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| 00:00.28 | JordiGH | I'm rather upset with the state of compiz, and I really liked compiz from squeeze. Before I embark on a wild chase, any words of wisdom about forward porting the squeeze compiz packages to wheezy? |
| 00:02.21 | jned | JordiGH, me too, but it still better to have wheezy or squeeze, but maybe you can install squeeze and run wheezy in virtualbox, I might do that |
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| 00:02.50 | JordiGH | Going full squeeze for compiz and running wheezy in a vm seems a bit crazy. |
| 00:03.07 | JordiGH | And pointless, if you end up using wheezy, you still won't get compiz in wheezy. |
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| 00:03.37 | jned | JordiGH, but you think its gonna work the revers, going full wheezy and install squeeze on virtualbox, do you think compiz will work then? |
| 00:03.47 | JordiGH | I kinda wonder if the bugs I have with my backport of Ubuntu's compiz to wheezy would still exist if I forward-ported squeeze's compiz to wheezy. |
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| 00:04.56 | atomdream | i forgot your nickname |
| 00:04.56 | jned | JordiGH, yeah but it might be back after wheezy, I'd say they gonna get it in there eventually, but its obviously not sooner rather than later. You are right though, I am gonna get use to gnome, you can do same stuff in gnome, the stuff I like anyway |
| 00:05.27 | JordiGH | No, compiz is quite dead. |
| 00:05.31 | JordiGH | It's not coming back. |
| 00:05.34 | JordiGH | Development is dead. |
| 00:05.52 | JordiGH | The bugs I'm seeing are probably gnome+compiz interactions. |
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| 00:06.49 | JordiGH | But compiz itself mostly depends on X... and X has one of the stablest APIs, right? |
| 00:07.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does https://ftp-master.debian.org/ host any files? |
| 00:07.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wanted to get checksums safely. |
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| 00:07.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or heck, the entire download even. |
| 00:08.13 | rryoumaa | if you install the first netinst of wheezy (7.0 or whatever, not 7.1) now, is it vulnerable to any significant security issues? |
| 00:09.10 | rryoumaa | compiz is dead? it has a feature that i need, the zooming feature. can that be split out and used with other window managers? |
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| 00:12.49 | JordiGH | rryoumaa: The zooming, the scale, the vast customisability and plugin architecture... It can be used as a tiling window manager or as a clutter of windows... |
| 00:13.28 | rryoumaa | JordiGH: i just need the zooming feature |
| 00:13.50 | JordiGH | The zooming feature is great for accessibility. |
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| 00:14.01 | rryoumaa | it is necessary for accessibility |
| 00:14.20 | JordiGH | I have a near blind friend who uses Linux solely for compiz's zoom feature. It's a killer feature for him, no other OS has it as nice. |
| 00:14.30 | rryoumaa | osx has it |
| 00:14.36 | rryoumaa | but osx |
| 00:14.50 | JordiGH | With focus tracking? |
| 00:15.33 | JordiGH | And ability to zoom to a specific app? |
| 00:15.37 | JordiGH | And able to lock the zoom space? |
| 00:15.43 | JordiGH | and easy customisation of all keys? |
| 00:16.05 | rryoumaa | i don't know what that is. but you can zoom and move around and use the mouse and probably kb. compiz has /more/ features probably. |
| 00:16.42 | JordiGH | You can specify the zoom level in compiz, have pre-set zoom levels, and you can toggle mouse tracking on and off. |
| 00:16.59 | rryoumaa | but the biggest difference is not in the features (although a feature that would let you zoom a specific part of the screen when that part only appears when you hover the mouse over a different part of the screen would be extremely useful). the biggest difference is that compiz runs on linux. |
| 00:17.01 | JordiGH | And you can tell it to zoom to the size of the focused window. |
| 00:18.20 | Jarmer | what's everyone's favorite de? lxde? xfce? gnome? kde? |
| 00:18.27 | JordiGH | compiz |
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| 00:18.45 | rryoumaa | if i had to switch to a different distro just to get good font scaling, resolution scaling, and zooming, i would have to. but making people switch to osx would be evil. and debian should value accessibility. |
| 00:19.27 | gnarface | i think its clear debian values working software above accessibility |
| 00:19.42 | rryoumaa | what distro can i move to then? |
| 00:20.03 | gnarface | one that is on topic in another channel |
| 00:20.07 | rryoumaa | i really don't want to use anything except debian, but if others are better for accessibility in necessary ways i might have no choice |
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| 00:20.24 | JordiGH | You have a choice to live a life without computers, don't be dramatic. |
| 00:20.43 | rryoumaa | fair enough. but is accessibility in the social contract? where would i go to ask that it be put there? |
| 00:21.19 | gnarface | i'm still not sure "compiz full desktop zooming" would qualify for accessiblity just because you want it to even if it were in there |
| 00:21.47 | gnarface | i mean, what's stopping you from building the latest compiz ? |
| 00:21.55 | rryoumaa | gnarface: if you can set resolution and font scaling to work, then you don't need zooming. but if debian leaves cases where those do not work well enough, that is an accessbility need. |
| 00:22.21 | gnarface | rryoumaa: you should try enlightenment |
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| 00:22.35 | rryoumaa | i suppose the idea is that users shouldn't have to use non-debian software in order to get basic accessbility. |
| 00:22.51 | rryoumaa | gnarface: thanks, i will consider it. why? |
| 00:22.53 | gnarface | rryoumaa: also you should make sure you've set X to your screen's native DPI manually ; it often guesses wrong and this can hinder font readabilty and scaling |
| 00:23.27 | twostone | @gnarface: kwin eincorporates most compiz features minus the easy setup tool. |
| 00:23.29 | gnarface | but i suggest enlightenment primarily at this moment because on your first startup of it, it asks you what scale you want the fonts set to |
| 00:23.59 | rryoumaa | that's a great decision |
| 00:24.08 | rryoumaa | i am going to set dpi in xorg.conf i think. but most things break when it is very high. |
| 00:24.20 | Jarmer | just curious: what's the easiest way to get run e17 on debian? |
| 00:24.23 | gnarface | enlightenment IS actually all about accessibility, though they also may have a somewhat different definition than you |
| 00:24.38 | gnarface | Jarmer: a relatively recent version is currently in sid |
| 00:25.27 | gnarface | rryoumaa: you don't want your DPI to be too high or too low. you want it to be exactly set to the physical DPI of your display, for maximum readability and reliable/sane sizing of fonts |
| 00:25.58 | gnarface | rryoumaa: if you don't set it, its likely to default to 96, which is a sane default but generally too low to match most modern displays correctly |
| 00:26.23 | gnarface | many people don't even notice, but you, like me, seem picky about the font sizes being right and the glyphs clear |
| 00:26.27 | rryoumaa | gnarface: there exist people for whom physical dpi is insufficient |
| 00:26.43 | Jarmer | sorry, kinda a noob, what's sid? |
| 00:26.52 | gnarface | Jarmer: debian unstable |
| 00:26.54 | rryoumaa | if you mean by "picky" "needs fonts to be readable at all in any way whatsoever" |
| 00:26.57 | Jarmer | ah okay |
| 00:27.23 | gnarface | rryoumaa: well, i've seen corner cases where the fonts can become unreadable at some scale settings if your DPI is too low |
| 00:27.41 | gnarface | rryoumaa: usually that's only a problem with smaller displays |
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| 00:27.47 | rryoumaa | gnarface: no, i mean unreadable because they are too small. remember that ther are different kinds of people who use computers, and not all can use small fonts. |
| 00:28.41 | rryoumaa | i agree it's good to have high quality fonts. however, i am going for any fonts that allow the computer to be used. that's a low bar to set. |
| 00:28.45 | gnarface | rryoumaa: yea, i know what you mean. i've seen them get so small they're literally unreadable by any person because the dpi is so wrong that there aren't enough pixels to pt size to draw a recognizable letter |
| 00:29.05 | rryoumaa | i am referring to when there ARE enough pixels |
| 00:29.17 | gnarface | rryoumaa: but what i'm saying is you should not address that with DPI alone. you should make your DPI *correct* for the display and then use the window manager and toolkit features for further adjustment if necessary |
| 00:29.44 | gnarface | rryoumaa: one of my complaints with gnome was also that it seemed hard to get it to stop trying to second guess me on font scaling |
| 00:29.52 | rryoumaa | it is insufficient. zooming is a necessity. |
| 00:29.55 | gnarface | rryoumaa: some of that may be an issue with gtk |
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| 00:30.25 | gnarface | rryoumaa: also, you know this isn't like, a new problem or anything |
| 00:30.35 | gnarface | rryoumaa: there is a console util called 'mag' you might want to look into |
| 00:30.49 | gnarface | rryoumaa: sorry, xmag i meant |
| 00:31.17 | gnarface | rryoumaa: there are probably many variations on it, that's just the oldest one i can think of |
| 00:31.50 | rryoumaa | xmag is inflexible. i am looking for alternatives. all i need for basic functionality is mouse wheel zooming with clicking and ability to use. that will still not work for some cases, but it will get most. |
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| 00:34.11 | rryoumaa | if all fonts on debian (i really mean all) honored dpi as a font scaling factor, or a separate font scaling factor, then i'd be quite happy |
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| 00:38.33 | gnarface | its the toolkits you're mad at |
| 00:38.37 | gnarface | they're not all the same |
| 00:38.51 | gnarface | and sometimes themes for them break stuff more if they're improperly composed |
| 00:39.24 | gnarface | rryoumaa: also, a quick googling suggests that people have ported the compiz zoom feature you're talking about to enlightenment already |
| 00:39.41 | gnarface | rryoumaa: you may need to install it as an extra module, but it appears to exist in the wild |
| 00:39.50 | rryoumaa | (clarification: when i said "all i need for basic functionality" i was only referring to zooming. i also need dpi / scaling factor to be respected in all of debian) |
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| 00:41.03 | rryoumaa | hmm, i hope enlightnment will meet my other needs. if so, great. (all i really need is a lightweight window manager, but accessibility means you can uset he computer at all so it takes priority over preferences) |
| 00:41.34 | rryoumaa | zooming is just a hack to work around a few of the remaining issues /if/ you fix most of them |
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| 00:43.36 | gnarface | well enlightenment will scale fonts correctly based on the dpi if the dpi is correct |
| 00:43.49 | gnarface | but for qt or gtk applications running within enlightenment, it can't do anything about them |
| 00:43.52 | rryoumaa | i doubt that works for all programs |
| 00:43.54 | gnarface | they will have to be set on their own |
| 00:44.10 | gnarface | and if you have a ~/.gtkrc with some whack-ass font settings in it nothing will save you |
| 00:44.15 | rryoumaa | i won't even use any of enlightenment's programs, only the panel and window manager |
| 00:44.49 | gnarface | also, probably if you're using non-truetype fonts, that could be a problem. some of the older font formats dont support scaling |
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| 00:45.59 | rryoumaa | how do i go about using the ones that do? |
| 00:46.12 | rryoumaa | (and to /very/ high scaling factors) |
