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| 00:00.02 | an3k | haha, that's funny. you can proceed with the install even after saving no password for root but you cannot proceed if you don't create a new user |
| 00:00.17 | an3k | I think it's easier to build that installer from scratch |
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| 00:13.50 | nostromo1 | Question: the last dist-upgrade has broken my graphics. Now all the players crash when I play a video - mplayer, vlc etc... |
| 00:13.58 | nostromo1 | I suspect a faulty graphics library. But how best to troubleshoot this problem please? Debian testing on a netbook with intel graphics. |
| 00:14.01 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes, that's my intention. But for now it will take longer, this has to be solved today. |
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| 00:18.24 | frustrum | . |
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| 00:20.59 | nonconvergent | Anyone know where xscreensaver headers might be at? |
| 00:21.33 | lexo2 | Hey folks, looking to try out pure debian. A few questions in comparison to ubuntu 12.04 how stable is debian 7? Also comparing arch to debian unstable, is there the same amount of work involved in keeping a stable system? |
| 00:21.35 | zinx | nonconvergent: i don't think there's a dev package for it in Debian |
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| 00:27.39 | zykotick9 | lexo2: honestly, if you are "new" to debian, i'd suggest you get your feet wet using "stable" (currently wheezy). once you get the hang of that, then testing/unstable might have packages you want?! i won't bother trying to compare to ubuntu/arch, that's for you to decide. |
| 00:30.42 | lexo2 | zykotick9, with debian if i start with debian 7 stable, and decide after a while i want to mess around with testing or unstable can i just change the repos and upgrade? or will that break a system |
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| 00:32.37 | zykotick9 | lexo2: yes you can transition from stable->testing and "most likely" things won't break... then from testing->sid, and again "most likely" won't break - but running sid, all bets are off ;) ... |
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| 00:33.32 | zykotick9 | lexo2: actually, i'd consider stable->testing the "proper" way to install testing ;) |
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| 00:43.38 | nell | Hey |
| 00:43.44 | nell | I'm trying to kill tmux processes and they won't die |
| 00:43.50 | nell | even killing them 1 by 1 |
| 00:44.00 | an3k | kill -9 ? |
| 00:44.00 | nell | and trying to kill the host process |
| 00:44.10 | nell | that did the trick |
| 00:44.12 | nell | thanks |
| 00:44.15 | an3k | np :) |
| 00:44.37 | nell | If freenode had bitcoin tipping I would buy you a beer right now |
| 00:44.44 | nell | jus saying~ |
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| 00:45.05 | lexo2 | zykotick9, good to know :) i appreciate it. when running testing/sid is there a cache folder that saves all old packages so if a new one comes in and breaks something you can upload the older one? |
| 00:45.08 | an3k | I never thought that he did NOT tried kill -9 ... i just give it a try °_° |
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| 01:00.57 | |thunder | Hey all. I installed debian 7.0.0 from a live dvd on amd64. Now I can't seem to install compiz or awn from the sid repos even though I have the proper sid repo string in the sources.list. I've done this before, but not a liveCD. Should be the same, right ? |
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| 01:04.07 | zykotick9 | |thunder: compiz isn't in wheezy. just sayin'. |
| 01:05.16 | zykotick9 | * add - for a reason... above ;) |
| 01:05.19 | |thunder | i know, which is why i'm trying to install it from sid, WHICH i've successfully down before. Avant windows navigator as well. But it's not working this time and the only difference is that I installed from a live cd innstead of 'graphical install' |
| 01:05.49 | themill | |thunder: (a) don't try mixing stable and unstable. it ends in tears and the end point is you get to reinstall. (b) compiz isn't in sid |
| 01:05.58 | |thunder | that's all politics, f that, i want compiz's expose and zoom on wheezy |
| 01:06.06 | zykotick9 | |thunder: fyi if you have a binary sid repo in your sources list, i'd personally consider your system broken. see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" for details ;) |
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| 01:06.59 | themill | It's not like every other window manager released in the last 5 years doesn't also have those features... |
| 01:07.42 | |thunder | themill, Was it removed from sid in the past few months ? Because i've installed it from sid before AND I can plainly see it in the repos |
| 01:07.57 | themill | yes, and no you can't |
| 01:08.06 | |thunder | lol |
| 01:08.20 | |thunder | i like the cut a yer jib, good sir |
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| 01:11.17 | |thunder | why's everybody gotta hate on compiz? |
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| 01:11.48 | |thunder | and why are all of these packages here ? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/compiz/ |
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| 01:12.43 | themill | |thunder: they're squeeze packages. Compiz has been limping along with no upstream development for years. Last I looked it was only compiling because Debian had a stack of patches to fix it |
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| 01:14.54 | |thunder | dang |
| 01:15.09 | |thunder | thanks themill |
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| 01:15.31 | lexo2 | Just finished installing debian 7, seems to be working :P |
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| 01:17.44 | an3k | this is so funny: If you don't set a password for root at install (standard d-i installer) you completely locked yourself out of the system |
| 01:18.26 | an3k | srsly: stop developing ANY package and fix the fucking installer |
| 01:18.35 | an3k | and i thought the windows installer is crap |
| 01:19.27 | themill | an3k: that's not true |
| 01:19.47 | an3k | locking out? |
| 01:20.12 | an3k | there are two accounts on the machine. root and fuckoff |
| 01:20.20 | themill | If no root password is set, sudo is installed and the user you create at install time is given broad permissions through sudo |
| 01:20.32 | an3k | lemme try |
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| 01:20.44 | themill | This is all detailed in the installer's documentation |
| 01:21.03 | box42 | last console install i did kept hanging, until i just gave up on the console install and did a graphical install |
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| 01:22.11 | rryoumaa | themill: a lot of people need something exactly like compiz's zoom for accessibility reasons. as far as i know other window managers don't have that feature, and separately-packaged zoomers do not work the same way. imo this is a critical omission. so if you know of something anywhere in wheezy that zooms exactly the same way, can you please tell me? it's critical. |
| 01:22.22 | box42 | think it was on partitioning the hds, been a while |
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| 01:22.29 | an3k | themill: you're right. I'm not locked out. But why the fuck do I have to read a docu for a INSTALLER? |
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| 01:22.56 | themill | an3k: how about reading documentation rather than shouting and swearing. |
| 01:23.12 | rryoumaa | (maybe gnome has that feature, i don't know, but no window managers or anything else lightweight) |
| 01:23.15 | themill | rryoumaa: I believe kwin does this |
| 01:23.45 | rryoumaa | themill: and it works the same way as compiz's zoom feature and can be run as a separate window manager without the rest of kde? |
| 01:24.15 | themill | I believe so. Can't say I've ever tried. |
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| 01:24.51 | rryoumaa | so you can hold down control and use mouse wheel, and it will zoom, and you can still move around and use the mouse and keyboard? |
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| 01:26.35 | Tramp | I wonder how many things are destroyed each year out of the box by people thinking "Why the fsck do I have to read a manual for <this thing>" |
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| 01:27.00 | rryoumaa | (of course imo zooming should be a separate feature so you can mix and match with window managers) |
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| 01:29.25 | kabamaro | log-server:/var# apache2 |
| 01:29.25 | kabamaro | apache2: Segmentation fault |
| 01:29.26 | kabamaro | any help? |
| 01:29.39 | kabamaro | anything i install through apt-get |
| 01:29.40 | kabamaro | is like this |
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| 01:36.09 | jhile | hey guys first time running debian, what is the "proper" way to update? through the GUI, apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:37.13 | dvs | jhile: Update what? Packages or debian version? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | jhile: which version of Debian? |
| 01:37.31 | jhile | packages, and i am currently running debian 7 stable |
| 01:37.52 | dvs | jhile: aptitude update then aptitude upgrade |
| 01:38.11 | jhile | aptitude is different than apt-get ? |
| 01:38.24 | dvs | jhile: most in conflict resolution |
| 01:38.29 | |thunder | both are fine |
| 01:38.59 | jhile | thank you |
| 01:39.26 | |thunder | jhile, dist-upgrade is different though |
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| 01:39.38 | jhile | what does that do upgrade kernels and such as well? |
| 01:39.52 | |thunder | yes |
| 01:39.54 | dvs | jhile: yes. |
| 01:39.58 | jhile | okay cool |
| 01:40.11 | jhile | never really got down and dirty with debian based distros since i really only used ubutnu for that |
| 01:41.25 | jhile | seems to run on par with arch as far as resources goes 350mb is pretty darn good |
| 01:41.54 | dvs | must not have any DE |
| 01:42.09 | jhile | yeah using gnome 3 surprisingly |
| 01:42.15 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:42.48 | jhile | right now running upgrade and xchat using 488mb |
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| 01:43.46 | |thunder | weird, mines 1.2 GB |
| 01:43.53 | jhile | only 4gb ram total |
| 01:43.58 | jhile | and its a fresh install too |
| 01:44.07 | dvs | 4GB is PLENTY! |
| 01:44.16 | Diranged | Hey I have a single debian package source that creates 3 debian binary packages. FOr the 3rd package, I would like to have an additional build step in the debian/rules file. Can anyone help me with the syntax for that? |
| 01:44.16 | jhile | i was figuring maybe he had 8 and thats why it was using more |
| 01:44.32 | |thunder | mine is fresh too, all i've installed is the nvidia driver and chromium |
| 01:44.45 | jhile | hmm have to install nvidia myself still |
| 01:45.06 | jhile | is there a reason debian does not use firefox but replaces with iceweasel |
| 01:45.07 | themill | Diranged: #d-mentors where you were was the right place to ask |
| 01:45.39 | Diranged | themill: i haven't had much luck there.. :/ |
| 01:45.44 | themill | Diranged: try asking again but be a bit more verbose. Show your d/rules. I don't think anyone knows what you're asking |
| 01:45.50 | dvs | jhile: If Debian used firefox, it would HAVE to use the latest version all the time. |
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| 01:46.25 | jhile | dvs, ah makes since and im sure its a pain as theres a new one every couple weeks lol |
| 01:46.28 | jhile | sense |
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| 01:47.04 | themill | Diranged: or rather, I think the answers you got were to a different question. Which amounts to the same thing for you, really. |
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| 01:47.59 | |thunder | jhile, i used this simple method for the nvidia driver. but it's leaves you to your own devices as far as xorg.conf config. I installed nvidia-xconfig and ran that as root, then all was installed peoperly |
| 01:48.26 | jhile | |thunder, could you please send a link for the tutorial? |
| 01:48.42 | jhile | heres a picture of how little resources my debian is using, its almost impossibly low http://postimg.org/image/ypu1fiq57/ |
| 01:49.10 | |thunder | lol, sorry jhile : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 01:49.15 | jhile | |thunder, thanks |
| 01:49.18 | |thunder | np |
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| 01:54.42 | Coburn | Question |
| 01:54.50 | Coburn | Is it possible to update Xorg to the latest version? |
| 01:54.53 | Coburn | As far as I know |
| 01:55.07 | Coburn | Debian ships with version 7.12. There is an updated one called 7.13 |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | update from what to what, using which version of Debian? |
| 01:55.18 | Coburn | Wheezy 7.1 |
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| 01:55.43 | Coburn | *buntu uses 7.13 as far as I know for Xorg. Could be wrong. |
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| 01:57.12 | Coburn | wait... |
| 01:57.28 | Coburn | I stand corrected; it seems that Ubuntu uses an older one than Debian... |
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| 01:57.46 | Coburn | Debian Package: xorg (1:7.7+3~deb7u1) VS Ubuntu Package: xorg (1:7.7+1ubuntu4) |
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| 01:59.54 | jhile | |thunder, thanks man, nvidia working perfect that was easy =D |
| 02:01.31 | jhile | it seems using nvidia drivers has different font rendering? or i could be worng |
| 02:01.32 | jhile | wrong |
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| 02:03.20 | jhile | the only problem i am noticing and its for both chromium and icewesel, when i watch a youtube video and change the resolution, the video doesn't play anyone know why? |
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| 02:09.25 | jhile | never simple flash install |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | which flash are you using, how did you installl it? |
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| 02:10.38 | jhile | typo, it WAS a simple flash install lol |
| 02:10.50 | jhile | i was using the default debian flash which wasn't working too well |
| 02:12.39 | jhile | question im not too good with networking, when i go to my router and it says theres no ipv6 ip address, that must mean my cable provider does not have ipv6 correct? |
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| 02:13.22 | jhile | im only asking because i noticed my internet is running a little sluggish and it appears that ipv6 is enabled on debian |
| 02:13.41 | micros | hello. I am trying to create a bash script to relaunch a process when it exists. However, it doesnt seem to work. Any recommendations on how best to accomplish this goal? I have a server that I want to run after the system boots, and if it fails, for any reason, restart it. |
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| 02:15.42 | abrotman | when it exists? |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | micros: perhaps you'd like to look at the 'runit' package |
| 02:17.43 | themill | or daemontools or systemd |
| 02:18.08 | micros | hmm |
| 02:18.32 | micros | thank you. i will google them. currently i was trying back with an until do loop. i am also looking into inittab respawn |
| 02:18.34 | themill | or even just "while :; do mything; done |
| 02:19.41 | micros | i think i may have the syntax wrong... not sure |
| 02:20.24 | micros | until ./home/user/process /home/user/process/arg.txt &2>log.txt; do sleep 1 done |
| 02:20.26 | micros | something like that |
| 02:20.37 | micros | no first . |
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| 02:22.30 | abrotman | micros: either use 'runit', or ask #bash |
| 02:23.04 | micros | ok, thanks. ill look into that |
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| 02:25.21 | micros | anyont know how to use inittab? |
| 02:25.28 | haole | is there a sane way to get debugging symbols for libtool/libltdl? |
| 02:26.33 | abrotman | micros: we already covered this, if you don't want to do something sensible, try google |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | you've been given multiple answers that are far better than the crap you're thinking you should do |
| 02:27.05 | micros | i am googling it as well.. thought I would follow through on each option. is inittab unreasonable? |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | if you can't figure it out on your own, probably |
| 02:28.01 | micros | well, i am sure i CAN figure it out. im pretty resourceful. but i am not a linux guru, so i came to ask the experts... for what reason is inittab an inferior solution? i only know of it because of google search. thanks |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | then go figure it out, actually learn something instead of getting spoonfed |
| 02:28.39 | themill | micros: if it's tied to init then you have no way of killing it should something go wrong and you need to do so |
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| 02:28.57 | cthuluh | micros: inittab isn't unreasonable; but as abroatman advised, runit provides a much more flexible interface (it also comes with a very useful chpst helper) |
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| 02:29.05 | harovali | hi, some time ago I sued to use google-desktop to find random file's contents. Now not only it's outdated, but also impossible to get running. Apart from 'find', is there any GUI toolI can give to my girlfriend that lets her find any document she likes in her computer home directory ? |
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| 02:29.20 | abrotman | harovali: which DE? |
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| 02:29.43 | harovali | abrotman: gnome |
| 02:29.43 | micros | understood. thanks for the clarification. that type of insight isnt as easy to filter through on google. |
| 02:29.51 | harovali | abrotman: or xfce4 |
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| 02:30.32 | abrotman | harovali: something like catfish perhaps |
| 02:30.54 | themill | ,i gnome-search-tool |
| 02:30.55 | judd | Package gnome-search-tool (gnome, optional) in wheezy/i386: GNOME tool to search files. Version: 3.4.0-2+b1; Size: 608.7k; Installed: 4502k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeUtils; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-search-tool |
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| 02:32.22 | abrotman | or that |
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| 02:33.22 | jhile | is /var/cache/apt/archives all the packages that were updated? |
| 02:33.39 | abrotman | it's just a cache of packages that were downloaded |
| 02:34.14 | jhile | is there a way to check if they were installed? i really cant remember if i upgraded the packages or not |
| 02:34.48 | abrotman | check the version of the package installed, dpkg -l foo |
| 02:34.56 | jhile | thanks |
| 02:36.04 | tnguyen | n |
| 02:36.45 | jhile | sure looks like they were updated, guess my short term memory is gone lol |
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| 03:00.21 | linu | who here was using gentoo? |
| 03:00.35 | dvs | not much |
| 03:00.48 | linu | yeah |
| 03:00.59 | linu | someone suggested gentoo for recent packages, to get nvidia-optimus gaming working |
| 03:01.07 | linu | as its a "rolling" distro |
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| 03:22.31 | codepython777 | I've a debian box with many files duplicated amongst users. Any easy ways that debian can easily reuse this wasted space? |
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| 03:24.00 | jiohdi | symlinks? |
| 03:24.23 | codepython777 | jiohdi: my current fs is ext4 , how can i move it to zfs? |
| 03:24.39 | jiohdi | I know nothing about zfs, sorry |
| 03:26.01 | codepython777 | jiohdi: how does one change the FS from ext4 to anything else? |
| 03:26.14 | jiohdi | re-partition |
| 03:26.22 | jiohdi | gparted |
| 03:26.26 | rryoumaa | codepython777: hard links too |
| 03:27.12 | codepython777 | rryoumaa: is there a script that does that as root - maintains all user / group /read /write /permissions data |
| 03:27.39 | rryoumaa | how do you want them maintained? |
| 03:27.47 | rryoumaa | you can write your own script |
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| 03:28.25 | rryoumaa | if the duplicates have different metadata, you might not be able to do what you want to do without zfs or something |
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| 03:28.51 | rryoumaa | (dunno if that does deduplication, but whatever does) |
| 03:29.21 | jiohdi | you cannot spread one copy to all users with different permissions |
| 03:29.31 | rryoumaa | right |
| 03:29.44 | rryoumaa | but you can have them use unix groups |
| 03:30.06 | codepython777 | I think i need a FS solution |
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| 03:30.16 | jiohdi | they would have to be read only otherwise any user can alter them |
| 03:30.24 | codepython777 | does ZFS come with debian so that i can use it when i install the box? |
| 03:30.24 | HiddenDjinn | how would i go about getting cedarview working properly on wheezy? |
