| 00:00.12 | mumpitze1 | !tell linuxnewb about iwlwifi |
| 00:00.40 | mumpitze1 | get the firmware you need like dpkg just described to you, and it will work |
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| 00:01.03 | linuxnewb | cheers |
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| 00:08.39 | Jarmer | got a question on package installation for everyone! -- So I downloaded the newest steam.deb , used dpkg to install it, which went okay. But now that steam is in my menu, every time I try to open it, steam wants to download and install extra packages. my user account of course isn't in the sudoers, so it refuses to install. So I think, fine okay, go to terminal... su... run steam command, and it says "cannot run as root user" -- so what do I do here? |
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| 00:21.52 | rryoumaa | if you don't trust iceweasel, especially with extensions loaded, does it make sense to run it as user A, and display it on user B's X server? are there better solutions using virtualization or something? |
| 00:22.19 | Jarmer | just curious, why not trust iceweasel? |
| 00:22.28 | operhiem1 | rryoumaa: kdesudo -u ? |
| 00:22.37 | koollman | rryoumaa: it would make sense to run it as a different user, yes |
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| 00:23.02 | operhiem1 | rryoumaa: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3ddbdbd2b54f018899eb |
| 00:23.06 | rryoumaa | Jarmer: i don't know. it just seems like it is vulnerable to a lot of attacks. i'd like to balance convenience with isolation. |
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| 00:23.22 | rryoumaa | also, i will be installing a few extensions, which are not debian extensions |
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| 00:24.16 | Jarmer | like normal "firefox" extensions into the browser? I can totally understand that. I mean, I suppose all the popular browsers are vulnerable, right? |
| 00:24.19 | abrotman | rryoumaa: you could use w3m? |
| 00:24.47 | rryoumaa | abrotman: i am also looking for the convenience of being able to run javascript etc. |
| 00:25.19 | rryoumaa | and the same goes for chromium etc. just though maybe these things can be isolated, so all they can do is download to the home directory. |
| 00:25.25 | rryoumaa | t* |
| 00:25.46 | abrotman | rryoumaa: put it in a chroot |
| 00:25.51 | rryoumaa | Jarmer: yes, probably |
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| 00:25.54 | rryoumaa | operhiem1: interesting approach, thanks. |
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| 00:27.06 | rryoumaa | abrotman: which means, what, create a chroot, copy over all of debian to it, and run from it? |
| 00:27.08 | operhiem1 | rryoumaa: Hope it's helpful. I didn't write it, the Freenet developer p0s / x0r is to thank for that. |
| 00:27.42 | rryoumaa | i was wondering if there was some virtual machine thing people do for that. i am probalby not the only person who wants to do this. |
| 00:28.56 | rryoumaa | the details of how to authorize x for that user, how to do the chroot if one does that, etc., are not trivial for me, but i think i have a sense that this is an ok approach |
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| 00:30.54 | operhiem1 | Limiting the user under which the browser runs will not necessarily stop exploits similar to the Freedom Hosting bust though. |
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| 00:31.41 | operhiem1 | I think that code in pages is much less trustworthy than extensions. Extensions are not a moving target. Code in pages can change at any time. |
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| 00:34.18 | rryoumaa | huh. but supposedly code in pages is sandboxed while extensions for unknown reasons are not. right? |
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| 00:34.44 | rryoumaa | your idea of the word "sandbox" is good. i looked it up and one place suggested a command called sandbox. sandbox -X -H sehome -T tmp -t sandbox_web_t firefox |
| 00:34.57 | rryoumaa | dunno if htat works on debian |
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| 00:35.39 | rryoumaa | (except that won't allow copy and paste) |
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| 01:07.21 | goddard | how can i convert multiple images by name to a pdf using the convert command? |
| 01:07.48 | Bac0n | isnt there a web page you can see package holdups unstable->testing |
| 01:08.30 | themill | Bac0n: packages.qa.debian.org/$sourcepackage |
| 01:08.40 | Bac0n | tnx |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | did they kill off the release.debian.org migration page? |
| 01:11.17 | operhiem1 | goddard: Likely shell scripting. In Bash I think that'd be: for file in *.jpg; do; convert "$file" "$file.pdf"; done; |
| 01:11.38 | themill | abrotman: not that I know of, but someone changed all of dpkg's factoids the other day |
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| 01:11.53 | goddard | operhiem1: i need to input image1.jpg and image2.jpg into pdf1.pdf |
| 01:12.51 | themill | goddard: I normally get best results by converting image1.jpg to image1.pdf (etc) and then using pdftk to join all of the image*.pdf into one |
| 01:12.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl does not work any more |
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| 01:14.22 | themill | jelly-home: really? |
| 01:14.23 | themill | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nodejs |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's what i thought |
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| 01:14.50 | abrotman | oh, they put it back? |
| 01:14.57 | themill | It never went away that I konw of |
| 01:15.08 | jelly-home | hm, or maybe it does http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=r8168-dkms |
| 01:15.43 | jelly-home | I think did not work a couple days back |
| 01:15.48 | jelly-home | it* |
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| 01:22.01 | Bac0n | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kde4libs;printalldeps=1 that one didnt work |
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| 01:53.15 | Jarmer | anyone around? |
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| 01:55.25 | LtL | Jarmer: lots of poeple. |
| 01:55.37 | LtL | people** |
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| 02:15.13 | Jarmer | I have a question on package install |
| 02:15.25 | Jarmer | got a question on package installation for everyone! -- So I downloaded the newest steam.deb , used dpkg to install it, which went okay. But now that steam is in my menu, every time I try to open it, steam wants to download and install extra packages. my user account of course isn't in the sudoers, so it refuses to install. So I think, fine okay, go to terminal... su... run steam command, and it says "cannot run as root user" -- so what do I do here? |
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| 02:16.00 | RipresaTecn | add youself to sudoers |
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| 02:16.33 | Jarmer | but I thought isn't the whole point of having the different accounts not to add your "regular" user account to sudoers and use the root account for stuff like that? |
| 02:17.54 | RipresaTecn | try su -c steamcommand |
| 02:17.59 | RipresaTecn | in your home directory |
| 02:18.03 | LtL | Jarmer: there would be no sudoers if it served no purpose at all |
| 02:18.09 | RipresaTecn | agreed |
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| 02:18.24 | RipresaTecn | but in reality i was being sarcastic and have no experience with steam |
| 02:18.40 | RipresaTecn | but i think it updates into your home directory from how friends talk |
| 02:18.50 | RipresaTecn | so i would think you would need root but ill shutup |
| 02:18.54 | RipresaTecn | wouldnt* |
| 02:22.19 | Jarmer | when I try su -c it still gives the same "cannot run as root" weird error... so I guess I'll just add myself to the sudoers |
| 02:23.43 | jerryzhou | sudo -s |
| 02:23.51 | jerryzhou | Jarmer, |
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| 02:26.06 | Jarmer | same error cannot run it as root lol, but thanks for the suggestion! |
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| 02:27.31 | fetoega | I could not figure out where to ask so i thought i will give #debian a try. Is it possible to disable systray functionality of skype for using windowmanagers without tray support. |
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| 02:28.55 | Jarmer | lol, the visudo command says to use /etc/sudoers.d/ directory and the file inside that directory says to use the visudo command! |
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| 02:31.04 | RustyShackleford | when transmission-daemon is started, for some reason the web interface doesn't work. However if I restart the daemon, it works fine |
| 02:31.13 | RustyShackleford | what's happening at startup to cause this? |
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| 02:36.53 | rule_ | i can see audio on my output device in pulseaudio and it actually moves properly, but I hear nothing |
| 02:37.04 | rule_ | I can hear sound if I swipe the volume up and down, a zipper effect. |
| 02:37.18 | rule_ | Is this software, a driver, or just pulseaudio being pulseaudio? |
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| 02:40.17 | gabo | o/ |
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| 02:48.14 | jennie | hello |
| 02:49.02 | jennie | I am new to linux world, know very less than you people, should I install debian ? |
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| 02:50.29 | jennie | hi jlf |
| 02:51.50 | LtL | jennie: yes, install debian .. best support crew on the net. |
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| 02:52.21 | jennie | LtL, but my linux exposure is very less like few hours and that also at ubuntu OS, is that fine ? |
| 02:53.06 | LtL | jennie: yes that's fine. |
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| 02:53.50 | LtL | jennie: you may find a couple hardware bumps along the road but the help is here. |
| 02:54.04 | jennie | um my hardware is 2 y ear old |
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| 02:54.14 | jennie | just a graphic card and laser printer |
| 02:54.27 | Artemis3 | default desktop might be a bit shocking tho... |
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| 02:56.15 | LtL | jennie: 2 year hardware is fine, graphics can be tricky as well as printing but is 99% fixable and worth the extra effort. |
| 02:56.21 | jennie | http://support-in.canon-asia.com/P/search?model=LBP2900B&filter=0&menu= this is what I am concerned about, will this work in my linux ? because my old friend which is not alive anymore sadly installed this driver and made my printer run in previous installation of ubuntu |
| 02:56.42 | jennie | I took his help in printer because I dont know how to install drivers in linux |
| 02:56.59 | jennie | thats quite hard if you coming from windows , lots of stuff at google and none works |
| 02:58.44 | jennie | so i just have to download and run that driver for printer ? is it easy |
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| 03:00.19 | LtL | jennie: http://lecramyajiv.blogspot.com/2012/04/installing-canon-lbp2900b-in-debian.html -- that printer will work with squeeze, it should work with wheezy, maybe even easier. |
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| 03:00.58 | LtL | jennie: that was just the first hit btw. |
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| 03:01.09 | jennie | not before a year |
| 03:01.49 | jennie | there are lots of other hits which are very confusing for a new user like me |
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| 03:02.38 | LtL | jennie: that's what this channel is for :) |
| 03:02.46 | jennie | ok, also please tell me that I have 3 HDD and in first HDD there is C windows installed, 2ond HDD there is D,E and 3rd HDD there is F and Linux partition, now there is GRUB loader at boot which ask between windows,ubuntu and mem test, if I install debian at linux partition then what will happen ? |
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| 03:04.07 | tvm | jennie: debian will reinstall grub onto third HDD, that's what will happen |
| 03:04.25 | jennie | the current GRUB is in 3rd HDD ? |
| 03:04.59 | tvm | jennie: that is the question, it might be also on the first hdd |
| 03:05.11 | tvm | jennie: you can check easily in bios, from what HDD is your computer booting |
| 03:05.17 | recall | jennie, I guess ubuntu created the partition on your 3rd drive? if you choose that as your install partition, it will overwrite the ubuntu files |
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| 03:05.42 | tvm | jennie: if your computer boots from third HDD and GRUB shows up, then GRUB is third HDD |
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| 03:06.05 | jennie | so the debian installation will automatically writes over current GRUB ? |
| 03:06.20 | tvm | jennie: yes, it will ask you |
| 03:06.25 | jennie | ok |
| 03:06.34 | jennie | and it will add windows boot option automatically ? |
| 03:06.53 | Jarmer | okay, so I've been messing around with my sudoers file and I have a question! |
| 03:07.22 | tvm | jennie: i don't remember really, but i think that i saw that happen |
| 03:07.32 | tvm | jennie: you can add the new entry for windows easily anyways |
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| 03:07.51 | recall | jennie, it most likely will, there's a probe script that's run on install which searches for existing boot partitions, I believe |
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| 03:08.01 | Vicissitude | os-prober |
| 03:08.03 | jennie | tvm, I am in ubuntu now, can you tell me how do I view the GRUB partition ? |
| 03:08.04 | Jarmer | when I add my username under the root line in visudo and hit ctrl x to exit |
| 03:08.39 | Jarmer | it asks me specifically *how* to save it, dos, mac, append, or prepend |
| 03:08.45 | Jarmer | what do I choose here? |
| 03:08.56 | fetoega | I find debian to easy to set up... I have nothing to do after installing latest amiwm and apps... In ubuntu i get to hunt down loads of problems for hours on every update. =( |
| 03:08.59 | tvm | jennie: it's not really a partition, it's in MBR, why do you want to 'view' it ? |
| 03:09.19 | fetoega | Did not even get felx build problems in debian. |
| 03:09.24 | fetoega | flex* |
| 03:09.44 | tvm | Jarmer: seems like that question is coming from your editor, not visudo |
| 03:10.00 | LtL | jennie: it often recognizes windows during install, your setup is a bit convoluted. You can run os-prober after install but it usually likes to be on the same drive |
| 03:10.12 | tvm | Jarmer: visudo is just wrapper, it fires up your editor and opens the /etc/sudoers file |
| 03:10.26 | Jarmer | gotcha |
| 03:10.30 | Trae32566 | just out of curiosity |
| 03:10.33 | jennie | http://oi44.tinypic.com/nfnrz4.jpg |
| 03:10.38 | jennie | pleae have a loo |
| 03:10.41 | jennie | look* |
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| 03:10.51 | fetoega | jennie, that is ubuntu |
| 03:10.51 | Trae32566 | Lol...I dont think he needs to pee |
| 03:10.52 | Trae32566 | oh |
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| 13:46.34 | ZadYree_ | Hello |
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| 13:49.08 | ZadYree | I would like to know if it is possible to build a kind of package that will append modifications on the debian system. I mean by that a package file which would for example modify ~/.bashrc, install binaries, etc. |
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| 13:53.03 | oliv3r | ZadYree: you want to make a package that modifies personal user files? |
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| 13:54.35 | ZadYree | Yes, and even system files, requiring root privileges for heavy stuff. |
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| 14:14.34 | jolly888 | þÿÿÿâsãvtãv |
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| 14:15.13 | lotherk | jolly888: are you ok? |
| 14:15.28 | jolly888 | yea why? |
| 14:15.54 | Rackmount | jolly888: your client seemed to spew some odd characters just now. |
| 14:16.42 | jolly888 | I don't see it on this side.. in main chat? |
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| 14:17.00 | Rackmount | jolly888: yeah, just 2 minutes ago. |
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| 14:17.36 | Rackmount | It was only a single line, but it resembles a botch ZModem transfer. :) |