| 00:46.30 | rryoumaa | i will install every font on debian if i have to |
| 00:47.53 | gnarface | most of the truetype fonts are now in packages named "ttf-*" |
| 00:48.20 | gnarface | you usually don't need all of them |
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| 00:48.52 | gnarface | just a couple of the more popular ones that are similarly proportioned to the microsoft core fonts, and at least one with a full set of unicode glyphs for non-US content |
| 00:49.28 | gnarface | it is rare these days for any programs to even still be capable of falling back on the old font types |
| 00:50.20 | gnarface | my guess is your problems come from the fact you are assuming there is only one place to set your font size when its in fact different for every single one of the competing toolkits, and individual themes for said toolkits are typically of very widely mixed quality |
| 00:51.03 | rryoumaa | where do i go to set everything in the smallest number of places to get the effect of an extremely high dpi? |
| 00:51.38 | rryoumaa | i.e. where do i go to find out about all the different places |
| 00:51.50 | gnarface | well your window manager will have its own |
| 00:52.24 | gnarface | but gtk 1, 2 and 3 all have discrete settings |
| 00:52.26 | gnarface | as does qt |
| 00:52.40 | gnarface | and if your window manager is not gnome or kde, then you'll probably have to set those separately |
| 00:53.20 | gnarface | gnome's native tools should alter at least gtk2/3 depending on your version though i think (since that's its native toolkit) and kde uses qt in a similar fashion, i believe |
| 00:53.30 | rryoumaa | is there a website someplace that says how to set all of them? i will try kde if i have to, and if it sets all of them, but my fear is it's another layer of complexity that will second guess me on various things; i'd rather go to the sources. |
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| 00:54.02 | gnarface | there is not as far as i know one single website that documents this but if you find one i'm sure this channel would love the link |
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| 00:54.35 | gnarface | kde will likely ignore gtk |
| 00:54.39 | gnarface | and gnome will likely ignore qt |
| 00:54.48 | gnarface | enlightenment will ignore both |
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| 00:55.36 | gnarface | it may be better to identify first the toolkits used by the specific appliations you use |
| 00:55.54 | gnarface | if they are all using gtk for example, and none use qt, then you don't even have to worry about qt |
| 00:56.17 | gnarface | and if you want a window manager who is using the same toolkit all your applications do, then in that case it would be a bad idea to use kde |
| 00:56.37 | rryoumaa | gnarface: i can't predict in advance which applications i will never have a use for |
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| 00:57.09 | gnarface | rryoumaa: well unfortunately i can't either |
| 00:58.12 | gnarface | rryoumaa: most applications use qt or gtk. probably the theme defaults for those two toolkits can be overridden in ~/.something files |
| 00:58.41 | rryoumaa | and they both respect dpi? |
| 00:58.59 | gnarface | everything inherits DPI from the X server if you bother to set it |
| 00:59.08 | gnarface | you just need to make sure its not too small |
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| 00:59.14 | bluesm_ | https://gist.github.com/bluesm/6325352 |
| 00:59.23 | bluesm_ | What form this could be storage |
| 00:59.23 | bluesm_ | ? |
| 00:59.33 | bluesm_ | Where there is actual used partition ? |
| 00:59.48 | rryoumaa | gnarface: i couldn't determine whether you have to use displaysize in xorg.conf or if dpi will work no matter what |
| 00:59.59 | rryoumaa | or maybe you have to set both? |
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| 01:00.21 | gnarface | bluesm_: that looks like the contents of someone's /dev directory. its a tmpfs volume mounted entirely in ram, there is no actual used partition |
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| 01:01.09 | bluesm_ | gnarface: But I can save files permanently. |
| 01:01.36 | gnarface | bluesm_: also, nothing in there looks named like a physical disk. maybe it is diskless but that usually means changes are saved somewhere externally automatically on shutdown |
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| 01:01.51 | bluesm_ | gnarface: I try to recover file that i accidentaly removed |
| 01:02.03 | bluesm_ | grep -b 'index.html' /dev/ptyp0 > file.txt |
| 01:02.12 | bluesm_ | gnarface: It's VPNs server |
| 01:02.39 | gnarface | bluesm_: i can tell. this is confusing to you because it has no physical disk? |
| 01:02.50 | bluesm_ | i mean "/dev/partition" |
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| 01:03.10 | bluesm_ | gnarface: There is no way to find out where are saved files ? |
| 01:03.34 | gnarface | bluesm_: maybe check /etc/mtab, but since it is a virtual server, the files may be saved somewhere you can't see |
| 01:03.37 | bluesm_ | gnarface: I mean if I save "something.txt" there is no way to find out where is it ? |
| 01:04.21 | gnarface | bluesm_: mabye i misunderstand your question. are you looking for this? "find / -iname something.txt" |
| 01:04.26 | bluesm_ | gnarface: https://gist.github.com/bluesm/6325375 |
| 01:04.46 | bluesm_ | gnarface: No I accidentally "rm'owed file" |
| 01:04.59 | bluesm_ | gnarface: That was named "index.html" |
| 01:05.04 | Dwarf | Afternoon, I use Debian Wheezy with MATE, and I find myself with a theme called "adwaita" but when I choose it it tells me that "this theme will not look as intended because the required window manager theme 'adwaita' is not installed." |
| 01:05.10 | gnarface | bluesm_: it says all your files are on this one: /dev/simfs / simfs rw,relatime,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 |
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| 01:06.23 | gnarface | rryoumaa: no displaysize is to make it guess based on the resolution and physical measurements of the screen. if you set DPI explicitly you should not set displaysize |
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| 01:07.03 | rryoumaa | great, nice to know dpi will work. i got the impression sometimes it didn't hold, beacuse it only worked for some drivers, or something. |
| 01:07.06 | AbigailBuccaneer | Dwarf, I believe Adwaita is GNOME 3's default theme, and so it seems likely that things would default to that even if it's not installed. Do you have *any* themes installed? |
| 01:07.29 | Dwarf | Quite a bunch, but strangely not the default theme it seems |
| 01:07.43 | Dwarf | I tried searching for adwaita with apt-cache but there were no results |
| 01:08.37 | gnarface | rryoumaa: i don't know anything about that but its easy to imagine thinking such a thing were the case if you didn't know toolkits all have their own font settings. it doesn't help that some applications like firefox for example have at least in the past had their own local dpi setting to override the system one |
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| 01:09.17 | rryoumaa | why would toolkits ignore the x server's dpi? (and thanks for mentioning firefox. does it use a toolkit now? iceweasel of course.) |
| 01:09.39 | DNS | Dwarf: maybe its in the package gnome-themes or gnome-themes-extra |
| 01:09.44 | gnarface | rryoumaa: i just added '-dpi 101' (after consulting my display manual to find out its official physical DPI according to the manufacturer) to the startx command line in this file: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 01:09.49 | Dwarf | Both are installed, DNS |
| 01:09.51 | gnarface | rryoumaa: that worked for me great. your mileage may vary |
| 01:09.52 | DNS | k |
| 01:09.57 | rryoumaa | gnarface: try 192 now |
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| 01:10.04 | rryoumaa | or 280 |
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| 01:11.11 | gnarface | rryoumaa: uh, firefox/iceweasel/mozilla has always used GTK. i *think* they removed the DPI slider it had a long time ago, but i'm honestly not sure |
| 01:11.17 | rryoumaa | and then try a variety of applications and a variety of menus in them and in a variety of wm |
| 01:11.26 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 01:11.36 | gnarface | well they are all supposed to be using the system menu |
| 01:11.43 | rryoumaa | so i need to find out how to change gtk's font scaler or dpi setting i guess for that |
| 01:11.45 | gnarface | but some ship with different defaults |
| 01:11.57 | rryoumaa | i mean try the font sizes for the menus |
| 01:12.09 | gnarface | oh, that you'd set in the gtk theme |
| 01:12.18 | gnarface | or, actually more likely override in your per-user gtk config |
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| 01:12.28 | rryoumaa | right, how do i do that? |
| 01:12.39 | rryoumaa | just man ~/.gtkrc? |
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| 01:12.59 | gnarface | well yes, but .gtkrc is for gtk 1.x |
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| 01:13.07 | gnarface | iceweasel is on gtk 2x |
| 01:13.16 | gnarface | so the actual file for that is ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 01:13.34 | gnarface | but on debian the custom is to put a default in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and include ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine inside it |
| 01:13.44 | nutron | Is there a system-wide default I can set to tell the computer to hibernate after x seconds? |
| 01:13.53 | gnarface | so really you want to check your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to see if it refers to ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine, and if it does edit that instead |
| 01:14.06 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 01:14.36 | rryoumaa | is there a reason why gtk does not just use the x server's dpi and resolution settings? |
| 01:14.37 | gnarface | gtk 3 is coming out and stuff is already switching to that (not iceweasel yet though as far as i can tell) |
| 01:14.44 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 01:15.03 | gnarface | it does use the xserver's dpi and resolution to determine its scaling for the font size you give it |
| 01:15.10 | gnarface | its the font size that it uses its own value for |
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| 01:15.51 | bluesm_ | gnarface: It's probably VPN with shared hhd |
| 01:16.05 | gnarface | bluesm_: yes, that is my assumption |
| 01:16.34 | bluesm_ | gnarface: grep: /dev/simfs: Brak dostępu ( "Brak dostępu" means "access denied") |
| 01:16.42 | rryoumaa | gnarface: ok, so it's sort of a tweak on the tweak. i can tolerate that. much better than doing every application separately. |
| 01:16.45 | bluesm_ | gnarface: And then it closes connection with VPN :P |
| 01:17.02 | bluesm_ | gnarface: When I try to read whole simfs |
| 01:17.03 | gnarface | bluesm_: heh. damn. |
| 01:17.03 | rryoumaa | xterm always uses a tiny font no matter what |
| 01:17.11 | bluesm_ | gnarface: ? |
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| 01:17.29 | bluesm_ | gnarface: To be honest fortunately i had cached version of this file in the browser :) |
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| 01:17.49 | gnarface | bluesm_: i'm sorry, but i cannot help with the weirdness of your VM |
| 01:17.57 | Posterdati | hi |
| 01:18.12 | gnarface | bluesm_: there are many weird types of VM out there with strange super strict security on /dev |
| 01:18.19 | bluesm_ | gnarface: Ok. No problem. Thank you for your time :) |
| 01:18.51 | gnarface | bluesm_: good luck |
| 01:19.13 | gnarface | bluesm_: you tried as root right? |
| 01:19.50 | gnarface | rryoumaa: xterm is terrible. use urxvt |
| 01:19.52 | bluesm_ | gnarface: Yes as root. :] |
| 01:20.12 | bluesm_ | gnarface: I recovered this file anyway :) I had it cached in my local browser :) |
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| 01:21.10 | Dwarf | So ehm |
| 01:21.17 | Dwarf | Nobody knows where my adwaita theme went? |
