| 00:00.00 | hakuga | I'll check lxmusic, thanks Brigo |
| 00:00.04 | capox | then you only need one |
| 00:00.13 | thowe | uses mplayer |
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| 00:01.50 | cusco | I use mplayer for sound too |
| 00:01.50 | cusco | lol |
| 00:02.10 | cusco | I used to use xmms |
| 00:02.23 | cusco | winamp like |
| 00:02.24 | cusco | :p |
| 00:02.47 | hakuga | I use smplayer for video, but why not using a video player to play music I'll try |
| 00:03.16 | Brigo | hakuga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software |
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| 00:08.08 | Spec-Chum | http://www.flickr.com/photos/99463383@N06/9559763364/lightbox/ openbox :) |
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| 00:09.45 | hakuga | totem takes like 25 % CPU usage and rythmbox 1-2% :) |
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| 00:39.39 | romano2k | hi! i'm just looking for the original /etc/apt/preferences file, can anyone help me? |
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| 00:41.05 | abrotman | romano2k: it's normally empty |
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| 00:42.14 | romano2k | abrotman: ok thanks. but the file does exist? |
| 00:42.16 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... I have Debian 6... how can I check in postfix if I am not sending spam... because I've been blocked from some domains to send emails to them... |
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| 00:43.12 | abrotman | romano2k: not by default, no |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | dimitry7: you sohuld have mail logs |
| 00:43.51 | romano2k | ok thank you abrotman |
| 00:43.54 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes I have them :-D. And ... now, how can I check for spam sending? |
| 00:44.11 | dimitry7 | abrotman, how do I look for that on my logs? |
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| 00:46.43 | abrotman | dimitry7: look for odd destinations, etc in your logs |
| 00:46.46 | zykotick9 | i'm looking for the reverse of <which repo>, I have experimental repo on my netbook (and can't remember WHY I added it). Is there a method to list all packages installed from a repo? |
| 00:46.57 | Cerales | hello. after being a long-time user, i want to get involved as a package maintainer. can anyone explain what i need to do to get a sponsor? |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | !tell Cerales about mentors |
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| 00:50.10 | Cerales | abrotman: Thanks. The IRC channel there doesn't exist anymore; is it best to join the mailing list or something? |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | Cerales: on irc.oftc.net, read the whole factoid |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | or irc.debian.org, whichever it says |
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| 00:51.13 | musca | zykotick9: an example:$ aptitude search "~i~Ogoogle" |
| 00:51.13 | musca | i google-chrome-stable - The web browser from Google |
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| 00:52.43 | xk05 | irc.debian.org |
| 00:53.00 | musca | xk05: yes, you are there. |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | no, he's not |
| 00:54.23 | zykotick9 | musca: thanks for the reply, but 'aptitude search "~i~Oexperimental"' did return anything, so i tried 'aptitude search "~i~Omain"' which also returned nothing? |
| 00:54.25 | xk05 | actually irc://irc.debian.org:6667/#debian-next |
| 00:54.39 | zykotick9 | s/did/didn't/ |
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| 00:55.01 | musca | ~O for Origin, ~A for Archive, ~s for section |
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| 00:55.07 | musca | ~Odebian, ~Atesting, ~smain as examples |
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| 00:58.55 | zykotick9 | musca: thanks, that sorta helps... but ~Aexperimental shows all the packages which are installed (from any repo) and available in experimental - but doesn't list what I've installed from experimental... |
| 00:59.47 | musca | zykotick9: you missed the ~i for installed |
| 00:59.51 | dimitry7 | abrotman, this is my postqueue -p command output: http://pastebin.com/b79YQZ1j |
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| 01:00.34 | dimitry7 | there are some domains not allowed.... i'd like to know how they manage to use my mail server to send spam |
| 01:01.09 | themill | zykotick9: if you want to limit the output to just the packages that are actually from experimental as opposed to packages that also have a version in unstable then you need to ?narrow() the selection. Have a look at the output of "/msg dpkg bpo list" for an example |
| 01:01.24 | zykotick9 | musca: ahhh, 'aptitude search "~i~Aexperimental"' lists apt first, but "apt-cache policy apt" shows the wheezy version as installed? |
| 01:01.56 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks. musca thank you very much, you ALMOST got me there ;) |
| 01:02.28 | themill | note that if the package has the same version in multiple releases then you'll get surprising results from that |
| 01:02.35 | musca | zykotick9: ah, i see :) |
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| 01:02.41 | abrotman | dimitry7: not allowed to what? be sent to? |
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| 01:05.10 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes for example grips2@purifiercn.ru is never a destiny domain, it is not out customer, and don't know if it is a valid domain. So what is sending spam though it? |
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| 01:05.14 | musca | zykotick9: remember, with my first approach i had an unknown domain in mind. |
| 01:05.21 | Cyclohexane | i'm trying to setup postfix + dovecot with ldap backend, i've enabled ssl in dovecot and created certs but when i try to add the account to gmail for example the connection times out - if i connect manually using openssl it works fine |
| 01:05.31 | Cyclohexane | would this be because i'm using self-signed and gmail doesn't want to accept it? |
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| 01:07.40 | abrotman | dimitry7: so see how it started |
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| 01:07.57 | abrotman | dimitry7: you have full logs, you can see where it came from, etc |
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| 01:09.31 | pibe86 | Hello |
| 01:10.16 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I got this logÑ Aug 18 06:45:25 localhost postfix/smtp[15861]: D98F7A97A720: to=<grips2@purifiercn.ru>, relay=none, delay=158085, delays=158055/0.01/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to purifiercn.ru[213.108.252.167]:25: Connection timed out) |
| 01:10.32 | pibe86 | do you know how i can check how many days my password will expire ? |
| 01:11.32 | pibe86 | i mean, my debian password as a single user- |
| 01:11.57 | dimitry7 | abrotman, would be the problem solved if I block that IP? |
| 01:13.07 | LtL | pibe86: man chage |
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| 01:13.44 | abrotman | dimitry7: if that's the problem, you've got far larger concerns .. blocking IPs one at a time will not help |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | dimitry7: and that's the destination, not the origination |
| 01:14.17 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes, that's what I was thinking now |
| 01:14.19 | LtL | pibe86: chage -l $USER |
| 01:14.37 | dimitry7 | abrotman, but I can't get to see any source |
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| 01:15.26 | pibe86 | LtL: Thanks (: |
| 01:15.35 | LtL | pibe86: welcome |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | dimitry7: you might get more help in #postfix .. I'm guessing your postfix is very poorly configured |
| 01:17.41 | dimitry7 | abrotman, we are banned from postfix |
| 01:17.57 | dvs | gasps |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | we are? |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | is not |
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| 01:21.05 | dimitry7 | abrotman, then abrotman may ask :-) |
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| 01:23.26 | abrotman | yeah, i want to proxy solve your completely messed up postfix |
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| 01:23.38 | abrotman | dimitry7: there are tons of docs at postfix.org |
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| 01:29.14 | abrotman | amixer? |
| 01:29.15 | dimitry7 | abrotman, it was not configured by me... i don't know postfix. It was my boss and died the day before yesterday. |
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| 01:31.26 | abrotman | dimitry7: and why are you banned from #postfix? |
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| 01:36.26 | ztahenakos | Hello all! I have a BeagleBone black that I have installed Debian Wheezy onto. I have a wifi usb dongle in it and have it configured, however, I have 1 small problem with it. On boot, it will not get an IP address. If I connect an ethernet cord to the unit, then it gets an IP address. What I am thinking is is that whatever handles internet stuff on boot (ifplugd?) it isnt trying to get an ip for the wlan interface.. How can I have it g |
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| 01:37.18 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I don't know, I have 1 month working here... in fact the IP is banned from several channels, hopefully debian and xen are not! |
| 01:37.39 | dimitry7 | when I entered here the IP was already banned |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | dimitry7: so maybe you should ask an op in #postfix? |
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| 01:39.56 | dimitry7 | how? |
| 01:40.01 | dimitry7 | If we are blocked :-( |
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| 01:42.18 | abrotman | dimitry7: ask #freenode how to contact an op from #postfix |
| 01:42.26 | kpc | i installed without installing the desktop task, but now i want x. i tried installing sawfish, but it didn't depend on xorg. so i installed that and some desktop managers. is that enough or will i need to install other stuff? |
| 01:42.45 | ztahenakos | kpc: did you install X? |
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| 01:43.23 | mroe | How do I run dbconfig-common for a packge? |
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| 01:43.42 | johnw` | ztahenakos: yes, i installed xorg or xorg-something |
| 01:43.53 | ztahenakos | johnw`: xserver-xorg? |
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| 01:44.19 | johnw` | ztahenakos: i have that installed |
| 01:44.31 | ztahenakos | johnw`: Ok.. how about xinit? and also your xserver driver |
| 01:44.45 | dimitry7 | abrotman, okay, thank you. |
| 01:45.12 | johnw` | i have those. i am getting x up and, apparently, sawfish, but sawfish ignorese my dpi settings and does not show anything on screen. maybe that's normal? |
| 01:45.12 | mroe | when I installed a package I skipped running dbconfig-common, but now I want to run it for a given package |
| 01:45.14 | dimitry7 | abrotman, any other log or keywork where I could find more about the IP origination? |
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| 01:45.41 | BertGeek | hello |
| 01:45.41 | ztahenakos | johnw`: I couldnt tell you, im not familiar with sawfish |
| 01:45.44 | johnw` | ztahenakos: when i say i am getting x up, i mean that i have randomly tried stuff from the root command line like xinit and stuff, and x comes up |
| 01:46.13 | BertGeek | who is debian |
| 01:46.49 | ztahenakos | johnw`: when x comes up, do you just have a blank screen or something? |
| 01:46.52 | johnw` | my biggest problem now is, before i can even /try/ window managers and display managers, they have to display my fonts in a large enough size. and none of them do, and some ignore my dpi settings. so how do i just tell x that my monitor is 1/4 resolution from what it is and have /everything/ respect that? |
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| 01:47.03 | BertGeek | who use's debian |
| 01:47.12 | ztahenakos | Obviously no one in here |
| 01:47.21 | RipresaTecn | lol |
| 01:47.23 | virusuy_ | debian? what's that ? :-P |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | dimitry7: i told you the best way to procede |
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| 01:51.50 | MrHatter | I just tried an install from squeeze to wheezy and I was unsuccesful with this : E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 01:55.39 | johnw` | suppose i want to try a light version of kde. would that be kde-standard? |
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| 02:01.16 | ztahenakos | johnw`: thats mostlikely NOT the light one.. if you want something light go wiht lxde |
| 02:01.32 | dvs | johnw`: There's no such thing as "KDE light". The different virtual packages install a different number of packages. |
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| 02:03.01 | johnw` | ztahenakos: i installed lxde, but don't know the right way to start it. maybe i am supposed to reboot. but i got it up, also, via xinit or similar, and it is also far too small fonts etc. |
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| 02:03.50 | ztahenakos | johnw`: when X starts, it needs to know what to do. For example, lets say I installed openbox, I would put into my ~/.xinitrc "exec openbox-session" |
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| 02:05.39 | johnw` | ztahenakos: ok. i'm just finding it impossible to use these things when the fonts are unreadable. |
| 02:05.44 | johnw` | and all the buttons too |
| 02:06.05 | ztahenakos | johnw`: do you have a weird monitor or something? |
| 02:06.21 | johnw` | ztahenakos: i just need very large fonts and buttons |
| 02:08.02 | ztahenakos | johnw`: visually impaired? |
| 02:08.08 | johnw` | so i'd like to set my monitor to be quarter resolution (i.e. 1280x720) to begin with, then fix dpi to be higher |
| 02:08.12 | fetoega | ztahenakos, If he wants light and with Qt he need lxde-qt or RazorQT. |
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| 02:08.28 | ztahenakos | fetoega: does he want QT? |
| 02:08.43 | fetoega | ztahenakos, probably. why else would he be using KDE? |
| 02:09.09 | ztahenakos | fetoega: maybe because he likes it? Ive had QT installed on non kde boxes.. |
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| 02:09.46 | johnw` | ideally i would just use sawfish or something. i don't really need a de. i just want to try these other desktop environments so i can have something that displays large enough to begin with. in other words, i want to get started using debian. |
| 02:09.56 | fetoega | Graphical consistency and the fact that most large apps are Qt based or moving towards Qt due to the steady decline of GTK in general. |
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| 02:12.19 | johnw` | (slightly different topic, also needed) how do i find out where other machines are on the local network? i thought i had one machine set up for ssl, but trying ssh -l johnw 192.168.1.x for x from 1 to 10 did not produce any connections |
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| 02:12.58 | cafuego | sudo ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
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| 02:13.27 | cafuego | johnw`: ^ that pings the broadcast address, see if anything replies. See also 'arp -a' |
| 02:15.18 | johnw` | nobody pinged back, but 2 things showed up with arp. that's a good tool. |
| 02:16.50 | cafuego | Well, likely the local machine and your router ;-) |
| 02:16.52 | johnw` | thanks. strangely, though, my login failed 3 times, then succeeded. |
| 02:16.57 | johnw` | cafuego: yes, likely :) |
| 02:17.13 | johnw` | and the 4th time the password prompt was different |
| 02:17.46 | cafuego | denies being the man in the middle |
| 02:17.49 | johnw` | "johnw@192.etc. password:" instead of "password:" |
| 02:18.32 | cafuego | The former is a standard ssh password prompt |
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| 02:23.03 | johnw` | is it normal for e.g. osx ssh server to switch prompts like that? |
| 02:23.29 | dvs | laughs at OS X |
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| 02:24.41 | johnw` | ok, so where do i go to find out how to edit xorg.conf to set my monitor to pretend that it is a lower resolution than it is? |
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| 02:25.03 | johnw` | is that the right file to edit? |
| 02:25.49 | dimitry7 | abrotman, thanks for all! See you!" |
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| 03:03.49 | dvs | get him! |
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| 03:19.38 | initial | if anybody said anything to me since my last message, i missed it (funny how c-alt-del actually /reboots/ :)) |
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| 03:23.13 | Th0masR0ss | ctrl alt delete exits X on most systems |
| 03:24.11 | Vicissitude | thought that was meant to be ctrl alt backspace |
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| 03:24.44 | johnw` | for me, bs does not kill x, but del does reboot |
| 03:25.23 | johnw` | <- is the person whose last message since when if anybody said i missed it (<- never mind the grammar) |
| 03:26.01 | Th0masR0ss | oh right |
| 03:26.10 | Th0masR0ss | s/delete/backspace |
| 03:27.37 | johnw` | how do i make the cursor not blink in the console? |
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| 03:31.52 | Th0masR0ss | johnw`: is it a terminal emulator in X? |
| 03:32.01 | k_sze[work] | Is it true that on Debian (and by extension, Ubuntu), IPv4 is configured as a subset/subrange of IPv6? |
| 03:32.44 | johnw` | Th0masR0ss: it is a virtual terminal reached using alt f1 etc. |
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| 03:33.30 | Th0masR0ss | johnw`: hum. I don't know then. |
| 03:34.16 | k_sze[work] | Is that the whole '6to4' thing? |
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| 03:41.58 | johnw` | i am trying various integrity packages. samhain complains that my hostname is not an fqdn. i looked at its faq, but it's not clear how to fix it. should i make up some fake domain to add like myhost.whatever.com? |
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| 04:01.51 | johnw` | i'd like to zoom by holding down control and using mouse scroll wheel, or similar. is this possible? |
| 04:03.08 | Charli | Hi, anyone have experienced this? xscreensaver black my screen occasionally while i'm typing. thx |
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| 04:22.35 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] /usr/share/doc/ linux-doc-3.2/html/reguator/ includes a file »API-regulator-count-voltages.html«. What kind of regulator is meant here? |
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| 04:24.05 | jsonlee_ | where can i find the package get installed to? |
| 04:24.06 | bullgard4 | Charli: I have not experiences that. - Please have a look into ~/.xsession-errrors for hints why this happened. |
| 04:24.23 | jsonlee_ | i install libopenal-dev but don't know where to find it gets installed |
| 04:24.55 | bullgard4 | jsonlee_: You can use Synaptic to find out. |
| 04:25.16 | jsonlee_ | bullgard4: thanks. |
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| 04:29.31 | bullgard4 | k_sze[work]: No. |
| 04:30.27 | Charli | bullgard4: no succh file, I'am using `awesome`, use `startx` start it. Is that related? |
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| 04:33.45 | k_sze[work] | bullgard4: which means that an application cannot just listen to a port on :: and also expect to be exposed at the same port on the IPv4 addresses? |
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| 04:34.25 | johnw` | i want to be able to change my monitor's settings to be 1280x720 instead of 2560x1440, and preferably be able to switch between them. how do i do this? |
| 04:36.43 | bullgard4 | Charli: I believe that ~/.xsession-errors is produced by the X window system. I do not know why you don't have it even if you are using Awesome. Sorry that I cannot help you. |
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| 04:38.54 | bullgard4 | k_sze[work]: That is correct: an application cannot just listen to a port on :: and also expect to be exposed at the same port on the IPv4 addresses. (That's how I have learned it.) |
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| 04:40.24 | johnw` | i have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. can i just create it or does it belong someplace else? |
| 04:41.34 | bullgard4 | johnw': You can just create it. |
| 04:42.59 | johnw` | bullgard4: thanks. is there a way to kill the x session and restart it? |
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| 04:45.23 | bullgard4 | johnw`: See for example http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/01/msg00394.html |