| 03:30.45 | HiddenDjinn | also, tap to click in X(not gnome or kde)? |
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| 03:31.29 | jiohdi | HiddenDjinn: google: cedarview for deiban |
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| 03:39.26 | elkingrey | I've decided to uncomment out the several lines of my root user's .bashrc. Can somebody give me a good reason not to? Why does the root user not get color by default? Is it a safety mechanism? |
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| 03:44.20 | lunchdump | If my locale is set to en_US.UTF-8 for all options (LC_ALL, LANG, etc...) yet urxvt is still not showing accented characters, what other things should I check? |
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| 03:45.51 | themill | lunchdump: have you changed locales since starting urxvt? Does the font you're using have the necessary glyphs? |
| 03:45.53 | HiddenDjinn | jiohdi: i've been looking and don't see this one...how do i tell apt to install the kernel from backports? |
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| 03:46.43 | themill | !bpo kernel |
| 03:46.43 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 03:47.54 | lunchdump | themill: No, I've restarted X and even went to runlevel 1 and back. and it does have unicode glyphs |
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| 03:50.12 | themill | lunchdump: are you sure that the characters you're looking at are actually UTF-8 and not ISO8859-1 or similar? |
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| 04:03.59 | jiohdi | what corrects a segmentation fault? |
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| 04:07.05 | rjsalts | jiohdi: writing code that doesn't access memory that it's not allowed to |
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| 04:09.15 | rjsalts | jiohdi: it's most likely a bug, if it's not then it's hardware failure |
| 04:10.20 | rjsalts | jiohdi: but if it was hardware failure you'd be seeing lots of strange things going on, not just a segfault in one particular program |
| 04:10.24 | jiohdi | I tried to run huludesktop and got segmentation fault |
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| 04:11.13 | cafuego | jiohdi: You can correct a segfault by fixing the code that causes it. |
| 04:11.40 | themill | or by writing your code in a language that doesn't require you to fiddle about with memory management |
| 04:11.45 | cafuego | Alternatively, by using the correct library version and making sure neither ram nor cpu are broken. |
| 04:12.07 | cafuego | themill: That wouldn't stop the interpreter from segfaulting |
| 04:12.23 | jiohdi | the instructions say to use apt-get -f install after instillation and nothing came up missing |
| 04:13.09 | rjsalts | jiohdi: your best bet is to grab the core file and report the bug to the people who make huludesktop |
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| 04:17.54 | ixanis | Hey all. does anyone know a good method for installing debian 7 and end up with no GUI? (short of doing a normal installation and removing gnome and its deps) |
| 04:18.21 | rjsalts | ixanis: don't select any of the tasks for desktop system |
| 04:18.45 | ixanis | ahhhh, good call, thanks! |
| 04:19.45 | sergiodj | yo. I'm running wheezy but I want to install jabberd2. hypothetically, would it be a crime if I install the sid package? |
| 04:19.58 | sergiodj | IOW, what would be the best/recommended way to do that? :) |
| 04:21.05 | rjsalts | sergiodj: the sid package might work, but no guarantees. The best way is to take the source package and build it yourself |
| 04:21.17 | sergiodj | rjsalts: fair enough... |
| 04:21.27 | linu | is jessie to be released in about 2 years ? |
| 04:21.52 | sergiodj | rjsalts: thanks a lot |
| 04:22.31 | themill | linu: no one has even started planning that |
| 04:23.10 | rjsalts | sergiodj: so just add deb-src http://... unstable main to apt.sources; apt-get source jabberd2; cd jabberd2-...;dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
| 04:23.51 | linu | themill: lol true, wheezy just came out |
| 04:23.52 | sergiodj | rjsalts: wow, nice, thanks, I was just looking for instructions on how to do that :) |
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| 04:46.03 | jhile | question about the way debian works, will debian stable ever get gnome upgrades? such as 3.6 or 3.8 or will i need to switch to testing for that |
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| 04:51.53 | somiaj | jhile: no, debian stable is frozen. Backports of some software is made, but gnome is a large project and not sure if it will be backported (it wasn't backported for the last stable) |
| 04:52.33 | somiaj | jhile: but for the most part except for bug, securty fixes debian stable versions are frozen. (the bug/security fixes are actually backported to the version in debian) |
| 04:53.27 | jhile | somiaj, thank you for that information, so is testing the same way ? |
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| 04:54.18 | somiaj | jhile: no testing is constantly getting new packages from sid as things upgrade. Because of this it can be buggy |
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| 04:54.50 | somiaj | about a year before testing becomes stable, testing will freeze and will stop getting new versions of packages and all release-critical bugs are fixed. |
| 04:55.07 | jhile | somiaj, buggy compared to debian stable but probably still less than most other main distros ? |
| 04:55.40 | somiaj | I would say more so than other distros |
| 04:56.15 | somiaj | packages sometimes migrate into testing that break tons of things. It has differnet issues than sid (unstable), but I personally prefer sid over testing in a case I don't want stable |
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| 04:57.14 | jhile | somiaj, hmm interesting, for just home pc use is unstable fairly good to use? |
| 04:57.18 | somiaj | but other distros do fix bugs and have a bit more quality control testing on packages than debian testing. Packages drop into testing after about 10 days with no major bugs in sid. But large projects sometimes drop tons of packages at once that conflict with other packages causing testings own set of bugs. Also testing doens't recive fixes as fast as sid |
| 04:57.19 | themill | gets somiaj to install a perl-related package today |
| 04:58.08 | somiaj | jhile: I use unstable on my desktop but stable on my laptop. Only use unstable (or testing) if you are prepared to fix things when it breaks. And it iwll break, (: |
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| 04:58.49 | jhile | somiaj, is it fairly simple to fix? if you know which package broke is there a place to download the old package and install? |
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| 05:01.25 | somiaj | jhile: depends, I have had my machine not have Xorg for a few days while waiting for a fix |
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| 05:01.53 | somiaj | jhile: but if you know debian well, in many cases you can fix it (by downgrading to the older version that worked)..but some breaks are crippling |
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| 05:02.51 | jhile | somiaj, i dont know debian well at all yet, ive only used spinoffs of debian and ive played around with arch for a month or two but never came across something that destroyed the system beyond repair |
| 05:04.57 | linu | man i might have to use linux mint not debian :( |
| 05:04.59 | linu | at least its not ubuntu |
| 05:05.02 | linu | i would never use ubuntu |
| 05:05.03 | somiaj | then use stable + backports until you get use to apt/dpkg some more. Then if you want a more exciting life, and enjoy fixing broken things, you can upgrade that system to either tetsting or ounstable |
| 05:05.40 | jhile | somiaj, going to have to look into backports now |
| 05:05.43 | linu | apt-get --purge ? |
| 05:05.48 | linu | if everything was only installed with apt |
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| 05:05.56 | linu | you can purge what particular packages did right ? |
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| 05:06.48 | somiaj | linu: apt-get --purge remove (but I belive apt-get purge foo works now) |
| 05:06.54 | linu | k |
| 05:07.03 | somiaj | it will work on any packages installed in the dpkg database |
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| 05:07.11 | somiaj | could be insatlled with dpkg/aptitude or even synaptic. |
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| 05:21.50 | kanliot | hi i'm trying to setup a debian server at home, the network interface seems to "go down" when i unplug. but doesn't come "up" until i do an ifdown eth2; ifup eth2.... how can i make it auto work if i plug in net cable? |
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| 05:25.05 | sergiodj | rjsalts: well, as it turns out it is not practical to build my own jabberd2 on wheezy. it requires some sensitive packages to be upgraded, so I decided not to continue with it... |
| 05:25.27 | sergiodj | I will probably just use ejabberd for now, this seems to be the best option so far |
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| 05:49.53 | GinT | i'm installing python3.3.2 ,,, ./configure; make; make test ,it show errors : test test_urllib2net failed |
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| 05:50.34 | GinT | how to get in 'CentOS' room |
| 05:50.42 | musca | kanliot: please post your /etc/network/interfaces on http://paste.debian.net (remove passphrases, if any) |
| 05:50.49 | musca | !centos |
| 05:50.50 | dpkg | CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:50.54 | GinT | ok |
| 05:51.47 | GinT | Cannot join #centos: Registration is required. |
| 05:51.47 | GinT | Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
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| 05:53.03 | C00re | register your nickname |
| 05:53.07 | musca | GinT: /msg nickserv help register (do that on freenode) |
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| 05:55.30 | kanliot | http://paste.debian.net/31198/ |
| 05:55.30 | kanliot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.04 | GinT | http://paste.debian.net/31200/ here is the errors info ,thanks alot |
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| 06:00.01 | musca | kanliot: do eth0 and eth2 behave differently? eth0 has the allow-hotplug option, eth2 has the auto option |
| 06:00.35 | kanliot | i donno. i haven't been unplugging eth0 |
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| 06:08.32 | Cmptr | Hello |
| 06:08.40 | Cmptr | I can not open the display on a new kernel |
| 06:09.53 | Cmptr | What must I change to allow this? |
| 06:11.16 | GinT | can someone help me with python errors http://paste.debian.net/31200/ ,thanks alot |
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| 06:12.04 | Cmptr | Please help. |
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| 06:14.26 | musca | hi Cmptr, no X anymore? |
| 06:14.45 | Cmptr | only on another kernel |
| 06:15.03 | Cmptr | i am switching to pae and xinit wont let me in. |
| 06:15.08 | musca | you installed a proprietary driver. |
| 06:15.24 | Cmptr | yes and i also deleted the blacklist that it created |
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| 06:16.35 | Cmptr | musca: I tried to install the nvidia driver as I have done many times and it failed to build and left me with a broken xserver |
| 06:16.47 | Cmptr | i missed the directory that it modified |
| 06:17.41 | musca | nvidia was very late with a release for the 3.10 kernel. debian is just too fast. |
| 06:18.00 | Cmptr | Oh, this makes more sense. |
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| 06:18.25 | musca | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 06:18.26 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 304.88-6; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 06:18.28 | Cmptr | i am in tty and links2 is a pita for searching |
| 06:18.47 | musca | np |
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| 06:19.41 | musca | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:19.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.88-6; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 06:20.01 | Cmptr | this is wheezy |
| 06:20.43 | musca | yes. but no recent nvidia in wheezy or wheezy-backports |
| 06:21.07 | Cmptr | yes. i used the one from the site |
| 06:21.29 | Cmptr | it always worked until now ?>? |
| 06:21.53 | musca | so which version did you install? |
| 06:22.03 | Cmptr | one second |
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| 06:22.38 | Cmptr | x86-319.17 |
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| 06:23.36 | musca | Cmptr: that one is too old. 304.108 is about three weeks old and supports 3.10 |
| 06:24.08 | musca | 319.49 is available, too. and so is 325.15 |
| 06:24.25 | Cmptr | so, it's in the repos? i would like to go back to nouveau for the time being but i dont know how |
| 06:24.44 | Cmptr | musca: I know what I did wrong then. |
| 06:25.05 | Cmptr | I chose the verified drivers |
| 06:25.14 | Cmptr | instead of the newest |
| 06:25.25 | musca | good. remove nvidia from your xorg.conf and remove the blacklist, and see what happens |
| 06:25.39 | Cmptr | ok. one moment |
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| 06:26.18 | rule | I followed the iOS/debian wiki guide and I can see my iPod, and copy music to it via rhythmbox. |
| 06:26.30 | rule | I can even see the music I copy to the ipod, and play it in rhythmbox off the iPod. |
| 06:26.46 | rule | However, when I unplug it, I do not see the music on the iPod.. even if I restart it. What have I done wrong? |
| 06:27.02 | rule | I feel like I have come so far, and accomplished so much, only to be kicked in the final moments :( |
| 06:28.21 | Cmptr | I can't get to it, musca |
| 06:29.33 | musca | hmm. what does hinder you? |
| 06:29.54 | Cmptr | it's under /usr/lib right? |
| 06:30.03 | musca | no |
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| 06:30.11 | Cmptr | well there's what hinders me |
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| 06:30.45 | Cmptr | I don't know where it is |
| 06:30.51 | musca | Cmptr: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 06:31.04 | Cmptr | thank you. looking... |
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| 06:34.31 | musca | Cmptr: there should be a section "device" with the option: driver "nvidia" |
| 06:34.44 | bullgard4 | '~$ uname -v' prints the »kernel version«: "#1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1". What has "#1" to do with »kernel version«? |
| 06:34.58 | musca | just comment out the whole section by prepending # |
| 06:35.21 | Cmptr | musca: i see it |
| 06:35.30 | Cmptr | i also see xorg config original nvidia |
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| 06:35.46 | Cmptr | oh. musca i put nouveau in instead |
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| 06:36.42 | musca | Cmptr: not needed, it will be auto configured. |
| 06:36.48 | Cmptr | alright |
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| 06:36.53 | Cmptr | well, will i need a restart? |
| 06:37.11 | musca | if possible? |
| 06:37.15 | Cmptr | sure |
| 06:37.17 | musca | ok |
| 06:37.26 | Cmptr | i might be back and i appreciate it very much. thank you |
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| 06:37.35 | musca | yw |
| 06:37.41 | Cmptr | i will come back to confirm that it worked brb |
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| 06:39.32 | Cmptr | I'm in X ! |
| 06:39.37 | Cmptr | musca: again, big thanks |
| 06:39.51 | musca | np :) |
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| 06:40.06 | Cmptr | o/ |
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| 06:58.33 | sett | hi, i need help. i've shared a folder with samba and there's a symlink to an a ntfs partition in the folder. but remote system can't acces it due to rights. how to i set them? |
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| 07:18.13 | adh0c | alright - this is really stupid, but i have a for loop running as a background process that's gone rogue and i can't kill. |
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| 07:18.41 | adh0c | i thought it would only run ten times, but it keeps iterating with a different PID and I can't stop it from the original shell. |
| 07:18.59 | adh0c | its also hogging a whole CPU at the moment. |
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| 07:19.52 | jelly-home | adh0c: kill all the children of the original shell |
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| 07:19.59 | jelly-home | pkill is your friend |
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| 07:20.23 | jelly-home | adh0c: or kill the shell itself |
| 07:21.19 | JasonWoof | I'm working on setting up HTTPS, (and then I'll get some other programs to use the same key/cert). Should I use this key: /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key or should I generate another? |
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| 07:22.19 | adh0c | jelly-home: its still going. |
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| 07:22.41 | adh0c | it was started from a screen and was run with an ampersand, so it seems to have detached itself. |
| 07:23.14 | jelly-home | adh0c: you can always kill all the processes for that user |
| 07:23.37 | jelly-home | (if you can't figure out the parent pid spawning the kids) |
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| 07:28.13 | adh0c | jelly-home: no luck - this is a remote shell, and i've tried to killall -9 it by both the user name and the program name. |
| 07:28.35 | jelly-home | did I say killall? I thought I mentioned pkill. |
| 07:29.12 | jelly-home | adh0c: the canonical way to kill all of your own processes is kill -9 -1 |
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| 07:30.14 | jelly-home | pkill was mentioned as a way to terminate all the processes with a specific parent |
| 07:30.15 | adh0c | And that did it. |
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| 07:30.52 | adh0c | yeah, i think the parent left the kids behind. |
| 07:30.59 | jelly-home | adh0c: read about -1 in man kill |
| 07:31.10 | adh0c | yeah looking at that now. |
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| 07:31.41 | adh0c | Thats very nifty. |
| 07:31.53 | adh0c | If run as root it will kill everything save for init. |
| 07:32.19 | adh0c | As a normal user, everything but the kill process itself. |
| 07:32.31 | jelly-home | yes, you probably don't want to run it as root |
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| 07:32.43 | adh0c | A crude way to return to single-user mode. |
| 07:32.53 | themill | it's fun |
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| 07:34.57 | adh0c | thanks for the pointer! |
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| 07:49.07 | cousin_luigi | Good morning. |
| 07:49.34 | cousin_luigi | How would you perform an integrity check of the system files? |
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| 07:50.30 | gnude | cousin_luigi: which file system? |
| 07:50.43 | gnude | cousin_luigi: ext3, ext4, reiserfs, jfs, xfs ??? |
| 07:50.56 | cousin_luigi | gnude: ext2 |
| 07:51.35 | cousin_luigi | gnude: I upgraded to wheezy and a package stopped working properly. I wonder if a dependent library could be the culprit because I also noticed fs corruption. |
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| 07:52.24 | jelly-home | cousin_luigi: debsums, but unfortunately not all the packages come with checksums for their files |
| 07:52.56 | jelly-home | also, it won't help with config files for obvious reasons |
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| 07:53.12 | gnude | cousin_luigi: sorry. i read filesystem, but you wrote system files |
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| 08:17.10 | oznt | hi everyone: does someone here knows how does the 'similar packages' mechanism in debian www packages search works? |
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| 08:27.15 | Iridos | "similar packages"? |
| 08:28.53 | oznt | Iridos, when you search for packages online: look in the right you will see a list of similar packages |
| 08:29.12 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | oznt: comparing tags, maybe? |
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| 08:30.28 | Iridos | actually I don't :) that's why I asked (e.g. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inkscape ) |
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| 08:31.56 | oznt | w1ck3dg0ph3r, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=artha gives really weird suggestions |
| 08:32.01 | oznt | so I am just wondering |
| 08:32.20 | oznt | can anyone improve these tags? |
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| 08:33.12 | oznt | found this resource https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags/FAQ#What_is_Debtags.3F |
| 08:33.24 | Iridos | hm, I don't get any such suggestions on your link... |
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| 08:34.34 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | oznt: well, artha and msort have identical set of tags, so... |