| 01:21.26 | gnarface | rryoumaa: you use emacs? there are other neat things you can override in your ~/.gtkrc* files, like the linehandling behavior in text fields: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
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| 01:21.57 | rryoumaa | gnarface: yes, i use emacs |
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| 01:22.19 | gnarface | rryoumaa: (that for example, will make ctrl-a/ctrl-e do what home/end normally do) |
| 01:23.04 | gnarface | at first i found it abrasive that bash defaulted to emacs mode but gtk by default behaves like windows |
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| 01:23.15 | gnarface | easy enough to correct, luckily |
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| 01:30.59 | Dwarf | Afternoon, I use Debian Wheezy with MATE, and I find myself with a theme called "adwaita" but when I choose it it tells me that "this theme will not look as intended because the required window manager theme 'adwaita' is not installed." |
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| 01:32.50 | anonnumberanon | have you tried installing it? |
| 01:33.21 | Dwarf | I searched with apt-cache but it doesn't find anything for "adwaita" |
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| 01:34.55 | anonnumberanon | google it |
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| 01:36.44 | Dwarf | Google is quite useless actually |
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| 01:38.31 | Dwarf | That's why I came here but it seems that 1200 people are clueless |
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| 01:40.28 | anonnumberanon | yes |
| 01:41.23 | anonnumberanon | what did you find adwaita to be a part of? |
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| 01:42.54 | Dwarf | To my knowledge adwaita comes with debian |
| 01:43.05 | Dwarf | One of the standard GTK3 themes, that is |
| 01:45.19 | anonnumberanon | reinstall gtk 3 maybe? |
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| 02:17.11 | deego | Ah, looks like the bot dpkg recommends using apt-get instead of aptitute for squeeze->wheezy.. |
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| 03:03.55 | gumnos | Running Wheezy, every time I run aptitude, there's nothing in the Available Upgrades section. I find this disconcerting, as with Squeeze I regularly had a couple packages in there every week. Have there really been no updates to Wheezy in a month or two? |
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| 03:04.56 | cast | have you run aptitude update prior? |
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| 03:06.48 | gumnos | cast: yeah, I run {aptitude,apt-get} update prior and get successful hits each time (everything appears to be up-to-date) |
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| 03:08.44 | gumnos | normally I'd expect to see available updates in aptitude which is just weirding me out to have gone this long without any sort of updates |
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| 03:08.56 | cast | only thing i can think of is your mirrors aren't up to date,though if you have security.debian.org that seems unusual |
| 03:09.14 | cast | i notice i have an update for ruby1.9.1, whats your available version? |
| 03:09.27 | cast | Get: 1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main ruby1.9.1 amd64 1.9.3.194-8.1+deb7u1 [208 kB] |
| 03:09.51 | cast | ponders the odds of accidently putting all your package on hold |
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| 03:11.18 | gumnos | I've got ruby 1.9.3.194-8.1+ installed (can't exactly tell if it's "+deb7u1") |
| 03:12.38 | cast | you know....i've never noticed a +deb7u1 type version spec before |
| 03:12.42 | gumnos | I can provide the 3 germane lines (= non-"-src" lines) from my /etc/apt/sources.list if needed, but they're pretty basic |
| 03:12.58 | cast | another possibility, things are autoupdating through some mechanism? |
| 03:13.58 | gumnos | Could be a possibility, but I'm unfamiliar with what would do that. My "crontab -e" reports no jobs running as root (i.e., everything in the sample file is commented out). |
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| 03:16.22 | gumnos | and nothing stands out in my /etc/cron.*/* or my /etc/anacrontab |
| 03:17.27 | gumnos | and /var/log/apt/history.log doesn't show anything beyond my usual "apt-get install" entries |
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| 03:20.14 | Violate | hey |
| 03:20.23 | Violate | what's that webservice to upload a error log |
| 03:20.26 | Violate | to that paste thing |
| 03:20.33 | Violate | I starts with wget I believe |
| 03:20.51 | Gonzalo | I am trying to upgrade from my Squeeze to Wheezy and I keep getting the error The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:20.51 | Gonzalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.16 | Gonzalo | Any idea how to solve this dependency problem? |
| 03:21.35 | gumnos | scratches head and heads to bed hoping sleep will help him track down the update issue |
| 03:21.51 | Violate | Anyone renember the service to upload your error logs. |
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| 03:24.43 | cast | paste thing was in the topic :\ |
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| 03:58.24 | milo64 | my hdd keeps spinning when anything happens, is this normal? |
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| 03:59.27 | cast | unless it's a SSD, it should spin anytime anything involving IO happens |
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| 04:01.59 | cast | vmstat -d 10, and watch what IO is happening perhaps, or alternatively iostat |
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| 04:05.49 | milo64 | k cast |
| 04:06.12 | milo64 | it just keeps spinning like every 5 seconds |
| 04:06.21 | milo64 | it's pretty unusual |
| 04:06.36 | milo64 | because it does that even while I am typing here or doing nothing at all |
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| 04:22.23 | thowe | Hi. I just got a GeForce card and installed the drivers per the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 04:23.01 | thowe | Vidio seems to work fine so far, but I no longer have sound. And now running alsamixer says cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 04:31.47 | thowe | It looks like it thinks it should use the HDMI as the audio output. How do I change that? |
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| 04:39.39 | Stevie-O | greetings |
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| 04:52.13 | jgiorgi | attempting an install on a fake-RAID, i've added dmraid=true to the bootloader before running install but the partition editor is not detecting the array |
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| 04:53.39 | keyzs | debian gives me kernel linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0.4-amd64 option on install, wich one is more up to date? |
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| 04:57.03 | lns | keyzs, linux-image-amd64 is a meta-package, which pulls the latest version of the linux kernel down for you to enjoy. |
| 04:57.37 | keyzs | so why shows up the other kernel? |
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| 04:58.37 | lns | not sure tbh |
| 04:58.49 | keyzs | ok |
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| 05:00.33 | jgiorgi | it seems that the hybrid-iso live disc does not include the dmraid module, i have to use that iso because i'm running off a flash drive, can i add the module manually? |
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| 05:03.47 | Nahiyan | so umm |
| 05:04.00 | Nahiyan | I'm running debian in a VM and I removed and re-added NICs |
| 05:04.41 | Nahiyan | .. the device I have now is eth2 and there is no eth1 or eth0.. |
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| 05:04.57 | Nahiyan | Can I have it back at eth0? D: |
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| 05:05.48 | Coburn | Nahiyan: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/perist-net |
| 05:05.50 | Coburn | or something |
| 05:05.54 | Coburn | loko in udev under /etc |
| 05:05.55 | Nahiyan | okay |
| 05:06.08 | Nahiyan | I saw that file but I didn't know what to do with it |
| 05:06.18 | Coburn | just move it elsewhere and reboot |
| 05:06.22 | Coburn | eth0 will be back |
| 05:06.23 | Nahiyan | k |
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| 05:06.32 | Coburn | udev changes the eth iface based on MAC |
| 05:06.45 | Coburn | it's rather silly, it should be done otherways |
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| 05:06.50 | Nahiyan | I've noticed |
| 05:06.51 | Nahiyan | :D |
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| 05:07.23 | slixz85 | SURELY YOU ALL HAVE TROLLS. newly created channel #trollcombat and oh yeah you fuckin trolls better come |
| 05:07.25 | mjsmith | no more #debian-sparc ? :o |
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| 05:07.38 | slixz85 | #trollcombat places trolls in a spot so others can be productive! |
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| 05:08.01 | Nahiyan | That was quick.. |
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| 05:08.19 | Nahiyan | Coburn, woo it worked! Thanks! :D |
| 05:08.52 | themill | mjsmith: it's over on irc.oftc.net (but no, it's probably not that active) |
| 05:09.05 | mjsmith | themill, alright thanks |
| 05:10.23 | Coburn | no probs Nahiyan |
| 05:10.34 | Nahiyan | :p |
| 05:10.41 | Coburn | been there myself and it's annoying but without udev life's hard |
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| 05:12.01 | Nahiyan | okay now uh, I've added routes and an address.. |
| 05:12.20 | Nahiyan | and I can now only ping my gateway *.1 but not the host.. |
| 05:12.55 | Coburn | I'm not sure if the VM can talk to the host directly |
| 05:13.09 | Coburn | you may need to ping the IP in the net range |
| 05:13.09 | Nahiyan | the host and guest are in the same subnet, guest's NIC is running with macvtap in bridged mopde |
| 05:13.21 | Nahiyan | hmm? |
| 05:13.33 | Coburn | bridged mode? |
| 05:13.38 | Coburn | then it would be sharing IPs.. |
| 05:13.55 | Nahiyan | I thought it would just switch packets in layer 2 |
| 05:14.51 | Nahiyan | umm.. so.. uh, how would I get it to switch packets in layer 2? I've tried to do it for a bit.. |
| 05:15.16 | Nahiyan | I can't NAT because it's running as a server |
| 05:16.18 | mjsmith | themill, so yes that channel is dead. can i paste an image here? it will describe my problem doing a serial install more than any words |
| 05:17.11 | themill | mjsmith: you can try somewhere like picpaste.com -- if it's hardware specific you might struggle to get answers on irc at all for uncommon hardware |
| 05:17.27 | Nahiyan | imgur for image hosting |
| 05:17.40 | mjsmith | themill, i believe it might just be terminal settings related but who knows. http://s17.postimg.org/6dtgjkupr/osx.jpg |
| 05:17.49 | themill | fun |
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| 05:19.06 | themill | mjsmith: are you wanting it to use some language other than english? |
| 05:19.14 | mjsmith | themill, nope |
| 05:19.17 | rryoumaa | what was the deal with compiz? is it going away in jessie or something? |
| 05:19.26 | themill | rryoumaa: it's dead, jim |
| 05:20.16 | themill | mjsmith: that the characters "USB" are ok and the line-drawing is ok makes me think it's not a serial connection problem (or at least not that sort of problem) |
| 05:20.35 | mjsmith | themill, yes the serial port settings are correct (9800,8,n,1) |
| 05:21.15 | themill | is the terminal encoding set correctly on the terminal client? |
| 05:21.24 | mjsmith | themill, ya im going to check that right now |
| 05:21.32 | mjsmith | themill, its osx so who knows what dumb things its doing |
| 05:21.46 | themill | it'd have to be very wrong to get it that screwed up though |
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| 05:35.58 | mjsmith | themill, yep just some weird osx terminal settings. even after changing to vt100 and ansi it did nothing. working fine in putty though |
| 05:36.16 | themill | hah |
