically coax apt-get install to really-*really* ignore any missing packages |
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| 21:02.48 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: The interfaces file is here (slightly munged): http://paste.debian.net/27694/ |
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| 21:03.59 | capox | even with "--ignore-missing" apt-get install fails at the first missing package |
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| 21:04.23 | Rackmount | Warning: Potentially stupid question likely to follow... |
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| 21:04.35 | Rackmount | It is at all possible to pull packet data directly from a /proc filesystem file? |
| 21:04.49 | capox | yes afaik it is |
| 21:04.54 | capox | if you mean "to a file" |
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| 21:05.20 | Rackmount | capox: Well, I'm trying to find a way to work around the absence of tcpdump on an embedded access point. |
| 21:05.47 | capox | Rackmount: see the first answer for example http://askubuntu.com/questions/37267/how-can-i-access-flash-files-from-streaming-websites |
| 21:05.53 | Rackmount | And I'm trying to see if I can leverage a file in the /proc filesystem, or even pehaps /dev to dump packet data out to a file. |
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| 21:06.25 | Rackmount | capox: that requires a utility that dumps out libpcap output. that's not quite what I had in mind. |
| 21:06.47 | capox | what? |
| 21:07.02 | capox | you need something to learn the proc and cp |
| 21:07.26 | ollie_ | capox: dmesg on the client has nothing relevant, nothing since a game that launched a while ago |
| 21:07.31 | Rackmount | I'm talking about dumping out raw data from a network device to a file. I'd like to find a way to do this without netcat, and without tcpdump, tshark, wireshark, or any other libpcap utility. |
| 21:08.00 | capox | you asked about a proc |
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| 21:08.01 | Rackmount | I suppose I could try cat against the network device....,?> |
| 21:08.04 | jhutchins | Rackmount: So you want to dump the output to a file, but you don't want to use any of the tools tha tdo that. |
| 21:08.07 | Roenie | i have two SD cards here, for both of which windows understands when then write protection is on or off. Debian on the same machine gets it right for one of them but when I try to mount the other, it always mounts read-only because it thinks write protection is on regardless of whether it's on or off. How can this happen? |
| 21:08.18 | Roenie | when the* |
| 21:08.36 | php-noob | mumpitzel doAttack() |
| 21:08.37 | Rackmount | jhutchins: right. raw data is fine (it doesn't have to be libpcap). |
| 21:08.43 | capox | ollie_: dont get stuck on the dmesg, you need to analyze the problem somehow |
| 21:08.49 | jhutchins | Rackmount: I see, embedded. |
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| 21:09.00 | Rackmount | jhutchins: precisely |
| 21:09.01 | capox | wait, I thought that in *nix everything is a file... |
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| 21:09.40 | Rackmount | capox: Plan9. :) |
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| 21:11.09 | jhutchins | Rackmount: tcpdump on another device on the same hub. |
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| 21:11.40 | capox | so you have access to the proc? |
| 21:12.21 | Rackmount | jhutchins: well, that's the rub. I need to capture the data on the AP itself, because I need to try and see what it's doing with the ARP reply (perhaps doing something stupid like forwarding it to loopback or something). |
| 21:12.34 | Rackmount | capox: I do. |
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| 21:12.40 | capox | so what is it |
| 21:13.10 | Rackmount | capox: I apologize, but I don't quite understand your question. What is what? |
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| 21:13.42 | php-noob | Hi. I need some help to install mysql server. I try it several times but still no work, Some people suggest me to paste apt-cache policy. That gets break and output only 16 lines, even i let it run for at least 1hour... |
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| 21:14.08 | jhutchins | Rackmount: If we fail, try ##networking |
| 21:14.09 | php-noob | Dont know which is the next step to know what is causing the problem :( |
| 21:14.20 | jordanm | php-noob: you let apt-cache policy run for an hour? |