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| 04:46.15 | johnw` | bullgard4: thanks. however, i have no way to copy and paste that url into w3m in this virtual terminal. any clue on how i do that? |
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| 04:50.14 | bullgard4 | johnw`: "w3m is a text-based World Wide Web browser with IPv6 support." I do not use it myself. May be 'man w3m' can help. Otherwise I cannot help you. |
| 04:50.56 | johnw` | bullgard4: what i mean is that in this vt, you pasted a link, and i was unable to copy and paste it because this has no mouse or ability to copy and paste that i know of |
| 04:51.10 | johnw` | i installed gpm, however, and sort of got a mouse. but it is gone again. |
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| 04:53.14 | bullgard4 | johnw`: I fulle understood your first statement: "what i mean is that in this vt, you pasted a link, and i was unable to copy and paste it because this has no mouse or ability to copy and paste that i know of." You can try analyzing your second error with a look into /var/log/syslog. |
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| 04:53.28 | bullgard4 | s/fulle/fully/ |
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| 04:54.38 | johnw` | that email says that you can kill with ctrl alt backspace, but that does not work for me |
| 04:55.48 | johnw` | but i will try to go with self's recommendation not to run a display manager |
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| 04:59.29 | johnw` | i have several window managers, xfce, and lxde installed. how do i run xfce from the command line? |
| 05:01.11 | johnw` | almost all of them bring up a tiny, unreadable xterm. how do i increase the font in that xterm? |
| 05:01.26 | johnw` | this is true even when i have really high dpi set |
| 05:02.58 | e-mc^2 | johnw`, startxfce4 |
| 05:03.51 | johnw` | e-mc^2: thanks, that works. but i clicked on the terminal and there is no text in it. all black. |
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| 05:05.07 | johnw` | the good news is i figured out how to tell it high dpi. the bad news is the terminal does not work, and the icons in the panel are unreadable |
| 05:05.11 | johnw` | too small |
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| 05:09.27 | bullgard4 | johnw`: Position your cursor into a x-term window. Press Ctrl+rifht-hand mouse key. A menu will open. Select a larger font. |
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| 05:10.30 | bullgard4 | s/rifht/right/ |
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| 05:12.17 | johnw` | bullgard4: hmm, i think that is intended to work, but the menu is unreadable. but i figured out how to do huge and it is still unreadably small. even though i have dpi set high. |
| 05:12.36 | johnw` | i guess i still have to figure out how to change my monitor's resolution |
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| 05:15.06 | bullgard4 | johnw`: I agree that you'll have first to adjust first your GUI to your monitor's resolution. Please do not simply "set dpi high". |
| 05:15.56 | bullgard4 | johnw`: '~$ xrandr' may help. |
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| 05:18.13 | johnw` | bullgard4: the idea of setting dpi high was that i could get the benefit of a high resolution monitor while having large fonts. but it seems a lot of debian does not work well with high dpi yet. so yeah, i have to make the monitor use 4 pixels for every pixel. |
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| 05:18.30 | johnw` | actually the idea was to do anything to get x working |
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| 05:20.02 | johnw` | bullgard4: xrandr lists some resolutions, but it does not list 1280x720, which i know the monitor supports |
| 05:22.14 | johnw` | that is exactly 1/4 resolution of the physical one, so that is what i want |
| 05:22.39 | johnw` | (physical is 2560x1440) |
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| 05:24.08 | bullgard4 | johnw`: You say: "xrandr lists some resolutions, but it does not list 1280x720, which i know the monitor supports" <- That is strange. I never expeirenced thiis fact. Thus far I found the xrandr very reliable. You'll investigate on that at a convenient time. |
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| 05:28.16 | johnw` | bullgard4: i didn't understand your last sentence? |
| 05:28.39 | johnw` | you meant "you should investigate"? |
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| 05:31.52 | MrHatter | is it dangerous to power off a machine that is doing a forced fsck ? |
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| 05:40.59 | cheri_ | hi during the installation the first hard disk on the systems is identified as /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda. Any how I went ahead and installed the grub on /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:41.23 | cheri_ | the boot process is getting stuck at initramfs |
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| 05:42.20 | FrozenFire | Trying to clear up some potential misinformation. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692613 |
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| 05:42.29 | FrozenFire | I can't tell what the outcome of this bug is likely to be |
| 05:42.53 | johnw` | debian is unusable for me unless it can make the resolution or dpi large enough |
| 05:42.54 | FrozenFire | Is Debian's PHP package likely to ship without the JSON extension? |
| 05:43.07 | FrozenFire | At least as of 5.5, anyways. |
| 05:43.50 | cheri_ | I changed kernel directive in the menu.lst file and specified the root fs as /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:44.11 | cheri_ | but when I install the new kernel its gng back to /dev/sdb1 again |
| 05:44.21 | cheri_ | can you please him how to fix this |
| 05:48.36 | RipresaTecn | did you run update-grub? |
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| 05:49.02 | cheri_ | no I am not aware of that |
| 05:49.28 | cheri_ | do I need to take the system offline into the rescue mode to do that |
| 05:49.50 | RipresaTecn | yes or chroot |
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| 05:50.11 | cheri_ | oh ok |
| 05:50.16 | cheri_ | I will give that a try |
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| 05:50.51 | cheri_ | do I need to recall the modifications I did to menu.list before I run the update-grub |
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| 05:52.44 | themill | FrozenFire: is the php5-json package not what you are looking for? |
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| 05:52.51 | Charli | bullgard4: thank you |
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| 05:55.19 | FrozenFire | themill, I suppose the question is more to the end of, will php5-json be removed from the php5-common package, or perhaps be removed from the repos? |
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| 05:56.00 | FrozenFire | I admit a near complete lack of knowledge regarding the policies surrounding any of that. :) |
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| 05:56.41 | themill | FrozenFire: it's a completely different package |
| 05:56.44 | FrozenFire | Someone submitted a post to a popular community that I moderate, indicating that the extension is being removed from PHP 5.5 entirely, which is patently false |
| 05:56.54 | themill | ,source php5-json |
| 05:56.55 | judd | Sorry, there is no record of a source package for the binary package 'php5-json' in wheezy/i386. |
| 05:56.58 | themill | ,source php5-json --release sid |
| 05:56.59 | judd | Package php5-json in sid -- source: php-json |
| 05:57.00 | FrozenFire | Just trying to figure out where the rumour sprung from, and it seems like the Debian bug linked above is where |
| 05:57.16 | Charli | johnw`: you can set new mode with the resolution you want by hand(it will work, if the screen do support it). I have done that before, `man xrandr` or google it. |
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| 05:57.29 | themill | I don't know if php5-json and PHP's inbuilt json are identical in API. |
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| 05:58.03 | themill | FrozenFire: there are lots of different json implementations out there for just about every language. Most of them don't have that moronic licence. |
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| 05:58.46 | FrozenFire | Yeah, I agree that the whole situation, if it exists, springs from idiocy on the part of that particular implementation's developer. |
| 05:59.01 | FrozenFire | Watched a video where he joked about all of the trouble that that line causes |
| 05:59.12 | FrozenFire | Gleeful at the fact. |
| 06:00.20 | Charli | Hi, anyone have experienced this?--: xscreensaver black my screen occasionally while i'm typing. I'm using `awesome` start from `startx`, thx |
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| 06:05.57 | johnw` | charli: i tried xrandr --size 1280x720 and it said it did not find it in available modes |
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| 06:08.35 | charli | johnw`: no, that's not how it works, you need creat a now mode, then use it. google it, the create now mode command has many config about you screen will be very long |
| 06:09.15 | charli | typo, creat a new(was now) mode |
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| 06:38.39 | johnw` | charli: thank you. it seems to have possibly worked. now where do i put it to make it permanent? in my .xinitrc? |
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| 06:40.05 | jargon | o/ |
| 06:40.34 | johnw` | also, how do i find out the name of the x display i am using? i now can't get to the instructions i was using to do the xrandr. so i want to temporarily change it back. |
| 06:42.11 | charli | change to `auto` mode will go back. |
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| 06:43.35 | charli | run `xrandr` or `xrandr -q` will show a list, current mode has a `*` on it. |
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| 06:44.46 | johnw` | hmm, my iceweasel and terminal are not displaying after the switch |
| 06:44.54 | johnw` | even after i switched back |
| 06:45.16 | charli | yes, you can put it in your .xinitrc, put it be the `exec xxx` line. |
| 06:46.17 | charli | typo again, put it before the `exec xxx` line. |
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| 06:48.51 | charli | when you change it, some thing reload them self. cause trouble, I don't known how to avoid it. |
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| 06:50.35 | charli | johnw`: put it in .xinitrc and stick to it should be fine. |
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| 06:52.29 | cooldharma06 | hi |
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| 06:54.49 | johnw` | charli: perfect. thank you very much. |
| 06:54.54 | ouba | bonjour |
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| 07:51.54 | file-exists-p | hi all. how to remove the CRON log in /var/log/{syslog,auth.log} ? I found ways which do not work |
| 07:52.07 | file-exists-p | (found as "on the web") |
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| 07:53.55 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] /usr/share/doc/ linux-doc-3.2/html/reguator/ includes a file »API-regulator-count-voltages.html«. What kind of regulator is meant here? |
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| 07:54.48 | omid8bimo | my laptop has 2 usb ports; how can i know if they are usb 2 or 3? and is there any package/special driver to install to make sure usb 3 port operates at good speed? |
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| 07:55.38 | omid8bimo | this is the output of lsusb -> http://paste.debian.net/27842/ |
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| 08:02.32 | chovy | omid8bimo: use -v |
| 08:02.43 | chovy | not sure which field, but it gives more info |
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| 08:31.48 | bullgard4 | I have changed the contents of ~/.bashrc . When do they become effective? |
| 08:32.07 | ksk | if you start a bash |
| 08:32.08 | bhuddah | bullgard4: either on longin or when you source the file |
| 08:32.14 | bhuddah | *login |
| 08:32.37 | yeehi | With a default install of wheezy using LVM and whole disk encryption, I thought there would only be 2 partitions: /boot and then the encrypted section. Looking at the disk, I also see a 500 MB FAT partition. Why is this? What is it for? |
| 08:33.08 | bullgard4 | ksk, bhuddah Thank you. |
| 08:33.36 | bhuddah | np |
| 08:33.44 | bhuddah | yeehi: maybe a recovery partition |
| 08:34.32 | yeehi | ah, i did attempt a recovery. Perhaps the recovery software put that there. |
| 08:34.37 | yeehi | thanks bhuddah |
| 08:34.44 | bhuddah | k |
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| 08:35.24 | yeehi | I wonder how the software could have found the space on the drive to create a recovery partition |
| 08:35.32 | yeehi | the drive was entirely used |
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| 08:38.48 | bhuddah | maybe resize... |
| 08:38.57 | bhuddah | but that's all just wild guessing |
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| 08:51.11 | yeehi | bhuddah, i think that resize is highly unlikely- to resize an encrypted partition is non-trivial and the only other partition was /boot, which wasn't big enough for the new fat partition. |
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| 08:52.31 | bhuddah | yeehi: you are right, of course. i forgot the encryption |
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| 08:54.43 | wh0ami | hi |
| 08:54.58 | wh0ami | how can i do for start a script at startup? i have done a shortcut from the script to /etc/rcX.d/ (X = from 2 to 5) |
| 08:55.51 | colo-work | wh0ami, use /etc/rc.local |
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| 08:57.06 | wh0ami | colo-work: /etc/rc.local its only for 1st time startup? |
| 08:57.13 | wh0ami | or its every time i log into ssh? |
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| 08:57.54 | colo-work | wh0ami, it's run by the init system after each runlevel change. logins won't matter. |
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| 08:58.05 | wh0ami | ok thanks colo-work ;) |
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| 09:26.49 | berarma | hi, I've been recently hit by this problem on two Debian Wheezy machines: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873123, do you know why that may be? |
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| 09:28.27 | babilen | berarma: So did the workaround help? Could you file your *own* bug against our bugtracker? |
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| 09:29.37 | berarma | I will but I have no daily access to those machines |
| 09:29.48 | berarma | babilen: the workaround did work |
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| 09:30.44 | johnw` | where is the volume control in wheezy? |
| 09:31.06 | berarma | johnw`: desktop? which desktop? |
| 09:31.15 | Hanumaan | How to solve this problem "Fehlschlag beim Holen von http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/squeeze/non-US/Release.gpg »non-us.debian.org« konnte nicht aufgelöst werden" when I try to update in debian |
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| 09:31.39 | johnw` | berarma: is there a command line one? i have not chosen a wm yet. |
| 09:31.45 | babilen | johnw`: You can use "pavucontrol" to adjust volumes for pulseaudio and "alsamixer" for ALSA -- For anything more desktop environment specifci you have to provide more details. |
| 09:32.16 | berarma | for the command line I know alsamixer |
| 09:32.21 | johnw` | is it possible that sound is not installed by default in wheezy? |
| 09:32.33 | johnw` | so this means i have a choice of alsa and pulseaudio? |
| 09:32.46 | berarma | audio controllers are installed by default if you're system is supported |
| 09:32.52 | berarma | your* |
| 09:33.00 | johnw` | i did not install desktop, but added some desktops later |
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| 09:34.57 | babilen | johnw`: pulseaudio runs *on top* of alsa |
| 09:35.04 | berarma | !tell Hanumaan -about localised errors |
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| 09:35.24 | babilen | Hanumaan: non-us has long been deprecated. Are you upgrading from lenny? |
| 09:35.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hanumaan about non-us |
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| 09:35.51 | babilen | Hanumaan: well, or rather woody :) |
| 09:37.02 | johnw` | babilen: ah, thanks |
| 09:37.03 | babilen | Hanumaan: What are you doing? Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and provide the entire output (in English!) on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:38.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hanumaan about squeeze sources.list |
| 09:38.58 | babilen | Hanumaan: You should also consider upgrading your Squeeze installation to wheezy in due course (why not now?) |
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| 09:39.20 | babilen | Hanumaan: Still there? |
| 09:39.25 | Hanumaan | yes .. |
| 09:39.35 | Hanumaan | moment some problem with remote connection |
| 09:39.36 | Hanumaan | sry |
| 09:40.09 | babilen | Yeah, no problem. I just wanted to make sure that I am actually talking to someone and not simply address a black hole ;) |
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| 09:41.38 | Hanumaan | babilen, now I have : http://paste.debian.net/27887/ |
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| 09:42.52 | johnw` | what is the first place to go to diagnose lack of sound? |
| 09:43.58 | babilen | Hanumaan: Ok, that sources.list is suboptimal and contains errors. First and foremost: We don't use non-us for ages now and whoever put that entry in there simply wasn't aware of that. We are also not too happy if people use ftp.debian.org but encourage users to use either a specific mirror or use one of our many round-robins. (http.debian.net, cdn.debian.net or ftp.CC.debian.org with CC being your countries' code (de, uk, tw, hk, ...)) |
| 09:45.45 | babilen | Hanumaan: You also have "unstable" in there which you really really shouldn't as it will break your system (or cause you to track unstable) and third party repositories that might break random stuff too. Why do you do use unstable? Do you use pinning? Why do you have the entry for r-cran in there? |
| 09:46.43 | babilen | Hanumaan: In short: That sources.list will cause your computer to break rather sooner than later and I would *strongly* recommend to not install a single package at this point as it will inevitably break your system. |
| 09:47.00 | Hanumaan | babilen, actually I have taken a system from some person .. and lot of things on this server I do not know why they are .. |
| 09:47.37 | babilen | Hanumaan: Please answer my questions if you want me to suggest alternative approaches and tell me a bit more about this computer (e.g. "what is it used for?", "is it a production system?", ...) |
| 09:47.57 | babilen | Hanumaan: May I see the output of "apt-cache policy" too? |
| 09:49.02 | babilen | Hanumaan: Oh, and throw in the output of "dpkg -l apt dpkg libc6 multiarch-support" too please |
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| 09:52.57 | Hanumaan | babilen, sure .. how do I get a better sources.list ? ok sure I will answer .. this is a production system and a server .. http://paste.debian.net/27897/ ... some I did not translated .. but I will try .. if you do not understand anything .. |
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| 09:56.03 | babilen | dpkg: localised errors |
| 09:56.03 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 09:56.51 | babilen | Hanumaan: Please don't translate messages yourself but simply run "LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy" or so .. I can read German and I would prefer to read the original rather than your translation. But then try to show us the English version to begin with. :) |
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| 09:59.24 | Hanumaan | babilen, so you might already know I am not native german with my translation :) .. here is what you asked: http://paste.debian.net/27901/ |
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| 10:01.46 | babilen | Hanumaan: Okay, a suitable sources.list for squeeze would look like: https://paste.debian.net/27902/ -- Run "apt-get update" after that and then show me the output of "apt-cache policy" again -- You also seem to have a /etc/apt/preferences file that you should paste. Also show me the output of "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" |