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| 05:39.14 | irunwithscissors | hey guys if I have install the talk and talkd packages on my system, then I type talk user, how does that user see they have been invited to a chat and/or join the chat |
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| 05:56.38 | jgiorgi | i'm getting an error that dmraid is looking for raid45 module, it isnt looking for raid456 which is there, i see a bug report that this was fixed and i seem to be using a newer version, how can i fix this (note that I'm still trying to install so i need to either pack the raid45 module or a replacement dmraid into the iso) |
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| 06:00.54 | rhineheart_m | Hi |
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| 06:04.13 | rryoumaa | irunwithscissors: there should be a notification in the terminal |
| 06:04.24 | rryoumaa | if not then that user turned it offf |
| 06:05.38 | rryoumaa | gnarface: thanks for your comments. i will have to try a bunch of things. i think i did that emacs keybinding trick long ago. it is great that it still works, assuming it was gtk and not another toolkit i did it for. |
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| 06:09.59 | phantomcircuit | im runnign lenny and having trouble installing the TARPIT module from xtables-addon-common |
| 06:10.14 | phantomcircuit | the module is there /lib/xtables/libxt_TARPIT.so |
| 06:10.39 | phantomcircuit | but iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 06:10.48 | phantomcircuit | the rule works replaceing -j TARPIT with -j DROP |
| 06:11.04 | mumpitze1 | do you have a kernel module for this tarpit? |
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| 06:13.18 | phantomcircuit | mumixam, iirc xtables loads xtables.ko |
| 06:13.26 | phantomcircuit | which then loads the specific filter module .so |
| 06:13.31 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 06:13.38 | mumpitze1 | a kernel cannot load a shared library |
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| 06:14.36 | phantomcircuit | mumpitze1, hmm then no |
| 06:14.53 | mumpitze1 | why are you still using lenny? |
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| 06:15.57 | phantomcircuit | mumpitze1, i guess i could upgrade |
| 06:16.00 | phantomcircuit | why not |
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| 06:16.30 | mumpitze1 | you should upgrade. lenny has be EOL for years |
| 06:16.31 | mumpitze1 | !lenny |
| 06:16.32 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 06:16.43 | mumpitze1 | ok, not "years" but still a long time ago |
| 06:16.53 | phantomcircuit | actually |
| 06:16.57 | mumpitze1 | phantomcircuit: upgrade to squeeze, then to wheezy |
| 06:17.01 | phantomcircuit | know what this is squeeze |
| 06:17.07 | phantomcircuit | but /etc/debian_version is old |
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| 06:17.22 | phantomcircuit | oooh i see the problem |
| 06:17.29 | phantomcircuit | this is running an xen kernel |
| 06:17.30 | phantomcircuit | hmm |
| 06:17.42 | phantomcircuit | possibly i have run into this issue before and forgot i had |
| 06:17.58 | phantomcircuit | mumpitze1, nvm thanks for assisting |
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| 06:24.53 | edlinde | Hi all, I need to run some long-running experiments on a Debian server at my university, but I would like to run it so that even if the terminal is closed, this process keeps running, and I can monitor the output as it goes along from home |
| 06:25.01 | edlinde | I know there is a command to do thos |
| 06:25.05 | edlinde | *this |
| 06:25.08 | edlinde | but I forget it |
| 06:25.35 | edlinde | I was using nohup earlier, but then I cannot see the progress and where exactly the process is at |
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| 06:27.47 | edlinde | any ideas? |
| 06:28.05 | mjsmith | edlinde, use screen |
| 06:28.31 | edlinde | mjsmith: is there a simple tutorial that shows how to use it? |
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| 06:29.12 | mjsmith | basically start by typing 'screen' that will launch a new shell. start your program. use ctrl+a d to detach the screen so you can log out and leave. to reattach do screen -x |
| 06:29.23 | mjsmith | beyond that man screen :p |
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| 06:30.49 | edlinde | so the thing is that I use VPN from home and I would like the process to keep running on the terminal at work |
| 06:31.13 | mjsmith | that will keep it running |
| 06:31.43 | mjsmith | edlinde, you can have the screen session attached in multiple places at the same time |
| 06:31.45 | mjsmith | edlinde, or have it running without being attached at all |
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| 06:32.03 | edlinde | so I just have to say "screen" at work, run my process in this new shell, detach it using "ctrl+a d" … and then just type "screen -x" at home when I connect with vpn? |
| 06:32.25 | mjsmith | edlinde, exactly. ssh back into the machine and screen -x |
| 06:32.42 | mjsmith | edlinde, if you have multiple screens it will print out a list. then you just screen -x <number> |
| 06:32.42 | edlinde | hmm and can I run multiple such screens? |
| 06:32.47 | mjsmith | ^^ |
| 06:32.54 | edlinde | cool |
| 06:33.00 | edlinde | sounds simple enough |
| 06:33.03 | edlinde | :) |
| 06:33.14 | mjsmith | theres a lot more functionality than that but those are the basics |
| 06:33.21 | mjsmith | enough to get you going |
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| 06:34.26 | edlinde | I am just not sure what a "detach" and "Attach" means really |
| 06:35.01 | edlinde | I mean when I am running the process using screen and then saying "detach".. will the current session on my terminal stay the same? |
| 06:35.05 | mjsmith | edlinde, just try it out locally. start top or something then detach it and log out. log back in and reattach |
| 06:35.54 | edlinde | I am not on my work machine yet |
| 06:35.59 | edlinde | but yeah I can try that out |
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| 06:36.18 | edlinde | it says I can use the detach command from another terminal. |
| 06:36.23 | edlinde | how do I get the screen id then? |
| 06:36.42 | mjsmith | edlinde, screen -x will reattach if theres only one, if theres more than one it will print a list |
| 06:36.58 | mjsmith | edlinde, in which case you screen -x <number> |
| 06:37.00 | edlinde | no I mean to detach |
| 06:37.20 | edlinde | so if I run say on terminal 1: screen ./myscript.sh |
| 06:37.54 | edlinde | then I can go on another terminal 2: and type in "Ctrl A+d"? |
| 06:38.16 | edlinde | or are you saying I must type this command in the terminal 1 itself? |
| 06:38.25 | mjsmith | edlinde, start by just typing screen. then a new shell will load. then ./myscript.sh. you can automate this but thats for man pages. |
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| 06:38.37 | mjsmith | edlinde, you detach from the current terminal youre one |
| 06:38.38 | mjsmith | on* |
| 06:38.58 | edlinde | ok i see |
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| 06:40.24 | edlinde | thanks mjsmith |
| 06:40.57 | edlinde | when you detach, do you stop seeing messages being spit out by the script on the current terminal? |
| 06:41.05 | edlinde | and you only see this when I attach again? |
| 06:41.06 | mjsmith | yes |
| 06:41.08 | mjsmith | yep |
| 06:41.12 | edlinde | ah i see |
| 06:41.18 | edlinde | get it then |
| 06:41.37 | edlinde | so I got to detach when I am done at work :) |
| 06:41.49 | mjsmith | yep :D |
| 06:42.20 | edlinde | nice! :) |
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| 06:58.41 | sett | trying to install wheezy but installation hangs and is very slow, console shows fd0 error but i have no floppy and no option to disable in in bios. any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 07:02.14 | bullgard4 | sett: Please report what installation method do you use. |
| 07:02.47 | sett | bullgard4 expert from cd1 |
| 07:03.23 | sett | from usb |
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| 07:03.47 | mjsmith | sett, i had a similar issue recently. I believe I solved it by blacklisting the floppy module module_name.blacklist=yes but i could've just forgot :) |
| 07:04.31 | sett | mjsmith does that work during the install? |
| 07:04.52 | mjsmith | sett, you pass that as a boot option http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 07:08.01 | sett | how do I know the exact module name? |
| 07:09.26 | mjsmith | sett, I believe it is just called 'floppy' |
| 07:09.26 | sett | will try now, thanks |
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| 07:16.51 | sett | mjsmith i get floppy,blacklist=yes not found |
| 07:17.41 | mjsmith | sett, did you do floppy.blacklist or floppy,blacklist? |
| 07:17.53 | sett | . |
| 07:17.57 | mjsmith | weird =\ |
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| 07:23.35 | sett | modprobe -r floppy sais module floppy is in use |
| 07:23.57 | mjsmith | sett, just grabbed an install iso. going to try to figure out how to blacklist the module on startup |
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| 07:27.01 | nu7hatch | hello! I'm having weird problem. When i'm logged in as root, i can list files in particular directory that belongs to another user, and the permissions of those files are shown correctly (correct user and group, correct chmod). But, when i log in as the owner of these files, i can't access them, and permissions/group/user are shown as '?????' o_O". Any ideas what can be wrong? |
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| 07:28.17 | mjsmith | sett, ya i get the same thing |
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| 07:30.05 | mjsmith | sett, maybe if you just unload it immediately the hanging will stop |
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| 07:31.03 | sett | mjsmith how? modprobe sais fatal, module in use. any other way to unload? |
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| 07:31.30 | sett | -f force key has no effect as well |
| 07:31.31 | mjsmith | sett, force unload it rmmod -f floppy |
| 07:31.37 | mjsmith | humm |
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| 07:32.49 | sett | wow that was evil, system hanged after that command |
| 07:33.51 | mjsmith | =\ |
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| 07:36.25 | jsonlee | when using debian, any way i can know the version (to be installed or installed) for a specific package? |
| 07:36.44 | ompaul | jsonlee: apt-cache policy packagenamegoeshere |
| 07:38.14 | jsonlee | ompaul: great thanks! i was looking such command for a while, but couldn't find the right one. That helps me a lot. : ) |
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| 07:39.28 | bullgard4 | jsonlee: An alternative solution is provided by the Synaptic program. |
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| 07:42.01 | jsonlee | bullgard4: that seems to be gui based. thanks for that, though i prefer command line. : ) |
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| 07:42.27 | jsonlee | because i can integrate into shell script. |
| 07:42.32 | babilen | jsonlee: What do you need the output for? |
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| 07:45.08 | jsonlee | babilen: i only need version information at the moment. but sometimes i want to automate the process (not this versioning issue), so with command line can just pipe, grep, sed, etc to solve my problem quicker. |
| 07:45.31 | jsonlee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.33 | babilen | jsonlee: yeah, sure - I am not in any way insinuating that using a GUI is advantageous, but was simply interested in what you plan to do with that information. It sometimes helps us to see the "bigger picture" when discussing possible solutions. (it does also satisfy my insatiable curiosity) |
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| 07:52.12 | jsonlee | babilen: i agree. personally i think there is no right/ wrong, superior/ inferior to use gui or command line. as long as users feel happy with it. and that's why i prefer linux + debian, it's free (and providing many tools) enough for me in my work. : ) |