| 14:17.43 | Rackmount | s/botch/botched |
| 14:17.58 | lotherk | heh :D |
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| 14:18.25 | Kingsy | guys, xorg, has totally crashed on me, I am in a tty atm.. |
| 14:18.31 | Kingsy | according to top its using 100% CPU |
| 14:18.40 | Kingsy | what is the best way of trying to recover the sessions? |
| 14:18.42 | Kingsy | session* |
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| 14:19.14 | Kingsy | I have SO many windows open, I really cant loose it |
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| 14:20.22 | lotherk | kingsley: is it X11 itself that produces the high load? |
| 14:20.27 | Rackmount | Kingsy: What happens if you bring up the virtual console that X11 was started upon? |
| 14:20.44 | Kingsy | lotherk, it is "xorg" |
| 14:21.13 | Kingsy | Rackmount: what do you mean? i.e go back to tty7 ? its just a black screen with a mouse cursor |
| 14:21.24 | Rackmount | Kingsy: xorg == X11R7 |
| 14:21.48 | lotherk | kingsley: black screen, mhmhm. maybe a screensaver issue? |
| 14:22.00 | Rackmount | Okay. If the session crashed, I'm not aware of any way to salvage it. The x clients are wholly dependent upon the server, so if the server is shot, so are the client apps. |
| 14:22.10 | Kingsy | lotherk: no, it happened when I tried to kill a app that had crashed, (spotify) |
| 14:22.20 | Kingsy | damn |
| 14:22.32 | Kingsy | I guess I am just going to have to reboot then |
| 14:22.33 | Rackmount | This is one facet of Windows that I actually like. If the EXPLORER.EXE shell goes down, your apps still survive. |
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| 14:22.40 | Rackmount | I know, apples and oranges. :) |
| 14:22.48 | Kingsy | yeah I was thinkin that.. but yeah you cant have everything |
| 14:22.57 | Kingsy | ok brb then :( gonna loose the world. |
| 14:23.30 | Rackmount | Kingsy: like the old saying goes, "save often". :\ |
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| 14:24.17 | Rackmount | Kingsy: if you do have any screensavers running, you could kill them from your currently active tty |
| 14:24.31 | Rackmount | perhaps, a lotherk pointed out, this issue is with the screensave. |
| 14:24.36 | Rackmount | r |
| 14:25.08 | Kingsy | done |
| 14:25.26 | Kingsy | Rackmount: I didnt loose work, I lost my train of thought, my open windows |
| 14:26.18 | Rackmount | "screencast often" :D |
| 14:26.33 | Kingsy | haha |
| 14:26.35 | Rackmount | that would just be ridiculous. :) |
| 14:26.52 | lotherk | screensavers in linux aren't working for me without any issue since ever. dunno why. :D |
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| 14:28.13 | Rackmount | lotherk: Yeah, my 9800GT doesn't seem to care much for some GL screensavers under Debian. They work fine under Slackware. They're probably geared more for Nouveau rather than the proprietary driver. |
| 14:28.32 | lotherk | might be. I'm always using nvidia cards |
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| 14:33.59 | C00re | I just found out something fun at the console login, by accident i pressed the arrow keys and noticed the cursor on the screen moved around "hmm", then i started entering random letters, voilá! random stuff all over the login screen ;) |
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| 14:34.08 | C00re | is this a debian feature? :) |
| 14:34.31 | C00re | never seen it before on other distros |
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| 14:34.49 | cstdio | The CONSOLE login screen? |
| 14:34.56 | C00re | yes, outside X :p |
| 14:35.03 | cstdio | The console login screen shouldn't have a cursor..... |
| 14:35.24 | cstdio | If you press arrow keys it should be something like this: "^[[A" |
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| 14:40.16 | C00re | login: _ <- that cursor |
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| 14:40.37 | cstdio | Oh |
| 14:40.56 | cstdio | we're you in the password screen? |
| 14:41.24 | C00re | y.. |
| 14:41.51 | C00re | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1150977_10151578897065382_309598085_n.jpg :) |
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| 14:43.04 | C00re | hm.. maybe i should do some ascii stuff there ;) |
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| 14:44.54 | cstdio | C00re: uh. That's really weird |
| 14:45.02 | C00re | but cool! :P |
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| 14:45.12 | cstdio | ^ |
| 14:45.16 | C00re | fresh install of debian :) |
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| 14:45.55 | cstdio | Huh. I'll have to try that later. |
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| 14:46.25 | C00re | <ENTER> once or twice makes it go away tho |
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| 14:46.53 | cstdio | Hm |
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| 14:47.29 | jennie | hi |
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| 14:48.04 | C00re | Hi |
| 14:48.05 | musca | hi |
| 14:48.14 | Rackmount | 'lo |
| 14:48.15 | cstdio | C00re: does it in my system too, lol |
| 14:48.21 | C00re | nice :D |
| 14:49.13 | Rackmount | yup. same here. |
| 14:49.20 | Rackmount | ctrl-C gets you out of it though :) |
| 14:49.28 | cstdio | You can delete the Debian out text too lol |
| 14:49.38 | C00re | :D |
| 14:49.46 | Rackmount | "Yay, I can craft a custom login without admin privs!!!' |
| 14:50.00 | cstdio | Lol |
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| 14:54.42 | nick797 | hi guys, I installed vnc4server and it all works, but it uses gnome - how do I make it use xfce4 with my default config? I changed /home/username/xstartup to do xfcedesktop instead of /etc/X11/Xsession but this gives me a gimped xfce session with no menu bars |
| 14:55.47 | Rackmount | perhaps xfcce4wm? |
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| 14:56.04 | Rackmount | xfce4wm rather |
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| 14:56.41 | nick797 | command not found :( |
| 14:56.46 | Rackmount | xfwm4 is actually what I'm driving at. :P |
| 14:56.58 | Rackmount | Haven't used Xfce in quite a while. |
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| 14:57.55 | nick797 | it doesn't seem to work unfortunately |
| 14:58.28 | babilen | Wasn't it something like "startxfce4" or so? Lets see ... |
| 14:58.54 | nick797 | yes! |
| 14:58.56 | nick797 | that works |
| 14:59.00 | nick797 | thank you sir |
| 14:59.31 | babilen | hehe, lucky guess ;) |
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| 15:01.00 | nick797 | lol |
| 15:01.16 | nick797 | is there any way to run a whole xfce session through x over ssh? |
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| 15:02.25 | Rackmount | I guess that would depend if Xfce itself could be exported over the network as an X client. My guess is no, but I could be wrong. |
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| 15:02.56 | nick797 | I guess i'm too lazy to try before i ask |
| 15:03.01 | nick797 | i just tried it and it works |
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| 15:03.22 | Rackmount | really, the entire desktop? |
| 15:03.55 | ezra-s | nick797, you need to access that through a display manager, such as gdm |
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| 15:04.12 | ezra-s | but display managers by default don't have tcp access enabled |
| 15:04.29 | nick797 | it does behave kinda weirdly on my windows/xming setup, it gives the menu bar a separate window |
| 15:05.07 | nick797 | what's the default window manager in debian wheezy @ ezra-s ? |
| 15:05.13 | nick797 | gdm says command not found |
| 15:05.37 | ezra-s | nick797, gdm is not a command you run, gdm runs in the server you want to connect to the desktop |
| 15:05.52 | nick797 | oh |
| 15:05.52 | Rackmount | if you mean for a vanilla install, wheezy installs GNOME 3.0, but you can opt for KDE or Xfce as default on initial install. |
| 15:06.36 | Rackmount | nick797: the reason your session is behaving strangely is likely because the desktop environment is not exported, only the window manager itself. |
| 15:06.36 | ezra-s | nick797, gdm= the screen you get that asks you user and password before you enter your DE |
| 15:08.02 | ezra-s | I suggest you google it a bit |
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| 15:08.54 | nick797 | i know ezra-s |
| 15:09.09 | nick797 | i thought you meant i should stream gdm over X over ssh instead of xfce |
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| 15:10.19 | ezra-s | nick797, probably you also need to do "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" in the server you are connecting to allow "anybody" instead of just "console" users |
| 15:10.36 | darsie | avrdude: can't open device "/dev/parport0": No such file or directory |
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| 15:11.30 | nick797 | you guys should see this stuff, it's the weirdest: http://94.209.145.153/weird.jpg |
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| 15:11.58 | nick797 | ezra-s: I see |
| 15:12.13 | nick797 | ezra-s: but isn't there a command to start the logon prompt from the command line? |
| 15:12.32 | ezra-s | nick797, also /etc/X11/xinit/xserverc is setup with something like "exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@" |
| 15:12.44 | ezra-s | that needs to be changed so it listens in a tcp port |
| 15:13.05 | ezra-s | nick797, command-line != X |
| 15:13.32 | nick797 | ezra-s: I don't suppose this would work from a windows machine |
| 15:13.42 | nick797 | nick797: since windows doesn't run gdm |
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| 15:13.46 | nick797 | I mean ezra-s * |
| 15:14.00 | ezra-s | my guess you need to be in another display manager to connect to a different display manager too, but it's been ages since I touched or saw anything like this because it is not common, so I can't tell you precisely |
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| 15:14.35 | nick797 | why is it not common? i think it's a cool setup |
| 15:15.01 | ezra-s | nick797, it was believed to be very insecure |
| 15:15.12 | ezra-s | that's why X be default does not listen on tcp |
| 15:15.12 | nick797 | ezra-s: well in that case :D |
| 15:15.22 | ezra-s | s/be/by/ |
| 15:15.49 | nick797 | ezra-s: what if there were some wrapper app that runs a session in a session, if you will |
| 15:15.54 | ezra-s | don't know knowadays how insecure it is |
| 15:16.09 | nick797 | ezra-s: like the same way you run firefox over x-ssh, you just run the whole xfce thing |
| 15:16.25 | ezra-s | nick797, what I do to run a certain app in a remote server is make sure the remote server has xauth installed and run a ssh with -X to that server |
| 15:16.31 | ezra-s | then every app I run will open in my display |
| 15:16.41 | ezra-s | the whole desktop is another thing |
| 15:16.54 | Swede73 | whats a good keyboard layout switcher app |
| 15:17.04 | ezra-s | most people do fine with the option I just mentioned and its much more secure since it goes through ssh |
| 15:17.16 | nick797 | uhu |
| 15:17.20 | nick797 | ok |
| 15:17.31 | nick797 | Swede73: can't use the ctrl shift shortkey? |
| 15:17.31 | ezra-s | xauth is much better because you don't really need to have X running in the destination server |
| 15:17.36 | nick797 | Swede73: hold it for a while |
| 15:17.48 | ezra-s | nick797, for instance, those damn graphical oracle installations |
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| 15:18.01 | ezra-s | we are not going to install X in a production server |
| 15:18.16 | ezra-s | so we install xauth, then we do ssh -X server |
| 15:18.17 | queso | I'm on wheezy. How do I get php -a (aka, the php cli interpreter) to work? |
| 15:18.30 | ezra-s | and then cd /path/to/oi-installation/bin and run it |
| 15:18.30 | Swede73 | nick797: Does that work in wheezy |
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| 15:19.40 | darsie | avrdude: can't open device "/dev/parport0": No such file or directory. Should I put ppdev in /etc/modules? |
| 15:20.19 | nick797 | queso: it's prolly in /usr/bin/php? |
| 15:20.28 | nick797 | Swede73: I dunno |
| 15:21.14 | queso | nick797: The problem is it doesn't give me a prompt. |
| 15:21.57 | nick797 | queso: well then I don't know |
| 15:22.02 | nick797 | queso: I'm not so experienced |
| 15:22.10 | queso | nick797: Okay, thanks. :) |
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| 15:22.34 | nick797 | lol there's a ton of people that downloaded my weird.jpg... someone even bothered to wget it :D |
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| 15:23.01 | Swede73 | nick797: it was under options in keyboard layout |
| 15:23.14 | nick797 | Swede73: ok nice |
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| 15:29.17 | jhutchins | I think somebody was looking for xdmcp earlier, and yes, if you run an xserver on windows you can use it as a terminal to an xwindows session on a *nix box. |
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| 15:37.31 | drhouse123 | hi! what happened with backports ? i got 'W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.15.34 80]' |
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| 15:37.55 | drhouse123 | i did aptitude update |
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| 15:39.16 | jhutchins | !bdo |
| 15:39.16 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 15:40.19 | Rydekull | drhouse123: http://backports.debian.org/news/Backports_integrated_into_the_main_archive/ |
| 15:43.26 | drhouse123 | Rydekull: thanks |
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| 15:44.04 | Rydekull | that factoid should be changed, speaking of which |
| 15:44.33 | Rydekull | Hmm, or maybe |
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| 15:50.08 | oliv3r | Hi, I've been searching for about an hour, in which time i could have setup a build enviroment, but are there any 64bit radeon UVD mesa packages? I saw a bug report that suggest it's all well and done, but haven't found a .deb for it yet. Anybody know of a .deb? |
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| 15:54.59 | mumpitzel | oliv3r: where did you look? |
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| 16:01.01 | atno | hi everyone |
| 16:01.27 | atno | is there any way to have windows snap on screen edge on wheezy? |
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| 16:02.20 | gusnan | atno, what window manager do you use? |
| 16:02.25 | atno | gusnan: Gnome Shell |
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| 16:03.05 | posterdati300 | hi |
| 16:03.27 | gusnan | atno, Thanks, unfortunately thats not what I use, so I cannot help, but I am sure someone using that will be able to help you. |
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| 16:03.48 | atno | gusnan: what do you use ? XFCE? |
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| 16:03.56 | posterdati300 | please help, I lost my filesystem running fsck, now my system is not bootable, I'm trying to recover using the netinst cd and lost+found entries |
| 16:04.05 | posterdati300 | could onyone help me please? |
| 16:04.22 | atno | anyone using gnome shell knows how to have the windows snapping on the edge of the screen, i cant find a way to install compiz on Wheezy |
| 16:04.30 | gusnan | atno, yes, Xfce. - How did you know that? :) |
| 16:04.50 | Rydekull | Start by telling us more specific what you've done so far posterdati300, I suggest writing it down on paste.debian.net, explaining your situation and how your system looks like |
| 16:05.00 | atno | gusnan: it's either gnome or xfce, kde is not even an option :P (no, not trying to start a flame war) |
| 16:05.08 | posterdati300 | debootstrap fail during base-files and base-password installation |
| 16:05.10 | gusnan | atno, haha :) |
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| 16:05.37 | wm4 | where do I get libvdpau_nouveau.so? |
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| 16:05.47 | wm4 | other distros package this, but I can't find it on Debian unstable |
| 16:06.21 | gusnan | wm4, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages - enter the filename you search for in the search box "Search in package contents". |
| 16:06.52 | wm4 | gusnan: doesn't find anything |
| 16:08.09 | posterdati300 | any help? |
| 16:08.11 | wm4 | I can find mails from back in 2012 that complain about this |
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| 16:10.21 | wm4 | does anybody know a package repo that contains useable mesa packages? |