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| 08:35.24 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | oznt: my guess would be, that only package maintainer could change that, not sure though |
| 08:35.49 | oznt | w1ck3dg0ph3r, but launchy in the result does not ... |
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| 08:36.01 | oznt | so these suggestions could be somehow better |
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| 08:36.48 | oznt | I just wish there was some 'better' way to search packages ('better' - is not really a concrete idea) |
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| 08:37.28 | ezra-s | oznt, apt-cache search is not good enough? |
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| 08:37.58 | oznt | ezra-s, as good as the websearch i guess |
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| 08:38.11 | gnarface | oznt: there is, its called aptitude. i don't like it myself because i was fine with apt-get/apt-cache |
| 08:38.16 | gnarface | oznt: but you should give it a try |
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| 08:38.33 | ezra-s | oznt, web search is quite good, any more things you need? |
| 08:38.44 | Iridos | apt-get searching is better than aptitude... at least more intuitive using multiple keywords |
| 08:38.51 | oznt | ezra-s, 'apt-cache search artha' results: artha and wesnot, so it is actually worse ... |
| 08:39.18 | gnarface | oznt: the part you're missing out on is that apt-cache search can take a regex pattern |
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| 08:39.55 | ezra-s | oznt, it's a fuzzy search, some people don't know exactly what they are looking for |
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| 08:40.03 | ezra-s | oznt, what is it you want to do anyways? |
| 08:40.15 | oznt | ezra-s, look for packages |
| 08:40.34 | oznt | gnarface, although I know regex, I don't consider it user friendly |
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| 08:40.41 | ezra-s | oznt, apt-cache search does fine if you need to filter use | grep afterwards, not hard... |
| 08:40.48 | Iridos | oznt, and breathe and eat and mate, right?... i mean... you couldn't have been more concrete, could you? |
| 08:41.01 | gnarface | thinks what oznt really wants is to blame someone else for his inability to read instructions |
| 08:41.09 | Iridos | anyway... it helps if you know what they do and can use them... |
| 08:41.10 | oznt | ezra-s, that is also not user friendly |
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| 08:41.29 | ezra-s | oznt, you mean desktop user friendly? |
| 08:41.33 | Kingsy | anyone know where I can download the virtualbox extension pack? |
| 08:41.38 | oznt | Iridos, I am not looking to blame anyone, I am just trying to learn and to explore |
| 08:41.41 | oznt | ezra-s, yep |
| 08:41.48 | Kingsy | I got the official one from the website but there is an error on install |
| 08:41.53 | ezra-s | oznt, have you tried synaptic? |
| 08:41.55 | oznt | desktop users also don't come here very often |
| 08:41.57 | Kingsy | so i am thinking I might need something different on debian |
| 08:42.02 | oznt | ezra-s, yes I know about synaptic |
| 08:42.12 | ezra-s | oznt, need something more user friendly than synaptic then? |
| 08:43.22 | oznt | ezra-s, personally I don't need anything more user friendly. I can do fine with regex and aptitude |
| 08:43.41 | oznt | I was just trying to see how does www search for packages works |
| 08:43.45 | Iridos | oznt, well, anyone can edit tags http://debtags.debian.net/edit/artha https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags/EditorHelp |
| 08:44.03 | oznt | Iridos, yep I saw that, may I should start editing tags |
| 08:44.03 | ezra-s | oznt, yes, I don't doubt that, but I guessed you are worrying about user-friendly for someone else or something |
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| 08:44.41 | ezra-s | oznt, I think web search is not fuzzy search, just strict name search |
| 08:44.49 | ezra-s | someone correct me If I'm wrong |
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| 08:46.31 | ezra-s | oznt, man page says you can use apt-cache search --names-only to be strict with names, otherwise apt-cache search searches in description too |
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| 08:46.43 | ezra-s | there are a few options that might suit you, check the man page |
| 08:46.50 | ezra-s | if you haven't already that is |
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| 08:48.01 | gnarface | i think apt-cache searches all the package headers, doesn' tit? |
| 08:48.12 | gnarface | or at least more of the headers than just name and description, i thought |
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| 08:48.30 | gnarface | i guess i could be wrong about that |
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| 08:48.51 | gnarface | usually when i'm searching for packages i already know what their names are or i come in here and demand information :-/ |
| 08:48.53 | ezra-s | "It searches the package names and the |
| 08:48.54 | ezra-s | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.58 | ezra-s | wops, sorry |
| 08:49.29 | oznt | i can't quickly find how to edit tags. Do I need to log in with my debian wiki password? |
| 08:49.58 | Iridos | oznt, it's in the 2nd link I gave you... or you can click "Help" on that page yourself :P |
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| 08:50.12 | Iridos | them links you said you already saw |
| 08:50.30 | ezra-s | chuckles |
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| 08:52.58 | halcon | Is someone using wheezy: exim4+mailman? |
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| 08:54.22 | gnarface | halcon: yes. you can see how many here: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 08:54.32 | gnarface | halcon: i'm guessing that wasn't your actual question though. |
| 08:55.14 | Iridos | I think you must be wrong |
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| 08:55.38 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone using wheezy: exim4+mailman |
| 08:55.38 | dpkg | No, no one uses wheezy: exim4+mailman, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:55.40 | Iridos | see |
| 08:55.59 | halcon | my question is: what are the real steps to install it correctly? i did an installation and can not send/recive mail. |
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| 08:56.36 | swi | Hello. Maybe someone can give me advise. Sometimes i'm writing articles, with pictures, then send them to client, he send me some rectifications, i apply them and send him a new version of article. I was wounder, what tool we can use for automate this 'writing/diff/apply' process ? |
| 08:56.46 | gnarface | halcon: first make sure exim is working alone for sending/receiving mail. by default it installs with local mail handling only. |
| 08:57.28 | halcon | exim4 is working with a global dokuwiki. |
| 08:57.47 | gnarface | try checking in /usr/share/doc/mailman |
| 08:57.56 | gnarface | there should be debian-specific setup info in there |
| 08:58.20 | gnarface | my guess is your problem is actually with mailman&apache, but i'm taking your statement that exim4 is working purely at face value. |
| 08:58.46 | halcon | i have read many documents, i began with docs, there is no man for mailman! |
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| 08:59.04 | gnarface | you read whats in /usr/share/doc/mailman?? |
| 08:59.32 | halcon | what do you mean with "face value"? |
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| 09:00.18 | Iridos | swi, a wiki? depends what format your article needs... there's google docs, which probably works well... if you don't want google to have the document... there's etherpad-like things, but that probably won't work as well (and I'm not sure about pictures in that, but let me check) |
| 09:00.53 | gnarface | halcon: lets not get distracted by mincing words. tell me what documentation you read for your mailman setup |
| 09:01.11 | halcon | the error: R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router |
| 09:01.40 | gnarface | pushes the eject button |
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| 09:03.35 | halcon | all the docs in /usr/share/doc/mailma |
| 09:04.01 | halcon | specialy README.debian |
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| 09:05.05 | oznt | Iridos, well editing tags is easy, but where does a record of editors and their changes is kept? |
| 09:08.05 | swi | Iridos: i'm using Zim right now, it's very good and simple and allmost make me happy, except that situation when i need re-read article with changes from client to found ou what is changed :) |
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| 09:08.54 | halcon | if i follow the instruccions of the install, i get the last erro, but if i do not copy the aliases to /etc/aliases, the the error is: address non-routable |
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| 09:10.20 | gnarface | halcon: but you're SURE you can send&receive mail to remote servers directly with exim4? |
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| 09:10.51 | gnarface | halcon: put the contents of your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf file in paste.debian.net and then put the link in here |
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| 09:11.57 | Iridos | oznt, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html#the-tag-database |
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| 09:17.34 | milo64 | hey i just uninstalled a program, now man is telling me this: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man1/milkytracker.1.gz: No such file or directory ::: when i type 'man milkytracker'. I want it not to say it at all like i never installed this software before |
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| 09:19.37 | gnarface | milo64: --purge |
| 09:19.52 | gnarface | milo64: maybe |
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| 09:35.54 | bullgard4 | My Debian wheezy has not installed the DEB program package "ntp". What DEB program package is responsible for obtaining the precise time from the Internet? |
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| 09:36.45 | Deeps | amusingly, 'ntp' |
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| 09:37.10 | linu2 | ok some success!!! |
| 09:37.16 | linu2 | i got the optimus working in mint 15 |
| 09:37.20 | jelly | !installit |
| 09:37.21 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 09:37.24 | linu2 | and ubuntu 13.10 |
| 09:37.27 | linu2 | i will never use ubuntu |
| 09:37.31 | linu2 | i'd prefer to use wheezy |
| 09:37.50 | Deeps | linu2: you know mint is derived from ubuntu? |
| 09:38.04 | jelly | linu2: you do realize mint is basically ubuntu with some bling added, right? |
| 09:38.17 | Deeps | linu2: and largely relies on the ubuntu repos for the vast majority of packages |
| 09:38.21 | jiohdi | and a gnomish shell |
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| 09:38.55 | jiohdi | i just installed ntp and my system clock jumped 2 min to correct time |
| 09:39.11 | linu2 | Deeps: yes mint is derived from ubuntu is derived from Debian :) |
| 09:39.27 | linu2 | Deeps: mint doesnt seem to have any ubuntu spyware |
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| 09:40.58 | Deeps | lovely |
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| 09:44.24 | bullgard4 | Deeps: False. The package ntp is not installed and still this wheezy obtains the precise time. |
| 09:44.50 | jiohdi | I have two wheezy installs and both were 2 min off |
| 09:45.00 | jiohdi | ntp put it right |
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| 09:45.53 | rgr | any ubuntu spyware? what? |
| 09:46.32 | bullgard4 | jiohdi: So obviously there are alternatives to ntp. |
| 09:46.47 | jiohdi | most systems have a clock in the bios no? |
| 09:47.08 | jiohdi | as long as that little battery lasts |
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| 09:47.26 | jiohdi | it just needs to be updated from time to time |
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| 09:47.32 | bullgard4 | jiohdi: Please re-read my question. I asked about "precise" time. |
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| 09:47.48 | Deeps | bullgard4: there are lots of alternatives. ntp is the one that is most widely used. if you've chosen to install something else, that's your decision. `dpkg -l` will show you a list of what you've got installed |
| 09:47.59 | jiohdi | bullgard4: probably but as I said my system was off 2 min |
| 09:48.47 | Deeps | bullgard4: not sure anyone else can tell you what you've got on your system - as far as 'defaults' go, I always do minimal installs, so I can't advise if anything else might have been installed through some other process |
| 09:49.42 | bullgard4 | Deeps: Thank you. |
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| 09:50.16 | jiohdi | bullgard4: yours could have been updated before you installed wheezy and just kept better time than mine |
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| 10:03.03 | robytrevi | hi. If I launch vlc with --dvb-budget-mode option (to see all the italian channels) I get "dtv access error: cannot setup TS demultiplexer: Invalid argument" error with a dvb-t device (debian jessie vlc 2.0.8). (with ubuntu 12.04 vlc 2.0.8 I have no errors). What can I try? thank's. |
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| 10:06.04 | babilen | robytrevi: Very few information about this on the internet, but could you switch dvb: to dvb-s: ? You might also want to take this question to the videolan channel as it is quite specific - Actual commands and output (also dmesg) would probably come in handy. |
| 10:06.24 | linu2 | so i got it working in ubuntu 13.10, working but borked half the pc in mint |
| 10:06.29 | linu2 | so there should be a way to get it working in wheezy |
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| 10:07.40 | jelly | linu2: ubuntu 13.10 has newer versions of kernel, xorg xserver, and xorg video-intel drivers than wheezy |
| 10:08.12 | linu2 | jelly: yeah upgrading the kernel was easy as the needed version was in wheezy-backports |
| 10:08.20 | linu2 | i suspect getting a new X might be hard |
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| 10:08.49 | jiohdi | maybe upgrade to testing? |
| 10:09.00 | linu2 | i could do that, i dunno if that would work |
| 10:09.01 | robytrevi | babilen: thank's for the answer. vlc works fine without that option but I can see just few channels in that way. with other software (kaffeine, but it has lots of kde librar, or metv, need more cpu at full screen) I can see all the channels. dmesg said nothing, just that"G-Tek Electronics Group Lifeview LV5TDLX DVB-T' successfully initialized and connected" |
| 10:09.10 | linu2 | i think i saw the needed X version in experimental jiohdi |
| 10:09.15 | linu2 | 1.13 or higher |
| 10:09.26 | robytrevi | babilen: I try to ask to videolan channel |
| 10:09.27 | jiohdi | sid is dangerous enough, no? |
| 10:09.34 | linu2 | lol sid is dangerous enough |
| 10:09.45 | linu2 | experimental is even more so lol, especially since in not a debian developer |
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| 10:09.52 | jiohdi | right |
| 10:10.01 | babilen | robytrevi: what about dvb: vs dvb-s: ? (one of the few posts I found indicated that this might make a difference) |
| 10:10.02 | jiohdi | at least sid mostly works |
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| 10:10.17 | linu2 | sid is unstable yeah |
| 10:10.20 | linu2 | and jessie is testing ? |
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| 10:11.01 | jiohdi | is jessie the next name? |
| 10:11.11 | linu2 | i think so |
| 10:11.13 | linu2 | must be |
| 10:11.15 | linu2 | jessie is testing |
| 10:11.17 | cli41 | yes |
| 10:11.30 | jiohdi | testing is more like a rolling release, no? |
| 10:11.32 | cli41 | jessie will be debian 8 |
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| 10:12.09 | cli41 | testing is rolling.... but will become jessie stable/is jessie |
| 10:12.11 | jiohdi | jessie will just be a snapshot of testing somewhere down the road |
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| 10:12.48 | linu2 | yeah that |
| 10:13.07 | arafangion | Testing's a rolling release? I didn't think so... |
| 10:13.14 | arafangion | Doesn't testing become stable? |
| 10:13.15 | robytrevi | babilen: same error |
| 10:13.16 | jiohdi | testing keeps on truckin |
| 10:13.18 | linu2 | yeah its not really a "rolling release" |
| 10:13.20 | linu2 | its "testing" |
| 10:13.26 | arafangion | Yeah, so not rolling. Good. |
| 10:13.34 | arafangion | Sid's a rolling release, though. |
| 10:13.52 | jiohdi | whats the difference? they both continue on after stable is released |
| 10:14.23 | jelly | arafangion: it's not a release at all in that sense |
| 10:14.25 | linu2 | i think its explained somewhere, new things go into experimental |
| 10:14.32 | linu2 | then to sid, then testing |
| 10:14.44 | jelly | arafangion: if anything, it's a development branch |
| 10:14.53 | linu2 | yeah its a development branch |
| 10:14.59 | Sevet | testing is the testing for the next stable (jessie) |
| 10:15.22 | arafangion | jelly: Point. |
| 10:15.28 | jiohdi | but then testing becomes the testing for the one after that so if you keep testing its like a rolling release |
| 10:15.41 | jelly | linu2: things usually go to unstable. experimental is for uploads that are known by the developer to be broken, in advance |
| 10:15.44 | babilen | recommends reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release to get the terminology right here |
| 10:15.47 | Sevet | !tell jiohdi -about rolling |
| 10:15.50 | jelly | !sid faq |
| 10:15.50 | arafangion | Sid does actually occasionally work, though. Has anybody run a wholly 'experimental' distibution? |
| 10:15.51 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 10:16.03 | linu2 | jelly: oh right then the required X i need is known to be broken lol, as well as the required nvidia drivers lol |
| 10:16.10 | CissWit | arafangion: there's no experimental distribution |
| 10:16.13 | jelly | arafangion: experimental is not a complete repo at all, just a few packages here and there |
| 10:16.21 | jiohdi | arafangion: I have been running sid over a week now, no major issues that I could not fix |
| 10:16.29 | jelly | arafangion: and they are all broken :-D |
| 10:17.00 | jiohdi | I have testing running on two other machines, not even a single issue there |
| 10:17.03 | CissWit | btw testing might have huge stability issue as when a bug is in testing, you need to wait that it is corrected in sid and enough time for the backport of the fix |
| 10:17.08 | linu2 | i hear testing is pretty stable |
| 10:17.19 | linu2 | dont ubuntu take -testing or sid ? |
| 10:17.30 | jiohdi | testing has proved to be very stable for me so far |
| 10:17.33 | CissWit | it's pretty stable most of the time, but when you have a bug you can have it for a long time |
| 10:17.40 | jelly | jiohdi: my experience with sid is a brown paper bag breakage (where everything breaks) maybe once a year or two years, and at least some packages being uninstallable maybe 10% of the time |
| 10:17.49 | CissWit | and you have to security backports either, so when you have a vulnerable package you can have it for a long time too |
| 10:17.56 | Sevet | CissWit: unless you report it and help to fix it |
| 10:17.59 | CissWit | you have no security backports* |
| 10:18.06 | linu2 | yeah i cant run that, no security patches |
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| 10:18.21 | jiohdi | jelly: when I first installed the system froze and I had to reboot and do some dpkg thing to fix it |
| 10:18.24 | linu2 | im abit concerned about whether security issues get patched in mint too |
| 10:18.29 | jelly | linu2: ubuntu picks whichever they find suitable for their purposes, sometimes their base is testing, sometimes its unstable, and there's lots of cherry picking |
| 10:18.44 | linu2 | jelly: i dislike ubuntu |
| 10:18.47 | CissWit | Sevet: it doesn't change anything. The fix will be applied in unstable first, then backport in testing after some time like any other patch |
| 10:18.54 | jelly | linu2: that's irrelevant ;-) |
| 10:19.01 | linu2 | jelly: yes it is :) |
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| 10:19.22 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 10:19.55 | linu2 | so ath9k devices are supposed to be the best wifi chips for debian that i know of |
| 10:20.09 | linu2 | i dont know about AMD vs Intel and nvidia vs ati vs intel graphics |
| 10:20.17 | cousin_luigi | How come brctl was moved from /usr/sbin to /sbin ? |
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| 10:21.08 | jiohdi | nvidia always gave me trouble until wheezy, the neuaveau? seems to be working fine |
| 10:21.29 | cousin_luigi | I mean, was the path change a decision made by the package maintainer or was there a policy change between squeeze and wheezy? |
| 10:22.23 | jiohdi | there was some chatter about re-organizing what was in what in all distros |
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| 10:23.28 | cousin_luigi | jiohdi: yes, but I can see /usr/sbin is still there |
| 10:23.39 | cousin_luigi | so is this a work in progress? |
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| 10:23.59 | jiohdi | cousin_luigi: they were going to do it gradually for backwards compatibility so as not to break everything at once.. lots of symlinks |