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| 07:57.10 | ompaul | jsonlee: so just for fun and zero profit what have you in mind for apt-cache policy foo | whatgoeshere where we don't know what goes ehre :) |
| 07:57.12 | ompaul | or here |
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| 08:03.26 | jsonlee | ompaul: for finding version this case, it is just my problem that i couldn't find a good way to 1. find the version for a specific package 2. find where the package is installed to. |
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| 08:04.24 | babilen | jsonlee: What I and ompaul are actually asking is: Why do you need that information? What will you do with it? (also see "dpkg -L $PKG" for "where is it installed?") |
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| 08:04.44 | jsonlee | In the past I use dpkg -S keyword or I remember a command like grep-avail (name is wrong) which can reveal package information but i can't remember exactly now. |
| 08:04.49 | babilen | There might simply be a better way to do what you *actually* want to achieve in the first place. |
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| 08:06.02 | jsonlee | sorry my bad english. : ( basically i find an warning output shows that Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected |
| 08:06.25 | jsonlee | so i just want to find what version for my fontconfig version. and that's it. |
| 08:06.34 | babilen | jsonlee: There are many commands (apt-file, dpkg -S, dlocate, grep-dctrl (also grep-available), ...) and it really depends on what you want to do. |
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| 08:07.23 | babilen | jsonlee: That is not a problem with the fontconfig{,-config} *package* but with that particular font. It ships with a broken configuration file and should therefore be fixed. |
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| 08:08.46 | jsonlee | babilen: so i move those conf to conf.old suffix, then those warnings go away. |
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| 08:10.16 | jsonlee | the reason why i was checking how to find version is because in the past i couldn't find what command can do that when i read a guy on the interest posting about font config version who suffers from the same issue. and i think i should learn it this time. |
| 08:11.17 | jsonlee | thanks for kindly help. that's very touching. : ) |
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| 08:14.47 | yehoshua | ci siete |
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| 08:16.44 | yehoshua | hola |
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| 08:18.40 | yehoshua | siete qui |
| 08:19.12 | mumpitze1 | !it |
| 08:19.13 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 08:25.39 | yehoshua | ok io vado ciao |
| 08:26.13 | yehoshua | ciao Jena |
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| 08:30.11 | yehoshua | jena sono qui |
| 08:30.21 | Jena | ok |
| 08:30.37 | Jena | sei sabry ? |
| 08:30.55 | yehoshua | yea |
| 08:31.00 | Jena | ook |
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| 08:31.54 | Jena | yeho conosci Claudio ? |
| 08:32.09 | yehoshua | jena il segreto si combatte in segreto |
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| 08:36.41 | Tuxist | hi |
| 08:36.56 | pupil | hi :) |
| 08:37.16 | Tuxist | anyone start successfulley debian on amiga 1200 with aca 1232 ? |
| 08:37.28 | Tuxist | the problem is i got no screen |
| 08:37.57 | Tuxist | i have already tried to connect with a serial connection but i got nothing |
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| 08:39.24 | mjsmith | amiga 1200? whew that makes my sun blade install look less bizarre :D |
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| 08:40.37 | Tuxist | my amiga is hyperfast with 30mhz :-D |
| 08:40.42 | mjsmith | lol |
| 08:41.11 | Tuxist | i think the right machine for compiling |
| 08:42.02 | mjsmith | i dont know much about amigas but youre using a null modem cable right |
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| 08:55.04 | Technodrome | anyone know what the request per sec is for the main us debian repo? |
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| 08:57.20 | themill | Technodrome: it's a round robin of 4 mirrors and none of them are actually run by the debian project. They might have their own stats pages though |
| 08:57.26 | Technodrome | i'm just curious if anyone knows |
| 08:57.31 | Technodrome | i wonder if its above 20 request per sec |
| 09:00.34 | themill | Technodrome: http://128.61.240.89/stats/vnstat_daily.png is for 1 of the 4 mirrors |
| 09:01.21 | themill | (which only does debian; the other 3 mirrors also have lots of other things) |
| 09:02.12 | Technodrome | i guess we won't know the actual request per sec |
| 09:02.14 | Technodrome | but good enough |
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| 09:04.02 | Technodrome | but if the average rate is 49 mbit, we can guess most people are at least doing 800 kb's a second, with many probably doing much more |
| 09:04.09 | Technodrome | than its 5-10 request per sec |
| 09:04.30 | themill | Technodrome: the http.debian.net redirector isn't that widely used and is doing 50/s |
| 09:04.48 | Technodrome | 50 request per sec? |
| 09:04.53 | themill | yes |
| 09:04.58 | Technodrome | thats a huge amount |
| 09:05.15 | Technodrome | maybe a peak rate but i bet its below 20 for most times |
| 09:06.02 | themill | that's the daily average |
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| 09:06.26 | Technodrome | regardless, still fairly low traffic with today's hardware |
| 09:06.27 | Technodrome | pretty crazy |
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| 09:14.56 | Tuxist | mjsmith: yes |
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| 09:15.52 | Tuxist | amiboot start the kernel but i get than nothing looks like kernel problem |
| 09:16.13 | Tuxist | i have already tried 3.2 3.8 3.10 |
| 09:16.25 | mjsmith | Tuxist, did you pass a console= line? |
| 09:16.39 | Tuxist | yes |
| 09:16.46 | mjsmith | ya no idea then haha |
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| 09:17.04 | Tuxist | without succes i have used 9600n8 |
| 09:17.12 | mjsmith | last kernel that probably worked on amiga was like 2.2 :p |
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| 09:17.57 | Tuxist | i have made already a look into the kernel git |
| 09:18.09 | Tuxist | they are some amiga patches |
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| 09:19.44 | Tuxist | first i have think there is problem with fb but deactivate fb and use serial connection has not solve the problem |
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| 09:28.23 | armin | hi, shouldn't this be root:fuse and 660? crw------T 1 root root 10, 229 Aug 24 08:29 /dev/fuse |
| 09:32.49 | mumpitze1 | armin: unload your fuse module and reload it again? |
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| 09:35.42 | armin | mumpitze1: ah, thank you. |
| 09:36.16 | armin | will this be b0rked after the next reboot without further intervention from my side? |
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| 09:45.14 | CBro2007 | hi all, I have connected to a debian server and installed a text editor called sublime on there. but i think it needs to open a X window |
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| 09:45.26 | CBro2007 | how can I do this on Debian so that it opens up X on my local machine? |
| 09:45.47 | CBro2007 | I understand that I have to somehow redirect X packets or something along those lines? |
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| 09:47.16 | well_laid_lawn | you can try X forwarding through ssh |
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| 09:47.35 | CBro2007 | well_laid_lawn, how do I do that ? |
| 09:47.37 | well_laid_lawn | or use screen and vim |
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| 09:48.19 | CBro2007 | Do I need an X server running on the server (Debian) or on my local fedora machine? |
| 09:48.51 | musca | on the local machine |
| 09:48.56 | well_laid_lawn | there's lots of ssh X forwarding howto's on the net |
| 09:49.11 | well_laid_lawn | probably even a debian wiki page |
| 09:49.26 | CBro2007 | ah ok so the X server must be running locally on my laptop yeah? |
| 09:49.30 | well_laid_lawn | it's not hard - edit a couple of configs |
| 09:49.43 | musca | the clients run on the server and the server runs on the client, silly X11 |
| 09:49.52 | well_laid_lawn | it's way easier to learn vim |
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| 09:50.15 | well_laid_lawn | instead of try to use a gui editor over the net |
| 09:50.41 | CBro2007 | well_laid_lawn, I am not a fan of vim |
| 09:50.52 | well_laid_lawn | use nano then |
| 09:51.12 | musca | yes, X forwarding is too slow because of the latencies. |
| 09:51.20 | CBro2007 | i see |
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| 09:55.07 | Roland- | hello i see I have installed apache 2 /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.list and I can't remove it |
| 09:55.34 | Roland- | Package 'apache2.2-common' is not installed, so not removed |
| 09:55.41 | Roland- | but it's there, the files are present |
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| 09:55.50 | mumpitze1 | Roland-: dpkg -l apache2.2-common |tail -1 |
| 09:56.17 | Roland- | root@central:~# dpkg -l apache2.2-common |tail -1 |
| 09:56.17 | Roland- | rc apache2.2-common 2.2.22-13 amd64 Apache HTTP Server common files |
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| 09:56.37 | Roland- | Package 'apache2.2-common' is not installed, so not removed ( again ) |
| 09:56.48 | mumpitze1 | Roland-: purge the package then. it is not installed but the config files are left from an earlier installation |
| 09:56.59 | Roland- | purge the package? |
| 09:57.02 | Roland- | delete manually? |
| 09:57.03 | mumpitze1 | !purge |
| 09:57.03 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 09:57.28 | armin | anyone a clue if i can run a shellscript when X starts when running lightdm? when putting my stuff into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ it gets run only if i log in, but not already when lightdm starts up. |
| 09:58.02 | Roland- | thanks mumpitze1 you helped me. |
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| 09:58.15 | well_laid_lawn | armin: checked lightdm's conf file? |
| 09:58.24 | armin | well_laid_lawn: yes. |
| 09:59.18 | armin | ah, didn't see this one here: display-setup-script = Script to run when starting a greeter session (runs as root) |
| 09:59.24 | well_laid_lawn | I use the tty to login so that was my only guess ... |
| 09:59.34 | well_laid_lawn | there you go |
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| 10:01.20 | armin | well_laid_lawn: yup that works. thanks. |
| 10:01.27 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 10:02.42 | armin | oh and while we're at it: does anyone set their screen brightness on boot already, independent from the X desktop/login manager? |
| 10:03.26 | well_laid_lawn | I have systemd write to file to do that |
| 10:03.32 | well_laid_lawn | on arch |
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| 10:04.02 | armin | well_laid_lawn: i just moved away from arch because of systemd. |
| 10:04.28 | well_laid_lawn | armin: I thought your nick looked familiar |
| 10:04.35 | Spec-Chum | hey all, on gnome 3 is there a way to alter the notification pop-up position? Mine is half off the screen |
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| 10:04.55 | mumpitze1 | armin: that very much depends on hardware |
| 10:05.04 | well_laid_lawn | armin: systemd is enivitable |
| 10:05.26 | Spec-Chum | systemd is nice, I like it |
| 10:05.32 | armin | well_laid_lawn: death is, too. if i can procrastinate one of both, i'll do that, though. |
| 10:05.40 | well_laid_lawn | heh |
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| 10:06.06 | Spec-Chum | armin: what don't you like about it? |
| 10:06.15 | hanibana | Hi, In dom0 server of my Xen host, the free command displays 15G of 16G as used memory. But, sorted output of top command in terms of memory shows 5% memory consumption by the first process. Why?! |