| 21:14.23 | capox | Rackmount: perhaps you are doing something that is too esoteric for me |
| 21:15.12 | Rackmount | jhutchins: I just might do that. I'm in there now. :) |
| 21:15.22 | jhutchins | php-noob: First step might be shutdown -Fr now to check your disk for errors, then aptitude clean all |
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| 21:15.46 | Rackmount | capox: What I'm requesting is highly unusual. Even I'm not sure I'm barking up the right tree. |
| 21:16.01 | jhutchins | php-noob: It sounds like there might be file corruption somewhere in your apt/deb systems. |
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| 21:17.30 | capox | well evidently it is not piping a socket to a file |
| 21:18.21 | php-noob | jordanm: yes, i do |
| 21:18.58 | jordanm | php-noob: strace -vvtf -s 4000 apt-cache policy |
| 21:19.05 | php-noob | jhutchins. im sure theres disk errors, because i exec debian into an arm smarbook throught sdcard |
| 21:19.07 | jordanm | php-noob: wait for it to stop, then paste the last 50 lines |
| 21:19.36 | jordanm | don't bother with that if you know there are issues with the media... |
| 21:19.56 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: Sorted thank you - the wpaspupplicant packages wasn't installed! (although I could have sworn I did this yesterday) |
| 21:19.59 | php-noob | strace -vvtf -s 4000 apt-cache policy i thin wont work. wait, i will try |
| 21:20.17 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: Glad you figured it out! |
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| 21:21.17 | php-noob | jordanm strace command not found |
| 21:21.50 | php-noob | smash the system :) command not found :( |
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| 21:23.24 | james41382 | jordanm: I found it. It's the X-interactive: true in the init headers. =] |
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| 21:31.51 | tharkun | I have several files that are compressed on a .rar format (Yes we all have dark pasts) that I need to unpack. IRC one program present in debian fails the other one gets the job done. Any idea which one is not the frustrating one? |
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| 21:32.19 | php-noob | jordanm finally i got it |
| 21:32.26 | digdilem | unrar, tharkun ? |
| 21:32.35 | blawiz | why are there so many names for debian versions? id love if were only called stable/testing/unstable |
| 21:32.39 | php-noob | was one of numeous things to do it working... i forgot to apply one of it |
| 21:33.07 | digdilem | tharkun, 7zip also quite dandy |
| 21:33.09 | jhutchins | blawiz: The names denote different releases, which change from time to time. |
| 21:33.12 | nkuttler | tharkun: unrar-nonfree? |
| 21:33.30 | nkuttler | blawiz: and you can refer to the current stable as "stable" |
| 21:33.31 | php-noob | mumpitzel: if you read :) thx for support . i got now mysql running. 1/3 steps LAMP goal passed ... |
| 21:33.48 | blawiz | confuses me :( |
| 21:33.48 | nkuttler | blawiz: but your system upgrades might break if you use that in your sources.list |
| 21:34.08 | digdilem | blawiz, debian is 20 years old. there's quite a lot of historical releases. |
| 21:34.10 | blawiz | nkuttler, cant use stable in the source.list? |
| 21:34.13 | nkuttler | blawiz: all you need to know is "wheezy" |
| 21:34.17 | jordanm | php-noob: you can do all steps in one command: apt-get install mysql-server apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:34.19 | nkuttler | blawiz: yes you can, but don't |
| 21:34.25 | tharkun | nkuttler: Thanks will try |
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| 21:34.35 | php-noob | blawiz, is like you want to simply call al windows versions like window |
| 21:34.37 | tharkun | digdilem: 7zip uncompresses rar? |
| 21:34.42 | digdilem | tharkun, yes |
| 21:34.48 | digdilem | blawiz, http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 21:35.05 | blawiz | i went to debian cause i thought i didnt have to upgrade systems every years/other year |
| 21:35.10 | php-noob | jordanm sure, but mysql-server was first to break... |
| 21:35.11 | capox | figured out that aptitude doesn't mind if some packages are missing and installs the rest, unlike apt-get |
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| 21:35.24 | php-noob | now i will try apache2. (they break tooo...) |
| 21:35.27 | digdilem | blawiz, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-sourceforcodenames is also quite interesting |
