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| 00:06.41 | mgriffin | dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata overrides my /etc/timezone set to "US/Pacific" to use "America/Los_Angeles", this is fairly annoying (though cosmetic) |
| 00:07.00 | mgriffin | in interactive mode i can select US/Pacific and get what i asked for |
| 00:07.33 | mgriffin | my mistake! this is an ubuntu server |
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| 00:20.09 | Cylta | Hello. How can I download *.deb file from the repository for further use (without actually installing it. to use on other machine) |
| 00:20.29 | Cylta | something like "sudo apt-get download vim"? |
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| 00:21.09 | Coburn | Correct, Cylta |
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| 00:21.41 | abrotman | Cylta: man apt-get .. it tells you how |
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| 00:22.05 | Cylta | hmm, yeah, it works! that was easy =) |
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| 00:22.35 | alnr | is there some way I could install postfix, without deinstalling exim, starting it, changing sendmail command, etc? |
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| 00:22.56 | abrotman | alnr: how do you expect them both to listen on port 25? |
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| 00:23.25 | alnr | i want to leave port 25 as is, and test postfix on another port |
| 00:23.44 | Pudge | 1 |
| 00:23.53 | alnr | iow i want to get it on the system without disturbing the system |
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| 00:24.09 | abrotman | alnr: they conflict in the packaging system |
| 00:24.42 | mgriffin | alnr: don't do your testing on production servers :D |
| 00:25.07 | alnr | mgriffin: yeah :) but ultimately i need to swap in postfix so i wanted to do it in a controlled way |
| 00:25.11 | themill | alnr: it sounds like you want a virtual machine to play with |
| 00:25.17 | dimitry7 | is back |
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| 00:25.38 | dimitry7 | rorschachrev, yes rsync is a diff but... it replaces old files with new ones |
| 00:25.45 | dimitry7 | how can I tell the difference? |
| 00:25.57 | Cylta | how to specify processor architecture in apt-get? man does not say anything about it. something like i386 or x64 or x86 or arm? |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Cylta about multiarch |
| 00:26.10 | mgriffin | alnr: i would stand up a new postfix server and then have the old exim server start forwarding to the new postfix server and then update dns, or something along those lines |
| 00:26.27 | dimitry7 | Cylta, apt-get takes it automatically |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | dimitry7: that's not what he's asking |
| 00:26.40 | Cylta | dimitry7: i know. but I need another arch, for another machine. |
| 00:26.50 | themill | Cylta: what are you really trying to do here? |
| 00:27.14 | Cylta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.59 | abrotman | use wget? |
| 00:28.03 | themill | Cylta: is this a one-off operation or do you have a lot of packages to get? |
| 00:28.14 | Cylta | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.16 | dimitry7 | Cylta, okay |
| 00:28.21 | dimitry7 | abrotman, sorry |
| 00:28.27 | themill | Cylta: then yeah, look up the URL on packages.debian.org and use wget |
| 00:28.29 | rorschachrev | dimitry7: it depends on how your scripts run, but if you notice a file copy from rsync then you know the file changed |
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| 00:29.11 | Cylta | themill: that's definitely wrong way to do it =( but okay, will do it in such way.. |
| 00:29.44 | themill | Cylta: it's easier than installing devscripts and then using rmadison and debsnap |
| 00:29.51 | dimitry7 | ohhh I see. you mean that I do continously syncs on my files seeing the output and verifying what changed? |
| 00:29.53 | dimitry7 | ok ok ok |
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| 00:30.14 | Cylta | why there are no option for this in apt-get download?.. |
| 00:30.31 | mgriffin | Cylta: is that other machine behind some strict outbound rules firewall? |
| 00:30.44 | themill | Cylta: apt-get is there to look after the machine it is installed on, not some other random machine |
| 00:30.45 | Cylta | mgriffin: no. just no connection there. |
| 00:31.03 | Cylta | themill: but they should help each other =) |
| 00:31.05 | mgriffin | Cylta: really, really strict then |
| 00:32.05 | themill | Cylta: unless apt has already been told to fetch the Packages file for that particular architecture it doesn't even know what versions of what packages exist to download. Now you could configure that second apt to download the packages files, but it's not worth it for a one-off. |
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| 00:33.00 | dimitry7 | themill, that's pretty much what I said but more simply. |
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| 00:34.39 | abrotman | dimitry7: not really |
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| 00:34.52 | Cylta | themill: I may need to use it more in future. how to set it up?.. last version, debian wheeze, arm. anything else, that apt-get need to know? |
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| 00:35.41 | themill | Cylta: you'd probably be better off looking into either apt-offline, apt-walkabout or apt-zip rather than trying to make your own ad-hoc solution with multiarch |
| 00:35.44 | Cylta | that website is crashing my browser because of huge list in one page.. =) |
| 00:36.04 | Cylta | okay, will google for them. |
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| 00:36.38 | dimitry7 | abrotman, okay |
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| 00:42.44 | L-sama | hi |
| 00:42.59 | L-sama | how d we launch vmware so i can install stuff on it |
| 00:43.13 | L-sama | i alreADY GOT IT INSTALLED |
| 00:44.07 | L-sama | sorry for the caps |
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| 00:58.22 | L-sama | ive installed vmware on debian |
| 00:58.27 | L-sama | trying to launch it |
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| 01:20.05 | capox | 3 |
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| 01:20.35 | AndreeeCZ | hi. I need to give www-data some extra permissions. |
| 01:20.40 | AndreeeCZ | namely acces to a tty |
| 01:20.43 | AndreeeCZ | permanently |
| 01:21.00 | rorschachrev | oh right, so you have a permanent backdoor |
| 01:21.11 | AndreeeCZ | this will run in a secured network |
| 01:21.17 | AndreeeCZ | no other way for me |
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| 01:21.25 | qman__ | then you're doing it wrong |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | AndreeeCZ: what are you really trying to do? |
| 01:21.55 | qman__ | www-data should never, ever, ever be allowed to log in |
| 01:22.10 | AndreeeCZ | rorschachrev, i need to write to arduino from a web interface -> php -> C application -> serial com port |
| 01:22.19 | AndreeeCZ | well i have all that already |
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| 01:22.34 | AndreeeCZ | just that the php exec function cannot access the tty |
| 01:23.34 | AndreeeCZ | its /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 01:24.36 | AndreeeCZ | (and all that running on a raspberry) |
| 01:25.48 | bit0 | AndreeeCZ, hi. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/php-system-call-to-access-tty-port-error-accessing-943067/ |
| 01:26.28 | AndreeeCZ | bit0, not solved.. |
| 01:26.31 | AndreeeCZ | ? |
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| 01:27.32 | bit0 | AndreeeCZ, sure, but try permissions |
| 01:27.40 | AndreeeCZ | bit0, i have |
| 01:28.00 | AndreeeCZ | /dev/ttyACM0 has full perrmissions, bit0 |
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| 01:28.44 | AndreeeCZ | still can only execute by sudo |
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| 01:30.19 | AndreeeCZ | so my only option is to give www-data root permissions |
| 01:30.36 | bit0 | AndreeeCZ, no, add www-data to dialout group |
| 01:30.38 | Cylta | blkid does not work. what else can do it functionality? |
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| 01:31.39 | AndreeeCZ | bit0, doesnt help |
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| 01:32.42 | bit0 | AndreeeCZ, try a "bad hack": run php from command line and check for errors and so on. |
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| 01:35.06 | Cylta | blkid works only from root... sudo blkid works, but from user it does not... |
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| 01:39.31 | themill | Cylta: unprivileged users can get data from /etc/blkid.tab if blkid has already been run as root previously |
| 01:40.54 | themill | (and blkid(8) will read from that file if run as an unprivileged user) |
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| 01:42.29 | kaen | on wheezy, my system hangs on boot unless I pass acpi=off whereas it boots fine on jessie without changing the boot options. I'm not familiar with the debian development process, but should I file a bug against wheezy? |
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| 01:56.31 | bit0 | AndreeeCZ, http://php.net/manual/en/ref.readline.php 6th comment |
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| 02:12.25 | Cylta | ohhh, now I get it. I do not just need a package, but all depends too.. that's makes everything much more complicated. can I make my own repository that will contain all dependencies for selected packages? |
| 02:12.42 | Cylta | even if it will take 10gb |
| 02:13.35 | dvs | !apt-zip |
| 02:13.35 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 02:16.37 | boudiccas | i'm trying to install a programme from source, but none of the python scripts are executable, how do i make them executable but leave the rest untouched please? |
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| 02:19.31 | Cylta | how heavy is whole repository of debian for all architectures? |
| 02:20.30 | dvs | Cylta: The amd64 archive is about 44GB |
| 02:20.57 | dvs | and that's just the binaries |
| 02:20.58 | Cylta | dvs: so about 50gb per architectire.. |
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| 02:21.44 | dvs | Cylta: well, the amd64 and i386 architectures are the largest ones. The others are probably smaller than that. |
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| 02:22.26 | Cylta | why they are bigger? other architectures do not have some packages? |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | exactly |
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| 02:22.47 | abrotman | right, not all packages are meant for all architectures |
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| 02:23.37 | themill | physical size of the compiled binaries for some archs too http://paste.debian.net/28274/ |
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| 02:24.29 | themill | (there are more i386 packages than amd64 but amd64 is larger in size than i386) |
| 02:25.04 | fetoega | is there a gtk2 fortend in anything from squeeze to jessie for mplayer? |
| 02:25.07 | dvs | and add the "all" architecture to any other entry |
| 02:25.10 | fetoega | frontend* |
| 02:25.15 | Cylta | on 5th row, there is "all". does it mean, that that packages may work on all architectures? |
| 02:25.23 | dvs | and add the "all" architecture to any other entry |
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| 02:26.17 | themill | Cylta: things like python scripts, perl modules, data like fonts and icons. |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | fetoega: like mplayer-gui ? |
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| 02:29.37 | Cylta | themill: ahhh, such things.. thanks for explanation |
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| 02:30.35 | themill | Cylta: so if you were really determined to make an armel mirror, then you need armel+all not just "armel". Make sure you use a proper mirroring script like debmirror to make it. (Or just use apt offline or apt walkabout as dpkg described earlier) |
| 02:30.54 | dvs | ... |
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| 02:32.05 | Cylta | anyway, i do not have so much space, to store it all.. =) |
| 02:32.22 | dvs | quelle surprise! |
| 02:32.45 | Freeder | Is there anyway to use a maintenance shell and SSH at the same time? I need to run fsck on the main partition and only have ssh access |
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| 02:40.32 | fetoega | abrotman, can you set aspect ratio in that frontend? |
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| 02:40.59 | abrotman | fetoega: FIIK, i don't use it |
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| 02:41.50 | fetoega | gtk3 is blacklisted on all systems over here. =( |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | that's silly |
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| 02:43.36 | fetoega | Yes is think so too, but there was something in the newsletter about a loop or something. |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | a loop eh |
| 02:43.56 | fetoega | admin says: (roughly translated) "Found loops, lib is not allowed until fixed on production or internet connected machinery" |
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| 02:44.13 | fetoega | i am just a user so i have no idea |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | i'd like to see the upstream bug report |
| 02:44.53 | fetoega | they retroactively removed all gtk3 dfependant debs on all systems. |
| 02:44.57 | fetoega | I bet they had some reason |
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| 02:45.37 | abrotman | i'd be skeptical |
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| 02:45.55 | fetoega | i can be as sceptical as i want. I have no pull in IT |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | there's xine-ui .. don't think it's gtk though |
| 02:47.06 | fetoega | ok. Does not totem have a mplayer backend in some version? |
| 02:47.34 | fetoega | or partole-gtk |
| 02:47.43 | fetoega | parole-gtk* |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | totem uses xine or gstreamer last I looked |
| 02:47.51 | fetoega | aaah |
| 02:48.12 | fetoega | i bet i could live with xine or gstreamer as well.. |
| 02:48.13 | Gnu-centric_on_M | happy birthday Debian and thanks for so much! |
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| 02:48.29 | fetoega | abrotman, than you so much for your help. |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | hrm, xine-ui seems to be gtk .. might be gtk2 though |
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| 02:48.59 | abrotman | would be interested in that gtk3 bug report |
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| 02:49.16 | fetoega | abrotman, I do not have access to that. |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | fetoega: you could ask them where they reported the bug and then share the URL with us here? |
| 02:49.44 | fetoega | abrotman, sure. |
| 02:50.15 | fetoega | wth is even a loop? |
| 02:50.41 | fetoega | like a recurring call or something? |
| 02:51.07 | james41382 | abrotman: i figured it out and it was my fault. i fixed it. |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | fetoega: who knows .. |
| 02:51.56 | bullgard4 | [Debian-7.1]Description of the DEB program package »ruby«: "The DEB program package 'ruby' is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default Ruby version (currently v1.9.3)." What is the difference of »dependency package« and »meta package«? |
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| 02:54.43 | themill | bullgard4: does it matter? |
| 02:55.43 | bullgard4 | themill: hm. As long as I do not know the difference I do not know if it really matters. |
| 02:56.33 | themill | bullgard4: will your life be changed by knowing this? |
| 02:57.37 | bullgard4 | themill: Yes. I would be more satisfied and could turn to solve further Debian problems. |
| 02:57.40 | fetoega | totem 2:30 installs just fine, Thanks for your help. |
| 02:58.46 | themill | bullgard4: it's not a problem. |
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| 02:59.14 | bullgard4 | themill: Ok. -- Thank you for commenting. |
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| 02:59.59 | Freeder | Is there anyway to use a maintenance shell and SSH at the same time? I need to run fsck on the main partition and only have ssh access |
| 03:00.32 | themill | bullgard4: seriously, is learning this knowledge in your critical path to achieving anything? Is not knowing this preventing you from doing something with debian? Is it stopping you fixing bugs? Is it stopping you making a package? Is it preventing you from making debian better? |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | Freeder: iLO or similar? |
| 03:01.25 | Freeder | abrotman: no idea what you mean by that |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | there is google ... |
| 03:02.43 | Freeder | abrotman: yes, true. I don't know if you were asking me a question, telling me a solution, or what. Yes, there is google. A few extra words could easily help, too. |
| 03:02.47 | themill | Freeder: does your hoster provide a rescue boot system or a virtual keyboard or something? |
| 03:03.15 | Freeder | themill: its my own system. and no |
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| 03:04.53 | themill | Freeder: your own system that you don't have physical access too? Ouch. You can FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS and tell it to fsck on reboot. And hope. |
| 03:06.00 | Freeder | thank you |
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| 03:09.38 | cstdio | !tell bullgard4 about metapackage |
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| 03:11.53 | bullgard4 | themill: You say: "it's not a problem." and shortly later: "seriously, is learning this knowledge in your critical path to achieving anything?" This is a contradiction. I feel that this dealing with the question which I raised at the beginning is not professional. I feel like in a inquisition trial. Therefore I discontinue this conversation. |