| 10:24.17 | cousin_luigi | jiohdi: bridge-utils broke things for me:/ |
| 10:26.25 | linu2 | im thinking of buying my next laptop 1 year before the -release of jessie so everythings compatible |
| 10:26.46 | jiohdi | how will you know what year that is :) |
| 10:26.52 | linu2 | damn |
| 10:26.56 | linu2 | this is tricky y'know |
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| 10:27.26 | linu2 | ideally i want to buy it at least 6 months before the freeze |
| 10:27.56 | jiohdi | from what I understand wheezy waited many years |
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| 10:28.07 | cousin_luigi | jiohdi: I found the bug report, I suppose it makes sense to have networking independent from /usr. |
| 10:28.09 | linu2 | the wheezy freeze was long |
| 10:28.11 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 10:28.33 | linu2 | i would prefer to run a long release like that |
| 10:28.42 | linu2 | that gets security patches etc, not funny new features |
| 10:28.54 | linu2 | i just gotta figure out the right way to get the hardware |
| 10:29.19 | jiohdi | system 76 :) |
| 10:29.25 | linu2 | system 76 :) |
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| 10:30.17 | linu2 | i will have to ask system76 if the machines have optimus |
| 10:30.32 | linu2 | they have atheros available which is great |
| 10:30.36 | jiohdi | or optimus prime |
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| 10:30.42 | linu2 | lol |
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| 10:31.11 | linu2 | i really dislike ubuntu which is what system76 seems to say their systems are certified for |
| 10:31.20 | jiohdi | true |
| 10:32.01 | arafangion | Could be worse, though. |
| 10:32.09 | arafangion | linu2: You could be stuck with Redhat. |
| 10:32.17 | linu2 | lol arafangion |
| 10:32.36 | arafangion | linu2: I kid you not, I've had to deal with a CentOS system a few years ago. *shudder* |
| 10:32.37 | linu2 | wheezy certified high end laptop would be nice, 1920x1080, gaming grade graphics etc |
| 10:32.52 | linu2 | arafangion: i havent used centos lol though i know some people who have it |
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| 10:33.15 | arafangion | Mac OS X laptops aren't toooo bad, though, and they're more battery efficient than linux. (Cynics would justifiably question why, though) |
| 10:33.33 | linu2 | yeah the macbooks are good quality |
| 10:33.45 | linu2 | i think they might have a weird apple-designed hardware mux too |
| 10:33.49 | linu2 | gmux |
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| 10:34.23 | linu2 | if macbook can support disconnecting the intel graphics in the EFIbios and only physically connecting the nvidia to the display, i could get one |
| 10:34.54 | arafangion | linu2: Last I checked, the recommended way to run linux on them was to do so in a full-screen VM. |
| 10:34.58 | arafangion | linu2: On a mac host. |
| 10:35.03 | linu2 | lol |
| 10:35.09 | linu2 | i dont think steam would run that fast in a vm |
| 10:36.12 | arafangion | linu2: The state of 3D in linux is still sucky, from what I gather. |
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| 10:36.35 | linu2 | arafangion: i tried ubuntu 13.10 and was surprised, optimus was configured easily, and the steam gaming was impressive |
| 10:36.40 | linu2 | ubuntu has of course been removed now |
| 10:36.53 | cli41 | hey I use debian wheezy on a few systems most with 4Gb ram, but I tend to only use about 1Gb ram, XFCE desktop enviroment, I have allocated 250Mb swap partition as precaution, but I wonder if is really needed these days at all? |
| 10:37.10 | cast | cli41: i don't bother with swap |
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| 10:38.56 | arafangion | Isn't swap useful if you want to hibernate? |
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| 10:39.17 | cli41 | arafangion: yes but I don't want to |
| 10:39.44 | cast | suspends to ram, in the rare event |
| 10:40.08 | arafangion | cast: Much quicker, but what if you leave it unplugged all weekend? |
| 10:40.48 | cast | shut down, personal choices. dealing with complicated power SNAFU is a challenge even for windows users |
| 10:41.13 | arafangion | cast: Eh? I find it easy enough. I just run windows in a VM. ;) |
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| 10:41.42 | cast | i mean to say that particular aspect of modern laptops isn't really known for its smoothness, standardization, or flawless operation :) |
| 10:42.09 | crane | hmm... i have a weard problem. i configured an openvpn server with an dhcpd server so my clients are all getting their ips by dhcprequests. but now i see a mac address spamming with dhcpdiscover. but i dont know this mac address? |
| 10:42.25 | cast | maybe its changed, but i also don't like all that state being written out in plaintext to disk |
| 10:42.29 | crane | and he is broadcasting ever 2 seconds |
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| 10:42.54 | cast | crane: interesting. your network? wireless? |
| 10:43.28 | crane | cast, no, it's a small dev network between 3 vms based on virtualbox |
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| 10:44.06 | arafangion | WOO!!!! STARGUNNER IS WORKING!!! (Sorry guys. Got carried away with an old favorite game) |
| 10:44.15 | ksk | hey guys, is there some good ressource about building a debian package? |
| 10:44.32 | cast | ksk: there is, there's a great one! |
| 10:44.57 | cast | ksk: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ might be it |
| 10:45.15 | ksk | thanks |
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| 10:46.18 | cast | crane: never has been clear to me how virtualbox networking and the host's networking interact |
| 10:46.57 | crane | cast, i dont really think that it is a virtualbox problem cause the packages are just seen on tap0 |
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| 11:01.43 | blahdeblah | Hi all. What's the preferred CD -> MP3 ripper in wheezy nowadays |
| 11:01.45 | blahdeblah | ? |
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| 11:04.49 | ksk | i like abcde |
| 11:04.59 | ezra-s | I like cdplay |
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| 11:06.49 | cuteqt | how i upgrade the Qt ? |
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| 11:10.31 | babilen | cuteqt: You don't .. |
| 11:10.32 | oofa | blahdeblah: try LAME |
| 11:10.37 | oofa | lame.sourceforge.net |
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| 11:11.22 | cuteqt | babilen, why? Actually i should not? |
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| 11:13.07 | babilen | blahdeblah: Are you sure that you don't want to rip into something more, well, modern (ogg, flac, ...) ? |
| 11:13.39 | babilen | cuteqt: No, you should install and use the version of QT that comes with your release (as other programs depend on it) -- Why do you think you have to upgrade? |
| 11:13.59 | blahdeblah | babilen: My car CD/MP3 player is what i'm targeting |
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| 11:14.38 | babilen | blahdeblah: Ah, fair enough. :) |
| 11:14.56 | blahdeblah | oofa: All MP3 encoders I've seen use LAME. What i'm looking for is something to rip the CD audio. I used grip previously, but it's gone from the repos. |
| 11:16.10 | Iridos | dpkg, grip |
| 11:16.11 | dpkg | Grip is a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install, see http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ . Also the name of an old GTK-based front-end for CD ripping; dead upstream, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #515887. For alternatives, ask me about <asunder>, <mp3mesa>. |
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| 11:16.32 | cuteqt | babilen, i simply installed qt using apt. It is not really that important to upgrade but qt is not applying the kde style correctly |
| 11:16.52 | blahdeblah | dpkg, asunder |
| 11:16.52 | dpkg | Asunder is a graphical audio CD ripper and encoder. It is a suggested replacement for <grip>. http://www.littlesvr.ca/asunder/ |
| 11:17.00 | blahdeblah | dpkg, mp3mesa |
| 11:17.00 | dpkg | mp3mesa is a fork of the <grip> CD ripping and encoding front-end. RFP in Debian bug #518114. http://sf.net/projects/mp3mesa/ . See also <asunder>. |
| 11:17.14 | jtheuer | hi, is it possible to have a named pipe or similar that dropps lines if no process reads from it? I want to use it as log target but it is ok to drop lines if there is no consumer |
| 11:18.25 | arafangion | jtheuer: That question doesn't make sense. |
| 11:18.35 | arafangion | jtheuer: (So, no.) |
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| 11:18.50 | blahdeblah | arafangion: It makes sense to me |
| 11:19.04 | blahdeblah | jtheuer: That's not the way named pipes are designed to work |
| 11:19.05 | arafangion | blahdeblah: Not if you know what pipes are and how they're used. |
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| 11:19.32 | blahdeblah | arafangion: Which is why jtheuer asked the question... |
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| 11:19.52 | roger21 | what would be the suggested command line cd-ripper then? |
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| 11:20.02 | blahdeblah | arafangion: Asking questions is how you go from not knowing to knowing ;-) |
| 11:20.16 | jtheuer | is there something else? I basically don't want to producer to block (and i don't want to create a file that can grow) |
| 11:20.56 | blahdeblah | jtheuer: A circular buffer in shared memory, perhaps? |
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| 11:22.42 | jtheuer | yeah something like that. I could program that part. But the producer just accepts files as target so I need something that can be used file-like |
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| 11:25.54 | blahdeblah | jtheuer: You could log to a file in /tmp or another tmpfs and then prune the files regularly |
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| 11:26.38 | Iridos | jtheuer, seems to me like you want to reinvent the wheel and possibly make it square... there's xconsole and some errors are also displayed on one of the regular text consoles ... and there's of course logfiles that get rotated/archived at some point |
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| 11:28.39 | arafangion | Or the consumer could simply skip them. |
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| 11:30.39 | Iridos | I mean... have a look at what syslog-type daemons have to offer |
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| 11:59.06 | CheckDavid | Where do screenshots on Debian go to? |
| 11:59.36 | tralala | perhaps in ~/Pictures |
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| 12:01.57 | bl4ckdu5t | Someone please help! After I installed my Linux on this machine, I tried to do a apt download but I keep getting this error: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 12:02.23 | bl4ckdu5t | I also tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but it gives the same error |
| 12:03.17 | jelly | bl4ckdu5t: which debian release is this? |
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| 12:05.49 | bl4ckdu5t | It's debian 7.1.0 |
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| 12:06.29 | umpalumpa | !paste |
| 12:06.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:06.54 | jelly | bl4ckdu5t: verify there is no apt ot dpkg or update-manager or synaptic (or some other package manager) process running, and don't forget to run apt-* commands as root |
| 12:07.14 | Iridos | if you're just having a private chat, you can do "/msg dpkg paste" instead |
| 12:08.27 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks I think I started a process already on the software center |
| 12:08.49 | Iridos | you get "permission denied", though when trying to access the lock file as non-root |
| 12:08.57 | CheckDavid | thanks tralala |
| 12:09.05 | jelly | bl4ckdu5t: software center is one of those, yes |
| 12:10.24 | Iridos | bl4ckdu5t, you can see the process id of the process using it with fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock (needs to be run as root to see root-owned processes) or name and pid with e.g. lsof |grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock (also needs to be run as root to see root-owned processes) |
| 12:10.31 | Iridos | but seems you already know :) |
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| 12:12.41 | tralala | CheckDavid, you're welcome :-) |
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| 12:13.32 | bl4ckdu5t | Iridos: Thanks! those are some commands I never used |
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| 12:24.31 | Roland- | hello, for some reasons I have rootfs and /dev/root mounted as / both in the same time, any fix for this? |
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| 12:26.46 | mniip | "fix" implies there is a "problem" |
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| 12:27.26 | Roland- | it may be a problem since df shows this, or maybe df shows wrong? |
| 12:28.04 | mniip | i have the same |
| 12:28.12 | P_B | yeah. that's normal |
| 12:28.20 | jelly | Roland-: this is normal for wheezy, everything is fine and it's basically a cosmetic issue |
| 12:28.35 | Roland- | oh Ok |
| 12:29.04 | Roland- | any ways to pimp this cosmetic issue up ? :P |
| 12:29.05 | mniip | Roland-, if you look at /etc/mtab |
| 12:29.12 | mniip | you'll find / twice as well |
| 12:29.58 | Roland- | I did look there |
| 12:30.06 | P_B | Write a script to selectively interrogate df's output |
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| 12:33.35 | Roland- | ok |
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| 12:36.50 | codepython777 | Whats the best way to automate CLI tasks? Anything better than expect/pexpect ? |
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| 12:38.48 | gnarface | codepython777: you mean like cron? |
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| 12:39.55 | codepython777 | gnarface: I've many CLI programs that talk to the stdin/out. They ask for passwords, to directories, etc. I need to automate that |
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| 12:40.10 | codepython777 | gnarface: ssh is one such command, but my needs are more than that |
| 12:40.31 | Slashman | hello, I'm on debian 7 and when I try "update-rc.d -n filtering defaults 40 1", the script tell me that it will create symlink like "S15filtering" in all default rc... I looking at the man right now and it should create symlink like "S40filtering", am I doing something wrong ? |
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| 12:41.54 | gnarface | codepython777: no, you don't automate putting in passwords. passwords are to make it so that you cannot automate it and a user must be present. configure it not to prompt for passwords if you really want to automate this. |
| 12:43.02 | codepython777 | gnarface: Just replace passwords with keys. They are not really passwords that users type. |
| 12:43.26 | gnarface | irrelevant |
| 12:43.28 | codepython777 | gnarface: I need something that can run a program, then check the stdout/err and then type in what i want automatically |
| 12:43.34 | abrotman | codepython777: you can use expect, yes, but it's poor practice |
| 12:43.55 | codepython777 | "Whats the best way to automate CLI tasks? Anything better than expect/pexpect ?" |
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| 12:44.28 | gnarface | codepython777: you're making it a lot harder on yourself than it needs to be... |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | codepython777: yes, keys |
| 12:45.15 | abrotman | or possibly sudo, yuck |
| 12:45.39 | codepython777 | gnarface: Currently i create user accounts manually, and then install programs in their directories. All of this can be done using a bash script, except one of the programs asks for uname, key, directory info etc, and is not easy to automate |
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| 12:47.45 | cheri_ | hi I am trying to install and I get no disk drive detected. I think the kernel doesn't have the drivers related to megaraid 9266-4i controller |
| 12:47.54 | cheri_ | plz help me how I can solve this issue |
| 12:47.57 | gnarface | codepython777: is the program installed a *.deb file? |
| 12:48.14 | codepython777 | gnarface: nope. This is a custom piece of c/python code |
| 12:48.24 | cheri_ | I am trying to do net install of debian lenny 5.0.10 |
| 12:48.30 | codepython777 | gnarface: its long enough that i dont want to touch the source code. |
| 12:48.51 | gnarface | codepython777: well like i said, you're making it harder on yourself than it needs to be, that's all |
| 12:49.25 | cheri_ | the kernel that comes with the iso image is 2.6.26-2 |
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| 12:57.59 | Berry6510 | 's/mail program/mail daemon' |
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| 13:01.36 | Stevie-O_ | codepython: I have a suggestion on how you could probably easily patch the code to support automation |
| 13:01.51 | Stevie-O_ | or did he leave |
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| 13:03.39 | Stevie-O_ | codepython777: it should be fairly straightforward to patch the code to check getenv() before reading from standard input; if you do that, then you can automate it by setting the appropriate env vars before invoking it |
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| 13:06.57 | dgeary2 | any ideas why run-parts on line 49 of /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown isn't returning after running 'exit 0' in /etc/wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh line 73 when an interface is brought up in debian wheezy using network-manager 0.9.4.0-10 and wpasupplicant 1.0-3+b1? |
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| 13:07.16 | bluesceada | hi |
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| 13:08.10 | bluesceada | pm-hibernate doesn't work and hibernate-disks didn't work until I changed the order in /etc/hibernate/disk.conf ( TryMethod sysfs-disk.conf instead of TryMethod ususpend-disk.conf as the first line) |
| 13:08.26 | ivek | Hello to all |
| 13:08.32 | bluesceada | because of that I also can't hibernate from KDE but need to enter hibernate-disks as root ... any idea how to resolve this? |
| 13:08.55 | bluesceada | the installation was installed and updated since squeeze, and I am using a crypto swap to hibernate to |
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| 13:09.17 | bluesceada | (crypto swap added by myself and not auto-done with the debian installer or something) |
| 13:10.11 | bluesceada | it also resumes correctly when using hibernate-disks .... it did suspend correctly(?) but not resume correctly when I made a /etc/uswsusp.conf (doesnt exist right now) |
| 13:12.45 | CableNinja | why cant libvirt's virtinst package install like libvirt-bin? why does it require 9000 (including libvirt, qemu, etc) dependencies when virtinst can be used on a remote system? how can I install just virtinst and its basic required packages to operate remotely? |
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| 13:15.04 | m00n | lets hope this shit works |
| 13:15.15 | m00n | is getting it all together |
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| 13:22.53 | themill | dpkg: tell CableNinja about apt recommends |
| 13:23.06 | CableNinja | its not all in recommends |
| 13:23.13 | CableNinja | it wants to install qemu |
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| 13:23.29 | CableNinja | which afaik isnt needed on a remote system |
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| 13:24.49 | themill | no |
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| 13:26.28 | CableNinja | themill: :o I seeeeeeeeeeee |
| 13:26.31 | CableNinja | thats a nifty command |
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| 13:31.58 | paullik | Hi. Where can I read about the significance of the symbols that the service --status-all command lists (I don't know how to interpret them)? |
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| 13:32.10 | paullik | tried man service, no luck :) |
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| 13:32.56 | drunkez | [ + ] started |
| 13:32.56 | drunkez | [ - ] stopped |
| 13:32.56 | drunkez | [ ? ] unknown |
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| 13:33.49 | themill | paullik: utsl! |
| 13:33.51 | paullik | drunkez, thanks, but, are they documented somewhere? |
| 13:33.56 | paullik | utsl? |
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| 13:34.29 | drunkez | use the source luke |
| 13:34.32 | paullik | oh use the source luke :)) |
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| 13:34.54 | paullik | yeah, but I thought they are documented somewhere |
| 13:35.06 | paullik | anyway, thanks |
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| 13:35.24 | Brigo | paullik: + runnign, - not running, ? unknown |
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| 13:35.54 | paullik | yep, thank you |
| 13:35.55 | themill | Yeah, nicely documented on lines 78 to 96 of /usr/sbin/service. (please feel free to send a patch for the man page |
| 13:35.56 | Brigo | paullik: from source, it is a bash script. |