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| 21:36.40 | php-noob | any suggestion about why eth0 is goind down automatically? ? first time i see |
| 21:36.54 | php-noob | i search about into internet, but no luck |
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| 21:37.42 | blawiz | digdilem, ill read them :] |
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| 21:39.04 | php-noob | Chokoit, bored you |
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| 21:47.00 | Roenie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.23 | jhutchins | Roenie: mount -o rw? |
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| 21:51.51 | fshp | x86 kernel supports EFI_STUB? Or just amd64? |
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| 21:52.04 | capox | During install I selected 'ssh server' -- is this started on login? if so, whats the process name+ |
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| 21:52.58 | zykotick9 | capox: have a look for sshd |
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| 21:53.24 | capox | yup, nothing like that running |
| 21:54.07 | php-noob | any suggestion about why eth0 is goind down automatically? ? first time i see |
| 21:54.16 | capox | oh, typoed, sshd *is* running |
| 21:54.46 | zykotick9 | capox: fyi, it's started as a service at bootup, not login. |
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| 21:54.56 | php-noob | jordanm install apache2 failed |
| 21:55.11 | php-noob | 4 dependancies, says, but is not going to be install |
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| 21:56.37 | capox | How do I harden sshd to allow only once a minute etc? |
| 21:57.08 | capox | Is that logingracetime? |
| 21:57.22 | zykotick9 | capox: you might want to check out fail2ban, does something slightly different... but... |
| 21:57.59 | zykotick9 | capox: logingracetime is something else |
| 21:58.53 | capox | finds the manpage, woo! |
| 21:59.25 | Roenie | jhutchins, doesn't work |
| 21:59.47 | Roenie | fails due to write protected |
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| 22:30.14 | php-noob | any suggestion about why eth0 is goind down automatically? its being shitting down by itself |
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| 22:31.36 | Jarmer | so I'm running debian with lxde, and I just hooked up an external monitor, any idea how to get it configured to "extend" displays instead of mirroring? Is there a specific package I should install? |
| 22:32.28 | zykotick9 | Jarmer: check out xrandr, or arander (a GUI frontend) assuming you are using free/open source drivers |
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| 22:34.04 | capox | php-noob: perhaps dmesg shows clues |
| 22:34.28 | thowe | Is it possible to just use/test some packages from the Unstable branch? I wanted to play with e17, but the only packages anywhere near current are in sid. |
| 22:35.00 | zykotick9 | thowe: binary mixing of releases - will most likely, lead to tears... |
| 22:35.06 | capox | yes it is thowe |
| 22:35.24 | thowe | well, I don't need tears. Perhaps I will just compile myself... |
| 22:35.37 | zykotick9 | !tell thowe about ssb |
| 22:35.47 | zykotick9 | thowe: the above "might" help... |
| 22:36.20 | capox | version pinning |
| 22:36.28 | Jarmer | @zykotick9 thanks! got it installed, and now am extending. |
| 22:36.34 | thowe | Well, I'm still very new to Debian, so I should probably not make problems for myself that I don't understand how to undo. |
| 22:36.40 | capox | thowe serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
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| 22:36.48 | capox | not recommended |
| 22:36.56 | thowe | capox, Thanks! |
| 22:37.03 | Jarmer | however, now I'm experiencing an interesting issue |
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| 22:37.19 | zykotick9 | !tell thowe about frankendebian |
| 22:37.33 | Jarmer | on full hd1920x1080 resolution, the screen extends off the edges of the physical monitor. It does not do that on the laptop monitor |
| 22:37.49 | thowe | zykotick9, Yeah, that's what I want to avoid creating. |
| 22:38.32 | capox | !tell capox about frankendebian |
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| 22:38.38 | zykotick9 | thowe: i figured... but capox seems to be trying to lead you down that path. |
| 22:38.56 | thowe | He said "not recommended" |
| 22:39.20 | capox | Usually it is better to compile from developers source |
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| 22:39.30 | capox | not fun things can happen to dependencies otherwise |