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| 03:14.51 | themill | bullgard4: You suck up a lot of volunteer time asking questions about trivia. I live in hope that one day you will suddenly become one of Debian's most active contributors, bug fixers and packagers to justify this long and at times tedious process. I think you really should ask yourself these questions... not just before you ask about a particular definition here on irc but before you start investing your time in these things at all. |
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| 03:15.28 | themill | bullgard4: I'm fairly confident that you have more interesting things to do than worry about this definition -- I encourage you to do them. |
| 03:17.03 | bullgard4 | cstdio: I know this definition of »metapackage«. I was rather interested in a definition of »dependeny package«. |
| 03:17.17 | kaen | perhaps interestingly, blacklisting toshiba_acpi in modprobe.d fixes the hang-on-boot problem on my toshiba without actually disabling acpi |
| 03:17.19 | kaen | go figure. |
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| 03:18.16 | cstdio | bullgard4: oh ok. Can't help you - I don't know the definition of it either but judging by the name I would *guess* it means its a dependency, but hell, what do I know? |
| 03:18.42 | bullgard4 | cstdio: Thank you. |
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| 04:02.03 | jnewt | i'm trying to get a program to run (cadsoft eagle 6.4.0) on debian 6.0 and ran ldd to get deps, i've got a couple not founds, the first being libssl.so.1.0.0 #locate libssl.so.1.0.0 finds the library, in the same folder as the executable i'm trying to get working. do i need to move it or somehow tell something where it is? |
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| 04:03.14 | mumpitzel | jnewt: I strongly suggest you install the appropriate .deb package from the repos: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libssl.so.1.0.0&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 04:03.38 | mumpitzel | and no, it's not like windows where putting the dll into the same directory works |
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| 04:06.27 | jnewt | i put the libraries in /usr/lib before i read your comments. it works. |
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| 04:06.51 | mumpitzel | jnewt: which is a very bad idea |
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| 04:14.14 | gustavo | young, good night. Please a little help. the menu editor in gnome 3 gave a basic missing here and not knowing how to get him back. can someone give a hint there? |
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| 04:19.35 | jnewt | ok, downloaded libssl1.0.0_1.01e-2_i386.deb , used dpkg to install. install failed, it says it depends on multiarch-support. apt-cache search multiarch-support doesn't return anything. am i going to have to install a pile of deps with dpkg? what's wrong with just putting the lib in usr/lib? |
| 04:20.05 | themill | jnewt: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 04:21.14 | jnewt | themill: i was trying to get eagle to run, which i did. now i'm trying to do it in a way that isn't a "very bad idea" according to mumpi above. |
| 04:21.25 | themill | jnewt: it sounds as though that software will be happier running under a newer release -- wheezy already has that version of libssl. |
| 04:22.46 | themill | jnewt: if this thing has already come with all the libraries it needs bundled with it, then a short wrapper script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to pick up its own copies of the libraries would work too. |
| 04:23.12 | themill | (you obviously don't want to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH system wide, just for running this one program) |
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| 04:27.39 | jnewt | themill: i have an odd combination of python crap on this machine that i tried to get going on wheezy and never could. i'd rather not have two setups |
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| 04:28.52 | jnewt | so, what's my best course of action, short of doing an os update |
| 04:30.02 | jnewt | or writing custom wrappers. do i just start installing deb packages that come up as deps for others until there are none left? why doesn't apt handle this? |
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| 04:34.44 | mumpitze1 | jnewt: in 9 months you will have to abandon squeeze anyways. so why not solve your python mess now instead of next year when you suddenly panic? |
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| 04:35.07 | mumpitze1 | otherwise: wrapper with LD_LIBRARY_PATH is your best option as themill already suggested |
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| 05:12.03 | merlincorey | mumpitze1: no on it was my error ultimately |
| 05:12.10 | merlincorey | mumpitze1: no no rather |
| 05:12.20 | merlincorey | mumpitze1: I seenst it! |
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| 05:13.31 | merlincorey | mumpitze1: I had already removed it, so of course it would not reinstall xD |
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| 06:02.26 | speechless | i was installing this: http://packages.debian.org/fr/squeeze/php-zeroc-ice and i noticed squeeze wheezy and sid in the top right |
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| 06:02.55 | speechless | i am guessing it is different distrubutions of a distrubution of linux |
| 06:03.08 | speechless | but what is the difference between the 3? |
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| 06:03.58 | RipresaTecn | wheezy is the stable branch of debian |
| 06:04.30 | RipresaTecn | squeeze is the old stable |
| 06:04.35 | RipresaTecn | and sidis unstable |
| 06:04.39 | RipresaTecn | sid is* |
| 06:04.57 | speechless | can i install wheezy packages onto squeeze? |
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| 06:05.26 | RipresaTecn | you can try how ever since your installing newer software on an old system you may have depend problems |
| 06:06.16 | speechless | alright! |
| 06:06.18 | speechless | thanks |
| 06:06.21 | RipresaTecn | np |
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| 06:07.41 | gnarface | dpkg: tell speechless about backports |
| 06:07.58 | RipresaTecn | ahh yes i kinda forgot about that |
| 06:08.00 | RipresaTecn | lol |
| 06:08.24 | gnarface | speechless: just to be clear though mixing distros is not advised or supported |
| 06:09.10 | gnarface | speechless: you *might* get what you were trying working, but you almost certainly will corrupt your package dependency tree to the point that further upgrades will be impossible without a full reinstall |
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| 06:09.49 | gnarface | speechless: backporting isn't fool-proof but will at least give you a way from painting yourself into the corner like that |
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| 06:10.24 | gnarface | speechless: and you should not be running squeeze anymore. upgrade to wheezy; the sooner the better |
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| 06:13.34 | speechless | gnarface: i don't have a choice, my host forces squeeze |
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| 06:13.57 | gnarface | speechless: that's a lie. you still have a choice. |
| 06:14.04 | themill | speechless: I hope you're not paying them too much money for that. |
| 06:14.08 | speechless | i can switch hosts |
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| 06:15.22 | gnarface | speechless: fyi i've never run into a virtual server provider yet that could actually prevent me from upgrading to debian stable regardless of whatever their claims of support, but i've never rented from a VMware host either so your mileage may vary |
| 06:16.20 | themill | gnarface: squeeze on rhel 4 and wheezy on rhel 5 in lightweight containers like vz aren't much fun |
| 06:16.45 | gnarface | today i'm liking vpslink |
| 06:16.51 | gnarface | 64MB is plenty for wheezy |
| 06:17.00 | gnarface | i think they're on xen |
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| 06:18.00 | gnarface | i guess it depends a lot on your definition of "fun" though |
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| 06:18.15 | gnarface | i can have a lot of fun with an openvpn tunnel endpoint |
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| 06:21.02 | themill | gnarface: a preinst that does echo "Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev."; exit 1; isn't much fun. same with echo "this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version $vmin"; exit 1. |
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| 06:22.11 | Guest39452 | hello |
| 06:22.29 | gnarface | themill: indeed. i guess generally i've been lucky but i also rarely virtualize when i'm not also in control of the host too |
| 06:23.00 | themill | gnarface: yeah that helps. Having your own kernel like in your xen example helps a lot too |
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| 06:36.43 | Nephro | is this a good place to ask server machine specific questions? |
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| 06:43.24 | dispersed | hey.. what's the best way to get a package to debian? |
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| 06:52.49 | Lakii | 1;2c/wii yarbol |
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| 06:56.49 | lispghost | hi,all,I want to check weather a particular progress is running in C program,how I do that? |
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| 07:14.08 | well_laid_lawn | lispghost: throw some printf's in there |
| 07:14.53 | lispghost | well_laid_lawn, how can I know my web service is running? |
| 07:15.04 | lispghost | I wrote my web service in ruby |
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| 07:25.18 | well_laid_lawn | ps -C web_service_app_name |
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| 07:38.09 | jelly-home | themill: forget vz, setting up a mere chroot results in a "FATAL: kernel too old" message from wheezy libc6 on RHEL5 |
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| 07:38.31 | themill | jelly-home: indeed |
| 07:38.38 | jelly-home | (those exit 1 are there for a good reason, this time) |
| 07:39.17 | themill | (the udev one you could work around using lenny's udev on the squeeze machine) |
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| 08:30.58 | gtissus | Hi, ifconfig is not readable for non root user so in gnome I can't see network infos, how can I see network infos in my Desktop? |
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| 08:34.49 | drhouse123 | gtissus: have you sudo access ? |
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| 08:35.12 | gtissus | drhouse123, yes |
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| 08:35.36 | drhouse123 | gtissus: then use sudo ifconfig |
| 08:35.46 | Morsicus | Hi ! There is some bug with the debian template in LXC ? I can deploy it on LVM :/ |
| 08:36.33 | gtissus | drhouse123, thx but my UI, I mean gnome could'nt display these infos is there a solution? |
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| 08:38.17 | themill | (sudo isn't required to use ifconfig to display current network configuration) |
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| 08:41.26 | drhouse123 | gtissus: sorry, but i don't know, i don't use gnome |
| 08:41.53 | minx | hi, anyone knows how you can protect your server from SYN-Flood DoS attacks? |
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| 08:42.18 | bhuddah | minx: syncookies. more power |
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| 08:42.44 | minx | setting up the net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies doesn't seem to me a proper solution |
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| 08:43.01 | jelly | minx: it works |
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| 08:43.34 | prem_ | what are all the components depend on cups version? |
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| 08:46.07 | tgs3 | hi, Im working on deterministic .deb's creation - is this the channel to talk about it? |
| 08:46.12 | minx | jelly|bhuddah: debian doku says about syncookies: This option is a double-edged sword. On the one hand it protects your system against syn packet flooding; on the other hand it violates defined standards (RFCs). |
| 08:46.48 | bhuddah | minx: and? |
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| 08:49.15 | themill | tgs3: #debian-mentors or perhaps #debian-devel over on irc.oftc.net; there's already some work going on with this |
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| 08:50.04 | jelly | minx: I'd suggest a pragmatic approach. Use it, see if it helps with attacks. Monitor the other traffic to see if it affects your real users as well. |
| 08:50.10 | minx | bhuddah: and I ask myself what means that it violates defines RFC's :D |
| 08:50.43 | bhuddah | minx: read the rfc. understand networking. or: accept that it is an acceptable solution to synfloods :) |
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| 08:55.34 | totone | Bonjour / Hello / Hallo |
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| 09:04.10 | Quest | what choices do I have for type 1 virtualization and which one is better for installing solaris and windows 2008 server r2 with multiple user access by remote computers (for both OS simultaneously)? |
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| 09:06.14 | xlrv | how can i install irc in terminal |
| 09:06.54 | xlrv | help me i m new |
| 09:07.03 | drunkez | sudo apt-get install irsii |
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| 09:07.34 | xlrv | but apt-get is not working |
| 09:07.53 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: why isn't it working? what error message do you get? |
| 09:07.59 | mumpitze1 | and it's apt-get install irssi btw |
| 09:08.37 | xlrv | the error msg is command not found |
| 09:08.56 | totone | command in su ? |
| 09:09.03 | totone | or in standard user ? |
| 09:09.19 | mumpitze1 | apt-get is always in path, for normal users and root |
| 09:09.25 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: what debian version do you run? |
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| 09:09.57 | mumpitze1 | totone: ls -l /usr/bin/apt* |
| 09:10.06 | git-shell | Hi Guys, How can I check why my debian freezes? any log file I can look into? |
| 09:10.29 | mumpitze1 | if it freezes, generally the logs don't contain anything usable |
| 09:10.53 | git-shell | crap.. so I have no way ever knowing why it freezes like this? |
| 09:11.09 | xlrv | nope its again asking "no passw entry for apt-get" |
| 09:11.24 | mumpitze1 | git-shell: check your hardware |
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| 09:11.39 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: what debian version are you running? |
| 09:11.46 | xlrv | drunkez help |
| 09:11.49 | totone | git-shell : dmesg have error ? |
| 09:12.04 | git-shell | mumpitze1, my hardware is good, checked it. |
| 09:12.09 | xlrv | i m running wheezy i686 |
| 09:12.12 | drunkez | xlrv: type sudo apt-cache search irssi |
| 09:12.12 | git-shell | totone, please explain dmesg |
| 09:12.13 | mumpitze1 | git-shell: you can log to another system instead of /var/log. unlikely it helps |
| 09:12.25 | mumpitze1 | drunkez: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 09:12.45 | drunkez | mumpitze1: ?? |
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| 09:13.51 | xlrv | DRUNKEZ : i just tried dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:14.02 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: sorry, was for xlrv |
| 09:14.07 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: and what was the result? |
| 09:14.39 | xlrv | oops my mistake |
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| 09:14.56 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: you did right. what was the result? |
| 09:15.34 | xlrv | mumpitzel: it showed GNU C Library |
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| 09:16.01 | mumpitze1 | it showed more |
| 09:16.13 | xlrv | yes i386 |
| 09:16.46 | mumpitze1 | paste the actual line |
| 09:16.58 | xlrv | mumpitzel : and a no. 2.13-38 |
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| 09:17.26 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: and ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get ? |
| 09:17.39 | xlrv | mumpitzel : just a min |
| 09:18.13 | git-shell | in the dmesg I only found this error: |
| 09:18.14 | git-shell | [drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer |
| 09:19.34 | xlrv | mumpitzel : now i can see -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 09:20.33 | xlrv | help me mumpitzel : |
| 09:20.47 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: then you have apt-get. please run "ldd /usr/bin/apt-get". and this time the full output in a pastebin |
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| 09:22.02 | imdea | Hi.. I have a debian wheezy box that is acting as a webserver, and for some reason I'm seeing that into my eth0 interface there are errors. I thought that could be due to hardware problems but I haven't found anything significant under /var/log/syslog. Any ideas? |
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| 09:22.21 | xlrv | mumpitzel : now i can some hex values in brackets |
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| 09:22.43 | xlrv | mumpitzel : like (0xb7773000) |
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| 09:23.00 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: you must put the output in a pastebin, no way around it |
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| 09:23.47 | mumpitze1 | at least if you still get "command not found" when you run "apt-get install irssi" |
| 09:23.58 | xlrv | mumpitzel : i got this message:<linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7772000) libapt-pkg.so.4.12 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.4.12 (0xb7635000) libutil.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libutil.so.1 (0xb7631000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7544000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb751e000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7501000) libc.so.6 => /lib |
| 09:25.21 | xlrv | mumpitze: are you there. |
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| 09:26.43 | xlrv | please help |
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| 09:27.43 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: as root, run this: cd /usr/bin/;./apt-get install irssi |