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| 10:03.22 | babilen | Hanumaan: That being said: You should upgrade from squeeze to wheezy rather sooner than later as support for squeeze will end in a couple of months. It is not something you have to do now, but you should plan the upgrade. Instructions on how to do this can be found in the release notes for wheezy and it is very important that you follow them. Also note that your squeeze system should be up-to-date before you attempt the upgrade. |
| 10:03.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hanumaan -about release notes |
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| 10:10.06 | Hanumaan | no I do not have: /etc/apt/preferences and the output you asked for http://paste.debian.net/27911/ .. |
| 10:10.32 | babilen | You don't? Anything in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ then? |
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| 10:11.12 | Hanumaan | babilen, I do not have anything that folder as well |
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| 10:13.46 | babilen | Hanumaan: Okay, I have to leave for a while -- All those packages listed by those two aptitude search commands are packages that are not currently installable any of the repositories in your sources.list - This means that they are either: 1. Outdated and have been removed from squeeze 2. Installed from third-party repositories and 3. (for those in the second command) Installed from newer versions than squeeze -- You should consider removing *all* ... |
| 10:13.52 | babilen | ... of those, but your users might actually use some of that software so that it is not that easy |
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| 10:15.45 | babilen | Hanumaan: It really depends on the package in question - For example apache2 should simply be installed from squeeze and I am not sure what is going on on your system but "apt-cache policy apache2" would tell me. python-nltk is not from Debian and NLTK is (unfortunately!) not packaged in Debian at this point so you have to install that locally ... The whole "r-base-*" stuff was installed from that unsupported (by us!) third party repository and ... |
| 10:15.51 | babilen | ... is (hopefully) simply a new version of R |
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| 10:16.09 | babilen | Hanumaan: As your users seem to require a new version of R you have to think how to satisfy that need. |
| 10:16.14 | babilen | judd: v r-base |
| 10:16.15 | judd | Package: r-base on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.1-6; wheezy: 2.15.1-4; sid: 3.0.1-3; jessie: 3.0.1-6; sid: 3.0.1-6 |
| 10:16.40 | Hanumaan | babilen, I want to install these : sudo apt-get install open-iscsi open-iscsi-utils |
| 10:16.51 | Hanumaan | is it possible ? should I install ? |
| 10:17.05 | babilen | Hanumaan: As you can see ^^^ wheezy has 2.15 whereas squeeze has 2.11, which means that you could maybe get away simply by upgrading your oldstable (squeeze) system to the current stable (wheezy) |
| 10:17.17 | babilen | judd: v open-iscsi |
| 10:17.18 | judd | Package: open-iscsi on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.871.3-2squeeze1; jessie: 2.0.873-3; sid: 2.0.873-3; wheezy: 2.0.873-3 |
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| 10:18.28 | visof | hi |
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| 10:18.43 | visof | how can i print all lines between regexp match to the end of file? |
| 10:18.49 | babilen | Hanumaan: yes, that is possible, but I would clean up the mess first before you continue. You should, in particular, try to make sure that both aptitude search commands do not list a single package anymore. That can be done by purging them (aptitude purge ~o), but that might not be what you want to do for every single package in that list (see above): Work on each package and either replace it with a version in the repositories or purge it or ... |
| 10:18.55 | visof | maybe we can use sed but i don't know how |
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| 10:19.34 | babilen | visof: There is a wonderful ##regex channel too! (let alone #sed and ##workingset and ...) |
| 10:19.47 | Hanumaan | babilen, so I can install but I will get older version of iscsi ? for a temporary period .. I will surely consider to upgrade .. |
| 10:19.47 | babilen | Hanumaan: Okay, I'll be back later. Good luck! |
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| 10:20.01 | Hanumaan | babilen, sure thanks a lot .. will talk later .. |
| 10:20.29 | babilen | Hanumaan: You can install those packages quite fine, but your system is in an inconsistent state right now. Work on fixing that before you tackle something new. |
| 10:21.09 | Hanumaan | babilen, thanks very much I will work on it .. |
| 10:22.15 | babilen | Hanumaan: I am sure that other people in this channel can help you if you run into problems (e.g. "What to do with apache?") |
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| 10:22.40 | milo64 | how do i format my PGP encrypted message to plain text? |
| 10:24.03 | xcheng | amortize |
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| 10:24.55 | koollman | milo64: --armor |
| 10:25.07 | xcheng | oh that :x |
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| 10:32.58 | milo64 | ohk thans |
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| 10:35.57 | milo64 | gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available |
| 10:36.06 | milo64 | koo |
| 10:36.08 | milo64 | koollman: |
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| 10:43.02 | milo64 | koollman: oh please :) you are a human too ;) |
| 10:44.01 | koollman | milo64: I am ? :) |
| 10:44.14 | milo64 | you are not an irresponsive computer running windows XP, my friend. |
| 10:44.18 | milo64 | gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available |
| 10:44.20 | milo64 | ^^^ |
| 10:44.32 | milo64 | gpg --armor file |
| 10:44.33 | koollman | milo64: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x110.html |
| 10:45.02 | koollman | milo64: I probably misunderstood the first question. but the error shows gpg thinks it's not a known key |
| 10:45.14 | milo64 | :/ |
| 10:45.15 | milo64 | hmm |
| 10:46.13 | milo64 | so i need to make a new secret to send 2 my friend, then? |
| 10:46.29 | milo64 | right? |
| 10:46.49 | bhuddah | what? |
| 10:46.53 | bhuddah | no |
| 10:47.17 | bhuddah | gpg should be public key... secrets are kept and public keys are public |
| 10:47.31 | milo64 | no |
| 10:47.33 | milo64 | lool |
| 10:47.36 | milo64 | look |
| 10:47.38 | milo64 | * |
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| 10:48.07 | bhuddah | where? |
| 10:49.23 | milo64 | see... i gave him the pgp encrypted message (that has not been armored in ascii, it's still sitting there being chineese). He would like the ASCII version, how can I translate the output into ASCII armored text? |
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| 10:50.24 | bhuddah | milo64: make a new encryption and don't forget to add the armour |
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| 10:50.54 | milo64 | create a new secret message and encrypt it and add armor to it again? |
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| 10:51.02 | bhuddah | what? |
| 10:51.08 | bhuddah | the message can be the same. |
| 10:51.11 | milo64 | (i do not mind doing it again) but is that right? |
| 10:51.13 | milo64 | wait |
| 10:51.15 | milo64 | god! |
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| 10:51.50 | bhuddah | what? |
| 10:51.56 | milo64 | okay... create a new secret message (with the same text) and encrypt it and armor it? right? |
| 10:52.02 | bhuddah | i would do that |
| 10:52.11 | milo64 | right? man? |
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| 10:52.19 | milo64 | great, sigh... |
| 10:52.21 | milo64 | thx |
| 10:52.29 | bhuddah | do you have the right keys to encrypt and sign it? |
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| 10:53.24 | milo64 | idk |
| 10:53.28 | milo64 | okay, look |
| 10:53.50 | spooz | hey. Is anyone here familiar with setting up an extreme networks summit 24e3 switch? |
| 10:54.24 | milo64 | i created the "pgp encrypted message that RIGHT NOW, cannot be armored" and my system broke, so, i copied my .gpg/ folder and paste it to a new system and i am "armoring" in this new system |
| 10:54.34 | milo64 | the .gpg is exact same |
| 10:54.40 | bhuddah | what? o0 |
| 10:55.07 | bhuddah | talk about a complicated use case... |
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| 10:56.00 | milo64 | i don |
| 10:56.05 | milo64 | i don't know what i am dealing about, thx, bye |
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| 10:58.49 | xcheng | that explains it |
| 10:59.02 | bhuddah | a lot. |
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| 11:20.16 | Becater | hello there :) |
| 11:20.54 | Becater | will Debian runn on 32GB RAM and a 8 core CPU? |
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| 11:22.01 | colo-work | it runs here on 512GB RAM on 48 cores, so yeah, it will. |
| 11:22.36 | bhuddah | colo-work: nice machine :) |
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| 11:23.45 | milo64 | . |
| 11:23.45 | milo64 | irc channel with wrinkles :) |
| 11:24.21 | Becater | vill it also run on a dual core 2.2GHz Celeron and 4GB RAM? |
| 11:24.34 | bhuddah | sure |
| 11:25.03 | colo-work | it runs here on a i586-class CPU clocked at about 400MHz with 64MB of RAM, so yeah, it will |
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| 11:51.15 | Stygia | Hello, brief question. Is there some way to install both the amd64 and x64 variant of a package? APT wants to remove the package:i386 file when I try to install the native one, but as the files themselves don't overlap and some i386 (wine) applications complain about it missing, I got to wondering if I can somehow force install both at the same time without breaking my system. |
| 11:51.17 | Stygia | Any way to do so? |
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| 11:51.31 | Stygia | Specifically, I'd love p11-kit:i386 and p11-kit:amd64 at once. |
| 11:51.51 | NoOova_away | s |
| 11:51.58 | Stygia | I'll just find the .o files and copy them in in case it's impossible but it would be neat. |
| 11:52.01 | NoOova_away | Hello all! |
| 11:52.26 | NoOova_away | I just update to latest unstable release and now i could not login to the system |
| 11:52.40 | NoOova_away | click to anywhere in login screen does not work |
| 11:53.10 | NoOova_away | i could login to system with command "startx gnome-session", and after login works only first click |
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| 11:53.34 | NoOova_away | and after it system does not respond to the next clicks |
| 11:53.39 | bartzy | Hi |
| 11:54.00 | bartzy | What is the difference between wheezy's mini.iso installer and the net installer ? netinst is 200MB+ , mini.iso is 30MB. |
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| 11:59.57 | ksk | mini is smaller? ;) |
| 12:01.14 | Pudge | NoOova_away: don't try to upgrade to unstable unless u can handle the problem urself |
| 12:02.00 | NoOova_away | Pudge: i think that i can |
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| 12:02.24 | NoOova_away | I could not find entrypoint to determine where bug happens |
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| 12:03.45 | afenkart | which package contains the manual for pthread_rwlock_init et al. |
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| 12:06.39 | nkuttler | !tell afenkart about apt-file |
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| 12:09.15 | afenkart | nkuttler, gratitude |
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| 12:09.51 | Pudge | bartzy: netinst contains a minimal system which will be installed on ur machine, then it will begin to install the packages from the repo correspond the version of the netinst.iso |
| 12:10.01 | slidesinger | bartzy: I have never used mini, but netinst is easy to use and grabs everything across the network, either from a local mirror that you build yourself or, more commonly from a mirror on the internet. Going strictly by the size, I would say netinst has more files on the CD to make installation simpler. Look at the release notes for each of the installers for more information. |
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| 12:10.34 | Pudge | bartzy: mini.iso can just boot ur machine and then u have to choose a stable/testing/unstable repo to begin the installation |
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| 12:11.53 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
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| 12:12.25 | AlexC_ | I'm not using split config |
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| 12:55.36 | charli | Hi, anyone have experienced this?--: xscreensaver black the screen occasionally while you typing. I'm using `awesome` started from `startx`, thx |
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| 13:04.15 | charli | If i keep typing it will light up again when it happens. I have set `fading` on. |
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| 13:14.53 | Pudge | charli: maybe u set some shortcut for executing xscreensaver? |
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| 13:17.21 | niklaswe | men man är ju så jävla lat för att fixa sånt3 |
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| 13:23.02 | catmando | heyall |
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| 13:25.04 | jelly | !se |
| 13:25.05 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
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| 13:28.29 | charli | Pudge: thank you. I set it fn+F3 (laptop). And i am using an external USB keyboard, so it hard to miss press.:) |
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| 13:44.00 | johntyson | Hello. I'm a user of Linux, but newly looking at Debian. I can't get my head around the packaging system. Am I right in thinking that in reality most people in production use unstable or testing? I looked at the packages in stable, and they're archaic! Years out of date. How can people deploy systems using such old software? |
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| 13:44.57 | cstdio | !tell johntyson about meaning of stable |
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| 13:45.37 | themill | johntyson: how do you figure years out of date? |
| 13:45.40 | cstdio | unstable and testing are just that, unstable and testing. |
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| 13:46.28 | johntyson | themill: I use JRuby for example, and in stable there is only 1.5, that's a full two major releases out of date - 3 years! |
| 13:46.35 | cstdio | !tell johntyson about moving target |
| 13:47.12 | johntyson | cstdio: are those commands to some bot, because I'm not being told anything |
| 13:47.37 | cstdio | johntyson: if you /msg dpkg testing; it says do not use on things that are critical or on servers |
| 13:47.37 | themill | the bot has been telling you things |
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| 13:47.59 | cstdio | Perhaps you have umode +g |
| 13:48.03 | themill | And one pet package being old doesn't make the other thirty thousand old. |
| 13:48.53 | johntyson | Ok, so I get the philiosophy, and I'm not arguing with it - but in reality do you think most deployments use unstable and testing, and is that what I should look at if my normal policy is to target latest releases of things like languages and libraries? |
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| 13:49.35 | themill | that particular package is also a right pita because it's the fusion of all the problems of ruby and all the problems of jva |
| 13:49.44 | Shadur | johntyson: I have several production servers running stable. |
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| 13:50.07 | cstdio | I have a production server running stable, also |
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| 13:50.24 | johntyson | I guess I can run the stable system, and just install the binary of jruby if I want that, can't it? |
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| 13:51.05 | cstdio | that's mixing releases, unsupported and *can* and *will* damage your system |
| 13:51.07 | mariok | Hello guys |
| 13:51.11 | themill | whether that works out with any other ruby package in debian, I have no idea |
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| 13:51.22 | cstdio | I'm not sure about compiling from source though |
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| 13:55.39 | mariok | Over one years ago I opened the Debian bug #662003 related to apt-move in version 4.2.27-1+b8. in Debian unstable apt-move has the version 4.2.27-3. Why is it listed on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=apt-move;dist=unstable ? |
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| 13:56.43 | mariok | The reason for my question: I created a patch for apt-move in version 4.2.27-1 a |
| 13:56.43 | mariok | nd another patch for apt-move in version 4.2.27-3. Should I respond to the bug # |
| 13:56.43 | mariok | 662003 with both patches or should I create a new bug for apt-move in version 4. |
| 13:56.44 | mariok | 2.27-3 ? |
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| 13:58.42 | f8l | mariok: Unresolved bugs migrate to newer versions. I think it's OK to post a patch to an older version. Just state it when doing so. |
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| 13:59.04 | themill | mariok: the bug is the same bug in the newer version. It hasn't been fixed yet so you just keep posting to the same bug. |
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| 13:59.49 | mariok | okay so I will respond 2 times to the same bug? one time for version 4.2.27-1 and a second time for the version 4.2.27-3 ? |
| 13:59.51 | themill | mariok: I don't think there's really anyone caring for apt-move at the moment -- perhaps you'd be interested in taking responsibility for it if you use it |
| 13:59.53 | mariok | is that right? |
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| 14:00.25 | swi | Hello. I need help! After yesterday's update (i'm on sid) gnome-shell hangs, and after reboot it's start onl;y in fallback mode. |
| 14:00.27 | themill | mariok: the bug tracking system already knows that the bug hasn't been fixed. If there's no new information to add, you don't need to do anything |
| 14:00.43 | f8l | swi: Go to #debian-next. |
| 14:01.07 | themill | (on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 14:01.35 | swi | f8l: ouch. thanks |
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| 14:01.43 | mariok | themill: I know there is no official maintainer for apt-move yet. I did a lot of work to fix issued in apt-move. |
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| 14:02.06 | mariok | but I'm not a debian developer |
| 14:02.49 | themill | mariok: that's not a problem. |
| 14:02.52 | themill | dpkg: tell mariok about mentors |
| 14:02.59 | mariok | If I submit the patch (it is ready and tested). Some maintainer have to respond to the patch right? |
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| 14:04.48 | cstdio | mariok: technically you could become the maintainer I guess. |
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| 14:08.53 | fishsponge_ | hello! one one box "update-notifier" does pop up when updates are available, but on another box it doesn't run... how do I get it to run when I login? |
| 14:09.25 | fishsponge_ | (or when the PC starts)... basically, I want "update-notifier" to notify me of updates in the notification area, for example! |
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| 14:15.43 | TheWarden | Hi, how could one set the timezone programmatically? I realize one can set it using tzselect or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata. However that is an interactive way to set the timezone. I just want to set it directly vi command line without interaction. |
| 14:16.43 | jelly | TheWarden: dpkg-reconfigure asks some questions and stores the answers in the "debconf" database. You can preseed those answers. |
| 14:17.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell TheWarden about debconf-set-selections |
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| 14:19.44 | TheWarden | jelly: well that works great and I have done that via the preseed file. However that is only usable at installation time. I want to be able to change the timezone after that fact. So for example a web site allows the user to set a timezone. Then the client (Debian system) checks into the server and says set timezone to America/New_York. |
| 14:20.58 | TheWarden | jelly: I then need to relay that to the Debian system to set the timezone hence why I don't want to use an interactive way to set it since there will be no one sitting at the system's keyboard. This would be done programmatically. |
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| 14:21.26 | themill | TheWarden: sure.... that's why jelly told you that |
| 14:21.33 | jelly | TheWarden: you can do pretty much the same thing, put the answers in the debconf database and rerun dpkg-reconfigure with noninteractive frontend |