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| 16:12.58 | atno | anyone using gnome shell knows how to have the windows snapping on the edge of the screen, i cant find a way to install compiz on Wheezy |
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| 16:13.44 | Mgelius | anyone know where to get cd images with non-free firmware? these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ don't have them dunno why |
| 16:14.22 | Brigo | posterdati300: do you have backups? |
| 16:14.32 | posterdati300 | no |
| 16:14.53 | posterdati300 | filesystem is accessable under /target |
| 16:14.56 | jhutchins | wm4: Is it maybe part of the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 16:14.56 | Brigo | what about the disk? are yet usefull? |
| 16:15.03 | wm4 | jhutchins: no |
| 16:15.12 | wm4 | jhutchins: it's part of the mesa open source drivers |
| 16:15.18 | Brigo | posterdati300: but it do not boot. |
| 16:15.18 | wm4 | and other distros package it, but debian does not |
| 16:15.31 | wm4 | what a horrible distro, not sure why I even bother with this anymore |
| 16:15.38 | posterdati300 | Brigo: because fsck deleted lib dir and other |
| 16:16.03 | posterdati300 | Brigo it is all in lost+found now |
| 16:16.05 | Brigo | posterdati300: so you must reisntall |
| 16:16.13 | Brigo | reinstall* |
| 16:16.24 | wm4 | it took many months for mesa 9.x and now it's not even complete |
| 16:16.24 | posterdati300 | Brigo: yes, without erase partition |
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| 16:16.42 | posterdati300 | Brigo: but installer stopped at base-files and base-password package |
| 16:16.46 | Brigo | or copy the interesting data out of the disk. to a usb disk or so. |
| 16:17.05 | Brigo | posterdati300: may be the disk is failing |
| 16:17.13 | posterdati300 | Brigo: no |
| 16:17.20 | posterdati300 | Brigo: no errors from it |
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| 16:17.35 | posterdati300 | Brigo: it's a mirror |
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| 16:17.42 | Brigo | the lost+found archives are not errors from disk? |
| 16:18.46 | posterdati300 | no, mirror is fine, no read/write error |
| 16:18.54 | Mgelius | debian-installer will display a dialog offering to load the missing firmware - how to make this happen? |
| 16:19.05 | Rydekull | http://blog.cmpxchg8b.com/2013/08/security-debianisms.html |
| 16:19.10 | Brigo | so where the errors come from? |
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| 16:19.35 | posterdati300 | Brigo: don't know, I was playing with vm sysctl parameters |
| 16:19.43 | Brigo | ok |
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| 16:20.07 | posterdati300 | now I downloaded the last netinst from debian.org mirror |
| 16:20.14 | Brigo | so, you know you lost data and you must have a backup before, ok? |
| 16:20.15 | posterdati300 | but it won't work |
| 16:20.36 | Brigo | now your problem is reinstall. |
| 16:20.49 | posterdati300 | yes |
| 16:21.09 | Brigo | ok and the install stops and tell you something about why? |
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| 16:21.31 | posterdati300 | base-files and base-password |
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| 16:21.40 | posterdati300 | Brigo: see console 4 |
| 16:21.53 | posterdati300 | Brigo: debootstrap: missing architecture |
| 16:22.28 | Brigo | may be you get the wrong netinstall? |
| 16:22.44 | Brigo | and you installing for in a i386 machine? |
| 16:22.53 | posterdati300 | amd64 |
| 16:23.14 | posterdati300 | with an amd64 netinst |
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| 16:23.48 | Brigo | stable? |
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| 16:24.12 | posterdati300 | yes |
| 16:24.21 | atno | anyone using gnome shell knows how to have the windows snapping on the edge of the screen, i cant find a way to install compiz on Wheezy |
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| 16:25.27 | Brigo | posterdati300: somethin like this?: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 48 package 'dpkg': missing architecture |
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| 16:26.01 | mtn | atno: super key and left or right arrow or move them to edge and they will snap to edge |
| 16:26.29 | Brigo | posterdati300: what filesystem are you using? |
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| 16:27.03 | posterdati300 | Brigo: yes, I tried dpkg -i base-files and it gave to me syntax error unknown user 'root' |
| 16:27.13 | posterdati300 | Brigo: ext4 |
| 16:27.15 | atno | mtn: doesn't works for me and i havent installed any extensions |
| 16:27.52 | atno | mtn: S-key and up/down is min/max the window tho |
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| 16:28.20 | Brigo | posterdati300: Is dificult to know what is happen for me without all the error output ... |
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| 16:30.21 | jhutchins | posterdati300: boot from a live/rescue image and chroot or use debbootstrap |
| 16:30.23 | mtn | atno: hmm, not in gnome at the moment, but it worked out of the box for me. no extensions needed. |
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| 16:32.30 | posterdati300 | jhutchins: I'm using a netinst to recover... |
| 16:32.39 | Brigo | posterdati300: usually this kind of errors are from broken package. You can try to donwload another image of netinstall and try with that. |
| 16:33.28 | posterdati300 | :( |
| 16:33.54 | Brigo | posterdati300: if you are doing a chroot to install the problem may be a corrupted data in the dpkg database. |
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| 16:37.03 | posterdati300 | Brigo: cannot change te root passwd |
| 16:37.32 | Brigo | posterdati300: may be the filesystem is readonly |
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| 16:40.03 | posterdati300 | Brigo: no |
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| 16:40.21 | Brigo | sorry, i must go. Good luck. :-) |
| 16:40.28 | posterdati300 | tx |
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| 16:42.58 | aguitel | how to enable behavior to open with single click desktop icons ? |
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| 16:54.40 | Twinkletoes | I've just plugged an external esata dock into a machine running Wheezy. How do I Get it to detect the devices... or does it have to be done from a cold boot? |
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| 16:54.53 | OMG | hello |
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| 16:57.12 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: do you see anything in 'dmesg | tail' after you plug it in that says the kernel sees the device? |
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| 16:57.30 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: No |
| 16:57.41 | somiaj | aguitel: that would be dependent on your desktop/wm, and some may not have that feature |
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| 16:57.49 | somiaj | aguitel: if you use gnome, look up how to do that in gnome |
| 16:57.53 | Twinkletoes | I thought dmesg was jsut for boot, pre syslog starting up... does stuff get put in there all the time then? |
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| 16:58.24 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: yes dmesg contains all recent messages about the kernel. I use it all the time to see what my usb drives get detected as (I don't auto mount) |
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| 16:58.58 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: Ah, ok thanks. Still, nothing in there so I suspect sata (or eSata) aren't hot-swappable? |
| 16:59.05 | Twinkletoes | hot-plug I mean |
| 16:59.15 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: if you don't see anything in dmesg that means the kernel does not detect the device at all, not sure if it is a module issue or support (never used the esata on my machine) |
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| 16:59.26 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: Thank you :) |
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| 17:01.37 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: eSata is hot swappable, just not sure on support. I saw some google hits, but don't have the time right now |
| 17:01.48 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 17:02.18 | koollman | considering sata hotswap works, I don't see why esata hotswap would not work |
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| 17:06.19 | mumpitzel | Twinkletoes: are you using ahci for sata? |
| 17:06.23 | Twinkletoes | Does the kernel say if it detects a SATA port on teh board? |
| 17:06.43 | Twinkletoes | Actually... I'm jsut thinking.... I may have diabled it, because my test machine runs off a usb stick only |
| 17:06.45 | Twinkletoes | LOL - let me check |
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| 17:13.07 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | hi! how can one configure keybindings in bash? (netbook, pgup/pgdown needs fn modifier, working fine in vi, doesnt in shell) |
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| 17:14.08 | Twinkletoes_ | Sorry - lost my nectowrk conenction.... |
| 17:14.15 | Twinkletoes_ | Yes, I'd disabled SATA in the BIOS - DUH!! |
| 17:14.24 | Twinkletoes_ | I can now see a drive - thank you :) |
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| 17:14.54 | Twinkletoes_ | the quickest way to wipe a disk (doesn't have to be too secure)... dd? |
| 17:15.41 | Twinkletoes_ | I always seem to struggle with now to get the correct block size to get dd to work fastest... is there a way to auto-test it or do you just have to try different values then see what the results are? |
| 17:15.49 | aguitel | somiaj, is xfce4 |
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| 17:16.09 | ezra-s | Twinkletoes_, "dd count=1 bs=512 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx" to wipe a disk |
| 17:16.30 | Twinkletoes_ | ezra-s: blocksize 512 - is the fastest? |
| 17:16.40 | ezra-s | Twinkletoes_, I don't know, "time" them |
| 17:16.47 | ezra-s | time command |
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| 17:16.51 | ezra-s | time comman2 |
| 17:17.40 | zinx | 256 or so tends to be the fastest |
| 17:17.44 | zinx | 256k that is |
| 17:17.59 | zinx | for some larger flash memory you may need 512k or more |
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| 17:18.43 | zinx | if you just want to erase flash though, you should use one of the erasers that mark the blocks free |
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| 17:19.24 | OMG | then again is Linux more secure taking into account that the Linux Foundation, its funding, and board of directors are controlled by companies like Intel, IBM, HP... etc |
| 17:20.05 | ezra-s | OMG, you assume too much as true in that statement |
| 17:21.01 | OMG | ezra-s, nice name, have you heard of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY |
| 17:21.08 | patterson | Buffer overflows have no respect for their corporate overlorads |
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| 17:22.04 | sett | hello, i get "unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw" error when doing netinst so it fails to configure network card, any advice? |
| 17:22.22 | jhutchins | !rirmware installer |
| 17:22.25 | ezra-s | OMG, we are on #debian, that has nothing to do with #debian |
| 17:22.25 | OMG | and we were just talking about Intel's remote access to all Intel vPro CPU computers even if the computer is powered down, even encryption is questionable since it is stored on the CPU's protected memory |
| 17:22.27 | jhutchins | !firmware installer |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 17:22.46 | jhutchins | OMG: That's really not on-topic for this channel. |
| 17:22.47 | ezra-s | OMG, you may want to ask in #security |
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| 17:23.55 | Sonderblade | where can you get help for debian packaging? im trying to understand what the lintian error extra-license-file means. |
| 17:23.58 | sett | jhutchins debian installer does not ask me for firmware location... tried it |
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| 17:24.49 | sioux_ | !apt |
| 17:24.49 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
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| 17:26.29 | sioux_ | need i change source.list when i install with netinstall ? |
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| 17:31.57 | jhutchins | sett: The correct tag for dpkg's factoid is the extent of my knowledge about installer firmware. |
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| 17:32.32 | jhutchins | sioux_: I believe it does basic configuration which will get you at least main and possibly security. |
| 17:33.00 | Twinkletoes | dd seems to work best with 4k. Anything upwards of that makes not much difference |
| 17:34.03 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: Or you can just let it default. |
| 17:34.13 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: odesn't it default to 512bytes? |
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| 17:34.35 | Twinkletoes | ...which is 1/4 of the speed of what I Get when I use 4k |
| 17:34.58 | oo_miguel | So, I want to use my debian system as a router. Where would be the best point to start to learn how to do that? Any sugggestions? |
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| 17:37.30 | twostone | best place to start is probably to build a couple test boxes from scratch and read a lot about networking and security. Especially, how to configure iptables. |
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| 17:38.20 | oo_miguel | ok so ill go for iptables first |
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| 17:38.50 | twostone | Ever used a *nix before, or is is your first? |
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| 17:39.10 | twostone | And how familiar are you with a shell? |
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| 17:39.43 | oo_miguel | im use the shell on a daily basis however im still a noob ;) |
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| 17:39.54 | oo_miguel | also I work with debian on a daily basis |
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| 17:40.14 | oo_miguel | just wanted to play around with routing, since i have two wlan routers and my desktop has 2 eth interfaces |
| 17:40.15 | twostone | If you want an easy start, you could probably try out something ready-made like ipfire or m0n0wall, both are not too bad and easy to configure. |
| 17:40.44 | twostone | So you're thinking more in the way of an ethernet bridge? |
| 17:41.13 | oo_miguel | this might be the proper term yes :) |
| 17:41.42 | oo_miguel | and I just want to set it up on my debian. not a completely new distro |
| 17:42.12 | oo_miguel | I guess I have to go for the iptables |
| 17:42.47 | twostone | Well, a bridge is quite easy to setup, and yes, you'd have to get to know iptables and probably dnsmasqd. |
| 17:43.15 | oo_miguel | i think NAT is what i need to |
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| 17:44.10 | twostone | give me a couple seconds, and I'll give you a simple line for your rc.local, which will create the bridge for you, all you have to do then, is configure your DNS forwarder. |
| 17:44.12 | oo_miguel | the debian wiki states that there are many config tools (wizards) to assist me in configuring iptables. Ill try some of them for a start |
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| 17:44.48 | oo_miguel | wow thx |
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| 17:45.42 | oo_miguel | I prefer the simple lines, over some configuration wizards ;) |
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| 17:48.08 | xavier23 | ok, so i ``chmod -R`` a directory 775, add new user to same group as directory owner, but i get 'permission denied' when creating a file in the directory. |
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| 17:48.22 | xavier23 | confused |
| 17:48.41 | twostone | iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i eth1 -s ${YOUR_local_SUBNET}/24 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 17:48.41 | twostone | iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 17:48.41 | twostone | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:48.41 | twostone | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 17:49.23 | twostone | dammit. four lines, and you get kicked. |
| 17:49.43 | oo_miguel | twostone: haha, but there was nothing more after the sysctl? |