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| 09:28.59 | jelly | !tell xlrv about paste |
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| 09:29.46 | xlrv | jelly i cannot install apt-get on my debian wheezy |
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| 09:29.51 | milo64 | Do we have GPGME in the repo |
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| 09:30.47 | xlrv | mumpitze: i am running just a min |
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| 09:31.22 | milo64 | xlrv, mump<TAB> |
| 09:32.00 | jelly | milo64: apt-cache search gpgme |
| 09:32.14 | xlrv | mumpitze : it gave me this :< " Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package irssi "> |
| 09:32.25 | milo64 | libgpgme11 this? |
| 09:32.38 | mumpitze1 | !tell xlrv about wheezy sources.list |
| 09:33.09 | xlrv | gr8 just tell me about that list |
| 09:33.22 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: dpkg just messaged you |
| 09:33.31 | mumpitze1 | milo64: read the description before you ask |
| 09:33.42 | jelly | milo64: what do you need it for? If it's building software from sources, you're going to need the -dev package |
| 09:34.12 | xlrv | hold on i m trying it |
| 09:34.15 | milo64 | mumpitze1, i don't know what the hell you're talking about. :\ |
| 09:34.21 | milo64 | jelly, claws-mail |
| 09:34.26 | milo64 | for the pgp plugin |
| 09:34.58 | milo64 | but it appears to be installed and claws is still not working |
| 09:35.05 | jelly | ,v claws-mail-pgpmime |
| 09:35.06 | judd | Package: claws-mail-pgpmime on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.6-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.8.1-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.2-2; sid: 3.9.2-2 |
| 09:35.21 | milo64 | hmm right |
| 09:35.21 | jelly | ,v claws-mail-pgpinline |
| 09:35.22 | judd | Package: claws-mail-pgpinline on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.6-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.8.1-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.2-2; sid: 3.9.2-2 |
| 09:35.30 | xlrv | hey mumpitze, just tell me the way to download site for spt-get |
| 09:35.43 | jelly | milo64: which one? |
| 09:36.10 | mumpitze1 | xlrv: "apt-get update" IF you have put your sources.list in order like dpkg told you |
| 09:36.49 | milo64 | jelly, i don't know. The website here: http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=gpg doesn't say exactly what i need |
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| 09:37.36 | xlrv | mumpitze : ok. now its says <Reading package lists... Done> |
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| 09:37.43 | korn36 | hi |
| 09:37.49 | korn36 | i have a problem with cd ejecting |
| 09:37.50 | jelly | milo64: I mean, which one do you have installed at present? |
| 09:37.59 | korn36 | when i press the eject button, tray doesn't eject |
| 09:38.08 | milo64 | uh |
| 09:38.09 | korn36 | i can use the eject command, but i prefer using the button |
| 09:38.39 | korn36 | currently there's an audio cd inserted, and it isn't mounted |
| 09:39.06 | milo64 | none jelly |
| 09:39.37 | xlrv | hey mumpitze: |
| 09:39.41 | jelly | milo64: why not? |
| 09:39.49 | f8l | korn36: I had the same problem. I didn't solve it before my CD drive broke. ;-P |
| 09:40.02 | milo64 | jelly, the website i provided you did not say which one exactly i should install |
| 09:40.10 | korn36 | f8l: my drive isn't broken, i can eject it at the BIOS screen |
| 09:40.32 | xlrv | just get me irc installed on my terminal mumpitze: |
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| 09:40.38 | korn36 | weird thing is, it didn't happen on opensuse, fedora and ubuntu |
| 09:40.39 | f8l | korn36: I know. Mine is. I don't know how to solve that. |
| 09:40.40 | korn36 | only on debian |
| 09:40.59 | jelly | milo64: they probably don't know how Debian splits the packages. It's your decision, do you want to use old inline pgp or pgp/mime? |
| 09:41.00 | f8l | korn36: This may be a question of permissions. |
| 09:41.14 | korn36 | lsof /dev/sr0 doesn't return anything, so it isn't used currently |
| 09:41.22 | milo64 | jelly, what are the diffs? |
| 09:41.22 | xlrv | help me |
| 09:41.44 | korn36 | f8l: do you know where can i setup those permissions? |
| 09:42.16 | xlrv | just get me irc installed on my terminal..... if any one interested |
| 09:42.17 | f8l | xlrv: What's the problem? You type `apt-get install «IRC client of your choice»` and you're almost done. |
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| 09:43.16 | korn36 | weird, i launched k3b and i can now eject drive |
| 09:43.23 | f8l | korn36: I don't. It may be something with hald or groups… |
| 09:43.51 | jelly | milo64: that's kind of outside the scope of this channel. Old style inline PGP signing only worked well on text-only messages, and could not deal with multiple parts or attachments. You'll want to use whatever your correspondents can read. |
| 09:43.52 | korn36 | hmm... i am in cdrom group |
| 09:44.01 | xlrv | no f8l its saying<" No passwd entry for user 'apt-get:"> |
| 09:44.11 | jelly | milo64: google PGP/MIME for more info |
| 09:44.32 | korn36 | xlrv: su -c "apt-get install nameoftheircclientyouwanttoinstall" |
| 09:44.43 | f8l | xlrv: Run this as root. |
| 09:44.51 | xlrv | ok |
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| 09:44.56 | jelly | milo64: but the obvious thing to do is go and actually install pgp support for claws. |
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| 09:45.12 | milo64 | claws already has pgp |
| 09:45.24 | jelly | milo64: you _just said_ you did not install it |
| 09:45.29 | milo64 | ....... |
| 09:45.56 | xlrv | f8l: its again making some error: <"No passwd entry for user 'install' " > |
| 09:46.01 | jelly | milo64: run "apt-cache search claws", see what else you don't have installed |
| 09:46.18 | milo64 | claws has the option to "sign messages" but does not yet have the capability of pgpmime nor pgpinline |
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| 09:46.39 | korn36 | xlrv: something's messed up... run this as root: /usr/bin/apt-get install nameofircclient |
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| 09:46.42 | f8l | xlrv: Where are you typing that in? In the login prompt or something? |
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| 09:47.06 | jelly | milo64: that might be S/MIME |
| 09:47.11 | xlrv | yep in terminal |
| 09:47.58 | milo64 | pgp mime can also sign attachments included in the email right? |
| 09:48.10 | xlrv | hey korn36 : ther is this mssg : <E: Unable to locate package irsii"> |
| 09:48.20 | korn36 | good |
| 09:48.22 | korn36 | it's irssi |
| 09:48.24 | korn36 | not irsii |
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| 09:48.33 | xlrv | ok sorry |
| 09:48.58 | jelly | milo64: probably |
| 09:49.23 | korn36 | xlrv: did it work now? |
| 09:49.26 | xlrv | korn8 : same thing happened |
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| 09:50.03 | korn36 | xlrv: run this as root: /usr/bin/apt-get update |
| 09:50.04 | f8l | xlrv: I'd begin with reading intro manpage if I were you. |
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| 09:50.24 | xlrv | yep i will do that just a min |
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| 09:52.19 | xlrv | thanks korn8 , f8l , mumpitze1 for helping me |
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| 09:53.14 | adilix | hi all |
| 09:53.36 | f8l | xlrv: No problem. Now run `man intro` and profit. ;-) |
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| 09:53.51 | korn36 | xlrv: no problem |
| 09:53.52 | adilix | i am looking for the complete dvd set's to download, where can i find them |
| 09:54.12 | f8l | adilix: What do you need a complete set for? |
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| 09:54.46 | f8l | adilix: Are going to install Debian on a computer located on an uncharted island? |
| 09:54.47 | korn36 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.55 | adilix | i will not have internet in about 1-2 weeks, therefore i need the set |
| 09:54.59 | adilix | stable |
| 09:55.27 | korn36 | are you sure? testing has newer software and it isn't unstable |
| 09:55.33 | f8l | adilix: Most probably you need only couple of first CDs or the first DVD. If you want more, use jigdo. |
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| 09:55.57 | korn36 | adilix: 64-bit stable DVD's: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:55.58 | adilix | i dont have any idea about jigdo |
| 09:56.04 | adilix | 32 bit |
| 09:56.09 | f8l | !tell adilix about jigdo. |
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| 09:56.10 | korn36 | adilix: 32-bit stable DVD's: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 09:56.58 | adilix | crashed :) |
| 09:57.04 | f8l | !tell adilix about jigdo. |
| 09:57.27 | adilix | f8l, these are the 3 dvd's |
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| 09:57.36 | adilix | can i use jidgo on windows |
| 09:57.43 | f8l | adilix: Also I'd just install Debian before you lose your connection and install all the software you might need. |
| 09:57.52 | korn36 | adilix: yes |
| 09:57.59 | f8l | adilix: I've never tried, bit it's said to work on Windows. |
| 09:58.12 | korn36 | i used jigdo on windows and it worked perfectly |
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| 10:04.02 | adilix | ok i will try it on windows |
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| 10:04.37 | adilix | is it right, 10 dvd's to download? |
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| 10:05.45 | korn36 | ?! |
| 10:05.48 | korn36 | there are 3 dvd's |
| 10:06.01 | mumpitze1 | only 3? can't be |
| 10:06.05 | korn36 | nevermind |
| 10:06.10 | korn36 | for jigdo it's differrent |
| 10:06.21 | adilix | yes i mean for jidgo |
| 10:06.26 | totone | nevermind it's nirvana not korn ... |
| 10:06.47 | adilix | i am on jidgo folder and i see 10 files for download |
| 10:06.52 | korn36 | yes, it's correct |
| 10:06.57 | korn36 | there are 10 files for jigdo |
| 10:07.03 | f8l | adilix: There are 10 DVDs apparently, but only 3 are available for direct download. For the rest, you have to use jigdo. |
| 10:07.05 | adilix | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
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| 10:07.37 | korn36 | i wonder why the rest of dvd's isn't available for direct download |
| 10:07.43 | me-1 | hi...distrowtach is not updated about Debian it shows Debian 6 to be latest release |
| 10:07.49 | themill | korn36: because no-one needs them |
| 10:08.21 | mumpitze1 | korn36: probably to discourage hoarders to reduce bandwith costs. those higher numbered dvds, pretty much no one needs. debian packages are sorted by popularity on those dvds |
| 10:08.21 | f8l | adilix: I don't think you really need all the DVDs. The software is sorted according to popularity. Anything past DVD1 probably contains packages almost noone uses… |
| 10:08.50 | korn36 | for most people, CD1 is enough |
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| 10:09.08 | milo64 | is this true: signing a message lets the other person know that this is really you. And, encrypting a message makes other people not be able to read it accept the people that got my public pgp key right? |
| 10:09.12 | milo64 | in PGP terms |
| 10:09.26 | korn36 | me-1: link please? |
| 10:09.27 | adilix | yes i know that korn36, but not for people without internet |
| 10:09.29 | f8l | milo64: The second is wrong. |
| 10:10.19 | themill | adilix: even people without internet access probably don't really need DVDs beyond 3. Have a look at the packages that are actually on those DVDs. |
| 10:10.25 | korn36 | me-1: it already has wheezy and jessie |
| 10:10.42 | f8l | milo64: People who have your public key can encrypt a message so that only you (since you have your secret key) can read it. |
| 10:11.11 | milo64 | oh... darn it |
| 10:11.31 | milo64 | okay, thank you |
| 10:11.36 | mumpitze1 | milo64: so you sign with your own secret key, but you encrypt with the public key of the recipient |
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| 10:11.56 | milo64 | ok |
| 10:12.00 | milo64 | afk now |
| 10:12.01 | adilix | anyway, gtg cya bye bye and thx for help |
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| 10:18.31 | iceroot_ | hi |
| 10:18.38 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | you encrypt message with recipient's public key, he decrypts it with his private key, no? |
| 10:18.52 | mumpitze1 | w1ck3dg0ph3r: yes |
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| 10:19.01 | iceroot_ | is there a way to find out what targets debian 8 will have? (wayland for example) this site is giving 404 http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 10:19.17 | mumpitze1 | iceroot_: too early in the cycle |
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| 10:19.37 | iceroot_ | mumpitze1: ok thank you |
| 10:20.13 | Freeder | Is there anyway to use a maintenance shell and SSH at the same time? I need to run fsck on the main partition and only have ssh access |
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| 10:20.47 | mumpitze1 | start the ssh server in the maintenance shell. you need to set up the network too probably |
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| 10:21.47 | Freeder | mumpitze1: i dont have physical access to do that |
| 10:22.02 | gnarface | i think there's some trick with chroot and remounting / read-only |
| 10:22.30 | gnarface | not sure if it will actually help to be in read-only mode if there are errors that need to be fixed though |
| 10:23.25 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: then how can you access the maintenance shell in the first place? |
| 10:23.30 | Freeder | ok, thats a start, thanks |
| 10:23.49 | Freeder | mumpitze1: ... via ssh. Hence why I want it to be running in maintenence mode |
| 10:23.58 | digdilem | Does anyone know of a sysadmin tool that will show basic information about all the email mbox/maildirs on a system? (Username, last read, amount of messages left unread, size etc) - for tracking down unused or abused mail accounts? |
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| 10:25.02 | mumpitze1 | Freeder: that makes no sense. if you can use ssh to connect you don't need a maintenance shell. and you can run fsck on bootup by "touch /forcefsck" |
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| 10:25.38 | gnarface | digdilem: i highly doubt there isn't such a thing that will work for multiple mail solutions because there's no exact specific official location or naming convention for maildirs, but there is however a pretty predictable structure of their contents; it'd be easy to search for them with find or ls |
| 10:26.05 | gnarface | digdilem: "i highly doubt there IS such a thing," i meant to say |
| 10:26.25 | digdilem | gnarface, thanks. Zimbra had it (although that's not a standard mail format) and I found it useful. I do think something must exist, and if not I might end up writing it myself, but it would be most useful |
| 10:27.18 | gnarface | digdilem: the issue is that there's no way to take into account custom mail configurations, which consist of most use of Maildir in hosting (as the default config is to use mbox for normal shell users) |
| 10:27.41 | digdilem | mbox only would be a start - would work for my main system. |
| 10:27.53 | gnarface | digdilem: make sure you're not confusing Maildir mailboxes with mbox mailboxes, they're fundamentally different animals |
| 10:28.11 | digdilem | I know, but I have systems that have one or the other than I'm adminning |
| 10:28.18 | bhuddah | maybe do something with user quota? |
| 10:28.35 | gnarface | digdilem: also make sure you're not confusing email inboxes with "email accounts" since the two aren't related on a 1:1 basis - you can have stray courier configs relevant to a user's IMAP setup for an inbox without still actually retaining the Maildir itself |
| 10:28.48 | digdilem | yep. |
| 10:29.09 | digdilem | and dovecot can be configured to have them in multiple places, including spool and userhome |
| 10:29.11 | gnarface | and those could be stored in... dozens of different formats or even subsystems |
| 10:29.25 | gnarface | right and ... mysql, userdb, ldap, |
| 10:29.34 | digdilem | actually, that's a thought. Maybe imap + dovecot have some sort of audit tool |
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| 10:30.02 | gnarface | they should but it would be specific to whichever authentication storage module you are using |
| 10:30.10 | gnarface | or whatever its called |
| 10:30.13 | gnarface | the default is to use pam i think |
| 10:30.19 | gnarface | i always set it to userdb |
| 10:30.22 | digdilem | yes. if it was filesystem then root would do it without needing auth |
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| 10:30.37 | digdilem | imap is more complicated on that side, but would be more universal |
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| 10:31.12 | digdilem | anyway, ta. google time |
| 10:31.18 | gnarface | good luck |
| 10:31.38 | digdilem | thanks |
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| 10:35.24 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.33 | korn36 | so does anyone know how to enable cd ejecting using a button on the drive? it doesn't work on debian. |
| 10:37.16 | musca | umount it |
| 10:37.30 | f8l | Quest: Why not? |
| 10:37.33 | korn36 | it's an audio cd |
| 10:37.36 | korn36 | it isn't mounted |
| 10:37.59 | korn36 | if i insert other cd that isn't audio cd, it can't be ejected too |
| 10:38.17 | bhuddah | korn36: there is some sort of setting to unlock the button |
| 10:38.21 | Quest | f8l, i dont see an option. I can just assign fixed amount of Ram to each guest OS |
| 10:38.29 | korn36 | bhuddah: do you know where it is? |
| 10:38.35 | bhuddah | i'm thinking hard... |
| 10:38.56 | milo64 | http://codepad.org/dud7G2Jw |
| 10:39.08 | milo64 | i have never experienced this problem ever |
| 10:39.17 | milo64 | and am running this from a terminal |
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| 10:39.34 | f8l | Quest: And? What else do you want? Being able to add/remove RAM on the fly? Think what would happen if you did this with a real machine… |
| 10:39.44 | bhuddah | korn36: "sudo sysctl dev.cdrom.lock=0" is what google told me now... |
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| 10:40.18 | bhuddah | milo64: why not sudo? |
| 10:40.27 | korn36 | bhuddah: is this setting permanent? |
