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| 00:07.42 | dizzylizzy | ugh, I wish bash would remember what I just killed before going into su |
| 00:07.56 | dizzylizzy | it's annoying typing out something like apt-cache search -n libsdl dev | cut -d ' ' -f1 | xargs aptitude install twice |
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| 00:09.39 | codepython7771 | apt-get install vim = 28MB - is there something lighter? |
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| 00:11.01 | Vicissitude | emacs :) |
| 00:12.01 | codepython7771 | Vicissitude: 131MB! |
| 00:12.15 | codepython7771 | CAn i get an editor in 1MB executable or < 5MB? |
| 00:12.23 | codepython7771 | better than ed |
| 00:12.38 | linu | vi is lighter than vim ? |
| 00:12.58 | codepython7771 | no apt-get install vi |
| 00:13.02 | linu | oh |
| 00:13.06 | linu | openbsd vi is pretty light i think |
| 00:13.31 | Vicissitude | codepython7771, how about abiword? |
| 00:13.43 | codepython7771 | linu: is there a apt-get for that? |
| 00:14.37 | codepython7771 | Vicissitude: 150MB++! |
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| 00:15.05 | Vicissitude | odd. I thought it was intended to be small. well, there's always elvis. I know that's small |
| 00:15.26 | codepython7771 | 4MB = elvis |
| 00:15.37 | themill | dizzylizzy: it's not "bash" that is "forgetting". |
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| 00:16.47 | themill | codepython7771: vim-tiny |
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| 00:17.32 | codepython7771 | themill: whats the executable from vim-tiny? Where is it installed? |
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| 00:17.43 | themill | codepython7771: dpkg -L |
| 00:17.51 | codepython7771 | got it |
| 00:17.52 | codepython7771 | Thanks |
| 00:17.55 | codepython7771 | Awesome :) |
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| 00:18.51 | mesodermz | I have a Lexmark Optra E312 printer that I have installed the drivers for, and which I have added as the default printer in CUPS, but when I try to print nothing happens other than the error light on the printer briefly flashing. The CUPS error log isn't showing any errors either. Where to go from here? |
| 00:18.54 | themill | codepython7771: other than "vim.tiny" it will also be /usr/bin/vim and you can dpkg-reconfigure editor |
| 00:18.58 | mesodermz | here's a pastebin of the error log: http://pastebin.ca/2438323 |
| 00:19.09 | codepython7771 | themill: :) Thanks. It was already installed :) |
| 00:19.15 | themill | yes |
| 00:19.15 | mesodermz | The printer works fine with Windows, so it's not a problem with the printer itself. |
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| 00:31.43 | MachinaeWolf | idk what happened but now all I can do to get X to start is use xinit i3 and then if I swap to tty it kills X :( |
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| 00:43.30 | soondee | Hi all, is it a good idea to use "start-stop-deamon" command in my init.d script or could i just use "daemon" only? what is the use case for "start-stop-daemon"? |
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| 00:44.07 | sweb | i have two domain, for first domain i have configure bind well. i wanna set domain two same to domain one. domain1.tld domain2wanttoset.tld .... i must use "domain2wanttoset.tld. IN CNAME domain1.tld" ? |
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| 00:52.00 | theslow1 | is there a recommended way to manage files not found in aptitude (such as node package manager [npm] ) |
| 00:52.15 | themill | soondee: s-s-d is designed to help track PIDs, set the user to non-root, help kill the right process at "stop" time. Basically, it's a wrapper to make up for the limitations of sysvinit. If you have a really well-behaved daemon or the daemon comes with its own control interface (like apache2ctl or bind's rndc) then you'd probably use that rather than s-s-d |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | theslow1: manage in what way? |
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| 00:54.36 | Speccy88 | I want to use a old computer I have to make a Linux server. I tought about running a Linux distro headless. Is it possible with Debian, is there any people here that use it without a desktop environment? |
| 00:54.36 | theslow1 | When I first installed a package from source, it had a .config file, make file, and after running make install, files were spread all over my filesystem |
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| 00:55.17 | theslow1 | I haven't looked at where nodejs wants to be placed yet, but makefiles rarely come with a uninstall script |
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| 00:55.45 | themill | dpkg: tell theslow1 about stow |
| 00:56.31 | zinx | theslow1: hmm? npm is in debian |
| 00:56.41 | theslow1 | yes in sid |
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| 00:56.59 | theslow1 | but it is an older version, and will not work with LESS |
| 00:57.02 | zinx | theslow1: just build the sid package, or check backports :P |
| 00:57.06 | zinx | oh |
| 00:57.19 | zinx | theslow1: the recommended thing is to not do that |
| 00:57.29 | soondee | @themill thanks. I'm trying to run my java app in daemon so do i need "daemon" command to turn the process into daemon and couple with "s-s-d" to control it? |
| 00:57.30 | zinx | theslow1: if i'm going to do it, i generally give it its own local prefix in ~/ |
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| 00:57.43 | zinx | theslow1: or debianize it if i'm not feeling lazy. |
| 00:58.17 | theslow1 | zinx, I think i'm going to look at how the package building is done |
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| 00:58.40 | zinx | theslow1: you may be able to just copy the debian/ dir from the debian version, and update the debian/changelog |
| 00:58.49 | zinx | theslow1: if you get lucky and stuff hasn't changed too much |
| 00:58.53 | themill | soondee: yeah, using s-s-d is the best way to deal with that then as you can get it to generate the pid file for you. It takes a bit of fiddling to really understand what the different options do |
| 00:59.48 | soondee | @themill so i don't need "daemon" then? "s-s-d" does the same thing? |
| 01:00.11 | soondee | @themill apologise, i'm a newbie when come to linux |
| 01:00.54 | themill | soondee: can't say that I've ever used daemon. |
| 01:02.44 | soondee | @themill. Awesome. I'll fiddle with 's-s-d' tonight more. |
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| 01:32.15 | undead_rat | any tips on fitting a core system on 1 gig of space? |
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| 01:32.39 | Th0masR0ss | yeah, don't run X |
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| 01:37.28 | jaypro | this is probably pretty simple... but... i cant seem to connect to Proxmox (which is Debian based) from Debian. I can connect to the proxmox server from Windows, but I can not do it from Debian. Anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 01:38.21 | abrotman | ask them |
| 01:38.22 | jaypro | the address is an https address on the LAN... i can ping to the address just fine, but i cant connect to the server through a browser |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | can you telnet to the port? |
| 01:39.01 | jaypro | yeah i wasnt sure who to ask first... i figured since i can connect to the proxmox server just fine using Windows, i assume it's a Debian thing |
| 01:39.07 | jaypro | i can ssh just fine |
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| 01:41.02 | Dan39 | so does #debian still hate dotdeb packages? |
| 01:41.27 | somiaj | Dan39: more we don't want to support their packages if they break. |
| 01:41.46 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 01:41.50 | themill | Dan39: well the "poor quality" and "no upgrade path" criticisms still stand. |
| 01:42.23 | Dan39 | ok |
| 01:42.46 | Dan39 | is the quality really that bad? |
| 01:42.56 | Dan39 | i understand the no upgrade path thing could cause lots of problems tho |
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| 01:43.43 | Probeus | Could anyone here recommend a forum, where i can find network-specialists that can help me with my Home-network VPN setup? |
| 01:44.09 | themill | Dan39: I'm not a fan of "it compiles, ship it". |
| 01:44.18 | Dan39 | heh |
| 01:44.38 | Dan39 | sounds like it is about the same as if i compiled it from source myself then |
| 01:45.01 | themill | Dan39: last time I looked, they were shipping files in the wrong places and had some idiotic things in their postinst scripts too. |
| 01:45.18 | Dan39 | never had problems with stuff i compiled from source myself tho |
| 01:45.21 | Dan39 | hmm really |
| 01:46.01 | somiaj | Dan39: main issue I see is they are not supported here and from what I seen not supported that well by dotdeb either. So if things don't work you could have a big mess. |
| 01:46.17 | Dan39 | anyways, thanks |
| 01:46.47 | somiaj | Probeus: there is a #networking channel here on freenode |
| 01:46.56 | themill | Dan39: what packages are you looking for? |
| 01:47.04 | Dan39 | nginx/php5-fpm |
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| 01:47.34 | Probeus | somiaj: Thanks :) |
| 01:47.41 | themill | Dan39: both of those are already in debian |
| 01:47.41 | Dan39 | surprised php-fpm never got backported to squeeze.. :\ |
| 01:47.47 | Dan39 | themill: not in squeeze :P |
| 01:47.55 | somiaj | Probeus: I tend to get lots of linuxquestions.org forums when searching for info in google, which is what I use. Most likely your questions has already been aswered somewhere |
| 01:48.32 | themill | Dan39: yeah well... if you're prepared to go near dotdeb or starting to compile stuff from source, then "stable and unchanging" clearly isn't important... Sounds like it's time to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 01:48.33 | somiaj | Dan39: it would probabaly be less work to consider upgrading to wheezy then getting those packages to work in squeeze and loosing support in less than a year. |
| 01:48.54 | Dan39 | hmm yea maybe i will |
| 01:49.30 | Dan39 | this is dev server, and main server uses squeeze. but i guess by using nginx instead of whatever the main server is uses, im already changing things, so might as well go with wheezy <_< |
| 01:49.49 | Dan39 | tho im mainly worried about php version on main server being older |
| 01:49.57 | Dan39 | not different webserver |
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| 01:51.26 | Dan39 | hows the default squeeze nginx/php5 setup work, with fastcgi? |
| 01:51.41 | themill | Dan39: sounds like it's also time to upgrade the production server to wheezy ;) having them run different things is certainly a problem, esp when it comes to php. |
| 01:51.42 | Dan39 | only dev server, guess i dont need to worry about the advantage of php-fpm |
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| 01:54.27 | Dan39 | hmm forgot about this, but i remember it now that i look. squeeze does something with nginx using apache mod_php5. dont remember how tho |
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| 02:20.57 | pendos | hello everyone. I have a very odd error when trying to upgrade to the latest kernel. |
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| 02:20.57 | pendos | initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed |
| 02:21.13 | pendos | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:21.14 | pendos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.18 | pendos | Rather, that's the full error |
| 02:21.27 | pendos | Does anyone have an idea how I could fix this? Thanks! |
| 02:21.50 | dvs | pendos: Hmmm.... I wonder which version of inittramfs-tools is in wheezy backports? |
| 02:22.06 | pendos | How do I check? |
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| 02:22.41 | dvs | apt-cache polic initramfs-tools |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | apt-cache policy initramfs-tools |
| 02:23.37 | pendos | Output is here |
| 02:23.38 | pendos | http://pastebin.com/aBx1xHWy |
| 02:23.48 | pendos | I'm running crunchbang 11, if anybody cares |
| 02:23.51 | themill | dpkg: tell pendos about pastebin.com |
| 02:24.03 | phantomcircuit | i have both openjdk6 /7 installed |
| 02:24.10 | phantomcircuit | but i cant see how to actualyl switch to 7 |
| 02:24.21 | themill | pendos: we have no idea about crunchbang. Please ask them. |
| 02:24.23 | phantomcircuit | this is 7.,1 |
| 02:24.26 | dvs | dpkg: tel pendos about crunchbang |
| 02:24.26 | dpkg | dvs: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 02:24.32 | themill | dpkg: tell phantomcircuit about update-java-alternatives |
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| 02:25.20 | pendos | Aw, well thanks anyways :) |
| 02:25.31 | phantomcircuit | themill, thank you |
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| 02:31.22 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I get this error: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. |
| 02:31.50 | abrotman | what did you do? |
| 02:31.51 | dimitry7 | i reset the /usr/bin/python to point to python2.6 but when I reinstall python it resets to /etc/alternatives/python |
| 02:32.09 | dimitry7 | I installed python2.7 from source to test some report generation |
| 02:32.17 | somiaj | dimitry7: what do you get it from? that is a link and yes it points to the alternative link which allows you to set the default version via the alternatives system. |
| 02:32.38 | somiaj | dimitry7: do you have a /usr/local/bin/python from the source install? |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | dimitry7: brilliant plan |
| 02:32.46 | dimitry7 | let me check |
| 02:33.06 | themill | dimitry7: debian doesn't use alternatives for python at all |
| 02:33.07 | dimitry7 | no I dont have /usr/local/bin/python |
| 02:33.19 | dimitry7 | I am on Squeeze |
| 02:33.45 | somiaj | hmm, yea I guess it doesn't. Thought it did |
| 02:33.46 | themill | why wouldn't you just upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 02:34.26 | dimitry7 | themill, because this is server production and they are evaluating to do the upgrade (they will in two months or less) |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | the server is production, but you upgrade python? |
| 02:34.45 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes :-( |
| 02:34.46 | abrotman | did you tell the admin you did that? |
| 02:34.47 | themill | dimitry7: umm... so you decided that breaking python on a production server was the better plan |
| 02:34.51 | halfbit | I'm getting "The following packages have been kept back: ia32-libs" every time I run apt-get, is there a way to suppress that warning? I know why the package is being held back and put it on hold in dpkg but it's still bothering me with that warning. |
| 02:34.54 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes, he knows |
| 02:35.04 | dimitry7 | abrotman, he told me to do so |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | dimitry7: well, i'm sure your boss will deal with you |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | dimitry7: so you and your admin should be canned |
| 02:35.13 | dimitry7 | abrotman, he is my boss :-) |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | halfbit: pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:35.38 | dimitry7 | abrotman, sure |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | dimitry7: good luck |
| 02:35.46 | dimitry7 | ah, not for me |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | no, you shot yourself in the foot |
| 02:36.03 | halfbit | halfbit: I'm not after actually resolving the held back issue, I just want apt-get to ignore that one package |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | halfbit: it can't |
| 02:36.16 | halfbit | ups, meant abrotman |
| 02:36.20 | themill | dimitry7: perhaps you should pastebin the output of "ls -l /usr/bin/python*; type -a python; python --version" for us. |
| 02:36.32 | dimitry7 | themill, sure, just a second please |
| 02:36.45 | halfbit | aw, well thanks for the answer than! |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | halfbit: what if you 'aptitude install ia32-libs' ? |
| 02:37.26 | dimitry7 | themill, this is the output: http://pastebin.com/BsRtUWgx |
| 02:37.51 | halfbit | abrotman: no the problem with ia32-libs is that it needs ia32-libs:i386 since wheezy, but I don't really want to add i386 just because of that one package |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | halfbit: no, you're doing it wrong .. there is no ia32-libs in wheezy .. you should fix your system instead of burying your head in the sand |
| 02:38.23 | themill | halfbit: umm... how does that make ense? |
| 02:38.51 | halfbit | abrotman: there was one in squeeze, trying to upgrade wants to install the i386 package |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | halfbit: yes, there was one in squeeze, the one in wheezy is a transitional package .. |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | halfbit: please fix your system |
| 02:39.38 | themill | halfbit: yes, instead of ia32-libs being a crappy compilation of lots of half-baked i386 packages, it now directly depends on the i386 packages |
| 02:40.09 | halfbit | but the old ia32-libs works absolutely fine for my purposes, so why upgrade :P |
| 02:40.11 | themill | dpkg: tell halfbit about upgrade ia32 libs |
| 02:40.28 | themill | halfbit: why did you upgrade to wheezy at all? |
| 02:40.37 | dimitry7 | themill, did you see something? |
| 02:40.55 | themill | dimitry7: I see a mess. |
| 02:41.19 | dimitry7 | themill, :-S, how might I correct it? |
| 02:41.21 | halfbit | themill: because most of the packages in the squeeze repositories are pretty damn old... |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:41.33 | themill | halfbit: like ia32-libs |
| 02:42.23 | halfbit | yeah, sadly, but the source servers need them... |
| 02:42.38 | themill | "source servers"? |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | you're missing the point .. Multiarch is the replacement for busted ia32-libs |
| 02:43.14 | themill | dimitry7: remove the python2.7 stuff. And python is not supposed to be an alternative, it should point directly to python2.6 on squeeze |
| 02:43.21 | halfbit | Valves source dedicated game servers |
| 02:43.33 | dimitry7 | themill, okay, let me try that |
| 02:44.10 | themill | halfbit: so you're exposing daemons to the internet that are using libraries without security support. Sounds like an ideal plan to me. |
| 02:44.34 | themill | Can't imagine who would possibly want to upgrade in that situation |
| 02:45.21 | dimitry7 | themill, I did it, now do I install python2.6 from apt-get ? |
| 02:47.43 | halfbit | well is it considered safe to "upgrade" from ia32-libs to the actual libs, and adding i386 as architecture to dpkg alongside? |
| 02:48.00 | halfbit | because I'm not to eager of breaking everything considering it works atm |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | is it considered safe to have daemons without security support? |
| 02:51.11 | dimitry7 | themill, is it ok to install python 2.6 again now? |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | halfbit: the idea was that multiarch would replace ia32-libs |
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| 02:52.09 | halfbit | I guess I'll read up on multiarch then and consider upgrading |
| 02:52.12 | halfbit | thanks |
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| 02:58.26 | dimitry7 | ln -s /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/bin/python |
| 02:58.42 | dimitry7 | apt-get install --reinstall python python2.6 python2.6-minimal python-uno |
| 02:58.47 | dimitry7 | ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.6 |
| 02:59.15 | dimitry7 | ls -l /usr/bin/python RESULTS IN----> /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python |
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| 03:00.25 | dimitry7 | it resets the link to alternatives every time... |
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| 03:01.11 | dvs | dimitry7: and /etc/alternatives/python links to...? |
| 03:01.41 | dimitry7 | dvs, to this: /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.6 |
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| 03:03.22 | dimitry7 | dvs, what can I do to get rid of that error? |
| 03:03.37 | dimitry7 | I have tried installing and removing packages several times |
| 03:03.59 | deego | dimitry7: tried update-alternatives? |
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| 03:04.58 | dimitry7 | deego, yes I tried this: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.6 1 |
| 03:05.17 | dimitry7 | deego, what other variant of that may I try? |
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| 03:06.44 | deego | dimitry7: Ah, idk, update-alternatives --config python should show you all the choices. I'd try choosing the correct one and see if your problem is not fixed. |
| 03:07.12 | deego | dimitry7: Also, when exactly do you see that error? Upon launching python? |
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| 03:07.29 | dimitry7 | deego, yeah, it says that there is only one alternative, and nothing to configure :-S |
| 03:08.18 | dimitry7 | deego, no, I am running a script that converts *.odt to *.pdf, it works fine on other servers, but I installed python2.7 from source and all became a mess |
| 03:09.12 | dimitry7 | and I see that error launching apt-get -f install |
| 03:09.34 | dimitry7 | or when I reinstall python because the script does not work. But I remove everything I even used purge |
| 03:09.40 | deego | dimitry7: Ah. Interesting. Where is python2.7 installed? /usr/bin? How did you install it? A deb? |
| 03:10.27 | dimitry7 | I installed it in /usr/lib, but I have deleted the installation directory because in the README file I didn't find how to delete it :S |
| 03:10.35 | dimitry7 | how to uninstall it, sorry. |
| 03:10.49 | dimitry7 | deego, no, it was from source from github |
| 03:12.27 | deego | dimitry7: Ah, IDK the first thing about python, but I'd guess like some of your libraries from that github install still exiist somewhere. :) |
| 03:12.45 | deego | s/like// |
| 03:12.46 | dimitry7 | deego, yes :-( |
| 03:13.08 | dimitry7 | how can I make python2.6 overwrite all those? |
| 03:13.29 | dimitry7 | deego, mainly because I need to make this work :-( |
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| 03:15.15 | deego | dimitry7: IDK, does make uninstall not work? That is, doing the opposite of how you installed the github version in the first place? |
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| 03:15.51 | dimitry7 | deego, it says that there is no rule for make :-S |
| 03:16.09 | deego | dimitry7: Also, the only way I allow anything to be installed on my systems is if it's in a deb package. Furthermore, even safer to only do so via repositories. :) |
| 03:16.11 | dimitry7 | yes, I did # make, then # make install... |
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| 03:19.29 | dimitry7 | deego, I am looking for some names including python2.7, hold on bro |
| 03:19.57 | deego | afk :( |
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| 03:20.42 | dimitry7 | deego, no, there is nothing about python2.7 |
| 03:21.13 | dimitry7 | deego, the error stills the same: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to %s" % debian_default |
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| 03:23.04 | dimitry7 | deego, what if I install 2.6 from source? :-D |
| 03:24.08 | skibur | Hello |
| 03:24.11 | deego | Ouch. That looks so nasty. Your apt itself seems messed up because it depends on python, iiuc :( |
| 03:24.36 | dimitry7 | deego, really ? :-S |
| 03:25.01 | deego | dimitry7: yes, you mentioned that merely apt-get -f install is enough to produce the error. ? |
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| 03:25.23 | deego | dimitry7: What if you apt-get check or apt-get update, or just apt-get? Do you still see the error? |
| 03:26.11 | deego | is afk: chores |
| 03:26.16 | dimitry7 | deego, yes yes :-S |
| 03:26.22 | dimitry7 | okay let me try |
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| 03:26.43 | dimitry7 | apt-get check... No errors at all.. it says DONE :-D |
| 03:27.03 | dimitry7 | deego, apt-get update... DONE :-D |
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| 03:28.10 | dimitry7 | deego, any other option :-) |
| 03:28.21 | dimitry7 | deego, my head is overwhelmed :-( |
| 03:29.40 | deego | dimitry7: Paste the erorr. |
| 03:29.53 | dimitry7 | deego, sure |
| 03:30.24 | dimitry7 | deego, here we go: http://pastebin.com/3hR4hyk1 |
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| 03:31.12 | themill | So what is /usr/bin/python at the moment? |
| 03:31.48 | dimitry7 | themill, root root 24 ago 26 21:57 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python |
| 03:32.04 | themill | It should not be. There is no python alternative in debian. |
| 03:32.05 | dimitry7 | themill, and root root 18 ago 26 21:57 /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.6 |
| 03:33.54 | dimitry7 | themill, i point python directly to 2.6 but it resets to alternatives and alternatives to 2.6 |
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| 03:34.44 | themill | I don't believe that |
| 03:34.55 | dimitry7 | themill, sadly :-S |
| 03:36.18 | dimitry7 | deego, did you see the error? |
| 03:36.46 | themill | dimitry7: I'd like to see you actually remove that alternative, set the symlink correctly and then "apt-get -f install". |
| 03:37.17 | dimitry7 | themill, ... yes :-( |
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| 03:37.34 | themill | dimitry7: no... I'd like to see real output confirming that you've done that |
| 03:38.17 | deego | dimitry7: I see: This paste has been removed! |
| 03:38.39 | dimitry7 | themill, is this?: http://pastebin.com/66xxin6s |
| 03:39.20 | dimitry7 | deego, no, really? this is it again: http://pastebin.com/T54BSDEw |
| 03:39.40 | themill | dimitry7: that only tells me that the link is incorrectly set to point to the alternatives. It doesn't tell me that you removed the alternative, set the link correctly and then asked apt to do something |
| 03:39.40 | deego | dimitry7: Also, it looks like you can safely purge python without messing with core debian stuff. So, I would apt-get purge python, comment out any non-extra crap from sources.list, and then reinstall things as needed. (Also, that's just what I'd do. I'm no authority on anything. :) |
| 03:40.20 | dimitry7 | themill, oh when I executed the command is a long ago, it isn't on screen now |
| 03:40.31 | deego | dimitry7: Ah, I see it. Yeah, I'd purge /every/ python package and go from there. |
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| 03:40.49 | deego | dimitry7: And, after purging, search in /usr and /lib, to make sure there's nothing python remaining. |
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| 03:41.05 | themill | dimitry7: how about doing it again. I want you to actually verify that you have removed the alternative and made the symlink correctly. The commands you showed earlier (without showing their output...) would not do so. |
| 03:41.16 | dimitry7 | deego, is it ok if I purge anything from this: # dpkg -l |grep python .. ?? |
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| 03:41.45 | deego | dimitry7: I'd first see if themill can help you :) |
| 03:41.53 | deego | ensuring symlinks, etc. |
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| 03:44.22 | dimitry7 | themill, this is it: http://pastebin.com/VrQJc8Rt |
| 03:44.32 | dimitry7 | deego, let's see :-) |
| 03:44.59 | themill | dimitry7: that looks better. Now let's "apt-get -f install" |
| 03:45.08 | dimitry7 | themill, perfect, okay |
| 03:45.40 | dimitry7 | themill, everything ok: http://pastebin.com/VhHCttGY |
| 03:46.03 | dimitry7 | themill, and then? |
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| 03:47.53 | themill | dimitry7: yeah, python-central is now happy which is what was failing earlier |
| 03:48.11 | dimitry7 | themill, okay, perfect :-D |
| 03:48.28 | dimitry7 | themill, what is the next step ? :-) |
| 03:48.46 | themill | I'm hoping that everything will be approximately happy now. |
| 03:48.52 | deego | :) |
| 03:49.22 | dimitry7 | themill, okay, may I do: apt-get install python python2.6 python2.6-minimal ? |
| 03:49.32 | themill | I'd imagine they're already installed. |
| 03:49.54 | themill | No harm in checking. You may want to run "debsums -a -s" to verify that the packages are all ok. |
| 03:49.59 | dimitry7 | themill, Lol, yes!!! You guessed it, I didn't even know lol |
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| 03:50.48 | Myconix | is there any way to force the gnome-mplayer package to use GTK2 instead of GTK3? |
| 03:50.56 | themill | When it comes to upgrading to wheezy, if there are bits of python2.7 still around they will either just be overwritten by apt and cause no problems or be accidentally picked up by wheezy's python and cause installation of the updated packages to fail. |
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| 03:51.47 | themill | dimitry7: so hunting around for extra stuff in /usr/lib/python2.7 and /usr/local/lib/python2.7 and cleaning appropriately wouldn't be a bad plan |
| 03:51.48 | dimitry7 | themill, working.... :-) |
| 03:52.32 | Onixs | hey… same Q...if i change the whole repo of sources.list, will my current installed debs be downgraded if the new repo have the lower version of that particular deb? |
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| 03:53.19 | mumpitzel | Onixs: no downgrade is ever down by apt |
| 03:53.53 | dimitry7 | themill, ready: this is the output: http://pastebin.com/d9R7nQeZ |
| 03:53.55 | dimitry7 | :-D |
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| 03:54.36 | dimitry7 | themill, bad news? :-(... I am checkin up directories. |
| 03:54.48 | Onixs | ah ok.. coz i change repo of UK to US, and noticed that there is availabe updates when i tried apt-get update/upgrade |
| 03:55.28 | dimitry7 | themill, directories clean: http://pastebin.com/CvbsaE6p |
| 03:56.19 | themill | dimitry7: I assume you're happy with the config file changes. You can "aptitude reinstall $(debsums -l)" to generate the debsums for the packages you are missing. Reinstalling the python-libsmbios package should fix those issues that are flagged up there (or it might be a bug in the packaging for that package, I'm not sure) |
| 03:57.49 | dimitry7 | themill, wow... okay, I will execute "aptitude reinstall $(debsums -l)" then: aptitude install python-libsmbios |
| 03:58.30 | themill | it will be aptitude reinstall python-libsmbios |
| 03:58.39 | dimitry7 | themill, perfect! |
| 03:58.59 | dimitry7 | themill, ready!, no errors, all OK |
| 03:59.15 | dimitry7 | themill, what else bro? |
| 03:59.25 | themill | try not to break it again? |
| 03:59.55 | dimitry7 | themill, sure lol, but guess what, my script doesn't work yet :-( |
| 04:00.19 | dimitry7 | see: http://pastebin.com/PAq10BCg |
| 04:00.20 | themill | hates to imagine |
| 04:00.40 | themill | is this just unoconv? |
| 04:00.42 | dimitry7 | themill, the script is OK, since it worked befor the upgrade |
| 04:00.53 | dimitry7 | themill, yes, python-uno |
| 04:01.15 | deego | I just ran debsums -l. I wonder why it reported debsums: no md5sums for doc-debian. AFAIK, I /never/ messed with its configuration file. |
| 04:01.36 | deego | or did anything other than keep a nice, clean, debian system. |
| 04:02.46 | themill | deego: not all packages have md5sums |
| 04:03.19 | deego | themill: But, then, I purged and reinstall doc-debian. And, debsums -l stopped complaining about it. |