| 14:22.16 | jelly | TheWarden: read about frontends in man 7 debconf |
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| 14:24.42 | TheWarden | ohhh sorry, I didn't understand that. Interesting... mmm okay I'll read up on this. Thanks. |
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| 14:31.50 | TheWarden | So would this be a good approach then, echo "Europe/New_York" > /etc/timezone dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata ? |
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| 14:36.35 | aguitel | i have this card :GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS ,what is better ,nouveau or nvidia with it ? |
| 14:37.10 | himuraken | For 3d, you should use the nvidia binary. If you want opensource only, stick to nouveau |
| 14:38.20 | aguitel | 3d is for games ? |
| 14:38.31 | jelly | TheWarden: I don't think /etc/timezone was mentioned anywhere, but the code in /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.config seems to actually look there |
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| 14:39.16 | jelly | TheWarden: so I'm giving it a tentative "yeah" with a side of "never tested that" |
| 14:39.17 | himuraken | aguitel, 3d could be for games. Also helpful if you are running anything like gnome3/cinnamon etc. 2D and 3D performance is certainly better with the closed driver. |
| 14:39.33 | TheWarden | jelly: yeah, it appears one could do that but I'll look still at using debconf-set-selections. Trying to figure it out. |
| 14:40.04 | jelly | also, I don't think there is a New_York in Europe |
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| 14:40.28 | aguitel | himuraken, ok |
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| 14:43.30 | Doyle | Hey. Are you able to print just a single or range of pages from a tiff file using lp? |
| 14:43.37 | jelly | TheWarden: probably something like echo -e "tzdata tzdata/Areas select America\ntzdata tzdata/Zones/America select New_York" | debconf-set-selections && dpkg-reconfigure ... |
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| 14:44.12 | jelly | TheWarden: (as glanced from debconf-get-selections|grep ^tz) |
| 14:45.02 | Zitter | why sudo mount -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /path/to/dir returns "Unrecognized mount option "umask=022" or missing value"? |
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| 14:45.44 | bhuddah | Zitter: unrecognized option. |
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| 14:45.50 | bhuddah | Zitter: umask is set in the shell |
| 14:45.51 | Zitter | maybe because disk is EXT4? |
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| 14:46.32 | Zitter | from man mount it seems that umask option is available only for FAT, but I need to use as normal user... how to do? |
| 14:46.37 | joltcan | Zitter: what bhuddah said, umask is only seen for fat |
| 14:46.38 | dimitry7 | hello guys, does anyone know who can I talk to in freenode to be unblocked from the #postfix mailing list? |
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| 14:46.54 | joltcan | Zitter: just chmod as usual |
| 14:47.03 | Zitter | tried, with no luck |
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| 14:47.19 | Zitter | I retry with 0777 |
| 14:47.44 | joltcan | Zitter: mount it, then change the permisson on the dir |
| 14:47.59 | Zitter | ok thank you |
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| 14:48.51 | mariok | thank you for your support |
| 14:48.52 | mariok | bye |
| 14:48.58 | Zitter | it worked thanks again jo |
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| 14:49.04 | TheWarden | jelly: well I tried doing this https://gist.github.com/thewarden/48a1cf6a38de3cdf91b3 and my timezone has not changed. |
| 14:49.25 | jelly | TheWarden: did you log off and back on? :-) |
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| 14:50.37 | TheWarden | jelly: Well no I didn't actually. I'm connected via SSH with two separate sessions. I logged out of the one session and back in again via SSH but no change. |
| 14:51.11 | jelly | TheWarden: dunno, wfm... http://paste.debian.net/28012/ |
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| 14:53.01 | n0c | good morning all |
| 14:53.34 | TheWarden | good morning |
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| 14:55.16 | himuraken | .. |
| 14:55.33 | TheWarden | jelly: Well the only thing I can think of is I'm still on Squeeze is this a Wheezy thing or newer? I even copied and pasted what you did and my timezone never changed. |
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| 14:55.43 | himuraken | .. |
| 14:55.43 | TheWarden | jelly: I ran it as root btw. |
| 14:55.57 | himuraken | Just a text color test, please ignore. |
| 14:56.21 | jelly | TheWarden: yeah, this is on wheezy but I don't think there have been any relevant changes |
| 14:57.10 | TheWarden | jelly: mmm would ntp have anything to mess this up? |
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| 14:57.36 | TheWarden | I can;t see it but just trying to think why this is not working. |
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| 14:58.52 | jelly | no |
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| 15:00.36 | TheWarden | okay, well then I have no idea left as to why this wouldn't work for me. |
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| 15:03.51 | TheWarden | Even though I don't want to go this way as I should be doing it correctly via debconf I was able to change the timezone doing this echo "America/New_York" > /etc/timezone | dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata |
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| 15:05.21 | tuxIO | hi |
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| 15:05.38 | tuxIO | I have added a ethernet adapter to a debian box. How can I let debian detect + install it? |
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| 15:06.46 | linedash | tuxIO, it should be visible via 'ip a' |
| 15:06.49 | bhuddah | tuxIO: in case of doubt; reboot *laughs* |
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| 15:07.03 | linedash | at which point you can add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:07.06 | bhuddah | but i guess you didn't add it in live. |
| 15:07.08 | dimitry7 | hello guys, does anyone know who can I talk to in freenode to be unblocked from the #postfix mailing list? |
| 15:07.21 | jelly | TheWarden: the code in tzdata.config explicitely reads /etc/timezone and prefers that to any provided answers |
| 15:08.02 | jelly | TheWarden: why? No idea. if you rm -f /etc/timezone, then it goes and uses the stuff from debconf |
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| 15:09.12 | TheWarden | jelly: oh really, strange. Well maybe I should be doing it this way then. I just find it odd that you can change it via debconf yet I can't. |
| 15:09.16 | jelly | TheWarden: thus, your line is shorter than rm -f /etc/timezone && echo -e "tzdata tzdata/Areas select America\ntzdata tzdata/Zones/America select New_York" | debconf-set-selections && dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 15:09.34 | jelly | TheWarden: my system did not have /etc/timezone that first time it worked |
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| 15:09.45 | TheWarden | jelly: Ohhh okay, let me try this then. |
| 15:10.50 | dimitry7 | How can I block an IP for not sending spam to my server? |
| 15:10.55 | dimitry7 | i use postfix |
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| 15:11.45 | dimitry7 | this IP tries to login too. |
| 15:11.52 | TheWarden | jelly: oh boy this is stranger now. I ran rm -f /etc/timezone && echo -e "tzdata tzdata/Areas select America\ntzdata tzdata/Zones/America select New_York" | debconf-set-selections && dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata |
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| 15:12.00 | jelly | dimitry7: for... _not_ sending spam? |
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| 15:12.14 | TheWarden | jelly: and now for some reason the timezone is changed to 'Etc/UTC' instead of New York. |
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| 15:12.41 | ksk | jelly: i guess the goal he wants to reach that it stops sending spam ;) |
| 15:12.44 | jelly | ! |
| 15:12.45 | dimitry7 | jelly, lol, sorry, for sending |
| 15:12.59 | dimitry7 | yes, sure :-) |
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| 15:15.32 | dimitry7 | how can I do it? |
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| 15:17.45 | dimitry7 | jelly, ? |
| 15:17.49 | TheWarden | jelly: okay something has changed with tzdata from Squeeze to Wheezy. I tried doing the command by removing the timezone file first then select the timezone and dpkg-reconfigure... and it worked on Wheezy but I had to remove the /etc/timezone in order to do it. However doing the same thing on Squeeze doesn't work. |
| 15:18.15 | TheWarden | jelly: even running tzselect the prompts are very different in Squeeze vs Wheezy. |
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| 15:18.50 | jelly | dimitry7: You'll probably want to add a check_client_access map to smtpd_client_restrictions in main.cf. Read http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html |
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| 15:19.34 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay, thank you, let me check |
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| 16:09.35 | emilsedgh_ | anyone could explain to me why is mtr much much faster than traceroute in initially finding the path? |
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| 16:12.28 | boblee | emilsedgh_: mtr uses "real" ICMP while traceroute does not. |
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| 16:13.56 | emilsedgh_ | boblee: care to explain or give me some threads i can follow? |
| 16:14.17 | boblee | use tcpdump and see for yourself. |
| 16:14.23 | zinx | boblee: debian's traceroute can use ICMP too :/ |
| 16:14.28 | emilsedgh_ | will try, thanks boblee. |
| 16:14.37 | boblee | can yes, if specified in arguments |
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| 16:17.43 | emilsedgh_ | yes, traceroute -I is just as fast. |
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| 16:20.08 | boblee | yes, I would suggest to always use the -I when using traceroute as some people, such as myself, filter it out. |
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| 16:20.42 | boblee | to make clearer I filter out non-ICMP. |
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| 16:47.26 | patsToms | it's good idea to downgrade libssl-dev to squeeze from wheezy because of one program? |
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| 16:51.58 | ksk | patsToms: its probably not even possible |
| 16:52.38 | ksk | and I personally would care taking some ssl-foo into my very own hands (as i dont know really anything about how this works) |
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| 16:54.41 | tuxIO | Because it apparently only serves to eth0, but I need it on eth1 |
| 16:54.45 | tuxIO | Can I bind the tftpd-hpa (tftp server) to a specific interface (eth1)? Because it apparently only serves to eth0, but I need it on eth1 |
| 16:57.14 | ksk | i took a quick look at the manpage and it seems you can only give it some ipaddress |
| 16:57.17 | ksk | so give the right one!? |
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| 16:57.43 | ksk | "The default is to listen to the tftp port specified in /etc/services on all local addresses." |
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| 16:59.28 | tuxIO | ksk: so on all interfaces? |
| 17:02.59 | socomm | tuxIO: you'll have to bind to IP address - so bind it to the ip address on eth0 |
| 17:04.18 | socomm | tuxIO: 'sudo netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN' |
| 17:04.31 | socomm | tuxIO: that will tell you which IP your service is listening to - look it up by port number |
| 17:04.51 | socomm | bind to ip on eth1, sorry typo |
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| 17:05.38 | tuxIO | socomm: the tftp server is not listed there, but it is started |
| 17:05.45 | tuxIO | socomm: it is not a tcp server I think, it is based on udp? |
| 17:06.47 | socomm | tuxIO: that should list both udp and tcp |
| 17:06.55 | cantoma | hey guys, I am using debian wheezy. Is there a way of opening the test document that exist in the following page ==> http://cds.bl.uk/delivery/Freelink.action?service=FILEOPEN |
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| 17:08.01 | tuxIO | socomm: so it doesn't listen at all? because it is not in the list. But there are no errors during startup, the service is running. |
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| 17:08.16 | socomm | cantoma: this looks like some sort of encrypted PDF file format |
| 17:08.25 | cantoma | socomm, that is correct |
| 17:08.27 | davidcramer_ | is there a good quick tl;dr of how apt works? I'm mostly curious if I can just mirror the web directory and add it to the sources |
| 17:08.33 | davidcramer_ | for a quick and dirty solution to a problem i have |
| 17:08.50 | socomm | cantoma: by the looks of it, its a propietary file format that requires adobe reader on MS Windows |
| 17:09.07 | socomm | cantoma: http://plugin.fileopen.com/all.aspx |
| 17:09.17 | socomm | cantoma: wow, im surprised they got a linux version |
| 17:09.20 | cantoma | socomm, it is the way British library sends documents to people |
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| 17:09.41 | socomm | cantoma: scroll down there seems to be a linux version of the 'file-open' plug-in |
| 17:09.57 | cantoma | Adobe Reader/Adobe Acrobat 7.0 or 8.0 only. |
| 17:10.06 | cantoma | but i don;t have adobe reader :( |
| 17:10.14 | cantoma | i have okular |
| 17:10.23 | cantoma | and xpdf |
| 17:10.45 | socomm | cantoma: this probably plugs into adobe via shared library, so you'll probably need to download adobe reader |
| 17:10.59 | socomm | cantoma: most of thsoe versions are available on linux as free download |
| 17:11.05 | cantoma | socomm, where can I get adobe reader |
| 17:12.18 | socomm | ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/ |
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| 17:13.14 | socomm | tuxIO: if the services listens on all interfaces just access it via the IP on eth1 and your problem should be fixed |
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| 17:13.55 | cantoma | socomm, do you think that plugin works with version 8.1.1 ? |
| 17:14.00 | cantoma | since it states 8.0 |
| 17:14.09 | cantoma | i don't see 8.0 |
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| 17:14.40 | socomm | cantoma: I couldn't tell you, I'd think it should work on 8.* - worse case you can track down 8.0.* version, but it'd start with 8.1.* |
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| 17:15.20 | cantoma | socomm, i am going to try 8.1.* just to see if i can install the plugin |
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| 17:16.53 | cantoma | socomm, is prefix enu english ? |
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| 17:18.09 | tuxIO | socomm: right |
| 17:18.12 | tuxIO | OK |
| 17:18.20 | tuxIO | Now I get the following: Aug 13 20:58:51 debian in.tftpd[3648]: RRQ from 192.168.133.133 filename provisioning/boot/ipxe/ipxe.pxe |
| 17:18.25 | tuxIO | but the tftp client of the machine times out |
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| 17:18.33 | tuxIO | TFTP open timeout |
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| 17:19.33 | socomm | tuxIO: can you test connectivity to tftp from a seperate machine? |
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| 17:19.55 | socomm | tuxIO: i'm guessing that message was triggered by DHCP |
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| 17:20.12 | tuxIO | socomm: the message comes from the tftpd-hpa server, so the interface eth1 works now |
| 17:20.31 | tuxIO | socomm: but somehow there is a timeout now, the client tries to open a tftp connection, the tftp server also logs this, but the connection doesn't want to open |
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| 17:21.30 | socomm | tuxIO: hmmm, try to fetch the file from a seperate machine |
| 17:21.54 | socomm | tuxIO: fetch manually, also do you have iptables enabled on the server? |
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| 17:22.32 | cantoma | socomm, this binaries seems to be just for 32 bits ... my machine is 64 .. do you know where i can get 64 version of adobe reader? |
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| 17:23.00 | tuxIO | socomm: no firewall, the whole system is off internet |
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| 17:25.00 | socomm | cantoma: 64 bit is backward compatible with 32, unless you got True64 (which you probably don't) |
| 17:25.14 | raboof | i have a configuration file (/etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf in this case), and i removed the package I think it belonged to (wicd/wicd-gtk in this case) with 'apt-get remove --purge', but the file didn't disappear |
| 17:25.18 | raboof | am i missing something? |
| 17:25.32 | socomm | cantoma: adobe doesn't provide 64 bit of binaries, at least not until recently, these binaries should work on your machine |
| 17:25.40 | raboof | (the file got corrupted and I want to start over with a clean slate, the proper way) |
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| 17:25.54 | exorcist | Hi |
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| 17:26.51 | socomm | raboof: should be safe to remove manually |
| 17:27.31 | socomm | raboof: remove or just rename it, rename if you're paranoid |
| 17:28.10 | socomm | tuxIO: hmmm, don't know check your config |
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| 17:30.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell cantoma about multiarch |
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| 17:30.22 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: your 64bit system can run 32bit binaries easily |
| 17:30.45 | cantoma | socomm, mumpitze1 but it says this http://pastebin.com/8HLApP4b |
| 17:31.37 | raboof | socomm: yeah i guess - seems like something's wrong though, shouldn't i be a good netizen, investigate and perhaps file a bug report? or i'm misunderstanding something, and I should learn :) |
| 17:32.12 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: then install the needed packages for i386. see what dpkg just messaged you |
| 17:32.32 | cantoma | mumpitze1, it still says the same ==> http://pastebin.com/nZiteTJ2 |
| 17:34.16 | cantoma | mumpitze1, the multiarch page is full of documentation do i need to read it all? |
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| 17:34.53 | cantoma | mumpitze1, do you think it requires many command to solve that error? |
| 17:35.04 | cantoma | command(s) |
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| 17:36.36 | mumpitze1 | not many commands. but you do need to read yes. |
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| 17:37.09 | cantoma | mumpitze1, but which document should i read ? |
| 17:37.12 | mumpitze1 | !be reading barbie |
| 17:37.12 | dpkg | But reading is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 17:37.39 | cantoma | mumpitze1, i don't mind to read but i need to guidance |
| 17:37.44 | cantoma | mumpitze1, i don't mind to read but i need some guidance* |
| 17:38.00 | cantoma | otherwise i might read the whole internet |
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| 17:38.46 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: everything you need to know https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 17:39.15 | raboof | what would be a good tool to manage my wired/wireless connections? Requirements: i want to easily discover, select, and log into random wifi networks. |
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| 17:39.50 | cantoma | mumpitze1, thanks |
| 17:40.14 | raboof | for a particular location, however, i have a special case: there I want some custom routing rules (internal IP's should be routed through the wired ethernet, but the default route should be the wifi), and the DNS from the wired connection should be used |
| 17:40.37 | raboof | (everything DHCP of course) |
| 17:40.54 | cantoma | mumpitze1, so based on that document i will try to install libgtk2.0-0:i386 |
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| 17:41.14 | raboof | what would be a good set of tools to support that? (right now I'm using wicd and some custom scripted hacks for the special location, but it's ugly) |
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| 17:41.37 | cantoma | mumpitze1, unfortunately it says this ==> http://pastebin.com/8120vHvm |
| 17:41.38 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: you will need more probably. it's not the only one Reader will need most probably |