| 10:40.58 | musca | milo64: it'S |
| 10:41.05 | bhuddah | korn36: make it permanent as with all other sysctl settings.. add it to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 10:41.07 | Quest | f8l, no. i meant all guest OSes shared a fixed amount of ram between each other rather each had a fixed amount allocated to it. thats what I heard that some Virtualization applications offer as a feature. |
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| 10:41.30 | musca | milo64: it's usually a bad idea to fiddle with the password in that way. |
| 10:41.36 | bhuddah | Quest: you are asking about ram deduplication? |
| 10:41.52 | milo64 | bhuddah, the file is very sensitive. using sudo will be a permission denied |
| 10:41.53 | korn36 | i'll reboot and do some tests now with that cd. thanks everyone for help |
| 10:41.56 | musca | just let tools ask for password themself |
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| 10:42.11 | bhuddah | milo64: then pasting the whole password in unsafe context is better? |
| 10:42.15 | milo64 | musca, look. I hurt my eyes. |
| 10:42.39 | milo64 | So i want the computer to change the brightness 2 what i want at this instant |
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| 10:42.48 | Quest | bhuddah, no |
| 10:42.58 | milo64 | I will not hurt myself for security |
| 10:43.09 | f8l | Quest: How does that differ? You can assign more RAM to your guest OSes than your host has, but that means a lot of swapping. There are techniques which remedy this (such as filling unused RAM with zeros, but the guest OS has to support this. |
| 10:43.14 | bhuddah | Quest: but sharing ram between different vms is against the concept of vm segregation |
| 10:43.23 | milo64 | bhuddah, you have to help me |
| 10:43.27 | musca | milo64: you're free to do that. |
| 10:43.28 | milo64 | my eyes are hurting |
| 10:43.48 | Quest | hm |
| 10:43.49 | Quest | ok |
| 10:43.52 | bhuddah | milo64: use sudo. read the manpage. |
| 10:43.56 | Quest | thanks |
| 10:43.59 | milo64 | musca, the multimedia key don't work, man |
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| 10:44.45 | milo64 | nvm |
| 10:44.59 | milo64 | i hate this stupid samsung and i am going throw it away |
| 10:45.08 | bw_ | is there a portable why to include libs for shell scripts? in bash i would use "source" but dash doesn't know it |
| 10:45.29 | bhuddah | bw_: have you tried " . " |
| 10:45.30 | koollman | bw_: . |
| 10:45.40 | bhuddah | damn |
| 10:45.52 | bw_ | just " . foo.lib.sh" |
| 10:45.53 | bw_ | ? |
| 10:45.56 | bhuddah | yes. |
| 10:46.01 | bhuddah | add the path |
| 10:46.05 | bw_ | ofc :) |
| 10:46.18 | f8l | Quest: You may want to read this: https://lwn.net/Articles/454795/ |
| 10:46.19 | musca | milo64: my display has buttons and an osd menue to reduce brightness and contrast |
| 10:46.30 | milo64 | musca, but mine doesn't |
| 10:46.39 | milo64 | actually it does but it will not work |
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| 10:46.51 | musca | i see. |
| 10:47.03 | milo64 | you don't know how it feels that's why you don't care |
| 10:47.04 | bhuddah | milo64: model name of the notebook? |
| 10:47.17 | bw_ | bhuddah, koollman: thanks; it works :) |
| 10:47.18 | milo64 | remember, i will not risk my health for the matter of security |
| 10:47.23 | bhuddah | milo64: and please stop insulting people. we are all trying to help. |
| 10:47.28 | bhuddah | bw_: np :) |
| 10:47.37 | musca | sunglasses ... |
| 10:47.41 | bhuddah | an axe |
| 10:47.48 | milo64 | bhuddah, i wasn't. model: NP300E4Z samsung |
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| 10:49.46 | bhuddah | milo64: take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2033426 |
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| 10:50.55 | milo64 | sorry, but, no... linux on my samsung doesn't work. NVIDIA drivers don't even work too |
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| 10:50.57 | bhuddah | milo64: they seem to have created a utility for ubuntu to fix exactly your problem. maybe you can use it on debian too |
| 10:51.10 | milo64 | i've tried |
| 10:51.12 | bhuddah | milo64: then the axe it is :) |
| 10:51.25 | milo64 | yeah! |
| 10:51.26 | musca | !tell milo64 about rc.local |
| 10:51.27 | bhuddah | or try harder :) |
| 10:51.30 | milo64 | throws axe to bhuddah |
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| 10:52.02 | milo64 | y. |
| 10:52.04 | milo64 | thx bye |
| 10:52.13 | musca | in general you can run scripts with root permission fron rc.local, see dpkg message |
| 10:53.04 | bhuddah | suid would've worked fine too |
| 10:53.41 | bhuddah | but sudo is the better solution |
| 10:53.50 | bhuddah | imho |
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| 10:56.29 | milo64 | so you use PGP to send secrets ha? |
| 10:58.29 | milo64 | right? |
| 10:58.49 | musca | milo64: Are you referring to the bots message? No, it's common irc usage. |
| 10:58.59 | milo64 | nvm |
| 10:59.00 | milo64 | bye |
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| 10:59.30 | bhuddah | what? |
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| 11:03.46 | whirli | might you guys know where to point me to solve this silly mounting problem Im having on my friends laptop? Whatever device assigned to /etc/sdb is somehow owned by root, but when I insert another usbstick (this time its sdc of course) its owned by the user. How can I change it so that the first stick get owned by the user as well? |
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| 11:04.23 | korn36 | bhuddah: adding dev.cdrom.lock=0 to /etc/sysctl.conf seems to have helped, but it still doesn't give a behavior that i expected |
| 11:04.39 | bhuddah | korn36: can you elaborate on this? |
| 11:04.45 | korn36 | when i login to DE, i can eject CD, but when i'm at lightdm screen, tray is still locked |
| 11:05.08 | bhuddah | whirli: have you checked for automount settings? e.g. in /etc/fstab? |
| 11:05.16 | iceroot_ | how to get "memtest" to the grub menu? i only have 2 entries, current kernel and rescue system |
| 11:05.24 | whirli | bhuddah: I have yeah. Wait a sec |
| 11:05.34 | bhuddah | korn36: maybe some applications want to force the user to use a certain way of doing things |
| 11:05.51 | bhuddah | iceroot_: install memtest? |
| 11:05.54 | korn36 | also, i noticed that XFCE doesn't detect the CD now |
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| 11:06.08 | whirli | bhuddah: options rw, user, noauto |
| 11:06.08 | iceroot_ | bhuddah: which one? memtest86 memtest86+ memtester |
| 11:06.22 | bhuddah | iceroot_: the one you like to use. probably memtest86+ |
| 11:06.43 | iceroot_ | bhuddah: i dont know any of them so i was asking here |
| 11:07.00 | bhuddah | iceroot_: i can only guess. but i would use memtest86+ |
| 11:07.03 | korn36 | bhuddah: the cd is now invisible in both thunar and nautilus. any way to fix that? setting dev.cdrom.lock to 0 shouldn't cause it |
| 11:07.24 | bhuddah | korn36: maybe that setting breaks the automounter. i have not tried it. |
| 11:07.40 | iceroot_ | bhuddah: oh great, memtest86+ was also updating grub, i thought it would be more work to get that working, thank you |
| 11:07.51 | bhuddah | iceroot_: np. ;) |
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| 11:09.07 | korn36 | bhuddah: I commented out dev.cdrom.lock=0 and ran as root udevadm trigger, cd is now detected by the DE, but I can't eject it |
| 11:09.18 | korn36 | so you were right that it breaks the automounter |
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| 11:09.33 | bhuddah | korn36: maybe you are stuck with one or the other. eject by software should work fine though |
| 11:09.59 | korn36 | i'll comment out the cd drive from fstab for now, maybe it will fix it |
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| 11:11.33 | korn36 | hmm... drive in fstab shouldn't break anything because there isn't automount specified... |
| 11:11.52 | mtpereira | whirli: if it is in /etc/fstab, it will be automounted by root during boot |
| 11:12.07 | mtpereira | AFAIK :) |
| 11:12.28 | bhuddah | whirli: oh. i forgot you. sorry. |
| 11:12.29 | bhuddah | i would try removing it from fstab too in a first test. |
| 11:12.39 | korn36 | bhuddah: software way of ejecting is buggy for me |
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| 11:12.51 | korn36 | drive stops being detected when i eject it and insert the cd again |
| 11:13.08 | whirli | remove the sdc line from the fstab? |
| 11:13.13 | bhuddah | korn36: very strange. maybe you have some deeper problems with that stuff. |
| 11:13.25 | bhuddah | whirli: sdb too if it is a protable media |
| 11:13.31 | korn36 | it's the only time that debian was buggy for me |
| 11:13.38 | korn36 | it was always super stable before |
| 11:13.40 | mtpereira | korn36: if you just run "eject" command it will do that? |
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| 11:14.09 | korn36 | i ran cat /dev/sr0, it gave an I/O error and drive is detected by thunar and nautilus again |
| 11:14.20 | mtpereira | wow |
| 11:14.40 | bhuddah | is the medium broken? |
| 11:14.43 | mtpereira | any thins usefule in dmesg when you try that and/or when you run eject? |
| 11:15.00 | korn36 | bhuddah: no, i listened to that cd yesterday and it was fine |
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| 11:15.11 | whirli | bhuddah mtpereira I deleted the line. Lets see. |
| 11:15.13 | abrotman | sounds like the drive is dying |
| 11:15.21 | mtpereira | indeed |
| 11:15.33 | korn36 | mtpereira: both "eject" and gui way of doing things stops drive from being detected |
| 11:15.45 | korn36 | i'll check dmesg now |
| 11:15.48 | mtpereira | k |
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| 11:16.01 | bhuddah | yeah. maybe best to change the drive and see what that does |
| 11:16.05 | korn36 | qmmp doesn't detect the audiocd either... |
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| 11:16.23 | korn36 | audacious reads it |
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| 11:16.36 | korn36 | plays fine |
| 11:16.40 | korn36 | doesn't seem that drive is dead |
| 11:16.47 | abrotman | korn36: less enter please |
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| 11:17.07 | korn36 | abrotman: sorry, i'm used to using enter often |
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| 11:18.03 | korn36 | mtpereira: dmesg is being flooded by UFW block events |
| 11:18.40 | korn36 | [ 865.690350] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block [and it goes from 0 and 9] |
| 11:18.55 | bhuddah | so drive or medium are broken... |
| 11:19.04 | bhuddah | can you please try a different cd? |
| 11:19.11 | mtpereira | that would also be my guess |
| 11:19.24 | whirli | bhuddah mtpereira thanks a lot. That did it. I had no idea. Cheers! |
| 11:19.25 | Iridos | one with less scratches |
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| 11:19.33 | korn36 | bhuddah: wait a while... this cd was heavily scratched, so that may be the case... |
| 11:19.33 | bhuddah | whirli: np. hf |
| 11:20.38 | korn36 | bhuddah: i noticed that when drive is empty, it ejects fine |
| 11:20.51 | bhuddah | at least something that works :) |
| 11:21.04 | bhuddah | do you have a virgin cd? without scratches and so on? |
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| 11:21.39 | korn36 | bhuddah: yes |
| 11:21.44 | korn36 | i'm going to try that now |
| 11:21.51 | korn36 | ejected fine |
| 11:21.52 | moein7tl | is anyone who installed nvidia driver on debian? |
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| 11:22.07 | abrotman | moein7tl: lots of people, ask a better question |
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| 11:22.59 | korn36 | bhuddah: that cd doesn't get detected by thunar... going to run udevadm trigger now... |
| 11:23.08 | moein7tl | abrotman: I did it ,but when it generate xorg.conf,xserver can't find display |
| 11:23.41 | moein7tl | so I forced to empty xorg.conf to load it |
| 11:24.15 | korn36 | bhuddah: this cd is a virgin... after listening to it for a while, i can't eject it |
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| 11:25.17 | moein7tl | abrotman: how should I fix it? |
| 11:25.26 | bhuddah | korn36: whats in the log? |
| 11:25.49 | korn36 | checking it now |
| 11:26.11 | korn36 | nothing new |
| 11:26.19 | bhuddah | well |
| 11:26.24 | bhuddah | no clues anymore |
| 11:26.56 | korn36 | there were some differrent errors for that older cd: [ 865.692793] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track |
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| 11:27.21 | abrotman | moein7tl: did you read the nvidia wiki page at wiki.debian.org ? |
| 11:27.56 | abrotman | korn36: eject it how ? |
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| 11:28.27 | korn36 | abrotman: i can't eject using HW button, so I now eject using command "eject" |
| 11:28.27 | abrotman | moein7tl: also, how did you install the driver? |
| 11:28.35 | korn36 | my main issue is not working HW eject button |
| 11:28.44 | abrotman | korn36: the button is a slave to the locking mechanism |
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| 11:29.09 | korn36 | sysctl dev.cdrom.lock returns dev.cdrom.lock = 0 |
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| 11:29.19 | abrotman | korn36: perhaps use fuser or lsof |
| 11:29.32 | korn36 | fuser -km on the cd drive freezed my pc |
| 11:29.38 | korn36 | i needed to press the reset button |
| 11:29.50 | abrotman | froze |
| 11:30.00 | korn36 | english isn't my primary language :) |
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| 11:30.02 | abrotman | korn36: not sure if that's a hint or not |
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| 11:30.07 | abrotman | korn36: i'm just helping :) |
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| 11:30.44 | korn36 | seriously no one ever had my issue? |
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| 11:31.09 | korn36 | my debian is fully updated |
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| 11:31.19 | Nephro | Do I need any particular install option if I want to install debian on a HP Proliant machine that had RAID? |
| 11:31.31 | dik | i am getting this error : |
| 11:31.32 | dik | Use of uninitialized value $includedir in concatenation (.) or string at (eval 9) line 1. |
| 11:31.51 | korn36 | can this be related to the CD drive problem? [ 1423.310676] EDAC amd64: ECC disabled in the BIOS or no ECC capability, module will not load. |
| 11:32.22 | ksk | Nephro: hardware raid? probably not |
| 11:33.08 | abrotman | Nephro: that depends if it's real raid or not |
| 11:33.10 | Nephro | ksk, so when installing debian on a rather well known(hardware-wise) server machine, it should automagically figure everything out itself? |
| 11:33.17 | Nephro | abrotman, real raid |
| 11:33.52 | ksk | Nephro: for "real raid" there is not really something to be figured out, debian/an OS just thinks that array is a disk |
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| 11:34.21 | Nephro | aight, cool. can debian figure out how to deal with a multi-cpu system also? |
| 11:34.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:34.41 | abrotman | up to like 128 cores or something on amd64 |
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| 11:38.11 | Nephro | Is it normal that it hangs up for a while on 'detecting network hardware'?' |
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| 11:38.42 | abrotman | Nephro: it can be |
| 11:40.56 | Nephro | abrotman, what if it is 5 minutes already? |
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| 11:45.49 | Rydekull | hmm |
| 11:45.49 | Rydekull | libXNVCtrl/libXNVCtrl.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
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| 11:46.37 | musca | Rydekull: use the file commad to check what it is |
| 11:46.53 | Rydekull | ar archive |
| 11:47.03 | asperon | hi guys, i was wondering, when creating a ssh cert, if the username is the same on the machine i create it and on the machine i want to connect to it works fine, but if that is not the case it asks med for the password, even if i do <username>@host, am i missing something? |
| 11:49.10 | musca | asperon: ssh -v for verbosity |
| 11:49.17 | cvillelk | When you use ssh the client attempts to use the active accounts default certificate |
| 11:49.26 | ksk | also take a look into auth.log on server do see why he wont let you in |
| 11:49.49 | cvillelk | you can specify a specific cert with the ssh -i /home/user/cert directive |
| 11:49.57 | cvillelk | if I understand your question correctly |
| 11:49.58 | abrotman | Nephro: too long |
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| 11:50.18 | asperon | musca: it looks like this: http://paste2.org/4fPIZsE9 |
| 11:50.51 | abrotman | Nephro: max 60s i'd say |
| 11:51.10 | asperon | so it is trying to send the rsa file which is correct |
| 11:51.26 | Nephro | abrotman, turns out there's some known bug, and a possible solution is to disable floppy device in bios |
| 11:51.27 | Nephro | trying now |
| 11:51.41 | musca | asperon: yes, what cvillelk said, default key is used and not in authorized_keys. |
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| 11:52.33 | abrotman | Nephro: logical solution :) |
| 11:52.38 | asperon | but it is, the log on the receiving machine looks like this: Address <ip> maps to <domain>, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
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| 11:52.51 | asperon | could that be the problem, since the traffic is nated? |
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| 11:53.31 | Rydekull | musca: any suggestion? |
| 11:54.31 | korn36 | anyone knows what k3b does to dvd drive when launching? |
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| 11:54.45 | musca | Rydekull: i don't see in the backlog, what you are trying to do with that file? |
| 11:54.46 | korn36 | because when i opened and closed k3b, all my issues are gone |
| 11:54.54 | cvillelk | I wonder if the username@machine at the end of the public key has anything to do with that |
| 11:54.57 | Rydekull | musca: its nvidia-settings from nvidia, im trying to make |
| 11:55.05 | cvillelk | I |
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| 11:55.16 | abrotman | korn36: probably locks it |
| 11:55.27 | korn36 | it didn't lock it |