| 04:04.20 | dimitry7 | themill, bro, I must go right now... thanks for all your help. There is something wrong yet, but if I find you here, I will come back in 1 hour and a half, or hopefully tomorrow. Good night!!! |
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| 04:05.14 | themill | deego: yes, debsums adds an apt hook to generate missing md5sums on install |
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| 04:07.33 | deego | themill: Ah. Thanks. |
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| 04:08.29 | themill | (and from wheezy onwards, dpkg does this for you and you don't need debsums to do it) |
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| 04:11.51 | fender0107401 | I have installed postgresql on my debian system, but I can't login with postgres. What is the default pass? |
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| 04:15.27 | qman__ | fender0107401, there isn't one; su postgres as root |
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| 04:16.16 | fender0107401 | you mean i have become root first? |
| 04:16.25 | fender0107401 | and su to postgres? |
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| 04:17.41 | qman__ | yes |
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| 04:24.55 | fender0107401 | su -l > bocome root > su become postgres > su become psql > alter user postgres with password 'new password'; |
| 04:25.01 | fender0107401 | :) |
| 04:25.15 | fender0107401 | That is what I did. |
| 04:25.40 | fender0107401 | Now, I can login with this: psql -h localhost -U postgres |
| 04:25.47 | fender0107401 | and my password. |
| 04:26.52 | zeta- | I don't think I have repositories set up correctly, using Synaptic |
| 04:27.13 | zeta- | any idea what the default should be? |
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| 04:30.37 | mumpitzel | !tell zeta- about wheezy sources.list |
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| 04:33.41 | zeta- | mumpitzel: is that a cmd to bot, to help me? |
| 04:34.50 | mumpitzel | yes. you got a message from dpkg |
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| 04:41.29 | zeta- | mumpitzel: sorry! I'm on pidgin, and it seems sub-optimal for irc: I didn't receive dpkg's msg. |
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| 04:43.07 | phantomcircuit | im having trouble getting videos to play inside of vmware |
| 04:43.31 | phantomcircuit | running 7.1 inside a vmware 9.0.2 host is windows 8 |
| 04:43.36 | phantomcircuit | video in totem is just a black box |
| 04:43.41 | phantomcircuit | audio plays correctly |
| 04:44.31 | phantomcircuit | 3d acceleration enabled/disabled doesn't seem to make a difference |
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| 04:48.25 | phantomcircuit | playing in vlc w/ acceleration disabled seems to work |
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| 04:53.04 | mumpitzel | !wheezy sources list |
| 04:53.11 | mumpitzel | !wheezy sources.list |
| 04:53.12 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:53.17 | mumpitzel | zeta-: now you can see it? |
| 04:53.44 | zeta- | mumpitzel: B) thanks |
| 04:53.48 | sett | is there any safe way to change lilo for grub? |
| 04:54.13 | mumpitzel | sett: there is no unsafe way. just install whichever you want |
| 04:54.33 | sett | mumixam, got lilo installed, want to change it for grub |
| 04:55.32 | mumpitzel | then install grub. what's preventing you? |
| 04:55.57 | sett | mumpitzel> afraid to break the multiple os boot i have |
| 04:56.15 | roger21 | i liked lilo better you could have a 14-ful-colored bitmap at boot, so kawai |
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| 05:01.13 | Gonzalo | How can I see all the avaiable versions that I can choose for a particular package to be installed with apt? |
| 05:01.41 | roger21 | apt-cache policy i'd say |
| 05:03.00 | Gonzalo | I mean I tried to install dkim (last version) but I have an incompatibility problem that I cannot solve (I cannot update my kernel) so I am trying to see all the dkim versions avaiable |
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| 05:03.11 | Gonzalo | to see if i can install a previous version} |
| 05:04.14 | themill | Gonzalo: precisely what package are you trying to install? |
| 05:05.38 | Gonzalo | opendkim |
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| 05:05.51 | Gonzalo | last version is 2.8 I will try with 2.6 or previous |
| 05:06.13 | Gonzalo | but I don't really know how to do it |
| 05:06.15 | themill | Gonzalo: and what release of debian are you running? |
| 05:07.12 | Gonzalo | squeeze |
| 05:07.42 | themill | opendkim 2.8 isn't available for squeeze. Where is this package from? |
| 05:08.21 | themill | Gonzalo: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt perl libc6 multiarch-support; uname -r; apt-cache policy" for us |
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| 05:08.59 | Gonzalo | sure, in #flood? |
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| 05:09.59 | Gonzalo | done http://pastebin.com/L1dh7kua |
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| 05:11.17 | themill | hmm.. interesting mixture of lenny and squeeze there |
| 05:11.19 | Gonzalo | themill I am having a problem when I try to install opendkim because it requires libc6 to be updated but I cannot do it without update the Kernel, and the server that i am using right now they don't allow to do such thing... |
| 05:11.38 | themill | Gonzalo: opendkim in squeeze doesn't require a newer libc6. |
| 05:11.46 | themill | where are you getting this opendkim package from? |
| 05:11.59 | Gonzalo | just from the stardard repository |
| 05:12.03 | themill | no |
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| 05:12.56 | Coburn | How new is debian's gnome3 package? |
| 05:13.00 | Coburn | The one with the "new" UI |
| 05:13.12 | Gonzalo | I was trying with different repositories in order to update the kernel, but I am using the standart repositories |
| 05:13.33 | themill | Gonzalo: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy opendkim; apt-get install opendkim" |
| 05:13.34 | Coburn | what version kernel, Gonzalo? |
| 05:13.59 | Gonzalo | Coburn 2.6.18-308 |
| 05:14.02 | themill | Gonzalo: you can't update your kernel in that sort of virtual machine. You can't upgrade beyond squeeze |
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| 05:14.43 | themill | (in fact even some squeeze packages are going to be unhappy with that kernel) |
| 05:14.58 | Gonzalo | here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/HCXkjYWD |
| 05:15.33 | Gonzalo | themill I realized that now, I am trying to install some packages and I am getting the same error that u are seeing in the pastebin |
| 05:15.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Gonzalo about partial downgrade |
| 05:16.08 | themill | Gonzalo: actually, before you do that... |
| 05:16.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Gonzalo about not available |
| 05:16.25 | themill | Gonzalo: can you pastebin the entire output from that long aptitude command dpkg just gave you? |
| 05:16.35 | engblom` | Wheezy + ext4 seems to buggy. During a normal install, it messed up the filesystem so I even had to do a fsck. Now I would need to repair the system. How do I get it to reinstall every single package without having to type 'apt-get install --reinstall <package-name>' for each package? |
| 05:16.47 | Gonzalo | Sure |
| 05:17.06 | themill | engblom`: aptitude reinstall ~i (or you could just check them with debsums) |
| 05:17.47 | engblom` | Thanks |
| 05:18.00 | themill | engblom`: btw I'd be more suspicious of your hardware than of wheezy's ext4 given how widely deployed it is. |
| 05:18.31 | engblom` | I am normally using only xfs and this was the first time I tried to use ext4. I was too lazy to make my partitions manually this time. |
| 05:18.55 | engblom` | I checked the hard disk with smartmontools. It looks like it is ok. |
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| 05:19.51 | Gonzalo | Here it is http://pastebin.com/Eny92Ef2 |
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| 05:20.06 | qman__ | I have to agree with themill, I've installed many wheezy systems with ext4 without issue, and have been using ext4 in general since late 2009 without any such problems |
| 05:20.43 | themill | Gonzalo: ouch |
| 05:21.16 | Gonzalo | This must have happened when I updated php |
| 05:21.48 | themill | You appear to have a mixture of lenny, squeeze and wheezy and a lot of broken dependencies. |
| 05:22.13 | themill | And possibly some packages from sid too if you've got an opendkim 2.8 floating around. |
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| 05:22.50 | qman__ | and I thought our half-etch half-lenny mail server at work was bad |
| 05:22.57 | Gonzalo | yeap, my kernel belongs to squeeze right? |
| 05:23.19 | qman__ | no |
| 05:23.30 | themill | Gonzalo: no, your kernel belongs to RHEL5 by the looks of it. |
| 05:24.01 | themill | virtuozzo ftl |
| 05:24.17 | Gonzalo | Ohh that is weird, this is a virtualize server, but I choosed debian some time ago. |
| 05:24.44 | qman__ | it's a limitation/feature of the virtualization tech you're using |
| 05:24.45 | themill | it looks like the sort of virtualisation where you don't get to run your own kernel |
| 05:24.55 | qman__ | you run the host's kernel, you don't get a choice |
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| 05:25.13 | Gonzalo | yeah, that is the problem I wanted to update but it is not allow... |
| 05:25.26 | Gonzalo | right |
| 05:25.35 | Gonzalo | So, what is the best option to sort out this mess? |
| 05:25.36 | qman__ | complain to your service provider |
| 05:25.49 | themill | Did you happen to take a snapshot of this VM before you started fiddling? |
| 05:25.49 | qman__ | get them to roll into something released in the last five years |
| 05:26.47 | Gonzalo | No I didn't |
| 05:26.52 | Gonzalo | why' |
| 05:27.11 | qman__ | because that's pretty much the only practical way of undoing the mess you have now |
| 05:27.14 | themill | because restoring that snapshot would be the best way of sorting this out |
| 05:27.29 | Gonzalo | I see |
| 05:27.39 | Gonzalo | and to what version should I go? |
| 05:27.51 | themill | You can only run squeeze on that VM |
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| 05:27.57 | Gonzalo | since I cannot upgrade everything to debian 7 |
| 05:28.02 | Gonzalo | I see |
| 05:28.35 | themill | I'd be pestering that host for a newer host platform or voting with my feet here. Squeeze doesn't have a lot more support left in it. |
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| 05:30.16 | Gonzalo | I know, I just want to sort this out, because so far it was stable, I need it for another 2 months then I will move everything to a new server, my actual provider is really bad |
| 05:30.42 | qman__ | yeah, I wasn't joking about that five years comment |
| 05:30.51 | qman__ | that version of RHEL came out in march 2007 |
| 05:31.27 | Gonzalo | yeah is pretty old |
| 05:31.49 | Gonzalo | So my source.list is right? in order to try to start to solve the version problem with aptitude? |
| 05:32.26 | qman__ | with the possible exception of that third party PHP source |
| 05:32.36 | qman__ | wheezy is current "stable", so that might be giving you wheezy packages |
| 05:32.58 | qman__ | squeeze is oldstable |
| 05:33.51 | Gonzalo | but I will be able to run php 5.5 on squeeze? |
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| 05:39.56 | Gonzalo | Actually do u think if I fix first the libc6 my php5.4 will stop to work? |
| 05:40.11 | engblom` | reinstalled with xfs and everythin works ok. After this he is even more afraid of ext4. |
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| 05:42.25 | Didji | Hi. I'm trying to have a script run at startup, after everything else, but it's happening. How can I find out why? |
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| 05:42.39 | Didji | isn't* happeing, I meant |
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| 05:50.05 | engblom` | Didji: rc.local? |
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| 05:51.34 | Didji | engblom' I'm using update-rc.d, but whatever works I'm willing to use. |
| 05:52.13 | Didji | update-rc.d seems to give me no errors, but when I reboot, the script hasn't run as it does when I just run it once logged in. |
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| 05:53.32 | themill | Didji: is it located in the right place in the boot sequence? |
| 05:53.49 | Didji | themill: How do you mean? |
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| 05:54.07 | themill | where is it in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 05:54.13 | itaita | hi, i have two pcs (pc1, pc2) on the same network (192.168.1.0/24). Both pcs have dummy nic dummy0 (10.10.11.1/24, 10.10.12.1/24). The rouoting is properly set but when I ping the dummy0 from one of the PCs the pings never reach the dummy0 interface - instead the eth0 replies the ping. is there a way to get the pings on dummy0? |
| 05:54.19 | Didji | No, /etc/init.d/script-name |
| 05:54.37 | themill | Didji: what update-rc.d command did you give? |
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| 05:55.12 | Didji | themill: update-rc.d script-name defaults |
| 05:55.18 | themill | Didji: it's not the scripts in /etc/init.d that are executed, it's the ones in /etc/rc?.d (/etc/rc2.d by default) |
| 05:55.49 | Coburn | dpkg help |
| 05:56.13 | Didji | themill: Really? Because all I did was take someone elses standalone script, rename it and added a couple of lines, and wen through the same process. |
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| 05:56.42 | themill | Didji: so where is the script in the rc2.d sequence? |
| 05:56.54 | Didji | themill: I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 05:56.59 | Didji | Here's what I followed: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 05:57.05 | themill | look in /etc/rc2.d |
| 05:57.40 | Didji | I see something called s17 script-name |
| 05:57.48 | Didji | I assume that's what you're asking? |
| 05:57.50 | themill | please be precise |
| 05:58.07 | Didji | What more info? |
| 05:58.22 | themill | I bet it's not called "s17 script-name" |
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| 05:58.26 | Didji | There's a file called /etc/rc2.d/s17script-name |
| 05:58.27 | Didji | Oh, I see. |
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| 05:58.37 | Didji | s17vpn-torrents |
| 05:58.44 | Didji | vpn-torrents being my script name. |
| 05:58.57 | Didji | (obviously this scripts starts up a vpn before a torrent client) |
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| 06:00.57 | themill | How is your network configured? network-manager? |
| 06:01.21 | Didji | Yes. |
| 06:01.28 | Shi3A | abrotman: babilen: my yesterday's problem - a package liborc-0.4.0 in i386 repository is not updated to the latest version like in the repository amd64, when I did the upgrade system |
| 06:01.49 | themill | Didji: so your vpn can't actually come up until network-manager is running and has made a network connection |
| 06:02.13 | Didji | Indeed, but I thought I'd done the right thing to achieve that. |
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| 06:02.32 | themill | Didji: does network-manager actually start the network connection before you've logged in? |
| 06:02.54 | Didji | Yes, I can ssh to the machine while there is no one logged in. |
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| 06:03.25 | themill | Didji: there's probably still a race condition there in that network-manager daemon starting up doesn't mean that there's a working network connection |
| 06:03.26 | Didji | Should I be changing this thing to sXvpn-torrents, where X is some lower number, then? |
| 06:03.36 | Didji | I see. |
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| 06:04.07 | themill | Didji: no, the numbers are automatically managed. It sounds like a good candidate for an if-up.d script in /etc/network |
| 06:04.59 | Didji | This is the right thing to read? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnNetworkConnectionRunScript |
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| 06:23.50 | Didji | I have been learning how to this for 2 weeks, and it *finally* FUCKING worked. Thank-you themill. |
| 06:23.58 | Didji | Bye. |
| 06:24.02 | themill | \o/ |
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| 07:20.00 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 07:20.34 | cousin_luigi | After upgrading to wheezy, hostapd stopped working: are there significant configuration differences between 0.6 and 1.0 ? |
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| 07:23.44 | mumpitzel | cousin_luigi: I had to run a newer kernel, not 3.2. then hostapd worked fine |
| 07:23.55 | mumpitzel | but that was when it was still testing (but frozen) |
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| 07:25.11 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: What was the problem? |
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| 07:25.34 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: for some reason none of my clients can authenticate anymore. |
| 07:25.38 | mumpitzel | just didn't work in hostap mode IIRC (on a atheros chip) |
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| 07:26.47 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: what kernel were you using? |
| 07:27.08 | mumpitzel | 3.2 at first, then 3.9 |
| 07:27.12 | mumpitzel | worked with 3.9 |
| 07:27.19 | cousin_luigi | I'm using 3.8 now |
| 07:27.35 | mumpitzel | why? that's not any current debian kernel |
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| 07:28.09 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: it's not, but the patches for my device are available for that one |
| 07:28.33 | mumpitzel | what device, what patches? |
| 07:28.40 | nhaines | I'm having some trouble getting my network set up on this Debian install over here. |
| 07:29.02 | nhaines | I'm running Debian 0.93R6 and hoping to get a kernel module for my NIC. |
| 07:29.13 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: a pcengines wrap board |
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| 07:30.54 | cousin_luigi | mumpitzel: do you recall what was the problem for you? Did the daemon start up at all? |
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| 07:31.42 | mumpitzel | I think it didn't. quite some time ago it was, sorry |
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| 07:31.52 | mumpitzel | which is why I had to change kernels |
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| 07:54.56 | PapaSierra | morning. i'm trying to upgrade php 5.3.10 to 5.4. i ran "apt-get install --yes php5-fpm php5-mysql php5-curl php5-cli php5-mcrypt php5-gd php-apc" but its saying "php5-mysql : Depends: libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1) but it is not installable" |
| 07:58.02 | themill | PapaSierra: you don't just upgrade from php 5.3 to php 5.4, you upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 07:58.33 | PapaSierra | themill: right, but i've done this before using the dotdeg ppa |
| 07:59.00 | themill | :( |
| 07:59.36 | themill | I think I'd rather pour petrol over my machine that use their packages. |
| 08:00.03 | nhaines | themill: how do you really feel about it? |
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| 08:00.11 | themill | gets some matches |
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| 08:00.31 | Gues_____ | Hi! I'm kinda shaky on installing stuff on my rented server… but i'd love to get slomovideo going |
| 08:00.38 | Gues_____ | anybody have experience with this application? |
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| 08:01.33 | git-shell | Hi Guys, I got debian 7.1 installed, and libreoffice 3.5 that was installed with it, any time I use the Libreoffice, It freezes my pc totaly, nothing works but reisub, what can I do to solve this? |
| 08:01.34 | lotherk | themill: what's the problem with dotdeb? |
| 08:02.01 | mumpitzel | !tell lotherk about dotdeb |
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| 08:02.20 | nhaines | Now I'm curious. |
| 08:02.21 | lotherk | I was not asking what dotdeb is. |
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| 08:02.26 | nhaines | !tell nhaines about dotdeb |
| 08:02.30 | lotherk | I was asking what themill's problem with dotdeb is. |
| 08:02.35 | mumpitzel | kode101: what happens if you try to install the .deb they provide for "older systems"? |
| 08:02.56 | liujianfeng | I got the error :"E: GPG error: http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2"when I use apt-get update,any ideas? |
| 08:03.10 | lotherk | import its gpg key |
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| 08:03.41 | PapaSierra | well i'm actually on ubuntu 12.04 but i need something like dotdeb in order to upgrade |
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| 08:03.45 | liujianfeng | lotherk, how to import the gpg key? |
| 08:03.55 | jelly-home | lotherk: the key for a debian mirror is present in the installation by default, there's no need to import one |
| 08:04.19 | lotherk | didn't know that mirrors.ustc.edu.cn is an official mirror |
| 08:04.29 | jelly-home | it does not have to be official |
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| 08:04.45 | liujianfeng | lotherk, it is an official mirror in china |
| 08:04.45 | nhaines | It mirrors the Debian official repos; the packages are still signed with the same key. |
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| 08:05.12 | themill | lotherk: poor quality packages that have no upgrade path between their own packages or back to the debian packages for the next release |
| 08:05.28 | lotherk | but they had fpm in squeeze.. |
| 08:05.38 | jelly-home | (if they mirror correctly, the Release files and the rest will be copied as-is) |
| 08:05.43 | git-shell | anyone got any suggestion please? |
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| 08:07.12 | themill | liujianfeng: NODATA says that the Release file wasn't signed at all -- NODATA 1 and NODATA 2 probably means that a 0 byte file was transmitted. Either your mirror is utterly broken or something between you and the mirror ate the data. |
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| 08:08.20 | rbnielsen | !tell rbnielsen about dotdeb |
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| 08:09.53 | liujianfeng | themill: I found the file is in the mirror through my browser,the mirror should be fine |
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| 08:11.44 | gnarface | i think it was gremlins |
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| 08:12.56 | themill | liujianfeng: are you doing this on a wireless network that requires you to log in? Or is there a proxy that you need to use? |
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| 08:14.04 | liujianfeng | themill: not a wireless network,I ssh to a virtualbox,network is fine |
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| 08:18.16 | enchie | Hey guys im having a problem installing bumblebee-nvidia and primus, im getting this error http://pastebin.com/gYCCGGA4. Obviously something to do with my sources.list |
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| 08:25.29 | musca | ,v bumblebee-nvidia --release wheezy-backports --arch amd64 |
| 08:25.30 | judd | Package: bumblebee-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-1~bpo70+1 |
| 08:26.00 | heru | Quick question: let's say I have a box running jessie and want the version of a package from sid. Is there a good tool that would let me do something like apt-get source my-fab-pkg ? (without adding sid to my sources.list) |
| 08:26.07 | musca | enchie: did you do 'apt-get update' after changing sources? |
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| 08:27.12 | enchie | musca, I feel so embarrased xD but thanks!! |
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| 08:28.28 | musca | enchie: no problem, you are welcome. |
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| 08:31.54 | heru | Hmm - so if i just add sid's deb-src line to my sources.list it would freak apt out when doing normal package operations (other than apt-source) ? |
| 08:32.04 | heru | apt-source = apt-get source |
| 08:32.08 | mumpitzel | it won't |
| 08:32.16 | heru | wuhu! thx! |
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| 08:39.42 | Spec-Chum | hmm, gnome-session-fallback : Depends: metacity (>= 2.30) but it is not going to be installed; but metacity is already at 2.34.13-1; odd |
| 08:40.11 | Spec-Chum | last time I checked, 2.34 was > 2.30 |
| 08:40.20 | Slydder | hey all. I am experiencing some strange results in net connectivity. I have 2 vlans active and can ping the 1 vlan without problems. however, i can only seem to ping a single host in the second vlan. here is further info: http://pastie.itadmins.net/MUg8pZvf |
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| 08:43.07 | jelly | Slydder: why is eth0 both a bonding member and a native trunk used to get vlan6? |
| 08:43.27 | Slydder | atm it's the only way to get vlan6 access |
| 08:43.52 | jelly | Slydder: configure your switches correctly or do not use bonding |
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| 08:47.12 | Slydder | bonding is a requirement for the setup. the problem is the switch. will have to take a drive to hamburg tomorrow. :( |
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| 08:50.44 | pduersteler | quite new about this: I am trying to get an official package and modify it before installing it, so I can keep the package configuration and don't have to wrangle with it when compiling from source (which results in files installed at wrong locations). Where do I find the unpacked deb pkg from dpkg --unpack <pkg> ? |
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| 08:54.22 | mumpitzel | pduersteler: in . but the better way would be to get the sources of the package (apt-get source), make the necessary changes including a change of version maybe, and then install the result via dpkg -i |
| 08:54.47 | Ronald_Reagan | Using squeeze. With this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze He says: "and make sure you have the following line in it:" What if my line isn't what he says it is, and says /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server instead? Is this something that I should change? |
| 08:55.14 | pduersteler | mumpitzel: thx |
| 08:55.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell pduersteler -about package recompile |
| 08:55.35 | babilen | pduersteler: Also look into apt-src |
| 08:55.36 | ex-parrot | Ronald_Reagan: yeah, change the line to what the tutorial says |
| 08:56.00 | pduersteler | I will, thx both |
| 08:56.03 | Ronald_Reagan | ex-parrot: thank you :) What is the difference? |
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| 08:57.41 | ex-parrot | Ronald_Reagan: have a look at man 5 sshd_config |
| 08:58.57 | Ronald_Reagan | ex-parrot: thank you :) |
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| 09:03.56 | Ronald_Reagan | How would I add a group? Apparently debian doesn't have groupadd? |
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| 09:04.56 | ksk | Ronald_Reagan: are you root? no? |
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| 09:05.37 | Ronald_Reagan | ksk: thank you. I'm tired and didn't realize I didn't prepend sudo |
| 09:05.53 | enchie | is there a way i can check my graphics card is functioning? |
| 09:06.08 | enchie | just installed bumblebee for optimus |
| 09:06.10 | ksk | enchie: you see something on the monitor |
| 09:06.17 | enchie | ... |
| 09:06.20 | mamed | hello guys . i have a debian 6 in my virtual machine and i installed ftpd i did the settings but how can i make a connection between my host windows and guest debian ftp server |
| 09:06.32 | enchie | ksk, that could be my intel card silly |
| 09:06.45 | enchie | i have two graphics cards with nvidia optimus |
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| 09:07.03 | enchie | using bumblebee and proprietary drivers |
| 09:07.09 | tvm | mamed: install a FTP client on your windows box and connect to the debian box IP ? |
| 09:07.15 | ksk | mamed: thats more an virtualisation question? like "how do i connect my vm to network" - see your virtualisations documentation |
| 09:07.24 | mamed | tvm: did not work i installed filezilla |
| 09:07.39 | tvm | mamed: can you ping the box ? |
| 09:08.21 | mamed | from windows i tried NO :( |
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| 09:08.34 | tvm | as ksk said, it's matter of your virtualisation software, specifically network bridging between the host and guest |
| 09:08.37 | mamed | %50 loss |
| 09:08.54 | mamed | ksk: |
| 09:09.14 | mumpitzel | mamed: by using bridged networking for your VM |
| 09:09.18 | mamed | tvm: hm ok . ksk can you help me about that |
| 09:09.28 | mumpitzel | mamed: #virtualbox |
| 09:09.29 | mamed | mumpitzel: it is bridged network . |
| 09:09.34 | mumpitzel | mamed: and the software has a manual too |
| 09:09.40 | mumpitzel | mamed: what IP does your debian have? |
| 09:09.47 | ksk | naquad: no i cannot. you did not even mention WHICH software you are using |
| 09:09.53 | mamed | 192.168.40.48. |
| 09:09.59 | mamed | diferent ip i am in a wired network |
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| 09:10.17 | mumpitzel | mamed: and your windows has which IPs? |
| 09:10.19 | mamed | ksk: virtualkbox . windows 7 por host and debian 6 guest bridged |
| 09:10.24 | bhuddah | mamed: have you fixed your network alrady? |
| 09:10.33 | mamed | my win 192.168.40.249 same space |
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| 09:10.48 | mamed | bhuddah: yes now it works idid apt-get update |
| 09:11.03 | bhuddah | and you could ping anywhere in the internet with 0% packet loss? |
| 09:11.44 | mamed | well from windows %50 loss from debian ping www.google.com no loss |
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| 09:12.16 | bhuddah | mamed: so please fix the net problem until packetloss is far below 1% |
| 09:12.43 | mamed | bhuddah: from debian guest no loss if i ping my debian from win which is the host %50 |
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| 09:13.15 | hans_henrik | asdf |
| 09:13.16 | bhuddah | mamed: packet loss should always be 0. everything above 0 is a sign that there is some misconfiguration or error somewhere. |
| 09:13.28 | mamed | hm . ok |
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| 09:14.04 | Spec-Chum | the perl updates breaks Sid |
| 09:14.06 | Spec-Chum | whoops |
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| 09:14.43 | mamed | bhuddah: ping from my win to debian no loss otherwise no loss also |
| 09:14.49 | mamed | network issue is ok bhuddah |
| 09:15.00 | mamed | so ftp misconf ??? |
| 09:16.37 | mamed | ok solved some issue and it game 530 incorrect login error |
| 09:16.45 | mamed | i think i am near to solution |
| 09:18.15 | bhuddah | :) |
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| 09:22.26 | swook` | has anyone had problems on Sid with perlapi-5.14.2? |
| 09:23.14 | ksk | swook: better ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:23.58 | swook | ah, thanks |
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| 09:30.51 | mamed | ftpd login 530 error . las step |
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| 09:53.56 | Spec-Chum | swook: yeah, new perl breaks sid |
| 09:54.07 | Spec-Chum | tried to remove pretty much everything |
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| 09:56.49 | swook | Spec-Chum: It did indeed :( |
| 09:56.53 | swook | thanks for confirming :) |