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| 13:36.45 | Roland- | https://dpaste.de/Fe1HG/ am I doing something wrong? |
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| 13:37.42 | Brigo | Roland-: what is the problem? |
| 13:37.48 | drunkez | Roland-: no you are pasting something on internet very well |
| 13:37.58 | Brigo | drunkez: :-) |
| 13:37.59 | Sevet | themill: interesting... unknown means it didn't find it containing "status)"... |
| 13:38.01 | Roland- | well most of this ips are not respinding |
| 13:38.08 | themill | Sevet: yeah. crude |
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| 13:38.25 | Sevet | except that misses 'status') (eg mysql) and any status where it's not the last in the list |
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| 13:39.02 | themill | Sevet: yep. It would be easier to just use something that actually had this functionality built in. Like systemd. |
| 13:39.02 | Brigo | Roland-: from where? |
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| 13:39.46 | milo64 | hey i just uninstalled a program, now man is telling me this: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man1/milkytracker.1.gz: No such file or directory ::: when i type 'man milkytracker'. I want it not to say it at all like i never installed this software before <== I've done 'apt-get purge' |
| 13:39.54 | Sevet | paullik: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699529 |
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| 13:40.14 | Roland- | Brigo from my home to data center and I have other ips there that are respinding. |
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| 13:40.19 | Roland- | responding that is. |
| 13:40.48 | Brigo | Roland-: this config file is from your home box or from where? |
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| 13:41.20 | Roland- | it's an vds in a data center far away |
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| 13:42.12 | Brigo | Roland-: can you make ping from the own box with this vlans to these virtuals lands? |
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| 13:42.28 | Lachezar | Q: How come df shows two file systems mounted as / ? |
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| 13:44.50 | milo64 | hey i just uninstalled a program, now man is telling me this: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man1/milkytracker.1.gz: No such file or directory ::: when i type 'man milkytracker'. I want it not to say it at all like i never installed this software before <== I've done 'apt-get purge' |
| 13:44.59 | drunkez | Lachezar: |
| 13:45.00 | drunkez | /dev/mapper/vg00-lv_var 31M 4.5M 25M 15% /var |
| 13:45.00 | drunkez | /dev/mapper/vg00-lv_var2 31M 4.5M 25M 15% /var |
| 13:45.09 | drunkez | koz it`s mounted twice |
| 13:45.12 | drunkez | inspect fstab |
| 13:45.13 | drunkez | pvs |
| 13:45.14 | drunkez | lvs |
| 13:45.16 | drunkez | vgs |
| 13:45.19 | drunkez | fdisk |
| 13:45.20 | drunkez | whatever |
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| 13:46.08 | milo64 | if you don't know, please say "i don't know" okay? at least. Please. I need to know that you don't know. I am fustrated here :( |
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| 13:46.24 | Lachezar | drunkez: I got a rootfs as / and a /dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
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| 13:46.44 | drunkez | see? |
| 13:47.01 | Lachezar | drunkez: In fstab there is only one / |
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| 13:47.03 | jelly | milo64: none of that silliness was directed for your question, actually |
| 13:47.28 | drunkez | Lachezar: paste cat /proc/mounts |
| 13:47.35 | milo64 | can you re-phrase your words please? |
| 13:47.56 | jelly | milo64: it wouldn't be nice if you got 1390 dunnos from all the people. Assume that if noone answers, noone knows. |
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| 13:48.05 | drunkez | jelly: ++ |
| 13:48.05 | Lachezar | drunkez: Yes, there are two / in /proc/mounts |
| 13:49.02 | milo64 | jelly, well, i like it that way, if i like it that way then let me like it that way and leave me alone. |
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| 13:49.11 | mamtina | hello ! |
| 13:49.28 | drunkez | milo64: we all will leav you alone now ok?:) |
| 13:49.55 | milo64 | if you hate my ways, please, don't hurt yourself. Leave me ALONE! |
| 13:49.59 | jelly | milo64: it does not scale, and it's not nice to other inhabitants of the channel. |
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| 13:51.17 | crane | cast, i figured it out... it's just one client which is spamming. still dont now why but who |
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| 13:52.06 | mamtina | I want to see a my friend's desktop who is far far away, through vnc |
| 13:52.07 | mamtina | and I don't know how to proceed?? |
| 13:52.24 | SirLagz | mamtina: why vnc ? why not use teamviewer or logmein ? |
| 13:53.05 | mamtina | SirLagz, he uses win >_< |
| 13:53.28 | SirLagz | exactly... |
| 13:53.44 | SirLagz | teamviewer or logmein works perfectly for windows |
| 13:53.58 | mamtina | ok ok. is it easier for them? |
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| 13:54.03 | milo64 | when did wheezy gotten released? |
| 13:54.07 | Lachezar | milo64: try 'sudo mandb' |
| 13:54.15 | SirLagz | mamtina: yes |
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| 13:55.16 | milo64 | Lachezar, thank you so very very much. Unlike others you seem so kind. I give you that :) |
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| 13:55.52 | mamtina | SirLagz, , I'll start the one which is easier. logmein ? |
| 13:56.17 | Lachezar | milo64: I don't really understand your issue with the others. There are multiple people asking, multiple people answering. Sometimes an answer for one question comes after another question has been asked. |
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| 13:56.17 | SirLagz | they're both about the same |
| 13:56.47 | swede73 | teamviewer is easy |
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| 13:57.23 | x-stream | Hi guys, I have a noob question: when I tail and grep a log file it works as expected but when I try to link the output into a file, the file stays empty. Working: tail -n0 -F /var/log/c-icap/server.log | grep "DETECTED" Not working tail -n0 -F /var/log/c-icap/server.log | grep "DETECTED" > test.log |
| 13:57.24 | mamtina | thanks all o/ |
| 13:57.31 | swede73 | teamviewer is easy if the person on the other side is not as proficient in computers' |
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| 13:58.06 | mamtina | yes, he is not ! |
| 13:58.06 | x-stream | what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 13:59.18 | milo64 | Lachezar, i'm different indeed. It's good to be different and make a difference. |
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| 14:00.02 | tempspace | Has anybody experienced fail2ban not working on squeeze even though the regex's are matching correctly? |
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| 14:00.53 | drunkez | x-stream: try grep -i |
| 14:01.02 | jelly | x-stream: grep buffers the output, with a default buffer of 8KiB size. Either use --line-buffered, or wait until enough output appears so a full 8192B gets written to the file |
| 14:01.36 | x-stream | wow thanks for the explanations I will give it a try now |
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| 14:03.14 | m00n | so i got it all up n installed on this netbook i have here. now i need to, without any network connectivity on the install itself, get the network drivers and install them. i have a bt5 live stick with networking. so, my question is twofold. first, iwlwifi isnt what i need i dont believe, even though windows said thats what card i have (i downloaded the dpkg and installedit, modprobed it out and back onli e and no new network ifac |
| 14:03.44 | mamtina | SirLagz, you meant the person on the other side has to install teamviewer or i have to install it? |
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| 14:05.09 | SirLagz | mamtina: honestly, I don't even remember. |
| 14:05.12 | SirLagz | I just remember it was really easy haha |
| 14:05.16 | SirLagz | i think you both have to install it.... |
| 14:05.20 | x-stream | @jelly: --line-buffered does the magic, @drunkez: sry didnt work :( | Thank you guys! |
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| 14:06.47 | drunkez | x-stream: tail -n0 |
| 14:06.54 | drunkez | is the case in my opinion |
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| 14:07.43 | usrnix | What strength cert is generated by following https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate ? |
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| 14:08.05 | x-stream | ah ok gonna give that a try, too. thank you guys, have a nice day |
| 14:08.28 | Lachezar | usrnix: None |
| 14:08.44 | usrnix | Lachezar: thought that might be the answer |
| 14:09.15 | Lachezar | usrnix: Self-signed are usable within a small (enumerable) group of clients. |
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| 14:09.37 | m00n | anyone even thinking about those? just looking for a confirmation |
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| 14:10.16 | Lachezar | m00n: what does dmesg say? 'cat /proc/net/dev' |
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| 14:10.35 | Lachezar | m00n: might be there, but with some weird name and unconfigured. |
| 14:10.40 | usrnix | Lachezar: I want a self-signed of 2048-bit strength, it's been a while since I reviewed how SSL/TLS certs works so I'm not sure what needs doing :s |
| 14:10.51 | mamtina | if I want to connect, I have to enter the ip address of the other computer on the internet? or how? pardon SirLagz |
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| 14:11.19 | Sevet | usrnix: none because a cert is pointless without a CA so you know to trust it |
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| 14:11.33 | m00n | by there, you mean the drivers, already under the deb install? |
| 14:11.35 | hellyeah | kcharselect is really cool |
| 14:11.35 | usrnix | Sevet: Not really, I'm after the encrypted connection only |
| 14:11.46 | Lachezar | usrnix: In step 2 add -newkey rsa:2048 |
| 14:12.13 | Lachezar | m00n: No, I mean the device may have been added, but is not yet configured. |
| 14:12.26 | usrnix | Lachezar: the guide makes it sound like it will work as it is, wouldn't that mean it generates some cert to allow SSL? |
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| 14:12.47 | m00n | wouldnt ifconfig list it even if its not configured to connect yet? if not, how do i bring it up? |
| 14:13.19 | Lachezar | usrnix: Yes, it will *allow* SSL, but it would not be (definitely) *secure*. It can fall to the MITM attack. |
| 14:13.32 | Lachezar | m00n: 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 14:13.48 | Lachezar | m00n: that should show the unconfigured too. |
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| 14:14.17 | usrnix | Lachezar: How so? Is this a cert-less method or something with some minimal security? |
| 14:14.22 | m00n | yeah i know. nothing |
| 14:14.28 | Sevet | usrnix: without a trusted CA signing it you'll always get an error it's an untrusted cert. you can check the signature of the certificate is what you expect, but you're unlikely to. |
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| 14:15.04 | Sevet | so a MITM could trick you by also using a self-signed cert, and since you're unlikely to check the signature every time is likely to trick you |
| 14:15.06 | Lachezar | m00n: Sorry. That's what I can think of. |
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| 14:15.23 | usrnix | Sevet: Yea, but the point of public-key crypto is it's up to your to distribute your public key in such a way others trust you, I get it's not ideal for plenty of people but, eh :P |
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| 14:15.54 | m00n | so lspci tells me i have a broadcom bcm4313, and that i need a different package. ugh. |
| 14:15.58 | Lachezar | usrnix: X509 is *NOT* like that. It is has a 3-rd trusted party (CA). |
| 14:16.00 | jelly | Sevet: decent apps remember the cert previously used for a specific service, much like openssh client does |
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| 14:16.32 | Sevet | usrnix: well you could install your self-signed cert as a trusted cert, sure |
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| 14:16.53 | Sevet | usrnix: but then you only have the public key on computers you install it onto, so not great for websites |
| 14:17.20 | usrnix | Sevet: Would be fine for a few who use the site's secure parts, that's all i'm after right now, for admin logins |
| 14:17.23 | blixten | hi! what has changed since debian 6? for 32bit support on 64bit arch, earlier you just needed ia32libs. now there is some kind of dpkg --add-architecture and doesnt really seem to help with building 32bit bins? |
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| 14:17.35 | Lachezar | usrnix: You can *safely* follow the procedure, but you will *need* to securely transmit the certificate to the clients. |
| 14:17.43 | Lachezar | usrnix: That's not a general practice. |
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| 14:18.44 | usrnix | Lachezar: Yea, sorry if I missed something but back to my initial question I was wondering what strength the guide generates, seems weird it's left out |
| 14:19.08 | Lachezar | usrnix: Some kind of default. |
| 14:19.21 | usrnix | Lachezar: Ok thanks, probably 1024 or 2048 |
| 14:19.24 | Sevet | usrnix: the bits will be whatever [req] default_bits is in openssl.cnf, and if missing 512. yes the guide could set one more explicitly... |
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| 14:19.37 | Lachezar | usrnix: add "-newkey rsa:2048" to the "openssl req ..." command to specify the key parameters |
| 14:19.47 | Sevet | usually i generate the key and csr separately |
| 14:19.54 | Lachezar | Sevet: +1 |
| 14:20.04 | usrnix | Sevet: Oh thanks |
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| 14:21.56 | hellyeah | any advise for me |
| 14:21.57 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 14:25.22 | jelly | hellyeah: advice for...? |
| 14:25.25 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 14:25.27 | hellyeah | i guess |
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| 14:25.35 | hellyeah | i ask this js question in wrong channel |
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| 14:26.20 | usrnix | Just mentioning, debian's openssl default bit strength is 2048 :) |
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| 14:29.29 | guy_ | i would like to try to fix ext3 fs w/ fsck.ext3 but it seems to be symlinked to fsck.ext2 is there any way to fetch the apropriate fsck ? |
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| 14:34.31 | m00n | so i cant use aptitude to install this. if it breaks im going to be so mad. |
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| 14:35.35 | hellyeah | if i do aptitude dist-upgrade it probably will break my system |
| 14:35.51 | hellyeah | because it wants to delete a lotf thing "system component" |
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| 14:37.21 | babilen | hellyeah: Sounds as if you run unstable and as if you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- I assume that you are referring to the perl transition that is currently underway and would advise you to stick to "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get install PKG" for now. |
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| 14:38.02 | hellyeah | PKG? |
| 14:38.07 | babilen | hellyeah: Either way: If you want our help you have to provide detailed information about your system and the commands you are referring to (sources.list, apt-cache policy output, commands, their output, ..., ..., ...) |
| 14:38.15 | babilen | hellyeah: PKG = package |
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| 14:38.29 | babilen | (a placeholder for whatever package you want to upgrade directly) |
| 14:38.30 | hellyeah | ye |
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| 14:39.01 | dimitry7 | hello guys! Do you know until what month / year will squeeze be supported from repos? |
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| 14:40.08 | daemonkeeper | April 2014. |
| 14:40.11 | linedash | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 14:40.13 | hellyeah | i got it what you said |
| 14:41.11 | dimitry7 | daemonkeeper, thank you!! |
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| 14:41.15 | dimitry7 | linedash, thanks !! |
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| 14:46.47 | caraconan | Hi there. What happened with package "mumble" on jessie? Looks like is not there anymore |
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| 14:48.01 | guy_ | anyone? is there fsck for ext3 on debian ? |
| 14:48.15 | caraconan | This is the explanation I guess: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/mumble/+changelog |
| 14:48.25 | rozie | guy_: yes there is |
| 14:48.32 | guy_ | rozie: what is the package name ? |
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| 14:48.57 | rozie | e2fsprogs |
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| 14:50.53 | zafu | hi, what's the name of that utility to create bootable usb keys ? |
| 14:51.15 | dimitry7 | daemonkeeper, sorry, do you have the reference of the date you said? I can't find it on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 14:51.17 | mumpitzel | zafu: under which OS? |
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| 14:51.39 | zafu | to create a freedos usb key for bios flashing for example |
| 14:51.49 | mumpitzel | ,v mumble |
| 14:51.51 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2 |
| 14:51.53 | daemonkeeper | dimitry7: It's "last stable release date" + 1 year. So, the exact date will be May 5, 2014. |
| 14:52.30 | mumpitzel | caraconan: get the sid version. /msg dpkg tum |
| 14:52.43 | caraconan | Doing it now, many thanks |
| 14:53.04 | mumpitzel | zafu: I dunno cause I don't know what format freedos uses |
| 14:53.13 | zafu | ah, unetbootin |
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| 14:54.38 | guy_ | rozie: the symlink still points to ext2, which binary should i use ? |
| 14:54.47 | dimitry7 | daemonkeeper, ooh perfect. It's clear now :-). One more thing. We on our servers use postgresql, slony (for DB replication), squid, bind9, postfix, openvpn, mysql, PHP (so important) But here they are afraid of installing wheezy because what if we have trouble with files generation from PHP, modules etc. Do you think we could really face those problems? Because my intention is upgrade to wheezy |
| 14:54.51 | nielsle | I am trying to install debian, but when I try to start the installer I get "kernel panic, not syncing: out of memory". This happens with stable and testing. Is there anything that I can do? |
| 14:55.13 | mumpitzel | guy_: normally "fsck /dev/sda1" or whatever should be enough |
| 14:55.16 | Sevet | nielsle: how much memory do you have? |
| 14:55.19 | daemonkeeper | dimitry7: I don't know. You need to know yourself, it's your setup. Generally it works(tm). |
| 14:55.34 | mumpitzel | nielsle: how did you create your install medium? |
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| 14:55.40 | nielsle | Until this morning I ran sid, but I think that the perl update somehow removed my grub2 install |
| 14:55.48 | nielsle | I will check |
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| 14:58.03 | chrisirc | Anyone knows how to use dbndns over ipv6? |
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| 15:00.59 | nielsle | sevet: I have 4gb |
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| 15:01.24 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I would definitely set up a test environmnent to see what happens to all of your components when you upgrade. wheezy is not as bullet-proof as lenny and squeeze were. |
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| 15:03.06 | ws2k3 | the /etc/rc.local as which user is it runned? |
| 15:03.11 | guy_ | mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/WRnX8dkL :/ it still only goes for ext2 |
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| 15:04.08 | jhutchins | ws2k3: How would it be likely to choose a user? |
| 15:04.44 | ws2k3 | how you mean ? |
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| 15:05.07 | ws2k3 | when i put mkdir /dev/shm/nginx in the file which user does run the command then |
| 15:05.12 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, Yes dude, that's what I'm gonna do right now. Our ERP is totally build on PHP... so we can't fail |
| 15:05.44 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, wheezy is not as bullet-proof as them? what do you mean by that? |
| 15:06.22 | jiohdi | more complexity = more bugs not yet fixed |
| 15:06.35 | jiohdi | or even identified |
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| 15:19.05 | zhr0 | how can i install skype x64bit on debian properly? |
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| 15:19.39 | ksk | !tell zhr0 about skype |
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| 15:21.52 | forbid | would i need wine to install packet tracer? |