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| 17:50.08 | twostone | no. This will route requests from eth1 to eth0. |
| 17:50.11 | oo_miguel | you assumed eth0 is the internet connection , and eth1 is the local router right? |
| 17:50.19 | twostone | exactly. |
| 17:50.27 | oo_miguel | local_subnet is the subnet eth1 is in right? |
| 17:50.42 | twostone | yep. |
| 17:50.48 | oo_miguel | brilliant, thanks a thousand! |
| 17:50.52 | oo_miguel | i ll try this now! |
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| 17:51.23 | twostone | remember to setup dnsmasqd in forwarding mode, otherwise, you'll have no name resolution. |
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| 17:52.24 | twostone | xavier: chmod -R 0775. |
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| 17:54.34 | oo_miguel | twostone: it works perfectly! Now i just need dns ;) |
| 17:54.56 | oo_miguel | what did you mean by "setup dnsmasq" ? thats what line #3 does, right? |
| 17:54.57 | twostone | told you: dnsmasq. |
| 17:55.06 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 17:55.09 | oo_miguel | sorry |
| 17:55.21 | xavier23 | twostone: thanks doesn't fix it though |
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| 17:55.31 | oo_miguel | twostone: thank you very very much |
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| 17:55.35 | twostone | apt-get install dnsmasq. |
| 17:56.01 | twostone | then, edit the dnsmasq config. Or tell me about your network, and you'll get a config. |
| 17:56.04 | JohnDavis | 76 |
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| 17:56.45 | twostone | 42 |
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| 17:57.21 | JohnDavis | sorry :) |
| 17:57.41 | twostone | no harm done. |
| 17:57.49 | oo_miguel | twostone: I wonder if I can just use the same dns servers on the other machines as I use on my "router" (the pc we just set up) |
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| 17:57.53 | oo_miguel | I am just trying this |
| 17:58.20 | twostone | the easiest way would be to use dnsmasq as a DNS-forwarder. |
| 17:58.44 | twostone | To do this, it just takes about four or five lines in /etc/dnsmasq.conf. |
| 17:58.55 | oo_miguel | twostone: my approach works too :P |
| 17:59.03 | oo_miguel | its enough for my use-case |
| 17:59.12 | oo_miguel | however I agree that dnsmasq would be more elegant |
| 17:59.33 | mms_ | I have installed debian 6 and I do not see gnome extensions. how do I install them ? I have tried extracting the zip file for extension in ./local/share/gnome-shell/extensions but in advanced settings / shell extensions its all empty |
| 17:59.47 | twostone | it will also give you a DHCP-Server apart from DNS-forwarding, with just a few lines. |
| 17:59.49 | oo_miguel | thanks a lot twostone! you saved my hours of researching |
| 18:00.10 | twostone | You don't use apt a lot, do you? |
| 18:00.20 | oo_miguel | i will play with dnsmasq later. now I want to experiment with traffic monitoring (wireshark) |
| 18:00.30 | oo_miguel | twostone: I use it quite a lot |
| 18:00.42 | twostone | ah, sorry, that was intended for mms_. |
| 18:01.24 | oo_miguel | hehe , nevermind |
| 18:01.24 | twostone | @mms_: gnome-extensions are most easily used in conjunction with the gnome-tweak-tool. |
| 18:01.53 | mms_ | twostone: gnome-tweak-tool is installed and its same as advanced settings |
| 18:02.30 | aguitel | how install xfce 4.10 in wjeezy ? |
| 18:02.37 | mms_ | even 32 bit mozilla did not work. I had to install 64 bit. |
| 18:03.27 | twostone | @mms_: Do you have to do it the hard way? |
| 18:03.40 | mms_ | twostone: sorry did not get you |
| 18:04.03 | mms_ | twostone: I do not know how to get gnome extensions installed |
| 18:04.20 | mms_ | I have tried what I could understand reading |
| 18:04.28 | twostone | Well, why do you worry about whether to install mozilla 32bit od 64bit variant. Let Apt do the trick, it is a lot easier. |
| 18:04.49 | mms_ | twostone: apt did not give me mozilla / firefox option |
| 18:05.02 | mms_ | twostone: I did apt-cache search |
| 18:05.17 | mms_ | it did not find the package |
| 18:05.25 | mms_ | I am on amd64 |
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| 18:06.15 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 18:06.45 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 18:06.45 | twostone | This might clear things up a bit: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:08.09 | twostone | @mms_: Did you install gnome-shell-extensions? |
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| 18:08.51 | boblee | I stands for Inter-Domain |
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| 18:10.31 | mms_ | twostone: its alread installed |
| 18:11.02 | twostone | And you're using squeeze/stable? |
| 18:11.40 | mms_ | wheezy |
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| 18:11.58 | mms_ | Linux pinky 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86Linux pinky 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:12.32 | twostone | ah, my bad. Wheezy IS the new stable. Anyway, Did you install gnome and gnome-shell-extensions using apt, or did you do it the old-fashioned way? |
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| 18:12.58 | ezra-s | jhutchins, so ubuntu asks for firefox permission to use the trademark/logo in every update? |
| 18:13.05 | mms_ | twostone: its pre-installed |
| 18:13.08 | drhouse123 | i installed libreoffice from wheezy-backports and it have too big fonts on menu |
| 18:13.30 | twostone | funny, should work then. Open the gnome-tweak-tool. |
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| 18:14.19 | twostone | select "shell extensions", does it show anything? |
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| 18:16.17 | jhutchins | ezra-s: How would we know what ubuntu does? |
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| 18:16.46 | jhutchins | ezra-s: They have licensing agreements to distribute non-free software from what I've heard. |
| 18:16.55 | twostone | @mms_: Did you install some gnome extensions using https://extensions.gnome.org/ ? are they listed there? |
| 18:17.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. What key am I supposed to use for checking SHA256SUMS's signature? |
| 18:17.36 | ezra-s | jhutchins, just curious, trying to understand all these licensing issues. |
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| 18:18.18 | twostone | ezra: Don't try to understand, these things, you'll have to take on faith. |
| 18:18.23 | atno | anyone using gnome shell knows how to have the windows snapping on the edge of the screen, i cant find a way to install compiz on Wheezy |
| 18:18.42 | ezra-s | twobitsprite, hehehe, I believe you |
| 18:18.45 | twostone | It's supposed to be too complicated to understand, so that lawyres could make big bucks with it. |
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| 18:19.18 | ezra-s | twostone, sorry, I was talking to you, nick completion failed me :P |
| 18:19.39 | jhutchins | ezra-s: Ubuntu's less carefull about the free software issue. It's possible to build a Debian system that meets the GNU FSG rules, but we make it easy enough to install non-free software that GNU does not list us a "Free". |
| 18:19.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | I seem to have both keys from https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 18:20.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | It wants DA87E80D6294BE9B for some reason. |
| 18:20.17 | twostone | azra: nevermind, most of these days, even I can't make up my mind about who I might be. |
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| 18:20.34 | ezra-s | jhutchins, I see, thx for explaining |
| 18:20.39 | ezra-s | visits gnu site.. |
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| 18:21.22 | mms_ | twostone: I went to that site and do not know how to install. I do not see any install button so tried to do manual install by downloading zip from git and putting it in file sytem |
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| 18:21.36 | mms_ | ia32-libs-i386 how to install it on debian 6 ? |
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| 18:21.49 | AliceLiddell | I was looking around and I can't find it anywhere but can anyone help me overclock my nvidia NVS 140m (underclock) to prevent it from dying too soon? |
| 18:21.57 | tuxIO | Hi |
| 18:22.14 | tuxIO | Is this channel the right one for discussing issues related to the Debian Installer / netboot / netinst ? |
| 18:22.33 | AliceLiddell | I have to ask, I hate too though |
| 18:23.08 | jelly-home | tuxIO: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net is specific to the installer, but you can ask here as well |
| 18:23.34 | twostone | mms_: All you'd usually have to do at extensions.gnome.org ist select an extension, slide the slider in the on-position (I hate this scripts) and if you happen to have the browser-gnome-integration thigie installed, it should open a pop-up-window asking you whether to install the extension or cancel. Once it is installed, it should be accessible via the gnome-tweak-tool as well. |
| 18:23.55 | ezra-s | not many distributions listed in gnu site |
| 18:23.59 | ezra-s | strange, I used to remember Debian of old as Debian/GNU Linux |
| 18:24.10 | twostone | ezra: still is. |
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| 18:25.03 | ezra-s | twostone, you're right, licensing is something a normal person does not want to get into, can get you dizzy easily |
| 18:25.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, I found http://www.debian.org/CD/verify but I'm unsure where I can get those keys safely (e.g. https) or check them. Are they signed by archive keys? |
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| 18:27.15 | twostone | @mms_: Have you installed this in your firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gnome-integration/ |
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| 18:27.49 | mms_ | twostone: I do not see any slider when I open it in chrome / firefox |
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| 18:30.16 | twostone | @mms_: You might be missing the gnome-integration-plugin in your browser, no? |
| 18:30.24 | twostone | Or maybe, you're blocking scripts. |
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| 18:31.50 | mms_ | twostone: let me check for chrome |
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| 18:34.00 | RayzrShrp | greetings |
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| 18:35.10 | RayzrShrp | happy Friday everyone |
| 18:35.19 | oliv3r | happy friday it is :) |
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| 18:36.12 | twostone | what's it with the intel_pstates anyway? my xeon runs slightly cooler with it, but so far, I can't control clock speeds, or have I missed something? |
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| 18:36.37 | oliv3r | mumpitzel: sorry for being afk, dinner was up ;) but where did I look, i couldn't find it in my repositories (i'm running sid with the multimedia repo, i googled for it, but having a hard time figuring out if vdpau is enabled in the current sid builds allready, it appears to be not so |
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| 18:38.29 | twostone | oliv3r: vdpau IS available in default repos. |
| 18:39.33 | twostone | isn't deb-multimedia repo dead? I seem to remember something about the domain being re-registered to someone else. |
| 18:39.48 | mms_ | twostone: gnome-shell-integration plugin ins installed in firefox |
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| 18:40.51 | twostone | @mms_: then you should be able to see a slider at extensions.gnome.org, once you have selected an extension, unless you're blocking scripts per default. Or maybe it is your java... |
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| 18:45.51 | mms_ | twostone: openjdk by default install nothing else |
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| 18:49.12 | twostone | @mms_: You may need some flash-plugin as well, but I'm not quite sure. I haven't used that site in a while and I'm not even on gnome atm, so I might be slightly out of touch here. I just remember the way things used to be. |
| 18:49.16 | oliv3r | twostone: yeah it's a new domain now |
| 18:49.23 | oliv3r | twostone: what are the tell tales of vdpau |
| 18:49.27 | oliv3r | (for amd) |
| 18:49.51 | twostone | oliv3r: vdpau is rather something that nvidia cooked up. |
| 18:50.43 | dizzylizzy_ | ezra-s, I agree, I got into the GNU/libre crowd, that's how I got this nick |
| 18:50.58 | ezra-s | dizzylizzy_, lol |
| 18:51.25 | oliv3r | twostone: radeon now does vdpau (opensource) too |
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| 18:52.30 | twostone | oliv3r: then, I don't know jack sh*t about it. Last I knew, the radeons used something else taking advantage of OpenCL rather than CUDA. |
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| 18:53.12 | oliv3r | the fgrlx drivers do XVBA or something like that |
| 18:53.12 | oliv3r | but the opensource radeon drivers do vdpau since about 3 months now |
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| 18:55.03 | twostone | Ah, radeon_ucode. |
| 18:55.25 | oliv3r | that's the new vdpau firmware for radeons yeah :) |
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| 18:56.31 | twostone | from what I'm reading though, there's hardly any change that it'll make its way into jessie at the moment. |
| 18:56.54 | twostone | It still conflicts with the debian way of doing things. |
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| 18:59.10 | rryoumaa | what will jessie have? |
| 18:59.21 | rryoumaa | how will it differ from wheezy? |
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| 19:00.55 | twostone | @rryoumaa: Jessie will be just as easy to use and user-friendly as wheezy was, just slightly newer. Why don't you enable sid repos in your sources.list and find out day by day, as jessie emerges? |
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| 19:01.53 | oliv3r | twostone: well a .deb would be ok for now, otherwise i'll just have to compile my own pkg |
| 19:02.06 | oliv3r | i'm on sid atm |
| 19:02.17 | rryoumaa | twostone: :) i was looking for things like "we think we'll have a ... package system and a ... init system and we're going to switch to ... desktop and we will deprecate ... and we like ... filesystem" |
| 19:02.27 | Shtl | hello all, i am using lm-sensors to see the processor temperature, my processor is intel core i3, and when i run lm-sensors i see http://pastebin.com/tqBmFPjR, not getting where virtual device is from and it is not showing core 1 temp, can any one help me? |
| 19:02.31 | rryoumaa | like, changes to apt, etc. |
| 19:02.49 | oliv3r | twostone: the bug report i foudn was this one: Bug#656719 |
| 19:03.12 | oliv3r | Shtl: probably 1 sensor per 'socket' |
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| 19:03.26 | twostone | @oliv3r: You might try ubuntu repos, there are a few that have patched mesas and kernels. However, I probably can't help you there since I'm not using a radeon and do not have any experience with enabling UVD on firegl. |
| 19:03.45 | oliv3r | Shtl: well per socket i ment per core, cpu1 is probably the hyperthreaded core 1 of cpu0 |
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| 19:04.45 | oliv3r | twostone: well it's the opensource r600g driver; but yeah was looking at the ubuntu debs, but some require the xorg-edgers stuff as dependancy |
| 19:04.45 | oliv3r | twostone: not quite sure how that would work out |
| 19:04.45 | oliv3r | building it myself probably is more sane ;) |
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| 19:04.53 | twostone | You'd still need to patch mesa, though. |
| 19:05.01 | Shtl | ok |
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| 19:05.23 | Shtl | oliv3r: but what is virtual adapter? |
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| 19:05.29 | twostone | @oliv3r: mesa patch could be found here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2013-April/037049.html |
| 19:05.52 | Shtl | i mean virtual device |
| 19:06.41 | twostone | @Shtl: are you using an Intel or an AMD CPU? |
| 19:06.48 | oliv3r | twostone: the kernel I allready have, needed a custom one anyway, so i'd have to rebuild mesa |
| 19:07.03 | oliv3r | ill just use the bugreport as to what i need to patch in; though mesa git is probably best |
| 19:07.22 | oliv3r | Shtl: sounds like something by acpi |
| 19:07.42 | oliv3r | Shtl: ACPI Thermal Zone is my guess |