| 10:06.31 | armin | well_laid_lawn: done that, been there, wrote unit files, found my way around about it, and to be honest, i hate it. |
| 10:06.37 | hanibana | free shows 3GB cached. |
| 10:07.23 | well_laid_lawn | armin: I do too - there's a thread on community_contributions about using busybox as an init |
| 10:08.14 | armin | Spec-Chum: the implementation. the basic idea of having cgroups and granular control over daemons is nice, the idea of getting rid of shellscripts for all that is nice, but really, the benefets are far far away from being worth, using journal is pain while sitting, the whole construct just seems unfinished tinkering to me. |
| 10:08.34 | tremon | hanibana: xen clients do not show up in the dom0 process list? |
| 10:09.16 | hanibana | tremon: what do you mean by Xen client? |
| 10:09.44 | tremon | the virtual machines running on the host, I don't know proper xen terminology |
| 10:09.52 | hanibana | the first process is a java app. |
| 10:10.17 | hanibana | the term is domU's. |
| 10:10.20 | hanibana | no |
| 10:10.40 | tremon | ah ok, and the host is aware of processes running inside the domU's? |
| 10:10.48 | armin | Spec-Chum: and once you indeed managed to solve dependency problems in systemd and understand how logging there works, you likely just want your old style init back and will be completely cool with the 2 extra seconds when booting up. but don't get me started on poettering-rants on a saturday morning, really. |
| 10:11.14 | Spec-Chum | armin: a fair argument :) |
| 10:11.19 | hanibana | tremon: Xen works as hypervisor. The memory is reserved for the domUs. |
| 10:11.47 | tremon | why do you expect those memory reservations to show up as a separate process in top? |
| 10:12.01 | Spec-Chum | although it's very rare I use the journal, systemctl status does everything you need really |
| 10:12.07 | f10 | does anyone know of a good bookmark server app for linux that works/has plugins for chromium, firefox and android? |
| 10:12.17 | hanibana | tremon: :) I have no such expectation! |
| 10:13.19 | Spec-Chum | a distro using systemd properly (arch is a good example) benefits from it, I feel |
| 10:13.35 | tremon | then I guess that's part of the answer then. On the dom0 you may have 15GB memory in use, but you can't see domU memory allocations. Mind you, I'm guessing -- I've never worked with xen. But it makes sense to me ;) |
| 10:13.45 | armin | Spec-Chum: i think i can't tell you HOW happy i am to use unix tools on logfiles again, like sed/cut/awk etc, to analyze and modify my system, etc. - it's been like that for a few decades on unix systems for a couple of good reasons, really. |
| 10:13.46 | Spec-Chum | I see no reason to update my debian install with it tho |
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| 10:14.46 | Spec-Chum | armin: it's what you're used to, I guess. But like well_laid_lawn says, the change will come for certain. |
| 10:15.03 | hanibana | tremon, No, the physical memory already have been allocated to domUs. The 16G is dedicated to DomU. This is how Xen works. |
| 10:15.07 | mumpitze1 | Spec-Chum: definitely not "certain" |
| 10:15.29 | armin | Spec-Chum: if it's well documented then, why not. those systemd blog-posts by lennart are a bad joke, and i don't like the manpages, too. |
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| 10:16.10 | Spec-Chum | mumixam: maybe not on Debain due to it's mult host policy, but most others will. Ubuntu and it's offshoots (Mint etc) definitely will, for example |
| 10:16.14 | tremon | ah, so much for my theory then :) |
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| 10:16.33 | armin | Spec-Chum: right now i just hope i can sit the move out for a few months, if not years. |
| 10:16.39 | hanibana | anyway thanks. |
| 10:16.43 | tremon | hanibana: can you paste the output of free? |
| 10:16.52 | hanibana | yeah sure |
| 10:18.08 | hanibana | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/29401/ |
| 10:19.11 | tremon | hanibana: I think you're misreading the output of free. It's saying that 13G of your memory is being used as disk cache (line 1 last column) |
| 10:19.29 | Spec-Chum | armin: just don't upgrade :) But seriously, I do see your concern. Linux is all about choice but with systemd vs whatever once it get implemented upstream that choice is taken away. I see that as a bad thing. Let the user choose, not dictate |
| 10:19.31 | tremon | and not including disk cache, you have 13G memory available for processes (second line) |
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| 10:21.43 | hanibana | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.02 | tremon | you're welcome :) |
| 10:22.04 | hanibana | Now I should find out why its like that. |
| 10:22.58 | hanibana | tremon: this disk cache is general or per-process?? |
| 10:23.15 | mumpitze1 | per linux kernel |
| 10:23.16 | hanibana | how can I trace this disk cache usage? |
| 10:23.27 | tremon | it's supposed to be like that. Linux always uses all available memory |
| 10:23.37 | mumpitze1 | all bits that aren't currently used by programs are always cache by default |
| 10:24.27 | tremon | disk cache pages can be dropped instantly. As soon as a program requests memory, linux can drop disk cache |
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| 10:25.48 | tremon | There is simply no reason for the kernel to free up memory before it's needed. So all data that the kernel has ever read from disk since bootup is kept in memory until there is a better use for it |
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| 10:26.30 | Spec-Chum | as the saying goes "free memory is wasted memory" |
| 10:26.35 | tremon | if you still have free memory after days of uptime, you simply have too much memory in your machine :) |
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| 10:28.22 | armin | Spec-Chum: taking away choice is the worst aspect probably. but there's a few others. and i really came to a point of being absolutely sure i'd rather write 1000 lines of bash than tinkering around with this unfinished, buggy, badly documented piece of junk. |
| 10:28.39 | zmode | tremon: not true. |
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| 10:29.21 | Spec-Chum | armin: you're winning me over hehe :) But on Arch systemd "just works (tm)" for me |
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| 10:29.40 | lxsameer | does any package replaced ia32-libs on debians sid ? |
| 10:29.49 | mumpitze1 | !tell lxsameer about multiarch |
| 10:29.51 | armin | Spec-Chum: you never had to write own unit files that introduce dependencies then, did you? |
| 10:30.01 | Spec-Chum | lxsameer: multiarch is the way forward! |
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| 10:30.13 | Spec-Chum | armin: nope |
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| 10:31.31 | armin | Spec-Chum: and don't get me started on arch. being told i should always consult the webpage before doing a pacman -Syu is far away from professional needs for a distribution, same applies for a few possible other issues with pacman, or the move to /usr/bin or to grub2 with just leaving grub1 in AUR, and there's way more like that. |
| 10:31.48 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: i have multiarch right know but what package in :i386 is a replace for ia32-libs |
| 10:32.01 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: there is no such thing anymore. not needed |
| 10:32.08 | Spec-Chum | lxsameer: you just need to install the 32 bit libs you need |
| 10:32.15 | Spec-Chum | individually |
| 10:32.35 | mumpitze1 | i32-libs was a few libs compiled for i386 in amd64. now that you can install any lib you want from i386 it's totally obsolete |
| 10:32.43 | hanibana | yes. I've heard about Linux memory usage and I've seen its cache usage for programs. But, never faced with situation. Is not this an extreme case?! We have a java app on the server which its memory usage is rather high. |
| 10:32.49 | Spec-Chum | armin: to be fair to arch, I've never had a breakage from a -Syu |
| 10:32.56 | lxsameer | Spec-Chum: currently i can't run 32bit executables, i do some search and the answer is ia32-libs |
| 10:33.06 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: the answer is wrong |
| 10:33.14 | Spec-Chum | lxsameer: you did before, yes, but not now |
| 10:33.19 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: and outdated. run ldd to check what libs your 32bit program needs |
| 10:33.33 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: i know that now, but what should i install to run 32bit exec files |
| 10:33.36 | armin | Spec-Chum: me neither, but i've had moments where i looked at my backup on the NAS and went like "ololo YOLO let's update and break this zomg". |
| 10:33.37 | Spec-Chum | use ldd and see what it's linked against then install those libs |
| 10:33.41 | Spec-Chum | simples :) |
| 10:33.52 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: nothing. you can run any 32bit ELF binary if the libs are availablew |
| 10:34.22 | tremon | lxsameer: libc6:i386, but hardly any program will work if you only install that package |
| 10:34.23 | mumpitze1 | hanibana: it's not extreme at all. it has been like this for more than 10 years. on any modern OS, linux, windows, osx, bsd, etc |
| 10:34.25 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: here is the output of ldd "ldd: ./adb: No such file or directory" but file exists and is a 32bit elf binary |
| 10:34.33 | armin | Spec-Chum: being a linux/unix admin i feel a strong need for focussing on the work i want to do WITH my system, not the work i want to do ON my system. |
| 10:34.37 | icarious | steve ballmer |
| 10:34.38 | lxsameer | tremon: thanks |
| 10:34.39 | icarious | :P |
| 10:34.40 | mumpitze1 | tremon: libc6 is special. it always comes with 32bit stuff in amd64 too |
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| 10:34.47 | Spec-Chum | armin: hehe, I do have a "thing" for cutting edge tho, hence why I run arch and sid |
| 10:34.55 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: do not follow his advice |
| 10:34.55 | tremon | hanibana: I'm not sure if you can inspect the current contents of the vfs cache, but search for "linux vm tuning". There is a lot that can be configured (but the defaults are sensible, you can easily set your machine to performs worse) |
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| 10:35.06 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: which one ? |
| 10:35.12 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: about libc6 |
| 10:35.21 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: have you run ldd on your 32bit executable yet? |
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| 10:35.47 | tremon | hanibana: it's perfectly possible that your dom0 is doing the fs caching for the domU's too |
| 10:35.48 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: i installing it right now, yeah i ran ldd and gave you the result seconds ago |
| 10:36.26 | mumpitze1 | lxsameer: what command did you exactly run for "ldd"? and what is the output of "file adb"? |
| 10:36.35 | jelly-home | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 10:36.36 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-3 |
| 10:36.55 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: ldd ./adb |
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| 10:37.17 | lxsameer | mumpitze1: ./adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=7c1073a067f24eb1cf384cec7118520137584524, not stripped |
| 10:37.25 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: ldd does not work if ld.so for that ELF format is not installed |
| 10:37.27 | Spec-Chum | ah, adb |
| 10:37.30 | Spec-Chum | you need: sudo apt-get install libc6-i386 lib32stdc++6 lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5 |
| 10:37.34 | Spec-Chum | lxsameer: ^^ |
| 10:37.34 | hanibana | mumpitze1: ok, it's strange for that why I never seen this after so many years. Yes tremon, I think there's something with Xen settings. |
| 10:37.48 | jelly-home | Spec-Chum: there's a perfectly fine native adb in wheezy-backports |
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| 10:38.52 | Spec-Chum | jelly-home: that fine, but he's clearly using the one supplied with the SDK |