| 17:42.27 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: please read what you paste before you paste it |
| 17:42.28 | cantoma | mumpitze1, if i do -f does it get those dependencies or ignores them? |
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| 17:43.04 | mumpitze1 | apt cannot ignore dependencies |
| 17:43.17 | cantoma | mumpitze1, it is just telling me that it depends on those packages and that those packages are not going to be installed |
| 17:43.33 | mumpitze1 | cantoma: then you aren't reading |
| 17:43.49 | cantoma | mumpitze1, what i wrote is what it says |
| 17:45.06 | Pudge | cantoma: try aptitude install xxx, it will help to find the solution |
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| 17:45.44 | mumpitze1 | Pudge: you are another one who can't read. |
| 17:45.57 | cantoma | Pudge, it is installing .. thanks |
| 17:46.19 | Pudge | cantoma: and also it tells u why it can't be installed when it can't find the solution |
| 17:46.50 | cantoma | hmm |
| 17:46.59 | cantoma | so in the end it has installed acrobat reader as well |
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| 17:47.32 | Pudge | mumpitze1: ? read what? |
| 17:47.38 | bvs | 9 |
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| 17:50.20 | Pudge | cantoma: evince is much better than adobe reader lol |
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| 17:51.04 | cantoma | Pudge, i need to open this test document ==> http://cds.bl.uk/delivery/Freelink.action?service=FILEOPEN |
| 17:51.21 | raboof | ok, so i removed /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf and reinstalled wicd-gtk - it didn't create a new /etc/wicd directory but when starting it it does complain it can't open /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf |
| 17:51.25 | raboof | now what? :) |
| 17:51.31 | cantoma | Pudge, if you manage with evince i will completely uninstall acrobat reader |
| 17:53.15 | cantoma | Pudge, i have managed to open it now with adobe reader |
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| 17:53.31 | cantoma | Pudge, i had also to install that FileOpen Plug-in |
| 17:54.15 | cantoma | Pudge, i did this http://pastebin.com/XFz9NQtz |
| 17:54.28 | raboof | (oh this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651933 - /me goes off to read up) |
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| 17:56.11 | Pudge | cantoma: I just downloaded the file |
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| 17:56.19 | mumpitze1 | !tell raboof about confmiss |
| 17:56.31 | Pudge | cantoma: i tried to open it with evince, |
| 17:56.44 | Pudge | cantoma: it asks me a password |
| 17:56.59 | cantoma | Pudge, i know |
| 17:57.05 | cantoma | Pudge, not with adobe reader |
| 17:57.21 | Pudge | cantoma: lol, so what does that password for? |
| 17:57.50 | Pudge | cantoma: if anyone who has adobe reader can open it |
| 17:58.13 | mumpitze1 | DRM |
| 17:58.51 | nodiscc | some PDFs have a blank password, just sayin |
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| 17:59.06 | nodiscc | you can usually work around it with qpdf and pdfcrack |
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| 18:00.05 | cantoma | Pudge, http://imagebin.org/268314 |
| 18:00.41 | raboof | mumpitze1: thanks that makes sense. also, i just noticed i should've been looking at the 'wicd-daemon' package rather than 'wicd-gtk' (doh) |
| 18:00.59 | Pudge | cantoma: lol nice fvwm |
| 18:01.10 | cantoma | is wmaker |
| 18:01.23 | Pudge | -_- |
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| 18:01.38 | cantoma | Pudge, anyways it only allows me to open it once .. then it gives error |
| 18:01.53 | Pudge | tryagain: what nodiscc says |
| 18:02.01 | Pudge | cantoma: try what nodiscc says |
| 18:02.22 | Pudge | fuck there is sm1 named tryagain |
| 18:02.22 | cantoma | but it doesnt ask for password |
| 18:02.35 | cantoma | and next time i try to open it says: error: cannot find server |
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| 18:03.22 | cantoma | and for the moment it works so no need to hack |
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| 18:03.27 | cantoma | i will open and print |
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| 18:14.21 | smw | hi all, I just paired a bluetooth mic in the gnome gui. However, the mic isn't showing up in sound settings. aplay -l only lists analog/hdmi and not the mic |
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| 18:15.25 | jelly-home | smw: a microphone typically isn't a device for playing things, but recording things |
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| 18:16.00 | jelly-home | smw: can you fire up pavucontrol and look at Input Devices tab and Configuration tab |
| 18:16.20 | smw | jelly-home, it is a headset, it includes speakers |
| 18:16.46 | smw | jelly-home, installing pavucontrol now |
| 18:17.00 | smw | hm... pulseaudio is a suggest package. I thought I had pulse |
| 18:17.21 | jelly-home | me too, I thought gnome used pulse by defaults |
| 18:17.48 | smw | jelly-home, oops, wrong computer... |
| 18:18.07 | raboof | today, pulseaudio on the company fileserver? :) |
| 18:18.29 | smw | raboof, nah, just my vagrant vm |
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| 18:19.12 | smw | jelly-home, odd, I can't seem to install packages, it is stalling at 0% [Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org (149.20.20.135)] |
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| 18:20.33 | psilo3_ | Trying to make a new custom service based on /etc/init.d/skeleton -- Is my $DAEMON responsible for backgrounding itself? The 'start' command "works" but just hangs, does not return. |
| 18:21.06 | smw | jelly-home, pauvcontrol started |
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| 18:21.37 | smw | jelly-home, the options for input devices are "internal microphone", "microphone", and "line in" |
| 18:22.47 | smw | jelly-home, what should I do to debug? |
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| 18:25.47 | smw | jelly-home? |
| 18:26.08 | yehoshua | ciao |
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| 18:29.44 | yehoshua | ci sei mirko |
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| 18:32.00 | yehoshua | Mirko |
| 18:32.04 | tuxIO | Why is /etc/init.d/networking restart deprecated? When it cannot re-enable some interfaces, why don't they fix it that it can? |
| 18:32.32 | yehoshua | yehoshua |
| 18:33.23 | kill | hey |
| 18:33.43 | yehoshua | mirko |
| 18:33.48 | yehoshua | sei tu |
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| 18:33.56 | kill | si |
| 18:34.00 | kill | hos critto |
| 18:34.00 | yehoshua | aaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 18:34.04 | kill | kill machiney |
| 18:34.26 | kill | ho voltuto scegliere un nome tipo alla rage against the machine |
| 18:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | guys... I think you can do the reunion-type of stuff in #debian-offtopic instead of here |
| 18:34.28 | kill | ahaha |
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| 18:34.34 | kill | cos'è sto coso?! |
| 18:34.36 | yehoshua | bene allora da oggi in poi questa è il nostro posto segreto |
| 18:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | last time i looked, it was also an english-language channel... |
| 18:35.05 | jhutchins | tuxIO: It's deprecated because so many systems are moving to user-space managed connections (network-manager, wicd), and network start/stop doesn't do those. |
| 18:35.09 | yehoshua | allora il tuo amico |
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| 18:35.15 | jhutchins | tuxIO: I agree, it should be possible to fix it. |
| 18:35.20 | kill | ah si lui |
| 18:35.22 | kill | sa |
| 18:35.27 | kill | anche l'indirizzo |
| 18:35.31 | jhutchins | !it |
| 18:35.31 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:35.33 | yehoshua | bene |
| 18:35.38 | smw | jelly-home, in case you are curious. The issue was the same issue I always have with debian. A magic package that makes everything work wasn't installed. In this case, pulseaudio-module-bluetooth |
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| 18:36.10 | yehoshua | andiamo su debian it |
| 18:36.50 | yehoshua | #debian-it |
| 18:36.57 | yehoshua | kill |
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| 18:37.02 | kill | ci sono già |
| 18:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, hm, but I remember it didn't even work with sarge... if someone added a message instead of fixing it... well, maybe for the reason you named (or there's some intrinsic problem that can't be fixed without creating a much worse problem, which was my first suspicion) |
| 18:37.13 | mumpitze1 | yehoshua: /join #debian-it |
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| 18:38.57 | Pudge | no use, Italiano just care about Pizza and Mama, they never and ever care of other thing, |
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| 18:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought they care about !list ... so this was a surprise. But we can move THAT to #debian-offtopic as well |
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| 18:47.27 | confusid | for backports is there a stable-backports or do I have to say wheezy-backports? |
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| 18:47.57 | jelly-home | confusid: you always ought to use the codename in sources.list |
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| 18:48.31 | confusid | ty |
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| 18:52.01 | xchg | hey, is it still possible to install unsupported lenny with the netinstall iso? |
| 18:52.17 | xchg | I can't find a working mirror in the list |
| 18:52.39 | gnarface | dpkg: tell xchg about snapshots |
| 18:53.41 | gnarface | xchg: it has been removed from the repos for a long time now |
| 18:54.01 | gnarface | xchg: it should theoretically still be installable via snapshots but its no longer maintained or supported |
| 18:54.10 | gnarface | xchg: you're advised to use wheezy now |
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| 18:54.34 | xchg | I am installing it because I specificaly need a old linux distro |
| 18:55.32 | confusid | do I need to have a 2nd line just for backports or would this be acceptable? "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy wheezy-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 18:56.01 | Pudge | confusid: another line |
| 18:56.05 | adamsilver | do i need to configure my network manually if i install debian or it will work like ubuntu out of the box |
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| 18:56.07 | shafire | hi |
| 18:56.15 | confusid | ty |
| 18:56.20 | shafire | in which dir does the sched.c live? |
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| 18:56.46 | shafire | I mean sched.g |
| 18:56.47 | shafire | I mean sched.h |
| 18:56.48 | shafire | sry |
| 18:56.54 | Pudge | adamsilver: outofbox for lan, u need to config a bit for wifi |
| 18:57.02 | xchg | so when I installed base system from netinstall does it contain updates released up to the point when support ended or do I need to configure mirrors and update it if I want it updated? |
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| 18:57.15 | mtn | adamsilver: it will be automatic as long as the wifi card is supported without firmware. |
| 18:58.03 | mtn | adamsilver: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:59.53 | adamsilver | mtn: is there a command i could type to find out which module is for my laptop? i am currently running ubuntu |
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| 19:00.42 | mtn | adamsilver: not sure, would recommend reading the wiki |
| 19:00.50 | Pudge | adamsilver: lscpi | grep Wireless |
| 19:01.28 | Pudge | adamsilver: then lsmod , and find which correspond to ur wifi card model |
| 19:01.35 | xchg | lspci -k will show you to current kernel module in use |
| 19:02.16 | Kobaz | oh cool |
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| 19:02.24 | Kobaz | i always used lspci -v and scrolled through the output |
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| 19:03.41 | Pudge | xchg: awesome! |
| 19:03.53 | adamsilver | thanks guys |
| 19:05.54 | Pudge | adamsilver: wellcome to Debian |
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| 19:07.29 | zerick | Exists any official Debian Facebook group? |
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| 19:08.54 | DelphiWorld | Hi Debianists |
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| 19:09.17 | DelphiWorld | Question guys, any Shell based download manager to be able to restart a large download if it's stoped? |
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| 19:10.01 | mumpitze1 | DelphiWorld: what protocol? |
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| 19:10.12 | DelphiWorld | munphttp/S |
| 19:10.27 | mumpitze1 | wget can do it |
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| 19:10.42 | nye17 | Hey folks, I tried to use my bluetooth headset for alsa audio sink, but how can I specify apps like pithos to use the bluetooth headset instead of the speaker? |
| 19:10.57 | DelphiWorld | mumixam: how? |
| 19:11.02 | DelphiWorld | mumpitze1: how? |
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| 19:11.32 | mumpitze1 | via -nc option. look it up on the manpage |
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| 19:12.02 | DelphiWorld | mumpitze1: thank so much, dude |
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| 19:27.21 | maciejjo | hello, I have problem with permission to directory- it is set to 770, but as user in the same group as is set on this directory I cannot access it. |
| 19:27.55 | Kobaz | maciejjo: what's the ls -al of the file... and what's the output of the 'groups' command, as that user |
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| 19:28.43 | C00re | whats the permissions on the parent directories then? |
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| 19:29.27 | Kobaz | that too |
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| 19:29.41 | C00re | iirc, you cant access that directory if the parent denies it |
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| 19:29.50 | Kobaz | C00re: correct |
| 19:29.54 | maciejjo | permission on parent should be right, as I can access it. |
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| 19:30.11 | Kobaz | [08 21 15:27] <Kobaz> maciejjo: what's the ls -al of the file... and what's the output of the 'groups' command, as that user |
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| 19:30.22 | jacklk | Kobaz: okay let's not be racist now |
| 19:30.32 | Kobaz | ? |
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| 19:31.02 | maciejjo | one moment |
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| 19:31.40 | SmashingX | How can I sort this file (the second column and numeric) in reverse mode? http://pastebin.com/UxfSvr0a |
| 19:31.50 | SmashingX | I did that but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:33.57 | C00re | sort -n (numeric order) |
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| 19:34.29 | SmashingX | I already did that |
| 19:34.33 | SmashingX | as you can see in the paste |
| 19:34.44 | C00re | kk |
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| 19:36.44 | DelphiWorld | Back Guys:) |
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| 19:36.52 | DelphiWorld | what's to use to md5 hash my password? |
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| 19:37.32 | Kobaz | echo -n "mypassword" | md5sum |
| 19:37.43 | maciejjo | ok turns out permission didn't update in screen session |
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| 19:37.57 | maciejjo | I didn't know it works this way |
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| 19:38.09 | C00re | uhm |
| 19:38.19 | Kobaz | machduck: group memberships don't update without intervention.. that's the only thing that works like that |
| 19:38.28 | Kobaz | maciejjo: ^ |
| 19:38.33 | Kobaz | whoops wrong name |
| 19:38.44 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: please would you repast the command? |
| 19:38.48 | Kobaz | file permissions are immediate |
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| 19:39.05 | Kobaz | you can't scroll up? |
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| 19:39.16 | Kobaz | DelphiWorld: echo -n "mypassword" | md5sum |
| 19:39.37 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: thank so much, but a stupid question ;-) |
| 19:39.41 | SmashingX | somebody? |
| 19:39.45 | DelphiWorld | what's the use of the arg "-n"? |
| 19:39.54 | Kobaz | DelphiWorld: no newline |
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| 19:40.05 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: thank so much dude |
| 19:40.14 | Kobaz | DelphiWorld: otherwise the md5sum will be of mypassword<newline> |
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| 19:40.31 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: i see a "-" added at the end, would i derop it out? |
| 19:40.38 | DelphiWorld | drop* |
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| 19:40.44 | Kobaz | drop what? |
| 19:40.55 | Kobaz | oh |
| 19:40.58 | Kobaz | from md5sum |
| 19:40.59 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: a dash (-) |
| 19:41.00 | Kobaz | yeah ignore that |
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| 19:41.17 | Kobaz | just use the first 32 characters |
| 19:41.48 | DelphiWorld | thank again Kobaz |
| 19:41.59 | Kobaz | no problem |
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| 19:46.00 | DelphiWorld | Kobaz: issue solved |
| 19:46.21 | Kobaz | yay |
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| 19:50.48 | Cyclohexane | does anyone know what's going on here? http://pastebin.com/uEDBRwtA (gmail timing out when trying to import email from dovecot over ssl) |
| 19:52.38 | boudiccas | i'm using thisalias - alias beeb='/usr/bin/get-iplayer>/home/boudiccas/cron/beeb.txt ;cd /media/boudiccas/back41/proggies ;/usr/bin/get-iplayer --get ' and want it to pause at the end, but it fails saying "ERROR: Search term(s) required for recording" how can i get it to pause then please? |
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| 19:53.43 | ezra-s | Cyclohexane, the error says itself, (no auth attempts in 25 secs) |
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| 19:54.00 | Cyclohexane | ezra-s: so how do i resolve that? |
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| 19:54.25 | atomdream | what is the channel for russian debian ? |
| 19:54.27 | thowe | So, I took the plunge and have Debian installed on my main workstation at home... |
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| 19:54.30 | ezra-s | Cyclohexane, make sure whatever you are using to connect, sends the user/password correctly in a way the server you are connecting understands |
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| 19:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ru |
| 19:55.17 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 19:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | atomdream, ^^^ |
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| 19:55.33 | thowe | I would like to be able to play Kerbal Space Program, and it requires a video card that supports Shader Model 3.0. I don't own any other games, or really play games at all, so I don't have any fancy video hardware. Should this card be OK with Debian? |
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| 19:55.35 | thowe | http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=EV-GT610_1 |
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| 19:56.44 | jacklk | thowe: that's racist |
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| 19:56.59 | atomdream | CutMeOwnThroat, wow ty :))) |
| 19:57.09 | ezra-s | thowe, 610 is very low end , but if you just want it for one game, it should do |
| 19:57.46 | atomdream | CutMeOwnThroat, it dosent work :( |
| 19:57.47 | ezra-s | thowe, it is not a matter of debian, it is a matter if the graphics card is powerful enough and you are using the correct drivers |
| 19:57.52 | Kobaz | jackieh: what about my black and white laptop... is that also racist " |
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| 19:57.54 | thowe | ezra-s, yeah, I just want to meet the requirements and not spend a lot. |
| 19:58.02 | jacklk | thowe: you said "shaders" referring to people with a darker skin tone than you. You are a racist bigot nazi. |
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| 19:58.30 | jacklk | Kobaz: you said "black and white" implying you support mixed race relationships. You are a racist. NAZI SCUM, OFF OUR STREETS! |
| 19:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, not sure I understand the question... it's also something that #bash is excellent in answering... and from looking at that alias, part of that answer is "don't use an alias, use a function"... and I'm sure there's a faq-entry for that ... lemmehavealook, ah, of course they do, here: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/080 |