| 11:55.38 | cvillelk | 've not tried to log in under multiple accounts on the same key, but maybe the key is designated to a specific account based on that last string in the public key |
| 11:55.41 | Rydekull | musca: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-settings/ |
| 11:55.42 | korn36 | it magically unlocked it and made button work |
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| 11:56.03 | korn36 | but even after i closed it, problems are gone |
| 11:56.04 | musca | Rydekull: well, don't run nvidias binary blobs. install debian package. |
| 11:56.08 | korn36 | it must launch some daemon |
| 11:56.23 | korn36 | idk what one, that's why i'm asking |
| 11:56.28 | musca | !tell Rydekull about nvidia dkms |
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| 11:57.08 | asperon | cvillelk: should i change that? if so, to the account on the local or remote box? |
| 11:57.10 | musca | Rydekull: there also is a package nvidia-settings. |
| 11:57.39 | Rydekull | musca: Very well aware of it, but I want to specifically make it :-) |
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| 11:57.53 | musca | ok. |
| 11:57.54 | cvillelk | try changing on the remote box, I think you can even remove that string without issue |
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| 11:58.38 | cvillelk | remembering a way back.. hope you also have an alternative connection method if it locks out |
| 11:58.41 | musca | Rydekull: use the ar utility to extract its archives. |
| 11:58.55 | cvillelk | I think it works without that string though |
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| 12:00.27 | cvillelk | You'd actually need to change it in the authorized_keys2 file, not in the public key itself |
| 12:01.04 | mtpereira | cvillelk: the user@host in the key is only for helping you out identify the key, check ssh-keygen man page |
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| 12:11.17 | mosez | hi |
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| 12:12.48 | mosez | i'm trying to build a custom apt repository with reprepro. i've created a package in the same version for squeeze and wheezy. now if i upload it to wheezy everything is find. if i try to upload the second package into squeeze i'm getting an error because a package with the same name and version is already included within the pool. how should i avoid that? oO |
| 12:14.05 | mosez | s/find/fine/ |
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| 12:15.58 | themill | mosez: use "reprepro copy"; you're only copying the package from one release to another not making a new package. |
| 12:16.22 | themill | mosez: assuming it is exactly the same package for the two releases; if it's not, you should use a different version string |
| 12:17.20 | mosez | the dependencies differ -.- |
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| 12:17.23 | gnarface | can't you just iterate the revision #? |
| 12:17.23 | Nephro | why can the installer fail to autoconfigure network via dhcp? |
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| 12:18.01 | gnarface | mosez: ii wine-unstable 1.6-1 amd64 custom wine build (patched for nvidia) |
| 12:18.08 | gnarface | mosez: change 1.6-1 to 1.6-2 for wheezy |
| 12:18.19 | gnarface | mosez: (for example) |
| 12:18.30 | themill | don't reuse versions that a maintainer might use |
| 12:18.37 | mosez | if that's the only solution i think i've got to do that. |
| 12:18.54 | themill | mosez: is this your own package or a rebuild of a debian one? |
| 12:19.12 | gnarface | that's a good point themill but i blocked the real one from getting installed on purpose by doing that :-/ |
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| 12:19.17 | mosez | the first one is a custom ruby package. ruby 2.0.0 |
| 12:19.33 | gnarface | mosez: its the easiest, sanest solution |
| 12:20.10 | gnarface | mosez: it doesn't have to be just an integer value i don't think. there's some rule set somewhere of what you can put there, but if, as you say its even got different dependencies, you shouldn't be giving them the same name anyway |
| 12:20.11 | themill | so you could have 2.0.0-1~mosez+deb6u1 and 2.0.0-1~mosez+deb7u1 as the squeeze and wheezy versions |
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| 12:20.48 | themill | that way your packages are clearly identified as being yours and not Debians and you will hopefully have an easier upgrade path to the official packages |
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| 12:21.17 | mosez | themill: thx for the hint. got to figure out how it can be integrated into fpm. |
| 12:22.28 | mosez | is this debian_revision or epoch? =) |
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| 12:23.18 | gnarface | i think that's the debian revision |
| 12:23.30 | themill | debian revision |
| 12:24.06 | mosez | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html yup, looks like that. thx |
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| 12:24.28 | themill | well, that's the entire version string; 1~mosez+deb6u1 is the debian revision |
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| 12:26.22 | mosez | thx |
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| 12:26.41 | bucketm0use | Can someone explain what 'Paul Henning' is talking about (on the debian-security mailing list) when he says "he was either threatened or paid - probably the latter - to cripple the entropy on by the NSA" |
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| 12:26.47 | mosez | themill: and why 6u1? |
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| 12:27.49 | mosez | because debian 6.1? |
| 12:28.07 | themill | mosez: deb6 for squeeze, deb7 for wheezy, deb8 for jessie (we used to use "squeeze", "wheezy" for those, but jessie isn't going to be in the right sort order). u1 for update 1. If you have to update your package, the next one will be u2. |
| 12:28.28 | mosez | themill: thx |
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| 12:36.06 | Nephro | where do I put the firmware-linux-nonfree.deb to use a proper network driver during installating? |
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| 12:41.48 | james41382 | Is there a way to hide a LVM2 VG from nautilus? |
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| 12:42.09 | bhuddah | james41382: what do you mean by hide? |
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| 12:43.39 | james41382 | bhuddah: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-08-22_05_42_26-DBYZCqwf.png |
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| 12:44.24 | james41382 | bhuddah: You can see the VG there in the left hand pane, but it's not like you can mount it as it really just contains all the LVs.. so can I hide it somehow? |
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| 12:45.52 | bhuddah | james41382: i have never tried this, but maybe you can define a filter in udev? |
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| 12:46.38 | james41382 | bhuddah: Okay I'll look in to that. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 12:48.08 | bhuddah | i hope that works out |
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| 12:49.02 | milo64 | yawns |
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| 12:49.14 | milo64 | ,info cryptsetup |
| 12:49.15 | judd | Package cryptsetup (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: disk encryption support - startup scripts. Version: 2:1.4.3-4; Size: 124.5k; Installed: 295k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ |
| 12:49.53 | milo64 | how do i know if an application is installed? |
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| 12:51.33 | surf_ | hi guys I have a lenovo g555 and when I insert a cd into the reader everything works but when inserting a dvd I start to hear mechanical noises and I get I/O errors. Any clue? |
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| 12:52.32 | bhuddah | milo64: search the package db |
| 12:52.39 | gnarface | surf_: its broken maybe? |
| 12:52.39 | milo64 | how |
| 12:52.45 | bhuddah | milo64: use aptitude |
| 12:52.51 | milo64 | never. |
| 12:52.57 | milo64 | never have never will |
| 12:53.05 | bhuddah | go die in a ditch ^^ |
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| 12:53.17 | milo64 | okay |
| 12:53.28 | surf_ | gnarface, can be only the dvd broken? It's strange that a cd works flawlessly |
| 12:53.31 | gnarface | surf_: cdrom, dvd and blue-ray all use different lasers, and i'd imagine on many models even different heads. it would be possible for one head to go out of alignment leaving the functionality of the other intact, in theory |
| 12:53.32 | bhuddah | milo64: search the file in which the packages are stored directly. |
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| 12:53.36 | milo64 | throws bhuddah into a ditch |
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| 12:54.03 | milo64 | bhuddah, is there an apt-get way? aptitude clutters up your face. |
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| 12:55.02 | bhuddah | milo64: aptitude has a command line mode too. and no. apt-get does not support this directly |
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| 12:55.42 | milo64 | okay,... how |
| 12:55.45 | bhuddah | milo64: as in aptitude show bash |
| 12:55.48 | surf_ | gnarface, can't it be a firmware problem? Just asking... |
| 12:55.52 | darkskiez | apt-cache policy pkgname ? |
| 12:55.57 | milo64 | ah k |
| 12:56.07 | darkskiez | kinda gives you other stuff |
| 12:56.22 | gnarface | surf_: i don't know enough about the hardware to know, sorry |
| 12:56.30 | surf_ | k thx |
| 12:56.58 | darkskiez | dpkg -l pkgname also |
| 12:56.58 | dpkg | ii pkgname also 3.3-3.2 darkskiez's private porn collection |
| 12:57.08 | darkskiez | woah, spot on. |
| 12:57.18 | milo64 | wtf |
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| 12:57.33 | Spec-Chum | I removed gnome 3 and now icons don't appear on my openbox menu :/ |
| 12:57.36 | milo64 | dpkg --install windows |
| 12:57.36 | dpkg | milo64: i haven't a clue |
| 12:57.43 | gnarface | surf_: i do know that as drive heads go out of alignment gradually (assuming this wasn't catastrophic failure) it would be possible to have read errors even for some of the same types of media, but not others |
| 12:57.49 | Spec-Chum | I've not changed any config files, annoying haha |
| 12:58.13 | Spec-Chum | any ideas peeps? |
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| 12:58.54 | james41382 | I have used apt-file a few times when searching for a package containing a file |
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| 13:01.41 | Spec-Chum | I use apt-file all the time :) Very useful - especially if you're missing some header for a make |
| 13:02.27 | Nephro | I installed a web server but it can't be reached via IP address, since the IP address is the on of the router. How do I make the router forward the request to my pc? |
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| 13:04.08 | jelly | Nephro: does your router run debian? |
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| 13:12.53 | jelly | Nephro: in any case, you will have to set up a port forwarding or port translation on the router itself |
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| 13:19.31 | Nephro | what steps are there going to be after select and install software? it is currently installing but I need to leave the premises. |
| 13:19.45 | bhuddah | configuration |
| 13:19.46 | Nephro | is it possible to expplain to non-it people how to finish off after that? |
| 13:19.52 | Nephro | of what? |
| 13:19.56 | bhuddah | the software |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 13:20.15 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 13:20.16 | Nephro | I don |
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| 13:32.13 | gtissus | I want to backup my home and I don't understand the --del option, my goal is to backup the home dir inside a dir which is excluded to avoid infinite loop |
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| 13:32.45 | mumpitze1 | it helps if you tell people how you want to back it up, with which programd and command |
| 13:32.50 | bhuddah | gtissus: how are you planning to do this? |
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| 13:33.03 | gtissus | mumixam, sorry :) with rsync |
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| 13:33.21 | gtissus | mumpitze1, bhuddah * |
| 13:33.26 | bhuddah | gtissus: better use one of the supplied backup solutions |
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| 13:34.42 | abrotman | that is one of the solutions |
| 13:34.49 | gtissus | bhuddah, supplied backup solution? |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | gtissus: what don't you understand about --del ? |
| 13:35.05 | bhuddah | gtissus: try "aptitude search backup" or something like this |
| 13:35.09 | abrotman | gtissus: just ignore him .. |
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| 13:35.32 | gtissus | abrotman, I don't understand what it deletes |
| 13:36.10 | abrotman | gtissus: if you've deleted a file on the source, it will then delete it on the backup |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | and therew are different versions of --del if you look at the man page |
| 13:36.59 | gtissus | abrotman, in the case of the backup is so long that the system or myself delete a file? |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | gtissus: the rsync program will see that the source file is gone, then delete it from your backup |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | it helps eliminate cruft from your backup |
| 13:38.02 | gtissus | abrotman, so it has nothing to do with my goal I think an --exclude will do the job |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | gtissus: it makes the assumption that if you've deleted it from the source, you don't want it in your backup |
| 13:38.14 | mumpitze1 | a backup to the same disk or partition isn't much of one... |
| 13:38.18 | bhuddah | and it may defeat the purpose of the backup -.- |
| 13:38.27 | abrotman | mumpitze1: did he say that's what he's doing? |
| 13:38.47 | abrotman | he just said another directory |
| 13:38.52 | mumpitze1 | < gtissus> I want to backup my home and I don't understand the --del option, my goal is to backup the home dir inside a dir which is excluded to avoid infinite loop |
| 13:39.02 | mumpitze1 | if there is the possibility of infinite loop, imho yes |
| 13:39.12 | abrotman | mumpitze1: i can mount a drive in my directory .. is that the same drive or partition? |
| 13:39.18 | mumpitze1 | true |
| 13:39.28 | mumpitze1 | but a bit rare, no? |
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| 13:40.13 | themill | (and you'd just use -x to prevent that in any case) |
| 13:40.37 | pmo | whats the bot command to see the latest debian kernels? |
| 13:40.50 | themill | pmo: /msg judd kernels |
| 13:40.56 | pmo | thanks :) |
| 13:41.00 | mumpitze1 | pmo: /msg judd ,kernels (the , is only needed in channel) |
| 13:41.34 | pmo | is there documentation on the commands somewhere? :) |
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| 13:41.49 | themill | dpkg: tell pmo about judd |
| 13:41.49 | abrotman | did you check the Debian wiki? |
| 13:42.20 | pmo | bows and thanks |
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| 13:51.36 | mosez | knows somebody how i can use a passphrase file while signing packages within reprepro? |
| 13:54.02 | ksk | I would guess some pgp-foo is needed? so no? but there are several agent you can load your key into so you would not have to enter the password |
| 13:54.12 | ksk | s/agent/agents |
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| 13:57.48 | jordilopezamat | hello debianers . (Context: i'm running Icedove-Thunderbird v17 ... on Debian Wheezy ) How to get the latest version of ? |
| 13:57.59 | jordilopezamat | newbie here... thanks beforehand |
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| 13:59.17 | PhoenixSTF | have you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:59.23 | PhoenixSTF | jordilopezamat, have you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:59.46 | abrotman | !tell jordilopezamat about mdn |
| 13:59.54 | jordilopezamat | thanks guys (according to http://mozilla.debian.net/ ... i should add 'deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main' at sources list ? ) |
| 14:00.15 | themill | (v17 seems to be the latest that is packaged at all) |
| 14:00.20 | jordilopezamat | thanks abrotman , PhoenixSTF |
| 14:00.31 | jordilopezamat | ok, so i'm done then... |
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| 14:00.46 | jordilopezamat | thanks Community! |
| 14:00.53 | PhoenixSTF | jordilopezamat, np stick around |
| 14:01.10 | jordilopezamat | i love #Debian |
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| 14:02.34 | daifuku | hello |
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| 14:07.43 | confusid | I'm trying to find a single file bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw So far I'm finding the .deb file that contains it. Isn't there a page to download just that file? |
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| 14:08.46 | ksk | how about installing firmware-bnx2? |
| 14:09.16 | daifuku | hello, to add an user to sudoers the debian wiki says:To add an user to the sudo group: |
| 14:09.18 | daifuku | # adduser foo sudo |
| 14:09.22 | vobthr | is the only free upub reader in the archive fbreader? (and okular with plugin?) |
| 14:10.06 | vobthr | daifuku: normally, you add a line to a file named sudoers.conf (or the like) |
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| 14:10.34 | themill | daifuku: that is correct |
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| 14:10.52 | daifuku | i understand I have to replace foo with the username? |
| 14:11.04 | vobthr | daifuku: unless it's the username |
| 14:11.05 | themill | yes |
| 14:11.15 | zykotick9 | daifuku: also, keep in mind, you need to logout/back in after being added to the group |
| 14:11.24 | daifuku | yes, I read that on the wiki |
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| 14:11.45 | daifuku | i found strange they dont mention the foo as variable |
| 14:11.56 | daifuku | it must be a well known thing in debianland |
| 14:12.00 | zykotick9 | daifuku: foo is an age-old unix variable... |
| 14:12.01 | themill | foo is always a variable |
| 14:12.17 | daifuku | i see |
| 14:12.22 | confusid | ksk: have a new installation waiting on that file. Can I put the "whole" firmware on a usb and the system will install as it needs? |