| 15:22.00 | forbid | or can it be done without it |
| 15:22.03 | ksk | what is packet tracer? |
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| 15:22.16 | ksk | if its a windows software you cannot run it on linux - surprise! |
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| 15:22.20 | Sevet | use wireshark |
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| 15:22.52 | forbid | Sevet: the reason im requesting packet tracer is because this is what my school requires us to test on |
| 15:23.02 | forbid | but i dont currently have a win box installed |
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| 15:23.10 | Sevet | ah, do you mean cisco packet tracer? simulation tool... might be able to run the windows version under wine, if there's no linux version |
| 15:23.18 | forbid | yeah sorry cisco packet tracer |
| 15:23.52 | forbid | wikipedia says it supports linux and windows |
| 15:24.10 | ksk | forbid: there seems to be a linux version, use google maybe? |
| 15:24.17 | Sevet | you won't need wine for the linux version then |
| 15:24.27 | forbid | yeah i tried finding it |
| 15:24.30 | forbid | wasnt successful |
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| 15:25.03 | Sevet | you probably need to login at http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/netacad/course_catalog/PacketTracer.html |
| 15:25.17 | Sevet | if you haven't got a login but have the windows version, use wine |
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| 15:25.50 | forbid | hmm i dont currently have any versions |
| 15:26.01 | forbid | ill see if i can find a linux version through torrent |
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| 15:26.48 | darsie | I'm deleting pulseaudio cause I can't get sound working properly with xfce. This also deletes a lot of gnome stuff. |
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| 15:30.56 | zhr0 | snifs to ksk |
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| 15:33.55 | asherawelan | Is this the right channel to ask about debian-live iso creation? |
| 15:34.24 | jelly | !debian-live |
| 15:34.24 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 15:34.38 | asherawelan | merci |
| 15:34.39 | jelly | asherawelan: note it's on a different irc network! |
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| 15:36.05 | tonsofpcs | is there a trick to download a package and all of its dependencies so that I can burn them to a disc to install on an off-line system? Note: the only systems I have available are: Windows XP, Win7, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu. System to have packages installed is debian 7.1 |
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| 15:37.23 | ffio | from where i can start learning about debian packaging ? |
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| 15:38.46 | zhr0 | https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 15:41.14 | ffio | zhr0: thank you :) |
| 15:41.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell ffio -about mentors |
| 15:41.40 | babilen | ffio: http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers |
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| 15:44.32 | ffio | babilen: i can request a mentor ..!! |
| 15:44.39 | ffio | never knew that before. |
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| 15:54.14 | albech | i have a customer who wishes to store some data on my SAN. They will be accessing the data through Samba via OpenVPN. Now I wonder how I can crypt their data on the disk. Any ideas/suggestions are welcome |
| 15:55.05 | albech | I should not add complexity to the user, I should probably add |
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| 15:56.10 | somiaj | albech: use an encrypted filesystem? Then when you mount it you will have the key, and from samba end you are just sharing that part of the file system |
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| 15:56.22 | jelly | albech: how much data do you expect to be there (in files and GiB)? |
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| 15:56.45 | albech | id expect a couple of gb no more |
| 15:56.59 | albech | jelly, all documents |
| 15:57.18 | jelly | albech: what will be the purpose of encrypting the data (which problem are you trying to solve) |
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| 15:58.16 | albech | jelly, since this is relatively sensitive data.. i will just add a layer of protection |
| 15:59.05 | albech | jelly, and i believe by law we are not allowed to store this type of data on non-encrypted devices in Denmark |
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| 15:59.58 | jelly | albech: well, you do realize any administrator on that system will be able to access the cleartext, and if you store the key on the same machine, anyone stealing the machine will be able to do it as well |
| 16:00.36 | jelly | s/stealing/having physical access/ too |
| 16:00.42 | albech | jelly, i am aware that admins will have access to the data, which is why all admins are cleared for this in the first place |
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| 16:00.53 | albech | physical access threat is minimal |
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| 16:01.35 | jelly | albech: right. For a small number of files and if performance is not an issue, you might use encfs |
| 16:01.37 | albech | jelly, they will have to steal an entire 19" 42U rack in a secure data center ;) |
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| 16:02.12 | jelly | it's unlikely the user's data is spread across all the 42 units |
| 16:02.52 | albech | jelly, they will have to get the entire SAN and the node holding the VM, which is most unlikely |
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| 16:03.12 | marchelly | hi, do we have tutorial for remote debian installation on running system on raid1 ? I can't find it. I have remote rescue gentoo system, and want to install debian on newely created raid1. Any fuick solution? |
| 16:03.14 | albech | jelly, the data is not that sensitive however |
| 16:03.39 | albech | jelly, define small.. <100k files? |
| 16:03.54 | jelly | albech: or if you want to use soemthing block-based and with better performance, use cryptsetup/luks on a small lun or even a file image |
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| 16:04.17 | jelly | albech: more like 1-10k files for small |
| 16:04.28 | somiaj | marchelly: if you have a live system booted up (gentoo) you can ssh into, you can install debian via debootstrap from teh gentoo terminal |
| 16:04.34 | albech | jelly, doh.. thats small |
| 16:04.49 | jelly | don't use encfs then, it's FUSE based and probably not stable enough |
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| 16:05.01 | somiaj | marchelly: if you have to use the installer, you will need to look into a preseed or the installer has an ssh mode but requires someone with physical access to set it up (its like 5 steps or so) |
| 16:05.04 | albech | jelly, ahh im not a fan of FUSE, really |
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| 16:05.27 | jelly | it's quite nice for encrypting a directory tho |
| 16:05.27 | marchelly | somiaj, the problem is the rescue cd do not have debootstrap and I can't emerge it from that old rescue gentoo, can I download it and run other way, then emerging? |
| 16:05.37 | socomm | marchelly: remote debian installation? |
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| 16:05.49 | theseb | what registrar is the most debian/linux/hacker friendly? namecheap? gandhi.net? godaddy? |
| 16:05.56 | somiaj | marchelly: debootstrap is just a script, so you can download the script. I think the only thing it requires is wget maybe tar |
| 16:06.05 | albech | jelly, ill do a little more research.. thx for pointing me in a direction |
| 16:06.10 | marchelly | socomm, yes, I have fresh server and rescue gentoo. |
| 16:06.12 | socomm | theseb: godaddy is 'good enough' |
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| 16:06.33 | marchelly | somiaj, okay, thanks. I can download it from github, right? |
| 16:06.35 | socomm | marchelly: get an IP KVM |
| 16:06.43 | theseb | socomm: they're kinda arrogant and supported SOPA so some don't likethem |
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| 16:07.15 | somiaj | marchelly: there are various places you can get the script. |
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| 16:07.28 | jelly | albech: growing a LUKS / cryptsetup device if you need more storage is a somewhat elaborate procedure, think LVM plus an extra layer for encryption |
| 16:07.36 | marchelly | socomm, without KVM, I already have the system booted with gentoo rescuecd, so the way I see is something like building new system in chroot and rebooting into it |
| 16:08.01 | jelly | encfs is a lot simpler to manage |
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| 16:08.24 | marchelly | but it's gentoo way, so I decided to ask you first if you have such a tutorial to install debian in existing system |
| 16:08.28 | marchelly | somiaj, thanks |
| 16:09.13 | socomm | marchelly: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
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| 16:09.30 | jelly | albech: there's also ecryptfs, which is file-based like encfs but an in-kernel solution instead of fuse; ubuntu uses that if you ask their installer to encrypt the /home and it seems to be reasonably stable |
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| 16:09.57 | marchelly | socomm, I saw this link but looks like authot is using centos or so |
| 16:10.00 | somiaj | marchelly: if you haven't used debootstrap before, note it is a very manual install. You will have to set up the kernel, raid and so forth via the cli |
| 16:10.20 | edj | Nvidia graphics. Installed the propietary driver but ran into problems, so tried to return to nouveau. Now kdm shows, but I can't login - kdm just reappears. Even though the nouveau module is loaded, Xorg.0.log shows an attempt to load the nv driver, which of course fails. I have no ideas here. Any advice appreciated. |
| 16:10.27 | socomm | marchelly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYl3jVTq2oo |
| 16:10.29 | marchelly | somiaj, I hope it's not easier than installing gentoo from livecd? |
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| 16:11.33 | somiaj | marchelly: basicly the debootstrap gives you a binary base install, from there you mount /dev and /proc inside your install and then chroot and manually configure it so it can boot. |
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| 16:12.28 | marchelly | somiaj, sounds easy and fast, okay, let me try it and I'll come back to you shortly to compare debootstrap with gentoo livecd installation ) |
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| 16:13.43 | michaelis | Hi. I cannot install steam in wine. I get the failed to load module bin/vgui2_s.dll. Any ideas? I'm running Debian 7. |
| 16:14.08 | socomm | michaelis: there is native steam port for linux now |
| 16:14.14 | marchelly | somiaj, I see deb package for debootstrap and no tarball or so, don't we have different formats only deb? |
| 16:14.43 | socomm | http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ |
| 16:14.50 | michaelis | socomm, But I have to install it in wine since I will try to install civ v afterwards. |
| 16:14.50 | socomm | michaelis: ^ |
| 16:15.24 | socomm | michaelis: there is a channeld dedicated to join /j #wine |
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| 16:15.51 | michaelis | socomm, Actually its winehq but I thought I'll give it a try here. |
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| 16:16.19 | somiaj | michaelis: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.48+deb7u1.tar.gz |
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| 16:16.31 | somiaj | michaelis: that is wheezy's debootstrap version, should be good enough |
| 16:16.35 | michaelis | somiaj, What's that? |
| 16:16.44 | somiaj | michaelis: the source package for debootstrap, so a .tar.gz format |
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| 16:18.37 | michaelis | somiaj, I'm not following you. How is debootstrap going to help me? |
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| 16:18.46 | fosstux | Hi! I have a question: on my server I have a seperate disk for system and a raid (mirroring) for the data. But somehow the hw-controller lost one of the two hdds. Is it enough to simply replace the broken hdd? |
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| 16:19.04 | fosstux | and add it to the raid in the controller config? |
| 16:19.25 | somiaj | michaelis: sorry, that was for marchelly |
| 16:19.32 | somiaj | marchelly: notice my link to michaelis (: |
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| 16:20.00 | Sevet | fosstux: it should be, and the raid will copy the data from the existing disk to the new one |
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| 16:36.17 | lpapp | jelly-home: about? |
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| 16:37.13 | nielsle | I am trying to install linux, but I keep getting killed process 3** (systemd-udevd) total-vm (5XXXXXXX kb) anon-rss:4XXXXXkB, file-rss808kB. The numbers XX goes up until the kernel fails due to being out of memory. I get the same errors om debian stable, testing, mint and fedora. What could be wrong here? |
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| 16:37.32 | lpapp | jelly-home: systemd seems to support pts, shm, etc by default |
| 16:37.48 | lpapp | jelly-home: so, do you know what to put into my fstab to bind the arch dev shm properly to the debian shm in chroot? |
| 16:37.58 | lpapp | jelly-home: arch guys keep sending me here, deb guys keep sending there. |
| 16:38.02 | lpapp | it is a nightmare. o_O |
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| 16:38.33 | nielsle | Ths morning sid was running fine, but then grub2 was uninstalled due to broken packages (perlapi), and I booted in windows. as fara s I can see from grub-term my all partitions have been chaned to mswindows. Could this somehow be related to the problem? |
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| 16:40.16 | lpapp | jelly-home: a python application needs to access the SHM properly in the chroot environment. |
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| 16:41.12 | somiaj | nielsle: partition type really isn't that big of a deal in linux, it is the file system on the partition that matters |
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| 16:41.48 | somiaj | nielsle: but sounds like sid broke things, you should boot up into a live cd, chroot into your install and fix your grub |
| 16:41.49 | lpapp | jelly-home: should I bind it to "/mnt/wheezy/run/shm" or "/mnt/wheezy/dev/shm" when doing something like this: "sudo mount --bind /dev/shm /mnt/wheezy/run/shm" |
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| 16:42.52 | rakko32 | Hello people. i need some advices or information abou how to start a linux distro. I started to share my own debian with remastersys, but my college looks interested after a few installations, and probably they give me support |
| 16:42.55 | babilen | somiaj, nielsle: Well, we have a perl transition going on and my advice would be to not install any .18 packages as of now. (apt-get upgrade should be fine) |
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| 16:43.25 | nielsle | babilen. The problem is that I cannot boot any linux installation cd's at all. |
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| 16:44.45 | babilen | nielsle: Our installation media do not use systemd |
| 16:44.52 | rakko32 | The ''distro'' contains the most common software used for developers, such eclipse, postgresql, php, and some tools to work with cisco networks, like minicomp or packet tracer |
| 16:44.56 | nielsle | I cannot install linux on the system, and I cannot boot, because all the instalation cd's fail with out of memory. I think this was caused by grub booting windows, and windows trying to fix the partitions. Now I just want to get my data back |
| 16:44.59 | rakko32 | So, anyone could help me? |
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| 16:45.21 | X-Sleepy-X | Hi! I'm trying to configure my network card eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces. I'm trying to get two IP-addresses on the same network card, 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.2.20. How can I achieve this without using the GUI? |
| 16:45.24 | lpapp | anyone, when you have a debian chroot on a debian host, what is the proper way of binding the shm to the shm inside the chroot? |
| 16:45.33 | mtn | rakko32: I think that isn't a topic for this channel |
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| 16:46.05 | somiaj | nielsle: that makes no sense, having windows on your machine or messsed up partitions should not effect booting off of a live cd or install media |
| 16:46.08 | mtn | nielsle: maybe you have bad ram? |
| 16:46.11 | nielsle | babilen: the debian cd fails with out of memory and the fedora cd dows as well. Do you have any advice to how I can debug the system and get my data back? |
| 16:46.12 | marchelly | somiaj, thanks, noted. |
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| 16:47.03 | somiaj | nielsle: sounds like bad hardware if you are getting such errors with just booting off a livecd or install cd |
| 16:47.19 | jordanm | nielsle: if you just need the data, stick the HDD in a different computer |
| 16:47.40 | nielsle | Thanks for the advice. That was my fear |
| 16:47.52 | somiaj | X-Sleepy-X: you need to set up some sort of virtuial interface (such as eth0:1) which can be configured via the interfaces file |
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| 16:48.15 | nielsle | Do I have any chance to debug this, or should I just buy a new computer ASAP? |
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| 16:48.26 | piter_sk | X-Sleepy-X: use eth0:1 |
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| 16:48.40 | somiaj | X-Sleepy-X: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
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| 16:49.22 | somiaj | nielsle: memtest86 can test for bad memory |
| 16:49.55 | somiaj | nielsle: but if the data is important take jordanm advise pull the hdd and recover the data from another linux machine |
| 16:49.55 | nielsle | somiaj: thanks will try |
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| 16:50.52 | nielsle | Its a HP laptop, so perhaps I will just use backup. Thanks for the advice. If there is nothing else I can do then I will just buy a new one. |
| 16:50.52 | lpapp | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot -> why is it missing "shm"? :O |
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| 16:51.03 | rakko32 | So what do you think that is the apropiate channel for get support in the proyect of start a debian based distro? |
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| 16:51.41 | Waxhead | Is there any known problems on wheezy installing both virtualbox and kvm ? Last time I tried (squeeze) it was sort of getting married to a goat. Nothing worked, panic and then the best thing was to go back and undo the entire thing.... :S , I figured it would be best to ask before potentially repeating the fiasco. |
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| 16:53.04 | mtn | Waxhead: worked fine for me |
| 16:53.15 | Waxhead | mtn: good to know. Then I'll risk trying ;) |
| 16:53.19 | Waxhead | mtn: thanks btw... |
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| 16:53.36 | mtn | Waxhead: can't see how they have anything to do with each other ;) |
| 16:54.16 | Waxhead | mtn: me neither but when I tried on squeeze at work I got a kernel panic. IIRC virtualbox was once flagged "tainted crap" and I have no idea if that is fixed yet ;) |
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| 16:54.45 | mtn | Waxhead: well, vbox has always worked fine for me on multiple distros |
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| 16:56.05 | Waxhead | mtn: same here but I would really like to try kvm. what I've had is some network problems (silly windows syndrome) so I am a bit "skeptical" about vbox... at least until I have tried kvm :) |
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| 17:05.48 | jouty | hi is there another way of apt-file to list file from uninstalled package ? |
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| 17:09.15 | somiaj | jouty: what do you mean, that is what apt-file does, is list/search files from any package installable via apt. |
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| 17:11.31 | jouty | somiaj: yes but i was just think if there is another way bc apt-file need to be installed so perhaps dpkg or apt-cache was doing this too but haven't found |
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| 17:12.30 | babilen | jouty: There isn't |
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| 17:13.03 | jouty | babilen: ok thx then need to install it :/ |
| 17:13.09 | somiaj | jouty: not on your machine, if you want you can use packages.debian.org and search info there from a webpage |
| 17:13.21 | somiaj | jouty: but yes if you want to do it from your system apt-file is the way to go |