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| 09:58.32 | Spec-Chum | swook: not that I can get that far, gnome-session-fallback : Depends: metacity (>= 2.30) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 09:58.38 | Spec-Chum | I get that ^^ |
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| 09:59.46 | scx | hello |
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| 10:00.59 | scx | can anyone show me result of this command?: test -L "$(which awk)" && readlink -f "$(which awk)" || echo "$(which awk)"; grep "" /etc/*-release |
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| 10:01.06 | scx | thanks in advance |
| 10:03.30 | bhuddah | scx: what should it do? |
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| 10:03.50 | Gnu-centric | Does anyone actually use the "current" Iceweasel in stable (3.5.x)? |
| 10:03.50 | Spec-Chum | scx: http://paste.debian.net/30783/ |
| 10:05.43 | Rydekull | scx: the correct way is to address /usr/bin/awk, it should point to the 'valid' version of awk on that machine. If you care for which awk is being used, address that specific awk instead of it |
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| 10:06.01 | scx | Spec-Chum: thanks |
| 10:06.37 | scx | i just want to know what is default Debian's awk interpreter: gawk or mawk |
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| 10:08.58 | Rydekull | scx: mawk |
| 10:09.05 | Rydekull | it'd been a easier question to ask upfront |
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| 10:09.12 | babilen | Gnu-centric: What if you found this hypothetical person? You will, however, realise that many wheezy users install newer Iceweasel versions from http://mozilla.debian.net -- but just ask your real question and not meta questions like the one above. |
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| 10:10.21 | eugenmayer | i have 3 servers. hidden, proxy and destination. what i do is connecting from proxy to destination, using local port forwarding. Now i want to access the forwarded port from hidden using telnet proxy <port> but it does not work - i guess that port forward is only valid for the "ssh session" |
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| 10:11.32 | bhuddah | eugenmayer: no, it should work. but it is better to build the connection from hidden to proxy first and then connect to the target from that connection. |
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| 10:12.01 | mosez | kann ich ulimit auch ueber sysctl steuern? nur global und nicht fuer einzelne user oder? |
| 10:12.06 | mosez | wc |
| 10:12.10 | dbast | Gnu-centric, the current iceweasel in stable is 17.0.8 which is the uptodate esr version of firefox http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/iceweasel |
| 10:12.10 | excalibr | Hey is there way to disable caching *.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives when you download a package? |
| 10:12.19 | Gnu-centric | babilen: I'm serious. Your response implies that very few people stay w/ the default Iceweasel in stable. If that is true, I must ask: |
| 10:12.22 | ksk | mosez: see #debian.de |
| 10:12.45 | mosez | ksk: yeah, wrong channel. wanted to post on #debian-de :) |
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| 10:13.08 | eugenmayer | bhuddah: so first ssh port forward ( local forward ) from hidden to proxy, and the local forward the same port again? and the user telnet localhost <port> on hidden? |
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| 10:13.37 | bhuddah | eugenmayer: uhm... what are you trying to do btw? |
| 10:13.39 | babilen | Gnu-centric: Hmm? |
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| 10:14.38 | Gnu-centric | dbast: I had thought it was 3.5.x but now that you mention 17.0.8 esr (which I know from Tails and TBB, btw), I think I recall... |
| 10:14.41 | eugenmayer | bharrison: hidden is a deployment server, destination is a client. i need to use proxy as kind of a gateway to negotiate between the clients VPN network ( proxy is connected there using a cisco client ) and the network hidden / proxy are in |
| 10:15.18 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: 3.5 is the version in *squeeze* but *squeeze* is no longer debian stable. |
| 10:15.37 | scx | Rydekull: how to set gawk as default awk in Debian Way? using update-alternatives? |
| 10:15.37 | babilen | Gnu-centric: What is your question? |
| 10:15.40 | dbast | Gnu-centric, 7.0 had 3.5.X … 7.1 brought us 17.0.8 ear |
| 10:15.43 | babilen | judd: v iceweasel |
| 10:15.44 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 23.0.1-1; experimental: 24.0~b4-1 |
| 10:15.49 | Gnu-centric | gnarface: ah, ok, yes, thank you |
| 10:16.04 | eugenmayer | bharrison: i could do it the routing way also, but i prefered the ssh port forward for now |
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| 10:16.29 | babilen | Gnu-centric: And all release channels (esr, release, beta and aurora) are availale from http://mozilla.debian.net -- But I am still curious what your question is! :) |
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| 10:16.39 | dbast | ah. 7.0 has 10 esr … 7.1 has 17esr |
| 10:16.42 | Gonzalo | I would like to know what version of libc6 should I have in debian squeeze? |
| 10:17.18 | gnarface | Gonzalo: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 10:17.27 | babilen | Gonzalo: 2.11 - there really is no other way. |
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| 10:18.56 | Gnu-centric | but was it not the case that 3.5.x *was*, for at least some time, the newest Iceweasel in the /previous/ stable-- even long after 3.5.x had been deprecated for some time, w/ numerous, known vulns? |
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| 10:19.20 | Gnu-centric | I've just been perplexed by that for some time |
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| 10:19.55 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: wrong, there were a ton of backported patches for those vulnerabilities |
| 10:20.03 | babilen | Gnu-centric: Stable releases are that, stable .. they don't change. |
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| 10:20.38 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: and you could still order pizza with it just fine |
| 10:21.27 | babilen | Gnu-centric: We do still provide security fixes for various bugs, but *not* new versions. Arguably the situation is a bit complicated when it comes to browsers (as they are quite volatile), but Debian packages differ from upstream releases. The 3.2 kernel, for example, that ships with Debian contains a number of backported patches. |
| 10:21.28 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: what happened is mozilla started iterating the major version # with every minor release after that, so it made 3.5 look really old really fast |
| 10:21.33 | Gnu-centric | gnarface: Really? All known vulns were patched? |
| 10:21.38 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: it wasn't ever really THAT old |
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| 10:21.55 | babilen | Gnu-centric: Is there anything specific we can help you with? |
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| 10:22.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gnu-centric -about tracker of doom |
| 10:22.59 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: this information is all a matter of public record: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_3.5.16-20_changelog |
| 10:23.00 | Gonzalo | Someone knows if it is possible to install php 5.4 on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 10:23.13 | babilen | Gnu-centric: You can check the security databases yourself or see which patches come with Debian packages on http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-mozilla/iceweasel.git (clone that and check debian/patches for the releases in question) |
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| 10:23.50 | babilen | Gonzalo: It is not - You should upgrade to wheezy by following the release notes (/msg dpkg release notes) |
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| 10:25.50 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: debian isn't just gentoo with precompiled packages and older source code. there is actually sound reasoning behind keeping older versions of things and the important security fixes are typically included |
| 10:26.21 | Gnu-centric | babilen and gnarface: tyvm for the info, I am trying to understand and you are helping. I am asking in good faith |
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| 10:27.15 | Gonzalo | babilen but what about if I can't update to wheezy because I am using a virtual server and they don't allow me to do that. The thing is that I did installed php 5.4 in my squeeze and is working fine, but the problem that I have now is that I have some packages from squeeze and others from wheezy so, I cannot install new packages with apt-get, I am getting a libc6 problem. There is another way of installing packages without apt? |
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| 10:28.05 | gnarface | Gonzalo: you're making this harder on yourself |
| 10:29.31 | Gonzalo | gnarface I don't see other solution, enlighten me please :) |
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| 10:30.51 | babilen | Gonzalo: As I said: You cannot install it as it will cause problems, inconsistencies and generally renders your system unusable and unsupportable. You sure *can* install it if you insist, but that will have adverse effects. My recommendation is to upgrade to wheezy even if that means that you have to find a hoster that supports that. |
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| 10:31.34 | yeenoghu | they allow you to install certain packages from wheezy but not all of them? |
| 10:31.48 | Mancent | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.55 | Gonzalo | yeah I understand |
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| 10:32.48 | babilen | Gonzalo: I have no idea what you've done to your system but the fact that you have version problems with your libc6 essentially means that you broke your system badly. You might be able to install PHP from source manually to /usr/local (and manage that with stow), but I have no idea if that'll work. I know that it will not be integrated with the rest of the system and that all other php packages in Debian won't work with that. |
| 10:33.25 | gnarface | Gonzalo: vpslink.com |
| 10:33.48 | benedict_ | hi, i don't understand error 23 of rsync. i use dirvish (which bases on rsync) and get this error after a backup |
| 10:35.19 | yeenoghu | Gonzalo: even though they don't supply an initial install of wheezy, they probably allow upgrading unless they explicitly state so (not that I undestand why they would). Or it could just be that they won't support it |
| 10:35.54 | yeenoghu | I can't see why someone would want to ban a stable, current release |
| 10:36.12 | gnarface | it depends entirely on their choice of hosting container |
| 10:36.25 | gnarface | aim for the people selling xen containers and you won't have problems upgrading likely |
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| 10:36.33 | gnarface | your mileage may vary with weird crap like vmware |
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| 10:36.59 | gnarface | and certain solutions (uml, vservers) actually share the host kernel |
| 10:37.05 | gnarface | so you can't upgrade it |
| 10:37.15 | yeenoghu | ah right. That's horrible |
| 10:37.29 | yeenoghu | not had any problems with debian on a multitude of vmware installs though |
| 10:37.30 | yeenoghu | fwiw |
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| 10:38.00 | gnarface | yeenoghu: i rarely run virtual servers that i don't also control the host for, fwiw |
| 10:38.07 | slikts | what's the beautifulest way to set up sendign and receiving email? |
| 10:38.14 | slikts | i.e., what's less crummy, sendmail or postfix? |
| 10:38.16 | yeenoghu | gnarface: I never have either |
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| 10:38.48 | gnarface | slikts: exim4 is easiest for simple configurations |
| 10:39.03 | slikts | gnarface: mm I was just looking at that thx |
| 10:39.07 | babilen | slikts: These days it is typically exim4 or postfix and you should use postfix, because: Why not? |
| 10:39.18 | benedict_ | hi, what are common per GB times of e2fsck? |
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| 10:39.25 | slikts | because I've been conditioned to fear postfix as a child |
| 10:39.46 | slikts | postfix killed my dog |
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| 10:40.08 | gnarface | slikts: the ONLY problem with exim is for anything other than basic configuration your'e gonna need to read a real book, which isn't different from sendmail in that respect |
| 10:40.18 | Rydekull | scx: yes, with update-alternatives |
| 10:40.22 | babilen | slikts: Then use exim4 or overcome your fear. And you had cruel parents if they forced MTA configuration on you during your childhood .. "But I can't read! Go, that maildrop won't configure itself!" |
| 10:40.53 | yeenoghu | hehe |
| 10:41.07 | benedict_ | babilen: and since he refused to read the shot his dog |
| 10:41.07 | benedict_ | :( |
| 10:41.18 | benedict_ | that's how postfix killed his dog |
| 10:41.27 | benedict_ | *they |
| 10:41.52 | slikts | I was raised by theo de raadt |
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| 10:42.06 | benedict_ | "raised" |
| 10:42.25 | babilen | could we move on? |
| 10:42.31 | benedict_ | again - what are common times for e2fsk? |
| 10:43.24 | gnarface | depends a lot on the disk |
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| 10:43.53 | benedict_ | gnarface: it's a common western digital external hdd, 300GB etx2 partition |
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| 10:44.07 | benedict_ | bought somewhere around 2008 |
| 10:44.18 | gnarface | benedict_: i wouldn't recommend postponing lunch to wait for it |
| 10:44.39 | yeenoghu | you'd need the drive speed and USB protocol to give a meaningful answer, but even then I could only give a guestimate |
| 10:44.47 | gnarface | benedict_: hope its mounted in its fasted DMA mode because it gets a LOT slower in PIO mode |
| 10:44.52 | benedict_ | well, #debian - where people know your question before you know... and the answer to it |
| 10:44.54 | benedict_ | :D |
| 10:45.02 | Gnu-centric | gnarface: About "SNS", if only you knew far from that I am... |
| 10:45.19 | benedict_ | gnarface: man e2fsck said better not mount it |
| 10:45.22 | mosez | hum.... knows somebody a tool to convert postscript into images? |
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| 10:45.46 | gnarface | Gnu-centric: even so, don't ignore the information about backports / ssb |
| 10:46.33 | gnarface | mosez: did you try opening one with gimp? i thought that was what ghostscript was for though... |
| 10:46.41 | benedict_ | gnarface: it's USB - don't think that has dma modes... |
| 10:47.04 | Gnu-centric | gnarface: Not to worry, I'm not ignorning anything |
| 10:47.12 | Gnu-centric | gnarface: taking notes |
| 10:48.27 | mosez | gnarface: not, have not tried that. i've created the ps file on a server with bench2graph and gnuplot... |
| 10:49.15 | bitbyter | mosez: other way woudl be to use print to file - will get you pdf |
| 10:49.16 | gnarface | mosez: i'd try ghostscript first if you'd have to install either, but try gimp first if its already installed |
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| 10:49.54 | mosez | thx, i will find a way :) |
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| 10:55.44 | Guest50981 | is there any other tool like but better than "recorditnow" or kazam |
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| 10:56.25 | bitbyter | !better |
| 10:56.26 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:56.44 | Guest50981 | better = stabler, featureful |
| 10:57.00 | Guest50981 | personal taste ^ |
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| 10:59.01 | gnarface | Guest50981: i'm not familiar with either of those programs, but does "apt-cache search jukebox" give you anything that looks promising? |
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| 10:59.23 | linu | there is also aptitude search yeah ? |
| 10:59.34 | gnarface | yea sure |
| 10:59.37 | linu | the the less good apt-get --simulate install jukebox* |
| 10:59.55 | linu | yeah |
| 10:59.56 | gnarface | or you could just search on packages.debian.org |
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| 11:00.00 | linu | or that |
| 11:00.00 | linu | lol |
| 11:00.06 | linu | searching packages.debian.org is prob easiest |
| 11:00.14 | linu | in iceweasel |
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| 11:00.51 | linu | gnarface: so i got the nvidia optimus working in ubuntu 13.10, so this means i should be able to get it working in debian |
| 11:01.18 | gnarface | linu: likely its an issue with your kernel version or your xorg and xorg driver version |
| 11:01.19 | linu | but how hard/easy is it to upgrade Xorg to support version 1.14 (or 1.13 at minimum) and XrandR 1.4 in the server and client utility? |
| 11:01.23 | linu | Is this a fools errand? |
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| 11:01.35 | gnarface | i'm not sure, did you check for backports? |
| 11:01.53 | linu | gnarface: Yes well the kernel has to be version 3.9 or higher (easy, its in wheezy-packports), the nvidia driver has to be version 319 or higher (easy) |
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| 11:02.16 | linu | and Xorg has to be minimum 1.13 (though 1.14 preferred) with XrandR version 1.4 in the server and version 1.4 of the XrandR commandline utility |
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| 11:02.37 | linu | newer Xorg is _not_ in wheezy-backports lol |
| 11:02.46 | linu | infact i think the required version might only be in experimental |
| 11:02.53 | gnarface | brutal |
| 11:03.26 | gnarface | likely easier to get working on sid then |
| 11:03.27 | linu | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:03.33 | linu | yeah |
| 11:03.37 | linu | but i want to run wheezy |
| 11:03.44 | linu | for security updates etc |
| 11:03.49 | gnarface | got the latest firmware for that laptop? |
| 11:04.06 | linu | I think the latest firmware was available yes |
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| 11:04.18 | linu | i did manage to acquire the firmware for it in debian yes |
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| 11:04.39 | linu | it does show on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all that xserver 1.14 is in experimental, and 1.12 in sid but it definately requires minimum xserver 1.13 |
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| 11:05.41 | gnarface | well, installing xorg experimental on sid is not what i'd call a fool's errand if your goal is gaming |
| 11:05.50 | gnarface | trying on wheezy *might be* |
| 11:05.58 | balin_ | Is there any place where "new" .debs like golang-context-dev (http://tinyurl.com/ke5lvol) may be downloaded? |
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| 11:06.14 | linu | yes my goal is gaming gnarface, (with acceleration from the inbuilt optimus nvidia card) |
| 11:06.24 | gnarface | linu: i'd definitely think its worth trying though |
| 11:06.32 | linu | hmm so installing experimental on wheezy could be a fools errand lol |
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| 11:06.56 | gnarface | linu: worth trying to backport it at least, i mean, but its likely to quickly involve backporting ... everything. which isn't as smart anymore as just running unstable |
| 11:07.05 | linu | hmm |
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| 11:07.21 | gnarface | linu: as soon as you're having to backport libc6 and the kernel, you're officially off into the weeds |
| 11:07.41 | linu | " "unstable" does not get security updates in a timely manner" |
| 11:07.53 | gnarface | linu: yes, that's why backporting first is worth trying |
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| 11:08.12 | linu | gnarface: well the required kernel is already in wheezy-backports and that installed easy, i dont know if i will need a new libc6 |
| 11:08.15 | gnarface | linu: but your backport makes you in charge of security updates for that package yourself, don't forget |
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| 11:08.22 | linu | hmm yeah so trying backporting |
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| 11:08.38 | linu | yeah so if i backport i will have to check security issues for only the things i backported yeah |
| 11:08.55 | linu | which could be manageable in a small package |
| 11:09.07 | linu | should be manageable with X too unless its a *TON* of things to backport |
| 11:09.23 | gnarface | i have no idea unfortunately. you'll have to try it to find out |
| 11:09.35 | linu | yeah it sounds like its not going to be easy |
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| 11:11.49 | linu | the other alternative is in approx 2 months ubuntu 13.10 becomes ubuntu-release |
| 11:12.21 | linu | the one month after that (november) linux mint becomes linux mint 16 -release based on ubuntu 13.10, ubuntu 13.10 the optimus works pretty easily |
| 11:12.29 | gnarface | there will be tradeoffs no matter which you chose |
| 11:12.30 | linu | theres no way in hell i'll be using ubuntu |
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| 11:12.39 | linu | but i could sacrifice and use linux mint 16 |
| 11:12.44 | gnarface | it might be better to keep several different installed images on hand |
| 11:12.50 | linu | yeah |
| 11:12.57 | linu | saves time re-installing |
| 11:13.09 | mumpitzel | learn how to patch your kernel yourself and run debian? |
| 11:13.22 | linu | thats what i'd definately prefer to do mumpitzel |
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| 11:13.41 | mumpitzel | then why not try? all you can lose is some time. and you will heave learnt something |
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| 11:13.43 | linu | i'd have to edit the wireless drivers to make them work |
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| 11:13.54 | linu | and get a newer X |
| 11:14.04 | linu | well yeah maybe i should/will try it :) |
| 11:14.14 | mumpitzel | why X? for nouveau? |
| 11:14.24 | linu | although im wondering if backporting X to wheezy is abit of a fools errand, for somene not too familar with that lol, as their first task |
| 11:14.27 | bitbyter | linu: what about using a rolling release distro- something bleeding edge? |
| 11:14.47 | gnarface | mumpitzel: he's got bleeding-edge hardware so he needs a bleeding-edge kernel |
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| 11:14.59 | gnarface | i used to buy a lot of that type of stuff |
| 11:15.07 | mumpitzel | I asked about X, not the kernel. I know about the shitty broadcom wlan |
| 11:15.11 | linu | mumpitzel: to use the muxless nvidia card for gaming, nouveau doesnt support the new card, and it uses a weird hardware config (nvidia is not plugged into LCD only intel HD4000 is) |
| 11:15.19 | linu | i really wish i got atheros |
| 11:15.38 | mumpitzel | nvidia drivers will work with current X too. no need for a new version |
| 11:15.45 | linu | geez |
| 11:15.48 | mumpitzel | noueau you might ned a new X to support the new hardware |
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| 11:15.50 | linu | no they will not mumpitzel |
| 11:16.06 | linu | mumpitzel, they would _only_ work if sony hadnt made a retarded decision to use a muxless nvidia optimus design |
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| 11:16.18 | linu | the optimus design means only the intel card has a physical connection to the LCD monitor |
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| 11:16.26 | linu | the nvidia has no physical connection to the LCD monitor |
| 11:16.38 | linu | it must copy its framebuffer to system ram, then to the intel driver, then to the LCD |
| 11:16.44 | bitbyter | linu: hand back in the laptop and tell them you don't pay for retared design :D |
| 11:16.46 | linu | requiring at least X 1.13, |
| 11:16.58 | linu | its abit late now to hand back the laptop |
| 11:17.04 | linu | but i will know never to buy optimus again :( |
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| 11:17.16 | bitbyter | well then - make it worth it and throw it at them :P |
| 11:17.19 | linu | bitbyter: i might be happy buying another laptop though, with a non-retarded design |
| 11:17.25 | linu | lol bitbyter |
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| 11:17.50 | bitbyter | linu: what about looking up what fedora or gentoo are currently using? |
| 11:18.04 | linu | bitbyter: um |
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| 11:18.13 | linu | oh right to see if i can run fedora or gentoo |
| 11:18.14 | linu | yeah |
| 11:18.17 | linu | i will have a look |
| 11:18.19 | bitbyter | linu: tbh there is no point in using debian and the backporting nearly all essential parts of the os |
| 11:18.34 | linu | lol |
| 11:18.34 | bitbyter | *then |
| 11:19.11 | linu | i bought this laptop to use debian lol |
| 11:19.17 | linu | i will buy another laptop if need be |
| 11:19.22 | bitbyter | linu: Oo |
| 11:19.26 | gnarface | linu: here's something you could try: install the backported kernel on your wheezy install, then deboostrap sid into a chroot for gaming |
| 11:19.28 | mumpitzel | run testing for a start? |
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| 11:20.44 | linu | gnarface: ah yes so use a standard wheezy install with later kernel, and then have a bleeding edge sid to run the latest games, then i would just have to reboot to run the games ? |
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| 11:21.17 | linu | mumpitzel: I was hoping to use wheezy, as it gets security updates easily |
| 11:21.19 | gnarface | linu: no all you'd have to do is exit out of your wheezy xorg, chroot into the sid jail, then startx in there and buckle in |
| 11:21.25 | linu | mumpitzel: however i think i will just have to buy a new laptop |
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| 11:21.39 | linu | gnarface: that sounds pretty effective! |
| 11:21.46 | linu | gnarface: is this easy to do/stable lol ? |
| 11:21.48 | gnarface | linu: then when you are done gaming, just exit out of X again, and ctrl-d to drop out of the chroot |
| 11:22.00 | bitbyter | linu: WHAT GAES DO YOU PLAN TO PLAY ANYWAY? |
| 11:22.03 | linu | interesting |
| 11:22.08 | bitbyter | sorry for the caps |
| 11:22.24 | gnarface | linu: easy to do, yes. stable, yes. secure? ...eh... only marginally moreso than running ubuntu |
| 11:22.51 | linu | bitbyter: I have a valve Steam account and a $150 pack of valve games, including half life versions and TFC TF2 etc, also i was thinking of using wine or a virtual machine to play some low-end windows-only casual low end games, like a simple tower defense game |
| 11:23.22 | linu | gnarface: I think i will have to buy a new laptop if i want to game on wheezy with easy security updates too i guess |
| 11:24.00 | linu | right so basically to do what i originally set out to do, a debian 7.1 box with accelerated gaming, buy new laptop ? |
| 11:24.10 | linu | (using wheezy and wheezy-backports) |
| 11:24.15 | gnarface | linu: without breaking "the rules" you mean? yes |
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| 11:24.28 | linu | gnarface: well without making "sacrifices" like timely security updates yes :) |
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| 11:24.49 | gnarface | linu: just so you know, its not like they're gonna purposefully omit security patches from sid |
| 11:24.53 | bitbyter | linu: what makes you so focused on debian? |
| 11:24.59 | linu | i like debian |
| 11:25.03 | ZeroOne01 | hello guys |
| 11:25.04 | mumpitzel | linu: for a desktop it's not so bad. you don't run a server on testing |
| 11:25.12 | gnarface | linu: its just that the stuff in sid is far less well tested because its newer. wheezy packages are old so they're fairly bulletproof already |
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| 11:25.20 | bitbyter | what's wrong with other distros that are more geared torwards gaming? |
| 11:25.21 | linu | i prefer bulletproof |
| 11:25.28 | linu | keep in mind i was either going to run openbsd or debian wheezy |
| 11:25.38 | linu | my current openbsd laptop is aging |
| 11:25.50 | linu | for a secure desktop it was either a new openbsd desktop, or wheezy if i can game on it too |
| 11:26.01 | jelly | gnarface: s/bulletproof/the bugs are better known/ |
| 11:26.04 | linu | cos i do like playing games sometimes too on the desktop |
| 11:26.18 | linu | yeah thats the great thing about wheezy, the packages have been around so long and well tested |
| 11:26.20 | bitbyter | linu: how does openbsd do with the drivers? |
| 11:26.32 | linu | bitbyter: i havent tried openbsd on this new laptop so im not sure |
| 11:26.44 | linu | i know they support ivy bridge which is what this laptop is |
| 11:26.55 | linu | a sony guy corrected me, its only haswell on a different model |
| 11:26.57 | linu | this one is ivy bridge |
| 11:27.12 | linu | so they have support for the ivy bridge graphics |
| 11:27.14 | linu | they hate nvidia |
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| 11:27.17 | linu | probably for good reason |
| 11:27.30 | ZeroOne01 | i'm sorry i don't want to interrupt your discussion but does anybody know how to figure out who or what send the system a shutdown command? |
| 11:28.32 | linu | i doubt i'll be playing team fortress 2 on openbsd in the next 5 years |
| 11:28.32 | linu | lol |
| 11:28.37 | bhuddah | ZeroOne01: nothing in the logs? |
| 11:28.41 | linu | i doubt i'll be playing team fortress 2 on openbsd accelerated with an nvidia graphics card in the next 5 years |
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| 11:28.56 | gnarface | linu: why so fixated on a laptop? |
| 11:28.57 | ZeroOne01 | no - just "the system is going..." |
| 11:29.07 | linu | gnarface: well the portability is good and afew other things |
| 11:29.15 | linu | i suppose i could think about a desktop |
| 11:29.26 | gnarface | you can't move it while you're playing tf2 |
| 11:29.47 | gnarface | and its semi-portable -P |
| 11:29.47 | ZeroOne01 | bhuddah i'm trying to figgure out if it is the 3G modem or something else maybe someone else |
| 11:30.07 | linu | well a laptop is the preferred form factor |
| 11:30.11 | bhuddah | i have no idea at the moment. if not in the logs... |
| 11:30.17 | linu | but meh |
| 11:30.21 | linu | you can only do what you can do |
| 11:30.31 | linu | new laptop |
| 11:30.37 | linu | proper wheezy support |
| 11:30.39 | linu | done |
| 11:30.41 | gnarface | linu: for the most part the normal current nvidia drivers work fine on the standard hardware in the 500 series and later |
| 11:30.49 | gnarface | linu: i play tf2 just fine |
| 11:30.56 | linu | awesome gnarface |
| 11:31.14 | linu | yeah i think the -wheezy nvidia drivers support 500 and i think 600 series nvidia too |
| 11:31.18 | ZeroOne01 | i start the 3G connection and after some time the pc is going to poweroff by a signal - i won't believe it is someONE because there is no service running on the pc - just the standard wheezy programs with lxde |
| 11:31.28 | linu | i might go for a 500 series card |
| 11:31.39 | linu | and i think atheros is the best supported wireless right ? |
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| 11:32.13 | linu | it would be nice to choose one that doesnt need non-free firmware too |
| 11:32.25 | gnarface | that will be tough |
| 11:32.38 | linu | hmm |