| 19:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that with the caveat that I guess you want to use an argument to the alias) |
| 19:59.35 | ezra-s | thowe, that should do |
| 19:59.39 | thowe | ezra-s, It appears to be supported and it exceeds the requirements for the game (512MB, Shader Model 3). |
| 19:59.55 | thowe | ezra-s, and I have a PCI-E x16 slot, so... |
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| 20:00.04 | ezra-s | jackieh, could you stop being a troll and go to an offtopic channel if you don't want to help? |
| 20:00.11 | jacklk | ezra-s: racist |
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| 20:00.23 | jacklk | you are implying white people never help |
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| 20:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | atomdream, why not. works fine for me |
| 20:00.25 | jacklk | that's racist |
| 20:00.45 | ezra-s | !op | jacklk |
| 20:01.09 | ezra-s | thower, kerbal space program is having much success it seems, hope you like it |
| 20:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's... |
| 20:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ops jacklk |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: cutmeownthroat complains about: jacklk |
| 20:01.45 | atomdream | CutMeOwnThroat, dpkg ru ? |
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| 20:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | atomdream, /join #debian-rusian |
| 20:02.06 | ezra-s | thx CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:02.30 | jacklk | ezra-s: What for? |
| 20:02.36 | jacklk | it didn't do anythign |
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| 20:02.48 | ezra-s | hehe |
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| 20:02.51 | atomdream | CutMeOwnThroat, this channel is empty |
| 20:03.19 | ezra-s | thank you RichiH I apreciate |
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| 20:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | atomdream, typo from me... #debian-russian, mine only had one "s" |
| 20:03.42 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 20:04.05 | ezra-s | thowe, you will probably have to use nvidia driver for best results |
| 20:04.20 | thowe | ezra-s, Yeah, I figured. Is that in non-free repo? |
| 20:04.48 | RichiH | thanks for the report |
| 20:04.51 | ezra-s | thowe, I don't really know, I download from nvidia website myself, but I guess it is not recommended for everyone |
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| 20:05.33 | ezra-s | RichiH, thanks to you for silencing the troll |
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| 20:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | atomdream, and... as I already joined... the topic there points you to http://debian-russian.org/faq which may be useful :) |
| 20:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, yup, thank you :) |
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| 20:06.45 | ezra-s | thowe, do you use stable/testing/sid? |
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| 20:07.22 | thowe | ezra-s, stable. It's been installed less than 24 hours :) |
| 20:07.46 | ezra-s | thowe, try apt-cache search nvidia |
| 20:08.10 | ezra-s | probably you won't get the most updated version from there, but for starters it may be the safest |
| 20:08.32 | mumpitze1 | thowe: what videocard do you have right now? |
| 20:08.46 | thowe | mumixam, on-board Intel. |
| 20:08.51 | mumpitze1 | thowe: which one? |
| 20:08.55 | thowe | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Core/Q35/C2SBC-Q.cfm |
| 20:09.00 | thowe | I have that board. |
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| 20:09.23 | ezra-s | thowe, what you may want is "nvidia-glx" , someone correct me if I'm wrong |
| 20:09.55 | ezra-s | for the gforce 610 that is |
| 20:10.03 | thowe | according to https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers the Version 304.88 supports the GT610 |
| 20:10.27 | mumpitze1 | thowe: q35 has no integrated video. run "lspci -nn" and check what actual videocontroller you have |
| 20:11.36 | thowe | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29b2] (rev 02) |
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| 20:13.34 | mumpitze1 | strange. never knew Q35 had a IGP |
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| 20:16.52 | enthdegree | hello all |
| 20:17.01 | enthdegree | I want to boot Debian off of a portable HDD |
| 20:17.25 | enthdegree | is there an easy way to do that |
| 20:18.03 | enthdegree | The instructions just say to burn the image to the HDD |
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| 20:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds painful |
| 20:18.42 | freebirD2 | you guys, I've just installed squeeze in a hp notebook, pavilion dv4, and my wireless is not working, when I try to open that option I get a message saying that the firmware is missing |
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| 20:19.03 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: why squeeze and not debian stable? |
| 20:19.14 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: and what wlan chip do you have? |
| 20:19.49 | adamsilver | what is this file in debian.org banner: Download Debian 7.1 (32/64-bit PC Network installer) ... i burned it to usb but it's not booting. is it the wrong file for this? |
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| 20:20.59 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, man, sorry, |
| 20:21.02 | freebirD2 | wheezy |
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| 20:21.07 | freebirD2 | is the one I've |
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| 20:21.18 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: "burned" how? |
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| 20:21.47 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: unetbootin |
| 20:22.08 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: thats the problem. what OS are you running right now? |
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| 20:22.40 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: elemantary (a new distro based off ubuntu) |
| 20:22.48 | C00re | how common is it that directory /opt is used? |
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| 20:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enthdegree, "depends" basically this can be a normal install... use disk uuids for mounting if you move the disk between machines... or it can use the stuff from the debian-live project for autodetecting hardware... (for info: /msg dpkg debian-live or look at http://live.debian.net/)... debian-live also has its own channel, but not here, it's on irc.oftc.net (and there it's #debian-live – depending on what you want to do, the question might be |
| 20:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.01 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: use cat/dd/cp instead of unetbootin |
| 20:23.10 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: then use cp to copy the iso to /dev/sdb or whatever the devicename for your usb stick is. ALL data on the stick will be gone however |
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| 20:24.07 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, broadcom corporation bcm4322 802.11a/b/g/n wireless lan controller |
| 20:24.31 | freebirD2 | mumixam, it was recognized when running the installation |
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| 20:24.56 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: what is the difference? I can see the files already in my usb |
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| 20:25.24 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: the difference is that unetbootin doesn't create a bootable debian install media. |
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| 20:25.44 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: answer the question. you can use lspci -nn to look |
| 20:25.47 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Note that the linux version of unetbootin seems to work just fine. |
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| 20:26.16 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: it works in around 33-66% of all cases. or it doesn't. that's why unetbootin is not suitable for doing anything with debian isos |
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| 20:26.42 | mumpitze1 | it's a well known and old problem |
| 20:26.45 | jhutchins | Ok. I've had good luck with it, but always on linux. |
| 20:26.57 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, told you already man broadcom corporation bcm4322 802.11a/b/g/n wireless lan controller |
| 20:27.06 | mumpitze1 | !bcm4322 |
| 20:27.06 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4322 (PCI IDs 14e4:432b, 14e4:432c, 14e4:432d) - incorrectly identified as BCM432B, BCM432C or BCM432D by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is a draft 802.11n wireless LAN chip. Supported by the <b43> driver since Linux 2.6.38. Alternatively supported by the <wl> driver. Not to be confused with the <bcm43224> or <bcm43225>. |
| 20:27.15 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: thanks for the clarification, i'll try what you suggested now |
| 20:27.18 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: the real irony, is i HAVE to use unetbootin for my main box :| but i know, it causes a lot of issues for others |
| 20:27.20 | mumpitze1 | !wl |
| 20:27.20 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the BCM4312 LP-PHY and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225/43227/43228 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", this driver creates wireless interfaces with the 'wlan' prefix (see NEWS.Debian.gz). Most chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
| 20:27.39 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Especially the Windows version. |
| 20:28.12 | mumpitze1 | zykotick9: the normal debian method doesn't work for you? what motherboard is this? |
| 20:28.13 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: well, i wouldn't have any direct experience with that (i left windows a LONG time ago, pre XP-SP1 infact) |
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| 20:28.52 | moein7tl | how can I solve temperature problem with hybrid graphic cards? |
| 20:29.05 | mumpitze1 | moein7tl: what temperature problem? |
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| 20:29.31 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, isn't that a lancard model ?? |
| 20:29.35 | moein7tl | mumpitzel: it will be to high during using linux,special debian |
| 20:29.37 | zykotick9 | mumpitze1: it's an Asus M3A32-MVP, no debian images will boot since lenny. I use to install Lenny then upgrade, until i found out unetbootin works around the issue. |
| 20:29.44 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: no it's not. it's a wlan chip |
| 20:30.09 | moein7tl | mumpitzel: I had this problem in ubuntu too,but it fixed by |
| 20:30.13 | freebirD2 | lspci -nn returns a lot of stuff |
| 20:30.32 | freebirD2 | in the pc, here, not the one I'm typing from |
| 20:30.38 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: I know. but the one you wrote about is still a wlan chip. and I doubt you have 2 wlan chips in that consumer laptop |
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| 20:32.20 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, perhaps something related to ich9m ?? |
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| 20:32.44 | freebirD2 | or rtl810e/rtl8102e pci express |
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| 20:32.53 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, |
| 20:33.18 | mumpitze1 | no. that's your chipset. and none of them is a wlan chip. intel wlan chip of that era are intel wifi link 5xxx |
| 20:33.33 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: I just told you what the wlan chip is. it won't change |
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| 20:34.10 | mumpitze1 | rlt810e is an ethernet controller. not wlan |
| 20:34.12 | digdilem | One feature I liked in Zimbra, although I've now returned to standard imap/maildir/mbox was being able to summarise in one page all the mail accounts. Size of, when last accessed, how many left unread. Are there any tools (preferably web) to do this with imap or fs? |
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| 20:36.25 | Aliekzhi | do you know what's happening when a soundcard is detected as another soundcard (and without driver) ? |
| 20:36.36 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, I'm tellin you mna, that's my controller |
| 20:36.58 | Aliekzhi | according to alsamatrix, the good driver is loaded...but not assiociated to the soundcard in lspci -v |
| 20:37.00 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, can't be other, |
| 20:37.02 | freebirD2 | broadcom corporation bcm4322 802.11a/b/g/n wireless lan controller |
| 20:37.14 | freebirD2 | it says in there, WIRELESS CONTROLLER |
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| 20:38.45 | mumpitze1 | freebirD2: yes. and above: dpkg told you how to get it to work |
| 20:39.20 | mumpitze1 | !tell freebirD2 about bcm4322 |
| 20:39.24 | mumpitze1 | !tell freebirD2 about wl |
| 20:39.39 | freebirD2 | get it |
| 20:39.45 | freebirD2 | mumpitze1, nice |
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| 20:39.58 | freebirD2 | installing already |
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| 20:40.07 | CalimeroTeknik | hello |
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| 20:40.50 | CalimeroTeknik | erm, what is iface? I'm reading a guide for debian/ubuntu and this seems to be a program specific to this distribution |
| 20:41.07 | digdilem | shorthand for interface? |
| 20:41.11 | dimitry7 | Hey guys. How can I check on my postfix server if I am sending spam?? |
| 20:41.21 | mumpitze1 | CalimeroTeknik: iface usually refers to a network interface. it's not a program. which debian version do you run? |
| 20:41.37 | dimitry7 | # postqueue -p ... is OK |
| 20:41.40 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/mail* |
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| 20:42.16 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, okay, what do I look for in them? because are huge! |
| 20:42.17 | CalimeroTeknik | oh, it's syntax in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:42.19 | ShinyObjects | Hey all - is there a way to validate that a .deb is in-tact? |
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| 20:42.35 | CalimeroTeknik | I don't use debian or any derivative, was just confused for a second here |
| 20:42.38 | ShinyObjects | 1. That it actually is a .deb and not an mp3 or something |
| 20:42.50 | ShinyObjects | 2. That it is complete and didn't get truncated in transfer or the like |
| 20:43.07 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: if you send any spam mails. should be easy to spot due to the volume of them |
| 20:43.21 | mumpitze1 | ShinyObjects: file <file.deb> |
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| 20:43.53 | ShinyObjects | mumpitze1: will that also tell me if it's complete? Not just that the headers are valid? |
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| 20:44.02 | ShinyObjects | mumpitze1: and thank you :) |
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| 20:44.21 | C00re | omg. undo undo undo! haha.. "write partition tables to disk? OK" Installing system.. wtf! i wanted to paus the whole installation :( |
| 20:44.26 | mumpitze1 | ShinyObjects: no it won't |
| 20:44.28 | C00re | fail |
| 20:44.29 | C00re | :D |
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| 20:44.47 | ShinyObjects | I guess I could just try extracting it... |
| 20:45.02 | ShinyObjects | I was hoping dpkg would have an option to verify that a .deb is healthy, but I couldn't find anything in the man pages |
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| 20:45.10 | mumpitze1 | ShinyObjects: ar t <file.deb> should tell you if it's intact |
| 20:45.14 | adamsilver | I want debian with xfce, does that mean I should't choose the graphical installer? |
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| 20:45.30 | mumpitze1 | .deb files are actually files created with ar |
| 20:46.00 | zykotick9 | ShinyObjects: while dpkg may lack that feature apt/aptitude do not... use a repo, then the validity can be verified. |
| 20:46.06 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: you can get an ISO with xfce. they are available at the same place as the others |
| 20:46.49 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: OR use netinstall, don't select the desktop option, and install whatever you want after installation has completed. |
| 20:46.54 | dimitry7 | mumixam, ohh perfect. I've checked them... there are many but not together and complicated to look for... there are strings like this: from=<stefanie.sanchez@adult-child.ru> to=<stefanie.sanchez@aaamerica.com.mx |
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| 20:47.05 | dimitry7 | altroughtout the log file |
| 20:47.31 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: if you don't know any stefanie sanchez, then I guess your host is used for spam :( |
| 20:47.35 | ShinyObjects | mumpitze1: I tested ar t <file.deb> and it didn't detect when I cut a few bytes off the end |
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| 20:47.54 | capox | whats pushd? |
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| 20:47.58 | ShinyObjects | zykotick9: I would like to but my product has to be installable via a web ui and a .deb |
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| 20:48.23 | zykotick9 | ShinyObjects: fail on your "product" i'd say. |
| 20:48.26 | ShinyObjects | mumpitze1: when I extracted it with "ar x" and then tried to gzip -d data.tar.gz, gzip detected the error |
| 20:48.29 | capox | debian evidently doesnt have pushd |
| 20:48.36 | ShinyObjects | zykotick9: Sometimes you don't get to choose your requirements :\ |
| 20:48.50 | ShinyObjects | For instance, machines on the field that don't have a 'net connection |
| 20:48.52 | dimitry7 | mumixam, :-O Oh my god.... stefanie.sanchez@aaamerica.com.mx is an employee here... the =<stefanie.sanchez@adult-child.ru is a fake email...! |
| 20:49.00 | C00re | i dont get the installer, if i chose to configure lvm in the graphical installer, then it says i cant make any changes to the partition table anymore.. but that isnt true, is it? |
| 20:49.11 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, , :-O Oh my god.... stefanie.sanchez@aaamerica.com.mx is an employee here... the =<stefanie.sanchez@adult-child.ru is a fake email...! |
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| 20:49.26 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, how can I stop this from happening ? |
| 20:49.30 | mumpitze1 | capox: you sure http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pushd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any ? |
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| 20:49.52 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: secure your mailserver. could be one of your mail clients in the company is infected? |
| 20:49.54 | C00re | i mean, i can always delete the partitions and redo all |
| 20:49.57 | C00re | right |
| 20:50.19 | capox | mumpitzel well, in stable apt-cache search didn't show anything |
| 20:50.37 | dimitry7 | oh my god!!! |
| 20:50.40 | mumpitze1 | capox: what does this pushd do? |
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| 20:50.51 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: look at the full log entry |
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| 20:51.27 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: also, your employee got a message from some russian server. she didn't send it: she got some spam |
| 20:51.29 | capox | mumpitze1: beats me - it is mentioned in the node.js compile instructions here: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager |
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| 20:52.08 | mumpitze1 | capox: no it's not. I let my browser search for "pushd" on the whole page and it couldn't find it |
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| 20:53.04 | capox | mumpitze1: my bad! it's from transcription of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogprXGQWrQk |
| 20:53.22 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, okay here is the full log entry: http://pastebin.com/sYStkTXT |
| 20:53.30 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, yes actually it is. |
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| 20:55.19 | mumpitze1 | capox: I don't care about ubuntu tutorials. debian is not ubuntu. good luck |