| 19:07.53 | Shtl | ok |
| 19:08.08 | Shtl | twostone: /cmd infobash -v |
| 19:08.21 | Shtl | its intel core i3 |
| 19:08.45 | twostone | @Shtl: sry, had missed it. Is the coretemp-module loaded? |
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| 19:09.16 | Shtl | twostone: let me check |
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| 19:09.31 | twostone | @Shtl: lsmod |grep coretemp |
| 19:09.54 | twostone | @Shtl: Also, have you run "sensors-detect"? |
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| 19:12.25 | Shtl | coretemp is loaded |
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| 19:13.01 | Shtl | twostone: i have also run sensors-detect |
| 19:14.14 | twostone | @Shtl: What exactly is your output of 'sensors'? |
| 19:15.15 | Shtl | twostone: http://pastebin.com/mxEs65Up |
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| 19:16.06 | twostone | @Shtl: hm, your I3, is it a dual core, perchance? |
| 19:16.44 | oliv3r | twostone: ok what's easier, i'm not familiar with debian package creation; but can build stuff frmo git just fine; should I download this stuff http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2013/06/msg00111.html and try building a package? everything should be there afaik |
| 19:17.21 | AbigailBuccaneer | I have a small Debian server that several people have shell access via SSH to. Occasionally I'd like to send a small piece of news to them that will appear when they log on. |
| 19:17.32 | Shtl | twostone: http://pastebin.com/ZEChXmv7 |
| 19:17.41 | oliv3r | AbigailBuccaneer: like MOTD? (Message of the day?) |
| 19:17.55 | AbigailBuccaneer | oliv3r, yes, but ideally it can be marked as read and then not show up |
| 19:18.02 | AbigailBuccaneer | Is there a package to do such a thing, or should I simply throw together some shell scripts? |
| 19:18.17 | oliv3r | AbigailBuccaneer: that i don't know :p |
| 19:18.35 | oliv3r | Shtl: sounds like you have a dual core i3; whth 2 fake cores (e.g. dual core hyper threading) |
| 19:18.54 | Shtl | ok |
| 19:19.02 | twostone | @Shtl: http://ark.intel.com/products/49020/Intel-Core-i3-370M-Processor-3M-cache-2_40-GHz |
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| 19:19.35 | oliv3r | my pure guess; is that this is a virtual temperature sensor, that ACPI THermal Zone works with; how the virtual sensor works, i can't tell you, avg of both cores, highest only, i don't know. but this is just a pure guess |
| 19:19.58 | twostone | @Shtl: It is a dual core, is is just funny that it supports hyperthreading, which an i3 should not, afaik. |
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| 19:20.35 | gotmynick | AbigailBuccaneer: you can use the motd for that. But users can override it with a ~/.hushlogin so... you always can print it in the global shell initialization files (/etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc... ) |
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| 19:20.58 | twostone | @Shtl: The odd numbering is probably an effect of manufactoring and factory disabled cores. The i3 is probably the dog end of i7-production with faulty cores disabled. Hell i know. |
| 19:21.17 | Shtl | ok ok |
| 19:21.18 | oliv3r | twostone: nah, his /proc/cpuinfo shows 4 cpu's |
| 19:21.30 | oliv3r | twostone: lmsensors only shows 2 cpu's as it's 1 sensor per core |
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| 19:21.45 | twostone | @oliv3r: And mine shows 8, but I only have 4 cores + SMT. |
| 19:21.53 | gotmynick | if you want it _before_ the login prompt, then it could be /etc/issue for physical terminals, and for remote shells the banner directives in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:22.15 | oliv3r | and the virtual sensor might make sense if you have 8 cores :) |
| 19:22.26 | urn | noob question, I have a usb drive formatted to ext2 and I put the debian net install .iso on to the usb drive and it's not letting me boot from the drive. Is this not possible? |
| 19:22.26 | oliv3r | twostone: hyperthreading! |
| 19:22.29 | oliv3r | twostone: hyperthreading gives you fake cores ;) |
| 19:22.34 | Shtl | or is it because i installed virtual box? |
| 19:22.37 | oliv3r | urn: of course not |
| 19:22.45 | oliv3r | urn: you either dd the iso directly, (so no filesystem) |
| 19:22.55 | AbigailBuccaneer | gotmynick, I think the easiest thing may be to print out an motd-like thing depending on the modification time of a file in the user's directory |
| 19:23.02 | oliv3r | urn: or you use grub to chainload the iso, but the iso needs 'loopback.cfg' support |
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| 19:23.14 | AbigailBuccaneer | and then users can `touch .messages.read` to mark as read |
| 19:23.18 | oliv3r | Shtl: NOW you say that? that's highly likly |
| 19:23.19 | twostone | @oliv3r: SMT on my machine has similar effects, but not on lm-sensors. My cores are labelled 0-3. |
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| 19:23.30 | Shtl | but i removed it to confirm but still output is same |
| 19:23.42 | oliv3r | twostone: nvm, he's using it in a virtual PC, so god knows what he's seeing :) |
| 19:23.52 | oliv3r | Shtl: yeah but inside VM, all bets are off |
| 19:23.56 | urn | oliv3r, doh okay that makes sense... i knew i was going crazy |
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| 19:24.17 | twostone | @urn: why not use unetbootin? makes your life easier. |
| 19:24.27 | Shtl | oliv3r: i am running sensors on host OS not on guest |
| 19:24.40 | oliv3r | dd if=iso of=/dev/sdusb |
| 19:24.50 | urn | twostone, it doesn't work |
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| 19:24.55 | oliv3r | Shtl: oh ok good; then it doesn't matter |
| 19:25.02 | urn | oliv3r, ty im on it right now :D |
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| 19:25.31 | rabbieth | /buffer 6 |
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| 19:25.35 | rabbieth | sorry |
| 19:26.12 | oliv3r | urn: it's not the most compatible or best way, but should work 99% of the time, just make sure you write it to /dev/sda (or whatever you have) and not /dev/sda1 |
| 19:26.55 | twostone | for some reasons, I keep remembering diskussions about block sizes... |
| 19:27.01 | oliv3r | twostone: btw, i don't have the virtual sensor either; but i have an old i5 here, only 2 cores (with hyper threading appearantly dissabled?) |
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| 19:28.23 | twostone | @oliv3r: As far as my fallible memory remembers, i5s don't have SMT, but then again, neither should i3s, and that one did. Although, it was a mobile thingie... |
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| 19:28.48 | twostone | dammit, need some coffee. can't type. back in a sec. |
| 19:29.20 | urn | oliv3r, ty, just forgot my CDs and im too lazy to walk back home to get them so i'm happy with duct tape fix |
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| 19:29.42 | Doyle | Hey. Debian 7.1.0 amd64 - installed but will not load toolbars after the desktop background displays |
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| 19:29.55 | Doyle | Tried rebooting. Is this a known thing |
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| 19:30.59 | Doyle | Used debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:34.47 | twostone | @urn: for these things, a PXE-server comes in handy... |
| 19:35.10 | RayzrShrp | anybody had good luck running windows 7 under debian? |
| 19:35.22 | twostone | why would anyone? |
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| 19:35.50 | RayzrShrp | because they need windows for some things |
| 19:35.57 | peterS | RayzrShrp: insofar as it's "good luck" to need to run Windows 7 at all, yes, I do it |
| 19:36.05 | peterS | I use virtualbox |
| 19:36.09 | twostone | photoshop runs fine on wine, and for all other things, hey, retro games do too. |
| 19:36.20 | thanosme | there is also wine |
| 19:36.20 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, you could be more explicit and save us from guessing what you want to do |
| 19:36.39 | peterS | ezra-s: I dunno, "run Windows 7 under Debian" seems pretty specific to me |
| 19:36.49 | ezra-s | peterS, there are several different ways |
| 19:36.57 | peterS | ezra-s: yes and I told him which way I use |
| 19:37.00 | RayzrShrp | i run debian under win7 today using workstation |
| 19:37.00 | ezra-s | peterS, the more specific the more precise we can be answering... |
| 19:37.17 | RayzrShrp | want to flip that arrangement since i prefer linux to windows |
| 19:37.21 | twostone | Had virtualbox running a windows 7 x64 for a while, but it was just not worth it. Windows is somehow not as easy to use as debian is, it is missing too much. |
| 19:37.28 | RayzrShrp | but i use ms money and it runs like ass under wine |
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| 19:37.31 | peterS | what does "using workstation" mean? I use a desktop PC. |
| 19:37.41 | RayzrShrp | VMware Workstation |
| 19:38.00 | twostone | @peterS: Workstation, PC, whatever. Ain't a server. |
| 19:38.39 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, it should run fine if you give it enough resources and the debian host has enough cpu to manage the "burden" |
| 19:38.53 | RayzrShrp | ezra-s, lol yep well put |
| 19:39.02 | peterS | twostone: well, I don't use Windows because it's "easy to use", more because there's a small set of apps I need for work that are not worth the trouble to figure out how to get them to run natively in Debian. My work was willing to pay for a Windows license, so I use it. |
| 19:39.03 | RayzrShrp | should be ok it's a i5 with 16G of ram |
| 19:39.06 | ezra-s | I tried virtualbox for a similar setup, it works fine too |
| 19:39.08 | RayzrShrp | and a solid state drive |
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| 19:39.28 | twostone | @peterS: Workstation usually describes something akin to a desktop, but with industry-class hardware, rather than end-consumer bull. |
| 19:40.29 | ezra-s | with SSD much faster response I bet |
| 19:40.29 | peterS | twostone: I know what a workstation is. I still had a legitimate question, what does "using workstation" mean. In his case the answer was "using the non-free product VMware Workstation" |
| 19:40.29 | RayzrShrp | yeah right now debian runs under windows like a champ |
| 19:40.29 | zangaroo | when will 16GB dimms come out. I want a 32 GB laptop |
| 19:40.38 | RayzrShrp | i didnt care much for virtualbox |
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| 19:40.40 | twostone | @PeterS: "VMWare Workstation" is something entirely different, sorry for the mix-up. |
| 19:40.44 | ezra-s | peterS, strange thing that I did understand he meant vmware workstation, as there is no other meaning to using workstation to run windows over linux... |
| 19:41.16 | peterS | ezra-s: ahh - see in that case if I didn't want to specify the full name of the product I probably would have just said "using vmware" |
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| 19:41.43 | ezra-s | vmware also has vmware player, ESX... etc |
| 19:41.51 | RayzrShrp | so will debian have a solid driver for my video card, nvida GTX 260 |
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| 19:42.23 | somiaj | RayzrShrp: you have the choice of either the free nouveau driver or the non-free (what I use) nvidia driver |
| 19:42.25 | peterS | anyway - virtualbox has its problems, but my setup, in which I just give it one entire screen of my display and pretty much let it do its thing with my productivity apps (no games or multimedia, nothing fancy like that), it does the job just fine |
| 19:42.35 | twostone | ezra: I'm still cathing up with my daily coffeine-dose. Bit late for deep thought. |
| 19:42.49 | somiaj | RayzrShrp: by default you will have to turn on non-free repos, but once you do that there are nice packages to install the driver from nvidia (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) |
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| 19:43.08 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, are you using debian 7.1? |
| 19:43.30 | ezra-s | twostone, nah, nothing too deep on this issue :) |
| 19:43.44 | twostone | Might be worth switching to jessie repos for the non-free nvidia-driver. |
| 19:44.12 | RayzrShrp | ezra-s, im running Wheezy so yeah 7.1 right? |
| 19:44.24 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, if it's updated, I guess :) |
| 19:44.25 | twostone | 7.1 it is. |
| 19:45.00 | ezra-s | they fixed something for the nvidia drivers - > nvidia-graphics-drivers Add missing dependency on nvidia-support |
| 19:45.04 | ezra-s | http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130615 |
| 19:45.22 | peterS | the vbox guest has no problem knowing the size of its display, text cut/paste between debian and the guest works fine (haven't tried other types of cut/paste like graphics or files or folders), vbox provides a network share to the guest that I can use for transferring files back and forth ... that really is all I need |
| 19:45.42 | twostone | Like I said, though, might be worth flirting with jessie for the latest non-free nvidia. The wheezy drivers might be a tad outdated. |
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| 19:46.02 | ezra-s | vbox also has an option to specify if the disk the guest will be using runs over SSD, don't know which improvements that brings |
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| 19:46.06 | RayzrShrp | so without trying to start a war is one brand of video card better then the other for linux in general? is ati chipset more supported then nvidia? |
| 19:46.25 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, the opposite |
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| 19:46.31 | peterS | better than "the other"? there are dozens of video card manufacturers. though I suppose the big three are intel, nvidia, ati? |
| 19:46.36 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, in my experience, always go for nvidia with linux |
| 19:46.42 | RayzrShrp | ok so nvidia has the most support under linux |
| 19:46.52 | RayzrShrp | thats what i thought |
| 19:46.54 | peterS | (well, I'm showing my age, ati is amd these days, isn't it) |
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| 19:47.02 | oliv3r | peterS: yes it is |
| 19:47.04 | ezra-s | I've had much less trouble with nvidia in my case, yes |
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| 19:47.04 | RayzrShrp | i had an ati radeon back in the day and had nothing but issues with linux |
| 19:47.31 | oliv3r | if you don't mind propriatery blobs; nvidia offers the highest performance at the moment i would say |
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| 19:47.40 | somiaj | RayzrShrp: it isn't that bad today, the ati non-free drivers work just fine and the radeon free drivers are far supperior to nouveau (nvidia free drivers) |
| 19:47.41 | oliv3r | though ati is right there on the top with their blob drivers |
| 19:47.53 | oliv3r | if you care about opensource, the best supported are intel chips |
| 19:48.06 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, still since propietary drivers have a kernel module they can still be a pain , check #ubuntu if you don't believe me :P |
| 19:48.07 | twostone | used to be, that nvidia cards had better support (as long as one used proprietary binaries). Can't say that the situation is still the same. Might be, that the new radeon drivers (OSs) tipped the balance. |
| 19:48.16 | oliv3r | AMD/ATi's radeons however give you powerfull cards, and opensource support is becoming very very excellent |
| 19:48.28 | RayzrShrp | honestly ideally i would like a stand-alone debian box with X and full graphical support to it without having to mess around with a kvm switch but VNC is kinda slow |
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| 19:48.51 | oliv3r | if its headless; who cares what videocard is in it? |
| 19:49.02 | peterS | last I checked, which was years ago, the non-free nvidia driver couldn't do things like xrandr 1.2 or even xinerama. I don't remember the details but it was pretty wtf. |
| 19:49.06 | RayzrShrp | good point oliv3r |
| 19:49.13 | twostone | Rayzr: have you ever tried working with ssh and x-forwarding? forget VNC. |
| 19:49.38 | josvuk | Hi, How to change my user from pi to my name josvuk@2mfm? |
| 19:49.41 | peterS | ssh with x forwarding is all very well but I wouldn't say it's actually faster than VNC |
| 19:49.41 | RayzrShrp | right now i run debian virtualized and i RDP into my windows machine from home and get into it that way, works pretty good |