| 11:32.45 | linu | well the firmware runs on the actual wifi card itself right ? |
| 11:32.55 | linu | as long as their is no kernel blob i could live with that |
| 11:33.03 | linu | debian became blob free a while ago didnt they? |
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| 11:33.13 | abrotman | in 'main', yes |
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| 11:33.29 | linu | ah right in main |
| 11:33.43 | linu | so i guess i might be able to find one that at least doesnt require a blob driver |
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| 11:34.17 | linu | even if it needs firmware uploaded onto the wifi card itself |
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| 11:35.32 | mumpitzel | linu: that pretty much leaves only atheros IIRC. can't recally any other without a blob |
| 11:35.45 | linu | ath5k |
| 11:35.55 | linu | mumpitzel, i had thought atheros might be the best one |
| 11:35.57 | mumpitzel | ath9k now since you want 802.11n |
| 11:36.02 | linu | yeah n is good |
| 11:36.07 | mumpitzel | all others need firmware blobs |
| 11:36.13 | linu | "It does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and no firmware is required to be loaded from userspace." |
| 11:36.21 | linu | yeah so i will want a ath9k device |
| 11:37.14 | linu | maybe i might end up buying a desktop, easier to choose each component lol |
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| 11:40.04 | linu | atheros is also a good one to use in openbsd |
| 11:40.19 | linu | and backtrack |
| 11:40.29 | linu | well, kali now |
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| 11:43.30 | linu | i was curious what bumblebee does for muxless nvidia cards |
| 11:44.07 | NeO_Anderson | hello ive installed debian 7.0 and when installing anytihng its saying no space left on device |
| 11:44.09 | linu | as i understand it bumblebee is for systems with a hardware mux |
| 11:44.18 | NeO_Anderson | from my df -l it shows /root parition being 100% |
| 11:44.21 | NeO_Anderson | but there's nothing in /root |
| 11:44.26 | KpuCko | hey, can somebody help me with lxc & libvirtd configuration in Debian Jessy? |
| 11:44.27 | linu | NeO_Anderson df -h |
| 11:44.30 | NeO_Anderson | and why is it effecting things in /var and basically everywhere else... |
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| 11:45.06 | NeO_Anderson | linu http://paste.debian.net/30819/ |
| 11:45.26 | NeO_Anderson | should I make the /root partition have 1TB ? and /home 1TB? |
| 11:46.38 | linu | could you do df -h NeO_Anderson for human readable output |
| 11:46.49 | linu | (i.e in MB) |
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| 11:47.19 | NeO_Anderson | http://paste.debian.net/30821/ |
| 11:47.54 | linu | lol |
| 11:47.58 | linu | well i have a 1TB disk |
| 11:48.04 | linu | and the default installer didnt partition it sensibly |
| 11:48.13 | linu | so i guess you & I will just have to partition it manually |
| 11:48.22 | NeO_Anderson | >< |
| 11:48.23 | NeO_Anderson | lol |
| 11:48.30 | NeO_Anderson | how much should /root normally have? |
| 11:48.32 | linu | you seem to have plenty of space to spare ;) |
| 11:48.43 | NeO_Anderson | yeah I really do which is annoying for this to happen >< |
| 11:48.48 | linu | i dont know really |
| 11:48.50 | NeO_Anderson | past few days ive had hell lol |
| 11:48.54 | linu | its not super familar with debian |
| 11:49.09 | NeO_Anderson | hm |
| 11:49.13 | linu | I think my / started getting full too |
| 11:49.28 | NeO_Anderson | is there way to re-parittion this without formatting?> |
| 11:49.44 | linu | maybe see if you boot off a debian live cd and see if gparted can do it ? |
| 11:49.52 | NeO_Anderson | hmm |
| 11:50.04 | linu | did you use LVM ? |
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| 11:50.10 | linu | i hear LVM makes resizing easier |
| 11:50.15 | NeO_Anderson | no idea |
| 11:50.17 | NeO_Anderson | lol |
| 11:50.19 | linu | lol |
| 11:50.20 | NeO_Anderson | its a remote dedicated server |
| 11:50.25 | linu | oh right |
| 11:50.32 | linu | hmm resizing a remote server |
| 11:50.32 | linu | lol |
| 11:50.33 | NeO_Anderson | which during install setup it prompts for partitioning sizes |
| 11:50.35 | NeO_Anderson | but / |
| 11:50.37 | linu | oh right |
| 11:50.38 | NeO_Anderson | is stuck @ 20gb |
| 11:50.41 | linu | usually the installer lets you choose lvm |
| 11:50.44 | NeO_Anderson | and i can't delete or change that.. :S |
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| 11:50.56 | NeO_Anderson | I see |
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| 11:52.04 | reavengrey | YES! |
| 11:52.07 | reavengrey | wrong chan |
| 11:52.21 | linu | does anyone know if a muxless nvidia card can work with bumblebee ? |
| 11:52.29 | linu | im not sure what bumblebee does exactly hmm |
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| 11:53.16 | linu | mumpitzel, gnarface: come to think of it, there is a simpler solution, the 319 nvidia driver is in experimental, if i can backport _only_ that and make it work with bumblebee, that might work |
| 11:53.45 | linu | then i'd just have to figure out how to compile the newer driver for my wifi chip |
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| 12:00.41 | NeO_Anderson | ok i think im just gonna install a fresh copy again |
| 12:00.53 | linu | yeah good idea |
| 12:00.57 | linu | with LVM |
| 12:01.00 | linu | and bigger partitions |
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| 12:03.20 | linu | honestly what idiot came up with nvidia optimus |
| 12:03.25 | linu | it seems like the dumbest idea ever |
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| 12:04.21 | gnarface | its diabolical |
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| 12:04.37 | linu | totally |
| 12:04.43 | linu | linux graphics was working perfectly lol |
| 12:04.43 | yeenoghu | ugh. Nvidia's drivers won't work with latest testing kernel. |
| 12:04.53 | linu | then they come across with retarded optimus |
| 12:05.00 | linu | which drivers and which kernel yeenoghu ? |
| 12:05.10 | linu | 319 drivers seemed to load with 3.10. kernel here |
| 12:05.12 | yeenoghu | nvidia 319, kernel 3.10 I think |
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| 12:05.15 | yeenoghu | oh really |
| 12:05.26 | yeenoghu | well that's good news that it can be made to work |
| 12:05.32 | linu | "Also without the MS funding we probably wouldn't see stuff like Optimus graphics either, the MS deal helped nvidia a lot." http://majornelson.com/2013/02/22/the-xbox-live-ultimate-game-sale/ <---- yes i do wonder just how much microsoft was involved in this PITA for linux |
| 12:05.46 | linu | yeenoghu: yeah it was loaded, detecting the card, but my problem was getting Optimus to work |
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| 12:06.10 | yeenoghu | 3.10.5-1 |
| 12:06.33 | linu | should work |
| 12:06.46 | linu | any error messages ? |
| 12:06.50 | yeenoghu | linu: enouraging. I'll give it another go later on |
| 12:06.54 | linu | k |
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| 12:07.20 | yeenoghu | linu: yeah, the installer spat out some logs during compile time. But I'm not really getting payed to do this right now ;) |
| 12:07.21 | gnarface | hey can someone remind me whether debian live is iso-hybrid or not, and whether that would work in theory with an SD card? |
| 12:08.41 | linu | lol |
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| 12:10.24 | yeenoghu | gnarface: unetbootin might be helpful. I can't remember exactly what version I ended up with as it downloads the files itself |
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| 12:10.55 | yeenoghu | but been making bootable SD card readers as an experimental work project. Required class 10 sd cards for usability though |
| 12:11.54 | linu | it should work gnarface |
| 12:12.05 | linu | most linux can be installed to sd card |
| 12:12.09 | linu | eg with unetbootin |
| 12:12.11 | linu | or similar |
| 12:12.21 | linu | my backtrack linux runs fine from sd card |
| 12:12.25 | linu | *kali linux |
| 12:13.06 | linu | kali is debian-derived |
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| 12:14.20 | linu | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-driver - Package: nvidia-driver (325.15-1) [non-free] - Experimental package |
| 12:14.44 | linu | Do packages like that 325.15-1 driver normally make their way to places like wheezy-backports by any chance ? |
| 12:14.53 | linu | and then into the bumblebee driver lol ? ;) |
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| 12:15.19 | grandfatha | I am on wheezy and need to downgrade mysql to 5.1 which fails, can anyone assist me? I pinned the mysql package release to oldstable, but when I try to install the 5.1 mysql server package, it fails with the error message "mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.1" but is not supposed to be installed |
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| 12:19.31 | ksk | !tell grandfatha about downgrade |
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| 12:20.05 | linu | lol |
| 12:20.08 | linu | people werent joking |
| 12:20.15 | linu | when they told me about older software in debian |
| 12:20.30 | linu | i bought ivy bridge hardware at time of wheezy-release |
| 12:20.36 | grandfatha | but downgrading php to an older version works fine |
| 12:20.42 | linu | but it seems i need to buy hardware from 1 year prior to -release lol :) |
| 12:20.52 | linu | 1-2 years :) lol |
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| 12:21.42 | linu | or 1 year before the next -release of debian i should buy my hardware for it :D |
| 12:21.58 | linu | then leave it in the cupboard for one year ready for the -release :) |
| 12:23.13 | linu | which is a problem because i no longer want to "install linux on my old windows box after i buy a new computer" |
| 12:23.21 | linu | i want to "buy a new computer and install linux" ;-) |
| 12:24.49 | bitbyter | linu: well, you forgot gaming |
| 12:25.04 | gnarface | linu: you do know there are actual companies that are in the business of selling linux-certified laptops right? |
| 12:25.24 | gnarface | linu: and no, i'm not talking about dell |
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| 12:25.36 | babilen | linu: Do you actually require help? You can use various backported kernels or even install your own. I fail to see what you are trying to achieve. |
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| 12:26.40 | Rydekull | gnarface: you do know that's very rare and only occuring in certain parts of the world. And usually hard to order online internationally. Thus limiting options greatly |
| 12:27.08 | linu | gnarface: yeah im having a look through the linux laptop companies, though i dont want an ubuntu one |
| 12:27.22 | musca | ,v linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 --release wheezy-backports |
| 12:27.23 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.10.5-1~bpo70+1 |
| 12:27.35 | musca | ^ linu |
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| 12:27.49 | linu | babilen: lol well ideally i'd get the broadcom wireless driver compiled, and nvidia GT735M optimus working |
| 12:28.14 | linu | babilen: yes the wheezy-backport kernels 3.9 and 3.10 installead really easily :) |
| 12:28.23 | linu | even easier than what mint could achieve |
| 12:28.48 | hellyeah | is there any software on debian which give you unicode character like ✓ |
| 12:29.10 | linu | Rydekull: yeah its no piece of cake either lol |
| 12:30.01 | grandfatha | ksk is the only option to downgrade to mysql-5.1 by installing it form source then? |
| 12:30.40 | jelly | hellyeah: apt-cache search charmap |
| 12:31.04 | jelly | hellyeah: or kcharselect if you lean to the kde side |
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| 12:31.32 | linu | i am having a browse through the linux-certified laptops to see if theres one i like |
| 12:31.48 | mumpitzel | grandfatha: you could try it from a different, older release of debian. not advised, but then running 5.1 isn't advised in the first place |
| 12:31.57 | hellyeah | i found something name elinks |
| 12:32.37 | grandfatha | mumpitzel i tried to pint the oldstable (=squeeze) release, but the apt does not install |
| 12:32.52 | grandfatha | mumpitzel why not 5.1? it was stable in squeeze |
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| 12:33.33 | mumpitzel | grandfatha: squeeze will get security updates for another 9 months, but then its overr |
| 12:34.12 | grandfatha | mumpitzel is an emergency downgrade as the webapp on that server has incompatible sql queries |
| 12:34.26 | grandfatha | in 9 months the app will be fixed |
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| 12:36.01 | linu | i saw some nice ones you can replace that awful windows key with a nice penguin tux logo :) |
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| 12:36.24 | hellyeah | gucharmap |
| 12:37.38 | mniip | mumpitzel, you on |
| 12:38.42 | jelly | grandfatha: you could debootstrap a squeeze chroot and run mysql there, or set up a separate squeeze installation some other way |
| 12:39.01 | musca | hellyeah: KDE has KCharSelect |
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| 12:39.50 | mumpitzel | mniip: hm? |
| 12:39.51 | grandfatha | jelly thx will try that as i am not making any progress |
| 12:40.34 | mniip | mumpitzel, well, yesterday i tried to link 2 computers with a small network |
| 12:40.35 | hellyeah | gucharmap also looks nice |
| 12:40.42 | hellyeah | but i couldnt see any unicode support |
| 12:40.44 | mniip | i think i jumped too far with NAT |
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| 12:41.18 | mniip | i mean, before NATing i have to send packets between the machines |
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| 12:42.02 | jelly | hellyeah: it's in the Description. What's the real issue you're having with it? What fails to work? |
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| 12:42.34 | mumpitzel | mniip: yes. and the machine doing the NAT needs to have two interfaces |
| 12:42.36 | hellyeah | sometimes i need special character it is not possible to make it keyboard |
| 12:42.50 | hellyeah | so in that time i google it something like u+2713 |
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| 12:42.57 | hellyeah | ઙ |
| 12:43.02 | mniip | mumpitzel, that isn;t the problem |
| 12:43.08 | hellyeah | i hear that use xml entity |
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| 12:43.19 | mniip | i'm unsure of how to send the packets over the ethernet cable |
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| 12:43.36 | mumpitzel | mniip: ping <ip> sends plenty of packets |
| 12:43.39 | mniip | i know |
| 12:43.44 | mniip | but, "network unreacahble" |
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| 12:44.02 | mumpitzel | what ethernet is it? 1GBit running at gigabit speeds? |
| 12:44.13 | mniip | what? |
| 12:44.13 | mumpitzel | and what are the IPs at both ends? |
| 12:44.43 | linu | network unreachable, are they in the same subnet? |
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| 12:44.49 | mumpitzel | is it a gigabit ethernet or a fast ethernet? 100 MBit/s or 1000MBit/s? |
| 12:44.49 | mniip | the second question is what i'm trying to figure out |
| 12:45.11 | linu | if on two subnets separated by a the middle dual-interfaced nat box with nat switched off, is ip forwarding enabled |
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| 12:45.39 | linu | you are trying to figure out if they are in the same subnet ? |
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| 12:45.46 | linu | `ifconfig` |
| 12:45.47 | mniip | mumpitzel, ifconfig doesn't show an IP on either of machines |
| 12:46.02 | linu | that could be a problem "ifconfig doesn't show an IP on either of machines" |
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| 12:46.13 | mniip | exactly |
| 12:46.21 | mniip | that's what i'm trying to figure out |
| 12:46.21 | mumpitzel | then you haven't set a IP. do that via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:46.36 | mniip | what to i put there... |
| 12:46.39 | linu | yeah you will need to set IPs |
| 12:46.53 | linu | what are you trying to do exactly ? |
| 12:47.00 | linu | what do you want your network to do ? |
| 12:47.07 | mniip | linu, at the moment, send packets over an ethernet cable |
| 12:47.18 | mniip | that's my current target |
| 12:47.23 | Stevie-O | morning, everyone; I feel compelled to note that that #debian is 1337 (number of users in channel) |
| 12:47.34 | mumpitzel | mniip: as an example. http://paste.debian.net/30850/ |
| 12:47.48 | linu | try putting ip: 192.168.1.2 netmask: 255.255.255.0 on the first box, and 192.168.1.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 on the second box |
| 12:48.02 | mniip | mumpitzel, done, now what |
| 12:48.04 | linu | if you plug a cable directly into the back of each pc to the other pc it will have to be a cross over cable |
| 12:48.13 | linu | otherwise just use a normal cable and plug them both into a switch |
| 12:48.17 | bhuddah | or you have gigabit nics |
| 12:48.22 | mumpitzel | mniip: don't just cut+paste. the numbers might be changed for your setup |
| 12:48.23 | linu | verify they are set correctly by showing us the output of ifconfig on both machines |
| 12:48.24 | musca | Stevie-O: nice :) |
| 12:48.29 | mumpitzel | and you need different ones for each PC |
| 12:48.29 | linu | then we will use ping to see if they can ping each other |
| 12:48.33 | mniip | mumpitzel, ofc |
| 12:48.52 | mumpitzel | mniip: what are the interfaces on each end? what eth# ? |
| 12:49.07 | mniip | eth0 and eth0 |
| 12:49.15 | mumpitzel | ifup eth0 as root then |
| 12:49.44 | mniip | on both? |
| 12:50.02 | Stevie-O | erm, do you mean eth0 and eth1? |
| 12:50.12 | linu | "How to configure ping |
| 12:50.13 | linu | lol |
| 12:50.21 | Stevie-O | oh, eth0 on two different machines |
| 12:50.22 | mniip | Stevie-O, one computer has eth0, another has eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:50.28 | mniip | the cable is between 0 and 0 |
| 12:50.31 | Stevie-O | sorry, I was very confused for a moment |
| 12:51.33 | linu | ok thats good mniip you know the cable is between eth0 on the first box and eth0 on the second box |
| 12:51.50 | mniip | uh-oh |
| 12:51.53 | mniip | ping still doesn't work |
| 12:51.54 | linu | you used http://paste.debian.net/30850/ to give each pc a different ip address (in the same subnet) on their eth0 interfaces ? |
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| 12:52.08 | linu | what is the output of `ifconfig eth0` on box boxes? |
| 12:52.38 | linu | what is the output of `ifconfig eth0` on both boxes?* |
| 12:52.49 | Stevie-O | do you have mii-tool available? |
| 12:53.12 | Stevie-O | I'm not sure if net-tools is part of a standard installation |
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| 12:55.11 | jelly | ethtool uses a later api and IME works in more cases |
| 12:55.18 | mniip | linu, can't copypasta from the second computer |
| 12:55.23 | linu | ok |
| 12:55.31 | mniip | but on first it says "inet addr:192.168.0.1" and on second "inet addr:192.168.0.2" |
| 12:55.35 | linu | welll what ip address and subnet mask does it show for each pc mii? |
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| 12:55.46 | linu | ok that looks correct mniip |
| 12:55.51 | mniip | Bcast and Mask are the same |
| 12:56.03 | linu | does it show that the netmask is 255.255.255.0 on both machines? |
| 12:56.08 | mniip | yes |
| 12:56.08 | mumpitzel | mniip: now run ping |
| 12:56.17 | linu | i assume broadcast on both is 192.168.0.255 on both machines then |
| 12:56.24 | mniip | yes |
| 12:56.30 | linu | ok that looks correct |
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| 12:56.48 | linu | and the link light on the network card of both machines is lighted on? and both machines are plugged into the same switch ? |
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| 12:57.02 | linu | and both switch lights are on for where they are plugged into ? |
| 12:57.09 | mniip | .0.2 pings .0.1 - "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 12:57.17 | mniip | .0.1 pings .0.2 - nothing at all |
| 12:57.31 | linu | if all those link lights are switched on that I have mentioned, then the next step would be decide if you have a firewalling issue |
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| 12:57.58 | mumpitzel | mniip: the pc with eth0 and eth1, what other IPs does it have? |
| 12:58.24 | linu | yeah |
| 12:58.28 | linu | eg whats on eth1 ? |
| 12:58.40 | mniip | 192.168.0.1 192.168.1.20 and 127.0.0.1 |
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| 12:58.57 | mniip | the networks don't overlap |
| 12:59.03 | linu | ok good |
| 12:59.12 | linu | and its definately eth0 plugged into the switch |
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| 12:59.17 | linu | and it says "up" in ifconfig |
| 12:59.23 | linu | and the link lights are on |
| 12:59.24 | linu | ? |
| 12:59.30 | mniip | uh |
| 12:59.40 | linu | `ifconfig eth0 up` |
| 12:59.43 | linu | on both machines |
| 12:59.45 | linu | makes them up |
| 12:59.50 | linu | though they are probably already up |
| 12:59.55 | linu | cant hurt to check |
| 12:59.59 | mniip | you mean those 2 leds next to the socket? |
| 13:00.14 | linu | yeah next to where you plug the cable in on the network interface, the two little leds |
| 13:00.22 | linu | sometimes one stays on when you plug it in |
| 13:00.26 | mniip | yes |
| 13:00.27 | linu | the other flashes when you send data |
| 13:00.33 | mniip | green is un |
| 13:00.39 | mniip | yellow flashes |
| 13:00.43 | linu | the switch usually has LEDs on it that stay on, when you plug the cable into it, check those too ;) |
| 13:00.55 | mniip | oh wait |
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| 13:02.59 | mniip | well, both green leds are on |
| 13:03.12 | linu | on the switch ? |
| 13:03.15 | mniip | on .0.1 yellow flashes when .0.2 is pinging |
| 13:03.24 | mniip | on .0.2 yellow is on contantly |
| 13:03.43 | linu | interesting |
| 13:03.53 | Stevie-O | What's a command line command I can use to read a package's changelog? |
| 13:03.55 | linu | sometimes they make the light behaviour a little differently depending on the NIC |
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| 13:04.22 | linu | the switch however is nearly always just stays lighted up when you plug the cable in |
| 13:04.26 | mniip | my iptables -L is empty |
| 13:04.29 | linu | (and sometimes flashes when there is a data transfer) |
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| 13:04.40 | robytrevi | Hi, with vlc 2.0.8 on debian jessie I can't see all the tv channels with my dvb-t usb drive. With ubuntu 12.04 (same vlc version) starting vlc with --dvb-budget-mode option I can see everything but with Debian Jessie I have this error: dtv access error: cannot setup TS demultiplexer: Invalid argument. Is there someone who can help me? |
| 13:04.52 | linu | mniip: iptables -L is empty on _both_ machines ?? |
| 13:05.20 | mniip | oh |
| 13:05.25 | mniip | welll, yes, it is |
| 13:06.36 | linu | my god |
| 13:06.39 | linu | cant even setup ping |
| 13:06.41 | linu | i have a headache |
| 13:06.42 | linu | :) |
| 13:06.43 | linu | lol |
| 13:06.45 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 13:06.53 | Stevie-O | mniip: do you have tcpdump on either or both machines? |
| 13:07.44 | mniip | on both, now |
| 13:07.47 | Stevie-O | on 0.1: << tcpdump -ni eth0 >> on 0.2: ping 0.1 |
| 13:08.17 | Stevie-O | do you see the pings coming in on 0.1? |
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| 13:08.31 | mniip | 17:03:47.553758 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.0.1 tell 192.168.0.2, length 46 |
| 13:08.33 | mniip | a bunch of |
| 13:08.41 | Stevie-O | that's a goodd sign |
| 13:08.54 | Stevie-O | that means that the network path is actually operational |
| 13:09.04 | Stevie-O | are there any pings? |
| 13:09.10 | mniip | no, just those |
| 13:09.14 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 13:09.19 | mniip | only timestamp differs |
| 13:09.21 | Stevie-O | on 0.2, open up two shells |
| 13:09.31 | bitbyter | !dirvish |
| 13:09.31 | dpkg | Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. http://www.dirvish.org/ #dirvish on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:09.41 | mniip | done |
| 13:09.44 | Stevie-O | actually, on 0.2, first do this: << ip route get to 192.168.0.1 >> |
| 13:10.11 | Stevie-O | what's that say? (if the second line just says 'cache' you can omit that) |
| 13:10.19 | mniip | 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 src 192.168.0.2 |
| 13:10.21 | mniip | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.32 | Stevie-O | okay, good |
| 13:10.41 | Stevie-O | on 0.2: << tcpdump -ni eth0 >> on one shell; then, ping 0.1 in the other shell |
| 13:10.50 | Stevie-O | actually |
| 13:10.52 | Stevie-O | wait a second |
| 13:11.01 | Stevie-O | on 0.1, you only saw ARP *requests* ? |
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| 13:11.36 | mniip | same on 0.2 |
| 13:11.44 | mniip | only ARP request who-has |
| 13:11.46 | Stevie-O | yes, but on 0.2 I expected that |
| 13:11.54 | Stevie-O | looks at linu |
| 13:12.10 | Stevie-O | Is 0.1 the one with two NICs? |
| 13:12.21 | mniip | there;s some more garbage on 0.2 though |
| 13:12.56 | mniip | Stevie-O, NIC as in interface? |
| 13:12.57 | mniip | yes |
| 13:13.02 | Stevie-O | hmmmmm |
| 13:13.03 | Guest66876 | fuckin object-oriented programming |
| 13:13.04 | Guest66876 | ;, |
| 13:13.10 | Stevie-O | on 0.1: << ip route get to 192.168.0.2 >> |
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| 13:13.33 | Stevie-O | Guest: that sounds like an uncomfortable and extremely unpleasant thing to be doing |
| 13:13.36 | mniip | :O |
| 13:13.44 | mniip | now this in interesting |
| 13:13.51 | Stevie-O | it doesn't say eth0, does it |
| 13:13.53 | Stevie-O | it says eth1 |
| 13:13.54 | mniip | 192.168.0.2 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 src 192.168.1.20 |
| 13:13.54 | mniip | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.01 | Stevie-O | aha |
| 13:14.22 | Stevie-O | what's the subnet mask on eth1? |
| 13:14.58 | mniip | Stevie-O, can you hang on a minute pls |
| 13:14.59 | mniip | brb |
| 13:15.01 | Stevie-O | okay |
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| 13:17.46 | bitgeek | Has anyone else experienced the "Software Update" program in Gnome do nothing after clicking "Install Updates"? |
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| 13:18.36 | bitgeek | I mean the app is responsive but it doesn't seem to be doing anything, I would normally expect a dialogue box asking for password |
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| 13:19.25 | xeqtr | Hi. My server have like 25 sshd processes running and i'm only logged into it once (even after i just rebooted it) |
| 13:19.39 | xeqtr | Anyone got an idea about why this is or how i can prevent it? |
| 13:19.51 | linu | lol Stevie-O |
| 13:19.55 | linu | you get to the problem |
| 13:19.58 | linu | so he leaves |
| 13:19.59 | linu | lol |
| 13:19.59 | linu | :) |
| 13:20.03 | linedash | xeqtr, ps aux | grep -c sshd |
| 13:20.09 | linedash | that shows 25 sshd processes? |
| 13:20.30 | xeqtr | that returns 744 |
| 13:20.44 | linedash | :| |
| 13:20.47 | mumpitzel | xeqtr: pidof sshd shows 25? |
| 13:21.00 | linedash | ps aux | grep sshd ; take the output of that and stick it in pastebin or something |
| 13:21.28 | linu | his mask on eth1 could be 255.255.0.0 |
| 13:21.34 | linu | or maybe he has cables plugged in wrong places |
| 13:21.58 | mumpitzel | xeqtr: and add the output of netstat -anp |grep tcp |grep ssh as root as well to see if anyone connects to your sshs |
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| 13:22.27 | bitbyter | !baobab |
| 13:22.27 | linu | What license is intel releasing these open source drivers unders |
| 13:22.39 | bitbyter | what is the current name of baobab? |
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| 13:22.50 | xeqtr | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/yvq7hTQd |
| 13:22.55 | linu | i see openbsd is getting onboard |
| 13:22.58 | mumpitzel | linu: drivers for what? |
| 13:23.24 | Stevie-O | linu: did you see what the problem was? |
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| 13:23.50 | Stevie-O | linu: ARP reverse-path filtering |
| 13:24.09 | xeqtr | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/hE7dbfpN |
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| 13:24.38 | Stevie-O | technically it's a bug in the kernel; the mechanism it uses to perform reverse-path filtering is... incomplete |
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| 13:25.00 | linu | thats interesting Stevie-O |
| 13:25.09 | linu | i havent heard of arp reverse path filtering actually |
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| 13:25.38 | HellTiger | hello, can some one suggest news feeds to keep root secure? |
| 13:25.48 | Stevie-O | it limits bypassing firewalls via spoofing attacks by making sure the packets come from the "right" interface |
| 13:26.18 | linu | interesting |
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| 13:26.30 | Stevie-O | for example, let's say you have a firewall with 1.2.3.4 on one side, and 192.168.0.1 on the other, and you let all packets come in from 192.168.0.0/24 for port 22 |
| 13:26.39 | linu | yes |
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| 13:26.52 | m00n | so im pretty sure my windows partition is fucked, i can read some files but trying to write DVD-1 with cp from cmd line of a linux live usb i have, where the iso is on the windows drive and im writing to a second (empty) usb gives me input/output error, unable to open file for reading. even if the iso itself were corrupt id be able to cp it, co is low level and wouldnt understand the filetype, so its hardware or os issue |
| 13:26.53 | Stevie-O | if someone on the internet side was able to forge a packet from 192.168.0.243 and send it in the internet side |
| 13:27.04 | linu | such as your isp |
| 13:27.12 | Stevie-O | yeah, if they hacked your ISP |
| 13:27.15 | xeqtr | mumpitzel, those logs tell'ya anything? |
| 13:27.16 | Stevie-O | it would look OK to the firewall and go through |
| 13:27.21 | linu | or got to the cable to your isp |
| 13:27.30 | linu | interesting |
| 13:27.38 | Stevie-O | they wouldn't get packets back -- the replies would go to the internal network, but if they could blindly guess the right messages... |
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| 13:28.14 | linu | air gap ftw |
| 13:28.15 | linu | lol |
| 13:28.19 | Stevie-O | reverse path filtering checks that the incoming packet is for the "right" interface |
| 13:28.23 | linu | ah i see |
| 13:28.32 | Stevie-O | the problem is the way Linux implements it |
| 13:28.36 | linu | yes |
| 13:28.55 | Stevie-O | Linux implements rp_filter by doing a route lookup and comparing the destination interface to the one that the packet came in on |
| 13:28.59 | linu | right so if a packet is coming in on eth0, is it supposed to be |
| 13:29.01 | m00n | ive tried umount then ntfsfix but nothing |
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| 13:29.05 | Stevie-O | right |
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| 13:29.12 | Deeps | Stevie-O: uRPF isn't widely deployed on the Internet, mind |
| 13:29.19 | Stevie-O | The problem is that if you have multipath (multiple routes to the same subnet) rp_filter doesn't work |
| 13:29.23 | mniip | Stevie-O, uh, i am back |
| 13:29.34 | Stevie-O | not correctly, anyway |
| 13:29.35 | Deeps | Stevie-O: and you'll find a majority of ISPs dont actually follow BCP-38 :( |