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| 22:41.16 | php-noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.27 | php-noob | do u say to look into dmesg? |
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| 22:44.13 | capox | well I always say that |
| 22:44.16 | capox | look into logs |
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| 22:44.23 | capox | as to why eth0 goes down |
| 22:44.52 | zykotick9 | thowe: i'd be carefull with capox's developer source suggestion above as well... the !SSB is probably a lot safer/easier. |
| 22:45.28 | capox | always be careful with custom packets |
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| 22:45.46 | capox | but a newer version is basically the only thing you'd want to isntall from testing in the first place |
| 22:46.12 | capox | compile the new source into an .deb and install using dpkg is what I say |
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| 22:48.44 | brachiation | during the wheezy installer, how does debian handle timezone if i choose not to use NTP? |
| 22:50.00 | aypea[1] | timezone handling is independant of ntp |
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| 22:52.33 | brachiation | aypea[1]: i see. so then i won't really notice anything if i choose to not use NTP? |
| 22:53.27 | aypea[1] | brachiation: only an ever increasingly inaccurate time :) |
| 22:53.52 | brachiation | haha, yeah i guess relying on the bios time might not be a good idea in the long run. |
| 22:54.03 | aypea[1] | correct :) |
| 22:54.14 | aypea[1] | and long run may also be short run, depending |
| 22:54.47 | aypea[1] | for eg, the time on my phone is currently 7mins out of sync. it took it less than a year to get there. |
| 22:54.51 | capox | if you cant trust yourself who can you trust? |
| 22:54.57 | aypea[1] | Bob. |
| 22:55.17 | capox | All Hail Discordia! |
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| 23:33.10 | dilloes | i installed dillo by doing apt-get install dillo. dillo is working ok but the user interface is in English and i want my flatmate to use so i need to change dillo's user interface to Spanish. how can i do that? |
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| 23:34.01 | Brigo | dilloes: does it has spanish support? |
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| 23:35.00 | dilloes | Brigo, i do not know. dillo's user interface is in English but i want to change it to Spanish for my flatmate to use it |
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| 23:37.14 | Brigo | dilloes: it looks like does not have multilingual support. |
| 23:39.06 | dilloes | Brigo, i would be very surprised if dillo's user interface would be English only. dillo is not an obscure piece of software but a very popular one, used world wide |
| 23:40.51 | aypea[1] | wow! there's a dillo 3.x! Last I looked at it it was languishing in 0.x/1.x land |
| 23:40.57 | Brigo | dilloes: www.dillo.org, and search yourself. Coño. :-) |
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| 23:41.25 | dilloes | Brigo, i already did co*o! |
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| 23:53.11 | dilloes | i installed dillo by doing apt-get install dillo. dillo is working ok but the user interface is in English and i want my flatmate to use it so i need to change dillo's user interface to Spanish. how can i do that? Has anyone managed to change dillo's UI to their local language? |
| 23:53.25 | thowe | ah, cool. It looks like e17 is moving to testing |
| 23:57.19 | hakuga | hello, what audio player do you use ? I came from Windows and I really like foobar. Is there a foobar-like on GNU/Linux ? |
| 23:58.02 | musca | hakuga: which Desktop Environment do you prefer? |
| 23:58.48 | hakuga | dunno I use Gnome 3 , debian stable |
| 23:59.00 | thowe | huh, the mailing list for the e17 debian stuff says it has MIGRATED to testing, but I don't see it in testing here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/e17 That's still old. I don't get it. |
| 23:59.02 | capox | Whats the best game on the stable repo? |
| 23:59.12 | capox | musca: openbox is the ultimate |
| 23:59.25 | thowe | also likes openbox |
| 23:59.32 | musca | hakuga: so, you have totem? |
| 23:59.36 | Brigo | hakuga: lxmusic : At first glance, it |
| 23:59.36 | hakuga | I want a lightweight audio player, not a itunes-like |
| 23:59.38 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.44 | capox | vlc |
| 23:59.48 | hakuga | Yes I think but it's for video too |
| 23:59.55 | capox | so |