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| 10:42.05 | armin | Spec-Chum: i went for debian testing on my thinkpad x220 now as ubuntu finally got hit by the RC6 power consumption bug. |
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| 10:42.27 | armin | Spec-Chum: i remember that from the 3.8 kernels in arch, too. |
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| 10:46.00 | darkapp | hi i was wonderin if theres a peerblocker made for linux? |
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| 10:47.19 | darkapp | refrence: http://peerblock.com/ |
| 10:49.33 | mniip | what package is -lstdc++ for i386 in? |
| 10:50.11 | Spec-Chum | lib32stdc++6 ? |
| 10:52.16 | mniip | ooooh |
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| 10:52.17 | mniip | thanks |
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| 10:54.07 | mniip | Spec-Chum, wait, uh, that seems like the .so |
| 10:54.09 | mniip | not the .a |
| 10:54.30 | tremon | add -dev |
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| 10:55.40 | tremon | although the -dev packages are versioned, for jessie it's -4.7-dev |
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| 10:56.20 | mniip | E: Unable to locate package lib32stdc++6-4.7-dev |
| 10:56.21 | mniip | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'lib32stdc++6-4.7-dev' |
| 10:56.42 | darkapp | ok so i did some researchin on my last question |
| 10:56.42 | abrotman | mniip: apt-cache search might help |
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| 10:56.53 | darkapp | how can i utilize blocklists with iptables? |
| 10:57.12 | darkapp | autoconfiuration URLs to be specific |
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| 10:57.41 | mniip | abrotman, http://bpaste.net/raw/0qe9XkhHswJlTic3nody/ |
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| 11:04.19 | abrotman | mniip: you're doing it wrong |
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| 11:04.22 | nurinap | hi there |
| 11:04.32 | abrotman | mniip: apt-cache -- search stdc++ -dev |
| 11:04.56 | nurinap | hi guys |
| 11:05.00 | nurinap | do you know anki? |
| 11:05.05 | nurinap | do you know why it could give time sync error messages even if the time and the time zone is ok? |
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| 11:05.47 | mumpitze1 | ,v anki |
| 11:05.48 | judd | Package: anki on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9.8.6-2.1; wheezy: 1.2.11-1; jessie: 2.0.12+dfsg-1; sid: 2.0.12+dfsg-1 |
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| 11:06.36 | mniip | abrotman, nothing 32 here |
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| 11:06.52 | abrotman | mniip: you may not need the -32 .. it's a header |
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| 11:07.03 | mniip | i need .a |
| 11:07.12 | frostschutz | nurinap, try asking at anki.tenderapp.com - provide more info too |
| 11:07.35 | nurinap | th |
| 11:07.35 | nurinap | x |
| 11:07.44 | mniip | and of course libstdc++:amd64 and libstdc++:i386 headers are different |
| 11:07.44 | abrotman | mniip: i'm sure you'll try it anyway |
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| 11:08.12 | mniip | abrotman, try what |
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| 11:22.04 | jordilopezamat | hello dear community |
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| 11:22.15 | zeeflo | hey |
| 11:22.27 | jordilopezamat | newbie here |
| 11:22.40 | abrotman | you can't be a newbie forever .. |
| 11:22.54 | zeeflo | I was thinking about having a debian server that acts as a NAT server for public ip's and routes it to a switch |
| 11:23.00 | zeeflo | can I do that? |
| 11:23.05 | jordilopezamat | Yes, i'm the eternal newbie. i have a pen drive doing bizarre things... |
| 11:23.17 | zeeflo | instead of buying an expensive rack router.. |
| 11:23.27 | abrotman | zeeflo: you want it to be a regular router/firewall ? |
| 11:23.37 | zeeflo | yea |
| 11:23.42 | abrotman | zeeflo: sure you can do that |
| 11:23.50 | zeeflo | and forward public ip's onto the switch |
| 11:24.03 | zeeflo | what man should I read? |
| 11:24.11 | jordilopezamat | "Bastion server" approach could help... zeeflo |
| 11:24.19 | zeeflo | bastion server |
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| 11:26.34 | jordilopezamat | maybe it can give you a hint ...http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-bastion-host/ |
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| 11:27.15 | zeeflo | yea |
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| 11:27.37 | zeeflo | and it can handle multiple public ip's and forward them onto a switch port? |
| 11:28.32 | jordilopezamat | ... not tried in practise |
| 11:28.49 | zeeflo | then i guess id just use a debian server |
| 11:29.12 | zeeflo | have 1 nic handle all the public ip's/firewall, and 1 nic for lan/switch |
| 11:29.17 | jordilopezamat | but maybe you can try with virtual Eth interfaces |
| 11:29.54 | jordilopezamat | that's the purpose of bastion host zeeflo, exactly |
| 11:30.12 | jordilopezamat | i used it in the past to serve/protect a wifi hot-spot ... |
| 11:30.17 | zeeflo | ok |
| 11:30.29 | jordilopezamat | it worked fine for me... |
| 11:30.31 | zeeflo | is it easy to handle? (bastion) |
| 11:31.09 | jordilopezamat | Yes, i got it... so you should too. it's time ago i tweaked it, mmmh... take care of the IP forwarding setting, wich had to be set-up at the kernel level ... if i'm not wrong |
| 11:31.13 | zeeflo | is a VPS enough or would you suggest a physical server? |
| 11:31.31 | abrotman | zeeflo: this is commonly done |
| 11:31.45 | zeeflo | abrotman, im just used to having hardware handle this |
| 11:31.49 | abrotman | zeeflo: netfilter.org has docs about doing this, you're making a basic router + DHCP server |
| 11:31.53 | zeeflo | i wanna use debian for it now :) |
| 11:31.59 | abrotman | zeeflo: right, it's easy |
| 11:32.08 | jordilopezamat | sure abrotman |
| 11:32.08 | abrotman | no idea what jordilopezamat is on about |
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| 11:32.48 | zeeflo | yea.. I want the debian server to act as a "router" for my switch.. forward public ip's to the switch ports, handle firewall etc. |
| 11:32.51 | jordilopezamat | zeeflo... still, you can always burn a persistent LiveUSB |
| 11:32.58 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: come on ... |
| 11:32.58 | zeeflo | it sounds easy, im just wondering if it is |
| 11:33.20 | abrotman | zeeflo: right .. it is easy .. I haven't done it in 8 years or so, but yes, it's easy |
| 11:33.23 | jordilopezamat | if you feel more comfortable with... at least, for test purposes. Not for production... for sure abrotman |
| 11:33.33 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: just stop, please, you're not even making sense |
| 11:33.37 | zeeflo | abrotman, are you going to be on here for a little bit? |
| 11:33.56 | zeeflo | Im thinking about going to the DC and learn/do this |
| 11:34.06 | zeeflo | and come here if I have questions |
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| 11:34.14 | abrotman | zeeflo: "ish", yes .. but many people can help you with this (#netfilter might be more help for this) |
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| 11:34.21 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 11:34.37 | abrotman | zeeflo: but there really are plenty of docs about this |
| 11:34.39 | zeeflo | Ill just wrap up, grab my laptop and head off to the DC.. Be here in 15 mins :) |
| 11:34.43 | zeeflo | cool! |
| 11:35.03 | zeeflo | Then you can maybe push me in their general direction when I am at the servers, switch etc. |
| 11:35.04 | zeeflo | :) |
| 11:35.09 | zeeflo | Be back in a bit :) |
| 11:35.18 | abrotman | zeeflo: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html |
| 11:35.38 | zeeflo | ill come here when I am in the DC with my laptop := |
| 11:35.42 | zeeflo | im at my desktop at home |
| 11:35.52 | abrotman | zeeflo: home is probably a better place to try this |
| 11:35.53 | zeeflo | So, its easier with the links when I am on the laptop at the dc |
| 11:36.11 | zeeflo | i dont have a test scenario here :/ |
| 11:36.17 | zeeflo | no vps or anything |
| 11:36.29 | zeeflo | ill be back in 15 |
| 11:36.30 | zeeflo | :) |
| 11:36.34 | zeeflo | thanks so far! |
| 11:36.39 | abrotman | is pretty sure he wouldn't "test" in the DC on a live box |
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| 11:36.50 | zeeflo | dont worry about it |
| 11:36.57 | zeeflo | I have a rack only to test stuff on |
| 11:37.07 | zeeflo | :) |
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| 11:37.38 | zeeflo | wanna see it :) |
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| 11:40.00 | zeeflo | http://s23.postimg.org/veomiud5n/dms.jpg |
| 11:40.15 | zeeflo | that router on top |
| 11:40.21 | zeeflo | I want a debian server to replace it :) |
| 11:40.31 | zeeflo | its not sufficient for a big switch |
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| 11:43.34 | abrotman | wonders what kind of DC that is ... |
| 11:44.05 | mniip | abrotman, soo |
| 11:44.07 | mniip | try what |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | mniip: you install the -dev packages yet? |
| 11:44.27 | mniip | which |
| 11:44.36 | mniip | libstdc++6-4.7-dev? |
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| 11:45.46 | mniip | abrotman |
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| 12:06.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | I should send a mail about http://www.debian.org/CD/verify to the lists. Providing those fingerprints on a http-only page is really bad advice. |
| 12:07.40 | abrotman | fingerprints? |
| 12:07.44 | abrotman | you mean md5sums? |
| 12:08.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: no, the fingerprints for the signing keys used to sign MD5SUMS etc. |
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| 12:08.42 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: where else would you like them? you can easily retrieve that page with wget or curl |
| 12:09.04 | xand | abrotman: should be https |
| 12:09.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, what xand says. |
| 12:10.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | They should provide all fingerprints on https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 12:10.11 | abrotman | so file a bug on the website |
| 12:10.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Possibly the checksums too. |
| 12:10.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: is the Debian bug tracker appropriate for that? |
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| 12:13.37 | m8 | Hi, open-vm-tools allow shared folder with host? |
| 12:13.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting goes on and on about packages and that sort of stuff. |
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| 12:15.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | "To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org" |
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| 12:15.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I'll do that. |
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| 12:16.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | I should file a bug on debootstrap too. (it merely prints a warning about missing keys and continues happily) |
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| 12:16.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | It would be a bit odd if these issues weren't reported before though. |
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| 12:19.32 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: there's a pseudo package for the website |
| 12:19.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
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| 12:20.00 | mniip | abrotman, do you even |
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| 12:20.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Filing bugs from a non-Debian system seems painful though. |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