| 14:12.36 | themill | and moinmoin syntax doesn't let you do things like italicise it within the code block |
| 14:12.40 | daifuku | well you always learn something, I guess it is true what they say about debian |
| 14:13.08 | themill | !foo |
| 14:13.10 | dpkg | from memory, foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read the Etymology of "Foo" (RFC3092). |
| 14:13.16 | ksk | confusid: i dont know. you could probably download the package, put it on usb-stick, and install it |
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| 14:16.27 | confusid | ksk: ty will give it a try :) |
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| 14:17.16 | ed0n0n | I've been using Ubuntu for quite some time, but back to stable Debian. I used to 'gksudo stuff &' but now I don't know how to open a graphical program such "gedit" as root, any suggestion? |
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| 14:17.40 | themill | ed0n0n: you can do exactly the same |
| 14:17.47 | ed0n0n | even if it is not the safest way |
| 14:18.18 | cstdio | !gksudo |
| 14:18.19 | dpkg | gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. «aptitude install gksu». If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>. |
| 14:18.19 | ed0n0n | Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
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| 14:18.42 | vobthr | ed0n0n: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html#_running_x_clients_as_root |
| 14:18.44 | ed0n0n | dpkg: Thas't the one |
| 14:18.44 | dpkg | ed0n0n: wish i knew |
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| 14:19.06 | vobthr | dpkg is a bot |
| 14:19.06 | dpkg | vobthr: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 14:20.31 | cstdio | dpkg: yes |
| 14:20.32 | dpkg | cstdio: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 14:25.48 | milo64 | dpkg --install windows_vista |
| 14:25.49 | dpkg | no idea, milo64 |
| 14:25.51 | milo64 | :P |
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| 14:26.56 | ed0n0n | I think I figured it out, thanks :) |
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| 14:42.57 | NoOova | hjello all! |
| 14:43.27 | NoOova | Why i see "unavailable" in my social status (in right top side of screen) |
| 14:43.41 | NoOova | how to setup, for example, facebook status into here? |
| 14:45.15 | bhuddah | which desktop? |
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| 14:51.51 | NoOova | Right top panel in gnome3.4, where written my username |
| 14:52.06 | NoOova | there i has some social status: unavailable |
| 14:52.14 | NoOova | how to enable social integration? |
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| 14:54.27 | jsonlee | in debian or linux, is there any library that can perform similar function like mac osx's AudioToolbox? |
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| 14:55.02 | mtn | jsonlee: what did google have to say about it? |
| 14:55.33 | jsonlee | mtn: most of them are ios or macos : ( |
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| 14:56.01 | jsonlee | i've get rid of some key word e.g. mac, etc. |
| 14:56.13 | jsonlee | but seems the rest is still about mac. |
| 14:56.48 | mtn | jsonlee: try this search: AudioToolbox for linux |
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| 14:57.08 | mtn | jsonlee: first link should be very helpful. |
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| 14:59.02 | daifuku | hello |
| 14:59.22 | daifuku | i am having a very silly problem |
| 14:59.33 | jsonlee | mtn: the first link (linux gnustep include AudioToolbox.h) seems only the header is related, but content doesn't have related to audiotoolbox -like lib in linux. |
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| 15:00.34 | daifuku | can I post four lines of the terminal here? |
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| 15:00.46 | mtn | jsonlee: sorry, I am not familiar with mac programs. you will just have to do some research |
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| 15:01.19 | jsonlee | mtn: thanks anyway. appreciate it : ) |
| 15:01.26 | zykotick9 | daifuku: use http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 15:01.34 | mtn | jsonlee: welcome |
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| 15:02.44 | daifuku | http://paste.debian.net/28541/ |
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| 15:03.57 | mtn | daifuku: do you have an /opt directory? |
| 15:04.14 | daifuku | i dont seem to have it |
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| 15:04.31 | daifuku | but i tried to make a dir as root and it says it is already there |
| 15:04.52 | zykotick9 | daifuku: well, using mozilla-firefox isn't the greatest idea to begin with. "file /opt/" SHOULD return "/opt/: directory" but i'm guessing it won't. |
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| 15:06.15 | themill | daifuku: btw "aptitude install iceweasel" just works. |
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| 15:06.55 | daifuku | well I dont like the idea of iceweasel, forking the whole thing to firefox and then changing the name |
| 15:07.04 | daifuku | it feels kinda cheap to me |
| 15:07.04 | mtn | daifuku: bummer dude |
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| 15:08.36 | zykotick9 | !tell daifuku about why iceweasel |
| 15:08.54 | themill | daifuku: it's not like debian wanted to go down that path. |
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| 15:09.23 | Perdu | What protocol is used to mount a distant Windows folder? |
| 15:09.33 | SirLagz | cifs |
| 15:09.38 | daifuku | thanks the mill |
| 15:09.40 | Perdu | Thanks |
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| 15:12.15 | daifuku | i dont think anybody would want to trademark that creepy white animal ico :P |
| 15:12.23 | daifuku | icon |
| 15:13.15 | mkramer_ | hi |
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| 15:15.17 | mkramer_ | root@x1c:~/.cert/office# route add -net 10.100.18.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.94.18.83 dev tun0 |
| 15:15.17 | mkramer_ | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 15:15.29 | mkramer_ | any idea why this fails? |
| 15:15.42 | mkramer_ | i can ping 10.94.18.83 |
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| 15:17.22 | bhuddah | tun0 down? |
| 15:17.57 | zykotick9 | mkramer_: i'm not so great with networking, but with that netmask, doesn't that put your gateway outside your local network? |
| 15:18.05 | mkramer_ | tun0 is the established vpn connection that i use to reach 10.94.18.83 |
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| 15:19.07 | mkramer_ | zykotick9, do i need a /8 netmask then? |
| 15:19.30 | zykotick9 | mkramer_: as i said, "i'm not so great with networking" sorry - i don't know. |
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| 15:25.23 | jlf | mkramer_: as zykotick9 said, your netmask looks wrong. does 255.0.0.0 dtrt? |
| 15:26.12 | bhuddah | the information provided is not enough to decide on this |
| 15:26.39 | mkramer_ | you want me to pastebin the routing table? |
| 15:26.47 | jelly | mkramer_: do you have a separate route to reach 10.94.18.83 over tun0? |
| 15:28.16 | jelly | mkramer_: pastebin both your route table and the configured ip addresses/netmasks ("ip r" and "ip a" output, or "route -n" and "ifconfig -a" if you wish) |
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| 15:29.53 | mkramer_ | here routing table http://pastebin.com/9iHBEWHb |
| 15:30.31 | mkramer_ | jelly, no i dont |
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| 15:31.40 | jelly | there it is, line 8 of the route paste. Now you just need a local IP address in 10.94.18.0/24 segment on tun0 for it to work |
| 15:32.11 | jelly | ifconfig does not always show all the configured addresses, so "ip a" is preferred |
| 15:32.33 | SirLagz | is there any way to get dnsmasq to point *anything* to 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 15:32.45 | jlf | mkramer_: btw, you might also be interested in ##networking |
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| 15:33.19 | SirLagz | anything and everything |
| 15:33.20 | mkramer_ | jelly, i don;t think i can have a local address in that net |
| 15:33.31 | mkramer_ | jelly, it's remote in our datacenter, |
| 15:33.45 | mkramer_ | 172.16.1.0 is our vpn network |
| 15:34.11 | jelly | mkramer_: well, then you're missing some of the routes to make this work |
| 15:34.34 | mkramer_ | which ones? |
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| 15:35.31 | jelly | one to be able to reach 10.94.18.83 |
| 15:35.44 | mkramer_ | http://pastebin.com/56byu9wy > ip a |
| 15:35.59 | mkramer_ | so route add -host 10.94.18.83 dev tun0 ? |
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| 15:36.58 | jelly | uh, no, you just said that was not a local segment |
| 15:37.57 | jelly | mkramer_: the routes in lines 6-10 can't work |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | er. I might be wrong. |
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| 15:39.01 | mkramer_ | hm <L |
| 15:39.11 | mkramer_ | i can reach ips in 10.94.18.x e.g. |
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| 15:40.12 | jelly | including .83? |
| 15:40.40 | mkramer_ | yes |
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| 15:42.36 | jelly | mkramer_: alright, then just leave "dev tun0" out of the command line |
| 15:42.56 | jelly | route add -net 10.100.18.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.94.18.83 |
| 15:43.34 | mkramer_ | same error |
| 15:43.39 | mkramer_ | network is unreachable |
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| 15:44.04 | jelly | wfm with a vpnc setup |
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| 15:44.37 | jelly | (works in the sense that route command succeeds; I don't have a separate router to test on the other side of the vpn) |
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| 15:45.32 | mkramer_ | so do i have a conflicting route/ip? |
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| 15:45.56 | mkramer_ | the command seems to work when i set a -host route for 10.94.18.83 |
| 15:46.04 | mkramer_ | but traceroute/routing fails |
| 15:46.54 | bhuddah | have you tried "ip route get" to debug where the network is trying to send stuff? |
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| 15:48.11 | jelly | mkramer_: the thing is, your router has to be on the same segment as your machine, there's no way to create packets that route to X on a remote network, and from there to Y. |
| 15:48.38 | daifuku | hello, it is my first day with debian, I am using weethy, is there any easy way to install the nvidia drivers they have in experimental? Those are the ones that work with my new laptop |
| 15:48.45 | mkramer_ | you mean i need a local 10.94.18.x ip? |
| 15:48.49 | jelly | yes |
| 15:49.05 | mkramer_ | but this sounds crazy when i can reach 10.94.18.x? |
| 15:49.21 | mkramer_ | i felt this could be the issue somehow, but i don't see why exactly |
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| 15:49.54 | bhuddah | mkramer_: have you read what i wrote? |
| 15:50.03 | mkramer_ | yes wait a second |
| 15:50.14 | bhuddah | okay. |
| 15:50.29 | mkramer_ | root@x1c:~/.cert/office# route add -host 10.94.18.83 dev tun0 |
| 15:50.29 | mkramer_ | root@x1c:~/.cert/office# route add -net 10.100.18.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.94.18.83 |
| 15:50.33 | mkramer_ | so i can do this |
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| 15:50.59 | mkramer_ | root@x1c:~/.cert/office# ip route get 10.100.18.1 |
| 15:50.59 | mkramer_ | 10.100.18.1 via 10.94.18.83 dev tun0 src 172.16.1.28 |
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| 15:51.18 | bhuddah | is this the expected behaviour? |
| 15:51.39 | jelly | mkramer_: 10.94.18.83 is not local to 172.16.1.28/26, there's a peer on the other side of the vpn that routes the traffic elsewhere |
| 15:51.42 | bhuddah | if yes: make sure that the packets find their way back. |
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| 15:52.13 | jelly | a hidden 172.16.1.1 or whatnot |
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| 15:52.26 | mkramer_ | ok.. |
| 15:53.03 | mkramer_ | bhuddah, 10.94.18.83 has routes for 172.16.1.0/24 |
| 15:53.13 | jelly | /26 |
| 15:53.19 | mkramer_ | yes.. |
| 15:53.35 | jelly | contact your network admin, or carefully copy routes from an OS where this setup works |
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| 15:54.50 | nomius | Hello |
| 15:55.09 | nomius | Is it there a APT::upgrade::Pre-Invoke hook? |
| 15:55.40 | mkramer_ | jelly, so you think this 172.16.1.1 needs to know about this? |
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| 15:56.37 | jelly | mkramer_: I think you can't use a nonlocal gw |
| 15:57.14 | bhuddah | mkramer_: they don't need rules for the router but for your client address. otherwise you need to use NAT |
| 15:58.50 | mkramer_ | but my client already has an automatically obtained route for 10.94.18.0/24 |
| 15:59.03 | mkramer_ | and the router is within that |
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| 16:00.38 | bhuddah | mkramer_: the target to respond needs to have a route back to you too. |
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| 16:01.12 | mkramer_ | bhuddah, what do you mean by target? |
| 16:01.40 | bhuddah | you want to contact some other host, right? |
| 16:02.27 | bhuddah | are you able to send out packets? |
| 16:02.43 | mkramer_ | nope |
| 16:02.50 | bhuddah | still not? |
| 16:02.54 | mkramer_ | they never appear on the firewall in the FORWARD chain |
| 16:02.58 | bhuddah | it should work now that route get works. |
| 16:03.03 | mkramer_ | so it's never even reaching the target |
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| 16:03.27 | bhuddah | i wouldn't trust the forward chain. have you looked in the output one? |
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| 16:04.00 | bhuddah | most obvious one: have you enabled ip_forwarding? |
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| 16:04.31 | jelly | mkramer_: that just means you can reach it, but you can't use anything except addresses in 172.16.1.0/26 as gw |
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| 16:05.31 | S3Xinfo | http://s3x.info/legs-up-full-view-of-beautiful-shaved-pussy-3/ |
| 16:05.41 | jelly | a vpn like this is a peer-to-peer connection, the other end routes stuff for you and you don't have a say in HOW it gets routed |
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| 16:06.35 | jelly | malware peddlers still visit freenode |
| 16:06.58 | mkramer_ | jelly, i guess i could set up an openvpn @ 10.94.18.83 |
| 16:07.06 | mkramer_ | so i have vpn inside a vpn |
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| 16:07.09 | jelly | mkramer_: indeed |
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| 16:08.05 | jelly | (this may or may not conflict with your administrative policies ;-) |
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| 16:08.45 | nomius | Anyone on that one? |
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| 16:09.09 | jelly | nomius: no, but if it's not in apt.conf manual, it doesn't exist |
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| 16:09.44 | nomius | I see it as a hook for dpkg, not for apt-get, but maybe I was missleading something... |
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| 16:11.07 | jelly | that sounds about right |
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| 16:14.22 | nomius | Ok, thanks jelly |
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| 16:39.09 | wh0ami | hi |
| 16:39.11 | wh0ami | how can i do for make activation mails from phpbb work? (i only installed sendmail and i can send mails from console, but from website dont work) |
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| 16:41.04 | RichardStallman | I must say that |
| 16:41.08 | RichardStallman | debian is a fuckin |
| 16:41.09 | RichardStallman | FUCKIN |
| 16:41.12 | RichardStallman | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING |
| 16:41.13 | RichardStallman | worst |
| 16:41.16 | RichardStallman | distro ever |
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| 16:41.36 | bhuddah | RichardStallman: thank you for you valluable comment. |
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| 16:44.06 | bazhang | !ops | RichardStallman |
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| 16:44.26 | RichardStallman | !ops | bazhang |
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| 16:44.38 | cstdio | .. |
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| 16:47.39 | tgs3 | why was he K-lined? a bit excessive |
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| 16:50.46 | jelly-home | tgs3: that was likely not the only channel that client pasted noise in |
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| 16:51.27 | TriJetScud | lol |
| 16:51.36 | jelly-home | tgs3: best to ask that question in #freenode next time |
| 16:51.38 | TriJetScud | does rms even talk here? |
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| 16:52.24 | TriJetScud | jelly-home: nice ctcp version |
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| 16:56.02 | jelly-home | thanks |
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| 17:05.40 | Barneyy | I'm on debian 7.1 and when I try to browse web in Iceweasel in stausbar show me "Locking for XXXX..." about 15 second after that start loading page /// XXXX=that web site . u know why ? |
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| 17:07.02 | loin | hi guys, i need help setting up my hdmi monitor, https://paste8.com/KlSdrHeL |
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| 17:07.43 | format_c | Barneyy, I guess you'r router has a incomplete DNS implementation only covering A records. |
| 17:08.10 | mtn | loin: aren't they helping you on the arch channel? |
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| 17:08.17 | mtn | loin: you using arch and debian? |
| 17:08.21 | format_c | open a new tab, about:config in the address bar and then search for "network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to true |
| 17:08.34 | loin | mtn, debian per se (ubuntu) |
| 17:08.49 | mtn | loin: oh, even better yet ;) |
| 17:09.24 | loin | mtn, i need to work on a cuda project and ubuntu is the only place where i actually got the ubuntu driver running |