| 19:50.04 | twostone | @josvuk: try /nick $NAME |
| 19:50.14 | twostone | FORGET IT! |
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| 19:50.27 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, RDP works very well if you need to use a windows remotely |
| 19:50.30 | josvuk | twostone: I mean on my debian computer:-) |
| 19:50.32 | twostone | Haven't been reading probperly again. please ignore me. |
| 19:50.36 | RayzrShrp | twostone, wouldnt i need the gnome libraries on my windows machine for the desktop env to be usable that way |
| 19:50.38 | ezra-s | RayzrShrp, I use rdesktop for that |
| 19:50.49 | somiaj | josvuk: if you want you could modify the file /etc/passwd and /etc/group to change the name assoicated with the uid/gid of your user. |
| 19:51.00 | peterS | xfreerdp (package 'freerdp-x11') > rdesktop in my experience |
| 19:51.02 | RayzrShrp | yeah i use RDP to my house and it works flawlessly |
| 19:52.10 | ezra-s | peterS, never tried it... going to take a look at it |
| 19:52.10 | peterS | though I have had to write a small wrapper script to give it the appropriate command line options |
| 19:52.10 | twostone | @Rayzr: No need, all you usually need is an ssh-server host-side and a forwarding-capable ssh-client, for example putty. |
| 19:52.10 | somiaj | josvuk: it is suggested you use 'vipw' to modify that file, but any editor will work, just be careful. |
| 19:52.10 | twostone | @rayzr: If you want the full desktop though, you might want to have a look at LTSP. |
| 19:52.23 | josvuk | hm, why what can happen with the file using vim? |
| 19:52.41 | peterS | ezra-s: I use 'xfreerdp --plugin cliprdr --ignore-certificate -x 34' and also have to specify -d with a domain name, which is a bit annoying. (usually the domain is "." unless it is a builtin account like administrator in which case the domain is "BUILTIN") |
| 19:52.45 | twostone | @Rayzr: I need to think before I type. You'd need Xming mesa on your windows machine for that. |
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| 19:52.53 | RayzrShrp | twostone, but with ssh forwarding isnt that only going to let me run terminals |
| 19:53.20 | peterS | RayzrShrp: no the point of X forwarding in ssh is that you use ssh as the transport for your graphical app |
| 19:53.22 | RayzrShrp | yep used xming, works pretty good |
| 19:53.31 | somiaj | josvuk: all vipw does is make a copy, and have you edit the copy |
| 19:53.49 | ezra-s | peterS, not difficult : rdesktop -u user -d domain -g 1200x600 ip |
| 19:53.57 | somiaj | josvuk: then it has some sanity checks before coping the edited file over the origianl |
| 19:54.00 | peterS | somiaj: ...well it also locks against multiple people editing at once, and runs some sort of sanity check on the file you save |
| 19:54.00 | RayzrShrp | peterS, right but how does a windows client draw the x windows without the libraries |
| 19:54.05 | ezra-s | that's my favourite geometry for my laptop |
| 19:54.09 | twostone | @Rayzr: Using x-forwarding will also let you use X11-applications over ssh, works quite well on linux, for windows though you'd need xming as well, to be able to connect to a local (client-side) x-server. |
| 19:54.16 | somiaj | peterS: ahh didn't think of the lock, but I knew about the sanity checks |
| 19:54.31 | RayzrShrp | ok so xming for libraries and ssh forwarding |
| 19:55.06 | peterS | ezra-s: indeed, rdesktop works fine... sometimes. last I tried it it did not support whatever the newish style of RDP auth is called. so I could only use it if I disabled that requirement on the windows side |
| 19:55.17 | somiaj | josvuk: vipw uses your editor of choice, so it can use vim/nano/emacs or whatever, it is just a sensitive system file and a way to help protect again breackage |
| 19:55.41 | josvuk | so vipw works save and nothing can go wrong? what about the homdiretcory is it automaticaly renamed? |
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| 19:55.53 | peterS | somiaj: also if you're going to use vipw to change a username, don't forget to also 'vipw -s' to edit the shadow file |
| 19:55.58 | somiaj | josvuk: you will have to rename that, but the 'mv' command will do that |
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| 19:56.18 | peterS | josvuk: the home directory is specified in /etc/passwd. rename it or don't rename it, but if you do rename it, change it there and also run 'mv' |
| 19:56.22 | ezra-s | peterS, never had that problem , but I am not sure If I ever connected to the latest windows server version |
| 19:57.03 | ezra-s | all I used the bloody windows servers was for a propietary windows software, but now I use wine and it runs fine so... :o) |
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| 19:57.11 | michaelis | Hi. When I try to install nvidia's own driver on my 64 bit system I get the following error: Cannot create symlink (null) (Bad address). Any suggestions? |
| 19:57.16 | leitao | is it possible to compile apt without https? |
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| 19:57.28 | peterS | leitao: probably but why? |
| 19:57.29 | somiaj | michaelis: installing the driver from nvidia is not supported here. |
| 19:57.31 | josvuk | hm, ok! thx ... |
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| 19:57.43 | michaelis | somiaj, Where then? |
| 19:57.50 | somiaj | michaelis: use the debian provided packages such as nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 19:57.58 | leitao | peterS: doing a cross compilation, and gnutls and curl are hard to crosscompile |
| 19:58.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | What do I need to check the CD signing key signature? |
| 19:58.14 | somiaj | michaelis: if you use the driver from nvidia.com use their support. #debian will support using its packaged non-free drivers. |
| 19:58.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | gpg --check-sigs 0xDA87E80D6294BE9B says 5 signatures not checked due to missing keys |
| 19:58.49 | twostone | @michaelis: If you're using debian, use the dkms-package out of the non-free jessie-repos, that should get you a recent driver without the hassle. |
| 19:58.51 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: try 'gpg --search-keys' and specify those missing keys |
| 19:58.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | I already have the archive keys. |
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| 19:59.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. |
| 19:59.10 | josvuk | what is the save runlevel for unpluging power from the system? runlevel 0? How to check which runlevel am I? |
| 19:59.30 | ezra-s | run level 0 is shutting down |
| 19:59.41 | michaelis | somiaj, I wanted their driver because when I suspend and then restart the computer freezes. |
| 19:59.42 | michaelis | And there's an error which I don't remember right now. |
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| 20:00.11 | ezra-s | bye |
| 20:00.21 | michaelis | twostone, Do I add an entry in my sources.list for the jessie-repos? |
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| 20:00.21 | twostone | @josvuk: hardly anyone ever bothers with init anymore, nowadays. Just use poweroff, reboot, s2ram, s2disk, and it's dead easy. |
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| 20:00.45 | josvuk | Can I run a programm when runlevel 0 is on work that programm should blink a led. |
| 20:00.46 | Doyle | Yep, the netinstaller debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso is foobar'd. Installing using that media in hyperv fails. The mini,iso was perfect though. So far. |
| 20:00.55 | twostone | @michaelis: If you're after a recent driver, then yes. |
| 20:01.34 | somiaj | michaelis: you are ofcourse able to use what ever drive you want. I said the upstream driver is not supported by debian. nvidia.com does have support forums. |
| 20:01.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: erm, how do I tell which keys I'm missing? |
| 20:02.06 | josvuk | twostone: my system has only 4 switches for operation and I#m not allways loggend in per ssh |
| 20:02.14 | michaelis | I want to do that which is easiest. Right now I don't know what is. |
| 20:02.16 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: the gpg output doesn't say that? I thought it would say |
| 20:02.22 | somiaj | michaelis: just realize dpkg/apt have no clue about the nvidia upstream driver so it may delete files, conflict with what you have installed, and so forth (hence why it isn't supported) |
| 20:02.45 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: ahhh - gpg --list-sigs 0xDA87E80D6294BE9B |
| 20:03.43 | michaelis | somiaj, The installation has failed anyway so it doesn't matter. |
| 20:03.43 | somiaj | michaelis: there is a debian package that will clean up the upstream driver. I personally use the debian drivers on a 460 gtx+ and it works just fine. |
| 20:03.49 | somiaj | michaelis: my guess is the driver version is not the issue with your suspend as your card isn't bleeding edge. |
| 20:04.29 | twostone | @josvuk: if it has four switches, that is four more than mine ever do. I usually use WoL and a bunch of scripts to control my machines. a simple ssh $USER@$MACHINE 'poweroff' does not take long, especially if there is an alias in the bashrc that schrinks it down to the machine name. Love it that way. |
| 20:04.48 | michaelis | somiaj, Ok. |
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| 20:05.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: um, none of those is signed by the archive key here, it seems |
| 20:05.45 | twostone | @josvuk: Per default, if you press the power button on a standard installation, the machine will be shut down per ACPI-Event. |
| 20:06.15 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: no, those keys _sign_ the archive key, they aren't not signed _by_ it |
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| 20:06.22 | isus | !list |
| 20:06.23 | dpkg | isus: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:06.27 | josvuk | twostone: yes I can to poweroff over ssh, but I'm not allways loged in the system should work also save standalone. |
| 20:06.29 | twostone | config's at /etc/acpi/events. |
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| 20:06.42 | josvuk | twostone: AH ACPI-Event ....... |
| 20:06.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: ok, so how do I verify the CD signing key then? |
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| 20:07.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: I thought maybe the archive key was used to sign the CD signing key |
| 20:07.26 | twostone | @josvuk: I'm a little slow this evening, what was it you wanted to achieve? |
| 20:07.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | But if that's not the case...? |
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| 20:09.07 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: people sign the CD signing key. if you know those people, you can establish a chain of trust to the signing keys. if you don't, then everything you do is ultimately a matter of trusting a third party to tell you that someone or something is legitimate |
| 20:09.24 | josvuk | I want to shut down a dibian system with only 4 switchs and a 168x104 pixel display safe |
| 20:09.37 | josvuk | I think this acp thing would be good .... |
| 20:09.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: I wanted to verify the download. It would be easy if they published SHA256SUMS on a https-enabled site. |
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| 20:10.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: the archive key is available over https, but that seems the only thing... |
| 20:10.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 20:10.34 | josvuk | Hm, the display is at the moment not working ..... so only four switches no Display ... |
| 20:10.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | So, what, is that useless? |
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| 20:12.15 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: well, if you trust https://ftp-master.debian.org to provide a proper key, then you _can_ verify the rest. the archive key verifies the archive index, which contains a checksum of the 'debian-keyring' package (e.g., http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-keyring/debian-keyring_2013.06.25_all.deb), and that package contains /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg, which contains the key you're looking for |
| 20:12.30 | twostone | @josvuk: Sounds like ACPI-Events it is then. Otherwise, You could have a script running in the background, but that would probably be more work that using the ACPI-framework. Are these four switches connected to GPIOs or what are they? |
| 20:12.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | WTF? I have to go through all that to verify a CD checksum? |
| 20:13.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm on a non-Debian machine. |
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| 20:14.12 | twostone | @Eduard: A CD-checksum is something different from a trusted key. |
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| 20:14.24 | twostone | Have I misread again? |
| 20:14.25 | josvuk | twostone: yes they are connected to GPIOs ... So the acpi-framework has functions for scaning the switches? |
| 20:14.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | twostone: sure, but how do you check the checksum is valid? |
| 20:14.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | I don't see the SHA256SUMS provided over https or any other secure channel. |
| 20:15.49 | twostone | @josvuk: It should have. It's been a while since I've worked with PLCs on linux, but there's supposed to be something relating to /dev/node*, that can be used to trigger a script or else. |
| 20:16.47 | twostone | @eduard: CD-checksums are usually just md5-hashes to check whether the image was corrupted during download. Are we talking about the same thing here or have I lost it again? |
| 20:17.55 | twostone | I am terribly sorry if I might seem erratic to people. No offence intended. |
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| 20:19.24 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: Debian culture is more oriented toward distributed integrity verification (PGP) instead of centralized (X.509, i.e., "https"). That's a cultural thing: we trust each other more than we trust, e.g., Verisign. That's not to say it would be a _bad_ idea to distribute hashes over https from a site with an official-looking hostname, but perhaps nobody has taken the trouble to do so |
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| 20:19.48 | doebi | how do i flush my dns again? |
| 20:20.27 | peterS | doebi: '/etc/init.d/bind9 restart' if you're using bind9 - there may be a less drastic way than restarting the daemon, but if so I don't know it |
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| 20:21.06 | peterS | if you're using nscd, I'm not sure of the answer. if you're using neither nscd nor a name server, I don't think there is any sort of "flush" as there is no particular DNS caching in the first place |
| 20:21.54 | twostone | well, service $DAEMON restart often helps.. should work with nscd as well. |
| 20:22.34 | peterS | more to the point we've hated nscd for many years and we hope nobody's still using it, so just uninstalling might be a better solution (: |
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| 20:22.57 | peterS | (or, who knows, maybe it stopped sucking at some point. My aversion to nscd is at least 10 years old.) |
| 20:23.12 | twostone | Me, I'm using unbound. Never even heard of nscd, though I might have accidently used it in my younger days... |
| 20:23.51 | peterS | well, nscd isn't DNS, it caches things like gethostbyname(), which sometimes ends up using DNS |
| 20:23.54 | twostone | Used to do a lot of stupid things, when I was young. :) |
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| 20:24.59 | twostone | still remember bind5, though... |
| 20:25.17 | twostone | Probably wasn't that long ago. |
| 20:25.22 | peterS | twostone: you do? I only remember the jump from bind4 to bind8. was there really a bind5? |
| 20:26.02 | peterS | maybe you're thinking of sendmail 5? I...think there was a sendmail 5 |
| 20:26.06 | twostone | At least I think there was. At that time, I was a little overworked and underpaid. Hey wait, I still am. |
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| 20:28.05 | peterS | I do not remember sendmail 5 fondly, except perhaps in contrast to other MTAs of its day (: |