| 13:29.36 | Stevie-O | mniip, welcome back |
| 13:29.43 | mniip | eth1: inet addr:192.168.1.20 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 13:29.59 | linu | wb |
| 13:30.01 | Stevie-O | mniip: but 'ip route get to 192.168.0.2' says eth1? |
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| 13:30.11 | linu | Stevie-O: how does openbsd do for this ? |
| 13:30.15 | linu | and pf |
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| 13:30.22 | linu | i suspect it gets filtered correctly then |
| 13:30.24 | Stevie-O | linu: No idea. I'm a Linux guy (Debian, in particular :D) |
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| 13:30.34 | linu | ah yes Stevie-O :) |
| 13:30.40 | linu | debian rocks |
| 13:30.44 | Stevie-O | Of course |
| 13:30.59 | Stevie-O | I have been using Debian since someone told me about it back when Woody was new |
| 13:31.02 | mniip | Stevie-O, yes... |
| 13:31.04 | Stevie-O | Before that I used Slackware |
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| 13:31.13 | Stevie-O | mniip: on 0.1: << netstat -rn >> |
| 13:31.16 | Stevie-O | pastebin it |
| 13:31.46 | linu | Stevie-O: is this abit like whats it called, source ingress |
| 13:31.48 | linu | or egress |
| 13:31.57 | Stevie-O | Slackware was the do-it-yourself Linux. For people who didn't need (or, in my case, know about) no stinking package management or dependency tracking |
| 13:32.00 | linu | e.g. blocking private range IPs from ingress/egress etc |
| 13:32.03 | mniip | Stevie-O, http://bpaste.net/raw/MHPZ8EHd8QlVY9qf3qRQ/ |
| 13:32.05 | Stevie-O | linu: it's similar, yes |
| 13:32.09 | linu | similar yeah |
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| 13:32.13 | linu | this seems to be more comphrehensive |
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| 13:32.18 | Stevie-O | blinks |
| 13:32.24 | Stevie-O | linu, would ya look at that |
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| 13:32.56 | Stevie-O | mniip: on 0.1 << iifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 >> |
| 13:33.04 | Stevie-O | then do a netstat -rn and tell me if it looks any different |
| 13:33.08 | mniip | RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 13:33.18 | linu | looks unusual |
| 13:33.21 | Stevie-O | mniip: ifup eth0 |
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| 13:33.49 | Stevie-O | also thanks for correcting my double 'i' in ifdown :D |
| 13:33.50 | mniip | ok, now it added 2 lines about eth0 |
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| 13:34.02 | Stevie-O | mniip: I expect your current problem is now resolved |
| 13:34.11 | mniip | :O |
| 13:34.12 | mniip | yes |
| 13:34.13 | Stevie-O | I make no guarantees or claims as to any other problems you might be having |
| 13:34.14 | linu | Stevie-O: i was also wondering about spoofing packets from the internal lan, to a machine, with a source ip of 127.0.0.1, to send to things binded to 127.0.0.1. assuming for example no firewall anywhere |
| 13:34.30 | mniip | Stevie-O, and what was the problem |
| 13:34.34 | mniip | the source, i mean |
| 13:34.48 | Stevie-O | mniip: you did 'ifconfig X up', didn't you |
| 13:34.59 | mniip | no |
| 13:35.02 | mniip | well both |
| 13:35.04 | Stevie-O | you did ifup? |
| 13:35.10 | Stevie-O | earlier |
| 13:35.19 | Stevie-O | back when linu was running the show |
| 13:35.44 | Stevie-O | in any case, it looks like eth0 was not brought up properly |
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| 13:36.05 | mniip | hmm |
| 13:36.17 | Stevie-O | even if the interface was up, there were no routes to make packets go through it |
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| 13:36.34 | mniip | i just tried to ping from 0.2 to 0.1 and it was failing until i ifdown-ifup'ed again |
| 13:36.54 | mniip | oh wait shit |
| 13:37.10 | mniip | thank you, mighty nm-applet for ruining my networking |
| 13:37.16 | Stevie-O | You know |
| 13:37.22 | Stevie-O | I was starting to suspect network manager |
| 13:37.36 | linu | lol |
| 13:37.42 | Stevie-O | Network Manager is a godsend for laptops and really nice for regular PCs |
| 13:37.51 | Stevie-O | for servers and firewalls/routers it is a royal pain |
| 13:37.53 | linu | network manager bjorked something on my laptop |
| 13:37.57 | linu | cos im used to using ifconfig |
| 13:38.09 | linu | so i just used networkmanager _only_ on it (desktop laptop) |
| 13:38.19 | Stevie-O | that's the way to do it linu |
| 13:38.36 | linu | yeah seemed to be ok when using networkmanager _only_ on my desktopy laptop |
| 13:38.45 | Stevie-O | yup |
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| 13:39.21 | Jacta___ | How can I know that a crontab is fired? |
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| 13:39.39 | joltcan | Jacta___: look at your logs |
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| 13:39.56 | Jacta___ | is they logged somewhere? |
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| 13:40.03 | mniip | Stevie-O, well, that might sound surprising |
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| 13:40.10 | joltcan | Jacta___: /var/log/syslog |
| 13:40.11 | mniip | but the 2-interfaced computer is a laptop |
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| 13:40.22 | m00n | sooo... anyone., |
| 13:40.24 | m00n | ? |
| 13:40.27 | Stevie-O | That's less surprising than you might think |
| 13:40.29 | lagacy | hi, what do i use when i want "ifconfig <dev> up/down" but it is a newer system without ifconfig? |
| 13:40.31 | linu | yeah |
| 13:40.39 | Stevie-O | lagacy: On Debian, use 'ifup' and 'ifdown' |
| 13:40.54 | Stevie-O | let me try something |
| 13:41.00 | linu | Stevie-O, you dont happen to know if things like nvidia-driver 325.15-1 in experimental usually make their way down to places like wheezy-backports after a while do you ? |
| 13:41.25 | Jacta___ | joltcan I cant see some log about it, should run every 5. minute |
| 13:41.26 | Stevie-O | linu: I would expect that sort of thing does not happen automatically, so only if someone needs it |
| 13:41.33 | linu | i need it lol |
| 13:41.35 | Stevie-O | linu: That said, you can actually build your own backports |
| 13:41.41 | bitbyter | shouldn't ifconfig be replaced by ip anyway? |
| 13:41.41 | lagacy | thanks Stevie-O |
| 13:41.47 | jelly | m00n: after making sure the partition table is correct, use the native windows tools to check an ntfs |
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| 13:42.10 | linu | Stevie-O, yeah i suppose i could try to do it myself, i dont like my chances of getting 325 + bumblebee optimus working though |
| 13:42.18 | jelly | m00n: there is no proper fsck for ntfs in linux |
| 13:42.24 | m00n | jelly, to be honest windows doesnt want to boot atm... |
| 13:42.28 | m00n | damnit really? |
| 13:42.32 | m00n | alright |
| 13:42.33 | Stevie-O | linu: Building a backport yourself is pretty easy |
| 13:42.34 | linu | already spent 10 hours trying to get it working in debian and mint |
| 13:42.41 | linu | took about 20 minutes in ubuntu 13.10 |
| 13:42.41 | mniip | Stevie-O, wtf D: |
| 13:42.47 | mniip | i killed nm-applet already |
| 13:42.47 | m00n | time to spend like 4 hours fixing my windows boot |
| 13:42.54 | m00n | ill lurk here for a while |
| 13:42.59 | jelly | m00n: right, you're going to need the windows install media or some PE environment |
| 13:43.01 | mniip | and my interface is still getting fucked up |
| 13:43.02 | linu | Stevie-O: well i dont know if i would have to integrate the backport with bumblebee too and optimus, which could be extra-complexity |
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| 13:43.51 | Stevie-O | I don't knwo what bumblebee or optimus is |
| 13:44.13 | m00n | yup |
| 13:44.13 | bhuddah | transformers, duh. |
| 13:44.23 | mniip | bumblebee is that thing that removes /usr ? |
| 13:44.44 | jelly | m00n: ask in ##windows, I do not know what's the current state of the art in windows live/rescue images |
| 13:44.49 | linu | Stevie-O: its a method of getting around a microsoft funded nvidia produced driver technology where the nvidia graphics card renders the data, copies to to system ram, copies it to the intel driver, then copies it to the display, with only the intel card physically connected to the display, like in my laptop |
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| 13:45.01 | linu | they bjorked the hardware design in my laptop, basically |
| 13:45.15 | Jacta___ | joltcan does this look ok: sh /home/jacta/bash.update.dns arg1 arg2 |
| 13:45.23 | Jacta___ | or should sh not be there, its a bash script |
| 13:45.49 | joltcan | Jacta___: is that your whole cron line? |
| 13:45.58 | Jacta___ | 5 * * * sh /.... |
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| 13:46.30 | joltcan | Jacta___: I would make the script executable with chmod +x and skip the sh part, but yeah, I guess that could work |
| 13:46.31 | Stevie-O | linu: that explains what it *does*, but not what it *is*. Is it a package or something? |
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| 13:46.55 | joltcan | Jacta___: but if the script produces any output, then you would get an email with that output every 5 min |
| 13:47.04 | linu | Stevie-O: oh right yeah there are bumblee, bumblebee-nvidia and optimus packages for debian wheezy which have to integrade with the nvidia-driver somehow too |
| 13:47.16 | linu | so yes, they are debian packages, that work with the nvidia driver tightly integrated |
| 13:47.18 | Jacta___ | joltcan i throw in dev/null actually |
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| 13:47.53 | Jacta___ | if I chmod +x - is it then just ./<path+file> in cron? |
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| 13:48.14 | Stevie-O | linu: so you need the nvidia driver from experimental in wheezy |
| 13:48.48 | Stevie-O | linu: and probably bumblebee and optimus from experimental as well? |
| 13:48.52 | linu | Stevie-O, yes thats correct, BUT it also needs tight integration with bumblebee to work at all for my display+gpu |
| 13:49.10 | linu | Stevie-O: maybe, that might be easier, i havent checked if bumblee is in experimental, i will check |
| 13:49.19 | Jacta___ | joltcan - i used su to install cron as root - it looks up in ifconfig and wget a page - shouldnt be a problem, right? |
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| 13:49.57 | linu | Stevie-O: I think the current bumblee would work, but I dont know if the new nvidia driver would create a dependency on a newer bumblebee or not :/ |
| 13:50.10 | Stevie-O | well |
| 13:50.16 | Stevie-O | you can always build it and see |
| 13:50.21 | linu | true |
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| 13:50.43 | linu | i suspect it might not need a new bumblebee |
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| 13:52.32 | Stevie-O | linu, it looks like all of the pieces are there, but you might have to put them together yourselves. Unfortunately, I don't have time to research it, I need to get to work. |
| 13:52.35 | linu | I think it needs something like this, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/bumblebee-nvidia |
| 13:52.42 | linu | with a 319 nvidia driver |
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| 13:52.51 | linu | thanks for the tips Stevie-O |
| 13:53.00 | linu | yeah i will have to spend another 10 hours figuring it all out lol :) |
| 13:53.08 | Stevie-O | I can give you a rundown on how to build your own backport, however |
| 13:53.19 | linu | yeah that would be cool |
| 13:53.25 | linu | then i could backport the 319 driver |
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| 13:53.35 | Stevie-O | First, add a 'deb-src' to your sources.list for the right repository and version |
| 13:53.43 | linu | yes (experimental) |
| 13:54.09 | linu | i think backporting 319-driver and using bumblee, will be easier than backporting a new Xorg stack LOL |
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| 13:54.42 | linu | i might actually be able to backport 319 myself |
| 13:54.47 | linu | i doubt i would make a new X version work proeprly |
| 13:55.25 | Stevie-O | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 |
| 13:55.33 | linu | but 1 driver, i should be able to work that out |
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| 13:56.11 | mniip | Stevie-O, need help again |
| 13:56.12 | Stevie-O | the instructions there look good, except for one thing: when it says to install fakeroot, actually install fakeroot *and* build-essential |
| 13:56.27 | Stevie-O | mniip: make it quick. I have to get back to work |
| 13:56.29 | mniip | i can't seem to find what is messing with eth0 |
| 13:56.31 | linu | ah ok, yes build-essential and fakeroot |
| 13:57.13 | Stevie-O | mniip: you configured the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
| 13:57.17 | mniip | yes |
| 13:57.26 | Stevie-O | it's set for 'auto', right? |
| 13:57.35 | mniip | auto eth0 |
| 13:57.36 | mniip | this? |
| 13:57.38 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 13:57.51 | mniip | should i remove it or what |
| 13:57.57 | Stevie-O | no, leave it there |
| 13:58.03 | Stevie-O | that means 'automatically turn on the network connection' |
| 13:58.16 | Stevie-O | reboot the machine and see if it still gets messed with |
| 13:58.25 | mniip | nuh-uh |
| 13:58.31 | Stevie-O | eh? |
| 13:58.40 | mniip | buuut uptime :( |
| 13:58.45 | Stevie-O | well it's that or |
| 13:58.50 | Stevie-O | did you kill network manager? |
| 13:58.52 | mniip | both |
| 13:58.59 | Stevie-O | huh |
| 13:59.04 | Stevie-O | both what |
| 13:59.08 | mniip | both network managers |
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| 14:00.25 | Stevie-O | then I have no idea what it could be, sorry |
| 14:00.40 | Jacta___ | does crontab's normaly runs when created under su/root? |
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| 14:01.08 | Jacta___ | just did "su .." crontab -e "1 * * * * print 1" -- nothing happens |
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| 14:01.11 | Jacta___ | is that normal? |
| 14:01.34 | ksk | see syslog, if it ran |
| 14:01.46 | themill | crontab -e doesn't take arguments |
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| 14:03.06 | linu | ...have you tried rebooting mniip |
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| 14:03.17 | linu | and only using the networkmanager to then configure everything |
| 14:03.22 | linu | then rebooting both machines again ? |
| 14:03.29 | Stevie-O | linu: well if he's doing routing, he shouldn't use network manager |
| 14:03.34 | linu | true that |
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| 14:03.44 | Stevie-O | network manager should detect the interface in /etc/network/interfaces and back off |
| 14:03.46 | linu | though hes trying to only Ping as the first step, which hasnt worked yet |
| 14:03.51 | linu | oh i see |
| 14:03.56 | linu | im not familar with how networkmanager behaves |
| 14:04.25 | linu | on openbsd i just vi /etc/hostname.fxp0 and there is no networkmanager |
| 14:06.02 | wiak | what is recommended when installing debian? wich responsitory? |
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| 14:06.33 | Stevie-O | you mean mirror? whichever is closest |
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| 14:06.47 | wiak | no, resp like testing, unstable etv |
| 14:06.50 | wiak | etc* |
| 14:07.00 | themill | wiak: stable. wheezy |
| 14:07.03 | Stevie-O | depends on what you'll be using the machine for |
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| 14:07.16 | Stevie-O | if you don't know, probably stable (currently wheezy) |
| 14:07.20 | wiak | themill: do i get the latest stable packages with that? |
| 14:07.25 | themill | yes |
| 14:07.31 | HellTiger | wiak: also read here http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 14:08.07 | wiak | i use it on laptop, am also using openshot on it, so i need a system that has up to date packages |
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| 14:08.51 | LongWangHangLow | hello guys |
| 14:09.00 | linu | usually its debian wheezy 7.1 (stable) |
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| 14:10.20 | noisy_ | what ftp server does ftp.debian.org use? |
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| 14:13.24 | Stevie-O | no idea |
| 14:13.32 | Stevie-O | probably proftpd or something |
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| 14:16.26 | jelly | given proftpd's security record, vsftpd seems more likely |
| 14:16.59 | noisy_ | thanks |
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| 14:18.23 | jelly | no need for thanking, we're just guessing wildly |
| 14:18.53 | Stevie-O | jelly: ws_ftp running on qemu |
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| 14:20.47 | Stevie-O | jelly: some guy sitting at a TTY: Commands show up and he types 'ls', 'cd', and 'cat' as appropriate |
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| 14:21.18 | jelly | Stevie-O: that wasn't an invitation, just a statement that noisy_ should not take the answers too seriously |
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| 14:25.20 | wiak | debian dont like me, got a cdrom error, must be the iso > usb creator i used burning dvd now |
| 14:25.20 | wiak | :P |
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| 14:27.13 | noisy_ | wiak: unetbootin is good |
| 14:27.15 | themill | wiak: what did you use? |
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| 14:27.17 | themill | noisy_: no it is not |
| 14:27.30 | Stevie-O | good grief, the eglibc I/O source is incomprehensible |
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| 14:28.10 | edju | running testing here. latest upgrade brought in the kmail2 disaster. i've tried to migrate mail, folders, etc from kmail but have not been successful. google thus far has yielded contradictory solutions. anyone with a pointer to a sxs for the simple-minded? |
| 14:28.42 | g105b | My network has no DHCP server. Is it possible to add a new debian machine to the network and administer it remotely? |
| 14:28.57 | ente | https://www.google.com/search?q=directory+send+ok+inurl:vsftpd leads me to believe that ftp.debian.org indeed runs proftpd |
| 14:29.04 | jhutchins | edju: Look for KDE support - they should have a built-in migration script. |
| 14:29.05 | ente | eh |
| 14:29.06 | noisy_ | wiak: did you md5 to check the integrity of your download, maybe? |
| 14:29.06 | ente | bullshit |
| 14:29.08 | ente | vsftpd |
| 14:29.13 | ente | just woke up, sorry |
| 14:29.13 | jhutchins | edju: Welcome to testing, you found a bug. |
| 14:29.36 | jhutchins | ente: Most of the Debian mirrors have disabled ftp. |
| 14:29.49 | themill | jhutchins: [citation needed] |
| 14:29.58 | jhutchins | Mirror status page. |
| 14:30.06 | themill | edju: #debian-kde on oftc is more likely to be a better place to ask |
| 14:30.12 | ente | jhutchins: disabling ftp is really common these days |
| 14:30.23 | Stevie-O | is there any reason for ftp (downloads) these days now that we have http? |
| 14:30.24 | ente | sadly it hasn't been replaced by anything better yet |
| 14:30.25 | timdau | I have an odd one. I have a system running squeeze and it seems to reboot under highload. The odd part is it is doing a clean reboot. A X windows dialog pops up saying I requested a reboot. |
| 14:30.44 | ente | Stevie-O: the dirlisting on ftp is more standard than on http |
| 14:30.51 | ente | other than that, I can't think of anything |
| 14:30.51 | Stevie-O | ah, true |
| 14:31.00 | Stevie-O | but if you're using a debian mirror, you don't need a dirlisting |
| 14:31.04 | jhutchins | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 14:31.23 | timdau | All I can think of at this point is that maybe the bios is triggering it. Nothing in the bios to suggest it should though. |
| 14:31.27 | Stevie-O | you have the exact path and filename you want already |
| 14:31.28 | timdau | Anyone have suggestions? |
| 14:31.37 | Stevie-O | timdau: have you witnessed the reboot? |
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| 14:31.45 | timdau | yes, many times now |
| 14:31.57 | ente | I didn't realize your question was specifically about debian mirrors |
| 14:31.59 | Stevie-O | open an xterm |
| 14:32.12 | edju | jhutchins, kmail2 has a migration tool, but it doesn't work. i wonder if it's possible to bring down kmail from wheezy and install it - lots of dependencies, of course, which may conflict with the libs from the upgrade of KDE. |
| 14:32.12 | themill | jhutchins: I don't know what you're interpreting on that page as saying that ftp is disabled |
| 14:32.25 | Stevie-O | ente: I suppose mine wasn't, but the original question was :) |
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| 14:32.45 | jhutchins | themill: The ftp column. |
| 14:33.01 | Stevie-O | non-login shells get the shutdown wall, right? |
| 14:33.03 | themill | jhutchins: keep going. |
| 14:33.08 | timdau | If I cancel the dialog, it doesnt reboot. But depending on the load it will ask to reboot immediately after. |
| 14:33.21 | themill | jhutchins: perhaps trying one might help |
| 14:33.27 | Stevie-O | timdau: that's odd. I have no idea what triggers that dialog |
| 14:33.44 | jhutchins | themill: If you have knowledge to the contrary feel free to correct me. I had understood that they were shut down at some point due to an exploit and never re-enabled. |
| 14:33.59 | themill | jhutchins: no. |
| 14:34.02 | timdau | Its like I requested a reboot via the reset button. |
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| 14:34.09 | Stevie-O | What reset button? |
| 14:34.16 | timdau | on the front of the computer |
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| 14:34.22 | ente | jhutchins: I think the document is wrong, ftp.uni-koeln.de works for me, for instance |
| 14:34.25 | timdau | like, I pushed the botton. |
| 14:34.26 | ente | via ftpd |
| 14:34.26 | Stevie-O | ... that gets caught somehow? |
| 14:34.27 | ente | ftp* |
| 14:34.32 | ente | dammit, I'm getting a coffee |
| 14:34.44 | timdau | My only guess at this point is that the bios has some sort of watchdog. |
| 14:34.52 | m00n | is it possible to just rawwrite the iso to usb from windows? |
| 14:34.56 | timdau | maybe the CPU temp is getting too high or something. |
| 14:34.58 | Stevie-O | timdau: what does dmesg say? |
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| 14:35.59 | jhutchins | Stevie-O: dmesg would only be valid up to the reboot.. |
| 14:36.11 | Stevie-O | but timdau is saying that he can cancel the reboot |
| 14:36.23 | timdau | I have it logged here somewhere, I am looking. |
| 14:36.24 | Stevie-O | if I am understanding him correctly |
| 14:37.12 | jhutchins | ente: themill says I have bad info on ftp being disabled. |
| 14:37.17 | dimitry7 | themill, Hello Bro :-D |
| 14:37.33 | Stevie-O | dmesg | pastebinit |
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| 14:37.58 | Monotoko | not quite sure who to ask, when I put up my inbound firewall, which allows through port 25, 53 (UDP+TCP), ping requests and any servers listed in my resolv.conf - I get this in my mail.log: alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.70.26]:25: Connection timed out |
| 14:38.11 | jhutchins | goes back to rebooting redhat servers. |
| 14:38.20 | Monotoko | outbound does not have a firewall on... so I've no idea why the connection keeps timing out |
| 14:38.54 | timdau | 4:23 <@timdau> Broadcast message from root@nt-330i-2 (Mon Jul 22 14:16:24 2013): |
| 14:38.54 | timdau | 14:23 <@timdau> Power button pressed |
| 14:38.55 | timdau | 14:23 <@timdau> The system is going down for system halt NOW! |
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| 14:39.12 | Stevie-O | so it's not a reset button, it's a power button |
| 14:39.17 | Stevie-O | I knew you couldn't catch reset |
| 14:39.34 | Stevie-O | something is probably triggering ACPI shutdown |
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| 14:39.45 | koollman | reset is usually very 'direct' at the psu level |
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| 14:40.10 | timdau | I disabled the poweroff in inittab, didn't work. |
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| 14:40.19 | koollman | power, on the other hand, can be triggered by many things in particular on a laptop |
| 14:40.34 | koollman | timdau: it's more likely to be linked to acpid |
| 14:40.48 | jelly | Monotoko: forgot to allow inbound RELATED,ESTABLISHED ? |
| 14:40.52 | timdau | err /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh I mean |
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| 14:41.27 | Stevie-O | timdau: what do dmesg and /var/log/messages say? |
| 14:41.58 | Stevie-O | checks something |
| 14:42.15 | timdau | I'll have to try to trigger one to get that info. |
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| 14:42.31 | Stevie-O | well |
| 14:42.34 | Stevie-O | next time it happens |
| 14:42.39 | Stevie-O | dmesg > dmesg.log |
| 14:43.42 | jelly | Monotoko: -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 14:43.42 | jelly | Monotoko: -A INPUT -p udp -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT ... at the end of INPUT or whichever custom chain |
| 14:43.47 | timdau | I asked a kernel dev I know and all he gave me was: |
| 14:43.48 | timdau | 15:30 <@bcrl> old kernels had issues with some acpi thermal shutdown implementations |
| 14:44.06 | Stevie-O | what do you get from: uname -a |
| 14:44.12 | Monotoko | jelly, got it - I'm having to use this stupid provider level firewall that's not giving me a command line |
| 14:44.21 | Monotoko | although I imagine it's iptables in the background |
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| 14:45.55 | Stevie-O | what provider level firewallis this? |
| 14:46.09 | timdau | all syslog has is: |
| 14:46.10 | timdau | Aug 27 09:51:40 nt-330i-2 shutdown[3421]: shutting down for system halt |
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| 14:46.17 | timdau | and then appropriate sig 15s |
| 14:46.33 | timdau | Linux nt-330i-2 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:46.38 | timdau | its not THAT old a kernel. |
| 14:47.06 | Monotoko | Stevie-O, some proprietary crap from Flexiscale - the only advantage is anything that hits that and not the servers isn't charged for |
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| 14:47.31 | Monotoko | whereas if it goes past that and the server rejects it using iptables - we're charged |
| 14:47.42 | timdau | You can imagine, STFW doesn't get me much valuable help. |
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| 14:49.15 | ksk | wasnt there a page like "why is software xy not in testing"? |
| 14:49.16 | Stevie-O | timdau: Sounds like *something* is causing shutdown to be executed |
| 14:49.24 | ksk | can someone tell me again please? |
| 14:49.45 | timdau | yeah, and it pretty much has to be via apci |
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| 14:49.54 | timdau | but like I said, disabling the shutdown script didn't help |
| 14:50.10 | gnarface | timdau: what do your temperature sensors say right before the crash? also, make sure all your cpu/case/power supply fans are still working |
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| 14:50.31 | gnarface | timdau: your bios could actually be shutting it down |
| 14:50.34 | koollman | timdau: you need to find more logs. |
| 14:50.39 | Stevie-O | timdau: If you're not afraid of breaking your machine you could replace /sbin/shutdown with a shell script that echos the command line and $PPID |
| 14:51.05 | timdau | its a little atom nettop with an SSD drive in it. it just can't be generating THAT much heat. |
| 14:51.18 | timdau | that is an idea, I will do that with shutdown. |
| 14:51.32 | Stevie-O | timdau: dpkg-divert might help |
| 14:51.42 | timdau | never heard of it |
| 14:51.55 | Stevie-O | I assume you are using Debian, as you're on #debian |
| 14:52.01 | timdau | yes, I am |
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| 14:52.46 | timdau | looks more complicated than I need. |
| 14:54.23 | timdau | okay, shutdown has been replaced. |
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| 14:55.37 | Stevie-O | okay |
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| 14:55.42 | Stevie-O | now you just see if you can't trigger it |
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| 14:55.55 | Stevie-O | then check your logs |
| 14:56.00 | timdau | going to run fdupes again, it should take it down and do some useful work at the same time |
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| 14:56.07 | Stevie-O | there you go |
| 14:56.24 | Stevie-O | btw, where are you having it output to? |
| 14:56.40 | timdau | /var/log/fuc___.log |
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| 14:57.07 | Stevie-O | haha |
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| 15:04.27 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 15:14.13 | milo64 | is there a small program that counts the Slocs determined from the file/stdin that is parsed through it? |
| 15:14.39 | m00n | probably |
| 15:14.45 | koollman | m00n: wc can count lines |
| 15:15.01 | koollman | not sure about 'slocs' specifically. you can probably use sloccount |
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| 15:17.38 | jarray52 | Is there a tool that converts all end of line characters from '\r\n' to '\n'. I have files that have some lines ending in '\n' and some lines ending in '\r\n'. Thanks. |
| 15:17.40 | jarray52 | ? |
| 15:18.05 | gnarface | jarray52: dos2unix |
| 15:18.06 | Vicissitude | tr ought to be able to do that |
| 15:18.19 | jelly | jarray52: there are many ways to skin that cat. tr -d '\r' < old_file > new_file |
| 15:19.02 | jelly | (that doesn't convert \r\n to \n, just removes all the \r) |
| 15:19.28 | milo64 | thx koollman |
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| 15:22.18 | milo64 | Lol, sloccount should estimate how much calories the developers would loose while coding :P |
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| 15:24.53 | wh0ami | hi |
| 15:24.58 | wh0ami | how can i fix 'wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64' error? |
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| 15:26.24 | gnarface | wh0ami: just gonna guess maybe by not running 64-bit binaries on 32-bit kernels? |
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| 15:29.06 | boudiccas | how can i create a .m3u playlist containing .mp3 and .m4a please? i tried this but the end-result is non-playable - cd ~/Music/beeb-radio ;ls -w 1 *.m4a *.mp3> ~/.mpd/playlists/beeb-radio.m3u |
| 15:30.09 | C00re | dont you need a special syntax for playlists |
| 15:30.14 | C00re | iirc |
| 15:31.01 | boudiccas | i dont know, thats why i'm asking |
| 15:31.03 | C00re | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3U |
| 15:31.16 | C00re | i guess you need those #EXT lines |
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| 15:40.18 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 15:41.00 | jelly | C00re: most apps work even without those #EXT "comments" |
| 15:41.04 | Wulf | I installed the libcommons-compress-java package and trying to compile a java program. It tells me that it cannot find the class, and strace shows me that javac doesn't try to open the newly installed jar files |
| 15:41.24 | Wulf | what am I doing wrong? |
| 15:41.53 | C00re | ok |
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| 15:48.02 | wfq | quick question. Is there a way of making an image of a Debian System running on our server so that if we have to reinstall we just back up that image. I know that usually people use other tools to clone development environments but we have just one developer and I would like to make an image of his laptop |