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| 17:13.34 | somiaj | jouty: also note that sometimes packages.debian.org is slightly out of date (so apt-file can be more accurate) |
| 17:13.35 | jouty | somiaj: thx :) |
| 17:13.36 | babilen | jouty: I mean you could probably download Contents.gz from the mirrors and search that manually, but why bother? |
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| 17:15.34 | jouty | babilen: i come from rpm world and i m just in front of this problem bc was thinking same yum apt or dpk have this without download another binary |
| 17:16.09 | jouty | babilen: but i will go with apt-file then thx |
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| 17:19.31 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have an xfs file system that needs repair so I've booted into the Debian installer rescue mode but of course xfsprogs isn't installed. How can I install this package into the rescue environment when busybox doesn't recognize apt-get? |
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| 17:22.58 | woshty | Pegasus_RPG: Maybe use another bootable rescue disk like grml? |
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| 17:27.38 | Pegasus_RPG | woshty: I'm booting over PXE. Can I do that with grml? |
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| 17:28.42 | Kobra | hey, would anyone know why Gnome would use 2GiB of memory on boot? |
| 17:29.49 | moxie | TMPTIME=-1 BEST FEATURE |
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| 17:32.36 | Kobra | well, does anyone know? |
| 17:33.22 | mtn | Kobra: nope, it doesn't for us |
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| 17:33.47 | mtn | Kobra: have you looded to see what is running? system monitor or htop |
| 17:33.49 | Kobra | i can restart the shell, and it's instantly back to >2GiB |
| 17:34.01 | mtn | looded-looked |
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| 17:35.38 | Kobra | mtn: http://screenshot.xiatek.org/Kobra/1377711329.png |
| 17:36.18 | mtn | Kobra: need to sort it by memory :) |
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| 17:36.55 | Kobra | mtn accounts-daemon |
| 17:37.04 | Kobra | is using it |
| 17:37.43 | Kobra | http://screenshot.xiatek.org/Kobra/1377711457.png |
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| 17:39.22 | mtn | Kobra: something to look into for sure. at least you know where to start. |
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| 17:47.26 | nonconvergent | Hmm, I'm having to get a mysql server up and running for a class. Think I can get away with the version currently in Wheezy? |
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| 17:49.15 | babilen | nonconvergent: why shouldn't you? |
| 17:49.50 | Christoff522 | hey guys, why is it that I can get blueman to connect and audiosink on wheezy, but that same configuration refuses to work on testing? |
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| 17:50.30 | nonconvergent | babilen: No clue. I don't know how far these versions have drifted apart. |
| 17:51.25 | Bombo | how can i record stuff that is currently played? with arecord? i just get silence: aplay copy.wav on one term, arecord -c 2 -r 44100 -f S16_LE test.wav on the other, test.wav is silent/noisey |
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| 17:51.54 | Bombo | how can i record stuff that is currently played? with arecord? i just get silence: aplay copy.wav on one term, arecord -c 2 -r 44100 -f S16_LE test.wav on the other, test.wav is silent/noisey |
| 17:52.32 | lunchdump | nonconvergent: I doubt any class will be that bleeding-edge |
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| 17:59.12 | nonconvergent | Where's gksudo? |
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| 18:00.07 | nezZario | Hm |
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| 18:01.05 | nezZario | I had a server randomly down from 6am-9am this morning (nagios didn't wake me up).. I don't see anything weird in /var/log/{messages,debug,kern.log,syslog} with the exception of directly prior to nagios showing it out it says rsyslogd was HUP'd twice.. |
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| 18:01.30 | nezZario | Anybody think of anywhere I might find better information? |
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| 18:02.41 | jordanm | nezZario: are you running klogd? |
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| 18:04.35 | nezZario | doesn't appear so |
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| 18:09.11 | jhutchins | nezZario: "down" isn't very specific. What was off-line? Webserver? system locked up? |
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| 18:10.04 | nezZario | no ping, couldn't ssh, no externally accessible services available |
| 18:10.29 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: second babilen's question - why wouldn't the stable version be fine? Does you assignment specify a version? |
| 18:10.41 | jhutchins | ,versions mysql-server |
| 18:10.42 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.31+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.31+dfsg-1 |
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| 18:10.46 | sunbeam | how can I use rgrep "someString" * and make sure that String ends there, and not Strings etc? |
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| 18:11.31 | jhutchins | sunbeam: "string " or "string$" |
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| 18:11.53 | musca | !tell sunbeam about regex |
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| 18:12.11 | sunbeam | thanks jhutchins |
| 18:12.13 | sunbeam | and musca |
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| 18:15.50 | Hyphie | hi |
| 18:15.54 | Hyphie | I've got a question! |
| 18:16.14 | Hyphie | well, it may not be very tasteful |
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| 18:16.34 | Hyphie | but I'd like to know if there's a way to remove iceweasel without breaking gnome |
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| 18:17.24 | Hyphie | because I use the real firefox, but with every update /usr/bin/firefox links to iceweasel again and I have to replace it manually, which is kind of annoying |
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| 18:18.42 | jelly-home | Hyphie: either put firefox elsewhere and instruct gnome to look there (I don't know how, not a Gnome user), or use dpkg-divert |
| 18:20.24 | jelly-home | Hyphie: the former is a better option if at all possible; /usr/bin should be populated with packaged files only |
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| 18:20.57 | Hyphie | hmm |
| 18:21.01 | Hyphie | okay |
| 18:21.10 | somiaj | Hyphie: I would suggest installing firefor in $HOME/, putting a script to launch it in $HOME/bin/firefox and then have your path in clude $HOME/bin that way when you type firefox that binary gets run. |
| 18:21.29 | Hyphie | oh |
| 18:21.31 | Hyphie | I see |
| 18:21.48 | somiaj | by default if you put the script in /usr/local/bin it should get run instead of the one in /usr/bin |
| 18:21.54 | somiaj | if you prefer a system wide setting. |
| 18:22.08 | Hyphie | nice |
| 18:22.18 | Hyphie | this sounds like what I need |
| 18:23.31 | Hyphie | awesome! |
| 18:23.33 | Hyphie | thank you :) |
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| 18:25.00 | jello | hi, i'm having a weird problem with ssh -- i can run remote commands successfully (eg. ssh host ps -ef), but interactive commands just hang (eg. hang at shell prompt). any ideas? |
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| 18:35.26 | handuel | I'm using live builder to create a custom debian, does anyone know what packages this installs by default? |
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| 18:37.48 | Bombo | i never used pulseaudio, i got wheezy running with default pa... but when i play i don't hear anything ( mplayer -ao pulse copy.wav ) |
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| 18:40.08 | jelly-home | Bombo: install and open pavucontrol, see which sound card that audio is trying to go out to (and change it if needed) |
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| 18:43.51 | Bombo | jelly-home: ok, i see something happening |
| 18:44.06 | Bombo | jelly-home: but on output devices it says just dummy |
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| 18:45.59 | Bombo | 'hardware output devices' -> 'no hardware devices available' |
| 18:46.07 | Bombo | just one virtual dummy device |
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| 18:46.52 | Bombo | (the soundcard works btw without pulseaudio, just alsa) |
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| 18:49.00 | Bombo | (its an internal chip 'HDA Intel Realtek ALC662 rev1') |
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| 18:51.13 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 18:51.26 | cousin_luigi | How do I limit the size of logfiles? |
| 18:51.43 | cousin_luigi | (syslog, daemon.log and the likes) |
| 18:52.53 | jordanm | cousin_luigi: you can use the "size" directive in logrotate |
| 18:53.13 | jordanm | if you are only using size everywhere, you will probably want to increase the frequency that logrotate runs though |
| 18:53.33 | cousin_luigi | jordanm: can I save old logs elsewhere than /var/log? |
| 18:53.36 | ompaul | cousin_luigi: as he said /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 18:54.00 | ompaul | cousin_luigi: it's a fantastic read ;-) 10 seconds in there and you'll be hooked on doing log files for all sorts of things |
| 18:54.26 | phogg | rather /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog |
| 18:54.49 | phogg | and control log file locations via /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 18:55.17 | cousin_luigi | ompaul: I see no size directive:| Should I use bytes as unit? |
| 18:55.26 | cousin_luigi | phogg: ok |
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| 18:56.20 | phogg | cousin_luigi: man logrotate.conf, it documents size, maxsize, etc |
| 18:56.23 | cousin_luigi | phogg: can I keep current logs in /var/log and older ones elsewhere? |
| 18:56.27 | cousin_luigi | phogg: ok, thanks |
| 18:56.44 | cousin_luigi | phogg: well, nevermind I don't actually need that |
| 18:56.50 | ompaul | cousin_luigi: I found daily a better option than size |
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| 18:57.41 | phogg | depends on how fast the log fills, really |
| 18:57.51 | cousin_luigi | I'll make some tests, thanks |
| 18:58.39 | ompaul | phogg: the daily stuff allowed me to lift X time and respond to questions like who was mailed after that day to that other day by our out of office program and at what time |
| 18:59.21 | ompaul | so the user could say you got a mail from us at time X to account F informing you of something at time Z so no we didn't ignore you and refute your claim for lack of evidence |
| 18:59.26 | phogg | ompaul: if the volume is very high daily can be excessively large |
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| 19:00.07 | ompaul | phogg: that is the only justification for it but it's email meta data so it's not much |
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| 19:04.43 | cousin_luigi | I'd like to keep bind log at the bare minimum, no hostnames whatsoever being recorded: which channel should I pick to send to null? |
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| 19:11.14 | jhutchins | cousin_luigi: You don't suppose the "logging {}" section mentioned in the named.conf manpage would have any effect on that, do you? |
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| 19:13.48 | jhutchins | cousin_luigi: bind is a pretty complex system, I use this reference: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596100575.do |
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| 19:21.05 | Orbixx | Is there a way I can install Git 1.8 on Debian Wheezy? |
| 19:21.25 | Orbixx | Preferably via aptitude |
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| 19:23.07 | jhutchins | ,versions git |
| 19:23.08 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; jessie: 1:1.7.10.4-2; sid: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1; experimental: 1:1.8.4-1 |
| 19:23.24 | berarma | Orbixx: if it isn't in backport I'd say you can download it and build it yourself, it's easy and you can even install it in your home |
| 19:23.27 | jhutchins | !tell Orbixx about ssb |
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| 19:26.14 | babilen | judd: checkbackport git |
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| 19:26.22 | judd | Backporting package git in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using virtual, wheezy. |
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| 19:26.26 | babilen | should work |
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| 19:35.13 | bullgard4 | I have installed the DEB program package »ntpdate« in wheezy. How to test if it works properly? |
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| 19:36.59 | yeenoghu | bullgard4: you might want to look into ntpd as ntpdate is being removed |
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| 19:37.23 | yeenoghu | but something like ntpdate -v should do it I think |
| 19:37.28 | jelly-home | bullgard4: uhh... read its manual and use the command. See also the command in the SEE ALSO section. |
| 19:37.57 | yeenoghu | 'man ntpdate' for more options |
| 19:37.59 | ompaul | bullgard4: ntpdate -u pool.ntp.net |
| 19:38.13 | ompaul | simple silly time sync |
| 19:38.43 | ompaul | but ntpd much better - however if the box is very far off at the start of it's run then ntpdate is a nice way to force it to something close to sane |
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| 19:43.49 | cousin_luigi | jhutchins: that's the one I asked about, its subsections |
| 19:43.59 | cousin_luigi | jhutchins: I see there are multiple channels |
| 19:44.18 | cousin_luigi | Anyway I have more pressing problems now: mysqld won't start anymore |
| 19:44.30 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: '~$ LANG=C man nptdate; No manual entry for nptdate.' What is the filename of "its manual"? |
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| 19:45.25 | bullgard4 | Ah, I made a typing error. |
| 19:46.04 | babilen | bullgard4: Please read yeenoghu first comment once again and (re-)evaluate your actions. |
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| 19:47.52 | bullgard4 | yeenoghu: What do you mean by "is being"? Wheezy does provide the DEB program package ntpdate. |
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| 19:48.24 | yeenoghu | 'it will be' |
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| 19:49.21 | yeenoghu | ntpd will replace it |
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| 19:50.24 | bullgard4 | ompaul: My concern is not to pull in a hardware clock that is grossly wrong. This computer's hardware clock is failrly accurate (< 10 s per 24 h). |
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| 19:50.59 | bullgard4 | yeenoghu: At what time will it replace? |
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| 19:55.00 | yeenoghu | uncertain when the various distributions will stop shipping it, but it has been decided already a few years ago I think. It's not pressing and will likely still be available, it's just a matter of using the software that will be continued. |
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| 20:01.20 | bullgard4 | yeenoghu: I see. Thank you for explaining. |
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| 20:02.19 | jhutchins | yeenoghu: Actually, I don't believe that's true. ntpdate performs a distinct function fro ntpd, and is not deprecated or planned for obsolescence. |
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| 20:02.28 | jhutchins | s/fro/from |
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| 20:03.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins: upstream has been repeatedly making noises of its deprecation, esp. now that ntpd has -g |
| 20:03.34 | jelly-home | can't be bothered to provide a reference tho |
| 20:03.54 | jhutchins | I think this is a lot like the deprecation of nslookup. |
| 20:04.33 | jhutchins | bullgard4: You may be interested in the "apropos" command to find related manpages. |
| 20:04.33 | jelly-home | hey, it took debian a measly decade to stop using ifconfig at boot |
| 20:04.46 | yeenoghu | hehe |
| 20:05.12 | yeenoghu | jhutchins: while it might not be in practice, the ntp team says they have http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate |
| 20:05.31 | jhutchins | In the end, features seldom end up being removed from Linux |
| 20:05.41 | jhutchins | yeenoghu: There's more than one ntp. |
| 20:05.53 | cousin_luigi | gn |
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| 20:05.57 | jelly-home | there is just one ntpdate however |
| 20:06.05 | yeenoghu | which is the point |
| 20:06.18 | jhutchins | yeenoghu:...and just because one org stops supoorting it doesn't mean someone else won't continue it. |
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| 20:07.10 | yeenoghu | you said it wasn't planned for obsolescence. I provided a link saying it is. I'm not continuing this. |
| 20:07.46 | jhutchins | yeenoghu: Point taken, I still doubt it will happen in my lifetime. |
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| 20:08.03 | ompaul | takes bets but is likely to die first :) |
| 20:08.08 | yeenoghu | I agree in part, as my earlier comments reflect that it will likely still be available |
| 20:08.20 | xingu | ntpdate does pure evil to the kernel flywheel. |
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| 20:09.42 | yeenoghu | although with increased use of virtualization other options might be preferred. But this is headed for -offtopic :) |
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| 20:10.14 | ompaul | it's there already but with a slightly comedic touch |
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| 20:10.34 | yeenoghu | :> |
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| 20:11.59 | jelly-home | nah, vmware and ntpd work jus fine (at least for me, I don't care about sub-ms resolution) |
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| 20:14.42 | jhutchins | ntpdate is still very useful and superior to ntpd in cases where network connections are not continuous. |
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| 20:15.44 | jhutchins | jelly-home: There were clock problems through ~2008 on most virtalizations; I believe they're mostly resolved now. |
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| 20:17.56 | yeenoghu | jhutchins: I think the -q option of ntpd is supposed to mimic the behaviour of the ntpd |
| 20:18.00 | yeenoghu | nptdate* |
| 20:18.24 | jhutchins | yeenoghu: What that provides is the ability to make large step adjustments one time, on start-up. |
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| 20:19.30 | jhutchins | yeenoghu: I believe there are also options that will cause ntpd to run once, set the time regardless of stepsize, and exit, but it's still not how it's intended to be used, while ntpdate is. ntpdate is handy for vpn/dial-up/pppoe scripts. |
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| 20:20.58 | yeenoghu | while I can not speak for the developers intentions, they do claim that ntpd implements the functions of ntpdate. |
| 20:21.06 | seanz | Greetings. Does the debian implementation of the Sys V init-style services monitor and automatically restart processes? |
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| 20:22.01 | Mattx | Hello guys |
| 20:22.13 | Mattx | so I installed gnome, but I've a problem with the colors |
| 20:22.27 | Mattx | it looks opaque, actually the white looks blueish |
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| 20:22.41 | Mattx | but the "calibrate" button in Colors (settings) is disable |
| 20:22.43 | Mattx | any idea? |
| 20:22.47 | Mattx | disabled* |
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| 20:23.57 | bullgard4 | '~$ sudo ntpdate -v -u pool.ntp.org; 28 Aug 22:20:03 ntpdate[5282]: ntpdate 4.2.6p5@1.2349-o Sat May 12 09:54:56 UTC 2012 (1); 28 Aug 22:20:10 ntpdate[5282]: adjust time server 212.18.3.19 offset 0.001704 sec.' - Can I take this result as a confirmation that my ntpdate program works all right on my wheezy computer? |
| 20:24.01 | jelly-home | seanz: no, it doesn't |
| 20:24.05 | jhutchins | seanz: The init daemon has that capability, but it's not part of the standard SysV init process. Daemons are started (and/or stopped) during init, but are not automatically restarted (with some exceptions). |
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| 20:24.45 | seanz | jhutchins: So the default Sys V init "system" (for lack of a better term) does not have the capability to manage processes beyond starting/stopping/querying them on command? |
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| 20:24.57 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Yup. |
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| 20:25.15 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 20:25.39 | jhutchins | seanz: Like I said, the init daemon has that capability, but the process is generally considered to be the init.d scripts which do not do that. |
| 20:26.14 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Mostly the init daemon does this with the mgetty sessions. |