| 20:28.35 | anonnumberanon | I only see Video TS and Sound TS inside my DVD when I click on it. Why is this happening? I was never able to play DVDs under this operating system. |
| 20:28.54 | peterS | hmmm, should be VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS |
| 20:29.36 | anonnumberanon | There you go, if I put the dvd back in the tray and close the tray it will start spinning and stop my irc from working.. |
| 20:29.40 | twostone | @anonnumberanon: You're probably missing the libdvdcss library. Good old days... |
| 20:29.56 | peterS | as for playing DVDs, install an app that can do it, such as vlc. though when people say "play DVDs" they usually mean encrypted DVDs, which yeah, as twostone says, requires a third-party package for legal reasons |
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| 20:30.14 | peterS | (Debian doesn't want to get sued or prosecuted for bundling DVD playing abilities into a free OS.) |
| 20:30.27 | anonnumberanon | Ahhh I understand. |
| 20:30.46 | anonnumberanon | the VOB format is proprietary or something? |
| 20:31.32 | peterS | no, the VOB format is fine. but the media is encrypted using CSS which is not only proprietary, but the inventors have convinced various governments that it is _illegal_ to implement without their involvement |
| 20:31.41 | twostone | valid reasons. In quite a few countries it is a punishable offence to circumvent copyright protection, even if it is to just being able to use the copy-protected material. |
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| 20:32.07 | peterS | you can go to jail for distributing DVD decrypting (i.e., playing) software without being part of the consortium that invented it |
| 20:32.18 | michaelis | somiaj, I works fine now. Thank you for the help. And you to twostone. |
| 20:32.18 | michaelis | Bye. |
| 20:32.48 | peterS | basically "they" don't want you to write a DVD player app that, for example, has a function to skip over the un-skip-able stuff at the beginning of the disc |
| 20:33.22 | twostone | hell, movies these days can hardly be considered art. Why should they be covered by art patents? They're junk, and I can't remember a copyright notice sticking on my litter bin. Hate this lobbyism. |
| 20:33.27 | Rackmount | peterS: didn't you hear? DVD players are a matter of national security. |
| 20:33.43 | peterS | and perhaps even more importantly they didn't want people in the UK to buy US DVDs months before the UK version was released, and actually be able to play them |
| 20:33.50 | anonnumberanon | Rackmount, lol |
| 20:34.14 | peterS | 'cause that's cheating |
| 20:34.25 | Rackmount | I still need to get my hands on one of those DeCSS source code T-shirts. |
| 20:35.05 | Rackmount | peterS: "cheating" meaning "we can't squeeze every drop of cash out of people without draconian control over content we distribute but didn't make" |
| 20:35.16 | twostone | @peterS: Now you're talking about the region code. That's even worse, since it is usually hardcoded into the drive's firmware. Yuk. |
| 20:35.18 | anonnumberanon | So I had the livdvd already, as well as vlc but I had to go in vlc first and choose "open disk", now I got the the ennoying dvd menu, I guess I'll also get all the warnings that tell me I paid for this dvd and also that my butt should hurt because of it. And to follow, like a sheep... |
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| 20:35.58 | peterS | anonnumberanon: well you can run 'vlc dvd://' from the command line instead of having to 'open disc' from a menu. but either way. |
| 20:36.11 | twostone | @anon: You'd need the non-free version of the libdvdsomething. Been a while, so i don't remember which one it was. |
| 20:36.17 | Rackmount | These are the reasons why compact disc technology is dying, and not because of limited capacity (well, maybe capacity is a small piece of the reason). |
| 20:36.23 | twostone | used to be in the deb-multimedia-repos. |
| 20:36.24 | peterS | anonnumberanon: heaven help you if you ever decide you'd like to get a bluray player for your computer, and then try to use _that_ in Linux |
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| 20:36.44 | twostone | Urgh, bluray. |
| 20:37.06 | anonnumberanon | ok now I'm mad |
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| 20:37.24 | twostone | join the club, mate. |
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| 20:38.06 | Rackmount | I'm not mad. I just refuse to patronize greedy fuckfaces (pardon my French), and so far, it has worked out fine for me. |
| 20:38.16 | twostone | I'm not to fond of all this copyright business myself. |
| 20:38.34 | peterS | not to say it's impossible to play a BD disc, but apparently the effort involves individually cracking discs, not just circumventing the whole thing like with DVDs. I don't know the details as I don't have the tech. |
| 20:38.48 | Rackmount | I'll gladly pay for a boxed set of Debian discs... I won't even take commercial software if it's given to me for free... it goes right into the trash bin. |
| 20:38.55 | twostone | I don't mind supporting artists that in fact ARE artists, but hollywood? Or Pop-music? Hell no. |
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| 20:40.44 | Rackmount | twostone: still, youtube-dl is handy for the occasional upload worth having. :) |
| 20:40.49 | twostone | Anyway, like I said, You'd probably need one libdvdsomething out of the non-free repos to actually view copy-protected DVDs. And by this, you might be breaking the law in your country. |
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| 20:41.18 | peterS | !youtube-dl++ |
| 20:41.42 | anonnumberanon | So I opened VIDEO_TS and looked at the files and then the dvd started spinning like crazy and irc would not let me get back online, or I don't know how to say it but my ping was like really long. Didn't even tell me the lag seconds. I just couldn't communicate anymore. I feel like my freedom has been hurt by my hardware for a bit. |
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| 20:42.00 | twostone | @Rackmount: Not where I live. Most of the content worth viewing ist blocked here because google wasn't interested in paying big bucks for it. Thank god for proxies... |
| 20:42.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | I was away for a few moments, *reads scrollback*. |
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| 20:43.21 | Rackmount | twostone: that sucks. :P well, I'm afraid that you're *COUGH*emule*COUGH* out of options for seeing content you would like. :) |
| 20:43.32 | anonnumberanon | I don't know if I want to actually watch the movie now.. |
| 20:43.46 | Rackmount | or amule, as it applies to Linux. :) |
| 20:43.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: I like the WOT myself too but for the ordinary users https is the best they get. There's no other way to mass-distribute keys really. |
| 20:44.02 | twostone | @Rackmount: Nah, there's still public proxies in other countries. Works that way, if a tad slow. |
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| 20:44.05 | Rackmount | or mlDonkey for that matter, which in my opinion, is better than my previous mentions. |
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| 20:44.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | And all of those apt-key things are next to useless if you can't verify your initial install. |
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| 20:46.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | At the very least they could distribute the hashes over https. It's very low cost. |
| 20:46.12 | twostone | @rackmount: If I'd tell you that we don't even have a decent internet connection here, you'd probably laugh, wouldn't you? And it is not even a third-world country, although sometimes it seems that way. |
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| 20:46.35 | Rackmount | twostone: If you don't mind my asking you, where do you hail from? |
| 20:46.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Even if they distributed everything through https, it would be rather low-cost, AES is cheap these days. |
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| 20:47.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | So yeah, I find it rather odd I can't verify the small checksum I downloaded. :) |
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| 20:48.12 | peterS | Eduard_Munteanu: https wouldn't do any good if you got it from a random mirror operated by a random third party donating bandwidth to Debian, which is the usual way to get CD images |
| 20:48.22 | twostone | @Rackmount: The far end of nowhere. Germany. Hate this country. Or at least its people. They're stupid. |
| 20:48.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: yeah, I don't mean that. |
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| 20:49.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterS: though getting it from two sources would still be a lot safe than in the plain http case |
| 20:49.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | It would require an attacker to subvert two possibly-distant servers. |
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| 20:49.45 | Rackmount | twostone: Well, I don't know any Germans (at least not very well), but they make some damn fine guns in that neck of the woods. :) |
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| 20:50.16 | twostone | @Eduard: All you need is a trasparent proxy to intercept SSL-connections midway. |
| 20:50.37 | atomdream | I got a mic plugged in and nobody can hear me, can someone help? |
| 20:50.43 | twostone | @Rackmount: They used to. Not anymore. |
| 20:50.44 | peterS | twostone: well sure if you don't check certificates |
| 20:50.52 | Rackmount | Heckler and Kock to be exact. :) |
| 20:51.00 | Rackmount | LOL, I meant Koch. |
| 20:51.08 | twostone | @peterS: One could always forward the original certificate... |
| 20:51.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | I don't mean self-signed https certs. :) |
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| 20:51.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | twostone: then you can't alter the stream |
| 20:51.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or decrypt it. |
| 20:51.48 | twostone | @peterS: Squid can. |
| 20:52.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | You have to have a signed cert that appears to be good. |
| 20:52.49 | peterS | twostone: sure you can forward the original certificate but not if you're trying to be a transparent proxy |
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| 20:53.07 | mtn | atomdream: what have you done to fix your problem? |
| 20:53.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | HTTPS requires one to trust CAs, but that's another problem. |
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| 20:53.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Rogue CAs can do that, sure. |
| 20:54.13 | atomdream | mtn, ive tryed to disable/enable pulse audio |
| 20:54.24 | atomdream | tryed to test with several softwares |
| 20:54.35 | mtn | atomdream: have you looked at your sound settings? have you tried alsamixer? |
| 20:54.38 | atomdream | checked the mic on other computer, mic works |
| 20:54.50 | twostone | @Eduard: No need to decrypt it, the way it works is that there's two ssl-connections to the proxy: One client-side, one server-side. The direct connection is in fact broken in two at the point of the proxy. Easier to set up a squid that forwards its own certificate, but you can do one that forwards the original certificate as well with a few modifications. |
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| 20:55.32 | mtn | atomdream: and does your sound card work otherwise? |
| 20:56.30 | atomdream | mtn, otherwise? |
| 20:56.46 | mtn | atomdream: yes, does your sound card work, besides the mic? |
| 20:57.04 | atomdream | mtn, yes |
| 20:57.13 | mtn | atomdream: have you looked at your sound settings? have you tried alsamixer? |
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| 20:57.47 | atomdream | mtn, i have launched alsamixer but i dont know what can i do with it |
| 20:57.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | twostone: that won't work because you need a certificate that says your proxy *is* www.victim.org |
| 20:58.51 | mtn | Fatomdream: look at the sound settings, make sure the mic is not muted. also, you may want to hit F6 and see if there is another sound card listed with different settings you could adjust. |
| 20:58.55 | twostone | @Eduard: This is just a thought, but the SSL-man in the middle-attack actually does work, but requires malicious intent and some fiddling with the source code. It is the standard way to break ECHD-encryption. |
| 20:59.01 | atomdream | mtn, i have Oxygen HD audio isntalled |
| 20:59.04 | twostone | ECDH. |
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| 20:59.15 | mtn | atomdream: look at the sound settings, make sure the mic is not muted. also, you may want to hit F6 and see if there is another sound card listed with different settings you could adjust. |
| 20:59.18 | atomdream | mtn, my sound card is Asus Xonar DGX |
| 20:59.55 | atomdream | mtn, yes there is another card listed which is my video card (hdmi) output |
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| 21:00.19 | mtn | atomdream: check your mic settings on both of them. |
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| 21:01.54 | twostone | @atomdream: running alsa? try qasmixer as a comfortable alternative to alsamixer. you might have to fiddle about with your asound.conf to set default input device. Also remember, if you want to hear yourself talking, so to speak, you might also have to enable the input monitoring. |
| 21:01.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | twostone: dunno what ECHD is but "standard way to break ... encryption"? There isn't any. :) |
| 21:02.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gotta go afk, but anyway, I'll try reporting a bug later. |
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| 21:02.56 | twostone | For the diffie-hellman, it is, for it is one of the few ways to get the session key. |
| 21:03.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | remembers debootstrap also has the "bright" idea to continue installing even if there's no archive key :( |
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| 21:03.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | twostone: you probably don't realize SSL/TLS include ways to authenticate the parties, not just encrypt. |
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| 21:04.08 | bhuddah | you know that man in the middle does not "break" the encryption, right? |
| 21:04.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | If it were that easy it would be useless. |
| 21:04.36 | twostone | @bhuddah: this way, he doesn't need to. |
| 21:04.38 | sett | anyone know how to disable floppy seek during linux install? no floppy disable option in bios |
| 21:04.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | off |
| 21:04.45 | bhuddah | twostone: yep. but different problem. |
| 21:05.06 | bhuddah | http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 21:05.18 | peterS | yeah if you trust a proxy, then the proxy can do what it wants. I guess that shouldn't be a surprise. |
| 21:05.40 | twostone | good old xkcd... |
| 21:06.03 | peterS | bhuddah: indeed, rubber hose cryptography is a completely different problem, almost impossible to solve |
| 21:06.03 | bhuddah | the end of the rainbow :) |
| 21:06.13 | twostone | @peterS: trick is to put one inbetween without the user noticing. |
| 21:06.19 | atomdream | twostone, will try qasmixer |
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| 21:07.32 | twostone | @peterS: At this point, you might as well insert one of my random rants against vodafone, for they have done it in various countries. And they'll even admit it, if you phone the help desk and complain nicely. What a company... |
| 21:08.01 | peterS | twostone: yeah, but the whole point of certificates is to notice a MITM, either read-only or read-write. what you call a 'transparent proxy' is really _any_ MITM. |
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| 21:09.06 | mtn | atomdream: might also want to use pavucontrol if you are running pulseaudio |
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| 21:09.15 | twostone | @peterS: well, it is not exactly a transparent proxy as in "legal transparent proxy" but one that works in a similar way with slightly different results unnoticeable by the end-user. |