| 15:48.26 | wfq | once I set up the entire development environment |
| 15:49.23 | Wulf | wfq: I recommend that you write scripts which takes a plain debian installation and customizes it to your needs |
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| 15:50.45 | wfq | Wulf thanks. Well it seems that all converge to using Vagrant but I don't have much time to get my head round it at present. I was wondering whether I could just snapshot the system for the time being |
| 15:51.07 | Wulf | wfq: you can use `dd' or similar |
| 15:51.10 | Wulf | wfq: or tar |
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| 15:51.40 | crane__ | hi, i try to bind my dhcpd to my tap0 interface but he says that i did not define any subent for it... this is my config http://pastebin.com/Z7qfH1J1 |
| 15:51.46 | crane__ | someone sees my misstake? |
| 15:51.50 | wfq | to use dd I'd have to use another internal disk, wouldn't I? |
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| 15:52.03 | Wulf | wfq: you can copy over the network |
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| 15:52.23 | wfq | from a live running system? |
| 15:52.34 | wfq | wouldn't it be any conflict |
| 15:52.36 | frostschutz | wfq: not unless you snapshot |
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| 15:52.54 | gnarface | wfq: in most cases no, sometimes yes though |
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| 15:53.43 | Moon_Man | Hi. I have a raspberry pi running debian, that is hosting a wireless access point with hostapd and dnsmasq. Is there a way to log and echo MAC addresses of connected clients, and if so, which application would be best to use? |
| 15:54.35 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: yes, cat /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases |
| 15:54.54 | SirLagz | assuming dnsmasq is only handing out dhcp leases to wifi clients |
| 15:54.59 | msn | as soon as i reinstall the host, the problem reoccurs now. I am setting up isc-dhcp-server/bind9/mit-kerberos/ldap-2.4.35/saslauthd/mysql on a server and after everything starts working the system cant take a reboot, syslog hangs, and not just rsyslog, even syslog-ng and inetutils-syslogd |
| 15:55.07 | gnarface | Moon_Man: where did you find the documentation on how to do that? |
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| 15:55.22 | Moon_Man | gnarface: Subnod.es, and the adafruit wireless AP tutorial |
| 15:55.36 | Moon_Man | SirLagz: Thanks. I'll try that out. I've been looking for that file for quite some time. |
| 15:55.42 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: no problems |
| 15:56.11 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: alternatively, you can grep the daemon.log file or parse the output of iw events -f |
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| 15:58.00 | Moon_Man | SirLagz: Nah, I that file looks to have everything I need. How would I extract individual MAC addresses? Should I write some sort of a script? |
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| 15:58.22 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: awesome. |
| 15:58.26 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:58.34 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: do you want mac address of one device ? |
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| 15:59.19 | Moon_Man | Well for our application we are trying to echo the MAC addresses of connected clients to the terminal so we can display that in our admin portal on a Node.js site. |
| 15:59.27 | SirLagz | cat /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases | awk -F ' ' ' { print $2 } ' |
| 15:59.31 | SirLagz | that's one way |
| 15:59.50 | Moon_Man | Wow, that worked perfectly. |
| 15:59.57 | Moon_Man | Thank you again sir. |
| 16:00.01 | SirLagz | No problems :) |
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| 16:01.33 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: are you on the RPi forums ? |
| 16:02.12 | Moon_Man | SirLagz: I've been meaning to create an account, but I'm doing this project for work, so I need to be able to figure things out on a short time budget. I've found IRC works a little better. |
| 16:02.16 | Moon_Man | Why? |
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| 16:02.49 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: Was going to say if you ever need help with Access Point things, give me a holler on the Forums |
| 16:02.54 | SirLagz | but since you're not on there, never mind lol |
| 16:03.16 | Moon_Man | Thanks for the offer, I may create an account on there at some point. Same username? |
| 16:03.41 | SirLagz | yep :) |
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| 16:16.35 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys, I have trouble with SYS module in python after upgrading from python2.6 to 2.7 (from source). Now My packages are correct but still trouble with that module. How can I reinstall it? |
| 16:17.00 | dimitry7 | I mean in order to remove anything that was left doing something with previus 2.7 version from source |
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| 16:18.06 | Moon_Man | SirLagz: How would I take an input and find the line in that dnsmasq.leases file that contains the search query? Could you give me a few tips on how to do that? |
| 16:18.30 | SirLagz | as in if you wanted to find "c1" in a mac address ? |
| 16:18.40 | Moon_Man | I want to be able to take an input, and with that input, search for an IP, then find the corresponding mac address. |
| 16:18.47 | SirLagz | oo |
| 16:18.54 | Moon_Man | Basically, output the line that has the IP in question. |
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| 16:19.14 | starsinmypockets | Could someone briefly explani what the 'source' command does? |
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| 16:19.46 | Vicissitude | man source could tell you |
| 16:19.48 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: grep <ip addy here> /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases | awk -F ' ' ' { print $2 } ' |
| 16:20.14 | starsinmypockets | "No manual entry for source" |
| 16:20.38 | Moon_Man | SirLagz: Works like a charm. |
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| 16:20.44 | starsinmypockets | ooh "source - Evaluate a file or resource as a Tcl script " |
| 16:20.47 | Moon_Man | :) |
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| 16:21.06 | SirLagz | Moon_Man: I haven't used node.js but you might be able to do it direct from node.js |
| 16:21.38 | Moon_Man | Yes that's very true, but I think it's a bit more straightforward just to pipe the output into the node site. |
| 16:21.47 | Moon_Man | I dunno, there's a bunch of different ways to do it. |
| 16:21.51 | SirLagz | true |
| 16:22.00 | SirLagz | so many ways to skin a cat :D |
| 16:22.24 | Moon_Man | That's why I love software :) |
| 16:22.29 | SirLagz | hehe |
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| 16:24.04 | tweety100 | Hi there! I hope this is the right place to ask, but I am having trouble with Amavis and SELinux, could you help me? I tried googling, reading FAQs, mans and experimented a bit and couldn't figure it out |
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| 16:26.01 | tweety100 | When I start Amavis it crashes, the logs suggest that Perl crashes because access to a port is denied, although it shouldn't be. SELinux isn't logging any permission issue either |
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| 16:31.24 | gnarface | tweety100: you're sure SELinux is active? |
| 16:31.54 | tweety100 | I am, in permissive mode it starts up without error, in enforcing something goes wrong |
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| 16:33.14 | gnarface | tweety100: does it work fine without SELinux enabled ? |
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| 16:34.00 | tweety100 | Completley disabled? It did before I installed SE at least |
| 16:35.05 | tweety100 | Here are some parts of the log files: http://nopaste.info/580d3b28c7_nl.html |
| 16:35.27 | Ticho | whoa, KDE 4.10 is in jessie |
| 16:36.18 | gnarface | tweety100: use paste.debian.net in here |
| 16:36.28 | tweety100 | Alright |
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| 16:36.54 | gnarface | tweety100: i looked at that paste already though and it didn't tell me anything useful sorry. |
| 16:37.16 | tweety100 | Okay, thanks anyway :) |
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| 16:41.02 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 16:41.38 | cousin_luigi | Can a package be pinned from somewhere else than /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d ? (I'm certain it's not held) |
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| 16:45.17 | dimitry7 | I mean in order to remove anything that was left doing something with previus 2.7 version from source |
| 16:45.27 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys, I have trouble with SYS module in python after upgrading from python2.6 to 2.7 (from source). Now My packages are correct but still trouble with that module. How can I reinstall it? |
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| 16:48.08 | zerick | Is there any variation on configuring an upstart job on Debian as on Ubuntu ? |
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| 16:49.39 | gnarface | !upstart |
| 16:49.40 | dpkg | Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ #upstart on irc.freenode.net. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 16:52.13 | dorito_125 | Is this a good place to ask what the difference is between service and systemctl? |
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| 17:04.14 | jarray52 | gnarface: Thanks for suggesting dos2unix. That worked like a charm. |
| 17:04.38 | gnarface | jarray52: no problem |
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| 17:11.54 | val_erie | I have a disk with windows xp. I need to shrink it and then install linux there in addition to windows. I was thinking to use GParted to shrink the partition with windows. I connected the disk to a computer that has gparted installed. The disk is recognized by disk utility, but I do not see it in GParted. |
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| 17:12.07 | wiak | can anyone point me to irssi that has alt working on #debian |
| 17:12.34 | dimitry7 | what is the correct way to shutdown a server? shutdown -h now, or shutdown -P -h now ? |
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| 17:12.54 | rozie | wiak: what is exactly your problem? |
| 17:13.04 | dimitry7 | because -h is enough sometimes but I did it today and the server was still turned on |
| 17:13.22 | rozie | uses irssi, alt works just fine... |
| 17:13.25 | dimitry7 | rozie, I executed # shutdown -h now, to shutdown a server remotely but the report was it still was turned on |
| 17:13.45 | KjetilK | val_erie, last time I did something like that was Ubuntu 9.04, but then the installer prompted me about shrinking the Windows partition, IIRC |
| 17:13.48 | gnarface | dimitry7: i've never used -P. in my experience -h will also shut off the power if it can |
| 17:13.49 | rozie | dimitry7: I use poweroff |
| 17:14.08 | dimitry7 | gnarface, exactly, I completly agree with you. |
| 17:14.22 | dimitry7 | rozie, that's what they say I should've used :-S |
| 17:14.24 | KjetilK | val_erie, it might Just Work, but you have to defragment the drive several times first |
| 17:14.39 | dimitry7 | gnarface, I have always used that one |
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| 17:15.00 | rozie | dimitry7: it was very long time ago. shutdown -h didn't shut the server if there was no apm(d) installed |
| 17:15.21 | gnarface | dimitry7: older hardware has problems with acpi |
| 17:15.52 | gnarface | dimitry7: if its VERY old, apm might work instead, as rozie mentions |
| 17:16.01 | dimitry7 | rozie, that's a great point. I didn't know that. |
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| 17:16.13 | dimitry7 | gnarface, no, it is a power edge r720 :-) |
| 17:16.31 | gnarface | dimitry7: well, make sure you have acpid installed and running first of all then... |
| 17:16.36 | val_erie | KjetilK, thanks, I defragmented it. So,maybe I should just start linux installation and see if the partition can be shrunk then |
| 17:16.45 | gnarface | dimitry7: also worth checking for bios updates |
| 17:17.03 | gnarface | dimitry7: (for the motherboard specifically) |
| 17:17.20 | dimitry7 | gnarface, does acpid have to be installed in order that -h shuts down the server? |
| 17:17.44 | KjetilK | val_erie, yup, just try would be my advice |
| 17:17.45 | gnarface | dimitry7: yes. |
| 17:17.51 | KjetilK | after backup, of course :-) |
| 17:18.00 | gnarface | dimitry7: unless its very old hardware that uses apmd instead of acpid you see? |
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| 17:18.13 | dimitry7 | gnarface, wow, now it is clear to me now. I will check it, also the BIOS updates. |
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| 17:19.14 | gnarface | dimitry7: there are known issues with certain motherboards. if you are unlucky it may never work right. there do exist remote-controllable power supplies though to fill this need. |
| 17:19.16 | dimitry7 | gnarface, yes I see that. In that case what is the command? |
| 17:19.23 | dimitry7 | -P -h ? |
| 17:19.53 | gnarface | dimitry7: no, the command wouldn't change i don't think, just you would install apmd instead of acpid |
| 17:20.16 | dimitry7 | oh perfect I got it now |
| 17:20.41 | dimitry7 | remote-controllable UPS? We Use APC, does it have that feature? |
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| 17:22.03 | gnarface | dimitry7: no it wouldn't be the ups it would be the power strips up the side of the rack |
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| 17:22.21 | gnarface | dimitry7: well, it MIGHT be the UPS i guess if its a REAL high-end one |
| 17:22.46 | gnarface | dimitry7: that is definitely NOT apmd hardware though. run this: dpkg -l apmd |
| 17:22.56 | gnarface | dimitry7: what does it tell you? |
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| 17:24.32 | gnarface | dimitry7: actually i meant run this: dpkg -l acpid |
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| 17:25.35 | gnarface | dimitry7: on rack hardware like that there might be an ipmi backplane you can use too, if its hooked up right, but i'm pretty sure you shouldn't need it just to power down and acpid should work unless there is a big |
| 17:25.40 | gnarface | dimitry7: *bug |
| 17:27.32 | kode101_ | yo@ |
| 17:27.40 | kode101_ | when i apt-get install ffmpeg i get a really old version |
| 17:27.42 | kode101_ | whats up with that |
| 17:28.01 | mtn | kode101_: ha ha |
| 17:28.23 | kode101_ | ? |
| 17:28.32 | gnarface | kode101_: what version of debian are you running, first of all. |
| 17:28.50 | kode101_ | whats the best way to query that in an ssh |
| 17:29.10 | gnarface | lsb_release -a |
| 17:29.28 | kode101_ | 6.0.7 |
| 17:29.39 | gnarface | deprecated |
| 17:29.42 | gnarface | upgrade to 7 |
| 17:29.43 | kode101_ | right |
| 17:29.52 | gnarface | i got bad news though |
| 17:29.52 | kode101_ | so i take it its… not easy… to upgrade debian |
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| 17:30.09 | kode101_ | whats that |
| 17:30.15 | gnarface | upgrade should be easy unless someone has already done something rude to the existing install |
| 17:30.26 | gnarface | bad news is ffmpeg is now actually avconv in debian |
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| 17:30.34 | kode101_ | I FORGOT THAT |
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| 17:30.53 | gnarface | yea its only a problem if you don't know |
| 17:31.02 | kode101_ | is there a one command for upgrading debian |
| 17:31.05 | gnarface | no |
| 17:31.14 | kode101_ | i'm on a vpn |
| 17:31.19 | kode101_ | i should probably ask my host to do that shit right |
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| 17:31.38 | DammitJim | silly question... can you "buy" Debian Support? |
| 17:31.38 | gnarface | well, i mean it depends on how much you're paying them |
| 17:31.51 | gnarface | kode101_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 17:31.57 | jarray52 | Is there a good tool to compare the exact sequence of spaces and tabs when doing diffs? |
| 17:32.14 | gnarface | DammitJim: you can buy it from me but "officially" ... no about that man. |
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| 17:32.22 | DammitJim | gnarface, thanks |
| 17:32.41 | DammitJim | someone was telling me that you can buy Ubuntu support and I didn't think that was an option, but I guess canonical has it now |
| 17:32.44 | kode101_ | lol gnarface how much to compile 'slowmovideo' on my server |
| 17:33.20 | PurpleDog | what's the story behind naming the latest stable "wheezy"? |
| 17:33.22 | gnarface | kode101_: no idea really |
| 17:33.31 | PurpleDog | are the devs fans of lil wayne? |
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| 17:33.35 | DammitJim | PurpleDog, you know, Toy Story |
| 17:33.40 | Sevet | PurpleDog: all debian releases are after toy story |
| 17:33.44 | gnarface | PurpleDog: every release of debian is a character from toy story, check wikipedia |
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| 17:33.46 | PurpleDog | oh I didn't know that, thank you |
| 17:33.55 | PurpleDog | I did check wikipedia but I somehow missed that tidbit |
| 17:34.14 | Sevet | !tell PurpleDog -about toy story |
| 17:34.35 | PurpleDog | thanks |
| 17:35.03 | PurpleDog | "Bruce Perens was the <Debian Project Leader> at the time and also worked for Pixar." interesting |
| 17:35.58 | jarray52 | Dammitjim: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ If you're in the market for buying Debian consulting services. |
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| 17:36.38 | jarray52 | gnarface: You could also advertise there if you're interested in doing that. |
| 17:36.47 | jarray52 | not sure how many people use it though |
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| 17:40.42 | rryoumaa | question: the arch wiki xorg wiki page says "Warning: If you choose to use xinit instead of startx, you are responsible for passing -nolisten tcp and ensuring the session does not break by starting X on a different tty." but i thought X was called in xserverrc and already does that. is arch different from debian in this respect? |
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| 17:41.30 | phy1729 | I'm having trouble downloading the 7.1 amd64 netinst. Is anyone else having similar troubles and can I specify a different mirror? |
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| 17:42.28 | phy1729 | nevermind seems it was just an aurora problem; works in chrome |
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| 17:44.26 | gnarface | rryoumaa: why can't you just use startx again? |
| 17:45.20 | rryoumaa | gnarface: i don't recall. maybe i should. but i'm still curious about that. |
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| 17:46.24 | gnarface | rryoumaa: i'm sorry i have no idea |
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| 18:08.35 | linux|newb | I have an NFS share running on a 12.04 server which I can mount from my ubuntu box but for some reason I can't from my debian box |
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| 18:09.10 | linux|newb | I use mount 000.000.000.000:/share/name /mount/point |
| 18:09.42 | linux|newb | I have NFS-common install on the debian box and rule for the whole 192 range to have access on the NFS-server settings |
| 18:10.40 | linux|newb | the difference between the two boxes, ubuntu (which can) and debian (which can't) - other than distro - is that the ubuntu box is wired and the debian wireless |
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| 18:10.57 | linux|newb | this means that the wireless box has an eth0 address of 169... as well as wlan0 address of 192... |
| 18:11.36 | linux|newb | could that be the root? |
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| 18:18.21 | linux|newb | panic over, it's 'cause I hadn't set NEED_IMAPD |
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| 18:26.36 | X-Sleepy-X | Hi! If you have debian 7.0 and wish to upgrade to 7.1 what do you need to do? |
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| 18:29.36 | babilen | X-Sleepy-X: Just upgrade your system "normally" -- That is ensure you have a correct sources.list (see "/msg dpkg wheezy sources.list") and then run "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:29.56 | babilen | X-Sleepy-X: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html is worth a look |
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| 18:30.22 | X-Sleepy-X | babilen: Ok, thank you! |
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| 18:32.01 | babilen | X-Sleepy-X: A complete (with wheezy-backports!) sources.list that you could use if you are unsure is http://paste.debian.net/30987/ |
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| 18:32.59 | nonconvergent | I get this warning sometimes when doing things: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/wintermute/.cache/keyring-o7HpJy/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
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| 18:33.14 | nonconvergent | I just got it while cloning a git archive. |
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| 18:33.21 | X-Sleepy-X | babilen: Ok, nice. I will look into this tomorrow morning when I'm back at my Debian installation. |
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| 18:34.14 | nonconvergent | Not running gnome, running xfce. |
| 18:34.54 | menace | what's with up packages.debian.org? every search request returns 500er error? |
| 18:35.02 | babilen | nonconvergent: Yes, you have to start it with all components if you want to use it. How do you start XFCE? |
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| 18:36.35 | nonconvergent | babilen: lightdm starts it |
| 18:36.47 | babilen | nonconvergent: Something like "gnome-keyring-daemon --components=pkcs11,gpg,secrets,ssh,gpg --replace" would work, but you should rather try to configure it to start it with all components in the first place. |
| 18:36.55 | babilen | nonconvergent: Is this on wheezy? |
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| 18:37.12 | nonconvergent | babilen: default behavior from a fresh wheezy install |
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| 18:38.45 | babilen | nonconvergent: I've had this problem a while back, but it was fixed by now in unstable (which I am using) -- replacing the keyring daemon with one that uses all components as per the command above works, but there might be a better way. Let me find the bug in question about this. |
| 18:39.25 | babilen | nonconvergent: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653011 |
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| 18:46.28 | cheerupcharlie | why would dist-upgrade remove gnome and half my install today? |
| 18:47.10 | an3k | how to prevent the installer from creating a new user and how to re-enable root ssh access? is there any -root switch which turns off idiot more? |
| 18:47.11 | cheerupcharlie | sorry - Wheezy install (testing) - dist-upgrade removed all of gnome and most dependencies. Forced a reinstall. |
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| 18:47.23 | babilen | cheerupcharlie: Shouldn't happen on wheezy (and you are in the wrong channel if you don't run that) |
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| 18:48.02 | babilen | cheerupcharlie: Take it to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and please paste your sources.list, "apt-cache policy" output and the entire output of the command you refer to to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:48.22 | cheerupcharlie | babilen: Thank you! I'll do that. |
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| 18:55.28 | jdiez | hello, I'm running Linux Mint 15. I'd like to run a few commands before starting my windows manager (awesomewm). This would usually be done in the .xinitrc script |
| 18:55.39 | jdiez | but I understand that x sessions are handled differently with the mint menu chooser |
| 18:55.44 | babilen | dpkg: mint |
| 18:55.44 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:55.51 | jdiez | alright, thanks |
| 18:55.57 | babilen | have fun! :) |
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| 18:58.42 | an3k | awesome. If I install debian the computer doesn't have internet connectivity. IF i install OpenBSD it has internet .... |
| 18:58.46 | an3k | what happened to debian? |
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| 19:02.24 | dondelelcaro | an3k: you'll have to give us more information than that. |
| 19:02.35 | dondelelcaro | an3k: it's quite possible you don't have the firmware for your network card installed |
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| 19:05.36 | an3k | dondelelcaro: I had a old debian installed on that system. worked like a charm. now i try to install the newest debian. doesn't work |
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| 19:08.59 | an3k | wheezy is NOT on ftp.de.debian.org ??? syslog says so |
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| 19:10.03 | an3k | it is ... so why does the installer only find "broken mirrors"? |
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| 19:10.50 | linux|newb | an3k: wired? |
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| 19:11.38 | an3k | yes |
| 19:11.51 | an3k | Aug 27 21:05:23 choose-mirror[29714]: DEBUG: command: wget -q http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -0 - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 19:12.23 | an3k | Aug 27 21:06:19 choose-mirror[29714]: WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy) |
| 19:12.33 | an3k | that's syslog |
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| 19:16.56 | Sevet | an3k: -0 or -O? and what does that output give if you run it? |
| 19:17.11 | abrotman | an3k: it's most certainly there, check in a browser |
| 19:17.16 | an3k | 0 |
| 19:17.26 | an3k | I know it's there but tell that the debian installer ... |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | sounds like a proxy |
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| 19:19.57 | an3k | no proxy and wtf does OpenBSD, Windows, etc. can reach the files while ONLY DEBIAN cannot? |
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| 19:22.07 | Sevet | an3k: sure? it should be -O |
| 19:23.01 | Sevet | try wget -q http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -0 - in a console on the machine, it might show what's causing the problem (eg if you see a page from the proxy or an error) |
| 19:23.31 | Sevet | ... -O - rather (-O - outputs to stdout, -0 isn't a valid wget arg) |
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| 19:23.42 | an3k | I'll check when I reach the install. point. Was just trying it with OpenBSD :) |
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| 19:25.52 | Sudeva | It's been years since I've messed with debian and on a fresh install the system can't find "ip" or "ifconfig". What am I missing here? |
| 19:26.46 | babilen | Sudeva: They might not be in your PATH as they are in /sbin/ -- run them as root. |
| 19:27.15 | babilen | (or alter your PATH accordingly, I added /sbin and /usr/sbin to my "normal" user PATHs in quite a while. |
| 19:27.19 | babilen | ) |
| 19:27.27 | nonconvergent | First thing I do as a single user is add /usr/sbin and the like to $PATH. |
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| 19:27.42 | Sudeva | I did a "sudo su" and am now root, but no go. Let me cd to /sbin and try. |
| 19:27.55 | nonconvergent | PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin and the like |
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| 19:29.25 | hatchetjack | sudo su? |
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| 19:30.25 | hatchetjack | Sudeva: you can run /sbin/ifconfig if you're not root |
| 19:30.28 | hatchetjack | should work |
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| 19:30.45 | nonconvergent | hatchetjack: lets a member of the sudo group switch user without having the user's password, in this case root. |
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| 19:31.05 | nonconvergent | You can restrict that behavior with sudoers permissions. |
| 19:31.30 | hatchetjack | nonconvergent: I'm aware, just never really seen it done like that |
| 19:31.47 | nonconvergent | I have, when the root pass is shadowed a lot. |
| 19:32.28 | hatchetjack | why not just so sudo -s |
| 19:32.32 | hatchetjack | or sudo /bin/bash |
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| 19:32.56 | nonconvergent | Because they each do different things. |
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| 19:33.10 | hatchetjack | they each give a root shell |
| 19:33.13 | hatchetjack | works for me |
| 19:33.15 | Otaku_ | About that logging discussion some time ago: |
| 19:33.19 | Otaku_ | * - We would like to remind you that unauthorised public logging |
| 19:33.19 | Otaku_ | * - of channels on the network is prohibited. Public channel |
| 19:33.19 | Otaku_ | * - logging should only take place where the channel owner(s) has |
| 19:33.19 | Otaku_ | * - requested this and users of the channel are all made aware |
| 19:33.19 | Otaku_ | * - (if you are publically logging your channel, you may wish to |
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| 19:34.12 | nonconvergent | Even if it addresses the same problem, the methodology may be different. |
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| 19:37.29 | TheWarden | Hi, I have gitweb package installed on Debian but for the life of me I can't seem to figure out how or why my Git repositories are not showing up in the browser. Gitweb appears to load but no repositories are listed. I try searching for some but nothing is returned. |
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| 19:40.05 | an3k | Sevet: nothing happens when I enter the wget command manually |
| 19:40.55 | koentje | If I've created a gpg subkey and I give that pubkey to others to import, will they have to re-import/re-sign that key if I will start using another subkey generated from the same master key (for example because the first one expired)? |
| 19:41.57 | an3k | as long as the ID stays the same: no |
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| 19:42.32 | an3k | I guess the debian installer can't handle VLAN |
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| 19:48.03 | zagabar | hmm i have clang installed and i also want the i386 version of clang at the same time, but when i try to install it using apt-get install clang:i386 the package manager wants to remove half of my system. why is that? |
| 19:48.32 | koentje | an3k: hmm, it seems if I generate a new subkey for signing under my master key, it has a different ID than the original one, is this expected? Or do only encryption keys keep the same ID? (and my encryption pub key is the one I give others right?) |
| 19:51.29 | an3k | sorry I'm not that familiar with pgp keys. I just know it's possible without other having to resign. try asking gmaxwell in #bitcoin-dev ... he uses features in his keys I've never heard of :) |
| 19:51.55 | koentje | alright, cool |
| 19:51.57 | koentje | thanks:) |
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| 19:59.07 | an3k | very nice that vlan package is available while installing using netinst but very stupid that ifconfig is NOT |
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| 20:00.40 | an3k | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 |