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| 20:26.32 | seanz | jhutchins: I guess I was under the impression that newer service managers, like upstart or systemd, added the capability of managing processes as opposed to just blindly carrying out commands. |
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| 20:26.58 | jelly-home | seanz: and sysvinit/insserv is not one of those |
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| 20:28.00 | seanz | jelly-home: So it's new to me that the Sys V init daemon even has the capability of monitoring a process and acting on changes to it. |
| 20:28.01 | jhutchins | bullgard4: I am not familiar with how the upstart system handles that function. |
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| 20:28.15 | jelly-home | seanz: it's news to me as well! |
| 20:28.45 | jhutchins | It's actually documented in the old inittab comments about mgetty iirc. |
| 20:28.49 | sithfm | where do I put the firmware is why I'm using the PXE e net boot installer do I have to put them inside of the initial ramdisk? |
| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | seanz: the entries in /etc/inittab get restarted automatically when a process dies, but I would not call that "monitoring" |
| 20:29.20 | jhutchins | That's part of the reason a) init is always running and b) mgettys restart after a session. |
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| 20:29.42 | jhutchins | Also, if you kill an mgettty instance init will respawn it. |
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| 20:30.23 | seanz | jhutchins jelly-home: So which process has to die for respawning to take place? Any? I'm trying to define this behavior in my head. |
| 20:30.24 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, it won't for instance respawn a hung session. |
| 20:31.26 | jhutchins | seanz: It's specially configured in inittab - but it's probably obsolete now. You'd have to find a system that still used inittab to configure the mgettys and look at that systems documentation (it's well covered(. |
| 20:31.27 | HellTiger | hello. is it possible to restore kind of a list of dpkg to purge applications? i test some java apps wich install huge dependency. i want to uninstall them and be sure there isnt any leftover. |
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| 20:31.44 | jelly-home | seanz: the exact one init spawned, if third column for the definition line in inittab said "respawn" |
| 20:31.55 | seanz | jhutchins: What is mgetty? |
| 20:31.57 | seanz | jelly-home: Ah. |
| 20:32.05 | seanz | So how does it know the process died? |
| 20:32.11 | jhutchins | seanz: That process responsible for consoles. |
| 20:32.23 | seanz | I heard that upstart uses inotify to react to changes. |
| 20:32.30 | jhutchins | seanz: Like I said, it's pretty well documented. |
| 20:32.47 | jelly-home | seanz: it is the parent, and uses the wait() syscall. This isn't how most services are run tho. |
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| 20:34.14 | seanz | jelly-home: Thanks for the info. |
| 20:34.39 | seanz | jhutchins: Point taken. I'll find some documentation and read up on it. |
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| 20:34.59 | jhutchins | seanz: inittab manpage has some interesting options. |
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| 20:35.06 | viktormadarasz | Hi |
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| 20:37.14 | seanz | jhutchins: Thanks. |
| 20:37.19 | seanz | jhutchins and jelly-home, thanks. |
| 20:38.29 | grn | how can I list names of installed packages matching a pattern? something like dpkg -l '*pattern*' but names only |
| 20:38.56 | Arrowmaster | grn: google aptitude search patterns |
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| 20:43.35 | iceroot_ | grn: with dpkg directly its not possible, if you want to use dpkg and not aptitude (or something like that) maybe something like this ugly script will do it dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | grep pattern |
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| 20:44.38 | dondelelcaro | grn: aptitude search '~ipattern'; for example. |
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| 20:45.08 | grn | ok, thanks! I did: dpkg -l 'pattern'|egrep '^ii'|cut -d\ -f3 |
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| 20:54.37 | hellyeah | hmm that seems really problematic http://dpaste.com/1359233/ |
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| 20:56.38 | jelly-home | hellyeah: are you mixing different debian releases? |
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| 20:57.30 | hellyeah | i guess so starting with testing continue with sid |
| 20:57.41 | hellyeah | my system is gonna break? |
| 20:57.51 | jelly-home | no, it's broken already <g> |
| 20:58.09 | nonconvergent | Frankendebian! It's alive! It's alive! It's...It's dead. |
| 20:58.27 | hellyeah | is there a way to fix that? |
| 20:58.30 | virusuy | urghh !! no !! do not mix repositories ! |
| 20:58.44 | nonconvergent | Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 20:58.52 | hellyeah | virusuy: |
| 20:59.00 | hellyeah | some package on repo is really outdated |
| 20:59.11 | jelly-home | hellyeah: sure, remove sid from the repos for the time being, run apt-get -f install, remove the leftover offending package and hope for the best |
| 20:59.24 | virusuy | hellyeah: probably, but those packages are stables |
| 20:59.26 | virusuy | ? |
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| 21:00.28 | virusuy | are in the stable repo ? |
| 21:00.53 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/1359242/ this is okey now? |
| 21:00.56 | nonconvergent | The problem is that's not just a 1:1 package to package upgrade. Some packages are split, some are merged, frameworks abandoned and adopted, and minimum version requirements are changed. And when any of this leads to confusion in apt and dpkg stuff breaks. |
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| 21:01.26 | jelly-home | hellyeah: you said you used testing. How did wheezy appear there? |
| 21:01.43 | hellyeah | wheezy is stable right |
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| 21:01.48 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 21:01.51 | hellyeah | i fogot |
| 21:02.03 | hellyeah | forgot* what is the name of testing squeezy= |
| 21:02.03 | nonconvergent | hellyeah: You really don't want to downgrade...mostly for all the same reasons. |
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| 21:02.17 | hellyeah | nonconvergent: like? |
| 21:02.24 | jelly-home | hellyeah: "jessie" is testing at present |
| 21:02.26 | nonconvergent | jessie. but you can also just say testing |
| 21:02.39 | virusuy | if you find packages with older versions, probably they're part of stable repo .. and thats ok ! basically thats why they are there |
| 21:03.10 | virusuy | older = more tested = less bugs = stable |
| 21:03.19 | virusuy | but, mix repos = death :-P |
| 21:03.23 | jelly-home | hellyeah: in general, you can't go back. Can you show the sources.list you had when the apt issues happened? |
| 21:03.25 | nonconvergent | They're two different targets but...you program? testing currently references jessie. It will not always be the case. |
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| 21:04.04 | nonconvergent | That said, it's better to target a release name than stable/testing/experimental. |
| 21:04.22 | jelly-home | virusuy: not necessarily "less bugs" but "known bugs" |
| 21:04.22 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/1359244/ |
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| 21:04.30 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 21:04.30 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 21:04.55 | jelly-home | hellyeah: oh, that was mixing stable and sid. Not a good idea. |
| 21:05.16 | hellyeah | i guess |
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| 21:05.33 | hellyeah | the only healthy solution is reinstall debian :D |
| 21:05.43 | jelly-home | hellyeah: unless someone else wants to help fixing that mess, I'd suggest a clean reinstall |
| 21:06.09 | hellyeah | and my debian is kinda slow |
| 21:06.11 | nonconvergent | called it |
| 21:06.17 | hellyeah | i guess it is about mixing repos. |
| 21:08.40 | nonconvergent | Well, in general, mixing stable and unstable is even worse than anything else you can do. If you have something you need up to date, either you 1) build it from source yourself and manage it locally 2) look for a backport 3) having looked and not seen a backport but seeing the version you want in a later release, you make your own backport compiled against your current libs...which may not always work if the new version require |
| 21:08.58 | nonconvergent | But then again, you'd have to get those newer libs anyway to build from source. |
| 21:09.14 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: my order would be 2, 3 then 1 |
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| 21:09.37 | jelly-home | (and what's wrong with kcharselect from stable?) |
| 21:09.43 | nonconvergent | jelly-home: I do 1 a lot. |
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| 21:12.17 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: might want to get that looked up |
| 21:12.43 | jelly-home | looked at* |
| 21:13.11 | nonconvergent | checks his favorite bug report for changes |
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| 21:14.06 | nonconvergent | Heh. No changes. Just the added stream of "Me too" slowly turning into "Why you no multiarch support?" |
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| 21:46.05 | gnuweb | hello |
| 21:46.16 | gnuweb | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=104075 |
| 21:46.31 | gnuweb | I'm trying to follow the solution posted here in the third post |
| 21:46.35 | gnuweb | to downgrade php to 5.3 |
| 21:46.53 | gnuweb | and after running php -v afterward its still saying 5.5-..... |
| 21:47.29 | jelly-home | gnuweb: don't do that. create and use a separate squeeze chroot if you have to. |
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| 21:48.21 | gnuweb | jelly-home thanks, how do I get started doing that |
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| 21:49.18 | jelly-home | gnuweb: hm. Well, read about debootstrap for setting up a debian installation chroot environment |
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| 21:52.49 | KjetilK | I'd like to shrink an encrypted partition, but I'm getting confused by the whole onion I have to peel through... |
| 21:53.15 | KjetilK | Following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions since I assume that's nearly the same for Debian |
| 21:53.43 | KjetilK | in my crypttab, I have |
| 21:53.47 | jelly-home | if your layers are ordered that way, yes |
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| 21:54.22 | KjetilK | jelly-home, it was done by the Wheezy installer a couple of months before it went stable |
| 21:55.12 | KjetilK | owl-home_crypt UUID=ffe1[...] none luks |
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| 21:56.18 | KjetilK | I was thinking the disk with the UUID ffe1... would be the physical partition, but there's no node /dev/disk/by-uuid/ffe1... |
| 21:56.31 | KjetilK | so, perhaps it isn't layered that way...? |
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| 21:58.01 | jelly-home | KjetilK: is there a device with that UUID in blkid output? |
| 21:58.37 | KjetilK | jelly-home, yes, /dev/mapper/owl-home |
| 21:59.14 | jelly-home | KjetilK: huh. Ok, pastebin the full output of blkid and df |
| 21:59.40 | gnuweb | jelly-home can I follow this guide - https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap - or is it that geared towards wheezy when it should be for squeeze? |
| 21:59.52 | KjetilK | hmmmm, I have that box in rescue more on a CD now... |
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| 22:00.43 | jelly-home | gnuweb: debootstrap usage did not actually change in years |
| 22:01.15 | jelly-home | gnuweb: so just give it the correct suite name |
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| 22:03.01 | gnuweb | jelly-home so for getting to php5.3 the correct suite name would be squeeze? |
| 22:03.49 | jelly-home | KjetilK: can't put the output on an usb stick and paste it over, or bring networking up? |
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| 22:04.12 | jelly-home | gnuweb: yes. |
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| 22:04.26 | gnuweb | thanks jelly0home |
| 22:04.27 | KjetilK | jelly-home, I'm currently on the command line, with no root, but I'll try :-) |
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| 22:04.56 | jelly-home | KjetilK: what kind of a rescue image is that where you get no root |
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| 22:05.08 | KjetilK | anyway, I did luksOpen on /dev/mapper/owl-home and that seems to work |
| 22:05.34 | KjetilK | jelly-home, oh, I have root user, what I meant, I have not mounted anything on / |
| 22:05.53 | KjetilK | wheezy AMD64 CD :-) |
| 22:05.53 | jelly-home | KjetilK: that sounds like you have lvm set up, and only a single LV from the "owl" VG is used for luks |
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| 22:06.14 | KjetilK | jelly-home, yeah, a bit confusing, this is... |
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| 22:07.44 | KjetilK | ok, so now I have it mounted and get to the cleartext files |
| 22:08.05 | jelly-home | KjetilK: "lvs" or "lvm lvs" or "lvdisplay" will tell you want LVs you have and which VGs they belong to. "pvs" will tell you which partitions on the physical disk are backend for those VGs |
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| 22:08.15 | KjetilK | ok |
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| 22:10.58 | jelly-home | KjetilK: the ubuntu page has layers in different order, first partition then luks then lvm; you probably have partition, then lvm, then luks inside that |
| 22:11.17 | KjetilK | jelly-home, ah, right |
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| 22:12.40 | jelly-home | so your order of shrinking will be fs, then luks, then lv, then pv, then the partition |
| 22:13.02 | KjetilK | right, I'll keep it in mind and ask if there's more confusiong |
| 22:13.20 | KjetilK | fscked it now, about to launch resize2fs |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | #lvm channel is about both lvm and cryptsetup/lu |
| 22:13.34 | jelly-home | ks |
| 22:13.42 | jelly-home | goes to bed |
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| 22:13.53 | crane | hey, can someone explain me what the value 32766 and 32767 means in ip rules? |
| 22:14.04 | crane | can i add higher vallues? |
| 22:14.08 | KjetilK | thanks, jelly-home, sleep well! |
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| 22:14.17 | jelly-home | .o/ |
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| 22:17.27 | epsilon | crane: context? these are just edge numbers in singed integer 16bit |
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| 22:18.34 | crane | epsilon, these are default values in ip rule show but i want to add more rules... so i asked myself if there is some kind of limit |
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| 22:21.43 | epsilon | you have more than 32k ip routing rules? |
| 22:22.26 | crane | i generate dynamicaly ip rules |
| 22:22.59 | crane | to have more controll about them i generate some kind of id |
| 22:23.11 | crane | but these ids can be bigger than 32767 |
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| 22:24.28 | crane | epsilon, ^ |
| 22:24.45 | jhutchins | crane: Are you asking if the rule ids can be higher? |
| 22:25.09 | crane | jhutchins, maybe... will there be any problem? |
| 22:26.09 | jhutchins | crane: I guess you'll have to try it and see. |
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| 22:26.35 | jhutchins | crane: You realize that by the time a packet reaches iptables it's already reached your kernel and is in your system. |
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| 22:49.13 | bluesceada | ok i fixed my problem just by removing the uswsusp package... |
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| 22:57.21 | bcdonadio | Although I did check on gome-power-settings for my notebook to never suspend when plugged into AC, my system is still suspending after 30 minutes of inactivity. What may be causing this? |
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| 23:10.11 | marchelly | somiaj, done. |
| 23:11.18 | marchelly | somiaj, strange that it was no howto with one two thre steps. I've made a doc in cofluence and would extend it with comments and share with community. |
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| 23:11.58 | Woet | what is going on with my network and how do I fix it? http://i.imgur.com/LbkXXWB.png |
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| 23:14.34 | shellox1 | hi, is anyone around? |
| 23:15.02 | tvm | Woet: eth0 is missing, probably not detected |
| 23:15.15 | tvm | Woet: try, ifconfig -a, is the eth0 listed ? |
| 23:15.31 | shellox1 | I have an old box which is running squeeze. I want to remove libsane hplip and gscan2pdf and install the backports versions instead, because it fixes an issue with ADF scan |
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| 23:15.36 | Woet | tvm: yes, and in mii-tool too |
| 23:15.44 | shellox1 | but I get the following output |
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| 23:15.46 | shellox1 | https://gist.github.com/shellox/bf26833507a84040d316 |
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| 23:15.50 | shellox1 | will that break gnome? |
| 23:16.34 | shellox1 | gnome-office seems to be optional right? |
| 23:16.55 | woshty | Woet: have you tried google with that error msg? |
| 23:17.04 | Woet | woshty: of course.. |
| 23:17.09 | tvm | Woet: what if you do ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 23:17.17 | Woet | tvm: it comes up in ifconfig but doesn't ping |
| 23:17.21 | Woet | incoming or outgoing |
| 23:17.48 | Woet | just rebooted it and it works fine |
| 23:17.56 | Woet | loving that stability |
| 23:18.04 | woshty | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rtnetlink+answers+file+exists |
| 23:18.06 | tvm | Woet: check your /etc/network/interfaces file, it might be broken |
| 23:18.11 | Woet | woshty: I already said I googled it |
| 23:18.17 | Woet | why are you linking me your useless site? |
| 23:19.45 | Woet | tvm: i just ran ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 after the reboot and it works fine |
| 23:19.47 | Woet | so i doubt that |
| 23:20.10 | tvm | and when exactly is this error occuring ? |
| 23:20.26 | tvm | if you put interface down and ifup it, it fails ? |
| 23:20.31 | Woet | tvm: no, it works fine now |
| 23:20.34 | Woet | it didnt work fine before the reboot |
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| 23:20.46 | tvm | can't help with this. |
| 23:20.52 | tvm | then |
| 23:21.41 | tvm | could be almost anything that went wrong during previous boot |
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| 23:23.25 | Woet | i dont know what happened |
| 23:23.31 | Woet | i just know debian is very unstable when you make networking changes |
| 23:23.49 | Woet | without rebooting that is |
| 23:25.06 | tvm | are you using dhclient ? |
| 23:25.11 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody point me where should i look for help for this error please?: php[2379] trap stack segment ip:6e815d sp:7fff1d162910 error:0 (it's on Linux version 3.2.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 as /proc/version says) |
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| 23:26.43 | tvm | Woet: http://kaustubhghanekar.blogspot.cz/2012/08/rtnetlink-answers-file-exists.html |
| 23:26.45 | tvm | Woet: this could be it |
| 23:26.54 | Woet | tvm: i don't use dhcp |
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| 23:28.22 | tvm | Woet: any relevant syslog entries before the network 'stops' working ? |
| 23:29.43 | Woet | nope |
| 23:29.49 | Woet | i was adding an ipv6 gateway |
| 23:30.01 | Woet | apparently /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated (without any reason or alternative) |
| 23:30.07 | Woet | so I used "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
| 23:30.11 | Woet | and thats when it broke |
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| 23:35.55 | james41382 | /etc/init.d/networking restart says it's deprecated because sometimes the devices don't come back on during the restart. I recall seeing that a while ago... |
| 23:36.45 | tvm | well, it's written in the script and it's deprecated, i don't see relevant bug report in debian BTS |
| 23:36.53 | tvm | so perhaps, it should be reported |
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| 23:40.48 | tvm | Woet: if you ifconfig up it, do you set the IP or is it set ? |
| 23:41.00 | tvm | err. |
| 23:41.29 | tvm | because you said that it doesn't pings, but the actual interface is active. |
| 23:41.37 | Woet | tvm: i cant check anymore |
| 23:41.41 | Woet | since it's rebooted and back up |
| 23:41.46 | Woet | but if it happens again i'll let you know |
| 23:41.50 | Woet | thanks a lot |
| 23:42.13 | tvm | oh well. |
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