| 20:55.37 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, that email of us is no longer a valid email, we have closed the account. |
| 20:55.51 | capox | ya, I dont care about ubuntu tutorials either |
| 20:56.28 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: then postfix should have shown you how it rejected the message |
| 20:57.12 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, did you see my full log? it seems rejected isn't it? |
| 20:57.23 | mumpitze1 | I didn't see the full log, no |
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| 20:58.03 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, here it is: http://pastebin.com/sYStkTXT |
| 20:58.42 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: someone who can't follow logs shouldn't run a mailserver. there is a "reject" in every line |
| 20:59.21 | Doyle | If you setup a test postfix server with the same domain as your live server specified as mydestination and myhostname, can that cause issues? It shouldn't unless you put in a svc record, rigth? |
| 20:59.40 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, that's what I say. So why are we still in black lists? |
| 21:00.07 | mumpitze1 | that you have to ask the blacklist, not me |
| 21:00.53 | mumpitze1 | Doyle: depends how you connect it to the internet and how you set up DNS |
| 21:01.08 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, I have, they say I am no longer blocked, but still getting email rejected from domains like @nestle.com |
| 21:01.20 | Doyle | It's jsut a host with postfix on it. Nothing but the hostname in dns as an A record |
| 21:01.51 | Doyle | shouldn't cause any issue... I'm always paranoid about mail issues, and I'd just been messing with postfix a short while ago |
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| 21:05.28 | n0c | having a hard time getting autofs working with a cifs share on wheezy |
| 21:05.58 | n0c | was expecting to see things in /var/log/kern.log but nothing recent |
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| 21:06.23 | Orbixx | Anybody know where I can get hold of a Xen paravirt image of Debian 7? |
| 21:06.34 | dimitry7 | mumixam, in the entry I gave you is rejected. |
| 21:06.43 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, in the entry I gave you is rejected. |
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| 21:07.56 | dimitry7 | mumixam, contesta petacón |
| 21:08.13 | jhutchins | n0c: Does manual mount work? |
| 21:08.37 | jhutchins | n0c: I presume you mean /var/log/messages |
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| 21:09.21 | n0c | manual mount via mount.cifs works, yes |
| 21:09.27 | n0c | no, i mean kern.log |
| 21:09.37 | Aliekzhi | debian is incompatible with Asus Xonar soundcards ? |
| 21:09.48 | n0c | automounting falls under the kernel scope of things so i only look here |
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| 21:10.05 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: if linux is "compatible", then so is debian |
| 21:10.23 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: and google says it is |
| 21:10.24 | somiaj | Aliekzhi: do you happen to know what chipset that soundcard uses? |
| 21:10.30 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, well, no way to make it work... |
| 21:10.40 | Aliekzhi | somiaj, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-oxygen |
| 21:10.41 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: show us the pci id of the card |
| 21:10.42 | Aliekzhi | this |
| 21:10.56 | Aliekzhi | http://pastebin.com/QCX2Epw1 |
| 21:10.59 | adamsilver | do i set my swap partition to primary or logical? |
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| 21:11.17 | somiaj | adamsilver: doesn't really matter. I prefer primary myself |
| 21:11.29 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, , lspci -v : http://pastebin.com/QCX2Epw1 |
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| 21:12.04 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: if you are using MSDOS partition, it might matter (there is a 4 partition limit there, extended+logical work around that limitation) |
| 21:12.06 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, somiaj, modprobe snd_oxygen doesn't fix the problem (supposed to be the good driver) |
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| 21:12.52 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: then check your dmesg output |
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| 21:14.15 | Freeder | Hi, is there any way to recover from the error "Kernal panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init- option to kernel." ? |
| 21:14.24 | Freeder | This error is preventing me from booting |
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| 21:15.20 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: did your debian ever work, or did you just install it? |
| 21:15.29 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, petacon? |
| 21:15.46 | initial | if tiger says dhclient is listening on a socket, is that normal? |
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| 21:15.57 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: english please. I can't find "petacon" in my dictionary |
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| 21:16.14 | Freeder | mumpitze1: it did work |
| 21:16.21 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: then what did you change? |
| 21:16.29 | Freeder | the status of power. |
| 21:16.38 | Freeder | as in, I turned it off, and turned it on |
| 21:16.47 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: you changed something else. what is the output of "fdisk -l" (as root) ? |
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| 21:16.49 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, http://pastebin.com/ZmvHqtVC |
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| 21:17.04 | Freeder | mumpitze1: nope. and again, i can't fully boot into it, so I can't run that |
| 21:17.32 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: I don't see any driver loaded for a CMI chip there... |
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| 21:18.08 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: but I do see a hdaudio device. |
| 21:18.20 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, well modprobe did add it to lsmod... |
| 21:18.28 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: what can you boot on that machine? |
| 21:18.53 | Freeder | mumpitze1: I have weezy. I don't know what else to tell you.. there's nothing else |
| 21:19.16 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: you are online right now. different PC? |
| 21:19.20 | Freeder | yep |
| 21:19.25 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, maybe have to modify /etc/modules.conf according to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-oxygen |
| 21:19.26 | Aliekzhi | ? |
| 21:19.40 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: then use a live cd or a usb stick to boot from that on this PC |
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| 21:20.01 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: it's a wiki page from 2008. I doubt it's still relevant |
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| 21:21.44 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, every spam line i find it says REJECTED!!!... or BLOCKED!!! |
| 21:21.45 | Freeder | mumpitze1: thats a way to go, but i'm curious if this is a known issue, or file that was corrupted (which is what I'm thinking)- do you know anything about where 'init' is set, stored, retrieved? |
| 21:23.05 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: init is the first process your kernel runs. it's in /sbin/init |
| 21:23.39 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, well any idea how to fix the problem ? |
| 21:24.33 | Freeder | mumpitze1: it sounds to me more like a parameter for init is missig or corrupted- where is init being called from? |
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| 21:25.04 | machinery | salve |
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| 21:25.26 | Aliekzhi | ok found the problem |
| 21:25.30 | Aliekzhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.32 | Aliekzhi | ... |
| 21:25.39 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, every spam line i find it says REJECTED!!!... or BLOCKED!!! |
| 21:25.44 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: load the actual driver and then look in all files in /proc/asound/ especially cards and devices |
| 21:25.45 | Aliekzhi | required for this soundcard |
| 21:25.55 | machinery | italian!? |
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| 21:26.24 | mumpitze1 | !it |
| 21:26.24 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:26.33 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: then get a backports kernel |
| 21:26.38 | mumpitze1 | ,kernels |
| 21:26.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 21:26.58 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: wheezy backports has 3.10 |
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| 21:27.14 | Aliekzhi | ok thx |
| 21:27.17 | Aliekzhi | I'll try this |
| 21:29.50 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, is there mirors for backports in all countries or only one main repo ? |
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| 21:30.43 | mumpitze1 | Aliekzhi: main repo |
| 21:30.49 | merlincorey | what do I do if I removed a package's configuration directory in /etc, purged the package, reinstalled with both apt and aptitude, but I still have no files in /etc ? |
| 21:30.56 | mumpitze1 | it will need its own line in sources.list |
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| 21:31.08 | mumpitze1 | !tell merlincorey about confmiss |
| 21:32.00 | merlincorey | thanks mumpitze1! |
| 21:32.06 | merlincorey | mumpitze1++ |
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| 21:33.05 | adamsilver | how do i check which nvidia driver is needed for my laptop? |
| 21:33.12 | merlincorey | now... what do I do if THAT doesn't work O_o |
| 21:33.22 | merlincorey | oh nevermind |
| 21:33.26 | merlincorey | I see my error |
| 21:33.31 | merlincorey | silly me! |
| 21:34.47 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: it depends on the chip it uses. so tell us and we tell you |
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| 21:35.41 | merlincorey | okay no either I am really retarded or that is just not working for me... |
| 21:35.58 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: actually that is what i meant, how can i determine the chip to search for the right driver |
| 21:36.06 | merlincorey | time to manually try dpkg |
| 21:36.07 | merlincorey | :D |
| 21:36.50 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: lspci -nn |
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| 21:37.28 | mumpitze1 | merlincorey: which package is it you deleted the config? |
| 21:39.10 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 21:39.52 | mumpitze1 | adamsilver: with nvidia your hardware might use optimus which can be very problematic under debian |
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| 21:42.12 | adamsilver | mumpitze1: does that apply to ubuntu as well? because i had it on the same machine without issues |
| 21:42.22 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 21:42.46 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: if you do have optimus, you need to use -v with lspci to see BOTH cards. does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" list 2 cards? |
| 21:43.47 | freebirD2 | dpkg, mumpitze1 I did install wl, but I still get a firmware missing message man |
| 21:43.48 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, freebirD2 |
| 21:43.49 | adamsilver | zykotick9: Actually the system installation is still in progress (58%) |
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| 21:45.09 | Aliekzhi | mumpitze1, linux-image from the backport will take everything else ? |
| 21:45.17 | Aliekzhi | (needed) |
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| 21:45.46 | mumpitze1 | maybe it will need initramfs-tools too, dunno. just try to install the kernel |
| 21:45.53 | Moony22 | Hey, what is the maximum java -Xmx for debian 32 bit? |
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| 21:46.43 | mumpitze1 | Moony22: a 32bit kernel should have at least 2GB per program. depending how the kernel was compiled, up to 3.5 IIRC. and more with PAE |
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| 21:48.26 | alphis | hey guys any reason i have annoying characters all over my screen when i open things like htop |
| 21:48.29 | alphis | or alsamixer |
| 21:48.39 | alphis | or ANYTHING that has a curses interface? |
| 21:48.53 | alphis | here is what i mean http://i.imgur.com/SJiRXrC.jpg |
| 21:49.21 | jhutchins | alphis: Release? Video drivers? Hardware? Desktop Environment? |
| 21:50.11 | alphis | no idea |
| 21:50.15 | alphis | never had this issue before |
| 21:50.18 | alphis | fresh install of deb7 |
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| 21:50.37 | alphis | i suspect theres some unicode silliness happening but dont know what the issue is |
| 21:51.05 | alphis | was hoping someone would recognize the problem and be like "oh just run unicode -remove gayness" so i can get this annoying issue over with |
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| 21:51.09 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, any answer? |
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| 21:51.51 | jhutchins | alphis: Three more questions left. |
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| 21:52.31 | jhutchins | alphis: I wasn't asking "could it be them" I was asking "what are them"? |
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| 21:54.06 | alphis | jhutchins: deb release whatever is 32bit and stable. video drivers are for intel onboard crap. hardware is lenovo x61. desktop is anything i run. lets just say xfce |
| 21:54.17 | zykotick9 | alphis: while answer all of jhutchins questions would help everyone. if you are using Xorg, try a different terminal emulator, like urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) |
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| 21:54.33 | capox | Anyone interested in testing these instructions? https://gist.github.com/csmr/6300725 |
| 21:54.33 | alphis | zykotick9: ill try that |
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| 21:54.49 | capox | (for building node.js on debian wheezy) |
| 21:54.50 | abrotman | alphis: it's likely your locale or your font |
| 21:55.50 | jhutchins | alphis: Ok, your release is wheezy/7. Specific info on the chipset (lspci -nn) might help. I presume drivers are automatically selected debian xorg drivers. |
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| 21:56.34 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: i'd think, abrotman's locale/font does make more sence then graphics drivers IMO |
| 21:56.44 | jhutchins | alphis: Yeah, if you've modified localle, font, or other issue. |
| 21:56.55 | abrotman | sense |
| 21:57.02 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Yeah, much less likely to be a driver issue with intel on stable. |
| 21:57.10 | abrotman | it has *nothing* to do with his X driver |
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| 21:57.52 | jhutchins | abrotman: Artifacts like that can be due to something writing to the wrong memory range on the card, but this is not that. |
| 21:58.01 | abrotman | no |
| 21:58.27 | abrotman | but i'm not surprised you'd think it would be related |
| 21:59.18 | jhutchins | I was going off of the description rather than the image, which makes it much clearer. |
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| 22:00.13 | Aliekzhi | If I want a backport kernel, installing the corresponding linux-image will be enough ? or Need other packages ? |
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| 22:00.46 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi: Install that, and if it needs other packages they should be dependencies. |
| 22:01.09 | jhutchins | And with the strike of the hour I'm outa here for now. |
| 22:01.18 | adamsilver | Why my Debian/Xfce looks ugly unlike the videos I see on youtube? |
| 22:01.29 | abrotman | adamsilver: you'd have to be more specific |
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| 22:02.34 | Aliekzhi | jhutchins, kk thx |
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| 22:09.44 | adamsilver | Can someone please tell me where from I can get my Graphics Card driver: http://bpaste.net/show/stjv284qVUzF4jF4Azc7/ |
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| 22:11.12 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 10de:0a28 |
| 22:11.13 | judd | [10de:0a28] is 'GT216M [GeForce GT 230M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0a28 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 22:11.17 | capox | adamsilver: from mister noveau |
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| 22:12.09 | capox | *nouveau |
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| 22:15.06 | adamsilver | capox: who is mister nouveau? :| |
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| 22:15.22 | capox | ask the apt-cache! |
| 22:15.41 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: nouveau is the free nvidia driver... |
| 22:15.42 | capox | but, I thought kernel would autodetect |
| 22:16.06 | capox | f.ex: $ apt-cache search nouveau |
| 22:16.19 | abrotman | it should |
| 22:16.27 | adamsilver | zykotick9: why not get the commercial one? |
| 22:16.28 | abrotman | unless you've installed the binary driver and it has blacklisted the nouveau |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | adamsilver: because it doesn't always work |
| 22:16.49 | zykotick9 | adamsilver: s/commercial/proprietary/ YO-YO (You're On Your Own) there |
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| 22:17.28 | adamsilver | zykotick9, abrotman: I am concerned this will be with issues just like the open java |
| 22:17.52 | zykotick9 | !tell adamsilver about nvidia |
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| 22:18.44 | abrotman | adamsilver: i have no idea what that means, i don't support the use of nvidia hardware, so you'll have to elaborate about the java connectoin |
| 22:20.02 | Aliekzhi | is it supported to install alsa from jessie on wheezy ? |
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| 22:20.25 | Pudge | Aliekzhi: ofcoz, just add tesing repo |
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| 22:20.33 | Pudge | testing |
| 22:20.39 | Aliekzhi | Pudge, ok thx :) |
| 22:20.45 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: Pudge is wrong |
| 22:20.46 | Aliekzhi | hope no dep pbs |
| 22:21.08 | Aliekzhi | mumpitzel, would create dependency conflicts ? |
| 22:21.10 | capox | supported? probably not |
| 22:21.11 | Pudge | Aliekzhi: there is no dep pbs for alsa |
| 22:21.13 | mumpitzel | Pudge: don't tell people to install stuff from testing into debian stable |
| 22:21.22 | capox | create fun dependency problems? probably |
| 22:21.34 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: what packages do you actually want from testing? |
| 22:21.40 | Aliekzhi | mumpitzel, I think he's right, there is no alsa package from backports |
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| 22:21.42 | Aliekzhi | 1.26 |
| 22:21.44 | Aliekzhi | alsa |
| 22:21.48 | zykotick9 | Pudge: recommending people mix streams is a terrible suggestion. Aliekzhi |
| 22:21.50 | Aliekzhi | needed for soundcard |
| 22:21.50 | mumpitzel | ,v alsa |
| 22:21.51 | judd | No package named 'alsa' was found in i386. |
| 22:21.59 | Pudge | alsa-util |
| 22:22.02 | capox | if you feel like having a lot of stuff to fix just add "-t unstable" to apt-get install line |
| 22:22.05 | mumpitzel | see how there is no such package anywhere? again, what do you want? |
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| 22:22.07 | Aliekzhi | alsa-base |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | Pudge: do NOT tell people to do that .. are you stupid? |
| 22:22.43 | Pudge | try some new thing, it won't kill ur computer |
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| 22:22.55 | mumpitzel | Pudge: stop this |
| 22:22.56 | Aliekzhi | ALSA 1.0.26 or kernel 3.5 are needed, but 1.0.26 isn't in wheezy backport, so I'll try Pudge's solution |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | Pudge: do not break other people's computers |
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| 22:23.14 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: when you do this, your debian will break. as abrotman just told pudge |
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| 22:23.23 | capox | might kill your alsa, though |
| 22:23.24 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: pudge wasn't quieted for nothing. |