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| 21:10.00 | peterS | what has 'legal' to do with it? that's a red herring. the point is, you're trying to proxy a connection in such a way that certificate validation at one or both ends won't fail. you're saying this can be done? |
| 21:10.33 | peterS | is there something about DH that is not authenticated by the certificate, then? |
| 21:10.47 | atomdream | mtn, ty will try it out |
| 21:11.08 | peterS | (I mean of course DH as used in SSL3/TLS) |
| 21:11.25 | bhuddah | dh does not prevent mitm |
| 21:11.33 | peterS | not by itself, of course it doesn't |
| 21:11.38 | peterS | that's why we have certificates |
| 21:11.40 | twostone | "legal transparent proxy" is not the right word. Couldn't think of another one though. What I had in mind was a proxy setup the standard way, noticeable. |
| 21:11.54 | bhuddah | peterS: so what is the deal? :) |
| 21:13.03 | twostone | You can, with a few modifications, however, achieve soemthing that is similar to a "port mirroring" on a switch, using squid in a nonconventional way and a bit of fancy coding. |
| 21:13.08 | peterS | bhuddah: that's what I'm wondering. Nobody is arguing that plain DH without a certificate is safe from a MITM attack. but that's why we use SSL _with_ certificates |
| 21:13.41 | bhuddah | peterS: ssl doens't prevent that either. ssl can tell you something if you analyze the certificates very very closely |
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| 21:14.43 | twostone | Even assuming that one could not fake a certificate, there have been times in the past, where CAs have issued certs to companies without even checking what they are used for. |
| 21:14.54 | twostone | root-CAs. |
| 21:15.14 | peterS | twostone: that's an entirely different problem though. whether to trust CAs to do the kind of checking that you don't have the time or inclination to do yourself. |
| 21:15.20 | bhuddah | yes. basically the whole problem is moved to the trust in the CAs |
| 21:16.23 | twostone | not really. There's no safety in anything, it's all a matter of more or less effort. |
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| 21:17.54 | atomdream | How do i enable virtual dolby surround medium range for headphones on my Asus Xonar DGX ? |
| 21:18.10 | twostone | The cert business aside, once you have physical access to one of the nodes in the communication, nothing is secure. re-routing and other stuff is just a ways to try and emulate physical access. |
| 21:18.11 | peterS | really it's about getting above the rubber hose threshold, keeping in mind that attacks on random internet data streams are more logistically feasible than deploying the same number of rubber hoses |
| 21:18.23 | twostone | generally speaking. |
| 21:19.23 | twostone | @atomdream: You might have to pass on that, virtual dolby surround imho requires proprietary binaries that just are not available for linux, iirc. |
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| 21:21.07 | mtn | atomdream: did you get your mic working? |
| 21:22.30 | atomdream | mtn, still trying to do it |
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| 21:24.17 | twostone | @atomdream: I'm grasping at straws here, but maybe you can have a look at what the jack kit offers. It could solve your problem in a way, but then again, it might create others. What's your setup? |
| 21:24.41 | atomdream | twostone, ? |
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| 21:25.41 | atomdream | twostone, which setup ? |
| 21:26.14 | twostone | @atomdream: What are you using? gnome, kde, some_wm? ALSA, OSS, Pulse, others? you mentioned you had two SCs, which one is your default and how is your Xonar set up? |
| 21:26.37 | atomdream | gnome |
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| 21:26.45 | atomdream | Alsa Pulse |
| 21:26.53 | atomdream | Xonar |
| 21:27.15 | atomdream | cant answer last question because i dont uderstand the question |
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| 21:28.02 | twostone | Me, I'm using two Xonar Essences, sometimes in tandem, sometimes single. Killed pulse, just using alsa with modified asound.conf. I'm not quite familiar with the Xonar DGX. Does it still use the AV100? |
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| 21:29.28 | atomdream | twostone, i dont understand but it uses CMI8788 |
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| 21:29.35 | atomdream | Oxyged HD Audio chipset |
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| 21:31.25 | twostone | ok, same DSP. This one is slightly tricky. did you connect your mic to the front panel input or the SC jack? |
| 21:32.13 | atomdream | i dont use my frontpanel |
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| 21:33.25 | twostone | If yours is in any way similar to mine, you should have only a few controls in QasMixer. A master, mic in, aux in, analog in monitor and dig in monitor. correct? |
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| 21:35.20 | twostone | If you've got multiple souncards installed, make sure that you've selected the correct device. One way would be to use "view"->"show devices" and then select the correct one from the list on your right. |
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| 21:37.39 | MeepDude | Hello all. I started messing around with VIM this past week and I like it. I want to customize my vim install but am not sure how on Wheezy. A google search provided only information for squeeze so any assistance is greatly appreciated. How do I install a theme? |
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| 21:38.13 | MeepDude | First off actually how do I install anything for vim? |
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| 21:41.04 | alusion | Hey |
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| 21:43.18 | alusion | I want to mail my PC some updates, I have the sendmail daemon running and stmp running |
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| 21:46.18 | xavier23 | HI all…. I need a wheezy box for vagrant …… any suggestions? |
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| 21:49.42 | digdilem | alusion, I don't understand your question |
| 21:50.20 | alusion | I'm not receiving the mail |
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| 21:50.29 | alusion | for example, df -h | mail -s "Test" user@email.com |
| 21:51.00 | digdilem | if my stmp you mean exim4, debian's default mta, then tail /var/log/exim/mainlog to see what it gets |
| 21:51.00 | alusion | the daemon is on and stmp is running apparently too, I'm also online |
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| 21:51.25 | digdilem | is port 25 open on your firewall to allow new mail in? |
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| 21:51.59 | alusion | I want to send mail out |
| 21:52.06 | digdilem | sorry, i misunderstood |
| 21:52.27 | digdilem | is exim configured as an internet mail server? |
| 21:52.27 | bhuddah | you don't need a mailserver for that, just a client |
| 21:52.33 | bhuddah | something like mail or mailx |
| 21:52.58 | alusion | I have mail, and mailutils downloaded |
| 21:53.04 | alusion | is there any configuration necessary |
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| 21:53.31 | bhuddah | no. just the right command line options |
| 21:53.51 | bhuddah | and possibly network related stuff, if there are firewalls involved |
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| 21:56.48 | nhubbard | does anyone know of a guide for configuring efi boot with mdadm raid1 |
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| 22:07.37 | g0twig | howdy |
| 22:07.44 | g0twig | where is packaging |
| 22:07.57 | twostone | sent packing. |
| 22:08.03 | phogg | g0twig: not clear what you mean |
| 22:08.04 | twostone | try apt. |
| 22:08.26 | g0twig | I have a lintian problem with my package, I want to package it for Ubuntu. can I use an override? its pkg-has-shlibs-control-file-but-no-actual-shared-libs |
| 22:09.01 | twostone | That just went way over my head. I'm out. |
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| 22:09.34 | g0twig | twostone: thanks, I can use it ;P |
| 22:09.45 | g0twig | now I have to ask launchpad if they accept this for PPA's |
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| 22:10.17 | Will_Tampa | Hi all |
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| 22:10.52 | CheckDavid | Hello. I don't have audio on skype. Can this be solved? |
| 22:11.10 | CheckDavid | Simply put, I can't make or receive calls. |
| 22:11.50 | twostone | Hm, firewall issue or soundcard issue? |
| 22:12.33 | bhuddah | new enough version? |
| 22:13.13 | CheckDavid | I suppose sound card. |
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| 22:13.57 | CheckDavid | Not sure if new enough, it's version 4.2, so I guess yes. |
| 22:14.55 | twostone | Can you establish the connection to your counterpart at the other end and he/she just can't hear you and vice versa, or does skype fail in even creating the connection? |
| 22:15.02 | z127 | hi. the squeeze-backports version of libav-tools does not recognize libx264 for me. |
| 22:15.33 | twostone | skype's a nightmare for decent firewalls, though. |
| 22:15.34 | CheckDavid | Skype fails to establish the connection, and gives me a message saying something about audio codec |
| 22:15.58 | twostone | :) It's neither sound card nor network. |
| 22:16.00 | CheckDavid | When I try to call it says "Problem with Audio Playback" |
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| 22:17.11 | twostone | from here on it, that's where it gets difficult, for I haven't used skype in ages and can't tell which codecs it'll need... |
| 22:17.55 | CheckDavid | I don't know where I got the codec idea, now it's only says "Problem with Audio Playback" |
| 22:18.05 | CheckDavid | Not sure if it does say soemthing about codec in any other situation |
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| 22:18.37 | z127 | strange. ldd shows that avconv is linked to libx264, but it does not appear in -formats |
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| 22:22.33 | z127 | okay, problem solved. it shows up in -codecs, not formats. |
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| 22:34.15 | rsc33 | my usb started making files that begin with ~ they are copies of filese but have ~ before filenames, can this be virus? I transfer files with this usb from linux to windows and vise versa |
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| 22:35.12 | peterS | "You're receiving this website because you opted in to......" wtf? I received a _website_ now? |
| 22:35.20 | peterS | what's next, is someone going to award me an internet? |
| 22:35.48 | twostone | @rcs33: files beginning with ~ were probably just backup-copies created by for exaple gedit. |
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| 22:37.38 | rsc33 | I use gedit |
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| 22:37.51 | rsc33 | twostone sure no virus? ^^ |
| 22:38.25 | rsc33 | twostone are you sure man that it is no virus? |
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| 22:39.03 | twostone | why should it? gedit is known to create backup copies of files it opens starting with ~ |
| 22:41.29 | rsc33 | thank you nice |
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| 22:48.31 | ws2k3 | hello how can i edit the crontab of a user |
| 22:48.46 | koollman | crontab -u theuser -e |
| 22:49.00 | koollman | or just crontab -e, as the correct user |
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| 23:03.23 | TimeRider | anyone experience of proliant ml150 g3 servers? fan is doing my head in! |
| 23:03.35 | TimeRider | running wheezy btw |
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| 23:07.59 | twostone | Yeah, the g3s were a nightmare. |
| 23:08.37 | zz0 | hi all, im using debian squeeze here and just make another partition with cfdisk and udev dosent shows this new partition on /dev |
| 23:08.46 | twostone | HP's done a firmware CD for debian, to get control over that particular issue, but i think that started with the g4s. |
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| 23:09.29 | twostone | @zz0: sufo cfdisk /dev/sdX, where X is your harddrive. |
| 23:09.32 | twostone | Why udev? |
| 23:09.47 | zz0 | i already restart udev and udev-mtab |
| 23:09.57 | zz0 | sda |
| 23:10.05 | zz0 | twostone, sda |
| 23:10.05 | bhuddah | scsi rescan? |
| 23:10.21 | twostone | sudo partprobe then. |
| 23:10.28 | twostone | or similar. |
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| 23:11.41 | zz0 | in what package i can found this commands not found any one of this command here |
| 23:13.03 | twostone | whoa, this, i don't remember. Are you using a window manager? |
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| 23:14.30 | zz0 | twostone, if i dont use parted or partprobe how debian force-reload de scsi drivers in restart? by kernel detection only? |
| 23:15.43 | twostone | probably, although it is a bit late for me to remember exactly how. |
| 23:16.15 | twostone | Easiest way would be to probably use something like gparted, if it's nothing fancy you're after. |
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| 23:18.46 | twostone | you might be able to initiate a bus rescan, but how, I can't remember. That's what udev does for me. |
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| 23:24.47 | TimeRider | thanks for the replies guys - I been here before (the fans) and DID get em quiet.. Wish I'd stuck up a page with info - that was like 2 years ago.. oh well, back to the same old |
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| 23:28.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ appropriate for Debian infrastructure issues? |
| 23:29.34 | timss | I'm going to install debian on a SSD using LVM w/encryption using the installer. Is there anything I should know before doing this or is it pretty straight forward? (first time trying this) |
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| 23:40.19 | scoob_ | hey does anyone know where the config file is for lxterm?? can't find anything on google and lxterm disregards my .Xresources file |
| 23:40.53 | twostone | somewhere in .config maybe? |
| 23:41.04 | twostone | not using it, so i can't really tell. |
| 23:41.17 | timss | .config/.lxterminal or something I believe |
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| 23:45.09 | scoob_ | hmm whats the point of using lxterm over xterm? Just unicode support? |
| 23:46.00 | timss | I don't know, I prefer terminator. |
| 23:46.10 | bmomjian | I have a multi-format SATA card reader that works fine, but if I accidentally "safely remove" one of the devices, all the devices disappear, and I don't know how to remount it. How do I do that on Squeeze? |
| 23:47.22 | vlt | bmomjian: replug |
| 23:47.59 | bmomjian | the problem is that the multi-format reader is sata-cabled inside the cabinet; removing/reinserting the cards does not help |
| 23:47.59 | vlt | bmomjian: I’m trying for years now to find a more linuxy way |
| 23:48.39 | bmomjian | I am using sata-removable drives so I know that would work, if I could get to it |
| 23:48.48 | vlt | bmomjian: I even had to drive to a datacenter to replug a USB stick o_O |
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| 23:48.53 | bmomjian | wow |
| 23:49.08 | vlt | bmomjian: Deep insode me I KNOW KNOW KNOW that there must be a solution ;-) |
| 23:49.19 | vlt | *inside |
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| 23:53.27 | bmomjian | ok, so let's find a way; I know I have device names for my sata drives |
| 23:53.42 | bmomjian | they show up as mounted, and I can umount them and remove them |
| 23:53.51 | bmomjian | the reader must have a device name |
| 23:53.54 | bmomjian | but what is it? |
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| 23:56.15 | jned | I need to upgrade my system, but I'm afraid to break my apache setup, and I don't wanna spend two days trying to do it again |
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| 23:56.36 | jned | I just need to upgrade redis-server, is there a backport for it? |
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| 23:59.02 | jned | is this newer than what I have on debian squeeze https://chris-lamb.co.uk/posts/official-redis-packages-debian-squeeze |
| 23:59.08 | jned | How old is that document |
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