| 20:00.43 | an3k | modprobe: check |
| 20:00.56 | an3k | apt-get: no necessary |
| 20:01.00 | an3k | vconfig: check |
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| 20:01.07 | an3k | ifconfig: command not found |
| 20:01.09 | an3k | WEEHEEE |
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| 20:03.16 | zerick | Hi guys, I'm trying to do the same as here http://askubuntu.com/questions/54970/how-to-set-up-a-loop-device-at-boot-time with Upstart but on Debian with success, any help plz :( |
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| 20:05.21 | Sevet | zagabar: just a guess, the i386 clang is probably not installable alongside the amd64 one (since it's a binary not a library so installs to the same path). uninstalling clang:amd64 probably is also removing any dependancies not used by anything else |
| 20:05.30 | Sevet | an3k: try using the iproute2 equivalents |
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| 20:06.14 | zagabar | Sevet: ah, would make sense i guess. thanks |
| 20:06.32 | an3k | Sevet: the only available command regarding this issue that begins with i is ip but ip doesn't help at all |
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| 20:08.46 | an3k | computer sends out untagged packets. switch accepts these. router sends data back to the computer, untagged. switch accepts these and forwards TAGGED packets to the computer. and right there debian plays stupid and does not know what to do. I suggest: "ASK FOR VLAN ID" |
| 20:09.47 | cae_ | an3k: did I understand that right, you miss ifconfig? Use ip(8) instead, ifconfig(8) is broken |
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| 20:10.20 | koollman | an3k: sounds like a strange network configuration |
| 20:10.38 | an3k | koollman: it's not strange. It's VLAN |
| 20:11.09 | koollman | an3k: I mean, untagged for outgoing but tagged for incoming |
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| 20:13.07 | an3k | koollman: nah, the switch sends out tagged |
| 20:13.26 | an3k | but currently the debian computer sends untagged because it doesn't use vlan at all |
| 20:13.54 | koollman | oh. that's the broken part then |
| 20:14.12 | an3k | yeah. stupid debian installer |
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| 20:14.44 | an3k | it knows its in a vlan (because it gets tagged packets) but it still doesn't even ask for a vlan ID. |
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| 20:15.57 | an3k | and it's sad that it's easier to connect the computer to a VLAN free port than trying to tell that stupid installer it should use VLAN right now |
| 20:16.32 | Sevet | an3k: ip is the command you need (it's iproute2) |
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| 20:16.53 | Sevet | ip link ... vlan $id |
| 20:17.03 | an3k | Sevet: ifconfig, ipconfig, vconfig, ip and I guess there are some more tools. |
| 20:17.15 | cthuluh | wait, you have a switch setting you don't understand, and the one to blame is the debian installer? |
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| 20:17.31 | an3k | cthuluh: who said I have a switch setting i don't understand? |
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| 20:17.38 | cthuluh | me |
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| 20:17.47 | an3k | well, then you didn't understood my problem ;) |
| 20:18.19 | cthuluh | fine; I'll keep on watching you cursing the installer just because of your lan peculiarity |
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| 20:18.36 | Sevet | an3k: yes... but ip -is- on the installer (ifconfig is not) so use the ip link command to set the vlan tagging from the console when you get into the installer |
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| 20:19.04 | Sevet | fyi there's an open debian bug on adding d-i support to the installer, but it isn't in wheezy. bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433568 |
| 20:19.19 | Sevet | s/adding d-i/adding vlan/ |
| 20:19.45 | an3k | so why is IP replaced with IFCONFIG after the install is done? Is ifconfig better than ip? |
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| 20:21.10 | Sevet | ip is better than ifconfig, and both will work after install. ifconfig does the basic stuff, but iproute2 (ip) does some extra stuff. ifconfig is more for compatibility with programs/users that expect it to be there |
| 20:21.35 | an3k | cthuluh my lan peculiarity? which one? that I have VLAN? |
| 20:21.52 | Sevet | !tell an3k -about iproute |
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| 20:22.42 | cthuluh | an3k: no, not at all, your setup is 100% correct and you're right to blame an OS for not being able to cope with it |
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| 20:23.13 | cthuluh | I mean, all other OSes around here know how to deal with that automagically, right? |
| 20:24.10 | an3k | cthuluh: yes, windows does, openBSD does, my cheap busybox wifi APs do, my NAS (running its own linux) does, etc. |
| 20:24.49 | Sevet | it is a flaw in the installer, not in debian itself which'll work just fine once its configured. there's an open bug on it for d-i but isn't resolved yet. using the ip command during the installer will workaround it. |
| 20:25.23 | Sevet | and define automagically - they'll still need you to set the vlan id to use somewhere? the installer just lacks a prompt for it, so you have to use the command manually |
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| 20:26.05 | cthuluh | I'd call that "bluff" |
| 20:26.08 | jhutchins | an3k: Which installer are you using? |
| 20:26.26 | cthuluh | I know at least one of these OSes very well, and it doesn't support this kind of setup ootb |
| 20:26.49 | an3k | Sevet: well, neither openbsd nor windows or my nas ask for the VLAN ID. No device does. BUT while most devices can understand tagged packets only a few can't - like the d-i. This is another flaw! |
| 20:26.53 | jhutchins | an3k: I think you may be assuming a more universal definition of "vlan" than actually exists. |
| 20:27.07 | jhutchins | an3k: Pretty sure it means something very different on my VMWare system. |
| 20:27.40 | cthuluh | an3k: what, really? what you were assuming is that other OSes support vlans? |
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| 20:27.49 | cthuluh | thanks a lot, I've learned something new |
| 20:27.56 | cthuluh | now, how does it relate to your problem? |
| 20:29.01 | xingu | thinks it's likely that an3k's native vlan is set incorrectly on the tagged port facing the host |
| 20:29.45 | an3k | If my VLAN would be configured wrong I wouldn't be able to talk to you |
| 20:29.48 | xingu | thinks it extremely doubtful that anyone ships an operating environment that strips-and-ignores dot1q tags |
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| 20:30.20 | an3k | Currently: Neither this computer here (Windows 7) nor the debian computer (currently stuck in selecting a mirror) support 802.1q (vlan = tagged packets). |
| 20:30.33 | cthuluh | xingu: no one does, but an3k doesn't need that kind of knowledge, he already knows the reason of his problem |
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| 20:30.55 | an3k | the difference is that windows (or most of network devices) doesn't give a damn shit about receiving tagged packets. It just drops the vlan tag stuff and uses the package as normal |
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| 20:31.27 | an3k | few devices (incl. debian installer) don't drop the vlan stuff but just ignore the whole package |
| 20:31.32 | Sevet | an3k: i think the d-i will understand tagged packets just fine, just be unable to respond because its sending as untagged packets. which means you won't be able to establish a tcp handshake. |
| 20:31.34 | an3k | and this is against the definition |
| 20:32.20 | jhutchins | an3k: Reference? |
| 20:32.21 | an3k | Sevet: d-i is actually sending packets into the www. the router receives them, send them through the switch back to d-i but there nothing happens |
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| 20:32.51 | an3k | xingu: you have absolutely NO clue about vlan :) |
| 20:33.13 | an3k | what part of debian takes care about vlan? driver? kernel? |
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| 20:33.21 | an3k | what part of WINDOWS takes care about vlan? driver? kernel? |
| 20:33.25 | Sevet | linux kernel |
| 20:33.43 | an3k | exactly and on windows: NOBODY |
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| 20:34.08 | koollman | an3k: you don't seem to have many clues, too. or at least, you have a strange views of vlans. I use vlan tagging to separate networks. an OS or device ignoring those tags would be pretty broken for me |
| 20:34.17 | cthuluh | just kick that prick out, *he* doesn't have a clue about vlans yet wants to teach people that try to help him (since a long time) |
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| 20:34.23 | an3k | Windows doesn't care about VLAN. To get VLAN on windows you need to get a NIC driver that supports it. |
| 20:34.28 | koollman | an3k: anyway, you probably want to concentrate on solving your problem rather than arguing about it |
| 20:34.40 | jhutchins | Gentlemen, this has gone off-topic for Debian Support. |
| 20:34.49 | oleo | lol |
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| 20:35.02 | an3k | jhutchins: tell cthuluh who never reads anything and always thinks he is right |
| 20:35.05 | koollman | an3k: so, you probably want to get the 'vlan' package and any dependancy installed on the system |
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| 20:35.23 | an3k | cthuluh: ok, if you know so much more than I do, please tell me what switch I use |
| 20:35.23 | jhutchins | an3k: I tend to agree with him but it's still time to end or move the discussion. |
| 20:36.04 | an3k | koollman: thats the funny thing. the vlan package is already installed. d-i did it itself |
| 20:36.58 | koollman | an3k: so you probably just need some commands to get it running in a correct way |
| 20:36.59 | jhutchins | an3k: You may be interested in bug #433568 |
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| 20:38.16 | an3k | koollman: i just need to issue one or two 'ip' commands, that's it. I'm just surprised that debian still doesn't support it automatically and that there is no updated "howto" |
| 20:38.49 | jhutchins | an3k: Write one. |
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| 20:39.25 | an3k | cthuluh: oh wait. you were trying to help me? you did nothing than stealing time. Sevet helped me and I didn't tried to "teach" him anything. |
| 20:39.25 | cthuluh | an3k: do you mean that I should list all switches models of all contructors that support this kind of setup; do you also want me to hand you the links to their documentation, or can we end stupid questions here? |
| 20:39.45 | jhutchins | cthuluh: Please drop it or take the discussion elsewhere. |
| 20:39.55 | an3k | cthuluh: YOU acted like "i know more than that idiot". now prove it |
| 20:39.55 | koollman | hmm. I don't know that part of ip very well. I would use : vconfig add eth0 yourvlanid |
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| 20:40.05 | koollman | this should create a new interface, eth0.yourvlanid |
| 20:40.14 | an3k | koollman: i even have a tutorial for doing so. but that shit is outdated |
| 20:40.18 | koollman | then you can configure it (ip, netmask and routes). |
| 20:40.20 | an3k | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 |
| 20:40.26 | jhutchins | an3k: So update it. |
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| 20:40.31 | stuxlof | is ia32-libs able to conflict with running software? Or is it a kind of a passive thing. |
| 20:40.37 | lazfsh | I am messing with permissions and I broke something badly: |
| 20:40.37 | lazfsh | Access: (2700/drwx--S---) Uid: (13719035/ purep) Gid: (1181432/ purep_r) |
| 20:40.37 | lazfsh | Access: 2013-08-27 13:32:01.633039666 -0700 |
| 20:40.37 | lazfsh | Modify: 2013-08-27 12:49:15.778400681 -0700 |
| 20:40.37 | lazfsh | Change: 2013-08-27 13:32:01.633039666 -0700 |
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| 20:40.52 | koollman | an3k: in which way is it outdated ? this looks like it will work |
| 20:40.52 | jhutchins | an3k: This stuff only happens if somebody makes the effort to do it. |
| 20:41.13 | an3k | koollman: when installing debian you don't have ifconfig present, just ip |
| 20:41.34 | koollman | an3k: right, right. but the vconfig part is still correct :) |
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| 20:41.39 | orfix | Hi, I am in dualboot Win/Debian ... If I wipe out the Debian partitions... will I have issues with grub ? (I'll use a liveCD then issue "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3 bs=10M"). ? Thank you. |
| 20:41.43 | Sevet | that page is written for an installed system, not the installer |
| 20:41.49 | jhutchins | an3k: Somebody has to code the automatic set-up. VLANs are still edge-case for most Linux users, so there's no compelling reason to make it the default. Unlike windows, linux users are expected to be able to research and implement things themselves instead of having it done for them. |
| 20:42.04 | an3k | koollman: true but that is not the difficult part in case you have to try&error :) |
| 20:42.18 | zerick | I'm trying to do the same as here http://askubuntu.com/questions/54970/how-to-set-up-a-loop-device-at-boot-time with Upstart but on Debian with no success, any help plz :( |
| 20:42.21 | Sevet | run vconfig before the installer gets to the network config stage though and it'll be able to set the ip on it for you :) |
| 20:42.24 | jhutchins | Sevet: The lack of support in the installer is a known work-in-progress. See the above bug reference for more info. |
| 20:42.28 | Sevet | so no need for ifconfig |
| 20:42.41 | Sevet | jhutchins: i already pasted that bug link ages ago... |
| 20:43.12 | jhutchins | Sevet: Ok, just trying to reign in the pointless argument and get things back on topic. |
| 20:43.24 | lazfsh | I broke something in permissions http://pastiebin.com/521d0f3b813c7 it somehow got set to 2700 instead of 0755. |
| 20:43.28 | koollman | an3k: example: ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0.5 |
| 20:43.35 | an3k | jhutchins: I know that, I develop myself. What I just hate are outdated "tutorials" and stupid developing |
| 20:43.57 | jhutchins | an3k: So make it better, don't just bitch and rant. |
| 20:44.05 | orfix | any idea ? from what I know Grub resides in the MBR so if I do not wipe out the MBR I am safe... right ? |
| 20:44.05 | koollman | an3k: well. if you develop ... you should know : either you write something better, or you stop complaining |
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| 20:44.40 | an3k | koollman: I LOVE ppl complaining about my software. Then I can improve it - as long as its a legit complain |
| 20:44.47 | jhutchins | There will always be outdated documentation on the internet. It's just how things are. |
| 20:45.19 | an3k | cthuluh: no fucking random queries |
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| 20:45.36 | jhutchins | an3k: Ranting here does not help. File bugreports with workarounds. |
| 20:46.17 | koollman | an3k: well. I gave you the syntax. try and report errors, or stop complaining :) |
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| 20:47.32 | Duality | hi |
| 20:47.59 | jelly-home | jhutchins: our workaround is to set up the trunk after installation, both linux and switch-side |
| 20:48.02 | an3k | cthuluh: what YOU did not understand is: at the time when you appeared I already had a solution but was just talking with other guys here. And YOU did not help in any way. You were just bitching around about "how stupid "he" is". And because YOU don't understand: I was not expecting everything to work as I imagine but what I expect is at least the installer is working without problems. Why? |
| 20:48.02 | an3k | Because it's just the fucking installer, not the whole OS. |
| 20:48.05 | Duality | how do I find out what ip my computer gives out to a device that is on shared network I made (via gui, shared to other computers on eth0) wired |
| 20:48.13 | jhutchins | an3k: Please drop it. |
| 20:48.39 | an3k | jhutchins: i did. ignored that insulting noob |
| 20:48.44 | jhutchins | Duality: Should be in the main log. |
| 20:48.53 | Duality | in the dmesg log ? |
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| 20:49.00 | an3k | Thanks to Sevet, koollman, jhutchins for the help and time. |
| 20:49.36 | jhutchins | Duality: /var/log/messages |
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| 20:50.04 | Duality | jhutchins: that one is empty |
| 20:50.04 | jhutchins | Duality: I'm pretty sure that's where dhcp servers log assignments. You could track down the lease file for your server too. |
| 20:51.00 | Duality | jhutchins: it's not empty shows content with less thanks! :) |
| 20:51.23 | jhutchins | Duality: Yeah, syslog. grep -i dhcp /var/log/* |
| 20:52.05 | jhutchins | is still not used to Debian's log file shell game. |
| 20:53.14 | Duality | jhutchins: that log doesn't show it though :) |
| 20:53.35 | an3k | "ip link show" just shows up localhost ... but why did the computer requested and got a valid ip address? |
| 20:53.59 | jhutchins | Duality: Which log? Show what? |
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| 20:54.25 | jhutchins | an3k: ifconifig, ifconfig /a |
| 20:54.59 | an3k | jhutchins: no ifconfig available :) |
| 20:55.03 | an3k | just ip |
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| 20:55.51 | Duality | syslog doesn't show the givven ip and neither does messages |
| 20:56.10 | Duality | dhcp log doesn't exist :) |
| 20:56.17 | jhutchins | Duality: What dhcp daemon are you running? |
| 20:56.26 | jelly-home | an3k: that's just a quirk of linux networking; tags get stripped on ingress somewhere in the kernel if dot1q support is not present at all |
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| 20:57.28 | jelly-home | an3k: why/how the dhcp server gets the dhcp requests and acks back is a better question |
| 20:58.08 | Duality | jhutchins: don't know, the one installed by default in debian ? |
| 20:58.35 | jhutchins | Duality: Well, by default I don't think there is one. |
| 20:59.02 | jhutchins | Duality: I know I've manually installed dhcpd, but there's dnsmasq which can do DHCP. If you haven't set something up it's probably not assigning addresses. |
| 20:59.21 | an3k | computer sends untagged request, switch accepts untagged packets and forwards them to the router (here i have to do port based vlan bcause router doesn't support tagged packets). router answers and sends out untagged packets, switch accepts, adds tags and send them out to the computer |
| 20:59.51 | an3k | jelly-home: isn't that a normal behavior? |
| 20:59.51 | jelly-home | an3k: your switch is broken then |
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| 20:59.57 | Duality | jhutchins: it is :) I have a tool that shows it, but not for the device currently connected |
| 21:00.20 | an3k | why? what should the switch NOT do? accepting untagged packets? |
| 21:00.49 | jelly-home | an3k: either a vlan is native or is tagged; switch accepting untagged traffic for a vlan, and sending back tagged traffic for that same vlan to the same port is silly |
| 21:01.20 | Sevet | ...for a start they aren't necessarily the same network |
| 21:01.31 | jhutchins | Duality: You're being terribly vague. What tool? Shows what? Obviously not what you want to show. I think you're trying to do this from a GUI when you should be using the CLI instead so you know what's happening. What release are you on? |
| 21:01.44 | an3k | jelly-home: well, I configured the switch that way. Otherwise some devices cannot be in a VLAN |
| 21:02.06 | an3k | like windows |
| 21:02.09 | jhutchins | Duality: Again, grep -i dhcp /var/log/* should show the requests and replies. |
| 21:02.20 | jelly-home | an3k: well, either the interpretation or the behaviour is incorrect |
| 21:02.43 | Duality | jhutchins: /var/log is a directory |
| 21:02.59 | Sevet | the /* is important |
| 21:03.20 | Sevet | (files in /var/log, rather than the directory) |
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| 21:04.59 | jhutchins | We could throw in a -r for fun and recursion, but I don't think we need it. |
| 21:05.16 | Duality | jhutchins: have it working :) |
| 21:05.37 | dimitry7 | hey Guys. I assing IP addresses by MAC address in dhcpd.conf... but I want two of my users use another gateway (because ISP's got routing problems) |
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| 21:06.07 | dimitry7 | I want them to go out the other Internet Link. I added the option: option routers 192.168.1.26. |
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| 21:06.51 | dimitry7 | to the dhcpd.conf file... but they still go through 1.254 (default gw). What instruction should I use for them to go through the proxy and to the alternative link? |
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| 21:07.05 | jhutchins | Interesting, my DVR, Kindle, and Android Phone are all identified as such in the log. |
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| 21:07.42 | dimitry7 | I have also added a 2nd default route in the proxy server |
| 21:08.00 | jhutchins | There is only one default. |
| 21:08.06 | jelly-home | an3k: windows 2003 and above are perfectly capable of always sending out traffic for a specific vlan tagged, given drivers and configuration |
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| 21:08.59 | an3k | jelly-home: windows itself doesn't care about vlan. The driver should handle it completely. The problem is that only very few drivers support 802.1q |
| 21:09.16 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, really? so they will never go out through the 2nd gateway? |
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| 21:09.58 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, what can I do to make the dhcp or proxy route the traffic of both users through the 2nd link? |
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| 21:10.40 | Sevet | dimitry7: google iproute source policy routing |
| 21:11.08 | Sevet | you can have a different routing table for those users based on source ip using a different default gateway |
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| 21:11.08 | jelly-home | an3k: either your OS has support or not, where it comes from is irrelevant. If you don't, then you don't use .1q, and leave the port in access mode with untagged traffic for a single vlan |
| 21:11.18 | an3k | jelly: that does not apply on windows |
| 21:11.23 | jelly-home | an3k: it does. |
| 21:11.38 | an3k | well, based on the NIC drivers |
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| 21:12.31 | jelly-home | an3k: it's very simple. No .1q support in drivers? Don't enable trunking on that port. |
| 21:12.33 | an3k | if the driver doesn't support 2dot1q then windows doesn't support it. Linux instead supports it always |
| 21:12.39 | Sevet | so install the drivers, and don't use 1q without them |
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| 21:13.16 | an3k | Sevet: for the most SOHO NICs no drivers with 2dot1q are available. thats the issue with windows |
| 21:13.28 | Sevet | no that's an issue with those nic manufacturers |
| 21:13.45 | an3k | linux users never notice that because they don't need special drivers but just a linux kernel and i guess everybody in here has one? :) |
| 21:13.47 | Sevet | (though you can argue windows should support it in its kernel) |
| 21:13.55 | jelly-home | an3k: not really. Linux drivers default to stripping of the tags and doing output untagged. That's opposite of "supports it always". It's just a different failure mode. |
| 21:14.18 | an3k | Sevet: If you want 2dot1q on windows you will need to buy those expensive professional NICs |
| 21:14.57 | jelly-home | an3k: older cards without .1q support might behave erratically in different ways than that |
| 21:15.26 | dimitry7 | Sevet, for example this: 192.168.1.146 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.26 |
| 21:15.38 | jelly-home | an3k: $7 on dx.com is expensive? |
| 21:15.52 | an3k | true, but such cards exists as often as cards with 2dot1q capable drivers :) |
| 21:16.06 | an3k | jelly-home: what chipset? |
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| 21:17.26 | Sevet | an3k: or use the port in untagged mode (and both send/recv untagged) |
| 21:17.30 | an3k | Sevet: Personally i think the OS should handle it completely. What if an integrated NIC has no driver with 802.1q? Buy a new one but what if there's no slot left? Buy a new PC? Nah, install Linux ... :) |
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| 21:17.53 | Sevet | an3k: what you shouldn't do is mix U and T |
| 21:18.34 | jelly-home | an3k: sorry, that was ebay. it might have been some via crap |
| 21:18.36 | an3k | well, mixing that is very difficult :) |
| 21:19.03 | jelly-home | an3k: linux won't magically give you 802.1q support if it's not in the hardware |
| 21:19.05 | kyconquers | I have a box that has used virt-install to create a few VMs. if I only know the host name of a VM, how can I log into it? or find the IP of that VM? |
| 21:19.16 | an3k | ok, setting the vlan id before the installer gets to check a mirror is not a solution :( |
| 21:19.38 | Sevet | it isn't? |
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| 21:20.01 | Sevet | well, workaround more than a solution... but, it didn't work for you? |
| 21:20.38 | an3k | jelly-home: the hardware just has to accept larger packet headers, not 802.1q itself |
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| 21:21.09 | jelly-home | an3k: it also has to be able to send tagged packets out |
| 21:21.35 | an3k | Sevet: i set the vlanid and ifup the new nic. fine i thought but now d-i immediately aborts because there is no route to the internet |
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| 21:22.56 | an3k | jelly-home: if the hardware doesn't go fully retarded on incoming tagged packets it automatically supports outgoing tagged packets |
| 21:23.32 | jelly-home | an3k: our workaround at work, if we have to use d-i instead of a custom image, is to install with port in access mode, and change switch config and "eth0" in /e/n/interfaces to "eth0.7" after installation |
| 21:23.41 | jelly-home | an3k: not IME |
| 21:24.10 | Sevet | an3k: try creating the vlan device with vconfig early (during lang selection) and letting d-i detect the vlan interface and configure the ip itself on the normal network screens |
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| 21:24.43 | an3k | Sevet: I did but then the vlan package is not yet installed :( |
| 21:25.05 | Sevet | you can do the same with 'ip link' |
| 21:25.07 | cardiel | how can i change the resolution in gdm3? |
| 21:25.08 | jelly-home | d-i is a stupid thing, it's not worth wasting the time unless the support is clearly present (or at least the .udebs are there) |
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| 21:25.15 | an3k | jelly-home: yeah, that is exactly the solution i'm going to use now. easier than freaking around with the installer |
| 21:25.49 | jelly-home | and the bug report explicitely states this is not fixed in time for wheezy |
| 21:25.57 | an3k | from the beginning i hated d-i, especially if you only want to install servers :) |
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| 21:26.13 | jelly-home | it's getting better over time |
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| 21:27.21 | jelly-home | one can set up md raid and lvm without falling back to the shell |
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| 21:28.10 | phogg | jelly-home: kids today have it so easy |
| 21:28.12 | jelly-home | and vlans? eh, might as well as for bonding and autodetection thereof |
| 21:28.24 | phogg | maybe in another 10 years |
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| 21:29.09 | jelly-home | ask* |
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| 21:31.50 | an3k | phogg: one reason why i hate the installer. It's optimized for the noobs. I miss a "root" option which doesn't ask for "create a new user" or blocks root from ssh |
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| 21:32.41 | jelly-home | !tell an3k about preseed |
| 21:32.44 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:33.36 | drhouse123 | jelly-home: what from you hides? |
| 21:33.44 | an3k | I hoped it's available for linux too. used that for ages with windows :) Had a CD, boot from it and everything is done automatically :) |
| 21:33.51 | an3k | from me i think. im talking too much :p |
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| 21:46.32 | JasonWoof | there's a security advisory for tiff, along with an annoucement of a new libtiff5. but imagemagic deps on libtiff4 |
| 21:46.42 | JasonWoof | s/new/patched/ |
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| 21:47.25 | JasonWoof | I run imagemagic (convert) when people upload photos. should I be worried or do something? |
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| 21:48.11 | ShinyObjects | Hey all. I'm working on a system that needs to be able to install a standalone .deb without user interaction |
| 21:48.28 | ShinyObjects | An updater for our software |
| 21:48.38 | ShinyObjects | The user needs to be able to upload a .deb and it installs itself. |
| 21:48.58 | ShinyObjects | So I'm making a small C program that just appends the first argument it gets to dpkg -i and forks/execs |
| 21:49.10 | ShinyObjects | I set the executable owned by root and setuid |
| 21:49.13 | an3k | tagging turned off and suddenly d-i can access the internet *its magic* |
| 21:49.15 | ShinyObjects | But when I run it I get nothing back |
| 21:49.33 | ShinyObjects | It exits immediately with no error output or the like |
| 21:50.11 | an3k | check what exact command your software is using and enter it manually. what happens? |
| 21:50.19 | an3k | before check syslog |
| 21:50.37 | JasonWoof | well, that's confusing. the source package tiff3 produces the binary package libtiff4, and the source package tiff, produces binary package libtiff5 (version 4.0.2-6+deb7u2) |
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| 21:52.19 | wrks | hello, I have attached a USB device, however it does not appear to be showing up in /dev as a new sdb device. Can you help please |
| 21:52.36 | ShinyObjects | an3k: good call, I really should check the syslogs. |
| 21:53.04 | an3k | wrks: I've never done this but I would google "mount USB drive" |
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| 21:53.27 | an3k | if that works you can check for "automount usb drive" so it happens automatically :) |
| 21:53.53 | wrks | Have tried that, all tutorials tate that a new device in dmesg and /dev should appear |
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| 21:55.38 | JasonWoof | wrks: you've got a usb storage device that doesn't show up in /dev? |
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| 21:55.53 | JasonWoof | (sorry, I just joined this channel) |
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| 21:57.15 | an3k | JasonWoof: exactly. I don't have a clue so if you could take over :) |
| 21:57.51 | wrks | JasonWoof: Correct. |
| 21:58.10 | JasonWoof | wrks: can you get it to mount at all ever? |
| 21:58.13 | wrks | |I cannot see it in /dev usually it is /dev/sdb for example right> |
| 21:58.49 | JasonWoof | afaik if it's not showing in /dev then that generally means it's not plugged in, now powered on, or you don't have drivers for it |