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| 22:24.05 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: alsa-utils from testing will need libc5 2.15 which is not in debian stable. you will have dependency conflicts in the future if you do this |
| 22:24.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Aliekzhi about backports |
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| 22:25.06 | Aliekzhi | mumpitzel, alsa-base needed |
| 22:25.16 | Aliekzhi | abrotman, no alsa on backports |
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| 22:25.59 | mtn | Aliekzhi: or kernel 3.5 are needed? |
| 22:26.42 | abrotman | Aliekzhi: try the kernel first, see if it works |
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| 22:27.19 | mumpitzel | Aliekzhi: when you run the backports kernel, what is in /proc/asound/ as I asked earlier? |
| 22:27.24 | mtn | maybe he is off breaking his computer :p |
| 22:29.20 | Aliekzhi | abrotman, yeah I'll try that first, will be more simple |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | and safer ... |
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| 22:30.58 | wolfmitchell | On the live ISOs, what is the default root and user password? |
| 22:31.49 | Aliekzhi | no X... |
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| 22:32.02 | Aliekzhi | looks like headers or something didn't come with the kernel |
| 22:32.05 | Aliekzhi | ^^ |
| 22:32.22 | cafuego | headers are their own package, as are source |
| 22:33.25 | Aliekzhi | nouveau need headers ? thought it was only for proprietary modules |
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| 22:35.50 | capox | kernel modules need |
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| 22:38.00 | cafuego | Aliekzhi: Pretty much any kernel module needs to use ekrnel headers. |
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| 22:41.42 | dunpeal | Hi. I have a .deb file. Is there a way to tell what its dependencies are? |
| 22:42.29 | abrotman | dunpeal: dpkg -I foo.deb |
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| 22:46.17 | dunpeal | OK, I have a list of packages installed by apt, from /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 22:46.35 | dunpeal | Is there something like `yum revert` for that operation? |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | which does what? |
| 22:48.01 | dunpeal | will uninstall all the packages that were installed. |
| 22:48.15 | abrotman | you mean like 'aptitude remove foo' ? |
| 22:48.28 | dunpeal | right, except it's a lot more than one package |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | so put them all on one line? |
| 22:48.39 | dunpeal | basically, someone manually installed a deb |
| 22:48.46 | abrotman | judd: info debfoster |
| 22:48.47 | judd | Package debfoster (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: Install only wanted Debian packages. Version: 2.7-1.2; Size: 41.2k; Installed: 230k |
| 22:49.04 | dunpeal | that caused about 50 i386 packages to be installed |
| 22:49.16 | abrotman | are you on amd64? |
| 22:49.17 | dunpeal | abrotman: I would, but the log is messy |
| 22:49.23 | abrotman | the log can be grepped? |
| 22:49.40 | dunpeal | The log is: libkrb5-3:i386 (1.10.1+dfsg-4+nmu1, automatic), libk5crypto3:i386 (1.10.1+dfsg-4+nmu1, automatic), ... |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | okay .. so what's hard about that? |
| 22:49.51 | dunpeal | it will take me 10 minutes to clean that up to only package named. |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong .. |
| 22:50.10 | dunpeal | please show me the right way. |
| 22:50.24 | abrotman | it's not hard .. it's a little grep and awk |
| 22:50.38 | dunpeal | so easy, you can't provide a working example. |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | so easy you can't do the homework ? |
| 22:51.31 | dunpeal | give me a break. anyway, too bad aptitude doesn't have the functionality of `yum revert`. |
| 22:51.34 | C00re | euhm.. at the debian installer kernel choice.. i am not sure what to pick.. there is linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0.4-amd64 |
| 22:51.40 | C00re | what is the difference? |
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| 22:52.03 | abrotman | dunpeal: it would if the person had done it correctly to begin with |
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| 22:52.09 | abrotman | C00re: the former |
| 22:52.20 | C00re | is the first one the 2.x kernel? |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | no, it's a metapackage |
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| 22:53.14 | dunpeal | abrotman: how so? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | dunpeal: you could have processed that log file by now instead of arguing with me |
| 22:53.40 | dunpeal | I already did |
| 22:53.51 | dunpeal | but I don't see how aptitude has revert. |
| 22:53.58 | C00re | which kernel should i grab then? Hm. |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | C00re: i told you already |
| 22:54.20 | C00re | the 3.2.0.4? ok |
| 22:54.25 | C00re | sorry, a bit tired :) |
| 22:54.34 | abrotman | no .. that's not what i said |
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| 22:55.19 | fas3r | Hello all |
| 22:55.38 | Aliekzhi | is * recognized byt apt-get ? |
| 22:55.38 | fas3r | isit possible to list the LV which is using a specific PV ? |
| 22:55.44 | mtn | C00re: former means first one |
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| 22:55.58 | C00re | kk :) |
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| 22:57.10 | dunpeal | how do I show a list of all packages currently installed, with their architecture? |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dunpeal about refcard |
| 22:57.46 | zykotick9 | dunpeal: dpkg -l will show you |
| 22:58.46 | dunpeal | zykotick9: thanks :) |
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| 23:01.00 | fas3r | Hello everybody, I don't know if you saw my question before as I was not authentified. |
| 23:01.04 | fas3r | is it possible to know which LV is using a specific PV ? |
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| 23:04.39 | dimitry7 | how can I resend a rejected email in postfix? |
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| 23:04.55 | abrotman | dimitry7: did you ask #postfix? |
| 23:05.24 | dimitry7 | abrotman, Havent been able to contact a Freenode op yet |
| 23:05.26 | dimitry7 | :-( |
| 23:05.32 | dimitry7 | where do I look for them? |
| 23:05.54 | abrotman | dimitry7: in #freenode, like i told you 12 hours ago |
| 23:05.57 | james41382 | Oh the 3.10 kernel just came from backports.. nice. |
| 23:06.13 | virusuy | fas3r: lvdisplay -m LVNAME |
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| 23:07.03 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I did it... no body answered :-( |
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| 23:07.17 | cafuego | dimitry7: If it's listed in `mailq' you can reschedule it and resend it immediately: postsuper -r [message id]; postfix reload |
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| 23:07.32 | abrotman | dimitry7: be patient .. this is not the Freenode support channel .. if no one answers in 20 minutes, try again, maybe asking a more specific question |
| 23:08.04 | cafuego | dimitry7: If it's someone else's server and th email was REJECTED then it will be bounced already. |
| 23:08.04 | dimitry7 | cafuego, what a great answer :-). Thank you man!!! |
| 23:08.10 | dimitry7 | abrotman, cool dude, I will :-) |
| 23:08.27 | rorschachrev | I noticed djbdns does not have a debian package, BIND9 has a new exploit, and maradns fails to start/stop via init.d scripts reliably. What authoritative DNS service is recommended on Debian? |
| 23:08.59 | cafuego | rorschachrev: I use bind9 |
| 23:09.59 | cafuego | It has a new exploit, which means a KNOWN problem, so it can be fixed ;-) |
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| 23:10.51 | dimitry7 | cafuego, No, it's ours, just another question: I get lots of logs every second, and some (just some) are spam. We have been in blacklists recently, now we are not. I got spam assasin, but it does not block all atempts, how can I monitor that my server is not being used for sending spam? I look at the logs but not every second... |
| 23:11.03 | rorschachrev | cafuego: then you may have exploitable DNS Aug 20 2013 04:47AM http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/61479 |
| 23:11.11 | james41382 | After installing the 3.10 kernel from backports on wheezy grub now finds each of the three kernels twice 3.2, 3.9, 3.10 (twice each). Any ideas anyone? |
| 23:11.21 | cafuego | rorschachrev: I don't doubt it. I also don't worry unduly. |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | james41382: that's normal, one is normal, one is rescue |
| 23:11.55 | cafuego | dimitry7: Just mke sure it isn't an open relay. |
| 23:12.00 | rorschachrev | cafuego: It is just that sendmail resembles Bind 8/9 by CONSISTENTLY having new exploits |
| 23:12.17 | cafuego | rorschachrev: sendmail? wat? |
| 23:12.38 | james41382 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/28222/ |
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| 23:13.12 | abrotman | james41382: and? |
| 23:13.16 | cafuego | dimitry7: Check that it will say "Relay access denied' if you ty to send external mail from an external host to an external domain via your server. |
| 23:13.17 | dimitry7 | cafuego, oohh. Let me try to configure it and we'll see if I am OK |
| 23:13.18 | rorschachrev | cafuego: almost every year for over a decade sendmail had a new remote root exploit. I'd just rather not install BIND9 considering its terribly sordid history |
| 23:13.34 | james41382 | Well there are two of each.. two of each kernel and two of each rescue... wired right? |
| 23:13.36 | cafuego | dimitry7: It defaults to a safe setup, so it'll be fine unless you broke it. |
| 23:13.37 | dimitry7 | cafuego, perfect! |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | cafuego: i'll bet he's an open relay |
| 23:13.53 | dimitry7 | cafuego, okay okay, I'll take a look |
| 23:14.09 | dimitry7 | cafuego, I hope so :-) |
| 23:14.18 | jhutchins | rorschachrev: Your information in sendmail is hugely out of date. |
| 23:14.19 | cafuego | abrotman: There can be a perfectly valid reason for having 0.0.0.0/0 in $mynetworks ;-) |
| 23:14.23 | cafuego | abrotman: ohai btw |
| 23:14.43 | james41382 | abrotman: Before this update I have 3.2 plus it's rescue and 3.9 plus it's rescue, now I have 12 entries on the grub menu.6 kernel options and 6 rescue options, but there are only 3 kernels. |
| 23:14.58 | cafuego | rorschachrev: Sure.... the question is one of risk though. |
| 23:15.06 | rorschachrev | jhutchins: yeah it is, but that was historically true from about 1990 to 2002 if I recall. |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | cafuego: and hello to you as well :) |
| 23:15.27 | rorschachrev | cafuego: right, I'm just trying to get a package recommendation and I don't like bind9 |
| 23:15.52 | jhutchins | rorschachrev: ... when it was pretty much the only mailserver out there and we were transitioning from a closed scholastic internet to an open public space. |
| 23:16.01 | rorschachrev | Install New Exploitable Service? y/N? |
| 23:16.01 | cafuego | can't really recommend anything he hasn't used, so can't help you there |
| 23:16.08 | james41382 | abrotman: If you look at the paste it found each image and init twice... why? |
| 23:16.16 | jhutchins | rorschachrev: That's like saying lilo has problems with large disks. |
| 23:16.36 | rorschachrev | jhutchins: yeah, I agree with your analogy but at the same time BIND9 has *current* exploit |
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| 23:16.59 | jhutchins | As far as I know, all mail servers come packaged with a configuration that denies relaying by default. |
| 23:17.01 | rorschachrev | I was installing qmail back in 1999 |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | james41382: oh .. misread, weird |
| 23:17.27 | jhutchins | rorschachrev: By then the exploits were already out of date. |
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| 23:17.45 | rorschachrev | I didn't think asking for a DNS server package besides bind9 was going to be so arduous. |
| 23:17.46 | dimitry7 | cafuego, correct me if I am wrong, it should say: relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 192.168.7.254 .... |
| 23:18.07 | cafuego | dimitry7: Plus or minus some carriage returns |
| 23:19.04 | dimitry7 | cafuego, hehe, yes... well, then it is Ok. So I can be sure we are not sending spam? |
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| 23:19.28 | dimitry7 | because we have been blocked in spamhaus.org :-S |
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| 23:21.51 | digdilem | dimitry7, surely tailing /var/log/exim/mainlog will show you any activity? |
| 23:22.05 | digdilem | eximstats for reviewing a day |
| 23:22.41 | mgriffin | is anyone pretty familiar with mysql replication on debian? how do you handle debian-sys-maint@localhost (/etc/mysql/debian.cnf) on the slaves? |
| 23:23.02 | dimitry7 | digdilem, noup, it is empty |
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| 23:23.29 | abrotman | digdilem: postfix |
| 23:23.39 | digdilem | oh |
| 23:23.57 | digdilem | nfi then, i only use debian defaults for email :) |
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| 23:25.09 | dimitry7 | digdilem, hehe, any command to be monitoring just for spam sending? |
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| 23:25.32 | digdilem | stop thinkng of it as spam. it's email. |
| 23:25.51 | digdilem | presumably there is a way to monitor postfix's activity such as logs |
| 23:26.06 | operhiem1 | I notice cacti released some security fixes. (0.8.8b) sid has this version. I take it that it's not reasonable to install the sid version on a wheezy box? |
| 23:26.06 | digdilem | send legit email and see if it shows in those logs when you find them |
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| 23:28.25 | digdilem | dimitry7, also, http://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx may be useful |
| 23:28.31 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I will be unblocked :-) |
| 23:28.36 | dimitry7 | from #postfix |
| 23:28.41 | abrotman | dimitry7: see, not so hard |
| 23:28.46 | dimitry7 | digdilem, it says everything is Ok :-O |
| 23:29.31 | digdilem | it tests for open relay, which is only one way that you could be compromised, although probably the most common |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | is an open relay really a compromise? |
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| 23:30.52 | digdilem | good point. usually an exploitable misconfiguration |
| 23:30.58 | digdilem | it'll get you on a blacklist, anyway |
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| 23:32.43 | mgriffin | scan outgoing mail with spamassassin? |
| 23:33.02 | dimitry7 | well, I think we are secured... you see. I am starting to manage the postfix server.... my boss died so who is in charge now ? :-/ |
| 23:33.42 | digdilem | died> :/ |
| 23:33.42 | dimitry7 | no open relay... what other thing could cause us to be compromised ? |
| 23:33.51 | dimitry7 | not died. he killed himself |
| 23:33.56 | dimitry7 | and he did it at work |
| 23:33.59 | digdilem | damn |
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| 23:34.22 | rorschachrev | I'm going to be trying powerdns https://www.powerdns.com/news.html#20130611 |
| 23:34.25 | dimitry7 | He managed the email... now we are migrating to Google |
| 23:34.29 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: spam kills? |
| 23:34.50 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, what do you like about powerdns Rors ? |
| 23:34.50 | digdilem | other compromises: rootkits (use rkhunter ) or compromised user accounts, dodgy cgi scripts or any number of ways someone could use your resources |
| 23:35.13 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, yes I want one of those, do you know one? |
| 23:35.18 | digdilem | can't teach you all about securing a server here tho, quite a big subject |
| 23:35.20 | dimitry7 | powerdns is one? |
| 23:35.47 | dimitry7 | digdilem, I know, but some good tips :-), or tutorials! |
| 23:35.49 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: I read the exploit reports for the past decade, there was only a handful and they were all patched quickly and with a fairly full disclosure. |
| 23:36.01 | dimitry7 | as firewall we use packet filter on Open BSD 4.8 |
| 23:36.15 | dimitry7 | secure?, |
| 23:36.29 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: considering bind9 is *currently* exploitable I just didn't want to install it. I'll let you know how the powerdns debian7 install goes |
| 23:36.54 | digdilem | dimitry7, if you don't know how the spammers abused your service, you should treat that system with suspicion. Standard advice for a compromised linux machine is to reformat and install from scratch as they may have left any number of new backdoors or ways in. |
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| 23:37.09 | digdilem | but i undetstand if that's not a practical suggestion |
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| 23:38.19 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, good!! |
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| 23:39.15 | dimitry7 | digdilem, I would like to do it definitely |
| 23:39.20 | dimitry7 | I think I can test Bind 10! |
| 23:39.29 | dimitry7 | would it change much of the configuration? |
| 23:39.51 | digdilem | you would lose everything in a reformat. |
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| 23:40.08 | dimitry7 | digdilem, noup, I got backups hehe :-D |
| 23:40.21 | dimitry7 | full filesystem backups |
| 23:40.22 | digdilem | dimitry7, bad news. you cannot trust the backups. |
| 23:40.24 | rorschachrev | powerdns supports bind9 config files and /var/spool chroot |
| 23:40.31 | digdilem | they may have compromised files in them too |
| 23:40.38 | digdilem | it sucks |
| 23:40.56 | digdilem | unless you know the date the bad guy got in (if he did), and not just when he started abusing it |
| 23:41.01 | dimitry7 | uppss.. no but I mean this: I can copy and paste the same config for example for main.cf |
| 23:41.06 | digdilem | and can roll back before that date |
| 23:41.08 | dimitry7 | not copying every file |
| 23:41.18 | rorschachrev | if you do rsync diff backups, an rsync change = mild crypto verify that something changed |
| 23:41.39 | digdilem | ah, yeah. that's good if you can check those configs enough to spot any bad stuff, but that's a great start |
| 23:41.43 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, I have no idea of how to do that :-( |
| 23:42.08 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: does your backup software work by rcp or rsync? |
| 23:42.16 | rorschachrev | are you doing full or diff backups? |
| 23:42.20 | dimitry7 | digdilem, okay I might checj the configuration files |
| 23:43.06 | dimitry7 | which is just a point of failure.. another thing would be reformating the server... install what version of bind? 9.8 or 10, becayse now we have 9.7 |
| 23:43.06 | digdilem | sounds like you're in a bad place, but thinking good about sorting it |
| 23:43.22 | rorschachrev | a diff backup will have a list of files. and if the list of files includes a config file that shouldn't have changed - you have a good idea that was an edited file |
| 23:43.33 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, we do Rsync :-D |
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| 23:44.11 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: then rsync is a method you can use to *verify* that something didn't change by negative evidence, and that something *did* change by positive evidence |
| 23:44.19 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, we do Rsync :-D |
| 23:44.21 | dimitry7 | which is just a point of failure.. another thing would be reformating the server... install what version of bind? 9.8 or 10, becayse now we have 9.7 |
| 23:44.58 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: it sounds like you could continue to use existing bind9 config files in powerdns, but I'm just reading the config file and docs on it right now |
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| 23:46.17 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, okay... does rsync support diff option? I can't find it |
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| 23:48.12 | dimitry7 | digdilem, your advice is so good! |
| 23:48.20 | dimitry7 | hold on a sec, I am in a call |
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| 23:48.25 | dimitry7 | will be back in 10 minutes |
| 23:48.32 | dimitry7 | is away |
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| 23:48.36 | rorschachrev | rsync is a diff |
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