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| 17:10.15 | mtn | loin: you need to go to the ubuntu channel for help with ubuntu |
| 17:10.16 | Barneyy | format_c, WOW ! thanks dude. fixed like charm. what was the issue ?! |
| 17:10.51 | loin | mtn, as if this issue is because of ubuntu |
| 17:10.55 | loin | i'll go anyway |
| 17:11.00 | loin | thanks for the help guys |
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| 17:11.03 | cstdio | !tell loin about ubuntu |
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| 17:13.46 | format_c | from the console/terminal, do a "host -tA www.google.de" and a "host -tAAAA www.google.de" |
| 17:14.00 | format_c | Barneyy, I bet the second command takes longer w/o a result |
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| 17:15.39 | Barneyy | u righ , format_c |
| 17:16.48 | format_c | Most likely you have configured your home router as the DNS server |
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| 17:18.14 | Barneyy | format_c, btw, Thanks for help. ;-) |
| 17:18.44 | Moon_Man | I'm having an issue with a hostapd.conf file on the raspberry pi. I specified the driver as rtl871xdrv, which is the correct driver for the wireless chipset, and the exact same line worked on another raspbian (debian based) build. What could be the issue here? |
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| 17:20.51 | format_c | Barneyy, and it just does nothing with the DNS request for AAAA record. But in DNS every query must be replied or times out. In your case it times out and then iceweasel knows that it can skip IPv6 for that site. |
| 17:20.53 | format_c | NP |
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| 17:36.23 | rantic | Hey everybody |
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| 17:38.08 | kr4m3r | hello all, i have a l2tpv3 tunnel setuped as http://pastebin.com/LwZ1aARr. my problem is, i have place A and B. A have dhcp server. B have a clients that need request ip from dhcp on place A. i see request on dhcp server, but clients cant get ip address. |
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| 17:44.55 | atomdream | p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:45.00 | atomdream | please help |
| 17:45.09 | blackjack | how do i install shoutcast server in debian? |
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| 17:48.48 | msn | where does debian make logs for nfs-kernel-server |
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| 17:50.05 | blackjack | is there any package for radio shoutcast server for debian? |
| 17:50.08 | blackjack | On apt-get ? |
| 17:51.30 | C00re | the usual way to install shoutcast broadcasting tools is to download the file and unzip it |
| 17:51.35 | C00re | iirc. |
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| 17:52.58 | blackjack | is there no special package for debian to do it automagically C00re? |
| 17:53.19 | C00re | dont know |
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| 17:53.51 | C00re | i only used shoutcast on my slackware machine |
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| 17:57.01 | mackwerk__ | Hello! I am trying to keep load down on my postgres server while running a backup with barman so I wondered if its possible to renice on the barman pid only or if I have to do it on all processes that has something to do with the backup? |
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| 18:11.11 | netQT | Hello everyone, could someone helm with this problem |
| 18:11.11 | netQT | when I put my usb, it says the following |
| 18:11.11 | netQT | An error occurred while accessing 'Generic USB Flash Disk', the system responded: The kernel driver for this filesystem type is not available.: Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdb: can't read superblock |
| 18:11.11 | netQT | what does it mean? what can I do? |
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| 18:19.03 | roger21 | maybe it's vfat, you would need dosfstools aparently |
| 18:19.18 | roger21 | !tell netQT about vfat |
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| 18:20.33 | roger21 | well maybe not, it doesn't say you need it to mount it |
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| 18:22.08 | netQT | can I in some way format it from command line? maybe it will correct things? |
| 18:22.28 | netQT | just I cant see the device, it just prompts that message |
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| 18:23.05 | roger21 | oh you don't care about the content? chech /dev/disk to see if it there |
| 18:23.15 | roger21 | check |
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| 18:25.50 | roger21 | if yes, then fdisk it and format it whatever you want |
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| 18:29.55 | thowe | Is there a way to install a group of normal dev stuff like gcc and gmake? |
| 18:30.06 | thowe | or should I just install gcc and gmake as needed? |
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| 18:30.24 | bhuddah | there is a task for it i think |
| 18:30.30 | bhuddah | have you looked at tasksel? |
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| 18:30.31 | thowe | a "task"? |
| 18:30.42 | thowe | I have yet to hear of such a thing |
| 18:30.43 | bhuddah | but there is also something like build-deps or so |
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| 18:31.30 | Rydekull | thowe: apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:31.34 | bhuddah | ah. |
| 18:31.43 | bhuddah | i was typing the same -.- damn. too slow |
| 18:32.03 | thowe | Rydekull, Awesome thanks! |
| 18:32.34 | thowe | I was wanting to compiler Perl 5.16.3 and there was no gmake... |
| 18:32.41 | thowe | s/compiler/compile/ |
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| 18:38.51 | frikandel | guys i am very noob on debian but want to know how i can activate my pc to let it hibernate and put it on active with wake on lan |
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| 18:39.47 | frikandel | ethtool tells me this woke on lan :pumbg |
| 18:39.59 | frikandel | supports wake on lan : g |
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| 18:43.19 | jakub | hi |
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| 18:47.55 | coldtobi | Hallo, a question to realpath(3). It is safe to assume on Debian that the POSIX.1-2008 version is supported? (so accepting NULL as resolved_parameter)? |
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| 18:49.06 | goddard | whats up |
| 18:49.18 | jakub | im like Debian |
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| 18:50.21 | jelly-home | coldtobi: as far as you can trust the manual, yes |
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| 18:50.55 | jakub | wow its horable 1363 people? |
| 18:51.06 | jelly-home | coldtobi: older releases might use a different and older glibc with different behaviour |
| 18:51.27 | jakub | yes |
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| 18:53.39 | goddard | whats does debian use as an alternative to the PPA system? |
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| 18:55.58 | coldtobi | jelly-home: its just for an new upstream version for sid. |
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| 19:01.01 | jakub | PPA system what this? |
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| 19:01.30 | ompaul | goddard: it doesn't |
| 19:01.48 | ompaul | goddard: the closest you will get is backports |
| 19:01.54 | ompaul | !tell goddard about bpo |
| 19:03.28 | goddard | ompaul: backports sounds like old repos |
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| 19:03.37 | goddard | is it newer stuff? |
| 19:03.46 | bhuddah | back from the future o/ |
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| 19:04.39 | jelly-home | goddard: debian does not have infrastructure for random people to build and put packages onto |
| 19:04.54 | jelly-home | (which is what ppa repos are |
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| 19:05.23 | ompaul | goddard: it is newer and what jelly-home said |
| 19:07.26 | goddard | ahh i see |
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| 19:08.10 | goddard | sorry to be noober here but how many servers does debian use for all its packages |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins | goddard: Enough. |
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| 19:17.50 | blackjack | guys if i rm -rf /home/user123 |
| 19:18.02 | blackjack | will it also delete the account user123? |
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| 19:18.33 | mullein | blackjack: no, but the user won't have a home dir to log in to |
| 19:18.33 | nkuttler | blackjack: no |
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| 19:20.10 | blackjack | how do i delete the account as well? |
| 19:20.58 | mullein | deluser or userdel, i forget which. |
| 19:21.12 | mullein | deluser |
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| 19:21.32 | msn | anyone have success with compiling the Fusio ioxtreme driver for debian wheezy? |
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| 19:22.42 | Yoshi1 | can anyone help me get my wireless up and running? |
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| 19:23.44 | goddard | jhutchins: does that mean you dont know? |
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| 19:25.06 | Rackmount | goddard: unless you have access to the dc in which debian is hosting its files, there's really no way to know, unless they decide to make that information public |
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| 19:26.33 | blackjack | userdel: user admin is currently used by process 13529 |
| 19:26.34 | blackjack | /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel admin' returned error code 8. Exiting. |
| 19:26.40 | blackjack | what does this mean mullein? |
| 19:27.08 | jelly-home | exactly what it says, that user still has processes running |
| 19:28.15 | blackjack | how do i kill it and delete it as well? |
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| 19:28.54 | blackjack | i type ps ux and there is no process 13529 |
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| 19:29.05 | jelly-home | blackjack: what about ps aux? |
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| 19:30.11 | blackjack | ok i got it |
| 19:30.54 | jhutchins | goddard: Are you asking how many different hostnames are in the usual sources.list? |
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| 19:32.52 | ilikepie | I have a minimal installation of debian designed to be installed into ram. For some reason the time requires NTP, which is not installed. I think I have found the reason why. : https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/NTP.html |
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| 19:33.26 | ilikepie | What is the actual overhead for NTP protocol? If anyone knows. |
| 19:33.29 | blackjack | whats the more friendly command for debian. useradd or adduser? :D |
| 19:33.30 | blackjack | i forgot |
| 19:33.39 | Rackmount | ilikepie: overhead in what metrics? |
| 19:34.00 | MaddinXx | blackjack: adduser has the wizard |
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| 19:34.05 | ilikepie | FIle size, complexity, lines of code, overall megabytes to add, any form that's relevant. |
| 19:34.59 | ilikepie | I think, it's horribly inefficient and time synchronization could be handled by a simple script via telnet or another protocol with no need for NTP at all. |
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| 19:35.58 | jhutchins | ilikepie: ntp is used because it is superior than a script and it adjusts for drift. |
| 19:36.11 | jhutchins | ilikepie: Most systems run fine without it, but obviously don't maintain sync. |
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| 19:36.23 | jhutchins | ilikepie: Why do you think you have to have it? |
| 19:36.33 | ilikepie | Actually, my system doesn't get the time AT ALL. |
| 19:36.45 | ilikepie | I'm using a LiveCD distro with inaccurate time. |
| 19:36.53 | ilikepie | It boots up with inaccurate time every time. |
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| 19:37.37 | ilikepie | Running NTP is a waste of space/effort though... especially when you only want to set it once. In fact, the best way to do NTP from such a simple system would be to have a remote server do it once and 'fire and forget'. |
| 19:37.45 | jhutchins | ilikepie: So don't run it. |
| 19:38.04 | jhutchins | ilikepie: use ntpdate to set it once. |
| 19:38.15 | Rackmount | ilikepie: If you're not doing anything time-sensitive, like LDAP authentication, then just don't use it. |
| 19:38.33 | CissWit | or logging |
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| 19:38.44 | jhutchins | ilikepie: NTP is to keep the clock accurate over a period of time. PC clocks are notoriously innacurate, and clocks on virtual machines are worse. |
| 19:38.44 | ilikepie | I didn't, I'd have had to install tons of things. I can't use ntpdate because it's not installed, and being on liveCD, if I install it, it will take up PERMANENT ram to do so. |
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| 19:39.24 | jhutchins | ilikepie: So set it manually from your pocket watch. What is your problem? |
| 19:39.27 | ilikepie | Please, add a simple script or utility to fetch the time once without depending on any noncommon packages or protocols, including NTP. |
| 19:39.49 | ilikepie | I realize I won't get it in my LiveCD, but I believe it will help others and as such I am requesting that someone write it for everyone else. |
| 19:40.05 | ilikepie | Thank you. |
| 19:40.06 | CissWit | ilikepie: why don't you just do it manually once ? can't you get the time o ver the internet yourself ? |
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| 19:40.22 | jhutchins | ilikepie: I think you misunderstand how timekeeping works. There's nothing to prevent you from writing your own script and remastering your disk. |
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| 19:40.27 | ilikepie | I told you, I can't set it at all... I'm reporting bugs right now. |
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| 19:40.49 | jhutchins | ilikepie: No, you're not, you're ranting and complaining about something you have no clue about. |
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| 19:41.20 | ilikepie | That aside, it should have been updated automatically, it's a waste of time to have to set it every time I turn my machine on... hundreds of times a day. I already have to make a list of things to install, it's getting to be pointlessly long and I'm more and more tempted to go back to windows. |
| 19:41.40 | ilikepie | Actually, I'm going back to windows... I can't figure this thing out. I give up. |
| 19:43.00 | leitao | is there something similar to " dpkg-source --commit" that generates debpatchs, as for, a change in debian/rules? |
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| 19:43.03 | jelly-home | ilikepie: best to use whatever fits your needs; livecd images are limited in size and features by necessity |
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| 19:44.13 | CissWit | ilikepie: windows time synchronisation use a protocol very similar to ntp, so you are talking about the overhead of something you are actually planning to go back to. |
| 19:44.20 | berarma | ilikepie: what's your problem? |
| 19:44.21 | Rackmount | ilikepie: to each his/her own. If you're going to report an alleged bug, you should be sure to include the fine details about what you're trying to do, what's failing, and any error messages that result. |
| 19:44.45 | Rackmount | CissWit: I thought Windows used fairly standard NTP client. |
| 19:46.40 | CissWit | Rackmount: it's similar but i remember reading on microsoft technet that it's not an exact implementation, never really dig into this |
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| 19:47.05 | CissWit | dug* |
| 19:47.07 | Rackmount | CissWit: Are you warning me, or did you just forget an "I". :) |
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| 19:48.35 | CissWit | i was meaning "studied" or something like that |
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| 19:48.51 | CissWit | my english sucks sorry :) |
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| 19:49.43 | Rackmount | CissWit: Not at all. It just struck me as funny, since the last time I dug into anything related to Windows, I started wishing I hadn't. :) |
| 19:49.54 | n2diy | my clock is off by 11 minutes, ntpq -P shows I'm connected to 4 NTP servers!? |
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| 19:50.38 | Rackmount | Namely, encryption problems with regards to RDP. |
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| 19:59.00 | jhutchins | Windows was made for people like him. |
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| 19:59.48 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 19:59.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:59.59 | jhutchins | n2diy: What does ntpq -p show? |
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| 20:00.34 | jhutchins | n2diy: If your clock is too far off, ntp won't set it. This avoids problems with large changes in the current time for sensitive applications. |
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| 20:01.07 | jhutchins | n2diy: Most implementations of ntp will do a large update once, when started, but if it gets too far off later it won't adjust it. |
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| 20:04.38 | n2diy | jhutchins, the clock and ntp was working fine, I just noticed it was wrong. ntpq -P lists four servers. |
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| 20:05.17 | goddard | jhutchins: nah I was just curious because you guys said they don't have the infrastructure to host a PPA style system |
| 20:05.36 | goddard | jhutchins: so i was wondering what it took to host the packages |
| 20:05.43 | goddard | like how many servers |
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| 20:07.53 | jelly-home | goddard: anyone can host their own third-party packages on simple web hosting; it's not a matter of Debian not having resources, but choosing not to implement such a service |
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| 20:08.38 | goddard | jelly-home: is there a tutorial on how to do that? |