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| 12:20.52 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: use your favorite webmail |
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| 12:22.31 | mniip | abrotman, do you want me to install libstdc++6-4.7-dev |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | did you try it yet? |
| 12:22.48 | mniip | it's already there |
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| 12:24.28 | mniip | abrotman, won't you mind if i prefix avery phrase with your nick, because otherwise you totally lose the conversation |
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| 12:24.35 | zeeflo | installing debian now, for natting |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | mniip: that's the normal way it works |
| 12:24.47 | zeeflo | abrotman: can you paste me the NAT link again? |
| 12:24.53 | mniip | okay |
| 12:24.57 | mniip | abrotman, it's already there |
| 12:25.06 | abrotman | mniip: so what's the error? |
| 12:25.12 | abrotman | zeeflo: look at netfilter.org |
| 12:25.21 | zeeflo | thanks |
| 12:25.39 | mniip | abrotman, http://bpaste.net/raw/ydFaghRfZJuVYvAzvRI1/ |
| 12:26.19 | abrotman | the full paste might help |
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| 12:28.16 | mniip | oh great, bpaste is now overloaded |
| 12:28.43 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 12:29.17 | mniip | abrotman, http://codepad.org/2n62u6x5 |
| 12:31.29 | mniip | or is it just me |
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| 12:32.15 | mniip | http://paste.debian.net/plain/29443 |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | that's not hte full error |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | mniip: have you installed build-essential yet? |
| 12:32.44 | mniip | ... |
| 12:32.48 | mniip | i'm sure i didi |
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| 12:33.24 | mniip | abrotman, what is the full error then |
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| 12:33.39 | NeO_Anderson | hello |
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| 12:34.07 | NeO_Anderson | I have a dedicated server to which I wish to change my kernel to a normal kernel from the one it has been given (some custom made one with security fixes) |
| 12:34.18 | NeO_Anderson | the reason is that it prevents me installing things like virtualbox e.t.c which i kinda need... |
| 12:34.33 | NeO_Anderson | now my question is this, what happens if this new kernel I install, fails toboot for whatever reason? |
| 12:34.46 | NeO_Anderson | will it then attempt to load another kernel from the installed kernels? |
| 12:35.00 | mniip | no |
| 12:35.09 | NeO_Anderson | is there a way to make it do that? :S |
| 12:35.15 | mniip | wait, eh |
| 12:35.19 | mniip | what bootloader |
| 12:35.21 | mniip | grub? |
| 12:35.22 | NeO_Anderson | grub I believe |
| 12:35.36 | viktormadarasz | I have im sire the stupidest question about gnome 3 and debian 7.1 :) |
| 12:35.41 | mniip | well, it won't try to boot next option _by_default_ |
| 12:35.51 | NeO_Anderson | I see |
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| 12:35.58 | NeO_Anderson | so it would just sorta hang there? |
| 12:36.03 | NeO_Anderson | at the kernel selection screen |
| 12:36.14 | mniip | no |
| 12:36.18 | NeO_Anderson | oh? |
| 12:36.18 | mniip | it will try to boot |
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| 12:36.22 | mniip | and fail |
| 12:36.24 | mniip | and hang there |
| 12:36.27 | NeO_Anderson | I se |
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| 12:36.51 | NeO_Anderson | do you know of any way to make it cycle through kernels? :S |
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| 12:37.05 | NeO_Anderson | or at least the previous one? |
| 12:37.09 | NeO_Anderson | (should the boot fail |
| 12:37.09 | NeO_Anderson | _ |
| 12:37.11 | NeO_Anderson | )* |
| 12:37.15 | mniip | no idea |
| 12:37.43 | NeO_Anderson | damn |
| 12:38.36 | viktormadarasz | why is it that on my fresh install of Debian 7.1 under Gnome (not gnome-classic) the upper left corner does not trigger the overview feature of gnome?? |
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| 12:39.14 | mniip | abrotman, here's another one, http://paste.debian.net/plain/29445 |
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| 12:40.05 | abrotman | viktormadarasz: click maybe? |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | mniip: which version of Debian is this? |
| 12:41.02 | mniip | wheezy |
| 12:41.09 | viktormadarasz | abrotman: nop. neither... it runs in vmware with vmware tools installed ... 7.1 |
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| 12:42.43 | viktormadarasz | its wheezy 7.1 |
| 12:44.17 | zeeflo | its pretty heavy stuff to read about :) |
| 12:44.21 | mniip | abrotman, wheezy |
| 12:44.53 | abrotman | mniip: have you enabled multiarch yet/ |
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| 12:45.37 | zeeflo | abrotman: would you suggest wheezy or sarge for my operations? |
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| 12:45.42 | zeeflo | is sarge fine? |
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| 12:46.04 | mniip | abrotman, have i what |
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| 12:48.08 | abrotman | zeeflo: wheezy .. wtf |
| 12:48.17 | abrotman | !tell mniip about multiarch |
| 12:48.33 | viktormadarasz | it should work out of the box but it did not work |
| 12:49.04 | zeeflo | its cause my hp server only has a sarge installation cd.. I was just wondering if I would need to wheezy upgrade it if sarge could do it just the same.. |
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| 12:51.34 | JmZ | using debian testing in virtualbox. i cant seem to ping any IP, heres my interfaces: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/be8f9280a3786bf9f671 |
| 12:51.58 | JmZ | i have two VMs using identical config except for the eth1 in that one there |
| 12:52.06 | JmZ | the other can reach the net fine |
| 12:52.14 | viktormadarasz | anyone has an idea why gnome overview does not work? |
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| 12:54.52 | NeO_Anderson | mniip how can I confirm 100% that I have grub boot loader installed? |
| 12:55.00 | NeO_Anderson | I mean, when I type 'grub' it says unknown command |
| 12:55.12 | NeO_Anderson | update-grub -v |
| 12:55.18 | NeO_Anderson | if I type that it shows information |
| 12:55.20 | NeO_Anderson | o.o |
| 12:55.32 | NeO_Anderson | grub-mkconfig (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1 |
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| 12:56.07 | NeO_Anderson | and /boot/grub/menu.lst does not exist but /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg do |
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| 12:56.27 | NeO_Anderson | also my grub.cfg looks different to what every google search has shown o.O |
| 12:56.41 | NeO_Anderson | so is my version just really old? or am I using another boot loader :S |
| 12:57.39 | NeO_Anderson | and by weird I mean for example in google searches, i've seen entries like: timeout 10 |
| 12:57.47 | NeO_Anderson | but in mine its shown as: GRUB_TIMEOUT 10 |
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| 12:58.03 | NeO_Anderson | why is GRUB_TIMEOUT instead of 'timeout' like everyone elses lol |
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| 13:00.06 | zeeflo | NeO_Anderson: are you sure your machine is running debian and not ubuntu? |
| 13:00.15 | NeO_Anderson | yeah its running debian |
| 13:00.40 | martin-_- | hi, how can i tell grub to start always the xen kernel? can i simply set in nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg set default="0" to set default="2" ? and then execute grub-mkconfig? |
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| 13:00.57 | zeeflo | NeO_Anderson: then install boot-repair |
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| 13:01.11 | NeO_Anderson | Operating systemDebian Linux 6.0.6 |
| 13:02.39 | dvs | martin-_-: GRUB_DEFAULT_something or other in /etc/default/grub |
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| 13:03.06 | susansusan | hi |
| 13:03.13 | NeO_Anderson | is there deffinately something wrong with my boot loader zeeflo :o |
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| 13:03.26 | susansusan | i just have installed squeezy but cant update anything i guess that the sources is old |
| 13:03.28 | zeeflo | NeO_Anderson: no |
| 13:03.36 | zeeflo | your grub can look like that as well |
| 13:03.38 | susansusan | but what should i put in order to work? |
| 13:03.43 | zeeflo | squeezy |
| 13:03.44 | zeeflo | hehehe |
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| 13:03.58 | NeO_Anderson | I see |
| 13:03.58 | zeeflo | what did you install susansusan? Squeeze or Wheezy? |
| 13:04.00 | dvs | !squeeze source.list |
| 13:04.07 | susansusan | is an old laptop, i installed squeezy |
| 13:04.16 | dvs | !squeeze sources.list |
| 13:04.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:04.23 | zeeflo | i have no clue what squeezy is |
| 13:04.29 | NeO_Anderson | so assuming its fine, how would I go about implementing this 'fallback' feature that grub apparently has? |
| 13:04.40 | NeO_Anderson | would i do GRUB_FALLBACK 0 2 3 |
| 13:04.41 | NeO_Anderson | e.t.c |
| 13:04.42 | NeO_Anderson | ? |
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| 13:07.12 | susansusan | dpkg: thanks, it works, wonder why the original sources.list didnt work |
| 13:07.13 | dpkg | gern geschehen, susansusan |
| 13:07.18 | susansusan | it was a clean instalation |
| 13:07.26 | susansusan | just installed it yesterday... |
| 13:07.54 | zeeflo | susansusan: what was your question again? |
| 13:07.56 | susansusan | squeeze will be supported 1 year more right? |
| 13:08.02 | dvs | dpkg: what are you? |
| 13:08.02 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 13:08.14 | zeeflo | NeO_Anderson: I dont know that much about grub behavior etc |
| 13:08.17 | dvs | susansusan: Support ends in Februrary |
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| 13:08.37 | susansusan | dvs thanks, then even security updates no more update? |
| 13:08.42 | james41382 | I have found that the people in #grub can be quite helpful. |
| 13:08.48 | dvs | susansusan: correct |
| 13:08.52 | zeeflo | susansusan: just upgrade to wheezy |
| 13:08.55 | mniip | abrotman, oh, yes, i have i386 arch |
| 13:09.29 | james41382 | Sometimes to have to ask and wait then ask again.. etc. But eventually... |
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| 13:09.58 | jkll | hello. i would like to forward everything from host to guest kvm. what should i do? thanks |
| 13:10.04 | susansusan | ok if i upgrade to wheezy is enough with a apt-get dist-upgrade? if it's a clean install i have iĺl get all working directly or any issues? |
| 13:10.10 | zeeflo | susansusan: no |
| 13:10.16 | zeeflo | you have to edit your sources.list |
| 13:10.29 | zeeflo | replace all squeeze with wheezy in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:10.35 | zeeflo | then do a apt-get update |
| 13:10.36 | dvs | susansusan: chapter 4 of the release notes has detailed instructions |
| 13:10.42 | zeeflo | and then apt-get dist-upgarde |
| 13:10.51 | zeeflo | and then reboot |
| 13:10.53 | zeeflo | done! |
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| 13:11.29 | susansusan | good! thanks for the release notes i had a look but i heard is not recommended to run a dist upgrade because you face problems |
| 13:11.29 | berarma | !tell susansusan -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:35.25 | zeeflo | abrotman: do you remember what gateway I should use on the ETH for the LAN? |
| 13:35.46 | zeeflo | is it needed? |
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| 13:39.13 | abrotman | zeeflo: doesn't need one |
| 13:39.38 | zeeflo | thank you abrotman |
| 13:39.49 | zeeflo | then I just activate interface forwarding, correct? |
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| 13:39.56 | zeeflo | i can ping outside and inside now |
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| 13:43.58 | aguitel | how install libreoffice 4.0 in debian |
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