| 21:58.49 | an0n | Sup guys, I'm on Debian sid, just recently ran a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and now a ****-load of packages were removed, metacity is gone, a bunch of Gnome crap is gone, tasksel is gone, even the kernel image is gone, and I am unable to install anything that is now missing. Help? |
| 21:59.24 | JasonWoof | an0n: why can't you install stuff? |
| 21:59.37 | JasonWoof | an0n: ie what have you tried, and what happens? |
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| 21:59.50 | an0n | hold on, I'll paste some output that apt spits out after trying to install linux-base |
| 21:59.58 | jelly-home | an0n: can you pastebin the whole output of that command? |
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| 22:00.06 | wrks | Do you think it could be a hard ware fault with the hard drive. It is a hard disk attached using a SATA to USB adapter |
| 22:00.10 | an3k | an0n: if you still can abort: DO SO! |
| 22:00.27 | an0n | Don't worry, I'm not rebooting any time soon! LOL |
| 22:01.07 | an3k | an0n: i mean if you can abort aptitude trying to update :) |
| 22:01.27 | jelly-home | "were removed" sounds like past tense |
| 22:01.51 | an3k | I did dist-upgrade once and killed the whole server. Since then I stick to "NEVER touch a running system" |
| 22:02.00 | an0n | When I started seeing things like "removing gnome-blabla" I slammed Ctrl+C and it wouldn't stop :( |
| 22:02.16 | digdilem | yeah. it's a thing. i did it on a very busy system here last week, took a full day to get things square again |
| 22:02.17 | jelly-home | an0n: believe it or not, that's a feature |
| 22:02.18 | an3k | Oh, I love that. You're root and can't abort a process |
| 22:02.34 | jelly-home | a somewhat misguided one |
| 22:03.12 | an0n | What is the safest way to upgrade a Debian system? (I'm using sid btw) |
| 22:03.24 | an3k | dist-upgrade is like installing windows 8 as an upgrade over windows 7. Every good windows-admin will tell you "NEVER upgrade windows. Backup -> Format -> Install! |
| 22:03.40 | jhutchins | JasonWoof: WHich release? |
| 22:03.44 | digdilem | built another server. install new version. copy the processes to it. |
| 22:03.48 | an3k | exactly |
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| 22:03.55 | JasonWoof | jhutchins: stable |
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| 22:04.08 | jelly-home | an0n: step 1) don't use sid step 2) read the sid faq, including suggestions to use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs step 3) READ THE FUCKING OUTPUT of apt-get before accepting |
| 22:04.17 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 22:04.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 22:04.26 | jelly-home | !sid faq |
| 22:04.26 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 22:04.42 | an3k | yes, 3) is also very important |
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| 22:05.08 | an3k | you even can tell apt to look for another solution (but the times i used it, it just got worse and worse :) |
| 22:05.48 | an3k | I ended up in ignoring apt completely and installed the packages as I wanted. System is still online ;) |
| 22:05.54 | jelly-home | if there's a whole bunch of package names below "The following packages are going to be REMOVED" something might just be amiss... |
| 22:06.02 | digdilem | on anything but the most basic of systems, even scrutinising apt-get's output doesn't always prevent gotchas or upgrade problems |
| 22:06.51 | jelly-home | digdilem: thankfully only people willing to fix bugs and report problems use sid, because that's what it's for, right |
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| 22:07.01 | an3k | dist-upgrade should ABORT without asking the user if it has to remove a package and can't find a replacement |
| 22:07.31 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.38 | JasonWoof | an0n: don't run unstable/sid on a server. I use aptitude and review all package changes (upgrades, removals, new packages) before letting it process the changes. aptitude has a nice feature where you can review various solutions to conflicts, and pick the one you like. |
| 22:07.43 | jelly-home | an3k: the problem space is a bit more complex |
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| 22:08.09 | an3k | indeed but that would be a good solution for beginners |
| 22:08.18 | jelly-home | beginners don't use unstable |
| 22:08.26 | an3k | it's easier to help them upgrading than fixing their broken system :) |
| 22:09.13 | an3k | well, depends on the definition of "beginner" :) |
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| 22:10.36 | jelly-home | if it were me, I'd probably inspect the output and install back the important/useful stuff |
| 22:11.00 | mad_mode_on | hey is there a free software to install localy in such a way I can send 10.000 emails or more (one per time) ? |
| 22:11.04 | an3k | grep all the removed packages (depening on how many were removed) |
| 22:11.27 | jelly-home | grep what? |
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| 22:12.01 | an3k | cat syslog | grep "successfully removed package" |
| 22:12.15 | an3k | something like that to get a nice clean list of all packages removed |
| 22:12.27 | an3k | all after dist-upgrade was issued |
| 22:12.30 | jelly-home | an3k: syslog does not show apt's doings |
| 22:12.38 | an3k | FACEPALM |
| 22:13.00 | jelly-home | let's not invent imagined features |
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| 22:18.28 | kyconquers | I am using KVM and have created a few VMs. how can I either connect to the terminal of one of these VMs or find it's IP? |
| 22:20.49 | an3k | "Install base system" means an MTA gets installed .... very nice ... NOT |
| 22:20.57 | civillian | kyconquers: surely google has that answer? |
| 22:21.04 | koollman | an3k: still complaining ? :) |
| 22:21.26 | kyconquers | civillian, not that I have found so far. |
| 22:21.33 | an3k | just a little bit bitching while I'm getting that system ready :) |
| 22:21.35 | koollman | an3k: mta is part of base system, yes. various programs depends on it |
| 22:21.44 | civillian | kyconquers: Xen uses VNC, you might find KVM does too. |
| 22:22.09 | kyconquers | civillian, I know I can use virsh connect if I know the hypervisor, but I don't know what that would be. |
| 22:22.20 | an3k | koollman: yeah, since wheezy i think. it wasn't a default back at sarge |
| 22:22.24 | civillian | I would look at netstat -tunlp and look for either VNC or something on port 9000 |
| 22:22.26 | kyconquers | VNC? I will check it out. thanks |
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| 22:22.41 | civillian | 9001, 9002 etc for each VM |
| 22:22.46 | civillian | just a guess |
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| 22:25.04 | an3k | root@debian:~# vconfig add eth0 4 |
| 22:25.05 | an3k | WARNING: Could not open /proc/net/vlan/config. Maybe you need to load the 8021q module, or maybe you are not using PROCFS?? |
| 22:25.05 | an3k | Added VLAN with VID == 4 to IF -:eth0:- |
| 22:25.05 | an3k | root@debian:~# |
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| 22:25.18 | civillian | !pastebin |
| 22:25.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:25.36 | an3k | at least the kickreason is correct :) |
| 22:25.46 | koollman | an3k: modprobe 8021q |
| 22:26.10 | an3k | no output means everything perfect? :) |
| 22:26.23 | civillian | koollman, an3k: you will find that command added the dot1q module automatically, albeit with a warning |
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| 22:27.23 | an3k | is it possible that ifconfig can't handle vlan at all? |
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| 22:28.24 | civillian | an3k: new vlan interfaces don't show as UP, you can view all interfaces with ifconfig -a |
| 22:28.41 | civillian | an3k: you need to configure them before they will show up with ordinary ifconfig |
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| 22:30.34 | an3k | followed https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 |
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| 22:31.47 | an3k | after "ifconfig eth0.4 up && ifconfig eth0 down" (and re-enabling 802.1q in the switch for the port the linux is connected to) the whole system is cut off the network..... |
| 22:32.06 | civillian | an3k: why did you shut down eth0? |
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| 22:33.03 | an3k | because eth0 should be offline. It uses the IP of eth0.4 and was accessable without any vlan configured |
| 22:33.26 | civillian | if eth0 is down, eth0.4 will not work |
| 22:33.32 | civillian | afaik |
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| 22:33.42 | civillian | just remove the ip from eth0 if you want it on eth0.4 |
| 22:33.46 | an3k | afaik too |
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| 22:34.03 | civillian | generally, you want no IP config on your base ethernet device for a trunk |
| 22:34.03 | koollman | correct. you want eth0 to be up, but without the ip you used |
| 22:34.16 | civillian | ip addr del 10.0.0.1/24 dev eth0 |
| 22:34.25 | civillian | carefully |
| 22:34.29 | an3k | Now I really want to hurt the d-i maintainer |
| 22:34.51 | civillian | why is that |
| 22:34.55 | koollman | an3k: he's probably suffering enough already |
| 22:34.59 | an3k | i hope so |
| 22:35.34 | pendos_ | Can someone help me figure out why xrandr can't detect my external monitor on my laptop at all? I have an HD intel graphics 4000 graphics card. Thank you! |
| 22:35.39 | an3k | civillian: the debian installer cannot handle VLAN. Either you wait until the OS is completely installed or you enable it manually. |
| 22:35.52 | civillian | an3k: so wait until the OS is completely installed |
| 22:35.54 | an3k | If you wait for the final system you still have to do this and that. |
| 22:36.30 | civillian | an3k: Its far easier to setup an OS from an access port, I'm sure the same would go for any OS |
| 22:36.46 | jelly-home | and an3k already said he was going to do that |
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| 22:37.05 | civillian | doesn't seem that way |
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| 22:37.11 | an3k | did so, that's why I was able to install debian-netinst. |
| 22:37.58 | jelly-home | an3k: so what's your issue now, you installed "vlan" package, reconfigured /etc/network/interfaces, and what fails? |
| 22:38.08 | jelly-home | (and the switch) |
| 22:38.33 | n1md4 | hi. wondering if any one can help. i use screen, and would like to be able to title nested screen session windows; so the default is one status line at the bottom, and i'd like the nested session titles to be displayed above that.. can any one help? |
| 22:38.34 | an3k | i installed vlan, did ifconfig eth0.4 up and the switch thingy |
| 22:38.51 | an3k | but then debian still used the eth0 interface, not the eth0.4 one |
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| 22:39.58 | jelly-home | an3k: about ifup/ifdown and interfaces(5), you want to ifdown before removing the configuration for that iface, else ifdown does not know what to remove |
| 22:40.03 | an3k | I mean: pushing a debian into a VLAN is as difficult as lifting a rover onto mars... |
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| 22:40.34 | an3k | I just want to tell debian that ETH0 is part of vlan 4. I do NOT want eth0 and eth0.4 |
| 22:41.01 | jelly-home | an3k: if you don't know how do disable the ip addresses for the native iface, just reboot |
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| 22:41.19 | koollman | an3k: that's not how vlans work on linux |
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| 22:41.45 | an3k | koollman: then someone should fix it. it's ok for virtual NICs but extremely stupid for VLANs |
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| 22:41.54 | civillian | an3k: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and perhaps we can help further |
| 22:42.03 | jelly-home | an3k: "eth0" is supposed to be UP, just without any ip configuration on it |
| 22:42.22 | koollman | an3k: Well, it's stupid when you don't know how to make them work. Then, it's ok :) |
| 22:42.48 | civillian | it's not stupid at all |
| 22:42.52 | an3k | koollman: why going the easy way when there's also a difficult one? |
| 22:42.52 | jelly-home | an3k: it's stupid to hide interfaces when they're physical and clearly still there, like B'com drivers on windows do |
| 22:43.05 | civillian | if you disable the physical interface on a cisco, the same thing will happen |
| 22:43.20 | civillian | same with VMware |
| 22:43.27 | an3k | jelly-home: i dont want to hide a physical device. i want to tell linux that the physical device is part of a vlan. i don't want another device |
| 22:43.34 | an3k | well, cisco :) |
| 22:44.04 | jelly-home | an3k: that's just how this looks -- it's normal to see eth0 and eth0.vlan in ifconfig output |
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| 22:44.38 | civillian | an3k: go and disable the physical port on your switch that your eth0 is connected to and see if you still have a link light |
| 22:44.45 | civillian | I bet you won't |
| 22:44.47 | koollman | an3k: I'm not sure what you are comparing it to. windows vlan are driver specific, which is awful in its own way, and other OS have different ways to think about vlans, too |
| 22:44.47 | jelly-home | an3k: pastebin your interfaces file. |
| 22:45.07 | an3k | civillian: i won't yes but i also don't have a virtual device for each vlan :) |
| 22:46.06 | jelly-home | less whining, more data |
| 22:46.47 | an3k | jelly-home: if you waste hours just because some ppl can't do their "job" you come to a point were you don't give a shit anymore and just use the easiest way. |
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| 22:47.49 | jelly-home | an3k: we don't care about hours wasted. Please focus on the technical issue at hand. |
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| 22:54.10 | an3k | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/DHACGHDd |
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| 22:55.06 | jelly-home | an3k: right, so replace eth0 with eth0.4, reboot, see if it works |
| 22:55.40 | jelly-home | an3k: for a static ip, you might have something like http://paste.debian.net/31073/ |
| 22:56.19 | an3k | jep, have such a config on my productive server |
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| 22:56.46 | dimitry7 | is there a way to reconstruct all python installation within debian? |
| 22:57.10 | abrotman | dimitry7: just tell your boss it's broken already |
| 22:57.15 | dimitry7 | if I remove very package that has "python" included in it's name |
| 22:57.20 | an3k | jelly-home: the problem is: that doesn't work |
| 22:58.02 | jelly-home | an3k: ok. how does it fail? |
| 22:58.04 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yesterday a guy here (themil) helped me. Actually he fixed my package system with two commands. I don't get any errors now, but my script does not run. |
| 22:58.15 | abrotman | which script? |
| 22:58.16 | dimitry7 | well... 4 commands |
| 22:58.24 | dimitry7 | abrotman, this one: |
| 22:59.02 | jelly-home | an3k: does eth0.4 get configured? Do you see any traffic with eg. tcpdump -ni eth0.4? |
| 22:59.27 | jelly-home | an3k: does it not get configured at boot at all? If so, replace "allow-hotplug" with "auto" |
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| 22:59.43 | an3k | jelly-home: can't SSH into. I think thats a problem of this computer (windows) and the switch this pc and the debian are connected to. |
| 23:00.21 | jelly-home | an3k: I'm kinf od assuming you have console access on the debian machine and can test things there. |
| 23:00.28 | an3k | Windows accepts tagged packets but can't send them and because this pc and debian are connected to a unmanaged switch my PC sends untagged packets and debian only accepts tagged ones |
| 23:00.46 | abrotman | kinf od? |
| 23:01.03 | jelly-home | that's what I wrote, yes |
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| 23:02.27 | an3k | can i tell debian that EVERYTHING it receives on ANY NIC is VLAN 4? |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:02.35 | jelly-home | an3k: is the windows machine supposed to be in the same segment? |
| 23:02.39 | an3k | yes |
| 23:02.50 | jelly-home | then connect it to an access port with vlan 4 configured, then |
| 23:03.02 | an3k | i have |
| 23:03.12 | an3k | but debian drops all packages that are not VLAN4 tagged |
| 23:03.20 | jelly-home | you just said it accepts tagges packets |
| 23:03.31 | dimitry7 | abrotman, sorry, here we go: http://paste.debian.net/31083/ |
| 23:03.35 | an3k | debian? yes but windows doesn't send tagged ones |
| 23:03.41 | dimitry7 | abrotman, that script is running good on other servers with python2.6 |
| 23:03.44 | jelly-home | an3k: no, windows. |
| 23:04.17 | an3k | nah, windows never sends tagged ones. It accepts them but doesn't know what to do with the 802.1q part so it just drops that |
| 23:04.22 | abrotman | dimitry7: there's no error there |
| 23:04.32 | jelly-home | an3k: windows sends to access port in vlan 4; the smart switch takes care they get tagged in trunk when going to the debian machine |
| 23:04.44 | an3k | router <-> managed switch <-> unmanaged switch <-> windows pc |
| 23:04.49 | an3k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.04 | an3k | there is a stupid switch between |
| 23:05.19 | jelly-home | an3k: and the port which connected the managed switch on that side should be in access mode, vlan 4 |
| 23:05.28 | dimitry7 | abrotman, exactly, when I try to convert from ODT to PDF, this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/31084/ |
| 23:05.31 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 23:05.35 | an3k | and that may the problem because instead of sending packets from windows to the managed switch (which is aware of all the VLANs) it directly sends it to the debian machine |
| 23:05.42 | Sevet | that's really your problem. everything that side of the managed switch should be untagged, or use a managed switch if you want vlans there too |
| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | an3k: and the port which connectS the managed switch with the stupid switch, on the side of the managed switch should be in access mode, vlan 4 |
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| 23:06.30 | jelly-home | an3k: the unmanaged switch, and the windows machine should not be getting any tagged traffic at all |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | dimitry7: i'd probably reinstsall the python module that does the conversion |
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| 23:07.08 | dimitry7 | abrotman, :-O, what is that one? |
| 23:07.10 | Groupers | Hi, I just installed 7.1 and I can't figure out how to set a static IP via system settings in gnome 3.4 |
| 23:07.38 | Groupers | can someone help me set a static IP via gnome instead of a config file? |
| 23:07.45 | abrotman | dimitry7: FIIK, i'd imagine something related to python and openoffice |
| 23:08.20 | dimitry7 | abrotman, ups... let me check that! |
| 23:08.21 | abrotman | Groupers: is it plugged in? seems like you just go to network settings nad configure it ? |
| 23:08.32 | Groupers | Yeah, I'm talking to you from the PC |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | but it's DHCP now? |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | is hte device currently listed in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:09.28 | Groupers | right it's DHCP. Only one interface on the machine. |
| 23:09.39 | an3k | Groupers: modifying one file and doing a quick reboot is the easiest way |
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| 23:10.24 | Groupers | http://i.imgur.com/zNC4XgD.png |
| 23:10.32 | Groupers | that's on a clean install of 7.1, first boot |
| 23:10.39 | jelly-home | an3k: if you left the port to the unmanaged switch in trunk mode with vlan 4 tagged, that'd be incorrect since nothing on that side can work with tagged traffic |
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| 23:11.13 | an3k | jelly-home: i have some devices connected to the unmanaged switch that need a tag |
| 23:11.18 | jelly-home | an3k: then you're fucked |
| 23:11.39 | Groupers | an3k, what devices do you have that require a VLAN tag to be connected to a network? |
| 23:11.47 | an3k | yes ... and annoyed about the VLAN implementation :) |
| 23:11.56 | an3k | Groupers: NAS |
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| 23:12.10 | jelly-home | an3k: this is a layer 8 error more than anything, it seems to me |
| 23:12.14 | an3k | well, they're more a node than a NAS |
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| 23:12.37 | Groupers | you can't just configure them to not be in a VLAN? |
| 23:13.08 | an3k | Groupers: i could but for what do I have a VLAN then? :) |
| 23:13.17 | jelly-home | ... |
| 23:13.24 | an3k | jelly-home: PEBKAC? |
| 23:13.38 | jelly-home | that windows side, yes |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | Groupers: i asked you if it's in the interfaces file |
| 23:13.45 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I got this list bro: https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=convert&submit=search |
| 23:13.48 | Sevet | an3k: well you'd still have one on all other ports of the managed switch... i don't think you need one one the unmanaged side (if at all) |
| 23:13.55 | dimitry7 | abrotman, which one calls you attention? |
| 23:14.32 | Groupers | abrotman, sorry I missed it. Checking. |
| 23:14.59 | an3k | Sevet: the unmanaged switch is just there so I have enough ports in this room. everything in this room should have VLAN 4 and that way the network is configured. |
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| 23:15.20 | an3k | I couldn't know that debian drops all packets which doesn't have a vlan tag or not a vlan 4 tag |
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| 23:15.27 | abrotman | dimitry7: i have no idea which modules your program needs .. this should be in your documentation |
| 23:15.33 | Groupers | abrotman, I have "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 23:15.37 | Sevet | everything that side of the managed switch should -either- be tagged -or- untagged |
| 23:15.46 | jelly-home | an3k: that is correct behaviour when 802.1q vlan is enabled |
| 23:16.01 | abrotman | Groupers: try commenting that out, reboot, then configure your gnome3 to control the interface (if it fails, uncomment those lines, then reboot again) |
| 23:16.05 | Sevet | not a mixture, since the tagged and untagged are not the same vlan |
| 23:16.22 | an3k | jelly-home: maybe. I used to use the "also accept untagged packets" option :) |
| 23:16.27 | Sevet | allowing otherwise leaks packets between vlans, which defeats their point |
| 23:16.28 | Groupers | abrotman, thanks. i'll try that |
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| 23:16.48 | koollman | an3k: that's how linux work. Also that's how other OSes work. or switches, too. I'm not sure what you used before |
| 23:17.12 | an3k | Sevet: well, for all devices behind the menaged switch they are. The switch adds VLAN4 tags to the packets on all untagged packets received on a port |
| 23:17.29 | jelly-home | an3k: you can do that, if the native (untagged) vlan is some other than 4 you will see that traffic on eth0 |
| 23:17.44 | an3k | jelly-home: tagged and native is set to 4 |
| 23:17.50 | jelly-home | an3k: that's not right |
| 23:18.14 | jelly-home | an3k: can't have the same vlan as native and in the trunk |
| 23:18.34 | an3k | so i should phsyically move devices that are not 802.1q aware to a port which sends untagged packets? |
| 23:18.41 | jelly-home | YES |
| 23:18.45 | pendos_ | Can someone help me figure out why xrandr can't detect my external monitor on my laptop at all? I have an HD intel graphics 4000 graphics card. Thank you! |
| 23:18.53 | an3k | hahahahahaha. who's that idiot who invented that? |
| 23:19.04 | koollman | an3k: that's the whole point of vlans |
| 23:19.16 | jelly-home | an3k: the idiot who tried to avoid a gaping security hole |
| 23:19.28 | Sevet | an3k: if you allow otherwise packets leak between vlans! |
| 23:19.30 | an3k | koollman: the point of vlans is that you can have multiple LANs on the same physical network |
| 23:19.47 | koollman | an3k: yes. multiple separated lans. |
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| 23:19.58 | abrotman | pendos_: we already told you we don't support crunchbang here |
| 23:19.59 | jelly-home | an3k: and have them isolated, both between each other and from the management vlan |
| 23:20.02 | koollman | an3k: if packets jump from one to another, it's just one big lan |
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| 23:20.08 | an3k | jelly-home: why a security hole? hacking a firewall is much easier than getting physical access?! :) |
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| 23:20.53 | an3k | jelly-home: i fully agree if there were different VLANs on the same port (native: 2, tagged: 8) but its the same VLAN |
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| 23:21.33 | koollman | an3k: well. it's a very broken configuration, then |
| 23:21.34 | jelly-home | and it should not be, because there's no deterministic way for a switch to know whether to send traffic tagged or untagged |
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| 23:21.44 | Groupers | abrotman, thanks. Commenting out those lines and then restarting network-manager did the trick |
| 23:21.51 | koollman | my switches reject that kind of thing, fortunately :) |
| 23:21.51 | abrotman | Groupers: enjoy |
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| 23:21.54 | koollman | well, most of them |
| 23:22.15 | an3k | jelly-home: if (taggged_packets) { don't add tag } else { add tag } |
| 23:22.38 | an3k | koollman: my does normally too but because I know windows is stupid I allowed it - just for that port |
| 23:23.19 | dimitry7 | abrotman, The docs say I should use Python-one + openoffice-base.org |
| 23:23.38 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I got them correctly installed from packages, but I need to reinstall the module, which is in the page. |
| 23:23.39 | jelly-home | an3k: traffic arrives for vlan 4. Shall the switch send it tagged or untagged to the port that has vlan 4 set both as native and in the trunk? |
| 23:23.43 | dimitry7 | * the python module |
| 23:23.51 | jelly-home | an3k: and why? |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | okay ... so reinstall those programs on Debian? I really don't know how you setup your system .. it seems to me you have a working system, you should be able to use that for reference? |
| 23:23.59 | an3k | jelly-home: as i configured it. It should send ALL packets tagged |
| 23:24.06 | jelly-home | an3k: why? |
| 23:24.10 | abrotman | dimitry7: next time, documentation .. |
| 23:24.10 | koollman | an3k: wouldn't it be much easier to not tag at all on that port ? just untagged for this vlan ? |
| 23:24.46 | an3k | koollman: then i cannot reach my private NAS |
| 23:25.00 | Sevet | let the managed switch do the tagging for you |
| 23:25.03 | jelly-home | reconfigure the nas? |
| 23:25.08 | Sevet | (or that) |
| 23:25.34 | koollman | an3k: is the nas on the same port ? |
| 23:25.38 | an3k | Sevet: ok, how to turn off tagging on debian? It should accept tagged packets but don't send any |
| 23:25.43 | an3k | no |
| 23:26.29 | jelly-home | an3k: linux doesn't work that way. The two sane things to do is either both send and receive tagged, or send and receive untagged. |
| 23:26.30 | an3k | jelly-home: a) because I configured the switch that way, b) because old devices that understand but cannot handle 802.1q will work without a problem |
| 23:27.06 | jelly-home | an3k: your configuration is silly |
| 23:27.39 | an3k | jelly-home: i prefer a "silly config" to "buying three managed switches) |
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| 23:29.06 | jelly-home | an3k: I'd put all the ports into access mode, except the NAS or wotsit that requires a trunk. You said all the devices are supposed to be on the same segment anyway, so the whole trunking and vlan charade is silly. |
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| 23:29.35 | an3k | not all devices in my network. If so I never would have bought manageable switches :) |
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| 23:30.34 | an3k | i have over 50 devices spread across two buildings and four floors. some devices have to be on VLAN2, some on VLAN3, some on VLAN4 |
| 23:30.42 | jelly-home | or shuffle the ports so that the unmanaged switch connect ONLY trunk-capable device or ONLY vlan incapable ones |
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| 23:31.47 | civillian | you should only connect unmanaged switches to non-trunk ports |
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| 23:32.13 | jelly-home | you can choose whether to make linux a vlan-capable or vlan-incapable device if that's useful |
| 23:33.07 | an3k | civillian: yeah but since the unmanaged switch is 802.1q aware (means it doesn't go fully retarded when it has to handle a tagged packet) i thought it would work that way. |
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| 23:33.39 | jelly-home | an3k: the switch obviously works, but the clients on it can't be mixed |
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| 23:34.49 | an3k | VLAN looks much like "making money" to me. |
| 23:35.24 | an3k | either forget about VLAN or buy a managed switch for every device that cannot send tagged packets ... woohoo :( |
| 23:35.32 | jelly-home | an3k: you could buy a second unmanaged switch like that, and use one for tagged traffic and one for untagged in a single vlan |
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| 23:35.58 | an3k | so as i said "making money" :) |
| 23:36.13 | an3k | thanks for help everybody. I'm going to use a freakin VM |
| 23:36.19 | civillian | an3k: good luck |
| 23:36.29 | jelly-home | VMs are good. |
| 23:37.00 | an3k | I don't like virtual stuff, that's why I disliked the "virtual" VLAN device ;) |
| 23:37.17 | civillian | an3k: you can send a complait to the IEEE |
| 23:37.20 | civillian | complaint* |
| 23:37.22 | an3k | :) |
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| 23:39.37 | jelly-home | vlans are nice as well, as long as you don't have broken equipment or too small a budget to actually implement them <g> |
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| 23:41.07 | an3k | jelly-home: they really are! period! I just don't like that you have to pay more than it costs you to build a normal LAN in the same size |
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| 23:42.54 | jelly-home | an3k: I hate working with any nonmanaged equipment. (I also dislike web-only interfaces like recent cheapest "managed" HP switches have) |
| 23:43.32 | schreber | a number of manufactures are doing that though |
| 23:43.44 | an3k | well, if you only have unmanaged network equipment (except router) it's ok but as soon as one managed devices joins the hood everything is lost :) |
| 23:43.56 | jelly-home | doesn't consider unmanaged setup "normal" |
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| 23:44.31 | an3k | thinks that because 99% of everybody has no VLAN, a LAN without VLAN is considered as normal...kind of |
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| 23:50.09 | dimitry7 | abrotman, :-(. I am new here... I am not blamed at all. And I am not a python programmer :-( |
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| 23:53.15 | abrotman | dimitry7: you can still create documentation |
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