| 20:08.44 | jelly-home | !own repo |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages that are available. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can make your own repo with <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 20:08.52 | goddard | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 20:12.58 | adilix | hi all |
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| 20:13.50 | adilix | i try to download the dvd images with jigdo, i downloaded the .jigdo and the template file and now it says for a mirror, what to do |
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| 20:14.14 | Rackmount | adilix: it's asking you for a mirror to use to download the "pieces" |
| 20:14.27 | Rackmount | usually the default is fine |
| 20:15.56 | adilix | ok i have added this ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 20:16.13 | Rackmount | hugz his jigdo binary |
| 20:16.29 | adilix | do i have to download all the .jigdo and template files? |
| 20:16.58 | Rackmount | adilix: if you're looking to nab all of the ISO image then yes. Otherwise, you only need the first ISO to install Debian. |
| 20:17.14 | adilix | ok i try to download all the images |
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| 20:17.24 | Rackmount | the rest can be downloaded and installed by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc. |
| 20:17.58 | adilix | ok i know that, but i need the complete set because i will not have internet in 1-2 weeks |
| 20:18.41 | Rackmount | whatever works. I have the full set myself too. |
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| 20:18.56 | adilix | but even no torrent available for the complete set, why that? |
| 20:19.30 | jelly-home | because mirrors usually have enough bandwidth |
| 20:20.04 | adilix | yes and no1 of the mirrors provides the complete set |
| 20:20.21 | adilix | this is not debian way i think |
| 20:20.30 | adilix | and no freedom |
| 20:20.53 | jelly-home | what do you mean? They provide the packages. |
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| 20:21.14 | adilix | yes only the packages, i am talking about the dvd images |
| 20:21.19 | adilix | the iso files |
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| 20:21.41 | adilix | you can download for 6.xx version the complete set of isos |
| 20:21.51 | zykotick9 | adilix: you can get them, using jigdo. just not torrent (viewed as a waste of bandwidth i think) |
| 20:21.51 | jelly-home | if you want all the dvds, you might as well pull the whole mirror for one release and one architecture |
| 20:22.11 | adilix | yes i do it atm :) |
| 20:22.22 | adilix | yipieeeeeee jigdo |
| 20:22.31 | adilix | long live jigdo |
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| 20:40.14 | jhutchins | I do note that most if not all of the servers have disabled ftp, even if ftp is in the server name. |
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| 20:52.44 | Tordek | what's the most similar I can get to Remote Desktop? I'm using VNC from a machine at 1360x768 to access a machine with 2 monitors at 1280x1024 running x11vnc; is it possible to automagically resize the desktop so I don't have to drag the screen everywhere? |
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| 20:54.41 | mumpitze1 | Tordek: remote X |
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| 20:59.18 | jhutchins | Tordek: rdp works in linux. |
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| 21:06.49 | SmashingX | Does anyone knows if cut, paste and sort can work not only in columns but also in lines? |
| 21:07.08 | SmashingX | I'm talking about the commands by the way |
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| 21:08.57 | Tordek | jhutchins: rdp server? |
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| 21:09.48 | Tordek | mumpitze1: but how would I share an open app? e.g., I'm in machine 1 typing, then I need to go to machine 2, and keep working on the same window I was before? |
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| 21:10.43 | mumpitze1 | freeNX then I think does that |
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| 21:15.52 | SmashingX | somebody? |
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| 21:17.44 | rsc33 | how can I easy format usb from gnome? |
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| 21:18.00 | rsc33 | how can I easy format usb from gnome? |
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| 21:19.05 | mumpitze1 | rsc33: use gparted |
| 21:19.27 | rsc33 | what is that |
| 21:19.36 | rsc33 | tool for gnome or terminal? |
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| 21:20.08 | mumpitze1 | maybe look yourself and find out? |
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| 21:22.45 | SmashingX | what's the meaning of < in bash? |
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| 21:23.26 | AimHere | Redirection, it takes the contents of the file and it's used as stdin for the preceding command |
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| 21:25.02 | SmashingX | AimHere: example? |
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| 21:26.21 | nmschulte | I'm in the market for a new laptop to be used for software development. I'm curioous (as a starting point) what wireless chipshet I should prefer given the DFSG. |
| 21:26.30 | nmschulte | s/shet/set/ |
| 21:27.05 | AimHere | SmashingX > bc is the calculator app, if you type 'bc' in the command line and type in an arithmetical sum, it calculates it |
| 21:27.19 | rsc33 | mumixam thanks |
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| 21:27.32 | AimHere | SmashingX, but if you put the arithmetic in a file 'foo' then you can get the result by 'bc < foo' |
| 21:27.58 | rsc33 | any other way to format usb from gnome other than gpareted? |
| 21:28.30 | SmashingX | AimHere: great! thanks! |
| 21:28.35 | SmashingX | AimHere++ |
| 21:28.50 | AimHere | the '>' operator is the converse, and redirects the output of a command *into* a file |
| 21:28.56 | mumpitze1 | nmschulte: atheros. most/all others need non-free firmware. but if you can: get an intel wlan chip, even if it needs firmware |
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| 21:29.21 | AimHere | such as 'ls > foo' (make sure you don't overwrite your mission critical 'foo' file) |
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| 21:29.51 | nmschulte | mumpitze1: Isn't Intel WLAN entirely free? |
| 21:30.03 | mumpitze1 | nmschulte: it is not. all intel wlan chips need non-free firmware |
| 21:30.08 | SmashingX | I knew that one already AimHere |
| 21:30.45 | nmschulte | mumpitze1: I see. Why the Intel favor then? Hardware "quality"? Driver quality/reliability? |
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| 21:31.32 | mumpitze1 | basically yes |
| 21:32.24 | mumpitze1 | but atheros is fine too. hard to find consumer laptops with intel wlan chips |
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| 21:33.28 | nmschulte | Intel is apparently all Lenovo offers (their IdeaPad Y series, and the ThinkPad T series). |
| 21:33.30 | dgarstang | The debian/install file, need a little help... |
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| 21:33.38 | nmschulte | Not that I'm exclusive to Lenovo, just noting that. |
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| 21:34.01 | mumpitze1 | nmschulte: T series aren't consumer laptops... |
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| 21:34.30 | nmschulte | Here's a wild one: How well does Debian exploit the MacBook hardware? |
| 21:34.43 | mumpitze1 | !macbook |
| 21:34.43 | dpkg | i heard macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
| 21:34.58 | nmschulte | mumpitze1: Thanks. |
| 21:35.13 | mumpitze1 | the broadcom wlan chips apple usually uses are SHIT. pure undiluted total SHIT |
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| 21:35.42 | nmschulte | It's okay if I have to swap out some parts, e.g. mini pcie WLAN or such |
| 21:35.49 | mumpitze1 | you cannot do that |
| 21:36.01 | nmschulte | (so long as there is no stupid voiding of warranty or vendor-lockin-bullshit going on) |
| 21:37.02 | mumpitze1 | pretty much every laptop has vendor lock in for wlan. apple doesn't use replacable mini pcie on macbook airs, their ultrabook |
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| 21:42.48 | ougogo | Hi all ! When I try apt-get upgrade I obtain this : http://pastebin.com/d62j4iMF And I can't finish update ! |
| 21:43.07 | nmschulte | I think I'd be rather hypocritical running Debian on a MacBook Pro... thoughts? |
| 21:43.37 | nmschulte | I should rephrase that: hypocritical purchasing a new MacBook Pro with the intent to run exclusively Debian. |
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| 21:44.24 | nkuttler | ougogo: there is no error |
| 21:44.31 | nkuttler | ougogo: fwiw, turn off apt-listchanges |
| 21:44.32 | jelly-home | nmschulte: looking forward to fixing display issues on a 300+dpi screen? |
| 21:44.55 | nmschulte | jelly-home: I will finally get to see what all of the fuss is about, yeah. |
| 21:45.00 | nkuttler | ,v courier |
| 21:45.01 | judd | No package named 'courier' was found in i386. |
| 21:45.12 | Vicissitude | weird |
| 21:45.15 | nmschulte | First hand, I mean. I'm aware of the fuss, to some extent. |
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| 21:51.13 | ougogo | Yes but how can I resolve that ? |
| 21:52.05 | ougogo | I don't select packe to install, juste apt-get upgrade and this message is showing.... I should type CTRL+c for exit and no packet are update.... |
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| 21:53.13 | mumpitze1 | ougogo: uninstall apt-listbugs |
| 21:53.18 | musca | no |
| 21:53.30 | musca | ougogo: press q |
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| 21:53.53 | musca | it quits displaying the info and apt will continue |
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| 21:54.13 | ougogo | thanks musca and mumpitze1 ! |
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| 22:05.33 | deed02392 | hey guys I've got a Debian server, I want to take an image of the disk (as small as possible, just the used data) and store it in a format that I can mount locally later and explore however I like. I'm aware I could use dd but only for creating an image of the WHOLE disk including empty space. so, any ideas? |
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| 22:06.35 | mumpitze1 | there is no way you can create a mountable file except by using dd. you could compress the image file of course on disk |
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| 22:06.40 | berarma | deed02392, you can compress the image |
| 22:07.00 | deed02392 | so if I lzo compress or whatever then that at least makes the unused space compressed right? |
| 22:07.15 | deed02392 | assuming unused space is a sequence of zeros which I guess it might not be |
| 22:07.33 | deed02392 | can I mount this compressed image as-is? or would it need to be inflated first |
| 22:07.55 | mumpitze1 | yes. as long as the unused space consists for zeros. if you put a file, then delete it, the space is unused but still has not so well compressable "data" |
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| 22:08.14 | mumpitze1 | there are filesystem which have compression, so you can mount it as is |
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| 22:08.47 | deed02392 | ok so what should I do if I've got two machines on a network and I want to get a compressed image of host A on host B? |
| 22:09.51 | berarma | you could wipe the partition's free space before creating the image, that would get better compression |
| 22:09.56 | mumpitze1 | use software like clonezilla |
| 22:10.18 | acu | I have an ASUS amd a10 laptop with a solid state hdd - I installed wheezy amd64 and everything worked perfectly (with UEFI) - Yesterday I needed to check a hard disk, and swap it with the main one, now I place the original hard disk and get error - no such disk GRUB RESCUE ? why is this not recognized ? is the same hard disk I had before |
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| 22:10.29 | deed02392 | is that simple berarma ? |
| 22:10.53 | berarma | deed02392, I think there's tools to do it |
| 22:11.12 | deed02392 | this is an OVH server mumpitze1, I'm not sure I can get clonezilla up and running on it |
| 22:12.34 | berarma | deed02392, here's a possible solutions, I haven't tried any of that though: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/31669/is-it-possible-to-mount-a-gzip-compressed-dd-image-on-the-fly |
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| 22:15.34 | deed02392 | oops, forgot that server is my IRC bouner :D |
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| 22:17.44 | deed02392 | hm thing is about that berarma is it requires another disk the same full size of the drive i want to compress |
| 22:17.50 | deed02392 | the drive is 1 TB but only about 100 gig is used |
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| 22:36.38 | msn | i just rebooted my server before physcailly moving it and it just hung on starting nfs-utls worked fine when i was setting it up statd idmapd and gssd are all disabled |
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| 22:36.54 | msn | nfs-common is the one stuck right now |
| 22:37.13 | mmatters | Hi! Does anyone know how can I get the label and controls of a ladspa plugin, to use it in my .asoundrc file? |
| 22:37.35 | abrotman | msn: network issues? |
| 22:37.53 | msn | network is fine |
| 22:38.12 | msn | its the server not even moutning anything from outside right now |
| 22:38.38 | msn | i want to force it to start in the end after everything has started so that even if it fails everything else works still |
| 22:38.54 | berarma | mmatters, listplugins and analyseplugin |
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| 22:39.44 | mmatters | member:berarma, thank you! |
| 22:39.49 | msn | reminds me why i hate nfs |
| 22:43.54 | msn | plus i wish debian would accept Ctrl+c during boot to quit starting aservice which takes too long to start |
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| 23:10.37 | ougogo | Hi all. When I try to upgrade debian 6 I have this error : http://pastebin.com/Z4nbjUg8 How can I resolve it ? Thanks ! |
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| 23:11.44 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: you really want to follow the release notes |
| 23:11.57 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: but in short, you need to use dist-upgrade, not just upgrade |
| 23:12.22 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 23:13.35 | ougogo | dondelelcaro Thanks ! But same error with dist-upgrade :s |
| 23:14.12 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: what does apt-cache policy mysql-server; output? |
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| 23:15.52 | ougogo | dondelelcaro This is output : http://pastebin.com/NsTjtXZF |
| 23:16.55 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: ok. You seem to have started the upgrade already. Run apt-get -f install; and mysql-sever-5.5 should be installed. |
| 23:17.11 | adilix | cya bye bye |
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| 23:17.59 | ougogo | dondelelcaro An other error :s http://pastebin.com/KGaR26j9 |
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| 23:19.38 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: ok. What does apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-5.1-; output? |
| 23:19.50 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: and dpkg --get-selections|grep hold; ? |
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| 23:22.42 | ougogo | dondelelcaro Here results : http://pastebin.com/skaMKT6w |
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| 23:29.16 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: you're missing the trailing - |
| 23:29.34 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, that command still would have worked |
| 23:29.55 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: do you actually need mysql-server installed right this second? |
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| 23:30.22 | dondelelcaro | ougogo: if not, remove mysql-server-5.1, mysql-server, and mysql-server-5.5, and do the upgrade, then install them |
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| 23:38.39 | z127 | hi. does anyone know of a way to grab x11 output and stream it in real time? |
| 23:39.05 | ougogo | dondelelcaro I've ispconfig setup on this server :s |
| 23:39.09 | z127 | like, a program which provides the x11 output as a v4l device |
| 23:39.36 | z127 | which I could then send with ekiga or something. |
| 23:40.35 | z127 | I found some xserver-xorg-video-v4l, but no documentation. |
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| 23:42.27 | somiaj | z127: why do you want to stream it in real time? |
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| 23:44.32 | somiaj | z127: my thought is use something like vnc such you can have multiple users viewing the desktop at the same time |
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| 23:44.48 | z127 | for video chat, drawing equations and stuff |
| 23:44.55 | stirnwer | tst |
| 23:45.19 | somiaj | z127: what video chat, skype already has a tool to 'share the desktop' |
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| 23:45.47 | somiaj | though skype isn't free, it is the only video chat I use and rarely at that. |
| 23:46.19 | z127 | but with vnc, the other party can send input to my screen. |
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| 23:47.05 | z127 | I will probably use ffmpeg and pipe the output through netcat |
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| 23:51.39 | z127 | hm, vlc can capture x11 and stream it. is probably cleaner than the netcat way. |
| 23:51.42 | somiaj | there are recording options but I think streaming off of tradational xorg would be difficult unless you use something like vnc with nice streaming video. It may be possible to make it so the users can only view (not interact) with the session, not sure |
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| 23:54.13 | berarma | z127, gstreamer can capture the screen contents |
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| 23:55.30 | z127 | and ffmpeg also supports streaming data upstream |
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| 23:59.51 | linuxnewb | hi. anyone got any idea how to get wireless working on t430 on wheezy (7.1)? |
